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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:33:46 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Colorado tags (was proposal)
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              5 Apr 1992 19:30:00 CDT from <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:30:00 CDT 815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 said:
>Dan Lester tells of two friends in a high (9318 feet) town in
>Colorado who had vanity plates identifying where they lived.
>
>The town has more than its share of RGS GOOSE and D&RGW RR
>vanity plates on its streets I bet.
>

Yes, lots of RR tags about....but the RGS never went to this town...

though the D and RGW did, as well as THREE other railroads....now lets
see if Steve or others can name the "three little roads"

dan
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Subject: Re: Antiquity Roll Call: YO!
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From: Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.EDU>

>Well, I'll add my "YO". I've been on since October of 1990, but I really don't
>see that as qualifying me as an old-timer of the list.

I couldn't find any old, old words-l docs among my 50000 VMS blocks, but I
know I subscribed approximately at the same time as I joined statlg-l, and I
do have my initial acknowledgment from that list -- January 9, 1990.

Awhile ago, Natalie posted some quotes from the list's early days.  As I
recall, both Akio and I mentioned that we had been around at that time.  But
there *must* be others besides Natalie and Bernard who predate us ... Leonard
and Quincy, where are you?

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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

> No, Natalie, you're not doing a terrible job.  You keep causing me to rethink
> and question what I write (of course, this can only help me in the long run).

Whew!  Chris hasn't noticed yet how I manage to twist or evade when I can't
come up with a rebuttal to one of his points. :-)

Having said that, I should probably point out that if I disappear from
the battle for a long (long for me) time, it's not because I'm evading.
I've got to log off now to clear the phone line for a possible phone
call.  If it comes, I will have to hop in my car and race to Jackson
for the rest of today.  Because I have to go somewhere tonight and have
to teach three classes and do assorted other stuff tomorrow, I will no
doubt get way behind in mail.  But I'll be back at some point, ready
for more twisting, evading, and open combat...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         BGRISSOM%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      NCAA pool
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There was an Official Words-L Sweet 16 Virtual Office Pool conducted
off-list, but with only three participants.  Final standings (26 points
possible):

  Lisa Alfieri   17
  Dan Lester     15
  Brad Grissom    6  <---This guy's an easy mark; bets on sentiment

Dan is the winner, since Lisa sent in her entry after the field of
16 had been narrowed to four (though with her original picks).  When
I e-mailed her to tell her she would have won, her response was
wonderful, something like "OK, Johnny, tell Lisa what she *hasn't* won."

Maybe next year there will be more interest.  We can start with the
field of 64, make it progressive, take side bets while some teams are
still on the bubble ...

brad
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Subject:      Re: Hello???
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              07 Apr 92 20:30:26 -0500. <9204080137.AA00767@sics.se>

  Frank writes:

 >The rn program actually has two possibilities.  The basic rn program
 >uses no externally maintained database (except those maintained by
 >the usenet news server itself).  This limits its features but means
 >that it isn't dependent upon an external program.

  Isn't it the case that rn (unlike nn) is not nntp-based? I use GNUS,
which is very reliable but a bit slow (being written in Emacs Lisp).
The possibility of using nntp to read news directly from a non-local
or even overseas computer (there are a few sites that have such a
generous nntp policy) makes for interesting excursions for the usenet
fanatic.
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd
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>When we pointed this out to them, someone raised the metaphor or the WWII
>bomber crew ---buddies who stick together and exclude "outsiders".  Not a
>very good model for this or any lList.
>
>I know we all revel in being clever and smartass, but please, not to the
>deterioration of the social fabric of the list.

        IMO, every group will develop a set of in-jokes.  The test is
whether or not we are willing to let others in on it.  Were you made to
feel reasonably welcome, Stu?  You seem to be adjusting to the list!
        Up until very recently, I was on an MIT-based mailing list that
shall remain unamed (unless you ask).  The list isn't as fun as this one,
but it has a lot of people I know socially on it, so I was using it to
keep in touch.  For an April Fool's joke, some Einsteins -- who happen
to be the "core" of the list -- decided that it would be a brilliant
hack to start a bunch of flamewars and then shut the list down on the
1st.  They posted messages that intentionally pushed the buttons of
certain individuals (they tried to get me on some EFF stuff and by
insulting Nico, who is also on the list).  Anyway, this little "in-joke"
left a very bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.  Mostly because when
you don't know the people involved, and they're saying things they don't
believe (read: lying), what else have you got to go on?  Anyways, I left
the list because I felt my trust had been taken advantage of and *very*
excluded.  I've never run into either on words-l.

Rita
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:38:28 EDT
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: words-l history
              7 Apr 1992 19:01:38 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:01:38 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>I was sitting here thinking as I read the posting I sent in answer to
>the question about the history of the list that a more interesting kind
>of list history would be a cultural history -- the evolution of an
>ordinary discussion list into the unique family that this list has
>become.

It doesn't seem too long ago that we often seriously apologized for being
off topic or not WORDS related.  Most postings really did have something
to do with words, grammar, etymology, and so on.  Then we went through a
stage when pseudo apologies were popular - "just to keep this WORDS related,
what *is* the meaning of ...?"  And now we really don't pretend any more.

Why hasn't this (for the most part :-)) deteriorated to the old-style
usenet meanderings ?  I said a year or so ago that WORDS-L isn't cliquish.
It sometimes seems to be to newcomers, but we accept them awfully fast.

Tony (member since 79) H.

(Oh - sorry, that's Amex.  WORDS-L member since 90)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Turing etc

I don't see what is wrong with saying that "there is no such thing as the
Church-Turing thesis on the halting problem". In fact this is the first
time I am seeing Turing's name tacked on to Church's thesis. In any case,
there is no direct relation between Church's thesis and the halting problem.

Church's thesis says that the Turing machine is the "most complete" model
of computation. A vague statement.

The halting problem asks whether there is a way (turing machine), given a
turing machine and its input, to tell whether that turing machine halts on
that input. (The answer is: no.)


Although Godel's work has something to do with computability, what Frank
said was this :

>Turing demonstrated that any computable mathematical problem (some aren't
>...Kurt Godel proved that) could be computed by a mechanical device with a
>certain minimal set of features.

This can only mean that Godel proved that "some mathematical problems aren't
computable." Now apart from sloppy language ("computable problems") this
is false. Or perhaps, decidability can be made a special case of computability,
in which case I withdraw.

Besides, all definitions of "computability" seem to invoke a turing machine.
Also, I am not totally certain that TURING showed that "any computable ...
could be computed by a mechanical device with certain minimal features."
(i.e. any sensible way this sentence can be interpreted.)

Frank says:
>But all of his work was pen and paper theory.  He never wrote a computer
>program (at least none of significance) ...

What is a computer program ?


tushar
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Subject:      Re: sad thought

>Posted on 15 Apr 1992 at 14:20:04 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: sad thought
>
>Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:27:11 EST
>Reply-To:     English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@UGA.BITNET>
>From:         Evelyn <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
>
>Ken,
>  You're right about the individuality.  When I was a teenager, it was a
>standing joke that we all wanted to be individuals, all dressed alike.
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stores like the Gap promote that.  My god-father calls the clothes they sell
uniforms.  This year the clothes are all shades of blue - that's it relatively
few colors.
My favorite for promoting individuality through sameness is J. Crew, some of
their styles are quite different from anything you can get in the mall but
it all looks the same.  These styles usually make their way to the malls so
everyone can buy a shirt they saw in J Crew for $60.00 but they got it at the
Gap for $50.00.
>Evelyn
Head to Toe Gap,
Lisa
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      gleanings 38
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21) Thpttt (smooch!) (Rita)
First, a Bronx cheer (stick the tongue out, blow, making a moist
"thpttt" sound), then a sloppy kiss.
24) To be between opportunities (Anne Hr.)
To be out of a job.
27) Button-box (Judith)
>judith, who COULD dance to Invictus, if Laren played it on
>        his button-box
All button accordion, as distinguished from a "piano accordion"
which has piano keys for the treble notes, and buttons for the
bass notes and chords. I am not absolutely sure how one
distinguishes a button accordion from a concertina, except the
latter is smaller, and may have fewer buttons in the treble
range.
31) Spasibo (Steve K.)
"Thank you" in Russian.

love, judith, living where the cherry trees haven't even
              begun to look alive yet, but the crocuses
              are out!
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>I'm still waiting for somebody to explain HOW it is helpful to recognize
>and understand the patterns involved.  Oh, ur, uh, Adam...  Latin must not
>have introduced you to the "proper" uses of reflexive and intensive
>pronouns...  ;->
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Well, maybe for a mailman or a janitor to be able to do their job, it's not.
But they'll be unable to function in any situation that calls for a different
linguistic tact than they are accustumed to using.

For people who make their living with words or for people who need to fit in
linguistical situations that call for tactics other than those which they
learned from their native dialect, recognizing and understanding linguistical
patterns and how they can affect those around you, or how they can affect you
can be very helpful.

I can't think of a writer, even an average one, who couldn't tell you an awful
lot about the structure and patterns of the language in which they write.
That's not by coincidence.  On the other hand, someone who understood little
about his or her language would have a great deal of trouble writing or even
expressing themselves well in "foreign" situations. Considering the way people
move around these days, that can be a real handicap.

Chris
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From:         Joan Boorstein <BOORSTEIN%UMBSKY.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gleanings (38)

I said:
>14) Corva Coleman/Korva Koleman (Stu)
>    Another female PBS broadcaster (like Susan Stamberg, Nina Totenberg,
>etal discussed in recent weeks) -- I do not know the correct spelling of her
>name but would never have come up with the second choice Stu presents and I
>don't know why.  From her voice I'd say she's black (I've only heard her on
>the radio) and would have come up with the first choice Stu presents.

Now that I've seen this in print and have been sounding out the name (I've
always liked it), I realize it could also be spelled 'Corvah'.  Now
that I see this sentence, is it 'spelled' or 'spelt'?  I have no
dictionary available.  Is there one available somewhere online?
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: never impressed

Sayeth        GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU

> This always seemed sexist to me -- female needed male to 'save'
> her reputation.  Besides, "boyfriend" was asking for an assault
> conviction -- or worse.

     While I agree this is sexist, it was the norm for the time.  I
was also under the impression that the assault -conviction- required
evidence, such as witnesses who were willing and able to testify. :-).

The Ronin, who never faced even assault charges 'defending' his sister.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:44:00 EDT
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From:         "AARON DICKEY, JUPITER UNIVERSITY"
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Subject:      Re: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!!

> So what?

Because:

1) As we all know, it looks like shouting, and is bad netiquette.  I know
   wordslers don't mind, but I have to use the same mail program for everything
   I email, not just WORDS-L.

2) It's not just the mailer.  Any command I type in is interpreted by the VAX as
   being all uppercase.

--Aaron
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Subject: Re: Bernard's b-day!
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:14:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <01GIW90LKS0G002638@SUNYJCC.BITNET> BUHITELA%SUNYJCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>Tybalt, Titania, and Spanky (named for a _very_ obscure Shakespearean character)

Bottom? :-)

G
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

Replieth      Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

     First, thanks to Nancy for answering the request on two  seperate
therads.  I had already caught the answer to Tushar, but am honored
that you responded to my request as well.  On with the roast.

>                          Although for a politician to accuse *anyone* of
> flaws in character is a bit ironic.

     Especially old 'Landslide' himself.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Administrivia

> Could you check and make sure my Bitnet unsub went through.  I'm starting

Unless you're using a name other than Aaron for the Bitnet address, it
went through:

:-) grep Aaron words
AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU                Aaron Dickey

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S.  The smiley is there because that's what I changed my prompt to
a couple of weeks ago.
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Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
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  Frank says:

  >What we have agreed upon (I think) is the fact that language changes to
  >meet the changing needs of a culture that is using it.  Language change
  >is an effect of cultural change rather than a cause of it.

  I have no opinion regarding the accuracy of these statements.

  >So when you say

  >(a) It would be deplorable if the English language were to change into
  >a system of grunts.

  >what you really mean is

  >(b) It would be deplorable for English speaking cultures to change so
  >that their linguistic needs were  met by a system of grunts.

  No, for your use of the phrase "really mean" suggests or presupposes
that the statement (b) is a more exact or less objectionable formulation
than (a), and thereby suggests or presupposes the validity of your
statements quoted above. I have no doctrine concerning linguistic needs
or the relation of "culture" to "language". When I say that it would be
deplorable if the English language were to change into a system of
grunts I mean only this, that it would be deplorable if the present
English speaking culture changed in such a way that (among, necessarily,
many other changes) the English language consisted of a system of grunts.

  >I gather that you find this distinction uninteresting and don't see
  >why Natalie (and I) think it is important.

  I don't think I have sufficiently understood the distinction to answer
this question. Please check out my reply to Natalie for further comments
on this.
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Conversation Stoppers
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> ...and when I'm introduced, they askme, "So what do you do?" and I say, "I
> teach" and they say "What?" and I say, "Computer Science" and , to use the
> phraseology of Ronin: CONVERSATION STOPPETH.
>
>         Stu

The same thing used to happen to me.  It isn't so bad when I tell
people I teach Japanese, but if they ask about my research, they usually
try and get away as soon as possible.

Karen
List Angel and Japanologist
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Time Magazine
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> >> Tony (alright - "check" for the Americans) H.
> >Tony, you know how much I love you....I can tolerate check or cheque
> >but I cannot TOLERATE the first word inside the parens.  ARRRRRGH!
> Wait ! What's going on here ? What's the rule ?
> tushar

The rule is, 'all right' is two words.

Karen
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zariski

From  "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"

>Subject:      Re: Zarenski

This could be an example of a fnord.

tushar
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, still alive"
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Subject:      Re: Time Magazine
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>We have seen the end of journalistic reporting (such as remained) and the
>succession of "analysis" to the throne.

>Long live mediorcrity.

Geez...I didn't think it was THAT bad.  When I start my school magazine,
maybe I'll just do it in crayon instead of PageMaker. :)

--Aaron
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Subject:      Re: Fitting in

In article <tfilt199670@drew.edu>, Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> writes:
> well, I have edited some professional newsletters over the years.  And was
> Assistant Editor of 73 Magazine in the early 60's.   Now lets see who knows
> what 73 Mag is.....
>
> dan
>
        Ooooh!  Oooooh!  I don't!  I don't!

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