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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Johnny-Jump-Ups
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:54:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
>We used one for our first kid.  She loved it; we played rock
>music and she bounced and danced.  When we had twins 13 months
>after Sarah, I thought they would like it, too.  However, a free
>roaming toddler can easily turn an infant in a Johnny-Jump-Up
>into a pendulum.  We only tried this once.
>
>(results not serious, but scary)

Alan tried this with his baby brother Jeff when he was a bit older --
just turned two.  We showed him the warning label on the side and told
him where it said "Do not swing child in this product."  Often seeing
the written words, whether they can read them or not, has a bigger
effect on kids than hearing it from their parents.  Alan would say it
every time we put Jeff in there:  "Do not thwing thild in this pwoduct!"
And he still remembered it when we put our new baby Anna Lise in there
a couple months ago, and this is two and a half years later!

		--  maggie

PS  All three kids enjoyed being in the bouncer, but none of them ever
actually bounced.  They just liked being upright and they would stand
up and dance and spin around.

-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele)
Subject: Teaching a 13-year old to read - progress report
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:07:54 GMT

I posted a message back in June requesting information about helping a 13-
year old boy learn to read.  After a lot of helpful suggestions I decided to 
try out the course "Hooked on Phonics".  While I still have a ways to go, it 
is clear that the course is helping quite a bit.  The hardest part has been 
to get him motivated.  I friend suggested using a reward system. I give him 
$2 per half hour session which he is saving up for something big, the 
occasional junk food snack, and computer games.  The games actually help his 
reading as well since he likes D&D based games which tend to have a lot of 
reading in them - he skips a lot of it but he *has* to read some of it.  It 
has also been difficult to re-do lessons until he has them %100 percent 
correct.  I make on concentrate on the problem words but usually do not get 
him to repeat an entire lesson as they suggest should be done.

Something struck me really strange the other night.  When we were going 
through the reading book, he came across the sentence "The kite lifted into 
the air as he ran across the beach" which he pronounced "The kite fell into 
the air as he ran across the bench".  He knew almost immediately something 
was wrong because the sentence didn't make sense.  However, it took him a 
few attempts to pronouce "lifted" corrected.  Beach didn't cause a problem.
His brain obviously recognized the word, but because he didn't know exactly 
what the word was it substituted a similar word - at least that's the way it 
seemed.  Wierd.

When reading he also has a tendency to leave out or change little words like 
the, it, him, her, they, and so on.  He also forgets to pronouce the 's' at 
the end of plural words, but then goes and adds and 's' to words that are 
singular. He tends to ignore 'ed', 'ing', and 'ly' at times as well, but not 
as often.  He is improving though and I always stop him to make sure he is 
aware of his mistakes.

The whole process has been quite interesting for myself.  I've even learned 
a bit about the English language! I think it will ultimately be successful, 
but its going to take a while, and his spelling will probably always be 
poor.  Hooked on Phonics might not be for everyone, but it does have its 
good points.

___
Paul Steele, Network Services Manager              902-542-2201x660
Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul.Steele@acadiau.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: liz@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Elizabeth Zaenger)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:44:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.165951.24409@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.bnr.ca (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>
>Sometimes screaming,
>sometimes merely alot of whining, and now she'll usually go at least
>twenty minutes before she starts getting upset.  Occasionally we have
>a day where she's fine the whole way (yay!).  Thankfully, these days 
>are becoming (slowly) more frequent.
>

[I tried to respond by email, but it bounced with this message:
>  Your message was not delivered to  
>        missy@bnr.ca for the following reason:
>        Bad Address
>        Unknown local user 'missy' (Unknown 'ADMD TELECOM.CANADA' in
>        '/S=missy/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/')) 
You might want to talk to the admin at bnr.com]

We used to have problems like this with Monica on long trips.
(She hated her baby car seat, but by the time she got into an upright
car seat, she was better.)  We found a piece of egg carton foam that
was just the right size to pad her butt (she's quite skinny).  It
made an amazing difference!  You might want to try something like that--
even a folded towel might make a difference (but make sure there are
no folds in it).

Good luck!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wilsonk@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Wilson)
Subject: Diaper Wipes
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:55:39 GMT

Does anybody really wipe diapers?

Aren't these contraptions really "butt wipes"?

Keith (Thank God for disposable diapers and wipes) Wilson
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
> In article <1684E6B4C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
> >I have a friend with a 6 week old baby boy.  She called in tears last night.
> >Seems that Charles HATES to ride in the car in his carseat.  He cried all the
> >way home from the hospital ( 1 1/2 hours) when he was discharged.  He has
> >cried during almost every car ride he has taken since then (including a trip
> >from Kentucky to Flordia :^( ).
> > [stuff deleted]
> >Since the trip to Flordia (when he spent many hours snuggled in Moms lap
> 				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >because they couldn't stand the screaming), he has been more clingy and
> >wants to be held, but he doesn't scream uncontrolably anywhere but in the
> >car.
> > 
> I would like to get the opinion from misc.kid.parents out there
> on this one.  I apologize that I'm following up to this article
> w/out offering any suggestions, but seeing this post made me want
> to ask this.
> 
> I know I'm going to get tons of "*you're* not a parent so you can't
> possibly know what it's like to deal with a constantly crying baby...etc"
> responses, but here goes anyway...  When I read of/see parents who hold
> their babies in their laps (for *whatever* reason) it really gets to
> me.  There are far too many stories of children in accidents getting
> thrown right through the windshield or through the window.  Every time
> I see it I get a sickening feeling in my stomach because the parents
> should know better, and would have worse problems than constant crying
> should a car hit them.
> 
> I am honestly interested in the opinions of all you misc.kidders out
> there on this.  Am I alone in this.  My SIL took care of her twins by
> herself and had the same problem with my nephew -- constantly crying
> choking, etc.  Her solution was pulling over and going back to him
> until he was better. I'm not saying this is the best idea, but this
> is what she did in the same situation.
> 
> Flames to /dev/null. I'm just interested in serious opinions. I'm
> not interested in a fight. Thanks. :)
> ---
> Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458		    
> (My company has nothing to do with my opinions.)
> Consequences, schmonsequences...as long as I'm rich! -- Daffy Duck


Though, I know holding a child in the lap is a very dangerous thing to do.  I have
done it a time or two.  If you have every heard a child SCREAMING, you would
realize that a screaming baby could cause an accident (i.e. the driver is distracted
due to the crying, unable to hear a warning horn, ect...).

What we usually do is stop the car and get out for a few minutes and then one of us
would go and sit in the back seat with the baby (baby in car seat) and rub his thigh,
talk to him, and play with him.  

Serena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:12:32 GMT

In article <BtnBK3.IE2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin) writes:
>I read in Growing Child a few years ago that crawling stage is a very
>important developmental stage.  Crawling helps improve hands and eyes
>coordinations.  They recommended against using walkers which takes away
>the opportunity for babies to crawl.
>
>Just another point to consider.
>
>Wendy Lin

I hope they're not implying that if you use a walker your child won't crawl.
That is blatant falsehood.  You can use a walker and your child crawl normally.
Of course, you don't want to leave the child in the walker 12 hours a day--
that would be stupid.  We used the walker on our firstborn for brief periods
only--when we were eating (after his meal) or when he needed a little freedom.
Mostly on the kitchen floor as it was linoleum and not carpet.  It was great.
Unless you move the child from the crib to the walker and back again, you
don't "take away the opportunity" to crawl by using a walker.

Jennifer
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:14:12 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>When I inquired about the lack of seat belts on the school buses, the
>school board representative told me that historically when a school bus
>has been in an accident, the priority has been to get children off the
>bus quickly because of either fire or water hazards, hence the decision
>to omit seat belts.  

Ah, tat does appear to be a considerable reason.  But still....

>In NC, our school buses can't drive faster than 35
>mph, so the chance of the children being hurt in a collision is less than
>you might expect.

The minor accident here was a bus coming to a sudden stop going
downhill.  I think it may have bumped a car or something, I don't
remember.  All the children were thrown forward.  The majority of the
injuries were head and neck related.  Seat belts could have prevented
the injuries, or at least reduced them.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:04:45 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <92240.090525IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU 
(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> and, to the jerk who sent me email, i am NOT a discredit to my
> university, i am NOT confused, and, surprisingly enough, i am
> NOT leading a miserable life.  i dislike christianity and baked
> beans, and manage somehow to live quite nicely without either one.

Unfortunately, I've received exactly the same kind of email.  I have also 
received email from people who were very concerned with my spiritual well 
being who tried to convert me to xtianity (thanks for the concern, I really 
appreciate it) and I've received email from people who want me to understand 
why they've made the choice they have and have started intelligent 
discussions with me.  

My point is that the type of hateful email that both Alisa and I have 
received is something that colors our perceptions.  Being an adult, I can 
oftentimes ignore or logically refute this type of narrow minded hated.  
While this type of thing is NOT the norm, it does happen.  And this is what I 
see as the major problem with teaching children that there is really only one 
way, and all others are wrong.  I am hoping that my daughter will grow up to 
make her own decisions, listen to opposing viewpoints, and consider the 
issues carefully before making a decision to adhere to any or no religion.  
What I object to is the psychological and emotional warfare being waged 
similarly to the email that the two of us have received being applied to 
children.  It's just plain not fair.

Children have enough exposure to the evils of the world just by living.  They 
really don't need to have to deal with being badgered in the type of way that 
happened to me when I was young, and I'm sure happened to many many other non 
xtians.
From: lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Gymboree - classes
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:28:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated


I was wondering has anyone enrolled their children in a class at Gymboree?
I'm considering going with Nicholas (5months) to BabyGym.  Any comments,
insights, etc.?

Supposedly Gymboree is a franchise...it seems to be loosely tied to the
Gymboree clothing stores.  According to the brochure they have programs 
from 3 mo. to 5 yo lasting 45min per week for 10 weeks.

Anyway...we're going to a preview class next Tuesday....and session I
starts on 9/12....so your timely input will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,  Lori.

P.S.  Any opinions, comments on infant swim sessions (YMCA) would also
be appreciated.  My husband heard that if they start early enough there
are remaining reflex actions which make the experience positive.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:08:12

In article <eaa-010992102358@smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk> eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:


   On reading various responses to Justin's birth story, some people have said
   that they felt they "missed out" on the experience of giving birth by
   having C-sections or epidurals.
[stuff deleted]

   So many people say there is nothing more fulfilling than having a vaginal
   birth and pushing your baby out in to the world.  If I am lucky enough to
   have a second, I wonder if "missing out" first time round will make me
   refuse an epidural again, just so that I can experience childbirth.  I
   would hate to be in a situation where I got frightened by the pain and then
   found I was too far advanced to have any pain relief.  I'm not hugely brave
   and would not like to anticipate giving birth without knowing help is
   available if I couldn't cope.  Or is it really that important?  Isn't
   having the child in your arms afterwards fulfilling enough, however they
   made their entry into the world?  

   Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I read several responses to this from women who reported that they had
their babies delivered by C-section, or had epidurals, or whatever,
and did not feel that they "missed out".  All very well and good, but
beside the point.  We are speaking of feelings, not logic.  If you
("you" meaning the original poster- Liz- or another woman) feel that
you "missed out" by not having the birth experience you envisioned,
then it is not only not helpful, but frequently annoying, to have
someone else tell you that your feelings are wrong. 

Instead of worrying that your feelings are "wrong", a more useful
course, if you feel that you want to experience an unmedicated birth,
is to do all you can to ensure that you have one.  And here are some
strategies to try:

Pick your practioner carefully.  Choose one who shares your
philosophy.  Ask about Caesarean rates;  a Caesarean rate over 15% is
bad for a doctor who handles the full range of births (i.e. some
low-risk, some high-risk).  A Caesarean rate over 25% is bad for any
doctor, unless s/he has only incredibly high-risk patients.  

Read a lot.

Choose your birth class carefully.  Most Lamaze mothers end up having
pain relief.  Most Bradley mothers don't.  This is not because we have
easier labors, or a high pain threshold:  it's because we have learned
to deal with the pain.  I highly recommend Bradley classes (for people
in the US;  I don't think there are any Bradley classes in the UK.
Maybe there's something similar).  Any birth classes that advocates NO
INTERVENTION, period, should be shunned.

And don't worry that your feelings are "wrong"!

-- Anne

[I don't want to start a flame war here.  I recognize that some women
are satisfied with C-sections and other birth interventions.  But some
aren't.  These are valid feelings.]

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: You know you're a parent ....
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:13:33 GMT

You know you're a parent when:

- you're "doing lunch" with a business colleague (also a new parent) 
and you find yourselves comparing notes on the proper words and gestures 
to "eensy weensy spider".

- your 14 month child takes apart a piece of equipment that 
you didn't know could be taken apart! (not broken, just disassembled!) 
Maybe I can start him on putting together those shelves .. 
 .... place tab A into slot B..... :o)

Mary Beth Northrup
(mommy to Sean, 14 mo)
From: sydneyk@sequent.com (Sydney Kennedy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:55:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

First one:
My 7 year old was not enjoying the lunches prepared at his summer childcare
program.  He said "The lady who makes our lunches is a nutritionist.  I
wish she were a junk-food-ist."

Second one:
I was upset over hearing a report of bad behavior of same child.  He said,
"I'd like to think of something to do to make you feel better.  Would you
like some quality time?"
From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:58:33 GMT
Subject: Starting a Birthday Tradition
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

A while back there was a discussion regarding annual birthday
presents that could be given every year as kind of a family
tradition.  Well, birthday numero uno is later this month and
I'd like to start this kind of tradition.  Does anyone out there 
recall/have the list of possible gifts?  And does anyone have any
ideas?  

Thanks in Advance,

  Danielle (Taylor's Mom -  11.5 months, and I can't wait for
	    OUR first birthday party!!)

   dani@hpams0c.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<92225.134901CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> <BtJMFG.517@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:08:21 GMT

On 25 Aug 92 14:18:52 GMT, gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman) said:
Anne-Marie> Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu

AM> It's really hard, in my limited experience, to change someone's mind about
AM> breastfeeding. 

AM> She remained unconvinced by 
AM> (1) the fact that Daddy could give bottles and Mommy could nurse
AM> (2) nutritional considerations
AM> (3) immunological consideration
AM> (4) financial considerations
AM> (5) the example of a sister-in-law who's nursing twins

AM> What can you do?

Nothing but mind your own business.  You can't tell other adults how
to live their lives.  (You can just barely tell your own children how
to live their lives.)

Just let it go.  You've given it your best shot and now it's time to
move on.

From: anvick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Janet Anvick)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:34:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Travelling at 30 weeks?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Ask your doctor about flying.  Also some airlines will not let you on 
if you are past your 7th month (I think that is the right month).  You
may also find it uncomfortable.  It is hard to sit for long stretches.
I chose not to fly to Europe when I would have been in my 8th month.
Looking back, I would probably fly if I had the chance again.  Be sure
to talk to your doctor.

Janet Anvick, Cupertino, CA.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:42:00 GMT

In article <TIGGER.92Aug28231621@satyr.Sylvan.COM>,
tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:

>Please join us on the homeschooling mailing list and ask the questions
>there - there are people actually homeschooling their kids who have
>dealt with the issues and others who are looking into it or planning
>to when their children are old enough. The list is pretty low traffic,
>but the more people we get involved, the more information we'll get.
>
>Write to:
>
>        home-ed-request@alfalfa.com     Subscription requests

Yes, I've done so - thanks.  Still not certain if we're going to
actually do it, but if we do, I'll share our experiences.

--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:09:38 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.202607.5686@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> tran@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Tien Tran) writes:
>I overheard something interesting while shopping over the weekend.  A young
>boy was looking at some toy irons on display.
>
>Boy:  Can I get one, Daddy?
>Dad:  No!
>Boy:  Why not?  It's only a toy.
>Dad:  Yeah, but only girls iron.  Those are girls' toys.
>Boy:  Oh, really?  I didn't know that.

What an asshole.

If my daughter has any impressions about who irons and who doesn't,
it's probably that only middle-aged Israeli women iron (the housekeeper
who comes in once a week).  Sarah sees both her parents wash and dry
clothes, and clean up the house, and cook food, but it's VERY rare for
anyone but Yona to take out the ironing board.  I'd never really thought
about this before.

I guess at some point I'll have to explain that we're fortunate, and a
lot of people don't have someone to help with the chores.  Then I'll
show her that Daddy indeed can iron a shirt without burning the house
down (I think).

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Looking For Gynecologist
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:51:22 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <55790030@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths) writes:
|> Try Tanya W. Spirtos, near Stanford, in Palo Alto.  The gals in my mother's
|> group who had her raved about her.  I also had a coworker go to her, and she
|> was very pleased.  I have gone to Dr. Shefren, who is a male, but a very
|> supportive and listening person.  I think you'll find him suitable (however
|> his co-Drs. are sometimes jerks, and you run that risk if you need to see
|> someone, and you're regular Dr. is on vacation.

You should also check out Cathy Hill at Sunnyvale Medical Clinic.
She has a great personality!!  Very outgoing and bubbly.

I actually go to her husband R. Cary Hill and found him to be great!!
Also as the same clinic.

Leigh Ann
tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids