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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: Recalling in sorrow the victims of the supermarket massacre
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:03:22 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Arxid) [The pride of AT&T, Hasan B Mutlu] writes:
re: Recalling in sorrow the victims of the Azeri Genocide.

(* >Having been in this country for 10 years (and having dealt with an almost
(* >infinite number of idiotic teenagers working as supermarket cashiers,
(* >all making cute remarks about Tri*'s name) I pretty much have learned to
(*  
(* Living things have been doing just that for a long, long time, "sipa of
(* delco". It's the "sipa" thing that I envy. Now, any comment?
(*  
(*      Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
(*  
(*  'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving 
                                                                    ^^^^^^^
(*  up people with their bayonets and knives.'  A 45-year-old man who had been 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(*  shot in the back  said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(*  up on us and people were falling all around. [...] 

Yea, one comment, Arxid Effendi... I just got a wonderful idea of what to
do the next time an idiotic teenager working as a supermarket cashier
makes cute remarks about Tri*'s name. How's this:

        Tri* Family Massacres Dozens of Supermarket Cashiers

'The Tri* family just shot and shot. And they came in and started
carving up teenage supermarket cashiers with their bayonets and
knives.'  A 15-year-old who had been shot in the back said:' We were
done weighting in the chickens and turkeys... Then they opened up on
us and people were falling all around. [...]

Any comments, Arxid Effendi?

Spiros
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From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: continuation on Cyprus
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:51:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9212161947.AA20971@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>Now, explain this...
>
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>
>From my interaction with GC's in Greece and in the US, it occured to
>me that Cyprus had living standards and lifestyle far superior to 
>Greece's. They did not have to live piled up in apartments like I
>did... They did not have to pay $25,000 for a little car like we 
>did... they could study abroad much easier (England mostly). They
>were smart enough to live in boulevard STREETS without the CLOUD,
>they did not have the politics of 'yes with the king, no with the
>king, bring in the colonels, kick the colonels out, ...', 
>they had air conditioned homes, and in general, at least the people
>I met, seemed to think that they were a hell of a lot better in
>Cyprus. 
>
>Tourism, the leading income source in Cyprus, did not appear to have
>raped the place to the degree DISKOS and SOUVLAKI shops have done
>it to even the most trivial village in Greece. The people I met were
>much more adapt to being with other cultures, all spoke excellent
>English, and had a distinct Cyrpiot identity. They spoke quite good
>Greek, but we found out later on :-( that this was not REAL Cypriot,
>but in respect for other participants they spoke in terms we could
>understand (the ones we could not were quite hilarious :-)). 
>
>So, tell me, Okan, why in the world would they want Enosis? To get
>stuck with the Greek Bureaucracy, taxes, laws, etc? It's not that
>the people I met were all millionaires or anything. Most, if not all,
>were middle class people who could afford to send children abroad
>to study. Nowhere as easy to do the same for Greeks.


 Listen! Kerkura (Corfu) is within Greece and it still has better
 living than Cyprus. On the other hand, not only Kerkurans move
 in Athens but many Cypriots too. So, what's the difference on your
 grounds?

 There is only one. Kerkyra was useless to Britain and so finally
 given to Greece (186?). But Cyprus was of crucial importance to
 "Broccoli" and so her ethnic composition had to be "redrawn".

 Now. As the Turks used the British designs to take advantage in Cyprus,
 the same way the Greeks will use the British (US) interests to subvert
 the Turks.(There is NO other way).


 Gr
From: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Pronounciation of Greek names...
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:17:29 GMT
Organization: United Federation of Planets
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In-reply-to: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu's message of 9 Dec 92 21:31:56 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Dec 92 21:31:56 GMT, wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) said:

>       The languages of Western Europe absorbed many Greek words
>       and place names through Latin translations.  Remember that
>       in Latin, Cicero is pronounced "Kikero," Caesar as "Kaisar,"
>       and so forth.  When these Latinised names were transmuted
>       into English, French, and the other languages of Western
>       Europe, the spelling for the most part remained the same,
>       but the difference in pronounciation was not taken into
>       account.

The latin alphabet doesn't have either a 'k' or a 'z', that's why Greek
kappa and zeta get transcriped as 'c' in latin. The modern latin
alphabet does contain these characters, however. German transcriptions
for example follow the Greek originals much closer, as for example Circe
(latin) is spelled Kirke in German.

The funny thing is, sometimes the latin transcription is transcribed
into German and so for example Kerberos becomes Cerberus becomes
Zerberus which of course is pronounced the wrong way.
--
Lars Soltau	bang: <insert ridiculously long path>	    BIX: -- no bucks --
		smart: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org

Will kein Gott auf Erden sein, sind wir selber Gtter.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: re: cyprus and corfu
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:33:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Gregory Dandulakis writes:
 Listen! Kerkura (Corfu) is within Greece and it still has better
 living than Cyprus. On the other hand, not only Kerkurans move
 in Athens but many Cypriots too. So, what's the difference on your
 grounds?
 
We're comparing nations, not a nation and a (very small) fraction of
another nation. Some of it is mentality, i.e. in reference to the
air conditioned homes in Cyprus, even 2,000 deaths in the summer of
198? in athens did not convince athenians to buy A/C, but instead
blow it in bouzoukia and whiskey. 

Also it is economy of scale. What works in a small population doe
does not always work in a bigger one. 

Spiros
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Subject: Re: continuation on Cyprus
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:45:58 GMT

>The TRNC side has only demonstrated that it can pump up its people (i.e.
>Besime Erin) with booklets, leaflets, and 80% majorities for 20 years.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>to make sure I get to stay that way, I'd vote Denktash till his bones
>disintegrate. (I'd vote for Besime after that). And I would do nothing
                             ^^^^^^     
>
>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
>


Oh, GET OFF my back, Spiros!

You don't even know me. 

I do not like the way you discuss things nor do I like the way you see
the Cyprus problem or the angle at which you take it.

I also do not like the way you continually are on the case of Turkish people
(even when you are not provoked, you post articles in soc.culture.turkish etc.)

You have no clue what I really think of the Cyprus problem or the Greek Cypriots
who are reasonable people..

I do understand your dislike towards me because of the personal attacks I have
pursued towards you in the past and recent past.

BUT, you have asked me to quit calling you names and I did. 
Now it's your turn to quit referring to me in your articles(i.e. quit using me
as a "sample Turkish Cypriot" in a negative way ) because you really don't know 
what I really think.



Besime Erin
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: More Greek Atrocities towards Supermarket Cashiers
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:48:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Arxid, or the pride of AT&T, Hasan B-) Mutlu) writes:
(* (*      Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
(* (*  
(* >Yea, one comment, Arxid Effendi... I just got a wonderful idea of what to
(* >do the next time an idiotic teenager working as a supermarket cashier
(* >makes cute remarks about Tri*'s name. How's this:
(* >        Tri* Family Massacres Dozens of Supermarket Cashiers
(* 
(* What else is new, anyway?
(*  
(*  <<In Corfu Jews were subjected to violent attacks and almost constant
(*   persecution by its Greek population. They had to row in the galleys
(*   even when they had committed no crime. They had to provide food and
(*   lodging for soldiers on demand, were required to go to Greek law courts
(*   on the Sabbath as well as during Jewish festivals, and as elsewhere in
(*   the Byzantine empire they were compelled to act as public executioners,
(*   adding to the public wrath to which they were normally subjected. After
(*   Venice took control of the island in 1386, conditions became even worse.>>
 
See, Arxid Effendi, the problem with the Jews of Corfu was that they were
running the local supermarkets. Since Jewish names are typically shorter 
and simpler to pronounce than Greek names, this was the root cause of the
conflict. 

 "A Greek would go to buy turkey and chicken at the local Jewish-run supermarket.
 Invariably the teenage daughter of the owner, let's call her Bitchme Errrrin,
 (with four r's, like Purrrrdue) would try some idiotic comment on the
 customer's name. The customer would then get pissed and perform indescribable
 acts of violence against Bitchme. It is theorized that the idiotic
 teenagers learned of the practice, called turk-o-phonics, during summer
 visits to the motherland. [1]"

 "The conflict continued thru the centuries as the Jewish run supermarkets
 had excellent prices and food stuff, but rude teenagers in the checkout
 line. Caught in the dillema of excellent prices vs. turk-o-phonics, the
 conflict widened... [2]"

[1] [2] "The Modern Supermarket, Myths and Truths", by Ispirtoski Sipaoglu,
Purrrrdue University, West Lafayette, TRNC, 1992, pages 22 to 22.

Spiros
--
(I think I forgot something)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: question on origin of gyro?
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:05 GMT

I hope this is the right group to ask the following gyro questions: where is gyro originated? what is the exact pronounciation?  I have tried gyros from many parts
of the US, (no, not the beef gyro from Jack in the Box) they all seem to have
different tastes.  Can someone tell me what exactly it should include besides beef?


Thanks in advance,

David W.

Please email to: dwong@chopsuey.sps.mot.com


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:40:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Bz69t0.HA0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>
>>In article <Bz20Gs.3Lw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>>>bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>Very disappointed
>
>>What are you disappointed about ?
>
>>The fact that you HAVE NO CHANCE of getting North Cyprus back unless you
>>start behaving right ?!!!!
>
>
>My disappointment had to do with the impression I had about you.
>In the past you were projecting your self as willing to 
>discuss the real issues, putting aside phanatism and 
>pseudo patriotism.   

People like you have deteriorated my good-willing thinking about 
a possible improvement of the situation in Cyprus.

I tried but my tries were in vain.

Instead of sincere replies I observed ignorant and arrogant Greek/Greek
Cypriot attitudes. 

Unless there are grass roots changes in the attitudes of most(not all) Greek
Cypriots, a solution in Cyprus is impossible. 

>
>As for OUR CHANCES of getting our COUNTRY back from your loving,
>and caressing alies (you see you are not the ones who have it now), just
>have the following CYPRIOT saying in mind:
 
>
>"Ev' va girisei n pita me to meli, tjai tha tnv fate dixws meli"

I don't know Greek nor have I heard this expression before so it's 
NOT and CANNOT BE Cypriot. It's only Greek Cypriot. 

>" The pie with the honey may flip over, and then you'll have to eat it
>without honey"

I hope NOT.

>-- 
>Michalis Syrimis
>University of Illinois
>Urbana-Champaign
>

Besime Erin

P.S and a Note to Ispirtorakisi(i.e. Spiros), I LOVE using Caps.
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:18:17 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <BzCCJL.LB0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>
>>>"Ev' va girisei n pita me to meli, tjai tha tnv fate dixws meli"
>
>>I don't know Greek nor have I heard this expression before so it's 
>>NOT and CANNOT BE Cypriot. It's only Greek Cypriot. 
>
>So it is 80% CYPRIOT then.
>
Oh, come on Michalis. It's the same way that Turkish is only 80% Turkish,
in Turkey. The other 20% is Kurdish...isn't it Besime? That's interesting.
Does this means that "a'ssichtir" is only 80% Turkish too? (:-))
>
>>Besime Erin
>
>Michalis Syrimis
>
Theodore David.
------------------ give me more finals !!!!!!!!!! ----------------
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS, ENOSIS, EOKA, PALIKARIA
Summary: Cyprus will never be Greek.
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:14:44 GMT
Expires: January 1994
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BzJCJ0.Ey3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
> Yes, we know. It is so noble for the Turks to kill and rape and perform
> ethnic cleansing.  Everything that suits turkish dreams is noble.  
>
> Hypocrite !!

Liar! Turks have never attempted ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, bozo! It was
the palikaria Greek junta and its palikaria Greek Cypriot cheerleaders who 
attempted to ethnically cleanse the Turkish Cypriots and remove them 
from the map of Cyprus between 1963 and 1974. 
Just try to swallow the independent Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
fact, and get back into your cage. 

Cheers,
Okan Baysan
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:30:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Greek Coffee, Reading Turkish grounds...
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek

In soc.culture.greek, wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner) writes:

> Can anyone explain the art of fortune-telling by reading Turkish coffee
> grounds?  I enjoy my coffee metrio and would like to know more about it.
> 
> Bill
> 
> ------
> wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner)
> The Cellar BBS - (215) 539-3043

There is a monograph on the topic (in Greek) by Elias Petropoulos.
However, I don't remember other details.
The monograph has lots of figures and discusses the art of
coffee reading in Greek prisons.

K. Konstantinides
From: wfk@cellar.org (William F. Kershner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Aegina
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:00:52 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Would anyone be interested in talking about Aegina and other nearby islands?
I visited this past summer and miss it terribly.  Send e-mail!

________________________________________
William F. Kershner
wfk%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
wfk@cellar.org
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From: PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: What sort of History is this?
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:24:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I think that Vasil Babamov (vkb57@cas.org) in message <1992Dec16.
044304.23179@cas.org> distorts completely my previous reply. This
is very annoying to me for it doesn't leave much room for a mean-
ingful discussion.  In case this is a simple misunderstanding I'd
appreciate his commenting on the following points:

--> Was his source wrong or not on the claim that the second Bal-
    kan War was fought  by  the other Balkan nations  against the
    Serbs with the purpose of "liberating Macedonia"  from them?
    (i.e., te Serbs!!!)
    I maintain that this never happened and his sources are again
    wrong.

--> Was there  a reason  for editing my text in such a way making
    it seem that: Even though I complained that V.Babamov did not
    use PROPER History-Encyclopedias.  I, myself, accepted that I
    had not complied with my own rules?
    The text copied only reveals that... I (!)  acknowledged that
    I (!) did not use an encyclopedia.  Why is there only my quo-
    tation  "I accept that Ostrogorski is not an encyclopedia  in
    the sense it goes chronologically,  but again, it is a  'bit'
    more proper for history..." and not my references to the "Ox-
    ford Dictionary of Byzantium" or the "Cambridge Medieval His-
    tory" that I had actually used in the time of the discussion?
    Of course G.Ostrogorski  made  my point very clear and almost
    overwhelmed Vasil's,  but  I hate to appear misquoted. I used
    this latter source only two days ago!

I'm sorry to say that the fellow-netter edits my text to the deg-
ree  that I could not even recognize it!  I apologize for my next
sentence but for a moment I though that the  SICK NETTER  managed
to reappear despite my precautions...

Moreover, I have a suggestion here  in order  for us to  test the
appropriateness  of the  encyclopedia  "Britannica"  as a serious
tool in studying/discussing History:
1.  Try and go to the Soc.Culture.History. Recommend "Britannica"
    as a source for a discussion in History  and wait for reacti-
    ons. I bet people will enjoy the suggestion.
2.  Try this in other fields:   Go to the  newsgroup of economics
    and propose this over the proper "Palgrave". I think that pe-
    ople there too will have the chance for a great laugh!!!

<These are the to sciences I feel more comfortable and I will not
recommend things I am not very close to...>
Myself,  I would not even recommend Britannica to a single under-
grad student of mine for a project or homework. Probably not even
in a high-school...   I think  it could be perceived as a serious
instrument in an elementary class though.
                                                        A.Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: scg@bashan.cs.wisc.edu ( Scg)
Subject:  GAMIETAI H TOURKIA
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:33:46 GMT

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From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: do settlers get to vote
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:27:20 GMT

In article <Bz68E0.HzK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>If you think "getting Denktas out of the office" is welcoming change, 
>the same applies to the former EOKA men who are in good positions
>in Greek Cypriot government,community or political parties.
>[ Remember: EOKA, a blood-thirsty organization who gave "hell" to the 
> Turkish Cypriots between the years of 1963-1974]
>
	Here is another example of what I was telling you about propaganda,
Besime. EOKA acted between 1955-1959, and succesfully kicked the English out
of Cyprus. Grivas himself, declared EOKA inactive in 1959. It's a shame to 
talk like that about those who gave their life so that we can enjoy freedom
today. Just remember Evagoras Pallikarides (17 years old - hanged) or
Gregoris Auksentiou (burned alive....). 

As for Dektash, ....I only feel sorry for the Turkish-CYPRIOTS. 

>Besime Erin  

Theodore David
Washington University in St. Louis

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From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,sci.classics
Subject: Re: Pronounciation of Greek names...
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:42:55 GMT
	<BzGt8z.M2J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:14:57 GMT

In article <BzGt8z.M2J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine) writes:

   cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:

   >Just to make life complicated, in some forms of Greek writing the sigma
   >is written a bit like our c. This has been adopted by some modern
   >scholars (we call it the lunate sigma) especially by epigraphists who do
   >not want to beg questions about where words end.

   In many byzantine icons (even today icons painted with this style), 's'
   is indeed written with a 'c' (e.g. Xrictoc).  Was the use of 'c' continued
   since antiquity, or was the letter acquired back from the West?

   >Richard Wallace

The "C" is actually just a form of "S" (well, actually SIGMA).  It is
called the "lunar sigma".

(BTW, thanks to all those who pointed out the Allen books.  Made a
great Xmas present for myself.  ;)

Nichael                                                            __
ncramer@bbn.com  --                            "Be as passerby" -- IC