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From: ccb8m@beech.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

In article <1k528fINNri1@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.020209.10879@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
>: Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
>: remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
>: that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
>: on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
>: last 10-20 years....
>
>A three foot deep swimming pool of toxicity ONLY the size of a football
>field?  In 10-20 years?  That's NOTHING, you're right!  And in the HUGE
>time this will take to become harmless, or even close, we'll have FILLED
>that football field.  That would simply be a WONDROUS place to see the
>Bengals and the 49ers play, wouldn't it?  Something you want to take your
>children to see?  Not I.  By the time I have children, hopefully 20 years
>from now or more, That football field will be more than 6 feet deep.  Why
>more than 6?  Because the number of nuclear power plants are increasing,
>that's why.  As nuclear power becomes more becoming to those in power,
>the question of WHERE TO PUT IT ALL springs up yet again.  Bury it for a
>few million years?  You think that's such a good idea?  Drop it into the
>ocean in barrels, perhaps?
>
>You read your books by Rush, and remember.  Just remember.  Unlike the
>other eco-freaks in this group, this eco-freak doesn't think the
>eco-freaks are going to win.  No matter how hard we push, our capitolist
>society will push back, and we will have to sit back and watch.

No matter how hard you push, it is the nature of living organisms to
soil their environment.  This limits the population expansion and is
therfore good.  Carried to its ultimate conclusion we will make
ourselves extinct.  No one will be sitting back and "watching" one
"side" vs another.  We are all in the same pickle jar and will all be 
dead, capitalists and "eco-freaks" alike.  This is not a war...

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu

P.S.  A million years doesn't mean SHIT to Mama Earth, she has watched
      3.8 BILLION years go by and is good for another 2-5 before any
      drastic changes occur.   All that nuclear waste is good for her
      if it gets rid of US according to your argument...
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:33:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>	The first advocacy (this one) was created because pee-ceeers and
'>mac people would start flame wars in the regular newsgroups. So this group
'>was created to keep the flames here. Flaming and mudslinging belong here.

	Yeah, those PC and MAC users, always starting flame wars.  Of course,
   Amiga users would never stoop to that level.  They're so innocent.   

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>James Dusek
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:07:27 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1993Jan24.123554.6766@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
:In article <1993Jan23.153943.1@fnala.fnal.gov>, traynor@fnala.fnal.gov writes:
:> Hello,
:> 
:> Could someone provide me with ftp addresses such that I could download
:> recent and/or old Fred Fish disks?  I would very much appreciate it 
:> if replies could be directly via e-mail.  Thanks.
:
:	Well out of shear laziness I'll post.   The three I like to use are:
:
:	wuarchive.wustl.edu
:	isca02.isca.uiowa.edu
:	ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

Uh, ux1 just changes their address (a little ) and the above one will no
longer work.  The new address is:

	ftp.cso.uiuc.edu


	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:41:21 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan23.142003.2169@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>That's cause the US subsidizes gas and not water production.

Don't even try to tell a Californian that our water is not subsidized.  :)
[Although the central valley reaps the majority of the benefits by far.]

No, the US subsidizes gas and water, taxes our gas, and charges us for the
water.  Seems like you could get rid of a department or two by doing only one
or the other and not both ;)

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
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From: xmjs@nb.vse.cs
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Organization: University of Economy, Prague
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:33:36 GMT

In article <2234@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:

>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
...

>What would have happened with the Amiga if Apple, IBM or Atari had
>bought it? I often wonder about it...

I only hope this is never going to happen. (But, might be Apple guys could
make good to Amiga...)

						Marek Janous

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:49:15 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
:
: >I don't know about the average, but I can get a 486 PC, for less than the
: >price of an A4000, which will blow the A4000 away in terms of graphics.  A
: >graphics adapter with the S3 801 accelerator, for example, achieves X
: >performance close to that of the HP Snake.  Get the localbus version, and the
: >Amiga can't hold a candle to it.
:
: 	Jerry, I thought we settled this argument and declared you the
: loser!
:

You give yourself too much credit.

:
: Once again, AGA can do the following:
:
: [AGA capabilities deleted]
:

I realize that AGA has many interesting capabilities, David, but the
discussion was about pure speed.

:
: 	JERRY HAS SPOKEN. Just because *YOU* don't care about video and 
: animation does not mean that SVGA is better than AGA! And games on the Amiga
: have much more potential than those on cheesy IBM's.
:

Like it or not, an S3 coprocessor blows away the AGA when it comes to speed.
On the other hand, the AGA has capabilities which S3-based SVGAs lack.
Finally, "cheesy" is in the eye of the beholder.  When a cheap 486 machine
vastly outperforms a Sun workstation in terms of X-Windows performance, I
see nothing "cheesy" about it.
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| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no (Tommy Larsen)
Subject: Re: Humor [was Re: The volume of traffic here is quite incredible!]
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no

In article <1993Jan22.201435.12740@oracle.us.oracle.com>, dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:

|> This is the perfect group to try it on....
|> PS: Dear fools who read this for Humor content.  You're reading the wrong
|>     newsgroup.  Might I suggest rec.humor instead?
|> :)

Whatever for? This is _much_ more fun! :-D

-- 
tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no | Chairman of Short Sig's Inc.
From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: DSP on A1200 (?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:13:50 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

I have just one, but very important question....

Will the upcoming DSP-board fit in the A1200, or will there be a 
special A1200-version of the card ??

(I hope this will happend, it might stop me from buying a Falcon...)

/stefan
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Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:29:27 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <C1A1FM.Bws@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.180342.27475W@viper.edb.tih.no> jorni@edb.tih.no writes:
>>Commodore in Norway has more or less confermed the availability of
>>an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.
>>
>>The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.
>>
>>That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
>>approximately 6.5-7.
>>
>>Release (in Norway): Febr. 15th.
>>
>>This might not be too cheap in the US, but it sure caused quite a 
>>stir here in Norway!
>
>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
>Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
>not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>marketing one now.
>

Yea Marc like the American prices are ever even CLOSE to the over seas ones.  I
would bet that the price for a 4000/ec030 would be apprx 1100-1400$.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB- |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Jim
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:04:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.173328.18904@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.031744.17077@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
> > Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>
> > :    If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
> > : Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
> > : Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
> > : the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
> > : and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
> > : not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
> > : marketing one now.
> > 
> > Shut up Marc.
>
>That wasn't too constructive, but I see your point...  Question:  What's the
>difference between a 1200 with an EC030 and a detatched keyboard, and a
>4000/EC030?  Well, uh...  None!  So adding an '882 to Marc's missing computer
>would make it...  Uh...  MORE expensive than the 4000/EC030.  WOW!  And I thought
>there was hope for Marc N. Barrett...  (NOT)

   Your arguments fall to pieces when exposed to the air of reality.  There
is more to a marketing price than the actual production costs of systems.
For example, what are the cost and price difference between an A4000/040 and an
A4000/EC030?  The cost difference would not be more than $150 or so (cost of
an '040 minus the cost of an EC030), the A4000/EC030 would be about $600 less
at the market. 

   For the same reasons, an A1200 with '030 and '882 would likely be priced
significantly lower than an A4000 with EC30.  First of all, such an A1200
WOULD have lower production costs, as it would have a much smaller power
supply, no backplane, one slot (a slot comaptible with the A1200's 
underside slot, perhaps), a synchronous CPU design instead of a more
expensive asynchronous design, etc.  All of this would add up to a fairly
significant savings in production costs.  The differences would hardly be
"none".  But the machine would likely be priced much lower still for
marketing reasons: to fill the $1500 gap in the product line that I
mentioned, and for image purposes (it would not due to have an unexpandable
system and an expandable system priced too closely).

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From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Organization: Griffith University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:50:18 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>Tough call. Eggebrecht says late spring for the module and 3.1, but the
>SCSI-II card (mid-January) has yet to appear. In the meantime, Apple
>is gearing up for major product releases in February.

Erp. Seems it doesn't matter what Commodore do, they always JUST miss the boat.
AGA won't count for much if Apple brings out a swag of machines. It's
worth noting also that the Falcon and the new DSP macs (whenever IFever they
arrive) will have DSP's as stanadard. Optional DSPs on the Amiga can only
reduce their software support.


   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:47:00 GMT

In article <jprad.727780165@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>
>  Also, you can't move up several directories at once as you can do on the 
>Amiga by using "///" to go up 3 levels.

How about "CD ..\..\.." ?

Then again, when DOS users want to do a lot of filesystem navigation, they
tend to whip out their pirate copy of XTree.  :-)

>  Not bad for a game machine, eh? ;-)

No.  Pity we don't have all of Dan's favourite mega-games available for it,
hard disk installable, so we can zoom about in our /games directory to our
heart's content...

>  -jack-

-- 
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 - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:00:27 GMT

In <1993Jan27.020209.10879@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
>remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
>that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
>on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
>last 10-20 years....

But even 1% of this little mass is sufficient to kill all people in New York.

Jokes about wether New York deserves this are not intended.

Regards,
--
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:22:18 GMT

das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

><bows>

>Ahh, the admiration, the admiration... woo woo.

>And while I'm at it, just what kind of characters does AmigaDOS *not* allow in
>file and directory names?  Hmm.  Is there a way to get around to having spaces
>in file and directory names? <insert rest of sentence here>

No offense, Dan.  Have you actually used an Amiga before??

In order to read a text file, say the name is "Dan Stephenson,"

You just type:   more "Dan Stephenson"

Haven't you tried that on an Amiga yet??

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

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From: "Erik S. Kolar" <ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: WB3.0 - Why so slow.....
Keywords: A1200
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:48:53 -0500

Can anybody provide some benchmarks or other comparable information for the
difference in graphics speed between the A1200 and A4000?  I'd like to upgrade
from my 500, and I'm wondering if I should go for the A1200, 4000, or just
add an accelerator and wait for the next machine from C=.  I'm mainly hungry
for speed and the new graphics modes would be a nice plus.


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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams speaks
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:59:50 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan23.014522.9340@news.unomaha.edu> marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold) writes:
>I just realized the significance of Bill Clinton becoming the 42nd
>President of the United States.
>
>42...
>forty-two...
>FORTY-TWO!?!?
>Ohmigosh, do you know what this means?

Hmm, incidentally, I just recently had that birthday. But I'm sure you
mean something different. What was it? 5*7? Or was it 6*9???

-- 
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:29:28 GMT

In article <torrie.728090456@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>
>>In article <C1FGos.4uo@unccsun.uncc.edu> msmcknig@unccsun.uncc.edu
>>(Michael S McKnight) writes:
>
>>With an entry-level system like the A1200, every item is scrutinized in terms
>>of consumer pricing and manufacturing costs, so using a EC020 chip is a
>>reasonable compromise. As for the A4000, the only currently available model
>>makes use of a full 68040, despite any misconceptions to the contrary.
>>The decision to market an EC030 version is likely a measure to satisfy those
>>that are midway between the A1200 and A4000 in their product demands. An
>>additional 68030 version is slated to follow.
>
>  And cynics would say that this was an example of Commodore "crippling"
>their machines, and how horrible the world was where "marketing means
>more than architecture and design".
>
>  Or would they?

They might, but they would be wrong.  Crippling a machine in the sense that
the low-end Macs are crippled would mean using the CPU in a less than
optimal fashion.  The A1200 would have been crippled had the data bus been
limited to only 16 bits, as in the Mac Classic II, LC II, etc.  True, it
only uses 24 bits for addressing, but then again the EC020 only provides
24 bits, not 32.

Similarly, if the A4000/EC030 (or whatever its designation is to be) were
shipped with a 25MHz EC030 and a 12.5MHz motherboard, it would be crippled.
Apple pulls this little stunt with their high-end Performa model and in
the IIvx (I believe I have the names right, but I'm not positive).  

Does that clear things up a bit?

>Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
>Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
>"...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
> and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte (RISC Amiga?)
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:52:33 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan21.200542.4208@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>> 
>>   Quotes from various people in the PowerPC project; the latest Byte
>> reports a possible price of $50 for the 601.  Personally, I think it'll
>> be more like $1000.
>
>Yes, I bought the lastest Byte a couple days ago 

Grrr, I feel p*ssed at by that magazine. Not only that they don't give
the Amiga enough appearance, no, they obviously also use rowing boats
to ship their stuff to Europe! We still don't have the January issue
here, and you are already talking about the Feb issue!!! Plainly
obvious that they are even more stupid than I always thought.
(And this current case is no exception, this is the situation all time
long during the last years.)

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