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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:16:44 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rush

>From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>

>In January 1989, President Bush inherited an economy that was growing at
>around 3.8 percent annually.  Through June 1991, the average annual growth
>rate since 1990 was less than .03 percent.
>
>And now we need Clinton and a Democratic House???

Huh?
Bush's presidency saw a tiny growth rate, and Sue concludes that
it would be a good idea to give him another one???

Real Growth Figures for recent Republican Administrations:

81-4     10.1%
85-8     14.1%
89-92    4.1%

Those are the figures for total real growth over the 4-year periods.

Compare growth under Democratic Administrations recently:

61-4     20.4%
65-8     19.4%
77-80    11.5%

>In case you are interested, in the New York Times OP-ED Wednesday, Sept.
>23, 1992 edition, page A19, there is a very interesting article entitled,
>'Yes, 128 Clinton Fees and Taxes. Count Them.'  In the NYT, no less.

Derrick pointed out the dishonesty in the content of that article
(which was not strictly speaking an "editorial," it was an op ed
piece). The author was indeed a Bush campaign staffer, namely,
Fred Malek. Malek is quite a frightening character. He was thrown
off Bush's staff in '88 after questions about his history of
virulent anti-semitism in his role in the Nixon administration
were raised. Apparently, once the dust cleared, Bush was happy
to have him back.

Jamie
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Subject: Re: Bill Clinton at Drew University
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:48:23 GMT
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>    Someone said that the cosponsper of the tax plan set out by Sam
> Nunn was Dennis Deconcini.  Jamie said the other guy was a Republican.
> Dennis is a Democrat, so someone's wrong here.  A sizable post that
> examines the plan in some detail would be helpful.

That someone was me, and I wasn't wrong.  I said Dominici (sp?),
that is Pete Dominici, Senator from New Mexico, I believe.

--KAT
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:17:00 EST
From:         YONI@BROWNCOG.BITNET
Subject:      Smoking

I am doing a little research on smoking in the U.S. Here are a couple of
questions I need answers to:
1) How long have the dangers of smoking been known?
2)When were specific mandates instituted in this country?
3)Have other countries responded more harshly?
or differently?
4)Has the incidence of smoking remained the same or declined since legal
warnings began appearing?
5)What is the argument of the tobacco industry in refutation of "common wisdom"
concerning smoking?


Thanks In Advance
Lance
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:05:00 EST linda said:
>>I do know the 2nd party was a GOP member and was from New Mexico.
>
>
>that's pete domenici, republican from new mexico

Bingo!  Throw that lady a man from the balcony.

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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Subject: VETO POWER - NOW AND IN NOVEMBER
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:53:21 GMT
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King George I, who followed our first royalty, king Ronald the Sleepy
onto the white house throne has suffered his first defeat at the hands
of the evil LIBERAL congress. I think that the big veto is coming in
about a month from a different source. The only thing I can't figure
out is did I win or lose by the cable bill being passed? I'm afraid that
the answer is "either way you lose". Was the veto driven by political
power or do the reps see cable as something that the people back home
will remember? It would be interesting to see what pac's are spreading
cable money in which directions.

Coming soon to a theatre near you - CAMELOT (SP?) II

fred
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:00:38 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Perot--in, out, what?

Chirs:

Yeah, I lost my line at the end of the post, but it got sent anyway.

BTW, I think the average margin of error in polls at this point is
plus or minus 50 or so.  Just a guess.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:07:26 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Murphy Brown

>> Yawn.  The Quayle speech is available.  It either supports Quayle's
>> position or it doesn't.  KAT isn't interested in looking at it to find
>> out what it says.  Yet KAT claims that he wants to discuss the speech.
>> Maybe someone cares what underlies that contradiction.
>
>Yawn?  I am not surprised.  It must be depressing not to be able
>to back one's claim.

Huh?  I've offered to post or mail the speech in question.  KAT isn't
interested in it, which pretty much proves my position that KAT isn't
interested in the speech.

>                       And you, you who would not forgive even the
>most insignificant and innocent mistakes, I open my guards for you,
>list my charges one by one, and ask you to back up your assertion
>that I am wrong, and you are bored?  Give me a break!  At least have
>the honesty of admitting that *you* were wrong.

If KAT wants correction, he can pay for it.

I've shown that KAT isn't interested in discussing the speech.  Maybe
he will be some day.  If I claim then that he isn't interested, then
I'll be wrong about that.

-andy
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:25:22 -0400
From:         "(Jill Norman Bialecki,
              CSU Information Systems)" <NORMAN@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "On American Intervention into ...," (#776)
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from          Stustith@eku    John Stith:

[stuff deleted]

>perhaps a more peaceful method.. but are there really! All the truly
>great empires of the world have been dominant in various
>areas including military and economic! There is only so much consumption

Define "great".

>available in the United States. Also.. many of the advances of technology
>came from the military.. or from something that is designed for them!

Yes, many have come from military projects... and also from space programs.

>Do you honestly think these lovely little things we read on weren't
>being used by the military in some form 40 years ago! It hadn't advanced
>far.. but it existed! This new form of Imperialism or Mercantilism is merely

Yes, but just because military projects spawn technological advances, doesn't
mean that military projects are necessary for technoligical advances.  Isn't
that a fallacy??  I don't know... it's been a while since I studied Logic.
Besides, do you think that noone even thought of computers until someone
started thinking militarily??  I doubt it.  No doubt there were scientists at
universities who were dreaming up these things, who hooked up with the military
to make it a reality.  The military had $$$$$$$ to fund research.

Money is the key.  Technoligical research requires money.  If our spending
priorities are with the military, then it follows that most of our
technological advances will be military related.

Jill Norman Bialecki
norman@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:53:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Debates! Debates!

Info on Stockdale from NYT to follow.  For one thing he teaches college
courses on the Greek Stoics (I am only familiar with the Roman Stoics
such as Marcus Aurelius and Cicero so what can I say), but anybody who likes
the Stoic philosophers can't be all bad.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:07:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject: Msg from Perot list on 800 number. Chris Morrison.

From:   BITNET%"PEROT@MARIST.BITNET"      "Discussion of campaigning for Preside
nt by H. Ross Perot" 30-SEP-1992 11:43:19.05
To:     Christopher Hobe Morrison <CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET>
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              <PEROT@MARIST.BITNET>
              <PEROT@MARIST.BITNET>
From:         Beverly Vander Kooy <ULDBEV@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      800 number
To:           Christopher Hobe Morrison <CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET>

I watched Perot on Larry King live when the phone number was given out,
and I clearly got the message that the 800 number is for those who SUPPORT
his campaign for President.

If you want Perot to re-enter the race call the 800 number.  You will
get a recorded message saying that your support is important to UNITED WE
STAND, AMERICA and that your phone call will be counted as a call of support.

If you do not wish Perot to re-enter the race -- DO NOT CALL THE NUMBER.
If you want to voice something other than support for Perot's re-entry into
the Presidential race, you should probably telephone the UNITED WE STAND,
AMERICA headquarters in your area of the country, or the headquarters in
Dallas.

The sense I got from the Larry King show is that Perot is waiting to hear
from supporters and particularly from the volunteers who were in Dallas to
hear the pitch from the Dems and Reps.

At the present time everyone is speculating what Ross Perot will do; will he
enter the race?  will he back another candidate? (and wasn't he a Republican
plant all along) etc., etc.  I would hope that he re-enters the race and gives
it all he has.  I will be most disappointed if he throws his support (and
therefore tries to throw the support of the United We Stand... participants)
behind another candidate.  I would hope that he will not endorse another
candidate should he decline to re-enter the race.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:39:00 EDT
From:         i'm voting for harry truman <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: perot
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From: "Corinne R. Hillard" <32GVSR2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
>Perot is actually doing a very clever thing he is attempting to avoid the pain
>and expense of running for president. Very frugal. He may say he hates governme
>nt but he loves government contracts.

Of course, Perot could have been even *more* frugal and simply not run at all.
Perhaps he's not really all that clever.  That, or maybe he clipped a "buy
one presidency, get one presidency free" coupon somewhere.

Gary W. Olson, Central Michigan
  University, class of '91   "The federal government is basically one enormous,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU  ongoing Meeting From Hell." - Dave Barry
35 days and counting down...
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:02:17 -0400
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Perot--in, out, what?

The question really isn't "in or out" with Perot, it's "how in" will
he be?  I have to agree with my governor that, since Perot's name
appears on all the states' ballots, he is a candidate for President.
Now the question is how active a candidate will he be?

How great was it to see Larry King ask those tough questions last night?
I mean to get in there and not be satisfied with nonresponsive or
fluff answers--he really held Ross's feet to the fire, huh?  That's
a rare quality for an interviewer.  He's probably going to need to
beat the Pullitzer people off with a baseball bat after last
night's performance.

Ross Perot will "re-enter" the race on Thursday, with his announcement
timed to make the Friday morning papers (and probably miss the Thursday
network newscasts).

Incidentally, if you're interested in state by state polls, the Marist
Institute for Public Opinion (they're right up the road, so I'm giving
them a plug) has a poll out that reports that an active Perot candidacy
will have no impact on the results in New York.  For whatever that's worth.

...Rick
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:13:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Playing Poker

        Is anybody on this list old enough to remember Vietnam?  Johnson and
Nixon always had a picture of some adorable little kid that sent them an
equally adorable letter telling him to do exactly what he wanted to do.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet

Don't let's panic unless it's absolutely necessary     :+)
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:14:00 EST
From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Thomas Jefferson and Arizona

>From: "(Roger)" <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>

>HEY....stop those swipes at the Grand Canyon State.  The state that gave you
>Gov. Evan Mecham, Charles Keating, and now Republican Congressional candidate
>Doug Wead

Lets remember Barry Goldwater, arguably the single most principled Presidential
candidate of the 20th Century.

>Yes friends, come visit the progressive state of Arizona where it is still
>legal to pack a pistol on your thigh, spit on the sidewalks, and go to
>a cock fight.

What's wrong with any of this?

Jason
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:55:18 -0400
From:         Andrew Allen <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "No Cost" Family Leave Bill

Well, I had to set nomail for a while because I can't keep up with the
volume that the list is generating lately, but I lurk now and then...

It's good to see that some things are constants, such as andy jumping to
defend those poor, embattled corporations that work so hard to provide
(add fanfare here...) jobs. (Of course they are entirely altruistic they
only make profits so that they can create more jobs, for us here at home.)

>The companies in question don't think that Peter's proposals are profitable
>for them.   Peter insists that the proposals are profitable for society,
>so why shouldn't society pay for the benefits it receives?

>Oh, I get it.  It's a free lunch whenever "society" can shift costs.

What andy never seems to mention is that the private sector has been given
enormous "incentives" (read tax breaks) to provide social benefits (more
jobs) since Reagan took office in the 80's and have not delivered them.

I suppose that it is Congress' fault though; they should know better.

When you or I (average joes) get a tax credit (incentive), it is tied
to something specific, there is a proof or test required. The Reagan/
Bush plans to "stimulate jobs" by stimulating the private sector had
no such built-in requirements. The portion of the tax burden paid
by corporations has dropped drastically since the early 80's and
has been picked up by (guess who?) individuals.

So while we're discussing "free lunches" lets not forget who is the
largest consumer of those free pork sandwiches...

>-andy

-other Andy

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:11:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Virtual elections

        Gee, with your statement on rights you might better try for
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

                                        Chris.
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Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 21:23:45 EDT
From: Corinne R. Hillard <32GVSR2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Dave's dilemma

Only in your dreams,Dave.  If Bush loses than the real nightmare begins.  I can
 live without the double digit inflation and the 20+% interest rates at the ban
k.  The only solutions Clinton offers is more government....If Jefferson were a
live today he would be a Republican.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 22:39:09 EDT
From: Corinne R. Hillard <32GVSR2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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Subject: Re: perot

Perot is actually doing a very clever thing he is attempting to avoid the pain
and expense of running for president. Very frugal. He may say he hates governme
nt but he loves government contracts.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:42:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: HR 1674

> On the other hand, the only guy I knew who had this happen
>to him was someone who used to be a supervisor for the security company
>I worked for, and he was a nut.  He had his car all fixed up like an unmarked
>police car, and he used to try to pull people over for speeding.  He was later
>arrested for flashing the boys at the local high school.

there was an incident near where i live where a man in a blue uniform and a
car with one of those portable bubble things stopped a woman on  Rt.202 in the
middle of the afternoon. he told her to get out of the car, raped her, then
left. he's tried but been unsuccessful in attempts since then.
this happened about 3-4 wks ago.

the news story said that when we are stopped by the police, we have the right
to request they call for backup before we give them our license or get out of
car, whatever.

>        As far as the government is concerned.  The NSA has always been
>active in trying to restrict the types of encryption devices and programs
>available for voice and for data.  And I think that it is the FBI that
>is trying to ensure that cellular phones will always contain information
>that will help them track people from cell to cell.  Of course if this
>material is installed, it will be impossible for anyone else to track calls
>from cell to cell, right?

spectre of big brother.
the govt. should be the one restricted, not the people.

-linda

>                                        Chris Morrison
>                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:56:00 EDT
From:         i'm voting for harry truman <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FREE-ENERGY technologies
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You know, Rob McElwaine has made me realize that until now, there has been
a void on the politics list.  The void used to be filled by Mitch.  Now
we have Rob.

From: "NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine'" <MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET>
Subject: FREE-ENERGY Technologies
>               For decades, the various energy companie$ have been
>          COLLUDING with each other, [and probably also with the
>          national and international banker$, governments, news media,
>          "scientific" establishment, and "education" systems], to

Don't forget the Phone Company, the Rhodes Scholars, Hollywood, the
Knights Templar, the College Republicans, the Federal Reserve System,
the Queen of England, and the Hair Club for Men.

>                                   Robert E. McElwaine

Say hello to Lyndon for me, Rob. :)

Gary W. Olson                "The federal government is basically one enormous,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU  ongoing Meeting From Hell." - Dave Barry
37 days and counting down...
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:40:21 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      republican platform
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Hi, y'all.
Our library just received its copy of the Republican Party Platform (so
those of you who want copies can probably get them from your local
committees).  I glanced through it briefly (it's long, but also double
spaced with lots of extra spaces, so it looks longer than it really is).
The first thing I noticed was another contradiction.  In one place, the
document states that the Republican Party believes that bigotry and
prejudice have no place in our country; in another, it states that the
party will fight any law seeking to legalize same-sex marriages.

The second thing that caught my eye was something new to me, and I'm hoping
some of y'all might be able to expand/clarify.  I forget what section it
was in, but there was a sentence stating that the party wants to see less
government ownership and control of land, especially in the western states.
Does that mean selling off national forests, parks, and wilderness areas?
Or just no more acquisition?  Or both?

Thanks!
Kerry
p.s.: a third thing . . . in one of the sections on families, the platform
calls for the State legislatures to come up with ways to increase marital
stability.  You don't suppose they've been listening to Travis, do you?
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Subject:      Z*.FNT

Hi,

        DCF is referencing  "Univers"  and calling for Zxxxxx fonts.
I thought Univers was the  UNxxxx fonts.   Is Zxxxxx the same thing?

        So today I downloaded over a hundred Zxxxxx fonts.

Rick Troth <troth@ricevm1.rice.edu>, Rice University, I/S VM Systems Support
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Subject:      recycle list

subscribe recycle - Rex Owens
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Hi,

        I need to put the Century Schoolbook fonts into the DCF
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