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From: Richard Thomas - STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Re : Lifespan
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:14:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

The subject of Garion willing himself dead when C'nedra dies raises a few quest
ions. He wont necessarily do this as Belgarath didnt when he thought that Poled
ra had died did he. Questions - If the gods allowed the marriage of Durnik and
Pol by allowing Durnik to become a sorceror its possible that the same thing ha
s happened to C'nedra although she hasn't realised it yet ( remember the marria
ge between a sorceror and someone else must be a marriage of equals. Althoug C'
nedra is more than equal than Garion in most things it is in sorcery that the s
tipulation seems to apply most. It is altogether possible that things are not y
et over. If Eddings has tried to develop a philosophical approach to the genre
so the maxim that evil cannot be completely extinguished may yet come into play
 with a return to Garion et al, so perhaps a development of C'nedras sorcerous
ability could be done.
          Thoughts as usual to
                  stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090   (JANET)
                  stucs204@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk   (INTERNET)

                   Richard Thomas
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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: Who can hold the orb
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:43:59 GMT

Michael Lamanna (lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:

: 	Holding is simply that.  If I have a glass of water then I am 
: simply holding it.  On the other hand if I am drinking a glass of water
: then I am weilding it.

no, drinking a glass of water is just a more complicated means of holding it.
now, if you were flinging the water in the glass at somebody, that would be
weilding it.  (or, for you pacifists out there, if you were watering plants 
with it..)

(:  (:  just a minor point.

karen
--
     kewasiel@cs.amherst.edu	_|_    "the philosophers have only interpreted
   kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu	 |      the world, in various ways; the point,
kewasielewsk@amh.amherst.edu	 |      however, is to change it."    -k. marx
From: bmargoli@dante.nmsu.edu (MARGOLIS)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Who can use the orb and how did it get on Brand's shield?
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:56:47 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Why does everyone insist that Belgarath and Polgara are members
of the Rivan line?  The orb is usable by the descendants of Riva.
This doesn't apply to inlaws.  Using the same line of reasoning 
that allows Belgarath and Polgara to use the orb, we could say that
Adara is capable of using the orb, because she's Garion's cousin.
In fact, anyone related to anybody who's married into the Rivan
line should be able to use the orb.  After a thousand years or so,
I suppose that half of Aloria will be capable of wielding the orb
if they chose to do so.  Riva was pure, so the orb allowed him to
touch it.  In fact, the bond between Riva and the orb grew so strong
that the orb developed a fondness for all of his descendants.  This
doesn't mean that Riva's wife and her family have the same privileges. 
But then, I'm repeating myself.  The point is that only Garion, his 
children, Eriond, or anyone who has no evil intentions in their soul 
can touch the orb.  As for how the orb got on the shield, I believe in
the theory that it was translocated.  I believe that someone posted
something to that effect a while back.

Bernie 
bmargoli@nmsu.edu
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Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli(like i care???)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:33:33 GMT
 <detchay.2.721352661@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> 
 <9231601.20176@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1992Nov16.130208.13289@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> <1992Nov16.200113.7353@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
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> 
> If you are going to start flaming people like that, set your distribution to
> something other than world. Thank you.
> 
> Book 2 of the Tamuli is called 'The Shining Ones' and Book 3 is 
> 'The Hidden City', but neither are out yet in the UK, where 'Domes of Fire'
> has been out since at least August (since that was when I saw it in a book 
> shop), but I would expect any more for at least 6 months (Give the man a chance
> to write the books!)
> 
another idiot.  Its as if the system is full of you little gnats who get on
their soapboxes and rant on and on and on.  Really, how interesting is your
pathetic little life if you spend all the time reading this puerile service.
Like your Candadian friend, get a life etc, etc, etc.
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From: p9b3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Dan Fleet)
Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli(chris, chris, chris...)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:59:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.130208.13289@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
[A question that appeared to be about the Tamuli that caused this whole thing
 deleted]

>No, he means the other book, by Feirst, you idiot.  sometimes Chris, I real
>do think you are more stupid than that girl you go out with.  I suspect the
>rest of the world is reading on with interest.  Well mail Chris, he's always
>got an opinion.  Just like me.

 Gee...looked to me that he wanted to know what the Tamuli was.  I never saw
a mention of Fiest ANYWHERE in the messages.  I don't know where you get off   
calling people idiots for asking about works by David Eddings in the
alt.fan.eddings newsgroup.  It seems that a few other posters seemed to think
that he was talking about the Tamuli as well...not wrongly, seeing as how
Fiest wasn't mentioned in the post, and the Tamuli was....

Read the messages you are flaming, before you actually flame away.
Might keep you from looking like the idiot you think everyone else is.
( :-)  Smiley included for the humor impaired :-) ;-)
----
Dan Fleet is p9b3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada 
And now back to your regularily scheduled newsfeed...

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From: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows on over.cl.cam.ac.uk)
Subject: Flaming La Trobe (was Re: Book Two of The Tamuli)
Followup-To: talk.bizarre, alt.fan.monty.python, comp.amiga.advocacy
Keywords: arsehole, flame, latrine
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:51:33 GMT

HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU Writes:
>another idiot.  Its as if the system is full of you little gnats who get on
>their soapboxes and rant on and on and on.  Really, how interesting is your
>pathetic little life if you spend all the time reading this puerile service.
>

For a rant, see yourself. You seem to be little more than an arsehole, with
either air or horse-shit for brains. Get a life down there, as I couldn't care
less for your rants.

Next time you spew such shit, I might start to _really_ flame you.

Due to mailing problems at the moment, send your flames to the same i.d. at
cus.cam.ac.uk  I'm wearing my flame-proof underpants.

Donal.
--
"Everything that is not nailed down is mine.
 Everything that I can pry loose is not nailed down."
    - Collis P. Huntingdon
From: rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie (Robert Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:41:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organisation: Amalgamated Durables

I don't have the books here with me, but I seem to remember the
picture on the front of Pawn of Prophecy was Garion, Belgarath and
Polgara standing on a rocky ledge, with Garion holding the sword
above his head. I'm sure the orb was visible on the sword then,
and it didn't appear to be much bigger that a clenched fist (about
heart sized, then?). Maybe this wasn't THE sword at all (after all,
we know little about Garion's heritage in this book), but I can't
check it out at the series is currently sitting about 100 miles
away from where I am... Oh! College life!
-- 
rjwalsh@maths.tcd.ie          \ Drain you of your sanity
Robert Walsh                   \ Face the thing that should not be
Student Computer Research Group \ 
Trinity College, Dublin.         \             - Metallica
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From: STUCS205@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Who can use the orb
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:19:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

 On the subject of who can use the Orb, as many people are now pointing out it
is only those people who are pure Rivans but also it is only possible for the c
hild with the #birthmark# who is  able to hold and use the orb. Also all the Go
ds are able to hold it as they were instrumental in it existing.

       From stucs205@uk.ac.bham
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


	Yup. It's in the introduction to one of the books in the Belgariad--
think it's "Pawn of Prophecy". Also, someone said that Brand carried the
Orb into battle. He didn't actually touch it. It was, presumably, on his
shield when the shield was given to him, and all he had to do was uncover
it. Just my deux centimes.
					Rosaleen Dhu
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From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Lifespan
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:32:46 GMT

In article <memo.764950@cix.compulink.co.uk> shemminga@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>In-Reply-To: <910848v.1.722279749@ace.acadiau.ca> 910848v@ace.acadiau.ca (VIJAY VENUGOPAL)
>
>In article <910848v.1.722279749@ace.acadiau.ca> VIJAY VENUGOPAL asks:
>
>> 1.  Since Belgarion is a sorceror he is `immortal' so what then of his son.
>> Is he heir to a throne that he will never have?
>
>Although C'nedra is dryad an therefore long-lived she will eventually die
>(sad but true). At that point I imagine that Garion would will himself
>out of existance. I mean, the bond between those two who would have
>lived together for *so* long would be too great to allow either one to
>live happily for long without the other. (She may be a PITA but he does love
>her)
>
>FWIW, I also believe this would be the case for Beldin and Vella.
>

I'm glad someone brought Vella up. She isn't a sorceress, so I assumed
that Beldin changed her form. But she should have a normal lifespan,
no? So he would be lonely again. Unless  1) purple hawks live a long
time, like the wolves of that world, or 2) Vella had some latent ability,
which a powerful sorceror like Beldin could bring out. I thought that
scene could have used a bit of clarification, since I though it fortold
a miserably tragic ending for Beldin with Vella's eventual death, but
everyone treated itlike the happiest event in the world! Anyone else 
wonderabout it?

CKC


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From: STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Re : Orb etc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:03:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

The subject of who can hold the orb is really very simple a)The line of Riva (o
nly those who have the birthmark - although this is also an indication of sourc
erous ability as well) and b) *all* the gods. It must be remembered that the or
b only maimed Torak when he tried to *use* the orb to break the earth and c) th
e pure of heart.
 The whole question seems to be based on the confusion between who can *hold* t
he orb and who can *use* the orb. There appears to be no reference to anybody n
on-sorcerous being able to get anything useful out of the orb other than the fa
ct it is a symbol of the Guardians of the West
      Replys please to

           stucs204@uk.ac.bham - aka Richard
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Subject: Re: Book Two of The Tamuli(chris, chris, chris...)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:02:08 GMT
 <detchay.2.721352661@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> <9231601.20176@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Organization: La Trobe University
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> >>In article <9231100.2350@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:
> >>   Anyone know when this will be released (worldwide and/or in Australia)?
> >	HEY, WHAT IS THIS BOOK I HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN 
> >MELBOURNE.  COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE ITS SET, WHAT ABOUT BASICALLY AND WHERE
> >YOU GOT IT FROM IN AUSTRALIA...
> 
> I gather you mean Book One of the Tamuli? Well, it's the start of another series
> in the same world as The Elenium (with Sparhawk etc) and Eddings basically makes
> the Universe a bit bigger so he can put some new terrors into it for our heroes
> to solve. I got it from Bookworld (just near JB hi-fi in Bourke St., Melbourne)
> but I imagine Minotaur (in Bourke St.) or any one of a hundred other stores 
> would have it now (it's among the top 10 best selling books in the country).
> 
> Chris.

No, he means the other book, by Feirst, you idiot.  sometimes Chris, I really
do think you are more stupid than that girl you go out with.  I suspect the
rest of the world is reading on with interest.  Well mail Chris, he's always
got an opinion.  Just like me.
From: lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Lifespan
Keywords: Question
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:06:36 GMT
Organization: UB

910848v@ace.acadiau.ca (VIJAY VENUGOPAL) writes:

>Hi.
>I've got two question.  Actually one question with two variations.

>1.  Since Belgarion is a sorceror he is `immortal' so what then of his son.  
>Is he heir to a throne that he will never have?

	Here comes the whole immortality thing again.  Oh no
	
	Well actually Belgarion is not immortal in the fact that he will
never die.  He could be killed.  The only thing that is immoral about him
is that he can not die of old age.  If someone were to run a sword through
him then he would most surely die.  
	His son could become heir to the throne when Garion decides that 
he is ready to retire.  After all a man can stand to be king for only so 
long.  He might also decide to abdicate since the people may become 
suspicious of a king that doesn't get older.  

>2.  At the end of the Mallorean one of the gods (I don't remember who I don'
>t have a copy on hand) tell Garion that "probably in his lifetime" he would 
>see Eriond become the god of all the people.  Again since he is immortal 
>where does the probably come into?

	Well Garion is not immortal.  Or maybe that it was meant that if 
Garion were to live forever that eventually within that period of time
(forever) that Erriond would become the god of all people.

>I was wondering if I was interpreting something wrong here.

>Also.  Is Garion's son a sorceror also, since he does have the mark on his 
>hand???

	The mark is a discussion that has been going on for a while.  
No one is really sure what it is an indication of.
	Personally I believe that it is the mark of the line of Riva and
not of a sorcerer.  Garions father was not a sorcerer and he had the mark.
I think that in one of the books that it mentions that his father had the 
same mark.  

>Vijay
>910848@ace.acadiau.ca
-- 
	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission"
						Michael Lamanna
						S.U.N.Y at Buffalo
lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Who can hold the orb
Keywords: anyone
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:10:02 GMT
Organization: UB


	There has been a lot of talk about who can hold the orb.  The
answer is simple.  Almost anyone can hold the orb.  The orb will decide
if it will let the person holding the orb weild it or not.  There seems to 
be a little confusion as to holding and weilding.
	Holding is simply that.  If I have a glass of water then I am 
simply holding it.  On the other hand if I am drinking a glass of water
then I am weilding it.
	The orb will allow anyone it wants to hold or touch it.  They do 
no have to be pure of the line of Riva or a god.  The example of this is 
when Erriond touches the orb to the head of both Belgarath and Poledra.  
Neither of them were destroyed or burned.  They are not of the line of Riva
nor are they both pure nor are either of them gods.  
	The reason that the orb burned Torak was because he intended to
use it to do harm to the earth.  The orb was very upset by this.  The 
reason that it was upset had nothing to do with Torak.  It was upset 
because it was used to do something to the earth.  I don't remember the
exact wording, but it is in the _Pawn Of Prophecy_.   The orb is made of
stone and so is the earth.  Therefore the orb is a piece of the earth.
Torak tried to make the orb destroy the thing that it itself came from.
The Earth was it's mother.  
	The orb can allow anyone that it wants to touch it, or for that 
matter it may even allow them to weild it as well.  There is nothing in
the book to indicate that the orb will not allow anyone to weild it.  The
only thing that there is to indicate this is in the fact that everyone is
afraid of what the orb could do to them if they try to use it.

	Well I don't know if my sig will show up this time.  For some 
reason it has been a little touchy lately as to whether the server 
decides to use part or all or any of it.  
			
						Michael Lamanna
-- 
	"It is easier to get forgiven than permission"
						Michael Lamanna
						S.U.N.Y at Buffalo
lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: The Orb and Aldur.
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:06:04 GMT

In article <924818114854@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>It has been suggested by a few users of this net that the orb has sentience. Th
>e question that arises is 'Did Aldur,while forming the orb, give it sentience (
>addition - was Aldur the origonal Child of Light).Or did the prophecy (the voic
>e that speaks to Garion on occasions) give the orb sentience. Or it the orbs' s
>entience the prophecy itself.
>
>             What does anyone think.
>
>             /    stucs204@uk.ac.bham         \   - aka Richard.


  I agree that the orb does have some independant thought (witness Garion on his
way to meet Torak, Belgarath "explained" to it why it should make itself 
"unnoticable", also witness (somewhere in the Mallorean) the orb explaining to
Garion how to fix the crack that Torak make in the world).

  However as to how it developed, I would like to say that I think that Aldur
formed it, or it formed itself. Here are some reasons why:
      1) If the prophecy formed it, why when the prophecy was destroyed in the
end, did the orb retain it's intelligence. (Weak reasoning I know.)

      2) If the orb's sentience is the prophecy, then why is the orb described
as childish (see Belgarath talking to the orb in Bk 4,Belgariad), while the
prophecy is very intelligent.

Also to be taken into the arguement is that the prophecy has been around for a
long time, where the orb appears to be relatively new.


Later,
Matthew.
From: daw@carr5.acpub.duke.edu (Dwayne Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: daw@carr5.acpub.duke.edu (Dwayne Wallace)


In article <1992Nov9.212342.21733@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:
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|> From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
|> Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
|> Subject: Re: Size of the orb??
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|> 
|> 	I think that the Orb is smooth, otherwise it'd look damn silly on the
|> hilt of a sword. Maybe it looks like those really bad special effects in
|> "Dr. Who" and such, the ones with a crystal ball on a pedestal, glowing
|> faintly blue. As to size, I always thought that maybe the Orb changed size to
|> fit the circumstances. You know, not like anyone ever really saw it change,
|> but somehow it just always seemed to be exactly the right size for whatever
|> it was doing and no one questioned it.
|> 					Rosaleen Dhu
|> 

Good answer, good answer.  However as to silly...the Orb could never look
silly. Anyway I think I read in the Prologue to Pawn of Prophecy that it was 
the size of a human heart.  Don't flame me...I could be hallucinating.


						-Dwayne Wallace
From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Why the Orb burns anybody at all?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:45:35 GMT
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*)) writes:

> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) writes:
> 
> >I, myself, have often thought that Belgarath and Polgara are a little
> >over-pompous. Polgara in particular, although I love her as a character, I
> >think she'd be a pain in the ass as a fellow sorceress.
> >Turning people into radishes is overrated. Trust me on this one.
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                  I hate it when people say that...:) :)
> >
> >Rosaleen Dhu
> >"Beat the drum, hold the phone, the sun came up today..."--John Fogarty
> 
> I can only partially agree to that ... since I wouldn't use the word pompous.
> Belgarath and Polgara are not ordinary folks, they are SORCERERS, people who
> can move mountains, control the weather, fly faster than a speeding bullet...
> eh, wrong newsgroup.  But underneath all that power and ability, they are
> still humans, and can feel pain, sadness, joy, pride etc.
> 
> Put yourself in their shoes, being able to live longer than anyone else and
> having more power than anyone can imagine...  I think that they are not
> boastful or proud by nature, only when the occasion calls for it :).
> 
> Polgara (and Belgarath) had lived and cared for the Rivan family while they
> were in hiding for thousands of years, trying to be inconspicuous (vaguely
> remembering what she related to Garion when they quarrelled... sorry, but it
> was a LONG time ago).  She apparently suffered (I can't think of a better wor
> yet) a lot with possibly only Belgarath knowing the full extent of what she w
> through.
> 
> Pompous?  Maybe just a little... and I can't blame them.  Polgara never did (
> as far as my memory still serves me) turn anyone into a radish.  Yet.  She
> just turns irritating queens into snakes.
> 
> Oh, btw, I've a question for you Eddings' fans that has been bugging me for a
> while now (about 3 years) : Is Poledra (Belgarath's wife) REALLY a wolf ?  I
> know all about what the books said... but could it possible that she's lying 
> :):):):) (her little secret to get back at Belgarath for ignoring her for
> thousands of years)  Just wondering!
> 
> 
> Enough rambling for now...
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> Jeffrey Ong.
> * I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. *
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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