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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: KHARE
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:29:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <1992Nov12.171644.22282@pixel.kodak.com> sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey) writes:
>In article <BxKFAp.ED9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix
>14) writes:
>>   Hurm.  I always thought she chose "Kitten" due to her youth.  Also there's
>>an interesting juxtaposition between the connotations of the word 'psycho' and
>>the word 'kitten'....kittens being usually thought of as being such sweeeeet
>>things (unless you happen to dislike 'em)....
>
>Ahhh, but did you ever watch them at play? In a flash one will jump straight up
>for no apparent reason, bounding off walls and the back of a chair, the top of
>the curtains, shredding and tearing (without malice of course). 
>They seem to try traveling in all directions at once....
>
>
><U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>For example, I find your posts rather attention-getting and tedious, with
>>and undertone of sexual provocation (Why Psycho *Kitten*?), 
>
>As for sexual...a kitten seeks the warmth of a gentle touch, the sound of a
>beating heart, a place of safety from a strange world. Some might interpret
>that as sexual, for me it sounds more like someone looking for a comforting
>hug.
>Just because a kitten curls up in your lap does *not* mean the center of the
>world is below your belt line...(analyze that)
>
>
>Jim

Ahhh..how refreshing..a note of sanity..in the abyss..


.

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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: Why is life so stupid?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:52:29 GMT

I won't tell you to cheer up.  I'll tell you i went through the better part
of twenty years (that's twenty "fucking" years for some of you) wanting to
either suicide or simply crawl into my navel and never come out again...which
ever came first.  Changing my career plans and allowing myself to be put on
a regime of anti-depressants helped a great deal.  Things aren't perfect, but
then noone's life is, though someone trying to sell you something may claim
otherwise.
Take-home message: ride the wave.  If you fall off your board, try again.

euclid
--
Phoenix 14, euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
                                     ----Charles Dickens
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey)
Subject: Re: stats
Organization: dis organization
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:24:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.134231.9466@bradford.ac.uk> R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R
DODGIN) writes:
>
>Here are some stats relating to suicide that I found in a magazine
>earlier this week :
>      In Great Britain -
>          Someone attempts suicide every 5 mins.
>          80% of attempts by under 25yr olds are by women
>          80% of successful suicides by under 25yr olds are
>           by men (as they use more violent methods)

And from the US...

	A recent study links Country Western Music and Suicide

The article went on to state that a research study found that people who listen
to country/western music are twice as likely to attempt suicide because the
theme is hopelessness. It's interesting that the co-author of the paper in an
interview refuted his partners findings saying that the music wasn't the cause
but a symptom. He believes that people with suicidal tenancies migrate to
country/western music because it matches their mood...

and

	One in three teens has considered suicide

This was a survey done in New York of 1100 teens concerning fear of violence,
tenancies toward drug and alcohol abuse, and overall mental state.
Both articles appeared in yesterdays paper.

Jim
From: jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: (none)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:10:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:10:13 GMT-10:00

The "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life" song from _Life of Brian_

Cheer up, Brian.  You know what they say.
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...

(the music fades into the song)

..always look on the bright side of life!
(whistle)

Always look on the bright side of life...
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten!
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing,

When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps,
Just purse your lips and whistle -- that's the thing!
And... always look on the bright side of life...

(whistle)
Come on!

(others start to join in)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(whistle)

For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow!
Forget about your sin -- give the audience a grin,
Enjoy it -- it's the last chance anyhow!

So always look on the bright side of death!
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it.

Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true,
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!

And always look on the bright side of life...
(whistle)
Always look on the bright side of life
(whistle)

--
/------------------------jbell@mihi.une.edu.au--------------------------\
| Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound, | Justin Bell   |
| Raindrops taste like tears without the pain.          | +61-67-72-6247|
\-------------90 Taylor St., Armidale, NSW, 2350, AUSTRALIA-------------/
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Back after 11 months
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:28:44 -0600

In article <KK.92Nov14232209@nic.funet.fi>  writes:
..
>   1) Therapy sessions suck. They won't do any good, they'll just bring you 
>down with all-analyzing so-god-damn-superior psychologs. 
..

I hate to inform you, but.. Not all psychologists are this way.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Continuity-Lad)
Subject: Suicide
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:02:53 GMT

Has anyone out there ever wondered why Suicide is illegal?
That sucks.. Knowing my luck, if I ever got up the courage to try,
I'd fail miserably, and end up brain damaged in some prison cell
with a guy named 'Bubba' who keeps thinking my name is Ben.
(you know, Ben Dover?)
Seriously though.. Who was the genius who decided to make suicide illegal?
(I'm just in one of my inquisitive moods again.. *8^)  )
-Dave

Contrary to popular belief, Gravity does not exist.  The Earth simply sucks.

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey)
Subject: Re: Suicide
Organization: dis organization
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:33:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.204509.28618@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard
Powers) writes:

>Do you really think people decide not to "commit" suicide just because
>they believe its illegal?  (I'm not sure that it is illegal).  I don't
>believe this AT ALL. 
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Then go call 911 and tell them you're going to jump, then sit back and wait for
the white coat with the long sleeves that go all the way around your body.
	OR
You might want to play it safe and look up your states mental health laws in
the local library.

>"I want to die, but- Gee!  I wouldn't want to break any laws!"

More to the point 
"Gee if I mess this up, I'll get locked away and pumped full of happy pills"

Jim
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Suicide
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:03:55 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Nov17.180253.4307@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Continuity-Lad) writes:

>Has anyone out there ever wondered why Suicide is illegal?

I think it may be solely to make assisting a suicide a crime also.
And this is a good idea in case it wasn't really a suicide.....

>Seriously though.. Who was the genius who decided to make suicide illegal?

Dunno.  Wasn't me.  I was on holiday at the time. [non-UKers: UK politicians 
have a habit of being on holiday when things go wrong...]

>Contrary to popular belief, Gravity does not exist.  The Earth simply sucks.
BUT!.........................gravy   does!


  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: methodology
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:49:12 GMT

Walk 7 seven feet behind and stroke the edge of your mind with a thought
sharper than the razors line and smile, walking, a smile sharper than
hate. Heels on the floor (stone, white marble). A tiny, tinny, clicking.
My footfalls. Silent. Breathing. Silent. Heart. Silent. In my hand the
weapon hides. In my palm sweat cools salt.

No longer 7 feet behind and fallen over the edge in my mind. 

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  The Lord is my Shepherd............................but I'm not a Sheep
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: wadley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gregory Robert Wadley)
Subject: Budd's TV suicide
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:46:18 GMT


I'm trying to find the original news stories about the US politician
who shot himself on TV a few years ago. He had been found guilty of some
sort of corruption. He made a speech at a news conference, then pulled out
a pistol and put it in his mouth, and pulled the trigger. Many papers round
the world carried the picture of the gun in his mouth (and I'm trying to get
hold of this picture), and there was great controversy over whether TV should
broadcast the death. Some stations, including cable, did. His first name was
Budd, and I think it happenned in 1987.

Can anyone tell me the exact date, or any other details?

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Calvin)
Subject: Why is life so stupid?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:31:00 GMT

why is it that just when your life seems to be going nearly perfectly,
someone throws a wrench in the works?   damnit, everything was starting
to finally turn for the better ... i was doing good in all my classes..
i actually had (i thought) good friends.. then i realize suddently that
it's all bullshit.  i study my ass off for calculus... say everything
is fine if i get at least a 65%, and end up getting a 62%, all my
'friends' *tease* me about how stupid i am for almost flunking an
'easy' exam.  i guess i am.. hell i got a 28 on the last one.  sometimes
life sucks.  i always try to ride out the bad parts and wait for the
good ones..  well i've been riding for the past two fucking years, and
lemmie tell you it sure as hell aint getting any better.  only worse
damn life sucks sometimes.
-dave
(ps dont tell me to cheer up)

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Suicide
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:47:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180253.4307@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Continuity-Lad) writes:
>Has anyone out there ever wondered why Suicide is illegal?
>That sucks.. Knowing my luck, if I ever got up the courage to try,
>I'd fail miserably, and end up brain damaged in some prison cell
>with a guy named 'Bubba' who keeps thinking my name is Ben.
>(you know, Ben Dover?)
>Seriously though.. Who was the genius who decided to make suicide illegal?
>(I'm just in one of my inquisitive moods again.. *8^)  )
>-Dave
>
>Contrary to popular belief, Gravity does not exist.  The Earth simply sucks.
>

Probably the same one who invited state and federal income tax..they want
to keep you alive to TAX you!..

            .

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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: paladin@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Vaughn Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:05:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: rajeesh.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov14.144626.12130@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
>	
>	This will be the last post from me for (hopefully) quite some time...

how sad... you brought a good deal of life to the group....

>	Due to somewhat unexpected (but much liked) turn of events
>last night, I cannot bring myself to do any harm to this weary soul.

that is a goodness in and of itself...


>	Unfortunatally, this also means that I will not be visiting
>WPI anytime soon (sorry guys...).  The money that would have paid my 

hrm... well... hopefully at some point you can come up and meet people...
i wish you well in life... 

>	Time to move on in my life... I'll still be lurking here from
>time to time, but I simply won't have the spare time to post (or the
>inclination to -- I hope ) to ASH anymore.
>
>	Bye all!!! Feel free to continue to email me... 

i think this is a good point to insert the song from the muppet movie... 
"movin' right along".. then again... i can't remember all the lyrics...
so.. i'll leave it as an excercise to the reader... 8)

>	Angela

fare thee well... and p'raps i'll write... (if i can remember to... or remember
anything at all for that matter...)

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

forgetting the english language on the streets of london is a bad thing(TM)...

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Thanks Go To the Ranters
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.163414.18938@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
>	Oh Joy!!!  Pseudo-Christ/Brady is leaving!!!!
>
> 	Time to break out the champane and party (at WPI)!!! 
>
>	;)
>
>	AMW
>
>
>-- 
>
>Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
>Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 

Sounds good to me...and then after midnight..care to fly to the OP?
Gee..I do hope they don't have avalanches..in Switzerland?...;->>

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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 01:22:26 CST
From: MJ <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Practice Random Kindness

In article <1e8h51INNrm9@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, paladin@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Vaughn
Gross) says:

>he posted the article and the rebuttal... which i agree with... some of the
>random acts of ..... would really annoy or even upset people... but that is
>niether here nor there...

Yes, it is the general idea that appeals to me.  I don't think some of
the specifics are all that practical and could get one arrested in fact.
I did like the one about paying for the toll of the person behind you.
I think that would blow people away in a nice way.  It is practical and
doable and doesn't cost all that much.

>uhm... if i might point out.... anything planned is not in any way, shape or
>form random...  tho it may or may not be interesting...

Well, you're right!  Forget the random part then.  I hope it is
interesting to some.  I am sure I'll find out about that though!  :-))

>heh... well... this is a suicide newsgroup... some come here to deal with

Yes, they do come and go.  So far though, only a few have *really* gone.

>things, others are drawn here in a morbid fashion to watch... (ever notice how
>humans gather around to see fires and other destructive happenings... *sigh*)

Yes, I always got that feeling when I posted here.  I imagined a big
lurker circle in the sky of who knows whom reading all the posts.
The concept of the lurker is very interesting to me.  Voyeuristic?
Shy?  Who knows.  Perhaps as many reasons as there are lurkers.

>i wish you well... and truly hope you can keep you cheery disposition
>throughout life...

Thanks.  I don't always have it 24-hours a day, but down in the
bedrock I think it is centered quite well now.  See you all with
my post in a couple of weeks for your consideration.  I gotta type
it in and it is not all that brief.  :-))

Mary
From: megazone@starbird.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:47:58 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov18.221314.15885@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>	What the hell am I doing???  I certainly don't know...

That's not an uncommon feeling...

>	All I can think about is how nice death would be now... 
>	esp. the feeling of death washing over my mind...

Thinking about it is no big deal. I do it a lot to, I would go as far as to say
I fantasize about it at times. As long as the thoughts don't prevent you from 
functioning in your normal life there is no problem.

>	Why can't I cope like everyone else around here seems to do???

Hahaha... Let me tell you something, I don't cope all the time. The large holes
im my walls last year could tell you that. The friends that got me off the 
ledge and took away my knife could tell you that. Sometimes life throws a bit 
too much at you to deal with on your own. I'm lucky to have had the good 
friends that I do. That's also why I make myself available to others.

>	Why do I have such a hard time being 'normal'????

Why do you want to be normal? That is just the pressure from the, admittedly
sometimes overwhelming, artificial thing we call society. I say screw it! My
advice is to read the Principia Discordia (I can send a copy if you'd like) and
just be yourself. Instead of conforming to expectations, break the moulds and
be yourself. Find something YOU like to do... 

Myself, I like to help others, I read a lot, write, collect comics and 
animation, and when I can, I fly. Or maybe I'll just find a deserted road and
drive hard, or find a nice hill and watch the sky.

Don't try to be 'normal', after all, there is no real normal, just our 
perceptions of it.

>	I don't seem to be able to do anything right anymore...

I find that hard to believe. You seem to be able to communicate just fine here.

>	I hope I make it to my 21th birthday... (I think)

So do I... I hope you can make it to Worcester...

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From: jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Genetic Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Practice Random Kindness
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:18:55 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
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I thought this the first time I saw the crap go around the net, but i didn't
say it....until now.

This stuff is a "kinder, gentler" rip-off of Hakim Bey's concept of "poetic t
errorism", something I _have_ engaged in.

[ever break into someone's house/apt to LEAVE something? or re-arrange their
furniture? ...and these are but simple examples....]

joe, still loitering, still hating....

--
Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
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From: vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.prose
Subject: Re: life is death is life (a poem)
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:36:37 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1992Nov16.174233.2356@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>In article <BxoMu1.610@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>  writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.224904.2278@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov12.083029.12917@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  writes:
>>>>
>>>>life is death
>>>>a cold existence
>>>>slave to this world
>>>>surrounded by banality
>>>>smothered by the uncaring
>>>>the hopeless and frustrating
>>>>not sinful for suffering to end
>>>>all is forgiven in the eyes of god
>>>>spreading wings to the infinite
>>>>the weight upon me is lifted
>>>>this mortal physical body
>>>>returning to the earth
>>>>the sky embraces my
>>>>unleashed spirit
>>>>death is life
>>>
>>>golly, where's the point?
>  ^^^^^
>
>>
>>It is like real life(tm), there isn't one.     
>
>Acgh. I was being playful.. It t'was a pun.

     The poem?

  I made it to be a perfect 7-step pyramid to heaven
  with god at its peak, yet, like life, it's built on
  a base of contradiction and turned askew.

  I wanted it to be symmetrical about its center, yet
  flow from one side to the other, starting from the
  beginning line and ending at its mirror image, from
  despair through acceptance and finally to liberation.

  I made the imagery backwards to express how I was feeling
  -- the life side is tortured and crushing, while the
  death side expresses the relief of a fatal free-fall.

     The point?

  Like my life, I don't thing there really is one.  When
  I'm in a bad mood and I listen to Caterwaul, Lush,
  Throwing Muses and My Bloody Valentine, my mind likes
  to wander and I get ideas for poems.  Heck, it's better
  than crying.

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