From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Slavery and abortion
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:57:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.091616.7653@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
}In article <1993Jan2.043830.9305@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
}>In article <1993Jan1.021611.412@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
}>}In article <1992Dec31.010805.20244@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
}>}>
}>}>It seems that Gregg Skinner, Paul Lebow, and Michael P Noonan among others
}>}>think that slavery is a good analogy to abortion.  I maintain that there is
}>}>no good analogy to abortion nor is there any good analogy to pregnancy.
}>}
}>}If you lack the ability to abstract from actual, mundane EXPERIENCES of 
}>}pregnancy and/or abortion, Galen, how do you expect to ever discuss these
}>}issues intelligently?
}>}
}>}Perhaps you should consider just leaving the discussion to those of us who 
}>}CAN abstract... 
}>
}>Well, I might, except then people like Kevin Darcy might jump in with
}>no counter.  Perhaps it escaped you, but using slavery as an analogy
}>is often unproductive, as many are confused as to who is the oppressor
}>and who is the oppressed, ...
}
}Correction: because GALEN is confused, or someone set up the analogy
}improperly, NOT because the analogy is inherently faulty.

I may be confused, but I am not alone in that confusion.  Mark Cochran
pointed out that several of the pregnant women he has been associated
with have likened pregnancy to their being enslaved, not the fetus.

}>To put it rather bluntly, Kevin, I tend to care more for the "actual,
}>mundane EXPERIENCES" as you put it, than I do for whatever abstracts you
}>might care to construct.
}
}If that's true, then I fail to see how you, as a man, and therefore as 
}someone unable to gestate and give birth to a child, i.e. as someone who
}cannot actually experience abortion or its alternative, can possibly have
}any meaningful contribution to an abortion discussion.

That's abstracts you might care to construct Kevin -- see, you even quoted
it.  You obviously fail at other things, too.  I'll bet you fail to see
those also.

}>ps  how is your definition of the crucial dividing line which you can't
}>detect going?  
}
}The definition is well-known and well-understood in medical circles, Galen.
}
}Maybe all of these so-called medical "experts" you know are just fakers (?)

Perhaps that is true, although I doubt it, and I also doubt that the
University of Virginia medical school would care to have its faculty
characterized that way.  If it is so well known and crucial to you, how
is it that you can't tell when it is or how to test for it?  You requested
a list of options and I gave some to you, but you didn't even say "thanks."

Darn, Kevin, you're ranting more than you used to and making even less
sense than you did last year (if that is possible).  You are even getting
confused at who you are ranting at.  You've mistaken at least too others
for me that I know of.  I guess I should be flattered that I occupy so
much of your mind -- but I'm not. 
 
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