HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sid@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Sid Johnson WB6VWH)
Subject: Re: Bird GIFs
Keywords: GIF, pictures
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:12:23 GMT

In article <rqan5INN6is@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David A Rintoul) writes:
>Well, I tried to send mail to the originator of this posting,
>but it gets bounced back to me.  SO, a public answer is my only
>recourse.
>

Same here. Yes I would like to see them posted also. Have at it.

Sid Johnson
sid@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
From: maione@cs.toronto.edu (Ian Christopher Maione)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Bird Evolution
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:39:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto


    In article 5772 Marshall Abrams writes .....

>Hi, I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup; I'm not a bird lover
>or anything (although I often find birds interesting).

>I was wondering if any of you know whether penguins evolved from birds
>which were able to fly.  [If so, then I can use penguins in a nifty
>example in my dissertation (the chapter I'm working on now discusses
>ways to define "function" in terms of natural selection).]  I'd guess
>that penguin's ancestors did fly, but I don't have any good reason for
>thinking this.  For all I know, penguins and other birds all descended
>from a common, nonflying birdlike creature.

>Thanks very much to all you birdophiles.

   I'm not familiar with the specifics of penguin evolution, but they
are birds, so I would assume they evolved from a flighted bird somewhere
up the evolutionary chain somewhere.  I suppose it's possible they might
come from a long line of flightless birds, but that doesn't seem that
likely.  Anyone know anything about that?

   As for birds in general,  their evolution is a fascinating topic, one
which I've given some personal study.  It turns out that all modern
birds are the direct descendants of predatory dinosaurs.  The
relationship between birds and dinosaurs is so close that a few people
have suggested that it would be proper to classify birds AS dinosaurs!
It is almost certain that birds evolved from a class of small predatory
dinosaurs, the dromaeosaurs, which included such species as Velociraptor
and Deinonychus.  The main evidence comes from the analysis of the
skeleton of a creature dug up from the upper Jurassic period, called
Archaeopteryx Lithographica, which is essentially a small theropod with
feathers.  It is a "missing link" between dinosaurs and birds, having
both bird characters (i.e feathers and wings) and dinosaurian characters
(i.e teeth, long tail, small claws on the wings).  If you're interested
in some of this, you might take a look at "Predatory Dinosaurs of the
World", by Gregory S. Paul, which is full of detailed information on the
evolution of birds from dinosaurs, and a discussion of the genealogy
and nomenclature of these creatures.
    Recently (I'm not sure whether this has been published yet) there
was also a discovery of another possible bird ancestor from the late
Triassic period (quite a bit earlier than Archaeopteryx) dubbed
"Protoavis", which has thrown a bit of a twist into the issue.  However,
Protoavis has some characters (i.e a four-toed foot) which suggest that
it is not as close it birds, and it is certainly possible that flight
might have evolved more than once, with only one line surviving to
become modern birds.
    So, all you rec.bird'ers!  It might put a new twist in your
birding to realize that those critters at your feeder are in fact
living dinosaurs, and your pet bird is a close cousin of Tyrannosaurus
Rex!

Regards,
From: wybranie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Suzanne Wybraniec)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Woodpeckers in rec.hunting
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:09:46 GMT
Reply-To: wybranie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Suzanne Wybraniec)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Just wanted to let you all know that rec.hunting seems to have righted
itself re the jerk who wanted to shoot the Pileated Woodpecker because
it was hammering on his house.

The moderator of the group posted a message saying he was discouraged
and was beginning to wonder why he even let the original post through.
He has also decided to stop the thread.

However, before he stopped the thread he posted a number of messages
(about a half dozen, I think) from people (including me and others I
recognize from rec.birds) who were concerned.

I received a personal e-mail from a hunter who did not have a good
opinion (to say the least) of the woodpecker shooting idea, and he
suspected they were hangers-on to the group and he apologized for
their ignorance.
 
 
 Suzanne (Northern Virginia)                       wybranie@oasys.dt.navy.mil
                                                     David Taylor Model Basin
                                              Carderock Division Headquarters
                                                 Naval Surface Warfare Center
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: kcw@kodak.com
Subject: Bird Gifs posted
Followup-To: rec.birds
Reply-To: kcw@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:48:17 GMT


GIFs of a Grosbeak, Cardinal and Goldfinch posted to alt.binaries.pictures.misc
today.


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From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Chimney Swifts and Nighthawks
Date: 15 Apr 1992 14:18:50 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Our KS chimney swifts are back too--I saw my 1st flock over town this
am--heard them, actually.  Our naeighbors' martins just came back
Monday, so I was on the alert, watching every soaring black speck for that
boomerang shape, but they are here now!  Spring is here!

Ruth
From: cwilliamson@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Birders Online Poster instructions
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:08:54 GMT


 
Hello NATIONAL BIRDING HOTLINE COOPERATIVE subscriber!
 
We need your help to find new subscribers and to help get them
online with us (and contributing hotlines to their regional list!). 
 
The message that follows this one is a POSTER, which you can
easily distribute in many ways:
 
     1) PRINT OUT and put on bulletin boards where you think
     birders, field ornithologists, and naturalists may see it.
     You should remove the header. Then the poster is 8.5 x 11.
 
     2) FORWARD IT to your electronic mail birding buddies.
 
     3) MAIL IT to birders and also, to your LOCAL NEWSLETTER as
     a sort of press release.
 
     4) XEROX a stack of them and hand them out at your next
     Audubon or Field Ornithologists meeting.
 
     5) POST IT as a message on nature oriented BBSs.
 
     6) other
 
NOTE: There is a place where, if you choose, you can put your
name and a way to get hold of you - phone, office #. This way,
you can be the local NBHC help-person who can assist those
perplexed users with getting subscribed.
 
    Networking birders is hard work! Please help the effort.
 
Thank-you!
Chuck Williamson
co-owner BIRDxxxx lists
Tucson Az
CWILLIAMSON@Pimacc.pima.edu
From:  (Douglas Toelle)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Information on Pribilhof Islands
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:36:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <1992Apr14.211526.11511@gould.encore.com>, bburden@encore.com (Bruce Burden) writes:
> 	For those people that have actually been to the Pribilhof (sp?)
>     Islands, I am trying to find information to get there (some day).
> 
>  	I have the "official" Alaska vacation planner from '90,
>     and while they mention the islands, they have no information on
>     how to get there/who to contact.
> 
> 	I know there are several companies that offer tours there,
>     but I am looking to go myself.
> 
> --
> Bruce Burden

A recent Fairbanks news article mentioned the city manager in St. Paul on the
Pribilofs. He was saying that birders had become a big industry. You might
want to write to:

City Manager
St. Paul, Alaska 99660

The town is small enough that I'm sure it will get the the correct person.

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Fairbanks, Alaska                            907-474-5545
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From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Nuisance posts
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:03:42 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1347@spam.ua.oz>, ilundy@spam.ua.oz.au (Ian Lundy) writes:
> There seem to have been a lot of posts recently from pet owners asking
> questions about cage birds (btw the Cockatiel l'orange was delicious).  Some
> of these seem to have been from people who were unaware of rec.pets.birds. 
> Has it ever been suggested in the past that rec.birds should be 
> rec.ornithology or something similar to make it clearer what this group is
> about so that we get less of these posts.  Frankly I find them quite offensive.
> 
> Ian Lundy

I've been visiting this news.group since November of last year,
and the suggestion of changing the title to something like 
rec.birding, rec.birdwatching, etc. seems to be a steadily recurring
feature.

I'm all for rec.ornithology, too.

--danny
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: john@nmt.edu (John Shipman)
Subject: Re: Nuisance posts and rec.birds renaming
Summary: Tough it out
Organization: Zoological Data Processing
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 07:05:11 GMT

Since rec.pets.birds got rolling, I have seen only a handful of
postings about cagebirds here.  Each time the same things happened:

1. I send them a polite e-mail extolling the wonders of their affinity
   group in rec.pets.birds.

2. I never heard from them again.  Not even the tiniest of flames.

So, unless everyone miraculously agrees on a new name, I vote
against renaming.
From: lmadden@bbn.com (Leslie Madden)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Snake-catching bird
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: lmadden@spcink.bbn.com (Leslie Madden)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com



		sorry for the wide distribution - but my mail
		isn't making it.

		susan bohn - 

		a friend and i are interested in the brookline bird club,
		but haven't been able to locate it (not listed in phonebook).
		could you please let me know who to contact about membership?

				  thanks,

				leslie madden

				lmadden@bbn.com
				(617) 873-8155
From: awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Tony Wesley)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Nuisance posts and rec.birds renaming
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:16:00 GMT
Organization: National Federation of Associations

sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee) writes:

>In article <1347@spam.ua.oz>, ilundy@spam.ua.oz.au (Ian Lundy) writes:
>> There seem to have been a lot of posts recently from pet owners [...]

>After four months of rec.pets.birds, it is clear that the problem is not
>going away.

It's time these nuisance posts stop. This is not rec.optics.  Take
that stuff out of here!  
-- 
 Tony Wesley					 awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu

   The right most valued by all civilized men is the right to be left alone.
							-- Louis Brandeis
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca (Tony D'Alfonso)
Subject: Canary with bad leg
Originator: cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:37:54 GMT

Since I stumbled into this newsgroup, I thought I should ask a question about
one of my canaries.  

At least a summer ago (can't remember if it was last summer or the summer 
before), my canaries mated and one of the eggs that hatched survived.  The only
problem was that his little leg got caught on a piece of string that was in the
nest as he was growing, thus causing him to have a crooked leg.
Is there any way to fix it? 

Also, months later, they mated again and 2 of the eggs that hatched survived,
but only long enough for their feathers to cover their bodies, then it looked
as though the parents were attacking their children, so we seperated them, and
later on, the birds were weak until they died.  I don't think we took them away
from their parents too early as they could eat on their own.  I just don't know
why they collapsed and died like that.  Any ideas?
 
    ____
     / o n y.
From: sjm1@ra.msstate.edu (Sarah J. McKinley)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Indigo Bunting
Keywords: birds
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:17:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.sjm1.703203424
Organization: Mississippi State University

Saw my first indigo bunting yesterday (I live in Mississippi).
If anybody knows any tricks to keeping them around and attracting
them to the feeder, please post or mail to let me know.

sjm1@Isis.MsState.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: hammy@bagheera.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Smith)
Subject: Re: Purple Martin & pest control info
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:48:34 GMT

I'm not going to get into discussions of morality - personally I'd be more
than happy if there were no starlings and house sparrows in the US, but
I'm not sure I could actually dispatch them myself.  What I'm concerned about
is the talk of blasting away with air rifles.  A lot of air rifle shot
has a significant content of heavy metals, notably lead, which is extremely
toxic.  Or at least, that was the case when I was a young lad on the other
side of the pond.  If that is still the case, I'd just ask that you make
sure that no shot is left lying around, either from misses (I'm sure you
don't miss much :-), or in the carcasses of killed birds.  The loose
shot could be gobbled up by other birds, or simply disolve into the ground,
which would be harmful.  Shot in bird carcasses could end up being ingested 
by carrion eaters, which would also be harmful.

Feel free to correct me if current model air rifle shot is in fact harmless.

John.
_____


-- 
John G. Smith   	email : hammy@ctt.bellcore.com
RRC 1H-213       	phone : (908) 699-4530
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: ssouther@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (P. Sterling Southern)
Subject: scopes
Originator: ssouther@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:00:07 GMT

Recently someone posted a long composit file of comments on
scopes and tripods.  I read through the file, but managed to
push the right button at the wrong time and did not save it
off as I had intended.  If possible, would the person who 
posted the file please e-mail me a copy directly?  Thanks.


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From: v102pcak@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (WAYLAND'S WONDER)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: looking for the ideal pet
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am interested in getting a pet bird, but my housemates are not keen on the
idea of haveing a noisy, crazy bird around. Can anyone suggest a quiet calm
bird that will not be much of a disturbance to the house?
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (Sharon Badian)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Bird Evolution
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:01:57 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@vader.att.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, Co.

In article <92Apr8.233937edt.47512@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, maione@cs.toronto.edu (Ian Christopher Maione) writes:
|>    I'm not familiar with the specifics of penguin evolution, but they
|> are birds, so I would assume they evolved from a flighted bird somewhere
|> up the evolutionary chain somewhere.  I suppose it's possible they might
|> come from a long line of flightless birds, but that doesn't seem that
|> likely.  Anyone know anything about that?

Don't claim to be an expert on this topic, but I remember reading an
article in Natural History on penguins that said they were descended from
flighted birds. Which ones I don't remember.

|>     Recently (I'm not sure whether this has been published yet) there
|> was also a discovery of another possible bird ancestor from the late
|> Triassic period (quite a bit earlier than Archaeopteryx) dubbed
|> "Protoavis", which has thrown a bit of a twist into the issue.  However,
|> Protoavis has some characters (i.e a four-toed foot) which suggest that
|> it is not as close it birds, and it is certainly possible that flight
|> might have evolved more than once, with only one line surviving to
|> become modern birds.

This month's (really May) issue of Discover magazine has an article (the
cover article, actually) on the controversy surrounding bird evolution.
I haven't read it yet, but I find it a very interesting topic. No one
argues that birds are not descended from Archaeopteryx. The question is "Is
there an earlier very-birdlike ancestor?" Or stated another way, exactly
what line of dinosaurs and when did the bird line split off. That's the 
big question right now.

There was also an interesting show on dinosaurs and fossils that discussed
the bird controversy. It was on PBS but I don't think it was a Nova. I saw
it about a year ago.

-- 
Sharon Badian
seb1@vader.att.com or seb1@druhi.att.com
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Nuisance posts and rec.birds renaming
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


What about rec.wildbirds ?

[ or rec.freebirds for political assine ]
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NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: American Kestrel catches snake
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:31:09 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I was walking along the shore of Lake Ontario just east of
Toronto over the week-end, and saw several Amer. Kestrels.
It's been cold here, and Sunday was cold as well (ca 40F), and
windy.  I saw my first Tree Swallows of the spring (others have
seen them earlier in the area), but the spring migration is still
slow.  We saw several American Kestrels.  One female caught a fairly large
(ca. 18") snake which she dropped, perhaps because of our presence,
after carrying it about 15 feet.
I doubt that she could have handled it.  I went to the
place where the snake was dropped, and saw a garter snake of about
that size nearby (although I'm not certain that it was the same
snake).  Any other observations on snake catching by Kestrels in
netland?
A quick glance at the Handbook of North American Birds mentions that
snakes are cached, but no details on capture or the size of the snakes.
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: garyh@sdsc.edu (Gary Hanyzewski)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Birdwatching e-mail list
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:19:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.s2fu7INNo7l
Reply-To: garyh@sdsc.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bashful.sdsc.edu


	Is there a bird-watching / ornithology e-mail list ?
	I'm asking for a friend who is interested but doesn't have
	access to News.

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Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Falconry
From: mcbirch@acs.harding.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:34:21 -0500
Reply-To: mcbirch@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I am new on the group, and was wondering if any one was into falconry.  I
was hoping you could tell me about it.  I would like to someday own a 
periguen (<- spelling) falcon, and hunt with it.  Or if you just take care
of bird of prey i would love to hear about it.

					M.C.Birch
From: palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: bluebirds return
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:49:27 GMT

Hi!  Since you are in the Bluebird Recovery Program, how do you handle
Starlings and House Sparrows?  Are they not a problem in your area?  I am
a Purple Martin landlord, and I have LOTS of problems with them.  Do you
have any experiences or advice you could share?

Thanks!

--
Michael T. Palmer, M/S 152, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  23665
Temporarily a Techie: Center for Human-Machine System Research, Georgia Tech
Voice: 404-894-4318,    FAX: 404-894-2301,    Email: palmer@chmsr.gatech.edu
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (Sharon Badian)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: A nest in my tree!
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:26:32 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@vader.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, Co.

I have noticed that a small sparrow-like bird has been flying out
of a tree in my front yard almost every time I walk out my front
door. I think it's a house finch, but I haven't gotten a good enough
look at it. Yesterday, I peeked in the tree and found a little nest
with 4 little light blue eggs in it! I'm hoping that we don't disturb
her too much because I wouldn't want her to abandon the nest. I'm also
hoping that all the neighbor's cats don't come over to investigate.

And the funny thing is, the nest is in a miniature spruce tree -
commonly known as a bird's nest spruce!

-- 
Sharon Badian
seb1@druhi.att.com