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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Would you ALL like a demonstration?
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:00:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>How would you like me to post one article per day to the top 100
>groups in each newsgroup, inviting everyone over to news.groups
>with a subject line like "DANGER! YOUR group may go away."?
>
>Dave Hayes <dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> 

what makes you think people will read those articles, dave?

most of your "argument" is based on the premise that users don't
always know a necessary article by its subject line.


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ok
dpm
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:54:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <BxuJAr.85A@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>In article <1e9pb6INNm9v@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>>Why is it that I have not yet seen a single rebuttal of the
>>contradictions I have pointed out?  
>
>Shriman Shakil Ji,
>
>First, there is no contradiction that needs to be explained. Yours
>and Ahmadis are two different interpretations of the same syntactic
>entity (Quran). If they differ, you can't say one is wrong and the other
>is correct. Yes, even the interpretation accepted by a majority can not
>be forced down the throats of those in a minority. That is called
>religious tolerance.
>
>Secondly, as for your not having seen the rebuttals, there is plenty more
>that you have refused to see in your typical style of obfuscatory
>reasoning.
>
>I am sure you have seen the following question before. Please give a 
>one word answer to this question, if you can and would condescend to?
>
>Are you, Mr. Shakil Ahmad, vested with the authority of deciding who 
>is a Muslim and who is not?
>                                                  [Yes/No]
>
>
>If Yes, then you are violating a well accepted belief of islam and if
>not, then please stop talking about Ahmadis not being Muslims.
>
>You have no right to stop Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims.
>It is not a religious Islamic state here.
>
>
>>You are basing your comments on
>>something you cannot even prove, 
>
>And nor are you capable of "proving" somebody else being
>Muslim or non-Muslim.
>
>>-- Shakil
>
>
>---raj
>
>
>PS: Some of these fanatics think that they are still in Pakistan or in 
>some other religious islamic state and can continue with the religious 
>persecution that is carried out back home in their countries. Yes sir,
>objecting to Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims is religious
>persecution. I wish "Religious Tolerance 101" with a grade of B or above 
>is made a pre-requisite for graduation in every university for people from 
>these countries.
>
>---raj

 Mr . raj dont poke your damn shit nose into our affairs ok.


 -----Maharaj 
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Nov14.200247.21303@daimi.aau.dk>
	<1992Nov15.130350.12577@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:18:44 GMT

[removed rmms]
Dave> == Dave Hayes <dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> 

 Dave> Why on earth should anyone include a ":" in a newsgroup name? But
 Dave> it has happened.

Straw man, Dave.  That was alt.  Next you'll be claiming that we were
trying to rename the group to rec.music.makers.synth.dave.dave.dave.

 Dave> How would you like me to post one article per day to the top 100
 Dave> groups in each newsgroup, inviting everyone over to news.groups
 Dave> with a subject line like "DANGER! YOUR group may go away."?

Well, Dave, is that a threat?  Is this how you expect to convince us of
your rationality?
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: UDRP Clarification
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:17:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1ehotdINNb7h
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov18.163428.29902@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:

Oh, my. CFV is such an awful acronym. Even though it is defined in
almost every posting in which it is first used. Let's get rid of it.

But UDRP is SO clear. So clear that it need not be defined.

[entire article without one reference to anything that could be
abbreviated UDRP, deleted.]

Ok, so what document is UDRP defined in? Isn't this a teensy bit two
faced -- in an argument where CFV is decreed to be obfuscatory, the
same people create their own undefined acronyms.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:21:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>What was being discussed is how to obtain enough  
>knowledge to recognize an RFD or CFV and understand its importance. 
>
>gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)

by having it explained to you by the user who showed you how to use news
or by poking around and finding n.a.n., the same way you found r.h.f.

no user is "owed" an explanation of how to use the net.  no admin has the
responsibility of explaining how to use the net, except to his own users.

perhaps i am misunderstanding Mr. Van Huizen's position, but . . . 

i often find that _exaggeration_ is a useful tool for analysis, so let's
try it here:  Fred submits a CFV for renaming, and is therefore responsible
for ensuring that everyone who reads the group rec.sport.calvinball is aware
of the upcoming vote and the possible ramifications.  We can then see that
Fred is also responsible for ensuring that people who don't read r.s.c.
very often are informed of the big event, so he must e-mail a notice to each
address that has posted to r.s.c. in the last twelve months.  Fred is also
responsible for people who haven't discovered r.s.c. yet, so he must post
notices in most (if not all) of the other rec.sport.* groups.  Obviously
these notices won't be much use to the people who _would_ read r.s.c.
if they only knew about the net, so Fred must bear the cross for educating
all computer users around the world about News and how to use it.  Finally
we have those poor souls who would gladly read & post to r.s.c. ---
and fight 'til the end to keep the current name! --- if they actually
had computer accounts somewhere, so Fred better get moving and provide
accounts and complete access and lots of disk space and plenty of CPU time
and the requisite hardware for these oppressed people.

ha ha, what a scenario.  seems to me that Fred's obligations
are pretty well covered by the current guidelines.

ok
dpm
-- 
murphy@npri6.npri.com 602 Cameron St. Alexandria, VA 22314 (703) 683-9090

              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.jobs.misc
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: RFD- misc.jobs.non-computer
Keywords: New jobs newsgroup?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:48:42 GMT

If you want to do this, you should instead consider a restructing
to get rid of misc.jobs.offered.  misc.jobs.non-computer is too vague.
misc.jobs.offered.non-computer and misc.jobs.offered.computer
would as a minimum be better.  This has problem, still.  What happened
to the geographic split proposal?  Witness also what happened
with misc.jobs.offered.entry.  You can expect the same thing which
happened there to happen in non-computer for a while.

misc.jobs.non-computer could be interpreted as anything: resumes, offerings,
discussion.  You must clarify it ion the name.

This also says nothing of misc.jobs.resumes.  Do it right the first time.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:39:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts

In article <1992Nov17.102155.14072@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
|> In article <Bxty6p.40F@uunet.uu.net> pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) writes:
|> >Proposed Newsgroup's Name
|> >=========================
|> > rec.arts.fantasy
|> 
|> This is covered by rec.arts.sf.written. During last years reorganisation
|> is was hashed out sufficiently, that:
|> 
|> 	a) sf in this context stands for speculative fiction
|> 	   and thus contains fantasy
|> 	b) nobody could agree on a dividing line between
|> 	   science fiction and fantasy anyway
|> 
|> In summary: there is no need.

I have read your responses to this RFD. It is all well and good to
say "Last year we all decided to use SF to mean speculative fiction."
But, I don't think it is obvious. I think of that hierarcy as Science
Fiction. 

There are people who like Fantasy and not Science fiction. They may
not realize they are welcome in rec.arts.sf.*

I see the difficulty in defining the difference. I have my own definition.
But I don't think that is the point.

--Jennifer
jlevine@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: murthy@ssdss3.asl.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy)
Subject: Re: RFD:soc.culture.zoroastrian
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:47:00 GMT

In article <Bxpt9G.Dt4@cs.dal.ca> bhathena@ug.cs.dal.ca (Firdaus B Bhathena) writes:
>		I want to propose a new newgroup which could
>		be entitled:
>			soc.religion.zoroastrian
>		I, myself, am a Zoroastrian once a strong but now
>		a dying religion. We number just over 100000
>		worldwide. I have met other Zoroastrians on
>		soc.culture.indian and we have talked about having
>		a newsgroup just between us to talk about issues
>		concerning our society globally. 
>
>		Regards,
>		Firdaus Bhathena.

I'm for this group. Go for it.

Vasudev
-- 
Vasudev Murthy             Any opinions expressed are strictly  
murthy@asl.dl.nec.com      my own  and have nothing to do with
(214) 518-5031             Advanced Switching Lab, NEC America, Inc.
1525 Walnut Hill Lane Irving TX 75038
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.visual-basic
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:39:34 GMT

In article <ANDRE.92Nov16162629@king.slc.mentorg.com> andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:
>In article <Bxty6L.3zI@uunet.uu.net> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
>
>   >Proposed newsgroup name: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.visual-basic
>
>Way way too long of a name.

Yea.
Doesn't the visual-basic part indicate programming anyways?  I mean, it
is a language...
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:30:26 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Nov19.075900.14027@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
>
>A renaming of rec.arts.sf.* to rec.arts.spec-fic.* would fit your purpose
>better. It is also a lot more realistic than trying to define a hard
>boundary between science fiction and fantasy. 
>
>	2) If more people find, that *.sf.* is too obscure, and a more
>	   explicit name might be a Good thing (TM), and a consensus can
>	   be reached on the new name (I personally like *.spec-fic.*),
>	   then I might support such a renaming.

rec.arts.f&sf might be nice (except for the invalid character :)

	...f-sf...?  

f/sf and f&sf are frequently used in bookstores for the "fantasy and 
science fiction" amalgam.  I think if some sort of legible variant
of that could be used more people would find it than some obscure
abbreviation of "speculative fiction" which is way too highbrow for
some of us pulp fans :)



		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Usenet Documentation Revision Project : Update (Phase Zero completed)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:32:01 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1efusdINN1ls@spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.200624.5463@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
>>The Interested People List presently includes:
>> [list deleted]
>>If I've missed anyone, drop me e-mail and let me know.
>
>You've missed out BIFF and John Palmer!
>How can a project like this succeed without the distilled net.wisdom
>of these long timers?

And Hasan B-) Mutlu / Serdar Argic? Where would the world be without
them?

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.singaporean
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.070429.4079@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
[...stuff deleted]
|> 
|>      Right now the two major contributors here are from Singapore and M'sia. 
|> I think it would be sad to turn s.c.a. into s.c.m when you create s.c.s and all
|> of you goes there.  In the final analysis, there is a special relationship
|> between Singapore and M'sia that doesn't exist between most other countries. 
|> Do you want to stop that here?  After all, how many other countries share 4
|> languages between them?
|> 
Also, a significant portion have family and relative ties on both
sides of the channel.
 
|> > to have national s.c. groups, and reserve s.c.a for issues of interest
|> > to the majority of Asean countries - and if Asean is too loose a grouping
|> > to bind people to talk about common issues of concern and interest, then
|> > let s.c.a. die a natural death - it has served its purpose well I think.
|> 
|>      I don't think it's time has come yet.  And I think s.c.s is prematurely
|> due.

I'm not so sure.  The flood gate had been opened.   But yes, the
participation had been very limited.  I'd suggest the following:
 
  1. S.c.a netters not currently residing in Singapore or Malaysia
     please vote NO, even if you are unsure.
 
  2. The others please vote YES if you want s.c.singapore.
  
The rationale for the NO vote is to ensure that there should be significant
participation from Singapore to warrant such a group.  I'm not against s.c.s
but I'll be voting NO just to be sure.  Can I count on all of you too?

Those of you in Singapore...please do go out and rally your support.
But please be responsible and ensure a YES vote comes from a genuine
voter with intention of subsribing to the news group.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Music Group Reorg Disagreement (was Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:49:43 GMT

dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
> >Straw Man. 
>This seems to be your favorite phrase. Use it too much and it loses
>meaning. 

I guess all the straw men I find here in news.groups are quite meaningless
then. I'll buy that. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   Advice is priceless; when it becomes interference it is preposterous.
Newsgroups: news.groups,talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.meta,sci.philosophy
From: dcosley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel R Cosley)
Subject: Re: RF more D: talk.philosophy.objectivism
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:48:41 GMT

Well, are the people who want the group to be moderated people who would 
actually be using this group or are these people just concerned users who see 
the group turning into a morass of non-Objectivists flooding the discussion 
with ad hominem arguments and disrupting everything, cauing an immense, 
unproductive waste of disk space?  (and of course, there is not an exemplary 
level of rational agreement within the various factions of the 
Objectivist/objectivist/individualist movement)

Personal, I am in favor of a place to hash that sort of thing out...
-- 
Dan  ***  dcosley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
*******************************************
Disclaimer: Due to budget constraints, The Ohio State University cannot afford 
to express official university opinions on Usenet.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Getting information
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.165610.20591@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  
(Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 
> You recieved the desired information and your problem was solved.
> What more do you want?
> 
I would really like to thank all the people that helped, and indeed some  
people were very helpful. Thanks.

My point is that if a LOT of other people tell you "you should have asked  
someonse else", most people will stop being inquisitive after awhile. If  
this is an environment where one needs to ask questions to find things  
out, that's an obvious problem.

> >As long as there is an attitude that experienced news admins are the  
only  
> >ones qualified to express opinions about the voting process, and said  
news  
> >admins are the "authority" in this context, voting will be skewed  
towards  
> >news admins and away from everyone else.
> 
> Voting is not 'skewed towards news admins'. Voting is skewed towards  
people
> with an interest in the involved group or in the work of the net as a  
whole.
> If you look around the net you'll find many badly named groups that have
> passed despite major resistance from the 'news.groups crowd'.
> 
You removed the context of my response. I was told by more than one  
individual (and they happened to be news admins) that if I didn't know how  
to add a new group to me feed that I didn't have much business expressing  
my opinion about the vote. If that is a prevalent attitude this process is  
most definately skewed toward that group.


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From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: RFD: Should rec.music.makers.synth stand as a group name?
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:14:32 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov blathers [in response to jan@bagend.uucp 
  (Jan Isley), about the Guidelines]:

>And why the hell not, since you folk seem to be so addicted to them? They
>caused an unfair result in my perception, so they are unworkable in my
>opinion. 

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, it's Alok all over again.  No wonder Scott has
another UNO coming out.

--
--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.flame,talk.bizarre,news.admin.policy,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,rec.humor
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
Subject: Re: Advertising on Net:how can we stop it?
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:17:27 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <lgitbkINNhm2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:

> Hello,
> Is there a admin or USENET cop who can stop certain people from
> continuously advertising on the net dispite numerous warnings from
> many people on the net.  This guy from ICPA has posted an ad at LEAST
> 3 times on one newsgroup and cross posted to many others.

We can all stop reading the net! ;-)  That'll stop it fast!

Otherwise you can either contact his news manager or the site that gives
him a connection to the net.  If neither of these sites feel he's out of
line, you're more-or-less out of luck.  But you can always use a kill file.

Terry
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <Bxv4LD.1z6@apollo.hp.com>, @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:

>I think of that hierarcy as Science Fiction. 

Jennifer, you can think of it any way you please, but it's _still_
speculative fiction.

>There are people who like Fantasy and not Science fiction. They may
>not realize they are welcome in rec.arts.sf.*

Then they should learn the net better.

These kinds of naming glitches are quite common on the net, they don't
throw people very often.  Exactly the opposite case is in effect in the
gaming group, which is rec.games.FRP.*, which original stood for "Fantasy
Role Play" in exactly the sense you mean "fantasy".  But nowadays that
"Fantasy" is taken to include _both_ "traditional" fantasy _and_ science
fiction, both of which are "fantasies" in the generic sense of both being
products of the imagination.  I see no great problem with r.a.sf.written
begin retroactively renamed "speculative fantasy" to cover both areas.

Just let it lie, okay?

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: news.groups