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From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Harley Dealer & Corp. Complaints
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:33:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan5.084218.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:


>Matthew,

>I can indeed appreciate your frustration, however, my experience so far (since
>June 1992) has demonstrated that neither Harley dealers nor Harley Davidson
>corporate give a damn about their customers.

I'm afraid to hear this sort of thing. Very sad indeed.

>Without boring the net with details, my wife and I recently (late November) 
>co-wrote a letter to our local dealer, copying both owners, the Director of
>the local HOG Chapter, and Richard Teerlink (Harley Davidson's CEO) regarding
>ongoing problems concerning (lack of) professionalism, incompetence, and racial
>prejudice at the dealership, complete with specific examples.  To date, noone
>associated with any of the above hasmade any attempt to address any issue,
>despite a specific request for same in our letter.  (I live close to Milwaukee;
>this summer at the 90th or 10th, if I see Mr. Teerlink, he'll definitely hear
>about it!!!)

I'm from the south side. (St. Francis...between Cudahy and Milwaukee) I'm
planning on a factory tour this spring with my step-father who worked as
a engineer from the late 50's to the early 70's. He says he can get me in,
so I'm hoping I can see someone (that gives a shit) personally.
Maybe I'm fucking dreaming.
Where do you live?

>If you really think that there is any value in your efforts (the idea is
>commendable), please provide a mailing address, and I'll send a copy of the
>letter to you.

>It's quite sad to note that both Harely Davidson and its dealerships callously
>shit upon the very customers who make it successful.  

Got that right. That kind of attitude really pisses me off. I work for a 
company (Convex) that "Lives for the Customer". Communication, treat people
right, and fix the damn problem! It's in my blood. It always has been. (which
is probably why they hired me. I know one thing, it's not my charming fucking
attitude)

Please, if anyone can add to the list please do so!!! I want lots-O-ammo!
>Regards,


>Michael Menard
>708.249.3875


Thanks Micheal!

Matthew Trost		mtrost@eugene.convex.com

18333 Roehampton #1428
Dallas, Tx. 75252
(214) 407-1745


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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:29:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.151728.8048@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
+In article <1993Jan7.084239.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
+> Gee, I wonder which is more dangerous... LSD or cigarettes?
+
+Gram for gram, I'd have to say LSD.  Can you imagine *grams* a day every
+day for 30-40 years?  I've seen physical changes in friends that did
+300-400 mcg (that's *micro* grams!) every few days for a couple of months.

It is always hard to say what one took exactly unless you have a
good source of Sandoz acid.  Everything else was impure and the
"mike" content was always sales hype.  Who knows what effect the
impurities had.

	Paul
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: george glover <gglover@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Harley Dealer & Corp. Complaints
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, Ca., USA
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 21:31:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <mtrost.726265995@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>Got that right. That kind of attitude really pisses me off. I work for a 
>company (Convex) that "Lives for the Customer". Communication, treat people
>right, and fix the damn problem! It's in my blood. It always has been. (which
>is probably why they hired me. I know one thing, it's not my charming fucking
>attitude)                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^
>Matthew Trost		mtrost@eugene.convex.com

You got that right Matthew, so it's either your good looks, or the fact
that you can part your hair with your tongue (probably the later).
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: HELP - FLHTC/U fork oil
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:46:43 GMT

In article <RHYTHM-060193090413@kip2-51.apple.com> RHYTHM@AppleLink.Apple.com (
Gary Phillips) writes:
>I have an 1989 Ultra Classic and want to know how someone REALLY goes about
>changing the fork oil on a dresser?  I've read the manual multiple times
>and it's not clear what needs to be taken off the bike etc., in order to
>get at the fork tube filler bolts.  I have taken off the windshield and
>fairing, removed the stereo, then looked at whole situation carefully and
>don't see any reasonable method of obtaining access to the bolts.  Can
>anyone out in bit world help?

The best way to change the fork oil on an FLHTC is to use the vacuum
method that my dealer uses and that I copied from him.

Since you have air suspension with the reservoir being in the handlebar,
obtain a fork oil screw; have someone drill a small 1/8 or less hole
through the center of the screw, attach a hose of some type to the screw
to dip down into the fork oil bottle; remove your fork oil drain
screw; release the air from your air reservoir and remove the schrader
valve; drain the oil well; put in the screw with the hole in it and
the hose down into the fork oil bottle; use a suction device to carefully
suction in 8 ounces of fork oil; cap off the schrader valve; carefully
remove the screw/tubing and replace your fork oil drain screw WITH A NEW
CRUSH WASHER; repeat on the other side.

In effect, you're draining the oil from the same hole and refilling the
fork from the same hole.  My dealer's mechanics do this as a routine and
save me almost an hour of labor charge.

Arnie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomw@stephanie.megatek.com (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: Tax Write-off for my Harleys??
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:35:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.175541.15193@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rjc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.cook) writes:
>  Last year, I learned that if one rebuilds a Harley, takes it to shows (i.e.
>swap meets) and has it for sale any associated expenses can be written off.
>I forget if it then is considered an investment rather than a hobby, or
>some-thing like that.
>
>  Anyway, I am rebuilding my 73 Sporty with the intent to show it and sale it.
>Same thing with my 83 FLHT, though it doesn't need much work.  Anyone know of
>this tax-less :-) feature?
>
>TNKS - Robert

If you want to consider yourself in the business of "value added resale" of
a product (such as motorcycles) you can deduct the costs associated with
adding the value. However, you must then report the difference between the 
sales price and the basis (purchase price in this case) as income while you 
deduct your costs as business expense. All this is done on schedule C.

If this results in a loss, there are limitations in how much loss you can
report and what you can carry over to future years. Unless you make a profit
some years, if you are audited, the IRS will consider this a hobby and 
disallow *all* your deductions. This will result in taxes, interest and
penalties.

Soooo, if you do this and

 1) consistantently do not make money at it, you're SOL; just ignore the whole
    thing from a tax stand point

 2) do make money at it, you need to keep track of all your costs to minmize
    what you have to report as income. Note your time has no value because
    if you deducted an amount to "pay yourself" for the work you did, you'd
    have to add what you "paid yourself" to your wages income. Rather than
    go through all that, the IRS just says forget it as far as your time goes.

Note that if you make lots of money doing this and select to ignore it as if
it were a hobby, if you are audited, the IRS may be able to figure out from 
your bank statements, lifestyle, etc., that there is unreported income. This
pisses them off *much* more that taking suspect deductions. Disallowed
deductions generally means $$$; large unreported income can mean seasure of
assets and substantial jail time.

Bottom line: you can't win.

While I am trained as a Certified as a Tax Preparer in the state of California
for Federal and State Taxes, this is only a general outline of the rules
related to such a business and should not be considered formal tax advice. 
Check with an accountant or tax preparer near you for formal advice and 
details.

Tom Wright
'89 Heritage Special Classic

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From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: Panhead
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:02:38 GMT

Could the person from PERSOFT,MADISON who is selling the Panhead, please get 
in contact with me (email). I received the photo today and it looks like a 
nice bike. Could you please send me some more info on the bike and your 
email address.  Thankyou.
                            KEEP IT UPRIGHT
                                 DAVE.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: M-6 chain tensioner
Keywords: Keywords?  please....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:38:53 GMT

In article <43193@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> zcollier@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Scottish Bastard)
writes:
>I recently went over an archive of mine in which Arnie Skurow mentions
>the M-6 chain tensioner by Tom Hayden Enterprises.  I am very interested
>in this product, but no address is given.  I'm hoping that someone
>here on the net (Perhaps even the legendary Arnie himself) knows this
>address and is magnanimous enough to share it.  :)

Tom Hayden Enterprises
11315 Country Club Drive
Anderson Island, WA 98303
(206) 884-2433

Arnie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: LSD vs. cigarettes
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:52:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan7.232003.26920@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>The guy started out with a normal face and two normal eyes.  After constant
>dosing for months he developed the characteristic oval "acid face" with 
>tired droopy eyes.  His features changed and he started to resemble the face
>on the "In the Court of the Crimson King" album cover.  This was about 13-14 
>years ago.  In the years since I've seen other toastoids with similar facial 
>geometry.
>
>- Roid

Also remember Rocky Erickson (sp?). He's in pretty bad shape nowadays. I had
the rare chance to get to do some repair work on his guitar amp back in 1985
and couldn't get it through his head that the cause of his amp problem (getting
mild electric shocks) was due to his insistance upon playing through the rig
while barefoot on a damp concrete basement floor in a house with ancient and
questionable wiring... But then he claimed he was getting shocked when playing
through a battery powered Pignose amp also. Methinks his nervous system was
so short-circuited that certain sounds heard from the amp's speaker were being
misinterpreted as the sensations of electrical shock.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Looking for winter project
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:30:20 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1993Jan12.114044.12142@hemlock.cray.com>,
rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James "rags" Rye) wrote:
> 
> I just sold my 86 flst and am in dire need of a winter project.
> What I want is either a basket case or just a motor, it must be
> at least a 74 shovel, pan etc...

How much do you want to $pend?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: insurance
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:18:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.172553.14332@sequent.com> eds@sequent.com (Ed "The Red" Snider) writes:
>
>
>
>I'm thinking of checking out the insurance companies advertised
>in the HOG magazine, Dairyland and Midwest Mutual, and was wondering
>if anyone has any pros/cons on either of them.
>

    I've heard some good thing about Dairyland, especially the
price. Nothing bad about either of them. Mine is with Northland,
no complaints in some 10 years, and the price is OK.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)


'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

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    tonicht ye're alrrright I ken"
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From: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (W. Keith McManus)
Subject: Bike Week 93
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:34:37 GMT

Documentary videomaker looking for bikers going to Daytona for this year's
Bike Week

W. Keith McManus
=================================================
Rochester Institute of Technology
Applied Photography Department - Photojournalism
Rochester, New York

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InterNet: wkmpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
     AOL: KeithRIT
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: LSD,STP, etc.
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:56:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.084239.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>Gee, I wonder which is more dangerous... LSD or cigarettes?
>
As a public health problem, cigarettes are orders of magnitude worse
than LSD because of the number of people using the drug (cigarettes).

M Johnson

--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
From: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM (Wendy Gale)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Motorcycle, Trailer & Gear
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:04:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starchild

Motorcycle Jacket
	Black Leather 
	Traditional style
	size 36
	$60

Hein Gericke Motorcycle Jacket
	Black Leather
	size 40
	$200

Leather Motorcycle Riding Chaps.
	Black
	32-34" waist, 24" thigh, 32-34" inseam
	outside zippers with snaps at boot
	Buckle at waist.
	$60

1981 Honda CB400T
	10,000 miles
	good learning bike
	helmet & shop manual
	$600

Motorcycle Trailer
	Custom
	3 bikes
	Gas Storage Rings
	Metal Storage Box
	Registration current
	$700

wendy
(415) 336-5948
From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:46:17 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: FRAHM@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU's message of 29 Dec 92 22:04:38 GMT

In article <FRAHM.12.0@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU> FRAHM@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU (Joel A. Frahm) writes:

   >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   >	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
   >			Racer Brown  1954
   >=====================================================================

       Actually, the only substitute for cubic inches is cubic FEET!

   Joel.


	I always knew it as:

		The only substitute for cubic inches, is cubic dollars!


			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ DERSLYR, 83 Le Mans III Kit DoD#500 KotF(Flag) Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236

You done violated Physics, BOY!    Assume the position..... (Rider 5/92)
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance compan
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:31:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article m9p@agate.berkeley.edu, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>
>Rates were increasing way out of proportion with inflation for people with
>*good* driving records (the insurance co's tried to lay this at the door of
>civil claims lawyers), and people with poor records were often unable to
>obtain coverage at any price.  Everyone was outraged at the situation, and
>the citizenry revolted.
>
>I haven't heard any complaints about the new system.

The "revolt" was a demand that rates be rolled back 20% from the '88
levels, among other things.  Six months after 103(?) passed, BEFORE the
courts ruled the insurance co. was entitled to fair profit, my rates
increased 25%.  I complained.  I screamed bloody murder, to the company
and to the CA legislature.  Over the next three years, the rates
continued to rise, with no apparent relation to any ruling of the
insurance commissioner or anyone else.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:43480 ba.motorcycles:1371
From: bade@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:10:11 GMT
Reply-To: bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin TX
Originator: bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com


In article <1993Jan8.190508.28990@osf.org>, jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.162748.1296@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
> >
> >Anything else is an 'added cost' option. ABS is not free on the S (costs about
> >$1000).
> >
> Why do the forks have different part numbers? I don't see the "sport
> suspension" as an option. The brochure lists ABS as a standard feature.
> I think it was optional before '92.

ABS on the S is now standard, it is not abvailable on the Low Seat.
The forks were made the same across the K75 line in 92.  There is no longer
a sport suspension.  As for the part numbers being different I checked
with the dealer and the part numbers all but the springs and spacers are
the same between the 91 and 92 models.  On the 92 the springs and spacers are
the same now also. Actually in 93, they have switched to Showa forks on the
K75.

The added cost options on the S over the Low Seat K are in the plastic
(fairing, and belly pan, and side panels), the ABS system and the different
saddle.  Considering that the ABS system is about 1000 to 1200 and the
plastic parts (by the piece) come to about 1300 you can easily come up
with a $2500 price differential.


> 
> ============================================================================
>            Jono    DoD: 316    Beemers: '85 K100RS '92 R100GS 
>     Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
>            "Too much of a good thing is never enough." -Luba
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K Morrow)
Subject: Re: BMW '82 R65 Ignition Problem
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:52:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.234943.15947@leland.Stanford.EDU> discodav@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Miller) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>Recently my newly-acquired, previously owned Boxer has been acting up.
>The problem, simply put, is that the ignition system is not giving 
>me a hot enough spark.
>

My 82 R100RT failed in a similar way, and perhaps your ignition system
is the same or similar to this one.  The engine began missing while I
was riding on the interstate, and unfortunately I didn't make it home
before it died.  After waiting a bit, the engine would start, but then
quit again shortly after I put the bike in gear.  The problem turned
out to be water in the connector between the ignition pickup assembly
(located behind the front cover, beneath the alternator) and the
ignition module (located on the frame backbone under the tank).  The
connector itself is behind the front cover next to the alternator.
I pulled it apart, dried the water with a Q-tip, and sprayed a bit
of WD-40 in it before putting it back together.  No ignition problems
since.  Since this happened shortly after I bought the bike used,
I suspect the previous owner used a high-pressure car wash around
the front cover and forced water into the connector.

Failure of the ignition module usually means no spark at all, and
is normally brought on by pulling a plug wire while the engine is
running.  (This technique has been used on /6 and earlier machines
to balance the cylinders.)  Your problem, a weak spark, is most
likely something other than module failure.

						Bob Morrow
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Organization: Leave the By-laws ALONE !!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:57:31 GMT

Anyone who says "How much can a hospital bill be" has never
had to pay one. If you live in an area you are better off
finding a doctor with an office in his house than pay the
ER fee + Doctor fee(always thought he came with the ER) +
materials+ services. Boy you want to see a bunch of "Itemizers"
that beat the IRS hands down go to an ER.
"Lets see, 2 Aspirin, 4 cotton swabs, 12 sheets of toilet paper"
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