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From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Info Needed - Virginia
Organization: VTT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:16:41 GMT

In article <17j5jpINNec3@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>I received the following request for help via email.  If anyone has useful
>information for this person please post it.  Do NOT send it to me.

>Thanks

>(email from anonymous person):
>>I've been reading your group and have always thought we (My girlfriend
>>and I) could try this lifestyle but don't know of anyone in it.  I am located
>>in south eastern Virginia.  I remember that there was a place in Suffolk and
>>one in Gloucester I had heard about, there should be a beach somewhere near by
>>with Nags Head, Hatteras, Va Bch and Sandbridge.  How do we get started?

A landed group "White Tail Park[?]" is a bit west from Norfolk.  They
have a pool, sauna, hot tub, large grassy area, and hiking trails in the 
woods.  We joined in some pool games when we camped there.  There are a 
number of mobile homes permanently stationed in the woods.  One strange
point is that the sauna/hot tub building is some 50 meters from the
fenced in pool.  They have no beach or usable stream.  Some of the woods
is marshy (they have wooden walkways there) so you might want to bring
bug repellant.

You can probably find them in a phone book.

>Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
>aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
>middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"


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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: erection questions
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:39:30 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
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james joseph lysaght (jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu) wrote:
>
>Am I weird If i get an eraction while trying to urinate?
>
>No, but you will look weird in the postions you have to contort yourself
>into in order to aim that thing in the toilet!

Simple, stand on your head. It's known as the "Feynman Maneuver" 8-)

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From: ta66863@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero Kalevi)
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers : -)
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network FUNET
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:17:05 GMT

From article <3564@unisql.UUCP>, by wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie):
> In article <1992Aug29.084630.22035@news.cs.indiana.edu> alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:
>> They are exciting because you never see them, or "aren't supposed to."  
> 
> 	No, they're exciting because I associate them with femininity, a
> characteristic I find desirable in my companions :-)  Unless you're a 
> fellow nudist, I've probably seen more breasts in my life than _you_
> have, and I still love to watch them change shape as she moves, and the 
> way every woman's are different, and how the nipples go up and down... :-)

You Got IT !!!!

I'm another male with the same opinion. How many such opinions we need
to make it clear, that it's part of the "little difference" that makes
the breasts so stimulating. Not the fact they're usually and most of
the time covered.

Yours Tero.
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From: ypotlap@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: bare breasts
Reply-To: ypotlap@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu ( )
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:59:58 GMT

Regarding the reaction to bare breasts or nudity in general, only the social
conditioning of the other (clothed) person has been considered. We should 
also consider the behaviour of the person who is nude. If he/she appears 
embarassed or behaves provocatively, then the other person will also feel 
uncomfortable.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Yasho.
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From: mark@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Mad Netter)
Subject: Short Trip Report and Request for Info
Followup-To: rec.nude
Originator: mark@morningstar
Keywords: San Onofre
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:48:23 GMT



Went to the CO beach on San Onofre. Not my first time to such a beach, but
my first time in the U.S. (a couple of places on an island in Greece).  It
was a very nice experience.  You could definitely tell who the newbies were
(including my wife and I) by the tan lines.  One thing that I noticed were
the numbers of both men and women who completely shaved their pubic hair. I
hadn't noticed this in Greece (or Germany where I didn't go nude but I saw
lots of others who did).  Is this a trait of nudists in the states or do
a sizable number of people in the US do this?  Oh no, that sounds like a survey.

Anyhow, I'm going up to the Lompoc, Solvang area over the Labor Day weekend. Any
CO beaches or CO natural hot springs or CO anything in the area? I would 
appreciate any info.

Thanks,
Mark
From: afischl@meltdown.chi.il.us (Alex Fischl)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Other places to be nude.
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:44:57 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Hi,
        Sorry to stop discussing sex here (yeah right) but I actually have a
topic realting to nudity (and not sex) that I thought I would bring up.

     Most of the discussions here seem to be about nude beaches and resorts. 
Which is fine, there the most obvious places for nudsim to be an issue.  But a
few people have already mentioned that that's not the only issue.

     I read a article somebody cut out of a paper a few years ago that talks
about somebody in California being pulled over by a cop, and being taken to
court because he was driving without any clothes on.

        He was aquitted, the judge decided that being in your car was like
being in your house, your own property, and that "decency" standards didn't
apply.

     DOes anybody know if this decision still stands?  Could it be used in any
other states?

     I am interested because driving in the nude, late at night usually, is a
lot of fun, and I have been doing it on nice nights for a couple of years now. 
It completely differnt from being on the beach because you have changing
scenery, and the feel of the wind on your body.  And if it rains, just close
the window.  And even better, if it's too cold out to go to the beach (loike it
is most of the time in the midwest) you can just turn the heater on.

    If wearing clothes at the beach doesn't make sense, the doesn't wearing
clothes in the comfort of a climate controlled place like a car or apartmetn,
whenre you don't even need cloths for protection against the elements make even
less sense?

The Dragon Slayer
-Alex.
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: first time
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:10:39 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Fantastic article. Somebody archive this for future reference when people
ask what it's like the first time out!

--mark

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Gender & nudity
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BtIJGL.8GF@xrtll.uucp> stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes) writes:
>Women wear small hugging bathing suits while men tend to wear shorts.
>Women wear tight revealing clothing while men tend to wear baggy and long.
>    ....yet men find it easier to get naked?

	( These are my perceptions of common societal attitudes and
NOT my personal attitudes, OK???? :-)

	A woman's nudity says "Come and get me".  By exposing her body
she is saying "I'm willing to be reacted to and treated sexually".  Since 
this is generally viewed as desirable (oo, awful pun!) her only problem is
that she must control how loudly she says this (how much she exposes her
body).  A naked woman is sexy.

	A man's nudity says "I'm coming to get you".  By exposing his
body he is saying "I'm going to react to you sexually and interact with
you in a sexual manner".  Since this is generally viewed as threatening
his problem is to keep his body covered so that he never makes his sexuality
public.  A naked man is a threat and obscene.

	It's easier for him to get naked since he isn't subject to that
rule of implied consent: "She's naked so she wants me to act sexually 
towards her".  It's easier for her to wear minimal clothing since she
isn't considered a threatening obscenity.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CO along the CA coast?
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:33:29 GMT
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Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Organizaion: Intstitute for NonLinear Science, UCSD

In article <> nkraft@crash.cts.com (Norman Kraft) writes:
>My SO and I will be driving up the central CA coast this weekend,
>and we were wondering about CO beaches and other coastal options
>in the area between LA and San Francisco (exclusive). We plan to
>hit the coast just north of Santa Barbara, and cruise a bit up
>to San Simeon, and back. We're taking four days, and since we're
>much more explorers than drivers, it'll take every day of it! :)

Well, you should be taking Nude and Natural magazine, issue 11.4 which
just came out about a week ago has a nice roundup of CO beaches along
the CA coast.  I won't repost the whole thing but here are some places
you should look for in the Santa Barbara area:

Summerland Beach - South of S.B., easy access from 101.
More Mesa - north edge of S.B., take "Turnpike Road" exit south off of 101
	and ask directions at any gas station. 
Gaviota - doesn't get a lot of traffic and can be used for nudity.
Avila Beach near San Luis Obispo is a possibility also.
Going past San Simeon you'll find nude beaches at Pfeiffer Big Sur and
Molera State Park.

Most of these places you can find using maps and asking directions at gas
stations and/or small convenience stores.

You should pick up Dave Patricks book "California's Nude Beaches" before
you leave.  isbn #0-9614880-1-8

Also, some Hot Springs you might be interested in.

Las Cruces just off 101 at Cal 1 (which goes to Lompoc). Turn right and right
again to follow frontage road to stat park.  Enter and walk 1100 yds to the
spring.  Nudity can be a problem since it is in a state park and non-nudists
can easily get there.  But most people are cool so just check with the users
before taking your clothes off.

I also like Big Caliente in the Los Padres National Forest above Santa
Barbara.  That requires a long drive on unpaved forest service road.  Big
Caliente has "no nudity" signs which periodically get torn down because
the users like to get naked.  I used it nude and no one complained but only
3 or 4 other people were around.  Little Caliente is a little further down
the road and nudity is definitely allowed there.

Good luck.
Tom
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aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Andrew vs the Beaches
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:42:27 GMT


As we all know by now, Hurricane Andrew slammed through south Florida on
Monday morning, and is now headed for the Louisiana coast. I'm sure this
hasn't wiped out the determined free beachers of Florida, so let's hear
from you... are you still intact? What are your future plans?

I did read a comment on Delphi from a south Floridian who took a walk
along the beaches this morning, and found them truly bare.

Let me assure you that I am not trying to belittle this thing. I survived
Hurricane Hugo a few years back, and can empathize. Keep us informed of
what's happening down there.

--mark
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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Being Naked in Canada
Keywords: laws, police harassment
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:29:39 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Aug31.221444.13667@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>I have just been to both Wreck and Meech. Wreck Beach is truly a
>very large beach, while Meech is IMHO only good for launching your
>inflatable mattress and there's little room for anything else,
>not even for merely sitting around on lawn chairs.
>
>I wonder whether there is a CO beach larger than Wreck anywhere in Canada?

Larger?!?!?!?  No.  Wreck is, I think, considered the second largest CO
beach in North America (I don't know what the largest is) and is by far
the largest in Canada.

However, there are other beaches which are bigger than how you describe
Meech.

Incidentally, Brunswick Beach near Lion's Bay, BC (see the World Guide),
has been having some legal trouble lately.  A small group of rich residents
successfully obtained a BC Supreme Court injunction banning nudity there.
The case was hustled through the court before anyone could oppose it, but
the Wreck Beach Preservation Society (WBPS) helped fight the injunction
and it was overturned about two weeks later BY THE *SAME* JUDGE.  Judy
Williams of the WBPS feels that is a really important victory, but she
also expects the original plaintiffs to appeal the second decision.

She also told me of an amusing letter which Lee Baxandall sent to her.
It seems that the plaintiffs' lawyer send a letter to Lee informing him
of the court injunction and *ordering* him to cease publication and
distribution of the World Guide until the listing for Brunswick was
removed.

>>Most hot springs are accepted for nude use. Of course, they are
>>usually fairly remote.
>
>Please post their locations for the benefit of all if you can. Thanks.

Alas, you won't find *any* of them in your neck of the woods.  In fact
there are *none* east of the Rockies (none, nada, zip, zero, period).
Sorry.  <<If my info source is wrong about that, please do let me know.>>

So if you want to find some hot springs you'll have to travel (west to
BC, or south into the US).  To locate them there are several different
books.  I have one called "hot springs of western canada" (I think)
which claims to list *all* of the Canadian hot springs.  I can give
you the ISBN if you email me.  Other ones concentrate on the US, but
some include a few springs in BC.

Cheers. Bill.
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From: Rob_Stokes.Operations@QMail.SSC.Gov (Rob Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Pubic hair length(was: Short Trip Report and Request for Info)
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:13:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SSC Information Center

In article <1992Aug31.164823.28825@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>, mark@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Mad Netter) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Went to the CO beach on San Onofre. Not my first time to such a beach, but
> my first time in the U.S. (a couple of places on an island in Greece).  It
> was a very nice experience.  You could definitely tell who the newbies were
> (including my wife and I) by the tan lines.  One thing that I noticed were
> the numbers of both men and women who completely shaved their pubic hair. I
> hadn't noticed this in Greece (or Germany where I didn't go nude but I saw
> lots of others who did).  Is this a trait of nudists in the states or do
> a sizable number of people in the US do this?  Oh no, that sounds like a survey.
> 
> Anyhow, I'm going up to the Lompoc, Solvang area over the Labor Day weekend. Any
> CO beaches or CO natural hot springs or CO anything in the area? I would 
> appreciate any info.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> 
Mark,
I find probably 1 in 10 women have completely shaved their
pubic hair.  I've never given it much thought...  I made an
inquiry the first time I noticed my best friend had shaven
herself.  She did it because her boyfriend didn't like the hair
for alt.sex reasons.  I personally like close cut pubic hair.  I
don't like the way it looks when it's longer than a 1/2 inch and
wet (water wet, after going swimming.)
Rob Stokes
From: buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Concerns of a New Nudist
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:26:20 GMT
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <25AUG199209110111@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.200256.14156@ncsu.edu>, cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Hello. I must admit that I am not really a practicing nudist, but do enjoy 
>>in the raw walking around my house--- so this is all kinda new to me.
>> 
>>I don't know if I could ever get myself to be nude in public. Something
>>just wouldn't be right--- and I know what it is. The US culture is so
>>focused into sex, and the fact that I'm not yet twenty increases this
>>awareness of sex, sex, sex. Unfortunately, I have always equated nudity
>>with sex. I would be afraid that I might get out there and be humiliated.
>> 
>>I mean this seriously. I might see someone near my age and feel inadequate.
>>"Mine is not big enough, my body is not in as good as shape as these muscle
>>guys." I know someone out there is laughing, but I really wonder about
>>this.
>> 
>>I can't be the only person who has thought about this--can I? 
>
>No you aren't.  A lot of people avoid CO recreation because of how
>unattractive or inadequate that they think their bodies will appear.
>I think that younger people are more concerned about this.  (I know
>that I was when I was younger.)
>
>I hope that you do get the courage to try a CO beach or club.  If you
>do, you will soon realize that nobody there will laugh at your body
>or care how "well built" you are.  In fact, you will probably see
>many others who do not fit the popular image of attractiveness.
>
>Jeff

I was comfortable, until I saw some pictures of my bod (with
 textiles... I wasn't near a CO beach)... and well... I'm going
 at the gym for a while :-)  (PS: I'm 31..)
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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Solair this weekend (was: Re: An option to the s** word )
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 12:11:07 GMT

In article <ritter.715529579@claude>, ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter) writes:
|> Back to the true purpose of this group:  Anyone doing anything interesting
|> and nude over Labor Day weekend?  I'm hoping to get to a local club
|> (well, it's two hours drive away, but close enough) for a day; maybe
|> meet some net.friends there as well.  

Well, we're gonna be at Solair in Conneticut this weekend, as you well
know, Roger! We'll be arriving tonight around 9 or 10pm, and staying
until Monday sometime. It seems there will be a veritable party there.
6-10 people I know are making the trek, though we had one unfortunate
cancellation last night. If any other net.folk want to show up, we'd
love to see you.

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Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Gender & nudity
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:56:37 GMT

In article <BtIJGL.8GF@xrtll.uucp> stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes) writes:
>I've noticed an interesting difference between men and women when
>it comes to nudity.
>
>Of course, we all know that there tends to be more men than women on
>nude beaches.  However, beyond that, have you noticed that while women
>are more reluctant to go to nude beaches, and while women once there
>have a harder time getting completely nude,   most women wear clothing
>which is skimpier and more revealing then men.
>
>Women wear small hugging bathing suits while men tend to wear shorts.
>Women wear tight revealing clothing while men tend to wear baggy and long.
>    ....yet men find it easier to get naked?
>
>So, I guess that means that men learn that there are two states of dress:
>        With clothing or without
>While women learn there is but one state of clothing:
>        Semi - clad

Not being a woman, I can't necessarily speak for them, but I'd suspect
it's a matter of security--in our modern society where rape is prevalent,
I'd suspect many women would have problems with vulnerability, with so
many men around.

As for why men wear so much, then strip it off so fast... ya got me?!?
Maybe it's not considered masculine to wear very little and look like a
woman? :-)

--mark

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From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Erection???
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:00:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.213435.22217@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livy) writes:
>Hi all!
>
>  I have a question which may look pretty stupid,but still annoying me...
>  Going to nude beaches and seeing nude sexy girls don't lead to a fast
>  erection? Isn't that embarrasing a bit?
>  That's all...

Trust me, you will see _very few_ "sexy girls" at a nude beach. You won't
see a lot of centrefolds; what you will see are mainly real,
non-airbrushed, imperfect, slightly frumpy men & women. You probably won't
get turned on, but if you feel yourself becoming erect, just go for a
quick dip, or roll over. Don't sweat it.

--mark
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Vulnerablity
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:14:55 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug26.015637.28179@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>in our modern society where rape is prevalent, I'd suspect many women would 
>have problems with vulnerability, with so many men around.

	As if 6 square inches of cloth on your crotch is going to make
you any less "vulnerable to rape".  

	As if so many women get raped on nude beaches.  
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: TNS,NAC
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:31:21 GMT

In article <3576@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1457200029@igc.apc.org> naturist@igc.apc.org (Pat O'Brien) writes:
>>	Thanks. Any time we can be of assistance, please let us know.
>
>	Do you still cancel memberships if you hear rumors about people,
>or do you now wait for a conviction, or at least the trial?

Oh? I just readily gave my MasterCard number to Pat O'Brien over the phone.
I hope there will be no shady activity taking place using my card number.
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