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From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
Subject: RE: file header full on system disk
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:56:33 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <28SEP199209432503@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu
 (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
> In article <9209252307.AA28389@relay2.UU.NET>, "(Jon Pinkley, Westinghouse
> (216)486-8300 x1335)" writes...
>>INIT /HEADERS=xxx preallocates up to /maximum_files headers.  I
>>thought that the BACKUP truncation on restore was supposed to be
>>fixed in V5.5-2 (From a talk at the Spring DECUS on BACKUP)
> 
> 	Alternate would be to do the restore by first initializing the disk
> 	to the size you need and then doing the Restore, instead of letting
> 	restore do the init for you. (cept for stand alone, of course.)

No, that's exactly what we've been complaining to DEC about.  You can go
to all the trouble of initializing the disk with the desired number of
headers, use /NOINIT on the restore BACKUP command, and BACKUP still
insists on truncating INDEXF.SYS for you.  I hope it really is finally
fixed in v5.5-2.
--
Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
Subject: Re: SET WATCH
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:26:48 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct1.103338.3469@memstvx1.memst.edu>, I wrote:
> One thing I found out when trying to use it is that it requires CMKRNL as an
> AUTHORIZED privilege.  I used Ehud's PRCPRV to give an account CMKRNL to use
> SET WATCH, and it wouldn't work.  So, if you've got CMKRNL as a default priv,
> but not an authorized one, I don't believe that it will work.

Well, I'm wrong about this.  I'm not sure what was going on at the time (it's
been maybe a year since I was doing this), but I obviously mis-diagnosed it.
Sorry for any confusion.
--
Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
From: Arne Vajhxj <ARNE@ko.hhs.dk>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
Subject: Re: SET WATCH
Date: 01 Oct 1992 21:15:58 +0100
Organization: Macro32<==>Vmsnet.Internals Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

> (This applies to VMS V5.0 - V5.4-2.)
>
> SET WATCH FILE modifies flags in the P1 cell PIO$GW_DFPROT via a $CMEXEC call.
>
> *Supposedly* this cell used to hold the process default protection but is
> now obsolete (spare).
>
> Flag bits:      0 - major
>                 1 - control
>                 2 - attribute
>                 3 - dir ops
>                 4 - dump (misc things)
>                 5 - quota
>
> The messages are written via supervisor-mode ASTs to SYS$OUTPUT.
>
> However... I know SET WATCH FILE worked under VMS V5.0 but it hasn't worked
> for me since V5.2. I've eliminated lack of CMEXEC privilege as the problem.
> SDA shows the cell as containing %Xfa00 - an appropriate value for process
> default protection. When I use SET WATCH FILE the cell doesn't change.

SET WATCH FILE has worked for me with all the recent VMS versions (we are
now at V5.5-1).

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK

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From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals,vmsnet.sources.d
Subject: QSORT fixed in VMS 5.5-2
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:00:00 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

For all those people who have been supplying their own version
of QSORT for years and years:

VMS Version 5.5-2 Release Notes

3.12.5 Qsort Function - Problem Corrected.
In VMS Version 5.5-2 the qsort() function no longer corrupts the data sorted.
----------

Well, its about $*@&@&^ time!


Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: re: file header full on system disk
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:04:54 GMT

In article <1a2c3rINNik@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
...
> Are you sure about that?  I'd've thought that the code that prevents allocation
> of extension file headers for INDEXF.SYS would've been coded pretty deeply into
> the XQP.

The problem is a bit more subtle. The extention is trigered because the index
file is full and a header allocation fails. First step is to allocate a new
header for the index file 2nd extent... Go to step one. You need to force the
extent to be created BEFORE you fill all the headers.

~Paul
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
Subject: re: file header full on system disk
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:11:36 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

In article <1992Sep30.230454.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
|> The extention is trigered because the index file is full and a header
|> allocation fails. First step is to allocate a new header for the index
|> file 2nd extent... Go to step one.

So reserve (11,11,0) for this use. Once you allocate the first extent
pointer within that you reserve another FID to be the 3rd extent :-) Neil.
-- 
 Phone: +44 71 528 8282  E-mail: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk
 Anything is a cause for sorrow that my mind or body has made
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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: God and Golum, and the PDP-11
Followup-To: vmsnet.pdp-11
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:21:16 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Expires: 30 Oct 1992 23:23:23 EST
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: minor corrections
Keywords: Gollum, Gholem, Golem

An update to the Gollum/Gholem business:

fgrajkor@ccs.carleton.ca added the detail that the Jewish "Golem"
comes from a story set in Prague about a rabbi who constructs a
creature something like Frankenstein's Monster.

I misremembered the author of \The Soul of a New Machine/.  It was
Tracy Kidder, not Tracy Licklidder.  The book is an interesting 
story still: it sheds light on how a high-tech product is developed,
examining the interplay of personalities, technical resources,
deadlines, and market forces.

The article in BYTE magazine was "The AMSAT Golem-80" by Joe Kasser of
the Amateur Radio Satellite Corporation in Maryland.  This appeared in
the September 1979 issue, pages 182-195.  The machine was more an
experimenter's testbed than a finished product.  It sported an
"operating system" called AMS-80 that relied on punched paper tape for
storage.

-- 
 ....Richard S. Shuford  | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation;
 ....shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  but when the wicked rise to power, men go into
 ....BIX: richard        |  hiding."  Proverbs 28:12 NIV
From: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re: KERMIT for PDP-11 (RSX-11 and/or RT-11)
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:12:19 GMT
Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>
CC: info-pdp11@transarc.com

>The subject pretty much says it all.  I'd like the source code in FORTRAN or
>assembler because that's all I've got.  I can deal with 8" (yes, 8") floppies
>9 track tape 800/1600 CPI.  I have a PDP-11/70, an LSI-11/03, a couple of
>11/45s.

The source, in assembler, is available from watsun.cc.columbia.edu, if
I remember the nodename correctly. If you can't get them down to your
machine in any other way, I can write a tape for you (but I doubt
you'll need my help, since a lot of pdp-11 users exists closer to you
than I am. I'm in sweden).

>Many thanks,

You're welcome.

Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
CS student at Uppsala University  ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se       ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Subject: should NPG be cut for RX211?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:45:30 GMT

Does the NPG wirewrap need to be cut when installing an RX211 (Unibus
controller for RX02 floppy disk drives), or should it be intact?
Thanks,
Richard Chapman

Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: zcookbruc@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: should NPG be cut for RX211?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.183246.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
> In article <2OCT199217404845@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
>> 
>> 	If the board just has a jumper between the 2, (or nothing,) then the
>> 	jumper is not to be removed.
>> 
> 
> If there is no jumper or tracks, jumper them.
> 
>> 	If the board has traces going to and from those 2 fingers, then you
>> 	have to cut the jumper on the backplane.
>> 
> 
> When you have done all your boards, dike your DMA wraps forever...
> 
> ~Paul
> 

Paul told me this a while back, but I didn't realy beleive him until last
night when I had to get at a NPR jumper on a '70. Now I *REALY* beleive him
can you beleive that DEC put the NPR jumper right at the bottom of the wire
wrap pile - Almost imposible to get at - whay didn't it get put at the top.

...BRU
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: switch settings needed...help?
From: <young@ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:51:23 -0500
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <pat+@transarc.com>


	I've happened across a TU80 controller (M7454, quad) and a UDA-50
MSCP controller (M7485 & M7486, each hex) that I'd like to configure and
use. Would some kind soul be willing to send me a synopsis of the switch
settings for these boards? The UDA has but one switch pack on the M7485
board. The TU80 board also has one switch pack. These are Unibus, by the way.

	Mucho thanks in advance!

    |  Mike Young KA9HZE                |       young@ecn.purdue.edu    |
    |  Purdue University EE Dept.       |       ...!pur-ee!young        |
    |  W. Lafayette, IN  47907          |                               |
    _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Subject: Re: KERMIT for PDP-11 (RSX-11 and/or RT-11)
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:01:31 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.0.717596588.bqt@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> bqt@bern.docs.uu.se writes:
>>The subject pretty much says it all.  I'd like the source code in FORTRAN or
>>assembler because that's all I've got.  I can deal with 8" (yes, 8") floppies
>>9 track tape 800/1600 CPI.  I have a PDP-11/70, an LSI-11/03, a couple of
>>11/45s.
>
>The source, in assembler, is available from watsun.cc.columbia.edu, if
>I remember the nodename correctly. If you can't get them down to your
>machine in any other way, I can write a tape for you (but I doubt
>you'll need my help, since a lot of pdp-11 users exists closer to you
>than I am. I'm in sweden).

Those hexified kermit-executables can be uploaded to pdp-11 also from
terminal line. For RT-11 I modified the hex reader software which came
with the distribution so that it reads the hex code from the terminal
line instead of file (on disk/tape), and then I just pumped the stuff
from PC with the ascii upload. (The floppies of PDT-11/150 were much too slow
for COPY TT: file to work). So if anybody needs this program I can mail
it to you (after I have found it ;-). If you don't have macro assembler
for the RT-11, then that's still not a problem, because there's a elegant
hack to upload short/middlesize binary executables to RT-11 even without
any kind of transfer programs. (But this is left as an excercise for the
reader.)

--
Antti Karttunen / karttu@mits.mdata.fi / $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
 ++ Think positively, ota olvia, and vote YES!
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: should NPG be cut for RX211?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:32:46 GMT

In article <2OCT199217404845@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
> 
> 	If the board just has a jumper between the 2, (or nothing,) then the
> 	jumper is not to be removed.
> 

If there is no jumper or tracks, jumper them.

> 	If the board has traces going to and from those 2 fingers, then you
> 	have to cut the jumper on the backplane.
> 

When you have done all your boards, dike your DMA wraps forever...

~Paul

Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Subject: More stupid questions and some answers. (RX01 / RL02)
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:43:17 GMT

Some time ago I asked if it's possible to write protect eight inch
floppies. Some answers I got:
1) Make a 'hole' to about same place than where is the write-protection
hole of 5 1/4" floppies (although the function is inverse).
2) Make a hole, but to 'lower' edge instead. (One going to drive first).
3) Add a switch to RX01 controller. I think Johnny Billquist posted those
instructions also to this newsgroup.
4) It's not possible to write protect floppies in PDT-11/150 because
the drives are not standard RX01-drives.

Well, I guess I take the frequent backups then, sigh... Anyway, thanks
for all those who replied. (I still haven't had any time to open the
drives and see what they have eaten.)

Then another silly question:

In RL01/02 manual it is sternly warned that those diskpacks should never
be stored stacked on the top of each other (As I have always stored them,
with good success ;-), but there's no any explanation given why they
shouldn't.

My guesses:

1) Those three small magnets in the cover could damage the next disk?

2) Stacks of ten or more disks are easily toppled over by some dozing
operator in nightshift at 4 am?

3) To boost the sales of Digital's RL01/02-disk boxes?


If option 1 is correct, then I guess it's enough to put RL02 maintenance
logs/circuit diagrams between each diskpack...

--
Antti Karttunen / karttu@mits.mdata.fi / $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
 ++ Think positively, ota olvia, and vote YES!
From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re: should NPG be cut for RX211?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:33:55 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Oct6.203111.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zcookbruc@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.183246.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:
>> In article <2OCT199217404845@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
>>> 
>> 
>> When you have done all your boards, dike your DMA wraps forever...
>> 
>> ~Paul
>> 
> 
> Paul told me this a while back, but I didn't realy beleive him until last
> night when I had to get at a NPR jumper on a '70. Now I *REALY* beleive him
> can you beleive that DEC put the NPR jumper right at the bottom of the wire
> wrap pile - Almost imposible to get at - whay didn't it get put at the top.
> 
> ...BRU

Try getting at the DD11-DK in an 11X84. You have to remove the backplane in
some cases.....
-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op    HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."
From: silverm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Jeff Silverman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: KERMIT for PDP-11 (RSX-11 and/or RT-11)
Summary: I am looking for a KERMIT for a PDP-11 in either RSX or RT format
Keywords: KERMIT modem communications software
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:23:42 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

The subject pretty much says it all.  I'd like the source code in FORTRAN or
assembler because that's all I've got.  I can deal with 8" (yes, 8") floppies
9 track tape 800/1600 CPI.  I have a PDP-11/70, an LSI-11/03, a couple of
11/45s.

Many thanks,


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From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec
Subject: MINC-11 questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:01:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep30.150119.9940
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

I am trying to set up a MINC-11 and have several questions, if anyone can
help: 

1) What is the pinout of the connectors to the 4 ports on a DLV11-J
(4 SLU's) Q-bus card? There is currently a ribbon cable with a male DB-9
connector at the other end in each port connector on the card, but the
DB-9 does not appear to use the "modern" rs-232 pin assignment. Can anyone
tell me the pin assignment? 

2) The meanings of the switch settings on the BDV-11 boot/terminator card.

I would expect to be able to connect a VT-100 to the "console"  SLU port
and configure the switches to come up in some sort of ROM monitor, right?

Thanks a bunch, 
Richard Chapman
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss)
Subject: Re: should NPG be cut for RX211?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:44:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.204530.5941@cs.cornell.edu> chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman) writes:
>Does the NPG wirewrap need to be cut when installing an RX211 (Unibus
>controller for RX02 floppy disk drives), or should it be intact?
>Thanks,
>Richard Chapman
>


CUT!

 DMA device, definitely.


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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: God and Golum, and the PDP-11
Followup-To: vmsnet.pdp-11
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:22:35 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Expires: 30 Oct 1992 20:34:20 EST
NNTP-Posting-Host: alphard.cs.utk.edu
Summary: Gollum vs. Gholem

In article <2861@mitech.com>, George J. Carrette (gjc@mitech.com) 
follows up on his rumor of a "Gollum" computer within Digital and
says that Norbert Wiener wrote about a "Golum".

There are several connotations to the name here.

J. R. R. Tolkien's character in the Ring trilogy was "Gollum", who was
of the ancient race of Stoor, a precursor of the Hobbits, and was kind
of a nasty guy, given to sneaking up and strangling hapless victims.

In Tracy Licklidder's 1981 book \The Soul of a New Machine/, we find
the story of the development of Data General's Eclipse MV/2000
superminicomputer.  (This was the first attempt by a competitor of DEC
to build a "VAX Killer".)  There were two hardware prototypes of this
machine: the computer architect had wanted to name the two (supposedly
indistinguishable) prototypes "Coke" and "Pepsi", but one of the DG
hardware engineers decided that Pepsi had a kind of nasty personality
and renamed it "Gollum", after Tolkien's character.  Perhaps somebody
at Digital has referenced this, with tongue in cheek.

This may or may not be related to the Ashkenazic Jewish concept of the
"Gholem", a spooky kind of being, and a Yiddish kind of word.  I
believe that Norbert Weiner used this word.  Tolkien was learned in
many languages, and may have had some idea of the Gollum character
being like a Gholem, but this is not a likely thing, as most of
Tolkien's concepts came from Nordic sources.  But I rather think that
another author, Frank Herbert, did have this idea in mind when he
conjured up the "ghola" for his Dune series of books.

One more computer reference: an early issue (1977?) of BYTE magazine
contained an article called "Build the Gholem-80 Computer", a custom
design with an Intel 8080, if I recall correctly.

-- 
 ....Richard S. Shuford  | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation;
 ....shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  but when the wicked rise to power, men go into
 ....BIX: richard        |  hiding."  Proverbs 28:12 NIV
From: cstevens@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: ftp on pdp?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Does anyone out there know of any ftp software that will run on a pdp-11? and
if so who has it? Is there an ftp accessible archive for pdp-11 software
somewhere out there?
Hopefully waiting
Chris Stevens Clarendon Ultrafast spectroscopy group
CSTEVENS@UK.AC.OX.VAX
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: MINC-11 questions
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:33:10 +1200
Organization: The Wolery

In article <1992Sep30.150119.9940@cs.cornell.edu>, chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman) writes:
> 1) What is the pinout of the connectors to the 4 ports on a DLV11-J
> (4 SLU's) Q-bus card? There is currently a ribbon cable with a male DB-9
> connector at the other end in each port connector on the card, but the
> DB-9 does not appear to use the "modern" rs-232 pin assignment. Can anyone
> tell me the pin assignment? 

Well, I don't know the full pinout, but a bit of meter work on a KA630 
distribution panel (which I'm pretty sure is the same) reveals:

Looking down into the 10-way sockets on the board:

        1         9
         . g . t .
         . r   . .
        2         10

(g = Ground, r = Receive, t = Transmit)

A quick squiz at the tracks on a real DLV11-J tends to confirm this
arrangement.

As to the DB9: Basically, translate the DB25 pinout pin for pin, at least 
for the data lines (the signal lines differ slightly, mainly due to the 
fact there's no pin 20 on a DB9!), ie 2=Tx, 3=Rx, 7=Gnd.  From (possibly 
faulty) memory, RTS, CTS, DSR & DCD are where you expect them to be, ie pins 
4, 5, 6 & 8 respectively, and pin 9 is DTR.  I'm not sure about pin 1; I 
thought it was RI, but the KA630 panel insert has it strapped to the 
chassis.

Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                       don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre           don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand             +64-4-495-5052
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