HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: vegetarianism
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:47:30 GMT

lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
: In article <1992Jul17.192308.28944@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes: 
: 
: >You could live without the plants for food. It would require supplements,
: >just like for vegetarians - but could be done. 
: 
: At the risk of injecting a note of reality into the proceedings, living
: without both plants and animals seems to leave you with filterable viruses,
: bacteria and (possibly) blue green algae as food sources. I think you would
: need rather more than these vague 'supplements' (made from what?) to
: continue to exist.

To inject even more reality. Viruses, bacteria and algae are either plants
or animals - although some have traits of both.

: Or are you suggesting that, like some yogi claim, the spiritually
: enlightened can live on air?

No, just using plant and animal in terms of the final food source, not
considering what they consumed to become that food.

: Curious

I think you were just picking at nits. :-)

Bill
From: chhibber@andromeda.rutgers.edu (The Purple Cow)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: CBN says earth is okay
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:40:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>(ps. This news article was on the 700 Club, so it might not be very
>accurate...)

THE 700 CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Get real!  It is definately not accurate!!!
  Don't you have anything better to do?  If you keep watching 700 club
you'll never get anything done......let alone destroy the earth!!

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Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: CBN says earth is okay
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:41:13 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Well, I was bored last night and watching CBN (yuck...), and they had a news
article on saying that man's attempt to destroy the earth was not working --
the earth is in a lot better shape than the mediots are telling us.

Oh, please say this isn't so! Have all our attempts to now been in vain?

Brandon Cope

(ps. This news article was on the 700 Club, so it might not be very
accurate...)
From: Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: CBN says earth is okay
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:15:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

whoever said that on CBN is really full of it.  it's been predicted
that in about 40 yrs almost all of our resources will disappear and the
human population will reach 9 billion.   that sucks, but obviously
somethings gotta give soon.  AIDS will help, im sure....

-Karen Reed
From: clf@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: CBN says earth is okay
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:41:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <1992Jul27.151524.22930@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko) writes:
> whoever said that on CBN is really full of it.  it's been predicted
> that in about 40 yrs almost all of our resources will disappear and the
> human population will reach 9 billion.   that sucks, but obviously
> somethings gotta give soon.  AIDS will help, im sure....
> 
> -Karen Reed


     AIDS will not help enough.  The human race needs some real leadership to
control population grow and begin to develop a policy of making QUALITY humans,
not QUANTITY humans.  Until that day, this planet is doomed to overpopulation
by masses of human animals.

Zero
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: garbett@utkvx4.utk.edu (Garbett, Shawn)
Subject: Re: CBN says earth is okay
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.114114.152@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>Well, I was bored last night and watching CBN (yuck...), and they had a news
>article on saying that man's attempt to destroy the earth was not working --
>the earth is in a lot better shape than the mediots are telling us.
> 
>Oh, please say this isn't so! Have all our attempts to now been in vain?
> 
>Brandon Cope
> 
>(ps. This news article was on the 700 Club, so it might not be very
>accurate...)
> 
> 

Don't you understand, CBN is on OUR side. They keep the masses of dupes
content that everything is all right so that we can continue our operations.
If anyone every questions what your doing (i.e. Dumping Dioxin in a lake),
just tell them to watch CBN and get with the program. 

Also who let it leak to the press about the new strain of AIDS. This
was supposed to be secret until at least the West coust(sp?) was infected. I
think we must have a security leak somewhere.

Secret message to all Overmen: ovEk to #sasdewe@a a asdew as ew sd
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: dpiponi@bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk (Daniele Piponi)
Subject: 3d fractals
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:23:31 GMT
X-Posted-From: bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Has anyone any suggestions as to how to render acceptable images of
3 dimensional fractals. I've been doing 3d slices of the 4d quaternionic
Mandelbrot set. If I calculate points to a resolution of, say, 600 by
600 I get acceptable images (really bizarre stuff!) but as the program  
takes of the order of (resolution)^3 time to run I'd like to do  
calculations at, say, 200 by 200 resolution and smooth it out to get an  
acceptable 600 by 600 picture. If I try to linearly interpolate the  
shading then the triangles I use show up badly. I tried replacing every  
point by a shaded sphere so that the only unobscured parts of a sphere  
would have the correct angle to my light source but it doesn't really work  
(looks curious though). I've tried various smoothing algorithms but they  
don't seem to give good results unless I wait for 6 hours.

So, given a 3d fractal defined by Z-heights on an X-Y grid what's a good  
way to fill in between my sampled points to give an acceptable looking  
(though not necessarily accurate) picture?

Maybe I just have to wait 6 hours - they're worth the wait!

--
/\___/\
\/o o\/        mail to udah001 @ elm.cc.kcl.ac.uk
 \_._/ Dan Piponi  dpiponi @ maths1.mth.kcl.ac.uk
From: jme4@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Ehrlinger)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Where can I find Fractint for DOS?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: jme4@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Ehrlinger)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Hi All,

	Could someone direct me to an FTP site where I can find the
latest version of FRACTINT for DOS.

	Thank you for your help.
	--John
From: loescher@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Stephan Loescher)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals.pictures
Subject: TEST
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:28:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: Informat.1992Jul21.112845.5282
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Originator: loescher@hphalle2a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de


It's only a test!

S.L.
From: ajtd@st-andrews.ac.uk (Antony J. T. Davie)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: xfractint
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:26:24 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

>>I've just ported xfractint to my sparcstation running SunOS and Openwindows
>>but can't make it work. It doesn't seem to want to accept any input
>>characters interactively. I understand that at least one other person has
>>had similar difficulties. Has anyone a solution?
>
>>Tony Davie
>
>Perhaps you don't have this in your .Xdefaults??? :
>
>OpenWindows.FocusLenience:      True
>
>Mike

YES -- this works as a colleague of mine also told me. Thanks. Why does
nobody KNOW these OBVIOUS things. I still haven't had time to find
out what this means but it WORKS.

Tony
From: Henderson@cup.portal.com (Ray - Henderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: I need fractal image for publication
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:07:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa



I am currently searching for fractal images that could be
used on a book cover.

I could use a photographic print, a slide, or perhaps an electronic
file (for the mac)...but it would need to be high resolution.

I'm willing to pay a modest price...can anyone help put me
in touch with a source?

Custom fractal generation to match our theme would be especially 
interesting if there are any fractal artists listening...

henderson@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: luck@lunatix.uucp (Kevin Luck)
Subject: 1/f noise
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 253-1481 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:09:09 GMT
Keywords: 1/f,fractal,music,noise,pascal,infield fly rule

   Well, I've been monitoring the fractal groups, and there
doesn't seem to be much going on in this so:

   Is anyone else here interested in 1/f noise, aka fractal
music?  I've been studying it more or less on my own for quite
some time now, and was wondering if anyone else had done anything
on it--ie, programs, research papers, etc.?  I've only been able
to find a few sources, and most of them too old to be of any use.
I'm putting together a small program using Richard F. Voss'
algorithm (see "White, Brown, and Fractal Music", _Fractal_Music,
Hypercards,_and_More_, by Martin Gardner {Very good read}) and
just wanted to see if anyone else had had any luck re good
params, modalities, etc.

   Please reply by mail to the above address or to
S0EV@TRANSY.BITNET.  Thank You.
From: bestul@umiacs.umd.edu (Thor Bestul)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Self-Squared Fractal Dragon
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:39:01 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

My little girl was attracted by the picture of the Self-Squared
Fractal Dragon which appears on the cover of Mandelbrot's book.
I think this is some sort of Julia set rendition.  Does anyone
know where I can get an electronic version of this Dragon as it
appears on Mandelbrot's book?

bestul@asgard.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: todd@unislc.uucp (Todd Williams)
Subject: Re: xfractint
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:02:59 GMT

yavuz@bnr.ca (Yavuz Onder) writes:

>Just to make it specific, the text window (an xterm in my case, and I assume
>in yours too) is the one that stays "deaf". Your input to the graphics window
>will be heard (this is the case for me anyway). Of course this makes disk-video
>mode completely unusable. 

I ported it to a Unisys workstation ( 386 running SVR3 ) and get exactly
the same behavior.  Also, it runs extremely slow ( the dos version running
under merge on the same machine is ~3 times faster, and a 8MHz 286 PC is
twice as fast ).
I haven't had time to debug, but would be happy to here of any fixes...


  todd@unislc.slc.unisys.com   or   todd@icarus.weber.edu

  My opinions are generally unrepeatable, therefore my employer
  disclaims all knowledge of them...
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Where can I find Fractint
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SataLink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 

JM> Could someone direct me to an FTP site where I can find the
JM>latest version of FRACTINT for DOS.

Tinothy Wegner uploads new versions of Fractint to the SIMTEL20
archives (in the <MSDOS.GRAPHICS> libraries as FRA*.ZIP - the
exact filenames depend on the version number).  Since the latest
public version is several months old, it should have long since
made it to all the various SIMTEL mirror sites by now.

(Sorry for not being more specific.  I don't have FTP access via
this BBS.)

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
---
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown)
Subject: Does it end???
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:10:21 GMT

I have a question for all of you fractal freaks out there that I have
been wondering about for a long time.  At the far left end of the
mandelbrot set, as with many other fractals, there is a progressively
thinner line of black, as shown in the ascii pic below.  If you
continue to zoom in on the tip, it seems to never end.  However,
looking at a full scale picture of the Mandelbrot set, it definitely
must end somewhere, because it is essentially a straight line with
some bubbles coming off of it to the sides.  My question is this:  if
I got in a spaceship and flew down a 3D mandelbrot canyon, travelling at
a constant velocity, would I not eventually pass the ending point? I
realize that I could of course fly over a jagged line which is
infinitely long in a finite time, but this line is not jagged.  It
just gets progressively thinner, but nonetheless you can draw a line
from the center of the big bubble and extend it out to the left, and
this line must have a finite length, musn't it?  I'd appreciate any
help you can give me on this one.  
                 
                 /~~~\
                |     \    
   --> -o--=O===|     |
                |     /   
                 \___/

Thanks!

karl
kbrown@ichips.intel.com
-- 
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-----------------------------------|  Ere the base laws of servitude began
 "Do or do not.  There is no try." |  When wild in woods the noble savage ran"
From: ychung@laplace.waterloo.edu (Young Chung)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: PMFRACT  -- 32 bit version, where?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:15:48 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

As the title says, I'm wondering if the 32-bit version of PMFRACT is
available in ftp sites.  Being unfortunate to not have access to
CompuServe, I can't get the program.  Would any kind soul direct me to the
right FTP site or upload it to a site such as hobbes or wustl?

thanks in advance.


-------------
How long do those Energizers last anyway?
                                          I don't know, I have rechargables.
============================================================================
Young  --:#)  ychung@descartes.waterloo.edu
============================================================================
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: PMFRACT
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: SataLink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324

HS>  OK, my apologies for offending you on the File/New idea.

No offense taken - I was just strongly expressing my views, which I tend
to do from time to time <grin>.

HS>Perhaps you're right, though.  This belongs in alt.fractals.  I have
HS>taken the liberty of cross-posting to that group for responses.

I'm replying in alt.fractals, but not crossposting to the OS/2 group,
under the theory that most of the OS/2 folks aren't interested in
fractals.  The fact that I never *did* figure out how to cross-post
using this BBS software has nothing to do with it.  No, really...

HS>  I do like the PM interface much better, however.  The Windows
HS>interface you wrote I never did get used to.  I liked the DOS
HS>interface OK, but everything was non-visual and keyboard-driven, and
HS>so it was easy to abandon it for a snazzier windowed interface.

No problem - difference of opinion is what makes horse racing
possible.  You mean you don't like guessing what Fractint is going
to do with your next keystroke? <grin>

HS>One advantage of PMFRACT has nothing to do with the interface, however.
HS>It runs in background under OS/2 better than in Windows, as does
HS>everything.  And with a 32-bit version, I'm sold.

I'm a Windows fanatic in general, but you'll never hear me defend
co-operative multitasking <grin>. 32-bit capability appeals to me
as well.  Being a Windows fanatic, though, I'll be looking at NT
rather than OS/2 - another good reason not to cross-post my response
to the OS/2 forums.

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
---
 . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #343sa . Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
                      
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: krzys@icase.icase.edu (Krzysztof Wlodarski)
Subject: Prof. M. F. Barnsley's e-mail address 
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:50:58 GMT

Does anyone know  Prof. Barnsley's e-mail address?
Is he still at GA Tech?  
Any help will be appreciated,

Krzysztof Wlodarski
<krzys@cims.nyu.edu> or
<krzys@icase.icase.edu>
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Does it end???
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:21:56 GMT
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown) says:

>I have a question for all of you fractal freaks out there that I have
>been wondering about for a long time.  At the far left end of the
>mandelbrot set, as with many other fractals, there is a progressively
>thinner line of black, as shown in the ascii pic below.  If you
>continue to zoom in on the tip, it seems to never end.  However,
>looking at a full scale picture of the Mandelbrot set, it definitely
>must end somewhere, because it is essentially a straight line with
>some bubbles coming off of it to the sides.  My question is this:  if
>I got in a spaceship and flew down a 3D mandelbrot canyon, travelling at
>a constant velocity, would I not eventually pass the ending point? I
>realize that I could of course fly over a jagged line which is
>infinitely long in a finite time, but this line is not jagged.  It
>just gets progressively thinner, but nonetheless you can draw a line
>from the center of the big bubble and extend it out to the left, and
>this line must have a finite length, musn't it?  I'd appreciate any
>help you can give me on this one.  
>                 
>                 /~~~\
>                |     \    
>   --> -o--=O===|     |
>                |     /   
>                 \___/

Assuming that I understand what you're talking about and that my math is
correct:

Consider the point (-1,0).  The next term you get is (0,0), then (-1,0)
(Or am I in the julia set?    Oh well, if I'm making a fool of myself
someone will tell me and I will be wiser.)  To the direct right of this,
the line that is on the inside of the set continues, with projections up
and down.


It doesn't go any farther left than this, I believe, because the
iteration gitters but slowly grows larger...

A question of my own:  What of the protrusion (Not shown in the above
drawing) from the right of the M set, towards the center.  Just how far
left does this go?  To just short of (0,0)?
>
>Thanks!
Glad to help, hope I was at least sorta close.
>
>karl

Jeff
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From: hilljr@jupiter.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jay R. Hill)
Subject: Re: Does it end???
Keywords: Mandelbrot limits
Organization: SAIC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:19:32 GMT


In a previous article, bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
>>
>>                 /~~~\
>>                |     \
>>   --> -o--=O===|     |
>>                |     /
>>                 \___/


>A question of my own:  What of the protrusion (Not shown in the above
>drawing) from the right of the M set, towards the center.  Just how far
>left does this go?  To just short of (0,0)?


The largest real number in the Mandelbrot set is +0.25.

Complex numbers in the Mandelbrot set can have real parts greater than
0.25 however.

    J. R. Hill
From: sabattin@cs.unibo.it (Paolo Sabattini)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Documentation on Barnsley's compression
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:56:08 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, University of Bologna, Italy



University of Bologna, 18/07/92
From Paolo Sabattini : EMail sabattin@cs.unibo.it

   I'm a student in computer science and I'm looking for documentatio
n and programs about fractals, Barnsley's theorem of Collage, and
image compression with fractal methods.
   If you have some information about this argument,please contact me
at the E-Mail address :
                              
                            sabattin@cs.unibo.it
or send me the documetation via newsgroup in alt.fractals.


     Thank you very much.
                                                     Paolo Sabattini
From: eesfd@gdr.bath.ac.uk (F Dudbridge)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Prof. M. F. Barnsley's e-mail address
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:32:42 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

In article <BryHKy.Ey2@news.larc.nasa.gov> krzys@icase.icase.edu (Krzysztof Wlodarski) writes:
>Does anyone know  Prof. Barnsley's e-mail address?
>Is he still at GA Tech?  

Barnsley left GA tech in 1987 to form Iterated Systems.  Most of his colleagues
from the ifs papers went with him, including Sloan, Demko, Elton, Withers etc.

They're not on email.  In fact the overriding impression is that they don't
want to communicate with anybody.  They don't have an internal LAN and in fact
the company's employees are not all allowed to talk to each other !

The address is
Iterated Systems, Inc.
Suite 650
5550-A Peachtree Parkway
Norcross
GA 30092
Tel. 404-840-0633

However there is --no chance-- that you'll get any technical information from
Barnsley beyond what is in the papers (which are years out of date now).  What
you will get is a very compelling sales pitch which should nevertheless be
taken with a large pinch of salt.

Frank the Fractal Freak, f.dudbridge@bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: kbrown@ichips.intel.com (Karl Brown )
Subject: Does it end???
Originator: kbrown@cardshark
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:26:52 GMT

I have a question for all of you fractal freaks out there that I have
been wondering about for a long time.  At the far left end of the
mandelbrot set, as with many other fractals, there is a progressively
thinner line of black, as shown in the ascii pic below.  If you
continue to zoom in on the tip, it seems to never end.  However,
looking at a full scale picture of the Mandelbrot set, it definitely
must end somewhere, because it is essentially a straight line with
some bubbles coming off of it to the sides.  My question is this:  if
I got in a spaceship and flew down a 3D mandelbrot canyon, travelling at
a constant velocity, would I not eventually pass the ending point? I
realize that I could of course fly over a jagged line which is
infinitely long in a finite time, but this line is not jagged.  It
just gets progressively thinner, but nonetheless you can draw a line
from the center of the big bubble and extend it out to the left, and
this line must have a finite length, musn't it?  I'd appreciate any
help you can give me on this one.  
                 
                 /~~~\
                |     \    
   --> -o--=O===|     |
                |     /   
                 \___/

Thanks!

karl
kbrown@ichips.intel.com
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