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From: schertz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sara Schertz)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:09:05 GMT

I don't think there is anything wrong with listening to JCS (in fact, I am
right now!) It is not accurate, and should not be used for learning the _facts_
of the gospel. But then, no music should be used as a replacement for the
Bible.

BUT.....JCS is a very emotional, dramatic piece of work that *can* be used
(if "used" is a good word for music) to give more emotion and reality to events
that took place almost 2000 years ago that often seem rather distant.

What I mean is this. After a few years of being a Christian and attending 
church/Bible studies, and so on, you tend to hear the same thing over and over,
and it is easy to forget that this was _real_, these are _real_ people, not
just words on a page. If you open your Bible and read about Pilate giving
Christ the 39 lashes, can you see Jesus's face? Can you hear the sound of the
whip, can you see His pain...in short, does it seem REAL? Probably no. But 
listen to the minute or so of this event re-enacted in Jesus Christ Superstar,
and all this becomes real, in your face (ok, ears :)) -- just like real life.
When I listen to that part of Jesus Christ Superstar, it reinforces for me
the terrible price Jesus had to pay. It makes His life and His _pain_ more
real.

And the same with several other scenes, including the Crucifixion and the scene
at Gethsemane. Are they completely accurate? No. Would I depend on them for my
information, or quote them to a non-believer in a discussion? _Definately_not_.
But, for me, they provide a way to _feel_ what the events of the gospel were
like.

It's kind of like illustrations in a book. Take the text away and you have
practically nothing...no story, distorted images, and no coherence.But the text
alone, while complete and accurate, may lack emotion and feeling that you just
_can't_ get from words on the page. Illustrations provide something to appeal
to the emotional, sensory side of the brain. Not neccessary, but certainly a
plus.

So, in short, look upon Jesus Christ Superstar as emotional illustrations that
can accompany the gospel, but nothing more than illustrations....incomplete
without the text by its side.

--Wow, I didn't mean to write so much!! This is what happens when I stay up
till 3 one night and then sit here hopelessly tired and unable to sleep!!

-Sara
From: haysdp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Contradictions about the person writing the Contradiction posts
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:37:29 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Hello there gang,

	I am just writing to tell you that the person who wrote the
Contradictions about God, doen't respond to anything that anyone says. I would
suggest that you just disregard anything in the future that he might post on
this newsgroup. He has been pouting many Christian News groups with his
garbage. I have friends who know who this person is and have tried to talk to
him. He is very closed minded and will not even read the responses to what he
writes. He spends a lot of time to write these things. So I would suggest to
just leave it alone if he writes again!

Thanks

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From: cdelaney@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuck Delaney)
Subject: Re: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:15:40 GMT

I have a couple of favorites in this category.

One, which I think was alluded to in the original post, is called "Driving
Nails", by Bruce Carroll.  It's not really first person, but it talks about
Mary at three times in Jesus's life, with the sound of driving nails tying
the three vignettes together.

Another is "Joseph's Song" from Michael Card's _The Final Word_.  Joseph
wonders how he, a simple carpenter, can raise a king, the Son of God.  On
another of the albums in Michael's _The Life_ trilogy is a song called
"Forgiving Eyes", the "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
story from the adulteress's perspective.

Yet another, while I'm at it, is "First Farewell".  This is an oldie; I
can't recall the artist (solo male), but it is sung by Christ himself to
His disciples at the Last Supper.

I'll probably think of more as soon as I post this ;-).

Peace.

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From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: RAVE artists?
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:01:04 GMT

In <uscream.724400204@mcl> uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:

>Blonde Vinyl is another record company that has started a subgroup
>called Salva.  You can contact Salva directly by snail mail
>SALVA MUSIC
>PO Box 200255-106
>Austin, TX 78720

Just a minor spelling error (which Diane knows about now....)
That's SLAVA -- the English spelling of the Russian Cryllic letters...

	CLABA  (well, the L looks different, but if you know Russian, you 
		understand me.....)
Zdractbcuyte!  (ha!)

Eilidh Swan
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:59:00 GMT

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>In article <nestabro.724347804@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

>>My desire is for my life to be such that NO one in the world can say, "yeah,
>>right, he's a Christian, look, he does so and so".  

>Good luck, Noel.  They said it about Christ two thousand years ago.
Touche.  Good point.  Good form!
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From: barn@convex.com (Tim Barney)
Subject: More music w/o rock
Summary: more good sources w/o rock beat
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:35:40 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I forgot/lost some email with 2 good sources for music without
a rock beat (for those with this conviction). And now, thank you
all for your suggestions, and goodbye. May God direct your steps
as He conforms you to the image of our Lord Jesus Christ, Tim
Prov 3:6, 19:9  II Cor. 3:18

From: markc@xxxxxxx
Tim, Don't forget the two music ministries I mentioned:

   Sacred Music Ministries in Greenville S.C. (This work was started, I
believe, by Tim Fischer who is a graduate of Bob Jones University.  All the
music I have received to date has been very edifying and has not contained
any beat at all.  Most of the music is soloists, quartets, instrumentals of
mostly hymns.

   Majesty Music (also in Greenville, SC) was started by Ron Hamilton.
Ron had eye surgery and wears a patch.  He started a children's ministry
by the name of "Patch the Pirate" with every tape having some good
object lesson (selfishness, servanthood, associations with friends, etc)
Most of the songs on the tapes are original and some of the tapes have
started to get borderline (like the "Misterslippi Race which doesn't have a
drum beat but does contain one song with a bass beat") but others are
quite good (His latest, "Starry Knight" is actually quite good and has a
great lesson on being a servant).  His "adult" tapes are a combination
of hymns and original music.
I don't recall any music that is questionable.  He writes quite a few 
cantatas (Christmas and Easter) which are quite good.
-- 
Tim Barney, Convex Computers - Livonia,Michigan Office: barn@convex.com
My opinions are just that - opinions and mine at that.
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: More music w/o rock
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:07:44 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

>    Sacred Music Ministries in Greenville S.C. (This work was started, I

>    Majesty Music (also in Greenville, SC) was started by Ron Hamilton.

If you like accapella music (ie. quartets, sextets, octets, etc.),
Media Ministries, the media arm of the Mennonite Church has 5
tapes available of music culled from past albums of music by
the singers on the Mennonite Hour, a radio program which used to be
aired weekly.

Disclaimer:  my parents sang on some of the albums in college, but other
             than that, no association with Media Ministries.
                         - tom
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:31:35 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

In article <1992Dec14.183643.2323@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>Non-legalistic churches
>certainly have their own problems, chief among which is the tendency
>toward license and conformity with the world.

I think there's also a certain pride that goes with being non-legalistic.
This is at least as much of a danger as conformity with the world, I think.
Paul was speaking to both camps...
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From: horst@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Horst Hogenkamp)
Subject: Christian Reggae ?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:16:00 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.


Does anyone know of any christian reggae?


Please answer via e-mail, I will summarise.


Thanks,


Horst
.
From: mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 1st Person Life of Christ music?
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:53:22 GMT
Organization: Micronav International

In article <1992Dec14.125721.4548@cas.org> lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>What are some of your favorite songs, written as if spoken/sung by the
>singer, dealing with events in the life of Christ?

>For instance, Michael Card has the song about Simeon holding the baby
>Jesus in the Temple.  Amy Grant has Breath of Heaven - Mary singing after
>the birth of Jesus.  Don Franscisco has several songs about Peter.  I
>hear a song sung as if by Christ as he grows up, dealing encounters with
>nails.  Another song played a lot around here is called 'Watch the Lamb'
>dealing with the events of the day of the Crucifixion.

>What other songs are there?  I would LOVE to see a list of songs which
>would span the time frame from Mary's first encounter with the angel through
>the final Ascention - seems like it would be a great list to gather together
>and play during the holidays...


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One of my favorites is Ray Boltz' song 'The Hammer'.  It is the story of a 
Roman centurian who is outraged at the crucifixtion, and then he discovers 
the hammer is in his own hand.  REALLY POWERFUL!!

Merry Christmas!!

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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:07:14 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>     The NAS is the most accurate LITERAL translation - this means that the
> sentence structure is messed up sometimes and it's a little less readable
> because of it.
> 
>     The NIV on the other hand sacrifices a little bit of LITERAL accuracy
> for readability sake, but it is IMHO the best currently available.
> 
>      Chris ACE Stigers     -      stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu
> 

Also check out the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV).  I've found it to be
quite accurate.

Evan

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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:39:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1g0ksmINNnnf@coral.bucknell.edu> amarante@bucknell.edu (gregory amarante `94) writes:

>2.  The Spirit gives us discernment.  If there is something wrong with the music
>we are listening to then the Spirit will let us know, but we must be willing to
>accept what the Spirit says and not convince ourselves of the wrong thing.  Be
>faithful and listen.

I agree, except that something that is "not profitable" for one person may 
be profitable for another.  I am becoming convinced that just because I have 
prayed concerning something, and God told me that it is wrong for me to do it, 
that does not mean that it is wrong for everyone.

Ted

p.s. What is your reaction to this situation?  A very honest, mature Christian 
     prays about a certain situation.  Believes with every ounce of his spirit 
     that he receieves a positive answer from God.  Another very honest, 
     mature Christian that the first confides in, prays to God and feels that 
     he receives a negative answer from God.

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
From: whelan@coral.bucknell.edu (The Blue Adept)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:38:18 -0500
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu

This is only a test.
If it were real, useful words would be here.
From: petra@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What are your favorite Christian Christmas albums?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:48:10 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <tcryal.724026116@pv3440.vincent.iastate.edu> tcryal@iastate.edu (Ford Prefect) writes:
>In <1992Dec10.183009.21529@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>
>
>>I love White Heart's version of "Little Drummer Boy."  Is it on one of their
>>albums?  Or any other Christmas compilation album?
>
>   It is on an album entitled _Christmas_, put out by Sparrow a few years
>back.  I believe it's also on White Heart's _Souvenirs_, a compilation that
>they put out two(?) years ago.  (I wouldn't quote me on the last one, but I
>think I remember seeing it there.)  Anyway, hope this helps.

Yes, you're correct, "Little Drummer Boy" is on _Souvenirs_ too.  In reply
to another post, this is the title to White Heart's compilation album; it is
not _Portriat_.  
Hey, does anyone else also like Steve Taylor's unique rendition of "Winter
Wonderland" on the same _Christmas_ album?  :-D  ;-)

>>    Mike
>
>Tod

Jeanne





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From: dianebi@ice.wv.tek.com (Diane Biernat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Old Christian Music (Latin)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:22:15 GMT
Reply-To: dianeb@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Wilsonville, OR

Susan,

Here are the Latin words to the songs you requested.  
I tried to send them to you via email but it kept
bouncing back to me.    If you'd like a copy of the
music, send me your fax number or mailing address, 
and I'd be happy to send a copy to you. 

         VENI, VENI EMMANUEL

Veni, veni Emmanuel!  Captivum solve Israel
Qui gemit in exilio, Privatus Dei Filio.
Gaude, Gaude, Emmanuel, Nascetur pro te, Israel.

Veni, O Jesse Virgula!  Ex hostis tuos ungula
De specu tuos tartari, Edue, et antro barathri.
Gaude, Gaude, Emmanuel  Nascetur pro te, Israel.


           ADESTE FIDELES

Adeste, Fideles, laetri triumphantes;
Venite, venite in Bethlehem:
Natum videte Regem Angelorum:
Venite, adoremus, 
Venite, adoremus,
venite, adoremus, Dominum.

En grege relicto, humiles ad cunas 
Vocati pastores approperant:
Etnos ovanti gradu festinemus:
Venite, adoremus,
Venite, adoremus,
Venite, adoremus, Dominun.

Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine,
Gestant puellae viscera.
Deum verum, Genitum nonfactum,
Venite, adoremus,
Venite, adoremus,
Venite, adoremus, Dominum.
From: uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: RAVE artists?
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:16:44 GMT

In <1992Dec9.143335.533@lrc.edu> twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:


>	I know there's been a lot of questions about certain types
>of music among Christian bands; heavy metal, rap, ska, industrial, etc.

>	But I've got a really hard one for everybody:

>	What about Christian techno / house / break beat artists?  I'm
>a dj who spins at raves, and lately I've been wondering about this.  
>Raves and techno music are fairly new on the American forefront, so
>I'm not sure if there are any Christian artists taking advantage of it
>yet, but if there are, please let me know.  Thanks!


>						Increase the Peace!!!

There are lots of bands that are getting into that.  I am not sure what
break beat is, but I assume you are talking about techno like James
Brown is Dead by LA Style and stuff like Utah Saints, Shamen, PWEI,
Cabaret Voltaire type stuff that waxes industrial.

You might try these bands.  They are a dream come tru for me as a lover
of Cabaret Voltaire.

Deitiphobia (sounds very much like Cabaret Voltaire)
Jyradelix
Psycho Lizards
Mortal
Dance House Children
Wigtop

Scott Blackwell became a Christian and began a label called Myx.  You 
might try anything on that label and like it.  They are distributed
by Frontline Music Group and very easy to obtain at the local
Christian Book/music store.

Blonde Vinyl is another record company that has started a subgroup
called Salva.  You can contact Salva directly by snail mail
SALVA MUSIC
PO Box 200255-106
Austin, TX 78720

You can also walk into the local Christian music spot and poke around.
There are also record stores that are secular that may be able to get the Blonde
Vinyl stuff for you if they have Abbey Road distribution.

Hope this has helped you.  Myx is probably going to be the most useful
stuff due to Blackwell's background of DJing at Studio 54 in New York.

I myself DJ on my college radio station.  Bad time.  I think it might
also be a touch of discrimination due to lack of knowledge of the
Christion market.  All they know is Amy Grant.  Yhey put me at 2-6am
because they don't realize how many people would listen to the show.

When you are frustrated,

		uscream@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu



>								dj X
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Christian Station in FLA
Keywords: Titusville
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:21:54 GMT
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI

Greetings, all.  Well, I'm off to my first vacation in 5 years to 
Titusville, Florida (leaving Tuesday).  As far as I can discern,
Titusville is somewhere between Antarctica and Michigan State.  Anyway,
does anyone know of any decent Christian stations down there for me to
listen to (only so much heathen Musak one can listen to at a stretch, 
you know - sides my wife and myself, everyone's going to be over 50.
How many Willard Scott ads for Riopan plus _can_ a person listen to
without going insane? ;>)  Anywho, if anyone has any suggestions, let
me know.  Have a joyous Christmas all.

BTW, I'm going to try and sign in now and then during my vacation (my
mother has threatened to put me in a strait-jacket and I have to work
out the long-distance calls, but I'm determined...)

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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Tangent: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:46:56 GMT

Oh, in case anyone is interested, we had some fun with Prof. McElwaine's
far-out theory on the air at "Full Metal Worship (94.5 FM WCXS) last
Saturday night.. my friends at the studio and I were gloriously entertained.

Tragically, there might be a drop in enrollment at UWEC because of
McElweenie (oops, I mean McElwaine) and the generated publicity due to his
apparent imbalance in his medication, so I just wanna say in all honestly:

The views expressed by Prof. McElwaine are not necessarily those of the
staff and students of the Univ of WI Eau Claire.. or for that matter, the
human race.

Oh, and a correction: the Brave is NOT playing on the 18-19, they played
on the 12th (thank you Glenn Dixon for that update).. sorry all who made
plans that weekend..

Phil

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:38:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For the record, it was this musical that first got me interested in Christ
and Christianity.  I heard it on an album and was powerfully affected by
it ... I went out and bought it, played it over and over (I was about 13
at the time), and thought a great deal about things.  Because of it, I
ended up in a local church, where I became a Christian.  

Looking at the musical now, I see all kinds of misinformation, bad
theology, etc.  But there's no question that it piqued my interest in
Christ and was used powerfully by the Holy Spirit to draw me to Him.


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:21:13 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

In article <nestabro.724340264@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>Yes, we will waste time, it is inevitable.  Our fallen bodies can not
>maintain focused activity 24 hours a day.

There is a big, big difference between wasted time and recreation.  The
latter is part of God's plan.  Regarding what the apostles did in their
"spare time", the Bible leaves an awful lot out.  Paul suggests that most of
them were married, and they probably had kids, too.  I doubt that they spent
all their time preaching, teaching and praying.
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