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From: quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le)
Subject: Re: How to convert solar calendar to lunar calendar.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:18:41 GMT

In article <5711@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong) writes:
>
>do you know every nineteen years your Lunar birthday will coincide with your
>'Solar' birthday?   Can anyone explain the mathematics in this?
>
>I think the Chinese are ingenious in coming up with such a system.  
>
>Ray

The Chinese Lunar Calendar System is actually a Lunar-Solar calendar system.
The Lunar month is based on the period that Moon revolts around Earth (about
29.5 days) whereas a Solar year is based on the period that Earth revolts
around Sun (about 365.25 days). Old Chinese calendar makers wanted to combine
the best of two systems to create a calendar to help farmers. They used
Lunar month that starts with no Moon and solar year that reflects the seasons.
In order to make their year of 12 months to synchronize with solar year
they distributed 7 leap months in a period of 19 years so that some years have
13 months. That explains why a particular Solar  day coincides with Lunar day 
within 19 years.
But, please notice that our Solar calendar (particularly Gregory (sp?) 
calendar) has its own leap day problem. The whole cylce to determine a leap
year is 400 years (skip years that divide by 100, but  400). Conservatively
speaking, it takes 400x19 years to make sure that two cycles are coincident.

Any astrologist is on-line?
Best,
Quang Le

>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: a joke, just another joke
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:56:40 GMT

In article <cyen.715490612@ponder> Jesse writes:
>
>No matter who you are, please don't be serious.
>
>   Couple days ago I bought an universal remote control, which is made
>   in Korea. It looks fancy and beautiful.  I use it to control all my
>   audio and video equipments, which are made in Japan. 
>   In the kit, there is an user manual including device codes and operation
>   description. Following the steps, I set up remote and began to test it.
>   BUT I found some functions don't work as stated in user manual.
>   Later on, I complained to the salesman and refunded the remote.
>   To my surprise, the salesman told me,"Don't believe what they have said."
>
>It's just another joke.
>
>Jesse

I don't think that is just a joke, most of time that's real situation.
From: linh@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Curious!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:00:39 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Hello everyone!!
    This is my first time posting to this newsgroup and first time
reading it.  I have a few curious questions and wish they would be
answered.  Thanks in advance!!
   1.  Are people posting to this newsgroup mostly Chinese?  I mean
are you from Taiwan?

   2.  Are the discussion in this newsgroup more on politics?  
     
    It seems like you are discussing more on economics than anything
else in this group.  If anyone is going to talk about more on
entertainig part of Taiwanese stuff, please e-mail me.  Thanks!!

Hui-Yi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Organization: Natl Univ of S'pore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:44:11 GMT

In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>
>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
>
>Ze Yang

People can and normally will choose what the best is for themselves,
although they may not get it.  Just like you and me.
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:18:28 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <BuFGy2.C4B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
=
=We Chinese don't like current government either, but things will change.
=We still love our culture, our mountains and rivers, our stories about
=beautiful woman Yang Guifei.
=

Don't forget to love your Communism culture and Mao's culture.
If they destroy Han culture during culture revolution,
how come they are still proud of something they have hated and
have destroied.  ;-)

Beats me!

KMT said 'just can never trust a communist' which might
have some truth.   ;-)
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Sep15.055806.15067@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep14.231806.15537@wuecl.wustl.edu>
yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
|> 
|> >Who care whether it is Portuguese or Spanish? California is part of
|> >the US now and forever!
|> 
|> But it does matter.  Can you imagine Germany renaming itself Alemania
|> (Spanish)?  Can you imagine Scotland renaming itself Caledonia (Latin)?

Could not agree more.
And it is not appropriate to use california as an example here.
California was in the hands of spain. When US took it, it was named
california already by spainish and there was more spainish speaking
people live there (it may still be true today).

To who ever think it does not matter or likes the name ROF:

	Where is your pride?
	We have a name in our own language and it is "TAIWAN".

yu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: old Her[4] and Christine
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 03:10:26 GMT

In article <9209110231.AA17763@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:

>=3. called Mandarin-speaking people "barbarian".
>
>I believe Dr. Sun-Yet-Soon invented or used that term
>'barbarian' when he declare revolution against Chin dynasty.
>He said 'get rid of those barbarian and recover Han'.
>Mandarin is Chin's official tone and Chin was called
>'barbarian' by Dr. Sun-Yet-Soon. So Mandarin is
>barbarian's Mandarin, according to Dr. Sun-Yet-Soon.

Talking about twisting the words...

He was obviously referring to the Manchurians.

And the official tongue of Chin was *Manchurian*, not Mandarin.  All imperial
edicts were in both Manchurian and Chinese.
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:12:46 GMT
Organization: New York University

v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>> 
>>>If what Mr. Yang said is true --- CCP's crash brings major disorder
>>>to mainland, why would Taiwanese choose to unify with a more messy mainland,
>>>even though it's lousy enough now?
>> 
>>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
>> 
>>Ze Yang

>The analogy is not right. North fought South to release slaves. But if mainland

This statement is wrong, North fought South to keep the
Union. In his inaugral speech, Abraham Lincoln emphasized that 
he would not interfere the institution of slavery in those states 
which had slavery already, he had not inclination to do so, and he
thought he had no lawful right to do so. While he was making the 
speech, the country was dissolving, from the last part of that 
speech you can see it:
  "In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, and not 
   in mine, is the momentus issue of civil war, the government 
   will not asail you, you can have not conflict without being 
   yourselves the aggressors.."

>fight Taiwan, they are to capture slaves. I wish mainland was as democratic as
>Taiwan so that a unified China would be the best thing to do. When that is not
>true, why not separate the two for a while? That is a problem of priority. If
>you are so brave to attack Taiwan which will cause millions of casualties on 
>each side and result in a ruined Taiwan, why aren't you brave enough to change your 
>system in mainland so that both side of the straits will be happy to be united
>someday.

The problem is that Taiwan is running into seccesion, the mainland is
not pushing Taiwan unifying with mainland now, mainland gives
a lot pariorities to Taiwan, but Taiwan doesn't appreciate them
at all.

Ze Yang
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 15:03:42 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep15.024529.25523@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
=
=c.q.: (I assume I am talking to right person)
=
=After reading several of your posts, I dont think you will have any trouble 
=when you go back to China, most of your opinion is quite in line with CCP's. 
=I am not going to argue your political belief here because You are the one 
=to make choice. (BTW, my impression you are more like CCP's reformer).

Jesu, I am THE CCP and I SAID you ARE OK to go back to China.
Why you can go back to China?
CUZ, I, THE CCP said so.

It seems MR. Li are trying very hard to judge people who
posts news on the net.

This person posts this must be that.
This person posts such such must be this this.

=
=But I am talking about those who stay silence. Everyone knows there is
=no freedom of speech in China, so you can imagine how much freedom 
=Mainland Chinese in the US can speak out against the current political 
=systems in China without the fear of retaliation.
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: comments on Movie "First Date" by Peter Wang
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:01:21 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Sep8.194705.10440@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>
>This is just a minor point, but Peter Wang made four movies before this one.  
>In addition to "A Great Wall" and "Laserman" he was also in "Chan is Missing" 
>(Chen2 Shi4 Shi1zong1) and "Ah Ying" (Ban4 Bian1 Ren2). 

There is a big difference between acting or appearing in and being 
the director of a film.  Peter had a minor role in "Chan is Missing",
which is generally accredited to the director Wayne Wang.  Likewise,
he had the main role in "Ah Ying", but was not the director, who I
believe was from Hong Kong.  This is the first time I've seen the
title for "Chan is Missing" translated into Chinese. That was such a 
goofy film I doubt it made any sense outside of the Chinatown milieu. 
Maybe because I knew Wayne and most of the actors, but I always 
thought of it as a pretentious home movie, and still don't understand 
why it got such raves from the non-Chinese critics.

If you want to get picky, Peter also collaborated with his
ex-wife Shirley Sun on several documentaries on Chinese history 
and culture before he started making feature-length films. I recall 
"Old Treasures from New China", a documentary on the 1974 
archaelogical exhibit from China and two more about Xi'an and Beijing.

I agree that Peter seems to play the same role over and over and
tends to flaunt his Mandarin. He also seems to relish cultural 
incongruities that are ultimately meaningless, like his portrayal
of a quick-order cook who speaks Mandarin and sings "Fly Me to the
Moon".  All in all, though, he does have a hearty sense of humor
that makes his films entertaining, if not particularly perceptive.

>Robert Sanders

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Language
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.161456.14172@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
=In article <BtynsD.40p@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
=
=>PS. The only river Han called 'river' is  'Yellow  river'.   Next
=>biggest  river they called it 'Gorn' (HaGa or HoLo pronunciation,
=>let those Mandarian speaking barbarians learn the beauty  of  the
=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>real  Han)  Then  they call the next one as 'Ssui' or 'Zui'(zoo -
=>e), which is water in Hanzi.
=>Sorry, one way to increase the self-confidence of our mother tone is
=>degrade the oppressor.
=
=More like a racist statement.

I am not smart enough to invent that term 'barbarians'. You
should chack History books and KMT's or CCP's propagandas.

=
=And you say that you don't reject the WSR...

Now, here comes the tipical KMT syndrome. Did I mention
any word related to WSR? Mr. Nelson Lu probably is
a KMT's WSR, and he believe KMT == WSR. So if I attack
anything related to KMT, he automatically presume that
I was degrading WSR. Why is this? Why you want to take
blame of KMT's crimes? Or you really have somthing to do
with KMT's evil?
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mrs. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Response to Mr. Tai
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:10:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


	>From: aj028@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Tai) writes;
        >Hi,
	>China's potential market or its labor force are Chinese, and it is nature
	>that Taiwan take advantage of it.  Taiwan is Chinese, but Koreans are 
	>Vnot.   Koreans will never be able to compete with Taiwan in utilizing 
	>mainland China's resources.   Taiwan and mainland will unite, but not 
	>Korea.  Korea is an outsider.

Here is one outdated isolationist!  Then, why did more than 400 envoys visit Korea to solicit Koreans' investment in Mainland China? Do you think one closed economic block of ethinic chineses which I believe once Mao insisted? Well? Goodluck if you do!   There is one point which I agree to you:  The last sentence. Sure! No sane Korean believes that Korea will unite with either Taiwan or mainland.  100 times 100% not me!   (it may hurt you that Korea is THE LARGIST foreign investor country in Mainland
From: ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Can Taiwanese fight? Would Taiwanese fight?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:14:18 GMT

In article <9209102353.AA15950@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of  
Taiwan) writes:
<<unintelligible stuff deleted >>

> Taiwanese will fight
> for what ever price they have to pay even destroy the
> Earth. 

Speak for yourself only please.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Long live ....Re: old Her[4] and Christine
Date: 13 Sep 1992 23:14:34 -0500
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <79644@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
=
=One thing that I admire about Sun Yat-Sen was the fact that he tried
=(and largely succeeded) in getting rid of the anti-Manchu elements of
=the 1911 revolution.  He could have easily used the Manchus as
=scapegoats for everything that was wrong with China and portrayed the
=revolution as a "race war."  He didn't.  Instead, the "min-zu zhu-yi"
=part of his "three principles" was designed part to reduce ethnic
=tensions among Chinese.  
=

Oh! I admire his smartness too. He used the rascism to invoke
hatred to help the revolution.

One thing people in Taiwan can not tolerate the criticism
toward their Heros. These all due to KMT's successful
brain-washed. Remember how we yell 'long live Chan',
'long live this', 'long live that'.
Some one dares to criticize Chan, even nowaday, will face
'freedom to go to jail'.

One thing we know 'long live ..' usually are short live.  ;-)
From: 2ftzlead@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: A Friend at the Univ. of Kansas
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:06:46 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Hi, everyone,

This is the first time I logthe Republic of China ).  I'm not a member of any
parties or groups in Taiwan.  Since all we care is the future of the Chinese,
please feel free to talk about and my major is Computer Science.  There have
been many diplomatic setbacks these days as before.  However, Taiwan plays
a more and more important role in the world .   That's the point we can be
happy about, isn't it ?
Talk to you guys later.  Please use the following account :
  cliu@hawk.cs.ukans.edu
  or
  dragon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Liu, Chun-yen
(Roger)

  dragon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:20:11 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <BuM1yG.EI8@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic
of Taiwan) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep15.021922.24902@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
|> =
|> =I believe you are referring to my post #29557. Frankly, I dont even know
|> =you why should I hate you? I dont believe anyone will hate you. You are 
|> =not the only TI supporter on this net. We are not all KMT supporters, at 
|> 
|> This is a very intersting 'something' happens all the time.
|> People seems love to frame the other people with a name
|> or term.
|> 
|> It seems I have been framed as a Ti-er or TI-supporter
|> all the time. Can't people think of something else
|> except capping other people.
|> 
|> Did I ever say 'You, Li are such such-er'.
|> 
|> Now, this is a real name calling.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is very bad to do name calling. Any insult or word abuse is not only
wrong but also showing his own indecency.
I am sorry that you felt that you are insulted by Tong-Kang Li.

If you, Mr. ROT, thinks labeling you TIer is name calling, then I
do not understand why you call yourself "Republic of Taiwan"?

yu



PS: The following is for Tong-Kang.

Tong-Kang,

I am ashamed of you wasting your time like this.
Why talking back and forth iteratively again and again?
In the beginning, this seemed to be interesting but don't you see
this has been decended to a lower level that no one in his right
mind should be at. I know you are bright enough to understand that
there in no hope and it is time to gave up.

cheers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: BSR and WSR
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:46:28 GMT

In article <BuI6vr.MxM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>When will the distinction between BSR and WSR be totally lifted?
>IMO, that will be when WSR are willing to speak not only Mandarine
>but also Holo(the biggest language goup in Taiwan) or Holo is
>completely destroied, which has become more and more unlikely.
>I am a BSR and my wife is a WSR. When I heard that some Taiwanese
>Legislators speaking Holo in the conference, I was so excited. But, I

You have every right to be excited as you probably have not
spoken or heard it spoken for a long time 8).

>could feel she was kind of frightened in her subconciousness that
>something has been changed against WSR's profit. Interesting, isn't it?

NOp eI tdon't think it is very interesting.  Being an outsider (non-taiwanese)
It sounds very discriminating to be.  That's the problem with Chinese.
They are always fighting each other, like  the "cold war" between the 
mainland and Taiwan.  IMHO, the worst thing that could happen is your
strange classification of BSR and WSR.  What is all this ?  Can't you all
be Taiwanese? Why this arrogance?  Perhaps this is ingrained in your blood?

>Don't be afraid, WSR brothers and sisters. Speaking Holo is a right thing
>to do and it dosen't imply that BSR want to expel WSR. This story

Yes it is the right thing for you but do not try to impose it on others.
Let others speak what they are most comfortable doing but however
retain say Mandarin as a national and unifying language. 

>in my family serves as one of the many proofs of my statement. 
>What do you think?  

It goes to show that BSR and WSR can coexist and IMHO shouldn't
be distinguished. After all you are all Taiwanese.  I consider the
labeling of BSR and WSR racist. 

Just my 2 cents worth as an outside observer.

Me Mann
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Mirage?????
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:22:16 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


Hello everyone:


    Mirage 2000-5?????  Who knows about Mirage 2000-5????????
Yesterday my French friends told me that Taiwan will buy Mirage from
Frances..... Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!  

   But they told me that in fact Mirage is not good aircraft??????
They said Mirage only can attack on the day.....if on the night....
Mirage will be uselesss....because Mirage can't attack on the night...
So my french friends told me that" Tell your government.... Be careful
Don't fly Mirage on the night.... It is too dangerous?????? "


   When I heard that I was very surprise?????? Is it true or not?????
I haven't any idea about weapon????? This news is told by my french
friends......


PS. They told me that "Mirage like blind-jets on the night"