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From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: info on accidents
Summary: wife doesn't wear helmet
Keywords: helmet use
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:30:39 GMT


This information is intended for those trying to make a decision
on either to wear a bike helmet or not.  For those who have made
a decision, it should be considered review information and not
a statement on support/opposition of wearing a bike helmet.

The information is from an article found in the September issue of
"Bicycle USA"; a member magazine from the League of American Wheelmen.
It is quoted with permission from the article "What Causes Bicyclists
to Fall" in the column "Outdoor Health" by David Egan.  David has some
interesting facts that may influence your decision to wear a helmet.


Excerpts from David's article follow:


"Of the 93 million (bicyclists), a little more than half a million
cyclists have the pleasure of visiting a hospital emergency room
each year.  Seventy percent of them are treated for head injuries.
And almost 1,000 bicyclists per year die in accidents, mostly from
head injuries.  You can see why we're nuts about getting bicyclists
to wear a properly adjusted helmet.  But notice that, compared to
the number of people bicycling, the number of injuries requiring a
trip to the hospital is relatively small.  That's the good news.

Why do we fall?  There are four categories of causes.  The first is
collisions with other objects.  That is, running into things.  Trees
curbs, parked cars, dogs..and things that are, for the most part,
inanimate.  We do this about 18 percent of the time.  Not a real
biggie, but not to be discounted either.

The most popular way to fall is to collide with another bicyclist.
About one quarter to the time (26 percent) we knock each other down!

About half the time (46 percent), we experience an intrinsic loss 
of control.  What the heck does that mean?  It's what your mother
called, "fall down, go boom." We just plain fall down.  The "intrinsic"
part means that what caused the fall came from within us rather
than from some outside force.  

Now here is what you've been waiting for.  Collision with a car.  Ten
percent.  Only 10 percent!  The next time your children tell you
that they don't need their helmets just to ride around the neighbor-
hood, don't believe them!  Ninety percent of all falls don't involve
a motor vehicle!"


"Bicycle USA, the membership magazine of the League of American Wheelmen."

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22431 rec.bicycles.misc:397
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:25:10 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>This kind of question really depends on the person. I've always given blood
>while commuting and never had any problems. Of course you're also
>supposed to be a little light headed after donating and I always feel
>like getting rid of another pint.

Ouch!  Everytime?  Yeah, I once donated blood during a commute.  And, yes, I 
felt light headed afterwards too.  Are you included in those LAW stats?

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Recommendations needed for Shaw's Lightweight Cycles
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:14:40 GMT

|> Other good stores I've heard good things about are: Wheelsmith (Palo
|> Alto), Palo Alto Bicycles, and CycleCraft (Cupertino).  I've also been
|> told to avoid Bicycle Outfitter.

I've always been satisfied with the service and quality of merchandise
at Wheelsmith, PA Bicycles, and even Bicycle Outfitter.  The latter
does cater to racers and other serious riders, though, so they carry
very little low end stuff.

I've heard good things about Shaw's, but have never been there.
You might also try Spectrum in Sunnyvale.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Schindleria Praematurus)
Subject: Newsgroup Deletion
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:35:00 GMT

  Hi all,

  I've read within the group of the impending demise of rec.bicycles which
will then be broken down into smaller sub-groups?  If this is true may I make
a suggestion?  perhaps one of the sub-groups could be named .NOVICE or
something similar?  I'm sure those of us, like myself, who wish to discuss
those issues which might not be of interest to the more experienced riders,
would make use of such a sub-group.  Personally, being new to the group I've
felt sort of awkward asking novice-type questions.  Perhaps if we'd keep
such questions within such a sub-group it'd make life more bearable for
others.  I should elaborate on that actually.  Maybe not so much as far
as questions are concerned but, you know, shooting the breeze about how
great it was commuting 80+ km to work and the thrill of doing it in a
52 x 18, and things of that nature.  Alles klar?

  Richard Brock
From: angst@shamrock.ucsb.edu (love)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Anyone See Mountain Bike Special on PBS?
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:43:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Finnigan's Cheezy Combustibles and Lawnmower Emporium

About 2-3 months ago, there was a TV special about the evolution of
the mountain bike and had some tie-in with Fisher mountain bikes in
Marin County.

If anyone has this on video, and would be willing to dub it for me 
if I send you a blank tape (VHS) + postage + money for your time,
*please* send me email.

Thanks much in adavnce!

"You're breathing this fear maybe once a year.	|          Dave Stein
 We suffocate every day."			|       angst@cs.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: judiths@eliot.uucp (Judith Speck)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Reply-To: judiths@usisun.UUCP (Judith Speck)
Organization: UNITECH Software, Inc., Reston, VA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:57:46 GMT

In article <DAVE.92Sep8043145@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:
>Jobst Brandt writes:
>> Discouragement from natural-bias is not sufficient an excuse for the dearth
>> of mechanically skilled women.  As an example I propose that little boys
>> who choose to play with dolls and dress as girls are far more severely
>> discouraged than girls who are interested in their family car or lawn mower.
>> Yet the boys with dolls are not dissuaded from their typically feminine
>> behavior and continue to have this preference.  Our president would have
>> us believe that a large part of out population was led astray into aberrant
>> behavior at youth to become homosexual.  I don't believe it.
>
>You're basing your comparison on the assumption that a person is
>mechanically skilled before they are discouraged.  If we assume that they
>may be discouraged before mechanical skills even begin to develop, then it
>does not seem strange at all that homosexuality, which you believe to be a
>natural trait, is far harder to discourage.  Even if we assume, as does
>George Bush, that homosexuality is learned, we may make a Freudian
>interpretation (possibly an illegal tactic in the Republican world) and
>argue that mechanical inclination is a far more sublime manifestation of
>our libido than is sexual preference, and is thus far more subject to
>discouragement.
>
>David Wuertele, Yasuda Lab, Electronic Engineering, Institute of Industrial Science,
>University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp



   Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to 
mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale! 
Sexuality is one of the three primal urges of being human (along with
eating and sleeping.)  One has to find out what their tendancy is in 
their lifetime--there is just no way of avoiding it.  However, I don't
think one will necessarily find out whether they are good mechanically
or not.  Say, for example a girl was discouraged from doing anything
mechanical and grew up to believe that she couldn't handle such things.
Ok, if anything ever broke down, she could simply have someone else
fix it for her and she would never have to confront her own mechanical
ability/inability, yet the need would have been met (re: the item fixed.)
However, you simply cannot have someone else have sex for you, so you 
will always confront your own sexual tendancies.  Therefore, 
mechanical ability could be discouraged before it ever develops, and 
one might never find out.  
  I for one, was expected to be able to fix things ranging from cars,
large appliances, to bikes.  I can solder, saw, hammer, install an
alternator, starter motor, tune up a car, rebuild a carburator, and 
assemble a box of mail order components onto my bike frame.
  The one thing I wonder is if I would have been exposed to things
mechanical if I had had a brother......

Take your silly sexist BS someplace else.

Judith
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:39:38 GMT

Dave Wuertele writes:

> The natural-bias hypothesis takes on mythical proportions, even (perhaps
> especially) in that segment of society which should consider itself most
> responsible:  the technically educated.  Jobst, you didn't mention having
> any daughters, and you did mention not having worked with any women engineers.
> Well I may eventually have daughters, and I do have many woman friends in
> science and engineering.  For their sake, please, do not "resign yourself
> to this apparent fact and leave it be."

As I said, this concept raises problems for which I have no solutions but
I believe that hereditary characteristics are pronounced and strong
statistically.  Fortunately there are enough exceptions to allow escape
for the individual.

Discouragement from natural-bias is not sufficient an excuse for the dearth
of mechanically skilled women.  As an example I propose that little boys
who choose to play with dolls and dress as girls are far more severely
discouraged than girls who are interested in their family car or lawn mower.
Yet the boys with dolls are not dissuaded from their typically feminine
behavior and continue to have this preference.  Our president would have
us believe that a large part of out population was led astray into aberrant
behavior at youth to become homosexual.  I don't believe it.

I don't need women to be mechanical engineers just as I don't need men
to be caring for newborn infants although both can do either of these jobs,
there are natural abilities that statistically lead to these separations.
I too had looked forward to raising a mechanically adept daughter.  Now,
after watching my children and those of others grow up, I realize that I
most likely would have had little luck although I surely would have raised
her conscientiously without bias toward male or female.

I am not a medical doctor but I learned enough to take care of certain
injuries that i might incur.  I think women should likewise learn to take
care of similarly important mechanical necessities that might arise.  This
does not require a fundamentally mechanical nature and should lie within
the grasp of most women as it does of most men who are equally unskilled
in mechanical visualization and design.

However, not to forget...

Ride bike!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lfung@alias.com (Lisa A. Fung)
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Organization: Alias Research Inc., Toronto ON Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:49:44 GMT


Enough already!!  Alot of the recent articles on this subject 
do not involve bicycles or riding.  This discussion should be
dropped or moved to a group on sexual politics.

-Lisa.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22414 misc.forsale:26081
From: tims@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Tim Sasseen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,misc.forsale
Subject: Touring frame for sale
Date: 11 Sep 1992 22:52:59 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu


	-------- HANDMADE BIKE FRAME ----------

	I have had a bike frame in my closet for several years,
waiting until I had the money to create a bike around it.
However, I have now decided against this and would like
to sell the frame.  Replacing a heavier frame with this
could be your cheapest way to get a light touring bike. 
	It is made of superlight (Colombus or Reynolds, I forget
which) tubing, touring geometry.  The headset is Tange
(or maybe Flange) (Japanese), with an SR seatpost included.
Ends and bottom bracket Campagnolo. Paint is metallic brown.
Size is 61 cm (about 24").
	
	Price:  $ 300.  o.b.o.

Tim Sasseen
Berkeley
Phones:  510-643-6749  W
	 510-644-2863  H (leave message if necessary)	
email:  tims@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu
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From: brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Performance
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:39:00 GMT
Organization: Radio Free Europe
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  hi all,

  Can anyone out there in cycle-land get me the address for Performance so
I can ask for one of their catalogues?   Thanks in advance.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Richard Brock                            Internet: BROCKR@RFERL.ORG
System Manager                           Work Phone : 011-49-89-2102-3777
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Inc.     Home Phone : 011-49-8086-8455
Munich, Germany                          Fax #      : 011-49-89-2102-3752

                           I'd rather be cycling

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: brady@lgc.com (W. Brady Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Rans Stratus Recumbent
Keywords: bicycle, recumbent
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:43:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx


Fellow 'benters,

	I have found a slightly used Rans Stratus B recumbent bike.  It
has high-end components and seems to be a good deal to me.  However, I
have not heard anyone mention the bad or good characteristics of this
bike.  Does anyone have any experience with this bike?

Thanks,
Brady
breed@lgc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: perlman@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Subject: MS Ride to Beach
Reply-To: perlman@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:33:03 GMT

They talked me into a 2 day, 150 mile ride to Sunset Beach
from Pageland, SC.  I registered, got plenty of sponsors and 
approval from wife (not in that order).  Tell me about the
goodtimes I will have, particularly at Dillon (the Sat. night
stop) and the beach.  Also any advice regarding return bus
trip and shipping bike back?

Rich.
From: elephant@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mighty Elephant Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bianchi road bike for sale:
Keywords: n
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:25:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


ON SALE:
-- ----

Bianchi 58cm Columbus SL road bike:
600 Ultegra components, Cinelli X/A stem (130mm) and 64/42 bar;
Dura-Ace aero-seatpost; Turbo saddle; Mavic GP-4 rims (28/32);
Vittoria CX tubular front, Performance 250 rear;
Rear cassette hub: Dura-Ace 6 speed (non-hyperglide);
Look PP76 carbon pedals.  Crank-arm:  170mm.

This is an old frame (about 5 years), but still rigid, fits 5'10" and
above with inseam >= 31".  It has steep head angle: great for crit.

All of the above plus some extras:  training wheel set with 700x28
knobby tires!  Sidi revolution shoes (size 9), etc.

Price:  $600 obo 

Please call  (512) 479-6925    Francis 
or send e-mail to:             elephant@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
______________________________________________________________________
From: jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie)
Subject: Recumbant Bikes
Organization: Radford University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 03:29:51 GMT

I've been reading this group for a few days now, and I haven't seen much
mentioned in the way of recumbant bikes.  Are there any recumbant riders out
there?

Along the same line, there is a bike shop around here that is selling a 
recumbant bike.  It is used (many chips and scratches in the paint, mechanics
look okay) and they are asking $500 for it.  Is this a good deal?  I couldn't
find a name on it, could it have been a custom built?  Where would be a good
site for replacement parts, as some of them are pretty specialized.

Recumbant riders, please E-mail me with your experiences riding a "strange"
looking bike.

Thanks in advance!!

James
jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TECH: Holy Smoke -HELP!
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:27:47 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I have a 1/8" hole in the sidewall of my Panaracer Smoke 2.1
caused by an improperly aligned brakepad grinding over a seven day
period before the tube got hit & I flatted. The hole is large enough to
cause a "hernia" when I put a new tube in, an a nornal rubber patch job attempt
did not work- also bulged.
Since the tire is relatively new, I 'd welcome any fixing suggestions to
make this tire ride again. Can I literally sew in a linen or a "sew-up" patch
(I have no idea how Sew-ups are patched, pardon the ignorance)
and sew it in? Can I use some matting/weave/fdabric to try to plug the hole?
Should I use a chunk of dead tire and make a transplant? How would I attach
this best?

Any and all suggestions appreciated,
todd s.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

P.S. Any terrific front tire suggestions are also welcome - I had a 2.1 Smoke
on front which I moved to the back, and I put on an old Panaracer TIMBUCK II
2.0 on front - I noticed much less rolling resitance & braking power& a
definitely lighter front end.

junk buffer(no delete): pkenemanyrclike any suggestioins
From: ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Newsgroups
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:09:51 GMT

Timothy R. Wilhite writes

>What are the new groups that have been added on the subject of bicycles?
>Thanks in advance.

There are six, which are called
      rec.bicycles.marketplace
                   tech
                   rides
                   soc
                   racing
                   misc

A description of the guidelines for each is posted regularly, perhaps weekly
(not by me).

Now, where are the dang groups?  Apparently the news server I use has not yet
received whatever it needs to activate the new groups.  At least the
administrator told me that she has not seen any such messages.

Can someone enlighten us on the reason for the delay?  How can postings travel
around the world in a few minutes, whereas the stuff needed to activat e new
groups takes weeks?

In the meantime, does anyone know of a gracious server that allows anonymous
access?  One at Columbia U. used to, but someone got wise and now limits access
to it.

Impatiently,

Bob Novy
ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
Dallas, TX

If it's "needless to say,"  don't say it!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: donm@cs.UAlberta.CA (Don Murray)
Subject: Cost of Bikes: France vs. Canada
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:07:23 GMT

I am moving to France soon, and want to have a bike there.
I was just wondering if anyone out there has any idea of
how expensive bikes are in France compared to Canada.
I could buy a bike here and take it with me, or wait until
I am there, depending upon any advice I can scrounge up
about the pros and cons.

Please e-mail me any advice.
Thanks

Don

(donm@cs.ualberta.ca)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: Need information and experiences about drum brakes2 Resp
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:33:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Jobst speaks way better than I could on this, but I have two niggling
remarks:

BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
: 
: On two wheeled vehicles, skidding the front wheel even for the briefest
: time causes unrecoverable loss of control...

Ok, everyone who has recovered a front wheel skid raise your hand.

I thought so.  Wasn't it exciting?!

: ...Make sure you understand what has been done
: before starting any design yourself.

I'd say "make sure you understand what has been done _and how it turned out_
before _completing_ any design yourself.

Sometimes history helps, sometimes it limits the possibility of innovation.
_____________
Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dkw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Wittenberg)
Subject: Re: opinions/test ride wanted: Tour easy & Linear recumbents
Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:42:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.160248.14320@crd.ge.com>, laymon@midway.crd.ge.com (Marc A. Laymon) writes:
|> I am particularly interested in the Linear and Tour Easy
|> recumbents.  Since dealers of either brand seem to be scarce
|> around here, is there anyone in netland within a 2-3 hour drive
|> of the Albany-Schenectady area of New York who owns either type
|> of bike would be willing to let me try a short test ride ?
|> 
|> Also, anyone having any comments pro or con on either type of
|> bike ?
|>   Marc Laymon			GE Research & Development   	
|> 				Schenectady, NY
|>   laymon@oceana.crd.ge.com	  

Are you choosing those because of their high handlebars?  Otherwise,
they're rather different bikes.  The Linear is a low end bike made of
Al, while the  Tour Easy is a $1500 or so steel framed bike.
Incidentally, the last time I talked to the Linear people, they said
that most of their customers start with the high handlebars and later
convert to the low handlebars.  Linear is the only bike I can think of
which allows that change.

I found the seat on the Linear to be higher than I would like.  I
really like the way the Linear folds.  It  looks very well designed.
The components on the Linear are not as good as I would like.  Call
Linear about a dealer.  They only sell through dealers, and are
remarkably good at finding a dealer near you.

--David Wittenberg
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: you@taligent.com (Lawrence You)
Subject: Re: Scotchlite question
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:58:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.120057.184181@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER) wrote:
>         I was wondering if anyone on the net knows of a way to obtain
> Scotchlite (tm) in bulk quantities.

One source is:

The Rain Shed
707 NW 11th
Corvallis, OR 97330
(503) 753-8900

It is available in silver and, I think, a couple other colors (white/red?).
 I don't remember what I paid--something like a couple bucks a foot.

Thanks to Carla Oexmann (oexmann@bach.convex.com) for this info.

-Lawrence

you@taligent.com

(This is crossposted.  Please followup on rec.bicycles.misc.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
Subject: Re: biking through China/Asia
Reply-To: selvin@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:11:19 GMT


(Robert Lewis) writes:

>I don't know if one can go through Tibet to India.  
>I don't think that one can go through Myamar (?, Burma) either so I 
>don't know how one does this.  Perhaps through southern China into 
>western India.
>

As of 1986, you weren't allowed to bicycle in Burma (Myanmar). The 
authorities impounded bicycles at the airport until you finished your 7-day
visa. I doubt that the situation has improved since then.

I also don't think Tibet is open for unescorted travel now, although it was,
briefly, in the mid-late 80s (and there I was at the Nepal-Tibet border without
a visa :-( ).