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From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:44:47 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov18.042404.20655@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
> 
> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> 
>>Now I suppose you'll tell me that in a later incarnation, the Doc went back
>>in time and became Rassilon, in a sort of historical fulfillment thing. 
>>However, the TARDIS does have limits on its travel, and *cannot* function
>>before a certain point in time.
> 
>>>There's at least one episode contradicting this... in _Castrovalva_, the
>>>Master sends the TARDIS back to "Event One, the hydrogen inrush", i.e.,
>>>the Big Bang, the start of time.  I would assume, if this is the start
>>>of the universe, that it is before the Gallifreyans/Time Lords [no, I'm
> 
> This is a common error. The event one described in Castrovalva was not the
> Big Bang. It was the creation of the Galaxy from a Hydrogen inrush (well
> this is a novel approach to galatic astrophysics). There is a big difference
> between the Big Bang and this event of Galaxy formation.
> 
> Mark C.
> 
>>-----------------------------------------------------
>>>From Neal Smith (nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com)
Ah...well, if you can recall from my earler posts, the limitation was on travel
to GALLIFREY'S past, not the multiverses' past(s).  So yes, the TARDIS could
have been heading for Event One (tm) as long as they weren't trying to land on
Gallifrey (which, obviously, they weren't. 8^).

OK?

Bruce

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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: Dracula
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:45:42 GMT

perl@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T Perl) writes:



>	I just saw the new Dracula movie the other day and after watching it I
>feel that Anthony Hopkins would make a good Doctor Who.  Has anyone else seen
>it yet and agree with me?

   Agreeed totally. There are in my mind four possibilities for the role of
   Doctor who: Sean Connery, Anthony Hopkins, John Cleese and John Thaw.

	Hopkins would make an excellent choice you are right, he has a 
	wonderful eccentricity all of his own.
	Connery is a big name and would be agood choice for a movie
	Cleese is totally gaga and perfect for the role,
	and John Thaw (TV's INSPECTOR MORSE) would be a brooding
	character, a 'tired' doctor.

	Hopkins however, must resist the temptattion to go OTT.after Dracula,
	imagine it, Hopkins vs Alan Rickman (Robin Hood:Prince of thieves) as the baddie who wants to destroy the world!!!

Jason

>			     ---David---
>			perl@acsu.buffalo.edu
>"If I knew everything that was going to happen, where would all the fun be."
>		           ---The Doctor---
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Subject: Re: Dracula
From: tswanson@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES.)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:08 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
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In article <Bxs7C7.3A9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes...
>perl@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T Perl) writes:
>>	I just saw the new Dracula movie the other day and after watching it I
>>feel that Anthony Hopkins would make a good Doctor Who.  Has anyone else seen
>>it yet and agree with me?
> 
>   Agreeed totally. There are in my mind four possibilities for the role of
>   Doctor who: Sean Connery, Anthony Hopkins, John Cleese and John Thaw.
> 
>	Hopkins however, must resist the temptattion to go OTT.after Dracula,
>	imagine it, Hopkins vs Alan Rickman (Robin Hood:Prince of thieves) 
>       as the baddie who wants to destroy the world!!!
> 
>Jason
> 
I remember when we went through a phase where everyone here submitted their
suggestion for someone to play The Doctor and other characters in the Big
Budget Dr Who Movie.  Everyone suggested Alan Rickman as the Master.
However, I think he would make a very interesting Doctor, somewhat of a
darker, more mysterious Doctor.  Rickman has always played his villians
with a sense of flair, humor, and winds up stealing the movie (Robin Hood,
Die Hard, Quigly Down Under, etc.).  There were also those who thought
Rowan Atkinson would make a good Doctor, again I'm the opposite, I see 
him as Master (especially after Blackadder II)

But, Hopkins would be terrific also.  Even better, Winona Ryder as companion!
Cleese?  Hmmmm, with Polly and Manuel as companions? ;)

Ted.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sarah-Jane, wimp or winner - you be the judge!
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:44:02 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> I liked Sarah-Jane at first, I guess since she was the first companion that 
> I saw, as is the case for most in the US who got hooked on the TBaker 
> stories.  She was SUPPOSED to be the agressive, do her own job, get the 
> story do or die reporter.  After a while that became secondary.  She had 
> her good moments, like not drinking the drugged wine in Brain of Morbius, 
> while the Doctor chug-a-lugged, and such, but when the going got rough she 
> did have her share of screaming - no it wasn't actually screaming as much 
> as short gaspy hiccups.  After awhile it gets irritating.  She was a vast 
> improvement on Kewpie Doll - squeeky Jo Grant.  And then the really tough 
> female came along, one who could kill, clean and cook her own dinner.


Anyone else notice how many times Sarah couldn't breathe?

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:15:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.125018.376@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
writes:
> In article <BSJTB8JD@cc.swarthmore.edu>, jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu  
(Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
> > mrmuon@next06csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> >> I checked for the exact time in my copy of the twentieth anniversary  
> >> magazine which has a picture of the original Radio Times schedule  
> >> anouncement. It's 5:15 pm Greenwich meridian time, which translates,  
I  
> >> believe, to 12:15 pm eastern standard time.
> >> Pity about JFK though.
> > 
> > 	Except for the fact that, precisely because of JFK, the first
> > episode didn't go on at 5:15. The BBC had been covering the JFK story  
for 24
> > hours and finally went back to regular programing at 5:25. Thus the  
first
> > episode went on the air 10 minutes late. Rather a grim piece of trivia  
I'm
> > afraid.
> This is wrong too, I'm afraid.
> It is true transmission was delayed due to the assasination coverage,
> but it was not ten minutes late, more like a minute and a half.
> When Titan books issued their script book of "An Unearthly Child," they
> made sure to check the transmission logs for that day and it reads
> 5:16: and then thirty or fortysomething seconds.  
> Ten minutes was an exaggeration.
Well, any of these times puts it right during an exam I took in quantum  
mechanics today. I'm pretty sure I did very well.
Coincidence? I think not!

--
Eli Hawkins : mrmuon@wam.umd.edu
"Believe it or not, we were at the academy together."
From: jadair@cs.utexas.edu (John S. Adair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Request--Help on "Battlefield" quote
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:00:02 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1er2e2INNgg1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Scott D. Hurley
asks about the quote near the end of _Battlefield_.
Sylvester McCoy is speaking to Morgaine, the countdown is ticking:

D: If this missile explodes, millions will die. _You_ will die.
M: I will die with honor.
D: All over the world, fools are poised, ready to let death fly.
    Machines of _death_, Morgaine, are ?screaming? from above.
    ?Of? light brighter than the sun. Not a war between armies,
    nor a war between nations, but just death, death gone mad.
    A child looks up into the sky, his eyes turn to cinders.
    No more tears, only ashes. Is this honor?! Is this war?!
    Are these the weapons you would use? Tell me!
M: No.
D: Then put a stop to it, Morgaine. End the madness!

'Screaming' sounds more like 'stringing'--could be 'streaming'.
'Of' really sounds like 'of', but could be 'a'.

                                             -John
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: mccoys portrayal of the d
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:18:09 EST

It is interesting to note that people can argue about how a (insert your
view of Adric's age here)-year-old Alzarian from another universe should
act.  You people apparently get quite a bit farther out of your
neighborhoods than I do.  Or did an Alzarian family move in next door?
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: What's a Doctor Who ?
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:54:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.175030.10411@lsa.umich.edu> kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch) writes:
>
>In article <1egcucINNpn1@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:
>|> 
>|> Greetings,
>|> 
>|> 	I'm completely new to Dr. Who and have just begun to watch
>|> it on the SciFi channel. Could anyone give me the short summary of
>|> who/what Dr. Who is, what a 'Dalek' is, etc. so I can get my bearings
>|> straight and appreciate the discussion threads going on ? Thanx...
>|> 
>|> ...mike
>
>
>Ah, this should be fun.  Let's start with Daleks.  Daleks are the most evil,
>destructive, insensitive, war-loving race in the universe, naturally a good 
>topic for exciting episodes.  They were "created" by the evil scientist Davros
>in a lab specifically for their war-like survival instinct.  Davros, being a
>genius, wanted to create the most powerful race which would beat out all other
>races in the universe.  The puzzling thing is he put these "supreme" creatures
>in robotic bodies that have a tendancy to fall off cliffs, down stairs, run
>into walls, spin helplessly in circles when their single "eye-piece" is covered
>(usually by the doctors hat) and could not possibly climb the simplest
>stairse.  Highly advanced, as you can see.  Plus they have a remarkably limited
>vocabulary of such catchy phrases as, "DO NOT MOVE," and "EXTERMINATE!" 

I recall a cartoon in Punch in the late 60s, showing a Dalek at the
bottom of a flight of stairs; caption: Well, that buggers our plan for
the conquest of the universe.

This was, of course, decades prior to "Remebrance of the Daleks" in
which it is finally revealed that they *can* go up stairs.


Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap = Old Dr. Who?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19: 24:34 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:21:27 GMT

In article <1eok25INNc9b@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Charon,
ST101229@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>Anyone watch Quantum Leap nowadays?  IMHO, it's extremely stupid, but
most of
>my friends seem to love it.

Have you seen the show lately? The first couple of seasons weren't all
that great. Leap is it times corny and contrived, but it can be pretty
charming and I for one enjoy it. And while I agree that it is not
technically a science fiction program, its best episodes were sci-fi
stories.

Dr. Beckett's no Doctor Who though. The show wouldn't work if he were:
the whole point of that Dr. Beckett has no control over his time
travelling.
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Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 00:04:00 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Review and News - DWM 193

In article <1992Nov14.163812.336@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu says:
>IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE AS A DOCTOR WHO FAN, GET THIS CALENDAR.  IT IS THAT
>GOOD.

I bought the calendar about two months ago.  I guess I don't value my
life very much, since I thought it was awful.  I regret buying it.
And I think that the strength of my opinion matches the opinion above,
it's just that the opinion itself is different.  :)

Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
Data Communications Technician           William Rainey Harper College
Information Systems department         1200 W Algonquin Rd Palatine IL
-------"No one in power taking blame."-----Skinny Puppy---------------
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From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Re: TARDISy things
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:14:54 GMT

In article <1edejeINNa7o@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:
>	Since the professor's TARDIS exterior is just a door, nothing more,
>	nothing less, it would only have to materialize next to
>	the wall to give the impression that that it was, apparently,
>	a door in the wall leading somewhere....

On Terminus, the Doctor's TARDIS makes an emergency landing as a door in the
Lazar-ship wall.  If it is a freestanding door against the wall, it has to be
pretty thin.  It does seem to be a normal (for the Lazar ship) door leading
somewhere, at least until it opens.

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: UK Gold Phone No
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:16:31 -0600
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The address and phone number for UK GOLD is:

UK Gold Television,
306-316 Euston Road,
London NW1 3BB.

Telephone: 071-388 8877

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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.162810.20571@yang.earlham.edu> marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:
>In article <hnz1n2#@rpi.edu>, danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov19.123723.6444@gw.wmich.edu>, 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> 
>> [speculation on the BEST next Doctor deleted...]
>> 
>How about Robin Williams (if he doesn't do Mork.)

I take it this is a joke?

Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.



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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: TARDISy things
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.095307.22171@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Yes, that says "TARDISy things" since I'm talking about things related to
>the TARDIS. As you'll see in another article, I went through Shada in a lot
>of detail. I noticed two uncommon TARDISy things (both in ep. #6):
>
>1) The Doctor enters the TARDIS without going through the door. I thought this
>was clearly impossible in other stories. Perhaps the biggest difference is that
>the TARDIS is in the time vortex and he entering with the aid of another TARDIS
>in the time vortex. I guess that's ok...? Now that I think about it, the
>TARDIS has materialized inside the Master's TARDIS (or vice versa) before,
>so maybe it is ok. Perhaps the force field is involved.
>
>2) The professor's TARDIS materializes IN A WALL of the Krarg Carrier Ship
>in the form of a door. I thought it was pretty evident that the TARDIS could
>materialize around things but not in them. The fact that it occurs in a wall
>comes straight out of the script (since it's not in the video then it's not
>canon, right!?).

In Terminus, the Tardis materializes in the form of a door, which does not
lead to the entrance of the Tardis, either.  Granted it's a malfunction,
but we know it can happen.  (I like to believe that the chameleon circuit was
working there for a bit, too.)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:38:26 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> It seems that someone has posted up the movie script we've been talking
> about and lamenting over recently.  
> While I can live with (and did myself) flamings of a script and brief
> descriptions of the plotline to justify the arguments, I have to object
> to that script posting too, in light of recent information that we have
> seen on the net.

Having just gone over some of my older postings, I feel the need to
make this apology stronger than it is here, as it seems I was just
about to post the script myself at one point.  The only thing that
stopped me then was the lack of a copy of the script at hand.

Additionally, I would have been wrong to post the script even before
that recent information as it was, as Johnny Byrne said,
an *early* draft.  It wasn't ready yet, no one wanted that treatment
to go into production, and thus no one deserves his or her name to
be attached to it since they weren't ready to put it out for the
public to see. 

For this encouragement, I here and now apologize, and I would now encourage
the person who did post the script to do the same, to both the entire
net and Mr Byrne.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: colin years
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:35:34 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov15.4153.14168@dosgate>, "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com> writes:
> I hate to be contrary, but there is at least an inch of the "missing
> season".  In "The Making of Doctor Who", a special which was broadcast
> on PBS oh, maybe 1984 or 5, a scene was included from "The Nightmare
> Fair" where the Sixth Doctor and Peri are on a rollercoaster.  So
> *something* was filmed, though how much I don't know, except that none
> of the stories were completed.  Since Shada was recently released in its
> incomplete form, however, narrated by Tom Baker, it does not seem
> impossible for them to piece together whatever film they have with Colin
> Baker narrating.  And, if Colin refuses (I, for one, wouldn't blame him
> in such a circumstance, though I'd be disappointed as I liked his
> portrayal of the Doctor), the Ultimately Annoying One, Nicola Bryant
> (aka Peri), could narrate.


Whoa!  Wait a minute here!  
"The Making of Doctor Who" I saw dealt with the filming of "Silver Nemesis"
and made no mention of at all of "Nightmare Fair."
Additionally, I know for a fact that the hiatus was called before any
production on anything in the season was made, including the location
work for "Nightmare Fair," so I don't see how you could have seen this.
Are you absolutely sure you _saw_ the Sixth Doctor and Peri in a 
rollercoaster, in costume (big one here, it could just be a promotional
spot for PBS otherwise) on PBS?  If this is true, then the BBC has been
lying to us for quite some time about this....


> 
> Hell, for that matter, they could hang these bits (and if there's one
> bit, there are bound to be others) into a special narated by a Time Lord
> lecturing at the Prydonian Acadamy with a Space-Time viewer and no other
> mention of the Doctor whatsoever than is in the film, plus "lecture", ie
> narration.
> --
> Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario

I still can't believe these bits exist, but if you can be a bit more
specific about what you saw I'm certainly going to have a lot more
doubts about what I thought was fact....

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch)
Subject: This whole Ace thing.
Originator: kausch@brador.math.lsa.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:27:41 GMT


...I may as well join the band wagon.  What I don't understand is why Ace?
If you want to pick on companions, why not try Mel?  Peri would be far too
easy to roast, so I'll skip her.  OK, get your flame-throwers pointed at me,
the most inconsistant companion I can think of is Nyssa.  I find her and interesting one in that she's headstrong one moment and cringing the next,
sometimes she can't figure which way is up, but in Terminus, for example,
she's suddenly finds a solution to the biggest plague in the universe.  Do
the script writers flip a coin before each episode or what?

Ready, aim fire.

---p. de terre
From: norbeck@procyon.bucknell.edu (She Who Must Be Obeyed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,
Subject: Re: Your firsts
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:25:20 GMT
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In article <92322.163624IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
>first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
>experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
>when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
>the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
>was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
>happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
>But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
>
>
>   Scorby...

(Interesting choice of nickname there...)

When I was in about 3rd grade my local PBS station was showing Who is
episode format, right after all the educational programming they show
in the summers.  I had just been watching something about the lunar
landing in 1969 when I saw the opening credits and heard the weird
music, and saw "The Brain of Morbius" and figured I'd see what it was.
It was in the middle of the story, which I didn't understand to begin
with, but I watched it and was rather scared by parts of it.  I don't
think I watched it again that summer.

Several years later, when I was a freshman in high school, a girl from
Minnesota moved to my school district.  She'd lived for a few years in
the UK and was quite hooked on Who.  We quickly becamse best friends
and our parents quickly worried that we were too obsessed with this
weird show from across the pond.  We wrote stories, watched
religiously, etc. etc.  

It was great fun.  And still is.


Nancy




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