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From: mbn@fps.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazers
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:11:50 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@fps.com
Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
In-reply-to: jerryo@pdx103's message of 8 Apr 92 20:05:01 GMT

>>>>> "jerry" == Jerry Orleck <jerryo@pdx103> writes:

[Portland vs Golden State]

jerry> Once again Nellie came up with an interesting game plan considering
jerry> two of his key players weren't here.  He had Owens run the ball
jerry> club and he looked very good.  As much as I thought that the trade
jerry> for him was crazy when it was made, Ownes has proved GS correect in
jerry> that move.  I don't remember the numbers exactly but Billy was damn
jerry> close to a triple double.  His ball handling was excellent - I
jerry> remeber, in particular, a drive the length of the court weaving
jerry> through defenders (I use that term losely) and ending with a slam.

I agree that Billy Owens looked awfully good as a point guard.  He can
handle the ball well, and left Buck Williams standing flat-footed more
than once.  I suppose you might want to change that match-up if it
continued, maybe trying Clyde on Owens, for example.  

If there's a better coach (in terms of technical coaching skills) in the
NBA than Nellie, I don't know who it is.  He's a match-up genius.  Name
another NBA team without a center that's had the success of GS this year
(no, you can't count Portland with Duckworth here :-)).

jerry> So.  The final week of positioning continues.  One could go crazy
jerry> trying to figure out who they would rather play and what that would
jerry> take in terms of wins and losses for each team.  I think Seattle
jerry> will pass San Antonio for 5th and I give the Clippers a good chance
jerry> to get 6th but, I can't figure if it will be Houston or the Lakers
jerry> for 8th.

As Hot Rod Hundley (the Jazz TV/radio announcer and former NBA all-star)
says:  "Baby, you've gotta love it!"  What a great time of year (and I'm
not talking about "March Madness" here)!
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From: vince@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Vince Stanton)
Subject: Tim Perry question.
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:04:25 GMT

Sorry to be a pest, but here in Australia we don't receive
much in the way of info - appart from this net and one delayed
replay a week.
I've been watching now for 3 years, and don't remember seeing
or hearing anything about Tim Perry. I believe this is his
third year, all with the Suns? He really has impressed me with
his court coverage and leaping ability ( who said i am easily
impressed ). I'd just like some raw data, like where he came
from( uni, growing-up, etc. ), and is he likely to improve
because as I said, I don't recall him from last year and he looks
good to me.
thanks in advance.
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From: jntlp@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:08:09 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Apr15.175049.20435@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
> This is in response to a previous article titled "Bulls STOMP Cavs" (I believe
> it was called.)   The Cavs got their revenge, and the Bulls were simply beat.
> 
> You can say that they didn't have Jordan, and oh well, that's the cause.
> 
> You are correct.  What happens to the Bulls if some guy like Laimbeer knocks
> Jordan out of the playoffs?  You could call it a cheap shot, but it would
> be a dose of reality for the Bulls.
> 
> Gary Blickhan

Did you see the game?  TNT was supposed to carry it but then they ended up
showing the Heat/Pistons instead.  We are TERRIBLY limited in cable channels up
here so I had no chance to see what was going on.

I can see by the stats, though, that both Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen were
significantly down in minutes played.  Was coach Jackson resting them or was
there an extended "garbage time" at the end that they sat out?

By the way, I think your hypothetical situation up there makes a GREAT case why
Jordan deserves the NBA MVP award this year.  Who could be more valuable to the 
NBA than the one player that makes such a differnce to the NBA's leading team?

Tom Pittman
Juneau, Alaska
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Blazer Status?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:39:13 GMT

erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson) writes:
>Ennis Whatley is a journeyman CBA/NBA point guard who has stepped up to be
>the backup to Terry Porter since Robert Pack, rookie sensation out of USC,
>went down with a dislocated shoulder against the Clippers.  Whatley had 
>been on the injured reserve list since training camp; something about 
>straining his back or something.  But he has been really quite amazing
>in his time against San Antonio (Sunday) and the Mavericks (last night).
>If you didn't see him on NBC last Sunday, you missed quite a show--he was
>sweeping to the basket, a little squirt shorter than Terry Porter going up
>against San Antonio's center and forwards (granted, without Robinson)
>and doing some remarkably Jordan-esque flips to the basket.  They were even
>going in, if you can believe it.

>Watch this guy; he may turn out to be another one of the Blazers' stars
>who came from little-known beginnings (three of the Blazers' starting five
>are from Division II schools).

	Ennis Whatley came out of Alabama -- and was a #1 pick of the
	Chicago Bulls in 1983.  He came out rather highly touted -- in fact,
	some called him the next Tiny Archibald -- but he never really
	panned out and became a classic journeyman.

	Jazzy J
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From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Subject: Jordan is out!  (for tonight)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:02:29 GMT


    Michael is not playing in tonight Cavs Bulls game. He has a 
tendinitis of the left knee! Not like this game was significant
anyway, both teams have clinched their spots in the playoffs. 
Watch the game if u can, it's TNT!! For all you cable people. :)
-- 
"Sometimes people don't understand, what they have until it's gone...
some people don't know somebody loves them, until it's too late baby..
you better wake up girl, and realize what u got baby.." - Keith Sweat
Alex Canada -- am402@cleveland.freenet.edu    CAVS in '92
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From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin)
Subject: Re: Sixers no playoffs-enter Shaq lottery
Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.044046.19093@icf.hrb.com>, mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>Yes, My Sixers lost and they won't be in the playoffs thus giving us a chance 
>for Shaq!!!

if only they really were yours, and not Harold Katz's.
>
>
>                                                              Mike Kelley
>                                                              HRB Systems
>                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Manute
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:56:33 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

Hi

About Manute's car. I remember reading somewhere, his car does not have front
seat. He sits in the back seat and drives.


Ciao

Parag
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: EC semi finals
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:34:18 GMT

In article <9820@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>
koswatta@bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:

>When you see quotes such as "down such an such... go C...",
>"... Legend is back.  Here we go", "such and such is the
>team to beat the ...s", time has arrived to ask the following
>Question.
>
>Can Pistons take Bulls beyond 4 games in the Eastern Conference
>semi finals before bowing out?
>

The Pistons new trapping defense and increased passing has served them well
since they've implemented it for the past 3 games - all resulting in wins.

They hope the trapping will slow down Jordan and Pippen in the second round
of the playoffs. How did it work so-far against the big guns? Ewing (who had
scored 45 points the previous time they met) got 19 points and 7-17 shooting.
Barkley scored 22 points and his team scored a franchise-low of 71 points.
Well see tonite how Larry Johnson does.;)

Despite the worse record this season, something tells me they will not be
swept by the Bulls this time. Of course it may be unrealistic to think
that they could "win it all" but I can dream, can't I? ;->

Key eastern coaches, Pat Riley and Phil Jackson, are convinced that, other
than the Bulls, the Pistons are the biggest Eastern Conf threat this season.

--Eric
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: The Big East Is Back
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:54:37 GMT

MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>>The Big East conference snuck into prime time TV yesterday when
>>Georgetown beat Seton Hall in a scintilating 72-61 shootout.
>>
>>For contractual reasons, the game was billed as an NBA matchup between
>>New York and Detroit.  Yeah, right.
>>
>>Third quarter score:  13-10.  Say WHA?!!!

Far more interesting was the 2-13 FG shooting by NY in the 2nd q!

>>As usual, the broadcast was brought to you by Dutch Boy paints.
>>
>>
>>--Gidi
>
>Was that a college game?  I thought both teams sneaked in high school
>players.
>
>That was the worst NBA game I have ever seen.  Of course, these are the
>two teams I hate most, so I enjoyed laughing at them.

You guys just don't appreciate good defense!
I loved this game! Especially the second q and the ending!
The 3rd q did leave me a little flat, I admit...

I wonder what the Boston fans thought of this one. Any comments?

>
>Jim McMaster
>

--Eric
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 21:33:11 EDT
From: <IO11087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: What will they do next?

             Now I consider myself a VERY biased, close-minded
Celtics' fan, but never in my wildest dreams would
I have dared say that The Men In Green would now
be in their present postion.

This is the ideal time of the year to have
such momentum, hoping that it will carry
a team into the playoffs.  I don't believe
that with the players they have, that the
Celtics could play any better.  They are
presently the hottest team in the NBA.

I hope the C's end up playing Miami in the 1st
round of the playoffs.  I would love to see
Shaw get his ass schooled by Sherm  (and
countless other C's).  Don't ever underestimate
this team.  I did a month ago, and now they're
making me eat my words...

By the way, I believe I more credible explanation
can be given as a reason for the Celtics' recent
success:  this may sound stupid (borderline insane
actually), but in a religious effort to do my part
in being the consumate fan, I began exclusively using
the green colored meal trays in the dining commons here
at the university.  Since that time, the Celtics have
done me a favor by winning 14 of 15, the only loss to
Indiana, which was in the same week that I got a blue
tray by mistake.  That is strange, no?  I also made Larry
get injured again.  Sorry, fellow C's fans.      8)



Bye y'all.

Go Celts!!!!!!

-GumbyJr
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers no playoffs-enter Shaq lottery
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:22:09 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.162014.13809@crd.ge.com> hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.063426.9548@agora.uucp>, robart@agora.uucp (Robert
>Barton) writes:
>|>In article <1992Apr15.153548.18637@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
>jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>|>>
>|>> Yeah, a 1-in-66 chance.  But stranger things have happened.
>
>Actually, more like 3 in 66, Philly will probably finish 9th overall
>Which is actually almost 5%.  Shaq and Barkley would make an awesome combo,
>but I still don't think Philly would dominate!  It takes more quality all-
>around players (look at the teams who have won the title the last 5 years)
>
>
>|>  What odds would you Philly fans give on Barkley being back next year?
>
>Barkley will be back unless someone is willing to take a risk in trading for
>him - He has alreay said he will play 3 more years and no more...Philly has
>made some awful trades in recent years (Moses, Missing Brad Dougherty, Ruland)
>Katz simply can't afford to trade the heart and soul of the franchise no
>matter how OURAGEOUS he is!!!
>
>Shaq and Barkley for Pres `92
>
>Hoping,
>Chris Hanley
>hanley@crd.ge.com
>

One thing in particular amazes me about the 76'ers, and to some extent their
fans. Everyone looks at the 6'ers as Charles Barkley and a bunch of stiffs,
which is patently not true. Hersey Hawkins is an All* 2 guard and Johnney 
Dawkins was playing extremely well before his injury and is starting to
recover well after it. In fact, Armon Gilliam is probably an above average
power forward, so the 6'ers really have only two major holes, the center
spot and the bench. Now look around the league for a second, even back into
history a little, there are many teams that have been very successful with
equivalent or less talent. The '87 Sonics with 2 small forwards and a shooting
guard took the Lakers to seven games in the Western Conference finals, Utah
before they got a bench and Jeff Malone, rode Karl Malone and John Stockton
to back to back 50 win seasons. The Golden State Warriors with a developing
point in Tim Hardaway, a great shooting small forward in Chris Mullin and
a scoring guard in Mitch Richmond had at least winning seasons before the
Owens trade. Look at the team now, 2 legitamate all-stars a promising rookie,
no size in the middle and one good player off the bench.

No, I don't think it is the personel as much as it is the attitude and the
coaching. Hell, what does New Jersey have this season that Philly doesn't,
or Atlanta for that matter? I will make a flat foot prediction that the
76'ers will not be a serious playoff contender until there is a coaching     
change. Right now it seems Barkley runs this team more than anyone else,
and that has to change for the team to win.


Dan Perreault
dasaxe@u.washington.edu
From: ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Can you buy players?
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:59:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

It seems you could make a pretty lucrative business out of this.
If you have a terrible team with no real prospects for being decent
in the near future (e.g., Minnesota or Sacramento), just stay bad.
Sell the rights to your #1 pick (no worse than 4th overall, and 1st
one time out of six) to the highest bidder, get one of top four
picks again, sell the rights again, etc...  You won't have to worry
about paying good players-- your total costs for players' and
coaches' salaries could be kept under $4 million-- and
administrative costs will be low.  Ticket sales won't be the best,
but you could keep your head above water, and make additional
income by scheduling occasional games against the Globetrotters.
You should move the franchise to a city where crime rates are low,
so you won't have to worry about being murdered by angry fans.

(Do you think I can expect a lot of stupid mail and followups from
net.idiots who take this article seriously?  I hope not.)

Tony
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From: nolty@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty)
Subject: A Little Perspective on the Clippers
Organization: Pasadena Grad Turkey
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:31:32 GMT

The last time this franchise (Boston Braves at the time) made the playoffs,
 o Gerald Ford was president
 o People were listening to The Village People on their 8-tracks
 o Everyone was excited about bicentennial quarters
 o John Travolta was considered a pretty sexy guy
 o Shaquille O'Neal was gearing up for kindergarten
 o etc. etc. etc.
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From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bulls Will Lose Some More.
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:23:42 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

There has been a lot of speculation and gloating over recent Bull's 
losses.  The netters are reading too much into these games.  Phil 
Jackson's strategy has been clearly stated in the newspapers.   With 
nothing at stake, he is giving the bench much more playing time to 
develop their confidence for the playoffs and is trying to get a lot 
of rest for the starting 5 so they can build to another peak in the 
playoffs.  Jackson says that they'd like to win the rest of the 
regular season games, however that's not the main goal, and they 
are willing to live with some losses.  You can save your gloating 
over the Bull's losses until after the playoffs.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:40:51 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Apr7.142724.14036@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>
>As Phil Jackson said after the game, "We didn't play well,
Correct.
> they didn't play well
What game was he at? The Blackhawks, probably.
> and the officiating was horrible...
That's alot of Bull. It must have been the refs that lost him all
14 games this season.
>Must be daylight savings time.
No.Really??? Well,it's a good thing you did arrive into Boston on Saturday.
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors (Warriors/Jazz)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: coate.OLIVER.92Apr15180640
	<OLIVER.92Apr15041646@ballard1.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr15.094616.54500@cc.usu.edu> <1992Apr15.110540.1@vaxr.llnl.gov>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.110540.1@vaxr.llnl.gov> edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov wrote:
>   The homecourt advantage seems to mean more to Utah than any other team.
> I've seen the Jazz demolish the Warriors three times this year, twice in
> Utah, and the Warriors are a very respectable road team (24-17).  Why
> is it that Utah is so tough at home and so mediocre on the road (as of a 
> days ago, they were 35-4 at home, 17-23 on the road)?  Is it a few specific
> players, the officiating, the altitude, or what?

Maybe it's their predictability.

SMACK! <whinny> 
SMACK! <whinny>

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: A Little Perspective on the Clippers
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:09:23 GMT

nolty@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:
>The last time this franchise (Boston Braves at the time) made the playoffs,
				^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whoa there. They were the BUFFALO Braves.  In 1976 Boston had another
team, you might have heard of them.

The Boston Braves were a baseball team, a long long time ago.  They moved
to Milwaukee and then to Atlanta.


--Gidi

				``No Buffalo Jokes!''
				-- Adam, in Northern Exposure
From: awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Tony Wesley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Big East Is Back
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:17:00 GMT
Organization: National Federation of Associations

MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.230325.28126@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>>Third quarter score:  13-10.  Say WHA?!!!

>Was that a college game?  I thought both teams sneaked in high school
>players.
> 
>That was the worst NBA game I have ever seen.  Of course, these are the
>two teams I hate most, so I enjoyed laughing at them.

Yeah, I hate it when teams play defense.  The Pistons were the worst.  Obvious
that they are high school caliber, holding the 76ers and the Knicks to their 
lowest output in team history in two consectutive games.  Now,
real NBA style-basketball with REAL talent is played by Denver. . .

>Jim McMaster
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 Tony Wesley					 awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu

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From: normb@zen.biostat.washington.edu (Norm Bohidar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Sixers Draft Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:41:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biostatistics, University of Washington, Seattle
Originator: normb@zen.biostat.washington.edu


I was wondering if it is really true that the Sixers will have
a lottery pick if they continue their losing ways.  The reason I am
wondering is that in the past few years the Sixers have obtained
Rick Mahorn, Manute Bol, and Jayson Williams - all for first round
draft choices.  I think GS used the one they got for Bol to
draft Victor Alexander out of Iowa State last year, but I thought 
someone (Detroit or Phoenix) had this year's.  Last year the Sixer's 
highest pick was in the second round, and they took Alvaro Teheran out
of Houston who had already been signed by a Spanish team.  Teheran
was cut by that team shortly after their season started.  It seems
that ever since they won the lottery and traded away the #1
pick (Daugherty) for Roy Hinson and cash, the Sixers (or I should
really say Harold Katz) have not been able to help themselves with
the draft.  Chris Welp, where are you now?