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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Square Kippot (was: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments)
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:38:04 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov15.201508.28866@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
>If one were to wear a square kippah, would it require tzitzit?
>(is a kippah considered a garment?)

I'd guess yes, but I really have no idea.  But wouldn't thatbe the
ultimate in Jewish-Hippie styles (probably the only instance as well!)
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: More Mutlu articles crossposted in scj
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:11:49 GMT

I will not waste bandwidth.
I will not waste bandwidth.
I will not waste bandwidth...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear."
                --Mark Twain
From: khaikin@tuna.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.070100.23237@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.142634.28904@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>nasser@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hima Vatti) writes:
>
>
>I'll leave out the disgusting part. Does anyone else thik that this may be one
>of the best recent reasons  for going to a moderated group??
>
>

I am sorry, I am sure what you mean. Maybe I missed some articles. Could
you explain to me what exactly you mean by "group"? You mean newsgroup?

Thanks
Dima
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   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:01:17 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

I apologize, if I repeat previous arguments.

In article <1ep31bINNr9v@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>
>Since when was there a patent on monotheism?  Cultures are always inheriting
>from other cultures.

Jews probably have patent on monotheism from the time of Avraam, maybe when
he was told by God "lekh-lekha", or when Melchitzedek (he:Shem) came
to bless him.

On the other hand, people had an idea before, they just began forgetting...
plus  patent is not active and we not get revenues from publications
(unfortunately).

What on earth did Judaism 'lose'
>by the fact that a new religion with some roots in Judaism sprang up? 

Probably nothing, not considering miriads of killed Jews...
In fact, Rambam right in "Mishnei Torah" , that the role of xnity 
and etc. in the world is to familiarize world with the ideas of
God, Mashiach, etc.
(I was studying this place, whe first encountered with J4J guys
in Italy, got some very good ideas, how to speak with them).

>As for people getting points for converting a Jew, my honest reaction is
>'so what?'
xnity is good for nonjews ( by some - or many - or some - modern
opinions), but it is definitely Avoda Zora for Jews by any opinions,
so your reaction should logically be as reaction to the people,
who try to make you " a very bad thing", speaking simple language.

>  I don't really care if someone is trying to convert me to save
>my immortal soul (sarcasm on) or to get brownie points on some eternal
>scorecard.  It's unwelcome and will be discouraged either way.  

The encouraging fact, that you don't feel threatened has nothing
to do with how we should look at them, granted that there are
many other Jews, less educated than you.


>			. . .Alexandra
>
>(warning: whose ivrit is *much* better than her russki yazik)
Then you can look or more info in Mishnei Torah (Avoda Zorah ?,
somen`body correct me, if I'm wrong, pls), it is several pages 
of very easy ivrit.

Senya Streltsov
p.s. Ivrit sheli is lo kol kah tov ke rusit sheli.
Ve gam anglit keivrit.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: When SANHEDRIN will be around ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:59:50 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)

In article <1eajjmINN4hi@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01 (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>how can I, then, make an appointment next month, when I don't know
>what day it'll be ? how will I be able to plan my vecation when I
>can't know if PESACH will be on SHABAT or not !!!!!

Ask our Karaite or Muslim cohorts.  They have that problem.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Living in Israel - Voting in USA
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:54:14 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov13.184645.24697@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>I guess this makes Yigal (or at least his parents) a Zionist.
>
>Wait till his friends in the Intrafada find out.

What happens then, Sami?

I didn't think Yigal is a Zionist anymore ...

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Demons (was Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:08:04 GMT

nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writesz:
> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

> >I always forget whether one is permitted or forbidden to speak to
> >demons on Shabbos.
> 
> You're clearly permitted to speak to demons on Shabbos if they speak to you
> first.

I guess that explains why people in my shul never say "Shabbat Shalom"
to me unless I say it to them first.

-Don Gertler
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Was the Holocaust Unique?
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:27:42 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


What about Amalek?
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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jonathan Pollard...
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:50:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   Jonathan Pollard is a man who is condemned to prison, for the
rest of his life.  He was condemned to this fate for passing off
intelligence information to Israel.  It has been noted that this
data involved the increased efforts by Iraq to increase chemical
and biological warfare capabilities.  Much of the buildup in the
areas of Israeli civil defense was due to information which came
from Jonathan Pollard.  Our government's reaction to Pollard was
not only swift, but stunningly cruel.  And the sentence that was
handed down for his espionage was beyond previous sentencing for
similar crimes.  Israel is an ally of the United States.  It has
always been an ally.  In spite of the hysterical reaction on the
part of Mr. Casper Weinberger, Pollard NEVER committed the crime
of treason.  This dispicable crime is the act of selling secrets
to the enemy.  It is a crime that is considered so grave that an
individual can be put to death for it.  It is the crime that was
committed for years by the Walker family.  The Walker family was
engaged in the selling of defense secrets to the USSR for eleven
years.  The nature of what they sold to the Russians was of such
a comprimising nature that defense experts stated we wouldn't be
able to undo the damage for years.
   Jonathan Pollard provided information which the United States
had promised to provide Israel anyway.  What he gave to our ally
in the mideast was information necessary for Israel to provide a
measure of security for itself.  In no way did Pollard engage in
any sort of activity against our country.  And yet he recieved a
sentence equal to that of people who committed treason.
   Jonathan Pollard is a criminal.  He engaged in espionage, and
was convicted of this crime.  And though, as a Jew, I am glad he
did it, he must be recognized as a criminal.  As it is noted, if
you can't do the time, don't do the crime.  But the time must be
somewhat proportional to the crime.  The wrath of Weinberger was
enough to bring the weight of the federal geovernment down on an
individual who would never knowingly harm his country.  His fate
was the same as that of a genuine traitor's.
   I am at a loss to come up with what can be done at this point
in time.  But I do know that Jonathan Pollard must never be left
to rot away in prison, as if he was an American back-stabber, as
if he was a traitor like the Walker family.  We must continue to
seek a solution to this miscarraige of justice.
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:54:17 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <2837@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>In <1992Nov12.184328.12636@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> segs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (susan.e.slusky) writes:

>>The tk is a pain to launder, if you really want to know. 
>>Washing machines are very tough on the tzitzit.

>About five or six years ago, there was a discussion here on how to
>wash tk's, the best suggestion, (I've forgotten whose it was, and I
>don't have archives ...) in my experience, is to wind all four tzitzit
>around four fingers of a hand and to place a rubber band (which must
>be twisted many times to make it tight) around them so they don't
>unfold in the wash.  When washed this way, I usually find that the
>material of the tk begins to give out before enough threads break to
>make it pasul.

That's fine for the tk, but isn't the washing machine tough on your hand?










-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Nov18.032715.283@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>  Not to mention that according to (Yivamot? it was daf yomi in August)
>   there is no possibility of pregnancy from a woman's first relations
>   which would mean that one could never get started.

I wonder how many pregnancies have resulted from this belief?

>   (I wonder why the Amoraim excluded Lot's daughters. Anybody know?)

Rashi (Ber. 20:36  after Berishit Rabbah 51:9) explains how they
managed to conceive.

But I have another question - Rashi (Ber 49:3) says that Reuven
resulted from Yaakov's first sexual act.  If Leah was a virgin (and we
know that we're supposed to assume that brides are), how did she
convceive?
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 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:21:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.070100.23237@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.142634.28904@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>nasser@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hima Vatti) writes:
>
>
>I'll leave out the disgusting part. Does anyone else thik that this may be one
>of the best recent reasons  for going to a moderated group??
>
>

For my $0.02: a resounding NO.

Hap
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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: the Nature of Honey
Keywords: Entomology, honey, lice, 1st century science
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:03:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.234419.20909@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:

>Now as to honey, my wife-the-entomologist says that honey is produced in the
>following way:
>
>The bee sucks up the plant juices and holds them in its crop. When it is 
>time to put the honey into the comb it is regurgitated and the bee holds
>each drop between its mandibles and manipulates it. The honey is mixed with
>salivary juices and digestive enzymes (including a whole bunch of anti-fungal
>and anti-bacterial compounds whose names I can't pronounce) and divested
>of almost all of its water by evaporation. In short, the honey is processed by
>the bee and is much different than the plant juices from which it originated.
>The bee does these things in order to turn the nectar into something more
>compact and more resistant to spoilage. It is in no wise identical to raw
>plant juice.
>

Thank you for the explanation as to what exactly happens.  This is
the reason given in the Talmud for bee honey being considered
Kosher.  That is, the processing of the plant juices occur in the
crop and outside the bees body.  Milk on the other hand is created
within the body of the animal completely.  The fact that honey
differs from the original material does not apply.  An analogy
would be comparing cheese to milk.  The two are very different but
the rules are the same.

_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Sunday, 22 November 1992 10:49:15 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.14
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <BxvM23.E10@fiu.edu>, steinm2d@serss0 (Daniel Steinmetz)  wrote:
# 
# Judaism considers sex as "legal" only when it is done to reproduce.

  Somehow I don't think Sarah had this in mind when she (unexpectedly)
  concieved Isaac.  Or do you think that she and Abraham were
  celibate for forty years or so beforehand?

  On the contrary, Judaism recognizes the importance of (marital!)
  sex throughout life.  A man's obligations to his wife don't end
  with her reproductive years.

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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: nothing to do with jesus of Nazareth
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:57:34 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


In article <2817@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <4443@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>>The slogen:  " Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh "  means:
>
>>    "It is better to expel Jews
>>        than to fight ( the  Arabs  who want Jews  to disappear) . "
>
>Gideon is not entirely incorrect, although, as in many translations,
>the translator's interpretation has been added, at the expense of
>accurately conveying the intent of the person who said it.
>
>Maybe this does have something to do with the original title, after
>all - compare translations of the Tanach.
>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |warren@
>/ nysernet.org                             Jerusalem

My translation was an accurate one, Warren agree with that fact,
Every one who knows what "zav pinuy" is and what a "zav shmone is"
and is familiar with the Israeli culture knows my translation is
accurate.

Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan.

Only a racist thinks that just a goy may be an anti-Semite.

Shalom   Gideon
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From: mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Halacha when the decisive facts were wrong (was Re:
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:17:51 GMT
Organization: New York University

A very good article on the use of electricity on Shabbat was published a few
years back in the Journal of Halakha and Contemporary Society.  The authors
point out in a footnote that a few poskim in the late 19th century prohibited
the use of electricity on Shabbat based on the notion that it is a form of 
fire, and the authors state simply that these poskim apparently misunderstood 
the physics involved.  More recent responsa on this issue reflect a better 
understanding of what electricity is.

--

Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)
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From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: "Arromdians" will not get away with the Turkish genocide's 
 cover-up.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:09:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <9211221257@zuma.UUCP>
sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

> A genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people in an 
> attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime in history. 
> It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and the Armenian 
> dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed in the worst 
> ways imaginable.

[a lot more hot air was deleted]

Remember, Serdar, that the Turkish Government today is denying the
Kurds basic rights.  Additionally, the Ottomans killed roughly one
million Armenians in the latter part of World War I.  Are you ever
going to admit this?


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
'Denial is not just a river in Africa' -- Stuart Smalley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Why the double standard (was Re: Why I think Kach's policies ...)
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:37:53
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
	<RLK.92Nov15093227@underprize.think.com>
	<1992Nov17.134136.24774@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
Summary: It's not a double standard, but a misinterpretation
In-reply-to: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:41:36 GMT

I emailed Sam basically stating that I was misinterpreted (I believe
that I wasn't entirely clear on what I was saying).  I have no problem
with Israel kicking out anyone convicted of a terrorist action or
conspiracy (even a minor one such as throwing stones).  My points were:

1) The security of the state of Israel is not under immediate threat of
attack or attack itself from any organized power (state), that I can
see.

2) IMHO, being of Arab ancestry does not make one a participant in a
conspiracy, or a Fifth Columnist, any more than being of Japanese
ancestry made someone a security threat during WWII (as most people
today agree that the US action of interning Japanese-Americans was
wrong).

3) Relatives, friends, acquaintances, business associates, and
sympathizers (the last in the sense of "sympathizers of the enemy") do
not automatically get "jailed, expelled, whatever" (investigated,
perhaps, but certainly not jailed or expelled) in democratic societies
(or at least should not).

I certainly meant no disrespect toward those killed in rocket attacks,
nor toward their friends and families, and I certainly do not suggest
that Israel accept those attacks without reprisal.  However, reprisal
should be aimed at those who commit the attacks rather than at third
parties who are not involved in them.
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From: jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:18:38 GMT
Reply-To: <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))>
Organization: Nysernet
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org

In article <2806@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet (Warren Burstein) writes:
>Another question is, as I remember it (if anyone thinks I have
>remembered it wrong, please go home and look it up before you tell me
>that I am wrong), one is allowed to kill lice on Shabbat because they
>are spontaneously generated.  [...]

Is this directly from the Torah or from some other writings?  I am curious.

JJ
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:05:28 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Yaakov Kayman)

In article <92321.132646YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, YZKCU@CUNYVM (Yaakov Kayman) writes:
>>Both of us were talking about a conversion.  That meant qualifications
>>for a witness, not a judge, were the issue.

>Wrong. The composition and qualifications of the beit din to effect a
>conversion are the issue.

Then why are YOU puzzled that O rabbis say that some C conversions
could be valid, and I'm not puzzled?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)