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From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: parakeets in the wild!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:13:13 GMT

Karen M. Bourque (kbourque@MtHolyoke.edu) wrote:
: households.  Does anyone know the fate of these poor birds?

I don't know how hardy keets are.  Any keet owners out there who want to tackle
this one????

: Could one easily catch one and bring it inside to save it?  I can't

A zoo vet I know will gradually sprinkle the bird until it is soaked.  Then it
cannot fly very well and becomes easier to catch.  You could also try putting
out a bird cage with seed in it.  

Consider posting your questions to rec.pets.birds.  You will probably get a
much better response.
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From: chris@mks.com (Chris Retterath)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.activism,ont.general,sci.environment,talk.environment,ut.general
Subject: Re: Beluga Whales Die at Shadd Aquarium in Chicago, Ill
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:44:19 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

In article <Bv4CH2.2D6@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> orr@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Bob Orr) writes:
-stuff deleted-
>As a practising scientist I am ashamed to carry the same label as
>Baker.

I notice you're with physics at UofT -- what qualifications do you
have in biology/marine biology/aquaria? 

>	I am urgently seeking others to help stop this outrageous
>un-science. 

Running a large aquarium requires the capture of animals from the wild,
just like a zoo. Have you actively sought to prevent this in the past,
or are you just jumping on the latest 'i-luv-whales' bandwagon?

I've heard the whales in question are by no means threatened -- are you
protesting their slaughter by Inuit as well, or is it only bad if a 'white'
takes a whale? Is the 'Northern wilderness' threatened by this
tiny loss?

>	Determination to stop this stupidity will pay off.

Whose stupidity? The whales died by accident. Do you think anyone would
take the trouble they did to kill them on purpose?

	Chris Retterath
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: GEN5075@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (CLAIRE MOXON)
Subject: please help
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:06:14 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13.SMU

I posted a file here a little while ago and got no responses - I am
worried about my posting because the default for "destination" is
local on my machine.  Am I supposed to type in "world"?  I really need
to get some info on my new chinchillas and I would like to know that
I am posting correctly.  Thank you in advance for any assistance.

New User with New Chinchillas

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Bunnies - effected by fleas??
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:23:25 GMT

We have been have a terrible flea problem this year, worst than any 
previous year.  Question:  Do fleas effect bunnies??  Fluffy is tied outside
when it is nice out. (Yes we supervise - me and her adopted mom our collie).
Bad weather we let her run around the house (in contact with the dogs).

She does not seem to be bothered by the fleas.  If she does get some, how
would we take care of the problem.  What I have read on the net (and in
books) buns can be effected by so much.  I don't want to hurt her but I
don't want the possibly of her suffering with fleas like our dogs.

Any suggestions - info.  Thanks
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Newsgroups: rec.pets,wi.forsale,uwisc.forsale
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: Pet Stuff for sale
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:33:49 CDT

CEDAR CHIPS FOR SMALL ANIMAL BEDDING/LITTER OR OTHER

I recently bought some cedar wood chips that
I had planned on using for litter, but I can't
stand the smell, and if I can't sell/give them
away, I am going to throw them away, so rather 
than be wasteful... does anyone out there have a use
for them???  

Please mail me if you are interested.

Chris.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kerri@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Kerri Power)
Subject: My sick gerbil
Summary: Gerbil with infected scent gland
Keywords: gerbil
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:27:04 GMT

 I have a three year old albino gerbil that I think might have an infected scent gland, as there is a bald spot on her stomach. But I'm not sure, because her
 genitals are also very red and infected looking. 
I've had several gerbils, but I never had this problem before. Maybe someone out
there who has heard of this can help me. I've been putting hydrogen peroxide on it but it hasn't helped.
I don't want to bring her to the vet because I really doubt they know much about gerbils, and the shock would probably kill her anyway, as she's old in gerbil years. Has anyone heard of gerbils getting infected genitals? I'd be grateful for
any suggestions. Thanks.
Please e-mail any replies.
 Kerri

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: cathy@techbook.com (Cathy Gaupo)
Subject: Breeding of purebreads
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:06:52 GMT

I am thinking of breeding my keeshound.  She is 1 year old and
has gone through 1 heat.

I don't know anything about breeding, and any information about the pros
and cons would be helpful. 

Can I breed her at the next heat or should I wait until she's 2.
Where do I find a male keeshond?  (DO I place ads in the paper, or
ask my vet, etc.) 

Also, after I have seen the male specimen, what do I look for?  How do
I know that this dog is healthy and a good candidate for my dog?

A real dumb question, but one I will ask anyhow is this.  My dog is
beautiful.  She has better coloring and markings than any other keeshond
I have seen.  When I pick out the male, should I also want a dog that is
marked as beautifully as she is.  Just how important are the looks?

Again, any and info would be appreciated.

Please email to me at cathy@techbook.com

Thanks

Cathy

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From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: hamster help?
Keywords: hamster, piddle, *AAARRRGGHH***
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:42:52 GMT

In article <cesnyd01.717106936@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> cesnyd01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Cris Snyder) writes:
>I have a 8-week old hamster, male, and he constantly uses the wheel as a 
>bathroom.  Also, he uses the solarium (yes, it's a Habitrail system) for one,
>too.  Solids upstairs, liquids downstairs, you get the picture.  I don't really
>mind him using the upstairs so much, but how do I stop him from piddling in the
>wheel?
>
One of mine had a tendency to pee in her wheel, but since it was a wire
wheel, it did't pose a problem.  The stuff just squirted out upon the
litter two levels down.  She also had a tendency to do it in her 
exercise ball, and occasionally when she was running on my hands like
a treadmill.  In the last case, though, it was pretty clear she tried
to hold it, but just couldn't.  She didn't go through her usual dance
before letting it fly.  I think the problem is that they just tend 
to fill their bladders while running (they can cover several "miles"
per day).  Then they let it out when they suddenly feel the urge, and 
don't have time to get to their usual spot.  My hamster, other than
when running, was very insistent on using the correct spot.  All I
can say is keep washing it.  

I used to have a Habitrail, but my first hamsters managed to chew
their way through the plastic and escape.  After that I got a wire
frame cage.  Watch the tabs that hold the doors shut, and make suure
they don't chew them off and get away.  

E.S.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Breeding of purebreads
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:21:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.200652.17888@techbook.com> cathy@techbook.com (Cathy Gaupo) writes:
>I am thinking of breeding my keeshound.  She is 1 year old and
>has gone through 1 heat.
>
>I don't know anything about breeding, and any information about the pros
>and cons would be helpful. 
>

Try rec.pets.dogs and ask for Lisa Miller's posting on the pros and
cons of breeding.  It even made me think twice about breeding my
dogs.

>Can I breed her at the next heat or should I wait until she's 2.
>Where do I find a male keeshond?  (DO I place ads in the paper, or
>ask my vet, etc.) 
>
WAIT WAIT WAIT!  
First, don't breed her until she is checked for hip and eye problems,
as well as doing a lot of research.  
DON'T place an add in the paper.  Don't even ask your vet (it's
their job to talk you out of breeding and they ususally don't know
what a good keeshound should look like).  Instead go immediately
down to your library and get ALL the books on breeding and
specifically about Keeshounds that you can find.  AND THEN READ!
Also, you want to get a copy of your dog's pedigree and look at
her ancestors.  Also check your local newstand for a few
good dog magazines like DogWORLD or DogFANCY and check them
for a local dog show.   Go and talk to local breeders or
if you can have a few of them look at your dog.

>Also, after I have seen the male specimen, what do I look for?  How do
>I know that this dog is healthy and a good candidate for my dog?
>
You need to do a lot of research to know this!  Also ask about
acestors, hip displasia, eye problems, epilepsy problems, etc.
You must be very selective, you only want the best for your dog!

>A real dumb question, but one I will ask anyhow is this.  My dog is
>beautiful.  She has better coloring and markings than any other keeshond
>I have seen.  When I pick out the male, should I also want a dog that is
>marked as beautifully as she is.  Just how important are the looks?
>
Coloring isn't everything.  Over conformation, ability, temperament, and
health are also very very important.

>Again, any and info would be appreciated.
>
>Please email to me at cathy@techbook.com
>
>Thanks
>
>Cathy
>
>-- 

You can contact the AKC at
American Kennel Club
51 Madison Ave.
New York, NY 10010
for more breed information and information on local breed club in your
area.  

Take it from experience, if you are going to breed do it right
or don't do it.  Your either part of the solution or part of
the problem.  Pet overpopulation is serious and good homes are  
hard to come by!   Remember these puppies are your dog's sons and
daughters (Your grandkids :) ) so you want the best homes possible
for them.  

Keep searching, you've taken a very important first step by asking,
keep it up until ALL your questions are answered!  

I hope this helps!!!

---------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee 4 mo. sable and white collies
From: scafati@thor.med.ge.com (Victor-charles Scafati 4-6784 MR Srv)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Pigs- Why are they the perfect pet?
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:22:35 GMT
Organization: GE Medical Systems

In article <Bv9o03.ID8@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep27.201227.18062@techbook.com> cathy@techbook.com (Cathy Gaupo) writes:
|> >Someone wrote they just got a pig- and it's the perfect pet.
|> >
|> >Why is it the perfect pet?
|> >I haven't caught on to the pot bellied pig phase,
|> >and I'm curious why they are so popular.
|> >
|> 
|>    As with virtually anything, 'perfect' is relative & varying term.
|>  
|>    

I have to agree with this statement.  After all, some people wouldn't get on 
well with any sort of animal!  Some of the more attractive points of PBPs 
(based on my own research and first hand experience):

Many people with allergies can tolerate PBPs.  My wife has bad allergies, and
can't stand to be near cats or dogs or horses or rabbits, etc.  If one keeps
their PBP's skin in good shape with a water based hand lotion (as one should
anyway) they have no dander.

Odorless.  Except for boars (unfixed males), they really don't smell at all.
Boars DO smell though.

Intrinsically house/litter box trained. (like a cat)

Non-destructive.  Aside from a report of an overturned garden, we've heard
no reports of damage.

Smart as heck.  They really are.  They figure stuff out fast (sometimes a
problem).  They are more vocally expressive than any other housepet I
know of.

Easily trained. If you can figure out how to get them to do something with
food as a motivation, consider it done.  See: smart as heck.

Affectionate.  They are very sociable.  When they're small, if there's a
lap in the room, they'll get in it.

Adapt well to apartments or rural quarters.  We've spoken to apartment
dwellers with PBPs, and people on farms (who let them out in the morning, 
then back in at night).  It seemed to work out at either extreem (although
the urban pig was on a diet/exercise program for a weight problem).

Reasonable cost.  Here in Wisconsin, plan on $150-$200.  Plus about $200/yr
for food and stuff.

Lastly, Cute.  Cute, cute, cute.


When I get my arm out of this sling, I'll share some of the points we've
learned on how to select a PBP.  Caveat Emptor!

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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbits and growling
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:15:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvJztK.FCJ
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK

It's been my experience (for what it's worth) that my rabbit *hates* the
vacuum. It makes loud, high-pitched sounds, and it can look somewhat 
threatening. Also, it probably smells bad. My bun tends to run and hide, but
I'm not surprised that yours attacks instead.

By the way, where has all the rabbit traffic gone? There used to be a fair
amount of it here, but it seems to have evaporated. Is there a new newsgroup
or mailing list that I don't know about (I was gone for several days)?

Marty

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Newsgroups: rec.pets,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Beluga Whales Die at Shadd Aquarium in Chicago, Ill
From: chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 08:33:12 PDT
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac


> 
> First of all, the name of the aquarium is "Shedd" not "shadd."
> Secondly, I suppose that you are against any type of animal capture
> for the purpose of holding said animal in zoos, etc. for public viewing
> and/or education.  My personal opinion is that IN GENERAL, people can
> learn and/or appreciate animal life better if they are able to come
> face-to-face with the animal.  It is one thing to learn about elephants,
> for example, in a classroom or from a textbook, and another to actually 
> see an elephant close-up.  I will be the first to admit that it is a shame
I'll agree with you to a point but I think we could study them in thier
own enviroment and learn about them still,I mean how natural do you
think thier gonna act in a tiny pool away from thier natural home,
thier familleys and thier freedom?  they are used to having a whole ocean
to swim,hunt and play in!  
  As for seeing whales and zoo animals up close I think this is true
but I still don't think it's important enouph to warrent taking
a wild animal from it's home.  How would you feel if aliens came,
took you away from all the things you are used too,put you in a cage the
size of your bedroom and letting them study you? 


             CHELSEA
Sorry,I just noticed how nasty that sounded and I didn't mean it to be
like that. I just had to voice my opinion about this.

chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Chelsea Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: ness@tc.fluke.COM (Jerry Ness)
Subject: Re: Ferrets in Washington State
Keywords: legality, restrictions
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:56:36 GMT

Ferrets are definately legal in Washington state!
We have been living with the little house weasels for over 10 years now.
You do not have to 'register' ferrets in Washington. 
The tricky part is finding a veterinary that knows anything about ferrets.

Don't forget to pack an umbrella. The Washington rain festival starts in
September and lasts till June. (1/2 :-)

'nuf ramblin'
Jerry

owned by:
Maudi Bryn Ben Toby Bobbin   Magellan Willie Turbo
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         ferrets                     felines
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Xref: sparky rec.pets:3193 sci.environment:11673 talk.environment:3996
From: curtiss@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Curtis Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Hedgehog care
Summary: hedgehogs
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:07:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Sep26.115849.13947@hemlock.cray.com>, anne@cray.com (Anne Chenette) writes:
> My mother says there's a real, live hedgehog living in or near
> her back yard.  Note: This is in Minnesota, USA, where hedgehogs
> are not a native beast (or so I understand).  She wants to catch
> it and keep it as a pet, partly because it will be winter soon
> (temperatures fall to -20 F), but mostly because it's so cute.
> 
> Does anyone have any advise for me to pass on to Mom?  Do
> hedgehogs make good pets?  Or are they crabby and likely to be
> rabid?  What do hedgehogs eat, and how do they prefer to live
> (other than naturally, in the wilds of Europe)?  What will this
> hedgehog think of Mom's two cats and Lab puppy?
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any information.  Please email
> if possible, as my netnews connection is flakey at best.
> 
> 			Thanks,
> 			  Anne Chenette (aka my mother's keeper)
> 			    anne@cray.com
> 			      or
> 				..!uunet!cray!anne

I raise pigmy african hedgehogs.  They are similar to the 
european hedgehog but much smaller (the size of a large
hamster).  Pigmy hedgehogs are somewhat common as pets. The
larger and more aggresive european hedgehogs do not make very
good pets.  Hedgehogs are a member of the shrew family.

Hedgehogs eat items similar to cats.  I feed mine science diet
dry cat food.  Occasionally I feed it S.D. caned cat food mixed
with cottage cheese.  If they are wild or even if they are not
familiar with you they WILL bite.  My pigmy african hedgehogs
are affectionate after they know you but can be grouchy if 
disturbed.  They are nocturnal.

In England they will leave milk to attract hedgehogs into
gardens.  Hedgehogs will hunt mice and are considered good
luck.

They are not native to the U.S.  Check with you mother's 
neighbors to see if someone has lost a hedgehog.

Curtis Smith
   curtiss@master.cna.tek.com
From: Linda_Richards@mindlink.bc.ca (Linda Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Havahart Traps
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:20:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> William L. Sebok writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <15675@umd5.umd.edu>
> Posted: 25 Sep 92 03:02:08 GMT
>
> Org.  : U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy
>
> Does anyone know where to obtain Havahart traps?  These are humane traps
> that allow you to catch and release pesky creatures.  We have two of the
> mouse-sized ones;  we have heard that larger ones exist but don't know
> where or how to get them.  There is a critter doing a lot of excavating
> in our garden, and we would like to transport him to a more suitable
> forest home.
>
> Clare and Bill Sebok
> --
> Bill Sebok      Univ. of Maryland, Astronomy    Internet: wls@astro.umd.edu



Most "farm & feed" type stores outside of the major cities carry these type of
traps. Take a Sunday drive to the country and check these places in your area.
--
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-- Charles Buxton



Linda_Richards@mindlink.bc.ca
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From: time@coos.dartmouth.edu (Susan M. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.herp
Subject: suppliers and address
Keywords: turtles
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:57:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I was told the was a FAQ that gave names and address of suppliers, but I'm not
a regular reader.  I've just gotten a box turtle:) and I'd like to know those
supplies that specialize in reptiles and small animals.  Someone replying to
an earlier post of mine(thanks all) mentioned Glade Herp, but didn't give an
address. If someone has it and any others, can you send it to me?  Thanks!

Susan M. Kennedy
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