HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Review of Single Gun Theory and News for Ninnies
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Summary: Review, NIN at Namm News
Keywords: Reznor, NIN E-Mu
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 15:24:49 GMT


Once again I ventured into the local CD emporium, looking for an old
Holger Czukay/Jah Wobble/Jaki Liebzeit LP that's recently been re-issued
on CD ("Full Circle", herewith recommended as fully rmi approved rhythm
& noise with some vocals). Not surprisingly, they didn't have it, and
knowing that I'd have a break from the kids when I got back, I didn't
want to waste it, I wanted to get something, so I picked up a CD by a band
name "Single Gun Theory" on Nettwerk records.  I'd heard them in the
background at a local Wherehouse(!?!), and thought that they sounded
pretty darn good.  I was right and wrong.

I like the CD, but unfortunately, it's not a keeper, for me.  However,
for many it might be.  Single Gun Theory features two folks credited
with playing "sampling keyboard" and a female vocalist. The vocalist,
jacqui has I think turned up on other CD's most notably an old Robert
("Hawkwind") Calvert LP titled "Hype".  Well, she's quite a good singer,
and well recorded in this outing.  The instrumentalists are also very
good, rather restrained for a Nettwerk outing.  In fact, it's actually
rather pretty, and not in a cloying annoying fashion.  There are ample
ambient samples of some Hindu Indian temple singers laced into the music,
which is really quite tight anti=pop songs that all clock in at around
4 or so minutes.  The lyrics surprisingly, are also enjoyable.  

Rather than the usual programmed bass/drums, we get a live bassist and
drummer doing most of the rhythm tracks, which helps this band avoid the
"headache beat" trap that so much indyu music falls victim to.  All in all,
an excellent outing, and perhaps if I was in a different musical mood, I
might keep this.  I still might.  I might have talked myself out of taking
it back even as I write.  It's that kind of CD.  Rick-Bob says check it
out.

And in other news, it looks like E-Mu is going to have Trent Reznor doing
the music and performance for it's NAMM demo.  I suspect that some folks
in Marketing may not have heard him however, and that if and when they do,
the whole thing could fall apart.  Or it may just be an unfounded, scurrilous
rumour, started by a "pomp-ass egomaniac" (as I've been humbly called in
others forums on this Internet thingie), just to create an excess of flamage
that seems so necessary to keep this group's blood boiling.  Hmmm.

Just a thought or two.




-- 

Rick Kleffel*System Administrator*E-Mu Systems, Scotts Valley, Ca*rickk@emu.com*
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry's latest album title?
Keywords: Ministry
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:27:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <1992Dec11.191559.3537@leland.Stanford.EDU> blckjck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Alexander Cruden) writes:
>In article <u9236635.724098788@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk> u9236635@sys.uea.ac.uk (R. Szczesniak) writes:
>>Does anyone know what the literal translation of Ministry's latest album is?
>>You know - the one beginning with KE......
They look like Greek letters to me:
kappa,epsilong,phi,alpha,gamma,eta,....
-mAtt
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:02:50 -0500 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What a joke


Fred Duprez drones:
 
> As fast as you say that you make it painfully clear that YOU can't even hear
> the difference between two different singers - don't bother to comment then!

Fred Duprez:  master of the run-on sentence.  What the hell is that mess
supposed to mean?  Ask a friend to translate for you (if you have any).
  
> : But when it comes to recognizing God-given
>  
> Does gOD exist?

Are you an idiot?
  
> : talent, the only thing you have a clear view of is your large intestine.
> Joe and others like joeY give true justice to the word Sad.

Oh, I'm maligned!  It seems fredriK dupreZ needs some creativity
lessons.  Why don't you buy some effects pedals and a microphone, rivet
an amp to your chest, and walk around sounding like Bill Leeb (or
Ogre...same thing).  
  
> "It is my opinion, that the man on the shroud is Jesus Christ"

It is my opinion that the opinions of morons like Fred Duprez should be
denied public exposure.  


Joe
From: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Leaether Strip Fan Base Info Zoth Ommog Klute Club
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:44:10 CDT
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA
Summary: Leaether Strip Fan Base Info Zoth Ommog Klute Psychopomps
Reply-To: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Followup-To: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Keywords: Leaether Strip Fan Base Info Zoth Ommog Klute Psychopomps
Distribution: usa

This is the U.S. Fan Base for the Danish Industrial bands Leaether 
Strip & Klute.  Also, info on Zoth Ommog and Psychopomps can be found.

Send 1-2 stamps or 1-2 IRC's for membership, kool stickers, info and
band contact.  Send to:

G.A.W.M.U.S. Leaether Stip/Klute U.S. Fan Base
c/o Ric Laciak
P.O. Box 353 Suite MLH 220
Milwaukee, WI  53201 USA

OR E-MAIL questions/comments/letters to:

laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu

OR FIND ME ON bbs.isca.uiowa.edu  OR hpx5.aid.no LOGON as SKYNET
IF YOU CAN TELNET....I am Laciakr on the BBSes.

If you have problems finding CD's, the Fan Base is here to help!

>>P   R   I   D   E       G   I   V    E    S       P   O   W   E   R<<
                                  __
                                /| 
                               /_|_
                              /  |
                             /   |__

>> M  A  Y       Y  O  U  R         E  A  R  S          B  L  E  E  D <<

join the base        SUBMIT TO YOUR FANTASIES              join the base
 
                 INJUSTICE! BREEDS FURTHER INJUSTICE!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 10:33:24 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What a joke

Actually, I have heard Ogre's voice w/o distortion--the night he apologized
to the audience for the stuff not working during the show in May '92
at the Vic Theatr in Chicago.  We were amazed.  After sitting thru
1 or 2 hrs of his distorted voice, he suddenly had a mousey voice off distor-
tion--kinda like Mike Tyson's voice!

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* Name:   Bones, Inner Sanctum of Sanctuary, U38956@UICVM.UIC.EDU            *
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* In the song "ringfinger" by Nine Inch Nails, Trent Reznor says: "If I was  *
* twice the man I could be, I'd still be half the man you need."             *
* Assuming Trent is 1 man, how much man would his former girlfriend need?    *
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From: au535@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Dagn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: AIRPLAY in AUSTRALIA/INFO/ETC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:25:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au535@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Dagn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
for: Radio 2RSR in SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA


Would anyone out there be able to send me any NEW underground
stuff (especially Hardcore Techno/House/Rave/etc)???
Demo tapes, tapes of Radio (eg.- "Abstract Dance" in London), etc

I do a programme on a Public radio station here in SYDNEY (2RSR - 88.9MHz)
(Music Dance Aesthetic - MDA - Saturday Nights 10pm-2am)
The collective are all volunteers (We don't get paid) but we enjoy doing it.
I also do some DJ work at clubs and Raves.


I am also interested in DEMO TAPES ----- also interesting interviews, info, etc

Please reply to me at  au535@cleveland.freenet.edu

       or snail mail:
                             Michael Dagn
                             19/59 Whaling Road
                             North Sydney, 2060
                             NSW   AUSTRALIA



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From: rrkeuche@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Rainer Keuchel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Esplendor Geometrico
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:39:06 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

I only know "Sheikh Aljama" on CD.
 
---
-General Paranoyaxc
"Man,all I saw were their teeth."
From: keithd@versyss.com (Keith Doyle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SPK recommendations needed
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:52:00 GMT
Reply-To: keithd@versyss.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Torrance, California

In article <Bz3CvI.IL6@dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>And lo, dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) spake unto the masses saying:
>>
>> Ahhhhh...fantastic! Can you run down _which_ SPK releases Mute is putting out
>> on CD, or for that matter, what The Grey Area's next batch of
>> stuff-in-general is going to be?
>
>Well, already out are...
>
>Leichenschrei
>Information Overload Unit
>Zamia Lehmanni

Anyone with any ideas where they can be found in Southern California?  
Tower on Sunset doesn't have them, (though BTW, they did just get several 
Hafler Trio releases I've never seen before).  ZED in Long Beach seems to 
be getting fewer and fewer discs of this sort (either that or they don't 
stay in the store long).  The Dome/Bruce Gilbert releases seem pretty
rare as well.  It seems the Mute releases haven't achieved much penetration
here.

I also read an intriguing review of "Toiling Toggle" by Steven Teschler (sp?)
but I've yet to find that anywhere.  Anyone heard it?  Due to the often
biased nature of the fringe reviewers, I'd like a second opinion.

Keith Doyle
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Subject: Re: EBN: Any comments on their video?
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:30:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.230640.7384@sco.com>, jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car) writes:
|> 
|> i sent $20 to the EBN address given on the net many many months ago.  the
|> tape finally showed up last friday.  was it worth the wait?  probably.
|> 

Can you post the address.  I would love to get this version of the tape.

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From: jmoore@lab9.smcm.edu (Joshua D. Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: s.p.:it ain't dead yet!
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:23:21 GMT

> >"all dead things were once alive"
> 
> Hmmmm...Does this mean that SP are going to stay on Nettwerk?
> 
> -- 
> burp...excuse me.
> 
> jon litchfield
> jlitchfi@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca

i doubt it, i hear somewhere that they are/were negotiating a contract  
with a bigger label and that they were unsatisfied with nettwerk....maybe  
they will get a bigger budget and play wierder and niftier stuff....who  
knows we can but hope....

-dyl.
i know what my anger means...
			Ignition
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Ministry in Toronto
From: spangar@ecf.toronto.edu (SPANGARO STEFANO)
Date: 10 Dec 92 03:37:07 +1700

 Well, after reading the review of the Chicago show I got a little exited
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 16:20:39 GMT

about seeing the latest version of Al and the boys, however I wasn't expecting
a carbon copy of the set.  All songs were repeated in order in 90 minutes flat, ending the evening at 10:30 !  The only surprise was Helmet's awful attempt to
woe the fans.  Having seen Helmet, and enjoying their hardcore set only two years ago I was sadly dissapointed.  Having seen Ministry at a club on their Mind  
 Tour, I would say they have seen better days, but it still wasn't a bad way
 to spend a Tuesday night.  

 P.S. Does anyone know when the next single is coming out.

 P.P.S. A bootleg copy of the show is also available, conveniently fittin
the entire Ministry performance on a single 90 min tape.
g
From: cmoore@lab2.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Joe's personal war against industrial music
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:04:03 GMT

In article <0f=oIO200WB9I4CbB8@andrew.cmu.edu> jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Joseph Velardi) writes:
> 
> Fred Duprez drones:
>  
> > As fast as you say that you make it painfully clear that YOU can't  
even hear
> > the difference between two different singers - don't bother to comment  
then!
> 
> Fred Duprez:  master of the run-on sentence.  What the hell is that mess
> supposed to mean?  Ask a friend to translate for you (if you have any).

gee, it makes perfect sense to me.  maybe some of us aren't as bright as  
others.  it makes sense when read in context, but maybe that little "-"  
confused you.  replace it with a period, and.... my god, it makes sense  
now!!!!  i'm sure fred will remember to use perfect middle-school grammar  
next time he posts to avoid confusing the less-intelligent readers with  
informal sentence structures.


 > : talent, the only thing you have a clear view of is your large  
intestine.
> > Joe and others like joeY give true justice to the word Sad.
> 
> Oh, I'm maligned!  It seems fredriK dupreZ needs some creativity
> lessons.  Why don't you buy some effects pedals and a microphone, rivet
> an amp to your chest, and walk around sounding like Bill Leeb (or
> Ogre...same thing).  

have YOU ever used pedals and a microphone? i didn't think so.  i have,  
however.  and my distorted voice sounds nothing like ogre's (or leeb's).   
note that in many songs these vocalists do not just speak, they sing.   
distortion can mangle the actual vocal tone, but cannot replace actual  
singing.  no electronics can turn a speaking monotone into a singing  
voice, that is done by the singer himself.  also, the original writer,  
whoever he was, probably liked ogre's voice for its variablilty.  ogre  
uses variable whispering, growling, speaking, whining, and shouting voices  
which actually sound quite different.  compare the vocals on "icebreaker"  
to "killing game" to "the choke"--they sound like different people.   
icebreaker has slowed-down low-pitch monotone vocals, killing game has  
singing with minor distortion, and the choke is typical distorted yelling.   
but even the end of the choke is different, with the undistorted delay  
monologue at the end.  

> > "It is my opinion, that the man on the shroud is Jesus Christ"
> 
> It is my opinion that the opinions of morons like Fred Duprez should be
> denied public exposure.  

maybe you didn't notice that people on the net tend to sign with quotes  
and samples. this isn't fredrik's opinion, it's a skinny puppy sample.  i  
think it's a general consensus that you should keep your ignorant  
anti-industrial opinions to yourself.  go crawl off to  
alt.music.progressive and leave this newsgroup alone!!!!!

> 
> 
> Joe

c.morpheus
"i'm god and i've come to take away the last fucking pleasure on the  
earth"
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: Coil _Horse_Rotorvator_
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.053911.1263@news.vanderbilt.edu> DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus) writes:
>> Well, just in case you need the info, the catalog number on my copy is
>> K.422 records, number FFK1. That's the UK import copy, btw.
>	This is the original Force and Form LP, which, as far as I understand,
>is long out of print....... Note that on the CD re-release, you have a 
>different track listing.

Yep...the Force and Form cover is different, if I remember correctly. On 
my copy, in the open area in the middle of the typography on the front of
the sleeve, is a pasted-on photograph print of a spiral staircase, looking
up into a dome. The later versions have two five-pointed stars of different
designs on top of each other in that space. 
	Incidentially, I've actually ran into trouble finding copies of the
CD of this...perhaps I should check in Nashville, for 'twas there where I
got the Force and Form edition, several years ago...
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy question.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:37:13 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

archer@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Zog Archer) writes:

> 
> I remember when Information Society put clips of modem transmissions in with
> the songs, that was neat... "Download" doesn't sound a whole lot like a
> download, tho! They could have plugged some sort of synthesizer into a modem
> and dubbed that right onto the tape, but I'm not sure of that, the song sound
> too intentionally done, in a way...
> 
> When I hear the song, I think of a brain download, or something like that.
> Something bizarre..


	That sound is a sample of a CD being fast-forwarded.
Actually, several samples played back-to-back. After listening
to the song the first time, I tried it with my sampler, and got
the same effect (although different sounds 'cause of different
CD). Of course, I can't use it because it's already done :-(. 





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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mag@wam.umd.edu (Michael)
Subject: Skinny Puppy at the Troc...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:36:46 GMT


     I need to know two things, if at all possible, about the Skinny
Puppy show at the Trocadero in Philly last June:

1. set list
2. who opened? it was supposed to be godflesh but they cancelled...


also, can someone give me a rundown of some shows happenin' in the Philly/NJ
area over the next 3 weeks or so?

thanks a lot-

Mike
mag@wam.umd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.makers,rec.music.classical
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: Russolo's Noise Machines
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.044020.1535@midway.uchicago.edu> rons@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>	Does anybody have any information on the Noise Machines of the
>Futurist Russolo outside of his book "The Art of Noises"? Info leading
>to recordings, schematics, diagrams, et cetera would be greatly
>appreciated.

It seems to me that about five, maybe six years ago, there was an LP of
"Futurist Music" that was released which contained a recording of the 
78 rpm record sides that comprised the sum of all of Russolo's recorded
output; this would be on an UK import label, although I do not remember
which one (it was one of the ones specializing in industrial/noise music
however). If you can find that LP, you'd be well-rewarded for your search
by getting what probably is the only reissue of those tracks.

>
>	Thanks,
>
>	Josh Ronsen
>	rons@midway.uchicago.edu

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: b92fdu@tdb.uu.se (Fredrik Duprez)
Subject: Re: What a joke
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:45:10 GMT

Joseph Velardi (jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: Mark Sphincter babbles:
: 
: > Joseph Velardi writes:
: > >       [Bjork vs. Ogre argument deleted]
: > >
: > > If you can tell Ogre's voice apart from Sasha Konietzko's or Bill
: > > Leeb's, you can probably hear my fingers hitting the keys as I type this.
: >  
: >         Are you typing with a sledgehammer? You're hurting my ears, dork.
: 
: Sure, you like Ogre's uninspired mumblings since they bolster what
: little testosterone you have.  Grr.  Growl.  Hack.  Are you erect yet?
: 
: Your problem is obvious:  you suffer from acute cranial-rectal
: implantation.  Any two-bit blockhead with some effects equipment could
: beat Ogre at his own game. 

As fast as you say that you make it painfully clear that YOU can't even hear
the difference between two different singers - don't bother to comment then!

 But when it comes to recognizing God-given

Does gOD exist?

: talent, the only thing you have a clear view of is your large intestine.
Joe and others like joeY give true justice to the word Sad.

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"It is my opinion, that the man on the shroud is Jesus Christ"
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: berntr@ifi.uio.no (Bernt Olav Rostad)
Subject: 1992 - soon history
Keywords: shit-list, albums, film, New Zealand
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:57:44 GMT
Originator: berntr@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no



Greatest albums of '92 ?
============================================

 1. "Pure"            Godflesh
 2. "Dirty"           Sonic Youth
 3. "TV Sky"          The Young Gods
 4. "Dreamscape"      Insekt
 5. "Lido"            th' Faith Healers
 6. "Piece of cake"   Mudhoney
 7. "Fontanella"      Babes In Toyland
 8. "Submit"          Pitch Shifter
 9. "Psalm 69"        Ministry
10. "Fook"            Pigface


Greatest (s)hit-collection of '92 ?
====================================================

 1. "Don't Bring Me Flowers"      Godflesh
 2. "Coffee comercial Couples"    Th' Faith Healers
 3. "The Punisher"                Insekt
 4. "Predominance"                Godflesh
 5. "Don't Call Home"             The Breeders
 6. "Teethgrinder"                Therapy
 7. "Youth Against Fascism"       Sonic Youth
 8. "Summer Eyes"                 The Young Gods
 9. "Reptile smile"               Th' Faith Healers
10. "Hope Your Dreams Come True"  Daisy Chainsaw


Movie of the year ?
========================================

"Brain Dead"  (New Zealand)


Happy new year everybody!


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