HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Mis-applied physics in advertising
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.152300.26035@public.sub.org>,
peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel) writes:

|>Here's some journalist "expert's" output (not really advertising):
|>When Commodore launched its first AT compatible (must have been 1986) in
|>Germany, we had a visit from some journalist from a well-reputated german
|>computer magazine to test the beast. (It was a quite ordinary 10 MHz clone.)
|>In the article he wrote he was amazed on how fast the machine was and also
|>gave an explanation: Yes, the engineers of Commodore were so clever to
|>put all the parts extremely tight together (not true, it was a *big*
|>motherboard), so that the connections could be made so short that it was
|>much faster... Shudder, "faster than the master clock", it sounded.
|>
|>We were very astonished, when we read that, *we* didn't tell him such
|>crap :-).

What do you mean crap?

The reason the CRAY-1 is the shape it is is to minimise the length of
the interconnection wires. It's true that the effect is not going to be
too significant in a 10MHz PC, however the length of signal cables is a
serious headache on ZEUS.

At the time 10MHz was a fast board. Remember that the previous Commodore
offering was a 1MHz beasty. There are a few high frequency effects that
can start to come up and clobber you, especialy using the chip and
boards they were using then.

The argument is not completely specious. It just happens not to apply to
that particular machine.

Speed of light is 3E10, 10 MHz is 1E7 So in each clock period light goes 3E3 m.

However electrons are going to move rather slower than the speed of
light, the signals have to get there and back etc.

This is not significant for your PC, build a computer three stories high
operating at 100MHz and it does become a factor. One part of ZEUS uses
the time the signals take to travel along the wires of a detector to
pinpoint the interaction position to within 3cm.

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: The "pussy" incident
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:36:30 GMT

mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
> Rather interesting that so many people have seen the same event, yet they
> can't even seem to agree on the details.  Sort of like all the people who
> "saw" the famous "pussy" incident on _The Tonight Show_, even though they
> can't seem to agree on whether it involved Zsa-Zsa Gabor, Eva Gabor, Racquel 
> Welch, Ann Margaret, etc.
>

And that one's going to get even worse in the future, seeing as how they ran
a clip of it on Carson's final show before Leno took over, earlier this year.

***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
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From: matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese)
Subject: Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:03:52 CDT

While scanning through my copy of "Warts and All" by the Friedman Brothers
I came across a piece titled, "Stooge's Wives". In it one of Curly's wives
is portrayed in an interview as claiming that Curly's trademark cry of,
"WooWoo" originated during the sex-act as the aforementioned Stooge
acheived orgasm. Now, i'm not one to take the work of the Friedmans as
gospel but this had just enough of the ring of truth to make me wonder.

Would any Stooge-o-philes care to dig into their treasure trove 'o trivia and
comment on this?

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From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anyone heard this one? New UL?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:00:53 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>Even more common is the user who posts an unnecessary gratuitous insult.
>These people are even worse than the aforementioned dip-shit users who
>quote unnecessary material.

Granted, the poster of the message which called you a dip-shit went
overboard in calling you names, but I find myself in agreement with his
essential sentiment.  You quoted a 100+ line article and then added 3 lines
of your own.  Why was this necessary?  Dont you know that some people are
reading usenet at 1200 baud, and/or have to pay for access time?  And
even for those of us who dont have to pay and have high-speed connections,
no one likes to read the same message 3, 4, even 5 times because people
keep following it up and quoting it in its entirety.  It can be maddening.
Please, and this message is to *everyone*, when you include original
text in your followups, EDIT it to only include the parts which are
relevant to your reply.  Write in things like [stuff deleted] if you
wish, to show that you are not quoting the original post verbatim, if
you think it's important to do so.
I have a rule of thumb that I live by in reading usenet articles.  When
I am reading an article and the first page is lined with ">"s in column 1,
I immediately hit the 'n' key (with rare exceptions) because this immediately
tells me that the poster is an irresponsible quoted-text (ab)user. I
suspect that I am not the only one who does so either.  So if you want
people to take your messages seriously, take the extra 2 minutes to 
compose them more succinctly.
My sincere apologies to the bandwidth for this message.  I only wish it
werent necessary, and I hope that a few people might take it to heart.
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Orange Julius (Re: Moxie, submarines)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:06:27 GMT

In article <hellmann.712242337@oak.cs.scarolina.edu> hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Douglas R Hellmann) writes:
>
>I have a friend that worked at an OJ, and he told me that the
>ingredients were just OJ, Ice, and powdered SUGAR.
>
>Doug Hellmann

I once saw the mix, and I can state that it looked more like powdered starch
with a yellowish tinge than sugar.  It certainly wasn't granulated nor was
it powdered confectioner's sugar.  (It wouldn't be confectioners since that
costs more and you use it for blendorizing, etc.)

It could be a malt powder mix with some sugar in it though.  There's enough
of the powder used that it might matter a little bit anyway.

cjl (Orange Julius and Kentucky Fried Chicken eaten together taste somewhat
like chicken)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Sanity
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:24:00 GMT

sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>ps: which Marx brothers' routine is about the Party of the First Part,
>>Party of the Second Part, etc., that ends with "there ain't no Sanity
>>Clause" ?
>
>The contract scene in "A Night at the Opera."  It's near the beginning.
>
>ObAFU-coincidence: the comic book "normalman" once included a parody of
>Groucho, called "Orange Julius."
>
Don't remember O.J. from "normalman" (it's been a while), but the frequently
hilarious Groucho parody Lord Julius is a recurring (sp?) character in the
comic book "Cerebus."

***gLITTOfERN*** glitto@iastate.edu
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:19994 sci.electronics:13542
From: grady@public.BTR.COM ( )
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: SHOCKING STORIES
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:19:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

I thought work on large commercial transmitters and
microwave dishes and their ilk always required
*two* people: the person to actually work on the dish
and the big guy hefting the wrench at the console...

-- 
Views expressed are not those of the National Security Agency
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: Mis-applied physics in advertising
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:42:51 GMT

In article <govender.711623420@shannon> govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender) writes:

[ Stuff about statistics abuse... ]

>another example:
>
>apparently researchers have claimed that women who are married to smokers
>have a 30% higher probability of getting cancer than women who are married
>to non- smokers.the facts (quoted in the local press from some british
>medical rag) is that 6 of 100,000 women married to non smokers will get
>cancer as opposed to 8 of 100,000 women married to smokers.
>

No problem at all with the conclusion that researchers twist stats to fit
their desired conclusions, just like everyone else. The only problem is
that the incidence of cancer in women (or men for that matter) is a hell of a
lot higher than 6-8 per 100,000. How did they arrive at those figures?

Later,

The Wisp.
-- 
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     Chris Williams <csuah@uk.ac.warwick.csv> aka <csuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
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                                      Brian Johnson (thanks to A. Simha 8^>)
From: mnolan@lpl.arizona.edu (Mike Nolan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Time Zones (was Re: Mis-applied physics in advertising)
Keywords: Does anybody really know what time it is
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:47:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.



	It's even better than that:

Where                   Summer             Winter
Arizona                 MST                MST
Navajo Reservation	MDT                MST
Hopi Reservation        MST                MST
The Navajo reservation is in four states (AZ, UT, CO, NM) all of which are
on M?T, and follows the majority in going to MDT in the summer.  The
Hopi reservation is contained entirely within the Navajo reservation, but
only in the portion that is within Arizona, so they stay on MST.

Not exactly to scale:

                  +---------+---------+
                  |         |         |
                  |   UT    | CO      |
                  |  +------+-----+   |
                  |  |      |     |   |
                  |  |  Navajo    |   |
                  |  |      |     |   |
                  +--+ - - - - - -|---+
                  |  |  --  |     |   |
                  |  | |H |       |   |
                  |  |  --  |     |   |
                  |  +------+-----+   |
                  |   AZ    | NM      |
                  |         |         |
                  +-------------------+

As one drives through the area, one could pay attention to the slew of
'you are now entering XXXXXX, Please buckle up' to see what time it is,
but in practice, one usually chooses a time and sticks with it.
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Sanity
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.144714.5682@colorado.edu> fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.112120.26006@echo.philips.nl> dolf@echo.philips.nl (Dolf Grunbauer) writes:
>>st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
>>
>>Related UL: a woman was put in a mental hospital in the USA for 30 years (or
>>            so) because she behaved a little weird and only spoke using
>>            strange sounding syllabuses. Turned out the woman was from abroad
>>            and behaved according to which is normal to her and spoke the only
>>            language she knew but was a very unknown language.
>>            Nobody ever noticed that she was perfectly in order. The one which
>>            released her was either from her country or has been there on
>>            a holiday.
>>
>	It might be a UL but I did see this story told on some documentary
>style program years and years ago. 

I believe the woman spoke a Ukranian dialect that was so unintelligible to
her keepers that they doubted her sanity.

Further, I believe there was some movie that used the same gimmick; the
movie has it as a man, but an attendant working for the hospital just happens
to recognize it from hearing it as a small boy spoken in his family and thus
sparks the realization that the guy's just "foreign" to them, not mentally
impaired.

cjl

ps: which Marx brothers' routine is about the Party of the First Part,
Party of the Second Part, etc., that ends with "there ain't no Sanity
Clause" ?
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Banks + Short Term...or a defective Sig Vessel?
Summary: But Mom, it's got a hole in it!
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:48:36 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Seismic Control District, San Diego, CA / Node 2

mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes a defective .sig:

>  - snopes
> 
> +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------
> |                                   WARNING
> | This signature under pressure.  Do not use or store near heat or open flame
> | Do not puncture or incinerate container.  Exposure to temperatures above
> | 130F may cause bursting.
> |
> | +  David Mikkelson  Digital Equipment Corporation, Culver City, CA  USA  +
> +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------

Yo...Snopy...errrr...auhhh....I detect a major flaw in your
pressure vessel.  The east end is wide open.  What is the
pressure exactly?  Are we in danger?

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Friday, 24 Jul 1992 19:18:55 EDT
From: <CMURRAY@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,comp.admin.policy
Subject:    Craid Shergold & Time Wasting

I am a relatively newuser to the system
and have probably wasted more time than
anyone reading miscellaneous information.

However, if possible, I would appreciate
any of your thoughts about the following
questions:

1.  If you are at work and reading notices
do you feel any remorse abour wasting
your employers time reading these notices.

2.  HDoes anyone know how long the Craig
Shergold story has been going on?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts
and I really do enjoy reading the
miscellaneous postins I see on the
network.
From: "michael benveniste" <michael.benveniste@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: neck and neck (was: a
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:42:35 EST
Reply-To: "michael benveniste" <michael.benveniste@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Phil Gustafson writes:
>
>Of course, it doesn't have much sting to me, but if you called my
>grandfather a herring choker he'd beat you up if he wasn't dead.
>
Mike Royko wrote a column to addressing this point on September 24,
1978.  Only he reached the conclusion that it was something that
Swede's called Norwegians.  Isn't ethnicity wonderful?
---
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: nolan@twg.com (Inschpektor Clueless)
Subject: From rec.aviation, a warning (was Re: Homebuilt plane crash in MT)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Society for the preventionof Terryitis
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:46:55 GMT


|>Newsgroups: rec.aviation
|>Path: twg.com!eco.twg.com!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!selway.umt.edu!cap
|>From: cap@selway.umt.edu (Charles A. Smith)
|>Subject: Homebuilt plane crash in MT
|>Message-ID: <1992Jul29.232949.23787@selway.umt.edu>
|>Organization: University of Montana
|>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:29:49 GMT
|>Lines: 18
|>
|>
|>I read in today's paper of a fatal crash in Terry, Montana.
					     <fnord>
|>
|>The article says, in part, "A Terry man was killed when his home-built
			       <fnord>
|>airplane crashed while taking off from the Terry airport on its second
					    <fnord>
|>flight... A witness said the plane went into a slow bank to the left
|>shortly after takeoff, rolled over on its top, and crashed."
|>
|>Doe anyone know what kind of plane it was?
|>
|>This makes the 7th light plane crash in the last 3 months here in Montana.
|>Unfortunately, that's about average.  Please be careful out there...
|>
|>Cap
|>-- 
|>========================================================================
|>Cap Smith                 Assistant Prof. of MIS           PP-ASEL
|>cap@selway.umt.edu        University of Montana            Skylane 71654
|>

Fnords, hell! It's the <Terries> we gotta fear! They's out thar agunnin' fer
us! Look! There's THREE mentions of the dread name in this artickle!

--
Nolan "Never wuz nor never will be a Terry" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
"... necrophilia doesn't really hurt anybody."  Rick Gordon

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Jimmy the Greek
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:10:09 GMT

In article <55412@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) writes:
>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>
>> In the New York area, we have had at least two similar incidents:
>
>> There was a local weatherman who was a quick-drawing artist called Tex
>> Antoine for many years.  He is alleged to have said something like "if
>> rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" as some parable relating to some
>> impending bad weather.  He got a chance to appear on the air again and
>> give a public apology, but was subsequently fired.
>
>The original quote about rape came from the Republican candidate for
>Governor of Texas, whom Ann Richards beat.  I believe the quote was
>about increased taxes:  they are just like rape...

No, wrong.  This was over 10 years ago.  It was something stupid like
"Confucius say if rape (or bad weather) is inevitable, sit back and enjoy
it", and he had an opportunity to apologize for it, but was fired later
anyway.

cjl
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: X-rated Atari game, Napoleon
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:23:48 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Jul17.000625.9445@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:
part of article deleted

> Also, as long as I'm posting anyway, there's a question that's always
> bothered me, namely how did the common stereotype of a lunatic/crazy
> person dressed as Napoleon come about?
> 
part of .sig deleted.

> The opinions expressed above can be  *	Stewart Tame
> yours for a very reasonable price!   *  311 Jarvis, Apt.106
> Send inquiries to the address there>>*  Ypsilanti, MI    48197
> ****************************************************************************
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> ****************************************************************************

Well, my aunt (from the Ypsilanti area, btw) has been in and out of mental
institutions for years (recurrent severe depression).  She says that those
patients who think they're somebody else, almost always think they're Elvis.

She specifically stated that she met several Elvises (Elvi?) and one Jesus
Christ that she could remember, but she was fairly certain she never did
time with Napolean.

Connie

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From: kja2192@tamsun.tamu.edu (Kevin Alexander)
Subject: Anyone heard this one? New UL?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:00:29 GMT

I'm not a religious reader of this group, but I try to read as 
often as I can, so please no flames if this is old.  I have heard
this same story from several people now at relatively distant
locations.

Here it goes.

While working as a summer intern at a large computer company, a
technician told me a story of a co-worker of his (FOAF) when he
worked at another large computer firm.  Apparently this FOAF was
making love to his wife (doggie style) and the cat was watching 
on the bed from behind.  Watching the man's balls sway back &
forth got the cat's attention and it swatted at his balls.  The
man, startled -- obviously, thrust forward and put his wife's head
through the headboard of the bed.

I though this to be funny and plausable, I guess, but I heard the
same thing from a friend of mine who worked at a Sam's here at
college.  This time it was a friend of his (I doubt the same guy).

----------------------------
Kevin Alexander
kja2192@tamsun.tamu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Modem tax back
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:08:37 GMT

In article <2527@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> scott@uswnvg.com.UUCP (Scott Eckelman) writes:
>OK, I can hardly pass myself off as a disinterested bystander (US West = 
>regional phone company), but it seems that most people don't understand
>the economics of the telephone network.
>
[pseudo-technical justification argument deleted]

>A modem tax is one way to make up the difference instead of increasing
>the rates for the non-modem customers.  The answer, in my opinion, is
>to do away with flat-rate pricing, and go to a strictly usage-based one.
>If you use 10 minutes of service, you pay 50 cents; if you use 2 hours,
>you pay $6.00 (at 5 cents per minute.)  
>
>Oh well, lunch hour's over, back to work.

There are some major flaws in your reasoning, unless you're a company man.
A lot of telephone equipment is created using statistical sampling to get
away with less equipment/call.  The modem signals, even when idle, don't
"optimize" the way voice does, so even though there is less actual information
the crummy equipment works harder than for voice.  That's your problem, not
mine since clearly smarter technology could tie up less resources from my
modem than for all of your voice customers *if* you handled it well.  So,
why should I as a modem user subsidize your right to ineptly use inadequate
technology to solve the problem, and also guarantee you a profit.

What I really want is competitive end-office situations.  Let another company
offer me cheaper rates to connect me to the communications system, and I'll
never use a phone and modem together ever again.  Since the phone companies
are given monopolies on this, there is no way to get productive service.

There have been abusive practices in the past in your industry showing the
general "attitude" that you can do what you want; we have to pay for it.
In New York, NYNEX was caught attempting to use a portion of their
revenues as a charitable donation.  Fortunately this was caught and pressure
was brought to kill it.  IF you want to voluntarily lower your stock-holders'
profits that's your business, but the public has a say as to where you put
their money.

cjl

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