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From: rickie@trickie.UUCP (Richard Nash)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: guns
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:28:22 CST
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In article <1992Dec14.180924.21943@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>
>We can look at another example: suppose you find out that your neighbor
>makes plastic explosives as a "hobby". Now given the volatility, and
>the probability that your neighbor could blow not just HIMSELF up,
>but you and the whole neighborhood, justifies restricting that person's
>rights (make them stop it, or do it in a bunker so they only kill 
>themselves, not you). Of course, it's a bit sticky to define 'probability'
>of causing harm to another person, but I'm sure common law precedents 
>would help sort that out after a few iterations.
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Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:37:44 GMT

In article <11DEC92.14481734.0081@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> O2NY <O2NY@UNB.CA> writes:
>A topic has been covering New Bruswick as well. New Bruswick has free
>access to french schooling almost province wide. ( There are still a
>few isolated areas where a population of one or two French families
>do not warrent a publicly funded school. There are no restictions on
>the number of students permitted. If the numbers are large, funding
>would be increased. However, all french schools I know of are far
>larger than the student population warrents. French schools have the
>best student teacher ratio available anywere in the province. Despite
>the fact that english in a majority. NB also has a french language
>university in Moncton. This university offers many degree programs
>in the French language. So it is easy for any french person to have
>any level of education in NB, without ever having spoken a word of
>English.
>
>David Szemerda
>New Bruswick, the province of superior equality!
>

Beautiful, but you never answered my question about books.
Having school in French and books in English is pervert, no?

Could you find some statistics about that?  At each school level
what % of books in use are in French in the NB French schools?

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Newsgroups: can.politics
From: raenglis@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Ryan English)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.4112.13475@dosgate> "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com> writes:
> Aside from allegations of "holding the country together" or being a
> "symbolic something or other" I would like to hear of one productive
> thing they do. Comforting the poor and downtrodden by patronizing
> charities isn't it, by the way.

That's easy.  Many Canadians benefit financially from Royal Visits.
A specific example occurred in my hometown of Pictou, Nova Scotia
in July of 1991.

Princess Anne was on a Royal Visit and spent an afternoon in Pictou
to officially open our Heritage Quay (Pictou is the birthplace of
New Scotland).  My father is in the tourist industry and I am happy
to report that accommodations in Pictou and the surrounding communities
were completely booked for that weekend.  A large number of American
and Commonwealth tourists decided to stay in our motels, eat in our
restaurants, and spend their money in our retail stores.  That
Royal Visit did generate more revenue than expense. After the visit,
the Pictou Chamber of Commerce evaluated the finances and indicated
that future Royal Visits should be pursued.

This same phenomena occurs when Canada hosts events like the Olympic
Games or the World's Fair, but unlike these events, a town of 6000
people CAN host a Royal Visit.  And if, as some have suggested, we
had replaced the monarchy with a Canadian equivalent, I doubt we
would have had as many foreign tourists as we did.  I, for one,
cannot conceive of anything that could replace that Royal Visit.

Since I have presented one productive thing the have done for
Canadians, I think it is only fair to ask for an example of
Canadians being injured (in the legal sense) by the monarchy.
And, no, ideological complaints aren't injuries.  I can understand
the British calling for the end of the monarchy:  they pay for the
Royal Family's salaries, possession, etc., but I have only seen
benefits for Canadians.  IMHO, if the British are prepared to keep
them, then Canadians should keep on benefiting from them.

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From: 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:57:09 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <katherim.724033273@sfu.ca>, katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle
Mason) says:
>
>Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>
>>The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
>>need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?
>
>>And for the colonials, this whole discussion about the succession and the
>>C of England prompts the question, what is the relevance of a basically
>>British institution to the rest of the commonwealth. If QE2 is supposed to be
>>Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand et al as much as she is Queen of the
>>UK, why are our governments not consulted about these matters.
>
>Because, as far as I know, we don't pay the Queen a salary (in Canada at
>least).  The only money the Canadian taxpayers dish out is for the
>occasional Royal Visit.
>
>Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under this impression.
>
>Katherine Merle Mason
>Ne Oublie....
>


Whether we pay her or not, she is still our Head of State and we should still
be consulted, indeed under the Statute of Westminster, the succession cannot
be changed without permission of Commonwealth countries with her Maj as
Head of State, for PM Major to announce unilateraly that the sucession is not
effected is a violation of the principle of the Statute though not the word.
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.170538.15158@bmerh85.bnr.ca> coghlan@bcarh2a1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Coghlan) writes:
>
>Interesting.  As I see it we have no choice BUT to inflate our debt
>away.  Just what would the IMF be able to do except cut off our access
>to world money markets.
>

We cannot inflate our debt away because we have about $500 billion
dollars of foreign debt...the rest of the world would intervene if
any government tried it.  But inflating the debt away ultimately is
more painful than enlightened austerity...not that we exactly have
enlightened austerity or any potential for that with any of our
political parties...the austerity imposed by the IMF would be
brutal and unenlightened.

>I recommend everyone read the article entitled "Canada Headed Toward
>Being An IMF Basket Case" in the Dec. 12 edition of The Financial Post.
>
>Here is an excerpt:
>
> "Despite logic, borrowing won't abate as politicians hope to be bailed
>  out by a U.S. recovery or commodities price boom.  But these are simply
>  not in the cards.  Europe is in recession and Japan is in a terrible 
>  state...Ironically a full-blown crisis is the only solution.  When it
>  happens, lenders will force us to do what we should have done ourselves:
>  dismantle much of our welfare state, eviscerate our health systems so they
>  benefit only the poor, cut the wateful spending on education, scrap
>  marketing boards and other subsidies, and cut government payrolls by
>  one-third or more.  Canadians will face currency and travel restrictions."
>
>After we finally go through this (and I am sure we will), I hope we prevent 
>future governments from ever getting us into this mess again via legislated 
>caps on spending (a la Reform).

The question is...do Audrey McLachlin or Jean Chretien have the vaguest
understanding of this?    

Gerald
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian.
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:34:37 GMT

In <1992Dec16.153009.16378@csd.uwe.ac.uk> th2_oate@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:

>Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian 
>Subject: Re: Is UK stuck with the monarchy?
>References: <92345.1818102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
>Distribution: world
>Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

>In article <92345.1818102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:

>* Email to: th2_oate@uk.ac.uwe.csd     * PGP 2.0 Key available upon request. *
>
	****************************************************************************** 
	hallo you say that we are saddled with the monarchy and so on - I
	thinks one could collect signatures in the street - especially in
	front of army barracs and air force bases to simply democ'raticaly
	remove the base of supprt for such a perverse anacronism in today
	soceity - or get a foreign poweer to assist in all poss ways to
	remove them in any other way which clever and "fed up populations
	have historically used to decapitate a body of state that no longer
	wishes to cow tow to some ineffimably corrupt ideal of private
	enrichment and so on and so on...I cas my vote as a brit. citizen
	living in semi-volountary exile . Off you go queeny while the going
	is good!


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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:51:05 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:

- In article <3mRTVB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- > sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
- >
- > - Not only *can* you separate them, there are some very good arguments why
- > - you *should* separate them.
- >
- >  I argue  for responible government and the God,Quuen and Country tenets
- > to come together.
- >  In short, /i say let all the people under the God-conttolled domain
- > come together
-
- Oh I see. Well that counts me out then.
-
- > and work together for the each ohters benefit, Not as a
- > hierachy, but as first among equals.
-
- Although you still don't say how your minority god controlled government
- will interact with the democratic government that the rest of us use.
-
  I furthur arge that the people show, based on a value system, should keep the
government in check.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: coghlan@bcarh2a1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Coghlan)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.125420.18268@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> In article <18319@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) writes:

|> Secondly, the foreign investors whom we owe so much money too would
|> be extremely annoyed...undoubtedly, the IMF would be authorized by
|> the international community to takeover Canada, if the Bank of Canada
|> did anything so stupid, and if you think the Tories or Reform Party
|> are austere and grinches who stole the social safety net, wait until
|> you see the IMF in action.  The scary thing is that if Liberal or
|> NDP economic policy as stated in opposition were ever imposed...we
|> may not be long for the IMF and the international community moving
|> in and taking away our sovereignty.
|> 
|> The greatest threat to Canadian soveriegnty right now is our foreign
|> debt.
|> 
|> The US might be able to inflate or default itself out of its debt, because it
|> has the guns to defend its sovereignty...Canada cannot escape paying
|> its debt...we either do it, or the world will step in and make us do
|> it.

Interesting.  As I see it we have no choice BUT to inflate our debt
away.  Just what would the IMF be able to do except cut off our access
to world money markets.

I recommend everyone read the article entitled "Canada Headed Toward
Being An IMF Basket Case" in the Dec. 12 edition of The Financial Post.

Here is an excerpt:

 "Despite logic, borrowing won't abate as politicians hope to be bailed
  out by a U.S. recovery or commodities price boom.  But these are simply
  not in the cards.  Europe is in recession and Japan is in a terrible 
  state...Ironically a full-blown crisis is the only solution.  When it
  happens, lenders will force us to do what we should have done ourselves:
  dismantle much of our welfare state, eviscerate our health systems so they
  benefit only the poor, cut the wateful spending on education, scrap
  marketing boards and other subsidies, and cut government payrolls by
  one-third or more.  Canadians will face currency and travel restrictions."

After we finally go through this (and I am sure we will), I hope we prevent 
future governments from ever getting us into this mess again via legislated 
caps on spending (a la Reform).
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Subject: Re: peace keeping in Somalia 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.212347.688@meadow.uucp> marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc Riehm) writes:
>
>The question to ask yourself is:  would you rather be living in a country
>which was attacked by the Americans or the Nazis/Imperial Japanese?  No
>question in my mind.

The bounding of the question in this way is certainly restrictive.
Perhaps the question should be whether one would want to be
attacked or not attacked. I don't think the needless slaughter of
civilians by nazis or self-described democrats are any different
as forms of fascism -- ie the exercise of violence and  terror by a state
with one degree or another of totalitarianism. (To pre-empt the next
complaint: I think it can easily be argued that the US wartime
state was certainly of a totalitarian character.)

Frank.

Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Rd: Legalized discrimination in Quebec
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:38:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.193754.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>What I am having problems with is the whole IDEOLOGY that Canada must
>educate all of its people in the two "official" languages, regardless
>of how small the minority in question is. (this applies to Chicoutimi,
>as well). Bilingualism is nice to have, but not a real necessity in
>Canada, and so few people have actually taken the time to analyse
>why the policy was invented in the first place (hint hint, not to
>make English kids bilingual)

But the European experience hasn't been so counter-productive that
there is any measurable productivity loss due to bilingual education,
which are all SOCIAL PROGRAMS, hence they are all PUBLICLY FUNDED.

Even the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (and etc. etc.)
speaks fluent french. Do Britons chide her for doing so? Hardly.

What about all these latest ideas about the global nature of business?
Time and again we see on TV that kids in British Columbia are taking
Japanese language leesons. Shurely, these aren't kids with parents who
are members of APEC! I mean, a few of these APEC members fought against
the Japanese only half a century ago. Now will they have their kids
learning their language? Shurely NOT!

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: No Senate Elections
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:45:11 GMT

In article <kJT=LvA@engin.umich.edu> marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:
>The constitution specifically says that changing the method of selecting
>senators requires a constitutional amendment (42(1)(b)).  Mulroney _can_
>appoint whoever he chooses, including those that have been selected by
>electoral processes.


>But electoral processes require laws to govern
>them, and such laws are arguably unconstitutional -- and would (I am
>sure) be challenged in the courts.

Are you saying that if a province were to hold a senate election by  
following the standard electoral process, that the result of the election
would be challenged simply because of the nature of the position being
voted on is not "constitutionally correct"?

I can't see how elections canada could could prevent a senate election in a
particular province.  Maybe the resulting election would be "invalid" in
election canada's eyes, but that's irrelevant, because if the provincial
officials are satisfied that they have run a clean and fair senate election
process, then they have the winner's name to put on the "list" to give to the
bm'er.  If they want to make it a list, then they can a add few names
out of the phone book.

>Of course, the court _might_not_ strike down those laws, either.  But 
>then the election/appointment combination would still only continue at 
>the will of the Prime Minister (since the power to legislate the 
>appointment process would definitely be _ultra_vires_).

For those of you in other provinces, the general feeling of the senate 
here in Ontario is, well, we really have no opinion.  Don't feel too
bad that the bm-er says "Well, you could have had a change, but you
didn't want a change, so now you've got to be satisfied with 10 senators
while Ontario has 24".   Hey, we don't gloat about that here in Ontario.
We could care less, because we know that the Senators are powerless 
puppets of the PARTY (which could mean the gov't or the opposition.)
But that doesn't matter, because the "Parties" are just different teams
that play the same ball game.  They all get their turn at bat.

There does seem to be a few new teams that want to play a different
game (like hardball, not soft ball).  I think we should buy some
tickets to their games and see how they do.  Maybe they'll change the
rules and let us call a few of the shots...
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:38:29 GMT

In article <Bz9JIH.2JJ@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> tjdoran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (DORAN TJ - BIOLOGY) writes:
>
>At this point, we must separate foreign and domestic debt. 
>
>As mentioned before on this topic, if you start printing bills to pay off 
>foreign debt, the IMF will jump all over you. 
>

The IMF will jump all over can if it starts printing money
irresponsibly period...money is money.  The effects of inflation
on domestic and foreign debt is exactly the same...if Canada
adopts a policy of excessive inflation, the international community
will step in.  A lot of our debt which foreign investors hold is
denominated in Canadian currency.

>But, Canada owes Canadians money, in the form of t-bills. Most t-bills are
>owned by insurance firms, banks, etc. and are considered investments. Even
>the part owned by private citizens is, to a large extent, considered investment.
>
>If the Federal gov't liquidated all t-bills right now, and the whole mess of
>dollars was treated like 'found money' by its Canadian owners, the price level 
>would go thru the roof as people rush out to buy VCR's, cars, peanut butter,
>etc.
>
>But in most cases, the banks, insurance companies, as well as the small-time
>private citizen investor would simply look to reinvest the money. Prices of 
>stocks would probably go through the roof, but that will have little effect
>on the average citizen, since such portfolio investment only concerns a small 
>class of wealthy people.
>

Inflation hurts the poorest people the most, and the wealthiest people,
who have real assets the least.

>On top of this, the resulting investment in private enterprise could be the 
>best thing ever to happen to our economy. Unemployment would probably fall.
>

Hyperinflation destroys economies...unemployment would sore, the social
safety net would be ripped asunder.

>The important thing is that the cost of production of goods figured in the 
>price index would not rise (costs might actually fall, increasing profits).
>Freed from interest payments on domestic debt, the gov't could turn its $8  
>billion operating surplus to paying off the foreign debt.
>

Your economics are delusional....

Gerald

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: "robert radford" <robert.radford@canrem.com>
Subject: do we really need the
Reply-To: "robert radford" <robert.radford@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: can
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:41:30 EST

 2> As a Canadian nationalist who sees no need for the monarchy, I think 
 2> you are dismissing your opponants with a silly generalisation.

My "opponents" too.

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