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From: ktruett@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: A plea for valid arguements
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:29:12 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

Just a comment on some of the logic recently seen here...

A recently seen argument for NOT consuming milk and/or honey is that 
"no other species drinks the milk of another" and "eats the 
regurgitatied..." honey.

While this fact may be true (although, don't bears raid bees nests for 
honey?), it is a pretty absurd argument.  

Based on this argument, I would like to propose the following:
1.  It is not health to constantly be washing/rinsing food.  No other 
    species does this (some animals do occasionally rinse things off, 
    but not regularly). 

2.  We should not be cooking food.  No other species does this.

3.  We should not routinely discard fruits and vegetables, just because 
    the item has a little mold or insect infestation.

4.  Also highly "unnatural":
	-water not served at room temperature (i.e. heated or cooled)	
	-jobs, saving plans, insurance, 
	-holidays, hospitals, entertainment, etc.
	-field cultivation

We ARE NOT like other species.  Our daily lives reflect this almost from 
the moment the alarm scares the wits out of us in the mornings, until 
we crawl between the clean, dry woven sheets on the bed in our temperature 
controled bedroom at night.  The choas in south Florida further reiterated 
the fact that we are not.  (No one has mentioned problems suffered by 
birds who have had their homes disrupted, or the problems suffered by the 
squirrels, raccoons, and other wildlife in the area.).

This is not meant to discredit the point that the previous posters were 
attempting to make (BUT don't take this disclaimer as an endorsement either),
it is just a plea to keep the arguement on a logical realistic level.



Also, I drink skim or 1/2 % milk--not whole milk.  Skim milk contains 0 g 
fat per serving (at least my bottles do), thus it is not a
HIGH FAT beverage.  Also, I don't drink milk for it's iron content--I don't 
understand why people keep reiterating that it is not a good source of iron.
It isn't a good source of fiber either--but that is not a reason to aviod it.

Unusual drink for a species?  Perhaps.   But then so is everything we drink, 
except for water.

	Kim Truett
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:55:51 GMT

In article <BvG8y3.6Ky@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:

[...]

>Yes, Dr. Spock did say that the children weren't doomed, but he did say
>that everyone, children and adults included should stop drinking milk
>altogether.  Now. Period.

	But not in the AP wire story you quoted, eh?

   [...conspiracy theories, etc., deleted...]

>From the Toronto Daily Star, Wed Sep 30, 1992
>
>Baltimore (AP) - Cookies and milk may never be the same.
>	Child care expert Dr. Benjamin Spock, who long advocated drinking
>cow's milk, is joining several other doctors in questioning its nutritional
>value and warning of the possible harm it can cause some children.
>	"This does not mean that every child that's been on cow's milk is
>doomed," Spock said yesterday. But, he added, "breast-feeding is the best
>milk feeding for babies.

   Wow, now THERE'S a news flash.

>	"I want to urge parents, especially with subsequent babies, to use
>breast milk."

   Great idea.

>	Spock, 89, appeared at a news conference in Boston with Dr. Frank
>Oski, director of pediatrics at John Hopkins University, and Dr. Neal
>Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,

   ...and scientific advisor to PETA....

>a non-profit association of 2,000 doctors

	...which is .005% of U.S. physicians...

   [...stuff about milk being bad for you deleted, but only for brevity...]

>	Spock, author of _Baby and Child Care_, said Monday he did not feel
>guilty about his past endorsement of milk and urged parents not to 
>overreact to the new information.

   Indeed.

>	"I don't think we should go from enthusiasm about milk to scaring
>the bejeebers out of parents," he said.

   Yep.  Sounds like he's REALLY worried about this.

>	A dairy industry nutritionist charged that the pediatricians were
>"trying to slant the message to impose what they believe is right for everybody 
>in terms of dietary recommendations." "There are a lot of great things
>about milk," said Greg Miller, a nutritionist with the Chicago-based U.S.
>National Dairy Council.

   Hey, it's his job to be biased...and he certainly is.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: pat@sleepy.UUCP (Pat Eyler   )
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "Murphy Brown" is a vegetarian
Summary: don't forget
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:50:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Sep27.223017.7451@cs.mun.ca>, ac@riemann.math.mun.ca (Alka Chandna) writes:
> 
> 
> 1.  Joe Strummer (of the Clash) is a vegetarian.
> 2.  M.D.C. is a San Francisco-based group, who are heavily into Francis Moore
[...]
> 3.  Skinny Puppy is a Vancouver-based "industrial" band, who put out an album
[...]
> 4.  Crass is a premier punk band from Britain (now defunct).  Their albums were
[more entries deleted to save bandwidth]

Don't forget the Smiths (now defunct) and their album 'Meat is Murder'  
background sounds from a slaughterhouse.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Wheat Grass Juice and Leaf Protein
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:16:24 GMT

In <1aedcfINNuh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:


>  I am doing a writing project on wheat grass juice and
>something called leaf protein which was discussed more in
>the 1960's I believe, in England as a way to feed the
>Third World.

>Wheat grass juice, which I drink regularly, has an
>undeniable energy gain feel from it.
>I am looking for information on the vitamin and other
>nutrient analysis of it.  I do not think the U.S.
>publications include it in vitamin composition, since
>I have looked recently.

>Leaf protein as described in one old clipping I have
>is to take a nutritional green such as spinach leaf
>and cook, strain, and extract the juices to form a
>sort of green jello which is supposed to be very high
>in protein and other nutrients, after discarding
>the cellulose, etc.

The nutritional value (amino acid balance) of leaf protein is quite high.
This is not surprising when you consider the fact that the leaf is doing
so many wonderful biochemical processes catalyzed by enzymes (proteins).
Since so many different functional proteins are needed the chances of
balancing the amino acids are very good indeed. About half of the protein
in a leaf is the enzyme Ribulose Bis Phosphate Carboxylase (RUBISCO), arguably
the worlds most abundant protein. This protein has an amino acid quality 
index comparable to casein (milk protein). Processes have been developed 
by which this protein can be isolated from leafs in pure crystalline form.

The amino acid content of seed protein, by contrast,is not necessarily balanced. The plant seed just cares about having proteins that can be stored in a
 compact form. When the seed germinates it can make whatever amino acid it
wants.
 
The hot extraction/cold precipitation method you described is just one of the
ways that proteins can be isolated from leafs. Leaves can be ground in cold 
aqueous buffers or salt solutions and the protein precipitated with heat, acid
ammonium sulfate, alcohol, or salt. A book called "Leaf Protein Concentrates"
or something similar describes some of the research that has been done.

Leaf Protein Concentrates are a way to get more protein out of a given area
of land in a growing season. By the time a plant is flowering it has taken up
most of the nitrogen it needs. Instead of waiting for it to produce seed we
can harvest the leaf crop and replant, getting nearly double the protein yield.
Allen

>I am also studying the blue green algaes.

I have heard that some of the free living forms of blue greens fix nitrogen 
from the air (without symbiosis) and there is at least one company that is
marketing a blue green algae to spray on fields to add organic matter and
nitrogen to the soil.
From: leah@smith.CHI.IL.US (L.A.Z. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Garlic
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: leah@smith.UUCP (L.A.Z. Smith)
Distribution: usa
Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL

In article <1992Sep21.145855.10331@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts) writes:
>As my interest in cooking has been rekindled, I am curious to
>find a way to use garlic that doesn't leave such an odor on my
>hands.  Thus far, it's either use a garlic press or use dehydrated
>minced garlic.  Is there some magic to mincing garlic so that
>I can use fresh cloves?

Well, you can buy de-scented garlic -- it's marketed under a brand name,
Dr. something, and you can get it at health food stores and some
supermarkets.

I don't mind the smell of garlic on my hands (I use the lemon juice
trick when I do), but I find bottled garlic awfully convenient.  Look
either in the spice aisle or the produce.  This is fresh garlic that's
been pressed or minced and packed in jars.  It keeps well in the fridge,
and you don't get it on your hands.

LAZ Smith  leah@smith.chi.il.us
From: gedge@cm.cf.ac.uk (Geraint A Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: what meat substitute can I use?
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:30:30 GMT
Organization: I'm at, not speaking for: Uni of Wales, College of Cardiff

steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow) writes:
} My question is what can I base my vegetarian cooking on to keep up the
} protein levels etc. while at the same time have some tasty and interesting
} food?

I use the Protoveg range of products, though not everybody likes
them.  My favourite is Sosmix, which comes in dried form, add
water, leave for 5mins and then fry/grill/bake.

This is a sausage-flavoured TVP (textured vegetable protein)
mixture.  It doesn't look great, but it has a reasonable taste
and I use it for making burgers and in Sosmix Rolls.

Other ones are Burgamix and another which tastes of smokey bacon
(yuck), I forget the name.  I'm not sure of the protein content,
but check the packets in your local wholefood store and work it out.

Give these a try - good luck,

Gedge
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From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Inexpensive main dinners
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:27:57 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

The North American Indians made patties of black beans and cornmeal, 
cooking them over campfires. I've added brown rice to give them more 
substance, though the Native Americans on the plains would have
used wild rice. For a main dish, you can make or buy a mushroom
gravy to serve over the patties, serving with a green vegetable and
salad. Uncooked patties can be wrapped in wax paper and frozen, then
for a quick meal you can defrost and fry or grill.  This is a nice
way to use up leftover rice or beans, but you can also cook some for
the occaision.  For breakfast, you can serve with warm maple syrup. 

Black Bean patties

2 cups cooked black beans
1 cup cooked brown rice
1 cup cornmeal
1 cup soymilk
1 tablespoon cumin


Cool the beans and rice, if you have just cooked them. Combine all
the ingredients well. Add more cornmeal as needed to form a stiff dough. 
Form into patties. Add corn oil to a frying pan and fry, or grill over 
charcoal. 

Cooking black beans: 
Put 1 cup dry black beans in 3 cups water and store overnight (a quart
canning jar works well for this). Bring to a boil in fresh water and 
simmer around 40 minutes.

Cooking brown rice:
Put 1 cup brown rice in 2 1/2 cups water. Bring to a boil, then cover and
simmer until water is gone, about 35 minutes. Let sit with cover on 
an additional 10 minutes. 


-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jerbil@ultra.com (Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr})
Subject: Re: Freezing/Thawing Tofu
Keywords: tofu
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:52:42 GMT

Greetings, Mary Kay Peterson and everyone else,
from Joseph Beckenbach!

	I've had success with frozen tofu by pressing out the excess water
first.  Supposedly the traditional winter preparation of frozen tofu more
closely resembles freeze-drying (reference:  _The_Book_of_Tofu_, authors
slip my mind).

		Joseph
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: wheeler@super.org (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Subject: Re: World Vegetarian Day:  Potluck in St.John's, Nfld.
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:51:58 GMT

World Vegetarian Day is October 1st
Gandhi's Birthday is October 2nd
World Farm Animals Day is October 2nd

In the US, World Vegetarian Day is promoted primarily by the
North American Vegetarian Society and all local organizations
use the opportunity to promote vegetarianism in some way (potlucks,
letters to the editor, etc.)  I thought that NAVS first developed
World Vegetarian Day, but I could be wrong on this score.  I have
not kept up with the International Vegetarian Union's history on
such projects.  I am pretty sure that World Farm Animals Day was
developed by the Farm Animal Reform Movement (based in the US).
As for who came up with Gandhi's birthday, I think that was decided
between Gandhi and his two parents :-).

Take care,

Ferrell
wheeler@super.org


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: Residence food - ideas?
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:17:53 GMT

I've posted this many times before, but it seems suited to
institutional food services.  It's very simple, and doesn't take much
planning or time really...

Tomato Lentil Stew
------------------

Ingredients:
2 cups lentils, washed
2 large onions
5 medium-large tomatoes or 7 smaller ones (this ingredient varies in
  quantity) 
3 Tbsp. canola oil
water for boiling
3/4 tsp. salt (or to taste)
1 1/2 tsp. marjoram
1 1/2 tsp. savory

In a medium-large saucepan boil lentils in water for about 30 - 40
minutes (or until thoroughly cooked).  While these are cooking, chop
onions and tomatoes.  In a very large skillet or pan, sautee onions
until they are just about cooked (mostly translucent).  Add tomatoes
and stir occasionally.  Crush the marjoram and savory in your palm and
rub together to release the flavor, and add to the pan.  Add the salt.
When it seems the tomatoes are fairly stewy and cooked, add the
cooked, well drained lentils (which by this time should be done).
Cook together for a few minutes to get an even mixture.

This seems to go exceptionally well with steamed cauliflower on the
side, and goes well over quinoa (though rice will do fine).
 

--
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Keywords: new report
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:43:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.60774
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

zedaker@next08wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller) writes:
>Hello, 
>	Does anyone have an opinion on the new report on cow's milk by the  
>Johns Hopkins University, et. al. ( also includes Dr. Spock )?

     They're finally stating the obvious. Milk is the most unnatural
food in the human diet. In the wild, no animal drinks milk past infancy,
and no animal drinks the milk of another animal. There are animals that
eat plants, animals that eat eggs, and animals that eat meat, but there
are no animals that drink milk.

>	The Dairy Council doesn't like it! Well, screw 'em!  

     Agreed.

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From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "Murphy Brown" is a vegetarian
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:34:32 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep29.180222.3429@oracle.us.oracle.com>, schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles) writes:
> Candance Bergen may be a vegetarianm but I don't think Murphy is.  On
> last night's show, she ordered a Phil Burger with fries -- sounds like
> meat to me.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Suzanne Chiles				schiles@us.oracle.com
> 415-506-6194				Oracle Corporation
> 		      Honor Diversity
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, I was pretty dissapointed when I heard that line in the show. 
But then, Murphy didn't actually get the sandwich because she had
to run with the baby....so maybe she's a "closet" vegetarian and 
it was just a line in front of her co-workers......

...food for thought. 

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: s2874066@techst02.technion.ac.il (Eyal Peleg)
Subject: Re: vegetarians in institutions
Reply-To: s2874066@techst02.technion.ac.il (Eyal Peleg)
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:57:28 GMT

i live in a vegeterian village, the only one in the world that was set up
as such (or at least the first one).

i know that people that declare that they are vegans recive a special allowance
in the israely army, also the awarenss for vegeterianisem is much higher and
you can get vegeterian food in the army (more than "just eat whatever you 
can and leave the meet to thoses that like it", there are some soy products in
use and u can ask for vegeterian food.

anyway the greatest vegeterian food is here in amirim (my village)

eyal peleg
a born vegeterian
From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Question on kosher gelatin
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:30:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:


> 1.) Davar Chadash: "a new thing." The substance has gone through a chemical
> change and is thus not considered related to the original product from which
> it was derived. This is a controversial principle in Kosher Food Laws and
> not universally accepted.

One of the problems with concept can be illustrated by this reductuio ad
absurdum originally proposed by Great Leader Kibo:

 "To this I say: Spam Is Kosher!  All you have to do is eat all the carbon
 atoms first.  Carbon is kosher.  Then eat all the oxygen atoms, then the
 hydrogen atoms, and so on down to the traces of radioactive strontium.
 It all goes to the same place, so it is just like eating Spam, but you
 are spared the insufferable delight of eating something verboten."
     
Kibo qualified his thesis with the following disclaimer:

     "Then again, if you look at it another way, everything is
 non-kosher, because somehwere, ten thousand years ago, a pig died and
 turned to dust, and one of his atoms migrated into the ground, where it
 wound up in a pea plant, and therefore my peas all have microscopic bits
 of pig in them.  Clearly, a new classification for food is called for."
From: ac@riemann.math.mun.ca (Alka Chandna)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: World Vegetarian Day:  Potluck in St.John's, Nfld.
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:37:08 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

********************************************************************************
********************************************************************************

As many of you may know, October 1st is World Vegetarian Day (coinciding with
the anniversary of Gandhi's birthday).  Marking this occasion, our newly 
formed social support/ educational/ activist vegetarian group in St. John's,
Newfoundland will be celebrating with a potluck dinner.  This will be held
on Saturday, October 3rd, at Get Real Natural Foods (266 Duckworth Street),
at 6pm.  Everyone is welcome & if you do come, try to bring something that
contains no meat, poultry or fish.  Queries may be directed to this e-mail
address, or phone 754-0808, 437-1513, or 753-9171.  See you there!

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: gopal@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (Gopal Gupta)
Subject: Re: World Vegetarian Day:  Potluck in St.John's, Nfld.
Organization: Dept Computer Science, James Cook University, Townsville
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 06:45:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.223708.7610@cs.mun.ca> ac@riemann.math.mun.ca (Alka Chandna) writes:
>As many of you may know, October 1st is World Vegetarian Day (coinciding with
>the anniversary of Gandhi's birthday).  Marking this occasion, our newly 

I thought Gandhi's birthday was October 2nd.

Gopal
From: rabbani@EMUNIX.EMICH.EDU (Comfortably Numb)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Tofu! Tofu! Tofu!
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:53:48 GMT


	
	Hi!

	Anyone have any simple recipe for tofu that I can make
	at home?            

	Please post it here or e-mail me at  rabbani@emunix.emich.edu

	Thank you!

	-Daniel


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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Request for sauce recipes
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:43:03 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

My staple for lunch is steamed veggies, tofu and rice with some sort of
sauce sloshed over the whole thing.  I seem to be stuck these days on 
either teriyaki or curry, and occasionally a Thai-like peanut sauce.  I'm
getting bored.  Does anyone have any other good recipes for sauces -  
hopefully quick and easy to make?

Thanks,

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
    "organic is close to godliness, but like godliness, can have
     drawbacks like the busload of nuns that were wiped out by a
     run-away truck full of organic produce." - Suzanne McCaffrey
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: vegetarians in institutions
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.235728.4209@discus.technion.ac.il> s2874066@techst02.technion.ac.il (Eyal Peleg) writes:
>i live in a vegeterian village, the only one in the world that was set up
>as such (or at least the first one).
>

That's great. Although, I know of a town in India which is completely
vegetarian : Hardwar. Perhaps it is difficult to enforce it by law,
but signboards say that the town is vegetarian.

>i know that people that declare that they are vegans recive a special allowance
>in the israely army, also the awarenss for vegeterianisem is much higher and
>you can get vegeterian food in the army (more than "just eat whatever you 
>can and leave the meet to thoses that like it", there are some soy products in
>use and u can ask for vegeterian food.
>

That is really good. I wish some airlines would learn from this.

>anyway the greatest vegeterian food is here in amirim (my village)
>
>eyal peleg
>a born vegeterian

With regards,


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