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From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Worrisome Non-Stress Tests
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:43:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Hi-

I am now 31.5 weeks along a high-risk pregnancy. Past experience
had me carefully watching for preterm labor. This time it
started at 30 weeks. The labor was easily stopped and I am at
home on bed rest and terbutaline. In general things are quiet.

In the hospital, the baby's heart rate didn't fluctuate in the 
all over way that is expected. Since returning home, I've
gone in for two Non-stress tests (NSTs) and there tend not
to be many kicks and the heart rate doesn't accelerate. Each time
the doctor checks the baby carefully with the ultrasound, watching
its heart, looking for movements and looking for the chest to
move in a breathing motion. It has taken a while to see movement
and even longer to see the breathing motion. 

At first the doctors said it could be that the baby is too young
to be displaying the increased heart rate, but its been 1.5
weeks and they do mature rapidly.  There is added concern because
the baby used to be moving all the time, uncomfortably so to me
after any meal, moves a little here and a little there, but never
nearly as much. 

Any experiences, support, etc would be greatly appreciated. 

The doctors and nurse say at this point all they can do is
monitor me closely (two NSTs/week plus weekly ob appointments)
and that I should be very careful about my diet, drink a lot
of fluids, and stay tuned to the baby's movements and call
if they decrease.

Carol       ctopp@cup.portal.com
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From: rjw0@ecsa01.encon.pge.com (Robin J. Wood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:53:54 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Pacific Gas & Electric, SF, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

adamson@grok65.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ann Adamson) writes:
: 
: Anyway, any advice from people with cross-gender names or children who have
: them?  Does this end up being a real pain or do most people like it?
: 
: Ann Adamson

Well, I have a fairly common name, Robin.  The only reason anyone mixes it
up with a guy's name is that it is not Rob_y_n, and that I am an engineer
(a mostly male profession).  I don't really care if people call me sir, it
usually only happens once.  I kind of enjoy keeping people a little off
balance too...I occasionally get mistaken as my own secretary  ("When will
MR. DeJarnett be picking up the car?...")

It really isn't that bad, but I think my temperment (sic) helps a lot.

-- 
Robin DeJarnett (formerly Wood)                   rjw0@encon.pge.com
PG&E, San Francisco                               KB6ITK
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From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girl is growing up fast
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:11:50 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky) writes:

> My wife had her first period at 9; we expect at least one of our two
> daughters to do likewise.  Your friend is probably right, though, that
> you should take your daughter to a doctor, if only to assure *her*
> that everything is proceeding normally.
> --
Well, I've already drug out the sex education book that I gave my
daughter, and whenever she has something happen (like this) or just a
question, we look it up in the book and I'm there to explain anything or
just to talk about it. The book has said that 12 YO is the average but
that anything from about 9-15 YO is okay.

I find that it's easier to talk about sex with my daughter (although I
don't have a whole lot of trouble with it, as my mother was very open
too) when I have a book in hand. We can read stuff together and I can
answer any questions on how this relates to her specifically.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:33:39 GMT

In article <18mlc8INNd81@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>In article <51tp02EA21co01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:
>>My doctor said that the equivalent of one cup of coffee a day
>>(2 cokes) would be OK.  
>[...]
>>Also, my doctor said that nutra-
>>sweet would not be a problem.
>
>I thought that the jury was still out on Nutrasweet, because it
>hasn't been on the market long enough to see if there are any bad
>effects with it.  (Look how long saccharine was around before any
>carcinogenic connection was found...)  

Just for the record, saccharine has been on the market since the
time of Teddy Rosevelt -- who was diabetic & loved it.  There has
*never* been any epidemilogical evidence connecting saccharine
with cancer in people.  The scare came from some rat studies
which may have been seriously flawed.  

Ah well, I suppose that's really not an issue for misc.kids.

>
>Back to caffeine, I cut down from my normal 5-6 cups of regular
>coffee per day to 1 cup of decaf in the morning when I was pregnant.  
>When I found that my son wasn't affected by the coffee I drank, I 
>increased my intake to 2 cups a day of decaf.  When he weaned
>himself at 16 months, I went back to regular coffee in the morning,
>but I only drink 2 cups--it's all I have time for :-).  
>
>-- 
>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
>dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
>(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Laurie Hafner)
Subject: Re: Giving into a fad? When do you say no!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.204547.2205588@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes...

>Mitchell "really really wants".  And beside each toy is a price.  I stopped

There is another technique that Farber and Mitzlish talk about in one of 
their books - either "How to Talk to Kids..." or "Siblings Without Rivlary"
that basically allows the child to fantasize about what it is he wants.  
So, for example, the child says "Mommy, I really need that bicycle".  A common
reaction might be "No, you have a nice bicycle already.  You don't need 
another one".  What they suggest saying is something like:

parent:  Gee that is a really nice bicycle.
child:  Yes, I really like the color.
parent:  I'll bet it can go really fast.
child:  I'll bet it can go faster than my old one.
parent:  I'll bet it can go so fast you could ride to the moon.
child:  Yeah, I'll bet I could go all the way to Mars.

This is a made up example of what *I interpret* from their book.  This is *not*
one of their examples.  Basically, it validates the child's feelings - letting
him know that you heard him and what he is saying is important.  I'm not saying
this would work everytime, but hopefully in some cases could eliminate the 
feelings of parents always saying no, etc.  Judy's example of the cutting out
the pictures from a catalog is another way to allow children to "fantasize"
about what it is they want.  I think it is a good technique to use.  Kids 
seem to want so much these days - and so many kids do have everything - it
makes it tough to parent.

Laurie Hafner, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa  52242
lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:37:58 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep6.231728.14576@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>OK, here's a question for you moms and moms-to-be:
>Rings.  Especially wedding/engagment/bridal sets.  I am 20
>weeks pregnant and much to my dismay, just had to take off my
>bridal set......it was getting tighter and tighter, then I
>was having trouble getting if off, then it was *really* stuck,
>but managed to get it off, and it won't be going on again.
>
>Sure I'm bummed.  I do have a cheap replacement gold band to
>wear (I wanted to wear something) that is bigger and comfortable.
>I was considering getting the rings made bigger, but my husband and
>I thought that would ruin them (each has channel set diamonds, so
>making them bigger may not be wise).  Plus it would
>be a good incentive to lose weight after the baby's born, and indeed
>it would (I feel so weird without them on!).  We've just been married
>a year this past June, so the rings are still very special to me.
>
>What I want to know, just out of curiousity, how many had this problem
>and what you did (just took them off, wore a replacement, or got them
>made bigger).
>
>Thanks.....
>
>Christine
>mom-2-b in Jan. '93

I'm in my 4th pregnancy -- with each pregnancy, I've taken the rings off
earlier and earlier -- with this one, they came off at 10 weeks.
I started off this pregnancy  20 lbs heavier than when I was married, so,
the rings got tighter faster.  I've always replace the wedding rings with
a ruby ring that my husband gave me a LONG time ago, which I've always
worn on my right hand (so, it was always bigger than my wedding rings).
I always figured that it was better to take them off myself than to
have them so tight that they had to be cut off (something that ALMOST
happened with my first pregnancy).

grace
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Flexible Employers
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:04:17 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I am so excited!  I just returned to work after my (too-short!) 6-week
maternity leave, and was not feeling very happy about leaving the baby
and my preschooler at day care all day (I had all my children home with
me for the past six weeks).  I was really enjoying being a stay-at-home
mom, and dreaded going back to work, even though I like my work (pro-
gramming).  It was so great to be able to spend time with the children,
and also to avoid that 5:00 getting home, getting dinner, getting baths,
getting to bed rush.

Anyway, I was racking my brains trying to come up with an alternative
plan that would give me more time at home and still allow me to keep my
income.  I figured out that if I work from 5:45 am until 12:15, then
squeeze in another 7 1/2 hours somewhere during the work (either at home
or in the office), I could still work a forty hour week, which we need
me to do, financially.  Of course, I thought, this won't be an alterna-
tive as far as my job is concerned.  But, I asked anyway.

Much to my surprise, not only did my direct supervisor approve it, but
after talking to the personnel manager and the associate director of
our department, I am now able to work the hours I wanted!  Not only
will this give me a lot more time with the kids, but it will save us
between $5 and $6,000 a year in child care costs.  I will be home when
my oldest gets home from 2nd grade, my preschooler and the baby will be
able to come home right after lunch, and I will not have to deal with
the 5:00 rush anymore.

The moral of the story:  Go ahead and ask if you have a need for a more
flexible schedule.  The answer may surprise you, and if not, you haven't
lost anything by trying.  A lot of places are trying to be more flexible
as far as employees' family needs, since it impacts so directly on
employee morale.  In my case, my peak performance time is in the morning
anyway, so I will probably be more productive.  I will be able to 
schedule all my appointments and personal errands in the afternoon,
thus cutting down on my hours out of the office.  All in all, it works
out well for everyone!
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: kid that wants to sleep in bed w/parents
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:36:08 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

My kids have never had a crib.

For when she's first crawling - put some pillows around her to serve
as extra guard rails (and buy a guard rail (one without bars) to put
on your bed - like the kind for kids beds). When she's first crawling,
she won't be able to crawl over the pillows. And get a monitor, so
you'll hear when she wakes up (at least my kids make little noises
when they wake up - Robin only cries upon waking 1/3 of the time or
less).

When she gets a bit better at crawling, you'll need to teach her how
to safely climb off the bed. At least, we had to teach Kathy - it was
the first thing we actually taught her - the rest she's figured out on
her own. When the baby crawls to the edge and looks like she wants to
get off, help turn her around and go off feet first. She'll probably
catch on quickly.

As for the crib problem - you could also try removing her mattress
from her crib and laying it on the floor and see if she's happier with
that. Perhaps she just hates the bars. You could also, if you have the
space at all, try laying her mattress in your bedroom and see if she's
happy with that.

And you'll just need to mostly babysafe your bedroom, just like the
rest of the place, because she will probably get into it from time to
time anyways, even if the crib mattress on the floor of her room works
out.

Good luck!



-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 17:02:33 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

-> I'm only 6-8 weeks along, but starting to look into daycare.  I 
-> plan to return to work full-time.
-> 
-> One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
-> places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.
-> 
-> I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?
-> 
-> Thanks!
-> 
-> - Peggy -

That's about par for the course.

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Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:13:53 EDT

In article <STEVES.92Sep14085828@kuwait.gdfwc3> steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss)
writes:

   > Maybe things have changed a lot since I was a kid.  Why not ask
   > some *kids* what they would think of having a classmate with the
   > name in question?

Well, now that you mention it, I am a teacher, and I have 30 sixth graders I
can ask about that, along with about 30 ninth graders.  What a concept!

By the way, my mil hates the name Geordie because it reminds her of George,
a name she's not thrilled about.  However, if we spelled it Jordie, she
wouldn't hate it.  It's pronounced the same way, though...go figure.  She
also worries about naming the kid after a fictional character...but then as
I've said before, there were an awful lot of Wendys born in the mid to late
50s as a result of Peter Pan.

But I know my mil, and she'll deal with it if we do have a boy and name him
Geordie LeVar.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore)
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labour: Ben's Reply
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:27:40 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.175516.24413@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>
>>Thanks for bearing with me, and thanks especially to Michele Gaudreault, 
>>Mikki Barry and minx for participating in the discussion. I too wonder if 
>>the venom is focused on me because I'm male. Any comments?
>>
>
>Nope, it was because of your lecturing. We have threads that deal with 
>strangers who will come up to parents and start telling us how to do things.
>I guess we dont take it well, and I am not sure we need to. If you want to
>give info, you should be a little more tactful about it, or you run the
>risk of not getting thru to people, just getting them angry.
>
>Laura Floom

I stayed out as long as I could.....  I didn't view Ben's original posting as
lecturing at all.  He was merely disputing someone's statement that was not true
and even had medical sources to backup what he posted.

I am now two days overdue.  And yes I am tired of people, whether they are
strangers or not, telling me what to do.  I've by far had more people tell me
that I was crazy not to go for the epidural right away and save myself all the
pain and grief.  The majority of people I think (no study to prove it though),
feel that an epidural is completely safe.  Let's forget about the baby and
possible effects on the baby for a moment.  It isn't completely safe for the
mother.  Four years ago I had foot surgery.  I considered an eipidural so I
could be awake and watch the surgery (I know it's gross but I was interested.)
Anyway, after talking with the anesthesiologiest at length about the risks and
possible side effects, I opted for a general.  In my case a general had fewer
risks and side effects than an epidural.  So if there are risks and side effects
for a nonpregnant woman, I don't see how there can't be at least the same if 
not more risks  and side effects for a pregnant women and baby.

I personally hope that Ben continues to post informative and well documented
information to this newsgroup.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria)
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.231728.14576@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>OK, here's a question for you moms and moms-to-be:
>Rings.  Especially wedding/engagment/bridal sets.  I am 20
>weeks pregnant and much to my dismay, just had to take off my
>bridal set......it was getting tighter and tighter, then I
>was having trouble getting if off, then it was *really* stuck,
>but managed to get it off, and it won't be going on again.
>
>Sure I'm bummed.  I do have a cheap replacement gold band to
>wear (I wanted to wear something) that is bigger and comfortable.
>I was considering getting the rings made bigger, but my husband and
>I thought that would ruin them (each has channel set diamonds, so
>making them bigger may not be wise).  Plus it would
>be a good incentive to lose weight after the baby's born, and indeed
>it would (I feel so weird without them on!).  We've just been married
>a year this past June, so the rings are still very special to me.
>
>What I want to know, just out of curiousity, how many had this problem
>and what you did (just took them off, wore a replacement, or got them
>made bigger).
>
>Thanks.....
>
>Christine
>mom-2-b in Jan. '93
>
>attme!alcmd   or   alcmd@attme.att.com
>
>
Christine,

My husband felt really bad when I couldn't get mine on so he went out and
bought me a gold chain to hang my rings on.  The chain never left my neck and
I felt that I at least could keep them close even if I couldn't wear them.  
After the baby was born he bought me a beautiful heart to put on the chain
to replace the rings.  Sadly though, the rings never did fit and I even-
tually had to have them made bigger (but I'm still 20 pounds heavier then 
I was back then - I was scrawny, honest).  Now I wear the heart and think
of my rings not fitting and all the problems (mundane though they are)
and look at my little boy and thank God that not having my rings fit was
just the biggest problem I had.

So if you're husband doesn't see this or think of it, buy a chain for 
yourself (or hint real hard).  It takes so little to make yourself 
happy during these next few tough months.  Hope this helps,

Denise
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:05:08 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Sep3.233455.8802@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>
>another child, regardless of the sex.  Having a child simply because
>you want a particular sex is silly IMHO.
>
Doesn't always work, either.  A coworker and his wife had 2 boys, and decided
to have one more child, hoping it would be a girl.  They had twin boys.
(They ended up adopting a girl a bit later).
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween ideas 22 mo-LONG
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Ideas for easy halloween costumes:
I already emailed the original poster, but this seems to be a good time
for a more general discussion. (Still time to search for the appropriate
props!)

I've seen some good ideas for making Halloween costumes out of sweatsuits,
with the addition of sewn or glued on pieces.  Felt is a good material
to use because it doesn't fray and is widely available in a range of
colors.  If you just baste it on by hand, it can be removed and the
sweatsuit used for everyday use.

Some ideas:
- a white sweatsuit with black patches to make a dalmation.  Use a white
ski hat and add black or spotted ears.  This should be popular this year!

- Add shoulder eppaulets, buttons, a sash and a sword to make a soldier.

- Use a green sweatsuit for a dragon.  Add felt triangles sticking up
down the back for scales on the back ridge and a gold breastplate.

- Use a red sweatsuit, add a cape and a hat with horns to be the devil.

- An orange sweatsuit can be made into a Jack-o'Lantern

- Most animals could start out with an apropriate colored sweatsuit,
with added tails, paws or hooves, etc.

(Actually, I'm lucky.  My Mom sews for the kids, and brought over an
almost completed clown outfit for Brad to try on last weekend.  As a
child, I always had great costumes!)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, almost 3 months
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Understanding men (was: differences between boys and girls)
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:41:17 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.04

In <1992Sep01.023530.2219315@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)  wrote:
# I think that there is something very special and unique in parenting an opposite
# sexed child.  There's a romantic side (not sexual, but romantic).  And you
# gain insights into what people of the opposite sex are like, how they feel.
# And it IS different.  I know that I have radically changed some of my feminist
# views having had a son.    And I seem to understand MEN better somehow.  

  Perhaps because they never really grow up?

  I know it sounds like a cheap shot, but really!  Best I can tell, mens'
  self-images freeze somewhere around twenty.  After that, they may
  compromise with reality and minivans but in their hearts of hearts
  they see themselves as belonging in muscle cars, fighter planes, etc.
  How else to explain the fanatical identification with spectator sports?
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Petroleum Jelly (was Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:01:34 GMT

>The
>other was that a well-Vaselined bottom is easier to wipe clean.

Unless they've been playing in the sandbox!!!

Ken
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