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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:40:50 GMT
Organization: New York University

rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:

>>
>>I personally have deep respect for Lu Xun but I suppose I should also be fair
>>to everybody. I think many people understand China in their own way and I even
>>think quite a few of them can articulate their way in an OK manner.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Li, Qiang


>Before netters get the wrong idea, I am not claiming that only Lu Xun, or a few
>people like him are capable of knowing China or articulating it.  What I mean 
>is that this ability to know one's self or one's culture requires both the 
>opportunity of many varied experiences, and the ability to step outside of 
>these experiences to be able to evaluate them critically.  Thus just because 
>one is a native of a particular culture does not automatically guarantee that 
>he/she will have as much insight into his/her own culture as Lu Xun had into 
>his, nor does it guarantee that he/she can put these insights to paper with the
>skill which Lu Xun did.

>Robert Sanders



I agree with you but the idea you clarified here cannot be interpreted from
your previous posting.

In my case I feel I know more about China after spending 3 yrs outside China.
Maybe that's an example of what Su Shi(a Song poet)described: you don't really
know about the mountain just because you live in it.

OK, take it easy.


Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Anyone from Shanghai Jiaotong University, CS dept?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:33:08 GMT

Hi.  Is there anyone from Shanghai Jiaotong University CS Dept on the
net?  I entered that school fall 1987 as an undergraduate, and then came 
to U.S early 1988.  I don't know if there are any other classmates coming 
to U.S....  If you can read this message.  Send a message to me!...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:14:06 GMT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>Big difference: the Tibetians have *not* invaded China and have *not* entered
>to live in China.  All of the different races who have been assimilated into
>Chinese culture have.  The two examples you gave (Manchurians and Mongols) are
>perfect examples.

Tibet has not invaded China??????????????????????????????????????????

They have been invading China for the past 4000 years.... and it even
captured the then Capital of Tang Dynasty, plus taking two provinces
away from China (which was captured back 100 years later).

Why didn't China absorb them then, I don't know.  Maybe the Tang's
thought they'd wait 1000 years.  :-)

Anyway, that's Ancient History.  Looking at Tibet (XiZang) now, I think
it is better for all to have Tibet assimilated.

Do you know that the living standard of Tibet has been rising at fast
rate ever since China took it?  It's GNP per capital grew faster than
any part of China (except the industrialized areas and special zones).

The ONLY reasons some Tibetans want independance are, IMHO:

1)  Religious Freedom, which the Chinese government is relaxing restrictions
    on.
2)  They like to grow Tibetan food (like Barley) rather than Chinese food
    (like rice).

If they are given religious and cultural freedom, I don't think they would
want to be independant.  As someone (observing UN) once said in the 50's,
Tibet is "economically useless", "strategically useless", and "lacks the
resources to be important".  That's why only ONE country voted for Tibet
in UN when Communists took it in the 50's (PR China was not a recognized
then).

Tibetans have received so much money from Chinese government to help
them grow and feed themselves.  Without China, Tibet will be another
Somalia.  Are you willing to take the responsibility?  Or would you
rather let China do the job?

Also, I think the Outer Mongolians will be much better off if they
become a part of China.  Now that USSR doesn't exist, Mongolia is just
an economically depressed, and politically (and physically) isolated
country.  A bit like North Korea, really... a good reason for Korean
unification.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:08:05 EDT
From: <LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A thought on Shen Tong's arrest

There many ways to make changes (bad or good) in China. If you do it
smart and legaly, you will achieve some progress; if you do it
no-so-legally (not abide by ALL the relevent Chinese laws and policies
and more importantly, the leaders's directives), you have to pay the

price. I am not saying who is right who is wrong. Even though (assume)
Shen Tong did not violate the law and so forth, his arrest was expected.
He wanted to establish some shit of fund for democracy and did not
intend to overthrow the current Chinese goverment? Come on! You are
talking to kids or what? If you have had a chance to read Shen Tong's
book "Almost a Revolution", you will come up with the fact that he is
a one of those who want to overhtrow the goverment. Onece again I am
not saying he is wrong. May be these guys are right, but not now.
Waht the Chinses ordinary people need is a better life which is composed
of more money. Freedom of expression or speech? not the first priority.
Pro-freedom-of-speech-ers, you are not getting along with the mainstream
of Chinese people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Subject: Looking for Shiqing Hu
Reply-To: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:20:25 GMT

Dear netters,

This is a looking-for-friend post. Mr. Shiqing Hu, who gradauted from 
North-western Polytechnical Uinversity in XiAn of China in 1989, with 
a Master degree in Computer Science, is believed in Switzerlan now. His
wife's name is Fan Hongbin, she is with Mr. Shiqing Hu as I was told.

If anyone happend to know these folks, Please send me an email, or tell them
Lao3 (old) Si4 (four) is looking for them.

 


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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China's cost for progress 1
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:30:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China's cost for her economic progress -- ecological concerns
(part 1)

1. vegetative destruction
	a. overall forest coverage
		1949	13%
		1980s	11%
	b. 1/3 grassland is overgrazed and degenerating, total
desertified area has more than doubled since 1950s
	c. under threat of sand movement in North China
		3.9 millions ha. of cropland
		4.9 millions ha. of rangeland
		2,000 km (1250 mile) railways
	d. the affected areas by drought and flood increase 68% more
than 1950s in 1980s.

2. soil erosion
	a. 1.5 million sq. km or 15% of total land are suffers from soil
erosion. 
	b. roughly 1/3 of nation's total erosion taking place along the
Yellow River alone.
	c. 30% more land affected by erosion today than in 1940s.
	d. particular concerns are along Yangtze River where erosion
have doubled since 1950s.
	e. Sichuan Province has erosion at present 4 times higher than 
in 1950s. 44% of its area is undergoing erosion.
	f. 1,066 number of lakes in Hubei Province in 1949 has
diminished to 326 in the late 1980s. the land area covered by the lakes
has decreased by 3/4.
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: a (possible) light topic (chi bao le cheng de)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:13:17 GMT

For those who are interested, qing1sheng1/qing1du2 should be translated into 
English as 'neutral tone.'

Robert Sanders
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: very happy with SCC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:16:04 GMT


I am very happy with the current SCC discussions for three reasons:

  1.  more and more people hold 9201 compatible opinions on blood card bill;
  2.  more and more people objectively talk about China;
  3.  more and more people realize the true face of the democracy fighters.

I think the next step is to convert the intra-Chinese conflicts into the
GeMin(revolution) Dong(dynamic)Li(force), so that some big, healthy things
can physically happen.

Shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:40:44 GMT

xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:

>    I think you are too serious about this network talking. Whatever is
>being discussed here, it is totally usuless to China. What is needed is action,
>not talking. The netters here (or people of other groups) just need to
>communicate for their own sake, whether the discussions are dirty or clean. 
>The discussions in some other groups are more personal and practical, therefore
>more useful to the netters. There are too many big issues in this group. The 
>messages are useless to the netters as well as to the Chinese people living in
>China. However since talking may make a netter feel better, we still have this
>group here.  

I hope you realized that the reason I started the discussion is because
I found out that the Secretary of CCP, Jiang ZeMin is reading the trend.

I'm sure he will be interested in what Chinese overseas think and interested
in any good and practical/useful suggestions.  On the other hand, I doubt
very much that Bush reads soc.culture.usa.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:09:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.002805.8376@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.231953.20713@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
>(Chunde Shi) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug26.222042.6238@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>blood-presure low.
>
>Regards
>
>Carl
I did not want to show anything about me! I an not the issue, the issues here
are:
1. public funds embesselment(government payed tuition, board);
2. Used shameful scheme to stay here(no body say nothing about should they stay
here). I guess somebody should send those "head quater's decree" to news paper
let the world judge what low, mean, filthy souls behind the scheme.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave)
Subject: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: University Of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:32:39 GMT

I'm very disappointed in Chinese people.

I want to improve China, improve its people's living standard,
improve its productivity, improve its economy, improve its
stand in the world.  And I asked people to contribute suggestions
to how to improve China.

I got handful of constructive suggestions, but tons of noise and
flames on ideological differences, history, general complains, or
pure noise.

I feel that Chinese nowadays like to feel pride that they belong
to the oldest civilization in the world which still exists; but
when asked to do something to contribute, they hold back.

It seems that people don't care about China anymore, and lack
a nationalist spirit (remember the songs you used to sing? like:
"I am Chinese", "Desendants of Dragon", "Be a Brave Chinese"??)
people become too comfortable in Western societies, and don't care
less about helping their root, and blood brothers!

"Drink Water, Think Source"

Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
the country!

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Wake up! You bunch of Hypocrites! Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:28:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug24.184512.25279@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <92Aug24.140746edt.140@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu

>(Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug24.174712.24030@news.acns.nwu.edu>

(stuff deleted)

hi carl, i have been reading these exchanges for a few days
and can't help but jump in to make some observations although
i really don't hold much faith in getting any meaningful
discussions going.

first of all, i think our fellow css's are a bunch of most
selfish individuals on this planet. you look at the protection
bill lobbying fiasco w.r.t haitian refugee issue; the vehement
opposition of the bill from people who came here after 4/1/91;
not ot mention anti-lobbying effort by those who already has
a green card; all in the name of patriotic ultra-nationalism, in
the name of "our peolple". discuss other people's plight and
suffering with this bunch of hypocrites? they can't even put
their acts togather amongst themselves. no wonder we are "ugly".

on the other hand, living in this white men's world, sooner or
later, every one of us will encounter some racial incidents.
being on the receiving end of racial discrimination, with white
man telling you "we treat you better than we treat ourselves",
this, i would hope, will mellow their hard edge somewhat. then
again, as the descendants of ah'q, it might even harden their
hatred. as lincohn might say (since so many people like to
quote him): a bigot is always a bigot.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:23:03 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Re:A real story

=======================================================================

From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Subject: A real story
Organization: Cheung's Funky Shop, Co.


cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) wrote:

>A lot of Chinese students became "pro"-CCP after they came to the West, before
>that they were "anti"-CCP. I am one of them.
>I am so glad that a lot of people from mainland are really matured
>politically. I guesss this is one of the good effect of Culture Revolution,
>among other effects(good or bad).

...........
======================================================================

           shocked by so many people on SCC , as if RED GUARDs
           who follow Mao's words, were to set thier revolutionary
           red flag around world and here United States, as if
           CCP members here were much more than those in mainland China.

           Then realized that those elite have got real skill from
           america talk show and president Bush. "read my lips, green
           card only", while they advocate pro-CCP,worry about the future
           of CCP ,CG and chinese people.

           Finally learnt that those were well trained by Culture
           Revolution. No doubt about chinese education!

           Similar impression on D-fighters.

           Difference?  well, "read my lips".

           X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hlu@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: A thought on Shen Tong's arrest
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:45:12 GMT

In article <92247.200805LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu> LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>There many ways to make changes (bad or good) in China. If you do it
>smart and legaly, you will achieve some progress; if you do it
>no-so-legally (not abide by ALL the relevent Chinese laws and policies
>and more importantly, the leaders's directives), you have to pay the
>
>price. I am not saying who is right who is wrong. Even though (assume)
>Shen Tong did not violate the law and so forth, his arrest was expected.
>He wanted to establish some shit of fund for democracy and did not
>intend to overthrow the current Chinese goverment? Come on! You are
>talking to kids or what? If you have had a chance to read Shen Tong's
>book "Almost a Revolution", you will come up with the fact that he is
>a one of those who want to overhtrow the goverment. Onece again I am
>not saying he is wrong. May be these guys are right, but not now.
>Waht the Chinses ordinary people need is a better life which is composed
>of more money. Freedom of expression or speech? not the first priority.
>Pro-freedom-of-speech-ers, you are not getting along with the mainstream
>of Chinese people.

We are the masters. They are our servants. As one of the masters, I
have every right to criticize them and demand them to setp down. Of
course, we have to agree with the majority of the masters.

BBut, if they are masters and we are servants, or ther are emrors,
I will stay away from them or listen to whatever they have to say.

Guys, if I am correct, my motherland is people's republic. Maybe
I am totally wrong. I really wish I was right.

I hate to see people treat themselves as the slaves of their
governments. I think China is mine, is yours. Chinese
Government should belong to me, you and all the poeple of China.
They should listen to whatever we have to say. They are our servants to
provide us a place we can call home. They are our financial managers.
They are our security guards. They are our PR personels. We, as
the masters, shareholders, have every right to them. I wish someday I
can call it MY government, OUR government, like it really is mine
and ours.

I known many people may not agree with me. I am used to it.

H.J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:26:52 GMT

lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:

>>at least, she again proves to be a female. Sorry to some netters.
>>I doubt whether that Hongkong guy really felt in love with her or
>>just for her name.
>>
>>Any clues?

>May be she fell in love with his money.  Who knows?  Who cares?  :-)

>--Ben

You never love and merry someone for no reason. Money, fame...are just as
good reasons as personality.


Richard

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:22:30 GMT

In article <3019@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>|> ratings because Chinese government is bad, and everything is bad.
>|> How funny!
>
>Perhaps the failing of sending a satellite has more news value than one is
>successful, most of the time is successful anyway, what's new??
U.S. blew up one $80 million dollar worth satellite yesterday, unreported.
16 month ago, blew up one too.
>
>Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: [Info] Visa Application in China/Irregularities with Chinese Airlines
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:51:08 GMT

In article <BtEy4x.n3C@news.udel.edu> zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng) writes:
>In article <BtD9sw.3yE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>>The following is carried in August 22's CND-US:
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>4. Letters from Readers: Irregularities with Chinese Airlines;
>>                         Visa Application in China ..................... 125
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>Use JAL (Japan Airline). It provides smart service and low price. It's worth
>to stay at Tokyo for one night. Don't deal with Air China, though it is non-stop flight. By the way, JAL has offices in Bejing and Shang. If you have any
>problem, like changing the reservation of your return trip, just call them in
>Chinese, English or Japanese. I changed my schedules three times when I was
>in China this August. Everytime, only one simple call set everything, and it
>didn't cost me a penny more for that.
>
>Take my advice.

That is my advice too. Fly any airline but chinese airlines. I bought a NW
airline ticket and changed schedule once, a phone call was enough.
I didn't even live in Beijing. The reschedule was free.
From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Putting the "culture" back in "s.c.c"
Keywords: Eight Pilars of Destiny
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hey all!
	Sorry about the inflamatory title.  I'm just a little sick of
cultural discussions that end up as flamewars, but i'll get over it 
(C'est l'Usenet).  Anyway, i thought i'd break the tension with an
innocuous question:  what are the Eight Pillars of Destiny?  I'm not
sure what the Chinese call them, but the Korean name is Phalja or "8
characters" and the Chinese almost certainly came up with them.
	They are porported to give the hour, date, and year of one's 
birth.  What is the exact breakdown?  Is the hour given with an Earth
Branch, then numbers for the Day and Month, and then the binomial term
(Heaven Stem+Earth Branch) for the year?  But that's only five characters
so i'm obviously missing something.
	The importance of the Eight Pillars is that they tell one's
destiny and character.  Where is this information found?  Is it in one 
of the Chinese Classics?
	Any information or references would be much appreciated.
						Sincerly,
							Qiao Da-wen 


-- 
	Daniel "Da" von Brighoff (deb5@midway.uchicago.edu)  /\
	951 E. 54th Place				    /__\
	Chicago, IL  60637				   /____\
From: h1l@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shen Tong Was Arrested in China Today
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:38:30 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

  According to the ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings (6:30EST),
Shen Tong was arrested in China today.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong