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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:45:37 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BuBwq7.J0s@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
> 	In recent events on a MUSH on which I play, a female rider character
> became pregnant, and we started to discuss (no, not *right* after she got 
> pregnant, jeez...) the effects of between on pregnant women, and specifically,
> of course, on the unborn child.
> 	Observations:
> 	A Healer someplace mentioned that too much betweening is bad for 
> the unborn.
> 	Kylara, in DQ, thinks about how easy it is to abort--just a few seconds
> extra between and poof, no baby.
> 
> 	First, can anyone else find any other references?

I can't find the specific reference, all my books being several hundred miles
away at the moment, but I recall F'lar thinking much the same thing about
Lessa. At least I think it was F'lar. She'd only had the one child, and
couldn't have any more because it was too hard on her going between. Maybe it
was DQ?

--Semhaza
From: vshen@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (N. Vivienne Shen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:12:04 GMT
Reply-To: vshen@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (N. Vivienne Shen)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: vshen@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


I always thought that the reason Lessa was unable to have any more
children was because she was MEDICALLY unable to--remember, she's a tiny
person, and childbirth is a very stressful event. It could be that 
when she gave birth to Flessan, she nearly died, and was forbidden to
have any more children after that. I somehow doubt they can do
cesarians on Pern.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Weyrwoman seniority
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:26:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep9.163052.152@beaver.cs.washington.edu> tyrie@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Tyrie Grubic) writes:
>I recall that it was strictly age of dragon, based on birthdate and not
>worrying about the out-of-time business. However, (as in Moreta) a 
>WeyrWoman might retire to let someone younger take over the responsibilities.
>
>Also, it would seem completely reasonable that if the person who should be
>WeyrWoman were not capable of it that the "next in line" might take over.
>This would, however, be non-standard; a special case only.  Most queen
>riders were capable of being WeyrWoman.

I can imagine that this could have been 'policy' at one time.
Come the 9th pass, however, everything went higglety-pigglety. If
Wireneth (sp?) was indeed older than Ramoth, she and her rider
did not have experience as Sr. Queen & WeyrWoman, so would not be
the 'best choice', deferring to Kylara and Prideth (tho Kylara was
loony). 

After that, and the events of DragonQuest, it was pretty much
whomever was either the most-senior Jr. Queen (eg at Ista), or
whomever F'lar decided would be Sr. Weyrwoman.

Joshua
| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
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From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: more on bespeaking
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:30:00 +0000


In article <242@aegir.adl.dmt.csiro.au>, tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung) wr-
ites:
>
>> 5. Aramina can talk to any dragon, and also ...
>
>Could someone tell me who she is, presuming Aramina is a female,
>what novel/story she's in and general opinions about such novel/story
>which I probably haven't read ?  Without being too spoiling please :)
>
>I've read most of the Pern Dragonrider books but can't recall anyone
>called Aramina.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tom
>

Aramina is in "Renegades" (and "All the Weyrs" I think) and is, I
believe the main character in "The Girl Who Heard Dragons". And 
while I'm mentioning that story, anyone know when the re-print of 
this and "Rescue Run" is due out?

Peter.


-------------------------------------------| Lord of the Hold,
 *   *    Peter Boulter                    |  your charge is sure 
  ***     ---------------------------------| In thick walls, metal doors
 *   *    starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk   |  and no verdure.
-------------------------------------------|             -- Dragonflight.

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From: u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey)
Subject: The red planet
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:30:58 GMT

What exactly is on the red planet.

I seem to remember in Dragon's Dawn that one of the characters( I forget the
name as its been a while) tries to reach the planet and states 'oh no its...'
before her ship is destroyed.

So folks any ideas.

Dean.

Breeder of fire lizard.
(Real cheap as long as you like green)

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From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:23:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

>>I thought that the reference of F'lar to Lessa about no more children after 
>>F'lessan was the result of ::between:: for 400 yrs.  And that Kylara's
>>"just a few more moments between at the right moment" referred to becoming
>>*sterile* not abortion.

>Well, given that F'lessan was conceived a few Turns after Lessa's
>400 Turn jump, that blows that theory out of the water. Lessa and
>F'lar just have an infertility problem.

They have two separate problems:  trouble conceiving (this is
mentioned when she is talking about how Hold girls are convinced it's
evil to abort) and the fact that she almost died when bearing Felessan.

>Kylara was talking about abortion, almost certainly. 

Agreed.

However, there is the implication that there's another, non-Between
way of aborting -- perhaps through herbs, viz. the reference above
where one of Lessa's duties is helping girls abort.  I doubt she takes
them all Between, one at a time.
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From: mathews@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jason Mathews - GSFC/514)
Subject: Re: more on bespeaking
Summary: Aramina of Pern 
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 12:42:52 GMT

In article <242@aegir.adl.dmt.csiro.au> tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung) writes:
>
>> 5. Aramina can talk to any dragon, and also ...
>
>Could someone tell me who she is, presuming Aramina is a female,
>what novel/story she's in and general opinions about such novel/story
>which I probably haven't read ?  Without being too spoiling please :)
>
>I've read most of the Pern Dragonrider books but can't recall anyone
>called Aramina.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tom
>
>---
>Thomas J. Fung                                tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au
>
>CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology  -  Adelaide Laboratory
>Leeds Crescent,  Woodville North,  South Australia,  5012


Aramina is from the Renegades of Pern, which takes place at the same time
as The White Dragon.
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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: dragonsfire muse
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:00:28 GMT

I hav one question. Why is it that every time I try to go threw a door
I git the statment that I am far to big to go threw there. I git this whin
I try the great door, the kitchen and all uthere except the stable and the
gate-this is at Rutha hold also there have been time whin I tryed for the
gather grounds and got the mesage"humens only... sorry". Whats up?

ELF-KIN
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From: disaacs@pietrzak.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs)
Subject: The life of Thread
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:26:34 GMT

I seem to remember that in DragonsDawn, it was discovered that the thread
stage of thread was only the first stage of its life cycle.  Was it ever
discovered what forms the next cycles take?


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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Weyrwoman seniority
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:24:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I would infer that the senior Weyrwoman is chosen by the other Weyrwomen.
Seniority probably has a lot to do with it, but also ability to lead should
be a factor.  

As for the age thing, who's going to let Kylara be Weyrwoman when they could
have Lessa???

__NOVA__
______________________________________________________________________________

Don't leave me alone!			Live for my living	
	A cry in the night			Or else I must die
Of anguish heart-striking		Don't leave me alone
	Of soul-killing fright.			A world heard that cry.

				"Dragonsinger"
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: dragonsfire muse
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 23:57:20 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Sep9.171303.4678@batman.moravian.edu> escotoR@moravian.edu (Randall Escoto @ Moravian College Vampire CS Dept.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.185558.9731@cco.caltech.edu>, morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) writes:
>> It's stupid posting tricks like this that give MU*ers a bad name on this 
>> newsgroup.
> 
>  We've got a bad name here? I didn't notice it? Did anyone else?
>;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;>

*grin*

Excerpting from the 'Welcom to a.f.p' posting:
---
7) "You know, I'm getting tired of all the discussion about PernMUSH
     and its ilk!  Why doesn't it go away?"
---
Do you think I should take this one out? ;-)

(BTW, should I increase the frequency from monthly to semi-monthly?)

> **           **   |  Internet: escotoR@moravian.edu 

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: v099mvpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Marko)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re:ages
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:50:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY At Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



	IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, PRIDETH WAS OF RAMOTH'S FIRST 
	HATCHING. RAMOTH WAS TWO OR THREE TURNS OLD AT THE TIME.
	HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT RAMOTH AND LESSA WOULD HAVE 
	REPLACED NEMORTH AND JORA UNTIL NEMORTH COULDN'T LAY
	ANYMORE. SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE IS HINTED AT IN _THE
	WHITE DRAGON_ WHEN RAMOTH'S EGG WAS STOLEN. SOMEONE (I
	THINK IT WAS ROBINTON) SAID NEITHER MARDRA NOR MERIKA 
	WOULD WISH TO BE REPLACED BY A YOUNG QUEEN, AS BOTH
	DRAGONS WERE PAST PRIME AGE.  ALSO, WIRENTH AND BREKKE
	COULDN'T REPLACE PRIDETH AND KYLARA AT SOUTHERN OR HIGH
	REACHES, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT KYLARA WAS A SCHMUCK.
	



			JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION
					MARKO
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From: escotoR@moravian.edu (Randall Escoto @ Moravian College Vampire CS Dept.)
Subject: Re: dragonsfire muse
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:13:02 EDT

In article <1992Sep9.185558.9731@cco.caltech.edu>, morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) writes:
> 
> It's stupid posting tricks like this that give MU*ers a bad name on this 
> newsgroup.
> 
  We've got a bad name here? I didn't notice it? Did anyone else?
;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;> ;>


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From: odpp@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Daniel Peck)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: dragonsfire muse
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:28:23 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology

Perhaps you did not enter the following statements yet:

@addparent me=#16
@addparent me=#77

I *THINK* those two things will make you 'human' (Pernese), but you should
check with a guide for more assistance.


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From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: senority-queens
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:16:56 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: g90c5764@giraffe.ru.ac.za's message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:28:16 GMT


While rereading _Moreta_ over the weekend, I noticed an assertion that
the senior queen was replaced when she was too old to rise on schedule,
and her replacement was the queen whose rider was the oldest.  Thus
Moreta's Orlith became senior at Fort, when Leri's Holth did not rise,
though they had transferred in from Ista (it's not stated why they
transferred) less than ten Turns previously.  Surely one of the other
weyrwomen at Fort (note, they had five riders in their queen wing) had
been AT Fort for longer than ten Turns... 

This differs from the procedure of choosing a pair to open a new Weyr.
_All the Weyrs_ states that the first junior queen to rise after the
Weyr is ready, becomes senior, along with her mate, making it as fair
and random as possible.  (Would that the MU*s could be so random...)

				AMBAR
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From: verwey@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary-Ann Verwey)
Subject: Re: dragonsfire muse
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:31:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep9.112823.26865@pool.info.sunyit.edu> odpp@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Daniel Peck) writes:
>Perhaps you did not enter the following statements yet:
>
>@addparent me=#16

Yes you need to do this but...

>@addparent me=#77

This is just for global actions and not really necessary :)

>I *THINK* those two things will make you 'human' (Pernese), but you should
>check with a guide for more assistance.

Clear Skies :)

Ezmeralda on DF


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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Names of weyrbred
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:54:32 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <s#ynylj@lynx.unm.edu>, quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.230044.2035@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:
>>[Description of the "T'kil" problem]
>>
>>So the score is 2-2, any sort of logic to this or is this an inconsistency
>>in the books?
> 
> In the past, this has been explained as...
> 
> 1) Been explained away as an mistake on Anne's part similar to the
> "What color was Lytol's dragon?" problem.
In dragonflight his dragon is blue tagath, where is it mentioned as any
other?
> 
> 2) Massive case of presumption and snootiness on the part of Kylara.
> 
> -- 
> Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
>  I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
>                           what I have now...
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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Aramina
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:30:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Yeah, I think dolphins are referred to before Dragonsdawn--as shipfish, in one 
of the Harper Hall Trilogy.  But then, I could be wrong, as all my copies of
the Pern novels are back home in Miami (and I'm not even sure how many of them
survived Hurricane Andrew...).  Comments?

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

Don't leave me alone			Live for my living
	A cry in the night			Or else I must die
Of anguish heart-striking		Don't leave me alone
	Of soul-killing fright			A world heard that cry.

		             "Dragonsinger"
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: re: ages
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:38:18 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu () writes:
>In article <BuBwL1.A9z@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v099mvpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Marko) writes:
>> 	HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT RAMOTH AND LESSA WOULD HAVE 
>> 	REPLACED NEMORTH AND JORA UNTIL NEMORTH COULDN'T LAY
>> 	ANYMORE.

I thought that Nemorth was dead or dying by the time Ramorth was hatched.

Philippa

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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <BuFDx2.MyM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt) writes:
>In article <BuDtox.HK0@andy.bgsu.edu>, 
>jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>> Forwarded for a friend:
>> Gah. The reference to Kylara was most CERTAINLY talking about 
>> abortion.  Cold does not kick ones ovaries into nevermore producing. IF 
>> ANYTHING, it would affect men's testes first, since in sexually active men 
>> they are outside the body cavity (as opposed to very young boys) and 
>> the ovaries are deep inside the body and quite well protected.  I forget 
>> all my physiology details but I think the testes MUST be outside the body
>> cavity *because* of the lower temperature, which is related to proper sperm
>> production. So, (deleted), every male dragonrider would be
>> sterile. Which, we ALL know, ain't true, considering the number of little
>> weyr-brats running around on Pern.
>> 
>Just arguing this point, male sperm production is an ongoing event...guys
>produce new ones all their lives.  Females begin with a certain amount
>of unmatured eggs in their ovaries to last their whole lives.
>Therefore, the effect of ::between:: on a male might differ from the 
>female.

However, male dragonriders seem to go /Between/ an average of once per day or
more. Sperm aren't particularly resistant to temperature changes (which is why
tight pants aren't good for a man's sperm count), so if it was the cold which
did it, male riders would have to stay out of /Between/ for about 24hours or
so if they wanted to be fertile.

Personally, I think that it's likely to be something a little more subtle than
freezing the fetus to death, as it were.

As for how to stay safely /Between/ for an extra few seconds, why, just ask 
your dragon to do it! They can do anything they think they can do, right?

-Doriana, rider of Green Tayefeth, and non-mother.

My biggest budget problem is food:
My stomach wants four meals a day.
My budget wants two.
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From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Re:  Pregnancy and between 
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:43:45 GMT

Forwarded for a friend:


-----

Gah. The reference to Kylara was most CERTAINLY talking about 
abortion.  Cold does not kick ones ovaries into nevermore producing. IF 
ANYTHING, it would affect men's testes first, since in sexually active men 
they are outside the body cavity (as opposed to very young boys) and 
the ovaries are deep inside the body and quite well protected.  I forget 
all my physiology details but I think the testes MUST be outside the body
cavity *because* of the lower temperature, which is related to proper sperm
production. So, if that nitwit was correct, every male dragonrider would be
sterile. Which, we ALL know, ain't true, considering the number of little
weyr-brats running around on Pern.

I suspect that what Anne was REFERRING to, is that any major systemic
shock, such as going through Between and staying for a while -- and I'm 
talking about the emotional impact as well as just the intense cold and any
other physical effects -- can cause a woman to spontaneously abort. It happens
quite often in RL. According to my sister (who researched it, holds a medical
degree, and was personally interested since she had great difficulties in 
successfully carrying a baby to term) about 75% of all preganancies end in
early spontaneous abortion, usually so early that the woman is never aware of
it and it just appears to be an especially heavy menstrual flow. This is a 
good thing, not a bad one, since it's evidently triggered if there's something
severely wrong going on with the blastoplast (or whatever the word is, I've
forgotten) or fetus. Granted there are enough poor kids born with defects
regardless, but there IS some quality control going on.

I certainly am not an expert on this subject... if one of you out there is an
MD and cares to correct any of this, please do so. What I *am* pointing out is
that Anne was probably referring to something such as what I mentioned above,
and whether it's _actually_ what would really happen if a pregnant woman
stayed Between too long (if in fact, that's even possible) is irrelevant. It'sa story, remember? 

	Marlena @ SouCon




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From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: the dalphins
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:56:01 GMT

the dalfins were the first and best inhancement to be made. that was why
they were not along. Aramina is not the only one who hears the dalphinds
talk. I have always thought that she was hearing something that has yet
to be found as avisis solor panals were covered and it only had enufe
power to mantain core activitys.

ELF-KIN
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From: g90c5764@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR TG CLARANCE)
Subject: re:senority-queens
Keywords: gold senior
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:28:16 GMT

this is in connection with the pern senority of the dragon queens.

THOUGHT:
The queens are quite terriorial, especially during mating - slightly akin to 
bees.  Possibly the senority of the queens is dependant on the strength of 
the dragons themselves.  A queen will establish herself as the most senior 
dragon and try to hold that position until challenged by a younger queen.
In the books this never happened (to my knowledge) as many of the weyrs were 
empty and the other queens could go to other weyrs.  It also maybe that 
there is a form of telepathic fighting by the queens to gain status, 
rather than actual fighting, ie trying to bluff the other dragon down.

It is also possible that the riders have something to do with the damping of 
the territorial instincts of the dragons as man is a social creature by 
nature.It must be quite hard on the dragons to have a link with some one 
that is at odd with your instincts.

Cheers
Guy


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