HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian,soc.culture.cis,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.czecho-slovak,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:39:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

===============================
 irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:

>THE CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK   
>(Especially for Christians)
>STATEMENT OF INTENTION
>
>"Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful instruction; 
>and reason with them in ways that are best and most gracious:"  
     ------
>(Qur'an 16:125)


	 Sir, what is your "reason?"
	 And, what is your message?
	 Are you certain, that you are in the right newsgroups? 
	 Life, and therefore time, is precious. So, be brief.


>Ship Example:
>-------------
>We, Muslims, are told by Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (ASM), that a time will
>come when Christians will eventually join the ranks of Islam by purifying 
>their faith.  We are also told in the Most-Wise Qur'an 
>that the closest people to
>Muslims in friendship will be those Christians who are devoted to learning of
>the truth, who are not arrogant, and who have denounced the world.  With these
>information and guidance in mind, we regard 
>our Christian friends as travelling
>in a ship called "Christianity" in the dark, stormy waters of Western
>materialist ideologies and atheism.  However, we see 
>that this ship is sinking,
>and groups of people are committing suicide by jumping out into those dark
>waters.  The ship is sinking because some people inside have been opening up
>holes in it out of their own various reasons, and because secular philosophies
>outside have been torpedoing it harshly.  We, Muslims, do not want to sink the
>ship, rather we want to patch up its holes, throw away all the poisonous
>weights in it, and change its name to Islam, whose captain will be Jesus (AS)
>himself, InsaAllah Teala!  . The Message of All Prophets
> were all same:  'There is no god but Allah.'

 Where is this ship going?
 And what is this ocean?

 I love to travel alone in yachts, thank you.
 
 Are posts like these, within the charter of this newsgroup. 
 Someone, speak up. 

T.Y.
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tyadav@athena.mit.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:20:18 -0400 
From: Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Romania 3rd in Math Olympiad

>	1. China		240 p ( out of 252 )
>	2. USA			178 p
>	3. ROMANIA		177 p
>	4. Unified Team		176 p
>	5. England 		168 p
>
>I think Romania was 3'rd last year, too .

Over the years, Math Olympics have been dominated by Romania,
Hungary, Soviet Union, and [more recently] Vietnam.  The past few
Olympics saw the emergence as "powers" of the US and China.
However, they are not an accurate indication for the general level in
a country.

Rad
From: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM (George Haber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies,Jews and "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:16:28 GMT
Reply-To: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: haber

++> There are some REAL BIGOTS HERE WHO talk about Gypsies in a VERY disturbing way.
++>Let me point out some FACTS;
++> - There are BAD people in every National subgroup.

++What do you mean by national subgroup?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

 I men "natiuni conlocuitore" MOLDOVENI, MUNTENI, SASI, MAGYARI, OLTENI
MOTI, BRINCOVENI, TIGANI, DOBROGENI, EVREI .... etc..

?? What do you men by Romani, Jugoslavi, Cechi, Rusi ??? , AMERICAN ??

++> - There are GOD people in every National subgroup.

++Have you ever been stolen money from your pocket by little kids, which are
++then protected by some gang of mean looking dudes?  If not, then just do not
++defend them.  According to your statement, mania and racketeering is correct
++too since they take advantage of the situation and provide the services to
++few that need them.  Right?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 NO I DID not say that But if YOU are a RACIST :( than you may think that
ALL GYPSIES are the same implying  IMPLY THAT there is "SOME GENETIC"
deformation about them that makes them steal ?.

++>"BISNITAR" ==> CAPITALIST and that is MUCH MUCH Bater than COMMUNIST <== "CUR LINGAU"

++See the above statement.

++Why do you think that Anti-trust laws are in effect in the States?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 There were newer any laws against any national subgroup ( in the last 30 years) in US or
anyware else except South Africa.
 Anti trust laws are against corporations .??.



George Haber
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From: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM (George Haber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 7 Sep 1992 20:39:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: haber

In article 188t7mINN9rl@agate.berkeley.edu, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
=>Truth of the matter is that Gypsies have a much higher propensity, as a group
=>to commit crimes. Of course, this is just the result of hundred of years of
=>economic and social discrimination. If you really want to address this pro-  
=>blem though, you have to start by verbalizing it: that is what I though Sascha
=>was trying to do..
=>

YES ( TOVARASU ??) TOMESCU but maybe they are in this situation because, for MANY
MANY Years they were forced to Live outside the Socio-Economic Mainstreem by BIGOTS.

=>No, they are not an important part of Romanian society; their apport to the
=>real yearly GNP is probably 5-7%, at best..and anywhere else they are defini-
=>tely underrepresented...

Yes in Theoretical Economi Therms this may be truth ?? but no body else is willing
to do what they do.

=>>"BISNITAR" ==> CAPITALIST and that is Bater than COMUNIST <== "CUR LINGAU"
=>
=>I was sort of hoping s.c.r. will eventually become void of linguistic vio-
=>lences but I guess George Haber believes in plasticity foremost...In addition
=>he seems to unconditionally equate small, frantic entrepreneurship with 
 
 Yes But this is THE BEGINING of COPITALISM in Romania and in the 
Begining "Thre is CHAOS" . 
 
 Now in time ( 5 - 10 years) when the Economic-System starts Working,
 then Biger enterprises will take over and exploit market opportunities.

=>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
=>Department of Economics
 
?? what Yes Berkeley ??

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From: msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Iliescu's candidacy for Senate( was Re: ... News from RFE/RL, 9/11/92 )
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:01:15 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <1992Sep14.001805.9270@news.uiowa.edu> acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu  
(Alin-Andrei Carsteanu) writes:
> We once read in the News that the Romanian Supreme Court ruled 2 to 1
> AGAINST Iliescu's candidacy for Senate, now that the Court HAD REJECTED
> discussing the case. Can anyone explain? The issue might be somewhat
> important...
> 	Alin

From RFE/RL, 9/7/92:
ILIESCU BARRED FROM RUNNING FOR THE SENATE. Following a suit filed
by the Democratic Convention against President Ion Iliescu's
candidacy, the Bucharest Municipal Tribunal has barred him from
running for a Senate seat on the slate of the Democratic National
[...]


From RFE/RL, 9/11/92:
ROMANIAN HIGH COURT RULES ON ILIESCU'S SENATE CANDIDACY. On 10
September the Supreme Court of Justice rejected an action by
attorney Nicolae Cerveni against the Democratic National Salvation
Front (DNSF), the party backing Ion Iliescu's candidacy for a seat
in the Senate. Cerveni contends that the DNSF's decision to field
[...]

It really would have been too good to be true. The first ruling has
been by a local (municipal) tribunal.

Mihai
msirbu@cs.umr.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN = CUR'AN ?? 
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:53:34 GMT


Bah.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: dbirsan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dorian)
Subject: Romania 3rd in Math Olympiad
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:45:08 GMT


  For those of you who're interested and haven't learned it
already, Romania scored third in this year's IMO ( International
Mathematical Olympiad ) that was held in Moscow.
The first 5 teams were as follows :

	1. China		240 p ( out of 252 )
	2. USA			178 p
	3. ROMANIA		177 p
	4. Unified Team		176 p
	5. England 		168 p

I think Romania was 3'rd last year, too .

-Dorian.

p.s. I thought this post would somehow change the current topic about
      Gypsies, yet one might ask himself/herself whether there
      was any Gypsy in the team ... :-)
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From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: New names (was: Re: Table after 5 rounds)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:08:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:

>In article <ns.716276127@csd> ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru) writes:

>>It is named 'Stadionul National' (the National Stadium). A lot of streets
>>had their names changed too.

I looked today on a plan of Bucharest from 1991 (the one edited by
the public transport company RATB with the trolley, bus and trolleybus
routes) and the former 23 August stadium appears under the name
'Stadionul Olimpic' (the Olympic Stadium)...

>Nick, do you think that I will be completely lost if I go back home?
>Last time I was back, in 1987, I felt quite strange, somewhat like 
>a tourist.  I guess it will get only worst when I go next time.

This summer I visited Bucharest for the first time since I left Romania
in March 1988 (I was there in May 1990 too, but for a few hours only).
But I remember that already in 1986 - 1987, while still living there,
I felt like a stranger because of the rapid reconfiguring of the city.
In the summer of 1987 a car from the Dolj district stopped near me and
the driver asked me how to get to the Bucharest-North railroad station
from the Military Academy (I was there on my bike, waiting for green
light). I was unable to tell him the way - I didn't know which streets,
bridges etc. were closed for traffic due to demolishings and all sorts
of construction works - blocks of flats, palaces, subway stations,
trolley lines, channels, locks, dams, reservoirs, monuments, etc. -
that were started after 1984 at the orders of Ceausescu. Now the
city is really weird - many areas that were still untouched when I
left in 1988 are now a kind of no-man's land that reminded me of a photo
taken in Dresden after the bomb raids in Feb. 1945 and there are unfinished
buildings abandoned since December 1989 at every few hundred meters,
stripped of everything that could be dismantled and carried away (windows,
doors, plumbing, even masonry)...

>Sasha

Long Haired Nick

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From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: How much news?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:20 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

If you have time to select the news concerning Romania the way you do
it now, it's really great! If you don't, you've done a great job anyway,
by letting us know about this news source!

	Alin
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:49:12 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep8.175624.25717@kth.se> mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu) writes:

>what (a) couldn't provide]. As far as black-market is concearned,
>I think that it was a consequence of (a), so the actual persons
>who sold (tricked) are not really important. Don't forget that selling
>chewinggum, Kent, jeans etc was only one segment of the black-market,
>but there were other refined forms where the "Gypsy" didn't have access:
>Getting medicine from the Party's clinics, getting a good hotel at
>the sea-side, getting a counterfit medical leave, getting a passport
>etc etc etc. This kind of black-market was run by the very "respectable"
>class. 

Mihai,
I think you misunderstood my point.  Rad said that they contributed to
the "free market" phenomena by providing the supply to the demand.  I said
that there wasn't any demand for the kind of things they sold.  Why they
did not get into getting good things on the market?  They did not have
capital, and the turnover effect did not have enough in their eyes.

I never bought anything from them since I knew was not of quality and I knew
I cannot trust them with money.  I heard many stories from foreigners being
taken in by money tricks.  What it hurt me when I was there is that the
foreigners learned about Romanians what they showed to them.  I felt 
embarrassed to tell them whom they dealt with.

Please do not tell me that I am racist since I wrote "they, them" because
I could not find a better way to differentiate.  If the fact that I 
differentiate is racist than maybe I am one.

Sasha Bucur
From: TONY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Tony Roder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romanian word processors
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:46:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <jyxnh+h.raicu@netcom.com>, raicu@netcom.com (Eugen Raicu) says:
>
>Are there any word processors with fonts or character sets compatible
>with correct Romanian spelling? If I find any info and there is enough
>interest, I will post a summary.
>
WordPerfect allows you to selectively redefine your keyboard, which is what
I did to assign i^ to CTRL-I, and so on.  Since it also allows you to create
a number of such redefined keyboards, you can switch between them (with
SHIFT-F1) as needed.

Cu toate bune...

-----------------------------------
Tony Roder, speaking his mind .....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Tudor Jebelean)
Subject: Re: How much news?
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:21:04 GMT


Post! Post! Post!

>  1) continue posting this way,

and thank you very much for doing it!

I think it is very good how you are doing it know.
People which are not interested can just skip them,
as for the trafic, it is still very low compared with
other groups.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: timis@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Timis)
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:28:28 GMT

There are smart people and stupid people; there are honest people and thieves;
there are educated people and ingnorants... and so on. There are also Romanian,
Gypsies, Jews, Hungarians, Germans, etc...

Anyone who associates a particular trait to an ethnic group is making racist
remarks (Note that I did not say "is a racist").

Even if statistics would clearly show that 90% of the Gypsies are thieves
and only 10% are honest and 90% of non-Gypsies are honest and 10% are thieves,
when I want to "associate" with somebody I want to make sure he/she is not a
thief, and I totally disregard any ethnic origin in my assessment of his/her
honesty.

I'm very sorry to hear that some of you had bad experiences with Gypsies
(I personally had more good experiences than bad ones) but I'm also extremely 
disapointed to see so many racist remarks, and so much bigotry in this
newsgroup lately.

Dan Timis

Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 23:41:34 -0400 
From: Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: gypsies

Sasha writes:
Gypsies are nomad by nature and education.  So, they have a problem settling
down.

I say:
This is not entirely accurate.  I have many Gypsy friends and all of them
belong to a group that has settled (has abandoned nomadic life) centuries
ago.  Actually, I have the feeling that those that live around Bucharest's
main railroad station, in the heart of the capital, have a longer list of
ancestors having lived in that area than most other ethnical groups.
They pointed out that they consider themselves as a different group from
those nomads one most oftenly finds in Transilvania and in rural zones in
"Regat".  They are as urbanized and sophisticated as any group you would
meet in a major city, anywhere in the world.

Rad
From: TONY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Tony Roder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Recipes
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:15:49 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I thought I would post the following message in here, where it might
elicit some response for the original poster:

>From: westendorf@iscsvax.uni.edu
>Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>Subject: Romanian Recipes Needed
>Message-ID: <1992Sep14.114402.6740@iscsvax.uni.edu>
>Date: 14 Sep 92 16:44:01 GMT
>Organization: University of Northern Iowa
>
> I'm looking for recipes from Romania.  I have had some of their
> chocolate pastries and they are excellent.  My son needs to
> cook a Romanian dinner, anyone out there know of any recipes.
>thanks,
>
>  MaryW.

I will also tell her that she can look for the answers here.

Pofta buna....

-----------------------------------
Tony Roder, speaking his mind .....
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: New names (was: Re: Table after 5 rounds)
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:00:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

tr2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Richardson) writes:

>Does anyone know of any towns which have changed?

The Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej city got back its former name Onesti (One\c{s}ti).
Other towns may have changed their names too. Otelul Rosu (O\c{t}elul Ro\c{s}u)
has however not returned to its former name Ferdinand.

>Have any of the metro stations in Bucharest changed their names?

I think that a few of them got new names. The subway has now three lines
totalling more than 50 km and about 50 stations. The rolling stock consists
of 130 two-car electric motor units that can be coupled in trains of
up to three such units (six cars). Only 40 units are in operation, the
rest have been 'cannibalized' for spare parts, so that the average interval
between the trains is 15 - 20 minutes (in 1979 - 1980: 2 to 5 minutes...).
The administration tries now to find a western partner that can help
with the rebuilding of the entire car fleet. A new line is beeing
built along Calea Grivitei - Bucurestii Noi, from Gara de Nord (Northern
Railroad Station) to the Laromet works.

>(I noted that Piata Romana was still not marked on most of the maps I
>saw in July.... alluding to its creation as an afterthought!)

I have it on my map (and I was there during the summer...).

>Thomas Richardson

Long Haired Nick

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From: tr2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: New names (was: Re: Table after 5 rounds)
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cegdyOW00VB804SFBB
	<ns.716276127@csd>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru) writes:


> A lot of streets had their names changed too.

The following case immediately sprang to mind:

Old:				New:

Strada Cosmonautilor  	Strada George Enescu

Does anyone know of any towns which have changed?

Have any of the metro stations in Bucharest changed their names?

(I noted that Piata Romana was still not marked on most of the maps I
saw in July.... alluding to its creation as an afterthought!)

Thomas Richardson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: tford@convex.com (Tom Ford)
Subject: Questions about Romania/Moldova
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:44:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I am going with a group on a missions trip to Romania and Moldova in October.
I went to Romania last year, and it was a very productive trip.  I have a 
great love for the Romanian people.

I would like to find someone that could answer some questions I have about
Moldova and maybe help with a little translation.  I've been studying the 
history of the region and the news posts for a while, but I dont understand 
the current state of affairs in Moldova.  I would appreciate any help I can 
get.  Please respond via e-mail.   If there is interest I'll post a summary.

Multumesc,
Tom Ford
tford@convex.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian