From: rdh@Veritas.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Feminists Growing Old Alone (was: Japanese Women's Lib)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:04:55 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <mgzjkbm.sheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.002707.22374@Veritas.COM> rdh@Veritas.COM (Robert Hartman) writes:
>>The cultural feminists would say that those same-sex couples that adopt
>>dominant/submissive roles are simply aping the roles they see in the
>>culture-at-large.  They're skeptical that such role-playing is necessary
>>or healthy in either case.  They'd say that these roles derived from a
>>time when marauders took women as slaves, and then institutionalized the
>>form so as to placate the indiginous men whom they corrupted.
>>
>So, you're suggesting that militant lesbians are leading the lifestyle
>they are because they've been brainwashed by Patriarchy? :)
>
>How do they determine which one will be "on top", so to speak?
>"I'll wrestle you for it, best of five!" Or: does this convention
>for conflict resolution make life go more smoothly for *both* partners?
>
>
>>I do agree with you about the New Age twaddle.  But with all that I've still
>>found some very fun, interesting, and helpful things at some of those fairs.
>
>Yes, I go sometimes, too. Wonderfully entertaining!
>
>>> ... she would like to get remarried, but she's in her 40s, and
>>>the odds are strongly against her. ...
>>
>>On what do you base this conclusion about her odds?  All of those "man
>>shortage" stories have been shown to be, to borrow a word from you, twaddle.
>>
>Oh, not true! While Faludi quite rightly debunks those accounts saying
>'you're more likely to get killed by a terrorist than get married',
>it is simply a FACT that the ratio of unmarried women to men rises
>sharply with age. One book gives the number of unmarried men for every
>100 unmarried women here in San Jose, and it's something like:
>
>  age 25, 110, 
>      30, 105
>      35   90
>      40   75
>      45   55 ...
>      65   20         (this is from memory, not exact).
>
>Couple this with the fact that most men middle aged or older are
>interested in a wife younger than themsleves, and we see that a
>woman's prospects for marriage fall off drastically as she gets
>older. For the unmarried, the reality is:
>
>                     WOMEN                             MEN
>
>  
>Age 25        I'm the Queen of the World.      Can't you find time to go
>               Everyone Wants me. I don't      out with me next week, maybe?
>              Need a man. I'm having too       You're very beautiful. I
>               much fun to settle down.        believe in marriage and kids.
>
>Age 45        Couldn't we go to a concert      You sound like you're getting
>               or something? I enjoy your      too serious. I'm having
>               company, we make a good         too much fun to settle down.
>               couple.
>
>-- 
>  
>        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
>  
> Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
>
>     "In the 1970's the world will undergo famines - hundreds of millions
>     of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs 
>     embarked upon now ... in 1985, when it is calculated [under the most
>     optimistic scenario] that the major die-back will be over, ..."
>       
>                       Dr. Paul Ehrlich, "The Population Bomb," 1968