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From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:01:20 GMT

jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie) writes:

>In article <1hvj4hINN873@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>>He doesn't even hit the ball all that long.
>>
>Actually, he just barely beat out Jim Dent from the Senior PGA for
>long ball honors. I prefer to watch Jim. He's got better manners. 
>>290 isn't Godzilla.
>>
>>353 is.
>>


Since the seniors play with much wider fairways, and guys like Daly on the
regular Tour often have to use a 1-iron to keep their tee shots into the tight
fairways, you can rest assured Daly's average *drive* is a lot bigger than 290.
*I* can average 290 for the day even on my watered fairways, and I've seen Jim
Dent (back about 10 or 15 years ago when he was REALLY long) and Fred Couples
etc. up close and personal and I can guarantee you these guys drove into places
on my home course I've only seen when I'm backed by a 25mph wind!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: arb@presto.ig.com (Dan Arbios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf etiqette
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:20:39 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


Enough with this topic!!!  If you want to know how to play the game,
buy "The Rules of Golf," at any, I repeat, any golf store..if you are
interested in rehashing all this ,by allmeans do, but I personally
would like some new topics, like polyester vs. Dockers....the real
tough questions, you know?  

-Olazabasq
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bll@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Brad Loney)
Subject: Advice on Hooked Driver
Organization: Loral WDL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:59:37 GMT

Does anyone have any experience on using hooked drivers.  I'm trying to get
rid of my life long slice with my driver.

Does the Hooked driver work ?  What degree hook and loft do you have ?
Are they legal ?

I've been looking at the Golfworks "Straight Shooter" club.

Comments are appreciated.

Thanks in advance...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Polyester vs. Dockers (Re: Golf etiqette)
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:43:51 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   29 Dec 92 21:20:39 GMT
>FROM:   Dan Arbios <arb@presto.ig.com>
>
>Enough with this topic!!!  If you want to know how to play the game,
>buy "The Rules of Golf," at any, I repeat, any golf store..if you are
>interested in rehashing all this ,by allmeans do, but I personally
>would like some new topics, like polyester vs. Dockers....the real
>tough questions, you know?  
>
>-Olazabasq

In the USGA book, there is a 2-page summary of etiquette which explains 
nothing of the mechanics of repairing a ball mark, however.  This is more the
sort of thing my posts will cover, not whether or not one should repair them
at all, which is stupidly obvious.  My informal sample indicates that less
than half of even veteran golfers know how to properly repair a ball mark.

And of course, if you are lucky enough to have a UNIX reader, which
I do not, try adding to ~/news/rec/sport/golf/KILL the following line
/p00168@psilink/:j
or use the "kK^K" commands.  

It's been a while, but it's something like that.

But, if you don't have a nice news reader, I guess you're just screwed.
Sorry you're bored by it, but my email says that some are interested.
I do sympathize, though.  Since you're a .com, I suspect you have to download
EVERYTHING like I do, with no kill.  Sucks, doesn't it?

  ,...,.,,
 /666;    ',    jim tims
////;    _~ -   p00168@psilink.com
(/@/----0-~-0
 ;'  . `` ~ \'
  , `    ' , >      Try rec.sport.bowling, too.  But you wanted a new thread.
;;|\..((   -C---->> I stand opposed to the use of polyester in clothing.
;;| >-  `.__),;;    Dockers are overpriced.  There you have it. A new thread.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: green@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.bruce.green)
Subject: Regarding A Question About Spin
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:44:01 GMT


>I'm looking for an article or book on the physics of golf.  In particular I'd
>like to understand how spin works to make a ball hit to the right curve back
>to the left to hit on the fairway.  It seems to me that (looking down from
>above) that a right hander hitting to the right will put clockwise spin on
>the ball that that would make it curve to the right.  ????
>
>thanks, 
>Judy

The clubhead striking the ball directly from behind will impart no side
spin and the flight will not curve.  (Hogan says nobody can do that with 
any consistency)  If the clubhead is moving from outside the target line 
to inside, the clockwise spin will cause a slice.  The opposite (inside 
to outside) will cause a hook.  But! A ball hit off the toe of the club 
will cause the clubhead to rotate about its center of mass and impart 
some counter clockwise spin to the ball causing a hook.  Likewise, heel 
shots would tend to slice.  This is often called "gear effect" and is 
probably a slightly weaker effect than the clubhead path variations 
but within the same order of magnitude. Typical woods have a bulge and 
roll component to their faces to counteract this effect.  Irons are 
less affected by hook and slice spins because their lofts create such 
a dominant backspin.  There's more but I'll stop for now. 

By the way, I only know of a physics book about baseball.

					Dave Green
					dbg@attmail.com
					
And wasn't someone asking about the F=1/2MV^2 equation also?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:47:06 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   28 Dec 92 02:31:22 GMT
>FROM:   Mark Bisgeier <mdb@netcom.com>
>
>Lookin' forward to the rest of your exegesis... It seems that
>much of etiquette really comes down to common sense; there really
>is very little that is merely ceremonial about it, no?
>
>-- 
>
>Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com

I've tried to think of something like the bowing in karate,
or the touching of gloves in boxing, and I can't think of anything.
Maybe I'm just drawing a blank, here, but I would have to agree
with your observation.  Everything in  G-E that I can think of has
a practical basis in fair play, speed of play, or care for the course.

I would quibble about them all being "common sense", although, once
brought to someone's attention, everything seems pretty obvious.  A
beginner doesn't automatically discern that the trap needs raking, or
that it is best to enter a bunker from the low side as near the ball
as possible, for example. 

Interesting observation, Mark.  Is golf really ceremony free?  I was
trying to think of other sports that contain ceremonial activities.
Fencing (en guarde salute), but I'm already out of gas.  Maybe golf is
more the norm in this respect.  

  ,...,.,,
 /666;    ',    jim tims
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(/@/----0-~-0
 ;'  . `` ~ \'
  , `    ' , >
;;|\..((   -C---->> 
;;| >-  `.__),;;
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Regripping clubs - need advice
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:44:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

Thanks to everyone who replied to my regripping questions. I visited my
local pro shop last night, and they gave me a price of $4.50 per club to
put on full-cord "Cleveland Classics" grips, so I decided to go for it.
They said they would add extra tape to the shafts to build up the grip
diameters to make the oversized, too. I had a look at soft leather, rubber,
half-cord and full-cord grips, and decided on the full-cords based on
most of the advice I received from this group. (My hands are so calloused
from playing so much golf that I doubt they'll hurt my hands, anyway!)

Merry Christmas,

Fred

P.S. Next time, I'll look into regripping them myself...  
-- 
---------------------------------------------------

	Fred L. Templin
	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)

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From: stine@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Blaine Stine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Taylor Made Drivers in LA
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:57:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I just thought I'd pass this on if anyone is interested. I just
saw brand new Taylor Made Burner Plus 9.5deg, 8.5deg and 111deg
drivers for $45 brand new. There are two stores in downtown Los Angles
called Jeans Pacific (213) 621-3039. I have nothing to do with 
the store other than being a happy customer.


Blaine Stine
wbstine@ucsd.edu
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:53:53 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

He doesn't even hit the ball all that long.

290 isn't Godzilla.

353 is.

				--Blair
				  "Read this post aloud, but make
				   sure the words don't match the
				   movement of your lips."
From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: John Daly
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:34:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com


Just wondering what fellow golfers think of Daly addmitting
that he has a drinking problem.  I think it shows great 
courage on his part.  He pulled himself from the PGA.

I saw him play at Pebble Beach in the 1992 US Open. He 
didn't play well, but that course is tough on a long 
driver like him.

Greg

From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: changing lie of clubs
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:17:04 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 12-27-92 20:09

C > From: chapman@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu ()
C > Subject: changing the lie of clubs
C > 
C > I am concerned that at my address and impact positions my club head
C > has the toe slightly higher than the sole of the club.  That is,
C > the back end of the club head will hit turf before the rest of the sole
C > of the club.  Ideally, I would like the sole to lay flat against the 
C > ground surface at my current address and impact positions.  
C > 
C > I have standard length shafts and am 5' 9".  There are two ways to 
C > achieve the results I am after: (1) shorten the shafts and (2) change
C > the lie of my clubs.  Does anyone know if it is possible to change the
C > lie of ones clubs?  I have forged irons; can I just put them in a vice and
C > put a blow torch to them? 
C > 
C > Thanks,
C > Bill
C > 

I have spoken to golf pros and custom club makers about this topic in 
the past. All say the toe should be slghtly higher because the shaft 
will flex and the the higher toe position will drop at impact. Your 
best best is to check your divots.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: Regripping clubs - need advice
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:07:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <21DEC199212461445@reg.triumf.ca> brash@reg.triumf.ca (BRASH, ED) writes:
>In article <1h52ouINNfhn@agate.berkeley.edu>, templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin) writes...
>>Hello,
>> 
>>I've got a set of Hogan Edge Irons (2-PW, SW) and Taylor Made Tour
>>Preferred Metal Woods (1-3-5). I've had them for about 1.5 yrs and
>>have played alot of golf with them, so I feel like it's time to get
>>them regripped. (The grips are starting to get a "slick" feeling, too.)
>>Since I've never gotten a set of clubs regripped before, here are a
>>few questions:
>> 
>>Fred
>>-- 
>>---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>	Fred L. Templin
>>	(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)
>> 
>>---------------------------------------------------
Personally,  I like a full-cord grip.   In wet weather, I find that the
full-cord grips remain playable, even when damp.  During wet weather, there
is no difference.  I do not use a golf glove, and do not find that the cord
bother my hands at all, (which was my original  reluctance to go with cords
in the first place).

As for price, I find that local shops will usually have a sale once a year
or so, where full-cords installed are about $3, while normal price is about $5.

Ron
From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: Re: Golf courses around Salt Lake Cityoes
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
	<1992Dec30.175156.11945@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
Date: 31 Dec 92 10:49:23

James Waid writes:

   I am a grad student at O.U. and I'm starting my job search.  One place
   that is interested in me is located in Salt Lake City.  I've looked
   at some magazines about the area and all I can find is a single course.
   Park Meadows Golf Club was designed by Jack and is probably not the place
   for a weekend hacker like myself.  I want to know if anyone out there
   knows of any courses in the area that I wold like to play on if I move
   there.  Please e-mail me any.  Thanks in advance....

   jim

==================================================

Golf? In Salt Lake City?  You betcha, son.  There are a least
a dozen farmers and ranchers that set up a few holes in their
fields every summer.  Fees are damn reasonable too (can't call 
em 'greens fees'; its a little tough to get a good roll on 
alfalfa stubble).  And we always play 'lift and clean'. You'll 
see what I mean when you get here.

Or are you talking about that there sissy golf?  You know, what 
I mean: city boys in plaid pants and white shoes, riding around 
in funny little cars, swingin them jumbo clubs and making deals.
If that's what you mean, then we got our share of good pasture
land wasted on short grass.

By the way son, you got any religious leanings?

.
.
.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

The real answer is that the SLC area is loaded with
golf courses, and the greens fees are about as low as 
anywhere in the country ($12/18 on munis, but going
up a bit in 93).  There are 17 public courses in Salt 
Lake Valley, 3 in Park City (including Jeremy Ranch),
and another dozen or so within a 45 minute drive. 
About half of these are very nice courses.

However, the courses are only open about 8 or 9 months
a year, so you just have to suck it up an go skiing the
rest of the year.


Good luck,

jeff


feitctaj


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan)
Subject: New USGA Handicapping
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:57:57 GMT
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

I heard that USGA was instituting new Equity Stroke Control rules for '93.

My understanding of existing ESC:

     You are allowed to post X number of double bogeys, where X is
     your slope-adjusted index for that course (and X-18 number of
     triples if you're over 18).

My understanding of new ESC:

     For 9-18 indexes, you are allowed to take a 7 maximum on any
     hole.

Now this seems awfully strange, since 

- a 7 is only a double on a par 5 but a quadruple on a par 3

- the indexes are also bound to climb as players begin to post high numbers
  on par 3's.  So at least for a while players that haven't played many
  rounds under the new system will have relatively low indexes compared to
  those that have.

- I thought the idea of ESC was that an individual should not have their
  posted score be affected that much by any single hole.  Allowing players
  to post quads on par 3's seems contrary to that philosophy, no? If the
  only bad hole I had all day was a quadruple on a par 3, I would end
  up with a score 2 strokes higher than if the bad hole was a par 5...


Has anyone else heard about this new rule?

Regards,
Kurt 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: debfin@maths.tcd.ie (Debbie Finucane)
Subject: On which course is Purgatory
Keywords: On which course is Purgatory
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:31:21 GMT


Hi,
  I'm doing a quiz from one of the newspapers at home
and one of the questions I can't find an answer to is
"On which golf-course is Purgatory." I was wondering
if any of you could help me. Thanks,
                                   Debbie
                                   

-- 
   Do not use harmful words,but only helpful words, || Debbie Finucane
 the kind that build up and provide what is needed, ||(debfin@maths.tcd.ie)
 so that what you say will do good to those who     ||Trinity Collage Dublin,
 hear you.   <Ephesians 5.29>                       ||  Ireland.             
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: 2/2 Build A Spray Booth
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:00:08 -0600

>>>>CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE


>>Materials used:

  Duct tape ($2)               Four 2' x 4' wafer board sections ($16)
  8" ductwork ($8)             1" x 16" x 20" furnace filter     ($. 70)
  10" to  8" flashing ($7)     Switchbox, switches ($4)
  Wood glue                    Surface mount box for light ($6)
  Sheet metal, wood screws     12" Ventilation fan ($45)
  25' 3-cond. exten. cord ($6)

 Total cost is about $95 (U.S.)



>>USER BEWARE!  I OFFER THESE HINTS AS IS.  I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR
ANY DAMAGE YOU MAY CAUSE USING THEM.


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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: golf shoes
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:45:08 GMT

kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>Golf shoes are only useful when it is wet outside.  

IMHO golf shoes are necessary both in wet conditions and in dry conditions.
Often your feet will slip worse in dry conditions on near-bare ground than
in wet conditions, where at least you expect it.

Still, the most important use for golf shoes is to make sure that your
feet stay dry so you can enjoy those early-morning rounds with the
heavy dew (or frost) still on the ground.  Also so that you can get out
and play your favorite course without anyone in front of you in a light
rain...  but, to each his/her own.

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*     Software Kinetics Ltd.     *  or maceache@hawk.nstn.ns.ca   *
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From: sullivan@manitoba.aruba.UUCP (Jim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: good, cheap oversized drivers?
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:02:18 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <BzEnnu.5H3@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
|> In article <7169@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500sky@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Frank Sky) writes:
|> >Can anyone suggest to me a good quality oversized
|> >driver for less than $100?
|> >
|> There are lots of these.  At most club builders, they cost about
|> $85-$99.  MIne has a red firestick shaft in it, and looks just like the
|> Bertha, except it is not as shiny.  Every city has such a shoppe.
|> 
|> Have a nice holidays.
|> 
|> =====================================================================
|> Thomas J. Scott  (aka Dr. J.)			Phone: 309-298-1452
|> Western Illinois University			mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu


I built an oversized driver with a Bertha-Type head, Aldila Graphite shaft,
half-corded grip for < $80 incl. shipping.  I ordered the pieces from Dynacraft,
in OH, and had a clubmaker put it together for me for $5.  It plays just as well
as the Bertha, which costs ~$225.  The head is called a BFC (maybe for Big 
Fu---n Club 8^), and cost $27. The shaft was an HM-35 (Stiff), costing $32. I
don't have Dynacraft's number here, but if you can't find it, e-mail me.

Good Luck!

                     Jim


-- 
Jim Sullivan				E-Mail:  sullivan@opl.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: umteghts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (david teghtsoonian)
Subject: Recommendations of golf courses in Orlando area
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:04:26 GMT


I will be traveling to Orlando during the third week of January
1993.  I am interested in taking in some golf while I am there.
If anyone can provide me with recommendations as to which courses
I should try, it would be appreciated. (I am relatively new to the
game.)

Thanks in advance,
Dave
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