HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Why execute spies?
Summary: Pollard
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:18:44 GMT


From saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)




From saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)

In article <1992Jul29.130421.22738@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> crowl@jade.cs.orst.edu (Lawrence Crowl) writes:
>
>From crowl@jade.cs.orst.edu (Lawrence Crowl)
>
>I am under the impression that execution of spies generally only occurs in
>war.  (After all, no one is dying.)  During peace, opposing parties generally
>trade captured spies.
>
It seems unfortunate that when a nominal ally employs the spy (and it really
does happen all the time), trading captured spies isn't considered practical.

                                       Steve    saj@chinet.chi.il.us

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:32:47 GMT


From viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)


From viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)

>From barroux@licancabur.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Carlos Barroux - CS Eng. - Latin America)

> Aren't those uranium oxides somewhat chemically toxic?

	As of late 1987, you could still purchase orange plates (yech!) at
K-mart that has uranium oxide as the coloring agent in the ceramic.  I
don't know if it was enamel paint, mixed with the clay, or what, but it
was uranium oxide and it was hot enough to detect over background levels.
It was also insignificant as a hazard, at least from a radiological point
of view.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >





Newsgroups: sci.military
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:23:00 GMT


From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)

In article <Bsw0uC.Mq0@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> ulowell!usl.edu!jab0684@samsung.com (Boudreaux Jean A) writes:

>On the topic of DU, I seem to recall a CNN report some time ago during
>desert storm.  This report showed video of US soldiers painting a
>radiation hazard symbol on a disabled M1 tank. The commentator said that
>this was due to the radioactive DU rounds contained on board.
>Perhaps the brass feels the advantage of DU outweighs any potential
>exposure threat(if any)?

Well, this makes me wonder whether tankers wear lead underpants 8-)

Uranium of any sort in a civilian setting is considered a radiation 
hazard, I think. Someone discovered a spent fuel rod in the depart-
ment's basement in a lead box and the environmental health and safe-
ty people came over and padlocked the whole area. The janitors were 
in an uproar because they used to take coffee breaks down there.

PS. I have these great little cards DOE was giving out years ago. It
had a (simulated) uranium pellet in a little plastic blister pack up 
on one corner with words about how much energy that little pellet 
would produce (eg. the same as 23,000 tons of coal, 16,000,000 bar-
rels of oil..)... It was fun showing them to friends with your thumb
over the word "simulated"....




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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)
Subject: Re: Quantas and Inf Insignia
Keywords: Quantas, Insignia
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:23:16 GMT


From justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)




From justin@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Justin Ridge)

wadley@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steven Wadley) writes:


>First-- The Quantas airliner warning was a classic military SNAFU.

Its QANTAS.  (the QANT standing for Queensland and Northern Territory)
I agree with the rest though.  Australian ships were also over near Hawaii
for RIMPAC exercises at the time.
JR
--

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: unx.sas.com!sasdvp@concert.net (David V. Phillips)
Subject: Re: Interesting Sub Item
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:35:57 GMT


From unx.sas.com!sasdvp@concert.net (David V. Phillips)


[ If you don't want to read a post that doesn't have references to
back up assertions, hit 'n' now! ]

jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart) writes:

>From jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart)

>	My Dad served aboard the USS Snook (Skipjack class SSN).  He told me
>that the fastest the sub went was 30 knots on trials, but they never took it
>over 24 knots after that.  The problem is that the propeller shaft would 
>twist up to 1.5 times ahead of the screw rotation.  In other words, the 
>propeller was turning up to 1.5 revolutions *later* than the shaft.  Sailing
>at 25+ knots could "wring" the propeller right off the shaft the same way
>a farmer wrings a chickens neck!  He also told me that another submarine,
>whos name I've forgotten, actually did wring the propeller, and had to be
>tugged back to harbor.  This is only a problem with nuclear boats I would
>imagine, since conventional boat's propellers won't need to turn as
>fast.

In one of the US Navy schools I attended a long time ago, we were told
that the shafts of an aircraft carrier would build up 2.5 twists at
flank speed.  Since a carrier routinely must go to flank speed for
flight operations, the torsion in a propeller shaft is not that big a
deal.  Furthermore, the propellors are not simply pressed onto the
shaft, but are fairly strongly attached ( it probably varies with the
shaft horsepower )  I am very skeptical that a screw could be 'wrung
off' a shaft.

Finally, I cannot fathom why a conventional ship doesn't need to turn
its screw as fast as a nuke...a nuke ship is simply a steam turbine
propulsion vessel that uses a nuclear power plant to create the steam.

For example, the Kennedy vs. the Enterprise....they are both about the
same size and let's assume they have the same size/pitch screws.  To
get 30 knots, both vessels would need to turn their screws at the same
speed.
--
David Phillips         sasdvp@unx.sas.com
sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug    -- dire straits



Newsgroups: sci.military
From: gawne@stsci.edu
Subject: Need WWMCSS connectivity info
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:35:43 GMT


From gawne@stsci.edu


From gawne@stsci.edu

Hi all, I'm back.

I was wondering if any of you experts on computer interconnectivity out
there might be able to help with this one.

The US Armed Forces has a computer network it calls WWMCSS (World Wide 
Military Communications Support System -- I think).  Using it, it looks
like it is basically an internet system that is also capable of accessing
the Marine Corps' Banyan WAN.  

Since I have a Banyan account at Quantico VA and an internet account in
Baltimore -- and I'd occassionally like to log onto one whilst I'm at the
other -- this WWMCSS looked like just the thing.  

If anybody can pass along detailed info about how I can make this happen,
I'd sure appreciate it.

Bill Gawne, Space Telescope Science Institute
GySgt USMCR

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Phalanx Ammo [was Re: Tracers]
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:23:08 GMT


From andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)




From andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)

In article <1992Jul30.124034.16866@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Michael Chui <mchui@tope.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>	Can anyone confirm a US decision to switch to tungsten from
>depleted Uranium?  Reason cited: environmental effects - aka health
>risks from machining the rounds.

It's my understanding that there is/was some interest in other
materials for a mission-related reason.  Apparently projectiles going
"fast enough" don't lose velocity as fast as slower projectiles.  The
guns involved just can't generate the required velocity with heavy
projectiles.  (It's a bit more complicated than that.)  So, by
switching to a lighter projectile with appropriate characteristics,
they get much greater effective range even if there is a "up close"
advantage to the DU rounds.  The value of this switch depends on the
mission.

-andy
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: urf@sw2001.ki.icl.se (Urban Fredriksson)
Subject: Gripen missiles
Organization: None. I speak only for myself.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:35:50 GMT


From urf@sw2001.ki.icl.se (Urban Fredriksson)


It is not really a big hurry with the alternatives for a radar
AAM for Gripen, as the first ones in service will replace attack
and recce Viggen, so that the missile doesn't exist yet is no
real hinder:

* AMRAAM, in production, lots of strings attached
* MICA, in developement
* Active Skyflash, not yet decided on

To develop one on our own would have been tempting, but it's too
expensive. Even the US Navy cancelled its AAAM, and our proposed Rb 73
would have had performance significantly superiour to it.

To co-develop an Active Skyflash would be a logical extension on
the Advanced Skyflash we already have. But it badly needs an IR
version as well (note that development of such a seeker has been
ordered for Sparrows!).

MICA is what I probably would choose: It exists in an IR-guided
version, and it has trust vectoring.

Note: It also needs a short-range missile! There's nothing really
wrong with AIM-9L:s for self-defence, but their performance is
rather underwhelming compared to what the aircraft can do. As
RAF _has_ ordered a small number of AIM-132 ASRAAM:s (in spite
of neither Germany nor USA doing so, in spite of beeing partners
in the project from the beginning) it should be available in the
right time-frame.


NEWS FLASH (sort of): The German defence minister has visited
Sweden, and instead of us selling JAS 39C to Germany, both him
and our prime minister seems to think that never ordering a third
batch (141- ) of Gripens, but instead for Sweden to join in a new
European fighter project would be a good idea. And all EFA partners,
excepting UK, seems to seriously considering F/A-18:s instead of
that project.
-- 
 Urban Fredriksson    urf@icl.se 
 Stockholm, Sweden    (Or: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Autofocus and the Stealth
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:10:53 GMT
Full-Name: News Service


From lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)

In article <BtAJDu.Cuz@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, John Tucker <john@phobos.sscl.uwo.ca> writes:
>I work in a photo lab and have recently processed a bunch of airshow
>pictures which were taken of the Stealth F/B. 
>
>I know that they were taken using a garden variety compact autofocus
>camera, and the pictures came out crystal clear in focus.
>
>Given the Stealth's "stealth", how come a commercial autofocus system
>can "lock-on" for a sharp picture?

Anything more than 15 or 20 feet away is, for photography purposes, at
infinity.  The camera does not need to detect far-away objects; it just
focuses for infinity if it doesn't detect anything nearby.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: jvz@pt.com (John Zambito)
Subject: plane maintenance
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:18:26 GMT


From jvz@pt.com (John Zambito)




From jvz@pt.com (John Zambito)

I remember reading that of the 18 F-111s that left England,
only 11 entered Lybia. The article said this was due to 
various system failures on the 7 that didn't continue on 
the mission. It went on to say that the maintenance schedule
for the F-111 is 8 hrs of maintenance for 2 hours of flying. 
My memory is worse than my spelling so this may be way off. 
Could somebody enlighten me on the maintenance performed on
these and other fighters?

-- 
__
John Zambito, Performance Technologies Incorporated	jvz@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620    uupsi!ptsys1!jvz

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: fanny.wash.inmet.com!dlb@inmet.camb.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: WASP (Request for Information)
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:22:24 GMT


From fanny.wash.inmet.com!dlb@inmet.camb.inmet.com (David Barton)

Some time ago, I posted a request for more information on the Williams
Aerial Survey Platform (WASP), in the thread on "rocket belts".  I
heard nothing, so I am reposting.

The only thing I have on this is a publicity package about fifteen
years old.  This is a platform with a turbojet and a big fuel tank
(most of the weight was fuel).  The controls were simple --- mainly a
throttle.  Steering was done by the balance of the flier.

Has anyone heard anything about this clever gadget?  Was it abandoned?
Was a study ever done?  What were the results?

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)
Subject: Allied intelligence against Germany WW2
Followup-To: sci.military
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:54 GMT


From charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)




From charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)


I am writing a paper for University on the role Allied intelligence played in the defeat of Germany during w.w.two. If anyone has any information;data;views or can direct me towards info;data; books could you please email me at:
	charlie@deakin.OZ.AU
Posting to the news is fine, as I can just download articles.

The actual question is:
	"How important was intelligence in defeating Nazi Germany ?"
Anything will do - it can't hurt !    Thanks,  charlie.

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Fly-by-wire and delta wing fighter revival?
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:35:35 GMT


From bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au

In article <BszL4J.F9q@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, "tzung-i.lin" <tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com> writes:
>
> From "tzung-i.lin" <tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I recall that from an article on International Defense Review some
> year ago discussing Mirage 2000, the author claimed that delta wing
> fighter is revived by using Fly-By-Wire flight control system,
> something to delta-wing's disadvantage can be avoided by using
> FBW.
>
> Can someone explain or confirm or deny this?  I really appreciate it.

        I'm no aeronautical engineer, but...

        One advantage of a delta wing is it's straight line speed (and
conversely, it's turning performance is somewhat lacking). A FBW system
in itself isn't going to make that much of a difference to the inherrant
properties of a delta wing. There is obviously some addition to the wing
which effects the airflow over it, improving it's turning performance
(like the computer controlled leading and trailing wing edges on the
F-16, which destabilise it in level flight, but by doing so improve it's
maneuverability considerably).

        Another variation of this theme are the SAAB VIGGEN and GRIPEN.
They use a delta wing, but with delta canards above and in front of
the main wing. The spiralling vortexes generated by the canards wash over
the main wing, re-energising the airflow over it and enhance turning
performance. Conventional delta wings also tend to have higher take off
and landing speeds (with matching runway requirements),  yet the Viggen
and Gripen are STOL aircraft which can operate from unpaved airstrips.


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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: "CINCLANTFLT PAO" <CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil>
Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 14 Aug 92
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:17:58 GMT


From "CINCLANTFLT PAO" <CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil>

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Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Re: EVENT: Munich Showing of Virtual Art Museum, Sept 10-11, 1992
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:45:44 GMT



REVISION
 
Announcing the What: Networked Virtual Art Museum Technical
Demonstration, to be conducted at ~Expedition 92: Launching New Worlds
of Learning,~ Munich, Germany,. September 10-11, 1992
 
The ~Networked Virtual Art Museum~ is a project directed by Carl
Loeffler, Research Fellow, at the Studio for Creative Inquiry, College
of Fine Arts, CMU. The pioneering project investigates
telecommunications and virtual reality, and provides a basis for
multiple users located in distant geographical locations to be
conjoined in the same virtual, immersion environment.  The project
employs telecommunication hardware, as well as the hardware associated
with virtual reality: data eyephones and multi-directional navigation
devices.
 
The immersion environment is an art museum, which contains galleries
offering exhibitions.  The exhibition presented for the Munich
demonstration is conceived by Director Carl Loeffler and is titled
~Fun House.~ While based on the traditional concept of the fun house,
the exhibition features advanced programming concepts such as agents
with Artificial Intelligence, mirrors offering reflections, and a game
room which explores gravity and other aspects of physics illustrated
by thrown objects.
 
Considered as a whole, the project is on the advancing edge of
telecommunications thru the exploration of immersion environments,
networked over long distance, while supporting multiple users. The use
of agents, and the articulation of physics and other details like
reflective mirrors , places the project at the forefront of the design
of virtual worlds.
 
The Networked Virtual Art Museum utilizes the WorldToolKit, a virtual
world development software, available from Sense8 Corporation.  The
Virtual Research head mounted display, and the Ascension Technology
6-D mouse (The Bird), and 486/50 compatible with DVI and MIDI comprise
the basic system hardware.
 
The first public demonstration of the project will take place September
10-11, in conjunction with ~Expedition 92: Launching New Worlds of
Learning,~ held in Munich, Germany., under the auspices of UNESCO  and
the Commission of the European Community.  ~Expedition 92~ conducts two
days of keynote addresses, workshops, and technical demonstrations.
Select participants include: Michael Eisner, Manager, Disney World;
 Myron Krueger, Producer, Artifical Reality; Kevin McGee, MIT Media
Lab; Siegmund Prillwitz, Director, Institute for Sign Language;
Kristina Hooper Woolsey, Director, MultiMedia Lab, Apple Computer;
among many others.
 
For information contact:
Carl Eugene Loeffler
Project Director
Telecommunications and Virtual Reality
Studio for Creative Inquiry
College of Fine Arts
Carnegie Mellon University
Tel: (412) 268-3452
FAX: (412) 268-2829
From: marina@tk.mainet.msk.su (Naumenko M.V.)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: INDUSTRY REQUEST: To anyone who is interested in Russian science
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:14:08 GMT
Organization: Moscow Aviation Institute, PDTK
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu



We apply   to everybody  who  is   interested in future  Russian
science; who would like to assist it to integrate  in  the World
science society.

We  need  information  about Foundations and other organizations
those   are   interested   in    attraction    russian   science
organizations into a science research but also about  conditions
of participation russian  scientists  in  this projects. Besides
we would like to know about questions of finance.

We  hope on   establishment of  interaction  and  development of
international cooperation.

        Best regards.

                    M. Naumenko
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
From: bluefire@well.sf.ca.us <Bob Jacobson>
Subject: TECH: 3D modeling software: Has it been benchmarked anywhere?
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:58:01 GMT



I am preparing to order 3D modeling software for our studio library.
This is stuff that will be used to generate 3D models for later
expression in a virtual environment.

So far the options I know about include packages from Dimension,
Straylight, Sense8, VPL, Alias, Wavefront, and a couple homebrew
systems.  There may be others also worthy of investigation.

Has anyone benchmarked these or read of an article that reported on
them?  I know standards are arbitrary at this stage, quite subjec-
tive based on the modeler's style, but any information would be useful
given the need to constrain purchases on one ground or another.

Although I'd prefer knowledge obtained through some sort of third-
party testing, I would welcome manufacturer's performance specs and
comparisons, too.

Thanks for your help!

Bob Jacobson
WORLDESIGN, Inc.

PS You can fax articles to me directly at +1-206-782-8630 if you
have them!  Extra special thanks.  :-)