From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: computer terminology in Greek
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:35:49 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:



>schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
>>santas@inf.ethz.ch (Philip Santas) writes:
>>>schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Ti ennoeis na apodidoyn to idio nohma? Milame gia oroys oi opoioi apodidoyn
>>>>ena kainoyrio nohma, kati poy den yphrxe prin 40 xronia. Ara einai kataskeyasmenoi
>>>>oroi. Giati ua prepei ayth h kataskeyh na epanalhfuei estv se allh glvssa? Ua
>>>>toys kanei pio katanohtoys?
>>
>>>Yparxei estw kai mia le3n se opoia6hpote glwssa, pou 6ev eivai kataskeuasmevn?
>>>Apo tov ouravo mas pesave, h fytrwsave moves tous? Otav o Agglos leei
>>>car/bus kai o Ellnvas autokhvnto/lewforeio, yphrxav autes oi le3eis priv
>>>emfavistouv ta prwta ama3ia/lewforeia? Se poia keimeva? Ka mia kai ta
>>>lewforeia 6ev eivai ellnvikh efeuresn, 8a pei oti metafrasame sta ellnvika
>>>kapoiov 3evo oro: e, auto kavoume kai e6w.
>>
>>dictionary-> bus
>>    [short for omnibus]
>>dictionary-> omnibus
>>    [F, fr. L, for all, dat. pl. of omnis all]
>>
>>Oi lejeis mporei na einai kataskeyasmenes alla toylaxiston gia to levforeio
>>fainetai poly akribhs metafrash. Oso gia thn agglikh lejh kai stis dyo
>>periprvseis mporoyme na broyme thn arxh toys merikes xiliades xronia pisv.

>Dhla6h kaveis 6iakriseis meta3y le3ewv pou 6nmiourgh8nkav priv merika
>xrovia, kai le3ewv pou 6nmiourgh8nkav priv merikes meres?

>Oso pio palia n le3n, toso pio kalh? Krasi eivai? H 3u6i?
>Oxi tetoia epixeirhmata parakalw.

Oxi, anaferomoyn sto oti h metafrash einai akribhs. Kai den htan akribvs 
kataskeyasmenes.

>>Alla to problhma moy den einai ayto. An kapoios oros xrhsimopoieitai apo
>>polloys anurvpoys kai gia poly xroniko diasthma ginetai fysikos, eisagetai
>>sthn glvssa. Den nomizv oti mporei na ginei ayto se mia perioxh me tetoia
>>taxythta ejelijhs h opoia ligo poly exei mia koinh glvssa (agglikh katagvghs)
>>se pagkosmio epipedo. An mia texnikh metafrash enos oroy den einai akribhs
>>einai gia mena axrhsth. An dhmioyrgei asafeies einai axrhsth.

>Av xrnsimopoieietai kai metaferei ta snmaivomeva eivai poly xrhsimn.
>Ti evvoeis me "akribh" metafrasn?

Den metaferei to idio periexomeno kai den dhmioyrgei toys idioys syneirmoys
poy fernoyn sto myalo mia apoch toy fainomenoy/antikeimenoy/diadikasias to
opoio orizei.

>Pws metafrazeis "to be or not to be" sta ellnvika? Dnla6h prepei va 
>xrnsimopoioume movo oti yparxei sto prwtotypo?

Oxi, alla o mesos "episthmonas plhroforikhs", afoy to protimas, den 
einai akribos eidikos metafrasths. Ki oso gia epitropes ki istories
den nomizv oti an baleis 10 asxetoys exeis kalytera apotelesmata.
Aytos poy ua metafrasei ton oro prepei na einai gnvsths ths shmasias
toy, ths istorias toy kai na exei to talento gia mia petyxhmenh metafrash.

>>> Dnla6h 8a leme
>>>"phga me to bus stnv Omoveia" epei6h 6ev prepei va kataskeuazoume le3eis?
>>>Kai pws 8a milagame? Me vohmata? Periergo epixeirnma...
>>
>>Poses lejeis mporeis na metafrazeis petyxhmena kaue xrono?

>Poses le3eis xrnsimopoieis petyxnmeva se ka8e paragrafo?

Syggnvmh?

>>>>>   Compiler = Metaglwtisths
>>
>>Sthn Krhth to onoma toy mauhmatos htan: Glvsses kai Metafrastes.
>>Bebaia, metafrasths kai metaglvtisths einai mallon to idio pragma.

>Oxi. Ka8olou to i6io.
>Oso afora tnv plnroforikh:

>Compiler = Metaglwtisths
>Interpreter = Metafrasths.

Oxi, den einai etsi. Oi metafraseis poy eixame htan:

Compiler = Metafrasths
Interpreter = Diermhneyths

Phres mia idea ths sygxyshs gia thn opoia milav. 

>>Alla h anapodh metafrash poy ua ekana einai translator to opoio einai
>>kati allo apo ton compiler. H diadikasia den einai aplvs metafrash
>>alla kai synenvsh diaforetikvn kommativn se mia ontothta. Ayto akribvs
>>xanetai sthn ellhnikh metafrash. Koita to akribes nohma ths lejhs.
>>
>> com.pile vt  \k*m-'pi(*)l\
>>      1 : to collect into a volume
>>      2 : to compose out of materials from other documents

>Kai pou faivetai o _akribhs_ orismos estw tou "Compile C" apo tov parapavw
>_geviko_ orismo?

Den katalaba ti ennoeis. An ennoeis ti moy deixnei h frash "compile C"
apo thn frash "metaglvtisa/metafrasa C" einai akribvs ayto poy lev.
Uymhsoy ta header files kaneis include se ena C source file. Alla
uymhsoy kai thn epanaxrhsimopoihsh kvdika kauvs kobeis kai rabeis 
palia soy programmata gia na ftiajeis to kainoyrio.

>Koita, mpaivoume se loukia twra, pou eivai pera apo tnv ei6ikotnta mas.

>Ta epixeirhmata peri akribeias/symbatotntas/para6osns eivai _avtikeimevika_ 
>_keva_ kai kata tn gvwmn mou _asxeta_.

>To movo epixeirnma pou stekei eivai auto tns xrhsns/xrnsimotntas: e6w movo 
>o xrovos 8a 6i3ei. Apo tnv pleura mou ev8arryvw prospa8eies metaforas twv 
>orwv sta ellnvika, gia tn 6nmiourgia mias _ellnvikhs_ ypo6omhs se auto to 8ema,
>kai sto va givouv autes oi evvoies pio prosites sto eury mn-agglofwvo 
>ellnviko koivo. Esy mporeis va exeis 6iaforetikh apopsn kai va les
>to para8uro "window" kai tnv Plnroforikh Computer Science mesa se ellnvikes
>fraseis. Tzazepsame!

Opvs soy eipa telika den mporv na to apofygv. Einai toso polloi oi oroi
poy apokleietai pote na einai praktikh h metafrash toys. Ara env einai
alhueia oti to krithrio toy Rizoy sxetika me to poso diadedomenoi einai
moy fainetai svsto, den me bohuaei. Ki afoy prokeitai gia thn pleiochfia
tvn orvn poy xrhsimopoiv na mhn toys metafrazv, den exei kai poly shmasia
gia mena to ti ginetai me thn meiochfia.


Alhueia, pvs metafrazeis to "multimedia"?

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