Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:59:11 MST
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Nntp-Posting-User: ohall

In article <1992Dec15.195317.26331@microsoft.com>, johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
> In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> | In article johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
> | > In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> 
> | > As far as the
> | > current situation of blacks in the US as an indication of how bad
> | > slavery was, would you rather be from the US, from Haiti, or from
> | > Uganda?  Blacks may be second class citizens here, but there isn't
> | > a country where they have it better.
> | 
> |   Oh that's a good reason for blacks to put up with the mess in the U.S. that 
> |   we put up with because if we lived in Haiti things would be worse.  The
> 
> No, that isn't an excuse to put up with what blacks put up here.
> That was not my point.  You specifically pointed to the current
> situation as evidence of brutality, in a conversation that began
> with comparitive brutality.  The fact that other places are far
> worse either points to greater brutality there, less brutality
> here, or a refutation of your line of arguement linking current
> conditions with historical brutality -- take your pick.
>
  Your creative writing is to be commended, yet not decieving.
  I didn't live in the slave era to acutally know and experience the brutality
  that occured at that time.  My point was it is obvious blacks were'nt brought
  to this nation out of some kind of love for the people.  This is obvious in
  the way blacks have and are being treated in this nation.  Did you
  see my posting on the brutality my parents experienced by the cops????  This,
  IMO, is an evidence of brutality today in the U.S.A. 
  Big deal if there is more brutality in hell than on earth.  Where are we now?

> |   I want the same rights and privlidges that 
> |   every other U.S. citizen is entitled to in this system.  
> 
> You should have them, too.

  But I don't!!!  Not really.  I know the sign said so but the sign lied.

> 
> |   In addition, the wealth and success of this nation may 
> |   indicate how good of slaves the blacks were in the U.S. 
> 
> All the wealth derived from slavery in the US was wiped out
> in the Civil War, plus some.  The Jim Crow laws hurt total
> american wealth, they didn't increase it.
>
  Are you speaking of financial wealth.  Well guess who was getting educated
  while black slaves were plowing fields and laboring?  Without those slaves
  Master would not have had the time to spend buying and selling goods and
  educating himself and his family.  Weren't there banks in those days? 
  Certainly some of that wealth was distributed throughout the nation.
  After the civil war the education was still in masters mind, and not in the 
  slaves. 
> |   I guess the truth has yet to be revealed since both of our quotes vary so 
> |   widely.  
> 
> I think they are both reasonably accurate -- I just think your
> author is talking about something a little different.
> 
> | 
> |   What nations, and for how long?  Example please!!!  Enlighten me.
> 
> Enuchs were used by the Chinese as late as the early 20th century.
> I believe the sultans were using them until well into the late
> 19th century but I don't know.
> 
  Aren't enuchs used to watch female virgins or something?  This is more of
  a cultural practice rather than slavery.

> The history of castration isn't something I intend to research.
> Let Dworkin do it.
> 
  I don't intend to research it either or practice it.  It is against my
  religion.
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