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Subject: Telugu Culture Net Digest 40
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:50:15 EDT
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World Telugu People Network Fri, 14 Aug 92       Volume 1 : Issue  40 

Today's Topics:

      "Andhra Prabha"  weekly
      Discussing Hindu Marriages
      Ennava maata...
      Jaya jaya jaya - song
      Last Names
      Lastnames, telugu script and Kanyasulkam
      Madhuravani's Centenary !!!!
      Paata
      Perulu and chuttalu
      Poems
      Telugu grammar
      Unique telugu words
      Wanted list of Telugu Literature Books and Author names.

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:16:54 -0700
From: vemagant@nas.nasa.gov (Dr. Gururaja R. Vemaganti)
Subject: "Andhra Prabha"  weekly
        The article on "Andhra Prabha" weekly was informative.  I
request the readers on the telugu net to post the information
(if they know it, of course) regarding different telugu magazines
available in the U.S. i.e., their addresses, their annual subscription
and also whether they are delivered on a regular basis.  I  heard
that some telugu newspapers (like "Eenadu" and "Udayam") are also 
available in America. I along with several other fellow readers appreciate
if somebody could post relevant information.  Thanks in advance.
                          -Gururaja Rao Vemaganti

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:49 EDT
From: yp@alux2.att.com
Subject: Discussing Hindu Marriages

I would like to see opinions, thoughts and/or discussions about
the following topics related to Hindu Marriages:
 
 
1. How many of you got married  (or know of people who got married)
   in the traditional Hindu ceremony without bothering
   about a) Horoscopes b) Gothram etc..
 
2. The Muhurthams for the weddings that I came across in Andhra Pradesh
   are usually like: 2:38pm or 11:34am etc. I wonder how such PRECISE
   times are arrived at?? Even if one were to assume that these are really
   the times that are auspicious for the couple getting married, whose
   Watch are we to follow? The priest's or the Bride' or the Bridegroom's??
 
At my wedding, I remember, the priest asked ME if it was time for the
muhurtham. So, if my watch were slow or fast or if I  had forgotten to
subtract the 15 minutes (which I had set my watch to be ahead  of the
correct time)
-- my marriage would have been a disaster!!! (Yeah Right!!)
 
 
Yashodhar Punati

PS: It would also be interesting to learn of the various subtlities
    in marriages from region to region and community to community.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:48:15 MDT
From: ramap@spatial.com (Rama K Pidaparti)
Subject: Ennava maata...

> Subject: `Ennava' Maata

> `ennava' anae shabdamu, migatha bharatiya bHasHalalo kudaa,
> laedhani naa abhiprayamu.  Naaku, kaastha Malayalamu, Tamilamu,
> vachchu.  Hindi , baaga vachchu.   Hindi lo `kaun sa beta hai thoo'
> ani antaaru.  kaani `ennava' ani maata ki equivalent ekkada laedhu ?!

Mr.Prasad(JUBV) says there are equivalents in Kannada and Tamil and here
they are(his email to me)(thought I can share them with others):

***

The translation for Ennava in Tamil is, I think, Ethannavadu.
In Kannada, it is 'Estane'.

JUBV Prasad

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> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

> `aeluko' (maama nannu aelukora' anae avadhanam prashna avaro ....)
   ^^^^^^

What you are referring to is 'figurative'((?) I guess.  'aeluko' OR 'aeluta'
means to RULE in English.  Wonder if 'aeluko' is a unique word.

Ramakrishna.
--

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:29:49 PDT
From: cimshop!SITAB%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Jaya jaya jaya - song

JAYA JAYA JAYA PRIYA BHARATA JANAYITRI, DIVYA DHHAATRI
JAYA JAYA JAYA SATA SAHASRA NARA NAARI HRUDAYA NETRI..
The above song was written by Sri ViswanAdha SatyanArAyana gAru.
It's in sanskrit. He used the sanskrit language hoping that all Indians will
love it and learn it.
Sita BhArathAla

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:01:17 mdt
From: Akula  Jayaram <jayu@file02.ecgf.uakron.edu>
Subject: Last Names
     There is a famous saying which goes like this
 
        " Panileni Mangali pilli tala goriga danta...'

     Looks like many participants are deeply involved in the so called
     'name/ last name war..'

     some are digging into history..
     some are going in for logical deductions...
     some people have their own formulas  
              ( 1/4 mother's name 1/4 father's name
                1/4 mother's parent's name and rest father's parent's name)..

          ofcourse this is only one example...there lotta combinations etc..

     evari ishtam vachinattu vallu perlu pettunkondayaa...
            who cares !!!

     u want me to suggest some pleasant names...

              1. Dingutaka gunta 
              2. Chimpiri Raja
              3. Sannasi Bava
              4. Tannuku chavandi..
              5. Dushata cheshuta yeshutasha ( Mayabazar )

      ila chala unnayi...( all are patented )...so if interested 
      plagiarize freely....

      perulo emundhi. Aahlada karamaina Ae peraina manchide...
              indhulo desanni udharinche di em ledu...

           Aadarshavaadulu Zindabad......mee kandariki namonamaha!!

                                          kiri kiri raja

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Date: 13 Aug 1992 18:10:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: VPRASAD@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Subject: Lastnames, telugu script and Kanyasulkam

From: anisetti@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Vijay Kumar Anisetti)

>Another question is, can people with the same surname but who are entirely
>unknown or unrelated(via any obvious means) marry?

	This is kind of impossible to happen, so this problem had never needed
	to be addressed at all - until the modern times that is. You see, most
	of the surnames are usually the names of the places the ancestors had
	originally come from. So, if two people share the same surname, then 
	they must belong to the same gothram (if the people practised gothram 
	nomenclature). I would be extremely surprised if 2 people share the
	same surname but belong to different gothrams!

	The other possibility is that the two people belong to two DIFFERENT
	CASTES and thus may share the same surname. (The ancestors must have
	belonged to the same village eons before).

	In either case, it seems pretty obvious that marriage is prohibited;
	if the second is the case with our hypothetical couple, in modern times
	there is no objection (and should not be there either, on solely this
	count) for the marriage.

	In a few castes, they do not follow any gothram system. But two people
	who share the same surname and same caste, even though they are NOT
	related as far as they know, there is an indication that they must have
	a common ancestor (patrilineally speaking) and thus marriage is quite
	a no-no. 

	A few last names are very representative of the caste they belong to.
	for example, many vysyas I have seen have an ending of "setti" for
	their last names, many kshatriyas have "raju" in the last names. Note
	that a few Brahmin families too have "raju" in their last names - 
	for example, that of a frequent contributor to this net, seetamraju.
	I can almost confidently say that he must be a "niyogi" brahmin based
	on this information. A section of Brahmins opted out of study of vedas
	and choose instead to assist the kings in political matters; quite a
	few of such people served as ministers in the courts of many kings.
	Henceforth they were known as "niyogi"s (meaning, "employed"). Some
	retained their traditional occupation of the study of vedas, and were
	henceforth known as "vaidika" brahmins.

	I will stop here.
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From: SARADHI%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>I doubt, whether there is any other language with such a
>   sophisticated script. (Just imagine how you would pronounce 'would'
>   in English; and how you write 'karyakram' in Hindi).

	Actually, I have a slight disagreement here. When you write the
	word "kaaryakramam" in Telugu, we write the full word of "ra"
	and give the vaththu of "ya"; but while pronouncing it, we only
	half pronounce the "ra" sound but full "ya" sound. But in Hindi,
	there is a half "ra" but a full "ya", symmetrical with the actual
	pronunciation of the word. So, I feel, Hindi script is closer to 
	phonetic pronunciation than Telugu.

>   Kanya Sulkham, is a drama written by none other than our greatest
>   visionary, poet, 'yuga kartha' - Gurajada. Telugu Literature will be
>   nothing - if no reference ever made to Gurajada!
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	That reminds me of an editorial piece in "EENAADU" daily newspaper
	a few years back. In that article, the author argues that we Telugus
	are so woefully lacking in literary masterpieces, that to date, there
	is nothing other than Gurajada's Kanya sulkam natakam to make frequent
	references to, with the possible exception of Mahaprasthaanam by Sri
	Sri. Note that the operative word here is "masterpiece". And guess
	what, I actually agree with the author. So far, all the quotes like
	"daamit, katha addam thirigindi", "annee mana vEdaalalO unnayisha"
	vagaira, are all from Kanyasulkam. I guess if one wants to, one can 
	quote any other literary giant, but the truly popular quotes, to say 
	in Telugu, janaala nOLLaLLO naaninavi, all are from the same piece. 
	So in a quite different sense than what Saradhi garu intended, indeed
	"Telugu literature will be nothing if no references were to be ever 
	made to Gurajaada"!!

	Anyway, here is one great poem from the master dramatist of Telugu:

		khagapathi amruthamau thEgaa,
		bura bura mani pongi chukka bhoomini vraalen,
		poga chettai janminchen,
		poga thaagani vaadu dunnapOthai puttun
	 	
	That was entirely from memory, so corrections are most welcome. Also,
	if there are any people who are more knowledgeable than me, please
	tell me which type of padyam is this, that is, is it kandam?
	aataveladi?  thEta geeti?

	Siva Prasad.				vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:00:29 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  14-Aug-1992 0910 <madhu@qcav02.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Madhuravani's Centenary !!!!

From: Capt Madhu <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>

Sub: Madhuravani's Centenary Celebrations. (KANYASULKAM)

13 Aug 1892 is our Madhuravani's birthday !
13 Aug 1992 is the Centenary .

Avunandi, exactly 100 years back, Gurajada's
"KANYASULKAM" Naatakam was published. 

How can we forget characters like Great Girisam, Buchamma 
Madhuravani, Lubdhavadhanulu, Pamtulu etc., ..... ?

"Andhra Jyoti" daily dtd 13 Aug 92, specially carried a 
"Bapu" bomma of Madhuravani holding the strings of all the
characters of the Naatakam and carried a "Special Editorial !!"

Even after 100 years, the dialogues linger in our minds..

Dammit, katha Addam Tirigindi !!!

Ninnu Surendranath Banerjee Antati Vanni Chestaanu !

What man ? Era, neeku nenu Manu (wood) laaga kanapadutunnana ?

"God also created Widows like Buchamma..."

There is a bird on the tree - English conversation...

"Pilla - Aggipulla" !!

Anybody seen the film kanyasulkam ?? Remember the song by Sri Sri
"Anandam Aranayamaite....." In this film Urvasi Sarada had a
very tiny role in a dance sequence.

Long live Madhuravani and long live Gurajada's Kanyasulkam.

Untanu, Capt Madhusudhana Rao.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:51:25 CDT
From: golla@ceet.niu.edu (Kumar Golla)
Subject: Paata

pATakulaki,
     enno yeLLa nunchi naku ishtamaina paata okati vundhi. adhi ye
cinema lodho theliyadhu. Heroin RojaramaNi no Rajyalakshmi no(peru
gurthu ledhu kani moham gurthundhi).evaraina help cheyyagalaru.
Aa pAta prasthutham naa deggara (U.S. lo) ledhu.gurthu vundhi gurthu
vunnattau vrasthunnanu.

Pallavi:
    Yeh dhivi lo virisina pArijathamo
    Yeh kavi lo merisina premageethamo
    nA madhi lo neeve nindi poyene...

Anu Pallavi:
    Nee choopule dhivya dheepamai
    Nee navvule navya thAralai
    nA kannula vennala kanthi nimpene...

1 CharaNam:
    pAla bhugga pai letha siggulu pallavinchagA rAve
    neeli mungurulu pilla gAli tho AtalAdagA rAve
    kAli andhiyalu gghallu gghallu mana
    rAja hamsa la rAve

2 CharaNam:
    nidhura mabbu pai merupu theega vai kalalu repinadhi neeve
    brathuku veeNa pai praNaya rAgamulu Alapinchinadhi neeve
    padhamu padhamu lo madhuvu looraga
    kAvya kanya la rAve

emaina thappulu anipisthe, please correct me.
Thanx

Kumar S Golla
golla@lore.ceet.niu.edu

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:17:12 -0400
From: vkodali@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Perulu and chuttalu

>seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma) writes:
>Subject: JUBV Prasad gaari Jawaabulu Gurinchi

>This problem was tackled by maharishis of yore.  ANY PERSON
      ^^^^^^^
>IN HINDU SOCIETY, IS GIVEN AN IDENTITY (if you read the
>vedas and the upanishads) BASED ON TWO THINGS : GOTRAMU
>AND MAAAMOOLU PAERU.   example : Udaybhaskar Sarma,
>Kaasyapa gotramu, father S.Narasimha Rao, grandfather
>Basaveswara Sarma ..... and so on.

You write that the "problem" was tackled by the "Gotram and Mamoolu
Peru" system. But your example above, does not give equal importance
to the mother in the childrens name. So, how is the problem solved?
Your example above shows that gotram does not figure in the name. So,
what has gotram got to do with the name of a person?

>If I meet a person in a bus/train, and we have not met before.  By the gotramu
>method, There is a 100% chance that we realize that we are relatives, if we are
> relatives.

I do not know how one gets his gotram. As you have said there may be a
100% chance that two people unknown to each other before, may realize that
they are relatives by this gotram system (though, I don't know how). But to be
practical, how many people know about their gotram? If two people meet they
are bound to talk about other topics, rather than find each others gotrams.
I feel that most often, two people unknown to each other before, realize that
they are related, when they find out that both of them are related to a third
person. 

>ayina tharavaatha (older than 16 yrs), you will see how they have
>a hell of a time, looking for their ""roots".  vaaLLa friends
>andhariki boledu chuttalu vuntaaru.  mana `praachina paerula system'
>maarchadamu valla, they will be angry at you for having detached
>them ""From their heritage"" -- if you know anything about the
>problems of the minorities in USA, you know what I talking about..

I agree with you that the system Mr. Prasad wrote about, will make it
difficult to trace the "roots" of a person. But anybody named under that
system will not be deprived of their "chuttalu". Whichever naming system
is used, a cousin will always be a cousin, and an uncle will always be an
uncle. 

Finally, our rich heritage does not come from our naming system. So, if a 
person is named according to a new naming system, he will not be detached 
from his heritage.


Venky
vkodali@cs.utk.edu

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:24:54 CDT
From: auro@pine.ece.utexas.edu (Srinivasa V. Chakravarthy)
Subject: Poems

Oy NestAloo,

Rayaprolu vAri padyam meeda jarigina "attempts" choostunTe
venukaTiki sandram meedaki dookaboyina kOtulu gurtochharu! 
(manninchAli. poetic freedom ante ide kabolu.)
Angadudu konni yojanAlu dookagaladata.
Neeludu marinni. marokaru mari konni.
JAmbavantudu sumAru sAntam dookagalgunata.
kAni Akharuku dookindi Hanuma okaDe...

Ee allegory lo pAtralu, pAtradhArulevaro 
evariki vAre nirNayinchukovalani
manavi chesukuntoo, "Navakavita 1900-1976" ane pustakam lonchi
A padyanni etti ikkaDa vestunnA.
-SC



		JANMABHOOMI

Ae deSameginA, endu kAliDina
Ae peeThamekkinA, evvaremanina,
	pogaDarA neetalli bhoomi Bharatini
	niluparA neejAti ninDu gouravamu.

Ae poorvapuNyamO, ae yogabalamo,
janiyinchinADa veeswarga khanDamuna;
ae manchi poovulan preminchinAvo,
ninu moche neetalli kanaka garbhamuna.
	laedurA ituvanTi bhoodevi yendu
	laerurA manavanTi powru linkendu.

Sooryuniveluturul sOkunandAka
ODala janDAlu ADunandAka
andAkagala eeyananta bhootalini
mana bhoomivanTi challani talli laedu;
	pADarA neeten-gu bAla geetamulu,
	pAdarA neeveera bhAvabhAratamu.

tamatapassulu Rushul dhArapOyanga
SouryahAramu rAjachandru larpimpa

bhAvasootramu kaviprabhuvu lallanga
rAga dugdhamu bhaktiratnamul piduka;
	
dikkula kegadannu tejammu veluga
rALlateniyalooru rAgAlu sAga,
jagamula nooginchu magatanambegaya
soundaryamega bOyu sAhityamalara
	veligina deedivya pushpambu putra!
	deepinche neepuNya dESambu putra!

Polamula ratnAlu molicherA ichaTa
vArdhilo mutyalu panDerA ichaTa

Prithivi divyoushadul pidikerA manaku
kAnala kastoori kAcherA manaku
avamAnamelarA! anumAnamela
BhArateeyudananchu bhaktito pADa!
	pogaDarA nee talli bhoomi BhAratini
	niluparA nee jAti nindu garvambu.
		
		- KaLAprapoorNa, KavibhooshaNa, SAhityasthApaka,
		  AchArya DAktor RAyaprOlu SubbArAvu gAriche virachitam.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:39:42 -0700
From: vasantha@scic.intel.com (Vasantha Erraguntla)
Subject: Telugu grammar

> cimshop!SITAB%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET 

>Telugu grammar has a lot of alankArAlu. I remember only one of them:
>UpamAlankAram.
>Could one of you fill in the others?


Naaku gnyapakam vunna AlankArAlu
 
 UpamAlankAramu      : This is used for comparison. The 'simile' of Telugu
 UthprekshAlankAramu : 'Uthpreksha" anaga ooha. So, idi oohanu varnistundi
 RupakAlankAramu     : Does anyone know what this signifies??

Anyone know if there is an equivalent for the 'alliteration' of the English
language in Telugu?

Chandassu :
---------

 Padyamu             Chandassu
---------            ---------

UthpalamAla          Bha Ra NNa Bha Bha Ra Va
ChampakamAla         Na Ja Bha Ja Ja Ja Ra
Sardhulamu           Ma Sa Ja Sa Tha Tha Ga
Matthebhamu          Sa Bha Ra NNa Ma Ya Va

  'Ra'  as in Rajini
  'NNa' as in AraNNyamu
  'Sa'  as in Satyamu
  'Tha' as in Thandri
'Sa' in Sardhulam is "madatha Sa" )

Could some one post the Chandassu for Aataveladi, Thetageethi,
Kanda and Seesa padyams? Maybe with some examples......

Also does anyone out there have their high school Telugu text
books i.e the A.P Sate Board's Ist Language Telugu texts? The
ones BEFORE the change in syllabus (think that was in '84 for
VIII std, '85 for IX and '86 for X std.). I think they had a
good collection of poetry. 
 
Thanks
-vasantha

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:08:29 -0500
From: kalasapu@aecom.yu.edu
Subject: Unique telugu words

Prof.  Bosse at the University of Paris worked on this topic briefly,
     While he was preparing the French - Telugu dictionary and  Telugu 
     teaching manual for the French University students. 

 ( If any one of you are interested in further he will be gald to share his
ideas and data on this topic- contact me for address)

      If the meber posted this idea on the net is active in this domain I
request him to compile all such UNIQUE words or/ expressions in Telugu
language and I am sure it will amuse all of us and serve well to all the 
students of Telugu language , if such a work is not available in print so
far. 
      

srinivasa K Rao 

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 09:55:33 SST
From: krishna@iss.nus.sg (Krishnamoorthy Subrahmanyam)
Subject: Wanted list of Telugu Literature Books and Author names.

   Hi, 

   I  have  decided to buy some books on Telugu Literature during my vacation 
   in Madras. I have plan to visit Vijayawada and Hyderabad to see my friends
   and relatives. Can anyone out there to update me, that  what  are the good 
   literary valued books available and where I can buy  in  either Vijayawada
   or Hyderabad?.

   I  picked up my reading skills in Telugu from my family and have no formal 
   education in it. So,  I  need  to  know  bit of grammar before reading any 
   poetical works. Consider some grammar books also in your suggestions.
 
   Thanks in advance.

   ...Krishnamoorthy.
   krishna@iss.nus.sg

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