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From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov (Jim Wylde - Metal Fag)
Subject: Re: Stupid Het Males
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152428.24932@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:

>While I have zero interest in defending the idiot who 
>began this thread, I have to take exception to Tim 
>Bieling's use of the phrase "stupid het boys" to describe
>heterosexual males.  As a heterosexual male who reads
>this group regularly, I expect less bigotry than this from
>a person who must surely have experience with the 
>end-results of bigotry.  Why perpetuate (or perpetrate) 
>bigotry in either direction?  Surely you cannot help the
>homosexual cause by using throwaway blanket condemnations
>of the entire heterosexual community.

Hey, gary, no offense man, but I think the phrase in
question was directed primarily towards one very small
segment of the heterosexual community who have very 
valiantly earned the title given to them. (ie. our little
fag basher and Long dong silver) 

There are (unfortunately) some people in all segments of
minority/majority groups who go out of thier way to be 
the stereotype and earn such derrogatory titles.  Unless
someone directly calls you or "all of you" that, please
take it to be directed at only the person to whom it is
addressed.

Unoffensively,

Jim Wylde (Heavy Metal Homo!)

	Harder
		Louder
			Faster!!

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Subject: Re: The Berdiche
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:37:31 GMT

In article EKz@cscns.com, cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan) writes:
> Among our people, before we were conquered by the Europeans, gay men held
> a special status, as it was thought that they possessed very powerful
> medicine.  Among the Sioux, the clan's berdiche, or "effiminate man" (I
> can't remember the Lakota word, but I'll post it as soon as it comes back) was
> the official "child-namer" of the clan, and many sacred dances were held
> to honor them.  Any affront to one of them at one of these dances brought
> down instant reprisal from the warriors present.  Needless to say, you
> didn't make the berdiche mad.
> 
> This tolerance for gay people (I'm not sure about the number of
> pre-Contact lesbians, but there are stories of female warriors) seems to
> be yet another casualty of the White man's onslaught  against our culture. 
> Too few young people know these things, and perhaps do not want to
> learn because such beliefs are diametrically opposed to the prevalent
> belief/"value" system in which we live.  
> 
> Perhaps I cannot fully understand what it is to be gay, but I can "live and
> let live".  This is the way the Creator would want it to be.
> 
> Just my 2 cents' worth.
> 
> Kangi Taku Wakan
> cherokee@cscns.com
> 


Thank you for sharing that....I have never heard of a culture that was that accepting!
It is a refreshing view of the world.

It is odd that you post "today I mourn" today, as I am on my way to Montgomery for a
funeral.  My friends and I lost a very special person this week and I can only say
that you are never prepared for the loss, even when you are expacting it.

James M. Frank of Lawerenceville, GA died Tuesday Nov.17, 1992.  He is survived by his
life partner Greg S. Miller, his parents, five brothers one sister, and countless 
friends.  Jim, we will miss you and always remember you loving nature and tireless
friendship.


J.Bibb

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: Re: Change of pace
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:26:49 GMT


>It was VERY well done, expecially at the end when the former head of 
>the Navy wanted to make sure that he had been properly understood  and
>Brinkley, very much tounge in cheek, told him that he made his position
>very well understood.  The man was an ass and gave the impression that
>if it were in his power, he would not have allowed either women or 
>blacks in the military (even though he claimed the conrtary).

I agree...  What really impressed me was the fact that all
of the reporters from liberal Sam to conservative George
were very calm, and actually agreed!

The only thing I disagreed with was Reagans ex-Whatever he was
saying that the witch hunt wasnt going on then.  My roomie
used to be in the army, and worked for the NSA & NSC.  The
witch hunt was going on all through Reagan and Carter.

Jim
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: attitude
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:19:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


 
>Please don't flame me, this is my first post.
 
     MUFFIN ALERT!!
 
     *LEAP!* *pounce*
nibble, nibble
     mmmmmm!
     whoops..
 
Sorry 'bout that, I've been spending too much time on soc.bi :)
 
*e-hugz* to all!
 
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From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Ambiguous usage of the word "homophobe"
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:14:41 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Given ambiguities which attend _homophobe_ through much public discourse now
(for many, it means simply "disapproval of lesbigays," with no residual       
reference to 'phobia'), I find myself depending increasingly on ~heterosexist~
and its related term, ~heterosexism~.

~Homophobia~ focuses on intent, and on intent at the often subconscious level.
Phobias are not easily remedied.  My aunt may know intellectually that she 
will not die from the germs she wipes off every door knob with rubbing alcohol,
but she wipes them off relentlessly.  We do not despise or even dislike her for
this phobia:  we pity her.

~Heterosexism~ denotes unjust participation in systems of heteroprivilege,
regardless of whether one created the privilege and regardless of whether one
has even analyzed the gains as ill-gotten.  Heterosexists are often personally
kind to lesbigay people:  they can dine with us in their own homes, enjoy
our art, praise us publicly, but remain silent when the bigots 
deny us equal justice.

It's not the person who shouts "Faggot!" who does me the gravest harm:  it's
the colleague who lifts not a 29-cent stamp to complain when my spouse is
denied the same staff benefits as hers or his......

Quean Lutibelle/Louie


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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: attitude
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:16:53 GMT

In article <92326.201634MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> <MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have been wondering for sometime now why it seems that the homosexual
>population(a generalization) is continually irate towards the hetero pop.?

   Well, offhand, I'd say some of them who are irate have a lot of anger
to deal with.  Another problem is that defending heterosexuals isn't done
everyday, since their influence is overwhelming.

>I am a hetero male and since my enlightenment(as to accept people for who they
>are and not for who they love) 

   Thanks!
>a few years ago; I have been noticing that no matter how accepting you are,
>homosexuals(not acquainted with) 

   Do you mean homosexuals who you are not acquainted with?

>tend to group all hetero's in the intolerant and biggot category.
>Doesn't this seem familiar?  Is it fair or right to do what is done
>to you to someone who isn't doing it to you?

   Yes, it does seem familiar.  And no, it's not fair, right, etc.
   BUT.. Some het's can be, shall we say, "insensitive"?  
   Being Gay isn't like being black, hispanic, etc.  If you're an identifiable
minority, at least you don't hear the jokes around you (ok, not as much,
but you still get some).  This is not generally true of gays as they grow
up.  Many Gays are disowned by their families for being what they are.
These things add up.  Some Gays become defensive, and, I think, develop
a "seige" mentality.
   That would tend to make them somewhat more likely to categorize even
innocent remarks as "biggoted" or "intolerant".
   Forgive them, they know not what they do.

>I have been finding out that several people that I know are homosexual, 
>as a matter of fact, the number seems to be growing weekly.
>I would discuss this with them but have not had the chance.

   Well, try it.  I think you have a valid point.  Just be sure to emphasize
that you mean SOME GLBO's, and not all of them.

>Also, I applogize in advance if this offends
>anyone, it is not meant that way.

   None taken here.
>
>Please don't flame me, this is my first post.

   Hip tip #1, never ever beg for mercy.  Being flamed isn't that bad.


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:23:15 GMT

6tate_a@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

>What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?

My dear, should I stand before Her, and she can confirm the fact that
she is omnipotent and omniscent, she can apologize to me for making me
this way and sticking me on a world filled with people who refuse to
accept it.

I promise to accept them gracefully.

								FJ!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:27:40 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: One bored "het.boy"

[LXP111's rattle deleted]

One more "stupid het boy".  No need to waste more time on a young
twit such as this.

-Tim
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: PSU
From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:42:45 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

<MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> divulges:
->Why bash an entire University for the ignorance of one or group of people?

Well, you see, Mr. MGH110, it is simply because the highest rate of stupid
ignorant posts on USENET comes from PSU.  I can't explain it, no-one I've
met can explain it.  PSU just seems to breed a certain type of USENET
poster.  It'd be nice if someone started bucking that trend...

JOhn.

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:58:06 GMT

Greetings, everyone.
I have to clear up several points that followed from my recent posting.
First of all, old LongDongBoy used my name as a justification for his
views, suggesting that I had accused the folks here of reverse bigotry. 
To be clear: I have not accused anyone of reverse bigotry, and I hope that
it is clear that I would probably agree with DongChild about nothing.

Second, I apologize for being too serious, and for misinterpreting a slur
aimed at an individual as a slur aimed at a group.  Is there a smiley
which makes it clear whether you are talking to a group or an individual?
[Please note-that was a rhetorical question.]  Anyway, I'm a serious
person pretty much all the time.  So sue me.

Third, I'm not suggesting that the oppressed group be tolerant of the
abuse of their oppressors.  I'm simply suggesting that being intolerant of
your oppressors is going to get you nowhere fast.  You say that this
leaves no good solution?  Right you are.  Hence the present situation.  If
you tolerate their oppression, they ignore you and continue to oppress. 
If you don't, you alienate them and they see no reason to change.  A
vicious cycle.

This will probably generate flames, because I'm in a hurry, can't edit,
and didn't think too hard before I started.  Damn.

 Gary.Saunders
@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reas
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:48:31 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1ee9hcINN4l3@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
>In article <1ebr44INN6bg@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604
>(Hauskins)) said:
>>
>>Whoa!!! are you saying that ALL gay men like anal sex?  I don't think so,
>
>I should have been much more precise in my wording and not relied
>on people's memories of the context of the original post. My
>apologies.

Oh no apology necessary- I just saw this glaring statement and thought I'd
respond, it is difficult to deal sometimes with threads that go on, then
start to lose there intial meanings.

anyway thanks
steve

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan)
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes??
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:25:20 GMT

It seems like everyone here has gone off on an anal sex tangent, and
forgotten the original purpose of this particular discussion.  No problem
with that, it's just that I'd like to backtrack a little bit.

You'd might as well talk about reasoning with axe-murderers, or the United
States Cavalry of the previous century.  Homophobes are people who:

1) Do not know anything about homosexuals and the emotions they feel;
2) Are too insensitive to empathize with anyone, let alone a "faggot"
   (pardon my use of that distasteful word; just to make a point)
3) Perhaps as a consequence of 2) above, have no interest in learning
   about the people they roundly revile.

Of course, many homophobes are the way they are just out of sheer
ignorance and can overcome their unwarranted bias through contact with
homosexuals and by talking to them and understanding that love is the same
whether it goes out to one of the same sex or the other one.  (I myself am
an example of a once-nominal homophobe who quickly realized I was being an
asshole and limiting my own potential for growth by avoiding contact with
a diverse and fascinating group of people, and not putting myself in
"their shoes", so to speak, before I condemned them).

There are some homophobes wiht whom one can reason.  These people are not
really homophobic per se, just ignorant and thus fearful or apprehensive. 
It is the die-hard, gung-ho "fag-haters" (once again, I ask pardon), who
are also most likely racist and extremely closed-minded, with whom one
cannot reason.  You do not reason with a psycho killer; you also do not
reason with a doorknob.  Sadly, many of these hard-core homophobes have
IQ's that are in the same general range as a doorknob.

Well, people, go in peace.  If anyone is offended by what I write here,
feel free to mail me your flames at cherokee@cscns.com

Kangi Taku Wakan
a.k.a. Jim Forsyth
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:24:28 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

While I have zero interest in defending the idiot who began this thread, I
have to take exception to Tim Bieling's use of the phrase "stupid het
boys" to describe heterosexual males.  As a heterosexual male who reads
this group regularly, I expect less bigotry than this from a person who
must surely have experience with the end-results of bigotry.  Why
perpetuate (or perpetrate) bigotry in either direction?  Surely you cannot
help the homosexual cause by using throwaway blanket condemnations of the
entire heterosexual community.

Gary.Saunders
@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: Re: Thank you
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:10:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.190741.25116@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu> eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.224600.29539@mcs.anl.gov> nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov (Jim Wylde) writes:

>>Not to want to continue beating a dead horse here, but.... Blah,
blah, blah....

>I agree, BUT.... where did you find this out?  Is it a reliable source?
>
>-Ethan
>

Um, no offense here, bud, but we've already been through this exercise
before.  I got it off of the Sysops conference on GayComm, the
first and largest gay BBS network.  My roomate is one of the main
people on it.  You'll find out all about it if you read some of the
other posts relating to it....

Jim


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Thank you
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:30:14 GMT

In <92320.214151LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (Your worst nightmare) writes:
>Maybe you gay guys aren't so bad after all...since you free up more women for m
>e. (8- >=

Well, then maybe you assholes aren't that bad since you free up more women
for me.

Lisa
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: rlk@cmptrc.lonestar.org (R-L-K)
Subject: Re: Thank you
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:56:17 GMT
Organization: cmptrc.lonestar.org

In article <1992Nov16.160232.26619@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>
>I apologize for making two similar posts on the same day, but what is the
>deal with all the het.male bashing going on here?  I realize there is
>considerable bitterness among the male homosexual population (as well
>there should be), but is it necessary to denigrate all heterosexual males
>as a response?
>
>At the risk of starting a pointless flamewar, I will suggest that if the
>phrase above were insulting to a homosexual male rather than a
>heterosexual male, there would be rampant, justified cries of "HOMOPHOBE!"
>Dare I suggest that I am beginning to detect "heterophobia" here?
>

OH PLEASE STOP!  You're gonna make me cry, breeder.


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:11:19 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (Long Phamdo rocking PSU style)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
 <1992Nov15.213423.27484@netcom.com> <92320.212355LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Nov16.040655.8654@netcom.com>

No I did not say that my dick was a foot long (1'.03" long to be exact), I gues
s I shulld of filled in the blank d__ck=duck.  So now can I go fuck myself with
ith my 1 foot duck ..heh heh heh

              ==---da Long-Man--------------->
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:45:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160006.4494@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6tate_a@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>I have nothing against homosexuals because I have a couple of friends who are 
>and a couple of family members but I just have a couple of questions:
>Do you think you were born this way and if so did you have hetero-relations 
>before you decided to act on your feelings?
>Can you be homosexual without actually indulging in the sex?
>What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?
>
>	I'm not preaching but I do beleive that there is going to come a time 
>when you are going to have to stand before God and explain your actions and 
>he's going to cast you right into hell.  God made Adam and Eve not Adam and 
>Steve!  

I wish I knew whose quote this is (I use it enuf w/o cite), but I think
it's appropos in reply to this writer:
 
        "Minds are like parachutes ...
          They have to be open to work."
 
'Nuf said.

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From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Thank you
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:59:50 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <92321.020628LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Lisa writes:
>>Well, then maybe you assholes aren't that bad since you free up more women
>>for me.
>If you are refferring to "assholes" as the gay guys then your post made sense,
>but if you were reffering to moi, then It made no FUCKING sense.  Read your pos
>t again.

Oh, sorry...would it make more sense if I mentioned that I am bi so I am
interested in women and none of the women, or men for that matter, that I
know would ever consider having a "real" relationship with you, but a
couple would use you as a fuck pig for a couple of weeks <if they can stand
you that long> before getting tired of you and tossing you into the
street?
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:31:43 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????

In article <1992Nov14.155626.14224@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>,
prpeterson@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu says:
>
>I have a very simple question...what makes homos attracted to their own sex
>over that of the other sex?  What psychotic problem is this labeled as?

I have a better question - what makes "stupid het boys" flock to groups
such as this and flaunt their total ignorance?

To answer your question (and ignoring your 'problem' comment) - women
simply just don't excite me sexually.  (from experience, the thought of
performing oral sex with a woman turns me off totally)  However, my
boyfriend turns me on in every sense of the word and there is no woman
in this world who could come close to that...

>
>If anybody has any comments, please email me.

Right -come onto a group, post a stupid question, and then ask for email
replies.  Can we say "I need attention?"

>Paul4
>a gay basher
>

Ah - a self professed gay basher - eh?  Well - just try bashing me or any
of my friends and you'll discover what it feels like to be on the receiving
end of a 9mm slug.

Care to comment?

-Tim (constantly amazed at how dumb people can be)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:06:28 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Thank you

Lisa writes:

>Well, then maybe you assholes aren't that bad since you free up more women

>for me.
>for me
If you are refferring to "assholes" as the gay guys then your post made sense,
but if you were reffering to moi, then It made no FUCKING sense.  Read your pos
t again.


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