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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul28.215144.6829@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>In article osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>In article poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. 
>>	Well shoot, it's only a 420 alloy and using it to pry the concrete
>>	top off your septic tank isn't exactly what the knife was designed
>>	for.  Sheesh.
>Yeah, what *were* you trying to do with that poor knife?

Why, prying the top off my septic tank, of course!

Naw, I just stabbed it into a 1" piece of pine, and off it snapped.
Piece of shit if you ask me.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:39:52 GMT


In a previous article, jquarant@mipos3.intel.com (James R. Quaranta Jr.) says:

>In article <7701@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
>The scariest thing I remember about Mantak Chia's many books is the one where
>weights on strings are tied around one's testicles (if male) or to a small
>round object that is inserted into the vagina (if female) and then suspended
>a few inches or more off the ground.  I recently heard of people doing this
>to themselves without apparent harm, but seeing that was enough to convince
>me that Chia is just pushing the envelope a little too hard -- even if it
>turns out that these are time-honored practices, which I won't vouch for.
>
>Al
>_________________________________

I have read in couple of books about the Shaolin Technics, one was the 
steel testicle, as the way it said above. They also showed 2 pictures on
it. THe reason for these practices it is to release less pain when someone
hits you there. As most of the time, hitting your enemy's testicles are
a best way to 'beat' your enemy. :)

These technics, supposely should go with the 'virginity' of the person,
a technic of many yang involved.

-- 
No one is a failure... Keep up your dream and you will find it!
Ask always WISDOM from God!

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From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The swarm
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:59:43 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Jul29.172552.7440@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>Dakin writes:
>>1.  Redirected Roundhouse:  Dodge an opponent's roundhouse, speeding
>
>then swing around them.... it kinda exchanges places with them...

These sound like members of a family of techniques, perhaps from drunken
techniques or "old man" techniques.

I'm wondering what kinds of things one might do in a real fight against
multiple opponents.  The leg sweep was mentioned as being a cheat in tae kwon
do, but used in this exercise.  Sweeps aren't illegal in kung fu (I once saw
a sparring match in which the swept opponent was turned head-over-heels --
I swear it looked like he was doing a vertical headstand, but with his head
a couple of inches off the ground -- and managed to to a shoulder roll upon
landing and roll to his feet and keep on fighting), so what other things that
might be considered uncouth would you consider doing when your life was on
the line?

Al
From: jquarant@mipos3.intel.com (James R. Quaranta Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: jquarant@mipos3.UUCP (James R. Quaranta Jr.)
Organization: Microprocessor Component Group, Intel Corp., Santa Clara, CA

In article <7701@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
The scariest thing I remember about Mantak Chia's many books is the one where
weights on strings are tied around one's testicles (if male) or to a small
round object that is inserted into the vagina (if female) and then suspended
a few inches or more off the ground.  I recently heard of people doing this
to themselves without apparent harm, but seeing that was enough to convince
me that Chia is just pushing the envelope a little too hard -- even if it
turns out that these are time-honored practices, which I won't vouch for.

Al
_________________________________

So *THAT'S* what Lindsey Buckingham is doing on the cover of Fleetwood Mac's 
_Rumors_ album!  I heard he was a little psychotic, too...

jq

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From: gerber@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Rudolph Gerber)
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.044522.2109@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
[story of rabid fox circling pool, biting bricks, terrifying small children 
  and adults in the pool]
>      Later that day, the same fox apparently scrambled up the 
>   stairs to a neighbor's deck, jumped in a hot tub where a father 
>   and son were playing and bit the boy on the neck before running 
>   off, according to Barbara Snow, director of Fairfax County Animal
>   Control.
>      The next day, the same fox bit a girl playing on her backyard 
>   deck.  Her father beat the fox to death with a baseball bat, 
>   Snow said.  Tests showed the fox was infected with rabies, and 
>   the two children bitten are receiving treatment, according to 
>   health officials.
>      Now, Hedges says, her 2-year-old son wakes up in the dead of 
>   night, believing the fox will attack him.  "They think they're 
>   going to die," Hedges said.
>
>Personally, I identify with the batter.  The swimmers avoided
>injury to themselves, but did nothing to prevent the perpatrator
>from just moving right along to the next victim.  The cops were
>where they often seem to be when you really need them.  The
>bathers were unable to defend themselves.  The batter sized up
>the situation as one requiring lethal force, and did the
>necessary deed.
>--
>Richard A. Drury
>drury@helix.nih.gov

I agree that the batter responded most effectively, but his timing 
was a little off, I should think.  The best time to stop the fox
would have been just before it bit the girl.

Of course, I'm not at all sure that I could have identified the 
problem, grabbed a baseball bat, and done in the fox all in the 
time  (afew seconds? less?) between when the fox began his charge
and when he bit the girl.

Joe Gerber

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From: JOHNSO_FRM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Mr. Wizard)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Interesting MA REAL LIFE (tm) story
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:21:06 GMT


	No, the following story didn't happen to me...although I wish I were a
fly on the wall to witness it.  :-)
	My professor, Lee Lowery, told me a story that happened to one of his
instructors, Professor Remy Presas.  I will try to re-create it to the best of
my knowledge...if I am not accurate, attribute it to my young senility.  For
those of you who don't know Prof. Presas, he is the grandmaster of Modern
Arnis.

	One day, Prof. Presas (a small, non-violent looking man) was stopped by
a hood, who pulled a knife on him, and demanded all his money.  Prof. Presas
grew up in the Philipines, and has been training against sticks and bladed
weapons most of his life.  Prof. Presas got approximately $500.00 out of the
deal.  The clincher was, the next time the prof. went into the post office, he
found that hood's mug shot on the wall, along with a REWARD of $1000!!!!! 
*sigh*  Sometimes you can't win...

	As I said, I wasn't there, so I make no guarantees on the preceding
story... [getting into asbestos suit]

	Any other stories or real life anecdotes?  I love to read them.


     {*}
     /
    /  Mr. Wizard
   /     "Rick"
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Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 20 Jul 92 17:15:51 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <39310@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
> Ah doggies.
> 
...stuff on the postman playing dead deleted...
> 
> I've also heard that wrenching the dogs front legs apart into a splits position
> will damage its heart badly - unless of course its being doing its stretching
> exercises, in which case its probably a 27th dan Mutant Ninja Poodle, and
> so you are in deep shit.
> 
> tommy

Some dogs I've seen have quite a lenght between extended head and front leg
joints.  Especially if you have to be close enough to do some effective 
wrenching :)

Once I was jumped by a BIG (35 feet tall or so it seemed at the time) German 
Shepherd.  I dropped my school books and crossed my wrists in front of my 
throat as it launched itself. Its nose collided with my hand and the dog 
bounced off me.  By the time it go back in launch (lunch?) poise, its owners
regained control of it.

1 - Did I cue him to go for my throat?
2 - I was not an MA at the time, I reacted to pure fear.
3 - Had I shoved my hands in its open mouth (the opportunity did present
itself) and grabbed upper jaw with one hand and the lower with the other,
could I have broken its jaw by prying them sideways?  Add pinning the twisting
body between knees as I fall on him.  My ignorance of dog physionomy tells me
that they might have strong up and down jaw muscles, but weak lateral ones.

Would this have worked?

Mario Tambay.

On a quazi-related topic.. A lady and her husband were attacked by a bear.
She ran up a tree, it followed her up (20 feet) and knocked her down.
She played dead but the bear chewed her face.  When she realised that it wasn't
going away, she twisted its nose.  It left her then.
This happened in 81-82. Source: Calgary Hearald in a recent article about her
recovery since then.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shaolin Monks Tour: Postscript?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:27:36 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

In article <1992Jul23.153555.19797@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) 
	writes:

   [Story on two monks from the recent tour who have vanished deleted.]
  
  +Do you know the names of the Monks?

The advertisement was addressed to Guo Lin and Yen Ming.
 

Terry Chan 
--
Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov                           I disclaim all disclaimers.
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From: cdouglas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Collin Broadrick Douglas)
Subject: Re: When is one experienced enough to teach?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 10:53:08 GMT

jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers) writes:

>In my sytle (Dan Zan Ryu Jujitsu) it is basically accepted that
>"instructors" are at least first Dan.  I think for a school to
>be officially recognized by the AJJF (the entity that preserves 
>and promotes our style) this is a requirement.  At brown-belt
>levels, a student may be considered a "junior instructor" and so
>help with classes, teach beginners, hold open mat sessions, etc.

>As a general idea, we believe in allowing everyone to help teach.
>That is, once you have learned some techniques (or the essentials of)
>you help teach those that are new to those techniques.  Teaching an
>art really helps you solidify it in your mind!

>-- 
>============================================================================
>| Jeff Meyers      |  jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu      | 39 43'N - 121 48'W  |
>| Chico, Ca 95926  |  KD6DIS@KE6LW.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA  | Grid: CN80-CM99 ??  |
>============================================================================

I believe that if you have enough experience and the correct attitude, teaching
can beging earlier.  I taught a few classes and I'm just a green belt.  
However, the people I taught were children and I never charged money.  Also,
I was not the one testing.  A black belt from a school out of town was in  
charge of testing the students for the belt.

I think I am a good teacher but I make sure that whoever I teach knows that
I am not a black belt.


Collin Douglas
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: jumping dogs
Keywords: mildly irritated.....
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:40:26 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Jul28.144444.12147@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
>>	Dogs have to be taught to jump.  Once you teach them a German
>	this is utter bullsh**.  

	(Why are you playing stupid games with the headers?)

	Dogs have to be taught to jump safely.  Some even have to be
taught to jump; they don't realize they can and won't.  A dog that
takes a long or high jump can hurt itself.  Some dogs are naturals, and
others are not.  The same dog that "effortlessly sailed ove the 6' fence"
might be able to clear 8 feet with practice, or might dislocate a hip
the next time over.

	(What's this go to do with martial arts ? :-)  Well, I'll bet
this guy studies a hard confrontational style : "this is utter bullsh**."

								wr
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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: When is one experienced enough to teach?
Organization: University of Utah
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:31:10

In article <1992Jul24.200532.7227@stiatl.salestech.com> rwt@stiatl.salestech.com (Roger Terrell) writes:

   I've been wondering about this, so I thought I would ask for opinions....
   At what rank/time/level-of-experience/maturity do you think it is 
   acceptable for a person to teach in their style?  Often it happens
   that a middle-ranking person moves somewhere where their martial art
   is not available, but they want to continue practicing anyway.  They
   may decide to start a small club so that they will have the chance
   to continue practicing.  At what point do you think this is acceptable?

these are good questions.

first, it must be understood that, just as there are different grades
of students, there are also different grades of teachers.  some
teachers teach beginners; some teach other teachers.  in kendo, these
different grades are often acknowledged by the "shogo," or honorary
ranks.  you needn't know everything to teach; the best teachers i know
seem to all have the attitude of "i know a little, and i'll show you
what i know."  of course you should not expect the same degree of
competence from a beginning teacher as you would from an experienced
instructor.  i am a beginning teacher, and sometimes i have to answer
a student's question by saying "i must ask my sensei."

the question of starting a school in order to practice is familiar to
me.  i began running kendo classes when i was only 4th kyu; i relied
on real teachers for advice on the proper ways of organizing practice.
now i am 2 dan, but i still rely on wiser teachers to help me give my
students the best possible lessons.

in my opinion, any thoughtful student with a good lesson plan can run
a class.  to really teach, however, you need the other attributes we
associate with good teachers: knowledge, skill, patience, eloquence,
reliability, and a keen perception of human nature.  every teacher
must try to cultivate these qualities, and every teacher has his or
her own unique balance of the abovementioned traits.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Light Body Techniques
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:08:55 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Jul27.042257.21930@cs.UAlberta.CA> terry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Terry Baxter; Linguistics) writes:
>have witnessed firsthand 6 students not able to lift him, and then at his
>wish lift him very easily.

The not-being-able-to-lift technique isn't so hard, IMO.  I read a story about
a young girl who took aikido who could do this, and my first kung fu and
t'ai chi teacher could do it and told us the principle -- you have to make
your body limp and heavy.  The idea is not to let anyone have anything to
lift up on, like a pile of sand.

The other technique, I'm not sure about.  You can obviously change the amount
of effort it takes to lift you drastically by using the above strategy and
then suddenly reverting to a tensed-up body structure, but I don't know if
you can actually make yourself _lighter_.

Al
From: dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Mail Order Knives
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:46:28 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
them.

Many thanks

---doug---
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,soc.men
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:53:42 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence

Excerpts from netnews.rec.martial-arts: 29-Jul-92 women, training, &&
violence wharfie@unisql.UUCP (1861)

> I've often wondered why when you do get 
> them into a dojo (martial arts training place) they seem to leave at a 
> higher rate than students of that other sex...


	What's to wonder? It's pretty darned obvious that (overall) women are
socialized to find violence unpleasant.
	When faced with an intensely aggressive opponent, they sometimes panic
and freeze up. I've seen it on the fencing strip, I've seen it at
parties, and I've seen it at Karate dojos (among newcomers - who don't
last very long).
	This experience of helplessness is often so unpleasant, that I guess
they'd rather avoid dealing with it, than conquer it.

Excerpts from netnews.rec.martial-arts: 29-Jul-92 women, training, &&
violence wharfie@unisql.UUCP (1861)

> 	So, my questions are "What can be done to help people, and female
> people in particular, get over this mental block of hypertrophied pacifism
so that they can benefit from learning to deal with violence

	Maybe if you lay the facts before them, and force them to use their
reason while denying the validity of sentiment & social programming,
then they'll come around.
	But then again, they may hate you for it.
	Another possibility is that they're quite aware of their situation, and
*STILL* don't want to practice MA. If so, then that's their decision,
and you should respect it.
	There's a masculine normative bias to the MA culture. The implication
in this thread is that "masculine" attitudes to violence are correct,
while "feminine" attitudes to violence are incorrect.
	Is it really our job to "fix" female behavior? Are we being a little
presumptuous in assuming that there SHOULD be more women in the martial
arts?
	I'm not making any statements either way, just trying to point out some
assumptions in the arguments.

	Stephen
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From: butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher)
Subject: Re: Bricks used for demo breaking
Keywords: bricks
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:46:34 GMT

>Can someone tell me what kind of bricks is usually used for 
>demo breaking? The size, what kind of material it is made of and where I 
>can get them? Does Home Depot carry them?
>
>Thanks

Preferably black, porous ones.  This facilitates interference.  Remember to
strike them against a black background, so that you aren't looking at them.
Wouldn't want to collapse your wavefunction prematurely - it might hurt!

Adrian (!)

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From: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Reply-To: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:09:05 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.164241.4373@PA.dec.com>, stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd
I. Stark) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
|>From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
|>Subject: Re: years for black belt
|>Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
|>Date: 29 JUL 92 12:13:17    
|>
|>
         :
         :
|>
|>When it comes down to it, after all the reasons have been analyzed,
|>I think it comes down to ritual.  The test is a ceremonial event,
|>a rite of passage both public and private.
|>
|>It really has nothing neccessarily to do with skill and technique goals.
|>I'd have to ask 'why doesn't your instructor already  know what
|>you can do and what you can't do, why does he/she need to test you 
|>in a public event just to know what you can do ?'  Unless of course
|>the test is for a license to be a demonstrator or performer.
|>

For a few years the instructor at my dojo used no formalized tests.  The
argument was that you were always being tested and therefore would always
strive to perform your best.  I moved through around 6 ranks this way.
After a couple of times you did get a good feeling of which nights he was
using for evaluation though.  There is an actual ceremony for the awarding
of a new rank, so we had the 'rite of passage'.

This past fall he changed (back) to formal tests.  I believe that a
significant part of the reason was an increase in class size that made it
quite difficult to do the evaluation during class.  Of the students that
have tested in both manners I've seen some that have had no trouble doing
the formal test, and others who do well in class, but somehow do poorly
on the formal test.
------------------------------------------------------
Rich Whalen

You don't know where these bits have been!
From: heller@teucer.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Five Kwans
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:40:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.matrial-arts
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: teucer.think.com


As I understand the development of Tae Kwon Do, there was a merger of five
schools or *kwans* in the 1950s as the name Tae Kwon Do was accepted.  I'm
interested in deriving family trees of instructors from the five schools,
and I'd only like to include information that can be explicitly attributed
by an authority.

Please send me the following information directly (heller@think.com) if you
are able to send email, otherwise post.  I'll post both the raw and
digested information in a few weeks.

I'd like to limit the tree to include people who trained in Korea and who
became instructors.

I'd like all information to include as much as possible of the following:

Name, instructor, original kwan, current rank, current city, source of
information, your relationship to the source of information.

My contribution would look like:

According to Duk Sung Son, my instructor, his teacher was Won Kuk Lee, of
the Chung Do Kwan School.  Mr. Lee currently lives in DC, and Mr. Son lives
in New York City and holds a ninth degree black belt.

According to Mr. Son, the following are some of his students:

Student			rank		city
S. T. (Ted) Chang	7th Dan		Harrisburg	
Yong Kee Chang		???		California	
Young Sik Choi		7th Dan		Louisville	
Jae Bock Chung		8th Dan 	Madison
Nak Yong Chung		???		Illinois
Yong Taek Chung		???		Kansas City
Tai Doo Kang		???		Minneapolis
Dong Hoon Kim		8th Dan		Tucson	
Ki Hyung Kim		8th Dan 	Omaha
K.C. Park		???		Hopewell Junction, NY
Jhoon Rhee		???		D.C.
Kyung Woo Yu		???		St. Louis

I'm also interested in the trees going back in time if anybody has access
to that information.

thanks  -steve  (steve heller --- heller@think.com)
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