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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:29:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec15.185246.23158@mmm.serc.3m.com>  
ccg@tcdsp1.mmm.com ("Charles Ganzhorn") writes:
> The idea is not the specific item they prohibit, it is the  
precedent that is set:
>  a personal liberty is sacrificed for "the common good" in an  
instance where "the
> common good" is not particularly enhanced by the sacrifice.  It is  
MY skull that
> is cracked open, not anyone else's.  And as I said in a previous  
post, I think it
> is silly to think that ANYONE would see reduced insurance prices if  
there were
> mandatory helmet laws.  In fact, in Minnesota where we are required  
to have car
> insurance, for example, it raised insurance prices since one of the  
basic concepts
> of capitalism is violated:  I don't have the choice NOT to purchase  
the product.
> 

The helmet issue is a tricky one, with good arguments on both 
sides. The insurance issue is not: requiring that all drivers be
insured is about the only reasonable way to protect the rights
of the insured drivers.  In states where insurance is not
required, those drivers who are not insured but who get into
accidents a) cause the insurance company of the  driver 
they just ran into to have to pay for the cost of the accident and
b) cause all of us to have to pay for the care of the 
uninsured driver.  I've been in states where things work
this way, and it is a real mess.  Far better to simply require
insurance in the same way we require drivers licenses.

By the way, just because insurance is required does NOT mean
that you don't get competition.  Every body more or less has to
buy a winter coat (in cold climates at least) but that doesn't mean
I can't find coats ranging in price from about $50 to upwards of 
$500.    The problem is that some states also tightly regulate
the price of insurance, so that all the insurance companies are
required to charge the same amount. This is silly.








--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Arkansas and Bakersfield jokes?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:57:15 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Jeremy W. Burgeson) writes:
|> 
|> Nothing that is funny is in good taste to everyone.  If it was, it
|> wouldn't be funny.

Paraphrasing from Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land:"

All humor is at someone's expense.  We only laugh because we can
identify with the pain and this keeps it from hurting.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
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From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's bigoted remarks at the convention...
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:27:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin

From article <1992Dec15.213400.16054@netcom.com>, by mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt):
> to disavow as the Democrats have done to LaRouche.  Did the D's go so
> far as to endorse the Republican opponent of LaRouchies in Illinois?
> Or did they just advise Democrats to not vote?  The Republican Party
> officially endorsed Duke's Democrat opponent in Louisiana.

	The Illinois Democrats ran candidates as third-party candidates
against the LaRouchies.  Adlai Stevenson, III, the Democratic candidate
for governor, resigned from the Democratic ticket and became the 
candidate for governor on the third party ticket.

terry
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus )
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's bigoted remarks at the convention...
Keywords: hate
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:13:41 GMT

dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
>>Who is Bo Gritz and what has he to do with this?
>>
>Bo Gritz is a true American patriot who is being denounced as a fascist by
>the Free Shit Brigades (tm) before his message of personal responsibility
>and self reliance can catch on.  I sincerely hopes he weathers the storm.

Heh.  He he.  Yeah.  I'll admit one thing; Gritz is patriotic.  He also
thinks he is right.  He isn't, of course, having at least *acted* like a
biggot in public.
>Douglas C. Meier		|  I have a trig midterm tomorrow and I'm
______________
Matt Ivaliotes				a.k.a. Lotus
ivaliote@ux1				lotus@uiuc
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Health insurance stuff
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:14:11 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <lii39iINN114@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
> One slightly related question -- how many people (nowadays) have a
> regular doctor?  About a year ago I went to an urgent care clinic for

Nearly everyone I know does.

> an urgent sinus and ear infection, and did follow-up (less urgent)
> through the clinic where our pediatrician works.  It was pretty clear
> that the urgent care clinic cost more for less service.  I read
> somewhere (don't know where) that this pattern of getting medical care
> is more common than it used to be, and it is clearly not the cheap way
> to do it.

Of course it's not cheap.  If it were, too many people would abuse it.

> (Note that this is not unlike what poor people are accused of doing.

Accused of doing?  They do it.

> David Chase



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Health insurance stuff
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:56:53 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <lif4o5INN7nr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.190126.5984@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
> Ronzone) writes:
# #As a you-should-know aside: The cost-to-employer of medical insurance
# #has been growing at horribly high rates. Consecutive annual increase
# #of 15% have been very common.
# 
# #If the rate of increase of the last five years keeps up, the
# #estimated annual cost of insurance, in 1991 dollars, in the year 2000,
# #will be $49,000!!!!
# 
# I would sort of expect that something would happen to correct that
# trend.  What, I do not know, but exponential trends do tend to run
# into other limits.  The world is not covered in cockroaches.
# 
# What is mysterious to me is why it should rise so.  Eight years from
# now, I don't see why medical care equivalent to our current medical
# care should cost terribly much more.  Who will be getting all the
# extra money?  Is this a consequence of the baby boom getting older,
# and thus we have many insured people starting to become less healthy?

One of the local health plans up here in Sonoma County explained
why it raised rates for single men last year.  One of the reasons
was the high cost of AIDS.  (I suspect that this is a localized
problem, however).

# David Chase



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,tx.politics
From: root@moller3.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Your FICA is unsafe
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:06:34 GMT
Organization: Damn little.

In article <1992Dec11.011009.16780@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:

[...]

>
>SS is one of the biggest robberies in history.  It is partly a random
>subsidy that takes money from part of the population and gives to others.
>The only non-random part is that politicians can use the funds to buy
>time so that temporarily they don't have to face up to budget realities and 
>be able to keep telling the public that they can have their cake and eat it
>too.
>
>When are they going to give individuals back the control over their own
>destiny?  

For government to "give ... back the control" implies that one or more
bureaucrats would have to _give_up_ control.  This is not in the nature
of bureaucrats.

>          When are they going to stop being big government do-gooders and
>stop spoonfeeding those income earners who aren't even "smart" enought
>to plan their own retirement?????
>
>- Karl Wee
>  kwee@oracle.com
>
>  "Pretty soon they'll find a euphemism for Government."


-- 
Chris Moller (moller@austin.ibm.com)

IBM pays absolutely no attention to my opinions, ergo the 
foregoing cannot possibly represent its position.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WAR IN BOSNIA!!!!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:14:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <athos-181292090648@kip2-49.apple.com> athos@apple.com  
(Rick Eames) writes:
> Please explain how Germany was a threat to the United States during  
WWII. 
> Please also explain why we alloted more resources to fighting  
Germany than
> we did fighting the country that actually attacked us (Japan).
> 

German U-boats sank quite a few US ships, even before 
the US declared war on them.   That sounds like a threat 
to me.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,talk.bizarre,alt.peeves,alt.flame
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: ***(NEW EDITION) JAPANYES;VERY POPULAR PAPER ON JAPANESE BUSINESS STRATEGY (1of2)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.164324.6672@spock.UUCP> bane@spock.uucp (Cameron Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec6.100728.12784@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>What is this doing in talk.bizarre??
>>
>What is THIS doing on alt.peeves?
>
>--
Sorry, I forgot to check the newgroups line.  The person who posted
this critique of Japanese business policy crossposted to every newsgroup
on the net.

Simon

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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,alt.sex
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:09:23 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Dec18.000746.21446@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
# Just a question here....is this 4% statistic based on if you have had sex with
# some of the same gender? Or is it based on how you identify yourself? There

Based on sexual behavior.

# are a lot of people who know their sexual orientation but are still virgins
# I would imagine....not to mention likely a ton of people who consider
# themselves bisexual and have only had sex with one gender (be that same sex or
# opposite sex). I think what this survey is recording is NOT sexual orientation
# but sexual behavior.... A lot of young men have had same sex sex but are not
# gay or bisexual. I always question these studies anyway considering sexual 
# orientation has become such a taboo subject, I think only really "out" people
# would answer truthfully....so perhaps 10% really are gay and only 4% will
# admit to it....or perhaps 10% are gay and only 4% are out of the closet. :-)
# 
# Jen

Do I understand you to be saying that lots of men who have sex with
other men are heterosexuals, and lots of men who don't have sex with
other men are homosexuals?

Next, Jen will redefine that those people with a penis are women,
and those people with a vagina are men.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,talk.bizarre,alt.peeves,alt.flame
From: bane@spock.uucp (Cameron Huang)
Subject: Re: ***(NEW EDITION) JAPANYES;VERY POPULAR PAPER ON JAPANESE BUSINESS STRATEGY (1of2)
Organization: Acheron Technical Institute 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:43:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec6.100728.12784@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>What is this doing in talk.bizarre??
>
What is THIS doing on alt.peeves?

-- 
+-----------------------+----------------------------------------------------+
|King of the who?       |                       I see the faith in your eyes |
+-----------------------+               Never you hear the discouraging lies |
|If love is blind, I    |                     I hear the faith in your cries |
|guess I'll buy myself  |                   Broken is the promise-- betrayal |
|a cane.                |   The bleeding hand held back by the deepened nail |
|                       |                         Follow the God that failed |
bane@choate.edu---------+--------------------------------------Metallica-----+
From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: I've just been repremanded by net.big.brother
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:22:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec11.155303.5068@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, awells@lynx.dac.no
rtheastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
>I just received this scolding from a net official at my
>university:
>
>>From XXXXXX Thu Dec 10 20:37:25 1992
>>Subject: language on internet
>>To: awells (Andrew V. Wells)
>>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 EST
>>From:XXXXXXXXXXX
>>Andy,
>>      It has come to my attention that a number of complaints have
>>been posted and mailed to Northeastern relative the the content of some
>>recent postings to the internet from your account. While neither DAC or
>>the University have any intention of restricting free speech, there are
>>standards for reasonable conduct. Obscenities and name calling reflect
>>badly on this University especially in a world wide forum. In the
>>future, please refrain from using such offensive language; it
>>contributes nothing to any kind of discussion.
>>Thank you.
>>XXXXXXXXXXXX
>>A net official
>------------------End of letter-------------------------
>
>Doesn't this constitute a subtle form of censorship? I've always

   No, this is a way of keeping mail interesting and free of garbage that no
   one is impressed with , nor wants to read.

>thought that what are pejoratively refered to as "obscenities"
>can be a valid expression of anger and revulsion, given what a
>#$%*&!!#$@& world we live in. There have also been attacks on
>the use of "obscenities" in Rap music, with the thought police

     As it should be

>wanting to put "parental advisory" stickers on the albums. This
>is indeed a real and clever form of censorship, as many of the
>owners of large-chain shopping malls [mauls?], (where most people
>buy their cassettes and CD's) have threatened to shut down
>record stores that sell music with "parental advisory" stickers.
>One of the big players in this censorship campaign is none other
>than Tipper Gore.  I just wonder, after Jan. 20th, whether
>we're going to start seeing warning labels slapped on
>terminals all across the country warning people about such
>excellent groups as talk.bizarre.  The scary thing is that
>the real powerhouses behind all of this are not just people
>like tipper gore, but ultra-right wing fanatic religous
>fronts with Orwellian names such as the "American Family
>Association."
>                                   andy wells
>          ///\\\         awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
>        \\\\  ////        andyphys@nuhub.northeastern.edu
>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,tx.politics
From: cd651@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally L. Blume)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Hey, Bill, WAKE UP!!!!
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:45:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd651@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally L. Blume)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


 Here is a cute little story I heard the other day...

Once there was this President Elect who was faced with an economy that 
was taking a turn for the better. In a mad dash to try and take credit
for this he set up an economic summit and called economic and business
people from across the country to come and discuss ways to improve our
economy. He proclaimed that this marked a new era in politics, an era
of political involvement where he as the new President would listen to
the experts and make a carefull decision based on what was learned in 
these brainstorming sessions. Actually what was said in these meetings
really didn't matter since he had made up his mind long ago what he wanted
to do about the economy, as a matter of fact he, his wife and his Vice
President all slept through most of it. Then when this session was
concluded our sleepy-eyed Pres. Elect stood up and said "That's exactly
what I've said all along, I see no need to change my original plan"
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: The Religious Right (was: Somalia
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<1992Dec14.202816.9611@grace.boeing.com>
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:45:31

It seems to me... as a detatched and sometimes amused observer... that
there are at least two kinds of people who call themselves "born again
Christians".  I'm restricting myself here to those who call themselves
by that name, in the interest of simplicity.

There are those who feel that it is their duty to set a good example,
that the rest of the world will know them by their love (if i'm not
mistaken there's something that sounds like that in the Bible
somewhere?).  These people consider it is their duty, among other
things, to live a life of service to their God and to others.  They
hope, among other things, to draw other people to Christianity by
their example.  While i'm not a Christian, i have a lot of respect for
people like that.

Then there are those who want to lead by force.  These are the people
that try to bully others, who want to get their laws passed, have
their religion taught in school, want their morality to be the
officially enforced one.  They want books they do not approve of to be
removed from libraries.  In Norway, there is a small group who
believes all politicians should be required to be Christians, and i
know i've heard someone say "witchcraft" should become a felony again.
I have no respect at all for these people.

In other words.... born again Christians don't bother me per se.  It's
one group, a loud obnoxious group, but i think/hope a small group, who
bother me.  Saying 54% of the delegates to a convention identified
themselves as "born again Christians" says nothing to me, if i know
nothing more.

(Need i mention that being Christian is not a prerequisite for being
like either of those groups?)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway


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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Death of Canada (Was: Death of America)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:45:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) says:

>note to americans: this "quality of life" myth is what is fed to
>all productive canadians to make them think the entire US is a filthy
>drug-ridden warzone, so that they will stay and send all their money
>into the government. i have lived in both places. it is a lie.
>cf. the hysterical "if i don't use a toll booth i have to drive
>through the south bronx" stuff below.
>
       I admit, part of my motive for visiting Canada was a sanctuary
    from the U.S. government I see coming.  But, after being there,
    it's definitely off my escape list.  


      What I really find interesting is this:

      My (  Canadian ) girlfriend now lives in the US.
      Her parents live in the US.
      Her brother lives in the US.
   
      Her sister, who has declared bankruptcy 3 times so  far,
     still lives in Canada. :)

>--
>charles
>

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:23:47 GMT

In article <1183@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
>In article <1992Dec2.203836.27157@Princeton.EDU>
>niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>>BTW, Clarence Thomas discredited himself.  "I have never discussed Roe v. 
>>Wade."

>That's not exactly what he said, if I remember correctly.  I believe he
>said (and meant) that he never discussed the legal merits of Roe v.
>Wade.  I don't know why you find that hard to believe.  It is very
>seldom that I hear anyone discuss the legal merits of Roe v. Wade,
>rather most people take a position based on their opinion of abortion
>and talk about that.  The propriety of abortion is (or should be)
>irrelevant to the legal merits of the decision.  Not enough people
>understand that.

You don't find it hard to believe that a law school student and future
judge has NEVER discussed the legal merits of Roe v. Wade?  He was in
law school at the time the decision was announced; *I* certainly don't
believe that it wasn't one of the biggest topics of conversation in law
schools around the country at the time.

I quite agree that the legal merits of Roe v. Wade are separate from the
idea of abortion; I could believe that he never dicussed *abortion* with
anyone.  I *can't* believe he never discussed RvW, given that he was in
law school at the time of the decision, with anyone.

-- 
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