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From: 01jametzger@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State Sucks!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.003623.4706@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.160507.17144@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct10.201048.20193@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>>Cooper Sucks!
AMEN!!!
>> 
> 	My dad made the observation that in Woody's day, Eddie would have been
> benched after the first one.  For the game, if not the season :).

And in Woody's day the students would have hung him in effigy after the game.
Has anything like that happened on campus yet?
> 

> 
>> Now, here's a trivia question for you all:  what Big 10 team is the only
>> one to date with no conference wins?  :^)
>> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
> 
> 	Heh, trivia question for next week: what UW fan will be brutally
> tortured and killed?

Along with "Coach" (if that's what you want to call him) Cooper, if he can't
pull off a win against Northwest....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:27:00 GMT

In article <70895@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
>}What's this?  A blowhard sounding reasonable! 
>
>What sad times are these when a graduate and top-level administrator
>of the Goober School for the Clueless can't tell a Blowhard from a 
>PennHead!  

The Goober School adminstration adheres to the same standards of 
Unkneauxingness as our students.  And Cliff, being the Vice Dictator
for Life, is in a very important position... you can't let just anyone 
dictate vice.

- goober (blowhard, pennhead, is there a difference?) smith
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Thrash-factors (was Re: AP Top 25)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:13:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.39489
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct14.044940.1440@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
> In article <39445@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> >
> >Margin of victory? ease of win? yards gained/allowed?
> >pts scored/allowed? home/road?.. what? Everybody chooses his/her criterion
> >conveniently. I choose mine. I use the trash-factor (tm) #)
> >
> >Washington piled up 600 odd yards and ~35 points *in* Nebraska. 
> >That was quite a offensive-trashing (tm). 
> 
> yeah, but then Nebraska did pile up a lot of yards too.. and 21 points!


I am talking about the Wash offense, not their defense.


> I am sure the BYU-SDSU game this year produced a lot of yards (if not,
> I'm sure you can come up with another example), so do you call that an
> offensive thrashing eventhough the margin of victory was only 7 pts?


Yes, BYU trashed SDSU offensively, and vice versa. I dont measure
offense on margin of victory, but on how many points the team
scored, and how many yds they gained. The margin of
victory is very much dependent on the defense, in addition to the
offense. [SDSU 45 BYU 38]


> >Miami, on the other hand, pitched a shutout, and scored only 22,
> >at home, That was a defensive-thrashing (tm). 
> 
> A 20 point difference IS offensive thrashing... I'm sure the hurricanes
> could have ran up the score, but probably complaints about them running
> up the score in the previous years did have some effect on why they
> didn't score more points.


Nope.. Given the field position Miami had all evening, that they
scored only 22 pts (1 TD and 5 FGs) is not an offensive
juggernaut.


> But, Miami SHUT OUT the Nebraska offense which scored 21 points against
> the much hyped UW defense with Etman & co. What does that say about
> the quality of Miami's defense?
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> Njan

Yes, Miami's defense was awesome. They trashed Nebraska.

The biggest difference in the two defensive
displays vs. Nebraska; Washington gave up 21 *in* Lincoln, while
Miami was play at home. Home field advantage is pretty significant
in college football. 

 
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From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:44:00 GMT

ds4@soc15.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:

>was thrown.  The biggest call, which was more of a innocent mistake on the part
>of the ref, was the call on the safety/touchdown.  As the announcers pointed
>out, if the offense makes an illegal forward pass in the inzone, the other team
>has the option of accepting the penalty, or declining it, and taking the result
>of the forward pass which would mean a touchdown for the Canes.  The canes were
>not given a choice. 

If I remember correctly, the "result" of the forward pass was an incomplete 
pass.  Of course, I may not remember correctly.  Anyway, if the 'Canes had
accepted that, FSU would hve had the ball on the goal line, first and forever.

-- 
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.
From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: help on past National champs
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:34:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.bjm1.719048043
Organization: Mississippi State University

Can someone help me come up with the National Champs (and the years)
since about 1980.  I can name several teams, but I can't seem to remember
years to go with them.  I figured there was someone out there who probably
knew...:)

Thanks in advance.

Roland

Email reply is fine, posting is not necessary (but may be interesting)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov (Jackie Wilson - BCSS)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:17:15 GMT

In article 3281@b11.b11.ingr.com, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.201243.8638@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>>
>>As I stated in a previous post, the AU/UA game is the biggest game of
>>the year for both teams.  As bad as most Bama fans hate to admit it,
>>THE reason Bill Curry was run out of town was because he couldn`t beat
>>Auburn.  In a year with only 2 losses (AU and Miami), many fans were 
>                                                       ^^^^
>    There, at least, is a nuggett of truth.  Many fans were more
>than a little upset with Curry as evidenced by someone lobbing a
>brick through his window.  However, Curry went to Kentucky to
>interview for the coaching job on what should have been a quiet 2 or
>3 day trip.  Instead, he turned it into a media circus for a week. 
>All this *after* the AD and University President gave him the vote
>of confidence and asked him to stay.  Now, if you go to another
>company and interview for a job and decide to take it when it is
>offered, did Boeing "run you off"?
>
>>Jackie Wilson
>>Boeing Computer Support Services
>
>--
>Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
>"Software, as long as it works, doesn't fail."

If you will read my previous post once again you will see that I
was speaking of the Alabama FANS when I said Bill Curry was
run out of town.  I said nothing of the UA administration.

If some of Boieng's customers had made death threats to my
family and thrown bricks through my windows I would conclude
that I was not wanted and seek employment elsewhere.

Jackie Wilson
Boeing Computer Support Services (with at least a 2 year contract :^)
Auburn Engineering '91




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From: gross@chagall.helios.nd.edu (george ross)
Subject: Re: KSU-KU question re: one-sided rivalries
Organization: University of Notre Dame (on the lake)
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:34:44 GMT

In article <1b4go7INNhef@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> jlance@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (J. Lance Porter) writes:
>
>Granted, the KSU-KU rivalry means zip to anyone else but

  no, no...wichita state fans love to watch the exciting ku-ksu
  matchup so we can laugh at both of you knowing you won't beat
  us again this year.
  (for those who don't know, wsu no longer has a football team)
  in addition, we get quite excited picking final score possiblities
  ku0 ksu0, ku-7 ksu0, ku0 ksu3...etc.  you get the idea.

>in the words of a local sportscaster, it's a big, big, big, 
>big, big game here in Kansas.
>
>K-Staters really hate KU.  The sunflower bowl (formerly 
>toilet bowl) is our biggest game, but KU fans seem
>to regard the KU-Missouri matchup as a bigger deal.  Why?
>
  i always assumed the rivalry was due to the problems
  between kansas and missouri during the civil war era.
  you all must have heard of 'bleeding kansas' and the
  border wars going on.  in fact, lawrence ks (site of ku,
  kwho for you k-staters) was literally burned to the 
  ground by missouri raiders.  this type of thing was 
  done by people on both sides of the border, and led
  to some very unpleasant feelings after the war was over.
>
>Other posts considered how one dominated team would tend
>to take a rivalry more seriously than the other, but that
>can't explain this one.  If it is basketball related, 
>why would KU care since they have (presumably) dominated MU.
>
>KU fans, please hate us as much as we hate you!
>
  while at wichita state, we always looked forward to the 
  ku-wsu basketball games with great excitement.  but if 
  you asked the ku alumni in the wichita area, they could
  care less.  for wsu, winning was a way of getting back for
  being the 'red-headed step child' in kansas.  if you ask
  two people from two different schools who there biggest
  rival is, they will almost never name each other. don't 
  know why.

  oh yeah...got to plug wsu...go shocks...baseball starts in
  only 4 months, omaha is only 8 months away...89 NatChamps

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From: ejohnson@cslewis.helios.nd.edu (eric johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: DIV II poll
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:02:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct14.180222.17072
Reply-To: ejohnson@cslewis.helios.nd.edu (eric johnson)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame


Can someone post the latest Div. II poll. Thanks in
advance.

Eric
From: tbreeden@afit.af.mil (Thomas A. Breeden)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:55:50 GMT

In article <jac1.718727428@Isis.MsState.Edu
>fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I think you are making some broad assumptions.  Tenn is GREAT and
>Alabama is playing TULANE.  You are also counting out Miss State, never
>know how things go.  Even a couple of years ago when Bama was great
>and State sucked,  State won the game.
>
Hah!  Arkansas sucks and they beat Tenn at Tenn!!!  What does that
tell you?

Couldn't resist,
Andy

Go Gators (yes, we suck too: 28 - 21 over LSU.  Ooooooo)


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 4-Oct
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:28:00 GMT

In article <16879BF0C.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>Did you forget that A&M *beat* Stanford?  For that matter, how can
>ND still be ranked higher than Stanford?  You've got a serious
>problem with your program.....

sigh...this is truly amazing...Okay, I challenge you to write a computer
program that ranks all the teams such that each team is ranked higher than all
the teams it beat and lower than all the teams it lost to.  In fact, I don't
even care if you write a program to do it...just compose the list yourself and
post it here.
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:45:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:

>Ten years ago?  In 1966 Ara Parsegian's Irish  beat the living crap out of John
>McKay's Trojans by the score of 61-0 and John McKay vowed never agin to lose to
>Notre Dame.  I'm not even sure if that was when the "friendliness"  left the 
>rivalry.

That score was 51-0, and John McKay's Trojans had a 5-1-2 record against
ND the rest of his career.

Right now, the biggest gripe at SC against Larry Smith is that he has 
yet to beat the Irish.

>     - Pat

Geaux Treauxjans!
Beat the Ducks!

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Need Pay-Per-View Info on College Football (Bay Area)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:15:57 GMT

jabbi@rembrandt.Eng.Sun.COM () writes:
>
>Anybody out there who's been successful in getting 
>college football games on pay-per-view in the 
>SF bay area? I called the local cable co. and they 
>know nothing 'bout it!!

I believe that Cable Co-op (Palo Alto, Menlo Park, etc?)
is selling the ABC PPV.  I think I saw their ads for it.

Their number is 415-858-8681.


--Gidi


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:45:22 GMT

apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:

>In article <dkm2.718918218@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>>apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:
>>
>>>In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>>>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>>>>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>>>>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>>>>then Miami #1. 
>>
>>>I agree with you on this.  This will be the most reliable data point to
>>>apply when comparing Miami and Washington.  Transitive properties simply
>>>don't work in College football.  BTW - Washington plays AT arizona.
>>
>>This is absurd.  Folloe this logic:
>>
>>LSU beat Mississippi State 24-3.
>>Mississippi State beat Florida 30-6.
>>
>>By your logic, LSU shoud have destroyed Florida.  Florida beat LSU 28-21.

>Obviously you didn't read my statement very carefully.  I said
>transitive properties (ie. A beats B and B beats C therefore A is better than
>C) DON'T WORK in college football.  Your example supports my statement.
>Arizona is a COMMON OPPONENT between Miami and Washington, and therefore
>a more valid data point.

Actually, I just want all of this Miami - Washington woofing to stop.  Until
the two teams play, it will continue.  Even if one team gets beat, they
will say the other still can not beat them.  Oh well.....

David

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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (long)
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.194256.3038@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder) writes:
>	Though I am an FSU fan I also thought the officials missed some very
>big calls that would have been in FSU's favor.  But all this aside, I must
>ask why does Miami hire an ACC officiating crew for a home game in the 
>Orange Bowl?  Is not Miami a member of the Big East?  Does not the Big East
>have officiating crews?  But the officiating aside, the game was exciting 
>as have been the last 10 or so with Miami coming out on top again.  Both
>teams played exceptionally well considering the ramifications of the game.
>
>
>			Dave.
>

Well, next year's game in Tallahassee will have all Big East officials. That's
the way the contract reads: Orange Bowl-All ACC officials, Doak Campbell
Stadium-All Big East officials.
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:42:05 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct13.233854.2232@u.washington.edu> sujan@stein.u.washington.edu writes:

> How about this scenario
> 
> Alabama loses to Tennesse
> Miami loses to Syracuse( They have good field goal kickers!)
> Washington beats Michigan in Rose Bowl
> 
> then I wonder who will be the National Champ?????
> :)

  Texas A&M, because:

1.  A&M finds its offense and proceeds to wreak havoc for the remainder of the
    season.
2.  Washington loses to Stanford!  Go Cardinal!
3.  A&M beats its Cotton Bowl opponent, who should be in the top 10 at least,
    and likely the top 5.

  Hey, it could happen!  Woof, woof.  And a REALLY BIG :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Obnoxious Maryland TD Celebrations
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:50:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.125626.27080@software.org> oconnor@software.org (Jim  
O'Connor) writes:
> Yes. At one time Maryland served drinks in the plastic stadium cups, but it
> became common practice for the student section to use the cups as ammunition
> in "Cup Wars". In these battles the students would lob the plastic cups at
> each other for 5 to 10 minutes at a time (sometimes entire sections would be
> involved). Looking on from the other side of the stadium it looked as if a
> huge flock of birds was attacking the students. Apparently, too many people
> were getting drenched, injured or both. Hence, drinks are now served in the 
> lighweight (waxed) paper cups.

One of these cup wars at Duke prevented most fans from noticing the
winning touchdown during the victory over Clemson in 1989.  Not a
football school.

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From: aholdern@zeus.calpoly.edu (Andrejs Abolins Holderness)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: If Michigan had played to win....
Keywords: Michigan-ND
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:31:23 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Oct11.161933.73483@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.082529.11987@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>>In article <BvpyHw.Bv9@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>
>>>own house 51-31. Then we heard how Washout U should be number 1 because they
>>>beat those BAD Nebraska boys and Michigan. Wasn't Nebraska the same team Miami
>>>shut down completely in the Orange Bowl ? And Miami did win over FSU in their
>>>stadium !    
>>>
>>...
>>>Or when Washington is thumping their chests because they beat the huskers
>>>it counts for so much more than Miami shutting them down completely ?
>>>
>>>Justin Frederich - Cane Fan Since 1970
>>
>>Wake up!  The Orange Bowl was a close game. Miami was unimpressive. Wonder
>>why they didn't choose a better Bowl opponent? Penn State would have given
>>them trouble.
>>Washington did have an impressive win in the Rose Bowl. 
>>Miami was lucky to share the NC.
>
>
>Which Orange Bowl game were you watching???  It wasn't close.  Miami was
>able to beat a Penn State team that is argueably better this year than it
>was last year, and they beat them at PSU, instead of the Orange Bowl.  What
>makes you think Penn State would have beat them last year???
>-- 
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 Both nebraska and Arizona said that Washington was the better team last year.
It was a travesty that Washington had to share the title with an inferior team 
I'm sure everyone will agree that this years husky team isn't even close to the
incredible team of last year...but they'd still kick the shit out of miami!
From: gjoslin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UT QB: Shea Morenz
Keywords: Blue Jays
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:05:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	I'd like some information concerning the situation Shea Morenz
was in before he attended fall classes at Texas.
	
	I know the Blue Jays lost their rights to sign him to a minor
league contract the moment he stepped into a classroom. Was it possible
for him to sign a contract to play during next summer in the Jay's
farm system and also attend Texas and play college football?

Related Question: What is the total hours per year that	scholarship
        athletes are required to pass to remain eligible and how long
	has this been in effect?
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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Need words to Stanford fight song
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:43:19 GMT

bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.202919.18226@a.cs.okstate.edu> hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
>>Could someone quickly mail me the words to the Stanford fight song.
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Brad

>Which Stanford fight song?  When I was there they had three songs that
>were used a lot, but I wouldn't call any one of them a true "fight"
>song.  The closest one to that would probably "All Right Now".  I don't
>think "Come Join the Band" or "Hail Stanford Hail" count.  

"Come Join the Band" counts.  "Hail" is the school alma mater --
different genre entirely.  But "All Right Now" is the fight song we
play most of the time.

>Care to voice an opinion on this, Yvonne?


>Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
>Sun Microsystems		   "You've got to stand for something,
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