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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:33:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.215710.19443@eecs.nwu.edu> changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang) writes:
>I read an public letter from Legislator Chu to President Lee on World Journal
>(Jan. 21). It was part of a campaign  calling for the resignation of Lee as the
>chairman of KMT. Since uncle Hau has expressed his interest of taking over 
>secretary of the KMT(or whatever the title is), it makes one think that if this
>is another start of power struggle within the KMT? (Rumor has it that legislator
>Chu has been comrade of ex-premier Lee ??? If this is true, then the timing of 
>this letter is more interesting.)

Chu has been a comrade of no one.  He's way too unreasonable, IMO.  He broke
away from the DPP at the height of his popularity, and now, he couldn't even
come in first in his home county.  (But I am digressing.)

>No matter what Mr. Chu's motive is, he did have a point. After five years in
>power, Mr. Lee has disappointed me in many aspects. Five years and 4 pirme
>ministers? There's got to be something wrong. Either Mr. Lee is too difficult
>to work for or he is a lousy boss that he just can't find the right guy.

I disagree.  These prime ministers have all been pressed on him, pretty much,
by the other factions within the party.  It's only natural that he'd want to
look for someone not against him.

>As unpredictable, that is good for emperor, but it is bad for President. What is
>the big deal if the news media guess right? Strong man era has passed, we don't
>need another strong man Lee.

Well, Bill Clinton came in with his own set of departmental secretaries.  Does
that make him a dictator?

>After the election, has Mr. Lee shown any sign of responsibility or shame? With
>such a huge defeat, even the sameless Japanese politician will be forced to
>regisne.Instead, Mr. Lee speed up his manipulation as if nothing has happened.

Because the losses were probably not his fault?

>It seemed that Mr. Sung who resigned after the election will even be promoted! 
>If he has this kind of strong will and this kind of power, then he has no excuse
>but to take the full responsibility of the failure of refinement of Constitution
>How about the book his wife published, that is disgusting.
>I think that we have to watch over what Mr. Lee is going to do now, we cannot
>tolerat what he did simply becaus he is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not going back
>and Mr. Lee certainly can't not be another Strong Man.

Lee is hardly a perfect president, but I think you have given him way too
little credit.  He hasn't really had the support within the party to carry
out the programs that he would have wanted to carry out (if any).
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: woman
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:43:07 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1993Jan23.015146.25098@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <6529@balrog.ctron.com> chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang) writes:
>>                         HE WORKS and SHE WORKS
>>
>>HE'S having lunch with the boss:       SHE'S having lunch with the boss:
>>He's on his way up.                    They must be having an affair.
>
>But if the boss is female:
>He must be sleeping his way up. :)
>
But that would then again be considered
smart. Especially if she (the boss) is 
pretty. Wouldn't it? He gets the lady
*and* the job.

>-- Chien-Chung Chen

Greetings,
MCR 1/23/93
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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:17:57 GMT


In article <C17sB9.JGG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes...
>
>You seem to have misunderstood my intention here. From your name I
>deduced that your are of Chinese origin (right?) and so I would think
>that, as a Chinese "patriot" (might sound too strong, sorry), one would
>of course fly with a Chinese airline. Instead, you flew with United. 
>My statement "Way to go, United was more or less ironic, from that point
>of view. It's of course difficulot to express oneself via the net. The
>spoken word would allow for better intonation, etc.

I am from Taiwan. I usually fly with United because United flies five 
Continents so the mileage I have accumulated can be used for those areas and 
the service is fine. Unfortunately, China Airline's mileage plan does not 
seem to be very useful, otherwise, I would certainly consider to take it.

As to "patriotism", Sometimes I think too much patriotism can only hurt 
ourselves. If Americans only buy American cars because of patriotism then 
those three automakers might have never improved the quality of their cars.

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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: RE: Chu's Letter
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:04:12 GMT


In article <1jva6cINN5cb@shelley.u.washington.edu>, cache@carson.u.washington.edu (Chung-Ho Chen) writes...
>
>I guess the untold story might be that Lee is forced to choose someone 
>out of compromise. 

I dont think Lee was forced to choose Hau. Everyone was surprised at his 
choice two years ago. Most likely, Lee wanted so-called "non-mainstream" 
support but also wanted the unity of two factions at that time.

>Now everytime  he wants to choose or organize the people who can work
>with him, the World Jounal seems to indicate that Lee  is a dictator
>who wants to determine everything by his own. I think World Journal
>has been biased toward Lee and favored Hau. But think twice, who
>is the elected President now? 

It is very common in US the newpaper takes the position. It is nothing wrong
if WJ favors Hau, I think. Central Daily as well as other newspapers favor
Lee.

Hau has decided to resign but the argument is how to resign. I dont know 
who from Lee's side gave bad advice to Lee to ask Hau resign under his 
personal reason such as too old too sick, etc and not go through Central 
Standing Committee as usual. Hau felt it as personal humiliation. Then 
Lee's people offered some silly position within KMT to Hau. Now Hau is 
asking General Secretary position of KMT. Not going through Central Standing
Committe has upset some members also. What's mess. 

If I were Lee, I will just send Hau's resignation to the Central Standing 
Committe for discussion and say it is time for new Premier who can handle
fast-changing Taiwan political climate. No other job offering within KMT 
to Hau. It is not a bribery and KMT is not a charity organization.

I think Lee has right to choose his premier who can get along with him. But 
the "right" person probably has to be "yes, man" kind of person. At least
the person cannot be too opinionate like Hau.

I think the problem for Lee is that Lee does not want to play a bad guy.
But as a President, he must be tough and decisive.

I am wondering if the current system is not appropriate. The president is 
behind the scene to make decision and the Premier carries out his decision 
but takes blame if thing goes wrong. That is what has been happening to Hau.
Hau says he sometimes has to "guess" what Lee really wants. 

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From: ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou)
Subject: Re: woman
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:13:47 GMT

In article <C1BFrv.IJI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.015146.25098@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>In article <6529@balrog.ctron.com> chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang) writes:
>>>                         HE WORKS and SHE WORKS
>>>
>>>HE'S having lunch with the boss:       SHE'S having lunch with the boss:
>>>He's on his way up.                    They must be having an affair.
>>
>>But if the boss is female:
>>He must be sleeping his way up. :)
>>
>But that would then again be considered
>smart. Especially if she (the boss) is 
>pretty. Wouldn't it? He gets the lady
>*and* the job.
>
>>-- Chien-Chung Chen
>
>Greetings,
>MCR 1/23/93

Who says he gets the job?  

cc

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: hch@CCCA.NCTU.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Subject: Re: public/commercial internet sites in Taipei, Taiwan??
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:27:16 GMT

Mu Hong Lin (mu@terapin.com) wrote:
: I now know the some of Taiwan's universities are on the net.  But are there any
: puclic or commercial internet sites in Taipei, Taiwan?

TANet(Taiwan Academic Network) is only for academic community in Taiwan.
Commercial sites are on SEEDNET.  To check them, try this:

% nslookup
> server moevax.edu.tw
> ls com.tw
> (ctrl-D to exit)

Regards,
--
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
TWNEWS Moderator, NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Maintainer
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: RE: Chu's Letter
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:44:49 GMT


In article <1993Jan25.151953.9960@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes...
> 
>	Since I am biased against Lee long before he became Taiwan
>	governor, I buy this analysis. Particularly, my impression
>	of him got worse with his choice of the vice president.
>	I think he put Taiwan in danger by choosing a weak vice
>	president and an opinionated premier given that the political
>	situation at the time were very unsettle. He did not put Taiwan's
>	benefit in front of his IMO. But since I am biased, my opinion
>	is probably a bit far from truth.

I was too surprised he chose another Lee as his vice president. Something 
mysterious about President Lee. :-) He is quiet but will do something surprise
people. After several Premiers, it becomes clear that under Lee the Premier 
should not be opinionate and can follow the instruction. Otherwise, the 
personality clash can happen again. It is not Hau or Lee Hwan's faults. 
Those premiers have been in the politics long before Lee so it is not easy to 
control them. They have their opinion. Otherwise, Hau is not Hau, Lee Hwan is 
not Lee Hwan. It seems to me that Lin Yang-Gang can get along better with 
those veteran KMTers. 

>	As for the current power struggle, I think it again is failed
>	by the interpretation of the Constition: whether the president
>	should be responsbile for the executive branches or s/he only
>	has the right to nominate? Because this interpretation continues
>	to be undermined, the political system will continue to struggle
>	with personalities as we see it now. At this stage, the country
>	is actually run by the president but with no explicit political
>	liability hence the strong man implication.
> 
>	Lee may not intend to be a strong man, but he is in the position
>	of correcting the system and yet only take advantages of the
>	broken system. Certainly Lee did have remarkable achievements in
>	his presidency and should be recognized.

I am wondering something wrong with Lee's people, no political wisdom?
They have been giving bad advice to Lee for several years.

I think Lee does not have political ambition as a strong man. But his 
scholar background can make him stubborn. Very often the intellectuals
think they are always right, or less willing to listen those less-educated.
I heard Lee does not like party worker (Dan-Kung) and prefer to be with
those who are educated in the West. His hobby is also very different from 
other politicans. He likes western classical music but not Beijing opera at 
all. He seems to have little in common with those old politicans.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:11:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.061852.24099@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu ( ) writes:
>The point is that we should kick the pig-skin colored asshole's stinking
>ass instead of arguing among each other.
>
>Xin Nian Kuai Le. It's always very cool to be a Tang Ren.  Don't let those
>wimpy white trashes tell you otherwise.

Please take this racist trash off these groups.  We are often victims of
racism; don't propagate it ourselves.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: RE: Chu's Letter
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:19:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.021410.23501@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>In article <1jva6cINN5cb@shelley.u.washington.edu>, cache@carson.u.washington.edu (Chung-Ho Chen) writes...
>>
>>I guess the untold story might be that Lee is forced to choose someone 
>>out of compromise. 
>
>I dont think Lee was forced to choose Hau. Everyone was surprised at his 
>choice two years ago. Most likely, Lee wanted so-called "non-mainstream" 
>support but also wanted the unity of two factions at that time.

	Since I am biased against Lee long before he became Taiwan
	governor, I buy this analysis. Particularly, my impression
	of him got worse with his choice of the vice president.
	I think he put Taiwan in danger by choosing a weak vice
	president and an opinionated premier given that the political
	situation at the time were very unsettle. He did not put Taiwan's
	benefit in front of his IMO. But since I am biased, my opinion
	is probably a bit far from truth.

	As for the current power struggle, I think it again is failed
	by the interpretation of the Constition: whether the president
	should be responsbile for the executive branches or s/he only
	has the right to nominate? Because this interpretation continues
	to be undermined, the political system will continue to struggle
	with personalities as we see it now. At this stage, the country
	is actually run by the president but with no explicit political
	liability hence the strong man implication.

	Lee may not intend to be a strong man, but he is in the position
	of correcting the system and yet only take advantages of the
	broken system. Certainly Lee did have remarkable achievements in
	his presidency and should be recognized.

Yung-Kao Hsu

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From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Entertainment Tonight (1/18/93)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:43:23 GMT

In article <mu.3ee0@terapin.com> mu@terapin.com (Mu Hong Lin) writes:
>
>I used to love Bruce Lee's movies when I was little.  But now when I look at
>it, I sort of want to laugh...  He literally kills everyone with one punch;
>except for the boss.
>
>If you check out H.K's recent releases, such as "Once uppon China" I, II, and
>III, you know that there is a new "Lee" out there.  Supposely he's the Bruce
>Lee os the 90's.  He's pretty raw!
>
>frank mu-hong lin
>mu@terapin.com


Glad that we are talking about the men instead of the movies.
(Hate to defend Bruce Lee's movies.)  I don't know how well 
Lee Lian Jeh fights, but Bruce Lee was very close to his 
movie form in real life.  After Bruce died, a bunch of trashy 
movies about him were thrown together and the stupid me 
watched most of them.  One had a short piece of black and 
white showing Lee in a tournament.  He fought just like in 
the movie.  He danced around and kicked his poor opponent 
at the throat once.  That was the only attack he launched 
and his opponent had to be carried away.  I am still very 
impressed.

As to knocking down someone with a single hit, I think it is 
closer to the reality than the other way around, especially 
if the movie shows a clean hit.  Have you noticed that Bruce 
rarely got hit in the movie?  When he did, he looked really 
******.

Eric

PS:

Lee Lian Jeh won a tournament or something in China 
several years ago and became famous after staring a 
Shiao Lin Temple movie.  Then he went quiet for a long 
time and now is popular again.  What happened when he
lay dormant?  Where are the other winners of that thing? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:10:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.160052.2114@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.144519.9995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>	I disagree. "Politics is a subtle way to cheat" is correct.
>
>Let me put it this way:
>
>   While politics *should not* be involved with cheating, nowadays it
>   has become a fact that politics *is* a subtle way to cheat.
>
>I guess both of us are happy this way. :)
>
>-- Chien-Chung Chen


"Politics is a subtle way to cheat" is just a cynical comment.
But many people will agree with it because they can always find
something that has been compromised.

Politics deals with things that concern many people who have
different agenda and priorities.  The most politics can do is 
to please most of the people most of the time.  Some will 
always be left out and they can feel being cheated.  

(Of course there are cases that people are purposely cheated 
but that is another story.)

To say politics is a subtle way to cheat is to enhance the myth 
that politics is dirty and it is not for everyone.  To me politics
can be boiled down to one thing - participation by vote.  With 
the voters' eyes and ears open it will be more and more difficult 
for politicians to cheat.  If that still happens, we just need to
try harder the next time.

Eric
From: chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:51:40 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <C1A5oM.Dqp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
> with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32
> bits in PC is a grad student's term project.

It is easier said than done, looking back how far the US computer
hardwares have come since the 8-bit, or 16-bit, machines.

I am not familiar with the Taiwan computer industry.  But I am not
surprised to learn that Taiwanese computer scientists were the first
ones using 32-bit words just for a simple word processor, considering
the use of Chinese characters.  Of course, the same can be true for
the Japanese and the Chinese (i.e. Mainlanders) since they all have
the same interest and challenge in this respect.  It is fair to say
that this kind of development is pretty much localized.

Sure, we students in the US can do this as a term project.  The
students in Taiwan et. al. do it for real market need.

Chuan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:18:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.215710.19443@eecs.nwu.edu> changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang) writes:
>I read an public letter from Legislator Chu to President Lee on World Journal
>(Jan. 21)...

If this article is about the position of KMT Chairman, then I think it's
KMT's own business and am not interested in it at all. If this is about
the position of ROC President, then I don't see why Mr. Lee should resign
or what because of the outcome of last year's election. Whether his wife
wrote a disgusting book is irrelevant to his Presidency.

And peosonally I don't consider Lee as a strong man. A real strong man is
like old Chiang. If Lee is a strong man, then there would be many people
singing in "Green Island" for criticizing him.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.thai
Subject: Model UN Conference in the Czech Republic
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:51:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Survey of international students
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:11:45 GMT
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This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.

I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
before or after you joined the school.

Thanks for your help.

Vinita
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