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From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Starting a Youth nudist group
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:01:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green) writes:

>An aside -- When I was in high school back in the '60s, Regis Philbin (who
>worked for a TV station here in San Diego at the time) came to our school 
>and spoke on the evils of a magazine called "Teenage Nudists."

What did he say was evil about it?

Who put out such a magazine anyway?
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Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:15:32 GMT
 <3947@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <1992Jul29.220540.7579@mdd.comm.mot.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul29.220540.7579@mdd.comm.mot.com>, prager@mdd.comm.mot.com (David Prager) writes:

> I can't argue the merits of drinking lots of water, but I thought "prunism"
> was just the opposite. When in fresh (unsalted) water, your body (nominally
> salty) absorbs water and prunes. In salt water you don't prune too much at
> all. Isn't that why we soak injuries in epsom salt (hypertonic) solution
> to remove excess fluids and therefor swelling?

Good question!  I do know that when in a hot tub I lose water because I
perspire.

But if we do absorb water and "prune out", I'm not sure how good it would be
to "absorb" water filled with Bromine!

Terry

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From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: The Topfree States
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:44:35 GMT
Keywords: NY Court Ruling Footnotes



wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>>	Indecency statute prohibits exposure of genitals only:
>>		Texas

> 	I'm sorry, but it's not illegal to be nude in Texas.  . . .

and

tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming) writes:
> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>>	Indecency statute prohibits exposure of genitals only:
>>		California

>     Well, I thought that it was illegal if you were exposing yourself
> with intent to be offensive (or some such).

and

an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes:
>>	Indecency statute prohibits exposure of genitals only:
>>		California
> I think nude is legal in CA.
>>		Kentucky
> As far as I know, nude is legal in KY.
>>		Texas
> I could be wrong, but nude is legal in TX.


OK, folks.  As I said, all I did was summarize the citations from 
the NY court ruling.  That portion of the ruling follows:

#     It is notable that, other jurisdictions have taken the position 
# that breasts are not "private parts" and that breast exposure is not 
# indecent behavior [*15]   (Citations from Ohio, North Carolina, and
# Hawaii), and twenty-two states specifically confine their statutory 
# public exposure prohibitions to uncovered genitalia.  Footnote 4.
#  
# Footnote 4: Citations from Alaska, California, Colorado, Idaho,
# Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska,
# New Hampshire, North Dakota, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon,
# Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin,

Anyways, the point of my posting was to show those states
that (at least) allowed topfree.

Bob
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex at CO site
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:20:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <15c246INNmfq@network.ucsd.edu>, middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

> But I believe our goals are to open up as much public (and private,
> for that matter) land to nude and clothing optional use as possible.  Along
> with that I think we share the goal that nudity is not just an excuse for
> sex.  Having sex at a public CO area is wrong and indefensible because it
> undermines those goals.  

I agree.

Having sex on a "nude" beach is no different than, say, having sex at a
bowling alley.  Except that there's nobody fighting to close down bowling
alleys.

Not yet anyway.

I think that most of us are in agreement that being nude does not imply a
sexual purpose.  I think it's great if somebody's found a bowling alley that
they can have sex at, but it's not the primary purpose for the bowling alley.

If Dan "Family Values" Quayle finds out about sex at bowling alleys he'll
want a ban on bowling.

So, while I have nothing against it, sex really has no bearing on nude beaches
or bowling alleys.  Please don't have sex at bowling alleys or nude beaches.

At least until after the November elections. ;-)

Terry "my appologies to non-USA readers" Wood
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 00:42:58 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr> s_mesbah@engr writes:
>Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
>sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
>heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
>control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
>would drive me nuts!  Just curious


	Sexual behaviour where it offends the space of others is typically
frowned-upon at CO beaches, as it is elsewhere.  And it's too bad about your
lack of self-control;  perhaps you should avoid CO beaches.

	How old are you???


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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: Re: I am wondering...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:48:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

darkroom@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen G Bowman) writes:

>  I have never been to a CO facility before, but I do often go around my
>  apartment in the nude infront of my room mates, I have been skinny dipping
>  with friends in a creek in the woods and I have posed nude for art classes.
>  My question is...are erections considered taboo at CO places?  I have never
>  really thought about it until recently when I almost had one while skinny
>  dipping with friends, and I began to wonder if people were offended by this
>  or if it was considered to be human nature and ignored until the person
>  relaxed...

Certainly it should not be any different at the CO beach vs. the creek in
the woods.  The difference might be that your friends might not have the
experience to know that it is not supposed to make a difference.  Unless
everyone at the CO beach just happens to be new to this at the same time
I am sure it would have to work out better there.

And of course there are many times postings here on rec.nude describe what
to do about these rare situations.
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From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nude swimming question
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:09:07 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.nude, pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
>Among ather funny things, he describes a small catfish called vandella
>(sp??) which is allegedly attracted by a smell of urine. He claims that the
>fish enters genitalia channels and can't go away anymore.

>Can anybody comment?

Comment:   Yiiikkkkeeesss!!!  Ow ow ow ow ow....

    This fis story is a wives tale. An ichtheologist (sp) friend of 
mine tells it all the time, but when pressed admits it's a hoax.

Tim Smith
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Lingerie Modeling - clarification?
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:49:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <817@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:

> Hello netters,

> I am not sure whether my inquiry belongs to this group or not, but
> anyhow I will ask it. I recently saw an Ad. in a local magazine
> under Adult Entertinement, saying Lingerie Models are available
> for private entertinement. My question is what's all this about?
> Is it anything to do with sex?

Has somebody changed the charter for this group and not told me? ;-)

Terry
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From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Easy Access To Black Beach
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:40:53 GMT
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <gj57753@pro-harold.cts.com>, Lee Dronick writes:

> >Considering that cops can come along and force the people there to were
> clothes or be ticketed whenever they want, I'd say you were wrong about
> this one (though I wish you were right). There is no legal status for
> nudity on Black's (at least part of which is city beach, not state) 
> 
> That might just be enough to have the anti-nudity laws re-repealed. 
> Consider several hundred or perhaps thousands of peacful folks demanding a
> full jury trial when they are arrested.  Go to jail?  Not likely
> considering you can do all sorts of violant crimes and still not get put
> into jail, there simply isn't room. It all might come down to money as it
> would cost to much to prosecute nudity offenses while innocent bystanders
> are getting shot up during drive by shootings.

Now that's an idea that might just work! When you've got an opportunity
to use the system against itself... 

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From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New York, Nudity, and Women
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:15:30 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <3593@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.032242.17785@leland.Stanford.EDU>, dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>> I'm wondering how long it will be before some women decide 
>> they like being topless but they shouldn't have to put up 
>> with the gawking this can attract from some men.
>
>I heard this comment on the news just the other day.  A woman was going on
>and on about how she'd like to go topless, but the MEN were preventing her
>by looking.

I am amused by this sort of argument.  Many people use the expression
"There is no Constitutional right to not be offended" to belittle those
who are against seeing women's breasts in a non-sexual manner, then turn
right around and say women should have the right to be free from being
offended by people looking at their breasts.  You can't have it both ways.

This morning one of the top-free seven (who are from Rochester) was on the
radio, and I was surprised at how even handedly she dealt with this issue.
She greatly downplayed the staring issue, saying that it was just a natural 
reaction to societal conditioning that would fade as soon as the novelty
wore off.  She was vehemently opposed to having designated topless areas,
becaude this both reinforces the breast=sex object conditioning, and removes
the equality that was the whole point of the court's decision.

I was ready for a man-hating raving feminist, but was pleasently surprised
at her reasonableness.  I guess I've been reading too much soc.men :-)

At any rate, to address the issue of making topless zones on beaches.  
I do not see how legislation of this sort would be any more constitutional
then the state law struck down by the NY Court of Appeals, unless it
applied equally to both men and women.  Will men start wearing those
full top bathing suits again just so they can "take their family to a beach
without having their children see naked breasts"?  I don't think so.

-Brian
   cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude,talk.bizarre
From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Is your Worm a Worm
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:11:01 GMT

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>from rec.nude:
>>I was at the lake recently (bible belt south carolina must wear swim
>>suit lake) and there were a whole lot of fish in this lake coming up
>>nipping at me and at all the other people.  Nothing bad, just some brim
>>nipping......... If I were to swim nude in this lake I
>>might find it rather discomforting if some of the bigger fish mistake my
>>worm for a worm and go at it.  Anyone ever have a problem with this?  Do
>>choose a lake that is low on nipping fish or what?  Is there something
>>analogous to the "Bat Shark Repelent" to use?

>If your penis looks so much like an earthworm that fish mistake the two,
>perhaps you should just avoid nude beaches altogether??
>-rob

You gutless weenie.  Here is your article cross-posted back to rec.nude.

"Let the games begin!"
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: prager@mdd.comm.mot.com (David Prager)
Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
Organization: Cowboy Rhodesian Ridgebacks
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:05:40 GMT

In article <3947@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
>In article <qgnmxnf@lynx.unm.edu>, sday@lacerta.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT) writes:
>
>I was hot tubbing this weekend and I didn't think to drink enough water.
>Suddenly, I noticed how dizzy and disoriented I felt.  It then occurred to
>me that I'd been sitting in this tub, I looked like a prune and I hadn't
>put any of the water back into my body.  Drinking alchohol (and that includes
>wine and wine coolers) only makes the situation worse.
>
I can't argue the merits of drinking lots of water, but I thought "prunism"
was just the opposite. When in fresh (unsalted) water, your body (nominally
salty) absorbs water and prunes. In salt water you don't prune too much at
all. Isn't that why we soak injuries in epsom salt (hypertonic) solution
to remove excess fluids and therefor swelling?

Inquiring minds want to know?

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Starting a Youth nudist group
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:55:35 GMT

				another member of Naturist Rochester and
i are currently involved in setting up a " collegiate offshoot " of NR .
( sort of a " college student " SIG . ) we are both students at
Rochester Institute of Technology , and are looking for contacts at
other schools in the Rochester , NY area . anyone ?

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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Lake Wood
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:47:53 GMT

   
Well, I made my annual pilgrimage to Lake Wood last week. In my
opinion it's still the nicest place in New England, nice crowd of
locals at the CO part, nice textile beach as well, surrounded by
woods with trails for hiking, parking within an easy walk from
the beach. The crowd is maybe 60% male 40% female, 30% older
people, the rest young, about 25% of the people on the CO portion 
stay dressed.  Because  of the trees the place isn't really sunny
'til about 10:00AM. Saturday night there were quite a few people
dropping by for a quick skinny dip off the rocks. Plus there are logs
floating out in the lake people use for rafts and to push around 
and jump on and off of.


Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ray@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (william c ray)
Subject: Western US hot springs/out of the way locations
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:05:36 GMT

My wife and I will be off soon for a 3 week vacation around the western US.
(SD, WY, UT, AZ, NM, NV, CO), and I was wondering if there were any
out of the way hot-springs, or good skinnydipping locations that
anyone would like to share.  Since this is mostly a photography/
rockhounding trip, we won't have time for much more than day-hikes,
but we are going 4WD, so we can at least get a little further from
civilization and the winnie-bagles before we start hiking.

Thanks for any info.

Will Ray
wcr@rsch.oclc.org
ray@cis.ohio-state.edu


(yes, I'm aware that the FAQ has information on a couple western US
books w/ resorts, etc, but we're not interested in resorts or populated
areas, the less likely we are to see another human face, the better)



Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Easy Access To Black Beach
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:58:02 GMT

In article <25cmllk.tcumming@netcom.com> tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming) writes:
>
>    If I or "my beach" was in trouble because of CO activity, how would I
>go about legal recourse? I have a good job, I own a house, etc., but I do
>not have money to hire lawyers, to leave my job for court apearences, etc.
>
>   What does one do?

				contact the Naturist Action Committee .
they'll help mobilize others and lobby for CO freedom .

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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:11:13 GMT

In article <Bs3ss0.766@xrtll.uucp>, stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul26.212559.1@engr> s_mesbah@engr writes:
|> >Just a question for the readers of this group.  Is there many occurrences of
|> >sexual behaviour on nude beaches.  The reason I ask is that I am 100%
|> >heterosexual to the core and if I went to a nudist beach I wouldn't be able to
|> >control my sexual drive.  Being just inches away from penetrating a female
|> >would drive me nuts!  Just curious
|> 
|> Your question demonstrates one of the main problems of our society. Namely
|> that men "have no control over their sexual urges".  It is a sickening
|> excuse which I have often heard for everything including rape. 
|> Men are rational, thinking humans and like women, can control their sexual
|> urges.  Sexual drive is NOT an acceptable reason for men to selfishly do
|> what they want.  Many laws were made by men to control women because they
|> claim men can't control themselves.  How can you take freedom away from
|> someone because another insists on thinking with his hormones instead of
|> his brain?
|> 
|> If you can't control yourself, please seek professional help.  This is
|> not a normal condition.  You need either physiological or psychological
|> treatements.
|> 
|> Stephane
|> 


C'mon, Stephane, lighten up.  I suspect that Mr. "Just Curious" suffers
mainly from a condition you no doubt never had to endure -- immaturity.
His only "crime" here was a bad choice of words (IMHO).  I imagine he was
referring to involuntary erections.  They happen at night, in the shower,
in restrooms.....and the younger we are, the more they plague us.   It's
not a matter of control.  I suppose we could be drugged, and maybe surgery
is a possibility.  There are probably many in the general population who
would advocate one or both of these "cures" (just what did you mean by
"physiological treatments," Stephane?).

Unlike you, I'm going to avoid calling the words of one poster a 
demonstration of "one of the main problems of our society."  It's one of
those vague generalizations that thinking people avoid.   I'm more concerned
about your (hysterical?) reaction to the words of "Just Curious."

It's clear that you have a "cause."  That's fine.  But if you really want it
to succeed, I strongly suggest that you make an attempt to understand your
opponent a little bit better.  I also suggest that you do some thinking for
yourself.  I've heard your words a thousand times.

A final word on cures.  If what you read in this newsgroup bothers you so
much, there is a quick cure.  Don't read it.

Mike Lynch


  
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: naturist@igc.org (Pat O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Starting a Youth nudist group
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:09:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul20.040549.20286@minyos.xx:829232126:cdp:1457200019:000:113
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Jul 29 18:09:00 1992


Bote,
	Where you be. Never hear from you. Give a call when you get a chance
and let's catch up on NAC stuff.
Pat
From: atmrjga@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Very punny!
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:47:09 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul21.085616.24443@unixg.ubc.ca>, arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arn
ett) writes:
> 
> Nicole Parton (a local columnist and unsuccessful politician who I've
> never had much respect for) in her column today (headline was the 3rd
> one I quoted above) said in part:
> 
>   "...Keep your shirts on, ladies.  The world has plenty of burning
>   issues and bras aren't one of them. [sic] 

I can see why Bill doesn't have much respect for this columnist. Apart from
the fact that I would have thought sex discrimination *is* a burning 
issue, I imagine that women protesting about not being able to take off
as much clothing as men are not just concerned about being hassled by the
police. They are all too often likely to be hassled by members of the 
public, too.

Recently a female friend of mine (who usually wears jeans and jackets)
decided to wear a fairly revealing dress to go to a drinks party. She 
received wolf whistles, leers, suggestive comments, and later in the
evening was followed by a man, which was all fairly unpleasant, not to
say frightening.

All this was a result of her not keeping as much of her body covered as she
normally does. 

Gwen Jacobs and her fellow demonstrators are of course not going to
eliminate this sort of problem overnight. But at least they're helping to
highlight the problem. It's bad enough that women should feel 
more threatened by wearing less, without having the law against
them as well.

        Right, well I've said my bit. Now back to work...
         
               Roop.