From: csulaima@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Cynthia Renee Sulaiman)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice=Pro-Life
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:48:16 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Jul31.013623.5859@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:

>   You're full of shit.  A lame attempt to twist choice into some
>sort of 'right to choose to kill a child.'  Who are you trying to
>kid?  Is any of your post a lie?  Is ALL of it a lie?  Is it okay
>in your religion to fabricate and express a position on something
>when you don't believe it yourself?  Don't you fear the flames of


Let me ask you a few questions.  Do you believe that if the life of
the mother is in danger, if she continues to carry the child, then it
she should still carry the child to term?

By forcing her to carry the child, aren't you then murdering her?

If you voted for and support the current administration, that has cut
programs designed to help feed, and clothe, and educate children, children
that might otherwise have been aborted (if public money were available for
abortions), then don't you have a responsibility to them?  Don't you have
a responsibility for the current condition of their lives?

Let's remember that middle class and upper class women can still get abortions.
Even if you overturn Roe v. Wade many of these women will just go to a country
where it is legal. You're not going to stop that.  The only women you've
penalized by current anti-abortion
tactics are the poor....many of these women for whom having another child
locks them into the cycle of poverty.

You have already forced these woman, in effect, to have children.  And then to
add insult to injury you have supported an administration that has either cut
or taken away entirely those programs which either offer hope of ending the
cycle, or provide a base line of care so that they don't end up in the streets.

It seems your stand on "right to life" ends when the child is born...for
you don't seem to care about that life afterward.   

Before you tout adoption as the way for mothers who would otherwise have
abortions, let's remember that only white *babies* with no disabilities are 
guaranteed placement.  Minority children, children with disabilities,
children with AIDS, etc.  are more diffciult to place in adoptive families.
Many are never placed at all.

How many minority children, children with disabilities and children with
AIDS are you planning on adopting?  How many have all your "right to lifers"
leaders adopted?

It has been my experience that Pro-Choice people adopt or become foster families
to far more.

On last thing, if you are going to force mothers whose fetuses have been 
diagnosed as having ancephaly (no brains) to carry to full term, then you
and your groups should totally foot the bill.  And if you are going to 
add to the pain of not allowing the parents to decide to let the child die
a few days early, so that its organs can be donated to another infant who
if getting the organs CAN live beyond the first year -- then your not really
pro-LIFE at all, are you?

Oh btw, ancephaly is on the increase in the Rio Grande Valley, in Texas.  Most
cases are found next to the river itself...and surprisingly(!) there is an
increase of industrial pollutes as big companies move from here to there to 
get away from laws of proper disposal of industrial wastes....hmm, what 
country and what administration was it that made headlines when it refused
to sign a treaty concerning international enviromental problems and 
solutions???

Never heard the Pro-lifers get on the band wagon about that....it was us
"liberals" and "leftest" who did.

Cynthia Sulaiman
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"While a number of us will never elect to have an abortion, we should never
deny that right to other individuals.  This is a free country, and we must be
forever vigilant to protect our freedoms."  -- Sabrae Jenkins

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>Eternal Damnation?  We are talking about a Commandment, you know.
>Be careful.  You don't know what you're risking!

At least I'm not guilty of hypocrasy....what was it the Jesus said 
about hypocrits?

:-)
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