HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Goldfish
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:25:14 GMT

I'm a newcomer to this fish business, so I'd like to ask a couple of questions
about *cold* water tanks. I'll shortly be moving to a new office, where,
unlike the present one, I may be able to set up a small tank (24x12x15 tops!).
I don't want the 'hassle' of setting up thermostats and aerators, etc. in the
office so I wondered about a cold water tank for goldfish.

How many fish could I keep in such a tank?
What sorts of (non-fancy) goldfish are there?
Are there any species other than goldfish to keep in such a tank?

I looked in our local libraries, and they seem to be very light on
informatio about cold water aquaria, except for books dealing with fancy
goldfish which (subjective opinion coming up, close your eyes if you wish)
I find pretty unattractive.

Thanks.

Roger Hare.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: (M) Detris removal with egg grate plans needed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:23:49 GMT

In article <THOMASG.1.724696826@epx.cis.umn.edu> THOMASG@epx.cis.umn.edu (Thomas D. Gasser) writes:
>A number of months back someone posted plans for platform to set you live 
>rock on based on egg grate and small PVC piping.  
>
>How well to these setups work and does anyone have a copy of the plans they 
>could send me.

I don't have any plans, but I stuck all my rock up on egg crate and can
give a little bit of my experience.

I used two layers of eggcrate stacked on top of each other, slightly offset
and cut out 2 inch wide strips of eggcrate to stack them on.  The problem
with this system is that a lot of detritus gets caught down in those two
inch strips that sit against the bottom.

Also, I put a couple of powerheads facing down and blowing under the 
rock.  This works fine expect that 1) one of the powerheads is buried 
under the entire reef and it clogged up and I can't get to it, so it
is shut off (stupid mistake) 2) the powerheads can't keep the whole
thing clean as they are obstructed by the 2 inch support strips, which
run back to front by the way.

Over all I'm very happy with the system.  I know I have a LOT less detritus
accumulating than before and now that corraline algae is starting to grow
over the plastic it's even less obtrusive.

BTW, I got all my eggcrate from the university and most of it came in
broken pieces (got it from the maintenance men).  Saved me quite a bit
of money as that stuff is fairly expensive (like $10 a sheet).



-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 621-8240----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks    Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus  
3rd year medical student - Surgery Rotation		        
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
From: pauls@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Paul Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [F] New tank recommendations!
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:51:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA


 Hi folks

  I'm about to join the ranks of fish keepers, in addition to the lurking I've
  done here for a while. It will be my first attempt at keeping fish, and I've
  been doing a lot of reading.

  The details: 40L freshwater tank, RUGF with cannister filter, and 3 40W
  flourescents. It's been a slow and enjoyable process, buying some components,
  finding others, building hoods and such, decorating the tank ( no castles 
  yet...). I'd like it to be representative of a blackwater environment.

  I have put together a list of the fishes I'd like to populate the tank with.
  They have been chosen with the help of a book " THe Complete Fishkeeper" with
  an eye to compatibility, size of tank, etc. 

  What I'd like from the net.wisdom is an idea about which fish to get
  *first*, trying to pick the hardiest among them for the first cycling of the 
  tank, what order they might be acquired in for aggressive/submissive 
  compatibility, size, etc, and; as the tank chemistry stabilises, an idea 
  about how many to add at a time as to not overstress the biofilter. I am 
  figuring on this taking a while- I'd like to do it right.

   here's the list of fishes I'd like the tank to eventually have:

    where	what					how many   

   upper: 	zebra danio ( Brachydanio rerio) 	6
		marbeled hachetfish(carnegia strigata)	3

   middle:	cardinal tetras (para.. axelrodi)	12
		rams(micro.. ramirezi)			3
	 or	kribensis(pelviachromis pulcher)	3


   lower:	kuhli loaches(acanthopthalmus kuhli)	3
		plecos					2
		clown loaches(botia macracantha)	3

 so- what schedule would be good? also, would it be best to acquire all of
 each at once ( i.e. all 12 tetras )at the same time?

 also, I haven't gotten any chemistry test kits yet- any recommendations?
 One last thing- no plants yet- I'd enjoy recommendations there, too.

 Well, thanks for your attention, hope to get some feedback soon!

  Paul 
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Skimmer-only tanks (Was: Re: Are W/D trickle filters worth it?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:38 EDT  

In article <Bz7vru.9In@optimla.aimla.com>, walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt) writes...
> 
>In article <tom.724104252@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu>, tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:
>|> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>|> 
>|> : anyway?  Surely theres a better way...no?
>|> 
>|> Well, maybe.  But it's really up to you.  You could make one, that
>|> would save you money.  Or you could go with more of a "natural method"
>|> and forgo the wet/dry.  This basically consist of a sump (10/20 gallon
>|> tank), a *good* efficient protein skimmer and lots of high quality live
>|> rock.  There is a good introductory article in the January 93 issue of
>|> FAMA describing this method.  It may not be much cheaper to get
>|> started, but in the long run it sure does amount to a lot less
>|> maintenance.  I use this method myself although I do not have a sump.
>|> I just use a skimmer that is rated for a 90 gallon tank.  My micro
>|> reef is in a 16 gallon tank ....
>|> 
> 
>	Does this really work for other people? I tried to set up a 60G
>mini-reef using only a prefilter and skimmer for filtration, and it just didn't
>seem to be getting anywhere. The best I could say is that everything looked
>"okay". I added a canister with some carbon and Chemi-Pure and now everyone
>looks MUCH happier. Kind of threw a wrench into the skimmer-only theory for 
>me . . .

What Kind of skimmer did you have?  A skimmer only setup works extremely well
for reef tanks.  How big was your skimmer? 

Greg
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: ballasts (was Re: newsgroups)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:59:38 GMT

In article <2800259@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth) writes:
>In rec.aquaria, jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley) writes:
>
>    Brand names, guys, I want brand names!   Good and bad ones, please.
>    Where have you found a $10 electronic ballast?  Cheapest ones around
>    here seem to be $20 and up.
>
>The cheap fixtures I had were made by/distributed by "Lights of America"
>and sold through Ace Hardware.  The fixture with 2 bulbs was $15.99.
>
>Definitely a "bad one". 

I paid $11.99 for the same fixture (got it on sale!) and mine is running
strong 2 years later...

-- 
--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 621-8240----------------
Paul A. Prior    Ban anchors, not reef tanks    Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus  
3rd year medical student		        
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: jan@bagend.uucp (Jan Isley)
Subject: Re: fresh -> marine. Will bio filtration still work?
Organization: This space for rent.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:28:20 GMT

I do it all the time, and visa versa.  For aquaria purposes, I think
that bacteria are bacteria, and they don't care about salt content.
-- 
   Be a light unto yourself    || Jan Isley ...!gatech!bagend!jan
Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha || jan@bagend.uucp (404)434-1335
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Pleco food
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 16:01:11 GMT

In article <65@jptcs.COM> Steve.Kilbey%bbs@jptcs.com (Steve Kilbey) writes:
>I have heard (from here) that people feed their pleco's frozen spinach. When
>I tried this, it hust floats. I believe mt pleco did eat some, however. I
>saw him nibbling on it. The other fish tried it too. I am looking for other
>methods of feeding him, or her. I have heard that cucumber and zuchinni can
>be fed to pleco's. Any other help would be appreciated.

I used to give my plecos cucumber, zuchini, and cooked broccoli.  Some I'd
have to weight down with those lead strips that bunch plants come wrapped with.
Another favorite of theirs was grapes; slice them in half so that the fish
can get to the inside of the grape.  Maybe you could try cooked whole spinach
leaves with a rock holding the leaf on the bottom of the tank.

Sean
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain)
Subject: Re: Skimmer-only tanks (Was: Re: Are W/D trickle filters worth it?)
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:05:54 GMT

fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith) writes:

walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt) writes...

tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:

: >|> tank), a *good* efficient protein skimmer and lots of high quality live
: >|> rock.  

: >	Does this really work for other people? I tried to set up a 60G

Trust me.  It works very well!

: What Kind of skimmer did you have?  A skimmer only setup works
: extremely well for reef tanks.  How big was your skimmer? 

Greg makes a good point here.  If your skimmer is not large enough you
may not have good results.  Also, did you have the suggested 2lbs of
coralline/live rock per gallon of water?  If not, you probably were
not getting the amount of nitrifying bacteria you need.  IMO, any short
cuts in the basic idea of this method could lead to unsuccessful
results.

--tom
--
	    Tom McCain            tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu
 Bradley's Bromide:
 	If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a
 	committee -- that will do them in.
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:9577 alt.aquaria:6258
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [F] How to get rid of snails?
Keywords: snails fresh help
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>>Never tried boiling, but I've washed the gravel with diluted chlorox and
>>it sure killed everything.  Duh.  Be sure to rinse very thoroughly and use 
>>sodium thiosulfate afterwards.  You can also try alum.
>
>If your suggesting he use chlorox in his tank may I suggest you pay for
>his new fish?

Chlorox is, indeed, a valid method of cleaning and disinfecting a tank and
associated equipment and objects.

After washing w/ chlorox you simply rinse well, and let dry (somewhat).  Chlorox
isn't much more than super-concentrated chlorine...  it evaporates and 
neutralizes very rapidly.

I use it often to decontaminate filters...  works well, doesn't harm the fish.

Mike
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: X-Plicit Demonstration
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:22:28 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing) writes:
-Coming X-Plicit Events:
-
-Tues, Dec. 8, 2PM -- the Players get their day in court.  This is when the
-    arraignment for their Sproul Plaza arrests is scheduled, and since only
-    the lawyers need to appear in court, we will be protesting nude outside
-    the courthouse (Center and M.L.K. streets in Berkeley, I think the
-    address is 2150 Martin Luther King).  Everyone is welcome to come along.

So, how'd it go?

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton		| Camping Bares:  "An Anarchist Disorganization
aka Happy Bare			| Dedicated to the Destruction of the Fabric of
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| Our Society"
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity & sex
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:18:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com's message of 14 Dec 92 22:38:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223803.26257@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
| When I was a pre-teen, I was taught that the "necessities of life"
| were 1. food, 2. clothing, and 3. shelter.  But if you want "life" to
| last more than one generation, you have to add 4. sex, otherwise
| when you die the species dies with you.
|
Would that be such a bad thing? From what I see when I look around, our
species has done more harm than good to this planet. Just think how much
better off all the other species would be without us.

| Get the above through your head.  Along with food, clothing, and
| shelter, sex is the most important thing in the world.
|
Sex is important if you want to see the continuation of the destruction of
the world and the population explosion.

SAVE THE WORLD! BE CELIBATE!

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: CO in Boca Raton???
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:23:13 GMT

I just moved to Boca Raton and would like to mix with like-minded
people. Does anyone know of CO groups/locations close to Boca?
Thanks.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
The Columbia River is now the most radioactive river in the U.S.

This environmental/nuclear nightmare, one of a series, brought to you
courtesy of Westinghouse and General ("We Bring Good Things to Life")
Electric.
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Re" nudity & sex
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:55:48 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

v076rtlz@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M. Green) writes:
>>...When you go out with your male friends, does it equal sex?
>> 
>Actually "equals" is a bad chioce of words.  But I wasn't the one who said
>it first! :-)

OK, gosh darn it, I'll do it.

What you meant to say was that "<activity under test> leads to sex".

You missed the causation by simply saying "equals".

I think the shouting is about objecting to nudity leading
to sex, not equating with it. Hell, how can a non-mathematical
entity be 'equal' to anything?

-- 
bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) This week's usenet malapropism: 
their(pronoun)=plural possesive; "They drove their cars to usenix."
there(misc.)=to or at a place; "Use the terminal over there."
they're=contraction of 'they are'; "They're shutting down the system now."
From: mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Teddy Bear Cove
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec11.205715.23575
Organization: Western Washington University

Friends,

Yes, after voting 7-0 in November to continue allowing nude sunbathing at
Teddy Bear Cove just south of Bellingham, the Whatcom County Council had a
hearing last Tuesday night on a new ordinance proposed by Councilwoman
Barbara Brenner to prohibit our enjoyable passion.

Testimony was limited to a dozen people, to keep the time short.  Many
more were in line to speak when the time was up.  Petitions were presented
by both the "clothers" and the "nudists".  The council is scheduled to
vote on the proposal next week.

I would guess that it won't be a 7-0 vote this time, but whether we'll
have to put our bathing suits on next summer is unpredictable at this
time.  Keep you fingers crossed.

-- Mark Turner
mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: gc@isag1.twuug.com (George Colt)
Subject: Re: nudity & sex, young and old
Organization: Integrated Systems Analysts, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:14:57 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
: Spoken like a true 17 year old!  :-)   That's not an insult, I 
: sometimes wonder what it would be like to be 17 again.  However, when 
: you get to my advanced age (I turned 43 this week), you can go for 
: minutes 
: at 
: a 
: time without thinking about sex!

Geee! I'm looking forward to that. I'm 41 and I still can't manage
more than a few SECONDS!

-- 
|      George Colt                        |
| UUCP      : ...!uunet!isavax!isap2!colt |
| Email     : colt@isap2.isa.com          |
From: bucknell.edu!user (Rich Dionne)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: visiting Italy
Followup-To: rec.nude
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:08:19 GMT
Organization: classics man from BU (in PA)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macb03.bucknell.edu

In article <1992Dec14.153603.14355@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) wrote:
> 
> 	There is a slim chance I will be spending three weeks in Italy
> 	this coming February.   Not the best time of year, but take it
> 	when you can get it. (Rome)
> 
Spent seven beautiful days in Rome past spring.  WOnderful country.  See as
much as you can, take lots of photos, and most importantly keep a journal
of what you did EVERY DAY!  Otherwise you'll forget, and that sucks. (I
know)

things to watch out for:
GYPSIES--they come in throngs and thrive on tourists.  swing your arms in
front of you and keep moving.  As soon as they are within arms reach, your
wallet is gone.  Count on it.
PICK-POCKETS--like gypsies, but come in singles, and you won't know it. 
Just always keep your eyes open, esp. in crowds and on buses (they love
touristy areas).

Try and get a "passport pouch".  It straps to your torso under your shirt
and will hold your wallet and passport--gypsies and pick-pockets can't get
you there.

Don't forget to see the nite life, too.  Cafe's are great--be talkative and
friendly; you'll never know who you'll meet.  Try as many different dishes
as possible during the three weeks.  Be warned though; you'll have a tough
time facing "American Italian food" again!

Ciao!

Rich Dionne
box c-215
bucknell u
lewisburg, pa  17837
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudity & sex
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:06:26 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
-	I've also seen scattered evidence of life span being tied to
-sex -> no sex, less life span.
-
-	Basically, on the average -- sex is necessary for life.

True, I've known people to die from that dreaded Hawiian disease "lackanookie".

	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)

(I have fought long bouts with the disease too.)

-- 

	Sorry about that, I couldn't resist.
	We will now return to our regular rec.nude topics.
From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Free Beach Etiquette -- REPOST
Summary: Naturists "rules" of etiquette for CO Beach and park users
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:03:18 GMT
Expires: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Supersedes: <frbeeq_9211150000@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>


                          FREE BEACH ETIQUETTE
===============================================================================
Many people will insist that rules for proper behavior are not necessary since
any decent or intelligent person should know how to act.  On the other hand,
naturist organizations constantly contact unfamiliarized individuals.  We want
to leave no doubt as to what kind of people are advocates of clothes-optional
recreation!  Yes, naturists are nice people and we aim to keep it that way!

        + STAY OUT OF DUNES and other environmentally sensitive areas.

        + OBEY PARKING REGULATIONS and other posted rules.

        + HELP ELIMINATE LITTER by bringing along a trash bag.  Carry out more
                than you brought in.

        + DON'T GO OUT OF TRADITIONAL ESTABLISHED NUDE AREAS.  To wander nude
                into a clothed beach or parking area will offend many people
		who have equally viable options for beach recreation.  It
                undermines our objectives to cause an unnecessary confrontation.

        + NO OVERT SEXUAL ACTIVITY.  Leave this activity for the privacy of
                your home.  Nude is not lewd, but combined with sex, undermines
		our image.

        + RESPECT THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS.  And this includes Mother Nature's
		property, too!

        + ASK PRIOR CONSENT FOR PHOTOGRAPHY.  You cannot legally stop someone
                from taking pictures in public places.  However, asking per-
                mission is common courtesy.  Not everyone wants to end up in a
                stranger's photo album.  Parents should also be asked before
                children are photographed.

        + PRIVACY IS FUNDAMENTAL!  Many are at the beach for quiet time and
                don't want to be disturbed.  It is not wrong to go to the beach
                to make new friends -- but it is rude to monopolize a person's
                time when the welcome mat was never put out.

        + COME PREPARED.  Bring beach supplies -- beverage, food, chair,
                sunscreen, and towel.  Don't expect others to share these items.
                Mooching is offensive.

        + SPEAK UP FOR STANDARDS.  If a person seems unaware of beach etiquette,
                explain it, kindly and plainly.  Give them a copy of "FREE
                BEACH ETIQUETTE".  Don't let uncouth individuals ruin our
                fragile and beautiful place under the sun.
-- 
======================================================================
Steve Pierce             Palm Bay
steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
      Space Coast Naturists, PO Box 560086, Rockledge, FL 32956-0086
From: isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Help ! UK nudist beached request ...
Date: 10 Dec 92 02:02:12 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi !

I am posting for my friends who will be going to UK
next May 93.  They will like to find out any locations
of nudist beaches in UK.  Please help!


george


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