HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kyl@polari.com
Subject: Re: Windows NT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:18:26 GMT

In article <9792@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> sarnold@bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold) writes:
>> Come on you guys!  How could anything exist before Microsoft invented it?
>> Don't you know that MS invented the operating system concept, semaphores,
>> multi-tasking, and all the other software technology ?  Quite
>> possibly they also invented C adn C++.  Ask any Microsoft employee.
>> Sounds like a good old days when IBM invented everything.
>
>	I'm sorry, I hate to be a bastard, but I just CAN'T let this 
>one by....
>
>	UNIX, a Multitasking Operating system written IN C by the 
>folks at BELL LABS, was written  over 20 YEARS AGO -- before microsoft
>was a twitch in anybodies daddy's pants.
>


SIGH!  I did not think anybody is xxxxxx enough to bite this.  Unbelievable!
I am sorry, Steve, I forgot to incluede a preamble:

"The following posting includes an adult material.  Minors without a guardian
(interpreter) is not allowed to read it."

By the way, I have a very nice bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell
for a real good price.  I am sure you are interested, Steve.  Please give
me a call.  Oh, I forgot.  The above is meant to be sarcastic.  I really
do not have a bridge to sell.
 
>Win 3 now, will consider OS/2 when released. I'm just wondering what
>planet you took your CS classes on.
 ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^

I was teaching CS classes on the planet Krypton, presumably when you were 
learning how to write RPG programs.

Kyu Y. Lee
kyl@polari.uunet
>

>   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
>   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
>   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
>   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
>                        "Keep circulating the tapes"

No wonder!  Anybody who considers the above statement clever, I suppose,
would bite anything!

Grow up!


>	I don't wish to get involved in the OS/2 vs. WIN stuff. I use 
>Win 3 now, will consider OS/2 when released. I'm just wondering what
>planet you took your CS classes on.
>
>
>steve
>
>
>-- 
>   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
>   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
>   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
>   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
>                        "Keep circulating the tapes"


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.ms
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 2.0 faster than Windows??
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:06:39 GMT

In article <vw7t2+c@rpi.edu> mcintyre@cs.rpi.edu (David McIntyre) writes:
>tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>>
>>WINOS2 tests run on: PS/2 Model 80 16MHz w/ 80387; IBM VGA; 8 MB memory
>>Win3.1 tests run on: 386/40; Tseng ET4000 VGA (640x480x16); 8 MB memory
>>
>
>As far as I'm concerned, this negates any value of these numbers.  How
>can you compare these values when they were done on different machines
>with different video boards?  This is nonsense....

But hold on.  I thought this first, and I still have a problem accepting these
as the FINAL word, but I think they're close.  The numbers aren't absolute.
The number represents the time taken to do the tasks relative to Windows
3.0 on the same machine.  So the Win3.1 tests ran Windows 3.0, kept the
numbers, then ran Win3.1, and calculated the difference.  The WinOS2 numbers
ran Windows 3.0, kept the numbers, ran WinOS2, and calculated the difference.
I'd like to see a bench where all numbers were done on the same machine, but
I think they will be the same.

-Dave
-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert "Rezh" Myhre)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Help with OS2 and Lantastic
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:41:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16837
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo


  Hi all.  I would like some information out there if someone actually knows
the answer to this:

  I have a 386 that will be running OS2 2.0 EE and I want to network it to
a 286 running Dr.Dos 6.0 using Lantastic's Ethernet hardware.  Is there 
anything specific that I need in order to get OS2 to recognize the connection:
like a specific driver or maybe a different version of Lantastic? Any
help would be appreciated.  Thanks

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)     
myhre@plains             (Bitnet)      
uunet!plains!myhre       (UUCP)         
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: siebert@cs.tu-berlin.de (Steffen Siebert)
Subject: HELP: OS/2 don't recognize my third HD (SCSI)
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:11:20 GMT

Hi,

i've got OS/2 and installed it successfully on my clone, but (once again)
my third harddisk makes trouble. My system has an Adaptec rll-controller
with two rll-disks and a Future-Domain Scsi-controller TMC-871 with one
Micropolis disk. The two rll-disks work fine, but OS/2 don't recognize
the SCSI-HD. I've read the readme file and followed the instructions to
install the SCSI-drivers manually... still no success (i've added the
lines : BASEDEV=FD8XX.ADD  BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD).
I disabled the second RLL-HD via the cmos-setup and added the IBMINT13.I13
driver to the config.sys and the SCSI-HD worked. But i really need all three
drives so can anyone give me a hint? Is the TMC-871 not compatible to the
FD8XX.ADD driver? Where can i get a working version?

Thanx in advance for any help,
  Steffen
-- 
Steffen Siebert
siebert@cs.tu-berlin.de
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Abreviations for novices (me included)
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Apr17.181648.12723@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
mrice@ratmask.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Mark.Rice) writes:
|> Information about abbreviations follow.  This is meant for those who aren't
|> familiar with the net and what some acronyms, etc. mean.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> RTFM
|> IFS	as used in the following sentence:
|> 	Someone may eventually write an IFS which will allow soft links
|> 	(as in BSD UNIX).
RTFM  - Read the Friendly Manual. (Or choose a matching F of your choice :-)

IFS - Installable File System - How OS/2 2.0 interfaces to file system drivers.


|> 
|> 
|> regards,
|> 
|> mark.rice@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
|> -- 
|> -----
|> mark rice
|> mark.rice@ColumbiSC.NCR.COM
|> Not necessarily the views of NCR.


David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dan@ni.umd.edu (Dan Burns)
Subject: Upgrading from Windowsestions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:43:33 GMT


I am probably upgrade from windows 3.0 to OS/2 2.0 after reading all the
testimonials in this group, but have a few questions first I hope someone
can answer for me.

1).  My hard disk currently has 3 partitions (formatted under DOS3.3) The
first is a 30 meg primary dos, the second is 150 meg extended dos D: - H:
and the third is a 30 meg Coherent partition.  I can easily clear off 40 or
50 meg on the extended partition (g: and h:) to make room for OS/2.  Is this
a feasable solution, and will I still be able to boot my third partition by
using the bootstrap program that currently exists on my machine for
Coherent, or will I have to change to the OS/2 bootstrap program, or some
combination of the two?

2).  If I use the FAT file system, as I plan to, will I be able to back up
the OS/2 system files to my Colorado Jumbo 120 using a DOS window?  Will I
still be able to backup my DOS/Windows programs using that tape drive and a
DOS window?

3).  If I install OS/2 2.0, I assume I can get rid of windows, and dos.
Will I need to re-install my windows apps like WP4WIN, Pagemaker etc...
Since these programs use the win.ini file, I assume that I will have to
re-install them, but would MUCH rather not if OS/2 can handle that somehow.


Thanks,
--Dan
From: woan@soda.berkeley.edu (Ronald Woan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Trident drivers and GA
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:04:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s2f1rINN4io
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


You forgot to run SVGA ON from a fullscreen DOS or OS/2 
commandline... Without the svgadata.pmi file that is created by that
the drivers will all fail.
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From: MTC107@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ati accelerators
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:13:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I am running 6.304 on  a Local-Bus configuration from Orchid which utilizes
their 1280/D accelerator card which is S3 based.  I received the machine with
Windows on it, and it operated at a speed which made windows usable.  Presently
I am not able to take advantage of the power due to a lack of drivers.  However
Orchid has promised to provide me with beta drivers within 3 weeks.  With a
little adjustment to the system.ini file I am able to run full-screen windows
session utilizing the Orchid drivers already available. I will let you know how
I make out once I receive the OS/2 drivers.  Even without the drivers I am very
impressed with the performance of the machine.
About the configuration I am running:
    Orchid Superboard 486/33
    256K cache
    Orchid Fahrenheit 1280/D (D is for Direct or Local-Bus)
    16MB Ram
    Quantum 240MB HD w/256K cache

Mark Cordrey
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 19:58:46 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Great news! (was Manuals with OS/2 V.2 as shipped.
 <1992Apr5.080143.8368@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
 <1992Apr7.195422.13366@morrow.stanford.edu>
 <"barnacle.e.436:08.03.92.01.07.39"@clarkson.edu>
 <1992Apr8.174221.14918@ryn.mro4.dec.com>

There are great news for 32bit OS/2 GA.

If anyone needs to have additional help, then of course the online
help-system is   e x c e l l e n t.

Still, some people like myself would like to study the online-material
on paper printed nicely.

Now, with 32bit OS/2 GA ***this is possible***. By playing around with
the online-help and trying to print it (you remember of course, that
that used to be ASCII-text and not WYSIWIG, you were loosing those nice
rail-diagrams etc.), the next surprise with this excellent product
arose: The printout looks neat, clean and ledgible, even the rail-diagrams
show up as rail-diagrams. With that feature in place now, I do not need
any books, rather I choose the sections I wish to study on my way to
work or at home offline.

If you print entire help-systems, you basically have the manuals them-
selves - and everything printed nicely including the examples hidden
behind the example-button.

---rony
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jwl3885@rigel.tamu.edu (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Live at Comdex
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:39:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.154757.17122@hemlock.cray.com>, bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes...
> I only write for the magazine.  I have not financial interest
>in it.

You mean they don't pay you for your work?!?!   :)

Cheers,
John
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Subject: Re: COMx incantations?  (x!=1 && x!=2)
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:59:55 GMT

From article <#svj4yh.rcain@netcom.com>, by rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain):
> It seems that OS/2 has absolutely no fucking idea what to do if a serial
> port is not on com1/com2 at irq4/irq3 at addresses 3f8/2f8. DOS and
> Windows do but we all know that's because they are not really operating
> systems.
> 
> What on earth do you do if your modem is on com3, irq7 at address 3e8.
> Yes I have RTFM and TFM says to selectively install.  I knew that
> would be a joke but wanted to see what it would do.  It started me
> at diskette 5, had me insert all the rest and hung on disk 14. Cool.
> 
> I remember some incantations that need to be put on the device lines
> in config.sys for com.sys and vcom.sys but that has long since rolled
> off my reader as has the FAQ with all the blither on here lately:

In your case, modify the COM driver lines in your CONFIG.SYS:

device=C:\OS2\COM.SYS (3,3E8,7)
device=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS (3,3E8,7)

All you have to do is add the COM3 and COM4 port specifications in 
parenthesis after COM.SYS & VCOM.SYS lines to the CONFIG.SYS in the
following way: (COM_PORT_NUMBER, PORT_IO_ADDRESS, IRQ_NUMBER).  This
is not in the online documentation, but it works :)  If your COM1/COM2
are not 'standard' then you can add their port specifications to 
the COM drivers in parenthesis also.


> Without a handy guru or the internet or compuserve, in other words without
> support, OS/2 is unusable in other than the most trivial configurations.
> It is for coporations with large installations that can afford system
> administrators for this trivia.  After all it is an operating system!

You could call the IBM Technical support line, they would be happy to
assist you.  I had to call the support line for assistance for my hardware
setup, and IBM was quite helpful :)  After all, you ARE
paying for 60 days of technical phone support when you purchase/upgrade
OS/2 2.0, you might as well use it :)
From: ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os2 and dos both single tasking?
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:25:10 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <em15iB1w164w@student.business.uwo.ca>, mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell, Computer Staff) writes:
>... 
> I ask both IBM and the net 'why do you think "os/2" is multi-tasking?'
> 
> The best way to describe the question is this;  lets compare dos and
> os/2.
> 
> With dos, I boot up a single tasking text-mode environment.
> With os/2, I boot up a single tasking text-mode environment.
> 
> With dos, I can optionally run windows (a graphically front end that 
> gives multi-tasking features)
> 
> With os/2, I can optionally run PM (a graphical front end that gives 
> multi-tasking features)

Not quite.  PM merely gives access to the multitasking features inherent
in the operating system.

> With unix, I can  'ps' to see processes, even in single-user mode.  It 
> has swapper/scheduler processes.  Can I see this in os/2 if PM is not 
> running?

Yes. The program included by IBM is called pstat.

> What is the difference between the two?  Saying 32bit means nothing 
> because I have seen unix on 8bit CPUs.

The difference b/w DOS and OS/2 is the difference b/w a program loader
with some disk and other I/O features (DOS) and a real operating
system (OS/2) which fully controls access to the hardware of the computer
and enables different programs to run in a sophisticated environment.

> I would like put forth the comment that dos/windows is the same as 
> os/2&pm.

Sorry, I can't accept that.  Windows is a graphical shell for DOS.
As such, although it has gotten, and will get more, sophisticated
and stable over time, especially when DOS is dumped as the underlying
operating system, it is too flaky and kludgy for extended use.  Believe
me, I support it in LAN environments in particular and it is a royal
pain.  It delivers the looks, but not the goods.  OS/2 delivers
the goods, in almost any area you care to mention: apps (DOS, Windows,
OS/2), bullet-proof networking, bullet-proof extended use.

> If os/2 is truly multi-tasking, why can't I start two text mode apps and 
> hot key between them?

You can.  There is a small utility called qwikswch (found on hobbes.nmsu.edu
or archive.latrobe.edu.au) which will do just that.

However, I suspect you are really asking - can I run text screens
only.  Despite this being the only way to run OS/2 in version 1.0,
the current answer seems to be no, since the PM shell is an integral
part of the system.  You can try, by fiddling with the shell= line
in config.sys, but I have my doubts.  Certainly you would lose a lot of
functionality, such as the print spooling.

Mark Kosten
(ccmk@latrobe.edu.au)
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Advertising
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:48:47 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

chawdry@cis.ohio-state.edu (rehan nisar chawdry) writes:

> Listen, the guys at Boca have worked hard in programming the next generation
> operating system and they don't deserve to be insulted by the lack of vision
> of the "marketing" executives of IBM.  The new IBM apparently has started fro
> the bottom-up, and the guys that are still on top have no brains. I respect
> Bill Gates because he is an innovator and he has plenty of initiative.  One
> guy from Microsoft is more creative than hundreds of executives of IBM?  Come
> on guys...the clock's ticking.  It's not my ass that's up against a wall.

I totally disagree. IBM is already swamped with orders. The lady was very 
nice to me when I called, but said it would be 4 weeks before I would get me 
copy. The problem now is not advertising, its distribution. Fix distribution 
first, and then advertise. Advertising a product that is unavavailable will 
only frustrate the consumer (I know, I are one).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: harlick@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Will Clark)
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 1.x-- I want to cry!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:45:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.011241.14628@prism.poly.edu> skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga) writes:
>
>What if these people mail their licenses to someone in the US to get a free
>upgrade (except mailing costs - how much does the entire box weigh?) Is this
>possible? legal?
>
>Shiraz
>-- 
>skanga@prism.poly.edu
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                          .sigs waste net.band.width
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Possible?  Probably.

Legal?  Probably not.  Most countries have import duties for
practically everything.  *Someone* is supposed to pay those duties for
every shipment.

You could probably just send the stuff over, but if Customs finds it,
you may be in trouble.

!DISCLAIMER!  I am not a lawyer!  I've shipped some stuff to England
for my company, so I know a *little* about international paperwork.
Your milage will probably vary. Consult a physician before beginning
any excercise program ...

Will Clark (Thank GOD I'm not a lawyer!  I'd lose so many good jokes ...)
will.an@site007.saic.com
------------------------
SAIC does not share my opinions.
harlick@lindy is a friend's account, but you can send me email here, too.
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Bug in GA or is my copy corrupted?
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:05:19 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <rdippold.703038085@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>>Take a folder (directory), any folder in one of your drive partitions.
>>Drag it over to another drive partition and drop it.  Does WPS try to
>>COPY it or MOVE it to the other drive object?
>>On my copy, WPS tries to MOVE the folder.  I've been told that it's
>>supposed to COPY the folder since it's between drives.  But I've gotten
>>MOVE the last three times I've reinstalled.
>It MOVEs for me.  I actually prefer it that way.

Maybe the COPY is if you're going between _physical_ drives, MOVE
otherwise.  The "Unofficial Guide to the Workplace Shell" isn't as
clear as it could be on this point.  Would make sense, I think.  (In
other words, you really only get a COPY when going to a floppy disk.)

To force copy, hold down the CTRL key as you drag.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Device Drivers - Mastrianni Book
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:55:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
: martin@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
: 
: >Some time back the book ``Writing OS/2 2.0 Device Drivers in C'', by
: >Steven Mastrianni was discussed here. A release date of 6th April was given.
: >Is this book now available? I just got our bookshop to enquire, and the
: >publishers give the UK release date as AUGUST '92!!! This is *dreadful*!
: 
: >Are there any US booksellers that will ship books such as this overseas?
: 
: I got my copy about a week ago. VNR has an 800 number that orders can
: be placed on.
:

800 what?
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:10:42 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr07.064846.2473@rose.uucp> bill.dehaan@rose.uucp (bill dehaan) writes:
>Date Entered: 04-06-92 19:41
>In message <1992Apr2.183638.30@physc1.byu.edu>, Jim Robertson writes:
>JR>I for one would be very much interested in such a program.  I have a
>JR>Colorado drive and want to be able to backup my entire drive not
>JR>just what Dos can see.  This is the only disadvantage that I can think
>JR>of for moving to OS/2.   I think that such a program would be successful.
>JR>I asked a friend who also has a Colorado tape and he wants to move to
>JR>OS/2 and still maintain full ability to use his tape.
>
>Me, three. I currently run FAT on all drives, purely because HPFS  files
>cannot be backed up. I just bought a Colorado in January, I'll be damned
>if I will back up OS/2 files to floppy.
>
I've got some bad news for you, FAT filesystems cannot be backed up either!
When restoring the backup all the extended attributes are lost. There is
apparently a program called EAUTIL to get around this, but I haven't tried
it yet.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk