HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Mark G. Tacchi)
Subject: Re: Avoid RightBrain for RTF ? (Who the heck are you people?)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.170756.6292@julian.uwo.ca> vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca  
(Ivan Vesely) writes:
> 
> With RTF postings? Are you for real?
> 
> When will you people stop whinning about the evils of RTF posting?  Many of  
the  
> silent news readers out there actually LIKE RTF!  It brightens up their day.   
> Isn't this one of the joys of owning a NeXT?  Having fun with it, doing  
things  
> that others CAN'T do?  Avoiding RTF altogether, and using only plain boring  
> ASCII is sinking to the lowest common denominator.  I refuse to do that!  So  
it  
> costs a little bit more, that's the price of using this newsgroup. This is  
the  
> way THIS newsgroup has naturally evolved.  Don't spoil it for the rest of us  
> just because you're a tight wad.
> 

I also believe that RTF should be allowed, why not?  My NeXT at work is used  
for the fancy stuff while my terminal at home is for the plain ASCII.  So if  
anybody has the need to use RTF go ahead, I'm sure there are plenty of people  
that are pro RTF posters.


-Mark
=========================================================
Mark G. Tacchi
tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca   
(NeXT Mail Welcome)     "Why meow when I can bark? Woof!"
=========================================================
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: RightBrain Software File Server: up and running
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:39:37 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com


The RightBrain Software File Server is up and running.  It was easier
than I thought it would be.

Send a message to

	file-server@rightbrain.com

with the the word "help" in the body of the message (or in the subject
line) and it will send you a note on how to use it.

If you're familiar with Adobe's ps-file-server, then you already know
how to use this, because it's basically the same code, although I hacked
it so it would support NeXTmail attachments, which makes it much easier
to use.

I think all the wrinkles are out of it.  There's nothing particularly
useful stored in it yet; the PasteUp logo as an EPS file, which I
put in there for testing, and the RTF files that started all of this :-)

It's pretty neat; give it a try.  The only thing to be aware of is that
it ALWAYS will send you NeXT attachments, because we believe in the
technology and we hate ASCII.

As soon as Jack gets back from the hospital with his broken fingers
all taped up, we can start putting some real documents and sample
programs or whatever on the server for you.  We're going to try to
make it into a real repository of information about Publishing on
the NeXT.

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: New idea:  forget Open Systems.  N(o)T! (was Re: Open...)
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:37:01
 <lad3r5INNnbd@spim.mips.com><jbone.715620959@splat> 
 <1992Sep04.204019.104785@lexmark.com><jbone.715643405@splat> <1992Sep5.120356.1@capd.jhuapl.edu>
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu's message of Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:03:56 GMTLines: 40

In article <1992Sep5.120356.1@capd.jhuapl.edu>,
	waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu writes:
>	But even those users that want to change will find that there are
>	some applications that they use to do their job that just aren't
>	available yet under NeXTSTEP.  They can't/won't have two boxes on
>	their desktops.  They can't do without their old apps with no
>	replacements in sight.  They can't have NeXTSTEP!!!
[This is Re:  Why there should be NeXTSTEP on top of Windows NT,
 but I didn't want to quote the entire article.]

Of course, there is another alternative.  It would probably be
simpler for someone to write a Windows NT compatibility layer on
top of Mach3.0!  [Well, assuming that NeXT ever moves to Mach3.0 :-)]
If you look at _just_ NT and _just_ Mach3.0, I've no doubt you'll
find that they are _awfully_ similar.  Perhaps not identical, but
they'd have more in common than Mach2.5 and IBM's AIX (which is
what folklore says caused the end of the IBM/NeXT relationship,
though I still hold out for political motives).

Since Microsoft _claims_ to be developing it as a microkernel from
the start, I would expect that it would be easier to port, because
you'd only have to worry about porting the microkernel interface,
and not the entire Unix compatibility layer (or at least a significant
part of it).  Presumably you could have a NT microkernel compatibility
library on top of Mach3.0 and then all of the other stuff that runs
on top of the NT microkernel would just tag along.  Eventually it'd
make good sense to do native ports (for performance reasons), but
at least you've got it _running_!

Of course, this says nothing of the _likelihood_ of this happening.
Microsoft will most likely not be writing it.  Of course, NeXT will
most likely not be writing a NeXTSTEP compatibility layer for NT,
either.  Steve Jobs is at _least_ as stubborn as Bill Gates, though
it certainly is a tough call.  So, we're sort of at an impasse.

Later,
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>  <Who achieved programmer nirvana on Aug 11th>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
   <Text: One Class to bring them all and in the darkness bind them ...>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Eli Burk)
Subject: right brain?
Originator: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:41:57 GMT

I read the recent post coming out of right brain. The
lengthy one, but I'll be brief.
	1) "You'll abide by the rules... *even though*"
		Sorry - poor apology. See #3.
	2) You'll set up a email server.
		Again poor excuse. Should have done that
		in the beginning.
	3) You're a company so you should set the example
	   for what you call "19 year olds".
	4) "questions... that's what the net is all about..."
	   you should have added 'in an environment of 
	   responcibility.'

In short: Apologise for you misbehavior - don't make excuses.
Otherwise you sound like a politican *but* than again maybe
See #4.

btw - Right Brain I'm not 19, but won't you think that some
19 year olds might be interested in your product?

btw II - I guess your grandmother never told you "Two wrongs
don't make a right."

-- 
..out in the street, with your cheap fur on, or maybe your plastic raincoat
and your plastic shoes, they look good too, standing in the snow you're young-
er than you look, {fall in love with me} 2X, how i wish you would...[Iggy Pop]
eburk@futon.sfsu.edu -or- eburk@sutro.sfsu.edu -or- eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Feeling kinda bad...  (Re: New idea ... (long))
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:20:35 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <jbone.716054535@splat> jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes:
>>
>>Feeling kinda bad --- I was pretty rough on Chris and Mark, and I
>>sounded a bit more pompous and a bit more rabid than I intended.
>>I just wanted to make the point that my opinion is at least informed
>>and based on experience, rather than religious dogma (tho there's
>>some of that too... ;)
>>
>>Everybody's got an opinion...  it's just that some of us are right
>>and some are wrong. ;) ;)
>>
>>
>>Viva NeXT!  Viva UNIX!
>>
>>
>>jb
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>-- Jeff Bone ------------------------------------------------------------
>>      "Imagination is more important than knowledge."  - A. Einstein
>>------------------------------------------------------- jbone@dell.com --
>>                                                                       --

So Jeff,  
When did you say Dell was releasing that 66Mhz48616.7millioncolorsLocal  
BusVideoEISANeXTstepBundledCellularISDNNetworkedLaptopThatRunsFor12HoursOn  
BatteriesPortableFramegrabbinDSPing (black) machine ?

[  How's that for imagination ? :-)  ]
--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Open Letter: Don't get rid of UNIX
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:16:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.222246.13443@polari>, trevord@polari.online.com writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.174805.1@capd.jhuapl.edu> waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu writes:
>>writes:

	[...]

> 	shortly? I'll give you whatever odds you want that nt doesnt show
> 	its head until late next year. Also I'll give you better odds that 
> 	the os is slow clunky and buggy.

	I've seen the developer's version and it's neither slow, clunky nor
	buggy.  So, unless you have inside info that they plan to spend the
	next year and a quarter turning it into a dog, I'll take that bet;^)

	[...]

>>	as an extra cost option for those not satisfied by POSIX (which, after
>>	all, represents a UNIX subset).  If it's that important, push for it.
> 			^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	Even, you admit it.

	Even _I_ admit it?  I'm a NeXTSTEP advocate not a POSIX/Windows/NT
	advocate.

	[...]

> 	The day of the monopopular OS  is waning...

	I'm afraid it hasn't peaked, yet.  RISC chips have all but erased the
	distinction between mainframe, mini and micro.  What you won't be
	able to do on one of these boxes running NT will just be niche
	markets.  That will be true for the next few years and the next few
	years are the ones that are crucial for NeXT.

	[...]
>	Who the hell careas
> 	about nt anyway, god but I have pity on the poor basterads who have to
			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	code for it. the whole point in buying a NeXT is that its a blast
	^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	to program.

	MY POINT EXACTLY!!!  All I'm suggesting, Trevor, is that we translate
        that heartfelt pity into action and appeal to the humanitarian streak
        in Steve--PORT NeXTSTEP TO NT SO NOBODY HAS TO SCREW AROUND WITH MS
        WINDOWS EVER AGAIN!!!  Are you with me?

 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: right brain?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <1992Sep12.003345.8014@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> I'm making this very short for a reason.
> 
> If any of you cared a bucket of warm spit's worth about protecting the
> interests or bandwidth of other Usenet users; if there were any pangs
> of sympathy; if you actually respected any of the Usenet guidelines
> (which, I believe, do not advocate public flaming of users); you would
> have flamed Glenn & Jack (or whomever you are flaming this week as it
> seems the same people are always flaming someone for something) in
> E-MAIL.

No, for exactly the same reason you posted your opinion
above.  This is exactly the correct group for such discussions.

Of course, I, and I suspect others, did indeed send email to
RightBrain, not that it was acknowledged in any way.

> andrew
> 19 years old and behind Jack and Glenn all the way.
> I also thought Jack's post was highly informative.

For an advertisement...

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software File Server: up and running
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:18:50 GMT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <1992Sep14.124716.15881@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
quarrie@cds001.cebaf.gov (David Quarrie) writes:

> As one of the silent majority let me add my two cents worth to this sordid
> tale:
> 
>   (a)	All this shouting has generated far more junk and used far more
> 	bandwidth than all the RFT postings I think I have ever seen in these 
> 	newsgroups.

Not by a long shot.

>   (b)	Glenn (and many others who post here) are in the enviable positions
> 	of having made very positive contributions towards the success of the
> 	computer and environment we all hope will succeed in the marketplace.
> 	Most of the noise seems to be coming from others who don't fit into
> 	this category (and I include myself as one of the latter).

You don't think the people who *pay* Glenn and others to
develop those contributions by purchasing the
software have a right - no - an obligation to use the tools
available to consumers to give strong negative feedback
to a company?  Tough luck, because I (and others) do! 

> 
> I just feel I should add more support for Glenn and his crew.
> 

I haven't seen any postings that complained about the ads/RTF
that thought RightBrain produced poor software.  Quite the
opposite.  I've sent plenty of money to RightBrain.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Why doesn't RightBrain and others do this? (was: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF))
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:34:27 GMT

In article <883@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
> Glenn Reid writes
> 
> > No problem; we've programmed it so it won't send you any information
> > even if you ask it to :-)
> 
> I've already gotten a flame about this, so I thought I'd better clarify.
> 

I thought it was funny!

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: When Will NeXT Prices Drop?
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:58:14 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

Question for the Net:  Over the past two years we have seen the cost of
high-end Pee Cees fall by one-half to two-thirds.  At the same 
time, my University bookstore's prices for the basic slab (8/105) with 
starting point kit and monitor have  remained roughly the same -- excecpt
that you no longer get Improv for free.

When the slab  came out, it was a great deal in terms of price/performance.
The main issue two years ago was the viability of the platform.  Well,
that is still an issue two years later, but the price/performance benny
is not there (you can get a 486/50 with *color* and with sound and graphics ca- 
pabilities roughly comparable, if inferior, to NeXT's for $1,600).

What gives?

-- 
  James F.X. O'Gara
  kkw@wam.umd.edu

P.S.  I don't usually leave postscriptums, but I'll make this an exception.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:04:50 EDT
From: <MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Open Letter: Don't get rid of UNIX
 <1992Sep1.035230.11510@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Sep3.085451.4701@cubetech.com>

In article <1992Sep3.085451.4701@cubetech.com>, andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew
Loewenstern) says:

>NeXT was smart enough to go with unix from the beginning, and I think
>they are smart enough to stick with it for some time to come.  But I
>don't think the AppKit will stick with it, if you know what I mean.


Actually, they chose to go with the Mach kernel.  Once they had done that,
the choice of Unix was an accidental by-product.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: jon@afs.com (Jonathan Hendry)
Subject: NS3.0 release -- Advertising via telepathy?
Distribution: USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:54:16 GMT


#import <ansi/sarcasm.h>

Gee, this overwhelming media blitz about 3.0 shipping is just breathtaking. It  
seems that every time I switch on the TV there's Bo Jackson standing next to a  
cube with "Bo Knows Objects" on the screen. Or the two page spreads in all the  
papers. And the skywriting over Philadelphia. And the swedish bikini team  
descending upon Wall Street carrying big boxes of 3.0 CD's.

It's pretty sad when a company's new OS version ships and not even the people  
on the Net know exactly whether or not it's shipping at all.

Come on, NeXT! Get on the ball! Steve, give your ad agency a wake up call and  
get them moving! ("But Steve, we just ran a whole bunch of ads. They had big  
black letters and everything. You don't really think we need to do more  
advertising than that, do you?") Perhaps they're using the "Woodstock" method  
of advertising: "Maybe if we all think real hard, people will just KNOW about  
it and start calling! Yeah!"

It's time to tell everyone that yes, Virginia, NeXTs DO do Novell, and  
AppleTalk, and Renderman, and PS Level 2, and Pantone, and ISDN, and all the  
other funky stuff that's in 3.0. Standard. And they have it NOW.

And, perhaps more importantly, show what will be running on 486 clones in a few  
months! Let the folks look at a nice big screen shot of 3.0, then flip a few  
pages and take a look at Solaris. Sort of like admiring a Porsche, then bumping  
into a Nova.

Just my $.0314.

--
Jonathan Hendry  Anderson Financial Systems
jon@afs.com  (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Next vs Macintosh for the Graphic Professional (rtf)
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:00:56 GMT

jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>... but NeXT users that have "no NeXTmail please" in their .sig puzzle me.

Have any of the following situations occurred to you?

1. They don't have a NeXT but are interested in them.
2. Their NeXT's are not on the 'net and they use another for mail/news
3. They don't like Mail.app

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Avoid RightBrain for RTF ? (Who the heck are you people?)
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:19:47 GMT

vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) writes:
>When will you people stop whinning about the evils of RTF posting?

When you start paying for my feed.  Also, you have no idea what silent
newsreaders want, for you are not their representative.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:52:09 -0400 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Next vs Macintosh for the Graphic Professional (rtf)
	<BuCotL.9xG@research.canon.oz.au>

andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes:
> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> >... but NeXT users that have "no NeXTmail please" in their .sig puzzle me.
> 
> Have any of the following situations occurred to you?
> 
> 1. They don't have a NeXT but are interested in them.
> 2. Their NeXT's are not on the 'net and they use another for mail/news
> 3. They don't like Mail.app
4.  They use a different mail handling mechanism, which is much better
for unix mail, but barfs at NeXTmail (like we do...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Open Letter: Don't get rid of UNIX
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.055531.26412@pages.com> bwebster@pages.com writes:

[ ]
>
>Not that I'm a great fan of OS/2, but...IBM has sold 1,000,000 non-developer  
>copies. There aren't that many IS managers around, so *someone* else must be  
>using it. Actually, OS/2 stands a pretty decent chance vs. WinNT, simply  
>because it's shipping now to end users, and NT isn't (and probably won't until  
>mid-93, is my guess).  

From the point of view of a user (as opposed to a programmer) I'd like to add
my 2 cents here. I just got OS/2 (2.0). It's really nice. Once support for
Windows multimedia extensions is added in 2.1 (someone metioned they already
exist and are available from IBM, but I haven't been able to verify this) OS/2
will be simply all I, for one, would need at this point. There is some
software of interest at this time, but more importantly someone buying a 
Windows' application will have inexpensive upgrade paths to OS/2 versions.
Thus people can view software investment over the longer term. In particular,
there is a "TeX for people who don't want to learn TeX" program called
Scientific Word (Tom M. mentioned this a couple of weeks ago). It is currently
a Windows' application and is essentially LaTeX hidden by a graphical
front-end. They are moving this to OS/2 and the upgrade cost will be roughly
25% of the price of the program.
 
Given Scientific Word, SAS under OS/2, Gauss386 and an "MPC" campatible 
486/33 with colour, and S+ , I'd be hard pressed to argue in favour of a 
NeXT for anyone but programmers. It's a very wonderful computer with interestingusers, but the hardware price is keeping students away from the platform.
Since they represent the future, I can only assume that NeXTSTep will be 
a short lived item. It hasn't much of a chance on the 486, except for a
few people.
 
In short, OS/2 is really nice, inexpensive, runs on inexpensive hardware,
multitasks and I feel has a promising future. NeXT's BMW approach with 
pricing will come back to haunt them. 
>
>I'm a great NeXTSTEP fan--and our entire company is certainly betting on it  
>right now--but how long do you think it will be until there are 1M NS  
>installations?  ..bruce..

Probably never.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: Open Letter: Don't get rid of UNIX
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:55:31 GMT

In article <jbone.715620959@splat> jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes:
> again:  
> 
> 
> I can think of another good example of a barely existing OS --- OS/2.
> THAT got all kinds of praise when it was announced, etc.  Where are
> all the OS/2 boxes today?  Only in the shops of IS managers that bought
> it because it was "the" thing, and their managers are probably asking
> them now "when's that server going to be ported to UNIX".
> 

Not that I'm a great fan of OS/2, but...IBM has sold 1,000,000 non-developer  
copies. There aren't that many IS managers around, so *someone* else must be  
using it. Actually, OS/2 stands a pretty decent chance vs. WinNT, simply  
because it's shipping now to end users, and NT isn't (and probably won't until  
mid-93, is my guess).  

I'm a great NeXTSTEP fan--and our entire company is certainly betting on it  
right now--but how long do you think it will be until there are 1M NS  
installations?  ..bruce..

Bruce F. Webster
CTO, Pages Software Inc.
bwebster@pages.com
#import <pages/disclaimer.h>