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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:28:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> New thread. Cool!
|> 
|> Okay I'll exclude my favorite team (GIANTS) from this thread because then I'll
|> never stop.  From what I remember, here are some of the best and worst trades,
|> in my opinion:
|> 
|> BEST:
|> 
How about the Bengals trading Pete Johnson for James Brooks with San Diego?
Johnson did almost nothing.  Brooks went on to be the best back in Bengal
history.

|> 
|> satish nair

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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:15:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <8NOV199222255156@pierre.mit.edu> kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.052938.29671@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)   writes...
>>And so, Dougie my child, Stanford Stadium is in Stanford, CA.
>>You can look it up in a book published by your employer, Pacific Bell.
>>It's a very nice book called The White Pages.  I think you should
>>read it carefully.  It has lots of pictures.
>> 
>Yeah, it doesn't have much of a plot but the list of characters is great.
>Here is the obligatory d::-).


And it has great cover art!


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:26:35 GMT

In article <alb2001-061192153016@m248-105.bgsu.edu> alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni) writes:

   Pick of the Week -          Dallas at Detroit            Dallas by 14
																				   Look for Emmit Smith to run all over a banged up
																				   team.  Revenge from last year's playoff game!


Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  The Lions are not banged up
on defense.  Emmit may indeed run all over them, but if it happens it won't
be because of injuries.

Bill
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: coaching changes?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:36:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <BxHxF9.4nE@mail.boi.hp.com>,
keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>
>
>        Looks like it's late enough in the season to start speculating
>        on the guys that are going to find themselves in different jobs
>        in the near future. Offhand, I'd say some obvious choices are:
>
>        Jerry Glanville
>        Tom Flores
>        Dick Mc Phersen(sp?)(New England)
>        Joe Bugel
>
>        Strong possibilities:
>
>        Art Shell
>        Dan Reeves
>        Mike Ditka
>        Jack Pardee
>        Bruce Coslet
>
>
>        Any others?
>
>        -keith

A few actually!  As for Bugel, I think he has done a pretty decent
job down there in Phoenix, giving consideration to the division that
he has to play in. Could any other coach really do any better with
the available talent?

I heard that Reeves showed some interest in I believe
coaching Atlanta. I'm sure Atlanta would dump Glanville if they
could acquire the services of Reeves.
And who would fill Reeves shoes? Rumor has it that Shannahan (sp?)
might be offered the job. But isn't he under contract?

Its hard to say about Shell. If Oakland had a decent QB, their
record could very well be reversed. Its time that the Raiders think
about a youth movement. Keep Shell though.

Things could get really interesting if Parcells does elect to get
back into coaching. I bet he could do wonders in Atlanta!

One other interesting question for Miami fans is when is Shula going
to decide to step down? Could this be his final season?

                                                       Tony
                                                    GO 49ERS!!!
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: * dolphins lose again!
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:58:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


                           
> 
> 	Doug, your prattle is TRULY annoying.  If anyone wants to post without
> dealing with "THE BET II," they have every right to do so.
> 
> Snoopy

     Well the way I look at it is if someone is going to post something
that says Buffalo will Dominate Miami Nov. 16, I'm going to ask them
why they don't back it up. Maybe they don't believe as much as they lead
us to think.
                               -doug THE dolfan-
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:46:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.154824.23347@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.153151.7809@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>>> #   winner   loser  score       site     attend.          MVP
>>>---- -------------- -------   --------------------  -----------------
>>>XIX     SF vs Miami 38 - 16   Stanford     84,059   Montana, SF
>>                               ^^^^^^^^
>>The networks screwed this one up so bad it could be an answer to a triva
>>question. If you believe that the "site" is a city and not a school, then
>>they played in Palo Alto. After all, Pitt didn't play Rams at USC.
>What does USC have to do with Pasadena? It's not their home stadium.
>And it's almost 3 years since they last played  in the Rose Bowl.
>
>>>XIV   Pitt vs Rams  31 - 19   Pasadena    103,985   Bradshaw, Pitt
>
>No, this line should read:
>
>XIV   Pitt vs Rams  31 - 19   UCLA    103,985   Bradshaw, Pitt

Oops! But the orginal critique still stands.

>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          


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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Cowboys Trades (was Best/Worst Trades)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:56:39 GMT

In article <BxMHwv.Lv9@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>
>I am happy that JJ has helped speed up the return of the Dallas Cowboys,
>but I feel he is getting too much credit as an evaluator of talent.
>Steve Walsh is a great example.  Sure, the Cowboys got some good draft
>picks for Walsh, but they gave up the #1 pick in the draft that year to
>get Walsh in the first place (via their first-round supplemental draft).

You act like Johnson KNEW he would have the overall #1 the next year instead
of just a mid-1st-round pick.  Getting Walsh as trade bait or to push Aikman
or to back up Aikman are all possible scenarios.  Walsh filled ALL these roles
in his brief career with Dallas.  Yes, if Johnson/Jones knew they were using
the overall #1 the next year, it was a bad move.  Since they didn't know that,
and they expected a ~.500 season, they had reason to believe they were using an
overall #10-15 pick.  Maybe they were overly optimistic about Johnson's
progression up the learning curve of an NFL coach.

>The Falcons would have had the second pick, but thanks to the Walsh
>draft, they were in the #1 slot.  That pick was traded to the Colts
>for a) Andre Rison [all pro], b) Chris Hinton [all pro], and c) at least
>one 1st round draft pick.  I would suggest that the return on this
>trade was better than whatever JJ was able to salvage from the Saints.

Again, that trade was pulled off because everyone KNEW who had the overall #1
pick.  With a year of hindsight, it was not a wonderful move, but without
this hindsight, it was a good gamble.  And just because the Falcons got a
good deal doesn't diminish the fact that Dallas got a decent deal for Walsh.
For Walsh, Dallas got a #1 and a #3 (I think) for a first-rounder.  They got
Maryland (rather the pick for the overall #1) for a #1 and a #3 and practice
squad material.  Although the results turned out the same, the 2 situations 
are not equal since Dallas didn't know they had the overall #1 already when 
they drafted Walsh. 

>Jimmy is a very good coach, an OK evaluator of personnel, and great at taking
>advantage of stupid, trade-happy GMs (read Vikings and Saints).  Had he
>NOT drafted Walsh (Jimmys mistake), it is scary what he could have gotten
>from Indy for Jeff George.  I would bet it would have been more than
>Atlanta got, because this is what Jimmy is REALLY good at.  

Maybe he could have fleeced Indy better, but he still got solid picks for 
Walsh.  If New Orleans ended up with the overall #1 pick and had traded it
for Walsh, everyone would be crowing about what a genius JJ is, though.

>And the bottom line is this, "Would you want Jimmy Johnson making trades
>for your team?"  The answer is yes.  How well he drafts with all those
>picks is another issue.

How many picks do you think he has blown and why?

Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giants Ingram on IR
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:31:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

After tearing a knee ligament in Sundays game against the 'skins, WR
Mark Ingram under went arthroscopic knee surgery and has been placed on
IR.  This means Calloway and Smith of the Giants will be seeing more
action at WR during Sunday's game with Green Bay.  This probably will
not have a signifcant impact on the game as the Giants are more apt to
utilize backs and TE's in the passing game.  

Injury note for Green Bay:  Guard Rich Moran is probably out for the
year with a torn right knee ligament.  Frank Winters will start in his
place on Sunday.

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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: Raiders vs Philly
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:50:49 GMT

Ugh.  I'm so pissed off right now about the way things
have been going that I wouldn't be satisfied with the
Eagles D unless them completely demolish the Raiders
and the Eagles O rack up at least 350+ total yds.  Anything
less and I'll still be fuming.  Anyone else feel the same?

They gotta show that they are back on track.  They need
some kind of wake-up call to knock them out of this daze
they have been in.

I thought the loss to Washington would have led to a 
massacre of Pheonix.  Instead we choked.  If this loss
to Dallas doesn't get them going, then I don't know if we're
even going to get a wildcard spot, much less a SB.

It was tough living through the "swamped fox" era, and then
the Ryan era gave us a good team but added to our frustrations
by never getting us over the hump.  Last year was a whole season
of "Gee, if we only had Randall..." and now, after the first 4
terrific games which seemed as if we finally had THE team,
we're in a stupid midseason identity crisis?!?!?

This season is far from over.  We looked like we had the best
team in football early on, now at midseason Dallas seems to have
the best.  It doesn't matter.  Beginning, middle - it's irrelevent.
We just better be damn sure that we have the best team at the end
and have enough wins to make the playoffs!
From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions - Week 11
Keywords: computer, picks, predictions
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:59:33 GMT
Distribution: rec

ckoontz@fozzy.UUCP (Carl H. Koontz) writes:

>Houston    3
>Minnesota 51

This should have read:

Houston 3
Minnesota 61

>Seattle    3
>LA Raiders 10

Seattle 30
LA Raiders 10

:-)

Carl
ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE BET III
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:41:57 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In looking at NFL_1992 Scoreboard's ranking of teams, I was struck by
the fact that 4 of the teams in the Top 10 were from the NFC East.

In fact, 7 out of the Top 10 were in the NFC, indicating that at least one
of the top 10 teams in the league will not even make it to the playoffs,
whereas AFC stragglers like Cleveland and Kansas City will likely get
playoff berths.

This gave me a great idea for a bet, the most vicious type of bet possible.
Really down to basics here.  It is AFC vs. NFC: Which conference will win
the Super Bowl?

Those NFC fans who dare to bet that a team possibly not even their own
will beat any AFC representative should take this bet.  Likewise, those
AFC fans who are convinced that an AFC team's strength is equivalent to 
that of any team the NFC can send to the Bowl should take this bet also.

The loser of this bet will not be able to post ANYTHING (woof or otherwise)
to r.s.f.p until the opening kickoff of the 1993 regular season.  The winners
will have unlimited woofing and anti-woofing privileges, as well as the
opportunity to post preseason previews of their favorite team, flames of
stupid prediction posts, and so on.

I propose we name this "THE BET III".

The stakes are high, but I'm bettin'.
  
                         Name                 Pick
                         ---------------------------
                         Greg Franklin        NFC
                         (your name here?)
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:43:49 GMT
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

I still think the best one was by Peete when he was at USC.  I don't know 
the piticulars but he faked that he was going to touch his knee down and
then got up just before it hit and threw a pass to a receiver that was hanging 
out by the sidelines.

nate
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:31:02 GMT

 
|> NFC Central
|> 
|> Bears: Outdoor
|> Vikings: Indoor
|> Lions: Indoor
|> Bucs:  Outdoor
|> Packers: Outdoor
|> 
|> NFC East
|> 
|> Redskins:  Outdoor
|> Giants:  Outdoor
|> Cardinals:  Outdoor
|> Eagles: Outdoor
|> Cowboys: Indoor
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Players Outdoors, Most of fans under the roof.
|> 
|> NFC West
|> 
|> 49ers: Outdoors
|> Falcons: Outdoors
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Indoors, Ga Dome.
|> Saints: Indoors
|> Rams: Outdoors
|> 
|> AFC West
|> 
|> Broncos: Outdoor
|> Chargers: Outdoor
|> Chiefs: Outdoor
|> Raiders: Outdoor
|> Seahawks:  Indoor
|> 
|> AFC East
|> 
|> Buffalo: Outdoor
|> Miami: Outdoor
|> Colts: Indoor
|> Jets: Outdoor
|> Pats:  Outdoor (I think they moved from a domed to 
|>         a grass field last year)
|> 
|> AFC Central
|> 
|> Steelers: Outdoor
|> Browns: Outdoor
|> Bengals: Outdoor
|> Oilers: Indoor
|> 
|> -- 
|> Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
|> Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.

-- 
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From: Geis@spacvax.rice.edu ()
Subject: Re: Oilers blowing it again!!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:45:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.162904.6258@lgc.com>, ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew
Jackson) wrote:
> 
> The Oilers have no heart.
 
> The Oilers as we know it now will never get to the Super Bowl.
> They have no heart, no desire. They have had their chance and they
> blew it.
 
    One of the Oilers seems to agree with you; on a local radio show he was
critical of several teammates' lack of discipline (no names).  It has
caused
a minor stir, as everyone is trying to explain why this team is 5-3.
    O.K., the Oilers have lost 3 games, all of which they had a chance of 
winning.  Over the last few years, I have seen the Oilers blow games to 
teams that were much worse than them, and lose big; that, at least, has not
happened this year.  If they play good teams (and I hope we can all agree 
that Denver and Pittsburgh are at least good, if not great, teams) and
lose by only a few points, that at least is an improvement over the last
couple of years.
     The Oilers HAD their chance and blew it? 
    Hey, it's not over till the fat lady sings...

Paul Geis @spacvax.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: They might be faking it...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:49:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <910427m.63.721319824@ace.acadiau.ca> 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca writes:

> Bengels have the ball on or about their 45 yard line. 
> It's fourth down.
> 1 to go.
> The Bengals line up to go for it.
> The ever so intelligent ESPN reporter says;
> 'They're going to go for it, or at least fake it'
> 
> FAKE IT?????  What the hell does FAKE IT mean.  How the HELL to you fake 
> going on a fourth down?  I don't know, maybe this guy sees something I don'
> t.  But if you ask me, it's just plain stupidity.

  Well, he's not a complete idiot.  He probably meant that Cinci had no
intention of *really* going for it, but was simply hoping that Chicago would
jump offsides during a long snap count.  It might work, and the 5-yard delay of
game penalty only gives the punter a better shot at dropping the ball inside
the 20. 

  *That's* faking a "go for it".


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: v050j5h4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steven H Todman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Seahawk Mailing list
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


To the person compiling the mailing list for the Seahawks.  -I'm sorry, but
I can't find your email address, and was forced to post.  I just wanted to
tell you that my email address is V050j5h4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu.  I think
you had it wrong on your post.

Thanks,
          Steve
From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A Question (Respect for the Rams)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:43:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I can't speak for the fans of the Saints and 49ers, but after the Rams
almost win in the Georgia Dome, any Falcon fan should be humble enough
to respect the Rams offense. 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Draft
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.224223.12063@ncsu.edu> kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:

   >1- Drew Bledsoe (Wash St.) Tampa Bay needs a QB real bad! Wyche has shown a
   >	great amount of interest in him.
	   Unless the Bucs can trade for the pick, expect the Seahawks to take the local
   man.

Wow.  I know that Stouffer and Mcgwire (sp) haven't been too hot yet, but
they are both still young.  Do you really think the Seahawks will invest such
a high pick in another qb?

   >2- Garrison Hearst (Georgia) The Falcons need him, they should take him so
   >	Monday's game doesn't happen next season.
	   No, the falcons need a new offensive scheme, some TEs, and maybe a few
   line-men.  They've drafted RBs in the last two 1st rounds, but you can't get
   yards if there are no holes.

Why do they need a new offensive scheme?  They can't run the ball, but I
thought their team was still scoring a bunch of points?  I was under the
impression that most of their problems were on the OL and D.  Whitfield,
comming on next year, could help the OL a lot.

   >4- Dimitrius Debose (Notre Dame) Oh please Oh please let the GIANTS get
   him!!

I don't think Debose is going to bring it as a pro.  Solid player, sure, but
I don't think he is a #4 pick.

   >5- Rick Mirer (Notre Dame) Can't see any other losing team needing a QB.
   >	He'd certainly would be welcome on the Saints but Heberts doing 
   >	well for himself.
	   How about Tampa Bay, if Bledsoe is gone.

See Debose, and then some.

	   How about Faulk to someone?  Maybe Phoenix?

Faulk is not a senior.  If you want to dip down a bit to players that look
like they might jump, things change some.  Faulk could eaily be the #1 pick,
though it looks like his stock may be slipping.  I think that the ND
fullback, Bettis, could eaily be a top 10, and possibly top 5 pick.  He looks
like the best player on that team to me.

Bill
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