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From: an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Who is the President of the USA today???
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:33:47 GMT
Reply-To: an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Who is the President of the USA today???

Who IS the Vice President of the USA today???

Do you have the answer? Please respond!
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From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ))
Subject: Re: U.S. "TO PROVOKE IRAQ" on MONDAY
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:59:07 GMT

harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:

>Topic 31        -> U.S. TO PROVOKE IRAQ MONDAY <-       2 responses 

How does it feel to be consistantly wrong?


MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,seattle.general
From: bmb@bluemoon.rn.com (Bryan Bankhead)
Subject: Re: SWAT team kills innocent woman in No-Knock raid.
Keywords: SWAT police no-knock raid death
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:09:30 EDT

fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
> I honestly doubt this.  In Hudson, NH, a couple of years ago, a similar
> thing happened (the police killed the suspect they were looking for in full
> view of his family, but it turned out they were acting on a bad tip and the
> guy was innocent).  The cop who pulled the trigger completely rationalized
> it, saying that he acted appropriately, felt no guilt for killing an
> innocent man, and stayed on the job.
> 
> You may be underestimating people's ability for rationalization.  Cops
> really believe that the deaths of a few civilians is worth it, this is a
> war after all, and the ends justify the means.
Hell, screw the war on drugs now!  I this can happen to an old lady and 
the guy walks then none of us are safe in our beds!  Any of us that drifts 
to the top of some profile list can be blown away in one of their Rambo 
raids so what the diff what we do? Grow opium poppie in your back yard, 
give out free crack to school kids, grow pot on your roof who cares? Your 
are in just as much danger innocent as you are guilty so you might as well 
go in style....

 This is from
     bmb@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Open Borders For All!
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:31:58 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

cdwilde@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Wilde) wrote:
[ quoting something whose authorship he/she does not identify ]
>>      Just by looking at the statistics, it's clear that the
>> paranoid fear which is sweeping Europe with regard to the present
>> "flood" of immigrants has been carefully crafted by the ruling
>> powers to serve their ideological needs. Most migration takes
>> place within the nations of the Three Continents themselves; only
>> a very few people ever reach the wealthy northern metropoles.
> WRONG!  During 1988 and 1989, the majority of immigrants coming to Canada
> were from Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago.
> Refugees from Vietnam are flooding downtown Toronto even now.

The original posting said nothing about what proportion of immigrants to
First World countries were Third World refugees.  It said that the majority
of Third World refugees go to other places within the Third World.  Which
is true; there are about 43 million refugees at present, only a tiny
proportion of whom have made it to the developed countries.  The countries
that have received the highest numbers of refugees as a proportion of their
own population - Burundi, Malawi, Swaziland, Iran, Pakistan, Thailand - are
all poor.  (Croatia is somewhat better off, but still has nothing like the
resources of a country like Britain or the US).


> And tell me, what is wrong with giving preference to persons with skills
> and training (which is the real  reason people from the "North" cross
> borders)?  Nobody is interested in allowing immigrants that would simply
> end up on the welfare system.

Translation: "we've got the goodies, and if our system gets your home
shelled, your wife raped, your children mutilated by landmines and gets you
marched over the border at gunpoint, sorry, but you can just fuck off and
die before we'll share them".


Oops.  I just read the *rest* of that article.  That was the *mild* bit in
a genocidal tirade like nothing I've ever seen on the net before...  Is
this person another of the Banned CPU crowd, or what?  Do those wankers in
Oregon have a Canadian branch now?

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:53 PDT
Subject: EC fax nos. for Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500299:000:1597
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 20 07:53:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: EC fax nos. for Somalia

/* Written  7:52 am  Aug 20, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "EC fax nos. for Somalia" ---------- */
Messages to ECHO, the department of humanitarian aid to the "third world" of
the EC can now be faxed via SUNET.

The fax numbers are:

Mr_Molinier@f0093222992876.fax.sunet.se

Mr_Molinier@f0093222992877.fax.sunet.se

Development_Section@f0093222992872.fax.sunet.se
Development_Section@f0093222992875.fax.sunet.se
Development_Section@f0093222992894.fax.sunet.se

Please hasten to fax, if you will be so kind.  Please let me know if anything
goes wrong with the faxing.

I'm going to call the Washington Post, and hope to fax them also, to say
 In a country full of guns, with not enough food, there will of course
be looting.
  To withhold food on the grounds that there is looting is a recipe for
genocide with a built-in excuse.  But the excuse will not hold up.
  I respectfully urge our State Department to act immediately on the
recommendations of many relief workers:  FLOOD THE COUNTRY WITH FOOD.
  Doctors Without Borders headlines its new report THE COUNTDOWN TO
DEATH OF A WHOLE GENERATION.
  They say:
   "Only massive food aid will allow for a reduction of tensions and lessen
the attacks on humanitarian aid convoys."

   Please remember that 500 airlifts a week are going into Yugoslavia,
and the UN envoy to Somalia, Mohamed Sahnoun, has declared Somalia
to be safer than Yugoslavia.  We do not begrudge Yugoslavians any of their
food.  But a similar resolve must be found to get food to Somalia.

Xref: sparky alt.activism:14906 talk.politics.drugs:5825 alt.society.civil-liberty:5558 seattle.general:2590
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: SORRY, WRONG NEWSGROUP
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:48:33 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

HELLO!
Xref: sparky alt.activism:14831 alt.society.revolution:477
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: "Why Anti-Authoritarian?" by Larry Giddings
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:17:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum) writes:

>subject: "Why Anti-Authoritarian?" an essay by Larry Gidding
>posted by: AF/ATS
>--

>     Larry Giddings was born on October 6, 1952, and has been an
>anarchist revolutionary for his entire life. On August 21, 1971,
>Larry was wounded during a shoot-out and arms expropriation with
>four other comrades in Los Angeles. He was arrested and served 7
>years in jail. After he was set free, Larry lived in a food and
>prisoner support collective in the Bay Area and soon resumed
>clandestine acitivities with the aim of helping to liberate
>jailed comrades. On October 14, 1979, Larry was again wounded and
>captured, along with comrade Bill Dunne (an anti-authoritarian POW
>in Marion federal prison), during the liberation of a comrade
>from a Seattle jail. Larry was convicted of aiding an escape, the
>shooting of a police officer, conspiracy, and bank robberies (to
>garner funds for clandestine activities). 

       That's quite a resume.  And the AF/ATS isn't even claiming that
he was innocent.  Or that he was doing something positive that justified
violent action.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.discrimination,talk.abortion
From: rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Organization: Houston, TX
	<1992Aug04.225303.33154@watson.ibm.com>
	<Aug06.053904.68099@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<Aug08.040829.32076@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Aug11.185816.26931@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<RJOHNSON.92Aug13125458@conus.shell.com>
	<1992Aug17.185319.26187@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<RJOHNSON.92Aug18092840@conus.shell.com>
	<1992Aug19.202547.10043@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:02:11

mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
	Don't you think that the contemptuous tone of Steve Arnold's
   original posting--"the poor girl" constitutesa general slam at women?

I don't think so, but if you have a complaint about a person's presentation
that is not related to the discussion, flame them by e-mail.

   BTW, who are these famous women wo have abortions because their
   pregnancies interfere with their vacation plans?

I'm sure there aren't very many of them -- there may be none, but the
issue remains because the possibility remains.  On the other hand, I
don't know of any performed due to rape or incest, and that issue is
constantly being brought up.  (I don't deny that it happens, either.)

   They're forever being
   cited, yet I've yet to see any evidence of them. On the contrary, the
   vast majority of women seeking abortions appear to me to do so after a
   thorough examination of the implications of their situation and the
   options available to them.

I think that they tend to inflate the trauma of childbirth, automatically
ruling it out -- I don't think they do a "thorough examination".

	I'm not sure I understand how the life at stake is part of your
   life if your taxes fund it, though. Please clarify.

I spend a good bit of my life making money, some of which is taken in
taxes, some of which go to provide abortions.  It's a small portion of
my life, but since I have some stake in it, I'm involved.

	You're right in identifying my stance. Part of the reason for this
   stance is that if my partner and I were facing a crisis pregnancy, we
   would be extremely unhappy if you refused us the right to termainate it
   because you didn't like our reasons.
	The fact that we disagree on this may well be fine. However, as I
   have no intention of forcing you to follow my stance, I sincerely hope
   that you do not support legislation which would force me to follow
   yours.
	That would be far from fine.

Considering my political power, I think you have nothing to fear from me.
If, however, you consider abortion part of reasonable family planning, you
may have a lot to fear from those who believe it's irresponsible.
--
Roy Johnson, who is not Kibo
Shell Development Company (but speaking for myself)
"There's a big difference between being a lesbian and being a male!"
			-- tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Never again.  How soon we forget.
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:58:31 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <1992Aug12.144041.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> maxwell@fnalf.fnal.gov writes:

>Well, for me, the point is that the American News Media *lies* and *distorts*
>what it reports.

Some of us don't get our news from Yanks - this is, after all, an
international forum :-)

>I don't for a minute doubt that the Serbians *might* have death camps. I *am*
>suspicious as hell when the news comes out so one-sided.  

I don't believe the coverage _is_ one-sided in Canada, but the Serian
irregulars do seem to have the overall points lead in Brutality and Ethnic
Cleansing, and the Gold is clearly theirs...

>It's not a case of saying "sorry, you're just not worth it".  It *is* a case of
>saying, to Uncle Sam and his bootlicks (ABC-CBS-NBC-PBS-CNN) :"You are liars.
>You have been caught lying to us time and time and time again. Why should we
>trust you?" 

...and, while saying it, know with a certainty that women and children, and
other non-combatants, are being killed wantonly. I can see how that would
appeal to some.

-- 
"I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race.
It's one of those things it is easy to talk about -- `The Jewish race is being
exterminated,' says one party member, `that's quite clear, it's in our program
-- elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them.'"[Himmler]
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:04 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1296500296:cdp:1296500297:000:911
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 20 06:04:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!

/* Written  5:35 am  Aug 20, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "SOMALIA:US delays aid again!" ---------- */
Yesterday Doctors Without Borders faxed me their new report, headed
EMERGENCY IN THE THE HORN OF AFRICA--THE COUNTDOWN TO DEATH BEGINS.

They call the emergency unprecedented and their second paragraph reads:

Our worst fears have com true:  the Somalian people is dying.  Since 1991
all aid organizations involved in Somalia have been asking for more
help to avoid the tragedy.  Now the countdown to death has started.

/end of quote/

A friend told me she heard on the radio recently a report from a feeding
center, describing how the children were given their cup of broth, but
were so weak from hunger, it just came right out the other end. They
were too weak to make it to the latrines.

Please see next post.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: reagan
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:28:42 GMT
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In article <cass8806.233@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:

>	i suppose everyone saw the convention last night. i think my blood 
>pressure rose perceptably. 

Good.  If all the Liberals have heart attacks we win by default.

>pat buchannan, what a man -- i couldn't have said 
>anything any more damming about the republican party than what came out of 
>that mans mouth. whose side is he on anyway? i loved the homophobia
>bit, 

Hate to break it to you, but anti-gay is very popular in the states
even if you don't like it.  Betcha the Oregon constitutional
amendments win.

>the 
>anti-feminisim bit,

Same.

>the anti black bit.

What anti-black bit?  I heard an anti-criminal bit, but most blacks
aren't criminals.

>	i think they ought to let quayle run the whole show. 

At least Quayle knows how to use capital letters even if he can't
spell potato.
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From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: "SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS" versus "The National Interest"
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:32:39 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB


     ===========================================================
     C h o m s k y   o n   " S p e c i a l   I n t e r e s t s "
     ===========================================================

Many terms in political discourse are used in a technical sense 
that's very much divorced from their actual meaning, sometimes 
even the opposite of it. 

Take the "national interest."  The term is commonly used as if 
it's something good for all of us.  If a political leader says, 
"I'm doing this in the national interest," you're supposed to 
feel good because that's for you.  

But if you look closely, it turns out that the national interest 
is not defined as the interest of the entire population.  It's 
really the interests of small, dominant elites who command the 
resources that enable them to control the state--basically 
corporate-based elites.  Correspondingly, the "special 
interests," of whom we're all supposed to be suspicious, really 
refer to the general population. 

This became very clear during the last few presidential 
campaigns.  President Reagan is largely a figment of the public 
relations industry, and the public relations industry, and the 
public relations aspects of it, including control over language, 
are very striking.  Every choice of terms by the Reagan public 
relations machine was carefully crafted.   

In both the 1980 and the 1984 elections, Reagan and his handlers 
identified the Democrats as the "party of special interests." 
That's bad, because we're all against the special interests.  But 
if you asked who the special interests were, they listed women, 
poor people, workers, young people, old people, ethnic 
minorities,--in fact, the vast majority of the population.   

One group was not listed among the special interests--the 
corporations.  In the campaign rhetoric, that was never a SPECIAL 
interest, and in their [view] that's right--because that's the NATIONAL 
interest.   

--Noam Chomsky 

[From: "Propaganda Systems: Orwell's and Ours" by Noam Chomsky,
Premier Issues of _Propaganda Review_. For more information about
_PR_, email ppaull@igc.org]

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: "Free elections" indeed
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:20:48 GMT
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In article <1992Aug18.144709.497@sdi.com> finkel@sdi.com writes:

>	 That the Sandinista organized death squads is a smear; where's
>	 the evidence? The first act of the Sandinista government was to
>	 outlaw capital punishment, and there is no evidence that this
>	 rule was ever violated.

This is a lie.  For example, a few years ago, I posted a description
of the torture-murder of Commander Bravo, one of the first Contra
leaders, by Sandinista agents.  Among other things, they skinned his
face and castrated him.

Also, a year or two ago the NYT described a pit where a Sandinista
death squad had thrown the dead bodies of their victims.  They were
most of the men of a small village that had supported the Contras.
Some of the bodies had risen to the surface.  There was a pair of
rubber boots with the leg and thigh bones of their owner still inside
them and the ankles tied together sticking our of the ground.  Other
bodies were still buried but were found upon excavation.  The
villagers described the killers as Sandinistas.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,alt.politics.elections,alt.save.the.earth
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: ESL, a TRW Subsidiary

In article 21043@iti.org, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>
>Well Well, for weeks I have been asking Harel just what he would do about the
>current situation in Iraq. I guess this is the closest he will get
>to giving an answer.
>
 The amusing thing is that he's (a) critisizing the US for coddling an
iron fisted dictator as part of a master plan to maintain a dictatorship
in Iraq, and (b) critisizing the US for maintaining a policy that is intended
to remove the dictator from power, and to eliminate his access to weapons
of mass destruction.

I suppose I could work up a parody of Chomsky-speak (use lots of commas,
dependent clauses, and loaded terms and you can't go wrong) that paints
Harel as a Saddam-snuggler with an evil agenda.  But Harel seems to have
cornered the market in Chomsky parodies of late, even if they are unintentional.

---
Don McGregor | Life is like high school, only with money and guns. 
drm@esl.com  | 

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:16:39 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BsIABA.6BB@newcastle.ac.uk>, Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:
> 
>         [soc.motss dropped from Newsgroups line]
> 
> dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:
> 
>>Actually, individualists _do_ owe each other one thing, which transforms us
>>from cannibals to social animals:  to refrain from invading each other's
>>person and property.
> 
> Did anyone else think of the Good Samaritan at this point?

	Not me.

	Is there a reason we should have?

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