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From: F1.LWD@isumvs.iastate.edu (Lois Domek)
Subject: Help in Gaelic
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:17:17 GMT


THE language?
Just so's Irish doesn't get all the students (grin):
A GRAMMAR OF THE MANX LANGUAGE by J.J. Kneen, Oxford University
Press: London. 1931.

Lhiannan y Llysieuydd
Axed Root, Calontir
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 13:06:15 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: F Y CN RED THS Y MST BE WLSH

J CN M NT

VJK
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Laws Regarding Transport of Homebrew; Federal and State
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:29:48 -0500

jschmidt@gambrinus.tymnet.com (John Schmidt) writes:

 JS> My understanding, based on discussion with
 JS> other brewers and clubs, is that I may produce up to 200 gallons per year
 JS> of homebrewed beer, wine or similar beverages, and may NOT trade or sell
 JS> any of it (bartering is a legal trade in California).

Harrumph!  Well then maybe you can do something like GIVE it away to people
who've been your close personal friend for a whole five minutes or so, and who
might be tempted to show their appreciation by making you a gift of, say, a nice
hat or whatever.

 JS> However, someone
 JS> else looking into the situation has found the ruling to be that we may
 JS> not transport the brew to our events without special dispensation.

Does the ruling say, FROM WHOM?  If not, then heck, by the powers NOT vested in
me by the State of California or any other, *I* hereby grant you Special
Dispensation... especially if this makes me your Close Personal Friend as per
above!  B-)


From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Horde, Money, Camping
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:14:02

... I've heard one of the Horde Groups listed as "Tchukka-free Horde", too... but was gone from the Midrealm before the split, so have no further info. Enlighten us, o those-who-know-the dirt--er, truth!

In Ansteorra, we might actually have 10 NON-CAMPING events a year!  Quite a difference from your listing of 25 Camping.  Of course, as a decadent Persian who doth not camp, I'm able to listen sympathetically to my friend's descriptions of how wet/cold/noisy their sleeping arrangements were on site.... and offer them a place in my nice air-conditioned hotel room (you can't always find crash space *sigh*) for the next night.  

WHo else has two-day events?  We'll sometimes have tourneys both days, and a final court afterwards to hand out Sunday's prizes.  I'm curious whether any of the more northern groups do this. I know the Midrealm didn't when I was there, save for rare occasions.

- Vashti


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jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:

> A clarification here, my lords and ladies.
> 
> 	When I say I want references to SCA in fiction, I don't
> want SF books that are kind of based on the SCA, I want the
> SCA named or certain aspects of the organization named.

  _Escape Velocity_ by Christopher Stascheff (sp?).
 
Kevin
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:35:40 GMT
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

vnend@nudity.UUCP (David W. James) writes:

> In message <9040254@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, Kevin writes:
> >Open faced helm remember???
> 
> Ah...  Kevin, the kingdoms that don't allow facethrusts generally
> say that we are wearing closed helms.  Atlantia was originally part
> of such a kingdom, so perhaps they have facethrusts and assume some
> form of face covering?  Someone from Atlantia want to comment?
> Robbyan?

  Hmmm.  Society standard says open-faced.  But I guess that falls under the
rule that kingdoms may create stricter standards.  Anyway, close-faced does
not mean "thrust proof", that's one of the reasons "foining" or thrusting
with a sword was forbidden in later period tournament.
  As for saying that there is a face covering that needs to be penetrated by
a thrust goes - ICK - what a great way to invite whiplash problems.
 
> Kwellend-Njal
> 
Kevin
From: gorilla@cats.ucsc.edu (Joe Mama)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Welsh v AngloSaxon: Jokes?
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32411
Organization: College of St. David, Seneschal-To-Be Dept.


Unto the Rialto doth Caradoc ap Gwydion send his greetings.

My good friend and colleague, the chronicler of the College of St. David
happens to be of Anglo-Saxon stock. She and I (a Welshman) are always
swapping jokes concerning the two. These appear in a section of the 
St. David's Harbinger in the Border Wars section, which is devoted to
our little banter. Here is an example of one of these jokes:
Q: Why are all Welsh jokes One-liners?
A: So that the Anlgo-Saxons can understand them.

My query, then, is twofold: First, do these "wars" occur in other parts
of the Knowne World, and secondly, does anyone have some Anglo-Saxon 
(or Welsh I suppose) jokes that we could use?

Good Thanks, and may Arianrhod bless you.

Caradoc



###############################################################################
Caradoc ap Gwydion 
Scribe of the College of St. David's            Chris Arnold
Barony of Darkwood,				gorilla@cats.ucsc.edu 
Principality of the Mists,              
West Kingdom.
From: Trebor
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Inquiry to Rialtans
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:58:17 GMT
Organization: Middle Kingdom

In article <260-JNEWS-1.2@smylex.UUCP> jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee) writes:

>
>I, too, have done this, usually the day after I've returned from an event.
>
>Far worse, though, was when I was introduced to a new female co-worker 
>after one Pennsic, and kissed her hand when she extended it for a handshake.

I did something similar once.I was attending a charity fundraiser reception as
part of my job and at one point I was introducted to the 20 year old daughter
of one of my co-workers (I was 21 at the time). She held her hand out and I
started to "instictively" kneel to kiss it.
About halfway down I realized what I was doing, but since I was commited I
continued with the best grace I coud, saying something like "it is a pleasure
to meet so lovley a lady." The daughter was surprised, but seemed somewhat
flatered also. Since the mother knew what I did on the weekends I think she
understood too. 
Since then I've tried very hard not to do anything like that again though, many
people would not be that understanding. My only consistent slip is that I tend
to refer to my lady as "my lady" in mundane conversation instead of "my
girlfriend."
In a way though, it does have a certain elegeance about it.

Trebor Stephenson
Barony of Northwoods
Middle Kingdom
From: aclark@vaxsrv1.royalroads.ca (Al Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Central Canada
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:46:16 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	Where can I get information about SCA in Ontario, Canada?

	I seem to be having trouble getting on the list here - unless it 
is merely not sending me anything.  Please reply to my address, not 
the list.  Thanks.

A
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: More membership???
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:09:06

RW>I have never heard such a stupid argument to rationalize national
RW>membership! Why does he think that a policy of requiring that all       
RW>attendees be members would cut down on attendance at events??? Sure, it 
RW>might initially, but what would probably happen is that prospective     
RW>folks would just play locally at meetings and fighter practices and such
RW>until they decided to become members. Some might just attend locally FOR
RW>YEARS.                                                                  

Vashti, this brings up something I hadn't thought about.

While I feel that the "important" part of the SCA is events (you
know, the things they hold on weekends, with tourney's and courts
and stuff like that), I know a large number of people who feel like
events are just a sideline, and that the local guilds and meetings
are what the SCA is all about.  Here in the Steppes, with so many
local things to do, many people don't travel to events outside the
area, and still think of themselves (and are thought of) as active.

If membership were required, these people would continue to play
locally, but would be even *less* likely to go to the real events.
They might even skip Steppes Warlord and other events that the
barony puts on, since the membership requirements could keep them
either from coming or from participating, depending on how it was
set up.  Horrible, horrible idea, huh?

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
Steppes/Ansteorra  FIDO 1:124/4229

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From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Rialto & Groups; PerP
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 05:07:00

In response to Arval's comment about over-long lines...

Tadhg writes...
>Almost certainly the fault of whatever software translates between
>FidoNet and Usenet - FidoNet BBS editors work within the 80
>character limit of most PC screens.

Justin du Coeur writes...
>No, I believe that you're wrong here. Your messages and Vashti's
>are coming out with super-long lines (around 200 characters or so
>-- I had to edit your message in order to respond to it), but
>Stephen of the Grove's messages, also from Herald's Point, look
>just fine. This would seem to indicate that the problem is at the
>editing level, not the transmission level.

Tadhg replies...
>Vashti uses the editor that comes with the BBS. I use a different system
>that reads the message base directly, and use My Favorite Text Editor,
>QEDIT. Stephan uses an offline reader called MegaMail, which has its own
>built-in editor. All of these do "word wrap" and none of us worries
>about line ends.

Justin, I have to agree with Tadhg here.  I am glad that MegaMail
apparently puts in hard carriage returns, but many editors in the
personal computer world use soft returns.  Our msg. base is not in
any way compatible with the internet, and goes through a conversion
process at another BBS which then gates them to the internet.
Msgs. coming to us from the internet go through the gating process
again, converting from the internet way of storing things to the
Fidonet way of storing things.  IMHO, this conversion should
include converting the soft returns to hard returns if the internet
can't deal with the soft returns.

In the meantime, since that is out of our control, I'll see what
options I can come up with.
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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: magic
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:53:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.9204161353.AA28411
Organization: The Internet


The problem with our discussion on magic is this: magic is a vague
term, like art, and can mean anything you want it to mean.  It
encompasses everything from witchcraft and divination to conjuring and
entertainment.  I think that the latter has only existed, on a
respectable basis, for the past two hundred years, although I could be
wrong.  (I do recall that the first "profesional magicians" in
the modern sense worked around the beginning of the 19th century).

I was going to post more but I have to run off to class...

Fujimoto
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Taxes
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <9204141544.aa27651@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:
>Unto the good gentles who frequent
>this place, greetings. May the Lord
>pour molten lead down the throats of
>all tax collectors.

Excepting Wulfstan Darroldson, former Kingdom Exchequer of the West, who
gives us all good advice and coaches Mistress Eilis on deducting her
SCA expenses (which, since she is Seneschal of a Kingdom stretching
halfway round the globe, are extensive).


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: 97549759@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Dayton)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: AN EVENT!!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:49:33 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In Eastern washington there is an Event!!!!  The War of Honor:  Come one come all... Check your Crier for the Details...It's on April 25  or email me for more info...

Hearn of Hrasvelgr
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: M-word: new ruling from Hilary
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:29:08 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

The following column, from the East Kingdom Seneschal, is excerpted with
permission from the May Pikestaff.  (As it has a bearing on the membership
question, I asked permission to post it here early.)

    Now seneschals:  In her last letter to me, Mistress
    Hilary has clarified a point in Corpora.  As autoctrats are de
    facto officers of a group while they are planning and running their
    event, autocrats are now subject to the same restrictions that
    officers are.  Effective immediately local seneschals are
    responsible for making sure that all autocrats of their group's
    events are PAID members of the SCA, Inc.

Personal opinion: this is thoroughly unreasonable.  The local seneschal
is already responsible for the legal aspects of events; why should autocrats
also need to be members?    I hope this decision comes under review when
the BoD deals with the membership question.  Sure, you can get around this
by having an "autocrat of record" (who is a paid member) who has nothing
to do with the actual running of the event, but why should we have to play
these games?  I would guess that about half of the autocrats in our group
aren't members; now we're going to make them pay $12 to the corporation
in order to be allowed to volunteer their services in a job that most people
won't do?

Ellisif Flakkari
East Kingdom Chronicler
From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Classes
Summary: Whom to contact?
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:01:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles send greetings.

My friend wisheth to teachen at the Pennsic War.  Whom shall she asken?
Who decideth swich things?

I thank you for your replies.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: The last of mine own mundane interactions
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:22:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr16.172233.14672
Organization: Western Washington University

My last mundane interaction story: the tale of

			THE DUKE AND THE 'DOZER

The Duke in question is Duke Sir Torgul Bahadur of An Tir.  I forget the 
specific event, although I clearly recall the site: Ravenna Park in Seattle. 
Nice sunny day (we just tell the Californians it rains all the time); things 
were tourneying and reveling right along.  (At that time merely Milord) Torgul
was a cocky young stick jock of nonetheless respectable fighting skill, and 
he and several other fighters were engaged in a brag session or some such.  In
the background, a low, quiet rumble was heard building upon the air, rapidly
increasing until a rather large bulldozer, presumably under the command of the
parks department, came down the dirt path edging our activities and threatened
to encroach upon them.

In a silly dramatic fit, I screamed, "A dragon!  A dragon!  O (inspecific
deity), won't some brave knight save us from this loathsome beast?" (or 
something to that effect).

Torgul, ham that he was, immediately leapt toward the 'dozer, parrying its 
subtle (nigh on invisible) attacks, and eventually stabbing it in the scoop.
(One may wonder what the driver thought of all this, but he didn't seem to 
react.)  Torgul turned away, a look of smug satisfaction on his face.

Five seconds later, something in the belly of that steel beast (apologies to
Spielberg) went "ERRRRRRKKKKK! Sputputterputterlplplplplplppp!" and it ground
to a crunching mechanical halt.  For as long as we were there that day, its
driver COULD NOT get it to start, finally locking it up and leaving it.

And that is how Sir Torgul slew the dragon.
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: SCA Manners outside the SCA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:43:11 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr13.211123.12165@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:
>To all upon the rialto doth Charles send his greetings.
>
>Cinaed de Moray writeth:
>> me cringe, but.... after Pennsic, I was constantly manoeveuring to 
>> a womans left when walking beside her (from having worn a sword on
>> my left side for most of the nine days, and having the lady walk on
>
>I realize that it's old-fashioned, but I was raised with the continental
>rule, "lady on the right."  Please do not bother to explain that there was
>a different rule in ninetheenth century England: I know that.  This was
>the rule used on the continent around the same time.
>
>It is a custom that can be observed very inobtrusively, with practice, and
>it is also relatively symmetric, so it is less prone to provoking feminist
>wrath than most other courtesies.

	The 'rule' I read somewhere and can supply no documentation for
whatsoever, is that in medieval towns, a lady walked on the street side,
whichever side that was, so if someone emptied a slop jar from an upper
story, the contents would land on the gentleman, not the lady. 
	Later, 18th or 19th century, street traffic was pretty swift, so
the lady walked on the inside, so when a carriage rushed by the gentleman
would be the one to get splashed with mud.
	Practically speaking, I have noticed that the one who has a person
on their right arm (assuming both are right handed) is effectively in 
control of where the couple goes, because that person has better leverage.
Needless to say, my lord thinks I belong on his right, the sword is just
an excuse :)
								-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         |    Ilaine's EZ-garb workshop:
Ilaine de Cameron  |
                   |    "First, take a sheep. Start with a small one ..."
ilaine@panix.com   |
From: kevin%athens.dnet@isi.COM (No Sparrow Shall Fall)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: rSCA in fiction - need help
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:30:09 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Geoffrey de la Iglesia notes:

> I am compiling a list of SCA references in fiction.  So far, 
> the only books I know of are the following:

Cloak of Anarchy (short story)  Larry Niven
                                one line
The Wizard Compiled             Rick Cook
                                1.5 chapters, with frequent side-notes
Escape Velocity                 Christopher Stasheff
                                ~ a chapter
Folk of the Air                 Peter Beagle
                                (It's not the SCA, it's what the SCA MIGHT
                                have been, were magic and other oddities
                                extant.)

I know there are a lot of them out there these days; these were 
just the ones which came to mind.

Keradwc
  kconnery@isi.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: shick@europa.asd.contel.COM (steve hick)
Subject: Re: Northern VA or Southern MD or DC
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:16:55 GMT

Brigihd,

Yes there are several sizable groups in the Washington DC metro area.  There 
are the Baronies of Storvik (300 members), Ponte Alto (150 members) and 
Lochmere (50 members) as well as several large  shires. More people than you 
can shake a stick at.  

Strykar

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: kevin%athens.dnet@isi.COM (Keradwc an Cai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Why are we here? (Was Why call blows light?)
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:37:50 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Sir Kevin responded to an earlier comment of mine, thus:

| > No,'safer' combat is not what we're aiming for, overall. Some of us are
| > trying to understand the mechanics of medieval combat (leverage, delivery,
| > powerthrough, etc.); others do it [lots deleted]
|
|   Yes, safe combat IS what we are after.  We are SIMULATING period combat,
| NOT period injuries.  If we had no avowed interest in making the simulation
| reasonably safe we would never get insurance I think.  You are engaging in
| wishful thinking otherwise, we are indeed trying to minimize the risk of 
| any serious injury.

Alas, it appears I was unclear.

Within the boundaries of simulating period combat, we DO want to minimize
the danger. But it is not the aim of what we do, or we would drop some/
many of the current practices to reduce the incidence of accidents. Touch-
kill, for example, could easily reduce the injuries. But in so doing, it
reduces the 'accuracy' of the simulation.

I agree that nobody [I hope] goes out on the field hoping to get injured,
brused, or the like; this does mean safety is a consideration. But it
is NOT why we go out on the field -- obviously merely being on the field
increases the danger from being an observer -- is it simply one of many
sub-goals (boundaries, parameters, etc.) to the overall activity.

For some, this means wearing chain and minimum permitted additions, even
though the chances of bruising through chain is greater than through many
other, easier to make, armor designs. For others, it may be something else.
But 'safe combat' is not, by itself, our particular target.

Keradwc
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From: shick@europa.asd.contel.COM (steve hick)
Subject: Re: splitting shields
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:12:06 GMT

Greetings,

There exists several manuals which either fully, or in part, discuss the use of 
polearms.  I have just finished the analysis of some of them, including Flos 
Duellatorum (1410), Talhoffer (1443, 1459, 1467) , Marozzo (1539)  and an 
anonymous Burgundian manual of the 15th century entitled "Le Jeu de la hache de 
l'arme".  Each shows full swing blows (in Le Jeu:  "Tour de bras" Roundhouse 
blow) but they are not recommended.  Instead shorter blows (Le Jeu: coup, eg. 
"coup de mail de la tete" blow to the head with the hammer).  There is very 
little discussion of 'splitting shields' as they were not used much in period 
in the joust or judicial lists.

Strykar