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From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Dealing with Dealers
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:54:35 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

     I'm posting this to inform people that may not know about dealers.
I have heard people on here talk about going down to the local
audio store and seeing something they wanted, yet shyed away from
due to the "pricy" tag. As I stated in an earlier post, dealers
are out there to take your money. They put those tags on the equipment
for the first time buyers who come into the store and get captured
or better yet "hypmotized" under the dealers spell. The dealer will
tell you this here amp is heaven sent and a bargain. It isn't! The
naive newcomer will say "i'll take it!". Just say no! Offer him
something in YOUR price range. Dealers will go down on their prices
when they see someone who knows what they're doing. I've done it
since I got into this hobby a year ago.  And if it weren't for it,
this hobby would be too expensive for my blood. From my experience,
what most dealers do is price a product with the manufacturers
selected price(bogus). 
    When you go to buy a car, do you pay whats on the sticker? Of
course not! You bargain with the guy until the cars in your price
range. Same thing holds true here believe it or not.

My techniques:

       1) Tell him you seen the (amp,speaker,radio) at another
          store for less(lie,lie,lie). Ask why you should buy
          it from them at that price. Or say another dealer
          wants to give you a better deal down the street.

       2) When you get him down, don't stop there, GO to the other
          dealer and say the same thing to him. You DID get a
          lower price from another dealer and tell this guy to
          beat it if he wants your business. Do this until
          either you get your price or they say no more price
          cuts(you got him down to little profit margin).

       3) Keep going back and forth between different dealers
          that carry what you want AND try one who doesn't
          carry that certain brand. You might find something
          out that you didn't know about what you wanted and
          now have something to say to the other dealers.

      Example: You want a Rockford amp. You went to 3 places that 
               carried them and found the dealers pretty stiff
               in getting the price down more than 10 bucks.
               You decide to go to some place in another city
               who tells you Rockford amps are garbage because
               of the low s/n ratio and overated and have the 
               most unsatisfied customers,not to mention break
               easily. Now, assuming you still want it, Go back
               to the Rockford dealer and say you changed your
               mind. You're going with a better priced Alpine
               that has a better s/n ratio, etc. He may feel
               he's losing you and drop the price even more!
              Trust me, I've done this.

   Happy bargaining
From: cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Advice to Beginners
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:41:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <24970@dog.ee.lbl.gov> fjohnson@lbl.gov (Fred Johnson) writes:
>I have been involved with car stereos for about 5 years now and I would
>like to offer some advice to those who are just starting out:
>
>1) Learn as much as you can about car stereo, either through magazines or
>experienced car audiophiles.
>
>2) Try to purchase as much equipment through a reputable mail order
>house.  (American Audio is an authorized dealer of many manufacturers and
>has great service, quality, and prices.)  This is a great way to save
>money.
>
>3) Try to build and install everything by yourself.  Not only will you
>learn a great deal from hands-on experience, but you will also save a lot
>of money.
>
>Good Luck.


	I was going to write something like this when my stereo was
finished but since it has been written I thought I might as well reply.

	I agree totally that a novice should educate himself (herself)
in car audio before attempting anything.

	Also that the person should try to do everything himself
(herself).

	There is an article in CA&E about the same topic.


	The reson for all of this is not only to familiarize yourself
with car audio, but also to take pride in what you do. 

	When I'm done, my car will turn heads, even though it turns
heads now (it is half done).


			But anyways,   it's also cheaper.


					Chris

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From: mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Need A system for 92 Civic Sedan
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BruMsx.7CJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, mwbenne@lambert.waterloo.edu writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>   I need a stereo for my new car.  The dealer wanted to put 
> a Toshiba in it for about $300 but that didn't seem like such
> a hot deal.  
> 
>   Basically I want a 4 speaker system with a good tape deck in the 
> dash with a CD changer in the trunk.
> 
>   I'd like to solicit recommendations for:
> 
>     front speakers,
>     rear speakers,
>     tape decks,
>     CD changers
> 
>   The system should cost at most $1500.  I'd really like to spend only $1000
> but will be flexible if I find something really great.
> 
>   I'll post a summery if there is sufficient response.
> 
> Thanks,
> ...Markus

My suggestion would to be to go with a Sony head unit and changer, and go for
some really good speakers and amps.

In my area (Philadelphia), you can get a Sony XR-U500 head unit for about $400,
and a Sony CDX-U300 changer for about $400.
In my opinion, this would be a solid base for starting a good sound system
without spending enormous sums of money (I know, I have an Eclipse system).

Then go for the best speakers you can afford. MB Quart 218CS?, a/d/s 320i or 
some equivalent 2-way component speakers in the front doors will give you
excellent sound for about $200-250. Add some 6x9 speakers in the rear deck
for fill. I've had good experiences with Boston Acoustics and MB Quart
speakers, so I could recommend them.

Unless you are looking for a "boom" system, ~30W/channel should be sufficient.
There are many nice 30W x 4 amps out there, for about $200 which should be
adequate for your needs.

Put together, this would sum up to be an excellent system for your car. 
However, unless you are experienced in installing stereo equipment in cars, 
take it to a professional installer. That way, if something gets screwed up,
they're responsible instead of you.

By the way, I'm not affiliated with any of the above companies or a stereo
retailer. I've bought systems for my own cars and helped some friends with
theirs, just passing on some of my experiences.
From: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: >>>>> PIONEER M7200 Forsale <<<<<
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:32:56 GMT
Reply-To: dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Pioneer KEH-M7200 - Multi-CD control/TUNER/DECK

  - Brandnew
  - Removable Front Panel protects against theft
  - Multi CD control for CD changer
  - Super Tuner III
  - Best station memory
  - auto reverse tape deck
  - Dolby B NR
  - Radio/CD intercept allows uninterrupted reception during
    tapes's FF/REW
  - Fader can control up to 8 speakers
  - Current New Price : $349.00
  - Save on sales tax 
  - Asking Price $310.00. 

Reply to David : dkw00@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com
                 (408) 746-8080
                 (415) 340-3833 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: rdjeline@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Richard Jelinek)
Subject: shock-proof CD Player wanted
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:32:00 GMT

Hi !

Yeah ! At leats a profi group found !

My problem:
I have a nice car and a shitty audio system.

The wanted solution:
A GOOD audio system.

But: The car is one of those hard-on-road things some atoms above
the street and so the shock absorber are extremly hard.

I want a CD but all players I know would go K.O. if I drive over
the next sewer. I heard sony has some nice of piece, that puffers
the Music for about 5 sec. in RAM. So that you do not recognize
if playing from RAM after a shock. But I havent seen this yet.

Does anyone know help ?

Ciao
    Rico
     Rico
From: frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Bordon  436)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Building speaker box in door
Summary: Need small enclosure in door for 6.5" speakers
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:30:14 GMT
Distribution: rec.audio.car
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


I have some 6.5" Alpine wid-woofers (6062?) in my doors. They sound OK
but I've been told that they would sound much better if they had some
type of sealed enclosure. They are in a Dodge D-50 and I have no
idea how to get an enclosure inside these doors. Sealing the doors
themselves may work also but would be very difficult. They have drainage
holes in the bottom of the door expecting water to enter around the
window.

If anyone has done something like this and has some suggestions please
mail me. The enclosures do not need to be very large (~.25 cubic feet) but
can not go very deep into the door (~3"). The enclosure may be fairly wide
though but I don't know what to make the enclosure out of or how to get
it in the door.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
frankb
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Is the Sparkomatic Bass Cannon 8" Amplified Subwoofer any good?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:22:16 GMT
Organization: City University, London

I can get the above amplified subwoofer here for around 90 quids.
1. Is this good value?
2. Is this a good product?
3. Is this the easiest/cheapest way to get the missing lower octaves?


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Bordon  436)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Opinions sought on Sony CDX-5180 CD player
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:18:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3228
Distribution: rec
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Jul22.013559.13351@sco.COM> davidv@sco.COM (Uncle David) writes:

>the general consensus that detachable face-plates are worse than 
>pullouts? however, it sounds like thieves will take anything, 
>including the sleeve for a pullout. so matter what, yer screwed.

>David Vangerov, Systems Analyst - Advanced Technologies, Information Services.
>Voice: 408-425-7222, x4357 | Email: ...!uunet!sco!davidv | SCO would never say 
>Fax:   408-427-5460        |        davidv@sco.com       | something this lame
>  "First rule of bicycling: you're always going up a hill and into the wind"

Well if they do take the pullout sleeve you can at least replace it without
forking out big $$. Having the numbers for you pull-out, you should be
able to buy another sleeve at a reasonable price.

I'm just guessing but I bet it would cost close to full price to replace
everything but the face plate. 

See ya!
frankb
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Head units with subwoofer control?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:48:43 GMT
Organization: City University, London

I have come across Sanyo radio-cassettes with a knob for
subwoofer control.
1. Are there other makes that do this?
2. Can I attach an amp and subwoofer directly to this
   output or do I need a crossover/filter?
3. Are Sanyo cassettes any good, eg compared to Sony?


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: T/S parameters desired...
Keywords: orion xtr dvc 10
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Devner
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:07:23 GMT

hiya net.  i've perused my personal archives of this group and have not been
able to find the theil/small parametes for any orion drivers.  i'm interested
in the numbers for the xtr subs, the 10" dual voice coil in particular.  can
you help me out?  or at least point me in the right direction?  i've tried
my local orion dealer, and they are somewhat skittish, for some unknown
reason, to gimme the info. :-(

any/all help/pointers mucho appreciated!


cheers,
-- 
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"I've got a news flash for you, joy-boy...  Party Time's Over!!"
From: umburde1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Burdeny)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: 16 ohm subs?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:23:24 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


I have a phoenix gold 75 per side at 4 ohm amp with a set of components 
in the front (4 ohm) and a set of full range on the rear deck. I have the 
chance to get a pair of 12" 16 ohm subs that I can mount in a cabinet for
real cheap. Will this burn out my amp or is it even possible? None of this
is even mounted in my car as of yet but I am anxoius to get my system rolling
cuz it is replacing my stolen system. Any one done this or know how to do it.
I expect to be purchacing alot of connectors and wiring so let me know
? any advise would be much appreciated. thanks from the great white north.
Mike.
From: cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Car Audio and Electronics Magazine
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Jul26.035317.12008
Distribution: rec.audio.car
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <3225@master.CNA.TEK.COM> frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Bordon  436) writes:
>
>I am looking for the April '91 issue of Car Audio and Electronics magazine.
>Particularly I'm looking for information on the G+S Designs "Competition 200"
>amplifier. If someone nows the specs on this amp or has the above mentioned
>magazine could they please send me the specs via e-mail.
>I am looking for specs such as:
>     Power output into 4 ohms? 2 ohms? (Is it stable into lower impedence)
>     Damping Factor?
>     Overall Quality.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>frankb
>no.exciting.sig.here

	I'm looking at the July/August '92 issue of Car Stereo Review it
has the '92 Buyer's Guide.

	It says for the G&S Competition Series C2000 Amp:
	"2 channels; bridgeable. 100Wx2 into 4 ohms or 200x2 into 2 ohms
	from 10-40,000 Hz with 0.02% THD. Variable input sens (100 mV-
	1.5V); 18-dB quasiparametric bass boost. S/N 100dBA; damping
	factor 500. 12x2-5/8 x 9 in.			$500"


		
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From: etjue@lbl.gov (Eric T. Jue)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Advice to Beginners
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:05:57 GMT
     <1992Jul30.023926.22514@wam.umd.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: LBL
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.64.95
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Jul30.023926.22514@wam.umd.edu> , fitchitt@wam.umd.edu
writes:
>then go with the 1" and 5" drivers in the box for the back, any
suggestions
>for driver/crossover brands? Its sounding kinda expensive though, I dunno
>If I want to shell out more than another $100-$200 for decent stuff.

I suggest you look at Stillwater Designs(Kicker) components.  They have
great sound, especially for the price.  As for the passive crossovers,
you should definitely have a crossover network.  You can assemble this
yourself with capacitors and inductors bought from a local electronics
store.  This will save you a lot of $$.  Good luck.
From: rslau@usc.edu (Robert Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Car Audio Horror Stories
Date: 28 Jul 1992 13:38:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tarazed.usc.edu
In-reply-to: desmondw@merrimack.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 10:30:07 GMT

Okay, a small one from a *long* time ago when I was twice as dumb as I
am now ;^)  

After seeing Marilyn Monroe's Buick, I decided that I too had to have
a turntable in my car...  But, gosh darnit, it would always skip!  I
tried setting it on tons of foam, suspending it by springs from the
roof, bolting it to a concrete block in the trunk, all to no avail.

Finally, I got an 8-track.  Elvis never sounded better.

;^)

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From: ST21510@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Pionner deck for sale
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:02:58 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

I picked this deck up in Japan and it is made by a division of Pioneer
(Carrozzeria).  The model is KEX-M99V and I have yet to see it available
in the states.  I'm asking $900 for it.  It is GPS (global positioning
system) ready.  Built in equalizer.  CD controller.  Remote control.
Spectrum analyzer.  External amp.  Fold down front.  It has the cleanest
sound I have ever heard from a system.  1 year old.
It is comparable to the Premier line from Pioneer but is much more
expandable. It is directly compatible with all the Pioneer stuff already
available in the states (tuner module, amps, CD packs), but also for
car TVs, CD roms, trip information, map displays, and location info.
 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jch@teak.Cray.COM (J.C. Hamlin)
Subject: Re: Audio Control 2XS Question
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:41:23 CDT

In article <24JUL199209171259@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, scrxlt@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (DAVID OLSZEWSKI) writes:
> 	Does anyone know if the Audio Control 2XS has front and rear 
> outputs or just one set of high end outputs and one set of low end
> outputs.  I'd greatly appreciate some INPUT :)

The 2XS has one set of inputs (main), one high pass output, and one low 
pass output.  The standard chip is 90Hz (which controls both the high 
and low pass outputs) but can be changed to any value by installing the 
apropriate chip -- you can build your own custom chips if the frequency you 
wan't isn't available from AudioControl.  All AudioControl products use this 
same method for crossover point adjustment.

J.C. Hamlin
jch@Cray.COM
From: Fred Johnson <fjohnson@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Advice to Beginners
Date: 27 Jul 1992 23:20:21 GMT
Organization: LBL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.64.95
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I have been involved with car stereos for about 5 years now and I would
like to offer some advice to those who are just starting out:

1) Learn as much as you can about car stereo, either through magazines or
experienced car audiophiles.

2) Try to purchase as much equipment through a reputable mail order
house.  (American Audio is an authorized dealer of many manufacturers and
has great service, quality, and prices.)  This is a great way to save
money.

3) Try to build and install everything by yourself.  Not only will you
learn a great deal from hands-on experience, but you will also save a lot
of money.

Good Luck.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU
Subject: Sale: Kenwood Pullout
Reply-To: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:42:20 GMT

I have a Kenwood KRC 410 Pullout Cassette/Reciever I am looking to sell.
There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with it, I am simply wanting
a CD player and I need the money. I am asking $175 for it (300$ new)
but i will take the best (reasonable) offer. So, make me an offer. It
is not to old....like 10-12 months i dunno. I am the origional owner.
It has lots of features including music search and all that. If your
intersested, please me me and we can work it out.

Ohh yeah, I have the box and everyting...
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ADS Plate Speaker Installation II
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:35:37 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

Is there any other way of installing these speakers.  I have seen intallations
were the drivers were attached to the back of the rear seats, what good
does that do?  Any other ideas on how to do this?
| Rafael Vidaillet--MS: H71|   Internet:  rvn@dewey.icd.teradyne.com   |
----------

Go Stealth!  install them in the rear deck and then make a 2nd deck with
acousticly reansparent material to cover them.  Otherwise, get a cheap set
of speakers and use the grills from them.  Make sure the "Radio Shack"
or other low value name is clearly visible.

Kirk out
From: gm35@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Reccomendations for a crossover wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:07:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I am looking for a crossover for my highs in my car. My current setup is this:

1987 Ford Taurus
2 3 1/2" JBL speakers in front
2 6x9" Alpine speakers in back
2 Kicker 12" subs in sealed box in trunk
1 Sherwood 300w 4 channel amp
Pionner removable faceplate head unit
Kenwood EQ / sub-crossover (30-150Hz, I think)

My problem is the 3 1/2"'s are getting a little too much power, so occaisonally they pop a little. The main problem seems to be the bass, so I'm thinking about putting a crossover on the JBLs, so they would only get about 300Hz and up, and the Alpine 6x9"s would get whatever the Kenwood crossover is set at and up.  I'm not very familiar with crossovers, so I would like some reccommendations on a good model. I do not need high-end equipment, for the simple reason I can't afford it. I've been told Coustic ma


kes a decent crossover (I think XM-1).  Any other reccommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Another thing I would like to do (possibly) is reduce the current to the JBL 3 1/2"s without changing the gain on the amp. I think the way it is set up is the JBLs are on channel 1 and the Alpines are on channel 2. However, there is only a gain control for channel 1&2 together, and channel 3&4 together. I like the 6x9"s the way they are, but the 3 1/2"s might be better with a little less volume. Is there any way I can do this?`Perhaps a resistor or something? I'm not that good of an electrician so I'm not 


sure what is needed.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks!


Greg

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From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Looking for an article in CA+E
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:27:24 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

     Hi car audio enthusiasts, I'm looking for someone who bought the
Car Audio + Electronics September 1991 magazine. In one of the articles
they feature the exact model of my car in there and show what can be
done(and cheaply). I missed this issue and am looking for someone
to buy it off of or someone nice enough to photocopy the 3 pages and
send them to me. Any help would ne appreciated.