HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Walk away, run away, was Re: Pre-Sex Contract 
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:27:45 GMT

In article 29843@erg.sri.com, rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) writes:
>There is a larger issue that Oleg touches on here. To wit, there is
>the child that needs to be fed. One question that needs addressing is:
>what if this isn't an issue? What if, heaven forbid, the custodial
>parent has the resources necessary to feed, shelter, and clothe the
>child but would *prefer* to have the non-custodial parent pay for
>these things? Does that change whether or not such a pre-sex contract
>is a reasonable or valid thing? I.e. is it *really* the needs of the
>child that drives this objection? Given past net history, I would
>expect different posters to have different answers to this, but it
>might be interesting to see my suspicions confirmed.

One point of law and ethics:  when there are several people with an obligation
(in this case, the support and care of a child), the fact that one of them may
be able to meet all of this obligation does _not_ eliminate the obligation
of the other party or parties.  

In other words, it is not relevant whether the custodial parent needs or wants
the non-custodial parent to pay support.  The non-custodial parent has an 
obligation.  It is only in the enforcement of this obligation where it appears
that the non-custodial parent is expressing any preference.  In the state of 
California, the DA will file charges for non-support against a non-custodial
parent, even if the custodial parent prefers that the non-custodial parent 
does not pay support.  

Any contract which purports to eliminate obligations to a third party 
will be invalid and unenforceable.  Any contract which appears to be a contract
for sex will be illegal and unenforceable.  Probably the Pre-Sex contract would
be viewed as both.

>
>I'm curious, though, whether this is really the issue or not. Let's
>try a little thought experiment:
>
>Suppose the contract had been worded: in the event that a child is
>born as a result of aforementioned sexual contact the father shall
>receive primary physical custody of the child. Said custody shall
>persist until the age of majority of the child unless the father is
>criminally convicted of child abuse with respect to said child.
>
>If it changes your opinion any, insert one of the following phrases:
>
>a) the full cost of the child's upbringing will be born by the father.
>or
>b) the mother shall be obligated to pay child support following the
>state's child support guidelines.

Change my opinion?  No.  The first phrase attempts to release one party
to the contract from an obligation to someone (the child) not part of the
contract, and is unenforceable.  The second merely restates law.


---
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Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft

bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>suffering from testosterone poisoning, and that you're in your
>late teens or early 20's.  Is that right?

Don't judge the age by the behaviour.  Arrested social development is a
occupational hazard in our industry.
-- 
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Summary: I really need something interesting to do
Organization: I own stock in Genesis
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:50:12 GMT

In article <16122@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) teases:
>Laura sez:
>|
>|Tsk tsk tsk, John.  Thats a *soc*.singles in-joke, and such an
>|old one, too.
>
>It may be but it certainly was a suprise to me that it got you to respond.
>I didn't even have to use the word "cute" in my followup.  

	Do I smell a set-up here?  


Anything to change the subject
from the local version of arc, starring
Ed Carp,

Desiree




Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Summary: I's late for an important date... Toodles
Organization: Land of the Lost
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:14:18 GMT

Ed Carp sez:
>I said:

>>	Nope.  Just too old and too tired to watch a local version of
>>alt.romance.chat rear its ugly head in ba.singles.  If you wanna bbsy-type
>>chatting, hang out in arc or on a bbs.  (And please, lose the mutant
>>smileys.)

>And apparantly too old to have a sense of humor, too.

	For humor, I will gladly let out a belly-laugh (pitiful as that
may be).  For nonsensical idiotic ramblings of the *kissy* *hug* *hug* 
genre, nope.  Sorry.  Zee LizardChild has more wit than I've seen
you fling around.
	
>>	Tell you what Ed, next time you see me, if you try to kiss me,
>>make sure you're wearing a cup.  See, I don't need to go around kissing
>>anything that moves in order to get my thrills...

>Oh, I wouldn't *dream* of trying to kiss you, Des.

	<I will not say it...I will not say it...> 

> And if you think you can
>threaten or intimidate me by telling me to wear a cup, think again. 

	Testy testy.  

> If you,
>by some miracle, connect with any part of my body in a manner that would
>threaten bodily injury, rest assured that I would (not intentionally) break
>something very vital - perhaps your arm.

	Okay Fishy.  Just keep yer little lips to yerself and it's a moot
point, ain't it?  

>  Then, after defending myself
>against your vicious physical assault, I would be more than happy to put the
>cuffs on you myself and haul you down to the local jail.  I would magistrate
>you myself ... with pleasure.

	Get real.  Don't play word games with me.

>Now, see what you've done?  You've turned something that started out fun and
>innocent into something vicious.  Tsk, tsk.  Like I said earlier, you have *no*
>sense of humor.

	Nope, I don't see it.  Sorry buster.  I didn't force you to reply
in that manner.  I didn't force you to hit the "f" key.  I didn't force you
to follow-up to my closing phraseology in the first place.  

	As I said, I am tired of the little arcean ways propagating to
ba.singles. If you don't like it, I don't care.  Just keep your too-cute-to-
live shit in arc and everybody will be happy.

Desiree

Newsgroups: ba.singles,soc.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: If he bothers you, put him in your KILL file, please.
Followup-To: alt.peeves,alt.rap,talk.bizarre
Summary: Niark Niark
Organization: Cheese Sandwiches
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:43:20 GMT

In article <76062@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) carps (heee)
about my followup to goid@zooid.guild.org with:

>I said:
>>	Thanks for the Introduction to Usenet.  Much appreciated.  But
>>you see I have this thing about kill files -- I don't believe in them.
>
>Then quit your bitching.

	Eddie, dear, learn to understand what bitching really is.  What
I said above (and which you choose to quote back) is not bitching.  It
is stating my preference to what he choose to offer as an alternative.

>  You *do* have a choice - either ignore it or put
>up with it.

	I actually have more than just the two obvious ones you put forth.
Can you guess which one I choose to invoke?  

>  The whole of usenet isn't going to revolve around Desiree's
>desires, much as you would like it to.  Sorry to be the one to tell you.

	Ohhhh waaaaa.  You've ruined my day.  Do you really mean to
say that the entire world really doesn't revolve around me and my
wishes and desires?  Pleasssssee, say it isn't so...

	Get real Koikid.


Desiree
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:07:16 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec24.071851.13647@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>Under the subject: Re: Directions to Fogg's (Was Re: Beer . . . hic!)
>
|bobk@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
|>New to the net, but I'll be there unless there's an interesting C-Span
|                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>conference on media coverage of the Kenyan economy or something of 
|>equal or lesser worth.
|>
|>
|
|I can't seem to recall anyone ever using that particular combination of
|characters before.  I thought it noteworthy.  

You'll see about as often as "entertaining MTV".

|How many Bobs are there on ba.singles, anyway?  

not nearly as many as there are Laura's.

|How many have Irish family names?

two and counting...

|Does *anyone* care?

no.

|Sorry this doesent have much to do with singles activities in the
|bay area, but I'm getting bored with the PSC and it's spawn.
 
Here's something completely different.  In the SJ Merc' last Sunday there
was an article that claim that the south bay was one of the best places for
meeting singles.  Hot spots included Los Gatos, Mountain View, Palo Alto
and for some reason a neighborhood near Saratoga Ave. and 280.  It also 
mentioned several specific places like the Tied House,  PJ Mulligans, Los
Gatos Roasting CO. and a specific street corner in Mountain View.  It said
that "everyone goes to PJ's on Wednesdays".  Sounds to me like an invitation
for ba.singles for HumpdayBoink at PJ's.

John "Bob" Fereira, who has a bit of Irish in 'im


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
From: HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:39:03 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

>Desiree

I am not interested in a flame war with you.  I was merely stating my opinion.



If three people say your an ass, put on a bridle.

the seahag
Xref: sparky ba.singles:2788 soc.singles:34647 alt.sex:40144
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Newsgroups: ba.singles,soc.singles,alt.sex
Subject: Re: misplaced thread?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:35:00 GMT
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA

In article <1992Dec21.063055.5117@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>] 
>] Apologies to anyone I *did* infect - I was there
>] for a while Friday night - but I'll admit that 
>] most of it was a blur.  
>
>Was this a part of the tygerboink thread or the
>pre_sex_contract thread?
>
>ciao
>drieux
>ps: yes, feel safe to pause and think.....

WAIT, WAIT!!!

Infect with what?

-steve
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:52:15 GMT
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1993Jan01.030106.2525@Veritas.COM> oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>akao@.com (Adam Kao) writes:
>>strong-willed person.  I should respect her, I should respect her a lot.
>>But I don't.  And I honestly think that's unfortunate.  No sarcasm.
>
>Thank you for sharing.  Now, please, get a brain.

Oh, my GOD!!!  Is it *really* Oleg "smouldering dark eyes" Kiselev??  My, my,
my ... as I live and breathe...  I thought you had died or been fired or
something, after that last little rucus at Locus.  Good to see you're still
among the living - and (I presume) still active in alt.flame.

I wondered who Des had been taking lessons from... :)

Oh ... Taylor Mohrle says hi!  You can email him at taylor@vnet.ibm.com, if
you're so inclined...
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:53:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Directions to Fogg's (Was Re: Beer . . . hic!)
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: ba.singles

In ba.singles, erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:

    I will be in town this weekend, too - I have an interview with Sun Monday
    morning, so I'll be in all weekend with nothing to do... :) :)

    For those of you who missed your kiss at the TygerBoink party, this is
    your chance! :)

    FREE kisses to the first 100 women... :)

And I didn't read it until Tuesday !!!  Does that mean I'll have to pay for
mine?
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne)
Subject: Re: Oxymorons, and other important trivia
Summary: Help!  The clueless are on the loose
Organization: Down with Kids
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:59:48 GMT

In article <75987@apple.apple.COM> erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp) writes:
>I said:
>>Anything to change the subject
>>from the local version of arc, starring
>>Ed Carp,
>
>Now, now, Des.

	No, no Ed.

>  Are you jealous? :)

	Nope.  Just too old and too tired to watch a local version of
alt.romance.chat rear its ugly head in ba.singles.  If you wanna bbsy-type
chatting, hang out in arc or on a bbs.  (And please, lose the mutant
smileys.)

>  Must be because I didn't kiss you at the
>Boink.  Well, rest assured, I'll get around to you at the next one, OK?  I'll
>do my best to knock your socks off, too... :) :)

	Tell you what Ed, next time you see me, if you try to kiss me,
make sure you're wearing a cup.  See, I don't need to go around kissing
anything that moves in order to get my thrills...

Bisou,

Desiree
From: scotth@oniboshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Steel Tipped Tampons
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:17:04 GMT
	<1992Dec28.221358.2101@netcom.com> <16100@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA


>>>>> In article <16100@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

johnf> I agree. Even dyslexics can spell Bob.

obb?
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From: arnold@violet.berkeley.edu (John Arnold)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: 2 Tickets 49ers/Detroit TODAY!
Followup-To: ba.sports
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:05:42 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
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I'm sick with the flu, it's raining, and I'm wimping out of the game today.
 Does anyone want to buy my 2 tickets to the game?  They're in the Lower
East sec 29 row 33, ie. very nice seats.  Please call me at 510 643 5181 or
510 525 4958.
From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: Wanted: Niner Playoff Tickets
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:13:54 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <ljh8b8INN4v2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, lovas@thelma.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike
Lovas) writes:
>
>Looking to get two tickets to the 49rs playoff game the weekend of 1/9.
>Contact me at 415-390-0940, leave message if not home.
>
>Go niners!
>Mike

The niners are going to the playoffs?  what a shame...
From: colleen@apple.com (Colleen Delgadillo)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: RE> Need Tix: 49er game (12/28)
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:08:40 GMT
Followup-To: ba.sports
Organization: Apple Computer



Hello again,

You can ignore that last posting....I just bought two tix for tonights
game.

Thanks again!

Colleen Delgadillo | colleen@apple.com