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From: rsvanc00@mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Subject: BoB and Connie sighted on REN & STIMPY!!!!!
Summary: Malbert pee red! :)
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:22:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Yes, Friends! It may or may have not occured to anyone before,
but The Ren and Stimpy Show has had not one, BUT TWO guest
appearances by the First SubGenius Family of Jehovah-1,
J. R. "BoB" Dobbs and his wife, Connie! They appear first in
the 1st season episode, "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" as the
married couple with the pipe-smoking, lazy slob husband and his
wife of the Holy-Church-Of-Donna-Reed Clench, Connie, dressed
in the height of 50's television mom fashion.

The second appearance of BoB and Connie is in the R&S 2nd season
episode, "Rubber Nipple Salesmen". This one focuses more on the
slackly nature of BoB and Connie. Again, BoB wears only his underwear
and socks with garters and slippers. Connie, again is in her holy
robes of the worship of Donna Reed! It also is meant to be the first
taste of SubGenius propoganda that John Krisfalusi will give to
the viewers of Nickelodeon!

I will post further updates of any more Dobbs Sightings on
Ren & Stimpy! And remember, KEEP ON SLACKING!!!! ;)

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From: hugues@isoftfr.isoft.fr (Hugues Marty)
Newsgroups: alt.gorets
Subject: Three little Gorets
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:56:35 GMT


Three little gorets
Were using the phone
Goff went to see them,
  and Goff the phone!!

Three little Gorets
Wanted to defrost a fridge
Goff went to help them
  and Goff the fridge!!

Three little Gorets
Went to a wedding
But Goff was there
  and Goff the bride!!
From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:56:04 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep3.051101.15148@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
 Paul.Fortman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Paul Fortman) writes:
> In article <j8knnmd.bskendig@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>>alerman@terapin.com (Alexander Lerman) wrote (in article <alerman.1c24@terapin.com>):
>>>Unless of course, you happen to be homophobic, in which case you might
>>>want to seek psychological counseling.
>>
>>Hey, that insinuation isn't very nice.
>>
>>Backrubs, by definition, involve sensations of pleasure generated by a
>>lot of physical contact.  To me, they therefore also have a sexual
>>meaning.  I'd just as soon ask for a backrub from another man as I'd
> 
> Why does a backrub have to have some sort of sexual meaning.  A real
> backrub is supposed to be theraputic, not sexual or even sensual.

Actually, professional massages are very sensual, but not sexual.  Sensual
means that it deals with the senses, and the sense of touch is felt to
what is probably it's greatest height during a massage.  Unfortunately,
some associate sensual with sexual.  Although sex is sensual, all things
sensual are not sexual.  A good massage gives one a peaceful or invigorating
feeling.  There is no such thing as a "non-sensual massage" (unless you've
found a way to give a massage without touching the recipient).

> Perhaps our society has conditioned most people to automatically
> associate physical contact, backrubs, nudity, etc. with sex.  It's
> too bad that so many people think this way.

As a part-time massage therapist, I can say that this is one of the harder
obsticles to overcome before a first massage.  I massage both men and
women, and I'm not sure which of them are more nervous before their first
massage by a man.  Once a person has actually received a massage from me
(or most other professionals), this generally becomes a non-issue for
professional massages.  It's harder to overcome as an amateur, because
of trust: people know what you expect to get out of it (money) as a pro,
but are suspicious of something for free.  Generally, the trust needs to
be there first.
--
Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
From: sysmgt007@spacm1.spac.spc.com (Dean Nedelman)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:32:26 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <alerman.1az8@terapin.com>, alerman@terapin.com (Alexander Lerman) writes:
> In article <1992Aug30.002330.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>, roger@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Roger
> 'Not the Rabbit' Cook) writes:
>>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most polite
> way
>>to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>roger
> 
> I'd also like to hear people's advice on this. I suppose it's the fear that
> the massage will be sexualized that makes people wary. I feel it's best to
> resolve the issue in one's own mind before asking someone.... only because
> we _do_ live in a Christian state (family values, remember?) and that means
> that there are people out there that villify sexuality (fornication,
> remember?).
> 

I suppose it depends on whether you are the massuese/massuer or the massage
customer/victim.  For myself, I usually like to lay the ground work early and
let people know:

	o  I have been practicing/giving massages for 10 years.

	o  I have my own portable massage table.

	o  I take my massage `hobby' very seriously.

I also give neck rubs whenever I see someone in obvious pain.  That way, if
someone NEEDS a massage, they know to look for me.

With regards to the sexual connotations:

	o  I tend NOT to massage people I date.  That way, people I massage
	   know that there is nothing more to it than the massage.

	o  I keep everything VERY perfessional (Proper attire, music, etc.)
	   so that there is NO misunderstanding that this is a massage and 
	   NOTHING else.

If the massage victim is not completely comfortable about all of this, they
will not enjoy the massage (to nervous).

If you want to continue this line of discussion, I can give you further 
information via Email.
-- 
Dean (The Shadow)
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From: orr@engr.latech.edu (John Orr)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Backrubs don't have to be sexual.
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:22:04 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University


    I've been following the current discussion for a while and thought that 
I'd put in my two cents worth.


    Backrubs don't have to have a sexual context.  A backrub is by 
definition a sensual experience.  But sensuality doesn't have to be 
semantically equal to sexuality.  It takes a fair amount of maturity to be 
able to separate the two, but it can be done.  I am most definitely a male 
and quite heterosexual.  Yet I can enjoy another male hetero giving me a 
backrub to relieve tension or headache or whatever.  I am also engaged to 
a wonderfully hetero woman (the way it's supposed to be!!) who very much 
enjoys a backrub and although it is a sensual experience, it doesn't lead 
to sex.  Sometimes we might get into a kissing session, but sex is not an 
option for us until after we are married.  

    There are three people in my town (25,000) who are extremely good at 
massage:  one is my roommate, one is a (married) friend, and I am the 
other one.  All of us are hetero male and all of us get requests from many 
people, male and female, single and married and it doesn't bother us or 
the people we massage because we are all comfortable with who we are as 
males, and we are all Christians and they know that we are trustworthy.

   On the other hand, a backrub had better be a sensual experience or else 
it is wasted effort.  But unless I am massaging my wife, it will never be 
a sexual experience.

  
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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:43:41 GMT

>>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most
>>polite way to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.
>
>I like "Hey, would you give me a backrub?" myself.  Many people are
>more than happy to.

Unless of course, you go to an all-male school like I do, in which
case you might want to live with the stress... :)  (But we're going
coed in 1995, by which time I'll be long gone... :( )

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Peon System Administrator
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"I've seen it work before..." -- Stephen Smalley
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: Paul.Fortman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Paul Fortman)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:11:01 GMT

In article <j8knnmd.bskendig@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>alerman@terapin.com (Alexander Lerman) wrote (in article <alerman.1c24@terapin.com>):
>>Unless of course, you happen to be homophobic, in which case you might
>>want to seek psychological counseling.
>
>Hey, that insinuation isn't very nice.
>
>Backrubs, by definition, involve sensations of pleasure generated by a
>lot of physical contact.  To me, they therefore also have a sexual
>meaning.  I'd just as soon ask for a backrub from another man as I'd

Why does a backrub have to have some sort of sexual meaning.  A real
backrub is supposed to be theraputic, not sexual or even sensual.
Perhaps our society has conditioned most people to automatically
associate physical contact, backrubs, nudity, etc. with sex.  It's
too bad that so many people think this way.  Fortunatly, I was not
taught any of this garbage.

>ask for a backrub from, say, a woman I know only from working with in
>the office -- in other words, probably never.  I will only ask for
>backrubs from people towards whom I have even just a little physical
>attraction, and since my brain's chemistry has made me het, I'll
>probably never be physically attracted towards a man, and thus I'll
>never accept a backrub from a man.

Since I do not associate sex with physical contact, I would be more
than willing to accept a backrub or full body massage from another 
man.  I have given backrubs to other men and I have received backrubs 
from other men.  Nothing "steemy" happened.  Backrubs are theraputic
in nature.  Anything more than therapy is optional and, from my 
experience, is understood before any backrubbing begins. 

>If I don't accept contact which I consider to be sexual from a person
>towards whom I'm not sexually attracted, does this make me homophobic?

Only you can answer this question.

*Pooh Bare
--
Paul Fortman
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu


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From: eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Backrubs don't have to be sexual.
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:25:45 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

>Sometimes we might get into a kissing session, but sex is not an 
>option for us until after we are married.  

Wow!  That makes _three_ people I know that think that!  I thought I
was the only one...  :-)

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Psychopathic Peon System Administrator
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"I've seen it work before..." -- Stephen Smalley
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
	<EIGENSTR.92Sep2094341@susan.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
	<1992Sep2.181429.12193@unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:07:57 GMT

>In article <EIGENSTR.92Sep2094341@susan.cs.rose-hulman.edu> eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink) writes:
>>>>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most
>>>>polite way to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.
>>>
>>>I like "Hey, would you give me a backrub?" myself.  Many people are
>>>more than happy to.
>>
>>Unless of course, you go to an all-male school like I do, in which
>>case you might want to live with the stress... :)  (But we're going
>>coed in 1995, by which time I'll be long gone... :( )
>
>Why does that matter?  We're (supposed to be) talking about *non-sexual*
>massage here.


Well, I'm agreeing with you, that it shouldn't matter in that case.
BUT...trust me...I go to this school, and you don't.  Unless you've
got a terribly understanding roommate or something, that's not the
recommended way to go about it.  (The preferred way is to find a
friend at the all-girls school on the other side of town, and ... :)

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Psychopathic Peon System Administrator
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"I've seen it work before..." -- Stephen Smalley

Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:14:29 GMT

In article <EIGENSTR.92Sep2094341@susan.cs.rose-hulman.edu> eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink) writes:
>>>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most
>>>polite way to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.
>>
>>I like "Hey, would you give me a backrub?" myself.  Many people are
>>more than happy to.
>
>Unless of course, you go to an all-male school like I do, in which
>case you might want to live with the stress... :)  (But we're going
>coed in 1995, by which time I'll be long gone... :( )

Why does that matter?  We're (supposed to be) talking about *non-sexual*
massage here.

Bill.

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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: eigenstr@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:03:29 GMT

>Unless of course, you happen to be homophobic, in which case you might
>want to seek psychological counseling.

Point made.  I'll shut up now.  :)

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Psychopathic Peon System Administrator
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"I've seen it work before..." -- Stephen Smalley
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (amealuh)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: StressBusters (NOT StressBustiers)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:11:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.002330.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> roger@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Roger 'Not the Rabbit' Cook) writes:
>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most polite way
>to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.
>

	1) party A finds a party B that is willing to dispense a backrub.
	2) after appropriate conversation, party A Pops The Question.

the problem that usually results is that party A never makes it past step 1,
but that's okay. you could take the direct approach and just throw someone to
the ground and demand comfort.

george bush: Not a backrub. Wouldn't be prudent.
dan quayle: B-A-C-K-R-U-B...E?
bill clinton: Well, I'll admit she touched my back, but she didn't RUB it.
h ross perot: Don't worry. I have 3 billion in the bank.



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Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (donald)
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:09:53 GMT

Gee, I seem to have the opposite problem.  I'm willing to give
backrubs (relaxation/deep tissue/shiatsu) but find most people less
than comfortable on the receiving end.  In europe people are more open
to the idea, but here I've had to learn to disciminate much more
carefully between potentially receptive and otherwise.

I think that the prevasive isolationist/protectionist mentality of
folks in this all to puritanical society is way out of line with any
sense of healthy ``family values''.  I suppose such is the local
tradition.

I should note that rather than espousing any hint of sexual intentions
when offering or giving backrubs I view it as a rather meditative
experience in which I can practice and learn a physical art.  On some
occations I've even been put in the position of down playing sexual
advances profered by a partner.

Don't get me wrong.  Physical contact via massage or otherwise has a
wonderful role in seduction, but it seems that most people are so
isolated from physical contact with others that any broaching of that
barrier has the potential to release all sorts of pent up feelings
(not just the stress that the barrier places on them.)

take it easy,
donald

P.S.  Good luck to all in finding appropriate partners
From: mancer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Jantz Raynor)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:07:35 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Aug30.002330.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>, roger@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Roger
'Not the Rabbit' Cook) writes:
>I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most polite
way
>to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.

I like "Hey, would you give me a backrub?" myself.  Many people are more than
happy to.

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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:25:22 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

In article <j8knnmd.bskendig@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
>Path: utkux1.utk.edu!utkcs2!darwin.sura.net!wupost!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!bskendig
>From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
>Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
>Message-ID: <j8knnmd.bskendig@netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:23:42 GMT
>Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
>References: <EIGENSTR.92Sep2094341@susan.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <alerman.1c24@terapin.com>
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>alerman@terapin.com (Alexander Lerman) wrote (in article <alerman.1c24@terapin.com>):
>>Unless of course, you happen to be homophobic, in which case you might
>>want to seek psychological counseling.
>
>Hey, that insinuation isn't very nice.
>
>Backrubs, by definition, involve sensations of pleasure generated by a
>lot of physical contact.  To me, they therefore also have a sexual
>meaning.  I'd just as soon ask for a backrub from another man as I'd
>ask for a backrub from, say, a woman I know only from working with in
>the office -- in other words, probably never.  I will only ask for
>backrubs from people towards whom I have even just a little physical
>attraction, and since my brain's chemistry has made me het, I'll
>probably never be physically attracted towards a man, and thus I'll
>never accept a backrub from a man.
>
>If I don't accept contact which I consider to be sexual from a person
>towards whom I'm not sexually attracted, does this make me homophobic?
>
To some people, yes.  Annoying, isn't it?
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to ask a friend.
From: kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Kristen McQuillin)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:06:27 GMT
Organization: Telerama

roger@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (Roger 'Not the Rabbit' Cook) writes: 

: I am at college, and sometimes I get stressed out.  What is the most
: polite way to ask for a backrub? I could use one quite a bit.

I often find that if I am willing to give a backrub, I'll get one in
return. Look for people who are acting stressed and offer a massage. I
think this technique would work especially well in the computer labs!

If you end up not able to find a friendly person to rub your back,
check your area for professional massage therapists. (They tend to do
a better job than the average joe, anyway!)