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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS:  The Doctor and Causality
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.110606.15889@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>In <185d3pINNrp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu writes:
>
>> 
>, and, most importantly, has interfered with
>> the very fabric of existence (In Logopolis, when the 'weave' of
>> the Cosmos quite literally 'unraveled', everything that was in
>> the area of effect became as though it never was! [With Nyssa
>> surviving the annihilation of her reality only because she was
>> 'outside' Existence, and was therefore immune to its effects]).
>> 
>
>While this doesn't actually answer your query, I'd like to make a couple
>of points about the above paragraph.  Hopefully people will not think
>I'm being overly pedantic, but it does irritate me when I beleive people
>have got it wrong, though I stress the word believe.  As far as I know,
>when the area around Traken was destroyed, it "wasn't as though it never
>was."  That implies into never existed in time and space at all, which 
>would mean Nyssa never existed at all.  As far as I know, entropy destroyed
>that area of space, leaving a void.  Secondly, Nyssa is part of our 
>reality, not another one, a la portions of Day of the Daleks. I'm not trying
>to attack your ideas, just offering a different opinion.  Accept my
>apologies if i've misunderstood your comment, and my resulting comments.
>Cheers.

Thse last comments are correct.  The entropy field in "Logopolis" was
not an inter-temporal disaster, only a spatial one, otherwise it is
useless for Adric to say things like "Earth's galaxy has a few hours
left" or for the build-up in the first place.  The whole idea is that
the Universe had gotten so old that the entropy had already built up to
the point of heat death for the entire Universe, but thanks to the 
Logopolitans, the CVEs acted like drains and bled off the excess entropy
from our Universe into other universes.  Although I'm not sure those
other universes would be very happy about us dumping our excess heat
into them.
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:44:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) says:

>	Funny you should mention Romana - I always thought it was funny the way
>the Dr. was always right until the first Romana came - then he was always wrong
>allowing her an air of superiority which the Dr refused to accept.  
>
He wasn't always wrong, in Ribos he knew that the 'jethrake' (sp?) was the
'key' not the crown as Romana thought, also the Doctor was 'right' about
things Romana was naive about.


>		Mystic
>
>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>

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From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Peri
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:57:28 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho

In article <DSTEINBE.92Sep12090241@emmy.nmsu.edu>, dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
> 
> For all of those Peri haters (which includes myself), think about
> this.  You agree to travel across time and space with Peter Davidson,
> who- after you've known him for about a week (?) suddenly becomes
> Colin Baker.  I don't know how I'd deal with that change either.
> -ZZYZX
> P.S. However, there is NO excuse for Mel!

"CARROT JUICE!?!?"
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: Hello and some Questions..
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:43:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

danaf@rpi.edu writes:

>.... EVERY Dalek story (barring the first one and,
>if I remember correctly, ONE other), has been named "________ of the Daleks".

"The Daleks," "The Dalek Invasion of Earth," "The Dalek Masterplan,"
and "The Chase" are, if I remember correctly, all the Dalek stories
which don't fit the pattern.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:17:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Quantum physics states that thought affects the universe?!!!

By any chance are you refering to the hypothesis put forth by
Heisenberg saying that by observing an event, one affects the
observed?  Hmm.  I suppose that if you extrapolate upon that you
could say that as observer affects observed, as the perception
affects the perceived, then recognition can retroactively affect
the deed?

While this may seem fine in theory, it makes sheer mess of 
causality, and besides, Heisenberg was refering to the absorption
of energy emitted by the object, and possibly the observer's 
'very' weak gravitational field affecting the observed.

Note though, that with the experiments done with dual light 
beams that were formerly one beam, there seems to be some 'very'
strange correlation between the two that exceeds any possibility
of said interaction occuring at less that 'C', which leaves us
(and them especially) with a nasty snarl in our physics, one 
which will hopefully be worked out in a manner that preserves
causality.

On the other hand, we're talking about _Doctor_Who_ which tosses
causality to the winds, so what am I complaining about?

Maybe one day we'll know the answer to all of these things . . .
but, then again, maybe we won't.

Scott D. Hurley

-- 
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 change the past--we change with it!" - - Coventry in 'Millenium'
"In any universe where time travel is possible . . . eventually
 there will arise a history without time travel." --Larry Niven
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: THE TARDIS
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:58:09 GMT

in article <2596.130.uupcb@ssr.com>, doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) says:

>  What happened to the "Alternate" console
> room (the old wooden one), which ALSO had an exit from the TARDIS? The
> Doctod?n6>r;r could easily have left the TARDIS via THAT exit!

Remember that when they found the old console room in "The Hand of Fear"
(I think) that he had forgotten about it.  He probably forgot once again
that it was there, or he couldn't find it. (We've seen other stories where
he gets lost wandering around)
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Trials of a Time Lord
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:09:13 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep6.004301.1878@bvc.edu> juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:
>MC Flash X here.  Just one question.  With all the passionate defense (and 
>offense) of Colin Baker, why does nobody mention "Trial of a Time Lord"?  
>Although the ending was a bit weak, I like this series on the whole.  And 
>in fact, it should have been longer.  Perhaps the Time Lords could've 
>questioned the good ol' Doc about who he was, or is?  Or scrutinized why he 
>left Gallefrey?  And why did they let the genocide thing drop so quickly?  

The "who he is" thing is something the Time Lords at large aren't aware
of, and it would be against the Valeyard/Doctor's own best interests to
bring the subject up.  
As for the genocide thing, well it was true that he had no other choice
in "Vervoids," and then there's the matter that he hadn't actually done
it yet.  The true reason for the drop of the genocide thing would be that
the prosecutor left in the middle of the trial and his identity effectively
invalidated the entire trial (not to mention the underhanded reasons for
why it was set up in the first place).  
And if they did eventually press him on the issue, he could easily turn
around and accuse the Time Lords of exactly the same thing both for their
torching of Earth and for the mission they sent him on in "Genesis of
the Daleks."


>I thought they'd really get into that.  And it may sound like I'm critici<
>ing, but that's only because I wish my favorite Colin Baker episodes were 
>better yet!  Oh, and I really did like that Cyberman one.  So much in fact, 
>that I bought the book!  I'm out!
>
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: More Theories About the Doctor's Age
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:08:21 GMT

In <1992Sep6.002829.14893@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU writes:
>If anyone has any questions of some apparant continuity knots, please
>post them and I will certainly try and solve them, and I'm sure there
>are many others with their own theories who would like to comment too.

The magic word is "theories". No matter how sound your arguments are, unless
they use facts from the show, you cannot assume they are right (I believe
you even used the word "canon" when commenting on Dave's quiz). I think there
are a lot of loose ends in Doctor Who that are not fully explained. One recent
one hashed out here on the net was The Valeyard and what happened in the
trial. I think there has been some discrepency concerning the Cybermen and
different ancestries (I didn't follow the discussion). The Doctor's age is
another. I'm sure there are a lot more than the couple you claim. I don't
pay them much attention since my explanation is usually writer's error. Great
theories aside, most of these are not explained using material from the show.

There is nothing wrong with a show having continuity errors. It has to be
around a long time to develop them. Even Star Trek, which didn't run anywhere
near as long as Doctor Who, had plenty.

Tom

P.S. I just thought of others: Romana's regeneration - why can she select
her new body yet the Doctor can't and was the White Guardian the real WG in
The Ribos Operation.
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:22:17 GMT

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (rock) writes:

>Besides all this, Colin was funny.  He was cocky and arrogant and
>overconfident, and I really liked him, especially when he screwed up and
>Perri got to tell him 'I told you so.'  Colin's Dr. reminded me far more
>(and I'm putting on my asbestos suit here for the flames sure to come from
>the holy priests of whoism) of TOM Baker than anyone else.  The Fourth
>doctor was always acting as if he knew more than he did, and it was very
>pleasing to see him squirm when Romana pinned him down and forced him to
>admit he'd screwed up, and even more pleasing when he turned out to be
>right in the end.  Perri was hardly Romana, but the character interaction
>was certainly reminiscent of Doc Four and Romana.  (Only Tom never tried to
>strangle his companions...which episode was that one in, by the way?  I
>really don't recall it.)

Colin reminded me of Tom also, but Colin did not have nearly as much charm
as Tom did for which it was easy to overlook his cockiness.  Also, Tom had
characters warm up to him easily - Sarah and he were close, Leela would have
easily given her life for him (as with practically all Tom companions), while
Peri just seems to be stuck with Colin and not much warmth coming from both.
This is why Tom is my #1, and Colin#2.  I personally think the Dr. has a
certain justification for being arrogant - he is not human, he is better 
(physically) and knows more (mentally), is much more slick, cunning and just
basic intelligence besides being telepathic, having many more biological defense
mechanisms that we do, etc...  He is also of a prestigious race, AND within that
race, he is of a prestigious chapter! 
	Soon after Colin came, he was put to trial immediately, and we never
got to see him thru different situations, and perhaps see him and his reactions
with many more companions.
	Funny you should mention Romana - I always thought it was funny the way
the Dr. was always right until the first Romana came - then he was always wrong
allowing her an air of superiority which the Dr refused to accept.  After her
regeneration though, he bagan being right about things again, and their 
relationship changed in a very nice way - Warriors of the Gate was a classic
episode in my opinion and had a very fitting ending for Romana and an
excellent finishing quote by the Dr: 
	K9 - <something like> "Will the mistress be alright?"
	Dr - "Alright? <pause> She'll be superb!"

		Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dave wanted proof of support. Here it is.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:44:05 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:

-
- From kakwa!cs.utk.edu!clay Sun Sep 13 14:32:32 1992 remote from ersys
- Received: by ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (1.65/waf)
-         via UUCP; Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:39:17 MDT
-         for wfrey
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- kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca wi
- th SMTP id <299992>; Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:32:20 -0600
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- Date:   Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:32:03 -0600
- From:   clay@cs.utk.edu
- To:     wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey)
- Subject: Re: The future?
-
- Warren -
-
- In article <k3swqB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> you write:
-
- |> Further, the University of
- |> Alberta's local computer network had a newsgroup entirely devoted to
- |> flaming you!
-
- Oh how I wish I had one of those or that there was a world-wide one.
- Think
- there would be any other takers for alt.flames.yadallee??  Why keep the
- fun
- there at University of Alberta?
-
- |>  When I last flamed you, people from across the country
- |> e-mailed me supporting comments.
-
- Count two more supporters and anti-Yadalleeists here in Tennessee, myself
- and
- my wife.  We've been in the same situation that you're in when we were in
- Spokane and can sympathize.  What is it about Dr. Who (and SF in general)
- that
- brings out the whackos?
-
- |> ...only to post on the
- |> significance of leprosy and the cosine of the letter X in regards to
- |> Romana's bastard stepchildren.
-
- Beautiful description of a typical Yadallee post.  I laughed out loud
- when I
- read that!!
-
- Stiff upper lip.  And of luck in future. :-)
-
-                                                         clay
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- University of Tennessee | torso protruding from a negligee of green
- nylon, she
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- her own
- Phone: (615) 974-3848   | thrusting her key into each astounded door.
-
  Rigth Warren, I said All, not just one.

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From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dalek Voice in `The Space Museum'
Summary: Wrong episode...
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:42:05 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <1992Sep13.031023.4552@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.223702.14666@beaver.cs.washington.edu> greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes) writes:
> >While watching the movie version of 'The Space Museum' (a Hartnell
> >episode), I noticed they gave a credit for 'Dalek Voice', even though no
> >Daleks spoke in the episode (as far as I remember).  What voice are they
> >referring to?  My guess is that in the original airing, the teaser for the
> >next story, 'The Chase', consisting of some Dalek making nasty threats,
> >showed up at the end of the final episode.
> Yes, your guess is correct.  Someone didn't tell the credit-maker though,
> and that same person also didn't give Peter Purves a credit for Steven
> Taylor, only Morton Dill, and also forgot to mention The Beatles.
> >				Greg Barnes
> >				greg@cs.washington.edu

You're thinking of the wrong episode, Greg.  Your comments about Peter
Purves, Mortin Dill, and the Beatles are concerning "The Chase", not "The
Space Museum" (incidentally, the Beatles footage was from a publicity thing
they did for BBC, not something the did for Dr. Who, so I could understand
their not being credited).

The question about the Dalek voice probably refers to the fact that, since
"The Chase" immediately followed "The Space Museum", there was a cliffhanger
at the end of the last episode of "The Space Museum" which they removed for
the movie format version.  I believe the cliffhanger had a Daleks or a Dalek
in it.

Neil Marsh
The Whoosier Network:
  YOUR Doctor Who Connection
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: tom baker years vid
Keywords: video
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:06:37 GMT

In article <25858@castle.ed.ac.uk> gu@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Ushaw) writes:
>This months's releases from BBC video are Earthshock and The Tom baker
>years. My question is , is the tom baker vid any good? worth the price
>of admission? a load of old dalek droppings?
>I had intended buying it til i saw it was a rip-off double tape and now
>i'm not at all sure that i want to shell out twenty quid on it. Has
>anyone seen it? what did you think? i've heard the choice of clips could
>be better and baker isn't exactly on top form in the links...
>i wish the beeb would stop fleecing us of our hard earned cash by
>insisting they can't get six episodes on one tape - if JFK fits on a
>single tape then planet of the spiders certainly will. TByears is about
>3 hours long so why do they stick it on two tapes and charge twenty quid
>for it?
>Any comments, recommendations, warnings appreciated..
>
>gary

I can't speak from personal opinion, but I can report to you that DWM's
Gary Russell calls this the best of the Years Tapes so far.

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From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: The future?
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.123152.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>If what quantum physics seems to be saying about how _thought_ can affect
>the universe is true, we'd best stop thinking we WILL kill ourselves off,
>or it'll come true.
>
   I don't remember ever teaching that to my students in PHY281S! Quantum
physics, at least as taught in physics textbooks, does not say that the
power of thought is sufficient by itself to modify the universe, other
than in the obvious way that the thoughts modify the actions of the
thinker.
   Quantum mechanics has had some very strange things said about it, and
this is one of the more common ones.

>Kellie         internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu


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From: riggs@seq.uncwil.edu (Edward Riggs Jr)
Subject: testing
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:24:44 GMT

just testing......


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From: istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: The Hand of Sutekh (was Re: More Theories...)
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:53:24 GMT
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In article <1992Sep7.054610.21055@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) wrote:
>>In article <1992Sep6.142152.22838@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>>>And yes, can anyone out there explain the hand behind Sutekh's throne, or
>>Don't think I've ever seen those errors, although I did see a farmhouse
>>in the distance in "The Sontaran Experiment."
> 
> The Hand of Sutekh (tm) is very difficult to miss. It sticks out like a sore
> thumb like some of Hartnell's botched lines that they don't bother to retake.
> Toward the end of Pryamids of Mars, Sutekh stands up and someone's hand holds
> the cushion down so that it doesn't fall off. I guess they did retakes when
> the cushion kept falling off, so perhaps we shouldn't complain. Does the guy
> whose hand appears get paid extra? 8-) I couldn't believe it when I saw it
> the first time. It's not really a big deal, but it's pretty pathetic looking.
> 
> Tom
> 
> P.S. The Hand of Sutekh is a trademark of Sutekh and Son Inc., whereas
> The Hand of Fear is a trademark of Eldrad and Co. LTD.


Sorry to include all the past stuff - right at the moment my editor doesn't
want to delete (help!)  Anyway, my friends and I, when we were at University,
used to love these "bloopers" - we'd all keep watch for them and have a great
time playing "spot the bloopers."  Another one (well this isn't exactly an
error) is in The Sontaran Experiment.  Tom Baker broke his collarbone during
the filming, so many of the long shots (such as the Doctor running along the
cliff ledge) are really of his stunt double.  We'd have great arguments over
various scenes - who is playing the Doctor in that shot?!

Ellen - the Crime Doctor
From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Hand of Sutekh (was Re: More Theories...)
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:57:34 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <1992Sep7.054610.21055@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> The Hand of Sutekh (tm) is very difficult to miss. It sticks out like a sore
> thumb like some of Hartnell's botched lines that they don't bother to retake.

Pick up a copy of, I think it is, "Doctor Who:  The Early Years".  This book
will give you a great insight into how shows were put together in the 60's
and before.  In those days they shot everything as live.  Edits weren't
impossible, but they were incredibly tedious things to do -- a microscope
and sticky tape were involved in the process and even then the edits weren't
very good (look at the jump between when Ian and Barbara walk into the
police box and when they switch the scene to the interior of the TARDIS in
"An Unearthly Child").  I think the fact that Hartnell had relatively few
botched lines shows just how good of an actor he was, considering the number
of takes they do on some episodes in recent years (just look at the bloopers
from "Delta And The Bannermen"!).  It wasn't until the Troughton story
"Enemy Of The World" that they started shooting things out of sequence.  The
technology had improved significantly by that time.

Neil Marsh
The Whoosier Network
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Date: 08 Sep 92 22:29 CDT
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Subject: Dr. Who Quote Quiz - Quiz 1 REPEAT
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