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From: marcus@ips104.desy.de (Marcus Speh)
Subject: test
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:50:26 GMT

this is a test

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Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: s92068to@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Tetsuya Ohnishi)
Subject: test
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Fujisawa Japan
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:03:33 GMT

test
test

tetsu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
From: tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:47:34 GMT

Mikhail:

> What I find obnoxious is the linguistic games in which you feel compelled
> to indulge, whilst justifying your claim to the high moral ground of the
> humanity's benefactors.

Pardon my jumping in, but it does not seem particularly obnoxious or
dishonest to me to have a short english word in front of ..Software
Foundation instead prepending the name with a long paragraph explaining a
host of details.

The use of it is free, and that's what most people value, so I think "free"
captures the spirit of this as well as any short common word can be expected
to.

In any case, the CopyLeft license can be easily obtained and read (As I'm
sure you have), so I can't believe anyone is truly misled.

        Tom

-- 
The Tom spreads its huge, scaly wings and soars into the wild sky...      
(tob@world.std.com)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:34:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>The way I see it, the use of GNU places me under a legal obligation to
>the FSF; on the other hand, as a certified misanthrope with no ready
>ftp access, I have no way to obtain a copy for nothing.

Two unsupported, unsupportable assertions.  

What legal obligation is placed upon the USER of GNU software?  
Be specific;  I use GNU software every day.  I have yet to pay
any money for it;  it works better than the commercial software 
it replaced, but I don't want to expose myself to unnecessary 
legal hassles.  What am I missing?  Am I a victim of brain-washing?

As for "no way to obtain a copy for nothing":  this assertion 
only demonstrates ignorance and that you haven't been reading.  

It has been repeatedly pointed out that GNU software is available free
of charge to anyone with enough ability and time to learn how to use
the various ftp-by-email services.  This surely includes Mikhail Zeleny.

Do you require that FSF itself set up a free BBS or provide a 
self-service disk duplicator in their office?  Do you require
that GNU software by delivered free of charge by an FSF
representative to your home?  Do you require a free personal 
tutorial, and perhaps the right to bore and/or insult the tutor 
during the lesson?

Is the software not free enough because you personally have not
taken the time to find out how to get it for free, or because
FSF does not include a list of all possible "free" ways to get
the software at the beginning of each price of its price lists? 

Or is ftp-by-email not free enough because you have to pay a
phone bill or own a not-free computer and modem to use it?

Is it not "free" because my grandmother has never heard of it?

As for Mr. Zeleny being a "certified misanthope", I imagine 
that the feeling is mutual.
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:53:24 EST
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <C0Asur.B1E@mtholyoke.edu> 
jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:

>In article <1993Jan3.054314.18948@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>Here our intuitions diverge.  If your argument is correct, I see the
>>price differential as a way of offering a $300 reward for lying.

JB:
>They do not have to "lie".  An employee can purchase the disk at
>individual prices, and since the GNU license allows her to redistribute
>the software she can then install it on company computers.  Since there
>is no "acceptance of distribution" (or "recipient") license, no "lying"
>is involved.

Obviously our standards of honesty differ.  If I were to give my
employee $100, and send her down the street to the FSF office with an
instruction to purchase a CD-ROM, and subsequently to install the
program on my machines, I would judge my request as doubly dishonest.

>--
>Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
>Northampton, MA, USA

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: bc151@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: {Is there a FAQ for GNU?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 09:04:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



Is there a FAQ for GNU? Because I've got a few questions about
it:

I'm looking at finally getting a new machine soon. Thus far I've
been considering solely some kind of PC-- 386 or 486-- and
running DOS on it. Is there some PC-class machine that'll run
GNU without a helluva lotta tinkering?

What machines costing under $2000, if any, can I do GNU on?

Anything other info helpful to a beginner would be
appreciated... if there's a FAQ, I'll gladly read that first.

Thanks,

==================================================================
Ken Fisler		Internet:      bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
             		Bitnet: bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
===================================================================
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:54:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.054314.18948@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>Here our intuitions diverge.  If your argument is correct, I see the
>price differential as a way of offering a $300 reward for lying.

They do not have to "lie".  An employee can purchase the disk at
individual prices, and since the GNU license allows her to redistribute
the software she can then install it on company computers.  Since there
is no "acceptance of distribution" (or "recipient") license, no "lying"
is involved.

--
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
Northampton, MA, USA
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:39:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan2.233952.18946
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <C08tEz.2tF@cs.psu.edu> 
schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz) writes:

>tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:

TOB:
>>Pardon my jumping in, but it does not seem particularly obnoxious or
>>dishonest to me to have a short english word in front of ..Software
>>Foundation instead prepending the name with a long paragraph explaining a
>>host of details.

SS:
>How about the word "Shared", then?  I think it communicates the facts
>(if not the politics) better than "Free" does.  Too late now, though.

Mea culpa.  I wish I had never suggested "Free Software Foundation" as
an allegedly neutral alternative to Stallman's preferred "Frenetics".
I agree that "Shared" (perforce) is an apt adjective for the current
state of affairs; then again, had I not thought that the end result
would be free, I would not have been likely to get involved in
promoting it.

In article <9301022105.AA10470@raisin-scone> 
tower@ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:

LHT:
>In retrospect, I wish we had name FSF the:
>	Software Freedom Foundation
>but it's way to late now.

Well, I wish you had named it something else, too.  But surely your
proposed alternative makes as much of a difference as Peoples' Front
of Judea -- from Judean Peoples' Front.  At issue here is not the word
order, but your claim to freedom.

>enjoy -len
>
>Member, League for Programming Freedom.  Ask: lpf@uunet.uu.net 

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:29:11 GMT

In article <C08tEz.2tF@cs.psu.edu> schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz) writes:

> But in any case, people are now enticed to do battle by what
>have become fighting words, which is a shame.

Some people are enticed to battle by nothing. After you've figured out
that they aren't listening, just add them to your kill file and you've
solved the problem.

Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
From: vozzo@protocol.zycad.com (Frank Vozzo)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Retarget of GDB
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:06:37 -0500
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD
Distribution: world
Reply-To: vozzo@protocol.zycad.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hayaku.protocol.zycad.com


	I am currently in the process of retargetting the GDB debugger to 
debug application programs executing on an ISS. I am looking for some help 
or more detailed documentation on what internal GBD procedures I need to 
use(or not). I have built my own version of remote.c, and I have been able 
to add my new configuration to the configure scripts.  If anyone could 
provide some insight, it would be greatly appreciated.


Frank Vozzo	
Software Eng.
Protocol, a Division of Zycad

vozzo@protocol.zycad.com
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Summary: Rubbish
Organization: Gainfully unemployed
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:48:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.122330.18937@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
... [ blah blah ]
>Semantic drift happens all the time, and it would be foolish for
>anyone to attempt to countervail its natural forces.  However, I see
>nothing wrong with objecting to a certain form of semantic reform,
>which is being promulgated on hypocritically self-serving grounds of
>protecting "my" rights.  I happen to have a vested interest in the
>current meaning of the adjective "free"; if you happen to feel
>otherwise, that is entirely your prerogative, and your problem.

Pardon me, but isn't "I am not free to make free software not free!" a
tautology, or something like that?

Give it up, already.  Let's call it the "Freely Available Software Foundation"
and get back to work ...

--
	- Greg Earle				| Disclaimer: These are my
	  Itinerant Sun Consultant		| opinions only, and not the
	  isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV	| opinions of JPL.  They just
	  (818) 353-8695			| let me post through them ...
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: AT&T sells USL to Novell
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:50:27 GMT

In article <ISHIKAWA.92Dec24181912@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp writes:
>According to a person who reads an article in a japanese newspaper,
>AT&T will sell 77 % of the stock it owns of USL to Novell.  So AT&T
>will probably be a big shareholder still (23%?).

AT&T doesn't own 100% of USL stock now... only about 70% or so, I think.
Another big shareholder is Sun.  Novell already held 5%, too.

>On the other hand, on workstation side (I mean SUN, and other
>workstatins), this sales to Novell makes whale of questions
>unanswered.

Sun already owns a slice of USL and will hold onto its slice under
the current agreement if I understand correctly.  Besides, Sun doesn't
need USL to market Solaris...

>Suddenly, Solaris (SunOS/SysVR4) doesn't look glittering in my eyes
>anymore. 

>What will USL do to keep U**X at the cutting edge of emerging
>technology?

What did AT&T ever do to keep Unix "at the cutting edge"..?!  If anyone
kept Unix at the cutting edge it was its users; UCB & friends, the vendors
who licensed SVRn, etc.  Besides, emerging technology has outpaced Unix...
SVR4 is merely a half-successful attempt to catch up.  (Note: Posix compliant
OSes can still be on the edge... just Unix(tm) isn't anymore, IMHO.)

--
Jurgen Botz                  |   Internet: JBotz@mtholyoke.edu
Academic Systems Consultant  |     Bitnet: JBotz@mhc.bitnet
Mount Holyoke College        |      Voice: (US) 413-538-2375 (daytime)
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:15:26 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <C08sBA.Gp8@world.std.com> 
tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:

>Mikhail:

MZ:
>>What I find obnoxious is the linguistic games in which you feel compelled
>>to indulge, whilst justifying your claim to the high moral ground of the
>>humanity's benefactors.

TOB:
>Pardon my jumping in, but it does not seem particularly obnoxious or
>dishonest to me to have a short english word in front of ..Software
>Foundation instead prepending the name with a long paragraph explaining a
>host of details.

That's just why I said that *I* find this practice obnoxious.  Surely
if you have no personal interest in preserving the meaning of freedom,
my objection may well appear frivolous to you.

TOB:
>The use of it is free, and that's what most people value, so I think "free"
>captures the spirit of this as well as any short common word can be expected
>to.

Pray tell, what is "the use of it", and just in what sense is it free?
The way I see it, the use of GNU places me under a legal obligation to
the FSF; on the other hand, as a certified misanthrope with no ready
ftp access, I have no way to obtain a copy for nothing.

TOB:
>In any case, the CopyLeft license can be easily obtained and read (As I'm
>sure you have), so I can't believe anyone is truly misled.

Consider a career as a copywriter; you have the right approach.  On
second thought, even that profession does not call for a small print
explanation that the "Care Free" menstrual pads will not *really* live
up to the insouciantly autarchic implications of their trade name.

>        Tom
>
>-- 
>The Tom spreads its huge, scaly wings and soars into the wild sky...      
>(tob@world.std.com)


cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Les beaulx bastisseurs nouveaulx de pierres mortes ne sont escriptz
en mon livre de vie.  Je ne bastis que pierres vives: ce sont hommes."
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: mea@polaris.utu.fi (Matti Aarnio)
Subject: Re: GPC - Alleged GNU Pascal Compiler
Organization: University of Turku, Computing Centre
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:28:13 GMT

dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton) writes:
>
>Some time ago, I heard about ongoing work on a GNU Pascal Compiler.  How
>is that coming?  What state is it in?  
>
>Thanks.

   Well,  "hello world" compiles correctly, other than that
I haven't had time to test.  Version 2.3 wasn't easy to compile,
it took me nearly an hour of tinkering with configs and makefiles,
and similar things...  But it does compile with GCC-2.3.2.

   If you do have time to put on testing/finetuning pre-alpha
version, you can get the present source via anonymous FTP from
kampi.hut.fi:jtv/gnu-pascal/     -directory.    It still lacks
something from the sets of ints/chars, read associated documents.

(And now jtv will yell at me for disclosing this on public venue.. ;)

>Doug Payton -- Internet:  dpayton@qcinet.gwinnett.com
>                                                           Merry CHRISTmas!

	/Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi>
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:49:12 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <haley.726062496@husc.harvard.edu> 
haley@husc11.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley) writes:

EH:
>[The GPL] only legally prevents people from profitting from it.

No, it does not.  Don't just hum along, -- read the lyrics.

EH:
>It boils down to this: The Software is "Free" like humans are "free";
>No one may bind it and lock it down, hidden behind closed doors and
>encrypted systems, held back by corporate greed.

There you go with the sophistical bit.  Humans are free as agents.
There is no parallel between that freedom and any property of GNU.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: herman@nosc.mil (John W. Herman)
Subject: Help with superopt-2.1
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:41:22 GMT

--
I was not sure where to put this question.  I tried to add a byte
swapper to the superopt-2.1 goal.def function.  I have to convert
quickly a lot of data in little-endian format to big-endian.  Even
though I think I've done everything correctly and the program recompiles
without complaint, I still get the error unknown goal function.  Any
ideas??  Thank you.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
From: schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
	<1993Jan2.043903.18936@husc3.harvard.edu> <C08sBA.Gp8@world.std.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:10:20 GMT

tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:
   Pardon my jumping in, but it does not seem particularly obnoxious or
   dishonest to me to have a short english word in front of ..Software
   Foundation instead prepending the name with a long paragraph explaining a
   host of details.

How about the word "Shared", then?  I think it communicates the facts
(if not the politics) better than "Free" does.  Too late now, though.

   In any case, the CopyLeft license can be easily obtained and read (As I'm
   sure you have), so I can't believe anyone is truly misled.

I can.  But in any case, people are now enticed to do battle by what
have become fighting words, which is a shame.
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:27:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

haley@husc11.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley) writes:
>The differential (correct me if I am wrong) applies only to the cost
>of an aliminum and plastic disk. $100 for individuals, $400 for
>businesses, who are likely to have several computers to put it on...

So it costs FSF more to mail a disk to a business?  Or do they use a
different kind of disk for business sales?  Maybe a better grade of plastic,
or perhaps gold rather than aluminum?

--Tim Smith
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:32:12
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
	<1993Jan2.201747.28886@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
	<1993Jan2.215318.18942@husc3.harvard.edu> <C09qwG.8no@news.udel.edu>
	<haley.726062496@husc.harvard.edu>
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In-reply-to: haley@husc11.harvard.edu's message of 3 Jan 93 12:01:36 GMT

The GPL says nothing about profitting by selling our software.  The exact
words in the GPL say

   You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy,... 

Some people have assumed this means you can only charge enough to recover
the cost of physical media and shipping.  Those people are wrong.  Nowhere
does the GPL say how large or small the fee can be.  If nothing else,
people could examine our own behavior.  We most certainly charge more than
it costs us to make actual copies and mail them.  
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton)
Subject: GPC - Alleged GNU Pascal Compiler
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:18:51 GMT
Organization: Quality Consultants, Inc.

Some time ago, I heard about ongoing work on a GNU Pascal Compiler.  How
is that coming?  What state is it in?  

Thanks.

(Flames to comp.lang.c.evangelists)
-- 
Doug Payton -- Internet:  dpayton@qcinet.gwinnett.com
                                                           Merry CHRISTmas!
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: AT&T sells USL to Novell
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:34:01 GMT

In article <BzMsEL.5pp.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
>In article <BzMF3I.GMn@news.udel.edu> johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
>>CNN just reported that AT&T has sold USL to Novell.
>
>It isn't April, is it?

Nope, this is really happening.

>Imagine the consequences if Apple ends up owning USL.

Apple and Novell are not merging.  That was pure silly rumor, and the
USL deal proves it: Novell's priorities are elsewhere entirely.  They
are taking a breath and taking on Microsoft by themselves.  A more
likely next move for them would be a merger with Borland.

>First of all, what happens to the FSF boycott of Apple?

Irrelevant anyway, since GNU *is* effectively a boycott of USL (is that so
hard to understand?)

--
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