HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.guitar.hardcore (etc)
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:56:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.120745.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.172046.2887@tellab5.tellabs.com>, pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes:
|> > In article <1992Oct11.203953.13469@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> dabrown@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
|> >>     Check out alt.skinhead.
|> >>
|> > 
|> > *-----------*
|> > 
|> > The music discussed in alt.skinheads is mainly ska, which bears no
|> > resemblence to hardcore.
|> > 
|> > The music discussed in alt.thrash is mainly the different varieties of
|> > heavy metal, which bear no resemblence to hardcore.
|> > 
|> > There is a mailing list which deals with punk/HC music, the punk-list, and
|> > there is a mailing list which deals which the straight-edge sub-genre of
|> > hardcore music, sxex-list.  Is there a reason that a newsgroup is needed?
|> > 
|> Fair enough question, but mailing lists can be a right pain in the neck with a
|> limited disk quota student account - you spend masses of online time trying to
|> clean up your disk-space; you miss messages when your file overflows because
|> you neglected to check your mail for one day and so on.
|> 
|> Also a newsgroup is far more accessable to people just interested in browsing
|> through what people have to say on a topic without having to cope with the
|> hassles of the above mentioned factors.  Some poor souls also have no Email
|> access.  A newsgroup tend to reach a wider audience.  People keep quoting stats
|> at me which show that thousands of people read some groups out of interest
|> while only a couple of dozen regularly post.
|> 
|> An alt.music.punk and an alt.music.grunge would be good to have, especially
|> considering the number of alt.metal.* groups around and groups devoted to a
|> single band while these encompass broad categories.
|> 
|> I also, personally, feel that they would be of far more use than groups such as
|> alt.butt_keg.marmalade, alt.angst.xibo.sex and others which are already here
|> and nobody uses.
|> 
|> Comments?
|> 
|> 

I agree. Mailing lists are not a good substitute. 

Guitar hardcore *is* getting very popular amongst alternative music
listeners. Already the hardcore traffic on r.m.i and a.m.a show that
there is a considerable interest.

Will alt.guitar.hardcore distinguish between *real* hardcore and 
Techno  (*********:(


Hardcore is not played by skinheads (check out Kirk Cobains hair cut)
and is no longer considered part of thrash. It is a broad category
encompassing many styles of hard, loud, distorted guitar music.

eg from Sonic Youth to Godflesh.......

Mark.
Xref: sparky alt.config:6225 news.misc:1739
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.misc
Subject: Re: killfile
Summary: Why?
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:11:35 GMT
Followup-To: news.misc
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <2AD31C69.8964@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan):
> >[Don't] assume that everyone has the time and the money to go out and
> >buy their own computer and modem and outfit it with their own newsfeed.
> 
> As for me, I assume no such thing.
>
> I do, however, assert that anyone not willing or able to take the
> above-mentioned steps would be well served to STOP COMPLAINING.

But Chip, complaining is the American way! As proof I cite the above
statement of yours where you are, in effect, complaining about people
complaining! (: half a smiley for the humor impaired)

BTW, anyone ever write a killfiles hack for Bnews?



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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: re-newgrouping
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:07:54 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>I've been asked by some people at a site which has newsgroup problems
>to ask for a re-newgrouping of the rec.games.mud.* groups

The person to ask about newgroups in the main hierarchies is
David Lawrence (tale@uunet.uu.net).  Nobody else should be issuing
nonlocal newgroups for rec.

>and also
>the following alt. groups:

>alt.fan.paws
>alt.angst.xibo.sex

We don't have an alt.fan.paws in our active file and I don't believe
I've ever received an article for it.  The other group is x'ed out
and not likely to change.

I'd recommend bringing up alt.fan.paws as a new group if it would
have a legitimate purpose.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                   kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                              +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics      I just thought of a neat disproof of
     Fermat's last theorem, but .signatures can only be four lines.
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore (etc)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172046.2887@tellab5.tellabs.com>, pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.203953.13469@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> dabrown@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>     Check out alt.skinhead.
>>
> 
> *-----------*
> 
> The music discussed in alt.skinheads is mainly ska, which bears no
> resemblence to hardcore.
> 
> The music discussed in alt.thrash is mainly the different varieties of
> heavy metal, which bear no resemblence to hardcore.
> 
> There is a mailing list which deals with punk/HC music, the punk-list, and
> there is a mailing list which deals which the straight-edge sub-genre of
> hardcore music, sxex-list.  Is there a reason that a newsgroup is needed?
> 
Fair enough question, but mailing lists can be a right pain in the neck with a
limited disk quota student account - you spend masses of online time trying to
clean up your disk-space; you miss messages when your file overflows because
you neglected to check your mail for one day and so on.

Also a newsgroup is far more accessable to people just interested in browsing
through what people have to say on a topic without having to cope with the
hassles of the above mentioned factors.  Some poor souls also have no Email
access.  A newsgroup tend to reach a wider audience.  People keep quoting stats
at me which show that thousands of people read some groups out of interest
while only a couple of dozen regularly post.

An alt.music.punk and an alt.music.grunge would be good to have, especially
considering the number of alt.metal.* groups around and groups devoted to a
single band while these encompass broad categories.

I also, personally, feel that they would be of far more use than groups such as
alt.butt_keg.marmalade, alt.angst.xibo.sex and others which are already here
and nobody uses.

Comments?


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From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.pugwash
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 2037@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>Unless you want tons of net.chatter and daily postings asking "Hey whats
>a pugwash?"  find a better name.

Nah, pugwash is just fine, as everyone knows he was the pirate captain
of the Black Pig.

Cheers,
C
From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: not everybody uses UNIX
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:58:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config,misc.test,alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:

|Gene Spafford (spaf@cs.purdue.EDU) writes in news.announce.newusers:

|>11. Usenet is not a UNIX network.
|>
|>    Don't assume that everyone is using "rn" on a UNIX machine.  Among
|>    the systems used to read and post to Usenet are Vaxen running VMS,
|>    IBM mainframes, Amigas, and MS-DOS PCs.

>Thus, as we can see, rpwhite is not only misinformed and has chosen to post
>about it to the net so we can all smile tolerantly at his failings.


HAW HAW HAW
I GET IT!@#

JOEL FURR DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE!!@!@@

I GET IT !!@!@@!

HAW HAW TAKE TWO THEY'RE SMALL!@!# HAW! YOU JOEL FURR ARE NO GENE
SPAFFORD!

You toss out Gene Spafford out when I was referring to what Great Leader
Kibo said about non-UNIX boxes when he declared his candidacy for President.
non-UNIX boxes will go away, along with relativity and the calculus in
Kibo's New World Order. Happynet[TM] will soon replace USENET anyway so
this thread becomes moot. Ta-ta for now.
From: dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Grabowski (KxiK))
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Proposal: alt.fraternities.sororities
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:20:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu

Proposal for newsgroup alt.fraternities.sororities
--------------------------------------------------
 
  Greek life is an important social aspect of many college 
campuses. Greek life provides for social interaction, 
community invlovement, and helps with one's academic career. 
Recently, there have been incidents where fraternities have 
come under fire from both campus administrations and legal 
authorities. These incidents have ranged from 
pledging/hazing programs, excessive use/abuse of alcohol, 
rape, to all sorts of other misdeeds.
  This author feels that a nationwide forum on Usenet would 
provide a medium that would allow members of many Greek 
organizations, spanning across the world to discuss these 
and other issues that we face with our schools, communities, 
and our own members.
 
  If you have any opinion to this proposal, please respond.
 
-Dave
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.kibology,alt.culture.usenet
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: not everybody reads USENET
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:38:29 GMT

kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
: In article <BvrAso.2tD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
: >So what?
: 
: I don't read Usenet either.  I just post.

Yeah. Who wants to read what these idiots write anyway. It is more fun
to post and see what sort of reaction occurs. 

Hm. Kibo, do you have a script that keeps track of the byte volume that
occurs in response to your postings? If you do, I would like to get hold
of it. It might be interesting to see the relationship between the original
volume and the volume of the responses that it triggers.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.pugwash
    <1992Oct13.234441.28152@tc.cornell.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:04:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:

>How about 'alt.org.pugwash'? Just 'alt.pugwash' by itself sounds like
>'alt.whine'.

I agree.  My first thought on seeing the name was that it was another
joke group.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                   kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                              +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics      I just thought of a neat disproof of
     Fermat's last theorem, but .signatures can only be four lines.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.dis
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:21:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.214505.25554@aber.ac.uk> ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) writes:

>The topic is fine, but I'd suggest something a lot more meaningful for
>the name, how about:
>
>alt.comp.distributed.simulations
>
>it doesn't break the naming conventions (no element more than 14 chars)
>and also means you get an alt.comp.distributed hierarchy into the
>bargain. 

True, but would alt.comp.simulations.distributed make more sense?  (I
have no experience with such applications, so I'm only tossing out
ideas.)  It depends on whether the subject matter falls more under
"simulations" or "distributed systems," and which hierarchy is likely
to get more traffic.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.education.distance
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: alt.authorware to be newgrouped
Keywords: authorware
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:36:22 GMT

In article <Bw3vnH.5IA@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:
>
>Wednesday 14th October 1992
>
>Previously, I sent out the note below.
>
>I have received just two replies, by e-mail, both favourable.  I
>have not seen any comments in alt.config or
>alt.education.distance.
>
>I now propose to send out a newgroup for alt.authorware, which
>may well gather some more interested people once alt.authorware
>is individually offered to people when they use their newsreader.

(I could have sworn I followed up on this subject, but here goes)

I humbly suggest that you create a heirarchy in which to put this group,
for example: alt.software.authorware .  I don't see a reason to create
a top-level group for something as obscure as this.

--Dave
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.music.hardcore
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:42:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.172747.5381@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
|> In article <BvuG27.MqG@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:
|> >Hardcore is a loose classification for a style of loud guitar based
|> >music. There are many hundreds of bands that fit this category and
|> >so room for much discussion. 
|> 
|> Hardcore is also a form of techno music (which uses no guitars whatsoever).
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|> So if this group is created you'll have to chase all the technophiles who
|> want to know about that Euromaster's song that runs at 250 bpm and has some
|> guy screaming in Dutch on it out of the group.
|> 
|> Something to think about.
|> 
|> Laura

Not where I come from.

Ther are alot of people on r.m.i and a.m.a who have a similar idea of
what hardcore is. There were also alot of positive responses.

This is a major form of alternative music and it deserves a forum for
discussion.

If you like LOUD, HARD, DISTORTED, NOISY, GRUNGY, GRINDY guitar music,
then show support for this proposal.

Let your voice be heard.

Mark.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:46:18 GMT

In article <9210071818.AA22918@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>If the ultimate answer to off-topic invaders in your newsgroup is "use a
>killfile" then for Christ's sake, what do we have newsgroup charters for?

I think the obvious solution to this problem is for you to just create
the newsgroup and be done with it.  After all, what does it *really* take
to create an alt newsgroup?

Either that and join the flow.  Run a unix box and build trn/rn whatever.
-- 
Paul Hutmacher
paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
{lobster,nuchat}!xcluud!paul
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: He's out in force this time
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:19:40 GMT

In article <?*#@byu.edu>, gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) writes...
>In article <1992Oct07.174523.13474JP0@tygra.Michigan.COM>, Bruce Becker writes:
>Control: newgroup alt.sex.pictures

>In article <1992Oct07.224043.29752@chinacat.unicom.com>, Bruce Becker writes:
>Control: newgroup alt.society.cu-digest

>In article <1992Oct7.044433.12174@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, Bruce Becker writes:
>Control: newgroup alt.oobe

>In article <1992Oct7.225158.21275@netcom.com>, Bruce Becker writes:
>Control: newgroup alt.graphics

Maybe it's time for someone to hack the "mad canceller" program to cancel
Becker's forged newgroups to reduce damage? :-)

(For those reaching for the flamethrowers, Just kidding!)

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: New (and again, old) group proposals
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:34:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.164846.12926@athena.cs.uga.edu> brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:
>In article <13OCT199217483106@acad3.alaska.edu> fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:
>>
>>alt.rock-n-roll.classic (originally proposed October 1990)
>>-----------------------
>>
>>radio and album sales.  Undoubtedly, everyone's definition of classic
>>rock is different, but my persoal definition of such would be any album-
>>oriented rock 'n roll recorded between 1967 and 1982.  Either discussing
>>the music and artists involved itself, or discussing the packaging of
>>the music in the 1990's is fair game in this group.
>
>It would probably eliminate much confusion if the group was called
>"alt.music.aor" or "alt.rock-n-roll.aor."  (For those who don't know,
>AOR stands for "album oriented rock."
>
I don't see how "aor" would be a better name than "classic".  I also disagree
with the definition of "classic" rock as beginning in 1967, but as Sean says,
each person would have a slightly different definition of classic.  I would
favor the idea of an "alt.rock-n-roll.classic" for all rock music over 10
years old.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com



Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:22:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.201442.8705@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
> In article <BvoMzM.3AD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.023041.16233@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
>>
>>>[My post about killfiles deleted]
>>[Tim's justification of the creation of a.f.c deleted]
> 
> Well I don't know much about the contents of a.f.g-s or about the Cthulhu
> mythos but when I read Joel's post it sounded like he was complaining
> about the people ("jackasses") who posted to the Cthulhu thread as much
> as the thread itself.
> 
> He says:
> 
> 				"The jackasses have ignored request after
> request from the alt.folklore.ghost-stories regulars... even some of the
> lurkers have come out and posted asking them to leave... and the Cthulhu
> idiocy, which couldn't have less to do with ghost stories if they tried,
> rages on."

[killfiles and Casper deleted]

While initially in favour of an alt.horror.cthulhu or some such I'm not
entirely sure after hearing some of this.  What I would be interested in would
be a newsgroup devoted to people genuinely interested in Lovecraft's
writings/concepts, and perhaps even encouraging fanzine style writing of
"cthulhu-mythos" stories to be posted.

But I would NOT want it turning into something like alt.fan.monty-python, which
is extremely silly indeed.

I read a post from someone planning on creating this group but I haven't seen
it yet.  Has there been a change of plan?  May I suggest having the Cthulhu
group moderated if it is introduced.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: Proposal new alt.pub group
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:27:34 GMT

As the creator of the idea for alt.pub.dragons-inn, I see no reason
why a group that is aimed more at the sci-fi genre should not exist.
I give it the big yes.


--
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 curable only by marriage.

Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.education.distance
From: mpk9716@rigel.tamu.edu (Health Man)
Subject: Re: alt.authorware to be newgrouped
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: authorware
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:40:00 GMT

Will Overington writes...
> 
>Proposal for the creation of alt.authorware
> 
	I would subscribe to an alt.authorware group.

>This is certainly a specialist topic.
	Yes this is a specialist topic.  I do not know many people who use
Authorware.  Most people I work with use Hypercard to author Computer
Assisted Instruction.

> 
>Authorware has a vast number of possibilities.
	
	Authorware does have a vast number of possibilities.  However, I
have found that Authorware is better for presentations than for interactive
learning.  If the group does get created, I will be sure to support my
coments with examples.

Mike Kelly
Texas A&M University
Dept. of Health Education
Newsgroups: alt.config,talk.bizarre