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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:51:40 MST
From:         Madge McBurney <ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Repentence
              27 Jul 1992 10:15:01 -0700 from <jstahley@QUALCOMM.COM>

Listserv rejected this post from Brenda Gage (BJGAGE@KSUVM) due to a
problem with a forwarding address being present in the header. --Madge
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Hello...I just wanted you to know that I will be praying for you.  Al-
though I have not gone through what you have, I do understand and can
empathize with you.  I fell from God's grace 14 years ago...my life was
in shambles and the experiences I had gone through hurt and scarred me
so badly I didn't think or believe for that matter God would ever for-
give me.  The condemnation I fell under was so great, even though I had
asked God to forgive me and I knew He said He would...the enemy was re-
lentless in his condemnation.  Anyway I remember sitting at the top of
the stairs that lead to the basement and I was crying...feeling so lost
and from deep within this scripture came to me:  If we confess our sins,
He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from
all unrighteousness.  That's found in I John 1:9.  It was the Word of
God that set me free from all that guilt and condemnation...praise God!!

As soon as the Word came...all that guilt and condemnation left and I
had been battling that for over a year.  It's Satan who accuses us be-
cause he is the accuser of the brethern.  He wants us not to believe
what God has spoken to us through His Word.  I encourage you to read
I John 1:9 and allow the Holy Spirit to minister truth and grace to
you.  God loves you...and He desires that you be set free.  Also read
Luke 4:18...Christ came to deliver us from all that would bind us.
Also we need to forgive ourselves for those things we have allowed in
our lives...if Christ has forgiven you and He has...who are we then
not to accept His forgiveness and forgive ourselves?
May God bless you...take care.  I will be praying.

                                  Yours in Christ...Brenda
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:54:52 DNT
From:         Claus Tondering <ct@DDE.DK>
Subject:      Re: Footprints
              Jul 21, 92 3:12 am

Dear Kerry,

You write:
> The origin of the story is detailed in this month's Guidepost.  The text
> can be found on hundreds of items in any Christian bookstore, but if
> you like, I can bring one home and copy it.

I live in a non-English speaking country, so our Christian bookstores
don't carry many English items. I would be very pleased if you would
take the time to copy it for me. Thank you!


Yours in Christ,
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk


P.S.  What does "Love INC" mean?
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:22:47 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Genesis and evolution

A few minutes ago I wrote that my first two GENxx RUFF Essays
are particularly relevant to questions of Darwinism and Genesis.
I ought to have said, "my first three essays." To obtain them,
send to LISTSERV@ASUACAD the following three messages.
 GET GEN01 RUFF
 GET GEN02 RUFF
 GET GEN03 RUFF

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:00:56 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply to William Powell

Dear William ;

Wicca is a pagan religion which is actually witchcraft in disguise.
The person whose name came up is named Dan and he confesses to be a
Wiccan High Priest ... a witch.
This sort of stuff is to be steered clear of!



                                       Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:29:00 CST
From:         KCONE@UTMEM2.BITNET
Subject:      SO-CALLED PRO-CHOICERS

A few people on the list have asked me to fruther explain why I believe
that "pro-choice" leaders are not actually pro-choice, but pro-abortion.
I believe that the "pro-choice" label is a lie. I have no PROOF, just
experience and observation with which to make my point.

First, experience. My wonderful wife was involved with a pro-life group
that attempts to counsel young women as they entered abortion clinics.
This group (not Operation Rescue) would simply approach the women going
into the clinic and try to share with them that there are other options,
and then offer their help (as well as, the Gospel). Of course, the
managers of the clinic (N.O.W.) did not appreciate these women receiving
any more information. Members of NOW physically blocked off the pro-lifers
from even speaking to the women in need. It appeared that the only choice
they were interested in was a choice FOR abortion.

Second, observation. The recent Supreme Court decision on the Casey case,
provides an excellent demonstration of the pro-abortion mentality. The
pro-abortionists were livid that Pennsylvania would be able to promote
women making a more informed, rational choice. Waiting periods, parental
consent, and the like (I would like to see ultra-sounds be required
viewing for any women contemplating an abortion. My wife just had one
herself--IT'S A GIRL!) do NOT restrict abortion at all, they just
make the choice truly more of a choice. Faye Wattleton, Kate Michalman,
and Molly Yard (the leaders of whom I have been refering) cringe at
a real choice. Why? Because, they are PRO-ABORTION.

Kevin
Memphis
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:38:22 -0400
From:         "Toni J. Benner" <tjbenner@COLBY.EDU>
Subject: Re: friend in need of prayer
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Julia, I will be praying. I don't know if this will help, but as I
was getting ready for work this morning, I heard  on one of my Christian
radio programs a story of a man who was being proclaimed as wonderful.
The wife  asked him, "Why does  she  think you are  so wonderful? What
did  you do? He said that he just  listened to her, then put his arms
around her and prayed that God would bring her through. Sometimes
a listening ear is the best answer. A scripture in Proverbs  comes
to my mind. "Trust in the Lord with  all thine  heart. Lean not on thine
own  understanding. In all thy ways  acknowledge  Him, and He shall direct
thy paths."
Toni
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:48:00 EST
From:         "Lauren H. Arango" <LHARANGO@OWUCOMCN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Doxology

Lon, according to the Episcopal 1982 Hymnal, the following hymns are sung
to the tune of "Old 100th":

        Hymn #377

        All people that on earth do dwell,
        Sing to the Lord with cheerful voice;
        Him serve with mirth, his praise forth tell,
        Come ye before Him and rejoice.

        Know that the Lord is God indeed;
        Without our aid He did us make;
        We are His folk, He doth us feed,
        And for His sheep He doth us take.

        O enter then His gates with praise,
        Approach with joy His courts unto;
        Praise, laud, and bless His Name always,
        For it is seemly so to do.

        For why? the Lord our God is good,
        His mercy is for ever sure;
        His truth at all times firmly stood,
        And shall from age to age endure.

        To Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
        The God whom Heaven and earth adore,
        From men and from the angel host
        Be praise and glory evermore.

        Hymn #378

        (Sorry....make that Hymn #380)

        From all that dwell below the skies
        Let the Creator's praise arise!
        Let the Redeemer's Name be sung
        Through every land, by every tongue!

        Eternal are thy mercies, Lord,
        And truth eternal is thy word:
        Thy praise shall sound from shore to shore
        Till suns shall rise and set no more.

        (The third verse is the traditional Doxology verse).



I hope this is what you were looking for.

                                        God's peace,
                                        Lauren
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:49:38 -0700
From:         jstahley@QUALCOMM.COM
Subject:      Re: Thank You
X-To:         Practical Christian Life <CHRISTIA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

>>
>>I would like to Thank all of you for kind words of support,encouragement
>>and love. Most of all, you have shown me a lighted path thru the darkness
>>and I know now that I am not alone. Would anyone have the time or resources
>>to do a online, one to one discipleship with me?
>>                                JSTAHLEY@ATHENA.QUALCOMM.COM
>>
>>                                RECEIVING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT
>>
>Having gone through a little of what you have talked about, I am willing
>to take the time to 'talk' it over with you if you like...
>
>email me..
>
>I dont know about discipleship though, we are all disciples of Jesus!
>
>
>
>---------------------+-------------+-----------------------------------------
>Ian Williams         |    _--_|\   |      Internet: iwilliam@au.oracle.com
>Oracle Systems       |   /      \  |	  Phone	  : +61 8 239 3900
>Adelaide, Australia  |   \_.--*_/  |
>                     |         v   |

That would be great! Tell you what I'll Email ya tomorrow,getting ready to
leave work right now!

Thank you, BROTHER

                                JSTAHLEY@ATHENA.QUALCOMM.COM

                                RECEIVING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:46:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: You have to preach in church to be a REAL reverend

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus,

        There is no such thing as a reverend. The word is not even a noun. There
are Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers, Witnesses, Ministers
Elders, Bishops, Deacons, Believers, Beloveds, Saints, Children, Brothers and
Sisters, Mothers...
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:41:34 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksgiving

Several things have gone well for me lately, for which I thank God.
I don't think any of them are important enough to discuss in detail,
but God is active in our everyday lives, not just in the "big"
things, and we should thank him for the little things too.

Marty Helgesen
From: spk@uk.ac.aber (Stephen Kingston)
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Subject: Joel
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:30:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Wales at Aberystwyth.

Madge has kindly placed copies of my series on Joel in the Christia library.
The files are called:

JOEL CHAP1
JOEL CHAP2
JOEL CHAP3

To get your copy, send the one line message:

GET JOEL CHAP1 

(similarly for chapters 2 and 3) to: 

LISTSERV@ASUACAD (if you use bitnet mail)

or

LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU (if you use internet mail)

Many thanks to Madge for placing these files in the library so promptly
despite her recent illness.

Stephen.
-- 
Gweleis i rac neb nym gweles pop annwyl. ef diwyl yneges. Gweleis i pasc.
(I saw the one above all men,  he saw me;  he, the beloved of his people,
who fulfills his mission. I saw Easter.) "Yspeil Taliesin" ---Taliesin---
spk@uk.ac.aber --- spk%uk.ac.aber@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk --- Stephen Kingston
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Fact?
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:39:00 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92072815062116@ASUACAD.BITNET>, HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET (Love does not subtract, it multiplies.) writes...

[...]

>Something asserted to be true is a fact?  One can assert that pi is equal to 3
>integral, or that Napolean won at Waterloo, but neither of these assertions are
>facts.

[...]

	Just curious here. Is it a fact that Napolean was at Waterloo?
	If it is a fact, how would you prove it?


 en agape,
 Bob 
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:49:00 CST
From:         JULIA 204 <JRS1488@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject:      friend in need of prayer

I just got a call from a Christian friend of mine who could possibly
be on the verge of suicide.  It's not likely, but he really needs
prayer.  His name is Stephen, and any encouraging scripture ya'll
may have is greatly appreciated!
I think he just needs someone to listen to him, but he really seems
down on God.  I don't know too many details yet-- but please pray
for him.
IN HIS LOVE,
   Julia
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 02:48:46 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject: Re: 'Superstitious behavior'

 > I'm just curious.  What are (is?) "widdershins"?
 >                                                   --Kerry

"Widdershins" -- or "withershins" -- means "counter-clockwise."

"Wither" related to "with" and meaning "against." (Fighting with
someone sometimes has the meaning of fighting against him.)

"Shins" related to "send" and meaning "journey."

Hence, widdershins = counter-journey = a trek or trip made
anti-clockwise, against the "natural" direction taken by the shadow
of the sundial.

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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From: fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco)
Subject: Re: US Politicians Twisting Scripture
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:11:15 GMT

MB09@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes:


>>You are absolutely correct.  Jackson's use of Scripture is even worse
>>than Clinton's because he is a Reverend, and people assume that he
>>speaks with some authority on these matters.  I expect Cuomo, Clinton,
>>Gore, and so on to speak out of ignorance on details of the Bible.  I
>>am disgusted that Jackson would sink so low.


>I learned something very interesting yesterday about Jesse Jackson.  It
>seems that Jesse Jackson is not a "Reverend" at all.  It seems he changed
>his name to "Reverend Jesse Jackson" when Martin Luther King was popular
>so that he would sound important and people would listen to him.  Does
>anyone else know anything about this?  It sounds like a rather deceiving
>trick to me if this is true.

While he may have legitimately earned the title of "reverend," I do
know that Jesse Jackson has never led a congregation, nor has he ever
given a sermon. If he indeed rightfully earned the title, I would
suspect it would have only been done for political gain.

-ACF

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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:15:00 GMT
From:         CLIFF@AUC.EG
Subject:      Re: Coptic Orthodox Church

Zane,
Hi! I would be more than willing to send you info about the Coptic Orthodox
Church or answer any of your questions. I live in Cairo, Egypt and have many
Coptic friends. Feel free to contact me.

Cliff Gardner, American Univ in Cairo
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:18:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Counselling.
X-To:         christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

Kerry,

I knew we'd agree on SOMETHING.  My mail filter edits out all the header
info from Christia posts, so your address was not there.  Send me private
email so I can get your address.

Sorry list, no cho ice but to post here.  Besides, this is an historic
occasion, Kerry and I agreeing.  [wide grin, lots of teeth]

Dan Graham
graham@drcvax.af.mil
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:11:31 MST
From:         Madge McBurney <ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      One of my very favorite hymns

  Breathe on me, Breath of God,
  fill me with life anew,
  that I may love what thou dost love,
  and do what thou wouldst do.

  Breathe on me, Breath of God,
  until my heart is pure,
  until with thee I will one will,
  to do or to endure.

  Breathe on me, Breath of God,
  till I am wholly thine,
  till all this earthly part of me
  glows with thy fire divine.

  Breathe on me, Breath of God,
  so shall I never die;
  but live with thee the perfect life
  of thine eternity.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:00:00 EST
From:         "Lauren H. Arango" <LHARANGO@OWUCOMCN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Footprints

Claus,

In the July 1992 issue of "Guideposts" magazine, there's an article about
the woman who wrote "Footprints".  Her name is Margaret Rose Powers.

I'm not sure if you can find "Guideposts" in Denmark, so if you'll send
me your complete postal address, I'll mail you my copy.

                                        God's peace,
                                        Lauren
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:45:32 CDT
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From:         Renee <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Clinton's acceptance speech and Scriptural allusions

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
At Bible study this morning, someone mentioned that the "scripture" that
Bill Clinton quoted in his acceptance speech comes not from the Bible,
but from the Book of Mormon.

Does anyone know if this is so?
                                        God's peace,
                                        Lauren

In the text of Bill Clinton's acceptance speech printed in THE BIRMINGHAM
NEWS on last Friday, there were quotation marks around the sentence "where
there is no vision, the people perish" (don't know if that is exactly right,
I do not have the speech at work) but there WERE NOT  quotation marks around
the remark in question.  Unless the rules of grammer have changed dramatically,
 this leads me to believe that he/his speech writer never intended for people
to debate if that is found verbatum in the Bible - he is not saying that it
is!!  If people wish to debate the practice and implication of "chop-quoting"
this is fine, but please, before you get all upset that he made up scripture,
check some of the punctuation - its a pretty clear clue as to whether someone
was quoting directly/paraphrasing/chop-quoting, etc.

      Hoping that the reminders about "rumors" regarding Sandi Patti, Mike
      Warnke and the like also apply to Bill Clinton (and the like).
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From: nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu (N. L. Tinkham)
Subject: "Covenanted" marriage partners attending different churches
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Glassboro State College
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:43:37 GMT

Kerry Stephenson asks:

> Also, could anyone comment on the practice of covenanted marriage partners
> attending different churches?  Is this a common practice, and, if so,
> does anyone know the demographics of couples who do?

What are "covenanted" marriage partners?  Do you mean simply married couples,
or Christian couples who were married in a church, or something more specific?

_____________________________________________________________________________

                                              Nancy Tinkham
                                              nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu
From: spk@uk.ac.aber (Stephen Kingston)
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Subject: Trivia
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:16:58 GMT
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> as one data point...

Shouldn't this be "as one datum"?

Stephen.
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Gweleis i rac neb nym gweles pop annwyl. ef diwyl yneges. Gweleis i pasc.
(I saw the one above all men,  he saw me;  he, the beloved of his people,
who fulfills his mission. I saw Easter.) "Yspeil Taliesin" ---Taliesin---
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:01:01 EDT
From:         Julie Nott <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reply to Julie Nott

Thanks Jesse for responding.  I was just wondering.  I am originally from
Baton Rouge, but now live in Lexington, KY.  Both of my parents graduated
in music from LSU and I attended McNeese in Lake Charles for a while.  Though
this has nothing to do with Christianity ... Sorry ... If you would like to
discuss Louisiana -- and we may have some mutual acquaintances that I may
want you to say "HI" to ... e-mail me at <str008@ukcc.uky.edu>

Julie
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:20:46 CDT
From:         Elizabeth Stevens <CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amy Grant and her "Crossover" Music
              27 Jul 1992 15:48:47 EDT from <LSMITH@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:48:47 EDT <LSMITH@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> said:
>I have a question to anyone out there who's listening (or reading as the case m
>ay be).  This subject may have been discussed before, but as a new user I wante
>d to get some opinions of fellow Christians.  What do you think of Amy Grant's
>crossover into contemporary music?
>
>However, Amy's last album, and her most famous song "Baby, Baby" did not have a
>nything to do with God.  How could she truly profess to be a Christian when she
> is singing music that does not edify Him?

While I rarely listen to contemporary Christian music, I happened to see
Amy Grant on a cable channel and the discussion of her new album made
note of the fact that "Baby Baby" was actually written for her own
little baby. As a mother, I feel that loving your child deeply is
indeed very edifying. They didn't play the song so I'm not familiar
with the lyrics. Is there something offensive in them?

In Christ,
Elizabeth
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