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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Suggestions to IBM
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:41:27 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep10.013227.10553@news.iastate.edu> TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:

>3)  IBM should include OS/2 preinstalled on all of their computers

Right now, PS/1's with enough memory and a few other new models are
coming with OS/2 2.0 preinstalled.  I don't think they're going to
change existing models, but I believe new models will come bundled
that way, now.

>  IBM would have to include the features of the upcoming CSD so that
>OS/2 would not be such a memory hog.  They would also have to train
>the salesmen/techs that would be working with OS on how to optimize
>it, which brings me to another point:

Of course they would bundle it with the most recent CSD level.  And
they'll free-upgrade them when more CSD's ship.

>4) IBM should come up with better VDM default settings and better
>   Win-OS/2 default settings
>
>  My win-OS/2 ran pretty slowly until I did the "tweaks" which were
>suggested in an earlier thread.  Granted, those tweaks have made
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>some systems lock up or caused other odd things to happen.  Perhaps
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>if only the ones which increased the performance dramatically were
>used (I don't have any suggestions because I just used all of the
>tweaks, and my WIN-OS/2 sessions have been great).

IBM's "out of the box" configuration is intended to be compatible with
as many systems as they can.  If they applied these tweaks out of the
box, many systems might not be out-of-the-box compatible.
-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "LECTURER, n.  One with his hand in your pocket,
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   his tongue in your ear, and his faith in your
 ((|,)                          patience."
  ~|~                              --- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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From: nat@netcom.com (Nathaniel Stitt)
Subject: Re: Is NT vs OS/2 really the subject?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:50:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep9.191956.10752@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>	And then, Microsoft develops it's own sattelite-launched
>thermonuclear arsenal with the obscene profits of it's complete world
>software monopoly, and they declare Bill Gates to be the Supreme
>Leader of the Universe.  After turning a few rebellious countries into
>atomic dust, the remaining governments crumble.  The population of
>world is enslaved, to dig in the dirt, to provide the Microsoft upper
>class with luxuries befitting their status and foresight.

You may be right, but I heard that IBM is *right now* suplementing their
own internal nuclear production capability with cross-licensing deals with
the former Soviet Union.  I also understand that they are working on an
object oriented click-to-launch capabilty for the next OS/2 CSD.  This
may be a pre-emptive move against Microsoft's Cairo "Personal Dictator"
applications scheduled for '94.

>-- 
>Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
>OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...


nat@netcom.com
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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: Hard future for OS/2 2.0 ....
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:33:59 GMT

In article <716296545snx@feki.toppoint.de> marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann) writes:
>Here in Germany a big computer newspaper (ComputerWoche) is VERY
>sceptical about the success of OS/2 2.0. During the last weeks the
>comments on this OS are getting worse.
...
> If you are a  customer today it seems to be clear: Windows 3.1 is
>working, has multimedia in it, has lot's of beautiful application
>(Lotus, AmiPro, Excel, Word, Freelance ............) and it's cheaper
>than OS/2 2.0.

All those programs are supposed to work under OS/2 too.

> The prices for dealers here in Germany are quite interesting:
>
>   Windows 3.1 for about $50 (without DOS), OS/2 2.0 for about $130
>
> The customer price is very strange: OS/2 2.0 price is still official
>placed at 440.- DM (or $300) from IBM. Other dealers (mail) offer
>this OS for about 300.- DM (or $200).

I don't agree here. The street price at shops in Munich is about
DM 220.-- ($150) if you buy it alone, not bundled with a machine. I do
not count dealers with a fame as bad as that of Vobis, for example.

OS/2, on the other hand has a street price of about DM 290.-- ($200, as
you wrote, at current exchange rate) at the SAME dealers, not mail
orders.

Some dealers don't have OS/2 2.0 in stores, because, as some have told
me, they can't get it fast enough to fulfill all orders from customers
(this may still mean that they sell it less often than Windows 3.1
because it is a much more sophisticated product, but means that IBM
Germany has greatly underestimated the demand).

Also, comparing the $50 of Windows without DOS to OS/2 (which includes
"DOS") is strange, you have to get a DOS for the Windows 3.1 customers
as well and then there is no real difference.

> For me it's clear: OS72 is the right product for me. 

For me, too.

> Any comments?

Yes. The testers/journalists at german computer journals usually don't
know much about computers and software, with one real exception, the
german c't magazine (which has rather favourable articles about OS/2).
The ComputerWoche newspaper is usually called the "Bild-Zeitung" of the
german computer press and has been known for a very long time already
as "anti-IBM" biased.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams

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I don't know much (not a dam thing) about NT, but I do know there are a lot of
DOS users who are very eager to get a copy of OS/2.  If for no other reason
than just to be able to multitask the DOS apps they have, me for one.  I just
got OS/2 today and its driving me nuts knowing I have to wait until I get home
to install it.

Another reason, besides the multitasking, that I wanted OS/2 is because I can
not run my CORELDRAW v. 2.0 without constant crap from WIN 3.1.  I finaly had
to reinstall WIN 3.0 (major drag).  

I am curious how some of you people feel about WINDOWS 3.x being touted as an
OS, bugs me to no end.  If NT does turn out to be worth checking into, I will.
No matter what happens with OS/2 as far as new "bug fixed" releases go, its to
be expected in the OS market.  God forbid that MS should ever have to upgrade
DOS 2.0 to anything so unfreaking believable as MS-DOS v. 6.0. Such things just
don't happen in the real world.

It seams to me that NT will simply follow the same path as all the other trash
coming from MS (CONSTANT UPGRADES WITH UNWANTED FEATURES).  I do think MS has
got a couple of good products, word, excel 3.0.  I havn't found much need for
most of the buzzers and bells.  I don't think its to far out in RAM LAND to
expect NT and OS/2 to follow the upgrade path, just look at DOS and UNIX.

I only hope my wallet can keep up!  By the way, I have an HP 486s/20, 120M-HD,
with 16M RAM.  This should be plenty for OS/2 shouldn't it?


-Dave,              

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From: cfdwe@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (David Ebdon)
Subject: Boot Failures--Was<IS IBM UK STILL IN THE STONE AGE???>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 21:47:11 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

Tom Wilson's remark in a previous post reminds me how I solved a boot
failure problem when I first put OS/2 on my 486-33 clone.  Actually my 20
year old son solved it.  We were using the dual boot procedure, and the
system "forgot" how to come up in OS/2.  First we "sys-ed" it back to life
and then changed MS-DOS 5.0 for the IBM version (keeping qbasic.exe from
MS-DOS so that it and edit.com would remain functional).  We then
reinstalled OS/2, again in the dual boot mode.  So far there have been
no more boot failures.  Is there some problem with generic MS-DOS and
OS/2?  Or would I have had the same good luck by simply reinstalling OS/2?
I tend to think not since some problems with the DOS windows, experienced
before the change in DOS, disappeared.  One of my colleagues today reported
that some network software which had frequently failed became very reliable
when MS-DOS was replaced by IBM-DOS 5.0--even on non-IBM (Zenith)
hardware.  Our network software is from IBM.  Hmmm.


-- 
David Ebdon
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Eastern Illinois University
cfdwe@eiu.edu
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From: steve@cstat.aztec.co.za (Stephen Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: IS IBM UK STILL IN THE STONE AGE???
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:42:52 GMT
Organization: Compustat (Pty) Ltd

george@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

> After much frustration and strife, I have decided to drop OS/2 and return
> to Win3.1/DOS and await the arrival of Windows NT. A lesson in patience
> which I should have kept earlier!
> 
> Why? Since installing OS/2 I have had constant problems running Windows
> software and lack of decent driver support. Worse, IBM UK do not provide
> a sensible and useful technical support group. Below is a copy of a letter I
> sent IBM UK about various problems I've had running AmiPro under Win-OS/2.
> I must emphasise that I had previously used AmiPro under Microsoft Windows
> 3.0 earlier and had NO problems at all. The only new difference was OS/2.

> p.p.s. I phoned Microsoft yesterday afternoon to ask about Windows NT,
>        and asked for a copy of their white paper on it. Guess what arrived
>        in this morning's post?? Only one guess allowed!

I must say that I would have also been insulted by the letter that you
received.  That being said, I hope you are going to keep us informed
about your experiences trying to run Ami under NT.

The main similarity between Windows and Windows/NT is the name. 
They will have to perform much the same magic that IBM did in order to
run Windows programs under NT.  It is not clear why they should be more
successful than IBM?  The only thing in their favour is that they will
(probably) be able to "thunk" the old Windows GDI calls into the new
32bit GDI interface, and thereby gain a performance advantage over OS/2.

Regards,
Steve Davies

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steve@cstat.aztec.co.za
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From: kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Installation problems continue
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:23:03 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

After solving my last installation (some of my RAM was bad), I'm now having
a new problem with installing OS/2. I can get through the Hard Disk Configuration
but when I get 
to the setup disks (disks 7-18) it freezes -- once on disk 7, another on
disk 9, and another time on disk 14.  It will just be copying the files and 
suddenly will stop. No error message or anything will happen. I've talked to
IBM and the support person was baffled.  He said they'd try to do some research
and would get back to me.

I have the following setup:

1) 386/33 with 4 MB RAM (4 1MB SIMMs)
2) Maxtor 213 MB IDE HD (C:)
3) Plus 105MB Hard Card (D:)
4) 5.25" Floppy Drive (A:)
5) 3.5" Floppy Drive (B:)
6) Paradise VGA Card
7) Microsoft Inplus Mouse Card
8) Microsoft Mouse (set for interrupt 2)
9) SoundBlaster Sound Card (set for IRQ 5)
10) NEC Multisync/4D monitor
11) HP Deskwriter + printer

I'm currently running DOS 5.0 and am attempting to install OS/2 (from 5.25"
disks) as a dual boot on C:.

Any suggestions?

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From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: IBM TCP/IP and RIP protocol.
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:40:36 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <1992Sep4.145122.10496@schbbs.mot.com> X10017@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Philippe Rameau) writes:
>
>     I currently run TCP/IP 1.2  with OS/2 v1.30.1, my PS/2 is connected
>  onto an ethernet 802.3 lan with a router to the internet, as my router
>  provides RIP routing protocol, I would like to share those information
>  with the ROUTED.EXE which as say the manual uses the RIP protocol.
>     Thank you for any help.

Philippe,  You can just start ROUTED at any OS/2 command prompt.  One of
the TCP/IP manuals provides a description of the ROUTED command line options,
including a large number of "-t" which raise the level of debugging messages
which get displayed.

You can also enable the automotic starting of ROUTED (in TCPSTART.CMD) by
runing ICAT, going to the LAN adapter screen and clickin on the box which
says something about management of routing tables.

However, unless your PS/2 is acting as a router, I am not sure that ther
is any benefit to be gained by running ROUTED.  Can anyone else provide more
info on this?

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| Connective Strategies, Inc.           |                      car@btr.com  |
| Mgr. ISDN PRI Connectivity            |         phone:      415-903-2585  |
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From: ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal)
Subject: Problems with CSD for TCPIP 1.2.1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:13:32 GMT

TCPIP 1.2.1 with CSD recently posted to hobbes still has some annoying
problems:
1. Telnet is still a CPU hog, despite claims on the net to the contrary,
2. 2 X Windows from 2 hosts still don't coexist peacefully. Only
    the first one gets keyboard even though the second one is highlighted.
3. Some X applications from the Sun don't paint s ome lines, e.g., 
   clock, dbxtool, and generate the following messages:
     XView warning: xv_rop: can't handle drawables of different depth
     XView warning: xv_rop: xv_rop_internal failed

I am ready in line for next CSD.

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University of Illinois		Phone: (217) 244-3164
1207 W. Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801
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From: Mahoney@emdisle.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Mahoney)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: PMX use a font server ?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 20:26:21 PDT
Organization: The Emerald Isle BBS, Tucson, AZ (602) 749-8638

In a message of <Sep 03 12:14> (Jeff Suttor) writes to All:

 JS>Can PMX be told to use a font server to satisfy font requests?

 JS>RTFMing talks only about 'font path' for PMX & XSET.

 JS>I would like to run x clients on remote machines that use unique fonts
 JS>and don't want to get in the business of copying, comipling, maintaining, 
 JS>etc. application fonts.

   I only load the parts of TCP/IP on the workstation that it needs to get 
started. That includes the three device drivers, cntrl.exe, a setup.cmd file,
and some files in the ETC directory. Everything else is on a LAN accessed 
server, including the remaining TCP/IP executables and all the X11 fonts. As 
long as the user logs onto the LAN before starting TCP/IP PMX doesn't know 
the difference. When PMX starts I set the log path to a local drive, but other 
than that the startup is standard stuff.
  
   The LAN accessed server is made available using OS/2 LAN server/requester. 
If you wanted to put the fonts on an NFS mounted drive you'd have to have a
lot more stuff on your workstation (enough to get NFS up and running and get
the drive mounted), but given that NFS was alive and well before you start 
PMX you should be able to put those same fonts on a NFS accessed drive. The
fonts are pointed to by an environment variable and as long as the drive
and path are valid and the appropriate directory structure is built there 
it ought to work.

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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Problems with CSD for TCPIP 1.2.1
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:22:49 GMT
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh

In article <ignacij.716505212@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu> ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal) writes:
>TCPIP 1.2.1 with CSD recently posted to hobbes still has some annoying
>problems:
>1. Telnet is still a CPU hog, despite claims on the net to the contrary,

Agreed.

>2. 2 X Windows from 2 hosts still don't coexist peacefully. Only
>    the first one gets keyboard even though the second one is highlighted.

This is not the behavior I see.  Did you get the X Windows CSD?

>3. Some X applications from the Sun don't paint s ome lines, e.g., 
>   clock, dbxtool, and generate the following messages:
>     XView warning: xv_rop: can't handle drawables of different depth
>     XView warning: xv_rop: xv_rop_internal failed

The X server needs some updates.  Perhaps X11R5?

John W. Linville



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From: dan@ni.umd.edu (Dan Burns)
Subject: TCPIP 1.2 with Novell ????
Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:54:12 GMT


I am currently running TCP/IP Version 1.2 with the X-server add-in without
too many problems.  I can't however make this work with the Novell
requester.  I have the 1.2.1 / Refresh update from IBM, but we did not order
the X-server with it.  I understand that with the 1.2.1 version, the
requester works, but I can't give up the X either.  Has anyone been able to
get the Novell requester working with TCP/IP 1.2?

Thanks,
Dan
(dan@ni.umd.edu)


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From: mollett@lexmark.com (Vic Mollett)
Subject: Sharing Removeable Media With IBM Lan Server
Summary: how do you share CD ROMs??
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Keywords: sharing media Lan Server
Organization: Lexmark International; Lexington KY
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:54:47 GMT

With IBM Lan Server, how is it possible to share removeable media (e.g. CD ROM)
across the network??  I thought it would be as easy as setting up an alias for
the CD ROM drive, but no one (except for administrators) can see anything but
the root directory without an apply.  Understandably, I don't want to make 
everyone an administrator, but I don't want to have to do an apply everytime
someone changes the CD.  Besides, applies to CD ROMs take a very, very long
time!!  I'm sure there is some way to do this, but I haven't figured it out.
Anybody have any suggestions??

-- 
                                             /\    Vic Mollett
 These opinions are my own and do not       /  \   Lexmark International, Inc.
 necessarily reflect those of my employer.  \  /   mollett@lexmark.com
                                             \/
From: bob@comlab.gatech.edu (Bob Baggerman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Lanmanager and Lantastic
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:54:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

evanc@uuisis.isis.org writes:
>Is it possible to run Lanmanager over Lantastic ARCNet cards?

kslater@sps.pgh.pa.us writes:
>Also, what specific support is forthcoming? I read an e-mail response 
>from Adrian King (VP of Eng @ Artisoft) that stated that Artisoft would 
>only do requester software for OS/2 if and when they perceived the market 
>to be there.

Really the only thing necessary to run LanMan over the Lantastic ARCnet 
cards would be an NDIS driver.  My guess would be, however, that the
chances of that would be slim.  I don't see any incentive for Artisoft
to do it.

For some reason I have it in my head that Lantastic drivers talk to a
NetBIOS stack.  If that is indeed the case and if Lantastic comes up
with a version for OS/2 (the LanMan server is OS/2 based) then there 
might be a prayer to make it work.

Bob
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From: mollett@lexmark.com (Vic Mollett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: LaMail TRAP D
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:22:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lexmark International; Lexington KY
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark


I have been having trouble with LaMail for quite a while now, but thought it
would be corrected when I installed TCP/IP 1.2.1 (which includes LaMail 2.2).
The problem is that when I try to look at a note from certain users, LaMail
gets a TRAP D.  I suspect it is having a little trouble parsing the address as
it is rather long and utilizes several addressing techniques.  Here is what
the header of the note looks like (with names and nodes changed to protect
the innocent):

From @host.com:host1!user1%host2.com@secure.gateway.com  Wed Sep 09 06:50:58 1992
Return-Path: <@host.com:host1!user1%host2.com@secure.gateway.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:25:14 EDT
From: @host.com:host1!user1%host2.com@secure.gateway.com (Person)
Message-Id: <9209082225.AA01963@orig.host.COM>
To: me
Subject: Re: subject


The original From address was 84 characters long if that is of any consequence.
Also, it would appear that it was ESI that triggered the trap:

	  ESI    = 00003fff
	  DSLIM  = 00003fff
	  CS:EIP = 0017:0000a18a

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!


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 necessarily reflect those of my employer.  \  /   mollett@lexmark.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: fhl@milton.u.washington.edu (Dean Pentcheff)
Subject: List of supported Ethernet boards?
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.networking
Reply-To: dean2@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu (Dean Pentcheff) 
Organization: Department of Biology, University of South Carolina, Columbia
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:17:58 GMT

Could some kind soul point me to a list of Ethernet boards that are
supported under IBM's TCP/IP package for OS/2?

Many thanks.

-Dean
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:10:40 -0400 
From: Ke-Wei Ma <km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Peer-to-Peer Networking

   There were several similar messages posted recently but I haven't any
responses so I am asking again.  What does one need to get a simple
peer-to-peer network established, other than two communications cards
and OS/2?  How's about a multi-user (ie 3-8 users) network?

Ke-Wei 
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