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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Thought regarding DS9
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:22:08 GMT
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Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Might DS9 be to TNG what "Assignment Earth" was to TOS?
That is, should DS9 prove a flop, perhaps TNG writers
should *avoid* crossovers and the like to avoid "tainting"
TNG?  Thoughts?

Chris
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:20:03 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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Bruce James Robrert Linley (linley@netcom.com) wrote:
> Possible spoilers for Chain of Command...
 
>
>Sorry but I have to ask, but was anyone else as shocked as I was to see Dr.
>Crusher use her sexuallity to coerce the Farengi into providing transport?

Not at all, especially considering Dr. Crusher's hobby (`acting').  Much
of what she was doing was a `pose'.  Her voice change and posturing
reminded me of her plays, so I'd say that we weren't seeing a *new*
ability of hers, simply her using an existing one to extreme advantage.

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:50:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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[This in reply to the message which asked if Data would have
to serve as a Commander before being promoted to Captain.}
No for a couple of reasons.  One, he has been at Lt. Commander
For a while and they could just skip over Com. [Friend of
mine was a Captain in supply for ten years.  They needed a Colonel
for some reason I don't understand and jumped him over *two*
ranks.  It happens.] Two, the paper work for his last promotion
could be lost. Maybe, already thinks he's a Captain. {I don't think
rthis likely.} Three, you don't need to have the rank of Captain
to command a vessel, you need only be an officer.  [Data could
be given command of a science vessel or some such.]  Finally,
this is fiction so the writers can do whatever they want.  If
they don't have to pay attention to the laws of physics, they certainly
don't have to promote Data through the ranks in order.
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
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From: tchambers@TrentU.CA (panda's bear)
Subject: Chain of Command - This week?
Reply-To: tchambers@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:06:35 GMT

Does anyone know if Chain of Command is really being shown starting this 
week?  That's what I've heard...yet it was listed as being shown in early 
January before...

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From: spectre@nmt.edu (Spectre)
Subject: Re: the last mission
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.195930.25046@newstand.syr.edu> jdsulliv@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jason D Sullivan) writes:
>You are all a bunch of freaks.
>I hate captain kirk
>where did spock go?
>Ohh no
>howdy all, do you think I am a freak?
>I once gave a vulcan neck pinch to my friend.        
>I think the old star trek films were atrocities.
>The new show kicks some ass.
>Yeah right.
>Like I want to see some freak shows try to steer a ship through
>an asteroid field.\
>I like  spock the rest of them are a mess!!!
>He has better ears than the bat child who escaped.
>Be on the lookout.
>I'm just messin with your heads.
>ha ha ha ha.
>how many of you jokers like data better than spock?
>Spock is the ruler of Atlantis, and data is a freak.
>I think Captain Picard is sexy.  I want to tear his 
>uniform off.  ha ha ha 

This sounds like it should be sung to the tume of some old punk
song.  Dub over the "I hate you" song on the bus in TVH.

[drivel deleted]

>
>				FREAKMAN JACKSON
>				the madd professor.



-- 
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From: dekock@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Nick de Kock)
Subject: Probable FAQ: The original Star Trek episodes on video
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:26:00 GMT

I used to be quite a Star Trek fan and lately I've been feeling a bit
nostalgic and would like to see some of the classic episodes again.

Now I used to have some of the shows on Beta cassettes but these have
long since disappeared. Where can I buy the original shows on video
in VHS/PAL format? 

PS There are no ST reruns in this country.

-- 
Nick de Kock, High Voltage Group            
Electrical Engineering, Wits University                 
Johannesburg, South Africa - dekock@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za
From: jcharpak@acs.bu.edu (Joseph Charpak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Gaining momentum from shuttlebay
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:04:31 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <18471@mindlink.bc.ca> David_Woodsworth@mindlink.bc.ca (David Woodsworth) writes:
>> Christopher Jon Petit writes:
>>
>>   Isn't the E. always in a weak warp field (because of the Impulse
>> Engines---
>> they generate a non-propulsive one to reduce the mass of the ship.  So,
>> maybe
>> the reduced mass can be pushed easier---but yes, it does seem really silly
>> that a burst of air can move the E. that quickly.
>
>No, it seems reasonable to me.  Remember that during the first US space walk
>(many years ago) Ed White used a small hand held gun to move around in.  Just
>a quick burst of air was enough to get his mass moving.
>
>The main shuttle bay is supposed to be about the size of a football field.
>Depressurizing it (in my opinion) could move the ship just enough to avoid
>the collision.

Also, it could be a factor of angles and the strength of the tractor/
repulsor beam.  The beam obviously couldn't be working at full strength
since all main systems were down.  Maybe, since all the Big E had to 
do was move a little out of the path of the Bozman, the decrompression
scheme worked while the tractor beam did not.  Or it could be that since
Frakes was directing the episode, he wanted his character's idea to work
:)
Joe.

No .sig so shoot me (red alert...shields up)
Darnit Jim, I'm a doctor not an clown...What?....Oh, I'm that too.
From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Einstein and Warp Speed
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:16:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:
<Chris Croughton (chris@keris.demon.co.uk) wrote:
<: In article <27937@optima.cs.arizona.edu> william@cs.arizona.edu writes:
<: 
<: >So how then does FTL speed travel imply time travel, and thus causality
<: >problems? I just don't see it.
<: 
<: William, you're not the only one!  People have been trying to convince
<: me of this for *months*, and I still don't get it.
<
<The main point behind the FTL == backwards in time idea is Einsteinian
<relativity.  Simply put, velocities greater than c produce imaginary
<values for the various relativistic transformations.  The assumption is
<that imaginary distances/times/wavelengths etc. imply backwards travel
<through time.
<
<Chris's description refers to another problem that FTL and Einstein have,
<namely causality.  The observer at the 'B' star in the example sees the
<effect (the arrival) before the cause (thge departure).  However, this
<depends on the frame of reference, and special relativity provides enough
<mathematical examples of apparent causality violation for merely high
<sub-luminal velocities, so the 'light-cone' argument for FTL denying
<causality is not valid.

I'm not sure what you are saying in this last part, but as long as FTL 
does not exist, causality will not be violated by relativity.  If you think
otherwise, please give me an example.  FTL travel, however, does create
causality violation unless the FTL travel always involves one particular
special frame of reference, period, _period_, PERIOD.

<
<Basically, as Einsteinian mechanics have overtaken and subsumed Newtonian
<mechanics, one must simply accept the assumption that Zephram Cochrane
<discoveried a set of Subspace theories such that relativity holds for
<sublight velocities, yet allow for FTL travel forward in time.  As a
<mathematical example, I would suggest considering the Quaternary group of
<complex operators, which relate to the complex numbers roughly as the
<complex numbers do to the real numbers.  Thus, it would be conceivable for
<FTL values to be solved as imaginary numbers in one sense, but real values
<in another, where Einstein would be a Complex projection of the valid
<Quaternary operators.  (I know, I know... all technobabble.  But I still
<think it's possible to just find a supertheory that == Relativity for
<sublight values).
<


The only way Cochrane could change the fact that FTL travel creates 
causality violations (without having a special frame of reference) is if
he could find a way to change the effects of relativity on every observer
everywhere in the universe (again, PERIOD).


-Jay
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From: forman@cs.washington.edu (George Forman)
Subject: Re: How to Kill a Borg; Transporter= terrible weapon
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:35:54 GMT
Expires: 1-1-92

Since our guys were able to beam on and off their ship, then
you could just beam all of their brains out into space (or energy).

You could spend awhile locking on to all their brains, then 
beam them out together.   Or beam out their power sources.
Or could you beam some anti-matter into their living room?
(or anti-beam the anti-matter.)

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From: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet)
Subject: Handicapped on TNG
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:05:49 GMT


	Having just seen the TNG episode "Too Short a Season" it seems
that people do indeed need "wheelchairs" in TNG, they don't seem to have
wheels, rather they hum and float, but they do exist. The Enterprise
even seems to handle them well except they didn't show Jameson moving
around much in it to really tell for sure. The chair sure seemed nice
though except it was very bulky. 

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From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: More on frienship Re: Data
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:06:20 GMT
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In article <102368@netnews.upenn.edu> jjaslow@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Jason (Jazzie) Jaslow) writes:
>From: jjaslow@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Jason (Jazzie) Jaslow)
>Subject: Re: Data
>Date: 16 Dec 92 21:26:27 GMT
>In article <SVT=R7_@engin.umich.edu> picard@engin.umich.edu (Ronald V Picard) writes:
>>I'm preparing a paper and would like to use Data as an example.
>>Has anyone compiled what we know about him technically?  We've 
>>gotten snippits here and there, but I've never kept track.  I'm
>>looking for his total memory capacity, access speed, any info on
>>how he thinks...
>>
>>Also, does anyone have his exact definition of friendship (the
>>one Troi repeated later)?  It was something like your visual 
>>input patterns are imprinted on my visual system...your actions
>>can be anticipated, and even missed when absent.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Ron Picard
>
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Also data has said thnig sto the effect:

	Geordi treated me no differently than anyone else and he also 
commented on how Geordi accepted him for what he was.

can't remember the name of the episode but it is the one where Geordi and Ro 
become phased and everyone thinks that they are dead. Nasty Romulans, can 
not stand them.

If I spell character names incorrectly, tough. If it ticks you off flame me. 
I wear a fyer pruf sute n-e-weighs.....

the Mithman
.....I did not say this.....I am not here.....
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Subject: Re: Tech Manuals 2 
Distribution: world
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:00:21 +0000


In article <1992Dec9.000248.21348@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
            mpui3@syma.sussex.ac.uk writes:

>                Does anyone know wether any of the Tech Manuals (TOS and
>TNG ) are available in England ?
>        And if so what do I ask the bookshop to order.

Call "At The Sign Of The Dragon" bookshop on 081-876-3855 - they usually
have them in stock, and do mail order.  Just ask for the Technical
Manuals for TOS and TNG, they'll know what you mean.

Or if you're in London anytime, Forbidden Planet on Oxford Street may
have them.

>        Also while we're on the subject is The Star Fleet guide to
>Spaceflight (or is it History ?)still available ?

The ST Spaceflight Chronology is, as far as I know, out of print, and
there are no plans to reprint it.  I have a copy, but it's *mine*, and
you can't have it!

TNG Tech. Manual is ISBN 0-671-70427-3 (Pocket Books 1991, Rick
Sternbach and Michael Okuda)

ST Spaceflight Chronology, ISBN 0-7088-1740-8 (Pocket Books 1979, Stan
and Fred Goldstein, artist Rick Sternbach)

Sorry, I don't have the TOS Tech. Man. to hand...

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From: pksuk@mothra.syr.EDU (Peter K. Suk)
Subject: Re: New Mailing List (TIME TRAVEL)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:20:56 EST

In article <71500@cup.portal.com> Tazzie@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak) writes:
>I AM HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THE NEW "Time Travel" Mailing List
>
>
>This list is for discussing the implications of time-travel, its
>ramifications, possibilities, etc. from both a sci-fi standpoint,
>and a scientific standpoint.  This is for all science and science fiction
>fans.  To join the mailing list, send email to:
>
>
>SERVER@Momad.LI.NY.US
>
>The first line of your e-mail should read:
>
>SUBSCRIBE Time-Travel
>
>
>
>It's that simple!   Join today!
>
>
>--Taz

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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: whimpy photon torps
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:16:50 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Jay Windley (jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu) wrote:
: 
: I believe someone computed the yield of a TNG torpedo as 64 megatons,
: which is absolutely huge.  However, this is a theoretical yield based
: solely on the amounts of reactants.

On the contrary, that would be a really small yield for a photorp.  1kg
anti-matter + 1kg matter == 43 MT explosion.  And those torps look like
they can hold considerably more than 2kg.

CJW

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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: Re: Holodecks
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:33:38 GMT

In article <_-n2p9n@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth04.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:
>John_Bafford%Laughing_Dragon@uu0570.foggybottom.com writes:
>
>>How can someone get hurt within the holodecks? I thought it was all holograms
>>and stuff.
>
> Because any objects that might be touched/felt are made solid so that the
>illusion of reality is complete.  Also, if you ask to do something really
>straining (e.g. go spinning around in a tornado), the forces you experience
>will be simulated, but you can get bruises from any program---remember the
>part in the TNG episode where the crew loses its memory where a girl got a
>sprained ankle from doing some cloud diving?
>
>
My guess is that the H-deck also generates small force fields to act as
the physical areas the person comes in contact with. It can generate
different fields of intensity to simulate water (Wesley falls in during
season 1 {I think}), mud baths (Lwaxana & Alexander), and the 1701's
bridge chairs (Relics).

Since the Holodeck works with Visual Holograms coupled with force field
generation and possibly a little kick from the replicators and
transporters, my Fooble has asked a question. Please do not flame either
of us on the material of the question, it is asked in all seriousness. If
a woman were to be involved in sexual relations while on the H-deck with a
Hologram(ic person). Everything would be reproduced. Since the man's
ejaculation can cause the fertilization of the egg. Would this occur?
Would the egg stay fertile if the crewperson left the H-deck?

We've just looking for general discussion, if the question seems strange
or misplaced, just let the thread die here and don't worry.

Thanx
	Greg
--
Fingering a plan tells you so much about a person!
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From: picard@engin.umich.edu (Ronald V Picard)
Subject: Data
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 07:15:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

I'm preparing a paper and would like to use Data as an example.
Has anyone compiled what we know about him technically?  We've 
gotten snippits here and there, but I've never kept track.  I'm
looking for his total memory capacity, access speed, any info on
how he thinks...

Also, does anyone have his exact definition of friendship (the
one Troi repeated later)?  It was something like your visual 
input patterns are imprinted on my visual system...your actions
can be anticipated, and even missed when absent.

Thanks in advance,
Ron Picard
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Einstein and Warp Speed
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:31:07 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Chris Croughton (chris@keris.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <27937@optima.cs.arizona.edu> william@cs.arizona.edu writes:
: 
: >So how then does FTL speed travel imply time travel, and thus causality
: >problems? I just don't see it.
: 
: William, you're not the only one!  People have been trying to convince
: me of this for *months*, and I still don't get it.

The main point behind the FTL == backwards in time idea is Einsteinian
relativity.  Simply put, velocities greater than c produce imaginary
values for the various relativistic transformations.  The assumption is
that imaginary distances/times/wavelengths etc. imply backwards travel
through time.

Chris's description refers to another problem that FTL and Einstein have,
namely causality.  The observer at the 'B' star in the example sees the
effect (the arrival) before the cause (thge departure).  However, this
depends on the frame of reference, and special relativity provides enough
mathematical examples of apparent causality violation for merely high
sub-luminal velocities, so the 'light-cone' argument for FTL denying
causality is not valid.

Basically, as Einsteinian mechanics have overtaken and subsumed Newtonian
mechanics, one must simply accept the assumption that Zephram Cochrane
discoveried a set of Subspace theories such that relativity holds for
sublight velocities, yet allow for FTL travel forward in time.  As a
mathematical example, I would suggest considering the Quaternary group of
complex operators, which relate to the complex numbers roughly as the
complex numbers do to the real numbers.  Thus, it would be conceivable for
FTL values to be solved as imaginary numbers in one sense, but real values
in another, where Einstein would be a Complex projection of the valid
Quaternary operators.  (I know, I know... all technobabble.  But I still
think it's possible to just find a supertheory that == Relativity for
sublight values).

YMMV.

CJW


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From: JADolan@cen.ex.ac.uk (J.A.Dolan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: whimpy photon torps
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:36:35 GMT
Organization: University of Exeter, UK.

There's also the bit in 'Yesterday's Enterprise, where a Klingon
cruiser takes 6 torps simultaneously on it's front shield, and only
gets 'moderate damage to it's front shield'.. Too wimpy by half.
John D.
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)