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From: jeff@MicroUnity.com (Jeff 'Giga-hurts' Kaskey)
Subject: Re: Harley Sportbike? 
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.194310.17852@rtsg.mot.com>, declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep12.023822.14164@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
|> >Harley Sportbike:
|> >
|> >Here's a couple of reasons why it won't happen:
|> >
|> >Harley is a business first, and has been playing it conservative
|> >lately ...
|> >
|> >The sportbike market is *brutal*.  

|> Agreed, the sportbike market is *brutal*. But at the low-end, mucho 
|> profits can be had, 
|> >
|> >Sport tourers, however, have a much longer design lifespan and a
|> >different kind of buyer...

|> Yes, a good FJ1200 or ST1100 or concours killer would be great!

|> >Harley, just give me a *little* more to work with!
 
|> Well, if ya got the bux, there's always Buell...:-)

And thereby hangs a tale...  The "What Should HD Do?" question has been
around for quite a while in regard to opening new markets without 
loosing its prime market.  It seems to humble me, the answer already
exists, in the form of Buell.  Buell has already demonstrated the ability
to turn a (small) profit with nearly zero advertising and minimal resources.
Imagine the posibilities if they had some added behind the scenes muscle from
HD.  

The car manufacturers have done this for years, first the U.S. makers and now
the Japanese - few people buy a "GM" car, they buy one from Pontiac, Buick,
Cadillac or Saturn.  GM looks like 4 different players in the market, getting
four parts of market share, but keeping each division somewhat insulated from
the others. Now there's Acura and Lexus competing with, and sharing market
with Honda and Toyota (who makes Lexus?).

If Harley were to fund Buell as a nearly autonomous business unit, they (HD) 
could do all the Sport / Sport-tour development they wanted, market it 
through Buell, and never taint the HD image if something goes awry (while
protecting Buell from same with HD capital).

And then Buell should not be directed at the low end market, but allowed
to go farther and faster in the direction it's headed.  They would seem
to be this country`s best bet for a commercial Ducati-killing true sport
bike, and HD would provide them the capital to compete in that market.  Yes,
it's a brual market, but I don't see any reason why an American company
shouldn't be able to compete effectively.

Who knows, then maybe HD could spin out a low-end, or dirt-bike company...

tfk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jeff@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: ClickTech
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:45:01 GMT

In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) spews:
>
>  [blather...]
>
>I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it
>        ^^^^^^
ahhh... shouldn't that be... "Ducatie"
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: U.S. Electra Glide Sport pricing ...?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:58:02 GMT
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep12.174838.18373@news.csd.sgi.com> woofy@sgi.com (Wolfchild) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.185613.4878@bnr.ca> mdoug@bnr.ca (Doug MacLean) writes:
>>     Does anyone know the U.S. price of a '93 Electra Glide Sport (Red)?
>>- Doug from the Great White North.
>Sorry Doug.  Apparently the Electra Glide Sport didn't go over too well in '92
>so it's not being offered in '93.  Too bad-it would have been my next choice
>after the Springer :-(.

	I think you've got the FXRT, the Low Rider Sport Glide mixed
up with the FLHS, the Electra Glide Sport. Two very different
machines.  Both of which was right up there as my Sportster's
replacement. Guess now it's down to the Electra Glide Sport 8-(....
Damn. The only reason I didn't buy the FXRT outright (besides a few
$thousands short) was that the built-in radio would have made it a
Prime NYC Vandal(tm), and I couldn't find anyone who could put in a
Bensi Box. I really liked the package the FXRT presented......

>Andy

Tony Wang

DoD#0122					This sig under construction
AMA#450147				
					
twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:01:20 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com's message of 9 Sep 92 16:59:49 GMT

>>>>> On 9 Sep 92 16:59:49 GMT, cvr@dweezil.westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen) said:
Chris> To adjust the valves...
(gain access and)
Chris> Loosen or tighten the tappet screw until the pushrod spins freely, but
Chris> not enough so that there's any up and down travel.

You don't mention anything about engine temperature.  You are going to
get very different results doing this on a warm vs. a cold motor.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:35:57 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes: (in part)
  
> Personally, I can't see why anyone would go out and blow >$12K on a new 
> Harley unless they just want a stock bike. For that kind of money I 
> could go out and buy a clean Shovel, do up the custom touches properly, 
> and build a motor that would make a stock Evo look like a Vespa 125.

Yea, the new Harleys are just appliances.  We have entered that age
where there are the users and builders and little inbetween.  Bolting
on performance kits is not building.  It is betweening.  But that's
about all the soul or energy many have today.  So be it.  I look forward
to all those Evos up for sale when the rage wears off.  When we shall
ride again.




 
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:20:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <6164@transfer.stratus.com>, scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com
(Scott Colbath) wrote:
> 
>In article <1870c3INNi4b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 
> (Joseph Hack) writes:
> [ a bunch of mostly silly rejoinders regarding the noise of HD motos ]
> 
> You are asking for a flame so here you go.....................
> GET OFF THIS GROUP ASSHOLE. LEARN TO SPELL (harlies?)
> 
> **********************************************************
> Scott Colbath
> Stratus Computer
> Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
> Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
> **********************************************************

Another intelligent and considerate response from a member of
the Harley-Davidson Culture.

The bikes are just machines, the people are frequently something
far worse. Sigh.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
========
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdeignan@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Harley Dealer T-Shirts
Organization: Clark University
Date: 5 SEP 92 02:17:54 GMT

Anyone want to trade Harley Dealer T-Shirts?  My Harley dealer is
in central Massachusetts and has a great T-shirt selection!  Just
a thought ... let me know.  (Their T-shirt features a map of
Massachusetts with a 1700 era colonist riding a Harley through
the map.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:53:06 GMT

In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>Ken Dykes writes:
>>please do not clutter a motorcycle newsgroup with your sexual envy.
>>
>>oh, Freenet... must be a Fidonet escapee. that explains your sexual
>>frustration, however this is a motorcycle newsgroup. take it elsewhere.
>
>Gee, and I thought that maybe that way the way you Harlie types
>liked to talk to each other.   If you want to talk about motorcycles,
>at least talk about real motorcycles.  ie, something that goes over
>55 mph, burns more gas than oil, doesn't take 15 minutes to get
>started, and doesn't make you go deaf after riding for a few days.

	Dum, dee doo.  My bike (a H-A-R-L-E-Y, can you say "Harley?"  Very
good...) has not problem pulling the ton, even with a slipping clutch.  My bike
does not require addition of oil between oil and filter changes.  I've been
riding my bike for over a year and I can still hear high frequencies that
others cannot hear.  Doesn't usually take 15 minutes to start, but sometimes...

>I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it
>1st gear all the way.  It runs better, looks better, sounds 
>better, I could go on, but I don't want to ruin your day
>all at once.

	If you are so disinterested in Harley-Davidsons, then why are you
reading/posting to this newsgroup?  Some juvenile craving for attention, maybe?

	BTW, your Ducati will outrun any STOCK Harley.  There are some custom
jobs tooling around that will ROAST your ass.  Don't doubt it for a second.
This is not a put-down of your bike.  I personally crave an 888 for my stable.
It'll be awhile, though.

>And if you really want to talk about sexual frustration, look at
>ANY Harlie rider.  Its really weird, but most of them are
>balding and fat, and unusually ugly.  Your typical fat and dumb
>biker, if you will.  And when a Harlie rider does manage to land 
>a female type, they are usually the skankiest looking things
>you ever did see.  Some of the ugliest women I have ever had
>the misfortune to set my eyes on were riding on the back of
>a Harlie.
>
>As far as chicks on the backs of real bikes, well, some of them look
>pretty good.  Especially all the ones around campus here that
>want to ride on my Duc.  Yeah, I sure am sexually frustrated!
>NOT! :-)

	No, you're just "intellectually challenged."  Now please quit drooling
in this group.

Sincerely,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:05:35 GMT

In article <sefCZWm0hXuaMsgFZR@andrew.cmu.edu> "Shirl G. Grant" <sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Aren't bike gas caps vented (or one of the 2 for fat bobs)?  I thought
>this was the major difference between car and bike gas caps.

The gas cap in my car is vented.  It's a '72 ricemobile, though, and may
not be typical.
--scott
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD)
Subject: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:09:36 GMT

How do you adjust the valves on a '83 (or is it '82) 1000ccm Panhead?
Would be happy if somebody could tell.

What's the "noise" limit (exhaust) for vehicles (read:bikes) in USA?
In Norway it's 88dB. Don't ask how we managed to get our Sportster through, 
but we did it (with a lot of shit in the exhaust pipes!).

                  "Fresh Harley fan" 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.053832.1108@morrow.stanford.edu>, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:

|> >and I can 
|> >get most of the little stuff at the local auto parts store.
|> 
|> The sort of "little stuff" you can get for a Harley
|> at an auto parts store, you can get for a Ducati at
|> an auto parts store that handles parts for metric autos
|> (like Geos or Escorts).

	No, its not the same. It sounds like it should be, but its not.

	I've got 3 vehicles: a '50 Chevy truck, my HD and a VW bug. The
bug, in spite of the fact that they made 17 million of them, is the most
difficult to get parts for, and the truck is the easiest, in spite of its
age. It has to do with the design decisions that were made when they built
the thing: should they use standard fittings on the oil lines, or a special
3 way adapter that solves the problem in a trick way? I can get almost
everything that I need for my truck *in stock* at a good auto parts store,
excepting body parts. I can get things like brake parts, oil lines, sensors
and switches for the HD at a good hardware store. Bearings, bushings and 
their ilk come from Bearings Inc. There is very little custom hardware
on the machine, its all standard stuff.

	Of course, this is not a new machine, either, and maybe an Evo
is different. 


-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:23:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.222730.1164@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>
>	NOT the way it goes, Corun.  What in the world makes you think
>	that bz206 has doen anything to warrant his account being deleted?
>	Do you have some facist bent? LEGAL BATTLE?  Give us a break.
>	Show me the terms, asshole.
>
> john

I think you should read up on your FCC regulations regarding the transmission
of abusive language over FCC regulated media. Usenet is one of those. I've
been on other forums where this sort of thing takes place, and there are
precedents for accounts being deleted for the kinds of abusive things this
fellow has said in a public forum. This is a forum to discuss Harleys, not
throw around abusive comments, and this goes for yours. No, I'm not a fascist,
but the precedents are there. I suggest you go look them up, and until then
keep your own abusive remarks to yourself.

Corun


-- 
===========================================================================
    Corun MacAnndra     |      But what if this hadn't been
  Dark Horde by birth   |        a rhetorical question?
    Moritu by choice    |                            C. Nelson
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:27:23 GMT

>	Here's two challenges for you and your Ducati:
>
>	1) A cross-continent ride without valve maintenance.
>	   Seems some of these Ducs require expert, expensive
>	   special-tools valve maintenance very 2,600 miles.

Modern Ducati road bikes (907ie, for example) require that
the valves be checked fairly frequently.  The tools
required are a feeler guage, an Allen wrench to take off
the valve covers, and a screwdriver to take off the
fairing.

Ownwers report that valves typically stay in adjustment for
10,000 miles or more.  The checking interval is short
because the consequences of misadjustment on a desmo are
severe.

If the valves do have to be adjusted, all that's neededa
are shims of the correct sizes.  A fanatical rider could
carry several sizes of shims.  Another approach would be to
take some thick shim blanks, which can be ground to size in
any gas station that has valve grinding tools.

Some Ducati models have ordinary screw-type valve adjusters
and have no exceptional requirements for valve
maintenance.


To answer the original question, Harleys have loud pipes
because their owners don't want to ride bikes with the
large muffler cans that would be needed to keep them quiet
and still provide good power.  Harley flat track bikes make
over 90 HP from 45" engines and are still considerably
quieter than many street bikes.  They have great big
mufflers.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: internal prejudice
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:11:14 GMT

--

In article <1992Sep10.171919.7951@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>,
loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) writes:
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|>From: loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Subject: internal prejudice
|>Message-ID: <1992Sep10.171919.7951@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
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|>
|>	I've caught up on all the Harley posts.  And I've noticed a curious
|>"tone" in the comments of some hard-core (from all appearances) HD types.
|>There seems to be some bias against the Evo series  and in favour of the
|>older
|>classic xxxxx-head machines (xxxxx is "shovel, pan, bucket, bottle,
|>spoon"...  anything that can hold oil, I guess).
|>
|>	Besides the fact that the Evos are often the prize of poser,
|>wannabe Yuppie bikers, what is the prejudice?  A classic is a classic; 
|>some people make a passion out of collecting antiques.  Some don't.  But
|>the implication seems to be that Evos are... not quite as Harley as the
|>rest.
|>
|>	My imagination or am I missing something?
|>
|>---                            _    ___
|>'gards,                        \\  / ___\
|>                                \\(=/___   
|>Loki Jorgenson                   \/ ___/         node: 
|>loki@Physics.McGill.CA
|>Keeper of the Reviews (KotR)     / /             ftp:	ftp.Physics.McGill.CA
|>Physics, McGill University      / // \           fax:   (514) 398-6526
|>Montreal Quebec CANADA         / / \  \          phone: (514) 398-7027
|>                              / /   \  \
|>			     (o/     \__)
|>                    -*  Mechanically  misanthropic  *-
|>

I guess you could put me into this camp.

It's not so much we have anything against Evos, it's that the Evo people
think HD's made before 1984 are all junk. I've gotten lots of mail concerning
this topic. I am an admitted shovelhead fanatic who believes that the Evolution
is not the Solution. 

All AMF Harleys haven't fallen apart and been taken to the scrap heap.
All AMF Harleys did not have poor quality.
The Evo motor has made many compromises in its design for manufacturing.

These are facts.  Opinion follows.

For bolt on performance, you can't beat the Evo motor. Once you start doing 
head work, big cams and maybe even a stroker kit, they just don't perform
as well as a shovel done up the same way. The cases aren't as strong, either.
If you want big performance you're much better off working up a shovel
motor than an Evo. 

That's my $.02

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:43:12 GMT

--

I saw an interesting sight this past weekend, a 98" Evo with the top of
the case torn completely off. The jugs were still attached to the case
deck. The guy overrevved 1st gear and dumped it into second. The
shop this appeared in had seen three of them break the same way.

If you're planning on going big bore with your Evo, consider a set of
high quality aftermarket cases.

Shovelhead cases have a lot more meat in 'em.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:09:26 GMT

--
In article <1992Sep15.142229.22670@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com
(Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
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|>From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
|>Subject: Re: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
|>Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
|>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:22:29 GMT
|>Message-ID: <1992Sep15.142229.22670@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
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|>In article <BuL79B.4xE@rice.edu>, garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
|>writes:
|>> Personally, I can't see why anyone would go out and blow >$12K on a new 
|>> Harley unless they just want a stock bike. For that kind of money I 
|>> could go out and buy a clean Shovel, do up the custom touches properly, 
|>> and build a motor that would make a stock Evo look like a Vespa 125.
|>
|>All of the HD drag racers use Evo motors for some specific reason.  I've
|>read in Hot Bike that Evo motors give up more ponies easier than Shovels
|>and last longer also.  Nothing wrong with Shovels though, anyone have a
|>clean 78-79 Super Glide they want to sell for $4000??
|>
|>- Roid
|>

NOT! Plenty of HD drag racers, fuel, gas, whatever, run shovels. Plenty of
'em. Check the record books.

CdH
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Summary: invasion by the censorship patrol
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:44:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.231452.21183@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>A whole bunch of unnecessary crap that I've deleted.
>
>Since this guy can easily be located at Case Western Reserve in Cleveland,
>OH where he's obviously a (young) student, it should be relatively easy for
>the moderator of this newsgroup to contact the Sysop at CWRU and have his
>account deleted.

For what?  Annoying you?  Isn't that a little harsh?  Last I heard,
this country still had something about freedom of speech in the
constitution, and in the set of rules and conventions that the Net
operates under.

Sure, he's a dick.  So put him in your KILL file, and he disappears.

> Otherwise CWRU could find itself in the middle of a legal
>battle they really don't want to be in.

What would you have him charged with?  Malicious whining?
Stupidity with intent to annoy?




Ob. Harley:  I've heard rumors of a 4-valve harley.  Does
anyone know anything?  I mean a factory bike, not aftermarket heas.

Also, the Rikuo was a 750cc flathead, with cases that look
like a panhead's.  It was made up until the early 60s, and
was mostly used as a police bike in japan.
--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.