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From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Tights- Wheeeeeee! (long)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:37:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.150322.46299@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> whitehea@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lady in Red) writes:
>Danskins:  First of all, they are $15 a pair. Second, they are lycra
>and nylon and they itch in a nasty way(and in a nasty place too).
>
Not everyone has this problem with lycra.  Lycra is a very good material
for dancewear - the stretchiness provides good support and warmth.  

I have lots of Danskin tights.   They're a good heavy weight and they
last forever and come in nice colors.  (I buy them at one of the local
hosiery stores, like Parklane, that sells primarily dance stuff.)  

I have no great desire to wear them other than for dancing, but I have no
great desire to wear tights in general other than for dancing.  On my
sporadic trips to places with seasons, I have expressed a longing for some
nice warm ribbed wool tights, but the thought passes as soon as I get back
to L.A.

Hue makes queen size cotton tights but they may not be big enough to fit
some of the women who read this group.  I would venture to guess that they
work if you're a size 22 or under (they fit me) but I doubt they'd fit 
someone very much bigger than me.


Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Tights  was  Re: hello there
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:36:09 GMT

In article <C0MD23.HFB@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:

(discussion of Lane Bryant stores and their varying levels of quality)

I agree about the Lane Bryant chain -- they certainly are variable.  The
ones around here (Boston suburbs) aren't among the best, I don't think.
Out in northern Illinois, where we visit every year at the holidays,
the LB's are generally somewhat better in terms of selection, service,
and general attitude.  The Burlington, Mass. one that is nearest to me
here is often disappointing, but being a rather captive audience I do
keep going back.  I've recently found a very nice skirt there as well
as a lot of comfortable, easy-care turtlenecks, on sale nice and cheap!
The skirt's a long, slightly flared one with a print on black -- it's
not Dress For Success quality but fortunately where I work most people
don't dress up that much -- the skirt and the turtlenecks are quite 
acceptable.

But I've also been to LB in recent months looking for plain black
half slips, only to be told that such utilitarian items have been
phased out in favor of lacy teddies.  I'm delighted to see that we
of the larger-size persuasion can get sexy skivvies, but I still need
the plain stuff for everyday!

And then there is the tights problem...

>
>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>
>Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
>that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).
>
>Marty
>

We had a thread going before Christmas about the tights shortage.  LB has
definitely changed their tights supplier -- this year's batch are nothing
more than slightly thick opaque panty hose.  And they have the nerve to
charge the same price for the things!  I'm still using last year's warm,
comfortable ones -- I have them in black, blue, green, navy, and maroon.
Every color they had, in fact! :-)  Except they've all got holes in the
toes finally.  Since I'm not about to spend $9, or even $6 (they're
currently on sale) for glorified nylons, I'm seriously contemplating
repairing the holes.  By the time I get around to that, of course, it'll
be summer.

So if anyone can locate a tights source, it will be most appreciated!
I didn't know the LB ones were not only thinner but smaller as well,
since I didn't buy them or try them.  But it figures.  Oh, at LB this
last weekend there were actually some thicker tights -- in a really
atrocious industrial-strength grey.  If I want leggings that look like
that I'll just wear long underwear!

Linda
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Sewing
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:00:35 GMT

ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert) writes:

>Well, I finally got a sewing machine (for Yule) and have decided not to
>be at the mercy of the big & tall stores (fashion and price wise).  Does
>anyone out there know of any sources for patterns for large men?  The
>catalogs I have seen at fabric stores (mcCalls and Simplicity) usually
>only have patterns going up to 48!  Any help in this matter would be
>greatly appreciated!
>  Has anyone else gone this route? MorF?  Thanks again for any responses
>in advance!

Well, I accidentally replied to Teddy privately, but I wanted to say here on 
the board that he's not alone! I got a new machine over the holiday too, and
am also looking for tips, patterns (female, male, and either), pitfall 
warnings, and ideas on how and where to begin. Anybody able to help, and 
anybody else out there an enthusiastic learner? :->

Marty



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To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

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From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hello there
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:32:19 GMT
Organization: Coordinating Centers For Biometric Research, University of Minnesota

In article <75.462.uupcb@ehbbs.gwinnett.com> leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton)  writes:
>
>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).
>
Now the view from the other side . . .  :-)

I just started working part-time at a Lane Bryant over X-mas, and
will probably keep the job just for the discount.  I can assure you,
that at *my* store, customer service is very good. :-), but LB
sales associates are *not* paid by any sort of commission, just
at flat, very low, salary.

(Oh, and by the way, I'm a size 26/28 saleswoman, and proud of it!)

I've learned quite a few interesting things about the store since
I started working there.  Lane Bryant is now owned by the Limited,
which also owns Limited stores (duh), Lerners, and Victoria's Secret.
When the Limited took over LB, it wanted to give it a "hipper" image
which would appeal to younger buyers and "borderline" buyers, e.g.,
the 14/16s who could conceivably find clothes at "non-specialty"
stores.  Hence the (very) casual clothes, predominance of stirrups,
etc.  AND, hence the lack of large size models in their advertisements,
in-store posters, etc.  That was one of the first questions I asked
when I started working there . . . "Why are all the models size 8s?
If that?"  Because, with true marketing genius, LB doesn't want
to be seen as a "fat store".  Bright, huh.  Again, its that teen/young
adult and 14/16 market they don't want to scare off.  And it seems
to be working.  LB consistently has the highest profit of all the
Limited holdings.

BTW, I agree with you about the tights.  I HATE these new things.
The reason for the difference is they got a new manufacturer, and
decided to concentrate on "fashion pattern" tights instead of the
good old comfortable, sturdy, long-lasting ones.

One quick story - during the month of December (and those of you who
work retail know how hellish that month can be), every week we would
get gifts from the home office - a tin of cookies to "give us energy",
a 5 lb bag os M & Ms to "charge us up", Hershey's Kisses, chocolate
Santas . . . all of us at the store (and we're all large), were
amused by what we saw as a blatant attempt to keep us wearing Lane
Bryant sizes.  One woman decided that if we were getting all of this
candy, the sales associates over at Victoria's Secret must be getting
rice cakes or Slimfast.

Oh well, maybe you had to be there.   :-)

Jill
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From: cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher)
Subject: Re: hello there
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:22:38 GMT

leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) writes:

>I just got my first message packet from this conference.  I just wanted
>to say hello to everyone and wish you a happy new year.

>I have been overweight all of my life, and now at the ripe old age of 30
>I think I'm finally able say the word "fat" without cringing.  I was
>harrassed and badgered and prodded my whole life long to quite being
>such a slob and just DO it - lose that weight and everything will be
>hunky dorey.  My dad's idea of motivation was the statement (made to me
>when I was 14) "You know, you're about as sexy as a bag of dirty
>laundry."  Thanks.  Sure made my day.

>However!  I am now married to a man who loves me (proves it every day!)
>and was actually worried last year when I started going to Weight
>Watchers when pressured to do so by a co-worker.  He just didn't want me
>to set myself up for a fall (which, of course, I did anyway).  (P.S. -
>Joe is the person who convinced me that sexy lingerie wasn't just for
>size sixes.  Whee!)

>If anyone of the female persuasion ever comes down to the Atlanta area,
>there's a great chain of stores here called Catherine's.  I get all of
>my suits there.  And (for "nice" clothes) they're reasonably priced.

>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).

>Looking forward to chatting with all of you...

>Leigh
>---
> . SLMR 2.1a . Broken cookies have no calories.
 
In defense of Lane Bryant... we have them here in Cali, and I love them. 
(My mother lives in Atlanta, perhaps I should have her check out the LB
there.) I am 25 and work in the theatre, so I kinda live in stirrup
pants or leggings... so that, I like. But, also... our LB's here have
wonderful skirts, blouses, dresses, and casual shirts and pants. PLUS
lingerie! My one complain with them is this though... the stockings. 
I cant find stockings there that fit. (They used to have some, but
the must have changed manufacturer's because the same size doesnt fit 
anymore, when I still wear the same size pant. Not even the largest
size pant they sell... you would think that they would sell stockings that
would fit up to the largest size pant... weird.)  

Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)

-diana
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From: lwebb@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Lynn Webb [Auntie Lynn, to you])
Subject: Re: Tights 
Summary: more resources
Keywords: tights, mail order, Danskin Plus
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:23:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.153609.26853@linus.mitre.org>, lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
> In article <C0MD23.HFB@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes: 
> And then there is the tights problem...
> 
>>
>>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>>
>>Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
>>that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).
>>
>>Marty
>> 
> So if anyone can locate a tights source, it will be most appreciated!
> I didn't know the LB ones were not only thinner but smaller as well,
> since I didn't buy them or try them.  But it figures.  Oh, at LB this
> last weekend there were actually some thicker tights -- in a really
> atrocious industrial-strength grey.  If I want leggings that look like
> that I'll just wear long underwear!
> 
> Linda
> lksmith@truth.mitre.org
>  
-- 
About the tights:
They're right about the Danskin Plus tights -- they make 3 styles.  Regular
tights, the shiny one, and then some that are "light support" which are far as
I can tell just means they stay up better.

There's a mail order house called Appleseed's Just Right!
				  30 Tozer road
				  PO box 1020
				  Beverly, MA  01915-0720

that carried tights of the same description and price as the regular tights so
I assume they are, but here in Texas, there's an "outlet mall" south of Austin
with a Danskin outlet.  All the Danskin Plus stuff including lingerie is about
a third their retail.   There are probably others, regionally located.

Lynn

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	If this were somebody else's opinion, I'd think they were crazy.
From: whitehea@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lady in Red)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Tights- Wheeeeeee! (long)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:03:22 CST
Organization: Alfaro Vive, Carajo!

I meant to post this earlier, but I didn't get around to it. 

I've been doing some frantic research about this tights thing ever
since I saw the barely-tights-like objects that they want $18 for at
LB.  So here's a synopsis of my findings:

Danskins:  First of all, they are $15 a pair. Second, they are lycra
and nylon and they itch in a nasty way(and in a nasty place too).

Making it Big has tights, I don't know how much they cost, but I have
had great luck with them in the past.  I know the tights will be
costly (as much as $15), but I like their quality.

I don't know if anyone besides me has a Jones Store, Co. but if you
do, their tights are made Laura Gayle.  Laura Gayle tights have the
same heavy feel as the old LB tights.  Maybe other stores carry them,
too.

The Avenue:  Cheaply made, but they are opaque and they fit even the
fattest Venus of Willendorf figure on my block (me).  They only cost
$6, too.  The only hang-up is that since they are nothing more than
glorified hose, they run easily.  The nice thing about these tights as
compared to the LB tights this year is that while the LB tights fit
poorly and as a result are not opaque (particularly the black ones), 
the Avenue tights are solid black.

The Lane Bryant catalog:  These cost somewhere in the range of the LB
store variety, and I have some on order, so I'll post when I know more
about how they wear.


The only tights I would implore you not to wear are the Danskins.
They cost a bit too, too much for me and they are too long for my
short leggies.  And that manmade fiber itches!  Ick.

There are lycra tights in Women's sizes at the Target near here and I
have not tried them (can you guess why?), but they are cheaper than
the brandname ones.  

One last note:  The LB hereabouts had a surplus of the last-year's
tights and when I asked about them, the store manager (who is a sexy
babe if ever I saw one-his name is Calvin) brought me a shopping bag
full of the last year's tights.  I bought them at the end-of-the-year
sale price ($1.99). The moral of this is that you might want to ask.
Also, here is the address of the LB home office, so you can write them
and tell them what you think of the cheapo legwear they are trying to
pass off on us:

Lane Bryant Home Office
5 Limited Parkway East
Reynoldsburg, OH  43068


Amy
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: talk show about fat kids taken from parents
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:53:38 GMT
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA


In article <C0GC3v.Jn5@akix.uucp>, sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul) writes:
|> I saw a bit of a talk show yesterday about
|> a couple whose children were removed from
|> the home because they were fat.

Wait.  Was it because the parents were fat or because the children were
fat?

I've heard of a case where a fat kid's parents were investigated for
abuse in the form of causing their child to be extremely fat.  My
sister blamed my mom for her fatness, and restricted my nephew's diet
when he was young to "prevent him from creating many fat cells". (I
might also blame my parents, but it would be for making me devious,
not for feeding me ;-).

If it was because the parents were fat, there's a question of whether
or not their size was a handicap.  We would all like to think that it
isn't a problem, but even at my current size, I find limitations to
what I can do.  If I weighed 200 pounds more than I do now, I might not
be able to take care of myself, let alone a child, without special aid,
and that might cost more than I can afford.  I'm trying not to be
unfeeling here, but I can see how the social services people might
consider extreme fatness to be a serious enough handicap to make a
case.

--
...David Elliott
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Sewing
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:36:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK

shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer) writes:


>There's a group called alt.sewing that is a good place to ask
>about sewing.  Several of the regulars there wear larger sizes,
>so you'll be getting answers based on first-hand knowlege, not
>speculation.

Yep, I just found it, almost by accident. I haven't had much chance to look at
it yet, but I'm looking forward to participating.

Marty


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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: These Dreams...
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:21:59 CST

Hi,

I need some advice here - and since there have been some pretty
bizarre topics discussed here, someone may be able to associate 
with me - or at least be able to offer some advice...

About 9 years ago my brother went to prison.  He committed a 
"crime of passion", he was not the kind of person you would ever
expect to do anything like this.  He had a good job, a relatively
good life and he was (and still is) a good person.  He was 18, I was
9.

To me, he was everything.  He took care of me, protected me from
my father - who was very emotionally and pschologically abusive.
Then one day he was gone, and I was all alone... no one to run too
and everything to run from.  

Now that I am 20 I understand some things a bit more, but all I want
in the world is to give him the chance to live again.  I would do anything
to get him out of prison - but there is nothing I can do.

His lawyer promised he would have him out of prison by the time he was
30 (He is 29 and nothing has changed).  Yeah, right.  His lawyer has 
screwed him over so badly, but my brother
is screwed either way.  If he gets a new lawyer, his old lawyer will get 
pissed and take his high-connections and make sure my brother doesn't get
out for a long, long, time; on the other hand, his lawyer isn't doing anything
for him now either!

I have these dreams - dreams that my brother is here with me - out
of prison.  I have been having them like everynight for the last month,
and they all seem so real!  I know I can't do much for him except be there
for him when he needs me and support him, but I wish I could do more.
Anyway, I have also been having nightmares about my father every night.
I guess they aren't so unusual, but they are annoying.  I wish they would
go away - although they are probably there to remind me that there are still
a lot of feelings of hate pertaining to my father that I need to deal with.

Well, thanks for listening and please let me know if you have any advice
for me.  (Although I don't know what you could say...) 

Chris. 
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Newsgroups: alt.support
From: Mitchell.Porter@launchpad.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Political Parties (was re: Libertarian Stuff)
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:42:15 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


Does anyone want to draft a manifesto for a Satanist Party?
Or, for that matter, how about an Alt.Satanist Party? (even more esoteric)
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: liberation
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:27:16 GMT

The most liberating moment of my life occurred as I was coming on to
a particularly potent dose of LSD and, having the occasion to look in
a mirror, saw alternating images of Christ and Satan, Satan and Christ.
I think that I probably would have gone quite bonkers--at least for a
little while--except for the fact that those cats didn't seem all that
uncomfortable sharing the same face.

michael mcdonald
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Ouija board?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 16:32:00 -0500

I just got a Ouija board for X-mas, and was wondering if anyone here has had
experience using one. I tried it with a friend but nothing came thru. Do I have
to invoke anything when I use it or what? Any info would be appreciated.


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen)
Subject: Re: Some views about satanism
Organization: Finnish University and ResearcH Network, FUNET
	<KK.93Jan11155100@nic.funet.fi> <1it6bhINN3jf@sal-sun44.usc.edu>
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:41:02

> Two bits of advice, seek professional help and talk with a real satanist

  1) I don't need any professional help. Could you enlighten your views on
how I need professional help? If you don't have any real reasons to suspect
my mental stability, stop it, OK?

  2) Talk with a real satanist... well, that's why I posted, to talk with 
other satanist. Do you see yourself as a real satanist? If you do, I am 
ready to talk. 

  Stop flaming. Thank you.

  I
  I  - Dominus
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