From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:27:22 GMT

shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.) writes:

>In article <C18AKL.3xt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:


>>
>>I do not think that we are here to provide with Americans the way
>>to date Iranian girls.  

>in all honesty ala, if a *girl* had posted the question 'how do you
>say i love you in farsi', would you have have objected to a response as well?  
>would you have said 'iranian men are too good for americans'?  or is
>your opinion that iranian women are too good for americans, but iranian
>men arent too good for american women?


The same thing that I said with regard to Iranian girls do apply to
Iranian men.  I have no problem with men and women of different backgrounds
to know each other.  All I say is that casual relationships are not in the
beat inetrest of people whether Iranian, American, Indian or etc.  If these
words are only going to be used as a means of attracting the opposite sex
then it is not appropriate to discuss it here in SCI.  

>>I just do not think this media should be
>>used in this manner.  This is only one person's opinion.  I've
>>
>>I do think that IRANI girls ARE too good for Americans.
>>But again I am talking about IRANI and not so called Persian-Americans.
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>lets say you are blessed with grand children and they all live and grow
>up here in the states.  would you consider them irani, or persian-americans?
>would you consider americans good enough for *them*?

The way things are going, the second generation Iranians are not going to have
too much in common with their parents.  They'll be lost to this society
and they would certainly consider themselves as American and not even
Persian-American.  Other minorities have done a lot better in preserving
their cultural values.  Even fourth and fifth generation Irish or Italians
consider themselves Irish or Italains.  The same is probably true with cubans.
What have Iranins accomplished in preserving their values?  Not nearly enough.
If you ask me, the second generation Iranins are not going to be Iranians.


>>In general I am against dating and casual relationships.

>are you for going to iran for two weeks and 'rescuing' a
>trapped iranian girl then?  how else are two people supposed to get to
>know each other before they decide on a serious decision such
>as marriage?  can it not include saying 'i like you' at some
>stage???  

I did not say there is a problem with saying "i love you".
I did not approve of teaching others what they my not put into goo use.


>>It seriusly contradicts our culture.

>yes it does.  and some of those 'parts' of our culture need some
>serious reevaluating.  and no, i do not mean we should go the 
>other extreme that one often sees here.

There are a lot more positive aspects of our culture than negative aspects.
We will be able to make up for the deficiencies by lw learning about our culture
I did not meant to say that we do not have ANY problems.
Generally, I do not think that those people that dump their culture for this
one will benefit from their trade!  I have seen Iran at the time of crisis
and war and have carefully studied people's behavior.  I have also witnessed
periods of minor crisis in this country.  I serously doubt that this country
can survive a major crisis.  This is a very young nation and have deep ills
that have not been able to solve and may not ever be solved.


>>This, I know, is not only MY opinion.

>im sure its not.  but your reaction somehow seemed as if i had given
>this evil person a 'verd' of some sort such that as soon as he would 
>say it to his victim 'IRANI' girl, she would jump into bed with him! 
>come on, lets not insult IRANI girls like this please!

Don't take it personal.  If I said something it was out of care for
Iran and Iranians.  I did not mean to put you down.

Ala
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