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From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: alt.vampires
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

This sounds like a great idea. Perhaps long overdue...

-John

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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: uk02700@mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 10:57:37 GMT

     I'm interested.  How does one go about getting a newsgroup
started, anyway?

Mushroom
From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Yog-Sothoth
Date: 27 Aug 1992 00:20:52 GMT
Organization: UCB Space Sciences Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu

	Yog-Sothoth is one of the Old Ones from
	Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, and is summoned
	to Earth when someone needs to be devoured
	in a particularly horrible fashion, or for
	dramatic effect.

	I haven't read Needful Things.  In what
	context was it used?


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Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: Horror Magazines
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:16:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.170637.23876@pellns.alleg.edu> frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
>   I'm an unpublished author of horror stories looking to rectify that  
>situation. Mostly, I write supernatural/psychological oddities and  
>something very vaguely Lovecraftian with a surrealist twist. Could anyone  
>please e-mail or post the addresses of magazines that might publish this  
>sort of fiction. 
>A thousand blessings on the house that which can grant me any help.
>-----
>Vince
Buy a copy of The Novel and Short Story Writer's Market it will give
you all the info you need. It is put out by Writer's Digest annually.

TTFN
	Tim


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale)
Subject:  Hysterically penned short story
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:36:23 GMT

I just bought a copy of a horror anthology called TALES BY MOONLIGHT II.
While scanning the table of contents last night I found this little gem:

	"The Eldritch horror of Oz"  by L. Frank Craftlove

There is no indication anywhere in the book to who the real author of this
piece really is (I assumed that the name in the copyright notice was an 
agent, perhaps I was wrong).  

I haven't read it yet, but my curiosity is now peaked!!!

-- 
Lady Robin of Riverdale

"Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for the
   appointment of the corrupt few"
From: quark@asylum.UUCP (etaoin shrdlu)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:13:55 GMT

I'm fully in favor of an alt.vampires group.  

I'll bite, count me in.  I love things in this vein...


-- 
--Dave Hull  (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us, which is really near Boston.)
"Sometimes, chaos devils sneak into this world and cause deviant trends
(like disco, or eight-track car cassettes, or sofa dancing). It's my job to
prevent such stuff from happening." --Ron Post, Vigilante Rocker
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Barker and sex
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:22:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: none

In article <16t9n4INN1u3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu () writes:
>
>to me, it just leaves me picturing his characters with this constant
>flow of bodily wastes squirting out of them.
>
>Maybe trying to make the body seems disgusting is exactly the effect he's
>looking for, but it doesn't really fly for me.  My own flesh is as
>pathetic and weak as the next guy, but it's still just a machine my brain
>sits in, to me.  Anything it does is just a fact of life.  I just get the
>impression that Barker is a guy with a lot of hangups, about himself and
>his sexuality.  Which to me seems typically English, if we want to bring
>up the point about his being an English writer once again.

Funny, but I would have to say the same thing about your post, particularly
the line about "My own flesh is as pathetic and weak as the next guy, but
it's still just a machine my brain sits in, to me."
Anything can be seen like this. Barker is a matter-of-fact-writer, as has
been said. If his characters have to go to the bathroom, they go. Sometimes
we follow, sometimes we don't. Barker wanted an effect and got it.
His style is a bit ...ooozing, if you know what I mean, but I dwell
more on what he is trying to say, than his descriptions. Maybe thats
just me. 
And Barker is hardly the only writer to draw parallels between Sex and Violence.
Ever read De Sade? They are linked by the Powertrips that can be inherent
in both, and as manipulative forces, in the works of many others.

					--Judex--
From: paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Dracula - v1.0
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:43:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula". Following my
recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's castle Not one reply came
from anyone who had read the book, (rather than  comics, films, pop videos
etc).
What i did learn was that said material is unsuprisingly very different
including a play which has Harker as a scion of Dracula with a different wife!

P.S  On an entirely different and controversial note I reckon S.K's "IT" was
and inferior ripoff of Bradbury's "Something wicked this way Comes". I'm ready 
for the flames. :-). 
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Vampire advise
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug21.204428.26665@uceng.UC.EDU>
	<92Aug22.001510.24532@acs.ucalgary.ca> <6889@stan.xx.swin.oz.au>
	<1992Aug27.183321.14230@nmsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.183321.14230@nmsu.edu> pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer) writes:

   repetitive, dull, feminist political claptrap (when I right this, let

``Write'', Joe.  Not ``right,'' ``write.''

-Joe, a proud graduate of the Dan Quayle Acadamy uv Speling.
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: OK.... NOW I'm moving.		<packs luggage>
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:49:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


First that antique shop opened up w/ the Monkey from the cover
of King's "Skeleton Crew" on it as I was re-reading that book...

...then I saw a black Toronado and tons of sparrows while
re-reading "The Dark Half..."

Right now I'm re-reading "IT," and I passed that antique shop on
my way home from work. Sitting in the window is now an old bike
that looks just like Silver from the book.

I'm not making any of this up!!! It's the WEIRDEST string of
coincidences that's ever occurred to me.

Hmmmmm... wonder what would happen if I started 
reading "Penthouse Forum."   :)

-- 
Dan Dooooopavalski (aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: "Forever Knight"
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:11:58 GMT

Has anybody seen this tv show?  It's pretty reminiscent of Fri13:The Series, 
which is not unusual as Fred Mollin does the music for this one as well.

Opinions?

I like it.

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
Rose tints my world, keeps me safe from the trouble and pain- RHPS
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: The dark half
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:01:21 GMT

In article <6875@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>In article <Bt8opB.Iss@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acscehw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ELIOT WINER) writes:
>
>   ( -- text skipped --)
>
>  Starks crime works are also very amoral; if you don't like that sort of thing
> then stay away... but then again you may like it, given that you liked
> 'His Dark Half'.  
>
>  Oh yeah, for those who are interested, I believe that Stark is a psuedonim;
> his real name is Donald Pendalton( ??? ).  As DP he authored comedy crime
> like 'The Hot Rock', which was made into a film (same title) with Robert
> Redford.
>
>  Sorry about the deflection from horror; this is alt.horror after all.
> I hope this, in some way, helps NightRaven and/or Jared Dahl.
>
>                                      Owen
>  

Don Pendleton? Hmmm. Sounds like the guy who wrote a ton of those 
Executioner/Penetrator/Death Merchant/Butcher etc... pulp novels that infest
Convenience stores and Airports. Can't remember which one he wrote 
<Perhaps The Executioner?>, but the name was a psuedonym then, too.

					--Judex--
From: v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: "Forever Knight"
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I LOVE THIS SHOW!!  Finally someone decided to make a modern day
Vampire TV show!  I try to catch this as often as I can and have enjoyed almost
every show they made.  You see, I role-play a lot and there is one game that I
run named "Vampire: The Masquerade".  Basically, everyone plays a vampire
character who is living in the world under the disguise of a human.  Nick
Knight fits right into a game like this.  And all the powers that he uses are
VERY SIMILIAR to most of the powers in the game.  I wonder if the producers
took a look at the game before creating Nick. :)  INteresting thought eh?
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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Movie by maker of Re-Animator?
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:52:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


To the person who listed all the Full Moon entertainment movies as being
"by the makers of RE-ANIMATOR", I wanted to point out one thing.

First, RE-ANIMATOR was not released under the Full Moon banner, it was released
by Empire Pictures, Charles Band's old company.  And secondly, according to
Brian Yuzna, the producer and real "maker" behind RE-ANIMATOR, Band had
precious little to do with the making of that film at all.  Yuzna says:, "He's
taken a lot of credit, but he did nothing, didn't put a nickel in it.  He read
the script, that's about all."  (GOREZONE, July 1990)

I just wanted to point this out, because though some of the Full Moon pictures
are fairly well-made and entertaining low-budget horror flicks, few if any of
them are comparable to RE-ANIMATOR, which was a superior horror movie in most
respects (though not really representative of H.P. Lovecraft's writing).  And
just because the movie has Charles Band's name on it, I wouldn't want those
reading your article to get the impression that they are going to be seeing
another RE-ANIMATOR, or that they are even really watching a movie put out by
the makers of RE-ANIMATOR.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:36:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug26.174348.8528@vax.oxford.ac.uk> paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula". Following my
>recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's castle Not one reply came
>from anyone who had read the book, (rather than  comics, films, pop videos
>etc).

Actually, I remember a response to your question a couple of
weeks ago.  I read the book a while back, and don't know exactly
how he escaped.  I think he crawled out a window with a rope or something.
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Vampyres and more
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:38:04 GMT
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria

In article <iroderic.714873721@cunews>, iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
|> In <5193@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <6902@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
|> >>
|> 
|> 
|> >I don't have any answers for the other questions right now, but I'll take a
|> >'stab' (bad joke:)) at this one. I know that anemia results from blood loss
|> >because iron is housed in the blood, so maybe that's part of it. Let me know
|> >if you get any responses that aren't on here because now I'm curious!
|> >			Laurel
|> 
|> Naw, its porphyria.  Anemia is a good guess Laurel but porphyria is
|> far more 'dramatic'.  It used to be used (maybe it still is) to
|> explain the werewolf myth as well.  Porphyria causes disfiguration and
|> a great deal of pain for the victim.  David Dolphin proposed that if,
|> in the middle ages, victims resorted to drinking large quantities of
|> blood to relieve their pain then this could have spawned the vampire
|> myth.  Thing is though that variations on the vampire myth can be
|> found in numerous cultures around the world while porphyria is most
|> 'common' in southern Europe.  It is more likely, that blood is
|> universal resource for mythic symbolism and one good way of describing
|> evil is something which drinks blood (with my anthropology background
|> I could give a more elaborate explanation but it would still boil done
|> to the same thing).  Paul Barber has a good but quick discussion of
|> Dolphin's claim (_Vampires,_Burial,_and_Death_)
|> 
|> Ian 

   I don't think that drinking blood was enough to cause the myth, but I
 believe that it was a good start.  

   As I understand it, a corpse (though dead) still undergoes many chemical
 reactions internally.  One of many such reactions is an enzyme reaction,
 that results in the growth of hair and finger-nails.  Thus, when coffins
 were opened the corpse had displayed signs of further life -- the
 fingernails and hair growth sited as one example.

   Another reason for the vampyre myth arizes from corpse decompisition.  
 Various internal decompisition within the body (lungs I assume) can result
 in gases forcing blood out of the mouth, thus providing blood-stains on
 the head (primarily the mouth region).  This, too, would be assumed to be
 more such proof.

   (Unfortunately, I cannot refer the reader to any such information; I
 remember this from a radio science show that spent one episode on myths
 such as vampires and werewolves.)

    If I am wrong, would those (medically inclined?) persons respond, either
  over news or email, pointing out my mistakes and possible references.

    One last question : how is the word vampyre derived, and how was vampire
  derived from that ??

   Many thanks to those who responded to questions.

                                         Owen 
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)
Subject: Re: The Stand - THE MOVIE!!(SK)
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:11:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.231104.14433@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>
>     Does anyone have a list of the cast for the Stand?
>
>I always thought that Phoebe Cates would be a great Frannie,
>and that Larry (of Larry, Daryl, and Daryl - Newhart) would
>be a great Lloyd Heinreid (stupid and weasly).  As for Flagg,
>Scott Glen (Kung Fu) could fill the role.

The star of the Kung Fu TV series was David Carradine.  Scott Glenn is
somebody else -- he was in URBAN COWBOY and THE RIGHT STUFF, among
others.  They do look kind of alike.

-- 
					-- Don Porges
					porges@inmet.camb.inmet.com
					..uunet!inmet!porges
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Exorcist III
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:10:25 GMT
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

In article <BtM7zr.Ewn@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>
>	Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes _The Exorcist
>III_.  I agree with those that argue that the exorcism scene was rather
>gratutious.  To tell you the truth, being where it is at the end of the
>movie, it seems rather out of place.  I wasn't that surprised to see it
>though, considering some of the horror movies these days.

Blatty filmed the movie originally with out the exorcism at the end
or any mention of the priest who performed the exorcism.  The studio
execs didn't want a movie called the Exorcist without one though and
forced Blatty to shoot the additional material and weave into the
movie.

I loved the movie but felt the ending didn't match the rest of the
movie.

--
McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com     Computers are like Old Testament gods;
Me? Speak for Compaq?  Yeah, right.   lots of rules and no mercy.
"By this time my lungs were aching for air..."               Joseph Campbell
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Alt.Vampyres
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:49:39 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Alt.Vampyres is here! It has been started on the Cyberden BBS in San 
Francisco,soon to be available to other usenet users around the world, I 
believe..If you are logging in in the Bay Area(Cyberden), you will be 
able to connect..There's nothing in there right now, so post to your 
hearts content..If you are getting this from somewhere else, you will 
have to check and see if it has been picked up by your local BBS..See you 
in Alt.Vampyres!Incidentally, there were thirty responses(all Positive) 
to the idea of this group, and one negative..all in the space of about a 
week!

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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (David T. Blackston)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Freak Show
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu
Summary: Is it any good?


Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone out there in Netland had read the
collection of short stories entitled "Freak Show" edited
by F. Paul Wilson.  I saw it in the stores the other day, 
and I am trying to decide whether to get it or not.  It's
supposedly the second book in a series of thematically
based horror anthologies.  The first, "Under the Fang"
edited by Robert McCammon, was a collection of stories
dealing with a world where vampires had taken over.  I
found it interesting, if slightly redundant in parts.
From what I gather, this new collection is supposed to
detail the adventures of a travelling freak show.  I have
to admit I'm intrigued by the idea, but is it any good?

On a related note, are there any other recent anthologies 
which were found to be worthwhile by the readers here?
I recently read "Ghost Light" by Fritz Leiber and "The
Howling Man" by Charles Beaumont, both of which I found to 
be very good.  In particular, I enjoyed "Roll them Bones"
in the first collection, and the title piece of the second
anthology.  Are there any other memorable ones out there?



				Dave Blackston

I have the heart of a small child ... I keep it in a jar on my desk.

					Robert Bloch
From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Der Vampyr
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:47:25 GMT

Good Evening!

Has anyone read Paul Barber's *Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore 
and Reality*? At times Barber gets very graphic and explicit, so the 
book is not for the weak of stomach. The book goes about explaining 
(scientifically) the mystery of the revenant, how corpses decompose,
why some corpses either don't or don't appear to decompose, why some
corpses don't stay buried, why certain animals are associated with 
the dead (wolves and butterflys for example), how the revenant
can be killed, and how the folkloric and fictional revenants compare.
Some strange facts: Not all revenants suck blood. Some use their
tongue and not their teeth. The place of attack is not the neck, but
usually the chest or even sometimes between the eyes. Vampires are 
blamed for plagues. The fear of the dead re-animating was very strong
throughout Europe, and many archaeological grave digs show that
certain pre-emptive measures were used on the deceased including nails
through the skull or even the perverbial wooden stake through the
heart. Some exhumed male "revenants" had erections. They usually 
attack while the victim sleeps, "throttling" them.
In *Grettir's Saga* (chapters 32-25), Gl'amr is a revenant,
otherwise known as the undead or aptrg"ongumadhr (literally "back walk
man". The best way to dispatch a vampire is to reduce its body to
ashes through cremation. Works every time. Barber guarantees it.
I find the bibliography alone to be worth the price ($10), although
about half the entries are in German. For example:

Ashbee, Paul. *The Earthen Long Barrow in Britain*. London: J.M. Dent
	& Sons, 1970. 
Bartsch, Karl. *Sagen, M"archen, und Gebr"auche aus Meklenburg*.
	Vienna, 1879.
Ebert, Max. "Die Anf"ange des europ"aischen Totenkultes."
	*Pr"ahistorische Zeitschrift* 13-14 (1921-22): 1-19.
Gerschke, Leo. "Vom Vampirglauben im alten Westpreussen."
	*Westpreussen-Jahrbuch* 12 (1962):89-94.
Glob, P.V. *The Bog People. Iron-Age Man Preserved*. Trans. Rupert
	Bruce-Mitford. New York: Ballantine Books, 1969.
Grinsell, L.V. "The Breaking of Objects as a Funerary Rite."
	*Folklore* 84 (1973): 111-14.
Hertz, Wilhelm. *Der Werwolf*. Stuttgart, 1862.
Jungbauer, Gustav. *Deutsche Volksmedizin*. Berlin and Leipzig: de
	Gruyter Verlag,1934.
Meaney, Audrey. *A Gazetteer of Early Anglo-Saxon Burial Sites*.
	London: George Allen and Unwin, 1964.
Schwebel, Oskar. *Tod und ewiges Leben im deutschen Volksglauben*.
	Winden, Westphalia, 1887.
Tillhagen, C.H. "Funeral and Death Customs of the Swedish Gypsies." 
	*Journal of the Gypsy Lore Society* 31 (1952): 29-54.

Anyone looking for a project topic for eldership training? How about 
Gypsy lore influence on Germanic folk customs and traditions. 

Thorfinn Einarsson

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