From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: A Worrisome Example of "Subhuman" Ideology
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:07:52 GMT

In article <13076@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
]
]My wife was flipping through TV channels last night, and we ran into
]some tax-subsidized homosexual propaganda on PBS, a gay variety
]show called "In The Life."
]
]At one point in the show, they showed an ad clearly intended to
]raise consciousness about gay-bashing.  It was very well done,
]and for the most part, I found myself very pleased with it.
]It captured the terror of being attacked, and not being able to
]defend yourself.  (It's a shame that PBS would never deign to show 
]a similar ad against generalized violent crime -- but then again, 
]straight lives aren't worth much to the leftist establishment of this
]country).
]
]But there was one part of the ad that was very worrisome, because
]of past history.  At one point, as the point man for the gay-bashing
]gang chases after the victim, the image cuts rapidly back and forth
]between the gay-basher and a furious barking Doberman pinscher.
]The close of the ad says, "Hate.  It's not human."
]
]What's troubling about this is that by reducing the gay-basher
]to the level of an animal, the homosexual fascist lobby creates
]the implicit assumption that anything done to such a person,
]just like a dangerous dog, is therefore justified: execution 
]without trial, using him in laboratory experiments, or torture.
]

Nonsense. Pure, utter, pathetic nonsense.

I have _never_ heard anyone claim that gay-bashers should be executed
without trial, or any of that nonsense. The ad tries to point out how
sickening gay-bashing is. It doesn't suggest that we should use
gay-bashers as the subjects of laboratory experiments. AND YOU KNOW
THAT. 

You make me sick Clayton, because you're so driven by hatred that you
deliberately make ridiculous, laughable claims in the hope of fooling
someone into joining you in your hatred.

]I have no sympathy for violent assaulters, whether their motivations 
]are hatred of homosexuals, or lust for someone else's wallet.
]If, in defending oneself from felonious attack, such a person
]gets badly hurt or dies, tough.  They had the choice to not
]do what they did.  But this suggestion that they are "subhuman"
]or "nonhuman" reminds me greatly of how concentration camp
]guards used the German word for "animal feeding" when berating
]their captives: "Kein arbeiten, kein frissen."
]

No one suggests that they are non-human. But the act of gay-bashing IS
inhuman. Violent gay-bashing is violent physical attack of a human
being for NO REASON. That is the action of a vicious animal. The
gay-basher isn't subhuman, but the actions that they've chosen to
take certainly are.

]And of course, the homosexual fascist lobby insists that anyone
]who expresses disapproval of homosexuality is a "gay-basher"
]in the same sense that a violent criminal is.  Some homosexuals
]have gone so far as to suggest that a posting attacking homosexuality 
]is worse than raping children.  This also worries me, because the
]logical extension of this "non-human" assertion about gay-bashers,
]and the indiscriminate use of this term to address anyone that
]disapproves of homosexuality, makes me rather worried about the
]future.  The analogy would be to a Jew in 1932 Germany, who
]hears constant Nazi propaganda about "Jewish bankers," "Uenter-
]menschen Juden," and realizes that he is likely to be included in 
]the list of undesirables to be "solved."
]

I'm a Jew Clayton, and I'm getting damned sick and tired of the way
that you trivialize the Holocaust. The Holocaust was an inhuman event.
And YOU remind me of the people who caused it. You need a scapegoat to
blame for what you think is wrong, so you pick a group of people who
are different from you, and you create phony evidence to cause people
to hate them, so that you can legally use them as your scapegoat.
Discrimination is the first step - what will you do once that's
allowed?

	<MC>
-- 
[ Mark Craig Carroll <MC> ] You say you know no tricks, have no talents -
[ U of Delaware, CIS Dept ] Isn't everyone supposed to have their own?
[ Grad Student/Lab Hacker ] Yes, but few are obvious. Few draw notice to those
[ carroll@udel.edu        ] who posess them, like flags waving themselves.
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