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From: pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: WANTED: CRISP for IRIX 4.0.X
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:20:41 GMT
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Ross Morley (ross@prpa.philips.com) wrote:
: pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox) writes:

: Gee, the net readers out there might get the impression that
: some faithful user of the public version is willing to pick up
: development where the original author left off when he went
: commercial. That's admirable! I think it's especially
: appropriate and very interesting that this user happens to have
: the same name as the author of CRISP who also develops and
: maintains the commercial version.  Interesting marketing
: strategy... or are there two Paul Fox's? (after all, their
: email addresses are different - the author of CRISP is in
: England).

: Well, I have to say CRISP is a good product and the commercial 
: version is much better than the public one (currently). 
: Good job Paul. 

Okay -- confusion clear-up time.  Yes, there are TWO Paul Fox's.  There's
the one in England that wrote the original CRISP, and who I assume still
does maintenance/development on the commercial version (is that true,
Rohit?).  I, on the other hand, am a different Paul Fox, who also happens
to be in the editor "business", though non-commercially.  I wrote (based on
MicroEmacs) and maintain a vi-like editor I affectionately call "vile",
which is freely available.  (ftp to ftp.cayman.com)

And apologies time: I didn't mean to malign the other Paul Fox's wish to
make money, nor did I wish to malign his commercial improvements to CRISP. 
By all reports CRISP in its commercial form is a very good editor.  The
feature list is certainly impressive.

I only wanted to be sure people know that just because Rohit regularly
pushes the commercial version (naturally) on the net, that doesn't mean
that the public (shareware -- I didn't know that before) version isn't
still available, and that perhaps someone out there _has_ done some
maintenance to make it work on an SGI machine, as the original poster
asked...

(And Rohit -- I agree, $149 doesn't seem that bad -- I was basing my opinion
on the price of roughly $400 that you once sent me for a 1-2 user license.)

paul


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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:31:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174143.26098@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
[WP->ascii save]
>Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
>However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
>predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
>a pain.

Tables are much nicer than columns if you are really doing tabular data,
but you can also use tabstops for the same effect.  In fact it's kind
of non-intutive the way you have to quote a tab within a table to
make it be interpreted as a tab instead of "move to the next table field"
and you sometimes need decimal tabs to make things line up the way you
want even in tables.

BTW, the way to move between columns is <ctl-home> (goto) arrow.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: jsmith@spectro.UUCP (Jerry Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:42:17 GMT
Organization: Iris Computing Labs

In article <1993Jan25.174143.26098@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
> 
> Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
> However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
> predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
> a pain.
> 
> Barbara Vaughan

Our commercial editor, ie, has column-oriented copy, cut, and, paste, as
well as a search window toggle for column versus buffer-wide search and
replace.  And, of course, you define a column dynamically, simply by
marking the top-left and bottom-right corners.

Jerry Smith
Iris Computing Laboratories
The Spectro Group, Inc.
Phone:  +1-505-988-2670
Fax:    +1-505-988-2489
Email:  jsmith@spectro.com

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From: rick@mel1.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Better, free xedit ?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. - Scottsdale, AZ
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:47:18 GMT

In article <2B5DC6B3.7966@news.service.uci.edu> rico@darwin.bio.uci.edu (Rico Miledi) writes:

	   My users will spend no money for an editor,  but always
   complain that none is available.  I point them to vi, emacs or pico
   but they just howl.  They want rodents and a "simple" interface.

	   xedit would be fine if it had buttons to search and
   "cut",  instead of cntrl-s and cntrl-w.  It would also be nice
   to have a little more functionality like pico's built in speller
   and the ability to go to a specified line number etc.

	   This would be for running under X.

	   Can anyone help ?  

   Thanks.  Rico.

Try aXe version 3.1 which you can get via anonymous ftp from
export.lcs.mit.edu.  It's in the contrib subdirectory under the
filename aXe-3.1.tar.Z.  It's an X-based editor which is completely
mouse driven (the keyboard emulates Emacs for the most part) with
pull-down menus and mouse-based cut-and-paste.  Hope this helps.

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From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: Help : Need to map TAB to # of spaces in VI
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:32:32 GMT

I wrote:

>set ts=666 shiftwidth=3
>map ^V^I ^T

That should of course have been:

>map! ^V^I ^T
>"    ^ you need to type two or three control-Vs here

HansM
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From: smarc@mas.uucp (Marc Siegel)
Subject: WTF - I have a stupid question
Organization: Emtronix Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:01:15 GMT

Where's the FAQ? - I need an answer that's probably in it.

How does one pipe text through an external filter (formatter,
spell-checker, etc.) from within vi, and (hopefully) have the
process text object replace the text object currently on the 
screen?

You'd think after all these years I'd know this one! *grin*

                             | Marc Siegel N3MCR            |
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Subject: TPU for UNIX or DOS
From: ball@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:34:00 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

Distribution: world

I was wondering if there is a TPU-like editor for DOS or UNIX?
The only place I've encountered TPU is on a VMS system.  Any
info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
 john
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From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: Need help with v -c option
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:25:18 GMT

In <1993Jan24.061447.14615@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:

>I am having problems with vi's -c startup option.  I execute the
>command:

>	vi -c  "set wm=12" myfile

>I was hoping that this would execute the command set wm=12 before
>I started editing myfile.  What is happening instead is that the 
>commands in my .exrc file execute, but the set wm=12 does not.

It works for me, but only if myfile exists.

>(Note, there is no set wm command in my .exrc file!)

There is one in mine.  Wm ends up being set to 12.  Apparently,
the .exrc is executed first.

>What are the rules of precedence here regarding the -c startup
>option and the .exrc file?  Is there some way to force a command
>to execute at startup in addition to the ones found in .exrc?  I
>need some way of starting vi up with a different set of startup
>commands depending on my stty cols setting.

Maybe you could make 'vi' an alias for something along the lines
of 'vi -c "set wm=$WHATEVER" /dev/null' and add a "next" to the
end of your .exrc file.

>Also, while I'm here, can someone tell me how do you mark a line
>in .exrc as a comment?

Start the line with a double quote (").

--
Hope this helps,

Hans Mulder		hansm@cs.kun.nl
From: brunnock@cambridge.apple.com (Sean Brunnock)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: WANTED: English and Chinese word processor for the Mac
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:20:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cambridge, MA


I am looking for recommendations for English/Chinese word processors
for a Macintosh SE.

I'm looking for a word processor which can display and edit Chinese and 
English text at the same time. I would like to have the ability to build
new Chinese characters by using previously defined characters. I'd rather
not use a drawing package nor a TeX-like interface.

Thank you for any reply!

Sean Brunnock
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From: dhiltz@whsun1.whoi.edu (David Hiltz)
Subject: Status of "THE" editor
Followup-To: comp.editors
Organization: NOAA-NMFS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:55:44 GMT

    Back in September of 92 there was an annoucement about an editor (that
    was then) called "THE".  It was suppose to have a WordPerfect command
    mode along with lots of other features.  Does anyone know the status of
    this editor.  I can't remember the author's name or email address.

    David Hiltz
    NMFS, MA 
    dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
    ####&@&####


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From: alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten)
Subject: Re: mapping space bar
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:58:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Hans Mulder (hansm@cs.kun.nl) wrote:
: (1) What does `\' do?

Escapes the following character...  from what, and under what circumstances
escapes me (ouch! :-) at the moment.

: (2) Which command do I mess up when I map `u'?

UNDO! UNDO! UNDO!
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From: boots@falch.no (Dag Hasvold)
Subject: CRISP wanted
Organization: Falch Hurtigtrykk as, Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:46:51 GMT

Where can I get CRISP? Preferably a LISTSERV.

Thanks,


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From: rnelson@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (roger nelson;S23487)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:29:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan24.022918.29986
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1993Jan22.161928.20040@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>
>The column editing features are of two forms; you can highlight a column
>block and then copy, move, delete, fill or overlay that block with
>alt-keystroke commands (alt-c to copy, alt-m to move, etc.). 

>None of the Unix editors I've
>seen has the column editing power of Kedit; 

REDT (for UNIX and Amiga) has the columnwise cut and paste operations you
describe as well as insert cut/copied column.

REDT does not have the column delimited editing mode; however, some of this
functionality can be achieved with the learn/macro keystroke facility.

Other REDT columnwise features include, tally column block (registering
sum, count and average numbers in the selected column block) 
and sorting keyed on the selected column block.

Roger
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From: gordond@sr.hp.com (Gordon DeWitte)
Subject: Re: Centering lines in vi
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:13:46 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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!!ctr[return]

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From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: Help : Need to map TAB to # of spaces in VI
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:10:51 GMT

In <538@heimdall.sdrc.com> rob.gabbard@sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard) writes:

>When I hit TAB in VI I want it to simply insert three spaces instead of an
>actual TAB. I know I can set ts=3 and shiftwidth=3, etc. but I simply don't
>want TABs in my file.  I even defined a macro that substitued all TABs with three spaces (with the above settings) but this caused all sort of strange visual effects for obvious reasons.  Is there a way to do this ?

How about:

set ts=666 shiftwidth=3
map ^V^I ^T
"    ^ you need to type two or three control-Vs here

This does more or less what you asked, except that it makes TAB at the
start of the line go to a multiple of three, even if it didn't start
on one.  And you still get an actual TAB if you ever reach column 666.

I'd normally use a smaller number than 666, just in case I'd ever be
editing a file that contained actual TABs, but you seem to be creating
excessively long lines.  Could you maybe set wm=8 when editing UseNet
articles?  Thanks.

--
Hope this helps,

Hans Mulder		hansm@cs.kun.nl
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From: davea@analog1com (Dave Arndt)
Subject: Re: Column Editor ??
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:33:19 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan22.161928.20040@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
|> In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
|> >Im looking for an editor which will ......
  [ bunch of deletions ]
|> 
|> When I was a DOS user, I liked Kedit, from the Mansfield Software Group. 
|> It has very nice column editing features and outputs ASCII.  The latest
|> version, 5.0, works in DOS or OS2 and uses extended memory.  (I don't
|> have this version.)  They are working on a Windows version.  You can set
|> record type to fixed, with a specified record length in order to pad
|> records with blanks.  A global change would change all blanks to 0.
|> 
  [ more deletions ]
|> 
|> I call them every so often and ask if they have plans to develop a Unix
|> version, but so far the answer is "No".  None of the Unix editors I've
|> seen has the column editing power of Kedit; it's ideal for working with
|> data and also for turning ugly output into something close to printable,
|> so that TeX or a word-processor can easily handle the rest.  
|> 
|> Barbara Vaughan
|> 

  And of course, for those who might not be aware, Kedit is based
*extensively* on the IBM SP editor Xedit for VM/CMS.  Xedit is a line-
based (like Kedit) editor with extensive integrations with IBM's REXX
programming language.  Much as I like unix, emacs and even vi ;-), I've
got to admit that IBM scored some mighty impressive points with that
editor.

Regards,
Dave
--
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Mentor Graphics Corporation, Wilsonville OR
davea@wv.mentorg.com
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From: sjreeves@eng.auburn.edu (Stan Reeves)
Subject: vi macro question
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:44:58 GMT

I have my EXINIT variable set as follows:

setenv EXINIT "map q /^>Status:

The purpose of the map is so that when I go into vi from mail I can hit
"q" and have it automatically delete the mail header from quoted mail.
This works just fine.  However, when I try to undo ("u") a delete later
on in the editing session, it undoes *everything* from the point I 
started the editing session.  Sometimes the editor mumbles something
about a global macro, although I can't remember the exact circumstances.
Anybody got any ideas on why "u" undoes everything rather than just the
last change?  Any ideas on how to change that behavior?


--
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Auburn University, Department of Electrical Engineering, Auburn, AL  36849
INTERNET: sjreeves@eng.auburn.edu
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From: mdoob@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Doob)
Subject: mapping space bar
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:48 GMT

Is it possible to use the map command to remap the space bar? If so, what's
the right syntax. Things like ^V<space> won't do the job.

Michael


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From: dattier@orac.holonet.net (DWT)
Subject: Re: mapping space bar
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:30:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.214031.3457@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> djf@bnr.ca asks, among
other things to which I have no answers, this one question to which I do:

>BTW:
> - is there a way to pipe just *1* line through a filter?  I find things like
>!jsome_command<return>
>always send two lines.

!!command              or
!_command              or
:.!command

>Also, is there an easy way to have *add* filtered
>output rather than have it replace the input?

Hmm.  One could always duplicate the text to be filtered and then filter only
the second copy of it.  Say it's a single line: yyp to duplicate it; the
cursor will then be on the lower of the two identical lines, so !!command to
filter it, leaving the upper line unchanged.  I'm trying to think of some way
to use the :r !command construction (the way one usually adds the output of a
command to the buffer) but I can't figure out how to feed part of the text to
it.  One can use :r !command % to operate on the entire text as most
recentlly written (not necessarily as currently in the buffer).

David W. Tamkin  P. O. Box 59297  Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
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From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: mapping space bar
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:35:56 GMT

Michael Doob writes:
>Is it possible to use the map command to remap the space bar? If so, what's
>the right syntax. Things like ^V<space> won't do the job.

Yes it will, just use more ^V's.

Type this:    :map ^V^V^V   ^V^F
See this:     :map ^V   ^F

[NOTE: This is untested, but it seems to work]

You may or may not have troubble with the ~ command.

\Ruben.

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     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
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From: ross@prpa.philips.com (Ross Morley)
Subject: Re: WANTED: CRISP for IRIX 4.0.X
Organization: Philips Research Palo Alto
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:07:33 GMT

pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox) writes:

>Rohit Mehrotra (rohit@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan19.190742.21719@ramon.bgu.ac.il> mary@chen.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus) writes:
>: >Hello !
>: >
>: >I seek advice for installing the CRISP editor at our Silicon Graphics
>: >workstation. I've tried different configurations, but didn't manage
>: >to compile CRISP source files.
>: >
>: CRISP is a commercial product now and is available on the SGI machine.
>: The EMAIL address to send a mail in reference to the COMMERCIAL product
>: is:	owner-xcrisp-list@uunet.uu.net
>: -- 
>: Rohit Mehrotra

>While it is true that there is now a (pricey) commercial version of CRISP
>available, I always get the impression that Rohit wants us all to believe
>that this means the public version is no longer available, and that there
>is no chance that anyone is doing continuing development on that version...
>I have half a mind to pick it up....

Gee, the net readers out there might get the impression that
some faithful user of the public version is willing to pick up
development where the original author left off when he went
commercial. That's admirable! I think it's especially
appropriate and very interesting that this user happens to have
the same name as the author of CRISP who also develops and
maintains the commercial version.  Interesting marketing
strategy... or are there two Paul Fox's? (after all, their
email addresses are different - the author of CRISP is in
England).

Well, I have to say CRISP is a good product and the commercial 
version is much better than the public one (currently). 
Good job Paul. 

Ross

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From: jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Centering lines in vi
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:43:08 -0600
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

pietro@nova.bellcore.com (Pietro Manzoni) writes:

>Hi,
>is there anybody who knows whether there is a :map command to center a
>single line in VI?

There is probably already a package that does this, but I'd put this in
as an example on how to build useful simple filters for vi.  At the end
of this post is a simple program that centers text.  Compile it and
install it in ~/bin/center, or whatever.

Then, make the following map:
:map == !!center^M
(the ^M represents the result of hitting CTRL-V followed by CTRL-M)

Presto, you have a pseudo center "operator".  Now you can do a == to
center a single line, or a 5== to center the next 5 lines.

Enjoy.

/* File:    center.c
 * Creator: James C. Hu (sirius@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)
 *
 * Description:
 *     Centers lines of input.
 * 
 *     Caveats are that lines cannot be longer than the specified
 *     centering line length, if they are, then they may be truncated,
 *     and that the default centering line length is 72.
 *
 * Copyright:
 *     This program is placed into the public doman.
 *
 * Date Started: Thu Jan 28 15:33:44 CST 1993
 *
 * Change Log:
 */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>

static int length = 72;
static char *buf;
static char format[10];         /* should be enough */

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
  int i,n,buflen;
  char *p;

  switch(argc) {
  case 2:
    length = atoi(argv[1]);
    if (length == 0) length = 72;
  case 1:
    break;
  default:
    fprintf(stderr, "usage: center [width]");
    exit(1);
  }

  buf = malloc((length + 2) * sizeof(char));
  while (fgets(buf, length+2, stdin) != NULL) {
    if ((p = strrchr(buf, '\n')) != NULL) *p = '\0';
    while (isspace(*buf)) buf++;
    buflen = strlen(buf);
    sprintf(format, "%%%ds\n", length/2 + (buflen+1)/2);
    printf(format, buf);
  }
  return 0;
}

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From: csg021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Micky J.)
Subject: Book about *writing* text editors
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:25:04 GMT


Could anybody tell me the name of a book which gives information about
writing simple text editors?

Any FTP sites with such information?

Thanx

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