From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Incorrect Orgasms? (was: Please explain this quote)
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:05:42 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

> 
> I am wondering how applicable this oft-repeated statement is to women
> who have not been TOLD it.  Many women who have somehow missed out
> on being so informed go on blisfully having Incorrect orgasms (the action
> of the penis does, of course, result in motion of the clitoris),
> so long as the man continues long enough.

	You know something? If this is really what Robert thinks is true
about female sexual response, I get the feeling he's never actually seen a
woman have an orgasm.

> 
> Other women who dutifully recite this Correctitude to their lovers
> will come oh-so-ever-so-close to orgasm in the Incorrect way, yet somehow
> never quite finish the matter. Knowing how strongly the mind can, of
> course, enhance or inhibit sexual pleasure, one wonders whether these
> women would be unable to reach orgasm thusly had they not been told
> that they would be unable. ("Now, don't try to learn how to play the piano,
> because you're never going to be any good at it!")
> 
	This above statement is, of course, the result of years of
solidly-documented research conducted by the Sheaffer Institute of Sexual
Shocks and Psychic Surprises. 

	In other words-- Do you have any DOCUMENTED, PEER-REVIEWED proof to
support this statement? I doubt it.


> Notice that the acceptance of "vaginal intercourse as undesirable"
> implies that a man should attempt to pleasure a woman in the same
> way that a lesbian does. Notice that it also implies that, in
> lovemaking, the penis has very little value, and is in fact something 
> of a nusiance. Now, coming as it does from the feminist movement,
> whose leadership leans heavily toward lesbianism, it is difficult 
> NOT to see in this teaching a 'hidden agenda'. Clearly, this belief
> constitutes a powerful weapon in the feminist war against the phallus.
> Given the great malleability of human sexual response, the claim 
> that "most women cannot orgasm from penis/vagina intercourse" (a claim
> which, from what I understand, is far less believed among Europeans)
> may be rather less a description of a situation than an attempt to create
> one.
> 
	You know, I'm glad I buffer Robert's posts-- hardly anyone I know
actually believes that a human being can be so consumed with sexual
paranoia. Not content to postulate a weird conspiracy of lesbian feminists
seeking to deprive men of sexually-responsive women (a theory Robert
created, no doubt, shortly after that water-fluoridation and
purity-of-essence insight), Robert seems to feel that men's use of
techniques other than penile penetration is the _only_ legitimate way to
experience orgasm. (He did say this, you realize; penile penetration is
about the only method lesbians _can't_ use. Last I checked, when girls wanna
have fun, they tend to be pretty creative at it.)

	So, methinks Robert, being areal man, eschews such 'lesbo' methods
as manual stimulation, delicate licking of the nipples, healthy back
massages, kneading muscle tension down the legs, and especially
cunnilingus-- the insidious plot of lesbians everywhere, eh?

	"War against the phallus?" "Lesbian wars?" The guy's beginning to
sound like Dr. Benway. 

Rev. P-K-- "I, for one, encourage all males to learn sexual techniques from
lesbians. Strong Tongues make for a Strong America-- we've licked Bush, so
let's keep ON licking bush for four MORE years!" :-}


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