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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: More newbie questions
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:34:53 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Last weekend, I visited a neat sports store in Fremont, CA called
Tri City.  They had a couple Enhanced Colt 1911s and I was most definitely
NOT impressed with the quality of the finish.  The one detail that sticks
out in my mind is the ejection port, which looked as if it had been smoothed
out a bit crudely...maybe a little rough, I don't know.  Are current
production Colts inferior in quality to Springfield Arms?  I didn't like
the plastic trigger, either.

For folks with kids, I was wondering how they handle the toy gun debate.
I'm definitely going to take my kids to the range, as soon as they show
interest in shooting but I'm not sure how I feel about toy guns.  Part of me
thinks that (my) kids should not have any (that they should have no slightest
indication that guns are toys), part of me thinks it's a non-issue.  What
do other people out there think?

Happy holidays folks,

   don
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From: kkrh@troi.cc.rochester.edu (K. Karcich)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Handgun carry laws while transiting Mass,New Hampshire and Maine
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I am wondering what handgun carry laws are in Maine, Mass, and New Hampshire.
I would like to bring handguns from New York State, in a locked case, thru
Mass and New Hampshire to Maine. If anyone knows about this, please E-mail
me with the info. Thanks.

regds,

Ken Karcich
From: hays@SSD.intel.com (Kirk Hays)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: S&W Auto/Glock 21 jam-free
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:30 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division

In article <BzBIF5.Czu@nic.umass.edu>, pfloyd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (BlackWing Restorations, Ltd.) writes:
|> Another story...
|> 	The S&W M76 submachinegun fires from an open bolt. I once saw
|> a film of someone dropping the gun on its stock while fully loaded...
|> the bolt cycled back, loaded a round, and when the bolt came forward
|> again, it started firing... on full auto... talk about a depressingly
|> stupid weapon...

A problem common to most, if not all, open-bolt submachineguns.

They're made for "cheap" and "effective", not "safe."

-- 
Kirk Hays - NRA Life.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing."  -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
From: rtaraz@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm shootings (2)
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:12:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

#>>>> On 12 Dec 92 00:20:19 GMT, gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu (John Stephens Cronin) said:


gt4458c> In article <RTARAZ.92Dec10140734@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
->the gases comming out of a blank probably have the same speed and
->pressure as a regular bullet shooting out a bullet, the only
->difference is that they dont shoot anything. 
->
->now, stand a few feet (maybe a few yards) away from the barrel and you
->wont feel a thing,  other that the sound and maybe a shockwave!
->       
->please correct me if I am wrong.

gt4458c> One thing you overlook is that they usually have to put
gt4458c> something in the front end of the cartridge to keep the
gt4458c> powder in, even if they crimp it.  This is usually clay or
gt4458c> wood, as far as I know.  I have been shot at about 10-15 feet
gt4458c> with a .223 blank fired out of an M16 without a blank
gt4458c> adapter.  I felt a pattern of fragments hit my fore- head,
gt4458c> similar to ratshot.  No harm was done, no blood drawn, and it
gt4458c> did not even really hurt.  Never-the-less, I made it quite
gt4458c> clear that if the act was repeated, the shooter would be the
gt4458c> proud owner of a plastic .22 anal suppository.  :)

isn't that kinda what I said? I said at distance (a few yards) you
wont feel a thing (well, maybe something but not too bad!)

(I hate to be wrong!)
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Taurus: soft steels & gunsmithing problems?
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:25:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


	Just back from my favorite gun shop, Kesserlings, in Alger
Wa.  I was looking at two guns, a stainless S&W .38 spl model 64,
$225 used, and a Taurus .38 spl 85CH stainless, $195, also used.  The
sales guy said (before I even mentioned the S&W), that Taurus uses soft 
steels, and that their model 85, and all their guns, was frequently in
the shop because of damage.  Disproportionately more frequently than
the S&W .38s.

	Any gunsmiths out there able to comment on this?  
Jim D

PS, it is a very reputable place, and I know he wouldn't be lying to get
an extra ~$2.50 in sales commission.  They are always honest about things.
Today I laughed when a customer asked, while handling the more expensive
Berretta, what advantages it has over a Glock.  The answer was something
along the lines of "Nothing, but it has a cool name.", and that 
it was less durable, less reliable, etc, and to only get it if you wanted 
the prettier of the two.
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Bart Simpson is the NRA
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:17 GMT

Just thought I'd let those of you who don't know that,
as of last nights episode of "The Simpsons", Bart is now
a fellow member of the NRA.

Dana Rigg, NRA member
Chandler, AZ
rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ballistic Formulas Request
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:33:31 GMT


I'm sure this request has been made before, but I haven't seen the 
responses.  Anyhow, if anyone has the formulas for internal ballistics
(ie what the Powley computer was based on), including the IMR powder
reccomendations, available, I would appreciate it if they would email
the information to me.

The info for external ballistics would also be of use.

it is my quasi-noble intention to write some C programs around these
formulas, which, if of general interest, i would be willing to post.

finally, if a (non-commercial) version of a decent ballistics program
exists in C or APL, I would be interested in hearing about it.

Thanx...

--Dan

"Master... Master...                       (To The Tune of Metallica's)
	Master of Science is your degree.  ('Master of Puppets')
	You're too dumb for a PhD.              loki@acca.nmsu.edu
	Should have studied for the GRE!    taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: pop rocks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:21:10 GMT

bbs.byron@tsoft.net (Byron Reynolds) writes:
: In reply to the query about "pavement poppers"...
:  
: I've experimented with various ways of producing shock-sensitive 
: explosives, and have found that there is really no safe way to do it.  
: The nature of the stuff is to explode when disturbed, and is therefore 
: very unfriendly to work with.
:  
: If you are bound and determined however, there have been postings here 
: about silver fulminate and gold fulminate being used in these little 
: poppers.  I've experimented with silver fulminate...unpredictable stuff.
: I assume gold fulminate is probably just as touchy.

If I recall correctly, gold fulminate is even more sensitive. I have
never made it. It is a detonating compound, and will shatter anything
which happens to be in contact with it when it explodes.

Bill
Xref: sparky rec.pyrotechnics:4125 rec.arts.books:22794 soc.history:10242
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics,rec.arts.books,soc.history
Subject: Re: Dynamit Nobel
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:13:52 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1992Dec17.013939.18600@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
> (iii)	Which specific explosives were used by the turn of the century
> bomb-throwers?  Any pointers to general histories of terrorism?
> 
> cordially,
> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
> "Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

_Historie Zlocinosti:  Trhane a Jejich Trhavliny_
Vladislav Nehoda, Praha, 1929
Melantrich

Doesn't Harvard have it?
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Jello Bombs, How to air burst?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:47:26 GMT

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >However, how would you like to be hit on the head by a blob of jello
: >that had had 12 stories to gain velocity. It would not be comfortable.
: 
: >I certainly would not want to risk the wrath of someone who decided
: >that strawberry flavored hair was not the epitomy of fashion.
: 
: Methinks Bill wringeth the hands too much.  Field experience shows that
: water balloons at terminal velocity are not fatal.  At least my experience
: years ago at using our Funnelerator from the top of our dorm at Tn Tech
: to target, ummm, civilians.  A 12" balloon accurately placed in the 
: square of the back would exert powerful persuasion on the target to
: assume the position and contemplate Mother Earth up close and 
: personal.  No casualties any more serious than skinned knees and torn
: nylons.  And wetbacks, of course.  Oops, was that politically 
: incorrect?

Note that I did not say anything about such a thing being fatal, or even
that it would injure a person. I only stated that it would be uncomfortable.
You have amply documented my belief - thank you.

If you wish to risk the wrath of 350 lb "Murgo the Mangler" when hit with
such a contrivance, that is your choice.

: GAD, think how the safety nazis would react now to our other hobby at tech
: of walking the beam from our 150 watt CO2 laser alongside people
: walking on the mezzanine outside the physics building.  This flaming
: spot with a black trail following it would walk alongside the target.
: Reactions were interesting...

I would imagine so. However, in this case, you are not hitting people with
something. As long as you exercised the proper safeguards to keep from
burning someone, it could be an interesting experience.

Bill
From: bbs.byron@tsoft.net (Byron Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: ringadingding
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:28:02 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

In reply to ringing ears...
 
I once removed a very very large stump from the ground using a very very 
large flash cracker...and very poor ear protection (none).
 
I was behind an earthen bunker of sorts about 20 feet away, and I was 
situated in such a way that the danger of being hit with flying debris 
was not an issue.  However, I did not think about the "bang" enough.
 
Well, I got my "bang", and lost my hearing for about 3 days.  It started
with a shrill "sqeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" sort of sound that began building up
shortly after the blast, until all I was left with was pure "sqeeee".
 
I went to the doctor, and was able to hear as long as he screamed at 
me.  He told me that this is the body's natural responce to a trauma of 
the inner ear...and something fluids in the inner ear causing the effect.
He told me it would get better, but couldn't guarentee that my hearing
would ever be back to normal.
 
I'm happy to report that after about a week, the monotonous tweety-bird 
had given me a break, and my hearing was better.  I did not regain full 
sensitivity to the audible spectrum for about a month, however.  I lost 
sensitivity to high frequencies for that time.
 
I wish you the best, and suggest that everyone hear remember their ear
protection!  I have a similar story about eye protection...use your
goggles!  Wear the equipment, or don't play the game...it's not safe.

--
Byron Reynolds (bbs.byron@tsoft.net)
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:09:07 -0500 
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: EXPLODING LEMONADE! 

The exploding lemonade recipe definitely doesn't work. I just tried it,
and the nitric acid makes it WAY too tart. The problem can be solved if
you cut back on the carbolic acid, and substitute Seagrams (tm) Gin. Two
dashes triple sec and you'll be the life of the party ;-)
From: eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Thanks for the liquid suggestions
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:39:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Irvine

I just wanted to thank everybody for all of the VERY helpful suggestions
regarding my Clean Burning Liquid post.  I didn't expect so many, but
I am grateful for all of them.

Thank you once again,

Lee Furnival
eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Anarchists' Handbook
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:01:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <gt8303a-111292112149@astgator-201.gatech.edu>, gt8303a@prism.gatech.edu writes...
>In article <1992Dec10.212739.16412@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>,

>And what if we just want to read it to see how stupid it is?
>Please let everyone decide for themselves.

You can decide.  Bill has provided insight to a document.  I suggest you
buy it, try EACH and every experiment and let us know how
they work.  When you do not respond after 3 months we will know
that something went wrong and we should ignore you...

	- mark

buda@star.enet.dec.com
...!decwrl!star.enet.dec.com!buda
buda%star.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Any Ideas for Starbursts?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:21:04 GMT

rubin@godzilla.cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Rubin) writes:
: > 
: >My favorite is a rising comet to a color changing peony with "dust".
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Wow that description gives me a warm fuzzy feeling...  You care to post the
: detail on the construction of that device.  I guess the most intriguing part
: is the "dust".  I would love to make a shell that just ending in a cloud of
: flickering dust.  

The dust formulas do not really twinkle or flicker - they just burn fairly
steadily and slowly fade out. There are twinkling and strobing formulations
that may also be used.

It is pretty much standard construction. Shimizu give dust formulas. See
pages 220-222 in "Fireworks - The Art, Science and Technique". I fasten the
comet to the base of the shell.

The hardest part is rolling the stars.

Another effect I would like to try is the Meteor shell - as described by
Bleser in "Round Stars & Shells".
give dust formulas. See pages 220-222 in "Fireworks - The Art, Science and
Technique" by Shimizu.

Bill

Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: RDX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:29:33 GMT

lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio) writes:
: First of all, every bit of this stuff is dangerous. Of *COURSE* you can
: blow your head off. Haven't you been told?
: 
: That said, I followed a similar procedure years ago. I wasn't trying to
: get RDX. I didn't know *WHAT* I was trying to get. Nevertheless, I *DID*
: get RDX, and here I am alive and telling you about it. Testimonials, of
: course, are statistically useless - very small N here. 
: 
: Keep the temperature low. Make sure the acid is fresh. Cut down on the
: amount - Hey! 50g will set you some kinda FREE if it goes!

I agree. Even 1 gram can cause lots of grief - unless proper precautions
are taken.

The problem of making RDX by this field expedient method is that the yield
is low. There are also a number of other by-products that may be produced.
These are HMX, DPT, BSX and others. The reaction also produces a lot of
formaldehyde. Some of these byproducts attack the RDX, and make it unstable.

: With these simple precautions, it's merely *EXQUISITELY* dangerous and
: it's usually felonious too. 

: BTW, I had trouble drying the stuff. Anyone else solve that problem?
: Just curious.

You can purify it by disolving in 70% nitric acid - precipitate by adding
water. It is poorly soluble in cold ethanol - you could try washing the
precipitate with that. You cannot dry it over sulfuric acid, as the acid
attacks the RDX, causing it to deteriorate. I could probably dig in the
literature, and find what is used commercially, but I doubt if it worth
the effort.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: FAQ's, archives and Pyrotech books?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:34:31 GMT

janv%fulgor@frcs.alt.za (Jan Vermaak) writes:
: 
: I have a catalog of Butokai in Cornville, Arizona, and it seems as if they
: distribute Anarchists Cookbook, Poor Man's James Bond etc. They also have
: one called "Advanced Homemade Fireworks". I got hold of a copy of this one
: from a friend, but I found that it was a *verbatim* copy of George Weingart's
: classic "Pyrotechnics" published in '47 - No credits or Bibliography though.

Advanced Homemade Fireworks may contain some of the information from Weingart.
It does not contain the majority of it. I have not compared the formulations
to see if they are identical.

: I have not been able to get hold of any recent pyrotechnics books here,
: (except for that one) - are there new books that are really worthwile or
: are most of them rehashed versions of the classics?
: 
: I have heard the Shimuzu has written a decent one - Any opinions about it?

Yes. I consider it to be mandatory for anyone experimenting with pyrotechnics.
It is called "Fireworks - The Art, Science and Technique". The book, among
others, are available from Pyrotechnica Publications, 2302 Tower Drive, Austin
TX 78703. Another book worth purchasing is "Fireworks - Principles and
Practice" by Weingart. I don't think the 2nd edition is worth the extra money.
I would buy the 1st edition. There are some known unsafe formulations in the
Weingart text - with no warning as to their being hazardous. Given that known
limitation, it is still well worth the money for the 1st Edition. I believe
the 2nd Edition is $60 - too high, in my opinion.

Shimizu has also written a monograph "Pyrotechnics from the Physical
Standpoint" which is excellent. It has been translated into English
in four parts. It is also available from Pyrotechnica Publications.

Bill
From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: What about TBBOM updates?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Greetings.
I've seen TBBOM 1.3 on the system here.
My question is, when is the next version going to be out, and will it 
address the problems brought up in the last few posts? (ie, danger content,
history, etc.)
Just a few cents worth of bothering time :)
T.

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From: siphon@momad.li.ny.us (Stimpson J. Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Pool Clorine + Brake Fluid
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 05:11:37 EST
Reply-To: siphon@Momad.LI.NY.US (Stimpson J. Katz)
Organization: Modem Madness BBS    1+516-295-9435

     A few years ago, I experimented extensively with pool chlorine and
brak fluid. The chlorine I used was actually trichloro-s-triazine-trione,
also know as trichloro-cyanuric acid (I think).

     In cold weather, it could take as long as 30-40 minutes to react,
but then it suddenly gets very hot and produces enormous clouds of a
gas that varies in color from whitish green to greyish black. The
fumes are ferociously noxious.

     Strongly recommended if you ever need to force a building to be
evacuated. Delay times are totally unreliable so use caution. Cutting
the brake fluid with cooking oil slows the reaction.

     CAUTION: Do not do this indoors. Do not even open a bottle of
chlorine indoors. You will smell it for a week and if a drop gets on
your carpet ..... This gets VERY hot VERY fast so be careful. It will
not keep long (very hygroscopic).

Siphon@Momad.LI.NY.US
Stimpson J. Katz

     I swear, by my life and my love of it, never to live for the
sake of another man, nor to ask another man to live for mine.

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:05:04 -0500 
From: Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: RDX

I'm curious as to the reliability of the TBBOM 1.3 method of producing RDX.

To summarize:

50g hexamine (hexamethylenetetramine) added slowly to 550ml nitric acid
over ice bath at low temperatures.

Drop temperature below 0 degrees C and stir for 20min at least.

Pour mixture over a liter of crushed ice.

Filter out crystals and wash in boiling distilled water to remove all traces
of acid.

Store wet until ready to use.

Mix 88.3% RDX with 11.1% mineral oil and 0.6% lecithin by weight to
desensitize, producing composition C-1.

Will this procedure kill me?

Is C-1 stable enough to use in large (i.e. full yield of this procedure)
quantities without extreme danger?

Is the lecithin in C-1 necessary, and is the amount critical?  (My supply is
impure and my scale inaccurate.)

Is there anything else I should know to avoid premature detonation/death?

Is RDX spark/heat sensitive?  How about C-1?

Is there a preferred method of making RDX less sensitive and less dangerous
without losing cap-sensitivity?

Thanks guys,

        -- Martin