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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: HK science fiction
Keywords: HK SF
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:58:44 GMT

poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon) writes:
|> 
|> I have a question about the 3 laws of robotics.  I think that, according to
|> Asimov, it is necessary to have these 3 laws in order to make a stable 
|> positronic brain.  But from what I read in the quarterly, it is said that
|> it is human who make up these laws to govern robots, just like our real laws.
|> Am I wrong?

I don't know exactly what the quarterly said, but the three laws are
not to make a positronic brain stable, but to be programmed into the
"positronic" brain so as to make it have kinda moral code. Here are 
the three laws:

	1. A robot must not harm a human being, nor through
	   inaction allow one to come to harm.

	2. A robot must always obey human beings, unless
	   that is in conflict with the first law.

	3. A robot must protect itself from harm, unless
	   that is in conflict with the first or second law.

I happened work in the robotics area a few years back (but
not any more), and at that time, one major concern about
robotics is that it is taking away jobs from people. And
when you think about it, the three laws don't address
this problem. So I proposed the following fourth law
(I actually informally presented in the Int'l R&A Conf.):

	4. A Robot should not compete with human being,
	   and should only engage in jobs proved to be
	   boring, strenuous, demeaning, dangerous, ...

To illustrate the point, I have a picture showing a robber
using a remote control device directing a robot with black
bang on its sensor-eyes (to indicate the nature of the work)
carring a bag of money trying to run away from another
chasing robot controlled by a policeman. (The picture is
actually a cartoon from Ming Po.) Unfortunately, nobody
takes it serious. In retrospect, I probably should pass
the idea to Asimov, but can't do it now. ...

Steven
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328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ctsang@bmdhh315.bnr.ca (Chi Tsang)
Subject: Hong Kong New Airport Info required
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:23:16 GMT

Hello,

I want some information regarding the impact of HK New Airport
on HK properties market. Is there any HK government office in UK
from which I can obtain those information ?

Thanks.


Chi
From: clam@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Christopher Lam)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Reply-To: clam@ics.uci.edu (Christopher Lam)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: bruce Lee
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:53:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.120752.28250@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>I found out that Bruce Lee was passed away on July 20, 1973 - that
>was nineteen years ago last week.  He is one of the most admired
>and respected superstar in the movie history, do you remember him?
>--
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.


I sure do remember Bruce.  I'll never forget his Kung Fu move.

Chris.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: YOUNG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Charles Young)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: telnet to CPHK?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:36:38 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul23.203948.2715@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>,
u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au says:
>
>Anyone know how can I telnet to CPHK?
>I have a friend who studied in CPHK
>and he has a vax account, I can send
>mail to him use the internet address
>cphkvx.cphk.hk, but I can't login to
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>my friends account using telnet
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You shouldn't be trying to log into any account other than
your own anyway.



>
>anyone know what's the problem?
>
>thanks in advance
From: phung@ATTMAIL.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK: COMMEMORATION OF THE 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SINO-JAPANESE WAR
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:50:10 GMT

COMMEMORATION OF THE 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SINO-JAPANESE WAR IN HONG
KONG

On 7/7, the China Youth Service & Recreation Centre organized 
an event for the commemoration of the 55th Anniversary of the 
Sino-Japanese War in Hong Kong.  The event was co-sponsored by 
the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union, the Chinese Alliance for
Commemoration of the Sino-Japanese War Victims, and several other
organizations.  It took place beside the Tsim Sha Tsui bell tower, 
with an excellent view of the Victoria Harbour and the Hong Kong Island.

The event started at about 8pm.  It was in the form of a variety
show.  Several celebrities including Mr. Szeto Wah, Mr. Andrew Tu
(chairman of the Chinese Alliance for Commemoration of the Sino-Japanese
War Victims), and Dr. Chan Yiu Nam (Chinese Dept, HKU) were invited to
say a few words about the event.  Among the speeches Mr. Tu's was the
most memorable. In fact it was interrupted a few times by the audience's
applause.  Mr. Tu talked about the importance of remembering the
Sino-Japanese War as a historical lesson.  In particular, he
mentioned that a Japanese friend recently said something heart-breaking
to him,"If you (Chinese) forget, are we (Japanese) going to remember?"

A total of 17 verterans who fought in the War were invited
and tribute was paid to them for their contribution.  Also on the
program were chrous performances of songs during the War, and a talk
show on the commemoration of the War.  The event ended with a climax
when a documentary (in Cantonese) produced by the China Youth Service &
Recreation Centre was shown.  The documentary gave an account of
Japan's aggression on China from the last century to the present --
it probably is one of the most comprehensive documentaries on the
subject.

The production of the event was truely professional.  The event attracted 
about two hundred audience and was a remarkable success.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alaw@oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Subject: Re: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Reply-To: alaw@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:16:46 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

ramasws@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (SESHAN RAMASWAMI) writes:
>I'll be moving to Hong Kong this Fall, and would be grateful if someone 
>could tell me if there is any way in which I can follow the N Y Giants and 
>other American pro and college football teams in HK ?  Is there cable TV or
>a satellite hook-up arrangement that carries live coverage ?

You can try your luck by taping CNN early Tuesday morning.  Also you
can purchase USA Today for about $7 a copy.  Get the Tuesday copy for
complete coverage and Sunday NFL action.

As for Pearl's coverage, they have NFL Game of the Week, which is
highlight of a game carried by CBS.  Pearl also carried NFC playoffs,
Conference Championships and the Superbowl live.  The trick is you
have to know the exact date/time of the playoff games b/c Pearl does
not put a lot of advertisement ahead.

	Alvin
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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:12:30 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

In article <1992Jul23.125243.5479@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
|> shlam@eng.ie.cuhk.hk (Alan S H Lam) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >Our new governor Chris Patten will visit our U. tomorrow.
|> >He may read this news group.
|> >Would you like to say something to him?
|> 
|> Dear Mr. Patten,
|> 
|> 	I hope you can use your influence to build a solid foundation
|> to ensure the stability of Hong Kong after the turn over in 1997.
|> 
|> 	Thank you.

Agree.

In the meantime, could you help the universities there scan more
scenic/popstar/whatever HK pictures in the net? Also HK popsongs
in MIDI?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: macross@wam.umd.edu (Steve Ji-Chang Hong)
Subject: For TSE BUN 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:19:14 GMT


Here are the infomation you requested

Madison Business College
Undergrad. 426 people       
Faculty    27 (17 full time)
Morning Class only
Majors: Accountind, Bussiness and office, business data processing and related
	programs, marketing and distribution, secretarial and related programs.
Fall term application   $25 No closing date
Annual expenses  Tuition $2490
Tel & address:  Direction of Admissions, Madison Business College
		1110 Spring Harbor Drive
		Madison, WI  53705
		(608)238-4266

Texas A&B......
Unknown

Bing, If you need more info.  Please e-mail me.
Sorry about the Texas one.  If you have the full name, I'll see what I can do.
-Steve
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:04:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.

>poon@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong) /  3:20 am  Jul 22, 1992 /
>In article <1992Jul21.233935.12601@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>[Deleted]
>>Has anyone read anything by a guy named "Wong Yik?"  (not the singer)  

>No.

I did.
>>he started writing sci-fi several years ago--and they are pretty good.

>Please tell us something about him.

His book has nothing to do with science. He try to explain some basic
teaching in religions (if you consider religion is philosophy) in the stories.
One of his advantage over Welsley is most of their are not follow each other.
So a lot of different theories. 

Example, one of his book try to explain what is god (christian one) and his
(if you consider god is male) behaviour. He written," He does not know where
he came from. But he was born with the universal. He travel all over the
universal. Finally, he chose earth as his place of stay. His reaction to
mankind is very slow, measured in hundred of years. But his reaction would
be very powerful." Sorry, he have not written that praying will change the
will of the god :-).

In another book(s), he talked about Zen.

>>I wonder if film-producers will ever bring this guy's work to the Big screen.

>If they (those stories) are good, I hope some day they will be on big screen.

>Have fun!!!
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL was:(Electronics/videogame .....)
From: hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Heung Wing          Chat           )
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:51:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <92Jul29.121558edt.246475@descartes.waterloo.edu> mkcman@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man) writes:

>In article <84636@netnews.upenn.edu>, taoc@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul25.002241.41114@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us> cho@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us (Cho-Ming Tai) writes:
>> >
>> >	sold at Golden Plaza (in Kowloon) disappointing.
>> >	They were all PC stuff.  It's hard even to find any high-end Macs,
>> >	not mentioning Sun, Next, DEC stuff.  
>> 
>> 	Thus, all remaining CS opportunities are just stupid and 
>> 	straight-forward COBOL and SQL programming, which even a stupid 
>                         ^^^^^     ^^^
>> 	high-schooler may excel in 2 weeks.  So even you get an univ. degree,
>> 	you don't deserve high pay in these jobs.
>> 	
>> 	Too bad, but that's the rule of games in HK.
>> 

>The reason why MAC is not popular is that the price is pretty high and the supply
>of software is not enough. You know, HKers (including me) like to copy the software. If the black market of software is not enough, why we need to buy a MAC, we can just buy a PC instead. So the MAC is not popular, of course we know
>MAC is a good stuff..

    Yes, true, at I least I would.

    However, I wonder whether Mac is suitable for everyone.
    If U are looking from the user level, no doubt that Mac is a very good
    choice. They have very good graphic interface and easy to use.

    If U are looking from the programming level, U will find PC is more flexible.
    A typical machine like Mac plus, OS is stored in ROM, there is no way U could
    change your machine's OS to other OS(like UNIX or MINIX). In PC(or others),
    U may.
    Moreover, Mac's interrupt handler is so good that U don't know where is the
    problem. When your program got a problem(like page fault or ???), a very
    nice dialog box will prompt U to restart. And U will never know it is
    because your program find a page fault and .....


>Morever, I can only agree one of the points of the stupid jobs you have mention.
>COBOL is stupid, I agree, but SQL is not stupid, since it is powerful. So there
>is no problem to write SQL program but it is stupid to write COBOL program.

    Agree, but writing a SQL program is not the hardest part.
    The hardest part is how U end up with a good data model that really fit
    the company.
    I am not sure whether everybody find it's hard, I am.
    I have seen some company's info system is so messy that I don't even know
    how to start. They got a lot of redunant infos stored, and procedure of
    backorder is much     complex than lamda calculus.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Ronald Chat
    Computer Science, U of Auckland
    hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

	"NZ is not a state of OZ"
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:53:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 119 men and 86 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
From: ez001015@astro.ucdavis.edu (Lt. Cmd. Van Ly)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Chinese Word Processor
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:44:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez001015@astro.ucdavis.edu

I've come to notice that there are several Chinese Word Processors out there. 
I would like access to one and would appreciate any information.  I 
currently am operating an IBM 386SX.

Thanks.
From: tcheung@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tak Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The name of book about China culture
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:02:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A minor note, Sun Lung Kei was a Ph.D. student at Stanford.

Interesting personality, he and I were at Stanford about the same period.

Unclear his current whereabout.

He wrote a number of books about differences in western and Chinese
culture, and a bit controversial.

Does anyone know where he is now ??

T. K. Cheung
From: Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM (~{;}5$Da~})
Subject: Cantonese news worldwide via [Taiwan] shortwave radio
Organization: AT&T-BL, Naperville IL, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:17:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.shortwave,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.hongkong

[I forgot to crosspost this to soc.culture.hongkong originally... Note
that it is a source for you to listen to news one hour nightly in
Cantonese receivable throughout the world.  You can buy shortwave
radios at many stores.]

>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 18:25:34 GMT, stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) said:

Shuoh-Ren> I like these news from Taiwan. Around Buffalo, I can not
Shuoh-Ren> receive any TV news from Taiwan. Last week I went to
Shuoh-Ren> California and I saw Taiwan's news on TV. It is so nice.

If you have a shortwave (Duan3Bo1) radio, you can hear more Taiwan
news then you can ever handle.  You will hear exactly the same news*
as you would in Taiwan, broadcast simultaneously around the world.
You will even hear local Taiwan highway traffic reports every 10
minutes.  This is Zhong1Guang3 Xin1Wen2 Wang3* (Mandarin).  Also you
will hear "the Voice of Free China" (Zi4You2 Zhong1Guo2 zhi1 Sheng1)
broadcasting in Mandarin, Cantonese, English, and Taiwanese
(Min3Nan2Yu3), etc.  In North America try listening around dinner time
on 5950, 9680, 11860 kilohertz; in Europe: 21720, 17750; in Australia:
9765; in Japan: 15345, 7130, 9730, 11745. There are several other
regions/languages it broadcasts to/in. Write: "The Voice of Free
China, P.O.Box 24-38, Taipei, TAIWAN, R.O.C" for a schedule.  (They
don't also tell you the schedule of Zhong1Guang3 Xin1Wen2 Wang3*,
though.  But it uses the same frequencies.)  The asterisks (*) above
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ramasws@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (SESHAN RAMASWAMI)
Subject: Help ! N Y Giants fan looking for "air" time in HK !
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:54:21 GMT

I'll be moving to Hong Kong this Fall, and would be grateful if someone 
could tell me if there is any way in which I can follow the N Y Giants and 
other American pro and college football teams in HK ?  Is there cable TV or
a satellite hook-up arrangement that carries live coverage ?

Please reply to SESHRAMA@UFPINE or SESHRAMA@pine.circa.ufl.edu.

Thanks much.

Ramaswami
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: New Discovery of Element
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:03:43 GMT

>OK, let's put an end to this.  The guy didn't write the article, I've
>seen this a long time ago in USENET.  Yes, there is a companion one
>that has MAN as element, and if I can find it, I'll post it to "balance
>it out" alright?

Two wrongs do not make one right.

>Why are people so uptight in this group?  I don't believe in anything so
>sacred you cannot make fun of, or else we cannot say anything about our
>government, religion, minorities, abortion, and the list goes on.

Real humor are those that everyone laughs and none is offended.
But this is third class silly talk that "building your fun on
others hurt".  Charles has present a good point.  You can get
fired for this because you are making the environment unproductive.
Sure you can do it, just be prepared for the consequence.
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:56:50 GMT
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

 william@acci.com.au (William Lo) /  6:08 am  Jul 28, 1992 /
>In article <1992Jul27.070447.13769%onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw>, onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw (H.Samual Wang (035)715131-4398) writes:
>|> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>|> > >|>>>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>|> > >|>>>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
>|> > >|>>>             ^^^^^^^^^
>|> > 
>|> > Some back sounds: why is that?
>|> > 
>|> > Many chinese men are still kind of "conservative," this is only one of
>|> > the important reasons, if not the most decisive one.
>|> I had a conversation with one of my Canadian friends (female) years ago on
>|> topic like this.  She said that from the western point of view, Chinese
>|> women are attractive to western men, but Chinese men are not attractive
>|> to western women.  Sigh! I am a Chinese man, unforturnately.
>|> S.W.
>
>       Well, just what kind of western women your friend was referring to?
>If she was saying Canadians, I'll forgive her and have no comments.  But the
>fact is, chinese guys(or should I say Hongkong guys here?) do appeal to
>women of ALL sorts although I wouldn't call it always.  It's not very fair
>te make such a conclusion anyway and my gal friend who is an Italian will sure
>be the first one I know to disagree.  But I admit gals' thoughts are basically
>much more complicated.  Try posting a questionnaire to other soc.culture.'s!

>---Cheers,
>       Bill Lo

>----------

Hmmm, How about putting in this way. Usually (of course, there are exception),
boys pick up girls. Chinese boys(or men) are shy compare with Western (the
different even bigger with afican (no race commant, it is an accepted fact,
they are more open in sex, I mean those born in afica). So, Chinese boy get
less chance. 

From my experience, when I went to disco organised by other student societies
(say italian or franch). Their boys would invited any female to dance. In our
disco (organised by Hong Kong society), most boys just sat there and talk, 
even there were lots of girls sitting two tables away. The floor was empty
at least half the night. Whenever a slow came up, the floor were cleared.
 Yes, there are exception. Those boys have girl friends, any race easily.

About the base note, I think that kind of behaviour are generally accepted
for woman (if she is not your wife, mother, etc, and not yourself). If a
man acted in that way, he may be branded as "just like a woman". I am not
saying this is good or bad. No woman has all of these behaviour. But you
can find it in a woman easiler than in a man. The behaviour of man and
woman have been rooted in our mind. If someone put on lip stick, done
their hair, high heels. Nobody would felt strange if that was a woman.
For a man, a bit strange and then say to myself, "O.K. he can do that".

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