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From: glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B. Glater)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Can you mix GatorBoxes and FastPaths?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:07:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jstevens@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 00:34:19 GMT

In article <13686@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jstevens@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Jason Philip Stevens) writes:

  >We just tried putting a GatorBox into our strictly FastPath environment
  >with discouraging results.  When attemoting to use an AppleTalk tunnel,
  >the GatorBox wants to connect to port 910 on the FastPath, which apparently
  >is not what the FastPath expects.  Ergo, it doesn't work.  Does anyone
  >know if this is fixable, and if so, how?
  >
  >Thanks in advance,
  >
  >-jps
  >-- 
  >Jason Stevens			Internet:  jstevens@bcm.tmc.edu
  >Network User Services		Voice:  (713) 798-7370
  >Baylor College of Medicine	Opinions expressed are mine alone.

The IP tunnels that the Cayman GatorBox uses use UDP port 910 for
communication.  The FastPath does not.

There is no industry standard specifying which UDP port to use.  I can,
however provide the following chart:


	Uses port 910				Doesn't use port 910
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Cayman GatorBox				Shiva FastPath 4
	Cayman GatorBox CS
	Cayman GatorBox GX

	Compatible Systems EtherRoute

	Farallon StarRouter (not yet shipping)

	NetMinder EtherTalk from Neon 
	(decodes port 910 tunnels)
	
So, while there is no right or wrong way to do this, it sure seems 
like a "de-facto" standard has been chosen for AppleTalk-in-IP 
tunneling.

Any questions can be directed to support@cayman.com or glen@cayman.com.

Glen


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP 6.0 on Ultrix 4.2A
From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:10:45 GMT

A quick question; does the packet filter problem that exists when running
CAP 6.0 PL100 under Ultrix 4.2A also occur under 4.2A, or does 4.2A have
the patched net_common.o and pfilt.o?  I would think it does, but it would
help if I knew for sure.

Thanks in advance,
-nhy



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From: brianb@wc.novell.com (Brian Bulkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Abusing laserwriters, help!
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:02:24 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.

Hi Mark, direct mail wouldn't send (some problem on my end...), and
I think this discourse might help someone out there anyway, so
here's a few thoughts on Printer Accounting...

Netware for Macintosh, v3.01 and up, has print accounting and security.
The security method is that we require an AFP session be opened to the
print server with the queues, and we use Netware accounting methods
to keep track of charges.

So, you buy one copy of netware, and advertise all your print queues from
it. Assuming you run phase II, you can have queues advertised from different
zones from the same server. Students must print through the queues due to
printer hiding (not very secure, but pretty darn good). You have to create
usernames, passwords, administration for all those students on that netware
server :-(!

Since the single netware server can accept up to 25 connections for a single
queue at a time, this might also decrease waiting, but the students would
have to be aware of the queue, and you have problems with error notification -
(queue gets jammed due to lack of paper, nothing comes out, student with job
that errored gets notification on their mac, but they ignore it, everyone
else starts howling....)

Anyway, maybe it's a solution you should look into. It ain't cheap, but neither
is your current situation.

BrianB

I

In article <1992Jul28.093133.23239@ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, Mark Andrew Hacker <hacker@uts.edu.au> writes:
> 
> I have had this problem for some years now, and everywhere I look there
> is no real answers to the problem. In a University (or any institution)
> where there are Laserwriters, students tend to abuse the right to print.
> 
> I need a workable solution to this problem. I am using Access Managed
> Environment (AME) security software to discourage "outsiders" from using
> our facilities. But, it's our own students who constantly print (we
> printed in the last semester about 60,000 pages!).
> 
> The only product that had any hope was one called Printguard. This was
> the best solution so far. It was a system of key-disk protection. You
> gave (sold) the students key disks with say 50 prints on it. Each time
> the Mac printed Printguard would ask for a key disk, and then deduct one
> credit from it. This way we could give our students a set amount of
> prints, and when used up they would have to purchase more credits
> (disks). Problem, the company has "shelved" the project so far, and no
> news on it ever getting finished.
> 
> Any ideas anyone? If someone has a product, I know they would make some
> real money out it.
> 
> Thanks for thinking about this one.
> 
> .
> Mark A. Hacker
> Design Computing Unit
> School of Design
> University of Technology,Sydney.
> Australia
> Phone (02) 330 2917 Fax (612) 330 2933
> Alink: AUST0475     Internet: hacker@uts.edu.au
> 
> 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: trier@slc6.INS.CWRU.Edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Subject: Re: Summary: Aufs Mac -> Unix copies and CR -> LF conversion
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:57:35 GMT

In article <Brr8un.2qK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) writes:
>I agree that Aufs should be patched to convert CR's in all Mac 
>TEXT files when dragged to Aufs volume...

It seems that this conversion should not be done by modifying the server
code.  If anyone wants to do this with lots of bells and whistles, it would
be nice if the types and suffixes to be converted could be specified in a
configuration file, perhaps kept in each user's home directory.

For reference, no, I'm not going to implement this.  CR to LF conversions
have never been an issue around here.  Maybe this could be done by someone
for whom file conversion is important, though, since it could solve some
administration headaches.

-- 
Stephen Trier        "Think of an RT as a large coupon..."
CWRU IRIS/INS              -- Irene Fung, describing a Sun trade-in deal
trier@ins.cwru.edu
From: kee_nethery@IRL.COM ("Kee Nethery")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Upgrading to Phase II an
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:59:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


        Reply to:   RE>Upgrading to Phase II and S
1. Configure the routers to act as Phase 1 Phase 2 transition routers.
2. Convert everything else to Phase 2 at whatever pace you desire. I suggest
you take the servers and services and convert them to Phase 2. This will give
Phase 1 users an incentive to convert ASAP (better performance).
3. Use something like interpoll to see when all the phase 1 users on a
particular net are Phase 1. When that day occurs, kill transition routing for
that particular network.

Kee_Nethery@irl.com
From: violet@HOPI.DTCC.EDU (Violet Hung)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: to subscribe
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:52:16 GMT
Organization: The Internet

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From: trier@slc6.INS.CWRU.Edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Subject: Re: LaserWriters and authentication
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:47:30 GMT

In article <14hegkINN9k1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> johnroc@cats.ucsc.edu (John Rocchio, (x3511)) writes:
>We are looking into ways of integrating printing from Macs with Unix
>based Kerebros passwords.

We did this by using CAP.  Its AFP and PAP servers support a -X option
for authentication; we modified the AFP server to check the user's name
and password against the Kerberos database.

Note that you don't get any added security by using Kerberos in this case,
since the password gets sent from the Mac to the AFP server in plaintext.
It is just a convenient way to store lots of user ID's and passwords.

-- 
Stephen Trier        "Think of an RT as a large coupon..."
CWRU IRIS/INS              -- Irene Fung, describing a Sun trade-in deal
trier@ins.cwru.edu     
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: goodill_eric@tandem.com (Eric Goodill)
Subject: Summary: Aufs Mac -> Unix copies and CR -> LF conversion
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:56:44 GMT

Hi,

I recently asked about why Mac -> Unix Aufs file copies didn't do CR -> LF
conversion like to docs said it would, while Unix -> Mac copies did do LF
-> CR conversion correctly.  I have two answers.

First, there was some pilot error involved in that the docs do state that
the Mac type must be "TEXT" and the creator must be "unix."  I changed the
creator to "unix," and all worked fine.  While this works, I wish that it
would convert a wider range of file of type "TEXT" (if not all of them).

So, second, the following was sent to me by Dan Sahlin who has figured out
how to modify Aufs to do this.  I think this (or something like it) should
become part of the standard patch set.

Below is the message I recevied from Dan about how to modify Aufs.  I have
not tried this yet myself.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

In the file aufs/afposncs.c you define how various files are converted.
We have changed in aufs so that all TEXT files are converted except
files ending with .raw, .gif, .tif and .tiff.

Our conversion table looks as follows:

NCS_TransTable ncs_transtables[] = {
#ifdef FULL_NCS_SUPPORT
  /* TEXT files ending with .raw, .gif, .tif and .tiff are not translated
*/
  NCS_entry("Raw",".raw",NCS_AND,NULL,(byte *)"TEXT", NULL, NULL),
  NCS_entry("GIF",".gif",NCS_AND,NULL,(byte *)"TEXT", NULL, NULL),
  NCS_entry("TIF",".tif",NCS_AND,NULL,(byte *)"TEXT", NULL, NULL),
  NCS_entry("TIFF",".tiff",NCS_AND,NULL,(byte *)"TEXT", NULL, NULL),
  /* ISO 8859-1 latin1 */
  NCS_entry("ISO 8859-1 Latin 1", ".latin1", NCS_AND, NULL, (byte *)"TEXT",
            to_latin1,from_latin1),
#endif
  /* ASCII */
  NCS_entry("ascii", NULL, NCS_AND, NULL, (byte *)"TEXT",
            to_ascii, from_ascii),
#ifdef SHORT_NAMES
  NCS_entry("pc-ascii", NULL, NCS_AND, (byte *)"unix", (byte *)"TEXT",
            pc_to_ascii, pc_from_ascii),
#endif SHORT_NAMES
  {NULL}
};

This has worked fine for us for several years now.

        /Dan Sahlin, SICS, Sweden, dan@sics.se

--------------------------------------------------------------------

End of Dan's message.  I hope this helps some of you out there.

Cheers, Eric
Eric Goodill, goodill_eric@tandem.com, Tandem Computers, Cupertino, Calif.
From: MacClust@MNBSUN.PHY.QUEENSU.CA
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: help installing CAP on AUX
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:34:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Hello network gurus:
We have just recently installed A/UX 3.0 on our Quadra 700.  We would like
to be able to print straight to a Laserwriter that is ethernetted to
a UNIX net of SUNS etc. from applications like Mathematica.  It is my 
understanding that CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package) will do this for us.

My question is: Is there anyone out there that has recently done this
(installed CAP on a system running A/UX) and would be willing to give
a neophyte some tips.  Or is there a depository of information (other than
the stuff that comes with CAP60) that would make things slightly more clear.

I am wondering if I should just bulldoze my way through the installation
and fix that which does not work, or should I know any tricks before I
start that would make the process less painful.

Thanks in advance.  I will summarize to the net anything I receive.

-Dale Swanston
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario
From: frank@cssc-woll.tansu.com.au (Marzano Frank)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Selecting a laserwriter from Chooser
Summary: Can't seem to select a laserwriter
Keywords: chooser laserwriter printing
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:57:23 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centre, Wollongong, Australia


I am using a MacIIci running system 7.0. I am having trouble selecting a laser-
writer on my local zone from the Chooser. In the Zone window I have heaps of 
Zones from all over the country. When I choose a remote zone and select a 
laser writer the laser writer is highlighted. Next time I look at the chooser
the same laser writer is highlighted, as you would expect, and that's OK. 

My problem is when I try to do the same thing to any printer on the localtalk
or EtherTall net it doesn't stay selected next time I open the chooser. I have
tried this from a mac that was directly connected to the laserwriter by a daisy
chain and it still didn't work.

Some things that might help are that there are 5 Zones, I am using a Webster
MPG connected to Ethernet. I have 12 printers in the chooser window. Prints wor
k to other zones that are through the MPG. I can use appleshare to login to a
server.

I'm at my wits end. My apple reseller suggested that there was a crook PhoNet
cable, but that doesnt coincide with me being able to print to other zones.

Please mail me if you have any suggestions.

Frank Marzano
Lan Administrator Telecom Australia Customised Software Solution Centre 
Phone 042-211123			Wollongong
Fax 042-291021	International +61 42 291021
e-mail: frank@uranus.cssc-woll.tansu.com.au
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jbotz@sophia.smith.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Two CAP AUFS servers on same machine in diff. zones?
Organization: Smith College
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:50:20 GMT

Is it possible to have two CAP AUFS servers running on the same
machine in different zones?  I suspect not... but could this
possibly be accomplished by modifying "atis" and running two of
them?

   - Jurgen Botz
     jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
From: sproule@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William J.  Jr. Sproule)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Two CAP AUFS servers on same machine in diff. zones?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:34:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul30.105020.26172@sophia.smith.edu>, jbotz@sophia.smith.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
|> Is it possible to have two CAP AUFS servers running on the same
|> machine in different zones?  I suspect not... but could this
|> possibly be accomplished by modifying "atis" and running two of
|> them?
|> 
|>    - Jurgen Botz
|>      jbotz@mtholyoke.edu

I am doing this on a SUN IPX with 2 Ethernet Interfaces.  
I have two aarpd's, atis's, aufs's running, one on each interface.
Each set of CAPs binds to different NIS domains.  One side is
on our 'DormNet' network, and that CAP process binds to the 'dormnet'
domain, consisting of students in dorms.  The other side binds to the 
'cit' domain, which serves the rest of campus.  To avoid UDP 
conflicts, one domain has the at-XXX WKS in services, the
other does not.  I added an option and a library to bind
to the correct domain, i.e.:

$CAPDIR/aarpd -y dormnet -l $LOGDIR/aarpd.dormnet.log le0 DormNet
$CAPDIR/aarpd -y cit -l $LOGDIR/aarpd.cit.log le1 PUphase2
atlook -y cit somezonename

Yea, alot of people are cringing right now, and it is ugly, but
I needed a way to support two domains with cap at one time.
But it does work.  To add a third set of CAPs, add another domain.
This does work on a single interface, so it may take care of
the problem with multiple zones.  If you are interested, I can
give you the code.  Basically, it is a couple of routines,
a new getdomainname, and 3 or 4 lines of extra code in each application.

-b

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From: dave@isye.gatech.edu (Dave Thurman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP problems.  Please help!
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:26:31 GMT

I've inherited a system administration job for the summer that includes a
network of approximately 100 Suns, Macs, and PCs.  A Sun fileserver is
running the CAP programs (atis, lwsrv, aarpd, etc.) to set up spooling
for the Apple LaserWriters and handle printing from all the above machines.

Things have been operating pretty smoothly for quite awhile, until today.

All of a sudden, we are having problems printing from the Macs.  We
get messages back from the PrintMonitor like

Unable to print document " " because of communications failure.

When I look at the spool directories in the Sun, the error files
contain messages like:

papif: Starting job for root@isye at Wed Jul 29 15:50:07 1992 on
printer ISyE -
DO NOT USE - 113:LaserWriter@*
open: /dev/enetXX: Device busy
papif: PAPOpen returns -1098
open: /dev/enetXX: Device busy
papif: PAPOpen returns -1098
papif: Problems finding ISyE - DO NOT USE - 113:LaserWriter@*

In addition, there seems to be a fair number of 0/1 byte jobs being
sent to the printers as a result of the laserwriter server software
that invariably hang the printer until such time as we notice them and
clear them from the queue.

Anybody seen this before or got any ideas about what might be wrong?
Like I said above, this is a new problem, although we have been
running CAPS for a long time now.

Please email responses, as I don't normally read this group.

Thanks,
dave








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From: jqj@duff.uoregon.edu (JQ Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Mac tools for manipulating CAP files?
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:30:29 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Given CAP (actually, I'm only concerned with aufsd) in the standard
configuration, I'm looking for tools that allow Mac users to more easily
manipulate Unix files.  In particular, whether or not NONXLATE is set for
the CAP server, an application that writes out TEXT files (e.g.  Word or
TeachText or your favorite editor) is going to write text files in Mac
format, with its own favorite creator (mswd, ttxt, or whatever), CRs
delimiting lines and so on.  I'd like tools that made it easier for Mac
users to edit files totally within their Mac environment that are going to
be read by other Unix applications.

I rather like the standard aufsd behavior of not converting arbitrary
TEXT files on read or write; this allows easy transfer of Unix binary
files.

One thought I had is a Mac application that is an analog of m2u -- that
takes TEXT files with arbitrary creators, converts CR to LF, maybe does
some other translations, and sets the creator to "unix".  Anyone have such
a (simple) beast?

Alternatively, any other suggestions for tools that will allow a naive
user to stay in the Mac environment but manipulate Unix text files on
a CAP server?

-- 
JQ Johnson
Director of Network Services		Office: 250E Computing Center
Computing Center			Internet: jqj@ns.uoregon.edu
University of Oregon			voice:	(503) 346-1746
Eugene, OR  97403-1212			fax: (503) 346-4397
From: moyman@ecn.purdue.edu (Mike Moya)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: PAP and LWIIf/g help needed
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:03:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Engineering Computer Network

Any reason why I can't do the following. It won't work for me and I don't
understand why (I tend to look at things a bit simplistically). Don't
worry about error codes for this example:

initlizia, etc...
err = PAPOpen(&cno, LWtr, rflowq, &status, &ocomp));
sprintf(chstr, "serverdict begin 0 exitserver\n (%%LocalTalk%%) <</L
ocalTalkType (%s:LWtr)>> setdevparams\n", prname);
err = PAPWrite(cno, chgstr, sizeof(chgstr), 1, &wcomp);
PAPClose(cno);

As you can see I am trying to start up a spooler by renameing/type the LW
first off (and not having much luck)... The real code goes through without
any errors in the PAP calls but the name and type of the LWIIf does not
change. Any ideas? Any code floating around out there that shows an
example?
--moya

--Mike Moya
--Macintosh Systems and Networking
--Engineering Computer Network
--Purdue University
From: hic@vision.auc.dk (Henrik I. Christensen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: AUFS servers slowly die
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:44:33 GMT
Organization: Laboratory of Image Analysis, University of Aalborg

We have had the same problem with aufs. Our problem was related to
electronic noise interfering with our FastPath. You might notice that
the problem is periodic and hence try to move your router to anothe
rlocation where it is less likely to have interference.

Henrik
hic@vision.auc.dk
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From: canuck@masc.rice.edu (Mike Pearlman)
Subject: Network Configuration Questions?
Organization: Dept. of Math. Science, Rice University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:42:55 GMT


I need recommendations on the best way to configure our appletalk network.
We have an ethernet with multiple IP subnets on it. In each subnet are
Unix/Cap hosts. We also have Macs running phase II on each subnet.
There is a Fastpath 5 on the cable with NO localtalk attached and
two fastpath 4s (with 4.1 proms) acting as localtalk to IP routers.
I need to a beginners explanation of what the atalkatab should look like
on this type of cable as well as the appropriate atalk.local and etalk.local
files for CAP. For sake of argument assume the following
	1) Ip subnets are 128.2.1, 128.2.2 and 128.2.3 with subnet mask
	   255.255.255.0 and we use the 4.2 type of broadcast address
	   namely 128.2.1.0 and 128.2.2.0 and 128.2.3.0 for each of the
	   subnets respectivley.
	2) the fastpath 5 is attached to subnet 128.2.1 with no localtalk
	3) the fastpath 4s are attached to the other subnets and each has
	   a localtalk network connected to it.
	4) There are multiple cap servers on each subnet
	5) we are free to assign new subnets to contain the fastpaths
	   if this is recommended
	6) we control assignment of the addresses to the nodes on our
	   network including the fastpaths and appletalk

Sample atalkatabs and atalk.locals and recommended configuations for the
fastpaths would be most welcome. Please reply directly to me by e-mail
and I will summarize.

thanks

michael pearlman <canuck@rice.edu>