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From: tim.burton@cutting.hou.tx.us (Tim Burton) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SHO Prices (1993)
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: tim.burton@cutting.hou.tx.us (Tim Burton) 

JP.  I thought I would post the the latest price quote I got for a
  .1993 SHO deal...

JP.  1993 SHO (5 speed)
  .        Luxury Convience Group
  .        JBL sound
JP.  ~$22,500 (includes $1300 in cash back which expires 1/5)
JP.  Anyway, I didn't seem like this guy was to interested in moving
  .these SHO's ( he had 10 5 speeds and about 10 autos ) because
 
 
    Seems kind of high for a SHO.  Did this price include TT&L?  Here 
in Houston, there are many dealers that are willing to actually fight 
over lowering the price.  $22,500 sounds right for an automatic and 
Tax - Title & lic.   Go try waving $20,000 in front of the dealership 
face, and one of them will bite at it.  


JP.condition ) which according to the blue book is worth 12.5k.
 
    I would recommend you sell your SHO individually.  You most likely 
get more $$$ for it.  The dealership will state one high price for 
trade in, but will stick it to you in the final price they ask for the 
new one.   .

   - Tim
     Internet: Tim.Burton@cutting.hou.ts.us
 
   P.S. I bought a brand new '91 special edition SHO for $17,000.  
$1000 spoiler and all! :)  Just for kicks I will go to the same 
dealership and see what type of deal I can get for a trade in on my 
SHO.  Just to see how low they will go for a '93.  I will post my 
findings later.  
---
 . 1st 1.01 #1199s . It's SHO time!
                                          
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From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Subject: Honda struts
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:38:05 GMT

	Every now and then I am vividly reminded why I like 60 era US  
cars so much more than these "high tech" wonders of today.
	While getting some new tires on the wife's 88 Accord, I checked  
into the cost of shock/strut replacement.  At AutoSource (Canadian  
Tire's venture into the USA - I think Indianapolis is their first site,  
and I have found their prices to be very competitive) the parts alone  
are about $150.  Their book shows labor for the job at over 5 HOURS,  
for labor cost of over $200!!!  (Struts on the rear too? How  
wonderful.)  We are talking nearly $500 for new struts all around!!!  I  
told the man that I would wait, thanks.
	Has anybody else done this job recently?  The Haynes manual  
describes this job in a way that does not look particularly fun.
	Don't get me wrong - this Honda has been a wonderfully reliable  
car, with not a single non-scheduled repair.  But this experience fits  
with what has become my belief: Although US cars may be somewhat less  
reliable than their Japaneese counterparts, this advantage is  
outweighed by the higher costs of maintenance and repair.
	REAL cars have 4 shocks that cost maybe $15 apiece, and I can  
install all 4 in an hour (or pay $10 each to let the mechanic do it).   
REAL cars DO NOT cost $500 to replace such mundane things as shocks.   
To one raised on US cars, $500 is the range of a major repair, not  
routine maintenance.  Jeeeze, I once got a whole Torqueflite rebuilt  
for $350 (and that was at well over 100k miles).  I guess the only good  
news is that this car doesn't have ABS.  Arrrrgggghhhh!

Jim Cavanaugh
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: RPM meter
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:15:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec29.222149.24042@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, hemant@cbnewse.cb.att.com (hemant.b.bhatt) writes:
|> 
|> What's the advantage of RPM meter?  Can it be useful in anyway?

 Do you mean a TACHOMETER and/or SPEEDOMETER?

 They are both "RPM meters" and can be useful in many ways.

 Speedometers help you to obey the just and legal laws of
 your local, city, state, and federal governments.

 Tachometers help you to obey the laws of physics.
   "What (over)revs up, must melt down."

 Speedometers are more useful for the average driver
 while an automotive enthusiast finds the tachometer
 much more useful.

 The disadvantage to not having either is that it would
 be more difficult and hazardous to get where you're going.

 TRAVIS
From: azirger@micro.caltech.edu (Art Zirger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car Covers - Need info
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:36:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: asterope.micro.caltech.edu

My car will arrive from the factory in about a month, so I'm starting to collect
accessories.  The number one accessory on my list right now is a car cover.  Can
someone inform me as to what characteristics I want to look for in one and also,
I guess, what are the specific advantages to having one.  My current parking spot
is under a carport, but my apartment only has one spot for potentially soon 2
cars.  I'm willing to pay some money to protect my investment.  I was looking in
Motortrend and saw these 3 and 4 layer covers "starting at $110."  They also 
referenced ready fit and custom fit types?  A feature I desire is that I can lock
it somehow.  L.A. is not a pretty metropolis for kindness of strangers.  Thanks.

Sorry if the text is sort of jumbled in structure.

Art Zirger.
From: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:42:39 GMT
Reply-To: mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 18287@pcx.ncd.com, johnl@pcx.ncd.com (John Light) writes:
>In article <1haiiaINNanq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III) writes:
>> 

[ ... pages of wonderful, explicit info on ABS deleted ... ]

>Hope this helps.
>
>John Light

I just wanted to thank you, John, for writing the most informed and complete
post I`ve seen in this entire ABS thread.  I hope everyone takes a good look
at it.  I can`t even think of anything to add.


---
--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com
Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
 is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Subject: Re: Suggestions to replace '82 Honda Civic Station wagon?
Keywords: Honda
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:52:03 GMT

In article <des.63@helix.nih.gov> des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim) writes:
>I've had a 1982 Honda Civic Station Wagon for 10 years and have been 
>generally pleased with it.  Advantages: cheap, easy to park, space in back 
[stuff deleted]
>
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Buy ANOTHER Honda!!!

Jeff

jmh@turing.org

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kaushik@dvorak.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani)
Subject: Alloy wheels for Mustangs
Keywords: 1988 Mustang LX, need alloy wheels
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:00:42 GMT

Hi nettors:

A friend of mine bought an '88 Mustang and wants to fit it with
alloy wheels. The present ones are the ordinary type which 
doesn't really look too good. 

I would really appreciate suggestions on where to find them. I 
am in the Austin, TX area and would like to know if there is a 
way to get cheap used ones or cheap new ones from some stores
or by mail-order.

Please email me directly and I thank you for your response in
advance.

My email address is: kaushik@dvorak.amd.com

Kaushik

 


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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bought a 93 Civic LX 4-door
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:51:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

>[civic stuff deleted]
>
>    --And, on top of it all, you could have bought a superior car from a dealer
>      that is DYING to sell you a Legacy for $12,000, instead of dealing with
>      a bunch of snotty Honda salespeople that you have to wrestle with to get
>      the Civic for $12,000.
>
>don't know about the soob (haven't driven one yet), but fully agree about the
>honda dealers.  over here, no test drive until you've paid up and signed the
>papers (then you can test drive it all you want :-)).  you wanna test the car 
>b4 buying?  sure, we'll start it up and you can listen to the smooth idle.  
>needless to say, i walked.
>lawrence

	i know that ACuRA makes very nice cars and have very nice sales-
	people helping you but HoNDA just plain sucks. i have a friend
	who ALSO recently bought a brand new civic 4-dr and guess what?
	couple days ago, his engine suddenly went off and the steering
	wheel got STUCK! -- then he couldn't control the direction and
	ran into the freeway exit post on interstate-5. it's just
	unbelievable. i guess people go for civic's price and maybe
	the newly-designed 'round shape' but if u want performance,
	get a 4-dr integra instead. :) /tt300zx@u.washington.edu
Xref: sparky rec.autos:30246 rec.autos.antique:374
From: corbetew@cco.caltech.edu (Corbet E. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.antique
Subject: cougar club mailing address?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:44:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Keywords: cougar


Does anyone know the address for the Cougar club of Southern California?

thanks and Season's Greetings,


-- 
Corbet Wilcox
corbetew@alumni.caltech.edu
From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn's Allegedly "Noisy" Engine
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:20:30 GMT


I test drove one this summer (BASE model BASE engine). I had not read a
thing about it. It was quite buzzy. Not terrible just worried that it
would be tiring after a long drive.

Saturn has admittedly improved the situation by changing some motor
mount. I forget if the model I drove had the fix or not. Saturn may of
given into the frenzy even if it was normal noise for this class car.

A lot of folks have not heard the noise because it depends on which
model and which engine and they all may sound different.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: boris@pdx185 (Borislav Agapiev)
Subject: Tire recommendations
Keywords: Tires recommendations Michelin Pirelli Yokohama Lexus LS400
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:51:26 GMT


Well, I got one response from my inquiry about tires for LS400. Goodyear
Invicta GA was recommended. This seems to be a good choice, especially
since it is not very expensive compared to the others.

On the other hand, I was able to narrow my list of choices, so this time
I would like to know others' experiences with these tires:

Michelin MXV4
Pirelli P600 (and P6)
Bridgestone Turanza
Yokohama AVS Intermediate

Also it appears that Lexus ES300 comes from the factory with Dunlop D80V4 so
it might be a reasonable choice. Right now I am leaning toward MXV4. Any
comments and opinions are welcome. I'll try to summarize the responses. Thanks


							Borislav Agapiev

							boris@ichips.intel.com


Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Electric Vehicles
Keywords: electric battery car vehicle solar
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:36:51 GMT

In article <Bzo8yM.HqA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> gpolough@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Gareth P O'Loughlin) writes:
>Hi,
>    We are two engineering students from the University of Waterloo researching
>electric vehicles (EVs). We plan to deliver a paper and an editorial
>presentation in February.
>    We would like to hear as many opinions as possible on the topic.
>However, we will need technical background info, economic feasibiliity and
>marketing information as well.
>    We would appreciate any information, bibliographies or contacts regarding
>the following or any related topics:
>
>- current and future battery technologies (also fuel cells and solar power) 
>- power, acceleration, speed, charging data, and lifetime of EVs
>- economics of EVs, and results of low-emission legislation
>- any social influences or trends affecting EVs or resulting from EVs
>- benefits, disadvantages, or misconceptions about EV related topics
>
>Please feel free to add comment on any related topic... Thanks
>
>Gareth O'Loughlin       gpolough@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
>Rod Cave                rcave@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca

Check with GM, they have been releasing press releases over the past
year or so about their 'Impact' car.  It is intended to meet a law
in CA that says something like by 1998(?), 2%(?) of cars sold by
company x must be zero emision, or company x can't sell cars in CA.
Or something like that.

Also, see December Spectrum (published by IEEE).  The issue is devoted
to EVs.

There is a radio station disk jockey (don't tell him that's what I said
he was!), or program manager, or some such, who has been collecting
information about EV's for about two years.  His name is Van Harden,
and he works at WHO radio in Des Moines (one of 3 or so high powered
AM radio stations in the country).  515-284-1040 from 5AM-9AM Central
time, or 515-242-3500 other times.  He probably could provide some
info on the press releases.  He has been wanting to take a ride in an
EV for quite a while.

-
Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
Des Moines, IA 50325-7077               Fax: (515)224-1352
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car Phones
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:49:02 GMT

In article <78776@hydra.gatech.EDU> ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR Siqing WEI) writes:
>In article 91468,  Goudreau wrote:
>
>|In any case, do you *never* look away from the road when driving, even
>|for an instant?  If never, then how do you deal with, say, turning on
>|the defroster in an unfamiliar car (borrowed, rented, etc.)?
      ^^^^^^^^^
>|
>
>Now wait a second, the way to argue a point is not to try:
>
>I got away once, hence I can get away ALWAYS!
>
>Using your logic, can we say this:
>
>Some people manage to put their make-up while driving, 
>hence it is a safe practice to put make-up while driving?!
>(or you prefer, read newspaper, or whatever your favorate
>activities).
>
>The point is: permitting more distractions to the driver is
>(and will never) be a safe practice!
>
>Wei


Do you mean outlaw defroster on/off switches?
From: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Distribution: na
Organization: NorthWest Citroen Owners


In article 4360@telly.on.ca, evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>Me, I always sorta liked the French logos -- Renault's wierd diamond, and
>especially that dyslexic corporal's chevron used by Citroen. The cars stank
>and the logos said nothing about them or the company names, but they were
>cute.
 
The Citroen logo (double chevrons) was derived from a gear design developed
by Andre Citroen in the first decade of this century (looks alot like the
tire tread design on old farm tractors).  Yes it is a good emblem and it actually
represents something meaningful in the company's history!

As for "The cars stank..."  - you must be confusing Citroens with Citations - a common
problem for N. Americans who have had little exposure to Citroens! :^)

Roland




 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mgr@iti.org (Mike Rother)
Subject: Storing a MIATA - Suggestions?
Keywords: Storing a Mazda Miata
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:38:16 GMT

Miata owners:  Those of you storing your Miata for the winter, 
how did you prepare your vehicle?  Also, how do you cope with 
"no Miata" for several months??
From: rpalmer@Think.COM (Ralph Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Advertising fee and holdback for Probe
Date: 29 Dec 1992 13:54:21 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: basie.think.com

I have relatives that have worked in the car business ranging from
selling used cars, new cars and in the leasing scam.  All the little
extras like Advertising fees, import fees (remember those), and dealer
prep are all crap designed to confuse the customer when they are trying 
to figure out what the damn thing costs.  Of course they don't list the
kick back they get from the manufacturer a couple of months after the
car gets sold, or extra discounts they getting after reaching their 
alloted volume.  The bottom line is that it is very difficult to
determine "dealer cost", and that creative accounting is always used.
Don't feel sorry for a dealer, he won't make a deal where he loses money
(no matter what they tell you)

Here are my rules to follow (with apologies to honest sales people)

Rule #1: don't trust them  
Rule #2: get the bottom line price including all the little extras
Rule #3: make them write it down
Rule #4: get other quotes from other dealer, don't trust them either
Rule #5: walk away if you are being pressured, and don't return
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: audi - luxo-lemons?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:25:45 GMT

In article <mills.725152427@dialup.athena.lkg.dec.com> mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:
>jim.hepworth@canrem.com (jim hepworth) writes:
>
>>I'm thinking of getting a used Audi (83,84,85?) for a second car for
>>just wheeling around in town (non-commuting). I like the styling and
>>handling reputation of these cars, but I hear negative comments on this
>>car as well. The APA (Automobile Protection Agency (Canada)) gives the
>>thumbs down on these car in terms of expensive maintenance, poor gas
>>mileage and high depreciation after three years. The 4000 with the 2.3
>>litre engine is smooth and peppy but cramped. The 5000 is roomy, but has
>>more problems thna the 4000 series. I'd like to hear feedback from
>>owners on how they have liked their Audi, and is it really deserving of
>>its reputation. Thanks in advance.
>>---
>> ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ Pass the token?  How'm I gonna get on the bus if I do?
>>--
>>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
>
>Oh no, I didn't think anything could be worse than my 4000,
>well it's not mine anymore :-) some poor sap bought it.
>
>$1000 for muffler system, $800 for brakes at reputable dealer.
>I shopped around and even Midas wanted 80% of that.
>
>Who ever you spoke to was right on the mark. I wish I did, and even
>then I'll bet I would of been too bone-headed to listen.



It must depend on your locale -- I've had a muffler system and a brake job 
done (not at the dealership) on my 4000. The muffler job was less than half
of your figure, and the brake job about 75%. In Canadian dollars.

-- Brent
morton@prolix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mxm1003@s22.msi.umn.edu (Ram V. Mohan)
Subject: Non-linear speedometer when cold
Summary: nonlinear speedometer - whirling noise when cold
Keywords: speedometer
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:48:27 GMT


I've a 1989 Mazda 323 with about 40,000 miles.   When it is cold
(near zero and below and when the call has been sitting outside
for the night), the speedometer behaves nonlinearly.  When the inside
of the car is still cold and for the first two miles, the speedometer
runs faster with a whirling sound coming off the dashboard, and the
speedometer needle vibrates.  The speedometer shows nealy 60 mph 
even when I am in third gear.  This is on normal city roads, which are
dry and sunny but it is very cold.  After the inside of the car
warms up, or when it has been parked in a heated garage, this thing 
does not happen.  So the problem seems to be only when it is too cold
outside and the car has been sitting in cold overnight.  Is there
any explanation to this problem. Other than this the car behaves
normally.  I am thinking that this could be due to cheap gears and
the cable sticking inside the dash board. 

Any pointers and suggestions to this problem are appreciated.  Is it
anything to worry about?  or is it just one of the bizzare effects fo
cold.?  Thanks