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From: dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky)
Subject: BUTANE - WHAT THE HECK?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:56:16 GMT


A friend of mine who does a lot of over the counter drugs, ie. Robitussin,  
Merzzine, etc....Is now doing butane...

I want to know everything about this you can tell me.  He says he sees spirits  
and believes them to be the spirits of people who have died doing butane.  THe  
reason I mention this is because of the obviously extreme hallucinary effects  
it has.

My question is should i advice him to stop?

Thanks in advance.

--
David P. Potosky
Computer Science Dept.
New Mexico State University
dpotosky@NMSU.edu
From: mtymp06@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ted Vessenes)
Subject: The 'Why use drugs?' Flame bait
Summary: Read it if you want to figure out what it's about.
Keywords: bait, flame, drugs
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: national
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:36:21 GMT

Ok, to start, bonus points to whoever first identified this as flame bait.
It was.  Now allow me to explain what I actually believe about drugs and
their regulation, and why I made the first 'Why use drugs?' post.

I belive that drugs are dangerous (although not as dangerous as I first
thought, as kindly pointed out by the people who sent me hoards of mail. :)
but I also believe that it is not my right to interfere with someone elses
activities UNLESS #1, it influences me (and drug use USUALLY doesn't.  Except
in cases like if the person will be driving the car you are in is drinking,
etc.) or #2, they give me permission to do something.  So in other words,
I may think you are totally in the wrong for taking drugs (which I don't,
make note), but it is STILL your choice to do with your body as you wish.

Many people disagreed with my use of the word druggie, to which I am also
opposed to the use of.  I used it, however, so that people would want to
flame me more.  Now WHY on Earth would I want THAT?

Well...

I am doing an editorial advocating legalization of drugs.  And I figured that
I would get more responses from a flame than from a survery.  Here is why:
In a flame, people respond because they want to prove to you that they are
right and you are wrong.  They commonly will lay large pieces of information
in yoru hands to use, which is not usually the case with a survey.  Also,
since they want to prove that they are right, they will be more motivated to
respond.  And the insults in the flame only compound this motivation.  In
other words, I made this a flame so that I could do an unoffical survey that
would attract many more people than a real survey.

I would like to applogize to anyone whom I have offended by the use of the
word 'druggie'.  Its purpose was to get people more angry (and hence post
and mail back more), but it is NOT my actual feelings.  I AM against the use
of the word.  A little machievellian (BAD spelling error), but it worked,
so thanks to everyone!
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From: bmasel@igc.apc.org (Ben Masel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Museum info wanted
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:08:00 GMT
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Oct  5 18:08:00 1992


I was there 3 years ago. Not impressive, but cheap. Hope they are at same location.
ben
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: New book by Alan M. Dershowitz
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:22:54 GMT

I saw a new book in the bookstore today:

     Dershowitz, Alan M.
     Contrary to popular opinion / Alan M. Dershowitz. New York : Pharos
Books, c1992.
     xv, 398 p. ; 24 cm.
     ISBN  0886877016
      I. Title.
     ocm25-964035

I noticed in includes a chapter on the War on Drugs (against, I would
guess).

- Carl
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:05:02 GMT

pfcouvar@unix.amherst.edu (Peter F. Couvares) writes:
: [...]
: >     Further once a drug has been legalized, people will demand some
: >assurance that they are not being given some poorly made drugs made by some
: >joker in a basement.  Thus, at least for the more chemically involved
: >drugs, the FDA is going to step in and at least liscence and approve
: >its manufacture and distribution.  
: 
: 	The FDA should do a lot -- it should strictly test all drugs for
: purity, safety, and accurate labelling. It should leave the final decsion
: up to the individual, however. In other words, it should serve as an
: advisory organization and not as a prohibitor. Give people all the accurate
: information you can, then leave the decision up to them.

Nope. The FDA should provide testing for those manufacturers who wish FDA
approval of the purity/effectiveness of their drugs. Such testing should not
be required - for any drug. If a person wishes to buy an uncertified chemical,
that should be their choice.

I agree with the rest of your statement.

Bill
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 04:44:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.182219.26267@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
(Howard Black) writes:
>In article <derek.717699686@cs.wisc.edu> derek@lynx.cs.wisc.edu (Derek Z
hn) writes:
>>> diethylamine.
>>
>>Even if it is watched, couldn't this be made rather simply from
>>ammonia and ethyl bromide?
>
>    No.  Any first-semester organic chemistry student should be able to
>tell you why.
>-- 
>   ******************************************************************
>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 



 I really hate to differ with a man who is undisputeably more qualified
than me, but diethylamine CAN be produced from ethylbromide (better ethyk
iodide, maybe) and NH3. The primary, secondary (the desired product) and
tertiary amines have to be separated, but this is not hard really. And for
a reference I give: J. Am. Chem. Soc. 69, 836 (1947).
 Perhaps the mixture of amines produced is what Howard was hinting that
any first semester student should be able to deduce. And probably what
would make them also give up? I don't know. Any second semester student
would tell you it COULD be done, BUT...

St. Anthony

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 06:26:37 GMT


 OK I guess it's time someone let it out of the bag. The Hole in the Ozone
Layer is allowing the Strychnine Universe to LEAK INTO OUR OWN UNIVERSE. 
 Stories likethis have been popping up with greater frequency. It's as if
they are actually TRUE! No remedy for the leak has yet been suggested.

St. Anthony

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From: glen@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Glen Sonnenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Talking to Kids
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:02:57 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

I posted the following on this group early this week because I thought
it would be a good topic of discussion.  Also, I needed some info.  I
am a little surprised that there was so little response.  I got only
one response that had anything to say and they didn't have kids.  Isn't
there anyone out there dealing with this?  It concerns me that there is
little discussion about this subject given the amount of money and time
that is being spent every day to indoctrinate your kids into quoting
the WOD misinformation.  If this is not addressed by parents then the
school system will continue to educate students that drugs are wrong 
and ultimately, I think, turn public opinion even more against use
of drugs than it already is.  Look how effective it has already been
in distributing incorrect information and heresay.  If anyone would
like to discuss this please email me. 

****

A friend of a friend of a distant cousin would like to know how people 
on the net deal with talking to there kids about drugs?  I know it's
a long shot and this may not be the place :) but is there anyone out there
that smokes MJ and has to deal with kids?  Do you tell them what it is?
If so, when?  With stories of kids turning in their parents this seems
like it could be a problem.  How old were they when you talked to them?
How did you counter all of the hysteria out there?  How did you impress
upon them the importance of not talking about it to their friends?  
How did you talk to them from a anti-WOD stance without encouraging them
to abuse drugs?  I thought this might be a good discussion topic given
that fact that most of the WOD and anti-drug information is being targetted
at kids.  This could have a long lasting effect if it's not countered
by real facts and information rather than slogans.  
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From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Papaver...
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:24:58 GMT

In article <6576@sniff.wfo.dec.com> jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore) writes:
>Yes - they are exposed to radiation to sterilize them. Papaver Somnifora (I
>think that's it) do not grow well in the US that I know of and my only use
>for them is as a novelty. They grow poorly, are small in stature and do not
>produce a large fruit. They ARE a pretty flower with several variations in

They grow (or at least grew) very well in Illinois.  Lots of things
grow well in Illinois.  The Heartland does have its advantages.  Most
states do allow you to grow some limited number of poppies, under 12
or so.
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From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:17:09 GMT

In article <168711EF7.C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) writes:
>Just curious....  I know that during the ninteenth century, ether was
>used in much the recreational way alcohol is now.  Why did that become
>a tidbit from the past?  Did too many people euthanize themselves?

When I was in China we managed to con a guy in the chemistry dept to give us
half a bottle of USP Ether "for killing butterflies." We used this bottle
and some of another one before we quit, mainly due to the almost
unbelievable headache a person can get as a result of doing this for a half
an hour. This is an anecdote, but the memory of that headache has kept me
from doing ether since, even now I am a chemistry major and have access to
it. Yuk.

AS an aside, can anyone offer any insight into the pharmacological action of
ether, perhaps even elucidating the mechanism by which my head came to hurt?

nuke@reed.edu

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From: jrhine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jared Rhine)
Subject: Nitrous : mechanism
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:59:04 GMT

Come on, don't tell me there isn't a single scuba diver out there who
reads this group?  The mechanism of nitrous oxide is same as for
nitrogen narcosis, commonly called rapture of the deep.  When a diver
goes below about 80 ft, they are in "danger" of getting this effect
(actually I know people who go diving JUST for that effect).  The
nitrous buzz is a function of the amount of nitrogen disolved in your
fatty tissues.  You ongas at an approximately exponetial rate and
offgas at an approximately linear rate.  The nitrogen in your fatty
tissues interferes with neuron transmission.  It is indeed inert to
the body, just hangs around and blocks.  It is NOT a function on
oxygen deprevation; divers are still breathing the same amount of
oxygen at those depths.  When a diver comes up, the nitrogen offgases
safely as it is under a lower pressure (divers breath gases at ambient
pressure which at 100 ft is something like 4 atms; when you come up,
you are under lower pressure so the nitrogen comes out).

So now you can go find another source, go look up nitrogen narcosis in
a scuba book.

-- Jared

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:47:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
: I really, REALLY hate to re-hash the old LSD-Strychnine debate, but I've
: recently run into someone I consider very trustworthy who gets LSD from
: people who make it, and she swears up and down that they do indeed use
: strychnine in the process.  She has used four sheets in the last few years

And, how does she know? Strychnine is not used in the synthesis of LSD.
Period - no qualification.   People also swear that they have seen flying
saucers or the Virgin Mary. In neither case does their belief make it true.

: and now has bone marrow deterioration which a doctor attributed to the
: strychnine.  I told her I don't buy it, but I'm not entirely sure now,

I would find a new doctor. Strychnine is a CNS stimulant. It does not
cause bone marrow deterioration - at least, I can find no such claim in
any of my references.

: because  if the people making it do use strychnine, it is conceivable that
: problems like she has could occur after regularly ingesting small amounts
: of what is essentially poison.  Yes, I've read the LSD FAQ many times.
: If anybody has an educated opinion on the matter, I'd like to hear it.

Believe the FAQ - it was written after considering the opinions of many
people with educated opinions. Much attention was also paid to the various
medical studies that have been done - and on practical experience.

I would trust it, before I took the word of some MD who may be swallowing
the WOSD propoganda without question.

Bill
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Non-Drug Induced States
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:26:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hello,
  I'm starting to work on my senior thesis for art.  I'm interested in 
"non-drug-induced tripping" or states of well-being.  I've been looking into
the use of such things by rotating mandlebrot/fractal color patterns (looks
like tie-dye patterns) and also by the effects of stereoscopic (3-d, crosseyed
view, etc) images.  There are other ways to go about this kind of stuff
(I think that Timothy Leary is getting involved with it)  Since I don't do
drugs, it's hard to know if I'm approaching the same results, although things
can still be "funky" to me.
An example of this effect of "pseudo-tripping":
  Once at the Limelight, in NYC I was sitting in a small side dance room.
There weren't too many people in there, this light was shining off a mirrored
disco ball and created hundreds of little lights on the floor moving around.
If I followed the lights around it was alright, but when I stared at one
spot on the floor, it felt like I was flying and spinning around.  If effects
like these are combined with stereo sound (oscillating between speakers..
to cause a rotating effect) total disorientation of the user/viewer will occur.
Do you know of any publications (books, magazine articles, etc) that deal
with this sort of thing?  Any information will be appreciated.
 - Thanks

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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] ibogaine query
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:36:31 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>
>Ibogaine:
...
>Physiological effects: Resembles the harmala alkaloids; can
>cause paralysis, convulsions, and death at high doses.
>
>Psychological effects: Little is known, but the available reports
>suggest that it is like harmaline, but less purely visual and
>symbolic. The images are often of fountains, tubes, marshy
>creatures, white and blue light, and rotating motion. 
>Explosions of rage directed agains the images of persons and
>situations from the past are reported. Childhood fantasies
>are reenacted, and a sense of insight and heightened emotion
>often accompany the images. The drug taker concentrates on his
>inner world and personal past. The effect is easily distinguishable
>from LSD.

     Perhaps the most significant thing about ibogaine is its
potential as a treatment for heroin and cocaine addiction. I've
got some hard-copy articles on this; if I get some time I'll type them
in. (push 'scanner-with-OCR christmaslist).

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From: brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: schizophrenia versus psychopathy
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:09:12 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Sep30.075817.202927@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, pwlbry01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> stuff deleted
> 
>> |destroying a person's ability to reason in a single dose.
>>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Most recreational drugs will do this (alcohol included) temporarily (until the
drug wears off).  The rate of permanent psychosis for hallucogenic drugs is
very low (even considering the sometimes irresponsible usage and the lack of
education about their real effects).

>> Oh?  Perhaps, for the benefit of the crowd (note crosspost) you
>> can name these other drugs.  
>> 
[unreliability of drug therapists]
> 
> a friend of mine, a nurse, spent four weeks as part of her training in an
> institution. one of the more interesting cases was of a girl who had
> without her knowledge been slipped a tab of LSD.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This could have serious consequences for anyone, particularly if they're in
a stressful environment at the time and they're left to fend for themselves; 
They can easily come to believe they have gone insane and never return to
normal.

> i believe this is a case of schizophrenia, and while i have no knowledge of
> the patients past mental condition it is fairly certain that the accidental
> intake of a substance played at least a contributary part in her apparent
> mental deterioration.

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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:48:52 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>I don't know about curing cancer (not!) but low level chronic exposure
>to N2O is not a Good Thing.  The most recent New England Journal of Medicine
>has a study of lower fertility in dental assistants due to the effects of
>nitrous oxide exposure.  Dental offices are unequipped with N2O "scavenging"
*----
That article said nothing about "low level exposure".  In fact, I got the
impression that only people operating with very leaky systems showed the
problem.  The articles that I have that document peripheral nerve problems
fail to demonstrate a causal link, but they, too, were only documented
in people with massive exposure (like a dentist using his own
anesthesia machine for 3 hours a day).

>systems, and the operating arena (the open mouth) doesn't lend itself easily
>to this.  The gas oxidizes B12 stores and a few other enzymes like methionine
>synthase, both of which are essential intermediates in methylation reactions
>such as occur during DNA synthesis during cell division.

>The effects of B12 deficiency were first noted as megaloblastic anemia when
>the gas was administered in subanesthetic doses as an analgesic over the
>period of several days.  Acute exposure to an individual patient under
>anesthesia probably isn't a big deal, but a lot of work has gone in to
>developing systems so that operating room workers who are there every day
>are not exposed to even low levels of the gas for the aforementioned reasons.
>There is every reason to think that regular recreational use isn't such
>a great idea.
*----
Can you cite me the source for this?  Credible journal articles
are always helpful, but I can't quote an unknown source.  The B12
deficiency would certainly explain the appearance of nervous system
problems (which makes me wonder if its speculation, coincidence,
or a genuine discovery).
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