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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:30:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Mac can do these...
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> >Oh, Evelyn, stop it! You are killing me...let me pick myself back up off the
> >floor from laughing so hard.
> >
> >-abh
>
> I didn't know my opinions were all that funny.
>
> Evelyn

Now, Evelyn, my sweet, don't get huffy.  -abh is just having a
good time forgetting all she learned in school, her *classical*
training, STS, as a result of which she *should* be able to perceive
that <the lady doth protest too much>.....
--ggs (methinks.....)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:01:00 EDT
From:         "Enamorado de mi Miata" <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: more aggravating stupidity courtesy ggs
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> >ts, you *&%OJ(*#@ you keep your f*()*&*&g sh&$%#@y H)#$@ a#@#%$ our
> >of this discussion.  you just can't keep from *&$ can you?  And this
> >is just *so* typical of a &%$*(*& like you, turning up like this and
> >*&$%ing up this list.
>
> None of the 13! substitution ciphers worked. Explain yourself immediately,
> and KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THAT STUPID SHIFT KEY< YOU LOSER!
>
> Any bet that there will be a damnfool pointless reply to this.
>
> tushar

DAMNFOOL POINTLESS REPLY!!!
.
--ggs (wrong about being nice to ts.... would take more than a
      *beautiful* silver grey Miata with 5 year 100,000 mile
      warranty to make me <want to do that>... or terminal
      STM!)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:17:14 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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> me.  I don't worry about the fattening part....  anyway:
> .
> SWOSM
> .
Cut it out, giggles. This calls for too much brain power.  AND don't rub it
in that you don't have to worry about the fattening part.  Goodness gracious,
*some* *people*....
Doris
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:42:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Old Mail
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> that I didn't delete because I wanted to reread.  I just reread Giggles'
> post-clambake thoughts.  I loved them -- all of them -- including his
> memories of Providence from previous life there.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Thanks, natalie.  I take back what I said about boring.  You knew I
wasn't talking about you.
--ggs
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:59:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Quote of the day.
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>Justice is incidental to law and order.


>-J. Edgar Hoover

     "When mercy is gone
     There's always justice
     And when justice is gone
     There's always law
     And when law is gone
     There's always Mom
     Hi Mom!"

                    --Laurie Anderson
                      (quoted from fallible memory)

     Carol
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:16:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@mvs.cso.niu.edu jim thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Secular Humanism

Don't know who coined the term first, but Pat Robertson popularized
the term. He added "secular" as a means of distinguishing good
god-fearin' folk from those nasty types who, he said, were subverting
christianity by claiming that all values were relative and there was
no absolute set of standards as found in his interpretation of the
bible. He had a nice, uncluttered view of the world--you were either
in christ's camp with him, or you were a secular humanist. Good v.
evil and a nice manichean view of the social order. His proclaimed
mission was to eliminate the creeping power of those nasty devils, a
theme he modified when he ran for prez.  The current buzzword by the
neo-cons for "secular humanism" is "deconstruction" and "cultural
pluralists," who, they claim, are running (or ruining, depending on
your spelling) American universities. Ah, for the good ol' days of the
Red Menace!

Jim (I'm not into decon but I like Derrida) Thomas
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:03:32 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: aggravation
              24 Jul 1992 00:53:07 GMT from <bayla@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

Bayla,
  Isn't there a local 4-year college or university library you could go
to?  Even if it doesn't have the books you want, it could get them for
you through inter-library loan.

Evelyn
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:52:17 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mud/Irc
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> Okay.  But on MUDs you can manipulate the universe (pick things up,
> drop them, describe your appearance, etc. ) without using other than
> a colon for self-reference and the appropriate English word.  I couldn't
> figure out how to do any of this stuff on IRC.

Why couldn't you just use a colon for self-reference and the appropriate
English word on IRC?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:19:22 HST
From:         Michael MacMillan <michaelm@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU>
Subject:      A different kind of matrix, I suppose
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Can anyone on this erudite list give me a capsule summary of what
"matrix management" is supposed to be?

Perhaps better, can anyone point me to any important literature
on the subject?  I think I am about to become the grist of a
matrix mill.

Michael EMacmillan (macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:07:56 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Olympic athletes
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Jill,
 Just think of the toll it takes on these kids who, as you said, only see
their parents once or twice a year.  For two years I taught a young lady who
was being trained for the Olympics, first by Bela Karolyi then by someone
else when her parents disagreed with Karolyi. She was one of the most
mixed up kids I've had, not to mention obnoxious - due mainly to being mixed
up.  Whether she would have exhibited those traits had she not lived and
breathed gymnastics, I don't know.  When she injured her knee to the point
that she could no longer compete she concentrated on cheerleading, which in
our school is more like gymnastics/dance than cheerleading per se.  Of course,
this injury also played its part in her attitude.  One difference is that her
family moved from Florida to Texas so she could train with Karolyi.
 And I had noticed, as you did, how very young these girls are.
 BTW I guess you've heard/read that Karolyi is retiring.

Doris
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Date:         Mon, 13 Jul 1992 13:12:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (52)
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>19) Black Myth about Hillary/Princess Leia (Adam H.)

The Black Myth is a set of beliefs about Eva Peron, wife of the
former Argentine dictator Juan Peron.  She was illegitimate, and came
to Juan's notice because she was a famous film star.  Anyway, there
were those who loved her and what she did, and then there were those
who hated her and what she did.  Myths about Eva are based on the
same things (such as the fact that she was a woman, couldn't have
children, etc), but are varied in what they state.  F'r instance, the
Black Myth viewed Eva as a horrible slut who used her sexual wiles to
ope Juan into marrying her.  It also views the establishment of her
charitable foundation as a direct insult to those ladies of high
society who refused to nominate her to the position of president of
their charity, which was a post reserved for the wife of the
President of the nation.  Anyway, countering the Black Myth is the
Myth of Santa Eva, which believes that she was a noble, virtuous
woman, who adopted the nation's children as her own out of a gushing
unfulfilled maternal love, etc. etc.
	Anyway, somebody, I think it was Bill Sjostrom, compared
Hillary Clinton to Eva Peron.  I thereupon compared Eva to Princess
Leia, a characted in the blockbuster movie "Star Wars", which came
out in 1977.  Princess Leia and Eva Peron both wore their hair in
braids which were coiled above their ears...so, if Hillary Clinton
starts wearing her hair in braids over her ears, then of course she
would be comparable to Eva Peron.


>24) EW FCO (Adam H.)

A command in All-In-1, a software package we have on our main machine
here.  It's a resource hog, and we can't wait to be rid of it, but
we've not found an acceptable replacement yet.  EW FCO essentially
deletes all messages marked for deletion, and then compresses the
database files which point to the actual messages which are stored on
a different disk.

>25) Massachusetts Miracle (Adam H.)

Heh.  This was a period of great economic growth in Massachusetts
spurred on by Michael Dukakis, the Democratic Party's candidate in
the Presidential election of 1988, and governor of Masschusetts while
he was running.  Anyway, without his expert tutelage, Massachusetts
fell to pieces in the last year of his governorship, and Bill Weld
has had to pick up the pieces and try to keep the state running.

The Massachusetts Miracle soon turned into the Massachusetts Morass.

--Adam
more long winded than he intended to be
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:22:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: CNN

>Richard Blackwell is back on CNN. He's so cute, he makes me want to bomb Saddam
>all over again...
>-abh

Hell, I don't need CNN for that.
                      Bill Sjostrom
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Olympic athletes
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:24:26 GMT

>  The
>lead news anchor ... was interviewing a man (whose wife was one of the
non-survivors) 
>to get his reaction.  The man DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE PLANE HAD CRASHED!  ...

>Don, who usually doesn't get upset.


-- YUCK!  From bayla, who knows that such people exist, but doesn't
understand what causes them.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:31:33 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: aggravation
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              25 Jul 1992 12:10:29 GMT from <bayla@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

On Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:10:29 GMT Bayla Singer said:
>I even went to Florida Atlantic U, which will allow me to be a "friend of
>the Library" for $85/yr -- but the privileges there are only circulation,
>*not* their precious ILL.  Even as a faculty spouse up at Northwestern, I

   We'll allow any "respectable" citizen to check books out....assuming
they are brave enough to try to get thru campus police and construction
to the library.  8-)
   But they also do NOT get ILL.  But the public library will do it for
any card holders.  Many come here to do the research and then request the
ILL at the public library or state library, which will also do it for
any citizen.  One of the FEW advantages of living in the capital.

>insisted that I bring in the warm body of my spouse (during ILL office
>hours, 9-5 weekdays) to sign the ILL forms in the presence of the ILL

   We won't give spouses any extra privileges.  And same on ILL.
But we WILL accept ILLs at any hour the reference desk is open, and by
campus mail  or US mail.  We still require that they be BSU folks, though.

>And if there's no Union List of anything, I can't even *request* an ILL,
>since every ILL form I ever saw asked for at least three locations for the
>requested matrerial, and refernces to where you got the locations from.

   We only care that you tell us your source(s), whatever they may be.
If only one, fine.  If only one place has it, fine.  Lots of people are
now telnetting to other catalogs and give us call numbers at other libraries.

>new libraries the way I approach new museums -- what are the goodies, and
>how do I find them?

   Yup.  me too.

dan the liberrian
From: Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
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Subject: Re: RTFM---NOT!!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:34:37 GMT
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>> We also scorn people who actually read manuals because any well-designed
>> software is so intuitive that manuals are a waste of perfectly good trees.
>> -abh
>> Save the forests: buy a Macintosh

>Everyone scorns manuals.  That's what support numbers are for.

>Karen

     Et tu, Karen.  And me with a cat to support.

     The tech writer joke about this is that there are only two
     answers to all tech support calls:  RTFM and ITFM (ignore the...)

     Carol "they're coming to take my desk now..."
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:03:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cars
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> Sheesh.
>
> Why isn't all this automotive business discussed in alt.cars.lemons
> or something... I really miss all the flaming that used to occur on
> the list.
>
> ---ts

ts, you *&%OJ(*#@ you keep your f*()*&*&g sh&$%#@y H)#$@ a#@#%$ our
of this discussion.  you just can't keep from *&$ can you?  And this
is just *so* typical of a &%$*(*& like you, turning up like this and
*&$%ing up this list.
--ggs
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:40:52 EDT
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: catching up s'more
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>ALSO....it seems that NO ONE ever sang the Messiah there.  And where were
>the purported scores?

I brought mine, Dan. Frank, Adam and I quickly went through some of the more
well-known choruses, but didn't get any takers for a general sing along.
"And He shall be call-ed Wonderful, Smarvelous" went through my head for
the next several days. Bill
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:16:21 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Dessert
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:03:02 EDT, "Evelyn Duncan" <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET> wrote:
> We have real bakeries, too:  the ITT Continental Bakery (Wonder Bread
> and Hostess snack cakes) and the Nickles Bakery (Nickles Bread and

Yeah!  *Twinkies*  - real food!  And I *still* never had one my whole
two weeks in RI :-(

G
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:27:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Speech codes

>Jim (down with all speech codes) Thomas

Another interesting twist of the NIU case is that there does not
appear to be any code banning what the kids did.  Or at least, the
administration never said what rule was violated, and the university
judicial officer injudiciously admitted that no written rule had been
broken.  The administration merely announced it was offended.
Stalinism comes to NIU.  And Jim wonders why so many people despise
this place.
                           Bill Sjostrom
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 02:23:25 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: IRC vs. MUDs
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>> Ah tole you and TOLE you, I don't do MUDs! They are just too hard to
>> comprehend.
>> -abh
>
>Hmmm...is it that they are 3-dimensional constructs in a two-dimensional
>space?

If I understand it right, the "space" involved here is one-dimensional.

Can't you take time trips in MUDs? (I don't know - sneer.)

The real reason why MUDs are harder to comprehend is that there is
something to comprehend there. On IRC, if you can type you can already
do a lot of things.

MUD involves investing some energy in understanding what the world is
like - this can be demeaning.


>Otherwise, you just use English words like 'say' 'whisper', and
>cardinal directions for movement....  There is massive help...  No
>arcane commands.

Arcane commands are for those who get a thrill out of them. Seriously
studying the arcane commands IS akin to figuring out a MUD world. But
on IRC it's not necessary to know arcane commands to get anywhere.
Operator privileges, or something as silly as "I can put bells in my
messages!", "I can print things in reverse video" etc are cheap thrills.

Driving people out of channels by being a sheer nuisance (without getting
kicked out oneself) beats kick-out privileges any day.

I am not saying that IRC is somehow something non-trivial, by the way.

tushar
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Craftsmanship
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:45:20 GMT

Hi, gang,

I commend to your attention a story in the July 20th issue of -The New
Yorker- entitled "Do the Windows Open?"  The author manages to catch
precisely the voice of a person who has a paranoid obsession, just hovering
on the edge of sanity, but who speaks in a matter-of-fact tonethat seems to
be utterly reasonable  Incredibly, the story can best be
classified as humor.  I know i kept laughing... the sort of laugh you do
when an eccentric you know does something totally in character.  I had the
feeling that I *knew* this person -- had met her, talked with her, etc..
the character could even have been me, just a *little* bit exaggerated :-). 
 
I read the story once for sheer enjoyment, again and again for "How did
she (the author) *DO* that?!"

--bayla
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:40:00 EDT
From:         "Inamorato della mia Miata" <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Girl Scouts
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> How I wish I had told my father that I couldn't belong to the Boy
> Scouts...the majority of that time was pure misery.  I think I
> belonged to the only kosher troop in existence.
>
> --Adam
> Jewish by blood, Episcopalian by upbringing, and semi-agnositic now

I *hated* Boy Scouts because everyone picked on me all the time and
my mother *made* me go to scout camp every summer.  She felt I was
strongly in need of being <one of the boys>.  In retrospect, of
course, I am glad that I had that experience.  But, I repaid her
surreptitiously by never getting beyond *Star*.  No Eagle for me.
--ggs (Follow the eagle, follow the eagle.......)
p.s.: Isn't that sad.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:57:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: How's Adbam doing/ EAT-L
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> >>to keep a frozen turkey (over on EAT-L)...<<
>
> EAT-L? That sounds like fun. I didn't know that there was such
> a list.
>    I think I asked this question a year or two ago, but I'd
>    like to hear about some of the other exotic lists out there
>    that some of you might know about.
> -Rod

EAT-L is fun if you like to cook.  Interesting recipes come
in batallions, filling up your kitchen in no time.  They even
took an interest in the Neimann-Marcus cookie recipe crisis of
late, but I had to go back to LORE (folklore etc) to actually
retrieve the recipe, where I had found it in the first instance.
LERI-L is a riot.....  people talking about their drug experience
while it is going on.  The CO list is fascinating.... everybody
telling about their first, or most recent, CO experience.
--ggs (who gets around a bit.....)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:30:43 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Quote needed
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:20:34 EDT, "Mama Primate" <primate@brownvm.brown.edu>
 wrote:
> Awright, who said it, and what's the *exact* quotation,
> please:
> "It's a person with a small imagination who can only think
> of one way to spell a word."

When do you need it?  I think I have that *somewhere* in one of my
fifty odd books relating to spelling, or in my files, or in a couple
of theses I've read on the subject.  It may take me a little while
to find...

Meanwhile, have you tried the quotation server on the net yet?
(the details of which I don't have to hand but doubtless someone
will have called it by the time I log on to the appropriate
machine that I keep my list of telnet aliases on...)

By the way, there's been a general trend in the last 200 years to
pick just one spelling for most words within any one country.  When
was the last time you saw someone write "[gaok]" after a funny, hmm? :-)
(It's a sort of ur-smiley, Akio...)

G
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:55:00 PST
From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WHTMIT

>$15,000 to spend on a car?  I'll echo most of Chris's sentiments.  I have
>a '90 Nissan 240 SX, and love it.   Very solid car; its engine is a little
>buzzy at high rpm but it loves to run and it handles great and I think it
>will be a classic in 20 years stylewise.

Alright! I've got a 1990 Z. I almost got the 240ZX se instead, but the Z was at
such a good price I couldn't pass it up.  My very first brand-spanking new car.

Heidi and I just got back from a couple of days at Yellowstone.  Her folks were
there so we drove down.  That car certainly made the drive fast and easy.  Hit
the freeway, put it in 5th and the cruise on 70 and even the hills and curves
don't affect it.  Even with almost 2 hours worth of stops (lunch, fuel,
stretches, etc) we made it from the north gate of Yellowstone to our house (645
miles away) in 11 hours.

>I also have an 87 Taurus 4-banger, which I don't love.  It hasn't been BAD;

Ah, yes.  I should have said any of the 6-cylinder Tauruses.

Chris
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