HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ellen Degeneres (was Re: Margaret Cho Alert!!)
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:24:15 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Dec11.195025.25226@samba.oit.unc.edu>, czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
> In article <168BAAB00.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
> 
>>Because I am gay I would kill to have sex with Ellen Degeneres, and
>>at the risk of starting another round of those dreadful is-she-or-
>>isn't-she threads, is she or isn't she? And what about Paula Pound-
>>stone?
	> I want to know, too!!  
	> (Paula Poundstone--*sigh of admiration*)
	> season
	
	Unless I completely MISHEARD her, I believe Paula Poundstone outed
	herself 2 weeks ago on Garrison Keillor's American Radio Company
	of the Air.  I was too overjoyed, upon hearing it, [in the midst of
	a routine about politics] that I din't get the exact words.  But I
	was making an audio tape and can re-listen to the segment.

	After I listen to it tomorrow, I'll get the words & let you know.

	SD

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From:  eleanor@ironman.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: The House, of course!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.113601.23331@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>|> I'll have to keep my eyes open for this; but as any fan of C&W
>|> could tell you, that genre has been a gold mine of furry faces
>|> for quite some time...
>
>
>Dan, whose enthusiasm for country stops somewhere around Hank Williams (sr.)
>(although I just picked up a Charlie Feathers record that's mighty fine)

John Anderson's new album is pretty darn good--Xmas present from my
sweetie--he has this thing about giving/getting presents early...  And
he's pretty darned bearish, too!  (Anderson, that is, not my honey.)
Yum.


Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:11:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.030649.32173@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas):
> >   Let's turn this around, if the inner sanctum were run by
> > a bunch of libertarians and did some pretty good PR would
> > you feel quite as comfortable? 
> 
> wrong question.  the correct question is: would you march?
> answer: grinding my teeth.

  OK, how about the Log Cabin Club? Shall I keep going?

> this from the twink who describes AIDS as an "immediate
> accidental problem" to be "transcended."

  Boy, oh boy, it's been a long time since I've been called a 
"twink". I'll have to remember this. However, you again fail
to understand that immediate problems do not necessarily imply
that long range principles should be sacrificed to expediency.
  To loosely quote B. Franklin "Those who will give up liberty for 
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Universal health care
just because AIDS is a scourge on the land is of the same essence
as limiting free speech because some hateful punks abuse it. Universal
health care ought to succeed or fail on it's own merits; not because
of any range of the moment problem. Thus it is only peripherally
a "gay issue".
  (And before you start whining, I can think of many solutions
we could do which would be a great boon to AIDS reseach etc. which
do not involve universal health care).
-- 

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From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult (was Re: When Lesbians Kiss)
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek, Unconcious marines, straight friends, Too Out
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:56:06 GMT

In article <1gqhn6INNnm5@cronkite.cisco.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) 
writes about Roseanne:

>	very imperfection that makes her cool; she's got the balls to
>	just be a loud, obnoxious broad, and make a living at it.
                                  ^^^^^
yes, she IS quite broad, isn't she?

season, who wants to know how Roseanne got "balls"

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food 
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.190330.21999@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:

>>When I first heard about this, I thought to myself What
>>sort of food could I share with my coworkers that would
>>represent *my* culture?  

>Too bad you're not a lesbian, or else you'd be able to
>bring in some sort of disgustingly texture-free grey
>casserole made of lentils, potatos, and rice in an
>earthenware container.

Heh heh.  My contribution to Thanksgiving dinner (a dyke
potluck) this year was not too dissimilar, but had plenty
of texture.  It must have been good, for it (not me) was
ravished.  (I had to be content with being ravishing to
no avail. :-)  Recipe herewith, in outline:

Saute finely chopped onions.  Mix wth cooked rice.  I use 2
parts white rice to one part wild rice, but I've made it
with brown rice too, works just as well, about eight cups
altogether.  Add a drained #1 can of red kidney beans.  Mix
in chopped spinach and quite a lot of feta cheese, spice to
taste using black pepper, thyme, a (very) little ginger, or
anything else you like, place in earthenware casserole,
cover and bake in a medium oven about an hour.  For stricter
vegetarians, the cheese won't do, but I've never made it
without the cheese, and it seems to get eaten just the same.
Convenient in another way: leftovers freeze well and heat up
in nukes for later enjoyment.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Are there any "cures" for homosexuality?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:23:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.001847.12913@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>In article <71569@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:
>>
>>Nice try, bucko!  Here, hold my place in the Clue Line,
>>and watch out for meteors.
>>
>
>   If they were *meteorites* Frank, I'd have something to worry about.
>
>   Wayne
>


I'm no astronomer, but I was an astronomy geek as a kid.  I think
they're 

--meteoroids in space
--meteors in the atmosphere
--meteorites as rocks on the earth

So, you could be hit by a meteorite, but only if someone picked it up
and threw it.  :)

--scoT

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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Key West Accomodation and Attractions ??
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:49:48 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, sys0002@dircon.co.uk (Julian Hayward) wrote:
> 
>I'll be visiting Key West in late February and I am looking 
>for any suggestions on good places to stay and to visit.

Call the Key West Business Guild at 800-535-7797 (I assume one can call
such a number from the UK) and within a week you will be floooded with
so much literature on gay guesthouses and attractions that you won't
know what to do with it all.

>I'd like to stay in a gay hotel/guesthouse, hopefully at no 
>more than $100-$110 a night. A pool would be nice and a friendly 
>atmosphere too. I've been told that Duval Street is a good place to stay.

Duval is noisy.  The nicest are just off Duval.  I stayed in the Lime 
House, which was nice, but cannot compare to the beautiful Willows
Inn in San Francisco (thanks Jess) where I just had the pleasure of
a week's stay.  Prices will be within your range.  Prices between
Easter and Labor Day are generally at least a half those during the
"season."

>Can anyone suggest any gay nightclubs, attractions etc. that 
>I shouldn't miss.

Guesthouses will have all that information when you get there.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: pitfalls of foreign languages
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:42:39 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

>> >>...John Kennedy's famous statement "Ich ben ein Berliner" (sp?)
>> >>actually translates into English as "I am a jelly doughnut".  Since Anne
>> >>lived in Germany for years, I think I believe her.  

In article <1992Dec9.155316.8669@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>
>I'm not a native speaker of German. I was told by somebody (who is
>also not a native speaker of German) that Kennedy's error was the use
>of the indefinite article. According to this theory, the idiomatic way
>to say "I am a person from Berlin" is "Ich bin Berliner", and the
>insertion of "ein" makes it refer to the object colloquially known as
>a Berliner (i.e., a jelly doughnut).

There's a similar problem for people from Denmark.

In English, there's a big difference between:

	"I am Danish" and
	"I am a danish"
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:38:22 GMT

> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>Of the people I know, almost all do not view homosexuality as something you
>'are'.  Therefore they cannot be afraid of something they do not recognize. 
>They may not want their child to chose to have homosexual relations, but they
>cannot be afraid of something (the innate homosexuality of their child) if
>they do not recognize the innateness of it. 

I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to
grasp -- unless my understanding of *hetero*sexuality is
equally flawed.  If you and the people you know first came
to a realization of your own sexuality by responding to a
person of the opposite sex, do you consider that it was a
conscious choice to do so, or did it just happen naturally?
If you felt a similar response to a person of the same sex,
but chose to act only on the response to people of the
opposite sex, then perhaps you and your friends are really
bisexual and denying part of your nature.  But that's still
no reason to discriminate against those of us -- gay or
straight -- less gifted...
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Lesbian Avengers
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:12:31 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

This group sounds awesome!  With so many g/ls out there who are
connected in some fashion to our global community, passing around the
schedules of anti-gay people or people on an anti-gay mission ought to
be realatively easy... good work folks!

Tom
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Outed to your parents. - Advice.
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:08:21 GMT


In a previous article, sean_v1@verifone.com () says:

>Hiya'll!  I've got a little problem, and I'm fishing for any advice from such
>worldy people..  I have a friend, who is 17 and Bisexual.  His name is Rick.
>His mother just recently found out about it, and thinks it's just a phase, 
>and suggests he go to counseling..  He's very upset over the whole matter, 
>and his mom has said somethings that are very hurtful to him..   I've got 
>some literature from PFLAG about coming out to your parent's, it has alot of 
>reassuring advice in it, even if it's too late, to have a controled 
>situation..  I was just wondering, if any out there, has words of advice, or 
>even encouregment for my friend..  I'll forward any and all EMail to him..  
>

I would suggest giving some of the P-FLAG materials to his mother...just
maybe it will help her with her insecurities.

Tell your friend that his mother's reaction is not unusual...there are still
some strong cultural problems inherant in finding out a child is lesbigay.
Tell him to give her a little time, and a lot of understanding, and she may
before long come around.

Good luck, and hugs to your friend...he's going to need them...


>
>
>Thanks a bunch!!!
>
>
>Se'an Michael 
>
>-- 
>
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>Verifone, Inc.                   |  and beautiful while it lasts...
>100 Kahelu Ave.                  |  Friendships are like the stars on high,
>Mililani, HI  96789              |  forever burning bright...
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>
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:38:58 GMT

In article <1gvtshINN5is@crcnis1.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:

>soc.motss reminds me of a gigantic cocktail party where one may drift 
>from conversation to conversation ....  Sectioning the 
>group is so...so.... Teutonic!  Must we be so organized?

I doubt that the proposed splits would do much to change that style.
It *would*, however, partition some of the more oft-repeated
discussions and the announcements into a group so those who are
interested in *only* that topic would be able to find it there.
Attempting to get the group to agree on subject or Keywords headers is
oft-proposed, but futile.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Legos
Reply-To: pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:36:11 GMT

I think it's a gay thing. (I'm low on the engineering geek quotient. And one engineering geek lego fan I know is also high on the gay-identified quotient... But I'm rusty at probability.)  But think of it in more functional terms: you can gentrify neighborhoods, build condos, gay bars -- even tea rooms -- with Legos. The possibilities are endless.
Gary.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:48:39 GMT

In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:
>EM Forster:  Maurice
>Radclyffe Hall:  Well of Loneliness
>Nicholson:  Portrait of a marriage (Vita Sackville-West)
>Paul Bowles: Pages from Cold Point
>James Baldwin: Giovanni's Room
>Ed White:  Boy's own Story
>
>this is probably my top 5.

Ahem.  I hate New Math.

--scoT

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:19:47 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
> found Usenet, or later?

A friend of mine suggested that I get an email account.  So I
got my account (July/August 1991), and with the account were all 
these newgroups.  I was sure that alt.politics.homosexuality 
couldn't be the only lesbigay group, so I looked and looked and 
looked, and found soc.motss after an hour or two.  And, believe
it or not, I posted an article that very same day!  My first
article?  Someone had misquoted a Dorothy Parker quip, so I
corrected it.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Summary:  you had to ask?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:24:40 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <Bz8537.I2w@NCoast.ORG> brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:

>There is no cabal--yeah, sure.  Then who sent me my Official Cabal
>Application?

The answer should be an exercise for the reader -- it's a-pod-[d]ictic.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Some Good News from NYC
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:36:13 GMT
Organization: New York University

From the New York Times, Sunday, December 13, 1992, Metro
Section.
   (reprinted without permission)
 
  IN MAYOR'S RACE, GAY VOTE IS APPEALING
     by Alan Finder

The raucous debate over whether New York City's schools should
teach first graders to respect homosexuals, and how they might
do so, has probably obscured other and clearer signs of the 
growing political power of the city's gay voters.

Both Mayor David N. Dinkins and his all-but-certain Republican 
challenger, Rudolph W. Giuliani, have gone out of their way to 
appeal for the votes of gay New Yorkers.

The Mayor tried to demonstrate his commitment last week by 
joining the national debate over a constitutional amendment
approved by Colorado voters last month that overturns laws
prohibiting discrimination against homosexuals.  Mr. Dinkins 
had already said that in response to the amendment he would not 
attend a meeting of the United Stated Conference of Mayors planned
for next June in Colorado Springs.  Last week, he turned up his 
efforts, writing a letter to the mayor's group asking it to 
relocate the meeting outside Colorado.  (He mentioned that 
New York might make a nice alternative).

While the Mayor declined to agree to an economic boycott, in which
the city would refrain from buying goods and services, he did impose
a ban on travel by city employees to Colorado.  The ban, of course,
is largely symbolic, since city officials don't exactly flock to 
the Rocky Mountain State on municipal business.

Mr. Giuliani is also acutely aware of the importance  of symbolism
when it comes to attracting New York's rainbow of voters.  The 
former Federal prosecutor got together two weeks ago with four
Republican City Council members to endorse a proposed city bill
that would enable victims of bias attacks, including homosexuals, 
to seek civil damages of as much as $100,000 from their attackers
through the city's Human Rights Commission.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:08:38 GMT

yorton@turtle11.rtsg.mot.com (James J. Yorton) writes:

<rant about not going to the March because it includes ``non-glb-related
demands'' deleted>

*sigh*

"Can't we all just get along?"

G E T   A   C L U E !

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 psychiatric help." --James Baldwin.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:27:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.191112.15393@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.030649.32173@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>
>> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas):
>> >   Let's turn this around, if the inner sanctum were run by
>> > a bunch of libertarians and did some pretty good PR would
>> > you feel quite as comfortable? 
>> 
>> wrong question.  the correct question is: would you march?
>> answer: grinding my teeth.
>
>  OK, how about the Log Cabin Club?

I would march.  Grinding my teeth, but I would march.

>Shall I keep going?

Please do.

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