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Subject: Telugu Culture Net Digest 39
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:59:56 GMT

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:30:17 EDT
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World Telugu People Network Thu, 13 Aug 92       Volume 1 : Issue  39 

Today's Topics:

      "Andhra Prabha" Weekly
      "My Son" response
      `Ennava' Maata
      A lyric on the eve of Independence Day...
      Conclusion of articles
      Good songs in the film "Neerajanam"
      Help Needed
      Information on book
      JUBV Prasad gaari Jawaabulu Gurinchi
      Last Names
      Positive Response to Last Name
      Rachana telugu magazine complimentaries
      Rayaprolu Gaari padhyamu
      Rayaprolu gari kavitha
      Recent Articles
      Short Stories
      Telugu AlankArAlu
      Telugu Cinee Saahithyam
      Telugu Culture Net Digest 38
      Telugu film songs and raagas. 
      Unique Words in Telugu
      Unique WORDS not phrases....
      Varasalu
      Vavi-Varusalu
      Vivaranalu...

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:02:38 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  13-Aug-1992 0921 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: "Andhra Prabha" Weekly

Sub: "Andhra Prabha" Weekly

Of late, "Andhra Prabha" weekly is very interesting.

Apart from the regular features like Malathi Chandur's
"Javaabulu", Telugu Crossword puzzle, "Sanskruti-
Sampradayam" on socio-religious issues, excellent
thought provoking editorial on interesting topics,
film quiz, interviews with personalities...
on the whole, it is very interesting.
It started to publish stories of famous writers.
In the recent issues, "Poga Leni Nippu" by
Buchhi Babu, Vennela by Ravi Sastri etc are some.

Untanu	Madhu.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1992 22:24:18 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: "My Son" response

>From: "Prasanna, R." <wprrp@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
>Subject: Thappu Yem Undi ?
>
>PILSUTLA YEM UNDI BHAI ?
>
>Arey yendi bhai yi Telugu net ni kooda India -D lekka chesthunru !
>Samasya kaani samasya meeda discussionlu enduku bhai ?
>"My son" ani pilsu kunte aim undi "My wife" ani pilsu kunte aim undi.
>Thappu aithe antaledu kadha !
>Jera mana Desi English yeeda thakleef isthadi anukunta.
>Kaani aa manishi aithe aina porrani leka aina pilla gurinchi chepkuntundu
>kadha ! Mari kirikiri endhuku !
>Pakkintoni Porani gurinchi, Pakkintoni pellam gurinchi cheptha ledu kadha.
>Vine toniki samajh aithe bas , Mata khatham.
>
>PRASANNA
>TX TECH.
Hello Sirs,

Looks like India-D discusses on issues which are not issues. I do not know.
I don't read India-D much. But, as far as this naming issue is concerned, it
may not be a SAMASYA to you. I also never say that it is a SAMASYA. But,
certainly, it is a thing (VISHAYAM) which most of the people do not know.
If it is not an issue really, you would not have bothered to write something
about it. Which ever thing is not to be considered, will be ignored by people
automatically. For some of my postings, I never received any response. That
means that is not an issue. We should not cheat ourselves. Accept the fact.

Some people may not bother about a lot of things. The intentional sound
"My son" indicates a wrong expression which is not natural. It doesn't sound
the common family relation.

This is nothing to do with English. I wrote the mail in English. That's all.
In Telugu, it is "Naa Koduku" and "Naa Kuthuru" . We used to say "Maa Amma"
instead of "Naa Amma". What I want to say is "Maa Koduku" and "Maa Kothuru".

So, it depends who is looking into the issue. Some people like it, whereas
some people do not like it. It does not mean anything.

- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 15:01:43 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: `Ennava' Maata

`ennava' anae shabdamu, migatha bharatiya bHasHalalo kudaa,
laedhani naa abhiprayamu.  Naaku, kaastha Malayalamu, Tamilamu,
vachchu.  Hindi , baaga vachchu.   Hindi lo `kaun sa beta hai thoo'
ani antaaru.  kaani `ennava' ani maata ki equivalent ekkada laedhu ?!



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


`aeluko' (maama nannu aelukora' anae avadhanam prashna avaro ....)
anae shabdamu kudaa telugu lo nae vunnadhi kadhaa ?  the equivalent
idea is expressed in other languages as A PHRASE : English:`take me'
Hindi:`lae lo' ???????

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:16 PDT
From: SARADHI%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: A lyric on the eve of Independence Day...

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Motamarri Saradhi - Saradhi@itivax.bitnet
                  - Saradhi@iti.gov.sg

Saturday, 13th Aug, 1600SST, Singapore.

Vishayam :          Swechha Mapani Julum
                    A small lyric on the eve of Independence Day
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Namaskaram,

After more than 40years of independence, if one analyzes - will
perceive only a degradation of human values and scant regard to
principles. Will it not compell the accounted and unaccounted
freedom-fighters whose flesh and blood have broken then chains
of slavery, to think that the British Rule has not ended?

Chadavandi Mari Ika Naa Kavita -

                   Swechha Mapani Julum
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   Evarannaru
   Evarannaru...
      Telladhorala
      Julum Poyindhani
      Evarannru?

         Tama Rayam Kadani
         Tama Jati  Kadani
         Tama Kanna Heenulani...
            Peelchhi Pippichesi
            British  Mushakarulu
            Vidichipoyina -
            Bharatavanilo -                        || Eva

         Avasarardham
         Akramanakosum...
         Swalabham Kosum -
            Hanthakulu Chesina
            Pichhi Pichhi Chattalu
            Madhandha Paddatulu
            Kalarayaleni Rajyamlo -                || Eva

               Padavi Kosum
               Dhanum Kosum
               Adikara Madam Kosum...

                  Lakshaalanu Marichi
                  Manavatanu  Vismarinchi
                  'Peetagunala nallalu'
                  'Thellalanu' Maripisunte -       || Eva

***


Kruthajnathalatho...   Saradhi

***   end   ***

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 01:07:59 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Conclusion of articles

Hi Friends,

I am concluding the articles that I have posted in the net:

I. Last Names

If we leave the positive response, mainly the negative response is from
three people:

1. Mr. K. Srinivas - He did not contradict the main issue. He questioned me why
I did not implement that scheme in my name. He also did not say whether he would
implement it for his name if I implement it for my name. Hence, this topic is
not for individual names, rather it is for conepts. He also said what is there
in the name. Finally, he says we need not consider this much, as social
equality comes people's minds. He never proved anything against my procedure
or how social equality is not connected with this naming system.

2. Mr. Jasti - He has sent a personal mail. He just wondered that if people
would follow such things, the world would have become Utopia ( something like
that). Because, the world will not become like that so easily, he concluded
that there is no point in talking about these things ( words are not the same,
but the idea behind the words is the same). Then, he joked about "My son"
expression and concluded what is there in the name. No more information to take.

3. Mr. Uday Bhaskar Sharma - He said this topic is not new. But, he did not
say where he heard about this. He said some thing about Vedas procedure which
did not solve the issue or prove anything else. Our friend mostly write about
gothraas which most of the people do not know about it. He wrote something
about casteless people and languageless(??!!??) people also.

He also wrote some points for which I have given the clarifications. He never
why we should not have parents names in our names.


With this posting, I am stopping responding to any mail for this article.
We have talked about this already for 3 weeks. Unless there is some very very
important thing to be mentioned, I will not write anything more about this.
The interested people (either positive or negative ) should read the original
article first and then discuss. Otherwise, there is no point in further
discussion.

II. Vavi Varusalu

My main idea behind this article is that whether we should follow these things
or not. Mr. Uday Bhaskar Sharma wrote something, but never said anything about
these relations we follow. There may be a few exceptional cases, here and there.

Nothing more to discuss about this topic.

III. Expression "My son"

Inspite of some expressions, everybody mainly questioned what is there in the
name. But no said why we can say "my son" instead of "our son".

I was very clear in my original article. Nothing more to say.

The last thing to say - One of the readers has sent a personal mail to me as
follows ( not exact words ):

"You have changed your children names as you have right on them. When they
grow up, they may not like this. What can they do then?"

My reply is :
" I do not know whether 'right' is the correct word. Anyhow, when they grow
up and they do not like this naming concept, they can change their names. I
will always not object for them to change their names. Why talk about last
names. When children grow up and do not like their first names, they can
change their names. Right! It is also the same. Until they grow and make their
minds on concepts, they will have names given by their parents, either first
name or last name."

Thanks for everybody's response, either positive or negative. Ecept for one
crude joke, I have taken everything else very nicely.

No more discussions on this topics, please.

-- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:55:50 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  13-Aug-1992 0920 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Good songs in the film "Neerajanam"

For Telugu film music lovers:

Heard the songs from the film "Neerajanam ?" (1988-89)

Music is by OP Nayyar yes, the Hindi music director !
Melodious tunes by S Janaki and Balu.

There is a lullaby in the film written and sung
by Sri MS Rama Rao - of Sundarakanda and
Hanuman Chalisa fame. (He died around two months back.)

The film is produced by Ramana Murti and 
Sankarabharanam Somayajulu (both are brothers!!)

Their earlier film Abhinandana also has some good numbers.

Madhu.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 15:01:43 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: Help Needed

A cultural show being organized by the members of DTA (detroit
telugu association), includes the following song :-

JAYA JAYA JAYA PRIYA BHARATA JANAYITRI, DIVYA DHHAATRI....

Could someone please reply, as to who the poet of this song is.
(This is not for my knowledge, but that this song will be preceeded by an intro on that song).  All sorts of info on
that song will be appreciated, very much.  Maybe I can get the
DTA to announce that this info is courtesy Mr./Ms. so&so...


question # 2 :-

What is the capital of Dushyanta .  This is a trick question, remember,...

Dushyanta's capital is different in Kalidaasa's shakuntalam, from the origianl
version in mahabharata (as spoken by Vyaasa maharishi).



Please respond.  Again this is for the DTA...  No one here has been able to 
answer this question...
A part of the shakuntalam is being planned as a show, and again the
introduction requires this information...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 19:39:15 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Information on book

Hi Friends,

Some people asked me for the information on Original Article on Last Names.
The details are as follows:

The book name is "Katnam Hatyalni Aapalema?" written by Ranganayakamma garu.
This book has a number of essays.
The second essay is "Intiperl ela vundadam `Nutiki Nuuru Pallu' sarainadi?".
It is about 30 pages in print.
I have a copy of this book.

-- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 14:22:11 EDT
From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Subject: JUBV Prasad gaari Jawaabulu Gurinchi

Jasti Kalyan Babu garu, clear ga, telugu maatlaadae manishi
kaadhu.  laeka pothae, `maa abbai' ki `mana abbai' ki thaedaa
theliya kundaa, englipissu lo renditini `our son' ani
moota kattaru kadhaa ?  JUBVP gaaru, baaga jawaabu ichchaaru.

JUBVP gaaru (nannu SUBS ani pilavandi, typing thapputhundhi),
naa posting ki jawaabu, migatha vaaLLLa ki jawaabulu ichchina
tharavaatha, wraasinatlu thelusuthondhi...

Kopamu, visiku lo, naenu cheppina vishayamau `skip' chaesinatlu
kanipisthondhi.  naenu annadhi amitantae -- mee naming system
india lo chellinchadamu valla chaala mandhiki baadHa kalingin-
chadamu jaraga-vachchu.  mee idea correct or wrong ani parisondhin-
chinatlu, wraayalaedhu.

mee idea, INDIA lo DEFINITE ga fail
avuthundhani, poorvajulu srusHtinchina naming system aendhuku
meeku nachchalaedhani aduguthu ---  vraasanu.

Gotramu system gurinchi, meeru vraasina objections naaku ardHamu
kaalaedhu.

Naenu vraasanu...
>
>This problem was tackled by maharishis of yore.  ANY PERSON
>IN HINDU SOCIETY, IS GIVEN AN IDENTITY (if you read the
>vedas and the upanishads) BASED ON TWO THINGS : GOTRAMU
>AND MAAAMOOLU PAERU.   example : Udaybhaskar Sarma,
>Kaasyapa gotramu, father S.Narasimha Rao, grandfather
>Basaveswara Sarma ..... and so on.
>

meeru vraasaru...

@ the word "sharma" mostly
@ represents a particular caste ( 99% ). A lot of people do not know
@ their gotramu.

@ How can you have representation to grand parents also in your name?
@ I am not understanding anything in your arguement.


mee point naaku chikkalaedhu..  Maa taatagaru paeru, vunnadhigaa,
naenu vraasina posting lo ?!!  iha nunchi, naa paeru, amma, naanna,
talli-tandrula idhdhari vaipu taatalu, ammamma, baaamma(nayanamma),
paeru chebuthae aiyipoyae.  Extending the system doesnt take any
extra moral-weighing at all..

If I meet a person in a bus/train, and we have not met before.  By the gotramu
method, There is a 100% chance that we realize that we are relatives, if we are relatives.

But by your/andhra-patrika method, figure out the chances.

Naenu tooki ga cheppalanu-kunnadhi, idhi -- chuttarikaalu dhebbatin-
taayi, INDIA lo, mee vraasina system prakaramu.  andhukani, naenu
EXPLICIT ga wraasanu """ ONLY IN INDIA. you/your children will have
problems """

naaku inka peLLLikalaedhu.  kaani, univ bayita vundadamu vallla, ABCD
vaaLLLa baadhdhalu, naaku, baaaga parichayamu.

mee pillalau, inkaa chinna pillalu ani bhaavisthunnaanu.  vaaLLLu paedhdha
ayina tharavaatha (older than 16 yrs), you will see how they have
a hell of a time, looking for their ""roots".  vaaLLa friends
andhariki boledu chuttalu vuntaaru.  mana `praachina paerula system'
maarchadamu valla, they will be angry at you for having detached
them ""From their heritage"" -- if you know anything about the
problems of the minorities in USA, you know what I talking about..

gandhigaaru, mahanubhaavudu.  kaani, ayana thana bHaarya-biddalanu
baaaga choosukolaedhani, aentha mandhi annaaru ?!

lokanni baavu cheyyadamu lo, mana baala shishuvulu ni aadhu gaa
vunchuko koodadhu.

The words `man' and `guy' were symbolic of sexism.  Now they have been
converted to mean, `human' and `young-person' -- right.  Your/andhra
patrika's concept was to do away with those words.  It wont work.
If you are into computers, you must have heard something called an
installed base... ?  User Inertia...?  etc...

WTND lo aakHiriki, oka manchi topic, discuss chesukova-daniki dhorikindhi.  JUBVP gaaru, meeru, sarcastic jokes/posting ni pattinchukokundaa ee
discussion saaganichchamani meetho oka manavi .......


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 01:15:36 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Last Names

Hi Friends,

I am sorry. I have misunderstood the mail article by Mr. Suresh about last name
issue. He basically said " A boy having his middle name which is a girl's name,
and a girl having last name which is a boy's name". This, in my hadaavidi (this
word I picked from Mr. Uday Bhaskar Sarma - Cortesy to Mr. Uday ), I mistook
this as "A boy having his middle name which is a girl's name, and a girl
having middle name which is a boy's name". Both cases, I took it as middle
name and gave a big reply.

Mr. Suresh understood everything correctly. It is my mistake. Hence, I
apologige Mr. Suresh for my mistake.

Thanks,
JUBV Prasad

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1992 21:24:40 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Positive Response to Last Name

From: <UABSSG02%ASNUAB.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
>Subject: Last Names
>
>     I liked the way JUBV Prasad garu selected last names for his children.
>Only one thing made me a little uncomfortable.  A boy's middle name would be
>a girl's name and a girl's last name would be a boy's name.  This might need
>a little getting used to.  Come to think of it, Tamilians use the father's name
>as a last name for their boys and girls, so Prasad garu's method should work
>fine!
>Suresh
>
Hi Friends,

This is one of the supporting mails we have received for the Last Names posting.

I consider this problem in a different way. We should say, there is no middle
name in our naming method. The last name has two parts: one derived from father
and one derived from mother. The middle name may come if the first name has
two parts. Both the children will have same procedure.

Swathi Sujatha Bhaskar -  First name - Last name part1 - Last name part 2
				      ( or middle name )
Sarath Sujatha Bhsakar

In this case, the so called middle name will be from girl's name.

This is according to US naming system. According to Indian system,

Sujatha Bhaskar Swathi - Last name part1 - Last name part 2 - First name
Sujatha Bhaskar Sarath.

In this case, the so called middle name will be from boy's name.

Either case, it is same for daughter and son. As you said, there is no case for
a boy to have middle name from girl's name and for a girl to have middle name
from a boy's name. For both the children, the middle name comes from the same
parent in either system.

-- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:45:21 -0500
From: kalasapu@aecom.yu.edu
Subject: Rachana telugu magazine complimentaries

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 17:14:39 HKT
From: muppala@uxmail.ust.hk (DR. J.K. MUPPALA)
Subject: Rayaprolu Gaari padhyamu

Ayya,
Rayaprolu gaari deshabhakthi padhyamunu naaku thelisinantha varaku
vraasaanu.  Indhulo thappulunte saridhidhandi.  Selavu

     RAYAPROLU GAARI DESHABHAKTHI PADHYAMU
     
     Ae desha megina, endhu kaalidina
     Ae peeta mekkina, evvareduraina,
     Pogadara nee thalli bhumi bharathini
     Niluparaa nee jaathi nindu gowravamu
     
     Ledhura ituvanti bhoodevi yendu
     Ledhura manavanti powrulinkendhu
     Ae poorva punyamo ae yoga balamo
     Janiyinchi naadani swarga lokamuna
     
     Ae manchi puvvulan preminchi naavo
     Ninu moche nee thalli kanaka garbhamuna
     Raagadhagdhamu bhakthi raaju leeyanga
     Bhavasuthramu kavi baandhavulella
     Dikkula kegadhannu tejambhu veluga
     
     Veliginadhi nee divya viswambhu putra
     Deepinche nee punya deshambhu putra
     Avamaanamelaraa anumaanamela
     Bharatha puthrudanani bhakthitho paluka
     

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 14:26:30 -0400
From: paru@cs.albany.edu (Parvathi Chundi)
Subject: Rayaprolu gari kavitha

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 92 10:03:47 -0700
From: vasantha@scic.intel.com (Vasantha Erraguntla)
>Subject: Rayaprolu gari Padyamu

> Namaste,
>   Here's what I recollect of Sri Rayaprolu garu's poem.
>   There are another 10 or more lines after this. Maybe
>   someone else can complete it.
>
>
>      Ae desa meginaa, endu kaalidinaa
>      Ae peethamekkinaa, evvaredurinaa
>      Pogadaraa nee talli bhoomi bhaaratini
>      Niluparaa nee jaati nindu gouravamu
>      Leduraa ituvanti bhoodeviyendu
>      Leruraa manavanti pourulinkendu
>      Ae poorva puNyamo ae yoga balamo
>      Janiyinchinaavu veeraswargamuna
>      Ae manchi poovulan poojinchinaavo
>      Ninu moche nee thalli kanaka garbhamuna

>-Vasantha

>------------------------------

Hi,
   I remember the following lines of the poem. But, I don't know if they fit
in right after the line where you ended.

(putting yours and mine together)

>      Ae desa meginaa, endu kaalidinaa
>      Ae peethamekkinaa, evvaredurinaa
>      Pogadaraa nee talli bhoomi bhaaratini
>      Niluparaa nee jaati nindu gouravamu
>      Leduraa ituvanti bhoodeviyendu
>      Leruraa manavanti pourulinkendu
>      Ae poorva puNyamo ae yoga balamo
>      Janiyinchinaavu veeraswargamuna
>      Ae manchi poovulan poojinchinaavo
>      Ninu moche nee thalli kanaka garbhamuna

       raalu poovulu seyu raagaalu saaga
       soundarya megaboyu sahitya moppa
       veliginidee divya vishvambhu putra
       deevinche nee punya deshambu putra
       avamanamelara anumanamelara
       bharata putruda nanuchu bhakti tho paluka

Can somebody correct this please?

                 --Parvathi.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 19:05 EST
From: "M.V.S. Ravisankar" <RAVISANK@utkvx.utk.edu>
Subject: Recent Articles

 Dear Editorje,
                ee madhya chala chavukabaru articles kanabadutunnayi.manchi
articles leka pothe vaaraniki oka issue pampinchundi.
     gangi govu palu garitedynanu chalu
     kadivedynanemi kharamu palu.
Yours Sincerely,
M.V.S. Ravisankar.

(Editor: We will try to improve the quality of the articles in the
 digests. Again I plead with all the people to work towards good
 articles, good in your view! We can collectively improvise! ..kt)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 02:42:55 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Short Stories

Dear Editor,

Can I send some short stories to Telugu Net? Actually, I have written them
in Telugu. Can I translate them and send them to the net? The environment,
style of talking, issues, etc., will be of Telugu. One the language used
to narrate would be English. No idioms will be used in translation.

I need your permission.
Thanks,
JUBV Prasad

(Editor: We very much welcome such contributions. Please do the same. It
enriches the digests. ...kt)

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:13:15 PDT
From: cimshop!SITAB%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Telugu AlankArAlu

Telugu grammar has a lot of alankArAlu. I remember only one of them:
UpamAlankAram.
Could one of you fill in the others?
Also it would be nice if someone gives the chandassu for various types of
poems. Like kanda, seesa padyams.
Thanks
Sita

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 18:24:34 -0600
From: SVS Subbarao <rao@mddcon.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Telugu Cinee Saahithyam

Sabhyulaku vandanam.

Eee madhya "Telugu film" songs meeda chaala vyaasaalu Telugu digest lo
chadivaanu. K.V.S.Rama Rao garu Telugu film songs meeda pampinchina
vyaasam, alaage Vemaganti Gururajarao gaaru (issue #38) lo pampinchina
vyaasam baagunnaayi. 

    Sri Gururaja rao pampinchina vyaasam lo "we lack good writers " ani 
vraasaaru. Konni asleela , asabhya rachanalu mana telugu cinee saahithyamlo
chotu chesukunnappatikee mana telugu paatala rachayithalu thakkuva vaaremi
kaadu. "Veturi" katthiki rendu vipulaa padune ani meeru vine untaaru. 
Aaayana vraasina "Sankaraabharanam" paatalu, "Panthulamma" loni "maanasa
veena madhu geetham " laanti paatalu srothala manasulani paravasimpa
chesthaayi. Inkaa "sirivennela" seetharama sasthri, Dr.C.Narayana Reddi
laanti manchi manchi rachayithalu manaku unnaaru.  Ee madhya vachhina
kotha rachayithalalo "Jonnavithula Ramalingeswara Rao" kooda konni
manchi geethaalanu vraasaaru. 

   Ee madhya vachhina cinemaalalo "Rowdi Alludu" ane chithram baagaa
musical hit ayyindi. Ee cinema lo paatalu "Adbhutham" ani nenu
ananu kaani, "Thaddhinaka Thappadika" ane paataloni oka charanam loni
konni vaakyaalu naaku nachhaayi. Heroine yokka andaanni, mukha kavalikalanu
varnisthoo, chandamama  "chukkalaa " unna aamenu choosi ae vidham gaa 
mohaavesaaniki lonayyado chakkati "rhyming" tho aa rachayitha vraasaadu.
Aa vaakyaalu ilaa untaayi. 


 " Chukkaa.. Nuvvinchakkaa.. Choopinchaakaa .. Kavvinche Kavalika...
   Inkaa...  Nilavaleka... Raadaa Nelavanka.. Ilavanka.. Chaka Chakaa..." 


   Meeku nachhithe okasaari aa paataloni ee charanam vini mee abhipraayam
vrayandi. Ikkada tuning kooda baagundani naa abhipraayam.


Ika Selavaa mari.


Subbarao S.V.S.
rao@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 08:56:32 -0400
From: mahesh@gadget.evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Telugu Culture Net Digest 38

Recently the Telugu world conference was held in NY. Do you
have the address of the office bearers ? I am raising
funds for the deaf and dumb children in Bangalore. There is
an institute for these children. I have received very good
response from students and would like to see if there are
any other donors.

Peace,

mahesh@evb.com
(Editor: Can some one who has the appropriate information
  pass the same to Mahesh at the above email address,...kt)

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:54:33 PDT
From: from Madhu of ICP  13-Aug-1992 0919 <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Telugu film songs and raagas. 

From: <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Telugu film songs and raagams.

Namaste.

Like me, there might be some more interested persons
to know and appretiate in which raagam some Telugu
songs are set in. I feel this is one way of picking
up music on our own. If we know that a particular song
is set to a particular raaga, with practice and keen
observation we can identify the ragam and appretiate more.

I am one of those unlucky persons who could not have ANY
formal training in music. During 1976-78, Vijayawada AIR
Vividh Bharathi used to have a special programme in the
afternoons on Classical music and Telugu film songs.
This is how I picked up interest.

Now that the introductory part is over, with my limited
knowledge, to-day I shall share some film songs set to
raaga "Shahana".

"Sampoorna Ramayanam" 	Sabari song - Adigo Ramayya, aduguglu naa tandrive"
"Undamma Bottu Pedata"  Raavamma, Mahalakshmi, Raavamma..
"Rajeswari Vilas club"  Akaasa pandirilo neeku naaku pellantaa"
"Koothuru-Kodalu"	Intakanna Manchi Taruna memunnadiraa"
"Veerabhimanyu"		Choochi, Valachi, Chentaku pilachi"

I invite readers to share their knowledge. I am sure, there
are many lucky who are trained. Some of our spouses are more
conversant ! I shall keep compiling and maintain a data base 
and can share it with others.

As the saying goes, "Sisurvetti, Pasurvetti....", let us
enjoy the joy of classical music through film songs also.

I request Telugu paatakalokam to actively contribute to this.

(Kindly correct me if I am wrong in identifying the raagam.)

Marosaari inko Raagam pai.

P.S. Can anybody tell me the raagam of the song from "Badi Panthulu"
"Nee nagumomu, naa kanulaara, kadadaaka kananindu,
Eee Soothramuto, eee kumkuma to, kadateri ponindu...."

Untaanu,

	Capt Madhusudhana Rao <madhu@qcav01.enet.dec.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 13:01:32 -0400
From: vdasigi@valhalla.cs.wright.edu (Venu Dasigi)
Subject: Unique Words in Telugu

This can't be beaten: mohamaatam (mogamaatam, moamaatam).
(you could say, "you don't seem to be feeling free," etc., but that's
a rather pale translation.)

--- Venu
(Venu Dasigi - vdasigi@cs.wright.edu)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 11:28:48 MDT
From: ramap@spatial.com (Rama K Pidaparti)
Subject: Unique WORDS not phrases....

>But, "ennava"
>         itself, does not have an equivalent in English, which is what the
>         original poster intended (as I understand it) and asking for.

You got my point.  I was looking for words and NOT phrases.  Also the word
"ennava" has no equivalent in Hindi/Bengali and maybe other North Indian
languages.


>         As my contribution to the thread, I suggest the word "kaapuram" which
>         does not have an equivalent in English. "Family" isn't quite what it
>         means in Telugu; "family" is a translation of "kutumbam" rather than
>         "kaapuram", IMO.

Thanks for the word.  I think it doesn't have a simple translation(in English).

>         There is another thread started by JUBV Prasad about naming the
>         children which take into account both mother and father of the child;
>         I really do not feel if such topic is relevant to this digest. I mean,
>         there is nothing peculiar to Telugu culture to name a child after the
>         father's blood line, it is followed all over the world. This is also
>         rapidly diverging into "streela samasyalu" and feminism, for which
>         SCI is a more appropriate forum, IMO.

Just my 0.02 cents:  To have too many names attached to a person, just to show
respect to the mother can be sometimes confusing and funny.  Besides
which ONE will be THE lastname?  In this world of First-name, Middle and
Last-name it can still leave some room for trouble.  I mean people can still
debate on wheather the father's name OR the mother's name SHOULD be THE
lastname.

I agree that topics related to women are not particular to Telugus and can
be discussed on sci.  I mean we as Telugus are equally bad in treating women:-)
Actually thay can be crossposted to s.c.i.telugu as well in a week?


>         Siva Prasad.				vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu

Regards,

Ramakrishna Pidaparti.              ramap@spatial.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 11:17:09 MDT
From: anisetti@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Vijay Kumar Anisetti)
Subject: Varasalu

Even more interesting(I think so) `varasa' involves my relatives. The
guy is my `thammudu' since his dad is my `pedda naanna(but not my father's
direct brother i.e. `thobuttuvu kaadhu', kaani idi beerakai peechu kooda
kaadu) and the girl is my `chelli' since the mother is my
`pinni'(mother's thobuttuvu). But they are married since they are
`baava-maradalu' via `menarikam'.

Can anything beat that?

Another question is, can people with the same surname but who are entirely
unknown or unrelated(via any obvious means) marry?

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1992 23:47:56 -0700
From: jubv@hcla.hcla.com (J U B V Prasad)
Subject: Vavi-Varusalu

>Date: Fri, 7 Aug 92 15:23:00 EDT
>From: seetam@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
>Subject: Varasalu
>
>JUBV Prasad gaaru, has in his `vavi varasalu' article in Issue # 37,
>mentions about `unacceptable' marital bandHutvaalu.
>
>His objections can be split it into two parts :-
>
>1)  Marraiges between persons between whom other cultures wouldn't
>	allow marraiges - example baava-maradhalu.
Mainly, I was talking about the customs which most of the people in Andhra
Pradesh are following. I do not say anything about religion. Brother-sister
relations are mostly accepted whether it is direct or indirect. I alaso heard
that at some places, people married sister relation girls. No comments about
them.
>
>2)  The type of relationship seen in the movie LAMHE (Hindi) -- i.e.,
>	between an elderly man and a young girl.

Mr. Uday Bhaskar Sarma is always confusing the things with some other
information which is not relevant. In LAMHE movie, there is not relationship
between those two people.
>	This again is of two types :-
>	(a)  The conciously generated mutual love (LAMHE movie)
This is outside the topic here.
>	(b)  The forced marraiges as inthe TELUGU (OLD) movie :-
>			Kanya Sulkamu (its was originally a NOVELA).
This is also outside the topic.
>
>In south indian society the first is perfectly normal.  The second (2)-a
>and (2)-b are not acceptable nowadays especially.  Even during the
>old days, people sneered at a 50 yr old man marrying again !
>
>As for the marraige between Rajendra Prasad and a girl , who becomes his
>sister (peLLi chuttari-kamu), is sot of acceptable in villages in
>the Krishna and Guntur districts.  I have seen a couple of love
>marraiges been okayed !  The argument for acceptance of such marraiges
>is that the two persons would have remained unrelated, BUT FOR THE
>PRIOR MARRAIGE !

I also belong to Krishna and East Godavari districts. This is not accepted
totally. It may be there at some places. But it is very less. As, you have
given the example, you have seen only a couple of marriages like this.
My brother (cousin - mother's sister's son) married a girl who is the sister
of a girl who is the wife of our MENAMAMA (Uncle). Hence, my brother's kids
call me as BABAYI and they call my uncle's son as brother who is my brother-
in-law (even nothing in this relation is by law. He is my mother's brother's
son). All our relatives accepted this. This does not mean anything. Still,
we are talking about vavi-varusalu. A few examples will not change the general
style.
>
>Among my own chuttaalu, there is a family, that got related to us
>VIA two marraigas :-  The man of that family is my maama by birth.
>But his brother-in-law (beerakai peechchu) by marraige to one of
>my Vadhinalu, is my anna -- meaning that maama is also Baava !
>Figure it out !
>
The above paragraph applies here also.
>As long as the gothraas and jaathakaalu are matching and the
>`pair' okay the marraige, what matters ?
>(AIYYYOOOO ! I should have said, gothraalu dont clash !)
Oh my gash! You are bringing the GOTHRAALU always. Most of people do not
know what they are. A lot of people ( not a few examples ) do not bother
about these gothralu. In Andhra Pradesh, Only one higher caste people worry
about this so much. Other caste poeple, do not bother about this much.

Look Readers. Our friend Mr. Uday Bhaskar Sharma ,in his last articles,
mentioned about casteless people and wrote something about this. In Andhra
Pradesh, a lot of people in other (so called ) castes, do not know anything
about this gothraalu. Now onwards, I also ignore this word.
>
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Why didn't you mention about the step-father and step-daughter relation?
Look for the central idea of the articles. Instead of that, if you take a
bit and a byte here and there, we will not get anything except exchanging
few sentences across.

-- JUBV Prasad

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 12:20 PDT
From: SARADHI%ITIVAX.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Vivaranalu...

***********************************************************************
Motamarri Saradhi - Saradhi@itivax.bitnet
                  - Saradhi@iti.gov.sg

Tuesday, 11th Aug, 1220SST, Singapore.

Vishayam :          Vivaranalu
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Namaskaram,

Of late, I have seen a couple of postings on language, names etc.

Coming to Dravidian languages or Indo-Aryan languages:

   The first point is Hindi is a script-less manufactured language. It
   has adopted the Devanagari script. It has no deep vocabulary to
   express - as such most of the words are taken from Urdu.

   It seems that Dravidian group of languages have their own roots
   but must have influenced by the then prevalent language spoken by
   scholars - Sanskrit.

   In my view, Telugu - the beauty and strength comes from its synchro-
   nization of writing as well as speaking. Implying, that the way you
   write, it's the way you read; and the way you read, it's the way you
   write. I doubt, whether there is any other language with such a
   sophisticated script. (Just imagine how you would pronounce 'would'
   in English; and how you write 'karyakram' in Hindi).

   Telugu has its own vocabulary, enough for writing and communication
   but it has permitted the direct import of full set of Sanskrit in
   its use. That way one could imagine the vocabulary of Telugu is a
   superset of Sanskrit.

***

When one of our fellow-neters posted a mail about his kid's names, I
just wondered! Infact, in the latest one I have seen a couple of
reflections.

   Does naming kids with inputs from parental names - signifies any
   progress? It utterly proves our mis-understanding of one of our
   best contribution towards naming.

   Imagine if the future off-springs are named as suggested in this
   'modern' style; it will become very difficult to say whether a
   pariticular boy and girl have a kind of relation which forbids any
   kind marital relation between them? I request people to think
   twice before we wed to modernity!

   Whatever new is not good and whatever old is not bad either. We
   must see the roots of the things before we try to evolve a new
   order!

***

Kanya Sulkham

   In the latest digest, someone is mentioning about Kanya Sulkham.

   It is very unfortunate to note that it has been quoted as a novel.

   Why I say unfortunate has something to do with our basic curiosity,
   I mean especailly with 'andhrulu'.

   Kanya Sulkham, is a drama written by none other than our greatest
   visionary, poet, 'yuga kartha' - Gurajada. Telugu Literature will be
   nothing - if no reference ever made to Gurajada!


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Kruthajnathalatho...   Saradhi

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