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From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Subject: Re: Boskone
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:27:42 GMT
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, Harris Semicondutor

Amazing what you can find browsing around the net. :-)  Some of the sillier
amongst us might get a kick out of this...

[references deleted to protect the guilty :-)]

|> >>Boskone Weapons Policy
|> >>
|> >>As is standard at most conventions, no weapon, or anything that looks like
|> >>a weapon, is allowed at Boskone at any time. This includes clubs,
|> >>quarterstaves, wizard's staves, lasers, squirt guns, toy zap guns, or
|> >>anything else that resembles a weapon. If you violate this rule you will be
|> >>asked to leave the convention.
|> >
|> >If banning wizard's staves is standard at most conventions it's news to me.
|> >Far as I can tell this is unique to Boskone.  It's too bad, but not as bad
|> >as it might be, because Boskone, unlike most conventions, has a reputation
|> >among some fans, at least, as being boring.
|> 
|> If it CAN be used as a weapon, it IS a weapon.  Any and all objects which
|> can be used to harm someone in any way must be left in the room.
|> 
|> How could this be boring?  The only problem would be keeping the vice
|> squad off your butts...  :-)
|> 

-- 
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force

MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883, 
Melbourne  FL 32905.  geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com

"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
From: nowicki@egr.msu.edu (Dean Nowicki)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate-do Kyohan
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:55:26 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
Reply-To: nowicki@egr.msu.edu (Dean Nowicki)
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In article <C02tCI.Exs@dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
>Anoyne care to comment on this book.  I've seen Nyumon, and I also
>have "The Heart of Karate-Do" by Egami.
>
>I know this is supposed to be *the* master text, but other books
>describe themselves as similarly definitive.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>thanks,
>tommy

No doubt about it, this is the master text from the founder of Shotokan.
There are few books that compare to it. Also consider Mas Oyama's 
Essential Karate. A good series is also Nakayama, Sensei's Best
Karate books.
				->Dean
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: pinyin
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:46:04 GMT

psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>08-Jan-93 02:13	mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)	Re: Well, well, well...

>>But Pinyin is not designed for English-speakers; it is designed for
>>Mandarin speakers.

[other stuff deleted]

>>The letters are chosen to correspond to sounds used in Mandarin, not sounds
>>used in English. Sure, 'q' as used in Mandarin doesn't have the same sound as
>>'q' used in English, but 'j' as used in German doesn't have the same sound as
>>'j' in English, and neither does 'w'. The sounds represented in Pinyin by 'q'
>>and 'ch' are different sounds, and neither one is the sound 'ch' has in
>>English.  

>It seems you may be talking about the same phenomenon as I am with respect
>Persian.  And if this is so, then I must reiterate that while there is no
>perfect mapping of our letters to Chinese phonemes, the letters used are
>completely out of line.

>My point is that one *never* learns a language exclusively by reading it.  So
>what's the point of creating a level of indirection that has absolutely no
>intuitive mapping to normal english phonemes.

The point is to have a standard with which people of any country can
reference something Chinese.  Pinyin B-e-i-j-i-n-g refers to the
capital of the PRC regardless of the language.  It could be English, German,
Pohnpeian.  It does not matter what is the context of the usage.

Pinyin is a standard for Romanizing Chinese characters.  I have
seen myriads of methods of transliterating Chinese.  If a non
standard method of romanization is used there is no telling what
Chinese character the word corresponds to unless it is clear
from the context.

I doubt that Pinyin is designed for Mandarin speakers, they use the
Chinese characters.  It is a standard for romanizing Chinese characters
instead of the many non-standard floating around like the Yale and
Wade-Giles systems or just transliterating to suit whatever non
Chinese speaker that is to read it.

Another problem with transliterations: from what dialect is it transliterated?
Hakka?  Mandarin?  Cantonese?  Toisanese?  Zhongshanese?, etc.  Without
a romanization standard, how the heck can you read and understand something
which makes a reference to something in Chinese (even if you are a
Chinese speaker) and a non standard romanization is used?

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Ah! A friend! (short)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:39:19 EST


Mr.Lorenzo, pleased to meet your acquaintance.  Thank you for beautifully
phrased explanations and a sound placation of my contentious nature.  While I
am not prepared to say, "okay, east and west are just different sides of a
coin..." I must say you're manner is impressive.  I don't much buy the type of
intellectualizing which I feel is more like advanced navel contemplation, but
I have already committed to pursuing more of Nietzsche and Kant just to prove
you all wrong.  But thanks for exquisite rebuttal.

Your Taiji is excellent.

P.S. The explanation of Pinyin is all I wanted in the first place.   I knew
     there had to be some reasonable explanation for the retardation.
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:45:37 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan5.094913.23429@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>Nonetheless, I couldn't help but wonder why someone didn't recommend carrying
>a large gun and blowing big holes in the first (second, and/or third) persons

Wow.  I posted a reply (in alt.locksmithing) some time ago in response
to a claim that locks were useless and a home owners only reasonable
alternative was to buy a very expensive security system (think they might
have had a financial interest in selling security systems?).  My reply was
that I live right outside DC, have a big dog and a Glock, and am doing
very well with regard to the criminal element.

Given the flames I got from that one, you're in for a s..t storm.
From: jat@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Joseph Talmadge)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:21:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Gracie
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins) writes:
>With all this talk about how terrific Gracie style is, I
>haven't yet heard where they are. Are they anywhere near
>Palo Alto, CA (the center of my universe)?

villano_d@sol.rtsg.mot.com (villano_d) writes:
>
>Does any one knows a Gracie school/instractor in Chicago area?
>

As far as I know, the only place in the United States you can get
Gracie jujitsu is at their gym in Torrance, CA.

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
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From: mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Transliterating Chinese (was Re: Well, well, well...)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:26:52 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:20:42 EST, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) said:

>	Maybe you should give the Chinese some credit for deciding how their
>language will be represented to westerners, instead of passively accepting
>Wade-Giles, or other foriegnly produced system?

Peter> Okay now this I really don't get.  Actually I'm not passively
Peter> accepting anything except that I have never pronounced any word
Peter> in the English language beginning with the letter "Q" with a
Peter> "ch" sound.  Is this a difficult concept?  Further, more and
Peter> more in recognition of this same principle, Indians have come
Peter> to spell Indian words such as "rajnish" as "rajneesh,"
Peter> recognizing that in American english, we pronounce "i" as
Peter> "fish" not "feesh."  Big concept hunh?  Also, I never say
Peter> "xit!"  or "xame on you..." or "xe sell sea xells at the sea
Peter> xore..."

Peter> In other words, I give the Chinese linguists credit for nothing
Peter> in light of their ignorance of my language.

Mmaybe they weren't trying to provide a transliteration for your
language.  I belien they use the same transliteration for all people
who use the roman alphabet.  To almost anyone who uses that alphabet
except English speakers 'i' is pronouced /ee/ and 'e' is pronounced
/ay/ and 'a' is pronounced /ah/.  It doesn't take long to learn to
pronounce these if you will leave your anglo-lingual-centrism behind.

It seems to me they went for maximum readability, as least as far as
the vowels are concerned.

As for the consonants, I was speaking just the other day with a
Chinese member of the department about this.  He says the he believes
that the current transliteration system was developed when the Chinese
were a lot friendlier with the other Eastern block nations and thata
it was intended to help them pronounce the names.  Not knowing much
about Slavic languages I can't conclude anything, but maybe the
apparently strange choices make more sense to a Slavic speaker.

Or maybe not.
--


Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771
From: N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: MOTHER PICKS UP CAR
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:51:33 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com              Gints Klimanis at Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Writes to ask :-

What's PNF?


Well PNF is Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation and is a technique
used to produce increased stretching gains over normal methods.

It involves triggering the proprioceptors in the muscle which detect
overstretching and cause the muscle to relax when it occurs.

To trigger the proprioceptors and to allow a greater stretch than normal
do the following:

Go into your furthest stretch that is comfortable.
Tense the opposite muscles to the ones you're streching HARD for 10-15 sec.
Relax completely, and you should find you gain some distance in your stretch.
Relax for about 30-60 seconds and repeat the tensing of th4e opposite
muscles.
Repeat the stretch, tense, relax cycle until you see no more gain in
flexibility (usually after about 4-5 cycles maybe more).

This technique is appropriate for most stretches and is especially
good in situations where a partner can perform the lifting of a leg
and you can try and push their arms down in the tensing stage.

A full report can be found in an article in Fighting Arts International
from 1991 ,  I forget which issue , I'll try and find it.

Enjoy.

Neil.

N.C.Thomas@durham.ac.uk
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:57:21 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it took twelve not-guilties.
>Inability to come to a unanimous verdict results in a mistrial, not
>an acquittal.  Is that wrong?  (Talking about US law, of course.)

Technically, you do have a hung jury and the state could retry the
case.  Often, they don't even bother.  Even if they do, it still
only takes one.................
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: japanese term
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:07:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan9.124720.22842@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>
>In article <sandacz.726507794@gargoyle>, sandacz@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Kay Sandacz) writes...
>>Does anyone know a collective term in Japanese for shinai, bokken,
>>jo, bo, tanto, and the like?  We call them weapons in English.
>> 
>>Thanks.
>> 
>>---  
>> Kay Sandacz				What doesn't kill me makes me stranger.
>> 
>
>Kobudo.  At least that's what we call the instruction at my goju-ryu dojo.

"Kobudo" literally means "Ancient martial ways". It doesn't actually refer
to weapons at all.

Steve
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From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Subject: Re: NINJUTSU
Organization:  Wright State University 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:46:32 GMT

In article <7026.897.uupcb@meaddata.com>, jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy)  writes:
>      I've posted a couple of things here about ninjutsu but rarely see a
> reply and NEVER a reply to me (which is downright discouraging when you
> have to wade through hundreds of messages).   Is there nobody else here
> who studies Togakure ryu Ninjutsu?  Even better would be to "meet"
> someone who attended Stephen K. Hayes' seminars and who was working
> within his Kasumi-An system.
>    

I've tried to email you several times, but I haven't heard anything back.  Just
in case you're not getting my messages, I figured I would notify you on the
newsgroup that I'm interested in talking to you.

Jeff
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:09:01 GMT

In article <MARY.92Dec31095109@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:

>   Much of what I found out about taekwondo was that it was impractical in
>   street defense, because so much of it depended on flamboyant kicking.  
>   Imagine doing that on a gravel surface with three beers under your belt
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   (the most common situation where you might have to defend yourself to
>   begin with).

>Please, if you're going to get inebriated and belligerent, don't blame 
>a martial art because it doesn't bail you out.  

I must have missed the part about "getting belligerent" (but maybe you
know something that I don't).  I assumed he was talking about being
called upon to defend himself.  That's hardly the same thing.

Actually, three beers under your belt could come in very handy (assuming
they're still in the bottles, that is).

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:25:29 GMT
Organization: loral western development labs

In article <1icf72INNglq@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
> 
> Hello all,
> We sometimes have free-sparring in our karate lession, semi-contact (ie. touch
> blows) between men and women.
> I am interested to hear about the attitides of people, about this.
> 
> Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
> I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?
> 
> There are 2 sides to this!
> 
> 	The idea is that we leave all ranks and positions outside the dojo
> 	when we train, and shouldn't discriminate against women. Also in a 
> 	real life situation an attacker might not be so discriminate.
> 
> 	Women are 'mostly' not as physically strong as men, and so are at a
> 	disadvantage, and should be trated accordingly.
> 
> I presume that both parties, have sufficient skill in their techniques.
> 
> I am just worried, that if males treat women differently in the dojo, it might
> be causes more harm than good. ie Not preparing them against a person on the
> street who has no problems bashing women.
> 
> I would like both opinions from men and women.
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions..
> 
> Regards..
> 
> Vlod Kalicun.   cs_e445@kingston.ac.uk
> email or post.
> 
Excelent question in my opinion, I never under estimate anyone! When it 
comes to women and or smaller people, I usualy pull my kicks and punches 
but the speed is still there. I try to get in and get out as quickly as 
possible. Most of the people I spar with usualy learn something from it, 
blind spots, (mine or theres) open areas and counter attacks.
Full out contact is reserved for parteners that are the same rank and the 
same size.

Just my opinion
Martial Artist in training
Tim
Standard Disclaimer Applies
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From: acortez@athena.qualcomm.com (Adrian Cortez)
Subject: Re: Anyone practice Gracie?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:14:28 GMT

  Two black belts from the dojang I work out at have taken a jujutsu class
  at one of the local universities (UCSD.)  They have commented to me that
  they really liked the class and thought that it was a great art to learn.

  The guy who teaches the class is a Gracie student who commutes from 
  San Diego to Torrence for classes...

						   Adrian
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Journey...
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:14:08 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan12.173450.8678@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>	If it not "western", then what would it be?  At any rate, the Bogomils
>	were Cathars from the region of Europe now called Bulgaria.  Memory
>	probably fails be, but I believe it was in 1144 when the Catholic
>	Church made its big play to wipe out its biggest rival, the Cathars.
>	It happened in France, location I forget.  

Languedoc. A distant ancestor of mine was executed for heresy
(as opposed to "hearsay" ;-) ) there. Nope, I'm not holding a grudge ;-).

>	The armed forces under direct control of the church killed all 
>	the Cathars in this area of
>	France.  If you have ever seen those T-shirts that say "Kill `em all,
>	let God sort em out"... this came from that battle where the general
>	in charge asked the Bishop or Cardinal in control "who shall we put to 
>	the sword?" and was answered with "Kill them all, God will recognize
>	his own".  

Yup.

>	And thus they were all butchered.  

Well, the ones they caught, anyway. Fortunately for me, they didn't catch
everyone.

>	The Cathars were quite
>	a mystical sect (non-Christian, as far as I know).  
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not so - although they didn't exactly agree with everything the Council of
Nicea decreed ;-). It's kind of hard to tell exactly what they *did* believe,
since they didn't leave much in the way of records behind.


Steve
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Car theft possible solutions
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:34:49 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago


	I think to prevent car theft the best action is not to
have the car attack the invader but to have the car rendered undrivable
if the primary passenger leaves the car. How could this be done?
Well, the pH of a person's hands might be read by the stearing wheel,
and the value stored. Only the appropriate pH will allow the
full use of the vehicle. Of course, that would prevent the original
driver from wearing gloves and would alter depending on the driver's
moods.  Another possibility is using technology simmilar to that
found in record stores such that the driver wears a device that
sympatheticaly resonates to a periodic signal. The lack of that
resonated signal would cause the vehicle to deactivate.
	Also, if by any means the vehicle does learn that it is
being stolen, it could use cellular technology with a recorded
message and a database of regional police hq numbers or 911
to automatically send the message 'hello, This is a recorded
message being sent by a stolen car.  The make is XXXX, model XXX,
licens plate no. 999999'  etc.  

				John
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:29:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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The following Japanese words have the following meanings:

	Do - (As in Judo, Karate-do, Aikido, etc); Way.
	     Way in the sense of a path towards the betterment of
	     oneself. In the Orient, it is believed that if one
	     spends a great deal of time practicing something (effort)
	     and this practice requires concentration (stilling the mind)
	     then the combination of these elements leads to the betterment
	     of the self. Thus, it is said that the practice of Martial
	     Arts is also a Spirtual endeavor, if done with the proper
	     attitude.

	Ju - (also, Jiu); softness; to yield. (However, these terms miss
	     the real meaning which is to be found in the Chinese Wu Wei.)

	Jutsu - (also Jitsu); Art or Science.
	     A methodological activity, discipline and study. Knowledge
	     which is gained through practice and experience. The 
	     coordination and application of certain activities so that
	     the effort is transformed into Art.

	Chinese Wu Wei: The concept of being in harmony with one's nature
	     and surroundings. Being one with Tao (Do - The Way of Heaven).
	     Applied to MA, it connotes the "empty jacket" of Judo. One
	     of the highest attainments of Oriental idealism. 

Other words;

	Ninjutsu - Art of Concealment, stealth.
	     A lapel virtually anyone can hang their hat on and say they
	     are qualified authorities. 

	Ninja - Assassins. Experts are the art of stealth and concealment.

	Hapkido - Korean version of Japanese Daito Ryu Jujutsu.

	Ryu - System; incorporates the idea that there is a substantial 
	     syllabus and/or several schools teaching the curriculum.

	-kan - school; a place where a curriculum is taught and studied.

	dojo - (literally, Place of the Way; Temple), commonly, place of 
	     of practice, ie, a school ( -kan).

	Yawara - old word for Jujutsu. Written with the same Kanji (Japanese
	     characters). Only pronounced differently.

	Karate - originally from the words meaning Chinese Hand (fist). Because
	     the founder of Shotokan Karate was basically under house arrest
	     (he was not allowed to leave Japan), he was encouraged to change
	     the name to something else. Kara - empty is a homophone. In the
	     1930's the meaning was changed to its present meaning - Empty Hand.

	Kempo - Japanese pronunciation of Chinese ch'uan fa, a system of
	     fighting.

	Kenpo - derived from Okinawan Kempo, modified to reflect newer attitudes
	     and concepts WRT to fighting and self-defense. Leading exponents
	     are/were William Chow and Ed Parker.
      



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