From: mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: A Call For Reality - An End To Mean Spirited Posting
Keywords: Pedophile Acid Rain Pollution
Date: 24 Dec 92 07:15:11 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


This is directed to the protagonists to clear thinking who constantly
post to the net their hate-filled answers to clear minded individuals who
think rationally.  I post infrequently because pissing in the wind is not
a pleasant experience - when you post you know the piss will blow back from
two directions.  When I have posted it is to refute inconsistencies in
terminology or out and out stretches of the truth.  The analogy to this is
calling pedophiles homosexuals or saying acid rain is not responsible for
deforestation.  What the thinking patterns are of people who think this way
is to find some shred of evidence that might point towards their argument.
What the U.S. has done consistently (for capitalistic reasons), is to shun
any report that would impinge on free raining capitalism, be it here or
abroad.  This has been true since Kit Carson burned down the peach trees of
the Navaho all the way to U.S. backed overthroughing of socialistic leaning
countries.

	I know personally of environmental damage to areas of the world through
poor management by U.S. Corporations.  There is a far cry from reading the pa-
per to get your statistics versus getting the real scoop by working for com-
panies engaged in cleaning up the environment.  Legally, most of the date about
acid rain and pollution at superfund sites is kept from the public.  What you
do read in the paper or through "funded studies" have been diluted by government
sources.  The truth is either filtered from the right or filtered from the
left.  What you read about the Exxon Valdez spill initially was that it was no
big deal.  Or acid rain is minor.  Even if acid rain has little effect what is
left for society to do is to minimize any chance of acid rain by stopping any
emissions by industrial sites emitting toxic substances.  With a not watered
down by the Bush administration Clean Air Act this could have been possible.

	Clayton Cramer and Phil Ronzone are two people like many of us on the
net who enjoy a good argument - and that is to be commended.  Clayton does it
pretty much without the venom and the hatred that Phil Ronzone shows.  Every
time we continue with them on the net, I see it as a waste of time - but then
again I knew that eventually the Bush Era would end also.  Clayton and Phil
are following a twelve year low in U.S. culture that had its roots in racism
and conquest through discrimination and misrepresentation.  It was easy to
say Kit Carson was a hero because we relied on the press to tell us the truth.
When you rely on comments that Phil and Clayton argue, you are left with here-
say and innuendo.  You see - the onus is on you to prove them wrong.  Look to
Socrates and examine truths.

	1) There is acid rain - it does kill forests.
	2) Pollution does exist and companies produce it.
	3) DDT is still being produced in the U.S. and exported abroad - and it
          comes may come back in imported food.
	4) There are superfund sites throughout our country - superfund means
          companies produced it and rely on us to pay for it.
	5) Pedophiles are not homosexuals.  Homosexuals and Heterosexuals both
          makeup the subpopulation of pedophiles - although it is probable that
          pedophiles are fixated in pre-adolescence and therefor androgenous.
	6) Discrimination is a method of keeping people in "their place" and out
          of competition.  It is often used to purify an area and rid one pop-
          ulation of what they consider undesirables - this is against the law.
          If the law is broken, it needs to be enforced.
	7) If homosexuals are fired or not hired solely because of a preconcep-
          tion of activity or assumption of activity without regard to their
          capabilities, that is discrimination.  The constitution protects
          people already from discrimination.  What has happened though is that
          communities who want "purity" in their community enact legislation to
          disregard a constitutionally unamed discrimination. They are entitled
          to their law, and we are entitled and should boycott those cities and
          states whether they be Concord or Colorado (not to name names).
	8) Eventually people that spout hatred will spout it to the wrong person
          or engage in slander or enough of an attack that will have them
          legally indefensible - karma.
	9) You can depend on the mail and you can depend on any point in
          ba.politics and ca.politics to be picked apart by people who do not
          want to see the truth.

      I'm wrong on occasion and I admit it.  When I find I do not understand
something, I go to the sources to find the truth and learn.  What I find with
the points that Clayton and Phil try to make is that when they find something
that they disagree with they find the literature citations to make their point
valid.  Their technique would find a great comrade where Lysenko alive today.


I do not believe Gennifer Flowers.
I do believe Anita Hill.
C++ is a better superset of C, but sometimes I like FORTRAN 77.

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Phil Murphy                                          (415) 285-2595 voice 
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