From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Clarifying "Restrictions"
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In article <1993Jan6.064302.25323@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.020223.1283@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec26.232007.13372@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec25.195604.13432@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Dec19.081855.14741@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec18.165413.8758@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kebbin is just mad because we live in the Real World (tm) and not in
>>>>>>some Darcian fantasy in which it is more dangerous to terminate a
>>>>>>pregnancy then to carry the fetus to term. 
>>>>>
>>>>>Learn the difference between a hypothetical question and a fantasy, ignoramus.
>>>>
>>>>"Kevin Darcy is a genius".  Hypothetical question or fantasy?  You be the
>>>>judge.
>>>
>>>It's not even a question, so how can it be a hypothetical question?
>>
>>Learn how quotes[sic] and periods[sic] are used in the American language,
>>ignoramus.
>
>Is it your contention that the words "Kevin Darcy is a genius" accompanied by
>the double quotes shown, and followed by a period, forms a question?

In the context they were written in, yes.  But then, your[sic] grasp[sic]
of[sic] the[sic] English[sic] Language[sic] never[sic] has[sic] been[sic]
very[sic] good[sic].

>
>>>>>>Considering his tendancy to
>>>>>>argue both sides of any given question, I'd say he is the one who
>>>>>>needs to be concerned with moral inconsistancy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Arguing a position and believing it aren't necessarily the same thing, schmuck.
>>>>
>>>>You know, Kevin, I'm beginning to believe that you're a Cochran-phobe.  
>>>
>>>You know, Keith, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on the
>>>Net. Your blood relationship with the other moron has nothing to do with my 
>>>penchant for refuting the arguments of weak-minded sophists everywhere.
>>
>>You hae a penhant[sic] for refuting[sic] arguments[sic]?  Was I asleep when
>>this happened?
>
>No, just in your usual confused daze, probably.

Answer the question, Kebbie.  Or do you find it that hard to remember when you
refuted even one arguement?

>
>>>I'll also note that, not once, in all the long battles my brother and I
>>>waged in alt.flame, and all of the times we had a common enemy, did either of
>>>us ever accuse anyone of being a "Darcy-phobe".
>>
>>Ah, so that idocy that you spewed onto the net for months claiming that I was
>>a homophobe was just hot air...
>
>Relevance?

Are you sure you can read, Kebben?  Try saying each word out loud as you read.

>
>>>But then, we never got as close to desperate as you apparently have, either...
>>
>>Like claiming that a victim of sexual child abuse was a child molester?
>
>I didn't know the victim was a victim when I made my post, Keith, and I have
>apologized for the mistake. Don't you feel a little low constantly dredging
>up something that's been apologized for, and potentially causing the very 
>"victim" you think you're helping to relive their nightmare?

Kevin Darcy revises history.  Nobody is suprised.

>
>I suggest the subject be dropped. I suggest that the whole flamewar shouldn't
>have occurred in the first place, actually, but I'm willing to just put it
>to rest from this point forward.

Ah, so when you get bashed as badly as you have, you "suggest that the whole
flamewar shouldn't have occured in the first place".  How noble of your to
run.

>
>>>>>>I'm still waiting for your real life example to validate your question
>>>>>>Kebbin...
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you guarantee me that there is no possible or foreseeable combination of 
>>>>>medical factors which could make termination of pregnancy more dangerous
>>>>>than carrying to term? Are you willing to put whatever medical credentials
>>>>>you possess on the line over this question? I _do_ have some contacts at
>>>>>the UofM Medical Center (largest medical complex in the world, perhaps 
>>>>>you've heard of it?), which is a couple of miles down the road from me.
>>>>>I _can_ check this out, if necessary, and if you've been propagating bogus
>>>>>medical information on the Net... well... 
>>>>
>>>>Kebbin brags, evades the question, and then makes yet another veiled threat
>>>>against a person named Cochran.
>>>
>>>Brags? Threatens? What an active imagination you have there, Keith 
>>
>>"I _do_ have some contacts..."  "I _can_ check this out..."  "...and if you've
>>been propaating bogus medical information on the Net... well..."
>
>So, where are the brags or threats? Is Mark Whatshisname such a sensitive
>milquetoast that he felt intimidated or threatened by that?

Where did I claim I can read Mark's mind?

>
>>>Whatsyername. I was just letting Mark Whatshisname know that he couldn't just
>>>blabber medical half-facts and non-facts, and expect them to go unchecked.
>>>
>>>>This is turning into your "it's not legal in every state to use lethal force
>>>>to stop a rape" thing, isn't it?  Why don't you stop waffling, and just 
>>>>give us a situation (hypothetical or not) where ending a pregnancy is more
>>>>dangerous to the woman than continuing it?
>>>
>>>A 28-week pregnant woman, without any discernible medical complications,
>>>announces her wish to end her pregnancy by having her fetus sucked out through 
>>>her spine, heart and cerebellum. Should she be allowed to abort in this 
>>>manner? 
>>
>>Kindly provide the name of any medical doctor qualified to perform abortions
>>who would perform an abortion in this manner under any circumstance, and I'll
>>get back to you...
>
>You are adding stipulations that weren't contained in the original question, 
>Keith.  Backpedal. Squirm. Whassamatter? Can't you answer it as is?

No, Kibbles, I'm not.  I not in immediate contact with doctors who perform
abortions.  My extremly limited medical knowledge says the answer is "no",
but my medical knowledge is extremly limited.  Before I go sounding like
a Darcy, I'd like to find someone knowledgable enough to answer the question.
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