From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Oh great Guru... (is: The thread that just keeps going and going and...)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:45:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In article <1992Sep30.193458@IASTATE.EDU> wyvern@IASTATE.EDU (Nuno Bettencourt)  
writes:
>	These quotes are taken from the message board files of that game.
>I'm sure you'll love reading them as much as I did. *laugh*

  Amazing how teams have to use a message board when they're not all in one  
room. Besides 90% of what you quoted happened before the game while YOUR team  
captain (who is better than me) spent 45 minutes looking for players. We were  
supposed to meet at 7:45, and start playing at 8:00... 8:30 rolled around, we  
were ALL there waiting for YOU, and you couldn't field a team. Eventually I had  
to get rid of one of my players so we could finally get on with it. Yep, great  
team captaining...

> R7->ROM  looking through our usual gang of idiots here for subs.

  Gee, amazing how you have to look for subs during a non-important scrimmage.  
Just talk to your captain--he spent 45 minutes looking for them AT GAME TIME.  
At least I had mine ready to go.

> R6->ROM  4,5 are scout bombers
> R6->ROM  3,6 are planet takers
> R6->ROM  7 is ogger... 7 will pick the other ogger
> R6->ROM  The left over is planet taker
>	I might say that this strategy was a bit flawed. It isn't usually an
>	inflexible team that wins a game my friends....

  I also took more planets than your top two planet takers combined. The second  
planet taker also took more than your top planet taker. Maybe you NEED some  
designated oggers? I love reading through the message log and seeing  
everywhere, "OGG 8!" and then, maybe 10 minutes later, finally a kill message  
for me. Unfortunately 21 planets is about my upper limit. 

> R1->ROM  who wants to be third sc bomber?
>	Now THERE'S an idea! We can use HIM for kills too!

  Have a talk with Kd... If ever I needed that second kill so I could
take a planet, all I needed to do was find good old Cthulhu on my map, and
within seconds he was dead, and a planet was taken.

> R7->ROM  I have never seen ANYONE better at hitting cloakers in THREE YEARS
> R7->ROM  of playing netrek.
>	OH! If R7 says it, I guess he's a pretty clueful player to trust.
>	When HE says we were using borgs, I think we should all believe him.
>	Don't you think so too?

R7 = Video Sex Pope. Yeah, I'd say he knows what he's talking about. He has a  
much better rep than anyone from ISU at least.

> R7->ROM  oh, CHRIST, this lab's gonna close at 10...
>	Odd ain't it? The game is timed to 2 hours, and you should
>	actually plan for that!

  Yeah, we did. Your wonderful captain, (who again, is so much better than me)  
spent the first 30+ minutes of game time looking for players. And eventually we  
had to kick one of ours out. Maybe YOU should have planned to play a game which  
was scheduled WAY ahead of time.

>	For another look at that Conquer list:
>  The Klingons:
>           Ed Grimly (Kb) with 9 planets and 69 armies.
>               zoned (Kc) with 9 planets and 64 armies.
>          The Exodus (K0) with 8 planets and 47 armies.
>             griffon (K6) with 5 planets and 31 armies.
>              Wyvern (K2) with 3 planets and 78 armies.
>             Cthulhu (Kd) with 0 planets and 163 armies.
>         Coinspinner (Ke) with 2 planets and 10 armies.
>  The Romulans:
>                Guru (R8) with 21 planets and 132 armies.
>             Gandalf (R1) with 11 planets and 66 armies.
>           R. Blaine (R4) with 2 planets and 140 armies.
>     VideoSex Asylum (R5) with 0 planets and 186 armies.
>              marcus (Ra) with 2 planets and 35 armies.
>             Hagbard (R3) with 1 planets and 13 armies.
>              Madman (Rf) with 1 planets and 6 armies.
>
>	Now, I'm just curious as to why the general Netrek public is
>listening to this whiney group of morons. Can anyone think of ANY other
>reason why they might have lost? 

  Think again wonderboy... Add up the number of armies bombed, and planets  
taken, and compare them with yours. We're up on you by two planets, and 116  
armies... Then ask yourself why anyone would listen to you? (Except Botelle  
who'll take any side of a fight just so he can argue)

>p.s. to Guru: The torps don't follow the path of a hyperbola. They follow
>	the path designated by the function x^2 + (5*x)^(3/4)

  Looks like you need some basic lessons in math... Or maybe play a bit more  
netrek.

  *   *     *			Gee, looks like a hyperbola to me?
                *		Or maybe from your borg it looks different?
                   *		1) I know for a fact a blessed borg exists
                     *		   at ISU. I know the person pretty well who
                     *		   blessed it (he's no longer at ISU)
                     *		2) reserved.c is meaningless if your server God
                     *		   has it (in addition to any of his friends)  
				   and is also a member of the team.

  Drop the thread already. You ain't getting anything from me, and the only one  
who's willing to stake their rep on your borg usage is your own teammates. (Who  
have been having an interesting public conversation amongst themselves since  
the first post) (and who don't have a rep anyway).

-Mike Neuman (Guru) Captain: JoA
mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu