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From: huusko@cs.joensuu.fi (Mika Huusko)
Subject: X-MEN THE MOVIE: About casting and such...
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:55:39 GMT

I've been watching with interest the suggestions you people have been made for the forthcoming? X-Men movie. It seems to me that you may have missed a couple of points. With all-star cast you've been proposing, allmost all money would go to the payments of the actors instead of making the actual movie! Superstars like Arnold etc. are known to get humongous rewards for their roles. That's why I think the best solution would be to have a cast with un or little known actors.

The other point is about special effects. I'm doubtful wether or not they yet have the technology to make X-men to work as movie, and NOT to seem ridiculous. If special effects and such are not made properly, the whole thing will turn out to be a parody of itself. 

I hope that when or IF they make the movie, it will do justice the legend that is X-men...

With all respect,

                 Mika Huusko

                 huusko@cs.joensuu.fi


asdq
From: justice@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Stiehl)
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Subject: Hulk
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:21:33 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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	I was reading the lastest issue of the Hulk (#400) when a idea occured
	to me.
	I know that the new green Hulk is really the whole mind of Banner in
	one body. (i.e. Grey, and Green Hulk as well as Banner.)  
	But it occured to me that in every previous form the Hulk has been
	able to change into his 'Banner' form.  Whether that change was
	uncontrolable, like the original green Hulk, or on some kind of
	time share deal, like the grey Hulk, he's has usually had that other
	human form to change into.
	So the question is, could the Hulk in his present form change into a
	human form?  I know he told Betty that she had to get used to him in
	his new green Hulk form because after all he'd been exposed to gamma
	rays, but it seams strange to me to think that in this new form he 
	can't change into a human form.
	I mean no out side force changed him into the new Hulk it was some 
	kind of mental hypnosis that joined his fractured mind together.
	So with that in mind it would seam strange to take away a power
	that the Hulk has always had.
	Besides it might make his life with Betty a littl easyer.  I mean
	after all he is only about 5 times the size of Betty and life with
	a green colored walking tank like the Hulk could never really be 
	normal anyway.
	Any how I'm curious what other Hulk readers think about this.  
	Should the Hulk have another form?

	Justice

	justice@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

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From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Subject: Re: Sandman 44 (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.212256.1363@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>I doubt humanity has anything to do with Destruction leaving.  The Endless
>are not the Endless for humanity, but for EVERY being in the Universe. It
>would seem strange that on race's war-mongering would trouble Destruction.
>
>This of course than raises the question, why, then has destruction chosen to
>live on earth, whin in turn brings up, why is important anyway?

There is a VERSION of the Endless for every group of beings in the Universe,
but the story that WE'RE following, what with our being humans and all,
is the story of the Endless for humanity.  That's why we see them as human,
why we see the stories of the Endless as they relate to humans (like Rose
Walker, Johanna Constantine, et. al), why Destruction *SAID* that he was
distressed because mankind was starting to learn of the possibility of
conversion between matter and energy, and why I'm trying to convince y'all
that Delight became Delerium when mankind became sentient and learned the
difference between good and evil.
	I think that should answer your second questions, too.

IMPO, of course.


-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
"Meanwhile, in the dark impenetrable void, Jean-Paul Sartre was a-movin'
 and a-groovin'."
				-- MST 3000
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:09:07 GMT

In article <BxFz03.Bo0@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>
>Some other scary stuff that is coming out from the
>house of ideas.
>
>
>Life Of Christ: Christmas Story (1 of 3) I'm serious.
>It's even written by Louise Simonson.

[somewhat sacreligious joke here.  Hit 'n' if easily offended.]


Knowing Marvel, they'll try to make him a mutant. :^)
Or have Wolverine & The Punisher guest star!
Hmmm...how about Cable, Wolverine, and The Punsiher as the Three Wise Men! :^)
(Sorry if you were offended.  I warned you...)


>
>What if Cable had destroyed the X-Men.

What If Marvel Writers Hadn't Destroyed Continuity!  :^)

>
>Thats all
>
>Jed

Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ.
jdh@math.psu.edu

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Where B They Now?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:40:15 GMT

In article <4NOV199215080823@pavo.concordia.ca> f_alfan@pavo.concordia.ca (ALFANI, FABRIZIO) writes:
>
>What happened to/where is/what did (s)he turn into/how many times did (s)he
>come back from the dead/etc...
>
>Man-thing (as in he who fears shall burn...)

Recently appeared in the Incredible Hulk (ish 389 *I think*). Just generally
hanging around in the Everglades doing Scary Things (TM) to anyone who
happens to stumble along (in this case, a bunch of teenagers).

Mike
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kipling is Withnail (Was Re: new HELLBLAZER reader...needs background...)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:55:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxMI7s.HMv
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <andrew.721411903@cs.chalmers.se> andrew@cs.chalmers.se (Andrew
Moran) writes:
>David Henry writes:
>
>>It should be noted that the Kipling character in Doom Patrol (who appears
>>in basically every third storyline, I think) is basically a running
>>Constantine take-off.

>Not only that, he's a JC parody that has been pretty heavily based on
>Withnail from "Withnail and I".

Good point! I'm surprised I never saw that... but I agree completely, now
that I think about it.

>"Withnail and I", Handmade Films, mid-80s: damn fine film.  Watch it if
>you ever get the chance, and see where Kipling really comes from.

Ditto. Fine film, fine film.

-- 
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"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC: John Constantine's Who's Who
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:19:26 GMT

In article <w9LXTB6w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>> I note that a large number of Constantine's friends and relatives
>> are dead.  Would you consider this 'coincidence' or 'bad luck'? :)
>> 
>Fate.
>
>Malignant fate.

Could I ask for a clarification? It's unclear to me whether you mean that
John had tried to put the moves on Inza Nelson or the Maiden aspect of the
female trinity. Either could be interpreted as a way of getting Dr. Fate/Fate
pissed off at him. :-)

"Okay folks, here's your first question...What doesRING!" "SEX!"
"Beg pardon?" "SEX! SEX is the answer! SEX!SEX!SEX!"
"No, I'm afraid that's incorrect."
"Okay, the Magna Carta, then."  --Cowboy Wally's Trivia Lotto
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: ross@BofA.COM (Ross Lefstin)
Subject: Sandman #44 Redux (SPOILERS)
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:41:31 GMT

My contribution to the great 'Who shot Bernie Capax' debate.

I don't think its Lucien, it doesn't seem to be in character.  Others have
expressed my reasons, so I'll leave it be.

My first thought was that Destruction was covering his tracks.  He looks
in his early warning pool and sees that Dream & Delirium are searching
for him ("Trouble, big trouble"), and decides to wipe out any clues which
might lead them to him.
Since the pool is in the gallery, I'm inclined to believe that it is designed
to detect other family members, which would indicate that the trouble is
Dream & Del (but see below).
However, Destruction checks the pool after the attempts on Capax & Etain.
I realize that this doesn't necessarily mean anything, that the sequence
in the gallery could have preceded the death & explosion, but we don't
read about it until later.

I'd pretty much discarded the idea that it was Desire, since it doesn't
seem to be in its style.  But, last night I re-read Brief Lives from the
beginning, and at the end of #2 s/he tells Despair "We have to stop her".
Someone pointed out that Ruby's last thoughts were clearly in Desire's
realm, lending support to s/he as the culprit.
On the other hand, s/he should know better than to mess with Dream, given
his warning at the end of The Doll's House.

What about non-family?  Maybe whatever is killing off these folks is what
triggered the pool.
Loki came to mind, but I can't see what his motives would be, but then
again, he is the trickster.  But he is in no position to piss off Dream.
Maybe we'll see Dream collect on his favor!
Lucifer is another possibility, but I don't think he wants to have anything
to do with the order of the universe right now.  Of course, he did swear
to destroy Morpheus, and the key didn't do the trick...
Mr. G seems to be pretty conservative about introducing extraneous characters,
so I wouldn't expect it to be anyone we haven't heard of.

My vote's for Destruction.

BTW, I noticed that Despair recalls that Destruction abdicated 30 years
after their stroll through the plague town.

	Rasta

NO WAIT... its Lobo ensuring his place as the new Destruction...
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  The poor get the picture"  / \  are artifacts of observer dependent reality.
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44
Organization: The Confused Squids of the Poor
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:48:15 GMT

In <1992Nov10.214154.29701@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>In article <lsmith.721336572@hecto>, lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>> 
>> OK, what do we know about Ishtar as a movie? It wasn't very funny, 
>> it was way over budget and it was almost a year late. 

>Ah, maybe I'm misreading your postings again, but I think you're missing
>the connection with the ancient Babilonian goddess with the same name.
>Maybe the Travel Agent From Beyond Infinity is not the only one who comes
>from that particular region of the space-time continuum...

Looking back on my posts re: Ishtar, I notice I've really made a hash of
what I've been trying to say. Perhaps the prospect of the strip club in the
next issue has me all hot and bothered. 

Let me see if I can sum up the three things I meant to get across.

First, Ishtar is the name of a Babylonian goddess. Considering we've
met Pharamond, I'm assuming that the Dancing Lady is the genuine article.
However, Ishtar is a really strange name for an exotic dancer to use
on stage. (Unless she dances at a place frequented by professors and 
grad students from a nearby university.) Pharamond became Farrell. 
Wouldn't Ishtar dance as something mundanely exotic like Candi?

The Conspiracy Theory. On re-reading issue #44 I noticed that Ishtar is
not on the list that Roger reads for the next set. Instead it looks like
Cat is at the top of the list. Considering the problems that Mr G had 
with the last Miracleman collection, I was thinking he might have been
thinking bad thoughts about Eclipse and cat yronwode. Ishtar as a movie
was late and over budget. OK, I admit it's a long stretch.

Back to Ishtar as a goddess. The exact role of Ishtar in the various 
mythologies she was spooned into is somewhat muddled. (For some reason,
the roles of goddesses are more often inconsistent, with goddesses being used 
in many different roles.) She served as the center of a season cycle like 
Etain does. She was a goddess of sex and war, where she probably met the
Prodigal. In her role as Quadishtu, she is, as Dani pointed out, the patroness 
of temple prostitutes. Perhaps that's why she's looking after Tiffany.

The one question I have on Ishtar is, if she is the Babylonian goddess, why
does Pharamond think he is the last of his pantheon? Why does Morpheus
agree with him?  
--
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  St Just says that is enough to warrant his 
    Reynard and Tybert's   |  death. I do not wish to argue with St Just."
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:14:26 GMT

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

>I've seen the future and it scares me.

>Let's see what I remember: (there are no spoilers here)

>X-MEN CHRONICLES:  The long feared X-Men quarterly.  First issue features a 
>Storm/Cyclops/Prof. X story by Lobdell (yay--not) and Kerry Gammil

Not as scary as the new Fantastic Four book called
`Fantastic Four Unlimited'. It will be done by Mackie,
Thomas,Trimpe,Decarlo.

>CABLE:  The Unlimited Series--hey why not, it will take an unlimited time until
>issue 2 of the LS shows up. :-)  One good point, Art Thirbet will do the art.

Yeah where is it? JRjr is not a slow artist unless I
remember incorrectly.

>SILVER SURFER/WARLOCK LS:  STARLIN DOES STARLIN--I'll get it!

Also on Starlin he is doing a two part limited series
called `Punisher: The Ghosts Of Innocence' with Grinberg
pencilling.

>Lot's o Barbie stuff:  She got her own section.  I didn't look at it.

I just can't wait till Barbie's penciller becomes `HOT'
and in a few years people will be scouring the comic shop
for Barbie back issues.

>I belive that I saw that Bob (don't get me started with him) Harris will be
>taking over NAMOR.  (I think it was Namor, He's taking over SOMETHING)

Yes he is taking over Namor as of issue 35. The good news 
is that Jae Lee is staying on as penciller.

>There Will be LOTS MORE Marvel Uk stuff.  This is good or bad, depending on how 
>you like them.  (I find some of them good)

New Marvel UK stuff: Mys-tech Wars (4 part limited) - team 

Some other scary stuff that is coming out from the
house of ideas.

Due out in the one month (nov or dec)

Iron Man #289 (The return of Tony Stark) I hope Superman
stays dead longer than that.

Life Of Christ: Christmas Story (1 of 3) I'm serious.
It's even written by Louise Simonson.

Marvel Year In Review

Shadow Riders - Introducing a motley crew of bikers, each
with their own special powers given to them by the Dark
Angel. Guest starring GHOST RIDER & CABLE

Three different Spiderman say no to drug type comics with
one written by Lobdell and one pencilled by Herb Trimpe.

Venom (1 of 6)

What if Cable had destroyed the X-Men.

Hulk is a guest star twice.
Ghost Rider is a guest star thrice. This excludes the
Ghost Rider\Cloak and Dagger story in MCP.

The next month after that

Amazing Spiderman #375 HOLO-GRAFIX METALLIC COVER

Avengers #360 - Double sized

Cage #12 - Double sized

Iron Man #290 - Double sized

Punisher guest stars twice
Ghost rider guest stars once
Wolverine guest stars twice
Spiderman guest stars twice

Thats all

Jed
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Organization: Inspector Squid of the Poor Yard
Distribution: na 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:34:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.055315.1858@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>	It couldn't be Desire either, because Gaiman's too clever for that.
>  I'm not convinced that it's not Dream himself, although I think it's
>  pretty unlikely.  I'm not going to hazard any original guesses, though,
>  because 1) I'm always wrong and 2) I'd rather wait and see what happens.

You know, I've been wondering about Desire. Isn't it a bit too cliched to
say he/she's the obvious choice therefore he/she couldn't have done it? 
Consideringthe hoops we were sent through in Season, perhaps it will be
the obvious this time. As someone (forgive me, I've forgotten who) said,
it would be nice if it was occasionally the obvious answer.

Just to add something to the case against Desire, way back in the prologue
to Season we had this exchange (page 7 of collection panels 3-5):

Destiny:  Only one of us who will be attending this gathering, Despair. 
          Wherever the other is, he made his wishes on the matter perfectly
          clear.
Death:    Yeah, but I had kinda hoped he'd changed his mind. I miss him.
Despair:  We all miss him.
Desire:   I don't.

Desire's line comes in from off panel. Only the style of the word baloon
says that it is his/her comment.

I'm still not going to commit to this solution, but I don't think that 
Desire can be ruled out merely on the basis of her/him being the most
likely suspect.
--
   Lance "RainDog" Smith     |   "Outrageous, alarming, courageous, charming.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |    Oh, who would think a boy and bear 
   Still waiting for the     |    could be well accepted everywhere
    Great Leap Forward.      |    It's just amazing how fair people can be."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:41:54 GMT

In article <lsmith.721336572@hecto>, lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> 
> OK, what do we know about Ishtar as a movie? It wasn't very funny, 
> it was way over budget and it was almost a year late. 

Ah, maybe I'm misreading your postings again, but I think you're missing
the connection with the ancient Babilonian goddess with the same name.
Maybe the Travel Agent From Beyond Infinity is not the only one who comes
from that particular region of the space-time continuum...

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history..
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:16:38 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In <lsmith.721165401@deci>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
writes:

[	spoiler removed since this ain't really a spoiler	]

>(BTW, there's one theory that states that ROYGBIV came from Newton trying
> to match colors to available paint pigments. Thus we're stuck with indigo.)

   If my chem teacher was right, ROYGBIV came from an attempt to match the
colors of the spectrum to the Western 8-note musical scale, since this would
show some incredible balance between sight and sound, and demonstrate the
perfectness of the creations of the universe or something like that.  Of
course, the fact that some Asian cultures use a 5-note scale and other cultures
use other "octave" scales didn't really figure into this much.

   Now that I think of it, this doesn't have much to  do with the issue
or with comics.  Oh, well.

-- Ed
Edward C. Liu				|  "Sorry 'bout your girlfriend turning
Carnegie-Mellon University		|   out to be a fiendish, bloodsucking
Information Networking Institute, '93	|   freak from the netherworld..."
el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (E-L, not E-One)	|	-- _Darkwing Duck_
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
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Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:41:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov6.221517.28346@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes...
> 
>Today I was able to look at MARVEL's Editorial Preview Guide (Thanx to Wayne @
>Time Warp INC.) and the future does not look bright.  Sence reading it, I've 
>noticed that some of the things are already in PREVIEWS and ADVANCE COMICS (w/
>the nifty Vertigo preview).
> 
>Mike"I let Tom&Mary do whatever they want" Eury WILL be takeing over SHE-HULK 
>with 51.  50 (Byrne's last) Will have super gimmicks galore.

Like what?

>There was no mention of Byrne's IRON FIST.

What?!!!  I was looking forward to Byrne's Iron Fist collaboration with Jae 
Lee.  I LIKE what the two did in Namor.

>I belive that I saw that Bob (don't get me started with him) Harris will be
>taking over NAMOR.  (I think it was Namor, He's taking over SOMETHING)

He already has taken over the writing chores as of issue 33.  I liked it.  
Good thing it still has Jae Lee's art.

 - Wayne.
P.S.  Hey, Scavenger-without-quotation-marks, where are the survey results?
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Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 10:52:48 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSH: Elizabeth in lettercol!
	<1dh6j4INN9l1@agate.berkeley.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 7-Nov-92 Re: LSH: Elizabeth
in lette.. Coffee@e260-3f.berkeley. (626)

> In article <1992Nov7.175718.12691@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani
> Zweig) writes:
> >>Now I wonder: does this lend any credence to the theory that they only
> >>publish positive letters? };>
> >
> >Don't be silly.  It tells us that if you want to appear in the letter
> >column, your name/id should begin with an 'e'.

> So, what would be a cool way to switch Mikel
> around so I can get printed?  :)


> Mikel B.


hmm. El Kim, maybe? :)

--Vernon.