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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:11:25 GMT

spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:

>There was a discussion about the literacy rate in another net so I have asked a
>professor from one of the universities in Istanbul. He told me that there was
>a poll around 1905 about literacy rate (carried out by a French
>organization). Results were %95 percent of the population were able to
>read. He was not sure about the number for the people who can read and
>write. This was quite reasonable because everbody was learning how to
>read Qur'an. People were using almost the same letters of Qur'an in
>their life. Even today I think the rate of the people who can read 
>Qur'an is much higher than the people who can read Latin scripts.
>I don't know if any study done on this.

If you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. It has
an excellent view of the Bosporus and the Golden Horn.

Let me get this straight:

1. You believe that 95% of the people in the Ottoman Empire could
read in 1905? That would make it probably the highest literacy
rate in the world. Quite an achievement. I'd like to see more
documentation on this. Where was this poll conducted? I find the
notion of a reliable poll covering the Ottoman Empire at that time
even more incredible. The dearth of statistical information about
the Ottoman Empire has been a problem for a lot of social
scientists. Perhaps your 'professor' in Istanbul should publish
this information and become famous. 

2. You believe that *today* more people can read Qur'an (I'm presuming
in Arabic Script) than those who can read the Latin script. That's
even more unbelievable. You are simply deluding yourself.

>Regards 
>Beytullah

Serdar
>                         

> 





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-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
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From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
Subject: Re: Ah, Istanbul'da olmak
Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (KKTC IS 9!)
Organization: Stockholm Universty
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:39:42 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.183527.2436@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir) writes:
|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
|>Path: kth.se!sunic!mcsun!uunet!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de!news!piggy!bakd
|>From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
|>Subject: Ah, Istanbul'da olmak
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov19.183527.2436@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>
|>Sender: news@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (News Service)
|>Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
|>Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
|>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:35:27 MET
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|>
|>Merhaba !
|>Gecen yaz tatilinde gucel bir sarki dinledim.
|>Sarkici: EMEL
|>Soz:Melike Demirag
|>Beyki siz'de beygenirsinis:
|>
|>Yayimisiz Dunyanin dort bir yanina
|>Kimisi Kopenhag'da kimisi Paris
|>Bedenimiz ora burada dolanir amma
|>Cok hemde cok uzak yerde kalbimiz
|>--------------------------------------------
|>Bir alli turna olsam, karli daglari assam
|>Varsam bizim ellere,kendi gogum de ucsam
|>----------------------------------------------
|>Simdi Istanbul'da olmak vardi anasini satayim
|>pufur..........
|>
|>
|>
|>---
|>Birol Akdemir
|>Adress :
|>e-mail: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
|>
|>
|>
Gercekten guzel, fakat
Emel Sayin'in seslendirdigi "Kiz sen Istanbul'un
neresindensin " daha hos degil mi?...

Hilmi Eren
Department Of Computer And Systems Science
Stockholm Universty, Sweden
INTERNET: Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim)
Subject: Kaya ve Arkadaslarina
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:48:28 GMT


Kaya ve destekcilerine bir islam aliminin kisa bir notunu
iletmek istiyorum. Insaallah ibret alirlar.
....
Sizi fisk ve seytanin yoluna tesvik edenlere $oyle soyle:
"Eger olumu oldurup, zevali dunyadan izale etmek (hayatin son bulmasini
onlemeyi), aczi ve fakri (yoksulluk veya caresizligi) beserden (insandan) 
kaldirip kabir kapisini kapamanin caresi varsa, SOYLE
dinleyelim. Yoksa SUS. 
Kur'an kainati okuyor! Onu dinleyelim ve o nur ile nurlanalim.
....

aktaran 
Hasan Yetim
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "visser-ians" are "karakus", literally.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:51:32 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <visser.721982280@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	The multu-messages were forgeries in the classic sense, but
>the Argic material cannot be called a forgery.  (The legality of the

And, all in all you are just another crook in the wall. Anyway,
a genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people
in an attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime
in history. It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and
Armenian dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed
in the worst ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that
the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no
denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
Muslims happened.

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The 
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
 of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged 
 massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
 intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
 on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
 few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
 Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
 destruction of 300 villages."

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
 and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
 hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
 during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
 the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
 official charges of massacres."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: aysan@sce.carleton.ca (Can Firat Aysan)
Subject: Besiktas-Fener maci?
Summary: Besiktas-Fener maci ?
Keywords: soccer news?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:38:45 GMT

Besiktas-Fener maci hakkinda bilgisi olanlara haber gecilmesi cagrisi.
Tesekkurler. 


--
oops !! Fatal error , core dumped.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hilmi-er@.dsv.su.se 
Subject: Re: Kaya ve Arkadaslarina...
Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (KKTC IS 9!!!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:31:46 GMT


|> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:

|>Bu Islam aliminin dedigine gore, Kuran fakirligi, olumu ve acizligi  
|>yokedebiliyormus.

+ Vallahi bravo, "mis,mus"-larla kafana ne esiyorsa kaleme aliyorsun... 
+ Isine ne gelirse.....

|>Dunya uzerindeki 
|>en fakir, en aciz ve aclik icinde olumu bekleyen insanlar neden musluman?

+ Kaya Bey,bu dedigin insanlar ac ve fakir durumda Islamiyeti secmis 
+ insanlardir, senin demek istedigin gibi onlarin fakirliginin nedeni  
+ Islamiyet degildir. 

|>Kuran mi bu insanlarin acliktan olumune engel oluyor, acizliklerini engelliyor?

+ Yukaridaki kendi *uydurdugun* sozcuge, " ...Kuran fakirligi, olumu ve acizligi  
+ yokedebiliyormus.", kendin cevap veriyorsun, pes vallahi.... Kuran 
+ fakirligi vs yokedebiliyormus diyen kim, insanin icindeki fakirligi, 
+ yalnizligi zenginlestirir Islamiyet, senin dedigin gibi "zengin" ancak 
+ Milli Piyangoyla olunur.....   

|>Kaya Guralp bendeniz 20 asrin sonlarinda diyorum ki: 
|> "Kuran'in anlattiklarini gercek saymak hatadir. Kuran celiskiler ve 
|> hatalarla doludur. Ey Islamcilar! Eger bu hatalara alternatif aciklama 
|> getiremiyorsaniz susun.  
|> Baskalarinin fikirlerini aktarmaktan zevk alacagina, kendi fikrini  
|> kendi vicdanin ve aklinla bul ve soyle, beni ot beyinli Islam alimiyle  
|> muhatap ettirme." 
|> 
|> 
|> Gelin aklimizi kullanalim. Tanriya inanmaktan once, Tanri'yi anlayalim. 
|>Gelen din kitaplarinin soylediklerini harfi harfine inanmak yerine 
|>kendi aklimizla nasil iyi insan olunur onu bulalim.  
|> 
|> saygilarimla 
|> kaya

+ Bir zamanlar Amerika'da Hindistanli bir "guru" vardi, bu "guru" 
+ aynen senin gibi isine gelen seyleri soyluyordu, ve senin bakisin acisindan 
+ basarmisti-cok zengin olmustu, bir ara 74 tane Rolls Royce vardi ve buyuk bir kamp'i vardi 
+ bu kamp'ta kendine guveni zayif olan insanlar cirilciplak geziyorlardi. Bir ara 
+ "guru"'nun sekreteri milyon dolarlari alip kaciverdi...guru aklini kaybetip 
+ kendini mahkemede buldu, sinir disi karari alindi, guru ortadan kayboldu...

+ Kaya Bey, demek istedigim senin gibi "cirtlak" otenler, isine geleni  
+ soyleyenler dunya halki icin yeni degil....Zamani gelir bu guru kadar 
+ adamin olursa, basarmis olursun, fakat Islamiyeti secmis milyonlarca insanin 
+ deger verdigi dusuncelere bok atman dogrusu senin gibi filosofa yakismaz.... 
+ Konuyu soyle baglayim:" Filosof , filosof, filosoflasma...(MFO)"...

+ Hoscakaliniz..

+ Hilmi Eren 
+ Department Of Computer And Systems Science 
+ Stockholm Universty, Sweden 
+ Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
From: guncer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Otomatik Portakal )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kaya ve Arkadaslarina
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:24:52 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University


In article <1992Nov15.204828.3363@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hasan Yetim) writes:
> 
> Kaya ve destekcilerine bir islam aliminin kisa bir notunu
> iletmek istiyorum. Insaallah ibret alirlar.
> .....
> Sizi fisk ve seytanin yoluna tesvik edenlere $oyle soyle:
> "Eger olumu oldurup, zevali dunyadan izale etmek (hayatin son bulmasini
> onlemeyi), aczi ve fakri (yoksulluk veya caresizligi) beserden (insandan) 
> kaldirip kabir kapisini kapamanin caresi varsa, SOYLE
> dinleyelim. Yoksa SUS. 
> Kur'an kainati okuyor! Onu dinleyelim ve o nur ile nurlanalim.
> .....
> 
> aktaran 
> Hasan Yetim

Vay be abi yaa, ibret aldim. Pismanim abi be, noolur affedin! Soz, gunde 
iki defa Al-Sizinti'yi hatmedecegim. Kaptan Kusto Musluman olmadi diyen 
bu gomanis bozuntularina artik kanmayacagim. Cok ayip Kaya bey, hic mi 
Allah'tan korkmazsin bre gafil?

Bu sabah Kuran'i karistirirken kuantum odevinin cozumune rastladim. 
Allah-u Akbar! Bir ummi col Arabi nasil olur da Feynman cizgelerini bundan 
1400 sene once bulur? Mucize!

Islah olmus kardesiniz,
Abdul-Mohammad (eski ismimi de biraktim, daha Islami olmus degil mi?)
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Serdar Argic and His Posts
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:12:33 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov18.023959.17028@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins548h@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr M.S. Popkowski) writes:

>How come? Isn't it "talk.politics.soviet", not "talk.politics.turkish-greek"?

And "talk.politics.soviet" =/ "talk.politics.russia".

Over 60 million Turks live in xUSSR. Now, let us hear an extraordinary man, 
Mustafa Cemiloglu, leader of the Crimean Tatar National Movement. 

Tatars are demanding:

- 500,000 Crimean Turks, residing in other parts of USSR, to be allowed
  to return to their homeland, and live freely in a new republic of
  their own,
- Soviet propaganda version of the Crimean Turks' history to be 
  corrected,...

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: INTELLECT by Ibn Rushd
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:04:31 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

As for the relation of the intellect to man, perhaps we can best understand it
by means of a simile.{1}
 
The intellect resembles sunlight mirrored in a kaleidoscope of manifold
reflecting bodies, in which men are like dewdrops, varying in size and
shape. The quantitative differences in the glassy surfaces, observable
in the dewdrops, may be compared to the passible intellect, that is,
to their individual different dispositions. When the sun, the agent
intellect, sends out its rays on the dewdrops, the smooth glassiness
of these drops of dew becomes luminous, capable of mirroring external
objects, and this luminosity, a common character in every dewdrop, may
be compared to the material intellect. The material intellect, in our
comparison the sunny luminosity, is not an emergence from the dewdrops. 
Water can never turn into sunshine. Rather, the material intellect is
to be conceived as analogous to the sun which radiates actively and
is reflected passively, although its luminosity can come into
existence only in the presence of dewdrops. The radiance of the sun 
-- the agent intellect -- in conjunction with the luminosity of the
sun -- the material intellect -- results in a reflection, different 
altogether according to the individual drop of dew. The refracted light
is the speculative intellect or intellect in habit.
 
With the disappearance of dewdrops, their glassy surface and their
refracted light, that is, the passible intellect and intellect in
habit of individual men disappear also. Death, however, cannot
touch the agent and the material intellect. The effulgence of the
sun, released from the state of bodily differentiation, returns into
itself. But men are destined for a second creation, when, again as 
glassy surfaces, they will reflect the source of all light for all 
eternity.
 
{1} This simile is an adaptation of that used by S.C.Tornay,
"Averroes' Doctrine of the mind," Philosofic Review, LII (1943),
278, where he concludes that Averroes' theory of the intellect
allows only for an impersonal immortality for man.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: AKIL - DEVE - KAYA  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:48:21 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

[basi silindi]  
  
> 'Suphesiz semavat ve arzin yaratilmasinda, gece ile gunduzun birbiri  
> pesinden gelmesinde, insanlarin faydasina olan seyleri denizde tasiyarak  
> yuzup giden gemilerde, Allah'in gokten indirdigi bir su ile olmus olan  
> topragi diriltmesinde, yeryuzunde her cesit canliyi yaymasinda,  
> ruzgarlari ve yer ile gok arasinda emre amade bekleyen bulutlari don-  
> durmesinde elbette AKLEDEN topluluk (millet) icin (Allah'in varligini  
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
'topluluk' degil 'millet' degil 'kavim/ulus'..  
  
> ve birligini isbatlayan) pek cok deliller vardir.'  
> Bakara Suresi-Ayet 164  
>   
> Not: Sayin Hakki bey millet konusunda birseyler yazmisti. Bu ayet-i  
> kerimede sanirim millet kelimesi ile akleden yani inanan topluluk  
                   ^^^^^^  
'millet' degil 'kavim/ulus'...  
  
> kasdediliyor. Dolayisi ile Kur'an da iki tip millet mevcuttur, birisi  
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
'millet' degil 'kavim/ulus'...  
  
> akleden millet (ki akledenlerin yukaridaki ayette kimler oldugu acikca   
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
'akleden millet' degil 'akleden kavim/ulus'  
  
iki tip degil, yuzlerce tip...  
daha dogrusu bak Kuran'da 'kavim' kelimesinin gectigi ayetlere...  
  
kavimler 'akleden/zulmeden/dusunen/dusunmez/bilgili/bilgisiz/yalanlayan/  
iman-eden/dusman/cahil/kor/musrif/soyleneni-az-anlayan/v.s.' olarak  
kalifiye edilmektedir.  
  
> belirtilmekte) digeri AKLETMEYEN.  
  
> 'Allah murdarlik (azabini), akillarini kullanmayanlara verir'  
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
> (Yunus Suresi Ayet 100).  
  
'akillarini kullanmayanlara' degil 'akletmeyenlere'   
  
> ARTIK ATARKEN BIRAZ DAHA DIKKATLI AT, BIRKAC KUR'AN-I KERIM  
> MEALINI BEN DE TEMIN ETTIM.   
  
aslini da gozden uzak tutma :-)  
  
> Simdilik Hoscakal  
>   
> Beytullah  
>   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ehsan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ehsanullah Ateeqi)
Subject: Emre'ye...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220138.1792@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, e_alper@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>....
>  anlasilmasin, kesinlikle Ataturk'un her yaptigi dogru idi diye bir iddiam yok.
>....

   Bunu anladik. Peki, acaba bir "Musluman" olarak Allah(CC)'in her dediginin
   ve O'nun elcisi Hz. Muhammed'in (SAV) her yaptiginin dogru olduguna
   Emre Bey'ler inaniyorlar mi acaba? Bunu lutfederseniz derin meraklari
   gidermis olursunuz.

>...
> okuduktan sonra muslumanlara (ki ben de Muslumanim) ve Islam'a karsi bir
>...                               ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
>...
> Ilim ilim bilmektir,
> Ilim kendin bilmektir,
> Sen TURKCE'yi bilmezsen
> Ya nice okumaktir?
> 
>                Emre 1992

                       ( Ilim ilim bilmektir.
			 Ilim kendin bilmektir.
			 Sen kendini bilmezsin.
			 Bu nice okumaktir? )
Okudum bildim deme,
Cok ta'at kildim deme.
Eger HAK'ki bilmezsen
Bu KURU LAF demektir!

                Yunus EMRE 13.yy
From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kaya muhabbeti
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:20:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Mustafa Ozbayrak writes :-
 

|Ya hazret, biraz fazla dagitmis gibisin. Ne yazdiginin cidden farkinda degilsin,
|bilebildigim kadar (SAV, Sallallahu aleyhi veSellem) peygamber'e saygi ve hur-
|met'en soylenen bir soz. Hem, tepeden tirnaga kufrediyorsun hem de (SAV)'i
|eksik etmiyorsun, ne istir acaba?
|Mustafa

Cahalet iste Mustafa kardes. Adam zaten KAYA.  

Ercan
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From: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: 40LAR 7LER
Reply-To: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:41:30 GMT

In article <10292324.64159.11937@kcbbs.gen.nz>,
Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
> Hey 7LER, 40LAR, Sagcilar, Solcular, Gobekciler, Suleymancilar,
Yucevitciler,
>     Sozalcilar, Hin-onuculer, Kemalciler, Refahtanbakancilar,
PurKapKaccilar, 
>     Bilmem-daha-neciler, - Muhallebiciler, Gullabiciler, Tenekeciler
!!!

	Burasi cok hos (guldurucu), insanlar neden kutuplastirilmali?
  
> Simdi cevap verin !
>  
> EGEMENLIK ULUS'un mu ? MILLET'in mi ?
	Hakki kardes biraz EGEMENLIK kavramini aciklarsan sevinirim.
	neyin egemnligi soz konusu burada?

  
> :->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->
> yanit mi desem, cevap mi ?
	Yanit dersen herkes anlar, boylece yanlis sozcuk kullandin 
	kavgasini ictenlikele ortadan kaldirmis olursun.

  
> Asagi tukursem biyigim,
> Yukari tukursem sakalim...
	Neden tukurmek zorundayiz?

  
> HAH-HAA !! ;-> AT MAT OLDU...
> :->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->:->
>  
> 
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From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: ``KURANDAN LAUBALI AYETLER'' Dizisi (Part I)
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:55:34 GMT


  Kuran'da oldukca laubali ayetler bulunmakta. Bu laubali ayetler peygamberin
 bunlari uydururken hangi ruh durumunda oldugunu gostermeleri acisindan
 oldukca onemlidirler.
 
  Asagida da anlayacaginiz gibi peygamber gelen ziyaretcilerden birazcik
 bunalmis durumda. Gelen ziyaretcilerin muhabbete kalmasi peygamberi
 bayagi uzuyor. Ozel hayatina fazla zaman ayiramiyor. Ayrica gelen
 misafirlerden peygamberin hanimlarina sarkanlar da oldugunu dusunurseniz,
 peygamberin ne derecede dertli oldugunu eminim anlarsiniz. GAliba Muhammed
 biraz kiskanc bir adammis. Artik is Allah'a dusuyor, gelen ziyeretcileri 
 savmak icin Allah hemen bir ayet indiriyor. Iste ayet:


 Ahzab Suresi
   53 EY INANANLAR! PEYGAMBERIN EVLERINE, YEMEGE CAGRILMAKSIZIN VAKITLI
      VAKITSIZ GIRMEYIN; FAKAT DAVET EDILIRSENIZ GIRIN VE YEMEGI YIYINCE,
      DAGILIN. SOHBET ETMEK ICIN DE GIRIP OTURMAYIN. Bu haliniz peygamberi
      uzuyor, o da size bir sey soylemeye cekiniyor. Allah gercegi
      soylemekten cekinmez. *PEYGAMBERIN ESLERINDEN BIR SEY ISTEYECEGINIZDE 
      ONU PERDE ARKASINDAN ISTEYIN.* BU SAYEDE SIZIN GONULLERINIZ DE, ONLARIN
      gonulleri de daha temiz kalir. Bundan sonra ne Allah'in peygamberini 
      uzmeniz ve ne de O'nun eslerini nikahlamaniz asla caiz degildir. Dogrusu
      bu, Allah katinda buyuk seydir.
   54 Bir seyi aciklasaniz da gizleseniz de Allah suphesiz hepsini bilir.

 
  Kuran'da bu gibi bir suru ayet bulunmakta. Kuran'i okumak aslinda bayagi
 eglenceli. Herkese tavsiye ederim.

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