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From: hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: one-set on Nautilus?
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:27:10 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Jul25.204901.8880@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
+In article <BryFM5.ABv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou) writes:
+> I was reading this book called 'The Nautilus Book' and inside
+> it recommended that you do only one set to failure on each machine,
+> and get outta there as fast as you can, so your workout only
+> lasts 15-25 minutes or something like that.  Is that better,
+> like the book says, or is it better to do three sets or something
+> like that?
+
+Actually, if you really do what Jones is saying here, you will
+build bulk and get a fairly decent cardiovascular workout.  The
+trick is not to rest.  I didn't find that I could bulk up nearly
+as well as if I did low reps and rested between.  But then, that's
+the key to aerobic exercise.  I'm not convinced that Nautilus, or
+any other workout like this (any exercises without resting) will
+bulk up any better than any other exercise.  It's just that any
+activity in which you are working all muscles and working near
+maximum capacity is a good workout.

If you are a completely sedentary slug who has not done any kind
of exercise since getting out of the mandatory stuff they push on
you in junior high school, yes, you'll build a small amount of bulk,
and get a moderate cardiovascular workout.

If you are in better shape, or have ever done anything more efficient,
then Jones' theory is inadequate for anything more than maintaining
moderate conditioning and size.  This has been proven experimentally
by Jones' own institute.  One-set-to-failure simply does not provide
adequate muscle fiber recruitment to stimulate sustained growth.
However, a 15-25 minute continuing weight exercise will give some
CV training effects, if you can actually make it continual, which is
problematic when dealing with the usual Nautilus facility.

But there are much more efficient ways to do both.
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:19:18 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Jul28.141727.12865@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:

[about elevated metabolism following exercise]

>Well, I'd be reluctant to dismiss previous scientific info based on just
>ONE study.  Still, the thought is disturbing.

WHAT previous scientific info?  A serious question, previous reports
have more the flavor of folk wisdom.

-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Who is this Crick person anyways ? 
Keywords:  Twit, loser
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.161343.8655@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>
> What an original comeback, with such wit and wisdom available on my
>computer screen I see no reason to ever venture outside.  What happened,
>did your Thighmaster slip causing you some inconvenience?


   Uh, I may be wrong, but *WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK, CRICK!!*
                            **********************************************

A concerned customer of Cafe Earth
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: book/reference on fitness topics
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:27:16 GMT

>From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
>
>I'd like the book contain info on heart rates, target rate, metabolism,
>weight loss, suggestions of safe workouts, info on how many calories
>various exercises burn (e.g., cycling, running, etc) and other related
>information. I am not particularly interested in weight lifting.
>
>So, what is your favorite book/reference?

"The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey will tell you all of these things
(and more).

Janice

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Janice Green, Research Programmer      Social Science Data Center   __o
Janice_Green@Brown.edu                 Brown University           _`\<,_
SSDC2@BROWNVM          -+||-----||+-   Providence, RI (USA)      (*)/ (*)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:29:59 GMT

In article <9227@alvin.mcnc.org>, ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.151446.8834@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
|> >>Fat metabolism lasts as long as you are exercising.
|> 
|> >Yes, but it doesn't wind down until some time after you stop exercising.
|> >How long does that take?
|> 
|> A straightforward way of measuring how long your metabolism is elevated
|> after exercise would be to monitor your heart rate.  When it is back to
|> normal, so is your metabolism.  I haven't seen any information on
|> the split between fat and glucose for this elevated metabolism.

I read a rather discouraging short article in the newspaper a couple of 
months ago saying that a "recent study" was not able to confirm the popu-
lar (boy, IS it popular!  I've heard everything from 4 hours to 19 hours!) 
theory that metabolic rate stays elevated AFTER a workout.  Their study
indicated that metabolic rate only stayed elevated while the heart rate
was elevated.  The article gave few details, and I posted a question on
this newsgroup at that time asking if anyone had any more information,
but no one did.  I think we all want to go on believing, even if it ISN'T
true, that our metabolism just keeps churning away, hours after our workout 
is over.  

Sigh.
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate & Gaba
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:18:48 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul23.025412.13393@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba) writes:
> Does anybody know anything about either of these supplemetns, either
> Gaba or Vanadyl Sulfate. I have heard greatthings about t he both of
> them. Please send mail, but here is fine too. Thanks!
> 
> -Mike
> 
> -- 
> Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World

Mike,  GABA stands for Glutamic Acid aminobutyrate.  According to the book
SLICED by Bill Reynolds and Negrita Jayde, it acts as a neurotransmitter in the
central nervous system, it increased the secretion of growth hormone and it 
gives the muscles a fuller, rounder appearance.
Whether or not this is true, I don't know.  I haven't taken the stuff so I can't
say.  I've heard in the gym that people like it, but whether or not it does 
anything, I don't know.  Let me research it a little more and I'll post my
findings. (as well as Vanadyl Sulfate)

Rob
Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Squats for maximum gain
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:17:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul26.211738.16625
Organization: Western Washington University


When I started getting back into squats, about a month (?) ago,
they made me so sick I thought I needed a doctor.  Per advice 
by netters, I cut down from 5 sets of 20 reps, to 5 sets of 10 
reps with light weights, and have been working the reps and weight 
up very slowly.

I have been the machine squat rack (universal?) at
5 sets of 13 reps with

146, 180, 215, 180, 146 lbs, 	all very easy, with no seeing
black, nausea, or tachycardia like at first.  (I did see a
doctor, btw, about that 210/min bout of tachycardia the first
time.  She said that level would only be harmfull if sustained,
and since it hasn't happened again, not to worry about it. [the
tachycardia, not the exercize ;-)] )

My next step is either to keep the weight and move back up to
5 sets of 20 reps, or to keep the reps and move the weight up
~40 lbs, gradually over the next few workouts.

My question is, which is recommended for maximum gains in either
size or strength?   I know super-high reps are not recommended for
most things, but squats have always seemed different than other
exercizes to me in this regard, and when I used to real squats before,
I would do like 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, reps of ~135-185-225 lbs (medium
heavy to me), unlike the 6-12 reps of most things, and it was these
medium weight/high reps, that seemed to feel right at the time.

Maybe I need something different now, I don't know.

JD
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Subject: Re: Anyone Use a Treadmill?
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Keywords: treadmill, NordicTrack
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:09:15 GMT

In article <Jul.23.11.07.42.1992.27511@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>Could anyone recommend a good treadmill, preferably with incline/
>decline, heart rate monitor, and also nicely programmable?
>I'm a 240+ lb bodybuilder, so it should be somewhat rugged.

Have you considered a NordicTrack - any of their higher-end models from the
Achiever ($599) come with adjustable inclination and should be able to handle
your weight.  For any NordicTrack, the heart-rate-monitor is an available
option - I believe that it is standard for the models above the Achiever.

Yeah, I know I sound like a NordicTrack ad - but I bought mine only after
using one in a gym for a couple of years.  If you have a NordicTrack
showroom in your area, give them a visit and see if you like it.
-- 
-----------------------+------------------------+------------------------------
Dana Crom              | Silicon Graphics, Inc. |  Smile - let them *WONDER* 
danac@morc.asd.sgi.com | (415) 390-1449         |  what you've been up to . . .
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: love handles/last time
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:57:18 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Garrison H. Langford writes:


(my info deleted)

>This kind of information sharing can be damaging, and I mean
>physically, to people - I must join the bandwagon in saying
>please don't post this kind of thing unless you know what youre
>talking about - 


Just what don't you agree with, that I have offered valid info given by
my trainer, a professional bodybuilder, who has told me on numerous occasions
that leg raises won't make mass gains in the obliques; you'll only tighten up?

Or do you not agree with my contention that not all exercises work for
everyone.  This is true; all bodies respond to exercise a little differently.
Any advanced bodybuilder knows this.  

Or do you disagree with the idea that doing these exercises will make
his body 'tighten up'?

My information is valid, and on top of info I have given, I have
recognized the fact that his body may not respond as other have responded
to the same exercise.  This has to be said as I do not know much about
his lifestyle.

I told him what I have seen work on other people, including myself.  Then I
told him he may not get the same results, and I gave him advice from an
expert.

This information is not "damaging".  If you think it is, cite references
which prove it.  I've seen it work, or I would have never passed it along.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)
Subject: swim not sing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:20:38 GMT

Speaking of Olympics-   

I like what the East German coach said at the 1976 Olympics
when asked about the deep voices of the women on his swim team.
He replied: "We have come here to swim, not to sing."


Michael
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jon@stella.unx.sas.com (Jon Allen)
Subject: Upper quads and leg extensions
Originator: jon@stella.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:18:45 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


The other day folks were saying to use squats to work the upper/outer quads
since the leg extension machine only seems to work the lower/inner "teardrop"
part of the quads. Well, when I got on that machine Monday I remembered that if
you vary the direction your toes point, it works the quads differently; in
particular, I've noticed that the more I turn my toes in as I lift, the more it
works the upper/outer quads. Try it out; hope it helps. And remember not to
lock your knees at the top of the stroke.
-- 
Jon Allen                                                        jon@unx.sas.com
SAS Institute, Inc.                                or: ...!uunet!unx.sas.com!jon
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:05:26 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Jul27.151446.8834@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>>Fat metabolism lasts as long as you are exercising.

>Yes, but it doesn't wind down until some time after you stop exercising.
>How long does that take?

A straightforward way of measuring how long your metabolism is elevated
after exercise would be to monitor your heart rate.  When it is back to
normal, so is your metabolism.  I haven't seen any information on
the split between fat and glucose for this elevated metabolism.
-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:51:27 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
>wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
>is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
>face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
>(and probably every other steroid under the sun).

The shape and size of his jaw does suggest acromegaly, doesn't it?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:35:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Jul27.192959.6369@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>
>I read a rather discouraging short article in the newspaper a couple of 
>months ago saying that a "recent study" was not able to confirm the popu-
>lar (boy, IS it popular!  I've heard everything from 4 hours to 19 hours!) 
>theory that metabolic rate stays elevated AFTER a workout.  Their study
>indicated that metabolic rate only stayed elevated while the heart rate
>was elevated.  The article gave few details, and I posted a question on
>this newsgroup at that time asking if anyone had any more information,
>but no one did.  I think we all want to go on believing, even if it ISN'T
>true, that our metabolism just keeps churning away, hours after our workout 
>is over.  

	Well, I would tend to believe this is true nevertheless.  I'm often
busy and have lapses in my workouts.  Sometimes I'll have x weeks of regular
workouts, then have a week or so of no working out, and yet I'll continue to
lose weight.  My only explanation is that my metabolism has been pumped up
and stays that way for a while.  But what do I know...

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From: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Organization: Climate Model Intercomparison Group, LLNL

In article <1992Jul22.190506.23188@csi.uottawa.ca> mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>
>Well if the body of the non-sweater is actually being cooled down with
>less sweat (and therefore less work) by the body it would seem that it is
>more efficient.  Since I wrote this 2 women have said that they sweat
>more than their male SO's so maybe there is no difference and those 
>articles I read were bull.  I don't know.
>


When I read the initial post, I thought that perhaps efficiency of cooling
by sweating was somehow related to the surface area to volume ratio 
of female bodies vs that of male bodies.  The larger the surface area
to volume, the larger the effect of sweat evaporation.  Just guessing!

                                                    Lisa



   "There's no beginning, no ending. There's just infinite
    passion of life."

Xref: sparky misc.fitness:6232 rec.sport.olympics:1664
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Kirelin and HGH
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:00:06 GMT
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
(and probably every other steroid under the sun).
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: high-protein meal before or after workout?
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:40:50 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul28.000111.2248@eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
> Neither, at least according to sports-medicine physician, Gabe Mirkin.
> Today on his talk-radio show, he said the data shows that eating
> carbohydrates immediately following any atheletic event helps restore
> depleted glycogen in the tired skeletal muscles. However, there is
> no data to support the theory that high-protein food is indicated.

"Neither" what?  What is the point?  Or am I just missing something?

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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles/Ken Kline
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:42:02 GMT
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In article <1992Jul28.180920.286371@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Lots of aerobic exercise and dieting will not get rid of
>love handles. 

Allow me to offer one data point of disconfirming evidence for
the above statement: aerobic exercise and reducing my fat intake
got rid of my love handles just fine.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:16:37 GMT

In article <17306@autodesk.COM>, mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.181536.4769@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba) writes:
> > Does anybody have any info/experience with this stuff? Side effects? 
> > or anything? All info would be greatly appreciated. Send mail if
> > possible.
> 
> This stuff is the best thing I've found yet. It's usually taken for
> asthma, but is great for working out too. I find that it frees up
> my breathing, increases my concentration, and lets me lift heavier
> weights for longer. You might try stacking it with a product called
> E.P.H. 833. If you're a light sleeper, you might find the Dymeta-
> drine makes it harder to get to sleep after your workout. I find
> two tablets does me just fine.

What could the possible side-effects be?  What contraindications
might there be with other preexisting conditions?  Hard to believe
there are no drawbacks.  

GMS
From: cunixb.cc.columbia.!arw4@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: squats
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:20:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

I dont have to much time to work my legs so I just want to do the most basic 
quick effective excercises, mainly full squats.
Is there anything else I should do,or is squats enough?

Also, I've been wondering what the 2 sets of numbers on the Nautilus machines
 
means? I assume the lower numbers are the true weight, but what are the 
higher 
set of numbers for?

Aaron
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mdoyle@sparhawk (Mike Doyle)
Subject: 3 day workout
Keywords: 3 day
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:25:42 GMT


	I need a good upper body workout to use on a three day schedule.
	I am interested in every other day and want to build mass and 
	strength. MCD
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Recommended low-fat main courses
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:45:35 GMT


	I've been analyzing my diet, and have come up with
	the following list of my favorite low-fat main course
	dishes.  If anyone has some other dishes to contribute, 
	I'd be delighted.

	1) Lentils and rice.  I posted my recipe a few weeks ago.

	2) Mung beans and rice.  You should be able to find uncooked
	mung beans at Asian food stores.  They only cost about $0.79
	per pound.  They're easy to cook, since they only need some
	boiling and a little garlic.  It may take a while to get used
	to them though, if you're non-Asian.  (Incidentally, the
	beans and rice combination provides a complete protein mix.)

	3) Low-fat (or non-fat) cottage cheese and fruit.  No
	cooking necessary!

	4) Tofu burgers.  You can find tofu burger mix at the 
	supermarket.  If you buy your tofu in bulk (e.g. at a co-op)
	this can be rather inexpensive.  In my opinion, these don't
	taste bad at all, especially with a dash of soy sauce.  Also,
	I recently tried making a patty out of 50% tofu burger and 
	50% ground turkey.  Since the tofu tends to absorb the flavor
	of whatever it's cooked with, this came out rather well.  
	Tofu protein is almost complete, but if you want to improve the
	quality even more, try eating the burgers with other grain
	products, esp. corn or rice.


	NOTE: None of the items I've listed above cost very much.  They
certainly cost a lot less than most meats on the market.  What's more,
they're nutritionally sound.

 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.