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From: chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Did microsoft really write an OS/2 "Terminator" crash prog?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:07:13 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <8252@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

>In article <1hspsiINNc1d@cae.cad.gatech.edu> chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen) writes:
  [ low tolerance example deleted ]

]I assume you're referring to MVS. The action you describe isn't as
]unreasonable as it sounds, for at least two reasons:
]1) Messages appearing on the console are assumed to be important enough that
]they should be seen by a human. Thus, they are buffered until they're
]displayed. There are a finite number of those buffers, and there's not a lot
]that can be reasonably done when those are exhausted.

This is true.  However, things like disconnecting a terminak
(non console) can disable that terminal onsome of their systems
until next reboot.  Booting IBM's larger systems can take a long time.
Secondly, if the messages are not critical, a lost console shouldn't
really bring the system down, especially if its just some
messages about print jobs being completed, or even aborted.  Disk
errors sure, but not normal status messages, etc.  But alas,
its not really an issue here, that is just a bit of a personal
opinion of mine...  Story:  one engineer was working somewhere
round here on a mainframe (I believe it was one of the IBM boxes).
The console cord was draped carelessly across the floor.. he dragged
his feet, so when he waltzed by, yes, he tore the cord out, and
the machine shut down.  Big pain -- and I dont believe it was
necessary for the machine to have shut down.  again, a non issue..
Just stating some of IBM's fault tolerance...


]2) There is a facility for disabling a console that goes haywire if another
]console is available. If there are no consoles available, the system can't be
]operated anyway, since there is no means for the operator to interact with the
]OS.

Also, while this is true, I was only giving examples of how their
thoughts seem to have influenced OS/2.  Frankly, I was surprised
that when I turned off my monitor, OS/2 didnt crash (:) -- humor).

Seriously, when talking about a SINGLE USER OS, on a microcomputer,
you really dont need to design with a mainframe attitude.

The poster I replied to asked why OS/2 just doesn't have a set
of defaults, so if config.sys is not found, it boots anyway.
I dont want to discuss why or why not it may be good programming
practice, but I was just saying that OS/2 seems to have gotten
some qualities from various IBM mainframe/minicomp OS's.

One one machine with an 8 inch floppy drive, I forgot to put in a
floppy before I ltry to access the drive.  I had to reboot
the machine, because the OS disabled the floppy device
since it detected an error on read.
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Boot Manager and NT incompatibility
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: sam_s@NeXT.com

jvert@microsoft.com (John Vert) writes:
> The reason that the NT Beta will not install with Boot Manager is NOT
> because Microsoft hates IBM (...)  The reason is (...) the 
> partition that NTLDR gets started from is no longer marked ACTIVE.  
> Instead, the Boot Manager partition is marked ACTIVE.  

This strikes me as curious.  From Microsoft's own documentation on  
partitioning, the fields are:

peBootable: Specifies whether the partition is bootable. (...)
peFileSystem: Specifies the type of file system. (...)

These definitions are a little hazy, but historically the bootable field is  
interpreted by the booter as "which partition to boot" and the file system  
field has been used as much for identification of operating systems as file  
systems.

The way just about all other OS's play is that they identify themselves by the  
system id byte rather than assuming than because the OS is running the active  
partition must identify the file system belonging to the OS (a shaky  
assumption).

-sam

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From: king@cs.uq.oz.au (Paul King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 & Dos 5.0 floppy problem
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:20:34 GMT
Reply-To: king@cs.uq.oz.au

In article <BzB7Iw.HFq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ericwolf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Wolf) writes:

>Everytime I go to my DOS 5.0 partition (via Boot Manager) and format
>a disk using DOS 5.0 (format a: /f:1440 /u) it works fine.  Then when
>I try to dir the disk I just formatted, I get a general failure reading
>drive A: error.  But if I go to OS/2 and try to read the same disk, it
>works fine.  OS/2 can read and write to these disks no problem but DOS
>can't!!!  DOS always gives the general failure error when OS/2 reads
>them.

It might pay to check your bios/CMOS settings.
I had a similar problem (but with my 5 1/4" drive) when I switched
the cables around to make my 1.44M drive A: but didn't change
the CMOS settings.  OS/2 might not have a problem because it
doesn't use the bios directly.  Just a thought.

Paul.

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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Please help : scrolling text with new Trident 32 bit drivers
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:04:41 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Wen-Chun Ni (wcn@cs.brown.edu) wrote:

> The new Tseng 1024x768x256 driver is also a dog.  Just wondering. The
> Xfree386 was too slow to be useful. But the recent release reminds me
> of the sparc at my school. It is 1024x768x256 too. So it is not
> impossible for IBM or the makers to write a decent driver for our
> cards.

In fact the cards will do it for you. Try turning off VIDEO_ROM_EMULATION
in your DOS windows and watch the scrolling wizz by (relatively speaking).
I'd say my DOS windows are 5 times faster than my OS/2 windows but still
labouriously slow.

It seems that the hardware scrolling capabilities of the card (I assume it
has some given the above performance) are better than the software
equivalents. If only we could confgure OS/2 windows even slightly as much
as we can DOS ones.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Boot up msgs go by too fast, any way to see them?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:09:10 GMT

I'm going through a tricky bit right now trying to get IP/IPX
coexistence on my OS/2 box with TCP/IP 1.2.1 and Netware Requester.  One
problem I'm having is that each of these generates lots of boot-up
messages, which scroll by so quickly I can't read them all to see if I
have some parameter wrong (legal, but wrong).
 
My pause key and scroll lock keys don't seem to affect them.  I've tried
putting run=pause in my config.sys (it doesn't find it, but it stops to
tell me the line was ignored, press enter), but Requester puts out lots
of message in one step, and some of them scroll off.

Any help, and if you've somehow managed to get IP/IPX together over a
3c503 card with TCP/IP, Requester (using ODINSUP.SYS), I'd appreciate
some help.

Mike Percy             | grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu  | I don't know about
Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
Clemson University     | (803) 656-3780              | (Laurie Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: orac@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Giovacchini)
Subject: OS/2 Beta: Swapper.dat and Auto Chkdsk
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:21:55 GMT


	Two items I noticed.  My system has been TRAP D'ng the whole
 day, forcing me to reset.  While running a DOS window, I get an
 SWAPPER FULL message.  I went and checked and it was 20 meg!!!  After
 I closed the window, I did a proper shutdown and it returned to 1 meg
 in size.  Bug??

	Also, IBM seemed to changed the way auto chkdsk is done.  In 2.0GA, 
 it was done before the drivers were installed from CONFIG.SYS.  Now,
 it is after.  How I noticed this is while my system was coming up,
 it could not find the SCSI drivers for my CDROM.  After hitting ENTER
 to continue, it runs chkdsk and then it installes the CDROM IFS,
 and since there are no SCSI drivers loaded, no CDROM.
 Those with CDROMs, hit the reset key and see if its just me. :-)

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      ( orac@chinet.chi.il.us )     | enables you to recognize a mistake when
       In the year XXVII A.S.       | you make it again.  -F. P. Jones
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From: olsont@stein.u.washington.edu (Todd Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:46:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1hnehsINNaj1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu


Can someone put the disk images on hobbes or another ftp site if
it's okay with IBM?  (or can I ftp them from someone)  I don't
have access to a CD ROM.
thanks,
Todd Olson 
olsont@stein.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,fido.nz_os2,fido.os2
From: mullins@convex.com (Don Mullins)
Subject: Re: OS/2 b2.1 - SVGA install "feature".
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:09:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In comp.os.os2.misc Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

> 
>Fix: Open System Settings and chose Selective Install. Pick the "Primary
>Display" option again and go through the re-install procedure (yes, disks
>6-19). At the end, it will tell you it is checking your hardware
>compatibility and do the DOS full-screen, SVGA ON thing we all know and love.
> 

  Note that this is also the way you switch from VGA to SVGA on an IBM
  pre-installed system.  I have an IBM PS/ValuePoint 433DX.  It reports the
  base OS as V2.00.1, and the Graphics Engine as V2.01 .

FYI,
Don

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: abledsoe@sdf.lonestar.org (Al Bledsoe)
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:49:53 GMT

In article <ZmwVVB1w165w@comtch.spk.wa.us> mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben) writes:
>ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ashwath Ram) writes:
>
>> 
>> 	Hi, netters just a thought. IBM doesn't seem to be doing so hot
>>      <other concerns deleted>
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ashwath Ram
>
> 
>IBM has purportedly just created a new division, this being the 
>Client/Server folks.  900 people were grabbed from elsewhere and dumped 
>into this bare room - probably full of telephones.  
>
>Smart.
> 
>Now, all they need to do is drum up a bit of business and stock this room 
>(and adjacent ones) with a few more people including those about to be 
>layed off.  We'll see what happens here.
> 
>As to the thousands of employees being layed-off, many of these employees 
>are probably redudant salespersons, mailboys, etc. etc., which are 
>actually a major hindrance to IBM's means of forward thinking - after 
>all - AT&T when broken lost many employees as well.
> 
>Matt
>
Well I have been watching IBM since 1989 when first exposed to AIX and
now OS/2.  Been listening carefully to Phil Hester and Donna Van Fleet
in Austin.  IMHO,  IBM has seen the writing on the wall for years.  But
did you notice the comp.unix.aix article 1788.  IBM announced the first
RS6000 based Shared Memory Parallel Processor or the POWER/4 which
has four 42 MHZ risc processors and rates 336 MFLOPS.  Has other optimizings
for shared memory reducing memory bottlenecks,  etc.

Seems the announcement was Dec 10,1992 just before the stock plunge.
IBM has had this technology for years,  but now Austin is the capitol of
IBM not Armonk.  And while Akers will be kept busy making stock
holders happy,  Austin will keep turning up the clockrate.  Yes, the
internal IBM war is over -- the baldheads lost.

Now OS/2 has been running on RS/6000's in Austin closets for awhile,  now
that they don't have to compete with themselves will they start leading 
or waiting for DEC(Alpha) or Microsoft(NT) to position their products??
This is the question that concerns me.  All the comments regarding
profitability are well founded.  IBM has some great OPEN products
but they don't make as much money as the big iron did.

I like the U.S. commercial which shows the IBM logo reacting to the
changing market.  I agree that IBM has done this,  except for the final
frame when the logo separates and goes through the holes in the wall
as a bunch of small IBM logos.  Everything is fine until they rejoin
on the otherside of the wall.  I'd say forget rejoining and please
at least keep IBM-AUSTIN intact.  Call it anything you like.
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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 12:13:09 EST
From: <ADMN8684@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Using IDC in a device driver

Greeting,

I want to use the IDC capabilities of OS/2. In particular I want to control
the mouse from a serial device driver I have written. All help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks In Advance.

West Suhanic (416) 979-5000 ext 7420
             E-mail: ADMN8684@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: 37147_1234@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Installing OS/2 from B drive?
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:14:32 GMT

Can I install OS/2 from B drive or must I interchange wires
between A and  B ? The install diskette must be in A according
to install directions.  But A is 5.25 and diskette is  3.5" .
I can switch cables but wonder if it is necessary.  Computer
is a 486 no name at 33 Mhz with Chips chip set and Intel 486 D
AMI BIOS.  Many thanks for replies to my email mail address as I
don't usually read this group.

Marv Sherebrin
Associate Professor
Dept Of Medical Biophysics
U Western Ontario
London, Ontario N6A 5C1
email:   sherebrin@uwovax.uwo.ca
ur b
From: jerome.yuzyk@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jerome Yuzyk) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: copying FAT to HPFS
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: jerome.yuzyk@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jerome Yuzyk) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

I will be moving large numbers of files from one machine, using FAT to an 
identical machine, using a mix of HPFS and FAT partitions. I would like
suggestions on the best way to do this, while maintaining EAs and all the
other
weird bits that OS/2 uses (and sometimes loses) to run the WPS.

I have about 200M of apps and data files.  I expect to at least use LHarc to
grab and package files and EAs, and one or more WPS/INI-backup tools to
capture
the INI and WPS directory structure.  Then I could either do the
floppy-shuffle,
or boot both machines to DOS (machine1 has dual boot, machine2 has BootMan)
and
use a DOS thing I have called Paranet to move files across the parallel ports
to a FAT partition.  Finally (hopefully), I can unLHarc everything to its
respective place.

Now, essentially, will this work from a FAT to an HPFS partition?  Can I unarc
directly, or should I unarc to FAT, and then XCOPY to HPFS?

Just trying to avoind the (b)leeding edge...

Thanks to all in advance...


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tom@piassun1 (Tom Leitner)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 18:13:35 GMT

In article <4725@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.203941.27754@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> reisert@sttng.mlo.dec.com (Jim Reisert) writes:
>>
>>I just called the order desk, and they said the beta code is only
>>available on CD-ROM.  How can I get the floppies?
>
>Well, someone who works for IBM just left a message on my BBS stating that
>the 2.1 BETA will be available in 3.5 inch disk images after the 28th.  This
>could just be a rumor but I doubt it.  Also, on c.o.o.a., I saw that the
>BETA was to include a fax applet!!!  If someone could confirm or deny this,
>I would appreciate it.  I hope to have the beta in a week or so from an
>IBMer so that I can find out for myself.
>


I'm a DAP member. Can anyone tell if the new 2.1 beta is going to be on
the next PDK CD ?

Tom.


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: etorrem@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (engelbert.jgm.torremans)
Subject: TRIDENT 9000 or IBMSVGA, I seam to have both?????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:16:15 GMT

Hello All,

Could somebody please explain why the SVGA program is able to identify
my Trident 9000 card as either a IBMSVGA board or as a Trident 8900 board.

I am currently using the SVGA.EXE program that came with the 32 bit
Trident display drivers. After powering on my machine and booting with 
DOS 5 the SVGA WHO command identifies my display adapter as Trident 8900.
If I run in this session Windows 3.1 or PCTOOLS ( and maybe a number of 
other programs, but these are the programs I am sure of) and after that 
run SVGA WHO my display card is identified as IBMSVGA.

Warm or cold boot is not able to change this and the SVGA WHO programs
keeps identifying my card as IBMSVGA.

After a power on/off everyting is back to normal (Trident 8900)

I guess it is possible to identify a Trident 9000 as a Trident 8900
because the chipsets are similar, you can also use the same display
drivers for both chips. But I don't understand why it is possible to
identify a Trident board as IBMSVGA. Maybe some of you video hardware
specialists can help me out.

If I do the same booting OS/2 the card is always identified as IBMSVGA.

I think this phenomena has something to do with not being able to use my
videocard with the Trident high res video drivers. It looks like the card
is reprogrammed during OS/2 boot (by the OS2LDR program maybe???) and 
after that is no longer recognized as a Trident card. Is it perhaps 
possible to patch the OS2LDR program in such a way that this 
reprogramming (or video mode switching maybe) does not occur anymore. 
Maybe by removing a specific INT10 call ????

Engelbert Torremans
AT&T-NS-NL
Huizen
The Netherlands
Email:etorrem@cbnewsj.att.com or etorrem@hvlpa.att.com
From: jyouells@cup.portal.com (John A Youells)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 24-bit, ***HI-RES***, DOS window under OS/2?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:42:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

 I don't know if it is technically "true color" but I have had no troublega A

STB and it has a Cirrus Logic GL5422 chip. I believe that BOCA also sells eit
the same board or a similiar one. I'm using a viewer called show3.exe that is
in the BOCA demo in an OS/2 DOS window . I'm running BOCA Os2/2.0 16 color 
drivers and 256 color windows drivers on the GA + SP . The system is very sta
and it turns in a wintach of 4.18!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS of the future....RFD about configuration
From: gershon@husc11.harvard.edu (Ethan Gershon)
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:21:19 GMT


I have said before on this forum that OS/2 ought to have an install
utility that can read an install script provided by an application
to install that app.  Such a program would manage changes to config.sys
and other such changes that are necessary and would keep a log of
its activity.  The program would also be able to read the same script
to un-install an app.  Such standardized installation would save us
all a lot of trouble (including developers).
 
I guess this would be kind of like "MAKE" in Unix...
 
                                           --Ethan Gershon
                                           gershon@husc.harvard.edu
From: brown-sh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (shawn c brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Service pack disks
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:00:46 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


	Has anyone been able to unzip the service disks from Hobbes??
I keep getting an unknown compression method error...

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Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 20:05:56 CET
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Running ZIP/ZOO/etc from an icon (again!)
 <1992Dec15.063444.15320@midway.uchicago.edu>

Jeremy:

If you want to be prompted for arguments for a given program, do the
following:

   Enter the program-name as usual, in the parameters-section enter
   the prompts for the arguments enclosed in square brackets, e.g.

   Path and filename:
        C:\tools\zip.exe

   Parameters:
        -rg archive name: file-specs:


In the above example zip.exe will be started with the first argument being
"-rg" (recurse, better compression) and OS/2 will ask you for "archive name:"
and "file-specs:" and submit them as additional parameters to zip.exe.

---rony
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:52:14 GMT

dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:

>Off topic, but I've been sick of Pournelle, his goddamn libertarian
>politics, his wife and her goddamn reading tutor, his son's computer
>repair business and his other son's HP Poqet wqith which he apparently
>runs the US Navy, for months.{

Yea, I hate his DOG too.....

Ya wanna take this to alt.hate.pournelle PLEASE ? This is supposed to be about
OS/2 (ya know, an OS ???).

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From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: TRAP2=BAD SIMMS, NOT
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:25:31 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

All I know is that my trap 0002's were fixed by replacing my SIMMs.
Same symptoms, mostly crashing when closing down a MS-DOG application.
But new SIMMs fixed it -- no crashes in over 3 weeks!

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