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From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Summary: Just a second
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:16:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:

>The German's should never be forgiven for the Holocaust, not for a thousand
>generations.. Isn't it amazing that whenever you speak to German's alive in
>that era that they had nothing to do, or didnt know about the Holocaust ??

Far be it for me to put my pinko, liberal, veggie, baby-killing viewpoint
here but I would like to object to the use of 'the Germans' in this sentence.
Without doubt the Holocaust should never never ever be forgiven and definitely
not forgotten, but the it is the people who took part who must not be forgiven
not the Germans collectively. This is the same mentality that caused the
'Jews killed Christ' argument. People are responsible only for their own
actions. There were Germans who opposed the camps and Hitler and some of
them ended up in these same camps. Are they not to be forgiven? Many really
did not know, it was a secret after all. Are these not to be forgiven? Many
weren't even born then and so on. Certainly many Germans did little to
prevent this tragedy but then that applies to many many people some of
them Jewish. Can you say that *everybody* who was not German did enough?
Or indeed did anybody (regardless of their origin) do enough to prevent
it? As for Germans claiming not to know that hardly suprises me, as a
German once said 'my memory said I did, my pride said I didn't so my
memory had to go' (more or less anyway). It is pityful but then noone
is going to boast about such a thing and forgetting is so easy. Besides
which, how old are the Germans you meet? My Grandfathers were adults
then, my parents just toddlers.

>NOT  YOU OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!

I am sorry to see you referring to Arabs as bastards as well. I have
a view about this too. As Malcolm X once said (as quoted recently on
the net - not one of my frequent cites), if you are not part of the
solution you are part of the problem. Racism and hatred are problems,
is referring to an entire racial/ethnic group as 'bastards' part of
the solution?


Joseph Askew


-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:03:16 GMT

In article <1i6pepINN7ou@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
|> 
|> if the name 'palestine' is history, ERETZ-YISRAEL is prehistory. we were
|> here first. Relearn your history Mr. Turner.
  
You are very wrong Mr. Applebaum, the Palestinians are direct decendants of
the Canaanites and they were definately there first. Offcourse, you do not
beleive in Archaeology and prefer to beleive the Bible and all its wonderful
promises. You have enough propaganda and guns to make many people beleive
that while victimising an entire Palestinian population as in the past.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: REAL Cheese?
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:01:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.085328.492@shearson.com> esafern@shearson.com writes:
>As regards Miriam Nadel's recent post (I have misplaced it)
>
>Can you elaborate on the other halachic problems with regular cheese?
>
>If the issues are involved are small (easy/cheap to correct, there is 
>no obvious reason for the major cheese manufacturers to avoid certification.
>

In regard to the cheese question.  I asked my rabbi (Rabbi Kaganoff of
Baltimore) and he said that one of the main problems with cheese is
that a shomer shabbos person must put the rennet or starter into the
milk.  For a large manufacturer of cheese, this means that full time
people must be hired to handle this.  THis is separate from the kashrus
issues that may be involved.  To me, (personally) it sounds similar to
the idea of bishul akim but I didn't have the time to ask more about
it.

He went on that a major cheese maker is currently negotiating with the
OU and that they are hiring people for this.
-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: aliya question - can you bring TWO food processors?
Organization: Mendelson.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:00:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.152542.21883@nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>My shaliach wasn't sure if I can bring two food processors rather
>than the usual one in my lift.  She agrees that it would be reasonable
>to let people who keep a kosher kitchen to bring two, but isn't sure
>if it works that way.  Can anyone comment?  Thanks.

I'm not sure that you will be able to get an answer that the customs people
who actually process your lift will follow, but here's my best guess:

1. You can bring ONE item duty free. For a second one, you will have to 
   convince the customs people that you are realy bringing it in to keep 
   kosher and that as an american you can't afford to pay the customs duty. 
   (all americans are assumed rich)

2. You will need proof that you actually keep kosher. A letter from an
   Orthodox rabbi will suffice.

3. In the case of a food processor, mixer, etc, you are most likely to get
   away with it if you buy only one unit and seperate blades and bowls.

4. If you are single, you are "entitled" to either half the excemptions unless
   you bring in one-person sized items. The assumption here is that you are
   either going to sell the items and buy smaller ones or are going to marry
   an Israeli who is not entitled to any excemptions. This is not official
   policy and can be argued against.

5. The customs agents at the airport are the strictest, and the ports the
   next strict and at the schochnoot (sp?), the absorbtion ministry,
   warehouse in Haifa the least. 

It probably is because they think you are comming in with a container
of goods, declaring yourself an oleh to avoid the taxes, selling them
and going home. 

This has been done on a smaller scale by many Soviets who claimed to be
Jews,  got exit visas, free transportation, a cash absorption grant 
(about $13,000 U.S.) at the border, an Israeli passport in 90 days and then
moved to the U.S..

Geoff.

P.s. Yes, I really am going to make aliyah. I am waiting for someone to
     buy the house.

P.P.S. A man declares that he has 7 refrigerators in his lift and they all
       are tax free. He is questioned by the customs man....

       One is for meat and the other is for milk.

          Ok, that's two.

      I need a seperate set for Passover.

         That's four.

     and a set for the High Holy days.

        Ok, ok, but that's only six, why 7?

     Where else do I keep the bacon? 
-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 
(215) 242-8712
gsm@mendelson.com     or uunet!gsm001!gsm
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:38:58 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

(Re Germans...)

>I lived there for two years from 1990 - 92.  Is that okay?  The fact that other
>countries perform atrocities does not excuse the Germans theirs, and I do
>not single out the Germans at all - it is just that this posting concerned
>the Germans. 

Laurence, why don't you tell s.c.j. how many other ethnic groups
you've excoriated in your postings? I know you posted many times
to sci.research.careers, with the same sort of stuff about Canadians..

Are there any ethnic groups you like?

Lenore Levine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Re: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 00:46:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

don't think anyone has mentioned one or two from the Ramones.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: abed@informix.com (Abe Danziger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:55:48 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <9301071757.AA25808@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:

I have not had the time to reply to the net as of late, this cought
my eye.

>
>> While I wait 3 (should I make sure to mention this on dates?), I think
>> 6 (lumping 5.5, 5+epsilon and such in the same category) is more
>> common.  I have not asked anyone who might know from personal
>> experience, but I have been told that Sefaradim and Edot Mizrach keep
>> six hours (even though the 1 hour Holland minhag is supposed to derive
>> from Spanish Jews who settled there).
>
>I have seen six hours and one hour cited.  Three hours is probably
>just a result of compromise, for which Yekke's are so well known.
>

I take great exception to this stupid remark. Firstly we will deal with
the Halacha here. The Shulchan Aruch brings to views (based on a machlokes
Reshonim) if we wait 1 hour or 6 hours (the opionion that most follow
based on the commentaries on the S"A). The minhag to wait 3 hours is brought
by the Yosef Ometz, in his Shaalos Utishuvos. This commentary is what 
most of minhag Ashkinaz (German) follow. 

So much for the Halacha. On to your stupid statement (or should I give
you the benifit of the doubt, it was an attempt at houmer in poor taste.)

On what basis would you make a statement "a result of compromise, for 
which Yekke's are so well known."? Where do you see that "Yekke's" (a term
that my Rav Moran Rav Dr. Yosef Breuer Z"TL resented) compromise. If you
think that Torah Im Derch Eretz is a compromise, then I dare say you 
either have no idea of what Torah is, or what Derech Eretz is, or both!


>The various 5+x, 0<x<1, minhagim are interesting.  If the minhag is
>to wait into the *sixth* hour, why adopt such a chumra?  Why not just
>wait into the *six* hours, and eat dairy immediately (>0t) after meat?
>

Again you have a total lack of knowledge when it comes to Halacha. There 
is a rule of "miktsas ki'kulo. Look it up.

>-Don Gertler


Abraham E. Danziger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: US interests and Israel (was WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:23:32 GMT

Since "Andy" deliberately changed my followup line from
talk.politics.mideast to soc.culture.jewish, I will continue this
exchange in e-mail.

--
David F. Skoll
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:58:35 GMT


Just to clear up some ambiguous phrasing in my previous message--"For
those outside California" means "For the information of those outside
California who may be unfamiliar with California law about appeals for
funds to a general group, mailing list, advertisement, etc. (as
distinct from one-on-one appeals to known contributors)".

It does not mean the law applies to solicitations made entirely
outside California--where California law doesn't apply.

Note that the bank account the money is supposed to be sent to is
in California--hence the applicability of the laws and the illegality
of the solicitation.

David
-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM Public Key on server  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Oops
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:15:37 GMT

In article <1307@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes:
>Please excuse the car ad.  I goofed.  Damage is done.

Relax.  Since your car is now 13 years old, you're not responsible
anyway.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: the funny thing about Hamas and the Shein Beit
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 03:33:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.220505.11661@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <C0EsyF.I7s@inews.Intel.COM> fbagh@frx706.intel.com (Fares Bagh - EPG Coop) writes:
>>
>>It is very funny that Israelis are complaining
>>about Hamas ,their own creation. 

THIS STATEMENT JUST STINKS.  IF YOU MEAN THAT THE PEOPLE RESORTED
TO HAMAS BECAUSE THEY FOUND IT AS THE ONLY SOLUTION OUT OF
TORTURE LIFE, I'LL UNDERSTAND, BUT AS IT STANDS, IT STINKS.

>It is very sad that Arabs routinely blame outsiders for most of their
>problems.  It is particularly sad for Israelis, who happen to be the

As I said, Hamas is a problem for Israel and the Arab stinky regimes,
but a solution to the oppressed people.  Yes israel did create Hamas
by opressing the native of the land.

jle
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: (Flames, was Re: aliya question - can you bring TWO food processors?
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan8.180030.25741@gsm001.mendelson.com> gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

>This has been done on a smaller scale by many Soviets who claimed to be
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jews,  got exit visas, free transportation, a cash absorption grant 
>(about $13,000 U.S.) at the border, an Israeli passport in 90 days and then
>moved to the U.S..
Just occured to me, that if it is the case, it should be a bigger
scale, considering respective numbers of Russians and Americans 
going to Israel.
>
>Geoff.
On a somehow connected topic:
Jew, speaking to the Russian official, who
just issued him an exit permit:
- And may I ask you a last question:
   is it really true, that Jews sold Russia ?
- YES!
- Then where can I  pick up my share?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:54:49 GMT

In <1993Jan4.184839.28840@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

me: I seriously believe that a person (irregardless of that person's
me: religion or so on) who encourages crimes bears some moral
me: responsibility (without diminishing that of the actual perpetrator) if
me: those crimes are in fact committed by someone who is influenced by the
me: first person.  If this is antisemitism, I am proud to be an
me: antisemite.

dm: 	That is not anti semitism, but it is stupidity.  However, since
dm: spreading lies is a sin, and since you have spread lies and the like
dm: about Kach and members of the Kahane family, does that mean you bear
dm: responsibility when others pass on these same lies?

By my logic, had I spread lies, I would in fact bear responsibility
for both originating them as well as for their continued propagation.
By yours, I am just emotionally upset and am blameless, and it would
be stupidity for you to impute any blame to me.

As I do not concede that I have spread any lies, the above has no
implications.  If you wish to maintain otherwise, you will have to
present quotes of mine, and evidence both that they are untrue and
that I was aware of their untruth at the time that I posted them.

dm: 	By the way, how would you like it if I included the last part of
dm: your last sentence in a .sigand referenced it to you and this
dm: article??  I would not do it, but it would be on a par with some of
dm: what you have written about Kach and members of the Kahane family.

You have my permission to quote my entire final sentence.  I stand
proudly behind it.

I also stand behind my comments about the late Rabbi, the political
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:05:16 GMT

In article <C0F2C0.D76@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon) writes:
>>
>>Surely some mistake - the Germans are wonderful people and you are certainly
>>misjudging them.  My previous accusations against them - that they are racist
>>barbarians - have been hotly defended, not least by subscribers to this very
>>group, so I have had to revise my opinion and now wish to propogate the myth
>>that they are the nicest people on earth!  Why then are there no prospective
>>members of my proposed Jews for Germans sect?
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> Why is it that you continually assume that every individual who is of a
> certain nationality is like other people of that nationality?
> 
I don't know, why is it?  In the case of Germans, there are good ones and
bad ones but far, far too many are racist pigs (and I don't mean the tiny
minority who attack foreigners, but the high percentages of Germans who
give anti-foreigner responses to public surveys).

> Not every German is a Nazi or Nazi supporter.  There are many bad
> characteristics that bigots like to attribute to all Jews also.  Is this
> alright considering that some Jews do possess these characteristics?

Yes, it's fine with me.  Jewish characteristics you mention are present in
a large number of jews to some extent - certainly I recognise them in myself
and in most jews that I know.  Would you try to deny that people have national
and racial characteristics?  Is it only racist to talk about the bad characteristics?
Would you object to 'the Thais like hot food?', 'the Chinese are good with numbers?'
It's extremely naive to respond to accusations against a nation with ' it's not
valid because it doesn't include all of them', and disingenuous too.  Would you
insist that I qualify the above statements about Thais and Chinese with 'but not
all of them'?  

Anyway you're in the US, so what do you know about the Germans?

Laurence
From: schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:52:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <4912@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:

## What I object to is the implication that Orthodox Jewish
## women are made "dumb" or "stupid" by their religion. . . .

# Might you make the same objection and analysis of the situation
# on behalf of Orthodox Muslim women?

Where's Yakim Martillo when we really need him?  :-)

					Richard Schultz
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:49:31 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <1993Jan6.145850.7394@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lise@kepler.cc.bellcore.com (romanov,elizabeth) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.220442.154@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>Nursing women do not resume menstruation immediately, often not until after
>they have weaned the baby.  Even if a woman is not lactating, her cycle 
>doesn't even out for a while.

Ha, Ha, Ha. Ha.

Some nursing women may not menstruate, but this is definately not a rule.
Women who consider themselves safe from conception during nursing quite often
find themselves with what are often called "Irish Twins", that is two children
born 10 months apart.

Forgive my laughter at the beginning of my response, but this old chestnut is
has been around a long time, and there is much evidence that it is false.

-- 
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From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:18:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 150114BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu, BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu () writes:
>Isn't Neil Diamond Jewish?  Barry Manilow is also, along with Linda McCartney.
>

What's Linda McCartney doing in this list? I thought it was 
for singers! :->


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Vulgarity revisited
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:12:48 GMT

Though I don't intend to become active on s.c.j. again, I
couldn't pass this up.

A week or so back, David Sternlight had trouble figuring out
what I meant by vulgarity.  Couldn't find it in his dictionary
or something.  Here's a suggestion: someone who says of himself
that he's "a substantial contributor" needs no dictionary, only
a mirror.

Norman Miller
..uvulgari lo tikva
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:24664 soc.culture.arabic:6309 talk.politics.mideast:24871
From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Summary: Not quite
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:00:06 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1992Dec27.233559.25590@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:

>There is enough land there for everyone.  The early Zionists
>anticipated living together in peace with the few Arabs who were
>already there;

Which early Zionists might these be? Herzl never recognised or perhaps
even knew about the Arabs in Palestine so he's out. The only people I
know who addressed the issue referred to displacing the Arabs through
various forms of purchase. No peaceful coexistence there. Ben Gurion
spelt it out by saying that a 40% Arab minority was unacceptable and
would threaten the very basis of the Jewish State. In short I think
you are wrong, if you know of an early Zionist who really expected
peaceful coexistence then I would like to know his/her name!


Joseph Askew


-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.