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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 18:10:51 EDT
From: Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: The Chicago flood

A colleague in Chicago reports the following:

The basic story is that some construction work to replace some pilings
in the chicago river caused a weakening and ultimate failure of the
walls in a little used 95 year old coal-freight tunnel system. These
days, it's just used to run fiber-optics and cable-tv stuff. The entire
system is like 60+ miles crisscrossing most of the downtown chicago
area about 50ft below street level. On sunday night, the tunnel gave
way to the pressures of the water and have dumped over 1/4 billion
gallons of water into those tunnels, flooding many many sub-basements
in the chicago loop area. At this point, they think they have most of the
river leaking stopped, but they're not to sure yet, and have their
doubts. Once they get that plugged up finally, the next step is to
drain the water off into the Deep-Tunnel. A decade old system which
was meant to hold excess rain water and sewage for later treatment.
That system is 250 feet down, stretches to several suburbs, and can
handle a billion gallons (those tunnels are like 40' in diameter).
There's no direct connection between those tunnel systems so they're
working on hooking em up. They'ed like to drain the waters before
it goes septic, but are afraid of collapsing tunnels causing more
problems. The downtown underground subway cta trains are not running.
Some of their tracks are actually below the freight tunnel system.
They are getting leaks and standing water, but no big floods yet.
what a mess.
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 14:48:17 MES
From: Ruediger Gaensfuss <FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: TRAVELOGUE: Steam trip in Thueringen (Germany)

In article <92104.133234LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>, Dr. Lutz Massonne
<LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET> says:
>(As an aside: Diesel-electric locomotives are very rare in Germany.
> Normally the Diesel-hydraulic power transmission is used,
> in West Germany only the class 288 (former V 188) was a Diesel
> electric locomotive, ...
Add the new class 240 and the former DB-classes 201, 202, 259 and
K"oe II.
Ruediger Gaensfuss (FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET) University of Muenster, Germany
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Subject: Re: Montrealer Notice
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:21:02 GMT


In a previous article, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) says:

>Does anybody have some thoughts about why the absolutely grungiest
>parts of Union Station are the parts that serve actual train passengers?
>It really irritates me that they spent all that money on renovating
>everything *except* the areas where you get on, get off, and wait
>for the train.  

  I think you're referring to Wash. D.C. Union Station, but with the exception 
of the waiting area, you could just as well be describing the newly
refurbished Chicago Union Station.  The waiting area in Chicago is a lot like
some of the better airports in the country, with video monitors for arrivals
and departures, padded, "individual" seats with arm rests in lieu of benches, 
and newsstand/snack/souvenir shops typical of airports.  The gates to the
platforms are handsome and decorative, with large, sliding glass doors
revealing the platforms beyond.  You'd expect gateways like those to lead to
something spectacular.  Instead, when you pass through those gates, you move
from the well-lit, brightly painted, "airport" into what looks for all the
world like a dark, dingy, NOISY parking garage!  Talk about stark contrasts!  

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Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 11:38:29 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Diesel-Electric vs. Diesel-hydraulic

As far as I know, at the beginning of the development of main-line
diesel locomotives in Germany this was done in cooperation with the
Soviet Union's Commissariate of Transportation in the 1920's.
The Soviet constructor, Prof. Lomonossof (spelling from memory) played
an important role.
German industry then delivered Diesel-electric and diesel-hydraulic engines
to the Soviet Union.
For German use, however, the hydraulic power transmission was chosen,
and the first really operational Diesel locomotive was presented at the
Railway exhibition in Seddin (1935).
That particular locomotive ran until the 1950's and is now preserved in
the German technology museum at Munich ("Deutsches Museum").

Maybe the feeling was that Diesel-Electric with its additional power
consumption due to the conversion mechanic-electric was applicable only
for large traction power, whereas the typical European trains are
shorter than e.g. in the US or in Russia.

At the start of the development a 2000 HP Diesel locomotive was an
exceptional thing, and once the diesel-hydraulic construction line
was established the railways didn't want to add another type of
engines with new requirements for maintenance and stockkeeping.

I will try to find some sources why these differences emerged.

Regards, Lutz
From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Car Attacks SP Train
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:53:33 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger) writes:


>     Last Wednesday (4/1), a car drove around the crossing gates in Canby,
>OR, and struck the 33rd car of a westbound (south) train.  The car wedged
>under a tank car loaded with methyl alcohol and was dragged 5 miles before
>an eastbound train radioed the engineer.  The driver is in critical condi-
>tion with massive head and chest injuries.  the train was travelling about
>40 mph.

This reminds me of an incident just over a year ago that happened at
Narromine, near Dubbo, in north-west NSW, here in Australia....
 
A train was heading from Dubbo to Parkes (about 100km apart), and was
just going across a level crossing when a large truck drove into the
side of the second loco on the train. The truck was totally destroyed,
and the locomotive tipped over on it's side and was pushed along for
about 200 metres by the trucks behind the locos.
 
The locomotive was written off immediately, as the side that fell on
the ground was completely defaced, but more importantly, the chassis
ended up bent near one end of the engine (sort of in the middle), and
the engine block itself had all sorts of horribly fine cracks along
this side.
 
So, one perfectly good Alco 251-C prime mover is killed, and a perfectly
good locomotive written off in the process. The truck was NOT insured,
so the railways got zero reimbursement for having approximately $1.5mil
thrown away by some careless, stupid, idiotic truck driver.
 
C ya later.... Craig.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SPV (Was Re: RDC's and SPV's?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr15.012514.6968@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
> 
> 
>   While we're on the subject of inspection cars, does anybody know the origins
> of those Sperry Rail Service (ultrasonic rail-defect detection) cars?  Were
> they old gas electrics?  Something about them seems to suggest Brill, but does
> anyone know for sure?  Thanks.

Yep.  There aren't all that many of them and I believe Trains or one of the other
railfan magazines has listed them all at one time or another.   I think there
are also some newer ones, but I'm not sure of their origin.

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From: lelanda@Ampex.COM (Dave Leland)
Subject: Ham Radio Group.....SF Bay Area
Originator: lelanda@omega
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:28:36 GMT

 


This is to let you know that there is a Ham Radio Railfan Discussion group
operating in the S.F. Bay Area.
The group meets on 145.330 every Wed. at 20:00.
Anyone with a scanner is welcome to listen in.......One more source of info.

BTW.....are there any other groups of this nature in the USA ???


Dave Leland...........lelanda@ampex.com
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: business car placemen
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:43:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11438
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Eddie Van Huffel writes:
> 
> 
> I'd sure hate to be in a Business Car sandwiched between a lashup of
> locomotives, and anywhere between 4000 and 10,000 tons of freight behind me.
>  I would prefer to be on the rear end of any freight train.
> 


Actually, Eddie, your description SOUNDS like it would be a bad place to be,
but have you ever taken a ride on a caboose?  They don't call 'em a Brain
Basher for nothing...the ride on the head-end would be MUCH smoother!

BTW, I forgot to mention that the maximum allowable length of a train carrying
a business car is 5000 ft, to help eliminate the slack action.


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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Subject: Re: Amtrak's Silver Meteor and Lakeshore Limited
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:38:37 GMT


In a previous article, boylan@sw.stratus.com (Richard Boylan) says:

>
>Want unusual scenery on the Lake Shore Limited?
>How about a New York Central 4-8-2 Mohawk, one of the last NYC steam
>locomotives extant?  It's parked next to the station in (I think)
>Elkhart, Indiana.  (Did I get the town right?  Sorry, Indiana, it was
>late at night and I didn't write down its location.)

 Elkhart is the right town.  The steamer is south of the tracks across from the
depot, behind a chain link fence.  There's also a solid-black Amtrak GG1, an
E8 of unknown heritage, some NYC-painted passenger cars, and various other
pieces of rolling stock back there as well.  Other than the passenger cars
(which I think are part of a restaurant) all the equipment is in fairly poor
condition paint-wise.  It looked like the E8 was being worked on last August
(with all that bridgework exposed!) so it might be completely fixed up and
painted by now.


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From: 2212msr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (max.s.robin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: RR GIF - WM #1204 M-2 Challenger
Keywords: WM Challenger Cumberland AJ-12
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:29:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

The GIF inquestion pictures Western Maryland ry. M-2 #1204.  This was a
Baldwin built Challenger (4-6-64, 1940 construction date) typically used
on the Connellsville Extension.  (For those of yoo who are not WM knowledgable,
this was the mainline from Cumberland Md to Connellsville PA, where the 
WM interchanged w/the P&WV.)

The photo was take in the Cumberland narrows just west of town.  To the 
left of the locomotive, and about 40' lower down is US Highway 40, and 
across the river to the left is the B&O mainline which heads over Sand 
Patch toward Chicago.

I believe that this 'photo was one taken by Bill Price, a Cumberland newspaper
photographer and rabid WM fan.  Date would be probably be spring '52.

Max S. Robin
Cheat River Engineering Inc.

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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Reminder: Red Cars (PE), Yellow Cars (LARy), and Main Line Festival
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:14:31 GMT


What: The Orange Empire Railway Museum's 1992 Spring Rail Festival 
When: Saturday and Sunday, April 25/26, 1992, 9A-5P
Cost: $8 Adults, $6 Juniors 6-11, Under 6 free
	Admission covers all trolley and train rides.

Join us at the OERM Spring Rail Festival of trolleys, trains, and nostalgia.
Highlights of the Spring Festival include:

o Main-line trains operating to the Perris Depot
o A steam train (VC2) operating from Perris to Nuevo Rd.
o Multiple trolleycars operating (Pacific Elect. and LA Ry) 
o Vintage automobiles
o Refreshments and food
o Picnic tables
o Music and entertainment
o Displays, gift shop, and more!

Orange Empire Railway Museum is the west's largest operating railway museum.
Come and see the trains that made the west and Los Angeles what it is. Come
and see what is was like to ride the streetcars and "red cars" in Los Angeles.
LA once had the greatest interurban rail system in the country; it is
preserved at OERM.

OERM is located at 2201 So. "A" Street, in Perris, California (17 miles south
of Riverside on CA 215. To get to OERM, find your way to Riverside (via CA 60
or CA 91) and go S on CA 215. Exit 215 at "D" Street or 4th Street (CA 74) and
follow the signs. Stop by and say "hi!"; I should be working the last shift on
Saturday and all day on Sunday, probably helping load the trains at the Perris
depot.

Daniel







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From: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: rdcs calgary-edmonton
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:14:00 EST
Reply-To: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

RN>Is this why there is no longer any scheduled rail passenger service
RN>between Edmonton and Calgary?

Not sure why VIA axed the Edmonton-Calgary service, but there sure were
a lot of accidents with the Budd Cars.

RN>Seems a damn shame; certainly that service was a lot faster than
RN>any automobile or bus could be.  (I assume that people now normally
RN>travel between the two cities by driving;  am I wrong?)

My sister-in-law flies to Edmonton most of the time.  There is a regular
air shuttle.  Sometimes she drives but thats usually for either personal
reasons or she has to visit a client in a town somewhere between Calgary
and Edmonton.  Steve
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From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: apta commuter rail
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:42:49 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Here is a press release from the American Public Transit Association.

 APTA Celebrates Growth of Commuter Rail at Conference in
Washington April 12-15
 To: Assignment Desk, Transportation Writer
 Contact: Chip Bishop of the American Public Transit Association,
          202-898-4114

   WASHINGTON, April 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- As cities across the
country rediscover commuter rail, public transportation's proven
alternative, the American Public Transit Association is celebrating
the mode's re-emergence at the Fifth Annual APTA Commuter Rail
Conference, April 12-15, at the Hyatt Regency Hotel here.
   Virginia DOT Secretary John G. Milliken and Maryland DOT
Secretary James Lighthizer will speak at the opening general
session, Monday, April 13, at 10 a.m.  Immediately following the
session at noon, Milliken and Lighthizer will hold a news
conference at Union Station, Gate C, to discuss the emerging role
of commuter rail in their states.
   Other keynote speakers at the conference, hosted by Amtrak,
Maryland's MARC commuter line and the new Virginia Railway Express,
include Federal Railroad Administrator Gilbert Carmichael, Federal
Transit Administrator Brian Clymer, Amtrak President W. Graham
Claytor, and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.)
   Hundreds of commuter rail general managers, board members and
others will attend the conference, which will include a series of
workshops on commuter rail operations, finance, technology, and
planning, as well as tours of maintenance facilities, state-of-the
art customer information systems, and newly-renovated Union Station
in the nation's capital.
   Top transit officials in attendance will include APTA Vice
Chairman Louis J. Gambaccini, general manager and CEO of
Philadelphia's SEPTA transit system; Rod Diridon of Santa Clara
County, Calif., APTA's vice president for rail transit; and Peter
Stangl, chairman of the New York Metropolitan Transportation
Authority.
   The conference is being planned by the APTA Commuter Rail
Committee, chaired by Michael J. Nielsen, senior director of
corporate administration, Metra commuter line in Chicago.  Edward
Gregerman, APTA's director of rail technology, is the staff
advisor.
   APTA is the international association of operating transit
authorities, their suppliers and others interested in the
advancement of transit service.
 -30-
 /distributed by U.S. Newswire  202-347-2770/

Disclaimer: I don't work for APTA or any transit operator. I just think
that trains are neat (as are streetcars, since I live in Toronto, and I
just heard one joining by on College Street at 3:32 a.m.).
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From: barry@helios.ucsc.edu (Barry Alcott)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: NRHS National Convention
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32968
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory


Contrary to a rumor that may or may not be going around the east
coast, there are still tickets left for most all steam trips at 
the NRHS National Convention in San Jose this July.  The two
events that are SOLD OUT are the night photo session and the
Union Pacific trip over the Altamont pass to Stockton.  BUT! if
you are interested in taking a ride behind the UP 3985 over the
Altamont Pass, there are still plenty of tickets left on that leg
of the "Pacific Limited".  If you are unaware of this train it is
the Union Pacific 3985 ferry trip from Cheyenne to San Jose for
the convention and return after the convention.  All legs of this
trip had seats available as of 4-14-92.  If interested, you can
call 1-800-444-3985 for tickets.  If there is interest I can post
the pricing info for this trip and/or the Southern Pacific 4449
ferry trip.

Also, for rail fan info, Flimsies will be operating a Hot-line
starting April 19th.  (805) 499-5574

Someone posted a piece of mis-information a little while back that
we would like to clear up - the NRHS convention info line is NOT
taking phone orders!  Unfortunately, we are not set up to do that.
The messages on the info line, in fact, carry information on the 
availability etc. of tickets and other useful info.

Please fill free to e-mail me if I can be of any help.

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By the way, Hal Lewis is not a 'High Muckity-muck'!  He is our steam
operations manager - and a damn good one!
From: dvp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Darwin VanderPol)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Looking for address of "Pasadena Model Railroad Club"
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:18:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard


I will also be in the LA area soon and would like this information posted.  It would also be nice to have any addresses and/or phone numbers for the San Diego
area also.  

Thanks for any information.

Darwin Vander Pol
HP--Fort Collins, CO
From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Green meets Red (Metro Green Line)
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:06:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.220625.11953
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA


In article <RABIN.92Apr7161915@epic.CS.Yale.Edu>, rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin) writes:
#
#The logical place for a Red-to-Orange/Blue track would be in the
#vicinity of Farragut Square.  

As I recall, there is a "jumper" track between the two lines in that area.  The
only mention I have ever seen of it is in a book titled "The Story of Metro". 
The track diagram in the book (freehand drawing) includes a jumper between the
two lines.

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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Old line questions
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: railnet.26XXiB2w164w
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 883 6298

haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr1.195501.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> tad@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
> >Does rolling stock ever get lost or forgotten? There is a boxcar
> (note cross-posting to alt.folklore.computers also)
> ...
> Once concerned ...
> switch yard a car loaded with new 10-year-old automobiles.

I wonder of this is an "urban" legend?  I heard an allegedly first-hand
report (from the only man in the world who owes me back wages,
so I don't put much faith in it) about a boxcarload of pre-WWII
Fords found in a boxcar on an industrial track in the Michigan
woods.  Supposedly the track to the main line had been torn out
many years before.  The scrappers were scrapping out the rail
in and around the factory, and broke open the car.  Allegedly
the car had been bad-ordered (hot box or something) and forgotten
before or during the War.

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