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From: lgoodfie@sobeco.com (l.goodfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Wakefield
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:04:03 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

In <1992Dec15.230946.1952@pellns.alleg.edu> gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt) writes:

>In article <1992Dec8.002339.14378@athena.mit.edu> frisch1@athena.mit.edu  
>(Jonathan Katz) writes:
>> Just wanted to see what the feeling is on Wakefield: is he for real or  
>will the
>> rest of the league catch up to him the second time around?


>The kid is for real.  I saw him play in Buffalo before the Pirates called  
>him up.  That knuckleball is unbelievable!!!!
>--
>Would the last one out please turn off the lights ...
>	Tom Gwitt	gwittt@alleg.edu

During the Sept. 92 NL east race, (The Pirates were up 7 games , I think,
the Pirates were in Montreal for a 2 games series. The first game matched
Wakefield against Dennis Martinez. The game was one of the best pitching
matchups I've seen in years; It lasted 14 innings and ended on a Moises
Alou grand slam. In any case, Wakefield was absolutely brilliant; I believe
he throws more strikes than any other knuckle-baller I've ever seen.

I was fortunate to be sitting several rows back, directly behind home
plate. In attendance, were advance scouts from Atlanta, Oakland, and
Toronto. These scouts were also quite impressed with Wakefield.


-- 
Lionel Goodfield
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From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Re: trade
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:55:27 GMT

In article <kbanaian.110.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>,
kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.085410@IASTATE.EDU> tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M
Loughin) writes:
> >
> >Plantier is someone Bill James has been high on for several years.  I
believed 
> >him until I got a peek at his platoon differential.  This guy has not hit
> >lefties a lick!  Can you say "Steve Jeltz"?  Sure, I knew you could...
> >
> He played poorly last year, and the .155 average against lefties didn't 
> help matters.  But he was 8-for-25 in 1991 with 3 HRs vs. LHP, so I'm not 
> sure he should be indicted as Steve Jeltz quite yet.  (What an awful 
> crime:  "You have been charged with Second Degree Jeltzing.  How do you 
> plead?")

Yes, actually, I got an e-mail response (I hope he posts it) suggesting that 
this trend is not typical of his history.  I don't have platoon splits for 
his minor league career; anyone able to fill them in?

-Tom
From: ralph@spss.com (Ralph Brendler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: NL Roto: Cubs pitching and Braves catching
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:11:09 GMT
Organization: SPSS, Inc.

In article <kbanaian.103.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>, kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.191248.2417197@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
> >Now that the Cubs have acquired Randy Myers and lost Greg Maddux, who is
> >going to be the new Cub starter?  Are they going to move up one of the
> >other relief pitchers (McElroy, Scanlan), are they going to call up someone
> >from the minors, or are they gonna trade for a new starter?  All rumors
> >are welcome.
> Well, they did get Jose Guzman to replace Maddux.  So the staff is probably 
> what?  Morgan, Guzman, Castillo, Boskie, and Harkey.  I'd sooner follow a 
> flatulent Armenian (like my dad) than the Cubs, but I believe that is the 
> official line.  Dickson and Wendell await in the minors, but I'd think 
> they'd wait on them if they could.
> 
> My advice to Rotoheads -- don't overlook Guzman in the draft.
> >

The expected rotation is actually Morgan, Guzman, Hibbard, Harkey,
Castillo (they got Hibbard for Gary Scott and Alex Arias during the
expansion draft).  Boskie will probably start out in the pen, and
replace Harkey when he gets injured again (should be the first or
second week of the season ;-)

-- 
      If these were my employer's opinions, I wouldn't be posting them.
###############################################################################
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From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Re: trade
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:54:10 GMT

In article <BzA1ty.K4z@ns1.nodak.edu>, graftaas@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Graftaas)
writes:
> What do you think of this trade?
> 
> 
> I got:                      I traded:
> Jack Morris                 Sid Fernandez   
> Wally Joyner                Eric Anthoney
> Phil Plantier               4th round draft choice
> 
> 
> 
> Your comments are appreciated.

Maybe not...

Plantier is someone Bill James has been high on for several years.  I believed 
him until I got a peek at his platoon differential.  This guy has not hit
lefties a lick!  Can you say "Steve Jeltz"?  Sure, I knew you could...

If he straightens this out to one degree or another, he'll probably surpass
Anthony in run production.  If not, he'll be a platoon player (against 
right-handers, fortunately).  If they were to pair him with someone who can 
really hit lefties, they'd have a potent platoon (remember 
Lowenstein/Roenicke?).  

That's really the key, as I see it.  Sheesh, can you imagine a 
Plantier/Brunansky platoon?  Can you say Will Clark?...

Just Dreamin'

-Tom


 
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: help with ptp (computer version)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:41:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Just in case I failed to make this clear before, the slipup is a COSMETIC
ERROR, nothing more...

Trust me, Kevin has hit 'em out versus lefties and righties...mine, for
example...

Kurt (whose big power hitter in the AL is Kevin McReynolds...but hey, in the
      NL, it's Gary Carter...)


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
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From: crichar@eskimo.com (Craig S. Richardson "Napoleon of the Stump")
Subject: Re: Wakefield
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.090403.29672@sobeco.com> lgoodfie@sobeco.com (l.goodfield) writes:
>During the Sept. 92 NL east race, (The Pirates were up 7 games , I think,
>the Pirates were in Montreal for a 2 games series. The first game matched
>Wakefield against Dennis Martinez. The game was one of the best pitching
>matchups I've seen in years; It lasted 14 innings and ended on a Moises
>Alou grand slam. In any case, Wakefield was absolutely brilliant; I believe
>he throws more strikes than any other knuckle-baller I've ever seen.

The idea that knuckleballers inherently have less control than "real" 
pitchers is a fairly recent perversion as baseball history goes.  This
is probably due to the fact that (a) the current generation's perception
of knuckleballers is coloured by our familiarity with Hough and two Niekros,
who were older than biblical patriarchs by the time we got to see them, and
(b) no recent knuckleballer (to the best of my knowledge) had very good
control before switching over.  In the early years, many knuckleballers had
excellent control, and if Wakefield can break the string, I'd heartily
applaud.

This being said, I don't think he'll be a star.  The recent personnel 
changes will both depress Pirate offense and make the defense more uncertain.
For fantasy purposes, this means that he'll be overvalued (IMHO).  He will
be a solid starter, and should be able to pitch a lot of quality innings.
I'd be concerned about the bullpen holding what leads the offense manages
to give him, though...

--Craig
-- 
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Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:31:44 -0500 
From: "J. Anthony Graves" <jg4e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: $$$FANTASY LEAGUE$$$

This is the first posting.  I am looking for fans that are interested in
picking up a league in the Pittsburgh area.  I am willing to negotiate
all terms and rules, as well as the money that we will be playing for. 
Having computer access is a huge plus, but certainly not manditory.  If
you are interested please e-mail me at jg4e+@andrew.cmu.edu.  It can be
a really interesting and exciting time, if we can get a group of
interested and exciting people.  I'm waiting to hear from you.
-Tony Graves

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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: trade
Organization: Pitzer College
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.085410@IASTATE.EDU> tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin) writes:
>
>Plantier is someone Bill James has been high on for several years.  I believed 
>him until I got a peek at his platoon differential.  This guy has not hit
>lefties a lick!  Can you say "Steve Jeltz"?  Sure, I knew you could...
>
He played poorly last year, and the .155 average against lefties didn't 
help matters.  But he was 8-for-25 in 1991 with 3 HRs vs. LHP, so I'm not 
sure he should be indicted as Steve Jeltz quite yet.  (What an awful 
crime:  "You have been charged with Second Degree Jeltzing.  How do you 
plead?")
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From: alee@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Albert J Lee)
Subject: weekly statistics during the season
Summary: Where to find player stats
Keywords: rotisserie,fantasy,baseball,stats,ftp
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:10:18 GMT

Does anyone out there know of a ftp site or free network I can access to 
download weekly cummulative statistics on all Major League players during the 
season ???

Thanks!

Albert (alee@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: donl@iscp.bellcore.com (Don Locrasto)
Subject: Re: help with ptp (computer version)
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:31:32 GMT

In article <92349.114519RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
<Stuff Deleted>
|> 
|> in 1991, here's what kevin did:
|> 
|>        ab   h  d  t  hr  bb  so
|> vs.l  181  40  7  0   9  30  51
|> vs.r  319  70  7  1  14  53  77
|> 
|> and here's what the 1991 player's disk says he did:
|> 
|>        ab   h  d  t  hr  bb  so
|> vs.l  181  40  0  0   0   0   0
|> vs.r  319  70 14  1  23  83 128
|> 
|> it's the same way for everybody.  at bats and hits vs. lefties and righties
|> are correct, but doubles, triples, homers, walks, and strikeouts are
|> all zero versus lefties, and, versus righties, equal to the sum of what the
|> player really did against both lefties and righties.
|> 
|> so what's the scoop? does the computer somehow know the lefty/righty splits
|> anyway, or am i going to have to go through each and every player and
|> change his splits?
|> 
< More Stuff Deleted >
|> 

What you were looking at is data that is stored in the player stats
file (PLYR200).  The actual player ratings are in a separate file
(BRTG200 for batters, PRTG200 for pitchers), and this
is what the game uses to reproduce a player's stats.
The stats file only saves AB's and HITS vs lefties,
all other numbers are totals.
So, while is uses all entered data to create the players rankings,
it only saves those two stats mentioned above.

I've done some reverse engineering of the PLYR200 file,
and I have C++ classes that access the data.
I used the programs to analyze the statistical accuracy
of a 1990 replay that I did, and PTP's accuracy is impressive.

Don
From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Brewers catching 1993
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:30:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <kbanaian.109.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>I've tried to reply to several inquiries for input, so you should feel duly 
>guilty for not posting a reply to these inquiries herein:
>
>1.  How in love with Surhoff is Garner?  Does Nilsson get to play more this 
>season?  I still think Nilsson will hit for power, and with 400 ABs could be 
>the next Chris Hoiles.

 Surhoff is moving to 3rd base. Notice Sietser(sp?) has yet to be signed.
Nilsson will be starting Catcher, with Mcintosh as backup.

>2.  What about Jaha, Brew-has?  I notice they saved him for the ROY 
>competition for next season.  I say he has a helluva chance.

Will start at 1st base. He started to pick up at the end of last season.


-- 
 Dr. Strangelove      "You know your having a bad day when the fifth
 U.Wisconsin Milwaukee    inning rolls around and they drag the warning
 Major: Political Science  track." -Mike Flanagan, pitcher Baltimore Orioles
 Why that Alias? From the Movie Dr. Strangelove.
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: Help me with baseball christmas gift
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:55:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Distribution: usa

In article <28536@oasys.dt.navy.mil> heidenre@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Todd Heidenreich) writes:
>Hello,
>
>    I have been hearing a lot about computer simulation games for the
>last year or so on this list.  What I would like to know is if there
>are any good baseball boardgames out there.
>
>    My little brother is a baseball fanatic but he doesn't have access
>to a computer.  I would like to get him a good baseball game for his
>Christmas gift but I don't know if any exist.
>

It depends in great part on how old your little brother is.  If he's 9-12 or
so, the best advice I have is to purchase Avalon Hill's _Statis-Pro_ Baseball.
It can be found at any shop that sells wargaming supplies (usually), and is a
simple game to learn, and comes with the most recent year (1992 will be released
in April or therabouts).  It isn't the best simulation on the market, but it's
quick and easy, and enjoyable for the kids.

Pursue the Pennant is a nicely produced boardgame that is suitable for anyone
older.  It also comes with a previous season's cards for most major leaguers,
and is much more involved, with ten or twelve pages of charts to check.  The
game is extremely detailed, and as a bonus, the deluxe boxed edition comes with
paper replicas of all 26 stadiums, which can be assembled and put in the lid of
the box for show.  Cool stuff.  If you have a local hobby store, you might be
able to find it, but it isn't always easy to get...

Strat-o-Matic may be your best bet.  It isn't put together as slickly as PtP,
and it is a bit more difficult to get into than Statis Pro, but a lot of folks
swear by it.  (I swear *at* it, but that's another story.)  It tends to be
carried at a lot of toy stores, especially if you go to those stores at the
different malls, like Kay-Bee and K&K.  It's in a flat (Monopoly style) box.

Statis Pro runs @$35, PtP costs $40, and SoM is, well, depending on where you
go, I've seen it for anywhere from $10 to $40.  The new game will probably be 
$30. 

Personally, I like PtP, but the Avalon Hill game has a lot of personal 
significance to me, and I'll probably always keep a copy...

Followups set to r.s.bb.fantasy....

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
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From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: HELP: Any Suggestions?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:15:46 GMT

As the proud owner of the Brockton Boxers in a PTP league game, I would 
like to know what you think is the best strategic move in picking up
young players?

I'm running on 1991 stats and have looked through it, but I would like to
put together a few raw talent along with some big namers.

Any suggestions in who I should keep an eye out for would be appreciated.

Dan
From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: NL Roto: Cubs pitching and Braves catching
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:31:06 GMT
Organization: Biochemistry

In article <kbanaian.103.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.191248.2417197@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren
Usui) writes:
>>
>>Also, what's the status of Greg Olsen?  Is he going to return by next spring?
>>If not, will Berryhill be the catcher?
>>
>Latest Braves-Jay rumor has Randy Knorr available to the Braves for either 
>Mercker or Wohlers.  Olson's injury, it appears, is more serious than 
>reported.  Berryhill can't hit well enough to justify his use.
>
>IMO, what the hell is the matter with Cabrera?  If Knorr comes over, he can 
>hit.
>

Not familiar with Randy Knorr, but the Braves have a perfectly good catcher in
Javier Lopez.  Can field the position and hit at least as well as the average
major league catcher.  Since he's 22, that's not bad.  If Olson doesn't come
back, Lopez will start the season in Atlanta instead of Richmond...as the #1
catcher.  Should have an OK average (say .250) with some power (8-10 HR?),
which is pretty good for a rookie catcher from Double-A.  And if Olson does
come back in '93, then Lopez is the starting catcher in 1994.

As an aside, the best expansion team IMHO will be the Richmond Braves.  Chipper
Jones, Mel Nieves, Ryan Klesko, possibly Lopez, What's his name (the Texas 3B
prospect acquired over the Winter Meetings).  The Marlins dream of such a
lineup.  Not much chopped steak anywhere in that lineup.
Eric Roush			Deck us all with Boston Charlie
fierkelab@			Walla Walla Wash and Kalamazoo!
bchm.biochem.duke.edu	Nora's freezin' on the Trolley,
				Swaller Dollar Cauliflower Alla-ga-Roo!

				Walt Kelley
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From: abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier)
Subject: Re: weekly statistics during the season
Summary: Where to find player stats
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: rotisserie,fantasy,baseball,stats,ftp
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.011018.13612@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, alee@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Albert J Lee) writes...
>Does anyone out there know of a ftp site or free network I can access to 
>download weekly cummulative statistics on all Major League players during the 
>season ???
> 

Check with Matt Wall (wall@cc.swarthmore.edu) about this. I have 
volunteered to help him with just such a service (sort of) starting with
the 93 season. Matt has set up the ftp site and I'm getting together stats
from 87-92 to serve as some history. They should be available in the near
future.

Currently I have access to and can provide (with no extra work on my part)
the data for each of the 26 weeks taken separately, but not cumulative-to-
date. I guess I can hack together a program to accumulate stats from these
if there's enough interest. Oh what the hell, it won't be that much work.

--- Gary Mosier
    gem712@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov (preferred internet address)
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Help me with baseball christmas gift
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:05:54 GMT

In article <l9+r#fj@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) writes:

>Statis Pro runs @$35, PtP costs $40, and SoM is, well, depending on where you
>go, I've seen it for anywhere from $10 to $40.  The new game will probably be 
>$30. 

In the past, replacement card sets for PTP have cost more than Strat.  But,
last season, Strat cost more.  I wonder if this will be a trend, or a one year
fluke...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: Wade Boggs signs with Yankees
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:19:40 GMT


Wade Boggs signed a 3 yr deal w/Yankees.

what rotisserie impact does this have??
well,
  1) Hensley Meulens will not play for the Yanks.
  2) Russ Davis (3B at AA) will have to wait at least 3
     years to start for the Yanks.
  3) Scott Cooper should start at 3B for the BoSox.


-- 
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From: sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: Re: The newest Minnesota Twin
Summary:  Winfield is a Twin (?)
Keywords: Twins, Minnesota, American League, Winfield
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:12:05 GMT


  Reportedly, the newest Minnesota Twin is Dave Winfield.
It's not official yet; a news conference is set for Friday.

  This may delay the arrival of prospect David McCarty 
to the majors.

-- 
# Sean C. Sullivan (sullis@rpi.edu) | R.P.I. | DISCLAIMER:  Not!   #
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From: heidenre@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Todd Heidenreich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Help me with baseball christmas gift
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:13:35 GMT
Reply-To: heidenre@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Todd Heidenreich)
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hello,

    I have been hearing a lot about computer simulation games for the
last year or so on this list.  What I would like to know is if there
are any good baseball boardgames out there.

    My little brother is a baseball fanatic but he doesn't have access
to a computer.  I would like to get him a good baseball game for his
Christmas gift but I don't know if any exist.

Thanks for any help,

Todd

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