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From: WENGERB@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Brian Wenger, Asst Dir, Info Systems, CCSU)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Three more ECT References
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.224115.18345@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.
dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>In article <920723101037.22e43d36@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> WENGERB@CCSUA.
>CTSTATEU.EDU (Brian Wenger, Asst Dir, Info Systems, CCSU) writes:
>>Scott Ballantyne wrote:
>>>Besides, this group is often read by newcomers to Scientology, people
>>>who are trying to decide whether or not to get involved --- I get
>>>mail from them all the time.
>>
>>Why do I have a hard time believing that anyone would go to you
>>for information on Scientology?
>>
>I found this amusing from the man who knows that Scientology improved his 
>eyesight, but can't prove it, but just knows it.

I don't believe in absolutes Keith, but I do believe that someone can
observe a solely personal change, and make an accurate conclusion as 
to how that change took place.

-- 
Brian Wenger   (wengerb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu)    Scientologist since 1981
Asst. Dir. Info. Systems
Central Connecticut State Univ.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
Subject: Re: ECT References (Brian Wenger's)
Organization: ScotSoft Research
	<BrMC81.3pE@ssr.com> <ROCKWELL.92Jul19163919@socrates.umd.edu>
	<Bro1Dv.EtB@ssr.com> <ROCKWELL.92Jul21022406@socrates.umd.edu>
	<ROCKWELL.92Jul21083838@socrates.umd.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:37:36 GMT

In article <ROCKWELL.92Jul21083838@socrates.umd.edu> rockwell@socrates.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller-Rockwell) writes:

   If someone happens to have information on the age distribution of
   people who take the purification rundown, I'll see if I can find some
   actarial tables and make a more precise estimate on how many people
   should die from "demographic reasons", while taking the purif.

Instead of going to all the trouble to whittle a near zero value
 closer to zero (you will never get it to zero, because the risk of
death is not zero - we went through this with the niacin wars -
remember those?) might I suggest that a better approach would be to
raise the value of zero in the benefits column? A good way to do that
would be to provide peer reviewed studies demonstrating the efficacy
of the Purif. 

It's only fair, after all - I was asked to provide references, and I
did - including references that show that the description provided by
the Scientology group CCHR (via Mr. Wenger) is a tissue of lies. These
references have not been challenged by anyone, including the
Scientologists in this group.  Now I've asked the Scientologists in
this group to provide some for their Purification rundown (after all,
it was a Scientologist that made the initial comparison). This is the
only way to make the risk of the Purif less than ECT.

   But, Scott Ballantyne has made claims that the risk of death is
   significant.  He even acts like he knows what he's talking about.  So,
   who died?

Well, first of all --- no one has to die to have a risk of death that
is greater than zero --- use your noggin. But more to the point, why
is it you do not accept the benefit/risk relationship? Is there a
reason to focus only on the risks?  I wouldn't risk a skin rash for
any procedure that has as little going for it as the Purif. I would
gladly put up with a skin rash (or worse) if the medicine that caused
it had a good chance of curing me of cancer. There is a balance that
must be struck. To strike the balance you have to establish efficacy.
So far you have only attacked my comments on risk.

sdb
---
sdb@ssr.com
From: WENGERB@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Brian Wenger, Asst Dir, Info Systems, CCSU)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Studies
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.034019.252382@cs.cmu.edu> lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu
(Donald Lindsay) writes:
>WENGERB@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Brian Wenger, Asst Dir, Info Systems, CCSU) writes:
>>Trying to use psychological/psychiatric-established testing methods
>>on Scientology auditing's efficacy, is a little like using the earth-
>>is-flat theory to understand Newton's Law of Gravity. It can be done,
>>but will be misunderstood.

>I've said many times that auditing is often of value. I say it
>because I think that auditing is a form of counselling, and _all_
>forms of counselling are often of value.

>Forms of counselling are *often* measured by studies, and it would
>please me if Scientology would go with the flow.

>I fail to see why the result would be misunderstood.

What kind of study would you suggest? Scientology auditing's general
goal is greater personal happiness and ability in life. It often
happens that psycho-somatic problems resolve in the process of auditing.
But as far as I know, the individual himself is the only one that can
measure subjective experiences like those.

-----
Brian Wenger   (wengerb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu)    Scientologist since 1981
Asst. Dir. Info. Systems
Central Connecticut State Univ.
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Call for vote ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:21:47 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

Hi there. Has anyone experienced problems with voting?
I replied to the CFV msg and that bounced, then I mailed to
the guy who posted the msg, and even that bounced.

Anyone suggestions on what to do?

Thnx.

Victor.


Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens)
Subject: Re: Going by Middle Name
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:39:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.014713.19837@news.acns.nwu.edu>, beartwo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Audrey Davis) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul26.141325.14494@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga) writes:
|> >
|> >Do your friends refer to you by your first or middle name?  My parents
|> >come from Atkins, in southwest Virginia.
|> >So..., is this a regional custom for parts of Appalachia?  Have any
|> >of you alt.a readers experienced this?
|> >
|> I'm from
|> Kingsport, Tennessee, and it's common here.  Also common, nicknames which
|> have NOTHING to do with one's "real" name, to wit, my brother's nickname of
|> "Tony" when his real name is "Willie."  Do you have that too?

My father (James Franklin) from central WVa is known as Corky to everyone
"back home".  I'm not sure anyone remembers why.  It sounds Irish or 
Scottish though...

jim mullens
jcm@ornl.gov (128.219.128.17) -or- mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (128.219.64.31)
voice: 615-574-5564
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Hello out there in Appalachia
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:00:18 GMT

Hello, everyone...

Those of you who have been around this newsgroup for a while will remember
me as the guy who got this whole mess started, posted a lot for a while,
and then dropped out of sight over the last few weeks.  I'd just like to
say that I hope everyone saw the Call For Votes for soc.culture.usa.
appalachian, which is a newsgroup proposed in order to more widely
propagate Appalachian discussions... as many of you know, alt. newsgroups
aren't exactly welcome everywhere.

I won't campaign one way or another in order to avoid compromising the CFV,
but please do take the time to vote.

Now then, what Appalachian-oriented topics would you all like to discuss?

People around here are already getting into the mood for Fall, which as
anyone who's had the luck to be in the mountains during the autumn season
knows is the time of beautiful autumn colors that would make anyone wonder
why people live in the cities at all...
From: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Strange Appalachian sayings
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Jul25.073337.20459@samba.oit.unc.edu> Fred.Homan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Fred Homan) writes:
>In article <39826@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> dch@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Hamilton) writes:
>	Considering the number of Scottish immigrants who settled Appalachia
>(Southern West Virginia is littered with Glen XXXX and Radford, Virginia
>celebrates Scottish Highland Days) it would not surprise me if the saying is
>handed down from them.


What are these Scottish Highland Days?  I have been living just about 10
miles from Radford, in Dublin (the Scots weren't the only settlers!),
all of my life, and I never knew about these Highland Days in Radford.
When are they held?

scott
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: Call for vote ?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:43 GMT

In article <l7ekhrINNhi5@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
|> Hi there. Has anyone experienced problems with voting?

Thus far, 65 people have voted successfully.

|> I replied to the CFV msg and that bounced,

Usually, "bounced" means that a message failed to be delivered to its
recipient.  That is not what happened in this case.  Your message made it to
the mail server, and the mail server responded to your message.  Its response
was an error message, because your vote was incorrectly formatted.

Here is your message to the server (with how you actually voted concealed):

>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:21:30 -0400
>From: eijkhout@cs.utk.edu
>Message-Id: <9207292121.AA01615@cupid.cs.utk.edu>
>To: mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu
>Subject:    "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian *"
>
>   "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian *"

Now, quoting from the call for votes:

>To cast a vote, send mail to
>
>   "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"
>
>with ONE of the following strings (you don't need the quotes)
>
>   "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian yes"
>   "vote soc.culture.usa.appalachian no"
>
>on a line by itself in the subject field or body of the message, where

Note the "you don't need the quotes."  If you remove them and resubmit your
vote, it will be registered properly.

|> Anyone suggestions on what to do?

Read instructions more carefully next time.

Granted, they probably should have said, "without the quotes" rather than "you
don't need the quotes."  I'll watch for that if anybody uses my vote server in
the future CFVs.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
		 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: Going by Middle Name
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:55:24 GMT

Last year my Aunt Irene died in Greenup, Ky.  When we went to the churchyard to
bury her, her headstone read "Edna."  Now, I didn't have a clue who Edna was,
but my cousins (her children -- who I trust to know this for sure) said that is
Irene's first name.

It has long amused me that many in my family go by their middle names.  I have
never figured out why that is.  My mother said it has something to do with
going from Kentucky to Cincinnati to work.  Doesn't make sense, because -- as
with Aunt Irene -- a lot of the family never left Greenup!

And then there is my grandfather, Tink Brown.  According to family legend, he
was called Tink as a baby name, and when he went to school he named himself
Albert.

My cousin's real name is Garnett.  But she was such a cranky infant, one
who needed to be walked and patted on the back, that -- yes -- she's been
called Patty her whole life.

So anyway, do we have any linguists/sociologists/pyschologists out there who
can explain the Middle Name Syndrome?

Gemma McLuckie
Born in Ashland, Ky. Family from Greenup and Big White Oak.
From: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Strange Appalachian sayings
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Jul28.214400.8351@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga) writes:
>so sick I'd never want to eat that again, she said I got "foundered"
>on it.  Useful word, since I don't know any other English equivalent.

That isn't really a colloquialism, since (I think) it is a standard 
English word.  However, I have never heard it used by a non-Appalachian!

cheers,
	scott
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: Fred.Homan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Fred Homan)
Subject: Re: Strange Appalachian sayings
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.212902.5253@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>A 'poke' for a paper bag is standard Scots idiom too.  (Someone mentioned
>the word in another posting)

	From which we get the more-than-Appalachian-used phrase "Pig in a
Poke".  Though why anyone would put a pig in a paper bag instead of something
stronger is beyond me.  I've never heard people in West Virginia use poke in
anything but the "pig in a..." phrase, either.

Fred Op

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: repost
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:57:59 GMT

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From: BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY <buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Message-Id: <199207210856.AA00372@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
Subject: Re: reposting of poll response sent to me via email
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Cc: 

Parkersburg. When I was younger, we would see all the traffic coming down
I-77 or route 2 during Memorial day weekend or on Labor Day. M yfather always
commented that Akron was coming home.

Charles Buckley

P.S did you know any Knopp's down in Ripley?
From: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Going by Middle Name
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: ss@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Scott Stuart)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Jul27.143923.20428@ornl.gov> mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens) writes:
>My father (James Franklin) from central WVa is known as Corky to everyone
>"back home".  I'm not sure anyone remembers why.  It sounds Irish or 
>Scottish though...


Probably Irish, since there is a city in southwestern Ireland (Eire) named
Cork.  Not a very nice city, imho, but it is in the middle of a very
beautiful countryside.

scott
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Fat Monroe (was Re: violence etc.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:20:00 GMT

Has the "Fat Monroe" short been released?  I got an unofficial viewing when I
was at Appalshop last winter.  If anyone has else has seen it I'd like to
know what you think.  The cut I saw was followed by a long (too long) 
interview with Norman, but the story itself was well rendered and inspired
me to read the rest of the Wilgus stories.  I tried to read _Divine Rights
Trip_ once and it seemed a bit dated, I didn't get very far, but _Kinfolks_
got my interest and kept it.  

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: beartwo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Audrey Davis)
Subject: Re: Going by Middle Name
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.141325.14494@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga) writes:
>
>Do your friends refer to you by your first or middle name?  My parents
>come from Atkins, in southwest Virginia.  When they went to school, all
>their teachers, friends and parents call them by their middle names.
>My mom hated her middle name, so she insisted that everyone use her first
>name.  Soon after I was born, they moved to Michigan, where everyone
>started to call us by our first names.  My brother and I went through
>high school telling everyone that we went my our middle names, but we
>both gave up when we went to college, and just let everyone call us by
>our first names.  So sometimes I have a schizophrenic feeling when I
>go visit family and they all start calling me Curt again.
>
>So..., is this a regional custom for parts of Appalachia?  Have any
>of you alt.a readers experienced this?
>
>Bill (wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu)
>(or Curt)

Hey Bill (or Curt) -- I went all through high school calling myself "Faye"
(my middle name) and changed in college because all my mail came to
"Audrey" (my first name).  Lucky for me I like both names.  Actually, I use
my name(s) as a gauge -- my closest friends know I use both.  I'm from
Kingsport, Tennessee, and it's common here.  Also common, nicknames which
have NOTHING to do with one's "real" name, to wit, my brother's nickname of
"Tony" when his real name is "Willie."  Do you have that too?

Audrey (Faye) Davis

Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Appalachian/Texas
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:54:09 GMT


  I'm not from the Appalachain area, but from Texas.  There is 
a regional type in Texas in the Edwards Plateau called the cedar
chopper or (or charcoal burner). These folks migrated to Texas
in the middle 1800's and all came from 2 or 3 counties in the
Appalachian area of NC. Can't recall their last names but there
are about 5-6 names that these folks have.
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: sally@nevada.edu (SALLY PHARES)
Subject: Bob Denver in W.Va.
Originator: sally@helios.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:03:33 GMT

I missed whoever posted the note about Bob Denver living in W.Va!

He used to live here in Las Vegas.  In fact he built a new home
about 4 miles from me.  It's beautiful.  He drove a Jeep CJ most
of the time.  When I visited a friend that lived just
past them I noticed the house looked different recently, the Jeep was 
replaced with other vehicles, etc.   My friend said that he heard
that Bob had sold the house and moved elsewhere because the area
was being developed so much.

Suzanne Somers lives a few blocks west and one road north from where
Bob did...wonder if she's planning to move to W.Va. too??
From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Satellite dishes in hollers
Followup-To: alt.appalachian
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Expires: 30 Aug 1992 22:23:24 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: the influence of TV
Keywords: TV

In article <17JUL199209085330@utkvx1.utk.edu>,
  takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
>
>Television is such a potent attraction, you see this phenomenon all over
>the world--people invest in tv before they feed their families.

You are correct.  In the book \The Story of English/, by Robert McNeil,
et al, there is a description of how a few years ago, a nomadic tribe in
Africa called the Tuareg people, whose only livelihood is derived from
herding goats, delayed by two weeks their annual tribal migration to
lowlands pastures.  The delay was so that they could watch TV and find
out the answer to one of the modern era's most compelling questions:

    "Who Shot JR?"

-- 
 ....Richard S. Shuford  | "If a man loudly blesses his neighbor early
 ....shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  in the morning, it will be taken as a curse."
 ....BIX: richard        |  Proverbs 27:14  NIV
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: Strange Appalachian sayings
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:51:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul11.135340.18729@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>
>Might as well start a formal thread on this topic since it has come up
>so far.
>
>My background is rather strange - my grandparents grew up in Pt. Pleasant
>and surrounding areas, my mom was born there, but then they moved to 
>Detroit for a few yrs for Grandpa to work in auto manufacturing.  Then
>they moved back to WV for the past almost 40 yrs.  
>
>The reason I mention this is that I don't know if this is App. or not,
>but they (and now I) always say 'fair to middlin' when asked how we are
>doing.  I was told about 10 yrs ago this really meant 'fair to Middlington'
>or some such place, a town in Michigan.  So maybe the old folks picked it
>up while up north.  Anyone else hear that one?
Well I'm Parkersburg West Virginia and that is definitly a phrase I've
heard and used my whole life. All my relatives from down your grandparents
way also use that phrase. I doubt very seriously that it has anything to do
with a town in Michigan.
>-- 
>Larry W. Virden			UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
>Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
>Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
>America Online: lvirden@aol.com

Charles Buckley
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: uk09365@nx06.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: violence etc.
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:41:07 GMT

I am currently taking a graduate English course in creative
writing and storytelling.  The focus is on Appalachian
storytelling and folklore from both a traditional
and a post-modern view.  The instructor is Gurney
Norman.  Perhaps you have heard of him?  He authored
DEVINE RIGHT'S TRIP, "Fat Monroe" (made into a short
movie with Ned Beatty), and a number of other short
stories.  He has been involved with several documentaries
produced by Kentucky Educational TV and Appalshop.

This workshop is four weeks long and will end next thursday.
I have been supplying copies of posts from this newsgroup
to Gurney.  (I hope no one has a problem with this.)  He
is net illiterate but I will be teaching him how to read
(and possibly post in) this newsgroup before the end of
the term.

Gurney has become fairly intrigued by this group, and the
whole concept of the "net culture," over the past three
weeks.  He has asked that I pose the following request
to the net just to see what the responses are like.

============
Please relate personal experiences with, or family incidents,
histories or accounts of violence and feuding in the
Appalachian area.  If it is not too personal and/or difficult,
please discuss feuds in which your ancestors were involved.

E-mail if you desire net privacy.  Your responses will
be read by Gurney and myself.  They may be shared in our
workshop.  I am the only person there with net access.

Robert K.