From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:26:06 GMT


Not gonna quote Larry Spence cause this editor sucks.
 
Re Nm List. You could be right. Posting about seriously pop-ish things which
are covered in other newsgroups and shitloads of music magazines is boring
cause its already so covered, but its a waste of bandwidth for stuff thats
not covered.
 
I wouldnt call Beel's taste in improv a music-for-angry-young-men-thing
either since not all improv has to be like Zorn's furious noise.
 
(Gee, the nm list is really seeping in here now that its sleeping.)
 
As for the joke bits, I wrote them for you.
 
I was thinking about the why is classical good when its not new thing, since
I like it myself (tho I'm not avidly collecting it, my parents do that,
I've had a big helping). If the genre is already dead, then you can't expect
anything new, and the great stuff really has time to be distilled. Unfortunately
it does thereby cater to a lower common denominator, but that cant be helped.
But if the scene is still somewhat alive and progressing in a shape of
its former self, then new does seem better to me. Throbbing Gristle and
Cabs from 1974 is great stuff, but Bleep Bloop isnt too interesting anymore,
not to mention that 10,000 bands around 1978 started imitating them ad nauseum
until bleep died in pure form somewhat later. But thats just a sub genre.
The grunge-drum machine thing is continuing well with HoD, God, Godflesh and
Terminal Cheesecake and I find it quite interesting.
 
However, for contrast, let's look at punk. I have a fair amount but dont claim
to be aware of what the current attitude about it is. I think it's dead, cause
all the new stuff sounds like the old stuff. It's had a huge influence on
other genres (hardcore for one), but punk itself is pretty dead. (I know,
I'll hear everyone start telling me its not but it is. (Bad Religion sounded
so dated. Helmet blew them away.) Nows the time for distillation.
 
I think that some forms of industrial, such as the pure bleep stuff, is now
dead, and there are classics to collect, but I wouldn't go on and on about
any new band popping up and doing bleep alone, which is probably pretty hard
to be pure about anyway.
 
As well, a distinction of good has to be made. I've been abusing the term.
Good stuff can be old, cause TG and SPK sure is good, and their older
incarnations are far better than their new, just to make a stronger point.
Dwelling on that stuff and collecting every offshoot band from 3 years later
than the death of that kind of early material is pointless. Little of it
is "good". Its derivative and very much so.
 
All the FLA and TKK and the like is pretty derivative to my ears of what
was around 3 or 4 years ago. Techno leaning music sounds alot more original
tho I dont particularly like it. And YES, ALL FLA *DOES* sound the same. What's
worse, Digital Poodle sounds like FLA, exactly. 
 
Mebbe you can come up with a serious reply this time.
 
/kc
Ken P Chasse
sizone!good_is_good@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu
 (her goodness isnt my goodness, etc.)
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