HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hughg@bnr.co.uk (H.J.Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to get a page count?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:24:30 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.45
Keywords: FBC pagecount

Convert files to mif format - a fairly simple awk will extract filenames
from a book in mif format - then:
grep "PageType BodyPage" *.mif # or whatever suffix you have given them

I have tried this on a small selection of mif files and it appears to work



         hughg
__________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Subject: Spellchecking foreign fonts on a Mac
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

I'm writing a document that includes text in a foreign language that
uses a non-roman script.  I would like to spellcheck the document, but
I quickly get tired of it flagging words like "wdV" or
"h\opt-am\opt-zl>^".  On my workstation at work, I can install a font
and flag it as Non-Text, so that it will be ignored when
spell-checking.  Is there any way to do something similar on a mac?

[I know (or at least suspect) that I can turn off spell checking for
an entire paragraph by setting the paragraph format's language to
"none", but most of the foreign text is in-line, so I would like to
attach the property to the character format or font.]

While I'm on the subject, since the words in the foreign script *are*
words, it would be very nice if I could spellcheck them also.  This
would mean being able to flag the character format or font as being in
the appropriate language (ASL in this case), and being able to create
my own foreign-language dictionary.  I would be ecstatic if, in
addition, I could convince the spell-check (and find/replace) dialogue
boxes to display their text in the appropriate font so that I could
actually recognize the words without having to look down at the
keyboard and translate symbols.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: gjw@csis.dit.csiro.au (Graham Williams)
Subject: Re: Sun keyboard mapping in imakerenglish Ver 3
Reply-To: gjw@csis.dit.csiro.au
Organization: Spatial Information Systems, CSIRO, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:40:59 GMT

I assume you are using FrameMaker 3.1X (or something similar) on a Sun
under OpenWindows version 3.  The following information may help:

/*\		PASTE and CUT NOT WORKING FOR FRAME UNDER OW3

OpenWindows3 maps L3 (Props), L8 (Paste), and L10 (Cut) to be Mod5's.
These are consequently unavailable for use in FrameMaker.  The
command:

	$ xmodmap -e 'clear mod5'				[CLEAR]

removes this mapping, allowing the above keys to work within
FrameMaker.  These keys are then supposed to become unavailable in
OpenWindows applications as modifiers, however, I have not noticed any
untoward effect.

To restore the original behaviour the command is:

	$ xmodmap -e 'add Mod5 = L3 L8 L10' 			[ADD]

I have tried putting the CLEAR command in my .xinitrc so that it is
automatically done each time I start up OpenWindows.  Unfortunately, it
seems that OpenWindows does it's dirty work after .xinitrc is read.

It even seems that some OpenWindows application (or the server itself?)
may "fix" the modifier dynamically, since after issuing the CLEAR
command, the keys eventually get mapped back to Mod5 (after using some
OpenWindows applications?).  So you just have to do the CLEAR manually
as you require it!

My current solution is to use the following cron job:

15,45 * * * * DISPLAY=":0.0" /usr/openwin/bin/xmodmap -e 'clear mod5'

With this I have generally had the Cut and Paste keys available when I
go to use them in FrameMaker.  You can increase the frequency of this
if you wish.

\*/


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Re: HELP: Frustration using Tools in FrameMaker 3.1
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 13:26:42 GMT


With most tools from the Tool window you ought to be able
to shift-click on the tool icon and have it retained. This
doesn't seem to work for the character tool, however.

good luck!

Brighid
brighid@bass.lkw.com
From: campbelr@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Bob Campbell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:39:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to get a page count?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame

Well, hopefully there is a better way, but . . .

It looks like you should be able to save the files in MIF format, and
then use:

	grep "end of Page" {your fileset} | wc -l

I do not know how exact this is (the last page may not be counted) but
it should get you close.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: revision control software, again
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 13:25:50 GMT


I know this topic went by at least once recently, but of course I didn't
save the posts because I didn't think it was relevant then. Now, it is. :)

So, if the person(s) who asked about revision control software or 
configuration management software could forward a copy of any summaries
they made, I'd be real happy.

Anyone else who has any pointers, they'd be really appreciated too.

(Environment: flavors of UNIX including ODT 2.0, Frame 3.1, 386s and 486s)

many thanks!

Brighid Wood
brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: Chapter headers in multiple part chapters
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:45:12 EST


In article <937@unidoct.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de>, icking@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Martin Icking) writes:

|> I have a problem concerning the book feature of frame.
|> We have a large document (>400p) split into some parts
|> and we want the title of each chapter printed on top of each page as well
|> as page numbering for each chapter (eg. page 3-45). If every part of the 
|> book consists of exactly one chapter everything goes fine. But we have one
|> large chapter which we want to sp|> lit. The first part of this chapter is 
|> ok but the following parts don't know about their chapter title or their
|> chapter number so the page header is empty and the page numbers look like
|> -45. Does anyone know a workaround without special page headers for each
|> part of the chapter? 

This can be achieved by using Cross-References in the header instead of
Running Header/Footer variables.  This allows you to pull the information from
a different file.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: nzr20@meadow.uucp (Nicholas Russon)
Subject: Is there an easy way to get a page count?
Summary: FBC numbering makes it difficult to get accurate estimate
Keywords: FBC pagecount
Reply-To: nzr20@meadow.UUCP (Nicholas Russon)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Centre
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:58:33 GMT

We've got a large number of book files, each with several chapter
files of varying length, all using folio-by-chapter numbering 
(page 1-2 follows 1-1, Chapter two pages are numbered 2-1, 2-2, etc.).

We need to get estimates on-the-fly for the page count for an arbitrary
set of these books, in order to plan binder sizes, etc.

We can figure out the manual method (open each file, check number of
pages, add to running total), but we're hoping there's an easier way.

Does anyone have a suggestion?

Please email me and I'll summarize any responses for the group.

Regards,
Nicholas

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: Saving a "preferred" setup for startup?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:21:42 GMT

lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) writes:

>I have frame 3.1 will be receiving the 3.1.1(?) soon, but is there any way to
>save a preferred setup.  I always want to startup with a full page display
>which is maxed out for the screen size.  Also some stuff like having the tools
>saved in a place.

Opps.  I'm running on a Sparc.  But we also have the PC Windows version and
anticipate purchasing the MAC version.


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Integrated Techinical Systems                               (803)-792-5446(FAX)
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MultiMedia Works & Video Productions ======= Teaching the world in better ways
From: koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Boxed text in Framemaker?
Keywords: keycap fonts
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:39:02 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

It might be worth pointing out that there is an alternative to representing
keycaps as boxed words.  There are fonts which represent the keycaps of a 
standard keyboard.  Of course, you'd have to find, buy, and install one.
The nicest looking one I know off the top of my head is a bitmapped font
for HP LaserJets, from SoftCraft - not much use in this context.  It includes
a shadowed keyshape around the characters.

----
John E. Koontz (koontz@bldr.nist.gov)

Disclaimer:  Views and recommendations, express or implied, are my own, and
do not reflect the opinion or policy of my employers.
From: mhardy@acorn.co.uk (Michael Hardy)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:28:52 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1993Jan11.125444.15196@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.112017.2946@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl>, cazander%serigate@phcoms.seri.philips.nl (Koos Cazander) writes:
>|> Barbara Zayas (bjz@sei.cmu.edu) wrote:
>|> 
>|> : I've been using keyboard shortcuts for years and this one is
>|> : new to me (it's a GREAT shortcut, incidentally).
>|> 
>|> : I've found that some of the keyboard shortcuts aren't
>|> : mentioned in the FM documentation.  In an effort to have one,
>|> : comprehensive listing of shortcuts ... if you have
>|> : interesting keyboard shortcuts that aren't listed in the
>|> : reference or users manuals, please send them to me.  I will
>|> : pull all of these together into a file and place it in our
>|> : anonymous ftp server if anyone's interested.
>|> 
>|> You can find them in the file $FMHOME/docs/QuickRef.doc
>
>The file is present, yes, but unless I missed it, the CTRL-0
>(zero) option isn't listed there.  
>
>This makes me wonder just how many undocumented keyboard
>commands exist...
>
>If you've got keyboard shortcuts **THAT ARE NOT LISTED IN THE
>FM DOCUMENTATION** send them to me.

Two other files that are worth looking at are:

   $FMHOME/.fminit2.0/fm_commands.h
   $FMHOME/.fminit2.0/english/kbmap

(This is on FrameMaker International v.3.0 for SunView; filenames may differ
for your version.)

The former lists the command codes used in keyboard mapping files, together
with the shortcuts used to invoke many of them. Some of the commands here
seem to be inaccessible from FrameMaker (e.g. highlighting backwards), but
my guess is that you could get at them by making your own kbmap file. Of
course, the commands may be unused because they are unimplemented, buggy, or
unsupported; use at your own risk.

The latter defines all the keyboard mappings set up by FrameMaker, and is
probably the nearest there is to a definitive list of mappings for a
particular version of FrameMaker.

- Michael J Hardy

  Technical Publications    Email:      mhardy@acorn.co.uk
  Acorn Computers Ltd       Telephone:  +44 223 254352
  Cambridge TechnoPark      Fax:        +44 223 254270
  645 Newmarket Road        Telex:      817875 ACORN G
  Cambridge CB5 8PB
  England                   Disclaimer: All opinions are my own, not Acorn's
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.editors
From: ktatenen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Krishna Tateneni)
Subject: Pin Printers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:35:58 GMT


My friend Bob's printer broke down and he had to buy a new one. I was
allegedly helping him select one, when he popped this rather weird
question: Why do they have 9-pin and 24-pin printers, but not 18 or
20-pin printers?

I'm at a loss here. I think the 9 pins were probably the minimum
needed to produce decent quality text. But why 24 rather than 18 or 20
or even 22?

If you have an answer to this question, I'm curious to hear about
it... please respond to tateneni.1@osu.edu

I appreciate your help...

krishna
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: koenker@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Koenker)
Subject: Re: Oxford - Dictionaries
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:17:03 GMT

Here at the U. of Illinois the OED is accessable through the network using
software written locally and it is absolutely terrific.  My understanding
is that this is available under license elsewhere.  Here the software is
called oed2.

Roger Koenker
Department of Economics

PS.  I don't know about other dictionaries, but would like to.


Newsgroups: comp.text,misc.writing
From: zz@unislc.uucp (Garry Blake)
Subject: Effects of Poor Paper Quality
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Need info on how paper quality effects users' attitudes toward product.
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:17:05 GMT
Keywords: paper, quality, stock

To save money, our corporate printing operation has specified
the use of very low-quality paper stock in our technical manuals. 
The paper is very thin, and not at all opaque. Print from the
back side of each page is clearly visible on the front side.
Our cover stock is also flimsy, and we practically need a special
dispensation to print in color - but that's another matter.

I'm leading a local quality-improvement team, and we'd like to
change to a better paper. We're convinced it would improve our
products' image. It's hard to have confidence in a product when
the manual looks like crap, right?

Well, the corporate folks won't budge. They say we need hard data
to prove that paper makes a difference. So, I appeal to the net;
do you folks know of any study that correlates user satisfaction
or product confidence with paper quality? Failing that, does anyone
have a pithy quotation from some kind of expert that we could use
as ammunition?

Xref: sparky comp.text:1554 news.answers:5157
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.text.tex
From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: TeX and "Point" definition.
Followup-To: comp.text.tex,comp.text
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:35:39 GMT

Dave Kruger (dak@hparc0.aus.hp.com) wrote:
: Page 57 of the TeXbook says the following:

:     pt  point
:     pc  pica (1 pc = 12 pt)
:     in  inch (1 in = 72.27 pt)
:     bp  big point (72 bp = 1 in)
:     . . .
:     sp  scaled point (65536 sp = 1 pt)

: Don't ask me what (or what use) a scaled point is.

1sp is the smallest measurement that TeX can use. Internally, I think,
all measurements are done in terms of sp's. (another way of looking
at it is that all measurements are done in pts with a fixed point
representation using 16 bits of fraction).

1sp *is* useful sometimes when you need something to be different from
0pt but not visibly so! i.e. giving a font a slant of 1sp makes
LaTeX think that it is an italic font when using \em - this can
sometimes be useful.

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                New Year Resolution for 1993: Start using capital letters.
From: kgantz@cup.portal.com (Ken H Gantz)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: What's this thing called...?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:05:05 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Does anyone know if there's a technical name for the
rectangular box, in most magazines, that lists things like
the editors' names, subscription info., who to contact
for advertising, etc.?
 
kgantz@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: vvsvdoc@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHAEL SEESE)
Subject: Re: That thing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:08 EST  

It's called the ``masthead.'' 

Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: weiss@cs.wm.edu (David W. Weiss)
Subject: IS the format of Quark files available?
Organization: The College of William and Mary
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:36:08 GMT



Hello,

Does anyone know how I could get the format for
a Quark file?

Thanks,
Dave
weiss@cs.wm.edu
From: djg@phoenix.genrad.com (Deborah J. Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: What's this thing called...?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:20:32 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix.genrad.com

In article <73388@cup.portal.com> kgantz@cup.portal.com (Ken H Gantz) writes:
>Does anyone know if there's a technical name for the
>rectangular box, in most magazines, that lists things like
>the editors' names, subscription info., who to contact
>for advertising, etc.?
> 
>kgantz@cup.portal.com

According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, masthead is defined as:

2. a) the printed matter in a newspaper or periodical that gives the
      title and pertinent details of ownership, advertising rates, and
      subscription rates.

2. b) the name of the newspaper displayed on the top of the first page

So, "masthead" is it.

deb
(djg@genrad.com)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: buccb@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Quark Xpress Free Extensions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:55:42 GMT

	The Quark Xpress Free Extensions are available on Compuserve.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to Compuserve. Are they on any 
ftp sites? I would use archie, but I don't know what files to look 
for.

-- 
               Carlos D. Butler, buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu
     President of Butler Services--DTP, typing, and information gathering
    Champaign, IL      (217) 359-7632 Home	     (217) 373-4781 Pager
          "People often condescend what they fail to comprehend...
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: andrea@hatch.socal.com (Andrea Malone)
Subject: For Sale: 1000 dpi laser printer
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail. Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:25:16 GMT

I'm selling my LaserMAX 1000 laser printer. Includes NuBus card for
Macintosh and a large font library.

$6500 or best offer -- willing to sell for $5000 with original 135 fonts.

I'm in a hurry, so please contact me with an offer soon!
-- 
Andrea Malone              Residence: (310) 390-2986
malone@inference.com       Inference: (310) 322-5004 x187
andrea@hatch.socal.com     LaserSet : (310) 390-7959
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: larryhow@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Forms processing
Originator: larryhow@larryhow.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:01:42 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin



What is the best solution for processing order forms in a PC environment?

Scanning hardware: a IBM-PC compatible with an HP-IIc scanner.

Is the best approach?

   a) use an OCR program (which one?) and setup templates
   b) a dedicated form processing application (does one exist?)
   c) manually type the information in?
   d) something else

How should the form be structured to make it easily read?
(i.e. Fill in the blank, circle number,..)

The order form may also contain an image.

Is there a program which can handle both, form processing & image
storage/enhancement or should these be broken into 2 steps?
From: william@chumley.UUCP (Bill Buhnerkempe)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Panasonic 2321 - Driver Needed
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:45:52 GMT
Organization: Responsive Designs

Printer driver needed to make use of color features of 
Panasonic 2321 24 Pin Color printer.

If anyone has a driver, or can give me information on
sources where such might be located.

Thanks in advance for any help in this matter.

William
----
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lll-winken!chumley!woodowl!william
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: buccb@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: Finding Microsoft Pub Clipart or Fonts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:48:43 GMT

In a previous episode on comp.text.desktop,
sacks@panther.mot.com (Dennis Sacks) drops complete science:

>Does anyone know of clipart and fonts for Microsoft Publisher?
>I tried searching on archie without luck.

	Doesn't Microsoft Publisher use EPS clipart?

-- 
               Carlos D. Butler, buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu
     President of Butler Services--DTP, typing, and information gathering
    Champaign, IL      (217) 359-7632 Home	     (217) 373-4781 Pager
          "People often condescend what they fail to comprehend...
From: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Victor)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Any quickie recommendations for PC Desktop Publishing?
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:12:05 GMT
Reply-To: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Victor)
Distribution: na
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Does anyone out there have any recommendations as far as a mid-range DTP
programs out for PC's?  My basic uses would be cassette/CD cover art for
independent albums, so good graphics behavior would be desired.

I've heard of some programs (Pagemaker, Framemaker, Ventura Publisher, 
etc.), but I don't have any idea if these programs are overkill, 
underkill roadkill, or what!

Also, is there a FAQ for this group?  Thanks for any help!!

-David Victor
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: sacks@panther.mot.com (Dennis Sacks)
Subject: Finding Microsoft Pub Clipart or Fonts
Organization: Info Enterprises
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:29:34 GMT

Does anyone know of clipart and fonts for Microsoft Publisher?
I tried searching on archie without luck.

--
Dennis Sacks                        
    is sacks@panther.mot.com         
         at Info Enterprises
From: wplan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mary Zoccola)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Pagemaker and Quark
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:11:52 GMT
Reply-To: wplan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mary Zoccola)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Someone has told me that it is possible to have a Pagemaker publication
be read by Quark and vice versa.  Does anyone know how to do this?

Please let me know.

Mary Zoccola
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