HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Objects falling from vehicles
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:48:47 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

A few years ago, A dump truck traveling at about 45 MPH "dropped"
a 5 foot diameter boulder out of its back end, which made mincemeat
out of our tank Chevy Suburban traveling at 35 MPH in the opposite
direction.

I am Writing to tell about it, so thats good. :)

Regards,

Dave.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Does a cop need to show you the RADAR reading?
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:29:59 GMT

In article <1735@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (Dave Marshall) writes:
>
>My experience at home was in direct opposition to the time I got pulled
>over on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.  

Heh...  I was driving back here to Maryland from North Haven, CT,
today (Monday.)

(Left at 0400 to beat the traffic.  It worked.  Yippee. 8^)

There was a Jersey Trooper "taking pictures" of northbound traffic
just over the bridge on the Jersey side.  He was using some
cheap nuclear powered X band gun.  My detector had him for 
about 300 miles. 8^)  Gotta watch out in Delaware, though, as
you discovered.  8^(


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jimb@access.digex.com  | (Cage) 1991 323se     ZCP-710   |     Comus Road
Merry Land (MD) U.S.A. | (Bike) 1986 GSXR750    (sold)   |     ClarksBURG
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But of course, I have three eyes.  I have clairvoyant paranoia.  -King Missile
Subject:  where to by Whistler Radar Detector
From:  walko@backyard (Leslie A. Walko)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology, Morristown, NJ
Reply-To:  walko@bellcore.com
X-Gateway: ALEX.ims.bellcore.com
Date:  Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:45:42 EDT
To:  news-post@ctt.bellcore.com
Message-ID: <1992Sep14.205346.6621@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com>
Are there any dealers for Whistler Radar Detectors in 
Northern New Jersey?  If you know of any, could you please mail
me directly.

Thank you very much,

	--Leslie

p.s. I'd like to buy a Whistler 5000SE since the Escort 3100 I
have gives too many false alarms.
	
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Leslie A. Walko                       |  Internet: walko@bellcore.com		
Bell Communications Research          |  uucp:  ...!bellcore!backyard!walko
444 Hoes Lane, Room RRC 4C-734        |  Phone:    908/699-2726
Piscataway, NJ 08854, USA.            |  Fax  :	   908/336-2836


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: 4x4  vs  4x2  ???
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:10:03 GMT

In article <_#rnc2.garyd@netcom.com> garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz) writes:
>I'm considering buying a pick up truck.  I'll be using it in snow country
>30% of the time.
>Obviously, a 4 x 4 gives me more traction in bad weather.  But how much?

You won't believe it until you have experienced driving a 4x4 in the snow.
Note however, that a 4x4 has no better adhesion than a 4x2 in terms of
braking and cornering.  As another poster mentioned, that's why there
are more 4x4 accidents when it snows...too many people equate the
greater ability to accelerate on snow with an expected greater ability
to stop also.  Stopping ability on snow for a 4x4 is no different than
a 4x2.

>Is it really worth the lower gas mileage, the x-tra cash up front to get 
>a 4 x 4 version of a pick up, versus say, the 4 x 2 version with 
>heavy sand bags in the bed during bad weather?

How much different is the gas mileage for the model you are
considering?  Most of the time you'd be in 4x2 mode anyway, so other
than some extra weight I can't think of what the major impact on
gas mileage would be for the same vehicle in 4x4 vs one that has no
4x4 capability.  Sand bags....you really want that grief?

>Does going to 4 x 4 pretty much mean that I have to go to a 6 cylinder
>from the 4 cylinder that I am considering?

I've owner a 1988 4cyl Isuzu and have had no problems nor would I
see any reason to go to a 6cyl unless you want a lot more 
acceleration ability, etc.  Modern 4cyl engines are pretty
powerful in their own.

If you have the prospect of driving 30% of the time in snow covered
roads, buy the 4x4.  You'll wonder how you ever got along without it.
You'll be able to drive through significantly deeper snow than any
4x2, even one with sandbags.

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
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Morristown, NJ             email via UUCP      bcr!dancer!whs70
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Objects falling from vehicles
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:11:08 GMT

In article <JAK.92Sep2032227@bimini.cs.brown.edu> jak@cs.brown.edu writes:
>A number of years ago I was driving my car in France with a windsurfer
>strapped to the roof when the front strap broke.  The windsurfer was
>ripped from the roof, bounced on its tail just behind my car, and
>bounced *over* the car behind me.  Ironically, had she not been driving
>closer to me than she ought, she would probably have been hit by it, or
>at least run over it.  It taught me how much force gets exerted on those
>things...

Oh, that makes me feel REALLY secure.  8^)  I windsurf, too.  Did you
have a "real" windsurfing rack?  I have a Thule.  I also put the board
upside down and nose first.  Not sure if it makes any difference.  I'd 
hate to loose my board like that.  Yikes.

Cheers

-- 
jimb@access.digex.com  | (Cage) 1991 323se     ZCP-710   |     Comus Road
Merry Land (MD) U.S.A. | (Bike) 1986 GSXR750    (sold)   |     ClarksBURG
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But of course, I have three eyes.  I have clairvoyant paranoia.  -King Missile
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgate
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 09:47:36 EDT
Organization: Hurts rent-a-dungeon, Inc.

un023331@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

> A cop stopped me said I was tailgateing him, but I didn't think I was. I was 
> yelled at and threatened with a ticket. I thought he was just in a bad mood
> and tried to find somebody to yell at, I wonder if he could really give me a 
> ticket, and if the court will uphold him.

A) Sounds like he was in a bad mood.
B) Yes, he can give you a ticket.
C) The court is likely to believe him.
From: walko%backyard@vttux1.vtt.fi (Leslie A. Walko)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: where to by Whistler Radar Detector
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:45:42 GMT
Reply-To: walko@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore - Information Technology, Morristown, NJ
X-Gateway: ALEX.ims.bellcore.com
To:  news-post@ctt.bellcore.com



Are there any dealers for Whistler Radar Detectors in 
Northern New Jersey?  If you know of any, could you please mail
me directly.

Thank you very much,

	--Leslie

p.s. I'd like to buy a Whistler 5000SE since the Escort 3100 I
have gives too many false alarms.
	
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Leslie A. Walko                       |  Internet: walko@bellcore.com		
Bell Communications Research          |  uucp:  ...!bellcore!backyard!walko
444 Hoes Lane, Room RRC 4C-734        |  Phone:    908/699-2726
Piscataway, NJ 08854, USA.            |  Fax  :	   908/336-2836
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Does a cop need to show you the RADAR reading?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:29:52 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep4.141301.3262@tds213.uucp> wong@tds213.uucp (Freeman Wong)  
writes:

> I am wondering if the cop is required to do a little bit more such as
> showing my friend the RADAR reading.  Any comment on the legality of
> the cops procedure?

In California, in order to issue a citation, the speed must still be
displayed on the radar gun.  Thus, if the motorists asks to see the speed
on the gun and there is none showing, then the officer has no case and
the motorist is free to go.  However, the officer is not required to show
the speed, but only on request.  If the motorist does not ask to see the
reading on the gun and he decides to contest the ticket, what proof does
he have that he wasn't speeding.  The officer's alledged proof is the
reading on the radar gun.  And who's the judge going to believe?

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Summary: self-centeredness
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:35:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

> >     Yes, I gain an advantage over the unthinking masses who pulled
> >into the unblocked lane at the first sign, without looking at what the
> >traffic was actually doing. I don't feel any guilt in doing this - if
> >the other drivers lack common sense I feel no need to bring myself
> >down to their level.
> 
> >     If you are waiting near the end of a long line at the
> >supermarket, and you notice that a new clerk has arrived and is about
> >to open the next register, do you stay in line, or do you move over?
> >
> >							Peter Trei
> >							ptrei@Mitre.org

How about this...

I stay in the long line. I know that I'll likely get thru
faster, if I dive into the dying lane, and ask someone to
be nice. I don't do it, because I know it is one of the
causes of the backup in the first place, and I think people
who do this are some of the biggest a$%holes on the face
of the earth.

Your analogy about the supermarket is simply a failure of
logic. The analogue to what you suggest would be that you
get into the dying lane at 5 minutes until 5:00, because
you know the road crew will be pulling the merge barriers
aside any second now, opening up another lane for service.
This could be thought of as thinking ahead.

Your analogy would be something like this:

I can see that the only operational checkout stand is backed
up halfway down the aisle across from it. Using my superior
powers of intellect, I go to the next aisle over, and walk
my buggy up to the only functional checkout stand, beside the
next person actually waiting in line. I then look over to that
person, who has been waiting patiently in line, and ask "Do
you mind if I cut in?". This could be thought of as being a
d*ck with ears.

The difference between the supermarket and driving is that
someone can wring your neck for behaving like a dweeb in
the supermarket, whereas nobody can really get to you while
driving, unless they want to endanger themselves and those
around them who had nothing to do with your actions.

-- Mike

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My opinion - Not my employer's
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:13:20 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <BuF1ot.4Kn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>Seriously, I read all of that post, and tam@ocgy struck me as a very
>reasonable and sensible driver.

"reasonable and sensible"
"reasonable and sensible"
"reasonable and sensible"
"reasonable and sensible"
"reasonable and sensible"

"Reasonable and sensible" == "plodding and slow". Nothing else. The asleep-
at-the-wheel contingent takes to the road.

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:54:27 GMT

In article <26219@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>Maybe. Unless he chooses to do so while you're fiddling with the 
>buttons on the radio.

Does this sort of thing scare the hell out of anybody else when they're 
a passenger in a car who's driver is doing it?  I.E., *you* see the 
line of stopped cars ahead, and *your* driver has his/her attention
(eyes) on something inside the car?  "Uh, Joe?  Joe?!  JOE!!"  "Huh?  Oh.
Scccreeeeech."  X^(

I guess some people's brains can't get into that "know where
everything is without looking" mode.  Sigh.
-- 
jimb@access.digex.com  | (Cage) 1991 323se     ZCP-710   |     Comus Road
Merry Land (MD) U.S.A. | (Bike) 1986 GSXR750    (sold)   |     ClarksBURG
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But of course, I have three eyes.  I have clairvoyant paranoia.  -King Missile
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tam@eel.ocgy.ubc.ca (Joe Tam)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Reply-To: tam@ocgy.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:11:13 GMT

kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.211346.8659@unixg.ubc.ca> tam@ocgy.ubc.ca writes:
>>I sometimes drive slowly to bait other drivers into passing me....
>
>Well! It's so nice when the traffic jerks ID themselves.
>
>I wish we could standardize on a bumper sticker for these kinds of folks.

Then as a followup to a followup of this, writes:

>"Reasonable and sensible" == "plodding and slow". Nothing else. The asleep-
>at-the-wheel contingent takes to the road.


Firstly, let me clarify my statement that I "bait other drivers to pass
me." This sounds too aggressive a term for what I really do, which is
that I drive at a slower pace than most people feel comfortable with
(usually at the speed limit) knowing that people will pass me on a TWO
LANE road, thus tripping any traffic signal sensors and letting me
through without stopping.  My aim is not to try to annoy anybody or
test other drivers' patience, but merely to take advantage of the
behavior that most drivers go at a preferred cruising speed.

On a one lane road with people stacked up behind me, I am not
insensitive to the people behind me.  If I'm not timing lights, I just
drive at the speed expected of me.  However, when I'm timing lights, I
can sympathize with the cars behind me.  I realize from their point of
view that my driving is erratic (slow to 40 kph pace, speed up to 60
kph, slow down, etc) and this confuses the people behind me.  If they
only look down the road past my car, however, they will realize that
accelerating to a stoplight is pointless.  Not many people look that
far.  Consequently, they think I'm a clueless driver ("jerk") whose got
nothing better to do than to slow them down.  Nothing could be farther
from the truth.

As for the statement, "Reasonable and sensible = plodding and slow",
this is categorically false.  To put it another way, would you rather I
drive "unreasonably" and "without common sense"?  Driving significantly
below the flow of traffic and having annoyed drivers zooming past me to
cut me off does not constitute safe and defensive driving in my book.
I have no reservations about going above the speed limit if it is in my
interest to do so (i.e. safe and saves me time).

I also take exception to your implications that defensive driving means
being asleep at the wheel.  I can't possibly drive the way I do without
being cognizant of the things going on around me.  You may be "awake"
because you're so full of adrenaline from zipping in and out of traffic,
but I'm no less aware just because I follow prudent driving practices.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:51:43 GMT

lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>In article <jimf.715959058@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
> > That's a bit hard to determine in a multicar pileup.  Consider the
> > extreme case where you come to a complete stop before the pileup in
> > front of you, then you get hit hard from behind and it pushes your car
> > into the pileup.
> > 
> > Clearly you were not at fault even though your car "caused" damage to
> > the car in front of you.

>Well, it's not that clear.  If you had been driving more defensively
>and had left more distance in front of you, you could have stopped
>less aggressively or, after stopping and seeing the car behind you
>approaching more quickly than you'd like, moved forward to give that
>car more room to stop.

I was assuming that you just barely made the stop, but it's not an
important point.  If the car that hit you couldn't stop in the
distance he left between himself and you, he's at fault (barring
really unusual circumstances).  While I agree with you that it's smart
to drive extra defensively, that's independent of who's at fault
should an accident occur.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Power sources for radar dectectors
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:58:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: radar detectors

In article <3skPqB3w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>
>All the cars I've owned have had a spade lug available on the fuse block
>for this purpose. It's a good idea to use a fuse (1a, mostly) in the
>actual wiring to the detector.

Hmm.  I'm not disputing you, just curious:  Why is it a good idea to
put a fuse on the wiring itself if you wire to the fuse block (as
opposed to the battery)?


-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jsc52962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Curtis)
Subject: Re: Park anywhere - was Tailgaters abound!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:31:38 GMT

In article <BuL11F.Bwy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
}I submit a counter-proposal: that they be rechristened "Yo-Officer-
}Here-I-am-Illegally-Parked-Please-Give-Me-A-Ticket Lights."
}
}Perhaps the people who park this way believe that by turning on their
}hazard lights any policeman or meter maid will assume that the car is
}broken down and will not give them a ticket for their illegal parking
}job. Although I'm not a cop nor am I a meter maid, I strongly suspect
}that the enforcers are wise to this by now and the flashing lights only
}draw their attention more quickly.

Actually, in my town, it's an accepted practice that if you only have
a minute or two of business to do somewhere, your hazards can be used
to signify that fact, and the cops won't ticket you.  I once had to
stop by a building for about three minutes, so I pulled into one of
the spots, and saw that the meter was quarters-only, and decided to
just put my hazards on.  A cop was a few spots in front of me, and was
just pulling out when I pulled in.  He saw me put the hazards on and
pulled back into his spot.  When I came back out of the building a few
minutes later, he left.  Next time, I'll wait inside to see how long
he'll wait for me to come out before giving me a ticket..  B^)

Jeff
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:30:58 GMT

jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>I think, in Germany, the *last* guy to try and fuse his car to the
>car in front of him is responisble for ALL damage to ALL cars.
>I think.  Somebody said that on the net quite a while ago.

>In the States, I'd assume each driver pays for the damage his car causes.

That's a bit hard to determine in a multicar pileup.  Consider the
extreme case where you come to a complete stop before the pileup in
front of you, then you get hit hard from behind and it pushes your car
into the pileup.

Clearly you were not at fault even though your car "caused" damage to
the car in front of you.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Does a cop need to show you the RADAR
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:02:11 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Labs

In article 22263@galaxy.ucr.edu, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep4.141301.3262@tds213.uucp> wong@tds213.uucp (Freeman Wong)  
|>writes:
|>
|>> I am wondering if the cop is required to do a little bit more such as
|>> showing my friend the RADAR reading.  Any comment on the legality of
|>> the cops procedure?
|>
|>In California, in order to issue a citation, the speed must still be
|>displayed on the radar gun.  Thus, if the motorists asks to see the speed
|>on the gun and there is none showing, then the officer has no case and
|>the motorist is free to go.  However, the officer is not required to show
|>the speed, but only on request.  If the motorist does not ask to see the
|>reading on the gun and he decides to contest the ticket, what proof does
|>he have that he wasn't speeding.  The officer's alledged proof is the
|>reading on the radar gun.  And who's the judge going to believe?
|>

In Michigan, state law prohibits the use of radar guns that display a stored
reading. At least that was what both the officer and magistrate told
me when I was stopped about two years ago. 

Supposedly, the officer watching the display will ignore brief, inaccurate
readings. But I am unconvinced.


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	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.