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Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nnguyen@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Nguyen Nguyen)
Subject: Re: VIETCONG vs. TAUCONG
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:06:44 GMT

Minh Lang <minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov> writes:

>In article <8142@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> Khanh V. Nguyen,
>khanh@hougen.seas.ucla.edu writes:
>>Recently, there is an intense conflict between VN and The Red China over
>>the Truong Sa islands. If China invades VN, which side will you take ? 
>>Will you support the Communist Vietnam to fight against China, or you
>just
>>sit here and see ?
>>Thanks in advance for your opinions.

>I would sit there and watch. It's better for the world if they
>kept killing each other until they're all gone...Communist is
>communist, no matter who they are...

You guys seem to be missing the point.  When Red China invades Vietnam,
it's because it wants to take land from Vietnam, not because it wants
to get rid of the Communist regime in Vietnam.  I'd never condon such
action.  I always hate the Chinese especially now when they start to
be more aggressive towards their Asian neighboors.  Look at what China
has done to Tibet.  The Chinese (well, at least their government) always
think the land surrounding its territory which beyond reasonable doubt
belong to other countries, belongs to them.  This attitute is no 
different from the Japanese's attitute towards the Korea.  

If war breaks out, there is no doubt that I will do what I can to help
Vietnam defeat the Chinese aggressor.  Please don't be mistaken that I
condon the Communist regime in Vietnam.  In the long run, the Communist
all over the world will be crumbled, but once our mother land is lost
it will be lost forever.  The only way to get it back is by the blood of our
people. 

Nguyen Nguyen

BTW:  I really think that Vietnam will see the light at the end of the turnel
      in a very near future.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca (H.H. Nguyen)
Subject: [MISC] Re: ca^u hoi?
Organization:  Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:23:39 GMT

In article <1acf45INNeo2@male.EBay.Sun.COM> hodo@eb5ts2.EBay.Sun.COM (Hoang Doan) writes:
>Hoang` co' ca^u hoi? go'i? -de^n' cac' AnhChi.
>   
>o'? trong GiaDi`nh Chame thu'o'`ng thu'o'ng con cai'
> 
>The^' nhu'ng khi con cai' khon^ lo'n' ro^i` Ngu'o'i` Trai
>
>va` Ngu'o'i` gai' o'? trong hai Trai va` gai' ChaMe. -du'o'c.
>
>nho'` nhie^u` nha^t' va` co' hie^u' thoa? nha^t'????
>
>	Va^.y cac' anh cac' chi. giai? -dap' gium` Hoang` nha
>
>Nhu'~ng giai? -dap' la` su'. hie^u? bie^t'
>
>va` ne^u cao tinh` thu'o'ng ye^u cha me cha(m soc'
>
>      ho^i` con` ma(.c qua^`n thung? -dit'.
>Co' ca^u nhu' sau:
>
>Co^ng cha nhu' nui' thai' so'n nghia~ me nhu' nu'o'c' trong
>
>nguo^`n chay? ra mo^.t long` tho'` me. kinh' cha cho tron. 
>
>      chu'~ hie^u' mo'i' la` -dao. con.
>
>
>Thi` anh chi. co' ai giai? dap' nguoi` con co' hie^u' thao? nhie^u` 
>la` la`....?????
>
>tha^n chao`
> 
>Hoang`

	
	Greetings,

	I am not sure if I can answer your question, but what I have
observed during my stay in Canada is old folks depend on the savings
previously accumulated, payments from pension plans
(government's or private companies'), government's health plan or 
sometimes even social welfare system.  The children's role has gradually
reduced to moral support, and less and less financial support, if any
at all.

	This is probably prevalent in the U.S. as well.

	Now, depending on how you look at it, the above situation
may look acceptable or disgusting to you, and I am not going to
state my personal preference.

	How this arrangement will reconcile with the Vietnamese
concept, and practice of 'hieu thao' is beyond the scope of my posting :-))

	Regards,
	H.H. Nguyen
From: do#m#_thanh@engmsmail.apple.com. (Thanh Do)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: testing
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:14:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.vietnamese
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Just testing, please ignore 

Thanh Do
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: qpham@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quynh Ngoc Pham)
Subject: Re: Tho+ --- Va.n Ly' Tha`nh Sa^`u
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:31:26 GMT

In <1992Sep25.181215.16518@engage.pko.dec.com> lethien@STRATA.enet.dec.com (NoLordShallStandBeforeMyself,IamDeicide) writes:

...deleted ...

>		Say su+a nghi~ cu~ng hu+ ddo+`i
>		Hu+ tho+`i hu+ va^.y, say tho+`i cu+' say
>		Tro+`i say tro+`i cu~ng ddo? gay
>		-Da^'t say dda^'t cu~ng la(n quay ai cu+o+`i ?
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		Tui say tho+ cu~ng la(n quay ai cu+o+`i ?

Ddu'ng kho^ng hi? HTC Jr ??
		
>					-Tan -D NKH-


	Mo^.t chai , chu+~ vie^'t nghie^ng nghie^ng
   Hai chai , con ma('t ke^n ke^n gia^.n ddo+`i
	Ba chai , he^'t bie^'t ddu+'ng ngo^`i
   Bo^'n chai , la.i muo^'n la`m tho+ ta(.ng ngu+o+`i
	Na(m chai .... 


Hi` hi` ... ai tie^'p dzo^ du`m ddi ...  Tui ddi kie^'m va`i chai
la`m thu+? coi xi~n no' ra ma^`n ra(ng !!

Mai mo^'t ra tru+o+`ng ma` kie^'m kho^ng ra job, do.n nha` dde^'n ga^`n
cho^~ HTC Jr ba'n beer cu~ng ddu? la`m gia`u ro^`i 

Bye bye
Have fun vo+'i ma^'y chai beer nha HTC Jr

NQ
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: hxn1951@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: [Nha.c] Em Dde.p Nhu* Mo*
Reply-To: hxn1951@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:27:29 GMT

I agree with you opinion about life:
The fact about life is just like a reflection of the mirror
when you give your smile to it you will see their smile back
when you give them your dirty look you will see it dirty look.
The conclusion is that if you be nice to people, they will be
nice to. It work most of the time. That is what I see in life .
From: JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU (** Tua~'n **)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: ** WANT TO GET PAID TO GO TO VN?  **
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: JFT%NCCIBM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU

Hi everyone!

  The Washington State National Guard is looking for
Vietnamese Linguists.  This is like the Reserves you
have to go one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the
summer.  Current members of the unit have made trips
to VIetnam to work for the US government with the
POW/MIA issue.  The trips usually last 45 - 90 days
with no more than 30 days in VN, the rest of the
time you are in Bangkok.

  If you know someone intersted in joining this kind
of unit, let me know.  People who were previously in
the US military or are currently in the military are
of prime interest.

 John (or Tua~'n)
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From: daudo@bcars201.bnr.ca (Dau Do)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: -Da.i na'o giang ho6`
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:10:49 GMT
Reply-To: daudo@bcars201.bnr.ca (Dau Do)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <5290@rosie.NeXT.COM>, vnguyen@badline2.next.com (Vincent Nguyen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.044137.18636@ultb.isc.rit.edu> spr9279@ritvax.isc.rit.edu  
>writes:
>> 
>> 	-DKDQM xin cha`o ta^'t ca? ca'c vi. ba(``ng hu+~u tre^n giang ho^`SCV.
>> -Da~ tu+` la^u -DKDQM Ta. Va^n Nha.c na^`y ma~i lo luye^.n kie^'m pha'p ne^n
>> kho^ng co' nhie^`u thi` gio+` -de^? ma` -da`m lua^.n cu`ng vo+'i qui' vi.  
>Va^.y
>> mong ca'c vi ba(`ng hu+~u bo? qua cho....
>> Tru+o+'c khi xuo^'ng nu'i, su+ phu. cu?a ta.i ha. co' ho?i mo^.t ca^u :
>> 
>> "Anh hu`ng ta.o tho+`i the^' hay tho+`i the^' ta.o anh hu`ng?"Ta.i ha. nghi~
>> kho^ng ra ca^u tra? lo+`i .. va^.y co' ba(~ng hu+~u na`o tre^n cho^'n giang
>> ho^` vui lo`ng giu'p cho ta.i ha. kho^ng?
>> Tha`nh tha^.t ca?m o+n tru+o+'c...
>> Ki'nk cha`o
>> -DKDQM
>>  
>
>  Dda~ la^u la('m ro^`i, ba^`n ta(ng giu'p su+ phu. luye^.n mo^.t bao? bo^'i  
>Vo` La^m Chi Bao? dde^? tra^'n a'p ye^u ma ta` dda.o ; Tuy vie^.c chu+a  
>xong,nhu+ng o+? chu`a Thie^'u La^m na`y, sa'ng luye^.n co^ng, to^'i la.i pha?i  
>tu.ng king , kie^ng cu+~...cha'n qua',ne^n ba^`n ta(ng tro^'n  su+ phu. ha.  
>so+n ,chu du thie^n ha. cho thoa? chi' tang bo^`ng.Nay la.i ga(.p thi' chu?,  
>qua? la` duye^n so^'.
>  Ca^u ho?i cu?a thi' chu? dda(.t ra tuy de^~ ma` kho',tuy kho' ma` ra^'t  
>de^~.Nga`y xu+a khi Nhu+'t Ddang Dda.i Su+ be^n Dda.i Ly' co' qua Trung  
>Nguye^n. Dda.i su+ Nha^'t Dda(ng co' ca^`m mo^.t tra'i tru+'ng vi.t lo^.n va`  
>ho?i Tie^?u Long Nu+~ ra(`ng: " Thi' chu? co' the^? cho bie^'t qua? tru+'ng  
>vi.t lo^.n co' tru+o+'c  hay con ga` co' tru+o+'c". Ca^u chuye^.n ddo' dde^'n

Hi` hi` ... sa?i nho? na`y tro^'n chu`a ddi cho+i he' ... :-)))
ddi ve^` ho.c ho?i cu?a su+ phu+ ngu+o+i la.i ddi ... con ga` la`m sao ma` dde?
ra tru+'ng vi.t ddu+o+.c ... ma` tru+'ng vi.t la`m sao ma` no+? ra con ga` ddu+o+.c !
... hi` hi` ne^'u ngu+o+i co' muo^'n ta no'i giu'p dde^? kho?i bi. u'p ma(.t va`o
tu+o+`ng tu.ng kinh ba?y la^`n ba?y bo^'n mu+o+i chi'n nga`y thi` gu+?i cho ta ma^'y
chai ru+o+.i dde^' ... :-)

Con Ca' Ma^.p

>nay va^~n ddu+o+.c lu+u truye^`n trong gio+'i giang ho^` (Kho^ng tin thi` xem  
>bi' ca^'p Tha^`n Ddie^u Dda.i Hie^.p cu?a HK). Cu~ng va^.y, su+ phu. cu?a ba^`n  
>ta(ng co" da.y " Co' sa('c cu~ng nhu+ la` vo^ sa('c va` vo^ sa('c cu~ng nhu+  
>la` co' sa('c, hoa(.c Co' cu~ng la` kho^ng , kho^ng cu~ng la` co' va^.y".  
>(To+'i nay ba^`n ta(ng cu~ng kho^ng hie^?u la` co' layoff hay kho^ng nu+~a)
>  Kho^ng bie^'t ca^u tra? lo+`i cu?a ba^`n ta(ng co' giu'p thi' chu? ddu+o+.c  
>ti' na`o kho^ng va^.y.
>
>Vin-cent Tie^?u Su+
From: hoalekb@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (H.K.B.T)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Standings
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:42:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: hoalekb@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (H.K.B.T)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb4ts1.ebay.sun.com




Here are the NFL standings, as reproduced by the computer program.
===



                       AFC Standings


      AFC West          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Denver            4- 1- 0    3- 0- 0    1- 1- 0
      Kansas City       3- 2- 0    2- 0- 0    1- 2- 0
      L.A. Raiders      1- 4- 0    1- 1- 0    0- 3- 0
      San Diego         1- 4- 0    1- 2- 0    0- 2- 0
      Seattle           1- 4- 0    0- 2- 0    1- 2- 0


      AFC Central       Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Houston           3- 1- 0    2- 1- 0    1- 0- 0
      Pittsburgh        3- 1- 0    1- 0- 0    2- 1- 0
      Cincinnati        2- 2- 0    1- 1- 0    1- 1- 0
      Cleveland         1- 3- 0    0- 2- 0    1- 1- 0


      AFC East          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Miami             4- 0- 0    1- 0- 0    3- 0- 0
      Buffalo           4- 1- 0    2- 1- 0    2- 0- 0
      Indianapolis      2- 2- 0    1- 1- 0    1- 1- 0
      N.Y. Jets         1- 4- 0    1- 1- 0    0- 3- 0
      New England       0- 4- 0    0- 2- 0    0- 2- 0


                       NFC Standings


      NFC West          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      San Francisco     4- 1- 0    1- 1- 0    3- 0- 0
      New Orleans       3- 2- 0    1- 1- 0    2- 1- 0
      Atlanta           2- 3- 0    2- 1- 0    0- 2- 0
      L.A. Rams         2- 3- 0    2- 0- 0    0- 3- 0


      NFC Central       Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Minnesota         4- 1- 0    2- 0- 0    2- 1- 0
      Tampa Bay         3- 2- 0    2- 1- 0    1- 1- 0
      Green Bay         2- 3- 0    2- 1- 0    0- 2- 0
      Chicago           2- 3- 0    2- 1- 0    0- 2- 0
      Detroit           1- 4- 0    1- 2- 0    0- 2- 0


      NFC East          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Philadelphia      4- 0- 0    3- 0- 0    1- 0- 0
      Dallas            3- 1- 0    2- 0- 0    1- 1- 0
      Washington        2- 2- 0    2- 0- 0    0- 2- 0
      N.Y. Giants       1- 3- 0    0- 2- 0    1- 1- 0
      Phoenix           1- 3- 0    1- 1- 0    0- 2- 0



	Tue Oct 06 1992	
	H.K.B.T



Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: wlodek@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Wlodzimierz Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: TURKEY REVIVES SLAVE TRADE
Organization: Non-violent Europe
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:33:46 GMT
Summary: Not Poles 

hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren) writes:
>: briant@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:
>: >SOURCE: THE EUROPEAN 6-9 AUGUST 1992
>: > 
>: >Thousands of east Europeans desperate for hard currency are flocking to
>: >in modern day "slave markets". Europe's new slave workers are young
>: >Russians, Romanians and Poles illegally employed to work on construction
>: >sites in Istanbul.
>: >East European labourers earn less than Lre 30,000 (Ecu 3.2) [per day].
>  
>  + So you say so my friend, Andrzej- Your people the Poles from Poland
>  + earn 10 SEK=2 USD= 13,300 Lre in Sweden when they pick berries for
>  + the Swedish farmers- What about that? Is 13,300>30,000 then this
>  + is much "EXCLUSIVE" isn't? But Poles do come to Sweden to earn this 
>  + money so not woder they are in Turkey earning more.

This could be thruth in the former days, when Poland was a poor communistic
country. Now we are a still poor but capitalistic country. Hence the cost
of living and the incomes in Poland have increased drastically (approx. 5-15
times).  Andrzej Zaleski is right, if he writes:
   According to the latest statistical data, average worker salary
   in Poland in six main industrial branches amounted to around
   2.9 Mzl recently.
The average net salary is about 200 $, but this is not enough for the
living of course. The minimum social welfare last to 80 $.

I still agree with Andrzej Zaleski in following:
>: I sincerely doubt that any polish worker would agree to these
>: terms (90 USD per month in Turkey) these days.
Unless he was missinformed about the payment, I suggest.
The workers on construction sites earn in Poland much better than the average.
The lowest salaries are paid by the government in the education, medical care,
universities etc. 
But if someone wants more, why  should he go to Turkey if in Germany he can
easily earn 1000+ DM net. Come to Germany and see, how many construction
sites are there and that many polish firms are engaded in it.

W.Kasprzak
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:8670 soc.culture.greek:9342
From: sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Keywords: Apocalypse
Date: 25 Sep 92 19:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Sep25.162519.23934@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>> 
>> 		      66666     66666     66666
>> 		     6     6   6     6   6     6
>> 		     6         6         6
>> 		     666666    666666    666666
>> 		     6     6   6     6   6     6
>> 		     6     6   6     6   6     6
>> 		     6     6   6     6   6     6
>> 		      66666     66666     66666
>>
>
>Forgive my ignorance, but what does 666 imply? I have seen it on several
>occasions in reference to the end of the world, but I still cannot see
>any connection.

We will forgive your ignorance, as we forgive those who trespass against
 .... oops, turned to the wrong page. Anyway, it's from the bible, at the
very end, in the Apocalypse, which you always thought was a rock group.
You must have left bible school before they got that far.
"And the number of the Beast is 666, and so are the default File Permissions
in UNIX ...".

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@scri.fsu.edu
Thinking Machines Corporation
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute, B-186
Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052  (904) 644-4490
Posting from this address because the newsserver at TMC is stuck.
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Dividing Macedonia
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:48:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct5.123431.4803@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.colum
bia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>In article <5774.3244.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Micha
>el Polymenakos)  writes:
>>
>> Impossible. First of all, in its 170-year history as a modern state,
>>Greek troops have never entered an region that was not predominately
>>Greek (except perhaps Italy in 1945 and Korea in 1950, but that was very
>>different).
>
>All four of my grandparents would very strongly beg to differ.

They would be wrong.

Your hometown, the city you now call Izmir, was the predominantly Greek city
of Smyrna prior to 1922. Therefore, the landing of Greek troops there in May
1919 under a mandate from the Entente powers (Turkey fought on the side of
Germany in WWI) was not an invasion of a non-Greek region; if all four of your
grandparents would very strongly beg to differ, all four of your grandparents
would be wrong.

Mr. Polymenakos's statement is, however, technically wrong, for the Greek
Army did in fact enter not only predominantly Greek but also predominantly
Turkish areas of Asia Minor during the 1919-22 war. Greek troops reached to
within 35 miles of Ankara before turning back in September 1921; artillery
thunder could be heard in the Turkish capital. However, this penetration of
Turkish lands (Turkish since the late 12th century, after Myriokefalon in
1176 completed the Manzikert disaster of 1071; I'm not going to enter a
discussion on whether Turks should go back to Central Asia where they belong)
was only a military necessity, an attempt to enforce the Sevres treaty which
the kemalists refused to recognize and which was all Greece wanted. And this
treaty only gave Greece Eastern Thrace and Ionia, which were in fact
predominantly Greek regions.

Therefore, even though Mr. Polymenakos's statement is technically wrong, in
essence it is true; Greece has never invaded with the intent to annex a
non-Greek region.

QED.

>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

Dimitris Kouvatsos

-- 
------------------------    "Avnr Ellnv basileus Makedovwv"
+= Dimitris Kouvatsos *=    "[I am] Greek man king of the Macedonians"
<dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
------------------------                    -- Alexander III the Great
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Dividing Macedonia
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
>"According to US officials, Greece has informally agreed with Serbia
>to divide Macedonia. The republic is setting up frontier posts and

 Impossible. First of all, in its 170-year history as a modern state,
Greek troops have never entered an region that was not predominately
Greek (except perhaps Italy in 1945 and Korea in 1950, but that was very
different). Second, Greece formally gave up any rights to Vardar when
the population exchanges took place in 1913. As figures posted by Luben
Boyanov show, Greeks outnumbered Slavs in Monastir (Vardar) before 1913.
Since the population exchanges, no significant numbers of Greece remain
in Vardar, just as no significant numbers of Slavs remain in Macedonia.
It would be impractical for Greece to invade or occupy any portion of
Vardar.

 If there is one critisism that can be made of Athens, it is as follows:
Athens have made it clear that if Serbia/Albania/Bulgaria invade
Vardar, the Greeks will just sit there and watch. Whether that is
conductive towards peace can be disputed. But it is hard to blame the
Greeks for being somewhat unwilling to help Skopjie after all that
has happened in the past 12 months.

 Two years ago, the average Greek on the street would say "The Vardaris
are Christian Orthodox, and we must help them against Moslem Albania.
Today, Greece is signing economic and military co-operation treaties
with Albania, even agreeing to sell weapons to Albania. Last year,
Greece greeted the independence of Vardar. Only request that was made
was that Vardar be named "Slav-Macedonia" or "Vardar Macedonia" or
something like that, so as to distinguish between those how carry the
name Macedonia for 2,800 years and those who only carry it since 1945.
Only when Skopjie turned down the Greek requests and began making claims
against Greece did Greek feelings towards Vardar change.

Michael.
                                                                                         
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