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From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:UNITED NATIONS: Organisation urged to uphold international law
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:06:15 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: UNITED NATIONS: Organisation urged to uphold international law


nicosia, nov 3 (ips/george penintaex) -- the upgrading of the role
of the united nations in world affairs is a collective universal
responsibility which should start immediately, says alexis
galanos, the acting president of cyprus.

addressing this week's four-day conference of the world
federation of united nations associations which started here
monday, galanos noted the old order had gone but the new was not
yet in place and this transition had led to conflicts and
violations of human rights.

the cypriot politician said the international community pinned
its hopes on the u.n. as the only universal body which could act
to avert or remedy violations of international law and protect
human rights.

''nowhere is this more evident than in parts of europe itself
which is witnessing the abhorrent policy of ethnic cleansing,'' he
said. ''for the first time after 45 years, with the sole exception
of cyprus in 1974, in the heart of europe an unparalleled
suffering, loss of life and destruction is taking place.

''we can only draw hope from the fact that the united nations now
has the increasing support of the international community to act
in order to ensure that their charter is respected and their
resolutions are implemented,'' galanos added.

he also warned of a ''real danger'' if insufficient and prompt
action is not taken. the east-west division, he said, would be
replaced by a division between north and south.

''a new international economic environment has therefore to be
created in which developing countries will be given more
opportunities to realise their potential and embark on a course of
development that is sustainable,'' galanos said.

he stressed that the crucial problems of poverty and hunger also
called for urgent action. the competent u.n. agencies should be
given every assistance, accompanied by action by governments and
other organisations so that there are no more scenes starving
children in troubled countries, he added.

he stressed that although the responsibility for promoting world
peace and the other goals of the u.n. ''lies primarily with states
and their actions in the organisation, social groups, individuals
and non-governmental organisations can make an important
contribution to this effort''.

more than 100 delegates from european and non-european u.n.
associations as well as international agencies and non-
governmental organisations, are participating in the 13th regional
conference which ends thursday.(end/ips/ip/gp/mf/92)
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: So Idi Amin *was* a Windsor!
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <lflgqlINNhrs@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jsd@crunch.Eng.Sun.COM (Jules Damji) writes:
>Rumour has it the Idi Amin Dada also contracted sphyllis from Queens'
>maid. :-)
>jules

 Do you know where syphilis came from.......???


MAKALA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:36:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <9292@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.121623.9927@fy.chalmers.se> paul@fy.chalmers.se (Paul Hasl) writes:
>>I saw this program 6 months ago, but I do remember that people are working
>>on the problem trying to educate the people in central and northern Africa.
>>And with some sucess, some countries have banned female circumcision.
>>(if I remember correctly)
>>paul
>
>
The worlds most pornographic country is going to be dispensing morallity!!!





Makala
>
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Female Circumcision
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:22:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1471700225@igc.apc.org> jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
>
>if it were possible for a woman to compare having sex in possession
>of her clitoris with having sex without it, which do you think she
>would choose?

 You don't get it do you? This subject is off limits for you, you will NEVER
get a response out of me.


Makala
From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Gay Africans?
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:26:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

As a African and a curious student of some primitive African cultures
including that of my ethnic group in the Adamawa Plateau of the
Central African region of Cameroon in the last 3000 years, I have
found no evidence of the existence of homosexuality in any of these
primitive cultures.

My conclusion is that despite recent attempts by militant gay groups
to convince the public of the contrary, homosexuality may not be
natural. I believe it is a consequence metropolitant development and
its resulting complexities and influences on human behavior.
Homosexuality goes against the natural reproductive instinct of any  
animal with the survivalist tendency like man. If a gene for such
behavior existed it would have gone extinct in the millions of years
it has taken us to evolve to this stage. For those who believe in
creation, God could not have created homosexuals and asked them to go
and multiply, if he is as intelligent as the religious claim he is.

So, if you want any gay Africans look for them in big African cities
or in the metropolitan centers of western civilisation. You will never
find them in any primitive African society or any primitive soceity
anywhere in the world for that matter. The word "homosexual" does not
even exist in the vocabularies of these people.

NOTE: This in no way is meant to be a judgement on whether
      homosexuality is good or bad. I am not a bigot and feel any two
      consenting adults should be allowed to have sexual satisfaction
      any way they choose, as long as they are hurting no one.
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Ethiopia (Was: Re: Abortion, Euthanesia and the wrongless West.
Date: 5 Nov 1992 08:31:31 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
> In the colonial days, they divided BOTH Ethiopia and
> Somalia between England an and Italy. By the end of this evil rule the
> country could not exist as one.

I wasn't aware of this division of Ethiopia. I would be 
interested to know more of the history of colonialism in
Ethiopia.

Scott




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From: ltt75326@acuvax.acu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: International Integration (was Re: female Circumcision)
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:11:11 GMT
Organization: Abilene Christian University

In article <1992Nov9.211753.21149@hippo.ru.ac.za>, ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod) writes:

TO MAKALA, THIS WAS SAID...
 
> Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and instead of trying
> to foster non-existent conspiracy theories try and help to get
> networking down to the grass roots in this country and its neighbours?
> We've already got one non-racial school in Grahamstown on the Internet,
> and there are plenty more interested.  They need financial assistance,
> and you'd be in an ideal position to help out if you'd just try and pay
> attention to what we're trying to do over here rather than bleating
> about how the whole world isn't fit to talk to you.
> -- 
>   F.F. Jacot Guillarmod     PO  Box 94     \        |     ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za
>   Computing Centre       Grahamstown 6140   \      /     +27 461 22023 xt 284
>   Rhodes University        South Africa      ;___*/   33 18 30 S | 26 31 45 E

Be constructive? Makala? That would be so pleasant.
Dreaming, too,

L.T.
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Angola - Botha banned from entering Angola
Date: 7 Nov 1992 15:47:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

The South African Foreign Minister has been banned from Angola
and his government has been accused of shipping arms to UNITA
at the same time that they have been urging the MPLA government
to consider some kind of national unity government with UNITA...

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Clitorid'y / African Culture
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:40:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700234:000:1042
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov  8 09:40:00 1992


From: P.TENGENDE@cowan.edu.au
Subject: Re: Mutilation & Clitorectomy

Summary: Clitorectomy and the "African Culture".
Keywords: Mutilation,Circumcission, infubilation

There are 50 odd countries in Africa, with some of these countries having
very diverse cultures from one part of the country to another. Please be 
reminded that there is nothing like one universal "African Culture" - 
and I hope people will start to make a distinction of which country 
they are talking about and where possible , WHICH CULTURE.

By the way, circumcission and its female version are not practised in the
Shona and Ndebele cultures (the two cultures) of Zimbabwe. A small group of
Chewa immigrants from Malawi were reported a few years ago as engaging in 
clitorectomy.....( can't remember the word ).

Peterson Kanyimo Tengende           |
P.TENGENDE@bluering.cowan.edu.au    |  What is the capital city of Africa ??
Tel +619 370 285                    |  Any  Suggestions ?? 
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From: jsd@crunch.Eng.Sun.COM (Jules Damji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Tanzania
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:57:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crunch

In article <3J6TTB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
> Has anybody been to Dar es Salaam lately? I was there from May till July 
> and noticed just before I was leaving that they were starting to repair 
> the city roads, fix the sewers, make new sidewalks, and even collect 
> garbage! 
> 
> I would be interested in hearing if they are continuing this, as would my 
> sister-in-law since she is from there...

I wonder why? Is she worried she might disappear in one of the pot-holes?
or has she acquired an affected distaste for sewage and garbage since her
arrival in Canada?

Jules

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From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Subject: GO DOWN, MOSES
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:13:41 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I thought some of you may find this old American spiritual interesting...


GO DOWN, MOSES, 'Way down in Egypt land,
Tell ole Pharoah to let my people go;

When Israel was in Egypt land;
Let my people go;

Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
Let my people go.

GO DOWN MOSES, 'Way down in Egypt land,
Tell ole Pharoah to let my people go;

When spoke the Lord, bold Mopses said;
Let my people go;

If not I'll smite your first born dead,
Let my peoiple go.

GO DOWN, MOSES, 'Way down in Egypt land,
Tell ole Pharoah to let my people go;

No more bondage shall they toil;
Let my people go;

Let them come out with Israel's soil,
Let my people go.

GO DOWN, MOSES, 'Way down in Egypt land,
Tell ole Pharoah to let my people go.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kovach@kahane.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Edward Kovach)
Subject: tanzania e-mail addresses
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:01 GMT
Keywords: tanzania e-mail

Hi,
A colleague of mine is looking for e-mail addresses in Tanzania,
particularly ones located in the University of Dar es Salimm (sp?)
or the city of Dar es Salimm.  If you know of anyone in this area
with e-mail access and wouldn't object to receive e-mail from a
Tanzanian doctoral student studying in the US, please send the 
address to me.

Thanks in advance.


Ed Kovach  - kovach@kahane.cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Club Dates: Russell Malone
Keywords: jazz guitar music
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:02:49 GMT


Jazz Guitarist _Russell Malone_ will be playing the following dates:

1. Boston, Nov 16, Schuler's (sp ?)

2. Costa Mesa, California, Nov 21, (location ?), 
    ** with Branford Marsalis **

3. Los Angeles, Nov 24, Lenaria

4. Chicago, Dec 10, Jazz Oasis

5. New York, Dec 14, The Bluenote


He will have several exciting musicians from Atlanta
with him (George Grier, bass; Gary Motley, piano;  ????, drums).

------------------------------------


WJM


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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RAIN (Pula thata) in Southern Africa
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:33:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <05 Nov 1992 21:58> Winslow Sargeant said to All :

 WS>  I have just heard that rain is once again falling in Southern 
 WS>Africa.  Rain           
 WS>   has been falling 2-3 times a week in Botswana. A tornado, I 
 WS>was told, was
 WS>   reported to have touch down in South Africa.  This is good 
 WS>news (not the
 WS>    tornado), rain is once again falling (el nino is dead).

Not much is falling here. Not even the weeds are growing.

 WS>  Winslow Sargeant( Formerly Winslow of Madison!)

Welcome back!



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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Is racism "for whites only"?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:52:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <cscoging.21.721470556@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za> cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings) writes:
>
>If you come from Southern Africa, why are you in America?

What are you doin in Africa?i
if you come form europe.
>
>Do not try to teach a pig to sing
>It wastes your time and annoys the pig
>                               - Anon

Ye shall  judge them by their fruit. I think this one is a boer tree!i



Makala
!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Separate Development
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:38:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BxDBD7.HxJ@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes:
>
>When I see this formula of who shall talk about what, I see a pattern.
>Separate Development apparently has its adherents on the net, including a
>Pharonic crusader who either hates Nats or is an agent provacateur of the
>Nats (or both!).  

If you are trying to insult me I wont argue with a fool because people might
not notice the difference.........

>
>If uitlanders (or outsiders or foreigners) shouldn't talk about Africa 
>(because it is presumably none of their business), then perhaps they 
>shouldn't.  And while we're at it, why should anyone bother interfering with 
>the economy of Africa by putting sanctions on South Africa or interfering in 
>its "internal" affairs?

This is a good principle, why don't we go to where it all began and deport the
foreigners from Europe who began arriving in 1652.  

On the other hand Africans are not obliged if they so desire to honour the 
borders demarcated by aliens. 

j>
>It seems to be a double standard to stick one's very big nose into South
>Africa's business but to keep one's nose out of the rest of Africa because
>that would be "racist".

The Zulu, the Venda, the Xhosa, the Fengu are all our brothers and we shall never negelct them.


  I thought one should be opposed to apartheid, but
>were I to believe some of the more prolific posters here, one shouldn't oppose
>it, because that would be interfering in the affairs of Africa.

Mouthing oppositions in order to gain international acceptability while practising and benefitting from apartheid is the kind of hypocrisy on display here.
I am dedicated to opposing apartheid on the net I shall campaign to ostracise
these people until we black South Africans posting too.
>
>Just imagine some idiot saying, "There is nothing we can do about Somalia,
>because we would be butting into somebody else's business.  Somalis just 
>like to kill each other.  It's in their culture.  It is also a tradition 
>for Somalis to starve to death."
>--Andrew Varvel--
>North Dakota Institute for the Study of Xenophobia

Well spoken like the one and only lover of the black and opprresed. 

How your analysis that the source of the Somali crisis is cultural is valid
I0 shall never know. But I shall not bother either because I understand your
objectives in raising irrelevant examples. I am sure you have established 
that the Somali war is the first ever in history.


Makala
From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:05:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Nov12.100503.9104
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In <9418@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>I know boers, they are all liars down to the last one. 	Supposing one or
>Africans had access to a computer this would still mean nothing.

This is a different claim to "no Africans have access to computer
facilities".  This is progress.

> The over
> whelming majority (99%) of Souht Africans are exploited, oppressed and
>deprived. 

Is that right?  

>I asked them why they don't post on the net, and they told me that I am
>crazy.

They're right.  You are crazy.

>in the case of blacks illegal. I expalined the debate on the net. They
>told me that South Africa had not changed. They told me that one of their
>professors had just called the blacks in class 'kaffirs'.

And they're at UCT?  Where one of the deputy vice chancellors of the
university is a black woman member of the ANC?

>When I informed them of the discussion on the net, they got animated and
>wished they had the opportunity to participate and set the boers straight.
>They thanked me for doing a good job and asked me to keep it up.

What _are_ you studying in the U.S.?  Creative writing?

>I aked again why they did not post, and just when they were going to start saying someting there was a click and the line was cut.

>(I think they are ok).

You're watching too much TV.
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  Computing Centre       Grahamstown 6140   \      /     +27 461 22023 xt 284
  Rhodes University        South Africa      ;___*/   33 18 30 S | 26 31 45 E
From: ashamji@bu.edu (ariff shamji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: q
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:09:36 GMT
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Separate Development
Keywords: racists culture
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:10:48 GMT

In article <poam.63.721321086@giraffe.ru.ac.za> poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD) writes:
>In article <BxEyGE.9tH@ns1.nodak.edu> varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) writes:

You two [one a redneck from North Dakota, the other a white "liberal" from 
South Africa busy enjoying the spoils of apartheid] have grossly 
miscalculated my interest in a *white* South African's opinion about me......
Keep it up boys - it does not hurt to listen!

J.K.

[Crap deleted...]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Subject: Two way street
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:18:29 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


There seem to be cultural commentaries this way and that.  It's interesting,
except for the boring flames now and then.

I don't mind people commenting about my home area, although I would greatly
prefer that the person speaking knew what he was talking about.  Comments
like," All NoDaks are rednecks who are having scalping wars against the
Indians" will probably portray a lack of knowledge.  However, comments
like," It will be interesting to see how Governor-elect Schafer will respond
to the concerns of the Lakota at Fort Totten" will probably portray at least
a theoretical knowledge of the politics of North Dakota.

I would even be willing to discuss the case of Leonard Peltier (and
considering the nature of the South African govt., I would be surprised if
SABC DIDN'T cover it...).

--Andrew Varvel--


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross)
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:53:34 GMT

Oops - looks like I attributed Mr. Mofokeng's words to Mr. Chowning.

Bill Ross
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: paul@fy.chalmers.se (Paul Hasl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:16:23 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

People are straiyng off the subject a bit. I would like to make a note that
Swedish television has made a 1h documentary on the subject, quite interesting
talking to the women,girls and doctors involved. 
And after you have seen that, you are truly appalled that a thing like this 
is allowed to continue.
I saw this program 6 months ago, but I do remember that people are working
on the problem trying to educate the people in central and northern Africa.
And with some sucess, some countries have banned female circumcision.
(if I remember correctly)

paul
From: james@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (James Gemmell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Is racism "for whites only"? they are after my brother
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:38:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: concave.james.720956283
Organization: Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand

In <9073@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>For the less unreasonable people who want clarification, let me explain how my
>brother hit the nail on the head when he pointed out the impossibility of a bl
>ack being a racist. 

>Racism is a SYSTEM of predjudice upheld by military and economic power. Without
>these two it is but a complex of say the kind that blond haired Swedes might
>display to equally white, still wealthy but darker and dark ahired French.

We are obviously dealing with two VERY different definitions of racism here.
But since racism is a system, who are the racists?  I would think they are
the people who uphold the system.  Now, where do you draw the line as to
who does and who doesn't support the system?  Do I support the system
merely because I am white?  I can live with your definition of racism
but I question your judgement as to who you call racist.

Despite the aggressive tone of your postings, I do value them since they
incite me to question my own beliefs and value systems frequently.

sepela gabotse mogwera,
James


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