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From: maklinm@cognos.com (Max Maklin)
Subject: Patching policies of HP
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:43:19 GMT

I am writing this in hope that HP relook the way they are doing patches.
This stems from a recent experience I had with DART tapes.  NOTE: I am
not flaming HP, the local office support (it was great!), ... in any way
as this is only to be taken as constructive criticism.

HP uses a periodical patching mechanism known as DART tapes.  Every few
months, a worldwide distribution of a DART tape is made to support
customers.  This is good!  Thus the frequency I have no problem with.  On
the DART tape is filesets which correspond to those products which have been
patched and is also covered on your software agreement.

One nice improvement would be when none of my products have been patched and
it is time for another DART, that nothing is mailed to me.  Now, if this
situation would to occur today, I would receive the DART fileset doc which
I promptly place in the recycling bin.  Which brings me to the next point.

What the heck is the use of this DART fileset doc?  It serves the end-user
no use that I can think of.  Where is the install instructions?  What format
is the patches in: cpio, tar, dump, update (I know update, but what about
a brand new support customer and DART 7 - he would never know!)  I think
HP does a great job with doc why such the lapse in patch kits.

Over the summer we received DART tapes of which there were notable problems.
Luckily, I personally did not have to need to install them.  Around September
a memo was sent out outlining all the problems and that we should wait for
a consolidated DART coming out soon.  Just about then I was looking for my
new verion of ALLBASE for development and thus decided to wait for the infamous
DART 7.  When I went to install the ALLBASE F.0 that was supposed to be on
it, I instead only had E.something.  Where was my F.0?  The doc fileset
said it was there, HP response center said it was there, HP ALLBASE dev
team said it was supposed to be there, well it wasn't.  A local SE did
quite a bit of looking into it and to his surprise he got conflicting
information as well.

In the end, I have finally got it installed.  Seems there is even more
issues about DDS distribution and the rev of your OS and corresponding
update command.  HP your are going the wrong route and coming close to
the way ... Yuck ... that IBM is getting blasted for their patches (check
comp.unix.aix any day of the week).  I can only the huge coordination 
effort involved with this, but I am sure there is room for improvement.

-- 
Max Maklin                                                P.O. Box 9707 
Technical Analyst	                           3755 Riverside Drive
Cognos Incorporated                              Ottawa, Ontario CANADA
Internet: maklinm@cognos.COM                 UUNet: maklinm@cognos.UUCP
From: abao@bssv02 (Angela Bao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Synchronize time?
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: angela@bssv01.hac.com
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Hello netters.....

   We have about 20 HP 720 workstations (and growing in number),  but each 
workstations' clock is on a mind of its own.   I know in the SUN world 
there is something called 'rdate' which allows for time synchrnization.   
Is there something similar for the HPs (maybe public domain)?

  thanks!
  angela
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From: mikel@glare.cisco.com (Mikel Ravizza)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: rdist for hp
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:38:50 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com
Keywords: rdist


I want to run rdist5.6 on a hp. I was wondering if
anyone had done this yet..  Its an hp730 and I 
was having alittle trouble.  I haven't modified
the makefile yet (because I don't know what to
modify)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Mikel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: HP licensing NeXTstep?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 15:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: greg_cagle@mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp

The New York Times is reporting that HP is talking to NeXT about
licensing NeXTstep. A broader alliance that might have included
an HP stake in NeXT has been ruled out, however. Hmmm.

-- Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kurmas@ttd.teradyne.com (Paul Kurmas)
Subject: Cluster performance
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Div.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 20:33:04 GMT

With all the discussion about the HP-UX cluster and performance, I have to
ask this question: does everybody who gets good cluster performance have
a second LAN to support the client nodes?

We had a cluster of 2 425e machines (each fully loaded with RAM, and at least
200Mb local swap each) with a 433s as the server (80Mb RAM). However, running
a second Ethernet wasn't an option, so the DUX protocol was sharing the 
wire with all the other traffic (TCP/IP, AppleTalk, DECNET, LAT)...

Performance on both the cluster server and clients seemed low; we converted
one of the clients to a standalone, and performance improved quite a bit.
[The machines are still overloaded, but now it's more tolerable...].

Are there any hard numbers on how much traffic the DUX protocol generates,
and how much other traffic it can tolerate and still give good performance?
-- 
Paul Kurmas				voice: (708)940-9000
Teradyne Telecommunications		FAX:   (708)940-0344
Deerfield, IL 60015			Email: kurmas@ttd.teradyne.com
From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:17:06 GMT
Subject: Re: HP 7xx problem with virtual memory (thrashing)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> Some added data: after boot, and for several days, the system would
> report that about 60 MB of our 128 MB was "free". After that, the "free"
> memory would decline slowly, until the system would become useless
> when about 5 MB or less was free. The number of processes remained more
> or less the same (i.e. not a huge number of defunct/zombies eating
> memory), and no task would show more "SIZE" than it would when the
> system was booted. It seems there is a black hole for memory; we have
> one program which may not be well-behaved about returning malloc'ed
> memory, but the system MUST recover all such memory when the process
> dies no matter how screwed up the process becomes.

There is another possible way to use up swap space.  Shared memory
segments also require swap space.  Since shared memory segments will
survive the exit of their creating process, they can accumulate whenever
a program fails to destroy segments that it creates.  The command
"ipcs -mb" will list shared memory segments, their owners and their sizes.
If you note segments accumulating over time you can ask the owners
what kind of programs they are executing, and try to pin down the source.

Shared memory segments can be removed using "ipcrm", but it can be
difficult to determine whether a shared memory segment is entirely
unused.  A segment is in use if the "NATTCH" field reported by "ipcs -mo"
is greater than 0.  An apparently unused segment might be left
around intentionally to hold information for later executions of a
program.  The only way to check for this is to check the documentation
or the author of each program involved.

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:34:39 GMT
Subject: Re: cc(1) bug in 9.0
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

I'm not the most knowledable about this but I think it means that you
have not installed the full C compiler on your system and only have
the one that is used to rebuild kernels.  You might check into this
until one of the compiler people can respond accordingly.

This is not an official HP answer, i.e. the usual disclaimer applies.
From: allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: clusters, etc.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:00:49 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com

In article <43325@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair) writes:
> I sure wish HP would offer the 700 series machines with the option
> to delete the graphics top.  

surprise!  we do.  we currently offer 720, 730 and 750 "server" configurations.
these machines don't have a graphics top, and come with a dat drive
and a cd-rom drive.  they also have beefed-up ram and disk drives in
the default configuration.

there is no 705 or 710 server (as far as i can find) and i don't know
whether there are or will be new server models corresponding to the new
7x5 (for x > 0) workstations.  i can't find them on the price list.

not an official response.
-- 
 From the virtual mind of Allyn Fratkin            allyn@sdd.hp.com
                          San Diego Division       - or -
                          Hewlett-Packard Company  uunet!ucsd!hp-sdd!allyn
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Dynamic Linking to running executable
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:36:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpdstma.ptp.hp.com

In article <C0rHnL.G9u@jabba.ess.harris.com>, mac@mercury.Harris-ATD.com (Mike McDonald) writes:
|>   Does anyone have any ideas on how to link in a C .o to a running program? I use
|> to have the magic necessary for doing it on aVax 750 running BSD4.3, but that was
|> long ago.

You can do this using the -A option of /bin/ld, but it is not for the faint
of heart. Check out the manpage and give it a try, and if you have problems,
repost and I'll try to help out. However, PLEASE read the manpage first;
any explanation I give will be nonsense without that critical step.

-- 
Dave Waller
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Workstation Systems Division
Sunnyvale Channel Partner Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Synchronize time?
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:52:26 GMT

In article <1il8r4INNr2q@hpsdlz.sdd.hp.com> ken@sdd.hp.com (Ken Stone) writes:

>What you want is on louie.udel.edu in /pub/ntp/xntp3.tar.Z ... works great
>on most all forms of HP-UX.
>
>  -- Ken

What Ken didn't say is that 


1) the version of xntp3 on iworks is not kept current and might
   best be replaced with a pointer to the louie.udel.edu archive

2) the official release of xntp3 comes with HP/HPUX support standard 
   -- no porting needed, just compile, configure, and install



Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dean@nassau.hw.stratus.com (Dean Markarian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Batchjob que for hp700
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:38:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nassau.hw.stratus.com

Has anyone out there installed MDQS, QBATCH, or any batch job que on a 
700 series HP.  If so could you tell me what software you used and
where you got it? thank you

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: turrell@violet.berkeley.edu (David Turrell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP110 Laptop
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:27:54 GMT
Organization: Cobol Pacific University
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <92365.225241IO10677@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
IO10677@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Douglas M. Howell) writes:

>    How much should I expect to have to pay for a new or used disk drive
>for the HP110?  Will only HP drives work with my machine or can I shoot
>for a 3rd party compatible drive (at a lower cost hopefully).

Educalc at least used to have used IL drives for sale (800 677-7001).

Classic Computers still supports the 110. Their IL drives are $175-$200.
Voice: 515 472-0383. Fax: 515 472-0393.

-David

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gordon@madmax.uwaterloo.ca (Gordon R. Strachan)
Subject: Re: How to server clients over more than one LAN?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:51:47 GMT

In article <1ihq1jINN6ht@loon.graphics.cornell.edu> hurf@boa.graphics.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon) writes:
>Keywords
>
>|> This disadvantage could hypothetically be one reason for moving away
>|> from Diskless to more industry-standard protocols.
>	
>    I don't see the wisdom in sh*tcanning something that works so well
>	on the basis of 'industry standard' unless there is a standard
>	that is better. I run HP clusters because it is easier than
>	the industry standard and file i/o between systems is often 100%
>	of ethernet bandwidth (how do you do that, anyway?) while the
>	industry standard is hard pressed to do 20% (of ethernet bandwidth)
>	in anything approaching a loaded environment.

Its even worse than that.  I have no idea how I would go about implementing a
mixed cluster using NFS when HPUX doesn't implement disk partitioning.  I
guess you would have to buy a whole truck load of small disks.  Either that
or have symbolic links crossing all over your file system.  I certainly
would consider this a step backwards and really hope doesn't do this (at least
not for a long time).  I wouldn't mind HP moving to a different more open
standard but at least I would hope they moved to something better.  At least
give us a solution that is designed to support a hetrogenous filesystem.  In my
opinion NFS can be made to do this but it really doesn't cut it.

>
>-- 
>     Hurf Sheldon			 Network: hurf@graphics.cornell.edu

Gordon


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jeff@dsndata.uucp (Jeff Minnig)
Subject: Re: Dat woes....
Organization: Design Data
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:51:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.022338.1888@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes:

>>  Path: dsndata!backbone!crcnis1.unl.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix!mimsy!afterlife!mlbelan
>>  From: mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee)
>>  Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
>>  Subject: Dat woes....
>>  Message-ID: <1993Jan12.022338.1888@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
>>  Date: 12 Jan 93 02:23:38 GMT
>>  Organization: The Great Beyond
>>  Lines: 13
>>  
>>  
>>  We've got a DAT that absolutely refuses to be ejected. Without taking my
>>  needlenosed pliers to it, can anyone offer a good suggestion for getting
>>  it out of my HP 735?
>>  
>>  Mark
>>  
>>  =========================================================================
>>              I wasn't hired because I have fashion sense.. 
>>                   I'm a geek, and damn proud of it.
>>                       mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil
>>                            belangee@aol.com
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------


If all else fails:

Shut the system down cold.
Reboot to single user mode.
Push the eject button on the DAT drive.  The tape should eject.
Reboot the system multi-user.


If this doesn't work, you may have more serious problems...

-jeff-
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: chanr@wm-mercer.ca (Russell Chan )
Subject: Contemporary Cybernetics CY-8[25]00 Tape drives
Organization: William M. Mercer Limited, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:16:34 GMT

Hello Netters!

Has anyone out there had any experience with the aforementioned Tape drives?
(Contemporary Cybernetics CY-8[25]00 Tape drives).  We are considering 
purchasing one of these and I though that I would check the net to see if
any  anyone has had any unpleasant experiences using these with HP systems.

If you do have one of these, I would like your opinion of the product in terms
of reliability, performance, compatibility, and support from C.C.

Thanks to those who reply...

Please reply in e-mail to :
Russell Chan (chanr@wm-mercer.ca || wm-mercer.ca!chanr@uunet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: cupples@IASTATE.EDU (Robert L Cupples)
Subject: Re: PCL to PostScript translator
Reply-To: cupples@IASTATE.EDU (Robert L Cupples)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:19:26 GMT

> > >   We are looking for a filter that will convert PCL formating to
> > >   postscript, or even to "dumb" printer formatting (overstrike and
> > >   backspace).  If anyone knows of a solution, I would be most
> > >   grateful to hear from you.
> > 
> > There is a program around that does this.  I think it is called lj2ps.  I
> > believe you can ftp it from shorty.cs.wisc.edu but it has been a long time
> > since I looked there so my information may be out of date.
> > 
> > Gordon
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The above archive has moved to ftp.cs.wisc.edu (128.105.8.18) look in the
> /pub/misc/lj2ps dir.
> 

I have an opposite problem.  Does anybody have a ps2lj?
I've been trying for couple of years for the boss to get a postscript
cartridge, but he just doesn't seem to move on it since the nearest
postscript printer is one floor above me on the other side of the
building and printing on it doesn't cost anything out of his budget.
I've been getting tired of making the walk!

cupples@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205)
Subject: Re: Bad escape codes on 9000/720?
Reply-To: rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:16:56 GMT


Stan Sieler (sieler@allegro.com) wrote:

> WARNING:  I don't have access to the HP-UX file which lists all of the
> PasErr values, but the MPE/iX file (PASESC.PUB.SYS) has incorrect values
> (or names?) starting with PasErr 905 (they are all off by one in the
> info field).
> 
> I.e.: 
>    PasErr_905 = 59309367 is misleading.  PasErr_904 would actually be
> that value (i.e.: the upper 16-bits of 59309367 = 904).  Now, 
> I don't know if 904 or 905 is InvalidProcFunc.  (In other words, is the
> vale 59309367 wrong or is the PasErr_905 wrong?)

Thanks for pointing that out.  Another one for the manual, if not the fix 
list.  If anyone does go into pasesc.ph, you might as well fix:

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Speaking of traps, is it possible to catch the alarm signal from Pascal?  
On the 400 series, you can use an escape code and errno to do that.  On 
the 700, there's no escape code for it, and no generic system error escape
code, so you can't.  I have a function that sets an alarm before calling 
fcntl with a wait, and if it times out, the function returns with failure.
It looks like the way to do it is with a trap handler, but I don't want
to lose the flow of control.  Is there a way to do this with try/recover?
Thanks again.

Cheers,
 Rick Johns
 BNR
 rjohns@bnr.ca

Disclaimer: I said it, BNR didn't.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: lemc002@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Franco Trani)
Subject: Huge executables from f77 on 750's
Originator: lemc002@winx03
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:30:12 GMT


I've a problem with f77 (what /usr/bin/f77: HPUX Fortran/ 9000s700
09/19/91 B2408 A08.07). Some code I compile on a 9000s433 gives an
executable of 336 KB. The same code compiled with the same comp-
iler options results in a 29 MB monster on the 750 (it can be com-
pressed to a size of ~ 400 KB !). I've another example which is not
that drastical ("only" 16 MB vs. 360 KB) . The object-files are still 
small, the problem seems to be the linker. Is there something I could
do or is that a known problem (patch available ?). At the moment we 
don't use quotas, but these paradisic circumstances are about to change, 
so it will be no fun. 

Thank you for your answers in advance
                                 Franco
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: /bin/sh on HP-UX on HP-9000, case problem
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:36:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.116
In-reply-to: quenton@Cherniak.ON.CA's message of 7 Jan 93 19:46:06 GMT

quenton@Cherniak.ON.CA (Dennis Smith) writes:

> 	case "abc?def" in
> 	   *"?"*) echo OK;;
> 	esac
> 
> This should echo "OK".
> It does on ksh.  It does on /bin/sh on 8 other platforms including AIX.
> It does not on /bin/sh on the HP.

This works under my pre-release version of HP-UX 9.0 on an HP 720.  It
does not work under 8.07 on an HP 720.  Looks like it's fixed.
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From: bs@Germany.EU.net (Bernard Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Ethernet interface for HP LJ4
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:58:26 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: qwerty.germany.eu.net

In article <1993Jan11.131020.5440@alf.uib.no>, iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen) writes:
|> Does anybody know anything about the HP Ethernet card for the HP LJ4? My local 
|> HP office claims it needs an HP workstation to work. Is this true - what kind of 
|> print protocols does this card use? Is it some kind of HP-only protocol or 
|> what?

Well, I got some sort of information material from one of the local
department stores (sorry) and it claims there are several versions of ethernet
cards available, including one that talks something on top of something on
top of IP, but they don't give any more details. Just that you can connect
your printer to SCO boxes, SUNs or HPUXen.

CU
Bernard