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From: v999s3bz@pittsburg.compsci.edu ((Joe__))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking for 1-800 numbers for travel agents in L.A.
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:43:00 GMT
Organization: (__)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


hello,
if anyone has the 1-800 numbers for travel agents in L.A. or
any other agents that give discounts fares, would appreciate
if you could forward the numbers via email.
thanks
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Re: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:45:11 GMT

Yeah I do agree with the other netters too that you SHOULDN'T have revealed
Pak Othman's personal data!  That is just too much.  He has the right to his
own privacy.  Let's put it this way, if you are the one who is hated by
everyone and then suddenly this other guy pulls out a sheet that contains
all your vital information and broadcast it to the world, would you like it?
Well, I wouldn't!  So let's stop it here and not let it happen again.

By writing this article, I'm not saying that I'm siding with Pak O, but just
that all of us should respect his privacy.   In fact, all of us should respect
other's privacy.  That is all I have to say about this.

siong

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Privacy (Was Re : Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:14:37 GMT

siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:

> Yeah I do agree with the other netters too that you SHOULDN'T have revealed
> Pak Othman's personal data!  That is just too much.  He has the right to his
> own privacy.  Let's put it this way, if you are the one who is hated by
> everyone and then suddenly this other guy pulls out a sheet that contains
> all your vital information and broadcast it to the world, would you like it?
> Well, I wouldn't!  So let's stop it here and not let it happen again.

The fact of the matter is - the information the poor chap posted would not 
constitute exactly personal information. If your libraries are complete 
enough, they should have a copy of the NTU Dept of EE's courses and 
professional training of the instructors/lecturers. Pak Othman might have led 
to his own 'demise' by telling everyone which dept he belongs to at NTU in his 
sig file enabling the chap to find it out a little easier. Anybody could have 
found out if they were curious enough, and if you were to label the guy who 
posted it as morally 'unrighteous' (in lack of a better word to use), it does 
not make anyone who reads the profile any better off.
 
If giving a profile of a person constitutes violation of privacy, then is what 
the PAP and the government of Singapore wrong in telling the whole world Cmdre 
Teo Chee Hean has 2 masters degree wrong? I don't think so. If anything, Pak 
Othman would be pleased that someone actually bothered to find out where he 
had his training - he has achieved his purpose : getting people to take notice 
of him after trying so hard for so long. :-) [this is not flame baiting - 
notice the smiley!]



v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Star Trek in SEA
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:03:22 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <WLIM.93Jan9181749@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>, wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim) writes:
> P.S. This is not meant to be a serious Trekkie discussion of the type
> going on in rec.arts.startrek.  It is meant to inform s.c.a folks
> about ST:DS9.

	Heh...  not to worry...  Doubt we will turn into trekkies... :) 
Anyway, there's supposed to be another good show coming out...  Babylon-5. 
Sci-fi flick, but with real acting (so the blurb says).  From the release I
got, it was very impressive.
[Superbrief outline]
	In the future, after a big war which we (earth) were on the verge of
losing big time, the winning side did a unconditional surrender(!).  For peace,
etc etc we established a space station in deep space and then things happen.
	Hmm... my outline doesn't do it justice... if there is interest (ie, at
least one person ask for it) I will post the release (if I can find it).
	Supposed to be a 5 year show (5 year mission...? :))
	Ciao.

-Tai
ps:  The Christmas International House was fun.  Highly recommended!  Join it if
you have a chance.  Still trying to get out from under a 300 newmail load...
*sigh*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: IN: Xanana interview - a forwarded msg
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:55:08 GMT

In article <1hub2lINNnde@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra) writes:
> In a previous article, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) says:

>>I mean, are you ashamed to have the blood of East Timorese on your hands,
>>considering they never wanted to be part of Indonesia.  Indonesia occupied
>>East Timor after a military takeover of the island.

> 	how about you, rod ...?
> 	are you ashamed to have poor Aborigines on your hand 
> 	considering they never wanted to be part of you ?

I am not ashamed that there are poor people in Australia.  I am saddened that
you make the generalisation that they are Aborigines...

You don't seem to understand that there is now social equity in Australia.

And believe me, native Australians are Australians, I am an Australian.

I am also an Australian native...

Hypocrite! 

Rod
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From: rtsbangi@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Starting soc.culture.malaysia
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:46:11 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan12.175734.3030@mtu.edu>, barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera) writes:
> 
> s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw (patrick) writes:
> : 
> : i agree too,this is the time to creat such newsgroup.
> : but i am curios that how to do it,and who will manage it.
> : can anyone tell me the way to do it ?
> : 
> : 
> 
> I have already started the process going. It takes 30 days of discussion
> before a vote can be called. If everyone is in agreement with the latest
> proposal then there will be no hitch (hopefully) in beginning the vote.
> 
> In news.announce.newgroups there is an article telling how to create
> a new newsgroup, it is posted every month i think, and that is the process
> I am following. 
> 
> Special note: followups (discussion) to my first post are in news.groups
> I thank everyone so far for their support.
> 
> -chris barrera       barrera@mtu.edu
> 
> Secretary - Malaysian Students Association
> Michigan Technological University


      I agree. 

   -Rizal

    rtsbangi@memstvx1.memst.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bchtantw@nuscc.nus.sg (Dr Tan Tin Wee)
Subject: Re: Human Resource Organization in Singapore aka EDB
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:44:37 GMT

arthurc@solomon.technet.sg (Arthur!! Chai) writes:
[ ... deleted ...]
: The EDB also has offices in North America in Boston, New York, Chicago,
: Los Angeles and San Francisco, all of whom have officers attached for
: IMD work. If you live in these cities, you can probably find them in
: the phone book. I will post the addresses tomorrow.

All these addresses are now residing in the Singapore Technet gopher.

%  gopher  solomon.technet.sg 70
 should get you there (if you have a gopher, if not tell your system
 manager it is high time he/she got it from boombox.micro.umn.edu for free)
 look under the option BioComputing ... and then under Biotechnology
 companies and then under General and then EDBOverseas.


: mail me with questions. In the future, we plan to place information about
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The future was yesterday: this kind of data has been on Technet gopher for
months.  See also the data that Singapore Information Foundation SIFlash
has on the same gopher. See under SIFlash and under Contact Point for
an entire list of useful contacts and addresses and phones etc.

: things like this and other info on Singapore on-line available via Gopher
: for example.
: 
: Arthur Chai
: Senior Services Officer
: Economic Development Board

I look forward to these information, and I will be updating the
EDBOverseas data with your impending post. Thanks.
Do you by the way have the latest regarding who's boss of SISIR?
I need that info to update the Biotech Database.

Thanks

Tin Wee.

-- 
    Tin-Wee TAN                        /  INTERNET: bchtantw@nuscc.nus.sg
    Dept of Biochemistry               /  BITNET:   BCHTANTW@NUSVM
    National University of Singapore   /  Tel:      (65)-772-3678
    Singapore 0511                     /  Fax:      (65)-779-1453
From: Black_Swan@MTS.RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Some backgnd on the Asian Rare Earth factory
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:36:00 GMT
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA09216; Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:36:06 -0800
X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA26163; Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:36:04 -0800
X-To: soc.culture.asean.usenet


 
Asian Rare Earth (ARE), owned jointly by Mitsubishi
Chemicals and Malaysian investors, including the Islamic
Pilgrims Managements and Fund Board as a major share-
holder, began operation in 1982 processing rare elements
from tin tailings to produce thorium hydroxide, in the
course of which radioactive waste products are
generated. Initial plan call for the radioactive waste
to be dump near Parit, a malay village, but the site was
moved to Papan, a chinese settlement, by the time
production started.  The waste product was deposited in
a rapidly cracking cement-lined trench not far from a
river tributary.  When this was discovered, 16
organizations joined to form the Papan Support Group and
Perak Anti-Radioactive Committe (PARC), which together
sponsored radioactive measurements, a nationwide
petition, and eventually public demonstrations against
unsafe dump site.  In response the dump site was moved
to a new location near Bukit Merah, another chinese
village.
 
 
Ref: Malaysian Politics
     GordonP. Means (MacMaster University, Canada)
     Oxford University Press
     1991.
 
     Strongly recommended. A very good book on the trends and
     dynamics of contemporary Malaysian Politics in the 1970s
     and 1980s. Lots of interesting references.
 
 
PS: Hey you guys in McMaster, perhaps you can get
Prof. Means to read this group and participate?
It would be refreshing to have an authority on
board.
 
-Black Swan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: ** Creating Soc.Culture.Malaysui
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:32:14 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Star Trek in SEA
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:52:34 GMT

In article <WLIM.93Jan9181749@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>, wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim) writes:
|> 
|> Anyway for those of you who are outside the US (Canada too?) and
|> particularly in SEA, ST:DS9 is worth watching.  Has it been shown on
|> any TV station outside the US (and Canada?) yet?  What is currently

For sure Canada is right behind you guys.  People will start investing
satellite dishes to pick up US broadcast if we do not have it here :).
 
In Southern Ontario, ST:DSN premier was shown ~10days ago.  And will
be on regular starting this Friday. ST:TNG continues in it's regular
timelsot on Saturday.

...Kyle
From: zxa5@po.CWRU.Edu (Zulfakar Aspar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: VAlue of money
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:38:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: zxa5@po.CWRU.Edu (Zulfakar Aspar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman EEE/Div 4)) says:

>I bring this topic forward becuase of contrasting economic policies of
>various nations.
>	For those who may be interested to study more, please read the
>articles in Fortune concerning the german central bank.

Which edition/month?

>	During the last election in Malaysia the government defends its policy
>of devaluing Malaysian ringgit and they won the election. The argument brought
>forward was that it will cost billions to maintain the value of the ringgit.

This is not one of the main reason the BN won the election. However, I think it
influenced educated people decision.

>It strikes me as though the billions actually come from my savings. It is a
>licence to steal/tax people's money efficiently. But is it fair to the majority?
	Could you explain this?


>Those who borrow a lot will gain during a devaluation because property prices
>remain high after all physical objects and imports will be priced realistically.
	And this?

>Singapore has chosen the strenghtening of its currency. the same with Germany.
>Britain tried to do it but it is too expensive for them becuase it has too much
>government deficit.
>
>The ringgit starts to drop again in liew of the current royalty battle. Could it
>be the government spending money campaining?
>
>I can bet that during election time, the ringgit will drop in value again,
>with the government printing more money.
>
>
	And I bet the ringgit will increase at lease slightly when a big
government company is opened to public like the TNB.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman)
Subject: Re: Recommend S'pore/M'sia restaurants
Keywords: Restaurants
Organization: The Whatever Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.214453.11455@pbhyb.PacBell.COM> armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally) writes:
>
>There is a new restaurant in San Francisco serving S'pore/M'asian food
>called "Straits Cafe".  I have not been to that restaurant, I have read
>some reviews that they serve the food in the traditional manner on a
>bannana leaf (I don't know if that is traditional....atleast not in
>Brunei).  Well it is in India ofcourse.
>
>

I just ate there a week ago, the food there is OK but definitely not
served in banana leaf ! :) I still like the Singapore-Malaysia restaurant
between 8th & 9th street, there are more selections there compared to
the Straits Cafe. But above all, I still like Indonesian food :)

--dani
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: A previous challenge to Pak Othman...
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:35:33 GMT

Chua HakLien (chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: That he has not answered to. I have sent him email about it, and he
: has yet to reply.
: 
: In a previous article, he said that some Malaysian
: Chinese had won Nobel Prizes but refused to acknowledge that they were
: Malaysians. We are still waiting to know who these people are, Pak
: Othman, and await your answer with bated breath ( for the past two months
: now. ) We would also like to see your source for this info as well.
: 
: I am sure a lot of people would really like to know. 
Are you the guy who emailed me? I do not respond to email anymore but I will
respond to this.

chu of superconductivity fame is supposed to be formerly Malaysia according
to someone. I can better confirmation when I read that chu was not formerly
a US citizen from a western magazine. Can't remember which one. Did Chu got
the nobel prize? Maybe he was only nominated.

my former class mate actually corresponded with his former class mate who
 claimed that he was on the verge of a nobel prize. I did not bother to ask
who that guy was. Could it be chu?

Sze Ye who wrote a very famous book on semiconductor, if my memory served me
right, I remembered vaguely from reading a local newspaper that he was
actually a Malaysia(Singaporean?). Did he ever get a nobel prize? He is
famous for his patent on EPROM.

CAn someone give more details? I'm afraid my source is not reliable but
hopefully someone can give more light and concrete information.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: arthurc@solomon.technet.sg (Arthur!! Chai)
Subject: More news from Malaysia
Organization: TECHNET, Singapore
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:15:11 GMT

Some more news snippets:
(1) As requested, the Malaysian doubles pair unfortunately lost in
straight sets to the Indonesian pair in the Finals of the championship
recently.
(2) More development on the immunity issue:
i) The Spirit of 46 has swung its support behind the Sultan of Johor and is
trying to hold rallies nationwide in support. In fact, a large rally was
planned for January 8 or 9th in Johor Bahru, but after the government cracked
down hard, including finally banning any rallies to discuss this issue, the
Sultan 'magnanimously' called it off claiming he had the interests of the 
people at heart. Yeah right ;^) There was some tense days last week as the
government tried to deal with this planned rally.
ii) Last I heard, the Sultan of Kelantan , Pahang and also Kedah have not
come out in support of the proposed new bill.
iii) The very latest news is that the Cabinet has just approved the draft
of the Bill to be sent to Parliament revoking the privileges of the rulers.
This was last night.
(3) The top management of NewStraitsTimes and TV3 has just l=finished a
management buyout for these two companies, buying the shares held by the
Renong Corp in them for $800million ringgit. Rumor has it that this was due
to pressure from the Finance Minister on the Renong CEO whom he dislikes.
I dunno, this rumor was carried in most major papers, including the Intl
Herald Tribune.

Well, looks like politics as usual for Spirit of 46, who are exploiting
the situation like the good politicians they are ;^) But they look to
be having problems with their ostensible partners the DAP who have come
out very strongly for the Government (heh!).

More as stuff happens.
Arthur!!
PS: Obviously, all opinions are my own and solely my own.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kama@microsoft.com (Kam Foo Aw)
Subject: Re: List of overseas Malaysian restaurants
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:27:39 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

Place: Vancouver, Canada
Restaurant: Tropika
Good foods: Great curry dishes
Direction: I couldn't remember the street. You can almost see 
the English Bay from the street.
From: wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Star Trek in SEA
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:17:49
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu

I watched my first Star Trek episodes in M'sia.  At that time I
thought it was pretty good (watched every episode that was shown on
M'sian TV).  Then came Star Trek:The Next Generation (ST:TNG) and I
watched that in the U.S.  I liked ST:TNG better than ST (aka known as
the Captain Kirk one-man show).  Last Thursday night I saw the 2-hour
TV premier of Start Trek:Deep Space 9 (ST:DS9) which I like the best.
(For those of you in the New York City area, Channel 11 will be having
an 8-hour long Star Trek "TVfest" tomorrow starting at 2pm EST.  They
will be showing several Star Trek shows including the first Start Trek
Movie, then ST:DS9 (the one they showed last Thursday night), the
first 1-hour episode of ST:DS9, then the first episode of the original
ST, etc.)

Anyway for those of you who are outside the US (Canada too?) and
particularly in SEA, ST:DS9 is worth watching.  Has it been shown on
any TV station outside the US (and Canada?) yet?  What is currently
running in M'sia and Singapore?  ST:TNG?  Have the two ST:TNG episodes
introducing the Cadassians (new bad-folks after the Romulans, Borgs,
and Klingons) been shown over there yet?  How far behind are they in
the M'sia/Singapore in the ST:TNG episodes?

Some opinions on ST:DS9...I like Commander Benjamin Sisko (Avery
Brooks of Spencer for Hire fame, without his glasses and beard).  His
acting is great.  Quark (a Ferengi), Constable Odo (a shape changer
similar to Terminator-2 style), Science Officer Dax (a "symbiant?", a
humanoid looking host with another creator inside her), and Major Kira
(First Officer, a Bajorian) are interesting characters.  The character
for Chief Medical Officer Bashir (sp?) (acted by a actor with Middle
Eastern sounding name) needs to be developed further.   So when ST:DS9
comes to your local TV station, don't miss it.


(-: Hope this will divert some attention from the other discussion
currently going on s.c.a :-)



Willie

P.S. This is not meant to be a serious Trekkie discussion of the type
going on in rec.arts.startrek.  It is meant to inform s.c.a folks
about ST:DS9.
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Developed? Must have unemployment benefits!
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:08:02 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:

[ Some stuff deleted ]

>  There is one slight difference between CPF and unemployment benefits.
> Namely, you spend CPF on yourself. In the case of unemployment benefits,
> the government spends your money on someone else. A mere bagatelle, I
> know. After all, who cares about money?                                  

One cannot compare CPF with unemployment benefits.  CPF is a pension-fund
scheme.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.taiwan
From: engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY)
Subject: Profile: Othman Bin Ahmad
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:31:46 GMT

I was browsing through the Research Directory from NTU when I spotted the
name "Othman Bin Ahmad" on one of the pages. For those of you netters
who loathe/hate him very much, here's a little more about this guy whom we
all love to hate:

It says that Othman has a Msc Edin., Bsc City and also a CEng,
specialising in microprocessors. He is a lecturer in NTU and also a
part-time PhD student.

Wonder where he had all the time in this world to write all that rubbish
in the net and still manage with his work?
Any answers fellow netters?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yhleong@ncb.gov.sg (Leong Yew Hong)
Subject: Re: NFC/AFC Conference Championship Games
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:03:45 GMT

chan@convex.com (Alex Kwok-Hung Chan) writes:

>Hi there,

>Does anyone know if Singapore TV or radio will broadcast these events
>live in Singapore? I will be in Singapore next week for 3 weeks and hate
>to miss it.

>Thanks...

>Go Cowboys.... go


>- alex


No way !!  SBC sucks when it comes to American Sports.  Don't even plan
on catching any delayed telecast.  They do have some senses and will
probably telecast Superbowl live like last year !


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Network Analyst				Bitnet:	  yhleong@itivax.bitnet
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