From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: OFFICIAL SCORING QUESTION
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:24:13 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <92228.041352IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>erics@sco.COM (eric smith) writes:

>     mdc3@sns.bellcore.com (Mike Connelly) writes:

>          OK, here's the situation: Clemens pitching, Red Sox lead
>          1-0 going into the bottom of the 9th at Detroit. Phillips
>          and Whitaker reach base, 1st and 2nd, nobody out. Reardon
>          comes in. Fryman forces Phillips out at 3rd but is safe
>          at 1st. Fielder hits HR, game over, 3-1.

>          1. Who is the losing pitcher?

>     Clemens. A replacement runner is still charged to the original
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     pitcher.

>Clemens? Clemens cannot be the losing pitcher. Reardon is the losing
>pitcher. 
...

>BTW: There is no replacement runner mentioned in the original post.

Fryman, safe on the FC, is a "replacement" runner for Phillips.
He belongs to Clemens.  Fryman's is the winning run, hence Clemens
takes the loss.

>          2. If Fielder forces Whitaker at 3rd and then Tettleton
>          hits the 3-run HR, then what?

>     Clemens is still the losing pitcher.

>Clemens can't be the losing pitcher in this scenario either. It is
>100% impossible. After Fielder forced Whitaker at third, Clemens had
>no base runners that were his responsibility, so how can he be charged
>with the loss? 

Fryman, who forced Phillips, is clemens', as is Fielder.

>Fielder, now the tying run, is Reardon's responsibility,

Wrong twice - you've forgotten Fryman, the tying run; and
Fielder is Clemens' responsibility.

>and Tettleton is also Reardon's responsibility. 
Yes, but MT is not the winning run - just an extra one.

>Reardon is charged
>with both runs, because they were his runners.

Clemens is charged with two and Reardon with one.

>          3. What if Phillips had been on 3rd and on the Fryman play,
>          he is thrown out at home (i.e. not a force)?

>     Since Fryman is safe on the fielder's choice, I believe his (future)
>     run is still charged to Clemens.

>Strike three. Clemens can't lose in this situation either. Because
>Phillips is out, Whitaker has become the tying run. Whitaker is the
>only runner Clemens is responsible for. Reardon gave up the winning
>run, so he's charged with the loss.

Oops again.  Somebody will probably have a rulebook handy
to point out the right section... but the essence is that
the replacement runner on a FC remains the responsibility 
of the pitcher who was charged with the runner put out.

You've blown it for the third time here, Ryan...

>The moral of the story is this: Whichever pitcher gives up the winning
>run is the pitcher who loses the ball game. Plain and simple.

And the pitcher charged with the winning run in all three of
these scenarios is Clemens...

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