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From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Laser RS Turbo...C/D's Best Bang for the Buck Winner...
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:00:27 GMT
Keywords: Or are they mistaken in all this???

In article <1992Aug24.021911.22678@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

|> was the only sedan that made it into the test, and just barely.
|> the cutoffs do seem a bit arbitrary to me, though, and the RX-7 had no
|> business being in that test without the 300ZX turbo and corvette LT1.
|> -teddy

As I recall, the 300ZX WAS involved, as were the Stealth and 3000GT.
The 'vette was invited, but declined, like the Trans Am and Z-28. This,
by the way, annoyed the hell out of me! It made the entire contest somewhat
less than valid, IMHO. At least, C&D should have included numbers from
previous tests for comparison's sake.

jds

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From: gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: MAZDA 12A TURBO CALL 4 HELP!!!!!!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:01:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <RFROST.92Aug24230727@bruegel.jrc.flinders.edu.au> rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost) writes:
>
>I am re-posting this as I am not sure whether my original posting made it to
>USENET..
>
>I'm posting this message on behalf of my friend Craig who does not have
>Internet access.  Go ahead Craig ...
>
>I have just bought a MAZDA ROTARY 12A TURBO engine that was imported from
>Japan.  This engine originally came in the TURBO COSMO & TURBO RX-7 Series 3.
>It came complete with all sensors, auto. trans., air flow metering
>box and most importantly BOTH the E.F.I. and emissions-control box.
>
>The E.F.I. box is an analogue type made by Nippon Denso and works IN
>CONJUNCTION with a Mitsubishi Electric digital emission-control computer.
>
>The emission-control computer is used to prevent knock under certain
>conditions, this prevents anyone from just removing all emission control
>devices, but presents me with a problem of how to wire them both up and
>check that they are both working correctly.  Also is it possible to
>remove any of these emission control devices on the engine?
>
>Other than the above information, I haven't been able to get ANY details
>on this engine.
>
>                If someone has any info.on these cars and/or
>                electronic boxes could they please email Richard below.
>
>                                MANY MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE.
>                                                                                        
>                                            Craig
>
>
>
>--
>.--------------.------------------------------------------------------------.
>|Richard Frost | Internet Address :    rfrost@jrc.flinders.edu.au           |
>.--------------^------------------------------------------------------------|
>| Phone:       |    CSIRO/Flinders University Joint Research Centre in      |
>|+618-201-3651 |Information Science and Technology Adelaide, SOUTH AUSTRALIA|
>`---------------^-----------------------------------------------------------'



WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THIS KIND OF STUFF OUT OF REC.AUTOS.SPORT?!
IT IS FOR RACING *ONLY*, NOT QUESTIONS/DISCUSSIONS OF STREET CARS!

Thank you,

GBG
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: BEST TIME TO BUY
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:12:14 GMT

What do dealers do with left overs......

for example a fiarly low - demand car ...

FOREXAMPLE a local dealer has 60-70 Geo Storms on his lot

If they don't sell before the '93 models are available are
they going to liquidate them or just more more willing to sell for
closer to cost.


Will thye sell them at a loss just to get rid of them or will they
hold on forever until they are sold
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: THE DOOR HORROR
From: asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:55:00 PST
Organization: MDC - Douglas Aircraft, Long Beach, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: martinrs

     
    So there I am just cruising down to drop off a video at the store.
    Park my car(waaay far away so no stpid jerk will bang door into my
    wife's wedding present-BMW 325i convertible).  As I walk out of the
    store I see this moronic woman park next to my wife's car and kick 
    her door open with her foot!! Taking off about a half inch square 
    of paint from the wheel well.  She of course doesn't even give a damn
    and refused to acknowledge the fact that she had done anything at all,
    after I had just seen it.  Needles to say I was a little incensed but
    felt that if I said anything I would lose it and physically DAHMER
    her and her husband.  
       WHAT the h*ll is this damned disease that causes stupid low life
    scum to do this!!  I need help I mean WHY! WHY!
   I feel better now.
   Asim
   Douglas Aircraft Co.

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From: burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Subject: Re: SHO Shifter Kit
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:24:16 GMT

In article <14381@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
[Where is the promised updated SHO shifter available through Ford Motorsport]

Doesn't that thing cost about $1K just for the parts? My friend told me about
it but when I heard about the price -- no way!

Robert Burgoyne
Proud owner of a white 1989 SHO.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: minnebo@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brian P. Minnebo)
Subject: Re: CHRYSLER LH
Summary: lots of them around here
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:42:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214959.5479@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> hsd@swlrat.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen) writes:
>
>>During my stay in July in Cocoa-beach florida, i saw 2 eagle (vision) cars,
>>these were the badges on the cars, both  were lease cars,
>>after reading the road test and seeing 
>>photos in car-driver magazine (british) , i now know them to have
>>been the new Chrysler LH series..
>>I liked the design very much , they seemed to have huge interior space ,
>>good functional dashboard, all round a good design and integrated automobile.
>>i believe these cars have not yet been released in the states,
>>possible these were  test cars ....
>
>  The LHs are here!  The LHs are here!

In the Detroit area, there all over the place.  I start seeing them ~4 months
ago (manufacturers plates), and have seen no less than 20 this week alone
(not manufacurers plates, but some had dealers plates).  Of course this
isn't counting the ones I saw while working for Chrysler.

>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

Brian
-- 
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Senior Systems Programmer           minnebo@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ultrix)
Oakland University, Rochester MI.   minnebo@argo.acs.oakland.edu (VMS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So)
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:48:51 GMT

edj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (edward.jung) writes:

>My wife drives an 89 Accord and I drive a 90 Integra.  Both cars came with
>the Michelin MXV tires and they had one redeeming quality: The original tires
>still passed inspection after 60000 miles on them.  OK, my wife drives pretty
>tame but I drive my car like a madman (I found out that my car has a rev
>limiter at about 7500 rpm.)

>The tires sucked in the rain.  No arguments here.  It was scarry to drive
>the Integra whenever the road was wet.  At speeds higher than 45mph I would
>feel the car losing traction constantly.  This month I put Pirelli P500's on 
>both cars.  During a rainstorm last week I cautiously crept the speed up to
>get a feel for how the Pirellis drove.  I found myself quickly up to 65mph
>without a single twitch out of the tires.  I drove through puddles just to
>see if the tires would hydroplane and they didn't.

>When I went to shop for tires I was looking for something in the 
>"high performance all season" or "high performance M+S" category.  I was
>going to purchase Bridgestone Potenza HP41's, but decided to take a
>chance and buy the Pirelli's (everyone seems to have a special on them.)

>The Pirelli's at $60 a tire were only a few bucks more expensive than the 
>Bridgestones and were much cheaper than the MXV's or XGT-H4's.  The treadwear
>rating on the Pirellis are better than the MXV's also (220 vs 180, I think.)

>(If anyone has any inside info on the Pirelli P500's, like, they melt on
>a hot summer day or they blow up on Friday the 13th, let me know.)

>Ed Jung
>e_jung@att.com


I also find the Pirelli P500 to be quite OK on my 90 Honda
CRX Si as far as rain goes. I had the Yoko AX323 before
that and it was quite dangerous in the rain here in Edmonton.
However, I haven't got to drive the P500 on snow yet --
that's why I bought the P500 in the first place (I was
sick of changing and balancing tires at least twice a year:
summer to snow ad infinum).
 
BTW, the Yoko had better grip and cornering in the dry.
However, I think the difference has something to do with
tire pressure. I used 30 psi on all 4 tires with the Yoko
and 32 psi on all 4 tires with the P500.
I am now trying the 34 psi on the front and 30 psi on the back
combination with the P500 and it seems that handling
improves noticeably.
Maybe someone will tell me that I am messing up the
suspension with this combination on the CRX.


--------------------------------
Joseph So
Mathematics, U of Alberta, Edmonton
joseph@hyper.math.ualberta.ca
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Polish VW Joke
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:36:28 GMT
	<1992Aug28.172233.17611@linus.mitre.org>
	<1992Aug28.231329.2437299@locus.com> <BtuwJx.IpA.2@cs.cmu.edu>
	<1992Sep3.101127.341@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 15:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.101127.341@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

   > Do you know why Polish jokes are so short?
   > 
   > So that American's brain cells won't overload!

The Polish jokes really puzzled me, frankly, until I remembered that the
Polish joke is the American equivalent of the British "Irish joke", the
French "Belgian joke", and for all I know the German "Austrian joke" and the
Hungarian "Romanian joke" and the Spanish "Portuguese joke"...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: watson@wink.corp.sgi.com (David M. Watson, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW M3 VS. BMW 325
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:36:59 GMT
	<1992Aug24.184247.24199@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mtn. View, CA


Richard Welty wrote:

  > many are the drivers
  > who bought an M3 who would have been much, much happier with a
  > 325is.  but at the track, M3s are staggeringly fast.

  > cheers,
  > richard
  > -- 

Agreed.  I spent a long time looking for the 325is I eventually bought
instead of getting one of the many easily available M3s.  With some
careful modification, I expect to make my 325is into just the right
compromise between daily driveability and performance, and it's not as
much of a showoff either.  The E30 version (at least) of the M3 goes too
far to be practical for me, both in looks and behavior.

 -D.
From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Help! Janspeed in Sweden (Exhaustsystem)
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:36:35 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

Hi...
In '88 I bought a Janspeed exhaustsystem for my Ford Escort XR3i.
In a short time it will start breaking down.

Problem: The company in Sweden who sold it (Rennsport) does not
exist anymore.

Quiz: Is there anyone out there in netland who knows if it is poss-
ible to get a new one in Sweden or maybe in Scandinavia.

Ok, I know I can buy a Ford system but then I also have to buy
a new EGR-valve (~200 USD) AND....

the exhaustsystem is GOOD!!!

		Tomas

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From: cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Taylor Evert)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Mini Van
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:58:07 GMT
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems

In article <19483@drutx.ATT.COM> jdon@drutx.ATT.COM (BookJD) writes:
> Took a trip to Minnisota with my son and pregnant wife
> in a Jeep Cherokee w/o a/c. I am now in the market for
> a mini van with dual a/c. Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks in advance, J. Don

Mercury is coming out with a new minivan which is a joint project with 
Nissan called the Villager.  It will be built by Mercury and sold by both 
Mercury and Nissan.   It's been getting rave reviews in many auto 
publications.  It sounds like it is worth checking out.   I drive an 
Aerostar, and have been satisfied with it also although the design 
isbecoming somewhat dated.

Mark T. Evert
Friendswood, TX

My opinions are my own.
From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Haggling with car dealers
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:26:12 GMT
Reply-To: ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!tmn1.austin.ibm.com!tung
Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations Division.

Haggling techniques I have used:	

1.Time your buy. Buy and take delivery in the last week before 
  Christmas. The dealers will generally have tax liabilities on
  cars which are still on their lots on Jan 1. Sales are also slow
  at this time of year, and the salesmen and managers have Christmas
  expenses coming up, too.
2.Know exactly what you want. Make, model, acceptable colors (more than
  one helps), options, everything. No "should I get this one or this
  one?" and no opportunity for the salesman to switch you to another
  vehicle. Test drive the cars for some days before haggling so that 
  you can conduct the deal by phone, and will not need to see the actual
  car.
3.Know the dealer's costs as accurately as you can. Use the techniques 
  extolled here and elsewhere to find out as close as possible to the
  cost to the dealer for the car. Use this to set a fair price in your
  own mind, generally $400 or so above for normal deals, more for high
  demand cars.
4.Arrange your financing beforehand. Have the loan ready except for 
  the final ink. Have your car sold privately beforehand. Do not be open
  to "creative deal offers" involving financing.
5.Shop the deal by phone. Get the phone numbers of every dealer of your
  selected car within a radius of one day's drive by car or $100 by 
  plane. This should be on the order of 30 dealers or so. Call the dealers,
  explain politely that you want to buy a car, and take delivery before
  Christmas, and that you know exactly the car you want. Make it clear by 
  your manner and voice that you have little emotion invested in this, its
  just a business deal. Tell the dealer that you are calling every dealer 
  in - whatever your area is-  and that you will buy the best deal on that
  car. Some dealers will not be interested - that's OK, there are more. 
  There will be several that are willing to do a deal this way. If you live
  out of the dealer's immediate area, they may be more inclined to deal with
  you since they will not have to play mother hen to the car afterwards.
  Tell them your best bid so far, and/or what you want to pay. There are 
  advantages both ways, depends on the person on the other end of the phone.
  (My wife is better at this than I am, better empathy I guess; its
  an individual talent.)
6.Make the deal, go pick up the car. Make it clear that you will walk if 
  the delivered car is not in good shape at your pre-closing inspection.
  
You will hear some noise about the dealer taking better care of you if
you bought it through them. Ignore this. The warranty is honored by all 
dealers. If I thought a dealer treated others worse because they did not
buy from there, I'd go elsewhere.

Works for me.
From: dlou@KRUSHER.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:54:51 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <VBREAULT.92Sep2104354@rinhp750.gmr.com>, vbreault@rinhp750.gmr.com (Val Breault) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep02.010828.24870@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
|> 
|> <some provocative flame bait deleted>
|>    You see, carburetors have been the subject of much study for decades.
|>    And there have been several enterprising groups who have developed
|>    carburetors and engine systems which are hyper-efficient by 
|>    comparison to today's standards, but only par for the course where
|>    scientific development is concerned.  I once read an article which
|>    stated, as I recall, that one such fuel-injection system promised
|>    to double the effective power of its engine, while extending gas
|>    mileage to well over 130 (that's one hundred thirty) miles per
|>    gallon.  On a news program years ago, I saw a group of college
|>    students who had developed a carburetor that guaranteed at least
|>    100 miles per gallon of regular unleaded gasoline.
|> <more provocative flame bait deleted>
|> GM did it.  Unlike some "high mileage" cars, this one is a serious 
|> street legal car.   A lot of VERY bright people worked on it.  It is 
|> BRUTALLY expensive.  It will NEVER be produced.  The reason will be 
|> clear shortly.

Val supports our motto.

We have a saying around here: "Research is for demonstrating an
architecture.  It is the duty for industry to develop and push
that architecture to the limit."  Just because something exists
doesn't mean it's desirable or practical, only feasible.



-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Automotive Electronic Mailing Lists
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:30:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com (richard welty) writes:
>
>Archive-Name: rec-autos/part2
>
>Automotive Mailing Lists (Electronic Mail, that is):
>
>Lotus
>	 (this list has moved; i'm sure the list admin will
>             post a followup with the correct address -- rpw)

I have sent mail on four different occasions stating where the Lotus list
has moved to, but the messages don't seem to be getting through.

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The Lotus Cars mailing list has moved.  If you wish to join the Lotus Cars
mailing list, send mail to:

    lotus-adm%esprit.uucp@netcom.com

In case you missed it the first time, if you wish to join the Lotus Cars
mailing list, send mail to:

    lotus-adm%esprit.uucp@netcom.com

Incidentally, the list did not just move.  It shut down in April 91 and was
restarted in July(?) 92.

alan
esprit@netcom.com
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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <jgraham-030992111615@end.chem.indiana.edu>, jgraham@bio.indiana.edu (Jim Graham) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.043346.22242@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, markr@mot.com
>(Mark) wrote:

>> Well, I am a little confused, there must be a whole lot of people,
>> like you, who believe that ultra efficient engines running on
>> alternative fuels are possible and cost-effective, so why don't you
>> get together and invest money into the technology and possibly make
>> a fortune ?

>Your confusion stems from your concept of "cost-effectiveness". It is tied
>to a rather limited view of the possibilities as contrained by the current
>economic framework here in the U.S.

Jim, I think you're confused about your concept of "cost-effectiveness".  It
is _defined_ in terms of _any_ and _all_ factors that apply, including very
broad parameters such as economic systems (whether capitalist or otherwise).
This is not a limited view, it is a realistic one.  If you want to change the
fundamental economic basis of the entire country then you have more fundamental
problems than what fuel cars are going to use.

>If such progress were made, the driving force would not come from a few
>individuals trying to "make a fortune". That is the problem rather than the
>solution.

That sounds suspiciously like a slam against capitalism.  I have a standard
response to that:  Show us a system that results in more freedom and a higher
standard of living.  More of either is okay, but it cannot provide less of
either.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
How about we all do something reasonable?  I bet that'll confuse 'em!
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Polish VW Joke
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:58:36 GMT



>A man was sentenced to 4 years in Poland because he was caught
>smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.

>It is said that the Polish judge gave him an extra year in jail because
>the engine was running during the smuggling operation (hazardous).

>Another man was sentensed there to 1 year in jail because he was 
>smuggling a car battery under the seat of an Audi 5000S. :)

>jle


Another Joke about Polish and VW Bugs I've heard:

Two Polish guys who just bought their own VW Bug decided to test drive their
cars. While driving, one of the cars stalled, so they poped the hood open to 
check the engine. <They've opened the hood and..>

Polish owner:  OH MY GOD, no wonder the car isn't running. Somebody stole the 
               engine.
Polish friend: Damn, hmm.. don't worry, I have a spare one in the trunk.

heehee

Issa
From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: In Search of Morris Minor
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:18:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


If the above post was not a major put on,
I suggest you seek SERIOUS professional brain care!

Jeff
Who cannot understand why anyone would WANT a Morris Minor...
Newsgroups: rec.autos