HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: How did Australia and New Zealand Decimalise?
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:10:58 GMT

In article <BspsDD.GoD@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
> In the 50's both Australia, Uk and NZ all had pounds shillings and
> pence, now all are decimalised.
> 
> The UK did it by going from 240 pence in the pound to 100 new pence
> in the pound.  they kept the pound the same but messed about with
> the subunits - so causing massive problems and possibly suffering
> and distress to people as they struggled to cope with the conversion
> of 1 old penny being 5/12 of a new penny.

To say that this is an overstatement is an understatement. There were no
'massive problems' or any real 'suffering and distress' except to maybe
the elderly who normally take unkindly to change generally. Only the
copper coinage needed to be changed so the money was still familiar. The
prices were marked in both old and new units for sometime to help the
adjustment. Every shop had conversion tables prominently displayed. The
main problem I remember was that shops tended to round up in the
conversion so there was a small upwards blip in inflation.

>    In the UK they chose to mess about with the value of the sub-unit
> so putting the slight inconvenience this would have caused financiers
> and banks ahead of the great distress it caused normal people.

Only this 'slight inconvenience' would have been to globally revoke
pounds and replace them with new currency unit. Harldy a small matter
and hardly cheap. At least the way it was done it only affected those
inside the country, and even then not seriously.

Simon.

  Simon Patience
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From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Ug Boots
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <36954@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>
>A friend and co-worker of mine here in San Diego is looking for a
>genuine pair of Ug Boots from Australia.  Anyone in OZ know how much
>they cost, and whether they are available on some sort of mail order
>(from someone like Myer, etc.)?
>
>
>Your help would be genuinely appreciated.
>
>
>Tom Marvan.


The Australian Catalogue Company in Raliegh, NC (sorry 'bout the spelling)
carry UGG boots.  Let me know if you can't find a listing and I'll post
the address (again, I posted it for some Vegemite a while ago).


-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Cordless phone in Oz
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:47:14 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug11.222435.20178@unixg.ubc.ca> kothav@jaeger.geog.ubc.ca (Zavareh Kothavala) writes:
>There is a possibility of me doing a year-abroad program in Australia
>and would prefer to use my (cordless) telephone rather than rent one
>there.
>
>I was told that the phone jacks in Australia are different from the 
>modular (snap-in) jacks used in the US and Canada.  
>
>Does anyone have any experience in this matter.  Would I be
>able to get the necessary adaptors or would I have to splice
>the telephone cable. 
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Zav Kothavala                       :Department of Geography
> Graduate Student                    :University of British Columbia
> e-mail: kothav@geog.ubc.ca          :#217-1984 West Mall
> Phone: (604) 822-2663 (Department)  :Vancouver, B.C.  V6T 1Z2
>        (604) 222-4164 (Home)        :CANADA
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cordless phones are an illegal import into Australia.  I guess that this is
because they would run on different frequencies and upset the usage of
said frequencies by legitimate users.
You can buy cordless phones over there though.
I  haven't heard of the modular jacks being any different to Canada,
the older style plugs are certainly different but converter-plugs are
relatively cheap.
-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Hassan Mutlu
Keywords: How could I complain?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 03:23:52 GMT

I remember that somebody posted an address for complaining about
Hassan Mutlu's cross posting. Could you please repost the address.
I think It is going to be handy after all.

                   Sincerely,


                   V. Tarokh
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Hear Hear
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:47:21 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <seYHZxO00XNIEMN1xE@cs.cmu.edu>, Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 18-Aug-92 Re: Ice T
>> maj@waikato.ac.nz (1179)
> 
>> I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
>> sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
>> of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.
> 
> No, it's "Hear! Hear!" and I offer in support of this claim, a book
> reference:
> 
> Author       Freeman, William, 1880-
>              Contributors:  Howe, Quincy, 1900- editor.
>              Williams, Gluyas, 1888- illus.
> Title        HEAR! HEAR! An informal guide to public speaking: after
> dinner;
>              on the lecture platform; over the radio,by William Freeman,
>              illustrated by Gluyas Williams, edited for America with
>              additional chapters by Quincy Howe.
> Publisher    New York, Simon and Schuster, 1941.
> Description  book  ix, 180 p., 1 l. incl. plates. 19 cm.
> Subjects     Oratory.
> 
> 
> Michael

I suppose that I have to back down under the weight of this erudition.
Upsetting ! 
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Telecom price hike (again)
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:55:58 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug14.010046.28463@actrix.gen.nz>, patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
> Yesterday Telecom announced several price increases:
> * Local calls from cardphones will now cost 40 CENTS/MINUTE!
>   International calls from payphones rise between 20 and 40%.
>   Cellphone charges increase too.

Not quite right. Toll charges from cardphones are increasing. Included in 
this is toll calls which used to cost 20c a minute (i.e., the same as local 
calls cost - this is mainly between neighbouring call areas) will increase 
to 40c. There used to be an initial charge of 20c on top of the per minute 
charge, and this is being dropped, so a one minute call will still cost the 
same.

I took the cellphone charge to refer to calls to cellphones from 
cardphones.

> * The cost of renting a phone will rise 67% -- from $2.40/month
>   to $4.01/month ($48/year) -- this inccludes the old dial phones.
>   Phones are sold for $12.95 upwards so this charge seems slightly
>   excessive.

Agreed. The obvious answer is to buy a phone, but even this isn't so easy 
for people with limited funds.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:59:11 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <2287@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
> 
>>patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
>>>There are many systems offering Usenet news and e-mail.  But for
>>>Telnet/Usenet/ftp etc. you're best to signup for Wellington City
>>>Council's CityNet service.  It's totally free and there are free
>>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>TANSTAAFL!
> 
> Sorry but could you tell me what that means in ordinary English? ? ? 
>

There aint no such thing as a free lunch
[Reference "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", R.H. Heinlein]
 
> Dave
> 
> --
> Dave McLane 
> JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
> Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:52:11 +1200
From: Bernard_Willis@f190.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Bernard Willis)
Subject: Maori violence
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Comment-To: Cathy_Maryon@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Cathy Maryon)
Organization: Whakapapa - The Genealogy BBS - Auckland NZ 

 * Original to Tipene Chrisp at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
 * Forwarded Sun Aug 16 1992  01:52:11 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet

I heard Tipene O'Regan being asked if he thought that non recognition 
of the Maori Fisheries recommendation re Ngai Tahu could lead to violence. 
Tipene hesitated for a time then guardedly said that it could perhaps do so, 
or words to that effect. I think that Ross Meurant 
calculates that he is not going to get Maori votes in Northland but
could well collect a number of Red Neck followers by some of his outspoken 
attacks. It was only on TV that i heard the remark by Tipene,
not in person.
I have to agree about violence, Able Tasman would probably back you
up. I expect that he was somewhat less racist than the canoe load of
attackers. The sorry story has continued off and on since then.
The suppression of the Maori Language in schools was largely at the
request of tribal Kaumatua who had the good sense to know that Maori
in a Pakeha world needed to speak English. As we all know the attitude
was carried on for too long and did almost wipe out the usage of Maori
in many areas. There is a good deal of reverse racism << preduice and21
antagonist attitudes not to mention intolerance to be found on the non
Pakeha side too don't you think. I personally would not like to see us
Pakeha side too don't you think. We do not want polarisation of any kind. 
Accusing one section or the other of being violent should be avoided in my 
opinion, we want constructive positive suggestions, not negative ones. 
Lebanon and what was YugoSlavia are on the other side of the world; we want 
their style of hatred to stay there.
My suggestion is to cut out Rugby for a start, that is very violent.
Kia ora koe Tipene
                   Na Bernard Willis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re:  Ice T
From: barton@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Richard Wolfe)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:46:50 +1200
Organization: Tornado BBS, Wellington, New Zealand.

banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks) writes:

>  starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan) writes:
>  
>  > We need ice t to educate us ?
>  > how do you mean we should follow his songs and shoot cops
>  > kill our mums suppose he had said KILL University students
>  > that would be ok with you ?
>  
>     I was wondering if someone else would touch on the simplest explination
>  as to why the Police don't like Ice T's songs. I can sympathise with their
>  feelings as to the intent of his song, after all I wouldn't appreciate
>  someone touring singing a song that advocated killing computer science
>  students. However I don't think this means they should ban Ice T all
>  together. Perhaps the song but not the artist and his other work.
>  
>  > why is it that some of you uni students (not all or even most)seem to 
>  > think that you hold all the answers to the worlds problems get out of 
>  > school and live life a little find out what the real world is like 
>  
>     Oh no... not another 'Get a *real* life you useless student' person. Have
>  you considered the whole reason I am a student is so that I am prepared to
>  get a job and a real life? No too simple I expect... I mean do you think I
>  enjoy the effective workload of a job and *not* getting paid for it?
>  
>      Philip
>  
Students are not particularly violent, dumb example.  Of course Ice T
should have his song played.  The minute you limit speech, of any form, 
you create dangerous precedents for the opression of any viewpoint not 
accepted by the "majority" (read: the dominant culture or organisation)  
Cop Killer does not spring from the haphazard association of words done 
for a laugh, or even just to piss people off.  It comes from real 
resentment towards the exertion of just such controlling behaviour as 
previous correspondents recommend.  If it's really not fit for YOUR ears, 
and you are truly the only person who can judge, the turn it off (the 
ultimate sanction).  Bear in mind that others have the ability to think 
and make similar or disimilar judgements for themselves.  Notice that the 
real fuss was kicked up by the police, who are already beginning to stir 
up similar resentment in this country by their heavy handed attitude to 
people of minorities (read: the opposite of majority), as well as those 
from lower economic groups.  Music is meant to be enjoyed, and if your 
cup of tea has no ice in it, that's no reason to pull the plug out of the 
freezer.
P.S this was written on a friend's username
p.p.s these views are my own.
p.p.p.p.s I think that's everything
           love
                Stephen Pawn
Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:2360 rec.skiing:5344
From: klox@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.skiing
Subject: New Zealand Snow Report 20-Aug-92
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:07:16 GMT
Organization: University of Otago

Back by popular demand:

Coronet Peak:
Excellent skiing on entire mountain with 1.3m upper mountain and 85cm
lower mountain bases. 5cm of new snow on upper mountain and 1.2cm on 
lower mountain. Moderate northerlies and scattered cloud yeaterday. 
Road clear, chains required from skippers saddle.

The Remarkbles:
5cm of new snow fell on Tuesday nigth onto 1.6m upper mountain and
1.2m lower mountain bases. High broken cloud and light weterlies
yesterday. Chains required from the 8km mark.

Mt Dobson:
10cm of new snow has fallen and all facilities operating. Weather
yesterday was high cloud and light winds. Chains required on access
road.

Temple Basin:
Good skiing in soft conditions with a 2.7m average base depth. Cloudy
yeaterday with light snowfalls and moderate north-westerlies.

Cardrona:
10-15cm of new snow has fallen onto an average base depth of 50cm to
2m plus. Light Northwesterlies blowing yesterday with high cloud and
possible snow showers. All facilities operating. Chains should be
fitted and 4wd vehicles should carry chains.

Treble Cone:
8cm of new snow has fallen at the base and 25-30cm on the upper
mountain onto an average base of 80cm to 2m plus. Weather yesterday
was broken overcast and clearing with increasing westerlies through
the day. Snow showers predicted.

Waiorau Nordic Ski Area:
New snow fell on Tuesday night. Nordic trails groomed. Weather clear 
with a light northerly on the ridges, calm in the valleys.

Harris Mountains Heliskiing:
Flying subject to weather. Fresh powder on a 1.5-2m base. Excellent
skiing when the weather clears. Flying in the Harris or Buchanan
Mountains.

Mt Hutt:
Snowing lightly yeaterday and 5-10cm of new snow fell on Tuesday onto
a 1.5m base. All facilities operating. Chains should be fitted.

Summit Wind     ====      The Keen Edge To Adventure
PO Box 6211
Dunedin                   Email:   klox@otago.ac.nz
New Zealand               Voice:   (03) 488 3575
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Telecom price hike (again)
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:52:36 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug15.182757.354@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.083525.10486@actrix.gen.nz>, Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> > patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
> > > inflation is at below 2%, and two weeks ago Telecom announced
> > > an annual profit of $402 million -- not bad for a country of
> > > 3.5 million people  in the middle of a depression.
> 
> but thats ONLY about $130 per person, surely they can do better??
> 
> > Telecom's profit/line averages about NZ$260/annum. In the US, the average is
> > about US$110. Clearly, we are making Telecom better-than-US profits in an NZ
> > economy.
> 
> yeah, but in the USA there has always been compeditition for subscribers,

In the US, there is very little - if any - competition for residential
telephone service. It is not economic to do it. Tolls, yes. Residential/local,
no way - just like in NZ.

Steve

-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | If you don't vote for MMP on 
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  September 19, 1992, then you 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  must like things the way they 
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       |  are.....can I live with YOU?
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: NZ Power Problems?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:14:45 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc


Seen no posts on this for a while. Have your problems gone away? I guess
the S Island snow must be beginning to melt now.

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
Fax:	+44 473 637614					England
From: Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Sir Robert Muldoon Dies
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:30:21 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug11.234031.25131@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> 
> New Zealand will never be a self-sufficient country and borrowing is
> not such a bad thing, its the way you go about reducing the national
> debt. 


!!!!!! Holy cow !!!!!!

Earth calling meachen, earth calling meachen.  Do you read?  Over.

-- 
Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz   Twisted pair: +64 4 477 2116
BIX: brucehoult                 Last Resort:  PO Box 4145 Wellington, NZ
"Cray's producing a 500 MIPS personal computer with 256MB RAM and 8 GB
hard disk that fits in your pocket!"   "Great!  Is it PC compatible?"
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:24:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.seYcCq_00XNI0Q7Xhm
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 19-Aug-92 Electronic
> Matchmaker Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal. (866)

New Zealander women, having a problem finding a New Zealander man?

What  about woman New Zealanders who neither want nor need to find a New
Zealand man, but who would prefer to find another New Zealand woman. Or
conversely?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: anorris@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Andrew Norris)
Subject: Re: Sir Robert Muldoon Dies
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:32:26 GMT

In article <Geoff.1agb@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
>hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>In article <Geoff.12fp@equinox.gen.nz>, Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff
>Mccaughan) writes:
>>> He wasn't called "The notorious gang of one" for nothing. He surrounded
>>> himself with incompetent bozos in order to dominate the cabinet
>completely.
>>> A couple of his cabinet ministers were stunningly short in the I.Q.
>>> department, and that's saying something.
>>
>>Yes, indeed.  These folks - Bolger, Birch, Cooper - are now running the
>>country.  While Jim has tryed a little of the Muldoon style in his opera
>
>I was actually thinking of the likes of Merv Wellington and another idiot
>who I am completely unable to recall the name of at the moment.

Colin McGloclen (Phonetic spelling for last name) Left school at 14.

		Andrew N.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:50:12 +1200
From: Richard_Benton@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Benton)
Subject: unflattering newspaper headline
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Comment-To: Cathi_Maryon@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Cathi Maryon)
Organization: Te_Wahapu, Te Punawaru-a-Tuhi ma te Ao Hou 

 * Original to James Swindells at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
 * Forwarded Sat Aug 15 1992  13:50:12 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet

Ki tana kupu o <Aug 11 11:48>, ka mea mai a James Swindells (3:771/210):

 >JS:  MAORIS GET SI FISHERIES.  This is the rather unflattering 
 >JS:  headline in this mornings Dominion.  
...
 >JS:    I disagree with the 
 >JS:  word get, it implies something other than a justifiable return of 
 >JS:  property rights.  

It's not just unflattering, it's also untrue: so far, the "Maoris" have "got" 
nothing at all -- the Waitangi Tribunal has simply RECOMMENDED that property 
rights over certain fisheries be RESTORED to NGAI TAHU, the iwi from which, 
in the Tribunal's judgement, they were wrongfully removed through action of 
the Crown.  You're right about the use of the word "get" -- by itself, it 
implies either a successful grab, or the gaining of something for the first 
time.  "Get back", on the other hand, would have described the Tribunal's 
intent much more accurately (but not the actual state of affairs).  This is 
quite a serious matter (and a very effective propaganda technique), as the 
common use of such misleading expressions in newspaper headlines creates an 
atmosphere of distrust and resentment, undermining both the credibility of 
the Waitangi Tribunal, and Maori claimants in general.