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From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: Washington Post on Qat
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:17:02 GMT
Keywords: Khat

In article <1992Dec24.122013.1220@intacc.uucp> donm@intacc.uucp (Don McKellar) writes:
>The Khat seemed to have the effect of strong coffee with a slight added
>euphoria as the night wore on.  There is, apparently, a small addictive
>factor, on par with Nicotine, I'm told. 

This is the second time in two days I've seen khat described as being only
moderately addictive, "like nicotine".  Nicotine is the most addictive
substance in common use.  It is one of the most addictive drugs known to man.
It just doesn't get much worse than nicotine.

   Thanks awfully,
             Patrick

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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: Death from Caffeine (was Re: caffeine myths)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:02:40 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>> Coffee contains oils which can irritate the digestive track. People
>> who have digestive problems of any kind should try abstaining from
>> coffee for a while to see if their condition improves. This includes
>> decaf coffee, which has the same oils. Homeopaths are also down on
>> coffee because it often antidotes homeopathic remedies.
>
>But if you drink very *strong* coffee, you won't have any problem.
>
>--
>     John Angelo Gnassi                 Lab of Computer Science
>   jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu               Massachusetts General Hospital
>     "Eternal Student"                  Boston, Massachusetts, USA
>     "The Earth be spanned, connected by a Network" - Walt Whitman

'specially not if you're an MIT cs lab student used to being awake 20 hrs a
day...
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:15:37 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University
Keywords: LSD

In article <jah.725854473@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>
>>    LSD is a derivative of a carboxylic acid; it is not acidic itself.  Its
>>two amine functions, which are basic, allow it to form salts with acids.
>
>   Which of the three nitrogens does not protolyse?

    The amide nitrogen does not protonate.
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:42:34 -0500 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MJ and casual sex

session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
 
> He was "a bit more sober" than she? Does that meant that he marijuana 
> didn't get him as high as it did her or that they were also drinking?
> If they had been drinking, your whole point in apparently condemning
> marijuana for her "forgetting" her values is moot.
 
By "he was a bit more sober" I meant he wasn't as high (his subjective
opinion).  They had not been drinking at all.
 
> >The point is, when high you might be a little stupid about remembering
> >your values, not to mention the dangers of unsafe sex. MJ can enhance
> >physical sensations, and my FOAF says they still had a lot of fun even
> >though they didn't actually have sex :-)
 
> I don't think that's the point at all. Hardly anyone "forgets" anything
> while high. Some people tend to say, "oh well, what the hell" and say
> "fuck it" to their values, but they do not forget them. And people
> are more likely to ignore their values than to ignore the dangers of
> unprotedted sex with a casual partner.
 
Sorry for the inaccurate phrasing.  "Fuck it" IS a better and clearer
way of putting it.  In fact, that's almost exactly what she said.  She
wasn't forgetting her personal restrictions on casual sex, just saying
"what the hell, I'll just blow them off this time" or something like
that.
 
I'm not condemning marijuana, just confirming that it can have this
effect.
 
--Bart
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From: nobody@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] leri-l send 
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:45:22 GMT


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From: an3933@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Acid in Holland
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:35:49 GMT


Brand      Strength    Comment
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Banana     120 ug      Andy Warhol's painting - a sheet looks cool. Popular.
Penquin    100 ug      The logo of Penquin Books
Purple OM  120 ug      
Dragon     250 ug      Dragons on a green background
Bart       300 ug      Eight squares constitutes one Bart Simpson with a sling.
                       Bitter taste. Popular.
Anarchy     50 ug      Might have been old.
Strawberry  80 ug
Greenpeace 400 ug?
Microdot   100 ug      Brown 
Microdot   150 ug      Blue (maybe I got these dots mixed up)

Happy trails in '93 !!!

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From: dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Tropanes in 'Taters
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:34:35 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

In a recent post:
 
"There are enough toxins in potatoes to kill you if you eat 7 tons in one 
day." Wayne McDougall, BCNU
 
Now, I've heard that potatoes, being members of *Solanaceae*, contain very 
small amounts of tropane alkaloids (atropine, hyoscyamine, scopalamine). If 
that is the case, the "LD50" for 'taters would not be particularly high. Not 
as high as, say, the "LD50" for Doritos or Cap'n Crunch.
 
I've also head that many people are sensitive to potatoes, and tomatoes, as 
well (another solanaceous plant). With all due respect to Mr. McDougall, I 
think that the maximum safe dosage of potatoes should be lower. I would 
cautiously suggest that nobody eat more than 20 kg (44.1 lbs) of potatoes at 
a time, unless they have a proven sensitivity to this substance. Then, of 
course, they should eat less.
 
As for Cap'n Crunch and Doritos, 50 kg (110.5 lbs) seems to be a good figure 
to work from. With the Cap'n Crunch, remember that you can O-D from the form 
of Vitamin D they add to milk (ergocalciferol, or D-3).
 
Thank you for your time, and remember, Know When To Say When.
 
MdF aka dbt@cellar.org

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Drug Testing/Types of LSD
Keywords: lsd testing
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:17:24 GMT

camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) writes:
>yes, different kinds of blotter mean different kinds of acid. here in
>the northeast, there is a great variety of the kinds of acid one can
>get. (a FOAF tells me). the kind of blotter usually indivates the
>strength and the "cleanness" of the acid.
>for example, any kind of lotus is good, but diiferent color lotus acid
>means different strengths. also blue shield is another i frequently
>hear is nice.

However, the first batch of blue sperm that way layed (laid?) was 
uneven and not very strong.  The rest of them were much more consistant.
The paper its printed on is a clue if someone else has had identical
paper, but its not a guarantee.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Date: 31 Dec 1992 14:19:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
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In a previous article, bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) says:

>In article <1992Dec30.225617.2037@reed.edu> mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna) writes:
>
>
>Just to keep things in perspective, I'd like to point out that many (most?)
>of the people smoking crack and injecting heroin don't have ATM cards and
>probably don't have convenience stores open 24 hours in their neighborhoods.

Oh sigh...sounds like more WoD propaganda.  Let me guess, you think
all crack users live in the inner city etc.....  Let me suggest that
you ask your local suburban teenager what *he* does with a box
of Choreboy....


>people turn to injecting because it requires less drug.  The rush of an
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think you'll find that this is not true, either.


>injection is certainly reinforcing, but it cannot explain why someone would 
>initiate injection (given the increased risks which accompany injecting).  

Maybe for the same reason they'd do anything that might be harmful....
>
>>	_Miguel_
>
>   --M@
P.

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From: an2701@anon.penet.fi
Subject: TEA??
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:24:01 GMT

Hello!
   
    I was wondering if anyone knows anything about a drug which was 
sold under the name "TEA"  (sp).  It was kind of a yellowish-white
flaky substance.  Sometimes I believe it was called "peanut-butter" tea.
I only tried it a few times, but it was quite strong.  You snorted it.
This was way back in 1978 or 1979, and I haven't seen it since.
Any clues??



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From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Date: 24 Dec 1992 12:23:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) says:
>	I knew this guy up in Wisconsin (name withheld by request) who thought
>he became an orange.  He insisted we were all apples and to get away from him
>or he'd turn into orange juice.  Of course, we all chased him aroud the house
>for about 45 minutes, him shouting, "Don't touch me, don't touch me!" all the
>while, just trying to tap him on the shoulder.   As soon as we managed, he 
>dropped to the ground moaning "I'm orange juice, I'm orange juice."

I don't know if this post is a gag, as the thread was also in a.f.u,
but I read "the orange juice story" in book when I was a kid, and 
have seen several references to it by various people over the years.

Jim "OJ" Del Vecchio
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:08:36 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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See my previous post.  Special rules apply to CIA and NSA (and probably
DIA, but I don't recall seeing them listed), but for other DoD agencies
you can't deny based on polygraph evidence alone.  Go to a Federal 
Repository Library and read the directive.

I'll bet that the AF guy admitted drug use after being confronted
by the poly results.
From: anarch@Apple.COM (The Anarch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drugs*+
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:41:49 GMT
Organization: Secular Humanists from Hell

In article <18722@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_LaCasse@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert LaCasse) writes:
>...I hate pot for it's Dimethyl Triptamine counter part...

   What does pot have to do with DMT?

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From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: mailer chokes on shipment of cowdung from overseas, chicken plant
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:03:37 PST

> Well mister please go on and write down your extensive understanding of 
> alcoholism so that we stupidos can also read what it really is. 
> You make yourself sound very creditable, and anyhow all we have received 
> this far is pushing others down and sending them notes in e-mail 
> referring to their brain size & consistency. Even half a life time is 
> not very much if you are under 40 ;-)

	Your problem is not stupidity but an unwillingness to listen or explore
the concepts involved in these messages, plus a basic combativeness arising
from your basic adherence to another agenda besides truth -- much like Xians
will do almost anything to prove the bible "correct."  This is a complicated
issue, but it can be understood, and my messages provide a clue at least toward
it (if they are as badly crafted as you say).  However, your email was mainly
aimed at attempting to either batter me down with bullshit logic (yours) or
provide erroneous attempts to scientificize this process, although it already
has grounding in developed areas of science (Sean's letters are of the latter
type).  

Bucko "We Will Not Be Undersold" Gizm
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From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Subject: Re: Drugs + +
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 12:11:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.142758.12297@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>It's hard to tell.  There's a line about Mother needing something to
>calm her down.  But also, "gets her on her way, helps her through her
>busy day."

Speed can have a calming down effect. If the person taking it is anxious
and restless some speed can make his/her mind more relaxed and concentrated.
This is similar to the effect on hyperactive children.

Petrus
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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:29:35 GMT

In <1i5rt9INN8e2@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:

Hold on.... a question about N2O and Reddi-WHip coming from a fan of whippets:

How many cans of Reddi-Whip does it take to get a good, full, N2O hit?




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From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: MPTP (was Re: MDMA and self-esteem)
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.073154.15839@u.washington.edu> lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>MPTP is produced by a synthetic error in making MPPP, which is an opiate
>whose chemical formula I don't seem to have on hand.  From what I read on

As well as I remember, from having looked into this a few years ago,
MPPP is the propanoate ester of 4-phenyl,4-hydroxy,N-methylpiperidine.


         Me                                     Me
         |                                      |
         N            this can lose             N
       /   \          propanoic acid          /   \
      CH2   CH2       to give                CH2   CH2
      |     |                                |     |
      CH2   CH2                              CH2   CH
       \   /                                  \  //
         C                                      C
       /   \ O                                  |
      Ph    OC3H5                               Ph

        MPPP                                   MPTP

MPTP is oxidized _in vivo_ to MPP+, the toxic species.  I think
deprenyl showed some indication in preventing the oxidation.
I don't think MPTP has any opiate activity itself, and I believe it
was produced simply by accident.  The reaction MPPP -> MPTP goes
rapidly as temperature is increased.

A technical note: I say MPPP loses propanoic acid rather than
water because I don't think the free hydroxy compound is ever
isolated in the synthesis.  And, of course, it is made via
everyone's favorite organic name reaction, the Grignard.
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From: chuckies@cs.mcgill.ca (Charles J. Savoie)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:05:05 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <92356.153526MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP) writes:
>
>  IMHO, this is the entire point of those ads on TV (the cartoon and car&
>  tree&couple necking in back - learn to be more responsible.  Either don't
>  become intoxicated (MJ/alcohol/etc.) (the preferred method) and don't have
>  sex or if you're going to have sex, don't become impaired to the point that
>  you forget about such things as contreception and safer-sex practices.
>
>      - David

What? Nonononono.... This was a Partnership for a Drug-Free America ad...
The ad ended with "AIDS - ANOTHER way Drugs can KILL".  It wasn't about
responsible anything... It was about DON'T DO THIS and DON'T DO THAT
or you'll DIE.  Also, the fact that they mentioned marijuana in the ad
as one of the drugs the guy did, then tack on "another way drugs can kill"
implies that marijuana has actually killed someone...  HA!  Now kids
will grow up believing that marijuana can kill you.  They will grow
up ignorant.

Charles


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From: mikesw@microsoft.com (Mike Swift)
Subject: LSD on Dragnet
Date: 04 Jan 93 00:38:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa


Did anyone catch Dragnet on Nickelodeon last night?  They were running a
top 10 classic sitcom countdown, and Dragnet was number 4.  The particular
episode was they're famous LSD episode, and starts off in the months before
LSD was illegalized, with Friday picking up kids who'd lost they're minds
at acid tests, etc.  They have a chemist describe the effects of LSD, which
are pretty much all negative - hallucinations, nausea, full-strength
flashbacks, etc.  At the end the LSD dealer, "Blue Boy" dies of an overdose.

It seemed to me they were a bit negative, but maybe I was imagining things...


- Mike
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From: an4350@anon.penet.fi
Subject: poppies
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:18:43 GMT


Does anyone know if commonly available varieties of poppies will produce
usable quantities of opium? 

Just a theoretical interest of course...

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From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mushrooms/coming down
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:19:33 GMT
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <725940898snx@scarla.UUCP> darinf@scarla.UUCP writes:
>Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of 
>mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.
>
>

	to combat the hell of coming down, or to ease cramps and crap like
that i usually smoke some pot after i've been trippin/shrooming for a while. 
it extends the trip a little longer and eases all the aches and pains.  and
you can always smoke a LOT of pot and just fall asleep and not have to worry
about coming down at all.  other than that i wouldn't know....

				-jh


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:35:55 -0500 
From: Elliott Conan Evans <ee0r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cloves - Where else would I ask?

plord@pioneer.uspto.gov (Paul Lord) writes:
> Can anyone clarify a few questions about clove cigarettes for me?
> I have heard the following unsubstantiated rumors:
> * Cloves contain no nicotine

Well, every clove cigarette I've ever bought was a clove and tobacco
blend, so I would tend to say that this one is wrong.

> * Cloves make your lungs bleed

If you smoke large numbers of them for extended periods of time. Of
course, your mileage may vary, and my main data point for this is a
Sixty Minutes expose, so caveat emptor.

> * The resin in cloves crystallizes in your lungs

I haven't heard this one, and have no idea about it's truthfulness.

plord@pioneer.uspto.gov (Paul Lord) writes:
> Since I can't find a smoking/nicotine related froup:

Is there any sort of tobacco/nicotine faq anywhere? I'd be interested
in helping construct one, if not.

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