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From: rowats@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Rowat)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Potential first time Dog owner - questions, etc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:43:36 GMT
	<1992Oct7.224522.2654@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Small Systems Software, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 22:45:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.224522.2654@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Deborah Trytten) writes:


   I remember the day that my childhood dogs died as if it were yesterday.
   November 11, 1983.   You have my sympathies.
I hate even thinking about Cato dying, it brings tears to my eyes.

   32, single, and live in an apartment.   

   On weekends, I spend at least one full day at home with them.   I

On weekends, I spend at least one full day *away* from home with him. You
know, the cottage, mountain biking on the trails in Gatineau hills,
harassing friends, etc.

   >* Sleeping habits

   Both dogs sleep on the bed with me.   They fall asleep when I do

It seems that lately, I sleep on the bed with Cato, since he likes to
sleep in the middle of the bed!

   and make me get up when I hit the snooze button the third time.
   Apparently I'm allowed to get 20 extra minutes of sleep, but not 30.

Cato is polite enough that he doesn't lick my face until I acknowledge
him and tell him that I'm awake.

   My guys aren't puppies now (7 and 12 years old).  I adopted Cali,

I fear my dog will always be a puppy!  I'm sure I'll always call him 
puppy.  People give me a hard time when I call my 65lb baby a puppy--
they just don't understand :-)

   >* Cleanliness & obedience

   My guys shed.  So I vacuum a bit more.   They both are very well

Yup, can't skip a week of vacuuming when you have a dark brown rug (ugh!)
and light coloured dog hair.

   housebroken.  I don't recall ever coming home to a mess.   I took

Cato only makes a mess if he is sick (eg,, has the runs), and then
is it a MESS.


   >* Any other concerns that I should be aware of as a potential dog
   >  owner (I am sure that I am missing quite a few)

   It does tie you down.  For example, impromptu trips out of town for
   the weekend have to be planned.  You also get the added expense
   of kennels when you want/need to travel.    There will be times

I always try and bring the dog with me.  If not, I luckily have 4 
different friends who can look after Cato for varying lengths of time.
Be prepared to reciprocate though.

   Incidentally, you might consider getting two dogs.  They will keep

But don't get 2 puppies at the same time.  They'll form their own pack
excluding you, and all sorts of misbehaviour can happen then.  

   each other company while you are at work.  My first dog is noticably
   happier since I adopted the second one.  I should have done it  much
   sooner than I did. 

Since I kicked my last roommate out (owner of Bob-the-dog, I've been a 
lot happier but Cato lost his best friend.  Other than the German Collie
in San Fran, anyone know of one in the Ottawa area?

Stephen Rowat
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Should I get dog in Berkeley
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:33:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct13.193340.23846
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In <vincent-071092132454@whe1mac1.berkeley.edu> vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee) writes:
>however most people are saying don't because it takes alot of time to take
>care of. 

In article <auwen.718490184@convex.convex.com> auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:
>It's hard, if not impossible, to housebreak a puppy if it's left alone
>all day.  I suggest getting the pup when you'll have at least 2-3 weeks
>off to be at home with it.  Using proper housebreaking techniques, you
>can make good progress within 2-3 weeks.

My mom came to visit for a month starting the day before Kelsey came
home.  Since I'm not havin' kids, I thought it was appropriate in a
cosmic kind of way and she thought it was a good excuse to visit for a
month.

After that, I made sure I could come home at lunch and play with her and
take her out (Kelsey, not mom :-) until she was almost a year old.  Then
I tapered off and by the time she was trustworthy out of the crate she
could be left alone all day.  As a student, you should be able to get
your schedule arranged to facilitate something like this.  Good luck.

Robbin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:15:25 GMT


I keep my dogs for personal protection as well as companionship.  Notice
I said PERSONAL, not PROPERTY.  If I am attacked, I want my dogs to
jump in on my side.  I couldn't care less if my dogs let somebody walk off
with my stuff.  That's what homeowner's insurance is for.

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Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: toolan@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Rottweilers or something else?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.011108.10601@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp 
writes:

>> If you have never trained a dog before, I would NOT recommend a Rottweiler as
>> a first dog to try. They are MUCH more of a challenge to train than the majority
>> of breeds. There are many more breeds more suitable to a first time dog owner.
>> You would be setting yourself up for a big disappointment and could ruin an
>> otherwise good dog. 
> 
> You think so, eh?  So what would be the most suitable and similar dog in your
> opinion?  I do like most everything I have heard about Rotts, and I think they
> are about the best-looking breed around.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps a visit to
> the pound/Humane Society would be the best route?
> 
> 			-Matt

While a visit to the pound or Humane Society might be the route you ultimately
take, be sure to do breed research FIRST--before you take home a dog that may
not be suitable to your circumstances, needs or desires.  Asking questions of
the net readers is a wise thing to do; I know I've certainly learned a lot.

A suggestion:  if you are looking for a largish dog that would be suitable for
apartment/condo living, you might want to consider adopting a Greyhound.  Even
dogs just off the track are extremely laid back.  They do not require 
tremendous amounts of exercise.  They tend to not bark a lot.  Greyhounds
are quite intelligent and easy to train.  If you'd like more information,
let me know; I can probably put you in touch with a rescue group in your area.

		*	*	*	*	*
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	Sharon Toolan		*	My opinions are my own;
	toolan@stsci.edu	*	no one else would want them!
				*	
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	      Make a fast friend, adopt a Greyhound!


Mom to Amber (8 yr old retired racing Greyhound)
       Topaz (3 yr old retired racing Greyhound)



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey)
Subject: Re: Travelling with your dog book.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:38:29 GMT


One book available is called "Traveling with Trouser" and I ordered it...
not worth it!  The very best information available which I have found is
the AAA Travel books on each state.  The hotels sections tell you which
hotel/motels accept pets, amounts of deposit--and if refundable or just
a fee for a pet.  If you are not a member of AAA, you might query friends
who are OR try going to the AAA office and view the books there.
I truthfully don't know what the policy is for looking at the books if you
are a non-member.

Dana Massey
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,news.answers
From: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RCA Victor dog
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis, MD

What kind of dog is the RCA Victor dog?  My dog Heidi is a mutt and
lot of people think she is a Jack Russell Terrier, personally I think
she looks more like a Smooth Fox Terrier (even though her mother was
a Dalmation).

The reason I am asking is that when someone asks me what kind of dog
I have I tell them a mutt, but that doesn't describe her (she is 20
lbs, white w/some black spots, not as many as a Dal).  Anyway, I thought
it would be nice to give them some kind of description and I think she
looks a lot like the RCA Victor dog.

Leila

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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with neighbor!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:16:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct13.141621.12747
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <5OCT199210030723@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu> broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:
>Call the police! When someone threatens to shoot you or your animals, that
>is the time to contact the police. Don't wait until he actually does it.

Unfortunately, here in New York, it is NOT illegal to threaten to shoot,
or apparently to shoot an animal.  The perpetrator may be arrested or
fined for discharge of a firearm in a restricted area, city, or county,
but not for threatening or shooting a dog.  If the dog is valuable, you
may want to sue the shooter, but the cops can't help you.  This is based
on a recent experience in Rochester.

Robbin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:45:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.225916.4984@pony.Ingres.COM>
jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
 
>
>r hardin tells us about:
>> HSUS popping up in literally hundreds of clippings from all over the
>> country intoning solemnly about the viciousness of pit bulls.
>
>Ah yes, hundreds.  Of course, not a single example is produced.
>
>Given hardin's penchant for anything but the facts, we'd be fools to
>accept that there are hundreds on his say-so.  Or even one.
>
>But I don't doubt there is one.  Could be.
>
>What hardin doesn't tell us is that humane societies adopt out pit
>bulls,
 
You carefully ignored something rhardin was very careful to point
out, so I will repeat it (as best I can from memory).  "There are
thousands of "humane societies" around, but one stands out - the
HSUS" (Humane Society of the United States).  This is the national
organization to which many (but not all) local humane belong.  ALL
of rhardin's comments that followed were about the HSUS - and were
quite true.
 
But you asked for examples: so let me give you 1 of how radical
(and far away from it's mission) the HSUS has become.  Last year,
the Virginia Wildlife Dept. planned a deer hunt for a wildlife
managment area where the deer population had grown to exceed the
carrying capasity of the land.  The HSUS made legal manuevers in
court to stop the hunt on the grounds that hunting was cruel to
the deer (apparently more "cruel" than letting them starve to
death).  This, btw, was also the incedent that sparked the
boycott of Sears by the NRA (I think it was Sears) - Sears was
donating money to HSUS at this time (they don't anymore).
 
And apparently the AKC agrees with this assessment of the HSUS;
re-read Charlie Sorsby's post that started this thread - remember
the AKC took exception to a club that made a donation to a humane
society without first checking to make sure that it (the humane
society) wasn't affiliated with HSUS.
 
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Chris Barnes            |
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  I get to give it a try this weekend...
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
From: mdenham@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Obedience Publications and Newsgroup
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:06:44 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Do any of you obedience-types have suggestions for good obedience-
oriented publications/magazines?  I have seen a few of them, but
have not subscribed and not sure which ones are most useful from
month to month.  Are some more helpful to those who are looking
for training tips and some more helpful for those who want to
know who won matches?

Some help/suggestions would be appreciated.

On a similar subject, was there created a news group specifically
focused on obedience?  I seem to remember some threads about that
several months ago, what came of the subject, anybody know?

Thanks for the help,

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pees when excited
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:54:30 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: dewey@centerline.com's message of 9 Oct 1992 19:49:50 GMTLines: 16

In <dewey-091092154642@sebastian.centerline.com> dewey@centerline.com writes:

> I have a 6 month old Akita who pees only during second and subsequent times
> that someone comes to visit. He get all happy to see the visitor, and he
> just goes, in little sprinkles, wherever he's standing. (first visits are
> never a problem because he doesn't know the person yet.)

Called "submissive urination."  Normal. Not a housebreaking mistake.

Suggestion:  *BEFORE* visitor walks into house, tell puppy, "Sit."  Dogs can't
pee sitting down.


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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Jack Russell Terriers?
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:05:54 GMT


Could someone tell me exactly what the status of the Jack Russell Terrier
is?  One person I talked to said it's not recognized as a breed by either
the AKC or the CKC -- is that right?  Is it recognized by other kennel
clubs in other countries, such as maybe Britain?  Or is there some sort
of separate association for Jack Russell owners and breeders?

If the Jack Russell Terrier really is a non-breed, then what is it?  Is it
recognized as some other kind of (crossbreed of?) terrier?

Finally, does anyone have any experience with a Jack Russell?  We've had
several Cairns before -- how would a Jack Russell be different in character
and temperament?

Thanks a million -- I really don't know where I could look up this kind of
stuff!

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Carpet Cleaners
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F856EDA0032631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:57:17 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:04:11 GMT

In article <2AD1D954.18156@news.service.uci.edu> Linda Macdonald,
llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu writes:
>Some time back a few people posted the names of products that could
>be used to remove (hopefully) the smell of dog urine from carpets.  I
>have a patterned carpet, so it doesn't show stains, but I can still
>detect the odor on occasion.  If someone could e-mail me the name
>of the product, I would appreciate it very much.

please let me know also.  Major's made a couple of "mistakes" on
the carpet and when it's humid, these "mistakes" come back to
haunt us...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: Cats and Dogs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:45:45 GMT

My situation is that my husband had 3 cats before
I came along, and two years ago we got our first
puppy and last year our second - both Newfoundlands.

One cat is afraid of its own shadow so keeps a good
distance from the dogs, another cat tollerates the
dogs up until the point where he gets licked and
then he says "EWWWW I have to clean this stuff off
me?  YUCK!"  Then there's the grey cat, Helen... (of Troy)

Helen doesn't take much crap from anyone, ESPECIALLY
dogs!  She had both dogs trained to sit at a "hssss"
and lie down at a "mrowwwl" when they were in the house
for a week.  The dogs LOVE her and want to play with
her SO much!  "Go sniff the kitty" is their favorite
command - of course, it's not Helens.  She hisses and
spits and flails her claws in the air and makes a big
scene of it!  The dogs wag their tails and bow their
heads so she can hit them on the top of the head - OK,
so they're not real bright dogs.

She KNOWS when they are on a down-stay and will walk
around the living room, purring, tail in the air, "I
own the house" look on her face - and they whine and
drool at her.  An "OK!  Go snif the kitty!" really
peeves her at that point!  275 lbs. of black fur taking
off after 12 lbs. of grey fur.....

When we're not home the animals are seperated.  Well,
the dogs are in the back yard and the cats hang around
the front.  I have seen Helen check that the dogs are
asleep and then run through the back yard to the back
door, but she is cautious when we are not around.

It would be great if you could let the animals play when
you are supervising.  I think keeping them seperate would
make them more anxious about each other and the dog could
accidentally pounce too hard forgetting how to play with
the cat, OR the cat could give a good swipe with her claws
in the face if she thinks she is being attacked since she
wouldn't be used to it.
From: 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:28:51 GMT

> 
> I'm glad you're being so thoughtful about this.  Both you and the dog
> you eventually acquire will be better off for it!!


I hope so....My roomate last year kind of got thrown into ownership of a dog
(1/2Doberman 1/2husky) adn he had never even considered owning a dog before
that.  To boot:  He still hasn't even checked a book out of the library to help
him out.  The whole situation is a disaster (at least in my eyes.)  I would
hate to wind up ina situation anything CLOSE to his.  

Anyway...Thanks, and hopefully I can find some compromise in this dog-business.
			:)

		      -Matt
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Basenji
Keywords: dog, basenji
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:12 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs,world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

For information about the breed and a list of breeders belonging to the parent
club, write to the Basenji Club of America Secretary Ms. Susan
Patterson-Wilson, 2973 Dogwood Court, Bremen, IN 46506. Enclose a SASE.

Marget Johnson
marget.Johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
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From: hb0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Helen J. Borek)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: GSD - Urgent Advice on Tumor Requested
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:51:40 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Please excuse the errors this message may contain...


I am in need a advice and any information you may have regarding cancer
of the spleen or lymphatic cancer in German Shepherds.  This is all very
preliminary--thus, the uncertainty of which cancer.  Results are pending
on bloodwork etc.

I have an 12 year old female GSD.  She has been my constant companion
and a good friend since I got her at 3.5 months old.  My first little
girl.  She now has the arthritis in her hips, but she's still a pup at
heart.  Now I have to deal with something I'm not quite ready to...I
figured her arthritis and old age would be her weakness.

It's be a while since I've written to the net but I have a couple of questions
regarding my GSD, Sadie, she is at the vet's now and she has a large mass
in the intestinal/stomach region.  She's 12 (to be 13 on April 26) and the
preliminary diagnosis is cancer of the spleen or lymphatic cancer.  Can
you give me any info or advice? 
 
The suggestion is ultrasound to see exactly where everything is and wait
for the blood work.  The ultrasound has been ordered and the mobile unit
is expected at the vets this afternoon.  

I am bringing her home tonight.  My mom just took her to the vets to
check on the possibility of a kidney infection/diabetes because she's
been drinking excessively and has had the first accidents this week
since she's been housebroken.

Preliminary options...surgery, but she's 12 and has arthritis (somewhat
crippling) she has a hard time getting up and down and we have had
episodes where she tries for quite a while to make the steps.  Diagnosis
with the spleen cancer is about 6 months (with or without surgery).  Or
no surgery and let her live out her life.  
 
I'm sorry this is short, but I can't really see the terminal.  I can't
quite handle this all.  Sorry this message is so jumbled and that I
switch topics, I just can't think straight.
 
Please email responses.  It looks like we will have to make a decision
within the next few days.
 
Thanks for being there!
 
Helen
From: u2zj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Stanton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:13:47 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Oct9.124231.21000@inel.gov>,
kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes: 
> A lot of netters have written with amusing stories of strangers querying
> them as to what breed their dog is.  I find it especially amusing that

I'm a proud new owner of a 3 yr old greyhound, and I must not be used
to it, because someone came up to me the other day and said "whippet?"

I said "Never!"

-Stanton
u2zj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Knapik)
Subject: Alaskan Huskies, Sled Dogs
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:23:31 GMT

Does anyone know the lineage of the Alaskan Husky. They seem to be such a mottly
looking crew. I was wondering how much cross breeding has really gone on and
how one could figure an Alaskan Husky from another type of northern or not so
northern looking dog.

I have done some reading and pretend to understand that they were at least
crossed between Siberian Huskies, Malamutes, wolves and  Miritus Yifter ;)

Also, how do other purebreds fair in long and short distances? Are malamutes
decent choices for long races, or are thay too big and slow, like I've read.





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Jim Knapik
Motorola - Mobile Data Division
knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:36:05 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

In article <1992Oct7.114426.4799@novell.com> micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan) writes:
>
>Even this sometimes doesn't work.  When I'm out with my in-laws
>collie, Patches, I'm often asked what she is.  She is a fully
>registered collie - BUT shes a blue merle smooth.  When I tell people
>shes a collie the standard response is "Well!  She looks NOTHING like
>Lassie!"
>
>Sheesh...
>
The bad part is when they insist that your dog is not the breed that you tell 
them it is.  One person kept insisting that my blue-blooded Bloodhound MUST be
part Shar-pei.  

Julie
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