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From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Kawasaki PWC (was: Re: Split rec.boats?? and Jet Skis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:28:29 GMT
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
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In article <1993Jan27.123047.3049@dbsun.uucp>
 meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer) writes:

>Hi Steve.  Kawasaki has two "high performance" the 750SS which was released
>last year and is essentially the same for this year.  The newest one is
>the 750SS Xi which has dual 40mm carbs, new exhaust pipe etc.
>Not sure which one you are refering to.

>I've ridden the 750SS and was quite impressed (I'm not that experienced, so
>take my comments with a grain of salt).
>The Xi hasn't been available until this model year so I doubt that anyone
>other than industry "insiders" have actually ridden one.

I've ridden the Kawasaki TS and it put me to sleep. I've ridden a couple of 
Sea Doos that were very impressive, but still not quite as maneuverable as 
the X-2 which is my favorite, but of course you can't float on it. I saw the 
SS and SS Xi at the Seattle Boat Show. The Xi has some typical performance 
mods (air box, cylinder head, stainless prop, etc.) and some small sponsons 
which supposedly stabilize the boat at high speed, which has been reported 
to be a problem with the SS. As far as the standard standup style, I haven't 
got much experience and my back gets sore pretty quick, but I like the 550SX 
a lot better than the 650 which is a different hull design. The guy at the 
boat show told me the 750 standard (I forgot the number) has a lighter hull 
like the 550, so I'm anxious to try it. The question is, do I need yet 
another internal combustion device to maintain (3 motorcycles, 3 outboards, 
two cars) and would I really hassle with the wetsuit every time I wanted to 
take the Jet Ski out in the Seattle area? If we get the Catalina 34, the 
question will be moot, and the Sea Ray will be for sale.

Steve
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Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Subject: Re: Liveaboard rent question
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:00:21 GMT

In article <1898@tekgen.bv.tek.com> paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:
>>The irony is that
>>people don't usually liveaboard because they're rich boat owners.  It's
>>usually because they can't afford to buy a house.
>
>Presuming we're talking about North America here, I have to
>respond "oh bullshit".  People around here live aboard because
>they like it.

Yeah, I was speaking off the top of my head and out of habit.  We initially
bought our boat over a year ago because we couldn't afford to buy a house
and knew we wanted to go cruising as soon as possible.  Voila!  We live on
the boat we intend to cruise in.

Now, nine times out of ten, I can't imagine living any other way.  But it's
that tenth time, after a week of rain, when the overheads are sweating, the
portlights are dripping, our foam mattress is soaked on the bottom from the
condensation and I can't drag it up on deck to get it dried out, I'm
beginning to run across the occasional patch of mildew, and a big gust of wind
blows smoke back down the chimney, that I wish we could afford to maintain just
a studio appartment to escape to.  :-)

So, _some_ of the people I know would like to be able to have both their land
dwelling _and_ their cruising boat.  But most often I see people giving up
their land dwelling to live on their cruising boat because they can't afford
both.  Is that a little better?  Personally, I can't imagine wanting to go
back to land fulltime, but it would be nice to be able to afford having the
option especially during the winter.  :-)

-- 
Linda V. Hill                           "Nakia", Hans Christian 33
Network Equipment Technologies          Email: linda@net.com
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Phone: (415) 780-5785
Redwood City, CA 94063 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:24:18 GMT

>>Don't think there's much hope of controling this situation, just
>>continuing to remind people to be careful and don't do those neatsy
>>keen manuveurs on jet skis near other boats.  You want wakes to jump?
>>Go out on the Bay in Force Fives.  But *STAY AWAY FROM OTHER BOATS*.

Here in South Carolina the legislature is in the process of passing a
bill that would force jet ski's to operate at idle-speed any time they
are within 500 feet of shore or any other boat, including other jet
ski's.  Any violators give up all personal rights and are considered
a threat to personal property and life and therefore can be dealt with
using (omit the "D" word) force.  
					:-)  :-)

The above is pure bullshit, but in all honesty, due to an incident that
happened to me last summer, I always carry a camera in the boat now.
A picture of the offender that happens to show the vessel and the
vessel numbers sure helps out the Wildlife, Sheriff, or CG.
From: charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: From Avon to Zodiac
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <93Jan26.093520edt.315@smoke.cs.toronto.edu>  
enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel) writes:
> spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady) writes:
> 
> >The Seven Seas Crusing Association puts out a  
publication on cruising 
> >equipment . . . The most recent one (available for about  
$10) identifies Avon
> >inflatables as being one of the most highly rated  
inflatables and ranks the'
> >Zodiac as being one of the lowest rated.
> 
> Do you remember why?  Also, what is the title of this  
publication?  Do you
> have an address from which it may be ordered?
> 
> I would also be interested in hearing about any other  
"buyer's guide" type
> publications for inflatable boats.  Please post if you  
know of any.
> 
> Robert Enenkel

Both last month and this month's Practical Sailor have a  
review of 18 inflatables. The bottom line is that they  
recommend the Calypso C27, Novurania Whitecap 2.85, Avon  
RollAway R285 and the Zodiac Futura Jr in that order.
--
Charles Spitzer
charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com
Telecom Customer Assistance Center
Stratus Computer, Inc.
Phoenix, AZ  85018
From: kevang@ocf.berkeley.edu (kevan G)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Cal Salmon/Boat Questions
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:21:31 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Hi there all,

        Could someone give me the current rundown on all
the important regs for commercial (specifically salmon
and specifically as a one man show, no 100 footers)
fishing in CA?  I know this has already been discussed
but could someone summarize?  Specifically:

        Rules on transferring licenses (if you even can)
        to a newer boat

        Season

        Rules about what else you can and cant do with your
        boat.

        Who can be on your boat, what they can and cant do.

        How bad is it (price/money-wise)

        Any one willing to teach me the trade in trade
        for a strong back (and only moderately weak mind)

        Any thing else you can think of (including trading
        your Boston Whaler with permit for my old sail boat
        with a porto-potty)

O.K. maybe I am reaching a bit on that last one.  Any way,
any thing you can tell me will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Kevan
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: Origin of Starboard (was Wheel steering on small boats)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:34:48 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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In article <129490007@otter.hpl.hp.com> Brenda Romans,
ber@otter.hpl.hp.com writes:
>What do people use for Port and Starboard in other European
languages, The
>local permutation of the original viking word and the local word for
port?
>
>Cheers
>
>Brenda

Yes, good question, and where did "larboard" come from?
___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cellular Phones
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik) writes:

>Bill, I don't sail offshore, but when I do you can bet that I'll have more tha
>one antenna.  One at the top of the mast, where it's convenient, and one in a
>locker where it's safe.  :-)  Then I can have redundancy and range.  Doesn't
>anybody out there do this?

I keep a spare antenna with 20 feet of cable that will connect either
at the set or at the interior cable connection at the bottom of the mast.

-- Bob

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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:55:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Split rec.boats?? and Jet Skis
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:

    I know this has been hashed over at least once prior, but

More than once.  And every time we think it has been settled, someone
tries to do it again.  Please leave it alone!  This is a relatively
small notes group with a great deal of diversity.  Compare us to
rec.motorcycles sometime, where they get about 150 postings average
each day--I know because I often browse in there for laughs.

This must be a good group, they even put up with my nonsense.

B.S!
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Have unix ever /usr/local/bin experienced?)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Two-day courses offered by North Sail
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:03 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
Keywords: Is it worth it?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C1ILEo.1pz@panix.com>, spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes...
>The North Smart Course and Fast Course are excellent and well worth
>the cost. OTOH, sailhandling is a bit more hands-on than reasoning out
>the best side of the course ....

I'm curious what kind of audience these courses are aimed at. Is this for the
beginning racer, or can someone who has been doing a lot of racing for years
get much out of it?



Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
From: laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Batten thickness/stiffnes
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 08:04:00 -0800

JCT/From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
   /Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

JCT/Is it true that for non-fully battens sail, the primary
   /function of the battens are simply stabalize the trailing
   /edge of the sail to prevent the sail from excessive cambered
   /as wind exit.

        I believe so.

JCT/If this is the case, I would assume that the battens can
   /be as light as possible with sufficient stiffness.

        I'm guessing that they don't have to be *that* light, with
the trade off being cost.  So it's easier to sell the (much)
cheaper battens that are just a few pounds heavier?

JCT/For fully battened sail, do battens taper (thinner at the
   /the leading edge, close to mast) to promote camber?

        Mine are (Tornado catamaran)... They're a foam-sandwich
construction, and the width decreases towards the luff.  I've also
seen glass battens that had a rib running the length of the batten
on their face.  By sanding or planing the rib in the right area
(fore and aft), some draft control was supposed to result.

        *Really*, I believe that most of the shape is cut into the
sail itself, and the battens control very little of the shape of
the draft.  My battens are bolted in (bookbinders bolts) at the
leech.

JCT/As a windsurfer (not as active after bought sailboat), the
   /battens are high tech in most of the sails.  Doesn't seem
   /to be the case for sailboat sail.  Why?

        Again, might be just cost savings.  The full battens on a
windsurfer would constitute a much larger percentage of the weight
of the sail, so I can see there, where greater attention to weight
and performance would pay off.

        Laughlin Hughes
        Skipper, Ship to Shore OIS, Toronto

 * OLX 2.2 * What happens if I pull on this rope?


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:05:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.095038.16120@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
 
>In article <16B62133D8.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>>I see a big difference between sailboards and jet-skis in this
>>sort of a situation.  If you don't know what you are doing on a
>>sailboard, you don't go anywhere.  That makes it real hard to
>>run over someone or violate right of way rules.  At worst, they
>>tend to drift downwind.  I really see little difference between
>>letting a complete novice try my sailboard and letting someone
>>float around in an inner tube.
>>
>
>Yeah right!  Tell that to the scratches in my hull.  Get the novice
>friends away from anchored boats and swimmers.
>
Sailboards have no place among swimmers, and I can't see any reason
for them to be around anchored boats (assuming that the boat didn't
simply anchor itself right next to where there were already sailboards
on the water.)  But what does this have to do with being novice?  It
seems to me it is a matter of being inconsiderate (or illegal).
 
..Richard E+17
From: dmacmullin@DMACMULLIN.UCCB.NS.CA (Dean MacMullin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for 20' Speedboat
Summary: Options are open ..
Keywords: Preferably in U.S.A
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:17:45 GMT
Organization: University College of Cape Breton


  Looking for a friend:

   Year:  1986 -90      
   Size:  @ 19'-21' Speedboat
   Engine Size:	   6-8 cylinder
   Special: Wants small berth in the bow.
            c/w trailor
             "  covers, etc..

	My friends options are open at the present time and is 
willing to look at various makes & models. Will like it for May/
93.
	Please send brief details through email with 
telephone number, and friend will get back to you for 
further details. 			


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University College of Cape Breton
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P.O. Box 5300, Sydney, N.S., Canada, B1P6L2
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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:22:09 GMT
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Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
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In article <1993Jan21.143233.15952@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>   A few thoughts on the current trends and the Catalina 270 in particular.
>They put those berths in the stern because with the high volume after
>sections on todays boats, you can put a truly huge berth back there. A
>bed similar in size to your queen-size at home is an attractive proposition
>to a first time buyer. I haven't attemped to sleep in one, but I suspect
>the lack of overhead room and ventilation would not be condicive to a good
>night's sleep. How would you climb over your wife to go check the anchor
>at 3:00 AM? How would she get over you to make the nightly potty call?

Our main cabin has a table from hell, but it has one good feature: it folds down
to form a double-berth. My own preference is to use the V-berth forward, because
it lets one leave the bed made up, but (although it's been 3 years) we're only
just now getting around to finishing things properly up there: I made a 
V-insert, and we got a piece of foam cut for us, and sometime this winter
Cynthia is going to sew up the upholstery cover for it (or I will--depends on 
which of us has the time). Anyhow...we've used the double berth in the main 
cabin for three summers, and to answer Wayne's question: I sleep on the side
closer to the boat's centerline, so it's no problem when I get up to check the
anchor. When she needs to visit the head, she climbs over me, which usually
wakens me. I get up, look around on deck, check out the stars (if any), and come
back to bed. It seems to work fine. 

>   The Catalina 270 sleeps 4, from what I can tell. This, at least, is
>a positive trend in that the number of berths is down from 5 or 6 for the
>Catalina 27, depending on model.

When I was looking for a boat, I asked my broker to find me one that was
about 33 feet, and claimed to sleep 2, because I'd then know that I had an
honest designer. Well, Sarah's a little larger (37 feet) and nominally sleeps 5,
which has happened once or twice. Mostly, though, the pilot berth serves as a
catch all. 

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:53:21 GMT

In article <1k42j1INNgb@transfer.stratus.com>
kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
 
>>
>>Scott, If you add pontoon boats and sailboards you would be duplicating
>>my list.  It's the people -- not the toys!  There are plenty of safe
>>drag-boat, bassboat, jet-ski, etc., etc., operators out there, but it
>>only takes one yaa-hoo to spoil a nice day for dozens of people.
>>
>
>One real big problem with these kind of stuff (jet-skis, sailboards,
>etc) is that people lend one to a friend at the beach or where-ever
>and say "Try this, it's cool."  The person then using the craft likely
>has no knowledge of boat operation, right-of-way rules, what to do if
>you break down/become fatiqued, etc.  This situation has potential for
>disaster.  Would you give your car to someone who has never driven and
>let them have a go because you think they are smart enough to get it
>right on the first try without adequate instruction?
>
>--
I see a big difference between sailboards and jet-skis in this
sort of a situation.  If you don't know what you are doing on a
sailboard, you don't go anywhere.  That makes it real hard to
run over someone or violate right of way rules.  At worst, they
tend to drift downwind.  I really see little difference between
letting a complete novice try my sailboard and letting someone
float around in an inner tube.
 
..Richard E+17
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:05:41 PST

From: <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Hello to all of you! - I would like some suggestions for the
naming of my 23 foot Grady-White Gulfstream... I'm really having
a tough time coming up with anything completley new and nautical!
So anything goes!!!!!!

Thanks a lot! (The winner gets $65!)

Mark

I've seen some good suggestions posted. Here are some bad ones:

Unsinkable II
Never Again III

I don't recall where I first got them.  Originality has been
described as the art of remembering what you hear while forgetting
where you heard it.  (Dr. Laurence J. Peter...)

Al Moore
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:20:42 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Some posters seem to be saying that wheels may be easier "because
you know which way the boat will turn," but are there not boats
where the wheel turns agianst the direction? Wasn't this the "old-
fashioned" way? Stefan should know that one.

As to tillers taking up room, one of the nice things about aft cabins
is that the tiller may take up no cockpit space at all -- just lie
along the top of the aft cabin. That how it was on the Norwegian motor
sailer that I nearly bought, and also the Nor Sea 27. The real design 
is how balanced a rudder will you have? A rudder can be hinged to have
almost no straightening force at all, or even a negative one.

						Cap'n Fido
						F E L I X
From: jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Perminate Moorings
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:00:18 GMT

In article <3450069@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet) writes:
> I belong to a group of sailboaters interested in setting up our
> own mooring (perminate) in one of the South Bay sloughs.  The
> problem is that I've read (somewhere) that Concrete makes a
> really awful mooring (too light in water, will drag easily, rots or
> breaks up fast).  Other possibilities being discussed are a 
> couple engine blocks chained togeather, but I've heard bad things
> about this too (easy to drag etc.).

The moorings I help set up and install in the Merrimack River (NE mass.)
are mostly granite blocks which we obtain from a nearby quarry.
For the bigger boats (40 feet) the blocks are roughly 2,500 lbs.
We have quite a strong current and a tide range of 8-10 feet.
We put out 15' of 5/8" chain and 20-25' of 3/8" chain.  Average depth
at low tide is 6-15 feet.  Totaly cost of block, eyebolt, chain,
shackles, float, and pennant is about $165.

Conditions in our mooring area can be fairly severe with the right
combination of tide and a good 3-day NE storm, so our rigs are probably 
overkill for a more sheltered area.

If the mud in your area is soft enough consider a mushroom - once
set properly it will slowly bury itself.

Whatever you put out be sure to keep an eye on.  Chain doesn't wear
evenly along it's length.  We use heavier chain on the bottom
section not for added strength but in order to achieve a
shock abosrber affect, especially in stormy conditions.

Jonathan Welch  VAX Systems Manager  Umass/Amherst  JHWELCH@ecs.umass.edu