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From: M02449@mwvm.mitre.org (Joe Gems)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:25:38 GMT

In article <716108512.F00009@blkcat.UUCP>
David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
 
>
>  JA is ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
>
>  JA> The question should be: Does reserving 1/3 lanes as an HOV-3 lane on
>  JA> the Dulles Toll Road have the desired effect of substantially raising
>  JA> the number of people who carpool in groups of 3?  If not, the HOV lane
>  JA> has nothing to do with the advantages of car pooling.  I have not seen
>  JA> any evidence to answer yes to the above question
>
>Okay, let's look at this differently.  Other than reserving sections of highways
>for HOV use, what else do you suggest that Federal, State, and Local governments
>do to further encourage carpooling?
 
Seems obvious, at least in the Dulles situation - let carpoolers use the vastly
underused Access Road (no tolls, and no vehicles other than airport users and
cheaters), and leave three unrestricted toll lanes for the rest of us.
 
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: jfloyd@wam.umd.edu (Jason Edward Floyd)
Subject: RFOR SALE: Carpet, Ceiling Fan
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:34:24 GMT

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: dc.general,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: U.S. Naval Observatory and AtomClock
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:05:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

>There was an application named "AtomClock" that would
>use you modem to dial a number in DC that once belonged
>to the US Naval Observatory in NW DC.  Their number
>would answer the phone with a 1200 or 2400 baud modem
>transmitting the exact time according to the Earth Clock.
>
>The application would capture this time, and reset your
>computer's system clock to the exact time.
>
>Overkill? Perhaps.  Fun? definitely.
>Does anyone know if this service is still being provided?
>If so what number do we have to ring?
>I have lost the application that did this little wonder.
>
>I am also curious about using a similar technique to
>get the date from port 13 of a TCP/IP box (if there is
>one hooked up to the Earth Clock).... how would I
>find out the IP address to connect to?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Scott Nolan
>snolan@marge.hq.af.mil


I'm using a version of AtomClock written by Art Steinmetz andthe
docs for it are dated 5/30/89. The phone number the program dials
is 1-202-653-0351. In fact I just used it a couple weeks ago and
the phone number for the US Naval Observatory in DC still answers
at that number (1200 baud) and sends the signals that AtomClock
cues on to reset your Amiga's system clock. 

The FishXRef listing doesn't show AtomClock on any Fish disks but
it shouldn't be that difficult to find. 

Harv
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:16:22 GMT

In article <5486@cvl.umd.edu> brian@cvl.umd.edu (Brian Miller) writes:
>Bingo!  I never know from day to day when I'm going to get out of
>work (funny thing about computers, they like to break between
>5-5:30pm, usually on Friday...might be time to disable ntp.)
>
>But many people have an understanding friend/SO they could pool with
>that wouldn't mind hanging around while the fire is put out.
>So why is HOV-2 so rare in this area?  The only place I know it 
>exists is through Old Town Alex.  Traffic is still a bear, but 
>the HOV-2 lanes on Washington and Rt. 1 are usually flowing 
>with a fair volume of traffic. Anyone who does that commute now
>knows it's fairly bad for us single drivers, but I shudder to think 
>what it would be like trying to get to Arlington from Southern MD if
>those lanes didn't exist.
>brian

HOV-2 definitely has a much better chance of working than HOV-3.
For that reason alone, I would be in favor of trying that out on
the toll road.  So why hasn't that been given a chance on the toll
road?  Are they afraid that it might work? 

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:16:01 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In dc.general, jlecher@pbs.org writes:
>
>What about us? Should we be penalized because computers have to be watched
>all night? I haven't had a 'day' job in 14 years!
>Give me a break.

Sigh.  Obviously it is damn near impossible for you to have a conventional
carpool.  The point, which it seems is still not clear, is that those
who can carpool, should carpool.  If we have one car in HOV-3, that means
we have removed a net of 2 cars from the road.  Now you can get to work
without being "penalized".  Remember, driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.
Unfortunately, most of us don't remember that, and are not patriotic enough
to carpool.

What! Patriotism is linked with carpools?  Why yes, me knobbly headed
weasels!  If you carpool: you help our balance of payments with our
competitor nations (by reducing the amount of oil imports),
you reduce the health damage to our children (and the increase
in insurance premiums needed to repair the damage),
you reduce the ozone levels in the city (which have been linked
to violent behavior), you reduce the amount of taxes which must
be raised for new construction and repair to health/environment,
you reduce the need to put expensive pollution controls on our
factories, etc.....  But those unpatriotic, selfish, "I'll be
dead, so why should I care", smurfs never did care about the
environment...their the ones who burn flags. (exit stage left
singing "America the Beautiful")
From: David.Kline@p869.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Kline)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: 3 bedroom condo for rent, Alex
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 05:13:38 -0500

Three bedroom, 2 bath condo for rent in the Fort Ellsworth condominiums, near
the Masonic Memorial, Alexandria.  Picture windows in living room, kitchen,
bedroom; washer/dryer, dishwasher, sunken living room, county sized kitchen,
$1,025.  703 521-2923 for info.
From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Missing the point (was Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:42:53 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA

The point of the HOV lane is to reduce the number of cars on the road
by giving carpoolers somewhere to go. I think it is serving that
purpose. Those people who ride in carpools are now able to get to work
faster than before. I feel that anyone who uses some form of
alternative, more environmentally correct means of travel should be
encouraged as much as possible.

I don't think the government should be spending money to build roads
encouraging irresponsible transit habits.  The government should be
spending money on improving the mass transit system in this area and
also encouraging bicycling. I biked to work this morning. My 15 mile
drive from Sterling to the Tysons area turns into a 24 mile bike ride
in order to find a safer route. (I was almost killed on Rt. 7 last
Janurary.) If there was a bike lane or path paralleling Rt. 7, or
connecting to the W&OD, and perhaps one paralleling 123 I would be
happy. I think more people would ride too. I had to spend about a two
hours scouting around for a safer (note, it is not safe) route to
work.

The government should not encourage polluters in industry, why should
it encourage polluting commuters? The government is not responsible
for our behavior, but they should avoid encouraging wrong behavior.
 
Thank you,

Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 
The MITRE Corporation	     |Paine..." -- Billy Bragg
7525 Colshire Drive (MS Z213)|"But I am still thirsty..."
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Newsgroups: dc.general,dc.housing
From: paul@openage.openage.com (Paul Fischer)
Subject: House for Rent/share in Gaithersburg
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:31:26 GMT



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There is also a freeze in the garage to be shared.  The garage may be used
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 01:45:59 GMT

David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:

>Frankly, I don't know how all the people who insist upon taking their own cars
>into work can afford it.  Sure there are people such as couriers and sales reps
>that need to move about alot during the day, but this is Washington DC - the
>capital of the United States.  The largest employers here are the Federal
>Government, and the various consulting firms that support it, not Fuller Brush.

Largest yes but not the most people - 
Surveys including those taken by VDOT have shown that the majority of
of commuters are inter-suburb commuters (Rockville to Silver Spring to
Tysons Corner to ...)


>If I had used my car to go to and from the office daily, I would spend about
>$1.50 each day for gasoline, and another $1.00 for tolls.  Over the year, I
>would then spend roughly $550 for the privilege of having my car sit idle in the
>parking lot while I worked.  By commuting into work with two others, I can save
>around $400.  I have better uses for $400, plus the extra money I would spend in
>insurance cost, repair costs (due to extra wear and tear on the car) than
>padding the coffers of the oil companies, the insurace companies, and the state
>and county governments, not to mention the intangible damage to the atmosphere
>from dumping hydrocarbons into it.

$1.50 for tolls - $.75 each way.

But it is this type of calculation which got us in the current mess
Unless you work downtown you usually don't have to pay parking (I never did)
Most people don't work downtown and work at small companies for which the
only alternate is mass-transportation and every offical figured that
the traffic would be between the suburbs and DC.

I attempted to take the bus/train between a job in Silver Spring
and Reston.  It required two buses and two trains
1. Express Bus  - Reston -> West Falls Church
2. Orange Train - West Falls Church -> Downtown
3. Red Train    - Downtown -> Silver Spring
4. Bus          - Silver Spring to Work

Total time: 2 hrs each way (if you got lucky in transfers)
Total Cost: approx. $7 per day (rates changed several times)

It does not cost anywhere near that much to commute by auto
and travel time is 1/3.

Calculations can not be made assuming that people work in DC
and have any meaning to the average commuter - the majority of the
people who can car pool/metro to DC probably are already.
[ I did when I worked in DC by the way but otherwise it has
  not been practical ]
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: HOV thang...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:28:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

 To reduce congestion, HOV-3 should extend from Lorton, VA all the way
 to SE/SW Freeway & 14th Street Bridge -- instead of all traffic permitted
 between SE/SW Freeway & Pentagon -- that should reduce congestion in
 the express lanes -- I'm tired of using the carpool lane, only to find
 that all traffic was permitted -- it should be restricted to deter 
 "cutting" traffic, and give us carpoolers exclusive rights...

- Scott

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From: eric@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Confirm a rumor of a computer faire?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:18:01 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <1992Sep11.135646.12134@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>
>I've heard a rumor of a computer faire that's to be held this Sunday,
>September 13th, at some hotel in Tyson's corner.  Can someone confirm
>this, and hopefully offer more details?  Thanks

	Yes there is one.  I am on the mailing list, and I got a card in the
mail.  I do not remember where this one is, but they are usually at the
Westpark hotel on Rt 7.  Going out from the beltway, it will be on the right.

	There is usually something in the Post classified section under
Computers that lists the location, date and hours.

	In the past, some of the shows have been very good.  Lots of dealers,
and all kinds of neat stuff.  Dickering over the price definitely goes on,
but will probably only do any good if you are buying multiple things.

-Eric

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From: david@c-cat.UUCP (dave)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Missing the point (was Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollut
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:24:52 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers

woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:

;-) The government should not encourage polluters in industry, why should
;-) it encourage polluting commuters? The government is not responsible
;-) for our behavior, but they should avoid encouraging wrong behavior.

Sorry to pick on one line of a fairly nice diatribe but.

Heh ! Our Government encourages polluters in industry.
I have seen many a billion dollar company being fined $100,000 for polluting
our environment.
---

The big problem in trying to improve our local transit system is plain and
simple GREED. How can they (local, state, federal governemnts) spend a little
money while making alot of money and many people happy. There is no simple
solution.  Maybe some of you folks with these bright ideas sould seek election
to the Traffic and Highway Administration. I think that we need some younger
decision makers in our governement with bright fresh new ideas that make sense.

                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 8N1
david@sandr.com 
Newsgroups: dc.general,dc.driving
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:42:20 GMT

In article <24945@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill) writes:
>In dc.general, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>
>>So what?  Did it ever occur to you that even though you need more
>>people to co-operate with HOV-2 that many more people will in fact
>>do so?  For example, ask yourself why stores put items on sale?
>>Sure it takes more people to buy a particular item to break even,
>>but because the price is reduced, many more people do buy an item
>>pushing up overall profits.
>
>I disagree with your analysis.  The incentive in retail is the
>low price, the bargain.  The lower the price, the greater the
>incentive.  The incentive to carpool is the
>fast commute time.  You lower the
>incentive when you increase the commute time, which is what
>would happen if you allowed the large increase in cars
>which you claim would be in the HOV lane if it was HOV-2.
>

*Sigh*, my analysis was only to show that because one had to reach
a larger number to break even, this was not a good reason to
reject it.  Having a larger number of HOV-2 is certainly better
than having a minimal HOV-3.  I don't think that anyone is worried
about the HOV lane becoming crowded yet.  If that happens, there
are other alternatives to take.  I think that the issue here is
what measure will encourage people to car-pool?  I believe that an
HOV-2 lane is one such measure, while I strongly believe that an
HOV-3 lane is not. 

>any conclusions.  I won't respond (do I hear lots of cheers?),
>to any more posts on this subject that are sent to this news
>group.  This discussion belongs in dc.driving.

You can respond anywhere you like.  I've added dc.driving to the
distribution, and perhaps you can remove dc.general if you so
choose. 

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From: m1nss01@fed.frb.gov (Neil S. Seftor)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Director's cut of Bladerunner
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: m1nss01@fed.frb.gov (Neil S. Seftor)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

With all this talk of the differences, and when it's playing in
Chicago and Mann theatre in Westwood, I thought some of you people
who actually live in the DC area would like to know that it starts
showing Friday, September 11, at the Uptown ... See ya there.

	- Neil

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From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 14:19:58 -0500

JA is John G. Ata, ata@hfsi.com:

  JA> That's nice.  You're saying that car-pooling makes economic sense. 
  JA> But what does this have to do with the desirablility of an HOV lane on
  JA> the Toll Road?

An HOV lane makes car-pooling improves the convenience of car-pooling by
increasing the time required to go from A-to-B by oneself.
From: david@c-cat.UUCP (dave)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:35:56 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers

ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:

;-) 
;-) HOV-2 definitely has a much better chance of working than HOV-3.
;-) For that reason alone, I would be in favor of trying that out on
;-) the toll road.  So why hasn't that been given a chance on the toll
;-) road?  Are they afraid that it might work? 
;-) 

Don't feel bad in south florida on those 10 lane highways I have seen
HOV-4  but I guess they can do that on a 10 laner.

I think HOV-2 would make better sense for now. getting people used to
using HOV maybe meeting 2 or 3 other people to commute with and then
in a year or two when people are in habit of HOV up the rule to HOV-3


                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 8N1
david@sandr.com
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Looking for a babysitter
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 21:15:13 -0500

In a msg on <Sep 03 19:25>, Steve Ray of 1:109/401 writes:

 SR> Having just received notice from our current babysitter of over 4
 SR> years, we are looking for someone to look after our two kids, 
 SR> aged 5 and 2. The 5 year old will be in school every day 
 SR> until 3:15. 

 SR> We are looking for someone who drives, can do light 
 SR> housecleaning, and can work from 8:30-6:00, Monday-Thursday. 
 SR> If you know of anyone who might be interested, please have 
 SR> them call 301 975-3524 during the day, or 202 362-5059 after 
 SR> 6:30 or so in the evening, for more details.

Just a thought - but we went the Au Pair route a number of years ago.  Took a
while to balance off sharing the house with another adult, but it has more than
paid off it consistancy for the kids (we have three) - acess to after school
activites, covering the work travel that my husband and I both do, etc.

The last few years have been easier, since the whole system became legal.

         good luck    -Holly 
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Subject: Disk parameters?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: dc
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:57:58 GMT

Rather than wasting world-wide bandwidth going through the comp groups
(and having to subscribe and wade through them), I have a quick computer
hard-disk question.

My Wyse PC has given up the ghost - it's an old 286 machine which I've
used as a spare for a few years.  It has a 20MB ST-225 hard drive in it.
I'd like to salvage this and move it on to my 386-SX machine as a D:
drive.  I have to be able to describe this drive to the config program
on the 386; it has 46 "standard" drive configurations and 1 "fill in the 
blanks" option.  I need to know how many heads and how many cylinders the
ST-225 has; and if I'm forgetting to ask something, feel free to
enlighten me further.  I have installed hard drives before; I suspect
I'll have to do a low-level format on this puppy to get it to work with 
the controller on the 386.  

Thanks in advance.


-- 
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From: david@c-cat.UUCP (dave)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:31:57 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers

terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:

;-) popular (and possibly more revenue generating*) approach would be to leave
;-) all 3 lanes unrestricted.  The fact that they have not implies some other
;-) external pressure, ie the federal government.
;-) 
;-) * I assume more revenue with 3 unrestricted lanes, because the traffic 
;-) congestion due to HOV on the toll road will now cause some drivers 
;-) to bail out and take 66, 7, or the back roads
;-) 
;-) Terry

I have been kinda following this thread. Time for my 2cents.

I think that the government gives more aid to the state if there is a 
designated HOV lane. In the unrestricted lane approach the state would
in fact loose money. 

                                                       -David

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