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From: Dawn.Linke@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dawn Linke)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: evolution
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:24:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

 
 
    TO: ALL
            I am a student at Bonnersferry H.S.
  I am a Biology 2 student dealing in finding information.
 I would like to do some research work on the dealings with
information on the history of the neandrethal man.
I would like to learn more about the history of our late man and
of our modern man as we know today.
  Many of us have no idea of how we were once created?
So if any one has any idea on this subject I would really
appreciate it.
     Also I am doing a oral report on Alzheimers Diease.
 I would like to know more on what causes this and if in the
future there would be cure for it? I am interested in this due
to many happenings of this kind of cases in Northern Idaho.
    I would really like to get some imfortmation on something
scientific dealing with Biology.
 
                       THANK-YOU.
                             DAWN LINKE.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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From: Dawn.Linke@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Dawn Linke)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: suicide injection
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:16:10 PDT
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From: Bud.Holloway@f2030.n391.z1.fidonet.org (Bud Holloway)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: UFO'S
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:34:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:391/2030 - Rogers Public Schoo, Rogers AR

I BELIEVE GOD CREATED EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS ON EARTH.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAME FROM APES.
I BELIEVE ADAM & EVE CAME & WAS CREATED BY THE MIGHTY GOD.
BYE!

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From: kgrossha@radford.vak12ed.edu (Kurt Grosshans)
Subject: Re: Universe Age
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:00:26 GMT

Lowell Herr (Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org ) writes:
> onet.org>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:42:01 PDT
> Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR
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> 
>  > LA   Does that mean that a Universe only a few million years
>  > LAold might
>  > LA have only ONE planet on which there was life?  I mean at
>  > LAsuch a
>  > LA small 'age' there might not have been time for any other
>  > LAlife
> 
> The universe is estimated to be at least 10 Billion years old.  This gives
>  sufficient time for life to evolve.  We have approximately 11 Billion stars in
>  our galaxy and there are billions of galaxies.  There is a high probability we
>  are 

Actually, when all factors are taken into account, there is a
very low probability of life existing in the universe. (Please
read Sagans's Cosmos).

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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: EVOLUTION
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:24:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <28560.2B2827D0@puddle.fidonet.org>
     Jerry.Saville@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Jerry Saville) writes:

>   As for evolution, I am not completely opposed to the idea. There are
>   some interesting things that come out of the idea, but you must remember,
>   Darwin recanted his own theory! It was the athiests that picked up the
>   idea and ran with it. (Darwin, by the way was an avid Christian)

Every sentence in this paragraph (with the possible exception of the
first one) is incorrect.  However, I'd like to focus only on a fallacy
which I'm guessing motivated the second sentence.  While Chris Stassen
did a great job of debunking the canard of Darwin's recanting, I'd
like to pose a question for you to think about, and then give my
perspective on the answer.  The question is: What difference would it
make if Darwin had claimed he'd been mistaken about descent with
modification being the mechanism of formation of new species? (i.e.
what difference would it make if he had "recanted"?)

The answer should be that it would make no difference.  For
scientists, explanations rest on physical evidence, not on opinion.
There are no prophets or priests in science, so in the long run the
theories that scientists accept are the theories that are best
supported by experiment and observation.  Even if Darwin had said that
he was wrong, modern biologists would accept the fact of evolution as
our most accurate description of the past.  We accept this because it
is what the evidence support, *not* because somebody else said it.

>Internet: Jerry.Saville@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)

P.S.  I agree with a previous poster that Dan Ashlock used the word
"proven" in an inappropriate sense.  I understand his zeal, however,
because it's hard to hold back when talking about a fact that is as
well supported as evolution is.  For scientists there is no
controversy about the fact of evolution, and there hasn't been one for
well over a hundred years.
From: Abra.Chouinard@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Abra Chouinard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Environmental Global Watch
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:48:43 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

James Bannan,
My professor and I were pleased to recieve your last messagse.
As of today (Monday Dec.07, 1992) it is snowing incredibly.
This is the first break in weather for over a week.  This past
week has been and average of 8 degrees above 0 F.  The coldest
so far has been -4 degrees F. A couple of years ago we had an
Arctic freeze which brought temperatures down to -70 degrees F
with combined wind chill factor.  The ski resorts are quite
content.  I haven't seen much animal other than 8 deer last
week and flocks of migrating small birds.  I wanted to ask you
about the fish you mentioned in you last message.  I wanted to
know how large they were in size.
If the weather warms up any, there should be alot more animal
movement to report.  I'll keep a log or diary so to keep track
of day by day events.
Looking forward to more replies.
 
Abra Chouinard 


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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Universe Age
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:42:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > LA   Does that mean that a Universe only a few million years
 > LAold might
 > LA have only ONE planet on which there was life?  I mean at
 > LAsuch a
 > LA small 'age' there might not have been time for any other
 > LAlife

The universe is estimated to be at least 10 Billion years old.  This gives
 sufficient time for life to evolve.  We have approximately 11 Billion stars in
 our galaxy and there are billions of galaxies.  There is a high probability we
 are not alone in the universe.

LH 

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From: Laurie.Appleton@p1.f316.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Laurie Appleton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: JUNIOR SCIENCE
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 11:03:20 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/316.1 - The Galaxy GateWay , Minden Qld Australia

                              :
 PM> If you have any queries on these, (like how best to catch the wee
 PM> beasties) or if I don't provide extra details by St Andrew's Day
 PM> (that is November 30 for Sassenachs and other low forms of life), please
 PM> send me an urgent and imperative demand.

 PM> peter macinnis at the Australian Museum, Sydney.

    Can you tell me if that is the Museum whose TRACKS THROUGH
 TIME exhibition, greeted visitors as they entered, with the
 ('world first, in any exhibition of this type') four words;
 EVOLUTION IS A FACT   (See Barry Price's book, The Creation
 Science Controversy, (1990), p. 208)

    Does that bold and brash sign still greet visitors as they
 enter, or has some sense of scientific objectivity since
 prevailed!!

 Laurie



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From: Aaron.Brown@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Brown)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: re:cryogenics
Date: 10 Dec 92 19:28:17 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Aaron,
        Last year I did a report for class on cryogenics.  There
are two main liquids used for cryogenic freezing and they are
liquid nitrogen and liquid oxygen.  These two are used because
they are the cheapest to amke and they are usualy associated
with the coldest temperatures.  In the operation, the body is
dipped directly into the liquid.  Since it is frozen so quickly
and at such a low temperature there is basically no
deterioration of the brain or of any of the cells.
        An interesting fact to note is that Walt Disney is at
this time cryogenically frozen.  Most people thought that he
died of kidney disease or something like that only those lines.
The main problem with the procedure is the thawing out fo the
body.  It is not as easy as the freezing.  the main problem is
that when the cells are being unfrozen they have a tendency to
break and therefore the cells die.  It is also interesting to
know that scientists have successfully frozen and brought back
to life a dog which lived normally for about three months. 


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From: crasmuss@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Connie Rasmussen)
Subject: simearth in the classroom
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:32:50 GMT

Is anyone using the computer program SIMEARTH in their
classroom as more than a game?  I want to incorporate it into a
9th grade environmental science class as a supplement to
teaching how the separate systems on earth must all work
together.  This program is very good in simulating various
events based on the atmosphere,biosphere, geosphere and
civilization. The student is able to save the planet they have
created so it is a program that a  student can return to time
and time again to make changes as they learn more about
specific issues (ie. greenhouse effect, genetic mutations etc).

If you are not familiar with this program it is great.  It is
more than a game.  It can be used in biology, environmental
science and geology very easily as well as other subjects.

Conni Rasmussen
From: Sharon.Harms@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Sharon Harms)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: SHOES
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:39:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     Hello!  I am answering your survey on shoes.  I think for some
of the questions there are no yes or no answers.  For your first
question, Do you think shoes cost too much?  The answer to that
depends on the quality of the shoe.  Some shoes will last for a few
years while others may only last for a couple of months.  So for a
good quality shoe the price should be higher.  Your second
question, are shoes worth 75 to 130 dollars?  That is nearly the
same answer as the first question.  It depends on the quality of
the shoe.  The person buying the shoe has to view it as spending
100 dollars or so for a year or two instead of looking just at the
money going out right at the moment.  Your third question was, Do
shoes need an air pocket or window?  I have to admit that some of
these things are not really necessary.  But air pumps do help
support a weak ankle, so they are a necessity for bad ankles.  Your
fourth question was, How much do you spend on shoes?  SInce I am
not in sports anymore I don't need tennis shoes so I don't spend as
much.  But I still like nice comfortable shoes so I spend between
30 and 50 dollars on shoes.  I hoped this helped you in your
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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Use of k12net science ech
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:18:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

On 12-13-92, LOWELL HERR wrote to ALL:
>-------------------------------------
What I am  looking for on this echo is quite wide open.
>-------------------------------------

Point taken Lowell.  And I've not forgotten about the chaotic oscillator I owe you.

This is one of the more interesting conferences I monitor!

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From: Shannon.Rae@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Shannon Rae)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Clear-cuts
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:18:30 GMT
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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Hyper Thyroid
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:40:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

Here are some articles on the thyroid from Software Toolworks encyclopedia on  
cd rom.

--------------------
Copyright (c) 1992 Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc.

thyroid function test
{thy'-royd}
A thyroid function test measures the efficiency of THYROXINE
 and triiodothyronine production by the thyroid gland. 
 These two thyroid hormones, which contain iodine, regulate
 body metabolism.  If the hormones are deficient, as in the
 condition called myxedema, metabolism is slowed down.  If
 they are in excess, as in exophthalmic GOITER, metabolism
 is accelerated. The oldest method of measuring thyroid
 function is the determination of the basal metabolic rate,
 or BMR.  The test involves measurement of the body's oxygen
 requirement during a condition of absolute rest, called the
 basal state.  The amount of oxygen is related to the amount
 of thyroid hormone present. The relationship of the BMR to
 thyroid hormone levels, however, is indirect and inexact. 
 The BMR test has thus been superseded by such tests as the
 radiation method, which measures the rate at which injected
 radioactive iodine becomes concentrated in the thyroid
 gland.  This rate is directly related to the rate of
 thyroid hormone synthesis.  Other tests include measurement
 of the competitive protein-binding of thyroxine, serum
 thyroxine, the level of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH),
 free thyroxine in blood and urine, and triiodothyronine
 estimations.
Peter L.
Petrakis
Bibliography:  Sterling, K., Diagnosis and Treatment of
 Thyroid Diseases (1975);  Thomson, John A., Clinical Tests
 of Thyroid Function (1974).
 



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From: Abra.Chouinard@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Abra Chouinard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Australian Aborigones
Date: 10 Dec 92 16:50:08 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

To all:
To all whom are concerned.  I'm looking for information on
Australian Aborigones.  If anyone knows, lives, or is an
aborigone, would you please type back and tell me about your
present day lifestyle and if you still practice some of the
old-way traditions.  This will be an entry for my English
research paper.  I would much appreciate any information on this
subject.
I am from Idaho, U.S.A.  and have always been interested in
Australia.  I am planning on visiting the country when I
graduate from hish school.  If by some chance you have any
suggestions on good outback areas or cities please feel free to
type a note back also.  I hope that you please answer so that my
English paper gets done and my teacher won't kill me.
 
Looking for your replies.
Thank you,
Abra Chouinard 


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From: Olivia.Schauble@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Olivia Schauble)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: environment
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:17:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Dear Jim Dixon,
 
        I am a student at Bonners Ferry High School in Northern
Idaho. My name is Olivia Schauble and I read your message in the
Science Forum. I am interested in chemicals which are
potentially dangerous to the environment and/or its inhabitants
(such as birds, fish, and wild animals). How many harmful
chemicals are being exposed into our environment today? What can
certain chemicals do to the vegetation etc.? I am worried about
what is happening to the earth at the fault of humans. In
Bonners Ferry, the environment is not in any immediate danger,
that I know of. Bonners is a logging community with around 2500
people. Truck loads of logs are coming out of the mountains one
after another, but the trees seem endless, at least for now. I
was wondering if you have any information about how wood smoke
affects the air. Most homes in and around Bonners use wood heat
for the winter. Spokane, only 100 or so miles from here, has air
pollution laws about burning wood. How long do you suppose it
will be until towns like Bonners Ferry will be forced to have
laws like these? I will be eagerly waiting for your reply.
 
                                Olivia Schauble



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From: Aaron.Evans@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Evans)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Mind-benders
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:18:25 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

     Welcome to Aaron's World, where all laws of nature and physics
don't exist. I like to make myself look smart around my friends so
I'm looking for a real smart person so I can steal their brain.
(Not really) All seriousness aside, I want to find some questions
that will totally stump everyone I know. A good example of a
question that I saw in this ever growing K-12 net was; "Is it
mathamatically possible to turn an orange inside-out without
breaking the skin?" The only flaw that I can see in this was that
the answer was not given, and I'm to ignorant (stupid) to figure it
out. If anyone can come up with any such questions please step up
to your computer and type like a madman. So open up the deep dark
holes in the ceative right side of your brain and make me feel
smart around my peers. Also if anyone would like to have a copy of
the responses (if there are any) I grant you permission (not that
you need it), but if you are giong to use them for personal gain
then watch out! A 354 pound kiwi may come crashing through the roof
of your building and squash you and your fancy computer.
 
               Seasons Greetings, and "God Bless You, Every One"  
 
 
                                   Aaron Evans



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From: Judy.Sneed@f70.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Judy Sneed)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: "Proof" and Science (was EVOLUTION)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:29:48 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/70 - The Teacher's Pet, Oklahoma City OK

 JG> Newsgroups: k12.ed.science

 JG> Several people have been saying things like: "This proves..." or "This has
 JG> been proven."  I think it is important for us to 
 JG> remember that science does
 JG> *not* prove anything.  The basis of science is falsifibility, not proof. 
 JG> This is the foundation of scientific philosophy, and it doesn't help the
 JG> evolution argument when you claim something as proven 
 JG> (because it's not--at
 JG> least as far as science is concerned).

 JG> Please remember to use phrases like such-and-such 
 JG> "supports the theory" and
 JG> "this evidence does not disprove this hypothesis because...."  It's more
 JG> accurate and it's within the realm of science.

Thank you so much for saying the above. For some reason, lots of folks seem to be unable to distinguish between supporting evidence of a theory and actual proof of a theory. To prove a theory one must have absolutely *NO* evidence that does not support the theory. Also, no one else should be able to produce any contrary evidence either. If contrary evidence exists, the theory is not correct in that particular and *must* be restructured to include ALL of the evidence, whether the theorist likes it or not. I
t is very difficult to be completely un-biased when a pet theory goes up in smoke because of one teeny-tiny bit of controversial data, but honest scientists will grit their teeth, lay out all the facts, and develope a new theory that has no holes or ignored evidence. I honor those scientists who have the self-discipline to do so!

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From: Jessica.Smith@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jessica Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:42:27 PDT
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To Mickey-
 
Thank you for replying to my article about evolution.  You are
right, I should make a distinction between evolution and
abiogenesis.  Do you believe there will ever be a solution to the
evolution contraversy?  Will scientists ever have enough
information to prove positively where we came from?  I couldn't
find a copy of Wonderful Life by Stephen Jay Gould.  Our library
at school here is out of date and we have almost nothing useful.
If there is a way  for you to send me some of that information, I'd
appreciate it.  I only use the words "belief" or "think" becfause
no one can really say "I know".  Do you believe in the ruling that
creationism cannot be taught in classrooms?  But they can teach
evolution although they aren't teaching facts?  This seems somewhat
odd to me.  DNA testing is the best evidence to find facts about
evolution.  Hope to hear from you again concerning that book I
can't find!!
Thank you
Jessica Smith 


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From: Jessie.Bailey@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jessie Bailey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: AIDS
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:50:27 PDT
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To all foreign countries:
 
Hi, my name is Jessie Bailey.  I am a senior at Bonners Ferry High
School which is located in Northern Idaho.  AIDS (Acquired Immune
Deficiency Syndrome), a disease which affects the immune system, is
a tremendous concern in the United States.  Studies show that 1 in
250 Americans have been diagnosed with AIDS.  I am very curious
about what other countries have studied about the disease and I
would be very interested to compare studies.  For example, how do
other countries feel AIDS can and cannot be transmitted?  Here, in
the U.S. it is said that AIDS can only be transmitted through
unprotected sex and any type of blood exchange.  There has been a
recent case, however, where a young child had gotten AIDS by no
apparent cause.  I am interested in any opinions and/or proof about
how AIDS can and cannot be transmitted.  Is it possible that AIDS
is more contagious than people give credit for?  How much caution
must people take in protecting themselves from the AIDS virus?  Are
paper toilet seat covers important in protecting ones self from
AIDS?  U.S. studies have shown that the AIDS virus can live on an
air-exposed surface seven days.  Is it possible that AIDS can be
transmitted by using a public rest room?  The U.S. says no.  If
there are any opposing views on this issue, I would be interested
in your input. 


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