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From: marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:33:10 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

In article <69383@cup.portal.com> Ripped-Off@cup.portal.com (Eric J Rainbolt) writes:
>Last summer, when living with my parents in Evergreen Park, a
>suburb of Chicago, I decided to improve my self-image and the like by
>joinging Bally's Health Club in the neighboring town of Oak Lawn.
> 
> <deleted long story>
> 
>I hope that I haven't been misled again, and this will clear up
>matters once and for all.  I also hope that snakes who work at
>recovery services burn in hell, but that is a longer story...
>Any similar complaints?

You've learned the lesson here: Read everything in a contract.

As far as contracts go, try to put in writing what you and 
the other party agreed to. If you wanted two months membership
then that should have been put in the contract. Escape clauses
are nice but somehow always have a heavy cost to them. So forget
the wimp-out clauses and just get a contract for the exact thing
you want.

And health clubs in general ? They rank down there with collection
agencies, too. Most people who join these clubs don't have the
patience to come in regularly to work out, hence, quit after about
two months. So one way for clubs to make money is to get long
term contracts which after two months become revenue without
providing service. What a deal ! Like a salesperson of one of these
places admitted, even if the place looks crowded today, they still
have to recruit people because these people will quit after a while
and the place will have more space available and therefore they
might as well fill it up again with new recruits.

We had a case in Florida where the place was going to close up
because of money problems. They were recruiting and getting
checks from customers until the day before closing ! So these
new people excited about working out come to the door the
next day(s) and ... nothing.

If you use the healthclub 5 of 7 days, and they have well ventilated
rooms so that it doesn't collect everybody's fart, the equipment
is hygenic, the equipment is spread out so people don't slam
down weights onto somebody's foot or swing a barbell into
somebody's jaw, and the showers are clean, the pool is clean,
the sauna is clean, they actually have equipment, and the price 
is reasonable then a FEW clubs are actually worth joining.


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From: dag@ossi.com (Darren Alex Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:32:30 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: nasty.ossi.com

danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN) writes:

>Unless things have changed since I last lived in SF, by far the best map of
>area, Berkeley included, is the bus & subway map put out by the Muni.
>Should be available damn near anywhere.


The last time I looked, about two weeks ago, the SF Muni map only contained
detail about San Francisco.  AC transit does put out good maps of the East Bay
though.

  --dag
From: Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk (Ben Dobson)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Bloody English Weather???
Summary: Oh to be in the sun!
Keywords: weather, Santa Barbara, LA
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:58:35 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Its alright for some.  Here am i in the middle of a typical day in North
Eastern England (Newcastle - to be exact) and its raining, its windy and they
say it hasn't even got cold yet (50 ish).   The sea is cold (40 ish) and dirty,
only the real airheads go surfing.
So tell me please whats the temp doing in Southern Cal. and has Sacremento
decided to go it alone ( only jesting).

Well I'm off to become an ice block

Ben
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Department of Computing Science
The University
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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:04:52 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov10.114339.20714@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>>In the referenced article, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:
>>>
>>>Why is it necessary to attack anybody?
>>>
>>
>>Well, you can sit back and let the nazi's take over and passively
>>allow them to murder everyone that they don't like, or you can
>>take the initiative and take them on before they get too powerful.
>
>I think comparing Usenet flame wars to Nazi atrocities is both
>overblown and insulting to those whose lives were destroyed.
>
> =Aaron=
>-- 

Oh so how long do you wait to react?  Once they've taken power
and start gassing people?  By then it's too late!  If there
was any lesson to learn from WWII it's that sitting  around
and ignoring facists and being passive is the wrong approach.

Chris
From: ccshf@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Henry Ford)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Bloody English Weather???
Keywords: weather, Santa Barbara, LA
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:10:12 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


For those in Newcastle - clog to keep warm.
In Manchester?  Aestivate.
Henry
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: relocation
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:15:30 GMT

In article <5NOV92.15453077@wizard.colorado.edu> murray_t@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>On the subject of relocation - why are so many Californians moving to
>Colorado?  The job market stinks, housing is expensive, it snows all the
>time, the brown cloud is getting browner...etc.  I suggest Washington or
>Oregon, or maybe Texas.  Phoenix is nice too.  If the influx doesn't stop
>soon, Californians will be ranked just above Texans in popularity here.

And who allowed someone from the Dallas suburbs to post on this forum?


kbq

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From: billr@nic.cerf.net (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:49:45 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Eric -

I too had the same problem with Bally's....... I had to 
cancel because of an injury to my neck.... and they requested
a cancellation fee.  I paid the fee and they never bothered
me again.  I think you've probably solved your problem by
paying the fee..... and next time, read the fine print.

If your problem isn't solved, remember this:

1.  The Collection Agency can NOT hassle you if you tell them
not to contact you (or your mother) again.  If they do, you can
sue them for violating the Fair Debt Collections act.  The can
not contact you after 9 pm your time.  They can NOT talk to
anyone else about the specifics of your case (this includes
your mother)... Any of these violations will allow you to
ask them to IMMEDIATELY remove you from their records.  If
they don't.... sue them.

On the other hand,   Bally's CAN do these things..... since
they would be collecting for THEMSELVES.  Hopefully they won't
though.

And for anyone else out there who is considering President's...
remember..... there are a LOT of people who have had the same
problem.... my suggestion is to find another health club if you
can.

See ya

Bill


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From: ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:12:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>
>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.

Feinstein is actually quite conservative.
>
I think we may see a change in the definitions of the terms liberal and
conservative over the next few years. As one analyst commented the other
day .. "The Liberal Republican doesn't' exist anymore."
Labels are such fun aren't they.

I would be interested to hear about the turnout in the precints across the
state. Mine was reporting an 82%-85% turnout. How did others do?
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:09:57 GMT

In <154@steiny.com> steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:


>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.
	That is an improvement for California and the US senate.

>	The Ayran Nation folks are centered in Idaho.     In general, the
>Identity Christians and other white supremisists live in the North West.
	JB society in Orange county, Metzer(sp) in San Diego north county.
Many are in Idaho but CA has its share.

>	Pete Wilson seems pretty liberal to me.    He is pro-choice and more.
	Only because the religous right in CA does not have the power in
the republican party as it does in the rest of the country.  You have to be 
pro choice in this state.  Petee is just running for president which is
why we had that fiasco last summer.  Willie is bumping up against term limits
and petee wants to relocate to DC.  That is what caused the problem last summer.

	DonB
From: adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Bloody English Weather???
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:26:03 GMT
Organization: Institute of Virology, Oxford

In article <sh.chen.47.721336707@fs3.mbs.ac.uk>, sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk (Sherman Chen) writes:
> In article <Bx8xHo.M2J@newcastle.ac.uk> Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk (Ben Dobson) writes:
>>Its alright for some.  Here am i in the middle of a typical day in North
>>Eastern England (Newcastle - to be exact) and its raining, its windy and they
>>say it hasn't even got cold yet (50 ish).   The sea is cold (40 ish) and dirty,
>>only the real airheads go surfing.
>>So tell me please whats the temp doing in Southern Cal. and has Sacremento
>>decided to go it alone ( only jesting).
> 
>>Well I'm off to become an ice block
> 
>>Ben
>>+------------------------------------------------+
>>e-mail : Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk
> 
> The same goes for here in Manchester, England.
> 
> Sherman Chen
> email:sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk
>       sh.chen%uk.ac.mbs.fs3@cns.umist.ac.uk

And it's *specially* cold in Oxford today!

Anthony.
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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: jjolly@jjolly.b24b.ingr.com (Jack G. Jolly)
Subject: Nightclubs - San Fran
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:32 GMT

I did this a while back when I was out to LA on business and it worked
pretty good, so I'll try it again now that I'm going to S.F.

What are the latest clubs in S.F.??

Went to DV8 last time - was OK

Any other places I sould check out while I'm out there??

	- dance music
	- hip/hop - bebop
	- good 'ol fashioned rock 'n roll

Leaving this Sunday - pls. reply ASAP :-)

Thanks in advance!!

JJ

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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: hall@satie.psu.edu (Peggy Hall)
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:18:43 GMT

Hehehe...that was humorous..
Im really sorry about that situation...
I think many many many people have been screwed by
  Bally. 
I was at one point involved with this corporation,
  but also moved.
I totally blew it all off..the mean money bullies and all..
I had some problems for a while..
But they seemed to drop it...
And my credit wasn't affected.
Weird, but true.
I have NO repect for this corporation now. At all.
I work out at school now...where it's free...:)
Have a happy day..
:-)

-Peggy
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: LOSERS!!! FAGGOTS!!! WHORES!!!
Keywords: You LOSE!!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:43:11 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software

steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:

>	I would say that 43% voted for Clinton and 60% voted against Bush.

	Which is pretty good turnout!    They did even better in Chicago.

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
From: sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk (Sherman Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Bloody English Weather???
Summary: Oh to be in the sun!
Keywords: weather, Santa Barbara, LA
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:18:27 GMT
Organization: Manchester Business School

In article <Bx8xHo.M2J@newcastle.ac.uk> Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk (Ben Dobson) writes:
>Path: nessie!mucs!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!newton!n03rf
>From: Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk (Ben Dobson)
>Newsgroups: alt.california
>Subject: Bloody English Weather???
>Summary: Oh to be in the sun!
>Keywords: weather, Santa Barbara, LA
>Message-ID: <Bx8xHo.M2J@newcastle.ac.uk>
>Date: 5 Nov 92 13:58:35 GMT
>Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
>Lines: 20
>Nntp-Posting-Host: newton

>Its alright for some.  Here am i in the middle of a typical day in North
>Eastern England (Newcastle - to be exact) and its raining, its windy and they
>say it hasn't even got cold yet (50 ish).   The sea is cold (40 ish) and dirty,
>only the real airheads go surfing.
>So tell me please whats the temp doing in Southern Cal. and has Sacremento
>decided to go it alone ( only jesting).

>Well I'm off to become an ice block

>Ben
>+------------------------------------------------+
>e-mail : Benjamin.Dobson@newcastle.ac.uk

>Department of Computing Science
>The University
>Newcastle upon Tyne
>England. NE1 7RU.                       0 0
>                                         ^
>"Be happy, smile, and don't be sad"     `-' 
>+------------------------------------------------+

The same goes for here in Manchester, England.

Sherman Chen
email:sh.chen@fs3.mbs.ac.uk
      sh.chen%uk.ac.mbs.fs3@cns.umist.ac.uk
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:14:53 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
>twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>
>>At best president Reagon was a senile, doddering old fool.
>
>>Unfortunately California literally teems with Hitler youth like Mr.
>>Burdorf, it is after all the home of Tom Metzger the infamous white
>>supremast and homophobe.  Other notables include the fascist and
>>homophobic member of congress Mr. Dannemeyer.  
>
>>However, California is not all bad.  Just watch out for the little lumps
>>of excrement like mr. Burdorf and his ilk.
>
>	Actually, from what I can read, Mr Burdorf agrees with you!   Hmm,
>must mean something.  
>

I'm glad someone noticed that I was attacking the right-wingers not
siding with them! TWLANE has got me wrong! Please be sure who you
are attacking and for what!


>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.

Well, I'd say it's debatable that Dianne Fienstein is a Liberal.  
She has a lot of corporate backing.  And while mayor of San Francisco,
she mostly towed the line for the business community.


>	Pete Wilson seems pretty liberal to me.    He is pro-choice and more.

It all depends where you are coming from.  If you are looking at it from
the point of view of the Christian right, Pat Buchanan is conservative,
Pete Wilson is liberal, and Ted Kennedy is a socialist.  But if you
look at it from the point of a European Social Democrat, Ted Kennedy is
conservative, Pete Wilson is arch-conservative, and Pat Buchanan is 
a fascist.

Chris "not a Reaganite" Burdorf
From: renner@cs.tu-berlin.de (Peter Renner)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: studying in California
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:11:53 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: giant.cs.tu-berlin.de

I am a german student who is absolutely crazy of California.
I would love to study somewhere there, but as everybody knows
studying in the US unfortunately is very expensive. 

So my question is: Is there a way for me to study at an american
university without paying several 1000 $ (e.g. working at the
university)? Which university in california should I choose?

I hope someone can help me !

Thanks in advance !!!

Peter
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:29:21 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software

twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:

>At best president Reagon was a senile, doddering old fool.

>Unfortunately California literally teems with Hitler youth like Mr.
>Burdorf, it is after all the home of Tom Metzger the infamous white
>supremast and homophobe.  Other notables include the fascist and
>homophobic member of congress Mr. Dannemeyer.  

>However, California is not all bad.  Just watch out for the little lumps
>of excrement like mr. Burdorf and his ilk.

	Actually, from what I can read, Mr Burdorf agrees with you!   Hmm,
must mean something.  

	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.

	The Ayran Nation folks are centered in Idaho.     In general, the
Identity Christians and other white supremisists live in the North West.

	Pete Wilson seems pretty liberal to me.    He is pro-choice and more.
He is in the unenviable position of not having enough money to pay for the
programs that many people in the state like, however that is the mistake of
blaming the messenger.   While I would like there to be lots of money for
the government to spend on anything I would like, there simply isn't.   You
can't blame Pete for that.  

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: rea@den.mmc.com (Vince Rea)
Subject: CSU - CAL POLY, SAN LUIS OBISPO
Originator: rea@avila
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:26:29 GMT



I have been told California state university -
Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo is one of the best
Schools in the country to receive a BS in
mechanical engineering. Is there any truth to
this statement. Does anyone have an opinion
good/bad on this school.

thanks
v.r.
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:15:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov5.201201.19306@netcom.com> ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis) writes:

>>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.
>
>Feinstein is actually quite conservative.

Only when compaired to Boxer.  The word to describe Feinstein is
moderate.  

Rick

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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:01:06 GMT


	California is no longer the place it used to be.  Not only is traffic
many times worse but no one knows how to drive anymore.  I was born in
the state and I leave it now and again.  This time when I returned i noticed
how bad the drivers have become.  Traffic and the low quality driver will
force me to leave again.

	DonB
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:19:21 PST

In article <1992Nov7.064354.29630@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
hlee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Henry Lee) writes:

>I'm planning on heading down to Berkeley for about a week
>in mid-December.  May I ask where I can find a city map of Berkeley?
>Better yet, if something like it is included with a map of
>San Francisco -or- the East Bay Area, help along those lines would
>be of great help as well.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Henry Lee
>
Try the Triple-A, with a weeks notice they can get you a map of almost
anywhere in the world.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: LOSERS!!! FAGGOTS!!! WHORES!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:55:35 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <152@steiny.com>, steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
>>55% of the nation voted against Clinton, so his 'mandate' is
>>hardly impressive.
>
>       Well, that is pretty bogus.    Considering how much Clinton's lead
>dropped when Perot got back in the race it is pretty clear that most 
>Perot supporters would have voted for Clinton if they had no other 
>choice.   But, even if that is not true since 17% voted for Perot it is
>impossible to tell who they were voting against.    The evidence suggests
>they were voting against Bush.    Certainly all the Perot supporters I 
>have met expressed this to me, and the polls are external evidence.
>
>       I would say that 43% voted for Clinton and 60% voted against Bush.
>
>-don
>-- 
>Don Steiny
>Don Steiny Software
>Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>(408) 425-0382
Right on Don!

This needs to be pointed out to these pointy hedded Right wingers on every
occaision that they quote this silly statistic!  They are actually trying to
delude themselves and the country about what happened in this election:  Their
failed values and policies were REJECTED! GONE, KAPUTE.  (at least for now.)

bye.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!