HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Subject: Geordi = Dilbert  SPOILERS for you dinner
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:42:11 GMT


Enough of this silly Kirk=Locarno=Picard=Boothby=God argument. Let's get
to a topic with real meat on it. I say

			 Geordi = Dilbert

I just saw the rerun of "New Ground" and saw how Geordi was excited
about the possibilities of the soliton wave but could not find anyone
else who was also excited. Also, in the episode "Mind's Eye" Geordi
plays a question and answer game with the shuttle computer about warp
fields. These are typical Dilbert actions. In addition to this we have
seen that Geordi is on a par with Dilbert when it comes to women. The
final proof was in the episode where Geordi mentioned a pet a
long time ago (I can't remember the episode name). I did some digging and
found that this pet was actually a dagget named Rags. And ... 

(Spoiler for season 6) 

on a future episode they will return to the planet of
the bimbo joggers and find that Rags has overthrown the orbital gods
and set himself up as King Rags I. Rags will convince Geordi that he
(Geordi) as chief engineer should be the rightful commander of the
Enterprise. Geordi then presents his arguments to Picard (using viewgraghs
with 10 overlays and 256 colors) who immediately has Geordi seized
and beamed out in space in a wide dispersal pattern.

-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
From: jkramer@sunwise.UWaterloo.ca (Viscous Pig Dog)
Subject: Re: (Spoilers First Duty)
Summary: Kirk was a geek. 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:01:11 GMT

Spoil this :


In article <1992Apr09.150353.546@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.uucp (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>First duty spoilers: Assumptions!
>
>Let's see, two things I think:
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
>2) Kirk=Locarno theory: BS!
>   You are all basing your theories on no data.  We have almost
>   no data on Kirk's days at the academy.  As a matter of fact the Kobyashi
>   Maru is the only reference I've seen to Kirk's Academy Days.
>

There is some reference in TOS : Shoreleave (I think that's the name).
They're on this planet where wierd stuff is happening (that should narrow it
down), white rabbits, WWII planes, samarai etc.

A bully from Kirk's academy days shows up and starts harassing Kirk. The fact
that he got picked on would suggest that his strength's were probably
not in the areas which would not make one popular ie. he was probably
a 'geek' as opposed to a football hero (or the academy equivalents). So
I don't think he'd be the type to put people in danger while trying
to impress the campus, he'd probably get into arguements with the profs
trying to proof how well his latest battle strategy would work.

Of course this is all IMO, based on about two lines of dialogue
from one TOS episode.

So, I agree Locarno can't be based on Kirk unless the TNG dudes are doing
more retconning.

Schlong,
Jeff Kramer.


-- 

"We're goin ta find out who the better man is, a chicken or a dog ...
 I tell ya boy, your mother's the better man" , Foghorn Leghorn.
                   "Education is a right", Phhhhhht.
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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: Asimov's cameo lost, too : -(
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.162908.3680@unix.brighton.ac.uk> wjmc@unix.brighton.ac.uk (-*_Spikey_Tribble_*-) writes:
>dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> Shame on the TNG staff for not following thru on the script that
>> had Data talking to a holographic Asimov on the holodeck...
>> 
>> No way to do that one now   :-(
>

Hmmm...well...I suppose "The Nth Degree" had Barclay talking to the real
Einstein on the holodeck?  Wow...imagine that...36 years of death and the
ol' guy didn't look a day over 76...


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Grading scales
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.192753.13425@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr3.154714.4133@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>>>If I were to take Atsushi seriously, I'd have to say that he
>>>sees TNG being on the same dramatic plane as, say, "Dallas" or "Three's
>>>Company". 
>
>>You realize, of course, I wouldn't hold either of the latter two
>>series (especially "3C") to the same standard as TNG. Both are
>>fluff series and I approach them as such. TNG, however, is frequently
>>lauded (both by third parties and itself) as Quality, Intelligent,
>>Thoughtful Television: a Holy Grail of broadcast TV. 
>
>Source, please.  I've seen a lot of the first three mentioned, but very
>rarely have I ever seen it implied that TNG somehow has a lock on quality
>or intelligence, and I don't think I've *ever* seen anybody I take 
>seriously give it the kind of "it's the best thing ever made for broadcast
>television" treatment your Grail comment implies.

Atsushi, I don't mean to use Tim's post as a "gang up on you" source,
but after I read this one, I realized that Tim makes the same point that
I was about to: mainly, that I don't hold TNG to be the Absolute
Towering Pinnacle of Television Drama.  I just want it to entertain me
for an hour.  This does not imply that I'm glad to take whatever Berman
and Company dish out, though.  It just means that I don't expect each
episode to provide me with the source material for a Ph.D. thesis on
Dramatic Sci-Fi. 


>
>I've seen a lot more statements to that effect made about TOS, actually.
>I don't agree with either--there are things I've seen on broadcast 
>television (is PBS included?) that put both to shame for all eternity.

I guess that this is like comparing apples and "gaagh".  Would I compare
"I, Claudius" to TNG?  No.  When watching TNG, my mind applies certain
acceptability criteria, just as with any other show.  For instance, when
I watch an old movie from the '40s, my expectations for realistic acting
are reduced.  This allows me to enjoy the movie, even though it's not up
to the drama standards of today.  Likewise, I expect a decent,
entertaining story with good characterization, some sci-fi and some good
SFX.  I'm not expecting 2001: A Space Oddessey every week.  It's a one
hour TV show.  It's a limited time to tell a story in (actually, closer
to 45 min, right?)  



>
>Tim Lynch


-- 
--------------
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Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."
From: fritzw@cpl-mfh.UUCP (Fritz Wonnacott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Hypercard stack episode guide
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:16:17 GMT
Organization: Clinical Pharmacokinetics Lab, SUNY at Buffalo

***
*** In article <1992Apr11.073529.19580@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
*** Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:
***

>Well, I finally got that file binhexed and everything (had to d/l it to
>IBM, put it on Mac, uncompress it, etc...<whew>)...  I have to say -
>that is incredible.  I don't remember who created this, but it's
>incredible.  Kudos to you and Timothy Lynch for providing the synopses. 
>
>
>How will updates to the stack be handled?  I.e. newer episode synopses. 
>Is it possible for the new episodes to be d/led and added to the stack? 
>Or would a new complete stack have to be d/led?
>
>Mike
>
>ps.  I love that intro with Patrick Stewart...
>
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

Where can one write to to get a disk based copy of this HyperCard Stack for
the Next Generation???  (!)

I would love to get this for my collection.  

Please SNAIL me (I don't have FTP capability... yet!):

	Fritz Wonnacott
	117 S. Chapel St.
	Gowanda, NY  14070-1333

Thanks.  And don't forget: I will pay for time, postage, etc.
(Even the disk (800K, please!!))

		Fritz W.
				-- The Big trekker
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:52:23 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Apr12.141238.2794@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

> Ms. Ro, on the other
>hand, is a shallow, cliche and obvious archetype that you can find in
>droves on the soaps.  

Yeah, she *does* remind me a lot of most of the TOS characters. (-:  Seriously,
I have a feeling that she's going to be fleshed out more next season.  She's
basically there now to see how other characters react off her.  Which is, by
the way, all that Alexander is.  Notice none of the episodes he's in involved
things concerning his point of view, it's always Worf's.  I think they used
this idea nicely in "Ethics."  He and Ro are character foils at the moment,
until the writers decide to make them something else.  Yeah, Ro's a cliche,
but cliches are cliches because they were originally good ideas, most of 
the time anyway, and have been overused.  I think she's got potential.


-- 
Jose Gonzalez
                       Spock- "In your own way, you are as stubborn as another
                               captain of the Enterprise I once knew."
                       Picard-"Then I'm in good company, sir."
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Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:20:30 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Mar31.001107.1007@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
> Riker suggests decompressing the shuttle bay...
> Data suggests using the tractor beam...
> Picard thinks, "I know what the "three" message means, it means
> I should go with the third suggestion. I'll wait for it."
> Boom!
> Picard's final thought: "Oops."

Why didn't Data choose the "obvious" and send a message of "Riker"?!
Same number of characters as "three", after all, and a lot less ambiguious!


                                       / /\  
Tom Tullio                            / / / 2                   The face of a
Wesleyan University                  / /  \           child can speak volumes.
----------------------------*       / / /\ \      *---------------------------
TTULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU         \_\/\ \ \       Especially the mouth part.
                                         \_\/
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Starfleet Academy question
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <72886@netnews.upenn.edu>, dalisay@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Reynaldo S Dalisay) writes...
> 
>Just one question:
> 
> 
>How long (in years, months, etc.) does it normally take to graduate
>from the Starfleet Academy?
> 

     "Four years..."  
           Data to Lore, "Datalore"


          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TOS NOVEL #59 - "THE DISINHERITED"
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:29:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr14.172957.505
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

"The Disinherited"
        
Number:             589         
Author:             Peter David, Michael Jan Friedman, and Robert    
                    Greenberger 
First Printing:     May 1992
ISBN:               0-671-77958-3
Pages:              261
Teaser:         The U.S.S. Enterprise faces a deadly alien fleet
        
Back Cover Text:
        
Gamma Xaridian--a peaceful Federation research colony that becomes the
third Federation world to suffer a brutal attack at the hand of a
mysterious alien fleet. With Lt. Uhura gone on an important mission of her
own, Captain Kirk and the U.S.S. Enterprise are dispatched to investigate
the attacks, only to find the planes completely devastated.
 
When another nearby colony is attacked, the U.S.S. Enterprise is ready and
encounters a fleet ofuc,mall and deadly ships. Though Kirk and his crew
manage to turn the raiders away, the U.S.S. Enterprise is severely damaged
and the aliens escape.
 
As Kirk adn his crew prepare for their next encounter with the raiders, Mr.
Spock makes a startling discovery about the purpose behind the alien
attacks--a purpose that, if realized, could have deadly conequences for the
Federation and the U.S.S. Enterprise...
 
        
Front Inside Cover Text:
        
"FORWARD PHASERS OUT!" CALLED SPOCK.
 
"Starboard shields buckling," the Vulcan continued. "Port shields can
sustain only two more hits."
 
"Captain, how about the Turnoga defence?" Chekov suddenly shouted. "In a
situation like thisQ"
 
"Not now, Mr.  Chekov!" snapped Kirk.
 
"But sir--"
 
"Ensign," said Kirk, "I don't have time to turn the bridge into an Acedemey
 lecture hall. Bring us around to 419 mark 6. Drop forward shields; prepare
for warp speed."
 
"What!" Checkov exclaimed. "Captain, even minimal warp will kick us right
out of the system! And with no shields, we'll be defenseless."
 
"Ensign, you're relieved," said Kirk sharply. "Palmer, take over. Mr.
Checkov, get the hell of the bridge. You're confined to quarters."


------------------
NOTES: Oops! Make the number from "589" to "59"
------------------
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TROI'S BIG BUTT
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:14:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr14.171426.505
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>I think Troi's butt is getting bigger.  This week, it was especially
>big this week.

She wanted more on-camera time, so she compromised--she got more of her on
camera :)

Dave
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Subject: Re: Re:(Spoilers First Duty)
From: lockharts@kscdl1.ksc.nasa.gov
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:49:05 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center, FL

Jeff Kramer writes:

>I also agree that Kirk will break orders but I haven't seen him do it
>for personal glory like what's his face did. I also think
>that Kirk wouldn't flout authority like Locerno; there
>is actually evidence, 'The Search for Eden' that shows that Kirk
>dislikes those who don't show the 'proper' respect for
>authority.  (Now that I think of it the hippies in the Search for Eden
>had the right name for Kirk, I just can't remember what it was.)


FYI...they called him "Herbert".  And it *is* a good name for Kirk. :-)


Susy
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From: cs201139@batman.acslab.umbc.edu (cs201139)
Subject: Re: Asimov's cameo lost, too :-(
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County, Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:24:01 GMT

>Shame on the TNG staff for not following thru on the script that
>had Data talking to a holographic Asimov on the holodeck...
>
>No way to do that one now   :-(

I had hoped that they would have Asimov play Dr. Soong as sort of a tribute
to the Robot novels, but I guess having Brent Spiner do all 3 parts was also
good. I didn't know they were thinking about having Asimov on the holodeck
but it would be been a good idea. Of course they had Einstein on the holodeck
as well as Moriarity (sp) and neither of those were the actual person. The
latter was a fictional character. If they really needed to do it maybe
have someone play him. That may be a slap in the face though. Would Asimov
have done it if they did want to do it?
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Subject: Re: Location of Academy and HQ (no spoilers for First Duty)
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 10:09:41 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <aelman.702099452@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
(Adam Elman) says:
>
>s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
>
>>knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
>
>>>Has anyone paid enough attention to scenes of Starfleet HQ and Starfleet
>>>Academy to determine where they might be w.r.t. to the Golden Gate Bridge?
>>>My intuition (based on just having seen First Duty) is that the Academy is
>>>definitely to the SW of the bridge.  I suspect HQ is on the SE side, (perhaps
>>>built on the Presidio?) but have no resources here to check.
>
>>In _A Flag full of Stars_ (Pocket #54) (ok non canon heads start
>>beating away) it is said that that is where SFHQ is and I recall
>>that the academy is close by (ie: next block or so).
>
>Well, to my recollection, it looks in ST VI (and ST IV, perhaps) as if
>SFHQ is, in fact, on the Marin County side of the bridge, and not in
>San Francisco at all.  In ST VI, HQ appears to be right around
>Sausalito...
>
>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu

In Cineflex magazine featuring SFX from STVI, page 47, depicting, in my
perspective, the western side from the north tower of the Golden Gate Bridge.
Starfleet Command location were previously established and thus, HQ location is
different from Academy's location.  (IMHO)

Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:4869 rec.arts.startrek.misc:3153
From: jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST posters (was Re: ALL the "Enterprises")
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:17:17 GMT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Newington, CT)

Speaking of posters, it would be nice if someone could convince Paramount 
to license a poster resembling the Klingon starmap shown in STVI...  After 
all, they did a set for the old ST.

(I say RESEMBLING because the one they used in the movie was only a quick 
job hacked together by Mike Okuda in about 15 minutes; just grids, lines, 
dots, ship cutouts, planet pictures, and greeked Klingon text.)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
       Jeff Lee - jlee@smylex.uucp - jlee%smylex.uucp@uhasun.hartford.edu
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  Iron rusts from disuse; stagnant water loses its purity and in cold weather
  becomes frozen; even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind -- da Vinci
From: farmer@cs.utk.edu (SUSAN FARMER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:38:24 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

In article <1992Apr7.222819.15352@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
 
 >In <1992Apr7.153822.9688@cupnews0.cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com 
     (Mark Runyan) writes:
 >
 >>bbrown@willamette.edu (Brian Brown) writes:
 >[...]
 >>>2)	Why is Star Fleet Academy on Earth?  I always had the impression that
 >>>	it was in orbit somewhere...
 >
 >>From the original Technical Manual, we have a diagram of the Star Fleet
 >> and it is a space station ...

Didn't they tell Wes that he was "grounded" for another year?  I took it to
mean he would have to stay planetside (perhaps at the planetside portion
of the academy) for another year before being allowed to go into space 
(i.e. the space station).  IMHO.

Susan



-- 
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I can't even find time to clean house and you want me to come up with a .sig?
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:54:59 GMT

 > What type of punisment is not advancing with your class in a
 > military acadmey?
 > 
 > A severe one, especially for a "wunderkund" like Wesley. Every
 > one knows that you have severly messed up. So you are now of
 > lesser rank than your former fellow classmates. You also
 > become subject to EVERY concievable type of practicle joke
 > known to exist.

Teaching them humility does sound like a good idea, but making
them waste time retaking courses is asinine.  The punishment
should fit the crime.  Make them admit their hubris...  make 'em
wear a scarlet A or something.

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From: cs201139@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs201139)
Subject: Re: Picard is old! (Minor First Duty spoiler)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:08:32 GMT

>Wan't MCCoy a RETIRED admiral when he was in Encounter? Also, McCoy could barely walk.  I wouldn't say Picard is still young.  He might live to be a ripe old
>age, but that doesn't mean he'll be usefull(in an active-duty Starfleet front
>line type of way-no flames about old age meaning uselessness please).
>By the way, if McCoy was supposed to be decommisioned in STVI, how could he be
>a retired Admiral?

Where do you get off saying that? They wanted to decommision the Enterprise,
but what's stopping the officiers from going on to other parts of Starfleet.
Nothing...McCoy could go be a teacher at the Adacemy or work for Starfleet
Command. The Enterprise is not the only ship in Starfleet! Maybe Sulu would
welcome McCoy on as CMO?