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From: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Keywords: Woow! Scary!
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:52:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: wuecl.1992Nov16.025219.19866
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

In article <1992Nov13.000519.16373@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma) writes:
>As far as I know, this week's Next Magazine got something on this matter. I 
>heard that it is the cover story. Go to chinatown and buy a copy if anyone
>of you would like to read more informations. 
>
>Also, I heard that the *bleeding* kid was a girl because "she" is wearing a
>dress, but her legs could not be seen clearly. Her parents said she was dead
>before the ad was shot. 
>
>Can someone in HK kindly tell us what other magazine talked about this besides
>Next Magazine? 

i bet the whole thing was planned by the Next Magazine...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: guox@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Xuan-Hui Guo)
Subject: help
Organization: NYU Chemistry Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:01:56 GMT

Can some one tell me where I can buy the book:"returining to hongkong"?
Thank you in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: karkam@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kar Kam)
Subject: Re: Wennies re TRASHED!!
Keywords: Wennies
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:28:43 GMT

In article <zLH=at_@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.234836.719@leland.Stanford.EDU> karkam@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kar Kam) writes:
>>What a runaway in the 95th Big Game!
>>
>>Wennies re just trashed back home across the bridge by 41-21 !! 
>>(some nice desperate on-side kicks though)
>>
>>Yes, GO CARDINALS !!!
>>
>>DKam
>>
>
>For those who doesn't know what's up:
>
>Stanford Univ. (the Cardinals) just trashed Univ. of California at Berkeley's
>football team.  One should recall, however, that Univ. of Washington, Seattle
>(the Huskies) trashed Standford 42-7 a few weeks ago.
>
>- Louis
>
>


If one team s not the national champ contender, ONLY the Big Game counts.
Tashing opponent in the Big Game s better than getting beat or a TIE,
which take you right out of national champ competition.  Right?
BTW, TIE s just as bad as a lose at the end of the season.

DKam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jwong@cs.arizona.edu (John Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:49:04 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


    I was wondering how some of you feel about the traditional Chinese
family values in these day and age.
    The traditional Chinese family values is :
    1)  The parents take care of the children
    2)  Children should tell everything that is happening in their
        lives and every thoughts that they have, even when the children
        are into adolescence and into adulthood
    3)  When the children grow up, especially for the guys, they
        should continue to live with their parents even after they
        get married so that the parents will not feel being left alone

    So here are some questions :
    A)  Which one of the above points are still applicable today? Why?
        Which are not? Why?
    B)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
        when you go to college?
    C)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
        after you start working in a permanent job?
    D)  Do you feel that you should continue to live with your parents
        after you get married?
    E)  About what percentage of all the things and thoughts that you tell your
        parents about?
    F)  Do you feel that there is a generation gap between you and your 
        parents?


--
John Wong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:33:44 GMT

In article <BxtpMG.7pr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b86@dcl-nxt10.cso.uiuc writes:

>In article <BxtHB6.8K4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  
>psmkong@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Kong) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for  
>one,
>> did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.  
>
>But KCR has been there for about 100 years.
>
>Richard

	But What if Mary Kong is EXACTLY 17 years old now?

I left Hong Kong 17 years ago also, but I go back there fairly often and
before someone enlightened me on KCR I could only associate it with the
Kowloon bus company. Now I know it stands for Kow-Guang Tit Lou.

							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: re-post message on Nanking Massacre
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.131724.24615@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> chan@aloft.att.com writes:
>Dear friends:
>
>The 55th anniversary of the Nanking Massacre is upcoming, and this
>will be the third year the overseas Chinese in North and South Americahave actively participated in the commemoration of this unforgettable
>tragedy in modern history.
>

[...Stuff deleted...]

>
>The recent visit of China by Emperor Arkihito marks the beginning of a
>new era of the Sino-Japanese relation.  Although we are all disappointed
>by Japan's refusal to apologize and compensate for the war crimes, theEmperor's visit nevertheless has forced the Japanese to remember and

	Well, expectedly disappointed...

>to think about what their ancestors had done to China.
>For example, a survey in Japan showed that more than 50% of the people
>being interviewed believed that the Emperor should apologize during
>his visit to China.  There have also been debates on whether the Emperor
>or the Diet (the Congress) should apologize.
>
>It is clear that Japan is very eager to become
>politically strong (e.g., being a member of the security
>council of UN) after being economically strong.  This
>is thus a good chance for us to force Japan to face and take responsibility
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^....
	Why must we *force* Japan to apologise if she's actually unwilling
to... Sounds rather like we're begging Japan for something :-c  

	In fact they(the Japanese) seem to be passing themselves off as the
good gangs(read some more soc.culture.japan when you've got a second...)  

---Just my 2 yens,  
	Bill
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chan@aloft.att.com
Subject: re-post message on Nanking Massacre
Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:17:24 GMT

Dear friends:

The 55th anniversary of the Nanking Massacre is upcoming, and this
will be the third year the overseas Chinese in North and South Americahave actively participated in the commemoration of this unforgettable
tragedy in modern history.

During the last three years, with the effort of Chinese around the
world, we not only have contributed to the education of our people, but
also to the education of the West on the Nanking Massacre.  We hope
our campaign will eventually contribute to the education of Japan's
new generation, not only on the Nanking Massacre alone, but more generally
on the sufferings their country brought to China and the rest of the world
during the War.

In Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union will urge theEducational Department to revise the Chinese History curriculum for
the secondary school to emphasize more on the Sino-Japanese War,
particularly the Nanking Massacre.  Similar lobbying plans have been
proposed in California.  We hope the same can be done elsewhere.

The recent visit of China by Emperor Arkihito marks the beginning of a
new era of the Sino-Japanese relation.  Although we are all disappointed
by Japan's refusal to apologize and compensate for the war crimes, theEmperor's visit nevertheless has forced the Japanese to remember and
to think about what their ancestors had done to China.
For example, a survey in Japan showed that more than 50% of the people
being interviewed believed that the Emperor should apologize during
his visit to China.  There have also been debates on whether the Emperor
or the Diet (the Congress) should apologize.

It is clear that Japan is very eager to become
politically strong (e.g., being a member of the security
council of UN) after being economically strong.  This
is thus a good chance for us to force Japan to face and take responsibility
of her inglorious past, but THIS MAY WELL BE OUR LAST CHANCE.
If Japan manages to stand firm in the next few years, she may be able
to get away with it forever!  If Japan does not learn from the past
for which an enormous price has been paid by the people of both
countries, what we expect to see is another repetition of history.
Let's continue with our campaign this year and keep up with the good work!
New Jersey Hong Kong Network (NJHKN)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:43:54 EST
From: <LAMC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Gaels is No. 1

Well, since there were messages on US college football. I may as well post
some news on Canadian college football.

The Queen's University Golden Gaels just captured the Vanier Cup ( the Canadian
university championship). The final was Golden Gaels vs St. Mary Huskies.
The final score was 31 - 0. BIG WIN FOR THE GAELS!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lic2@rs6406.ecs.rpi.edu (Chi-Cheung Li)
Subject: Carnegie Mellon
Reply-To: lic2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:59:54 GMT

Does anyone attend CMU?  Send a email to me please.

lic2@rpi.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: re: simplification
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:54:33 GMT

Unfortunately, this particular access that I use to network news is annoying
and I can't seem to figure it out yet, so the reply I wrote went into
alt.chinese.text and I can't get into the newsgroup to post it here...until I
do, I guess anyone who wants to see it has to mosy over to alt.chinese.text
Sorry for the inconvience. I'll try to get it back to repost here.

-JS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Sports
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 16:06:10 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <lgvpl7INN9r6@victoria.cs.utexas.edu> s662@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:
>
>Personally, I think these re interesting and sometimes informative.  To me,
>I m more interested in these little things than those discussions on movie
>stars or singers.  I havent heard their names anyway.
>

Well, since most Hong Kong youngsters like to play basketball.  I'd kindly
suggest those in the U.S. pay attentions to the Michigan Wolverines this year.
Last year, the 5 freshmen starters (the Fabulous Five) marched all the way to
play for National Championship (and lost to Duke, the defending champion).

This year, they're ranked #1 in the nation and is the heavy favorite to win
the national championship.  Check the games vs. Duke on Dec.05.  

I mentioned this because they played rather in a street-wise style, which is 
quite different from what most of you used to see (and play).  But heck, they
are damn amazing!


- Louis
From: ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HongKong should have a democratic government NOW!
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:06:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

There have been a lot of traffic in past week about HongKong and what
a failed British politician (thrown out of office by his constituents
earlier this year) has been doing in this British to-be-ex-colony.

Well, let's get back to our dollar and sense --- forget about all of
hot air blown by politicians (remember how attractive and popular
the Communism Utopia was in 50's & 60's??? ).

Does the New HongKong Airport really have to cost $100 billions?
Why the contracts have been alway granted to the British-related
companies while other bids are at least 1/3 lower???

Who will pay the messy debt left by the British-colonist-administered
airport project???  CCP has said they won't.  Those British `Saviors'?
Sorry, they will be busy at cashing in the money they have been milking
from HongKong to U.K., in form of being elected to high positions ---
after all, HongKongers never had the right to elect their own governers,
not to mention that they will have no say in the U.K.'s politics.

To British, HongKongers are just colonism-subjects, plain and simple.
Want to immigrate to Britain?  Sorry you slant-eye chinks, this is
our Whitemen's land.  Want to be appointed to the high positions in
HongKong government?  Whitemen only.  Want us to pay the airport debt???
Are we stupid??? --- that's not our British's business after 1997.
You'd better raise the tax to do it.

IMHO, HongKong should get rid of the British-colonist government and
have a democratic government NOW --- all contract-granting procedures
must be open to the public, no preference should be given to those
British-related companies, and instead, preference should be given to
HongKong-based companies.  Expel those with foreign citizenships
from high-level HongKong government positions, unless they renounce
their foreign citizenships --- if they pledge their allegiances to
another country, how can they REALLY work for the interest of HongKong
people???

Just some food for thought.

James Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: dhyman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Hyman)
Subject: O'Brien road 7-Eleven busted.......(finally)
Summary: 6 Dealers busted
Keywords: Heroin, Dealer, and Jail
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:53:06 GMT


On Wednesday the 17th of November at 8pm police raided the O'Brien Road
7-Eleven and arrested 6 heroin dealers. Fo those native HongKongers, you
might know the the 7-Eleven is an infamous dealing point for young chinese
and expatriates. The place operates 24 hours a day and a little packet of
heroin costs just $120 Hong Kong dollars. Last year a South China Morning
Post write was offered som while he was getting a drink, and he wrote
about it in the paper, so, finally a year later they decide to raid the
place. But undoubtedly new dealer will just take their place. The six
dealers were released on 5000 dollars bail and the hearing continues...

-ThaiStick (yes, I'm back)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / hchan@gallium.uwindsor.ca (Henry Chan) /  4:37 pm  Nov 17, 1992 /

>Why is CI more useful these days?  I am a CI holder, but I don't see the
>advantage of CI over BNO.

>Henry

I don't mean CI is better than BNO. I meant CI is more useful these day
than before in the 60s or early 70s.

Yuk
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:36:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) / 12:25 am  Nov 21, 1992 /

>> 
>> Fact: Dr.Sun was a Ching supporter when he just came to China.

>       Huh?  Care to elaborate?  I missed that part of the history somehow?

>- C. H. Yang
>----------

First, he did not just came to China but returned. After he got his MD and
became a GP in Hong Kong. He returned to China and sent a 10,000 word letter
to Li Hung Cheung to suggest "Use all the tenent of people, Use all the
usage of things and let goods moving perfectly". He only change his mind
after Li refused (or not power enough (dare not) suggest to the Court).
From: s662@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: re Gaels is N re: Gaels is No. 1
Date: 22 Nov 1992 13:59:35 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov22.180610.582@bmerh85.bnr.ca> whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hu
ng Leung) writes:
>
>Well, since other people have posted news on US college football,
>UCAA results, etc.  Perhaps I should post BNR volleyball league
>results here as well.  Heck, it is just as irrelevant to schk anyway.
>
>--

So take out all those sports, fourier series, moving to Hawaii, looking for
textbook, car runing on Germany highway, some China/Taiwan's magazine table
of contents, etc, etc, from SCHK. Is that what you mean?!!?

Personally, I think these re interesting and sometimes informative.  To me,
I m more interested in these little things than those discussions on movie
stars or singers.  I havent heard their names anyway.

BTW, skip those messages you arent interested in.  And I dont care if you
junk my messge.  Feel free to do so and enjoy the world of freedom......
From: Andy.Woo@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Andy Woo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Help me access network in HK
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:32:43 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hello Raymond!

Tuesday November 10 1992, Raymond Man  writes to All:

 RM> I am going back to HK on Tuesday (Nov 10). While I am in HK,
 RM> I wish to keep in contact with folks here. Is there any
 RM> HK folks here who can let me send message through them?
 RM> Or is there any other way?

    Yes, just get a notebook (you should know what I mean by notebook!) plus a modem, then you can hook up one of the node of Fidonet in HK!  There are over 400BBSes and some of them have this newsgroup.
    Anyway, when you see this message, you may already hooked up the fidonet over here! ;-)

73
Andy.Woo!f275.n700.z6.fidonet.org
--  
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Internet: Andy.Woo@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org
From: Anthony.Kwan@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Anthony Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: The commercial by KCR (is ridiculous)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:35:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On <Nov 11 04:39>, Ringo K. LI of 6:700/1.300 wrote to All:

 RKL> From: kwli@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Ringo K. LI)
 RKL> Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

 RKL> Can anyone in Hong Kong tells more?? 
 RKL> Is this film still on the air??

It was on air again on last Friday but I think it is pointless to discuss more about it.

- BR, Anthony Kwan - 
Environment + IT Net
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:33:27 GMT

In <1992Nov21.043127.11534@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:


>Right! But to many people are fooled by Patten's show. Before 1997, even
>if there were 100% direct elected seat in LegCo, the ultimated source of
>power is still from Britain. We, Hong Kong people, still have no right
>to choose our own government. The Governor still have absolute right to
>dismiss the LegCo and refrom ExCo. What's the different compared to the
>past 100 years. 

Uhm... In such case, should we just fold our arms and wait for the 
democracy to come?


>WAKE UP EVERYBODY. Patten is just using us as bargaining chip to CHINA.
>Whether Hong Kong has democracy is not the main point. The main point is
>that how much money Britain can take from Hong Kong in the remaining
>years. 

I am so sorry to learn that there are some people still believe in  
conspiracy theories. Even though if the motivation of Mr. Pattern's 
proposal is only for British interests, should we reject all reasonable
political reform proposals made by him? The point is that DO YOU REALLY 
WANT DEMOCRACY OR NOT. If yes, you need to come out and stand for it. If 
you really think that Mr. Patten is making use of us for his own 
political interests, why not we just think that we, the Hong Kong 
People, are actually using him to speed up the phase of democracy in H.K.?

For those people who still believe in conspiracy theories, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!
LOOK REALLY WHAT YOU NEED.

Conspiracy theories may be good for some novels but it is certainly not
 suitable for our real world and OUR FUTURE. WAKE UP!

>The governor has never listened to the people but the BIG MOUTHs in Hong
>Kong. What we people want are low property price, low inflation rate,
>better health care, better education system, better social wellfare ...
>Only the BIG MOUTHs want 20 or more direct elected seats in LegCo. No
>body cares people's life. 

Do you believe that our social wellfare can be improved without a well
 developed democracy system? Or are you just telling the H.K. people to 
beg Beijing government for better living condition? Without democracy, 
our "social welfare" will eventually go into someone's pockets --- Beijing
 bureucracy or the businessman in H.K. Without democracy, in 2000, we 
may be forced to put all our salary to buy patriotic cupons in order 
to support the Olympic game in Beijing.

We cannot just wait for Beijing government to give us better living 
conditions, we have to speak for ourselves. Democracy is a mean to do so.


>Hong Kong do need democracy now and in the future. But if the price is
>too high, I will withdraw.

Do you really think that the increase of elected seats in LegCo will 
result in riots or economic breakdown in H.K.?

Now, I wonder if the editor of the official "People's Daily" has entered our 
net.


Great Era.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan