HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:43:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.jgn3mig
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

edw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh) says:
>The XV920RJ and XV920RH had the enclosed chain ( the same bike, just 81 and
>82 model years ) It was a Euro style bike with a Virago engine. (low bars,
>slight cafe style, gaiters over front forks, big round headlight). It is
>essentially the same as the TR1 sold in Europe and Australia. Was the
>TR1 sold in Canada?

No, the XV920 was. I came very close to buying one in 1981; the Seca 750
won out instead. 

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                  Silicon Graphics Advanced Systems Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: Stafford@vax2.winona.msus.edu (J Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Ducati Inquiry
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:10:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Apr8.131057.351
Organization: msus

I want a Ducati and have found the following.  I know the
builder/owner and the mechanical work is impeccable.  It
has a well documented 12,000 miles on it, with some hard
riding (but not prolonged racing.)

1975 860GT with all 750SS body parts (tank, etc), new paint,
machined one-off resets, Bubs (sp?) pipes.  He wants $3,800.

Ball park -- might it be worth that much?  Ducati evangelists
comments welcomed!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:36:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Physical Sciences Lab

In article <1992Apr09.145644.9269@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.211812.8799@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.192634.8953@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> wjp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.j.penschow) writes:
>>>474 cc displacement with 4 valves per cylinder, fed through a pair of (I
>>BZZT wrong 496 cc 2 valves per cyl.
>Correction, I know for certain than '80 and '81 have 4 valves per cyl. I've
>adjusted them myself.
>

Your right, I don't know what I was thinking! possibly about the double disks
on my front end! Somebody hit me with the idoit stick, please!!! #:')
Someday I'll figgure out this darn editor...
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From: ridgway@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Ridgway)
Subject: Cited for wearing earplugs? (was Re: MOTORCYCLING MAKES YOU DEAF...)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 21:46:59 GMT

frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>* Several states get spastic over headphones, but I've never come across
>*any place that prohibited earplugs.  Where is this?

>California. ...  The foam or rubber 
>blobs that reduce all sounds are illegal.  So are earphones covering
>both ears. ...

Does anyone know anyone who has actually been  *cited*  for this?
I'm not disinterested, as I tend to use earplugs on any long ride...

-- Alex Ridgway    DoD #48
From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Riding SF -> LA & back, alone
Date: 15 Apr 1992 17:45:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <6285@public.BTR.COM> jamesf@btr.btr.com writes:
>Hi alll... sorry for the countrywide distribution but there wasn't a CA
>option, and I wanted this to get to LA. 
>
>I have a wedding to go to in 2 weeks in LA, and I was thinking about riding 
>down (I live near San Jose). So I am soliciting experiences from people
>who have done this. Note: This will be my first ride > ~75 miles, and (unless
>someone wants to join me) I will be doing it alone. I'd like to know about 
>how long it takes, spending maybe half the time on the main freeways. Is it
>unwise to do this having never ridden long distance before? I'm pretty sure
>the bike is up to it, I haven't had any problems with it so far. I don't know
>the exact route I'd be taking, so any reccomendations/warnings on roads would
>be greatly appreciated. 
>
>Thanx!
>Jim

I have ridden between SF and LA two or three times, and the only way to go
is PCH (the pacific coast highway for you non-californians) also known as
highway 1... Especially if you are starting from San Jose, it's pretty easy
to jump over to the coast, and if you don't get caught up in a bunch of
traffic, you can make really good time, and it will be fun!  The fun stops
around san luis obispo, however, and from there to santa barbara you really
have to watch out for CHP... I got busted in that stretch about a year ago
while riding to LA with three other friends... We were lucky, because the
guys leading were going about 115mph right before the cop(s) got us... They
only ticketed us for 85mph, but the fine there was still $279 so BEWARE...

Between SB and LA is pretty boring highway driving, but some of it is along
the ocean, so it is infinately better than going down I-5, the boring drive
from hell on a motorcycle... I'm also prejudiced about I-5 because the only
time that I have had mechanical trouble on my bike was when I went down 5..
.. The piston started slapping the top of the cylinder (ouch)... But that's
another story altogether!

It's going to take you a while to get there along the coast, probably 4 or
maybe 5 more hours than down 5, but it is much more fun!  You can always 
pull over by the road and watch the ocean for a while also, the only CHP I
have ever seen on 1 were in a Bronco!.. There is a restaurant and gas
station in lucia (nothing else though) and you get to go through big sur
(i think)... beautiful!

-uncle dan

btw: I'm going down to pick up my broken bike this weekend, and will be 
coming back along the coast... Too bad, you're not going down sooner or
we could come back together...
From: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Nighthawk S
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:44:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sipm5INN12p
Reply-To: meeker@step2.berkeley.edu (Gary O. Meeker)
Organization: UCB EECS
NNTP-Posting-Host: step2.berkeley.edu


Hi,

I have been considering getting another used bike and am 
looking into getting a Honda Nighthawk S.  I think they
were produced in the mid 80's.  Does anyone have any experience
with this bike?  Any comments on the performance, handling, 
reliability, etc. would be appreciated.

Also, how does this model differ from other Nighthawk models 
of the same year?  Any idea what a good price range would be?

Thanks in advance,

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: How does a dyno work?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:59:06 GMT

moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.133734.2312@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:

>[ a very informative description of how a dyno is used to determine brake
>horsepower output ]

>So how do you determine torque, and for us non-physiscist, non-engineer
>types who barely got through high school physics, how is torque related to
>horsepower?

Torque is a the result of a force acting perpendicular to a moment arm.
A wrench is a good example.  The longer the wrench, the larger the torgue
will be.  Likewise, the larger the force, the larger the torque.  Work = 
Energy = Force * distance = Torque * angular distance.  The work that the
engine puts out is torque * angular distance.  Power is rate of doing work.
Power = Force * distance / time = Toque * angular distance / time =
torque * angular velocity.  Power is engine torque * angular velocity.  
Horsepower, is one unit measurement of Power.  
What this means is that an engine will produce more power as rpms go up 
(assuming torque relatively constant).  Many people say there engines are
great because they do not have high horsepower, but have high torque.  This
is misleading.  But running the power through a transmition so that the   
output shaft is running at the same speed as the engine with the high 
torque, the high horsepower engine will have a higher output torque.

To answer your question simply, horsepower = torque * engine speed * units
conversion

Mark	Agricultural Engineers are inovators for Agriculture (and everything else)
> - Steve
>moseley@u.washington.edu
>DoD # 1951, COG, HOG, AMA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: ELECTRONIC COUNTERMEA
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> Funny, in six years of 80 mile/day commuting, averaging 70mph, I
-> never got a ticket, using only my eyes and experience.  My friends
-> who drive by radar detector _all_ had between 2 and 8 tickets during
-> the same period.

 That's because a detector is a passive device.  The rider sits there
like a clump.  The buzzer goes off, and he hauls down on the brakes.  No
thought required.  Much simpler than actually *looking* for cops.
Pfaugh.
From: joeh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joseph L. Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: to call a Harley...  MINE!!
Keywords: harley davidson
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:05:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

>   she said i can! she said i can!  she said iiII  CAAANNN!!

Do it!!! LIVE TO RIDE! It's a whole different world on a scoot.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bcd@ankylosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bryan Dunlap)
Subject: Re: Cheap mail-order helmets
Originator: bcd@ankylosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: OSU Computer & Info. Science Dept.
	<mstoller.52@gdalsrv.sas <1992Apr10.173635.7317@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.173635.7317@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:

   Was this a mettalic solid color?  I think they charge about 25.00 more
   if it is.

Yup.  Mine is pearl white and my friend's is light metallic blue.
Paid $135 each for them.  Their listed as the same price as
non-metallic. 
-- 
Bryan Dunlap, OSU CIS IICF/LAIR      | Giving money and power to government is
bcd@cis.ohio-state.edu  614/292-6350 | like giving whiskey and car keys to 
2036 Neil Ave. Columbus OH 43210     | teenage boys.  -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD marital aid announcement
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 26856@colorado.edu, garnett@news.Colorado.EDU (Santiago de la Paz) writes:
>                       THE DoD PRODUCT LIST (planned)
>                       
>    - DoD beer

An excellent suggestion!

>    - DoD tequila

illegal.  :^(

>    - DoD condoms (specify normal, ribbed, or llama skin)

This has been done.  Bob Pasker required customization of the motto.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: edw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:57:07 GMT
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

The XV920RJ and XV920RH had the enclosed chain ( the same bike, just 81 and
82 model years ) It was a Euro style bike with a Virago engine. (low bars,
slight cafe style, gaiters over front forks, big round headlight). It is
essentially the same as the TR1 sold in Europe and Australia. Was the
TR1 sold in Canada?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  Edward Walsh
                                  edw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
                                  Hewlett-Packard Company
                                  Disk Memory Division, MS213
                                  P.O. Box 39   Boise,Idaho 83707
                                  (208)323-2174
                                  FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Re All That Cop Bashing
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:14:12 GMT

In  <1992Mar23.213619.10494@seas.gwu.edu> declan@seas.gwu.edu
(Declan McCullagh) writes:

   So twenty units above posted speed doesn't seem that far off.

In New York it is 10 on 55mph non-Interstate and 15 on the Interstate.
(I just left NY last month.)  On the DC Beltway it seems to be at
least 20mph on my bike during day-time non-rush.  From traffic
patterns in other palces, it seems to be about 15 over on multi-lane
is accepted.  Which is good, because you have even more ridiculously
bogus speed limits here than I had grown accustomed to.

   Interestingly enough, I've been down in the D.C. area for the past
   eight months or so and have received no speeding tickets or warnings.
   Coincidence, or do DC/MD/VA's finest have more to do than harass
   errant speeders?  Or am I just more careful?  :-)

Judging by the sheer numbers of VA cops I see around between Reston
and Falls Chruch, I'd say they're pretty fascist and do a lot more
enforcement.  Of course, it is somewhat relative; they did a fair
amount of enforcement in Upstate NY, but had fewer total people to
monitor on the roads.

Anecdote:  when my girlfriend came to visit me, we missed the @$$@##
5S MetroBus to Reston and so would have to wait an hour for the next
one.  So we opted to put her in a cab, which I led on my bike to my
place.  I drove at about 10 over, because I thought that going slower
would have been insulting to the cabbie.  (Having ridden Boston and
NYC cabs, I was not expecting the non-breakneck pace of these.)
During the ride he apparently told her something to the effect that,
"The police don't stop bikers around here."  He surely didn't mean not
at all, but the sheer fantasy of it is a dangerous influence to me. :-/
Of course, though this fellow is on the road all the time, I'm not
inclined to trust hist testimony, especially as affected by his point
of view.

   ObMoto: Has anyone data (or speculation) on how likely a motorcyclist
   is to be stopped if he/she is speeding with the flow of traffic?
   Compared to a cage?

I've never been stopped going with the flow, and I make it a point to
go with the fastest flow I can find.
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: WHAT TO CALL A HARLEY
Date: 13 Apr 1992 18:07:54 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Not all gone

In article <9450@wrgate.wr.tek.com> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>In article <3124.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>>Rokon... is Rokon still around?  The dirt bike specialists like Penton
>>are gone.                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                      ATK is alive and well, and builds
>                                      some great (but expensive) dirt
>                                      bikes.                                                                                

Doesn't ATK also build a street-legal as well?  If so, that makes at
least three current manufacturers of street bikes in the USA,
even though Harley gets all the attention as "the only American
motorcycle."  (Buell, ATK, H-D)

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Dave Tharp                      | Dod #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
>| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
>| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
>| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
>| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
>|                                 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
>| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Look at all those bikes.  Gads.  (Jealous)

Speaking of /2's, I saw my old /2 the other day.  I sold it in November
to buy the P-D and it was in PERFECT RESTORED CONDITION.  The poor thing
has really been abused for the past five months.  He put on really ugly
handlebars, removed the turn-signals at the ends of the handgrips, 
put on ghastly engine bars, and it doesn't appear to have been washed.
He owns it now, so he certainly has a right to do all this stuff, but it
still broke my heart.

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Warning re. shoe-laces...
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:30:08 GMT

>
>Not to mention the horrible things that might happen if the lace helped
>suck your foot into a chain......
>
>That's why I put zipper inserts into the combat boots that I wear for 
>trips. 
>
>Ron



I know someone this happened to. Their heel got totally mangled.
Please be careful so this doesn't happen to you.  This person is
partially handicapped as a result of the injury and it happened years ago.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews)
Subject: Rollins Pass/Needle's Eye Tunnel update
Summary:  Next year on Rollins Pass
Originator: matthews@ajsh
Organization: JILA, University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:23:32 GMT

From the Daily Camera, April 10, 1992:

"COMMISSIONERS REFRAIN FROM DECISION ON TUNNEL

   Unable to choose between the transportation and historic values of
the Needle's Eye Tunnel on Rollins Pass, the Boulder County Commissioners
earlier this week decided to postpone a decision about how to repair it.  

   The commissioners agreed that none of the five options presented to
them was acceptable. Options [ranged from] doing nothing, which would
protect the historic aspect of the tunnel, to lining the tunnel walls 
with concrete - which some thought would be the same as destroying it.

   The commissioners decided to at least make the tunnel safer for
visitors by the time the road to the tunnel opens in late June or early
July.  County engineers are expected to come back with proposals
that might include barricades or signs in mid-May.

   The tunnel itself will stay closed until final repairs are made, 
said Shelly Nolde, Boulder district ranger for the U.S. Forest Service.

   The county has been struggling with what to do about the tunnel
since July 1990 when a Denver man was injured in a rock slide in
the tunnel."

-- 
-Alex Matthews (matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu)
DoD #0010   
"Every particle continues in its state of rest or uniform motion in a 
straight line except insofar as it doesn't."  -- Sir Arthur Eddington
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scot evan leith <sleith@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Warning re. shoe-laces...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:34:06 -0500

In article <j8o1m6k@fido.asd.sgi.com> spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
><SULDAL@ESOC.BITNET> says:
>>Rider wearing tennis-shoes cruising along happily, until intersection
>>with red stop signal is encountered.
>
>Sounds like what I did at Laconia in '83.... cruising along on my 
>Honda Interceptor, in a pack of straight-pipe Harleys. Looking very
>out of place. Come up to a red light, right in the centre of the pack.
>Realize that the laces on my high-tops are looped around the shift
>lever.....
>
>Me: "Get off the bike, VERY CAREFULLY"
>SO: "Why?"
>Me: "Just do it. Now. CAREFULLY. Don't tip the bike."
>
>So, she slides off the seat, as the light turns green, and the pack of
>Harleys roars away, most likely swearing about my intellectual capacity.
>Once my girlfriend undoes my laces and gets back on, we managed to make the
>now-orange light, and continue. When we got to Hart's, I double-tied my
>laces in nice, small, loops. Shortly thereafter I bought some real bike
>boots.
>
>....paul
>
>-- 
>Paul Spencer                  Silicon Graphics Advanced Systems Division
>spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California

I have a little old KZ 400 Ltd and I "used" to ride it around town in
just a t-shirt, shorts and a pair of deck shoes.  I should have known
better but I didn't.  I was just cruising through town one afternoon
when I came up on a car at a red light.  I was going fairly fast for
in town driving but that was the norm.  As I went to shift down as I
slowed I realized that my shoestring had caught on the shift lever.  I
thought that I was about to lose all of the skin on my legs.  I tried
to lean down while coasting and loosen it but as I did the bike leaned
a little too far and started to fall to the left.  Luckily the laces
were not the leather type so I just yanked my leg like hell and they
broke.  I was able to catch myself and the bike before falling over
too far.  Since then I wear a helmet and jeans almost ALWAYS.  I also
be very careful about the shoes.  Sometimes a good yank is all it
takes  :).  Thank God for cheap laces.

Scot

From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:49:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: No centerstand? (was: Re: Yamaha Seca II)
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

*If you're headlight burns out, and you're really deperate, you can take
*one of your front turn signal lenses off, remove the corresponding rear
*turn signal bulb, turn on the turn signal, and use that as a bodge to
*get you home.
*
*Take care,
*brad
*DoD # 714 ("How's that?")
----------

How's that?  Very creative and very desperate.

Frank Ball   2LR-D          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard             pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: erik@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van bronkhorst)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How does a dyno work?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:43:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: avalon.1992Apr16.154329.15679
Organization: Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, CA

In article <1992Apr14.223117.28744@umbc3.umbc.edu> bmatthew@umbc5.umbc.edu (Bud Matthews) writes:
>
>O.K., second try.  How does a rear wheel dyno get a HP estimate
>from that roller?  Is there some sort of resistance gradient that is
>being overcome by the rear wheel?  What, exactly, is getting measured?
>How is HP at a given RPM estimated?

	___My theory___, the bike's wheel spins a pump that is
trying to force water through a small orifice.  Measure the pressure
of the water and you have a direct proportion to the torque being
applied by the wheel.  Power = force * velocity, so just multiply
the pressure by rpm (given the right units).
	
>
>The dyno at Summit Point outputted info to a computer screen, suggesting
>some fast and fancy calculating was going on (but maybe not).  Makes me
>wonder how HP was measured in the old days, for a 1932 Ford, for example.
>Anybody know?

	Ok, first you get about 10 horses and some rope...

-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT erik@rftech.nwc.navy.mil
DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 "3.412 squid" "2.5 geezer"
From: mitcha@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mitch Abrams)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:57:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Need info on Suzuki GS400
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:

    I'm considering buying a '77 GS400 from a fellow in Atlanta.
    I'm interested in any thoughts about this bike. ie:

I don't know what the helmet is worth, but a bike that old fits
the rule-of-thumb   $1 per cc (ie. 400cc=$400 MAX)

Good Luck in shopping for your bike

Take your time, there are A LOT of bike out there to buy.

Mitch

'81 GS1100E, 79 BMW R-65, and 75 Honda 125S