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From: ohata@kisi.kao.co.jp (Koichi OHATA)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan] [Japanese+English]
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:58:28 GMT
	<KANEKO.92Jul30112507@axiom.icsi.Berkeley>
Organization: Kao Corporation, Tokyo JAPAN
In-reply-to: kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU's message of 30 Jul 92 02:25:07 GMT

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In article <KANEKO.92Jul30112507@axiom.icsi.Berkeley> kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko) writes:
>   $@$$$$$G$9$+!"8M:j$5$s$O#f#j$K$*$$$F3F4XO"#N#G$K$O$3$N%8%c%s%k$K(J
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                                          ohata@kisi.kao.co.jp
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:38:54 GMT

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From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:41:25 GMT

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In article <1992Jul24.054621.17461@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> 
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>$@$3$3$K?7$7$$%0%k!<%W(Jfj.life.in-japan$@$N(JCFA/CFD$@$r$5$;$FD:$-$^$9!#(J

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>     $@?M$N(J$@$?$a$N>l(J

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From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [Objection] [CFD/CFA] mvgrp fj.lang => fj.comp.lang
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:36:24 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

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In article <1992Jul23.130802.15745@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> , 
	suehiro@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (SUEHIRO Kenji) writes 
>$@!&(Jfj.lang $@$O$9$G$K7W;;5!8@8l$r07$&%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W72$H$7$F==J,G'CN$5$l$F(J
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Shinji Kono @           kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc,Japan
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:29:43 GMT

In article <TSS.92Jul27191653@kikori89.uf.a.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
tss@a.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:

>  $BF1$8$/!#309q?M$,@83h$9$k>e$G$NLdBj$J$i(B fj.living $B$G$bNI$+$C$?$O$:$J(B
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [English]
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:30:48 GMT

Hi,
I have translated Mr. Hamada's article.

nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA) writes:
> $B8=;~E@$G$O$^$@$O$C$-$j$HH?BP$9$k$o$1$G$O$"$j$^$;$s$,!"$I$&$b5$$K$J$k$N$G!#(J
> At this point, I'm not objecting to the group, but I'm suspicious...

>   fj.misc $B$N5-;v$r8+$k$H!"(Jfj $B$NB>$N%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$G$-$A$s$H5DO@$9$k(J
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> $BM}M3$G(J fj.misc $B$H$$$&ITE,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$KEj9F$5$l!"$=$N7k2L5DO@(J
> $B$H$$$&$h$j$OC1$J$k$*$7$c$Y$j$K$*$o$C$F$7$^$C$F$$$k5-;v$,Hs>o$KB?$$$h$&(J
> $B$K;W$$$^$9!#(J
>   From the current status of fj.misc, it seems that most topics have
> their own appropriate fj.XXX newsgropus, yet all the people are using
> fj.misc inappropriately only because the article is in English, and
> this result in only some chats instead of useful discussion.  In most
> cases.

>>     $BF|K\$G@83h$7$F$$$k309q?M!"$*$h$S$=$l$i$N?M$H8rN.$7$h$&$H;W$&(J
>>     $B?M$N$?$a$N>l(J
>>     Communication channel for foreigners living in Japan, between
>>     themselves and with those who are willing to contribute.

> $B$H$$$&7{>O$@$H!">l$,(J fj.misc $B$+$i?7$7$$%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$X$H0\$k$@$1$G!"(J
> $B>u67$KJQ2=$O@8$8$J$$$G$7$g$&!#(J
> Is the charter being proposed, so this situation will remain the same
> even if new group is successfully created.

>   $B2?8N(J fj.misc $B$KITE,@Z$JOCBj$rEj9F$7B3$1$k$N$+M}2r$K6l$7$_$^$9$,!"$=(J
> $B$&$$$&?M$?$A$,E,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$NMxMQ$r5qH]$7!"$=$l$G$b$J$*!V!X8r(J
> $BN.$N>l!Y$,$[$7$$!W$H<gD%$J$5$k$J$i$P!"I,MW$H$5$l$F$$$k$N$O%K%e!<%9%0%k!<(J
> $B%W$G$O$J$/$F%a!<%j%s%0%j%9%H$G$O$J$$$N$G$9$+!)(J
>   I can't imagine why they keep using inappropriate newsgroup fj.misc,
> but if such peopel still require the place for communication, yet
> refusing the use of appropriate groups, then I supporse what that they
> really need is not a new newsgroup, but a mailing-list.  Isn't it
> correct?

> $BIMED(J $BD><y(J
> Naoki hamada

>p.s. $B$o$?$7$N5-;v$OK]Lu$7$F$/$@$5$C$F$+$^$$$^$;$s!#(J
>p.s. Anybody can translate my articles.

   So I've transtated above.  Sorry for poor quality.
							Yasushi Kuno
From: kaneko@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: [CFACFD] correction of charter(1)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:17:40 GMT
Organization: international computer science institute
Distribution: fj
NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.icsi.berkeley.edu

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In article <9053@icsts1.osaka-u.ac.jp> saitoh@icsts1.osaka-u.ac.jp (SAITOH Akinori) writes:
  fj.guide.admin		Junet guide for administrators. (Moderated)
  fj.guide.general	Junet guide. Rules, Convention, etc. (Moderated)
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From: thiguchi@steinberger.japan.sun.com (T.Higuchi-NSun Software L10N mgr)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFD: fj.comp.announce
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:04:11 GMT
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In article <OKUYAMA.92Jul24154451@nasu.trl.ibm.co.jp>
 okuyama@trl.ibm.co.jp (Kenichi Okuyama) writes:
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From: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro)
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Reply-To: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
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In article <HIRONOBU.92Jul21221930@sran265.sra.co.jp>
	hironobu@sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki) writes:

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From: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan] [Japanese+English]
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:19:25 GMT

In article <7pn.bprvs@lab.ntt.jp> kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa) writes:
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan] [Japanese+English]
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:57:24 GMT
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...

   Note that 1)-3) below are summary of what I understood from
Mr. Hatano's argument.  My personal opinion is, "create new group
for gaikokujin as quick as possible" of course.  But why this
simple matter is so difficult in fj, I wonder...?

Kuno>   1) Use fj.misc as a "place for gaikokujin-posts" forever, or
Kuno>      for some time.

claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
> I don't think it would be a good solution. There will be very great
> opposition and this will not create incentives for a "foreigner"
> community inside JP. I propose to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that
> "foreigners" will be using fj.misc until they RECEIVE a more suitable
> newsgroup.

    Well, I feel likewise.  I'd like to know how other fj
readers, especially Japanese, think about that.

Kuno>   2) If each of topics there has other "appropriate" fj groups,
Kuno>      then also crosspost to that group.

> I don't understand why this condition has to be a MUST. I think this
> must be decided by who is posting the article... And even there are

     No, it's not a MUST.  But Mr. Kitagawa has suggested that such
habit might have good effect after all.  You're right, it's what each
poster decides.  So it's a suggestion.  But now that three days has
passed since I've intentionally cross-posted a few articles in English
to other fj group with no reaction at all, I am now wondering if this
works well.  But why not experiment for a while?  Oh, note that I
myself don't think such a "convention" could arreviate needs for new
"gaikokujin" group by itself.

> same topics in another newsgroups, for us foreigners, our viewpoint
> as a minority would be much more important than the topic "per si".
> This kind of crosspost is not very common in soc.culture.*, and I
> don't see any need to make a MUST for it. "Cultural Sensibility"
> for minorities would be a good policy in FJ, too. Is not NOW a
> good time to learn about it?? 

    Exactly!  Why not?  Other's opinion?

Kuno>   3) Finally, already existing fj groups might be sufficient to
Kuno>      ALL of the topics, so new group might not be needed after all.
Kuno>      Or it might not be so after all, then we proceed to
Kuno>      creating a new group.

> This solution would be to ignore any and completely any difference
> between japanese values and values from some minority group...
> (This doesn't sound familiar?? :-) )

     Hmm, you are saying it's a kind of "uniformizm" we Japanese
have... interesting, isn't it? :-)

						     Yasushi Kuno
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: RESULT: the 4th inquiry on gaikokujin group [English+Japanese]
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:59:15 GMT
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:
> Just a question... "a) and fj.life.foreigner" seems OK for me, since only
> 4 voters disagree with it. But it is possible to create a fj.live.*
> hierarchy easily ? If not, we will have to choose from "fj.soc.*",
> and it means another inquiry :(

    Oh, let's not be pessimistic for now.  But in case we loose,
I guess we can re-start from the last inquirely and re-try CFA 
in other name.

						   Yasushi Kuno
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From: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [Japanese]
Reply-To: nao@jaist-east.ac.jp
Organization: ME
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:02:12 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Jul27112319@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> 
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From: hironobu@sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:25:11 GMT
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In article <JIRO.92Jul22115644@amber.math.keio.ac.jp> jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) writes:
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From: alceste@moliere.ihitsy.ihi.co.jp (Shiino Masayoshi)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: remove fj.news.sa and fj.news.map
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:10:19 GMT
Organization: Shipbuilding & Offshore, IHI

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From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan]
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:41:57 GMT

In article <1362@cbsws1.cbs.canon.co.jp> hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp
(Manami Hatano) writes:

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