From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Re: Creed.
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:23:27 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX

In article <1992Sep26.131245.3402@memstvx1.memst.edu> isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
>My personal gripe with Psychiatry and Psychology is that they are both
>based on the false assumption that there is no 'spirit'.  If you read
>some of their textbooks, you'll see that they teach that man is really
>just one incredibly complex chemical reaction.  This just isn't true.
>If I just wanted to be agreed with, I'd study Psychology.  I'm more
>concerned with what is true.
>
>Just because you publish some statistics about something in some medical
>journal doesn't make it true.  For all of Psychiatry's Billions (Yes I
>mean Billions) of dollars in government appropriations and grants, they
>still have never been able to make a man sane and decent.  

>Psychiatrists
>have the highest percentage rate of suicide and drug/alcohol abuse of
>any other professional group.  Twice as high as the national average for
>profesional people.  But these are the people who loudly proclaim that
>the Narconon Program doesn't work.
>
I wasn't aware of this.  What is the percentage and where did you find the
information?

>Psychiatry has never cured anyone of anything.  

My, my.  I'm glad we don't make any generalizations.  I assume you have a
citation on this.  May we see it?

>Psychiatry treats mental illness by prescribing
>drugs which cost thousands of dollars a year.  These drugs don't cure 
>anything.  They just mask the symptoms and make a lot of money for drug
>companys who pay the psyches for pushing their drugs in the form of 
>"research grants" to develop new drugs.   
>
>Many of these drugs are dangerous.  I think everyone has already heard
>about the dangers of Prozac, but what you probably didn't hear is that
>Eli Lilly, Prozacs manufacturer plead guilty to several counts of 
>withholding evidence from the FDA.  

Actually, I did hear this.  Happened in Dallas if I'm not mistaken.  BTW,
have you heard about the benefits of Prozac?

>
>  For example: 
> Little Joey is a bright young third grader who is bored and frustrated with 
>what laughably passes for education in grade schools controlled by 
>Psychologists.  

Paranoia anyone?  I didn't know that my son's 4th grade was run by 
psychologists.

>He is noisey, disrupts class, and is generally to active
>for the teacher who likes the class room nice and quiet.  The teacher
>knows he should be quiet because she learned about it in school in a class
>called "The Psychology of Pre-Adolescent Human Learning".   

And instead the teacher was supposed to spend her time trying to keep Joey
quiet so the other students could learn, but since that was extremely time
consuming she was unable to spend any time teaching the other children.

>So what happens?
>The school Counselor (a psychologists) refers Joey to a psychiatrists who
>prescribes him a drug for his "hyper-activity". 
>

Now, Joey can control himself, does not disrupt the classroom environment, and
the rest of the class and Joey can learn to survive in today's society.  
Sounds like a win-win situation.

>   Another example:

	[another extremely interesting example deleted]

John, are you studying creative writting, or is this a case of a real person
thay you know?

>
>I'm sure that some of you are going to give the "cult of greed" argument,
>but before you do I would like you to get a Psychiatric Journal and
>look in the back where hospitals want to hire Psychiatrists.  Notice
>what the starting salaries are?  $175,000-$250,000!!!!  By comparison
>a Sea-Org auditor gets an allowance of $27 each week.  They work that
>cheaply because they know that they are right and they know Scientology
>works.  Would a Psychiatrist do his job for only $27 a week?  Hell No!!!

If the SO auditor only gets $27 a week, why does auditing cost anything
more than 67 CENTS an HOUR?

>
>The most expensive service in Scientology (the L Rundowns) cost somewhat
>less than $1000 per hour the last time a saw the price.  By comparison
>Electro-Convulsive Therapy cost $8000 per hour.  

Why charge $1000 hour when your labor cost is $.67 hour?  Also, an ECT session
does not take an hour at a time.  Including prep and recovery, a person can
be in and out in half and hour.  The session itself takes approximately 5 
minutes.  How many hours does the L Rundowns take?

>
>Ls produce a positive case gain.  I am talking about stupendous, mind-
>boggling, impossible to describe WINS!!!!
>
You know this from personal experience?  What is a WIN???

>ECT makes you lose parts of your memory and gives you brain damage.
>
>Ls (and the OT Levels) make a person stably exterior with full
>perception and immortal!!!

Where is Ron then???????????

>
>ECT can kill you.
>
>Ls have a guarantee.  You can have your money back if you aren't
>satisfied so long as you are never again trained or processed.

Does this mean it doesn't work????

>
>You can't get a psychiatrist anywhere to guarantee that ECT WON'T
>kill you outright, or cause memory loss or brain damage.
>
Probably because they are more realistic.

>After the Ls, you will easily have much, much MORE money and prosperity
>than you probably ever dreamed that you could have.

Sound's like a gold mine to me.  What's your income?  What's the average
income and net worth of Scientologists?

>
>After ECT you'll be stuck with a higher insurance premimum.
>
I'm unaware of this fact.  In the personal case I know of, insurance premiums
were not raised.

>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>Now I don't want to suggest that Donald and Gisle are advocating
>Psychiatry or Psychology, but all of the negative things that you
>read about Scientology originally come from Psychiatrists, Drug Pushers
>(legal and illegal), and News Media that depends heavily for its income
>on advertising revenue from Drug Companys and Psychs.
>
>Scientology is a good workable study.  The people that run the orgs
>are good decent people who are motivated by duty and personal 
>conviction not personal gain or money.

Then why do you advertise increased prosperity and much, much MORE money???

>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>John Holifield
>

Ah, John, I knew it was you before I even got to the end of the post.

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