HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: diwadkva@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Subject: Re: Indian team for 1st Test -- Discussion
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:36:00 GMT

In article <C1JFso.G0s@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU>, 
mohan@theta.mel.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mohan Krishnamoorthy) writes...

>In article <1k4j46INNdu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rajesh@ivy (Rajesh Raman) writes:
>>Mohan Krishnamoorthy (mohan@theta.mel.dms.CSIRO.AU) wrote:
> 
>>: Kambli is good enough to open.  In fact, I think he will make a good
>>: test opener.  
> 
>>	Why do you think that he would make a good opener ?
> 
>Because I think he has all it takes to make an attacking left hand
>opener!  He has the ability and the technique to face up to fast bowling.
>He has a good eye and strong reflexes.  He also hits straight and along
>the ground.  Moreover, his driving (in the V-region) and his off-side
>play is excellent.
> 
	- I would reserve comment on whether he has the technique to
	face up to the really fast stuff.  I watched his innings against
	Pak in the WCup (he was good without being spectacular) and
	while he had no problems against the likes of Wasim Haider 
	and Aaquib, he was hardly comfortable in the only over in which
	he had to face Akram.  BTW, I have heard that he handled Akram
	and Co., quite well at Sharjah where the pitches are slower but
	I haven't seen that footage.

>In many respects, Kambli and Lara are very similar -- in style, grace,
>application and temperament.  Lara will, IMO, make a good test opener.
>He already opens the Windies batting in ODI's with Simmons coming in at
>1 down.  He has done so quite successfully in the WSC.  I do believe Lara
>should be given that mantle in tests too (with Jimmy Adams coming in in
>the middle to bolster the `fragile' middle order), when Haynes quits the
>international scene.

	- Agreed about Kambli and Lara.  I have seen more of the latter
	but both are truly exciting talents.
> 
>Anyway, back to your question:  I think Kambli HAS opened for India in
>a few ODI's, with some degree of success (can anyone confirm this?).

	- As I said, he was quite competent in that role in Sharjah.  I 
	think he scored ~40 in the one innings in which he opened.
	I do think that he is good enough to handle the likes of 
	Lewis etc. in India but forcing him to open against higher 
	quality bowling might not be a great idea.  On a related note,
	I think Ashok Mankad's test career did go downhill after he was
	forced into the openers slot (did not affect his sense of humour
	though :-)) though I might be wrong on that.

	- In sum, I think Kambli is a really great looking player and
	I was just thrilled with his showing in Jaipur.  However, I 
	don't think he "deserves" the opener's slot simply because thats
	the easiest way to solve a multitude of selectorial problems.


					Cheerio!

							- Vaibhav.
> 
>> Rajesh Raman
> 
>/Mohan
From: ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Watching cricket in the US :-)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:36:45 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ckhan@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: chuck-sun.bbn.com

In article <727808480@thames.cs.duke.edu>, vs@duke.cs.duke.edu (Vijay Srinivasan) writes:
|> A couple of us went to a local sports bar last night to
|> watch the first day's play of the test match between Australia
|> and the West Indies.  On the table next to us were a group
|> of local college students, absolutely flummoxed by the game.
|> Here are some comments we overheard from them that I thought
|> were funny:

We have been attracting quite an audience unfamiliar with the
game as well.  There a Canadian in our group who has played in
only one cricket game in his entire life but is an avid fan of
the game, so we'd look at the match while he explains the finer
points to the uninitiated masses.  He's quite good at it too!

And as a reminder, you can see the game at the Crimson Sports 
Grill at the corner of J.F.Kennedy St. & Eliot St. in Harvard
Square, Cambridge.

|> 	Vijay

Chico.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hasmatallie A. Khan          |      |                  InterNet: ckhan@bbn.com
Bolt, Beranek and Newman     |___.  |___.  .___.     SneakerNet: 20/321
150 CambridgePark Drive      |   |  |   |  |   |       AT&T Net: 617-873-6119
Cambridge, MA 02140          |___!  |___!  |   |     CompuServe: 72770,1507
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    What do they know of cricket, who only cricket knows?  -  C.L.R. James
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The best ever Test  XIs
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:20:10 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan25.222219.6280@grace.cri.nz>, howard@grace.cri.nz (Howard Silby) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.190936.15582@nmsu.edu> sbasu@kirk (BASU) writes:
>>
>>I've decided to make a list of all time great XIs from Australia, England,  
>>India, New Zealand, Pakistan & the West Indies for Tests.
>>
>>NEW ZEALAND
>>-----------              certain batsmen:
>>John Wright
>>Glen Turner              *Stu Dempster*
>>Geoff Howarth            *Martin Donnely*
>>Martin Crowe             
>>Bev Congdon              This would mean too many openers, but some could
>>Mike Burgess (vc)        bat in the middle order. Congdon and Burgess would
>>John Reid (c)            be nowhere near the class of the above.
>>Sir Richard Hadlee                                            
>>Ian Smith (wk)           and bowlers:
>>Lance Cairns
>>Danny Morrison           *Jack Cowie* (unanimously
>                           regarded as NZ's 2nd best bowler)
> 
> Good try if your not a New Zealander but it looks like an `NZ 70s and 80s team'
> not an all time great XI. To which you might respond "But NZ hardly won any
> matches before then". This is true. But for a brief period decades before NZ
> had a strong team which most certainly would have beaten England in England had
> they not accorded them the absurdity of 3 day tests. (all tests were drawn
> not surprisingly).
> Donnely was regarded as the best left-hander in the world immediately
> post WWII, Dempster was world class. Both have 50+ test averages. Among
> Donnely's greater achievements was a test double-century at Lords.
> Bradman was one of many who have paid tribute to Cowie's bowling. 
> 
> Regards,
> Howard
> Applied Mathematics Div.
> Gracefield Reseach Centre
> 
Surely Bert Sutcliffe has to walk into the side.  And what about Richard
Collinge - doesn't Hadlee rate him above most of the bowlers cited above?

The inclusion of "Mr Gin and Tonic" Howarth is questionable, to say the least.
Morrison cannot possibly justify his selection.
Richard.
From: spt@engr.LaTech.edu (Shyam Prasad Talluri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Gavaskar Quiz
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:34:05 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.engr.latech.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Shyam Prasad Talluri (spt@engr.LaTech.edu) wrote:
: 	I want to write some comments which I recollect on Gavaskar's 
: 	batting. I'll be happy if anybody could identify the context of the 
: 	comment.

: 	(1) Cometh the hour, cometh the man, the same man Sunil Gavask
: 	a collosus amid the ruins.Which was this innings , I am talking
: 	about. (Hint: It's from sportstar)

        A) At Faisalabad Gavaskar carried the bat 127 n.out, thenthese were
           the comments in Sportstar by Asif Iqbal
                                           
: 	(2) Oh! beautifully played backward of square on the off-side 
: 	generous round of applause for Gavaskar, We saw Visvanath in the 
: 	first innings, captain gavaskar himself now, a beatiful innings in
: 	trying conditions.(Whose comments are these, and where?)

	These were the comments made by Bill Lawry at Melbourne during Gavaskar'
	innings of 70, that was when gavaskar reached 50.

: 	(3) Oh! Well bowled! that not only cut back as well as deceived the
: 	world's greatest run getter with the seam and movement, but it also
	hit the base of the stump. (which was this match & whose comments?)
: 	


	This was during the innings of 29 at Edgbaston when Gavaskar
	shouldered to Pringle and was bowled. The comments are by
	Richie Benaud.


: 	(4) That's it and it's out. Sunil gavaskar goes."It's a big bonus for
: 	England, The little man, the great man was looking very dangerous indeed 	for me , it's a surprise he's got out to a shot like that.
: 	Whose comments and which was the test?

 	These were during the same series as the earlier one Gavaskar played
	loosely to pringle out side the offstump and was caught behind f0r 35.
	these were the comments of tom graveny.

: 	These are just to keep the name of gavaskar moving and nothing to
: 	test other's interest in Gavaskar. It's a pity that people have 
: 	written comments comparing gavaskar to Vengsarkar and Amarnath.Such
: 	comments thoroughy  expose the lack of knowledge in the game and it's
: 	useless to comment back on any such type of comments.


:       ** Unnecesarrily the comparisons with Gavaskar have gone a long 
 	way, I apologise if I had been rude on certain things.


        Let's all be sportive.




: 	 
: 	With regards,


:         Shyam.P.Talluri


:
From: shankar-ganapathy@cs.yale.edu (Ganapathy Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Javed's attitute and a question.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:20:48 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: viper.zoo2.cs.yale.edu

In article <1993Jan21.192950.13908@cc.gatech.edu> pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.180619.3131@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan19.063117.6718@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, robert@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Robert Van Doorn) writes:
>|> |> In article <1993Jan18.181913.25824@cc.gatech.edu> pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli) writes:
>|> |> >
>|> |> >It's definitely not out. Something similar happened recently in RSA,
>|> |> >when Manjrekar hit a ball hard onto the short leg's helmet - the ball
>|> |> >then looped up and the fielder claimed a catch, which the umpire upheld.
>|> |> >Manjrekar protested and the umpire declared him not out. Something
>|> |> >like this had apparently also happened in B'bay before.
>|> |> >
>|> |> About 9 or 10 years ago here in Australia we had a situation in a test match 
>|> |> where the batsman bottom edged a cut shot onto the keepers boot (he was up 
>|> |> to the stumps for the spinner), the ball popped up and first slip took the 
>|> |> catch. The umpire judged this as out. How is this different from hitting the 
>|> |> ball into short leg's helmet and another fieldsman completing the catch???
>|> |> 
>|> |> Rob, AAITP. 
>|> 
>|> I think if the ball rebounds from the helmet and someone completes
>|> the catch, then the batsman is out. But if it got stuck in the Helmet
>|> then five runs will be awarded to the batsman.
>
>Well, I recounted the incident about Manjrekar above and I realize that
>I should have worded it differently. As a matter of fact, the shortleg
>himself was the one who caught the ball as it bounced off his helmet.
>Also, the commentator was pretty sure that it was a not out.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-Prince
>-- 
>pkohli@cc.gatech.edu      | "What's so unpleasant about getting drunk?" 
>Distributed Systems Group,| "Ask a glass of water."   Hitchhikers'....
>College of Computing, Georgia Tech.

This happened on the third day of the last test match between S africa
and India.Prabhakar and Manjrekar were going along merrily when spin 
in form of Omar Henry was introduced.In Henry's first over,Manjrekar swept
him hard and Andrew Hudson at shortleg somehow managed to latch on to
the ball after it bounced of his helmet.Manjrekar immediately signalled
to the umpire that it has come of fielder's helmet and so did umpire
David Shephard who was officiating at square leg.Umpire ruled not out.

--Pushkar
From: basavana@umbc.edu (Mr. Vishwanath Basavanahalli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: this is a test
Date: 24 Jan 1993 08:43:50 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

  ignore. this is a test

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: mikef@dph1.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Blind Boy Grunt)
Subject: Re: Changes needed for Perth test
Organization: Dept Public Health, Sydney University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:58:17 GMT

In article <rakesh.728025433@sungear> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
>What about Australian test side for Perth.
>
>Mark Taylor needs a break for same reason as Dean Jones, performance in test
>matches.  For last 16 innings he hasn't crossed 50.  Matthew Hayden can
>make debut at Perth.  I doubt selectors will take two spinners in
>Perth (or any spinners at all).  How about debut for one or two pace
>bowlers Julian or Angel or Reiffel (ofcourse he has played 1 test)?
>
>Any comments?

I agree with you, Taylor needs a rest and is currently a liability in the
opening role. Hayden is the obvious replacement. Martyn should also be
preferred to Steve Waugh who is quite unconvincing at the moment. Of
course fitness will be an issue here. If Boon is not fit the selectors will
be forced to stay with Taylor, and if Martyn is unfit then I'd say they
should recall Jones.

Certainly, either Julian or Angel should replace Dodemaide, I'd go for
Angel. In this scenario the team would be:

Boon, Hayden, Langer, M.Waugh, Martyn, Border, Healy, Hughes, May, Angel,
McDermott, Warne (possible 12th).

Anyway, I couldn't believe that Tim May was picked for the Adelaide test
and he was probably runner up to Ambrose for man of the match, so I'll
be surprised if I'm right!

What a great test match the 4th test was, again showing how close these
teams are. The WIndies will be favourites going into the 5th Test on a
ground where they have beaten (thrashed!) Australia in all of the 3
previous meetings, namely the WACA. 
-- 
__
Michael Fahey         | Internet: mikef@dph1.health.su.oz.au
Dept of Public Health | UUCP: uunet!munnari.oz.au!dph1.health.su!mikef
University of Sydney  | Bitnet: mikef%dph1.health.su.oz.au@cunyvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sbasu@spock (BASU)
Subject: Bodyline (was Re: WI Physical Assault? - Not!)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:25:57 GMT

> > Up to 1932, this was "not cricket", but legal.  Following its use by
> > England and WIndies in 1932-4, it was banned, somewhat ineffectually
> > as we have seen in the last 20 or so years.
> 
> 
> Don't include the Windies in bodyline.  It's your opinion that the WI    
> were practising bodyline.

The bowling tactics that Leary Constantine & Manny Martindale employed  
against Jardine, Hammond & Co. was definitely bodyline, even though it was  
justifiably directed @ the inventer - Jardine. That he hit 127 against  
such an attack was another story.

Scrooge

> 
> > -- 
> > Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
> > anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:50:25 GMT

Ummmm.. what is this selfish "Gavaskar and Shastri" bit...

Now, I have been away from India these past few years and
cannot comment on the perceived selfishness of Shastri..

But if Gavaskar was selfish, I wish the present day Indian team
had 4 more selfish bats lke him (why 4 -- so there is place
in the team for Tendulkar and Azhar..) --- give me "selfish"
Gavaskar any day over virtually any other batsmen in the last
10 years (I did say virtually, so if you feel someone else was
better, tats my loophole:-) -- definitely over any other bat India
has ever had..

Now, if we are talking ODIs thats different matter -- Gavaskar
chose not to prostitute his greatest asset -- his correctness of
technique -- for the ODI game -- therefore, he was somewhat less
of an ODI player than his talents would indicate... as one
who believes that Tests are the only (not just the main but the
only) Test of a batsman's ability, I am glad he made that decision..

Anyone remember Azhar's technique when he BURST on to the scene
versus England --- sheer poetry.  No question that he has learned a 
LOT of bad habits in the one day game...

Others like Srikkanth (in his prime) were born for one day cricket..

Bharat

-- 
R. Bharat Rao                         E-mail: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
AI Group, Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology
405 N. Mathews, Urbana, IL 61801   (217)-333-5978 (O), 337-6498(H)
Electrical & Computer Engineering, University of Illinois, Urbana
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: India win 2nd One day in Chandigarh
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:40:28 GMT
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

India have won the 2nd one-day in Chandigarh by 5 wickets.

The result seemed a formality (according to Radio 5 commentators) after
England's bowlers  were unable to get as much swing / help as the the
Indian bowlers did in the first few overs.  As a result, England were
reduced to 40 odd for 4 with Kapil, Prabhakar and Srinath doing the damage
early on.

There was a bitof recovery then with Smith and Hick digging in.  In the
end, the England total of 198 wasn't enough.  Notable scores in the England
innings were:

Smith - 30 odd (I didn't catch the exact score)
Hick - 56
Reeve - 33*
Lewis - 16*

India got off to a solid start with Prabhakar (36) and Sidhu (76) putting
on an opening stand of 70.  They then lost Kambli and Tendulkar very cheaply
but Sidhu, Azza (the main man got 36) and Amre (26*) ensured India got home
without any Hick(!) ups.  Azzza was out LBW with 4 runs required.  Among the
England bowlers I think DeFreitas (Daffy) was the pick of the lot.

Salisbury played as the spinner in todays game.  I dont know who played for
India except those mentioned above.

It seems that a few batsmen on each side are comin into form.  For India's
sake it would be good if Hick and Smith didn't get going (although I'm a 
great fan of Smith ... remember 1990).  Hopefully Gooch will also keep up 
the recent poor scores.

Similarly, for England's sake they will be hoping Azza (the man!!! - I'm
also a great fan of Azza . . . remember 1990 I can still see those cover
drives going to the boundary in a flash....more about that later if i get
the time) and Tendulkar don't get going (1990 among other years)....

Among the bowlers I think Jarvis is going to do quite well for England and
Tuffnel.  India will probably be hoping Kumble continues from where he left
off in SA.

Enough blabberring on for now . . . 

Waiting for the next 1-day.....

Cheers.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: bankerns@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nilay Suresh Banker)
Subject: Artherton for Aus ???
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: su
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:24:05 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Subject: Re: Was McDermott out? [Re: Windies win by 1 run]
Reply-To: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
	<C1JGpJ.Gv9@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:15:31 GMT

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:44:06 GMT, mohan@theta.mel.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mohan Krishnamoorthy) said:

Mohan> Aside: Can we not establish a mechanism on RSC for proper
Mohan> `sourcing' and attributing sweeping statements such as "by all
Mohan> reports" which has been claimed above?

But gross exaggerations generate the flames, and we wouldn't want to
lose those, would we?

Mohan> Needless to say, they quite conveniently forgot to mention the
Mohan> many times Langer and McDermott appeared to be plumb LBW
Mohan> earlier on in the game.

On both of the appeals I've seen (one for each player you mention)
they look like they should probably have been given out.

"Many times"?  How "many" times?  More than two?

Mohan> Indeed, after one of these appeals was turned down, Greg
Mohan> Chapell commented that, if such decisions could not be given,
Mohan> LBW's should be struck off, as a method of dismissal in
Mohan> cricket!  But, we digress...

He did indeed, after one of these two appeals.

Mohan> So, perhaps McDermott was out after all!

Probably.

Mohan> And the statement, "by all reports", was rather unnecessary.
Mohan> If anything, it takes credit away from the Windies for a great
Mohan> victory...

A great bowling performance, anyway.

--
Evan Harris                                      evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Dept. of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia
Not all of this was necessarily serious, you work out which bits.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: pshah@cup.hp.com (Pankaj Shah)
Subject: Re: Couple of World Cup 92 stats needed
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:35:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

:    1. Which batsman scored the maximum runs. (including finals/semis)
Martin Crowe
:    2. Which batsman had an average of 100+ in WC 92?
Crowe again.
:    3. Which bowler took maximum number of wickets in WC92 (including
:       finals/semis)
Don't really know, but I wouldn't be surprised to find Akram at the top.
Although, Botham did have a few successful spells as well . . .
:    4. Who was the most economical bowler (in terms of bowling averages)
:       during WC92.
No idea.

Pankaj Shah;   pshah@cup.hp.com;   (408)-447-4658.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sbasu@spock (BASU)
Subject: Re: The best ever Test XIs
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:16:52 GMT

In article <kre.727807870@mundamutti.cs.mu.OZ.AU> kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert  
Elz) writes:
> 
> | AUSTRALIA
> | ---------
> | Vic Trumper
> | Arthur Morris
> | Sir Don Bradman (c)
> | Greg Chappel
> | Allan Border
> | Neil Harvey (vc)
> | Rod Marsh (wk)
> | Dennis Lillee
> | Richie Benaud
> | Fred Spofforth
> | Jeff Thomson
> 
> You want O'Reilly instead of Benaud, and possibly Ponsford instead of
> Morris, otherwise it looks pretty good.  If Benaud were still there he'd
> probably be captain, without him I'd pick Border.   (Chappell has 2  
l's).
Would you perfer Benaud or Border to Sir Don as captain?

Scrooge
> 
> kre
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sbasu@spock (BASU)
Subject: Re: Dream Team of 80's
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:27:38 GMT


> 
> 	Marshall and Lillee switch teams (again i think Marshall in the  
80's 
> was better than the Lillee of the 80's)
> 
WHAT!?
Scrooge
> Ciao
> Bhaskar
> 
> >Regards   Peter.
> >
> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: 4/6 off first Test ball
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:49:08 GMT

In article <Jan.22.18.06.34.1993.20564@maya.rutgers.edu> govindra@maya.rutgers.edu (S Govindarajan) writes:
>Question. Has anybody hit a 6 of the 1st ball he ever played in test
>cricket (or in onedayers)? How many have hit a 4 of the first ball
>they ever faced in test cricket?

One player who hit his first Test ball for 4 was David Gower, against Pakistan
at Edgbaston in 1978. Don't remember the bowler - Sikandar Bakht? It was a 
short ball that he pulled to the square leg fence. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket