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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:05
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: cid@athena.mit.edu's message of Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:57:11 GMT

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:57:11 GMT, cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) said:
> Please try to fly the small bankrupt airlines.  It will help them to pull out
> of chapter 11.  There are a couple or reasons to do this, and they far
> outweigh any negative effects in my opinion.

> 1.  Flying them obviously makes them money so the revenue increases.
> 2.  Giving them more traffic makes them more attractive to investors so that
>     even if they cant catch up on revunes, someone with a lot of bucks can buy
>     controlling interest or the whole airline (influx of cash)
> 3.Show American Airlines that it cant bully people or it will lose customers.

I'm also in favor of competition.  However, given the economics of the
airline industry, it's not clear that the U.S. can support all of the
carriers that are presently trying to operate.  The total amount of
money that Americans and American business spend on travel is close to
a fixed amount.  That much money can only support a certain amount of
capacity, and the industry analysts say that there is presently too
much capacity.  

If that is true, it is inevitable that some carriers will go out of
business, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.  While I love $200
coast to coast fares, I know that an airline loses money when they 
sell me a seat at that price.

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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Air Canada <-> Canadian Airlines
Keywords: Canada
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:08:51 GMT

PWA Corporation, the holding company for Canadian Airlines, Canada's
second largest carrier announced this afternoon (Wednesday 9 Sep) that
it was accepting an offer of a merger - of sorts - with Air Canada,
the largest airline in the country.  Both companies will 'retain their
identities and head offices'.  What that means in practice remains to
be seen, but most expect lot of jobs to be lost.  Presumably some
schedule rationalization will take place.  This may occur mostly in
the feeder (regional) services where there is a fair bit of
duplication (Air Canada's BC Air and Canadian's Time Air both operate
5 flights a day between Calgary and Medicine Hat (pop. 50,000) - in
every case at virtually the same time).  Canadian had lost $108(CDN) million
in the first half of 92; Air Canada blew some $300 million in the same
time.  The 'semi-combined' airline is about the size of Lufthansa.
From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Will North West Airlines be around in January?
Keywords: North West, airline
Date: 5 Sep 92 06:31:46 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <la7udpINNcs7@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> siddhart@quasar.cs.utk.edu writes:
> seems like I might have to fly North West from Los Angeles to Singapore,
> come December/January. I'm afraid that they might go out of business by then.

Us Minnesota taxpayers just pumped $700-million of cash into Northwest
Airlines, so I hope they make it into the new year.

-john-

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Sep16.011703.9055@almserv.uucp>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:01:24 GMT

Doug> == Doug Griffiths <s5udtg@fnma.COM> 

[...]

 Doug> okay, that brings up an interesting question : Has an airplane
 Doug> from a bankrupt airline EVER crashed ????

Sure. Coupla months ago. TWA L-1011 in New York. I'm sure you heard
about it (it was all over the news). No fatalities but lots of injuries.

TWA's fleet has got to be one of the oldest in the country.

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From: v112pxk6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (WFFT 104.9FM- the DJMan=Eric)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Fares: Presque Isle, ME to Columbus GA
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:11:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,
  I'm interested in trying to find the lowest price around for a round trip
ticket from Presque Isle, ME to Columbus, GA for over Thanksgiving break.
I wonder if there is any place that I can buy tickets from who will give me
a better deal than from agents around this area.  If anybody could lead me
in the right direction, it would be very much appreciated.  Thanks.
							Eric
From: dhar@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sanjay Dhar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Floppy disks in checkin or carry-on baggage
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:16:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.dhar.52
Organization: Materials Science Institute

In article <1992Sep10.201228.8344@cs.yale.edu> owen-christopher@CS.YALE.EDU (Christopher Owen) writes:

>When I took my mac to Africa they refused to check my computer by any other
>means than x-ray in London.  Everyone of my floppies plus the internal hard
>drive and two external hard drives went through the machine with no ill
>effects.

>chris

Have taken floppies in carry-on baggage lots of times to & fro NY over the 
last 4 years with no problems ever.

sanjay

dhar@oregon.uoregon.edu
home:(503)-345-3556   off:(503)-346-4762
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Airlines Antitrust suit: Documentation
Organization: my opinions only
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:31:58 GMT

I originally posted this last July.


I just got the form about the lawsuit.  I'll try to translate the
legalese into English.

You have a choice of three forms to file: A, B, or C.

A says you've taken at least one eligible trip.

B says you've taken at least 5 round trips or 10 one-way or
equivalent.

C says you've flown a lot.

Everybody gets a $100 voucher.  If you filed form A, that's it.  If
you filed form B, you get credited for $2500 spent.  If you filed form
C, you get credited for the actual amount spent.  The maximum you can
get is 10% of the amount credited.  You can get coupons either (i)
good only on Northwest or (ii) good on all the other airlines (your
choice, to the extent available).

Purchases must have been made 1/1/88 though 6/30/92.  The airlines
involved are American, Continental, Delta, Midway, Northwest, Pan Am,
TWA, United, and US Air.  Airports are Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston,
Charlotte, Chicago (O'Hare and Midway), Cincinnati, Cleveland, DFW,
Dayton, Denver, Detroit, Houston (IAH), Indianapolis, Kansas City, Los
Angeles, Memphis, Miami, Mpls/StPl, Nashville, Neward, New York (JFK
and LGA), Orlando, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Raleigh/Durham, St.
Louis, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, San Jose, Syracuse, and
Washington (National and Dulles).

If more than 2,689,840 people want in, they get less than $100 from
the Base Fund.  If fewer, the excess money goes to the Supplemental
Fund.  The Supplemental Fund will be distributed proportional to
amount spent, up to 10% of total spent.  If it's not all taken, the
excess goes to the base fund.

Certificates can only be used as part payment.

Multi-Airline Certificates	Northwest Certificates
Cert.	Min. Ticket		Cert.	Ticket
Amt	Price			Amt	Price
10	50			25	100-200
25	250			50	201-300
50	500			75	301-400
75	750			100	401-500
100	1000			125	501-750
125	1250			150	751-1000
150	1500			2000	1000+

(Yes, it looks like you can't use a $25 NW certificate on a $500
ticket.)

You get $100 in certificates that start immediately, and the rest half
start immediately, half in one year.  Certificates live for two years,
and the tickets you buy with them for one year after purchase.
Certificate denominations will not be over $25.

You get ff miles, but certificates can't be used with other special
deals.  Only you and family members can use them.  Certificates can't
be used with travel agents.  There are black-out dates.  You can only
use these certificates to buy tickets within the 48 states (you know
which ones I mean) unless you live in Hawaii or Alaska, in which case
you can also buy tickets to/from your home state.  You can only buy
round-trip tickets.

[The airlines aren't losing anything by this.  The price of the
certificate is almost covered by the travel agent commission that
they're not paying.]

Only the lawyers, and those plaintiffs who actually testified, will
get cash.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:38:35 GMT

marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) wrote: 
->If you want your meal first and/or want to spend time talking to the
->stews, sit at the back of the plane. Stews hang out there increasing
->your chance to chat with them. Also...those who can't stand their seats
->hang out at the back.

they hang out near the galleys ... which are sometimes in the middle
of the coach cabin.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson)
Subject: Complaints
Originator: ss@tamarack16
Keywords: Complaints
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:17:16 CDT



My husband and I just had *ANOTHER* negative flight on
NorthWORST Airlines.  From past experience I know that sending
complaints to the airline is a waste of time --- they've yet
to reply to any.

I'd like this complaint to have "teeth".  Does anyone know which
Federal Agency is now receiving airline complaints?  It used to
be the CAB, but they're gone (thank goodness).  Is it the FAA?

A name (and address) would be appreciated.  Many ThanX!

"Some People Know How To Fly" --- too bad none of them work for NWA!


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Cray Research, Inc. - ss@tamarack.cray.com
655F Lone Oak Drive
Eagan, MN     55121     -     612/683-5815


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From: jnicolas@image.mit.edu (Julien Nicolas)
Subject: Airlines Antitrust suit: Address to send claims?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:43:49 GMT




I am looking for the address to send the claims for the antitrust suit.
Could someone post it to the net or send me email? 

Many thanks.

Julien Nicolas
jnicolas@image.mit.edu

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with 727s at LGA?????
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:09:20 GMT

gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:

>   LaGuardia runways are long enough (BARELY) for L-1011's and DC-10s, as well

An L-1011 just burned up at LaGuardia, didn't it?

BK
rkimm@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com
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From: fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Subject: Re: Is there a way to get airline ticket prices on-line?
Organization: CSC, NASA Ames Research Center, NAS Division
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:01:35 GMT
Reply-To: fineberg@nas.nasa.gov

Eaasy sabre on prodigy allows you to look up prices and make reservations
just like a real travel agent.  It is free with Prodigy (which costs $15/mo).

Sam
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: philip@simserver1com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Flying a dog from Japan to USA.  Comments?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 22:40:18 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: Dog, flying, how-to
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Aug31.081112.7975@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|> sienko@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Tanya Sienko) wrote: 
|> ->I find that I may have to transport a medium sized puppy (about six months 
|> ->old) from Japan to the USA.  Does anyone have any suggestions or comments
|> ->on the best way to go about this to minimize the trauma to the pup?  Thanks.
|> 
|> first: call the us customs office at the airport where you plan on
|> importing your pet and find out what the rules are ... it probably
|> won't be as easy as you think (us customs has never been known to be
|> cooperative).
|> 
|> then: call the airline you plan on flying on with your pet ... they
|> will also have some things to say (like whether or not they'll
|> consider flying a pet that young and what you should do).  call your
|> travel agent, too; travel agents probably have some experience for
|> people who travel with their pets.
|> 
|> also: call your veterinarian and get some advice.
|> 
|> finally: be aware that flying your pet is an event which is very
|> uncomfortable for your pet ... and that there have been recent events
|> where pets have not done very well aboard aircraft.
|> 
|> good luck ... you'll need it.

We just did this, it wans't quite as difficult as Henry suggests,
but his suggestion to verify what documents will be needed is
quite valid (the US consulate in Japan should be able to tell you).

We moved one dog, and four cats from France to Portland OR.
What we needed was:

	- Rabies vacination up-to-date.
	- A "certificate of good health", issued by a qualified
	  vetinary surgeon (they will have the appropriate form).
	  This should be done less than one week before date of entry.

If you are not bringing the dog along as checked baggage, be aware that
in some ways animals are treated just like cargo - i.e. ours were
bumped to make room for more "urgent" cargo, and ended-up taking a
(very) different route from that forseen, and arriving a day or so
later.

This makes it impossible to give tranquilisers.

if it is travelling a checked baggage, you can give a tranquiliser
just before going to the airport (your vet can supply something).

Make *CERTAIN* that you inform, and the airline acknowlege, *in
advance* that you will be arriving with an animal to check - I have
seem people at airports with animals confirmed by travel agents,
but the airline knows nothing about it, and doesn't have space left
in the heated section of the baggage compartment.

Actually, just treat it as if it were a person you were
sending off - get the right entry papers, and double check
the airline reservation, and you should have no trouble.

Oure all arrived in good health, even thoug they looked a
little reproachfully at us !

Philip
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Ouija boards
Keywords: antique
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:03:31 GMT
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: Ouija Boards
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

My grandma has an antique Ouija Board.  The name on 
it is William Fuld of Baltimore Maryland.  My grandma's
mother obtained the board around 1915.  She said that
it has worked for her many many times.  I know that she
used during world war II to see if my grandpa was going
to end up going to war or not (He was in flight training).
The board told her no and two weeks before my grandpa
was supposed to fly overseas, the war ended.  My grandma
also used it when she was pregnant to see if she was going
to have a boy or a girl and when the baby would be born.
I don't remember if the board told her the correct date
but I know that it told her that she was going to have
a girl (my mom).

That's about it.

**Krista**

BTW, this is my first post.  I have been lurking for
about three weeks now and I have enjoyed all of the
"stories" very much.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:57:11 GMT

In lieu of all the airline ltigation suites and bankrupcy court filings,
I just wanted to put in my two cents, and a plea to everyone out there
who flys more than once or twice a year.

Please try to fly the small bankrupt airlines.  It will help them to pull out
of chapter 11.  There are a couple or reasons to do this, and they far
outweigh any negative effects in my opinion.

1.  Flying them obviously makes them money so the revenue increases.
2.  Giving them more traffic makes them more attractive to investors so that
    even if they cant catch up on revunes, someone with a lot of bucks can buy
    controlling interest or the whole airline (influx of cash)
3.  Show American Airlines that it cant bully people or it will lose customers.


In case you havent noticed, American Airlines is involved in some e cut throat
practices in air fare wars.  They are taking heavy losses because they
can sustain them longer than the others.  This means that in a few years we
may be down to a few airlines...American, United, Delta and perhaps USAir.
That doesnt sound good to me.  If we have price fixing when there is 10-12(?)
domestic cariers, think how it will be if there is only 4!

I know that the smaller bankrupt airlines may not serve great food right now, and
you may have to make a connecting flight.  But if you can manage to do without
a nonstop flight and an extra ham sandwich, you may help preserve compition
in the airline industry.  I look at it this way...
One less ham sandwich, and one connecting flight = $$$ in a couple of years.
If you think fares are rising now, wait till %60 of the airlines dissapper.
Now I know that sometimes you may have no choice in the matter and that is fine.
But if you dont need to be there right away, take an hour stopover if
the small airline provides service to your destination, pack a sandwich your
self, claim litigation on American, United, Delta who can afford it.
If you can do without $15-$40 from Contintal, America West or whoever,
dont claim it.  Yeah its your money you deserve, the court said so, and
you think your $35 wont mean much, but when you have 100,000 people claiming
$35, it means a lot to them.  

Hopefully, if you can make these sacrifices, we will have a nice competitive
airline industry, where travel is cheap and service is good.  I dont evcen
want to think of it without competition  :)

BTW, I fly continental and america west as often as possible, even though it
means few real meals, and 5-6 hours to chicago from boston where american and
united fly 2 hours nonstop. (even when I cant use vouchers I fly them)

If you have to fly a major strong hold, try to do it through United or
Delta.  Show American they cant be bullies.  United and Delta are very respect-
able airlines in my opinion, making money (well not quite) but being quite about it,
and not trying to kill off everyone else.


So please, think before you fly.  For everyone's sake
Thanks.


Derek
From: evan@irss.uucp (Evan H. Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest Airlines
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:56:06 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <92244.082350IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Naushad Hussain) writes:
>I just returned from Bangkok on Northwest Airlines.  I was extremely impressed
>with their service.  I noticed that they have refurbised the interior of their
>747's and improved the meals.  For the last one year, I have been using
>Northwest for all my long distance travels( 2 RT to Bangkok from Boston) andd
>I am sure that I will continue to use the Airline in the future.
>
>     Their ground staff at Bangkok Airport was the most efficient that I have
>ever seen.  I was surprised to receive such great service from an U.S. Airline.
>
>Regards,
>Naushad Hussain

Likewise for United Airlines (EWR-NRT-SIN-NRT-EWR).

-evan
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.195914.18883@news.media.mit.edu> trevor@media.mit.edu (Trevor Darrell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.073341.24176@ultra.com> marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:
>>I have flown Continental 8 or so times in the last 8 or so months so
>>it wasn't once or twice...it was 8 plus times I was treated like an
>>ant, had mechanical problems, flew on empty planes, etc, etc. I know

>wow, you must be really unlucky. I've flown continental more than a
>dozen times over the past 3 years through both their newark and denver

Well...maybe so ... me and my two buddies (I told one that I only
fly contential as a last resort...he said for him it isn't a choice.
If the only flight left is continental, then he spends the night. Tha's
a pretty strong statement).

Anyway...I don't like to tempt fate.

Marke
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From: robert@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Robert Morelos-Zaragoza)
Subject: What is a "consolidator" ?
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa, College of Engineering
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:00:39 GMT

Hello, could somebody explain the term "consolidator"? Is this a travel
agent that sells consolidated tickets? I know the price is much cheaper
but how does it work..

Thanks,

Robert
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 21:03:14 EDT
From: T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject:    Delta Business Express

Ihave flown BEX from BUF to BOS. I found the service very good. I flew on a
 BAe 146-???(300?). It was noce to take a jet from BUF nonstop to BOS.

Peace,
T. Peter Leone