HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer)
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:07:30 GMT

In article <BvwxJw.4w4@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>What business does a ranger have enforcing such a law in this case?
>Is there established precedent for this, or is this the private
>property of the state in some odd way?


The "ranger" is probably hired by the Park Reserve Association (or whatever
it's called) to enforce their rules.  Also I think they frown on the nudity
in large part due to the fact that there is a "problem" there with many 
gay men engaging in sexual activities in the dunes.  


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From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Name
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:56:30 GMT

In article <1avdc8INNltm@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>In article <> marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert) writes:
>>I, personally, would not want or use an anon poster in this newsgroup.  But,
>>I would not stop others from doing so.  There also seem to be enough people
>>that are willing to relay questions that it does not seem like it is needed.
>
>Furthermore, the clothing optional mailing list works well for this type
>of thing.  You can have your name and return address eliminated from any
>article posted.  And if you want a submission forwarded to rec.nude it is
>easy to find someone to do it for you.
Sorry, Tom.  That just isn't true.  I, for one, could not find anyone
to post an article for me.  No, I haven't looked or asked.  It is that
I don't know of anyone that is in any better position than I am to
make some of their opinions and views a matter of public knowledge.
Hence, I wouldn't impose on our friendship by asking them to do so. 
So, I just don't contribute those views and opinions in those groups 
where I can't do so anonymously.  That does not prevent me from 
discussing some things via e-mail though.  Once I feel comfortable
with the motives and purposes of the other person.

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From: loren@heyeokah.pixar.com (Loren Carpenter)
Subject: Lake Lusty??
Organization: Pixar - Pt. Richmond, CA USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:27:20 GMT

	A while back, someone posted a note about a "Lake Lusty" in
the vicinity of the Stanford Golf Course.  I checked a few maps and
no such lake was mentioned.  Also, no unnamed lake seemed to fit the
description.  Where is it?

	Loren Carpenter
	loren@pixar.com
From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:28:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <1992Oct13.052313.7021@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jpurbric@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Purbrick) writes:
|bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
|>>What business does a ranger have enforcing such a law in this case?
|>>Is there established precedent for this, or is this the private
|>>property of the state in some odd way?
|
|dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer) writes:
|>The "ranger" is probably hired by the Park Reserve Association (or whatever
|>it's called) to enforce their rules.  Also I think they frown on the nudity
|>in large part due to the fact that there is a "problem" there with many 
|>gay men engaging in sexual activities in the dunes.  
|
|Crane's Beach is owned by a nonprofit group called the "Massachusetts Trustees
|of Reservations". I'd assume that a "ranger" there would be an employee or 
|contractor of the organization.
|
|The straight world tends to go crazy over gay sex in semi-public places, but 
|I never heard of straights going to a habitual place to indulge in quickies
|(OK, the Bois de Boulogne). If this guy was there for sex rather than nudism,
|he's lost my sympathy. If he was there for nudism rather than sex, he's not
|likely to think too highly of gays from now on.
|
|John Purbrick

As the original poster that started this thread I figured I should bring
the thread back in at this point.  It's starting to go afield.

No, my friend is not gay [not that it really matters].
No, he was not there for sex, be it gay/straight/solo.

He was there getting a sun tan and enjoying the fine weather.

Some folks have asked what a "ranger" was doing there.  The choice of words
is mine and not my friends.  I haven't discussed the details with him to
determine what exactly the person who gave him this "ticket" was.  My friend
is currenly exploring all options and I offered to post to rec.nude to see
what other info I could get for him.  So far, I've forwarded on lots of
email [Thanks all!] as well as postings in rec.nude that were relavent.

When I know the outcome of his complaint hearing I'll post what I find out.

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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Name
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:21:44 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert) writes:
>I, personally, would not want or use an anon poster in this newsgroup.  But,
>I would not stop others from doing so.  There also seem to be enough people
>that are willing to relay questions that it does not seem like it is needed.

Furthermore, the clothing optional mailing list works well for this type
of thing.  You can have your name and return address eliminated from any
article posted.  And if you want a submission forwarded to rec.nude it is
easy to find someone to do it for you.

-- 
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Thomas Earl Middleton		|
aka Happy Bare			| "Murph, it's Dan Quayle, forget about it."  
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| 			Frank Fontana
From: jla@priam.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph Arceneaux)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions? (something worse than photographers
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:20:19 GMT
Organization: The GNU Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: priam.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1atbuqINNh7k@network.ucsd.edu>, middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

|> On a nude beach I feel (indirectly) threatened, I would have to agree with
|> Tony that there is a damaging effect to me if I take no action towards stopping
|> the activity in question.  I feel an association with nude beaches that makes
|> me want to be involved and I do believe society will blame the entire beach
|> for the actions of one person.  The problem here is that the masturbator thinks
|> he will get away with an activity, which he knows would not be accepted in any
|> other public place, simply because he is on a nude beach.  That is a problem
|> for me because I believe the only difference between a nude beach and any other
|> beach is that there is no dress code, you can wear or not wear whatever you
|> want.  I do not believe that any other rules, besides the dress code, are
|> changed when you change an area to become clothing optional.
|> 
|> Comments?  Am I being hypocritical?  Is it wrong for me to feel damaged
|> by activities which I think are likely to lead to the closure of a nude
|> beach?  Am I wrong to think that public masturbation on a nude beach will
|> be used by opponents of nudity to close the beach?

This attitude smacks of political self-righteousness to me.

While the explicit difference between CO and textile beaches may be lack of a dress code, I
think the more fundamental difference is that CO beaches offer a more relaxed social
attitude.  In a word, they are more tolerant.

Just as some folks are offended by sexual acts in public, many are deeply offended by public
nudity.  So I think that rigid definitions of what is allowed are contrary to the spirit of
CO.

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: NCN Info Line
Summary: It's up but it needs your input
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:58:57 GMT


I have finally gotten the NCN Info Line back on the air.

It has very little program material on it, so don't call
it Long Distance unless it's a free call.

I really would like to get some good stuff on the comment
line and maybe some seeder questions for the Questions & Answers
section.

This is basically a Gamma test, since the software does what
it is supposed to do and I need a shove to find anything else
requiring attention.

Lemme know.

NCN Info Line = 703.241.BARE (Washington metro calling area)
		Touch-Tone signalling (unless somebody has
		a voice recognition ancillary unit for Dialogic)


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bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

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From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: nude art in the news
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:12:10 GMT

I thought you rec.nudies might be interested in this... sorry I do not
have more details for you.

Saw two snipits on the news recently related to nudity in art.
1)  There was apparently some art show somewhere (don't remember where)
where they were displaying nude paintings by various artits.  The on
stipulation to the showing was that the artist had to accomany the
painting at the gallery and the artist had to be nude him/herself while
at the showing.  The idea was for various people viewing the art to get
a better understanding for the fact that they are not just looking at a
piece of canvas wiht ink on it but at human body in all it's nude glory.
I think the guests viewing the art had to remain clothed, supposedly to
add to the artistic effect of the artists being there in the buff.

2)  The news showed just last night some modeling art art agency that
does this somewhat unusual form of modeling.  If you are throwing a
party or some such thing you can hire these models who paint there
entire body with makeup so as to look like a marble statue of a nude
figure an then pose nude at your party.  You put them up on pedastals
and stages and the like just like you would a statue and they stand
there completely still only switching positions when necessary for there
comfort.  They immitate many famous nude and partially nude statues such
a Venus or David.  Incidentally, fig leafs are optional, you may choose
wheather you want them wearing a fig leaf or not when you hire them.
They take no responsibility should the fig leaf fall off though.

Weather you are nudist or not I thought these sounded like interesting
ideas for the art world and I thought all of you might find particular
interest in it.

Jim
From: Pat O'Brien <naturist@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:28 PDT
Subject: Texas Reports and Developments
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1457200031:000:869
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Oct 15 09:28:00 1992


A number of notes have been sent to The Naturist Society about
developments in Texas. Here are a couple of things of interest.

Hippie Hollow seems to have stabilized a bit and newcomers
visiting there are reporting good times, except for annoying
gawkers who can be quite rude and persistent. In the absence of an
organized group of regular users, voyeurs are often out of control
on public nude beaches. Is this the reason this problem persists
in Austin? We'd like to know. Haven't heard much about the
complaints of thievery from beach stuff there recently, so maybe
that has abated.

We're happy to announce formation of the Bolivar Beach Society, a
new group in Houston. Founded by William Hoover, Jr., this new
Naturist club has a lot of potential and deserves support. BBS can
be contacted at 811 Lovett Blvd. #6, Houston, 77238, or call
713-521-9494.

Pat/TNS
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?  (something worse than photographers
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:14:38 GMT
Organization: Intstitute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes:
-young man masturbaiting in plain view right there on the beach... 
-
-Does anyone else have any similar stories... what can be done to take care of
-these people?

Perhaps take a camera and photograph these people?
Maybe be a video vigilante?

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aka Happy Bare			| "Murph, it's Dan Quayle, forget about it."  
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu	| 			Frank Fontana
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: clothing sexy
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:58:50 GMT

In article <ld92b8INNs29@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>	In summary, most nudists would end up agreeing that clothing is
>sexier than nude and most non-nudists would probably agree that nude
>is sexier (assuming the given body allows it :-)) than clothed.  

I think that is kind of simplistic.  I don't think anyone is going to find
a trench coat sexy at a nudist club just because it's "unusual".  Also, if
non-nudists find nudity so much sexier than clothing, then why does
lingerie (sp?) sell so well?  Why are there so many pictures of clothed
women in Playboy?

I think -wat- was more on the money with a previous statement in the same
post: 
>	I would say it depends on the girlfriend and how she carries herself
>and her attitude, etc.
	
I think that's a healthy view of sexiness (one that I agree with), but...
Sexiness (like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder.  And the viewers
assumptions are significant.  When a woman (or a man) wears less than is
considered normal in public situation, most people see that as sexy all
by itself---nudist don't.  When a woman/man dresses (or undresses) in a
provocative way, most people see that as sexy, too---nudists included.
When a woman (or man), clothed or not, *behaves* in a sexy way, that is
erotic whether the viewer is a nudist or not.

Obviously, I can only speak for myself, but to me there is nothing
NON-sexy about nudity.  It's just that since becoming a nudist, there is
no longer anything *inherently* sexy about nudity.
			     
The reason nudists find clothes sexier than nudity is, IMHO, because
even to a nudist sexy clothes still *symbolize* sexuality, whereas nudity
does not.  If the person you're looking at is clothed (or unclothed) in
a "normal" way (i.e., a way you are used to seeing in a non-sexual way)
then you have to look for other clues (which may be more subtle) in
order to decide if it's a sexy situation.  But if she (or he) is dressed
in a way you think is sexy, then your response is more immediate.
					       
Bill.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: wwheeler@news.cecer.army.mil (Wes Wheeler)
Subject: trip report (quick one)
Summary: fun time with friends playing vb in Florida!
Keywords: Paradise Lakes
Reply-To: wwheeler@max.cecer.army.mil
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:47:57 GMT

As a public service to the readers of rec.nude, currently suffering from a
high noise-to-signal ratio, here's a quick trip report:

My wife and I spent a week at Paradise Lakes, FL.  This was our second trip,
having gone there in June for a weekend to "try-out" recreational nudity.

We had a wonderful time.  We are both pretty good volleyball players and
reasonably out-going people.  We had met a number of new friends during our
first trip and spent a good bit of our time with them (and meeting others).

Paradise is a resort with full condo accomodations and a number of planned
activities.  They have a professional staff that go out of their way to
make sure that every guest is happy and that all details are taken care of.
(Not that I'm biased or anything, now counting most of the staff as personal
friends).

High points were playing volleyball in daily tournaments, tanning in the sun,
soaking in the hot tub, having friends over for dinner, visiting friends at
their home (to watch FSU lose to Miami again), a birthday party; judging in a 
lingerie contest, paddling on the lake, taking long walks, and catching up on 
our reading.

Low points were the tropical storm in the Gulf, which rained on us though the
last three days, and the muscle-bound asshole who kept hitting on my wife
whenever I wasn't around (going so far as to suggest that they run off to
Denver together).  Oh well, at least I can't fault him for his taste in
women  :-}  (and his truly tacky come-on lines were comical).

There are a number of questions we had from the trip and I hope to follow up 
with those in subsequent postings.  The most important question for us now
is that we don't have much vacation time next year and we will probably have
to choose between Paradise or trying something new (such as Cypress Cove or
Sunsport or Como).  Decisions, decisions...

As a closing note, I'd like to recommend Paradise as a great place for those
people who are trying public nudity for the first time.  It is clothing
_optional_ (we did see several bathing suits, usually bikini bottoms) and 
there is a constant schedule of planned activities that help ease you
into the scene.  If Mark takes you on the orientation tour, tell him Wes and
Julie sent you!. 
-- 
"And when the band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on 
the Dark Side of the Moon."

		- Mr. Floyd
From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beachfront U.S.A. Loses Los Angeles Lawsuit
Summary: Free Beach News subscription info
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:49:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1biimnINNpe2
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

I was asked to re-post subscription info for the "Free Beach News":

"Subscription included with membership in Beachfront USA.  Send $15
(single) or $20 (family) to POB 328, Moreno Valley, CA 92556.  Make
checks payable to 'Beachfront USA.'"  The FBN appears monthly except
December, and BFUSA meetings are also monthly at the Olive Dell Nudist
Ranch, Colton CA.  The next meeting is 10/31/92 at 1pm.

--
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A loose affiliation of millionaires and    |  (brahm@cco.caltech.edu)
  billionaires and Baby ...                |---- Carpe Post Meridiem! --
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: CO dorm life (was titled "menu" for reasons I don't understand : -)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.113445.496@ab.wvnet.edu> miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>
> WEll I've received alot of responses about what I should do to avoid
>people walking in on me while I'm nude in my room but I guess I failed
>to explain my situation thoroughly . Many people told me to lock my door.
>Well you see I live in a dorm that is divided up into suites, our front 
>door locks but inside are 4 bedrooms with doors that don't always lock.

In the two student residences I lived in as a student, everyone left their
doors open if they wanted (didn't mind) company.  If the door was closed
people would usually knock rather than intrude.  Perhaps adopting this
philosophy (and explaining it in a note on your door) would help.

Of course, if you just want to stop the intrusion you could always stick
a wooden wedge under your door from the inside.  That should stop the
door from opening.

Cheers. Bill.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: kaine@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Brian Kaine)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: another model
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:38:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:


>>After I took my pose though, I realized that these people wouldn't look me
>>in the eye.

>A friend of mine took a art class a couple of years ago.  During one of
>the sessions where they were drawning men, she found that ever time she
>looked up at the model, he would stare at her.  She noticed that he stared
>at anyone who looked up.  This was so distracting to her that she didn't
>finish her sketch.

>She mentioned that most models look off into the distance and don't make
>eye contact with the artists.  Perhaps that's what happened to these people
>as well.


Gee, this is something I never had to deal with.  I normally wear glasses,
but I take them off as well when I model.  So I couldn't really make eye
contact anyway!  I agree though, it's probably distracting to members of
the opposite sex.  :)
                                    Brian
--
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Brian P. Kaine
Department of Microbiology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
E-mail address: kaine@phylo.life.uiuc.edu
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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions? (something worse than photographers
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:30:05 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <8102@public.BTR.COM> midkiff@public.BTR.COM (Neil E. Midkiff  midkiff@btr.com) writes:
>I've got divided sympathies on this one, as further reading will reveal,
>so I guess I can propose an answer to -wat-'s question without being 
>accused of too much bias.  I think our self-policing policy should be
>based on discouraging *illegal* activities.
---
	That is one some level an 'ok' line -- *but*, realize that in 
some states, homosexuality is still illegal.  I guess in those states
we police against same-sex couples showing any signs of a relationship
together on a nude beach.

-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: Francene.Florio@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Subject: RE: DORM NUDITY
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:29:04 GMT

Hey, Sonds like a good college lifestyle...maybe I'll go back to
college...Naturally.
Where's this school? I'd like to concider it. Maybe for my future study hall  
hangout.
francene


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