From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Condoms in Public Schools
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:16:11 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <1992Dec13.180751.13646@nwnexus.WA.COM> edm@halcyon.com (Ed Morin) writes:
:dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
:>AIDS Related Dementia hinders mental processes.
:>Syphillis maddness hinders mental processes.
:
:Yes, but starvation comes as a result of _inaction_ of eating correctly.  The
:things you mention come as a result of _action_ taken unnecessarily.  I see
:this as a big key difference.

The problem is that you argue that sex is unnecessary.  I argue that is is
no less a part of our being than eating.

:>So a basic part of being human is to be denied to some because they
:>cannot afford it?
:
:This isn't an issue of money, it's an issue of stepping up to the
:responsibilities involved with the action and behavior.

But I thought it was money.  You didn't want your tax dollars being
spent in the schools to give away something you felt someone should buy.

I am talking about responsibilities.

:Since _I_ believe that such activity is wrong, _I_ am not willing
:to fund it.  

But, you see, this is the crux of yoru whole argument.  You feel that
sex between minors is wrong so it should not be funded.  I'm sorry
but it goes right back to the question about supporting automobile
classes if driving were deemed wrong by your beliefs.

:I would feel the same about funding parachute availability
:for all kids in the event they decided to jump out of airplanes.  The
:kids that want to jump should buy (or rent? :-) their own.

If jumping out of airplanes were a basic part of being a human,
of growing up as a human being, being I would disagree with you.

:>higher that I feel it has to have.  I know we differ on issues
:>pertaining to sexuality, but I believe sex is just like every other
:>part of our lives.  Just like eating, breathing, walking and playing.
:
:Yes, but those things "cost" too.  The consequences may or may not be
:as bad, but if you walk in front of a car hopefully you were responsible
:enough to look first and/or buy insurance.

We teach children not to walk in front of cars, install traffic lights
and crosswalks.

So why not .....

I don't think it is too much of a leap.

:>I'm talking about providing equal education and access to 
:>resources for all.
:
:We agree half way here.  I suspect that's about as far as we can take this
:one!

Understand here, that I am not trying to convert you, or convince you
to change your mind.  I'm just trying to share my own point of view.

:Donn, I want you to know I respect you even though I don't agree with
:everything you believe.  I am trying to separate people from issues,
:but I like so many others in this country are conditioned otherwise.
:When we say "f**k you" to somebody for something they did, it is an
:attack against them as individuals.  I am trying to strive for something
:like "what _you did_ hurt me" (or something to that effect :-).  So,
:please don't think I'm attacking you personally just because I may not
:agree with you on some issues.

I have no feelings that you are attacting me personally.  

I do want to point out, though, that it does seem that you do
bring some judgement into the argument as to whether or not
sex between minors is right or wrong.  I can understand if
condoms were cost prohibitive, but they are not.  "Not with
my tax dollars."  Why not?  Not because it is expensive (because
it is not) but because it is wrong (judgement).  Raise your children 
with your values and I will do the same.  I will not require your
children to receive condoms and you don't preven mine from getting
them.  Your family values are yours and mine are mine.

What this comes down to, every time I have argued it with anyone, is
a moral issue of whether kids should be having sex or not.

You have not been arguing that issue, as a matter of fact you have done
an admirable job of avoiding it, but the undercurrent is still
there.




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.




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