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From: carlton@apollo.hp.com (Carl Hommel)
Subject: Facing faces
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:16:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

"That is why first impressions     are often correct."  -David Byrne

Have you ever photographed a friend, and found that the picture doesn't
look at all like them?  Looked in a mirror, and not recognized the
face you see?  Have you had the experience of unexpectedly meeting a
stranger, and *snap* suddenly you saw a friend?

Upon first glancing at stranger, you form a gestalt impression of them.
Hair style, body language, muscular build, charisma, makeup, etc all
combine to broadcast a signal about that person to the surroundings.  
"Dress for Success" and other magickal tomes give solid, practical advice
on how to manuver tangible items to manage that first impression.

But I'd like to talk about something else.

Long term couples tend to see a mental image of their partner, rather 
than their actual physical body.  Their shared consensual reality is
relative to themselves.  In teen dating circles, this often leads to 
conversations like,
    "How could you date that broad.  She's sooo gross!"
    "Huh?  What do you mean?  She's really beautiful."
or
    "Eeeyww, how can you stand him?  He's got zits everywhere!"
    "Huh?  What do you mean?  Its not that noticable."

Some people are able to project this non-physical face as a first impression.
Their mental image of themselves is strong enough to overwhelm onlookers'
visual information.

That's what I'd like to talk about.

How do they do that?  Is it just affecting me, or do a lot of people get swept
up in the mental impression?  I'm now able to tell when this kind of sight
is hitting me, and can switch back an forth from the perceived vision, to
one that is more in accord with their physical substance.

People who have this kind of mental camouflage almost always hate having their
picture taken.  They have heard over the years that the photos look awful,
and nothing at all like them.  Which is true, because the camera can't see
what most friends do.  

It is possible to take sucessful pictures, because most people's mental 
projections have at least some basis in their facial structure.  You have
to take a candid shot when the lighting is right, they are thinking happy
thoughts, the camera angle is perfect, and their face has "fallen into"
the appearance they usually portray.  You also have to throw away a lot of
film...

I was having a conversation with a friend, when all of a sudden, her face got
very fuzzy, and out of focus.  When I called her on it, she said it was 
something she did around most people, but usually not around me, because I
accepted and befriended her without paying attention to her facial
disfigurements.  She turned it on and off several times, but couldn't
explain more concretely how it was working.

The quotation at the top is from a wonderful Talking Heads song about how
people evolve their faces as they grow up.

Carl Hommel
carlton@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: Re: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...what to do?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:18:20 GMT
Distribution: alt.magick

In article <Bw2Lt4.L4t@world.std.com> jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman) writes:
>HELP!  Someone whom I have not wronged has made false accusations
>against me.  This person seeks to put me on trial.  Its my word
>against her's.  I am truly innocent but this person has a 'cause' and
>will stop at nothing to further this cause.
>
>I am very much a 'newbie' to magick and am seeking advice and help for
>me, my wife, and my family.  What can/should I do?

The solution to your predicament can be found in many books on the
occult.  Have your wife prepare a meal while you gently strum the
strings of a lyre, an instrument favored by Apollo.  Apollo is a
guardian of fair legal counsel, as recorded by Aeschylus in The
Orestia.  Leave the dishes unwashed.  Later that evening, don a pair 
of silk gloves and carry the knife which your wife used to chop the
onions to the home of your false accuser.  Hack her into bits with the
knife.  Deny any alibi that your wife may supply when the police
question you about her fingerprints found on the murder weapon.
She'll surely be put in prison, but it is true that the art of Magick
requires great sacrifice.

k


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Changing times and magick.
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<1992Oct13.064302.26611@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
	<92287.123111CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:02:50 GMT


In article <92287.123111CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   Does anyone have any thoughts on the old story of " As time progresses,
>   there will be more mages around..etc."  
>   [...]

I think the number of actual students hasn't grown that much. the number of
poseu[rs/ses], pseudoids and idiots certainly has.

though if you look at history, that second number was always fairly high.

josh
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: backgrounding
Keywords: backgrounding
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I read the FAQ file, and I think I have a good idea of what it is
but I would like other opinions of the term 'backgrounding', when 
building your pyramid of concentration effect.. techniques for this?
thx.. MB.
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Magick for emotional turmoil. HELP!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:19:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct9.145825.12640@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
> 
>My girlfriend has put me into a tailspin.  Last week she was going to
>move in with me, and then this week she dumped me (unexpectedly).  Now
>we're back together, but she says only on a trial basis.  This is all
>totally unexpected for me.  I am in a bit of a shock.  Major emotional
>distress has set in.  Having major difficulty eating, sleeping and working.
> 
>Anybody out there got any magick that will help me cope?
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Chris

You might not like this advice, but IMO the most best thing you 
can do is agree to the trial basis and tell her you both should 
start seeing other people too, then follow through and go out 
with other people - as often as possible.  This will help you get 
a new perspective on the situation.

This isn't magick, just common sense.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: Toe dipping
Keywords: Re: Toe dipping
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:22:21 GMT

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:

>I have seen that there are some extremely erudite contributers here.
>Now would someone out of all this erudition inform me as to the
>location of the psychic centre in the human body?

Hi -

I'd have to say that there are three ways of looking at 
psychic centers:


The first and most important way, is to see yourself as the center
of manifestation and emination. You can't just say "I know" this you 
must KNOW by having looked, saying you understand isn't good enough.
The tools of awareness and perception are of utmost importance. You 
must be centered. This is the most basic, and the most often over-
looked by those seeking a short cut. However, there's an old sufi 
saying "those who begin in the middle end up back at the beginning."
You can't percieve or control yourself correctly until you recog-
nize what is your domain, what you really are. You must know what
is you, and what is coming from outside of you. This is the first 
step in practicing Raja Yoga, the yoga of the mind. If you don't
know what you are everything else is useless, it would be like 
trying to build an adobe house in a river.



The second way of looking at psychic centers is a different view of 
you, the Chakra system. There are seven chakras. The fifth chakra has 
to do with clairaudience. The sixth, with psychic sight....attuning
this chakra to certain frequencies is suppoed to give you vision on
other planes of existence (Astral planes, angelic realms, etc.) The 
seventh the crown chakra has to do with "knowing" accessing knowledge
in a psychic fashion. There is a complete system to knowing how to 
use and developing them, and it takes some time to learn and some
help wouldn't hurt either. Overdevelopment of one or two of the 
chakras is not "cool." Probably some types of psychosis are just 
that. My advice if you're going to dink with this stuff is to find
out as much as you can, and what seems common to all sources is 
probably correct, but I would look for two or three sources of 
information that you felt were good, and keep them handy. Again
chakras are a system, they work together, emphasizing one over
the others is "not good." The root chakra, necessary for 
grounding and dissipating energy is often overlooked by the 
beginner, and is responsible for feelings of spaciness, not
feeling grounded. Learn the whole system.



The third way of looking at power points is the hara. Apparently 
this is the center of intent, and is different than the second 
chakra. It is called the center of the true self. The keyword is
intent. Aikido, Ki, Qi, Carlos Casteneda, Hara, are some places
to look for information. Also the Healing TAO books, by M. CHIA.


Wm T.

  "Just my opinion, thank you."

.standard disclaimer


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:57:19 GMT

In article 718478320@unix1.tcd.ie, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
> In <1992Oct5.190037.3353@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:
> 
> >my point was that without the term good the term evil is unnecessary as well as 	with the term evil than good would not be needed ...
> 
> > it has to do with the law of opposites ... or Opposing Forces ...
> 
> >u cant have one without the other .... 
> 
> 
> O but you can. Read Catholic theology...evil is not something of itself
> it is not the opposite of good. Rather it is a stunting...a twisted
> version of the true form...I forget the actual argument and words bu
> tthat is the gist of it...I'm *sure* someone out there must have posted
> something along these lines?
> 
> Ollie/Lucifuge...
> 
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Lord is my Shepherd..........................but I'm not a Sheep
> --------------------------ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie-----------------------


o.k. lets look at the catholic religion .. to which i was born into...

it appears to me that yes Satan was at the left hand of god but thought him equal to god ..
so god cast satan down to the abyss to where he built his own house .. pandamonium ...


if god is the what we refer to as THE LIGHT then dont we call SATAN the DARK lord .... 
hmm seems opposite to me .. 

and dont u get an opposite by stunting or twisting as u say .. or how about perverting that which was true ... to suit his own needs .... 


but now we are getting into hair splitting .... 

and i will concede to the fact that u can have one without the other .. but sooner or later the OTHER "choice" will be discovered and utilized ....

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: af052@yfn.ysu.edu (Richard A. Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: NEED HELP.
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:03:05 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


   I too am familiar with the list since 91.  At first, I considered
it a humourous trip for the mind.  But, there were a couple of posts
and a couple of people who invited me to rethink my initial and hasty
judgement.

   You just never really know until you experience it yourself, do you?

-- 
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xx   "Do until thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."   xx
xx                                    --Aleister Cabbage   xx
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From: Myrddin@tri.isolatedw.ow (Myrddin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: more on Merlin (Taliesin)
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:22:26 GMT
Organization: Dies Immortales
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A704809991050542@maths-g16-m02.cc.monash.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 22:22:17 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9

In article <1992Oct14.161054.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> ,
crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>Well, that's probably more than you ever wanted to know about Taliesin...
I doubt it. I am always interested in hearing material of the
historical/mythological varieties.
I, myself was quite surprised when I read in a book of Welsh verse that
Taliesin was a member of the "Scottish" court. Even I had only ever
known/thought of him as being Welsh. Maybe it was a misprint. I hope so,
because the Scottish do not seem to _me_ to be as interesting as the
Welsh. Don't get me wrong - I admire the Scottish: who else would be
brave enough to wear kilts with nay trews, eat sheep's stomaches and
transport lumber in such a perculiar way.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
One of the best series of books (Fictional) that I have read on this
Welsh sort of theme, is the "PENDRAGON CYCLE" trilogy by Stephen Lawhead.
Book 1 - Taliesin
Book 2 - Merlin
Book 3 - Arthur

I will get the book of Welsh verse back out of my library to quote it
soon.

______________________________________
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
______________________________________
Xref: sparky alt.magick:5260 alt.horror.cthulhu:223 alt.horror:4475
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.horror.cthulhu,alt.horror
Subject: Re: The NET-ronomicon
Summary: Let's do it, fellow eldritch horrors!
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:46:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <Qergy=W00WBO41oYI9@andrew.cmu.edu> kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) writes:
>Repeat:  Because there are so many viewpoints on the N-con, there is no
>way we can form one definitive compilation or "history" or consensus. 
>
>Don't take this in the wrong way.  If you limit the input into a Net-con
>to strictly Lovecraftian sources, or have a non-standard disclaimer
>accompanying the thing, I can see such a work being justified. 
>Kendrick Kerwin Chua
>kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
>kendrick+@CMU.EDU
>Cthulhu for President, 1992!

All right, then.  Anyone else have any objections to writing
the Net-ronomicon?  It shouldn't be too difficult.  Perhaps
we should include several sections: one filled with
interesting couplets (like the famous "with strange aeons" one),
one filled with impossible-to-perform magickal formulae and
incantations with no pronunciation guides, one filled with
predictions of a suitably vague and horrifying nature, etc.,
etc.

Obviously there are a lot of people that feel strongly about this,
though, so if there are any other objections, please bring them up.
Otherwise, lets find a spot on the net and start collating
entries!

	Jason
	Our Reporter on the Icy Wastes of Yuggoth
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:37:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Toe Dipping
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Morgan Mussell writes:

[stuff deleted]
 
>Most often, that position of the eyes is combined with posture, breathing
>pattern, mantra, visualization or other seed for meditation, and the sum of
>all these activities certainly should produce alpha states.

If by `alpha states' you mean `states in which alpha rhythms are detectable'
then it is worth mentioning that alpha rhythms are produced fairly
consistently on closing the eyes - no special techniques are necessary to
induce them. They don't seem to correlate to desirable states of relaxation,
self-centredness, etc. in anything other than the trivial sense that if
you have your eyes shut, then you are in alpha. I've verified this for myself
with my home-made brain-wave detector.

Colin
From: L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: NEED HELP.
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:15:56 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


  Hi people,  I'v studied occult a while, back, then I stopped, since some ooh,
 very bad things happened.  But the "help" that I need is this: Around 5 years
ago I wen't to this place (it's in BROOKLYN), on the presumption that there wou
ld be vampires there, I don't have time to explain it all now, but I need to fi
nd out what's going on in that place.  I left a description of it on alt.vapyre
s  it's my first or second message there.  I don't know if that place is still
an "active" sight, I haven't passed by it in around 2 years, but everytime I do
 I feel something is watching me, always watching.
                                  Thanx people.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Crowley file list needed
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:05:22 GMT

In article <92281.141048K3006E8@ALIJKU11.BITNET> <K3006E8@ALIJKU11.BITNET> writes:
>HIgh,
>
>           ME TOO||||

 It was posted before. Try reading back about two weeks.


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...what to do?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: alt.magick
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:28:26 GMT

jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman) writes:
: HELP!  Someone whom I have not wronged has made false accusations
: against me.  This person seeks to put me on trial.  Its my word
: against her's.  I am truly innocent but this person has a 'cause' and
: will stop at nothing to further this cause.
: 
: I stand to lose my job, my home, possibly my wife (we have grown ever
: closer and stronger through this ordeal, the only 'bright' side of
: this woeful tale).
: 
: I am very much a 'newbie' to magick and am seeking advice and help for
: me, my wife, and my family.  What can/should I do?  We have tried
: talking to this person...no use.
: 
: Please help!  Time is very short.

Run, don't walk, to a good lawyer.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:03:08 +0000

My vote with Bran and Bill. Goggles won't help you see auras except
by so distorting your normal view that maybe you strat to see other
things.... that is they might just act as a ritual tool.
Leo
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Blasphemy
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:01:41 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I've seen a lot of posts lately that say 'don't trifle with the n-con' and
such.  I think I am going to go find myself a copy so I can trifle with the
fucking thing...

Not to be a dick or anything, but that is seriously what I am going to do.  You
see, I have recently come to realize that blasphemy is the highest form of
magick.  Blasphemy of _any_ power, not just the Hebrew Jehova.  I have come to
believe this, not because of any special power involved in blasphemy -- just
because blasphemy is the only magick that can't be defeated.  Whether it
derives me any extra powers in unimportant.  The fact is, it is the only thing
left for me.

Are there any other sacred things that I should not fuck with?

--Hum
jallen@andy.bgsu.edu  bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu

P.S.  other opinions would be appreciated
From: jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Enemy seeks to put me on trial...what to do?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:27:03 GMT
Distribution: alt.magick
Organization: Nexus

HELP!  Someone whom I have not wronged has made false accusations
against me.  This person seeks to put me on trial.  Its my word
against her's.  I am truly innocent but this person has a 'cause' and
will stop at nothing to further this cause.

I stand to lose my job, my home, possibly my wife (we have grown ever
closer and stronger through this ordeal, the only 'bright' side of
this woeful tale).

I am very much a 'newbie' to magick and am seeking advice and help for
me, my wife, and my family.  What can/should I do?  We have tried
talking to this person...no use.

Please help!  Time is very short.

Blessed be,

    John & Ann
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: MISSING-PERSON LOCATOR
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:53:33 GMT
Organization: The HRC

In article <JJAS.92Oct13210916@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu> jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson) writes, about Robert McElwaine(mcelwre):
>Photographs will not work.  "Specimen" must be some physical part of the missing individual in relatively new to good condition.  i.e. blood must still be wet as must any other bodily fluid.  Hair is best choice considering its long storage life and ready availability.  However, it is a weak link to a person's vital essence and so an inferior method.
>Clothing or cherished personal belongings are not likely work unless held or concentrated upon by said individual within last lunar year.  And even then, provide the weakest link yet.

Firstly - PLEASE KEEP TO 80CHR LINES, if possible! Its a real pain when trying
to quote sections (and I'm stuck with a rubbish editor, so I didn't bother!!)

Anyway, I have to beg to differ. A photograph will work very well indeed, in
my experience. I can only presume that either (a) photography captures more
than just visible light or (b) the Massmind is a lot better at identifying 
people than we give credit for. Or I could just be odd, personally.
Anyway, a peice of handwritten text will do just as well, and if you
try hard, you can get a fine trace off clothing, even fairly new or long-
abandoned, or a toy, or a pen, or pretty much anything. I dislike the idea
of using blood - there's no need to damage the person to get the signature.
In fact, the best link Ive found yet, is to get a person who knows the other
well, and get them to describe the person in great detail. The signature is
very strong in their mind at the time, and can be easily plucked.

Tim.

--
                                  |   "Everything is true, even false things."
        *****     B3     *****    | "Even false things? How can that be??"
                                  |   "Dont ask me man, I didn't do it!"
    | ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk // perhaps via nsf.ac.uk if you get desperate..... |
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: New Merlin Tarot book
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:19:02 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


I had a quick glance at the new Merlin Tarot book and it has
lots of stuff in it that the original book didn't have including
a section on the Ace cards (so eat your words peggy).

Chris