HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 107--final
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:35:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.160830.7436@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>In article <rWf=3DA@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>|> 
>|> [useless, irrelevant bitching over a computer system (of all
>|>  things!) deleted]
>|> 
>|> You need to get your head out of your ass......
>
>That comment is totally uncalled for.
>
>Shows what that single victory over a team with a winning record during 
>a season can do to a fan's ego and their sense of justice.
>
>I thought you learned your lesson in humility back in the summer after
>being raked over the coals for recklessly and irresponsibly blathering
>about other schools' reputations for academics and violations based 
>totally on heresy (swc)?  Obviously not.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
yup, swc, remember, A&M and Texas doesn't fit the big 10 mold academically...

We don't have any academics in the SWC, just summer jobs!!!  ;-)

cmuck (where's my paycheck?)  

>
>Hint: "hu" comes after "he".  Check it out next time you feel the need
>to pull meaningless straws out of your ass to both prove an irrelevant 
>point about a computer system and to unprovokingly criticize its author.
>
>-- 
>
>Kevin H. Klinge
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>kevink@soac.bellcore.com
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:50:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.150339.22620@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
|> In article <ASH.93Jan4144721@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
|> 
|> >Come on, people, leave those poor 'canes fans alone.  Yeah, they were
|> >overconfident, and yes, they talked trash, and ok, they didn't give
|> >Alabama any respect.  And yes, they deserve to eat huge mounds of
|> >crow, and sure, Gino didn't deserve the Heisman.  But are those good
|> >reasons to pick on them now?
|> 
|> Alabama won, I have to admit.  But, I tell you what --
|> I would take Miami in a second in there were to be a rematch.  I STILL think
|> Miami is the better team (although if I were an AP poll voter, I would be
|> reluctantly obliged to vote Miami #1).  
|> 
|> I'm usually not a "woofer" (and I sure as hell don't know exactly what a 
|> "woofer" is or what the whole "woo" religion is about), but go to hell 
|> Alabama!!   You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!
|> 
|> ;7)
|> 
	Listen up asshole.  Your canes lost. Can't you get that through
	your thick head. You lost then and you would lose today and the
	next and so on.  Next year will be a different team.  THIS YEAR
	ALABAMA IS THE MNC AND THERE ISN'T ONE DAMN THING YOU OR ALL OF
	YOUR BLOWHARD FRIENDS CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO, shut the f*ck up and
	take it like a man and not a mouse.  Like someone else said,
	'if miami doesn't give us respect, we'll take it from them.'
	You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it.  We DID take
	it for a long time. Take your medicine and sit there and love
	it or I'll send Curry and Copeland over to give it to you 8^)

	Bama fans, any additions will be gladly encouraged !!!!
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Organization: American Math. Society
	<ASH.93Jan5115831@ulysses.mr.ams.com> <79147@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:25:19 GMT

In article <79147@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

   >aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:

   >}>I see. I thought the Bama posters would have more *class* than the
   >}>Miami posters and not talk trash. I must have been mistaken. From
   >}>here, I can't tell the difference between the two anymore. 

   >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) wrote:
   >}
   >}I agree.  The trash talk from the 'Bama fans doesn't make them look
   >}too good.  Yes, they had to endure the same from the 'Canes fans, but
   >}now they've dragged themselves down to same level.  Trash talk is
   >}trash talk, regardless of how deserving the recipent is.

   >I guess that makes your comments about 'Bama fans "trash talk"
   >as well then, right?  So you guys are no better either?

If you want to define our comments as trash talk, then you can
consider it as such.  However, I don't think it qualifies.  I can't
seem to find a definition of "trash talk" in my Websters, so I suppose
it's up to you to decide for yourself.  One man's trash talk is
another man's treasure talk, I guess.




-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?

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From: wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers)
Subject: Re: Ohio St - recruiting
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:45:16 GMT


>All this talk about great recruiting classes year after year by the Buckeyes
>makes me laugh. These ratings of recruiting classes are highly suspect. There
>is a huge difference between being a star in high school and making it in
>college. The Little 10 has had many schools (Iowa, Illinois, OSU, Mich. St)
.             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        ~~~~~~~~
>with highly rated recruiting classes year after year and yet the conference
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>is a shadow of what it once was - except for Michigan. Only three schools
>went to
>bowl games and one of those - Illinois - didn't deserve it. They were
>invited because of lots of fan support and a huge number of alumni.
>I'm very skeptical of recruit ratings - until I see them play.
~
Illinois's highly rated recruiting classes?  Maybe that was Western or
Northern Illinois.  Mackovic's first recruiting class (this year's senior
class)  was 15 players and pathetic.  No top players, only those no one
else wanted.  The best player, Verdusco, had no other offers to QB.
The next year was poor, and I think was scholarship limited
due to sanctions.  His third year (after Citrus Bowl victory over VA)
was a very good class.  But not nationally ranked.  And he lost
oral committments from the nation's best fullback and a national tight
end because of rumors about basketball sanctions affecting football.
Both went to Miami insteadthe back was starting fullback Donnell Bennett.
Mackovics final year was average.


Lou Tepper had quality last year at the RB & QB spots, but only 15 scholar
ships to give. Wisconsin was rated with a better class than Illinois.
That's the last five. I'd rate them 1 pathetic, 1 poor, 1 very good, and
1 average, 1 good.  Not exactly the stuff from which Top 20 programs are
built.  But perhaps you're right about the way press and network coverage
builds them up.  But is it fair to badmouth 17 year old kids who haven't
even put on the pads in college?

I don't believe Illini's record is what got them to San Diego either.

posted for John Althauser
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: TV Ratings (was: Big 10 Review)
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:27:25 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

>mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>I also don't follow the logic that a playoff system would get better
>>TV ratings.  If an undisputed MNC game of #1 vs. #2 draws poor
>>ratings, why should we expect playoffs to do any better?


Why didn't the Sugar Bowl move the game to January 2?  They could
have had the game on Saturday night with no other game on opposite
to it.  This is what the Fiesta Bowl did in '87 when they had
#1 Miami play #2 Penn State.

There are too many games on New Year's Day now.  


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Review: PITTSBURGH
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:19:55 GMT


Pittsburgh in 1992:  Pitt Couldn't Hackett Anymore.

As the season began, hopes ran high throughout the Big East for
winning records.  Every team, except Temple, expected a winning record.
But, as the season progressed it was obvious Pitt would not have a 
winning year; they had no defense.  In 1991, Pitt gave up 184 points in
its last 6 games and 1992 didn't slow the avalanche.  Alex Van Pelt would give
you a couple of touchdowns but the defense would give them right back
and then some more too.  Nine times opposing teams scored over 30 points
on the Panther "D," with Penn State and Notre Dame going over the 50
mark.   Coach Hackett became the second coaching casualty in the BE,
and he didn't even get to go to Hawaii for the teams final game
on December 5.


Good Tidings:

1.  Two sophomore running backs had good years.  Tim Colicchio averaged
82.6 yds per game and Curtis Martin chipped in with over 60 ypg.

2.  Another sophomore, Dietrich Jells, has speed to burn as the wideout
averaged over 20 yards per catch.

3.  Van Pelt led the BE in touchdown passes and yards.

4.  Perhaps the Second Coming of Johnny Majors can instill some life
into the program and win the fans back, like he did 20 years ago.


Bummer, man:

1.  A defense that gave up 429 points (37/game).

2.  Fan apathy.

3.  A first-ever loss to Rutgers (on national TV too).

4.  Against Penn State, Pitt had a PAT blocked and the ball was run back
by State for a 2-point play.  Let's leave it at that.


                1992*   1991*   1990*   1989    1988    1987    1986
Pittsburgh      3-9     6-5     3-7-1   8-3-1   6-5     8-4     5-5-1  

* The "Buddy" Hackett years.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:24:22 GMT

Mark Mitchell writes:

>I have "no idea"?  You mean that for all I know Miami might have gone
>to the Lunar Bowl at Tranquility Base?

Hey - that'd be cool.  I wonder if your typical college punter can kick the 
ball into lunar orbit?

>This does not fit in very well with the Blowhard Universe model, which
>states that the Sugar Bowl would have prefered to invite Notre Dame.

I thought that was the Domer Universe in which *every* bowl would prefer to 
invite Notre Dame.  Or was that just the Cotton-Pickin' Universe?

     - Pat
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami strategy?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:09:43 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
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harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.175908.16742@newssun.med.miami.edu>
>dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>> what I understand, if they offensive captain complains three times about
>> noise, the defense gets penalized ... if so, do the referees have the
>> authority to nullify that rule?

-If the rule were written as you described, the visiting QB could
-complain after every play resulting in the home team being penalized
-after every third play.  

I thought the rule was that if the crowd is warned three times officially
through the PA system, then timeouts are taken away, after which yards are
penalized.

-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu


>>>6 Long live Keith Jackson!  And may Brent Musburger be fired again.
>>Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
>>I have EVER had the misfortune to hear!  Musberger is far better,  at least
>>he doesn't make stupid mistakes like calling the teams by the wrong name like
>>he did in the UW AZ game.  Jeers to all the announcers who mindlessly read
>>from a script!  You must like him because he was the bearer of good news.  He's
>>no quality announcer.  Marv Albert is the king!
>>wessir
>
>
>You guys are BOTH wrong, BOTH Musbugger and Jackoff are tied for the worst
>commentator award. Jackson, like you said, is a totally absent minded oaf
>who can't get a team name, or school name right if he tried (Michingan/FSU
>game last year for example, always called FSU "Florida"). Not to mention the
>fact that he gets far too much credit for simply stating the obvious.
>Musberger on the other hand, is just plain obnoxious. I don't think he knows
>anything about the mechanics of the game, and he shouts at every little event
>that takes place (think about it...how many times have you heard him yell,
>"FUMBLE!!!" when the ball comes loose, even though it is after the play is
>long since dead? I think I heard it about three times in the Cotton bowl this
>year alone, but he does that shit in all his games.)
>
>The best commentator in all football (college or pro) is, IMHO, John Madden.
Slap! (I slap myself in the head)  How could I have forgotten about Madden?!?
Thanks for reminding me...
Madden! Madden! Madden! Madden! Madden! Madden! Joooohhhnnnnn Madden!!!!
wessir


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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl prognosticators' review
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:11:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.190543.14457@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.144149.13797@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
|> >
|> >Actually, you forgot to mention that Njan also added the following line 
|> >in his "response" to Tim:
|> >
|> >"I am sure a lot of Big & Easy fans are going to be terribly upset after 
|> >the game."
|> >
|> >Right then, I knew for sure to put all my money on Syracuse.
|> 
|> Yeah, but they needed a *TWO* clippings to do that... and a sad set of jokers
|> for referees.

And don't forget the bad field conditions, and the McCartney controversy, and 
the anti-Colorado sentiment, and the..

Why, the excuses are endless...

|> without counting the gifted TD, the score is 22 - 19 ( my prediction  was 21-17
|> which was based on the quality of the teams and didn't include incompetence of
|> the referees. )
|> 
|> Anyway, big and easy got thrashed by some other thrid rate Teams. Big eight
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hello, McFly?  Anybody home in there? 

|> really lost only one game which was to the best football team that played on
|> Jan 1, FSU.
|> 
|> A&M, for national champs! HA!

That's tellin 'em!  Keep 'em honest, oh bearer of all truths!

|> Njan

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:49:37 GMT

In article <aggie-050193174430@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.175103.8634@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
|> (Guy D. McConnell) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <aggie-040193173118@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> 
|> >     "Whining" he says?!
|> 
|> It sure struck me that way.

    Sorry James.  I didn't mean to strike you in any way.

|> > |> >     Glad to have a chance to clear up that penalty for the record.
|> > |> 
|> > |> And I thought Miami fans could be poor winners...
|> > 
|> >     You thought?!  Well, I took the opportunity to inject a little good-natured
|> > humor into a situation that could have been costly to Alabama.  Anyone who saw
|> > a 15 yard penalty in Lassic's actions at the goal line needs their head examined.
|> 
|> Where are the smiley's? Did I accidentally delete 'em? Sounded pretty
|> serious to me, but you're an ok Guy :), so I'll take your word for it.

    The problem is that I'm allergic to smileys.  I would use one of my favorite
disclaimers in my .sig file:

    "Warning, sarcasm may not be labled as such"

but I've seen more than one person already using that.

|> Lassic got screwed, indeed. A warning would have been sufficient, IMHO,
|> but as has been pointed out, technically, it was a violation. Of course,
|> so was Lou Holtz's head lock. In the stands, we thought Lassic had said
|> something, either to the official, or to one of the Blowhards. I was at
|> *least* 75 yards away, and I could have called the facemasking he got. I
|> probably would have said something where I the victim of such a vicious
|> foul.

    That was my point and therefore the humor.  He was facemasked visciously and
his crime was spinning the ball on the turf.  I sarcasticly pointed out that the
ball-spin had to be regarded as the most serious foul else the penalties would
have been offsetting.  The referee specifically mentioned something about the
"major-distance penalty" being enforced.  That was *not* a 5 yard facemask boys
and girls.

|> Do you people *really* think I was rooting for *Miami*?

    I hadn't thought about it but I did wonder why and Aggie went to the Sugar
Bowl.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
		  "All I need is a pint a day"

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From: tpp@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.p.pschar)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:11:02 GMT

In article <C0GGrG.CnH@harpo.dev.uga.edu> easley@harpo.dev.uga.edu (Mike Easley) writes:
>In article <79050@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
>>}
>>}Yeah, I can. Take away two of Gino's errors (the two INT's in the 3rd
>>}quarter), and it becomes *anyones* ball game.
>>
>>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
>>
>>Stop it - you're killing me!
>>
>>How about this - take away only *one* interception against Penn State
>>and the overrated Blowhards wouldn't have even been playing in the
>>Sugar Bowl for the championship. 
>
>Either that or give Syracuse about 30 more seconds...:)

Or one less puke.  (Marvin Graves, on the sidelines.)  Cost them their last
time out.  Then he came back and ran a keeper on the option on the first play.
Now THAT'S a guy after next year's Heisman!

>
>>
>>-- 
>>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>>
>>   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
>--
>easley@athena.cs.uga.edu
>easley@harpo.dev.uga.edu
>


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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl prognosticators' review
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:05:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.144149.13797@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>
>Actually, you forgot to mention that Njan also added the following line 
>in his "response" to Tim:
>
>"I am sure a lot of Big & Easy fans are going to be terribly upset after 
>the game."
>
>Right then, I knew for sure to put all my money on Syracuse.

Yeah, but they needed a *TWO* clippings to do that... and a sad set of jokers
for referees.

without counting the gifted TD, the score is 22 - 19 ( my prediction  was 21-17
which was based on the quality of the teams and didn't include incompetence of
the referees. )

Anyway, big and easy got thrashed by some other thrid rate Teams. Big eight
really lost only one game which was to the best football team that played on
Jan 1, FSU.

A&M, for national champs! HA!

>Kevin H. Klinge

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: A Question about the "Bear"
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:07:12 GMT

When Alabama won one of their Nat'l Championships in the 60/70's, they
went in to the bowl ranked number 1. They had a chance to play the
number 2 ranked team in the nation in one certain bowl but elected to
play the number 16th(?) ranked team in another bowl. 

Is their any truth to this? Can someone help me with this? There is a
big argument in my office about this.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
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