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From: BURAK@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (BURAK CERRAHOGLU)
Subject: Re: iSLAM VE DEMOKRASi
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:41:47 GMT
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Hakki Kocabas writes:

[....deleted]

> ben Seytan'dan daha zenginim. Ataturk'un muslumanlara  
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ters giydirdigi kulahi burada Seytan'a ters giydirmek uzere programlandim..  
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|| Demek Ataturk muslumanlara kulahlarini ters giydirmis... Niye benim kula-
|| him hala duz??--hani benim ters kulahim-- yoksa ben "demokrasi avcisiyim"
|| diye ben de mi musluman degilim?? Bosuna mubarek agzinizi yormayiniz sayin
|| Hakki ama TR icin benim gibi gencler varoldukca 'din' ve 'devlet' isleri
|| uzun sure ayri bazlarda tartisilacak. Cunku su an TR'de soyle boyle 
|| yuruyen bir demokrasi var ve hicbir guc odagina [icerde ve disarda] bu
|| gecisi aksattiracak en ufak bir sans verilmemeli! Ben 12 eylul'u hatir-
|| lamiyorum, ve bir 'tekrara' da asla yer yok!   TR muslumanin da
|| hristiyanin da musevinin de baris icinde yasayabilecegi ornek bir vatan
|| olmali. Butun bunlara da demokrasiyle varabiliriz, musluman bir hukumet
|| ile degil. Belki bazi okurlar "bosuna ceneni yorma, ne soylersen soyle
|| bunlar hep ayni yolda" diyebilirler ama Siz tekrar tekrar etmezseniz,
|| onlar etmezse, ben etmezsem, Ataturkun kurdugu yolda nasil ilerleyebiliriz?
|| TR birkac kere ucurumun esigine gelmedi mi?? Sayin Hakki, bilmem farkinda
|| misiniz, sizin umit ettiginizden cok daha farkli degerlere sahip bir 
|| nesil yetisiyor, her birinde bir Ataturk gorebilirsiniz.....
  
||  Saygilar,

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||*AFS----Another Friend Somewhere*
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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: iSLAM'IN GERCEK YUZU: AFGANISTAN'DA ALLAH ADINA IDAMLAR
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:37:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

|    1. Allah'in aklina insan akli ermez. Onun yaptigina sual olmaz.
Akli boyle tarif eden hangi muslumani gordun, ve bu sekilde kullanma 
yetkisini nereden aldin?

|    2. Inanc insanla Allah arasindadir. Peygamber efendimiz bile, bize
|       yaptiklarimizin sorumlusunun yine biz olacagini bakin ne de
|       guzel arzetmis.

Allah'in Kur'an da tarifledigi dini ile tahrif edilen (bozulan) semavi dinleri
karistiriyorsunuz.


|
|     ...Yagmalam, tecavuz ve cinayet suclarindan hukum giyen dort kisi,
|     baskent Kabil'de toplanan onbinlerce kisinin gozleri onunde ve idama onay
|     veren cigliklar arasinda asildi. DiNi bir torenhavasinda gecen idamlar
|     oncesinde okunan kararda mahkumlarin bir duzineden fazla kisiyi
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|     oldurdukleri, 5 kadinin irzina gectikleri ve cok sayida hukumet binasini
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|     yagmaladiklari bildirildi. Bir kac dakika icinde olen dort mahkum uzun
|     bir sure daragacinda indirilmeyerek, ibret-i alem icin sallandirildilar.
|     Idamlarin gerceklestigi alanda toplanan binlerce kisi ise cesetlerin
|     ayaklarina asilarak oynadilar.........
|
|     IDAMLARDAN SONRA YAPILAN ANONSLARDA ISE iSLAMI ESASLARA DAYANAN YENI
|     AFGAN hUKUMETININ TOPLUM AHLAKINA TERS DUSEN SUC ISLEYENLERIN AYNEN
|     CEZALANDIRILACAGI BILDIRILDI.''
|


Burada sadece bir ayet-i kerime verecegim, ve bu ayeti referans olarak
degil akletmenize yol acabilir diye veriyorum.

"Ey Akil sahipleri! KISASTA sizin icin hayat vardir. Umulur ki,
prensiplere uyar da kendinizi (kotuluklerden) korursunuz"

Sadece akletmeye calis! katillerin oldurdugu bir duzine icinde baban,
5 kadinin icinde de annen olsaydi o katillere verilecek ne tur ceza 
seni tatmin ederdi? Ayrica toplumda bu olayi goren diger insanlar bir
daha bu halti islemeye curet edebilirlermiydi? Ayet-i Kerimede dikkat
edilirse akil sahiplerine hitap ediliyor ve aklettigin zaman burada
'kisasta hayat vardir' sozunu cok daha iyi anlayacaksin. Tabiki kibir 
ve gururun akletmene perde cekmezse!!!

| saygilarimla
| ------------
| kaya


Beytullah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: MUHAMMED'E MEKKELILERIN TEKLIF ETTIGI SERVETI, MUHAMMED'IN
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:11:00 GMT

In article <10671.9212152056@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:

........
>
>paragraf 4: Rasulullah (SAV) efendimiz kendisine Islami teblig eder,

Two questions related to the discussions on SCT:

1) What does SAV mean? I see this all over the articles?
2) Does the use of the word "efendimiz" imply that Muhammed is somehow
   our 'efendi' or boss? If so, why? If not, what is implied by its
   use in this context?
   

Can Korman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tanju@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (tanju.cataltepe)
Subject: Re: MR KAYA-WOMEN AND ISLAM
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:46:00 GMT


Deniz,

When you said "[Islam] would actually gain [by reform]" in a message
I responded by asking what this meant in the context of the Qur'an. In
your response you say:

>... But we also have the silent majority, who
>have been estranged.  For the common person in Turkey, Islam is rather
>problematic, if they try to take it up, they are immediately assaulted
>by a slew of proposed changes to their lives.  I know several middle
>aged women in Turkey who wanted to learn to read the Qur'an in Arabic
>and take some lessons but they finally gave up after spending hours
>listening to the hodja admonish them to take up hijab outside of class
>as well.  Now who is at fault, the women who tried, or the hodja who
>forced them away by forcing them into a situation they did not want to
>be in?  For the great majority, Islam must, by necessity be relegated to
>the status of the occasional prayer on holy days and funerals, the
>occasional fasting, the hasty covering up if they need to enter a
>mosque.  Those that attend a mosque or come into contact with religion 
>must endure the non-ending criticism. It is the fault of the deeply
>religious, by ridiculing any attempt at religion by this majority and by
>not reaching out to them with compassion, that this majority of the
>people do not feel or live Islam.  

What you are describing is the question of "how could people `gain'
Islam?" not of Islam gaining anything, and it makes much more sense.
But even before this, the question must be "why do people/I/we
need Islam in the first place?".

As it has been discussed at length in this forum, the word "deen"
[religion] as it is used in Islam cannot be a `comfort-religion' or a
`subsidiary-religion'. However you may embark on your journey toward
Islam, the undeniable goal of this process is that Islam is going to be
the only deen for the traveller. If not, then we must be talking about
a new religion, a new Book. I agree that people can be more tactful,
but if they hide what this deen is or hide parts of the Book then they
would indeed be liars and transgressors against Allah.

Again, the key question is "why do I need Islam?". If one has organized
his/her life along certain concepts, rules, traditions and is mostly
satisfied with the result then s/he should look for remedies to his/her
problems first in that tradition. Why is this rush to reform Islam
(instead of turning to Islam) in response to questions/problems of
another deen?

-Tanju


				Musulmanam diyen kisi
				Sarti nedur bilse gerek
				Tangrinun buyrugin tutup
				Bes vakit namaz kilsa gerek

						Yunus Emre

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uga.edu (cosmic waves)
Subject: Re: THE FANS OF MUHAMMAD AND THEIR WISH
Summary: Very Funny
Keywords: Very Funny
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:14:47 GMT




In article <9212170858.AA23537@gway.emory.edu>, mario@meng.emory.edu writes...
> 
>With an intellectual level fixated between Primary School and High School,
>the members of the Mr.Muhhamad Fan Club wish to have, in Turkiye,an islamic 
>regime similar to the one in Iran.This is only a stupid and sick wishing 
>which can and will never happen.Their frame of mind is reflected in the story 
>below:
> 
>A Kid was  walking to the bathroom, when he saw through the slightly open door,
>his mother was in there.  She was buck naked and looking into the mirror while
>rubbing her breasts and moaning "I want a man. I NEED a man!".  The next day,
>the same thing happens: the kid is about to enter the bathroom and sees his
>mother rubbing her naked body in front of the mirror "I want a man. I NEED a
>man"  But the next day, when the kid is on the way to the bathroom, his passes
>his mother's bedroom, where some guy is humping her while she screams "I got a
>man, OH  GOD, I got a man!!".  The kid immediately runs to the bathroom,
>stripping off his clothes on the way, then stands in front of the mirror
>rubbing his body saying "I want a bicycle.  I NEED a bicycle!"....
> 
>Keep wishing..
> 
>Maestro Can

[..continues..]

hahhahahahahahahahahaha haha ahahahaha haha ha ha
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaha ha haha hahahaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahah hahahahahahahahaha
ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha
ha ha

cosmic
From: haluk@eedsp.gatech.edu (Haluk Aydinoglu)
Subject: Netteki tartismalar
Organization: Digital Signal Processing - Ga Tech
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:09:26 GMT

telat yanik benim davar olduguma karar vermis.Ayrica kilavuzumun Kaya oldugunuda
soyluyor.Bu kisa yazimdan bu kadar sonuc cikardigi icin ustun zekali falan olmasi
gerekir.Yazimda belirttigim tek sey o gunun kosullariyla bugunun kosullarinin
farkli oldugu.Ayrica inananlarin inanclarina saygi duydugum .Birde senin dusuk
seviyeli yazilarin.

Islamin iyi yonleride vardir.Kabile olan Arap halkina bir
toplum duzeni getirmistir.Ayriyeten mesela Afganistandaki olay daha once
komunistler zamanindada olmustu.Genelde geri kalmis ulkelerde su veya bu ideoloji
icin bu yapilir ve bunda ideolojiden ziyade insanlarin kusurudur.

Netteki bu tartismada iki grubuda desteklemiyorum.Benim tek istedigim belli bir
fikri yazarken terbiye kurallari icinde kalinmasi.Bahsettigin milli degerlerimiz
icinde terbiyede vardir.Baska biri terbiyesizlik yapiyor diye terbiyesizlik
yapilmaz.Kaya'ya alkis tutmuyorum.O onun fikridir ve beni ilgilendirmez ama
herhalde sanada alkis tutmamak lazim.Cunku sen fikirlerini okumus bir insana
yakisir sekilde yazamiyorsun.
Saygilarimla
Behcet Haluk Aydinoglu

-- 
Haluk Aydinoglu
Georgia Tech, School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA  30332
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Subject: Vah vah
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:13:28 GMT

   Hasan Tayyin beycigim, lutfen yaklasin biraz, basinizi hafifce kaldirin
hah tamam, durun oyle biraz, bakiiiiim, eh gecti sayilir. Alninizdaki
dikis izleri kayboldu sayilir. Kimse labodami oldugunuzu anlamayacak.
Biz ise ameliyat labodami oldugunuzu bildigimiz icin "Noel Islam'a
maksatli bir tepkidir" sozu gecen alintiniz icin " he, he gecti gecti"
diyecegiz.  
   Simdi Hasan bey, bu iddianizi lutfen kanitlayin. Noel kim tarafindan
ve ne sekilde Islam'a karsi nasil bir maksatli tepki oluyor? Tepkiyi
kim ne ve ne icin yapiyor. Yoksa birgun yolda yururken kapisinin
uzerinde " ISLAM'A MAKSATLI TEPKISI OLANLAR ICIN CHRISTMAS'I KUTLAYANLAR
CEMIYETI" diye bir levhami gordunuz?
Bekliyoruz...
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Yabanci
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:47:23 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand


  
> Ne ilgim var benim,yazilan herseyi parcalarina bolup,tartisma  
> disinda herseyi yapmaya kararli,onune gelen herseye ve herkese saldiran  
> Yeni Zellanda daki gerizekaliyla.  
  
I like that zipir...but, had I felt the same, I would care less and  
wouldn't waste my time _not_ to argue with you...yes, I am determined  
to do anything but arguing, unless we agree on the medium of arguing -  
language....once we agree on that, you will see that there was nothing  
to argue about...so why shall we argue ? I am NOT interested about  
your opinions, but with your concepts and how they are employed...  
I am a concept collector...you throw them, and I collect :->That's  
the relation between you and I.  
  
> Maestro Can.  
>   
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant..."
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 18:49:45 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BzIoFz.w3@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes:

>(a) You did not notice the message, or you deleted it by mistake,

Nope. 

ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER

We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in
which 200  to 300 people have  been slaughtered in the  last five
days.

We  were the  first  Western  reporters there,  and  we saw  some
terrible sights.

In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way
into  a house  whose floors  were  covered with  broken glass.  A
child's bicycle lay in a corner.

In the  bathroom, looking  like a group  of waxworks,  were three
children piled on top of their murdered mother.

In a room next to it we glimpsed  the body of a woman shot in the
head.

This, we  were told, was the  home of a Turkish  Army major whose
family had been killed by the mob in the first violence.

Today was five days later, and still they lay there.

Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")

"...I saw in  a bathroom the bodies of a  mother and three infant
children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."

Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: BURAK@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (BURAK CERRAHOGLU)
Subject: Re: soc.religion.islam
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:05:28 GMT
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In <1667.9212142059@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk writes:

> In article <Bz3LLA.7v5@nic.umass.edu> BURAK@UCSVAX (BURAK CERRAHOGLU) writes:
> |Selam,
> |
> |Ben burayi soc.culture.turkish zannetmistim; megersem gormeyeli degismis. 
> |
> |BUTUN DIN TARTISMALARINIZI SOC.CULTURE.WHATEVER{ISLAM,CHRISTIAN.. }'A TASIYINIZ.
> |
> |Turk sosyal kulturu sadece ISLAMDAN olusmuyor... Islam listesine bakiniz din
> 
> Diger kulturlerinden de siz bahsederseniz yararlanma imkanimiz olur.
> Beytullah

Sayin Beytullah,

Yani siz sadece ISLAM olunca  mi fikir belirtebiliyorsunuz? Ben baska konularda
da tartisilsin gorusundeyim; politika, sanat, spor, edebiyat,bilim....vs yani
yukarda yazdiginiz  YORUM  epey seviyesiz...

>yararlannma imkanimiz olur...
 kusura bakmayin ama siz ilkokul cocugu musunuz ki illa birinin kara tahtaya
kalkip bu boyledir su soyledir mi demesi lazim...

tartisma suresince insanlar saygi cercevesinden cikmaz, fikirlerini empoze 
etmeye calismaz.. SIZ SU AN YAPILANA 'SEVIYELI TARTISMA' MI DIYORSUNUZ????

BURDA SU AN TARTISMA YAPILMIYOR AFFEDERSINIZ AMA SIDIK YARISTIRILIYOR!
*********************************
*AFS----ANOTHER FRIEND SOMEWHERE*
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.german
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: In August 1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by Hitler.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:32:03 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <9212111743.AA09913@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>   \   }}}}}  }}/             /_K_\  \\      |Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene ?|

There is an unspoken accusation in the air of laziness, "sipa".
The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored
by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the
establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any 
official position. His views were represented by his men in the
respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro
and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942.
Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after
a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to
Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] 

A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not
'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.
As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians
were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August 
1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of
Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.

[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: km2441@sdf.LoneStar.ORG (Mehmet Evrenoglu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:50:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ISLAMCI ARKADASLARDAN UFAK BIR ISTEK
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:51:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1992Dec12182143.AA47221@me.unda.edu> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes:
|
|
| Sevgili Islamci arkadaslar, bir tek konuya takilip kalmayin. Bakin
| bir suru ayet yayinladim. Yayinladigim 30 yazidan ancak, 1 tanesinde
| bir sey buldugunuzu zannettiniz. Digerlerine de, goz atin. Size

Bulmadigimizi neden millete haykirmiyorsun ? Sen ayetleri degistirdigini
kelimeler kattigini kafana gore yorumlar yaptigini kabul et (bak biz
ispatladik da) ondan sonra 1 mi 5 mi 15 mi gorecegiz.

Yanliz biraz acele et. Zamanimiz daraliyor ?


| buyuk bir acik kalplilikle, hodri meydan diyorum. Hatalarimi bulun,
| gosterin. Yoksa, imamlarin dedigi gibi, ``aman Kuran'a bakmayin, ben 
| size anlatirim'' demiyorum. Siz de bana, kanitlar gosterin. Yoksa,

Simdi buna kim inanir ? Sen bosuna kurek salliyorsun heyran.
Eger deli isen seninle isimiz yok. Yok eger degilsen o zamanda
kartlari ortaya biz koyacagiz. Simdiye kadar hep sen koydun
olmadi. Bosuna ugrasma Ki8mse senin oyununa gelmeyecek ?


Net ahalisinden tekrar ozur dilerim. Her zaman dedigim gibi
isteyen istedigini tartissin. AMA DURUSTCE, YALANSIZ, DUZENBAZLIK
YAPMADAN, SAYGI VE SEVGI SINIRLARI ICERISINDE.

Bizde vaktimiz olursa istirak eder olmazsa oturur sadece
izleriz. 


|
| Bunlari yapin, oyle konusalim. Ozellikle, ayetlerin gelis amacini bana
| yazin. Bunu gercekten cok istiyorum. Bakalim ayetler neden gelmis? 

Ortaya bir kart daha attin yine. Yemezler ?


Herkese saygilarimla


Ercan
From: aysan@sce.carleton.ca (Can Firat Aysan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: soccer results?
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:21:19 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

I'd appreciate it if you could post the soccer results of this
week-end. 
Thanks in advance.

Can Aysan.
--
oops !! Fatal error , core dumped.
From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE:YEEEEEETEEEEEEERRRRRR
Date: 12 Dec 1992 16:24:06 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 

mr Mehmet cumbuse has geldiniz, yalnizbiz su an Mr Kaya ile slow 
dans yapiyorduk. Bildiginiz gibi slow dans iki kisi ile yapilir. 

Bakalim siz neler buyurmusunuz.

> From: memo@mote.ksu.ksu.edu (Mehmet Yazici)
> Subject: YETEEEEEERRRRRRR!
>  
> Yahu yeter! Su "ona" muhabbeti bir bitse de kurtulsak.
> basbayagi, muhammed'in sadaka aldigi belli oluyor. Daha ne ustune
> variyorsunuz ? sadakalarin anlatildigi oteki ayetlerdede gorunuyor.

Oylemi ayetlri saptirmadan analatsanizda bizde anlasak olur mu.  Size
bir ansiklobedi tavsiye edeyim, oaray bir bakin sadak ne demek, sonra
elinize bir tefsir alin baahsedilen ayette sadaka ne anlamd akullanliyor
bir bakin sonrada, sonrada sesinize bir sey olmadan YYETEEEEEERRRRRRR!
diye bagirmayin. Yuvarlak laflarla konusanlari zman darligindan dolayi
simdilik cevap vermeye gerek gormuyoruz.

> Anlamadigim sey, su ganimet isinin ne oldugu? Kaya'nin ayetleri
> degistirdigini ganimet isinde de "kanitlasalar" vallahi bir sey demeyecegim.
> 
> Mehmet

ne istiyorsun, bu kadar yazildi, hala anlamdin ne yapalim, bak sana 
tavsiyem al eline bir ISLAM HUKUKU yada bir tefsir kitabina bak oradan savasta 
ganimetlerin dagilmasi ile ilgili kisimlara bak orad ne oldugunu acikaca 
gorursun. Su final zamanlarinda HAPCI DUSUNCEYE ALISMISLAR  icin kusura
bakma buraya type edecek vaktim yok.

Take it easy man, enjoy your life, keep doing whatever you have been
doing.

Remzi Cirit

  
                                                                 
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