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From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Dazza Primm)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:05:46 GMT

CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) writes:

>"Illness"?  Well, homosexuality isn't normal simply because most people
>aren't homosexual (I'm not, Sean probably isn't) but "illness" implies
>that people are sick and *need* to be cured.  I think a better analogy
>would be to disabilities: homosexuals are *unable* to find members of
>the opposite sex attractive.
I would then say that hetrosexuality is a disability, hetrosexuals are
*unable* to find members of the same sex attractive. 

>"Undiscovered physiological factor"?  Research has shown that homosexual
>men have brains which are shaped "identically" to female brains.
>Studies have shown a correlation between homosexuality in men and stress
>that the mother was in during pregnancy.  The theory is that when the
>mother encounters stress, she secretes hormones which have the effect of
>reducing the concentration of testosterone in the baby.  As a result,
>the baby's heterosexual orientation is not realized (note that this
>orientation is not *aroused* until puberty).
I have *never* seen this theory about Mother being under stress, and
sexreting hormones which reduce levels of testosterone? Sounds rather
vague, and unprovable to  me.

>Thread closed.
Not quiet

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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:59:48 GMT

kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:

>>>On the topic of sexism in ST:TNG, ever notice how even the women in
>>>high ranking positions are addressed as 'sir'?  I think that's
>>>exceptionally offensive; as if ST:TNG is saying that women can

>I found this exceptionally offensive as well.  However, a coworker of mine
>informs me that the U.S. military operates in this manner as well; he claims
>that it is strictly correct to address a female officer as "sir".  My only
>other TV experience with this phenomenon was M*A*S*H, and they addressed
>Hotlips as "ma'am".  I don't know if my friend is right or not, but I can
>forgive ST:TNG for trying to rigorously follow proper military  protocol.
>What I get sick of them doing is trying to tell me how I should think.


      I am not sure which part of the military your coworker is speaking for,
      but the U.S. Army uses sir and ma'am, for both officers and civilians.
      Maybe the Navy, which Startrek more frequently imitates, uses only sir,
      or something like that.

>>P.S.  I like ``female humans'' better than ``huwomans''.
>>      Don't create new words when existing words work.

>Well, the word for "male human" is "man", and the word for "female human" 
>is "woman".  Don't use more words than are necessary, either.

>Folks, why does this business come up so often on this newsgroup?  Every time
>I punch in I get this sexism stuff.  Men and women are not identical.  I don't
>believe that men are in any way superior *or* inferior to women, but we're not
>the same.  Both men and women bring unique contributions to human relationships.
>Why can't we all just enjoy the things that make each of us unique and special
>and quit all this bickering?  Let's enjoy life instead of making each day some
>kind of holy war.

>Kip Ingram
>kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

  Cory Padfield
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Stardates--from the horse's mouth
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:28:13 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Sep8.144354.25322@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
|> In article <rawdon.715618326@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
|> >[Cynicism alert:]
|> >
|> I find it highly amusing that they went to all the trouble of
|> setting up a mysterious past between both of those pairs, only to want
|> to disavow all of it later on.  The relationship as it stands between
|> Riker and Troi is completely unbelievable.  Clearly, they were heavily
|> involved at one time, but now they're able to shut all of that away just
|> because they serve aboard the same ship?  Right.
|> 
|> I found it interesting when Frakes was interviewed that he said that
|> although following up the Riker-Troi Love Thing is verboten, he and
|> Sirtis do everything they can to play it up.  Extended glances where
|> possible, etc.
|> 

I get s different reading of their relationship, A strong friendship 
that requires very little for each to understand the other views and/or
feelings reguradless of the Empathic abilities of Troi.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Q and Guinan(sp?)
Keywords: Q, Guinan(sp?)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:43:25 GMT

In article <3543@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Greg Wright) writes:
>
>  What is relationship between Q and Guinan(sp?)? It seems that Q never
>messes with Guinan whenever he is around. In a previous episode Q says
>that he is dreading meeting Guinan and that she is "a dangerous creature."
>  Is there some history between these two?


All we know for sure is that they were both somehow involved with
Picard's involvement in Jack Crusher's death.  It's also believed that
they hold the top secret document that chronicles Picard's "accident" at
the Academy.

We can only hope that the mysterious clues to these mysterious
characters will somehow become less mysterious.

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:50:24 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>In <1992Sep8.023214.8006@menudo.uh.edu> HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka) writes:
[I write:]

>>> Much as it pains me, I'm not taking this bait.  :-)

>>Such restraint!  *I'm* impressed. :-)

Thank you.  ;-)

>Tim and I are old sparring partners on r.a.s; I think my enthusiasm for the
>group is rising while is is falling.  Last spring, it was the opposite. :-)

Ah, Michael.  Once again you pay as much attention to my posts as you apparent-
ly do to the shows you criticize.  :-)  I said a few weeks ago that my availa-
ble time to spend on the net was about to drastically drop.  That's still true;
after this week, you'll be lucky to see anything from me save a review each
week.  Enthusiasm has little to do with it (though, truth be told, I fancy the
thought of another ripping TOS/TNG flamefest about as much as I fancy multiple
root canal work at the moment; it's extremely old news to me).

>>I, however, must ask: Which TOS episodes would you rank as being strong in 
>>both character and plot? (I'm not trying to pin you, but instead of blindly 
>>ripping into what you've said, I thought it might be a good idea to actually 
>>get some details.  :-)  What a Concept!)

I'm not 100% certain whether you meant Michael or me, but off the top of my 
head...

"Amok Time", "City on the Edge of Forever", "The Tholian Web", and "Where No
Man Has Gone Before" are certainly high on the list.  "Mirror, Mirror", too.

Tim Lynch
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:9275 rec.arts.startrek.current:13106
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: TREK RATE results (TAS)
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00: 02:02 -0500
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:02:02 GMT
Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00: 01:29 CDT

This is one of seven periodic postings for ratings of Star Trek in all flavors:

TREK RATE ballot           - for sending in your votes!
TREK RATE results (TAS)    - what the USENET community thought of TAS eps
TREK RATE results (DS9)    - what the USENET community thought of DS9 eps
TREK RATE results (BOOKS)  - what the USENET community thought of the novels
TREK RATE results (MOVIES) - what the USENET community thought of the movies
TREK RATE results (TNG)    - what the USENET community thought of TNG eps
TREK RATE results (TOS)    - what the USENET community thought of TOS eps
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first is the ballot for sending in your votes (see it for details).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The last five postings contain the average rating for  each episode, movie,
book, etc.  according to the Usenet population.  It is  useful for deciding
which books to read (weed out the one that NO one enjoyed), what episode of
TNG people thought was the best (or worst), etc.

In the list below, RATE is the average rating on a scale of 0 to  1, NUM is
the number of votes  in the  database, and  EPISODE NAME  is (surprise) the
episode name with type  (A=TAS B=book D=DS9 M=movie N=TNG O=TOS)  in paren-
thesis.



 RATE NUM                     EPISODE NAME
----- --- ------------------------------------------------------------
0.284  11 BEM (A) 
0.403  15 INFINITE VULCAN, THE (A) 
0.433  13 HOW SHARPER THAN A SERPENT'S TOOTH (A) 
0.435  10 PIRATES OF ORION, THE (A) 
0.458  12 AMBERGRIS ELEMENT, THE (A) 
0.461  10 BEYOND THE FARTHEST STAR (A) 
0.463  14 LORELEI SIGNAL, THE (A) 
0.477  11 JIHAD (A) 
0.487   8 ALBATROS (A) 
0.493  13 PRACTICAL JOKER (A) 
0.500  11 TERRATIN INCIDENT, THE (A) 
0.502  13 MAGICKS OF MEGAS-TU, THE (A) 
0.506   9 SURVIVOR, THE (A) 
0.508  13 EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, THE (A) 
0.540  10 ONE OF OUR PLANETS IS MISSING (A) 
0.558  12 COUNTER CLOCK INCIDENT, THE (A) 
0.570  10 ONCE UPON A PLANET (A) 
0.575  14 MUDD'S PASSION (A) 
0.612  13 MORE TRIBBLES, MORE TROUBLES (A) 
0.677  14 TIME TRAP (A) 
0.720  15 SLAVER WEAPON (A) 
0.727  13 YESTERYEAR (A) 
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:9220 comp.sys.mac.misc:16512
From: bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: ST:TNG Clipart
Keywords: clipart mac startrek
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:14:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca


Hi all,

I'm putting together a flyer for a ST:TNG season premier party.
I'm looking for clipart of the Enterprise or other appropriate
Next-Generation clipart.  I'm looking for something that I can
use on my Mac.

Any pointers to ftp sites, or other sources would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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bms@pyramid.com
From: bob@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com (Bob D'Amore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Smithsonian exhibit
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:46:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Oceanport NJ

In article <chris.5@bss2.umd.edu> chris@bss2.umd.edu (Chris DeJong) writes:
>Does anyone who lives in the DC area know when the ST exhibit ends (or if 
>it has it already ended.)  I remember hearing early September...
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Chris

The exhibit has been extended to Jan '93.  My wife, kids and I were there
a couple of weeks ago.  I had heard all sorts of stories of long lines and
scarsity of free tickets that I had even considered getting them from a 
local TicketMaster outlet and paying for $3.50 a pop for them for four of 
them.  I am *very* happy that I did not.  The exhibit was pretty lame.  
The fact that it took up space in one of the premiere museums in the world,
the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, I really expected a lot more.  But
then again, this is just IMHO.  Don't get me wrong.  Go see it!!  But 
please don't spend any money to do it.

Get to the museum a few minutes (15 or so) before opening at 9:00AM.  You 
will get on line to receive tickets.  They are good for that day only and
only for the time-slot (half-hour intervals) printed on the ticket.  They
have an optional 'audio tour' which you pay for.  They hook you up with a
tape player, cassette and headphones so some of the actors can "take you
through" the exhibit.  Good Luck.  Hope you enjoy it.  -- BobD

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From: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Tony D. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Updated episode list
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:59:07 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Can someone please send me an episode list that contains stardates for
episodes 117 - 126?  Thanks in advance.

  Tony D. Lowe, The HapMaster BITNET:   tdlowe01@ulkyvx.bitnet
  North Computer Center       INTERNET: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
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From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:30:26 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
|
|there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
|it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
|physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
|however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
|of the past.

What a fucking moron.

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From: hinojosa@nado.hp.com (Daniel Hinojosa)
Subject: Re: Rosalind Chao (Keiko O'Brien) on Murphy Brown?
Organization: HP,NADO Santa Clara, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:40:02 GMT

In article <landrews.03q9@outb.wimsey.bc.ca> landrews@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Luke Andrews) writes:
| |I forgot to watch the credits closely, but I'm pretty sure she was
| |one of the other pregnant ladies in tonight's rerun of Murphy Brown's
| |Lamaze(sp?) class.
 
| I hadn't seen that episode until yesterday (Monday the 7th), but it did look like Rosalind Chao. And no, I didn't see the credits either.
| 
| The woman (whether or not she was) did seem shorter though.

I believe the woman was the same woman who played Mac's wife from Night
Court. Not the same woman who plays Kayko. Correct?...

that is my impression anyway.


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From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Sanctuary
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 08:34:51 GMT

Title: Sanctuary
Author: John Vornholt
Era: TOS
Summary: Kirk/Spock/McCoy follow a pirate to the surface of a
criminals' sanctuary and have a hell of a time trying to escape.

Finished reading this novel a few nights ago...thought it was a good
read.  I'm hardly one of the net.book-critics, but I thought the story
was put together in a sensible, enjoyable manner.  There's something
in the story that's been bugging me a bit the past few days.

There be spoilers here...



After reading the story, I thought the Senites (the androgynous race
that runs Sanctuary) were similar to the Borg (of TNG infamy) in more
than a few ways.  First, people who enter Sanctuary are never allowed
to leave; a shield at about 30 km altitude stops outward passage of
powered aircraft/spacecraft.  Once the Borg get hold of a sizable
group of people, they won't let go of them.  More significant than
that, though, is the way the Senites propagate themselves.  They don't
have any means of reproduction, so they take the riffraff that land on
their world (common criminals, as opposed to political criminals) and
lobotomize/castrate them.  The "Senites" are actually a mix of
different races that have been assimilated.  (Where else have we seen
that word used?)  The Senites also like to think they live a better
way of life than the rest of us...so do the Borg.

Something to think about...

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From: mkeiser@contracts.Central.Sun.COM (Mark Keiser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: New Season Help - Please
     
     I am going to be in Minneapolis this Sunday, when the season-ending
     cliffhanger for "Time's Arrow" will be resolved.  Could someone please
     tell me (email is preferred) when I can see it in Minneapolis?  I hope
     that my hotel will carry the proper channel!  :-)
     
     Thanks in advance.
     
     Mark
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:29:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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From: drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.r.wells)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:24:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Many Navy (including the battleships when we had them) carried Marine
detachments. In earlier times, the Marines were used as boarding parties.
Back then, naval battles were fought close in, and boarding was a real
possibility. Not so today.
   But, thanks to transporters, in the Star Trek universe, boarding damaged
enemy ships might be a possibility. Of course, the Klingons found out the hard
way in STIII:TSFS about the problems with that. In the non-cannonical game, 
Star Fleet Battles, starships carried "boarding parties", presumed to be 
Marines. 

		Lord Grand Admiral David R. Wells, Imperial Navy, (deceased)


"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" 5/31/1916
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: ramblings
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:13:33 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.200802.8495@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>
>>>"The Offspring", "Sarek" and "Tin Man" all missed entirely with me; nice 
>>>try, but no thanks.  This isn't soap opera, y'know.  
>>
>>Oh.  Right.  Yeah, and that "Journey to Babel" thing; I mean, how much more
>>soap-opera-ish can you *get* than having one of the main characters try to 
>>reconcile with an estranged father?  Yeesh.

>I have to admit, Tim, that "Journey" was involving in that I was very
>interested in the conflict between Spock and Sarek.  

So was I, Gary.  You missed the irony there.  Michael's taking some shows 
and dismissing them as "soap opera", despite the fact that "Journey to Babel",
an IMO excellent TOS outing, has a large number of "soap" elements to it.

It's more of my quest for criticisms that don't involve large numbers of 
buzzwords.  I'm getting enough of that watching this year's election campaign.
:-)  Don't just say "soap opera"; WHAT THINGS about TNG that are reminding
you of a soap opera are problems?  

>The TNG equivalent that comes most readily to mind is "The Icarus
>Factor", a show with a cool title, but with very little substance to
>reccomend it.  In fact, it was downright boring, capital "B".  It's one
>of those episodes that when it appears, I switch the TV off.

Agreed.

Tim Lynch
From: gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:58:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	"The Outcast" went about as far as TNG needs to go in dealing with
our modern problems with homosexuality.  It's always disturbed me to see
the current writers use TNG as a facade for their 20th century liberal
"soapboxing".  It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
of the past.

Sean

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:52:36 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <22272@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu writes:

> Why is it that Star Trek is part of the navy?  Did the army disappear?

  As someone has observed, it's a "combined service"

> Do battle ships carry Marine Corps soldiers?

  I dunno about BB's, but US aircraft carriers do.

> It makes sense that the federation should be a part of the navy since they
> call their vessels ships.  But is the navy really going to rule outer
> space?
> judson@watserv.ucr.edu

  Actually, what "service", as we think of it, that Starfleet belongs to is
pretty immaterial.  Almost since the beginning of sci-fi, space-going vehicles
have been referred to in naval terms.  The parallels are obvious.  I hardly
think we should regard this use of naval terms as indicating that Starfleet
was created out of the "wet navies" of the galaxy.

Jammer Jim Miller


semper fi,

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
	Actually, the Federation is not a military power, it is an
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:20:37 GMT

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