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From: weisen@daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Re: Running shell from inside EMACS
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:32:22 GMT

S947460@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Andrew Zaitsev) writes:
: I remember that when I used EMACS for Unix, I was able to spawn
: a shell from inside EMACS and do whatever I wanted with screen output:
: scroll,page,cut/paste, etc.
: Can I do the same thing with DOS version of EMACS ?
:  

From what I've been told, this is pretty difficult to do under regular DOS.
When I was trapped in the land of PC's, I used a commercial emacs
implementation called Epsilon.  It's the only editor I came across that
could do this, although I would guess that Brief probably could, too.  Neither
MicroEmacs nor freemacs could do it at the time.

--Neil

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on SPF like editor for UNIX
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
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Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:35:14 GMT

J Anthony Fitzgerald (jaf@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca) wrote:
: 
: Just over a year ago I saw an ad or a new product announcement in one
: of the trade journals for an SPF like editor for UNIX

One such is uni-SPF, from

The Workstation Group
6300 N. River Road
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(708) 696-4800
From: ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk (Philippe Goujard)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: What do you want in a simple editor?
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:41:09 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4SN, UK

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:

>>This is why for example I choose to implement wordstar commands.

>Quite honestly - how many DOS users know Wordstar commands?  Only those
>who have been using PCs when Wordstar was still alive, that is, a
>negligable minority.

Well... I am amongst that minority :-)
In fact editors like borland turboXXX used wordstar commands.
Even Qedit uses wordstart command (although you can do most of it with pull
down menus). I thought that wordstar commands were pretty standard amongst 
ms/dos users.


>>Now, before I release it to the net my question is : what would you need from
>>an editor if you where a beginner in unix and came from a dos background?

>QEdit.  Since it's not there and I suppose it would be rather hard to
>implement it's full functionality without making it ridiculously
>difficult to use, I settle now for mg for small stuff (letters, small
>files) and vi for bigger stuff.

Agreed, Qedit is the editor I use under ms/dos and I find it really cool.
Un fortunatley there are features that are not very easy to implement
such as multiple windows and pull down menus.

>>What do you think of micro-emacs word wrap (i.e insert a carriage return when
>>befor the last word at the end of line)? Do you think it's convenient or would
>>you prefer a full word-wrap?

>Give either an option of hard or soft return if you can, but hard MUST
>be there.

It is, and I'm not sure if I will implement a soft one (i.e when you
insert a word on a justified line it might have to redraw the full
paragraph to make it justified again).
Soft word wrap, remembering paragraphs format (margin, indentation),
having rulers, multi-columns etc... are definitely word processor
features, not editor.

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: Naseer Khan <khan@us17501.mdc.com>
Subject: Question on Stevie for the Mac
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:22:16 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Sunny Southern California
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Hi All,

I'm trying out Stevie for the Mac and I've tried reading all the varied
README and *.doc files in the distribution.  But I am still left with one 
important question:  where do I keep an .exrc file if I want to configure 
it?  I think I'm gonna like this simple and small port of VI to the Mac.
I even picked up Default Application CDEV from comp.binaries.mac so I can
set all those text files to go directly to Stevie.


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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence)
Subject: Elvis 1.6
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:29:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: elvis, vi

I'm looking for a mailserver that has elvis 1.6 version available. Does
anyone know where I can get a copy. (I have no access to FTP).
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: marak@alcor.concordia.ca ( Mike Marak)
Subject: Re: VI Mapping Help
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:36:50 GMT
X-Posted-From: alcor.concordia.ca
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Sep11.182433.25903@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>I am using remapping commands to do some common tasks in vi in a smaller
>amount of time.  If I place the map commands in the .exrc file, or the
>.login file, these keyboard remappings work when I edit a file in my home
>directory, but somehow they don't show up if I'm working in any

One of the guys in the lab here showed us how to do this. Try this in your
.login:

    setenv EXINIT 'set wm=o [any other options] | source ~/.exrc'

This works for ULTRIX (csh), abd should work for other flavors of unix.


	Hope this helps
	    Mike

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From: ramesh@veda (Ramesh Doddamani)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Recommendation on editor for C
Date: 12 Sep 1992 04:57:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: ramesh@veda.cwru.edu
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In article <4900002@tisdec.tis.tandy.com> kevinl@tisdec.tis.tandy.com writes:
> 
> 	I just got in my brief 3.1 from Borland and from what I've read,
> it is supposed to be _completely_ programmable, ie you should be able to
> program the keys: { } [ ] ( ), and any other.  Its macro language is C-like
> and compileable.
> 	However, it comes with a nice C-language package that is customizable
> to your indenting style (though I'm not sure what you'd have to do for the
> parenthesies the way you like them).
> 	So far, I don't like the way the keys are setup, but they are
> configurable, so I'll be changing them.   It has a up-to-300 level
> undo.  Multiple windows (vertical, horizontal, or whatever).  Mouse support
> (though so far, I don't think it's very _good_ mouse support).  And lots
> lots more.
> 	My biggest gripe is the setup.exe which either installs or
> reconfigures brief.  It could be easier to use.  And I hate the way it
> has to edit so many files every time it is used.
> 
> Hope all of this helps 8-)

There is an editor called "Multi-edit" which is a wonderful piece of software.  
I have used it for months. Like Brief, it also has a C-like language and is  
fully customizable. A fully working demo version is probably available  from  
one of the shareware dealers. Even though you have Brief, I think you should  
have a look at this. 

Ramesh

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From: marak@mizar.concordia.ca ( Mike Marak)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: CRISP (v2.2e) under ULTRIX 4.1 problems
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:48:31 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.editors
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

HELP !!!
  I'm trying to install CRISP on our DECstations here (DS5000/200 running
ULTRIX 4.1). I've managed to finally get a clean compile, and have the
executable (cr, not xcrisp). I can 'cr filename' and up pops the crisp
screen in my window, with the file displayed. However, nothing happens
when I type most characters on the keyboard, and I have to kill the
process (I can CTRL-Z out and then 'kill nn' it)

   Here are the 'env' settings for csh :

setenv CRISP_ROOT /disk2/misc/crisp/crisp2.2e

setenv BBACKUP ~/backup
setenv BHELP $CRISP_ROOT/help
setenv BKBD xterm
setenv BPATH $CRISP_ROOT/macros
setenv BTERM dec
setenv BVERSION 6
setenv BTERMCAP $CRISP_ROOT/utils/termcap

   Anybody have any ideas/suggestions? The keyboard appears dead when trying
this from the console, or a tty session (logged in from a VT100).

	Thanks,
         Mike


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Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Re: good vi editor for the mac
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 11:44:02 EDT
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Is there .rc file for Elvis
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:08:39 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

apologies for the delay on this, but one of the sites between here and
an Internet-connected site slowed down to a trickle recently, and
everyone down from there is still catching up on old queued-up news
batches....

In article <1992Sep12.172721.25198@dragon.acadiau.ca>
rob@dragon.acadiau.ca writes:

> I couldn't figger out a way of forcing elvis to read a exrc file,
> so I kludged a vi.bat file which looks like this:
> 
> elvis +"so c:\elvis\exrc" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

there is a much easier way to do this.  wait one, while I pull up the
relevant line from my autoexec.bat file....

set EXINIT=source c:\etc\exrc

where my config file happens to be c:/etc/exrc (you can, of course,
substitute whatever happens to apply on your system).  works very
nicely, no problems.

I wish I could remember who exactly it was that told *ME* this about
a year and a half ago, so I could give proper credit, but I can't.

> (man oh man I hate dos)

ahh well, that's a different subject.  :-)  if I could find a cheap
UN*X for my 386 (1.6 Meg RAM) that would still allow me to run the
mess-dos stuff I've collected over the years (w/o rebooting all the
time), I'd be switching in a heartbeat.  but that's another
newsgroup....  :-)

hope this helps.
   --jim

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From: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Is there .rc file for Elvis
Keywords: elvis
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:42:07 GMT
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.

In article <1992Sep12.172721.25198@dragon.acadiau.ca> rob@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten) writes:
>c99-aa@danube.Berkeley.EDU (c99 account) writes:
>
>>I've been using Elvis on my PC, and have been happy camper, except...
>>1. How do you do comfiguration file of any kind? (what's the name)?
>
>I couldn't figger out a way of forcing elvis to read a exrc file,
>so I kludged a vi.bat file which looks like this:
>
>elvis +"so c:\elvis\exrc" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
>
>(man oh man I hate dos)
>
>It does the trick, but, like most things in dos, it's butt-ugly.
>
>-Rob

This is my second chance to say RTFM about this, and i'll
take it. :-)

You have to set home=directory_where_elvis.rc_is,
then elvis will read a elvis.rc file. Another way, probably,
with a exinit variable. (e.g. set home=c:\vi)
(don't you love dos unixisms?)

It is very possible, according to author, that in the future
elvis will be able to read elvis.rc in the directory where
elvis is (assuming DOS 3.x or higher). It would be trivial
to do this myself, fiddling with the source, but the #@$%#!
BCC 3.0 compiler here didn't like the source code, and i
don't have time to do serious debugging.

There is an option that you can set in the main elvis.rc
that will make elvis look for an aditional elvis.rc in the
directory where you are when you invoke it (so you can have
different deffaults according to what kind of work).

						Glauber

P.S.: above answer assumes elvis 1.6. If you are using an
	earlier version, get 1.6 quick.


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Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Running shell from inside EMACS
From: S947460@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Andrew Zaitsev)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:32:55 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

I remember that when I used EMACS for Unix, I was able to spawn
a shell from inside EMACS and do whatever I wanted with screen output:
scroll,page,cut/paste, etc.
Can I do the same thing with DOS version of EMACS ?
 
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Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.misc,comp.sys.misc
From: jscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Scott)
Subject: REQUEST: Moving data from a CPT to a laptop.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:11:01 GMT

Hello out here in Net.Land....

I hope you will pardon the extensive cross-posting, but this doesn't
seem to fit in any one place, if you know of a better forum, please
let me know...

That said, here's my problem:  I am trying to retreive the data from
an ancient CPT 8515.  This is a dedicated word processor that was
manufactured circa 1985.  It takes 8inch, ss/sd disks that supposedly
hold ~120k apiece.  We wish to convert the data to some format
readable by an MS-Dos machine... as close to ASCII or WP51 as
possible.

We can transfer files from the CPT to a laptop via a serial
connection, but only in a limited fashion.  That is, we can retrieve
the data and send it, but without file breaks or file names or labels
of any sort.

What I am looking for is a way to transmit the missing information:
the file name in particular, and the extended label if possible.  Am I
trying to re-invent the wheel?  Has some kind soul already figured out
a way to do this?  

Thanks in advance for any pointers.  Please respond by e-mail, and I
will summarize (somewhere....) if there is interest....

Thanks!

James Scott
jscott@freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU -or- jscott@csn.org
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: VI - Line too Long - What can be done?
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:16:36 GMT

drdowns@bach.udel.edu (David R. Downs)
writes on comp.editors:

)  I was wondering if there is a way to edit a file which gives the "Line Too
)  Long" error message.  The file in question is my .newsrc - not a Binary,
)  etc.

This helps if you have ?rn as your newsreader. Those long .newsrc
lines are due to Xref or your explicitly marked articles etc. The
solution is to do a catchup on those groups or junk the intermediate
articles so that ?rn will do intermediate catchups. Then those lines
can be manageable. The trick is to view them using the 'L' command in
the newsgroup selection mode in ?rn.

)  I seem to remember this question coming up before, but I don't recall seeing
)  its answer.  

I think some people posted scripts for long .newsrc lines in
news.software.readers (if I am not mistaken). Bruce Becker is the
only name that I remember. :-)

)  David

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: cwong@cs.cornell.edu (Christopher Yoong-Meng Wong)
Subject: Re: What do you want in a simple editor?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:43:09 GMT

In article <862@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk (Philippe Goujard) writes:
>messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>
>>>This is why for example I choose to implement wordstar commands.
>
>>Quite honestly - how many DOS users know Wordstar commands?  Only those
>>who have been using PCs when Wordstar was still alive, that is, a
>>negligable minority.
>
>Well... I am amongst that minority :-)
>In fact editors like borland turboXXX used wordstar commands.
>Even Qedit uses wordstart command (although you can do most of it with pull
>down menus). I thought that wordstar commands were pretty standard amongst 
>ms/dos users.

IMHO, the Wordstar command set will outlive Wordstar itself. There does not
seem to be any other contendor to the title of "editor key command standard".
A look around my machine is all I need: DR Dos's editor, Borland's Turbo C++, 
some freeware editors (VDE and TPE) and even the editor in my telecommunication
program, use the Wordstar commands. It seems that every time someone writes 
an editor and needs an interface without pull-down menus etc, the Wordstar
command set is picked. Just look at the index to files in Simtel20's
pd1:<msdos.editor> archive. 

If you do not use Wordstar commands, what other alternative is there?

Do let us know when we can expect this "easy editor".

Chris



Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: VI tabstops
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: Ruben@UiB.NO
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:52:52 GMT

Paul Levy writes:

>Is there an environment variable or config file for VI to set the default
>tabstop number.  I can do it inside of VI, but it doesn't save the settings
>when I quit.  Thanks..

Try to create a file called:

$HOME/.exrc

Inside that file, put:

se ts=3

You may also want to check out the nearest VI archive.

From two of the INDEX files at the VI/EX archives around the world:

For a intro on using VI fetch one or several of these files:

ex.reference.Z      EX Reference Manual. UCB-dist. A Must.
ex.summary.Z        EX Command Summary. UCB-dist.
vi.apwh.ms.Z        VI Command & Function Reference. UCB-dist.
vi.beginers.Z       VI beginers guide.
vi.chars.Z          Apendix: character functions. UCB-dist. A Must.
vi.intro.Z          Introduction on Display Editing with VI. UCB-dist. A Must.
vi.reference.Z      VI reference. Version 8.  Maarten Litmaath. A Must. 
vi.tutor.tar.Z      An interactive tutor for VI. (Ver: 1.3) Beginers choice.


In the 'macros/' directory you may want to dig out:

exrc.ach           - "The Super .exrc File" compiled by Anthony C Howe.
exrc.brp           - A nice exrc file from Bill "Rock" Petro.
generals.2         - EXRC and Pascal. Bradford L Knowles.
jl.ex              - Some 'beginer' macros. Joel Loo Peing Ling.


In all cases you should get the INDEX files in both the 'main' and the
'macros' directory.

The VI/EX archives can be found at:

Europe:
   Main site:     alf.uib.no (129.177.30.3)
   Filearea:      pub/lpf/misc
   Peak hours:    07.00 am GMT to 03.00 pm GMT 

Japan:
   Mirror site:   utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11) 
   Filearea:      misc/vi-archive
   Peak hours:    01.00 am GMT to 09.00 am GMT

USA, Canada and Mexico: 
   Mirror site:   cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
   Filearea:      /pub/vi
   Peak hours:    None.            

Australia, NZ and the rest Down Under:
   Main site:     monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (130.194.1.106)
   Filearea:      /pub/Vi
   Peak hours:    Not relevent


For more information about the files at the archives and the archives 
itself, please read one of the FAQ for Comp.Editors.
If you are in a hurry you may fetch the INDEX file.

If you need more information, you are welcome to mail Ruben@uib.no.

\Ruben.




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     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
From: kevinl@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:24 CDT
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Elvis and :abbr
Message-ID: <4900003@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #N:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:4900003:000:328
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!kevinl    Sep 14 08:24:00 1992


	I'm having a problem with the :abbr command in elvis.  I had several
abbreviations in vi, and when I switched to elvis, the abbreviations stopped
working.  I checked, and elvis was not compiled with the NO_ABBREV flag, so
they should work.  Does anyone have any suggestions to get :abbr to work?

Your help is appreciated. 8-)

Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: Gert.Doering@ap.mchp.sni.de (Gert Doering)
Subject: Re: VI for the PC
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
Date:  7 Sep 92 14:49:49 GMT

theobald@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Allen M. Theobald) writes:

>Does anyone know anything about vi editors for the
>ibm-pc??  I'm looking for a good one (any really),
>and thought this would be the place to start.


I can only recommend "elvis 1.6", it's really great. Not 100% compatible
(has some improvements), but compiles flawlessly on Unix, MS-DOS,
Atari ST, ...

gert
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From: plevy@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: VI tabstops
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:30:39 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Is there an environment variable or config file for VI to set the default
tabstop number.  I can do it inside of VI, but it doesn't save the settings
when I quit.  Thanks..
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: crawford@mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
Subject: Help for ezedit in Unix
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:47:29 GMT

Does anyone know where I might get documentation or the help file for
ezedit?  I downloaded a HP version of the editor from uiowa.edu, but
no help or docs were included.

FYI, It looks like a nice simple, non-modal editor.

Thanks.
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