From: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Brendan's comments
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:00:31 GMT
Reply-To: rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey)
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Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI

Yes, It's Ilan userzv6z@wayne.edu.bitnet for mail.

I had written:
As a result, the 
Balfour Conference partitioned Jordan into 2 countries.  One of them was 
an independant Palestinian state and the other Israel. 

Brendan flamed:
Congratulations, Ilan!  You have won the TPM Prize for the most
innovating rewriting of history for the first quarter of 1992.

My (new) response:

Ok, I goofed in 2 areas (I was tired at the time, so sue me).
1. Not all of Jordan was split, only part of then TransJordan
2. It wasn't the Balfour conference, but a UN resolution which accepted


Jake commented to Brendan:
   most of Balfour's conclusions.
Brendan seems to have a pet project, Israel-is-Palestine.  It's a funny 
one, though.  Even Palestinean Arabs do not deny that Jordan encompasses
much of Palestine.  If Brendan hasn't seen any better re-writing of 
history on TPM in recent weeks, then perhaps he actually supports
much of the garbage produced by the Holocaust Revisionists and the 
Muslim Students Union, or whoever they were.  Or perhaps, he just
has this religious thing about Israel-is-Palestine.

My (new comment)

I don't know anything on this subject (Brendan's alleged viewpoint on Israel-
is Palestine.  So I won't comment in lieu of more comments from Brendan.

Brendan commented to Jake:

So you agree with Ilan's gaffe about the "Balfour Conference" I 
take it?  How embarrassing for you.  I think it is funny how you try 
to suggest that I support the Revisionists when you are a Revisionist 
yourself!

My (new) comment:

Brendan, take a chill pill, I wasn't attempting Revisionism, I made an
error in fact, anyone who watches Dan Quayle speak should be familiar with 
that.  As far as whether the 2 of you accuse each other of Revisionism is, I
suppose, between the 2 of you.

Mark Kaufman wrote:
(excerpt taken only)

   I was in error when I claimed that Palestine did not include any
part of Israel.  It was not as big an error as the one you continue
to make when you claim that no part of Jordan was ever Palestine. It
is regarded by most non-Israel-hating historians that what we regard
today as Jordan contains land that was once Palestine.  This part of
Jordan that was Palestine covers an area that is larger than ALL of
Israel.
   Another manner in which you toss aside historical fact is that 
the Palestinians had an opportunity to have their own state in the
region.  And they turned it down!  The United Nations Partition Plan
of 1947, the plan that created the State of Israel, also partitioned
land that was to have been a Palestinian state.  The area that was 
to be under Arab sovereignty covered an area far more vast than the
territories that are currently in dispute.  In 1948, when the United
Nations voted on the plan that would have given the world two brand
new nations, the Arabs rejected the plan, and instead cose to attack 
the new Jewish State.  Now that the Jews have developed the region,
the Arab world has changed its mind!

P.S.  Before you waste everyone's time nitpicking again, the UN
vote took place on November 29, 1947, and not 1948.  1948 was the
year that Israel declared its Independence.

My (new) response

Thank you Mark, you did establish the fact very clearly, that my original
posting was meant to state.

See 'ya

Ilan U. Woll

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