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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Indycar race at Nazareth Oct 4ths
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:33:48 GMT

Paul Miranda who likes cheese writes:
>>In short.. where can I watch the BIG Oct 4 Indycar race..
>>the whole season is up for grabs and I wanna watch it
>>what network? what time?

Chuck Fry writes:
>My IndyCar (tm) schedule says same-day tape-delay on ESPN, 9-11 PM
>Eastern time that Sunday.  Nazareth doesn't strike me as a good venue
>for Indy cars; it's an odd little scaled-up bullring that makes me
>dizzy just watching them.

Your kidding right?!  An IndyCar on a bullring makes me salivate, twitch,
and whimper like a puppy who's bone was just taken away.  Those tracks
are pure racing, wall-to-wall action from the green to the checkered,
and any other cliche you can put in here.....

Rob U, bury my heart in Phoenix, Milwaukee, Nazareth, etc......
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From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: Martinsville
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:02:19 GMT

More stuff from MRM radio:
	Morgan and Marlin got together about lap 22*, Morgan got stuck in the "grass"
		and lost a lap
At the restart:
	Brett started first but Rusty Wallace got around him in a lap, followed by
	Geoff Bodine, Alan K., Dick Trickle, Davey Allison, Sterling Marlin, Wally D.

	Martin and K. Petty tried to get their laps back, but no go so far.  They are
	about 3 or 4 on the track.

It's been over a year since Bill Elliot was not around at the finish, looks like the
law of averages just caught up.  

                                      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
   
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From: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: IndyCar: Dennis Vitolo at Mid-Ohio and Marlboro Challenge field
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:49:31 GMT


For those who were curious, Dennis Vitolo was driving a Derrick Walker car at 
Mid-Ohio, according to On Track.  There's even a photo of the two Mackenzie 
Lolas amidst the classified ads (don't you love the way On Track uses extra 
space to sneak in a few extra photos instead of silly ads hyping the 
effectiveness of their advertising?).

Roberto Guerrero has been unable to secure a ride for the Marlboro Challenge 
all-star race set for this Saturday, Oct. 3.

Raul Boesel has been awarded the tenth slot on the basis of championship 
points and higher finishes than Eddie Cheever, who was tied with Boesel in 
points.

Though I haven't read it, I presume this means that John Andretti will also
be in the race, since he has more points than Boesel.

Starting from the pole will be Michael Andretti, on the basis of a separate
points system rewarding only  poles and first-place finishes.  The others (in 
no particular order):  Emerson Fittipaldi, Al Unser Jr., Bobby Rahal, Danny 
Sullivan, Scott Goodyear, Mario Andretti, and Paul Tracy.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Keywords: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:17:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct5.211711.22652
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.101534.18562@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>I saw the end of an interview with Max Mosely on Sky News (european news
>channel) who was commenting on Nigel Mansells move to Indycar. He said
>that he couldn't see why Mansell would want to move to Indycar, as compared
>to F1 it is technically backward and ( I forget his exact words) and does not
>have such close racing as F1, it being more comparable to F3000 ( and therefore
>a step down from F1). He compared the move with a star football player moving
>from a premier league club to a third, or at very best, a second division
>club.

I frankly cannot understand the cloying arrogance displayed by the F1     
worshipers in their beliefs about the role of technology in racing.  Clearly,
sports have more to do with sociology than technology and in this regard,
the Formula 1 crowd fails miserably.  If someone needs enlightenment, it's
F1, NOT IndyCar racing.  I think that the IndyCar folks have a type that is
more suitable to close racing and fan interest than F1.  As far as I'm
concerned, you can have your snotty nosed, closed minded twits; I'll go to
an IndyCar race ANY day, because at least I can shake the driver's hand and 
have an intelligent conversation.  It is a much more pleasant experience for
the fan, and ultimately, THE FANS PAY THE BILLS.  I've gone to both race types
in the same city on successive years and the IndyCar folks went out of their
way to make drivers, team managers, and others available to the fans for 
close contact.  The F1 guys just whined about how poor the facility was and
generally downgraded the city.  You can take F1 and shove it until the 
organizers and movers are willing to act like real human beings.
-- 
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Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
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From: ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg)
Subject: Estoril Gossip- WARNING!! posible spoilers ahead.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:09:17 GMT


      Well,that was a pretty entertaining race.....We were fortunate to
have it live this morning on TSN,and since ESPN wasn't broadcasting live we
got the bonus of listening to the Murray and James show from the BBC feed.
They blow ESPN away!

      Anyhow,here is some of the latest gossip,straight from the horse's
mouth James Hunt himself. First off,confirmed during the weekend is
Prost's arrival with Williams.He will be in estoril for the FOCA tests on
tuesday,shaking down the interim FW14-15.

      This little bit of news apparantly didn't agree with Senna who was
livid with envy and desperation at not being able to sinch a williams
ride.He openly called Prost a coward for not wanting him on the same team.
Hunt also added that Mansell had only himself to blame for losing his ride
and pretty much called him a coward as well,although he frased much
nicer,for not wanting to prove to the racing world he was better than
Prost.Hunt also said that Mansell was clearly taking a step downward by
moving to indy cars.

     In the face of this situation, Senna has announced that he will be
back regardless of team to show Prost just who is number 1.As well tag is
 interested in buying out Guy Ligier and selling the Renueult contract to
McLaren.Of course these are the B engines,but in the hands of Ron Dennis,i
am sure will be much more competitive than Ligier.TAG will keep the Ligier
team alive if they can find another engine,if not TAG will liquidate the
team,no doubt at a healthy profit!

      Prost has said he wants Ricardo Patrese as teammate,so it looks like
he will be back with Williams afterall.They may buy his Benneton contract
out.This would leave us with Senna-Andretti at McLaren,Prost-Patrese at
Williams,Berger-Alesi at Ferrari and Schumaker at Benneton.The second seat
open,this would reopen the door for Al Jr.REmember his contacts are very
good with Bennetton.Of Course at this point this all conjecture.

      And how about that Patrese accident,10 years ago a similar accident
claimed the life of maybe the fastest driver of all time,Gilles
Villenueve,in the words of the cigarette commercial,you've come a long way
baby!-I mean the formula one chasis and safety regulations,they definately
saved his life,much less his legs.well that's it!
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:07:16 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu writes:

>In 87 Piquet must have outdriven him (don't remember anymore, but use
>same reasoning as for this year's comparison with Patrese)

Piquet scored more points than Mansell. Whether that is the same
as "outdriven" is debatable.  Its certainly been debated a lot!

>If Mansell had dropped out of all races, Patrese would win the WC hands
>down, so yes, the car had a lot to do with it (I doubt Mansell would
>deny that).

Speaking as someone who put a little money on Patrese to win this
years WC at 8:1, I'm not so sure.  It was an each way bet, so I'll
get my money back with enough left over for a beer if he comes 2nd
or 3rd.  The trouble is that both Senna and Schumacher are getting
a little too close for comfort.  If Patrese comes fourth, in the 
final standings, he's *not* going to be my favourite driver !

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Racin' Restaurants
Organization: Motorola
Date: 2 Oct 1992 20:16:06 CDT

I saw a couple of POSTS here about the Race Rock Motor City Diner and figured
I'd add my 2c worth.  While we're talking about "Racin' Restaurants" I can
recommend to visitors to Charlotte Motor Speedway (after all the Mello Yello
500 is REAL close 8^) ) that they check out the Sandwich Construction Co.
on Highway 49.  It's about 3/4 mile south of Harris Boulevard on the
southbound side of 49.

It's a sports bar and restaurant decorated with sheetmetal from about every
wrecked Winston Cup and Busch car in the area, as well as autographed
Sam Bass lithographs and it is often frequented by many drivers and crew
members from the local NASCAR teams.  During a recent "business" trip to
Charlotte,  I met Benny Parsons and his wife on Sunday and the next day
I saw Jeff Gordon chowing down there!

The food is good and the race motif includes hoods, trunk lids and whole
sides of cars (Goodwrench 3, Folgers 6, Mello Yello 42, Tide 17, etc)!
And you never know who you'll meet there, especially during race weeks! 8^)

Craig Witkowski,  CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Portuguese GP - Autodrome's name
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:01:06 GMT



   In article <1992Oct1.145345.4607@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>
   cymru@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (mark.williams) writes:

   A question for netland - the circuit used to be called "Autodromo do
   Estoril" but is now "Autodromo Fernanda Pires da Silva".
   Who is this person ?

Estoril is a nearby city (actually it is no quite a city legally, but
anyway).  The autodrome was always called Estoril because of Estoril
being a tourist place (beach, casino, hotels and all) nearby and
probably because the Estoril business had the most to gain by the
Autodrome being there (it is actually almost as close to Cascais which
is a city and a municipality).

Anyway, the owners of the Autodrome were a company called Grao-Para'
(I believe they have connections to Brasil in some way; probably
originate from there).  From what I recall Grao-Para' bought much of
the area around the autodrome.  At the time they had plans for hotels,
casinos, condo's, an autodrome, whatever (they own Sintra-Estoril the
hotel right next to the Autodrome).  Some say the autodrome was just a
smoke screen to get the local government to let them built their
stuff, which never happened (their plans were always vetoed because of
environmental concerns having to due with the proximity of the Serra
de Sintra, Sintra being the most beautiful village in the world
according to Lord Byron and myself, if I may say so :-).

Anyway, to make a long story short, Fernanda Pires da Silva was for
many, many years the administrator of Grao-Para' and handled the
Autodromos' business and its interactions with the government.  I
think she was the one who eventually reached an agreement about the
future of the complex.  I do not know what the agreement was, though
(been away too darnt long :-(.

-Miguel


BTW, note the 'u' in Portuguese :-).
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From: potamian@apollo.HP.COM (Spyros Potamianos)
Subject: Re: RE Desmo Debut
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:25:24 GMT
Reply-To: potamian@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <78560016@teecs.UUCP>, smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith) writes:
	[ ...stuff about desmodromic valve history deleted... ]
|> A desmodromic valve is mechanically forced up and down which means that
|> valve float can not occur. BTW desmodromic is an English corruption of
|> the French word desmodromique which means 'to force to follow a contour'.
|> 
|> Bob.

National pride forces me to correct you!! :-) :-) :-)
The word is Greek ("desmodromikos"), and it's a combination of the
words:
	"desmios" = forced, tied
	"dromos"  = road, path

BTW, pardon my ignorance but how do desmodromic valves work?
(sorry if this has already been discussed, but I have missed the first
articles on this subject)

Spyros Potamianos
potamian@hpl.hp.com
From: fosterr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Buick out of IndyCar?
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:49:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvG3q2.JBr
Organization: Indiana University

In article <e55XRB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP> dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@ab.com (daniel lance herrick) writes:
>
>Has a Buick with the extra boost ever finished an Indy 500?  I thought
>the Buick engine was a qualifying engine; that the boost was guaranteed
>to break the engine long before it completes 500 miles.
>

l believe Al Unser, Sr. finished third in this year's race, driving a
Menard's Lola/Buick. He may have been a lap down (anybody got the
official stats handy?), but he was running at the finish.

Ray Foster
Indiana University
Bloomington IN USA
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: *** Design Logic Faults ***
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:01:09 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <6842@transfer.stratus.com> pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan) writes:
>Having the fan run when the engine is off (but hot) doesn't do too much  
>good because it cools the water in the radiator, but the water pump is not  
>operating so the only way for the engine to cool is via convection.

Actually, this is untrue, for the very reasons you mention :-) When the
water in the radiator is hotter than the ambient temperature, a
convection roll forms, forcing the water to flow (albeit at a fairly
slow rate) through the engine. The greater the difference between the
water and ambient temperatures, the faster the flow.

A number of early cars, and a few post-WWII European cars used this
"thermo-siphon" effect as the sole means of cooling. No water pump
was used. I'm not sure, but I think the Model T didn't have a water
pump, for instance.
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From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Why Nigel's Faster
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:27:42 GMT

Interesting to hear Nigel say he's faster than Patresse because Patresse's  
driving style causes him to use more fuel and thus carry more weight...
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From: jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman)
Subject: Denny Hulme
Keywords: baBathurst
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:31:32 GMT

Hi there
I haven't seen it yet , but:
Denny Hulme, 1967 F1 WC, died at Bathurst Hospital Sunday 4 Oct. It appears that
he suffered aheart attack either before a small impact with a track wall, or as
a result of the impact. The car bounced lightly off the wall, ran across the 
track and came to rest fairly quickly close to the other side wall. The way it
stopped so quickly and smoothly inclines me to think that there was some input
from DH at the end, but we will never know now. It was reported that he was 
taken away unconsious, and that implies atill alive, but was announced gone
shortly after arrival at the hospital. His daughter was with him at the end.
He was 56. 
All in all as good a way to go for a racer, if it has to happen. Curious that
nobody seems to have contacted Jack Brabham for comment yet (Mon AM papers).
jp
From: jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:54:22 GMT
Organization: Eastern & Ohio Railroad Company
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63154.student.cwru.edu

In article <adams.717861596@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>
>>"I think that I shall never see,
>>A driver as great as Number 3!"
>
>Oh?  The man with 3 LAST place finishes so far this year?   The guy with a
>real good chance of not finishing in the top-ten in points?
>
>Yeah, yeah, 5 championships...but the King has seven...and 4 times as many
>wins...

True, but the King has also been around a little longer too.....

So Ironhead has a had a bad season.....give him time........

Later,
-Jer
--
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a.k.a. Jermaster       new party.....a third party......A WILD PARTY!!"
(jwj2@po.cwru.edu)                                          --Alice Cooper
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:16:42 GMT


When people point out how much more technologically advanced F1 is in 
comparison to IndyCar/CART, a national series with all its rules designed to 
limit expenses and keep competition close, I think of this:

F1 has outlawed ground effects of the type seen in IndyCar.  They are viewed 
as dangerous by FISA.

F1 eliminated turbocharged engines from their formula.  At the time, an F1 
big-wig said that CART would soon see the light and also eliminate 
turbochargers, because they tend to drive up costs.  IndyCar teams continue to 
use turbochargers and I don't hear anyone complaining about the costs vs. non-
turbo engines.  (Perhaps the big-wig didn't understand the rather mild amount 
of turbo used in CART when compared to the monstrous amounts used in F1.)

F1 has in recent history changed rules midway through a season in order to 
make closer competition.  I can't remember IndyCar/CART doing anything on the 
scale of those rules changes during a season in progress, at least not in 
recent history.  F1 almost seems like NASCAR in this regard, IMHO.

Okay, yes, I know:  IndyCars don't allow active suspension, semi-auto 
gearboxes and lots of other things F1 has.  I'm not saying that IndyCars are 
better than F1--I'm just saying that they are not clearly inferior in *all*
respects, as some seem to insist.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: IndyCar Challenge Results
Summary: SPOILERS
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:41:42 GMT


Note:  these are the results of the as yet unbroadcasted Marlboro IndyCar 
Challenge all-star race.  These are *not* the results of the Bosch Spark
Plug IndyCar Grand Prix.

SPOILERS

                     Marlboro IndyCar Challenge Results
                           Nazareth, Pennsylvania

 1.  (3) Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske 92-Chevrolet/B), 100 laps, 156.127 mph
 2.  (1) Michael Andretti (Lola T92-Ford/Cosworth XB), 100
 3.  (8) Paul Tracy (Penske 92-Chevrolet/B), 99
 4.  (5) Scott Goodyear (Lola T91-Chevrolet/A), 99
 5. (10) Raul Boesel (Lola T92-Chevrolet/A), 99
 6.  (2) Bobby Rahal (Lola T92-Chevrolet/A), 99
 7.  (9) John Andretti (Lola T92-Chevrolet/A), 99
 8.  (4) Al Unser, Jr. (Galmer G92-Chevrolet/A), 65 (crash)
 9.  (7) Mario Andretti (Lola T92-Ford/Cosworth XB), 53 (engine failure)
10.  (6) Danny Sullivan (Galmer G92-Chevrolet/A), 11 (engine failure)

Led most laps:  Bobby Rahal
Time:  38:25.816
Margin of Victory:  10.595s

Non-points event.

Emerson Fittipaldi benefitted from stop-and-go penalties assessed against both 
Bobby Rahal and Michael Andretti.

Is Scott Goodyear really still driving a '91 Lola?  There were conflicting
reports of what he was in at Mid-Ohio.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:36:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92277.173649JAP8
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

In article <390@rehab1.UUCP>, dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) says:

>  Just got word last night that its offical! McDonalds will be the sponser
> of Junior Johnsons 2nd car in 1993. The #27 (yes Rusty's old number ;-)
> will be driven by Hut Stricklin! Rumors have the #22 staying with Maxwell
> House and moving to a new team driven by Bobby Labonte.

> -Dan
>--
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>  rehab1!dans@cbmvax.commodore.com -OR- {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!rehab1!dans

I was given to understand that the number stayed with the *owner*, not the
driver or anyone else...that's why when Bill Elliott joined Junior's team, he
did not keep #9.  So, I think that #11 and #22 are still going to be Junior's
cars next year, not #11 and #27.

Cheers,
Jean aka Chainsaw .sig-less
** Come on, Bill!  Beat that young pup Davey! **