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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Ghosts
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.173816.27755@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>AREN'T dead?
(Stuff Deleted)
>
Robert Writes:
>Both are basically examples of how people can fit events and memories
>into conventional folk beliefs about ghosts.  This is well known to
>anthropologists, and is done by people in all cultures throughout
>history.  What is paranormal about this?
>
>|> >We also have an inability to determine fact from fiction. We can take
>|> >inteligent guesses, but we can never know anything.
>|> >
>|> True.
>|> Phil
>The game, of course, is to be a sure as is possible.
>
>-- 
>  Robert E. McGrath
>  Urbana Illinois
>  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu

Why are you so quick to dismiss things Robert?  Does there have to be a
simple solution for everything?  Does everything have to be cut and dry?
Whatever happened to open your mind and learn from experience?  If you've
never witnessed a phenomena, how can you be so sure they're not out there?
Just because you haven't does that mean everybody hasn't?

Maybe it's true, the sceptic may close their eyes along with their mind.

	-Casey

Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:30:56 -0400 
From: Christopher John Demlein <cd2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Internal energy, chi, aura, "the force"

Has anyone had any experinece with internal energy?  I am interested in
any stories or information any one has to share or tell.  I am currently
very interested in trying to cultivate and enhance my own energy,
although sometimes i become skeptical of its existence at all.  I would
appreciate any info anyone has.  I will try to read messages on the
b-board, and I always read my own mail mail .

thanks again, 
Chris,
cd2b @andrew.cmu.edu
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Khirlian Effects Assistance needed.
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:11:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


  Please post on the net as well. I am very interested in comparing
kirlian auras with those that some people I know can see.
 Thanx


Robert T. Warfield@dartmouth.edu
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From: sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Paranormal Investigations???
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:11:43 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech

Ok.  I know this may be a silly sounding subject line, but all skepticism
aside--

There is a place near me in which people have been having paranormal
experiences.  I have talked to about 15 people who have had weird experiences
or feelings about the place.  

I have always been a bit skeptical about the existance of ghosts or spirits,
but I am not ready to rule out their existance either.  I am interested in 
going to this place to experience it for myself and put my findings down
in a paper (pro or con).  

This might sound rather idiotic, but if there was a possibility of getting
some tangble evidence of this activity, what should I bring with me to 
record this evidence if there is any?


Shawn Clever
sclever@jupiter.nmt.edu


PS.  I am quite serious about this, so please--- all flames and uniformed
replies to dev/null.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology
From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Organization: Citicorp+TTI
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:27:40 GMT

I simply MUST have the Jelly Recipies of Nostradamus!

---------

A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the
facts of the case.

Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to
72027.3210@compuserve.com.  Ain't UNIX grand?
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Experiments Wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:05:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BuE2oG.J8I@cs.psu.edu > cole@gaff.physci.psu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
 >In article <kdawson.25.715616477@AFIT.AF.MIL> kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON) writes:
 >>Hello "ALL"
 >>
 >>      I'm proposing a night out for my group over Halloween that would 
 >>include a trip to a cemetery. Once there I would like to set up some 
 >>experiments that would be evaluated the next day. 
 >>
 >>    Some ideas are...
 >>      Camera (iris open) in a light box.
 >>      Camera Long -exposure iris down.
 >>      Tape recorder, no mics or inputs.
 >>      
 >>Any other suggestions?
 >>
 >>Kevin Dawson
 >
 >	Assuming such an experiment is viable, why a cemetary and why on
 >halloween?  A book that may interest you is called "The Dead are Alive"
 >by Harold Sherman who claims to be able to pick up spirit voices on tape
 >and explains how anyone can do it.  He claims, based on personal experience
 >through his communications,that the majority of the dead leave the physical
 >plane and are beyond our reach.  Some however, remain "earthbound" and these
 >are the ones we can contact.  These entities, according to him, are stuck
 >in our plane of existence because either they do not realize they are dead,
 >or because they are unwilling to give up their physical attachments.  They
 >are typically found in the houses they inhabited in life and may resent
 >intrusions of new families which would give rise to your classic hauntings.
 >
 >	If Sherman is on the level and his recordings genuine, then the 
 >experiment you describe would probably be a waste of time even if spirits
 >frequented your cemetary.  According to him, it takes many attempts on the
 >part of the experimenter before he will be successfull.  Presumably it is
 >not the equipment alone which records the sounds but rather some interaction
 >of the experimenter and the equipment.  Somehow, one becomes "tuned" to the
 >spirits through successive trials.  In fact, Sherman claims that after much
 >experience, he became able to communicate directly with "earthbound" spirits
 >though the mind without the aid of the recorder.

	I recall reading abook by Fuller called "The ghost of 29 MHz"
where he clains to have a "Radio" which allows him to converse with
spirits. I have heard of a project called Spiricom, which was to develop
a Television on which spirits could be seen and heard, an probably
interacted with. 

	Anyone have any further details?
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol
From: Beverly Taylor <BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Matrix III Review
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.193852.21152@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Free
Radical, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu writes:
>>I SECOND THAT!   MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE
>>OUR OWN REALITY.  
>
>Beverly - I sorta wish your reality included lowercase letters.  All
>this shouting is annoying.
>
>	RA
>
>rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu

RA -- My apologies.  I did not mean to shout.  I'm still learning the
etiquette on usenet.  I realize that now that capitals denote an emphasis
that I was not intending to make.  I was trying to make my response
readable after all the other text.  Patience, I'm learning.

-- Bev
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Future People
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:42:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.024915.9458@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
|> 
|> How do we KNOW that there aren't human beings from the future mingling with
|> us, having learned our customs and habits enough to blend in, undetected,
|> but who know the future of the world and their place in it, and who have
|> powers and abilities about which we can only dream.
|> 
|> And how do you know that such people aren't your neighbors, your friends, your
|> tax preparer, Dan Rather...
|> 
|> Just food for thought.
|> 
|> 
|> John
|> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We don't.  So what?

Do you think they are?  If so, why should I believe so?  If not, why do 
you raise the issue?  This is pretty a routine fantasy, and hardly
exciting anymore.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky alt.paranormal:2264 alt.conspiracy:10587 alt.alien.visitors:6601 alt.mindcontrol:123
From: BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU (Beverly Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: Matrix III Review
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:29:29 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <25782@castle.ed.ac.uk> Chris Malcolm, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk
writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org
(Alex 
>Alexander) writes:
>
>>MATRIX III: THE PSYCHO-SOCIAL CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND ELECTRONIC
>>            MANIPULATION OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
>
>>If you live in this society today this book is a must-have item.
>
>Sounds very nasty. Am I glad that not only do I not live in that
>society, but I don't even live in that universe!
>-- 
>Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
>Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
>5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205

I SECOND THAT!   MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE
OUR OWN REALITY.  WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT ISSUE, I DO
NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FEAR.  AT THE SAME TIME, I AM NOT A "BURY MY HEAD
IN THE SAND" TYPE OF PERSON.  BY PERPETUATING THAT KIND OF FEAR AND DREAD
ABOUT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN, WE CREATE THE VERY WORLD WE SO DESPARATELY
FEAR.
Xref: sparky alt.paranormal:2271 sci.skeptic:16384 alt.astrology:1673
From: as_radfo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (AS Radford)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
Keywords: Nostradamus, Maillot rouge
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:42:22 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

In article <1992Sep12.014030.26619@telesciences.com> msavasti@telesciences.com (Michael Savastio) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep3.142519.21745@cs.ucf.edu> long@next1.acme.ucf.edu (Richard Long) writes:
>> [...]                            Nostradamus' "Seventy-three years and  
>>seven months" in quatrain B.44 may mean the duration of the communistic  
>>regime in Russia.  [...]
>> [...]                                       What does the original  
>>quatrain say?
>
>
>Here is the quatrain of Nostradamus which foretells the fall of
>communism:
>
>Original French:
>
>   Nous sommes ici, mais ou sont tes amis, alice
>   La bas, sur l'herbe
>   Qui est le garcon en maillot rouge
>   C'est guy, mon cousin.  Et le garcon sous l'arbre est son compain.
>
>My Translation:
>
>   A man with a map on his forehead shall rise and fall
>   Once a king, now he waits in line for toilet paper and chicken feet
>   The old man who rides the great eagle called it the evil empire
>   Three-score and thirteen years, and now bleeding-heart liberals
>      are calling it the same.
>

This 'translation' is crap if my schoolboy French is still reliable -
it bears no resemblance in mening to the alleged original - IS it an
original, by the way?

>You'll have to forgive the lack of meter in my translation.  I believe
>it is more important to capture the author's intent 

???

>than to make it
>sound nice.
>
>As you can see, this quatrain (along with every other one written by
>Nostradamus) leaves a lot of room for speculation.  

Not 'arf!




-- 
  Arthur Radford
  University of the West of England      -------------------------------
  BRISTOL, BS16 1QY, UK                	      Esperanto parolata
  as_radfo@uk.ac.brispoly.csd            -------------------------------
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 22:05:03 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
 <92257.122510RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <92257.125941RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>

i thought i posted this before, but apparently it didn't work, so i'll do it
again.

i went out and bought myself a french-english dictionary.  how many of you
true believers did the same? you can get one for about five bucks.  go ahead.
see for yourself.

here is my translation, with the dictionary aiding my meager french, of

     nous sommes ici, mais ou sont tes amis, alice
     la-bas, sur l'herbe
     qui est le garcon en maillot rouge
     c'est guy, mon cousin.  et le garcon sous l'arbre est son compain.

     we are here, but where are your friends, alice?
     down there, on the grass.
     who is the boy in red tights?
     it's guy, my cousin.  and the boy under the tree is his companion.

as you can see, there is no man with a map on his forehead, no one rising,
no one falling, nobody who was once a king, no one waiting in line, no
toilet paper, no chicken feet, no old man, nobody riding anything, let alone
a great eagle, no one calling anything an evil empire, no amount of years,
let alone three-score and thirteen, and of course, no bleeding-heart
liberals.

i'm honestly curious: what made you so stupid that you would post the
original french of what you know was a blatant mistranslation? i'm also
curious as to why you would want to just plain flat-out lie in order to
back up nostradamus?  if you honestly believe in nostradamus, then why
put yourself in such a position of using obvious falsities to claim that
nostradamus saw the future?  if you don't believe in nostradamus, then
why back him up in the first place?

as for anyone who still thinks the actual translation includes things about
toilet paper and old men riding great eagles, fine.  i'm not asking you
to believe me.  i'm just asking you to go buy a dictionary, or to ask your
nearest french teacher to translate the quatrain into english for you,
or to send e-mail to someone in quebec asking to translate the french into
english.

i still can't get over how flat-out stupid it is to include the original
of a blatant mistranslation.

you know, mistranslations are how nostradamus got his reputation in the first
place, although most of them were not as idiotic as the one we just
witnessed.  for example, the two most famous things about nostradamus are that
he supposedly predicted napolean and hitler.  however, the quatrain about
napolean would be ambiguous if not for the first line, commonly translated as
"the captive prince, conquered, to elba".  the mention of elba right away
screams "napolean!"  however, in the original french, the quatrain says,
"aux itales," which means, "to italy," not "to elba."  as for the hitler thing,
it's commonly known that he said "hister," not "hitler," and true believers
say "close enough."  however, "hister" is the name of the lower danube, and
nostradamus often uses the name to refer to a river.

to quote cecil adams, "fast shuffles like this do wonders for a guy's
reputation."
From: v085r6qm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: what a joke!
Keywords: not quite
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>not close minded.  I made my decision of being a 'skeptic' after years of 
>trying to believe in such nonsense.  I have always wanted to think that some
>of the stuff was true, but I definitely know better now.  Thanks to rational
>thinking, I can tell the difference between what is real and what
>isn't real, unlike a lot of people.

For some reason, Brandon,you seem to think that your vast
pool of knowledge "indicates" that you are not closed 
minded. I find it amusing that you deign(sp?) to 
speak of what is "real" and what you cannot perceive,
(otherwise known as "unreal,") thanks to YOUR rational
thinking...Anyone who is arrogant enough to try to
annihilate someone else's belief system, because he
cannot perceive what they do,and arrogant enough to
think that he knows "what's best" should perhaps
look at WHY there ARE differences in perceptions.
Could it be that ONLY YOU and people like you know
what the facts REALLY are?Tell me, do all of you
agree? That kind of intrusive attitude does not
prove that you are even remotely open minded.Why
are you so defensive? Use your intelligence instead
of your knowledge,you may find something that has
been there all the time.


                            ERIN



FINALLY, THE QUESTIONS OF THE ANCIENTS, METAPHYSICISTS,
QUANTUM PHYSICISTS, PHILOSOPHERS, AND ALL OTHERS
THAT STRIVE TO KNOW THE UNKNOWN CAN BE SATIATED!!!!
  BRANDON HAS IT ALL! (even though he says he wishes
there were more).He's open minded yet his open ended
universe has no room for other human beings with there
(their) own ideas of what "could be." Is there ration-
ality in thrusting your views at the views of others
in hopes of monopolizing the market for true under-
standing, or is this attitude what causes conflict
and eventually violence?


                         Friend of Erin

P.S. I agree, your life probably isn't very interesting.
>  
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Future People
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:14:27 GMT

In <1992Sep10.213356.27565@ncsu.edu> echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.024915.9458@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>>
>>How do we KNOW that there aren't human beings from the future mingling with
>>us, having learned our customs and habits enough to blend in, undetected,
>>but who know the future of the world and their place in it, and who have
>>powers and abilities about which we can only dream.
>>
>>And how do you know that such people aren't your neighbors, your friends, your
>>tax preparer, Dan Rather...
>>
>>Just food for thought.

>This reminds me of an thought-provoking quote I saw in some other newsgroup.
>Sorry I don't know the original author...

>"Time travel must be impossible.  If it were possible somebody
>would have come from the future to tell us."

>Of course, this quote assumes that the person from the future
>would be willing to contact us.  I liked the quote, though.

>>
>>
>>John
>>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>-- 
>--------------------
>Craig Hyatt
>NCSU@Raleigh, NC USA

If time travel were possible, could you go back in time and prevent your 
parents from meeting? 

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol
Subject: Re: Matrix III Review
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:38:52 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep13.162929.21643@ecst.csuchico.edu>
BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU (Beverly Taylor) writes: 
[...]
>I SECOND THAT!   MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE
>OUR OWN REALITY.  

Beverly - I sorta wish your reality included lowercase letters.  All
this shouting is annoying.

	RA

rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu
--------------------------
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of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new
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ask for one.
Xref: sparky alt.paranormal:2277 sci.skeptic:16443 alt.astrology:1686
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:56:21 EDT
From: Deborah R. Beriro <DB8727A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
 <1992Sep14.094222.3782@csd.brispoly.ac.uk>

I'm fluent in french and whoever translated the thing about a map on a man's he
ad is obviously reading the wrong language.  The french version talks about cou
sins in bathing suits playing on the grass and under trees.  You obviously need
 to go back to french 101
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Paranormal Investigations???
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.051143.11630@nmt.edu>, sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) writes:
|> Ok.  I know this may be a silly sounding subject line, but all skepticism
|> aside--
|> 
|> There is a place near me in which people have been having paranormal
|> experiences.  I have talked to about 15 people who have had weird experiences
|> or feelings about the place.  
|> 
|> I have always been a bit skeptical about the existance of ghosts or spirits,
|> but I am not ready to rule out their existance either.  I am interested in 
|> going to this place to experience it for myself and put my findings down
|> in a paper (pro or con).  
|> 
|> This might sound rather idiotic, but if there was a possibility of getting
|> some tangble evidence of this activity, what should I bring with me to 
|> record this evidence if there is any?

Just what exactly is it that these 15 people have reported?  I've had
plenty of "weird experiences" but they were usually done by people
with weird ideas.  It's pretty difficult how to prepare for unspecified
"wierdness".

For instance, if the reports are that things have been seen, you need
a camera.  If the reports are of noises, you need a tape recorder.  If
the experiences are "feelings", then you have to try to understand
the psychology of the people making the statements, so as to try
to fathom what of what they experienced was "out there" and what
was "inside" their own experience.

Are you going alone or with some of the friends who expect some particular
effects?  If you go with people who are determined to "show you" something,
the situation is entirely different than if you go by yourself.

In other words, without further info, it is difficult to know how to
prepare or what will be needed.

REMcG

  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal