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From: LS45 <LS45@UNB.CA>
Subject: BRAG
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:45:44 GMT

Charm, my in-laws Sheltie, got his CD this weekend, with scores of
189, 194, and 194.5, and taking second three times.
Just had to tell somebody,
DMS

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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:31:56 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul30.154805.21304@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie):
> In article <1992Jul29.205029.6592@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
> 
>>OK, I'll bite ;-{), how does one train a rattlesnake when and who
>>to bite?  Can you use Copperheads, Water Mocasins (sp?) or Coral
>>Snakes (or foreign ones for that matter)? 
> 
> On the choice of snakes. Rattlers frequently (but not always) rattle when
> disturbed. The first time I heard one go off, I *knew* what it was, and I
> think most people would. So you get two deterrents in one snake; with any
> luck, the snake never has to strike. With a little more luck, no-one breaks
> in.
>

I am under the impression that the way one usually finds rattlers
by stepping on them, ergo, no rattle.
 
> 
> Another consideration is the liability, even though it is less in many
> States than in the Northeast. Rattler bites are rarely fatal (especially
> from the smaller sub-species), but medical treatment is required. That
> would mean that the thief survives but is caught - exactly what you want
> from a liability standpoint. This is even more true of copperheads, but
> copperheads have short fangs that won't go through much. Cottonmouths
> are a little more deadly. With coral snakes, the fatality rate goes up
> considerably.
>

Hmmm, from a strictly logical point of view, it may be better to
have a dead burglar, although I suspect one will get sued either
way.
 
> Of course, you might just put up a sign and skip the actual snake.
> 

Sounds like a good choice to me, but I don't much like poisonous
snakes.


What would be ideal is to scare the !@#$%^& so badly that he'll
never come back, if that's possible ;-{).
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Though all the world betrays thee.
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From: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Subject: Re: Time enough for a dog?
Reply-To: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:29:53 GMT

I work long hours, and often go right from work to activities in
the evening.  My little bundle of sweetness, a 5# Pomeranian
named Louisa, does extremely well on her own in my apartment,
which is about 700 square feet.  Louisa is fully paper trained,
and a single bowl of food and water can last her 24 hours (or
more) no problem.  

Whether I'm out for 5 minutes taking out garbage, or away for
18 hours, she is always overjoyed when I get home.  When I
have time - generally on weekends, she gets long walks, and
her weekly bath.  Her teeth and fur are brushed everyday.
I do let her sleep on my bed, and I think this might have
helped her become so well adjusted.  There are always a
few tears as I put on my shoes in the morning - she knows
that soon Dad will be heading out, but there is no barking
during the day.

One of the really neat things is what happens when we are
going to go (together!) for a car ride.  I tell Louisa to
go to the car.  In about 5 seconds, she dashes out the door,
and down to my car in the carport.  (How she can tell it
apart from the others I don't know.)  There, she sits
by the driver's door and waits for me to get down there
and open the car for her.

So, as long as you can give the dog some exercise, some
care, and some love, I cannot see normal working hours
as a barrier to getting a dog.  Go for it!

Scott

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From: U14457@uicvm.uic.edu (Kathleen S. Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: The Great Protector !!
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:31:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Annie the wonder dog did something similar the other day.  I was
in the basement looking through some boxes and all of a sudden she
started barking at the wall.  I was looking for bugs or something else,
but couldn't figure out what she was barking at.  She just kept at it
and then i moved the tent that was on top of some of the boxes and she
redirected her barking at it.  Once I figured it out, I let her sniff
it and she stopped.  She can be such a silly puppy at times.
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From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:48:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.205029.6592@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:

>OK, I'll bite ;-{), how does one train a rattlesnake when and who
>to bite?  Can you use Copperheads, Water Mocasins (sp?) or Coral
>Snakes (or foreign ones for that matter)? 

You don't train them. The whole scheme depended on either the thief seeing
or hearing the snake and rapidly exiting the scene or on would-be thieves
knowing about it and deciding not to break in in the first place. As is the
case with dogs, they are usually used in addition to regular burglar alarms.

On the choice of snakes. Rattlers frequently (but not always) rattle when
disturbed. The first time I heard one go off, I *knew* what it was, and I
think most people would. So you get two deterrents in one snake; with any
luck, the snake never has to strike. With a little more luck, no-one breaks
in.

Also, remember that you have to be able to catch your little beasties and
pen them up when you don't want them running loose. Rattlers are docile,
as vipers go. Copperheads, on the other hand, frequently stake out a
territory and strike anything that gets close. So do big cottonmouths. I
have had no personal experience with coral snakes, but I hear that they're
quite docile. They're small, though, and would be hard to find.

Another consideration is the liability, even though it is less in many
States than in the Northeast. Rattler bites are rarely fatal (especially
from the smaller sub-species), but medical treatment is required. That
would mean that the thief survives but is caught - exactly what you want
from a liability standpoint. This is even more true of copperheads, but
copperheads have short fangs that won't go through much. Cottonmouths
are a little more deadly. With coral snakes, the fatality rate goes up
considerably.

In short, the rattler is the best choice.

Of course, you might just put up a sign and skip the actual snake.

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From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: UPDATE on old story about co-worker's dog
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:09:02 GMT

	Some of you may remember that around last Christmas I posted about
a very frustrating situation.  A co-worker had just gotten a brittny/
retriever mix dog that she was keeping outside only and that was getting
very little attention.  She has two small children, and they didn't like
the dog because "it jumps on them".  She said that the only time anyone in
the family interacted with the dog was when they went out to fill the food
dish.  Well, on the recommendation of the net I got her the Monk's first book
as a Christmas present.
	Well, the next bit of news I heard was not too good.  In January,
the dog escaped from the yard and nipped a child.  I figured that this was
it - the dog was in quarantine, and I figured that the family would just
get rid of it after the quarantine was over.  Well, happily, the story has
a happy ending.  I just found out that not only does the family still have
the dog, but that my co-worker has just completed a Beginner's Adult
Obedience course with the dog!  Apparently, he did so well that they
are proceeding on to off-leash training.  The dog is still outdoors only, but
he must be getting a lot of attention and interaction (at the training 
sessions if nothing else).  Anyway, I am so happy that this family is taking
the time to work with the dog and turn him into a responsible member of the
family.
	I just thought I would share this with everyone since I did get a
fair bit of email about it at the time and I know that I often wonder about
what ever DID happen to certain situations that have come up on this board.
Anyone else have any updates on stuff that they would like to post?

Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Cool Dog Tricks Needed
Keywords: dog tricks
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:37:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Jul27.172654.8870@cs.cornell.edu> honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig) writes:

>You're about to be out-voted, I suspect :-).  So far I've seen 2 votes
>for golden retriever type to your one GSD vote.  I'm making it 3
>against one.  Oh noooo, is this another flame war????????  :-).
>
>BTW, my husband never can remember how to pronounce bichon frise.
>They're now those little "bitchin' frizzy" dogs to us (no offense to
>owners of this wonderful breed :-).

OK, fine, then I'll back off.  I still say it was a GSD, but hey, who am I to
argue with the Couch Potato experts of the net?  :)

It's pronounced Bee-shon Frees-ay.
Kelly
From: mledna@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Matt Ledna)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:34:15 GMT
Subject: overly protective pooch
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Hi,

  On my last backpacking trip I had a few problems with Zack.  On the hike
  in and out he was the mellowest pup around - cruising down the trail making
  friends with other hikers, etc.  But as soon as we set up camp he decided
  that he had to protect our new 'home' from any and all other hikers passing
  through the area - lots of barking and a generally agressive attitude.  I'm
  sure that the other hikers did not appreciate having 92 pounds of fur and
  teeth stand them down in the middle of the trail.  I was a bit embarrassed
  as there was nothing I could do to calm him down short of tying him to a
  tree.  Any suggestions on how I can get him to chill out in these situations?
  He's normally one of the friendliest dogs around.  I'm heading for the
  backcountry again in a couple of weeks and do not want a repeat performance.

  Thanks.

Matt Ledna
ledna@hppgpsc.corp.hp.com
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From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:42:22 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <16831C977.N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu writes:
> 
>Would dogs scare you away? (p 105)
>  65% said that dogs of good size and unfriendly persuasion would
>      scare them away;

A friend who lives in the country had a BIG mastiff with a very loud bark,
though he was actually quite friendly and would never attack anyone.  Burglars
came to his house and fed the dog a piece of poisoned meat.  Fortunately
he returned home and scared them away just as they were about to enter the
house.  Unfortunately the dog died.

I have a big woofer myself, which gives us some sense of security, but
she's also quite friendly.  Still, if someone really wants to break into
your house they'll probably find a way....

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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Breed Research
Keywords: Shelties & Welsh Corgis 
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.181510.15906@novell.com> mlinda@ca.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>
>The woman who will be training my dog has suggested Welsh Corgis


Well, I'm prejudiced, but I love my Corgis.  Sounds to me like a Corgi 
would do everything you want....


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From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Burglars and dogs: results of a survey
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:43:02 GMT

In article <16832BDDE.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.150407.11141@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
>     patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie) writes:
> 
>>The last I heard the latest craze was guard rattlesnakes. Some people use
>>de-fanged snakes, some don't. They work *real* well with the appropriate
>>warning signs.
> 
> 
>   Not to suggest that *you* agree with this, but this (rattlesnakes) is
>an EXTREAMLY dumb idea.
> 
>1)  Rattlesnake can grow their fangs back within a matter of a couple
>    of weeks.
>2)  The poisen ducts are still present; venom can still enter the body
>    from the wound caused by the bite (from the other teeth ?).
>3)  Unless they are cornered, the snake will attempt to get away from
>    the intruder, not attack him (95% of the time).
> 
> 
>If I were the burglar, I wouldn't hesitate to go after a place that used
>this.  If they were this dumb, then they probably don't have any other
>type of security to worry about.

The two cases that hit the news before I moved out of the area show that
Georgia burglars seem to disagree. One fellow bought a defanged snake and
kept it in the trunk of his car. He traveled a lot and had had problems
with his car being broken into at the airport before. Sure enough, somebody
punched out the lock, saw the snake, and freaked. When the guy got back
from his trip, the thief had beaten the snake to death, but then panicked
and left. All the stuff in the trunk was still there.

The other case was an auto parts store that had been broken into before.
They had a burglar alarm, but the location was such that it took a while
for the cops to get there. They were averaging about one robbery per
month. They bought three small rattlers and posted "guard rattlesnake"
signs. Three months later, the news did a short thing on them. One of
the high points of the show was watching the employees find the snakes
in the morning. They said that sometimes it may take an hour or two,
if they find good places to hide, but none of their customers has ever
asked them to hurry up! And they hadn't had anymore breakins.

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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Doggy I.D. and Two for One?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:37:26 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul30.144038.24642@novell.com>, mlinda@ca.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
|> Well folks, I have yet another question.
|> 
|> I've adopted a 2 year old Sheltie (Ivan) and he will be an indoor
|> except when with Mom (either on a leash or in the fenced back yard).
|> 
|> I know there is always a slim chance that he could get out without
|> me, but....  Does he really need a collar and i.d. tag all the time?
|> 
|> He doesn't wear one now and I'd hate to put one on him if it wasn't
|> really necessary.
|> 
|> Opinions?

A friend of mine has a Sheltie that is in the same position (fenced yard and only
walked on a leash).  One day this friend left while some yard people were working
and they accidentally left the gate open.  Cinnamon, the Sheltie, got out and got
lost.  My friend was panic stricken and searched for this dog all over.  Luckily,
when the ads came out in the newspaper, someone contacted him and he was able to
recover Cinnamon.

Always, Always, ALWAYS have ID on your dog!  (That's my opinion)

Sky Warrior and Tagged Team ;-)
Conan, Cuawn, Shadow, Mirin, Dancer and soon to join:
Jasmine and Kersel
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From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:57:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Akitas
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I would highly suggest that you take your dog to training class.  There
are usually plenty of classes around.  Akitas are pretty stubborn dogs and
you would do well to get your dog's attention from the start.  Akitas are
also known to be somewhat agressive.  This doesn't mean vicious or violent,
necessarily.  But they are stubborn.  I have an Akita with a real sweet   
disposition, who wouldn't hurt anyone who wasn't threatening, but she sure
has a mind of her own.  She has a tendency to 'not hear' me when it suits
her.  I really recommend getting you and your dog into obedience training.
It really can work wonders!

Kim
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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Duke: 1992 NCAA Champs!)
Subject: Home vet manual title??
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:59:51 GMT

Netfolks:

	Would some kind soul please e-mail me (or post) the title of that home
veterinary reference manual so many of you endorsed?  I remember it had two
authors, one female and the other male (but I could be wrong).

Thanks!
Katie, Danny and Buddy
From: loupy@roo.corp.sgi.com (Tom Loupy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Labrador Retriever Needs Home
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:33:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Yellow Lab (Male/Chester) pure breed with AKC registration,  9 months old  needs a good home with lots of land.  Chester is up to date on all shots and check-ups.  He is neutered and house broke, but leave both in and outdoors.  Chester has already pass the first level of Obiedence school and he comes from a good line of hunting dogs.  At 9 months he is ready for field training.

Please e-mail me or phone 415-390-3901.

Thanks,
Tom Loupy
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From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: What should I get?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:42:27 GMT

I am looking into getting a dog for my family, and I want some
suggestions as to a good breed.  Here are my requirements:

    No shedding (or minimal shedding)
    Good with kids (ages 2, 4, and 5)
    Small to medium in size
    Even tempered (won't bark at every little thing)
    Not too expensive (my boss is a tight-wad)

I would greatly appreciate your responses.
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Boarding Kennels
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:06:09 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory


I have seen several questions on the net about references for
kennels in one part of the country or another lately.  With the
onset of summer, it seems to be a good time to repeat some
information that others may find useful.

There is an organization known as the American Boarding Kennel Association
(ABKA) that may help in locating a quality kennel in your area.  They
are based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.  If you write or call them,
they will send you a small packet of information containing information
as to how to choose a kennel and a list of all ABKA accredited kennels
around the country.  An ABKA kennel is supposed to meet a minimum set
of criterion that is spelled out in their literature.  The things
they suggest you look for and questions to ask a potential kennel for
your dog is lots of common sense stuff, but they do have some things
in there that you might not think of.

I used them as a source to pick a kennel for my dogs that I can use
when I am on extended travel.  I used this information and made up
a question sheet that I used in evaluating half a dozen kennels in 
my area.  The one I chose two years ago is the one I still use today.

The ABKA address is:
4575 Galley Rd., Suite 400A
Colorado Springs, CO  80915
Ph: 719-591-1113

I hope this helps someone out there looking for a kennel.  By the way,
I think this information has been included in the FAQ as well.
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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: dogs and stuffed toys
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul16.174031.20207@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
	<1992Jul16.203703.14343@dgbt.doc.ca>
	<1992Jul17.122357.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1992 03:19:32 GMT

When I first got Fuzzball (my Bichon Frise), she weighed in at about
four pounds and was very tiny.

The other dog in the house was an excessively playful, hyperactive
one-year-old Golden Retriever.  The way I FINALLY kept the GR from
bullying the puppy was to put the puppy on a comfy chair and surround
her with lots of stuffed animals the same size as her.  The larger dog
couldn't tell which was which and left her alone!

I then went to take a picture and discovered my camera was out of
film. :-(

--Lynn
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