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From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dream Team II - Practice Team? or Better?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:40:55 GMT
 <1992Jul20.231056.14727@nynexst.com> <23JUL199208123231@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>

In article <23JUL199208123231@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>,
afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul20.231056.14727@nynexst.com>, ashokk@nynexst.com (Ashok
>Kalyanswamy) writes...
>>
>>And at the P.forward spot, I would add Derrick Coleman ...
>
>Are you sure he would go in when asked to? :) I had to say SOMETHING about
>him-which raises the question, if they didn't take  Isaih because of
>personal reasons (maybe, maybe not), then would they even consider DC?
>
  I have to agree with this.  If Coleman suddenly turned into Karl
Malone, I (and the NBA) still would not want to send him to the
Olympics.  Behavior like his is, in the long run, the worst thing
for the sport.

  On a less personal note, Larry Nance is a substantially better
player; by the next Olympics, Shawn Kemp will be too.
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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
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Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Dream Team's 3-pt shooting?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:55:22 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>Most of their game has been transition or easy layups.  They were off in 
>their outside shooting last night, and were only 5-14 (36%).  Both Mullin
>and Bird were not shooting great, going a combined 1-4 from 3pt land, and
>Stockton is the other big USA three threat.
>
>-- 
>David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 

I think you nailed it right on the head. Bird and Mullin were 1-4 COMBINED!
These player need to shoot the ball inorder to get into the flow of the
game. Mullin needs to get the ball in a place that he can let that lefty
floater go as does Bird. These players need to be allowed 
to shoot the ball more than 4 times over a 40 minute game...

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Boston Bias again (Re: Olympic hoops referees)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:21:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Meeks' 6th lie: article #6 post-stop.

In article <1992Jul30.132738.23878@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Hmm...  "giving preferential treatment to superstars" or "Jordan/Bird/Magic
>and all the other superstars" is the same as "Boston"????  Ed, where is the
>relation here???  
The relation is that the Celts has a superstar, the Bulls has one,
the Lakers had one. Many other teams don't have one. Many other teams haven't
been powerhouse/celebrity teams either.

>As I remember, no one argued that players get preferential
>treatment, in fact, it was agreed upon.  
You agreed upon it? Good. Oh, really, then what happen to all these claims 
that "favoritism happens on every home court"? Then Bird and McHale get
favored calls home and away that other teams don't. 

>In fact, according to the "poll" 
>done, it seems that just about every team gets preferential treatment at home
>to some degree or another.  
Really? who tell you that? I haven't seen the result of any poll. Where is
your evidence that the Bucks/Pacers/Sonics gettting preferential treatment
at home?

However, even IF (big if) you are right, every team gets the same amount of
favoritism at home,  it's still not the same. The Celtics get more than 
home court favoritism, they also get superstar favoritism and powerhouse 
favoritism. And that's also the Boston bias we have been arguing about. 
You can't equate the Boston's HC favoritism + superstar favoritism + 
powerhouse favoritism to all other teams' HC favoritism.

>No one has argued that the stars don't get 
>preferential treatment, nor that the rookies get.. well.. rooked...
Good, this is another admission of Boston getting favoritism, simply
because Boston had Bird, McHale, DJ and Parish.

>>In other words, the protection Jordan/Bird/Magic get is also available to all 
>>other players at home ....
>THe protection Jordan/Bird/Magic is available to other superstars at home.
It's not only at home. Superstar protection do not only happen at home.

>Ever see Karl Malone play?  Note the difference between home and away and
>the fouls called.  How about Clyde Drexler..  Or Isiah Thomas, or 
>so on...   
Yes, so? You only name 3 more. They do not constitute EVERY TEAM. And they
are not in the class of Bird/Magic/MJ either.

>A player like Bird probably gets more calls than a player like
>Mitch Richmond.  
Good, another admission.

>But Mitch Richmond probably gets more than Dee Brown, who
>probably gets more than Steve Alford...
But so? Sacramento has its Dee Brown too. You are comparing a feature player
in Sacramento to a role player in Boston. That's not an honest comparison.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:45:27 GMT

Meeks claimed he was going to stop on July 22, 20:42 GMT. 

Guess Liar Meeks ate his words: article #1 PS (post-stop)

See, my prediction that it was nothing but his old trick comes true again.
My next prediction: "You f**k, so I respond, so what?", the same kind of messages
when I exposed his lies in the Bird/Malone war ...

In article <1992Jul23.140335.34555@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>>>In Ed Lor's mind, (b) == d, e, f, g... as well as (a), where (d), (e), (f), and
>>>>>(g) are other incidents Ed considers as bogus (Trent Tucker, etc..)
>>>>(d), (e), (f) ... undefined.
>>>Not really.. You mentioned at least 7 things.  They make up the (d), (e), (f)
>>>variables.  They are the individual incidences you consider bogus.
>>OK, but you didn't say it. How did I know what they are?
>I didn't say it???  I stated that "where (d), (e), (f), and (g) are other
>incidents Ed considers bogus".  How much clearer do you wish them to be.
>They are meant to be variables, not just statics.
Oh, then it's not clear at all. If I had listed 7 calls favoring the Celtics, 
the Trent Tucker play should be (h). I don't know how you get 7 and include 
Trent Tucker's into it.

>>in any proof. (b) is the set of <WHAT ED LOR, not dave meeks, CONSIDERS BOGUS>, 
>
>Correct.  You state and believe (b).  You try to prove that I have said 
>(b) == home jobs, when what I said over and over, at the very most, was
>(b), with the exception of (a) as I do not consider it to be bogus, 
>== homejobs that happen everywhere.
Another lie. You statement was "what Lor considers bogus" == home job. 
You didn't say "what Meeks consider bogus" == home job or "what Meeks
do not consider bogus" != home job. Where is the evidence of the 3-ptr not
in (b)? Oh, you mean you determine what Lor can consider bogus?

As I said, the only way you can finish up this lie is to prove that
Lor == Meeks.

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                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics Rookie Camp
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:06:38 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul20.135652.19817@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
> He was on like 3 different teams, 2 of which he couldn't stay with.


	Not quite Dave. I don't have the article describing his college career
in front of me (and if I get it wrong I'm sure ~15 people will violently correct
me :-> ), but I think Barry 'flunked' out of his first school, took a year off,
went to a JC to get his grades up and played one year there, before finally
ending up a Georgia Tech where he played two seasons. So it was hardly a matter
of him not being able to 'stay with' two teams. The 1st case was academic problems
(he was quoted in the Globe as being very immature at the time) not a lack of
basketball skills. And the 2nd team was a JC, which he used as a stepping stone
to get back to a NCAA Div I program.

	I think Barry's agent is doing what he is paid to do, get his client
the best possible financial deal. So Barry missed rookie camp, big deal! He
missed 3 workouts and three pick-up games in New York with a bunch of NBA
wanna-bes & has-beens. Barry was absolutley right when he said that stuff was
nothing but further evaluation by the franchise. By not signing right away,
Barry *might* be able to get more money than the $500,000 salary slot the C's
are now offering. Two bigger slots may open up between now and the training
camp. Bagley won't be resigned unless Douglas gets traded (and that looks unlikely
right now). And of course there is Bird's probable retirement after the
Olympics, which would open up a slot worth 1/2 of Bird's base-year salary. I think
Bird's base-year salary was less than $2 million, which would make the slot
available worth about arround $800,000 or $900,000.

	If none of that pans out, then the $500,000 slot will most likely still
be there in October. If the C's sign one of the current big men in camp, it will
most likely be with Stoyko's slot (~$375,000). And if not Barry can go to Europe
for a year for more money.

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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Another Dream Team Possibility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Jul 1992 08:18 EST  

In article <l6opn4INNfv4@calvin.usc.edu>, whjelmar@calvin.usc.edu (White Guy with an earring) writes...
>Since everyone else is else is giving their picks for a second Dream Team,
>I figured I'd send out mine.  So here goes....
> 
>C  - 	Brad Daugherty
>PF -	Charles Smith
>SF -	Dominique Wilkins
>PG -	Tim Hardaway
>SG -	Reggie Miller
> 
>Bench - Rony Seikaly (C), Shaq O'Neill (C/PF), Dennis Rodman (SF), 
>	Reggie Lewis (SF/SG), Kevin Johnson (PG), Mitch Richmond (SG),
>	Hersey Hawkins (SG)
> 
>Coachs - Pat Riley - Head Coach
>	 Don Nelson - NBA Asst. Coach
>	 Jerry Tarkanian - College Asst. Coach
>	 Lou Carnesecca - College Asst. Coach
> 
>The only way to beat the Dream Team (I) would be if the other team could 
>eat up the clock, and lit up the scoreboard from behind the 3 pt. line.
>This team could do this.
> 
>The major difference in talent, I think, comes from the Center position.  The
>speed and strength of a Ewing/Robinson combo, is truely awesome--there is 
>no way that this team or any is going to match that....
> 
>Let me know what you think....
> 
>					-Walter-

I have two problems with this team-1) Siekely is I believe Greek-is he a 
citizen? 2) when describing ball handling to eat of the clock and nailing 
the threes, you have to have Mark Price, so I would add him and probably 
bump Hersey Hawkins-other centers I've seen mentioned are Pervis, and maybe 
Duckworth or Parrish.

Also, we've got to find a way to get Sean Elliot, or Sean Kemp on the team 



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


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From: jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: The Invincible Knicks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:18:47 GMT

I think the Knicks have become rather overrated.

Blackmon (sp?) is a good scorer, but he's also pretty old and can't do much
else. _If_ they'd snatched Harvey Grant, I would be quivering with everyone
else, but they didn't.

The Knicks are still short a good power forward and to some degree a point
guard. Further, all this Knick-pumping desperately depends on X-man NOT
playing the regular season anything like this past one - and I don't think
he can sustain the his playoff level.

The biggest threat to the Bulls is, was, will be the Cavs. The Knicks won't
make the conference finals, and if the rest of their division wasn't falling
apart, I wouldn't pick them to win the division.


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Barkley........
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:28:32 GMT

robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>Last night I saw a Nike ad featuring Sir Charles about to square off
>one on one against Godzilla. [...]
>Anyone know what this is all about?

Just another Nike ad.  Don't know if Chucky D is involved in this one --
maybe he's busy recording ``Fear Of A Reebok World.''

I saw Charles on ESPN the other night, talking to R*y F*****ne.
He said that Kevin McHale was the toughest man to play against,
but Godzilla is tougher because he has a tail.

No kidding.


--Gidi

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185535.8609@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:

>As promised, here is a list of NBA teams that moved from one city to another.
>
>Comment: Houston Rockets did not move from San Diego. They are successor of Denver Rockets of ABA. I think San Diego Rockets franchise folded.

     Well that'll be news to Elvin Hayes, who was drafted by the San Diego
Rockets (of the NBA) and moved to Houston with the rest of the Rockets.
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From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:12:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Jul23.163051.19866@cci632.cci.com>, dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
|> In article <Brt6qv.Hu5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> >[ talking about management wanting to start Hornacek]
|> >
|> >	If Hornacek were to start, where'd he play?  Shooting guard?  Nope
|> >	Hersey's there.  And no matter how you look at it, Hornacek isn't at
|> >	his best at the point guard slot.  The 3-guard offense has worked in
|> >	the past -- ala the Pistons -- and with all 3 getting equal playing
|> >	time, it really isn't going to matter who's starting.  Hornacek's
|> >	more used to coming off the bench than the other guys -- due to his
|> >	earlier experience -- so that should make him the 1st candidate.
|> >
|> >	Jazzy J
|> >-- 
|> 
|> OK How many games did the sixers win with Hawkins and Dawkins leading the
|> charge? Blame Sir Charles? I don't think so... They could have used a PF 
|> and a C though...
|> 
|> I believe that it is about time that Hersey sat his butt on the pines for 
|> a spell. Hornacek should give them what they need consistency from the
|> 2 guard position. I have seen too many games where Hawkins has disappeared 
|> and couldn't hit the floor with the ball. 
|> 
|> Hornacek will start simply because (as someone stated earlier) they traded
|> a superstar for him. I also believe that he should start because he is a 
|> better shooter that Hawkins.  
|> 
|> 					Dennis Joyce
I'd like to mention that Hornacek was a hig percentage shooter on a team
with well-organized attack, where he'd get his share of wide open off-the-screen
shots. Hawkins on the other hand has been playing on a truly dumb team ( Phila-
delphia deserves this calling better than Portland ) and would often and up
with a wild shot cause other (few) options would be unavailable at 
the moment. Now than they're gonna play on the same team, it'll be interesting to see their comparative shooting percentage. ( Personally I like Hornacek better, but it's purely subjective )
Igor
From: graham@jordan.nrl.navy.mil (Graham G. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Spurs sign Stewart
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.170253.25585@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul  
Goode) writes:
> The Spurs have signed Washington Bullets' restricted
> free agent forward Larry Stewart to an offer sheet.
> I don't know much about Larry, other than that he
> was a real surprise as a rookie. Can a Bullets fan
> post his numbers? Is he a power forward or a small 
> forward?
> 

	Here's some info on Larry Stewart from the Bullets:

he's 6-8, 220, Power forward. 
10.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, shot .504 from the field and .825 from the line i beleive.
He's a great inside player, has good post up moves, a good rebounder and can 
defend well against usually bigger power forwards. He is also really quick and
usually you see him beating his 4 down the floor for layups. since most p.f.s
are slower than him.
In the Utah game at home, which the Bullets almost won, stewart did and  
EXCELLENT job on Karl Malone, holding him i think to 20 points and 8 rebounds  
for the game. (holding!) he can do that with other p.f.'s like thorpe and k.  
willis, those are specific players i've seen him matched up against. His 
weakness is any shot outside of 12 feet, and ball handling. Overall 
he was a wonderful find by the bullets and a great starting 4 for us
to have. I hope we keep him! But if he goes to the Spurs he will help them
alot. 

	Graham
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From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!\
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 17:12:15 GMT

I would like to know the names of NBA and ABA teams that moved from one city to another.

	e.g  MInneapolis lakers --> LA Lakers
	     Syracuse Nationals --> Phila. Warriors --> GS Warriors

	     If possible please list the old and new (changed) team names.

	     You can reply to me by e-mail or post it on the newsgroup.

	     Thanks 
	     Parag
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: question: which network
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:20:08 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide

In article <figgis_b.711875526@kultarr>, figgis_b@cs.uwa.oz.au (BW FIGGIS) writes:
|> As an avid Australian NBA follower, I was wondering who has the rights
|> to the dream team games in the US? We got all the regular season games
|> off NBC, is it the same story for the olympics?
|>
|> Unfortunately I dont think Aus. viewers will get a chance to see
|> US qualifying matches. Does anyone know different?
|>
Well we got the USA Angola game last night after Australia's game.
Whether this will keep up is anyones guess (as well as whether we will
get to see all of Australia's games live and complete, I suppose that
depends on whether Channel 7 thinks 40 point blow outs make good TV :-).

Mark.
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From: aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co)
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:31:23 GMT

Jennifer,
I'm interested in the stats!
From: wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Adelman gets 2 year contract extension
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:58:45 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Instrument Controllers and Software
In-reply-to: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 17:23:02 GMT

In article <Bs7pME.EtG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:

   I just read that Rick Adelman just signed a 2 year contract extension.
   This is PARTICULARLY surprising, since everyone in the entire world
   was talking about complete, wholesale changes for next season.
   It seemed that every sportswriter that I've heard was predicting 
   half the players to be traded (Duck, Kersey, Ainge (gone already), Porter),
   and the coach replaced.

   Hmmmmm.   So much for sportswriters....

   Scott

Agreed!  However, I don't know about your local papers.  But most of the
sportswriters here in Portland have been writing against trading anyone
away and thought that the Blazer management would be in the best
position if it were to keep the same core players.  As a matter of fact,
the Ainge thing was a bit of a suprise to the management.  Evidently
Danny was upset at their not signing him earlier in the season to a
better contract and left.  Most the writers were a little bitter about
the whole situation.  They thought Danny was being a twit and the
Blazers screwed up.  There was a quote during that round of stories that
Blazer management was planning on "keeping the five core players and
Robinson".  The result was that the only tradable player was Alaa
Abdelnaby (who went in a three-way for Tracy Murray). 

My personal feelings are that the Blazers have only become better over
the last few years and it would be idiotic to throw away the several
players who are young and have some serious playoff experience.  Cliff
is quickly approaching his peak performance and the veterans aren't
sluffing off yet (have a look at Clyde in the Olympics!)  A little more
patience and a better half court offense will be deadly when combined
with the good defense we see sporadically, the vicious fast break, and
the three point ability (although we've lost Ainge, Murray looks to be a
natural shooter from that distance).

The toughest obstacle this season will be Phoenix who may very well be
the most talented team in the West.  Let's see if the new coach can
direct it.  And although the Blazers finally threw the monkey of LA in
the last couple of years (they feel that they can beat them regularly),
Chicago has a mystic invulnerablity that needs to be broken.  

Oh well, just my 2c (I guess it's more like 20 from the size of this
post)...

Later,

	-Wyatt
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