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From: vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni)
Subject: Re: When the going gets tough...
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:23:57 GMT

P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
> Since posting my article about the T-shirt motto, 'when the going gets
> tough, the tough go shopping', I've had a phone call from Germany
> asking for a bit more info about the motto.  In the form as quoted, I
> know nothing more at all; anyone know where that specific form first
> appeared.  

    I could, of course, be dead wrong, but I'm pretty certain that this
    phrase orginated on the (slightly brain-dead, yet classic) sitcom
    _Mork and Mindy_ sometime around the end of the Carter administration
    (i.e. the late 70's). Robin Willaims played Mork, an alien from the
    planet Orc, who, for reasons best not gone into, lived in Boulder,
    Colorado. Mork was always mangling the English language and the show 
    generated some semi-popular catch-phrases, some of which were scrambled 
    English, some of which were "Orcan" (such as the immortal "na-noo na-noo" 
    which actually made its way onto a Van Halen album). Anyway, Mork used
    the phrase in an episode when he went shopping to hide from (and
    here my memory's a bit fuzzy) an alien (chicken-like?) creature
    with whom he was supposed to be having some sort of duel. It sounded
    original at the time (and I rather suspect that Robin Willaims
	coined the phrase).
    
    BTW, there were a spate of similar phrases on T-shirts and bumper
    stickers in the US in the early 80's (e.g. "When the going gets 
    weird, the weird turn pro").


--
                                                         vince@gda.cadence.com
	"The peasants revolted when they found out the Czar and the Tsar were
	 really the same person."
			- Woody Allen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Balmoral and beyond
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.164550.19924@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mlo@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Mike Osborne) writes:
> Give us an example of something the Queen might do which  would need permission 
> from parliament. I thought if anything it was the other way around.
> I seem to remember potential Prime Ministers asking the Queen for permission
> to form a government and the inscriptions on my passport imply that the Queen 
> OWNS the government.

This is purely ceremonial nowadays. The queen has much theoretical power but
no actual power. If she ever tried to exert it, she would probably find
herself living in a republic pretty quickly.

> As I understand it, technically the Queen can do whatever she likes, because
> she IS the law. If you are charged with a criminal offence, the case would be
> tried as Regina vs. Whoever. 

That's the Crown vs Whoever. The Crown is a synonym for the ruling powers
rather than the Monarch personified.

> So if the Queen wants to drive around the West End in her Roller with an Uzi in 
> one hand and a spliff in the other, picking off innocent American tourists 
> whilst having her toes sucked by a Texan financial adviser, she can. She does 
> not have to apply to the government for permission, she just does it. 
> It's one of the perks of the job (like not paying any taxes). And we wouldn't 
> have it any other way. God bless you Ma'am!

If you believe this then you have a very vivid imagination.

Simon.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk
From: kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick)
Subject: Wasting Bandwidth (was Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America)
Organization: The Visible Language Workshop
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:44:31 GMT


Do you think we could leave this discussion out of to rec.arts.drwho and 
alt.tv.prisoner?  Cheers!

-- cmk


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From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can a foetus succeed a dead monarch?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:16 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> It just happens. Having someone decide would be just infra dig, though no
|> doubt Her Majesty's Commons could suugest an alternative to male descent.

The first time Squidgy started to swell, the Letters page of the Times
carried a panicky correspondence which seemed to agree that Parliament
should, as a matter of urgency, pass legislation to reform primogeniture.
The point was that the idea of a younger son succeeding in preference to an
older daughter would probably not be considered a completely in-touch thing
to do in the early 21st Century.

It was generally assumed that it was Parliament's job.

Fortunately it was a boy-child, so the Establishment breathed a collective
sigh of relief and promptly forgot the whole embarrassing episode, at least
until the time comes when Wills admits to some paternity or other.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
141 more days of Bush Presidency!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Subject: Re: U.S./British school grades, was Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:35:05 GMT

In <1992Sep4.153157.26939@riscsm.scripps.edu> rjms@scripps.edu (Russell Mortishire-Smith) writes:

>Dave Jones writes ...
>
[stuff deleted]

  The total
>>number of "students" in college in 1990 was over 13 million, quite a
>>number when you consider a national birth rate of around 3 million a
>>year when these students were born.  Obviously it's more than just
>>a lot of people doing 4-year degrees.
>>
>Except that a significant number of those students are from overseas,
>up to 20 or 30 % is my guess.

>Russell
>--
>rjms@scripps.edu   |If at first you don't succeed,
>		   |so much for skydiving.


The U.S. figure would also include a significant number of students who are
older than average.  Anyone can go to university at any time here, which I
believe is not the case in the UK. I, for example, am 31 and will receive my
BA next May. I currently live in a residence hall for graduate and "adult" 
(i.e. over 25 yrs old) students and there are people in here far older than
I. One is in her 70's!

Susan Bradley
sooz@iastate.edu
From: guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Chortle and the Wheelies
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:16:24 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:

>In article <5984@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> mark-r@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Mark Robinson (JO PhD)) writes:

>>Absolutely right Chris, the headquarters of Cosgrove-Hall are
>>sited in Chorlton, SW Manchester, near to Sale and Stretford.
>>it's not famous for anything except Cosgrove-Hall, Chorlton
>>Water Park and the fact that I used to live there.

>There was a Granada TV comedy called The Cuckoo Waltz, which I think was
>set in Chorlton.

Right.  The place also comes up (under its full name) in the Flanders
and Swann song "Slow Train":
	No churns, no porter, no cat on a seat
	At Chorlton-cum-Hardy or Chester-le-Street...

-- 
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          | University of Cambridge | University of Edinburgh
          | Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk  | guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
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From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Celtic Cross
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:21:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <92242.163858IO20402@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO20402@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> Please, could someone tell me the origins of the Celtic Cross, I have worn one
> for some time, and I am fed up with people continually asking me if I am
> Catholic. Does the cross have religious ties? Or is it just a pagan symbol?
> 
>       Thank you,
>               Tak Car loves,
>                      Kerry

I presume you mean the cross with the circle intersecting all the
"arms".  That is a very early Irish and, I think, Scottish Christian
symbol. It combines elements of both Christianity and paganism to make
it more "palatable" for Christian converts.  The cross is obvious, the
circle around it represents either the circle of life, or of the world,
united in the symbol of the cross. Very often the large stone crosses
you still see all over Ireland would have pictures from local legend
carved in them.  So, the celtic cross was all things to all people!
Such a refreshing change from the dogmatic approach the church had
later on in its history.

Jason
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: International Trade in Liverpool and/or Manchester
Keywords: I miss my fiance'
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know of any firms or companies in Liverpool or Manchester that 
give internships to Graduate students of International trade? (Buffalo, New
York is a long distance away from my Scouse fiance' and I would love to be 
closer to her!)

Thanks in advance,
Jesse
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Celtic Cross
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:15:36 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep1.082206.23756@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>
>
>  What is, in your definition, the difference between "pagan" and
>"religious"?  You must be making the distinction between the spiritual
>practices of the indigenous people of world, and the people who came along
>with swords and spears calling themselves the "Christians", right?
>

Scotland and Ireland were not converted by the sword.  Read some
history !  Try volume 1 of the New Edinburgh History of Scotland -
Warlords and Holymen or Ian Finley's book "Columba".

>  Well, the Celtic Cross is a beautiful blending of pre-Christian Celtic
>elements and Christian motifs.  The quartered circle in the center is one
>of the oldest Celtic designs, similar to and sharing the common heritage
>of IndoEuropean motifs like the swastika and swirl, implying movement and
>solar associations.  Thus integrating the Celtic sun god of youth  with
>the Christian "young" god.
>
>  Goddess bless,
>  michael
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: buying peerage
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:40:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz's message of 4 Sep 92 07:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.073034.29837@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         ) writes:

   In casual conversations with friends, I have been told that it is
   possible in the UK to 'buy' a title of some sort or other by donating
   enough money to charities, or similar actions (endowing schools, things
   like that I guess).

   Is there any truth to this or have they just picked it up from tv?

Yes, it's quite possible.  Donating money to charity will only get you a
fairly minor title, though.  To get a big, important title you have to donate
lots of money to the Conservative Party.  Sad but true.  The whole thing is
corrupt beyond belief.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:41:44 GMT


In Los Angeles we are watching "The House of Eliot". I am not sure why.
It is very much a "woman's programme", mostly about the women characters,
created by women (wotsername who played thingy in Upstairs Downstairs),
and with a "fashion" theme. The allegedly pretty sister has a terrible
accent and couldn't act her way out of a paper bag if you gave her a
machete.

Don't get me wrong -- I am not a mysoginist, in fact I can't even spell
the word.  Despite all the above I am sort of enjoying it even though the
most interesting characters have a habit of suddenly being dissappeared
from the series.  The cars and planes are good.  Wotsername was
interviewed on the radio just before the series started and said it had
been tremendously popular in the UK to the extent that a second series is
being made.

I don't know when it was current in the UK, was it well received over
there?

Dick Jackson
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: VNS: Tue  1-Sep-1992
Keywords: VNS,news
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:16:45 GMT
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


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    Here is the News at 09:00 BST on Tuesday 1st September 1992
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    UK News
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    The most trouble-free Notting Hill Carnival of recent years took place
    over the weekend. Scotland Yard said that there had only been 10
    crimes recorded, half that of last years carnival.  

    Two Argentine pilots were killed yesterday when their jet nose-dived
    into the ground as they rehearsed aerobatic stunts over Hurn airport,
    near Bournemouth.

    A report out today warns of an impending staff shortage in the health
    service as more than 1 in 5 nurses say they are considering leaving the
    health service. A large number left last year, many to take up nursing
    positions in Australia and Canada.

    European News
    -------------

    Jacques Delors, president of the European Commission, has threatened to
    resign if the French reject the Maastrict Treaty in their 20 Sept
    referendum, senior Common Market officials said last night.


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From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:10:45 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> The phrase "Jesus wept" is similarly used as an exclamation,
|> because exclaiming "Jesus!" might be interpreted as "taking the
|> Lord's name in vain", but lengthening it to "Jesus wept" turns
|> it into a pious biblical quote

Richard Dimbleby (a TV commentator noted for his gravitas rather than
journalistic skills) uttered this during one of several foul-ups in the TV
coverage of the Coronation in 1953.  He thought the mike was turned off (or
maybe didn't care by then).

It was generally agreed Not The Done Thing to say, even when said by the
pompous, but he did not claim a sudden attack of piety.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
140 more days of Bush Presidency!
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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Does Prince Philip have a French Mistress?
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:31:56 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <BtC0K4.6nt@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>I have been told that some French newspapers have revealed that Prince
>Philip has a French mistress who he regularly spends time with.  This 
>has been known for quite a while in France but the UK press refuses 
>to report it.
>
>If it really was reported in French papers was it just junk news 
>(ie made-up just to fill pages).

According to the previously mentioned `Royal Expose`' 'Dispatches'
program, they said that official records that are normally released after
30 years to anybody that wants them, some documents about the Royal family
in the 50's weren't released and have a 100 year TOP SECRET ban on them.

They were about a holiday Prince Phillip took apparently. Hardly what I
would call 'Strategic Information'.

Maybe he was caught doing a 'Fergie' with someone ???

Neil

P.S. Is this fair play from the Queen ?????? (second time asked ??)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov (James Renfro)
Subject: Re: THE COMPLETE BRITISH TO AMERICAN DICTIONARY
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: usa, uk
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:12:22 GMT

In article <d5jn_lr.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy)  
writes:
> 
> abstractour	-> abstractor
> warriour	-> warrior
> 
[buncha stuff deleted]
> --
> cj gypsy

Quite a few of those look very wrong.  
I just noticed some that were missing from a posting with such a title, as "THE  
COMPLETE blah blah".

Where are the UK - USA pairs

colour       - color
organisation - organization
parlour      - parlor

I think that poster was taking the Mickey out of us all.

JR
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Subject: Re:  QE l (WasWRe:QE2/QE II)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:53:48 GMT


Sorry to hear the Queen Mary is to be scrapped.  I have very
fond memories of sailing on her from Southampton to New York
in 1956 when my family brought me to the States.

Are there any books about any of the Queens?  I'd like to
learn more about them.  I assume they were built in the Clyde
Shipyards.

-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 04:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.182604.23445@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <FLD7PB1w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>>perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:
>>
>>> 
>>> When I heard that they were considering an American version of "Red
>>> Dwarf" I nearly lost my lunch.  No way would the American networks ever
>>> allow a show with that level of depravity to see the light of day.  I
>>> can't even image what a sanitized version of "Red Dwarf" would be
>>> like.  "Hi, Honey, I'm Home" in outer space?  Don't tell me they're
>>> going to allow the word "smeg" on NBC.
>Hey, I'm a moderately well educated American, and I don't know 
>what the smeg "SMEG" means. (Seems to be used as a synonym to
>"figurative excrement".) I bet it would pass the censors.

The first time I saw Red Dwarf, I had no idea what 'smeg' meant, I thought it
was just an amusing exclamatory made up for the show (similar to Battlestar
Galactica's ubiquitous 'felgercarb'). Now, I hear it in more places, mostly
other British TV, but I STILL don't know what it means! I agree, I bet it 
would pass the censors.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Revolution in t'UK?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:56:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

I just received my latest care package from good ol' Blighty
and I'm very concerned.


My large bar of Cadbury's Dairy Milk was wrapped in plastic,
not the mandatory foil and paper.  What has happened?  are 
there questions in the House?

At least I got 25% extra free:-)  IMHO, UK made Cadbury's is 
different to that made in the US by Hershey's.  It suits my
tastebuds better, I think Hershey's mix in too much smegma:-)

THEN I open the Grauniad, to find that Steve Bell & If... is still 
missing.  Is he dead, on ANOTHER holiday, working for the Sun or
taking a sabatical a la  G. Trudeau??   Please advise soonest.

Hugh
--
hg798502@longs.lance.colostate.edu
I am not a free man, I am a number.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: antonson@software.org (Todd S. Antonson)
Subject: Greencard Lottery in U.S.
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:44:02 GMT

Hi,  I have a friend in England who wishes to send her name in
for the Green Card Lottery in the U.S. (I don't know any of the
details but she gave me all her vital info).  Does anybody (in
GB or US) know where to send this?

Thanks in advance.

- Todd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chem91@Rosie.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Subject: Re: QE I (WasWRe: QE2/QE II)
Reply-To: chem91@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.171253.18856@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>limey@hri.com (Craig Hughes) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug31.145813.23224@ttinews.tti.com>, jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> A sticky end is also threatening the QE I which has been a tourist
>>|> "attraction" in Long Beach harbour since the late '60s.
>
>>I thought that was the Queen Mary? For some reason, I thought Disney
>>owned the old boat now, and as you said, it isn't making money. Time to
>>do the old "buy a piece of history" routine; a bit of scrap metal
>>mounted on a wooden plaque for 50 bucks.....
>
>The QE1 sank somewhere (Hong Kong maybe?) after a fire many years ago. Early
>seventies/late 60s after she had been sold.
>It's the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
>
>Dave
>-- 

Indeed it *is* the Queen Mary in Long Beach, and it looks pretty splendid 
*from a distance*. The closer you get the more likely you are to come across
the $5 parking concession, or "Ye Olde English Souvenier Village" near the 
liner. 

Disney operated it for a while, but even they couldn't turn a profit, so it
seems. They also had a big row with the Long Beach City Council about building
*another* "theme park" in Long Beach which would have contravened all sorts of
environmental regulations. It seems like they're abandoning the QM to get back 
at Long Beach. 

The QM will probably now be scrapped...

Bill



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