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From: buckmr@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: OUTING: Canadian Gold Medallist Swimmer
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:23:39 GMT


I'm currently channeling Joe Clark, erstwhile GayNetter and present 
Village Voice _JockBeat_ columnist:


Hi, <insert predictably effeminized salutation here>!

I am not a subscriber to Girlnet, but am QUITE aware of and flattered by
the attention I have been getting in my absence. You people miss me more
than my old friends in long-lost cities do! You people. You're so fab.

Should any of you wish to snatchnote, go right ahead..

And I assume you all know that Canada's gold medalist in the 100m
backstroke, Speedo/beef/homoerotic Bugle Boy jeans spokesperson Mark
Tewkesbury, is an homosexualist? Today's papers are full of stories about
how clean-cut his image is. Either they are working at intense levels of
irony or... we know something they don't.

I do not mean to start an outing debate. There is no room for debate. I
just outed him.

-  


                                           Joe Clark
                                      joeclark@scilink.org
                                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:36:57 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:


>That reminds me of what we did to Anita Bryant and to the Prop 6 
>(it was 6, wasn't it?) campaign people in California in 1978.
>We'd put rolls of pennies into the return envelopes -- so they'd
>pay a dollar for a fifty cent contribution.  Or we'd put rocks
>in the envelopes.  A friend of mine taped a couple of the return 
>envelopes onto *bricks* and dropped them in the mail.  Yes, the 
>bricks were delivered.  No, they couldn't refuse to pay the postage.

Now this sounds REALLY cool! Unfortuntely, I'm not on any Fundie mailing lists.
How do I do that? "Anyone? ... Anyone?"

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:23:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug21.151439.19989@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>
>Well, I can dig it, but I got a question - how do you avoid that
>embaressing wet spot after you pee?

I've never gotten the impression that George might embarrass easily.

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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What the phobes really want
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:07:03 GMT

hughes@daffy.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes) writes:
>Though I probably wouldn't mind it if each and every one of you really
>were relocated to Delaware...

It would get....crowded, I guess. To say the least.

My vacation-planning would get much simpler, though. I'd only have to go to 
one place to see you all.

								FJ!!
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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Saving our children
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:22:18 GMT

In <1992Aug19.211215.6569@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:


>There are a few programs out there. Most big cities have a gay youth
>group, maybe an underage club that embraces sexual diversity. And
>there are a few exceptional things like Project 10. Thank god most of
>the teachers are on our side.

I don't think that "most big cities have a gay youth group".  It think
it's spread unevenly.  There is one in northern New Jersey, one in
Central New Jersey, but none in the two biggest cities in New Jersey
(Newark [very far north] and Camden [very far south]).  We definately
need more adults that can dedicate every Saturday (or whatever) to
facilitating such groups.

>All I know to do is to do my best to be visible as a happy queer. When
>I was out demonstrating in the streets with Queer Nation, the thing
>that made me happiest was when some teenager saw me. He knows that I
>am queer and happy. He knows that there are queer people in the world,
>people he can't hurt. And if he might be lesbigay himself, then I hope
>to provide at least a little comfort that he is not alone.

Amen!

>But this is such a small thing.

I disagree!  That is a HUGE effort.  Think about what that kid would
have had 5 years ago!

Tom
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: the squirrel posting
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:29:23 GMT

In article <thaaang.713432040@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>Perhaps the little squirrels jumped up and down on the eighth perch
>(in vexation that they couldn't get to the feed, maybe) until it
>snapped off? I've known squirrels to do that kind of thing...

The squirrels don't bother us in Carlisle as much as the raccoons do.
One night at home I woke up to the sound of an odd scraping, slurping,
scuffling noise from downstairs, went down to the kitchen and turned
the light on to find (for this, now, you have to imagine the way our
house is built: we have a bird feeder hanging from the eaves over the
kitchen window, and a windowsill of moderate size) a raccoon with his
feet braced on the windowsill and hanging on to the bird feeder for
dear life, snuffling up what seeds he could from the tiny bird-shaped
entrance holes.

He didn't appear to care that I had turned the light on, so I went
over to the window and rapped on it sharply.  He responded by lazily
turning his head to the side and looking ostentatiously down his nose
(or reasonable approximation thereof) at me for a few minutes;
determining that I posed little threat to him, he turned back and
resumed his ungentlemanly table manners.

I considered going outside and chasing him off with a mop, but it was
two o'clock in the morning, and (city boy that I am) wild animals
scare me.  So I turned off the light, went upstairs, and went to
sleep.  In the morning I told Mom and Dad and we moved the bird feeder
farther away from the sill.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:48:56 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.062422.3787@amhux2.amherst.edu>
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>Getting fucked can be a lot of fun, but do you think it would be masculine
>>enough for him?  

>As long as he can be on top.

My own impression, maybe amounting to little more than a
prejudice, is that the butcher they are (or think they are),
the faster those heels go up.  (It's about my only weak
claim to butchness.)

So I think straight boyz (and straight-identified gay boyz)
are mostly bottoms.  It's us queens on top.  Ride 'em, slam
'em to the stars!  Oh Baby!

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From: eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: International Male (was R
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: eric.hunt@matrix.sbs.com (Eric Hunt) 

JN>3, I suspect.  Apparently, they're afraid they'll lose a few fringe strayts
JN>who *wish* they were fashionable.

I think it's more than that. I think they'll loose the MASSIVE newsstand
exposure they get right now if they 'come out of the closet.' I mean, in
this godforsaken Biblethumping hellhole we call Alabama, IM is on every
newsstand you see practically.
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:40:34 GMT

*sigh*

He was one of the first people I exchanged email with from soc.motss.

I feel similarly to ailsa; bewilderment. It's like ``Wha? Rob Bernardo is
leaving the Net...? He's DEAD? I didn't even know he was sick! How DARE he not
warn us about this!'' [irrational, I know.]

*sigh*
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:42:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug13.044229.16127
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug13.042650.7512@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>Say it was your wife, with young children at home, or your 18 year-old 
>daughter.  Say they pulled a lower number than you, and got called before
>you or your 18 year old son.  Is it OK with you then?

what a bizarre thing for me to suppose, Kelley. I'm a faggot. It is
extremely unlikely that I will have a wife, and I'm really not
counting on having children.

Forcing anyone to service, especially military service, is morally
repugnant. Women or men - I see no difference. But something tells me
this doesn't surprise anyone.
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From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Republican National Convention
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:13:55 GMT
Return-Path: <@juts.ccc.amdahl.com:wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

I have been listen to the coverage of the Republican National Convention
on National Public Radio. It has been getting me very upset. All this bashing 
of the Gay Bashing and I getting real tried of hearing "Family Values". Which 
is just more BASHING behind a smoke screen.

But then it interesting to hear the subject of Homosexuality come up in both 
conventions. Which means that we have made some gains over the years. I think 
this is the first presidential election where this subject has come into play. 
But I feel that there are a lot of people don't feel this is a deciding factor 
in the election.

There were some interested comments from Marty Keller who is a delegate at the 
Conventions. Marty is also one of Founding Member of the California Log Cabin 
Club (A Gay and Lesbian Republican organization) He was on KQED 88.5 FM Forum 
program today. He said he was very upset by the language in the platform 
regrading Homosexuals, but has no plans if leaving the party because of it. he 
has Come Out at the convention to that them know the Gays and Lesbians in the 
party. He said it better to keep that fact in their face, rather then leave. 
Walking out just means you give up and let them have there way. A nother 
interested comment he made was about a comment he made to  his partner. They 
where walking by the area where Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson and Dan Quail where 
sitting, Marty turned to this partner and said 

  "there are the brown shirts, and there was a woman from the delegation
   Colorado who overheard my comment and turned like she was going to hit
   me. But then she an agreeing look"

The other part of the conventions I getting tried of is the BLAME that has been 
PREACHED from the PULPIT. GHWB has always been good at blaming other people.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:57:45 GMT


In article <1992Aug15.212316.19022@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>If someone could point out to me "you like this and this,
>but not this" I would be most grateful.  I suspect it's not
>easy.

Ever the martyr for social science :-), I volunteer to help
you discover this useful information.  Come on over and
we'll try a few dozen things, and afterwards I may be able
to make some provisional conclusions in each category, as
well as suggest approaches for further study.  At this stage
I can't vouch for how easy it might be, but I'm reasonably
certain it could be considerable fun.

I just love research, don't you?

<> In a recent lecture on dairy physics:
<> "We have on the left a spherical cow of uniform density,
<> on the right is a spherical hay stack of uniform density.
<> The two are separated by an infinite fence of infinitesimal
<> thickness delta.  Now,  before looking at the governing
<> relationships...let's make some assumptions."
<> -- Alain Bouchard (akbar@cs.mcgill.ca)
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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:52:25 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Aug18.181931.2499@adobe.com>
asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>In article <92230.231253IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>damn.  i'm babbling.  i'm sorry.  goddammitall, IT ISN'T FAIR!
>
>In my experience, children have a finely developed sense of outrage at
>unfairness.  That most of us lose this is one of the great tragedies of
>growing up.

	Well, Paul, this is a mixed tragedy, I think.
	Too much anger at unfairness can be debilitating -- 
	personally, I need a balance or I become ineffective.
>
>When did I learn to sigh and say, "Life is unfair"?

	When or how you learned it doesn't seem material --
	if you realize you're in danger of being complacent,
	I think you're on the right track and able to
	resist it.

>How can I regain the outrage?

	For one thing, remember Rob's death, and the deaths
	of others -- those, at least, are *un*mixed tragedies.

>
>      -paul asente
>	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente
>	   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

	Hugs,
	-R


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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:21:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l8ohfjINN595@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.172701.3835@microsoft.com> 
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes, in one of 
>the most homophobic articles I've ever seen on soc.motss:

I think you have a short memory, but it certainly was homophobic.  I kept
thinking "This is some sort of parody; pretty soon he'll get to the punch
line", but the punch line never came.  Can he actually believe what he
wrote?  I think he's more to be pitied than scorned.  Pitied and ignored,
that is.  I'm coming around to the view that it's not our responsibility to
educate these people.
 
>> I have met many gay men, handsome, masculine, and closeted--and they will
>> probably stay that way forever.  Why?  Because the once-a-year trip to a gay
>> function or gay bar reinforces their fears of being surrounded by nelly,
>> campy gays that are embarassing and fringe radicals.
>
>That paragraph is unspeakably vile.

Arne, how did you decide to single out that particular paragraph as
unspeakably vile?  Personally, I thought the next paragraph was much more 
vile. 

>> Gay, masculine men who are happy being that way are threatening to
>> feminine gays.  You threaten them.  It also disturbs feminine gays
>> that a masc. gay man can move 'with the straight crowd'; you have
>> betrayed the fem. gays by having close straight friends.

This is complete nonsense.

>Utter bullshit, but if you feel like continuing with the arm chair
>psychoanalysis, I think you might want to look at your motivations 
>here.  

Mysogyny is a good candidate.  The use of "feminine" is even worse than
"effeminate", I think. 

>Fuck off.

Getting fucked can be a lot of fun, but do you think it would be masculine
enough for him?  


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From: mjbarkl@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Michael Barkley)
Subject: Rob Bernardo (1952-1990)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:01:39 GMT
Followup-To: pb.ba0r

Rob Bernardo died of an AIDS-related opportunistic infection last
Thursday afternoon.  I worked with Rob from time to time in this District
at Pacific Bell and always appreciated his fine and subtle sense of humor,
his professional computing skills, his intellect, his well-rounded
education, his sense of ethics, and his respect.  I will miss him.  For
inadequate reasons I had never accepted his invitation to any of his
soirees at his home in Concord.  I regret that very much now.

Eulogies are continuing on soc.motss for the open minded, very good,
very sensitive eulogies.

To quote Chuck Fisher's note, 

"A memorial service is being planned for Saturday, September 26 to be
held at Rob's house in Concord.  After a short service we would like to
have the kind of barbeque that Rob was famous for holding at the R Bar JB.
More information will be forthcoming."

I know several of you would like to attend this service, and as information
on it passes through I will post it to pb.ba0r.

		--Mike Barkley, (H) 209/823-4817, (O) 510-823-2452

We really must do something about AIDS.
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From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:16:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.153253.2613@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	I suppose asking everyone to call IM and demand that the
>profits from the freedom ring sales go to a non-profit gay organziation
>is too much to ask, huh?

Actually, I am sure someone owns the design and could
therefore sue if no compensated.

>otherwise copyright the pink triangle or the rainbow flag? 

A flag company, for example, can (and probably does) copyright
it's artistic creation (the artwork from which the flag was
made), but would find it hard to trademark a design which
historically has been used for so long.  I would imagine that
in such cases, a "grandfather" clause would come into effect.

I'm just surprised that the olympic committee hasn't tried to
seize all of the rings as being too darned close to their
design.

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From: drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: FAQ
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:57:23 GMT
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu

I saw that Rob was one of the people who volunteered to forward
people's messages into soc.motss in the last FAQ.  

It hurt to think that we'll have to remove it, and I had a thought...
perhaps we should add an appendix to the FAQ, a roll-call of the 
fallen, just so we can see them every once in while?  It seems so
terrible unfair that our friends' names should be lost to the 
networks they once shared with us.  Let me start it... it feels
so good just to see it again...

LOST FRIENDS

rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us <Rob Bernardo>
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Subject: Re: wearing symbols
From: stevenz@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:30:48 MST
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: stevenz

In article <cZZkPB1w165w@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us>, timmy_b@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us (Tim Barnes) writes:

> I just noticed tonight that International Male is selling Freedom Rings
> in their catalog.  Freedom Rings were created by an artist <I can't 
...
> out of us <grin>.  The IM ad describes them as "Rainbow Ring Necklace.  
> Express your individuality with this colorful accent of bright anodized 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> metal rings suspended from a 28" steel ball chain."

Don't you just love ad copy?  "Express your individuality" by wearing
something we hope to sell to a kazillion different people all over the
place.

Or is our "individuality" supposed to be a euphamism for those of us
in the know?  What about those not in the know?

Steven

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Showtime (was Re: be kind to small furry animals)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:49:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug19.041036.20784@Princeton.EDU> 
spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>
>While working in the box office, I have actually been asked when the
>next show starts, by someone standing right in front of the box office
>marquee that lists all the showtimes.

I assume it's a movie theatre, in which case the question might not be all
that unreasonable.  Many theatres around here don't actually start the main
feature until 5 or 10 minutes after the posted time. 


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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Everything I ever wanted to know about ... Rome, Italy
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:43:20 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

A coworker is thinking of accepting a 2-3 assignment in Rome,
Italy, and he would like to know a bit about the atmosphere.
In particular, this friend of dorothy would like to know
where the "right" place to live is, social organizations,
support organizations, tolerance of "alternative lifestyles,"
etc.

Thanks!

-- 
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Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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