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From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (M Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Rave and Raves?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu
Distribution: alt
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

Robert Hooker writes
> 
> OK, maybe i'm not very cool and CP and all;
> 
> But what is a Rave or the Raves,  i read about it (he, she, them) all the 
> time and still have no idea what it is all about.
> 

see alt.rave for a sample of rave news

M.
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Ordinary Life in the 21st Century
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:35:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

For those of you unfamiliar with the "Ordinary Life in the 21st
Century" thread, here are the important facts for you to know:

1)  There was an earlier thread under this name which
    contained important concepts, but also included faulty
    information produced by defective reasoning.  This new
    thread is designed to replace that old thread.  When you
    receive your copy of this thread, discard the older material
    but re-use the three-ring binders to hold the new material.

2)  The title "Ordinary Life ..." refers to the fact that the most
    important technological developments (from the point of
    view of the common man) are those which affect the minor
    aspects of daily life.  Bic lighters, disposable diapers, Cup-a-Soup,
    Post-It notes, etc. etc.  Any one of these inventions has affected
    our lives to a far greater extent than the entire output of NASA.

3)  This thread seems to have a strong pulling power for attracting
    the occasional "crank" scientist.  Please ignore them.  It only
    encourages Tom when you respond to one of his postings.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: re:wonder bug
From: lkampf@desire.wright.edu
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:17:16 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Wonder Bug has no name and far, far too many "if's". If virus X is to kill
humans, virus X needs to actlike an organic organism. Mixing organic and
manufactured elements is fine if they work together for optimum perfarmance.
However, that is not the case with Wonder Bug. Wonder Bug is not nearly 
specialized enough to be feasable as an effecient metheod of destruction.
Virus X should be a simple creature of organic and synthetic materials that
can reproduce and, above all, Evolve. That will quickly solve the problem
of a virus that is too complicated for humans to produce. Let it produce
itself. A quickly replicating virus will do just that. Smile, Juan Perot
loves you.
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Hacking (lynch@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:45:50 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:

[regarding a truly ridiculous wannabee post]

> Personally i found it a very amusing post.  I mean NO-ONE can write
> something like that and be serious.  Can they?

Sure, they can.  I ran a BBS with a cyberpunk theme back in 1988, and
you should have seen some of the dreck contributed to the story groups.
The future-tech discussion was even worse!

But I _did_ laugh.... couldn't do anything else.
--
              Villa CyberSpace, virtually yours since 1988
                         roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu
       "In cyberspace, nobody has to clean the hot tub."
                                                       -- me
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: marina@tk.mainet.msk.su (Naumenko M.V.)
Subject: To anybody who is interesting in science
Reply-To: marina@tk.mainet.msk.su
Organization: Moscow Aviation Institute, PDTK
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:51:58 GMT

Newsgroups:
alt.cyberpunk.tech,bit.listserv.bitnews,bit.listserv.commed,bit.listserv.info-gcg,
bit.listserv.qualrs-l,comp.org.ieee,comp.theory,sci.aeronautics,sci.archaeology,
sci.astro,sci.bio,sci.chem,sci.econ,sci.edu,sci.electronics,sci.math.research,
sci.med,sci.optics
          TO  ANYBODY  WHO IS INTERESTING IN SCIENCE
        We apply to everybody who interested in  future  Russian
science; who   would  like  to assist  it  to integrate in World
science society.
        We need information about Funds and other  organizations
who interested in  attraction russian  science organizations  to
research within  the limits active and  plan science proects and
directions of  this  researches   but also about  conditions  of
precipitation  russian scientists   in this proects.  Besides we
would like to know about questions of finance.
        We pin   our hopes on  establishment of interaction  and
development of international cooperation.
        Best regards.                 Marina V.Naumenko
From: gallenba@igd.fhg.de (Jens Gallenbacher)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Ideas for new input devices
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:22:10 GMT
Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt, 6100 Darmstadt


Hi folks,

in this newsgroup have been new ideas for graphical input devices many times.
I work on a report about this devices. So I want to start a discussion, what
input devices we should have in the future. I think we should talk about
devices, which can be realized with the technical and physiological knowledge
of today (no cyberware). However, if your idea is just to slow or to big to
realize today, it's welcome, because the hardware gets smaller and faster.

Please mail your suggestions to me. I will collect them and post them together
with a summary.

I do a survey about graphical input devices in several newsgroups, too.

If you are interested in the results, please remark that in your mail and I
will send it to you at the end of my work.

Thanks for answering in advance,



Jens Gallenbacher

Technische Hochschule Darmstadt
  Grafisch Interaktive Systeme (THD - GRIS)

E-Mail : gallenba@igd.fhg.de
From: rui@r-node.gts.org (Rui M. Pereira)
Subject: Re: Hacking (lynch@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu
Organization: R-Node.Terra.Sol.Western-Spiral-arm.Milky-Way.Universe
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:34:37 GMT

lynch@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (Paul Lynch) writes:
>Is there anybody out there that still hacks or has everybody givin in and
>(God forbid) started buying software.  What happend to the thrill and
>challange of going into CPU's where no hack has gone before?  I'm new to
>this group and BORED to death.  I know a little about editors and want am
>seeking an apprenticeship in security.  Is there any info on ways around
>passwords or on using worms?  I feel displaced in my career and wonder
>whether I should have gone for a comp sci major.

They all decided that cyberpunk was becoming too mellow and on the brink
of being another holla-hoop fad, so they moved to alt.hackers.* ...

If you want info on passwords, try alt.hackers.* or alt.security (?).
For worms, try *.virus.* (or *.gardens.* :).

Why not a specialist in CompSci and Hacking? :)  Wished they offered a
course like that, would result in better OSs ....

-- 
 -=[Rui M. Pereira]=- <g0pereir@cdf.toronto.edu>|<rui@r-node.{gts.org|uucp}>
 A bad sector disk error occurs only after you've done several hours of work
     without performing a backup.       - The Law of Computers -
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: S_BLEYER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Mike Bleyer)
Subject: Re: Hacking (lynch@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:32:50 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Jul20.204808.14655@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:

> Personally i found it a very amusing post.  I mean NO-ONE can write
> something like that and be serious.  Can they?

Oh I wouldn't bet on it. The world out there is full of lunatics.
Shocking, isn't it ?

mike
s_bleyer@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( )
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Rave and Raves?
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:53:19 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1992Jul28.154745.21975@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Robert Hooker) writes:
>
>OK, maybe i'm not very cool and CP and all;
>
>But what is a Rave or the Raves,  i read about it (he, she, them) all the 
>time and still have no idea what it is all about.

A rave is a giant dance party.  Live DJs, much dancing to techno or similar
stuff, etc.  Use of drugs such as ecstasy and LSD is very common at raves.

For more, check out alt.rave.

-- 
Michael Lucas				mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dap@fubar.uucp (Damon Permezel)
Subject: Re: Smart Pills
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:30:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Foo, Bar and Associates
Keywords: smart pills, choline, dmae

I have been taking choline chloride liquid, lecithin, and DMAE on and
off for several years now.  I am sure they vastly increase my memory
capability.  The only problem is that I keep forgetting to take them
regularly.
From: jaguar@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: YABB - DIFFERENCE ENGINE - Spoiler
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:19:31 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

On Wed 22-Jul-1992  4:15a, Jeremy Reimer wrote:
JR> You know, having read this YABB rant about the Difference Engine, I find
JR> myself
JR> (gasp!) agreeing totally!
JR> 
JR> Also, strictly speaking, shouldn't this have been called the _Analytical
JR> Engine_?  After all, *that* device (never completed) was to be the
JR> forerunner
JR> of the modern computer, NOT the Difference Engine, which was a mere
JR> calculator.
JR> Babbage had plans for the Analytical Engine to have a "CPU", memory,
JR> storage,
JR> etc, and this more like the stuff in the novel.
JR> 
JR> Not really a minor point considering they used the term as the novel's
JR> title!


You know, this man is right on the money... 

<grin>
 

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Ralph Neutrino)
Subject: Re: Islands in the Net 
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:40:34 GMT

In article <VFZ8NB2w165w@angus.mi.org> thx1138@angus.mi.org writes:
>
>Yeah, 
>  I could not figure that cover out either.  The main character was
>  a mom, for crissakes! Not some bimbo.  I saw the cover of a hardbound
>  version --they should have stuck withg that. 

My best guess is that it is Reverend Morgan, the disposable character from the
Church.  How do these covers get done, anyway?  Does an artist get commissioned
early on and handed a few chapters early on in the game? 

>The Cyberpunk

There can be only one!  <swick> <thud> 

@Man
-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  G is for Jesus

"We will buy Iron Camels from GoMotion
   Unlimited in Santa Clara California."
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Other Books
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:26:14 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <1992Jul30.030501.247@news.stolaf.edu> knappenp@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>In article <3949@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> layne@pitt.edu (Deborah E Layne) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone else read Pat Cadigan?  She takes many of the themes
>>of Neuromancer well beyond their limits (and with rock and roll).
>>Books:  Mindplayers and Synners.  
>
>Cool stuff.  :)  I also recommend her short stories, the most recent of which 
>was published in Isaac Asimov's magazine.
>
>-PaulK-

There is also an anthology of short stories called "Patterns".  I'm
currently in the first few pages of Synners - so far, so good!


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #1
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:35:52 GMT

Loring Wirbel <lwirbel@igc.org> writes:

>The chronology goes RH #6 with Sun Ra on the cover and a Winter 1988
>date; M2K #7 with Todd Rundgren on the cover and a Fall 1989 date;
>M2K #2 with floating face on the cover and a Summer 1990 date.  It must
>be done to deliberately give librarians/chroniclers headaches.
>Loring Wirbel

Also, I think I was mistaken in my previous post where I mentioned
a Reality Hackers #3. I think it was 3 issues of HF, 2 RH newsletters,
then issue HF #4 which included some earlier RH material, followed
by RH #5 & 6...

RH #5 had the best cover: a painting of male and female astronauts
in space suits doin' the bump...

	-Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL PROSSER)
Subject: c_punk movies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: electric current, erectile tissue, chocolate,...
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:46:00 GMT

>
> 
>    The best film I saw that typified a  Cyberpunk attitude was a French film
>called "La Femme Nikita" or something very close to that.  Not high-tech, no
>corps, no cybernetics, not really even science fiction.  But it had all the
>vigor, fear, violence, attitude, and minimal respect for human life that
>typifies cyberpunk.  Subtitles don't hurt the movie any.  "Victor the Cleaner"
>remains my favorite homocidal maniac.
> ....
>	  Nathaniel Tagg

	YES!  Great movie.  Stop what you're doing and go rent it NOW.
Anne Parillaud is great as a street punk who gets turned into a hit woman for
a secret French agency.  I also thought Victor was a great character:  if
I ever do get my writings published, I'm thinking of taking "Victor Nettoyer"
as a psuedonym (Well, okay, either that or "Miles Moorcock" <-:)
				dylyn
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------  
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Where the hell is the population,
		All quiet for a generation,
	 What ever happened to the human race?
		Can't you see the enemy here is you?"
				1000 Homo DJs,'Apathy'
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@tethys.UCC.umass.edu
From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Illuminati
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:39:16
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab8a.cs.brown.edu

Is _The Illuminatus! Trilogy_ considered cyberpunk?

rodrigo_vanegas@brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: knappenp@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Trent)
Subject: Re: Other Books
Organization: Followers of the Jigging Cat
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:05:01 GMT

In article <3949@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> layne@pitt.edu (Deborah E Layne) writes:
>
>Does anyone else read Pat Cadigan?  She takes many of the themes
>of Neuromancer well beyond their limits (and with rock and roll).
>Books:  Mindplayers and Synners.  
>
>Comments?

Cool stuff.  :)  I also recommend her short stories, the most recent of which 
was published in Isaac Asimov's magazine.

-PaulK-


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From: system@korova.uucp (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:24:43 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
> No.  Would a nation of non-conformists be a nation of conformity?  I don't
> think so.  Non-comformity will always be non-conformity.


from the principia:

"most people will carry flags of either side, just as long as they get to 
carry a flag"...

people will join anything, it happened with the beat movement, the 
hippies, and scarily enough, it happened with disco, too.

if you start looking at who's a conformist and whos not, how can you 
actually be sure that your judgements arent conformist themselves in 
nature? 

does a conformist know he is one? does a true nonconformist realize he 
is?

is there a such thing as the "hip" nonconformist?

and why is it that many psuedo non-conformists seem to think that if they 
dress this way and listen to this and go here then they are being 
rebellious, and such?

why ask why? BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW THE FUCKING ANSWER! ahem. ok. 
terribly sorry bout that.

squid

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Subject: Re: Non-conformism
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:45:50 GMT

In article <geRJlYW00VojI1HEs4@andrew.cmu.edu>, Curtis A Beesun <cbee+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>	But has it occured to anybody else here that this newsgroup seems to be
>turning into the 'ACME GUIDE TO NON-CONFORMISM.'
>It just seems that no matter where you go; there is somebody trying so
>DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
>the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
>	Granted, I have a new-wave haircut and listen to Skinny Puppy, NIN, NE,
>and all of that stuff; but certainly not for the intrinsic value of
>REBELLION or anything of the sort.  
>	I suppose that this is all in response to an article I saw quite some
>time ago about 'exactly what a cyberpunk person is like.'  The 'fight
>the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
>isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?


    I find this one of the greatest paradoxes of alternative lifestyles.  I
have spent two years at Trent University, a place known for its non-conformism,
and encountered the problem there.  I wish to be non-conformist as well, for
reasons that even I don't understand, but it was difficult.
    I managed it by mixing and matching traits.  I am a physics major, but I
hung out with philosophy and english types.  I wear conservative clothing, but
listen to Ministry and Skinny Puppy.  I do not have a new-age haircut, nor do I
wear Birkenstocks.   In short, I have an appearence that is opposite to the
non-conformist crowd, and intrests and attitudes opposite to the conventional
crowd.  The two of these together form style, of which I think I have
succesfully formed an atypical amalgam.
    The other solution is to weird EVERYBODY else out; personally I don't have
the imagination to alter my style in such a radical way as has never been done
before.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:40:36 -0400 
From: Curtis A Beesun <cbee+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Non-conformism

	I would like to preface this messagage by noting that this is not a
flame at anybody in particular.  I enjoy the science fiction that the
cyberpunk movement would seem to revolve around. . . as well as the
attititude. . . music. . . etc. . . 
	But has it occured to anybody else here that this newsgroup seems to be
turning into the 'ACME GUIDE TO NON-CONFORMISM.'
It just seems that no matter where you go; there is somebody trying so
DESPARATELY to be non-conformist that they look and act just like all of
the others. . . Isn't that self-defeating?
	Granted, I have a new-wave haircut and listen to Skinny Puppy, NIN, NE,
and all of that stuff; but certainly not for the intrinsic value of
REBELLION or anything of the sort.  
	I suppose that this is all in response to an article I saw quite some
time ago about 'exactly what a cyberpunk person is like.'  The 'fight
the standard' attitude seems to be the primary trademark.  Therefore,
isn't 'adhering to CP culture' an oxy-moron?

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	Just by definition, half of the population is of 
	below average intelligence.                =;^('
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: The Difference Engine
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:29:55 GMT

olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:

|The prosecution requests of the Court to sentence Mr. Gibson,
|Mr. Sterling and Bantam Books to refund all royalties, fees, service charges,
|and any other income from the sale of this book to the readers and bookstores
|who were unknowingly conjoled into purchasing this waste of pulp.

|Dr. Forbin

Well, "Dr Forbin", imho you win the award for dumbest post of the day.
Too bad _Difference Engine_ doesn't fit into your plan for Gibson and
Sterling's writing career.

If you wanna get mad at a publisher, write to Dell because of the
way they cut %75 out of R.A. Wilson's Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy
reissue...

	-Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: CP Music
Keywords: Music Rap
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:55:26 GMT

In article <1992May4.180043.10601@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bdl50755@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Corwin) writes:
>I am interested in why nobody in this newsgroup has even considered rap music
>to be CyberPunk.  In the sprawl now this is what is played.  You don't here 
>any heavy metal or pink floyd et al in the gehto.  Anyway, I am just 
>interested in what all of you out there have to say.


   I don't know if it would be fair or correct to bill any particular music
form as "Cyberpunk". That would almost be the same as equivocating a race or
hairstyle to being "Cyberpunk". Also, what's a widely accepted musical form
in one country isn't necessary popular in another. I'd say that it's the
diversity of different cultures that creates what people seem to imagine as
being "Cyberpunk".

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