From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang [somewhat long]
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:14:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Apr10.033728.21663@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>against religion". If I have gone through this discussion, it's because
>I care about you; you are not a threat to me. There are people like
>Shahrokh Mortazavi on the net, who try to compensate for their lack of
>knowledge and logic, by making a clown of themselves. 

no my dear zafar.  the dubious post of clownhood has long been claimed
by you, the Seal of the SCI Circus, by the blessings of your MRIBTYR (tm)
(my-religion-is-better-than-your-relgion) articles.  keep the
desparate flapping of your flippers going and continue to entertain
us!

and dont ever, ever forget that it was _your_ decision, following your
utter failure to convince people of your beliefs that you resorted to
personal attacks, a challenge in which you failed even more miserably.

and speaking of knowledge and logic, ive never claimed to know my 7th
emaam from my 8th emaam.  and given that i work with computers and that
im currently leading two groups of engineers in codegeneration and
advanced optimization, then gee, i must have _some_ amount of basic
logic.  so here we have a person who is not anti-religion, who is a
moslem (by birth), a seyed from both sides of the family, understands
logic, and you _still_ fail to gain any ground with him.  i should be
lunch for you!!!  now why is that?  so either you are quite bad at what
you do, or, the message you try to convey carries no weight.  i
acknowledged, long before you showed up, that the essence of eslaam is
that of a great religion, and that religion in moderation is fine, etc,
etc.  so it must be _your_ pushy and insulting approach to permeating
your version of eslaam that is the underlying problem.

have you _any_ idea how many potential recruits on this net you have
forever turned away from eslaam???  i dont think you have.  to so many on
this forum, you epitomize the religious fanatics who have dragged iran
into its current abyss. >>> everyone, please post a message if you, on the
merrits of seyyed's articles about eslaam, are now considering joining
it, or becoming a more active member. <<<

you tell kamran you care about him.  well i care about _you_ seyyed,
as much as it may be hard to believe for you.  the underlying 
message in all my posts (something which you have completely missed),
is that your approach does _not_ work.  and allow me to tell 
you why: as long as you intermix and interject your _own_ego_ into
your arguments, and you handle disagreements so poorly,
you will forever continue to fail.  our bahaayee friends, for whom
ive gained enormous respect during the recent debates, can teach you 
a thing or two on this.

and speaking of knowledge, last night i finally remembered to bring
my dictionary in and give you a quote from it (since you like quotes
so much!).  read this and _weep_.

a while back there was a dicussion on how various words in farsi
and english have the same roots, or sound the same, etc.

i wrote

>             FArsi                          Farangi
>>-------------------------------         ----------------------
>            bad                              bad
>            piyaade                          pied, pedestrian, etc
>            lab                              lip
>            salamandar                       salamander
>            setaare                          star
>       1)   amorzesh                         mort, mortuary, etc
>            ^^^^^^^^                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>            abroo                            eye brow
>       2)   es'haal                          speed reading
>            ^^^^^^^                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>shahrokh
>            
>             

which brought you out of hybernation, and without any provocation
whatsoever, you restarted your attacks:

>1) Khodaa nayaamorzad aan kassi raa ke be to Faarsi yaad daad.

well seyyed joon, if you dont think the words amorzeedan, amorzesh, mort,
mortuary, morgue, mortal, amortize, etc are related, then read this
and _suffocate_:

	Amorzesh: Az peeshvande "A" be-ma'neeyeh "bedooneh va bee" be
	ezaafeyeh "marz" be ma'neeyeh "marg" ke az massdareh "morzeedan"
        be ma'neeyeh mordan ast tashkeel yaafteh.  Vajehaayeh "marg" va
        "modan" neez az hameen vaajeh ast.  Hamcheneen vaajehayeh "mortal",
        va "immortal" va "morgue" va ... va ... engeleesee az een 
  	reeshe ast.

dont worry seyed, i wont hold my breath for an apology, your ego is much
too inflated for that!

oh yes, and regarding 

>       2)   es'haal                          speed reading

you said:

>2) There is a proverb which says: "Before saying something, turn it
>   seven times in your mouth".

which once again shows how dense you are and how preoccupied you are
with your sadist, melodramatic,
lets-get-together-and-cry-and-just-be-unhappy version of eslaam.  say, is
there a law in your version of eslaam against humor too?  im convinced
that god has a great sense of humor.  he created you afterall.  in fact, im
sure you didnt even get the underlying joke.  here, let me put it in very
simple terms so you'll understand:

	ess'haal 			      speed reading ('reed'ing)
						     

look up fe'le reedan.  you know what _that_ means (you do it a few
times a week on this net), or do i have to quote the dictionary again???

man, this is a _heck_ of an effective way to relieve yourself from 
work pressure! thanks seyyed!!!  

and i do like you, i really do.