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From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Subject: Re: Bits.
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:57:25 GMT
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On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:29:00 EST Alec D. Plotkin said:
>I recently read somewhere that Ken Olson retired as president of DEC.  It
>brought to mind a quote of his that actually makes me wonder why he didn't
>retire in 1980.
>
>        "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their
>         home."  (Ken Olson, President, Digital Equipment, 1977)
>
>Perhaps this also explains the underwhelming presence of DEC in the current
>home computer market. :)
>
   Even more so, would be the DEC decision (presumably his, ultimately)
to market the Rainbow....I know, as I used to have one....paying 9 kilobucks
in 1984 for one with a TEN mb hard disk, 640k, etc.....but they ran
both MSDOS and CPM....Dec was unwilling to gamble on which way the market
was going in the 1982-84, and there were a number of CPM machines around
then....but they were wrong, and it had a DEC price, not a consumer price....
so it never made it.  I bought mine cuz it was the campus standard, etc....
A month after I bought they discontinued it...oh, well.....win a few, lose
a bunch.....

dan
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 99 and 44/100 percent pure
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> <sigh>  Y'all are making me feel guilty about enjoying one of life's
> small pleasures.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Natalie, I too throw those fragile little pieces of soap away and don't
feel one bit guilty about doing it.  All of the cutsie suggestions about
things to do with them (collect and melt down for liquid soap, collect and
put in a sachet bag to scent dresser drawers. . . ) don't appeal to me,
but I enjoy seeing other people's pleasure in doing those things.
Doris
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Posted on 7 Oct 1992 at 06:04:11 by (karsten)
>> Dear Mr. Karsten:

Huh?  They can't tell *your* first name from your last name either?

Karen
who is sick of being asked "Karen Kay *what*?"
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      hackers
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A week from tonite at 9pm mdt (and central, i assume, and ten on the coasts)
nbc news Dateline show will be all about hackers....how they do it,
what, why, etc.....doubt it will be that exciting, but .....

dan
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:30:54 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>So, Rashmi, Natalie... Yours got red velvet also?
>
Will all of you hotshot special eastern females please let us lame
western males know what the hell these damn things are?  Doubt that we
would get into any coveting, but.....

curious.....

dan
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Re: First Pre-Goat-Roast Gathering
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If you have any good goat recipes let us know..Love goat.
We've served it to our friends more than once...But I love new
ways of cooking it.   Marilyn
From: MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Michael E. Macmillan)
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>Could you folks pretend that today's my birthday?  I am hugely in need of
>cheery words and positive vibes.
>
>neal

Cheer up, Neal.  It's Friday, after all.  Think about this: There is
probably more sunshine in Pittsburgh today than there is in
Honolulu.

Aloha.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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>>     would YOU lend YOUR money at 9% to someone who might ormight not
>> graduate and might or might not get a real job  (gee, think of all those
>> english majors driving cabs, right?) and might or might not be itnerested
>> in paying back the money?

rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
> And btw, your description of the English grad hardly
> describes *anyone* I graduated with.

They've been lucky.

I know somebody with an MA in English Lit from U Chicago
who has spent the last two years teaching remedial composition
part time at two community colleges.  She made $700-$1000 per
class per semester, with no benefits.

Teaching five classes both fall and spring semesters she grossed
just under $9000 a year.  She also worked for $4.50/hr + 1-3%
commission selling jewelry at Montgomery Wards nights, weekends
and summers trying to scrape up extra cash.

--karsten

(But those two years have really paid off; I just heard she has
 lucked into a $17K/yr lecturer position with medical coverage)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Explosion & game question

As of this morning, the explosion Emily reported was an explosion
in an oil refinery, and as of this morning, the fire department was
still attempting to control the fire.

"SimCity" is a great game.  If Emily, or anyone else, buys it,
the rest of us will probably know it by the sudden drop in their
postings to words-l.  I own it and every once in a while stay up
way too late playing it.  I can also vouch for A-Train, which is
a cross between SimCity and Railroad Tycoon.

Steve Karlson

Build hotels on every space!
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>will actually have some time to stop and visit along the way.  Hint,
>hint.  My plans are currently up in the air (I do not even have a

Well, if you don't mind going about 1500 miles out of your way (each way),
come on down here and I'll take you to the dog track.

-abh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      one down, 74 to go

Having set myself a goal of a minimum of 75 wedding anniversaries (with the
same person), and as today is the first of those, I thought I'd take this
opportunity to tell everyone what a great year it has been (having already told
Heidi so).  I actually can't believe it's been a year.  Looking back over the
weeks approaching the wedding, they seemed to zip by and yet crawl.  There was
the tragedy with Eric and his family that some may remember (the 22nd of
September will always have some sorrow attached now, along with the good times
of it being my birthday), and there was the exciting time of getting the last
minute plans from paper to action.

**side note**
Eric is doing pretty well.  He's back at school and will be starting his
graduate program in the winter.  He still limps a little, has not regained the
full use of his right hand and his speech is still a little slurry.  However,
he says his hearing is better than before the accident which, given the fact
that he's a music major, is of some benefit.  He can play the sax almost as
well as he could before and his composing has not suffered a whit.  That is of
no small import.  He could write music and words like no one I've ever known.
He very possibly has a job starting in the spring with Walt Disney World as
their composer (or a composer?).

**end side note**


The plans came together and we were married and I've not regretted a minute of
it.  Using my own parents' marriage as a benchmark, I did not think marriage,
or any relationship for that matter, could be so fun.  It is fun, frustrating,
exciting, rewarding, maddening... I guess it's love and I wouldn't trade it, or
Heidi, for all the money in the world.

Chris
From: ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Bill Merrill)
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>  Stats themselves are rarely misleading, but
>their interpretation is always subject to distortion.  To take a single

Quite true, Marty. But I don't think Perot was manipulating
statistics when he held up that graph showing our government's
4.1 TRILLION dollar debt,a stat which Bush and Clinton take great
pains to avoid, much less confront.

Actually I thought that Perot's talk was impressive, except when
he indulged occasionally in Japan-bashing protectionism.
Bill  "I'll take 1950 dollars any day"
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
--stuff deleted--
how things work.  Btw, I can assure you that whichever version of the figures
is real, the tax won't hit me.  :-)  Nor will it hit most people in the
academic world -- except administrators.
--stuff deleted--
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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What makes you think 'administrators' are so much better off?  I'm not.

JAG
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>postings Bayla has seemed a very thoughtful person....but
>there is something more afoot here.

Simple: Bayla gets respect because she has never mentioned that her mother
is on this list and then deliberately refused to name her.

-abh
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
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>Ausbrook, caught in yet another factual and logical error, cavils:
>
>   >This is getting as bad as the campaign--*I* didn't quote from the
>   >book.  I think it was either Jim Thomas or John Williams.  I
>   >merely reacted to the bit that was put out which, you are quite
>   >right, it would now appear, lacked an important bit of context.
>   >I am always happy to be corrected by more information- :-)
>
>Ausbrook made explicit claims about Gore's position, and your previous
>posts indicated that you accepted the accuracy of a given quote that
>is demonstrably wrong.

The quote was not wrong.  The quote was precise.  And yes, I certainly accepted
it--I was only responding above to Natlie's saying that *I* produced the quote.

>Gore makes no such claim in his book as you
>(and others) attributed to him that I can find.  Perhaps I'm wrong,
>and more careful readers of Earth in the Balance will find it. It's
>also worth pointing to the lists paralogicians, such as Ausbrook, that
>calculating a cost and holding a given tax-paying body responsible for
>the cost are not quite the same thing.

The U.S. paid for the Marshall Plan.  Gore suggests a global Marshall Plan.
Gore says the Marshall Plan cost 2% of U.S. GNP--100 billion based on today's
U.S. GNP.  He doesn't say that a modern global Marshall plan would cost 0.5% of
U.S., German, and Japanese GNP.  Why is the percentage of U.S. GNP relevant if
the U.S. tax base is not contemplated as the source.  Excuse me for giving Gore
the benefit of the doubt by assuming his book was not a collection of random
remarks.
>
>Ausbrook previously sniped to Marty:
>
>   >Read it again.  READ.  I believe you said you like your proof in
>   >writing.  It's there to be had.  Watch less TV.  Your brain might
>   >return.
>
>Your credibly might rise if you followed your own admonitions.
>
>Jim (why read when quayle can summarize for us?) Thomas

I should not have sniped, even out of frustration.  The rest stands and goes
double for you.

-K

-Mka
From: gtoal@IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: The VP Debates.
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:27:53 GMT
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In <199210141404.AA27530@mailhost.tue.nl> dated Oct 14, you write:
> >We saw the whole thing, though it overlapped with Prisoners (oz prison soap)
> >so it probably lost all of its audience to that after a couple of minutes.
>
> Re: showing the debates live in UK
> Makes sense the Brits would want to keep up on who's going to be telling
> their government how to run itself for the next four years.
>
> -abh

Didn't I mention that that was the slot reserved for stand-up 'alternative'
comedy?

G

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From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ((Natalie Maynor))
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Subject: Re: Double modals
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> Last night during the debate, Natalie reminded us that double modals are
> standard in Southern U.S. English.  What is a double modal?  A construction
> like "we might ought to" or "we may should have"?  Which candidate used
> them?

Right.  Clinton said something like "might could."  I don't know why I
even noticed since I hear double modals regularly, but for some reason I
did notice and wondered whether people in other parts of the country might
would find it odd.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

P.S.  I don't think "might would" is common.  In fact, I'm not sure that
I've ever heard it.  I'll start listening for it.
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> of the new American Heritage dictionary in which the words _spucky_
> was mentioned as a regional variant (I guess it's a bulky roll).

> is confined to Boston's old Italian neighborhood, the North End.

> Rkessler@rcn.mass.edu

Rod,

When I was in high school in Roxbury, we had spuckies quite frequently.
At least in that neighborhood, at that time, they were submarine sand-
wiches...heroes...you know, spuckies.

Rita L. (way behind but feeling the urge to talk anyway)
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Subject:      Re: Clinton's letter and stuff

>But it needs more sexual content, I think.  Just my opinion, of course.
Mine as well.  Does it help if I tell you than e-w#1 is a drop-dead-gorgeous
Natalie Wood lookalike whom, if she gave me the slightest <hint> of encourage-
ment, I'd be all over like a duck on a junebug?  (I, unfortunately, resemble
my conductor tocayo...)  As a sidebar, you superannuated voyeur, 8-), when
she first came to teach at the college 20 years ago (!) I really gave her the
cold shoulder as I [mistakenly] assumed that anyone who looked like that
couldn't have either a brain and/or a personality.  Okay, I was wrong.
>Why have you waited so long to do this?CROSSTALK - XVI
DAMN!  RUTH!  Where's my clean line???
Because I'm shy.
>                                               More!  More! More!
Okay, Uncle Giggles.  Last night I took e-w#1 and her friend, a six-foot-tall
blonde Penelope Keith lookalikEW Mexican Mexican foodEWNEW
Mexican oh shit...
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Butt Plugs

> A butt plugs is simply a dildo for your ass.  For reasons of safety
> the base is flared to prevent the entire object from going in.
> Anal toys may either be inserted and left alone (for the feeling of
> being "filled" along with pressure on the sphincter) or moved in and out.

Boy, isn't the modern era wonderful?  Here, I always thought "stick it
where the sun don't shine" or its more vulgar variants was an insult.
Now I find out it might be a proposition.

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave 'em
From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
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"Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815) writes:
> Boy, isn't the modern era wonderful?  Here, I always thought "stick it
> where the sun don't shine" or its more vulgar variants was an insult.
> Now I find out it might be a proposition.

Only if you think "Fuck you!" might be one too.

--karsten

(I've been argumentative ever since I watched the butt plug, er, VP
 debates twice last night.  I got caught up in the patriotic fervor
 and can't stop acting vice-presidential.)
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Subject:      Re: Clinton's letter - skeleton? - nah...

Greetings,

I'll probably vote for Clinton, but only for two reasons: George Bush
and the Supreme Court.  I'm not convinced that Clinton has any firmer or
better principals these days than Bush has.  His pandering on the capital
punishment issue is a disgrace; likewise his pandering to the jewish
vote on the Palestinian question; his failure to strongly address any of
the serious foreign policy issues that face us now (what does Bill
think about federal treatment of Haitian refugees?) is disturbing; his
willingness during his term as governor to play games in central america with
his National Guard units suggests he will -- no surprise, I guess --
continue to operate out of an antiquated imperialist frame of reference.

Still, he is pro-choice.  I'd like to know why it is Bush thinks government
requirements that firms offer safe workplaces are an unacceptable intrusion
into a sphere where government doesn't belong, but thinks government
should be able to regulate a woman's decisions about her own body.

Marty
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>love, judith, who doesn't, either

Judith!!!!  How are you?  How are your children?  How's your plumbing?
*I MISSED YOU!*

Karen
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The trip to the 'Burgh was fantastic ,but the beer I had at the ball game
was Iron City and I thought it tasted awful. It might have been a bad keg,
but I did not enjoy it. The only consolation was it was cheap.

later

alec
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (63)

It's been a while since I've been gleaned! :-)

> 29) John Seymore/Bruce Herschenshon (Emily)

John Seymour replaced Pete Wilson as one of California's senators when PW
became governor of California. He was a state senator, I think, before Pete
hand-picked him to take his senate seat. He is up for re-election this fall
and is facing Dianne Feinstein, former mayor of San Francisco. Seymour is
a conservative Republican, except when he knows a more liberal stance will
get him votes (witness his waffling on the abortion issue).

Bruce Herschensohn is running for the seante seat being vacated by Alan Cran-
ston - his opponent is Barbara Boxer. Mr. Herschensohn is one of the most
right-wing politicians you will ever meet, as I think I pointed out in the
"Women in Politics" post. I shudder to think what will happen if he is elected
to the Senate, but this is unlikely, as Boxer has something like a twenty-
point lead over him in the polls.

Wouldn't it be something if California sent two women to the Senate?

Emily
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> I can see the "regulars" on this list are probably
> still in college. I graduated with my MBA six years
> ago. You'll grow out of your narrow minded mostly
> liberal way of thinking. But the only way you can do
> this is to think for yourself.

How long have you been lurking to make this extremely astute observation?
I'm certain the many conservatives on the list (and there are many) will be
delighted at being labelled "narrow minded mostly liberal".  That remark is
about as accurate as your other observation about the regulars being in
college.  Do professors count?

BTW, is that an oxymoron up there?

rashmi
(certain that others have rebutted this, but I couldn't resist)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: All aboard AUStrak (was gas tax)

Carolyn, you don't have to be <cut> by my comment.  It's just that Albury
was the gauge-break station at which all through passengers had to change
because each of the Australian states had built its railroads to a
different gauge.  If memory serves, "All Change Albury" was the most hated
expression in Australian railroading.  So I was sceptical that you
and your charge would be inconspicuous *at Albury*, where all had to
change.

One aspect of Australian railroads that I like is, your trains look
like trains.  None of this pipsqueak, 4-wheel car, 13 foot vertical
clearance, hydraulic transmission stuff.

Steve Karlson

Swift of foot was Hiawatha ...