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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: The Aga Khan III, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:04:44 GMT


		Gallery of Freedom fighters
		---------------------------
		
		Sir Sultan Muhammad Shah, The Aga Khan III
		===========================================

	He was the hereditary spiritual leader of the Ismaili sect.
He was born at Karachi and succeeded to the Imammate in 1885. He was a member
of the imperrial legislative council from 1902 to 1904. In 1903 he became
the president of the reception committee of the All-India Muslim Education 
Conference and presided over its Delhi[Dehli] session in 1904. In a 
meeting with the Viceroy Lord Rippon in 1906 at Simla he, as the leader
of the Muslim delegation, suggested a seperate electorate for Muslims.
From 1906 to 1912 he was the President of the All-India Muslim League.
He also convened a Hindu-Muslim unity conference at Allahabad[U.P.]. 
In 1911 he raised three million rupees for the Aligarh Muslim University.
In 1921 he was appointed the Vice Chancellor of this University[A.M.U.].
He was president of the All Parties Muslim Conference 1928-9.
In 1930-33, he was chairman of the British Indian delegation to
the round table conferences. In 1932 he suggested a pact of
minorities which facilitated the announcement of  the communal award.
He became a privy counciller in 1934. He represented India in the 
assembly of the League of Nations in 1932 and in 1934-37. He ws the first Asian
to have been elected the president of the League of Nations in 1937.
The Aga Khan died in Switzerland and was burried in Egypt.

P.S.: From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
	by Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

P.P.S: The house he was born in  still stands on top of a hill in
	what is now Defence Housing Society in Karachi.
	His grandparents had been pushed out of Iran during
	Qhaachaar rule. They ended up in Sindh where later
	Britishers knighted them and gave them the title Aga Khan.
	Sometimes Ismailis in Subcontinent are refered to as Aghakhaanees
	and mostly found in Bombay, Pune, Surat, and Karachi(after 1947).

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio 
August 1992.
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: FZ, a legend leaving us...
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:42:31 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA


	The Rumor is true......

Farrukh Zafar is returning to God's country...  A legend zipping
through our lives.....   He will be missed!!!

I, among other SCPians, male and femails ;-), wish him all the best!!

-Rukhsana [beyond words....] Merchant
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
From: mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:16:05 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

Patri,


You were linking Pakistan's victories to their umpires. That's what
sore losers do. Ok so I was wrong to generalize all Indians. But you
sure are a sore loser.


Manoj
From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Hockey
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:54:57 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

>bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
>: Hi,
>: 
>: I read in the newspaper that Pakistan won 1 medal on the Olympic Games.
>: Congratulations to the hockey team but isn't it bad that they won
>: this medal against favorite Holland? And even with the help of the
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: referee? Pity...
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

whine whine whine. FYI Pakistan beat Holland twice.


waseem
>
>: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>: Bart-Jan J. Bouwers       | phone:    +31-80652551      |   |\  |\
>: Dept. of Computer Science | internet: bartjan@cs.kun.nl |   |/_.|/
>: University of Nijmegen    | bitnet:   U055025@HNYKUN11  |   |\ ||\
>: The Netherlands           |                             |   |/ ||/
>:                                                               /
>: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>:  "Quit dreaming this is real life baby,                       
>:  Real life is the only life what's it all about" - Simple Minds
>: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
-- 
Waseem A. Siddiqi                                 Tel:    (416) 922 1937 
SCO Canada                                        email: waseems@sco.com 
Toronto, Canada                                        uunet!sco!waseems
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmad@seas.gwu.edu (Aftab Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.211332.3204@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.151031.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Did you hear the title of Woody Allen's latest movie??
>> 
>> Its called 'Honey I slept with the kids'
>> 
>> Well maybe polygamy isnt all that bad, at least it prevents 
>> slezoids like Mr. Allen from acting out their fantasies on 
>> their kids

	Fantastic logic. How about allowing women the
	right of polygamy to avoid many from acting out
	their fantacies on their and their neighbours' kids.
	And if you have heard of cases of intra-family orgies,
	how about allowing ... give me a break.

	Why don't you stick to your faith as faith.
>> 
>> jahanara
>> 
>> 
>
>Disagree! Polygamy is BAD so is Woody Allen.
>
>regards, 
>
>-Naveed
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bosnia: Another Spain? (The need for urgent Muslim Action )
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:53:11 GMT


One Mr Zfar Minhas sent the above request to following newsgroups:

    soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.afghanistan,
    soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.india, soc.culture.asean,
    soc.culture.yugoslavia, soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.african


>>In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benificent
>>
>>Assalamu'alaikum:
>>The war in Bosnia rages on. Tens of thousands of Muslims have been
  ( long winding message deleted ...)
>>we live in to do more for the Muslims in Bosnia. 
>>A few suggestions for possible actions are:
>>
>>   1)   Send donations for Bonsia to any major Islamic Organization in 
>>        the U.S.  ICNA and ISNA are among the many organizations who are
>>        trying to gather funds for Bosnia.
>>   AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
>>
>>   6)   Remember your Brothers and Sisters in Bosnia (and in other parts of 
>>        the world like Kashmir , Algeria, Somalia and Burma ) in your prayers

( The situation in Bosnia is really very very bad and unimaginable
brutality has been done by both sides on innocents citizens belonging 
to other side of ethnic devide.) 

Though above steps may help, but, I think, muslim "brothers" in Bosnia will 
be better served by sending 200,000 soldiers from country like Pakistan- a 
great islamic power that maintains over 800,000 muslim soldiers and reserves.
I am sure that 200,000 muslim soldiers should be sufficient to defeat an 
army of just about 40,000 to 50,000 serbian army of christian "brothers".
Condemining serbian agression is not sufficeint.

What is the use of maintaining such a big muslim army, if muslim "brothers" 
are sufferring terrible brutality in the hands of non-muslims "brothers".
Please write to  prime minister and presidents of Pakistan to send
army to fight in Bosnia and save the life of muslim "brothers".

No flame please. 

regards,

bkumar alias b. khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: qs@haithem.cray.com (Qasim M. Sheikh)
Subject: Re: Pakistan send troops to Somalia via US aircraft ?
Reply-To: qs@haithem.cray.com (Qasim M. Sheikh)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:59:50 CDT


In article <1992Aug14.151325.29361@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:
|> I just heard over CNN that the United States is assisting the deployment 
|> of Pakistani troops to Somalia this morning.  The update was in the 
|> form of a "newsflash" so there was not much more info.  Does any one
|> have some light to shed on this or is this some slip of the tongue 
|> on CNN's part ?
|>

Yesterday I heard on the public radio that the UN troops are being deployed
on the port city (I forget the name).  It turns out that this time the peace
keeping force consists mostly of Pakistanis.  This is my rewording of what I
heard.  It does not seem to be a slip of tongue.  Perhaps the news is not
important enough to get much coverage from US media.
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: <None>
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:30:49 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

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From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.india
Subject: Urdu music CD's
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:49:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Does anyone know if there are mail order catalogs for CD's
having Indian/Pakistani music?  Many of the Indian/Pakistani stores
in the area don't seem to have a steady supply of they claim is in
stock and their collection and prices vary as much as the 
temperature!
I was particularly looking for CD's of Mohammad Rafi, Ammanat Ali Khan,
Farheeda Khanum, Mulkah Pukraj/Tahira Syed, Munee Begum, Iqbal Bano,etc.
If anyone has any names and/or addresses of organizations, I would
appreciate a response!

Thanx
omar.farooq@att.com
From: r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-)
Keywords: duke
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:56:43 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

>Subject: Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-)

> vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>
>In article <TcTDPB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com> r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po) writes:

>
>>and i dont know of any first-class CS/EE school that will hire its
>>own graduate (it is considered too damaging to the pretige of a good school)
>
>This is not true...i can sight two of many examples here:
>
>1) Dr. Yaser Abu Mostafa (an egyption) was accepted as faculty  by
>   Caltech after his Ph.D in EE.
>
>2) Dr. Charles Seitz (now at Caltech) was accepted as faculty by MIT
>   after he completed his B.S, M.S, and Ph.D at MIT in EE.
>

 Thank you vu0208 (or should I say Mr./Ms. ! ) for the correction. But what I
meant was hiring a FRESH PhD. Of course, they do not discriminate against
their own graduates if they go out for a couple of years in industry, other
schools or research labs etc. Are you sure the persons you mentioned were
straight out of school without any outside post-doctoral experience?
I know, a faculty member in EE/CS Syracuse U was offered this position even
before completing his PhD (unofficial word, that is). Yes I find 
"school ratings" quite meaningless for most practical purposes and know
many top researchers in many not-so-big-name schools, but
still, I hesitate a bit comparing Syracuse with (say) Stanford. Mainly because
of the difference in the AVERAGE quality of students getting in (i have CAPed
the word "average" so any ONE person should not mind my generalization).

by the way, i really admire people for their accomplishments...
for instance, i was a fan of my cousin when he passed F.Sc exam
in pakistan.....but sometime feel that things should be taken 
in right proportions (what is "right" for someone can be left as
an interesting exercise to the reader).

but as i said, i may be wrong.....

-r3po              

PS: r3po, vu0208, ...what next?  i wish our parents had access to S.C.P
    so they could run ads like "looking for male/female baby names" 



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
r3po@spectrx.saigon.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@cco.caltech.edu (Asim McDuff Mughal)
Subject: Re: Inquiry about (Allama?) Mohammad Asad.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:49:40 GMT

In article <26442@life.ai.mit.edu> smst71!goofy.onf (Omar Farooq) writes:
>
>        I would appreciate if someone could inform me about the latter life
>of Mohammad Asad,i.e. after his conversion to Al-Islam especially his last
>days in Gibraltar.I would really appreciate this information.
>        If you know of any book which addresses this question ,please let
>me know.
>-----------------
>Around what era was Mohd. Asad around? or is around!
>
	I remember there was a nice long article on Mohammad Assad, is life
	and his books on the network. It was posted on S.R.I about month or
	so ago and it also appeared in a newsletter over the network. If you
	send an message to the editors of the newsletter at MUSLIMS @ ASUACAD
	they might be able to pull it out for you. Or if you are familiar 
	with LISTSERVs you may be want to retrieve it directly from 
	LISTSERV@ASUACAD.

	Regards,

	Asim Mughal
	[Standard Disclaimer]

>
>
>=========================================================================
>Omar Farooq                               INTERNET:   omar.farooq@att.com
>FAX: 908.805.7230                              ATT:   somerset!smst71!onf
>OFF: 908.805.2458                            LOCAL:   onf
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>


-- 

Asim M Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
From: ellialtiog81@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Boston and Istanbul...
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:34:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello,

I am planning to spend a week at Boston (from Monday August 24 
through Sunday August 31).  I need someone to host me during this
time.   

In return, I will be more than happy to host you at Istanbul, Turkey
(my home-town!) on mutually convenient dates during (say) a winter
or summer break or some other time. 

If you are interested in this proposition, or would like to discuss
it further, please get back to me at your earliest convenience.

Sincerely yours,

-Masood
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:20:45 GMT

    Oh boy! You are new to computers???? 
    Are not you the fellow from CMU, who had nothing to do one year
    back, who posted ten one-liners everyday somewhere hidden in
    the quoted statements. Are not you the obnoxious paki, who 
    vomitted anti-india venom every now and then. You were sick
    then, and you are sick now.

    Raja 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:13919 soc.culture.bangladesh:4620 soc.culture.iranian:7279
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:55:16 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug21.163826.30471@davidsys.com>, merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
> IMHO, a woman is not suited to a relationship with more than one husband.
> It has to do with the way a woman loves, but I will stop here, since it is
> more of a personal opinion. 
>> 
> -Rukhsana Merchant

A second point is that men are not able to deal with past relationships
of women, no matter their own past relationships.  It is not in man's
nature to share his wife with another.  

The obligations and duties may not be identical but they also best
suit the nature of each of the sexes.  Trying to say that Islam is 
sexist because something given to one sex is not given to the other
is not correct because there are benefits given to one that are
not given to the other and visa versa.  They have different obligations
and rights but there is equality.

-Rukhsana Merchant 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:13942 soc.culture.indian:28840
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Date: 20 Aug 1992 08:46:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug20.032353.4750@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:

>	History shows that the area of sub-continent is volatile and 
>is more likely to disintegrate in smaller states. The on-going uprising in
>Kashmir, Assam, Punjab, Tamil Nadu should be of greater concern than laying
>any other territorial claims.

Along similar lines Sind,Baluchistan and Pakistan Ocuupied Kashmir.

But how can we forget the biggest of them all -- BANGLADESH.



Samit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faheem2@vccsouth07.its.rpi.edu 
Subject: Independence Day
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:46:01 GMT



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 From:

      PakSA (Pakistan Student Association)
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Mild warning
Summary: upbringing in Pakistan
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.202831.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
> I dont understand either.  It seems to me that the readership of SCP
> is obssessed with discussing Islam in its varied forms and sects and
> how it is superior to other religions.  What amazes me even more is 
> how so many of you are always ready with the right hadith or koranic 
> text to solve matters.  I'll have to discuss this with my parents
> because my Islamic education pales in comparison. Growing up, I dont 
> recall any chai parties or dinners where the major topic of
> conversation was "Correctness of Quranic text" or "Shia-Sunni;which is
> better.  I'll have to assume that the lot of you grew up discussing 
> this at home and never came to any conclusions at home so thought
> you'd try the SCP participants to clarify matters (ofcourse there are
> also those of you who want to clarify matters for others- ).  Well
> what if there are some very insightful SCPians out there who can solve
> all; and one day every one can come to a consensus that Sunni is
> superior to Shia ; or that Ahmadies are not "the Real thing", as they
> say; well what then ???   Dont you realize, you'll all run out of
> topics to discuss...this is just a warning, take it for what its worth
> but I strongly suggest you all discuss Islamic matters a bit less,
> lest we run out of things to say :-)
> jahanara

I agree with some SCPians have incredible tilt towards right.

I was brought with lot of open-mindedness. Islam was not a matter
of everyday discussion. As a result, all my brothers and sisters
have somewhat different attitudes to Islam and religion and we all
live peacefully together. A very heathly sign.

regards,

-Naveed
From: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:43:10 -0600
Reply-To: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Bt3vMx.EKz@ecf.toronto.edu>, obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.160657.3041@memstvx1.memst.edu> self writes:
>>In article <Bt2Bw3.MED@ecf.toronto.edu>, obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF) writes:
>>> In article <8eXP2O600VogAF4Wpz@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Pakistan will never make a complete break with India.
>>>>After all their cricket team needs somebody to beat :-):-)
>>>>-arun
>>> 
>>> 	C'mon Arun! You know better than that. Pak. does not need a 
>>> cricket TEAM to beat India.....Wasim and Waqar are enough. :-) :-)
>>> 
>>> Arif
>>> 
>>       Trying to be modest, eh? You very well know that it takes just
>>  ONE Paki umpire to do the job.
>>
>>  Patri Rao
> 
> 	Take it easy, Patri! I was referring to sending W&W to India to
> play against Azhar & Co. :-) :-)
> 
> 	Heck, in Pakistan, Galee(street) cricketers are enough for the Indian
> cricket team.:-) :-) :-)
> 
> Arif

      So you would require the services of"W&W" to play in India whereas in
      Pakistan, the Galee cricketers are enough. Pray, why two different teams
      to play against the same team? It's anybody's guess-the difference in
      umpiring decides the result. That's exactly what I was saying my friend.
      ONE Paki umpire is as good as the Paki team.:-) :-)
     
      Stay cool, Mr. Arif.

      Patri Rao

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:46:34 GMT

khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
: 
: 
: 		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
: 		===========================
: 
: 	Pakistan International Airlines( PIA) published 
: a diary on The Golden Jubilee celeberation of Pakistan Resolution
: in 1990. Along with lots of stuff on the history of Pakistan Movement,
: it also contained profiles of some of the freedom fighters.
: I hope to post these articles on S.C.P for the benefit of its
: readers all over the world.
: 
: Mansoor Khan
: Cleveland, Ohio.
: 
: P.S. The diary talks about following people,
: 
: 	Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Hasan Ali Effendi, Mohsin-ul-mulk Mehdi Ali Khan,
: Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk, Sir Sultan Muhamad Shah( The Aga Khan III),
: Maulana Obaidullah Sindhi,  Maulana Shaukat ALi, Maulana Muhammad Ali( Johar),
: Hakim Ajmal Khan, Navab Salimullah( of Dhaka), Maulana Hasrat Mohani,
: Maulana Zafar Ali Khan, Chaudhary Rahmat Ali( who gave Pakistan its name),
: Dr. Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Maulvi A.K. Fazlul Haq(Sher-e-Bengal),
: Chaudhary Khaliquzzama'n( who was elder brother of famous Dr. Salimuzzama'n
: Siddiqee of Pakistan), Sir Abdullah Haroon, Navab Bahadur Yar Jang,
: Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy, Raja Sahib of Mahmoodabad( Amir Ahmad Khan),
: Khwaja Nazimuddin(2nd Gov. Gen and 2nd Primeminister of Pakistan),
: Navab Muhammad Ismail Khan, Sardar Abdur Rab Nishter, Allama Shabbir Usmani,
: Ms. Fatima Jinnah, Begum Shahnavaz, Lady Haroon, Liaquat Ali Khan,
: and Mohammad Ali Jinnah( Quaid-e-Azam).
: 
: ==

There are two notable ommissions from this list:

Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad (2nd Khalifa, Ahmadiyya Movement In Islam)
He led the Kashmiri Independence Movement for afew years before Partition.


and 

Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, First Foreign Minister of Pakistan appointed
directly by the Qaid-e-azam. He was also an emminent Judge, serving for two
sessions as the senior Judge at the International Court Of Justice. He was
also presented of the U.N. General Assembly for one session.


Off course, their ommission has got nothing to do with the fact that they were
both Ahmadi Muslims! I guess there must be some other reason.

-Nadeem Malik

p.s. No flames will be responded to.
From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:00:43 GMT
Subject: Re: FZ, a legend leaving us...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server