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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Clash Review: The Worst Clash in TBS History
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Eric writes:

>      Actually, I wasn't "called" on this more than twice.  Many people
> posted that they agreed that this was a Clash all-time low.  I have to
> stick to this opinion; 5 of the 7 matches were * or worse, and two were
> total DUDs.

I agree. It sucked for the most part. I was totally disappointed in the
Pillman/Armstrong match. It was a screw job for the fans. This could have
been the match of the night, but instead it was a WCW time killer. Nepo
Boy and his match sucked simply because he was there.

>     I can't agree here either.  The Sting/Rude match was awful (save one
> dive onto the guard rail by Sting).  Basically, it was two guys moving
> in slow motion, hugging and sitting on each other for a minute or two at
> a time.

It was slow. It was as if they were working the clock. I knew it would go
the time limit when they announce the judges. They should have let match
go the limit and then tell everyone that it was going to the judges
scorecard. This wouldn't have spoiled it for me and a few others.

The thing that sticks out in my mind about all this was how we saw what 3
months ago Watts was putting down. Remember how he campaigned against
gimmickry and voo-doo (WWF references), but what we got was a bogus boxing
match, some footage of arm wrestling, and a battle of the sexes. We all
know Madusa could kick Pual E's ass, so they should have spared us, and
shown a real match like Pillman/Armstrong. 

Mike
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: THINKING LOGICALY abot Perfect/Savage
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:50:11 GMT

In <1edbbrINNn1q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes:



>and the clasic.....

>I-snt  R-atundo  S-tupid!!

HEY! I *saw* that one on last year's Survivor Series tape!! Was it yours??

Michael
From: rjackson@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Darkman)
Subject: Stuff that should not be on this newsgroup
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:23:45 GMT

Reading the news today I have seen many articles that should have been mailed
to people instead of being posted to this group.  This is a wrestling news group
not a flame news group.  If you wish to flame someone, mail them! Don't post your
flame over this group. 

To people flaming the SWF... all wrestling is fake anyway so what is wrong with
a fake federation with its own fake matches.  At least it has some resemblance
to wrestling stuff which is more than what can be said for all this flaming.
People Get with it.

Darkman
May the vermin from the depths of Hades arise and vomit on your eyeballs!
From: kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Chrispy WVR : Great American Bash '89 - Glory Days
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:48:48 GMT
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In article <1992Nov18.014333.13346@zip.eecs.umich.edu> macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
>In article <83819@ut-emx.uucp> chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios) writes:
>>
>>
>>8) Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk
>>
>>   This was a great match.  The interference at the end was a disappointment,
>>   but this one goes down as a classic.  A must see.  Bring back Funk.
>>
>>   ****
>>
>
>Was this the one with the Funk & Muta vs Flair & Sting post-match brawl?
>
>-- 
>Dominic Macika
>
>"Thanks to the Interstate Highway System, it is now possible to travel
>from coast to coast without seeing anything."
>			-Charles Kuralt

Yes. I just rented it last night solely to watch the Flair/Funk match. It
reminds me of all the stuff I miss about the old NWA. They didn't show the
entire post-match brawl on the tape (they did on the Sat. WCW show in '89),
where, after Flair and Sting turned their backs for a second time, Funk ran
back down the ramp and chaired Ric with a non-folding plastic chair. All 4
men promptly got into it again, ending when Flair nailed Funk for the
umpteenth time with the Double-Cross Ranch branding iron, and Sting twirled
Muta around by garroting him with a velvet barrier rope.

That, along with the Adams/Sting-Taylor/Gilbert UWF post-match brawl, is one
of my favorite "pier-six" escapades, and the immediate post-match interview
was priceless.

Flair to Sting: "I haven't said 'Thank You' to anyone in ten years. Thank You.
WOOOOOOO!!!"


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From: b706zbh@utarlg.uta.edu (Darin Brown)
Subject: Jake Roberts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:31:00 GMT

 Did anyone know that Jake Roberts has checked into the Betty Ford clinic for
 alcohol and/or drug problems. YES IT'S TRUE!!!!!
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Clash Review: The Worst Clash in TBS History
Keywords: Horrible, Horrendous, Embarrassing, etc.
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:52:55 GMT

v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:

>   Just finished watching the Clash on TBS, and I am totally disgusted
>with WCW.  This was the worst CoC ever, and though I still don't want to
>see interest in WCW drop off to nothing, if it did it would be nobody's
>fault but their own.  There is no doubt that at least two of the matches
>were intentionally booked to be lousy, which I'll get to in a second.

I would say the worst one still has to be the Trash XIII from Jacksonville
on 11/20/90. Of course, tonight's wasn't good either.

>    Match 4: Simmons and Walker vs. Atlas/Barbarian/Cactus.  Simmons shows up 
>with a different partner.  At first I thought, "Are they so hard up they can't
>even get *Robbie Walker* to show up?"  Then I saw the guy work.  UNBELIEVABLE!
>He did a dive over the ropes onto the heels outside the ring a la Liger.  Then
>he was doing all kinds of wild flips and spinning kicks that occasionally missed
>the target but were great to watch.  He pinned Atlas after doing an absolutely
>positively remarkable complete flip onto him.  He faced frontward on the top
>rope and did a complete flip like a high diver does (holding his knees in)
>so that he landed on Atlas's stomach.  That move is easily the equal of
>anything Liger has ever done.  It's better than the moonsalt.  Flame away, but
>there's no denying the guy was amazing.  After the bout, he said his name was
>Stone Cold Scorpio, or something else silly.  But OH MY!  He's very green, but
>he was still great.  Wow.  Everybody sucked except this guy.  Rating: *** for
>"THE MOVE" off the top rope.  Scorpio blew a couple moves, but some of the
>others were remarkable.

He studied the wrestling in New Japan under the name "Scorpio."  He was in
Mexico for UWA recently as "Black Scorpio."  Now you know why he's good.
I hope he won't stay in WCW too long because Watts is gonna waste his
potential with another racial stuff.

Agree with you. We all were wrong being glad when Watts came to WCW. He's
doing much worse than Frey, who didn't know shit about the biz.
-- 
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University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
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From: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Update (with a Ja
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 


To: eoates@us.oracle.com

EM>A side note: Mean Gene mentioned Pepper Gomez twice on the Event Center from
EM>Oakland Channel 2 during consecutive week's Superstars!  I used to watch him
EM>programmed against Ray Stevens during the early sixties.  Anyone know what ol'
EM>PepperBelly is up to?

He still is a small time actor in Hollywood.  Last thing I ever saw
him in was the Rockford files 5 or 6 years ago.
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: History of Japan
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:36:22 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:

>HT>6/2/83   Hulk Hogan beats Inoki in an "accident" to be the first IWGP
>  >         heavyweight champion.
>One of the early signs of Bollea's tremendous ego.

As I repeat many times, Hogan has to lose to Inoki if Inoki EVER has
his retirement match. He has to pay what he owes because he would never
be that popular without Inoki.

>HT>7/16/88  Brody dies after being stubbed by Jose Gonzales(yes,our most hated
>  >         wrestler!!!) in Puerto Rico.
>Mine too.  I hope when Gonzalez juices someday in a WWC match, he bleeds
>to death.

No, not that way.  I was hoping Onita would bring him to Japan. I could bet
Gonzales would get assassinated at the Narita Airport on the day he'd arrive by
LOTS of the loyal Brody fans. Then, Onita would be crying on the interview,
"I wanna thank all the Brody fans who got arrest and went to jail for their
courage to kill him instead of asking me to do that..." We can still ask Pogo
to "invite" him to the Land of Wrestling.

Perhaps, we can ask Baba to book a Egg Dome main event "Handicap Cage Match
with no time limit draw: Jose Gonzales & Carlitos Colon VS Stan Hansen, Tony 
Atlas, Dutch Mantel, Jimmy Sunuka, Kevin & Kerry Von Erich, Jumbo Tsuruta, and 
Berzerker with Dave Meltzer as referee and Barbara Goodish as ring announcer."
Of course, losers have to have 45 seconds with whoever wanna participate from
the audience.

A total inside joke...

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University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Lotsa news
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

REL>>   I realized that fans pay good money and should be allowed to yell and
   >>   scream at the characters, and it is fine if they do so.  However, the
   >>   character, Macho Man, made no public announcement that he and Elizabeth
   >>   were divorcing and it is, again in my opinion, in poor taste to abuse
   >>   someone about something that is obviously personally painful to him.

REL>Actually, I was looking at the recent issue of the WWF magazine in Hollywoo
   >today and in the first section, there is a "note" from Savage stating that
   >and Elizabeth have divorced.  Said he didn't want to keep anything from his
   >fans.  Now I suppose that everyone, marks and kiddies alike, will know what
   >we've known here for a long time.

Pooh, is that what your nickname is?
Anyhow, I did not know that they published that in WWF Magazine, as I
can honestly say that I don't read it.

Since it was, the question becomes whether it is morally OK for someone
to make fun at someone's personal pain.  While it is not my idea of a
cool thing to do, at least a case could be made now, since the
information became public.

REL>I just wonder why Vince would admit something like this, since he tries to
   >everything else a secret.  Aside from the almighty dollar, I just speculate
   >that he was doing this so people would feel sorry for Savage and go see him
   >and...oh wait, that still deals with his pocketbook, doesn't it?

Either that or to piss Liz off>  Don't forget how popular she was.

REL>In homage to the great urn,
REL>The Grand Pooh-bah

Are you really a member of the Royal Order of Water Buffaloes?
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From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Tapes?
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:39:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.22NOV199223394140
Reply-To: sean@freds.cojones.com
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

In article <1992Nov15.174005.14606@nrao.edu>, phart@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Paul O. Hart) writes...
>Quoted from dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  in <4109.137.uupcb@ssr.com>:
>-> . SLMR 2.0 . I [] My Dog. I [] My Cat.
>->
>What the HELL does that .sig mean?

It's a BBS thing.  It says "I Love My Dog.  I Club My Cat."  The
characters between the brackets are high-bit character representations
of the heart sign and the club sign (from playing cards).  Since they
are high-bit characters, you may or may not be seeing them in the
article, depending upon how you conduct your individual mode of Usenet
Reality [tm].  And since they are high-bit characters, their presence
may possibly crash some people's terminals, though I haven't had any
problems (I did have some problems reading RIME stuff from IDS for
that very reason, though).

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From: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Superstars
Date: 17 Nov 1992 05:06:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-28.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov15.163944.8748@alf.uib.no> larsm@ii.uib.no (Lars Magnus  
Nordeide) writes:
> In article 1e3nhtINNa47@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu,  
cumminje@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.edu(James Cummings) writes:
> >In article <Bxpw56.9CE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>  
fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  
> >(Joe Fipp) writes:
> >>   Next week: If Bret wins tonight (nod, nod, wink, wink, say no more)  
he  
> >will
> >> defend his title next week against (GASP) Virgil.  
> >
> >This match was taped the same night as Saturday Night Main Event.
> >
> >James
> 
> Well?  Don't keep us in suspense. Who won?
> ;-)
> 
Hart of course.

James
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Brody's Murder
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

EMC>    OK, here's a good time to ask: exactly what is the complete story with
   >this situation?  Brody was stabbed to death in a locker room by Gonzalez,
   >correct?  And wasn't Atlas going to bring the final testimony but refused?
   >It's a been a long time since I tried to sort this one out.

Jose Gonzalez stabbed Brody to death in a locker room at Bayamon
stadium.  From what I know, Gonzalez, in his role as an executive in
Capitol Sports which is the parent company of the WWC, was resentful of
Brody dictating how he would be used.  He was also personally resent of
Brody's popularity.  The night of the murder, Gonzalez told Brody he
wanted to talk to him and they went into the shower stall, for privacy.
It was then that Gonzalez, one of the world's true chickenshit lowlives,
stabbed and killed Frank Goodish.  Brody could have lived, except for
some mysterious reason (read Puerto Rico is a scumbag country), the
ambulance took 45 minutes to get to the Stadium, which was at most, a 10
minute drive.  In essence, Brody bled to death.  The doctors said they
could have saved him if he was attended to promptly.

In a fashion typical of what a lowlife, scumbag, third world country
Puerto Rico is, the police did everything possible to hide any eveidence
and make it impossible to convict Hoser Gonzalez.  I know for a fact
that at least two American wrestlers that were there were threatened to
not testify.  I know that Dutch Mantell, who did not see the murder,
would have definitely gone down and told what he knew except that the
lowlives in Puerto Rico did not send his subpoena to testify until after
the trial had happened.  Since their was no one there to refute Hoser's
claim that he stabbed Brody is self defense, he was acquitted.

I can't speak for Atlas, but all of the US wrestlers were issued death
threats if they appeared at the trial.  Since they got away with murder,
who could be sure they would not get killed if they testified?

If I offend any Puerto Rican people out on the net, I apologize.  My
venom is really directed at the people in power done there who are so
corrupt.
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From: mk009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ([Matt Kaufman])
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Perfect turns!
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:00:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <visser.722054060@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>In <BxvGIL.Ixr@acsu.buffalo.edu> v069qryr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Aaron T. Breen) writes:


>+> From what I remember, Curt Hennig was a face early on in his career. Back in
>+> the old AWA days, good old Curt was involved in quite a few feuds, but then
>+> turned heal to face Greg Gagne, and eventually grab the AWA title away. He's
>+> been a heal ever since, but he was exceptional as a face early on. I say that
>+> he should go face, I never did like his heal angle.

>	In the opinion of some people anyway, it was Greg Gagne that was 
>the Heel.  Little Gregge turned on Curt at the ten-team tag team tournament
>I think.


So sorry here, but it was Cool Curt who floored Gagne with 2 hay makers that 
resulted in Gagne getting pinned, it was passed off as an "accident."\

This led to Henning's eventual turn.



>	Before that, Henning had Scott Hall as a tag partner for a while.
>I never really thought much of him in the AWA before his turn.  He was
>just another wimpy face without a personality (ala Brunzell, Martel, 
>Zumhoff, Zenk....).

>	After Curt turned, he won the title from Bockwinkle in the
>imfamous "roll of dimes" match.  In his early heel days, he was "cool"
>Curt Henning and his gimmick was his eyegear.

>	He lost the title as part of Vern Gagne's attempt at empire-building.
>The triple allence of the proto-USWA, the (nominally) Von Erich WCCW and
>the Gagne AWA were going to try and have a unified champion.  Since the
>Jarretts had financial leverage over the Von Erichs at that point, there
>was no way that anyone but lawler was going to be champion and that
>the grand title unification match would be between the Von Erich and
>Lawler.
>	That left Curt (and the AWA) with the humilation of losing the
>title to lawler in Memphis.



Matt
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From: 900667c@ace.acadiau.ca (GERALD RICHARD CAMERON)
Subject: Nick Kiniski
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:36:25 GMT

Back when I was first getting into wrestling, I was watching a Canadian WWF 
syndie which featured matches from Boston Garden.  One time there was a 
match featuring a guy named (I think) Nick Kiniski.  This guy was cut like 
Rude, and could do some flying.  I don't remember if he actually had a work-
rate worth mentioning, but he stood out since he was from Vancouver (a 
fellow Canadian!).  Does anybody know what he's been up to since his stint 
in the WWF?  Thanks.

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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: Wrestling Superstars
Keywords: I forgot 2 things
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:05:56 GMT

In article <By2vs7.EFx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
>The Update was brought to us by the Survivor Series 
>program, whose cover had the Ulimtate Maniacs (Macho Man/UW) and
>another picture of Flair and Ramon.  Wonder if they have it chagned by 
>Wednesday night?

The program is already on newstands, and I doubt they'll print up a
different one just for the people attending live.  If you happen to
see one, it's good for a laugh because of all of the changes that have
happened so far.

The Survivor Series has always had a history of last-minute card changes,
but I thought they'd get around that this year by changing the card to
more of a normal format, one that didn't require as many wrestlers.
This year, however, it's worse than ever!  By all rights, Flair and
Undertaker should also be out, and they would be if Vince was at all
interested in giving us quality matches.  As it is, both of them, and
probably Perfect too, will plod slowly along, doing little to no wrestling
so they don't worsen their conditions (or lose their insurance money).

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From: conan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Macho Man and Elizabeth
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:05:59 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

I thought that Macho Man and Elizabeth had been married since the early
80's. The match made in heavens was for our (WWF's) benefit. 
So why the seperation on the grounds that Elizabeth did not like the
travelling.
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From: rdickel@cs.strath.ac.uk (Robert A Dickel IE91)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WWF Survivor Series on IRC?
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:45:30 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: rdickel@simpson-01



Is there going to be anyone doing the Survivor Series live on IRC, for
us poor British folk that have to wait until the Thursday night to see
it ... I believe this was done before ? Am I right ?

And how many other people hope the Perfect face turn is a setup .. I
sure do! Certainly though Vince has very little left now after firing
Slim Jim and the English (oooooh!) Bulldog ..

And whats the news on Da Mountie .. I havent seen thim work a syndie
show for a while .. is he fired .... what happened ?

Bobby
     (Heenan)


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