From: hani@morris.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: slaves.gif: INFO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:02:06 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@morris.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Jul23.092420.27720@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

[....]
>Hani, even if one should be careful about they way one pictures other people,
> this does not mean that one can not, and even if it is dne ironically, point to
> the wrongs someone does.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding here.  When you talk about cultures
you provide the good and bad, the beautiful and the ugly, the published
and the hidden, facts and only facts.  I am sure EileW that you, as a 
linguistic agree with that.  So far, EileM is posting one cheap shot after
another, with the goal of putting down Arabs, their culture and their
heritage.  Now if he, you or anyone else wanted to discuss slavery in 
Sauidi Arabia, then it is an open forum and I am more than happy to participate.
But when Mr. "Elie Arafat Hijazi" :-) here is composing his gif files and
figure captions from books that share his same goals: hitting at the
soft belly of the Arabic culture, and making it falsely look as bad as possible.

I might disagree with you, but if you provide, like you said, documentation
about any issue, you might enlighten/covince me (although never happened yet:-))
But so far you and worse ElieM made it a full time job on the Net to show
how "BAD" the Arabs are, and indirectly the Arabic culture.  Now, when was
it the last time EileM posted something good/tastefull about anything.  We
have been trying to make it clear to him and others that any BASHING of any
group will not be tolerated, either by pointing out the false accusations,
or by responding to the point clearly.  But I am not going to start a
kindergarten school for his sake...A KID IS A KID...

> Note that neither the Bible nor the Qoran has abolished slavery. St. Paul
> actually advises a slave to return to his master, while he at the same time
> asked the master to treat the slave well.
>
> THe question is Hani, slavery has been abolished only lately in Saoudi Arabia
> (I don't remember the date, but maybe you could provide it for us). It is also
> "known" that this is only done on paper, and that slavery is a problem in
> Saoudi Arabia.

on this note (Slavery), I think ISLAM was the only religion that states clearly
against slavery, by Hadith, example, and practice.  I can see from a social
perspective, that it did succeed to certain extent.  If we examine the Arabic
Countries where a mix of races (e.g. North Africa) exist, we can notice how
equity, harmony and brotherhood exist between them.  Compared to Europe, USA
and other western countries(who started slavery in a full scale effort for 
economic reasons) it is even less evident.  It is a matter of sacle.  Slavery
existed through out history, from white slavery which still exist till now, to
racism, to ethnic prosecution...If you point is that SLAVERY existed, then
tell something I do not know...

> 
> NOw maybe you could provide us with information that refutes such claims. I
> have sources that I can quote if you want, but intead of screaming rape or
> wolrf every time someone says something that you don't like about somebody,
> maybe you should tell us why this person is wrong.
> 

That discussion is of interest to me.  Thus, I do not care to collect any
sources.  Discussions with someone who uses a book written by a KOKO during
the Natzi Era is not a fruitfull one.  But I enjoy watching him "masturbate
his brains out" to come up with idoitic gif image.  That is not discussion
on a topic but rather a one sided dialogue with a deaf and ignorant person.

> Yes if ElieM makes a claim he should sustain it. I will get you sources that
> provide info about this issue.
[...]

Again Eliew...I know we disagree most of the times, but at least you showed
interest in hearing others.  THAT IS DIALOGUE.
> 
> elie wardini
> 
-HANI
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