HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cdelaney@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuck Delaney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about Cynthia Clawson?  David Maddux?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:05:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: Cynthia Clawson, David Maddux

Rest assured there is at least one other fan out here in r.m.c land.  I
haven't heard anything about Cynthia for a while and would be likewise
thrilled to hear of a new project.  I discovered her when I was the "lucky
caller" in some giveaway at the local radio station, and they sent me the
tape for my good fortune.  (I don't even remember if I was calling to win
the thing; I might have just been calling for concert info or something.)
Anyway, the cassette I received was _Hymnsinger_, and I fell in love with her
voice, and with David Maddux's arrangements and playing.  I was also fairly
impressed with her writing on the title song and "Then I Saw You".

So I bought _Carolsinger_ when it came out and wasn't nearly as impressed,
but when _Words Will Never Do_ appeared I decided to give her another chance.
It was certainly different from the _*singer_ works, with a healthy dose of
upbeat songs that wasn't present in the other two albums (because of their
nature, I realize).  It took me a couple of listens to get used to, but I'm
now almost as happy with _Words_ as with _Hymnsinger_.

What I wonder about is whether her music prior to the _*singer_ albums was
like _Words_, or if this is a new style for her.  Again, because of the 
nature of both _Hymnsinger_ and _Carolsinger_, I got used to the more sub-
dued style and was surprised to hear the "pop" stuff on _Words_.  What's
her history?  Someone told me they had heard of Cynthia Clawson many years
ago in secular music.  Did she record before she became a Christian?  Does
anyone have a complete discography of Cynthia's work?

And what about David Maddux?  Who else has he worked with?  Has he done any
solo work?  I've seen his name on one or two choral cantatas that our church
has done.  Does he do more writing/arranging that playing?

Wow.  Long post.  If you've got any info, please post; all us CC fans (okay,
both of us) are dying to know...

-- 
--Chuck Delaney              Health Sciences Center for Educational Resources
--                           T-262D Health Sciences, M/S SB-56
--(206) 685-1178             University of Washington
--cdelaney@u.washington.edu  Seattle, Washington  98195
From: swortzel@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy T Swortzel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New Seattle band:  Soul Food
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:13:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


	Anyone out there from Seattle?  There is a new band called Soul Food.
I don't know much about them, but some of the members used to be in a band 
called Gloria.  The drummer, Paul Muwmaw, is a friend of mine from Dayton,
Ohio.  The only other thing I know is that they are playing out in the clubs.
	If you have heard of them, tell me what you think.  I'm interested.
Also, if anyone has any info on other Seattle christian bands, mail me.

thanks
tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: Michele Pillar on Thurs' Simpsons
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:48:51 GMT

In article <C1DLGD.FDG@ucunix.san.uc.edu> tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) writes:
>Okay, I found this to be almost as weird as the Amy Grant fashionwear
>window display I saw in a mall a couple years ago and MAYBE even a tad

  This I think I would like to hear more about...  

>Thursday's Simpsons ended with Selma (or was it Patty) petting Jub-Jub,

  The title of the episode was "Selma's Choice," I believe.

>the iguana left by their recently deceased aunt, caring for it like the
>child she never saw herself having.  She began singing "(You Make Me
>Feel Like a) Natural Woman." As the credits rolled, the vocals dissolved
>into a more faithful rendition of the song, and the credits read: "Vocal
>performance by Michele Pillar."  Sure enough, it sounded like the
>Michele I remember.  

  And just in case someone missed it, this was a parody of Murphy
Brown.  The birth episode ended with the view through Frank's
camcorder of Murphy cautiously holding her new baby, paralleling Patty
filming Selma.  Murphy sings "Natural Woman" to the infant, only
slightly better than Selma sang it.

>(Who originally recorded that song anyway?) 

  I don't know which version was the original original (before my
time), but Janis Joplin and Carol King both recorded famous versions,
if I remember correctly.


--Raymond Flournoy        
======================================================================
flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: marlatt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stuart W. Marlatt)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:41:38 GMT

In article <mmaccorm.67@fox.nstn.ns.ca> mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack) writes:
>Isn't this the same guy who posted that ridiculous CONTRADICTIONS 
>article?  I don't know if he just doesn't know what to believe, or if he 
>is just a trouble maker.  Either way, he needs prayer.  NOW!

Same guy. The latest post appeared not only here, where it is at least
tangentially related, but also in places like sci.geology. He has a
long history of postings like these, and bizarre pseudo-science posts
in a variety of newsgroups. I have heard that any email responses to
him will achieve no actual discussion, but will trigger several
canned EKANAR (or however that is spelled) responses.

I agree - he needs prayer. He gets enough flaming elsewhere. As
Christians, we can forego name calling and hints that he'll burn
at the end, as if we'd enjoy seeing that. Pray, guided by compassion.
After all, there but for the grace of God go I.

And, to get this back into rMc - anyone know what Isaiac Air Freight
is up to these days?


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Burning burning burning burning                                          
O Lord Thou puckest me out                                                
O Lord Thou pluckest                                                      
                                                                          
burning                                                                   
  --T.S. Eliot, The Waste Land                                            
..............................................................................
s.w. marlatt, <><  &  *(:-)               Prov. 25.2
University of Colorado:                   marlatt@spot.Colorado.edu  492-3939
National Center for Atmospheric Research: marlatt@neit.cgd.ucar.edu  497-1669
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: SysOp@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's reissues?  YES!
Date: 24 Jan 93 09:46:21
Distribution: world
Organization: Narnia BBS


> According to the new issue of Visions of Gray, Mike Roe has obtained the
> rights to the first three 77's releases (Ping Pong Over the Abyss, All
> Fall Down, and 77's) and plans to reissue them on CD in the near future.
> 
> YES!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> JRjr
Awesome!

That's welcome news!  I saw then 2 time in 1988 live and I bought all three
albums before they went out of print.  I can't wait to hear the old songs on
CD!

Jim
--
Narnia  BBS  - serving CoCo OS-9 users since 1988
Fido: Jim Vestal (on OS9 & CoCo echoes) - StG: sysop@Narnia or jevestal@zog
UUCP: uunet!csusac.ecs.csus.edu!citrus!narnia!sysop
????: narnia!sysop@citrus.SAC.CA.US   (may or may not work)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Dance Clubs
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:48:48 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> 
> >it comes down to this: if people are going to sin, they are 
> >whether or not disco music (90's or 70's variety) is playing in 
> >the background.
> 
> I used to use the same logic when I dealt drugs - "gee, might as 
> well, if they don't get it from me, they'll get it somewhere else.  
> Only _my_ drugs are safe and I know where they come from - not like 
> some of that other junk people sell."

i'm chuckling right now. a lot of Christians pull out the drug thing 
when they're arguing a moral issue. that fails miserably when you 
confront those of us who believe drugs -should- be legalized. :^)
[anyone interested in discussing -that- issue should email me.]

so you're not going to get off that easily. (not to mention that your 
analogy was false to begin with, but i got a smile out of it anyway.)

my point was not that we should condone sin. my point was that we 
cannot -prevent- sin from happening. sadly, it will no matter what we 
do. so we shouldn't flinch at providing alternatives just because 
"someone might use the opportunity to sin". someone -will- use the 
opportunity to sin. with human nature that's a given. the question 
is, "is this a better alternative to the other options available?"

if it is a better alternative, do it. at least there will be less of
an opportunity to sin.

jason "Pragmatism? Is that all you have to offer?" steiner

--
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,`                Don't blame me. I voted Libertarian.                 `,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`
From: gt0429c@prism.gatech.EDU (Steve Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Cynthia Clawson -- old albums
Keywords: Cynthia Clawson
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:44:59 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Hello all,


     This is a combination of first and second hand information.  
I have been trying to collect Cynthia Clawson albums for a couple 
of years now, but they are *very* hard to come across.  Cynthia 
released several albums in either the late '70's or early'80's.  
They were put out by secular labels (a couple on CBS, I believe) 
but the music was definately Christian.  For one reason or another 
she released no music for five years or so.  I have heard it was 
due to a lean or some legal problems, but I don't really know.  I 
did write to her manager one time to see if I could get any old 
albums and was told that the masters were "locked in the CBS 
vault".  Sounded touchy to me.  It strikes me as likely that 
"Immortal" was her announcement that she was back in the game.

     Anyway.  Her music in this earlier period was . . . how shall I 
say it. . .   It sounded like it was released in the late '70's or early 
'80's.  :-)  While it sounds very dated compared to some of her 
newer stuff, there are a few really good albums with some 
interesting songs. 

    I have managed to find three albums at used record stores or
garage sales and the like.  I don't have them accessible, so I can't 
give you release dates or cut titles.  Here's what I have:

     In the Garden (1977 - 79?) 
           All hymns.  Pretty dated, but I still enjoy it.
     The Way I Feel (1980?) 
          I really like this one.  The music is slower than her 
          contemporary stuff, but has some well done songs.  
          The theme is her spiritual journey.
     The Finest Hour (198?) 
          A couple of songs on this have almost a country sound 
          to them, if I remember correctly.  I got this one fairly 
          recently and haven't listened to it much (yet).

     I think there are some others out there, but don't know the 
titles.  If anyone has of the album, or lead on the albums, or even 
the names of the albums.  Please let me know.

     Also, for those of you asking about David Maddux, First Call has 
released two popular (and very good) a capella Christmas albums.  
"An Evening in December"  Volumes I and II.  David Maddux either 
worked on the arrangements, or actually sings on the albums.  (I'm
thinking he actually sang.)   And Cynthia Clawson has a guest solo 
on each one as an added bonus.  :-)  I also have an album of David 
Maddux playing his own hymn arrangements, called "Hymnpressions." 
You'll like it if you like George Winston style piano.

     Well I've just about purged myself of every last detail of 
Clawson/Maddux info I have.  If anyone else has any more info, please 
post.  Esp. album title and concert info.

Hope somebody cared.  :-)

See ya,  Steve
gt0429c@prism.gatech.edu

-- 
Stephen Raymond Perkins
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0429c
Internet: gt0429c@prism.gatech.edu
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Releasing an Album/License-Copyright Issues
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:45:19 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

barothwe@pobox.cca.cr.rockwell.com writes:
> If one were to want to release a compilation album of multiple 
> artists, whereby the artists are donating their performance for 
> the project, what needs to be done to satisfy:
> 
>    - The copyright owner of each song (usually a publisher?)
>    - The record company the artist may have a contract with
> 
> What about radio airplay?
> What about retail sales?
> What about BMI, ASCAP, SESAC?

The personal advice is that you'll need to get copyright permission from
each copyright owner for permission to use it.  The whole compilation will
probably be copyrighted.

The legal advice is to find an attorney who specializes in copyrights.
Places to get references would be local recording studios, TV or radio
stations' General Managers (who could probably give you addresses and
phone numbers for ASCAP and BMI).
                         - tom
--
internet     : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu  or  thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home)
             : lapp@cdhub1.dnet.dupont.com (work)
OSI          : C=US/A=MCI/S=LAPP/D=ID=4398613
uucp         : {ucbvax,mcvax,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas
Location     : Newark, DE, USA
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Dietiphobia/Depeche Mode
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:29:07 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        Has anybody besides me noticed the similarity between the drum tracks
on Dietiphobia's song "Bow To The Cross" and Depeche Mode's "People Are
People?"  I happened to have tapes with both songs in my car at the same time
and did an A/B test to see if my suspicians were correct.  They were.
        Plagarism?  I doubt that.  Coincidence?  Maybe.  Litterary reference?
Not likely.
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Humper Bumper Bashmobile, or why does this record exist?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:21:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.aero.org

In article <104305@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.145531.13682@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>>Sure, there's always been people in CCM without much musical talent.
>>(Just as a sidelight, I've talked to Honeytree a few times and found
>>her to be a very nice, down-to-earth person.  She just can't sing.)   
>>I may gripe about CCM, but it's a *lot* better than it used to be,
>
>Honeytree ... didn't she give us that immortal classic, "Humper Bumper
>Bashmobile"?  
>
>Hey, there's a thread.  What are the most *absurd* CCM songs you've heard
>over the years?  Samples welcome.  I suspect "Grape, Grape Joy in Jesus"
>has got to be on a few people's lists ...
>
>
>
>-- 
>The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
>if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu


ok, I have to do this. I have to tell y'all about some of the horrid
demos a friend of mine who is A&R at a Christian record company has had
to endure (A&R is Artists and Recordings - the guy you submit your demo
to if you want a record contract). Now he's very respectful and all, but
one day I walked into his office to find him redfaced and shaking with
laughter - trying to hold back of course. He played me the song. Ok, if
the lady who wrote this is out there, close your eyes. Ok, she swore that
God had given her this for the entire body and that if my friend did not
sign the songs, he would be going against God himself. The first was to 
the tune of that old "Hi-C" commercial, I kid you not, and the lyrics were,

"Hi God! Hiiii God!" etc. 

aaaaAAIIIIEEEEE! I couldn't believe it!

The next one was to the tune of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, but,
mind you, it was FROM GOD DIRECTLY THAT SHE GOT THESE SONGS AND HOW
DARE YOU SUGGEST OTHERWISE! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THAT SHE WOULD *COPY*
SOME HEATHEN!

ok, to the tune of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds:

"Jesus in the sky with diamonds!" "Jesus in the sky with diamonds!"

And the lady was really irate about how he'd better sign the songs or
else God was gonna get him.Sigh. The sad thing? He got stuff like this
every week! 


aaaaAAAAAIIIEEEEE!!

Last I knew, he was living in seclusion.

ALL of this is true! all of it!


aaaaAAAAAOOOOOOOOO! get me out of LA! Quick!

                     --Stacey


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Christian music club
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:22:35 GMT

SysOp@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal) writes:


>What's the toll-free number for Christian Book and Supply?

Their number is 1-800-323-3947.

BTW, where's the FAQ for this group located?
--
Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair)
Subject: Re: MUSIC
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:13:54 GMT

>1) Music is claimed to be an art; therefore, there are questions of artistic
>merit. 

For an interesting, intellectual, articulate, and christian perspective on
'what is good art, what is bad art, how do we appraise art' and similar
questions, I *highl* recommend the following book:

	The Liberated Imagination by Leland Ryken

I sent in the full info on this book to the person who does the monthly
FAQ for rmc.  It will appear there.  I also sent him an exerpt, I hope he
posts it b/c I don't want to type it in again and forgot to send myself a
copy.

danielg
-- 
[-]   They hated me without a cause. (Jesus)
[-]
[-]   When our humanity is in danger, the artistic spirit suddenly lives.
[-]     	(Leland Ryken in _The Liberated Imagination_)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:56:42 GMT

mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:


[more drivel deleted]

Don't you just expect Alan Funt to jump out any second and say,
"Suprise, you're on the NEW CANDID NET."

>                                           Robert E. McElwaine
a.k.a. Alan Funt
--
Noel Estabrook			|	Knowledge without action is like
nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     snow on a hot stove.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Farewell to Juliet: requested info
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:34:16 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel) writes:
>   
>   Farewell to Juliet is one of Christian music's most 
>   promising unsigned acts.  Although labels are rarely 
>   an all encompassing definition of a group's style, 
>   Farewell to Juliet prefers to call its music "Modern 
>   Rock."  The band's musical influences are broad, and 
>   range from secular acts such as the Police, the Fixx, 
>   and Rush, to Christian acts such as the Choir, the 
>   Seventy-Sevens, Adam Again, Chagall Guevara, and 
>   King's X.

now this promises to be interesting. the influences listed seem to
be the archetypes of 2 entirely different genres: prog stuff (Rush,
King's X) and minimalist 80's stuff (Choir, Fixx, Police).

now, i'm a big fan of the latter & positively loath the former, so
this makes me curious. what sort of elements do you draw from each
area? either FTJ will go off in an entirely new direction or it'll 
end up in the slush between two radically different styles.

i'm hoping it'll go the unique route. after all, we can always use
some new music & i'd love to see someone try to reconcile the prog-
heads & me.

doubtful + hopeful,
jason

--
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,`   "...my fellow neuronaughts were all linked up, plugged in, speed-   `,`
`,`  crazed, and increasing the bandwith of love." - carlsoje@umn.mr.edu  `,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:52:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <81280@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>Please save your money, Andy. On all of his albums, Taylor is obsessed
>with finding the elusive hook. (Notice, for example, how quickly the 
>choruses of "Since I Gave Up Hope," "Jung And the Restless," "Svengali,"
>"Blew Up the Clinic" begin to grate on the listener's nerves.) He rarely
>finds the hook, much less the honest songcraft of a well-constructed melody.
>His records are further hampered by the laziest bunch of CCM rejects ever
>assembled in a studio--and that's saying something.

Gee, Brent, what do you really think?  Seriously, just a question.  What
DO you like to listen to?  (BTW, I'm glad Steve annoys you so i was able to
buy your On the Fritz CD :-)  The above rant against Taylor, plus additional
stuff that i deleted, seems rather harsh coming from someone who complains
about Taylor's lack of compassion in his satire.  

Who are these lazy rejects that you rail against?  Look again at the credits
for I Predict 1990.  The band on that album is largely the same people that
are in Chagall Guevara, who you praise (relative to the rest of your post, 
at least...).  If you're gonna rant, at least rant consistently :-)

JRjr

-- 
'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian