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From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Eyebrow Advice
Keywords: Gauntlet, eyebrow
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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Milt Tinkoff asks:
> >Could
> >someone who has an eyebrow pierce please post some info (pros, cons,
> >problems, etc.)?

Carl Devore replied:
> I got my eyebrow done at Gauntlet in New York in March.  I've had 17 piercings
> (9 ear lobe, 3 ear cartilage, 3 nostril, 1 upper lip, and the eyebrow) and
> this is the only one that was professionally done.  This has been the easiest
> healing non-ear-lobe pierce I've had.  It's never had the slightest infection,
> and I hardly even wash it. 

I had my eyebrow done at the Gauntlet in SF at roughly the same time.
And although I thought it was an especially easy piercing at the time,
I did have problems with it down the line.  The piercing itself did
fine for the first couple of weeks, but then the area around the
piercing swelled up really badly.  I ended up puncturing it, and it
oozed continually for almost a month after that before it finally
decided to heal up (I had *just* decided to go see a doctor when it finally
healed.  Sigh).  Since then I've had absolutely no problem with it
whatsoever.  And its definitely a fun piercing; it provokes a lot of
strangled cries from people who aren't used to seeing it.  :-)

> I've
> heard of eyebrow piercings growing out, but this probably won't be a problem
> if your ring is thick enough.

It all depends on how shaped your eyebrow is and whether the piercing
wants to take or not.  It has nothing to do with the size of the ring,
and in fact I would think a bigger ring would grow out faster, since it
would take more skin surface to pierce it properly (i.e. you'd have to
pierce it deeper, making it more likely to migrate).

Mine grew out a small bit after it healed, but seems to have found a
happy place, and hasn't migrated at all since then.  I have a small
(a little less than 1/2 inch) 14-ga ring in it.

It all depends on your body and how it wants to deal with the piercing.
If it grows out, pierce it again, or find something else to pierce.

In any case, I most definitely agree with Carl that this is a piercing
best left to Guantlet-type operations.  It'll be much better placed that
way and much less likely to get screwed up.  
--
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay		                    lemay@sun.com
Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
*********************************************************
From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: gauge and millimetres
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:48:48 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

14 ga = 1.6?
12 ga = 2.1 mm
10 ga = 2.6 mm

those should be about right, although I do not remember precisely.

peace,
-marcel
--
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Tattoos over scars?
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 11:26:24 GMT


No, this is not a question about _choosing_ tattoos instead of scars.
I already have the scars. They're under my cast right now, so I don't
know how bad they are. But I would like to hear about other folks
experience with tattooing over surgical scars.  Thanks!

-- 
Sleepwalker with broken leg seeks bondage top to prevent further injury!
Reply via EMAIL:

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Piercing in Houston, Texas?
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:42:04 GMT

In article <4780NB3w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)  
writes:
>Oddly enough, I got my left nipple done in NYC, and my right nipple in 
>San Francisco. I guess this means that a PA should be done in Dallas or 
>some such. ;-)

nope, your navel in dallas 
    your PA in south america
    your eyebrow in the Canada.
    left hand finger web  in europe
    right hand finger web in bangcok
    i'll let you figure out where to get the guiche :)
--
globally yours,
Lance
Time is just nature's way of keeping everything from happening at  
once--J.Thomas
From: churchk@six-bunny-wunnies-freak-out.uucp (Keith Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tatt Artist in Salt Lake City
Summary: Request for info on Salt Lake City Tattooists
Keywords: Tattoo, Salt Lake City
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:17:22 GMT
Distribution: usa


   ......please deposit another twenty cents for two minutes.......
	
Would anyone familiar with tattooists in the Salt Lake City
area please e-mail their advice or recommendations.  I'm mostly
interested in places to avoid, and recommendations for hygienic
artists who are competent in (tribal) black-work and fine-line.
                  Thanks,
		  --kc--

milnet, arpanet  --  ( churchk@nosc.mil )
usenet           --  ( ...!sdcsvax!noscvax!churchk )
snailmail        --  Keith Church 3671 Dwight St. San Diego, CA 92104
 "the beer's in the mail... no, no wait, the check's in the fridge...
  ah to hell with it, press eject and give me the tape." --anon.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: 78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Subject: As i get older
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:07:00 GMT

		"As i get older"

I've liked the sight of children lately,

As I have kneeled at the parents' tables, the sight of
	their messy, smiling faces fill me with a
		sense of place, belonging.

I've been harder on criminals lately,

As the movie flickered, the sight of the "good guy"
	letting the bad guy go catch one 
		more wave left me
		  angry, cold.

I've felt closer to my parents lately,

As they eat the brunch I made, in honor of my
	father's sixtieth birthday,
		I wonder how
		   I will
		    take
		   care of
		them, when I
	get much older than I am now.


7/30/92
_______________________________________________________________________
Tom Witherspoon, C&C always welcome at 78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
From: hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Vincent
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:12:22 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town
Summary: Rustum Kozain: Vincent
Reply-To: HORNPETE
Followup-To: ANETTE
Keywords: Vincent

From: Suicide Sequence
			III

		Another one for Vincent
		-----------------------

  in a room somewhere
i found your death
toothpasting into the sky:
could i not use these colours
and rub at the moon,
chant bristling flowers
carve potato-hands
against a squared and shaky dawn.

  where the pebbles blossom from silence
can i not assume
a flutter of steel
so that i may warp into my own bed
a smell of yellow
and a taste of metal
blowing through my head?
		29/3/92

Rustum Kozain
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In rec.arts.poems, ddcoffman@acs.harding.edu (CyberDragon) writes:

> 
> Hospitalized
> Killed
> Injured
> 

I found this one interesting and experimental.  I think it
worked well as a free form poem.

doug
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:29:03 -0400 
From: "Kathleen A. Rafferty" <kr22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: variation on a theme of love


I. allegretto

we used to make love:
we would open our eyes and lick each other's souls...

we are no longer a we.

i am no longer the i as when we: my eyes are shut tightly.

i do not know who i am.

i do not know who you are.

i do not know why.

10-27-91


II.  coital bliss
	

the last time we fucked,
your heavy
sneer
cracked my frozen smile.

the last time we fucked,
your sour
(breath)
drowned the life in my tongue.

the last time we fucked, 
your steely
(hands)
carved me into fleshy strings.

the last time we fucked,
your frigid 
feet
melted the warmth in my heart.
 
the last time we fucked,
your rancid 
words
spoiled my soul:

forever 

i wear the stench.

12/27/91

c & c welcome.  Thanks, Kath
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: marek@msel.unh.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: extended choreography / Marek
Originator: marek@mermaid.msel.unh.edu
Organization: UNH Marine Systems Engineering Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:51:08 GMT


		extended choreography
		------------------------------------------------------------
 
		extended choreography, with you her and me
		fantasy?  future tense?
		we will see.  i could lick both of your lips.
		slowly.  i could be entirely casual about this.
		adroitly.  i could maneuver warm meanings into shadows.
		tenderly.  you two could guide me into places of soft
		arrivals.
		jointly.  we would say grace with our communing bodies.
		extended choreography.
 
		i have some sketching to do.
 
 
			Marek Lugowski
			27 January 1992
			Newmarket, New Hampshire
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:23:42 GMT
Subject: Re: The mystery of human life
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems

In rec.arts.poems, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

> 
> >In FACT, women no nothing more than men do on the subject, and if
>                 ^^
> >I am wrong about that, I call on women to change the world.
> 
> Before you go claiming that "women no nothing more" you might want to 
> check to see how much you *know*.

I do not know that much, but I am learning.  In fact, I was merely
contradicting a statement that I believe is axiomatically incorrect.
If you mean to denigrate the typographical error, it is certainly
your right to be that tedious.  I rarely spell check or edit throwaway
prose to usenet.  

There is evidence throughout history that women can be and ofter
are very bloodthirsty and irrational.  The myth of the peaceful
sex is just that, largely a myth.  (in my opinion). 
 
doug
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: casteley@phil.ruu.nl (Eric Casteleyn)
Subject: hold-up
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:43:48 GMT



this coffee smells like a hundred years
I feel like something fresher
a language that is just starting its way in the world

what I want is not to awake with a gun to my head
of a poem that badly needs to be written
I want to hear we've got you surrounded
let the poet go and have some coffee

(mosquitos buzz my sleep away, which I needed
it's like opening your eyes to someone yelling at you
that you thought you dreamt up
you still don't understand what it's about
and feel hurt
that they should be yelling
at you
in your sleep
which is a vile thing to do and clearly
in violation)


    -EJC
From: ieeug470@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Finding Love
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: ieeug470@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: MSU

c&c please...

Finding Love

dining on blood
slurping the clots
gnawing on veins
pulling the heart out
through toes.
soul-whipped
parrallel weavings
twisted threads
decimated mostrocity:
whispering,
"I love you."




Michael...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People can't drive drunk because they haven't learned to drive drunk.... 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:42:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Art Despot
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems

In rec.arts.poems, 78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu writes:

> In article <7710510@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> > Absolutely nothing is wrong with it as long as you do not try
> > to delude yourself into thinking and suggesting that it is art.
> > 
> > What it is is confession or an attempt at group therapy or something.
> > 
> > doug
> **************************
> Well, now we have a judge of what art is....

No no.  You missed the point entirely.  I was not making an
ontological statement about ART in general.  I was merely stating
that I do not consider one little section of the poetry world 
to be particularly artistic.  My scope was much smaller than
your judgement of my scope.

> 
> How nice.

How nice that you can show your disdain by saying, "How nice."

> 
> Tell me, what is your criteria?

I wrote an essay long ago that was quite long and was an
attempt to allow for the maximum definition of art.  It was
quite long.  I will repost it if asked.  If you really
want to see it, I will mail it to you if you mail me and ask
me to.

> 
> Seriously, I'd like to know....

Just mail.

doug
From: larryw@hplsla.hp.com (Larry Whatley)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:48:37 GMT
Subject: 'dry well' poem
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems


               Death of an Artesian Aquifer


          Why does a well run dry, having fed
          a generation with its garden?
          Death came slowly through cracked lips:
          a few parched days, dry tears,
          a spring or two of August-broken promises.

          Patient water born of another
          age no longer tests the grip
          of the wellhead, bursting,
          blinking in the sunlight, dwelling
          in fertile, black rows,
          feeling its way along green vines
          to flesh-warm melons blushing in the sun.

          My practiced hands remember
          the silken patina of the wheel,
          the substance of bronze,
          flash from the parting
          of founder's sand
          worn smooth.

          From time to time I still
          whisper into the wellhead.
          One can hear the hollow journey
          to water far below.


- Larry Whatley
  7/23/92
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Composition
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:14:19 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland


>> 	Remembering only 4' 33".

>How clever!  Your reference to 4' 33" which the composer's name evades me but
>the time amount is the length of the composition in which the pianist simply
>sits for four minutes and 33 seconds and the audience noise makes up the work.
>I think that some poets should work this way.
>sharon

Let it evade you no longer - the wondrous John Cage.
He's done a lot since then that might also inspire poets -
(is this a challenge to RAPpers?)

-m.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: frank@IASTATE.EDU (Frank A Poduska)
Subject: Butterflies speak French
Reply-To: frank@IASTATE.EDU (Frank A Poduska)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:22:56 GMT



  Butterflies speak French

  in some small cafe 
  broken bits of meaning
  whispered quietly to her
  from those fingers

  something he wishes






Random gleanings from:
Liz Haight, jondarr, Tom Boutell, Ralph Cherubini and Bunweasel.


--
Frank Poduska                 frank@iastate.edu
From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: the truly awful category : )
Summary: of human bondage
Keywords: bondage,kisses,O'Toole
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:30:10 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In Contention

When they talk about bondage
Not 'of human bondage'
But where they have, you know
Hi Tech Titanium Handcuffs
And masters in abundance;
Do they mean kisses can be harnesses?
Maybe they dont.
But I do.
Feeling as I do
held still by your kisses.
Perhaps soon I will
Miss you as I miss them(the kisses,not the people silly:))

Does anyone else find kissing (or being kissed) on the mouth
particularly hard to forget? Or maybe one just has to kiss a
lot more and thusly make oneself immune?:-)

Lastly, what is an O'Toole? And how does one go about becoming one?

I have read Doug,Wachtel,Wlod,Ken,Losinger,Gandarr,Sheila,Marek,Marie,
True,and all those whose names I will remember as soon as I have posted
this article :-) so I feel strangely familiar.

Afshan Alam.
I don't have a soul,a soul has me.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Subject: sinking rats (not stinking : ) )
Summary: is stupidity cowardly?
Keywords: ships,cowardice
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:11:47 GMT

Why do rats desert a sinking ship
if they can't swim (oh but people can.
swim you know. i wonder if you have tried swimming
across an ocean in the height of the storm).
And why does that indicate cowardice
and not stupidity.
in the navy.

Afshan Alam.
From: tom@xn.ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems,alt.romance,alt.personals
Subject: Re: love poetry
Keywords: love/heart/soul (...sorry guys)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:59:23 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

In article <5avxryf@rpi.edu> haight@sun.ipl.rpi.edu (Liz Haight) writes:
>
>   just for you, a.s.
>
>he's lovely, this man
>who brings smiles to my eyes
>his reach is kind and gentle
>making me want to hold his heart
>comfort and protect his love 
>yet to be felt
>my instincts so maternal
>so nurturing
>toward him
>that even i begin to feel
>something else
>unknown
>but oh so genuine
>i wish to take hold
>of his soul
>like the potter
>works her clay
>and feel him become
>something he wishes
>to be
>
>
>-- 
>------------------
>Elizabeth           /	Don't pass me by like a stranger ...
>haight@ipl.rpi.edu  \	    Don't leave me here all alone, so alone, 
>		    /		I'm alone ... Talk to me.  [Chris Isaac]
                                ^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^^^^^^^^^

do you really feel alone?
I can send only messages or I can really talk to you.
                    call me Tom-
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:51:21 -0400 
From: "Kathleen A. Rafferty" <kr22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: correction: var. on a theme of love

whoops - it's been some years since private music lessions - the
terminology is a bit rusty...c & c still welcome.  kath

variation on a theme of love


i.  elegy (dolce)

we used to make love:
we would open our eyes and lick each other's souls...

we are no longer a we.

i am no longer the i as when we: my eyes are shut tightly.

i do not know who i am.

i do not know who you are.

i do not know why.

10-27-91


ii.  coital bliss (adagio)
	

the last time we fucked,
your heavy
sneer
cracked my frozen smile.

the last time we fucked,
your sour
(breath)
drowned the life in my tongue.

the last time we fucked, 
your steely
(hands)
carved me into fleshy strings.

the last time we fucked,
your frigid 
feet
melted the warmth in my heart.
 
the last time we fucked,
your rancid 
words
spoiled my soul:

forever 

i wear the stench.

12/27/91
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems

In rec.arts.poems, ddcoffman@acs.harding.edu (CyberDragon) writes:

> 
> She danced despite disaster,
> let it crash down all around,

Not a bad start.  I usually like internal rhyme like: down all around.
Someone once criticized me for it, because it does somewhat remove
the impact of rhyme not to have it only at the end of lines.
To me this is a judgement call though.

> and touched the sun despite the blister
> of its fervent heat.

Fervent heat is too easy.  Look for a metaphor or an image
that can say the same thing if it must be said.
I hope you see that what I am getting at is that the phrase
'fervent heat' would be used by 9 out of 10 beginning
poets if they were asked to describe an adjective quality
of heat.  Usually they would pick things like, 'fervent'.
I suspect if you want recognition,  you will have to look 
for more UNusual ways to say things.

Perhaps Jennifer could say a few things.  I think she
is pretty good at the art of critique.

> Floating on her ghostly feet

Ghostly.  Again, too mundane.  I do not mean mundane as BAD.
I merely mean that it is rather a common adjective.

> she walked above the desolate ground.
> Sadness seemed to cloud around her,
> the smiling face a mask for a frown.

I think that imagery might be more useful here than statements like
desolate and sadness.  

> 
> She drifted amidst the lost---
> let them see her charming beauty---

My comments are being fairly consistent.  Lose the word  "charming".
Find another word.

[rest of poem deleted]

Another thing you may consider is finding the right audience for
your poetry.  If you are absolutely convinced of your quality and
can find nothing to change, then maybe you are just not addressing
the right audience.  There will, of course, be people who like  your
poetry, so you mrely need find the editors who share your taste.
If you want to broaden your appeal, I think there are many things
to work on.

Here is a poem I wrote a long time ago.  I think it is vaguely similar
in tone, and I offer it to you for you to critique and compare.


I Have a Dream
--------------

word knife
    salient           thrust
date rape
in through nape
neck and neck to cortex    
   
     Blood
     Brain
     Barrier

carrier, carrier
razor wire fire
in your lazy, larcenous, lymphatic sys
                                   tem

better believe
'cause i won't leave 'till
(field stripped) 
"freshly clean"
a hOly sheen
            now
            a tool
            honed and toned

YOU are

     de(con)struction

     a       e 
      rm   is 
        s r
         a

     surprised at tides
     of rising blood
     your flooding thought
     flows through fences
     (cages) 
     erected to contain my
     macro-
     phage

Ah, the world, a stage, 
your performance all the rage,
commands all flesh to bend the knee
and bare the wrist.

A wet (con)suming good
                      bye kiss---
then you harvest.



11/91

doug
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:18:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Okay, so you're not a despot...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA