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From: bhattach@dip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: culture x nature
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:56:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.222209.20062@nic.umass.edu> s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (and a thousand battles shall be won..) writes:
>Newsgroups: poster
>Subject: Re: Culture x Nature
>
>In article <1992Aug18.153053.29379@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma) writes:
>>(and a thousand battles shall be won..) writes:
>>
>>> My point is that culture overrides nature in several aspects ...
>>
>>	
>>	The culture that is not in harmony with nature
>>	                 is a false culture;
>>    	and [therefore]
>>	not worth having.
>>	
>>
>>---raj
>
>I agree with you that it is not worth having. Unfortunately you
>can only apply the word false in the sense of misleading,
>since such 'false' cultural ideas and cultures are very much real and
>prevalent.
>
>How to engender culture (in practice) that is in harmony 
>with nature and with all human beings, 
>since we cannot start from scratch, there is always the
>inertia of what the past accumulated into, is one of the most
>challeging problems IMO.
>
>V.
>
>
>				   

This begs the question who is going to determine what is 'false' 
and what is 'in harmony with nature and with all human beings'.
I think that is an even more challenging problem.

We live in a world populated by systems of conflicting cultures,
the proponents of each of which believe their own vision of 
culture to be *the* true vision - 'in harmony with nature etc' .

And they are sincere in their belief.

Think of how this thread (contradictions in the Qu'ran) got started.
We have been seeing an ongoing battle between two alternative   
cultural visions . It is apparent from the postings that the
proponents of each of these viewpoints are very sincere in their
belief in the validity of the viewpoint of their particular culture 
or ideology.

Can absolute judgements be made with regard to culture ?

-Sayan.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: STOP THAT BUGGER.  RIGHT NOW...
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.214156.214@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>Another BTW - Don't marry unless you want to make someone's life miserable
>or she's also a pakoda like you. ;-)
>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.



A clarification :  a `she' cannot be a **** ka pakoda.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: U15084@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:07:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

`ubject:    Help for my friend in Dayton,Ohio

My friend sukumar from hyderabad is coming to study in Dayton since neither
of us knows anybody in Dayton we'd appreciate it if somebody out there would
help him settle down. Any type of help would be much appreciated. So please
do help us.
You may reply to me at the above address.
Khalid Ibrahim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nkg1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (neeraj.k.gupta)
Subject: Re: Indian Embassy...Good Experience
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:54:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.164527.24656@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, root@mital.Berkeley.EDU writes:
!> These days it has become a "fashion" for people to critisize everything
!> which is Indian. I had very good
!> experiences with the Indian embassy at San Fransisco atleast 3 or 4
!> times. Yes, it is sometimes very
!> hard to get through to them, but they were always courteous to me and
!> had finished up their work in the
!> time frame that they mentioned. People will not say anything when they
!> wait for hours in the heat or
!> extreme cold conditions waiting to get a US visa, but will complain for
!> every small thing in the world
!> which goes on at the Indian Embassy. 
!> 
!> I sometimes sympathise with the flight crew on Air India. Yes, there are
!> people who are rude and tend
!> to ignore passangers. But there are also passangers who think that just
!> because they bought an
!> Air India ticket, the flight crew is their private property. I've
!> personally witnessed on one
!> occasion the arrogant attitude of several passangers. 
!> 
!> My point is that we ought to look around us first before we start
!> bashing up others.
!> 
!> Have fun!
!> Niraj Mital


ditto .


My experience with Indian Consulate ahs been excellent.  They have been
more than helpfull.  I had to get endorsment on my wife's passport
for my infant daughter.  The rule is to take the passports of both 
(husband and wife ) but I did not have my passport with me ( this is to
prevent to passports bieng endsorsed for the same child ).  The official
at the consulate was accomodating enough so that I could bring my passport 
late in the afternoon and he would get the work done immidiately.



And there are other such incidents where they went beyond there duties
to help.

Neeraj Gupta



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: khatuka@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Aditya Khatuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Alliance with Indian Company
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:34:43 GMT
Reply-To: khatuka@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Hello netters,

Our company is looking into setting up technological and/or marketing alliances
with Indian company. If you happen to be interested in it or know some one who
you think may be interested in this, please forward this to him/her. For more
details contact:
         e-mail:  Khatuka@rosevc.hose-hulman.edu
         Phone:   (812) 231-5200 x 2512.
         US mail: Aditya Khatuka
                  P.O.Box 3405
                  Terre Haute, IN 47803.

--- A Brief Description follows -----

What we are

A cooperative joint venture of  a leading telecommunication company and an
educational institution.

We function as 

    Advanced Research Laboratory
    Secondary System Integrator
    Custom Application House
    Outsourcing Capacity of Engineering Resources

What we would like in your company

    Expertise in either one or more of the following fields:

        Telecommunication
        Software Development.
        Applied Optics.

    If the company has links with some technical institution such that our
    company's parent institution can establish a complement sister-university
    relationship, it would be a definite plus. This would also provide for

        Distinguished Visiting Professor Engagements
        Faculty Exchange Program
        Student Exchange Program
        Exchanges of Research Teams on Applied Technology Projects
        International Consulting Contracts
        Engineering Services Agreements

Operational Goals of Joint Venture

        Transfer Technology into International Market
        Absorb Innovative Technologies for U.S. Markets
        Provide Lateral Access to Participating Companies
        Encourage Exchanges of Research Teams
        Develop Local Application Engineering Capacities
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:22:26 GMT

In article <memo.578099@cix.compulink.co.uk> dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>Is it still practised and, if so, why?  A complete answer would
>include why the law is not enforced, if that is the case.
>
>I wouldn't have believed that it could still be practised if I
>had not read the article in The Observer two weeks ago about the
>prevention of female children and subsequently found that this is
>a major concern of UNICEF in India.  The fact that India has not
>joined itself to any of the UN conventions that outlaw such
>practises increases my personal concern.
>
>Diane
>dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk

Once in every 2 or 3 years, a case of sati is committed in the Rajasthan 
state of India (note that sati has never been committed anywhere else in 
India after the law against it was passed). The rural Rajasthanis are very 
much like the isolated tribals of the Amazon or the Congo forests who are 
yet to come into contact with civilization. Morality as known to us is unknown 
to them. It is impossible for the resource constrained Indian govt. to 
enforce law in every nook and corner of such a vast country. By the time,
the police reaches the village, it is too late for the victim. So far, in 
most of the Sati cases, the parents and relatives have always been arrested
and charged with murder.

But these arrests do not make a difference to the rural Rajasthani's since 
they simply cannot comprehend why the govt. is arresting them. They consider 
the govt. as some sort of enemies trying to destroy their culture. However, 
this rate of commiting sati is decreasing every decade. Statistically speaking,
the next sati might occur after another 2 years from now. 

The sad part is that the whole of India is condemned for practicing sati
just because a very small minority manages to do it once in a while. 

regards,
Gopal Agrawal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: HELP! (St.John's University students : NewYork)
From: <KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:04:28 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92228.174423KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

 Hi,
     Can someone tell me the E.Mail address of St.John's University. I'm
 looking
  for a friend of mine who is in the Business Management dept. Thanks.

                                                                Sandeep
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Subject: Re: address of Indian embassy
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:33:54 GMT

In article <Bt8IM8.9JJ@news.udel.edu> chandra@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
>could someone mail me the address and phone number
>of the Indian embassy at washington
>
>thanks in anticipation
>my mail address is 
>chandra@perelandra.cms.udel.edu

The directory assistance number is 202-555-1212 try that if you are not
aware of that service from your phone company.. They could give the phone
number.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cs461a09@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs461a09)
Subject: Mr. Arindam Ghosh and his promises like politicians.
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:33:02 GMT


	Independence day recognised by Mr. Arindam Ghosh
	================================================

It looks like Mr. Ghosh does not understand what others are telling him.
I am not going to let thim man roam around scott free.  If he
moves around NAKED I am also prepared to roam around naked.

	If you give concessions to persons like him then there will be
more problem later on THIS FELLA MUST BE TACKLED RIGHT NOW.  He says
some thing but does not keep his promise.

	I WILL LIKE TO KNOW IF MR. GHOSH BELIEVES INDEPENDENCE DAY AS
15 th AUGUST or 14 AUGUST.  

The way to know is to see what bahai i.e. MUSLIM religions calender.
(1) Do they treat the begining of next day from Midnight or from dawn?

HE is a shameless bum.

^^&*^&(*^&^^*&^(^^*&^&*^&^&^&^&(*&*Y&*^ 
all bad words.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
From: vkuttikattu@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:43:27 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

test
From: SRK16730@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Rajiv K. Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: test
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:54:23 GMT
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>From: br0@engr15.uark.edu (RAMANUJACHARI BADRI)
>Subject:test
>Date: 3 Aug 92 09:10:11 GMT
>Message-ID:<1992Aug3.091011.613@engr15.uark.edu>

>What else but a test !!!
>
>Boy!!! you really are need something to do!!!!

  Testing. testing.
From: serasst@admin.acadiau.ca (Yvette Davison)
Subject: Sindi Hindu wants wife
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:08:22 GMT



   A freind without  access to a computer asked me to post a
  matrimonial.  This is what information I have to post:

  - 25 year old male
  - in 3rd year of agricultural engineering
  - presently living in Pakistan
  - very intelligent
  - from good family
  - visited Canada for a few months with a group of students
  - looking for a wife, preferably Hindu and good looking

     Reply by August 19th with your postal address for correspondance to:

                  serasst@admin.acadiau.ca
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Pakistan Reports Progress in Talks With India
Keywords: Pakistan India Talks
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:23:48 GMT

apnews reports:
  NEW DELHI, India (AP) - India and Pakistan, South Asia's
bitterest enemies, made progress Wednesday on two issues that have
divided them for years, Kashmir and nuclear weapons, a top
Pakistani official said.
	   For the first time, the countries agreed to hold talks on
Kashmir, which has been divided between them since 1949, said
Foreign Secretary Shaharyar Khan.
	   India's Jammu-Kashmir state - the only state in mostly Hindu
India with a Muslim majority - is being torn apart by insurgents
seeking autonomy, independence or merger with Pakistan.
	   The talks on Kashmir appear to represent a shift by Pakistan,
which previously wanted the dispute resolved by the United Nations.
	   No date was announced for a meeting on Kashmir, however, and the
region was barely mentioned in a joint statement released at the
end of the current talks.
	   During the negotiations that ended Wednesday, India and Pakistan
also signed an agreement banning the production, stockpiling and
use of chemical weapons and ``discussed the question of nuclear
non-proliferation,'' Khan said.
	   According to a July 1992 report by the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace in Washington, India ``probably has essentials
for 75-100 A-bombs that could be deployed quickly.'' Pakistan ``has
material, and possibly all components, for 15-20 undeclared A-bombs
that could be deployed quickly,'' it said.
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vedati@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Keshavprasad Vedati  ECE-GRAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:13:27 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens

In article <memo.578099@cix.compulink.co.uk> dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>The original question here was:
>
>>Please could any one tell me why Satti was or is practiced...
>
>The first reply, satirical, used the present tense:
>
>>     These days sati is practised mostly for various purposes.
>>Among them another marriage benefit. In these two cases, death of
>>husband is ruled out. This is also known as pre-sati. In this
>>case, it is widely believed....
>>       And there is a post sati. In this case, the relatives of the
>>husband's side take the initiative. They do this...
>
>But all the rest, although often most interesting, have not
>mentioned if it is still practised.  The last date mentioned has
>been the "1829 Prevention of Sati Act passed by Lord William
>Bentinck which declared the burning alive of widows as murder";
>but there are laws and there is life...
>
>Is it still practised and, if so, why?  A complete answer would
>include why the law is not enforced, if that is the case.
>
>I wouldn't have believed that it could still be practised if I
>had not read the article in The Observer two weeks ago about the
>prevention of female children and subsequently found that this is
>a major concern of UNICEF in India.  The fact that India has not
>joined itself to any of the UN conventions that outlaw such
>practises increases my personal concern.
>
>Diane
>dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk

These days it is not practiced anywhere in india. Some time back
Roop kanwar was murdered in the name of sati. Even her parents
supported this. This created a furore throughout the nation.
Every right thinking individual condemned this as a heinous 
crime. Roop kanwar was drugged before she was thrown into
her husband's funeral pyre. This was an isolated incident.
But many people in rajasthan supported this including some
BJP leaders. The Rajiv Gandhi government for fear of losing
votes didnot take any strong action. Routine investigation
did take place. some body was arrested. after that nothing
was heard much about that . I hope some one on the net will
come up with a better answer.
               Bye 
                             Vedati . K.P
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (SHALINI ANAND)
Subject: MEAT EATING AND WORLD HUNGER
Reply-To: anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:54:56 GMT

CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING STATISTICS:
1000 acres of soyabeans yields 1124 pounds of usable proteins.
1000 acres of rice yields 938 pounds of usable protien. 
1000 acres 0f corn  "     1009 "      "    "    ".
1000   "  "   wheat "     1043 "      "    "    "

NOW CONSIDER:
This 1000 acres of soyabeans, corn, rice or wheat when fed to a steer, will
yield only about 125 pounds of usable proteins. These and other findings point
 to a disturbing conclusion:
MEAT EATING IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO WORLD HUNGER

Some nutritionists, enviromentalists and politicians have poiinted out that 
if the US  were to feed that same grain to the starving people of the world 
as is fed to livestock, we could wipe out starvation and its corollary horrors
(anyone watching the Somalians can identify with the horrors). In fact,
Harvard nutritionist, Jean Mayer estimates that reducing meat production
by 'just ten %' would release enough grain to feed 'sixty million people'
(Isnt that amazing).

It is a matter of record: in terms of land, water and resources, meat is the
most expensive and inefficient food anyone can eat. Only about 10% of the
protein and calories we feed to livestock is returned in the meat those 
animals provide. In additon, hundreds of thousands of acres of arable land are
occupied  in raising livestock for food. One acre used to raise a steer 
provides only about one pound of protein. That same one acre planted with 
soyabeans will produce 17 pounds of protien. in short, rasing animals for
food is a tremendous waste of the world's resources.

In addition to the loss of farmland, it is estimasted that raising livestock
consumes 8 times more water than growing vegtables, soybeans or grains, for
the cattle must drink and the crops that feed them must be watered. In summary,
millions will continue to die of thirst or starvation, while a privelged
few consume vast amounts of  protein, wasting land and water in the process.
Ironically, this same meat is their own body's worst enemy. 

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The above has been reproduced from the magazine "Vedic science for the 21st
century', published by ISKCON Calcutta.













Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Is it correct that ...
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:41:21 GMT


I salute all these guys who come up with the most incredible
topics on SCI...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)



In article <1992Aug21.195644.28162@jade.tufts.edu> slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri) writes:
>I do not know whether this is true or not, but there seems to 
>be a strong belief that masterbation lowers a person's 
>intelligence level. In our student life this belief was so 
>widespread that guys used to suffer a kind of mental depression
>after doing it (just before exams) and as a result their 
>performance in the exams happened to be less than satisfactory.
>IMHO the mental depression was the killing factor and not
>the "thing". That masterbation lowers person's mental faculties
>is very strongly preached by the "religious books" published by
>Chaitanya Math. It also describes the persons doing this as "of
>a lower strata". Is there any scientific explanation of this ?
>IMHO this is BS. I have my personal records to refute this.
>
>Flames, ideas, logic, and plain bs most welcome.
>
>-Sandip
From: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Is it correct that ...
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:37:27 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: slahiri@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Aug22.122707.19096@jade.tufts.edu> slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.213034.28050@news.uiowa.edu> rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug21.195644.28162@jade.tufts.edu> slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri) writes:
>>>I do not know whether this is true or not, but there seems to 
>>>be a strong belief that masterbation lowers a person's 
>>>
>>>-Sandip
>>
>>Atleast you should learn how to spell the word.
>>
>>Ramakrishna
>
>What's in a name oops, spelling ? BTW did it reminded you of something
>else ? Just curious.
>
Looks like there is grammatical mistake though. The corrected version
should be

What's in a name oops, spelling ? BTW did it remind you of something
else ? Just curious.

-Sandip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Subject: Re: Indian babes ....
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:53:12 GMT

Jay Bhartkumar Patel (cobra@chopin.udel.edu) wrote:
: In article <rich07.713909947@milton> rich07@milton.u.washington.edu (Jon Jochem) writes:
: >
: >Are Indian babes horny?
: >
:     No way dude.    
:     KING COBRA

Don't generalize

Srinath
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From: s9205@gte.com (Rohit Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Telugu Culture Net Digest 41
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:25:33 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

Could the poster of the Telugu Digest in future, post this on Soc.culture.indian.telugu and just post a reminder/note on soc.culture.indian that the digest is available there ?

It will be appreciated by a lot of people, I am sure.

Thanks

Rohit Gupta