HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga)
Subject: Re: Why not a Taurus SHO Wagon??
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:38:45 GMT

In article <1bh885INN1gk@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 1bek8eINNq03@roche.csl.sri.com, abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) writes:
>>> >My feeling on it is that it would hurt the overall SHO image. For the same
>>> >reasons you don't take the Mustang 5.0 platform and make a wagon out of it,
>>> >or put the M5 motor in the 5 series wagon, you don't want to spread the
>>> >SHO name in cars whose purposes generally stray from the hi-po sedan
>>> >market.
>>
>>FYI: There is indeed a BMW M5 touring (wagon). Drives like a dream. Not to 
>>mention the Aston Martin Virage Shooting Break. Two door wagon!
>>
The only thing I have seen was a BMW 535 Touring (wagon).  It is a five series
wagon, but it has the 3.5l I6 not the 3.5l I6 DOHC 310hp model that is in the
M5.  You may want to check that out, but I am pretty sure the touring wagon
is just the plain jane 3.5 SOHC I6.

Jim Pacyga


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bay@unislc.uucp (Bethanne Yukman)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket sunroofs - are they any good?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:30:56 GMT

To Ken Lui at HP:

I have tried to send you a response, but my mail keeps getting returned.
The number for American Sunroof Company in Southgate Michigan is
313 - 285 - 4911.   

BAY Bethann Yukman
From: mas@skcla.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Reviews/comments on '93 Grand-AM??
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:08:02 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: mas

I've just found this news group.  I'm in the market for a new car and am
considering the '93 Grand-AM.  I'd appreciate any comments on this
model. Please post on email.

John Mas


E-Mail Address     ::     MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:30:27 GMT
Organization: SSESCO

In article <1992Oct16.104927@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.164250.5254@oracle.us.oracle.com> alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law) writes:
|> |>
|> |>You'll never ever see exotic cars going over 65 mph on the freeways
|> |>and 15 mph on the street.
|> 
|>  I think you have must have meant 165 and 115, respectively.
|> 
|>  On my occasional trips between Houston and Fort Worth, on I-35 north 
|>  of Waco, I've been crusing in my Dodge Stealth RT around 110-120 mph
|>  and have been passed liked I was standing still by an Lotus Esprit,
|>  Lambo Countach, and NSX.  

How the hell do you get away with that?  I get busted for doing 12mph
over the limit and get to watch my insurance go up.  Something isn't
right here.  Guess if you go fast enuf, they don't see you.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: tires, the laws of physics, and reality as we know it
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:30:54 GMT


[excellect tirade chomped]

In addition to the shear forces acting on the tire and road (or snow),
there's also adhesive forces acting between the tire and the road.
This throws another wrench in the analysis.

David Basiji
Xref: sparky rec.autos:23526 rec.autos.tech:13689
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:48:45 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>   As far as loans, they don't usually require liability, just
>   collision and comprehensive....to protect THEIR car.

Have you tried getting these without liability in states where liability
insurance is required by law?


Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: 988fernandez@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 82 PONTIAC FOR SALE
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:26:21 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

                                 FOR SALE


                           1982 PONTIAC  J_2000


	RUNS GOOD
	NEW TIRES              ONLY $ 900 OR B.O.
        NEW BATERY
	LOOKS GOOD
	NO RUST
	


        CAN BE SEEN AT 1940 HOWARD ST. #359   KALAMAZOO MI
From: vincent@garnet (Vincent Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine additives....which is best? Slick 50,...
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 11 Oct 1992 23:34:03 GMT
Organization: WSSG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tmf2mac23.berkeley.edu

In article <Bvu4Dw.83v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sabg2063@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott
A. Butzin) wrote:
> 
> djm48887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel J. Moisson) writes:
> 
> >    I have been seeing many more engine additives other than 
> >Slick 50 now a days.  I was wondering if anyone has heard which one
> >is really the best.  I just saw some add on TV about DuraLube that
> >looked very convincing.  I think I have seen one from STP too?
> >Help!!  I need advice before I throw $25 in 1 quart of something!
> 
> Here's some advice for all you people who think you need Slick 50,
> DuraLube, et al.  Change you oil and filter every 3000 miles, more
> in the winter if you live in the north, use a quality oil and filter,
> and forget the $25 can of garbage.
> 
 I don't think that's a fair statement. Slick 50 is supposed to better for
the car because it lubes the car without having to bring up the oil from
the pan. Slick 50 automatically lubes the vital metal components for the
car already. Changing the oil is good yea but it doesn't help on start ups
like slick 50 or Gunk does.









A concerned auto enthusiast.
From: rkim@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Suro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whats a Geo Metro (explained)
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:27:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <13388@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>The Geo Prizm, made in California by the joint SUMMI GM/Toyota plant, is the
                                                ^^^^^

That's NUMMI.  Forgot what it stood for, though.


-- 
Robert W. Kim                            rkim@ucsd.edu
University of California, San Diego.     suro@ucsd.edu
"I'd love to go out with you, but I'm teaching my ferret to yodel."
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Petro Jelly on terminals
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >>I've been told that petroleum jelly is great at keeping battery terminals
  >>from corroding, just put on the inside of the cables (where they contact
  >>the terminal), and you shouldn't have any problems with corrosion til you
  >>need a battery replacement anyhow!
  >
  >  This is a good way to make SURE your car won't start.  The
  >  petroleum jelly (or Vaseline) is an excellent insulator.  Even if
  >  you just smear it over the connections, the heat will melt it and
  >  it will penetrate between the post and the cabling.  A very thin
  >  coating is enough to totally interrupt current flow.
  >
  >  DON'T do this.....or you'll be sorry.  
  >
  >  The anti corrosion rings OR special purpose paints, sealers, work
  >  best.

Really?  That's odd.. My mechanic did it (put the vasolene over the 
terminals) when he replaced the battery about a month ago..  I've had
no problems starting since then, and will inspect the battery for melted
vasolene when I clean the engine (and the rest of the car!) Tuesday.  I 
can say that it hasen't seemed to impair starting any in the month or so
since I've had it on there, and the mechanic assured me that there would
be NO corrosion by the time the battery needs to be replaced.  He has used
petroleum jelly on several betteries, with no ill effects so far. 

The mechanic also laughed at the anticorrosion rings I had, said they'd work
as long as they lasted, which wouldn't be as long as the life of the battery,
in the engine compartment. 

This ISN'T a "backyard JoeBob" mechanic, either.  He specialized in high
performance cars (Jaguars, etc..), and owns a SHO himself.

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
 . KingQWK 2.00 .6 # 145 . Visualize whorled peas.
                                           
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: endrizzi@sctc.com (Michael Endrizzi)
Subject: 92/93 Mazda 323 Price Inquiry and Complaints
Organization: SCTC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:09:12 GMT


I'm shopping for a bare naked 92/93 Mazda 323 Hatch 
5-speed no gizmos. Opinions needed on:

1) Prices
2) Reliability
3) Mileage
4) Rust worthiness
5) Points of failure
6) Misc Whining


Please e-mail me. I'll post results.


					dreez

=================================================================
*Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are not of my employer
             but of the American people.
    Michael J. Endrizzi endrizzi@sctc.com (612) 482-7425
    SCTC,1210 W. County Road E #100,Arden Hills, Mn. 55112
=================================================================
From: perri@wpi.WPI.EDU (David M Perri)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: GEO's ??????
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:13:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Well, if you want to find a car..or actually a Truck, that is very safe,
for under 10,000. I just bought a brand new Ford F-150 for under
10,000.  I would like to say that an F-150 is relatively safe.
Disagree if you want.
I took your challenge.
dave.

Xref: sparky rec.autos:23633 nj.misc:321
From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,nj.misc
Subject: calibrating speedometer
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:16:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi. This is regarding a speeding ticket that I'm planning to fight (check
out the posting in nj.misc for details). I figured it might be a good idea
to certify that my speedometer is properly calibrated, so that I won't get
hit with the "our-speedometers-are-accurate-can-you-be-sure-of-yours"
routine. Has anyone attempted to do that? How and where do I get it done?
Thanks.

toufic

            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: condict@next19.osf.org (Michael Condict)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Keywords: fiat
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:53:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.161526.12688@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>  
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
> 
> i might add that alfa's current move to a mostly FWD lineup (with a few
> AWD models) is largely dictated by corporate parent fiat; it is not at
                                                      ^^^^
> all clear that alfa would have done so if it had not become part of
> the italian conglomerate.
> 

This is a great play on words!

Michael Condict
OSF, Cambridge, MA
From: bq840@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven Zabarnick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 89 Tercel using oil
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:36:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have a 1989 Toyota Tercel with 54,000 miles that has been 
using about a quart of oil a month. There does not appear to
be an oil leak. Does anyone have any suggestions of possible
causes and cures?

Steve Zabarnick
Newsgroups: rec.autos,osu.for-sale
From: mgrayson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark F Grayson)
Subject: WANTED: CJ-7 Hard Doors
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:08:28 GMT



Looking for leads on where to find doors to match my stock 79 hardtop. There
has to be a pile of these things a mile high somewhere, right next to a pile
of missing socks, no doubt.  If you have an extra pair or know of anyone
or anyplace that does, please let me know.  Thanks!


********************* mgrayson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  *********************
 When you see a ball of light in your rearview mirror approaching at warp speed
 you're not supposed to just sit there, you get the hell out of the way!
                   Have you driven over a Ford ... Lately ?                  
***************  mark_grayson/omgate_us@gate.us.ohio-state.edu  ***************
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: petrov@tfs.com (George Petrov)
Subject: Re: Volvo P1800 -- what's a good price?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:48:56 GMT

In article <Oct.7.20.22.24.1992.19791@cesl.rutgers.edu> boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:
>
>Hi There. I have the opportunity to acquire a 1965 P1800. I've always
>wanted one, but I never actually looked around actively for it, so I'm not
>sure about the current prices. It needs some body work (mainly surface
>rust, on first inspection). The owner claims the engine has been rebuilt,
>but only the carbs need to be synchronised. The interior is kinda in bad
>shape, but not _really_ bad (ie the seats steering wheel and major
>instruments are there, but the dashboard is a mess). How much would be a
>good offer? Thanks.
>
>toufic
>            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
>            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
>            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
>            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ



	'only the carbs need to be synchronized'... heh,  heh, I remember
	that line...

	Start your bid at $750,  go up to $1000 if you REALLY want it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ambagasp@acs.ucalgary.ca (Rohana Shantha Ambagaspitiya)
Subject: Noise in Acura Integra RS (92)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:00:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

About two weeks ago I drove my Integra on highway for the first
time. When I was going over 110km/h it was making a noise like
creese-creese-creese continuously. This happen even when I
switched off the A/C. When I slow it down I did not
hear it. I had taken the car a day before for 3000km service. 
Is this something I should worry about? I called up the dealer
and he said he would go for a drive with me.
I haven't had a chance to do this and I have to wait for a week
or so. (It is snowing here).

Rohana


Xref: sparky rec.autos:24191 misc.consumers:17900
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Buying a Saturn
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:30:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I went to Saturn of Stevens Creek in Santa Clara, CA.  They were really
nice, but very firm on their no negotiation policy.  I have a friend who
bought a Saturn after they refused to haggle, but threw in free car mats
(wow :).  Has anyone on the net haggled with Saturn with any luck?  While
I have read that they have about $1200 in profit built into their SL2
model base automatic price, and that doesnt bother me, its their profit
margin on their options that do.

Also, on the price list they handed me, it states that the retailer is
responsible for setting their own selling price.  So I guess theat if I hunt
around, I might find a Saturn for a cheaper price in the northern CA
area (the Saturn on El Camino in Sunnyvale is owned by the same group as the
Stevens Creek one).  Here is what the car I am looking at costs:

SL2 automatic:			$12,245
Transportation:			$   300
Option Pkg (A/C, Cruise Ctrl,
 Power Windows & Locks,
 RHOSRV Mirror)			$ 1,655
Rear Spoiler			$   155
JL9 & Traction Control		$   645 (<-- Is this really needed in CA?)
Foglamps			$   100
AM/FM Cassette w/EQ		$   330
---------------------------------------
TOTAL				$15,430 + 8.25% tax + 2% license

The waiting time for an ordered Saturn is 6-8 weeks.  So they dont need
my business really, and they have no incentive to haggle.  But if you have
gotten something out of Saturn, let me know by e-mail please.  Should I go
to another Saturn dealer, maybe north of Cupertino?

Also, it has a 3 yr, 36000 ml warranty.  Would you buy their added
maintenance pkg?  

Yes, I am looking at other cars like the Nissan Altima, Stanza, Honda Civic,
and Acura (all 4 door sedan models).

--Ken
  staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Do you have a Sable?  What's your MPG?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.150514.59540@cc.usu.edu> sly9y@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <67276@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>>>I am not sure if my 87 Sable Wagon consumes more fuel than average.  It's
>>>getting only 17 MPG, freeway and local combined(half and half).  I inflate t
he
>>>tires to 34 psi and keep the car in good condition.  Can someone own a simil
ar
>>>car tell me your MPG?  Or maybe the ways to increase it?  Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>>- james
>>
>> Do you have the 3.8 or the 3.0 V-6? I have a '90 Taurus Wagon with
>> the 3.0 V-6 and about 43,000 miles on the clock and I recently drove
>> from LA to Sacamento and back... lots of long boring Interstate
>> highway, a trip of appx 500 miles, and almost made it 1 way on one tank
>> of gas, putting the mileage for that trip in the high 20s I guess
>> since the tank holds about 17 gallons. Around town in stop'n'go
>> traffic thru the suburbs I get about what you're getting, perhaps
>> a couple mpg more. I'm sure it has to do with the time you can
>> spend in the automatic overdrive 4th gear versus not as to what kind
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of overall mileage you're gonna see. By the way, I run it on
>> "regular unleaded" 87 octane stuff (name brands) which it seems
>> to like just fine.
>>
>> Harv
>
>We have a 91 sable with the 3.0, and on the highway we get 31-32 mpg, but
>around town it suffers.  something like low twenties.  About the above,
>_do not_ drive around town in overdrive this is just for steady driving above
>45 mph.  I have heard too many stories about gm's th700r4, which is essentiall
y
>the same thing, only it is an incredible piece of *#$%!  When you drive around
>town in od, it is constantly shifting in and out of od (which wears it out
>very quickly) and you also have to worry about lugging the engine.
>
>pete

My '87 Sable with a 3.0L at 88K gets 27-29 highway (75-80 mph avg) and
22-24 city.  In the city, I'll lock out 4th only when I get jerked a couple
times with 4-3, 3-4, 4-3, 3-4, etc.  This doesn't always happen, though.

BTW, any other 3.0L owners get the catalyst recall?  I had mine done
yesterday (about 1.5hrs).  Eliminated the cold-start stalling problem
I was having, though that's not what the recall was for.  :^)

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am the engineer, I can choose K.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Department of Engineering Mechanics
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Land Cruiser info wanted
From: cvalj000@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Mike Cancellier)
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:29:46 PST
Organization: Cal Poly Pomona Geography
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj000

	I am interested in buying an older Toyota LandCruiser.  What I am
wondering is what a good price is for each type, jeeplike and landrover type.
I also wonder what things I should look for when buying, and neat things I can
do with it after I get it.  I am moving to Grand Forks, ND around Christmas,
and I think a four-wheel-drive would be a good idea.  Comments, suggestions,
and referrals are welcomed.  Might as well EMail and save bandwidth.
Thanks in advance,

	Mike
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From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: flat engines
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:37:39 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Oct12.145506.9224@rtsg.mot.com> pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga) writes:
>In article <johnson.718619043@wrs.com> johnson@wrs.com (David Johnson) writes:
>>mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
>>
>>>In article <3881@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>>|> In article <Oct06.055649.20215@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>>>|> >disappear.  Horizontally opposed engines are the best kind to have, whether
>>>|> >they number 2 cylinders, 4, 6 or even 12; but they are very expensive.."
>>>|> 
>>>|> 	Why?
>>
>>>        Why?
>>
>>They're not expensive themselves per se, It's just that no auto manufacturers
>>are willing to sacrifice the component layout of a chassis so that an 
>>opposed cyl. engine could be used...except quality sports car makers like
>>Porsche and once upon a time-Ferrari.  Oh! I almost forgot...Subaru, Chevy  and 
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I believe the 512TR is considered to be a FLAT 12, however, I recall someone
>saying that it is really a V12 with a large degree V.  Anyone have any input
>on this?  
>
>Jim
>(pacyga@rtsg.mot.com)
>


I'm pretty sure its a boxer. The block is the same as the 512 Berlinetta 
Boxer from like 77-83. This engine is the epitomy of italian engineering.
I also remember reading somewhere that boxer engines rev up faster
than 180 V. Not sure if this is true but it sounds right to me. Maybe it
has something to do with the internal geometry
-- 
C MYSIG  ASIG4U 1RADSIG 2BADSIG SIG U 2     U R SIG   1SIGDOG    ADOTSIG
 				The above advice is not to be taken seriously!
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:15:01 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:

>Any accident that shows unbelted injuries could impound the car and prove in
>a criminal court - _not_ a civil court, "The State Vs. an Unbelted Moron" is
>handled very differently from "Xyzzy Hospital Versus Timothy J. Nitwit" - that
>the device had been disabled.  The hospital that treated the moron who did that
>would be paid from a fund financed by fines on people convicted under that law.

I like this last statement you made, but unfortunately, I don't think
the fund would have enough cash to make it a viable one. (Unless you're
indicating that the car would be auctioned off because the unbelted
moron has given up his right to drive. This would run into problems
with the 4th <I think> amendment against unlawful seizure.) I don't
think there is an easy way to enforce this, although the police could
revoke any liscense of a person caught driving without a belt. Then
again, this is infringing on their right to drive, I only want to make
those that choose to drive without belts pay for their own medical costs,
and not pass it off to those of us that are more responsible.

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.