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From: michaelh@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Haldey)
Subject: Re: State Antisemitism in Russia (was re: reply to S. Borodin)
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:57:51 GMT

In article <96370@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

<... previous post is ommitted ...>
> The problem is that you don't want to accept a simple thing, that is
> that soviets did not distinguish nationalities. Jews were just one of
> more or less groupped people. The idea of free emigration for Jews
> made them potentially dangerous to the system. But it is not antisemitism
> it is just that the system preserved itself  from what it felt dangerous.
> Happen it to be any other nation - we would see the same. It is still
> not actions against nationalities, but rather against groups of people.
> In soviet system one could do anything he wanted UNTILL he gets known
> to the system for some (any) reason.
>
<...>

This is silly. The limitations for Jews in the Soviet System existed even
before the emigration. And the attitude to the nationalities were also
different. Of course, a lot of factors were involved but if you 
consider the cost of implementing all the limitations, spying etc you 
realize that it is not just 'a group of people going to emigrate'.

Separating nationalities was a corner stone for the policy. (Nationalities,
not the groups of people.)

My 0.02

Michael
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From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Belchinskiy i svinyi (was Re: Andrei Rublov)
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:42:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov10.223243.47499@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.175612.26800@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
[...]
>>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North,
>who, probably, never understand why wind blows from 
>high pressure area to low. So again flock of pigs has flown to North.

I will not claim expert knowledge of atmospheric processes, but
at least I usually write and spell correctly. Cannot say the same
thing about the netfreaks who sometimes dare challenge me. (I mean nobody 
in particular, so take no offence).

And LEAVE THE PIGS ALONE, YOU DIRTY-MINDED ANIMAL-CHASER!


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: tampon flame, very sad story
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:06:07 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <92308.165210VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Nov03.193518.22609@watson.ibm.com>,
>bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) says:
>        -igor
>
>P.S. Probably follow-up should be set to soc.women, alt.abortion, etc.
>Definitely not to s.c.s.
>On other note - maybe it's good idea to have alt.fan.patricia.schwartz
>for all her word flood and subsequent spin-offs, like this?
>
>It's a good idea to set alt.fan.burka.misc, isn't it?
>For all his word-spinning flux and ever presisting comments. Like it?

Vot Mos'ka. Znat' ona sil'na...

Btw, learn correct quotation of citated articles - may help.

:-)
	-igor
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: State Antisemitism in Russia (was re: reply to S. Borodin)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:00:17 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

In article <96370@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.034149.29449@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@neptune.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
>
>>>In article <96053@netnews.upenn.edu> 
>>>sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>
>>>  As for myth about state supported antisemitism - never happened.
>
>
>>And by the way I do communicate with my relatives and, of course with my
>>girlfriend, and know first hand what is happenning over there. Although,
>>it is kind of hard to communicate when 3 out of 5 letters just never get
>>here. Oh, and is not the post office in Russia a government
>>organization? Yes, it is.
>
> ?? What do you mean? "antisemitic Post office"? 
> How about cosmopolitan telephone? It works for me.
>

To whoever wrote about cosmopolitan telephone... In Izvestiya '92, and
resurrected "Vzglyad," there have been articles and reports about how
the mail gets thrown out at Shermetyevo by the officials, and after 
sorting through it, they dump all the letters that have a Jewish-sounding
last name for the destination, and after opening all of the rest, they
discard those that don't have anything valuable. Usually about 10% of the
mail has money in it -- there are still ignorant people around here, who,
with very good intentions of helping a xSU citizens, waste their money
on thieving mail workers.  As for cosmopolitan telephone, it is not very
cheap, and there is an ancient paranoia that the conversation is recorded
or listened to by somebody.



Alex.




-- 
"I know that I work for Time-Warner, one of the main purveyors of evil
 in the universe.  The way I see it, sometimes you have to rot the
 infrastructure from within." -Al Jourgensen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mgupta@eng.clemson.edu
Subject: Some Russian please !
Reply-To: mgupta@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:09:39 GMT

Hi folks,

I have a russian friend who's birthday is in a couple of days.  
I would like to be able to wish her in Russian.
Could some kind person tell me the equivalent of "Happy Birthday" etc. in Russian ?

Thanx a lot in advance.

Manu

P.S :  Also if some kind of pronounciation aid were provided it would be helpful.
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:12:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ceg.kosinov.721336344
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <kosinov.721260009@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

>> time, and negligible historically. At any time since 1918
>> there were more Trotskyites at CUNY and Berkley than in
>> all of St. Petersburg.

>It looks like Joseph Stalin and Alexander Solzhenitsyn were of the opposite
>(to yours) opinion on this subject. 

>Yury

1) I would very much like to see the Solzhenitsyn reference (and sources) on
 the multitude of Trotsky's followers in Russia.

2) To Stalin, the terms "opponent" (real or imaginary) and "Trotskyite" were
 interchangeable. I would hardly defer to him on the definition or 
 preponderance of Trotskyism.
					     Greg.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Andrei Rublov, Zeppelins and , hmm, Verbitsky
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:32:43 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <1992Nov10.175612.26800@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.193950.7317@galois.mit.edu>, verbit@cauchy.mit.edu (Mikahil Verbitski) writes:
>
>
>>	The first part of film, which is actually a prologue, has
>>	a symbolic meaning. It depicts a semi-folklore story
>>	about Russian monk who invented a zeppelin (circa 1580)
>
>Hmm... The most prominent authorities in folklore study have
>agreed that the thing that monk invented was not a Zeppelin,
>but a Volksvagen.

Actually dirizhbandel' s elovym pricepom. But unfortunately Herr Peter wasn't.

>>	Misha.
>A kto zh estcho...
>-- 
>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North,
who, probably, never understand why wind blows from 
high pressure area to low. So again flock of pigs has flown to North.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET!
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:58:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.165845.17173
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Nov5.201525.28457@dxcern.cern.ch> GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg) writes:

	[ regarding George Petrov remark that scs billboard is not owned
	  by anyone ]

>What gives me this ownership??? The very fact that it is MY culture and I
>don't intend to let it be fucked up by ignorant uneducated persons. Heard
>anything about the DEFENDING OF THE CULTURE?

>Kiss your ass better...
>Greg

Dear Greg, usually someone wants to defend something if he feels that
the subject of defense is weak. Even if I don't like Patricia's ideas
on culture I don't think that the culture should be defended. 
You, with your pretense on ownership, sound like people defending 
Russian (Estonian) ethnos from colonialists or "inorodtsy". Or like 
people with foam on their mouths defending Vysotsky from blasphemy. 

A typical x-Soviet pattern of authoritarian thinking.

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: tak, treplyus'...
From: <VABHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 3 Nov 1992 14:27:39 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Inogda tak i hochetsya chego-nibud' trepanut', v smysle vyaknut'.
Vot segodnya moj drug reshil pozvonit' svoej zhene, kotoraja, kak voditsya,
za okeanom, a ta emu i govorit, chto de shizdets nastupil, uhozhu, govorit
k inomu muzhchine, vot i vse, polnyj de mol nastal kaput. Dazhe ne stol'ko
v inye ob'yatija ee potyanulo, skol'ko, govorit, prosto pora uhodit', idti
vo t'mu nevest' kuda.
     A ya vot ischu-svischu pisaku veseluyu ili cheloveka kakogo neobreme-
nennogo stuporoznost'yu daby provodit neumestnye besedy i pisat' nekchemnye
zapiski, no vse nikak ne nahozhu. Poroj vstrechayutsya golubchiki v etoj
gruppe, da oni cherez chur umny, hotya, zhal', konechno, a to by pobalyakali.
           Sprashivaetsya chego radi vlezayu v SOVIET CULTURE, koli nikakogo
interesa netu k evrejskomu voprosu? A potomu i prus', chto evreev mnogo, a
arbuzov deshevyh tam v Rossii net, a evrei tut i ne pri chem, sami najdut
sebe temu dlya govoreniya. A posemu davajte, vse vmeste, pocheshem yazyki, a?

                                                         Ku-ku, priem.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:34:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.183455.17177
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Nov6.003025.21354@u.washington.edu> nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:
>In article <1dcajdINNpi7@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:

>Agreed. The initial statement (about ethnic tolerance of Stalin's
>government) was pretty odd indeed. 

	Why? Even the use of the word "zhid" was prohibited in 30-ies
	(and ones who used it often got 5-yr jail term). Don't forget
	national districts (even Greeks, Gypsies and, of course, Germans had
	one). About the literalizatiopn of non-written languages.
	There are lot of languages (like Gypsy) which existed as written
	only during 20-ies-30-ies. 


>>And fortunately there is now a chance that all bigots finally leave
>>Russia forever. Don't lull yourselves with a "how those stupid
>>Russians will live witihout us" -- Germany somehow managed, didn't it?

>I sincerely hope that this sentence somehow crawled in from a
>different posting. You do not really mean that Russia will survive without
>its Jews as well as Germany survived without hers, do you?

	Sure he did! Lots of people do, and some very nice ones too.
	Read my "Ubit' Zhida" posting?


>>- how come that 20% of Soviet administrative staff were Jews?
>>  (source - Izvestiya '89 (this figure was also reported by
>>  Ogonyok and later confirmed by Gorbachyov in interview)).

>Could you supply us with your definition of 'administrative staff'?
>Taking in account the size of Soviet bureaucracy 20% yields such
>an enormous figure of Jewish 'administrators' that it renders all previous
>estimates of Jewish population in xSU wrong in the order of magnitude.

	By the same source (Ogoniok, Izvestia) there were 17-19 millions
	of administrative staff in Soviet Union. This means that
	at least 3 millions of Soviet Jews are bureaucrats. The record
	number - 300%! Surely they are working "po-sovmestitel'stvu"!
	But seriously, this is a typical example of "Jews under
	the bed" mentality, common to S. Borodin, Gorbachiov and
	(alas) esteemed Vadim Antonov.


>>When i hear people like Alex Goykman i feel like joining Pamyat'.

>Go ahead, there is nothing to be ashamed of. After all, "anti-Semite
>is a person who hates Jews more than they deserve".

>Nobby
>nobby@u.washington.edu

	And could you, Valery, explain *me* what deserved hate in Alex
	Goykman writings? I rather tolerate Pamyat' members, 
	(especially potential ones :) but I don't see much offense
	there either. He just expressed his opinion, and this opinion
	appeared to be not the same as yours (and Vadim's). 
	Why hate him?

	Misha.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9810 rec.arts.books:19806
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 06:06:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1di3rhINNdd5@agate.berkeley.edu> alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko) writes:
>>>
>>Well, It's interesting demographic observation. From your words I can only
>>deduce that there are no children in Nebraska where you live now. 
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I just want  to say one thing: UIUC is not in Nebraska but in Illinois.

Oh, mine god, in Illinois, too.

Yury.

P.S. For Petrushko: Bandwidth considerations (and our local NNTP server)
do not allow me to go to M.Zeleny's depth and have more than 80 ">"'s in
one line. Thus I may just refer you to not-that-fully-cited artcile of
G.C. for details. 
P.P.S. And back in Russia they called that damned odekolon "Captain gin".
Damned liars. Kto zh znal chto gin - rto obychnaja mozhevelovka.



> 
>
> Shura. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>-- 
>"I know that I work for Time-Warner, one of the main purveyors of evil
> in the universe.  The way I see it, sometimes you have to rot the
> infrastructure from within." -Al Jourgensen
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:00:09 GMT

muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <kosinov.721154565@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>>
>>Brilliant retort!! However, every child in the world knows that Lenin was to
>>Bolshevism what Hitler was to Naziism -- indispensable and absolute.
>>
>Well, It's interesting demographic observation. From your words I can only
>deduce that there are no children in Nebraska where you live now. 
>Otherwise I can not understand,
>why when you say "every child" you imply "pioner-leninets". 

>Every child here in Berkeley know that revolution was done by Lenin
>and Trotskii. Just come to Sproul Plaza. There are plenty of Trotskist-
>Leninists there. They will explain you that from these two Trotskii was more
>equal.

>Yury M.

1) learn to read e-mail addresses -- I now live in Illlnois (where
 children are much more sencible and much less stoned than in the
 Peoples Republic of Berkley).

2) Trotsky did, in fact, play a crucial tactical role in the
 Revolution, as did a number of other people (Nevsky, Podvoisky,
 Latsis, etc).
 However, I was never talking about those tense days/hours before
 the coup when actions of individuals other than Lenin (Trotsky
 noticeably among them) were critical to its success. What I was
 talking about was Lenin's influence on the philosophy of 
 Bolshevism, and the extent of his personal leadership within
 the Bolshevic Party and Bolshevic government. And the conclusion
 is still, that Lenin was paramount.
 Trotsky may have had more influence in the early Bolshevic 
 government than anyone else OTHER than Lenin, but that's
 like being the tallest native Lilipute when Gulliver is
 visiting.
 As for his philosophical influence, it was very small at the
 time, and negligible historically. At any time since 1918
 there were more Trotskyites at CUNY and Berkley than in
 all of St. Petersburg.
				    Greg K.
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Sam Kretin (Sergeiu i Co.) (was Re: Mark Twain...)
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:15:09 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <14618.2afe81f7@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.115821.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>> 

	[...some garbage deleted...]


>> Now, I don't pretend that I know a lot about early Russian history or about
>> Russian philology, but I believe that all the meditations of Mr.Vizniuk is
>> nothing more than bullshit in the best Russian traditions ("a by pogovorit'").
> 
>  Oops, sorry, I forgot to mention explicitely that it was not
> for humor impaired. Take a rest, cretin Michael.
> 

A za cretina mozhno i mordu nabit'...  


> Serega & Co


Michael.

P.S. Tsitiruia Kisu Vorob'ianinova, "A mozhet vy eshche i partiinyi batiushka?"

Togda pridetsia postupat' kak mne sovetuet odin tovarishch' is Shveitsarii
(Aleksei Lebedev), brat' u sebia v Nat.Guards M16 i idti palit' po ex-commis. 
Priiatnoe zaniatie, pravda?  Mozhno dazhe novuiu igru pridumat' "Begushchii
Commi"  I stavki delat' "Prozhivet li do zavtra" ili "Kuda pulia popadet, v
golovu (nu eto emu ne ochen' strashno) ili v iaitsa (a vot eto uzhe poluchshe).

Esli eshche kakie predlozheniia budut, tak vy pishite, obsudim, a to mne vse
eti Seregi, kotorye libo is Ohio, libo Kalashnikovy, libo eshche chert znaet
chto kak-to ne ochen' nraviatsia.

Znaiu Ia ikh kozlov, pod shirmoi Ohio prikryvaiutsia, a na Finnov
vyebyvaiutsia.  Slyshal ia o takikh v 1940.
  	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Fylologi fleim
Summary: Let's continue our higly intellectual discussion ! 
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:46:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.161147.34508@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.015236.9497@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>>
>>Numerical criteria for success/failure of posting :
>>
>>        Number of characters in replies to article
>>        ------------------------------------------ 
>>        Number of characters in original article
>>
>>For my article this value is pretty high already !
>
>That reminds me:
>There were a little match. Somebody fired it and put its flame 
>to fire string. From string flame came to bomb. When bomb exploded,
>fire tongue reached arsenal. Eventually the whole city was burn.
>And that tiny black curly remnant of match said prouly:
>"Now everybody may see how strong I am".
>
>>( Congratulations accepted )
>
>Really valuable persons accept Visa, MC or Amex. :-)
>

You call "valuable persons" kinda' those listed, say,  in the "adult
services" section of newspapers, don't you ?  They, in fact, DO accept
all of the above     ;-)


>	-igor


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Fylologi fleim
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:11:47 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: Moskva, Petushki

In article <1992Nov10.015236.9497@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>
>Numerical criteria for success/failure of posting :
>
>        Number of characters in replies to article
>        ------------------------------------------ 
>        Number of characters in original article
>
>For my article this value is pretty high already !

That reminds me:
There were a little match. Somebody fired it and put its flame 
to fire string. From string flame came to bomb. When bomb exploded,
fire tongue reached arsenal. Eventually the whole city was burn.
And that tiny black curly remnant of match said prouly:
"Now everybody may see how strong I am".

>( Congratulations accepted )

Really valuable persons accept Visa, MC or Amex. :-)

	-igor
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: How to map russian character set to a transliterated one ?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:02:41 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14m by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

The following is a sample from relcom.humor:

In <AELqX-g4M3@alg.sbor.spb.su>  vnf@alg.sbor.spb.su (Nick Vecher) writes:
>           dOBRENXKIJ WSEM DENE^EK!
>  tUT PROSKAKIWALI W relcom.humor WOENNYE SOOBRAVENIQ
>OB USTROJSTWE LOPATY. mYSLI, WNE WSQKOGO SOMNENIQ, CENNYE
>I POLEZNYE. ~ESTNO GOWORQ, DO \TOGO MNE ONI BYLI I
>NEIZWESTNY. nO WOT WOENNO-MORSKIE WOZZRENIQ NA USTROJSTWO
>LOVKI SUPOWOJ IZWESTNY MNE DOPODLINNO, A IMENNO:
>        LOVKA SUPOWAQ SOSTOIT IZ TREH ^ASTEJ:
>             1. HLEBALO;
>             2. DERVALO;
>             3. SOEDINITELXNAQ PLANKA.


Does anyone have a complete mapping of the character set used in the above
article to the transliterated one (used in this group) ?

Oleg V
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9610 soc.culture.jewish:19240 soc.history:9198
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: State Antisemitism in Russia (was re: reply to S. Borodin)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:43:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1df7vhINN270@agate.berkeley.edu> alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko) writes:
>
 resurrected "Vzglyad," there have been articles and reports about how
 the mail gets thrown out at Shermetyevo by the officials, and after 
 sorting through it, they dump all the letters that have a Jewish-sounding
 last name for the destination, and after opening all of the rest, they
 discard those that don't have anything valuable. Usually about 10% of the

Do you mean that did not look for the money just because there was Jewish
name on the envelope? Don't make me laugh.

Yury
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 18:41:16 CST
From: ---  BORYS  --- <U52539@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,bit.listserv.ukraine
Subject: BOBKYLAKU


    This is to any BOBKYLAKU (or any other Plastuny and Plastunky)
that might be out there.


   Question:   Are you coming to the Plastova Zabava in Chicago
              Saturday of Thanksgiving Weekend?


Hav Hu !!!   Pu Hu !!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Aktualnyi anecdot
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:37:23 GMT

I heard this joke in 1984. Recent arguments made me remember it.


Grandfather explains to grandson the jewish history.

Firstly there were Egyptians and Jews. Egyptians were very bad people.
They wanted to kill our babies. Where are those pharaons now? And Jews
are still around.

Then there were Romans and Jews. Romans were even worse. They
conquered our country and burned the temple. Where are those emperors
now? And Jews are still around.

....


Then there were fascists and Jews. Fashists were absolutely terrible
people. They were killing us in gas chambers. Where are they now? And
Jews are still around.

Now there are communist and Jews...

Grandson: Vyhodit, dedushka, nashi v final vyshli?
	  (So, grandfather, we made it to the final?)