HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: PAYTON'S PLACE 
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:36:42 GMT

In article <q6cnqgp@lynx.unm.edu> canders@lacerta.unm.edu (Cliff Anderson CIRT) writes:
>There was a recent article in the local news paper that noted  Walter Payton's
>auto racing career is on the up stroke.  Does anybody out there know how good
>he really is and, how long will it be before we see him behind the wheel at
>INDY or DAYTONA?
>
>
>CLIFF.

I haven't been too real impressed in watching him a couple of times this
season in TransAm.  I've heard some talk about him possibly getting a
NASCAR ride (big mistake if you don't do BGN, ASA, or even some
shorttrack stuff first, IMO).

Irregardless of his sometimes 'attitude', I think it'd be a shame if he
got some breaks that Willy T. didn't.  Not trying to make this a racial
issue -- let's look at driver skill instead.  All racers are the same
color/sex strapped into a car.

-c'ball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: lgb@romulus.cray.com (Larry Briski)
Subject: Re: Road America 200 Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:23:14 CDT

In article <1992Aug25.204730.23290@aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>Looking down the list of finishers, something odd struck me: there were
>ten cars that all finished 50 laps!  My impression is that I don't often
>see a race, Indy or F1, with so many cars unlapped.  What does it all
>mean?
>
>Dave Wilson

Dave

Three causes I can think of that allowed 10 cars to finish all 50 laps.

1)  The length of the track.  The 4.0 mile course means that it would take
quite a few laps for the leader to catch anyone at the tail end of the pack
under green flag conditions.

2)  Perfectly timed yellow flag laps.  Seemed like whenever Emmo got close
to a group of cars on the lead lap the yellow flag came out.

3)  For once at Road America fuel consumption didn't seem to be as big
as a pressing issue as it usually is.  Apparently the length of the yellow
flag periods contributed to good fuel mileage of the competitors. Therefore
there wasn't anybody trying to make the race a fuel economy run.


Larry Briski
lawrence.briski@cray.com  

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Lola BMS Scuderia Italia (was Re: Road America 200 Results)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:17:46 GMT

In article <7146687106226@c00482-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> I wrote:
>In related news:  After the F1 sponsorship deal with Texaco fell through, 
>Lola is now joining forces with Larrousse to form the Lola BMS Scuderia 
>Italia team.  Ferrari will continue to supply the engines.  Michael Andretti 
>was widely thought to be first in line for a seat on a Lola F1 team, but I 
>don't think he'll be interested in what has been Ferrari's "B" team.

It has been pointed out to me that this sounds like I'm confusing Venturi-
Larrousse with Dallara BMS Scuderia Italia.  And I agree, but here's the
blurb as it appeared in AutoWeek:

LOTTA LOLAS.  The Lola factory will be busy in the coming months, building
Indycars, the fleet of new Indy Lights and preparing for a return to F1.
Lola Cars is joining forces with Gerard Larrousse to create a new Lola BMS
Scuderia Italia team.  Ferrari will be the engine supplier but it has not
been announced whether J. J. Lehto and Pierluigi Martini will keep the seats
they've had on Larrousse's team.


I leave it to the reader to figure this out.  And remember, this comes from
the folks who said Patrick Racing was going to become a subsidiary of 
Newman-Haas Racing (do you think someone told them Carl H. was going to
buy Patrick, and it turned out to be Hogan rather than Haas?).

I just love silly season stuff....

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:27:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.204051.4279@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>The tyre changes will also reduce the physical strength needed to drive
>the cars quickly.  I don't think its a coincidence that Mansell &
>Patrese are two of the heaviest drivers in F1. I suspect they need all
>the strength that they can get.
>
>Satoru Nakajima was never strong enough to brake heavily in the dry. 
>I think that some of the other Japanese drivers will be more competitive
>in next years cars.

I'm not understanding you fully.  Do you mean that 6 seconds of non-activity
during mandatory pit stops really gives drivers that much of a rest?

Isn't it true that larger tires give better braking?  The weight of the
cars will not change any will it?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: yancm@engin.umich.edu (Eugene Harold Mcnay Ii)
Subject: Re: rec.autos.sport
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 13:13:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep1.151733.12828@phillip.edu.au> t9014143@phillip.edu.au writes:
>Reading last year's Belgian race report(by John Berton) I came across the term
>
>		T-car 
At INDY, 'T' refers to a backup car with teh same number with a little
'T' appended so they can be told apart. Often the "big guys" will run
both cars a little and then pick the one that feels best to keep working
on.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Subject: Re: F1 News: Patrese to Benetton! (Brundle dropped)
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:24:59 PDT

In article <92237.010151A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET writes:
>Patrese will drive for Benetton next year.
>The other driver will be Schumacher, so Brundle will
>be dropped.
> 
>Frans

Maybe he isn't "dropped" - maybe he's getting Patrese's seat at Williams!!!
An all-British team!

George Brims
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject:  SCCA Solo II and/or Autocross
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Keywords: solo autocross
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:53:16 GMT

It appears that this newsgroup is more into F1, NASCAR, etc.  The big motorsports which
most of us cannot afford to actually compete in.  Are there any autocrossers or SCCA
Solo II (Pro Solo) listeners out there?  If there are enough to share rules, classification,
event organization, competition, or scheduled events info; then maybe we should form a
rec.autos.solo newsgroup?

Mark Shaw
Arizona Region SCCA, Solo Division

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: lgb@romulus.cray.com (Larry Briski)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:12:08 CDT

In article <1992Sep1.020854.16623@cunews.carleton.ca> marcink@alfred.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.203045.20604@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:
>>I find it very funny that when people defend Johansson they say that
>>he was "just being aggessive" when IMHO he clearly screwed up. I mean
>>where in the hell was he going to put the car? But when Mario hits
>>Tracy or Little Al or ..... he is said to be screwing up. Sorry but I
>>dont see any difference. I think they were both careless. I realize
>>there is a very fine line between hard racing and carefree driving,
>>but in Mario`s cases and in Johansson's case(this time) they crossed
>>the line.
> 
>I do have my humble opinion as well. Andretti cut Tracy exactly the same
>way as Tracy cut Goodyear in Road America. Goodyear is smart and experienced
>and did not put his right front whell under spinning Tracy. 
>Tracy is not that smart as we know and did not see spinning Andretti.
>
>Rahal incident: Get a copy of Competition Driving
>with the professor Prost who is very careful, look
>at few pictures and sketches about outbreaking and
>you will conclude that Rahal's comment was not very polite
>but quite accurate. Johansson was smoking his tires -
>and if he did not bump Rahal he may have finished in the wall
>himself.
>
>Just my $0.02 ( I just got a raise )
>
>Marcin

Seeing how American cents are worth more than Canadian cents is my opinion
worth more than Marcin's? :-)

I don't quite understand why Hogan didn't tell Rahal to let Johannson go
by.  I mean if the only way Rahal could score points is by finishing wouldn't
you want to be racing with people you know and not put yourself in
possible danger of being knocked out of the race by someone who is not
a threat to your championship quest?

I also was going to say that we're not being fair to Tracy in calling him
stupid.  But if you forget to activate your Early Mario Warning System you
get what you deserve.  --Yes, another mandatory Mario slam; but I'd trade
places with him in a flash!--

Just my $0.02 American  :-)
Larry
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Birdie calls it quits w/the Dirt Devil
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:38:25 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA
Keywords: Birdie, Crew Chief Quits, #36, Dirt Devil

In article <1992Aug28.012457.8588@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>Earnhardt was quoted as having said that he bumped Nemacheck, and could
>have passed him, but backed off because he didn't want to win that way.
>if this is true, then my respect for Earnhardt has just gone up by an order
>of magnitude.
>
  If that is true, then I would agree that Dale has come a long way from
 his Ironhead days. The other story (I have heard) is that Dale did back
 out and give him a chance to save it because he was afraid of a penalty
 from the Bush officials.

 -Dan
-- 
  Reading Rehabilitation Hospital                 Network Adminstration,
  Dan Schein - Information Systems    __|__       Programming, Parenting,
  RD 1 Box 250                   ______(*)______  Rappelling, and soon...
  Reading, PA 19607                   o/ \o       Sky Diving!
                    Rusty's due in 92       Go #2
   ...{uunet,allegra,rutgers}!cbmvax!rehab1!dans  -OR- dans@rehab1.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:12:58 GMT

In <Btt506.9LD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:

>and Mika Hakkinen. With about 15 laps left, everyone started to pit for slicks
>as the track now had a dry line. Schumacher's stop was very quick, leaving 
>Mansell in second after his stop. Mansell set out in pursuit, but his Renault

It was a bit more complex than that.  Mansell's main problem was that he
waited so long to put on slicks.  Schumacher was making an enormous
amount of ground on Mansell while Mansell was on wets.  Maybe Mansell
thought it was going to rain again.

Congrats to Schumacher.  Thos has been hassling me all year for being
a Schumacher fan but I've been vindicated.

Paul
-- 
Paul O'Donnell                           |"You're just saying that because
pod@softway.sw.oz.au                     |you don't understand art."
Softway Pty Ltd                          |
Phone: +61 2 698-2322 Fax: +61 2 699-9174|     - Jeremy Fitzhardinge
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: CART - Highest Attrition?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.184751.4178@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
>I'd be willing to bet that these two are among the tops in recent history
>(hint to anybody with a media guide: look these up):
>
>That's the best I can come up with.  Does anybody know Donald Davidson's
>number???
>
Chuck, I took the hint at looked at those races you suggested.  Trouble
is, the mg lists the finishing results of each driver entered all the
way down the line, but no info on # of laps completed.  :-(

And yes, I would also like Donald's number.  Been wanting to have him on
the show to play trivia some night.

-c'ball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: UK vs. USA Fabricators
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:37:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug27.222037.23192@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>This stuff regarding the racing manufacturers mostly located
>in the UK just got me thinking about something regarding IMSA,
>where the current GTP technology rivals that (or surpasses?)
>F1.

I don't think this can really be the case - I remember cries of outrage
when the Group C Jaguar (basically an F1 car in a skin) first arrived!
Everybody else claimed the Jag was using technologies nobody else in
IMSA was using, and that it would cause severe price escalation if
they had to introduce similar technologies in order to be competitive.

-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:05:32 GMT

In article <thos.715310287@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au 
	(Thomas Cohen) writes:

> With the narrow tyres grip will be at a premium (obvious statement #3a)
> and those cars with the better suspension will be advantaged. This means
> Williams, McLaren (if they have it working to their approval), Lotus
> and maybe Benetton. I don't think it will close the field that much.
> The top teams will be top, and the poorer teams will be slower. I tend
> to the view that running on pump petrol will bring the teams closer than
> tyre changes.

I thought all the teams using spec fuel _right_now_ due to the 
re-interpretation of the existing fuel regulations.

If that is the case, then with pump petrol, the advantage the Williams 
machines enjoy may have narrowed, but they are still _arguably_ the most 
dominant team.  (See Patrese's run-away at Hungary before his off.)

-- 
Tak Ariga, Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto, Canada
           tak@doe.utoronto.ca  tak@doe.toronto.edu  utdoe!tak  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: karenr@athena.mit.edu (Karen P Rothkin)
Subject: Canadian coverage of F1 at Spa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:12:50 GMT

Hello!  I will be on my way to Toronto when the F1 race is broadcast
in the USA this sunday 8/30.  I shall not arrive there until the late
afternoon.  

Could someone from the Toronto area please tell me when the race will
be (re)broadcast,  and on what channel?  I will be there from Sunday
pm to Wednesday afternoon,  and would like to see the race before I
get home.

My email address is:   karenr@athena.mit.edu

Thanks
-Karen

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1: No Williams for Senna in 93
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:15:23 GMT

	 The posts along this thread were getting to long to include, so
I'll just add my $0.02... Williams will again be the benchmark in '93, but
the Benetton with the new Ford-Cosworth V-12 will also be a FORCE!!!!!! 	I'm sure it will have some teething problems, but the HB V-8 didn't have
too many bugs when it first came out, so i THINK it should be pretty compet-
itive. McLaren is desperately in need of an engine, and the Mugen-Honda won't
cut it. If that is their only option, then they will fall behind Ferrari and
Lotus. John Swaby said Footwork may be good next year, but their only strong
suit this year is a car that lasts, not a fast one. If Lotus gets the series
VII V-8, with their active suspension, they could be very competitve. Fondmetal
looks to have a very good car, only no budget for testing. If they team up with
Pacific Racing and get some sponsorship, look out! Other than those teams, not
too many will be competing for points... Like I said earlier, just my $0.02...

TOBY PADDINGTON...
From: nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Alesi VS Schumacher
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:31:46 GMT
Reply-To: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


I too, believe that Alesi is a very good driver and should have equal
status as Berger. Do you remember how good (and fast) he drove on the
wet earlier this year (I think in France) ...on slicks!

I do not like Schumacher. I don't know way, I just don't like him.
Probably has something to do with the fact that we have the same age
(he is a month older than me) and he is having fun in F1, whereas I
need 1:13.5 to lap Lime Rock... (I had to tell someone...)

Seriously, I think he has been lucky this year and even though his
results (points) are excellent, he still has to show some raw driving
talent or skill to make it in my list of very good drivers.


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Nicos Kontopoulos                             Voice: (617) 787-1780
   INTERnet: nicos@cs.bu.edu                    BITnet: ecolpqc@buacca
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  1 Sep 1992 08:48 EST  

In article <1992Sep1.020854.16623@cunews.carleton.ca>, 
marcink@alfred.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski) writes...

>I do have my humble opinion as well. Andretti cut Tracy exactly the same
>way as Tracy cut Goodyear in Road America. Goodyear is smart and experienced
>and did not put his right front whell under spinning Tracy. 
>Tracy is not that smart as we know and did not see spinning Andretti.

If Tracy didn't see Mario lose it, then why was he pointed straight ahead 
toward the run-off area when Mario hit him?  It looked like Tracy went wide 
driver's left and toward the run-off to avoid Mario (basically gave up the 
corner to save the car - unfortunately it didn't work out that way).

JD
From: steinmar@blaze.rutgers.edu (dan steinmark)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Budget Race Car
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:11:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU

In article <1992Aug26.155850.12638@leland.Stanford.EDU> hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Hodges) writes:

>> Any suggestions for a good road car that I could buy and prepare for racing 
>> (autocross, solo) for less than $10k?
> 
> It largely depends upon what category you want to run....
> > 	Stock/Street Prepared/Prepared/Modified

For a dual purpose car (on the street and for autoxing), you may not
have a whole lot of choices if you want to be competitive.  

Mod and probably Prepared classes would probably not be too livable on
the street, and some well prepped SP cars can be tough on the roads, too.

For an inexpensive, well developed SP car,  you're probably best
off purchasing one someone else has already developed.  You can pick
up some older, competitive cars for well under $10K.  Alternatively,
buying an inexpensive used car, say <$5K, will leave you a lot
of development money.

If you'd like to stay stock, various Civics/CRXs can be quite competitive.
The newish CRX Si does fairly well in D Stock, as does the older ('84-87)
Civic Si's.  The newer '88-91 Civic Si's, as well as the Civic DX's do
fairly well in E Stock.  (Dunno about the '92's)

Another good car in DS is the Sentra SE-R if you can find one cheap enough.
Also the Protege does fairly well, (DS?, ES?).
Various GTI's are pretty good in the same classes, as well, but may need
more prep to be competitive. (A front bar?)

Also the Paseo is a great car for HS, (but may be reclassed next year?)
-----
Prep for a stock class can be minimal: nothing
to fairly expensive:   tires	       	$350/5-10 events
		       lightweight rims	$500?
		       shocks		$500
		       exhaust		$200
		       helmet		$200
		       front bar	$150?
		       special alignment $75?
		       etc.		 ???
		       total          >$2000
And this is for small cars, (like a CRX) 

Of course, you can find much cheaper ways to prepare a car.
Used race tires, steel rims from a junk yard, mail order helmets, etc.

For example, I'm currently running a '90 Civic Si in E Stock, it
has BFG R1 tires (RR compound for longevity, rather than AX compound) ($340)
on used steel rims ($100), and a K&N filter ($40).  total: <$500.  So far
I've been using the loaner helmets.  And I'm locally competitive.

Good luck, and have fun,

	   -Dan
------------------
"55.  It's not justly a good idea.  It's the lawyers."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: A Funny Ole F1 World..........
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:24:38 GMT

	I LOVED YOUR HUMOROUS BITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you should do
ll of the drivers. The Walkerism for Lehto was hysterical!!!

TOBY PADBERG...