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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: Crime (Re: Perot ?
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.180211.18389@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <92231.023450MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.223817.17281@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
>>A) says:
>>>I'd rather an alternative to the death penalty...
>>
>>So how's this sound? You asked for an alternative...
>
>The implementation of the death penalty is not the same thing as the principle
>of the death penalty. Life in prision w/o parole *would* be the next best thing
>, but I don't think it would have the same effect as outright DYING.

You're really bent on killing people aren't you?  

>For example, some people whine about nuclear power being wasteful, cost
>way to much.  I'd argue that those issues would not exist if it were not
>for the 'whiners'.  

'whiners'?  I wouldn't call radioactive trash hanging around for
thousands of years, "nonexistant".  That debate is not even close to the
death penalty.  

>See?  So what I am saying is the the death penalty
>would have 'balls' if it was enforced...just like any other broken law/
>punsihment situation.

But dont YOU see?  Killing is wrong.. whether THEY do it, or YOU do it.

BTW, we're not talking about Hitler.. don't bring up hypothetical
situations.. they're just that, hypothetical.  Would I kill Sadam
Hussien?  No, I wouldn't.. *I* don't murder people.. Do YOU?

                           ---Ezra

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From: cd27+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Jaguar rumors
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:09:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: unix2.714064156.2863.0
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In message <1992Aug17.121916.10934@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
 jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>News about Jaguar and Lynx is proof Atari is TOP GUN with computers!

...can't argue with that ...

>From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
>Message-ID: <l8rf9iINN65u@aludra.usc.edu>
>
>A few random rumors and news McNuggets. Take 'em with all the salt you want.
>
>1. According to an Atari insider friend of mine, the Atari Jaguar will have
>        two 68030s or 68040s, running in parallel. A loose interpretation
>        will call this 1 "64-bit" game system, from adding up two "32-bit"
>        processors.
>
> [....]
>
>3. Price for this magic box? $199. Dunno how that'll sell with Genesi and

Let me get this straight, I get two 030's (lets forget the 040's) and some 
scrap plastic for $199?  

Pass the salt please!!!
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:00:33 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Judd) writes:

>>  Better spent?  On what, another Bradley?  Both sides have pushed for ill-
>>conceived programs, not just Congress.  

>It is important to keep in mind that the reason the US is the technological
>leader of the world is due directly to DoD and DoE money.  They are the only
>groups in the country that are willing to invest in technology that might
>take ten or twenty years before they pay off.  Many people do not understand
>what "state of the art" or "technological edge" means.  HDTV, more efficient
>cars, 1024x1024 graphics, etc., are okay.  But a diamond transistor, a gyro
>the size of your fingernail, and a CRAY-1 about the size of a deck of cards 
>are getting more exciting.  Other programs do stuff that you would not even
>have dreamed about - you would think it was science fiction.

  The Osprey and the Bradley fighting vehicle are not examples of high tech
wizardry, they are both failures, technically and economically (except for the
people employed to build them).

  There's no doubt that a lot of civilian products are developed as a result
of the R&D done in the milatary sector, but not all of it is worthwhile.

  Some R&D also has had some dreadful side effects, marching troops into ground
zero during the nuclear weapons testing heyday of the 40's wasn't exactly too
sound when viewed with hindsight, is it?  Neither was Angent Orange, one of the
more infamous defolients used during Viet Nam.

>Maybe, but probably not.  I would wager that your understanding of nuclear
>weapons effects is a vague conceptualization.  I also doubt that you
>understand what is targeted by a nuclear weapon, and why you would use a
>nuclear weapon to target it.

  You wagered badly.  I was a surface-to-air and cruise missile technician
in the Navy, my understanding of nuclear weapons and their effects is quite
sound.

  When a radically large EMF pulse is passed over anything conductive you
will generate current as the field saturates then collapses, it is the basic
principle behind electric motors and generators.  If the force is so powerful
it can generate enough current to destroy a circuit.

  It is also the principle used to neutralize airborn radar jammers too, focus
a radar beam with enough power at the jamming transmitter and you will induce
enough feedback to fry the power amp.

>I believe you meant "EMP" pulse (which is technically a redundancy).

  EMP is the corrupted term, it is an ElectroMotive Force pulse, few people
know what EMF is though.

>Some people make this argument.  The Air Force makes the argument that we,
>and hence the Soviets, would hold a portion of the force in reserve, to hit
>targets that might have been missed in the first attack.  I will leave it to
>you to read a military planner's mind and decide for yourself what the
>correct answer is.

  Hopefully that answer will remain unknown.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:54:50 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
: Ides of September?? In dictionary ides mean day fifteen of March, May
: July, October.  You mean TIDES of September? Iowa has ocean?!?

You know, you are SUCH a twit.

First, if you knew any Latin, you'd get the gist.

Second, if you knew anything about C=, you'd know why he says it.

You sure you're not Slu Aspiks with a lobotomy?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: Amiga Rumors and illegal postings hurt us all
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:32:36 GMT

jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:

>>How do you seperate true intentions from BS on your beta tester
>>applications, Jack?  I mean, I sent you an application, and heard no word
>>from you, and I think I have a pretty unique system.  This isn't a slam, by
>>any means, I'm just really interested.

>  Tony, the application plainly stated that submitting one was no guarantee
>that you would become a beta tester.  

>>Did you think the facts I put on my app were BS?

>  No, but I'm not beta testing a frigging operating system either, I don't
>need 100+ testers.

You know, I knew you were gonna take this the wrong way, and I almost
didn't ask because of it.

I really don't care about my application per se.  I'm just wondering what
kind of criteria you used, if any.  Certainly I don't think you just picked
the first 50 you got in the mail.

Please Jack, relax a little.  You jump on people way to quick sometimes for
asking simple questions.  This is much more evident in c.s.a.datacomm.

Sometimes, your curtness with people makes me scared to support your
products.  


>>Oh Please.  You've got to be kidding.  I have friends that own PC's (would
>>those be PC friends? :-) and can tell you one thing, there are leaks.  I saw
>>Windows 3.0 before it was in the stores.  I don't even want to talk about
>>piracy wrt PC's.  You think the Amiga is bad....

>  I'm well aware of the piracy that goes on with the PeeCee, I have to put 
>up with that crap daily.  Honestly though, I never heard a peep about MS-DOS
>5 or Windows, and they're both widely used where I work.
>  It would make sense that there were leaks though, I guess I notice it more
>with the Amiga as I'm more involved with it than the PeeCee.

Yeah.  The Amiga gets slammed with the piracy wrap a bit too hard, IMO.  I
mean, every one of my friends that own a PC have a least some pirated
software.  I'm not trying to bring up a piracy debate.  Whether or not you
agree that piracy is bad is beside the point.  I'm just saying that piracy
is as much, if not more prevalent in the PC world than in the Amiga world,
and it's basically accepted (ie socially acceptable).

The main difference I see is that some of the stuff I see pirated in the PC
world cost a great deal more than Amiga stuff.  We're talking high priced
productivity apps.  People see games pirated on the Amiga and get the image,
somehow, that it is worse to pirate a bunch of games than a few big name
prod. apps on a PC.  I really don't understand it.  


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From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released!  No more rumor...
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1992Aug13.080612.12515@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
> Is Kent Dalton telling TRUTH of Multi TOS and Falcon??  What Atari
> experts say? 

Summary: Kent Dalton doesn't know what he's talking about.

> In article <KENTD.92Aug5151644@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>
>>No. MultiTOS is the gross/disgusting ST-TOS with Eric Smith's PD MiNT
>>package (ironically, it stands for MiNT is Not TOS) hacked in.

(1) MiNT is not PD.
(2) MultiTOS has a new version of the GEM AES that works with MiNT.
    There will be a number of new features in the new GEM.
(3) Atari's version of MiNT is not the same as the freely available one
    (i.e. it will have more features).

>>Programs must be linked with MiNT to multitask

This is complete nonsense. Any ST program can run under MiNT, without
recompilation or "linking". 99% of them will multitask; the exceptions
are games that take over the whole computer (just as some games on the
Amiga take over the whole computer and don't allow for multitasking).

I've deleted the rest of Mr. Dalton's claims, since it is clear that
he hasn't seen MultiTOS (indeed, MultiTOS isn't even finished yet,
so *no one* has seen the final version, and only selected developers
have seen the beta test version). His idle speculations are rather far
off the mark.
--
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Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:45:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.152913.6071@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.130808.15449@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>(stuff deleted)
>> ($5998 A3000T vs $3698 Gateway 486-50 stuff deleted)

>Oh no argument there. I would be curious to know if it could be shown that
>C= had a larger manufacturing cost per unit than Gateway does. IF they do,
>how could they get it down? If they don't, we are (no surprise) buying IRving
>Gould lots of martinis.

I don't know anything about C='s manufacturing costs, but there is little
doubt that they are higher than Gateway's.  As much as I like the A3000, 
I believe that it could stand a trip to the same fat-farm that trimmed the
A1000 down into the A500 and the A500 down to the A600.  If the rumors about
the A3400 are true, it sounds as if they've done just that.

A few years ago I remember hearing that C= was able to keep their costs
down since they owned a silicon foundry.  I began to believe that C= 
would be introducing new and improved versions of the chipset at regular
intervals and felt secure in the knowledge that new Amigas would be 
available.  It was not until I started reading the newsgroups that I 
found out how difficult it is for C= to introduce anything new.  It is
not that the talent is not there, I'm truly impressed with the engineers
that they have and just wish that there were more of them.  The problem
is that the C= foundry is stuck with old technology and new designs just
are not feasible.  I certainly hope that the rumors of new production
facilities are true and that C= can get back on track.

>>(attempt at explaining the negative whining about C= deleted)

>All I can say is it seems as though everything is hinging in w.o.c. next
>month. I really hope C= knows the anticipation here. I have never seen 
>anything like the anticipation to this show. It really sounds like their 
>"make or break" chance. If they get out new machines with at least sane 
>prices and advertize them, things will look mighty good. If not, it may 
>well be the end of CBM.  :-(

I seem to be experiencing deja'vu (sp?).  About this time last year there
were similar rumblings on this newsgroup concerning the machines to be
shown at a developer's conference or some-such thing.  When it became
obvious that C= wasn't going to release the machines, I gave them till
the end of '92 before I jumped ship.  I'm ready to buy one of the new
machines as soon as possible as long as they are real improvements and
are reasonably priced.  Heck, I'll pay a somewhat unreasonable price if
they'd just get the darn things out the door.  :-)

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu




Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:12:08 GMT

Michael van Elst (mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
: Hehe. I was just commenting to the fact that Microsoft named their
: products as if it were _the_ one and true incarnation of an idea.
: They make DOS (noone says MSDOS), the make WINDOWS, the sell the MOUSE,

Your wrong.  People in this group and others call thier products with
these names: DOS, Windows, Mouse, (Word is another).  The real names that
Microsoft gives them is:

MS-DOS
Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Mouse
Microsoft Word for Windows (or for the Mac)
Microsoft C/C++

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:37:53 GMT

In <tempelma.713787010@durrenhorn> tempelma@prl.philips.nl (Harald Tempelman) writes:
>But it's a *slow* interface...  Compare it to the 386/486 boards with IDE
>interface: it's the bottleneck of these machines.

IDE is not too slow except for the very new high performance disks.
And in this case SCSI-1 won't help much either. For the standard disks
used by most people (something in the <250MB range) IDE is fast and
sufficient and most important: cheap.

I'd regret not to have a streamer port built in with an IDE controller.

Regards,
-- 
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: amiga vs. falcon 030
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:47:52 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> We hear all this talk about the A600 and how it really isn't that
-> bad...
-> I'm just curious to know if you had a choice between purchasing an
-> Amiga 600 for $400 or a Falcon 030 (with specs. that were mentioned
-> here) for $700, which would you buy?
->
-> Would it be worth the extra $300 for the greater graphics
-> resolutions, CD quality sound, 68030 at 16 MHz, DSP at 32 MHz,
-> numeric keypad, direct processor socket, 1.44 disk drive, built-in
-> fan, internal clock, MIDI ports, headphone and microphone ports, DSP
-> port, bi-directional parallel port, LAN, and greater memory expansion
-> capabilities?
->
-> If the A600 was at $300 and the Falcon 030 at $700, would you be
-> willing to pay an extra $400 for all those features?
->
-> Right now, I'm between both companies.  I'm trying to have an
-> objective view but when I see all those other features that the
-> Falcon has, I have to side with the Falcon.
->
-> Of course, it may be bugged up upon release...

I wouldn't buy an Amiga 600 because I would require a more powerful
system. I wouldn't buy an Atari Falcon 030 because I would want software
to run on a more powerful Computer.
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From: mohrc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Connecting a I*M keyboard to an Amiga 500
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:17:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug20.031739.5405
Followup-To: Poster
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I need some help. I have an amiga 500 that i want to put an external keyboard
on. I have gotten my hands on a nice IBM clone keyboard (extended) that is
perfect for it. What i need to know is if anyone has ever done this before
and how? It will not work as a straight hookup as i tried the keyboard in a
friends 2000 and it printed the wrong chars and some repetitve (it was printing
alot of 8's as soon as i open a cli). what i would like to do is find out what
wiring and or componets i may need then i want to make an external keyboard
jack on the side of the 500 that the drive is on and if possible include a 
switch to shutoff my built in keyboard when using the external (yes i want to
keep the original keyboard in place) keyboard. If someone has done  this or
knows how please E-Mail me as i dont read alot of these tech groups. I KNOW
that an IBM keyboard CAN be used in a 500 because several companys sell adapters
but the cheapest one i have seen is around $50 and i dont want to pay that much 
for what is probably $10 worth of parts.

please E-Mail your reply I can summerize any i receive.

mohrc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: arenderman update!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:28:29 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca's message of 19 Aug 92 03:46:26 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Aug 92 03:46:26 GMT, cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) said:
> In article <ejlove.0383@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca> ejlove@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (E. John Love) writes:
>> I would very MUCH like to see RenderMan compatibility on the Amiga! 
>> Why in fact I know of one fellow who is developing a truly RenderMan-compatible 
>> modeller and renderer for the Amiga right now!  
>>

> For script-based 3D package, we have POV-TRACE and RAY-DANCE etc. So,
> why are we going for RENDERMAN?

Because its an accepted standard that will let you work with a lot of other systems and tools?

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagemaster - what is it ??
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:39:55 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Wed 12 Aug 92 15:37, Smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (michae
wrote:

 S> Example:
 S> say I want to asterist a pic.  I see that 'Paint func.' and 'Process
 S> func'
 S> are up.  So I would click on Paint.  *BUZZ* its under process!  Why?  
 S> I would consider that `painting' on to the picture instead of 
 S> processing the picture (IMHO).  

There are two processes. One asterizes the whole picture (or any selected
part of it) by finding all highlight points and asterizing those points.
The other creates a large point in an area that you define. These are
similar operations, and one is obviously a processing function, and the
other is arguably one too.

I guess it takes a while to "GROK" Imagemaster. I resisted at first, but
now I fly around the buttons and do not give it another thought. 

 S> Another problem with the buttons is that it takes noticable time to
 S> pop up
 S> the next screenful of buttons.  Once a function has been selected, I
 S> would
 S> expect some time to create the custom structure, but I really dont
 S> want to wait around as the next level of buttons are created.  Very
 S> slow
 S> in this case on a 500.

I guess BB didn't expect too many people to be doing any serious image
processing on an underpowered (by today's standards) machine. The buttons
pop up just fine on my machine. :)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: arenderman update!
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.854.8310@dosgate> "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com> writes:
>DATE: Aug 12, 1992
>
>Hi All,
>Ok, so far I received ONLY about 12 replies to my AmigaRenderMan
>petition...  c'mon people, there gotta be more interest in this
>than just that!!
>
>I'm going to extend the deadline til Aug 19!! Get those responses in!
>
>Once Again:
>I'm trying to convince PIXAR to either consider porting over or
>speed up the creation of AmigaRenderMan.  Your part is to just
>E-mail a response to me saying that 'Yea I'd dig having a version
>of Renderman for my favorite computer, the Amiga' or some such,
>you get the idea... also include a price you would like to see
>the product available at, under $500, $500-$800, over $800 (ha!).
>
>PS: the MacRenderman has be reduced from $795 to $495 list, just
>    something to keep in mind when thinking up a resonable price.

We already have so many rendering package in the market. How good is the
RenderMan?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:25:00 +0200
From: Manfred_J._Heinze@mowgli.fido.de (Manfred J. Heinze)
Subject: arenderman update!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
X-Comment-To: (Andre Yew)
Organization: Mowgli-BBS - AMIGA/HP48 only, +49-241-405949, V32bis, HST 

Hi there,
I would be very interested in the Renderman package on the Amiga. Do you think 
you can put enough pressure on them to release it for Amiga? Did you have any 
contact to them? What did they say? I would be really surprised ... and it 
would be a big step for the Amiga to get a reputation as a professional machine 
- as which I am using it since 5 years.
Keep on,
Manfred
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