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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:58:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.134823.11941@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>
>	A freind of mine and I are in a HEATED DISCUSSION, and maybe a few
>of the more knowledgable fans out there can help clarify our disagreement.
>
>	In the 1975-1976 and 1976-1977 seasons Cleveland had a profesional 
>Hockey team of some sorts.
>
>	I feel it was the (NHL) Cleveland Barons, that eventually folded
>and joined forces or became the NOW Minnesota North Stars.
>
>	My freind feels that the Cleveland Barons were NEVER an (NHL) team
>and the Cleveland Barons were no more than an (AHL) or (IHL) team. And that
>the Minnesota North Stars were formed sometime in the 1960's.
>
>	Which is the correct answer, or are neither of us correct!
>
>- Dan

Wow, talk about timing!  I just finished reading an article about Cleveland
and hockey.  It talks about the Lumberjacks and the Barons.  

Here is the Baron's history: (Reprinted without permission from "The Scene,
Oct. 8-14)

"Cleveland hasn't had a pro hockey team since 1978, when the NHL Cleveland
 Barons were disbanded and merged with the Minnesota North Stars.  The NHL
 Barons (formerly Charlie Finley's abysmal California Golden Seals) spent only
 2 seasons here.  They finished a distant last both years and got very little
 of the TV coverage a modern team needs to build a memorable identity.

 An earlier and more stable edition of the Cleveland Barons played for almost
 40 years in the American Hockey League.  They garnered such strong fan support
 that the NHL begged Barons owner Al Sutphin to join their league.  He 
 repeatedly declined, preferring to preserve his hearty profit margin by paying
 minor league salaries in the AHL.

 The AHL Barons' support waned in the mid-60's, as they failed to step into
 the TV age of pro sports.  When the NHL expanded in the late 60's, Cleveland
 didn't get a franchise.  And when longtime AHL rival cities like Pittsburgh and
 Buffalo joined the major league and Cleveland didn't, the interest of the local
 hockey fan waned further.

 The final blow to Cleveland's interest in hockey occured between 1972 and 
 1978.  The 1972-72 season saw the AHL Barons and the Crusaders of the World
 Hockey Association competing for Cleveland's hockey fans' loyalty.  That
 competition for the hockey dollar killed the Barons, forcing them to move to
 Jackson, Florida.

 Then suddenly in 1976, the Crusaders were killed off.  The blundering Golden
 Seals came to town, took the name of the Barons and dirtied it by playing a
 pathetic brand of hockey.  Local hockey fans, faced with pledging their loyalty
 to 3 different hockey teams over a 4 year span, were understandably dazed and
 confused.  The unfortunate domino effect of those effects killed hockey 
 interest in Cleveland."

Lori
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Subject: Re: Pens Uniforms
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:02:52 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct8.151228.29869@sei.cmu.edu>, caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) writes:
> I don't think the away jerseys were copied from the Rangers.  When I went to
> the Penguin Carnival this past summer, they had a memorabilia booth and there
> were old jerseys on display.  I recall seeing a jersey with Pittsburgh going
> down the jersey diagonally and it was blue and white.  I can't remember what
> year it was from.  Anyone?
> 
> Carol

In any case, the Penguins were admitted to the NHL in 1967. The Rangers have
been around since the 20's. (Hell, they had been without a Stanley Cup for 27
years already before Pittsburgh came on the scene! :-) ) 

The Rangers have been wearing that uniform for a LONG time. So it's still a
copy of the Rangers uniform.....

								Alan
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: SHARKS Current Roster
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:29:45 GMT

In article <31220010@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> richardg@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Richard Grimmett) writes:
>
>	So, is Ray Whitney skating?  Is he going to be able to play 
>immediately?  Just curious.

I guess I should have clarified...  Whitney is not skating, but nor has he
been sent to Kansas City yet.  When he is ready to skate, he will be sent to
Kansas City for a rehab assignment and then recalled.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Dean Evason for Selke!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Lindros in Quebec??
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:31:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: DMI.Bw2rK5.Msu
Organization: U de Sherbrooke -- LIIT adicts - ANS - Ascot Boyz -

In article <1992Oct13.113330.1@husky1.stmarys.ca> gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>Is Lindros going to play at Quebec tonight.  TSN is televising the game for us
>devoted hockey fans in eastern Canada.  I don't know who else is getting the
>game, but I am expecting a very high scoring, rough game.  The flyers will be
>tested tonight as they bring their unbeaten record to the likes of Sakic,
>Nolan, Sundin, Ricci, Kamensky, and Curtis L.
>-- 

	I don<t know if I<ll catch it on televison but I<ve heard on the radio
that a lot of people would get there dressed like babies (dipers and pacifiers)
to protest the attitude of "Bebe Lindros" like we say in french.

Tourfman


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From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bob Sweeny becomes a Sabre
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:36:54 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bw2qux.9xn@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>series.  Any honest fan will tell you that.  There's one big change,
>though, for Buffalo:  This year they're playing with more heart than
>they ever have.  

There's about 20 big changes for Buffalo this year.  As #1, I
would put "This team is assembled and coached by John Muckler".

I haven't started a hockey season feeling as optimistic as this about 
the Sabres since... errr... well, ever.  :-)

-- 
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swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
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From: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie)
Subject: Re: Pens Uniforms
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:41 GMT

In <1992Oct9.160252.2781@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.151228.29869@sei.cmu.edu>, caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) writes:
>> I don't think the away jerseys were copied from the Rangers.  When I went to
>> the Penguin Carnival this past summer, they had a memorabilia booth and there
>> were old jerseys on display.  I recall seeing a jersey with Pittsburgh going
>> down the jersey diagonally and it was blue and white.  I can't remember what
>> year it was from.  Anyone?
>> 
>> Carol

>In any case, the Penguins were admitted to the NHL in 1967. The Rangers have
>been around since the 20's. (Hell, they had been without a Stanley Cup for 27
>years already before Pittsburgh came on the scene! :-) ) 

>The Rangers have been wearing that uniform for a LONG time. So it's still a
>copy of the Rangers uniform.....

>                                                               Alan



The pens new uniform sucks.  They should have kept the old ones.
From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens Uniforms
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:20:23 GMT
	<1992Oct8.115553.27828@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 08-Oct-92 in Re: Pens Uniforms            
user daniel.a.miller@cbnews.c writes:
>In article <92281.223920MCR114@psuvm.psu.edu> Mike Rapach
<MCR114@psuvm.psu.edu
>> writes:
>>Hi folks. I was watching the game on Tue night, and the first thing
that came t
>>o mind was "God, those uniforms are ugly."  The diamond thing on the
shoulders
>>is what does it.  It's just not as sleek or stylish as the old
version.  I real
>>ly wish they would have reconsidered this before the season started. I
can live
>> with the logo (barely) but the uniforms are bad.
>>
>>                                                 Mike
> 
> 
>	I think that this is just a ploy by a team with an enormous 
>payroll to encourage fans to purchase more merchandise. If you have an
>old jersey... to be back in style you MUST by the new one right???

This is the sixth year I'm wearing the same, old jersey to the Pens games.
However, it's been hinted that I'll be getting a new jersey for Christmas.

I have noticed, so far at one pre-season and one regular-season Pens game,
a good number of people wearing something with the new logo - whether it
be a jersey, t-shirt, sweatshirt, jacket, cap, etc.  I have also noticed a
few fans wearing new jersey #92 with Tocchet's name on it (for those that
don't know, Tocchet reverted to his old Flyers #22 this season).

I'm sure the team's going to make plenty on sales of merchandise with the
new logo on it.  If there was a good time for Howard Baldwin to make the
change, it was right when the Pens have been a hot item, and I'm sure there
will be plenty of sales all across North America (not to the extent of the
Sharks' merchandise last year, though).
====================================================================
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From: gmkimura@cayley.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: Bryan Trottier
Originator: gmkimura@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:22:38 GMT
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: You may not see the standings like this again
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:48:01 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Oct9.070503.16567@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Ottawa Senators         1  0  0   2   5   3   1  0  0   5   3   0  0  0   0   0 
>Boston Bruins           1  0  0   2   3   2   1  0  0   3   2   0  0  0   0   0 



>San Jose Sharks         1  0  0   2   4   3   1  0  0   4   3   0  0  0   0   0 
>Vancouver Canucks       1  0  0   2   5   4   0  0  0   0   0   1  0  0   5   4 
>
>Why the program put SJ ahead of Van is a mystery, but it makes for a meaty
>post (it's not a mystery, it's alphabetical 8-).

No, because then Boston would be ahead of Ottawa.  Apparently the program
is smart enough to compare the GF/GA ratio.:

Ottawa  5-3 ->  10/6 ratio
Boston  3-2 ->  9/6 ratio

San-Jose  4-3 ->  16/12 ratio
Vancouver 5-4 ->  15/12 ratio

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
From: carrie@hongkong.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-7 Islanders-3
Keywords: Lemieux-5 points
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:01:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: hongkong.wpi.edu

In article <Bvv1LM.KHq.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>The Pens had more scoring attempts in the opening minutes, but it was the Isles
>that went on the board first.  Grant Jennings (who sucks bigtime) was turned 
>around at the blue line and lost the puck to Jeff Norton.  ? Berg and Scott
                                                           ^^^^^^^
                                                    That's Bill Berg, if anyone
                                                    cares (my favorite player)
                                                    Way to go Bill! That's 2
                                                    games, 2 goals!

>LaChance broke in on a 2-1.  Murphy was the lone defenseman back and couldn't
>break up the play.  Berg fired the shot past Barrasso from a little left of the 
>right faceoff circle.  I think it was the Isles first shot on goal, but I'm
>not sure.  The shot clock facing my end of the arena was turned off the entie
>firs period. 
>
>Lori

Thanks for the great summary Lori!

Carrie
carrie@wpi.wpi.edu
GO INDIANS!!!!!!!!
GO ISLANDERS!!!!!!
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From: mpreslar@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Martin Preslar)
Subject: Status of Randy Burridge?
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:50:15 GMT

Does anyone out there know whether Burridge is playing yet?
What is the status of the injury he had at the end of last 
season?  I managed to get him in the draft of our hockey pool
and need to know whether to put him on Injured reserve or not.

Thanks in advance.

Marty
GO WINGS!!!!!!

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From: schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein)
Subject: Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:31:58 GMT

In <1992Oct13.142034.20308@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.164343.18197@pixel.kodak.com> clare@bissun.kodak.com (Bill Clare) writes:

>>Hartford was known as "New England" in the WHA.  I'll bet the reason for the
>>name change upon entry to the NHL was Boston taking issue with it, but I
>>don't actually know this to be true.

>I don't think the New England Whalers played in Hartford during the WHA 
>days ... anyone remember for certain?

Didn't they shuttle back and forth between Hartford and Springfield, Mass?

tv's wisecracking peter
From: jpb@globule.cam.org (Zebigbos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS in Quebec...
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:16:52 GMT
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[ jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes in article <1992Oct14.172159.27028@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>: ]
:I think Lindros showed alot of class and intelligence during the game,
:along with some pretty good hockey skills.  The Nordiques were running at
:him all night, but he realized in such a close game that his presence was
:much more needed on the ice than in the penalty box.  Circle Thursday,
:December 3 on your calendar, folks.  That's when Quebec makes its first
:visit to the Spectrum.  If the Flyers get a good size lead, there is one
:Owen Nolan who had better steer clear of Eric Lindros.

Actually, Nolan came up to Lindros in the second period and Lindros went away.
A few minutes later he got into a shoving match with Gusarov.  Real tough.


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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: More Thoughts about Flyers-Penguins
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:52:27 GMT

In article <Bvt2xB.AFp.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.124758.13672@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>
>>his stick.  By your testimony, all those goals that were counted because
>>the players missed the puck on a rebound but happened to go in off their
>>skate, should be disallowed.  And as far as Hoggarth is concerned, he
>>could see what was going on, albeit through the net.  The reason the
>>goal should have been allowed is because he did not direct the puck into
>>the net purposefully with any part of his body.  He may have thought that
>>if he missed w/ his stick that he was going into the net regardless, but
>>he didn't throw the puck in the net.  If you have never have seen a hockey
>>game in which the puck has gone into the net off of the body when the
>>player missed with his stick then I apologize for the above remarks.
>>
>>
>Spare me you condesending attitude.
>
>The puck wasn't going anywhere.  It had come to a stop on the edge of the line.
>He missed the puck with his stick, and pushed it in with his arms/body.  It 
>was obvious he was aware what he was doing.   That's directing the puck,
>and it's not allowed.  Just because it has happened before and goals haven't 
>been disallowed doesn't mean that every goal scored in this manner should be
>legal.
>
>By the way, goals that have bounced off skates, regardless of whether the player
>intentionally or accidently directed in, have been disallowed.  If you have
>never seen that happen before, then I apologize for my above remarks.
>
>Lori

I'd have to point out that, in most games I have seen, if a puck goes in 
off a player's skate, or goes in as a result of crashing the net where the
original attempt is to put the puck in with a stick, the goal is usually
allowed.  To come up with some examples, last year in the Canadiens / Bruins
playoff, Montreal crashed the net a couple of times for goals.  And for
a very good example of pucks going in off skates, you may remember Joel 
Otto's goal which eliminated the Vancouver Canucks from the 1989 playoffs
in overtime in the 7th game, in (I know this will attract some flames, no
pun intended) what was probably the turning point of that playoff season.
The puck clearly went in off Otto's skate, and it was not clearly unintentional.

My 2 cents. :)

Charlie Cook

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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Floating Lindros
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:03:38 GMT


If Eric had a lousy game and seemed to be floating vs the Pens, I think it's
a good sign.  If he can score 1 and almost set up 2 others, when he has a
bad game, imagine what he'll do when he's playing well!!!

I can't wait to see what he's gonna do vs the lousy teams (ie. Hartford/Ottawa)

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: TB vs. Minnesota, 10/10
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:51:35 GMT

TB  - 0 1 0 - 1
MIN - 1 1 0 - 2

1 - MIN Courtnall 2 (Broten)             0:29

2 - MIN Broten 2    (Courtnall, McPhee)  0:13
    TB  Crossman 1  (DiMaio, Cole)      10:06

3 - none

Shots on goal: TB  7- 9- 4--20
               MIN 8-16-11--35
Power-plays:   TB  0 of 4
               MIN 0 of 4
Goalies:       TB  Young 1-1-0, 35 shots, 33 saves
               MIN Casey 2-0-0, 20 shots, 19 saves
Attendance:    14,322

-----

LIGHTNING LOSE THEIR 1ST GAME

* Tampa Bay falls, 2-1, to Minnesota despite Young's 33 saves

The Minnesota North Stars struck faster than Lightning Saturday night at the
Met Center and sent Tampa Bay back on the road with a 2-1 loss, its first in
franchise history.

The Stars used Russ Courtnall's goal 29 seconds into the first period and
Neal Broten's goal 13 seconds into the second period to build a 2-0 cushion,
then held off the expansion Lightning in a game made exciting only by the
score. Those were the only mistakes by Tampa Bay goalie Wendell Young, who had
33 saves.

"I think we played the game we had to play tonight. It's the game we had been
forewarned about," Stars coach Bob Gainey said, referring to a dismal preseason
trip to Florida a month ago. "If we had tried to be more creative or had tried
too move the puck more or if we had handled it more than we did, we could have
had trouble.

"Tampa doesn't have a lot of players who are distinctive individuals. They
play a team game. We didn't have a checking line or an offensive line because
every line from Tampa plays the same."

Stars goalie Jon Casey faced only 20 shots in winning his second game but
faced enough tough shots to be named the game's No. 1 star.

Basil McRae, the Stars' enforcer the past five seasons but now a member of the
Lightning, had as many good scoring chances as his teammates, bouncing one
shot off the goal post and another off Casey's mask.

Courntall scored on the game's first shift. Broten won a faceoff to the left of
Tampa Bay goalie Wendell Young, followed the puck as it was kicked back, and
slipped a pass into the slot, where Courtnall made quick work of it.

Broten doubled the Stars' lead with is second-period goal. This time, Courtnall
provided the setup with a rush from the right that left Young helpless to do
anything about Broten's rebound shot.

The quality of chances improved for Tampa Bay. Chris Kontos, who scored four
goals in the Lightning's opener, shot the puck behind Casey off the far post
[no it was the center of the crossbar!], but neither team could score until
Doug Crossman's goal at 10:06 cut Tampa Bay's deficit to one.

With a delayed penalty about to be called on the Stars' Mike Craig, Rob DiMaio
led the [3-on-2] rush toward Casey and left the puck for Crossman, who scored
on a drive from 30 feet.

Tom

P.S. A funny line omitted from the game notes: "How popular is Basil McRae [in
Minnesota]? He needed 149 tickets [to the game for friends]!" TB mailing list
game notes are available via e-mail.
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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Subject: KONTOS  (was -- Re: OJANEN/RUUTTU?
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:46:26 GMT

hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:

>PS. I think that Chris Kontos played here for Ilves (Tampere) some years ago.
>    His credit was something like 16 goals in 44 games (?). He wasn't
>    any 'superstar', but I think that the management was quite satisfied
>    with his performance.

In my 1990-91 NHL Guide, Kontos is listed as having played for Ilves
twice - once in 1985-86, and again in 1988-89.  The suspicious thing
is that the stats are the same for each of these years:  16 goals,
15 assists, 30 PIM in 36 games.  Could someone check this out to see
if one of these entries is wrong?  It's empirically possible, of
course, but it seems unlikely to me.  


=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- 

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]
From: colletwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WCHA #1 Prediction
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:15:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

#1 Prediction for the WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Assocciation.)
 
University of Minnesota

     While losing Larry Olimb, Doug Zmolek, Trent Klatt, Cory Laylin, and Jeff 
Stolp, the Gophers will still have WCHA Rookine of the Year "Darby
Hendrickson". Along with Travis Richards and Steve Magnusson.  Not to mention a
former teammate of mine Chris Macalpine at the defense.  As well as a great
stock of incomming freshman.