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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Rutskoi, Moldova and Estonian citizenship
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:55:18 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

In his speech to the People's Deputy Congress (did I get it
right?) the Russian vice president Alexander Rutskoi proclaimed
his support for the Transdniestrian republic, and said that it
is Russia's duty to protect Russian citizens no matter on which
territory they are. When asked by a deputy if he didn't under-
stand the distinction between Russian citizens and Russian-
speaking, he answered that he fully consciously had spoken of
Russian citizens, referring to the members of the former 14th
Soviet army. (Source: Svenska Dagbladet, April 7th.)

Now, what has this do with Estonian citizenship? This time
Rutskoi spoke of Moldova, but who knows who his next target
might be. By refusing the Russians participation in the coming
elections, and putting up non-trivial obstacles for citizen-
ship, Estonia is serving guys like Rutskoi arguments on a gold
plate.

Today, Rutskoi doesn't have much final say, but we don't know 
how long the fragile democracy in Russia will last. If there is a
coup, it is not unlikely that Rutskoi will take over, And whoever
it is, we can fear that the same sort of arguments or worse
(remember Zhirinosky!) will come to use. The fact that Estonia
hosts a significant number of Russian citizens could for instance 
be an excellent pretext of refusing to withdraw the army from Estonia.

Instead of trying to exclude Russians from citizenship in Estonia,
they should not only have given citizenship to those who had lived
there for some period (say 5-10 years), excluding officers and
soldiers in a foreign army, but also actively encouraged the
Russian population to seek Estonian citizenship.

Having a big group of non-citizens is never good for the stability
in a country, and definitely not when this group actually have
lived long enough in the country to call it their home.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:3383 soc.culture.soviet:3023 soc.college:1873
From: 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
Subject: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:40:37 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


" Help! I need somebody! Help, not just anybody..."

To whom might be interested!!!

 My name is Sergei,I am a student from St.Petersburg.I used to study in 
 St.Petersburg State University.Now,I am studying in the University of
 Kansas.Unfortunately, I need to go to Russia after the end of this semester,
 if I don't find $ 3000 for tuition.I have already found a room to live, 
 so tuition is the only problem for me now.I am majoring in business/administr.
 After graduation I am planning to return back to Russia and try to find
 a job from an American company(in 2.5-3 years).If you can help me,or know
 any information which can be useful for me,please, send me a message.
 BTW does anybody know, if it is possible to change my tuition status from
 out-of-state to in-state ? I need to find this money before the end of May.
 Thank you,very much if you want to help me.

 Sincerely yours,
   Sergei Emdin.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: Sovok
Summary: --
Keywords: russian 
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 03:44:28 GMT



In <9204110039.AA20325@pX4.stfx.ca> belaya@PX4.STFX.CA writes:


>As I undestood,here "sovok" has the forth meaning  - the state,ex-USSR.
>This meaning is the invention
>of the networker and emmigreiters.Inside ex-USSR this meaning does
>not use.
>Vic.Levadniy  

Let me object to you. I had heard this word being in exUSSR. All my
former friends in Moscow used to use this word in the meaning of USSR.

Vlad Sukhanovsky.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Stalin and WWII (was Re: Capitalist restoration in the USSR)
Keywords: marxism
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:57:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.122229.17765@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> vadim@ldgo.columbia.edu (vadim levin) writes:

>It was quite a popular idea in Moscow in the year I left it (1988)
>that without Uncle Joe and the terror his ( and communists' in general)
>image imposed on the western world the rise of fascism in Germany 
>could have been avoided. I can't back this statement by quotes and references,
>but to the best of my "rememberance' ideas like that usually went 
>hand in hand with criticizms of Stalin's "military genius".

>Since both the Red Army and the "military genius" heading it are direct
>results of marxist experiments in Russia, I find it hard to access what is
>better : to have the Red Army that defeats Hitler AND the "genius of all times
>and nations" or to have none of the above ( and a possibility of not having Hitler
>either.

Well, given that Stalin's military genius included purging the army of
most of its experienced officers immediately before World War II, it's
probably fair to say that the Red Army prevailed despite the "genius
of all times and nations" rather than because of him.  Robert Conquest's
_The Great Terror_ notes that the Purge accounted for:

3 of the 5 Marshals
13 of the 15 Army Commanders
8 of the 9 Fleet Admirals and Admirals Grade I
50 of the 57 Corps Commanders
154 of the 186 Divisional Commanders
16 of the 16 Army Commissars
25 of the 28 Corps Commissars
58 of the 64 Divisional Commissars

along with 98 of the 108 members of the Supreme Military Soviet,
about 36,000 Army officers, over 3000 naval officers (though about
13,000 of the combined total were eventually re-enrolled).
Stalin started the war with twice as many planes as Hitler (10-11,000
to 5,000) and nearly three times as many tanks (12,000 to 4,300), and
while the Soviet planes were technically inferior, the tanks weren't.
But the vast majority of the Soviet officers had not had any military
education beyond junior lieutenants' courses and regimental schools
Between that and the destruction of Soviet agriculture by collectivization,
it's probably fair to say that Stalin is largely responsible for the
fact that Germany could even consider attacking Russia, or that
the war went on as long and was as touch and go as it was.  Someone
only half as murderously insane as Stalin, with only half as stupid
an economic policy and an equal hunger for territorial conquest, could
have had Soviet troops on the Atlantic shore by 1945.

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
From: HAMMER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU ("Darrell P. Hammer ", Political Science)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Sovok's black/white list
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:57:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: INDYCMS.TPS-L%92040820595407
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

There are about 120 million ethnic Russians (80 percent of the total)
in the RF.

Darrell Hammer
Indiana University
From: bq321@cleveland.freenet.edu ("Sergei A. Viznyuk")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Crimea
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:47:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwns16.9204152247.AA25741
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

Here are the result of recent poll conducted in Crimea
("Novoe Russkoe Slovo", Apr.9,1992):

more than 59% people are for Crimea joining Russia,
31% are for independent Crimea republic,
6% are for Crimea joining Ukraine.

S.V.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: Re: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:19:04 GMT


If you got money to go to school before, why you don't want to use the same
source now? Oh, if you want to get $3000 in hard cold cash you might try
to find a rich girlfriend and marry her. Or try to find a job as a business
consultant for some company doing business with Russia.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Sovok's black/white list
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:15:06 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

(Reposted, since first attempt probably failed. Apologies if you
see this twice.)

Sergei Viznyuk writes:
)Here I compiled for the first time the list

And, please let it be the last time too.

)1:   Russia        First level. I believe among former
)                   Sovok's republic only Russia could
)                   pretend on this level. Russia cannot be
)                   now accused of violation of any human
)                   rights. But there is no developed democratic
)                   institutions as yet.
)
)2:                 Second level. There are two sub-groups in
)a)  BeloRussia,    this level. These republics could be
)    Kazakhstan;    considered almost as democratic as
)b)  Lithuania,     Russia unless they were not overrun by (a)
)    Latvia         former communists, and (b) by nationalists.

Of course we all know which party good old Boris used to belong
too, but I assume since he is Russian he does not count.

)                   Group (b) includes Estonia and Moldova which have
)                   both degenerated into semi-facist regimes with
)                   outspoken violation of human rights, especially
)                   those of minorities.

While I have strongly criticized Estonia's citizenship law, I have
to disagree violently against calling Estonia semi-fascist.

But then again, we all know that Viznyuk seldom knows what he is
talking about, don't we? Informed nationalist fanatics can be a
pain to read, but uninformed ones are definitely worse.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: jbharlan@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (John B Harlan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Test
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

This is a test of the TPS-L / talk.politics.soviet gateway by the TPS-L list
owner.  Please ignore.
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: A SOLUTION to UNWANTED TURKISH POSTINGS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

tkacz@CS.UWindsor.Ca (Peter Theodosius Tkacz) writes:
>     Besides, if a person decides to post a posting that is 10 K long, and
>posts that posting to five different groups, then that postings eats up 
>50 K of valuable disk space on every server.

You ahe absolutely no idea how the NEWS software works, do you, Tkacz?
Unless you are on a very broken system, that posting will take exactly 10K
+ 5 inodes to point to the copies + 5 times the name length characters in 
newsgroup directories.  I.e. it's still essentially 10K.  

If your system is over-burdened by a few 10K articles, turn off your
alt.binaries, comp.sys.amiga, comp.sys.ibm-pc, comp.sys.mac and alt.sex
feeds.  You will see a great surge in the disk space.

>I'm for this.

Good for you.  But you could start your crussade by learning how to use KILL
files and solve the problem.  A simple line like "/.*culture.turk.*/a:j"
in your KILL file will get rid of the Mutlu & Co. and all replies to them.
-- 
"... i heard the droning / in the shrine
	     of the sea-monkey / palace of the brine ..." -- Pixies.
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.college
Subject: Re: HELP RUSSIAN STUDENT
From: johnbass@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:16:36 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Apr11.231109.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, johnbass@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.224037.39251@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2frkfloat@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> 
>> " Help! I need somebody! Help, not just anybody..."
>> 
>> To whom might be interested!!!
>> 
>>  My name is Sergei,I am a student from St.Petersburg.I used to study in 
>>  St.Petersburg State University.Now,I am studying in the University of
>>  Kansas.Unfortunately, I need to go to Russia after the end of this semester,
>>  if I don't find $ 3000 for tuition.I have already found a room to live, 
>>  so tuition is the only problem for me now.I am majoring in business/administr.
>>  After graduation I am planning to return back to Russia and try to find
>>  a job from an American company(in 2.5-3 years).If you can help me,or know
>>  any information which can be useful for me,please, send me a message.
>>  BTW does anybody know, if it is possible to change my tuition status from
>>  out-of-state to in-state ? I need to find this money before the end of May.
>>  Thank you,very much if you want to help me.
>> 
>>  Sincerely yours,
>>    Sergei Emdin.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: jbharlan@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (John B Harlan)
Subject: Msg for Robert Bradbury
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:59:28 -0500

     Would Robert Bradbury please send me an e-mail msg at
JBHarlan@IndyVAX.IUPUI.Edu?  My system's newsreader did not show your
return address, and I have something of possible interest for you.
Thanks.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: Romania, Moldova, Russia
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:47:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.140232.20541@cs.brown.edu> aas@cs.brown.edu (Alex Allister Shvartsman) writes:
>In recent weeks much discussion concentrated on Moldova and its "belonging"
>to Russia and "not belonging" to Romania.  I think that the historical
>record and the ethnic and cultural composition of Moldova clearly indicate
>that Basarabia, i.e., East Moldova, is an integral part of the contemporary
>Romanian nation.
>
>The usual self-appointed defenders of Russian/Soviet empires have disputed
>this fact. What is interesting and telling is that in the XIXth cent. even
>some Russo-centric Slavophiles (e.g., those whose goal was to unite the
>Slavic world under the leadership of Russian Empire) considered Moldovan
>populated Basarabia a part of Romania even after its annexation by Russia.
>
>Truly the neo-imperial "Russophiles" are trying to be holier than the Pope.
>
>Alex
>

  Alex Shvartsmaniuk it seems overslept today night. Did anybody see on
this list any "russophiles" who claimed that Moldova "belongs" to Russia ?
S.V.

P.S. Most peculiar thing about Ukrainian nationalists is that they are
     ready and willing to betray (like Saddam Kravchuk's goverment)
     their own Ukrainian people, whether they are on the left bank
     od Dnestr, or elsewhere.
From: VIZNYUK@ohstpy.bitnet
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Vizniuk vs. Russkaja Mysl'
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MPS.35DE98A5A02076AA
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

> Alex:
> Sergei, please address your complaints to the newspaper
> "Russkaja Mysl'" .....

   Dear Alex
   I have no doubts about your ability to read newspapers
and reproduce the newspaper articles, no matter how stupid
those articles are. However I have some doubts about your
ability to make out anything reasonable from all those
books and newspapers you read, or at least something
that would not contradict common sense. After living
that would not contradict common sense. While living
in Sovok I have met dozens if not hundreds of
"scientists" in "humanities" such as "History of CPSU",
"Historical Materialism", "Scientific Comminism" whose
major work actually was to adjust the history, economics,
etc courses according to political views of their
bosses. Most of those "scientists" (at least in PhysTech
where I studied) were pretty well-educated people, who
read no less books than you did, dear Alex. Thus I
had some opportunity to learn how to distingish between
over-educated shitheads and simply sober-minded persons.
Having read your postings, dear Alex, I got an opinion
that you are doing essentially the same kind of things
those Sovok "scientists" did - rewriting the history
in accordance with political views either yours, or
those who pay you. Ungrateful work. You are neither
first, nor last.
S.V.
From: viznyuk@PACIFIC.MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sergei Viznyuk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Nezalezhnaya Ukraina
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: brighton.9204162320.AA12510
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

> From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
>
> In article <9204052004.AA14695@china.mps.ohio-state.edu> "talk.politics.soviet
 via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>So I stay for my assertion that Ukraine was (and, especially
>>now, IS) exclusively the communists's creature.
>>S.V.
>
> Now if your comment were true, why would those I've had contact
> within today's Ukraine, and the hundreds of Ukrainians I've known
> who escaped from the communists following the 2nd world war have
> all unanimously exhibited a hatred of communism.  Why was my father
> so emphatically anti-communist?  Perhaps he and the others knew
> something you don't, or choose to ignore?
>
> I grew up in Canada, singing "Shche Ne Umerla Ukrayina", and the
> Ukrainian flag was for us, and is now, most certainly sky-blue
> over wheat-gold, _without_ the communist emblem.

   You don't understand me. The communism as a state ideology has gone
forever in all Sovok's republics. And not only Ukrainians who hate it.
This is one thing. And quite another thing is that former communist
bosses remain in power throughout the most part of former Sovok,
in particular in all Central Asia republics, Azerbajdzhan, Moldova,
and especially in Ukraine. That's why I consider current Ukraine
was and IS communist creature. There is more than enough
evidence to it.
   Of course those x-communists from x-Sovok republics as they
saw how quickly their "colleagues" in Russia have been kicked off
from their offices, priviliges, etc, quickly transformed into
"national patriots". Especially notorious such transformation
happened to be in Ukraine, where Kravchuk, who in Soviet period
was famous for his persecution of Ukranian nationalists, and
"strangling Ukrainian nationalistic idea" while being Communist
Party propaganda boss, turned over to be an outspoken "nationalist"
struggling with Russian "imperialism" for "nezalezhnuiu Ukrainu".
He didn't even need to change very much his lexicon ! Just changed
"American imperialism" to "Russian imperialism", "American agressive
plots" to "Russian agressive plots", etc in their official language.
Any totalitarian state needs  an external enemy - and they have found
it. Since Kravchuk's goverment has failed to carry through any
economic reforms and even failed their experiments with introduction of
Ukrainian "money" - they accused Russia in all their calamities.
Just as former Sovok's propaganda accused US of all sins besides
bad weather. I'm already not elaborating about Kravchuk's efforts
to get an access to nuclear weapons, thus putting Ukraine into
international isolation.
   Is it such "independent" Ukraine you wanted to see ?
S.V.
From: USERLBNV@umichum.bitnet (William Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: EMU Moscow course:last chance
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

The world is populated by and large by amateurs.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
From: qasama@fledgling (John Steven Grossi)
Subject: re: New ISO codes
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:20:26 GMT

	Recently the new country codes established by the ISO were posted here.
I was wondering if the old .su is no longer valid, or both would be valid for
a while? As I just got my hands on the listing for the CIS that was posted here a while back (It has the .ua and .by extensions (I also think it has the .az ones also)). If the .su extensions are no longer valid, does someone have the 
updated list? If not I will try and go through the list and update though I would rather not if I can avoid it, and I will only do it if there is significant interest....

-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Covdy's obsession with ethnicity (was: Re: N. Bilani
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:34:18 GMT

in article <9204020110.AA19356@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au>, mafjf@LUX.LEVELS.UNISA.EDU.AU (mafjf) says:
# 
# In his Mar 30 posting, Ivan Covdy writes:
# 
#> 1) Again, my deep apologies for naming you a Ukrainian; I didn't
#> expect that it would be so offensive to you, that you'd consider
#> being a Ukrainian as a curse. Excuse me, please.
#> I thought that you were a Ukrainian because your last name (Bilaniuk)
#> is a typical Ukrainian name. Also, your postings have a Ukrainian
#> nationalistic accent, ...........................................
# 
# Ivan,
# 
# Are you familiar with the terms "brown-nosing" and "suck-holing" ?
# If you aren't then you should ask somebody to explain them to you
# because they best describe your sleezy postings to tps.
# Were you born with this problem?
# 
# Frank Jaroslaw Fursenko
# U-SA(University of South Australia)

Hmm, interesting logic:
you are saying that my postings have a nationalistic accent;
hence, you are brown-nosing and suck-holing...

Though, probably, not so interesting: such a "logic" takes place in
postings of all our dear turkish/armenian/ukrainian/etc. nationalists,
nothing new here.

-- 
Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, Metaphor Computer System, CA, USA
 *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
 *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***