From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: In defense of Peter against "Lady" Adrienne
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:36:49 GMT

From article by bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig):
> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) wrote:

>>Not only does Adrienne's arrogance make her think she is above everyone
>>else in the net, but it makes her think she has to the right to kill
>>other human beings who simply get in her way.
> 
> Do you honestly believe that every abortion can be boiled down to just
> a case of a fetus "getting in a woman's way"?

Certainly, except for those cases where the woman's life is at stake,
since there's no point in letting them both die.


>>You know, even women with long complicated labors and deliveries manage 
>>to get over it emotionally and even go on to have MORE children!   WHY?
>>Because the overall outcome -- a beautiful child they quickly fall in love
>>with -- is POSITIVE!
> 
> Suzanne, your opinion, at least as I've read it here on the net over
> the past few weeks, seems to be that if any woman just allowed herself
> to carry her fetus to term and give birth to it, it would be a
> beautiful child and the mother would quickly fall in love with it, and
> that it's always a positive experience for everyone involved.

A variation would be if the woman gave the child to people who wanted to
adopt it.  That is still a positive outcome, even if the initial situation
which caused it was not.


> However, if you would try to justify your pro-life stand even in cases
> where the child isn't 'beautiful' or the mother doesn't love it, then
> perhaps you could discuss your reasoning with us and persuade some of
> us to agree with you.

Are you a parent, Brian?  If you were you would know that EVERY child IS
beautiful.  If the mother doesn't happen to think so, there are millions
of people the world over who do, and would love to love it and raise it.
It is a very sick society that kills the child rather than give it to
the people who DO want to love it and care for it..


> Right now, your assertion that a human fetus must be kept alive at all
> costs leads me to believe that you really haven't thought about the
> costs involved.  

Excuse me.  I said nothing about "at all costs".  What I AM talking about
is --simply leaving nature alone--.   The cost in human lives, suffering,
grief, and frequently even money, is far greater if a child is killed by
abortion, than if he is not.


> If you even would take just a moment to express your
         ^^^^
What do you mean "even"?  Have I done anything else in this forum
the last several years?


> opinions about how a woman should _want_ to avoid an abortion even
> when the situation's not as rosy as you've been painting it, then I'd
> feel that your opinion is worth discussing; 

My "opinion" is worth discussing, whether _you_ think so or not.
Is yours?


> otherwise, it just appears
> to me that you're speaking in ideals, not practical terms that could
> apply to real life.

What else is life for but to strive to bring ideals into reality?  If
not all children are loved now, if so many children are so unloved that
they are put to death at the rate of millions a year, then obviously,
we have a long way to go toward making our society better.


> You feel strongly about abortion.  So do I, and I honestly want to
> know why you feel the way you do, in terms that I can understand.  I'm
> not out to 'convert' you or to belittle your beliefs.

Oh no?  I wonder.   I am pro-life for two reasons, Brian.

1) Because I was once an unborn child myself.
2) Because I am a mother myself and know full well the immeasurable 
   value of what it is that abortion destroys.


> _/_/_/  Brian Kendig

Suzanne Forgach
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