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From: akash@sol.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:38:53 GMT

In article <1gtbp9INN527@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Akash Deshpande writes:
>>All you science-types, prove to me that there is light when the sun is
>>up. Assume
>>that there are no other sources of light, and assume
>>I am blind and in every way impervious to light.
>>-Akash
>
>
>	Ask someone who knows about photocells to make a monstrous solar
>	panel for you. See if you're impervious to the shock which can be 
>	generated.
>
>	FFT
>

Don't see no proof. What is this photo/shoto? I am grounded against shock.
Impervious means impervious, be scientific.

Hmm, do I sense violence?

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sray@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: When did we become regional (confirmed)
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:29:43 GMT

I was somewhat busy lately...  not following the net-news.
May be I got something good to do finally ;)

When did we get the regional groups formed ?
	soc.culture.indian.telugu
	soc.culture.tamil
	alt.?.karnataka

Are there any north Indian counter-parts ?
Did we have a net-war... like the one that happened over soc.culture.pakistan?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 DEC 92 17:23:57    


In article <1gtd7lINN62s@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes...
>Satya Prabhakar writes:
> 
> 
>>The very name of Kant and the daunting names of his books have
>>for long stopped me from even attempting to read these books.
>>But when I picked up the book recently it proved to be very
>>clear and well-reasoned. (I am still to complete it.) I recommend
>>this book very highly.
> 
>	I doubt if Worma would find Kant reasonable since by Kant's logic,
>	his "vedic theories" would fall flat.
> 
>	FFT

	As if Kant has exclusive right or hold on knowledge!!! No wonder
	the processes of nature are mechanical, otherwise, the knowledge
	would have stayed with Christianity, the religion of Kant.

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From: farook@cs.uwindsor.ca (FAROOK A WADIA           )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:59:05 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada


u idiot !! Why the hell you don't take your stinking ARSE out of the NET....
We indians like to discuss about India on the net......we don't want to hear
your stupid talks.........you fuckin shameful creature you sit tight in Canada
and speak aloud about Khalistan.........if you are such a chauvinist kick your
butt....go to Punjab and fight.........don't just fart from miles across....it
stinks...........and from where did you get this misleading info. that 50% of
tourist who come to India head towards Punjab........you are INSANE......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: Rao on way out? Elections?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:30:22 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|I doubt that these are Rao's own actions. Seems like he has lost
|the internal power game. Now the basic political dynamics relate
|to timing of elections in BJP states and the centre. I suspect that
|they will call elections in only one state at first (HP?) to test the
|waters in a media-controlled manner. If BJP shows strength we enter a
|murkier phase---a likely scenario (unless BJP boycotts, which I think
|they wont) since the basic power balance has shifted little.
|A possible, all-too-congress scenario is that
|patsy congress governments will be set up by arresting BJP candidates
|as RSS members, internal power struggle will be sorted out (ie, Rao
|goes), some "achievement" will be drummed up, say a phony 300% rise
|in foreign investment, elections will be called mid-term, Rao will
|graciously retire from his "onerous task" to make way for young
|leaders, accolades such as JN award, IG award, RG award and other
|misc. junk will be heaped on Rao for his service
|to the nation, ...
|
|If Rao has not lost his fire, he will stick out
|the full term at centre, conduct fair elections in BJP states and
|press with his economic package, if only to assuage Manmohan Singh's
|plaintive refrain.
|
|In any case, I think that the next parliament will again be hung.
|It remains to be seen what the BJP conjures up next to rally support.
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|Predictions, analyses anyone?
-------------------------------------

    How about the theme of 'unjust', 'barbaric', 'dictatorial', 'terrorizing', 
    'heinously undemocratic' dismissal of 3 democratically elected state govts. 
    by the 'unpatriotic', 'anti-Indian' and 'anti-Hindu'  congress govt.!! ;-) ;-)
    
    A much softer version of the above slogan worked pretty well against Mrs.
    Gandhi after the emergency.
    
    I feel pity for Mr. PVN Rao.  A nice guy is being bullied by Arjun Singh
    and his commie pals...

|-Akash

    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.


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From: sanjiv@cse.unl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:45:30 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1g5slcINN767@crcnis1.unl.edu> sanjiv@cse.unl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia) writes:
>>
>>>I wish you would stop dictating to the Sikh community, what is right for them
>>>and what is rational.
>>
>>I wish the militants carrying the AK-47s will stop using them to kill innocent
>>people.  Obviously when the terrorists start doing those things we can make an
>>attempt to stop it.  Mind you I'll join you in condemning the so-called
>>``encounters'' but I will certainly not like you to support someone carrying
>>the AK47s when the sole aim for carrying such weapons is to kill innocents.
>>--
>>Sanjiv K. Bhatia		Department of Mathematics & Computer Science

>	I wish you would stop making generalised statements that it's the 
>militants with AK-47's who are killing the innocents. There is enough 
>evidence (and in my previous postings I have listed some of it) to suggest 
>that the security forces are involved in some of these random killings.

I'll even give you that.  However, the AK-47's are not killing people by
themselves.  There are some ``militants'' who are pulling the triggers.
Organized crime by authorities in power does not legalize the terror unleashed
by militants/terrorists.

>	In the past four months the security forces have killed over 2,000
>Sikh militants(mostly in fake encounters) . How come none of these were 
>ever charged with killing innocents.

Because picking up guns and killing innocent people in bomb blasts makes the
militants aloof from the general public.  Do you think the turnout in Punjab
elections was low because of public's sympathy with militants?  Or was it the
terror from the militants who did not want to see people vote so that a
legitimate government could take control of power?

>	As for condeming the killing of the innocents, all the main Sikh
>political leaders as well as the leaders of the militants organisations,
>have on frequent occasions condemed such killings. But is anybody listening?.
>All we hear from the media and others is the repetition of the Government
>line.

But when the bigwigs in Akali party go and start tearing the constitution apart
literally they just pass a message ``We don't care about general public.  All
we want is our power and gaddi.''  There was one chance at peace with Longowal
but even he was not spared :-(  In any case, two wrongs do not make one right
(except in Math ;-) )

Sanjiv
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: plm@ausom.oz.au (Philip Manuel)
Subject: Kuwait.....
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 09:00:43 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Hello,
 
  Does anyone have any information about vacancies for lady doctors in
Kuwait. I have been offered a job there. My wife is a doctor and I would
like to know of the chances of her getting a job in one of the hospitals in
Kuwait. I need to make up my mind about accepting the job in about 1 weeks
time.
 
  Any information would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 

-- 
Philip L. Manuel
e.mail: plm%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au  (AutoReplyDoesNotWork)
Snail.mail: 26 Clarinda Road, Clarinda, Victoria 3169. AUSTRALIA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,purdue.forsale,soc.culture.tamil
From: ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ashwath Ram)
Subject: PURDUE: Apartment for sublease spring & summer 93.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:40:07 GMT

Hi netters, I am graduating in Dec. and the lease for my apartment
runs till Aug. 93. The apartment is a nice new two bed room with 
independent kitchen, batroom and hall. It is furnished with
Microwave, Ref., Oven, Gas, Dining table, chairs, two easy lounge
chairs etc. and is also completely carpeted with heat and other
standard options.
My room mate Krishnan Ramaswamy is doing his masters in Pharmacy and
will be around for a couple of years as he plans on doing his Phd.
He would like a person who doesn`t cook non-veg. at home, a 
non-smoker preferably Indian as a
roommate. He has his own 20" TV, stereo, cooking vessels etc.
He is a nice guy and would make an excellent roomate. Anyone 
coming to Purdue for the Spring semester who is interested please
call me up anytime at 317-743-6233, if I am not a home leave a 
message and I will get back to you.
You can also contact me by e-mail and I can arrange a visit so you
can come by and look up the place.

Thanks,
Ashwath Ram
ashwath@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Appropriate subject headers. (Was: Research)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:34:46 CST
Keywords: Business

...as a member of the "Society for promotion of appropriate
   titles" (SPAT), may I please request that nettors use
   appropriate titles for their postings. Will nettors seeking
   info please indicate "wanted info" somewhere in the
   header?

   Thanks much
   Prabs
-------------------------------------------------------------
   The worst mistake one can make is to assume that she/he cannot
   make mistakes...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Idol Worship in Hinduism
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian 
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:41:45 GMT

Idol worship in Hinduism is a consequence of Krishna-Bhaagavatism and
Buddha Bhaagavatism.  Though these strands emerged in the North,
their full realization came about in the South. The Alvars from
the 4th century AD promoted Bhagavatism on a massive scale. The
the smrutis have passages which deal with idol worship and the
notion of Bhakthi. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan in his translations
of the Brahma Suutras gives an account of these aspects and places
them in an appropriate context. Some time I hope to extract those
footnoted passages from his work and post it on sci, so that people
fully understand the basic thought and why idol worship is relegated
to the least form in the quest for the final release.

...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Question on Periyar's ancestory
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:45:04 GMT

In <1992Dec15.203130.10433@vela.acs.oakland.edu> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) writes:

>In article <4f=Jx0u00UhWA6TV4k@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>	Periyar was a thevidiya paiyyan. As simple as that. His mom
>>>	was a whore.
>> 
>>>J Anand.
>>
>>That would make you a 'savage' of the first order. Where did you learn

>	How many orders of 'savages' are there ?

>>to deface one of the few Tamilians who sacrificed themselves FOR Tamils?

>	U mean to say scarifice a few tamilians for popularity.

>>Maanamun, mariyaathai illaatha thiruttuth thuroki! Your kind awaits you
>>in hell....
>>
>>One day...one day....there will be a day for people like you.

>	That is the day when brahmin-haters will be licking my  a###.

>>
>>-thamilan
>>
>	mairu
>>


>J Anand.

  thambi! sila payavalaththaan thiruththa mudiyum.

Kathiravan
>-- 
>!!!!!!!!!%-----+++++=====/**##!!!!!!!!!!!!!/**##=====+++++-----%!!!!!!!!
>When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried.
>!!!!!!!!!%-----+++++=====/**##!!!!!!!!!!!!/**##=====+++++-----%!!!!!!!!!
From: rkrishna@HP-UX (Rama Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for some info ***Urgent***
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:04:31 GMT

Hello Friends

   Can anyone of you know the Address,Telephone No & Fax No of

	   Bio-Rad (Opthalmic Division),Santa Ana,California.

   I have a friend in Auckland badly looking for that.
   If anybody provides it before 18th,it will be of great help for
   his research.

   We have the old address of the company.(They might have relocated recently).
        Bio-Rad (Opthalmic Division)
        1971 East IV street
        Suite 285
        Santa Ana  CA-92705 - 3917.

   I will be happy if you also provide me the E-mail address of
    
     College of Optometry,Pacific university,Oregon.
     My friend has couple of his friends,Suresh & Deepa Rao,studying
     there.

   My e-mail address

        cimshop!mtview!RKRISHNAN@uunet.UU.NET
        Phone : (415) 691-6100 x491   (Work)
                (415) 691-9267        (Home)

     Thanks in advance.

     S.Ramakrishnan  (Ramki)
From: patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:28:47 GMT
Reply-To: patel@key.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced System Division

-In article 1rq@cs.psu.edu, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
-> In article <17576@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
-> >Mr. Narayana:
-> >
-> >Could you please post the original article about fake US degrees
-> >in TN and the precautions US employers should take before
-> >hiring any one from TN? Thanks.
-> >
-> >gopal
-> >
-> 
-> The article is about 2 printed pages. The article does not say
-> that US employers should take precautions. But there was
-> some clean up operation being planned by the UGC. How much
-> they will be successful, god alone knows. Till then one
-> has to exercise caution.
-> 
-> I will see if I can get the time to type out the full article.
-> IF YOU JUST TRAVEL TO YOUR LIBRARY, it is in the Dec 15th, 1992
-> issue of India Today.
-> ....kt

I am surprised that there is so much concern over false documents.
When I interview somebody for job, I look at the person's capability to understand
the work at hand and the depth of knowlege on various tasks accomplished
and/or courses taken. 

If the person shows capability to do the job, I care a fig for the stupid
paper. It would be hard to believe that a person can land a job just with a degree
(legitimate :) ) in hand.

Similarly a university should have open entrance exam, any body who passes should
be eligible for entrance.

Enjoy.


---
Chandresh Patel			Amdahl Advanced Systems, Fremont CA
patel@key.amdahl.com
From: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu (Venu Dasigi)
Subject: Re: Hindu kutey
Reply-To: vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Organization: Wright State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:22:57 GMT

From article <1992Dec11.015816.11344@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r):
...

>  But killing innocent women and children and throwing stones at them, I even
> shudder to think what would be going on in the minds of those kids
> as they were screaming and bleeding to death as some adults were
> throwing stones at them (they probably never
> even heard of the Babri Masjid, let alone damage it), how can they
> be connected, or equated?
> 
> To me the later is more barbaric though both should be condemned.

Stoning children and burning women in Pakistan is heartrending. As you
say, they are all pathetically innocent victims.

Apparently, a number of train passengers in India were stabbed to
death after their train was stopped by mobs. Today, I read that some
twenty-four people were soused in kerosene and burned, also in India.

At this point, it is not at all clear who is killing whom and why? The
bottomline is Indians are killing Indians and Pakistanis are killing
Pakistanis, and it's much more shameful than any lifeless structures'
destruction. Much more painful.

As far as I can see, the destruction of Babri mosque has triggered
hundreds of *human* lives (both Muslim and Hindu) being lost. True,
after the mosque a number of temples have been destroyed, which in
turn led to more killings. But it's hard to deny that the avalanche
was triggered in Ayodhya on December 6. Don't people have the sense to
put lives before man-made structures? Can the average human being
ever be trusted to be humane?

--- Venu Dasigi
Dr. Venu Dasigi      vdasigi@cs.wright.edu    vdasigi@valhalla.wright.edu
Dept. of CS&Eng, Wright State U, 3640 Col. Glenn Highway, Dayton, OH 45435
From: ashish@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Ashish Mehra)
Subject: Looking for Shally Dhawan around Boston.... 
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:29:55 GMT

I am trying to locate SHALLY DHAWAN from Bareilly (Uttar Pradesh) who 
is supposedly in the US somewhere around the Boston area. I have no
other information available. If anyone by any chance knows her 
whereabouts, please contact me at ashish@eecs.umich.edu as soon as
possible.

Thanks a ton,

Ashish Mehra
ashish@eecs.umich.edu
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Mutliple citizenship ...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:47:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boris.wpd.sgi.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Binod Taterway (bt00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu) wrote:

> Do you know whether or not Indian Government allows dual citizenship?
> I know that Israel and France, to name few, do permit dual citizenship.
> Perhaps you could mail the responses to me, or if think it may be of
> general interest to other readers, post them to the netlist. Thank you.

No, not yet. There was talk about doing it, but it has since been
shelved. I've heard of no recent activity in this regard.

Even if they did create a procedure for dual citizenship, the
procedure would still be tortuous.

For one thing, the United States, at least, insists that you give up
any other citizenship you have when you take on US citizenship. After
that, they don't care if you apply for any other citizenship provided:

 (a) you don't give up US citizenship as a result (for instance, anyone
     becoming an Indian citizen has to similarly sign a statement
     renouncing any other citizenship - it is *this* clause that was
     under discussion).

 (b) subsequently serve under any foreign army or perform any other
     action that can be construed as owing allegiance to a foreign
     government. There is a long (probably informal) list of such
     activities that can cause you to forfeit US citizenship if done
     in conjunction with accepting another citizenship.

 (c) I think there's some state department say in this too: you may
     have to clear this with the US state dept or US consulate in the
     country you are trying to become a dual citizen of.

There are some other restrictions, too.

So in short, you will have to (a) accept US citizenship, consequently
renouncing Indian Citizenship, and then (b) re-apply for Indian
Citizenship, and make sure you consult with the US consulate and
immigration lawyers that you are not giving up your rights as a US
citizen.  All in all, very tricky.
--
Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@sol.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.042657.10708@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>>In article <1grai0INNdjd@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay
>>Fafat) writes:
>> 
>>> 	I ask for more tangible proofs.
>> 
>	         The proofs of science are based on 'virtual reality', i.e., 
>	the reality which exist within the context of seeker's sense
>	instruments.

Finally, well said V. You can round off your argument with the following 
quote from Kena Upanishad:

	That which sees not with the eye, that by which
	one sees the eye's seeings, know That to be Brahman
	and not this which men follow after here. (1.6)

I am still waiting for "proof" that there's light when the sun's up.
Since I am rather certain that there can be no such proof, I am justified
in assuming that hardened amateur philosophers are blind to the
light of the inner sun.

-Akash
From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:40:46 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Dec12.161207.25518@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, ghouse@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
|> t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal Kulkarni) writes:
|> 
|> >India has never been and will never be an unsafe place for other religons.
|> 
|> I wish I had your confidence.  If people with the views of the VHP/Shiv Sena
|> etc ever gain poewer, then I doubt that this will continue to be true.
|> 
|> peace
|> 
|> -Mujtaba Ghouse
|> 

Agreed. The destruction of the mosque was bad - but what is worse is that a
political group is trying to win the support of the majority community by 
inciting anger and aggression against a minority community and, if the 
destruction of they mosque is any indication, they seem to be having some
measure of success. 

The BJP/VHP combine claims to be representing the Hindu community but they
seems to be paying scant attention to some of the burning problems facing 
Hindus including problems of caste, bride burning and other ills within the
community.

Advani, Vajpaye and their ilk just form an acceptable front for this combine.
Behind this front, there is an incredible amount of venom being spewed
against the Muslims in India - if one attends their rallies or hears some
of the taped speeches of their lesser leaders, it is impossible to come 
to any other conclusion than that they are spreading a message of hate 
capture the Hindu vote.

V.P. Singh, a little over a week ago, compared this entire episode to 
Kristellnacht in Nazi Germany. I am no admirer of V.P. Singh and I certainly
don't put the BJP/VHP on a par with the Nazis, but the comparisons are not
all that far fetched.

Raghu 
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