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From: dfmaki@descartes.waterloo.edu (Dean Maki)
Subject: MARVEL: Claremont:Wolverine's Death
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:48:04 GMT



I was wondering if it was true that Claremont had planned to kill Wolverine off
sometime this year.

I heard a rumor recently that Claremont plotted for the next 5 years of X-Men 
and planned within a year to have a villian go against Wolverine who would rip
out Wolvie's heart and show it to him.  Wolvie would DIE before his healing
factor could fully regenerate his heart.  I MEAN DEAD!  NO MORE WOLVERINE!

Apparently, in true Marvel fashion, however, the BODY of Wolvie would keep
regenerating.  Within a year of dying, the X-Men would get word of a MINDLESS
savage beast with razor sharp claws and an unbreakable skeleton wandering around
and killing people.  There was no mention if Wolvie would get his mind back
though.

Also wondering....Is this one of the reasions Marvel gave Chris the boot?  Or is
Lee's wanting to do the plotting the only reason?  Marvel really shot themselves
in the foot by letting Lee take over and dumping Chris, now that Lee is leaving.
(giggle giggle).  Serves them right for trashing someone who work so long and 
diligently for them.  (all IMHO)

 /\/\  /\ |/  :"You can put it in the hands or your attorney
/    \/--\|\  : but it will never stand up in court"


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From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Subject: Re: adamantium
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:01:41 GMT

>>Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
>>of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
>>Fire that continuity man.  ;-)
> 
> Apart from the ball-and-socket joints at the shoulder, there aren't many joints 
> that couldn't be separated by cutting through ligaments, etc. Of course, Wolvie 
> would have to be very dead for this to work, but there are many many ways to 
> kill him. 
> 
>>RIC
> 
> Andrew.

What are you talking about? "The severed claw..." means the claw was snapped
		  		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
off. (Actually, I read the book and she is definitely holding six inches of so
of Wolvy knife (tm.)

Scott.
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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Liefeld in LA Times
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 06:15:44 GMT


Man.  Y'know, it's no wonder ol Liefeld's artwork isn't improving. He must
really think he's hot shit, so why bother to improve himself?

Actually, who are we fooling?  He IS hot shit!  But he's so mainly for the
same reason that the Young Cocky-Actor Kid of the Year is hot, for what
he's done, not for how well he's done it.

I mean, think about it.  Would Liefeld be as big a deal if he hadn't hooked
onto the Mutant Bandwagon?  I doubt it.  His artwork's just not that good.
The only redeeming quality (and this is why I was, to my everlasting shame,
originally a fan of the guy) is that, if you squint real hard and unfocus
your eyes, you can pretend that it was drawn by Todd MacFarlane.  (That
was before he started his muscle kick, though.)

But Liefeld has gotten to the point where he is famous for being famous.
Who needs quality when you have PR?  He did a 501 commercial, so he must be
a great artist.

Folks, I hereby predict that, once the novelty wears off, YOUNGBLOOD will
won't make it to its 20th issue.  It's not a mutie book, it's not important
to the X-Men storyline, so there's no incentive to buy other than quality,
and if the net is any indication, the quality isn't there.

The only way I can see that I will be proven wrong is if Liefeld decides to
improve on his style of drawing.  If he doesn't, the bubble will eventually
burst as the public grows bored with him, and he could find himself forgotten.

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:23:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.035226.678@cis.umassd.edu> stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (M
chael Stoodt) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.152653.21918@midway.uchicago.edu> wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (
tan "T2" Wen) writes:
>
>>I picked up a serialized TPB by Alan Moore and Alan Davis the other day
called
>>DR and Quinch, a collection of humorous episodes from 2000 AD (?) about
two
>>violent, ruthless teenage aliens.  Very funny.
>
>That's "D.R. & Quinch's Totally Awesome Guide to Life" from Titan
>Books.  Titan also has two volumes of Moore's short stories from
>2000AD, which are titled Alan Moore's Shocking Futures and AM's
>Twisted Times; many (but not all) of these are time-travel stories.
>
>And who could forget his Ballad of Halo Jones, with Ian Gibson art, in
>three volumes from Titan?
>
>       Michael Stoodt


Also available in ONE volume as The Complete Ballad of Halo Jones,
published by Titan.

I can recommend this book as being one of the best things I've ever read
in the comics world. It moved me like very few comics ever have. When I
found out the other day that it was written by Moore, something just
clicked - the quality is way up there with the rest of Moore's stuff.

I *think* that Skizz, originally a 2000AD strip collected as a TPB by
Titan is also by Moore, though I could be wrong. It's good, too, if not
quite in the Halo Jones league.

Mike
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Rogue's powers
Date: 14 Apr 1992 03:17:19 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <45261@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> pollerts@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (T'vajnxek the Orc) writes:
>I seemed to have missed this, but could someone tell me
>how long Rogue's absorbtion of someones mind and powers
>last!? 

	It's proportionate to the length of time she touches the
subject.
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics:13009 alt.manga:1316
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.manga
Subject: Re: The rec.arts.{comics.}manga wars continue
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:16:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
> >There is nothing in the charter of rec.arts.comics restricting the group
> >to the American continent.  That's just the most numerous posting group,
> >and the most popular subject.  British titles do show up occasionally.
> >Rec.arts.manga, on the other hand, would be restricted to Asian, mostly
> >Japanese, comics.  Since we all seem to agree that the only difference
> >between comics and manga, IF ANY, is the continent it originates on

>I couldn't disagree more.  This indicates a very shallow understanding
>of the differences.   If all the manga you've read are westernised
>translations, you could be forgiven for having this view;   I mean,
>the translators choose manga which will appeal to comic readers (and
>which will sell).

    What can we say? Marketing rules the world. If it will sell then
sell it. 

>I can write megabytes of essays, I can post synopses, I can digitise
>every page of Manga Frontier and post it, but people will still say
>"but they're just comics"!  I really can't do anything about
>peoples' inability to discern.

    Fine, but do the pages have words with corresponding depictions of
charcters and scenery used to tell a story?

> >The only reason I can see that some would be strongly against putting the
> >group under comics is ego:  perhaps some manga fans find the concept of
> >being grouped together with mere "comics" insulting.

>No, not at all.  I hope I speak for those in this discussion who have plenty
>of exposure to both, love both, and recognise that both are ultimately
>worlds apart, and deserve corresponding positions in the Usenet namespace.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Here is the fundamental problem that I have with every argument that
you have put forth Iain. You refuse to accept the fact that those
"positions" don't actually mean anything. They aren't a form of ranking,
they are used as a form of record keeping for site admins. Site admins
like things that will make their lives easier, and rec.arts.comics.manga
is easier to deal with than rec.arts.manga.

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From: bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Stop blaming Marvel!
Keywords: stop blaming Marvel
Date: 5 Apr 92 05:25:34 GMT
Organization: The Matrix

I don't get it.  All of you guys are comic collecters right?  So, why do 
you keep saying how bad Marvel is getting?  If it's so bad, STOP 
COLLECTING!  And, if you want to say why a comic sucks, tell us exactly 
why.  Is the idea behind the character stupid.  His/her personality?  The 
writting?  The art?  Come on guys, be professional about it.  Give Marvel 
something they can work with if you want it fixed.

Until Ghost Rider is caught "dead" on a tricycle...
     MAKE MINE MARVEL!!!!


Good evening, this has been

  \    /
/\/\  /\/\
    \/ AMPIRE                "You're eating maggots, Michael.
                                How do they taste?"
                                    David in _The Lost Boys_
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From: kesidis@light.berkeley.edu (George Kesidis)
Subject: Re: Taking bids for Iron Man #55 (first appearance of Thanos)
Reply-To: kesidis@light.berkeley.edu
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:40:59 GMT

My apologies for posting my follow-up on rac. I'd didn't realize
that the original post was cross-posted here.
gk
From: norrod@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Forrest Norrod)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:23:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Cerebus 157 (Was: Re: CEREBUS: Dave Sim in Boulder)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics

In rec.arts.comics, kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Kreme, Just Kreme) writes:

> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (This is not really my name) writes:
> 
> >I got a chance to talk to Dave for a minute or two as he drew a very nice
> >scetch of Theresa on my "First Half" poster.  I asked him directly if
> >the third Aardvark would be revealed in issue #158 as I had been told by
> >people on "the net."
> 
> I talked to Dave again on Sunday, and saw a preview of issue #157.  I didn't
> read it, but looked through it quickly.
> 
> SPOILERS
> 
> Really Really Really
> 
> 
> The last panel of #157 shows a huge disembodied hand reaching down from
> the "sky" it's S. Po.
> 
> Are you sure?
> 
> 
> The hand is much like Cerebus' and nbot at all like a human hand.  Looks
> like S. Po is, in fact, the third aardvark.  (The hand even has short curved
> "clawed" nails...)
> 
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Further Spoilers Ahoy......











I spoke with Dave myself on Sunday afternoon and asked him point-blank if 
Mr. Po was the third Aardvark.  He said something along the lines of "Oh heck,
I might as well tell you.  Yes, Suenitus Po IS the third Aardvark."

Incidentally, I must say that Dave and Gerhard both seemed like very pleasant
and personable fellows-not at all like the raving egomaniac assholes that 
some would have you believe.  Dave did two sketches for me (a Cerebus the 
Barbarian and a Most Holy) and Gerhard put a rather elaborate background 
behind the 'Most Holy'.  I'm sure I wouldn't have stood up to the hours of
signing nearly as well.


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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: FAQ/SQUID request
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:37:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.021544.18936@Princeton.EDU> ssircar@canon.com
(Subrata Sircar) writes:
>As it stands, I don't think DC could create a character called
>Suicide Squid whose past history and appearance matched Squiddy's,
>but they probably could create a character whose name was Suicide
>Squid (without other obvious similarities).  On the other hand, maybe
>we could sue them over "look and feel" :<)

I don't know.  I can't really see myself in a courtroom discussing
with a straight face the look and feel of a squid.

Maybe I'm just not cut out for the bar.

-David
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 92 06:36:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Apr8.052950.6994@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
  <1992Apr8.194621.14843@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  <9dxJ02IE0fDY01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

If anyone's remotely interested in my own view of humor in my work...

Generally, when I use humor, it's with the intent of contrasting to a serious
situation--either a moment of levity in the middle of a difficult situation,
or else something funny that relaxes the reader so that, when something
bad goes down, the reader is then caught off guard.  I'm a believer in
what Alfred Hitchcock once said in an interview--the best kind of laughter is
the kind that sticks in your throat.  So I suppose that how effective the
humor is in the story depends entirely on how effective the seriousness of
the situation is to act as counterpoint.

PAD
From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: metallurgy (was re: adamantium)
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:17:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.133917.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes...
>In article <11226@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, 
>albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
> 
>(regarding Adamantium)
> 
>>>Modulus of elasticity?
>> 	Totally inflexible.

i was wondering would Box (of alpha flight)[maddison jefferies'] power have any 
effect of adamantium. could he bend it, convert it to something, mold it? 
     					d.j.loki seth I
			alphe flight fan-type personage
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:48:07 GMT

cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:

>Ahhhhhh! my friends but who has Scott dated besides Jean Grey and her clone.
>I myself think I have found the woman I will marry but I have dated a few
>people before her.  Do you really think Cyclops could get by on masturbation 
>and fantasies alone.  I agree that Cyclops should marry Jean Grey but I think
>it would be excellent if they both saw the world a little and came back toeach
>other.   Just my opinion.

	Ahh, but they did do this thing that you suggest....Long ago, after the
new X-Men had formed, Jean left, went off to see the world, and came back.
Then, when Jean and Beast beleived that the rest of the X-Men were dead, she
left again, and had a fling with some dude in Greece.  (And don't try and tell
me that this was some lame-*ss Pheonix template, either...)
	Scott has also had his share of flings.  Has everyone forgotten Colleen
Wing and Alletys Foster???  (Scott seems to have, the way folks have written
him...)  But every time Scott and Jean have been together, they still loved
each other.  Give the guys a break and let 'em tie the knot....

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From: mlk@ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew L Kimery)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:53:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.170218.2885@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, nc313127@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|> > 
|> > 
|> >  >I wish they would bring Kitty and Kurt back into the fold.
|> > 
|> > YES! Can you picture Gambit, Logan, and Kurt hitting the bars? 
|> 
|> X-Men(Party team)?

	I like it, I like it lots!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I would just hate to be the poor 
bartender when the fight broke out.

	------- Nightcrawler
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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: SQUID: 2nd t-shirt run info
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:12:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.052537.718@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas
Galloway) writes:
>The central figure is a morose looking gray squid wearing a headband
>with SS in red,

No, it's a cravat.  Or maybe a belt...

    Suicide Squiddy sat on a wall.
    Suicide Squid, he had a great fall.
    All the seahorses and all the mermen
    Ate calimari, from sucker to pen.

-David
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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Yes, Its Another Late Terman Reviews (Cerebus, Steed & Mrs. Peel)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:13:54 GMT
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
> In <1992Mar31.042751.23722@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes:
> >Cerebus #156
> 
> One thing which no one has mentioned, from the letter's page -- I think Sim
> implied that this particular storyline was going to go on until sometime in
> November, 1994 or 1995, I forget which.  Did I read that right?

	Well, given that the inside front cover says that Mothers and
Daughters will run through issue 200 which is the November 1995 issue, I'd
say you got it right.

-Jeff
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real good time." - _Synners_ by Pat Cadigan
From: am332@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David E. Leibow)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS:  Thoughts on the third aardvark
Reply-To: am332@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David E. Leibow)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 15:44:53 GMT


In a previous article, rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:

>In article <1992Mar31.100047.26481@salado.rc.arizona.edu>,
>pathall@astro.as.arizon> writes :
>                                                                       
>                                                                               aardvarks is; we know they can have sex, but can they have offspring together?
>> In other words, are aardvarks a distinct race, or an occasional mutation among 
>> humans, and where would aardvark-human crossbreeds fit in?  In "Odd
>> Transformations" near the end of Church & State Vol. I, during part of a dream
>> Cerebus is having, a human woman says something to the effect of "Cerebus, how
>> many times do your father and I have to tell you, wear your hat, no one wants
>> to look at those ears!"  This strongly suggests to me that aardvarks are the
>> occasional mutation (but what a mutation!) among humans. 
>
>Hmm! At THAT point, I was JUST as convinced that Cerebus was "obviously"
>ADOPTED!! Of course --- well, we've read Sim's Usenet response to whether Oscar
>is the "same character" in Jaka's and Melmoth.......
>

Cerebus was adopted.  Dave said so in an old letters page, I forget exactly
where that was.  He said that Cerebus' childhood was similar to that old
Bugs Bunny cartoon where the stork mistakenly delivers Bugs to a couple of
expectant gorillas and the father gorilla is immediately suspicious and
nasty while the mother gorilla is violently protective.  Its interesting
that Dave used to let tidbits like this appear on the letters page in
spite of his otherwise being very tight lipped about this sort of thing.
At this point its very difficult to go back through all those old issues
trying to find pearls of important stuff which he let slip at one time or
another.  Maybe now that he is apparently answering letters again he can
be coaxed into further revelations, he used to love numbered questions.
But, I sincerely doubt it...

-dave

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