HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Keywords: HongKong has little exciting software engineering stuff...
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:17:54 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <1992Jul25.002241.41114@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us> cho@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us (Cho-Ming Tai) writes:
>
>	I went to Hong Kong last Christmas and found the computers/machines
>	sold at Golden Plaza (in Kowloon) disappointing.
>	They were all PC stuff.  It's hard even to find any high-end Macs,
>	not mentioning Sun, Next, DEC stuff.

You don't go to Disneyland to read Hamlet.  Try Gilman, Sun Microsystems,
and DEC.

>	I've been told by my old high schoolmates that engineers are not
>	respected or equally rewarded as Accountants in Hong Kong...
>	Some of my high school friends who became Chartered Accountant
>	could make about HK$20k-35k/month (4 years of experience)
>	with strong potential of going even higher.  The other high
>	schoolmates who worked as PC hardware engineers can only make
>	HK$10k-20k/month (with 5 years of experience).

PC engineerings, unfortunately, are not considered engineers in Hong Kong.

>	Most programming jobs in Hong Kong are for Application Programmers
>	who code around RDBMS packages (mostly Oracle on PC or Mainframe;
>	Sybase was not there yet) ...

Try Microcom System.

The addresses for the above can be found in the Yellow Pages.

>	A brother of my old classmate got a MSCS (specializing
>	in AI) from U.K. can only find a mainframe banking programming job
>	in Hong Kong.

He would be lucky to find a similar job in Europe, Australia or North
America.

>	I think Hong Kong is slow and reluctant to catch up with others in
>	Hi-Tech areas.  The government does not put enough money in
>	encouraging industrial R&D, post-graduate research, etc.

I agree with you entirely.


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From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:41:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Hong Kong New Airport Info required
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>john@jho.com (John Ho) /  2:42 am  Jul 30, 1992 /
>ctsang@bmdhh315.bnr.ca (Chi Tsang) writes:

>>Hello,

>>I want some information regarding the impact of HK New Airport
>>on HK properties market. Is there any HK government office in UK
>>from which I can obtain those information ?

>Check with the Hong Kong Trade Development Counil in London.
>Their number is  828-1661 or 828-9976.
>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
>----------

I think HKTDC has an office in Washington (or New York, anyway, they has an 
office in US). In case you can't find the code. It is +44 71.
so the whole number will be (international code) 44 71 828 1661.

Have a nice day

Yuk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: j_pan@ranger.enet.dec.com (Joanna Pan)
Subject: Re: New Discovery of Element
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:11:31 GMT


In article <1992Jul17.180307.26152@csus.edu>, vcsc2132@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Henry Yeung) writes...
> 
>Why sexism? I bet most womem will agree at least half of the _facts_ in
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
>the posting. They are generally accepted and most people will not
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>consider them 'sexism', IMO.
> 
>-Henry
>-- 
>? .--.  Still exploring....
>?(OS/2)                 -Henry Yeung (KB0HWV)
>? `--'                   (vcsc2132@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu)
>?                        (71431.2252@compuserve.com)

Please don't bet. I am a woman and I don't agree. I sent the post to many of my
female friends and co-workers, and none of them agrees nor do they accept these
viewpoints as facts. I am curious to know what solid background you have to 
claim these as facts. 

I think this is sexism because of stereotype and objectification. Yes, we 
should loosen up and laugh at some jokes to make our life happier. However, 
when you are the target of the joke, the original intent of humour is usually 
lost. The target in this case is women, therefore I, as a woman, do not feel
comfortable. I noticed that most netters responded to this thread are male, not
the target. I don't know how many female netters feel amused. If there are some,
this only proves diversity.


	Joanna 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: kingw@fraser.sfu.ca (King Rio Wong)
Subject: Re: History of family name
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:03:34 GMT

lamb@jasper.cs.orst.edu (Ben Lam) writes:


>I received something interesting in mail today.  A publishing company offers
>to sell me a book called, "The World book of Lams," which is not yet
>published.

[...]

>The introduction letter mentioned some interesting facts.  The first Lam
>in U.S. is a woman named Rachael who went to Virginia in 1635.
>I wonder why she has a American first name?  The Immigration picked it for 
>her?

>There are only 9,304 households bearing the Lam name in the U.S., Canada,
>Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland,
>Ireland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

>Well, I don't think I would be interested in such a book anyway.  
>But one thing really cracks me up is a card that comes with the letter.
>In the back it said, "Your whole family will enjoy this unique book! ......."
>The front is a photo of a WHITE CAUCASIAN family reading a book together.
>Yeah, right, I said to myself, what a good way to sell a book to an
>Asian.  

Seems that I am not the only one who receive such an offer.  Are they
publishing books for other family names other than the "Lams"? (I thought they
were sending letters to everybody using a computer to change the title "The
World Book of ?????" to the person's lastname... ;-)  I don't see anything 
interesting with the book anyways.  Just a bunch of names and addresses, a
few pieces of article, and a picture of your family's "coat of arm".  When
have the Chinese families started to have their coat of arms, anyways???

     Timothy Lam
     (using someone else's account for now)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: pang@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Chi-Wai Pang (Unix Lab Proctor))
Subject: Chinese Churches in Singapore and in Germany
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 04:13:53 GMT

Anyone out there know the address(es) of those Chinese Christian Churches in
Singapore and Munich, West Germany? My friend is going to those area and want
to join those churches.
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Learning about World War II in Japan
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:00:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.

>kokwok@ee.umanitoba.ca (julian) /  3:36 pm  Jul 29, 1992 /
>In article <1992Jul29.035245.3503@news.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>> 
>> I remember the difference was more than 10, the average was between
>> 100 and 110. Anyway, this was not that important.

>I think the difference is only one. I will never forget what this two

>assholes' cruelty.
>----------

The difference is one (10? - 10?+1). The race stopped because one of them
had his sword broken. I always think that killing in closer range is more
cool blood. i.e. One must be more cool (blood) using a sword like those
two than the others with gun.

Yuk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: More Cathay Stocks Sold to Chinese
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:27:36 GMT

Aviation Week & Space Technology - July 27, 1992

INCREASED SHARE
China-backed companies have purchased an additional 10% stake in
Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific.  The purchase brings direct
Chinese mainland holdings in Cathay to at least 22.5%.  The increased
shareholding will help Cathay compete for lucrative international
traffic rights with government-controlled Chinese airlines after
Hong Kong reverts to Chinese rule in 1997.  The deal also should
fuel Chinese interest in completing Hong Kong's new Chek Lap Kok
airport.

======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.enet.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
======================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Organization: R-Node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) - 24 hrs
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:12:46 GMT

In article <Brr6s7.L0x@watcgl.waterloo.edu> lhclin@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Louis Lin) writes:
>In article <stevew.711735009@helios> stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) writes:
>>
>>  You are over honoring Ail Hon. His knowledge about science is not
>>more then a F3 student. But on the other hand, I guess not everyone
>>knows what a black hole is--like do we know the surface radiation of a
>>black hole? what is the singular point? what is the augular momentant
>>and things like these.  (Don't ask me, I don't even know what I am
>>talking about, since I don't know about black hole)
>>
>
>Since science fiction are not science anyway, it will be asking to much
>for a science fiction writing to know what a black hole is. 

I disagree. I have been a big science fiction fan for many years and almost
all the s.f. that I've read were air-tight on the science part. In fact, 
most s.f. writers have a degree in some displine of science. If you have
read Arthur C. Clarks' 2001 series I am sure you will agree with me. 
When he talks about "kinergarden physics", he was talking about sub-atomic
particles. :^) 

> I guess
>science fiction writers only needs to have a blurr idea of a theory in
>science, and make (reasonable) speculation on it in order to write a novel.
>In case of Ail Hon, I think his problem is more with repetitive story line
>than unreasonable speculation.
>

As for the black hole, I was referring to one of his novel "Holy Book".
The poor man actually subscribed to the popular misbelief of black hole as
one huge sucker in space :^). Anybody with some fundamental understanding
in astronomy knows that black hole has no more attraction force other than
good old gravity. Had our sun turn into a black hole tommorrow, our planet
wouldn't feel a difference (other than we would be all dead ....) My point 
is: a good sf writer should not make mistake like that. If the concept is
beyond common reader's grasp, then it is the writer's responsibility to 
explain it in laymens term.


>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: lhclin@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Are there any Hong Kong SF movies?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.021908.23967@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong) writes:
>
>But I think at least the contents of a SF should not contradict with what 
>common sense tells us.  And I think some of Ail Hon's stories do that.
>

Just a side comment, sometimes even real science is anti-common sense (read :
quantum mechanics), but I guess you are right that SF should not be off track
too much, and I agree with you that Ail Hon's stories sometimes do that.  That
brings me a story I heard about Ail Hon.  One reader wrote to him complaining
a story about Wisely surviving in Antarctica by eating polar bear meat because
there is no polar bear in Antarctica.  Ail Hon replies :

    "There is no polar bear in Antarctica, nor
     There is Wisely in the world"

>
>Any good SF solely about Black Hole?
>
>Have fun!!!
>
>									Poon.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: Ooh La La II
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:39:02 GMT

cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:

>Some one also mentioned that I should not post executable
>file on the net because people work on different hardware
>platform.  Well, I am going to try this for the last time
>since I screw up the first time.  I guess it kind of makes
>sense not to send 700+ lines of not so important stuff
>all over the country.

You should know that this group is not for binaries posting.
I was warned at the very first time when I wanted to post
HK popstar pictures last year. Now it's even more unworthy
for you to post a compiled file which can only be executed on
a particular machine of a particular hardware setup. You should
at least specify which machine the program can be executed. As
running it on some other machines may give unexpected output
which may be serious.

** It only makes sense to anyone if the source code of the program
   is posted. **

I don't know if this group accepts source code posting. But
even if it accepts, I think it only makes sense if the program
is somewhat related to this newsgroup. And the most importantly,
the posting cannot be too large (< 500 lines I guessed) or the
system admins of some domains will refuse to carry this group.
Some netters will become victims as a result.

Regards,
Alan of HKPGCS.
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From: ckkwan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chunming Kenneth Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK science fiction
Keywords: HK SF
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:13:01 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Jul26.145844.18978@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon) writes:
>|> 
>|> I have a question about the 3 laws of robotics.  I think that, according to
>|> Asimov, it is necessary to have these 3 laws in order to make a stable 
>|> positronic brain.  But from what I read in the quarterly, it is said that
>|> it is human who make up these laws to govern robots, just like our real laws.
>|> Am I wrong?
>
>I don't know exactly what the quarterly said, but the three laws are
>not to make a positronic brain stable, but to be programmed into the
>"positronic" brain so as to make it have kinda moral code. Here are 
>the three laws:
>       <stuff deleted>

     Didn't Asimov modify the 3 laws in his latest book on the Foundation
series?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: macross@wam.umd.edu (Steve Ji-Chang Hong)
Subject: Help! Information wanted 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:54:00 GMT

Hi!
	My friend would like to know more about the MBA program in the 
University Wisconsin/ Madison and the Texas A&M University
Please e-mail to me or the following address
	91308375@cphkvx.bitnet
Thanks.
-Steve
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:38:10 GMT

In article <HIEBELER.92Jul26213329@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.135458.9673@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>
>>    P.S. After the new Census in 1990, the Asian American has became a
>> 	   very hot market to marketers.  AT&T, MCI and United
>> 	   Airlines, etc. are spending big bucks to advertize in the
>> 	   Asian market.
>
>  Why is it suddenly a hot market?  Didn't anyone know how many AA's
>there were before the 1990 census?
>
>  The other day I did notice an AT&T commercial showing a couple of AA
>women talking (no AA men, of course) mixed in with the various clips.

  I've noticed a disproportionate number of Asian babies and girls
  in mail-order catalogs.  What I mean is that in some catalogs,
  Asian (or Asian/White) girls are almost 50% of the children portrayed.
  There is no Hispanic kid, and maybe one Black kid in the whole
  catalog.  I just got a flyer from a national kids clothing store
  and on the cover was an Asian/White girl.  Also my latest BioBottom
  catalog has many Asian/White girls all over the catalog, one black
  kid (I think it's a boy), no Hispanics (maybe one that might be
  Hispanic/White), and no Asian boys.  In baby magazines, there
  were three Asian or Asian/White girls on the cover within the past
  year, and just recently there was an Asian boy on the cover of Parenting.
  But I've noticed no Hispanic babies in any of the magazines or covers,
  and some Blacks, but not proportional to their numbers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tatcho@next15pg2.wam.umd.edu (Tat Chi Ho)
Subject: Last name
Keywords: last name
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:29:37 GMT


We have read more than 10 articles talking about 
the last name 1)Lam or  2)Lam=Lin=Lum.

It sounds like people with the same last name are going
to post news here to identify themselves!

Such as,
1) Cheung=chen
2) Lo=Law ? 
3) Wong=Wang
...

Please don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting this.

 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9237 soc.culture.asian.american:7140
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: History of family name
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:39:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul26.093937.24379
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <BrzMIy.Gq5@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <kingw.712116214@sfu.ca> kingw@fraser.sfu.ca (King Rio Wong) writes:
>>Seems that I am not the only one who receive such an offer.  Are they
>>publishing books for other family names other than the "Lams"? (I thought they
>>were sending letters to everybody using a computer to change the title "The
>>World Book of ?????" to the person's lastname... ;-)  I don't see anything 
>>interesting with the book anyways.  Just a bunch of names and addresses, a
>>few pieces of article, and a picture of your family's "coat of arm".  When
>>have the Chinese families started to have their coat of arms, anyways???
>>
>Hmm, seems like there are non-asians ie)europeans with the last name of "lam".
>Interesting....I guess people cant say "lam" isnt as "american" as Smith or whatever.

Not sure about that.  Most of the time after I say my last name, people
would write it down as "lamb."  I checked the Yellow Pages and found
out quite a number of Americans with this last name.

What about "Lee"?  It seems also to be a common American last name.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: While we are still waiting ...
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:23:21 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

... for the sexy postings to come up, I found this "Dumb
MEN Jokes" (yes! in my company's newsgroup). Hope this will
help ladies in this group feel a little bit better. (And
if you are MAN, it's alright to feel angry although you are
warned that it may cause harm to your health.)

Dumb MEN Jokes...

Q: Why are all dumb blond jokes one liners?
A: So men can understand them.

Q: What is the difference between Government Bonds and men?
A: Government Bonds mature.

Q: What's a man's idea of helping with the housework?
A: Lifting his legs so you can vacuum.

Q: What's the difference between a man and E.T.?
A: E.T. phoned home.

Q: Why is psychoanalysis a lot quicker for men than for women?
A: When it's time to go back to his childhood, he's already there.

Q: What did God say after He created man?
A: "I can do better than this."

Q: How do men define a '50-50' relationship?
A: We cook/they eat; we clean/they dirty; we iron/they wrinkle.

Q: What's the best way to force a man to do sit-ups?
A: Put the remote control between his toes.

Q: How do men exercise at the beach?
A: By sucking in their stomachs every time they see a bikini.

Q: What does a man consider to be a seven-course meal?
A: A hot dog and a six-pack.

Q: How are men like noodles?
A: They are always in hot water, they lack taste and they need dough.

Q: Why is it good that there are female astronauts?
A: When the crew gets lost in space at least the women will ask for directions.


Steven
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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Mr. Patten
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:49:48 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

sonford@milton.u.washington.edu (Sonford Yuen) writes:

>>|> Dear Chris Patten,
>>|> 
>>|> This is to congratulate you on becoming Hong Kong's last Governor.
>>|> May your stay there be fruitful, eventful and restful.
>>|> I am sure you can please everyone.
>>|> Best Wishes.

The importance of a leader is not to please everyone.  The 
importance of a leader is to do what he/she thinks is right 
for the given situation.  This characteristics sometimes 
create monsters like Hitler and it also prepared great leaders
like John F Kennedy.  Leadership is a complex issue and maybe 
some netters who have a better understanding on the subject 
can give us some insight.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
From: u2122541@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: BBS in Macao
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:42:58 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

I am a user came from Macao.
Some of my friends in Macao uses modem and some of them study in the 
University of Macao (used to be called University of East Asia).
I want to connect them with computer here.  However, I don't know if there is
any BBS, and the computer system of University of Macao, on the internet.
Can anyone tell me about that?  Thanks a lot!! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: umyu0030@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Danny Y. W. Yu)
Subject: Grad School in HK
Summary: grad
Keywords: grad
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:03:57 GMT


I am a potential graduate and would like to know the e-mail address of
the Computer Science Dept. of various education institute in Hong Kong.

Can anybody show me a hint ?

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