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From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:54:26 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <93022.215022IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Hello to all of you! - I would like some suggestions for the
>naming of my 23 foot Grady-White Gulfstream... I'm really having
>a tough time coming up with anything completley new and nautical!
>So anything goes!!!!!!
>
>Thanks a lot! (The winner gets $65!)
>
>Mark

Naming a boat is difficult. It's bad luck to change the name of a
boat, too. Here's some names I've liked:

My grandfather had a Malabar schooner he called 'Doris', which
had everyone, his wife included, wondering just who the hell
Doris might be. His next boat, a 30 sloop, was 'Zaidee'; wrong
number of letters, but a double (ee) which is good luck.

Dad had a lot of boats. A converted CG rescue boat he called 'Hero';
a nice wooden lobster boat, 'Robert K'; Another wooden PB called
'Compass Rose' - I like that name; a Grand Banks 32, 'Defiant' in
the Royal Navy tradition, I guess; and a small powerboat similar to
yours which he named 'Dovekie' which is a shore bird of some type.

I've had two sailboats; 'Althea' from a song of the same name
and my current boat, Alberg 30 'Thaedra', named by the previous
owner. Thaedra, I believe, is the greek goddess of costly
engine repairs. My next boat may be named 'Dagny Taggert' with
'Jim' painted on the dinghy.

My uncle's Concordia yawl was called 'Winnie of Bourne' for his
wife and homeport. Nice name, good for spousal relations. Can
be carried to unfortunate extremes, however - 'Gladys of Akron',
or 'Moira of Newark' lack something.

In the old days, people gave their daughters names which reflected
desired traits (Chastity, Constance, Intrasigence, etc.) which
might give you some ideas.

Good names: Shore birds (Tern, Dovekie), daughters/wives first name 
and first letter of last name (Annabelle P), made-up words that sound 
like feminine names (Vamarie, Alondra), Some ducks (Bluebill,
Canvasback, NOT "Bufflehead" though), Water-related stuff (Spray
did well).

Bad Names: Evil spirits (Satan, Beezlebub, Cardinal Richelieu) although 
'Water Witch' is a good name and was a nice boat, might even be 
around still; Work related terms, even if you made pots of money 
(Bond Trader, Root Canal, Big Mac); unfortunate cute phrases 
(Alternative I-95); and perhaps the least imaginative, and oddly, 
most used boat name - THERAPY. 

Some boats have done well even with awful names - there's a
slightly famous catboat called 'Pinkletink' that was raced
pretty sucessfully.

So, my entry for your boat, after all that, is 'Dovekie'.
 
bobp@sandr.com
Bob Parkinson

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wtwitty@netcom.com (Pacific Systems)
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats (was Re: Boat Show)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:07:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.185152.7491@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>
>It's easy to understand once you actually try steering a boat with a
>tiller. Although it's hard to believe, for some idiotic reason the
>tiller and the boat actually move in opposite directions; in other
>words, if you push the tiller to the left, the boat turns to the
>right, or, to put it yet another way, if you point the tiller towards
>the place you wish to go to, the boat moves in the OPPOSITE direction!

I started with a tiller and it didn't take long for it to seem natural.
If I am on a boat with wheel steering, it takes a lot of concentration to know
which way to turn the wheel.  I'm sure glad this doesn't happen in the
car.

	--Bill


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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sail salvage w/power (bra
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:50:36 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes) writes:

	(delete 3 copies of two posts)

Little software problem there, Laughlin?  Must be a Bayliner package.
:-)

-- Bob

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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: From Avon to Zodiac
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:36:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
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From: rwein@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Robert A. Wein)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:33:24 GMT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () writes:
: Hello to all of you! - I would like some suggestions for the
: naming of my 23 foot Grady-White Gulfstream... I'm really having
: a tough time coming up with anything completley new and nautical!
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't know if my idea is very nautical, but may make a few people
happy if it works out.
My grandfather, in the name of equality, took letters out of his
three daughters names to come up with the name of his boat.  He 
even was able to take 2 from each!  

TRINARA    TR - Patricia
           IN - Catherine
           AR - Barbara
           A  - Arnold (his name, so that there would be 2 from each)

You never know, there may be a great name hiding in the letters of 
relatives!
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|V401A, Brock University, St. Catharines, Ont.  L2S 3A1  416/688-1786|
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach)
Subject: Books on Hull Design
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: boeing
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:46 GMT

I'm trying to find a good book that talks about
technical aspects of Hull design and boat design`
in general.  Something that addresses things
like reasons/benefits/tradeoffs for different types
of hull designs, etc.
I don't want it to be stale reading(i.e. book full
of equations that only discusses mathematical solutions)
Any reccomendations?
			Mike Wallach
From: reuven@hri.com (Reuven Koblick)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Origin of Larboard
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:32:28 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

According to the Am. Heritage Dictionary, larboard comes
from the Middle English "lad(e)board" meaning the side that
was used for loading since the other side had a steering oar.

Reuven Koblick
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: Liveaboard rent question
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:30:08 GMT

I've been following, with great interest, the postings on the liveaboard rent
question . . . As a liveaboard myself, I have a few thoughts on the matter . . .

My husband and I liveaboard our sailboat as a matter of choice . . . We prefer
to live on boats and untie on Saturday mornings to take off rather than mowing
lawns, cleaning gutters, etc.

I live in a marina that has somewhere between 200-500 liveaboards (it fluctuateswith the seasons).  We are not charged additional fees . . . Although, some
marinas in the Seattle area do (One in particular charges a 50% additional
charge for liveaboards making it $11.50/ft . . . easy to tell they don't want
us around).

If our marina were to charge a nominal liveaboard fee (for a reason) I would
gladly comply . . . However, they don't anticipate doing so . . . They even
struggled with adding a coin box on the showers (.25) . . . This was a
decision made because too many people would bring their dogs down on weekends
and bathe them in the showers.

Most of the people that liveaboard in our marina do so out of choice . . . just
like us . . . I feel we are a unique breed that enjoy rightsizing our lifestyles. . . When people ask how we decided to do this (and how we could talk their
spouse into it) . . . We readily admit, living on a boat is definitely not for
everyone . . . But, for those of us who enjoy and love it, we do it out of 
choice.

From: laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Pedal boat acrossAtlantic
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:00:00 -0800

SM/   Yesterday night I was watching Eye Witness Video and they had a video
of
  /an American who crossed the Atlantic from St.John's Newfoundland (Canada)
to
  /England (can't remember the exact arrival location) on a pedal boat (whew
lo
  /sentence) in 40 days.

SM/   I am left more curious about the technical side of his adventure (no,
I'm
  /not about to do this!!!)...Did anyone have anymore info? Read an article
on
  /it somewhere? How long was his boat? (guess 25?)...Homemade machine?

        Stephan, I'm guessing that was Dwight Collins.  The boat
was 24-foot, 850 lb. Built by Eric Goetz in Bristol RI from carbon
fibre over cedar planking.  And designed by Bruce Kirby BTW. The
1,930 miles (St.John's NFLD to Plymouth GB) took Dwight 40 days,
averaging 18 pedaling hours daily.

        Apparently the "fuel" was a carbohydrate-loaded diet of
cookies, trail mix and high-energy bars.  Dwight also carried
ni-cads and solar panels for his GPS and radio, although he went
for ten days of no communications in a period of sun-less days.

        He had head winds for the first two weeks, followed by two
gales.

        Laughlin Hughes
        S2S Toronto

ps... this info from the Nov/Dec issue of "Boating Business", the
Canadian marine trades mag.  Found it with a search for PEDAL in
the magazines database/conference here <grin>...

 * OLX 2.2 * Funny, the chart said plenty of depth!


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ua087@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Peyerl Fritz)
Subject: Re: Pressure Water Pump Problem
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:27:15 GMT



Jeff
I asume that you have a Paar Pump. The biggest problem with this 
Pump is that the housing is Plastic and the brass screwinserts slip
out. Also most of the time the Pulsationdampner is worn out and 
the ss plate on the bottom of the pump gets the full pressure
blow from the pump. Take Pump out take bottom off and check 
dampner. should be quit hard and has two square pockets. Also check 
the two rubber valves. When you take them out make sure that you 
don't mix them up. the look the same butt they are not. One has a small
hole the reliese the pressure after the pump is stopped. 
Should you have any ?????? send E-mail.
I am in the marine trade and have some expirience with thos pumps.
Good luck
Fritz
-- 
Don't worry be Happy
From: dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sail salvage w/power (brainstorm)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: teroach!dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Analog Integrated Circuits Division

In article <1993Jan25.183818.14843@sequent.com> caf@sequent.com (Frank Collom) writes:
 
>There is a a 26' Thunderbird beached near my home on the Columbia.
>HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT SAVING THIS BOAT?

   Kedge it off.  Borrow a large anchor and chain.  Attach them to the
sailboat using a block and tackle or a hand winch (come-a-long).  Use
your powerboat to take the anchor out into the river, and lower using
a trip line you have rigged (and will need to get the anchor out after
you apply the forces you are about to give it.)  Tighten the winch up 
to set the anchor and apply tension to the sailboat.  Keep it tight.
The mud has probably stuck to the boat, so it will take large forces
a long time to get it unstuck.

-Dave
From: laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sail salvage w/power (bra
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:13:00 -0800

FC/From: caf@sequent.com (Frank Collom)
  /Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

FC/There is a a 26' Thunderbird beached near my home on the Columbia.
  /It has been there about three weeks now and a friend and I have
  /tracked down the owner and he is willing to let us salvage the boat.

FC/The boat is in 4' to 6.5' of water depending on tides,  the keel is
  /toward shore and now pretty much burried into the sand and muck. She's
  /on her side (mast toward river, bow upstream) at about 30 degrees.

FC/We attempted to turn and drag her into deeper water where she could be
  /righted using my 29' Criss with twin 350's but couldn' budge her.

        I wonder if the T-Bird is stuck then, in the suction of the
sand and mud? That being the case, could a diver use a water pump
to "blow away" the mud and sand around the keel? Even just loosen
the stuff enough so the keel will break free?

        Laughlin Hughes
        Skipper, Ship to Shore OIS, Toronto

 * OLX 2.2 * When in doubt, go for a sail...


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: JETSKI GROUP
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:45:52 GMT

In article <7800123@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jbarnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (R. Jim Barnes) writes:
>Is there a jetski notes group out there or are people just placing them in  
>rec.boats?

No special group to my knowledge.  Also, little to no traffic here about
PWC (Personal Water Craft, the PC (Politicaly Correct) acronym). OK? (Okay)
;-)

I'll risk public scorn and confess that I like them (the sit-down style
as opposed to the real "ski" style).  As a matter of fact I'll probably
own one in the medium future, along with a sailboat at some point and
probably a powerboat as well someday...  quite a ways down the road
for all of these of course, I'm _not_ rich, sigh.

I also would like to hear some of that good old net wisdom regarding
manufacturers etc. since I'm considering a purchase perhaps this
summer.

Don
-- 
" 'Cause you see son, it's one of my responsibilities as a parent to wean
you from life's joy and prepare you for the relentless heartache that is
adulthood." -- Earl Sinclair to Robbie
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From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Liveaboard rent question
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:55:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>The irony is that
>people don't usually liveaboard because they're rich boat owners.  It's
>usually because they can't afford to buy a house.

Presuming we're talking about North America here, I have to
respond "oh bullshit".  People around here live aboard because
they like it.

-rickf


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker )
Subject: Wheel steering on small boats (was Re: Boat Show)
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:42:54 GMT

	Wayne Simpson (I believe) writes:

>    I agree with Jeff regarding the now ubiquitous wheel steering. A 27
> foot boat simply doesn't need it and I don't understand why so many people
> want them. I mentioned this to a dealer at the Annapolis show and she 
> seemded positively indignant. "People want them. It's just not a Big Boat
> without a wheel!", she said. My reply? "Steering a boat this size with a 
> wheel is like making love with gloves on. There's just no feel at all."
>
	An extreme case of wheelitis I saw once was a wheel somebody
	had rigged up on their San Juan 21. I guess it's just not a
	"yacht" without the wheel.

Dave

From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:19:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Origin of Starboard (was Wheel steering on small boats)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats


What do people use for Port and Starboard in other European languages, The
local permutation of the original viking word and the local word for port?

Cheers

Brenda
From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Liveaboard rent question
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:11:29 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1898@tekgen.bv.tek.com> paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) 
writes:

>> The irony is that people don't usually liveaboard because they're rich boat 
>> owners.  It's usually because they can't afford to buy a house.
>
>Presuming we're talking about North America here, I have to
>respond "oh bullshit".  People around here live aboard because
>they like it.

Well, I'll horseshit your bullshit.  For many of us, it *is* a question of
economics.  I can plan to buy either a boat or a house in about 3 years, and
the other one several years after that, or longer if the economy gets worse.
Given a choice between sailing now and sailing when I'm 40 if I'm lucky, I will
sail now.  

I don't think the original poster (I forget her name) was arguing that a boat
is much cheaper than a house, but rather that a boat is an option on a budget.
If you want to afford the boat you live on it.

Karina

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From: boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:26:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Sail salvage w/power (brainstorm)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Seems that adding boyancy is essential.  I've known of at least one
derilect that sank in a channel, was re-floated by area residents using
high-speed pumps and (believe it or not) hand-drill pumps.  It floated
long enough for them to move it out of the way and afix it more 
perminately in it's new muddy berth.  In 6' of water (she should only
draw 4), you ought to be able to float her off if her seacocks are
closed and there are no holes, and you start pumping before the
water spilles over the transom (etc -how obvious).  If she's got a
lot of sand and mud inside, it's gotta go first.  It'd be nice if 
you could get her standing some but short of digging out her keel
I can't figure it.  If the keel is sufficiently buried, she might
not rite even with flotation.  Sounds like a real conundrum.


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gern@AI.RL.AF.MIL (The Gern)
Subject: SF Boat Show
Organization: USAF/Rome Lab
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:25:01 GMT

Boat Show 21-24 JAN at the ONCenter (the new thing at the Armory)
in Syracuse, NY.   Adults $6

The world DOES revolve around Engineers - We chose the coordinate system!
From: neenan@miki.pictel.com (Kevin Neenan)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:27:59 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <93025.25541.L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>From: <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>
>Hello to all of you! - I would like some suggestions for the
>naming of my 23 foot Grady-White Gulfstream... I'm really having
>a tough time coming up with anything completley new and nautical!
>So anything goes!!!!!!
>
>Thanks a lot! (The winner gets $65!)
>
>Mark
>
>I've seen some good suggestions posted. Here are some bad ones:
>
>Unsinkable II
>Never Again III
>
>I don't recall where I first got them.  Originality has been
>described as the art of remembering what you hear while forgetting
>where you heard it.  (Dr. Laurence J. Peter...)
>
>Al Moore

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 How about ...   the "CAPSIZE" !

 ...just make sure to print it upside down so other

    boats will be able to read it.


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Perminate Moorings
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:02:18 GMT

In article <3450069@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet) writes:
>I belong to a group of sailboaters interested in setting up our
>own mooring (perminate) in one of the South Bay sloughs.  The
>...
>get too involved in this project.  The bottom is mud, mud, and
>more mud (and some shell).. but mostly MUD.  Water depth about

By far the best bang for your buck will be mushroom anchors.
In mud, smaller anchor will hold very well, and a larger one
....  Well, better not plan on getting it back up after it
settles in.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: PWC Safety
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:03:44 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com
Keywords: Complain, but to the right people

Hi Y'all...

I've seen alot of stories come across here lately about some
sort of run-in with some fool on a PWC, and while I'm sure
there are legitimate problems, it strikes me that perhaps the
folks who need to know this are not being informed.

While there's nothing wrong in sharing an experience with your
fellow boaters (because we all benefit from knowing what could
happen, if...), one should not let it die on the dock, so to
speak.

If some fool on a PWC (or any watercraft, for that matter) has
violated the rules of seamanship, and put you in a delicate si-
tuation because of their negligence, then I'm sure that the CG
or the Game and Fish or whoever would be happy to hear from you.
Take their hull numbers, and turn 'em in!

You can always confront them, as well. Here's a trick I had pu-
lled on me one time as a kid, and it worked wonders:

I was out driving my dad's truck like Mario Andretti (you know,
burning rubber, doing bat-turns, etc., generally acting like a
teenager.). This man followed me, and waited till I was on a
dead-end road, and cornered me. He cussed me up one side, and
down the other. Then, he told me that I was going to drive back
to my folks' house, with him following me, and he was going to
tell my parents what I was up to. He had a faster truck than
my dad's, and he told me I'd better not run, so I didn't (I wan-
ted to, but I didn't chance it). Anyhow, we got to my folks'
house, and he explained to my dad what I had been up to. Need-
less to say, I paid in spades for that one. I'd bet that some-
thing like that would do the trick with most kids, since it's
likely their parents have no idea what they're up to.

The other thing to keep in mind is that just because some bozo
on a Doo-Hah has just PO'd the devil out of you, that's no rea-
son to outlaw Doo-Hahs. It's a reason to enforce the laws that
already exist, and get Bozo off the water. It's the moron who's
the problem, not the machine.

-- Mike

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