From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:40:43 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.004700.13613@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
>You are logically wrong. It's the governments who need to apologize. Since  
>Chinese government has not apologized to the Korean people, why should we be  
>so  
>
>Carl

I am not sure if you are a Korean or Japanese or Chinese.  As a Chinese, to
the best of my knowledge, the last time Chinese invading to Korean was 
between Sui and Tang Dynasties. Of course, there must be several attempts,
but all were inbetween a time span of about 50 years.  Later, of course
Mongolian and Manchurian had invaded Korea.  But do you think today's Chinese
should apology to Korean for those once nomad people?:-)  Maybe you know
more about Korean history.  Correct me if I am wrong.

The invasion attempt in Sui Dynasties was completed failed.  The Sui
Emperor wanted conquered Korean without a battle.  It was said only
conquering without a battle, or with only "humane" battles, could make
people really submissive in "mind".   But Sui emperor was not ZuGe Lian,
and Korean were not "Southern Barbarian" by all means.  Sui emperor's
army was completely defeated by Korean.   Later, in Tang Dynasty General
Xi led army to invade Korea.  From what I have read, I have not seen any
record about atrocity towards Korean civilian.   Anyway, it has been over
more than 1000 years.

As to Mongolian atrocity to Korean people, I think it was very likely.
Because they had done a lots atrocitie to Chinese people.    As to
Manchurian, most of time they were friends of Korean people.  Many times
Qing Dynasty helped Korean peopel expelled Japanese invasion army out
of Korean peninsular. I think Qing Dynasty had done much more good than
bad to Korean.

As to Korean War, I don't think you would call it Chinese invasion.:-)
I think had Chinese really invaded Korean in last 1000 years, Chou
EnLai would have already apologized to Korean people.   To the best
of my knowledge, Chou didn't make any such kind of apology to North
Korean; wheras Chou made apology to Vietnam for Chinese invasion
to Vietnam in Ming Dynasty.

In my opinion, today Chinese and Korean hatred towards Japanese, to large
extent, not because their invasion and conquer, but because the atrocities
Japanese had committed and even today their government still refuses
to acknowledge that.  A Korean friend of mine once told me, when Japanese
conquered Korean, Japanese imprison Korean king in a zoo to degrade
Korean people; Japanese also ordered only ONE chopper(small one, for kitchen)
was shared by 50 households in proventting rebelion;  whoever violated
this rule would be beheaded.

In the last 150 years, many nations had invaded China.  Why there are
not much hatred of Chinese people left except for Japanese (perhaps
Russia also, but much minor comparing with Japanese)  ?    Some nations
holds colony (HongKong) even today, but Chinese people generally don't
hate them at all.  Why ?  Because Japanese army have cmmitted unspeakable
atrocity to Chinese people under the same flag they wave today and theri
government refuses to apology for that.

Someone suspect if Chinese had same chance, Chinese would have done same
thing to Japanese.  My answer is NO!  In the first place, Chinese show
no interest in Japan at all.(BTW, I don't think it is good.)
How many of you know Japanese ancient and modern history?  But a Japanese
high school student knows many details of modern Chinese history, for
example, the fall of gang of four.

From my observation, Chinese people have no mentality to invade other
nation, let alone invading Japan, similar to American people at this point;
never care what is going on in other part of the world.   But Japanese
people still have such mentality.  I have met talked to many Japanese
in many occasions, students and scientists, young and aged, rude and
nice, all kinds.  To my big surprise, average educated Japanese know
a great lot more about China's history, modern and ancient, than 
what average educated Chinese know about Japanese history.

Maybe Japanese curiosity about other nation is not a sign of bad thing.
So it definitely does hurt for Chinese peple and American people to learn
from Japanese in this aspect.

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T.T.Wu

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