From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
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Subject: Re: RFD: Rename rec.music.maker.synth to rec.music.synth?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:53:40 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Dec14.214944.5482@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>My apologies.  I received the email below from Jay Maynard after politely
>asking him to stop baiting Dave Hayes and perpetuating the flamewar,

...and then, after replying to my polite reaponse, sending me a flame...

>and thought Jay's response to my request (shown below) sufficiently idiotic
>and stupid that hey, why be polite back? 

...in standard Joel Furr "let's flame anything that moves" fashion...

>So I forwarded the email from my
>kludgy old general mail account to USENET via a mail-to-news gateway and it
>stripped me off it and put Jay as author of the entire message, as opposed
>to author of the forwarded text.  My apologies as far as _that_ is
>concerned...

Well, at least he knows how to apologize for forging news articles...now how
about for uncalled-for flamage?

>nonetheless, I think the text you'll see below the line marked
>-Original message- demonstrates for once and for all that:
>1) Jay is an idiot

Only in your tiny little mind. After all, anyone who _dares_ disagree with
Joel Furr _has_ to be an idiot, right?...after all, Joel Furr is the sole
arbiter of right and wrong on the net...

>2) Jay doesn't give a hoot about any of the things he debates about, such
>   as efficient functioning of groups or rights of individuals or ANY of
>   that... he's just here to babble endlessly and sate his ego's desire for
>   notoriety.

Hardly.
I care about what I'm arguing; nevertheless, I do feel that Dave Hayes is
arguing just to hear himself argue, and I would have been open to
consideration of dropping the whole subject - except that the request to do so
came from someone who doesn't ask, but flame, and I refuse to allow anyone who
works that way to change how I do things on the net.

>In article <9212141906.AA08716@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>(actually, _I_ write:)

Well, at least you acknowledge the forgery.

>>Just a little rudely forwarded email from Jay Maynard on the subject of
>>"jay, stop encouraging Dave Hayes"...

Yup...it's a well-accepted principle on the net that private email should
remain that way and not be posted publicly without the permission of the
sender. Ever hear of the term "copyright violation"?

>and here's Jay's response to my polite request to stop baiting Dave:

Well, since we're posting email, here are the two messages Joel sent me that
led up to this point: (I'll trim off most of the headers, in the interest of
bandwidth; if anyone wants the full messages, I'll be happy to email them)

First message:
----8<----cut here---->8----
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
To: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: RFD: Rename rec.music.maker.synth to rec.music.synth?

Come on, dammit.  By going toe to toe with Hayes, quoting his idiotic
posts at length and inserting your own witty rejoinders, you're almost
singlehandedly keeping the flamewar alive.  Just stop replying to him, or
take it to mail.
----8<----cut here---->8----
Polite, huh? By Joel's standards of flaming, perhaps. I replied to this by
asking something about uncalled-for flamage and now he's asking me for
something? (No doubt he'll forge a message from me with the exact text,
too...)

Here's his second message, in reply:
----8<----cut here---->8----
From: FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: RFD: Rename rec.music.maker.synth to rec.music.synth?
To: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>

Uncalled for?  Nope, it was called for.

And by fueling Hayes's fire, you're calling for more.
----8<----cut here---->8----
Here, he says that he's going to post yet more uncalled-for flamage.

In that context, my response was appropriate.

>Sigh.

Indeed.

Joel, you do indeed reap what you sow.

For those of you who aren't interested in this, I apologize; obviously, taking
it to email isn't an option, given Joel's demonstrated propensity of forging
postings apparently from me to the net with my responses.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "All [Windows] NT has is a lot of journalists fooled." -- Brian Button
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