From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Meanwhile, back at news.admin.policy (Was Re: That "Hitler" was an amateur)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:30:20 GMT
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In <1992Dec15.172414.2032@afterlife.ncsc.mil> michael@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Michael of Nebadon) writes:

+>In article <9212142237@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
+>>In article <8107@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) write\
+>s:
+>>>And another thing: Is there anyone else out there who finds Carl's
+>>>practice of including voluminous references in _every_ article he
+>>>posts as annoying as Hasan B Mutlu/Serdar Argic's similar practice?

+>Not having experienced the "Hasan B Mutlu/Serdar Argic" practice
+>before, I couldn't comment. I can now say that I _do_not_ find
+>Carl's practice of including "voluminous references" as annoying as
+>Serdar Argic's "similar" practice.

>[ ... ]

+>If Serdar Argic's idea of a succinct article is a 200+ line submission
+>crossposted to six groups, I count myself lucky that we hang around
+>different parts of the Usenet. I can only hope this wasn't a
+>representative example of what he normally posts. He even seems to be a
+>subscriber to the how-to-win-friends-through-inflammatory-subject-lines
+>school of thought. On, well...

	Serdar Argic is a propoganda machine whose source of funding 
is unknown.  He has a set of huge articles that he posts over and 
over again with no more than a couple of bizzare lines of comment
as new material.  
	The post you saw is not normal in that usually there are 15 of
them...all 200+ lines posted every day.  "Argic" is not posting under
his name or from his real site and cares nothing for what anyone thinks
of him.  He is a pure propogandist.



	The targets of Mr. Argic's hate are all former peoples under
the rule of the turks (Greeks, Armenians, Rumanians, Arabs....).

	He will not respond to challenges of his material, he just 
posts it over and over again.  And its not a matter of lets say
one 200+ line submission, its 10-12 200+ line submissions posted
daily to a core of five or six groups.
	If anyone, in another set of groups which he posts to less
frequently (like this one), mentions his name.  He will start posting
his junk until everyone stops mentioning his name.
	What the person (or persons) calling himself Argic is trying
to do is create a steamroller effect where he posts so much that
there is no way for anyone to keep up with in disputing it.
	He misquotes, he selectivly quotes, he puts words in his sources
mouths which they do not say.  He publishes quotes from sources that
refute his own arguements.  And most of all, he does not respond.  Just
POSTS and POSTS.

	He has managed to do a great deal of damage to soc.history
and soc.culture.europe as groups by his postings.  There is nothing
than can be done about it though.
	
	I dont read Carl's posts and have nothing to say about them.
I would guess that he is not in the same class as Argic if he 
responds to challenges of his material, posts from a real site using
his real name and does not post material proved time and time again
to be wrong.



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