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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190916.12079@rtsg.mot.com> sorbrrse@rtsg.mot.com (Russell E. Sorber) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.135553.10915@weyrich.UUCP> uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville writes:
>>
>>What is different between a disgruntled employee walking out the door with
>>valuable training, experience, and expertise and a union strike?
>>
>
>Several orders of magnitude.  
>(1000 employees >> 1).  In the workplace and elsewhere people acting 
>together can often accomplish worthy goals not attainable 
>by individuals.
>

Unions function by reducing people to a commodity.  It's just
like saying "do this and this and this or we'll turn off your
electricity."  "Do this and this and this or we'll keep out your
employees."  Unions oppose merit pay and consideration based on
an employee's individual skills and merits.  They are a dehumanizing
influence.  By treating people like interchgangeable elements
of a collective, unions have helped foster the move away from
skilled labor and towards the no-skill-required types of jobs
that everyone is loathe to take.  When no skill is needed to
perform a job, then the people performing that job *are* a
fungible commodity and a scab is as good or bad as the union
worker he/she is replacing.  The unions have led to their own
decline.  They can't help but decline - it's part of their
essence.  As an individual employee, however, I can negotiate
my *own* benefits and wages based on my performance.  The only
person who would not prefer this type of employer/employee
relationship in this day and age is one who feels comfortable
lost in the pack.  If unions really wanted to help their members,
and not just line the pockets of the union leaders, they'd
steer their movement back along the lines of the guilds of the
previous few hundred years - help people gain real skills and
encourage those "graduates" of the system (journeymen) to take
on others (apprentices) to pay back their debt to the guild.
BTW, I have belonged to a union.  The Mobst... uh, Gangst... uh,
Teamsters Union.  My happiest day with them was the day I got
my withdrawl card.

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: tse@foolish.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:06:23 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism
Keywords: interview,career,preferred job

In article <ted.718661389@sage0> ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
|int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) writes:
|>   "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
|>a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"
|
|	The same thing as when asked, "Where do you expect to be in
|	X years?"
|
|	From the hiring person's perspective, they have to pay time
|	and money to train an individual to work in their company and
|	their environment.  They want to make sure that the person
|	stays with the company and that job as long as possible.

Gee, my boss asked me something just like this during my interview at
Apple ("What's your ideal job?").  I gave the honest answer too.
"Graveyard-shift bridge toll collector", I said.  He not only hired
me, apparently he made some minor speed record pushing my offer through
the pipe.  I wonder how much more money I would have gotten had I lied
and answered with something silly like "manager".  

Hmmm....

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: tinker@rtsg.mot.com (Charles A. Tinker)
Subject: Credibility of World Wide Employment Opportunities Company
Summary: Does anyone know of this Co?
Keywords: World Wide Employment Opportunities
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:53:15 GMT

	This Co. (1-800-33-8564) says they have jobs available all over
	the world for immediate short term (up to a year).  The part 
	that smells is that they demand $290.00 up front before they
	will even send out your info, but they say this is immediately
	refunded after they screen you

	Has anyone ever had dealings with this company? This is posted
	for a friend who had contacted them about a job in New Zealand.

	Chuck Tinker
	(708) 632-6635
From: linda@Software.Mitel.COM (Linda Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:56:33 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


 I live in Canada where there is a Family leave Act and "NO", I have never
felt discriminated against.  I'm in the High tech industry which, I might add, 
is relatively new to women and when I was interviewed for my position   
never once did I ever feel like they might be thinking that I could one day
be requesting maternity leave.  Thought you'd like to know my $0.02 worth.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.160621.2035@informix.com> cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.230142.10953@cs.tulane.edu> coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>... blah, blah, blah
>
>>Now I'm 30 and we're moving to California in January.  So that means
>>I'll be interviewing again.  This time I'm feeling some pressure.
>>U.S. employers look at me and think, "She's running out of time,
>>she'll probably get pregnant and since there's no parental leave
>>there's a good chance she'll quit."  In Canada the employer may
>>lose the employee for 4 to 6 months, but they'll be back.  Here
>>employers waste time and money training women who feel obligated to
>>quit their jobs so that they can spend at least the first six months
>>with their new baby.
>>
>
>This is the best argument for parental leave I have seen so far.
>

If it is, then there's not much of an argument. There is no difference to
the employer whether the mother quits or takes maternity leave -- either
way the mother needs to be done without or replaced. If the mother truly
has training that still remains valuable when she is ready to rejoin the
workforce, the employer will find it to be economically sound to reinstate
her [regardless of whether she took leave or quit].

But in many [not all] cases, the "temporary" replacement becomes more
useful after 4-6 months on the job than the mother after 4-6 months
away from the job. In this situation, forcing the employer to dump the
replacement in favor of the original is doing the employer and the 
replacement a dis-service.

And legislating that this must be done makes hiring individuals that might
take maternity leave on the average more costly. And if they are more costly,
but hired anyway by legislative mandate, it results in a less productive
economy. And a less productive economy is less able to pay for all the
trinkets that it gets from overseas.

CLUE FOR SALE: If American women don't like working for American companies,
how well will they like their employers when they are all owned by the Japanese,
Arabs, etc.? Not to belittle the cultures of these countries, but the cultures
are definitely DIFFERENT, and CONTRARY to the values that women's rights
advocates profess. We in this country MUST either cut our appetite for foreign
trinkets like TV's, VCR's, oil, and Z-cars, or else increase our productivity.

I would love to hear some concrete proposals for doing this that could be
used to fund these additional benefits.

orville

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Orville R. Weyrich, Jr.                        Weyrich Computer Consulting
Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer            Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:54:17 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct8.181620.6617@sequent.com> john@sequent.com 
(John Vander Borght) writes:
>choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

>>Museums are nice ...but me and my child don't visit my favorite photo gallery 
>>anymore, because a few months ago, across the street, a man was beaten to 
>>death by a gang(Mission Street, SF in broad daylight).  He was a perfect
>>stranger - they said they were just fooling around and having a good time.
>
>If I stopped going everywhere there was a crime, I'd have to stay in my
>house.  I don't think anyone can let fear stop them from living.  If you
>do, you've surrendered to the bad guys.  Places go bad, when good people
>stop going to them.

Be serious - I didn't say everywhere there was a crime,...just areas where 
people have been recently murdered in broad daylight.  Not the kind of place 
I like to take the kids....you may feel differently about yours (if any)
And in the paragraph RIGHT before this YOU SAY:

   >Crime is everywhere now.  Even small cities like Portland have their share
   >of crime.  If you are fairly smart about where you go and when, you can
   >avoid a lot of it. 

diana
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rksoni@IASTATE.EDU (Rajesh K Soni)
Subject:  List of professional recruiters for mechanical engineers
Keywords: professional mechanical
Reply-To: rksoni@IASTATE.EDU (Rajesh K Soni)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:16:08 GMT

I am looking for list of professional recruiters for mechanical engineers in the
area of design, manufacturing, controls and graphics applications.

Appreciate if anyone can provide some information.
Thank you 


--
-- Rajesh K Soni                              rksoni@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:02:27 GMT

   I've just had a great time reading through all the responses in
this thread.  I've lived in Detroit, Silicon Valley, San Diego,
Boston, and now in Ann Arbor.  I've had a great time in all five
places.
   Picking a "nice place" to live is as personal as the person doing
the choosing.  Some people like the desert, some people like the
mountains, and some people even like Michigan.  :)

Have fun, Dan
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: akerson@deimos.srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Subject: Re: nice places, taxes in Md.
Organization: Arinc Research Corp.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 20:15:52 GMT



keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes :

>> One has
>> to pay local income taxes, in addition to state & federal taxes.
>> In fact, one pays state taxes based on where you live and work.
>> For example, if you live in Baltimore, but work in DC, you will
>> pay one rate.  But if you live outside of Baltimore, and work
>> in Baltimore, you will pay another rate.  If you live in MD and
>> work out of state, you will pay still another rate.  If you live 
>> out of state, and work in MD, you pay still another rate.

TOTALLY FALSE ! At least since 1982, when I started paying taxes here.
(Gee ... I've never upper-cased at someone before...)

you pay federal here, like anywhere else, then also an income-based
state tax which is about 1/3 of the federal. And, depending on which
county you live in 50%-30% again of that ammount to the county. And
Baltimore may even have a city-tax, but I dont think so.

FYI - Md. taxes are about the third or fourth highest in the US, the
state govt. is in deficit, and we get little or no state services.

It is worth it to live on the bay.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rslade@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Slade)
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Keywords: interview,career,preferred job
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:24:56 GMT

The interviewer is trying, in what s/he thinks is a subtle way, to
weed out candidates who have "high" asperations and will be bored in
this job and quickly leave it for another.

This question has many variations: where do you want to be in 5/10/20
years time, what is your ultimate goal in life, what is your career
objective, etc.  By excluding the job being interviewed for, the
interviewer obviously is thinking to "fool" the candidate into being
honest.  (I may be too harsh here: it is barely possible that the
interviewer is trying to see if alternative career goals indicate a
sincere interest in the field under consideration, but for a low level
clerical job that does not make much sense.)

In any case, the question, in whatever form, is fairly transparent to
any candidate who has had a number of interviews.  I never use it.  I
prefer, if I think the candidate is overqualified and likely to leave,
to say so and have the candidate react to that.
From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:50:11 GMT
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <719000659snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk>, tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
...
> Let me recount a little story:
> 
> Scene: Recent graduate visiting an IBM office for a job interview.
> 
> Interview asks first question: "What do the letters I B M stand for?"
> 
> Interviewee: "Uh. Dunno"
> 
> End of interview
> 
> Now that's what I call a good interview question! :-)

	That's a bit different than asking someone where your degree is from. 
I expect people to know a little (preferably a lot) about the company they are
interviewing for also.  But (at least here in the US) you have no idea who will
be doing the interviewing.  So, unless you're Ross Perot, it's a little hard to
do investigations of people.
:)

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:14:55 EST
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <int559r.718495844@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au>, int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) writes:
> Hi all.
> 	My girlfriend went to an interview recently for a receptionist
> position in a (small) printing/publishing firm, and the interviewer
> asked her:
> 
>    "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
> a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"
> 
> 	The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
> trying to ask?

	Sounds like a "personality" type question, like ones about hobbies,
etc.
	Probably wanted to know is she was ambitious, or if being a secretary
was her life's goal.

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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From: dlhpfm.uucp!tes!sam@ab.com
Newsgroups: group,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,cle.jobs
Subject: REPOST of 10-6-92 Field Service Engineer(s) (Agent)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 08:40:53 EDT
Organization: Technical Employment Services, Inc.

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     LOS ANGELES/ORANGE COUNTY - - Field Service Engineer - X-Ray.

     ORANGE COUNTY - - Field Service Engineer Siemens CT, Siemens
                       Training and 2+ years experience.

     PHOENIX, AZ - - Field Service Engineer, CT GE 9800/8800,
                     Higher pay for MRI experience

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                                     and Picker a PLUS


Respond to Sam Sheterom,    TES, Inc.,    31601 Vine Street, 
Willowick, Ohio  44095 (216) 585-0200 FAC (216) 585-7327
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cscc13@judy.uh.edu (NAVEED IQBAL)
Subject: Re: US Permanent Resident Visa Lottery
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:25:00 GMT

>I am seeking details of the draw of US Visa for permanent
>residency status (the 2nd annual draw)
> 
>If you have details of this would you please E-mail me
>direct at "peterw@tps.com" or "@tplrd.tpl.oz.au"


Check alt.visa.us

Naveed
NIqbal@uh.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:30:18 GMT

In article <BvqGF3.H0G@cs.dal.ca> dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) writes:
>[description of job hunting deleted fro sake of bandwidth]
>
>And I know I do.  For the benefit of the Americans here, I will explain
>where the "maternity leave" (as the government calls it) comes from.
>It is not payed for by the employer (excpet for training of temp.)
>Every 2 weeks in Canada, the Government takes a slice out of your 
>paycheque under the heading of "Unemployment Insurance."  Unlike the
>U.S. where the employer pays for this, you the employee do, taking
>a burden off the the employer (except for calculating this deduction :)).
>Now, let's suppose you get pregnant.  What happens is that you go to your
>local Canada Employment Centre/Insurance Office and fill out an application
>for UI.  If you qualify (varies from region to region), your pay is given
>to you by the government (actually comes from your paying into the "pot", so
>to speak).  The employer only has to pay for the temporary while you are gone.

So there you have it -- maternity leave costs taxes. If we do it like our
neighbors to the north, it will be a direct payroll tax for that  purpose.

We don't even have to do it at the Federal level -- the citizens of any
enlightened state can put the issue on a state ballot by initiative. [Or is
AZ the only enlightened state that allows voter initiative? The states already
handle the first line defense on unemployment insurance so a state initiative
is appropriate.]

I would be happy to vote for such a measure as long as the benefits were 
proportional to the contribution of the family unit that is recieving the
benefit. [I.e., as long as the woman is able to collect the benefit derived
from knowing who the father is and from having a contractual agreement for
joint support of the offspring].

[Lest anyone complain that I am penalizing mothers that through some misfortune
have lost their marriage parnters, I am not -- if they had a marriage partner
at the time the child was concieved then they should get the benefit. If they
didn't, they get no sympathy from me. Their child, yes, it has my sympathy.
But doing anything to encourage the Murphy Browns of the world does NOT
do children any favors.]

But the more obvious the linkage to one's take-home pay, the less likely
it is to pass. Reminds me of the song lyric "Everyone wants to go to
heaven, but nobody wants to die."

orville

--------------------------------------   **************************************
Orville R. Weyrich, Jr.                        Weyrich Computer Consulting
Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer            Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net
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From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:59:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA

In an article, greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>[...] Frankly, if I were to start making demands it would be for LESS work
>or MORE money.  Ideally both, where the amount of work comes as close as
>possible to zero.

You sound like the ideal employee. If we were hiring, you'd be just the kind
of person that I'd be looking for.

NOT.

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike  (714) 681-2623
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: chris@fnbc.com (Chris Toczycki)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strange Interviewing question
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:12:37 GMT
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA

In article <int559r.718495844@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au>  
int559r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Misha Verplak) writes:
> Hi all.
> 	My girlfriend went to an interview recently for a receptionist
> position in a (small) printing/publishing firm, and the interviewer
> asked her:
> 
>    "If I offered you any job in the world, provided that it would not be
> a receptionist or secretary, what job would you prefer?"
> 
> 	The question excluded the job offered, so what was she really
> trying to ask?

I'd go and find another world.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: marilyn@netcom.com (Marilyn Mallette)
Subject: Info on CSC?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:57:52 GMT

A friend of mine works for Hughes Aircraft in one of their MIS groups.  Hughes
has just outsourced its MIS to CSC.  Does anyone have any information about
CSC in general?  How is the MIS staff at Hughes likely to be treated (i.e.
taken on en mass, interviewed for positions at CSC, fired)?  If they are
hired, what are the working conditions like at CSC?  

E-mail or post, depending on your preference.  If there is suffcient interest,
I'll post a summary.

Thanks!
Marilyn
marilyn@netcom.com
From: engleman@ceco.ceco.com (Alan J. Engelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Technical writing info request
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:49:52 GMT
Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co.


Can anyone provide me with information about careers in technical writing?
What are common requirements? Who hires (what industries)? What are typical
assigments?

Thanks in advance

 - Al E.