From: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <1992Apr8.103114.15035@odin.diku.dk>, karl@diku.dk (Karl-Christian Hansen) writes:
>fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes:
>
>>>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)
>
>>Karl> Being in the EEC, Denmark will be governed from Brussels and Strasbourg,
>>Karl> where the EEC parliament resides. Denmark has 16 representants in the
>>Karl> parliament, Germany, France and the UK a lot more.
>
>>Sure, there are a lot more Germans than Danes. It's called democracy,
>>Karl. 
>
>I see! :-)
>Actually, it's called Majority Dictatorship. In a true democracy (by the 
>original definition), the majority rules with due respect to the minority.
>Also, everybody gets to vote for/against ALL the politicians. You and I are 
>not going to vote for, or against, Helmuth Kohl, or that crazy Frenshman
>called LePen. But these people (both of whom I suspect of having some
>pretty right-winged viewpoints) get to rule us. Democracy my ass!

I've been reading these postings con/pro EU/EEC for a while, and the
same argument keeps on coming up over and over again.  In most
"democarties" (Sweden, Denmanrk(?), Germany(?) U.S.A.(??(:-))) the
voters are divided into constituenies each having their own candidates.
As an example, Swedes living in the Stockholm area cannot vote for nor
against (by voting for another candidate) a candidate running for a seat
in the Riksdag (Parlianmet) in Norrland.  The analogy is more than
clear, when (if) we become a member of the EU/EEC Swedes get to vote
"for" candidates from Sweden, just like Stockholmers in the Swedish
elections get to vote "for" candidates from Stockholm.  I presume the
same goes for the Danish (and other countries') elections (right?/wrong?) 

Another thing which has come up in this newsgroup is the argument
"Denmark will have so few seats in the EU/EEC parliament, and Germany
soooo many".  The analogy to national elections goes well here, too.  In
the Riksdag there are more seats (and thus "representatives") for
Stockholm than for Norrbotten (County of N., the northern-most county of
Sweden).  (Yes, I've heard about the party in Norrbotten which wants to
make Norrbotten independent of Sweden, but that's irrelevant to *this*
discussion at *this* time.)  The interesting issue for an EU/EEC election
discussion must be to assure that each representative "represents" the
same number of EU/EEC citizens, regardless of whether she/he is a Greek,
German or Danish representative. 

>Now we're at it, "Front Nationale" (Frensh party) will have ~10% of the 
>Frensh votes, which will give them ~8 seats in the EC parliament. I fear
>the same goes for Germany and UK. These ultra-rights WILL be able to join 
>forces, with the result that 20-30 seats in named parliament will consist
>of a united nazi block.

Might be, but there is nothing (besides stupitidy and prejudices)
preventing other parties to form alliancies with thier sister parties
in the other countries.  This would make the liberals, conservatives,
social democrats and other "non-nazi" party alliacies each have more
seats than the "united nazi block".  ->  No problem here either!

This proves the "democracies" in Sweden and Denmark(?) are as bad as 
the EU/EEC "democracy".

mats d.

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