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From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175645.18967@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>Well, just like to Chang4 Dui4 Tai1 Xi4. Inner fights exist every where,
>not only within Chinese. Nor inner fights would necessarily make the
>fighters weaker. The problem is what they are fighting, and unite on what?
>I think we should promote fighting with sportsman spirit with styles.
>Keep accusing others without a single fact is IMO not a good style. If
>Liu's article has misstated facts, a single statement to point it out
>is enough. Writing a million-word letter with even a million people
>to sign up has prove nothing except of course "Hua Qing Jie Xian." Of
>course, fighting should be stopped once the Jie Xian has been drawn. But
>if somebody HQJX and keep fighting the parties in the other side of the
>Xian, then how can you stop the fight?
>
>Steven
>-- 
>328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
>
Agreed. We need more facts and less labels in this group. More
persuading with facts, less cursing with labels.
From: lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM: a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:08:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
[On handing in Lu's letter to the police by Lu's friend (not)]
>We could have known the full content of the letters had they not been 
>handed to the police! 

>All this reminds me of a story. It goes like this. A customer went
>to a restaurant to eat monkey brains. So he was standing in front 
>of a cage of monkeys trying to pick one. All the monkeys stared 
>at the customer nervously, somehow knowing one of them was going to
>die. Then the cuscomer pointed at one monkey. All of a sudden,
>all other monkeys jumped up, grabed the unlucky monkey, and pushed him 
>out of the cage!
Nothing can justify Lu's killing. But I can hardly hate a dead man
even though he is allegedly to have ruined our CSS' good name. If some
jerk relates this single incident to the whole group of CSS, he is
beneath contempt and we, the CSS, should unite together to fight
against this kind of discrimination. Otherwise just get the hell
out of here, because if you can not make it your home and be equal with
others, what good to stay here? The threatening calls to other Lu's in
Iowa after the shooting made me sick, we should be more alerted to
the unjust discrimination instead of worrying too much how others are
going to look at us. Please remember that you have every right
to f**k it back when you get screwed. So please don't do any monkey
thing anymore, or you remain to be a loser forever.

This doesn't mean to offend anybody. What I am trying to say is that
we've got to change our attitude. We are not responsible for Lu, neither
is "culture revolution". So why bother to carry Lu's coffin when working
so hard to have a better life?

xj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:36:05 GMT

>How do you know that???
>
>I suggest that you read my previous post or ask CND to send you a full copy of 
>our letter.   Please note:  ALL chinese students metioned in Mr. Liu's article
>agree the content of this letter.
>
>Feng, Wei
>Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
>The Univ. of Iowa
>


	Why don't you folks in UI post your letter and names?  Why not give your
opinions and details of the story?  I personally believe that everyone is
a good person.  Nobody will commit vital mistakes unless he/she is forced
to the extrem.  Also, I do NOT think everything is BAD about a BAD person.



JLI

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From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.9NOV199213005415
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <0ezeFpG00YUn52dG0s@andrew.cmu.edu>, yz04+@andrew.cmu.edu (Yuting Zhang) writes...
> 
>Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
>Lines: 7
> 
>>In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>  >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>>  >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>>  >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
> 
>>Hay, are you brain damaged or what, even Bush/Perot congratulated Bill
>>(thoough I am not a big fan of his), what's wrong with IFCSS' move?!
> 
>There are plenty of reasons for Bush/Perot congratulating Bill Clinton,
>There are plenty of reasons for US Republicans congratulating Bill CLinton,
>There are plenty of reasons for Russia and Chinese governments congratulating
>  Bill Clinton
>But there is only ONE reason for IFCSS congratulating Bill!  

Also there is only ONE reason for your objection to that.

>And there are plenty of reasons that IFCSS has to use 50K CSS's.
>

Could you show your sharpness by giving me just THREE reasonable reasons ?

>Want to talk about brain damage?  Someone is surely obsessed.

We'll talk about the brain damage problem after you reply my request above.

Don't be so sure that it is someone else who is obsessed.
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 11:32:11 -0500 
From: Yuting Zhang <yz04+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC


Shame on IFCSS! 

43% of the US voters voted for Clinton.  But only 55% registered to vote
of its eligible voters.  

And we are talking about 50,000 CSS congratulating Bill Clinton.
I wish IFCSS had voted for him ON BEHALF of 50,000 CSS.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: current China situation?
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:13:33 GMT

Since last year, China seemly gets significant gain in economy.  And
from this spring, there was an even bigger change in China.  The
traditional culture of China may be further deteriorated though.

Anybody could kindly post some descriptions from various aspects of
current Chinese situation?  I'm always in somewhat doubt: is China
really in the healthy economical structure and time for her to grow,
or just another overheating leap?

cheers,

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
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From: fang@athena.cs.uga.edu (Yi Fang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:21:35 GMT

From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Mr XXX100 writes:
....

--------

Thanks for answering my questions,
However, I noticed that in scc, some democracy comrades have a different 
tone in their aguments than ordinary people. I've been used of it after
several months of experience in scc. But every time I see it, still give
me some kind of unspeakable feeling.
I hope this is not caused by 'democracy'.

Yi Fang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:21:25 GMT

In article <Bx8460.Cu0@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
> [...]
>
>I was not implying Bill Clinton did the wrong thing in Moscow. But his conduct
>did become an issue in the election even though he was against the evil Vietnam
>War. 
>
>Just imagine what could happen if Bill Clinton ever begged Russian's protection
>claiming possible persecution back home for his anti-war stance.

  Imagine what could happen if Bill Clinton apologized for a ruthless
  government.

>There is no excuse for you to hurt your country. This is universal.

  So you have an excuse to apologize for a ruthless government.

>Do not be a dodger.    Face the shame.

  Will face all your phony-baloney accusations.

-ping
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  History of Famous Generals
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:15:58 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <9210097213.AA72135@ccmail.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:

>          Han2 Xin4 is the one I like.

Han2 Xin4, in some degree like Lin Biao, both military talent, but fool in
politics. Have you noted both of them physically weak and lack of courage?
I am not sure whether there is any correlation between these factors.

>          Second guy is Cao Cao the great strategist, and Ru2 Jiang4.

But Cao Cao is beyong of the subject, I think. Some friends mentioned Li
Guang, but I regarded him as one of the worst generals in history. I would
suggest anoth Li to replace him, Li Mu of Zhao.


--
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:54:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <73916@hydra.gatech.EDU> ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI) writes:
#In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
#  >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
#  >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
#  >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
#
#Hay, are you brain damaged or what, even Bush/Perot congratulated Bill
#(thoough I am not a big fan of his), what's wrong with IFCSS' move?!

I guess somebody mixed the "support" (or vote for) with "congratulate".
I think they differs a lot.

Y.Duan
PS: "brain damaged" is little bit harsh.
From: gong@cs.uq.oz.au (Ming Gong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:33:43 GMT
Reply-To: gong@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:

>Shame on you, godless Chinese!

>When you do NOT have God in your heart,

>	you think blah blah your God;

   It is better than thinking Juses Christ your God, who was a lier.
   He called himself the son of the God, but he was a man with some
   special abilities which were interpreted by himself as power 
   authorited by God. This is the biggest lie in the history, today
   many people show the same abilities, like masters of Qi Gong (sort
   of martial art). 

   One more proof is that God creating mankind is nonsense. The Bible
   said that God created a man modeling himself. So God has all the 
   organs a man has, but what his organs for, fucking air?

   IF THERE WERE A GOD, HE SHOULD HAVE NO FORM!

>Shame on you, godless Chinese!

   Sorry for you, who are taken in!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 16:08:43 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1992Nov9.123054.27752@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>I disagree that the Chinese students in the US have been stereotyped
>as all potential "terrorists". The American public is so used to these
>types of tragedies that the fact that that time it was a Chinese student is
>largely irrelevant. I think you're being a little paranoid. I bet if you
>did a survey thruout the whole country, more than 80% of Americans would
>be totally ignorant of the entire incident, never mind recall the fact

It is very possible that more than 80% college professors and students
are aware of this incident, and the figure could be a lot higher for the
people who work in physics science area. 

>that the murderer/suicide was from the PRC.

Most of the people were shocked because of the fact that the perpetrator
was from the PRC. I bet the American public paid more attention to this
incident than a normal serial killer one because Lu was supposed to
be a well-behaved, intelligent and hardworking Chinese student from the
Chinese Harvard University -- Beijing University.

Yongfei Yan

>
>Mark
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:33:21 GMT

In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

That's right. Just as there are some Chinese dogs does not necessarily
mean all Chinese are dogs, American (Chinese) government does not 
represents all American (Chinese) people, and there are some shameless
people in the world does not necessarily mean all the people are shamed..



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:47:59 GMT

From article <BxBK29.7As@news.orst.edu>, by wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao):
>>I want to express my gratefulness to the person for his showing off my 
>>personal finger record (see his post entitled "Be honest. Don't be a running
>>...' or below) AND my favorite writing there for my 'plan'! I never expected 
>>......
>>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its 
>>DISTRIBUTION ......
> 
> I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
> ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
> the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
> to look at the file beside operators of the network?

Yes I believe everyone has the right to look at anybody else's finger record 
at his own will (Or else what's it for? anyway).  But that doesn't mean he 
has any right to distribute it publically (especially on this _famous_ news 
		 ^^^^^^^^^^
group without owner's permission, as I previously said.  Good question!
--
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Beer and Wine
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:01:56 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <92313.170447XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I don't know when the beer and wine were
>introduced to China.

Wine: about 100 BC (+-50); beer 1900 AD (+-20); BaiJiu 2100 BC(+-100).

>I am missing BaiJiu.  A taiwan

Me too.

>friend brought a bottle of
>Jin1Meng2Gao1Liang2.  It tastes
>just  wonderful, not secend to 5Liang2Ye4.

Are you sure? Tell me where and when you drank 5LY.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:36:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.181150.17104@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> liu@igor.ecs.umass.edu (thunder) writes:
>Below is quoted from CND Global today:
>
>.CND: What's your opinion on Toycott?
>.
>.Shen: I very much support Toycott. In principle, if there only exists
>.Toycott, it certainly is not consistent with our principle in maintaining
>.economic tie and keeping door open to China. But from the entire political
>.point of view, it's coordinated with MFN. Because even if Toycott succeeds,
>.its direct damage to Chinese economy is not great, because it's only the
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>.sixth in export.  Most importantly it's one thing that American people can
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>.do personally, to let them not to forget June 4th, not to forget China,
>.whereas MFN status can only play a role politically.  Furthermore in last
>.three years Bush vetoed all the conditional MFN bills.  So you have to see
>.these two things together.
>
>So you don't give a damn shit to the well beings of those diligent 
>Chinese workers who are making this "sixth" export possible. And yet,
>here in the U.S., you are crying hard about YOUR freedom, YOUR democracy,
>YOUR individuality!
>
>You made my day (not Clinton) today!
>
>what a day

After I read the messages about Shen Tong's trip, his activities and
ideas, I have understood the meaning of "political prostitute".  I
frimly believe that a dog always serves its master and American's pets
always serve Americans. 

Having lived in Australia for more than four years, I have never seen
any Australian politician to ever complaint too many Australian's
products being sold to other countries and I have never seen any person
from Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, India, Thailand or any western
country etc., ever try to make these kind of trouble to the economic development
of his country or region.  But the dear D-fighters have tried these.  The
behavours of some D-fighters are really dirty.  It is better to say
they are Dirty-fighters.  


J Su
From: yz04+@andrew.cmu.edu (Yuting Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:48:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0ezeFpG00YUn52dG0s
Organization: Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>  >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>  >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>  >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

>Hay, are you brain damaged or what, even Bush/Perot congratulated Bill
>(thoough I am not a big fan of his), what's wrong with IFCSS' move?!

There are plenty of reasons for Bush/Perot congratulating Bill Clinton,
There are plenty of reasons for US Republicans congratulating Bill CLinton,
There are plenty of reasons for Russia and Chinese governments congratulating
  Bill Clinton
But there is only ONE reason for IFCSS congratulating Bill!  
And there are plenty of reasons that IFCSS has to use 50K CSS's.

Want to talk about brain damage?  Someone is surely obsessed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: a joke about Clinton elected
Keywords: hint: Janifer Flowers. 
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:30:35 GMT

"Why did you compaign so hard?" one asked President elect Clinton.
"I like to try more flowers in Rose Garden!" He answered.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:16:41 GMT

In article <Bx9wEt.Hwo@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>	Mr. Hu Ping, now a famous d-fighter in NYC, won the election,
>based mainly on his now-famous essay "On the Freedom of Speach".
>Wang Juntao and Zhang Wei, then President of Beida Student government
>had a run-off for the second seat, but neither of them achieved
>majority hence the second seat was unfilled.  Hu Ping was the sole
>winner.  Wang played a radical role, denoucing Culture Revolution
>and Mao, which proved to be too far ahead of time and costed his
>chance.  But he ended up as one of the most respected candidates.
>(Two other candidates in that election are now also in China Spring:
>Ding Chu (Fan Zhiyuan) and Yu Dahai).

Very interesting story. Well, we have to look at the fate of all
these famous candidates. Hu Ping, as all of you know, is in exile,
probably in a refugee status. Wang Juntao is sure in jail. As to
Ding Chu and Yu Dahai, they too, do not have legal status in China.

I guess George Bush would have to prepare in QingCheng Jail if 
he were in China.

In 1957, people were very enthusiastic about the "freedom of speech"
they suddenly got. Hundreds of thousands foolish intellectuals
ended up in suicide, jail. Their career were finished, family
broken, children abused by the society. 

You forgot to mention that following the election of Hu Ping et al,
there had been some political movement too. To mention a few, the
so-called anti-spiritual pollution and anti-liberalization. Not
to say the massacre and massive arrest in 1989.

>	In 1988, another election year, Prof. Li Shuxian, wife of
>the famous Prof. Fan Lizhi, won the same seat Hu Ping held.
>This victory came shortly after Fan was oustered from CCP and
>lost his official post at USTC.

You are certainly not defending the government, are you? Prof. Fang
Lizhi is now in Arizona University with his wife Li Shuxian.

Your story remind me too much. You are a good story teller.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Schedule of Chinese Government Delegation
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 09:42:10 EST
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor


                    Schedule for Chinese Government Delegation
                    Visit at University of Michigan, Ann Arbor


=====================================================================
12:00pm, Nov. 8, Sunday

   Arrive at Ann Arbor. 

12:00pm --- 3:00pm, Nov. 8, Sunday

   Lunch and rest.

3:00pm --- 6:00pm, Nov. 8, Sunday

   Meeting with Chinese Students. 

   Location:        Lee Laccoca Hall
                    G. G. Brown Building
                    North Campus
                    University of Michigan
                    Ann Arbor, Michigan

6:00pm --- 8:00pm, Nov. 8, Sunday

   Dinner

8:00pm --- 11:00pm, Nov. 8, Sunday

   Movie: Qing1(Clean) Liang2(Cool)  Shi4(Temple) 
          de Zhong1(Bell) Sheng1(Sound)

   Location:       Lee Laccoca Hall
                   G. G. Brown Building
                   North Campus
                   Univerisity of Michigan
                   Ann Arbor, Michigan

   The delegation will be Waiting for Chinese 
   Students visit in their hotel.

   Location:        Hampton Inn
                    Green Road near Plymouth Road
                    Ann Arbor, Michigan

=================================================================
          
Morning, Nov. 9, Monday

    Meeting with Vice President of University of Michigan
    and director of International Center. Visit Central Campus
    and North Campus.

Afternoon, Nov. 9, Monday

    Visit Ford Motor Corp. 

Evening, Nov. 9, Monday

    Dinner at UM Chinese Students home.

=================================================================

10:00pm, Nov. 10, Tuesday

    Leave Ann Arbor.

=================================================================


                                           Jian Chen

                                         On behalf of
                                      Chinese Student Union
                                     University of Michigan
From: abc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Any response from CG to Clinton's Election?
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:28:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

AI know, CG would like to see Bush to be re-elected.  Is there any
response from CG to the Clinton's big victory?  I am just wondering,
since I have no People's Daily any, and I do not want to spend a
quater to buy a copy.
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