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From: b_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au (Brian Duke)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Faculty Board Membership
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:21:05 +0900

The management in this place is attempting (it believes it has succeeded)
to remove the right of all full-time academic staff teaching units in a
Faculty to belong to the Faculty Board. They want a restricted membership
mostly of people who hold some kind of office. It is the management
principle that only people with a responsibility for decisions are allowed 
to take them. It is the removal, IMO, of the last remmant of collegiality
and a most retrograde step.

My questions are these. Are the buggers trying to do this in other universities?
Have they succeeded anywhere? What is the best form of attack?
-- 
                  Brian Salter-Duke (Brian Duke)
School of Chemistry and Earth Sciences, Northern Territory University
        GPO Box 40146, Casuarina, NT 0811, Australia.
Phone 089-466702   FAX 089-410460    E-mail B_DUKE@DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:27:13 GMT

suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:
>Exactly, that's why your question (that initiated the whole discussion)
>was silly. 
>I, however, am quite happy to pay less insurance and either live with
>a less than ``perfect'' repair job or even foot the bill myself. That's
>the way I prefer to gamble.

His question was very reasonable, but you unfortunately have missed a vital
point. If _you_ stack someone elses car, their claim is against your
insurance company, and on your just-get-it-on-the-road-I-don't-care-how-it-
looks policy. Why should they have to put up with a bodgey repair job just
because you wanted to gamble and pay a cheaper premium?.

Graham
-- 
Graham Stoney. Ph: +61-2-805-2909.         Totally unrelated message follows:
Since 1900, there are 23 known cases of innocent people being put to death in
the USA; but since the execution ends any effort to investigate possible
misscarriages of justice, the real figure is certainly much higher.
From: mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: What's Green & Yellow
Date: 25 Aug 92 06:20:57 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Information Technology Division, University of Adelaide

In article <chris.714352451@rufus>, chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:
|> Wake up, would ya? Even in 1974, the only person in Australia who
|> believed that our national colours where Blue and Gold was Billy
|> McMahon. They've been Green and Gold for YEARS, well before the
|> (successful) Americas Cup challenge. Time to smell the coffee, Francis.
|> (The only thing introduced by Bond & Co was the (current) boxing
|> kangaroo flag).
|>
Actually the official colours were blue and gold up until the
bicentenary when Bob Hawke got them changed to the defacto colours.
Of course this happened at the most inconvenient, and expensive, time
as the Bicentenary Authority had to change everything that contained
the logo.

|> In terms of flag, I think the best thing to do would be to "Jack off!"
|> and move the federation star to the vertical centre.
|>
Actually we should ask the aboriginal community if we could use their
flag as the nation's flag. It's a whole lot better than all the
suggested new designs that I have seen.

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: Banks Have Never Been My Friends
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:02:24 GMT

Just to end off this thread ...

The August issue of Personal Investment contains its "Bank of the Year"
evaluation in which some 16 banks (no building societies or credit unions)
are compared for a dozen or so different account types, e.g. savings,
business cheque, fixed-rate mortgage, etc and also for some other issues
like extent of access etc.

It's worth a look if you are thinking of changing your bank.

However, I would suggest you study the tables of data provided rather than
use the rankings that are derived from them as you might not agree with the
points scheme used to assess the bank products. For example, a bank paying
low interest on savings might get a better rating as a savings account
because it offers a lot more facilities like bill paying. Obviously, you
might not need these extra facilities and prefer the higher-interest but
lower-scoring account.

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:09:49 GMT

In <miw.714957520@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

>brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>>So what's the problem with AAMI?

>AAMI repairers are AAMI repairers because they agree to use secondhand
>parts, which they buy from the AAMI wrecking yards. Being good repairers
>has nothing to do with it. Some people I know have had very shonky jobs
>done.

>One colleague of mine had a hail damage claim on his car. AAMI would
>only pay for the paint job to be repaired on the top half of the car,
>although it was a type of paint where you can't match the paint. The car
>now looks *awful*.

Another problem with AAMI is they spend so much money advertising,
and yet won't insure anyone they consider to be in the Western Suburbs.
And that ad of theirs, where a guy runs into a letterbox because he
wasn't watching the road, or what he was doing - how can you say that
wasn't his fault? In circumstances like that he should lose some 
no-claim bonus - all you're dong otherwise is encouraging people to
be irresponsible.

Which brings to my mind one of the whole problems with insurance
companies. You pay a premium to ensure your car gets repaired if
someone else runs into it. Why should you have to accept anything
less that how the car was before the accident?

Given that I intend keeping my cars indefinately and so may be more
interested in long term solidity, I resented it very much when I 
got an NRMA assessor to look at repairing the rear end of one of
my minis a few years ago, as he cut the price I had been quoted 
from a good repairer to a point where I had to get (as I later found)
a much inferior job done.

My point is that my car didn't have plastic bodyfiller in before the
accident, why the hell should I expect it to have it in after the
accident? From now on I can choose my insurer, and will only choose
those that do work I consider good enough.


egards,
-- 
thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd
 The best way to make a Japanese engineer wince|ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Gareth Davies)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 24 Aug 92 06:41:00 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <miw.714629803@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:
>anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
>
>>I was wondering if anyone has a particular bad experience with
>>car insurance companies ?  My insurance brokers want me to change

[...lots gone...]

>I am with GIO at the moment, and have fully tested the claims department
>this year, both for accident and theft. They gave me no trouble with the
>assessment, allowed me to choose my own repairer, and have been
>generally nice to me.

Important point here is the "allowed me to choose my own repairer". Some
insurance companies take `your' car to `their' favourite repairer who generally
does a shithouse job. Also `their' favourite repairer usually repairs *not*
replaces broken parts (plastic bumpers, etc...). 

Believe it or not, the best people to talk to are panel beaters as they
usually get shafted by insurance companies as well...

Gareth.

[...lots more gone...]


-- 

gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:20:24 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Aug29.045625.24541@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:

>In article <thos.714974989@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>>someone else runs into it. Why should you have to accept anything
>>less that how the car was before the accident?

>Because you are trying to provide the protection cover that suits
>you in terms of a gamble. It is a perfectly valid strategy to pay less
>with the expectation of bear{ng more of the ``cost'' should an accident occur.

It aint my gamble. The insurance company takes money from me every
year, and gambles that they will take more money in premiums than
they will have to pay in defending the policy. Quality of repair is
not (or should not be) part of that process as the premiums we pay
are designed to get our car repaired.

And you ignored my basic point. If the accident is not your fault,
why the hell should you be disadvantaged in any way from it? Sure
accidents happen, but that is why you take out insurance.

>If you want ``new replacement'' then you pay for it, if you just want a 
>``patch up to keep it on the road'' then you (should) pay less insurance.

No you don't. To the best of my knowledge (which is admittedly, sketchy
on this point) there are no policies that will reduce your premium if 
you allow plastic filler rather than lead-loading etc. I have no problem
with 2nd hand parts like lights etc. as long as they're in good condition
(indeed, on my car(s) it's hard to get new lights etc.)  I do object to
plastic filler where there was none and so on.

>If you expected the former but paid on a policy that gives the latter then
>it is your fault not that of the insurance company.

Nope, it's not my fault, as the accident wasn't my fault either,because
he ran into me. Therefore my claim was against his insurance company
(which happened to be the same one) and  the assessor knocked a couple 
of hundred dollars off the quote.

In any case, I comprehensively insure with a company I can trust to allow
me to do the job I want done.

>d.s.
-- 
thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd
 The best way to make a Japanese engineer wince|ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:18:40 GMT

brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>So what's the problem with AAMI?

This highlights the problem with choosing insurers. Everybody sees a
different side of their insurer -it's like the 6 blind men and the
elephant.

I have heard a lot of complaints about AAMI here, precisely *because*
they *dictate* the repairer to you. RACQ will give you a list of
*recommended* repairers, but you can still choose your own.

AAMI repairers are AAMI repairers because they agree to use secondhand
parts, which they buy from the AAMI wrecking yards. Being good repairers
has nothing to do with it. Some people I know have had very shonky jobs
done.

One colleague of mine had a hail damage claim on his car. AAMI would
only pay for the paint job to be repaired on the top half of the car,
although it was a type of paint where you can't match the paint. The car
now looks *awful*.

As with everything, your milage may vary.

cheers,


--
Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.edu.au
+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.  -- Seneca
From: suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:56:25 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Monash University

In article <thos.714974989@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>someone else runs into it. Why should you have to accept anything
>less that how the car was before the accident?
Because you are trying to provide the protection cover that suits
you in terms of a gamble. It is a perfectly valid strategy to pay less
with the expectation of bear{ng more of the ``cost'' should an accident occur.
If you want ``new replacement'' then you pay for it, if you just want a 
``patch up to keep it on the road'' then you (should) pay less insurance.
If you expected the former but paid on a policy that gives the latter then
it is your fault not that of the insurance company.
d.s.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date:  3 Sep 92 02:06:01 GMT

In <1992Sep2.082516.8167@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> suter@fawlty3.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:

>In article <BtxD9E.2vG@research.canon.oz.au> greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) writes:
>>suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:
>>>I, however, am quite happy to pay less insurance and either live with
>>>a less than ``perfect'' repair job or even foot the bill myself. That's
>>>the way I prefer to gamble.
>>
>>His question was very reasonable, but you unfortunately have missed a vital
>>point. If _you_ stack someone elses car, their claim is against your
>>insurance company, and on your just-get-it-on-the-road-I-don't-care-how-it-
>>looks policy. Why should they have to put up with a bodgey repair job just
>>because you wanted to gamble and pay a cheaper premium?.

>In exactly the same way that he is forced to gamble that I have any
>insurance at all. i.e., he should comprehensively insure his
>and force his insurance company to repair (to his satisfaction)
>while recouping the money as best they can. 
>I did not miss any point, I believe, vital or otherwise.

My point was, and remains, why the hell should I have to put up with
what I regard as unsatisfactory repairs because YOU choose to pay less
premium? Even if my car is insured TPPD only, you or your insurance
company should make sufficient reparations that I am not put out by
your accident. Why should I be forced into "recouping the money as
best...[I]...can"?

What you appear to want here is to force others into your low expectations
of repair to make things cheaper for yourself. Forcing others to sue you
or your insurers for redress seems a pretty lax moral position.

>d.s.
-- 
thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd
 The best way to make a Japanese engineer wince|ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
From: t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (SRA)
Newsgroups: xx.general,rmit.general,aus.general,rmit.news,xx.test,cs.test
Subject: SRA IS ON THE AIR!
Summary: SRA rules the world...
Keywords: Radio fun games  but maybe not for the whole family! :-)
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:47:09 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.



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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Harbour Tunnel opening
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:20:36 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

In article <6310@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>So, this probably means that people who want to be the first to drive through
>the Harbour Tunnel are going to have to circle the harbour for six hours and
>hope to be lucky :-)

Damn.

Its probably just as well.  I'd probably take the wrong turn anyway
and embarrass myself.  I still haven't worked out which exit I should
use on the new Gore Hill freeway.

>And no, I won't be one of them.  I'll be sleeping.

In the tunnel?  You are keen aren't you.


Bob V!
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From: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Francis Vaughan)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: What's Green & Yellow
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:36:23 GMT
Reply-To: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au
Distribution: aus
Organization: Adelaide Univerity, Computer Science

In article <9222617.29778@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, jah@cs.mu.OZ.AU (James Harland) writes:
|> 
|> In article <eln235s.713679182@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui) writes:
|> > It's common for the Australian sports team to have their uniforms
|> > designed in green and yellow. Does that symbolize anything like good and
|> > grass-field?
|> 
|> 	The colors of the wattle, the national emblem, are green and gold.

I think the follow up answer is  ... sort of.

Up until recently the official colours were not green and gold but blue
and gold. Green was an option.  The sudden change around seemed to
occur when Alan Bond and syndicate used the green and gold so
promenantly on the Americas Cup challenge.  Certainly it was about then
that a real identity with the green and gold came about.  It seems to
now be taken as gospel that this is what the colours are.

Of course we need to ask why Bond and Co. opted for the altenative
scheme.

It is a pity, blue and gold looks a lot better.  We are also in
competion with others for a use of green and gold.

All this meesing about with a new flag is doomed if people insist that
the flag use the recently adopted colours.  A green flag against
the sky looks hellish.  One reason everyone likes the current flag is
simply that is does look reasonably good.  Any new design has an uphill
battle on esthetics alone, especially if they use green.


						Francis Vaughan
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au (Neal Gowen)
Subject: Re: Sydney Ride .. A show of interest please ..
Organization: RSBS ANU
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:16:09 GMT

In article <BtIz71.LzA@quark.ansto.gov.au>, jef@quark.ansto.gov.au (J. E. Fearon) writes:
> 
> Well fellow motorcyclists .. I would like to propose a ride in the sydney
> area .. probably (if I am to organise it) down woolongong way.. A tentative
> description follows ..
> 
> 	Also if it is on a Sat any one travelling a long way are welcome to
> crash at my place in Sutherland for the night (could venture out to the pub on
> Sat night maybe :) and then head home on the Sunday.. I was thinking in the case
> of Neal .. if he was interested :) could ride up on the friday evening and stay
     ^^^^

I assume this is me 8-)

Sounds like a good idea. 
I'm not sure what I'm doing on that weekend yet. 
How about you contact me by email Jason to confirm details.

Neal G.
_________________________________________________________
Neal Gowen (XJ900 and TY250B)   MRA #204 ;  Ulysses #2458
"Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email:  gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
voice:  61 6 249 2942 fax:  61 6 249 2603 
snail:   GPO Box 475 Canberra
__________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au (Neal Gowen)
Subject: Re: Lights in daytime
Organization: RSBS ANU
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:36:30 GMT

In article <ck.714010783@iconix.oz.au>, ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
> 
> I ride with my highbeams on during your average day and flash my highbeams during 
> the night. On foggy days I have my parkers on and flash everybody. At night
> I just use normal headlights. (had a 55/60W globe, put in 80/100W - much better
> on country roads at night.
> 
> I don't think the glare from one motorcycle headlight is that annoying to
> other drivers.

I'm afraid Chris your highbeam during the day WOULD  be annoying.  
A 100W light coming straight at a driver or in their rear mirrors 
would be a major distraction.  Their ability to judge proper depth 
perception may be impared and you could find yourself in a situation
where you have a car entering your safety zone without them realising.

You will certainly incur the wrath of many other motorists,  and we 
just don't need the extra agro.

Neal G.
_________________________________________________________
Neal Gowen (XJ900 and TY250B)   MRA #204 ;  Ulysses #2458
"Grow Old Disgracefully"
Australian National University
email:  gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
voice:  61 6 249 2942 fax:  61 6 249 2603 
snail:   GPO Box 475 Canberra
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From: ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: What? No posts??? :-(
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:04:37 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Department of Architecture, University of Adelaide
Originator: ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au

We get a new newsgroup and it's hardly even touched! :-(
Come on people...WRITE!

Zebee Johnstone's report on a route to take around the Adelaide Hills
and Southern Vales was great. If anyone does get a chance to do some
biking over here, do it!

Does anyone know much about Advanced Rider Safe courses (ie. skills
and training for riding on a track)? I've seen  an article in a Two
Wheels issue about this being run at Eastern Creek. What about here
in South Australia?

Paul.

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