HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Dazza Primm)
Subject: Re: Ending the military band
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:06:07 GMT

brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Dazza Primm) writes:
>>Brent, you puns are almost as bad as mine :-). 
>Better *watch* it, Daz; remember, you're only a short walk away. I'm
>gonna come over there an' GIT you!  :)
Lucky me :-)

>(Actually, if I'm not mistaken, I owe you an Entertainment.  When would
>you like to collect?  :)
That could be taken a different way, to what will actualyl happen :-) We
have to have that Star Trek Night soon (the amount I havent seen, it
will need to be a whole week!)

>--Brent
Daz.

--
  Darren (Dazza) Primm, Dept EE Eng, Melb Uni, Parkville, 3052, Australia
 "What's the point in being grown up, if you can't be childish sometimes!"
   Internet: daz@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au  [dazza@ecr.mu.oz.au]  IRC: Family

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush is a piece of shit.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:03:20 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <dmnyg+h@rpi.edu>, buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) said:
>NEWSWEEK was the
>first place I saw information on how Barbara is really as political as Nancy
>Reagan but how she has managed to remain aloof.
>
>Didn't anynoe notice sjhe wore that red `AIDS'' ribbon during her speech but
>when George and the kids came on to the stage it was gone?
>--
>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''

Your stomach is evidently stronger than mine, Ron, I couldn't
watch more than a minute or two at a stretch of the Republican
Convention.

As to the effectiveness of their "family values" rhetoric, I
believe that even the "religious right" is not fooled. My mother
is a staunch fundamentalist, as is her husband, and when I last
spoke to her, she said that they both believe Bush to be a big
hypocrite. "What has he ever done for the family?" I trust that
a good many other clearer thinking religious people see through  the
hate.
I should note that while my mother was not thrilled with the news
when I came out to her just a few months ago, she has since come
a long way, and sees the gay-bashing by the supposed Christian
religious right, as pure hate. Recognizing her desire for my
happiness gives her a different perspective on the rights of all
gays to lead happy and complete lives.

Gary
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is virginity?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:18:45 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <14893@borg.cs.unc.edu>
harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:

>I like this.  A difference between physical and emotional
>virginity...hmm, it has some intruiging possibilities.

I've not followed the thread closely until now, but this
immediately suggests all sort of interesting elaborations to
me, especially since I've just written and posted a little
piece on love, which *can* but doesn't *have to* relate to
virginity.

>But I would consider myself no longer virgin when I first
>have sex with a man.  Finished.  Done.  No second time about
>it.

I dunno about that.

Virginity is really about first-time-ness, not about
once-only-ness, I think.  If the concept is to be extended
(no naughty thoughts, please) from original straitjacket
at all, might as well keep going.

I can think of all sorts of virginities lost:

- breathing under water
- jumping out of an airplane
- a man coming in my mouth
- getting it in the rear
- seeing a dead body
- having a wire incandesce and melt while I
  was holding it in my bare fingers
- skiing down a real mountain
- having polio
- doing LSD
- sex outdoors in summer
- breaking my neck in a fall
- having a grizzly bear outside my tent at 3:00 a.m.

These are not just things that happened; they are, rather,
first-time things that changed me forever, turning a corner
that could never be turned again.  I think it has more to do
with unrepeatability than with losing innocence.

-- 
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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:58:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.191923.6957@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com 
(Bob Sarver) writes:

>>3.  Then I said that there wasn't a nickel's worth of diff.
>>    between the three of them and the real woman.  That's not a put-down;
>>    it's a statement about attractiveness.

Bob, I know no one but you (and maybe Nelson) will read this, but I wanted you
to know my view of this comment of yours:  you made this remark in a public
forum that men *and women* read, not in private e-mail.  Remarks like this are
construed as misogynistic by this group of readers who have developed some
sensibility of what others consider insulting.  Yes, there's a fine line, but
most of us try not to cross it in delivering insults; we try instead to call a
spade a spade without using terms that could be interpreted as derogatory of
innocent bystanders.  I know it's tough to do, but why don't you just admit
that your comparison was inappropriate *in this PUBLIC forum*?  You can say
whatever you want in e-mail without fear of insulting anyone else not involved
in your debate, but you blew it here.  I don't have any problem with the fact
that you prefer men over women, but I don't enjoy reading your attempt to
bring all women down along with the three men with whom you're arguing.  Pick
on someone your own size.

Katie
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:27:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep1.042746.12576
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <65039@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Perhaps something other than dim sum could be arranged, so as not
>to impinge too deeply on Brian's "turf."  ;-) 

The fact that you despise Chinese food has nothing to do with it, George, eh?

I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia [BUSH's Convention Speechwriterc is a FAG!]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:13:20 GMT

Ugh! The latest EXTREME case of homohomophobia [as GENRE cutely coined the 
term last year] I have seen recently is the revelation by _QW_ that the author
of Bush's convention speech, [Phillip/Roger Nobile (sp?)], is gay!

This was mentioned in the _Village Voice_ by Doug Ireland (whoi writes _Press
Clips_, and who I apotheosise!) and hasn't been picked up in any mainstream
rags yet.

Letters to the Editor, anyone?


-- 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``No exam-cheating, pot-smoking, draft-dodging, privileged youth Vice-President
in a "Bush The Blamer" administration can speak with moral authority about
abandoned moral values and assuming personal responsibility.''--Jesse Jackson
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: On accuracy and anderson
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 20:56:36 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon):
> Mr. Anderson, in fact, contributed nearly forty more articles than
> the runner up - *MADEMOISELLE* (sp? My French and Miss Piggy's are
> related) Adolphson, chez WH.  That is roughly twenty percent more
> than zee runner up, herself an avid contributor.

look wes, feminine pronouns.  damn, there goes another role
model for ya...
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: READ THIS >>Protest March<< (Re: Does History Repeat Itself?)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:56:42 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug23.170627.11722@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>foster@convex.com (Harry Foster) writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting thought from the book: "The Destruction of the
>>European Jews" by Raul Hilber:
[stuff deleted]
>
>`	It is as the Buchanan-thing said, a war.
>
>	It's about time we started treating it as such.

There is one option open which might for once get press coverage because
the republicans have forced the issue.

How many people could we get in Washington before the elections if everyone
on soc.motss tried to bring there friends and sent press releases to all
gay newspapers, etc.?

I suspect you could even get quite a few open minded straight people
to come as well. 

So who would go to a "march against hate 1992" ?

Does any one here have experience with organizing marchs? What kind of
permits etc are needed? Does this involve large sums of money? Do people
here have press contacts that could be used to make sure such a march
gets covered?

So what do people think? 

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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:21:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Aug28.202150.13394@PacBell.COM> <vanyel.715034438@camelot>
  <1992Aug29.210253.8676@spdcc.com> <1992Aug29.214119.871@tc.cornell.edu>

>First, I certainly wouldn't dignify Boob by addressing him
                                     ^^^^
>as "Mr" (except possibly "Mr Butch, sir").

>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

This is *really* getting tired, Melinda.  Even Jess has dropped the
"Stupid Name Tricks".  Won't you please do the same?

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:43:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <vanyel.715034438@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan 
Williams) writes:
>In <1992Aug28.202150.13394@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) 
>writes:
>>Let me get this...uh...straight:  Bob and Alan and Matthew
>>would have us all act like "normal" gays in the dubious belief
>>that this might give clueless straights a better image of
>>homosexuals and make it easier for "normal" gays to emerge
>>from their closets.  When some of us respond in our glorious
>>diversity that we have other priorities, like maybe realizing
>>our full-individual-human-potential-unfettered-by-the-strait-
>>jacket-of-irrelevant-gender-roles-and-expectations, and if
>>those guys had half a clue between them they'd realize that
>>those same clueless straights will hate them just as viciously
>>whether they're in three-piece gray flannel or a fucking tutu,
>>but thanks all the same...
>
>Let me see if I understand this: I suggest that maybe Bob has a point, and
>I state something about my *personal* likes and dislikes about something to
>do with *behaviorisms*, get flamed for it, and I'm supposed to smile
>sweetly and walk away saying, "Gosh, how silly of me"?

You said, through a rhetorical device, that Rod et al. are guilty of group-
think because they agree with each other and not with you. 

>And you think *I* don't have a clue?  Puh-*leeze*.

Maybe you have a clue, but you don't seem to be using it. 

>I don't think *anyone* should be the target of mindless discrimination.
>Period.  I also don't think morons like you have a clue as to how to
>*really* defuse that discrimination, other than to point fingers and cast
>half-truths about others to show the world how *baaaad* they are.

If you think that mindless discrimination is wrong, integrate that belief
into what you write instead of leaving it lost and alone, unbefriended by
anything else you say.

>Try reading *all* my posts.  You might learn something.

I doubt it.  And not because he's not capable of learning from good
examples.

-- 

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From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:18:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep3.161855.3238
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep3.103424.851@ifi.unizh.ch> kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.054747.13386@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>>I mention only in passing how delighted I was to find
>>[on 2 out of 3 flights] that beards among the [yes,
>>male] flight attendants [who were there mainly for my
>>safety, but deigned to serve complimentary beverages]
>>are apparently in fashion.  One, I might add, was a
>>certifiable bear of mature stature.
>
>And I always thought Delta was a good airline. In fact, I still think
>they are, but on my many flights of my trip to the States there were
>very, very few male flight attendants. And none of the two or three I
>had seen i found even remotely interesting to look at. (Well, there
>were a few attractive pilots, however.)
>
>Now which airline is better than Delta? (You know, they love to fly
>and it shows. But that seems to be it.)
>

Delta Airlines prohibits its employees from having beards.  A friend of mine,
in Atlanta, is a graphic designer for Delta, and even *he* isn't allowed to
have a beard... and he's absolutely gorgeous with a beard.        
 
Well, who isn't?  <ahem>
 
[] Urso


-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth)(was Re: new queer terminolog
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:01:08 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <71486@apple.Apple.COM>,
mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> We're going to bury you.

What an unpleasant remark.

--John
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:32:53 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) wrote:
>	I've always said that we should just quietly move into a
>couple states, take over, run everyone else out, and then start
>flexing some electoral muscle.  Florida would seem to be the ideal
>place,

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!  The more the better.

>since most of the demolishing has already been done (after all,
>some of us are geniuses at gentrification and remodeling).

Remodelling is a little understated.  Actually, we've already taken
over all the nice places here, which were mostly undamaged.  Please
visit or move here anytime you like.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: more kind words of compassion from an evangalist...
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:02:06 GMT

kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:


>Taken from "The Globe And Mail" newspaper, Toronto, Wednesday, August 26, 1992

>...WORD WATCH
>  ...Feminism: is described in a fund-raising letter by U.S. evangelist
>               Pat Robertson as "a socialist, anti-family political movement
>               that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
>               children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
>               become lesbians."
Argh!!!!! These people REALLY piss me off. And since no-one uses dictionaries
anymore this is the kind of definition people will ascribe to feminism
instead of one even remotely close to reality.
-- 
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Barbara Bush: a chronologically gifted, differently interesting, domestic
incarceration surviving member of the mutant albino genetic-recessive global
minority.-- _QW_'s ``politically correct'' description of the First Lady.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:22:50 GMT

In article <vanyel.715396480@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>I don't like "nelly" behavior.  Period.  I've received nothing on here to
>suggest that I *should*--only flames for not thinking like *you*.  

Oh piffle, poophead.  If it were a simple matter of
dislike, you wouldn't feel compelled to share it with
80,000 people.  Why you think that your likes and dislikes
should be interesting to any of us eludes me completely;
either you think it's *really*, *really* *important* that
all of us know that you, Alan Williams, don't like nelly
queens, or you think this fascinating tidbit has broader,
more general implications.
-- 
"I would promptly inform any homosexual who would dare to proposition
me that my preference is fisting."  -- Theodore A. Kaldis

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:14:45 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep2.205636.2124@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <2aa4f041@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
> Fisher) writes:
> >They therefore spell them *all* "-ize",
> >with the following exceptions, which *don't* come from
> >"-izein":
> >   advertise   advise  apprise  chastise   circumcise
> >   comprise    compromise   demise   despise  devise
> >   disfranchise  enfranchise  enterprise  excise  exercise
> >   improvise  incise  premise  revise  supervise  surmise
> >   surprise  televise

Is that a complete list?  I didn't realise there were so many.
I promise to practise spelling them consistently.

> >Lots of British and American people will tell you that
> >using z for all of them is an American-only usage
> ...
> News to me.  I spell all those -ise, always have.

I'm sure John didn't mean to imply that the above *exceptions*
were ever spelt with an -ize.
I think he meant "using z for all the rest of the -ise/-ize words".

According to an official New Zealand document
(from the Government Printing Office?),
read to one of my school classes in about 1970,
the NZ line was that both -ise and -ize were acceptable,
but -ise was preferred.

(This same document stipulated that
in abbreviations, a dot was necessary
only if the last letter of the abbreviation
was not the last letter of the full version.
Thus, St (for Saint) didn't need a dot,
but st. (for stone, the unit of weight) did.
I never found out whether the t in St
corresponded to the first or the second t in Street,
and so I've suffered all these years
not knowing whether to put dots in my addresses or not.)
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*Pooter* n. a petit bourgeois, conventional and unimaginative"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:17:35 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:


>It's looking like the whole Republican National Convention gay bashing
>has come down *firmly* in our favour.

>For one thing, we are finally not being ignored in an election.
>Lesbigay rights is an actual issue this year. Clinton said it in his
>speech, and the media reported it. Pat Buchanan claimed he was about
>to wage a "holy war", and the media reported it. Various Republicans
>babbled about "family values", and the media explained to the American
>masses that this meant "against gays and lesbians".

>And the best part? Indications are that the anti-queer and anti-choice
>stances of the Republicans has cost them votes. Aren't they backing
>off of that now and complaigning about congress instead? We're
>winning!

Also, the demos report that they raised $16 million in August, a single
month record. They credit this to the Republican National
Convention. Melissa Moss, the Democratic National Committee finance
director said, "I think the whole tone of their convention offended
a lot of people, scared a lot of people, and they are registering
their concern by writing checks to us."



-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
   Ken Richards        |                | It's tragic that families can be 
 Logic Modeling Corp   |  kenr@lmc.com  | torn apart by something as simple
                       |                | as wild dogs.
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From: Z57N000 <Z57N@UNB.CA>
Subject: Accidental Crossposting (Subject/Survey)
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:20:38 GMT

I picked up the Subject and Survey threads from alt.pagan and meant to
reply in kind. I have not a clue how to edit the posting line and
therefore the threads were crossposted to several other groups,
including soc.motss (which I don't read).  My apologies; I usually don't
post to more than one newsgroup.

Darella Pierson, nee Beverley White

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Shakers
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:41:10 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>[...]The other time I frequently shake is when I am about to have a truly
>tremendous orgasm. Not a normal orgasm, but one of those really deep
>and powerful ones. I start to strain, all the muscles from my stomach
>to my thighs, pulling and pushing and all that tension and then I
>lunge forward and I start to shake, heavily. It is a wonderful
>sensation.

*OH*MY*GOD* Excuse me for a few minutes... I'll be right back.

*Whew* Nelson, your post have always been, um... entertaining.

jeff - who's *still* breathing hard.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence C Foard)
Subject: Re: Quayles meet Usenet (was Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.220042.745@calmasd.prime.com> jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug28.122722.112605@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> 
>>  sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
>>>At Lehigh U., where Dan Quayle's firstborn, Tucker, arrived yesterday 
>
>Wasn't Tucker on the gay names list?  If not, it should be.

If he is then someone should tell him about soc.motss :-)
Of course I doubt he would want to demuffin with his parents paying for his
college....



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