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From: andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: pcomm (was Re: 3.5 vs 3.51x)
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:10:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Nov13.153100.14084@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
>In <1992Nov12.144302.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
>	writes:
>
>> ...does anyone know the latest version of pcomm?  The version on osu is
>> 1.2.10.
>> thanks in advance
>>  							-John
>
>Well, here's a recent exchange with the author of pcomm that explains
>the situation:
>
>> Can you tell me how I can get the latest version of pcomm and a full
>> set of patches?
>
>	Out of desparation, I put the files in a /tmp/pcomm directory
>	on ftp.uu.net.  As you probably know, things don't stay there
>	very long (so I have to keep putting them back on a regular
>	basis).

I have a copy of the 10 shar files and 2 patch files that make up
version pcomm 2.0.2, which, I believe is current.  I've put a tar
file of these sources on
	ftp.cs.caltech.edu:pub/3b1/tmp/pcomm-src.tar.Z
I'll keep this here for a while anyway.  It should stick around
until the end of the year.

From the Readme.7300 file:
	1) This version of Pcomm *REQUIRES* the pseudo-tty and socket
	emulation library called "uipc" found on osu-cis.
This isn't actually strictly true -- I use pcomm with the loadable
driver that came with mgr.  What pcomm really needs is select().  In
any event, since the binary I made for myself is "non-standard", I
won't include it the archive.

Also new to the archive is gcc 2.3.1.  This differs from the 2.2.2
binary distribution in that collect.shar is now part of the tar file.
You really should make and install collect (as ld).  Otherwise using
the -shlib option to gcc will cause problems.  It handles C++ as well.
The file collect.shar.Z is now found on its own in the subdirectory
gcc2-objects.
	ftp.cs.caltech.edu:pub/3b1/gcc2-bin.tar.Z

For a while, I've put the binaries for the cross compiler in the
archive as well.  They were made on a Sparc IPX running SunOS 4.1.2,
and may not work on any system but my own.  If you want to try, get
	ftp.cs.caltech.edu:pub/3b1/tmp/gcc-sparc-crosscompiler.tar.Z
Again, this is a temporary addition to the archive.  It too will go
away, probably, again, at the end of the year.

Andy Fyfe					andy@cs.caltech.edu
From: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: 3b1 binary editor
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:28:18 GMT
Organization: LaSalle University, Philadelphia, PA

I'm sorry that this is not 3b1 specific (but it's for a 3b1 ;-), but what
is a good binary editor to use?  I only know of hexpert.  Email please.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jeffrey@squid.tram.com (Jeffrey L. Bromberger)
Subject: 3B1 Ethernet cards for sale
Summary: got too many - time to liquidate.
Reply-To: jeffrey@squid.tram.com (Jeffrey L. Bromberger)
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:56:30 GMT

I have decided that it's silly to hoard 3B1 stuff for a disaster.
Therefore, I am selling off my spare Ethernet cards.  They are "almost
new" - I used 'em once in diagnostics to make sure that they worked.
I'm asking $200 per card.  I think I have one spare set of
docs/software.  If you need it, let me know.

j
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: timborn@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (timothy.d.born)
Subject: 3b1 tape drive for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:30:49 GMT
Keywords: it works fine

3b1 23 MB tape drive, controller board, software and a copy of the manual
for sale.  It works fine.  $450 + shipping o.b.o.

-tim

t.born@att.com
From: kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:11:35 GMT
Organization: Project Quantum Gweep
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <93114@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com writes:
>In article 13432@news.acns.nwu.edu, richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter writes:
>
>The 3b1 has no job control.  You cannot suspend a job.  That's why jobs and fg
>do not seem to work.  They are not available.
>

Which is *intensely* annoying.

>You cannot suspend emacs.  I suspect that what emacs is doing is actually starting
>up a subshell, (it just looks like it has been suspended).  To get back to emacs,
>you need to finish your compile, and then kill the subshell (using ^D).  Emacs
>will come back.

Yep, I can back this up...I've done it a lot.

>
>As to the ^C not working, it appears that you need to use stty.  It lets you
>set up various terminal settings.  I think what you need is  'stty intr ^C'.
>You can also use it to change the backspace key from Delete to ^H (or anything
>else that you prefer),  using 'stty erase ^H'.

Hey, thanks.  Didn't know this bit.

>
>Welcome to the fun world of System V.  You've obviously been using BSD too long. :-)
>

So, has anyone ported BSD to the 3b1 yet?  Bout time we got some *real* Unix on
these stunningly neat machines... :-)

(as I duck the flames from all the people who say AT&T Unix is Real Unix, and
technically, they're right...)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: 3.5 vs 3.51x
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:43:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Just curious.

What are the advantages of system V 3.51x over 3.5??  I know that 3.51x
contains many bug fixes, etc.  I'm just wondering what some of hte larger bugs
are and who they affect me/my machine.  (I'm running 3.5)

Also, does anyone know the latest version of pcomm?  The version on osu is
1.2.10.  
thanks in advance
 							-John
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From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 25431@news.acns.nwu.edu, richter@birkhoff.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter writes:
> Thanks to everyone who explained that when I suspend-emacs, I'm
> creating a new shell, which I reverts back to emacs with C-d.  That's
> a big help.  One extra question.  I prefer to use a tcsh, but the
> subshell the emacs creates is always a csh.  Any way to fix that?

Try setting the environment variable SHELL to the shell of your choice.
That works on some other programs, it may work for emacs.
I did not know that csh or tcsh ran on a 3b1?  How long have these been
available?  (Not that I would ever in my life wish to subject myself
to the csh. :-)
 
> Also, is there any way to write to a floppy without going through the
> user agent?  I hate to lose my big screen and have to run emacs in
> some tiny window.

Just do the cpio or tar command and direct it to /dev/rfp021 (the floppy).
That's all that the user agent does.  It builds that command and then executes
it.  (Hopefully someone will clue me in if I just told you the wrong thing,
I'm at work and not sitting at my 3b1.;-(

Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org
From: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:05:52 GMT
Reply-To: tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article 8yu@chinet.chi.il.us, les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell writes:
> In article <93114@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com writes:
> >The 3b1 has no job control.  You cannot suspend a job.  That's why jobs and fg
> >do not seem to work.  They are not available.
> 
> My 3b1 has been dead for a while, but as I recall the <suspd> key will
> take you back to the window manager where you can open another full
> screen unix session to do whatever you want - then later you can go
> back to your previous session (through the window manger again).
> It's not quite the same concept as job control but it serves the
> purpose nicely.

Good point.  You can also put into the inittab file more than one login window.
I currently have three login windows.  The shift-<suspd> key takes you from one
window to the next. It works rather nicely.  (I do not use the window manager
anymore.)

Another solution is to get windy.  It will let you create new shell window to
your hearts content, (up to the limit of the machine).  Again you can use
shift-<suspd> to bounce from one shell window to the next. 

The only problem with this is that you still cannot suspend jobs.  You can run
several programs, each in its own window, allowing you to do several things at
once.  But occasionally I find that I would really like to suspend that compile
which is using up all of the CPU so that some other little task will run faster.
I would like to stop one job temporarily, but can't.

I may not be able to have everything, but that's never kept me from wanting it.

Tom Tkacik
GM Research Labs
tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: Drivers?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:36:48 GMT

I have listed all the device drivers in my /dev  directory and I
was wondering if there was anywhere I could find out what each driver
is for.  I was wondering what the different drivers controlled, and what
the fp and rfp drivers did.  I know that some of the fp drivers controll
the floppy drive.  Any information on where to look would be great!


Also, I am considering having my motherboard upgraded with the P5.1 upgrade,
and upgrading to support multiple hard drives.  I am in college and I do not
have the time, and I am a little timid about taking a soldering iron to my
motherboard.  I would also like to add an external 3 1/2" drive.  I was
wondering if anyone would quote me a price on any one of these upgrades.
I think I can manage the floppy upgrade, but I would like to know a price
anyway.  Also, which 3 1/2" drives work with the upgrade?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: pcg2@ra.msstate.edu (Patrick C Greer)
Subject: Mounting a Floppy drive
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:27:30 GMT

I was trying to manually copy a cople of files to a disk in the default
drive in my 3b1.  The problem is that I can't seem to make a file system
on the disk, or mount it.  I am not sure which drivers to use for the
floppy.  If someone could mail me an let me know exactly what to do I
would appriciate it.  My root directory already has these directories

/mnt
/mnta
/mntb

They don't seem to be mounted to anything.  Is this a default?

				Thanks,
				Chris

Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: tfoley@r-node.gts.org (Tim Foley)
Subject: General Help Needed!
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:41:13 GMT

 
  Ok guys, I just got my 3B1 back up and running, and managed to get a
few interesting toys as well.
  One of them is called a DOS-73 board...what I neat little toy, now my
3B1 can do Lotus!   Cute...
  I also got a Tape board, but I have no tape drive yet.
 
	1) Anyone know if you upgrade the Dos partitions in the DOS-73
	   virtual partitions?
 
	2) What is the port on the back of the Dos-73 board for ?
 

  Also I was going to replace my harddrive with one from another 3B1, but
I noticed a strange thing....my 3B1 is a half-height HD and the one I got
is a full height...they made two sizes of 3B1 cases?!?  Annoying.
 
	3) Could someone E-Mail me the 3B1 Faq, I do not have FTP access.
 
  If anyone wants a copy of the Service or Reference or AT&T training
manual for the 3B1, I have them all.
 
  	4) Could someone PLEASE make a copy of the Development Set for me!
	   I'll mail the disks out to you and enclose a SASE!
  	   This poor thing is nothing but a address book at the moment!
 
	5) I also appear to have a memory board in one of my slots...
	   any idea if it is automatically detected or does it need
	   a driver?
 
 
					Thanks Guys
					  Tim

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Assembley on a 7300
From: Rooh <CXF107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:38:15 EST
Organization: The Dandelion Patch, a division of Milo's Meadow
X-Subliminal-Msg: MVS/TSO and JCL are your best friends, just ask Ken..
X-Subliminal-Msg: I want a SGI and not one of these PC shit thingys!

Hello All,
          I'm having a problem writing assembley on my AT&T 7300.
I'm running SysV 3.5. The program manual is kinda brief but it
does say that I can use a bss segment. The assembler doesn't seem to
like this command. I can use an end command either. When I try to
run even the simplest of programs, it sends the program into some
address in never never land. Do I need to use the org command to
start assembley at a certain place or what? Any info would
cool.

Thanks
Chris CXF107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jbunch@tnl.com (john bunch)
Subject: Term Programs....
Organization: The Northern Lights
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:04:06 GMT

Greetings,

I have been playing on my UnixPC a lot and would like to know of a term
program I can use that is a bit faster then pcomm, and supports calling
sz/rz?  I cant call those from cu, and I am not sure if they can be
called from kermit.  I recall someone sending me mail about being able 
to call them from kermit, but lost his mail address.  I still am having
problems with sending and receiving with zmodem.  Seems to work fine
from the vax I call, but I can not get it to work from the 2 different
unix boxes I call?  Any clues would be greatly appreciated.  Also, any
program that has vt100 em would be nice..  Pcomm is just too slow for
screen output.  Although I havent installed the new one yet, cause I dont
know if I want to go through all the trouble of installing the uipc
package.

John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:18:30 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <93176@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik) writes:
> In article 8yu@chinet.chi.il.us, les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell writes:
>> In article <93114@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com writes:
>> >The 3b1 has no job control.  You cannot suspend a job.  That's why jobs and fg
>> >do not seem to work.  They are not available.
>> 
>> My 3b1 has been dead for a while, but as I recall the <suspd> key will
>> take you back to the window manager where you can open another full
>> screen unix session to do whatever you want - then later you can go
>> back to your previous session (through the window manger again).
>> It's not quite the same concept as job control but it serves the
>> purpose nicely.
> 
> Good point.  You can also put into the inittab file more than one login window.
> I currently have three login windows.  The shift-<suspd> key takes you from one
> window to the next. It works rather nicely.  (I do not use the window manager
> anymore.)

Yet annother suggestion is to get a 'new' wmgr from osu in THE STORE!
(/pub/att7300/STORE/WMGR+IN)  this replacement has a few bugs fixed from the
stock (like the window stuck open I posted las week) and allows for paging
through the windows by just hitting the resume key.  (you can still use susbpen
to get the wmgr menu).  I find this VERY convienient.  Also, ITS INSTALLABLE!!

Tom, you might find this helpful too (it does save a few keystrokes and a
little time).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: spam@iastate.edu (mike begley)
Subject: more problems getting started...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:42:36 GMT

I've been having problems of another sort now.  I downloaded
(using a similar procedure to the one in my previous article)
a couple binary files, TCSH-6.01 and KERMIT-BIN.  I got them
over to the 7300 seemingly intact, set the bits to be executable,
and tried to run them.  I got the error message: Illegal instruction

They both claim to be mc68k executable (shared demand paged)

Late-breaking news:  kermit2-bin (from OSU) doesn't return the
illegal instruction message; it says "memory fault" and dumps core.

arrrg.

-m
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:39:06 GMT

tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com (Tom Tkacik) writes:
[...]
>The only problem with this is that you still cannot suspend jobs.  You
>can run several programs, each in its own window, allowing you to do
>several things at once. But occasionally I find that I would really like
>to suspend that compile which is using up all of the CPU so that some
>other little task will run faster.  I would like to stop one job
>temporarily, but can't.

Well, what about just changing the niceness of the compile, wouldn't that
have a similiar effect?  I realize it would just give the compile process
less process time, and not actually suspend it, but it would allow for you
smaller tasks to run faster.  Seems to have about the same effect,
actually I seem to think it would be better this way, since then the
compile is still running unlike a suspended job.


>I may not be able to have everything, but that's never kept me from
>wanting it.

>Tom Tkacik
>GM Research Labs
>tkacik@hobbes.cs.gmr.com
>tkacik@kyzyl.mi.org

Well, happy computing...

John
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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Unix system V question
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:54:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: chinet.BxJCB9.8yu
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <93114@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> tkacik@hobbes.hobbes.cs.gmr.com writes:
>> I love my 3b1, except for the job control.  I'm used to killing a job
>> with C-c; this doesn't seem to ever work.  Even worse, the commands
>> jobs and fg don't exist.

>The 3b1 has no job control.  You cannot suspend a job.  That's why jobs and fg
>do not seem to work.  They are not available.

My 3b1 has been dead for a while, but as I recall the <suspd> key will
take you back to the window manager where you can open another full
screen unix session to do whatever you want - then later you can go
back to your previous session (through the window manger again).
It's not quite the same concept as job control but it serves the
purpose nicely.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: jwstok01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: window stuck open--
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:39:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Ok, here's an interesting one I hope somone can explain (or at least verify my
theory).  
after logining into the install account of my 7300, I noticed annother install
Office window open (when I'm using UA I usually login as install).  anyway, I
could not close this window. I COULD click on it or choose it from wmgr and
type in it, resize it and move it.  I did a ps, no processes running in it.  
And after a little trial and error, I determined it was /dev/w1 (I used 'cat 
file > /dev/w?' until I found the right device file).   I'm still not sure why
the window was there, it seems that it wasn't closed after my last logout.  
Any thoughts? anyone seen this before?

Anyway, I decided a shutdown/reboot would most likely fix the problem.  Upon 
reboot it made it to 'checking stored files' and the screen went blank and
things started all over.  It made it to the green screen and stopped, the Green
LED toggleing on and off.  I think  (Here's where I'm guessing.  Correct me if 
I'm wrong!)  init? or whatever checks the files found w1 open saw this as bad,
deleted it and rebooted. BUT it needs a window to give the 'stored files are
being checked' message so it locked on the reboot.  What I don't understand if
the above is right, is why it was able to give me the message the first time.  
I've already corrected this problem (my HD needed reformatting anyway and I did
have a backup)  But I'd like to know for the sake of knowing, also in case it
happens again.  How to deal with this.  Any input would be greatly
appreciated!!!!!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: kernel parity errors?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:52:32 GMT

A friend who is not on the net is having kernel parity errors. I'm no guru
so can't help him, but vaguely I *think* I recall that such errors were a
clue to fix something other than the kernel. It's not in FAQ. Can someone
help? All my friend needs is a direction to investigate, not a detailed
analysis. Software or hardware? What component is the most likely culprit?

Thanks in advance.

Frank        

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