From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:38:01 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct12.220342.59649@cc.usu.edu> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.024229.6978@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>,
> press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson) writes:
>> slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes:
>>>  press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson) writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> the lds says(like Jason), do you presume to know the
>>>> interpretations better than the lds? 
>>> 
>>> No, what we are saying is: "Do you presume to know the *LDS*
>>> interpretations better than the LDS?"
>> 
>> I think not. Joseph Smith Jr. displaced the christians with His
>> interpretations and said in effect, these interpretations are
>> correct, yours are skewed, corrupted, abominations, etc. You
>> wish to ignore this historical displacement?
>
>Thank you for proving my point.  This is *your* interpretation
>of what Smith said, *not* the *LDS* interpretation of what Smith
>said.

What is important is, what was Smith's interpretation of what he said!

>>> Mormons are not inerrantists.
>> 
>> The lds cannon scriptures contain errors?
>
>Yes, they do.  No Mormon I know of ever claimed they are word
>perfect.  The only ones I know making *that* claim are
>anti-Mormons.
>
>Look at Ether 12:23-25; 1 Nephi 19:6.
>
>>> Mormons do not believe in infallable prophets or leaders.

Jason, your church leaders would absolutely cringe if they knew how you
were defending your faith.  It is a good thing 'ol Joseph Smith isn't
around to hear you talk like this.  Because he said:

     "I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most
      correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our
      religion..."   History of the Church Vol. 4 pg 461

I think he would certainly disagree with you if he were here today.

>>> Mormons do not believe in infallable scripture.
>> 
>> Mormons have no infallible scripture?

That is quite funny that you would continue on rambling about this.  You
know that that is not what your church believes.  You mean to tell me that
if I were to ask Exra Taft Benson if the BoM contains errors, he would
say, "oh yes!  it certainly does!".  I find that hard to believe.

I was in Los Angeles and visited the temple when it was opened there.
They gave me a pamphlet there from the Church.  The title of the pamphlet
was, "THE CHALLENGE THE BOM MAKES TO THE WORLD".

What this pamphlet was, was 30 reasons why anyone couldn't do the same
thing that Joseph Smith did, because Joseph had God on his side.
Statement #6 says, "other than a few gramatical corrections, you must
have no changes in the text.  THE FIRST edition as you dictate it to your
secretary must stand forever."

Seems sort of interesting that the BoM cannot even stand up to it's own
challenge.  Have you ever read the 1830 edition of the BoM?  If the church
is going to publish a phamplet like this, then how do they justify all the
changes in the BoM.  There are over 4000 changes!  Many of them are
gramatical changes, and many of them are changes in doctrine and history.
How is this justified?

Even where the changes are made, there is not even a footnote stating that
the changes were made.  Thus, trying to make you believe that you are
reading the original as it came from Joseph Smith, when in fact you are
not.  This is scholastic dishonesty!

Statement #19 on the pamphlet says, " the book must not contain any
absurd, impossible, or controdictory statments.  Your history must not
contain any statment that wil contradict any other statement
elsewhere in the volume."

Looks like to me that the LDS church does believe pretty heavily in
infallible Scripture.  Too bad they don't have any.

If anyone would like a photocopy of this pamphlet and/or copyies of these
changes and errors, please feel free to write me.  Or if you don't trust
me, go to your nearest LDS bookstore and check the changes and errors out
for yourself.  Every Mormon owes it to himself to see these dishonest
changes.

>> Are the undergarments infallible? 
>> Are devil repellent undergarments
>> mentioned anywhere in the christian scriptures. Were these undergarments
>> part of the "secrets of the kingdom" that were lost with the twelve
>> apostles?
>> You will no doubt be tempted to defuse these questions, but they are
>> serious. 
>
>No, they are cantankerous, insolent questions intented to inflame
>and stir up contention, and to ridicule another's beliefs.
>
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>Jason Hunsaker  -|-  Logan, Utah  -|-  Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu

These are very valid questions for non-momrons to ask if they are
considering becoming and LDS.  Why do you avoid them?
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