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From: Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu>
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees (Correction)
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:29:33 GMT
Organization: Calvin College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.012813.741@calvin.edu> Earl D. Fife,
fife@calvin.edu writes:
> In article <sdorner-121192215919@0.0.0.0> Steve Dorner,
> sdorner@qualcomm.com writes:
> > I have yet to receive official word from Apple, but according to what
I
> > hear from other developers and from the trade press, Apple is
imposing a
> > new fee schedule:
> >
> > Single copy - $60
>
> I just ordered a single copy of MacTCP from APDA for $25.  Perhaps the
> rumors about the other prices are as exagerated as this.

In my previous posting, I did not clarify that this is an UPGRADE not
a new purchase.  Sorry for the confusion.

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fife@calvin.edu       |          Calvin College
(616)957-6403         |          Grand Rapids, MI 49546

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and now you tell me 4 plus 2 is six!"     --Dennis the Menace

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jconklin@scott.skidmore.edu (jason conklin)
Subject: E-Mail to GEnie
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:17:59 GMT

Hi, I was just wondering if it was possible to send E-Mail via the
internet to GEnie...

please send all responses via E-Mail 

thankx alot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: packer@forum.swarthmore.edu (Asa Packer)
Subject: Re: ARA & 7.1
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: The Geometry Forum
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:54:13 GMT

In article <TSLOPEZ.92Nov14151132@queen.mcs.Drexel.edu>,
tslopez@mcs.Drexel.edu (Scott Lopez) wrote:
> Once I upgraded to System 7.1, AppleTalk Remote Access stopped working. They
> don't seem to get along. Is anyone else having this problem?

Yes!  I have ARA & 7.1 and on Friday when I tried to use ARA (for the first
time since upgrading to 7.1) it screwed up my machine pretty badly (had to
reinstall my system software).  It used to work fine, and I don't think
I've changed much since the last time I successfully used it except my
system software and my MacTCP.  Scott, were you trying to do MacTCP stuff
at all?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu>
Subject: Re: Hyde Park's Macslip
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72F31D8D202042D@45.4.106.153.in-addr.arpa>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:33:44 GMT
Organization: Calvin College
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:34:56 GMT

In article <elevenson-161192095604@132.197.14.15> Ernie Levenson,
elevenson@gte.com writes:
> Could someone please email me or post to this group the address and
> telephone number of Hyde Park.  Thanks!

Hyde Park Software
PO Box 7133
Austin, TX 78713

internet: info@hydepark.com
phone: (512) 454-1170

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Earl D. Fife          |          Department of Mathematics
fife@calvin.edu       |          Calvin College
(616)957-6403         |          Grand Rapids, MI 49546

"Make up your mind, Margaret. First you tell me 3 plus 3 is 6, 
and now you tell me 4 plus 2 is six!"     --Dennis the Menace

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From: Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP port number allocation
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:46:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Eric Nieuwland writes
> The problem seems this:
> Our system administrators have configured our gateway to pass only  
packets
> directed to ports with numbers < 5000. (For security reasons, they say)
> The Macs seem allocate port numbers in the 40000+ range.

Fetch picks the port number for FTP data connections by calling Random()  
in a loop until it gets one that's greater than 1024.  I'd have to change  
the code to make it also toss port numbers greater than 5000, and I don't  
know that your sysadmins are very typical in this regard.  

If you're handy with the ResEdit CODE editor you could patch Fetch to look  
for ports under 5000 instead of greater than 1024.  Or you could write an  
INIT to patch Random() and skew the results when Fetch calls it (I don't  
think Fetch calls it for any other reason).  Or you could ask your  
sysadmins to give a better rationale for limiting your communication in  
this way....

Jim Matthews
Dartmouth Software Development
From: mike_s@cybermac.lm.sub.org (Michael Schmittner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Terminal Programs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:42:27 CET
Organization: M&T.GER
Reply-To: mike_s@cybermac.lm.sub.org (Michael Schmittner)
Distribution: europe
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <of1lJGm00ioW0Zt0Zi@andrew.cmu.edu> (comp.sys.mac.comm), jf43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph Fried) writes:

> 
> Anyone know of a terminal program which outputs to the screen quickly?
> (PC style?)

Try, "ZTerm" (current version 0.9). Its a great shareware program.
I`m using it with my Telebit T2500 Trailblazer. Never had any speed-problems
with it.

Michael

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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: X packages for Mac other than MacX?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:44:18 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 MikeSummers@cup.portal.com (Michael - Summers) writes:
>Can anyone recommend 3rd party X packages for the Mac? I'm having 
>problems with Apples product and would like some alternatives.


	eXodus, but I forget the company's name ...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Rick Boebel <boebel@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Re: X Window System ARA Server? - PlanetX
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9193]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7365C6B9003B0E0@boxorain.sob.tulane.edu>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:01:15 GMT
Organization: Freeman School of Business
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.054114.24634@netcom.com> Joel Burke
Truher, truher@netcom.com writes:
>Is there an X program which acts as a display server for
>ARA?  Is there some other pair of local X display server and
>remote Mac client?  It seems like this would be a pretty
>straightforward (if little-used) program . . .

I've been told there is a program called PlanetX that is both a
client/server for the Mac.  However I know nothing about it,
does anyone out there have any info?  Specifically price,
source, and efficacy?      Thanks, Rick Boebel
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From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: New beta MacIBP online...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 13:57:02 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


MacIBP beta testers:

There is a new release of MacIBP on ftp.msen.com in /pub/ibp/mac.
This is the last beta before release so please give it one more
quick review.

Thanks, tim.


tim endres - time@ice.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Jouni Ryn| <Jouni.Ryno@fmi.fi>
Subject: Re: Why Exodus is vastly inferior to MacX
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A736853CF7013285@jar.fmi.fi>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 12:55:24 GMT
Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:34:46 GMT

Be aware of eXodus, it doesn't support international keyboards !!!!!. And
according to their information, they don't even plan to support (in the
near future). Hard to believe from a firm, that makes excellent
Mac240/340 emulators. 1992 and they have hardcoded keyboards. 

       Jouni Ryn|                            Tel. (+358)-0-1929508
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Printing via Parallel/Localtalk: What's Faster?
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:17:16 GMT

In article <smwall-161192111506@hipmac1.pica.army.mil>, smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall) writes:
> The Localtalk net for this printer is quite lightly loaded, consisting of 
> the Phaser, a Laserwriter II and a NetSerial connected to a plotter.  None
> of
> these items is in very heavy use.
> 
>   Theoretic data rate for Localtalk is 230Kbps, while parallel
> is 115Kbps(?), so assuming a little more overhead in Appletalk packet
> switching, I expect very similar throughput from Localtalk or parallel.

  Suffice it to say, most printers are limited by the printer flow
controlling the host so this isn't usually an issue but:

   Localtalk: 230kbps =  28kbytes/sec -- this is not obtainable since
	 localtalk is a network protocol and has overhead, expect
	 less; probably much less.
   Parallel: Trivially 40k as much as 100k (maybe even faster in some
  	     implementations).

  Parallel *will* be faster, and is probably easier on the printer too
since parallel is flow controlled via hardware, whereas with serial 
this is not necessarily true.
  Now for the *big* gotcha, and *the* thing which will make the
hardware decision for you: Does your application need to see the
postscript output blather? Things like the Macintosh most definitily
*do* need to see it (it figures out what fonts are loaded, printer
status and other things like that from the postscript interpreter).
For typical Netware implemenations, it is not necessary.

> Can anyone offer their experience in printing to a Postscript printer in
> parallel or Localtalk, or formal/informal benchmarks to show what's
> faster?

  A postscript printer will work fine off of either interface, but
parallel does not have a back channel (excepting the new laserjet iv's). 
If your application doesn't care about this it should work fine.
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From: msung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael L Sung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Supra ROM/ID Upgrade
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:53:12 GMT

Supra recently contacted me about a week ago concerning their ROM upgrade
(which supposedly improves performance) and the Caller ID upgrade.  I was
very impressed that Supra is making such a great attempt to offer superior
product support...

However, I have a few questions - Does anybody out there that has already
installed the upgrade know:

1)  How the ROM upgrade is actually made?  Do you have to take the modem
apart and plug things in or do something more complicated?  In other
words, is it something a normal guy w/ normal skills can do?

2)  How does Caller ID work?  Do you have to leave the computer and modem
and appropriate software on all the time?  Is there any software?

3)  They mentioned the voice upgrade for about $70.  Again, how does this
work?  How do you record your messages (do you need a Mac with a
microphone?)  Does it have compression for incoming messages or does it
hog up disk space?

Thanks in advance for your replies.  Please reply by e-mail.

msung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:06:01 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

Perhaps this unfortunate decision is Apple's way of showing
their new partner, IBM, that they can strive to be monopolists,
too.

I look forwared to the excellent freeware substitute for
MacTCP and the hero(s) who write it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang)
Subject: Serial Printing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:13:19 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm


Has anyone had any success with this?

We are trying to install a LaserWriter directly to a Mac, which is on
ethernet, using the serial ports on both machines. We installed the serial
laserwriter drivers and we can see the icon in chooser, but when we click
on it, nothing appears in the window.

Do we need special cables? Is there anything else we need? I had originally
thought that this was pretty straight forward, but maybe I am mistaken.

Any help would be appreciated.

-Dave.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: palmer@sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer)
Subject: US Robotics "Sportster" and Modem Tool
Organization: Simon Fraser University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:56:00 GMT

Is there a custom string for the Apple Modem Tool to use with a US Robotics
"Sportster" FAX modem? With the Hayes compatible setting I can't use the 38,400
baud setting. I know little about modems, but the book says I should be able to
use that setting with the cable included with the modem.

Thanks,

Leigh Palmer
Simon Fraser University
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: unknown suffix
From: jamesc@speedy.cs.pitt.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:51:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: usa
Keywords: suffix, pvc
Originator: jamesc@speedy.cs.pitt.edu

Question to some knowledgeable netter out there:
  I have recently acquired (through ftp) a file with a suffix ending of .pvc
  It appears to be produced by a coding program, but I do not know which one.
  Does anyone know what program is needed to convert this file back to text
  or correct binary format? 

sincerely,
James 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase - LANL)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:19:44 GMT

In article <cshotton-171192094146@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>,
cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov16.184719.2543@ldp.com>, rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
> wrote:
> >
> [deletia] 
> > 
> > Yes, but aren't you overlooking the fact that MacTCP *isn't* an application,  
> > it's only a driver.  Can you cite other examples of companies charging that  
> > kind of money for a *driver*, and one that helps sell more of their computers  
> > at that?
> > 
> 
> Ha! This is almost funny. Effectively, Apple is now planning on charging
> more for a single network software driver than they charge for their entire
> operating system. 
> 
> Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Something tells me that Apple doesn't
> have the same costs to recover from MacTCP development that they do from
> Mac O/S development. How can they look Mac managers in they eye and jack
> the MacTCP price up with a straight face?
> 
There is more here than meets the eye that's for sure...Here is another
one for you.....

What else can be done to develop (improve) MacTCP -- Not much unless the
spec changes (unlikely)....The real reason is more like.....Gee since IP
seems to be the dominant networking protocol Why can't we (Apple) develop
our own Networking Applications like - Eudora - Fetch - TcpConnect - etc
etc
and to accomplish this goal (money) we will Inflate the price of MacTCP to
other developers to pave the path for us.......


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Los Alamos National Laboratory
Mechanical Electronic Engineering Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.os2.networking
From: Piet Saslawsky <psaslaw@oc.com>
Subject: Re: Automagic start up of TCP apps
Organization: Advanced Software Concepts
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:28:32 GMT

Just in addition to the two previous answers, I remind to people fond of
automagics that 5PM "does it better". It is CTB-based and contains a
HyperTalk-compatible scripting language. So, if you need to automatically
negociate some stuff with the server, auto-transfer directories, launch
other apps and open docs, it may help you to not waste your time.

Some people wrote here that CTB-based application are slow. I think that
they only used the Apple tools with MacTerminal : when opening telnet
sessions with our TCP/IP and VT420 tools, 5PM goes at the same speed of
the other major terminal-emulation products which are not CTB-based such
as InterConn and VersaTerm.

Piet Saslawsky
Advanced Software Concepts (France)      Open Connect Systems (Dallas)
email: adv.soft@applelink.apple.com      email: psaslaw@oc.com
voice: (33) 93 24 76 00                  voice: (214) 888 0658
From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Does FaxSTF Universal work on Zoom 24/96 send/receive modem?
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:19:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.18344.2B08ED49
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  jg> I have a Zoom 24/96 send/receive fax modem. I am wondering if the
  jg> program FaxSTF Universal will work on my modem. Would someone kindly
  jg> provide me more information on the product?
  jg> 
  jg> Jesse Lee jesse@r-node.gts.org
  jg> --- Squish v1.01
  jg>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1]  (1:107/10)

Yes, for ZOOM the software supports:

AFX 9600/4800 send/receive modem
MX2400S SendFax 48
MX2400S SendFax 96
Modem FX9624V
VFX 14,400bps V.32bis Faxmodem

Good luck!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:34:57 EST
Subject: Need MacWeek E-mail address!!!

Could I be added to the list for the address???

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: XWindows on the Mac???
Organization: MITRE
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:52:08 GMT


> [deleted]
> 
> > I have a problem when I run MacX.  It complains about the incorrect
> > "connetion tools".  Could you tell me what kind of connection tool I have
> > to install and where to get it?
> 
> I use the MacTCP that came with A/UX.
> 

I have MacTCP, but I do not have A/UX.  Is it the problem?

> 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Hungkai
> > (hkc@mitre.org)
From: lewis@nic.cerf.net (Lewis Jr. High)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: SMTP Gateway
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:59:40 GMT
Organization: San Diego City Schools

Can anyone recommend a good SMTP Gateway for QuickMail?  Thanks for your
assistance...

Jeff

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From: willdm+@pitt.edu (William D Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: vt200 emulation on Telnet 2.5?
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:00:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: willdm@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

Forgive me for asking what seems to be an obvious question, but I'm trying to
get NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5 MacTCP to use vt200 terminal emulation.  The problem
is the documentation for the software doesn't exactly come out and say how
to specifically set it for vt200.  It just says that 2.5 can perform vt200.

I've changed the "termtype=" setting in the config.tel file and then restarted
the program but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

Anyone have any experience they can relay concerning this aspect of Telnet?


Will@Pitt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:47:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.104121.7694@DIALix.oz.au> todd@DIALix.oz.au (Todd  
Hooper) writes:

(stuff deleted)

> I appreciate the work that people put into apps like Eudora and it's ilk,  
but
> in cold commercial reality, Apple is just following an industry trend which
> is inevitable. 
> 
> What remains to be seen is whether the MacTCP pricing (I haven't seen
> anything official yet) is competitive with the competition such as
> TCPort and LAN Workplace for Mac.  I suspect from the figures that it will
> be. And it already has a large base of applications, so you can't deny it
> must be good.
> 
> People can complain all they like, but it comes down to this. Nothing is
> free. Most people who buys Macs don't want to pay for MacTCP. If you need
> TCP/IP, you need to weigh up the costs and buy an appropriate solution.
> 
> Todd

Yes, but aren't you overlooking the fact that MacTCP *isn't* an application,  
it's only a driver.  Can you cite other examples of companies charging that  
kind of money for a *driver*, and one that helps sell more of their computers  
at that?

Rolfe

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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:37:06 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau29.ira.uka.de

In article <15968@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon) writes:

>    *	If you're a University, it will cost you $4,000 per year for
>    	the privilege that most other sites on the Internet take for
                           ^^^^
>	granted - TCP/IP.

How many sites on the *Internet* are there without TCP/IP? ;-)

olaf
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