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From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:28:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.232356.16101@fuug.fi> an4782@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Talking of overkill, in the UK one of the questions they ask is "Have you
>had sex with anyone from Africa since 1976?" or similar, I forget exactly.
>I don't know if you would be barred from donating if you say yes, but the
>question is just so incredibly over-the-top

Well, if it means "since or during 1976" I would have to say yes.  It
was quite "safe" by todays standards, but it was sex.  And in Zaire, one
of the places hit hardest by AIDS.  

But then they wouldnt let me give blood for 5 years after I left africa
because I had (or believed I had) malaria (up and down fever of 105, a
doctor came by and took a blood sample but by the time he got to a 
microscope where he could read it the trip across Zaire in a Land Rover
had rendered it so crufty he couldnt tell).  Then I could give blood for
about 2 years (I think) and then the current ban was imposed.  

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:09:22 GMT

tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:

>First, hello one and all.  (Is that okay as a demuffing act?)

Wonderful. Glad to have you here. Now, let's talk about deleting
excess text... ;)

>Also, did they have Kryspy Kreme donuts in Atlanta?

Who else shuddered when they read this?

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Credit Styles
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:47:00 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.203520.22036@thinkage.on.ca>, kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
|> In article <thaaang.726177904@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> >fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
|> >
|> >>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> >>>glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> >>>Greggie dear, is there *any* way you could get me a credit card? It
|> >not to use it, wouldn't it? Okay, you've convinced me. I'll be
|> >expecting the card shortly, Greggie dear.
|> >
|> >>And I promise I will never call you 'Greggie dear' to get it.
|> >
|> >Oh, come now! Calling someone Greggie dear is on a level with
|> >calling them Stud-o-Matic, in my book.
|> 
|> o-Matic? hummm, i could've sworn he was "manually" operated... :-)

Knobs, buttons, handles, slots, and easy to
figure out without an owner's manual.

Of course, there's been times with certain people
where it *felt* like they had read the manual.......

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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Snapple Drink Boycott
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:35:02 GMT

In article <1ia01aINNhjt@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:
>
>Another company to add to the boycott list is Snapple for
>those of you out there who are pro-choice.  Snapple apparently
>give significant contributions to the anti-choice 
>movement (pro-lifers).

No they don't.  There was a rumour here in the City about it.  I called Snapple
and they sent a letter explaining where the rumour got started (L.A.) and 
that their corporate giving philosophy doesn't allow contributions to any
political cause.

Do you have new information?


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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:55:06 GMT

In article <1525@dosbears>, mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie) writes:
> Let me second that.  Taos, Red River, Santa Fe are all fantasic ski
> areas.  Sandia and Sierra Blanca are very good as well.  And for all
> you California skiers, the slopes are practically deserted (compared
> to what you are used to :-) and the low humidity and high elevation
> combine to create a delightful snow.


  I'll third that. Taos is probably the best resort that I've been
to overall. Taos has more difficult terrain then any other place
I can think of (thinking about Castor and Pollux and Winston, not 
to mention Kachina Peak). 
  The town is delightful as well, although high heels are not recommended.
When I was there last, we went to several excellent resturaunts there;
though Doc Martin's wasn't all that great IMHO, the Brett House (?)
and that adobe ranch house out in the boondocks were supurb. Best of
all is that it's not pretentious. The skiing is fab and the mud is
deep...
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Powell Way, please email me!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:06:38 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Keywords: sorry about the wasted bandwidth

Sorry about wasting the bandwidth, but if Powell Way reads this, please
send me a good email address.  I've tried both addresses you list in 
your .sig, and the mail bounces at ncr.com.

Now back to your normal motss'ing.

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From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: the Christian Coalition comes to Colorado Springs
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:21:00 EST


mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish) writes:
|> Well I guess it was inevitable but the Christian Coalition will be
|> coming to Colorado Springs to protest in front of two gay-friendly
|> stores, Poor Richards Cafe and the Chinook Bookshop because they
|> *GASP* *CLUTCH THE PEARLS BABS* knowingly employ gays and lesbians.

Gotcha. Two places to shop when I'm in town visiting the relatives. 
Any other recommendations? (Maybe they should have stickers on the door --
"We've been protested by the Krispy Khristian Koalition!")

|> In response (it's more like if you can do it so can we), Ground Zero
|> (the new group here in town) will be holding a protest in front of the
|> new offices of Colorado for "Family Values" which will turn into a
|> march to Will Perkins Chrysler Plymouth.  Word has it that CBS news
|> will be here to film our protest.

Will Perkins? Any relation to Marlon? (Just who made the Impala, anyway?)




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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Seid umschlungen, Millionen.  Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:19:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.144709.29450@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> the profanity is incidental (akin to the occasional profanity found
> here)

What the fuck are you talking about?
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:56:17 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu


This is a really complicated set of issues, and I can really do no
better than to muddy the waters further, but hey...

A long time ago, an African-American friend asked me: "So how does
it feel being part of a group that some men specialize in?" I guess
I don't spend a lot of time around people who date Asians exclusively,
so I'm not really bothered by the idea. Most of the people I've
dated or had sex with tend to have very flexible tastes, race-wise.
(Or maybe I'm just not "nice" enough to attract the traditional
rice queen :-))

One incident that I found really amusing: after some mutual cruising
at a dubious Chicago venue, I was approached with this opening line,
delivered with great embarrassment: "I have these Mishima fantasies..."
It was all I could do not to burst out laughing and roll around
on the floor. 

As Daniel Gilly and others have pointed out, I think we need to
make the distinction between casual limited sexual encounters
and longterm relationships (or work environments etc etc). It's
obviously wrong to be forced into roles in relationships or our
daily lives because of race. But I don't mind being fetishized
for physical characteristics that are race-based, just as I don't
mind being fetishized because I have funny hair, too many earrings etc,
as long as there's respect for what *I* want to do in those
situations.

(Or am I using "fetishize" in a different way here?)

Bill
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:53:31 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Jess Anderson:

>To change the subject slightly, do you think it would be
>immoral to shoot my neighbor's dog?  [not-so-shaggy dog story followed]

If you have the neighbor's phone number, I would suggest calling him/her
at all hours.  Simply say, "Your dog is barking" and hang up.  After 
he/she has been awakened several times, they'll likely do something
about it.

Poor doggie is probably looking for some attention.  You probably should
shoot the neighbor instead.
-- 
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From: ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:23:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.210205.16340@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

Melinda pondered:

>> Say, what is it with Canada and polka dancing?  My childhood
>> memories of Canadian television is polka shows and hockey
>> games, and changing the channel to pick up Buffalo stations
>> as soon as my grandparents left the room.
>

Which caused Robert to ask:

>Which were the buffaloes doing, playing hockey or dancing the polka?


BOTH! That's the advantage of being a quadruped:
-- ice-skates on the forelegs, and polka drag on the hindquarters.

-- 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:22:20 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan5.151643.7153@osf.org>
coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.111541.5492@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> As to the admittedly outrageous prices (paying $15/oz for a
>> substance that costs $100/tankcar) most of what you pay for
>> is design and marketing.

>And, unsurprisingly, the situation for perfume intended for women is
>even worse. I actually have no idea what "perfume" costs these days,
>but I remember a _New Yorker_ cartoon from *at least* 20 years ago,
>and very likely more: prosperous-looking couple in high-class
>cosmetics shop, wife being offered fancy-looking perfume bottle,
>husband exclaims indignantly: "Do you realize that works out to about
>$750 a fifth?"

>(for the aritmetically-challenged: $750/fifth = $30/oz, or very nearly
>so.)

But my dear, this would not be very good perfume.  $30/oz,
20 years ago, would have been only a medium-priced perfume.
Nowadays, you can only get second-rate colognes for that.
Good perfume is about, lemme see, $30,000 a gallon.  Tank
cars hold about 10,000 gallons.  Fair piece of change, eh?

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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:28:25 GMT

In article <18297@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.212416.1206@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>> Gays, unlike almost every other persecuted minority, are regularly
>> sought out and beaten simply for existing. (e.g. Klansmen might beat
>> blacks for getting "out of line", or going into the wrong
>> neighborhood, but they don't make a habit of going into black
>> neighborhoods to look for blacks to beat; whereas gay-bashers
>> routinely go into gay areas to find gays.) We ought to reserve a term
>> like "gay-bashing" for these violent crimes.
>
>
>unfortunately, your assertion regarding willful - senseles violence
>against other minoritys just isn't true. This stuff happens all the time.

You're right; I phrased this too strongly. I do think, however, that
gays are sought out far more aften than other persecuted groups. By
which I mean that hate crimes against other groups are often triggered
by some action on the part of the victim which provides a (bad) excuse
for the bigot (e.g. Yusuf Hawkins's going into a white neighborhood),
whereas gaybashers will often make a point of looking for gays to
beat.

I never questioned that other groups are subjected to "willful -
senseless" violence; but I do think that the violence against gays is
qualitatively different. More than that, I'm not prepared to pin it
down (at least not until I get some more sleep).
for 
-- 
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:17:22 GMT

jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
>
>Yes, hire someone to clean.  I'm serious, actually.  From the small amount of 
>information in the above paragraph, it seems like your household has kids only
>during weekends.
>
>This gives you two choices. Either involve the kids in cleaning up with you
>(assuming they're not very young) or decide to spend time with them rather
>than cleaning the house. In the latter case, someone has to clean.

The boys are 4 and 7, and they will pick up their toys if you point at each
item and tell them where it goes.

>I live alone, so I have someone come every other week, on Friday. I spend 
>about 20 minutes
>on Thursday night putting things into neat piles.  

But that's the *hard*part*!  20 minutes?!  It takes that long just to gather
the laundry.

>This assumes, of course, that you can afford it. I hope you can.  I see no 
>reason to have class-based reservations about this; I don't think you're 
>exploiting anyone. 

No. It takes talent to clean a house efficiently; some people use that talent
for a job.  I have no problem with helping someone make a living.

>This advice is guaranteed to be worth what you paid for it.

So do I get $.02 if I don't take your advice? :-{)

jeff [jeopardizing his candidacy for househusband of the year]
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:33:25 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <KMEYER.93Jan11141657@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>Personally, I don't believe that commemorating Stonewall is the most
>important function of a Gay Pride Celebrations.  From what I've seen,
>most people in my (younger) age group tend to agree with this--if they
>even know what Stonewall is, which many don't.

Your last point is an indication of why I am as adamant about this as
I am.

>I also don't understand the argument that "it's OK to move the
>anniversary celebration 3 or 4 days to a weekend but it's not OK to
>move it a couple weeks."

For the same reason legal holidays are scheduled this way.  For that matter,
move it several weeks... just observe the same day everywhere.
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Stanford Shopping Center (was Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:17:22 GMT

In article <mattm-050193082830@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.143333.29021@Princeton.EDU>,
>sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) wrote:
>
>> How about the Monterey Market?  It was a savior for us kitchen queens,
>> though I never did understand how they could have the best produce at
>> the best prices and still pay Stanford Shopping Center rents.
>
>The Monterey Market certainly qualifies as one of The Great Mysteries
>As Yet Unexplained by Modern Science.  And there are some Caaayuuutteeee
>waiters across the way at Max's Cafe.
>
>*X*

I've actually never shopped there.  I always assumed it was an
overpriced yuppie market, but I'll check it out.

And I can't even go in Max's anymore.  If I hear "Empty Chairs at
Empty Tables" again, I'll draw blood.  

--scoT

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From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game (AGAIN..) NO SPOILERS.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:49:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <9BEUrARPBh107h@aptzero.lonestar.org> doug@aptzero.lonestar.org 
     (Doug Gault) writes:

>Well my SO and I finally wend and saw _The Crying Game_ last night.. Not
>knowing anything about the movie, I was hesitant to see it.. BUT... It
>was VERY GOOD.. Don't let the first 20 minutes fool you... It is just a 
>set up to the rest of the EXCITEMENT!
>
>JUST take this as another STRONG recomendation!

Again, no spoilers, but:

Bob and I also saw it -- this past weekend.  I agree about the first
20 minutes or so.  I did not like how the movie was developing, but it
redeemed itself soon thereafter.

I didn't always understand the speech that well.  Maybe the theatres'
acoustics were bad, maybe the film's sound quality is muffled, and
maybe I just have trouble understanding British and Irish accents.
If this could pose a problem to you, see it in a quality theatre
or sit near the speakers.

The movie is worth seeing, but to repeat what others have said:
be careful not to read or listen to *anything* that might give 
away the plot.

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:53:38 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <jc62l0f@rpi.edu> buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:

>>buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>| A broader question, do all 9 cities that are boycotting Colorado have
>>| gay rights ordinances? I would presume YES.

>>No. Atlanta, for one, does not. I heard the head of the Colorado
>>Tourist Board (who has an obvious agenda here) complaining that
>>it was awfully smug and hypocritical for Atlanta to be boycotting
>>Colorado when Denver, Boulder, Aspen all had enacted anti-
>>discrimination ordnances while Atlanta never has. 

>Hmm, well then the obvious question is WHY NOT? Atlanta has one of the
>largest gay populations in the country. Are they politically active?

Being one of "they", the answer is "yes, but". "Yes", because the gay
and lesbian voters of this state turned out of office our soon-to-be
(in about 15 minutes?) former U.S. Senator, Wyche Fowler.  "But", because
this is still the "Genteel South" and a large chunk of the non-LGBO
community would rather kill us than listen to us (for example, this past
weekend the _seventh_ murder of a crossdresser occurred, but the law
enforcement agencies involved are only "going thru the motions" of an
investigation).

Atlanta has a large gay population -- but "Atlanta", as most people 
think of it, actually consists of 9 counties and about 200 towns and
cities.  The _City of Atlanta_ is actually quite small -- its entire
population is around 350,000 while the metropolitan area is around
2.9 _million_, which means that 90% of those you might consider to
be "from Atlanta" don't live there and cannot express a political
opinion concerning it.  There is no type of consolidated, cross-county
or cross-jurisdictional government except for the state, so complaining
that "Atlanta" hasn't done something isn't really valid; you would need
to say that Atlanta, Marietta, Decatur, Roswell, Jonesboro, Smyrna,
Doraville, Tucker, Stone Mountain, Chamblee, Norcross, Lawrenceville,
Covington, Forest Park, High Point, East Point, Austell, Douglasville,
Cobb County, DeKalb County, Fulton County, Gwinnett County, Clayton
County, Douglas County, Kennesaw, Austell, Alpharetta, and Avondale
Estates "haven't done it".

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