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From: bskendig@rise.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: VETTE patch???
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:14:55 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Academy, Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <6591@shodha.enet.dec.com> m_bellor@shodha.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch") writes:
> Is there a patch to remove the password from VETTE?
> Email if possible, address at the end of the .sig

... and post here, too.

     << Brian >>

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From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Raylroad Tycoon Eveluation
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:17:51 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Organization: None - Entire program eliminated due to budget cuts :)
Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will
            disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or
            my mission.


In article <54319@hydra.gatech.EDU>,
Citizen gt5311b@prism.gatech.EDU (BHATTACHARYA,ABHIJIT) writes :
[stuff deleted...]

>However, there are a few bugs. In the Western U.S. scenario, the EMD GP freight
>engine never appears.  The efficiency report sometimes shows negative numbers,
>as well as numbers over 100%. The speeds for some named trains are incorrect,
>although their 25% additional revenue seems to work ok. Also, I have NEVER
>been able to get out of receivership if I declare bankruptcy.

  The EMD Diesel is a misprint in the manual.  The designers wanted to
include the "Geep", but in each scenario there is a 10 engine type limit.
The designers decided that earlier engines were more important, and the
manual was not updated to reflect this decision.
  As for the efficiency report, it might be possible to for the value to
be negative - I've seen the formula (in a hint book), but I've never
payed attention to it.
  And yes, it is currently impossible to get out of receivership.

>I have heard there is an upgrade or patch to fix some (all?) of these bugs.
>The 32 train limit especially bites, because by the end of the game, all my
>trains are running mail, since any raw materials or other pickups are not as
>profitable.

  Once again, the designers had to make a sacrifice.  They decided to limit
the number of trains and stations so the game would fit "in" a PC.  (It`s a
port, remember? :)  I myself never even come close to the limit - I've
never broken 20 trains and I harly run more than 10 - stocks are where the
money is at.


|--------------------------------| "I like it.  It's got that 'It's a cruel
|      J. Taggart Gorman Jr.     |  world - Let's throw ourselves in the
| jtgorman@caslon.cs.arizona.edu |  abyss.' type ambience."
|--------------------------------|     - Christian Slater, in _Heathers_
From: marosen@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Mark Rosen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Prince of Persia Demo
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:43:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Use the zero key (or shift or option) to swing the sword, or parry the
opponent's sword.  the directional keys work a bit different.  I use
the keypad; if the dude is to your left, you'll remain facing him even
if you use the 6 key to move right (you just back up a bit); you can
charge him by using the 4 key.

-- 
Mark J. Rosen        marosen@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: ahfitt@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: games for sale
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:46:17 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I have a few games for sale.

NFL Chalange             $20.00 Original box and two team sets
Armour Alley             $20.00 Original box and registration
Falcon 2.2               $20.00 Original box and registration
Ancient at of War at Sea $20.00 No Box or registration

 
Falcon 2.2            $20.00 Original box and registration
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
From: gcote@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: SPECTRE patch??
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:43:22 GMT

I caught a glimpse of a description of how to implement the mega-tank trap, but
not the original bit.  I tried it but it didn't work at all.  This leads me to
believe that I'm missing some important bit of info.

Could someone post (or e-mail to me) the directions again, IN THEIR ENTIRETY!

Appreciation extended
Gary Cote
GCOTE@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: gabe_sky@cats.ucsc.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Tetris
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:52:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


Tetris is not shareware or PD, so you will not find it on any FTP site.
(Non of the self-respecting ones at least).  Some good clones that I've
found are Columns, Cumulonimbus, and Hextris.  Columns is simple but addictive.
Cumulonimbus adds a bunch of different pieces that are even harder to stack
than the ones in the real tetris.  Hextris is very difficult because it
works on a grid with hexagonal blocks forming the pieces that drop.

I believe that these are all available on sumex-aim.stanford.edu.  If they
aren't I'll upload them somewhere.


 - Gabe Sky.                                        Gabriel M. Schuyler	|
                                       Internet: gabe_sky@cats.ucsc.edu	|
                                              America Online:  Gabe Sky	|
From: elminste@netlink.cts.com (Joshua Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Warlords.
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:34:44 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

I tried playing warlords on my Mac plus, it says you can, but after I turn 
off all my inits and launch it, it only gets to the credits screen then 
freezes. I don't know why. any hints?

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Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:05:23 -0400 
From: John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Prince of Persia Demo
	<1992Apr14.163914.26413@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Distribution: usa


Don't forget...pressing "shift" while climbing lets you hang, this is
useful for really long jumps when you just catch the edge...



=========================================================================
J. Hamilton Slye (jsbr@andrew.cmu.edu) 1071 Morewood Ave., Pgh, Pa. 15213

The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY! JOY!"
=========================================================================
From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: vaporware?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:42:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr8.152728.10678@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>Add:
>
>LSL V, due March

Actually, you can not add (or delete :-) this one.  Egghead had it on
their shelves yesterday.  I played the PC version a while back;
it's not too difficult, and not too exciting (in my opinion, anyway).
It might be better on the Mac (I was on a non-music-equipped PC).
Like many of their recent adventure games, I found it more of a 
walk-through story, with minimal puzzle solving required.  Kinda like
an interactive cartoon.  Their earlier stuff was more mentally challenging.

I also saw Heart of China on the shelves.  It's from Dynamix, written
by the guy that did Rise of the Dragon.  Does anyone know anything about
this game?  What's it like?  Pure adventure, or arcade/adventure?

And, for that matter, is Rise of the Dragon worth the investment?  Now
that I've got some extra hard drive space, I'd like to put some of the
larger graphic-based adventures to the test.  So what's the scoop: Are
Rise of the Dragon and/or Heart of China worth the investment?

cheers;
-rob.
-- 
Rob Griffiths    "The beatings will continue until morale improves..."
robg@apple.com   PP-ASEL, -IA nearing completion ... B52s/REM/Erasure!
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Info on 4D boxing wanted
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:32:19 GMT
Organization: MSD

I saw 4-D Boxing at the local Egghead store yesterday (the Mac version).

The price? 39.95.  The graphics look good, and the box shows pictures of
the different versions on the back (with what picture belongs to what
system identified).

Unbelievably enough, they are ALREADY consigning the PC version of 4-D
Boxing to the bargain bin - it was marked down to $19.95!

chuck

                       --chuck mcmath-
                    mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov
  MSD, Inc. * National Library of Medicine * National Institutes of Health
                       Bethesda, MD 20894
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
From: trd47680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Theodore R Drain)
Subject: Harpoon BBS down???
Keywords: harpoon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:13:14 GMT

Hey everyone!
Does anyone have any info on the Harpoon BBS at 718-746-7466
being down.  I haven't been able to get on for 3 or 4 days now.
The line just rings and then I get a no carrier message.  I know
they were planning on moving to a new location soon but I didn't 
see any word on it.  For those of you who don't know about this BBS,
if you play Harpoon, this is heaven!!!  There are between 25 and 30
mac scenarios up right now!
Any info would be helpful!!  Thanks!

Ted Drain
trd47680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
From: esteban@apollo.hp.com (Steven Fernandez)
Subject: Re: Evaluation of Battle Chess, Armor Alley?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:09:34 GMT

In article <702675736@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu (Henry Greenside) writes:
>Can anyone give me a brief summary and evaluation of
>these two games?  Are they worth buying?


Hi Henry,

I have played Armor Alley enough to give it a review. It is a pretty good mix
of arcading and strategy. It is basically a shoot them up game but if you do not
plan out your attacks you won't last long. The game has 10 levels which you don't
have to repeat even if you get killed. It tracks your last level and lets you start 
there when you begin a new game.  I do find it somewhat repetitive since I have
been stuck at level 5 for a while and every time I start it again I'm back to trying to
make it through the same alley. When I finally get through it the game will go back
to having my interest. It gets thumbs up from me.


	Steve

PS: I'm sure it is lots of fun if you play it over a network.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
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AOL : Esteban007 | Compuserve : 76170,3602 | Prodigy GBWB34A
From: wolf@piquet.cipl.uiowa.edu (Michael J. Wolf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Which of the Bard's Tale Trilogy exist for the Mac and where...
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:22:49 GMT
Organization: Cardiovascular Image Processing Lab, U of Iowa

I was wondering which games in the Bard's Tale trilogy exist
for the Mac and where one would obtain these.

Thanks.

MJW
From: bm074@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David S Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: ???????? KFC Q ?????????????
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:43:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.094356.17426
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Does any body know in level 2 in the begining pt you can jump in the air 
and land on some kind of invisable platform and then you can 
continue to jump high. I don't know what the hack is that can anybody know
where can i go fr there?
From: asp@trail.sharpstone.com (Alexandre Sasha Polozoff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Simcity 1.2C & System 7 Doesn't work for me
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: asp@trail.sharpstone.com
Organization: Sharpstone Trail Productions - Austin Texas USA
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4

Well,

I finally moved my IIci to System 7 and find that SimCity v1.2c isn't
working anymore.  It boots up but when it draws its goes all over
the place.  I'm sure someone else must be running under Sys7.  Any
version numbers that people are using?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Senior Systems Architect            Compuserve  73467,252
Sharpstone Trail Productions                    info@sharpstone.com
      512/218-1178
OS/2 NeXT Macintosh	  OSF/DME X/Open XOM XMP SMS POSIX compliant products
From: dfclark@snll-arpagw.UUCP (clark dean f)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Re: Mission Thunderbolt Dreadnoughts
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:15:07 GMT
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Livermore, CA

>In article <1992Apr8.153346.11006@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes...
>>MY problem ais those green blobs- they fall through holes and have
>>an entire level filled before I even get there.  Is there an easy 
>>way around them?  Or the radioactive monsters in the nests?
>
>The only way I've found to deal with the Icky Blobs is to hack em all up with
>my vibroknife or antique sword.
>

This sounds like an interesting game. Would anybody care to give a small
review and a minimum system configuration on it. Nothing to fancy just
like, dislike, buy it, etc. Is it animated, etc?

Thanks

dean







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Internet dfclark@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
From: malx0156@steer.sdsu.edu (Michael Peay)
Subject: Re: Dragon's Lair and Space Ace
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:31:07 GMT

I played (and finished) Escape from Singe's Castle.  I liked it.  The resolution
isn't great (640x480 but 2x2 pixels), but the graphics a nice.  The animation
was about 10fps, but it was very playable.  The sound was digitized directly
off the source video discs (Escape is original, though).

The game seemed short.  A full game from start to finish is about 8 minutes, but
it took me 5 days off and on to finish.  Since Escape was original, I wondered
how complete the copies were (DL 1 and 2 and Space Ace 1 and 2) to the originals
I called them and they said they did not contain all of the scenes from the
stand ups.  This is nice since Escape was 5M and I'm sure the others are about
the same.

I say, if you can spare $30 and want to play the game, get it.  Keep in mind
that after a few weeks, it'll just sit on the shelf.

I hope I helped,
Mike
malx0156@steer.sdsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
From: bmor@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Brad Morris)
Subject: Super Yahtzee 1.0 is out!
Reply-To: bmor@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:15:53 GMT

Super Yahtzee 1.0, a dice poker game featuring animated dice, digitized
sounds, choice of single or triple yahtzee games, and in color or b/w, is
now availible.

Look on:
sumex-aim.stanford.edu /info-mac/game/super-yahtzee-10.hqx
rascal.ics.utexas.edu /New/SuperYahtsee_1.0_CPT_bin

I would like to thank all that beta tested this software from the
network.  If you didn't get to beta test, here is your chance to
check it out!

I am also looking to have people post this for me on other
bulletin boards and networks.  Please mail me if you have access
to other places.

Again, thanks!  And may the dice be with you!

Brad Morris
b-morris@uchicago.edu
From: wilsona@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: 4D Boxing
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:46:55 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

Here's my first bad experience with 4D Boxing.

I was ranked 17th fighting number 14, Ugotabee Kidding. In the 7th round
I knocked him down twice, and I could have gotten the TKO by knocking him
down the third time, but I wanted to be sure of a knockout so I 
decided to wait for the next round. 

So I come out swinging in the 8th, his overall energy bar is totally gone,
and I hit him with an uppercut thinking it would turn out his lights.
But instead, all his bars go to full strength and he starts pummeling me
with full power punches.  Before long I was down twice with no hope of
recovery so I just quit the game. (Hey, don't need a loss I don't deserve!)

I've decided to not be so greedy in the future, I'll just take a TKO if
I can. But has this happened to anyone else?

AW
From: bliever@frith.egr.msu.edu (Eric Blievernicht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games
Subject: Robosport arenas - how do you install them???
Keywords: Robosport, arenas
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:51:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr15.175147.23164
Distribution: comp
Organization: Michigan State University

Hi!  I just downloaded some robosport arenas from sumex, and I don't
know how to "install" the resedit files containing the arenas for
use with robosport - could somebody please explain how?  Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: ellis@dsdlmail.dell.com (Pat Ellis)
Subject: 256K VRAMs wanted
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:44:56 GMT


ellis@dsdlmail.ee.iastate.edu
From: asarti@milano.berkeley.edu (Augusto Sarti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Looking for a page scanner with OCR software
Summary: need it only for reading text (don't need colors and high resolution)
Keywords: page scanner, OCR software
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:53:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr9.085343.25941
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL

As explained in the summary, I don't need high performance. I need to use
it with my Mac SE for reading printed text. The only requirements are that
it must be a page scanner (not a scanman or a thunderscan) and it should
come with some OCR software.

Please reply to this e-mail or call (510) 643-2735 (8pm-11pm).
From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Price comments wanted
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:33:25 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I'm planning on selling the following packages, and I have no idea of their 
current worth.

Write Now 2.0, unopened
Mac Tools Deluxe, unopened.
MacDraw II, unopened.
US Robotics HST 14.4, NON-DS.  About 1 yr old.

Any suggestions (or bids) are welcome.
[RICHR]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: For sale:Claris Resolve/MacWrite II
From: skinner@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:17:19 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

I have to following for sale:

Claris Resolve
Claris MacWrite II

Both are still sealed with all manuals and registration cards
intact.  Please contact me with your offer if you are interested.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers
From: waire@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Timothy A Waire Jr)
Subject: Hayes 2400M - NuBus Modem $80
Reply-To: waire@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Timothy A Waire Jr)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:41:23 GMT

I have an internal NuBus Hayes 2400M for sale.  This is a vanilla 2400 bps 
modem, ie. read 'no compression' or 'error correction'.  BTW, for those who
don't know, NuBus is the bus architecture of Mac IIs.

It is forsale for $80 firm, I pay shipping.  Send mail if interested!
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INTERNET: waire@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu                P.O. Box 5874, Fido: 261/1138
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Electrical Engineering & Computer Science         BBS: (410) 9227743 V.32/42bis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: pemg6611@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick McClaughry)
Subject: Mac 1MB SIMMS wanted
Keywords: SIMM Mac
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:52:23 GMT

I'm looking for 2 1Meg SIMMS for an SE.  I'll pay a fair price and cover
shipping.

--Patrick McClaughry

-- 
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little way past them into the impossible.' - Arthur C. Clarke.
From: mrspook@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (John Snook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Good to go: 50 Meg Quantum half height: $200 obo.
Summary: Good to go: 50 Meg Quantum half height: $200 obo.
Keywords: Good to go: 50 Meg Quantum half height: $200 obo.
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:18:31 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Info:		-About 1 month old.
			-Came with my Amiga.
 
	Serious inquiries only!
	Adrian,
	mrspook@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: NUBUS blank perfboard and tech literature
From: poff@vax.sonoma.edu (Someone)
Date: 12 Apr 1992 00:42 PST  
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi.  I have a blank NUBUS board and the following books necessary for
developing NUBUS hardware for the Macintosh.  The books are:

"Apple Macintosh Family Hardware Reference" and
"Inside Macintosh Library:  Designing Cards and Drivers for Macintosh II
                            and Macintosh SE"

If you are interested in making me an offer on any or all of these, please
email me.

--thomas--
poff@vax.sonoma.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: wsmith@isis.cs.du.edu (Walter Smith)
Subject: Several requests
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:49:12 GMT

Greetings!

I've got several requests. I'll be brief. The first request is that any
responses please be email to me directly as I can't always read the news before
pertinent articles expire. Additionally, I cannot FTP from my site.

* I need part 10 of the recently posted Darkside of the Mac screensaver. It was
  hosed at our site. Alteratively, you could sent me the whole thing (query me
  before that though).
* I need an application to uudecode/uuencode files on my Mac. One that could
  join segmented files would be nice.
* I need info on SLIP comm software for Macs. Are there any PD/SW applications?
  What commercial products exist? Company names/numbers would be great.
* Perhaps the wrong place to ask, but since I here... I was wondering if there
  is a way to directly download (via ZModem) a news article or range of news
  articles from within rn. I currently dial into a Unix system, use rn there,
  save files there, download files from there to my Mac, delete files there. I
  need to do it from within rn because I don't have shell access.
* Is there a newsgroup where QuickTime movies are being posted?

That's all for now. Many thanks in advance.
Walter
wsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: jwolf@isis.cs.du.edu (Jon WolF)
Subject: Scanner Wanted
Summary: I want a scanner!
Keywords: Scanman 32, etc.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 20:10:29 GMT

I am looking to buy a hand-held scanner for my Mac LC.  If you've got one
for sale, PLEASE let me know!

Jon WolF - Je veux l'ordinature.