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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Encription in 3.0?
Date: 12 Sep 1992 01:41:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <pzvnw7+.abell@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes:
>[lots of stuff deleted about why encryption didn't make it into 3.0]
>
>I think it's time that the U.S. Government got real about encryption
>software. I have to laugh whenever I see shrinkwrapped software with
>a little sticker that says it can't be exported because it contain a
>DES function. Who do they think they're kidding?

Give an encription API to NeXTMail, and NeXT should ship without any
encryption module.  Let Canon in Japan or an European subsidiary develop
an encription module which then will be distributed to the world
free via net.  We just get it and pop it into our NeXTMail.

US doesn't allow export, but it seems that there is no restrictions on
importing.  This seems like the most effective approach to deal with
the laughable situation than fighting NSA on their turf.

The only thing NeXT has to do is to design/publish a good API for external
encryption modules.

Come to think of it, this is a good opportunity for non-US developers to
deliver a NeXTMail-compatible GUI mail program, but with DES or any other
public key encryption built-in.  They have a clear advantage over NeXT and
US developers.  Make a free demo version which can decrypt messages, but cannot
send out encrypted messages.

--
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(J ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440     Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Info on getting 3.0 and CD-ROM player (was: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:50:04 GMT

Art Isbell writes
> If this is true, then about 40 working days will be required to ship all
> the 3.0 orders NeXT has received to date.  So I doubt this is true.   

As I believe I said in that post, I was not sure what combination of 3.0's  
this is, it could also mean 3.0's shipped with new systems, floppy disk  
versions of 3.0 or CD-ROM 3.0's.

If you call Order Management about it (option 5 then option 2 on their  
1-800 number for 3.0 on CD-ROM), and they don't have your shipping  
information handy, ask them to ask their supervisor about it.  For some  
reason, the supervisors there have different (perhaps more up to date)  
lists of names and addresses to ship to than what is on the lists that the  
people who answer the phones have.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- no NeXTmail please
From: dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Fax Modems on Next
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:52:23 GMT
Organization: Atherton Technology, Inc.

In article <1992Sep7.223405.724@coyote.fdn.org> kris@coyote.fdn.org (Christophe  
Janot) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.203506.1498@fizz.fdn.gna.org> ben@fizz.fdn.gna.org  
(Benoit  
> Grange) writes:
> > - I would like to know what are the fax/modems currently supported with NS  
> > 3.0 (V32bis/V42/V42bis is required).
> 
B & W software has NXFax which supports the ZyXel 14.4 data/fax  
modems--v.32,v.42 bis. etc. under NextSTEP 2.x and 3.0.
> 
> Kris
> -- 
> When will RightBrain stop filling the netnews
> with their advertising or marketing posts ?
Get off it and move on, life is too short for trivia like this.
--
David Williams -- dlw@atherton.com -- NeXTMail welcome
	          dlw@netcom.com   -- NeXTMail welcome
From: reini@demo10 (Michael_Reinemuth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga graphics => NeXT format?
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.233758.5678@nntp.uoregon.edu> cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu  
(Christian De Lay) writes:
> Does anyone know of a way to convert amiga "ILBM" graphics into a format that  
> the NeXT will read?  Is there some sort of utility to do this?
> 
> --
> cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu
> NeXTmail gladly accepted.

ILBM is an old Amiga grafics format ... normally Amiga works with IFF Format
I don t now what resolution the pictures have but normaly load it into DPaint
and save it as IFF .... noe there is no problem...

greetings Micha

(reini@nextpoint.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:19:27 GMT

In <HARDY.92Sep6231009@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes:

>With the current DM/OS/USD ratios NeXTs in Europe should be outright
>bargains.  Something is wrong if prices don't fall together with the 
>Dollar! (Isn't that the purpose of keeping the dollar low? ).
>--
>Hardy 
>-----

Purpose??  I think you're assuming here that our enlightened leadership
*chose* to create the low $.  Doubtful, since it seems this group has
no "purpose"  at all other than to cling to power.

Sorry to venture off into alt.* group territory.  It is true that from
NeXT's point of view the weak dollar could be quite helpful (assuming their
German costs are relatively low), but studies have shown that prices for 
imported goods fall relatively slowly as a currency rises --- there are 
usually many layers of middlemen in imported goods, and each takes the 
opportunity to increase his profit margin.  Only as other competitive 
forces come into play do prices tend to fall.  Just think back to the 
(halcyon) days when the dollar was strong.

tom
From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:01:41 GMT
Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized.



Well I am getting kind of desperate! I ordered the darn
thing a long long long long time ago, and nothing has
arrived. About 3 weeks back I had a call from NeXT
to verify an item in the order...
It's madening that they are not more considerate and
issue a order received message and estimated delivery
date.

Last time, it took 3 months, don't they realize how
bad they look????????????????????????????????????

-- 
Manuel Alberto Ricart
alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: NS 3.0, Appletalk, and Macs
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:42:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.090735.1171@xenon.stgt.sub.org> Ingo Feulner  
<alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org> writes:
> 
> BTW, files without a data fork have a length of 0 bytes on the NeXT. How
> can I see such files (which only have a resource fork) and copy them  
with
> their real length?
> 

I was pretty shocked to see that 3.0 doesn't allow you access to the  
resource fork of Mac files. NeXT seems to think that only the data fork  
contains any data we might be interested in!

The only solution I know of is to use FloppyWorks the good old fashioned  
way, and specify that you want the resource fork. Guess DIT gets to still  
sell a few copies.

Gordon
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From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:01:07 GMT

Charles Fletcher writes
> When NS486 hits the street it will be NT that will be in a panic.
> Get ready to mop up the drool from all the PC owners.
> 

Of course, that all depends on whether NeXT succeeds in hiding  
NS486's very existence from the general public as well as they've  
succeeded in hiding their current products :-)

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: edmbv@alf.uib.no (Bj|rn Asle Valde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT's CD-ROM power?
Summary: CD-ROM power-supply auto-adapts
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:29:25 GMT
Organization: SiO Data NeXTSenter, Bergen, Norway

In article <1992Sep3.005720.24735@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
>Does anybody know if NeXT's CD-ROM works with 240V like their other hardware.
>If it doesn't this is a major fault.
>

The CD-ROM power-supply auto-senses. Should work out-of-the box
most places on this planet. This is as it should be.

Sincerely,

	-bav
-- 
Bjorn Asle Valde     Valde@uib.no    Tel +47-5-317041 Fax +47-5-320238
SiO Data NeXTSenter, Christiesgt.13, N-5015 Bergen, Norway.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Subject: Re: 3.0 is really shipping
Reply-To: sanguish@digifix.com
Organization: Digital Fix Development
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:38:55 GMT

David Pollak writes
> We got our copies of 3.0 yesterday.  They were shipped from NeXT in a box  
> marked MS-DOS 5.0.... (I kid you not)
> 

	Yeah, ours came last Wednesday, in a Windows box.... things get  
stranger and stranger!

-- 
- Scott Anguish -
sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Spreadsheets (was Mesa vs. Appsoft)
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 05:42:41 GMT
Organization: ARDI

David Gursky posted:
>>I'll throw my two cents in to this debate.  The one thing missing from
>>everyone's spreadsheet application is compatibility with Excel...

Excel 3.0a for the Macintosh runs under Executor 1.2 (shipping today).
Excel 4.0 for the Macintosh runs under Executor 1.2.1 (shipping sometime
next week, assuming we get the manuals back from the printer).

	--Cliff[ord T. Matthews]
	ctm@ardi.com
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Archives
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:19:36 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: Synapse Computer Consultants
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I don't know who to mail, but I think it's about time the archives
have a 3.0 release section as there are more and more demos and
bits and pieces that are exclusive to 3.0..

Also...is there any chance of someone compling a Index of
what is on the archives...what it actually does as well as
what it's called and how big it is...

Thanks
Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory)
Subject: upgrade instructions 3.0PR2 -> 3.0?
Organization: Pro Forma
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:05:30 GMT

I am one of the thousands of people waiting patiently for the 3.0 half of my  
CD-ROM/3.0 Upgrade bundle to arrive.  However, I "have access to" a 3.0 CD,  
because it came with a friend's Station which already had 3.0 installed.  There  
is an "Upgrade_3.0" on the CD, but when you try to run it, it says it wants to  
be owned by root and be setuid; "see your system manager for assistance".  I  
love that line; I AM THE FRIKIN SYSTEM MANAGER! is my universal reaction.  What  
they really mean to say is, "ask a UNIX weenie for assistance".

But I digress.  The problem in this case is that I know how to do those things  
to Upgrade_3.0.app; what I don't know is what instructions I am missing, like  
"do a rm foo.bar, or your system will self destruct during the upgrade."  Can  
someone let me know what to do?  Specifically for 3.0PR2 to 3.0, which I assume  
doesn't require a floppy.

Thanks in advance.
--J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Subject: Re: 3.0 is really shipping
Reply-To: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Organization: Athena Design, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:06:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.045918.25941@Princeton.EDU>  
ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
> 
> We have 3.0 up and running on some NeXTs here at Princeton:
> 
> Sep  8 04:57:17 window mach: NeXT Mach 3.0: Wed Jul 29 19:43:28 PDT  
1992;
> root(rcbuilder):mk-127.15/BUILD/RELEASE_M68K
> 
> The kernel was obviously built after 3.0 beta shipped.  Our friendly cs  
stooges  
> installed it over the weekend.  It seems stable.
> 
> No one told me not to tell anyone.
> 

We got our copies of 3.0 yesterday.  They were shipped from NeXT in a box  
marked MS-DOS 5.0.... (I kid you not)

David
-- 
David Pollak - dpp@athena.com - NeXTMail Compliant
Attorney at Law,
Feeder of the Bears, Athena Design, Inc.
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: CD-ROM titles
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:22:01 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I've been noticing the different CD-ROMs out there and the 
bundles that come with them since getting my NeXT CD-ROM without 3.0
(as I ordered them not to be shipped seperate).  Anyway, Sony's 
CDU7205 seems to be the exact same piece of hardware (its white) but its 
bundled with "World Atlas", "Languages of the World", "Microsoft Bookshelf",
"Compton's Family Encyclopedia", "National Geographic's Encyclopedia of
Mammals", "Mixed-Up Mother Goose", etc.  It would be nice if someone
offered a bundle of CD's for around a $100.00 so that we all could have 
something to play with while waiting on NS 3.0.  DAK started all my 
wondering with their CD library that can't be purchased without buying
their CD-ROM player and the same policies are in effect for many of the other 
companies including Sony.  Has anyone been able to acquire the Sony library
even though the drive is labled NeXT.  Just wondering though I hope to be
quite satisfied with 3.0 when ever it gets here.  By the way, I ordered it
sometime in the middle of May and I hope you all are wrong about the delay.

maurices
From: jh6l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph A. Hollowood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Settings for Microcom?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:06:52 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know the proper dip switch settings
for a Microcom QX/V.32c MNP Class 9 modem?

I have it attached to an '040 NeXTcube and
I want to use it for SLIP purposes, but I am
unable to dial out with it.

I have the '040 modem cable and the DTR light comes
on, but dialing never occurs.

Any insight?  Please mail responses to me directly.
Thanks.

Joe

_______________
joe hollowood
-cmu NeXT cc-
From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A Posting Policy for Comp.Sys.NeXT.Announce
Keywords: $ KIIS KISS CSNA comp.sys.next.announce
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:44:12 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology

In article <1992Sep4.223222.10269@tetrasoft.com> Joseph R. Grace <jgrace@TetraSoft.com> writes:
>
>this pricing issue has become gross and unwieldy.  

Hear, hear.  Since we can't seem to take a vote on this issue, let me
pose this two part question:

1.  Are there prices in the slick TV advertisements you see from Apple or
    IBM or Microsoft or Intel?  This is for a reason.  Ask yourself why
    not.

2.  Are there prices in Consumer Reports?  This is for a reason.  Ask
    yourself why.

Steve
  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:15:27 GMT

In article <92Sep10.034631.23074@acs.ucalgary.ca>, bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes:
> It's far from clear just why it happens but...
> 
> Trying to read ANY file from the Windows NT July prerelease
> CD-ROM panics the NeXT 3.0 kernel.  You can see the filesystem,
> just don't open anything.
> 
> Does this mean that NeXT can handle NT's existance, but the
> details make them panic?  I don't wanna know.
> 
> Blake

We were able to read the Windows NT CD-ROM files using a SPARCSTATION II with
a CD-ROM drive.                    

Richard Dib
AT&T BL

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: moksha!mgb (Michael Branton)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: PLI Infinity 44 MB Removable Cartridge drive,
Reply-To: mgb@stetson.bitnet
Organization: Totally Disorganized
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.025730.11103@dtint.uucp> nevin@dtint.dtint.com writes:
> Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
> 
> FOR SALE: PLI Infinity 44 MB Removable Cartridge drive,
> plus 2 cartridges. Purchased about a year ago from
> NeXTConnection.
> 
.
.
.
> Pricing starts at $450.00 (I pay freight and all C.O.D.
> and/or charge card fees).  Price will be reduced $2.00
> per day after 9/4/92 until sold.  I can take VISA or
> MASTERCARD, as well as ship C.O.D.
> 
> Other than this $2.00 per day automatic price reduction,
> the price is non-negotiable (I'm sure it will sell
> eventually).
> 
>
 
I bought a brand new Syquest 44Meg drive (including one cartridge)
from Relax for $425.00 about 3 months ago. It works great (even 
though it's not black.)

-- 


-Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: why NeXT is still having credibility problems
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:00:28 GMT

Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

>One nice thing about a Macintosh is that you can walk in to any number
>of stores and walk out with a machine.  If you can't find what you
>want at the store, there are 800 numbers you can call and you'll have
>it on your porch the next day.  This is, unfortunately, not the case
>with NeXT.  NeXT cannot claim to be an industry leader while it still
>has the customer service and ordering mechanism of a garage operation.

Tell that to the people on this campus who were promised their
orders of Quadra 900's MONTHS ago and keep getting the 'oh, it will
be another 6 weeks' from Apple.  Apple is far from saintly. (maybe
they are fairly quick on Mac Classics, but they obviously can't
handle the high-end machines they're advertising.)  The lead time
board in our campus's computer store has 2-4 weeks for a few Apple
systems, most are 6 to 10 weeks.  NeXT systems have an average of
2-4 weeks, that I've seen lately.



>Story 3:

>It also isn't very tactful to lower the price on the CD-ROM late in
>the summer by another $150 before the suckers who paid the higher
>price received theirs.

Can you tell me how much it was, and on what date the price was
changed?  As far as I know, it has been $695 minus educational
discount if that applies ever since the CD-ROM/3.0 bundle was
announced. (I may have missed something, though)

>I would have been seriously pissed if I had picked overnight shipping!
>But, I am more than a little bit disturbed that a FAXed customer
>order, with credit card information, lay unprocessed at NeXT for ten
>days.
If you pick the 'rush' service and pay the extra charge, your order
gets processed much more rapidly.  

All I can say is - I've seen many computer makers committ these
types of errors you speak of.  I'm sorry you have had such bad luck
with your orders, but I've seen the same badness throughout the
market.
(Gateway 2000 sitting on an order for 3 weeks before acknowledging
that it will take another 4 weeks to get a system; how about those
>45 minute-on-hold jobs when calling Apple's Higher-Ed hotline just
to process an order?  I have seen it in our campus computer store)

Hopefully NeXT Order Mgmt is working to better itself.
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: arrigo@cube.sublink.org (Arrigo Benedetti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Rumors about NeXTworld!?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:03:46 GMT
Reply-To: arrigo@cube.sublink.org
Organization: Arrigo Benedetti


Today I heard some rumors about NeXTworld taking place around March 1st
1993. Can anyone confirm that?

-arrigo
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University of Bologna                benedett@deis01.cineca.it
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Via S. Agata, 11               Tel:  (home)   +39 59 224929
41100 Modena - Italy                 (office) +39 59 216688 (fax) +39 59 220727
From: pra@iesd.auc.dk (Peter Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Status of NeXT in Europe ?
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: pra@iesd.auc.dk
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


I think discussions have been quite good here lately -
bringing me to my questions.

- How is status for NeXT in Europe outside the educational sector ?
- And how are job possibilities ?   :-)

Regards Peter

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