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From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:15:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <athos-140892101602@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.185205.5751@clipper.ingr.com>, ald@clipper.ingr.com
>(Al Date) wrote:
>
>> >I would hope that any court would try me for murder if I, say, attacked a 6
>> >month pregnant woman and intentionally "killed" the "thing" growing within
>> >her.
>> >
>> 
>> You see no difference between that and a woman deciding to abort her
>> own fetus because she has found that it is hopelessly brain dead?
>
>What are you saying: it's murder if I do it, but not if she does it?
>--

Yep.  It is her universe, not yours, not mine, not society's.  
You can violate her, but she cannot violate herself.  Only she
can define the rights of the life within her.


--Al Date
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Subject: Re: Clueless recruiter alert!
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:29:31 GMT

edwardc@netcom.com (Ed Coughlin) writes:
>mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael G. Berch) writes:
>
>>As you know, a number of job postings show up in ba.jobs.misc (which
>>is for employment discussions) that should be in ba.jobs.offered,
>>where people will be looking for them.  So I put together a polite little
>>form letter that I send to people who post job postings to
>>ba.jobs.misc.  I usually get a pleasant reply, or no reply, but most
>>people get the ides and post future ads to ba.jobs.offered.
>
>>[..tale of mishandled complaint letter...]
>
>I'm sorry that your name and email address did mistakenly get entered
>into the desirable list of candidates.  That has been corrected now
>and it has been switched.  I won't apologize for getting a huge 
>response to my posting and hence mistakenly placing your name in with
>a large list of interested individuals.  Nor for sending my posting
>to a news group entitled ba.jobs.misc (miscellaneous?) maybe with
>all your free time you should lobby for changing that name to 
>ba.job.discusion.group.for.michael.   Honestly what some people do
>on their boss' time.

I'm sorry, Mr. Coughlin, but you and and a lot of other people 
*are* clueless when it comes to the proper use of newsgroups such as
ba.jobs.misc.  If you would take the time to:
 *  read the "netiquette" documentation periodically posted 
    in news.announce.newusers, 
 *  ask someone via email what the posting dos-and-donts are,
 *  post a short, 5 line article requesting someone advise you 
    on the posting conventions,
you would not get email from folks like Michael telling you you're 
out of line.

Recruiters are very busy people (I've lived with one, it's not a cushy
job, stress-wise), but you strike me as unprofessional and just
plain rude.  First, for not bothering to find out what should be
posteed where (and I've inadvertently posted to the wrong group, and 
I bet Michael has also).  Second, for not apologizing for wasting
Michael's time, my time (BTW, I read news after hours and on weekends), 
and the whole net's<*> time.  Third, for insinuating ("maybe with 
all your free time..") that your time is more valuable than Michael's 
time, or my time, or the whole net's time.

<*> ("whole net" = all the people who read ba.jobs.misc).  

Mr. Coughlin, I have no objections to people listing job openings in
Usenet groups, be they recruiter, department manager, group leader, or
HR specialist.  I do object to people who can't be bothered with
learning and following a minimal set of guidelines, or who refuse to 
take polite hints not to repeat a violation of said guidelines.

Shape up or ship out ......

Art Nicolaysen
art@wvus.org

-- 
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered
From: kalam@usc.edu (Kamran Alam)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: WESTECH JOB EXPO at SANTA CLARA
Date: 15 Aug 1992 00:24:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

Disclaimer: ALL informations are gathered through USENET. I'm not
responsible for any wrong information.

	This is a partial list of the companies that are participating 
@ WESTECH JOB EXPO. List is growing everyday.
		LOCATION: SANTA CLARA CONVENTION CENTER
		DATE: 17-18 AUGUST 1992

Advanced Micro Devices
Altera Corp.
Amdahl Corp.
Ampex Corp.
Applied Magnetics Corp.
Applied Signal Technology
AT&T Microelectronics
Bank of America
Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Booz Allen & Hamilton
Cadence Design Systems
cisco Systems, Inc.
Compuware Corp.
Electric Power Research Institute
ESL
Exel Microelectronics
First Pacific Network
GRid Systems Corp.
GTE Govt. Systems
Gupta Technologies
HaL Computer Systems 
Harris Corporation - Farinon Division
Hercules Computer Technology
Honeywell Satellite Systems Operation
Hughes LAN Systems
Informix Software, Inc.
Integrated Device Technology
Intel Corp.
Lexmark Corp.
Lockheed Corp., Advanced Development Company
Marathon Systems
Martin Marietta Information Systems
Maxtor Corp.
Micron Technology, Inc.
Motorola, Inc. Semiconductor Products Sector
National Semiconductor
NEC Electronics
Net Express, Inc.
Network General Corp.
Novell
Oracle Corp.
PacTel Corp.
Raynet
Raytheon Semiconductor
Read-Rite Corp.
Seagate Technology
Silicon Systems
Stanford University Hospital
Stanley, Barber and Assoc.
Sterling Software
Sybase, Inc.
SynOptics Communications, Inc.
System Integrators, Inc.
Texas Instruments
Tiburon Systems, Inc.
Trident Systems
Video Cipher Division General Instrument Corp.
Visa USA
VMX Inc.
Western Digital Corp.
Zilog


















Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: robert@kohlrabi.tcs.com (Robert Blumen)
Subject: Re: Clueless recruiter alert!
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:26:29 GMT

 >I won't apologize for getting a huge 
 >response to my posting and hence mistakenly placing your name in with
 >a large list of interested individuals.  Nor for sending my posting
 >to a news group entitled ba.jobs.misc (miscellaneous?) 

Even though the group is called ba.jobs.misc, that does not mean that any
posting having anything to do with any job is appropriate for posting to
this group.  This group is not for positions offered - there is another
group for that!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Blumen                          | robert@tcs.com
Senior Software Engineer               | 2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA 94704
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3759
From: kehres@ima.com (Tim Kehres)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Clueless recruiter alert!
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:41:44 GMT
Organization: International Messaging Associates, Menlo Park, California

In article <4678@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
> Ed Coughlin <edwardc@netcom.com> writes:
: 
> 	small industry isn't it?
> 
> Is that a threat to Michael or something?  What exactly do you mean by
> that?  Do you mean that as a wink-nudge to Michael that he should be
> careful not to flame recruiters since he may need one someday?

Having had the pleasure of working closely with Michael for several years,
I can't imagine him being ever being desperate to find a headhunter to
work with.

Small industry?  Well, now that you mention it, yes - and it relates to
recruiters as well.  Perhaps even more...

Best Regards,

Tim Kehres
From: kalam@usc.edu (Kamran Alam)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Job expo info wanted
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:00:57 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu


	Hi! I was wondering how to obtain a list of companies
that are participating in  WESTECH @ Santa Clara next week. Any
Suggestions ??
Many Thanks,

Kamran       E-mail : kalam@usc.edu
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Clueless recruiter alert!
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:04:03 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Ed Coughlin <edwardc@netcom.com> writes:

	I won't apologize for getting a huge response to my posting and
	hence mistakenly placing your name in with a large list of
	interested individuals.

Why, because it's SOP for recruiters to do things without thinking?

	Honestly what some people do on their boss' time.

Like taking phone calls from recruiters?  #1 pet peeve of mine is some
bottom crawler cold calling me and asking for a rundown of my resume
after telling me of "all the exciting jobs he's trying to fill" -- but
then won't tell me what the jobs entail.  At least I can read news
while waiting for a compile to finish.

Besides, if you think that you know for sure when mcb reads news and
how it pertains to his paid position and whether or not his employer
gets good value for his salary, I suggest you might be in the wrong
business.

	small industry isn't it?

Is that a threat to Michael or something?  What exactly do you mean by
that?  Do you mean that as a wink-nudge to Michael that he should be
careful not to flame recruiters since he may need one someday?

It's not too small to avoid recruiters like you ...

-----

mcb: it probably doesn't matter much to note this guy's name, since
headhunters never give their real name anyway ...

/jordan
From: nc@cup.portal.com (Net Work Connections)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Subject: ** KERNEL - REAL-TIME UNIX KERNEL Developers, Mt.View, Ca **
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 10:42:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba



                        *******************************
                        *    UNIX KERNEL DEVELOPERS   *
                        *******************************
                        
A very successful, profitable, high technology company in the South Bay
area has immediate openings for UNIX KERNEL DEVELOPERS.

A BSCS or equivalent with more than 6 years of experience of UNIX
internal, real-time kernel and debugger.  Must also be proficient in
C, C++ a plus, 68000 or 88000 or RS3000 assembly.

If you are interested, please e-mail or US mail your resume to:

e-mail:                  nc@cup.portal.com

                         NETWORK CONNECTIONS
                         936 Matterhorn Ct.
                         Milpitas, CA 95035.
                         Attn: Ms. Kim Lee

or FAX your resume to:   (408) 946-1513
or call Kim Lee at:      (408) 263-4661                    


** All inquiries/resumes will be held in STRICT CONFIDENCE.
************************************************************************
** SORRY!! we DO NOT have opennings for RECENT GRADUATES at this time ** 
************************************************************************
From: freeman@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Ralph D. Freeman)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered,ucb.jobs
Subject: IXI - Technical Support Engineer needed (San Ramon, CA)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 02:11:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: freeman@pinoko.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: simple.berkeley.edu
Keywords: UNIX, X Window System, X/Motif

POSITION AVAILABLE:

Technical Support Engineer

You will provide the first line of software support (i.e. first point of 
contact) for IXI's North American customers.  You will be responsible for
solving problems and answering questions directed to the technical support
facility at IXI's headquarters in San Ramon, CA.

Requirements include proficiency in UNIX, X Window System, X/Motif  
programming;
a BS in Computer Science and/or Engineering; and 2-3 years software  
development or support experience.  Strong interpersonal skills are  
essential.

Founded in 1987, IXI is a leading developer and supplier of Motif-based 
software.  Our corporate objective is to make it easier for non-technical 
users to exploit the power of UNIX computers.  IXI is helping users bring 
information and resources together in an easy to use and efficient graphical 
environment.

IXI offers attractive salary/benefits package.  Equal Opportunity Employer.

E-mail resume to:  support@ixi.com
Organization: Scientific Placement, Inc.
X-Charset: MACINTOSH
From: BGE@spi.com (BGE)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:34:05 CST    
Subject: CA-Quality Assurance 
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Distribution: ca

Job Title & Location

CA-Quality Assurance
Premier Silicon Valley software company is looking for a SQA Engineer.
Successful candidates should have 4 yrs (minimum) experience with at least 1
year in development and 2 years in QA. Must be proficient in C, well versed
in SQA methodology and come from a DBMS or Graphics environment.
 Please send resume with salary info to:

Beth Evancheck
Scientific Placement, Inc., Box 71, San Ramon, CA 94583
510-733-6168  Fax: 713-496-6802
Internet: bge@scientific.com; Compuserve: 71250,3001; AppleLink: Scientific;
Genie: D.SMALL6; AOL: DaveSmall; BIX: Scientific

Formats: Ascii text via Email preferred. Macintosh or PC Word processor
formats are OK via Email (binhex). Please do not send LaTex or Postscript.
Fax is discouraged unless Fine Setting on your fax machine is used (to
enable OCR scanning). US Mail on 3.5 inch diskette is OK too.

Immigration status: You must be a U.S. or Canadian Citizen or have a
Permanent Residence Visa. 

New graduates: Employers utilize the college placement offices to hire new
graduates. They do not employ recruiting firms for this purpose. We are
unable to assist recent graduates.



Beth Evancheck
Scientific Placement, Inc., P.O. Box 71, San Ramon, CA 94583
510-733-6168
BGE@Scientific.com -or- SCIENTIFIC@APPLELINK.APPLE.COM

Xref: sparky ba.jobs.offered:1751 misc.jobs.offered:10254
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Software position at Cisco in Menlo Park
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:05:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


We are Cisco Systems. We have maintained our position as world-leader
in the dynamic Internetworking market for 5 years! We are still one of
the fastest growing companies in the country! We have been recognized
by the media as one of the most desireable companies to work for in America!

If you share our commitment to excellence, we are interested in talking!

We are currently recruiting for the following position:

Software Engineer


We are looking for a Senior developer to work on routing protocol
software. We would like to find an individual who has worked with
OSPF, EGP, BGP, ISIS or other OSI protocols. A seasoned professional
with 5 or more years of overall experience and a sound knowledge of
internetworking would be great!

We are looking for someone with extensive experience in a Unix and C
environment, and  with protocols or algorithm development experience.

Although we ask a lot, we have a lot to offer! We have multiple career
paths for those who enjoy networking technology. An industry leader,
we offer an opportunity to work with on state of the art technology in a
highly challenging environment.

To apply for this position....


Send your resume as follows:

ascii format only to rfelix@cisco.com

fax to 415-688-8282

mail to : Cisco Systems
          1525 O'Brien Dr.
          Menlo Park, Ca. 95025
          Attn: R. Felix

Thanks!!!
From: sharonh@Rational.COM (Sharon Hertle)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Subject: RATIONAL, Santa Clara, Pre-post Sales Engineering Opportunities
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:02:16 GMT
Distribution: ba,ca
Organization: Rational, Santa Clara, CA


Rational is a well established company dedicated to the development
of state-of-the-art software engineering technology and integrated
tools for large-scale software development. Privately held and
managed, Rational is poised to grow significantly in the 1990s
with their integrated software engineering environments and object-
oriented analysis and design software engineering tools targeted
to Ada and C++ markets.

Come join us in one of the positions described below and help us
define the leading edge of software engineeing technology.
Located in Santa Clara, we offer competitive compensation,
complete benefits package and flex hours.

TECHNICAL CONSULTANTS/REPRESENTATIVES

Provide pre- and post sales technical support and solutions. Work
with customers to ensure the adoption of Rational's products and
services through demonstrations, training, and toolbuilding. 
Requires 5+ years hands-on experience developing software in Ada
and knowledge of OO methods a plus. Project lead experience on
large coding projects a definite plus. Opportunities are
available to support large accounts in the Bay Area and in
Vancouver.

Send you resume to Sharon Hertle, RATIONAL, 3320 Scott Blvd.,
Santa Clara, CA 95054, Voice (408) 496-3774, FAX (408) 496-3636,
or e-mail sharonh@Rational.com.
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
From: ruthann@netcom.com (Ruthann Plucknett)
Subject: System Admin/Support
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:39:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba


NETCOM On-line Communication is seeking a person with a minimum
of 1 year UNIX System admin/support experience.  This position
includes benefits, paid holidays and vacation. Applicants must 
have good communication skills and proof of previous work 
experience.  This position is available now.  Please send your
resume to ruthann@netcom.com (no calls please).


________________________________________________________________
Ruthann Plucknett                             ruthann@netcom.com
NETCOM On-line Communication Services     Account Representitive
From: marc@porsche944.Eng.Sun.COM (Marc)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Software Engineer Positions at CEMAX, Fremont, CA
Keywords: software, engineer, medical, imaging
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: marc@porsche944.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: porsche944


I am posting for a friend, DO NOT RESPOND TO ME!


------------------------------




Software Engineering Positions Available

CEMAX develops and markets innovative software for the medical imaging industry.
We specialize in developing medical applications for computed tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance (MR) imaging equipment. CEMAX develops its software for
industry standard Unix workstations as well as for the industry's leading
medical scanner systems. We are currently seeking individuals for the following
three positions. 


X Windows Imaging Consultant or Software Engineer

We seek a heavy-duty X Windows Image Display/User Interface person, with several
years of experience developing products involving the display of images with X Windows and Motif. Knowledge of XIE, X Windows colormap handling, and low-level
Xlib performance optimization is desired. Experience with Sun workstations and medical or multimedia applications would be helpful. Start-up experience or
significant exposure to object-oriented programming techniques involving images would be a plus. Must be self-motivated, high powered, and have good people skills.

Software Q.A. Engineer

We seek an experienced, hands-on Software Q.A. Engineer to assume all the software Q.A. and testing functions for our Engineering department. This person
must have significant prior Software Q.A. experience in a Unix workstation
environment and must be capable of performing numerous Q.A. functions, including
bug tracking, developing test suites and writing automated test scripts. A B.S. in Computer Science (or equivalent) and C programming experience is required.
Experience with image processing, medical or multi-media applications would be
helpful. Experience with developing and/or using automated test tools would be
a plus. Must be self-motivated, technically competent and have good people
skills.

Software Engineer

We seek a Software Engineer with 3-5 years experience to develop camera control software for our image filming sub-system. This person must have strong software
engineering skills and be fluent in C under Unix. A degree in Computer Science (or equivalent) is required. This person should have experience writing 
hardware control programs and Unix device drivers. Experience writing software for multiple Unix platforms will be beneficial as will experience developing software under X/Motif.


Please mail resumes to:

Human Resources Dept.

Cemax Inc.
46750 Fremont Blvd., Suite 207
Fremont, CA 94538

No e-mail responses please. Principals only.
From: marc@porsche944.Eng.Sun.COM (Marc)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered
Subject: Software Potitions at CEMAX, Fremont, Ca.
Keywords: software, engineer, programer, medical, imaging
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:05:27 GMT
Reply-To: marc@porsche944.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: porsche944


I am posting for a friend, DO NOT RESPOND TO ME!


------------------------------




Software Engineering Positions Available

CEMAX develops and markets innovative software for the medical imaging industry.
We specialize in developing medical applications for computed tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance (MR) imaging equipment. CEMAX develops its software for
industry standard Unix workstations as well as for the industry's leading
medical scanner systems. We are currently seeking individuals for the following
three positions. 


X Windows Imaging Consultant or Software Engineer

We seek a heavy-duty X Windows Image Display/User Interface person, with several
years of experience developing products involving the display of images with X Windows and Motif. Knowledge of XIE, X Windows colormap handling, and low-level
Xlib performance optimization is desired. Experience with Sun workstations and medical or multimedia applications would be helpful. Start-up experience or
significant exposure to object-oriented programming techniques involving images would be a plus. Must be self-motivated, high powered, and have good people skills.

Software Q.A. Engineer

We seek an experienced, hands-on Software Q.A. Engineer to assume all the software Q.A. and testing functions for our Engineering department. This person
must have significant prior Software Q.A. experience in a Unix workstation
environment and must be capable of performing numerous Q.A. functions, including
bug tracking, developing test suites and writing automated test scripts. A B.S. in Computer Science (or equivalent) and C programming experience is required.
Experience with image processing, medical or multi-media applications would be
helpful. Experience with developing and/or using automated test tools would be
a plus. Must be self-motivated, technically competent and have good people
skills.

Software Engineer

We seek a Software Engineer with 3-5 years experience to develop camera control software for our image filming sub-system. This person must have strong software
engineering skills and be fluent in C under Unix. A degree in Computer Science (or equivalent) is required. This person should have experience writing 
hardware control programs and Unix device drivers. Experience writing software for multiple Unix platforms will be beneficial as will experience developing software under X/Motif.


Please mail resumes to:

Human Resources Dept.

Cemax Inc.
46750 Fremont Blvd., Suite 207
Fremont, CA 94538

No e-mail responses please. Principals only. 
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered