HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Radians; BMW helmets
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 00:52:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I just took the MSF introductory riding course and passed the written test
for a learner's permit.  The next step, of course, is to buy a motorcycle.

Almost everyone I've talked to has said something liek "Buy something small
and not too powerful to start out with.  It should be cheap so you won't
mind too much when it falls over, which it will.  Then trade it in for a
bigger bike in six months or a year, and you'll be able to get back most of
what you paid for it."  Sounds like reasonable advice to me, provided I can
find a bike that fits those criteria.

I've looked at various new and used bikes at dealers (amazingly expensive,
some of those used bikes).  One bike I've seen that I liked is the Radian.
It's not too big, but it will have enough power to get up hills (San
Francisco has lots of hills) and to take on the freeway.

Any comments from current or former Radian owners?  Are there any years I
should avoid?  What should they cost?  

Also, one of the MSF instructors had a helmet made by BMW which has a
fold-up jaw.  It looks much easier than a regular helmet to put on if you
wear glasses, which I do.  I plan to go to Europe later this year, so I'll
be able to buy one.  Should I?  Are they as safe as regular helmets?  Are
they approved for use in the US, California in particular?   

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <pmvntao@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
>
>The FAQ mentions cutting chunks out of the foam liner to
>allow room for glasses.  Is this really a good idea?
>Does it WORK?  Should I get sport glasses or something
>like that?  What solutions have you visually challenged 
>experienced riders found?

I just leave the glasses at home, wear a very dark faceshield, and
ride by feel.  An oft-overlooked benefit of a loud pipe is that it
serves as a crude, but somewhat effective sonar.

Seriously, I'm overdue for a new helmet, and fitting glasses in is
important to me, too.  Does anyone have, or has anyone even seen or
tried the new Bell M3?  I realize Bell has slipped in favor since I
owned my last one a few years back.  But I can get such a deal on a
Bell (50% of retail), that it may be worth choosing over Arai or Shoei.
What about the Bell Sport 2000?
--

P.M. Smith
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: re: Yamaha 650 vertical twin club?
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:39:32 GMT

Dr. Dave <davidh@garfield.cs.mun.ca> says:

	I am still hoping someone might help me find
	the address of a club of owners of Yamaha 650
	vertical twins.  The address was posted last
	year and I lost it.  I have receieved email
	from a few people asking for it also, should I 
	find out.  One person said he knew it existed and
	that the address appeared in a magazine called
	Classic Bike some time ago.

There was a club for Yamaha vertical twins a while ago, but they
had to disband when most of the members got carpal tunnel
syndrome induced by handlebar vibration. All their bikes were
converted to paint mixers at about the same time.

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:53:47 GMT
Subject: Re: CBR center stand: doesn't fit CA model. Dealer didn't tell me this.
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:

>stand bracket is supposed to be. So the center stand bracket is not
>on the CA model. Then I looked at the instruction sheet that came
>in the box and it said "49 state model only".

   Same thing with the VFR750.  Having just purchased a Californicated
VFR and spent mucho bucks to get the 7 pounds of canister, hoses, tubing
and valves removed, re-jetting to compensate for it, I can now say it
was worth it.  You can feel the difference.  CA is a nice place to
visit, just don't buy anything motorized there...

Ken `2 wheels good' Snyder

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: >wheelies
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:03:07 GMT

>In article <viking.716017152@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes in response to me:
>>
>>>>	So what's to keep the motor from locking up when climbing a hill?
>>>>Mine's a dry sump so I don't worry too much, but in Colorado or any other
>>>>mountainous state this sounds like a serious flaw.  The oil pump intake
>>>>should work for everything under a 70 degree incline to be safe.
>>
>>>70 degrees?  When's the last time you saw a paved road with a 70 degree
>>>incline?  :')
>>
>>	You mean you have paved roads?  Geez, what I luxury!  We could only
>>*dream* of paved roads!

	Roads?  We *dreamed* we had a road!

	Well!  When I was growing up, there were 127 of us living in a shoebox
in the middle of a cowpath!  We had to work 16 hours a day for tuppence, and 
when we got home, our dad fed us a shovelful of hot gravel for
dinner, beat the daylights out of us, and sent us to bed.  If we were lucky,
we got to hold on to sticks and run up and down the path making engine noises
before dad broke the stick over our heads!

	Kids today, they just don't appreciate life...

(Take up the thread, Jon :-)
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Fiamms don't wave!
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:41:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1549
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

They don't! I've been watching closely, and never seen one wave.
Even Stebel's may sometimes give a nod or two.


(Grab two recent threads, combine them into a new subject, and stand back!
 Hey, it worked for Dana. How come nothing ever works for me?)



Martin Golding             | Old Ducatis never die,
Dod #236 0354 .EC          |  they just keep on trucking.
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin
From: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Accident Report!!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:43:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG)
NNTP-Posting-Host: danskin.berkeley.edu

From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)

	>In article  <186tmjINNt2m@agate.berkeley.edu>
zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG 	>YANG) writes:
	>  (details of particularly grisly accident)
	>>It just happened that there was this girl walking cross the street,

	>Sir:

	>Just for the record (since it doesn't appear to be on the Accident Report):

	>Was >this girl< carrying/chasing any Tennis Balls??

	>Thank you.

Thank you for asking for the details. So, I assume that you interested more in
this gal than the accident itself. (You know what, you are single-track-minded)

Just not to disappoint you, let me tell you a little more about her.
Her name is Tracy, and she helped me out that day, and now we are very
good friends...She likes riding on ma moto.............................

So, satisfied? 
why don't you tell me where to get a cheap fairing for my EX500?

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Zijiang Yang                 |   Honda Magna 86 700cc, Kawasaki 89 EX500   |
|                              |   Dod # 582                                 |
| zyang@kuhn.berkeley.edu      |   "When he gets money, he wants to buy toys"|
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady)
Subject: Re: 92 CBR600F2 for sale
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:13:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <u0HoqB3w165w@salzo.Cary.NC.US> arnold@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Arnold) writes:
>For Sale:
>1992 Honda CBR600F2 Motorcycle
    [ Stuff Deleted ]
>Asking $6200 for all

Even with the accessories, it seems kind of high priced, considering I just paid $5K 
for a brand-new 92 CBR. Must be because it's the red/white one rather than the
squidly black/pink/purple one... :-)

Golly, if used CBR's sell for that, mine will be a better return on investment than my
H-D stock!!! :-)

--pete

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete Brady                              EMAIL: brady_p@apollo.hp.com
                                        PHONE: 508-436-5226
DoD #5831 -- '92 CBR600F2 -- Any FLH's looking for a home, contact me...
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:02:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <pmvntao@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
>---
>I went window shopping today for safety equipment: jackets 
>and gloves and helmets.  I found some Shoei helmets that 
>fit just fine... but I can't get my glasses on.  I can't 
>fit the helmet on over the glasses, and if I sneak the 
>helmet on with my glasses off, I find can't shove the 
>earpieces through that close-fitting foam.  My glasses 
>are the kind that have semi-circular ear hooks instead 
>of nearly-straight earpieces, which complicates the issue.
>
>The FAQ mentions cutting chunks out of the foam liner to
>allow room for glasses.  Is this really a good idea?
>Does it WORK? 

 I think it's a _really_ stupid idea, but then I like to
 have helmets which work as designed. If I was a helmet
 designer for someone like Shoei, I would feel qualified
 to cut the liner up. Not otherwise.

 Why don't you give them a ring and ask what they suggest:

       Shoei Safety Helmet Corporation
       (213) 477-6051

 I use glasses with fairly conventional stems so that I
 don't have this problem. 

 It gets better as the helmet breaks in - my new X-8
 is finally breaking in after maybe 10 or 15 hrs of wear.

 Stef

--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs     me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
"If you're going to crash, then do it on the first lap because then you
don't wear the engine out for nothing." - Jon Ekerold, 350cc World Champion
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Ohio Getogether
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:52:47 GMT

There is no charge for the A.M.A. Museum.  They do have a donation bucket
out front and it's very subtle - no pressure.

To get to the A.M.A. and Museum from 

the North:  I-71 South to Columbus
            Exit at 270 (Wheeling)
            Exit 270 at Cleveland Avenue North (1st exit off 270 2nd turn)
            Follow Cleveland Avenue north to where the four lanes turn
               to 2 lanes (McDonalds on right).
            Turn right on Main St. and 100 yards to light at Collegeview.
            Turn right on Collegeview.  
            AMA is first building on right on Collegeview.  Park in front
                or side of building.

the South:  I-71 straight through Columbus
            Exit at I-270 (Wheeling)
            Follow above directions

East and West:  Follow I-270 to Cleveland Avenue exit.  Follow above direc-
tions.

Arnie Skurow
From: rekstad@persoft.com (Rex Rekstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: 1954 Harley For Sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:01:54 GMT
Organization: Persoft, Inc.

From: rekstad@persoft.com (Rex Rekstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles	 
Subject: For Sale
Summary: 1954 Harley
Followup-To: rekstad@persoft.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Persoft, Inc.
Keywords: harley,for sale,excellant

For Sale: 1954 Harley Davidson, 10 over wide glide front end, 4 inch high boy,
wishbone frame, one or two solo seats attached at a time, 5 gallon fat bobs,
18 inch front wheel with trimmed fender, stock rear fender, 400 miles on top
end, flh pistons, 4000 miles on lower end, new paint and exhaust and ready to 
roll. $ 8500 US dollars you pay shipping but i will package it for travel.
- Buy now, I'm trying to buy a house  -

From: rekstad@persoft.com (Rex Rekstad)

-- 
Rex.r
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:08:49 GMT

petterb@dhhalden.no (PETTER BRUSERUD):

>How do you adjust the valves on a '83 (or is it '82) 1000ccm Panhead?
>Would be happy if somebody could tell.

      61 cubic inch Panheads were built from '48 to around '54. They
all had hydraulic valves. To adjust these, crank the engine so that
the valve to be adjusted is at the lowest point on its cam. Adjust
the valve to the point where the pushrod is just free to turn but
does not shake sideways. (I usually tighten them more, then back off
the adjuster while trying to spin the pushrod.) When this point is
reached, TIGHTEN the adjuster 3 FULL turns. The manual will tell you
to mark the adjuster to count the turns, but it's just as easy and
does not put any strange stuff like chalk or paint in the engine if
you just turn the adjuster 18 sides. (Hex bolt = 6 sides X 3 turns =
18 sides) Harley and many aftermarket solid valve systems adjust the
same except for the 3 extra turns.

	Ed Campbell
'57 FL (560,000 mi, 3 rebuilds)
'76 XLCH (136,000 mi, 1st rebuild comming up)
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
			Racer Brown  1954
=====================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh)
Subject: Re: internal prejudice
Organization: My desk in the Tech building
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:40:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171919.7951@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> loki@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) writes:
>
>There seems to be some bias against the Evo series  and in favour of the older
>classic xxxxx-head machines (xxxxx is "shovel, pan, bucket, bottle,
>spoon"...  anything that can hold oil, I guess).
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
                            Oh??

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:46:27 GMT

In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>>please do not clutter a motorcycle newsgroup with your sexual envy.
>>
>>oh, Freenet... must be a Fidonet escapee. that explains your sexual
>>frustration, however this is a motorcycle newsgroup. take it elsewhere.
>
>Gee, and I thought that maybe that way the way you Harlie types
>liked to talk to each other.   If you want to talk about motorcycles,
>at least talk about real motorcycles.  ie, something that goes over
>55 mph, burns more gas than oil, doesn't take 15 minutes to get
>started, and doesn't make you go deaf after riding for a few days.
>
>I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it

Nice bike. Now take this shit to rec.motorcycle where it belongs.
Please note the name of this news group.  It is rec.motorcycle.harley.
Now, for the intellectually challenged, that means we exchange info
on Harleys, got it!?!
--
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Hats off in^H^Hto CT!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:26:18 GMT

The subject says it all.  Several of us Northwest Jersey folks went up
to CT for the weekend to ride free and visit the CT State HOG Rally.  We
had a wonderful time enjoying the wind in our hair (what little I have 
left) on a few hundred miles of back roads saturday and then went to the
rally sunday.

CT held their state rally in a country club/party type of place and it
was one of the nicer rallies I've attended.  Everything except alcohol
was free and there was plenty of food with short lines.  It was worth
the $25 admission because the food was so good and the beer was only
$1.25.  Lots of people won door prizes including me.  I won a limited
edition 1929 HD Roadster car bank currently worth about $30.  Some
folks (mostly kids) enjoyed the swimming pool, others played horseshoes
and a bunch played softball.  Perhaps the unluckly guy that broke his
ankle playing ball would have faired better with a helmet on his foot.

I hope to get back to CT soon.

- Roid
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Noise limits
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:16:38 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	I swear my '56 would exceed the noise regs if it were
	just rolling downhill in gear with the ignition off.
	(which is all it is capable of now, anyway.)
From: dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:52:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Westfield, Massachusetts


In article <1992Sep10.012539.6335@research.nj.nec.com>, 
behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes...

>I thought they were all 74s (1200cc) too.  Am I wrong (Oldchop?)?

The Knucklehead and Panhead engines came in 4 variants.  E and EL engines 
were 61-inchers, with the EL having higher compression, and the F and FL, 
where the FL had higher compression.  I don't know for sure when HD stopped 
producing 61" Panheads.  I believe it was in the mid-50's.

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             dobosz_m%wfooff.enet@decwrl.dec.com 
             dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com               DoD # 0596
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Collector's Harleys $ and frauds
Date: 6 Sep 92 10:43:05 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Two things:
1. ($)
	I've been reading Walnecks for a few years and as you know,
	asking-prices have taken a quantum leap for early Harleys.  

	Does anyone have an idea of what these bikes actually sell
	for?  ("fair market value" is described as the price something
	brings when sold within a reasonable amount of time in an
	open and competitive market.)

2.	How discerning are the buyers of these bikes?  I've been to
	large MC auctions (St. Paul, MN, for example) and seen 
	some rather ingenuine reconstructions going for big bucks.

	By Ingenuine I mean bikes with ater-market fenders, bars,
	levers, hubs, wheels and even frames (Kennedy's makes a beautiful
	repo straight-leg hard-tail frame.)

	The trend to buy look-alikes or approximations is interesting
	in that it _seems_ to indicate an immature market and if this
	is true, then do you think prices for _genuine_ collectibles
	will go through the roof?
From: gt@prosun.first.gmd.de (Gerd Truschinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Good Harley mechanics, gas tanks, and painters
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:24:07 GMT
Organization: GMD Berlin (FIRST)

In article <1992Sep4.221027.7151@godzilla.quotron.com>, rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee) writes:
|> 
|>   Hi everyone,
|> 
|>   For starters, I'd like to say that this is my first posting
|>   to rec.motorcycles.harley even though I've been reading its
|>   postings for the past few weeks. Its a goldmine of info
|>   for Harley owners! 
|> 
|>   [stuff deleted]
|> 
|>   In addition, I just purchased a 3.25 gal. tank from Custom
|>   Chrome and noticed that it had some rusting on the inside
                                          ^^^^^^
To do something against this, put some grain of shot (right word?
means very little bullets) into the tank, go to a good party and
play the rhythm. Some of the lead will deposit on the walls of the
tank and also scratch of the rust. 

|>    
|>   [stuff deleted]
|> 
|>   Richard Yee 
|> 
|>  | 92 Sportster 883 XLH | email: rich@godzilla.quotron.com |
|>             
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From: DHANSEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: U.S. Electra Glide Sport pricing ...?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:05:53 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep12.174838.18373@news.csd.sgi.com>
woofy@sgi.com (Wolfchild) writes:

>>     Does anyone know the U.S. price of a '93 Electra Glide Sport (Red)?
>>
>>- Doug from the Great White North.
>
>Sorry Doug.  Apparently the Electra Glide Sport didn't go over too well in '92
>so it's not being offered in '93.  Too bad-it would have been my next choice
>after the Springer :-(.
>Andy Fabans
>
Guess what Andy?   The FLHS IS AVAILABLE as a 93.  Saw a red one at Town &
Country Cycle (Cement City, MI) just a couple weeks ago.  Had a price tag of
$11,400 on it.  (this is significantly below list, this dealer routinely sells
his bikes below list to attract business; he's quite a ways from an area of
RUB's, so he tries to get them to travel the extra miles in search of the
cheapest price.

Dave Hansen   ---   91 FXRS
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:55:49 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <1992Sep9.052723.420@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>>	Here's two challenges for you and your Ducati:
>>
>>	1) A cross-continent ride without valve maintenance.
>>	   Seems some of these Ducs require expert, expensive
>>	   special-tools valve maintenance very 2,600 miles.
>
[ Chuck explains that valve adjustments on the Duc is not really too
complex, implying that the cross-country challenge would be
acceptable.]

The problem is that if Mr. Hack (the original poster who owns a Duc)
accepted the cross-country challenge he would undoubtedly loose
because the first time he stopped for gas or a bite to eat, his
obnoxious anti-social attitude would get him a black-eye, and he would
go hungry and without gas.

Personally, I'd love to share the road with John's '56 chop and accept
the cross-country challenge.  Wish I could take a few months off work
to do it.

--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com

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