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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'together' & 'at ease..' 
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:25:32 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

rickc@agora.uucp (Rick Coates) said...
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>>In <17886@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>>[...] The surprising thing is, there aren't many (any?) postings on
>>>soc.bi like this. Have you all got yourselves together or what?
>                                                ^^^^^^^^
>
>>It is very easy to read the discussions on soc.bi and think that all
>>the posters are perfectly at ease with themselves (and especially their
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>sexuality). 
>
>To change the emphasis of these posts a bit (at least I changed the
>Subject: heading!):
>
>What do people mean by these phrases?  I really don't feel that I'm
>going towards being 'together'; I kinda like being lots of different
>things spread all over.  I do try to be at ease - but to me that means
>accepting of what I am, not abandoning the search for change, or
>considering the possiblity that I have made, or are making, or will
>make serious blunders.

You got it.  I lost the other post about what "together" means to someone,
but i agree - it's an internal consistency, a feeling that you are who you
want to be, and you act how you want to act.

In a medium like soc.bi, some subtleties are lost, so often you don't see
the doubt that is behind some posts.  When someone makes a statement, that
is taken as their one true opinion, while in RL it may be only one facet 
of what they truly (currently) believe.  Everyone has doubts, but some on
soc.bi may appear not to, so they are seen as more "together".

-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:45:15 GMT

In article <17886@acorn.co.uk> Owen Smith, osmith@acorn.co.uk writes:
>Anyway, the person I was talking to asked in what way soc.bi was helpful
to
>me, since she'd felt a bit shunned and ignored when she posted here. 

Strange how we make the electronic world like a conversation, in which we
expect responses immediately.  It is easy to feel ignored or shunned, but
this is created within oneself.  I get many more responses on
rec.backcountry, but just maybe that's because I am much more versed on
the subjects there than here.  Ciaran's reasons for not following up are
perfectly relevant, and I appreciate seeing them.  

Also, I must assume from the number of "I've just now gotten up the nerve
to post" postings that there are those who would reply but don't dare. 
Maybe?  Maybe not.  I would however, call this group cliquey, very much
so compared to other boards, but let's assume this is because of the very
personal nature of the general message, and not a paranoia of
intruders/voyeurs.

And I think Owen is a perfectly nice name for a girl (femme? lady?
female?).  In fact, I think I'll name my first born that.

JB
No signature. no disclaimer.  no explanations to anyone but myself
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: atbowler@thinkage.on.ca (Alan Bowler)
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:32:18 GMT

In article <19920809230456ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:

>Or, I suppose, you could borrow one from your friendly hotel the next
>time you travel. Hell, you'd be doing your fellow travellers a service
>by giving them more room to store their personal stuff in the night
>table. :-)
>

A few years ago CBC radio was interviewing someone from the Gideon
society.  His job was going arround to hotels and restocking the
rooms with Bible's.  He said it was expected that people would
take them, and this was just fine with the Gideons.  They want people
people to have Bibles and this was as good a method as any.

Me, I went and bought on the other day.  I finally have a reference
for those crossword puzzle clues "son of Jacob and Leah" etc.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: "Giving up" Marraige
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:28:25 GMT

it seems to me that asking people to give up
marriage because you can't have it is a bit 
akin to the fox and the grapes.  

and it also seems to me that for all those 
who can to refuse to marry until everyone can
instead of getting marriage rights for all 
may actually aid in the destruction of marriage
as an institution, and any good that it contains. 

if that is your goal, then, ok.  but i can't
support that.  oh, as for those of us with kids...
if you think it is just as easy in american 
culture to raise children *unmarried* as *married*, 
well, then, you obviously haven't tried it.  

peg
-who *will* *not* comment on this aged thread again, 
i swear!

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: PicoReview: Laura & Tom's party
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:52:16 GMT

Orgasmic.

Tom
P.S.  ...for all.
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From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: hot bi babes
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:53:38 GMT
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <10418@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>In article <memo.579270@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>>.... and I _was_ thinking of a very particular pair of lycra leggings 
>>>when I posted that <grin>. They're...umm... *impressive*.
>>
>>I can feel a scan coming on of you wearing them with your Winnie the Pooh 
>>T shirt. [edited to save my blushes]
>
>Well, as I have the negatives....... ah, well, actually thats not _quite_
>true.... Angi... can I have them back now.... please?
>
Oh, please *share* with the rest of us...


-- 
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 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
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From: ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sara's SF visit - a few quotes
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:41:27 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Aug23.025210.7954@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>,
pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) said:
>
>Well after days of saying that we were going to start writing quotes
>down (then saying that we'll remember them and then instantly
>forgetting what was said,) we finally started putting pen to paper.
>
...
>By the way, in all the stuff about Grant's party, I haven't seen any
>mention of the story that one attendee (not on soc.bi) was telling
>about having an escalating arguement in a restaurant about whether
>the phrase "to female ejaculate" was a split infinitive or a
>compound verb.
>
>
>Ellen

That's because *you* kept insisting that you were going to post
it ... we were waiting for you!

Elaine
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Big numbers
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:41:33 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>Oh, just been looking around the news system, and this article's going
>to be #9908 or so for soc.bi... since we missed a little at the start,
>I guess that we're, globally, somewhere about the ten-thousand-messages
>mark.

11689, you post was, on nyx.

>I think that calls for a little celebration, don't you?

For numbers? You computer-geek, you |-)

Tanaqui, celebrating the number 11670
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Announcing...
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:16:03 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Aug10.180808.1028@philabs.philips.com> kts@philabs.philips.com (Kimberley T. Smith) writes:
> 
> 
> I'M A VEGETARIAN!!!!!!!!
> 

(not original - shamelessly stolen from somewhere else)

If vegetarians eat vegetables, I must be a humanitarian.

Nigel 
--
"It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be
thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge"                                                                       Voltaire
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
From: steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Posting articles by email?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:41:56 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

We have a silly new rule here at Acorn that non-permanent staff may
not post news articles (no idea why).  This rule is preventing at
least one person here from posting in this newsgroup (hi David).

Does anyone have/know of a remote posting facility, so that people can
submit articles by email and have them posted from a non-Acorn site?

Thanks in advance for any pointers,

-- Daffy
-- 

				Steve Hunt	steve@acorn.co.uk
Xref: sparky soc.bi:10786 soc.motss:35062
From: silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: queer brains?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 22:25:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

The way I see it, there is no proof that homosexuality is biological. There
is way to prove which came first, the sexual orientation or the brain
structure, from only one examination of each body. I don't think we know
enough about the brain to say that it can't be changed by a persons actions.
Some "experts" think you can develop your left or right side of your brain
by doing certain mental exercises. Maybe the brain adapts to an individuals
actions/preferences/desires to 'disconnect' one mode of behavior and permit
another.

I hope this makes sense. I just think a lot of conclusions were being drawn
inappropriately. It's like going to a hundred deserts and seeing cactus in
every one and concluding that cacti cause desert, so if we get rid of all
cactus, we can eliminate deserts

Dave

PS I hope this is a rehash of another posting, but when I started reading
   today, there was over 1700 unread articles in this group and I didn't
   read them all.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Fashionably Bi? :)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:42:32 GMT

I'm soooooooo embarrassed!

In article <1992Aug19.211228.12277@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>
>Has everybody seen the three page spread on Bisexuality in this weeks
>Newsweek?  Don't know the date, but it has a black and white phote of
>a Bosnian child behind a fence.  Not a terrible article, really.
>
>Does anyone know why we (GBLO) folk get so much more coverage by
>Newsweek than Time?
>
>Sandy
>100,000 lemmings can't all be wrong.
>
Actually, it is this week's (August 17) Times, not Newsweek.
Sorry.

Sandy
Yeah, I'm bisexual - If I want sex, I have to buy it!
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Susie Bright
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:32:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug13.203225.2712
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug9.173120.27700@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I just finished Susie Bright's new book "Susie Bright's Sexual Reality:
>A Virtual Sex World Reader".  And I really, really liked it!

yesyesyesyesyes!
<ahem>
i liked it too, heather.  it's still on my bed...

>There is a ton of stuff in there that is bi-relevant, the article on
>masculinity "A Good Butch is Hard to Find", "Men Who Love Lesbians (Who
>Don't Care for Them Too Much)", her trip to the Donahue show "I Got This
>Way From Kissing Donahue", and her description of her own bisexuality
>in "BlindSexual".

yes, and the bit about no women in drag since marlena
*really* hit home for me.  

(to the tune of "where have all the flowers gone")
where have all the butches gone?
long time passing?
where have all the butches gone?
long time ago...
where have all the butches gone?
goddess worship, everyone....
when will we ever learn?
when will we ever learn...

>I love her attitude towards sexuality, her openness and adventurousness,
>her reflectiveness, her kind of feminist questioning of traditions.

<smile>

>Am I in love?

well, i know i am at least in lust with a great deal 
of awe...

can we get her to come and talk in chicago?  
;)


peg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Subject: Perverse Machines
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 11:41:12 GMT

 cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>[duck] - But manages a <Snuggle> before he goes down.
>
>Clive

Foreplay is *soo* important.

Tanaqui
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Iseult, Tanaquai and crutches (was: That bloody War )
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:19:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>>>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>> And anyway .. anything I chose to do to you will definitely
>>be enjoyable, for both of us.  I guess your so called protectors might
>>find it enjoyable too.  If you really felt the need to have them around.
>>Its just that I am not so interested in providing floor show entertainment!
>>Not that I am suggesting you are either.  Not at all.

Nah... Tanaqui's _far_ too sweet and innocent to even dream of such a 
thing...


>Dunno what to make of this, except to defy your femmey role & say "You're
>the Boss" |-) & me? Provide floor show entertainment? What a shocking thought:
>you'll ruin my carefully cultivated aura of innocence....


Want to share the secret? My <innocent looks> just don't seem to be
_convincing_ anymore...

>Tanaqui


                            Bethan
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hot Bi Studs
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:30:09 GMT
	<1992Aug5.230832.7534@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
	<1992Aug6.135131.27275@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<1992Aug8.063102.15400@amhux2.amherst.edu>
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu's message of Sat, 8 Aug 1992 06:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.063102.15400@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.135131.27275@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Bradley Booth) writes:

>>IMHO, if bis react to queries or questions (from friends or acquaintances) by 
>>simply saying, "Go read this book." it could make bis seem intolerant to those who
>>don't know about bisexuality.

>Of course.  When I last asked my librarian what a word meant and she
>pointed to the dictionary, that was the last straw for me.  I have
>never been able to view librarians as other than intolerant nimrods
>for that.

I can't tell whether you're serious about this or not...*smile*.  So,
I'll respond to it as if it's serious, because I think it's an
interesting subject.

It seems to me that it is much more useful to be referred to the
dictionary (or, a book on bisexuality) than it is to depend on someone
always being available to answer your questions.  So, the librarian,
particularly because she didn't have any connection with you, did
exactly the right thing, if in a slightly off-putting manner.  Now
you'll always know where to go when you need the definition of a word.

However, something like bisexuality is a little different.  For one
thing, there are many books, but not all of them are all that good, so
people trying to learn about it could, at minimum, use some guidance as
to which are the good books.  In addition, if it's a friend who is
asking, they may be asking to learn more about you, rather than more
about bisexuality in general.  It seems to be different for everyone, so
a book is only going to give a general picture.  I haven't seen anyone
express exactly how I feel about bisexuality, sex, attraction to other
people, etc.  So, if a friend of mine wants to know what it means to me,
then I'm the best person to tell them.

Finally, *I* would like to be referred to books, too...they (can) lay
out the information clearly and thoroughly and don't (have to) depend on
just one person's experience or understanding.  Me, though, I'm looking
for something more like "how to talk to women"...*grin*.

I don't think that it is at all intolerant to refer someone to a book,
but if it's a friend, you might want to explain why you're doing that.
It sounds like a great way to deal with an acquaintance who seems more
interested in your "perversion" than in you...*smile*.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
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 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:01:44 GMT

In article <92231.010713LOMBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Lou Madigan <LOMBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> Sorry, i don't have any actual quotes for you.  But i have always been of the
|> impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt.  I mean lets face it, we have
|> a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.
|> 
|> I friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that pual loved to
                                                                   ^^^^
                                                      John (the beloved disciple) 
                                                            see John 21:20
|> put his head on jesus's breast.
|> 
|> I'm sold.
|> 
|> Lou

-- 



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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:59:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Bugs-R-Us


#  A friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that Paul
#  loved to put his head on Jesus's breast. 

Saint Paul and Jesus never met, I'm afraid.

-- Ken "he went on `Blind Date' but the Lord didn't pick him" Johnson


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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:33:57 GMT

In article <17968@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>Ah good - someone who sees things the way I do :-). I have offended quite a
>few people by saying "why, you pervert you!" (with an evil grin on my face)
>when it was in fact meant as a compliment. OK, well from now on I shall
>attempt to revel in my perversity :-).

Hey, you can call me a pervert anytime.
In fact, you can call me anytime.

How much longer does punting season last...?

G
--
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 23 Aug 92 09:11:44 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>   And I had my 21st birthday last week.

   In the heat of battle, I've outed my age! Oh no! There were a few people
here that I was going to break it gently to... 8->

   <sniff> I bet my proposed hosts won't offer me crash space anymore when
I'm in the US. 8-> (although a couple of them know my age already, I guess).

   And if this gets back to alt.polyamory, no-one will believe I'm a 
Poly-guru anymore. <sniff> 8->

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)