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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Linear existence.  
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:11:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls




SPOILERS FOR "EMISSARY" AHEAD


There seems to be two primary causes for confusion over the linear time
topic and the aliens in the wormhole in "Emissary."  
Perhaps my view of things will help a little.

Many have complained that the aliens, not knowing about linear existence, 
are therefore careless when they talk about "now" or "before," before (:))
they have discussed it with Sisko.

Two answers to this.  They do have a sense of now, before, and what is
yet to come.  "Jake" said, "What comes before now is no different than what
is now, or what is yet to come."  
Think of our existence as a point moving along a line, always in the same
direction, forward in time.
The aliens existence is the entire line.  That's all.  

Others have stted it is useless for the aliens to talk about destroying
Sisko when they don't know about death yet. 
Note, however, that when they say this, they only use the word "destroy."
They do not say "kill" or "die" ever before Sisko does.  
Thus, were they to destroy Sisko, they would destroy his existence.
Thus, it would not be mere death.  They would erase his existence over every
moment of time he had ever been in.

One more thing.  They talk of how the linear beings are inherently destructive
to their existence.  The reason for this is that linear beings (people)
change time as we pass through it.  In a sense, we are interfering in
history always.  Therefore, we leave marks on every timeline we cross.
Since the aliens actually are timelines, just our mere being there or talking
with them alters them.  


There.  I've said my peace.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: caina@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:09:25 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan5.153407.20196@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@p,                    > Paul Michals w
>>
>>Anyway something to think about.
> 
> Yeah it is something to think about, but I figured it was closer to 
> 
> Cardassia = Eastern Europe 
> 
> since after the Soviet Union pulled out we see that there are
> environmental problems there as well as the depth of poverty that
> Communism left.
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  I always  saw Cardassia equal to Israel and the Bjorans(sp?) equal to
the Palistinians.  My belief is based on the Cardassians suppression
of the Bjorans and the Bjorans fierce desire for home rule.

Alex Cain
From: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Title "The Ensigns of Command."
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:54:42 CST
Organization: America, Planet Earth

Hello ....

	This has always been a bit of a puzzle for me ... it concerns 
the third season Next Generation episode entitled, "The Ensigns of Command."

	How do you think they got this title?  When compared to the actual 
plot, this title doesn't seem to make sense.  Do you think the producers
mixed up titles somehow?  If someone would like to explain why they feel 
this is a logical title to me, I would appreciate that.


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From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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Subject: Re: DSN - Where does the Nine come from?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:27:18 -0800
Summary: DS Nine - Where's the name from?
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1993Jan7.162352@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> 
>  Deep Space Nine  -  why 9?
>             ^^^^
>  The wife says it comes from the "nine missing tears of the prophet".
> 
>  Yes?  No?  Don't Know?
>  TRAVIS
>  hhtra@hou28.chevron.com

Maybe it was given its name right after Deep Space Eight was named....
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From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person)
Subject: Deep Space 9
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:59:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I just saw DS9.  I went into the show thinking that it was going to be
silly.  Now that I've seen it, I think that it is some of the best Trek I've
ever seen. Epochs ahead of encounter at Farpoint. I even think I could
develop a crush on the 'Old man".

Pretty damn good.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:26:44 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <C0DC2p.GDn@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:

>1) From the viewpoint of show itself. Starfleet has  a highly decorated
>   Captian that needs to be promoted (if for nothing else utilize his
>   considerable skills with a more demanding responsibility), However, he's
>   not quite ready for a StarFleet Hqts job. 

Huh?  You mean the same Captain who the offered promotion to admiral
and command of Star Fleet of Academy?

>   They also have a Commander, who
>   in the past has Captained the Enterprise with honors but his general
>   inexperience leaves enough doubt to hedge their bet 

No military organization hedges bets on the commander of a major
warship.  If they had any doubts at all, he wouldn't get the job.
(That's not to say they couldn't be wrong, but, again, they wouldn't 
give the ship to a Captain who needed a babysitter.  Furthermore, I
can't imagine anyone with the rank of Captain sitting still for such
treatment, which would be a slap in the face.) 

>
From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quote Me on this if you Like ...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:59:12 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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 I didn't mean whole planets. Space craft would use the wormhole as a sort of
a superhighway. It's like having a small town at the one end of the only super-
high between two important points. People are bound to stop at the small town.

But as for who planets? hmmm....That's interesting...


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From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Subject: Re: DS9  on  WXXA? (Western MA, I think)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:17:33 GMT

That's weird.... WXXA is channel 23 in Albany, NY (which is pretty
close to western Mass.).  I wonder if it's the same station?  Albany's
WXXA plays DS9 at 6:00 Saturdays, starting 1-16.

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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Who's Hottest on DS9???
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:44:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.223347.9767@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.140054.10051@ac.dal.ca> novanet@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>I'm voting for Jadzia Dax and Cmdr. Sisko's late wife. 
>
>Jadzia Dax is on my list too, but I also happen to think that Nana Visitor,
>as Major Kira, is incredibly gorgeous (even with those bumps on her nose).
>

Another vote for dax, does anyone else find those markings on her neck rather
"sexy" ??

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From: liebea@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:02:30 GMT

In article <rawdon.726436210@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
|> In <C0F34y.D7I@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford) writes:
|> >	I guess we're lucky that they're not using Roman Numerals like we
|> >do for the movies, that would make it : ST:DSIX.
|> 
|> Star Trek:  Deep SIX? :-)

     Resolved:  The correct abbreviation for Deep Space Nine is ST:D6.

                                      -Adam Lieberman
                                       liebea@rpi.edu
From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajoran leader & Monty Python
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:18:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iv925INNn2j
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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[snip stuff about "Life of Brian]
>I didn't notice the similarity (until you pointed it out), but I did
>think the "orb" bore a striking resemblance to the grail-shaped beacon
>above the Castle Anthrax in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (at least
>in shape).  Thus, I kept remembering Michael Palin's voice asking "It's
>not the real grail?"
>
"Oh, can't I face just a little peril?"
"No, it's much too perilous."
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: 28 Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:49:02 GMT

	All this talk of which race in Star Trek = which nation on earth is  
ridiculous. There is no exact correlation, and the writer's obviously use  
characteristics from many different peoples when they create an alien race.  
The TOS Klingons may have been based on how Americans perceived the Russians  
in the 60's, but they in no way were meant to be an accurate representation.  
In the same way, Bajorans simply represent Bajorans, not Jews or  
Palastinians or Native Americans or Kurds. They may employ certain  
characteristics common to many oppressed peoples, but the politics of the  
Star Trek universe are entirely independent of our own.

Romulans = Roman Empire

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From: alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:21:52 GMT

In article <MSALETNI.93Jan5143311@jade.tufts.edu> msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik) writes:
>
>*** DS9 possible spoiler follows a ^L ***
>
>
>
>Here's my question ... if that *was* a Galaxy class ship at Wolf 359
>in the teaser for DS9, why the heck was the saucer attached???  Isn't
>battle manuverability one of the reasons for separation?  Besides
>offloading civilians and families in the saucer...
>
>					Michael
>--
>Michael J. Saletnik, Tufts University E'91 G'93
>michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu msaletni@pearl.tufts.edu
>Manager of Computer Resources, Dept. of Civil Engineering

The Galaxy Class-looking vessel at Wolf 359, as seen at the opening of
the DS9 premiere episode, is, as far as I can tell, an Ambassador Class
vessel, like the Enterprise-C seen in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'. I looked
very closely and made a big noise about it to some friends, because I
think the Ambassador Class is pretty cool-looking.
From: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI GIF BBS NUMBER
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

If anyone out there is still wanting that Troi GIF I have mentioned, you
can call the BBS it originated from at 718-762-5292. It is called The
Movie BBS, and I have no idea whether or not it is still in operation as
I got the GIF from another source. If it is not, then the GIF can be
downloaded from The OUTLAND BBS, and the number for that is
403-475-9588, 403-478-3295, or 403-478-4010. The GIF is in area 1, the
free download area. I talked to the sysop of the board this morning and
was informed that many people have already called, and that some of them
do not have the proper protocol with which to download the GIF. Make
sure if you call the OUTLAND that you have various protocols on your
term program so that you don't spend the money on a potential long
distance call and find out the effort was for naught.

Chris Burgess
chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:14:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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> In article <1993Jan5.162212.14216@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
[Actually, I'm responding to a followup, and I think some attribution may
be missing]
> Does anyone know what happened to Keiko?
>
>I am fairly sure that I have seen all the TNG episodes this year,
>but I cannot recollect any reason for O'Brien to be leaving the
>Enterprise without Keiko.  Did they split up or something?

Miles commented to Sisko that Keiko was so upset when she saw the
condition of their quarters that she was talking about visiting her
family.  I assume she was busy trying to get their quarters (which
we did not see) into livable condition.  Miles himself was rather
busy with his new duties.

In practical terms, Rosalind Chao was probably not available to appear
in the pilot episode (or they didn't budget for her in it), although
she is slated to appear from time to time.

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From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
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Subject: Re: History of the Enterprise
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 20:30:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world


>NCC-1701:
>            Constitution-class
>            Depicted in the original Star Trek series
>            Refitted just prior to Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>            Depicted in the first three Star Trek movies
>            Destroyed near the end of Star Trek III: The Search For
>                Spock

             More toward the middle, wasn't it?

>NCC-1701-A:
>            Constitution-class
>            First seen at the end of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
>            Formerly named USS Yorktown
>            Depicted in Star Trek V: The Voyage Home and Star Trek VI:
>                The Undiscovered Country

             STV is "The Final Frontier", not "The Voyage Home".
             Previously named USS Ti-Ho, according to "Mr. Scott's Guide".

>NCC-1701-B:
>            Excelsior-class
>            Never seen in the movies or television shows

             Except on the wall of the Conference Room on 1701-D.

             -Brian
             
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From: wongrr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan R Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Trill problems (was: Lurking Plot Complications)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:47:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: wongrr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan R Wong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-21.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1993Jan7.140952.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu  
writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU>,  
trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
> > If you remember, in the TNG episode
> > with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he  
was
> > hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to  
the 
> > worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are  
in 
> > good health.
> 
> In "The Host," Odan refuses to be transported even BEFORE he's injured,
> although he doesn't say why, except that he prefers not to use the thing
> (rather like McCoy, though more diplomatic in his objections).  After  
the
> host body died, Crusher stated that transport would kill the "parasite."
> No mention was made here of transport being harmful AFTER INJURY; it was
> just plain harmful.  Also, I got the distinct impression that Odan  
wasn't
> injured, just his host body, although there's no dialog directly  
addressing
> this issue.

It is possible that the transporter buffers would have eliminated the worm  
as if it were a foreign organism (it was only 'expecting' a regular  
humanoid).  If I remember correctly, Beverly was quite shocked to find out  
Odan's true existence. 

Proposal: In 'The Host,' the Federation did not know that much about the  
Trill at the time, but by DS9 ships and bases started re-callibrating  
their transporters so it would acknowledge the worm  as part of the Trill.

-----OR------

Remember that Dax was encased in the green thing. Maybe it protected her  
from the 'harmful' effect of the transporter (didn't it disperse AFTER the  
transporter was most or all of the way complete?).
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Past Prologue: DS9 guest star spoilers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:00:19 GMT

O.K. this is from a T.V. guide so its reliability is well...
	Anyway in the listing for next weeks episode they list two guest
stars. One of which is....

hope that worked btw.
Lursa: Barbara March.
	Is this the same woman who played Lursa of Lursa and Be'Tor?
Does this mean she is hanging around DS9 now that she is dispatriated?
Or do we just have another Lursa walking around the universe. I would
check my tape but I was robbed yesterday and although my Tape Library is
intact they took the VCR and TV to play it on  *$@#@#$&@#!

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From: alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
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Subject: WLFL-22 RDU, NC (was Re: To whomever wants to talk trash about DS9...)
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:34:48 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

>BTW, if there's anyone out there with any connections to WLFL FOX-22 in
>Raleigh/Durham NC, please let me know when you plan on showing the episodes.

I called WLFL's programming department yesterday...
On January 11, DS9 will be broadcast at 7pm - Starting January 18 it will be
Mondays at 8pm (regular time slot).

I take no responsibility if this info is wrong :-)

-- 
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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
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Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:55:26 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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For those who liked Remember Me, please give me a brief synopsis.  I
can't place the title with the storyline.  Thanks.

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

It occurs to me that Tom Baker (who played the fourth Doctor Who) would make
an excellent captain of the Enterprise.  Since he LOOKS quite different these
days than he did back then, it would probably even minimize comparisons
between the roles.

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Editing of episodes
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:18:32 GMT


So Paramount edited 30 seconds out of each show to add a DS9
commercial?  This I find highly ironic, since my local ST:TNG
station didn't pick up DS9, and edited out all the commercials
for it to show spots for their local news division instead.  Bleah.

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From: zrsjp01@zmcipdec1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Peter Jesinger)
Subject: Is there a boot "Hotel Royal"?
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:41:02 GMT

Does the book "Hotel Royal" which is mentioned in 
a ST:TNG really exist?
If yes, can anyone give me the ISBN Number please?

Thanks

Peter
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