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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1993Jan9.030712.856@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:34:00 GMT

   ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:

   [similarities between South-Asian Americans and East-Asian Americans: ]

   Historically, these groups were both imported as cheap agricultural
   labor in the 19th century.  They were both targetted by white racist
   groups, and they were both excluded from immigration.

This was interesting -- I wasn't aware of any significant importation
of people from South Asia for agricultural labor.  What's a good
source to find out more about this?

   Like other non-white immigrants, both groups were legally prohibitted
   from becoming naturalized US citizens by a 1790 (+/- a few years) law
   that remained on the books until 1952.  This had enormous social
   repercussions, such as being prohibited from owning land in
   California.

   Both groups have immigrated in much greater numbers in recent years,
   thanks to revisions in immigration law in 1965.  As a result, both
   groups are majority foreign-born.  With the immigrant generation being
   highly educated because of the immigration preference given to
   professionals.

   Second generation Asian Americans of both groups must struggle with
   the conflict between a highly-developed, conservative, and ancient
   culture and the reality of growing up as an American in America.

   Both groups are presumed foreign by the US media and establishment.
   Both groups are perceived as a foreign, un-American threat whenever
   their numbers increase.  Both groups are targetted for violence by
   neo-Nazi groups.

The trouble I have with the rest of the post is that it doesn't really
distinguish between Asian Americans and Arab Americans.  Or does
"Asian American" include Arab Americans as well?  From these examples,
it certainly should.  The geography then gets a little problematic,
since a number of Arab countries are definitely outside Asia.

I know that there is a group of Americans who share the background and
concerns that you describe.  I just wonder if "Asian American" is the
right name.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:13:06 GMT

I saw this posting on rec.arts.tv in regard to a thread about
attractive tv males.

In article <1992Dec31.220919.1@stsci.edu> heyer@stsci.edu writes:
>Well, since we can't let the males dominate this discussion, here are my
>top choices for a chat over tea and crumpets:
>
>1. Patrick Stewart (TNG)
>2. Dean Stockwell (QL)
>3. Richard Dean Anderson (MacGyver)
>4. Ken Matsudaira (Abarenbo Shogun; Japanese TV)
>5. Michael Dorn (TNG)
>6. George Takei (TOS)

Two of the top six is not bad.  But then again maybe Asian males
are only found attractive by trekkies.  (  :) for the humor
impaired.)

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:44:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.140754.4075@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>Guess what I found in soc.culture.china. Looks familiar ?
>
>
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>From an4767@anon.penet.fi ()
>Subject: Single Male (OH) seeks East Asian Female
>Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:04:29 GMT
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am a single male in Cincinnati, ISO a single east asian woman in the
>Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. I am 5'8", 170 lbs, black hair, brown eyes
>and 25 years old. My interests include dancing, going to plays and shows,
>discovering new restaurants etc etc ... I like classic rock, progressive
>and some techno music like KWS. 
>
>If you are in the general area of Cincinnati and are interested in 
>exchanging email, talking, or getting together, let me know. 
>
>Oh ... all I desire in a person is an open mind and a sense of adventure :-).
 Oh ... all I desire in a person is an empty mind and a no sense of danger :-(.
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.
>
>

  If you're so interesting, why hide behind anonymous mail services?

  I hope nobody in their right minds will respond to such anonymous postings.
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:56:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Personally, I consider the current Chinese culture the main reason that China
 has freefallen in her international status in the past 200 yrs, and many CA
 are victims of that indirectly. However, the Chinese-cu that we hates most may
 not be real Chinese-cu.

What is real Chinese culture? The language? The current official Chinese
 language was not considered Chinese 100 years ago. Mandarin is the language
 of Manchurian. Manchurian, Mongolian, and many other invaders had destroyed
 much of the old culture. I would say you may find more old Chinese culture in
 Korean and Japanese than in "Chinese". Cantonese and Taiwanese are much
 closer to the old language than Mandarin. I know many Taiwanese and
 Cantonese refuse to learn Mandarin.  They may have ancestors killed or
 tortured by Manchurian. The invaders had created a lot of hatred in the
 culture.

The mind of people? Chinese 2000 yrs ago was more open-minded. You can find it
 in the literature. Many creative thoughts! The real decline in culture  came
 after emperors adopted Confucian as the only moral and knowledge
 intellectuals need to know. Everything else was belittled. The emperors were
 quite successful in limiting people's mind and prolonging their empires.
 The culture has been therefore degraded consistently.
From: johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 10 Jan 1993 04:09:48 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: m.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1803@rwja.umdnj.edu> jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
>garyt@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Gary Terusaki) writes:
>
>>In article <C0I74F.9DC@news.rich.bnr.ca>, thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>>> In article <9301070808.AA00541@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>>> >George Wu writes:
>>> 
>>> [stuff gone]
>>> 
>>> >>     I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
>>> >>role of a mainstream American movie.
>>> >
>Other Oriental - like aliens in the more popular show, Star Trek TNG, are:
>Romulans, with their stereotypically asian bowl-like hair cuts (black hair
>color), and their Oriental style costumes. - The Vulcans do not have Oriental
>costumes.  Ifn fact, the "good" oriental-like vulcans are hardly ever mentioned
>in the new series.  The Romulans are a militaristic "Empire" antagonistic
>to the Federation, the "goodguys."

And what about the Cardassians?  Yet another type.

And the Kingons?

>
>Pherengi - short, round faced, head-flaps reminiscent of samurai helmets,
>	raw meat (ie. "sushi") is a delicacy for them, has awful luck
>	with women, are usually involved in "sneaky" plots, immasculate,
>	and are nortorius merchants, and are TRADE COMPETITORS with the
>	Federation.

They don't look Asian, for goodness sake, they look like rats!
Head-flaps like samurai helmets?  That's a new one on me.
People in Milwaukee eat raw meat - raw hamburger (I forget what they call it;
anyway, it's not for me). 
They have awful luck with women because they're notorious male chauvinist
pigs!  (I don't think that we've seen any female Pherengi yet.)
`Immasculate'?  They're all male and notorious leches.
And they are described as "Yankee traders" in one eposide!

What about those weird beings that cut Riker and others in their sleep? - they
wore robes like Medieval monks.

>
>Do you ever see enemy aliens with hair color other than black 
>	in Star Trek TNG?  I can't imagine the producers planning
>	a major alien enemy race with blond or red hair. >;-) 

Um, one of the Romulans, the one who is the nemesis of TNG crew, is played by
the same person who played Lt. Worf's predecessor (I forget her name right now)
and is a blonde - now I remember, Lt. Yar.

>
>disclaimer: the above was just pure coincidence, & metaphors are just 
>	coincidence too, huh? ;-)

I don't think there are any coincidences here.

>	So what, it's only a TV show seen by millions of people, your
>	neighbors, people you'll meet later in life, your children,
>	fellow students and coworkers, some of whom never have met
>	an asian/black/hispanic/white person or have personally known one
>	in their entire life.
>

There is a lot to be disturbed about on television, but I don't think ST:TNG
is really the main thing.  Some of it IS disturbing, but, then, a lot about
this whole culture is much more disturbing!
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <C0Jxnq.8D8@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>Well, did you know that the first draft choice of the New England Patriots
>(I know they're bad, but they got the first picks) was Edmund Chung, an
>Asian-American dude!! Sure he's got our eyes, but he's big and fat, and..
>BTW, he's an Offensive Guard.. :(
>I hope they would draft an Asian-American QUARTERBACK some day, that'll
>be really nice..

	Thought the SF 49ers drafted one, late rounds a few years back.

	'Course, >>ANY<< drafted QB has a snowball's chance in hell of
sticking with the 49ers....

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Assimilate or Separate Re: Asian AM with African AF
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:06:09 GMT

q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
|Alan (not Arthur) Hu writes:
|>                                                           In the
|> circles I run in, both Asian- and African-Americans are under enormous
|> social pressure either to blend into upper-middle class white suburbia
|> or to develop separatist ethnic solidarity and pride. 
|
|Alan points out a really interesting dilemma here.
|Assimilate or Separate!  (You can really see this
|going on at college campuses too).  Could this
|be a *false* dilemma, that people are pushed into?

Maybe it means that people still haven't learned to live together
in a diverse group.
-- 
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Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com ()
Subject: KTVU Reporting on Hong Kong
Organization: Meta-Software Inc., Campbell, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:20:23 GMT

-
     Three cheers to local television station KTVU for their story about the
impending return of Hong Kong to China.  They twice stated the British
established Hong Kong in order to forcibly sell opium in China.

     This is the sort of reporting which will someday lead to less Eurocentric
bias in our history books.

							George



PS: I presume that fact is true, but I wouldn't know.  It's for sure my history
classes never mentioned it.
-- 
----
George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: AA & sports Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:51:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.030449.23014@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu) writes:
>So far there are few asian Americans making a living out of major 
>professional sports. It's understandable in football and basketball,
>for they require strength and height.
 
Well some AAs do have the height and strenght.  An AA friend of my used
to play H. S. football (some affluent Chicago burb).  However he had to
quit during his sr. year due to some parental presure.  I can understand
how he parents feel cos as a fb player he could be quite injury prone.
>
>And there are so many AA I know who like to play tennis. Is this
>because of Michael Chang? If it is, I think asian Americans are in
>serious need of some sports heroes of their own.

I noticed that a lot of AA parents dont encourage their kids to
excellll in sprot as much as they do encourage them to do well in music.
I don't mean to generalize anything thing here, just my observations.
I always wonder in those west coast schools w/ large AA pop., are there
many AAs playing college sports?  (you folks fr. Cal, please comment).

Michael Chang is great.  There is also "the Satos" in the national
volleyball teams (Eric and Leanne Sato) and another JA in the women
team.  She played in the last Olympics but I forgot her name (Hey Peter
you can help me out).  These AAs could be good role models for those kids
who
like volleyball. 

The Olympic victories and the AA presence inspired
me to pick up volleyball back in 1984.  I have met many wonderful people
playing volleyball.  However there seems to be a lack of AA participation
in this sport (at least in the Chicago area).  Is this because of the
recall reading one article here where some Standford AAFs commented
about not wanting to date AAMs who do problem sets, play volleyball, and
listen to Erasure ...).
I am surprised to hear such a comment especially from Standford AAFs.
Because Standford has a very good volleyball program (UCLA also).  Those
Standford AAF (the ones making comment) must be out of touch ....
Most Vball players have to work hard (ie many hours at the gyms) to stay
fit to be competitive players.  AAs have to train harder due to height
(average) disadvantage.  So AA Volleyball players are certainly not wimps.
(check out those prof. beach players, oh I forgot to mention Lucy Han,
she is a 5-2 AA and a great defensive player)

So what sports/activities do you AAs out htere play/participate?

Dan

ps:  thanks for reading.  finally get to talk about my favorite subject
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara)
Subject: Re: anonymous accounts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:16:49 GMT


Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> No! there is something one can do. And I did it. I have send this
> individuals post to the office of the FBI here in Pittsburgh, PA. With a
> strong letter based
> of the FCC communications act of 1992 Article125; section 14. Profanity
> and other opinionws are protected(under most circumstances)by Freedom of
> speech) but it is against the law to impersonate a person(s) or group
> under the aegis of anonymaity.

Rikiya, do you think you could dig up the exact wording of
Article 125, Sec. 14?  I might need to use it someday.

I was once really PO'ed when someone took an old posting from
scaa, and reposted it to the newsgroup under my name with his/her
modifications (at an apparent attempt at humor).  I don't mind
being flamed, but not for something I never wrote.  I know some
computer-hacker types who can easily forge e-mail but, they should
understand the legal consequences.

Wataru

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: bimbos
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:49:44 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


In article <1993Jan7.140752.23612@almserv.uucp>, g9utxu@fnma.COM
(Tanin Uthayanaka) writes: 
> In article d7h103DBc7kV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com,
christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee) writes: 
> >In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi
> >writes: 
> >> I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls 
> >> that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
> >> They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
> >> (I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
> >> are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
> >> too gung ho American.
> >> 
> >> I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
> >
> >ha ha ha ha!  You are too funny!
> 
> I hope you're being sarcastic 'cause I don't think he meant it as a joke.
> 
> Are you Chinese ? If you are then aren't you offended ?
> 
> TU

Yes, I am Chinese.  And, no, I wasn't offended.  It's not worth it to
get all worked up over something like what he said!  I don't think his
posting was worth more than what I responded with simply because he is
applying a generalization to a large group of people.  If you know
that you don't fit into his generalization (stereotype), then you
shouldn't care at all about what he said!  You don't need to prove
that you don't fit into what he described if you know that you don't
fit that description!  

-- 

Christine Lee                           Amdahl Corp. 	
christil@long_island.uts.amdahl.com     Santa Clara, CA   

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:40:54 GMT

In article <43020@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.025427.19706@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>Let's not beat around the bush.  By "non-Japanese-ge AA", Ms. Ayala
>>is referring to Chinese-ge.
>Oh, come ON... Aren't you forgetting the Korean-Americans, the
>Vietnamese-Americans, the Thai-Americans, the Tibetan-Americans, ad
>infinitum??

Yes,  "Non-Japanese-ge AA" includes those as well; however, Ms. Ayala's
background, as posted to this newsgroup over the year, suggests that her
exposure was mainly to Japanese-Americans and Chinese-Americans.

Since Japanese-Americans didn't exhibit the sheer bigotry toward
1-eyelids that Chinese-Americans practice, the effective conclusion
from "non-Japnese-ge AA" must be Chinese-Americans.  I.e.  Chinese-Americans
are bigotted against 1-eyelids.

Too bad for them.  By some standards (which may or may not be mine),
the Japanese-ge and Korean-ge look are "in" (with the 1-eyelid), and
the Chinese-ge look is "out".

>(Sorry... I'm in a rather peevish mood today)

Doo ka surun deshoo ka.   Oshiete kuremasen ka.

>	Maiko Covington
>
>P.S. I do think single eyelids look nice though, on both sexes. For
>the record, I am white, but I always thought I was horribly ugly

For the record, I did not say that double eyelids are ugly.
I only said that some people think that the Japanese-ge look 
(or the Korean-ge look) is preferable to the Chinese-ge look.
Of course, the Japanese-ge look has an abundance of 1-eyelids.

>because everyone else around me was not. I guess it's kinda like

Maichan, chotto sabishii rashii nee.  Gambatte ne.  ^_^

Shinsetsuna josei wa utsukushii desu.  Demo Maichan wa shinsetsu dakara
utsukushiku mo aru.  Hontoo desu yo.  Gambatte.  ^_^

>what some minorities here felt like, but in reverse. Also, I think
>the 'type' we end up finding attractive may have to do with the
>'type' of looks we were surrounded with when we first began to
>notice these things.

Soo ka.  Dakara issho ni doko ka e asobi ni ikimasen ka.  Watakushi wa
gochisoo shimashoo.

>P.P.S. I did know someone in junior high school who had to have 'the
>operation' because her eyelashes were somehow turned in the wrong
>way and kept poking her in the eye and getting infected.

Ee.  Soo desu.

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 06:19:25 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: anonymous accounts
	<1444@blue.cis.pitt.edu>

The respectable Mr.JMoon writes:

.

> 
>Ah, the bad side of having anonymous accounts.
> 
>People will post anything they please will say anything
>no matter how racists or insulting. 
> 
>And will do it with complete immunity. They can harass anyone they wish
>accuse anyone of anything.
> 
>And as word gets around more and more people will abuse this.
> 
>And the noise/signal ration will approach infinity.
> 
:(
 
- jon

No! there is something one can do. And I did it. I have send this
individuals post to the office of the FBI here in Pittsburgh, PA. With a
strong letter based
of the FCC communications act of 1992 Article125; section 14. Profanity
and other opinionws are protected(under most circumstances)by Freedom of
speech) but it is against the law to impersonate a person(s) or group
under the aegis of anonymaity. I am very mad at this indidvidaul. Call
it sqeal,stooly or whatever!
This person will answer to this crime. Silly Question your burned buddy. If you
have any questions come to Pittsburgh, PA. That's 303 Renova St, in
Hazelwood, pittsburgh PA 15207. And you can deal on a personal level.
Before you go to jail
that is..
From: mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:24:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Hey... Japanese school isn't as bad as that school in Taiwan
depicted here, but... Japanese school DOES have its share of
corporal punishment. I don't know if Dwight went to Japanese schools
or not, but if he did, I'm sure he will remember being made to clean
the school (including the toilets) every day, being made to sit on
the knees on the hard floor of the hallway with a perfectly straight
back if you get in small trouble (and if you don't sit correctly the
teacher might slap you), holding buckets of water in the hallway,
etc etc. I went to Japanese school, I think it is a good system for
the most part, but these punishments have got to be changed, IMHO.
Remember getting your grades read out in front of the class?
	That is just a normal school. Did you perhaps hear of the
extreme case in which a girl was crushed to death when the teacher
slammed the heavy school gate shut on her when she was tardy? Also
one other boy was beaten to death for bringing a hair dryer on a
school trip. These incidents are extreme cases; both those teachers
are in prison (as they should be).
	I think that I got a good education in Japanese school, but
I would tone down the discipline. I DO think you must set
expectations for children though if you expect them to do anything.
I think lately some American schools have not much expectations for
the average level students.

	Are you saying that Taiwan is necessarily dirty? Hey, come
check out downtown LA sometime...
	Maiko Covington