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From: mbrennan@swift.cs.tcd.ie (Micheal O'Braonain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: USA go home (Was Re: Shooting)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:46:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin

>In article <15311@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr14.202532.6159@pony.Ingres.COM>, gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary) writes:

>> When faced with such arrogance in the sons of the people who did this to us,
>>it is  difficult NOT to cheer whenever someone blows up more British. 

> We, who are the descendants of those who were forced
> from their land or jailed for their views should simply ignore the
> continued injustice and allow things to "progress" as they currently are.

Of course not ... after all the author is a descentant of one of the victims 
of those aweful, dreadful British people, who stole and plundered, who took
the land from its rightful owners, who tortured and killed the natives, who
drove them from their land.  As such the author has every right to take
vengence for these dreadful deeds on the office workers of central London,
on all commuters on the rail system in Britain, on people driving their
cars on British roads.  In fact I think it a duty for him to do so.

Of course the author is also a descendant of those bunch of horrible nasty
people who stole and plundered, who took the land from its rightful owners, 
who tortured and killed the nice native Americans, who drove them from their 
land.  As such the author should consider himself a legitimate target of
attack, by any irate native american, while he is commuting to work, sitting
in his office, shopping, walking in the street etc.


> After all, we do not live in Ireland and thus, it seems, have given up all
> rights to expressing our views with respect to the futre direction of the
> land that our mothers/fathers/grandparents called home. 
It is a known fact (thanks to the articulate contributions of some
American-Irish contributors) that all British people (especially the
really bad ones who live and work in London) are scum of the 
earth - we remember what their forefathers did!!

We also know what your bunch were up to a few hundred years ago - you 
thieving, land grabbing, culture destroying, murdering, rapist ...
but yet we'll listen to your contribution ... we are pretty open and fair
minded around here.  Perhaps some of our American-Irish contributors
would take note.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:3369 soc.culture.usa:2767
From: wwarf@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (wayne john warf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: 200 years of Peace and Friendship
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:21:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr6.032129.11686
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr3.141450.11307@tcom.stc.co.uk> bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>Oh No! Holohan's on his high horse again!
>
>In article <1992Mar31.123232@mark.enet.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>>
>>  The following article is quoted from the 
>>  Enduring Gael, by F. Robert Dougherty, 1985
>>
>>    200 Years of Peace and Friendship
>>
>>  The current British propaganda theme of "200 Years of Peace and
>>Friendship" marking the 200th anniversary of the Treaty of Paris in 1783
>>which ended the Revolutionary War is an insult to anyone who has read a
>>basic paperback high school history book.  The record of history shows a
>>constant pattern of action by Britain designed to damage the United
>>States.
>
>[various accounts of minor misunderstandings deleted]
>
>> In World War II there is no doubt that British Intelligence knew of
>>Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor because they had cracked the
>>German code.  Proof positive could have been given to the United States
>>beforehand.
>
>Oh yeah. Perhaps you'd like to furnish us with proof of this fact which
>you state is beyond doubt. Various authors have postulated this theory,
>but none has ever produced convincing proof. What the German code has
>to do with I don't know, since that wasn't fully cracked until later
>in the war.
>
This is fair. Historical evidence suggests that the Japanese attack
surprised Hitler as much as the United States so the Ultra messages
probably would not have shown any indication of an attack forthcoming.
The United States, itself, had broken Japanese codes and we were caught
off guard.


>You're making yourself look pretty stupid with your incessant drivel
>about how Britain is the most evil power on the face of the earth.
>So what if the US and the UK have had misunderstandings over the years,
>what two countries haven't? On the whole though, relations have been very
>good and continue to be so. 

For most of the 19th century Britain and the US were mostly friendly
and often not-so-friendly international rivals. Not so surprising that
some pushing and shoving took place.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:40:12 -0400 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bothy Band & Green Linnet CD Sale

On 09-Apr-92 in Bothy Band & Green Linnet C..
user Clarke Thacher@renbourn. writes:
>I just got the Green Linnet spring Sale Catalog and I have this urge
>to spend lots of money. :-)  I will try to restrain myself to only one 
>of each.
> 
>I realized that I don't have any recordings of the Bothey Band and I
>don't know which is the best to get, and I thought that I'd ask for
>suggestions from the net.  Which one is your favorite (and why):
> 
>	The First Album
>	Old Hag You Have Killed Me
>	Out Of The Wind Into The Sum
>	Afterhours: Live In Paris
> 
>For those of you who didn't get the mailing, Green Linnet is selling
>CDs for $12.50 each.  The sale ends on May 15.  

Are ALL of Green Linnet's CD's $12.50 or just the Bothy Band?  This is
temptation, isn't it.  If the former, I suppose I have the same question
about Capercaille -- which album to get first? 

Becka
From: jhc3@quads.uchicago.edu (james henry corcoran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What does _cowardly_ mean?
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: jhc3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.200924.22441@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>
>unless an accident occurs, and a bomb goes off prematurely, killing
>the planter and anyone around them, I believe I am quite
>accurate in saying that the IRA always notifys people that a bomb
>has been placed in a certain area and to move people out - 
>of course, the people receiving the call don't always pass on
>the information in a "timely" manner 
>
NO, YOU ARE TOTALLY INACCURATE.  When a bomb went off in early March at a 
London train station, the IRA did call in a bomb threat -- but only TWO
minutes before the bomb was to go off.  Supposedly, a "warning" call was
made to British Rail this past Friday, but I doubt it came in time to save the 
lives of the dead.  The only reason the IRA makes those calls in the first
place is to fool individuals like you who will take those scum at their word.

And even if the IRA did give ample warning of their attacks, what makes
each and every single resident of London (many of who are Irish) a 
target?  Do the deaths in London last week help bring peace or Republican rule
to the North?  Of course not, they only bring sufferring to the families of
those touched by an act of violence they almost certainly did nothing to earn.

Your lame attempt to justify the actions and "bravery" of the IRA is appalling.
I'm not sure where you are posting from, but how would you like it if the PLO
blew up your mother or brother merely because they decided that the civilian
population of your nation of residence had become legitimate military targets 
in some conflagration over which you probably know little and are involved in
even less?  You would be most unhappy, to say the least, yet you applaud
the "bravery" of the IRA for doing the same thing.

The IRA are bloodthirsty murderers who throughout the Troubles have made no
positive achievement so great that it justifies even a fraction of the murders
they have committed or the sufferring they have caused.

Who cares if the IRA are brave or cowardly?  No matter what their style of
murder is, they are a menace to all residents of the British Isles and a 
source of sorrow to every human with an open heart (although I would extend
that statement to the UDF, and on my occasions the British Army and the RUC
as well).

Jim Corcoran
-standard disclaimers apply
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:3638 soc.culture.british:6669
From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Women in parliament
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:40:31 GMT
	<1222@lysator.liu.se> <1992Apr16.175529.19291@pony.Ingres.COM>
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Apr16.175529.19291@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:


   Apparently, in all her twelve years in power, Margaret Thatcher didn't
   appoint a single woman to her cabinet...

   --
   Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

Pedantic correction follows:

there was one (and only one), a certain Ms/Mrs/Lady Young, in the early years .

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Edinburgh University. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Subject: Looking for Orcadians
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:10:50 GMT

I don't know if this is the place or not but I'll try.  If it is someplace
else let me know.  I'd love to get in touch with some fellow Orcadians.
Please e-mail.  I left in 1956 and returned for a visit in 1990.  Would
enjoy hearing from the folk at home.
Thanks in advance.
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From: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Subject: Re: Purported inaccuracies in 200 years of Peace and Friendship
Reply-To: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:22:24 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.153856.5041@tcom.stc.co.uk>, bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
|>In article <1992Apr8.084003@mark.enet.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
|>>
|>>  
|>>  I've included below the references used by F. Robert Dougherty for
|>>  his article, 200 years of Peace and Friendship.   I suggest that anyone
|>>  who has misjudged this article,  as the work of a lier, or propagandist,  
|>>  please check his references.
|>
|>What you haven't addressed is the charge that the article presents a
|>number of minor misunderstandings between the two nations completely out
|>of context.

When you say out of context, what you really mean is, not in
the context you would like to see.

|> The entire purpose of the article is to attempt to present
|>the UK in a bad light,
 
I believe the article successfully pointed out innaccuracies
in the British progaganda theme "200 years of Peace and Friendship".
If you check soc.culture.usa you will find a rebuttal posted by
Robert Parson.  If you read the rebuttal carefully (not just Mr.
Parson's editorial comments), you will find that Mr. Dougherty's
references back up his statements (though this was not what Mr.
Parson intended).

|>and make it seem as though the countries have been
|>on the brink of war for 200 years when this is obviously not the case.
|>Since the mid-1800s relations have mostly been pretty good, and have
|>often been very close indeed.
|>

As I've pointed out before, I will be one of the first to admit
that the relationship has had its uses.

                         Mark
--
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  holohan@epik.enet.dec.com
  
  The opinions expressed are not necessarily the opinions of 
  Digital Equipment Corporation.

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From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:34:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16786
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <92104.211802BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca writes:
>In article <16736@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V.
>Malenovic ) says:

>Call me human, but I find it difficult to partake in 'fun, joy, songs
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I'll call you Serb-hater, since you hate every serb, regardless of his
view on current happenings.

You are very hostile individual who answers with offendin' e_mail, when
*my* intentions were obviously trying to "izmirim" two of us, by putting
some humor in my mail.
	But it is not good enough for you - you have to be very hostile. I
have talked to many CRO people, many of those I disagree in the highest
degree but I have never found any reason why not to talk with them about
things other then politics. You and Mladen have that idea that SCY is a
battle field for political views only, and when I tried to post some
articles who are away from politcs (since I was sick of SCY for a while),
I got flames like "you are unhuman, since people are dieing, and you are
laughing". (thanks god I have received a few e_mails saying it is nice to
have things other than politics on SCY....)



>and stories' while the people you attribute that same fun, joy, songs and
>stories to are without homes (750,000 by now) - and it is happenning all over
>again in B-H as you discuss 'pederstvo' with me. You're quite a guy, Nik.


NO, you are wrong in adressing the real issue and point of my posting.
it is that I wanted to discuss rethorical questions that no matter how you
answer you are guilty (i.e. for example I ask you "Do your parents know you
have killed Mr.X?" - no matter what you say, you are guilty - that is called
rethorical question, and those type of questions are not uncommon to you,
and are not limited to you - even I ask that type of question sometimes, but
at least I can recognize my mistake, whereas you are not even realizing
them).


>Realistically yours,
>
>Tom Grgic
>buad5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca


"bratski tvoj" Nik
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:3768 soc.culture.greek:3235 soc.culture.europe:3640
From: karadimc@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Anton Karadimce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: "The Two Macedonias" - A NYT Editorial
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:34:53 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

From The New York Times, Sunday, April 5, 1992, editorial page
     
[reprinted without permission]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE TWO MACEDONIAS

	Greece, the country that introduced Europe to comedy and
tragedy, now leads its European Community partners into a shameful
diplomatic farce. It's all in the name of the name of Macedonia.
Or, rather, of two Macedonias.

	One Macedonia is a tiny, democratic and unthreatening
former Yugoslav republic wedged between Albania, Bulgaria, Greece
and Serbia. It has no army and desperately seeks to distance
itself from a widening Balkan war. It proclaimed itself
independent last November. But its hopes for recognition has been
frustrated by Athens. 

	Greece's objection? That only the other Macedonia, a
region of northern Greece, is entitled to use the name.

	Greek Macedonia is famous as the birthplace of Alexander
the Great, one of ancient history's most successful expansionists.
Alexander had very different ideas about name proliferation,
leaving behind no less than 10 Alexandrias in various parts of the
ancient world to commemorate his Greatness. The more Macedonias
the better, one might imagine him saying.

	But Greece's modern-day leader, Prime Minister Constantine
Mitsotakis, says only no, no, no. For the former Yugoslav
territory to use the name Macedonia, his Government asserts,
constitutes a claim to Greek territory. 

	Does Prime Minister Mitsotakis seriously argue that
Greece, a NATO member and a steadily recipient of U.S. military
aid, would be threatened if the world let this Slavic mini-state
with no army keep calling itself Macedonia?

	Perhaps the real issue is not security but pride. That's
suggested by the way a Greek diplomat explained the problem to The
Times's John F. Burns: "This pseudo little republic," he said,
"must stop irritating us."

	Early in the last century, friends of freedom everywhere
supported Greece's heroic struggle to liberate itself from the
Ottoman Turks. Today, Greece thwarts the dreams of Another Balkan
people seeking freedom and peace. 

	Washington has given its ally's temper tantrum more
deference than it deserves. IT OUGHT TO RECOGNIZE INDEPENDENT
MACEDONIA WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY [emphasized by APK]. 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: The Soothsaying Powers of Mr Branko Kostic (VREME NDA 13.Apr 1992)
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16733
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "Vreme" News Digest Agency                      No. 29, April 13 1992.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Soothsaying Powers of Mr. Branko Kostic
    -------------------------------------------


    The  Vice-President of  the so-called  Yugoslav Presidency,  Mr. Kostic,
    gave an interview  to the daily "Politika ekspres".  It was published on
    April 5,  24 hours before the  EC recognized Bosnia and  Herzegovina. On
    that occasion Mr.  Kostic said: "I am convinced that  on April 6 nothing
    unusual  will  happen,  although  that  particular  date  is  once again
    dictated from  Germany... Regardless of  that, I estimate  that B&H will
    not be recognized on that day".

    On Tuesday, April  7, 24 hours after the recognition  of B&H, Mr. Kostic
    told Radio Belgrade: "I am not surprised by the recognition of B&H".


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "Vreme" News Digest Agency                      No. 29, April 13 1992.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Watch out! Andrej is coming. Was: (Re: Croatian postage stamps)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:49:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.214124.11200@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
> Evo, za tvoju informaciju, nekoliko programskih
>nacela Slovenske nacionalne stranke (SNS):
>
>-Vratiti Sloveniji Istru koju je Kardelj poklonio Hrvatima
>-Srbi koji su ostali u Sloveniji moraju da se deklarisu kao Slovenci
>-Za dobijanje slovenackog drzavljanstva bilo bi potrebno 20 godina 
> boravka u Sloveniji, poznavanje slovenackog jezika, ekonomska uredjenost
> i proklamacija za Slovenca
>-Da se socijalna prava obezbede samo Slovencima i slovenackim drzavljanima
>-Slovenci moraju imati prednost prilikom zaposljavanja
>-U stranku SNS pristupuju samo genetski sigurni Slovenci

Hm, mar to pomeni, da bo treba tebe zaradi benedejcIC se dobro
preveriti, preden te bodo spustili v stranko? Samo na cigavi listi bos
potem kandidiral za mesto predsednika, ki ti ga obljublja Mladen?-)

LPA
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Misplaced Serbian generosity
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:44:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.184424.6822
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <9204072010.AA04730@rd01.wg2.waii.com>, zeljko%rd01@se01.wg2.waii.com (Zeljko Jericevic) writes:
|> 
|> For some time now, every Serbian patriot had a reason to be bitterly
|> disappointed with the European anti-Serbian conspiracy and after the
|> recognition of BiH, Croatia and Slovenia by the United States, that
|> extends to the New World and it's Order as well.
|> In such a world, really do not pay up for Serbs to be generous. Only thing
|> they wanted is about 60% of Bosnia and Hercegovina, and having in mind that
|> Serbs make about 30% of population in BiH this claim was twice as generous
|> as the one in Croatia. In Croatia, Serbs make up about 12% of the population
|> and want at least 50% of the Croatian territory. It should be obvious to
|> everybody who can master the elementary mathematic, that using the same
|> principle, Serbs have a claim to at least 120% of BiH territory, and they
|> were taking only half of what was theirs.
|> Refusal to go along with this generous offer is one more proof of
|> Papal-Muslim-Capitalist-Imperialist-etc conspiracy against the greatest
|> warrior race on this planet, the proud and gracious Serbian people.
|> 
|> Zeljko Jericevic

I think it would be interesting to calculate how much of
Europe and the World REALLY blongs to Serbia.  Anyone with
the will and the right data out there?  :-)
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Flood-wave in Bosnia
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:34:24 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.143911.20139@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>
>On the other hand, Serbian guerilla are people under command of
>criminal Arkan (comming from Belgrade) and are acting officially in
>disagreement with Serbian leaders of B&H as well.
>
>LPA

Actually, Andrej, you should be careful when calling Arkan names.  You see,
he was born in the Slovene town of Brezice.  Interestingly enough, Miroslav
Lazanski and Paraga were also born in Slovenia!  Hmmm . . .  I guess, then,
that ours is a country of aggressive people!  God, I can't believe it!
Especially since I am such a peaceful and good-natured angel. . . . 

Regards,

Andrej

P.S.  I know I'll get flamed for this, but I simply couldn't resist the
      temptation.  So, ladies and gentlemen, here is the new coat-of-arms
      of the town of Visegrad:

    

                            _____
                  .____---~~     ~~---____.
                  TI                     IT
                  !I                     I!                                 
                   X       |||||||       X
                   XL      |     |      JX
                   II     ( o   o )     II
                   II      \ ___ /      II      
                    X       \___/       X       
                    ``     _ | | _     ''
                     \\- _-_ -_- _-_ -//
                       \\_-  -_-  -_//
                         ``       ''
                           ``-_-''
                              

P.S.  Ha, ha, ha!  That's black humor for you all!