From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Steve-TOO, are you out there?
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.213942.10665@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>Ooh no, I'm entering a discussion on the net! :-)
>
>I don't think it's a matter of "forcing each other" to inhale
>our smoke, farts or water. It's a matter of each of us trying
>to do what we enjoy. Then there's that matter of whether it
>bugs other people. If it does, it needs to be worked out, and
>you can work it out by telling someone to fuck off, or by profusely
>apologizing and leaving the show at once, or somewhere in between.
>I don't see where we have to stick to hard and fast rules to
>settle our problems. Why not take it as it goes? If people are
>willing to put up with some of my idiosynchrasies, I can deal with
>some of theirs. 
>

It's nice to hear a reasonable neutral perspective. Just the same,
long hair <you're parody of which I've deleted> and smoking at
indoor venues aren't evenly remotely related. There are no laws
against long hair, it poses no inconvenience much less health
threat to anyone else, it doesn't seriously interfere with anybody
else's ability to enjoy the show. It may be a pet peeve of yours
<or maybe not, I assume this was parody>, but smoking at indoor
shows is more than that. It IS against the law. It DOES pose a
very real and significant health threat to those around you
<I'm not going to bother defending this point anymore, it is
widely known, the studies are readily available and nobody
besides the tobacco industry and nicotine addicts dispute the
point at all>, and for many people it completely makes it
impossible for us to enjoy a show. Personally being in the
proximity of a smoker makes me nauseous, makes my eyes burn,
and gives me a severe headache. I have almost never found
smokers in public areas to be even remotely interested in
how their foul habit might be effecting those around them,
therefore it is pointless to me even ask anymore. Generally
most smokers feel that they have some right to smoke in 
public areas despite laws to the contrary. A brief glance
at some of the recent postings will confirm the vehemence
and hostility with which they feel compelled to make this
point. 
   I'm sure there are many smokers who are more considerate,
   but they probably aren't smoking in the public areas so
   it harder to identify them. 

>Personally, I hate people with long hair at shows. Gosh, it just
>ruins my show. You know, it just bugs me. Do I have the right to
>ask them to cut it off? Some people are nice about it and get a
>little trim on the spot, but then there are those assholes whom I
>have to get kicked out of the show. People tell me I'm out of my
>mind, but hey, "we're all confused".
>
>I understand about being bugged by cigarette smoke. 
>But it seems anti-smokers get too militant at times,
>too. And don't we have enough wars on the planet as
>it is? Let's make getting along a priority, as well as
>having a good time individually. I think they're connected,
>somehow. Well, enough rambling. 
>
>Bill
>
>
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