HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Marijuana: Don't barbecue your brain
Keywords: Thanks, Dave!
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:57:30 GMT

In article <Bt6v7o.4H@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>This is some really incredible stuff.  I don't know when/where it was
>originally published, and I don't know whether/when it was ever posted
>here, but here goes.  For all I know, it might even be a put-on, but
>it's good for a laugh anyway...
>
>		      Marijuana:                         _underscore_ == italics
>	       Don't barbecue your brain
>	
>	Pot, weed, dope, grass - millions of people,
>	including musicians, writers and even presi-
>	dential candidates smoke marijuana,
>	believing that it's a harmless way to relax,
>	recreate, and expand your mind.  But just
>	because you don't have to use a hypodermic
>	needle to use marijuana doesn't mean that
>	it's not a drug.  Drugs kill, and marijuana is
>	no exception.  In fact, _every_time_you_light_a_
>	joint,_part_of_your_brain_actually_catches_on_
>	fire_and_burns,_leaving scars that impair
>	mental functioning.  The smoke from these
>	small fires remains inside the skull and has
>	nowhere to escape, so this smoke will
>	continue to cause brain damage throughout
>	the marijuana user's short life.  Don't get
>	burned out - don't smoke dope.
>	
>	       The Partnership for a 
>		 Drug-Free America
>
>---
>gak			Der Herr Buergermeister gibt bekannt, dass ab



Considering the informed nature of this post, I would cite it
in either the mid 1930's, or 1992.






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From: mhergert@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Mark Ivan Hergert)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Desmanthus illinoensis
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:51:40 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

In article <BstvGo.2oE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dhappe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (avid allen happe) writes:
>
>
>Anyone have any details about the consumption of the roots of
>Desmanthus illinoensis?  It supposedly contains useful amounts
>of DMT.
>
	I was reading the book "The botany and chemistry of halucinogens"
by Albert Hoffman and some other person, that had many species of plants
that contained DMT in the roots and bark.  The natives in the area all use
these plants in their ceremonies.  I have not got the book any more, but
i just meant to say that there are useful amounts of DMT in a lot of 
different plants, mainly from the South American region.  If you allready
know this then read the book any way, it's really good. If you have allready
read the book, well i'm sorry i've been of absolutely no help at all.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.161510.2895@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Well, as a matter of fact, I have been toying with the idea of giving
>a close friend a trip, and then telling him/her to use it on me
>some time in the next 6 months without me knowing about it, just to
>see what it would be liked to be tripped without warning.

Prior permission would certainly let your friend off the hook.  But you're
playing with fire.  Think back on the last six months.  Is there really no
time when you wouldn't have minded a trip?

It's not really the same thing either.  You'll start feeling weird and
realize what's going on.  You'll call your friend and have a chuckle about
it.  People who genuinely don't expect it may think they're going crazy.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:18:10 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.

Thomas Grant Edwards writes:
> studies where rats' minds are altered physically or chemically,
> and maze run times are used as a measure of performance

Performance of what?

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:25:16 GMT

In article <376.9208140717@ail.amdahl.com> Xanadu@kublai.com writes:
>Hi again,
>
>	In keeping with the present tone of a.d flaming and to preempt the inev
table,
>allow me the pleasure of flaming my earlier post myself : 
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
>>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>>	across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>>	poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>>	to some degree, or if it's species dependant.
>                                   ^^^^^^^
>
>	Listen, asswipe, all poppies are the same species. Jeez, you
>	scum spewing, motherfucking, asslicking toe rag, what the fuck
>	do you think that you're doing posting to this group? Christ,
>	every fucking kid and his grandmother knows about species. So
>	haul your fucking ass of this board fast. Don't even bother
>	getting a life, finish the one you've got. Holy shit, don't you
>	guys know anything ?
>
>		Species my ass,
>			Halo Pedant.
>
>
>


 I'm afraid you won't make a very good botanist. There are MANY species of 
poppy. Even several genera. But there _is_ only one specie of OPIUM poppy
and that is Papaver somniferum. 

 So there... :-P

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.213619.5445@news.cs.indiana.edu> hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
}
}Just a clarification.  The so-called open container law is a 
}prohibition against having an open container of an alcoholic beverage
}in an automobile.  Thus, if you are visiting friends for dinner, don't
}take an open, unfinished bottle of wine with you because if you are
}stopped, you have violated the open container law.  That is how it
}works.  The argument is that the wonderful law will decrease the
}incidence of drunk driving because people will not drink while driving --
}the only way to drink while driving requires an open container.

Oops.  And here I thought you meant laws against carrying open containers of
alcohol by pedestrians on public walkways or streets.

Even I can see that this law would be of little use for either wine bottles
with corks or screw-top alcoholic beverages like some wine coolers, beers, and
malt liquors.  They'll just replace the tops!


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:51:21 GMT

In article 30135@dante.uucp, mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>If they didn't want to, then you've just fucked them up.  Only a
>severe asshole would do that to someone.

Someone might do it to a severe asshole.

---
gak
107/H/3&4

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: batboy@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke)
Subject: couple o' smokes
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:00:49 GMT

Ho-

	A few weeks back, someone posted requesting info on the health
risks of smoking 2 or 3 cigarettes a day.  Some asshole dismissed him,
claiming his use would undoubtedly increase in the near future to full
scale smoking levels (I don't have the post but that was the gist.  No, I
don't know what "full-scale levels" are).  I had been meaning to ask the
same question and was excited to see that I may get an answer sooner than
I expected.  Well, we can't all be resonable, non-projecting brothuhs and
sistuhs.
	I've seen passing comments on the subject since then, such as "the
lungs are able to remove six cigarettes worth of nicotine a day", and the
like.
	But I'm asking again:  Does anyone have info on the damage done by
2 or 3 cigarettes in a 24 hour period?  Is the nicotine taken care of but
the carcinogens are still a major risk?  I'm not sure of the right
questions to ask, but any info would be greatly appreciated.
	I have smoked varying amounts for the last 5 years, but in the
last year a have kept to about 2 per day.  Ignoring my past habit, what
kind of damage am I doing today?

Thanks
-Tom
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:55:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.161514.12308@spdcc.com>
  <1992Aug17.195959.13543@ttinews.tti.com>

>Would the gun-controllers want to ban it?  Or would they use its
>availability as additional justification for banning real guns?

Yes.
	

    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch (Joan Vollmer)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:18:19 GMT

wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:

>studies that cite eyewitness accounts agree (to varying
>degrees, admittedly) that Joan goaded him in that particular
>incident.  Yeah, most of the folks there were drunk but their
>accounts agree on the basic facts.  Joan, apparently, could be
>a real bitch when she was in the throes of Benzedrine fury.  Normally
>this daredevil shooting act was his idea, but this one time
>she suggested it and prodded him in his stupor to do it.

Whether someone goaded him or how drunk he was has 0 relevence to
his guilt or responsibility in the incident.  The act was stupid
and unforgivable, and the death was his responsibility 100%.  He pointed
a gun at someone's head and pulled the trigger.  Her death was a
natural and predictable consequence of that act.  What the hell did
he think was going to happen?

He is just as guilty as the SWAT team shooter in Snohomish County Wa,
who "accidentaly" killed the woman during a raid.   Same MO too, pointed
a gun at her head and pulled the trigger.  (The early accounts of the
raid said the poor man was "supprised" that the gun went off (as if it 
wouldn't, when the operator pulls the trigger), and the papers refered 
to the incident as a "gun misfire".)

Jim Del Vecchio

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:11:02 GMT

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>>3. What drugs are dogs trained to sniff for, just MJ or other stuff too?
>MJ and cocaine, probably.  Those are the most popular.

   Yes, in the US. Here the second most popular one is speed. So far, the speed
imported has been somewhat impure and the local dogs were actually trained
to smell the impurities. Now, a lot of amphetamine of extreme purity has been
flowing into the country and the police dogs haven't noticed it! Currently,
drug sniffing dogs are being trained for the new smell. Which precursor
is more smelly than amphetamine sulphate? Or could it be that it contained
traces of amphetamine base, which is a liquid at NTP and very aromatic?

   Oh yeah, the .fi stands for Finland.
-- 
Jani Heinonen                  "The worm is not psychoactive."
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 --David A. Honig
From: cutrell@nic.cerf.net (Doug Cutrell)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Australian stuff (anonymous)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:23:07 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Jeremy (jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au) writes:
 
	>Did you find DOB to be annoyingly long in duration?
	>Did you find that it had worse physical side-effects than LSD?
 
The answer to the first question is yes, at the higher (normal)
dosage -- feeling kind of phase shifted from reality for a day
and a half, really.... but no at the lower dosage (probably around
0.5 mg).  At both dosages, there was a kind of primary effect which
lasted about 12 hours, but at the higher dosage there was a
secondary effect that kept going and going....
 
The answer to the second question is no... there was the usual
sympathetic nervous system stimulation common to all hallucinogens,
with butterflies in the stomach, etc... and a stimulatory component
which seems to be present in most phenethylamine compounds.
I would say it resembled mescaline more than anything else that I'm
familiar with, and I suspect that the occasionally encountered street
"bromo-mescaline" is really DOB.  As I stated in my previous posting,
the one really novel component to the effects was a somatic
expressiveness that I suspect reflects the close chemical similarity
to 2C-B, the ultimate in somatic connections (according to Shulgin).
I should say that at the lower dose level, there was definitely an
emotional stimulation and unshielding similar to MDMA, without the
euphoria.
 
Doug
cutrell@cerf.net

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Marijuana: Don't barbecue your brain
Keywords: Thanks, Dave!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:59:48 GMT

This is some really incredible stuff.  I don't know when/where it was
originally published, and I don't know whether/when it was ever posted
here, but here goes.  For all I know, it might even be a put-on, but
it's good for a laugh anyway...

		      Marijuana:                         _underscore_ == italics
	       Don't barbecue your brain
	
	Pot, weed, dope, grass - millions of people,
	including musicians, writers and even presi-
	dential candidates smoke marijuana,
	believing that it's a harmless way to relax,
	recreate, and expand your mind.  But just
	because you don't have to use a hypodermic
	needle to use marijuana doesn't mean that
	it's not a drug.  Drugs kill, and marijuana is
	no exception.  In fact, _every_time_you_light_a_
	joint,_part_of_your_brain_actually_catches_on_
	fire_and_burns,_leaving scars that impair
	mental functioning.  The smoke from these
	small fires remains inside the skull and has
	nowhere to escape, so this smoke will
	continue to cause brain damage throughout
	the marijuana user's short life.  Don't get
	burned out - don't smoke dope.
	
	       The Partnership for a 
		 Drug-Free America

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gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch micht mehr in den Bach geschissen
107/H/3&4		werden darf.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Johnny Potseed! (EVERYONE! PLEASE READ! And pass on the word!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:03:03 GMT

bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo)) writes:
: 
: I don't know about Ohio, but on the west coast most fields are discovered
: from the air, using high-tech IR equipment which detects a heat signature
: unique to cannabis.

The heat signature is not unique. They find the stuff because it is different
from that of the covering plants, and is usually planted in what the government
determines is a "suspicious arrangement" of plants.

Bill
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dosing and vodka
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:41:28 GMT
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: iain@ttel.ling's message of 17 Aug 92 14:42:37 GMT

Please don't do this to people. See some of the other threads on this
group for a reason. Maybe your friend wouldn't like tripping while at
a party, surrounded by other people, some of them drinking. Maybe she
changed her mind or was going to. All my FOAFs who took LSD would sort
of decide on the fly -- It's a serious decision up until the moment
that the paper dissolves on your tongue... And that's true even if you
drop every week. Which isn't necessarily such a harmful/unpleasant
experience BTW.

    -- David Durand

If you want to dose yourself, there's no _chemical_ problem mixing
alcohol and LSD, but most people find that drunkenness is not that
pleasant a combination with tripping. A beer to smooth out the jitters
until you're up though can be affective and not unpleasant.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Question about LSD (Microdot)
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:31:55 GMT

>>Keith!  That's pretty bad advice.  If they melted, what's left is definitely
>>not worth taking. This particular molecule doesn't particularly like this world
>>very much, and heat, light, finger oil, etc. etc.  tend to turn it into
>>strychnine! ;
>
>The above statement is false. LSD will NEVER turn into strychnine, the two 
>molecules are not related at all!

You dimwit, of course they're not related at all - but read what the
poster said.  Clearly it reads that the molecule doesn't like _this_
world, and that's exactly why it has a tendency of apparently turning
into strychnine.  In reality it is not turning into strychine but a
matter transfer is occurring with this universe and the strychnine
universe, so you must keep a close eye on the tabs (a consciousness
concentration tends to keep things from transferring to other
universes, a bit like a mass concentration keeps objects from drifting
into space).

Correspondingly, the people in the strychnine universe have trouble
with strychnine being replaced by LSD - go see at the constant whining
about this in the posts on alt.society.revolution leaking out from the
strychnine universe.  It isn't particularly nice being trying to
assassinate people and then finding out that when you are poisoning
someone he just gets sent on a trip.

//Jyrki
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:30:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <frank2.12@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
>I heard an interesting story recently: 
>
>A small amount of grass was mailed in a letter from South Africa to someone 
>in Australia. The grass did not reach its destination, but the Australian 
>police did. They visited the person to whom the letter was addressed, who 
>claimed ignorance and innocence - and was therefore not prosecuted.
>
>What intrigues me about this story is how, with all the thousands of letters 
>that must come into the country daily, was this one intercepted?

Although the volume of international mail coming into a country is
relatively large, it is usually a small percentage of the volume of
domestic mail.  These days drug sniffing dogs are really sensitive,
too.  Lastly, you have to realize that this was the letter that was
caught, and that many more may have gotten through without anyone
noticing.

Is there any info in the FAQ about fooling drug sniffing dogs?
I've heard that if you tightly seal dope in an impermeable
enclosure (polyethylene, say), thoroughly wash and deodorize the
package, and then pack it with coffee to further mask the smell,
that you have a good chance of fooling the dogs.  Any truth to
this?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: vandelhg@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (MCG)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Followup-To: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Organization: Vanderbilt
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.125933.25490@linus.mitre.org>,
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) wrote:
> 
> Albert Hofmann's _LSD: My Problem Child_ mentions i.v. chlorpromazine
> (Thorazine) as an antidote for LSD.  Isn't this the same drug they use 
> to incapacitate large unfriendly animals for scientific tagging?
> 
> Anyway, it might be handy for a tripper to have some of this around in case
> he wanted to abort a bad trip.  
> 
> 
> Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"


		Be careful with Thorazine -- when you administer it to a tripper, it
suddenly stops the trip -- kind of like pulling the emergency brake on a
car that's doing 65 mph.  The sudden end can also be bad -- but, if the
tripper is convinced they're in Hell or something, a sudden stop is better
than no stop.




MCG>
Exist?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:59:33 GMT

Albert Hofmann's _LSD: My Problem Child_ mentions i.v. chlorpromazine
(Thorazine) as an antidote for LSD.  Isn't this the same drug they use 
to incapacitate large unfriendly animals for scientific tagging?

Anyway, it might be handy for a tripper to have some of this around in case
he wanted to abort a bad trip.  

In addition, I'd like to have one of those animal-incapacitating dart guns
around.  I'd rather not have to deal with the morality/legality of killing
somebody who was trying to steal my car stereo.

Does anybody know what kind of permits are required to legally procure this
stuff?  Or where I should look for more info?  The local newsstand is fresh
out of "Chlorpromazine Hunter."  :^)

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.