HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 20:08:54 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
 <1992Apr10.055822.5580@amhux2.amherst.edu> <1992Apr10.212138.20108@reed.edu>

In article <1992Apr10.212138.20108@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
says:
>You have one, it's called #gblf, the channel for gays, lesbians,
>bisexuals, and their friends. AKA GLBO*. A couple of motssers hang out
>there from time to time - BBC and Larry (aka ebear).
>
>Having more motssers there would be nice, but on a regular basis? I
>don't know. I'm beginning to think I generally prefer store and
>forward type systems to real-time things. Besides, it's a major time
>sink.

I think IRC is a good thing, and #GBLF is a very active channel.
Sometimes conversation there is silly, other times it's a wasteland,
but there are times when things are really good.  For those of you
who have blown off IRC as useless - take another look - it's not
all "college kids with nothing to do".

IRC IS a time sink - but it can also be a good use of time.

-Tim  (MrTim on IRC)
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oscars
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:58:45 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

In article <1992Apr4.224245.27245@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>I dunno.  After having seen the movie,(Fried Green Tomatoes) it
>seemed like the filmmakers tried to have it all--the women's 
>lesbianism was obvious to anyone clued in (a lot more than Jodie 
>Fosters' acceptance speech!) while still muted for the oblivious.

Since I was out of the country last week when the Academy Awards was
aired, I missed all of this.  (Well, not entirely.  I did see a condensed
version the next day with German overdubbing).  Can somebody please
clue me in on the general tone of Jodie Foster's speech.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       | 
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |    "A man without a newsgroup"
                                     | 
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mike Duffy speaks @ UMassLowell
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:16:44 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


     Speaking as someone who's known a few gay republicans, I'd like to say they often turn out to be people who have an awful lot invested in the status quo. 
     The few I've known have also had some rather homo-negative ideas about thei own gayness and other gay people.  Perhaps I've just known the wrong gay republicans.  I invite any who might be out there to enlighten me as to why one who is gay would be remotely drawn to the republican party.
From: shortell@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Laurel L Shortell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Your Hair...
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:22:09 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <2085@uswnvg.UUCP> dfpedro@uswnvg.UUCP.UUCP (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
>n2473@ASPEN.CRAY.COM (Robert Bernard) writes:
>>Something light for April 1st:
>
>>Who does your hair?
>
 A very cool hairdresser named Jerry has been doing my
hair for 7 years now, and I don't allow another soul
to touch my hair. He is amazing and I enjoy my
haircuts every three weeks. It's like therapy
going to see him. I just went yesterday, so I am
quite happy.

Laurel
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:33:43 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II):
> And no, AIDS isn't caused by gay sex, but as others have pointed out
> in medical literature, with homosexuals having very high rates for other
> sexually transmitted diseases, AIDS does tend to favor people who practice
> gay sex[*].  The 90% of AIDS victims in California that are gay bear this
> out - and when you consider the 10% of California is "supposed" to be gay,
> that's still quite a feat for a disease that isn't "caused by gay sex".

what is your point john?  why don't you stop hiding behind fluffy
language and state exactly what you mean?  i find bigots reprehensible,
but i find closetted bigots to be utterly revolting.

i take specific offense at your sentence "AIDS does tend to favor
people who practice gay sex."  it's obvious that your deformed
hypothalamus is applying too much pressure to surrounding gray matter.
let me take you back to square one: AIDS is a virus.  AIDS is not a
sentient being.  therefore, AIDS can not "favor" one thing over
another.  as an analogy of my meaning, rocks are broken into pebbles
and carried away by streams, but you can't make the claim that rocks
don't "favor" water.  is this clear?

when you personify AIDS in this manner, you perpetuate the myth of
AIDS as the conscious destroyer of humanity.  simpletons then
start blathering idiocy involving God, sin, and a host of other
"perversions."

another point: AIDS is not *caused* by gay sex.  AIDS is *TRANSMITTED*
by sex involving the exchange of blood products.  i should repeat that
because strayt people have been so fucking clueless [sic] that many of
the newest statistics are pointing the incriminating finger at strayts
and teens.  AIDS IS *TRANSMITTED* by sex involving the exchange of
blood products.

it is unfortunate that anal sex poses such a risk, but to call anal sex
"gay sex" is like calling soda "Coke."  strayts engage in anal sex;
strayts engage in vaginal sex.  vaginal sex has been known to transmit
AIDS.  vaginal sex is not a form of "gay sex" in the sense of gay
referring to male homosexuality.

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Xref: sparky soc.motss:20223 soc.bi:4505
From: rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (S^u~n^wa U~ Wachi)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Evolutionary reason for homo/bisexuality?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:47:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: mtdiablo.1992Apr13.194729.2101
Organization: Secret Motss Cabal, Heavy Unbearable Reason Division

rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) wrote:
>Recently I've found myself speculating on a question that,
>surprisingly, I haven't seen discussed here:  What is the evolutionary
>reason for homo- and bisexuality?

There are so many philosophical problems with the question that it's
not worth answering.

First, the question presumes a natural separation of sexual orientation
along het/non-het lines.

Second, only sentient beings have "reasons" for things. You're acting
as if evolution is a phenomenon guided by some intelligence/purpose/etc.
-- 
Rob Bernardo       				rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US
    "There are three kinds of pianists in the world.  Jewish pianists,
    homosexual pianists, and bad pianists." -- Vladimir Horowitz
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:53:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19333
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <NLHuiB2w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

>For some very EROTIC stories, read John Varley's "Titan" series.  Oh
>my!  It's getting hot in here just thinking about those horse
>creatures in heat... !

For some very interesting stuff about gender, read some of his other
stories -- "Options", from _Blue Champagne_, and "The Phantom of
Kansas", (don't have an anthology name for that one in my head, sorry),
and others.  Lots of stuff about what life would be like if sex changes
were easy and reversible.  (Kind of heterocentric, though.)

-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Distribution: na
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Apr10.212005.22302@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.175929.7548@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM>
>michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes: 
>>I suggested Thomas Disch, who IS gay, but nobody has commented
>>on it yet, including the poster of the original question.
>
>My original answer was: Delaney, Bradley, and Clarke. (I had forgotten
>about Disch, in spite of having really enjoyed `On Wings of Song' when
>it came out.) However, given the clue I subsequently posted (household
>word), I think that Disch has to be considered the correct answer, given
>that the only houses Clarkes (or Clerks, in the modern spelling) are
>found in are City Halls. 
>
>Congrats, Michelle. 

Thank you Vincent.

And thank you to all the little people who moved the
keyboard back and forth under my fingers to help me
"virtual touch-type".


Michelle Elliott
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 9 Apr 1992 14:33:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <3316@daily-planet.concordia.ca> 
gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
...
> On the other hand, why you like the Big Orange better than Chicago I'm
> not sure. Parts of La La Land would be just fine if only the rest of
> it would disappear.

Shall I take offense?  No, although how anyone could stand to live for
more than 5 minutes surrounded by Chicaaago aaacents is beyond me.

Arne

P.S. I hope you don't want to disappear the base of Laurel Canyon --
I'd have to move, and that's such a chore.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:48:08 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <2647@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel
Whitfield) writes:

>Elisabeth Schwarzkopf singing Ah, chi mi dice mai from Don Giovanni,
>though I must admit that my performance is probably more in the style
>of Divine...

Ah, the memories.  Once at the Lyric, it was rumored that ES
was ill and would not be that evening's Donna Elvira, that
the substitute would be Lisa von Haueschen, I mean, della
Casa.  But comes the time, and on sweeps the bosom to be
recognized even at that great distance, and out comes those
very words, in Her voice.  Never has foul rumor been more
delightfully dashed!

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: baer@cs.mcgill.ca (Larry Baer)
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Summary: Gonna Have Some Fun Tonight
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:25:04 GMT


In article <92104.140503SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>My all time knock em dead performance is probably as Etta James.  I
>find myself especially spellbinding doing "Let's Burn the Cornfield Down"
>au naturel in the light a bank of seventy-eight votive candles.  It's
>very powerful but requires a hell of a lot of air conditioning.

Au naturel?  But, Jack, you can leave your hat on :-)
(Sorry, but, fool that I am, something got a hold of me.  Baby, what you
want me to do?  I'd better stop now 'cause I'm feelin' uneasy:)

> Jack Carroll     "One no longer has to parody, it is enough to quote --"
><SECBH@CUNYVM>
>                                                  Thomas Merton
-- 
Larry Baer, 		  | When you're away, I'm restless, lonely,
McGill University,  	  | Wretched, bored, dejected; only
Montreal  		  | Here's the rub, my darling dear,
baer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | I feel the same when you are near.- S. Hoffenstein
From: pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ???Behaviorist Brainwashing????
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr6.120511.10763
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Mar30.232944.8619@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1992Mar28.065036.3561@techbook.com> nancyp@techbook.com (Nancy Parsons) writes:
>>That's my own experience - your mileage may vary.  But if you're
>>concerned about your children being molested, you shouldn't be
>>nearly as concerned with some secret NAMBLA conspiracy as with
>>your boyfriend, or your husband, or your heterosexual next-door
>>neighbor.  
>
>You are allowing the criminals word to be taken at face value.  Do
>you honestly expect a man who enjoys having sex with little boys
>to admit that he is gay?  No.  But by the simple definition of
>"homosexuality", a male who has sex with other males is a homosexual.

No definition is simple.  For that reason, any argument which relies
solely on the dictionary definition of this word or that is the last
refuge of the criminally wrong.

>If you are a males, and you have sex with males,
>you are either homosexual or bisexual.

Haugh, if I were to march into your house, rip down your pants and
anally pummel you into submission, would you therefore consider
yourself a homosexual?  Simply because you'd had sex with a male?
That's absurd.

>The first protest will be that pedophiles aren't homosexuals.  Well,
>if they aren't homosexuals, then perhaps they aren't heterosexuals
>either,

Of course.  That's why they kept grabbing her body whenever they had
the opportunity.  Duh.

>in which case I think Nancy owes heterosexual men everywheres
>an apology.

Personally, I think that you owe human beings everywheres [sic] an
apology.  But you're not likely to give it either, right?

Haugh, why ARE you here?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / pierce@husc.harvard.edu   /         See it and understand.
 \/ (aka twpierce@amherst.edu) /
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:46:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.184620.6965
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:

> Thomas Disch.  

Thomas Disch's _The Businessman_ is great.  An evil businessman
is plagued by spirits and demons, both embodied and disembodied,
of recently dead relatives.  His spirit aunt ends up caught,
invisibly, in a Virgin Mary statue trapped in a Sears revolving
door, on her way to the escalator to Paradise.  A demon fetus 
aborted with a pair of scissors inspires a 12-year-old boy to
axe- and arson-murder his whole family.  In Paradise you can 
watch your whole life on video.  There are also a poet stuck
in limbo with his eyes gored out, and a gay man named Bunny
who MCs a bingo game for matrons in Vegas.

_Fun with your New Head_ is another of my faves, though _332_,
_M.D._, _Triplicity_, _The Man Who Had No Idea_, and _The
Genocides_ don't please me.  There's more.  _Wings of Desire_
is all right.  Disch is ok.

>Disch's response (among other things he said) --
>
>       ...I am "admittedly gay" myself...
>
>("admittedly gay" was the term the reader had used
>to describe Burroughs, and Disch made it clear he
>did not like it too much)

The Boston Globe once described me as an "admitted bisexual"
which sent me into a small rage ("didn't even have to use
the truncheons, George - just confessed right off").  :-(
I also *admit* to having a dog, liking mashed potatoes, and 
scads of other things, but they didn't print those.

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
From: cardenas@magenta.ucsb.edu (Cardenas;Mary;P.;;;MECE;Grad;920630;;;8-402550-19906-7;200)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:35:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

>>In article <92106.193952IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
>>(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>> 
>>> so who writes abotu lesbians?  are there any outside of the


James Tiptree --"Houston Houston Do You Read?" and many of her other
short stories.

mary


Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Are there any Gay support groups around Queen's University, Ireland ?
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:56:24 GMT

An acquaintance of mine is rather depressed because her cousin (he's going
to (I believe she said) Queen's University, Ireland) has been writing her
lots of depressing letters. He's come out to her, and he's depressed
because he's lonely and and doesn't know very many other gay people, etc.
He's found a gay group or two, but they are very militant, and he wants to
avoid that (he hasn't come out to his immediate family and doesn't want them
to find out from a newpaper) so, are there any non-militant gay support groups
in the mentioned area of Ireland that he could go to ?

Please send email, as I don't normally read these newsgroups.

I will post a summary (if there is interest) of the responses in a couple
of weeks.

	fred
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:22:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr9.155733.4172@ifi.unizh.ch> kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser) writes:

>What restricts your argument a bit is that soc.motss is still
>likelier to be a place where gay people find good arguments than
>a place where bigots get inspiration for their bigotry.

A real bigot finds his material anywhere he looks. They view the world 
through filters of their bigotry and behold the evidence in all they survey.
Those who are hostile in their prejudiced outlook see any queer talk
as surveilance of an enemy, it certainly inspires them to more bigotry
no matter what individuals may say.
To be sure similar *programs* run in all our heads.
I call it the game of maximize-minimize, it seems to me that everyone I 
know plays it. You maximize what you like, you minimize what you don't like.
Now that I think of it I Have met some true masochists who play the game 
backwards.. but I better not say anything else I'm thinking or I'll get 
in trouble :-)

LUX .. owen

-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 04:05:49 GMT


Re: Madonna will drop us when we aren't
marketable...

That assumes that putting homopositive
images onscreen and in her career 
was solely intended to shock heterosexuals...
internalized heterosexism rears its 
ugly head.

Her brother is Gay, all of her friends are gay...
Doll, she's a Fag Hag and she's at the point
in her career that she doesn't have to hide that
because she's got more money than God; ideally,
yes it would have been great if she could have
been seen with fags when she was a relative
nobody, or been honest about bisexual 
leanings at the start of her career rather 
than now at the pinnacle; but the reality 
is that she WANTED TO MAKE IT.  If we can excuse
Rock Hudson, Liz Smith and a host of others 
for staying closeted, why is this 
attitude reserved for the Material Girl?  She's
one of the very -few- people in the public eye
willing to say to straight people "We're Here,
We're Queer..."  She deserves to be appreciated for
that.  Further, if she had remianed a nobody,
AmFAR would be several million dollars poorer
right now...try to remember that this woman
is a walking fundraiser for AIDS resarch...

Admittedly I am a huge fan, and my 
devotion to Madonna borders on the
religious, but I dislike sanctimonious
or judgemental attitudes when they
are misplaced.

She's a friend to us; quit looking for
an ulterior motive.
-- 
"Imagine a war in which everyone won..."
Pet Shop Boys, "DJ Culture"
-----------------------------------------
Ward Chanley - bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:42:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) declines:
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) :
>
>I don't buy your image of Roger as a victim.
>
For which the GIF archives will be the poorer.
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:20:52 GMT

Max Meredith Vasilatos (max@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
 
> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>
> > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >>I would rather die than eat decomposed cod ever again.
> 
> >It's a ritual. We had lutefisk only once. We all hated it.
> 
> Oh dear, nobody told me it was Scandinavian Hour on soc.motss.
> I don't have anything prepared for the talent show.

Oh, that's too bad; but I'm happy to hear that it's
the Scandinavian Hour.

I have nothing to contribute either, except that I
adore 'Those Big Northern People'.

[Well, there are a few big Slavic moustaches I wouldn't
 mind grooming, either.]

--jns  [Ans: Who threw up on the leftsa?]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.235253.16586@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes: 
>If the people (gay leaders) that I trusted to watch out for my
>interests had betrayed me, I'd be pissed too.  Can't say that I
>blame you - except that you are blaming the wrong groups.  Try
>looking at the gay rights leaders that refused to admit in 1983
>that AIDS was spread by sexual contact.

Indeed, there was considerable confusion back in 1983. While some gay
activists (Larry Kramer comes to mind) immediately made the connection,
others didn't. In fact, the medical evidence was all over the place.
There was some belief that it was involved with sexual contact, but
another theory was that AIDS (or GRID, as it was then known) was a
`total immune system breakdown' caused by excessive consumption of amyl
and butyl nitrate, marijuana, etc. I remember several individuals at
that time who were concerned enough about AIDS that they immediately
stopped using these substances, but did not practice safer sex, because
there wasn't enough evidence that the transmission of HIV had to do with
body fluids (remember, this was before the discovery of HIV itself).

Given that there wasn't any conclusive data, you can't expect people to
all make the (in hindsight) correct choice. The fact is that once the
link between sexual contact and HIV spread was shown conclusively,
virtually *every* gay `leader' (whatever that word may mean in this
context) endorsed programs aimed at educating gay and lesbian people to
be sexually responsible. Interestingly enough, in both Canada and the
US, governments provided neither endorsation nor significant amounts of
support for programs aimed specifically at gay men. The slowdown in HIV
transmission among gay men is *entirely* due to the GLB community, not
to any other factor. 


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