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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: school uniform
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:52:48 -0500

In article <1992Dec13.152810.2878@gacvx2.gac.edu> censtad@nic.gac.edu    writes:
>In article <T91460NY.92Dec12122126@cs0.sfc.keio.ac.jp>  writes:
>>  I want to know whether students are forced to wear school in your  
>country 
>> 
>> or not, and I want to know whether you think students should wear school 
>> 
>> uniform or not and that reason. Please send your idea to me.
>> 
>>  My adress is t91460ny@sfc.keio.ac.jp
>
>We are not forced to wear anything, but if R. Waigh had her way I'd have  
>to wable with a woman seeing my body when I'm not intimate with her

Talk about a non sequitur!!

I imagine that this above disjointed thought meant that you would be
"forced" to deal with a woman seeing your body when you weren't
intimate with them.  May I ask why it doesn't bother you for men to
see your body when you aren't intimate with them?  

Just because you live under the same roof with people does not mean
you are "forced" to be nude around them.  That'd be one strange
household if it was.  I have lived in co-ed situations, and it's no
big deal.  If you can't handle it, I have to question the evolvement
of your attitudes about sex, men and women, and a whole slew of other
things. 

amy

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Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:33:57 GMT

In article <Bz7nKp.7LM@rice.edu> conor@owlnet.rice.edu (Conor Frederick Prischmann) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.032106.21567@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Simple?  Whaddaya mean, simple?  "Freshman" has only two syllables, while
>>>"First-Year Student" has four.  

>>But "freshman student at the University of Pennsylvania, class of 1995"
>>has a couple of dozen or so syllables.  While "first-year" has two.
>>Gee, comparing apples and oranges is fun!

>What are you talking about??  "Freshman" and "First-Year Student" are
>equivilent terms.  

So, colloquially, are "freshman" and "first-year" (accent on the first 
syllable).

>"Freshman student at the university of Penn, class of 95"
>is not equivilent to either.  You are the one comparing apples and oranges.

>>>from using a normal, widely accepted, only considered offensive by people
>>>who have too much time on their hands term to a twice as long one.

>>So you have no objections to replacing "chairman" with "chair"?

>I certainly don't.  They are equivilent terms.  However, one should be able
>to use the normal term, "chairman", without being termed sexist.

But "chair" has been a normal term for 150 years!  Why does "chairman" 
get this privilege?

>>>Also, what is so inaccurate about "freshman"?  

>>It's infinitely less descriptive than "first-year".  And first-year
>>rhymes with more words, anyway, so it's better suited for Hallmark cards.

>"Infinitely less descriptive"??  I guess "first-year" must have some other
>meaning for you.  For me, and the rest of the English speaking world, they
>mean exactly the same thing.

Well, one term is literal, the other metaphorical.  (Some freshmen I've
met were hardly fresh--positively ripe in a few cases.  And many were
not men.)  And in many cases, being literal is a good thing--such as
when one's speaking to people from a different culture.

>>>If words in the english language
>>>are which end in "-man" are generally used to describe humans of either
>>>gender, what is wrong with using them.  

>>But they're not, and only have been in recent years.

>I think you must be confused.  I guess I'll have to refer you to a book, by
>some guy called Webster.  It explains a lot about these sorts of things.
>For example:

>freshman - n. pl. - 1.  a first-year student in a high school, college, etc.
>2.  any beginner

>Sound familiar?

Which proves what?  No info there about the history of the word or its
usage.  Nor about the "=man" issue in general.

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: They (was Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language))
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:18:33 GMT

In article <12149@scott.ed.ac.uk> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.182137.18930@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>>From the keyboard of thf2@midway.uchicago.edu:
>>:It's a shame we don't have a third-person singular the way the Finnish
>>:do.  It would be a simple solution. 
>>We do.
>You don't.
>
>>It's "they".
>It isn't.
>
>English "they"
>    (1) is grammatically plural (as shown by verb agreement),
>    (2) is also the third person plural pronoun,
>and (3) is rejected by a large number of speakers.

I wonder if anyone has any stats on how many people actually reject the
semantically singular (grammatically plural) "they"?  Is it related to age?
I know no one my age who rejects the semantically singular "they", except
perhaps in extremely formal writing.  Could we perhaps be seeing a spreading
of "they" analogous to the replacement of "thou" (singular) by "you" (plural)?
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: t91460ny@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Naoto Yagasaki)
Subject: school uniform
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:21:26 GMT

 Hello!! I'm a student of Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus in Japan. 

I belong to faculty of Environmental Information. 

 I'm searching into School Uniform for English class. In Japan almost all 

the junior high school students are forced to wear school uniforms and 

many high school students are forced to wear school uniform.

 I want to know whether students are forced to wear school in your country 

or not, and I want to know whether you think students should wear school 

uniform or not and that reason. Please send your idea to me.

 My adress is t91460ny@sfc.keio.ac.jp
Xref: sparky soc.college:5648 alt.usage.english:9627
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:30:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzDIIu.G26
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec16.053521.29308@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <BzBtqy.9tL@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.183908.27702@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>>>In article <BzABs3.37r@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>>>Remember, prejudice never exists in language, but rather, in the minds
>>>>of people. So, when terms such as "mankind" conjure up masculine images
>>>>more often than female images, it is actually the PERSON who's responsible
>>>>for the thought. 
>>>Or is it because words such as "mankind" are the masculine counterparts of
>>>words such as "womankind"?
>>But they aren't!  
>
>What word do you use to refer to male humans in general?  

Gee...what a tough question to answer!   :)

                                    
Didn't we have the "you guys" debate recently?  :)

Coming back to your question, no doubt you wanted me to answer "men". 
Well, as I said earlier, "men" is used to indicate "men" and "women"
as well. The predominant usage is to indicate the male species, of
course. But, "men" includes women too, depending upon the context of
the word. This usage is common  in philosophical and proverbial
quotes. 

      Compare this argument to words which have many meanings, depending
upon the context. Just because one meaning is  conveyed more often than
others doesn't justify your attempt to attach this meaning to the word, 
when it used in a different context.

                                                            Mandar. 
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Simon's Rock of Bard - shooting
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:08:15 GMT
	<osterber.724686468@husc8>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.

In article <osterber.724686468@husc8> osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg) writes:
>
>>was "troubled". Some claimed that he was also fairly racist, hating
>>almost all minorities. His father denied the allegations of racism.
>
>From everything that I read, he was a very well-documented racist, and
>quite bigoted (is that a word?). He disapproved of blacks, interracial
>marriages, homosexuals, etc., etc. It appeared he hated everyone except
>caucasion heterosexuals.
>-Rick


	From what I read in the NYT two days ago, he was of
vietnamese descent.  Don't know anything of his politics, but
he was said to hate most anything.

	-rj

--
Ranjan Bagchi					       Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
oo   oooo  o oo   ooo oo oo   oo       o o  oooo ooo o       o        oooooooo
Xref: sparky soc.college:5535 alt.usage.english:9491
From: mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:24:21 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Dec14.171017.2005@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.164222.27808@news.eng.convex.com>, Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM> writes:
>> From the keyboard of gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener):
>> :True, but "freshman" indicates that the student is in the first year of his
>> :or her undergraduate tenure.  
>> 
>> A second-year student could still be a freshman -- they (or do you 
> 						     ^^^^
>> prefer "he, she, or it"?) might not have reached sophomore status 
>> yet due to insufficient credits.
> 
> 	Oh God, not this!  Can't everyone just accept the generic "he" 
> and get on with their lives?!
		    |----------->or is it "his life"?!?!		
> 
 -----------
 Darrick Mix
 Georgetown University
 mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
From: turnerbl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Athletics over Academics at CU, surely not.dir
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:57:10 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Dec14.221612.20642@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, foxm@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mike Fox) writes:
>    This morning, all lower division French classes had their final exam 
> scheduled at 7:30 - 10:30 in the Univeristy of Colorado Event Center.  
> A few minutes before 9:00 students noticed that basketballs were being 
> placed onto the court.  At 9:00 a representative from the French department 
> announced over the loudspeaker that the Lady Buffs needed to practice and 
> that the final was terminated.  The announcer then stated that everyone 
> present, all 580 students, would receive an A for their finals.
> 
>    Talk about integrity.  I'm glad that, once again, academics have
> taken a back seat to athletics.  It gives me a warm feeling just knowing that
> people who didn't do any work this semester will receive the same grade
> as those who studied the language.  Where will it end?  Will CU be
> offering credit for attending football and basketball games?  Perhaps a
> minor (what the hell, a major) in sports spectatorship.  How about
> athletic support as part of the tenure process?  "I'm sorry, but even
> though your research is world-class and your teaching is excellent, you
> just didn't attend enough football games.  Surely Professor, you could
> have used some of your grant money to attend the Fiesta Bowl."
> 
>    Useful phone numbers:  
>       Dean's Office of College of Arts and Sciences   (303) 492 7885
>       President's Office, Judith Albino President     (303) 492 6201
> 
> Mike Fox
Sorry to hear about the death of academics at your school.  We in academics
continue to suffer from the golden rule, those that bring in the gold, make the
rules.  It applies to all segments of our world.  It is sad but true. 
Eventually, all of our big time colleges and universities will become nothing
but farm leagues for organized athletics.  

The worst thing that happens is that athletics pretends to "return" to the
school monies earned from tv and radio.  I really wish the lying would stop and
that we culd all admit that we just suck these kids in, use them and discard
them at alarming rates and keep the money in our athletic departments.  

While I am afraid to tread on toes here, might I remind all of us the % of
those discarded students who are non-white?  The rate is horrific.  I am
appaled.  Chech the Chronicle of Higher Ed for the stats.  Even I was amazed,
and our school is average.  *sigh*

Brian Turner
Admissions Officer
University of Cincinnati
College of Design, Architecture, Art, & Planning



Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:36:45 GMT

In article <BzDLxF.I1M@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>
>I didn't intend to insult feminists. But you realise that there *are*
>feminists who believe that the female race is superior to the male
>race, don't you? Not just that, they allow this prejudice to distance
>themselves from men.

The male "race"?  The female "race"?

For a person who claims to defend language, you are remarkably careless
with your own use of words!

>Those of you who *don't* have those attitudes can do better than just
>fiddling with words. Help the rest of the world realise the detrimental
>effects of such attitudes. When these attitudes dissappear, the need to
>change language will no longer exist.

And how can we change attitudes without using language?  Surgery, maybe?

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: creating a greek newsgroup
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:30:50 GMT

Isn't there already a group called soc.culture.greek?

Oh, you mean fraternities and sororities.  Why didn't you say so?
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Xref: sparky soc.college:5493 alt.usage.english:9462
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:47:23 GMT
 <101793@netnews.upenn.edu> 
 <1992Dec13.032106.21567@midway.uchicago.edu>  <Bz7nKp.7LM@rice.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I've figured out how to get rid of all sexist language!!  Replace all
combinations of letters that spell words denoting one sex with the
combinations referring to the same concept but without sex.  For
example, s-o-n becomes c-h-i-l-d, h-e becomes i-t, h-i-s becomes i-t-s,
and so on:

This produces the following words:
SONG becomes CHILDG (any suggestions on how to pronounce it?)
MANY becomes ONEY (too bad it's so easy to confuse 'oney' with 'one')
and my favorite:
THIS becomes TITS.

(Smileys where appropriate)

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
From: ac4x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ariye M. Cohen)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Comments on the name of F/S (was Re: Comments on Gxxxx Life)
Date: 13 Dec 92 10:27:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wf_tnDi00Vo99m=0UV
	<1992Dec11.110917.2823@gacvx2.gac.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If you have hebrew news reader please tell me where to get it and i'll
reply to you in hebrew....greek life implies something having to do with
greece and if native Greeks are offended we shouldf probably change the
name...however it has become ingrained in American society to use Greek
life synonomously with Fraternities and Sororities.

-arik cohen
Alpha Epsilon Pi
Carnegie Mellon University
From: bcw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN CHESTER WISNESKI)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: e-mail address for Amherst
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:42:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have a friend that attends Daemen College in Amherst NY.  I was wondering if
Daemen has an E-mail system.  She is not very computer literate and doesn't
know what I'm talking about.  If anyone at Amherst College or Daemen
College can help I would greatly appreciate it.  Please E-mail me the info to
                                                    bcw2@Lehigh.edu

                                                    thanks
                                                    Brian
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: creating a greek newsgroup
From: (JOEL MARKOVITS)
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:09:10 -0600
Followup-To: soc.college
Distribution: world

In article <1gabduINNaf1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A.
Uy) wrote:
> 
> 
> Several people have responded with an interest
>  in creating a newsgroup dedicated to the concerns
>  of greek letter organizations.  
> 
> Advantages:  
> 
> 1) easily defined group of traffic distinct from
>  other soc.college messages.
>  
> 2) large greek population would be interested in
>  supporting a forum of their own.
> 
> 3) decrease in the "greeks suck! do not! do too!"
>  flamewars.
> 
> 4) go with the flow + rename main group to
>  soc.college.misc, maybe.  (this is optional).
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 
> 1) decrease in the "greeks suck! do not! do too!"
>  flamewars.
> 
> 2) lotta people just hate splits.
> 
> So what does everyone say?  I don't have the 
>  resources to run a vote, would anyone like to
>  get this started?  We could start the vote in
>  January + be done by February.

I've been hoping that somehow or other a soc.college.greeks newsgroup would
be formed. I am all for it!! This way we can keep Greek life issues (which
there
ar many of) separate from other issues on this newsgroup. I'm not sure how
to get newsgroup started so anyone with any information please e-mail to my
following address. 

Jamman1@vax2.winona.msus.edu

Looking forward to hear from the Greeks out there. Go Pi Lam!!!
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:30:13 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <102072@netnews.upenn.edu> varhus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.032106.21567@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <101793@netnews.upenn.edu> varhus@lindy.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus) writes:
>>>Simple?  Whaddaya mean, simple?  "Freshman" has only two syllables, while
>>>"First-Year Student" has four.  

>>But "freshman student at the University of Pennsylvania, class of 1995"
>>has a couple of dozen or so syllables.  While "first-year" has two.
>>Gee, comparing apples and oranges is fun!

>Huh?  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!  Freshman is a noun.  
>First-year is an adjective.  One must append the "student" to "first-year"
>in order to get a noun.  And who ever says "freshman student"?

No, you don't have to add anything to "first-year" to make it a noun.
We change adjectives to nouns every day in English.  

>>>Also, what is so inaccurate about "freshman"?  

>>It's infinitely less descriptive than "first-year".  And first-year
>>rhymes with more words, anyway, so it's better suited for Hallmark cards.

>What?  Freshman is very descriptive!  Obviously, it's someone who is new at
>what (s)he's doing!  And, actually, freshman rhymes with many more words! I'd
>much rather see "freshman" on my Hallmark cards than "first-year student". 

Well?  Is that true of all frosh?  Some have flunked out of three or 
four other institutions already; new at what they're (not) doing, indeed...

Roger
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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:07:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec20.172444.3074@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <BzJoI3.9vx@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>
>>     Really? Then why do you not go around removing ALL ambiguities
>>from the English language? You do not know of the matters you speak.
>>If the only argument you can give me for using a different word is :
>>"it removes ambiguity", then I counter that argument with "Well then,
>>why stop at "man"? Why not extend this concept of resolving ambiguity?"
>>Have you ever studied the ambiguities inherent in speech and writing? 
>>Mind you, sometimes even replacing a word will not do much to clear
>>up the ambiguity. Accept the language the way it is, and stop waging
>>the "war of the sexes" on language.
>
>This may be a strange concept to you, Mandar, but I do try to write and
>speak in the least ambiguous way possible.  I do try to choose the words
>that will convey my meaning most precisely, taking into account the
>mental images my words will bring up in the reader's or listener's mind.
>This is considered good communications.
>
And what do you do when ambiguities are unresolvable? Don't you rely
upon the context of the word? I cannot see a justification for your
attempt to drop the usage of a word when its meaning can be inferred
from its context.

>And I believe saying "people" is more effective than saying "men
>(including women)".  

Apples are better than oranges, aren't they?  

>And less offensive to the women, since it includes
>them as a matter of course, not as an afterthought.


That *afterthought* exists only in YOUR thoughts. It isn't added as
an afterthought. It is added as a "context-clearer" for the "contextually
dense". (Just as smileys are added superfluously for the humour impaired)
>
>       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself

                                                            Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english