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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Thorongil's Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:11:58 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Oct5.132832.26442@ra.msstate.edu> paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
>I have a question as to the timeline in Realm of Fear.  On the other
>ship, the one in the plasma stream, what was the occurences of events?
>For example, they beam the plasma in, it explodes when they try to scann it.
>So they put the four crew members in the transport and lose them in the
>pattern buffer.  What killed everyone else on the ship?  The explosion
>of the plasma?  How then did the four get in the teleport chamber?  If the
>plasma explosion only infected the four, then what killed everyone else?

The ship had a total of five crewmembers, four in stasis, one dead.
We don't know how the four crewmembers became infected.  We do know that
the explosion must have occured while they were in stasis because the
four crewmembers did not appear burned.  The dead crewmember must have
been the one operating the transporter.  He never had a chance to
retrieve them.  (It isn't clear why the explosion happened just then
either.)

What puzzled me was the fact that the first crewmember to be removed
from stasis didn't seem the least bit disorientated by the fact that
he was "somehow" on a different ship.  I guess the officier in question
was just putting the lives of his fellow crewmembers ahead of what
would have been his understandable concerns.


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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 20:39:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Followups-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech

I haven't seen it yet, but from the ads it looks exactly like I
thought it should. The rest of the world 'beams out', for a
second or two everything is sparkles, then the world 'beams in'
to place again.

>Yeah.  I've always thought that, for the transportee, there was a period of
>time not experienced by his conciousness.  It's seems that the brain's state
>should be frozen during transport, since it has been basically "photographed"
>for transmission to another site, where it is reanimated.

Naw, its not being photographed. The pattern-buffers store the
information _and_ the energy/matter of the transportee in the
simplest way possible - just like it would be if the object was
sitting there. It warps the topology of the transportee so that
its constinuents can ride the annular confinement beam. The
entire memory storage capacity of the -D isn't enough to store a
rabbit in any state - thats why you can't stay in stasis for too
long, the beam isn't perfectly stable.

My guess for Relics is that Scotty was playing around with a way
to stabilize the beam, and got stuck in transit. If the pattern
was stored with a tight enough beam, then when the transportee's
energy was completely within the pattern buffer, conciousness
would stop, but as this isn't normally the case, things keep
bopping along.

(Remember, your point is perfectly valid, I'm just trying to
justify what you see on the screen, regardless of how much sense
it makes. :)

The TOS transport likely did freeze the person during transport -
we never seem, them move until they're completely materialized.
:)

Joshua
From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:24:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92Oct02.202342.22488@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes...
>In article <1992Oct2.194945.11052@u.washington.edu> dfried@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (David Friedman) writes:
> 
>>The watch is aging normally, and eventually will stop
>>working.  Every 500 years it is picked up by the Enterprise
>>and then brought back to the 19th century cavern to cycle
>>again.
> 
>I didn't watch too closely, but is this possible?
> 
>He dropped his watch in the cavern, brought the 'aged' watch back
>with him, and kept the aged watch? So from the watch's point of
>view, it got dropped, left for 500 years, then picked up and
>carried away (back to its 'home' time).
> 
>I probably missed some reason this explanation doesn't work (and
>avoids paradox)
> 
>Joshua
You're right, the watch he finds, then drops after a few seconds, IS his 
original watch (before 500 yr aging).  The watch he pulls out of his pocket in 
those few seconds is the 500 yr old watch.  He puts the 500 yr watch BACK into
his pocket, and drops the 'before 500 yrs' watch on the ground of the cavern
to be found in the future.  Remember, Clemens was concerned about mucking with
history.  The future's history has him leaving the watch behind.  He feels 
obligated to oblige (since he wants the future that he saw to occur).

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
================================================================================
Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Transporter Psychosis
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:22:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.153915.2657@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>Spoiler alert!



>
>The thing that got my attention in this episode was O'Brien's comment about
>transporter psychosis (TP) ; that it hadn't occured in the last 50 years since
>the pattern buffer (? don't hold me to this) was perfected. This would surely
>imply that cases of TP occurred in TOS though I can't remember any. This, of
>course, excludes the transporter accident in ST:TMP (transporter psychosis in
>the extreme :> ). 

I also guess they are just retconning Kate Pulaski, and *her* fear of
transporters.  It was commented on several times during the second
season (but I guess many fans would like to forget about the character,
and the great majority of that season!)

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
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From: mwilson@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Monty Wilson)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:54:53 GMT

The reason Picard and Guinan would never have met if he had not gone on
the trip is that he ends up giving the enterprise via iron-filing message
the information that they should not fire on the cave in an effort to
destroy it.  The body-snatching couple had told him that if the Enterprise
people did so, they would only increase the effect of the time hole, or
something like that.  In short, 19th century Earth would still have been
threatened, putting Guinan and all the others in great danger.  At least
that's my guess as to the meaning of her remark.
........Monty.
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:09:44 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <9209192355.AA03150@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes:

>
>We still have a few loose ends to bicker about in r.a.s.c, though,
>like why Data's head seems to be okay, even though Data said
>it had degraded.  How Picard knew where to tap on Data's head to get
>a message to the future.  How they can let Twain go back to the past 
>with info on the future (they wiped other peoples' minds in past
>episodes).
>
*Real* inquiring minds want to know why Troi was the only one to get
a tan from traveling through time :-). 

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enemy Within
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:09:38 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 22099@tronsbox.xei.com, dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.105028.1752@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
> |Glad someone reads my posts!
> |
> |The answer is Sulu used a phaser to heat up a rock to act as a source of heat.
> 
> 	That can't be right.  They also did it in "Spock's Brain" and "A
> Private Little War", at the very least.
> 
> |
> |OK Gary, what have I won :-)
> |
> 
> 	2.5 million flames complaining that this doesn't belong on .current.
> 
> 
> dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com   ...uunet!tronsbox!dfrancis     GEnie: D.HEFFERNAN1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of everything...haven't
> you learned; if it's not happenning to me it's not important?" -Murphy Brown


Its current over here Dennis! Point taken though, I'll start putting my TOS
reviews on r.a.s.misc.

tony.........
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From: harris3@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Kevin Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:00:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: -

In article <90272@netnews.upenn.edu>, chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
> 
> Will we all have to pay to watch Star Trek in the future???

My cable system carries the Sci-Fi channel on Basic Cable...meaning it is included with
the basic channels, and so you don't have to pay extra for it.  I dunno about other cable
systems out there.

Kevin
----
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From: moss@agate.berkeley.edu (David Maurice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:46:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

ok, so our picks for the ST All Star Crew are as follows:

Captain  Kirk
Spock  Spock
1st Officer  No. 1
CMO  Bones
Navigation  Ro
Helmsman  Sulu
Russian History Officer  Chekov
Red Shirted Security Officer  Tasha Yar
Guy on the stool at the end of the bar in 10-foreward  Norm
Engineer  Scotty
Asst Engineer  Geordi
Ambassador to all those alian planets  Picard
Sexy alien from primitive culture  Dr. Sternen-Krane  "Lilith"
Weapons  Worf
Expendable cast members  Anyone under the age of 18 (esp. Wes and Alexander)
Nurse  Lwaxana
Computer's voice  Data
Virgin Sacrifice to the gods in a volcano  Troi
Yeoman  Rand
Wife  Keiko


Well that's the way we see it.
From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII NOW (was Re: ST:TNG movie?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:40:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvoHKL.LAL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes...
> 
>>So anyway, what is this Star Trek VII NOW stuff all about?
> 
>     Do we REALLY want another movie with Kirk and Spock and
>     the rest when things were so thematically finalized in 
>     the last one?

Who says they're talking about a movie w/ the TOS cast?  They could do the 
adventures of Capt. Sulu, a movie-episode of TNG, Enterprise-B, the Enterprise-C
and the peace btwn the Klingons & the UFP, etc.  So don't be so negative...}:-)
> 
>                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
>                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
>                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
>                 __________________________to have changed.
>                                              Scott Gorcey.            

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
================================================================================
Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Twain's Watch in TA II [spoilers]
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA  
(Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> 
> I just thought of something:  Twain's watch should not exist in the 24th
> Century as it would be infinitely old.  Think about it.  He picks up his
> watch in the future, where it is 500 years old, then leaves it in the cave.

I too made the same sort of mistake in understanding what Twain did with
his watch.  However, if you watch it closely, the watch he picks up on the
Enterprise is the watch which the crew found in the cave.  It was this
watch that Twain dropped when he jumped through the time portal in the
nineteenth century.  Then, when he returns, he sees his original watch that
he had dropped in the cave, picked it up, then set it back down.  Of course
the watch he has is 500 years old.  And the watch in the cave will be picked
up by the future Twain, which will be 500 years old.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: I HATE BARCLAY (Ream of Fear SPOILER)
Organization: Baylor University
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:49:21 GMT
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Spoilers ahead for 'Realm of Fear'

In Defense of Barklay...





























Brocolli did save four crew members from the Yosemite from certain death.
 Not bad for a psycho that you can't trust.

Charles Laine
Baylor University
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From: "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com>
Subject: time's arrow
Reply-To: "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:40:18 EST

Ok.  Spoiler alert.  I will be revealing plot details of Time's Arrow
II.




























Ok.  My first question has got to be:

Just how long does it take to arm the Photon Torpedoes?

In countless episodes we have seen enemy ships (particularly Romulan)
pop out of nowhere.  Picard yells ARM PHOTON TORPEDOES and Worf almost
instantly replies TORPEDOES ARMED (in that authoritative voice of his).

In Time's Arrow II, Worf says that the E should destroy the cave.  He
recommends firing a spread of Torps at 10 second intervals I believe.

Riker tells Worf to prepare his program and notify him when it is ready.
 Now there was no specific time frame given, the IMPLICATION was that
this program would take some time.  Perhaps ten minutes or more.

Now I can believe that it might take some time to calibrate Torps to
avoid the time distortion effect, but when Worf originally suggested
nuking the cave, he had not received Picard's binary warning from Data.

I know, the whole thing was just an excuse to give some suspense.  Worf
had to be preparing to fire while Geordi was reassembling Data.  Data
had to wake up at just the last second and warn Riker.  I just feel that
artistic licence went too far in this case.  At no other time in the
series did arming Photons take anywhere near as long.

In fact, I recall the episode where  Tasha Yar was kidnapped.  The E was
at no alert whatsoever when Tasha was snatched.  Within seconds of her
disappearance, Picard had Torps raining down on the planet.

Doesn't seem to work for me. F
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Times Arrow II (SPOILERS)
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:57:20 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I just saw this episode tonight.. and although I liked it, I don't think it
lived up to its potential..

I had a few problems with it..

- did anyone else think that it was just too easy for Geordi to reattach Data's
old head?  Considering they had almost written it off as dead in TA I?

- we still didn't learn anything more about Guinan (except, perhaps, putting to
rest the questions about 'a bald man was kind to me once'.. OK this isn't a big
deal, however.

- Data's funky machine didn't seem to be that essential to the plot, or was
that just me?

Some good things though...  Twain/Clemens confronting Troi about the rather
utopian life people live in TNG, and considering human history how improbable
that is.. Troi convinces him in the end, but it was still astute of them to
bring it up.  Troi was actually watchable in this scene, too, proving that the
character really only needed some new lines and better writing.

The acting troupe bit was cute... not necessary, but cute.. :)

And, for once, Worf's suggestion to "blow them away" is taken seriously!  I
love it!  I'm surprised Worf isn't in shock....  But does anyone else feel we
got gipped out of an explosion or two, or some indication that they really DID
end the threat?

Comments?

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From: homanme@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
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Subject: re: Rank,OBrien,Solution?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:48:01 EST
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From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: Barclay and Scotty! (Possible spoilers on Barclay episode)
Keywords: Transporter tech;)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:06:12 GMT

In article <ericw.717974480@hobbes> ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa) writes:
>Well now... It seems that at least with this latest episode they
>have proven that people can survive for a period of time in some
>sort of transporter stasis.  So maybe that's how they are gonig
>to get Scotty into the future.  
>

I disagree! They said something about how they couldn't have him in
stasis for longer than xx seconds (I don't remember, about 30 or
45 seconds), and then there was the big panic about getting him back
in time. When I saw that, I wondered how they were going to explain
Scotty's being in stasis for so long.

Jean
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:13:22 EST

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu>
ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
 
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
 
Are you aware there is a real set of receptors near the carotid arteries
which will slow down the pulse ?  Perhaps they were 1) doing this
as a side-idea; 2) have you considered it was a placebo?  If he thought
it would work and it did, how are the results any different?
 
>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
 
So there are no similarities in the physiologies? 100% different, right? :)
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Glaring Inconsistency (tm) (IMHO) in Time's Arrow Part One
Keywords: Data contraction inconsistency
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:33:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep27.173411.21130@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:

>Well we all know Data can use slang, but cannot use contractions. Personally
>I see not reason why this is so since slang is just as informal, if not more
>so, than a contraction. Perhaps Data was just immitating the bellboy by
>using gonna? Or perhaps Breant Spiner can use contractions despite the fact
>Data can not and one slips by once in awhile?

OK, maybe my memory is going bad, but I thought that in "The Offspring"
Data said "I cannot use contractions, such as can't, and won't." or
maybe he used other contractions as examples...  Anyway, the point is,
Data is prohibited by his programming from using contractions in conversation
(probably because the people didn't like Lore and wanted Data to be more
 "android-ish" and Soong though this would be a good way to do it).

HOWEVER, he can pronounce the words.  There's nothing to keep him from
saying "can't" or "won't", he just can't use them in a sentence.  If he's
quoting another person, or, say, a book, he can use them, because they're
not HIS words, he's merely repeating someone else's.  In this case, he was
quoting the bellboy.  So he could use the contraction.  Only when he's
expressing his own ideas can he not use contractions....

Anyone remember Silicon Avatar?  When Data was talking to the mother, reading
her son's letter, did he use any contractions then?  Anyone have that on
tape?

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