From: nancyb@os2lan.enet.dec.com (nancy b.)
Subject: Re: Videotaping rapes
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:00:45 GMT

          re:  dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)

          > Since this isn't dying out, I will cite my reference. Last
          > year, the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry had a
          > single topic issue about Obscenity law. (volume 14, number1-2)
          > The article by Kutchinsky titled "pornography and rape: theory
          > and practice?" talked briefly about snuff films.
                                                ^^^^^

          But this topic is not about snuff films. Your reference is
          irrelevant.

          I _am_ aware of the snuff film UL, and during the lecture, I
          listened very closely to see if Dr. Dines mentioned it as though
          it existed.  She did not.  She did not even mention or describe
          the term.  (and she is definitely someone you would describe as a
          "anti-porn crusader")

          She _did_ describe "slasher films", in particular the technique
          where the beautiful young women is shown in a sex scene.  The sex
          scene is soon followed by an assault on the woman.  During the
          assault, the perp uses something like a knife or poker (as
          opposed to a gun) to thrust in and out of the victim, and the
          victim makes sounds during the assault similar those made during
          the previous sex scene.

          So sex with a woman and violence against a woman are being linked
          in the movie and possibly in the viewers mind.  Dr. Dines talked
          about high school "gross-out parties" where several of the
          slasher films are shown in a row.  I wonder how many high school
          age males are aware of the messages, and how they are being
          manipulated by the images they are consuming in these films...

          Like how MTV portrays women.

          As a reflection of reality, it is not.    But I think it
          nevertheless sets expectations in some boys'/mens' minds for what
          a woman should be like.

          >  What I want to know is if the original author will retract her
          > statments if she can't come up with any evidence for the
          > existance of these films?

          What I want to know is if you will retract your statements if you
          can't come up with any evidence that the films (films =
          videotapes of real rapes circulating as porn or intended to
          circulate) don't exist.  Your citation referred to snuff films,
          despite the title.  If your goal is to convince the masses that
          videotapes of real rapes circulating as porn or intended to
          circulate as porn don't exist, please provide the evidence.

                                             nancy b.

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