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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:28 GMT

In <1992Nov4.230249.15638@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>In article <4NOV199216251376@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:

>>The New York Times is reporting (for anyone who got past the 
>>election results) that Danny Tartabull is now expendable.  Now unless
>>they consider Gerald Williams to develop into a fantastic hitter, that's
>>laughable.   Tartabull may well be the only solid righty in the lineup now.

>:-) I'm wondering if they are planning on platooning Gerald Williams
>with O'Neill.  Might make sense, if Gerald has a heavy platoon split.
>(I suspect he does, but have no stats or proof...  Anybody?)

  I don't think it's plausible that the Yanks would trade for a platoon player 
and give up a player like Roberto Kelly to do that. It leaves a very crowded
outfield picture though so someone must be on the move. 
  
>-Valentine
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:18:47 -0500 
From: Gregg Matthew Sterling <gs34+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The New Yuck Mets:A Look Ahead

Better make that Tony Fernandez at shortstop for next year!!! Yay!!
Finally a stable shortstop who can hit, has a great glove, and is a proven veteran....

And I still think Sasser is still the better catcher (he can hit!!!!!) and
has a decent glove (I don't think he did any worse than Hundley or O'Brien last
year).....
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:38:34 GMT
 <1dsiljINNt4e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

there was a question as to who has the highest finite lifetime era.
that dubious honor belongs to andy sommerville, who pitched 1/3 of an
inning for the 1894 brooklyn (dodgers?), and gave up six earned runs,
for an era of 162.  he gave up one hit, five walks, and got a loss.

as for highest finite era in a single season, jack scheible beats out
our buddy andy, with an era of 189 in, curiously enough, 1894 again.
one-third of an inning, seven earned runs.  that was for the philidelphia
(phillies?) the year before (his only other year in the majors),
jack had a 2.00 era in 18 innings for the cleveland (spiders?), for a
lifetime era of 5.40.

on the other end of the scale, we have jeremy hernandez, who has the
most innings pitched (14.1) for a pitcher with a lifetime 0 era.  the
record for a single season is 26 innings, by earl moore of the 1908
philadelphia (phillies?).

these records stood as of 1991.  they may have been broken this year,
i'm not sure.

bob vesterman.
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:03:00 GMT

In article <1602.2b028880@atlas.nafb.trw.com>, dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com       
            writes...
> 
>I guess the original poster meant "fewest pitches thrown in a 3-out inning."
> 
>But how about the following scenario.  The pitcher gives up a single to 
>the leadoff batter on the first pitch.  He then balks, runners on
>first and second, 1 pitch thrown.  He then picks off both runners.
>The next batter pops up on the first pitch thrown to him.
> 
>The pitcher recorded three outs and got through the inning with only 
>two pitches.  I wonder if anything like this has ever happened.
> 
Actually this is also wrong. The reason why is that a hitter does not get on 
base as a reult of a walk. Also, the answer of 3 would also be wrong since an 
inning involves both the visiting team and home team getting a chance to bat. 

Hence, the minimum number of pitches for an inning would be 4 if both teams 
were tied into the last inning and the home team's pitcher retired the side on 
three pitches and the lead-off hitter for the home team homered or 6 if it is 
assumed that we are dealing with a full inning. 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:26:48 -0500 
From: Richard Schall <rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mike Zimmerman


Can anyone tell me anything about Mike Zimmerman,
other than he's in the Pittsburgh farm system and
on their protected list?

--------------------
!!!Richard Schall!!!
rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu

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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:18:23 GMT
Keywords:  Giants

In article <11NOV199209172130@mary.fordham.edu>, nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
|> The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
|> This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major League 
|> Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there for
|> years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 

Commissioner Bud Selig (acting) announced this yesterday.  Just how powerful
has the ownership cartel become?  The power to make an owner take $15 million
less for a product he owns?  Baseball is becoming a sham, and it's about time
congress revoke MLB's anti-trust exemption.

Unlike Leonard, I have nothing against the Giants, Giants fans, San Francisco,
or the other Bay area.  I would prefer an American League team in Tampa Bay
to give us some variety down here.  However, how can this move be stopped?

The ownership talks about lockouts because players are getting too much money.
We'll lets take a close look at why that is:  They are all trying to cut each
others throats to pay more for these guys.  Not only that, they pay the Matt
Youngs of the world a king's salary, they deserve what they get.

Picking a figure head like Jim Baker, George Bush, or whoever for the next
commissioner (which is what they will do) does not guard against actions 
contrary to "the best interests of baseball"  If they want to treat this 
like a business and not a pastime, fine.  We should act in kind and lobby
to remove the exemption.

There's only one man for the job right now, and that's David Stern.

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From: sk1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (stephen.m.kanoc)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:06:35 GMT


Pitcher:  Steve Carlton  (Nastiest Slider Ever)
Player:   Greg Luzinski  (Into the Bull Ring)

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.124701.12768@pdn.paradyne.com> oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley) writes:
>Tampa has played by the rules for eight years.  We have been made many
>promises that MLB has not kept.

What promises has MLB made to Tampa?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Prediction: Red Sox get reamed
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: rand@lucy.merrimack.edu ()
Organization: "Silicon Surfers, Inc."

, 13 08:49:24 19929208:49:24 1992ESTLines: 14


In article <1992Nov12.195014.18841@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu 

>I predict that the Red Sox will lose more talent in the expansion
>draft than any three other teams.  How can this be, you ask?  The Red
>Sox don't *have* more than 15 players worth protecting!?!?!

I hope Reed enjoys Florida! Adios Eric Wedge...

--
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Internet: rand@merrimack.edu, rand@lucy.merrimack.edu
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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Death To Live Arms Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: bonds in atlanta in 1993
Keywords: Uh, are you paying attention?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:27:09 GMT
Organization: Pity That Stupidity Is'nt Painful, Inc.

Erick Summer writes:

>>You bring up the Tigers to support your argument that baserunning is
>>necessary for a healthy offense???  Next thing you know, you'll be
>>telling me that the Tigers have a horrible OBP.  [Actually, it was
>>fourth best behind Minnesota, Baltimore, and Oakland.]  Or claiming
>>that the only problem with the Red Sox lineup is that they are slow.
>>[What about that .246 BA with only 84 dingers?  Wouldn't a couple more
>>hits help?]

>	Again, how did Detroit fare in the season-ending standings.

Quite poorly.  Why is this relevant to a discussion about how good
offense is, and whehter or not it's stupid to make intentional outs?
Detroit sucked because their pitching was just short of atrocious -
just short of it, because it wasn't even THAT good.  Detroit allowed
what, 794 runs to score this year?

>My 
>argument is that just having BIG GUNS doesn't necessarily pay off.  Sure
>they are going to score a lot of runs, but if you don't win it doesn't
>matter.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the object of the game is to win
>the game.

Right.  And is your argument that guaranteeing that you score runs,
but scoring them in smaller numbers, is a winning strategy?  I just
want to clarify this.

>	I do believe strikeouts are relevant.  IMHO, there are a lot of
>hits awarded in MLB that could have been errors.  If you hit the ball,
>the defense may boot it, if you miss it, the catcher just has to toss it
>back to the pitcher.  

True enough.  And that's the fielding percentage in both leagues?
Does a Safe on Error happen more than, say, 3-4% of the time?

>OBP is the most reliable source for information for
>leadoff hitters, but I think contact average is just as important.

Well, you're dead wrong.  But thanks for playing.

>	I won't take any bets, and I know that statistics do tend to be
>truthful to a players future performance.  I really didn't think I'd get
>away with that argument and I was right :) !!!!!!  But then again, past
>stats didn't show Wade Boggs hitting under .260 this past season!!!!

Actually, they didn't predict that far off.
(Depending on whose numbers you look at.)

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From: C.Thomas.Eyford.III@dartmouth.edu (C. Thomas Eyford III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:52:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Nov8.174245.28862@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:

> 
> To keep the winter going I'm going to post a new thread for discussion.
> (In a similar vein to "Favorite Players of my Youth" and "Most unbreakable
> records)  Here is my short list of greatest moments in baseball history
> (use whatever interprestation you want)
> 
> April 15, 1947 - Jackie Robinson starts at first base for the Brooklyn
> Dodgers.  He is the first black man to appear in a major league baseball
> game since 1884.
> 
> Oct 8, 1956 - Don Larsen pitches a perfect game in the fifth game of the WS
> against the Brooklyn Dodgers.  The only perfect game in WS history.
> 
> Oct 13, 1960 - Bill Mazeroski hits a homerun in the bootom of the ninth to
> give the Pirates the win in the seventh game and in the WS.  The only time
> a series has ended on a homerun (?).  The Pirates were outscored in the series
> 55-25!
> 
> July 17, 1941 - Joe DiMaggio goes 0-3 against the Cleveland Indians, 
> ending his hitting streak at 56 games.  This record although probably not
> unbreakable, is one of the holiest in all of baseball, due in part to the
> man and to the time it was broken, the summer before WWII.
> 
> This list is FAR from comprehensive and certainly could be revised (I'm
> coming up with these off the top of my head, kinda :-)  Anyway what does 
> anybody else want to add.  By the way here are two personal favorites
> 
> 1987, 1991 Twins are World Champs!!!!
> 
> -David Oliver (doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu)

I think you'd have to include Kirk Gibson's HR in the bottom of the 9th
off Dennis Eckersley in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series.

RL: Tom Eyford                        E-mail: eyford@mac.dartmouth.edu

"So, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll
try to kill each other like civilized people?"  
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Mike Zimmerman
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:55:03 GMT

In article <If0dDMa00WBL42zNE3@andrew.cmu.edu> Richard Schall <rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me anything about Mike Zimmerman,
>other than he's in the Pittsburgh farm system and
>on their protected list?

He's a right-handed pitcher who went 4-15 with a 3.82 ERA for the Carolina
Mudcats of the Southern League (AA ball).  He allowed 141 hits in 153
innings while walking 75 and striking out 106.  I don't have a handy source
with his age, though I believe he was drafted out of college in 1990.
Given that he wasn't ineligible for the expansion draft, that means he was
at least 20 years old in 1990.  

The other pitcher on the protected list for the Pirates who is even more of
an unknown to my mind is Brian Shouse.  Shouse was a reliever for the
Mudcats who was 5-6 with 4 saves and a 2.44 ERA in 77 innings, allowing 71
hits and 28 walks while striking out 80.  Neither Shouse nor Zimmerman were
listed among _Baseball America_'s list of the top 10 prospects for the
Pirates entering this past season.

Players who were on the top 10 list in _Baseball America_, and weren't
protected: 


Scott Bullett, of (will be 24 for 1993)
Jon Farrell, of (drafted in 1991, didn't have to be protected)
William Pennyfeather, of (24)
Darryl Ratliff, of (23)
John Wehner, if (25)
Dave Doorneweerd, p (drafted in 1991, didn't have to be protected)
Ben Shelton, 1b (23)

Midre Cummings isn't on that list because the list came out before the
trade, but he doesn't have to be protected, either.  

The list I submitted for the net mock expansion draft differed from the
list as published by 4 players.  I protected Zane Smith, Danny Jackson, Don
Slaught, and Alex Cole, while the published list protected Paul Wagner,
Jeff King, Brian Shouse, and Mike Zimmerman.  I considered protecting
Wagner, and he was at the top of the list to add to the protected list
after the first round.  I strongly suspected that the Pirates would protect
Jeff King, but I think it's silly to protect 27 year olds who have yet to
hit.  I'm not impressed by Shouse and Zimmerman.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:21:40 GMT

In article <92309.122328RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>enough of this "no one will ever hit 800 dingers" crap.  here are five
>*real* unbreakable records, by any decent definition of "unbreakable":
>
>1) lifetime batting average.  1.000.  many people.
>2) lifetime era.  0.00.  many people.
>3) single season slugging average.  4.000.  bill lefebvre, 1938;
>   buster narum, 1963.
>4) lifetime winning percentage.  1.000.  many people.
>5) coolest.  steve balboni.

6) Number of putouts in an inning: 3.  many people.
7) Number of assists in an inning: 3.  many people.
8) Fewest pitches thrown in an inning: 3.  many people

:-)

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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:53:03 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

How about:
Highest Lifetime ERA: Infinity (Several People)
Bill
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Brewers in 93?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:34:54 GMT

In article <1dpubiINNept@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>   In a way, I think Milwaukee's '92 season was a fluke, but they have a
>   solid group of talented players and could contend again in '93.
>   In Jamie Navarro, Cal Eldred and Bill Wegman, you're looking at one of
>   the best first three starting pitchers in the AL.

That's the problem.  They aren't!  A generous prediction has them
combining for a 3.10 ERA.  That's good, but nobody really sticks out.
Now if they had a staff ace to anchor the rotation...  Do they want to
win?  A top free agent pitcher could take them a *long* way.  It's
much more impressive if your #2-#4 pitchers combine for a 3.10 ERA
than if your #1-#3 pitchers do.

>   The bullpen may be hurt by the draft. Fetters, Holmes, Austin, Plesac
>   and Orosco did a fine job last year. One of the top three will be
>   drafted and both of the last two may go via free agency. The bullpen, a
>   very underrated strength this year after a shaky start, won't be as good
>   next year.

I was very surprised that they did so well this year!  Actually,
Austin looked like a decent prospect.  But Fetters???  I'd make Austin
the closer, and try to again work miracles with whoever is left.

>   Either Fletcher or Seitzer will be the main utility man.

Fletcher, for sure.  Seitzer's defense is bad enough at third.  You
don't want him trying shortstop and second base.

>   I'd expect Vaughn, Yount and Hamilton to start from left to right in the
>   outfield. Bichette will probably be picked in the draft. Hamilton will hit
>   .300 again, steal lots of bases and play stellar D. Yount hopefully won't
>   play every game. Unless Vaughn rebounds to have a good season, the Brewer
>   outfield will be its weakness. 

Dunno what happened to Vaughn.  He's a better hitter than he showed
this year.  Hm.  Maybe not.  He's older than I had thought (27 next
year).  But he should still be slugging at least .450.  I guess he's
not that hot a prospect.  Do the Brewers have any other possibilities
here?

>   I expect Toronto will again be the team to beat, but you never know what
>   will happen between now and April.

Depends a lot on the free agents.  Baltimore won't lose much, and
could pass Toronto next year...

-Valentine
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:58:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov13.025822.761
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1602.2b028880@atlas.nafb.trw.com> dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>
>But how about the following scenario.  The pitcher gives up a single to 
>the leadoff batter on the first pitch.  He then balks, runners on
>first and second, 1 pitch thrown.  He then picks off both runners.
 ^^^^^
>The next batter pops up on the first pitch thrown to him.
>
>The pitcher recorded three outs and got through the inning with only 
>two pitches.  I wonder if anything like this has ever happened.

Probably not, since a batter doesn't go to first on a balk.  Only
runners on base advance.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:26:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.182624.7303@leland.Stanford.EDU> brian@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brian McDonald) writes:
>In article <BxItuu.4JI@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>
>>  But as far as actual performance when they were in there, I think Hernandez
>>was better than Eck. The OBA was a mere 7 points higher while the SA was
>>notably lower than the ex-alcoholic (cheap shot!) at a 34 point difference.
>                        -------------------------
>
>Please explain to me what this phrase has to do with baseball.  Why do
>you feel it necessary to note that Eckersley is an "ex-alcoholic?"

He must be praising Eckersley's determination and strength of
character.  Returning from an addiction is never an easy thing.

(Of course I doubt he would be brave enough to say such a thing to
Eck's face.  At least not if he was ever going to bat against him.
Imagine a 95 mph fastball spotted right between the ears...)

-Valentine
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From: jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: First in the expansion draft: contest
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:42:25 GMT

	A simple contest (no prizes this time): 

Who will be the first player taken in the expansion draft?

Making this prediction will require a guess about two components. 
1. Which players will be left unprotected by existing teams?
2. Of those, who will be chosen?

Presumably, the GMs of the expansion teams have many different
contingency lists. All of us who think we'd be good GMs have probably
formulated some lists at least in our own minds as well. 

My own prediction: Tim Wallach


E-mail your entries to me, and I'll tabulate them. The winner is the
person whose candidate goes highest in the expansion draft. In case of
a tie, the contestants must arm-wrestle Roger Maynard.


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