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From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele.
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:07:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1gpo1eINNe80@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Claudio Ruggieri) writes:
>
>	Would you please elaborate more? Best with his foot or
>best with his hand? As for the last it is very easy :-).
>
>	Claudio
>
>-- 
>Claudio Ruggieri                     !  Cerimonial Tea : 
>Faculty of Engineering               !  Just boil the water,
>Osaka University, Japan              !  make the tea and drink it.
>email: a62420a@center.osaka-u.ac.jp  !  That's all !!!

   It seems to be a bit unfair to compare players of different times.
You know , in the sports where the results are measured in seconds,
meters etc, one can easily observe that constant progress is being made.
People do jump higher, run faster etc. Even though they may  not seem
to be as great as their predecessors. So I can easily imagine that
the best players of the past would be destroyed by the avarage players
of the present when put on the same field.
   There are exceptions however. bimon's record in long jump servived
25 years.  This probably applies to Pele as well...
Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui)
Subject: EC 1 in 1987
Reply-To: kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:19:12 GMT


In EC1 87, Bayern Munich also won the EC1, but it lost to Porto by a really
careless mistake.  It took the lead by 1-0. Unfortunely, it lost two goals in
5 mins in second half.  I remembered that Porto met Dynamio Keift in the 
semi-final. Dynamio Keift should have beat Porto for it is the stronger side-
it has 6 or 7 86WC players.  If this was happened, Dynamio Keift would meet
Bayern Munich in the final.  Then it would be a really exciting game. Bayern
Munich have won the ECI for almost 16 years.  I am looking forward it will
have chance next year and meet Manchester United in the final.


								Kevin Lui
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: esp@meiko.co.uk 
Subject: Bristol Rovers 4  Bristol City 0
Reply-To: esp@meiko.co.uk
Organization: Meiko Ltd
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:53:26 GMT


I don't know if anyone ouside of the west country will ever get the chance to see the goals in this match. If you do take it!!!!

I'll challange anyone to pick a match anywhere in Europe this season, where four better goals are scored. An extravagant claim, yes I know, but try and prove me wrong!

I was at the match and also video'ed the live coverage on the local ITV channel. The atmosphere was electric; a 20 man brawl only 10 minutes into the game typified that.
Both teams were playing attractive football and most people were predicting a close result. But then Big Malcolm Allison's shoot on sight training started paying off.....

Goal No.1 
Justin Channing lets fly from 35yards into the bottom left corner. (25 mins)

Goal No.2
Marcus Stewart's flying volley makes it 2-0. (65 mins)

Goal No.3
Carl Saunders' shot from 30yards gives keeper Keith Welch no chance. (66 mins)

Goal No.4
John Taylor's sweeps in the forth from 25yards to complete the rout. (77 mins)

To see Rovers score 4 goals like that and beat the Shit at the same time was one of the sweetest moments of my life. Many people don't realise quite how much Gasheads, (Rovers fans) and Shitheads, (City fans....they must be to support such crap), hate each other. So much so that two seasons ago 4 or 5 Shitheads were put away for burning Rovers stand down. Shitheads have never been able the remove the bitter taste in their mouths after we beat them to the 3rd Division Chamionship in 1990 by whopping them 3-

0 at Twerton.

Anyway, I can't wait to see if anyone can meet my challange........

Let me know if you want more info Bristol Rovers, whether you hate us or like us, I'd be interested to hear from you. :-)

Steve
email: steven@uk.co.meiko

Finally I'd like to say well done to the guy stood next to me at the game who had put three quid at 66-1 on Rovers winning 4-0.

Up the Gas!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ocroci@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Of names and cups
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 11:00:27 GMT

As you probably know the WORLD Series this year was won by the Toronto team
. For the first time in the history of baseball a non-American team won. 
This presented a few problems. First it seems tradition that the winning 
team is received at the White House. The Blue Jays were not too interested 
in this given Canada's feelings on the question of sovereignty when it 
comes to the relationship with the U.S. Bush moreover has fallen into a 
state of utter morosoness after his well-deserved electoral defeat and did 
not seem interested. The idea was ventilated that perhaps the Blue Jays 
should be received by Brian "Big Chin" Mulroney. But the World Series is 
not exactly identified with Canada and Mulroney was not sure how he could 
exploit the visit electorally. In the end a small delegation went to 
Washington and another one to Ottawa. I suggest that the silly sounding 
World Series be renamed the FTA series or the National-American series 
or, at best, "part of the New World--series".
Fortunately FIFA did not continue with the Rimet cup. The silly habit of 
naming cups and throphies, not to speak of divisions, conferences etc. 
after its own officials--is abused by the NHL with comic effects.   -- 
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From: cf124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Claudio Ruggieri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:51:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Claudio Ruggieri)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov) says:

>
>   It seems to be a bit unfair to compare players of different times.
>You know , in the sports where the results are measured in seconds,
>meters etc, one can easily observe that constant progress is being made.
>People do jump higher, run faster etc. Even though they may  not seem
>to be as great as their predecessors. So I can easily imagine that
>the best players of the past would be destroyed by the avarage players
>of the present when put on the same field.

	Humn! Very difficult to compare indeed, but talent and skills
can't be measured in seconds or meters. And the same can be said about
players at present: put them playing as in the past, where individual
talent was the core of the game, and they would be destroyed. I grew up
seeing Pele and his dazzling goals at Santos F.C. and at the Brazilian
National team. Although you are right about players running faster and
jumping higher (it is reported that Pele got 10.5 sec. in 100 m, though),
those were very tough years since all teams had very good players.
Difficult to explain when you couldn't see them. No matter who's the
best (You already got my choice), waht I would really like to see is
soccer back on its track, when to see a match was a great pleasure.

	Claudio Ruggieri
	Sao Paulo - Brazil

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Claudio Ruggieri                     !  Cerimonial Tea : 
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Osaka University, Japan              !  make the tea and drink it.
email: a62420a@center.osaka-u.ac.jp  !  That's all !!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: USA'94 qualifer, 12/20: Malta - Italy
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:56:22 GMT

Malta  1  -  Italy  2
?            58' Vialli
             61' Signori

Why should anyone be shocked by this result? :-) I expected something
like this since saachi started _7_ milan players.

It's time for saachi to wake up and recall ZENGA back and bring Bergomi
and Berti along too!

-Dave

FORZA MAGICA INTER!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:09:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <FISCHER.92Dec16015315@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:

>Alain> Sorry, no Denmark : actually remember that during EURO'92, they
>Alain> played five matches, one lost, one draw, and three won : that
>Alain> doesn't make them in the top ten 

>Well, it's your list, and as all such list it's pretty much random.
>But since Denmark is obviously so bad, what did, say, Spain and Russia
>do to get on that list. Or France, for that matter -- didn't look
>that great in Sweden if my memory is correct.

True.  France was underwhelming.

>Alain>...
>...

Don't sweat it Lars.  The losers can always come up with lots of 
excuses about why/how they lost, and can also come up with creative 
ways to belittle the winners.  All the winners have to do is point 
to the trophy.

Personally, I find it very amusing when Mischa, whose team lost in
the Eurocup -semi- finals, can put Holland at the #1 spot in a 
world top ten and then can in all seriousness tell us that it's an 
-unbiased- opinion.

Then again, he also said we'd never find England in his top 10, 
then proceeded to place them in the #8 spot. 

If memory serves, the original start to this thread asked for top
ten listings based on current year performances.  Denmark won the
European championship, and that alone puts them in the top 3 or 4,
-and- ahead of Holland.  Now Holland -may- be the better team on 
paper, but Denmark won on the field, and performance is what counts.

===================================================================
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moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Never let the rocks cry out.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: New SOCCER NEWS groups
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 16:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.163038.15645@news.nd.edu>, ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
> Perhaps a group rec.sport.soccer.predictions.scottish would remove alot of 
> the more annoying confusing traffic.  I sometimes have a hrad time working
> out that they are not results.  Can't you keep your predictions to yourselves
> or email?

	Yeh, these predictions are becoming a bit tiresome every week. Can't
beat the old pre-season predictions though.  Looks like I've got it correct 
again.

I think r.s.s. should remain as one group since all aspects of it are
inter-related. Anyway, you'd only get countless cross-postings.

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From: gibbons@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Alan Gibbons)
Subject: Soccer on Cable in US ?
Reply-To: gibbons@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola ASIC Division - Design Automation
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:52:10 GMT

Does anybody know which cable channels (if any) are showing European
Soccer games. ASPN was showing English premier league games on a Tuesday
night but that seems to have vanished - did its time slot move ?

Regards,
Alan

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:27:47 -0500 
From: Saverio Cittadini <sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Genoa

Yes, Dobrowolski has gone to Marseille. As for Branco, he played at the
beginning of the season, but then got injured and missed several games.
He seems to have recovered now.
                                      Saverio

e-mail: CITTADINI@SIVAX.CINECA.IT
"The sky is light-blue, since God is a Napoli fan"
V I N C I   P E R   N O I   M A G I C O   N A P O L I  !!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "F. Leghorn" Kramer)
Subject: Re: Fever Pitch
Keywords: Arsenal
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:05:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.205551@cs.bham.ac.uk> ach@cs.bham.ac.uk (Alastair C Hume) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.184922.7865@cas.org>, jfc88@cas.org (Jim Corning) writes:
>season!  I was recently put in this situation by my mum getting married
>while Ally McCoist was scoring with a diving header at Tynecastle - I
>went to the wedding (only beacuse it was my mum - I wouldn't have gone
>to anybody elses!).
>
>If football has taken over your life to this sort of extent then the 
>book is well worth reading and it is also well worth passing it to your
>other-half so that she/he will never be daft enough to say "but it's only 
>against Motherwell and you already have no hope of winning the league"  
>to you again!!
>
>I would recommend you buy it. My brother and dad are both getting it
>for Christmas but don't tell them...
>
>Ally

There was an article about this book in Guardian last week. It won a
bookmakers (William Hill?) prize for sports book of the year. Can't
wait to get a copy, sounds good.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: RULE CHANGES
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:58:47 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec17.203920.25514@walter.bellcore.com> lein@garage.uucp writes:

> In article <1992Dec17.195742.9185@selway.umt.edu> lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec16.105241.10380@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> >>In <1992Dec14.054305.52647@gmuvax.gmu.edu> 2005bj@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
> >>
> >>> SOCCER IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE MOST EXCITING, AND MOST ENTERTAINING SPORT IN 
> >>> THE WORLD.  THE NEW RULES IMPOSED BY FIFA IN THE PAST YEAR HAVE GREATLY
> >>> SHOULD BE STOPPED WHENEVER THERE IS AN INJURY, OR WHEN THE BALL GOES OUT
> >>> OF BOUNDS. THIS WOULD PREVENT PLAYERS FROM KILLING TIME OFF THE CLOCK
> >>---
> >>Hm, perhaps a "hybrid" system would work best? The effective clock could be
> >>stopped every time the goalie holds the ball in his hands, in case of injuries
> >>etc. and the game is over once this clock reaches 60 minutes. They could
> >>display both the standard 90min. time and the effective clock on the
> >>scoreboard, thus satisfying the traditionalists.
> >> 
> >>MARCU$ 
> >
> >I hope soccer does not evolve into the present baseball which is sometimes
> >3 hours long.....   It will bore me as much as baseball does now....
> >
> 
> Wow, what a concept, soccer could be played over 9 innings with each side
> getting three outs each inning to score.  I guess if the goally catches the 
> ball or if it goes out of bounds it would be an out.  	

No reason to express ignorant anti-American views here. Even today, soccer
games never last _exactly_ 90 minutes. The referee adds some extra time
depending on whether he feels like running for a couple more minutes, sometimes
even if there has been obvious timewasting:-) My point is that soccer already 
pretends to "punish" teams that hold up the game, too bad the methods used are
both arbitrary, old-fashioned and ineffective (admittedly, this is less of a
problem now that the backpass rule has been revised). Why not do it "by the
book" and have a separate timekeeper take care of this, instead of the already
overworked referees that already have to supervise too many things?

MARCU$
From: paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gascoigne is sick .. Camb Utd & Salford
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:49:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <Bz0H5y.5Kr@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala) writes:

>    Englanders: is it true that Cambridge Utd's manager John Beck was fired for
> soaking opponent's practice balls in water overnight and ordering over-
> sugaring of opponent's tea at halftime? What else did he do/not do?

I think it was a sequence of bad results that got him the sack, but (if my
recollection is correct) after they sacked him, a number of acts of dubious
sportsmanship did emerge, and I think the directors said that if they had known
earlier that this had been going on, Beck would have gone sooner.

>   Btw, I am still trying to find out if Salford (England) has football team(s) 
> and if so which leagues they are in. Thanks.

Not sure about Salford itself, Tom, but in the conurbation of which it is a
part, there is a minor team called Machester United.
 
Paul
From: JSTA%NLU.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Julian Stanculescu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: PLEASE READ!!!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:34:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dear soccer friends,

Good news!  A group of people in the US are going to build the Biggest
Soccer Training and Technical Center in the US and probably the only one
of its kind.  This center will prepare the future soccer players of
tomorow.  Unfortunately for many reasons I can not come up with many
details but what I can say is that it will bring a major change in
Soccer, in this country.  Hopefuly after 1994, if the "real" league
will start, this site will become the major supplier of players.

If any one of you wants to support the ideea of creating this
wonderful soccer dream, please write me a few lines.  Your letters
will be presented to local comunity and the investors group.
Please remember that your letters can have a tremmendous positive
effect on both these groups and it can help a lot.

If you want to contribute to this, please mention a few strong
points about soccer and for the need to develop soccer at all levels.
Please address the letter the "Soccer Training and Techical Center",
and mention the country, city, and name.  You can send it to my
E-mail address.

Thank you again for taking some of your precious time to help with
this.  All you letters and comments will be highly appreciated.

Yours in soccer
Julian
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: HOPELESS JOKES?
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:28:29 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec11.181743.10730@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>   Why is it that at ever soccer match I have ever been to, there 
> are always hundreds of HOPELESS JOKES who start leaving the game
> with about 10-15 minutes to go? Have they all got urgent lobotomy
> appointments at 5.30pm? F**KWITS!! It's not just limited to crap
> games (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) or supporters of a team 2 or 3 goals
> down (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) either. I mean, 15 minutes in the 
> away end at Hillsborough is 2.33 quid! I can't believe it's just
> to get out before the "rush" at the end & guarantee getting an
> early bus. Wow! They might get home 25 minutes earlier. What are
> they going to do? Is "blind date" that good?!
> 
>   Does this happen in other parts of the world or what?

'FRAID SO

i remember a couple of months ago, dundee were playing motherwell. With five
minutes of an abysmal game left and the scores at 1-1, a friend of mine left to
get home early, only to get home and find out motherwell had missed an 88th
minute penalty, dundee had scored 40 seconds later and motherwell had a player
sent off 60 seconds after that. He hasn't left a game early since!

> 
>      Jim
> 
> P.S - I bet Norwich fans don't do it any more. JAMMY GITS!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,spider.rec.fitba
From: cep@cs.nott.ac.uk (Charlie Pearce)
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.093918.17735@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>Played on Saturday 12th December
>
>Falkirk  1  Rangers  2
>
>Wishart 86  Hateley 18
>            McCoist 75
>
>Att. 13,6000

Given that a bulging Nou Camp holds 12,0000, I would guess with some confidence
that this crowd is the biggest this decade :-)

ObFacts:

Coca-cola cup 4th round replays (Wed 16 Dec):

Chelsea 1 Everton 0
Crystal Palace 2 Liverpool 1

Crystal Palace v Chelsea in the quarter-finals.

Charlie
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bjoernebye
Date: 20 Dec 1992 12:51:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I know this came up in the past but could someone tell me who Stig Inge
Bjoernebye played for before he signed for Liverpool, and how much did
he cost ?

Thanks,
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