HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:53:58 GMT

I figured that this merited a cross-post to alt.fan.john-palmer.  Read on.

In article <1992Aug27.034946.23143@tygra.Michigan.COM>
root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:

JP>Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
JP>time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
JP>the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
JP>know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
JP>is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
JP>temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.
JP>
JP>When his feed gets reactivated, I will inform him that we will not tolerate
JP>so much crossposting like he has done before. I have been informed that 
JP>he has posted to groups like news.admin and alt.politics.clinton, which are
JP>in my opinion, inappropriate places to discuss the Armenian-Turkish 
JP>debate. 
JP>
JP>Free Speech is fine, and we support it, but to insure an orderly net, 
JP>topics must be placed where they belong. 
JP>
JP>Several sites have tried to email-bomb Mr. Mutlu's site in the past few
JP>days. The efforts were thwarted and the result was one suspended college
JP>student and one who, after repeated abuses was THROWN OUT of college.
JP>Several others are under investigation by their sysadmins.
JP>
JP>May I remind you all that email-bombings fall under the Federal Computer
JP>Fraud and Abuse Act as well as most state laws and laws in most western 
JP>nations. Our site will prosecute those who tie up our network links
JP>with terrorist traffic.
JP>
JP>Any e-mail to "anadolu.michigan.com" will end up coming right back to
JP>the sender as I've deconfigured that site from our mailer. Also, checks
JP>at our ISP's mailer will alert their staff and we'll bounce that mail
JP>back to you. At this time, due to problems at our end, YOU CANNOT 
JP>REACH MR MUTLU AT ANADOLU.MICHIGAN.COM. 
JP>
JP>Lets all just respect each other's rights and stay away from the nasties. 
JP>
JP>Thank you for your attention.
JP>John Palmer
JP>POSTMASTER
JP>Michigan.COM
JP>jp@michigan.com 


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Keywords: john palmer weenie cat-talk mns ddmi rabbit-net lawsuits lawyers sheer idiocy
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:53:48 GMT

If you'll recall, one of John's recent messages posted to the net was asking
for a SysV version of BIND.  This seems to indicate that not only is he not
gone from the net, but he might have a full-fledged Internet connection. (1
MILLION NODES DUDE!)  It would be a shame if he disappeared entirely.  He's
too much fun to watch.

                            Jim Lick		       
Work: University of California	| Play: 1236 Camino Meleno
      Santa Barbara		|       Santa Barbara, CA 93111-1007
      Dept. of Mechanical Engr. |	(805) 964-2088 voice/msg
      2311 Engr II Building     |	(805) MUD-SPY1 data
      (805) 893-4113            |       jim@tcp.com
      jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu	| This space intentionally left blank
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: jp == mutlu ???
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:21:22 GMT
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!

In article <jim.714286922@ferkel> jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:
>Seen in comp.unix.sysv386:
>
>In <Bt9H6v.1Mv@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.225616.1492@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>>>CAT-TALK Conferencing System   | E-MAIL: jp@Michigan.COM
>>>+1 313 790 6426 (USR HST)      | MICHIGAN NETWORK SYSTEMS, INC.  
>>>+1 313 790 6432 (TELEBIT PEP)  | 800-736-5984  FAX: 313-790-6437 
>>>********EIGHT NODES*********** | TELEBIT, DIGIBOARD, ISC UNIX, MICROPOLIS
>
>>Hey John, don't you think you should stop advertising MNS and CAT-TALK
>>when they obviously don't exist anymore?  If you folks out on the net
>>don't believe me, try calling the numbers listed in his .signature
>>yourself.  EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has been disconnected.  Do I smell
>>a rat?
>
>There is a god after all!  How much you want to bet he posts something that
>says his phone lines were never disconnected and accusing all of us of
>libel, slander, et al?  It could happen.

Even better...  he just unleashed the mutlu-tron on talk.politics
and soc.culture.pretty.much.all.  There's a bazillion recent posts
"From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)" posted thru the ucbvax daemon.

\Path: ...!linac!att!ucbvax!anadolu.michigan.com!han
/From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
\Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,\
/soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
\Subject: Why Should One Trust 'tamtams?'
/Message-ID: <9208242324.A0080ww@anadolu.michigan.com>
\Date: 24 Aug 92 02:51:59 GMT
/Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU


-- john
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Keywords: john palmer weenie cat-talk mns ddmi rabbit-net lawsuits lawyers sheer idiocy
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:16:58 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:
>By the way, I'm gonna be in Detroit next Monday thru Wednesday.  Anybody
>have any leads I could investigate?

Just follow the smell of sewage, that'll get you to DDMI.  When you
step in it, that'll be JP.
-- 
Field theories, unite!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Keywords: john palmer weenie cat-talk mns ddmi rabbit-net lawsuits lawyers sheer idiocy
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:57:03 GMT

By the way, I'm gonna be in Detroit next Monday thru Wednesday.  Anybody
have any leads I could investigate?

                            Jim Lick		       
Work: University of California	| Play: 1236 Camino Meleno
      Santa Barbara		|       Santa Barbara, CA 93111-1007
      Dept. of Mechanical Engr. |	(805) 964-2088 voice/msg
      2311 Engr II Building     |	(805) MUD-SPY1 data
      (805) 893-4113            |       jim@tcp.com
      jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu	|       **** 4 NODES DUDE! ****
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
From: gutierre@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Reply-To: gutierre@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez)
Organization: Hentai 'R Us.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:22:00 GMT

Hey Jiro, you're still alive.  I just thought I'd drop by your news
group to say that I still have your Cream Lemon tape :):):)

ANYWAY, NASA's still as boring as ever.  I'll drop you a line later this
week...

    mike.

p.s...who's John Palmer???
From: karlr@think.com (Karl Rotstan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: JP must be Mutlu
Summary: Why else would he do this?
Keywords: news.admin
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:56:08 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com


Well, only JP could be so desperate for attention to do us all a favor and
silence his alter-ego, Hasan B. Mutlu.  Look what I found on news.admin:


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
From: root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root)
Subject: Hasan Mutlu
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System, Clinton Township, MI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:49:46 GMT

Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.

When his feed gets reactivated, I will inform him that we will not tolerate
so much crossposting like he has done before. I have been informed that 
he has posted to groups like news.admin and alt.politics.clinton, which are
in my opinion, inappropriate places to discuss the Armenian-Turkish 
debate. 

Free Speech is fine, and we support it, but to insure an orderly net, 
topics must be placed where they belong. 

Several sites have tried to email-bomb Mr. Mutlu's site in the past few
days. The efforts were thwarted and the result was one suspended college
student and one who, after repeated abuses was THROWN OUT of college.
Several others are under investigation by their sysadmins.

May I remind you all that email-bombings fall under the Federal Computer
Fraud and Abuse Act as well as most state laws and laws in most western 
nations. Our site will prosecute those who tie up our network links
with terrorist traffic.

Any e-mail to "anadolu.michigan.com" will end up coming right back to
the sender as I've deconfigured that site from our mailer. Also, checks
at our ISP's mailer will alert their staff and we'll bounce that mail
back to you. At this time, due to problems at our end, YOU CANNOT 
REACH MR MUTLU AT ANADOLU.MICHIGAN.COM. 

Lets all just respect each other's rights and stay away from the nasties. 

Thank you for your attention.
John Palmer
POSTMASTER
Michigan.COM
jp@michigan.com 

------------
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: John Palmer's brain files Chap. 11
Summary: Film at 11
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:17:21 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer):
>Frankly, Mr. Nakamura, I couldn't care less what you say about any
>of my companies...

Methinks the gentleman protests too much.

In any case, it's illuminating that Palmer refers to "my companies"...

Remember back to the DDMI days?  Some person named "Ian" claimed that
he would rein in JP.  Now that JP has fessed up to owning DDMI and MNS
-- and he therefore had no superiors to control him -- he has provided
proof (unwittingly as always) that Ian was a pseudo of himself!

Somehow I can't bring myself to be surprised that JP lied again.
(Tell us again how you never sold censored newsfeeds, John!)

>One of these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your
>face, and that may be sooner than later. 

Ooh!  A threat, Jiro!  Sic your virtual laywers on Palmer!
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: ano@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Latin
Keywords: Oh god, not again
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:35:32 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


Another latin / dog-latin query:

In the closing few pages of Good Omens there is a mention of
some of the books in Shadwell's library.

One is the "Necrotelecomnicon", which is translated in the
Discworld books as 'The Book Of Talking to the Dead'.

Another is the "Liber Fulvarum Paginarum", which translates
as "Book Of Yellow Pages". In the UK the 'Yellow Pages' is
a business and traders telephone directory. (This was
mentioned on rec.arts.comics, as Neil Gaiman used it in
Sandman #1.)

The last one is the "Malleus Maleficarum". Can anyone translate
that? (Incidently, a "Compendium Maleficarum" appears in "They
Came And Ate Us. (Armageddon II: The B-movie)" by Robert Rankin.)



<<   Adrian Ogden   _ . _ _   _ . _ _   _ _ . .   ano@uk.ac.rdg.cs.csres   >>

                   "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu (The Panicked Hamster)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:15:06 GMT

In article <d0chris.715580719@dtek.chalmers.se> d0chris@dtek.chalmers.se (Christer Borang) writes:

>Eeek! There is NO Swedish word that has 'rj' in it...excluding compounds.
>And there are hardly any words that have 'w' in them either...:-)
>The Swedish translation of Rincewind is 'Rensvind' which means something
>like 'cleaner of wind'.
>/Christer

That's not the point.

It *looks* Scandinavian, or Dutch, or something like that, to an English-
reading reader.  Since Pratchett is writing for an English-speaking
audience, he's going to use jokes/puns/whatever that make sense to an
English-speaking audience.

In short, it got the initial laugh.  Let it rest.  If you're really upset,
just accept that he goofed on the linguistically-correct scale, but he got
a laugh out of his audience.

You know, a long time ago (back about article 130 or so, I think, well before
TP showed up here) I commented that a.f.p. had a distinct lack of flaming 
going on.  Guess I spoke too soon...

-- 
Michael Lucas				mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu
I keep hearing that Jesus Christ is coming, but nobody knows his tour dates.
From: arc1@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Curtis)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Non Disk World books
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:01:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, UKC


Andrew> I am curious about the non-Disk World books that are marketed in the
Andrew> US as children's books (_Truckers_ and ???).  I checked with the local
Andrew> scifi bookstore and they had never heard of them, but they are listed 
Andrew> as available in hardback.

Should be in paperback too...

Andrew> Are these really directed at children, and if so what ages?  How do
Andrew> they compare to the DW series in atmosphere, humor, etc?  Are they 
Andrew> worth spending $15 on (I know what TP will say to this :))?

Impressions: aimed at "older children"(*).  The humour seems
to be a bit lighter than the DW stuff I think and more
spelled out.  The language is simpler too.  That said, I
found enough in the books to rank them as good as any of the
DW ones.  But then I'm into the idea of "reader as author"
and "novel as dialogue".

IMHO these books belong to that rare breed of books, which
although nominally classifed as "for children" clearly
contain enough for all readers.  "Alice" epitomises the
breed.  I'd put Rushdie's "Haroun" in the same boat too.

tony

* But in the same way that "Alice" isn't.



--
Pretentious drivel.  Don't you just love it?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:22:35 +0000

In article <1992Sep02.043904.29809@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>What's so funny about the name 'Traci'?

Popularity of children's names goes in cycles, of course. At the moment
Tracey and Sharon - Trace and Shaz - are very common names, and have
come to refer generically to what we call Essex Girls - the brainless
bimbos immortalised in 'blond' jokes. Hence an ideal name for a handmaiden,
albeit one who acquires a mind of her own :-)

I can't think of a 'Sharon' or a 'Shaz' in any TP book, though.

Nick Leverton
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Latin
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:50:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: Oh god, not again

In article <ano.715336532@reading> ano@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden) writes:
>
>Another latin / dog-latin query:
>
>The last one is the "Malleus Maleficarum". Can anyone translate that?

Vague memories from the back of my mind (it's almost 30 years since I
studied any latin) suggest the answer would be, roughly,

     "Hammer of Evil"  or  "Hammer of the Evil Ones"
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Reply-To: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:49:04 GMT

morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer) writes:

> > On a point of order, I seem to remember it was rats from the ships which
> > ate the dodo's eggs. Certainly some small or middling mammal did for
> > them - definitely not, directly, humans.
> > 
> 	Flat out wrong.  

When somebody on the net makes a statement like "flat out wrong", you can
usually be sure of one thing: that *he* is the one who's flat out wrong.
Elmo the Vampire Slayer is no exception.

> The dodo was a big flightless bird that tasted like
> chicken.  Sailors ate them until there were none left.  Something similar
> almost happened to the galapagos tortoise.  Remember, sailors at sea for long
> periods were almost desperate for fresh meat.

You are confusing the dodo with the passenger pigeon. The passenger
pigeon was more or less eaten out of existence. The dodo was done in by
the pigs that sailors introduced to its native island of Mauritius.
(Though it wouldn't surprise me if they were eaten as well (the dodo's,
not the pigs -- well of course the pigs were eaten too, but I digress),
and that wouldn't have helped either).

According to my own rule I should be flat out wrong about all of this, 
but in fact I am pretty sure of my facts.

-- 
Leo Breebaart  (leo @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: ins769v@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Veltyen)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:57:48 GMT

Leo Breebaart (leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl) wrote:
: csa18@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R.J. Husmo) writes:
: 
: > Anyway, in SG TP writes that the penguin is the second most confused bird
: > in the world (as it can only swim underwater). This, of course, begs the
: > question: which is the _most_ stupid bird? 
: The dodo?
: > Is this a reference to one of his other books? 
: No idea. Let us know if you find out.

Wouldn't it be a reference to the geas, out of Sourcery.
The Geas bird had a unique defense of making any predator laugh so
hard it had time to get away.



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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 03:43:54 GMT

leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:


>> SMALL GODS
>> 
>> Didactylos == two fingers (as pointed out by TP in an interview in a
>> magazine produced for Dillons or Waterstones)

>I still don't get it. What's funny about 'two fingers'?

In England there is a slightly milder form of 'giving someone the finger'
which is in fact extending both fingers in a reversed 'V for victory' sign.
Apparently it has something to do with a battle the English won against
the Spanish after the Spanish threatened to cut those two fingers from the
right hands of all the Englisg longbow-men.  When the English won they
lined the defeated Spaniards up and marched by them, extending both fingers
to show that they were going to keep them.  And somehow that gesticulation
has been handed down as a rudity as a result.  I suppose a rough translation
would be '%#&*$ YOU!'

Mike
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From: Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:22:37 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) quotes

>>Much the same kind of situation would occur if a clan of rabbits
>>suddenly turned up at your front door, carnivorous, armed to the teeth
>>with carving knives, and asking to speak to someone about myxamatosis
>>and "lucky rabbits feet".

Did you see the article about the 180 rottweiler eating rabbit in
this weeks Weekly World News????


L.
MAIL :	Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk
POST :	Computing Laboratory, The University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU
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FAX  :	+44-91-222-8572
From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Australian dates.
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:25:48 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

cfiddyme@neumann.une.edu.au (Chris Fiddyment) writes:


>  How much later does TP stuff come out in Australia. Will the Truckers
>  movie get here? If so when.

Years!!!! *cackle* hahahahahahaha
*maniacal laughter*

We get stuff approximately a year to 6 months later than
Britain, book wise. Movie.... sorry.

Eccles
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:32:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <memo.607913@cix.compulink.co.uk> oneill@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> 
> 
>Whilst Lovecraft can be said to have inspired some of the names, I
>think you will find that Yob soddoth, Should be pronounced Yob sod
>off!. Sod off being one of those charming English expressions (see
>previous conversions about bugger off etc), and Yob being a term now
>almost entirely replaced by the phrase "English football supporter"
>(I think from something Mark Twain once said about 'They are not firt
>to be called BOYs they should be called YOBs')

Boy, we *are* getting a long way from the original subject.  But . . .

You (and Mark Twain, if it was he) have this in the wrong order.  YOB is a
slang term used by criminals (in common use in London during the Victorian
era, I beleive), and is nothing more than `boy' spelled backwards.
I think the term was used to refer to `the strong, silent type' - rather
like what may nowadays be called a `goon' (or `bodyguard' :-).
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett