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From: 01jametzger@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bo wants back!! Was: John.Cooper.must.die.die
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct13.173509.29973@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:
> Ohio's for sale, Bo,  pleeeeeeeeze!!  (At least for the price of a buy-out of 
> Coop's contract...)

The answer to many Buckeyes prayers, and swears!
From: jm21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: One-sided Rivalries
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:25:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <70544@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>Yes, I have to agree.  Among folks who actually attended the University [sic]
>of Georgia I think Tech is probably more strongly thought of as the top
>rival.  Among those who started following Georgia around the time of the
>1980 MNC and the consecutive SEC titles in '80-'82, there is a tendency to
>regard Auburn, Florida, and even Clem(p)son as bigger rivals.  The reason
>for this is simple: Tech was horrid in the early 80's when Curry first
>arrived, and those teams were Georgia's main competition.  The Auburn-Georgia
>game is also just as old a series as Tech-Georgia.

Yes, and the Tech-Auburn series was almost as old as that. (just one
year shorter, I believe).

>
>Another strong factor which makes it one-sided is that Tech has had to
>drop most other long-time rivals to complete the ACC schedule.  Our 
>series with Auburn was certainly close to the equal of the Georgia
>rivalry

Yes, it was a shame to drop this one.  Tech started playing Georgia in
1893, and Auburn (I believe) in 1894.  However, there were a number of 
years when Tech did NOT play Georgia (Heisman's 1917 championship year was
at least one; Tech did not play Georgia that year but did beat Auburn
68-7).  I believe that the Tech-Auburn series was (until it was ended
a few years ago) the 2nd oldest in the South (behind Georgia-Auburn, 
which started in 1893).  Even though it had been pretty one-sided over
the last decade or so, it was a good one.  Do the Auburn people miss the
old Wreck Tech pajama parade they had down there?

Interestingly, by the original setup, Tech was to play Auburn in 1992-3
and Tennessee in 1994-5.  But we had to pick up FSU instead.

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From: kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 10)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:45:51 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <dkm2.718563080@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>very easy to pick.  With Greg Plump, Todd Jordan, or a redshirt freshman 
>
>Let's add to the drama!  he's a true freshman!  
>
>(Thanks for the optimistic outlook Mark!)
>
>David
>
>-- 
>               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
>         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
> Mississippi State University |
>     dkm2@isis.cc.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 


David, 
    
What's the latest word out of Starkville on the quarterback situation?
Any news on who Jackie will use?  By the way, I expect the game to be very
hard-fought, and the team that wants it the most will win.

--Ken

AU '90



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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:37:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.121840.12359@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>In article <BvrnDM.6n5@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>*
>*Personally, I like the discussions but think they should go elsewhere.
>*Maybe the r.s.f.c band folks and the alt.drumcorp folks could put out
>*a call-for-votes for rec.music.people.who.march.while.playing.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Well, perhaps there already IS a CFD on a new group to include all marching 
>groups, regardless of corp, college or high school level.  In fact, the Thread

Well, I strongly suggest that whoever is running the CFD and CFVs also
post all future such announcements to this group (maybe ths message
could be forwarded to him/her.


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin(call me Axl) )
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 4-Oct
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:54:05 GMT

schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:


>>In article <1av0m3INNe3j@gap.caltech.edu>
>>   schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>> 
>>>I welcome comments and suggestions.
>> 
>> 
>>Ok, I've got a comment.
>> 
>> 
>>>5    Stanford                  86.745   4-1-0  77.989  ( 18,  79.905)  +13
>> 
>>>19   Texas_A&M                 80.726   5-0-0  74.433  ( 17,  80.645)  -2
>> 
>> 
>>Did you forget that A&M *beat* Stanford?  For that matter, how can
>>ND still be ranked higher than Stanford?  You've got a serious
>>problem with your program.....

>No I didn't forget that A&M beat Stanford.  Each game that a team plays
>has the same effect and nothing is done for head to head meetings.  The
>reason A&M is #19 is due to their small margins of victory and the
>strength of their opponents.  A&M's average margin is only 7.4 points
>while Stanford's is 12.6 which includes a negative margin in their loss.
>Stanford's strength of schedule is also 3.5 points higher.

>Notre Dame is still ranked higher than Stanford again because head to
>head meetings are not any more special than another game.  Notre Dame
>also has very big margin's of victory against teams that are not
>terrible teams.  Perhaps I should not reward big margin of victories
>as much as I presently do.


Why shouldn't head to head meetings have more effect than the other games? 
I would think that from the head to head meetings you get a more accurate
comparison of the strength of teams.
From: swangdb@mail.auburn.edu (David Swanger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: swangdb@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University

#From owen@ducvax.auburn.edu ()
#Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
#Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:34:59 GMT

#Better Auburn joke: If 2 Auburn graduates got married to each other, and a
#year later got a divorce, would they still be first cousins?

Et tu, Larry??


Ok, heres a bama joke:

Q: Why did the bama fan tattoo his initials on the palm of his hand?
A: He wanted a monogrammed handkerchief!


David Swanger
Academic Computing Services
Auburn University, AL
swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 11-Oct-92
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:09:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum) writes:

>In article <1bfk31INN8rh@gap.caltech.edu> schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd
>Schmidt) writes:

>>I welcome comments and suggestions.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>Rank Team                      Points  Record Strength  Last Week    Change
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>1    Washington                97.572   5-0-0  83.608  (  1,  97.695)  +0
>>5    Stanford                  89.520   5-1-0  77.495  (  5,  89.069)  +0
>>6    USC                       88.381   2-1-1  81.514  (  8,  87.236)  +2
>>14   Arizona                   81.959   2-2-1  75.114  ( 18,  80.546)  +4
>>17   Washington_State          81.353   5-0-0  69.350  ( 23,  78.936)  +6
>>22   California                80.932   3-2-0  78.537  ( 17,  81.006)  -5
>>27   UCLA                      78.100   3-2-0  74.719  ( 22,  78.991)  -5
>>33   Arizona_State             76.162   2-3-0  78.185  ( 31,  76.423)  -2
>>34   Oregon                    75.472   3-3-0  75.953  ( 28,  77.310)  -6

>Again you have 9 PAC 10 schools in the top 34.  Is this reasonable?

As has been discussed in another thread, the PAC-10 is the strongest
conference this year.  This is due to their out of conference record
the the strength of those opponents.  Based on that I think it is
reasonable.

Kevin
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From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:08:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!

In article <1992Oct12.152049.33301@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

|> 
|> As opposed to Washington, who has played high school football teams and 
|> no top ten teams.  Yes, they have played 3 teams that are or were in the top
|> 25, but so has Miami (Iowa was ranked much like Cal. was...) Victories over
|> #3 and #5/7, as well as #23 (or whatever Iowa was ranked) is much more 
|> impressive than victories over #11 #18, and #23 (Whatever Cal. was ranked when
|> they played Washington).  And, looking at who they both have left, Miami
|> still has 3 more ranked opponents to play (Boston College #20, WVirginia#24,
				^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Sorry but the Canws do not play BC this year.

|> and #14 Syracuse) as opposed to Washington and their 2 more(#22 WSU, and
|> #8 Stanford).  Say they both go undefeated..  What sounds better
|> Miami with it's 6 ranked opponents, at least 2 of which were top 7 teams,
|> or Washington with it's 5 ranked opponents??  And, if we look at only
|> right now, Miami has beaten PSU/FSU which were ranked at the time, and still
|> are, and Iowa who was ranked, but isn't any longer.  They also have to 
|> play Boston COllege this week, another ranked team (though if they get beat,
|> they probably won't be any longer either).  Out of 6 games, that would be
|> 6 ranked opponents, two in the top 7.  Washington has played 3 ranked teams,
|> one of which is no longer ranked, and none in the top 10.  
|> Seems to me that Washington is playing the patsies here...
|> -- 
|> David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
|> VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
|> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
|> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"

Greg Garbe
garbe@phys.ucalgary.ca
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: usa
Keywords: Marquette Smith
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:43:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct6.222906.8369@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>Perhaps you have missed some of my other posts. In one of them I mentioned
>the situation of Marquette. Like so many other very talented players, Bobby
>has decided in his infinite wisdom to put Smith (a rb rated higher than
>Faulk the year they graduated)                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is the second time you've said this.  Faulk was primarily
seen as an impact DEFENSIVE BACK coming out of high school in New
Orleans.  There were probably many RB's rated higher than him that year
because most schools he talked to let him know they were interested in
him only in this regard (including LSU).  SDSU was one of the very few
who said "We'll give you a legitimate chance at RB" and he jumped on it.
 
>Kevin (who wants his power I set back)

Inspector Clyde has been delving in other Kevin "El Diablo" Delgado
posts and discovered:
>heard nothing else since. Of course, noone here in good old Tally would dare
>say a harsh word against Bobby. Ya see, he is of the old "southern gentleman"
>mold...and people of the south have a hard time knocking a guy who is so damn
>friendly, honest, and philanthropic as Bowden...even if he is a loser.  I, on
>the other hand, was born and raised in the North (NY) and have no such
>problem with ragging on him...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ah-Ha!  There in lies the Evil......Mamou is lovely this time of year....


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: CU's Kordell Stewart out for 1 week
Keywords: Koy Detmer, Kordell Stewart
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:49:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.184031.1192@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.010727.3433@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>>From a news release provided today at 5pm MDT from the CU athletic office.
>>
>>Kordell Stewart fractured his left wrist in thursday nights game against MU.
>>He will be side lined for four weeks and will miss the Oklahoma, Kansas St 
>>Nebraska and Oklahoma State games.
>
>From the 10/11 Denver Post:
>
>The X-rays taken on Friday revealed a fracture of the navicular bone (in
>his non-throwing hand).  The injury occurred when Stewart was hit in the
>third quarter after completing a pass to WR Michael Westbrook; Stewart
>thought he had sprained his thumb, and went on to complete 6 of his
>final 12 passes for 103 yards and 2 INTs.
>
>Kordell will be fitted with a cast that will prevent him from receiving
>center snaps, and he could return _at_the_earliest_ in 4 to 6 weeks.
>(Before badly spraining his foot against Baylor this year, he had never
>been injured playing football at any level.)

Well, never mind all that.  Wearing his new cast and some extra padding
on his left hand, Stewart took every exchange from the snapping
mechanism in yesterday's practice and fumbled just one.  He's apparently
in some pain and can't hold the ball in his left hand, but was excited
because pressure on his hand was not transmittted to his thumb.  He
could play on Saturday if necessary, and it seems likely he'll return as
the starter against either OK State or Nebraska (!).

>>This is a most unfortunate spot to lose
>>one of the nations top passers. True freshman Koy Detmer will start agains 
>>OU on Oct 17ths nationally televised game. Koy Detmer has thrown 5 TDs in 
>>two halfs of football.
>
>McCartney hasn't confirmed that Detmer will start, but it's a near
>certainty; Duke Tobin would then be the backup, with Vance Joseph, who
>is now recovering from a sore shoulder and had planned to redshirt,
>behind him.  Tobin and Detmer were 3rd and 4th string through most of
>August, until Joseph hurt his shoulder and Stewart got the starting job
>by default.

McCartney announced yesterday that Detmer will start, but also said that
Stewart will back him up as the second-string QB.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: usa
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.222906.8369@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

   we had no recievers to speak of. This year we are all passing due to the new
   offense...even though we still have the most talented stable of RB's in the
   country at our disposal, IMNSHO. Now, if we were running the good old
   power

Once again, a fan in Florida confuses the state with the country.  I know
three teams in the big ten with better backs than you guys.

Bill


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From: holt@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Richard Holt)
Subject: Russell White
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:17:52 GMT

I have heard rumors that Russell White of Cal has
been slighlty injured lately. A groin or a hamstring.
Does anyone know about this?

Richard Holt

.


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From: wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami's whining
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:08:59 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In an article <1992Oct09.232435.131800@zeus.calpoly.edu>,
aholdern@zeus.calpoly.edu (Andrejs Abolins Holderness) writes:

>Why is it that miami has to complain about everything..even in victor  y.
>Miami has chosen to be independant so that they can schedule mostly
>creampuffs...with a couple of decent teams thrown in. This assures
>them a title hunt even when they may not deserve it(last year for example)
>So until they get a conference with tough opponents each week, I guess
>we'll have to hear complaints each week whether they win or lose.         i


What's your point?  Miami's in the Big East.  Have they gone independent
in the last week or something?  I don't know.  I must be seeing things
when I look into a paper and see Miami under Big East.  No!  The
newspapers are all making mistakes, that's it!



Will Motley
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: Re: The Big Eight's Demise as a national power
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.142244.3754@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> wt124177@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>This really is not news to the majority of football fans,
>but the Big Eight's hopelessly option dominated offenses....well,
>Colorado at least is trying to pass more often....will not allow
>any of these teams as a serious contender to a team such as Miami
>or Washington, with better balance......
>
>Of course, the Big Eight Champion has the toughest bowl assignment:
>usually playing Miami in the Orange Bowl.....which if they did win,
>the team should get the title automatically for beating Miami on
>their home turf.
>
>Anyway, the current setbacks for the Big Eight are not permanent,
>but will continue as long as the current emphasis stays on an option
>oriented run offense....
>
>Warren L. Roy
>West Virginia Institute of Technology
>
>"The easiest way to win is to eliminate the competition........"


i think it's not true what you just said. i think the only teams in the big-8
that still runs the option is nebraska and just recently, iowa state. other
than these 2 teams, oklahoma has dumped their option, so has colorado.

and i don't believe i've seen kansas state, okie state, or mizzou running the option b4....
maybe they should try, considering the kind of succeess they have been having
recently.

hank
ongh@iastate.edu
From: dl5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Darrell Louie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Worst Sports Day in the World (tm)
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:25:41 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Ugh.

Here I am a long way from home, California, and all I get is bad news. 
The Bears lost, Niners did not even beat the spread (sort of bad news),
and did I hear correctly that the Eck gave up a ninth inning home run to
Alomar to tie?  To top this all off, finals at CMU are just around the
corner and I've been averaging only 4 hours/night of sleep.  What's even
worse is that my roommate hates the A's and gives me a Toronto cheer
whenever he can.
  
Hmm.  If you hear of a mass murder being committed in the Pitt area, it
could be me relieving some stress before/after finals.  

Final thoughts:

The Bear will never die, Beat Stanford and maybe there will be an Aloha
Bowl berth in Cal's future this year.

Ciao from the pit (aka the GSIA computer cluster)
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:42:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.180546.10313@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.125456.2074@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>>"Since Stanford beat Washington, and A&M beat Stanford, then..." :-)
>
>That was then, this is now... 

Yup.  That tick mark went in Stanford's loss column back then.  And sure 
enough, it is still there right now.

- goober (your roving reporter) smith
From: lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:20:08 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <yvonne.718931773@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
writes:
>In <1992Oct12.030351.17003@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S.
Manu) writes:
>
>>No chance.. I think Miami is going to stay unbeaten now which means they
>>will be playing the highest ranked available team in some bowl game
>>which probably will be A&M or FSU given their current ranking... There is
>>no way Stanford is going to jump in front of these teams unless they
>>beat Washington.
>
>>>- Chung Yang   
>
>>Njan
>A&M is committed to play in the Cotton Bowl if they win the SWC (extremely
>likely), and I think the ACC champion is committed to a bowl (Citrus?), so I
>don't think this scenario would happen.
>-- 
Is Miami committed to any particular bowl?  I think they are free to go
anywhere they are invited.  I know they prefer to play at home, but they will
probably want to go up against the best possible opponent this year, especially
if UW is still undefeated and will play an undefeated, 1 tie Michigan team.  If
Alabama makes it unscathed to the Sugar Bowl (that will be quite difficult of
course) then I would expect Miami to end up there.  (assuming of course that
they do not lose a game.)
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