From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:12:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes...
|>Ditto.  As for my friend, he says he has never been a big drinker
|>so this doesn't support any of Ben's claims either.
|
| I apologize for everything, folks. I had no idea that I would be
|BLASTED and told I was "full of shit" and to "fuck off" simply for
|making this statement. 

Hmm, since you followed up to my post and used my above excerpt
to base your flame on, I'm assuming you are directing it at me (AND
to the others in this newsgroup).

You just said "... simply for making this statement."  
Since you made this statement, you must
agree with it and, to me, that goes along the lines of a claim.  You
said that alcohol causes blurriness, which I equated with a claim,
and then I showed a counter example. 

|I did not realize that people here would so
|drastically overreact and, instead of simply saying something like
A)
|"Well, in my expoerience that is not true..." but instead seizing on the
B)
|"alcohol causes blurring" thing as BEN'S CLAIM and continuing to toss it
|around, using it as an excuse to call me a "liar", an "asshole", and
|many other things.

A)  Ben, Isn't that EXACTLY what I was doing with my anecdote about
my friend?  Wasn't I saying, "In my (friend's) experience, that is not true?"
If I wasn't, what the hell do you think I was doing?

B) Please see what I wrote about making a statement and making a claim.  To
me, if you say something publicly, that is akin to making a claim.
"Ben's claim" was derived from you saying that alcohol causes blurriness,
which was a statement you wrote, which I took as a claim made by Ben, which
in turn evolved into "Ben's claim."

And by the way, I never called anybody a liar or an asshole, and if you
think _I_ did, you better double check.

|Okay, I'm beginning to learn how things are done on Usenet. Please allow
|me to attempt to communicate in the way you folks understand...
|
|FUCK YOU AND EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU.
|YOU EAT SHIT.      FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.
|GO FUCK A SKUNK.   YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
|YOU FUCK SHIT.     FUCK YOUR SHIT, ASSHOLE.
|
|Am I learning the "Usenet Way of Debate" or what?

This is only my third post to this newsgroup -- I've been reading it for
about a month and a half now, lurking mostly, of course.  I came across it
and was genuinely interested in it (I'm contemplating getting a tat).
I sat back and just read the various articles, learning the gist of the
group, the tone of the group and the overall style.  As somebody (Tye B.?)
wrote, when one starts reading a new group, you almost HAVE to lurk a while
to understand it.

From my experience with public BBS's/ fidonet/etc, USENET is, on the whole,
much more dignified than the other nets.  Note I said, "on the whole."
Lets try to improve it here.

-Brent 
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Brent P. Burton, N5VMG                                    Computer Sci/Physics
bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu                                   Texas A&M University
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