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From: herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST: TNG movie???
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:28:50 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Previously rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) wrote:
 
>   Seriously, I hope so.  Personally, I would *love* to see a move
>which follows up on that first (or second???) season episode about
>the little critters that were trying to take over the Federation
>(remember, the *really* gross one).  That would be way cool :-).
 
In this years which is available this week, Star Trek the Next
Generation Annual #3 by DC Comics deals with those critters.
 
--
Herbert Fung                    | "Hard work doesn't make miracles,
Edmonton Remote Systems         |   Miracles just make hard work!"
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada       |       The Herbster! 1988From:

Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:49:16 GMT

>>jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowli

>>I just thought of something: Twain's watch should not exist in the 24th Centur
>>as it would be infinitely old.  Think about it.  He picks up his watch in
>>the future, where it is 500 years old, then leaves it in the cave.  Therefore,
>>in the future it must be 1000 years old, then 1500 etc etc.  It's caught in
>>a time loop where it has no existence after the 24th century, but must
>>logically have infinite age at all points in its existence directly after
>>Clemens' time-travel.
>>
>>In any case, it's a paradox without solution, and they screwed up.  What do
>>y'all think?

I think you missed something important.  Twain did indeed pick up his
watch in the future (although I am unsure what he did with it at
that point).  However, it looked like Twain found his original watch in
the cave at the end.  He started to take it, thought things through, and
decide to leave it instead.  He left the orginal watch not the one from
the future.  If this is the case, there is no paradox involving the
watch.

Maybe someone with the episode on tape can check this out.

Robert Cole
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:27:30 GMT

In article <goudswaa.717631178@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter  
Goudswaard) writes:

> Any student of AI and natural language processing will tell you that
> it's a simple matter to create contractions as output.  How about
> something as simple as replacing "I am" with "I'm"?  It doesn't take
> a genius to figure that one out.  Of course context has a lot to do
> with it, but that's beside the point.  The fact is, it is very easy
> to implement, and some layman at Paramount decided to give Data a few
> machine-like characteristics.  Unfortunately, not being able to say
> contractions was a wrong choice.

I would tend to disagree with you.  It isn't just simply replacing "I am"
with "I'm."  In one situation, "I am" would be a better choice, and in
another situation, "I'm" would be a better choice.  As I said, it's a 
matter of emotions that would decide.  How a poet reads his poetry depends
on the mood of the poem.  If Data were to read a poem, I don't think it
would come out right.  A poem sounds much different and conveys a different
message when read in a certain manner.  And that is all an expression of
emotions, which Data does not have.
Yes, context does have a lot to do with it, but it is not beside the point.
It is not so easy to implement.  Why did you say, "it's a simple matter..."
and then go right on to say, "it is very easy..."  I would tend to think
that your choice of the use of a contraction in the first instance was a
good choice, and that of not contracting in the second instance was as
equally a good choice.  The sentences flow better with the contraction in
one and the absence of the contraction in the other.  But why would I think
that?  Because it just sounds better.  Does Data know what sounds better?
I don't think so ("I do not think so" would not sound quite right (and
"wouldn't sound quite right" would not sound right either).

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: Cause and Effect
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:14:24 GMT

bblais@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (Rob) writes:

>>I watched TNG episode 'Cause and Effect' (I think that was the name) the other
>>day.  After the E-Prise finally clears the time loop, Picard has Data check
>>the chronometers with Star Fleet Command's.  They turn out to be 17 or 18 days
>>off.  

> I think that the measurement is an inconsistancy on the part of the
>writers.  If you think of a 'time loop' like a roller coaster loop you might
>see what I mean.  
>
> If you have a roller coaster with several very close loops, the roller
>coaster will end up (after the loops), with the same horizontal displacement as
>a rollercoaster would if it didn't make the loops.

But it does take longer to go 17 rides on a rollercoaster than only 1.

>By the time the enterprise came out, the outside world
>had only experience the 10 seconds of time that it took for the enterprise to
>avoid the oncoming ship.  Same with the crew of the enterprise. No time was
>lost or gained.

>(just as the captain of the other ship survived 80+ years
>of looping).

The other ship was not looping for 80+ years.  For them, it was an
instantaneous travel from past to present, and was only in existence for
the (about) 15 seconds of the E's loop.  Within 15 seconds, they didn't
have much time to react to the loops, or experience ni'PAgh.

>   Brian Blais
>   bblais@eagle.wesleyan.edu

Just remember:  In Star Trek, time travel is instantaneous for those
doing the travelling.

-- 
aberigan@nde.unl.edu (Greg Berigan)
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From: cbsmith@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:19:41 GMT

---------
Hey, Look at Riker. Same thing. The reason why they haven't been promoted is simple: where will they put them?

--Chris
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From: antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (J.C.Burns)
Subject: Re: TNG in Newsweek
Organization: Georgia State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:00:38 GMT


>when I think Robert Bly and STTNG, I
automatically think of the second season episode, the Icarus Agenda.

...yes, I think you're right. The only thing 'Darmok' had to do with
the men's movement is that it had a campfire scene.

--jcburns

[and my wife can start a campfire with one match...]
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season ST:TNG Program Guide Update News
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:25:33 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <ac243131@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> henry.lebovic@p1.f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Henry Lebovic) writes:
<Original to: brown@vidiot.UUCP
< > brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot), via Kralizec 3:713/602
<
<
< > This is a pre-publication warning regarding the ST:TNG Program Guide.
< > Why the
< > warning?  Well, the "look" of the guide is changing.
<
<Hello from Australia !
<I'm just wondering where I might be able to get a copy of your guide. Can I
<order it from Australia ? I would appreciate some details of just how I
<migbt get it.

A copy can be ordered from me.  It isn't cheap because of the large amount
that needs to be added for postage.  Australia is the only country left that
has a limit of one pound as the maximum rate for small packet book rate.
Everyone else is as least two and most are four.

If you want a copy on A4 paper, instead of the U.S. letter paper, let me know.
The guide will soon be available from a distributor in the U.K.

Send me e-mail for details.
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From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: My $0.02 about "Time's Arrow II"
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:33:38 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

In article <1992Sep28.164445.27181@mercury.cair.du.edu>, mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
|> In article <1a52e0INNje9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
|> >	(2)  The story shows a *fundamental* misunderstanding of
|> >the disease cholera.  Cholera is a highly contagious, highly virulent
|> (some deleted)
|> True.  But surely Crusher brought some medical stuff along if
|> anybody caught anything bad.  Probably by the 24th century
|> it's a pill like aspirin to cure cholera.

I think the major point here is that there really wasn't that much of a
cholera epidemic.  That was just the cover that the aliens used to
cover so many deaths in one place in such a short time.  They posed as
doctor and nurse at the hospital so I assume they helped spread the
rumor by pronouncing a lot of "cholera deaths".

|> >	(4)  Picard poking an S.O.S. into Data's static RAM is the
|> >worst deus ex machina device I can think of in ST:TNG. 
|> > ...[blah, blah, blah]
|> 
|> I'm not sure why this one is so debated.  Picard probably just
|> put in a binary message.  You know 000001, for A; 000011 for B
|> etc.  and typed out a message.  That's not so bad.

Picard only typed in a few words into Data's input circuits.  True a
message sent through Guinan would have been a bit more palatable.

|> >	(6)  Sam Clemens saves this episode.  The actor who played
|> >him did a great job.

I would have phasored him early in the show.

|> >	(7)  The "mystery" between Picard and Guinan is another one
|> >of those "ho-hum did they or didn't they?" tidbits that the writers
|> >have lamely tried to tempt us with.  Wil 'n' Deanna, Bev 'n' Jean-
|> >Luc, Geordi 'n' the holodeck.  If all they can do is tease, then
|> >they should just forget it.
|> 
|> Oh, just let it be.  I'd rather not know anyhow.

Amen.

|> >	(8)  How did Data's body end up back in the cavern on
|> >Davidia II?  Nobody picked it up and carried it through the
|> >gateway that I saw...
|> 
|> Blown through in the energy blast.  Watch it carefully.  I
|> was surprised too but my roommate noticed it.

Hurrah, someone else who actually watched the show!

|> >	(9)  How come Picard defended the Crystalline Entity's
|> >right to feed off of the terror of dying humans as simple hunger,
|> >while the Soul Ghouls must be immediately destroyed for doing
|> >essentially the same thing?
|> 
|> I have no idea.  Bad writing.

Hunting humans by a rather advanced and intelligent species is much
different than gutting whole planets.  Still, Picards always the one
to talk and try diplomacy and he wasn't in command at the time of the
shooting.  Also, they just destroyed the cavern (and a few aliens), it's
not like they were wiping out the entire species.


	-Christopher
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From: spainhou@cs.scarolina.edu (Keith Spainhour)
Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  1 Oct 92 02:46:11 GMT

carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett) writes:

>>for those of you who are unhappy with the presidential candidates for the
>>upcoming election, I would like to nominate the ticket of PICARD/RIKER in 92.
>>Please help us change the face of politics as we know it today.  On November 3
>>write in PICARD/RIKER.  Thank you for your support.

>(*SIGH*)  If it were only possible.....

To make life really interesting why don't we get Wesley and Alexander.  Despite
their ages they are more qualified than those already in the race.  

Just a Joke!!!

==============================================================================

MAXIMUS

	(Apollo was astonished; Dionysis thought me mad)

==============================================================================

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From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Cpt. Ross Perot
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:08:41 GMT

In article <tappek-051092152154@kurt_mac.bntley.ingr.com>
tappek@bntley.bntley.ingr.com (Kurt Tappe) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.173240.6033@linus.mitre.org>, m14494@mwvm.mitre.org
>(Mike White) wrote:
>> 
>> Which leads us naturally to: Cpt. Ross Perot, Starfleet Command!
>
>
>C'mon.... you GOTTA admit that if Perot were the space-going type, he
>would be a FERENGI!  (Especially with those ears! ;-)
>
>
Wouldn't he then be called, DAMON PEROT   ???

(Spelling might be incorrect for Damon - sorry!)

Jon
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TA2, Halley's Comet
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep29.170126.842@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:

>I was willing to forgive the whole Samual Clemens travels
>to the 24th century stuff just for the one small comment he
>made about Halley's Comet to Troi as he leaves the transporter room.

>Sam says says something like, "Have you ever seen Halley's Comet?"

>Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
>He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
>I doubt he ever got to see.

What was even *worse* was that he *mispronounced* it!!!

The comet was named after Sir Edmund Halley (Ha [as in have] lee)
Around the late 1950's people started calling it "Hay-lee" after
Bill Haley and the Comets (whose name was a play on Halley!)

SLC was *dead* by the 1950's, so he probably would have used
the comet's original pronounciation!

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:36:39 GMT

odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:

>  I'd double check this myself if a friend of mine didn't have my tapes, but
>  in the episode "Family," doesn't Worf's 'Father' refer to Chief O'Brien as
>  a non-com?  That would certainly keep O'Brien from being a Lieutenant, no
>  matter what his pips said, if it's true.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Here we go again.

O'Brien wears lieutenants pips (two full).
Sergei Roschenko called him a Chief Petty Officer.

Question: which is correct? Did Sergei make a mistake? Is Sergei senile?
Has O'Brien been wearing the wrong pips all along? Has the costume dept.
been putting the wrong pips on the actor all this time? Etc., etc., etc.

I remember the flame war.

As if that wasn't bad enough, the trading cards (ok, a non-canon source)
identify O'Brien as being a Lieutenant Junior Grade (one full, one empty).

What I don't understand is why the writers or producers can't just settle
the inconsistency once and for all. What's with all this fiddling around
with pips across seasons.

Maybe they think the viewers won't notice!!

And incidentally, wasn't Barclay a full lieutenant the last time? He had
only the Lt j.g. rank in Realm of Fear. This is getting annoying.

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
I officially represent each and every one of the above bodies--NOT!

"Perhaps you're just different. It's not a sin, you know--though you may
 have heard otherwise."                     --Tam Elbrun, ST:TNG "Tin Man"
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From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: ST: TNG movie ???  Star Trek VII discussion ??? ---pot. spoiler---
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 03:25:06 GMT


POTENTIAL SPOILER!!!

But so far in advance it's just a rumour!

And probably will be forgotten by the time the movie comes out...

But, here goes...

Well, the latest quote I heard of from Mr. Takei recently suggested the
thematic plot elements for Star Trek VII.  Apparently,  Sulu commands
the Excelsior (well, we've already seen that), but his irritation with
his helmsman has led him to select a new Starfleet Academy grad.

Bright young chap, a little unruly, wears his hair a little too long
for regulations, but one of the Academy's best.

Takei pointed out an oddity, though.  The young man has a French name
but an English accent.

And that's all he would say...


ENGAGE!

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From: kelsey@redwing.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
Subject: Re: Wheres the Prime Meridian? (was Re: Questions on Time's Arrow)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:29:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.140520.675@skitzo.dseg.ti.com>, hutto@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
|> In article <2021.406.uupcb@the_matrix.com>, michael.davidson@the_matrix.com (Michael Davidson)  writes:
|> > 
|> > JB.Question 1)  I understand how Data knows it's 42 *North*.  Equators
|> >   .can be defined.  But I thought that east and west lines were
|> >   .subjective.
|> > 
|> > Nope. They're measured east and west of the prime meridian.
|> > 
|> Okay then, we know where the prime meridian is on Earth, but how would he know
|> where it is on a previously unexplored/uncharted world?  Is there some standard
|> method that has been developed for determining a prime meridian for an unknown
|> planet, or is this something the general viewing public isn't supposed to 
|> think about? (:
|> 
|> (I've wondered about this a couple of times before when watching the shows, but
|> never thought it important enough to think about afterwards.  Now that the
|> question has been raised, it might be interesting to explore/find out about.)
|>  
|> JRH
|> Hutto@Skitzo.dseg.ti.com
|> .gis. dednah tfeL                                           

This question was "addressed" in "We'll Always Have Paris."  In that episode, Worf
announced the location of Dr. Manheim's laboratory as "latitude <something>
north, longitude <something else> east of current terminator."  Presumably they
have some well-known Starfleet convetion for _which_ terminator (sunrise or
sunset), but it's nice to know the writers thought about it.  As for episodes where
they don't say it explicitly, maybe everyone already knows that, but the young
(red-shirt) Lieutenant Worf was just been extra-pedantic to get brownie points :-)
						-- Mike Kelsey 
-- 
[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.  Attack ships on fire off
the shoulder  of Orion.   I've watched  C-beams glitter in  the darkness
near the Tannhauser Gate.  All these memories will be lost in time, like
tears in the rain."  -- Roy Batty
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: RE: Three Questions
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 08:52:21 EST

In article <LX4TRB6w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
 
>> >1.  Who is Christina Peralta ?
>> >2.  In which episode(s) of ST:TNG did she appear ?
>> >3.  Why is she in the October 1992 issue of Playboy ?
>Actually, if memory serves me, she was the Deltan in ST: The Motion
>Picture.  Probably wrong though.
 
You are correct.  i.e. about being wrong.  The Deltan was Miss India
back then and whilst I cannot remember her name, it was not Christina
Peralta.
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From: adelpha@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Book on ST fiction
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:27:00 GMT

I'm looking to interview pro and fanzine-published fan writers of ST
fiction for a book I'm writing on the subject of Star Trek fiction.
I'm looking for pro writers from both the Bantam and Pocket lines.
Any interested writers or those who know where I could locate
interested writers, please contact me.

Many, many thanks,


Scott

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: opinionated comments
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:42 EST

>(Grading change: I'm dropping the music category. I refuse to indulge
>Rick Berman by calling that goop he mandates "music.")

I agree.  Did you too read that Cinefantastique October '92 Special
Double Issue on Star Trek: The Next Generation?  In it was a small
article on the music of TNG, and I am very sorry to hear the Ron Jones
was fired.  His music was the best.  ESEPCIALLY BOBW1&2.  Anyways, the
music was mostly nil in TA2, but the "look-back" part of the episode (Ya
know, the part when they reflect on part one?) was nice, but that's
about it.

HOWEVER, the teaser music for "Realm of Fear" was AMAZING!  A truly
inspirational change from the traditional "plonk plonk, twang twang"
music they had before.  I hope they do this more often, like the "I,
Borg" one, but I'm afraid they'll only do this if it fits the theme.
"Real of Fear" looks like it's going to be a very dark story, with a
dark, "never resolved" ending.



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From: WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Promos for: RELICS (#230)
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:55:22 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

A hmmmmmm.... question.       If Scotty is re-commissioned as Captain of Engin-
eering.  How would he fit into a TNG Starfleet Uniform?
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