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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rachel, Nathan etc...
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:43:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.171113.26580@decuk.uvo.dec.com> mobey@arrods.enet.dec.com (arrods::mobey) writes:

>    Rachel wasn't an only child
>    in an issue of one or other of the comics she has a flash
>    "back" 
>    she has TWO <--------
>    brothers   twins ...
>    and guess what
>    their names are Christopher and Nathan


That is from a "What If..." Story line.  I think it was "What if Prof. X
was the Juggernaut."  A very bad story in my opinion (But then, I haven't liked
most of the stories in the new What If...The original was (again in my opinion)
much better.

The one thing I have always wondered about Rachel and Nathan is why she didn't
come to his rescue when Apocalypse was killing him in the old X-factor book.
It seems that she would have sensed his pain.  I guess the reason was that
the writer (Simonson) either forgot about her rapport with the baby or didn't 
know how she could write Phoenix into the story...it would have made things 
too easy for X-Factor...but either way, its sloppy that it wasn't mentioned
ever.

Patrick
From: n8943689@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Elric of Melnibone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Shatterstar Dead....Muhahahahaha
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:35:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep30.183537.16634
Organization: Western Washington University

First off I wish shatterstar would stay dead, but this is Marvel
the home of the never ending hero/villan.  I figure that Shatterstar
will be on the verge of death, and the X-freaks will feel sorry for
him spend lots of money and technology (that they could have used
to save Professor X but he doesn't sell as many comics as Shatterstar)
to save him.  He'll then feel dishonored 'cause Wolvie didn't kill
him that he will have to leave the team, go off to some far distant
land, and Marvel will give him his own series.  Every issue of his
new series will be a foil embossed/hologram cover with 10 different
variations (all for the fan boys of course) and the price will be
at least $4.95 each.


-- 
Pete Giffin <n8943689@henson.cc.wwu.edu> <uw-beaver!henson.cc.wwu.edu!n8943689>
"When the first living thing existed, I was there waiting.  When the last
living thing dies, my job will be finished.  I'll put the chairs on the tables,
From: jchiu@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (James Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: New X-Men Cartoons
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:01:17 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

mrj@b15.ingr.com (Mike Jones) writes:
> Saw a commercial last night (4th) for the new X-Men cartoons on Fox.
> They are starting on October 24th at 10 or 11 am.

Yes, I saw that commercial too- to be precise, the series start at 10:am EST
From: bd112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig H. Rettig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Dangling X-Factor lists
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:24:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In regards to the Alpha Flight issues which explainied the origin
of Lorna Dean/Goblyn, it was issues #52-53.

-- 
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          --The Heckler  THE HECKLER #1
Craig H. Rettig -- University of Cincinnati -- GWAR in '92
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Canonical X-Factor Dangling
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:33:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21007
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>7.  What has happened to Bora, a Russian mutant who can, like Storm, controll
>weather.  She first appeared in an issue of Moon Knight where he and the X-men
>chased her down.  She got away, and I think she reappeared in an issue of
>Spiderman(?) and she and a companion were trapped in a painting?  I'm not real
>sure about this.

I am, unfortunately. Bora joined with some punk and this *real obscure
villain* (help, Obscure Trivia Lad, help me!), who was actually this bunch
of alien/daemonic insects, and they formed the team the Avaunt Garde, or
the Art Garde, or something like that. I think they all got sucked into a
painting at the end of the storyline (this was in Web of Spider-Man), where,
hopefully, they're sharing better times with Mr. Nobody.

>11.  I forget wether it was Dazzler's book or an early issue of X-Factor, but
>a young seaman named Pvt. Zalme was introduced.  His power was out of control
>and he turned into a big red dinosaur.  There has been no follow up to this
>story to the best of my knowledge.  He is *not* Devil Dinosaur.  He was on the
>lam from the Navy, however.

Ah, yes, Private Zalme. Dazzler. The Assistant Editor's Month. Issue #31, I
believe, although I'm going from memory, so don't quote me. The issue where
she gets the car ride from Ralph Macchio (the Marvel Editor, not the actor),
and -- could it be Bob Harras goes megalomaniac and demands a whole bunch of
silly story lines? Nah, must have been a dream.

Anyway, all the "Army" people at the comics convention were take-offs of
Marvel staff. Zalme, for instance, is a Bullpen artist, who used to do the
art for the calendars on the back of Marvel Age. I really doubt that there
will be a followup to that story. Really, really, really doubt. God, do I
doubt.
-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The "NEW" New Mutants!
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:18:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <m0mbhPY-00013pC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
>How about we let the original New Mutants remain "X-Force" and then have
>Professor X start a "new" New Mutants school.  The new members could/should
>consist of the prestently "unused" contingent of the Young & the Restless.
 
I do think that bringing the original New Mutants back into Xavier's is 
probably a bit out of the question at this point.  However, i would like
to see the old team assembled again, even as X-Force as long as they got
their legal problems straightened out.  I'd like to see Feral DEAD, Shatterstar
returned to his dimension to do whatever he does there, Illyana brought
back in some capacity, 'Douglock' brought in (if he's handled good, not
like some Vision clone), and Dani and Rahne reunited.  That'd make me
really happy.

>Possible members for consideration:
>
>Whiz Kid (Taki)
>Leech
>Artie Maddicks

I always hated those three characters passionately, along with the rest of
the Fallen Angels (except Jamie, Siryn, Bobby, and Warlock)

>Illyana Rasputin

I don't think Illyana's much good at her present age, but i would like to
see her grown up and back with the rest of the New Mutants (although the
most interesting aspect of her character was her perverted, dark side
(ok, maybe i'm a bit demented), which has been pretty well done to death
and wrapped up).

>Tommy Grey
>Gailyn Grey
>X'an Coy Mann's brother & sister
>The other children from Nanny & the Orphan Maker storyline

I really have no particular interest in these characters, and would rather
see them all remain in character limbo except as they're needed to wrap up
plot danglers...

MHO, of course...

JRjr

-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: RE: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:21:00 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <maguire-061092091529@128.149.100.151> maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>6.  Xavier should open another school for training mutants, and abandon
>field leadership of the X-Men.                                         o

If the White Queen's dead, what happens to Massechusetts Academy?
>
>8.  Betsy shouldn't like being what the Hand turned her into.

I think it's clear that she likes the way things have turned out for her
>
>11.  Why aren't the X-Men looking for Dazzler and Longshot?

Because they know where they are: in Mojoverse.

>13.  Restore the Magneto characterization

I don't think CC's Magneto characterisation has changed that much over
the years.  We've yet to see how Fabian will handle him.

>Turn X-Force book back to New Mutants.

Well, with Cable and Domino gone that leaves Shatterstar and Feral to
be written out.  Then they could bring back Karma and siblings and
there you go.

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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:37:11 GMT
Followup-To: Kev. Maguire
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


	Uh, Kev.  You've got yourself some great ideas here, but there
are problems.  You don't honestly believe Marvel would 
	A)  Actually let a character as popular as Gambit be written off
	     as a villan and possibly killed...
	B)  Actually let a character as popular as Cable just disappear from
	     the Marvel Universe as a whole...
	C)  Actually tie up every single dangling plotline from here to
		the mid-70's, including Wolverine,...
Do You?

	Personally, in response to B, have you read the Cable miniseries
(1) yet?  It (gasp!) actually gives the big guy some background and character
development!!!  The way I see it, give Cable and Wolverine their OWN PERMANENT
SERIES, thus removing these folks from the ranks of the X-Whatevers while
still panning to the drooling fans out there, allowing of course for the
>>occassional<< crossover.   Unfortunately, the Gambit thing is still a 
problem.
	Overall, though, I like your ideas (especially the technical ones.  
Why the $#^%*#$% hasn't anyone helped Xavier with his legs, or fitted
Rogue with a thingamagadget to nullify her absorbing power?!?) and wouldn't
mind MOST of them going into action.  Good calls.

		Until the sewers of America get flamed to death,
			King Rat hiding out!!!

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.xbooks:1138 rec.arts.comics:23593 rec.arts.comics.misc:2991
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The SMILEY Dictionary!
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:00:24 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

>Ok here it is - you asked for it! :-)

>The Unofficial Smilie Dictionary
>--------------------------------

You forgot:

I-)	user wears a ruby-quartz visor!

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:36:29 GMT

In article <91410@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes:
>
>I wonder if we will run into another Jamie who has been on his father's farm
>all this time and never met the Fantastic Four or the X-Men...or one that
>has meet the FF and X-Men but never went to Muir Island.  (you see where this
>is going...)

Yes... soon we'll have the CRISIS ON INFINITE MADROXES, in which all the
Jamies are assimilated into one, with many of the Golden Age Jamies
dying.  After that, his origin will be completely redone at least once
every two years, ...

(oops, wrong company....)
-- 
What did Dan Quayle get on his IQ test? 
                                             Drool.
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Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 15:26:47 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: listen up people
Distribution: world

>	until you are doing a job like theirs for as long as they have
>	you have no right whatsoever to complain
> 
>	like i said before, if you don't like it don't buy
> 
>	bite me fanboy(s)

This is getting a bit ridiculous, no?  It's natural to have an opinion,
and this board is specifically designed to be a place where those
opinions can be expressed.  On the same note, Pat, if you don't want to
read complaints, don't read the posts.  

Compulsive Comic Kid
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Cutioner's Song
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:36:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80927
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


 In some posted message somebody complains about Rogue (God forbid!!!) actually
STRIKING Boom-Boom.  Oh, no.  How terrible.  X-Force made it perfectally
clear that this fight world be for real  ("We're not y'all's New Mutants
anymore"),("...a Cadre warrior prefers death to defeat {or something.  Rats
are not blessed with the amazing memory of Total-Recall man}"),  Boomer was
pumping Rogue full of time-bombs, and Rogue responded accordingly.  What'd
expect, Rogue to come pat Boomer on the head and say :"Y'all is captured, 
sugah"?
	In another aspect of this issue, whatever happened to shatterstar's 
energy blasts?  He nukes Sam in NM100, and I've never seen it again (although
I admit to only grabbing a few issues of X-Force.  Rats also are not gifted
with the wealth of "Mommy's-paying-for-my-comics Lad").  Why the frack would
a trained warrior (by the way:  this sap is the best warrior his world could 
offer?  He seems outclassed by nearly everybody!!!) ever let someone as 
deadly as Wolverine get as close as he did?  True, the honorable warrior
sparring contest COULD be the reason, but I don't buy it.

	Until the Knight Sabers are hired to take out a sawed-off
	boomer with adamantium blades (Bubblegum Desperation Move, #1),
			King Rat signing off!!!
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 22:01:15 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NCCS & RS

>	Everyone, remember how Ravhel always says that she's the eldest 
>child of Scott and Jean?  Well, with Nathan in the picture, that can still be
>true do to the fact that Nathan isn't Jean's son BUT Madelyne's son.  So,
>Rachel can still be the oldest sibling of Jean and Scott's!!!  She may or may
>not know about Nathan being born because of the fact that he was taken away.
>So, all Jean has to do is get pregnant with Scott's child and BBBAAAMMM!!! 
>Rachel is born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think that this is one of the least far-fetched and most reasonable
ideas I've seen on the net for a while except for the fact that I find
it highly unlikely that Rachel never would have been told about the
existence of Nathan.  However, wasn't she taken away from her parents at
a fairly young age (early puberty)?

Compulsive Comic Kid
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Accent Escalation
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:53:17 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>	Anyway, has anyone out there followed X-Men dialogue for awhile?
>I just picked up Uncanny 171, where Rogue joins the crew, and her 
>"Southern Belle" accent is barely noticeable.  Now she speaks like a Hee-Haw
>throwback (I'm gonna hate to hear her voice in the series...).

Rogue's accent depends not on her character, but on her caricature, and
varies in intensity with the writer in question (see this month's X-Men
Adventures for a truly thick slice). Claremont himself could overdo things
in the "Ah" department -- check out #185, where Rogue has an extended
dialogue with Ororo over stuff for an example. Compare that with her first
appearance in Avengers Annual #10, where the accent is far more implied than
stated.

Actually, I'm looking forward to hearing her voice on the series. It will,
at least, be someone with a real accent (they got an actual Southerner, I
hear), instead of some phonetic gibberish that's supposed to suggest a
southern accent. I, personally, would rather see her accent, Gambit's
accent, Pete's accent, and all the rest of the multi-cultural crew's various
accents, all dealt with by using regional slang and sayings from where
they're from, instead of silly cheaters like "Ah declahr!"

Of course, that would mean that the writers of UX and X-Men would have to do
research on speech patterns! I know Fabian is probably up to it, but
Lobdell?...

"Don't come around here no more..."
	--Tom Petty, with a Southern Accent

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
From: <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:06:54 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <8encsQG00aw_896ERg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Dizzy Murphy
<dm7z+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:

>Ok guys,
>        since we're all into the x-men (whichever book that might be) let's do
>a little survey.

>1)Who is the best leader of the x-men? (Cyclops, Storm, Cable, Havok, or
>Captain Britain)
>2) Which is the best team? (Blue team, Gold team, X-Force, X-Factor,
>X-Calibur)

Actually, I think that Nightcrawler is the leader of Excal these days...and I'm
not sure, but I think they might've retconned it so he was *always* leader, but
that he let CB run things for him.  Comments??

BTW...My votes go for Storm as best leader
                      X-Factor as funniest team >:-)
                      tie 'tween X-Cal and Blue Team for best team
From: v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: A word of thanks
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Thanks to all those who responded to my post on 'insults'.  I really 
appreciate to hear from people on my first post.  Also, thanks Peter for seeing
that maybe I should state things a little bit clearer (but, in my defemse it was
4:00 in the morning).  Well, thanks again and I'm sure to cause trouble again.
See ya.

					The Man (A Loyal Fan)
Keep the Faith readers of the 'Children of the Atom'
					-Fred @ UB
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From: dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099)
Subject: Re: Cable #2
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:35:30 GMT

Oops, sorry Rebecca i didn't mean to send that to you (i goofed
and pressed r instead of f)  but in case anyone else was wondering
i thought i'd repost here that Cable #2 has been delayed.  Like
i said, the last fax that i saw from the distributor said it was
T.B.A. (to be announced) but that was about a week ago, anyone have
any newer news about this?  

-Psycho


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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable != Nathan (?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:31:38 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

The following is a quote from the latest Wizard (#15), from the
Whilce Portacio interview, page 48:

Wizard:  Going back to the Marvel days of your career.  You were
involved in the making of X-Men #201 -- known as the potential
kick-off of the origin of Cable.
Portacio:  The last thing that I heard was that Nathan Summers
was definitely *not* Cable.  Originally, when I was working on
X-Factor, it was agreed universally that when we sent Nathan
Summers into the future [in X-Factor], that he would be Cable.
It was something that Jim [Lee], Carl [Alsteter, who helped with
plotting], and I were going to do, revealing later on that 
Nathan was Cable.  Later on, I guess after the rumors started
to circulate, everything became very hush-hush (at Marvel).  
After doing those X-Factor stories, I have no real idea what's
going to happen, since none of those characters are ours.

Okay, I know it's not definite.  But, hey, I'm so desperate to
find evidence that Cable isn't Nathan (I disbelieve, I disbelieve,
I disbelieve) that I'll use anything, even a source as potentially
unreliable as Wizard.  So go ahead, shoot it down.  I'll at
least have some last bit of renewed hope in my contention that
Cable isn't Nathan, and that's enough for now.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: wrighd2@aix.rpi.edu (Douglas Albert Wright)
Subject: faq?
Summary: want an faq or history of x-books
Keywords: faq? or history?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:20:48 GMT

I s there a FAQ file for .xbooks?  I stopped reading all the 
X-books when money became a constraint.  Therefore, I am totally lost.
Was there ever a history done on this group, that summarized what's happened
in say the last five or six years.
If there is could someone please post it. Or if someone feels ambitious
maybe write one?

Thanks,
Doug Wright
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Canonical X-Factor Dangling
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:21:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <ceo_kMq00UzxE4fY5R@andrew.cmu.edu> ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes:
>
>>12.  Whatever happened to Magneto's first daughter?  Magda or Anna (I forget
>>what she was called). He mentioned her only once back when Peitro and Wanda
>>were discovering their pasts.  It was speculated that Lorna Dane was Magneto's
>>daughter based on her powers, but this was suppoedly not true later.
>
>She died in a fire because Magnus was prevented from rescuing her (due
>to lack of control over his powers, I think) by some villagers in the
>Baltic country somewhere, perhaps Wungadore.  Speaking of Wungadore,
>didn't the King draw the first renditions of the High Evolutionary?
        ^^^^^^^^
Hmmm...  Obscure Trivia Lad was not aware that Elvis Presley ever
worked in comics.  Could someone please tell Obscure Trivia Lad
what issues of which titles Elvis did?

Obscure Trivia Lad, less alive than Elvis

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook