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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:05:24 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
> 
> Cheer up, Joel: you've created a thriving alt group.  If you want a wider
> audience, I suggest setting up a mailing list and gatewaying it to a.a.

I think that a mailing list is a very good idea.  I used it myself
for a list on Inflammatory Bowel Diseases.  I asked on sci.med if
it was worth trying something like this.  I felt that if it was going
to fly, the couple of postings to sci.med on the topic every couple
of weeks wasn't enough to justify an alt, much less a sci.med.*
newsgroup.

So, I started a mailing list and announced it in all the usual places.
After two years, it is up to about 100 names, which is pretty good, but
also proves the the topic is too narrow to support an entire newsgroup.

I suspect a.a is the same way: There are enough of us out here to make
it worthwhile keeping it around, but not enough to keep a newsgroup
going with daily postings.

As far as the compaint about reading newsgroups at will vs. cluttering
up a mailbox, I agree, which is why the IBDlist is in Digest form for
now.  It allows traffic to move, but doesn't put two gajillion mail
messages in everyone's mailbox (nor would I want to explode that
many for every incoming into mvac23!)  See below for how I handle
it.

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:06:12 GMT

In article <l935skINN94p@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.180141.10101@ornl.gov>, de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>|> 
>|> If you want a wider
>|> audience, I suggest setting up a mailing list and gatewaying it to a.a.
>
>Please no, with usenet I can easily keep track of (literally) a couple
>dozens of newsgroups, but to have that many mailing lists coming in ...

I didn't suggest *replacing* a.a with a mailing list--just augmenting it with a
gatewayed mailing list.  This would allow people without USENET access to
receive a.a articles as mail messages, and would post their messages to a.a.

>Let it stay an alt group for a while. Some of the most respectable newsgroups
>are alt.

Agreed.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
From: jfarmer@cs.utk.edu (JOHN FARMER)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Appalachian Poll Reply
Summary: I'm a native and I think I will stay
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:32:47 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department


In article <9208010445.AA08933@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
 >Listen up!  It's the alt.appalachian user poll!
 >
 >Please answer the following questions, and post your responses to the net
 >(don'T mail them to me, post them to alt.appalachian for all to read!):
 >
 >1) Where were you born and/or raised?  Outside Appalachia, or if you were born
 >and/or raised in Appalachia, where?

	I was born and raised in Clinton TN.  With my family deep into Anderson
	County and the Jellico and Lafayette areas (on the TN-KY border)
	(Coal mining country).  Lived for a while in 
	Nashville TN (Vanderbilt University).

 >2) Where are you presently living?  Outside Appalachia, or if you are
 >presently living in Appalachia, where?
	Knoxville, TN		(For anybody concerned Susan Farmer is my wife.)
				(Our son has alot of Appalachia in him!!)

 >3) What do you like best about the Appalachian region, either specific to one
 >location or generally?
	The mountains.  My family is here.  It's fun to visit others of 
	the world but I would always want to end up here.

 >4) What do you like least about the Appalachian region, either specific to one
 >location or generally?
	Sometimes it's hard to explain to others why I don't want to move 
	away since "Hi-tech" computer type jobs can be hard to come by.

 >I look forward to reading your responses.  Please be creative!
 >

-- 
John T. Farmer, Jr.					jfarmer@cs.utk.edu
Full-time Daddy, Part-time Grad Student,
Full-time wage slave, Wood butcher when I can.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: alt.appalachian charter
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:25:32 GMT

The purposes of alt.appalachian are:

1) discussion of Appalachian current events.
2) interest in increasing Appalachian awareness.
3) sharing of info, stories, local color, history from various parts of
      Appalachia.
4) furthering Appalachian "patriotism".
5) discussion of research done on Appalachian culture, society, economy,
      education, etc.
6) sharing Appalachian folklore (moonshining, stock-car racing,
      snake-handling, feuding, coal mining, ginseng-hunting, etc.)
7) discussion of those crafts indigineous to the region, such as quilting,
      pottery, carving, basketry, etc.
8) discussion of Appalachian music, dancing, performing arts, etc.  (dulcimer,
      folk dancing, the Galax Old Fiddler's Convention, etc. etc.)
9) exchanging information about recreation opportunities in Appalachia, such
      as information about local trails, the Blue Ridge Parkway, wild and
      scenic rivers, the Great Smoky Mountains, the Appalachian Trail, etc.
      etc.

Please post to this group on any or all of the above subjects.  If you have
other subjects which you feel should be included as part of this group's
charter, please send them to jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu.  

Please tell your friends about this group and encourage them to post as well.

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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:36:36 GMT
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Aug18.180141.10101@ornl.gov>, de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
|> 
|> If you want a wider
|> audience, I suggest setting up a mailing list and gatewaying it to a.a.

Please no, with usenet I can easily keep track of (literally) a couple
dozens of newsgroups, but to have that many mailing lists coming in ...

Let it stay an alt group for a while. Some of the most respectable newsgroups
are alt.

|> Dave Sill

Victor.
From: rcj@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (R.C. Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Weather in December
Keywords: weather mountains smokeys
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:55:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron, La Habra, CA

What is the weather like in north western North Carolina in December/Jan?

Will we be able to travel thru the smokies?

I have read stories of trudging thru snow drifts etc..

We are planning a trip after Christmas but don't want to find
that we can't get around. I have a Ford Ranger two wheel drive (rear)
and chains. Can I expect to have to use chains?

Thanks for any and all reply's.

Lookin for a place to settle.
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From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:01:41 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

In article <9208181523.AA03473@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>, FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu writes:
>The results of the CFV on soc.culture.usa.appalachian were that the proposed
>newsgroup failed to get enough votes.  It was 104 yes, 44 no.

The proposal flat out failed.  148 is enough to create a new group.  The problem
was that there were too many NO votes.  The guidelines require 100 more YES votes
than NO votes, and at least 2/3 of all votes must be YES votes.  This proposal
failed on the first count, and barely passed on the second.

>My thanks to those who voted yes, and to those who voted no, I'm sure you had
>your reasons.  Waah.

Cheer up, Joel: you've created a thriving alt group.  If you want a wider
audience, I suggest setting up a mailing list and gatewaying it to a.a.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian request list
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:31:10 -0500

Regarding the alt.appalachian request list:

I can tell you a little about life at 2 universities in the area described
(central PA mountains & eastern Tennessee mountains).

PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY

The campus is pretty much a human zoo of people types found in PA.  There 
are city folks from Pittsburgh & Philadelphia as well as rural farm folks
from the center of the state.  The surrounding area was (while I was there,
anyway) pretty much rural and it was fairly easy to find native music and 
crafts.  At that time (early '80's) it was de rigueur to listen to WGMR,
"Good Mountain Radio," especially at night while Big Gene was on the air.
His copy of Jim Stafford's "Wildwood Weed" skipped so badly that the song
was over in about 30 seconds.  Every night, somebody would call in and request
to hear this record.  He'd play it every night, too.  Sometimes he'd fall
asleep on the air.

UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE

It was a little easier to find native music in Knoxville, as well as people
who were into clogging and such.  There was a Ramp Festival not far from 
the city.  Overall, it was easier to find appalachian music in this city
(but maybe that was just an artifact of my age and interest).  There was
a lot more tacky advertising for tourist trap sites, mainly due to the
proximity of Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge.  I remember quite well when 
Silver Dollar City became Dollywood.  This was truly a depressing time 
for many east Tennessee residents (or perhaps I exagerate).  There was an
ad on the radio for some cheap-jack immitation Hawaiian show "an island in 
the Smokies."  Real schlock.  There was a lot of interest in a group of people
known as Melungeons, a secretive clan who lived up in the mountains, allegedly
darker skinned than other people in the area and speaking their own sort of
dialect.  I never got much solid information about these people, and anyway,
it was said that they were pretty much assimilated into the general population
after World War I.

I guess I haven't said all that much about the universities themselves, but
they're just what you'd expect from two large, state land-grant universities:
a real cross section of the state's population, just about any kind of 
people, music and other stuff that you could want, if you look for it.   
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Subject: Re: Hello out there
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:00:14 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Aug15.060501.13607@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY) writes:
>This newsgroups seems a little dead right now.
>
>I wonder how many people on the newsgroup is familiar with the naming
>of the Summersville dam in WV. It is a policy of the government to name
>dams after the nearest town whether or not that town is incorporated. An
>example is the Hoover dam which, on federal reports, is listed as the Boulder dam. There is one major exception to this policy. That is the Summersville dam.
>Summersville is actually about 10 miles away. The nearest town is called Gad.
>I guess they didn't want a bunch of people asking where the Gad dam was.
>
>Charles Buckley
>
>
I thought that they flooded the town of Gad when they filled up the valley to make the lake.  It is
a great lake.  I used to go skiing there when I was in college.
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Hello out there
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:08:16 GMT
	<1992Aug15.060501.13607@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
	<17AUG199209080601@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
In-reply-to: afallen@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov's message of 17 Aug 92 14:08:00 GMT

> but I thought that Gad was near the Bluestone dam 

I've always heard the story told about Summersville myself.
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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Subject: alt.appalachian
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:21:12 GMT

The results of the CFV on soc.culture.usa.appalachian were that the proposed
newsgroup failed to get enough votes.  It was 104 yes, 44 no.  The results
will officially be posted by David Lawrence when he has time.

My thanks to those who voted yes, and to those who voted no, I'm sure you had
your reasons.  Waah.

Anyway, the fall semesters should shortly be starting up in Appalachia at
our many fine colleges and universities and I hope to see this newsgroup
prosper.  Please chip in!  What would you like to talk about?

P.S. If we wait six months, we can try again on getting a mainstream newsgroup.
Not that we necessarily WILL, but for those of you who're wondering what the
rules are, we've got to wait at least six months.
From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Hello out there
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:05:01 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

This newsgroups seems a little dead right now.

I wonder how many people on the newsgroup is familiar with the naming
of the Summersville dam in WV. It is a policy of the government to name
dams after the nearest town whether or not that town is incorporated. An
example is the Hoover dam which, on federal reports, is listed as the Boulder dam. There is one major exception to this policy. That is the Summersville dam.
Summersville is actually about 10 miles away. The nearest town is called Gad.
I guess they didn't want a bunch of people asking where the Gad dam was.

Charles Buckley
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
Subject: Re: Boston Globe re. inliners
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:17:50 GMT
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO

In article <1992Aug19.202646.12811@athena.mit.edu> byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller) writes:
>In article <34488@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>>
>>All I can say is don't blame the yuppies in-liners (stereotyping dude?)
>
>Yeah, because it's warranted.  I see no problem with stereotyping when a)
>it's an easily observable one and b) it's purposely reinforced by the group
>itself.  $400 skates and $300 of neon safety gear to skate for fifteen
>minutes of exercise on one's lunch hour?

What does "purposely reinforced by the group itself" mean? How is it that one
would know when a particular group is purposely reienforcing something?

Given that there aren't any mainstream skates selling for anywhere near $400
and safety gear doesn't cost $300 and the majority of skaters typically skate
for at least an hour, I don't think that you've described something easily
observable in a majority of skaters.

American Heritage defines a stereotype as a conventional, formulatic, and
usually oversimplified conception, opinion, or belief. The way you have
described in-line skating is a stereotype.

>>There may be some lesson to be learned, but as long as long as a big part
>>of the skating boarding scene ties in the element of adolescent rebellion
>>older skaters are going to suffer the side effects of the repression aimed
>>at the kids.
>
>	Skating has always been an outlaw lifestyle and always will
>be.  I wouldn't WANT to change that.  What I DO want to accomplish is
>to keep it LEGAL.  That's about it, really.

Understood.

Given that we all form stereotypes and that stereotypes are a typically a
simplification of the truth, the public puts the concept outlaw activity into
the box called illegal activity. It's an unfair and stupid thing to do, but
that's what's happened. I know I've done this myself; that's how I usually
justify excluding skateboarding from my efforts to have skating be recognized
by society as a legitimate activity/sport/mode of transportation.

>			--Halloween Jack, thankful for the end of the 
>					  four-day rain

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: steve@ecf.toronto.edu (Steve Kotsopoulos)
Subject: Re: big pads available? Rector LARGE doesn't fit!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:20:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.214303.2775@uc.msc.edu> eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) writes:
>
>I bought a Pro-Tec helmet, rector protector elbow pads, and
>rector fat boys knee pads.  All of these were size LARGE,
>the largest size available from CALIFORNIA CHEAP SKATE/SURF.
>
>The helmet and elbow pads fit, but snugly.

I'm sure that Fat Boys knee pads are available in XL (that's what I use),
and I would expect the elbow pads and helmet are too.
Maybe you should try another skate shop?

>Also, I have been having pain in my elbows and knees, which, since
>I haven't had any falls on these areas of any magnitude whatsoever,
>I attribute to the pads being too tight.

Yup, especially when you bend your knees to pop ollies or pump trannies.

>First of all, does anyone know where I can get larger elbow pads and
>knee pads (and help too, if possible).  Rector would be nice, as I
>like their design, especially the wrap around knee pad, but comfort,
>medical soundness vis a vis not restricting circulation and providing
>necessary protection are my main priorities.

If there aren't any other skate shops in your area, you could try one of
the mail-order distributors that advertise in Thrasher and TransWorld.

>I am 6'5" and 220 pounds (196 cm and 100 Kg for your international
>skaters).  What are other skaters my size or larger (it's possible!)
>wearing?  Should I be looking to Rollerblade companies for more
>'adult' sized pads?  What are 'professional' skateboarders wearing?

If you mostly street-skate, the Rollarblade pads might be good enough,
but if you ride ramps a lot they won't provide enough padding.

There are lots of different companies making knee pads these days, 
but since most street skaters do not buy safety equipment, very few
skate shops carry a large selection. You would probably have better
luck at a skatepark, maybe you could buy a pair of used pads from
one of the local skaters (sponsored amateurs are always selling 
equipment for beer money, a least my buddies are  :-)

Good Luck
-- 
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Systems Analyst                     bitnet: steve@ecf.UTORONTO.BITNET
Engineering Computing Facility      uucp:   uunet!utai!ecf!steve
University of Toronto               phone:  (416) 978-5898
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: joshr@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Joshua Rabinowitz-Summer-91)
Subject: Re: Boston Globe re. inliners
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:31:09 GMT

why don't you guys just go out and have a skate session?
writing about skating over the internet is dumb ( ;-}



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Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe)
Subject: Re: It Had To Happen
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.164104.3501@athena.mit.edu> byron@athena.mit.edu (Jack Miller) writes:
>From Juggle this morning...
>
>>News Flash:
>>
>>Professor Gene Brown of 7.05 General Biochemistry fame just told me that
>>Bill (?) Dixon Veep of MIT, wants a concrete ban on skateboarding and
>>rollerblading indoors at MIT.
>>
>>Prof. Brown also told me that he was nearly flattened by a ROLLERBLADER
>>barreling down the hall and not looking where he was going.
>
>	Well, guess we're gonna have to MOVE on this...  We'll keep
>y'all posted as to how it all turns out.
>
>			--Halloween Jack, we have not yet begun to
>					  fight (literally)
>


> wants a concrete ban on skateboarding and
>rollerblading indoors at MIT
               ^^^^^^^
So, does MIT have enough indoor space to skate???
-- 
>Frank Giraffe- fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,ucbvax}!well!fgiraffe
>As the noose of narco-militarism tightens 'round our necks, we worry about
>  burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs.  -- Jello Biafra
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board
From: fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe)
Subject: Re: Kendall area
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:24:59 GMT



>Okay ONE MORE question. Last one, I promise! Why isn't this newsgroup
>busier? I know there are a lot of skaters out there--are we missing
>skaters who are plugging into alt.skate or rec.skate?

Given the number of skaters, and given the fraction of skaters who probably
read net news on a regular basis, I'm not surprised there are so many posts
here. Plus, would you rather skate or post news about skating? ;-)
-Frank
-- 
>Frank Giraffe- fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,ucbvax}!well!fgiraffe
>As the noose of narco-militarism tightens 'round our necks, we worry about
>  burning flags and pee in jars at work to keep our jobs.  -- Jello Biafra
Newsgroups: alt.skate-board