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From: stever@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au (Steven Rossetti)
Subject: Re: Fun at home - exploding soap bubbles. 
Summary: Similar story....
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, JCUNQ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:02:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.203017.7334@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:

>Last night (inspired by a recent posting in this newsgroup) we 
>made soap bubbles filled with Hydrogen and Oxygen. My son had
>fun igniting them with a match and hearing them all POP!
.
etc etc etc....
.
>Have fun out there and be careful....

>Joe
>joec@morgan.com

I may be repeating something previously posted, but when I was in high school
we performed a similar exercise using a plastic bowl filled with soapy 
water, and instead of using hydrogen-oxygen, we got our hands on an oxygen-
acetylene kit from the manual arts department. Ignition was done using a 
jury-rigged barbecue lighter (piezo) from a safe distance (~10m) as the 
explosion is VERY loud, all that remains is a soapy puddle and shredded 
plastic everywhere.

 


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From: kjurena@lonestar.utsa.edu (Keith R. Jurena)
Subject: Re: soap- vs. polystyrene- "Napalm" -- GP
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:47:58 GMT

I thought napalm meant Sodium Palmitate(sp)  Get it? Na-Palm?
Anyhow, Ive made Na palm from palm kernel oil and sodium hydroxide.  Easy sapon
ification with glycerol as a by-prod.  I dehydrated it andf added it to gasolin
e, stirring it with a magnetic stir bar for 3+ hours.  When I returned, it had
almost solidified.  Napalm just burns like gas.  Those nice bombs had a burstin
g charge and some sort of ignition.  Think for a moment if liquid gasoline was
employed.    Does FAE ring a bell(or an ear ;-?)   Yes, it would be a nice
fuel-air explosive.  A fuel air explosive is ineffective near the ground, esp
for people residing on said surface.

Get off the napalm fantasy.  It is pyrotechnically useless.
From: pyro@gu.uwa.edu.au (Jay)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Blacklisted books
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:55:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au
Summary: Plea for help from the supressed.
Keywords: books blacklisted pyrophile help


 This is a plea for help to those in lands less oppressed than my own in  
 respect to terrorism, ie. scaring the neighbours with fun stuff colloquially
 known as Bangshit amongst the Bombsquad(a small resistance group intent on
 making our own fun with readily available chemicals.)

 It is a sad but true state in which those more enlightening texts are
 restricted, eg:
                The Poor Mans James Bond,
		The Anarchists Cookbook.

 In the happy land of Oz these books are blacklisted and therefore hard
 to procure. I have seen a copy of Poor Mans JB original edition but I
 believe it has been updated.

 Can anyone recommend any books of like standing and more importantly would
 they like to buy them and send them to me. Naturally enough full reparation
 would be forthcoming with possibly a finders fee thrown in for good 
 measure.

 Yours in bonding of the fire god,

 Pyrophile.
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From: firebird@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (larry rosen)
Subject: Re: RDX
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:33:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.212112.18941@netcom.com>, obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) writes:
> 
> Please excuse my ignorance, but I had understood hexamethyltetramine to be
> the substance I buy for my dry-fuel campstove, or "Esbit Cooker".  I haven't
> kit from Edmund Scientific.

deleted...

> This stuff isn't very "pyrotechnic" by most people's standards.  If it's
> not hexamethyltetramine, does any one know what it *is*?

It is just plain Hexamine.

> I haven't been a regular reader of this group, but I'll watch for a while 
> to see if anyone's familiar with this stuff.  If it *is* a form of the
> chemical described above, would it be a useful 'raw' material?
> 
> 	Bob

HMTD can be made from it.
From: hook@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jim"BITTER"Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:32:25 GMT


	I was wondering if this is urban legend or not...Is it true that
mixing Tide laundry detergent and Gasoline produces a napalm like substance?
I heard this while in Organic Chemistry, but was never certain if it was true
or not. No I never had the balls to find out because I figured I'd want to
dispose of the excess material in a safe way and place.

		Jim
		hook@mcl.ucsb.edu

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From: ahahma@polaris.utu.fi (Arno Hahma)
Subject: Re: soap- vs. polystyrene- "Napalm" -- GP
Organization: University of Turku
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:55:05 GMT

In article <C0q174.9n2@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee) writes:

>surprised that no one has suggested putting white phosphorus into the gel
>so that those deservingly napalmed individuals can't expect to jump in a 
>lake to put the napalm out. Well they can put it out, but if they get out
>of the water, it will reignite. I wonder if the thoughtfull individual 

That has been done. It is called super-napalm. Then there is
still another form of it: one that contains sodium chips. Think about
how nasty that is, if you jump into a lake.

>Mark.

ArNO
    2

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:07:30 -0500 
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: plastic soda bottles are great containers

This idea has crossed my mind as well. I figured it would be nice to use
black powder, but I worried about the heat. The insides of the bottle
could be coated with something, though. KAYRO (tm) syrup or parafin came
to mind, though the latter might start a fire. The powder would have to
be wrapped, of course. 

I never tried this because I'm not into pyro anymore.
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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Teflon
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:28:57 GMT


	To follow up on the burning of Teflon to toxic products: Teflon
	begins thermal decomposition at about 490 C (914 F) and decomposes
	to the toxic products octafluorocyclobutane and isobutylene
	fluoride (perfluoroisobutylene) only at >515 C (949 F).  The smoke
	generated also contains a number of highly toxic breakdown products.

	I found the following reference:


 Thermodegradation of polytetrafluorethylene in the atmosphere and
 other environments.  Toxicity of the degradation products

  Molero Meneses, Mariano; Moreno Beltran, Domingo; Grau Rios, Mario

  Libro Actas - Congr. Nac. Med., Hig. Segur. Trab., 9th, Meeting Date
  1980, Volume 2, 461-79.  Serv. Soc. Hig. Segur. Trab.: Madrid, Spain.
  (Publication date 1981)


	Alec Chambers
From: met@ghost.cse.nau.edu (Millam Tackitt)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:32:51 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

What might be the proper proportions to use for this. If I had say
11 gallons of gasoline how many ounces/cups of soap granuals would
be required to bring said gasoline to a thick gelled state?

Millam
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From: creutz@cco.caltech.edu (Michael John Creutz)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: plastic soda bottles are great containers
Summary: Noisy but fairly safe bombs
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:10:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

Motivated by the DIB discussion, I tried putting about 5 tbsp.
of shotgun powder in a one liter plastic soda bottle and lit
it with a bit of cannon fuse through a hole punched in the lid.
I suspended the bottle upside down so the powder was next to 
the fuse in the lid.

Thor would have been proud of the noise it made!

This also works well with crude homemade KNO_3 black powder,
but is not quite as loud because the heat melts the bottle
before the pressure is quite as high.  Still very impressive.

Anyway, these bombs are very easy and fast to make and presumably much
safer than my old playing with sulfur containing flash powders.
Mike
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From: fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Mark Fernee)
Subject: Flash compositions
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:57:59 GMT

Having read with interest various posts on effective flash compositions,
either with or withour sulfur, I would like to add the following empirical
observations; Making flash compositions with Al powder and KClO4 and/or 
KMnO4 I have ascertained that stochiometry is not critical. The ingredients
can be mixed empirically (remembering no incorporation or grinding) and
give more than satisfactory results. I have found such powders need
very little confinement to give an extremely loud report (and a bright
flash). A stip of paper cut from a sheet of A4 and wound around a pen
(say 4-5 layers thick) and crimped at one end, is then filled with the 
loose flash composition and crimped at the other end (by rolling the paper 
over). A sparkler can then be pushed through one end to act as a fuse.
These simple flash crackers were a great success at New Years day being
extremely loud and bright (rivaling PETN based noise makers that I
have seen (based on 1-2 gm PETN)). Furthermore a 35mm film canister
of such a flash mixture will detonate with a sound resembling a high 
explosive in both volume and pitch -- I was very surprised. 

disclaimer: Fash is dangerous, I would not recommend someone attempt what
I have described.

Mark.

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Blacklisted books
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:45:32 GMT

pyro@gu.uwa.edu.au (Jay) writes:
: 
:  This is a plea for help to those in lands less oppressed than my own in  
:  respect to terrorism, ie. scaring the neighbours with fun stuff colloquially
:  known as Bangshit amongst the Bombsquad(a small resistance group intent on
:  making our own fun with readily available chemicals.)

Almost all countries are opposed to terrorism - so are just about all the
people who post here.

It is people who want to "scare their neighbors", who caused the problems in
your country (as well as others) in the first place.

:  It is a sad but true state in which those more enlightening texts are
:  restricted, eg:
:                 The Poor Mans James Bond,
: 		The Anarchists Cookbook.
: 
:  In the happy land of Oz these books are blacklisted and therefore hard
:  to procure. I have seen a copy of Poor Mans JB original edition but I
:  believe it has been updated.

The Anarchist Cookbook is not worth owning. It is full of incomplete,   
misleading and incorrect information. I would not trust anything that
was written there without confirmation from an independent source.

PMJB (All 4 volumes or so) are little better. Much of the information is  
accurate, though sadly out of date. As with the rest of such books, much
of the modern stuff is incomplete or incorrect. Some of the information
comes from "field expedient" manuals - these assume that casualties/deaths
are an acceptable part of making and using the materials.

:  Can anyone recommend any books of like standing and more importantly would
:  they like to buy them and send them to me. Naturally enough full reparation
:  would be forthcoming with possibly a finders fee thrown in for good 
:  measure.

I would not recommend any of them. 

:  Yours in bonding of the fire god,

What does the fire god have to do with terrorism and explosives?

Bill
From: khartman@fnala.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:24:39 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnala.fnal.gov

In article <hook.726273145@mcl>, hook@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jim"BITTER"Goldstein) writes:
> 
> 	I was wondering if this is urban legend or not...Is it true that
> mixing Tide laundry detergent and Gasoline produces a napalm like substance?
> I heard this while in Organic Chemistry, but was never certain if it was true
> or not. No I never had the balls to find out because I figured I'd want to
> dispose of the excess material in a safe way and place.


	I have heard that mixing gasoline and Ivory (tm) *soap* would
produce a napalm-like substance.  This makes some sense to me, since real
napalm contains Napthenic and Palmitic Acids.  Soap contains Sodium 
Palmitate, which is a salt of Palmitic Acid.  I have never tried this,
but it might work.
 

> 		Jim
> 		hook@mcl.ucsb.edu

	
Ken 
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From: rduta@nyx.cs.du.edu (Radu)
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:42:58 GMT

For the preparation of napalm you can't use any liquid detergents since 
they are water based.  You are going to have to do it the hard way.

As for powdering the soap there are easier ways, just use your imagination

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From: kremser@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (steffen kremser)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: soap- vs. polystyrene- "Napalm"
Followup-To: rec.pyrotechnics
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:26:13 GMT
Organization: The Individual (TM)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp1.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

Although both mixtures could burn quite spectacular,

 there is quite a difference.

* FUEL (organic solvent) + (shitloads of) POLYSYRENE foam yields
  a PS-in-whatever *SOLUTION*, which is still a liquid.
  with less solvent (or due to evaporation), the stuff
  gets syrup-like and/or the surface hardens. 

  
* FUEL (gas,petrol) + SOAP yields an *EMULSION*
  of tiny fuel drops, or kind of a fuel-filled foam. 

==== THEORY-MODE ON =======
  Basically, soap is supposed to dilute (organic) dirt particles in water,
  using molecules with one 'organic-liking' and one 'water-liking' end.
      
                         *          
              H H H H    *  O      
              | | | |    * //     
            H-C-C-C-C-...-C        
              | | | |    * \          
              H H H H    *  xxxx      
                         *            
      organic - liking   *  water-liking          

  These populate the entire water-dirt border,
  - surrounding each organic particle with a water-liking coating
  - breaking down large particles into smaller ones in order to
    increase the border surface.

                        .
                        .
                   HCCCC*xxx 
                   HCCCC*xxx 
          organic  HCCCC*xxx  water
                   HCCCC*xxx 
                   HCCCC*xxx 
                        . 
                        .
 
    This emulgating effect even works without water, producing soap-wrapped
  fuel droplets emulgated in the remaining fuel, or with enough soap and 
  stirring, a sticky, foam-like mass of gellified fuel. 
==== THEORY-MODE OFF ========

  Terefore, in a soap-and-fuel approach, 

  - solid soap has to be grinded (flakes, powder) to allow easy dispersion
  - liqid soap should be fine (even if *moderately* water-based)
  - to avoid "sweating out", stabilizing additives could be used.
    (the same stuff as used for home-made cosmetics.) 

Happy Flaming 


P.S. Has anybody thought about the likes of "bengalic naplam"
     (sodium-free soap, a 'blueish-burning' solvent, strontium salts)

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From: Andrew.Brooks@launchpad.unc.edu (Andrew Brooks)
Subject: Re: Colored flames (Was: Re: Napalm...)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:03:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.191753.19520@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>Andrew.Brooks@launchpad.unc.edu (Andrew Brooks) writes:
>: >
>: >Yes. I have made blue, red, yellow and green movie explosions with a
>: >blueish-burning solvent and appropriate salts. Any solvent with more
>: >than 25..30 % of oxygen and a moderate flammability should do well.
>: >If burned slowly, the colors still appear well - so "bengalic napalm"
>: >might be possible. Another problem is, how to thicken various
>: >solvents, soap is not going to work for all.
>: 
>: 
>: I seem to remember Mark mentioning that PVC is commonly used for this
>: in the movies.
>
>PVC is used as a chlorine donor - to deepen the intensity of the color.

Yeah, that's what I meant - I didn't notice the bit about thickening
it until afterwards, and it wouldn't cancel.  A good demonstration
that one shouldn't try to do things in a hurry, I suppose.  Thanks,
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From: harris@scorch.apana.org.au (Michael Brown)
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:47:06 GMT

       Disolving  polystyrene  foam  in  petrol  forms  a  very   good
       substitute  for  napalm  .  I  used  to make tonnes of it in my
       youth.  Though  you  do  need  a  lot  of foam to make a decent
       quantity.

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From: mwcallah%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Michael Callahan)
Subject: Re: 4th of July left overs
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:59:24 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


   I think perhaps you should start shopping for pyro somewhere else.
$140 is a bit steep for what you bought.  In fact, it's really steep.

  Mike
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From: bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck)
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Originator: bmb1021@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:05:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.162439.1@fnala.fnal.gov> khartman@fnala.fnal.gov writes:
>In article <hook.726273145@mcl>, hook@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jim"BITTER"Goldstein) writes:
>> 
>> 	I was wondering if this is urban legend or not...Is it true that
>> mixing Tide laundry detergent and Gasoline produces a napalm like substance?
>> I heard this while in Organic Chemistry, but was never certain if it
>> was true or not. No I never had the balls to find out because I
>> figured I'd want to dispose of the excess material in a safe way and
>> place. 
>
>
>	I have heard that mixing gasoline and Ivory (tm) *soap* would
>produce a napalm-like substance.  This makes some sense to me, since real
>napalm contains Napthenic and Palmitic Acids.  Soap contains Sodium 
>Palmitate, which is a salt of Palmitic Acid.  I have never tried this,
>but it might work.
> 
From this, I suppose that Ivory Soap, gasoline, and moth balls (moth
flakes?  I can't keep them straight.  Moth balls are made from
napthalene, right?) could be combined to make a better approximation of
Napalm.

I have made a Napalm-like substance from styrofoam and gasoline.  It
worked fairly well.  Not having played with real Napalm, I don't know
how well it emulated the Real Thing (tm), though.

>
>> 		Jim
>> 		hook@mcl.ucsb.edu
>
>	
>Ken 


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From: brech@vision.ethz.ch (Christian Brechbuehler)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: flash recipes
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:08:46 GMT
Organization: Institute for Communication Technology, ETH Zuerich

In article <1436@pdxvme.pdx.csd.mot.com>, brian@pdx.csd.mot.com 
(Brian Vandewettering) writes:
|> After getting some practice at building casings as per the 'gopher files',
|> I'm ready to fill them with flash and cap them (carefully of course).
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^
Remember that 50mg (!) is the maximum legal amount in a USA flash
cracker.  Take it as a hint to the scale you might want to start at.

|> I'm curious about the different flash recipes I've seen.  Some
|> suggest only Aluminum Powder with Potassium Perchlorate, while others (*)
|> suggest adding sulfur flour.  The gopher file suggests 1 part aluminum 
|> powder with 3 parts perchlorate.  Is this by weight or volume? 
|> 
|> * Sarlucci - "The Firecracker & Aerial Flash: Salute Manual"

Both work.  To discuss the ratio, take the idealized formula:

      3 KClO  + 8 Al => 4 Al O + 3 KCl
            4               2 3

Stoichiometry says 415.647g of KClO4 react with 215.852g of Al.  This
corresponds to a _mass_ ratio of 65.8% to 34.2%.  At the conditions 
of the reaction (very high temperature), not everything behaves as 
theory says; someone said you don't reach equilibrium.  Experienced 
pyrotechnicians have suggested a ratio of 70% to 30%.  This seems to
be an empirical result.

According to Shimizu, you get the loudest noise from a composition of
64% KClO4, 23% Al, 13% S (by mass).  Note that a mixture containing
sulfur is considerably more sensitive to friction, heat and probably
to shock.  Therefore it is more dangerous.

I've set off both mixtures (a) with a match, (b) by hitting them with
a hammer, and (c) by friction between porcelain (china) surfaces.

Conclusions:
Flash is dangerous.  Use only minute amounts!

	Christian Brechbuehler
	
	Communication Technology Lab, Image Science Group
	Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Zurich, Switzerland
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Tide and Gasoline=Napalm lik compound?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 16:17:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

ad494@yfn.ysu.edu (Chris Koknat) writes:

> 
> If you want soap flakes, you can buy them at some places ( I've seen 
> them but I dont remenber where), or use a cheese grater on the 
> soap.  
> 
> Happy Detonating!


	Ivory laundry detergent is actually soap. If you look at
laundry detergent boxes, they say in the bottom right corner
either "detergent" or "soap" (at least that's how things are
done here in Canada.) 


	The best soap I've found for Napalm is "Irish Spring".
Napalm and Tear-gas in one!



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