HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Disappearing command line arguments
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:20:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Laboratories

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:27:50 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.162750.16114@scubed.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug27.035954.16698@scubed.com>, stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens) writes:
|>   XtInitialize (and variants) removes all Xt command line arguments
|> from the command line list argv and reduces argc accordingly.  However,
|> it also removes a "-d" flag, and sometimes removes a "-t" flag.  "-d"
|> appears to be equivalent to "-display".  These are not documented toolkit 
|> options, and I can't find any reference to them in the X source code.
|> 
|>   Is this a bug or a feature?  Where and why are these arguments removed?
|> Are there any other undocumented flags extracted by the X initialization
|> routines?  Why is "-t" removed sometimes and sometimes not?  This is causing 
|> problems, since we use "-t" for another purpose.

Thanks to the people who responded so quickly to the above question.  I had
not realized that any unique abbreviation of an option flag would be interpreted
as the option flag.  This seems like a dangerous feature, since it means that
if the command line is parsed by the application other than by the resource
manager, application flags must be distinct not only from the standard toolkit
flags, but also from any unique abbreviation of these flags or any application
supplied flags.  The only safe solution to this problem is to explicitly 
reference each flag in the application defined options table.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Stevens	stevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov
From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Disappearing command line arguments
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:27:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9208271416.AA25619@excess.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:16:42 EDT


>   XtInitialize (and variants) removes all Xt command line arguments
> from the command line list argv and reduces argc accordingly.  However,
> it also removes a "-d" flag, and sometimes removes a "-t" flag.  "-d"
> appears to be equivalent to "-display".  These are not documented toolkit 
> options [...]

The standard Xt command line options and the mechanism for specifying
application-specific command line options are documented in the Xt
specification, under the section titled "Parsing the Command Line".
Read it.
From: grp@unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: OPEN INTERFACE ?
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:39:07 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

Date: 28 Aug 92 15:22:35 GMT
Message-Id: <w23egx6@Unify.Com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x

In article <matt.714948978@centerline.com>, matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
> 
> In <914ep5z@Unify.Com> grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello) writes:
> >I actually looked at Solbourne's OI about two years ago when it was in beta.  
> >It was quite impressive, but we decided to go with an intrinsics based toolkit
> >instead, mainly because the company was new at this GUI stuff. 
> 
> But neither OIT nor Galaxy *is* and instrinsics-based toolkit!  Like 
> OI , they both reimplement the X11 gui styles on top of Xlib.  I'm not 
> sure what they do on other platforms.
> 
> Or did you mean that you changed your minds about the requirement 
> for an intrinsics-based toolkit?

No.  For out last project, we looked at OI (Solbourne).  We decided instead
to take an intrinisix based approach, and implemented out software with
widgets.  Our latest project, currently in development, uses Galaxy instead.
We learned from our last mistake :-)

Galaxy has been a boon to us.  Our productivity using Galaxy has *soared* 
above our productivity using OLIT/Motif.  And, we can run on Windows!

-- 

--
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Unify Corporation	   or			Sometimes you're the bug.
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From: peyton@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: WANTED: X-YACC
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:30:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9208171627.AA12075@itd.nrl.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:27:01 -0400

I'm looking for a program that reads yacc input and displays the grammar
rules as a graph under OpenWindows.
From: fwp@cc.msstate.edu (Frank Peters)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:34:38 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:23:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.002325.26514@ra.msstate.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <YANDROS.92Aug30173448@j-g-ballard.MIT.EDU> yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown) says:
: 
:   From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
: > I think the difference is that the OPEN LOOK UI was designed.  Very
: > carefully.  By people with experience.  And _then_ implemented.  Motif
: > was implemented without any real specification, as I understand it,
: > and it shows.
: 
: Not that I'm registering a preference but it's my understanding that
: the Motif UI was designed pretty carefully to comply with things like
: IBM's CUA, etc.

But how was IBM's CUA designed?  It has always been my subjective
impression (I have no 'evidence' to back it up) that Open Look was
designed to be used and Motif was designed to look like another,
existing interface.

: Personally, I despise OpenLook, just by taste, and find Motif to be
: too underpowered, overburdened, and undercustomizable to be useable on
: a real machine (maybe my desktop Alpha-connection machine will solve
: this ;-).  NeXTStep is very pretty, and has a nice fel, but isn't
: customizable enough; and System 7 is similar.  Never used NeWS.  All
: in all, I have to agree with you here:

NeXT Step is nice.  So is pre system 7 Mac interface (but, of course,
there were those lawsuits).  OpenLook is okay.  Motif is horrid...a lot
of chrome and it STILL doesn't seem intuitive...which is what I thought
the chrome was supposed to buy you.

Neither chrome nor customizability is important to me.  Consistency and
predictability matter more.

I think that we all agree that there is a lot of work left to be done.
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
From: gt0963d@prism.gatech.edu (Deeptendu Majumder)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Multi page TGIF ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:17:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Dream Chasers Syndicate

Date: 17 Aug 92 14:05:29 GMT
Message-Id: <66192@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug12.072052.19122@cs.ucla.edu> william@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (William Cheng) writes:
>In article <65509@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder) writes:
>>Has anybody extended TGIF to handle multiple pages of drawings ?
>>I use TGIF to make quite complex diagrams that are very hard to
>>fit into a single page. I would appreciate any help.
>
>I don't know if such an extension for tgif exists.  What I often do
>is to use the 'teleport' facility in tgif.  It gives you some basic
>hyper-text capability to move between files.  What you can do is to

I have tried this in past and did not find it to be a very efficient
and helpful way to get around the problem. I end up running 2, 3 
copies of TGIF at the same time. Are there some legality issues involved
in making TGIF multipage ? To me a multipage capabilty would be 
one of the basic capabilties of any good drawing package and with all
the other things that TGIF does I do not see the reason behind the
reluctance of making it multipage..Unless the programming effort
is beyond what can be put in or some copyright infringement problems.

I am just putting forward my views as a 'HEAVY DUTY' user of the
package. And I have discussed this need with you once or twice last
year. I guess when something is good we expect more and more of 
it..:-)

thanks
d.

-- 
------
"Like a harsh neon streaking  through the velvet darkness 
the whetted knife of Life tore its path through her Dreams"
From: noname@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (  )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Special characters display in xterm?
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:44:45 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:04:31 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.150431.3936@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


  
In O'Reilly book Volume III, Appendix B, there are several tables
showing some special fonts, with the title "Encoding: ....".
  
Does anybody know how to display those characters (sybmols) in xterm?
  
Kevin Feng, ckf@hover.att.com
From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:10:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Human Communication Research Center

Date: 31 Aug 92 20:14:10 GMT
Message-Id: <RJC.92Aug31211410@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug31.094759.11659@walter.cray.com>, Thomas Arneberg (ta) writes:

ta> You can argue about how it was FOR YOU, but all I have to go on is the
ta> people I have worked with. I have helped dozens of people learn the Mac;
ta> many of them had tried and failed to be productive with IBM clones. 

This is somewhat like saying that balancing on one hand is easy
because you have known some people who have managed it after trying
for ages to stand on no hands.

An unbelievably bad CLI is hardly a good basis for comparison and PC
clones are about half a step up from JCL.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
From: versloot@rwzl01.zld.rws.nl (Jack versloot)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Help wanted on hpterm problem
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:07:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Dutch Min. of transport Zeeland, Middelburg

Date: 3 Sep 92 14:58:22 GMT
Message-Id: <2505@rwzl01.zld.rws.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.questions


Help wanted on the following problem.

First some information:
Language: FORTRAN
Machine : HP9000
Terminal: hp

I have a program doing the following:
   - set up protected fields on the terminal
   - let the user enter some data in these fields
   - reading lines from the terminal (with the entered information) with:
        READ (*, '(A)') line

To read lines ESCd is sent to the terminal. The character*512 variable
line is searched for ESC[ (begin protected field) and ESC] (end
protected field). All information between these two codes will be the
information entered by the user.

This works FINE for a real hp-terminal. On a X-window with hpterm it
doesn't work however! The last field on each line is misformed: the
code for 'end protected field' is missing.

My question: 
   Why?
and more important:
   What can I do about it?

Is hpterm not completely compatible with a hp-terminal or should I (maybe)
give hpterm some options or what?

If you have the answer please send it by E-mail to the
following address:

             ingen@rwzl01.zld.rws.nl
From: kanagn@pasifae.cc.uch.gr (Kostas Anagnostakis)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re:  X-based local conferencing
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:31:14 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:46:57 +0300
Message-Id: <9209031446.AA23245@pasifae.cc.uch.gr>


There is a tool called xtv. I will try to locate it and will tell you more.
 
-Kostas
From: robert@pinus.slu.se (Robert Olsson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: HELP! X11R5 gives "couldn't open device"; ultrix DS3100
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:26:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences

Date: 1 Sep 92 12:15:47 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.121547.11704@pinus.slu.se>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug27.215736.9112@engage.pko.dec.com> ewanco@kalvin.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Hi, I need help! I have just installed binaries for X11R5 that I snarfed

STUFF DELETED

>(non-root), it started to come up and then gave me this error:
>
>couldn't open device
>giving up.
>xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61):  unable to connect to X server
>xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.


	I got the same symptom when was installing X11R5 on 
	DS 5000/20. I viewed the code and found that 
	/dev/mouse was read protected: chmod a+r /dev/mouse
	did the job. xconsole had the same problem
	chmod a+r /dev/xcons fixed that. Hope this solves
	your problem.

				Robert Olsson
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From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xterm popup menu strangeness
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:27:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 26 Aug 92 18:16:44 GMT
Message-Id: <21104@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug26.172950.1002@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, dbw@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.b.wood) writes:
|> On my xterm (direct from the X11R5 distribution) the popup menus don't
|> work correctly.  All I get with ctrl-leftbutton is a little box big
|> enough for the "Main" title, and nothing else.  The other two popups
|> do the same thing, except no text at all.

I met the same kind of problem except only those xterm's started from
.xinitrc have the problem, and those started from afterwards (either
from an old xterm, or opened by the window manager) don't have the
problem.

Any information may be helpful -- thanks.

-- 
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-1815                   Tucson, AZ 85721
From: mockus@centrifuge.ecn.purdue.edu (Linas Mockus)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: save_under attribute
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:08:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Date: 28 Aug 92 15:07:09 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.150709.18712@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

XSetWindowAttributes attr;

attr .save_under = True;
XChangeWindowAttributes (...,CWSaveUnder, &attr);
for pop-up menu window. But! when menu disapears
the window under it is not automaticaly restored - area where menu
was is left blank. Can anybody help? Thanks.
From: beynon@nnn.nosubdomain.nodomain ("Michael D. Beynon")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: R5 Build on 386
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:36:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady, NY

Date: 20 Aug 92 13:27:57 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug20.132757.11616@crd.ge.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

We have Interactive Unix 3.0 (SV386 3.2), and their Xserver 2.0.  We are 
porting a package written in Common Lisp, and their is a bug in the Xserver
that causes Lisp to immediately abort.  It is Interactive bug #30086.  They
went against standard X protocol and used the top 3 bits of visualid.

Interactive told me to get the X11R5 release from somewhere else, since they
had no plans to fix this bug.  We had a problems building this.  Has anyone
done this?  Any help would be appreciated, or perhaps where to get binaries, or
even a correctly setup x386.cf file for our version of Unix.

Thanks,

Michael D. Beynon
beynon@nnn.crd.ge.com
From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:28:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:50:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:04:51 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep3.220451.13791@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <RJC.92Aug28171240@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.132640.15662@crd.ge.com>, Pete Halverson (ph) writes:
>> The thing about having a 3d look to a button is that, [...]
> [...] I don't expect to push pictures of buttons any more than I
> expect to smoke pictures of pipes.

> xcal, for example, has a button which is a picture of a mouse with a
> button highlighted.  _That_ is, to me, a good cue.

Until you use a machine with a trackball, or a tablet-and-puck, or a
retinal tracker, instead of a mouse...or if, as I suspect, xcal doesn't
bother to check and blindly assumes a three-button mouse, you use it
with a mouse with other than three buttons.

> Of course, that 2-second delay to learn which is a button may be of
> importance in a shop or at a demo for a suit who signs the cheque to
> buy the chrome that some poor underling has to work around.

I like it...I like it.  Something tells me I'd get along with you.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: I18N (was Re: GUIs Considered Harmful)
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:29:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:10:00 GMT
Message-Id: <BtxI0p.31u@research.canon.oz.au>
Newsgroups: comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x

gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:
>   ...and just to prove the point that GUI's are not necessarily the great
>   international panacea, here in Japan the  "X" (batsu) is regarded as  a
>   negative indicator (ie:- -not- selected, or incorrect), while a  circle
>   (maru) is generally used to indicate selection.

How true. How true. What about colour choices? Western nations
generally use red to mean danger or stop. In other cultures it is
synonymous with good. Just goes to show that there is lot more to
internationalization that just translating the messages, getting date
format correct and using the local currency symbol.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
From: deveau@oceanroutes.ns.ca ("Terry J. Deveau")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X on desktop, or not?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:31:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Oceanroutes Canada Inc.

Message-Id: <9208261427.AA00954@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:26:15 ADT
Phone: (902) 468-3007, FAX: (902) 468-3009
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9]

Paul Wilson <pands@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
> 
> Does anyone out there in the big wide world know of an X-emulator which
> runs on a DOS box but *replaces DOS*?  A strange request I know,  but
> there's this company with an enormous investment in DOS boxes,  and they're
> heading towards Unix and X.  Running X on the desktop isn't practical as
> the users won't be technically aware enough to handle it (even the new
> SVR4.2 is out I'm afraid).
> 
> I know about X emulators which sit on top of DOS and/or Windows,  but I'm
> looking for one which doesn't need either.
> 
Let me see if I've got this straight.  You want an X emulation running
on a DOS box but it isn't practical for it to be running either X or DOS?
UNIX and Windows are out as well.  Maybe what you need is X for CPM!

(just kidding!) ... Terry
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Xnlock -- bug -- where's its author?
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:05:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

Date: 28 Aug 92 07:08:48 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.070848.9057@cv.ruu.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <21193@optima.cs.arizona.edu> azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao) writes:


|"I met some serious problem in using xnlock -- but my email to the
|"author, "Dan Heller" <argv@sun.com>, bounced back. If anybody knows
|"him, please forward the following to him? Or if somebody knows the
|"answer to my problem, please let me know? Thanks a lot!
|"
|".......................................................................
|"
|"Hi,
|"
|"I ftp'ed xnlock version 3 from export.lcs.mit.edu -- I thought it was a
|"very interesting program. It worked fine on my Sun workstation.
|"
|"A serious problem occurs when I run it on a X terminal -- after about
|"10 minutes idle time, xnlock kills my entire X session. The X terminal
|"is a Sun3/75 running xdm; its file server (for the X excutables, like
|"xdm) is a Sun3/80; xdm is connected with a SPARCstation 2 running SunOS
|"4.1.1-IPX as login user's file server.
|"
|"Any explanation? Thanks a lot.

XnLock is not written properly; it queues up all events (proof: start a XClock
start xnlock, wait 2 mins or so, unlock, see the clock speed up) Your server
crashes because it runs out of memory. Use xlock instead.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

"I believe the word you are looking for is "AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!"
    - The Penguin (Batman ][)
From: pandey@mr.med.ge.com (Arvind Pandey 4-6847 MRCE)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: OPEN INTERFACE ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:49:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:14:16 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug25.161416.27216@mr.med.ge.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x


Has anyone outhere used a product "OPEN INTERFACE"
from Neuron Data (Palo Alto CA ).

They claim to provide a package so that you can develop
your GUI to run on various platforms and Windows (eg DOS,
UNIX, VMS ..... ).

To me it seems that to be such a widely portable GUI,
there must be some limitations somewhere. 

So does anyone out there know what gives ? Any actual
users of this product.

- arvind

Arvind Pandey
pandey@rainy.mr.med.ge.com

GE Medical Systems