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Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> The figures only apply to YOU if YOU are BOTH the average cager AND
-> the average motorcyclist, and if your exposure to risk factors

 I got my motorcycle license at 13.  You could do that in Arkansas back
in the early '70s.  I had to take the military rider safety course to
get my "green card" to ride on the nearby air base, and read everything
I could find on riding.  Then I spent countless hours practicing both on
the dirt and on the street.  In the next three years I racked up
probably 25,000 miles; not bad for a kid.

 I swapped the bike for a Mustang when I was 16.  Easier to get girls
with, y'know.  But I never developed the confidence in a cage that I had
on a bike.  Even now, with ten years of autocross and a couple of comp
schools to my credit, I *still* don't feel all that competent in a car.
The connection between me and the road is blurred by a ton and a half of
steel, rubber bushings, and weird steering geometry.

 The sad fact is, I'm still a better rider than driver.  Or maybe it's a
happy fact.  The weather's nice, looks like time for a ride...

=======================================================================
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Cycle World: the Pot Calling the Kettle Black?
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.003645.3317@lclark.edu> garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich) writes:
>A big "DOWN" to Cycle magazine, for advertising motorcycles w/bikini clad
>women atop motorcycle's.  Cycle is obviously condoning this type of riding
>apparel on the street.
>
>(same metality as Cycle's for condeming the British bike rag's cover).
>
>Atleast the the rider in the Brit mag was an experienced racer on a closed
>course.   Far better than the numerous pictures of Cycle test riders doing
>"wheelies" on (albeit little used) public roads./gb


Don't be so damn simplistic. Putting a semi-nude women on a bike for the
sake of increased magazine sales doesn't condone anything.

What do you want? Sanitize magazines, books, TV, comedy shows, etc. to the
point of sterility so it not offend anyone or show any imporper behaviour?
Naturally, it would be you who decides what is not proper. Lighten up!

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jmr@nobska.er.usgs.gov (Jim Robb)
Subject: Jawa/CZ parts
Organization: U.S.Geological Survey
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:54:10 GMT

	For anybody interested in Jawa/CZ parts, there's
a source in St. Pete, FL.  An affable gent named Gary has
what I need for my 1965 super sport, along with some tips 
on what to look out for as I get the old beast running. 
	West Coast Motorcycles
	6814 46th Ave N 
	St Petersburg, FL 33709
	813-541-3158

	Turns out this guy bought out American Jawa's
old parts inventory, and he says he's continuing his father's 
line of business.
	Thanks for the responses to my net inquiry.
			Jim
--
    		Jim Robb 		jmr@nobska.er.usgs.gov	
		US Geological Survey 	(508) 457-2297
		Quissett Campus
		Woods Hole, MA 02543
From: geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:09:08 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article 1992Nov19.001059.7670@megatek.com Randy Davis writes:
 
>be part of the traffic, I always wear a helmet.  However, I *know*, from
>riding for ten years with and without helmets, that your awareness of your
>surroundings at low speeds is greatly increased *without* a helmet.

Eh, you *know*, do you? Well, speak for yourself Randy! I have only one 
answer to give people like you, and that is to let you quote yourself:
>And you must surely be an idiot for such a sweeping generalizations.

>>In general I consider
>>people riding without a helmet not to be a REAL biker.
>Ooooooo...  That means SO much to us...  You've hurt us to the core..

1. ??? At least you express yourself in a colourful way, but I must say that I
find it very hard to spot any refreshing or helpful input to the debate in
your statements. 
2. I don't mean to hurt people, so I'm glad that you are ok Randy. :-)

Geir

| Geir Solvang
| Email: geirs@cee.hw.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Motorcycle causes accident (Yeah!)
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:08 GMT


I was riding on my merry way, going from my sisters in Tikorangi to
home in Wellington (approx 200 miles), when a turkey car driver
got his just desserts!

Vital facts to know:
	1)  New Zealand drives on the left hand side of the road
	2)  Give Way = Yield
	3)  Car drivers are as brain dead here as anywhere else

Just riding along straight ahead.  Car approaches from left hand side
road.  That side road is the main road to Wellington, and they are on
a give way to me.  Car expects me to turn down that road, so creeps 
forward until his rear tires are on the give way lines (where the front 
of his car should be).  At this point, driver realises I have no 
intention of turning, cos, like, I wasn't indicating, so he stops.  

Car behind him ..... doesn't!  the second driver was so busy looking at
their ... ???? ... that they weren't looking at me or the car in front, so just ploughs into the first car at about 20 kph.

Made a nice satisfying bang, even with earplugs in.  There can't have 
been any damage cos they both drove past about 30 seconds later, when I
was stopped getting gas. Ha ha ha.

BIKE 1 CARS 0

Doug Rinckes  drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp | My companys opinions are like
TSSC New Zealand    DoD#: 741            | my companys cars - they don't
1976 BMW R100S + 41mm Dell'Ortos         | like me using either of them.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:47:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.020307.19538@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)writes:
>In article <Bxw183.92L@news.iastate.edu>, tomes@iastate () writes:

>>of their sportbike's engine/trans?  Angular momentum is the primary
>>determinant of handling,  about the pivots described by the tire contact
>>patches.
>
>At turn in, the motorcycle rotates about the cg not the contact
>patches.  Re: countersteering.  Low polar moment in the transverse
>plane (and in the longitudinal plane but for different reasons) is the
>key, not low cg.  Keep the mass concentrated as close to the cg as
>possible.

Ok, I used the wrong term (polar moment).  But show me how an object
can pivot about a point above the ground and still remain in contact with
the ground (assume point touching the ground is the point farthest away
from the CG in that immediate part of the object eg contact patch).
The instantaneous roll axis for a singletrack vehicle MUST be the
line between the two contact patches; otherwise the bike is off the ground
by definition.  

(This is bad, and I have seen it happen.  A student pushed
much too hard when countersteering in a class and threw the bike out from under
himself.  I saw the front wheel airborne for a fraction of a second while 
the bike was busy pivoting about the CG, like you suggested.  I believe this
means that there is an upper limit on lean-in rate that is determined by 
the acceleration due to gravity and the CG height above ground.  If one
increases lean angle too quickly, the bike rolls about the cg and not about
the contact patches.)

BTW, the same argument I used to defend Wings applies to polar moment also:
since most of the engine/trans lies within a foot of the axis passing through
the cg and parallel to the line between the contact patches, the bike handles 
better than you would think if all you considered was mass.  

I am very interested in a good referance book on motorcycle chassis design,
but have been unable to find anything real.  I am looking for the motorcycle
version of the book "How To Make Your Car Handle" by (Fred Puhn?).

CP Tomes
Roll centers here, roll centers there, roll centers everywhere!!
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: For sale, 1979 XS1100 Special
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:58:09 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Michael Storer (mstorer@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: 
: For Sale, parts or whole:
: 
: 1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
: 
: Michael Storer

I wish I lived a bit nearer, I would love to get back on one of these things.
I had one for about two years and loved it (except when the gearbox broke,
twice).

Ah well....


Nick (the Reminiscent Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Haynes XS1100 manual


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin)
Subject: Re: VIRTUAL REALITY machines
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:36:15 GMT

In article <sheppamj.722206366@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:
>
>virtual reality.  One of the first virtual reality machines, designed in
>the 60's was a MOTORCYCLE simulator.  It included a steroscopic movie
>display and vibrations to simulate the motor speed.  Supposidly in part
>of the demonstration the bike used for the filming goes by a pile of
>burning leaves and somehow the device simulates this smell.
>
>Anyone heard this before?  Sounds like something I'd like to go see if
>
>Tried to ride,
>	almost died,
>Left the bitch
>	on her side.
>Picked her up,
>	I couldn't hide
>My baby was scrathced
>	I coulda cried
>
>--
>| Matthew Sheppard  CLARKSON UNIVERSITY  sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu |

Years ago, I rode in a 'toy' called the Amazin' Blue machine at the 
University of Michigan (the toy name comes from the school colors -
maise and blue). I recall a motorcycle simulation, but not the added
sensation of smell, nor the burning leaves. Then again, it's been years
since I experienced it.

Of course, there are some amazing 'being there' rides at Disneyworld, FL.
Been there, done that.

-- 
 The Seeker		peace to those who come in peace 
 (morin@noao.edu)	    pity to those who don't
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FOR SALES ha-ha-ha! CYCLES Trade mark DNEPR from USSR
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:23:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1ec0ecINNqmb@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <DLK42-tffq@adis.msk.su> adis@adis.msk.su writes:
>:  FEATURES:  REABILITY AND ENDURANCE. MOTORCYCLES ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
>:             HEAVIEST-DUTY OPERATING CONDITIONS (THEY WERE USED IN THE
>:             SOVIET ARMY NOT ACCIDENTALLY).
>:
>:  We invite young and energetic dealers to cooperation !!!
>:  Do business with us!  Together we can do more!!!.
>:
>:  WE WAIT FOR YOUR REPLAY.
>:  E-MAIL ADDRESS IN MOSKOW  adis@adis.msk.su
>
>My how the world has changed.
>
>Just a few short years ago, this would have been a perfect April Fool's
>forgery joke.
>
>Now, you really can buy the Red Army's finest sidecar on Usenet.

You'd better not - it sucks. I had one in Russia - design and engine have
not changed much since 1944 (the prototype was a 1944 military-issue BMW) -
the bike's a two-cylinder four-stroke opposite with 500 cubic centimetres
and only (!) 30hp, heavy, wobbly and ugly like a senile drunk's head.
Of course, in winter it doesn't start unless you have a warm garage,
its battery always leaks and its gearbox... Ok, never mind.

Another particularly unpleasant feature is unavoidable engine overheat
at high rpm - so you cannot drive it for any considerable time. The only
possible use of the said motorcycle is to be stored somewhere as a Red
Army souvenir - but it is dishonestly large and won't fit into any
cupboard.

-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: BDIVOs in general
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:40:48 GMT

In article <ZH28ZLQ@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.233845.12482@informix.com> dboyd@informix.com writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.173848.26320@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Broderick Crawford)  
>>writes:
>>> Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
>>> Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197 
>>
>>What's "woman's work"?
>>Diana
>
>Cleaning the house, preparing food when her husband comes home, feeding the
>peds, taking care of the kids, buying lingerie for the night, ....

I thought that was all man's work?  You know, those little things we do
to try and make up for the fact that the woman is willing to share her
body with a bipedal parasite for 9 months...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: TWO 1985 HONDA SPREE's FOR SALE
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:32:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Originator: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU


In article <28630.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
|> 
|>     2 - The ASCII values for caps are higher than for lower case,
|>

	the wild temptation to let out the geek in me, is a little
	irresistible, at times! ;-)

	in the collating sequence for ASCII, A = 65, a = 97.

	here come the flames.... ;-)

	peace,

	- ravi

-- 
----------_________----------__________----------__________----------_______
sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
__________---------__________---------__________---------__________---------
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: patcush@student.ecok.ecu (Cusher Patrick)
Subject: Looking for a good bike
Organization: ECU Machine, Ada, OK I.T.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:22:35 GMT


I'm planning to buy a so called 'Rice Rocketu M-Iub5.daCUCUCchMav1v1v
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:25:45 GMT

In article <1eege0INNa6d@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1edptvINN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In general I consider
>>people riding without reflective stickers not to be a REAL biker.
>
>In general, people without motorcycles are not considered to be REAL
>bikers.

In general, perhaps, but I can think of at least one exception...


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jmr@bramble.er.usgs.gov (Jim Robb)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: U.S.Geological Survey
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:49:19 GMT

>: >|> >But they do still make it. It's called the RD350R, has an updated,
>: >|> twin
>: >|> >headlight, full fairing and is made in Brazil under license from
>: >|> Yahama.
>: >|> >Imported into Britain it's about 3400 pounds
>: >|> 
>: >|> Wow, try to back that out of a parking space!
>: >|> 
>: > Back it out you say, me I'd stick an 8 foot flag on its
>: >center stand lever, maybe even add a boom and sail to it.
>: >What a boat that must be.
>: 
>: You guys are a scream.
>: 
>Listen, you smug yankee dorks!
>
>If you can't tell the difference between pounds avoirdupoi and pounds sterling
>then how can you tell the difference between gas petrol and gas state?  Eh? Eh?
>
>Ohhh! Now that's the sound uh whut yu call one of them'air paradigm shifts!
>
>M'Lud.

		Hey, juh get chur deer?
			Jimmy

--
    		Jim Robb 		jmr@nobska.er.usgs.gov	
		US Geological Survey 	(508) 457-2297
		Quissett Campus
		Woods Hole, MA 02543
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Re: FORTUNE magazine profiles Hells Angels
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:10:06 GMT

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

>In article <3880172@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) /  4:00 pm  Nov 18, 1992 /
>>
>>Wait.  I thought there were only 300 or so "real" Angels in the *world*.
>>I suspect the "other large outlaw gangs" are *much* larger than the
>>Angels...
>>             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
>>               '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
>>                                "HotHead Rules!"
>>----------
>>Negative, the Angels are the biggest and baddest club with at least
>>1,000 members and 200 prospects worldwide in 70 chapters. Outlaws
>>have about 40 chapters and 400 members. Bandidos 300 members in
>>22 chapters. Pagans 26 chapters and 200 members. Sons of Silence
>>150 members in 17 chapters. That doesn't include smaller outlaw
>>clubs such as the Losers in Monterey Peninsula among others.

>Then there's the DoD, with 981 members in 1 chapter...  Hah!  Take
>that, you silly Pagans!
>-- 
Actually you bring up a point Jon - Are we 1 chapter, or geographically
many chapters, (not to dilute the numbers). Here in NE, we have called
ourselves the 'nedod' (a subset of the DoD) by virtue of a so-named mail 
alias and account. There is also an 'madod' subset of the nedod etc.  
I would imagine that local area DoD'rs wherever they are have done the same.
Let's not get organized about this ...

... so take that silly Sons of Silence!

They'd probably beat the shit out of us in a fight - 
But we could bring their computer systems' to their knees!

>Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
>jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
>       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
-- 
#   Scott Lilliott -- csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897   "Countersteering is like benchracing. A bunch of posers   
#   DoD #0227      standing around the parts counter lying about all the
 #  INOA #8563     great twisties they've steered through."- Bill Ranck DoD 496
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:28:58 GMT

In article <BxrrC5.Bqv@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
}I've seen a couple of guys 'trying to get up' after crashing on the track.
}The problem is that after crashing at 120mph you tend to be a bit disoriented
}(never mind that the only thought racing thru your brain is 'SHIT'). The brain
}tries to compensate for the fast moving scenery and tends to tell you you're
}at rest when you're still going 30mph. Trying to get up at that point is
}a mistake and will only result in you putting on a 2-step performance for
}the pit crews - and possible broken bones.

A friend of mine had this happen. He got his front end clipped from the
side at 60 mph on the expressway and went down. He folded his arms
across his chest, tucked his chin, pointed his toes, and rolled down
the expressway like a tube for 150 yards. But he thought he was stopped
at one point, and when he began to open up his arms the change in 
motion got to his brain and he "suddenly" saw ground-sky-ground-sky...
and yanked his arms back in tight again until he really stopped.

I didn't realize it was a common phenomenon. FYI, bike was totalled,
he injured an already-in-bad-shape knee and got a bit of road rash
where his jacket pushed up above his glove and some in various
places where his jeans wore through. Otherwise he was fine, thanks
to the total sacrifice of his leather jacket and his helmet.
He did wish, however, that he had been wearing leather pants.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	  '91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Golden "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: hard bags (was Re: GTS1000A gripe)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:45:37 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <2867@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe
Senner) wrote:
> 
> different beast the R bike... new style hard bags for K bikes are $650.
> I don't think that includes installation but the dealer will probably
> throw them on for nothing considering the profit margin on the bags
> themselves. you might be able to find a set of the old style K bike 
> bags for $450 (cost new).
> 

Yep, that's the price.  Last week fridman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca was selling
a pair for $250.  Give him a shout.  Seems like a good deal.
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: hard bags (was Re: GTS1000A gripe)
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

]joe> can't say that I've ever seen a new R bike with bags though. only
]joe> the older ones with bags that look like fat briefcases...
]
]I should drive my R100R over that way then... :-)   I've got the new
]mondo-luggage (holds a full-face RF200 no problem)...

as soon as I said that I wound up riding with about 8 R bikes, 3 of them
equipped with the new style luggage. feel free to drive your R100R over
this way anyway, I certainly wouldn't mind 'checking it out' for you :-)

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:50:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov17124552@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

>if you get into a car accident you might come out unharmed, but on a
>bike you are gonna be injured,

Then it's time you got yourself some decent riding gear. I've had six
accidents, five of which left not the slightest mark on me, not even a
bruise developing afterwards. (Well, since you ask, the other produced
no permanent mark.)

On the other hand, I've only been in one car accident, and I suffered
a very painful injury. The girl sitting beside me was so terrified she
pulled out a handful of my hair. No, I wasn't driving. Statistics show
that if you must travel in a car, it is safer not to drive it.

-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
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