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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: ISA  etc.   [Re: Some "interesting" legislation of Malaysia]
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:22:55 GMT

Whay S. Lee (wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu) wrote:

: 	But then that is just a speculation, for no one but those
: who actually wrote the Act knows the true intention behind it.

: 	On the other hand, I am not convinced that such hypothesis 
: may hold in today's Malaysia, given that a large portion 
: of the population is getting proper basic education.  That leaves 
: us with two open questions :  

: 	Have the Malaysian society today matured enough to tell 
: right from wrong, and to see through lies and deceptions ?
	Malaysians society were already mature anytime.

: 	And if so, what would be the rationale behind these seemingly 
: undemocratic legislation in a supposedly democratic nation like
: Malaysia ?
	Because this is what almost everyone wants. Just read the posts here.
Their view of democracy is not to rock the boat. Each one already has an
established views which should not be tampered.
	The more convincing your argument is, the worse treatment you'll get.
It has nothing to do with right or wrong, rather on emotions. After all ISA is
defined based on emotion. Anything that creates tension. E.g. in Malaysia,
the mention Chinese is to be sadistic because it created bad feelings.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE!!!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:02:06 GMT

Chua HakLien (chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: Pak Othman writes:
: > What is the KKK?
: The Ku Klux Klan.

: And even if kambala were beautiful, doesn't mean that the rest of the 
: country is in a wonderful state, does it? Use your head, Pak Othman.

I've seen the documentary and it was not bad, not as bad as I thought. Some
parts of USA are even worse.

: As the original poster said before, Uganda's ruler is siphoning off
The original poster mentioned another nation.
: money to build a tiny piece of paradise, while the rest of the country
: is going to hell. And do you believe everything you watch on TV?
You may be out of touch with Malaysia. It occurs the same way here even with
lots of chinese.
	In fact I can say that it is worse in Malaysia, if your judgement were
to be believed. We have more paradises here than anywhere in Africa. The 
chinese even siphon off billions of ringgit to Hong Kong and Singapore, due to 
our open economic policy, and you people do not seem to appreciate this, or
may be just do not bother, after all you are all convinced that you are the
only 2ND CLASS CITIZENS in the whole wide world.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Kuala Lumpur Composite Index Thursday January 21, 1993
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:57:01 GMT

Kuala Lumpur closed mixed with the market lacking a clear direction.

Investors also remained cautious about building up positions due to
constitutional crisis over efforts to strip the country's hereditary
rulers of their legal immunity.  

The composite index closed down 1.51 at 622.61 in volume of 54.5m shares
compared with Tuesday's 65.6m.  Most active stocks were Magmum Corp
which gained 3 cents after the Chinese government announced that gaming
permits are again to be open for contest.  There is much speculation 
that Magmum corp. may have won the contest.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Series of Disasters in Strait of Malacca
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:30:37 GMT

Malaysia and Singapore's disaster warnings go unheeded in the Strait
--------------------------------------------------------------------
**** New discussion topic *****


Every 24 hours as many as 600 vessels, some small fishing craft, some
300,000 tonne tankers pass through the 600 mile long Strait of Malacca. 
It is one of the world's busiest shipping channels, a vital conduit of
world trade.

Malaysia has been at the forefront of efforts to have the strait better
policed.  It has warned that sooner or later an environmental disaster
will occur.  Dr Mahathir, the Malaysian PM has talked of "a state of
near lawlessness" in the area.

Last week's collision involving the Maersk Navigator supertanker was
only the latest in a series of accidents in the strait in recent months.
Last September a collision between a tanker and a container ship
resulted in 13,000 tonnes of crude oil being spilled, much of it on the
beaches of Malaysia.  In August 10 passengers were drowned after a
collision between a cruise liner and a fishing trawler off the malaysia
coast.

Attempts to improve controls in the waterway are hampered both by
differences between the three adjacent states - Malaysia, Singapore and
Indonesia - and by international law.

Singapore, while it has rigid anti-pollution regulations of its own,
does not want to take action that might deter shipping frrom the region
and jeopardise it position as one of the world's main shipping hubs.
Singapore is now the world's largest container port.

Indonesia has scant resources to spend on any proper policing measures
which would cover its waters - stretching across an area wider than the
US.

Malaysia says the littoral states of the Strait of Malacca should not
have to pay for pollution caused by others.  Mr Adbullah Ahmad Badawi,
foreign minister, addressing the UN general assembly last year said
international maritime law and regulations had to be revised to take
account of modern conditions and to ensure that all those using the
Straits of Malacca shared responsibilities for pollution and safety
problems.

"When such accidents occur, we have to do the cleaning up - which is a
financial burden - as well as endure the sudden harm and destruction to
our marine resources .... this is too much for the poor littoral states
to bear alone"

Malaysia has called an international conference next month to discuss
some of these problems.  "If things go on as they are there is going to
be a disaster," says one Singapore-based shipping expert.  "If it's not
happening right now, it's just a question of time."
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Random Thoughts...
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:26:03 GMT

Kim A. Tan (katan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:

: I don't think they will able to apply the Seditions act in here since this 
: newsgroup is belong to usenews group. Also, Malaysia network has a choice 
: whether they want to subscript to this newsgroup!

YOu can argue your case in court when you are in prison forever.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Sultan/Agong
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:04:01 GMT

Whay S. Lee (wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: those in their families ).  Perhaps if the sultans were earlier threatened 
: [again, please pardon the word] with what has happened recently, things 
: would have been different ?     I don't know, I am just guessing ....

If you have the spirit to want to know I would have told you, but then if
you HAD the spirit you should have known.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Straits Time Industrial Index 21 January 1993
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:00:21 GMT

Singapore shrugged off overnight losses to end higher in thin volume.

The STI index rose 5.14 to 1,578.16 in thin volume of 45.5m shares
against Tuesday's 67.11m.  Falls led gains by 92 to 104.

Inchcape rose 30 cents to S$6.85 and Singapore Press Foreign rose 30
cents to S$16.60.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: katan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Kim A. Tan)
Subject: Re: Malaysian Embassy Address
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:38:58 GMT

In article <C1HC4G.JHq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Anjing Tupai) writes:
>From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Anjing Tupai)
>Subject: Malaysian Embassy Address
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:09:51 GMT
>To those interested Malaysian who want to knows the Malaysian Embassy and Consulate General addresses in USA.
>
>Embassy of Malaysia
>1900 24th. Street N.W.
>Washington D.C. 20008
>(202) 328-2770
>
>
>Consulate General of Malaysia
>875 North Michigan Avenue Suite #4101
>Chicago, ILL 60611
>(312) 280-9632
>
>
>Consulate General of Malaysia
>350 South Figueroa Street #400
>Los Angeles, CA  90071
>(213) 621-2991
>
>
>PS: Information is taken from MACEE pamphlets. Correct at the time the 
pamphlet is distributed to all Malaysian students who are going to study in USA. -- May 1992

Does anyone have the address for the embassy in CANADA? Thanks.
----
Kim A. Tan                       InterNet: KATan@SciBorg.Uwaterloo.CA
Centre for Groundwater Research     Phone: 519-885-1211 Ext. 5207
University of Waterloo                FAX: 519-746-7484
Waterloo Ontario Canada N2L 3G1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt)
Subject: Proton Saga
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:52:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.191759.20857@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.142006.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt) writes:
>>
>>Incidentally, there have been rumours that Protons are heavily subsidized
>>by the M'sian government.  Wonder if this is true.
>>
> Yes it's true. (At least it was true about a year  or so ago.) There's
> was an article on this in the Economist. Not sure on the issue. Still,
> you might be surprised to find out the Proton Sagas are cheaper in UK
> than in Malaysia--I'm not sure.                   

It does appear that Proton Sagas are cheaper in the UK than in Malaysia.
I spoke with a number of people who bought the Proton Sagas in the UK and
it cost something like less than 10,000 pounds for a 1.5 litre car, complete
with all the latest gadgets (the power steering option is especially
appreciated).  The recent depreciation in sterling pounds further help to
push the UK car prices down.

Let's see now.... perhaps I will buy one.

#----------------------------------#-------------------------------------------#
|  W.H.Watt                        #  JANET:                                   |
|  Dept. of Accounting & Finance   #           w.h.watt@uk.ac.strath.vaxa      |
|  University of Strathclyde       #  Rest of the World:                       |
|  Glasgow                         #           w.h.watt@vaxa.strath.ac.uk      |
|  United Kingdom                  #                                           |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: The Sultans fight back
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:57:38 GMT

Waseem Siddiqi (waseems@sco.COM) wrote:
: I thought Ketua Hakim Negara are suppose to be neutral on 
He is no longer Ketua Hakim Negara.
: constitution issues until it comes up in the court. So why
: is Tun Salleh Abbas getting invovlved here?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:32:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.024558.6478@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu wrote:
>: >: 	A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
>: >: animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
>: >: their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.
>: >
>: >Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
>: >wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
>: >zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.
>
>: 	Hey, I did specifically say "flirting", not fornication.  
>: Watch my words carefully, you idiot. 
>
>: >In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into
>
>: 	Not a crime? Did the Quran not say, "do not go NEAR zina"
>Do you know what NEAR ZINA is? It is NEAR but it does not mean that you cannot
>get to know women with the intention of marrying her. In fact in the hadith
>somewhere it is encouraged that we know the background of the woman that
>we mant to marry. In fact our ustaz in fact told us to see more of her self.
>

	And who is this ustaz? I thought you're a self-taught "Islamic
scholar", who doesn't depend on the words of Islamic Ulamas, but derived
the rules of Islam, ALL by your own repugnant self from the Quran. If that
Ustaz said what I think he said you said, than that ustaz better stop
teaching Islam, lest idiot like you shall accumulate.

>: (wala taqrabus zina).  I wonder what did you do to your wife before
>: you marry her...
>How can I marry her if I do not even know or talk to her before.

	Life is relative. To have one option taken away does not
mean other options are unavailable also. 

>
>: >wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.
>: >
>
>: 	Agreed. As in your case, one did not  have be a royalty to
>: be an idiot.
>Maybe you're not an idiot if you think you can marry a woman without even
>flirting with her, even the slightest bit.

	As always, you speak perverted logic again.

>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:27:53 GMT

W.H.Watt (ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk) wrote:
: Heard on BBC....


: Incidentally, there have been rumours that Protons are heavily subsidized
                                                         ^^^^^^^
: by the M'sian government.  Wonder if this is true.
CAn't be true especially when it is a public company already. All accounts are
public now.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: GREETING FROM CANADA TO S'PORE
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:21:57 GMT
Organization: JHO Company, Dallas, Texas USA

$chiucs@brandonu.ca writes:


>  
>       HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!
>        
>         GREETING FROM CANADA,Brandon.
>             TO EVERYONE FROM SINGAPORE AND ANYONE READING THIS!!!
>            
>        Hi ! Poor me , this is my third year away from home !!
Hi ! Poor me , this is my thirdteen year away from home !!  

>       Miss the new year food back home, anyone like to send me some...!!!????
>           Just joking !!!!  But,........
>							CHORNG SHIANG
You will get used to it. :)
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Kuala Lumpur Composite Index Thursday January 21, 1993
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan21.235701.3689@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip) writes:
> Kuala Lumpur closed mixed with the market lacking a clear direction.
> 
> Investors also remained cautious about building up positions due to
> constitutional crisis over efforts to strip the country's hereditary
> rulers of their legal immunity.  
> 
> The composite index closed down 1.51 at 622.61 in volume of 54.5m shares
> compared with Tuesday's 65.6m.  Most active stocks were Magmum Corp
> which gained 3 cents after the Chinese government announced that gaming
> permits are again to be open for contest.  There is much speculation 
> that Magmum corp. may have won the contest.

	This is only short-term fluctuation.  From what I read, the
KL/Singapore market will be the Taiwan market in the early 80's.  It has
nowhere to go but up !!  The index may go up to 1000 by 1995.  For those of you
who are interest, there is a close end Malaysia mutual fund listed on the NYSE.

Jack Teh
From: c9b-ap@po.berkeley.edu (HakLien Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: He who beat caddy to death....
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:27:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

I'm not so sure about all this 'beating caddy to death' business.
Since nobody really seems to have ( ahem ) cold, hard evidence,
this thing has to go under urban legends. Heck, I've heard worse
stories, some claiming to come from '1st hand' sources, but since
ANYONE is innocent until proven guilty, don't be so ready to lynch
yer local royalty.... =)

Chua
+==+
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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Model United Nations in the Czech Republic
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:41:46 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:18:51 GMT
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In article <1993Jan27.023548.2844@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu wrote:
>: >near future, but I have also seen that some people who are related to the
>: >Sultan, taking big privileges. I say, take away privileges other then the
>: >Sultan and his family (i.e. his sons and daughters), to the ones who are 
>: >not closely related to him.
>: >	Of course, it is easier said then done, but if anyones the head of
>: >the government should and would be able to see that, our Sultans are still
>: >borned with a sense of respect and honor. But I've also understood the way
>
>: 	A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
>: animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
>: their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.
>
>Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
>wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
>zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.

	Hey, I did specifically say "flirting", not fornication.  
Watch my words carefully, you idiot. 

>In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into

	Not a crime? Did the Quran not say, "do not go NEAR zina"
(wala taqrabus zina).  I wonder what did you do to your wife before
you marry her...

>wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.
>

	Agreed. As in your case, one did not  have be a royalty to
be an idiot.

>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: NO soc.culture.malaysia
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:33:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!  I say NO to soc.culture.malaysia

hra2@lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr))
Subject: Re: Is soc.culture.singapore up?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:35:28 GMT

Yes soc.culture.singapore is up, but it is not grouped with the rest of
the soc.culture groups.  In my system it comes right at the end, and is
No. 1080, rather than around No. 500.
                                             Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Sultans' Right
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:45:02 GMT

Malaysia's parliament on the 21st of January, 1993 approved
constitutional amendments to strip the country's nine hereditary sultans
of their immunity from the law.

The vote was passed by 133 votes with 16 abstentions.  No one opposed
the bill, which was proposed by PM Mahathir Mohamad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean