From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Help defeat proposed Nicaraguan law against sodomy
Keywords: lesbian, gay, bisexual, homosexual, German, Jew, citizen, national, law, legal, moral, Nuremberg, Nazi
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@novavax.nova.edu (Mitch Silverman)
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, Florida

In article <1992Jul14.133008.4024@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

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>Before making accusations, it would help you to read the message.
>Here goes osme help to you:
>

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>You see: I was answering his question, which did not have nothing 
>to do with Jews, but with the laws passed by the German government.
>So, because the Jews were not part of the German people, as you might 
>know by now, but Homosexuals in Nicaragua are part of the Nicaraguan 
>people.

Whoa.  You keep repeating this.  There were two different groups of
Jews (according to nationality) imprisoned, used as slave labor 
(or worse) and put to death in concentration camps set up under
the authority of the German National Socialist government: German
nationals (who had for the most part been German _citizens_, able to
vote, pay taxes, etc. before the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1938 stripped
them of their citizenship, as well as enacting minor annoyances like
the Racial Purity laws); and nationals of countries invaded by the
armed forces under the command of the German National Socialist
government.

Reichkanzler (Chancellor) Hitler was elected to office under
Weimar Republic law, and seized emergency powers under the
Weimar Constitution. So from one perspective (that of Germany's
national law), everything that happened in Germany was "as legal
as church on Sunday," as the cliche' has it.

This only goes to point out that there is a considerable difference 
between what is legal and what is moral.

Are you willing to stipulate that the U.S. government (and, by extension,
the Nicaraguan government, getting back to the case at hand) could 
"solve" its problem with the homosexual minority (that is to say, the
"inconvenience" and "embarrassment" of people like Lt. j.g. Tracy Thorne,
whose loyalty to the United States and skill as a pilot are apparently
much less important than who they sleep with) by simply revoking their
citizenship?  I hope not--and I hope you think about whether or not
Germany's Jews were members of the "Germen people" or not.

I hope everyone sees the connections here--I haven't tried to be obscure.
It's for this reason that I marched after the Tienanmen Square massacre,
went to rallies after the Supreme Court decided _Webster_--and part of
the reason I've tried to help end discrimination against gays and
lesbians (though I suppose I could do more).

Oh--could someone email me the info from the original post, about
where to write to the Chamorro government (or the Nicaraguan 
legislature) about this bill?  I've about persuaded _myself_
(with the kind assistance of Senhor Pinkas and his two articles)
to do something.  And I'm going to cross party lines (I'm
a registered Libertarian) to work for Clinton this year.
As several .signatures I've seen say, "Join the movement--turn
'to bush' into a verb."

Mitchell L. Silverman
Student, New College of the University of South Florida
mitch@cfraix.cfr.usf.edu
mitch@novavax.nova.edu
 
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