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From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: You should see the one that got away
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:49:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: zaphod.1992Apr10.184917.12600
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University

In article <92100.154933SASDBC@vm.sas.com> SASDBC@vm.sas.com (David Build Caudle) writes:

>What's the best hand you ever got or ever *almost* got?
>
>The best hand I've ever gotten in my poker career was my first Vegas
>trip.  Playing 7-card stud, I had 5d 4d ?? 6d up and Ad 3d in the
>hole on sixth street.  After the last card was dealt, I squeezed my
>pockets slowly revealing the 2d.  Wow!  To make things even better,
>there was a straight and a flush who were betting against me; very
>nice pot to say the least!

The best hand I ever held was at a 7 stud (high only) game in Caesars
Tahoe when I was dealt A of hearts and AKQJT9 of spades (started with
AAK, nice starters).  Seventh street was the QS and I burst out
laughing when I saw it.  Funny, my last remaining opponent didn't call
(maybe it had something to do with the KJT9 of spades I was showing,
too bad he didn't fill up).

I also had quad K's that weekend, with three of them down, which was a
nice hand to turn at the showdown.

My best 'almost' hand was at a 1-3 7stud game at the Cal Neva in Reno,
when I started with AKQT of diamonds.  They have (or had, anyway) a
jackpot for royals, which was $1,500 at the time.  The jack was live
at the end, but I didn't catch it.  I did make the flush, though.
Probably won about $20 dollars...

chris
From: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: RE: PLAYING THE PONIES
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) 

TO:olsonb@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
OD>Newsgroups: rec.gambling
OD>Subject: Re: PLAYING THE PONIES
OD>Message-ID: <1992Apr7.092337.2381@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>
OD>Date: 7 Apr 92 15:23:36 GMT

>    Not an expert by any means...but IMHO, the WIN bet is the best way to
>    go.  I usually Dutch (playing at least two horses to win) to set up a
>    guaranteed return...but they do not win, then a loss is a loss.  I do
OD>I rarely bet two straight win bets.  fact is, you're *not* setting up a
OD>*guaranteed* win, but you *are* setting up a guaranteed loss.  IMHO, better
OD>to go with one win, and a combination of exactas.  You're still setting
OD>up for a loss, but the wins could be far more substantial.
   Hi Beth,
      With dutching, you can maximize your advantage, get value and the 
   track TAKE OUT is less than playing exactas (exotics in general).  I
   used to play exactas alot more, but found that I'd have the winner 
   and get nosed out of the ezacta $$$ by a throw out...and end up with
   nothing...not anymore! <g>

>    not like the w/p/s bets anymore, as you have to have a higher "hit"
>    percentage in order to make a profit...if your horse runs out though,
>    then you've lost alot more.  I would do what you feel comfortable
>    doing, especially if you are WINNING!  That's what it's all about...
>    bringing home more $$$ than what you left with <grin>.

OD>            Win      Place      Show
OD>Winner     8.40      5.30      394.40
OD>2nd                  4.20      337.80
OD>3rd                            276.60
   DAMN!  I'd load up...do you recall who the FAV (and track) was that 
   did not finish in the $$$???  You could have asked the bridge-jumpers
   who had the FAV, BEFORE the took the plunge.  That payoff IS amazing!

OD>good luck, and may the horse be with you!
   Yes, a Harvey Pack fan!  I'd know that sign-off ANYWHERE! <g>

OD>I haven't much kept up since I left New York -- good
OD>to see some horseplayers on rec.gambling!!
   I've been told that rec.gambling is dead for horseplayers.  Also
   been told about a group that emails out info to those that request
   it.  Ask to be put on the "email-list" at derby-request@ekrl.com
   if interested.

Take care,

Mark E. Savey
GAMBLER'S MATE software - "Only systems that win!!"                    .
Endorsed by Mike Caro, the "Mad Genius" of Gambling!                   .
Winning for THIRD straight year!                                       .
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From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Sports betting
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:41:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Apr03.150038.16764@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> boll@CS.ColoState.EDU (dave boll) writes:
>  be pulling them out of my butt anyway, but I kind of liked the
>  suggestion of posting the picks to the net next fall during the
>  season. Would anyone have an objection to this?

The exact suggestion was that you test yourself by sending
your picks to one or more of the net's football pools.  Both
of them post the right/wrong stats of their participants
weekly.  This is more valuable than bickering over your
particular picks.

Several people did better than 60% last year, so you'd have
to show yourself above 60% for several years to prove your
system.

				--Blair
				  "I, of course, will be the control,
				   picking at a 30% rate, again..."
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Sports betting
Date: 3 Apr 92 17:28:28 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Apr02.212719.287982@cs.cmu.edu> mnr+@cs.cmu.edu (Marc Ringuette) writes:
>Dave, sorry, but it'll be hard to get investors no matter how good your
>system is, just because there are so many ways that a system can be made
>to _look_ good without actually _being_ good.

In case you haven't noticed, this is exactly the criterion
for a successful business in a capitalist economy.

				--Blair
				  "Put me down for $5 and parlay
				   Trump's subordinated bonds..."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jrsargeant@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (JACK SARGEANT)
Subject: Re: Blackjack strategy
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:46:33 GMT

In <1992Apr17.010500.5856@leland.Stanford.EDU> rishi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rishi Varma) writes:

>Just doing a survey...assuming you can't count worth shit...how many of you
>would draw a card in the following situations:

>i) You have a 16 (3 or more cards) and dealer shows 10.
>ii) You have a 12 and dealer shows 5.
>iii) You have a 17 (3 or more cards) and dealer shows A.

>Thanks.

i) yes
ii) yes
iii) no

No good reason;  that's just the way I would do it.  (Porbably wrong, though!)

--
Jack R. Sargeant, Sr. W0RIJ             These opinions are mine and only mine 
Computer Systems Specialist             (unless you want to claim them).
Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Someday (maybe) we'll get E-Mail and FTP access.  In the meantime, we post.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:46:11 MST
From: Jeff Roberts <AGJXR@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: holdem books

At the local gambling bookstore, I perused the books on poker,
particularly holdem.  The question is whether or not Sklansky's (sp)
book is worth the price?  It seemed pretty thin for the $32.95
price tag.  If this book is worth it, is the book available
through the mail at a lower price?    Thanks,

Jeff Roberts
Dept. of Geology
Arizona State University
AGJXR@ASUACAD
From: SASDBC@vm.sas.com (David Build Caudle)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: You should see the one that got away
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:49:33 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Last Friday in our poker game, the dealer, who was three seats from
my right (I think), called Omaha.

My hand is 9s 10s Qs Ks.  I laugh out loud.

The first card in the flop is Js.  I laugh hysterically.

If ONLY that had been the dealer to my immediate right, and the game
5-card draw.

Amazingly enough, after calling everyone's bets, the river gave me
a lock high straight.

What's the best hand you ever got or ever *almost* got?

The best hand I've ever gotten in my poker career was my first Vegas
trip.  Playing 7-card stud, I had 5d 4d ?? 6d up and Ad 3d in the
hole on sixth street.  After the last card was dealt, I squeezed my
pockets slowly revealing the 2d.  Wow!  To make things even better,
there was a straight and a flush who were betting against me; very
nice pot to say the least!

David Caudle       | SAS Institute Inc/SAS Campus Drive/Cary NC 27513
sasdbc@vm.sas.com  | (919)677-8001 x7946 10am-6pm est    ___________
-----------------------------------------------------  _|___|___|___|_
"All in all, it was all just bricks in the wall." -PF |___|___|___|___|
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:27:22 -0400 
From: David Goldreich <dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: That Horse Race game and other items
	<1992Apr15.072014.22132@shinobu.sgi.com>

This game is great fun.  Yes, I am one of those that yells at the horses.

Last time we went, I got upset at her for pouring to much money into
the horse game (since it is easy to quickly lose the few dollars we
make at BJ), but she likes the long shots.  Lo & Behold, she puts two
quarters in on a 200:1 and wins.  $100.  I never complained about the
horse game again.

(The guy sitting next to her had 20 quarters in for a $1000 payoff.)

David

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: lmiller@aero.org (Lawrence H. Miller)
Subject: Re: Sports betting
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.213511.64224@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> boll@CS.ColoState.EDU (dave boll) writes:
>
>  Re: NFL picks
>
>  At the request of >1 person, I will not be posting my picks to the net
>  this fall. But, I will be e-mailing them to a few rec.gambling readers. 
>
>  In response to some interesting points this discussion has raised:
>
>  But what if we iterate the won-loss records?
>
>  Say team A is 8-5 (8 wins, 5 losses). Compute a new pseudo won-loss record
>  like so:
>      1) To get the new # of wins, find the total # of wins of all the teams
>	 that team A has defeated.
>      2) To get new # of lostes, find total # of losses of all the teams that
>	 team A has lost to.
>
>  Now you can repeat this process over & over. You'll probably need to
>  normalize them each time, or the #s get too big, but after a while, the
>  normalized #s relax to a steady state where not much change occurs during
>  this process. I have found that by computing the number 
>       # wins/(wins + losses)
>  you get a # between 0 and 1 that can be used as a measure of team
>  strength. This can then be used (along with home field advantage) as a
>  pretty good game picker.
>
>  The nice thing about this technique is that the rating of a team with a
>  stellar record against ho-hum opposition won't necessairly be all that
>  high.
>

	The problem is that this accumulates and retains too much
	information.  Teams often change in their performance over
	the year, and it is important that previous week's data
	be weighted, with most recent heaviest.  This suggests that
	your best opportunities will come with those teams that 
	turn themselves around during the season.  My model weighted
	the previous four weeks of data the heaviest.  However, your
	general conclusion is consistent with my own models from 
	the mid '70s: that won/loss record has a high correlation with
	final point spread.
-- 
Larry Miller
The Aerospace Corporation
lmiller@aero.org
310-336-5597
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: "Diamonds are Forever"
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:13:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <deS=02Lycc1w00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>
>I watched "Diamonds are Forever" again last night.  Has anyone else noticed
>that the scene at the craps table is totally bogus?  Yeah, I know, you
>were probably too busy watching Plenty O'Toole, the original Hot Babe(tm).
>Still, everything is so laughably wrong that I can't believe that they
>didn't do it on purpose, but I wonder why.

"Normal" people don't know much about craps.

Didn't you love just how easy it was for him to establish credit?  Just 
flash the "Slumber Inc" envelope at the boxman and away you go!  (I know
some people who just wish credit was that easy to get. :-)

>Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.  You can go back to discussing
>blackjack counting and betting nickels on toy horses again.

How about the dealer at Circus giving "Plenty" the card which said "Go play
the balloon game".  That never happens to me. :-)

Jacko
"Let sleeping dice lie"
From: olsonb@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: PLAYING THE PONIES
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:23:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac.1992Apr7.092337.2381

In article <834.120.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, mark.savey@cccbbs.UUCP (Mark Savey) writes:
[..munch..]
> 
>    Not an expert by any means...but IMHO, the WIN bet is the best way to
>    go.  I usually Dutch (playing at least two horses to win) to set up a
>    guaranteed return...but they do not win, then a loss is a loss.  I do

I rarely bet two straight win bets.  fact is, you're *not* setting up a
*guaranteed* win, but you *are* setting up a guaranteed loss.  IMHO, better
to go with one win, and a combination of exactas.  You're still setting
up for a loss, but the wins could be far more substantial.

>    not like the w/p/s bets anymore, as you have to have a higher "hit"
>    percentage in order to make a profit...if your horse runs out though,
>    then you've lost alot more.  I would do what you feel comfortable 
>    doing, especially if you are WINNING!  That's what it's all about...
>    bringing home more $$$ than what you left with <grin>.

Also not an expert, but I also avoid w/p/s...unless you've got a terrible
long-shot, or a huge amount of money to bet, the show payoff isn't going 
to be worth the time spent standing in line.  Except when...

I've seen this a couple times, now, and that was enough to keep me on
the lookout for it from now on.  Don't remember the exact numbers, but
something like this...

            Win      Place      Show
Winner     8.40      5.30      394.40
2nd                  4.20      337.80
3rd                            276.60

(the exact numbers, as I say, might not make sense, but you get the idea.)
You can also see what happened -- someone put a hundred thou or so on the
'sure-thing' to show and -- much to his surprise -- it didn't.

Of course, it doesn't happen often, and of course, when someone with
that much money is that confident, chances are they know what they're
doing (at least more that I do ;-)  But still, ever since I've seen
it, whenever there's a lop-sided race with a huge favorite, I always
keep an eye on the tote board totals.  Yea, i'm willing to throw a
couple of bucks against it -- keeps the game interesting, and all  ;-)

[munch]

> Take care,
> 
> Mark E. Savey
> GAMBLER'S MATE software - "Only systems that win!!"                    .
> Endorsed by Mike Caro, the "Mad Genius" of Gambling!                   .
> Winning for THIRD straight year!                                       .
> @ INTERNET: cccbbs!mark.savey@uceng.uc.edu or 74716.1720@CompuServe.com
>                              ^-------|------------------^              .
>                                    should be the "at" sign (shift-2)   .
> ---
>  . DeLuxe. 1.21 #8865 . GAMBLER'S MATE: Thoroughbred Edition- GM-THORO.ZIP

good luck, and may the horse be with you!

I haven't much kept up since I left New York -- good
to see some horseplayers on rec.gambling!!

/beth
****
"A bad day at the track is better than a good day anywhere else"
                                                -Andy Beyer
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: fsjrs@oz.lerc.nasa.gov (John R. Schwab)
Subject: Re: $5 min BJ in AC on Friday eve./Saturday ?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.033842.22315@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>Remesh Venkataraman writes:
>>Is it possible to find these tables anywhere in AC ? How about on
>>Saturday evening?
>
>At one point, Trump's Castle was advertising that they will always
>have $5 BJ and craps.  I don't know if that's still their policy
>or not.  (If in doubt, just call them.  I think they have an 800
>number, so 800-555-1212 is a good starting point.)
>-- 
>Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even

Here's a list of AC phone numbers that I submitted for the FAQ.  
It's at least one year old, so you may want to check 800-555-1212 anyway.

Bally's Grand             (800) 257-8677
Bally's Park Place        (800) 225-5977
Caesars Atlantic City     (800) 257-8555
Claridge                  (800) 257-7676
Harrah's Marina           (800) 242-7724
Resorts International     (800) 438-7424
Sands                     (800) 257-8580
Showboat                  (800) 621-0200
Tropicana                 (800) 257-6227
Trump Castle              (800) 441-5551
Trump Plaza               (800) 441-0909
Trump Taj Mahal           (800) 825-8786

You may find one or two $5 BJ tables per casino on a weekend night, but
they will be full and people will be waiting to grab a seat.  $10 is the
effective AC minimum for weekend nights.  Try just after dawn, if they're
still open 24 hours, or right at 10:00 AM, if they're not open 24 hours
on the weekends anymore.  I'd like to hear about that, in any case.

Good Luck!


-- 
John R. Schwab
NASA Lewis Research Center
Phone: (216) 433-8446
Email: schwab@lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum)
Subject: Re: Bay Area (California) cardroom experience
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:00:30 GMT

In article <f3NL02Fbc2vg00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum) writes:
>
>}The time payment is not live, and at the 2-4 and 3-6 tables
>}the time payment is equal to the big blind.  At the no-limit tables,
>}time is collected on the half-hour (I am not sure of the rate), and the
>}button has the first blind and all of the blinds are live.
>
>I hate to ask dumb questions, but if one doesn't ask, one won't learn,
>right?  Could some kind soul explain this term "live" to me?  I've
>heard it used in reference to blinds, and now in reference to the time
>payment.  But somehow, I can't quite get down what it means.
>
>--James Preston

Live money is money that you have in the pot that counts towards your
bet total, and if it is called all the way to you then you can raise
on top of it.  The blinds are usually live, and in split limit Texas
Hold'Em, the player after the blind can usually make a live raise
(before he gets any cards).  If a player makes a live raise, then the
player following him has the option of also making a live raise, and
so on, and if everyone at the table is in the mood to gamble the bet
can be capped before anyone gets a card.

When a new player sits down at the table, and wants a hand before the
blinds make their way around to him, many places require that he post
an amount equal to the big blind, and this post is live.  If a player
changes seats, and his seat change improves his position, he usually
has the option of waiting for the blind, or of posting an amount equal
to all of the blinds, but only the portion equal to the big blind will
be live.  A player missing a some of the blind because he is awwy from
the table is also usually required to wait for the big blind or to
post an amount equal to all of the blinds (and time as well at
Artichoke Joe's), and again only the portion equal to the big blind
will be live.  House rules on these points vary a lot from place to
place, and some places do not require a new player or a player
changing seats to post anything.
-- 
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        Domain: slandrum@ntg.com           UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!slandrum
 USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2468 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Subject: Re: Sports betting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.221015.6899@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>No, I didn't bet the Final Four.  Would've swept the board (yeah, right!!) for
>the three games, as I liked Duke, Michigan, and Duke.  Hold on, what was the
>final spread on the Duke-Indiana game?  Was it 2.5 (ESPN early line)?  Maybe
>I'd have lost that game if the line moved up.

I placed a bet on Indiana shortly before game time and got 2.5.  I was told
that it hit 3 at some point but I didn't get it.  Fortunately I only bet
one "unit" on that game and two "units" on Duke in the championship game.
I also bet one "unit" on a parlay Mets & Pirates on opening day, and won.

Jacko.
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Bay Area (California) cardroom experience
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:28:32 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 92Apr9081850@quilty.Stanford.EDU, daniel@quilty.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Weise) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.221843.17292@ntg.com> slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum) writes:
>
>   ...
>   two tables going, a 3-6 Hold'Em, and a dealer's choice.  They advertise
>   a 7-stud game (which is the reason that we went, one of my friends was
>   looking for a 7-stud game), and claim that they usually have one going
>   on Friday, but not this time.
>
>Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that California
>law only allowed card games where all of player's cards are dealt face
>down.  Therefore there is no stud in California card rooms.


That was the old interpretation of the law.  In the last 4 or 5 years
many local jurisdictions have taken into their own hands and interpreted
the law differently.  All forms of poker are now legal in California.
---

Mitch Sako - LSI Logic Corp		Phone  408-433-4187
internet:    msako@lsil.com		FAX    408-433-8796
uucp:        lsil!msako
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Betting on election offered?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:46:56 GMT

I have a friend who has a $20 private bet that Bush will win. S/he,
however, doesn't consider it gambling, but rather insurance.

- Carl

--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: Knight@AppleLink.apple.com (Eric Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: FAQ question
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:15:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer

Does the FAQ get posted here publicly or do I have to request it?

If I have to request it to be sent by mail, I am humbly doing so now.

Thanks,

Eric
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: States that have gambling
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:22:29 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Mar29.175134.44190@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>Bridgeport, CT is also interested in harboring a casino.

It's a sign o' the times when the politicians, devoid of
the intellect necessary to foster real economic development,
turn to what was once considered an immoral pursuit to
prop up the facade of their constituent locale.

Their strongest argument for this bleeding of economic
pressure away from production and consumption is, "but
those guys are doing it."

I wonder how much tar and how many feathers it would take
to completely railroad the combined legislatures of
Connecticut, Iowa, South Dakota, Colorado...

				--Blair
				  "Of course, immoral pursuits
				   are second nature to politicians;
				   just as the check-raise is second
				   nature to experienced poker players."