From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Telugu and Tamil
Keywords: Telugu and Tamil
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:10:21 GMT

In article <BuJwv9.Avo@rice.edu>, pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes:
> 
> In article <BuCJrC.JxG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> 
> |> In article <1992Sep8.172955.14867@b30.ingr.com>, shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
> 
> |> > Do you know that the Telugu word for Tamizh is "aravam" meaning "unmusical".
> |>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  [ lots of stuff deleted; I don't agree with many of your observations
     but, I don't wish to debate them at this time] 
> 
> Why don't you understand that you are programmed to see euphony in those sound
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> patterns and the way another person is programmed makes him think those patterns

        This argument can be used for anything ! It was my effort to
        communicate in a positive sense and not to defend Tamil . I think
        you are programmed to think that it was to defend (-:
        [ no offense meant, only light hearted fun ]

> sound silly? There is no dispute or debate here. One's sense of phonetic
> beauty will be developed based on the patterns he learns, after all.
> 
> If someone comes and says, "Telugu is a cacophonious language. It sounds
> horrible", I will not care. I will not get into lengthy debates and try to
> explain how euphonious Telugu is. I'll just ignore her/him. I just don't
> understand why some Tamils are so sensitive to this and start majorly defending
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

       No I don't think they are. The response i gave was not out of
       defence mentality but rather in the hope of communicating
       possibly some new thoughts, thats all.

> the euphonious nature of Tamil. And, someone (was it Kathivaran?) said Telugus
> suffered from an inferiority complex in this matter, huh!  ;-)
> 
> 
> |>           Regarding Bharathiyaar's "Sundara Telungu" , it is certainly a
> |>           "sORRu_patham" of Tamil's receptivity. [ soRRu_patham =
> |>            a test of a single grain of rice to assess the right stage/level
> |>            of cooking of a whole pot of rice. sORu=cooked rice,
> |>           patham= right level/stage of cooking]. Bharathiyaar certainly
> |>           stands testimony to the long line of poets of great receptivity.
> |>           For a Tamil the
> |>           words "Telugu" and "Telungu" will sound differently, the later
> |>           being considered more euphonious. Tamils consider Telungu
> |>           sweet. Please also know that the same Bharathiyaar had also sung
> |>           "yaam aRintha mozhigaLilE Thamizh mozhi pol inithaavathu..kaaNOm"
> |>           = Of all the languages I know I haven't found any as 
> |>            euphonious (inithu) as Tamil anywhere !! 
> |>            Even if you were to say that Tamil is "unmusical", I have
> |>            no trouble in concurring with you that Telungu is sweet, 
> |>            may be we have different ears (-: 
> 
> 
> Seriously, are you trying to say that Bharathiyaar just meant that the word
> "Telungu" sounded more sweet than the word "Telugu" did by "Sundara Telungu"?
> Don't you think he meant Telu[n]gu was a sweet language? Or, don't you think
> Telugu is a sweet language? May be you are not blessed with the same ears
> which Bharathiyaar was endowed with ....  ;-)

             No. I didn't mean that bharathiyaar mean just the word
             "Telungu" !!! ( see I didn't succeed in communicating
             (-:). Bharathiyar meant the euphonious Telungu language.
             **I** added the comment that for Tamils the word 
             "Telungu" will sound more euphonious than the word "Telugu".
             

> 
> 
> |>               (anbudan) Regards,
> |>                Selva Selvakumar
> 
> 
> Chill out
> PVR


anbudan ( = regards)
Selva Selvakumar