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From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Finder
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:20:54 EDT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465

When you quit the "Finder," you are given a dialog box.  The
normal highlighted option is "Shut Down (Turn..." I would like
the normal highlighted option to be "Quit to previous
application." i.e. ProSel.  HOW???      Thanks    Larry

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From: tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com (Tim Craven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RE: Flopticals
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:59:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep4.005912.1730
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Just for my information and maybe others out there.....

What are flopticals ??

I have a vague idea but wanted to see what all this talk about flopticals
is about.


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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Apple.MIDI driver bug...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:40:33 GMT

This is primarily directed at whichever of the DTS guys handles such things,
but informed replies from anyone else are welcome.  

There appears to be a bug in the System 5.0 and 6.0 (haven't tested earlier
ones) versions of the Apple.MIDI driver.  Specifically, after using any program
which starts it (synthLAB, MasterTracks, MegaTracker, et al) both serial 
channels will not work from either ProTERM or TelCom until a ^-OA-Reset reboot.
I suspect the driver is improperly shutting down the SCC, or alternatively
the comm programs aren't initializing it correctly. 

Thanks, 
Ian

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Visicalc Lives!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:26:44 GMT


Larry Virin writes "I wonder what the chance is that the GENIE folks could
trak down the (copyright) holders" of VisiCalc and make it available with
their Lost Classics project.

About 4-5 years ago, after Sierra Online re-released Mystery House as
freeware, I did manage to track down the copyright holder of VisiCalc and
attempted to convince him to re-release VisiCalc as freeware. Obviously, I
was not successful. When asked "what's in it for me?", I really couldn't
come up with a convincing arguement.

Joe Kohn
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Blackout Virus
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:44:33 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.


Anybody out there have a prog - or make a recommendation to eliminate the
"Blackout" virus?
From: connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Kana (Japanese) fonts, IIe
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:39:43 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Does anyone know whether there are kana (Japanese character) fonts
available for Apple II machines (128k, *not* IIGS).  Email or post
if you know of any.

Thanks.

--Leo Connolly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer)
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 2.0.1 killing keyboard
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:21:01 GMT

In article <2fwB036V70DI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.122438.29471@cs.uow.edu.au> jorgi@cs.uow.edu.au (George B Zamroz) writes:
>>Under some programs that use Prodos 8, I have found that the keyboard seems
>>to get lost. No input gets accepted, and even the Reset key is disabled. I
>>have also had the problem occur under the Orca shell. Anyone else having
>>similar problems?
>
>- If you have a //e, I don't know what's going wrong.
>
>- If you have a //gs, wiggle your keyboard cable when it happens.  Sometimes
>  the keyboard ADB connectors go bad.
>
>- If you are running P8 from GS/OS, make sure you don't have Easy Access
>  installed (unless you need it).  Ditto for CloseView.
>
>General comment: if you want help diagnosing a problem, give as many details
>as you can think of.
I just bought a used GS with the problems described above. I checked the keyboard (three screws to open) and indeed both ADB connectors had bad solder joints.
A quick touch with a small soldering iron and a little solder fixed that problem. The dealer wanted $85 + $110/hr service. However this did not solve the 
problem. I substituted a mouse from my Mac and everything worked perfectly.
Apparently a flakey mouse will create the same symptoms described.Needless
to say check both. The keyboard problem is common and very easy to fix.
I bought a new apple mouse but would instead recomend an ADB trackball which
I saw today in a local computer store for $37.50.



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From: ewile@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Erik Wile)
Subject: Re: Appleworks Translator
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:20:24 GMT

But, Norby said:
"So far I have been converting to text files and  back (and losing the
formatting)
Meaning converting to ASCII, which is what he didn't want.  Not that I have
an answer.  Often Mac' programs themselves will have file conversion
utilities...

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: When is the tick counter incremented?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:51:40 GMT

unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:

>I never heard about that.. Are there any more interesting details?

Plenty, but I purged myself of the need to expound on them a year and a half
ago, right here on c.s.a2. If you were here then, you would have seen most of
it; many of the posts were really long and I didn't save any of them. The only
way I remember most of it now is associatively, when specific questions come
up. Since most threads along this line inevitably lead to rampant Apple bashing
I'd rather not talk about it anymore. It's ironic, though, that many of the
lessons to be learned from the IIgs would probably improve the state of the
industry if only somebody paid attention to them. Don't get me started about
SPARCstations, for example; let's just say that the more I use one, the less
I want to buy one.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: PNP DEMO Fixed (Re: PnP Demo)
Keywords: does it work?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:46:35 GMT

In article <bazyar.714806164@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

[RE PNP not working...]
>
>  PNP doesn't futz with any BRAM settings.
>
>  Evidently it worked on all of our machines, and on all our tester's
>machines, but nobody else's :-( 
>
>  BUT- we figured out the problem and I just posted the patch program that fixes it to comp.binaries.apple2.

Hmm...it worked great on my system (when nothing else  does). A really neat
program.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:59:29 EDT

derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:

>  I'm having a problem having my Proterm 3.0 emulate VT-100 on my APple IIGS
>  When I use an UNIX editor (vi for example), it would not function the 
>  up/down arrows and right and left arrows do strange things. That's why
>  whenever I need to edit a file or to response alongside a reply, I use anoth
>  computer. I much rather use my own.  Any ideas?
> Scott Allen Steinbrink

The problem here could be with vi. I sometimes use teletype 4425 (don't 
laugh too hard) terminals to use vi on an Amdahl mainframe. The arrow keys 
will not work, even though my terminal emulation is set to vt100.

What I would suggest (and it would be easier for you to maneuver around 
your text once you have the commands memorized) is that you use the letter 
keys (h,j,k,l) to move around...

> NetCom: Derich@netcom.com
> CompuServe: 76106.2055@CompuServe.Com (Going out of accountness soon!)
> America Online: Derichman


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From: ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: >32-meg volumes
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:44:33 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue Aug 25 92 at 10:45:17 (EST)

>>     I recently bought another 140-meg drive (Rodime RO5000S) and I want to
partition it as a single HFS volume for archival purposes (my main drive
is still the 120-meg with only ProDOS volumes).  I have a RamFAST rev. D
with the 2.01e ROM's which doesn't give you anything larger than 32 megs.
I tried ADU (like you suggested) but it didn't work.  I can specify one
single 137.5-meg partition (in the partition map dialog) but when the
Initialize dialog comes up, it only shows 32 megs.  Should I temporarily
switch back to ROM 1.11 (I still have those), partition and put the ROM
2.01 back?
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Unless you're trying to do something special, you need the 3.0x ROMs to format
HFS past 32 megs.

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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: hfs fst
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:24:40 GMT

kgapp@gagme (Kevin Gapp) writes:

>Ok, here is a question about the HFS fst.
> The other day I pooped a old mac disks (1-2 years old) into the gs.
> A dialog box came up telling me that this was a MFS disk, and that
> System 6.0 can only read HFS disks.

MFS is the "flat" file system the Mac used before becoming a bit more sensible.
The easiest way to deal with those disks probably is to stuff them into a Mac
and write their contents to a HFS disk.

Yours

Soenke
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From: drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: plains.nodak.edu is once again receiving uploads
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20085
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


/pub/apple2/incoming has been reopened for uploads at plains.nodak.edu.

Please keep uploads to shareware/freeware software only.
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From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: I/O Controller
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 02:36:21 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

rheinze@lrc.edu writes:

> I have an old II+ that I would like to use to control 
> various items in my house.  Years ago there was an I/O
> board for the II+ that allowed one to hook up the controller
> system now sold by Radio Shack (I think).   This is the
> system that turns lights, appliances, etc on/off.
> 
> Does anyone have one of those old I/O boards or know where
> I can find it?   I think Mountain Computer might have made it.

 
        Yes, I would just happen to have such a controller... It's 
nothing spectacular, but here are the specs:
 
        -2 analog inputs
        -8 digital inputs
        -4 digital outputs (I suggest connecting to a multiplexer!!!)
   -driving software included.
 
                If you're interrested, just let me know, and how much 
you'd pay for it, ok?
 
                >>Baden<<


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Apple's Education sales & stats
Keywords: some interesting stats
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:09:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.141552.9752@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) writes:
>These are some stats about Apple's Education sales: (ripped w/o
>permission from Macweek)
>
>Apple, IBM Corp. and Tandy Corp. computers received good grades from
>the nation's K-12 public schools for the 1992-1992 school year.  The
>three companies accounted for 82% of an estimated 3 million personal
>computers purchased, according to Quality Education Data Inc., of Denver.
>
>
>                             Installed     Market Share
>                                  Base     Percentage
>
>Apple (total)................ 1,503,639    65.6
>  Apple II................... 1,326,528    57.8
>  Apple II GS................    78,353     3.4
>  Macintosh..................    99,758     4.4
>IBM Corp.....................   324,214    17.0
>Tandy Corp...................   185,782     7.2
>Commodore International......    87,982     3.8

Hmm...these statistics are very odd. Do theyrefer to the number of computers
sold in the 91/92 school year? Just to be clear here, were there 3 million
computers sold to schools in the US during 91/92, and only 7.8% used the
Finder (GS/Mac)? I find this just unbelievable. 
 
If these figures are to be believed, it would appear that schools are not 
moving to the Finder but to PC's. This is most discouraging.

In any case could you elaborate a bit more on these numbers? For instance,
do Commodore sales reflect mainly sales of the Amiga, C64, PC clones, etc...?

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: POSTMASTER@MC.DUKE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: stylewriter questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:45:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Durham NC, USA

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NO NAME SPECIFIED!                      
From:	BITNET::INFO-APPLE@APPLE.COM
To:	
Subj:	Re: stylewriter questions

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet & TimeLord
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:05:29 GMT

Someone wrote:
>anyone checked out the font editor or soundsmith player code yet?

Yes.  The font editor is only for the special font used for the intro scroll,
not normal GS fonts.  The SS player code is almost untouched from H. Aalbers
meaning it uses around 500-1000 cycles more per update than it should.  (as
The Great Optimizer once said "sheesh, these french guys, can't even optimize
code" :-)


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From: Paul.Benson@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Looking for TOM PHELPS
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:46:29 GMT
Organization: IBM - PS/1 Development

In <Btv6wr.9oq@well.sf.ca.us> Joe Kohn writes:
>Dean just called me, and wanted me to pass on a message. It seems like BRCC
>has finally secured the rights to the Lost Infocom Classics. I think they'd
>like to pay you some $$$$ to use your Infocom ProDOS based front end.

Wow, if this is true, GREAT!  I'll definitely buy them, especially if ProDOS
based.  I always wondered why Infocom didn't do this for the II's.  I guess
I'll have a couple of repeats, but the price/package cost should be great.
Thanks Joe for leaking some of this incider information (sorry, couldn't
resist).

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: pengt@generic.uucp (Tom Peng)
Subject: For Sale
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:31:51 GMT
Summary: fOR SALE 
Keywords: For Sale Apple 2GS IIGS :)

 
Apple IIgs for sale
-------------------
 
Due to my financial mis-management, I will have to part with my GS system.
Selling my GS is never my intention if the circumstances did not dictate...
Have to pay for my tuition and live at the same time :)
 
 
Hardware:
 
Apple IIgs ROM 1 w/ 256K RAM, Keybaord, Mouse
Apple RGB Analog Monitor
Generic 4Meg RAM board w/ 2Meg installed
Apple IIgs memory board fully populated with 1Meg (cannot use concurrently
with
        the Generic board)
Apple IIgs 800K 3.5 inch disk drive
[more..]  
Apple IIgs 140K 5.25 inch disk drive
Apple SCSI card Rev. C
80 MB Seagate SCSI drive w/ case, fan, cable in one handsome unit
Applied Engineering Conserver (fan, and power center with surge protection)
SmartOne Hayes compatible 2400 baud modem
Applied Engineering Sonic Blaster
ComputerEyes Digitizer for the GS
Applied Engineering I/O 32 board for controlling real world devices
Apple Imagewriter II
Gravis Joystick
 
Software:
 
System Software 6.0     (The most up to date operating system)
Orca/M 2.0              (Must for programmers)
TML Pascal II           (Must for Pascal programmers)
Appleworks GS v1.1      (the BEST integrated application for GS)
Music Studio v2.0       (Great for composing music on the GS)
Sensible Grammar        (A grammar checker for the GS)
DeskPak                 (Some of the most useful desk accessories)
The King of Chicago     (Great game! Play the character in a mob movie)
 
[more..]  
          
Books:
 
The Big Tip Book for the Apple II series
Inside the Apple //c
Apple ProDOS: Advanced features for programmers
Inside the Apple IIgs
Apple IIgs technical reference manual
Exploring the Apple IIgs
Programming the 65816: Including 6502, 65c02, 65802
Apple IIgs assembly language programming
Programming the Apple IIgs in Assembly language
 
 
On top of that:
 
Hundereds of disks      (All the softwares you will ever need)
Hard drive full of software (music, graphics, games, utilities, etc)
Hundreds of issues of Nibble, Incider, A+, APDA, etc.
Megabytes of MODs, Graphics Files, and Source codes.
My complete set of notes on programming the GS written by my own hand since
        1985 (Including Applesoft, Assembly, ACOS, GS Toolbox programming)
[more..]  
          
*** This is the ideal system for anything you need to do with a computer,
especially programming!!! ***
 
*** Since I am getting out of the Apple II arena, I will give you everything
that I will no longer need (books, magasines, softwares, notes, etc)
 
I have invested over $10,000 since 1987 on this system, and is willing to part
with it for only:
 
                        CAN$ 2,250
                        US $ 1,875
 
Buyer is responsible for transportation (you will need a car with a huge
trunk).
 
Serious buyer please reply by email, and we may even arrange for a test drive.
:w
:q
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: LaserWriter Driver in 6.0.1
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:06:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed Aug 26 92 at 20:51:51 (EST)

> From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
> Talking about a possible new LW driver, is there any hope that it would 
> support Postscript level 2?

Hmmm, Phillip, I think when Matt Deatherage mentioned some of the changes in
the Laserwriter driver for GS System 6.0, that one of those changes was
Postscript Level 2...EXCEPT for color support. At least that's how I remember
it right now. (I.E. I think the current drivers support PS level 2, unless you
try to use color, which you shouldn't since it does nasty things).

                    -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
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From: usr6473a@TSO.UC.EDU (Christopher Tarnowieckyi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: Flopticals from AE
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:54:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hey AE was handing out infomational sheets at the Apple Central Expo a.k.a.
Kansas Fest, that described their new floptical and had the following 
number for support or information calls: 1-800-554-MACS.  So don't be so
hasty to assume that you will have to use a 900 number!

Chris Tarnowieckyi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tooly@zelator.in-berlin.de (Theo Schneider)
Subject: Re: SyQuest removable drives on the GS?
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 08:57:32 GMT

Hi there,

you can use an SyQuest and the Rev C SCSI with some limits.
When You start your System, the SyQuest must be on and an cartrige
must be in there. You can than remove the cartridge bust never make
the Syquest out. When you change to P8 and back to GS/OS an cartridge
must be insert. 

With an High Speed SCSI or an RamFAST all work fine.

Best regards from Germany

  Theo

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Subject: Re: Apple SCSI card
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:02:57 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <9208312256.tn02363@aol.com> christarno@aol.com writes:
> I have an Apple SCSI card and I need to know if it is Rev. C.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to determine this?
> 
> It has one EPROM that has a label with the following:
> 
>      341-0437-A
>      (c) Apple '87
> 

Yes, that is the revision C ROM (I have one of these cards in my
second IIgs, and I had the card at the time the ROM upgrade was
performed).  The revision A ROM is "341-0112A" and has no date on the
label.

> Also, anyone got any idea how to set the jumper block on the pins to id the
> board?

Exactly one pair MUST be shorted.  The front pair corresponds to SCSI
ID 0, and the back pair is SCSI ID 7.  The card should normally be set
to ID 7 (this is the same as the Macintosh's SCSI ID, so very few hard
drives will be set to this ID).
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