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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Using an IBM keyboard with an Atari ST
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:32:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Nov17.153244.11952
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

The D.E.K.A. keyboard adapter kit has received some pretty good reviews of
late (most recently in Current Notes, Nov 92, pg 75).  Adopting a MSTE
keyboard would be the easiest, but if you must go with a PC unit, the D.E.K.A.
thingie offers a good solution, it seems.
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:06:51 GMT

In article <92321.132102JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu>, J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
[stuff deleted]

|>       Well, not to add fuel to the fire, but...
|> 
|>       In the latest issue of Current Notes, Dave Small says, and I quote:
|> 
|>       'It's a 16 MHz 68030 on a 16-bit bus (NOT 32 bit, contrary to Atari's
|>        spec's....'

    So it runs on a 16-bit bus then.... ouch!


|> ------------------
|> J.J. Lehett     : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math....
|> 
|>   - Work: JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu           Penn State CAC
|>   - Genie: J.LEHETT2
|>   - Delphi: JLEHETT@delphi.com

- Raist
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
	<H.QHklPxgdMm2@fredrik.atari.no> <28341@castle.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov19.043306.17354@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <28422@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:13:38 -0800

In <28422@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>And how do you intend to plug your 32 Ram expansion in?
>The PDS internal slot is 16/24 bit.
>The processor is surface mounted.
>Umm... not much else is there?

	If you get a copy of the latest Znet, there's an article from Jim
Allen taken off GEnie that says basically that he's found a way to do
it, but is trying to get info out of Atari, not always the easiest thing
to do, about how the blitter lets the processoror know it's on the bus.
I beleive he found a plug in to SMD adapter, but if the blitter doesn't
communicate properly with the processor, it won't know when the cache
data was invalidated or something like that. Sorry to be vague, but I'm
not really a hardware type. Anyway, dig up Znet, and check out the
letter. 
	ZNet should be on a.a soon, I wouldn't bother looking for alt.znet,
as from my readings in alt.config, I beleive all US gateways have it x'd
out because of some misunderstandings on it's creation. It sure hasn't
shown up here, and my feed creates every newgroup that comes through.
	Anyone in North America see an alt.znet group?


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From: 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS)
Subject: Ignore last message
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:04:12 GMT

Please ignore my last message ("16 bit data bus on Falcon?").
I have just seen the specs from the Aust. Atari importer, and it seems the 
Falcon does have a 16 bit wide data bus, and 24 bit address bus.
O.K. I admit it! I was wrong! You can sue me if you like, but I can't 
guarantee any payouts, as I don't have any money or assets, so there!

Big Stu.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:06:45 GMT

marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
: 
: >C'mon folks, let's get real here, OK?
: 
: >Personally, I don't give a twit if the Falcon has a 32, 16, 8 or 2-3/4 data
: >bus... as long as it performs and performs well in consideration of its cost!
: 
: But the point is that a '030 on a 16 bit data bus isn't going to perform
: nearly as well as an '030 on a 32 bit bus.  The 16 bit bus will affect
: almost all aspects of the machines performance.  There were rumours that
: the 'true colour' modes would cause contention over a 32 bit bus.  The
: 16 bit bus will not improve graphics throughput any.

Why do people complain about things they haven't even seen? Just because 
32 is 2 times 16 it doesn't mean the falcon would be 2 x faster if it had
a 32 bit bus. And the video subsystem DOES have 32 bit access to memory.

: [..]

: The Falcon is not without competition.  The A1200 looks considerably
: better, simply due to the fact that it is a true 32 machine.

Just try to compare the A1200 at 640x480x256 with the falcon at the same
speed - the A1200 slows down to the speed of an A500 with that resolution,
while the falcon 030 is about 2.5-3 times faster than a 8MHz ST. Does the
A1200 still look better now? It's no point in discussing and complaining 
about the falcon's design if you don't even know how it looks. It's very
cleverly done, IMHO.

: The fact that the Falcon only has a 16 bit bus might not deter people
: who own an ST from upgrading to the Falcon, but Atari desperately needs
: to attract buyers who would otherwise have purchased a PC.  Crippling
: the Falcon to reduce the price was not the way to do it.

"Crippling to reduce the price"... hah... If people are so stupid to 
think the falcon 030 is slower than an A1200 because it has a 16 bit bus,
they deserve the A1200... :)

: >Sure, a lower throughput bus probably would limit the _potential_ of the
: >machine, but there _are_ considerations that were made for compatability with
: >older ST/STe software.  You don't have to like it, but be reasonable.
: 
: No, these consideration were due to one thing only - cost.

Yeah, sure! You know better...

: As for compatability, a UK magazine testing games on the Falcon found that
: they all worked fine provided they did not use the sound chip.
: A grand total of 3 I believe.

Hmm... sounds like the usual amiga-(f)lamer-add-on to his posting...

: >All IMHO, of course.  :)
: 
: Of course.
: 
: 	Mark

Heh...

-MY
From: knarf@nasim.sta.sub.org (Frank Bartels)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Installation of TOS 1.4 (6 chip set)
Keywords: TOS 1.4, 1040STf, help
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:59:34 GMT
Organization: Knarf's UUCP-Center, Munich, West-Germany
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:

>In article <BxIJo7.F0F@unx.sas.com> snoret@egon.unx.sas.com (Rick Tatem) writes:
>>I just got my TOS 1.4 6 chip set from Toad Computers, but they didn't
>>include any instructions!

>TOS 1.4 Installation:-

>Loc	Cksm	Part No.	Chip

>U2	2097	C300641-001	HI-2
>U3	2AAA	C300642-001	HI-1
>U4	F6F2	C300643-001	HI-0
>U5	9FC5	C300644-001	LO-2
>U6	305D	C300645-001	LO-1
>U7	64BB	C300646-001	LO-0

>Part numbers probably only apply to UK sets but the rest will be legit.
>Hope this helps.

Could anyone please tell me the Part No.'s of the six EPROMS I'll need
to use for making TOS 1.4 EPROMS?

Knarf
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From: Tom.Mack@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Tom Mack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: How to write CPX-modules
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 20:56:52 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

I've got an example assembly source I downloaded from genie. The only problem
is all the comments are in german, If it can be any help to you I've already
uploaded it to both Tampa Bay Oracle and Happy Hideaway BBS's.

                                                    Tom....



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From: matthew@hitech.com.au (Matthew Smith-Stubbs)
Subject: Wanted : GFA Basic Manual
Organization: HI-TECH Software, Brisbane, QLD, Australia.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:17:45 GMT
Keywords: wanted,GFA,atari

Hi out there !
		I am looking for a manual for GFA Basic version 3.5. I got my
copy of a CoverDisk from a magazine called ST Format. It included a *short*
reference manual (141 pages approx.) Unfortunately this isn't much help in 
the way of BIOS commands, (or much else, for that matter). So I am looking for a
manual either second hand (unlikely I'll find one) or cheap firsthand. Otherwise
I'll order one from the distributor. ANY info at all would be most helpful.

Thanks in advance,
		Matthew                  /|\
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From: 10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS)
Subject: 16 bit data bus on Falcon?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:00:06 GMT

From what I undersatand of motorola microprocessors, the 68030 has a 32 bit 
wide data and address bus, therefore the Falcon must use the same. Still, I 
could be wrong, I'm just an Engineering student.

Big Stu.
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: 16-bit RAM Access on Falcon ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:33:01 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez) writes:
>    I suggest that you read signatures before replying.... the guy above
> seems to work for an entertainment software company and I think that
> he knows better.
> - Raist
>   BLAME ATARI, they deserve it.

  Bullpuckey.  He's an Amigan.  He's not CAPABLE of knowing better.  For 
that matter, you aren't either.  Why not take your silly flames back to 
advocacy, where you can be with your fellow fools?
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-2078)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Misc. Ramblings
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:37:32 GMT

Related to the Falcon Bus width being 16 bits.

> Sure, a lower throughput bus probably would limit the _potential_ of the
> machine, but there _are_ considerations that were made for compatability with
> older ST/STe software.  You don't have to like it, but be reasonable.
>
> All IMHO, of course.  :)
>
> ___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________


I agree, I am not thrilled by this but I'll just keep the TT another
year or so. (My wife is wiping the sweat from her brow)



And on another thought ...

The Atari lineup will look as follows:

        Processor          Cost     85mb HD	Color Monitor
	1040STe		 $399.00    $500.00	$350.00
	Falcon030	 $800.00    $300.00	$400.00 (low end multi-sync)
	TT		$1200.00    $300.00	$400.00 (see above)

Some people will agrue that monitors are not needed for the 1040 and
the Falcon, because they already have a monitor. But to a new computer
user they will need a slow monitor for the 1040, or a multi-sync for
the Falcon. TV's are good for viewing animations but don't try and
use them as a monitor.

As strange as it may seem to most Atari Fanatics these are reasonable
prices for the each machines target market. What we need is visibility
in the market place. PC-Clones were not sold by IBM advertising them.
They were sold by being compatible with, and even better than, the IBM
PC.

Macintoshes are not sold on advertising, they are sold on the basis
of what they can accomplish for the user. The advertising just reminds
you that they are still available. Something Atari should think about.


Yet another thought. <- YAT (Could this be the next Unix command?

Just enjoy your machine. My systems do everything I want, at a price I
can afford. (My wife has other opinions on this)


Brian, WS1S
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
bjgrier@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: lcoe@convex.com (Loren Coe)
Subject: IBM compatible CGA moniter on ST (?) / connector source
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:08:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: TOS 2.05 vs 2.06 ?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:48:12 GMT

OK, here's an easy one.  Someone asked me the other day what the differences
between TOS 2.05 and 2.06 were.  I understood there were just a couple of
minor bug fixes but is there more?  Does 2.05 support the 1.44Mb format?
Just curious so I'll have the right answers the next time.
---

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_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Ignore last message
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:37:05 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

10616330@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (STUART ROBERTS) writes:

>Please ignore my last message ("16 bit data bus on Falcon?").
>I have just seen the specs from the Aust. Atari importer, and it seems the 
>Falcon does have a 16 bit wide data bus, and 24 bit address bus.

:-)  At least you apologised before you were flamed.  Many wouldn't.

>O.K. I admit it! I was wrong! You can sue me if you like, but I can't 
>guarantee any payouts, as I don't have any money or assets, so there!

Damn - Looks like I'll have to get a job over Christmas after all :-)

>Big Stu.

	Mark
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From: mike@r-node.gts.org (Mike Stramba)
Subject: Does Gulam use TERMCAP?
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:24:38 GMT

I use Gulam all the time, but only recently have started playing with the
terminal emulator. I see in the doc file, there is mention of a termcap emtry,
with which the author stated 'we have used this with `vi and `emacs.

If I set the TERMCAP variable to TERMCAP = "d:\termcap", with the file
d:\termcap containg the term def, will Gulam actually use it? I tried it, and
connected to a dos-ansi system. It wasn't working, .... should it?

Mike
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From: seibert@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Ewald Seibert)
Subject: Re: VIDEO questions
Originator: seibert@hphalle4i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:16:07 GMT


In article <18NOV92.10087717.0081@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, Alan Edwards <EDWR@UNB.CA> writes:
|> I have been using Ataris for years to do MIDI things, but
|> recently have decided to get into using video projection
|> in my concerts.
|> I need to know a few things:
|> 1. is unmodulated video available from the Mega? (this is what
|>     I need to give to the projector)

the Mega has no unmodulated-video ... but you can mix it with some resistors

|> 2. what is required to do external genlock. The Mega is capable
|>     of this...but I have not seen any boxes that hook up to
|>     do it.

only with changing the internal clock-rate ... the STEs are capable with
external sync ..(from the monitor-jack)

|> Thanks to anyone who can answer these for me.
|> Alan
|> 


Greetings,
			Jackintosh
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From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Hard disk with ADSCSI.....Help!
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:36:27 GMT

[ ... message deleted ... ]

Actually, it sounds like you are at the perfect place to run ICDs
hard disk formatter. The first thing that the program will show you
is all of the devices it can find. It will display the name of the
device next to the SCSI ID. Since it obtains the name from the
devices itself will be testing your cable at that time.

Unless this drive was formatted on an ST/STe/TT you most likely will
not get a hard drive icon until you have formatted and partitioned
the drive.

Again it sounds like you need to run the formatting program to start
verifying your setup.


Brian, WS1S
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
bjgrier@bnr.ca
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From: kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate)
Subject: ** Midi Equip for sale **
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:06:58 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.atari.st ]
[ Author was Kevin D. Slate ]
[ Posted on Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:43:49 GMT ]


	For sale: the following midi equipment. 


	Casio CZ-5000 - Full size midi keyboard with built in 8 track
sequencer. Excellent cond.			$425.00  B/O

	Casio CZ-101 - mini midi keyboard, four mono voices, excellent
sound module. Excellent cond.			$140.00  B/O

	Roland TR-505 - durm machine, 16 voices pcm sound, excellent
cond.						$150.00  B/O

	Boss Mixer - 6 input stereo out, excellent cond.
						$70.00  B/O

	Yamaha YME-8 - midi through box, 2 in, 8 out, switchable,
excellent cond.					$65.00  B/O

	Keyboard Stand - Custom to hold the two keyboards, drum machine,
and mixer. excellent cond.			$65.00  B/O






email offers and tell me if it includes shipping or not.

Kevin
From: an938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (George II Lenzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Using an IBM keyboard with an Atari ST
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:27:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


	My last posting got a little messed up, so I will try 
this again.  Does anyone know of a way to connect an IBM style 
keyboard to an Atari ST via a D.I.Y. circuit that does not use
the MIDI ports, or the serial port?  I have a newer ST which 
has the mouse/joy ports built onto the back of the keyboard, so
these would have to be transplanted too.  Is there any info on 
intelligent keyboard interface itself?  Maybe a way to transfer
that to an IBM?
	My main angle here is to put my 520 STfm into a tower
case so as to save desk space and add modularity to my system.
I know that others have done this, so...  If you're out there,
please give me any suggestions that you may have.  

						Thanks,
						George II Lenzer
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From: kbad@netcom.com (Ken Badertscher)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:23:03 GMT

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:

|The upper 2 MB of the 16 MB are wasted because the memory-mapped I/O
|registers live there. [...]

And the system ROM.

|I wonder why they didn't add in a control bit to
|bank-switch that last 2 meg in. Oh well.

Cost.  I advocated bank-switching the extra 2 meg during the later
stages of the Falcon030 design, but it turned out that it would have
been tough to do for a reasonable cost.  Re-layout of boards, already
multiplexing bits on the memory controller, etc. etc.

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From: matthew@hitech.com.au (Matthew Smith-Stubbs)
Subject: GFA Basic Manual Wanted
Organization: HI-TECH Software, Brisbane, QLD, Australia.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:00:43 GMT
Keywords: GFA,atari,wanted

HI !
	I got a copy of GFA Basic from a CoverDisk on the magazine ST Format.
The only problem is they gave you a refernece manual on disk but you had to
order the full manual (this was a bit pricey for my budget ). So I need to
order a GFA Basic manual from the supplier (whoever that is) or by a secondhand
one (unlikely), or a cheap new one. Any suggestions ?

Thanx,


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From: sjg@phwoof.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Subject: Re: MiNT distribution version 2.0
Keywords: MiNT
Organization: King's College London Image Processing Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:46:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Whoops. Suppose I'd better tell you all where the machine with the ftp service is

It's actually at dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk

Sorry about that,

				Simon.
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From: sjg@phwoof.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Subject: MiNT distribution version 2.0
Keywords: MiNT
Organization: King's College London Image Processing Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:58:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi,
Well, after lots of late-night hacking (I've fallen out with virtually everybody
in our house!), I've got a set of 9 disks that I've put in the ftp-able dir.

You'll find them in the pub/MiNT directory, with documentation (a PostScript
file) in Docs/, the disks themselves in Distribution/, and an atari, a Sun, and
a Dec binary of Zoo in Zoo/

This is the first release of this set, so there are almost certainly some
problems that need to be sorted out. If you feel brave, or if you fancy helping
me out, please have a go at installing it. I need some feedback as to how I
should go about improving it. I got *no* mail back about the last kit, (though
I think that was more to do with my mail being screwed at the time), so any
info gratefully recieved.

If you do want to mail me, then the address that seems to work is ...

	sjg@phlim.ph.kcl.ac.uk

although the address of preference (which ought to be working RSN) is

	sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk

Simon.