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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: A lousy night out on the road...(or, how to keep bike from freezing?)
Keywords: cold-weather cycling
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:32:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:
>[Everything froze up in the slush.]

First, get the FAQ and read Pete's winter cycling tips.

Second, things work better if you can find a good gear and stick to it.
In my experience the rear parallelogram freezes first, so sometimes you
can use the front shifter to ride as a 2-speed or 3-speed.  Eventually
things freeze up enough you're on a one-speed, and finally the muck in
the freewheel gets packed up enough that you're left skipping about.

What's best is an n-speed hub with a fixed-length chain.  The single
cog in back is completely clear on one side and has only the wheel on
the other.  Further, the chain exerts a lot of force if it tries to
ride up on the snow.

>[How about a boot for the rear's parallogram?]

I never tried when I lived in snow country, but I did for rain: pull
the derailleur from the frame and take off the pull wire.  Slide over a
length of fat tire inner tube.  Use small-tire inner tube rubber bands
to hold it tight.  The boot will wear out eventually but works in the
meanwhile.  I used to slide a WD-40 spritzer under the boot and spray
just a bit monthly.  I don't know how much that contributed to the
demise of the rubber.  When the boot finally fell apart the
parallelogram looked clean.  I did sometimes have problems with the
rubber boot hanging up and keeping the derailleur from the smallest
cog.  I think a fatter tube (I was using 1.5") would solve the problem.
For reasons unknown to me, I haven't put boots on any of my bikes
recently.

BTW, the SunTour Sealed Tech solved the exposed parallelogram problems.
It was a clever design that was killed by a weak implementation.  I got
mine for the price of reassembling it and it served me faithfully until
something that was broken before self-destructed again.  In the
meanwhile, it never siezed in the snow, stayed clean inside, and
shifted reasonably well for a derailleur of it's day.
From: Tim.Cahill@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Tim Cahill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Seeking Touring Bike Recommendations
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:26:07 GMT

I agree with you and Mary. The Trek 520 is a very good choice. My second choice 
would be the Miyata 700GT.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training)
Subject: Re: Running down bicyclists
Organization: Not just another pretty face.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.232257.27557@r1info.intel.com>
jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:

>> When she
>> had recovered enough to pick her bike up from the precinct, the officer
>> who returned it gave her a lecture -- "You must be crazy to ride your
>> bike in this neighborhood."  

>Given the South Bronx's  reputation as a hellhole I'm sure this opinion 
>had nothing to do with anti-cyclist sentiment. A cyclist is even more  
>more of crime target than a pedestrian since they've obviously got something
>worth stealing.  Even people in cars aren't safe from muggers on foot.
>Bonfire of the Vanities wasn't entirely a work of fiction.

Not true.  First of all, "Bonfire of the Vanities" was a work of satire
that exaggerated many things in order to produce the effect the author
wanted to create in the reader.  Don't take it as gospel.  And yes, this
does have to do with anti-cyclist sentiment -- the cop returning the
bicycle was blaming the victim for the accident.  If the neighborhood is
not safe to ride a bicycle in it's because there are too many cops who
think like the one above.

As far as crime targets go, people who live in "hellhole" neighborhoods
are usually the biggest victims of crime there.  Middle-class people usually
go to the cops when they're mugged -- when you're poor or otherwise
estranged by society, you don't go to the cops with your problems because
they'll just treat you worse.

Finally, I've done lots of riding around the South Bronx, and never got
anything more than the occasional dirty look (which was made up for by
an order of magnitude more smiles).  I think the rest of the net will
testify that crazy drivers know no boundaries...
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From: jv04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES VOROSMARTI)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:29:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Apr5.162643.26989@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (
Terry Thiel) writes:
>mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) writes:
>>In the latest Velo-News there is a news story that FOX will show the
>>TDF live! All stages from start to finish. Looks like some late night /
>>early mornings for me in July.
>I beleive that was an April fools joke.  I bought into it at first but when the
ymentioned giving Bart Simpson dolls to the stage winners I got suspicious....
>-Terry
>

I was almost taken by the whole center section of Velonews.  I was just
reading the ads, and was wondering about the Velonews 20 anniversary plate for
only 4 equal installments on your phone bill of $39.95 with a shipping charge
of $40.00.  What, for a lousy plate?

Also the ad next to it for some "performance enhancing" drug  -- looked
illegal to me.  that's when i noticed the date on the bottom of the page -
April 1, 1992,   when the rest of the paper had April 6, 1992.  ha ha ha

ttfn james
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ewk@stingray.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Riding Down Stairs
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:30:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr14.163052.1061
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

In <1350@hydra.bucknell.edu> mhaggrty@bucknell.edu (michael haggerty `93) writes:


>Howdy!


>I was wondering what effect riding down stairs on a Mountain Bike can have on the bike.  I ride around on my campus a lot, and in many situations it is just easier to go down a few stairs than to go around a building.  Am I screwing my bike up gradually?  Nothing seems to be greatly effected.  Any comments?

Mountain bikes are built for that.  I wouldn't worry about it.  You'll need
to true your wheels eventually anyways.  My ATB has survived a lot worse!

>Mike (mhaggrty@bucknell.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Driver's License as only acceptable ID
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:02:46 GMT

jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece) writes:
>In article <jimf.701996575@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Consider that the only forms of identification accepted by many
>>organizations are the drivers license and the passport.  A
>>state-issued ID is not acceptable.  

>A big part of the problem is all those photo shops that sell "ID cards"
>that mimic state-issued ID cards, omitting just enough detail to avoid
>being guilty of outright forgery.  About the only people who accept
>state-issued ID cards are the police...

The MA state identifications are licenses with the exception that they
say "for identification purposes only" rather than "driver's license"
and they have no expiration date.

The idea behind both the MA non-driver's ID and the MA liquor-ID is
that there are a lot of cases where you cannot get a driver's license
or cannot get a MA driver's license.

Where it falls down is that people just don't consider a state-issued
non-driver's ID to be equivalent to a driver's license even though
each requires the same base identification when it is obtained.  The
passport office told me "you can get the ID in twenty minutes while it
takes at least several days to get a driver's license."

>> In MA I've personally been denied
>>a checking account at BayBank (I had two MA-issued identifications --
>>one non-drivers and one liquor, and my original birth certificate and
>> SS card at the time), a passport...

>I would suspect that lots of Americans have never been abroad and have 
>therefore never had occasion to see a US passport. Especially the low-paid
>clerks, tellers, bartenders and bouncers who do most of the ID-checking.

... actually the passport is the only form of ID besides a driver's
license that I've had universally accepted.  It's a little unusual but
most places run into them from time to time.  Sometimes they won't
take foreign passports as ID because different countries show dates
differently -- 02/12/66 could be either February 12 or December 2
depending on the country.  Newer passports correct the ambiguity by
giving dates as a month/day month/year pair rather than a single
triple (eg 02/12 02/66).

Anyway my whole point was that in my personal experience the lack of a
driver's license meant the lack of many services and privileges which
are unrelated to driving purely because our society believes that
everyone drives.

Happy hacking,

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lore & Jargon
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:20:01 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <9204162043.AA04414@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>On the lore front, Leonard Zinn reveals the secrets of how Sean Kelly
>wins races like Milan - San Remo.  He does it by skillful descending
>aided by 'countersteer'.  I guess Zinn hasn't consciously been aware of
>how a bicycle is ridden or he was sucked in by the countersteer cult,
>sort of like the backswing cult of baseball batting.
>
I could not believe that this article was printed.  Maybe I am one of
the few people who figured out how a bike steers (Jobst and me :) )
years ago and took it for granted that if you rode you knew how to ride.
I had the same experience several years ago when I took a motorcyle
saftey course--they proclaimed how wonderful countersteering was.  It
seemed that all that was accomplished was confusion.  

Let me explain.  Given a bicycle or motorcycle, if you ride it you
figure out how it works or you crash a lot.  When somebody tells you
explicitly how it works but presents it as a new and different way
you think about it too much and then start doing weird things because
you aren't riding you are thinking.

>With journals like Velo-speak myth and lore is in good hands.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:53:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.214232.10660@uunet.uu.net!trintex> elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.175759.3654@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>>>   on on the sidewalk will seldom be noticed.  In addition,
>>>   riding (or driving) too close to parked cars will eventually
>>>   result in a collision with an opening door.
>>
>>Preferable to having a car swerve in front of you to get into traffic.
>
>Maybe preferable to having a car swerve in front of YOU, but I will
>take my chances bicycling in the middle of the lane any day of the
>week.  Car doors are stationary -- at least the car cutting me off is
>still moving and I have some time to react.  Also, the obnoxious driver
>cutting me off when I'm in the middle of the lane usually sees me first,
>and has taken some rudimentary precautions not to scratch the paint on
>his/her cage.  A bozo who throws their car door open in my path is not
>paying any attention to the road at all.
>
>Be careful saying what's "preferable" unless you've had a chance to try
>both options...

I HAVE seen the aftermath of both options. In the case of the car door, there
was a very pissed off biker and a damaged bicycle. In the case of the car
swerving into traffic, the guy was rushed to the ER at UCSF (he made after
3 days in ICU).

Mike
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From: kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory)
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.205607.20972@chpc.utexas.edu>
ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:
>...  Short of replacing the QR with a regular
>bolt, has anyone come up with a method of securing a QR at least enough
>to slow the thief down?

I found a replacement cam that uses a 5mm hex wrench. It cost about $5,
and was an easy replacement for the original cam/lever. Check your bike 
shop.

-kdg
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Saddle advice sought
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) writes:
>
>Another alternative would be getting one of the stiff leather saddles like the
>San Marcos Regal or the Sella Italia Leader. I believe that these take
>a while to wear in but are very comfortable when they're worn in.

Note that the San Marco Regal is not an all-leather saddle but only
appears so because of its large rivets in the back.  Many racers find
this to be a very comfortable saddle, although its construction is leather
over foam over plastic, like most other racing saddles.

I've been using a Flite saddle for the past 3 weeks (~600 miles) and
it's the most comfortable I've ever tried.  Previously I'd been using
a Concor Profil saddle which made me numb after 30 or so miles.  Saddles
I couldn't stand were the Cinelli Volare (looks like Concor) and Turbo.

David Mackintosh
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 15:50:57 EDT
From: <CBC107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Buyers Co-op

Why is Nashbar able to sell a deraileur for $30 when the bike shops want $45?
It's called buying power.  Why do we keep fueling the bicycle market with it's
double and triple cost profit margins?  Let's form a coop.  Chris
dealers that double and sometimes triple  their profit margins at the expense
of the enthusiast.  It takes very little effort and some basic organization to
establish a buyers cooperative, where the members will realize huge savings
while a small amount is retianed for overhead.  Face it, manufacturers will get
 the same amount for their products whether they sell them to a shop or to a
coop.  Through some simple 1-800 inquiry, I've found several companies who have
"no minimum" order policies, but whose wholesale prices go down through quantit
y ordering.  These companies are typically smaller European and American manufa
cturers/distibuters who generally put out a higher quality product but sell les
s of them.  Let's organize.    Chris








From: huehn@hppad.waterloo.hp.com (Rob Huehn)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:37:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
From: jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tour of Flanders and Euro Racing Scene
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:00:26 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <16190227@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, gosch@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Gosch) writes:
|> >
|> >From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
|> >
|> >If I am a domestique and my team leader orders me to chase, then I will
|> >do it, no questions asked.  However, if the leader of another team
|> >asks me to chase, I am less likely to help him.  Why?  Because I receive
|> >no benefit from it but, while I am helping this leader justify his huge
|> >salary that may be as much as 20-30 times greater than mine.  In this
|> >instance, the only way I am going to chase is if I get paid for it.
|> >
|>  Perhaps I'm overlooking something, but . . .
|> 
|>  Why would a domestique from one team do what the leader of another team
|>  tells him to do in the first place?  Isn't the whole idea to do what
|>  YOUR team owner/manager/leader tells you to do?
|> 
|>  Just curious :)
|> 
|>  Bill (You think I'm slow mentally?  You should see me ride.) G.


	It might be in the interest of your team to help out his
team, although that's for whoever is directing your team's effort 
to decide, often times that quality of CCCD is not possible in the
peloton and you have to think for yourself whether you're going to 
help him chase.

	jon "I think I'll just lie down now..."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:41:32 GMT

In article <3377@equinox.unr.edu> sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>A while ago, someone named Pamela posted a series of interesting articles
>about the preparation and riding of the PBP.  A friend of mine is starting
>a training program for this and is interested at this point in the quali-
>fying rides.  
>
>If anyone saved the articles, or if Pamela herself could reply, I'd appreciate
>it.

That would be me. Mike Iglesias, keeper of the FAQ, has made them available
by anonymous FTP. The FAQ is posted monthly and he tells how to get these
and other articles he has saved. 

I changed jobs recently and somehow managed to lose the tape with all
my articles, or I would send them directly. I guess one of these days
I'll have to figure out how to retrieve things from anon-ftp myself.

BTW, there are quite a few randonneurs who read this group, but are 
a little less *vocal* than me, so you have a lot of resources here
with lots of experience that can offer your friend advice. 

Is this friend planning to do Boston-Montreal-Boston this summer? Is
anyone out there planning on this ride? It's not too late to start
training!!




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From: dockd@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: STI caused crash
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:17:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Here is some advice that sounds really stupid, but you never know.

In the criterium we held on Sunday, one of my school's riders had Ultegra STI
shifters.  He hit a curb trying to avoid a crash, and potato-chipped his rear
wheel.  He got a free lap and replaced the wheel with a 7 SPEED one.  It worked 
fine, but he went to sprint for a prime, the chain skipped, he did and endo, and
crashed.

Moral: you can run a seven speed cluster with eight speed STI, but you're doing
it at your own risk.  Is it really worth it?


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From: jpat@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jeff Patterson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! Tall rider looking for big frame!
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

According to the article in last months _Bicycling_ magazine on bicycle fit
the proper frame size is given  by the formula inseam * .66 (.65 for racing).
If this is correct it means you (and I) should be on a 60 to 61 cm frame (unless
we plan on racing in which case we'd be looking for a 59 to 60 cm frame) 
measured along the seat tube from the center of the bottom bracket to the
center of the top tube.  As I'm in the market for my first road bike, I would
appreciate hearing from other tall riders and their frame preferences.

-Jeff
From: dockd@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:16:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

I saw an add for a Paramount with 26" wheels and I got to thinking: this would
be the ultimate crit setup.  Here's my reasoning

a) the wheels are lighter than 700c and therefore accelerate better (important
	for crits)

b) they have greater rolling resistance than 700c wheels.  As far as I know, 
	rolling resistance only matters when you are going slower than 15mph.
	That might matter for hills but not for criteriums.  Also, doesn't this
	imply that you will be able to corner better due to the wheel gripping
	the road more?

just checking...
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From: steves@pnet01.cts.com (Stephen Scheck)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTBs: how to clean the drivetrain?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:16:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr08.231614.27064
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA

I just started riding bikes, so I know absolutely nothing about their
maintenace. I'm look for some advice on how to clean the chain, cogs,
chainwheels, etc. I've went through some muddy potholes, so there's some mud
on the drivetrain, but it's not too bad. Is water okay?

Thanks,

Steve

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From: ezellj@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Jean Ezell)
Subject: Re: Thule vs. Yak Rack
Keywords: roof-mounted bike racks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:30:39 GMT

fastreac@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Danford Lehman) writes:

[about installing _Thule_ racks...]
>I found installation to be
>frustratingly difficult
>What made the installation so hard was the fact that BOTH the_securing-
>_of_the_rack_pillars (which support the cross bars on which one mounts
>bike racks, etc.) to the car and the locking_into_position_of_the_bars
>in these pillars is effected by tightening a single long screw.  And
>this screw didn't easily find its way into the threaded hole!  This makes
>accurate adjustment problematic, so far as I can see.

>I don't know whether Yakima's system is better (but I'd
>sure be willing to see, were I in the market again).  From a cursory look
>at one on a car it seemed that there was a separate securing mechanism for
>the cross bars.  If one wants to have a roof rack that can be removed (to
>reduce drag, e.g.), this is an important consideration.

This sounds like a description of installing _Yakima_ racks.  I had a
similar frustrating experience last weekend when I tried putting on my
Yakima for the first time.  It started to rain, so I had to give up
temporarily.  So both brands have the same problem.
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