HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: Info needed
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:12:20 +0000


In article <BtrJK5.MB8@eis.calstate.edu>, fgiachi@eis.calstate.edu (Frank Giac-
hino) writes:
>heinau@Groucho.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE (Vera Heinau) writes:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've read the Pern books in their German translation. However the last
>> two books ("The Renegades of Pern" and "All the Weyrs of Pern") aren't
>> translated yet so I want to read them in the original version.
>> To order them here at the book store I need some more informations -
>> e.g. the publishers (Ballantine Books?), publication year, ISBN number, 
>> price, paperback/hardcover issue...
>> 
>

The info on the copies I have is as follows:

"The Renegades of Pern"
ISBN 0-593-02122-3
Paperback - Published 1990 

"All the Weyrs of Pern"
ISBN 0-593-02225-4
Paperback - Published 1992

Both published by Bantam Press, a division of Transworld Publishers LTD
 61-63 Uxbridge Road, London, W5 5SA, England.

Hope this helps you.

Peter.


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From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: AtWoP in paperback?
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:01:50 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



Could someone - ANYONE - tell me when _All the Weyrs of Pern_ is due
out in paperback?  I can't afford hardback but I'm getting desperate
enough to splurge.  (*:  My apologies if everyone went through answering
this question 2 weeks ago - I'm new to this newstopic and haven't
seen it.

Thanks in advance...

Cheers,
Catie
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jkiley@bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Note re SouCon
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:10:15 GMT


Scott Goerhing made a little note to the effect that my last post was
not 'official' for SC, without taking him to task for that I'll mention
that I do qualify as an 'official' source of news for SC, being a wiz 
there and asked to do SC PR before being named a wiz.
Once again, this isn't a flame but rather a clarification.

Jim Kiley
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: dragon books
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 00:41:49 +0000


In article <1992Aug29.140629.25674@news.iastate.edu>, txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu-
 (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
>for true crinological order
>dragons down first
>
>
Er, shouldn't that be:
 for true chronological order
 Dragonsdawn first 
 ??

Peter.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Dragon Info wanted
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:33:22 GMT

forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich) writes:

>I just began reading the Pern series (am about to finish Dragonsdawn), and
>am really enjoying it, so I thought to subscribe to this group.  

>One peculiar difficulty I've had is determining the actual _order_ of the
>entire series... it seems that the books say differently, and the bookstore
>I go to doesn't have proper reference.

>Could someone kindly tell me each book in its proper sequence?  

chronologically, I'm pretty sure they run in this order....

Dragonsdawn
Moreta, Dragon Lady of Pern (Nerilka's story at the same time)
Dragonflight
Dragonquest
Dragonsinger
Dragonsong
Dragondrums
The White Dragon
Renegades of Pern
(All the Weyrs - haven't read it yet)

I'm aware that some of these overlap (most) but, from memory,
thats the order they run in.

Apologies if its not uite right, or if I've forgotten any.

eccles

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From: sanderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Stephen J Anderson - Comp Sci Sanderso S.O.B)
Subject: Re: Anyone out there?
Summary: The wisdom of the die 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.165046.8098@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bpaquet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian paquet) writes:
>We just got access to this group and there are no posts..
>What surely the teacchings of sensei diceman are worthy
>of discussion???
>


 Well, the obvious answer to why nobody has written here is surely that the
Die told them not to, hmmm?

[clatter]

 As President of Timbuktu, I feel that the teachings of the die be eradicated
before they spread their evil influence over out sweet and innocent little
children. This abominable attempt to wipe out sanity in men must be stopped!

[clatter]

 my naym is susy i am three. my teecher asked me to rite a fillysothikal
kritisism ov the Buk ov the Di but i dont now wat that meens so she said i
cud just say hi instead.


 Not my will, Die, But Thy will be done.
--


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.dice-man
From: amorsin@cs.vu.nl (A. W. Morsink)
Subject: Re: Anyone out there?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:14:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.165046.8098@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bpaquet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian paquet) writes:
> We just got access to this group and there are no posts..
> What surely the teacchings of sensei diceman are worthy
> of discussion???
> 

They MUST be, for someone had to create this newsgroup... :)
But I haven't seen any posts here for a loooong time.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.dice-man
From: bpaquet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian paquet)
Subject: Re: Anyone out there?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:39:55 GMT


No posts in  a long time.  Has this group been archives?
If so where might the FTP be..

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dice-man
From: bpaquet@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian paquet)
Subject: Anyone out there?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:50:46 GMT

We just got access to this group and there are no posts..
What surely the teacchings of sensei diceman are worthy
of discussion???

Xref: sparky alt.fan.john-palmer:356 alt.fan.jiro-nakamura:11
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
Subject: Re: John Palmer's brain files Chap. 11
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:04:54 GMT
Organization: The Shaman Group; A Division of Focal Point Computer, Inc.

In article <2A9CD5E1.4F2E@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer):
>>One of these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your
>>face, and that may be sooner than later. 
>
>Ooh!  A threat, Jiro!  Sic your virtual laywers on Palmer!


	I'd be worried except that JP doesn't have enough money to afford
*either* a baseball bat or a plane ticket to New York. :->

	I wonder when he's going to have to trade in his Commodore-64.....
I think it's a real shame that a genuine net.personality is leaving. But
he's well qualified to do other jobs, like selling used cars.

	- Jiro



-- 
Jiro Nakamura				jiro@shaman.com (NeXTmail)
NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,biz.comp.services,biz.comp.telebit
From: cliff@sfn.ORG (R. Cliff Young)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Followup-To: alt.fan.john-palmer
Summary: John, John, where are ye?!?
Keywords: john palmer weenie cat-talk mns ddmi rabbit-net lawsuits lawyers sheer idiocy
Organization: Society for Neuroscience
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:12:46 GMT

In article <DRW.92Aug25105658@zermelo.mit.edu> drw@zermelo.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>What????  No more CAT-TALK weenie-grams????  No more "most connected
>site in the universe"????

Hey, if CAT-TALK is gone, and Michigan Networking Systems (MNS) is
gone, and Detroit Direct Marketing, Inc. (DDMI) is gone, and now
Rabbit-Net is gone, where does this leave John Palmer?!?  Will he
continue to plague the net with his pathetic inanity and thus keep
providing material for the more-or-less humorous postings that
frequent alt.fan.john-palmer?  Or will he disappear forever, fleeing
the massive debts he incurred when the infamous horde of lawyers he
hired to sue the entire USENET community finally got around to
submitting their first bills?

Well, John?  Are ya out there?  Got any other hare-brained schemes to
whine about?  Those Telebit clearouts get you enough cash to buy that
one-way ticket to Vegas?

--
 R. Cliff Young, SysAdmin, SFN --/\/-- cliff@sfn.ORG
Disclaimer: My opinions, not necessarily SFN's.  Of course, this is a
     forged message, anyway.  And I've got a gaggle of lawyers just
     ANTSY to sue your lawyers, so there!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:35:10 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

  Ah, I'm going to regret this in the morning.	NOT.

In article <1992Aug27.041730.23714@tygra.Michigan.COM> John Palmer writes:

-->  we [michigan.com] got only 1/2 of 1 percent of our business from the
-->  net population. MNS's problem was mainly a lack of funds to advertise.
-->  You can sell shit on a shingle to millions if you have money for that ...
-->  We provided top service to people, but too few knew about us, I guess. ...

  Funny how things can be reversed.  Why does it seem that "...but too few
knew about us, ..." and "we got only 1/2 of 1 percent of our business from the
net population."  Seem like LOTS of people knew about you, maybe TOO many.  (:{

-->  CAT-TALK Remains in operation as it is MY PERSONAL property. I will
-->  be re-openining it as soon as I get relocated (I'm moving out of
-->  Detroit, after 29 years) and will probably make it a free system
-->  (as opposed to a pay  system).

  I know!  The first person who calls can PAY for that free offer you just
couldn't get rid of.

-->  As for me, fire away. I'll respond no further. You'll end up looking
-->  like the asshole that you are. 
-->  
-->  John Palmer
-->  (Speaking for MYSELF and no company. FINALLY I can take off the gloves).:1

  Yeah, like I believe this.  But look!  No .sig!  Now, if you take four more
lines off each of your postings every time you think about posting, we'll be
on our way to a cleaner net.  (:

  No more virtual lawyers.  Damm.  No more company to slander.  Double damm.

-- 
John Kennedy/KC6RCK/warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu  "IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM!"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: jp == mutlu ???
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:44:06 GMT

john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik) writes:
: 
: Even better...  he just unleashed the mutlu-tron on talk.politics
: and soc.culture.pretty.much.all.  There's a bazillion recent posts
: "From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)" posted thru the ucbvax daemon.
: 
: \Path: ...!linac!att!ucbvax!anadolu.michigan.com!han
: /From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
: \Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,\
: /soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
: \Subject: Why Should One Trust 'tamtams?'
: /Message-ID: <9208242324.A0080ww@anadolu.michigan.com>
: \Date: 24 Aug 92 02:51:59 GMT
: /Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
: 

John, there really IS a Hasan Mutlu in the Detroit area.

My father worked for him at a division of ITT.

If this is the same one (wouldn't surprise me) then his posts reflect 
his personality rather accurately, as I understand.

BUT it's no surprise he gets his net-access through one of JP's systems.
Peas in a pod, birds of a feather, etc...
--
Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu)
If the economy was a Wheel-Of-Fortune game, President Bush would have no
prizes, won no money, solved no puzzles, and be getting ready to receive
some lovely parting gifts -- Jay Leno
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:53:48 GMT

First, jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) claims:

>[MNS closure] has left 17 people unemployed and many vendors unpaid. 

But then says:

>Michigan Network Systems has not filed anything and does not need to
>do so. Its simply gone, thats it.


What about all those "vendors unpaid"? They gonna contact your virtual
lawyer to demand payment?

>MNS's problem was mainly a lack of funds to advertise.

Not to mention a moron for a representative on the net.

>We provided
>top service to people, but too few knew about us, I guess.

More likely they couldn't stand the likes of you.


>One of
>these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your face, and
>that may be sooner than later. 

uh-oh. Better contact the virtual police.


This posting is, of course, a forgery.

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /   are you won't either...
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.203715.7111@shaman.com> jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura) writes:
"
"An anonymous source reports to me today that Rabbit-Net has filed Chapter  
"11. And thus another John Palmer company joins the dust of Detroit Direct  
"Marketting, Inc. (DDMI), Michigan Networking Systems (MNS), and CAT-TALK.
"
"With his track record of arrogance towards the net.public and the legacy  
"of Chapter 11s with him, one would be well advised before purchasing from  
"John Palmer or any of his companies, especially if he asks for  
"pre-purchasing money, as he has in the past (just before his companies  
"went belly-up, if I remember correctly).
"
"	Jiro Nakamura
"	Founder, John Palmer Fan Club
"
Michigan Network Systems went out of business becuase of a very poor
economy and too many bigger fish taking up too much of the pie. Its 
really interesting that Mr. Nakamura would make so much fun of a situation
that has left 17 people unemployed and many vendors unpaid. 

Michigan Network Systems has not filed anything and does not need to
do so. Its simply gone, thats it. Don't take too much credit for it,
Mr. Nakamura, we got only 1/2 of 1 percent of our business from the
net population. MNS's problem was mainly a lack of funds to advertise.
You can sell shit on a shingle to millions if you have money for that
(witness a certain pizza chain that we all know and hate). We provided
top service to people, but too few knew about us, I guess. We sold to
the likes of Ford, AT&T, Intel, MCI, Michigan State University, Sun
MicroSystems of Canada, Penn State, UC Berkeley, LLNL, University 
of Michigan, Trenton State University, and the list goes on and on. 

CAT-TALK Remains in operation as it is MY PERSONAL property. I will
be re-openining it as soon as I get relocated (I'm moving out of
Detroit, after 29 years) and will probably make it a free system
(as opposed to a pay  system).

The Rabbit Network is still in business. It is spending upwards of
50 million dollars to string fiber circuits throughout Michigan.
Check the Corporate Bond Market in the next few weeks and you'll
see Rabbit's bonds for sale. Rabbit will also be moving into the
LEC (local telephone) business in the next 5-7 years, if Congress
passes HR3515 (and the senate and president approve). 

Frankly, Mr. Nakamura, I couldn't care less what you say about any
of my companies (Rabbit is not one of them, except that I work for
them now and own a few shares of stock (0.0000001 percent)). One of
these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your face, and
that may be sooner than later. 

As for me, fire away. I'll respond no further. You'll end up looking
like the asshole that you are. 

John Palmer
(Speaking for MYSELF and no company. FINALLY I can take off the gloves).:1

Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: John Palmer's brain files Chap. 11
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:57:55 GMT

In article <2A9CD5E1.4F2E@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer):
>>One of these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your
>>face, and that may be sooner than later. 
>
>Ooh!  A threat, Jiro!  Sic your virtual laywers on Palmer!

hardly a threat. do you think it
very likely he could extricate the bat from his fundamental orifice?

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.com       kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
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From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:00:21 GMT
Organization: The Shaman Group; A Division of Focal Point Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.041730.23714@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>Frankly, Mr. Nakamura, I couldn't care less what you say about any
>of my companies (Rabbit is not one of them, except that I work for
>them now and own a few shares of stock (0.0000001 percent)). One of
>these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your face, and
>that may be sooner than later. 
>
>As for me, fire away. I'll respond no further. You'll end up looking
>like the asshole that you are. 


	Awww... MAAAAAN.  Not even *one* threat to sue me? What's happened
to the JP we love to hate???? Has the wind gone from him? Sigh......
I think this represents the passing of an era for the USENET..... 

	- Jiro


>
>John Palmer
>(Speaking for MYSELF and no company. FINALLY I can take off the gloves).:1
>


-- 
Jiro Nakamura				jiro@shaman.com (NeXTmail)
NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Xref: sparky alt.fan.john-palmer:352 alt.fan.jiro-nakamura:8
From: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net (Steven L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.fan.jiro-nakamura
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:51:00 GMT
Organization: JvNCnet
Originator: johnson@tigger.jvnc.net

jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

>The Rabbit Network is still in business. It is spending upwards of
>50 million dollars to string fiber circuits throughout Michigan.
>Check the Corporate Bond Market in the next few weeks and you'll
>see Rabbit's bonds for sale. Rabbit will also be moving into the
>LEC (local telephone) business in the next 5-7 years, if Congress
>passes HR3515 (and the senate and president approve). 

>Frankly, Mr. Nakamura, I couldn't care less what you say about any
>of my companies (Rabbit is not one of them, except that I work for
>them now and own a few shares of stock (0.0000001 percent)). One of
>these days, someone is going to take a baseball bat to your face, and
>that may be sooner than later. 

Sometimes I just can't help running numbers on outrageous claims.  This
would seem to imply that Rabbit Network has issued in excess of one
billion shares of stock.  But I guess you have to be a big company
to compete in the fiber and LEC markets.  Watch out Michigan Bell and
the local cable companies, da wabbit is comin' to get ya.

>John Palmer
>(Speaking for MYSELF and no company. FINALLY I can take off the gloves).:1
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what I suspected all along.

-Steve
From: dave@panda.mc.duke.edu (Dave Hoffman -- rjj)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer
Subject: Re: Rabbit-Net files Chap. 11
Keywords: john palmer weenie cat-talk mns ddmi rabbit-net lawsuits lawyers sheer idiocy
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:50:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University, Nuclear Medicine

In article <1992Aug25.201246.14236@sfn.ORG> cliff@sfn.ORG (R. Cliff Young) writes:
>
>Hey, if CAT-TALK is gone, and Michigan Networking Systems (MNS) is
>gone, and Detroit Direct Marketing, Inc. (DDMI) is gone, and now
>Rabbit-Net is gone, where does this leave John Palmer?!?  Will he
>continue to plague the net with his pathetic inanity and thus keep
>providing material for the more-or-less humorous postings that
>frequent alt.fan.john-palmer?  Or will he disappear forever, fleeing
>the massive debts he incurred when the infamous horde of lawyers he
>hired to sue the entire USENET community finally got around to
>submitting their first bills?
>

He better not.  He owes me 5 bucks.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-palmer