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From: gt5627c@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew Seamus Pease)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,comp.music
Subject: K2000 - midi'able filters?
Summary: does the k2000 have midi'able filters
Keywords: sampler k2000 filter
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:25:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I was trying to make up my mind in getting a K2000R/with the sampling
option or perhaps a Peavey SP/SX plus a wavestation A/D.  I had decided
to go with the wavestation A/D + Peavey SP/SX, but then this new
EMU vintage keys thing comes out.  Now, what I like about this emu
thing is the programable digital filters.  That is nice.  not as nice
as programmable voltage filters, but still really nice.  

Then I started to wonder, couldn't you do the same thing with a k2000?
Can't the filters on a K2000 be programmed much in the same way as 
this new EMU Vintage Keys box?  In fact, wouldn't a K2000,
with its digitally contolled filters combined with the
raw samples of an EMU vintage Keys box be the same as the Vintage
Keys box?  With the exception of the EMU box having 32 voices, it seems that
if one was going to go with getting say a peavey sp/sx & an EMU vintage
keys, it would make much more sense to get a K2000 with sampling extension.

Actually, now that I have said this, does the Peavey SP have midi controllable
filters?  If so, then it is the AD & SP for me!

Hopefully, Kurzweil will catch on to this analog craze and simply offer
samples of popular analog synths.     

To all you analog lovers out there.  I dont want to argue with you on
whether or not a sampler w/ filter sounds the same as a real analog synth.
In fact, remember reading in Keyboard mag that the reason a digital sampler
cant sound like an analog synth is because the circuitry in a sampler
has a hard time reproducing sounds with both very high freq. and very low
freq., such as those that come from analog circuitry.  Although, IMHO
(This is to you Nick) contemperary dancers would in no way be able to tell
the difference between an EMU vintage keys or a Chroma, minimoog, whatever.
They are all spending too much time being cool.

Matt Pease
gt5627c@prism.gatech.edu
From: mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland TR727 ?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:09 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

> Is the tr727 any good? I can get one quite cheaply now, but I was wondering
> if anyone has anything real nasty to say to help put me off!
Hi,
I've got the 707 & the 727, use them all the time without incodent.
david
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jkammone@cs.joensuu.fi (Janne Kammonen)
Subject: Sampler/Playback advice
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:08:30 GMT

Ok, this is a mail from my friend who has only the read acces to the net,
so I mailed it for him.....
His email address is :
                         joal@ppvku.ericsson.se
And here he goes......

Hi everybody!
I own a Korg M1 that I'm basically very pleased with. However, the limited polyphony (16 notes at BEST..) and limited selection of PCM samples has set me out on a search for some additional equipment. I would really appriciate all comments on this issue.
So what do I need:
* A module. I have a keyboard already and have no desire nor place for another one.
* At least 16 notes polyphony
* At least 8 part multitimbral
* A good selection of samples of REAL instruments. I'm not interested in synth like	
  sounds (Yes, I know, get a sampler!)
* I don't do a lot of progmming, just minor adjustment so the programming abilities
  are not a big issue. (No flames please!)


I have tried the Proteus1, the Sound Canvas and the JV-880 and they all seemed acceptable
to me. They differ in price and some other aspect of course. 

So question one, is there any other similar modules I have missed? I have tried TG100 but did not like it. Has any one used the TG500?

Now, one thing that bothers me is that even though the Proteus and JV-880 are expandable
(cards and/or boards) there is still a chance that I will need even more variations.
So maybe I should get a sampler with the same features as above (16 poly, 8 mult). Since
I don't like programming sounds I sure won't like to sample them either. As far as I know there are only two such units, the Akai 1000PB and the Peavey SP. Any opinions on these two? I'v seen the review of the SP/SX on the net but nothing on 1000PB. I think the SP
would be the perfect solution for me but the availability of samples worries me. How can I get new samples? I don't want the SX and start sampling! I know it accepts SDS but is there a lot of samples in SDS format availably? Is there any Mac program that I can use to convert Akai/Roland disc into SDS and send to the SP? If the SP could read Akai/Roland discs I would definitely go for the SP since there are LOTS of samples in these formats around.

Another alternative would of course be to buy a sampler without using the sampling (and maybe some day I will sample...). The Roland S550 and S330 (i think..) would fulfill
the requirements above at a resonable cost. However, I think these are 12 bit machines? Is the sound quality still acceptable? 

A lot of questions, hoping for some answers........

regards
Johan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Conversion of Format0 to 1 on Atari's
From: neilex@brt.deakin.edu.au
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:38:40 EST
Organization: Deakin University, Melbourne

Does anyone know of a program to convert a format 0 midifile to a format 1
(i.e. extract tracks of different channels that have been merged together into
their own tracks again. )

I have a friend who is using Cubase with a single floppy drive on an Atari
1040STFM, and he cannot really work with some of the large files he has which
are format 0, and would like to convert them to format 1 before booting Cubase.
 Ram is at a premium.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

Neil Wallace
neilex@viccol.edu.au
wallacen@insted.unimelb.edu.au
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From: martin
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,
Subject: Re: Jupiter-6 Questions
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:23:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

I tried to send Steven mail a few days ago, but it bounced.
Here's a posting of my answer:

Steven,

|<      What is the default MIDI receive channel, or is it Omni? (I
|< haven't had time to make space on the rack yet, so I've only plaued
|< it by itself so far.)  What is the procedure (if there is one) for changing

The default upon power-up is to send/receive on MIDI channel 1.
If you want OMNI mode, then you need to depress the "Master Tune"
button during power-up.

You change the MIDI channel by holding down the Master Tune button,
and simultaneously depressing a bank or a program button (1-8) (9-16).
If you powered up the JP-6 in OMNI mode, and later change the channel,
then you can not get back into OMNI mode without a power-cycle.
Primitive, but the JP-6 was the second keyboard produced with MIDI.

|< the MIDI send/receive channel?  Also, how does the "Patch Preset Bank"
|< button/feature work?  Does it call up 4 banks of ROM presets, or is
|< it something else?

The "Patch Preset" banks are much like "Setup" programs on
contemporary synths.  They store performance information on
the keyboard setup - not information on VCO settings, etc.
Information like splits, arpeggio configurations, program maps,
etc. are stored in these (i.e. the lower panel of buttons are
stored in presets, while the upper panel of buttons are stored
in the program spaces.  The presets are the only banks whose selection
sends MIDI program change info.  There are 48 presets, and 64
program areas.

The JP-6 does not transmit pitch bend or modulation info - basically
program change, and note on/off.  At least, that's how mine is.

|<      If anyone has a manual for sale/photocopy, I will pay for
|< postage and expenses.  Please contact me via email.  Thanks in
|< advance!

I have a manual, but I can't find it.  It really is a pretty bad
piece of work.  I bought my Jupiter 6 new about 8-1/2 years ago, and it isn't
working right now.  I have to find a place that will repair it for me.
I'll help you out with your JP-6 if you can't find a manual.  Just send
me mail.  It's really a great keyboard.

		-- Tim

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gmortens@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Gerald E Mortensen)
Subject: ESQ-1 help needed
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:41:45 EST

hey my esq-1 is sick and i want to reset it and reload everything, but i can't
get it to reset. am i remembering correctly how to do it?

i think its the two left-most soft buttons on the top and the 1 rightmost on
the bottom. yes? do i have to be in any particular menu or anything?

any help would be much appreciated!


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From: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: K2000 archive info
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:56:35 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

I have changed the following policies for the submission of files
to the K2000 archive on cs.utk.edu

        1. Submission of files
           A. ftp anonymously to cs.utk.edu
           B. cd into pub/martin/K2000/incoming directory
           C. put (FTP) a file there
           Note: you do not have read access to that directory...
                 just write.  You can cd into it, but cannot remove
                 stuff, look around, etc.

        2. The archive now contains ZIP files also.  There is an index
           to the ZIP files in each sub-category (INDEX.zips).
	   ZIP files will contain volumes of the otherwise .Z files.

Let me know if you've got problems/questions with this setup.

		-- Tim

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From: deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (A. J. Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland TR727 ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:07:12 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Luc Dooms (ldo@sunbim.be) wrote:
: You have to take into account that the TR727 is quite an old drumcomposer.
: 
: 	- It only has 16 drum sounds (or latin percussion sounds)
: 	- It lacks "modern" sounds
: 	- Its pad are NOT touch sensitive
: 	- No soundprocessing
: 	- ...

Thanks to those who replied. I wouldn't have been too worried about the pads
(tho it would have been useful) but I would have expected some of the
kick/snare/hihat type sounds as well. I think I'll sidestep it...

Antony.
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JD-800 -- BEAUTIFUL!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:42:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <74062@cup.portal.com> <CUBASE.93Jan21134728@kaarne.cs.tut.fi>

> If JD-800 has "an incredibly rich" sound, how do you describe the
sound of Oberheim OB-X?

I said it was good.  An OB-X has a limited bandwith smooth rich sound.
It doesn't have the sparkling highs of the JD-800 or the
richness that a multi-effect processor can give it.  Remember one oscillator
run through a chorus or pitch shift unit can sound like 3 or more.

>JD-800 sounds dull and digital compared
to the real things. The richness of the sound comes from an exciter, not
from filters or oscillators, as in true analog synths.  

The JD-800 does not sound dull at all.  It _does_ sound digital but this
doesn't mean that it can't produce a rich sound.  It does have software
oscillators and filters BTW.  If you mean analog, yes, it doesn't have
analog oscillators.  That was the gist of my post.  I was telling
the other guy that it _wasn't_ analog at all.  It has samples from
analog keyboards like the Super Jupiter etc...

>I like JD more than
other usual digital stuff, but it can't compete with analog synths or K2000.

Why does it have to compete?  It has a sound all of its own.  It can sound
rich and full as well as sparkling.  It's a versatile keyboard sound-wise.
It's not half the synthesizer that the K2000 is but it's not meant to be.

You don't have to convince me, I have a K2000 as well as an Oberheim,
Moog and Prophet.  I haved owned an OB-X in the past too.

Aron
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JD-800 -- BEAUTIFUL!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:26:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

JD-990>Got one, Aron...

Nick you *dog*! or spell it backwards! :-)
Either way - howd you get it so fast?

I only saw preliminary info on it at NAMM!?

Aron_Nelson@Cup.Portal.Com
From: bszabrak@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Bill Szabrak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Help me buy a sampler!
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:09:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens


I'm in the market to buy a new sampler.  Ultimately, I would like
the new Ensoniq ASR, but that's a bit out of my price range.
I'm at a crossroads about what to get.  If anyone has any
information, experience, preferences, advice, recommendations,
or flames about any of these samplers, I would appreciate the mail.
Also, if anyone can tell me the best price they know of for any of
these.  Thanks.

Peavey DPM3
Peavey SP/SX combination
Roland W30
Akai S950

Or any other sampler which falls into an approximate $1500 price
range.  A few of the things I would like the sampler to have are:
  -8 or more meg expandability
  -multiple outputs
  -ability to play 4 or more samples at once (split-keyboard)
  -16-bit  41 or 48 kHz
  -nice sample-editing functions
  -polyphonic pressure
  -SCSI capablity

I was almost sold on the Peavey SP/SX pair, but I was told that
Peavey products are not the best quality, and I'd be better off
getting an Akai.

Thanks for any help and info anyone can give me.  Mail to:
bszabrak@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Yamaha/Korg/Kawaii/Roland/Proteus??
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:39:21 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <1993Jan28.042215.7519@gw.wmich.edu>, 363mcwilliam@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> I need opinions on the following products:  Yamaha's SY series,  Korg 01,
> Kawaii K4, and Proteus Orchestral & 3rd World, Roland Sound Brush.
> 
> I'm on the verge of buying something and I need some good advice!.
> 
> Brian Mc.
You need to provide more information about your budget, needs, expectations, etc.,
otherwise you may not get the info you want... These products are very very 
different from one another!!! But, briefly...
SY - available fairly cheap (77) since it's discontinued. Don't know about lower models. TG77 sounds good.
01 - great instrument: good display, sequencer, factory patches, etc. Expensive since it's new.
K4 - available cheap: it's older, ROM size is small so factory emulative sounds can't be as good. Good value.
Prot Orch - Best box I've ever heard for orchestral. No sequencer, tiny display, but great sound (no efx either)
Prot World- don't know
Roland SB - Good overall sounds. Decent display. Effects are global (not per program). Not great at any one 
            single sound, but good at many.

These, as usual, are very subjective opinions. Again, without further info, hard to narrow down what to tell
you.

-Jeff Adams-
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jonjen@Siri.Unit.NO (Jon Olav Jenssen)
Subject: Re: m3r Vs Kawai K4
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:33:36 GMT


I've got both a M3r and a K4.

I think that the two synths make an excellent comination together:

- The M3r as an sample playback-synth with pretty good reproduction of acoustic
sounds..(at that price..)
- And the K4 as a synth-synth, making a bunch of nice, non-acoustic sounds. (I've
got a space-choir that outperform most other space-choirs that I've ever heard,
including the Wavestation and all that strange Roland-gear...) 

I would not sell either of them, but if I have to choose, I think the M3r goes
first because it is a sample-player and could be replaced with something else. To
find a replacement for the K4 is harder..
And, BTW: The K4 has an excellent keyboard, the M3r has not... (weird, isn't it?)

So the conclusion is:

acoustic sounds = M3r
synth-sounds    = K4
nice keyboard   = K4
compact size    = M3r

If you want some additional thougths, please tell me...

Greetings from Norway,

Jon Jenssen
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: Re: K2000 - midi'able filters?
Keywords: sampler k2000 filter
Reply-To: gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:37:36 GMT


I know nothing about the instruments other than the K2000 in the
prior posting.  SO, in total ignorance, let me forge ahead....

The K2000 certainly has an enormous amount of filtering available,
and it is MIDI controllable given the proper programming.  Once
you start to understand the mix of synthesizer and sampling technologies
present in the K2000, the possibilities for new and inventive sounds
become limitless.  This would be true for the K2000 even if it was
restricted to the classic basic waveform of the older breed of synthesizers.
I find that with this instrument I can do so many things that I can't
imagine needing to do sampling to create a sound I don't already have.
The version 1.3 software on up to date K2000's provide very good examples
of this principal.  Need an accordian to do a polka.  Well, no accordian
sample, but take some Sax samples, put them through some of the sound
manipulation facilities, and you have a wonderful acordian sound.  Need
a little deeper sound, no problem... just tweak the filter settings.  Now,
how about adding a little percussion to the beginning of the note's attack.
No problem, copy the percussion layer off the hard electric piano program.

And so it goes...  the only limit is your imagination, and your ability to
translate that into waveforms and thus programming for the sound.
--
Marc S. Gibian			email: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com
Principal Software Engineer	phone: (508) 486-6598
Digital Equipment Corporation	fax:   (508) 486-6648  or (508) 486-6100
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jpl@world.std.com (John P Lamar)
Subject: Re: Novel Midi Controllers
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:05:45 GMT

uelmenm@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>In terms of ideas for new Midi performance systems, I do have 
>something interesting to suggest, though I think it's not going to hit
>the market incredibly soon.  Max Mathews, researcher at Stanford and 
>the father of computer music languages, is currently working on an 
>instrument which looks like a box with a wand attached to it.  
>Conceptually, it seems similar to a theremin, that wonderful piece of 
>bizzarity used by Jimmy Page and various composers circa 1930 which 
>somehow generates musical oscillation through the magnetic field 
>immeadiately surrounding it.  Refer to "The Song Remains the Same" or 
>your local electronic music freak if curious.  Anyways, this Mathews 
>box intrigued me when I saw it in early January at Stanford.


The box this person saw is called the Mathews Radio-Baton and while it can 
mimic the behaviour of a theremin, it is more powerfully used with Dr Mathews'
Conductor program which allows the user to conduct and control a stored music 
score by beating time much the way a conductor would a orchestra. You can also
control expression. The Radio-Baton can control any standard MIDI synthesizer 
or device.
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From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI primer via ftp?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:41:32 GMT
Organization: The Other Side of the CPU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

I'm looking for some sort of primer for MIDI.  Does anyone know of one
available in either ASCII or PostScript format on any ftp sites?  I tried an
archie search and all I turned up was MIDI software, which of course will be
VERY useful in the near future.


Steve J. White
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