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From: amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:44:58 GMT

In <1992Apr14.002726.246@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>Look! A clue! Catch Pete!  Anyone who thought that was a serious argument
>against legalization is sadly mistaken.  I'm just surprised that no one had
>thought of this angle yet, and I thought it might deserve a comment or two
>in the discussion.

I doubt anyone thought that it was a serious argument against legalization.
The flaw that Pete was pointing out is that your "angle that no one
had thought of yet" is ridiculous.

The most glaring fallacy is similar to the one the WoD folks use
against marijuana.  They take the backwards approach when they
say "marijuana use promotes use of harder drugs, because users of
harder drugs used marijuana before."  Instead of looking at the
mj users and seeing that most don't use hard drugs, etc.  You have
looked at the drivers of Cadillacs, said they are probably drug
dealers, and noticed that they are black.  Therefore most drugs
dealers are black.  Instead you should look at it the other way
and see that MOST BLACKS don't drive Cadillacs or deal drugs.

So wiping out the black market of drugs will hardly relegate
blacks as a race to a lower income level.

>And the small hick town from rural Missouri that YOU'RE from isn't much
>bigger.  Think before you jerk that knee of yours.

Most racists are not like Matt Hale, HateMonger extraordinaire.  Most racists
are suffering a kind of racism born of ignorance, the kind that tends
to breed rampantly in said small towns.

Meaning, most racists are not so seriously hostile as to plot ways to 
keep blacks on the lowest rung of the income ladder, at least not con-
sciously.  So what is your point?  "Oh, yeah, man.  Those drugs are
Evil, but if we legalize them then those <insert slur I find offensive
here> will end up in the gutter.  Let's do it!"  Not.  As in, not only 
would they be wrong, but such conscious haters of blacks are probably 
not so great in number as you would believe.  At least, they hardly 
compare in number to those racists who have a stereotyping, condescending, 
but benevolent (in their view) attitude toward blacks.  And of *course*
YOU wouldn't fit in that category, now, would you?  You don't *hate*
blacks, so how can you be racist?  

________________________________________________________________________
amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu

			Eldrad must live.
From: jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Movie : The Doors
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:28 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <jody.35.703433049@ace.acadiau.ca> jody@ace.acadiau.ca (JODY  
DUNBAR) writes:
> I just watched "The Doors" last night. I found this movie to be very 
> interesting. I picked out a few spots in the movie that would definetly  
be 
> freaky on acid. Anybody watch it on acid? How was it?
> 							Jody

I watched _The Doors_ on acid the first time I saw it.  It was so intense  
and I was so entranced by it, that I stood all the way through the movie.   
_The Doors_ is a looong movie!

jay Dugger
jdugger@reed.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Day
Keywords: Hoffman Bicycle LSD
Organization: The Lab Rats
Distribution: w
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:10:18 GMT

In article <29EA5ADE.20344@ics.uci.edu> honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
} jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera) writes:
}>
}>Hey!  There's an important religious holiday to be celebrated
}>this Sunday, April 19th.  (And i'm not talking about Easter.)
}>
}>It's Bicycle Day, the day on which we remember & give thanks
}>to Dr. Albert Hoffman on the anniversary of his historic ride.

}Actually it appears to be the 16th of April...

no, it is in fact the 19th. read your excerpt a bit more carefully.
(it isn't clear how he got home on the 16th, but the way the notes read,
the 19th was definitely the "interesting" ride.)

}    Last Friday, April 16,1943, I was forced to interrupt my work in
}    the laboratory in the middle of the afternoon and proceed home,
}    being affected by a remarkable restlessness, combined with a slight
}    dizziness. At home I lay down and sank into a not unpleasant
}    intoxicated-like condition, characterized by an extremely stimulated
}    imagination. In a dreamlike state, with eyes closed (I found the
}    daylight to be unpleasantly glaring), I perceived an uninterrupted
}    stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense,
}    kaleidoscopic play of colors. After some two hours this condition
}    faded away.

[...]

}Quoted below is the entry for this experiment in my laboratory journal of
}April 19, 1943.

}Self-Experiments
}
}    4/19/43 16:20: 0.5 cc of 1/2 promil aqueous solution of diethylamide
}    tartrate orally = 0.25 mg tartrate. Taken diluted with about 10 cc
}    water. Tasteless.
}
}    17:00: Beginning dizziness, feeling of anxiety, visual distortions,
}    symptoms of paralysis, desire to laugh.
}
}    Supplement of 4/21: Home by bicycle. From 18:00- ca.20:00 most severe
}    crisis. (See special report.)
}
}Here the notes in my laboratory journal cease. I was able to write the last
}words only with great effort. By now it was already clear to me that LSD had
}been the cause of the remarkable experience of the previous Friday, for the
}altered perceptions were of the same type as before, only much more intense. I
}had to struggle to speak intelligibly. I asked my laboratory assistant, who
}was informed of the self-experiment, to escort me home. We went by bicycle, no
}automobile being available because of wartime restrictions on their use.

about this time last year we got into a flame war with some idiots in
rec.bicycles because a friend of mine crossposted the announcement
there.
-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gsmith@cleveland.next.nd.edu (george smith)
Subject: Re: Legalization of Drugs: Why Not?
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.203340.4344@oz.plymouth.edu> s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu  
(Shaun P. Bean) writes:
> I hope this subject hasn't been beaten to death, but I would like to
> add why I believe they should be legalized.
> 
> Written 1990 CR SPB pub Inc. 1990
> 
> 
>                       The Legalization Of Drugs: Why Not?
> 
> 
> 
>               [a whole lotta stuff deleted]

I agree with the large majority of what you said in the paper (what sort  
of grade did you get on it if it was for a class?), especially the bit  
about how the legality of a drug is completely unrelated to its morality  
(imagine coffee being immoral).  I think that the concern about addiction  
that people reluctant to legalize so- called hard drugs have is legitimate  
to some degree, with respect to highly addictive drugs such as crack, etc.   
It would not be a cool scene if someone was just fooling around with some  
stuff and became addicted to it.  But of course this argument doesn't hold  
at all with non- addictive stuff like marijuana.  
	In the end, I have to agree with you and say why not?  Maybe it  
has to do with the opium and cocaine that some people say the CIA is  
actively importing as some sort of grand bake sale.  I don't know.  

gsmith@cleveland.next.nd.edu    	"It's all done with ball bearings  
George Smith		                        nowadays."      
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From: tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu (tom)
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Organization: The Lab Rats
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:17:30 GMT

In article <lamontg.702885755@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

}So now we get to argue over which 2-D model we like better.

i vote for the Advocates for Self Government's variant of Nolan's.
it was their founder Marshall Fritz who first noticed that rotating it
45 deg CCW put the left right scale on the horizontal axis, and liberty
vs. govt control on the vertical.

unfortunately geometry was not one of his strong points, and people have
been repeating his mistake of saying "90 degrees" instead of 45 for
about the last 12 years...

}(ps. turn the damn thing 90 deg CCW)

}Anyone for three or four - D models?  

sure ;-) ;-) ;-)

here is 3D:

take the Alignment chart from Advanced Dungeons & Dragons and place it
almost but not orthogonal to the Nolan chart such that the chaotic good
corner coincides with the libertarian/anarchist corner & lawful evil
corresponds with authoritarian. the angle between the 2 planes should
probably be about 60-70 degrees with lawful good closer to conservative
than liberal.

so most elves are libertarians, and the average dwarf is more likely to 
vote Republican than Democratic...

(i'll skip the ascii graphics -- build yourself a model; it looks like a
distorted octohedron. just draw the two charts, cut them out, cut halfway
across each along the diagonal and fit them together. then laugh at
yourself for wasting that much time on such a silly concept)

next time i do enough of the appropriate drugs, i'll add the 4th
dimension to this model. any suggestions?
-- 
tom@udel.edu                                        ...!{gateway}!udel!tom
tom@genie.slhs.udel.edu           UDel: School of Life and Health Sciences

"Themes were useless; Destiny was here, and the foot pedals were bleeding."
From: NORML California <canorml@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:57 PDT
Subject: Re: Smart Drugs / FDA ban
Nf-ID: #R:ut-emx.uucp:70382:cdp:1301300142:000:299
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Apr 16 23:57:00 1992


  The FDA ban is for real.  How the companies are responding, I don't know.
Some may continue operating through anonymous mail boxes like the Dutch
Seed Bank used to;  others may return your money with a note to the effect
they can't sell this kind of thing; or maybe they will just keep the money?

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From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Subject: Mushroom info?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:35:43 GMT

	How do mushrooms reproduce? If they reproduce asexully (spores),
then does that mean that all members of a given species are genetically
indentical?
	I am interested in growing some mushrooms. I have some dust left
over from some mushrooms that I had. Does this dust consist of or contain
spores? Can I use this dust or are the chances of it being contaminated too
great (I am reluctant to spend the $20, $30 for a spore print).
-dwk
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Robitussin question
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:50:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Thanks, ROB.  I've heard two negative things about it. a) you get real
sick and b) there is a two day hangover.  Can you address that?

I've also been told that the sick is from Robitussen xx and if you use
pure robo there is no problem.  Any comment?

Is the hangover debilitating like alcohol with headache and toxic feelings
or just washed out like LSD or MDA?  I kind of enjoy the latter actually.
Extreme relaxation.  Would you do it if you had to work or take an exam
the next day? (Assuming you were otherwise prepared for either.)

Thanks,

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rps5646@usl.edu (Sasser Richard P)
Subject: MDMA
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:21:23 GMT


I checked my Merck index on MDMA and I believe that ecstasy is derivative
of this substance.  It had the name ecstasy listed at the bottom, with
a formula, which included chlorine.  The molecular diagram for MDMA did
not include chlorine, and in the cross index there was a mention of it 
being a derivative.  Was I not wearing my glasses or something?
Thanks for setting me straight.

Alchemist :-(



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|rps5646@usl.edu                        |  I hate everyone equally"       |
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"God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, it says so right here on
the label.  If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these 
attributes simultaneously then I have something to sell you, no checks please
small bills only."  R.H.
The wording may not be correct, but the spirit is there.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle)
Subject: Re: Tetracyclione
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:11:44 GMT

	Tetracycline is a wide-spectrum antibiotic.  A rather good one for
many bacterial infections.  My mom was prescribed tetracycline when she
caught Lyme disease,  and I've got a friend who has a big bottle that he
got without a prescription in Mexico...  He takes it whenever he gets a cold,
and he usually tries to give me some when I get a cold.  He doesn't seem to
know the difference between a bacterial and a viral infection.  He thinks
**I'm** crazy because I take ~300 mg of zinc a day when I get a cold,  plus
plenty of vitamins.  At least there is some evidence that my regimen helps.

	I don't think tetracycline has any recreational uses...  But I could
be wrong.  Also,  I don't think it is chemically related to anything with
interesting psychoactive properties,  so you can't use it as a precursor
for making anything fun -- however,  it does sometimes cause permament
yellow staining of children's teeth.  I'm not a doctor,  and I don't
play on on TV,  so you should consult with your family doctor to find out
more about the various uses of tetracycline for fun and profit.



-- 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Another rambling thought: Marijuana is an HERB.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:28:51 -0500


Two instinces made me realize something:

1)A friend (obviously quite sheltered, but who knows...) was suprised
to learn that marijuana is nothing more than a dried plant... he was
sure that there was some evil process and altering that it underwent.
When I told him no and "proved" it =) he said, "Now that seems
stupid... a _PLANT_ is outlawed...."

Got my heart going pitter patter. 

2)I'm reading in a book about herbal medicine:
	"Occasionally, however, herbs are burned and either smoked or
used as an insence.  In the latter category, Juniper is often used.
Many of the herbs which are smoked are illegal (marijuana) or
dangerous (Jimson Weed), but some are not: Eucalyptus or Mullein are
two good examples."

And it hits me again, perhaps because of the matter of fact, and that
it is used against "or dangerous" but it hit me.... we are "free" people
but we can't grow a damn plant in our backyards, a plant that probably
was here long before we even lost our webbed feet... 

What effect would making commercials that seem to take a simple
"Why????" attitude towards the outlawing of marijuana?  I'm sure there
are more people that simply CANNOT view this "DRUG" as what it really
it: a plant.  Not some flaming red, horned being that is inherently
evil.  It's a damn plant, for christsakes!  A PLANT!  (Whew, I think I
dumped something strange in my oatmeal this morning, pretty soon I'm
going to be screaming, "They KNOW!  Man, they KNOW!!!")  What's next,
the ivy in my kitchen window?  Or how about that horrible chamomile
I'm growing on top of our old tv... 

amy
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Day
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:36:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: w

So we have two days to celebrate.  The 16th was the day of the discovery
and the 19th the day of the experiment.   Thanks so much for posting that.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: moore7004@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: You All Suck
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:37:26 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr15.151218.3890@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody) writes:
> Drugs are killing are children!!!!! How can you possibly want them legal?????

Drugs aren't killing our children, silly goose.  *Death* is killing our
children.  Someday, though, they'll have *drugs* that will *cure* death -- we
like to call them longevity drugs, or immortality pills, or whatever.  In the
meantime, we have *psychedelic* drugs that make us *feel* immortal, for about
twelve hours at a pop.


> You must be truly sick.


Yes, I am sick.  Luckily, I have drugs to cure that too.  They're called
*pharmaceutical* drugs.  These drugs keep me away from *death* a little bit
longer, but instead of exploring the wonder world of visual hallucination, I
end up going to sleep instead.

> 
> --jules
> 
> e-mail replies will be answered 


I'm waiting, jules.  I replied quite some time ago.  Sigh.  Guess a lowly
little drug supporter like me doesn't deserve a bit of your time.  Luckily, I
have *other* things to do with my time, like avoid death...

Scotto
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: alt.head?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:10:23 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>BTW I don' really like alt.heads but that's just a matter of taste. I'd
>prefer something like alt.altered or alt.perception or some such that
>won't drive away the more conservative folks who might drop in and find
>an interest.
>

How about alt.ered?

gary
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 22:55:22 EDT
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Yohimbe

    Can anyone supply me with more info than the FAQ-Natural Highs gives?

    Like: personal experiences, likes, dislikes, etc.

          where to get it.(still waiting for catalogs from some mail orders.)

          anything else you can think of would be great also.


Thanks in advance, guys.
Yes, no sig.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Input sought on drug legalization: detection/
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 00:10:35 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr6.171504.24044@ncsu.edu> dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>alexc@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator) writes:
>
>> On his way 
>> home, he stopped at a stop sign, and noticed that he was beside a police 
>> car.  as he stopped, the bike fell over, onto the cop car.  He was given a 
>> dui under the VA state law that a bicycle is a motor vehicle.
>
>Why is that a "stupid" DUI arrest? A bicycle IS a vehicle, and the operator 
>has to obey ALL of the traffic laws on the public roads, just like every 
>other vehicle operator. Bicycle operators are not exempted from obeying 
>stop lights, signs, reckless operation, etc., so why should they be 
>exempted from obeying DUI laws? 

Because they won't let us on Interstate highways.


-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: mcbeeb@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tv and it's influence.
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:22:11 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

Just a followup on this TV thread:

I watch very little television myself.  It is not, however, uniformly
bad, just as public schools are not uniformly bad.  I would
recommend that if you are a parent, you should LIMIT the amount
of TV your children watch, and MONITOR what they are watching.
Network TV is probably the worst, there are some good cable channels,
though. If you get The Discovery Channel or The Learning Channel,
check them out.  Some good educational programming is available
there.  Amercan Movie Classics carries some wonderful movies
occassionally.  Nickelodian is known for it's Sunday morning
cartoon lineup, including Doug, Rugrats, and Ren and Stimpy.
Your local PBS station probably has some good programming.
And C-SPAN has some good programming.  Check out Book Notes
sometime.  They had extensive coverage of the Libertarian
National Convention, BTW.


-- 
Brian McBee   mcbeeb@jacobs.cs.orst.edu  or  brianop@opac.UUCP
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government."			Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: marijuana, alcohol and driving
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:45:53 GMT

: I can't remember where I read the article or even who sponsored the testing,  
: but within the last 2 years there was something published about a test someone  
: ran on just that question (driving stoned vs. drunk). If I remember correctly,  
: the results were heavily against driving drunk (imagine that) and were quite  
: favorable towards the smokers.

Way back in the 60s or early 70s - a study was done by one of the State of  
Washington universities and their Motor Vehicles Division. The results were
published and were exactly as you describe. They used driving simulators for
the study.

Bill
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