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Organization: Central Michigan University
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:01:00 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: ThaiSarn update

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:43:21+0700
From: Hugh Thaweesak Koanantakool <htk@ipied.tu.ac.th>

Here is the current e-mail nodes in Thailand which are accessible from
the Internet.  There are also some mailing lists in "ipied.tu.ac.th"
which welcome news, ideas and creative suggestions.

Mailing lists supported by this node (ipied.tu.ac.th):
   post-thai  : local subscribers, soc.culture.thai Usenet Newsgroup
   readers    : local news readers in ThaiSarn
   unixQA     : a discussion on UNIX, email and networking
   BACKBONE   : ThaiSarn backbone system administrators.

Other nodes in Thailand which are on connection with this node:
  user@nwg.nectec.or.th         - for users at NECTEC's ThaiSarn public node
  user@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th      - for users at Chiangmai University
  user@cs.ait.ac.th             - for users at AIT
  user@decth.co.th              - for users at Digital Equipment Thailand.
  user@chulkn.chula.ac.th       - for users at Chulalongkorn University Network.
  user@hp2.hpth.co.th           - for users at Hewlett-Packard (Thailand).
  user@sunoct.co.th             - for users at Open Computing Technologies.
<NEW!>
  user%ram1.ru.ac.th@decth.co.th - for users at Ramkhamhaeng University.

Please contact the postmaster of each node for any particular inquiry
you may have.  We do not have access interactively to Usenet News,
or ftp except for Chulalongkorn University.  However, we are all
working hard to install IP links within the country as soon as possible.

Details of (updated) node information and sys-admins will be posted in the
future. I believe that you can make do with the previous version kindly
posted by Dr.Yunyong (fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th) for the time being.

Thaweesak.
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Organization: Central Michigan University
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:10:15 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Judges get salary raise

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:51:17+0700
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th (Yongyuth Pahirah)

The Nation Wed Sept 30 edition


THE new Judicial Commission is scheduled to approve today a pay rise scheme
for hundreds of judges with the exemption of powerful Senior Supreme Court
judge Pramarn Chansue and his key supporters, informed sources said yesterday.

  Pramarn and 12 other judges have been on a disciplinary probation for
  leading an uprising last year against ex-justice minister Prpasna Uaychai.
  The probation has stirred legal questions that recently blocked the Pramarn
  faction's members from being promoted.

  The sources said that according to the Justice Ministry's list of judges
  eligible for this year's pay rise, more than 200 judges will enjoy two-step
  increase in their salaries. But the 13 judges on probation are not included
  in in the list, the sources said.

  The new Judicial Commission was formed on Sept 11 through a controversial
  executive decree issued by the interim Anand government. The decree
  dissolved the old 12-man Judicial Commission which was dominated by Pramarn
  and his supporters.

  Criticism that the Anand government was biased against powerful Pramarn's
  faction, which has been engaged in a power play with its rivals, prompted
  the government to promise that the new Judicial Commission would not make
  any crucial decision pending the deliberation of the executive decree by
  Parliament.

  But the new commission has already worked out a reshuffle scheme that
  included the appointment of the new Supreme Court president. The reshuffle
  resolution, however, is expected to be shelved by the Chuan government until
  the decree controversy is settled by the House of Representatives.

  The sources charged that apart from the 13 judges on probation, other judges
  who had been campaigning against the Anand government would also not have
  their salaries increased.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:09:03 EDT
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Organization: Central Michigan University
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:00:38 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Chuan reluctant to adopt election system

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:03:16+0700
From: Yongyuth Pahirah <yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th>

The Nation Oct 4 edition

  PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai said yesterday a drastic move to introduce the
  system of electing provincial governors nationwide could result in the
  refusal by the provinces to send tax revenues to the Bangkok government.

  The prime minister said that such a drastic administrative restructuring
  would have a severe impact on the collection of tax revenues across the
  country for the government's budget.

  ``I agree in principle to decentralizing administrative powers from Bangkok
  but we also have to take into consideration our budgetary readiness,'' he
  said.

  Decentralizing administrative powers is one of the key topics on the agenda
  of the government's policy statement now in the making. Chuan previously
  said that he had instructed his cabinet to draw up the policy statement with
  emphasis on distributing income and job opportunities into the provinces,
  bringing about more development and improving the infrastructure outside
  Bangkok, and decentralizing administrative powers.

  Asked to comment on the proposal by the Palang Dharma Party for a
  step-by-step introduction of an electoral system to supercede the
  appointment of governors by the Interior Ministry, Chuan said that if the
  electoral system was introduced in big provinces, then the government had to
  consider how to modify the present appointment system in the rest of the
  country.

  ``This issue has to be ironed out through our consultations with all the
  coalition partners. After all, whatever move we are going to take, we have
  to consider the entire system. System must be system,'' he said.

  ``We have to regard all provinces as integral parts of a sovereign state,''
  he said.

  While Palang Dharma advocates the introduction of the gubernatorial system
  adopted in Bangkok, Interior Minister Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, who is
  leader of the New Aspiration Party, has cautioned that such a move would run
  counter to the concept that Thailand is a sovereign nation which cannot be
  separated, and not a federation of smaller sovereign states. Instead,
  Chavalit advocates an approach which would grant tambon councils legal
  status to increase their administrative and budgetary powers.

  The Democrat Party, the core of the coalition government, was cautious and
  ambiguous on its stand over the issue during the election campaign.
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Organization: Central Michigan University
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:48:19 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Bankers say parties wooing them

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:14:17+0700
From: kamol@munnari.oz.au (Kamol Hengkietisak)

THREE of the country's top bankers have confirmed they were approached
by parties in the coalition led by Democrat leader Chuan Leekpai to
join the government.

Bangkok Bank Executive Board Chairman Amnuay Virawan said the New
Aspiration Party had approached him to join the coalition but refused
to reveal anything more.

Dr Amnuay has been tipped as an NAP nominee for the post of deputy
prime minister under its Cabinet quota.

Dr Amnuay described as NAP's internal affairs reports that his
nomination had led to division in the party, but added that he was
willing to resign from the bank to work for the country.

Siam Commercial Bank President Tarrin Nimmanhaeminda, tipped as the
new Finance Minister under the Democrat Party quota, said being an
outsider did not unduly worry him "because the new finance policy will
have to be worked out based on the policies of each political party
trying to set up the the government."

Mr Tarrin said he foresaw no problems working with Thai Military Bank
Chairman Supachai Panitchpakdi -- another nominee as deputy prime
minister under the Democrat quota.

But Mr Tarrin and Mr Supachai are reported to harbour different views
on a number of financial and economic issues.

Mr Tarrin said he and Mr Supachai had the same basic economic and
financial background and he was confident that there will not be
problems if everyone works with reason.

He said he will pursue a policy to ensure an independent financial and
economic policy for the country.

Mr Tarrin said he has already informed the Siam Commercial Bank of his
decision to resign to join the Chuan government.

Mr Supachai, while confirming he was approached to become deputy prime
minister, said he had yet to receive approval from his bank's board of
directors to assume Cabinet responsibility.

He said he was bound by a TMB contract to serve them another two
years.

"I will have to find my replacement at the bank if I'm to join the
Chuan government," Mr Supachai said.

Asked for further comments the banker said it would be premature to
talk any further because he was still awaiting the bank's response and
the Democrat confirmation of his appointment.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:43:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Trocki" <CTROCKI@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Congress Cuts US Aid to Indon!!!!!

Congratulations to Ed Scheiner and the East Timor Action Network and
to all of the others who have worked for so long to end Indonesian
atrocities in East Timor.
        Of course, the real problem is the gang of murders in Jakarta
who have been running Indonesia since 1965.  They can, like Sukarno
once did, stir up Indonesian nationalist pride and tell the US to "Go
to hell with its aid".  They probably will.  No doubt, many patriotic
Indonesians will take this as a slap at their national sovereignty,
but they should understand, that this is not a fault of the Indonesian
people, but of a corrupt and dictatorial government that not only
pursues imperialist policies in places like East Timor and West Irian,
but also regularly denies the most basic human rights to all of its
citizens.  Perhaps the time is near for true Indonesian patriots to
take the next step in the liberation of their own country.
From: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Elliott Parker)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.seasia-l
Subject: Re: malaysia
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:52:42 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University
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              25 Sep 1992 20:48:42 CDT from <sss1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:48:42 CDT Syed-Ahmad S. Syed-Ali said:
>I guess you all knew what I mean here.  As a malaysians, I really appreciate
>if any subscriber in Malaysia could post any current news about Malaysia.  I
>believe that there are lots of things going on over there that might interest
>some of us, especially me.
>    For those who planned to do so, I appreciate you contribution very much.

I think the entire list would appreciate it.  Surely there is someone
out in "cyberspace" who has access to, and could post, Malaysian
news and/or information?  It's not like Malaysia is unconnected--
there are at least a few connections.  Maybe a BBS on an echo?
   If anybody needs help in the mechanics of uploading, or if I
can help in any other way, let me know.

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List Owner, SEASIA-L and CARR-L  Internet: 3zlufur@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
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Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 USA         CompuServe: 70701,520
Office tele: +1 (517) 774-3196     The WELL: eparker@well.sf.ca.us
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:42:19 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: US general holds talks in VN on MIA search

09/29

U.S. general holds talks in Vietnam on MIA search

    HANOI, Sept 30, Reuter - Brigadier-General Thomas Needham, heading the U.S.
search for American soldiers missing from the Vietnam War, has arrived to hold
talks with Vietnamese officials, his staff said.
    Needham was appointed commander of a new military joint task force last
January as part of stepped-up efforts by the U.S. government to answer
questions about unaccounted-for servicemen.
    Needham, who arrived on Tuesday, was scheduled to meet officials on
Wednesday and Thursday to review progress in a month-long field investigation
that some 50 U.S. experts completed in Vietnam in September.
    It was the 19th time since 1988 that American teams have worked with
Vietnamese authorities to excavate graves and plane crash sites and interview
villagers around the countryside about missing men.
    Questions remain unanswered about a few dozen of the 2,266 servicemen whose
remains were never recovered from the war in Indochina, according to U.S.
experts who have spent years investigating the cases.
    The United States has demanded an accounting for those cases from the
Vietnamese government before it normalises relations and lifts a trade embargo
that Washington imposed on Hanoi in 1964.
    The cases are an emotive issue in the United States, where some relatives
of missing men and other private individuals and groups say servicemen are
alive and being held prisoner somewhere in Indochina.
    U.S. experts say they have found nothing to back such claims. They say
evidence they have gathered in field investigations over the years has either
proven or pointed to the death of the servicemen involved. In some cases no
evidence at all was found.
    Needham is scheduled to leave Hanoi on Friday.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:55:38 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Cabinet must play part in stopping corruption

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:59:37+0700
From: Yongyuth Pahirah <yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.th>


The Nation Oct 2 edition

  COMMUNICATIONS Minister Winai Sompong yesterday insisted he would urge the
  Cabinet to consider major projects rather than doing so by himself to
  prevent any suspicion of irregularities.

  ``I will not approve major projects by myself,'' said Col Winai, an
  executive member of the Palang Dharma Party.

  He said he would not accept any kind of commission because a minister is not
  a salesman and has no right to accept it.

  Winai said he would prevent corruption from happening during his tenure
  because that was usually the main cause of a government's downfall.

  He said he favoured many projects initiated by former communications
  minister Nukul Prachuabmoh and would continue them but did not elaborate.

  In reference to the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA), he said the
  organization should be under the jurisdiction of the Bangkok Metropolitan
  Administration rather than the Communications Ministry.
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: s.c.asean vs seasia-l
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:53:58 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.asean ]
[ Author was Othman Ahmad ]
[ Posted on Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:53:44 GMT ]

Elliot parker encourage me to post to seasia-l and I notice there is very
little news item about Malaysia there.
	However when I read the articles at seasia-l, they are too formal and
correct. Almost like newspapers which I do not have the time and interest to
do.
	I prefer s.c.asean because it is more chaotic and more responses. I
tried to incite the same response in seasia-l about Manila but I only got
2 responses which is very poor to me. I believe the readers there are not
interested in any controversial discussion.
	However readers of s.c.asean complain that there are too many 
arguments in s.c.asean and want more news. When I recommend seasia-l, she
said she cannot access it.
	IMO seasia-l is easier to subscribe because it uses a mail server.
Just send email to the server, then the news will be sent by emails. Perhaps
they do not know the procedure. Elliot actually posted to me the procedure to
do that but have deleted it.
	I've just started cross-posting to both groups. If anyone complains
about my style, please say so. I may have to modify my tones.
	Can someone clarify the accessibility of these two similar newsgroups.
What are the real problems? Those who cannot get them both or just one,
please explain why? Some do not like these groups but I believe these 2 are 
the only ones with contributers actually living in Asean. 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:12:18 PDT
From:         Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: East Timor program on Discovery Cab

Wahyu --
I agree with you that the US government shares responsibility with
the Indonesian government for the atrocities committed against the
East Timorese people.  And I agree that "Cold Blood" does not adequately
address this aspect of the issue, primarily because it is a British-
made film.  I hope that you and others will watch "Aggression and
Self-Determination: Massacre in East Timor" which is produced by
the East Timor Action Network/US and will be transmitted nationally
by satellite on September 29 and repeated on October 1 for local cable
TV stations to pick up and schedule for broadcast on public access
cable TV.  It will be on SATCOM 4, Transponder 20 on Tuesday 9/29
at 1 pm and on Thursday 10/1 at 6 pm, as the second half of a one-
hour program entitled "News You can Use."

Check it out.

For more information, contact ETAN/US c/o cscheiner@igc.org.
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Subject: Malaysian Internet Confirmed end 1992
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:14:12 GMT
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The following mail is from UseNet (soc.culture.asean)

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From: Mohamed AwangLah <mal@rangkom.MY>

Just to let you know that our 64k line to Internet is now confirmed. It should
be operational by end of this year.

TELEKOM MALAYSIA offers "Telemail", an X400 based e-mail system. I do not know
how to link to Internet. The standard software appears to be written by
Microsoft but it is clumsy compared to elm or even mail in unix and vms.

Any information on how to do that is most appreciated.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:42:33 PDT
From:         Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Woooowww....wooooowww

ar, Max, and Carl --
Thanks for your thoughts and ideas on this.


It's interesting to me that ar gets resentful about the US government
no longer training the Indonesian military on how to kill and oppress
people more efficiently.  If he agrees with his own statements (as I,
a US citizen, do) that the US has serious problems and is responsible
for many problems globally, he should celebrate the removal of that
influence on ABRI.

In 1967, Martin Luther King called the US military "the greatest purveyor
of violence in the world today," and things have gotten far worse since
then.  In six weeks in early 1991, the US government killed more people
(in Iraq) than Indonesia has killed (about 200,000) in 17 years of
occupying East Timor.  Both are horrible crimes against humanity.

As an American, I want MY government to stop supplying weapons and
training to military and other dictatorships like the Suharto regime.
I don't want my taxes and the name of my country to be associated with
mass murder and genocide, whether directly done by the Pentagon's forces
or by others (Marcos, Deng, Suharto, Pinochet, Somoza, ...) bought and
paid for by the Pentagon and the CIA.

I would expect that the people living in those countries would be glad
to have the burden of American imperialism lifted from their shoulders.
Why the negative, nationalist reaction of Indonesians like ar when we
stop bringing their military officers to the US for brainwashing and
cultivation of subservience to the Pentagon?  Do you want Washington
to run things in your country -- the essence of George Bush's "New World
Order?"

-- Charlie Scheiner, East Timor Action Network /US
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:05:00 +8
From:         ISROBERT@CPHKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: POWs and tolerance

err - excuse me. What do you mean `this administration' - no offence intended,
but for me `this administration' is the governor of hong kong, chris patten.
please be aware of ethnocentricity - robert, isrobert@cphkvx.bitnet
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