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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:25:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.215810.25505@walter.cray.com>, radner@cray.com
(Lauren Radner) writes:
|> ... also the tsuba (guard) is used to control the blade. Women's blades
|> don't have a tsuba, so to use a woman's blade, you have to learn to
do the same 
|> moves without 'cheating' by manipulating the blade with thumb
pressure on the
|> tsuba. 

That's odd, I've never seen a sword without a guard unless it was
being kept in a storage scabbard ("shira-saya" for those who insist
on the japanese). I'm not saying they don't exist, I just haven't
seen one.

I did, however get scolded by my instructor for having a shiny spot
on my tsuba where my index finger knuckle was rubbing.  He maintained
that the hand shouldn't touch the tsuba while using the sword.  So I
couldn't use thumb manipulation of the blade.

...or did you mean the left hand thumb flick that is sometimes used
to begin a draw?

|> (smugly)
|> -Lauren

(not smug at all, and therefore obviously more humble, enlightened
 and superior to you)
Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sch@gargoyle.unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth)
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists - and superbikes
    <19389@sybase.sybase.com>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:40:44 GMT
Originator: sch@gargoyle.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1652

In article <19389@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@ataraxy.sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:

stuff deleted

>Being a Tai Chi kinda guy, I'd have to vote for my '84 Yamaha FJ1100,
>first of a basic design which is still being produced in 1992, it is the 
>original 'Chen' style of the FJ lineage...
>

Me too! Me too! I had the second (maybe first) FJ in the Research in Triangle
when they came out. I kinda thought of mine as a stretching maichine. You
know, when you hit the power band at 6000 rpm and your arms stretch out...
(120 horses in a 560lb vehicle)

>
>And like the general methods of internal arts, the art of motorcycle
>survival is awareness and collision-avoidance..  the Aikido of
>the motor vehicle world..   you want my lane ?  OK, you may have
>my lane, but you will not damage me and I will not deign to damage you.. 

Gee, I had the MA philosophy of "not being there". You want to move into
my lane (in the spot that I still occupy)? O.K., I'll blimp the throttle
and not BE there anymore.

Maudlin Flashback Alert!:

This is probably the only vehicle I will ever own with the "look" factor
of a Lambourghini. EVERYBODY looked when I went by, even people that didn't
know crap about motorcycles. I even had a NCSU campus cop pull me, just to
get a better look. Sigh, it's a shame that superbikes are so common now.

Steve Holzworth
sch@unx.sas.com

>I still luv you (AND my 9,000 rpm escape pod  :-)  )...
>
>-thorick
>
>
>
>
>.......................................................................
>All of the above is from Thorick Chow - DoD #129, and not Sybase, Inc..
>
>Chill the Planet..       Save the Old Growth Front Lawn...
From: scoggin@daisy.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ambujitsu
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:04:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Apr16.102837.15320@cbnews.cb.att.com> yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
>In article <8dvEK=C00iUyQ_FFEW@andrew.cmu.edu>, gy0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gwokang Yang) writes:
>> Has anyone heard of the martial art ambujitsu? I just read an article on
>> it in a magazine.
>
>I believe that this art is a required course for EMT's. It originated in the
>early seventys. It was developed by a team of EMT's who were studying jujitsu 
>at the time. It seems that they needed an art that would help them in their
>work and at the same time provide them with self defense ability. Since these
>techniques were practiced in the field while riding in an AMBULANCE which
>allowed them to toss patients in quickly without further injury it became
>known as AMBUlance juJITSU or AMBUJITSU. :-) :-) :-)
>
>Sorry I couldn't resist!
>-- 
>Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!

Don't laugh!  Have you ever been caught in the back of an ambulance with a
very angry drugged-out person?  My partner got put in the hospital by a nut
on LSD.  What put the situation under control was the infamous "five pound
CO2 fire extinguisher against the head" movement!

	- John
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: Kata (was Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.193231.10909@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.222741.5356@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
>>
>> Is this Gojushiho (Go ju shi ho---54 steps), or is one I've not heard
>>of?
>>
>>Bud (whipping out the note book and preparing to write...)
>>
>
>	ok, kanji time...is go ju shi ho:
>			
>	go: hard
>	ju:soft
>	shi ho: something to do with shiho nage (4 corner throw)???
>
>mukund (whipping out the note book a fraction of a second later than bud...)
Nop, in this case Gojuushiho just means 54 steps.

go = 5
juu = 10's
shi = 4
ho(sp) = steps

Not sure if the 'ho' is correctly romanized.

Ray

Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:10:36 -0400 
From: Jason Piers McDonald <jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mace

Karsten Hendrick writes:

>Make sure it's mace concentrate, and not that cheap over-the-counter
>stuff.  Regular mace is pretty worthelss stuff, and it wouldn't make
>me cry at a funeral.

    Either that, or use Andre champagne (could be considered a Meikdo
method). From a recent party, I can tell you that Andre burns the eyes
just as much (and mace probably tastes better). :)

                                                                -- Jason

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
" 'Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care.' What the hell kind of attitude
is that?"

                                                -- Dennis Miller
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Black Belt
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:21:12 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

>If Jhoon Rhee wants to make a 1 year black belt program, let him. It is
obvious
>that he knows nothing of what it means to be a black belt, and that the years
>of training it took him to achieve his also meant nothing.

Very heavy sigh!

Stephen Northcutt, student Joon Rhee Annandale Center under Jimmy Rhee
1976 -7, Student  Joon Rhee Falls Church BB Center
under Neil Erlich 77 - 78.    

I would probably still be under this system if I hadn't left to go
to college.  There have been substantial changes including major
changes in management, but I will never forget being a young wise acre
shodan who got his butt kicked by a Joon Rhee green belt on a thursday
came back on  Friday and had the experience repeated by a blue belt.

I also can't forget going back to the "orignal" MD school about 6 months ago
(I posted the dojang trip report) and watching a black belt punching the
huge steel girders that hold the roof up, the whole building was booming.

Your mileage may vary, but I deeply respect GRANDMASTER RHEE and appreciate
what he ha done for the MA community over the years.
===================================================================
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones by Paul Reps
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:42:00 GMT
	<1992Apr3.142353.1507@brandonu.ca>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
> My edition was printed in 1961, so you may have to comb through a few
> used book stores in order to find it, but I assure you it would be
> well worth the effort!!

	I don't think that this book is very hard to find. I'm pretty
sure that I saw a copy of it at a neighborhood bookstore just last
week. Check out your local chain bookstore, in the (eastern)
philosophy section.
	You could probably check out the local New Age bookstore, they
might have it, after all, isn't Zen a bona-fide Mysterious Esoteric Eastern
Philosophy???? or is it just common sense? well, maybe it used to be
common sense, but today its just a lot of silly riddles?

	"Zen, the silly riddle that used to be common sense."

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: toman@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (joseph toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:22:25 GMT
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization

In article <1992Apr11.214410.25405@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>
>Just a semi-related anecdote, for fun:
>
>This reminds me of a story my archery coach told me about a fellow archer
>who was also a policeman, and a discussion he had with some fellow officers.
>They were certain a bullet proof jacket could stop one of his arrows and
>he couldn't convince them they were wrong. They got well into the "Prove it!"
>stage and one officer in particular demanded to be shot at, while wearing
>a bullet proof jacket. The archer-cop, knowing better, refused, but agreed
>to shoot at the jacket positioned on a human-form dummy. The challenge was
>on. Off to the range... The archer-cop unleashed the arrow and it went
>*in* and *through* and *out* the back of the bullet proof jacket. The "Oh
>yeah? Shoot at ME" officer turned pale as a sheet. The point being (no
>pun intended) that a bullet has to cut through threads whereas an arrow
>point noses them aside. 
>
>-Lauren

Not to put too fine a point on it, but did he mention the type of arrow
head used, hunting vs. target vs. field and like that ? The thrust of my
argument being that I could see a good hunting arrow doing this, as it's
a cut above the rest, but a regular cedar target arrow would be pushing it.
As this is a rec.m-a story I would guess he used a fishing arrow.


						J. Toman

:-)
From: brankin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:24:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Mary Malmros writes

> Seriously...we wear belts at all ranks, but it's pretty common for
> the top to come undone, start falling off the shoulders, etc. during
> a vigorous workout (or even a not-so-vigorous workout...mass-produced
> jammies aren't known for their good fit).  Some women wear t-shirts, 
> but most of us just wear a jogbra or something like that and let it
> all hang out.  I've never heard the guys comment, so I assume they're
> all either oblivious, blase, polite, or intimidated.  ;-)


Hey! Unfair advantage! :

Ummm, Mary, ummm, do you want to close the front of your.... ummmm,...
[WHAMMM!]
<wooofff!> (I guess not...)

:o)

-----

[Ob. ponderings:]

Hmmm, semi-ignorant karate-ka ("semi-"? ha!) needs to ask questions:

1) I have noticed that many of the TKD students down at the YMCA wear
   the "pull-over" tops.  I was always under the impression that this
   was the standard TKD "dobok".  I take it now that different schools 
   use different uniforms?  (Open front vs. pull-over?)

2) One school that I used to study at had all women close the front of
   their keiko-gis (uhm, doboks ;) in the opposite direction of the men.
   (ie. right flap over left as opposed to left over right)  much like
   the buttons on mens vs. womens shirts.  I never asked at the time, but
   is this normal/traditional/reasonable?  Sounds like a silly question,
   but I've always wanted to know...

-----

[Ob. commercial plug:]

                EXPOSE YOURSELF TO THE MARTIAL ARTS!

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Made of Kevlar and guarenteed to stop katana cuts!  Optional trauma plates.

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-----

[Ob. Bruce Flame:]

Did anyone catch "Big Tie in Little China" the other day?  (FOX, I think)
Now there was some great fighting!  Kurt Russel is MA-GOD! 

-----

big smiles,

-bill
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.131200.17929@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> Speaking of real martial artists (hows that for a smooth blend?),
>I got my Thorick Chow tape the other day.  I've only had time to
>watch it a few times,  but I must say I'm quite impressed.  Thorick
>has a very good understanding of what he's about.  Thanks Thorick!!!
>
>Osu!
>
>Bud
>-- 
>Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
>************************| Then you are probably better than most people!
>U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
>home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD?  from _The book of the SubGenius_

	what is a "thorick chow tape"? was it a tai chi tape that was
mentioned a while (month or two) ago?

-mukund acharya
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: beawoulf@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Yilmaz W. Rona)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Reply-To: beawoulf@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:38:13 GMT

Karsten Hendrick writes
> In article <43325@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>  writes:
> 
> > Besides this, I think virtually everyone has annointed Bruce Lee with a
> > god-hood of which he is undeserving.  He was a good martial artist.  I  
think
> > there are many who are much better.  
> 
> I'm not trying to hardtime you or anything, this is just curiosity.
> Which martial artists do you consider to be exemplary fighters?
>   


JACKIE CHAN IS GOD !!!!!!!!!!!! 

He an extremely good martial artist. The characters he portrays are shown to  
lose fights (unlike El-Bruce Pres-Lee), and everything you see in his movies  
was done for real with no trick photography or anything. when he jumps out of a  
plane in flight and falls w/o a parachute into the ocean, you know Jackie (aka.  
God, Great One, he who makes mortals quake in abject fear) actually did jump  
into the ocean from a plane in flight. Plus he shows bloopers in the  
end-credits of his figths, like all the times his barfing dragon block (tm)  
missed and he got nailed. Therefore, logically, and with no emotian clouding my  
argument, he is God. :-)
From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:08:28 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr10.214931.18330@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

>In article <43396@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>>
>>I have mention Cai Hong Xiang before on the bb (he holds a title for 5-time
>>national championship, full-contact on the mainland).  Xie Bing Can (not a
>>name anyone has heard of) is yet another.  Fu Zhong Wen (quite famous) is
>>another, Wang Su Ping (also famous)... the list goes on.  Plus! There is
>>another phenomenon in China: take for example the story of Wang Su Ping, who
>>is famous for having taken challenges of all kinds for years, winning against
>>this humungous Russian fighter at one point, etc., only to be humbled
>>completely by some unknown from the countryside who managed to seriously
>>bruise his chest with what appeared to be a slight touch.  Bruce Lee doesn't
>>even figure alongside these people.

>	...and you left out lo-pan (also somewhat famous) who could kill people
>with a single stare...

Not that I am trying to plug the book or anything, but there is a very good
passage in My Way of Life which describes an episode where a MA of moderate
fame in the locality tried to attack another, who was reputed to be the
best.  He was unable to move towards him at all!!!  Every time he tried to
attack, his body just gave out.

--
         ______________________________________________________________
	|  A.G. Williams          |        Plus qu'il n'en faut.       |    
	|  willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie  |                                    |
	|_________________________|____________________________________|
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:59:50 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <167C2C4EC.MSIMMON@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU>, MSIMMON@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS) writes:
|> 
|>  
|> Well, in the school I was in, we used belts.  It gave a sense of where
|> you were in the class in relation to others, and a list of people to
|> as for help visually.  Granted, we were a small school, and everyone knew
|> everyone eventually anyway, but it helped initially.
|>  
|> Also, if you went to another affiliated school, it gave the instructor
|> a way to see how far along you were (such as American Jiu-Jitsu Association).
|> Certain things you knew, but forget to mention, wouldn't be a problem this way.

I had always been contented just learning without having any rank at all (in
my school, one must even earn a white belt).  Last night after class, my teacher 
told me that my skill is too good to continue without a rank.  He then advanced
me by three levels without even testing.  Now I feel a little bit of pressure
to learn and improve my skill to live up to the confidence my teacher showed in
me and to live up to my new rank.  Before I viewed belts as just a goal to
work towards, I did not realize that it would have the affect on me that it does. 

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
the hapa haole
(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:41:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.00940.29791@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.015319.19892@wam.umd.edu> gumby@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (Daniel David Reynolds) writes:
>>     If you ever get a chance to come to Maryland, let me know, and I will  
>>show you a style which is exactly that.  It is called Tai Jutsu, developed  
>>by Will Maier and his teacher, Stephen K. Hayes, with input from their  
>>teacher, the 32 grandmaster of Togakure-Ryu Ninjutsu, Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi.   
>>Tai Jutsu is only tought in two schools in the world (both in Maryland),  
>>but it will give you a feeling of what an effective self defense style is  
>>like.  I am an instructor there, and will be happy to mail you some  
>>information on the style.  
>
> Interesting.  From the ole 'Overlook dictionary of the martial arts',
> page 261:
> <snip>
>
> Taijutsu (teye-jut'soo) Jp. "body art" 1. A system of unarmed combat
>similar to jujutsu and a forerunner to modern Judo. 
>2. The branch of modern Judo in which it is neccessary only to throw
>an opponent to secure a contest victory. Strangulations and armlocks
>are excluded.
> <snip>
>
> And from the Manual of Judo, by EJ Harrison, page 15
>
> <snip>
>
> The term Judo today signifies the subtle Japanese art of defence and
> attack without lethal weapons which, alike in Japan itself and elsewhere
> in both hemispheres, has largely superseded the older one of Jujutsu
> (pronounced Jujitsu), also known in feudal days as taijitsu or yawara.
>
> <snip>

"Interesting" in what sense?  These references do not describe 
the taijutsu practiced by Hatsumi and his American disciples 
especially well.  For example, the idea that their art is just Judo 
without chokes and armbars is laughable.  The other references 
seem too vague to be very meaningful.  So, what caught your 
interest?
--
Richard A. Drury                                    drury@helix.nih.gov
National Institutes of Health
From: MSIMMON@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Just what is a BLACK BELT? (good question)
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: AKRONVM.167C2C4EC.MSIMMON
Organization: The University of Akron


 
Well, in the school I was in, we used belts.  It gave a sense of where
you were in the class in relation to others, and a list of people to
as for help visually.  Granted, we were a small school, and everyone knew
everyone eventually anyway, but it helped initially.
 
Also, if you went to another affiliated school, it gave the instructor
a way to see how far along you were (such as American Jiu-Jitsu Association).
Certain things you knew, but forget to mention, wouldn't be a problem this way.
 
Just my 2c worth...
Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Relationships between sword and jo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 13:41:20 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: information
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Keywords: serious reply...

In article <odvQV3W00iUyQ5Vdk=@andrew.cmu.edu> ml57+@andrew.cmu.edu (Meron Langsner) writes:

>
>   On first glance, many jo and sword techniques look similar, does
>anyone know of any relationships between these wepons ? My theory is
>that the samurai, who were already proficient swordsmen, applied the
>same skills to their walking sticks, then added on.

	i don't know about other styles, but in our style, the staff is the 
father of all weapons.  from the staff, all techniques for weapons are derived.
i would think that it is logical to believe that a similar progression occurs
in other styles.  but it isn't necessarily a rule, i'm sure....
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-
.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Meaning?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:09:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr6.180639.26546@cs.yale.edu> liu-edward@CS.YALE.EDU (Edward Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.214555.28668@u.washington.edu>  
>ngqtuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Tuan Nguyen) writes:
>If you accept this, then you can conclude that if your body is stable, your
>mind will be stable and vice versa.  

Well, stability gives your "monkey mind" one less thing to distract you
with. If you spend all your time worrying about whether or not you're
falling over, you're not going to achieve even a semblance of _mushin_.

>So, if you are sitting in a very stable
>position, then meditation becomes that much more effective -- your body's own
>stability is aiding your mind's stability.

I'd say that's pretty likely...I'm good enough at distracting myself in a 
*stable* position ;-)

>   The next thing that my seminar professor pointed out is that triangular
>structures are the most stable ...
>
>   (Note: I don't *quite* buy into this.)  

Why not? As Euclid pointed out, three non-colinear points determine a plane. A 
triangular base guarantees stability (as long as the line between your center 
of gravity and the earth's intersects the ground somewhere within that
triangle), a four-point base may not (try it with a four-legged table that
has one short leg). Three non-colinear points *must* lie in a single plane,
four or more points may not...
>
>   Now, this says nothing about what seiza does to your knees...:-).  

Creak! Snap! Pop! What was that? ;-)

Steve