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From: mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:17:38 GMT
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	<HAYES.92Apr8152503@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu>
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	<HAYES.92Apr9011626@python.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA

In article <HAYES.92Apr9011626@python.cis.ohio-state.edu> hayes@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes) writes:

   Barry Margolin writes:
      >Or how about LPF T-shirts. That way we would at LEAST know that they were 
      >busy designing T-shirts if nothing else.

      There is an LPF T-shirt.  I think it was done last year for their march on
      Lotus.  I don't remember what the front has, but the back has their slogan,
      "No writs for bits".

   they still available?

Yes, they are, but the motto changes occasionally.  The front has the
"Statue of Programming Liberty" drawing on it.  Write
`league@prep.ai.mit.edu' for information on colors, slogans, and
getting one.

	-mib
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Phone: (617) 625-4518	  | have already participated in its further trans-
			  | mission, and will doubtless continue to do so.
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Date: 8 Apr 1992 23:54:58 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <HAYES.92Apr8152503@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu> hayes@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes) writes:
>Or how about LPF T-shirts. That way we would at LEAST know that they were 
>busy designing T-shirts if nothing else.

There is an LPF T-shirt.  I think it was done last year for their march on
Lotus.  I don't remember what the front has, but the back has their slogan,
"No writs for bits".
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: sand@milton.u.washington.edu (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: How will man pages be stored under GNU?
Keywords: man pages ultrix bsd puhleeze!
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:24:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I've had the dubious distinction of writing a "man" program that works
with the following storage formats, simultaneously:

 -- Ultrix, with "man?" and "cat?" subdirectories and ".so" pointers
    in the raw files.
 -- Dynix BSD, with "man?" and "cat?" subdirectories, and a flat
    "aliases" file for pointers.
 -- Dynix ptx, with "man?" subdirectories containing preformatted
    files, and a flat "aliases" file for pointers.
 -- Dynix AT&T, with "{a,p,u}_man/man?" subdirectories containing
    preformatted files.

Needless to say, I've got a healthy interest in keeping the GNU
storage format as simple as possible.  Has anyone even bothered to
think about the format?  I suppose mib should get first crack at
choosing one---he's designing the file system they'll be sitting in.
But some suggestions:

 -- Don't use alias files for pointers.  They make life difficult.
    Use ".so" references, if necessary.
 -- Always have the raw files available (they're more versatile), and
    save pre-formatted copies for speed.
 -- "a_man", "p_man" and "u_man" are an abomination.  Avoid them.

Basically, if it uses the Ultrix format, it should be fine.
Questions?  Comments?  Suggestions?  (Yes, I know TeXinfo was supposed
to replace Unix man pages, but I really doubt it will be used to
document something like "strip".)

[If you've got g++ > 2.0 and libg++ >= 2.0, and you'd like to try my
man program out on your system, send me e-mail.  I'm working on
version 2.0, and I'd like to get information on how it runs on
machines besides our own.]

Derek
-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                                     University of Washington
sand@u.washington.edu                University Computing Services Operations
=============================================================================
"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:48:44 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

In article <11507@ksr.com> jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:
>Note that the judge did not dismiss the pieces of Apple's lawsuit for reasons
>which would invalidate the "Look and Feel" concept.  HP and Microsoft stocks
>went up because they were no longer facing a ~$4 billion dollar payment in the
>near future.

But the summary I read did say that the judge ruled that some of the
things Apple was claiming were not subject to copyright, suggesting
that he at least weakened what can be claimed in "look and feel".

Unfortunately, one of the things he left on the table was the "trashcan
icon".

Still, Apple will appeal this thing, so it isn't over yet.


--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
From: gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Wallace)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: od.c source
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:51:24 GMT
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, California

It's in the binutils package, under the name objdump.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: S_STOEHR@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Stoehr Stefan)
Subject: spline for gnuplot
Organization: University of Ulm, FRG
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:29:26 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Hello,
  just one question ,
3 -      is there a spline function for the "data-plot" mode ????



y
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From: hayes@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Originator: hayes@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<BORIS.92Apr8185759@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:25:03 GMT


   Wow, a GNU T-shirt, that would be a thing. Great idea!

Or how about LPF T-shirts. That way we would at LEAST know that they were 
busy designing T-shirts if nothing else.

---PCH
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From: mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell)
Subject: Re: How complete is gnu? What hardware?
Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA
	<1992Apr13.162844.18429@spectrum.xerox.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.162844.18429@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@johnker.henr801@xerox.com (Marty Leisner x76704 siena) writes:

   In article <MIB.92Apr13100041@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
   >
   >The Gnus bulletin.  The electronic version is available from
   >prep.ai.mit.edu, and other places, and the printed version is
   >available from 
   >

   Where on prep?

Turns out I was wrong; sorry.  Send email to gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu, and
he will send you the current copy.

--
Michael Innis Bushnell	  | Blessed is the King
Email: mib@gnu.ai.mit.edu |   who comes in the name of the Lord!
Phone: (617) 625-4518	  | Peace in heaven,
			  |   and glory in the highest heaven!
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From: cox@camelot.unocal.com (Bill Cox (contractor))
Subject: Portability!
Originator: cox@camelot
Organization: Unocal Science and Technology Division, Anaheim, California
Distribution: gnu
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:58:43 GMT

We have just ported GNU make to four very different
machines here.  The effort was about 2 hours total.

The machines are:
	SGI Iris
	H/P 600 (or so)
	Sun SPARC
	Convex

	All different flavors of Unix, totally different
	underlying machines.  Totally successful!

	Good work, you GNUsers, and you C compiler writers!
From: leisner@johnker.henr801@xerox.com (Marty Leisner x76704 siena)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Installing GNU tools on non-Sun/BSD platforms
Keywords: GNU, RCS, platforms
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:09:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Xerox

It would be useful if there was an archive site with postscript documentation.

A TeX system is very useful.  I also understand there is an info format (never
used it, but I'm dying to try ;-) to put all the manuals on-line...


marty
leisner.henr801c@xerox.com
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
(You get what you pay for -- except in software)
From: andreas@xenox.w.open.de (Andreas Laumann)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Where is gld?
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:43:58 GMT
Organization: News & Mail Backbone fuer Wuppertal

In <1992Apr8.145507.27870@sics.se> uddeborg@sisu.se (G|ran Uddeborg) writes:

-->In article <1992Apr2.055258.6626@dxcern.cern.ch> Roberto@sunsci.cern.ch (Roberto Divia) writes:
-->>I am looking for the latest version of gld (the Gnu ld) without success.
-->>It is NOT on prep.ai.mit.edu (at least not in /pub/gnu). Why?

-->It's part of the "binutils" package.

Yes, that's true, but what is the latest version of binutils ??
My latest version is 1.94b 

Ciao
	Andreas 

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   aber noch nicht, oh Herr, noch nicht ! "
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From: paul@allink.com (paul reiber)
Subject: Re: What is Objective-C? (This ought to wake up some folks!)
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: NYNEX ALLINK, White Plains, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:20:34 GMT

Objective-C is a ``merger'' of C and Smalltalk.

It was commercially available and supported well before C++, by
a small (yet outstanding) Connecticut company names Stepstone.

Objcc's not only available for NeXTs... try PC's, Suns, RS's, etc.

There are numerous books on the language, where numerous is defined
as greater than a handful.

Unfortunately, I dont have them here to tell you the titles.

For good material look for anything by Brad Cox.

-paul



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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Mathematica
Date: 30 Mar 92 21:25:32 GMT
	<neuhaus.701348575@vier> <1992Mar24.062631.3689@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan M Lennox (jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu)

Jonathan> gnu math.

Jonathan> The only program with its own Tom Lehrer song!

Yes, yes, YES! God, I love that one.

/Lars (longtime Lehrer fan)
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: I want your opinion on this GNU C feature:
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:40:43 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands

Suppose I write in a c-file:

extern int aap = 0;

and I compile with -Wall, I get a warning that I probbaly did not meant to
define the thing (because of the extern keyword).

There are two ways you can look at this:

1. gcc is right. You should protect people against making this mistake, the
warning should be part of -Wall. Besides, it is bad style and you should
warn against that.

2. gcc is wrong. This is normal C. You should not generate this warning with
-Wall, but maybe with -Wbeginner.

I favour no 2. Let me explain why. The working of `linkage' in C is very
poorly understood by most users. Most people think in terms of `declaration'
and `definition' when they think of the use of the keyword extern. Not many
people have heard of the concept of `tentative definition', let alone they
understand it.

For the sake of clean writing I always write the linkage with any declaration
or definition and I always initialize global variables (which normally depict
global states) in their definition statement. I think that by giving this
warning gcc spreads the wromg understanding of these issues even more. For
many people such a 'beginners' warning will be helpful, but it would have to
be part of -Wbeginner not -Wall. 

I also think warnings about 'style' should definitely not be part of -Wall but
maybe of -Wstyle. I want the freedom to use my style without getting blown
away by warnings about that style not matching with gcc's default.

For people who do not exactly know what `linkage' is:

extern int aap;		/* is a declaration because of a combination of
			 * linkage and missing initializer
			 */
static int aap;		/* so is this one 
			 */

int aap = 0;		/* is a definition because of the initializer. It gets
			 * default linkage extern
			 */
static int aap = 0;	/* so is this one (but with linkage static) 
			 */
extern int aap = 0;	/* so is this one (but again with linkage extern
			 * like "int aap = 0;"
			 */

int aap;	/* this is a `tentative definition'. All tentative definitions
		 * of a variable together with at most 1 definition (with
		 * initializer) within a module are combined into 1 definition.
		 */
-- 
wierda@ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) || I speak for myself and not for my employer.
(+31) 2154 84415/(+31) 35 833539  || Support the League for Programming Freedom!
	"If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
	Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
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From: tower@ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.)
Subject: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Reply-To: tower@prep.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,
    675 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA  02139, USA   +1 (617) 876-3296
Distribution: gnu
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:32:50 GMT

   In article <ST11W.92Apr7094957@menudo.uh.edu> st11w@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:

   >Does anyone have an address (internet or otherwise) for someone who
   >can sell a Gnu T-shirt?  I would like to get the one with the NO
   >circle over "UNIX", but also I'd like to know what else is availible.

FSF has never done a t-shirt for the GNU Project.

I'm aware of several small runs done by different GNU volunteers.
All are out of print.  If anyone is aware of any GNU t-shirts
currently available, please pass details onto:
	gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu

As noted earlier, the League for Programming Freedom has done several
versions of their "Liberty fighting for Software Freedom" t-shirt.
Details on what is currently available from:
	league@prep.ai.mit.edu

enjoy -len

PS: By the way, what do you think of look-and-feel lawsuits? 
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Money and free programs...
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:47:31 GMT

In article <MIB.92Apr15143442@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes:

>In article <1632@ltb.ltb.bso.nl> wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
>
>   I am working on a program that I want to distribute under the GNU
>   license. But I would like to put in a statement a la:
>
>	   "if you like this program and you would like to pay a small
>   amount for it to show that, please do so"
>
>What's the problem?  The FSF says just this in much of its software.

Isn't it explicitly said, as well, that the concept "free" does not
refer to price, but rather, to a lack of ownership of software?  (If I
GNU more about it I'd locate references.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, there's homosexuality in all animals
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras
From: pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: How complete is gnu? What hardware?
Summary: I would like basic info on gnu products...
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:29:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: srl01.pgf.703132146
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

I have heard for a while about the GNU project, and I was wondering:
how close is GNU to providing a complete operating system?

And besides the standard operating system, and emacs (which I use
religiously) where could I find a comprehensive list of software
(with say an 80 char description) "published" under the GNU aegis,
including emacs add-ons like calc?

Finally, what hardware will GNU run on?

I've heard a rumor somewhere that GNU will not port to Apples due
to its rather brain-dead policies. Keeping in mind the fact that

1> Apple is trying to become a systems software company,

and 

2> Living well is the best revenge,

perhaps it would be best to port GNU to the Macs, and provide Mac users
to an alternative to Apple's monopolistic systems software, and put
Apple out of the system software business on its own machine?

You'd probably get a large donation from Steve Jobs just for trying :-).

--
PPhil Fraering pgf@srl05.cacs.usl.edu 318/365-5418
"How about a dragon that breathes neutrons instead of fire?  Kills the
elves, leaves the buildings intact..." - Nick Szabo
From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:27:36 EDT
Distribution: gnu

Wall Street certainly did *not* speak out "Look and Feel" lawsuits.

fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>On Tuesday Judge Walker dismissed almost all of Apple's
>"Look and Feel" lawsuit against Microsoft and HP.  On
>Wednesday the stock market expressed its opinion on what
>this means for the future of the computer industry:
>		Change		Close
>		------		-----
>Microsoft:	+$11.875	$128.875
>HP:		+$ 2.50		$ 82.375
>Apple:		+$ 1.75		$ 60.50

Note that the judge did not dismiss the pieces of Apple's lawsuit for reasons
which would invalidate the "Look and Feel" concept.  HP and Microsoft stocks
went up because they were no longer facing a ~$4 billion dollar payment in the
near future.
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From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: GNU Lint?
    <1992Apr3.182448.1894@cc.gatech.edu> <0=ljpdm.jsteele@netcom.com> 
    <ABRAHAM.92Apr5123726@loke.iesd.auc.dk> <!fpjk0n.jsteele@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:26:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

I compile code with GCC and keep the warning settings turned on in
CFLAGS in the Makefile. This means I get error checking
_as_I_develop_. This is so much faster and nicer than the lint
approach: work on things for a while, and then run lint and go back
and correct things. I haven't used lint since I discovered all the
good warning options in GCC.

Plus, if you are willing to use emacs, the compile-edit-debug cycle is
made very easy.

None of this holds a candle to Centerline C/C++, a very fancy
graphically oriented C interpreter. I demo'd a copy of it (when it was
Saber C) several years ago, and it beat everything I'd seen then or
since. I just hope that wherever I end up, I get to use a copy of it.
For that matter, one of the prerequisites for buying a home system
will be that Centerline C has to run on it :). I'd say right now that
using it would speed development by a factor of three. I ran a medium
size software system through it, and found bugs that lint never saw,
bugs that had been, well, bugging me to death.

Sean

-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
From: brendan@cs.widener.edu (Brendan Kehoe)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: I want your opinion on this GNU C feature:
Date: 14 Apr 1992 12:00:40 -0400
Organization: Widener University Computer Science Dept, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: shirley.cs.widener.edu

wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl wrote:
>extern int aap = 0;
>[...]
>There are two ways you can look at this:
>
>1. gcc is right. You should protect people against making this mistake, the
>warning should be part of -Wall. Besides, it is bad style and you should
>warn against that.
>
>2. gcc is wrong. This is normal C. You should not generate this warning with
>-Wall, but maybe with -Wbeginner.
>
>I favour no 2.

According to section 4.8.2 of Harbison & Steele, ANSI's adopted the
policy that it's illegal to have both an initializer and the storage
class extern in a declaration.

-- 
Brendan Kehoe, Sun Network Manager                      brendan@cs.widener.edu
Widener University                                                 Chester, PA
From: mani@aix.Berkeley.EDU (Mani Varadarajan)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GNU spreadsheet
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: aix.MANI.92Apr7140100
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: aix.berkeley.edu


the name of the gnu spreadsheet and where i can get it from 
(i assume prep) escape me right now. can someone please email
mani@sprite.berkeley.edu and tell me whre it is? i looked in the
DISTRIB file in /pub/gnu/etc, and i couldn't find it.

thanks,
mani
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From: nash@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Ron Nash)
Subject: GNU make-3.62 runtime problem
Organization: San Diego State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:50:44 GMT

I'm trying to install GNU Make-3.62 on a BSD 4.3 system (Elxsi 6400)
and am having some problems.  It complies OK, but dumps core when
run in file.c line 91.  When run in the make-3.62 directory, this line:

    if (streq (f->name, name))
   break;

is dumping core.  Using a debugger, I find that "f->name" is undefined
and the garbage in memory is causing the strcmp (within streq) to die.

I am at a loss as to why this is so.  Any hints or clues to check on?

Thanks.

-- 
Ron Nash 	San Diego State University
Internet:  	nash@ucselx.sdsu.edu
Gin-N-Tonic	6 year old Arab/Saddlebred endurance horse
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