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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Copnsequences of getting a ticket
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:43:23 GMT

While reading article <25495@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, I noticed that
jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov said the following:
 >Nor, in fact, is one required to carry any form of identification
 >in public places here in the precariously free United States. Under 
 >some circumstances, such as operating a motor vehicle, one is 
 >required to carry and present on demand a license or permit that
 >happens to constitute identification.  Most people find it convenient 
 >to have official photographic ID issued by the state, meaning either 
 >a driver's license or the nonlicense ID card they'll issue to you if 
 >you don't drive. And most people are perfectly willing to show this
 >to the police upon request.  But if, for whatever reason, you don't have 
 >ID on you and a cop wants to know who you are, you tell him, and he just 
 >takes it at face value, the penalty being a charge of making a false 
 >statement to a police officer. Big civil liberties issue here.

However, I believe that if you don't have an ID and the officer(s) involved
has a reason to believe you may be lying ("Really, officer, my name is
'Napoleon Bonaparte') it is perfectly within their discretion to take you
back to the station with them until which time your identity is verified.

Notice, however, the difference between doing this at random and doing this in
response to a crime (the running of the stoplight by the bicyclist in the
original post.)
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:17:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Traffic limitations
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

In rec.autos.driving, Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing) writes:

|At least we do not all live in Tokyo where before you can buy a car you
|have to prove that you have off street parking for it . As you will all
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|know land prices in Tokyo are out of this world and big sister made some
|good tax free yen with her car park at her house before she bought her 
|car.

Not unless you get a turbo 16V Honda Beat!  Check out the power to weight
ratio and you'd go for it -- but don't get hit from the rear 'cos there's not
much between the rear and the driver :-)

lawrence
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 15 Aug 1992 09:05:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug15.083844.17819@csus.edu> aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
>Just today, I was driving I-280 south from San Francisco,
>when there was this white Chevy Beretta going sooo slow
>

How about all those people who just seem to somehow form a wall in front
of you on a 4 lane freeway and going at a respective 54 MPH?  (i.e. 880)
I'm so use to driving in the LA area that I am surprised at this sort of 
driving behavior in the SF area.  Down there if it's possible to go 
80, then go for it.  I am hesistant to use the flasher because I get the
impression that people get annoyed at it and will only do everything
they can to slow down as much as possible... ('specially those who drive
the pocket-rockets.)

just my two cents.

david shy
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Driving 55
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:41:28 GMT

neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>So this idea occurred to me the other day - what if you actually
>started a nationwide movement to drive exactly 55, or less,
>actually, since 55 is a "limit". [...]
>Would the resulting traffic jams and congestion, and loss
>of revenue cause government to wake up and raise the limit?

A couple (four?) years ago the MA State Police stated outright to one
of the local newspapers (The Globe, I think, since I avoid The Herald)
that they won't stop anyone doing under 65mph on the Pike (this was
before they raised the limit on the western end).  Traffic problems
was one of the reasons cited.  I felt that was very pragmatic at the
time.

I suppose that another unstated reason was that they don't need to
bother with the mainstream doing 65-70mph when there's always someone
doing 80mph+.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:00:28 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Aug13.140537.5223@access.digex.com>  jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>Has anyone seen this commerical?
>
>Heh..I like it..the announcer says, "Even the 65 grand ZR-1 doesn't
>come with this cup holder that is in the Caviler"...

Did they change the vettes this year, I know my 87 has a cup holder, 2
if you remove the ashtray. I'm pretty sure the 1990s still had cup holders.
Tom
Xref: sparky rec.autos:19908 rec.autos.tech:11069
From: ekdug@b56vxg.kodak.com (Linda Stustman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Help me find Hub Centric Rings for my car ('89 MR2 + Enkei wheels)
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:31:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.165525.20438@riacs.edu>, chang@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Zwei-Tseng Chang -- ACF) writes...
> 
> 
>I need your help to find the right size hub centric rings to fit
>my Enkei wheels to my '89 Toyota MR2.
> 
>I have the following:
> 
>1)  ENK82-4640-1   14x6 4-100 FWD left   ( 2 left wheels )
>2)  ENK82-4640-2   14x6 4-100 FWD right  ( 2 right wheels )
>3)  Dunlop D60 M2  195-60-R14            ( 4 tires )
> 
> 
>The problem I have:
> 
>Steering wheel vibrates when the car is travelling at 50-70 mph
> 

Welcome to the wonderful world of famoust "MR2 shimmy". Step right up.
What you're describing seems to be a VERY common problem. At least my
'85 exibits the same kind of shake. Some people suggested that this is due
to overtorquing the lug nuts (they must be at 76-80 lb-ft)
The best advise is the following:
- Drive faster (it desappears at 120 mph, I'm serious)
- Subscribe to MR2 and Toyota mailing lists and see if anybody had actually
found a cure for the problem. Email me at mns6569@ritvax.isc.rit.edu, if you
need email addresses for this clubs. Hey, they are free, and MR2 one is a must.
Mike.S
PS. Do you also get a nasty vibration when you step on the brakes at highway
speeds. If so, your rotors are warped from overtorquing. Another common
"benefit" of waight-saving treatment (very thin light rotors).
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stealth? NOT!
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <8448.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us 
(David Bonds) writes:
> Really?  Guess that between the black paint on my SHO, and the Uniden
> on the visor, I'm pretty safe (hopefully!  nothing yet...)

What you didn't know you were safe in your SHO?  I think we need to start a
new car club for Black SHOs -- we can call it the Stealth Street Fighters.:-)




PS Having a Black SHO didn't help me on Seaport Blvd in Redwood City
CA one afternoon.

Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel, Jr.)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Stanford U
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:08:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.165128.1350@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill) writes:
>
>	Well, '82 and later VW diesels have fast-glow plugs.  Even with the
>pre-glow cycle, my Rabbit still starts in less time than anything else I
>drive regularly or any previous car I've owned.  ('85 Plymouth Reliant, '81
>Ford Escort, '81 Chevy Chevette, '88 Ford Econoline 350, '87 Dodge Ram
>Van 350, '88 Dodge Ram Van 350, and 2 Chevys of unknown vintage)
>

Is that 9 cars in 10 years, or what?  In thinking about it, I've gone
through a total of about 9 in 15 (a Valiant, 2 Opels [needed a
psychiatrist during that phase of life], a Buick, 4 Fords [now driving
a Ford wagon], and one Rabbit diesel.  It should also be noted that I
have one Nashiki Semi-pro bicycle that has done me good for the past
18 years!  That might say something about reliability.

C
From: hecate@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: HONDA CIVIC FOR SALE
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:02:27 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

FOR SALE< HALIFAX NOVA SCOTIA 

Honda Civic hatchback 1990 standard shift, with radio/tape deck.
@20,000 km. Red. Excellent condition, driven by female. Marvellous
mileage. Snow tires included. Asking $9500. Local answers only,
please, and serious. Please email to this address.

J. Holland
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: HumVee 4 Sale??
Keywords: HumVee, AMC
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:50:31 GMT

|> It is my understanding that AMC sells military-grade HumVees to the 
|> general populus.  Does anyone know who or where to contact AMC for this 
|> information?  Thanks.

I think only the civilian street-legal version is available to the public.
These are popular with logging companies, forest rangers, and others who need
a super-study vehicle.  Price is about $40K and you have to pick it up at the
factory.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: bozek@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Slick 50 Experiment/testimonial/whatever
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:34:53 GMT


     The cooling problem on the J200 is tough. Been avoiding 
this subject due to the testimonial basis of most our experiances.

     George's sister gave him an old Ford Maveric. He tore the
motor down and reassembled it with Slick 50 coating all moving surfaces.
Timing chain, cylinder walls...  Fired it up and them proceeded to 
drive it with out oil. It went 6 miles before it blew up.

     He said that the temperature guage read normal until suddenly
it pegged out, just prior to the full meltdown.

     This happened. Must be that the frictional forces generate
a large portion of the heat produced by the motor.

    We don't buy the treatment, just the grease. This is what was 
used for the experiment. Someone might think this strange, but he
has an adapter to thread into the block where the oil pressure sending
unit is attached. After pulling of a valve cover you can see/feel that 
every surface has been coated. Think it's about ten pumps. 

    If you take a hotplate, heat a quart of oil and put S 50
in it, you get the treatment. Beats paying 30+
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Subject: Re: Caravan Carpet / Floor Mats
Originator: mja@hercules
Reply-To: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:42:27 GMT


In article <23471@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) writes:
|> Call me excessive but I got the factory carpeted floor mats with my
|> 1988 Caravan. Good heavy rubber backing. Then I used Scotchgard on both
|> the original carpeting and the carpet side of the mats. THEN I got some
|> bathroom throw rugs in a matching color and wrapped them around the
|> floor mats in front and just put them over the floor mats for the bench
|> positions. They hold the dirt well and can be shaken out and washed.
|> I also used one simply folded in half for the area by the sliding door
|> where the kids get in. That's probably the most important thing. It
|> catches the dirt before it can be tracked further.

Why get any  factory carpet at all? Just to cover it up? Do you also
buy furniture covers too? Why not just remove the floor mats and leave the
throw rugs? It does seem excessive to me, but of course it is your Caravan.

|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 1720.1       ?
|> David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
|> Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|
|> 
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Old topic:  Saturns
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Aug20.083038.6547@news.cs.indiana.edu> alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:
>I know that Saturn has been rolled over and over and over again in
>this newsgroup, but I have to ask: 
>
>1)Is the customer service as great as they make it to be?  
 
    Is anything, ever?   Remember it doesn't have to be much better
    than atrocious to beat the competition. 
>
>2)Is there really more "honest" pricing, like the sticker is what you
>pay, no haggling and back stabbing, etc?
>
    Pretty much.  

>3)I'm not real familiar with the available models, and we have no
>dealer here.  So, until I get to Indy to look, what are some of the
>smaller models, and price range? 

   You may want to wait a month, the Saturn's are just about all
   sold out for the '92 model year at most dealers...who are taking
   orders only for the new 93 models.  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Traders Forum...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:32:37 GMT


Is there a forum for people with Ferraris, Lambos, and other
collectors cars around here? Anyone have an '90 512TR, 348ts,
or a 308 for sale? Please email replies.....
~s
CW
-- 
Carlin Wiegner a.k.a. C-Man based here in Cleveland, Ohio, USA!
aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu or rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
"Anything less [than a NeXT] would be uncivilized..."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: larrigan@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (John Larrigan)
Subject: Cassette player head cleaner
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:46:37 GMT

The "clean" light just went on in my car stereo which means the head
has to be cleaned.  The owners manual says to use a commercial cassette
head cleaner.  Does anyone have any tips or recommendations on which
brand or type to use???

Thanks in advance

John L.
From: jonc@dworkin.Amber.COM (Jon Cochran)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Other police techs...
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:21:48 GMT
Organization: Labyrinth II BBS


     I cruise the NJ turnpike alot going to school and I see alot of the new 
methods, and it pays for me to watch since I set the cruise at 75.  Some of 
the more devious are....

     Two undercovers.  One pulls a person over and another cruises by.  Most 
people zip by a cop pulled over giving a tickett and the second can just 
pick someone off.
     By far the most devious I've seen is two undercovers, one pretending to 
pull another one over.  When someone  zips by one takes off, leaving the 
second one to get someone else nearby caught unawares.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:09:09 GMT

In <1992Aug18.155734.3591@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (M. Anne Shackelford) writes:

>I am graduating from school and am interested in purchasing a small reliable car
>- preferably hatchback.

>Do you have recommendations of cars to consider buying and cars to consider NOT
>buying.

I _HIGHLY_ recommend an '81 or later Rabbit Diesel.  I know someone who has
750,000 miles on one he drives daily, I had one that I sold with 305,000
miles on it (it still got 40-45 mpg on the hwy) and I currently own one with
about 125,000 miles on it.  (My _new_ one.)  They're cheap to run, reliable,
can use most parts from 81-84 water cooled VW's, and sound like a school bus
when you start them in cold weather.  (Who could ask for more?)  And I never
had any trouble with the old one in cold weather--even if I didn't plug it
in at -10f.  If you have any questions about the car, get in touch with me. 
Anyone else have any long-lived diesels out there?

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Radar Detector: which one?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:16:44 GMT

leo@avs.com (Leo O'Donnell) writes:
>    Recently, I've found that my favorite way to drive to work
>    has become inundated with speed traps. There seems to be
>    two kinds; side of the road, and sneak up behind. I'd like
>    to keep my driving-record clean, so I'm looking to buy a
>    detector. There are a lot to choose from. In your opinion, 
>    which one should I buy?

If they sneak up behind you, chances are a detector won't help.  They
won't be using radar, but will clock your speed.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: Old topic:  Saturns
Organization: None
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.083038.6547@news.cs.indiana.edu> Amy Young Leith <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>I know that Saturn has been rolled over and over and over again in
>this newsgroup, but I have to ask: 
>
>1)Is the customer service as great as they make it to be?  

Its been great in the year since I bought my SC model

>2)Is there really more "honest" pricing, like the sticker is what you
>pay, no haggling and back stabbing, etc?

Sticker is the "fair market value", as they repeat over and over.
I found no haggling possible on the sticker but plenty of room to
haggle on my tradein.

No back stabbing per se, but the resident "financial consultant"
tried to convince me to lease (turned out to be a bad deal, after
I ran the numbers) and also to buy extended warranty - I declined.

>3)I'm not real familiar with the available models, and we have no
>dealer here.  So, until I get to Indy to look, what are some of the
>smaller models, and price range? 

Let me try - prices are estimated guesses
SL   4 door entry model, 85 hp    8,500
SL1  next model up, 85 hp         9,900
SL2  4 door best sedan, 124 hp    11,000
SC   2 door sports coupe, 124 hp  13,000

Options include: sunroof, abs brakes, stereo upgrades. 

Why don't you call them at 1-800-553-6000 and have them send
you literature....

>
>amy

Hope that helps...

Joe





Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mvelasco@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Velasco)
Subject: Re: Why install custom wheels?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:19:16 GMT

lin@wharton.upenn.edu writes:



>Browsing through some auto magazines, I saw a whole lot of wheels
>advertisements.  Some of them cost over $2000 for a set.  I know that
>different tires give you different performances and their prices might
>vary quite a bit, but I'm not too sure how wheels can make such an
>improvement on your car to warrant such an expenditure.  I guess there
>must be something offered by a set of BBS that my factory wheels are 
>lacking.  Can somebody enlighten me on this?  Besides, what do you do
>with your original wheels after installing new wheels?

I guess it is up to one's taste.  People usually install custom wheels for
the design--it would raise the appeal of their cars.  That is one of the
"probable reason" but another point about wheels is that they provide better
braking ventilation, and also (in some wheels) make cleaning of brake dusts 
easier. Market customs wheels also are lighter (some) compared to factory
installed wheels. And finally... people have extra cash.
I wish dealers would sell the wheels as an option (in some cars).

Matt   
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Market Share: Start your Engines!
Summary: I can't drive 55.
Keywords: Rev!, babes and cars (just kidding)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:31:49 GMT

Just out of curiosity, what is the market share of Japanese auto companies
selling their vehicles in the USA?

What is the market share of Japanese auto companies in Japan?

I remember seeing the stats before, but I forgot.  Also, please e-mail
to me.  I'll post a summary.

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From: Rainer_Hauer@mindlink.bc.ca (Rainer Hauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Electric Cars
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:07:00 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world


Hi Folks,

It seems to me that with all the talk that's taken place recently on different

newsgroups (rec.autos, sci.environment etc..) as well as impending

legislation in California and all the research that's taking place in

car companies etc, that it would be a good idea if a group was created

specificically for this class of vehicle.

Suggested topics could include:

Relative pollution levels between electric and combustion vehicles ( to be

turned into a FAQ?).

Currect vehicles available (US and worldwide)

Current
News articles

Town planning w.r.t electric vehicles

Legal aspects (e.g. crash resistance, or lack of it!)

etc,etc.

The group could be called something like rec.autos.electric.

How about it then, anybody interested in a group like this ?

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