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From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Issac Asimov -- Dead : (
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:53:01 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.

This might be appropriate for many....

Shaping your stone means quietly doing your job, as well as you can.
Your identity will soon be lost to history, but your stone, if well
shaped and polished will fit into the structure we call civilization
and hold its weight, as time sweeps past us and others build upon us.
History is full of greed, horror and the worst in mankind - but
humanness is built of well shaped loving lives. What we do matters,
and if there is beauty in the world it is because many quiet souls
have shaped their stones well, and the cathedral of life is beautiful
after all. 

Tom McGetchen -1936-1979 (in Basaltic Volcanism on the Terrestrial
Planets, Pergamon Press, 1981)  

Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
From: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: helium again
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:54:02 GMT
Organization: Psi INc.

In article <1992Apr7.235223.7986@athena.cs.uga.edu>, pellock@athena.cs.uga.edu (Rebekah Turner) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi again.
> Could someone post or email me who discovered helium and when?
> Thanks in advance!!!
> 
> Brett
> pellock@athena.cs.uga.edu

CHECK YOUR CRC!  *grin*

-- 
     .         .      .       .   ______-==-______. ______-==-______        .
.      .    .       .   __-------=----------------==----------------=-------___
 ________________  _  _-  -------=________________==________________=-------  .
(______________(_||_)/_______/  .    .  ----              ---- .          .
   /_____/_____           _-               .        .    .           .
 .         .   \________ -    .  "Number 1, set a course to the main() routine,
  Capt. Mycroft Holmes III   .    recursive warp factor 6."      .        .
  CO, USS Beelzebub     .            .        .Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
. Recursive Class Starship . NCC+=666++   .     You will be missed... .     .
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From: irwin@iago.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
Subject: Re: Large black hole discovered ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.080713.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes...
>In article <1992Apr15.171505.4707@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>> I read in the local paper here, that NASA has recently discovered an
>> alleged enormous (10^6 solar masses) black hole at the centre of M32.
>> 
>> Is this new ?  Is it a reliable "discovery"?  What's it all about ?
>> 
>> Can anyone enlighten us ?
> 
>from how you worded that, it sounds like they're awfully positive about this
>black hole, and it's size!  one can extrapolate to the idea that there are
>black holes in the center of galaxies...I'm guessing M32 is such...altho
>that one has skipped me.  I'd be curious as to how they know.  there could
>be many different signatures for a black hole, most of them can mean other
>things!  anyone have the estimated size of the gravitational object at the
>center of this galaxy?
>
The most recent data comes from the Planetary Camera on the Hubble Space
Telescope.  Images of the central regions show an increasing stellar
density (for an assumed M/L ratio) that is consistent with either a black
hole of about 3x10^6 solar masses or a star cluster of similar mass.  Other
data, in particular Richstone's and Dressler's rotation curves for M32,
are what give the mass estimates.  Theory is required to show that if it is
a cluster of massive stars, that they would have collapsed on a very short
timescale (order 10^7 years) and it is this instability to gravitational
collapse by a cluster which results in the greater emphasis on there being
a BH in the center (which would give a much longer collapse timescale).
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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Model Atmospheres Preprint Info Wanted
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:14:18 GMT

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Help ... I'm trying to uncover a copy of R. Kurucz's 1991 preprint with his new
extensive grids of model atmospheres for solar metallicities.  Can someone tell
me which "Number" this preprint was assigned in the Harvard-Smithsonian Center
for Astrophysics Preprint Series?  I know it's out there somewhere, but I
haven't had any luck finding it at our institution and I also haven't had any
luck in contacting Dr. Kurucz himself.  I'd be even more grateful if someone
who had an extra copy of the paper could ship me off a copy, but I'd settle
just for the Preprint Number.  On a related note ... can anyone "close" to CfA
and Bob Kurucz bring me up-to-date on his current work to extend the grids to
non-solar metallicities?  Just curious.  Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers,
   Brad

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Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Large black hole discovered ?
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:15:03 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

I read in the local paper here, that NASA has recently discovered an
alleged enormous (10^6 solar masses) black hole at the centre of M32.

Is this new ?  Is it a reliable "discovery"?  What's it all about ?

Can anyone enlighten us ?
------
Bill Taylor.               wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz
From: SCMCC@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Stephen McCluskey)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: archeoastronomy
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:34:58 GMT
Distribution: usa


Jeff --
     You've raised a tough one; there's really not much on archaeoastronomy
east of the Mississippi.  Most of the focus has been on the Southwest and
(to some extent) the Great Plains, where there's a decent ethnographic
record to supplement the archaeology.
     Let me suggest three sources:
        AUTHOR: Collea, Beth Ann.
         TITLE: A selected bibliography on native American astronomy / Beth A.
                  Collea, Anthony F. Aveni.
     PUB. INFO: [Hamilton, N.Y. : Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, Colgate
                  University, 1978.]
   DESCRIPTION: 148 p. ; 28 cm.
    Thre's also a later supplement from the mid-80's that brings that up to
date.
     Next would be the journal _Archaeoastronomy_ (Supplement to Journal
for the History of Astronomy) which has a good index to its articles in
vol. 20 (1989).
     Last, but hard to find and not very easy to use, are the "In the Current
Literature" articles in _Archaeoastronomy: Bulletin of the Center for
Archaeoastronomy_ (College Park, Md.) that list, and often comment on,
recent articles and books.  This journal has recently become very sporadic
in its publication schedule.
     Hope these three help.
--  Steve McCluskey
From: scott.smith@matrix.sbs.com (Scott Smith) 
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Another Messier Marathon
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.smith@matrix.sbs.com (Scott Smith) 

Robert,  (Robert Allen Agnew)
  Your message and info on the Messier Marathon prompted me
  to write you a brief one myself regarding my participation
  in it.  Four people in my group, the Birmingham Astronomical
  Society, conducted our own M.M. on the evening of April 3rd.
  We were lucky enough to have clear skies and not too cold
  temperatures.  We made it through the whole night, and by
  some stroke of luck, I found the most objects.  105 of the
  110 on the listing to be exact.
  That in itself is not so unusual, but the fact that I was
  using a 10 year old RV-6, and they were using CAT's ranging
  in aperture from 10" to 25", is.  My main (and only)
  advantage was manueverability <sp>, in that I moved my scope
  easily around buildings and treelines.  That is how I managed
  to get more objects! The ones I missed were: M 74, M 77,
  M 31, M 32, M 110.  I did this 2 years ago, and got 104
  objects, so at least I improved!

  Scott  Smith


 * SLMR 2.1a * I'm an astronomer, not an astrolger.
From: aoab314@emx.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: test...
Date: 22 Mar 92 20:59:56 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Center for Space Research, U of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


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From: oler@rho.uleth.ca (Cary Oler)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 04 April
Date: 5 Apr 92 06:46:45 GMT
Organization: University of Lethbridge

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From: klaes@verga.enet.dec.com (Larry Klaes)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
Subject: Request for Clyde Tombaugh's mail address
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:30:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


        Does anyone have the mail address for Clyde Tombaugh, the man
    who discovered the planet Pluto in 1930?  Please feel free to 
    E-mail the address to me if you would rather not post it to the
    USENET.

        Thank you.

        Larry Klaes  klaes@verga.enet.dec.com
		     or - ...!decwrl!verga.enet.dec.com!klaes
    		     or - klaes%verga.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
                     or - klaes%verga.enet.dec.com@uunet.uu.net

             "All the Universe, or nothing!" - H. G. Wells

        EJASA Editor, Astronomical Society of the Atlantic
From: Riku.Henriksson@f310.n222.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Riku Henriksson)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Beginners and circles
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:06:30 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:222/310 - Portti, Tampere

From: Riku.Henriksson@f310.n222.z2.FIDONET.ORG
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:10:00 GMT
Organization: Finnish Deep Sky -section
Newsgroups: sci.astro

  In his article dated 2 Apr 92, jack@cscdec.cs.com (Jack Hudler) writes.

JH> What! are you brain damaged or something! How can you make such a JH> ridiculous statement.

  The answer is: Easily, I'm an observer. I couldn't help noticing that Jack Hudler works in Computer Support Corporation. I guess a sta-tement from such a professional can't be totally objective.

  What I do appreciate, is Jack's knowlegde in brain surgery, since it seems he can tell whether your brains are ok or not, just by looking couple lines you have written.

  By the way Jack. 'cause my statement 'bout Simeis 147 and setting circles was so ridicilous, I ask when did you last time see it by using setting circles?

  In my article, I examined that topic from my point of view. I ment that usually a Deep Sky -observer, like me, cannot search all objects, especially really faint ones (and I don't mean M74 by faint) with circles. Of course you can find the field an object is in, but then you need a map to closet look. This is not fantasy, but reality. The faintest objects cannot be seen unless exact location is known.

  If you will give me feedback, please do it in a creative manner. It would be much more use if I knew which part you didn't agree. I even doubt if "are you brain damaged" is a feedback at all. If you do not agree, let me know what's wrong in my opinion and we will discuss it like a civilized human beings.

PS. The opinions in this article do not represent the official policy of the Finnish Deep Sky -section.




       Riku.Henriksson@f310.n222.n2.FIDONET.ORG

  "A man without a scope is like a fish without a bicycle!!"




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Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: mlcole@nevada.edu (Michael L. Cole)
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Telescopes
Organization: SCS-DataComm
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:26:50 GMT


i have 2 "notebooks" i purchased thru a mail-order catalog 10 years ago about
constructing a homemade interferometer.  i'll pull them out of the attic and
e-mail a brief synopsis of the material.

                                         regards -- mlcole@redrock.nev.edu
From: dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Query about "black hole" observations
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:14:43 GMT
Organization: Max Planck Institut fuer Radioastronomie

In <BM6x7K.7GK@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:

>I have two queries: 
>(1) What will be required to convince the majority of the scientific
>community that a black hole has actually been observed? 
>(2) When might this occur?

IMHO black holes are basically *politics*! Have a look at the press releases
from the STScI or NASA in general, look at what newspapers think is the most
important thing in the universe or browse through astronomers' proposals for
getting money - there are more 'black holes' around than anyone could ask for.

But if you look at the data regarding the alleged whereabouts of said black
holes, there's very little. a) in binary stars - another consistent way to
explain invisible objects with .gt.3 solar masses is to have a neutron star
with a massive disk (no other evidence than excess mass has ever been presen=
ted as an indication of a black hole in a binary system [reference on request]);
b) in galactic centers - first of all,the mass determination is tricky and
always less clearcut than some authors want us make to believe (e.g. there's
evidence that there are no more than 100 solar masses in our own gal.center,
contrary to the 'standard' view of 10^6), and then there are other things one
could imagine in AGN's that would explain related phenomena as well, such as
the existence of relativistic jets and of a powerful wind (as seen in our g.c.).
There also used to 'be'  c) a b.h. inside our sun in order to explain the
solar neutrino deficit, but I haven't heard about this idea for many years now,
perhaps it's to frightening for the average earth-bound astrophysicist ... :-)

+ dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de - Daniel  Fischer - p515dfi@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de +
| Max-Planck-Institut f. Radioastronomie, Auf dem Huegel 69, W-5300 Bonn 1,FRG |

  (Needless to say that the above is my personal view of things; many folks at
  this institute have a *very* different view - e.g. just yesterday I heard a
   'proof' that in our galactic center there's a Kerr black hole rotating a
    maximum angular momentum. Other scientists present were not amused...)

          >>>>> BAN BLACK HOLES FROM ASTRONOMICAL ADVERTISING ! <<<<<
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From: Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Stategic Defense System, Accidental Launch System, and related.
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:52:23 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.space
Organization: none
In-reply-to: jremer@ub.d.umn.edu's message of 6 Apr 92 23:00:19 GMT

In article <2833@ub.d.umn.edu> jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy C. Remer) writes:

>I would like to start a discussion about the Stategic
>Defense Inititive (SDI) and the Accidental Launch Protection System (ALPS).

>...[deleted for brevity]...

>That should be enough to start a discussion.  

That should be enough to start a _lot_ of discussion.  The question is,
why are followups directed to sci.astro, instead of talk.politics.space?
(Note that followups to this article _are_ directed there.)

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Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: jcm3r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Carl Martin)
Subject: Re: Shape and Size of Universe
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:46:20 GMT

>>>1.  What is the most widely accepted theory of the shape of the
>>>	universe?  A four-dimensional hypersphere? 
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Since when is 'hypersphere' a layman's term?
>
>Since when are "laymen" interested in the Shape and Size of the Universe?  :-)
>

Since when the first man looked to the heavens in wonder!
From: sstrazdu@ecocd4.intel.com (Stephen Strazdus)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Save Palomar Observatory!
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:13:06 GMT
Organization: [Western Whiptail Observatory,Intel Corporation], Chandler, AZ

Palomar or Cal Tech or whoever is in charge should negotiate a contract
with some big Japanese company.  It should be something to the effect,
if San Diego changes its street lighting ordinance, they'll sell the
200" Telescope to the aformentioned company who as the purchaser agrees
to relocate the telescope on some dark Japanese island.  [liberally
sprinkle with more legalese]

They'll have people wanting to get rid of street lights all together.
--
Steve Strazdus    sstrazdu@sedona.intel.com
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From: pellock@athena.cs.uga.edu (Rebekah Turner)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.chem
Subject: helium again
Summary: need info
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:52:23 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens




Hi again.
Could someone post or email me who discovered helium and when?
Thanks in advance!!!

Brett
pellock@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: malcolm@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Malcolm Porter)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:35:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Issac Asimov -- Dead : (
Organization: HP AEO - London, England
Newsgroups: sci.astro

 NB: The late Mr. Asimov's christian name is spelt ISAAC - as in 'Newton'.

                                          Regards,

                                        Malcolm Porter.
From: hagbard@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Summary: colour of Sirius
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 13:31:59 GMT
Organization: Private UUCP and Transputer Site, Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors) writes:
> Tong B. Tang - Nature 352 p? (4 July 1991)
> R. H. van Gent - Nature 349 p? (7 Feb 1991)
> - these Nature articles have no page number because I photocopied them witho
> but they contain lists of references which will be useful

It is T.B.Tang "Did Sirius change color"  Nature 352,25
      R.H.van Gent "Steady shine" Nature 349,470

--Ralf
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From: jms@spatial.com (Jim Sharpe)
Subject: Hubble Guide Star Catalog on CDROM
Originator: jms@flash
Organization: Spatial Technology, Inc. [Boulder, Co]
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:22:12 GMT


I was just looking through a catalog from the Astronomical Society of the 
Pacific and noticed a two volume cdrom set containing the Hubble space 
telescope guide star catalog.  The copy says nifty things like "18,819,291 
celestial objects" ... "15 million stars and 3 million nonstellar objects."

It also says that "separate software programs are included that allow you to 
read and display graphic information on your Macintosh, or read and display 
text only on your IBM and compatibles."

They're asking $54.95 which seems quite reasonable, but I do have a couple
of questions.  Has anyone with programs like "The Sky", StarGaze, Superstar, 
etc., successfully added this catalog to the distributed databases?   And 
secondly, are cdrom drives for unix boxes (specifically Sun or HP, ISO-9660) 
able to read this version of the Hubble guide star catalog on cdrom?  If not 
does someone else sell such a version?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Jim Sharpe / jms@spatial.com - 

Spatial Technology Inc. 2425 55th Street, Boulder CO  80301    (303)449-0649
From: MITCHELL@birch.mcc.com (L. MITCHELL)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Amsat
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:03:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AI Laboratory, Austin, TX

It 
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From: ja_houser@vax.muskingum.edu (Vince Houser)
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
Subject: question about groups
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:04:06 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

  i hear that thee is a group that give bimonthly coordinates for either

  comets or asteriods i have asked all my other sources and  came up witth

  nothing. if you know anything about this the name of the group or its

  e-mail address please reply to....

    ja_houser@vax.muskingum.edu


    thanks 

    jim houser