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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
Subject: Model UN Conference in Prague
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:55:25 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5750 talk.politics.misc:69507
From: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Dangerous Ideas
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Followup-To: alt.feminism
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

Check followups.

In article <C0z3B1.5FC@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) wrote:
>|
>| ... I think Andrea Dworkin is a dangerous reactionary. ...
>
>Clearly, if Andrea Dworkin is dangerous in any general way,
>it is because of her words and ideas, rather than her 
>physical acts or political power.

I think Andrea Dworkin is dangerous because of her partially successful
attempts to get laws passed which limit freedoms in ways I do not want to 
see happen.

If you insist on building straw men, I am sure you can do better than this.  

On the other hand, you might instead try responding to what people are 
trying to say.  Who knows?  In time you may come to find it as personally
rewarding as trying to win points.

-EMP
Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5749 talk.politics.misc:69491
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: DODie supports Kolker in coerced abortions?
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Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:43:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.162008.11584@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.004906.298@Princeton.EDU> 
>datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
>>mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>
>>> I hope that this latest piece of bilge suffices to demonstrate
>>> that this scum is *not* pro-choice, and that you will retract your
>>> statements that he is.
>
>> Sh-yeah... don't you know by now that when [Holtsinger] sinks his 
>> little mental claws into a distortion, he's loath to let go of it even
>> when proven wrong?
>
>Kolker supports the legal availability of abortion, and contrary
>to what you and Mark Cochran have stated, he does not support
>forced abortion or forced sterilization:  
>
>   "Frankly I am not in favor of involuntary anything (including
>    sterilization), niether am I in favor of being taxed to support these
>    discultured primitives.  Let'em starve, a *give* away sterilizations 
>    for free."
>                    rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
>                    <C0ytpq.3CG@world.std.com>
>
>
>That makes him pro-choice.  I hope I won't have to repeat
>myself again.
>
Why? Getting tired of lying DODie?
his form of coercion is essentially the same as yours. You would use
laws to force women to remain pregnant, or go to jail. He would use
laws to force women to abort, or starve.
I'm shocked that you would condone such an attitude DODie. It's even
more repuslive then your usual antics.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Member, T.S.A.K.C.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.abortion
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal to End Poverty
Keywords: Poverty,Welfare,Abortion,Birth-Control A Modest Proposal
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:14:31 GMT

*WARNING* 

EXTREME LEVELS OF SARCASM CONTAINED HEREIN

*WARNING*


A friend of mine and I have actually discovered a way of eliminating
poverty as well.  And it provides a multiple win situation--not just the
win-win situation proposed by Conan the Liberator.

First, round up all the poor (and the homeless, whether they are poor or
not--this idea has a really big tent!)

Second, give each of the individuals that you rounded up one of those super
squirt paint ball guns.  

Third, take them to the Painted Desert in the Southwest.

Fourth, tell them that they are to assist the military in a guerrila rebel
excercise.

Fifth, give the military their regular standard-issue M-16's, with real ammo.

Sixth, order the military to shoot to kill.

Seventh, wait a week.

What all this serves to do is drastically decrease the poor population in the
United States, while also training the military to operate in arid climes, 
against severely less well equipped opponents.

A second benefit from this is that, at the end of the week, if there are any
survivors from the poor camp, you have crack guerrila warfare troops who will
likely be EARNING a steady income for the next 20 years.

A third benefit is that the jobs that the poor were occupying are now available
to all those students who are looking for ways to earn enough money to buy that
car (or at least pay for the insurance--that's the agreement they make with
Mom and Dad).  The increased spending among the young will help to stimulate the
economy as well, allowing the auto-makers of this country to hire more semi-
skilled labor, increasing the spending power of the not-quite-poor workforce
of our country.

What do you think...easy, eh?

Karen (remember--I WARNED there would be sarcasm.)

Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5781 talk.abortion:57980 alt.flame:19378
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal to End Poverty
From: medkeffjs@hiramb.hiram.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:43:11 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: medkeffjs

In article <C188K9.KzI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
> *WARNING* 
> 
> EXTREME LEVELS OF SARCASM CONTAINED HEREIN
> 
> A friend of mine and I have actually discovered a way of eliminating
> poverty as well.  And it provides a multiple win situation--not just the
> win-win situation proposed by Conan the Liberator.
> 
> First, round up all the poor (and the homeless, whether they are poor or
> not--this idea has a really big tent!)

  <crucial steps deleted>

> Sixth, order the military to shoot to kill.
> 
> Seventh, wait a week. 

Yes, but.... doesn't the EPA consider blood to be hazardous biological waste?
This means we will have to spend a lot of money cleaning up, so it might just
be cheaper to give them their checks.....

(BTW, sorry about the screw up with my text editor before.)

                                         Jeff Medkeff
                                         medkeffjs@hiramb
                                         medkeffjs@hiramb.hiram.edu

Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5756 talk.politics.misc:69543
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.fans.rush-limbaugh
Subject: How the government has weaseled out of paying debts
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:16:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1993Jan24.013530.13720@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)

>>>But they have clear, credible plans of paying back the debt.  Does the US?

>>Yes.  Not a single US debt holder has ever gone unpaid.

In a certain sense, this is correct.  But Social Security was passed with
the promise that it would be a no-welfare system, at least approximately
corresponding to a pension plan.  It has become nothing of the sort; those
expecting to receive payment upon longevity commensurate with their
contributions have been cheated right and left already.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal to End Poverty
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Poverty,Welfare,Abortion,Birth-Control A Modest Proposal
Organization: None worth mentioning.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:40:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.004906.298@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.233054.16711@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
>mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>
>>It was evident from your first post hre in talk.abortion that you were
>>a bigot. With this further post, you disclose yourself as not merely a
>>bigot, but a vile, repulsive, disgusting, arrogant piece of
>>trash. Your suggestion that women be forced into abortion and
>>sterilization places you on a par with Charles Manson and Jeff Dalhmer
>>for disgusting asshole of the century.
>
>Oh, Mark, you're _way_ too kind. I'm _very_ reluctant to use any
>Holocaust analogies, but I think massive forced abortion and
>sterilization places him all the way up there with, oh, Adolf Hitler.
>
I was trying hard to maintain a bit of restraint...
And not being jewish, and knowing the feelings mention of Hitler
brings out in many jews, I don't feel right making comparissons to
him. I leave that for those who's ancestors had direct experience of
it.

>>Dodie, I hope that this latest piece of bilge suffices to demonstrate
>>that this scum is *not* pro-choice, and that you will retract your
>>statements that he is.
>
>Sh-yeah... don't you know by now that when Doogie sinks his little
>mental claws into a distortion, he's loath to let go of it even
>when proven wrong?
>
Well, yeah, I know that, but I can hope that he'll be rational
just this once, can't I?
After all, the therapy should be doing *someting* for him by now...

>>He's not pro-life, he's not pro-choice. He is
>>scum. I'd like to think it may be the only thing you and I may ever
>>agree on.
>
>Or maybe not...
>
Well, nobody but DODie (and possibly PHoney) could possibly mistake
this guy as anything other then total scum.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Member, T.S.A.K.C.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.abortion
From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal to End Poverty
Keywords: Poverty,Welfare,Abortion,Birth-Control A Modest Proposal
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:44:55 GMT

mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:

>In article <C17tL5.54@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:

>[Entire article deleted. My stomache couldn't take it]

>It was evident from your first post hre in talk.abortion that you were
>a bigot. With this further post, you disclose yourself as not merely a
>bigot, but a vile, repulsive, disgusting, arrogant piece of
>trash. Your suggestion that women be forced into abortion and
>sterilization places you on a par with Charles Manson and Jeff Dalhmer
>for disgusting asshole of the century.

>Dodie, I hope that this latest piece of bilge suffices to demonstrate
>that this scum is *not* pro-choice, and that you will retract your
>statements that he is. He's not pro-life, he's not pro-choice. He is
>scum. I'd like to think it may be the only thing you and I may ever
>agree on.

>--
>                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
>These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
>Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
>Member, T.S.A.K.C.

Notice the incisive logic that Mark uses to refute what I have to say.

Since M.C. did not have the courtesy to quote what he (violently)
disagrees with I will precies my modest proposal. In short terms, I
propose making abortion or sterilization a condition for pregnant women to
receive tax funded welfare payments. Since the NEED for welfare is
generally not CAUSED by the people offering it, it is incorrect to assert
that setting the aforesaid condition is coercive. 

Furthermore, I proposed that if a woman in NEED can get her funding
privately, no restrictions should be placed on her or on the people
willing to make such funding available. This is still a free country, and
glad I am for that!

As for racism and bigotry, not one word in my proposal suggested that race
was a condition for the restrictions to apply, only NEED. Get it? I also
stated that if such restrictions fell on people of color
disproportionately, it is only because of historically accidental
conditions, and not intrinsically related to race.

Now if you want to disagree with my proposal, by all means do so. The ad
homs are a) unnecessary b) unenlightening (it is clear you don't like my
proposal, so say why) c) un responsive.  If you have a better idea for
getting rid of poverty than mine, please, please propose it and stop the
nonsense.

Conan the Libertarian
"If you want to be aboard my life boat, you either have to row or bail"
-- 
"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"

Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.fans.rush-limbaugh
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: How the government has weaseled out of paying debts
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<C1DHIt.4L2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:43:46 GMT

<In article <C1DHIt.4L2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
<In article <1993Jan24.013530.13720@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
<>From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)<

<>>>But they have clear, credible plans of paying back the debt.  Does the US?

<>>Yes.  Not a single US debt holder has ever gone unpaid.

<In a certain sense, this is correct.  But Social Security was passed with
<the promise that it would be a no-welfare system, at least approximately
<corresponding to a pension plan.  It has become nothing of the sort; those
<expecting to receive payment upon longevity commensurate with their
<contributions have been cheated right and left already.
 
	Note also that when Social Security became law it was 
	guaranteed to NEVER be taxed. That promise has already	
	gone out the window.
	
	As for Frank's claim, it is true in a certain sense; 
	however, those people who locked money into US Bonds
	of more than 5 years duration in the late 1960's
	were paid interest at a rate far below the inflation rate
	created by the Federal Government printing presses.

	In constant-dollar terms, they were cheated and 
	did NOT receive full payment of US debt.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,sci.econ
Subject: Has the government has weaseled out of paying debts?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:22:29 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan25094346@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>	In constant-dollar terms, they were cheated and 
>	did NOT receive full payment of US debt.

They weren't cheated -- they guessed wrong.  Or do you consider people
who buy bonds at high interest rates and watch inflation fall below
expected levels to be ripping off the government?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Re: this has been bothering me for awhile...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:53:34 GMT


Actually, if Bush gets killed before Clinton gets sworn in, the Quayle would
not get a darn thing.  Gore would "assume the mantle of President" until the
President-elect gets sworn in.  As this occurs less than fifteen minutes after
the Vice-President-elect gets sworn in, Clinton would not receive a new 
number for his presidency because Gore is a "temporary" president.

To prevent further rationalizations and "what-ifs" let's just put it on the
record that there is NO WAY the line of succession can get mixed up with the
swearing in occurring.  The only thing that prevents the inauguration from
proceeding as planned is a Declaration of War by Congress, in which case there
is no inauguration of a new president.  Under the rules of a U.S Declaration
of War, the Commander-in-Chief is not subject to removal from office until 
the War is "undeclared".  In this case the swearing-in ceremony is merely
postponed.

Karen
From: steve.gustafson@tfd.coplex.com (Steve Gustafson) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
Subject: This has been bothering me for a while.
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: steve.gustafson@tfd.coplex.com (Steve Gustafson) 


Bob Vesterman sic ait:

<R>let's say that clinton got sworn in as president, and then died - before
  >gore got sworn in as vice-president.  the vice-president assumes the
  >office of president when the prez dies.  so quayle becomes president?
  >and then gore gets sworn in as vp? quayle-gore '96?

No.

-Becoming- President or President-Elect occurs at the moment the law
vests that office in you.  Bill Clinton was President from 12:00:01 AM
the morning of Inauguration Day.  He was because he was the legal
President-Elect, and Bush's term had expired.  Swearing-in is a
ritualistic formality.
---
 . OLX 2.2 . steve.gustafson@tfd.coplex.com hanc litteras scripsit
                                                
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: branwen@sage.cc.purdue.edu ( )
Subject: Swearing in.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:00:33 GMT

      Bob---

      The Vice president is sworn in before the President.

Karen.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.fans.rush-limbaugh
From: nfs@volkl (Norbert Schlenker)
Subject: Re: National debt is not bad
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:36:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.032154.26002@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>The risk
>of this default is already calculated ex ante in the interest rate for
>the treasury bills, and the low interest rates indicate that investors
>as a whole don't believe there's a risk.

Which investors would those be?  You don't mean the Fed, do you?
After all, it only printed $125 billion to pay for the government
paper it bought last year.  It's a miracle that short term rates
aren't zero.

Norbert
nfs@cs.princeton.edu

Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5772 talk.politics.misc:69613 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:13749
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Model UN Conference in Prague
Organization: mydog in exile
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:40:22 GMT

chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao) writes:
| ...
| Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
| conference that brings together university students and young
| professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
| United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
| March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
| The Czech Republic.  

In other words, people who can afford to take a week off
and fly to Prague -- and who seem to be in or veterans of
orthodox academic systems -- all of which pretty much 
excludes almost all of the human race -- can play at being 
the United Nations for three or four days.  It seems a 
little bit too much like the real U.N. to do anything 
interesting.
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )