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From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Anna?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:40:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <kdukvSe00WBNA44lNS@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>this, but...I'm pulling an Ulf Samuelsson and walking away from this
>discussion.  I have nothing else to say.
	      ^^^^^^^^*^*^*^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dare I dream on...could such a thing be true..oh be still my beating heart!
[could just be a little caffine rush but....]
-- 
->Louis Hoebel
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  University of Rochester       {ames|rutgers}!rochester!hoebel
  Rochester NY 14627            716 275 5414
From: warren@julian.uwo.ca (A Warren Pratten)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:14:11 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London

In article <1992Apr14.003842.29542@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
|> Well, everything seems to be back to normal in the NHL:  the Leafs were
|> eliminated from playoff contention last night.  If the NHL is in financial
|> difficulty, I wonder if some of this can be attributed to the Leafs sorry
|> state over the last many years.  Naturally I'd come to this conclusion being
|> a Leafs fan :-) but seriously the core of support for hockey is in Canada
|> and Ontario is Canada's largest province, so if Ontario's representative
|> in the NHL is a perennially lacklustre entry, the NHL is going to lose one-
|> third of its potential core of fans.

|> David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul

Actually the really smart Ontario fans gave up on the Maple Leafs years ago.
I have been a fan of Montreal for years (regardless of the Quebec thing)

-- 
A Warren Pratten
Email: Pratten@uwo.ca
From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Subject: Peoria@San Diego TV Mon. 13 Apr 92
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:45:02 GMT


After Salt lake Lost 7-2 to Kansas City, I started switching channels on
the dish.  I found Peoria At San Diego on S-4/10.  While watching tihs
game, they announced they would be televising Mon nights game in
(Peoria@San Diego) on a Peoria Station.  I do not have sat/transponder
location, but I wuld start with S-4/10, then go thru the transponders
on S-4, and expand the search from there.

roland
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From: cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:04:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey


>>I think that I mentioned that any reply sounding like "Gee, if all the
>>rich teams already have all the talent they need then the poor teams can
>>have their pick of the leftovers!" would not be well received.  This is
>>so silly it doesn't really justify a reply.  LA Kings: "Gee that Lindros
>>sure looks good but we already have 20 good players".  Yah sure.

>The point is, if they sign Lindros, they have to let one of those 20 good
>players they already have go.  

So what.  They would give a low end player for a superstar.  What kind
of check and balance is that?  The *very best* players will end up with
the *very few* rich teams.  As I said before,  the other teams will get
only the *leftovers* (e.g. that one released player).

>>Thats fine,  but perhaps it is necessary to structure the league so that
>>more than a few cities can have teams that can compete.  Lets face it -
>>it's more fun that way.

>I don't disagree.  However, what restructuring are you proposing?

I don't really propose *re*structuring.  I advocate keeping the draft.
For the record I don't think that 12 rounds are necessary - but at least
three rounds are needed.  After three rounds I think that Sherri's
claims have some merit.


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Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:08:06 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Brain Dead Penguins marketers




I don't understand why some of the Penguins playoff games have to be on
cable instead of local free TV. THe first 2 games(road) at Washington
are on cable. It's ridiculous. We had the same problem last year. I
don't think thney will; get more revenue from a local cable channel than
from a local network TV station. A non cable channel will reach more
viewers, and hence they will get more advertising dollars. Also, it will
help in broadening the reach of the game. Even if they somehow manage to
get more money from the local cable deal(subscribers fees being a part
of the revenue, though I don't think KBL,a local sports cable channel.
gets much from subscribers fees).  I don't think it is large enough to
justify limiting the exposure of the game's finest part of the season.

 It gets more ridiculous during the finals. If your team makes it to the
finals, you will be forced to watch sdome of the finals on cable. I am
sure a local station can purchase the feed of cable(like WPXI did off
TNT Steelers games) and still make some kind of a profit.

I heard that in other cities, the home playoff games are on cable while
the road games are on local TV. This doesn't make any more sense, since
an NHL team usually sells out all of its home playoff games.

If KDKA(Local CBS affiliate) doesn't have the space to broadcast all
playoff games, then maybe they should share the rights with another
local network affiliate(WPGH fox, WPXI NBC, or WTAE abc).  

Then again, maybe we have to be thankful that some of the games are not
on PAy per view, as in Minnesota.

ANyway., I think it's pathetic that Spotrschannel can't get more
exposure on cable systems. A lot of cable systems have several of those
really annoying Christian channels , most of which are clones of Pat
Robertson channels. Do we need so many religious channels on our cable
systems while having only one sports channel?

A lot of people may disparage USA Today. AT least, it gives adequate
coverage of hockey on a national basis. Too bad some of those networks
can't substitute one of those boring bowling or golf programs for a
hockey game. It's pretty depressing to see a pathetic game like golf get
so much exposure on network TV(much more than even tennis). It's even
more depressing to know that there are people who actually watch that
stuff.
From: gt1430a@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff J McCoskey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: New Q's
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:25:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	New to the NET (and what a timely entry), I got some Q's and somets.
	Firstly, could someone elucidate the exact nature of the STRIKE
positions?  Deep in the heart of Hockey Wasteland, reports are often sketchy
if not pure conjecture.  (NET documents seem to suggest the only remaining
bone of contention is trading cards).

	Secondly, has anyone got there hands on any rotissiere (SP) rules
for hockey?  (I know the timliness is staggering.)  I'd be interested in 
more of a football-model that a baseball-model (ie a scheduled season
approach rather than a season-stats approach).

	Lastly, let Ulf alone.  As a die-hard Flyers fan, he evokes some fond
child-hood memories of the Broad Street Bullies.  Maybe if Philly went
-- 
Jeff J McCoskey        "Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book."
						-the Armor God

Internet: gt1430a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: minnesota
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:09:22 GMT

Some mature person wrote:

>and like two or three from out east where the 88 olympians were almost all
from the east and to call the 92 team sucessful is like believing in Bush
and the tooth fairy.The only reason they won most (not all of the games was
because they toned down the talent and put them in a weak division)How many
from pool a were in the finals you douche bag.Stick to make baskets or whatever
you do at craft.camp and leave the sports to those who know what they are 
talking about.By the way you obviously you did not read my article on how the Gophers
pick their teammates,all from within the state.Does anyone out there in netland
know of a college that does this,and guess what school sends more players to 
theshow?That's right Minne so dickhead I think before you right to anybody else
you should have a family member read to you 					
-- 
MINNESOTA LAND OF THE HOCKEY OLYMPIC GOLD
[end of his writing...used in the loosest sense of the word]

I could pick this one apart but the "writer"'s article is so babyish that it
doesn't need me to point it out. Words like, "douche bag" and the accidentally
deleted, "shithead" certainly indicate that this guy probably played too many
games without his helmet. 
"Before you right...you should have a family member read this to you"
     
I generally don't consider right to be a verb. I can't have any family
members read this to me because none of them know the gorillaese 
language as fluently as you.	(are you Canadian?)
			
By the way, I know several Gophers fans and none of them are nearly
as two-year-oldish (not to insult the youngsters) as this "person"
(also used in the literal sense of the word). Most of them are nice,
polite, friendly...and fluent in English.

MINNESOTA...LAND OF AT LEAST ONE INCOHERENT HOCKEY FAN
								
--------------------------------------------------------------------
BRI FARENELL	CLARKSON '95	FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU

"It's a great day for hockey."	---Bob Johnson 1931-1991

PROUD TO BE A FAN OF USA HOCKEY AND US COLLEGE HOCKEY.
 
"Take me out to the ballgame..."	---Baseball song

			




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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.172154.6871@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>It wasn't exactly what they wanted.  The owners agreed to "sub-license" the
>money to the players, while the players insist that they own their own
>likenesses.  
>

So now we're down to picking nits.  What's the big deal?  The owners agree to
give up the money AND put it in writing, and it's not good enough for the
players?  Who really cares if it's a sub-license, or whatever, as long as
they get the money?  

     Daryl Turner <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
      r.s.h. contact for the Winnipeg Jets


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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:00:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.144827.7642@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <28370025@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams) writes:

>In this sense, both the players and the owners are wrong in the
>current dispute...the owners are hurting their business by fighting
>free agency and revenue-sharing, and the players are hurting themselves
>by not agreeing to a proportion of revenues for salaries, and a
>team salary cap.

>Gerald

Amen.

Warren
From: ms23@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael Schor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: HAPPY DAYS FOR ISLES FANS!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:37:36 GMT
Reply-To: ms23@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Just a note: I know that the strike is an occasion for sadness among many of
you, but I cannot include myself among your ranks. Sure, I miss the games, but 
the mere fact that the Stanley Cup has once again been snatched from the Ranger
fans gives me pleasure beyond belief. Better than sex!!!

LET'S GO ISLANDERS!!!
ISLANDERS IN '92!!!
Michael, Ranger hater
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SCA PLAYOFF COVERAGE
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:38:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

SC America will show Game #1 of Wings-Stars series and
then Hawks-Blues or Kings-Oilers(JIP) on Saturday.

SC New England is showing Whalers-Canadiens opener at 7pm on Sunday
with cutins to Bruins-Sabres and 2 Patrick division games.

NESN(cable) has all home games and WSBK-TV38 has all road
games in the Bruins-Buffalo series.(SportsRadio 590am covers
the radio side.If the Celts are playing then they're on 1150am)

SCNE is showing the whole Whalers-Canadiens series.

-Mark.
From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Re: Job of NHL President (WAS: Re: Strike views from Pgh.)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:40:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.235103.21928@cs.tulane.edu>, phhill@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (ROBERT HILL) writes:
> I believe that Ziegler's job description makes him part of management. The
> point here is that he is not even supposed to be impartial. While I think
> Ziegler has done a miserable job, I don't think we can fault him for being 
> impartial here. He's not supposed to be. 

Very true.  Ziegler stated at Saturday's press conference that he is
co-chairman of the owners' negotiating committee, and has held that position
since he became president.  Bob Goodenow was once an anti-labour lawyer, but he
now works for the NHLPA.

Similarly, Glen Sather, Rogie Vachon, Serge Savard, Pat Quinn, and others are
former players on the owners' side of the line.


Glenn
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: The Shoes! It had to be...
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:52:47 GMT

In article <cdsowLS00WBOI6Xo56@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:


>>In article <POPOVICH.92Apr5172050@morningside.cs.columbia.edu>

>And we must have a Dino Ciccarelli shoe: put them on and your pants
>fall down.

Where can I buy I pair?

Warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: daweuste@rodan.acs.syr.edu (david a. weuste)
Subject: Re: Fans Union
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:07:35 EDT

In article <1992Apr2.224515.18470@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturcan@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Kurt Turcan) writes:
>
>
>I propose that the fans of the National Hockey League for an association  
>of our own.  We could then have our own concerted boycotts of games, try  
>to lower ticket prices, etc.
>
>The name could be the National Hockey League Fan Union or:
>
>
>			N.H.L.F.U.
>
>Any body have any thoughts?
> 
I'd just like to go on record as saying this sounds like a great idea, even
if it was just meant to be a joke. The biggest problem I would see though,
is with leverage - we don't *HAVE* to go see any games, or watch them, or
follow hockey. So unless the "union" is big enough, the owners will say
fine, stay home, we're getting our $$ from other places anyway.

From: tpodelny@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Ted Podelnyk)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:01:21 GMT
Subject: Strike and Other Thoughts
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter)
Subject: Re: Best offensive foreigners/corrected...
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:22:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.173008.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>PS. Perhaps you remember that the ice hockey world championships for
>    women are starting here in Tampere on the 20th April. Last time
>    1990 in Ottawa Finland was third after Canada and USA. And they
>    lost both games only by one goal... Still we remember that the
>    rinks were so small there, rough tacklings were accepted and so on...
>    So it's very sure that we expect some good results from our team
>    in front of home public. Specially when there are eight players
>    in team Finland from Ilves, the Finnish champions from Tampere!

I play for the Women's Team Canada.  I don't think there'll be quite
as much rough stuff this time around because body-contact has been
eliminated from the Championships.  Hopefully it won't take us too long 
to adjust the larger ice surface, but I think you're right, this will 
definitely be an advantage for the European teams.

Andria Hunter
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From: vv1@dgp.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette)
Subject: Women's Hockey: Canada 2 Ontario 1
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:17:25 GMT

In women's hockey yesterday, Team Canada, playing together for the first
time, defeated an Ontario Senior Women All-Star team 2-1.  The goal scorers
for Canada were Diane Michaud (?,?) and Margot Verlaan (Angala James).
Chris Falconer (?,?) scored the only goal for Team Ontario.  In goal for
Canada were Marie-Claude Roy (no goals allowed for 1 1/2 periods) and Manon
Rheaume (1 goal allowed for 1 1/2 periods), and for Ontario, Carrie-Lynn
Perrie (0 goals/1 period), Stephanie Slade (0 goals/1 period), and Leslie
Reddon (2 goals/1 period).  All 3 goals were scored in the third period.

The game took place at the North York Centennial Arena, in front of a crowd
of about 1000 people.  Team Canada is now off to Finland for a 1 week
training camp in preparation for the World Championships that start on
April 20th.  Good luck to Canada, and especially to Andria Hunter, a fellow
graduate student here at the University of Toronto.

Marc
--
Marc J. Ouellette  (vv1@dgp.toronto.edu)         Les Canadiens sont l`a!
"Angry words won't stop the fight, two wrongs don't make it right" - U2
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From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs 
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.181449.27416@cs.mcgill.ca> shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia MANCINI) writes:

>>Well, everything seems to be back to normal in the NHL:  the Leafs were
>>eliminated from playoff contention last night.  If the NHL is in financial
>>difficulty, I wonder if some of this can be attributed to the Leafs sorry
>>state over the last many years.  Naturally I'd come to this conclusion being
>>a Leafs fan :-) but seriously the core of support for hockey is in Canada
>>and Ontario is Canada's largest province, so if Ontario's representative
>>in the NHL is a perennially lacklustre entry, the NHL is going to lose one-
>>third of its potential core of fans.
>>
>
>Just because people 'live' or are 'born' in and area doesn't mean they have
>to support that team. Do you mean to tell me that every single solitary fan
>in Ontario supports the Leafs? That's pretty hard to believe.

No, but almost every baseball fan in Ontario supports the Blue Jays.  A big
part of the reason they do is that the Jays are winners, while the Leafs are
losers.  So Ontario fans support other NHL teams, but with less enthusiasm
than they'd support the Leafs if they were contenders.  

When I watched Hockey Night in Canada this past Christmas when I was home,
I was promised the Leafs in "Southern Ontario".  Evidently Belleville wasn't
considered "S. Ontario", so I was treated to the Flames instead.  I don't
know if this was typical, but when the closest NHL team is shunned by
television, how are people supposed to stay/get interested in the product?
I've had better luck catching the Sharks on TV out here.

>Why not make LA our NY teams win the Cup year after year then? Imagine the
>number of hockey fans the NHL would have.

Well, imagine if CA and NY together had just a single baseball team, and
that team was forever finishing 6th or 7th in its division.  Don't you think
that would hurt baseball?  Well, that's essentially the situation we have in
hockey.  Maybe the Senators can turn things around.

>You can blame the Leafs management for their 'lackluster play', not the NHL. 

I can blame Leafs management for this, but I can also blame HNIC for not
televising the Leafs, and the NHL for not putting any more teams in Ontario
until now.
-- 
David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK
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From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Subject: Hampton Roads wins ECHL East Division Title
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:20:36 GMT

In terms of talent, and high quality hockey, the ECHL does not
compare to the NHL.  But at least these guys aren't on strike!
I went to the Hampton Roads - Greensboro game where HR clinched 
the East Division Title in a 5-4 overtime victory.  After seeing
how hard these two teams played for a measly 250 bucks a week, 
I have lost all respect for the whining maggots of the NHL!

=========================
William J. Bene
Computer Sciences Corporation
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov
From: gerry@SKATTER.USASK.CA (Gerry Gryschuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: YES! Never was there a doubt in my mind.
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:29:02 GMT

Now that we can get back to debating the real important issues, let me be
the first to attempt to start the inevitable playoff flamewars. Without
a doubt the 1992 Stanley Cup Champions will be...

			THE MONTREAL CANADIENS.

Let the Flames begin!!!!!!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Gerry Gryschuk(gerry@skatter.usask.ca)
"Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you
don't bet, you can't win."
			-Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein)
---------------------------------------------------------------
P.S. Did any one else notice how scared Mike Gartner looked now
that he's going to get another chance to choke.

P.P.S. This ones just for you Bob. Vancouver's going to get their
butts kicked in the finals by the Habs!
From: millis@ckgp.UUCP (Tom Millis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Injury report before the playoffs
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:22:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CKGP Assoc. Inc. Birmingham, MI

Can someone please post an updated injury report before the playoffs
start.  I have two playoff pools to enter (one being the Usenet pool)
and I'd like to see who's NOT available.

Thanks in advance

Tom 

uunet!ckgp!millis
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From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (jonathan drout)
Subject: why no scores these days?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:23:44 GMT


Forgive me if I missed something, I was away for a few days...

	Why has no one posted scores from the games.  Sure, there has
been a stray post here and there from lori and from some one re:
Sabres, but what happened to the conglomerate of daily results.  Is it
my newsreader (VERY LIKELY) or some other twist of fate (like the
people who do those actually have better things to do than provide me
with hockey scores!).
		
		Just wondering how in the dark I am.

Jonathan
jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
If you need my last name, translae the address. :)