HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markm@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: OCA update: voter's pamphlet
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:53:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42120
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


I hadn't seen any postings on this, tho I have been breaking 'k' keys
recently ...

Before each election, the state puts out a document called the "voter's
pamphlet" which details the candidates positions and measures to be voted
upon.  Within limits, arguments for and against the measures can be printed
in the pamphlet for a fee or if enough signatures are gathered.  If you have
been following the news about the Oregon Citizen's Alliance (OCA), then
you are no doubt aware of the controversy surrounding Oregon Measure 9.

Well, this last Tuesday was the deadline for submitting arguments about
measures.  Word is that the OCA submitted 11 arguments for (they claimed
that they had 25, but refrained from submitting too much).  The arguments
against Measure 9 totaled to over 40.  You will be happy to know that
the pdx-motss group banded together and submitted two signed arguments
against Measure 9 (a possible new meaning to 'coming out' :-).

We have entered the home stretch on this one and it is anything but over.

more news as it becomes available...

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: sik@cci632.cci.com (Shawn Kammerdiener)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re:
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:08:34 GMT
Organization: CCI

In article <1992Aug27.135252.2154@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.150555.24747@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>
>>I wish I were a lesbian, then I could be effeminate and brave, rather
>>than masculine and cowardly.
>>
>>Ry Schwark
>>ry@usl.com  
>
>Be careful what you wish, Ry; there are lots of good fairies
>around here to grant them for you...

	That is so true, when my nephew was baptized and my sister asked me to
be his god parent, it made me a fairy godfather. A cross between tinkerbell
and Marlon Brando I'm not, but I'll try and grant that wish ASAP.

"There are two tragedies in life. One is not to get your heart's desire.
The other is to get it."	-	George Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.161855.3238@spdcc.com>, urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:
> ... he's absolutely gorgeous with a beard.        
>  
> Well, who isn't?  <ahem>

Oh, I've known a few people who weren't. No, you're not one of them...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:43:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Shawn Hicks writes:
>Chris (clc@nevada) and I are trying to pull together a trip to 
>the fair.  We can afford the plane tickets, but cannot affort
>the $115 a night hotel fees.  Do any SF.motssers know of a
>hotel with affordable (poor student) rooms that's in walking
>distance of the festivities?  Can we beg for floor space?

This is one of the biggest gay-oriented parties of the year for
SF; probably second or third, after Gay Pride, and possibly the
Castro Street Fair.  People book their hotels for this weekend
literally *MONTHS* in advance. (There are two on 9th between
Folsom and Harrison that are considered "prime" -- and which
have been sold out for at least a month now.)

I hope you can find space with friends, 'cause reasonably priced
rooms anywhere *near* Folsom Street are going to be dratted
hard to find at this point.

>We're both Folsom Virgins and need guidance.  :)

DO remember this for *next* year.  ;-)
 
() Take away the right to say "fuck" and you take away the
() right to say "fuck the government."
()      -- Lenny Bruce
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:54:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


/Bob, I know no one but you (and maybe Nelson) will read this, but I wanted you
/to know my view of this comment of yours:  you made this remark in a public
/forum that men *and women* read, not in private e-mail.  Remarks like this are
/construed as misogynistic by this group of readers who have developed some
/sensibility of what others consider insulting.  Yes, there's a fine line, but
/most of us try not to cross it in delivering insults; we try instead to call a
/spade a spade without using terms that could be interpreted as derogatory of
/innocent bystanders.  I know it's tough to do, but why don't you just admit
/that your comparison was inappropriate *in this PUBLIC forum*?  You can say
/whatever you want in e-mail without fear of insulting anyone else not involved
/in your debate, but you blew it here.  I don't have any problem with the fact
/that you prefer men over women, but I don't enjoy reading your attempt to
/bring all women down along with the three men with whom you're arguing.  Pick
/on someone your own size.

Katie



Dear Katie,

In looking over what I posted, I can see where it was probably out of
line.  This group tends to be a little on the insulting side; I can believe
that I went too far and crossed a line.  A line, probably because I am male,
that I am not aware of too keenly.  I will be aware in the future.

It was not my intent to show disrespect to women or women's causes.  Or to
insult you, or any of the other women who read this newsgroup.  

I give a public apology now, and ask that you believe me when I tell you 
that my intent was ONLY to insult the named three individuals, and 
NOT to insult women in general.  

I am not misogynistic in nature; but I am occasionally a poor 
chooser of words.


-Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: otters 'r' us
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:40:08 GMT

in article <1992Sep1.174337.11384@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (bobby
bearcub) writes:

  >And I'm top bearcub... or bear depending on how Arnold 
  >self-identifies...

i have been told i'm an otter.  a related, but sleeker, species.
so is jacques.  so is dino.  so is larry.  both of the women i've
loved sometimes thought of themselves as otters (the animals,
not the gay Types).  hmm....

arnold (who has a book ellen gave him that has photos
           of graying otters in it)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:21:50 GMT

> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

>>>                                         ...In fact, I can occasionally
>>>lapse into a two-second "camp" phase with certain friends, but I generally
>>>feel slightly queasy afterward...
>>Oh, Mary -- get over it.
>
>Is this what Bob Sarver means by groupthink?  I'm starting to think so....

Let me get this...uh...straight:  Bob and Alan and Matthew
would have us all act like "normal" gays in the dubious belief
that this might give clueless straights a better image of
homosexuals and make it easier for "normal" gays to emerge
from their closets.  When some of us respond in our glorious
diversity that we have other priorities, like maybe realizing
our full-individual-human-potential-unfettered-by-the-strait-
jacket-of-irrelevant-gender-roles-and-expectations, and if
those guys had half a clue between them they'd realize that
those same clueless straights will hate them just as viciously
whether they're in three-piece gray flannel or a fucking tutu,
but thanks all the same...

...*we're* the mindless, crypto-fascist zombies???!!!

Go figure.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: "Smut" correction
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.175827.22402@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>wendy thrash and doretta shrock have mailed me, in that order, to say
>that they remembered the line as reading "rereading _Lady
>Chatterley_", not as reading just "reading".  their memories are
>perfect on this point.

You also contracted "Smut -- I love it!" into "Smut!" in the last
verse.

But who's counting?

(Now stop me before I begin to chant THE VATICAN RAG.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tasting nelson (was, The Silent Majority)
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:16:35 GMT

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

    >nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

        >>I'm told that I taste good with mango juice, as well.

    >Tell me, tell me!  Where is the mango juice dripped for best effect?

I would say into your nose, and that Nelson meant to type ``well'' instead of
``good'', i.e.:

        >>I'm told that I taste well with mango juice....
                                ^^^^

But then again, no; that couldn't be what he meant.  :- )

>Matthew Melmon

 Joel,
       feeling in a perverse moood
From: gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (# Texas Stalker #)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Foreign-born Gay Asians
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:15:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <64576@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>The AM/CM thread came up with two Asian gays from China who claim that
>there is no connection between assimilation and homosexuality. From the
>evidence that I've seen, most Asian homosexuals are assimilated, not
>immigrants, and while homosexuality exists in all cultures, there is no
>evidence that it occurs at the same rate. Evidence does exist that it
>is different across cultures, but is discounted as invalid.
>
>I'd like to hear from other foreign-born Asian gays as to whether mos
>t ASian gays pick it up from culture, or are simply born that way, and
>whether the fact that there are almost no signs of gay Asians in SF,
>which is largely a traditional immigrant population vs. San Jose which
>has a lot of gay Asian listings, and a more assimilated population.
>
>Hey, I could be wrong. There is almost no evidence either way, so any
>info posted could help illuminate the topic.
>

I am a foreigh-born Asian and I've known that I'm gay since I'm around
8-10, so There! :)

George
From: grady@btr.BTR.COM (Grady Ward  grady@btr.com)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:00:20 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

Kelley Miller (ae642@yfn.ysu.edu ) writes:                 

"Guess now we're gonna have to start a group called soc.atmahwb*

*Anything That Moves And Has Warm Blood

(sigh) "

-----------------

More than that.  Omnisexuals don't require movement, warmth,
or blood; although I admit a steaming compost heap under the
baleful starry sky has a certain attraction over the ever-handy
traffic pylon...
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:52:32 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug22.213537.3076@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <920818174611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:
>>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)
>
>Death is death, if the brain no longer exists obviously you can't think...

But you can still post....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: begging to be made
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug26.155250.15349@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>tim exclaims that his basil is just begging to be made into sauce.

Actually, Tim wrote:

	-Tim [who's basil is begging to be made into sause]

My error-correcting parser corrects this to:

	-Tim [who's basil begging to be made into sauce]

In other words, Tim *is*, metaphorically, basil begging to be
made into sauce.

-david [whose basil didn't get topped while he was out of town
and has now flowered and so is probably useless, but whose
jalapen~os are getting red and hot and *faaabulous*]

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:30:32 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug27.165953.8277@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>It's good for the price of my stock.

Stock?  Surely *your* assets are in Krugerrands!

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:39:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>I lust for the Left Coast, but I am starting to think of pinpointing
>the spots that would put sufficient distances between me and Sarver
>and me and Melmac.  Unfortunately, I suspect the resulting space would
>not contain very many interesting sites.

Portland, Los Angeles, and San Diego would all suit your purposes. Take
your pick.

Matthew Melmon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: British spellings
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:56:36 GMT


In article <2aa4f041@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
Fisher) writes:

>They therefore spell them *all* "-ize",
>with the following exceptions, which *don't* come from
>"-izein":

>   advertise   advise  apprise  chastise   circumcise
>   comprise    compromise   demise   despise  devise
>   disfranchise  enfranchise  enterprise  excise  exercise
>   improvise  incise  premise  revise  supervise  surmise
>   surprise  televise

>Lots of British and American people will tell you that
>using z for all of them is an American-only usage, but this
>is wrong.  To spell with a z is perfectly good British
>spelling. 

News to me.  I spell all those -ise, always have.  I think
it would be distinctly odd to see them in -ize here, though
you might see "surprize" about as often as you see
"seperate" or "definately," the latter two of which I take
to be just plain misspelled.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.212505.20062@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) wrote: 
>->Chris (clc@nevada) and I are trying to pull together a trip to
>->the fair.  We can afford the plane tickets, but cannot affort
>->the $115 a night hotel fees.  Do any SF.motssers know of a
>->hotel with affordable (poor student) rooms that's in walking
>->distance of the festivities?  Can we beg for floor space?
>
>not even if you were dressed in "totally revealing leather."  maybe a
>basement cage, though ...

Those at PDX.com missed my leather at the Eagle.  Somehow I doubt,
though, that my leather will be any great deal in SF, let alone at
the Fair.  After all, it isn't the leather, but what you put in it,
that matters most. I do have a new piece, though, that seems to reveal
a little more....

Shawn, who *will* be there...
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:22:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>We're going to bury you, asshole.  Deep. 

>>Yes?  And how will you do that, Dr. Menegele?

>Mengele, but I retract the remark, to replace it with:
>And how will you do that, Mr. Melmac Republican?

Oh, pooh.  And there I had to go and do my Nazi-War-Criminal post.  Let's
see...  Republican?  Republican?  What could I say...  Ah, yes


Well...  With a shovel?

Matthew Melmon, etc.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:01:28 GMT

In <gmpytcb@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>"paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:

>>Just thought I'd mention that Canada's Human Rights Code was
>>just declared unconstitutional by an Ontario Court of Appeals because
>>it does not offer protection to people for reasons of sexual 
>>orientation.  This means that they will probably rewrite the law to 
>>allow for protection of homosexuals.  In fact, Ontario and three other 
>>provinces 
>>already have legislation in place to protect Gays and Lesbians.

>I was also wondering how this ruling will effect the new Constitution that
>Canada is supposed to be getting soon. Is this Human Rights Code part of the
>Constitution or is the constitution going to be re-written with explicit 
>protections or what? I have heard that every time the Courts do something
>Queer-positive the Government just stalls and stalls...

The Cnadian Human Rights Act is not part of the Constitution.  It is 
subject to the Chater of Human Rights and Freedoms, which is part of 
the Constitution.  Part of the Charter declares that no law may affect
any group differently from any other.  It was from this that the Act 
was turned over.  This is (I believe) the first time that the Charter,
which does not explicitly mention sexual orientation, has been
interpreted to cover sexual orientation.  If the Justice Department
doesn't appeal again and just leaves the decision alone it could
very weel become a *very* important precedent affecting several
court cases in the works right now (including one in my home province 
of Alberta where the Individual Rights Protection Act is being taken
to court for its constitutionality.)


>Also, is Quebec one of those provinces that has legislation protecting
>Queers?

It is indeed.  There are others in the works as well.

>-- 
>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
>Barbara Bush: a chronologically gifted, differently interesting, domestic
>incarceration surviving member of the mutant albino genetic-recessive global
>minority.-- _QW_'s ``politically correct'' description of the First Lady.
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From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:17:04 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) divulges:
->
->(vanyel)
->/And you'll have to do better to convince me that this isn't an attempt to
->/control what people think.  I've seen nothing here to convince me that you
->/aren't simply calling "prejudice" a dislike of mine with which you don't
->/agree.
->
->Amen.
->
->If anderson had his way, you would have no personal preferences that
->he disagreed with.  You would not be permitted to choose your associates,
->your party friends, or your close companions based on anything except
->his standards.  He even talks about "erasing the line" of distinction
->and redrawing it where "it belongs".  What hubris.

But Bob, according to what I've read of YOUR writings, if you had your way,
nelly queens and leatherfolx (and probably many other individuality groups
(?)) would have to duck back into the closet anytime a TV camera was in the
area.  That, to me, is controlling what people think.  At the same time you
are trying to convince the "straight" world that us gay folx are nice and
white bread ("We're just like you!  Please accept us!"), you are also
telling the nelly queens and leatherfolx (and the others) that they are in
some way bad or evil or (gasp!) undesired.

This, to me, is a more drastic attempt to control what people think than
ANYTHING I've ever heard Jess say (write?) in the years I've been reading
motss...

JOhn.

-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.--------------------------------------------------- ______
| jkusters@ares.calpoly.edu   b0- f- w g- s-- r p++                      \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, We can't change things overnight;       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovsky & Phillips
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The GLBO-Centered Film List
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 18:12:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Laydees and gennelmun...

Presenting the September, 1992, edition of The GLBO-Centered Film List.

Please throw out your old copies of this list and replace them with this
enlarged and expanded version.

Ron Buckmire, will you please see to it that the list is updated at
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu, as I do not have ftp access?  Thanx a bunch!

(List follows in a separate post.)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:06:32 GMT


Bob Donahue (rdonahue@spdcc.com) leads the song:
 
> 	Of course Jess is THE TOP, no doubt because of his e-virility.o

...and Jess.o is his name.o

--jns