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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Environment - Singapore
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:17:25 GMT

ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf) writes:

You must be one of those green fanatics.
: 
: My point about recycling is that:
: 
: If ANYTHING can be recycled, then do it. It might be 

Don't you know that nature itself recycles wastes, even human waste.
: expensive at first (initial costs of recycling plant),
: but in the long term it will always be worth it. It is

Artificial recycling is only necessary of the rate of waste disposal is
higher than natureal decomposition.

: not acceptable to continue damaging the environment
: just because of human greed and short-sightedness.

It is not acceptable to enforce artificial recycling when it is not necessary.
Imagine building toilets in the jungle for the tigers, elephants and recycle
those wastes.

:  During those sixty seconds of biological time, modern
: man has made a rubbish tip of Paradise.
:  Humans have multiplied their numbers to plague
: proportions, caused the extinction of over 500 species
: of animals, ransacked the planet for fuels, and now
: stand like brutish infants over their meteoric rise
: to ascendancy, on the constant brink of war, and of
: effectively destroying this oasis of life in the
: solar system.
guess who invented the recycling ideas, not the animals.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:52:52 GMT

In article 3649@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>: "Singapore in an excellemt example......excellent enviroment."
>
>Everything is comparative. I'm comparing it  
>undeveloped countries such as Malaysia. EVen then Singapore is only
>the lowest rank of the Developed Nations but they are trying to achieve
>the so called super-league.
>: 
>: I wondet what Othman is referring to.  As far as I know, all major
>: tourist spots are MAN MADE, like How Par Villa, Sentosa, Chinese Garden,
>: Bird Park, Botanical Garden (Artificially planted).....the list go on
>
>Do you know how packed these places are with Singaporeans and Foreigners,
>including Johorians despite the availability of Desaru.
>	Artificial or not, they look real enough. It does not have any
>hassles and is actually better than desaru if you want to swim because the
>artifical lagoons are well served by food-stalls, shades, etc.
>
>: and on.  About saving the environment, has Singapore started promoting
>: recycling yet, besides the old fashion kalang-guni ?


-->Recycling is only necessary if the environment is badly mutiliated,
   ------------------------------------------------------------------|

INDEED !!!!

If you do not get engulfed in flames for a statement such as this,
YOU SHOULD DO ! I've never heard such errant nonsense.
 
>like klang river. Singapore river had been cleaned and the laws are enforced
>to not allow it to be polluted again.
>	It is a very beautiful river. Nicer than river Tames and Tokyo
>river.
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:22:54 GMT


In a previous article, shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal) says:

>>I'm happy over your article on Penang food. I am from Penang and believe
>>me, Penang is definately the place for food. However the best mee goreng
>>is still from a stall at Jones Lane. That old man has been selling since
>>my dad was a little kid! he even uses woodfire instead of gas.Cayalah!

Talking of Jones Road, it has been said that the current Raja 
Permaisuri Agung's parents (Yes, Agung's in-laws) stay at the
bungalow directly behind where your Mee Goreng is parked.

Good location, eh?


ATAN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Sex Ed. in M'sian high schools
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:04:02 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
Keywords: wrong target!?!?

In article <69622@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR) writes:

>Okay, enough on the overview of the matter, now let me say what I think.
>firstly, is aids in malaysia being caused by sexual misconduct among
>teenagers and young adults or is it being caused by illegal use of drugs?
>I strongly think that our current aids problem is being caused by illegal
>use of drugs.     

It is well known that the HIV is mainly passed through unprotected
sex.  Sharing drug needles is another cause.

>By saying that, i dont mean to deny the fact that aids vairus can be obtained
>thru sex(be it hetero, homo or bi), but I'm saying that it is not the major
>cause of aids cases in M'sia.  I have read s/where that(i believe it was
>bernama newsletter)  only one case out of many aids cases in M'sia
>is related to homosexuality(however, the report also say that there could
>be a possibility that many aids cases went unreported to the proper         
>authorities).

This report only quotes the number of cases for HIV passed via
homosexual sex - did it mention heterosexual sex?  A common myth 
is HIV is only passed during unprotected homosexual sex.

>So, if drug is the main culprit...what is it got to do with sex?  

Many drug addicts turn to prostitution to support their expensive
habbit.  

>I think
>if they want to reduce teenage pregnancy rate then the sex ed. would be
>fine.  Or am I missing some points abt aids and sex IN MALAYSIA?
>
>Noticed that i'm arguing the main purpose of the program and not the 
>existance of such program in malaysian secondary curriculum.

I think Malaysia is way behind the world when it comes to sex 
education.  The emphasis of sex education years ago was the 
negative aspects, ie. STD, unwanted pregnencies and abortion.  
However, nowadays, emphasis is also placed on forming 
relationships, the more positive aspects of sex education.  
(BTW, according to an article in New Zealand's Listener, a 
popular magazine, Singaporeans are finding it hard to date.
Maybe they also need sex education).

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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | The gunners: league
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | 
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna 
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:47:32 GMT


In a previous article, ktan@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Kaiswee Tan - EECS cpts330)) says:

>
>
> According to the NST, Information Minister of Malaysia Datuk Mohamad Rahmat
> stunned reporters last week when he admitted that he owned a satellite
> parabolic antenna.
> His statement followed a report in the Malay Mail that a Kuala Lumpur resident
> had such an equipment on his verandah. The newspaper carried a picture of the
> equipment but did not say where it was taken. It only said that the house was
> located in 'an affluent neighbourhood in the city'.
> REcently, the cabinet ordered that all privately owned parabolic antenna be
> dismantled and their users prosecuted.
> The ban was enforced for fear that direct broadcasting would make undesirable
> shows, including pornographic ones, easily accessible to the public.
> Datuk Mohamad Rahmat had said that ONLY the King, the Prime Minister, the Malay rulers, and foreign missions here were permitted to install this equipment.
> The Telecommunications Act prohibits unauthorised use of satellite dishes and   offenders can be fined M$100,000 or three years in jail or both.
> So, what do you guys think of this case? I reckon Yang Berhomat 'Mat Setia'
> should do what Datuk Bandar just did... Resign.
>
> Kai


Ooopsss..."tangkap-basah" !!!  BERSIH, CEKAP, AMANAH?? NOT!!!

Yes, I agree...along with "Mat Setia" above, Samy 5% should go too.


ATAN
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep30.135050.3937@iti.gov.sg>, hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong (Sch 10/92)) writes:
|> 
|> Source: The Straits Times, Singapore, Sept 30, 1992
|> 
|> I. SINGAPORE
|> 
|> Fire at Senoko station causes 13-hour blackout
|> ----------------------------------------------
|> Power was restored to all areas in Singapore last night, about 13 hours
|> after a fire caused the Senoko Power Station to shut down, creating
|> widespread disruption.
|> 
[blackout details omitted]
|> 
|> The PUB spokesman said the Senoko fire was caused by an electrical
|> short-circuit at one of two switch-gears at the switch room in the
|> station. The switch-gears relay power from the generators to
|> sub-stations, where it is then channelled to the customers.
|> 
|> Witnesses said they heard several explosions soon after the fire broke
|> out at about 9.20am.
|> 
A short-circuit in the switch-gear?  Hmm, some heads gonna roll.  I
wonder what caused the short circuit and why didn't the breakers
disengage fast enough. Switch gear circuitries (sp?) are mostly simple
but it's safety design is an art with lots of sensors and breakers in
the right places.
 
If the switch-gear could just short-circuit and cause a major fire,
then it is time PUB review all it's switch-gears and upgrade. 
--
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:42:47 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



	talking about toilet fines...

	the real gross thing in singapore, i think
	is all these parents encouraging their kids
	to pee in the drains.
	and they look particularly pleased at it.

	you can fine people all you want when they dont
	flush the toilet, but you will get nowhere if
	they are taught to pee in the streets while young.

	i think its the people trying to get back at the 
	government.
	they resent regulation about all sorts of things and
	collectively and subconsciously have decided to
	poison the next generation, to create a generation
	of singaporeans for whom the norm will be to treat
	the steets and public places as toilets ( like their
	parents now treat, malaysia, say - the ugly singaporean)

	the government should legislate against these disgusting 
	practices.
	theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
	soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.

	i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 


kpurang
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:17:00 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct2.130223.10717@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
> 
> 	1.	turn the energies of 1/2 the population
> 	to work and work and work even more than now.

	That's true.  Then all you have to do is to give these people the equal
pay that they demand and all will be roses 'n' nice things...  

> 	2.	make artificial insemination the norm. imagine
> 	SOLVED!!! the graduate mother business

	But there's the *sticky* issue of where you get the supply from!!! 
Imagine keeping some willies just for that.  *I* for one would resent being
viewed as a baby-making machine.  Imagine, mommies will be scaring their kids
to sleep, "Now son, you be good or you are going to become like that man and
*gasp* keep your willie."  Oooo, the terror....  And those poor willie-keeping
people will be viewed as outcasts....
	Another point.  Those geniuses, many of them are weird people.  In
fact, some of the more famous ones, like Newton (and some others, forgot
already, tests lah, what to do??) are gay.  Not that it matters, but I think
the govt actively discourages homosexuality.  But then if willieless, doesn't
really matter, I suppose.........

> 	3.	artificial insemination will also help the
> 	government produce specially doctored sperm which will
> 	produce triplets each time. no need then to cajole
> 	people to have 3 kids. no choice.

	Ah, must insert scientific fact herelah.  It's not the sperm that
matters here.  Either the fertilized ovum (egg) splits up (and you get
identical twins) or the mother produces more than one egg and both gets
fertilized (and you get fraternal twins -- possible to have one born with
willie and the other without!).  But artificial insemination does need the egg
to be fertilized in a petri dish, so the govt can still do whatever they want,
including splitting up the egg.
> 
> 	4.	keep toilet seats clean. wouldn't it be
> 	wonderful, ladies, to always have clean seats ? willy-less
> 	men will also have to sit to do whatever...

	But there will be a transitional period where the "old soldiers" are
still used to peeing standing up.  It will be worse as they cannot aim
anymore....

> 	5.	and we can also save on public toilets: no 
> 	need for separate male/female ones ... all will be same

	That's true.  But the govt can do it now, even!!  Just make it like the
space shuttle type, where you attach your *OWN* pee-cup into the drainage
system and pee into it.  After you are done, clean it or (since this is a
"disposable" society) dump it.  Males and females have their own individual
pee-cups.  Imagine, designer pee-cups...  "Wow, she's using a Polo pee-cup"
> 
> 	i hope i have convinced you of the need for a willy
> 	chopping law in singapore.

	You have convinced me.  However, if you try to introduce such a law in
Malaysia, I am afraid I will have to come visitting with a chopping knife....
	Ciao.

-Tai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: maulana@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (I. Maulana)
Subject: Re: Environment
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:57:47 GMT

In article <q0arbagg@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong) writes:
> Kurang ajar  

Who is 'Kurang ajar'? The one who cuts the trees in the junggle for living, or 
the one who produces CFK for fun?
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: SPM & SPMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: soc
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:55:14 GMT

In article <CHO.92Sep29114605@cm2fe1.cs.sandia.gov>, cho@cm2fe1.cs.sandia.gov (Kah-Song Cho) writes:
|> As I recall when I took SPM in the late 60's (it was called SC back then),
|> only very few students in my high school got 4-5 A's and their names made
|> it to the newspapers.  It was SPMT (HSC then) time two years later, one of
|> my classmates got an A in Biology and the rests probably were in B's or
|> C's.  He was admitted to the medical school in MU!  Others were admitted to
|> engineering school with at most one A.
|> 
|> After the switch-over from SC/HSC to SPM/SPMT, there have been significant
|> numbers of students getting straight A's every year.  Does anyone out there
|> care to comment what's going on here?  Have the kids these days become
|> smarter, or the passing criteria in these exams have been lowered? 
|> 

Well, I don't think kids are generally smarter nowadays.  I think you may
call them "exam smart".  Nowadays there are so many exam aids, like 10
years series solutions in the market, and competition in school has made
teachers oriented their teaching stretegy towards these exams. I went thru
my O and A levels in S'pore in 1980 and 82 resp.  I remember when I was in
beginning of my school year in Sec 3, my Math teacher was telling us how
to tackle '0' level questions.  Back then it was a big deal if someone in
school get 7 A1's.  Nowadays getting 10 A1's is quite usual - can't even
get a prestigeous scholarship.

Anyway when I was preparing for my 'O' and 'A' levels, I found that for
the past 10 years preceeding my exam there were always asking the same
few questions.  Those guys should change their strategies, or I am worry
that the exam may soon turn into cook book exercise.

Kelvin
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:49:19 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) replied to
>: be eligible to hold scholarships given to bumis only.  The question is, I 
>: thought that Bumiputera status is actually refering to the "RACE" and not
>
with:

>If you are a  Malaysian, You should know you the Malaysian constitution which
>defines a Malay as a muslim with "Malay culture". I do not think there is 
>any mention of religion.
>
>: the religion.  Example, there are a lot of Kadazans in Sabah/Sarawak (I'm

!!
>defines a Malay as a muslim with "Malay culture". I do not think there is
                      ------                       -----------------------

>any mention of religion.
 -----------------------

What is that then ? A passing whim ??
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:23:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BvEIzy.B0r
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

In article <1992Sep28.192023.25343@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> Under "extreme duress", I have been "forced" to contribute
> an issue that might be of interest to the newsgroup.
> 
> I choose Samyvellu and MIC. Previously there has been posts in
> this newsgroup calling for the removal of corrupt gov't officials
> in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a little premature to judge
> Samyvellu for his latest TELEKOM debacle, but I hereby nominate
> Mr Samyvellu as the candidate to be removed. Afterall, from what
> I heard from my Indian friends, he has contributed diddly to
> the Indian community and has not proved his worth.
> 
> Do y'all remember the casket incident and the lost of the casket?
> Sheeeeshhh...how low can politics stoop.
>

Listen, nobody is forcing you to post anything and you don't have to put 
yourself in an "extreme duress" to post something. You don't want to talk
about anything keep quiet or else is up to you. I rather not to see something
been posted due to my opinion. Again it was my opinion and you don't have ot
listen to it.

You right, Samyvellu has gone to an extreme case. Majority of Indian community
wanted him to be removed from the politics arean. It's time for Samyvellu to
step out and let somebody else to do contribution.

Samy has done a lot of good things in the past for indian community. I respect
him for that. This past three years his performance has been getting worst
and his actions are ridiculous. All I can say about him is that he is being
selfish about the Presidential position. He wants to stay there until he dies.
There is going to be a rally from Batu Caves to Dr. Mahathir's office next 
month suggesting for Samy's resignation. The committe which is organizing this
rally is expecting around 10,000 people to show up. They also, got the police
permit to conduct this rally.

Step out Samy...... Give the way to the new generation !
 
> 
> ATAN
> 
> p.s. Hmmm...1 article on food, and one on Samyvellu so far.
>      How many do you have Geeva Subramaniam???
> 
    so there !!!!!


Geeva :):):):):):):):)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Test Sent
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:53:12 GMT

>Does that mean Catholic High or Chinese High?  For fans of the latter I
>am happy to report that our alma mater ranked number 4 in the list of
>"best high schools" released by the govt.

     I supposed that Raffles Institute ranks first as usual.  What about the SAPschools, for example Dunman High?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: espcs@warwick.ac.uk (vv)
Subject: Re: New KL mayor..?
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:03:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.075126.59168@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <4900036@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
>> No, Dr Mahathir is out of town, so no announcement until he gets back.
>
>	isn't time for us to elect a mayor ?  How come the general election
>is that only time we can cast our votes  ? 
>	If the major of KL is elected by the people, we may have avoided 
>the luxury cars scandals.  
>	The government is trying to privatise a lot of the industries
>in Malaysia and the benefits are more competitive and more services.  
>The telephone company is a good example of this policy.  
>	It is also time to 'privatise' the government itself.  Bring back
>city council election, and give the people a chance to have a say in their
>own community.   Let's make the politicians accountable for thier 
>action/inaction !!
>
>
>Jack Teh  

A very good idea, but how can we make this happen? The goverment 
certainly would not like this to happen, because they may loose in
the election.
From: tlee@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: looking for friends in NTU
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:42:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct3.154236.1
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


 


Hi I am looking for Ng Weng Wei of NTU accountancy . If any kind soul knows him 
please kick his butt for me say Ting Wei in Missouri, USA send his regard.
Also looking for : Huay Lee  }     
		   Michelle ?}           Accountancy
		   Han Ling  }
                   Chay Khai Kong}
                   Jenny Mok }  Business Admin.(NTU)
                                                              


                                  Lee Ting Wei