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/ hpcc01:rec.sport.triathlon / arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands) /  9:54 am  Jan  7, 1993 /
I have a question for anyone who is familiar with Hed Cx wheels.  I just
purchased one for my bike, and I am just a little confused.

Is there an adapter for the valve stem of the tire, or does one have to 
purchase a tire with a VERRRYY long valve stem?  Or is there a trick
to this that I am just not seeing right now??  

Thanks in advance.

Rolf Arands
----------
Simple, just pump up the tire before you put it on the
wheel. :-)

Sorry couldn't resist.....  

Actually, now that you ask the question I never really thought
about it.  I assumed that the Cx wheels had a cut out by the 
valve hole just like the discs have. If this is not
the case, there must be some sort of adapter.  However, I use
conti tubes and one of the reasons is that they have a long
stem that works well with my areo rims.  

John K.

From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:26:33 GMT
Subject: Re: The '92 Chapman Report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

> Man, I've been waiting for this report all year. Thanks!!

Hey, glad I could entertain you!

> By the way, wasn't there a milestone that went un-mentioned?
> 
>    Your 200th multi-sport event perhaps??
	  ^^^^^
	  50th.

Yep, I forgot to mention it.

> 
> -RC

-- LSC
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From: shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Shampain Shon F2A x8109 )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: caffeine and alcohol
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:53:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Most triathletes as they improve take it upon themselves to learn more
about the human body and its nutritional requirements to support the
swim/bike/run habit.  In my quest for knowledge, however, I have a
noticeable void when it comes to the subjects of caffeine and alcohol.
Now both of these substances are diuretics, ie they stimulate the body
to urinate.  My questions:

	What is the break even point when dealing with caffeine and
	hydration?  ie there must exist some concentration of caffeine
	per unit of liquid for which the body will be stimulated to
	urinate the same amount that is taken in, and below this point
	the body will become hydrated even in the presence of a diuretic
	agent, and above which the body will become less and less hydrated.

	How much body water will be lost per unit of caffeine?

	I have always assumed that with soda (Coke, Pepsi, etc.) it is 
	possible to get hydrated, and that with coffee, tea, and alcohol
	(beer, wine, etc.) it is not.  Is this correct?

	What vitamins and minerals and electrolytes are depleted from
	the body in the presence of alcohol and caffeine, and in what
	quantities?

Thanks to anyone with information.
shon shampain
shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: VO2 MAX
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:17:31 GMT

In article <11JAN93.19212313.0115@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, E5EM <E5EM@UNB.CA>
writes:
|>As long as some of you are talking about vo2 maxs', thought I'd give
|>my .02. I had my first v02 max test last April and had a max of 58
|>ml/kg. This was measured twice, three weeks apart in a physiology
|>lab(I think I spelled it right), so there was no question about the
|>result. I had it measured again last Friday and had a vo2 max of
|>66.85 ml/kg with max hr of 196. I was very surprised at the
|>increase, even though I did have a good Summer and have been
|>training indoors.  person doing the test said that increases like
|>that are not uncommon, but that it is very unlikely that I will see
|>another improvement like this again. Heres a question :Is 66.85
|>ml/kg good ? I'm going into my third season of racing this summer,
|>and I'm currently 19 years old.

 You mean the people who tested you were not able to tell you how
 you did??

 66.85 is well above average. Someone, in this group, men-
 tioned before what was average. I believe it was in the mid
 forties.
|>
|>
|>
|>         Kevin Besner University of New Brunswick
|>
                 
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From: fossumt@stolaf.edu (Theodore B Fossum)
Subject: Re: Looking back and ahead
Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:08:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204353.17381@pwcs.stpaul.gov>, chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
|> It seems to be a rec.sport.triathlon tradition to post a retrospective on
|> the previous year and look ahead to the next.  Here's my contribution. 
<<<<<<<deleted stuff>>>>>>>>>
|> Aug 30 - Tin Man Triathlon, Menomonie, WI
|> 	 good swim, bike hampered by high winds and comfort stops, good run.
|> 	 Despite lower mileage, emphasis on quality helped in the hills|> 
<<<<<<<deleted stuff>>>>>>>>>
|> -- 
|> Chris Lyman    /   email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov   /    my thoughts, my words
|>      "Dignity.  Always dignity." -- Gene Kelly in "Singin' in the Rain"

I did the same triathlon!  Actually that isn't much of a suprise from the fact that
it is in my home town.  However it is neat to see that you are from St. Paul and
that I got a nice list of races from this area to do.  I go to St. Olaf during the
year and am already setting goals for next season.


Ted
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: 1992 totals & results
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:34:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.225522.21787@bnr.ca> lynnmar@bgtys7.UUCP (Lynn Marshall) writes:
>Just to give you a different perspective, here's the year's stats for
>a swimmer who does triathlons (as opposed to a triathlete)!
>
>Background:
>I've been a competitive swimmer for 22 years!  I'm a distance freestyler
>and compete in indoor and outdoor competitions up to about 5k or 3 miles.
>I started doing triathlons in 1991 and did *much* more cycling and running
>in 1991 than I did in 1992.  In 1992 I focussed on the World Masters Swim
>Championships so didn't start running and cycling until mid-July and
>decided to compete only in short (+/- 1/2 Olympic Distance) tris in '92.
>Wetsuits are against my religion :-).
>
>Total mileage for 1992:
>Swim: 1889.4km (1174.3 miles)
>Bike:  774km    (481 miles)
>Run:    98km     (61 miles)

  
That's really fascinating. Works out to 3 1/2 miles swimming a day,
1+ miles biking a day and 1/4 miles running a day. Figuring you only
ran and biked from July on it's 80 mile biking a month and 10 miles running
a month.
From: jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Aerobic Capacity
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: jk@fiveg.icl.co.uk
Organization: ICL Computers Limited, EDS Project

What is Aerobic Capacity? Is it thesame as VO2 max?

(Wait for silly question along same lines as what is a low resting pulse?)

What is considered high/good for  such a capacity/?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Advice Required
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:59:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.142244.13100@waikato.ac.nz> rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Fellow triathletes ,
>
>I have been running for some time and have had numerous injuries associated
>with running (shin splints, knee problems) but last week I was doing my last
>training for a local triathalon when during the run (about 8km) my hip was
>hurting. There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone
>, this

This sounds very much like what happens as the midsoles of your shoes 
lose their ability to absorb shock.  Most people report this happens at
300-500 miles depending on your weight and the make of shoe.

>The current shoes I am using have not coused the problem before.

You said you had numerous problems with knees and shin splints which are
very often, if not usually, caused by shoes, so I think the shoes have 
caused problems before and they are causing more problems now. 
>

>Any ideas what it might be and how to prevent it happening on a regular basis?
>

New shoes, or more cushioned shoes.

That's my opinion.
At the least, it is a cheap experiment.


-- 
Bob Brand
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Dave Scott Article
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:15:30 GMT

Doug Jones <jonesey@advtech.uswest.com> writes:
>In the October 1992 issue of OUTSIDE magazine there is an informative
>article on Dave Scott.  The article is titled:

...I believe in the same month, the magazine "Triathlete" also had 
a couple of articles on Dave Scott.  This magazine has excellent
coverage of all major multi-sport events (the pros, age group athletes
of both genders).

Joe

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From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Subject: Re: Aerobic Capacity
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:24:11 GMT

In article <C0I7J4.7pn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

               [deleted]

>  I have gotten data from people who had no such deflection point.
>I propose a standard.  Ie your "AT" is defined as what you can sustain for
>1 hour.  

Anaerobic threshold is simply the point at which the relationship between
V'E (ventilation) and V'O2 deviates from linearity.  It couldn't be
standardized because it is different (absolutely, although more
or less similar relatively) for everyone.  It is a function of
workload, not exercise time.

Your measure of "fitness" is the ratio of your V'O2 at the AT and
>your V' O2 max.
 
V'O2 max will increase with training, and you will reach your
anaerobic threshold at a higher % of your max with training.
I'm not sure what that ratio would tell you.

> A high V'O2 max guarantees you nothing. 

 Not true!  For example, you'll have a lower heart rate at the
same submaximal V'O2 if you're trained vs untrained.

>they can drop me on a run or ride is because I can't compete even though
>I have a better V'O2 max and V' O2 at the workload (if better = higher).

I don't understand what you mean by "better".  I would think having
a higher V'O2 max on a cycle than one's opponents would certainly be
an advantage.  And at a GIVEN submaximal workload, unless you're an
elite athlete, your V'O2 will be about the same as the next guy's
(although you might be working at a different % of your max than
he is).

> You may be interested to know that my V'O2 max does not change between the
>summer (and my height (?) of fitness) and january.  Perhaps this can be
>attributed to my interval training but most likely it indicates that it
>is not something that can be trained.

It most certainly can change with training!!!  Improvements in V'O2
max usually range from 6-20% depending upon initial fitness level.

TD
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Hed Cx Wheels
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:54:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have a question for anyone who is familiar with Hed Cx wheels.  I just
purchased one for my bike, and I am just a little confused.

Is there an adapter for the valve stem of the tire, or does one have to 
purchase a tire with a VERRRYY long valve stem?  Or is there a trick
to this that I am just not seeing right now??  

Thanks in advance.

Rolf Arands
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: 1992 totals & results
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 16:25:47 GMT

Swim:  432,100 yds (245 miles)
Bike:  2,593 miles
Run:    900.1 miles
Rollers: 857 miles

Swim meets: 1
Hour swim for distance: 4,765yds (PR)

Running races: 11
	10 miler: 1 (1:05:55 (PR))
	10k: 2 (37:37 (PR), 5mi@29:57 (PR))
	5mi: 1 (? ran with a race walker)
	3.5mi: 2 (19:47 (PR))
	5k: 4 (17:25 (PR))
	1mi: 1 (4:55 (PR))
	800m: 1 (4x800 relay) (2:14)

MultiSport:
	Triathlons: 5
		Garden State Tin Man: ~500y/23mi/10k
		Fairview Lakes: ~.5mi/?/? (swim leg)
		Monmouth Parks: ~400y/12mi/4mi
		Sandy Hook: ~400y/12mi/2.7mi
		Greate Bay: 1000y/17mi/5k
	"Biathlons": 5
		NoRunAllFun: 1.2mi swim/14mi bike
		Splash'N'Dash: 1k swim/4k run
		Avon Run-Swim-Run: .5mi run/400y swim/.5mi run
		Ocean Grove Biathlon: 2mi run/200y swim
		Lighter-Than-Air: 3mi run/20mi bike/2mi run (run segments of relay)

Highlights:
- Fastest swim splits at 2 triathlons
- 1st team at Fairview Lakes (beat first overall individual, too)
- 10th overall at a triathlon (highest place for me)
- First on bike at a triathlon (lasted 1.2 miles :-(
- Finally under 5:00 for a mile (1st place for a trophy)
- Awards for all biathlons
- 1st age group at two biathlons
- Caught 8 of 11 ahead of me in the water at Ocean Grove Biathlon
- Teamed with girlfriend to take 3rd relay in open division of Lighter-Than-Air

Lowlights:
- Got sick halfway through 10miler
- Blew up on hills in GS Tin Man bike leg
- Slower bike splits than `91 in three triathlons

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From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Spokes & Goggles
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:54:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.100342@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (markus sperzel) writes:
>2) Ricardo's front wheel missed some spokes. I'm not sure, but I think he
>   spoked a 36 hole hub with only 24 spokes (type describbed above). Every
>   third spoke missed. (To make sure: I asked him aout this and he said, that
>   he spoked it that way)
>   Has anybody out there any experience with a wheel spoked this way?
>   What would be the best way to spoke a wheel like this (How many
>   crossings , what hubs, what rims etc.)?
>   Would this be o.k. for somebody who weights 70 - 75 Kg

I discussed having an aero rear wheel built for me by Wheelsmith.  I talked
with one of the owners.  He recommended a 36 hole hub for a 24 spoke wheel.
The wheel would have bladed spokes, be laced radially on the nondrive side,
and be laced 2-cross on the drive side.  He knew that I weighed around 170
pounds (a little more than 77 kg).  The hub was an Ultegra 8-speed cassete
hub.  The rim was a Sun Mistral 24 hole aerodynamic clincher rim (I don't
know the model, but if you're interested I have the same rim in another 
wheel at home).  The owner of Wheelsmith claimed to have ridden wheels like
these on rough roads, and he outweighs me; so I think you'd be okay with a
wheel like that.

Sean

(Hi, Karen!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Aerobic Capacity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:54:40 GMT

In article <kpalm.726367331@doc> kpalm@doc.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm) writes:
>jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>
>Basically, everyone has a resting pulse rate, maximum pulse rate, and a
>pulse rate that marks the transition from aerobic to anaerobic, known
>as the deflection point.  The range between the resting pulse rate and
>the deflection point is one's aerobic capacity.

That point is hotly debated.  If it were true then the actual point occures
earlier because you must have already passed thru the AT, gotten the blood
lactate up and then then thru a few more steps you end up increasing you
V' O2  (note: prime is used as a derivative the way it should be - I hate
the change in terminolgy as I go from engineering <-> math <-> kin.)
  I have gotten data from people who had no such deflection point.
I propose a standard.  Ie your "AT" is defined as what you can sustain for
1 hour.  Your measure of "fitness" is the ratio of your V'O2 at the AT and
your V' O2 max.
  Of course that will not hold water either.  A high V'O2 max guarantees
you nothing.  You have to consider the efficiency of conversion of chemical
energy (O2 + substrate + other pathways) into mechanical work.  It just so
happens that I am average at about 21% while some of my good friends are
much better at 27%.  That means that at the same speed they are using 30%
less water, air, energy and produce 30% less heat.  The only reason that
they can drop me on a run or ride is because I can't compete even though
I have a better V'O2 max and V' O2 at the workload (if better = higher).
  It is interesting to note that the effiency does not seem to be trainable
(I have to research that some) but it does vary with position.  When I do
a V'O2 max test suppin as opposed to upright I am 10% more efficient
although high power work is impared.
  You can get a quick guess of your V'O2 max by using the step test and a
few other ones.  They are quick and dirty but usually quite accurate.  
However, keep in mind that the number is not really indicative of much.
But generally a high V'O2 max comes with olympic performances but a high
V'O2 will not guarantee that ability.
  Basically if you aren't top dog after about 3 years of training you will
never be.  Blame your parents for not making you a genetic phreek.  You 
may be interested to know that my V'O2 max does not change between the
summer (and my height (?) of fitness) and january.  Perhaps this can be
attributed to my interval training but most likely it indicates that it
is not something that can be trained.  Endurance does change an awful
lot however.  There are many other points and I imagine I will get to them
when the flames come back from this posting.
  - Eric 
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From: pablo@tofu-hut.csd.sgi.com (Pablo Sanchez)
Subject: Sore knee!  : -(
Keywords: Just started training!!!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:35:48 GMT

I just started training for biathlon's and I was doing some fatigue
training this past Thursday and when I was done my left knee was kinda
sore.  I've iced it and put heat on it and it feels better but it's not at
100%.  Since it's been raining here in CA I used my Mtn. bike for the bike
part.  I only did 10 miles on bike and 2 miles of running.  It seems that
the injury occurred during the cycling.  Anyone have any recommendations on
what to do?  I've layed off the knee for three days.  It is still a little
bit sore (or in pain) when I walk.  If I'm to look down my left leg, it
hurts slighly to the right of the patella (sp?).  

Should I stay off of it s'more or should I try and train a bit and see if
the pain increases, decreases or stays the same???  Thanks!

-- 

Pablo Sanchez           "Under the bridge downtown - forgot about my love
pablo@sgi.com            Under the bridge downtown - I gave my life away"
                            RHCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: WWF, WCW, Flair, and Narcissus
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:16:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.013351.12285@samba.oit.unc.edu> Edward.Starczewski@launchpad.unc.edu (Edward Starczewski) writes:
>>Boston Herald for Sunday 1/10/93-Wrestling Column stated
>>that Ric Flair's last day with WWF will be February 10th and that
>>he's slated to begin working for Watts/WCW Feb. 15th.

>I don't know if this has been brought up before, but what do you think of the
>possibility of Watts and Mcmahon making a deal for Flair/Luger.  Something like
>Flair can wrestle in WCW before his WWF contract is up, and Luger (narcissus)
>can wrestle in WWF before march -- would make sense given there on this big
>Narcissus push presently in the WWF.

This has been mentioned before, and I'm sure that it's true...

Anyway, did anyone else notice how Bobby Heenan used Flair's name
when telling us how much better Narcissus was than Mr. Perfect?  He
said something about how Flair can comfirm that Narcissus has a
more-than-perfect body, mind, etc.  I guess Flair is now in Red
Rooster mode, and he's going to have to admit that everyone else
is better than he is (or have Heenan do it for him).

I bet Flair can't wait for Feb. 10.  Word is that he's been unhappy
with the WWF for a long time, even before his second title reign.

I wonder if WCW and the WWF made any agreement about Flair's booking
until the 10th.  Maybe WCW told them that they could use Lugar if
they let Flair out of his contract early and didn't job him to death.

By the way, how's the inner-ear injury?  Has Flair completely
recovered?  Maybe that's one reason Vince was willing to let go
of him.  Didn't Flair also get paid Hogan-style, in other words,
not by the match?  If that's so, perhaps McMahon felt he wasn't
getting his money's worth and was glad to not have to pay Ric
the rest of his money.

I hope Flair's return to WCW is good, but I'm skeptical.  If he
retired now, I think it would probably be a good move.  He's not as
young as he used to be -- we'll probably never see him in the form
he was in 1989 again.  If the ear injury is still bothering him,
he may be a mere shadow of his former self.

If the rumors are true, I guess we'll see.  It's hard to judge a
wrestler's ability while they're "wrestling" in the WWF.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:54:59 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: clash predictions
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


our news feed went belly-up 1.5 days ago, so if anyone reported any
late-breaking news (like who's replacing Van Hammer in the 8-man
for instance) I missed it.


I was originally going to predict Tony destroying Van Hammer in the arm
wrestling match, setting up an injured Hammer loss in the 8-man, but 
if Hammer is out with a bad back I guess that's gone.  I suppose with
the Cactus seemingly face-turn, he could fill in for Hammer on
team-Sting...that would have some built-in heat from his fight with
Vader, Orndork, Harley Racist, etc shown on sunday.

any news on how Jake is coming along at the betty ford clinic?
i suppose it's too early for him to be back, eh?

		--Otto "Cactus Hack with a shovel" Heuer