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From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License Delays
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:11:24 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:03:35 GMT you said:
>In article <Pine.3.05.9301101152.A27815-9100000@uafhp.uark.edu>,
>plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:
>
>> Ya know, maybe if we paid more than $0.56/yr for our licenses...

 <stuff deleted>

>I don't know where you got the figure $0.56/yr., but for 1992, the

  I think you go on to answer your own rant...

>implied examination fee of $5.60 sounds about right for 1993, though.

See?  I *did* forget about free renewals...

>again).  That's a TESTING fee, not a LICENSE fee.

Hence the reference to volunteer EXAMINERS...

>
>Besides, and more important, that DOESN'T generally go to the
>volunteer examiners.  It goes to the _volunteer examiner

New factoid (for me).  Thought the *team* got it. Goes to the League, eh?
Or Fred.

>NOTHING, they're a Federal Government agency, so even if we're not
>paying them directly, we're paying them, make no mistake about it!

No kidding?  I thought they just printed what they needed.  8-)
So we should get *every*thing for free from them?  It's not like a ham
license is a Constitutional Right.  Do we really expect all the taxpayers
to subsidize our hobby?


Peter
A Damn Codeless Tech
(who is rapidly desending the slippery slope to libertarianism...)

Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE info-hams
Date: 7 Jan 1993 05:29:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

From: clueless@mantis.co.uk
To: clueless@mantis.co.uk
Subject: Welcome, clueless user!

Welcome to the Clueless Users Network Test System, an intelligence test
for the ignorant and impolite.

You have been automatically added to this mailing list because you sent a
subscription request like "UNSUB ME" out to the entire readership of a
mailing list, instead of sending it to the list server or list maintainer.

There is nobody of worth reading this mailing list.  The only way you can
become unsubscribed is to figure out the standard way of unsubscribing
from an Internet mailing list.  Until that time, you will get these
messages regularly.

If you made an innocent mistake in sending your "UNSUB ME" out to the
entire list, then you will know how to unsubscribe from this list
immediately and no harm will be done.

If, on the other hand, you simply have no clue how to deal with mailing
lists, you'd better start reading up on the subject before you go
blundering around again.  Your attention is cordially drawn to the
newsgroups news.announce.newusers, news.newusers.questions, and
news.answers.

Final hint: the mailing list address is clueless@mantis.co.uk.

Have fun.

 mathew
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:09:41 GMT

In article <9301041945.aa10639@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>As I say above: 900 and 1200Mhz are not microwave bands. They are UHF bands.

Most equipment manufacturers disagree with you. Motorola has marketed
a "microwave" radio system in the 950 MHz spectrum for many years. I
have six of them and they all say "microwave" on the cabinets. Microwave
ovens also operate below 3 GHz, as do all of our broadcast ENG microwave
links in the 2 GHz area. 

The ITT's Reference Data For Radio Engineers has this to say about the 
spectrum from 300-3,000 MHz: "Description of bands by means of adjectives 
is arbitrary and the CCIR recomends that it be discontinued, e.g., "ultra 
high frequency" should not be used to describe the range 300 to 3000 MHz."
Thus the terms UHF and microwave are both *slang* terms that are not acceptable
to the CCIR, though they are in common use by users and manufacturers alike.
Most manufacturers and users consider frequencies above 900-1000 MHz to
be "microwave" bands. Since slang is defined by usage, then this spectrum
is de facto microwave.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
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Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: 5rtrtrt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.e.stealey)
Subject: Re: ARRL 10 meter preamp help?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:35:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.160549.3344@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (nuts2u::little) writes:
> I can peak the variable capacitor, but find very little change in signal
> strength when adjusting the slug tuned coil.  The coil is one I wound
> myself on a form a salvaged from another coil.
> Todd  N9MWB

Todd,
I have built that type of circuit.  VERY likely, your coil is not resonant.
If you could put a variable cap across it, tweak the cap, and look for 
resonance.  If that doesn't work, take some turns off and try again until
it peaks.

How's the voltage supply?  You getting some current flowing?  (measure
voltage across the source resistor to check).

If this doesn't work, let me know and I'll mail you a coil that
DOES resonate.  Pop it in and away you go, but you'll miss out
on all the fun that way!!

Rick    KT2Q
From: mikemr@microsoft.COM (Michael Mraz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL status of YX0AI
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ingate.9301081209.aa13155
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I spoke with Jim Talens (N3JT) this morning, and he said that the
YX0AI managers are sending out the last 800 (or so) cards this
week or next. He said that if the managers have your cards, then
they have sent the YX0AI cards to you (or they will have by the
end of next week).

A good friend of mine grew up in Venezuela. He said that the state
post office is so corrupt and unreliable that the only way to get mail
delivered in the country (especially Caracas) is to use private courier
services. Good luck.

Mike    N6MZ    mikemr@microsoft.com
From: badbunny@tfsp.saic.com (Brendan Hoar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need: TH-78A mods & tips
Date: 10 Jan 1993 17:53:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




Is there an FTP site where modification text files are stored?

I already have the TH-78A mod file done by Rich Garcia N2CZF (Revised: October
22, 1992 and grabbed from AOL - thanks Rich!) and was wondering if he or anyone
else had come up with further modifications that could be done to the unit?  I
scan the newsgroup (have been scanning for a week now since I passed my no code
Tech license last Sunday) so it is your choice whether you post or email the
reply.

The extended receive capabilities makes the TH-78A a useful scanner substitute
for those of us, currently unlicensed, who are waiting and waiting and
waiting... ;)  Now all I need to do is to convince my friend (who is an
engineer) to pop a couple of diodes out - I'm sure not doing it!  I can
(de)solder regular parts, but not SMDs.

Many thanks,
Brendan

PS - did someone say 3 months?  <slump>  ;)


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From: kd2bd@ka2qhd.de.com (John Magliacane)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
Subject: Quartz Crystal Sources (cheap)?
Keywords: Special orders for homebrew project
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:54:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ka2qhd - Ocean NJ



Does anyone have a "favorite" source for quartz crystals?

I need two crystals, 3rd mode, VHF region, in a small holder.  JAN wants
$14.00 each, Crystek wants about $12.50 each.

Before I get "mugged", I was wondering if anyone knew of any place that could
do better.

(What ever happened to $4.00 crystals?  Jeesh!)

Please e-mail responses.  If they look good, I'll post a follow-up.

Thanks in advance.

73, de John, KD2BD


-- 
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Engineering & Technology Dept.     AMPR : KD2BD @ NN2Z.NJ.USA.NA
Brookdale Community College        UUCP : ...!rutgers!ka2qhd!kd2bd
Lincroft, NJ  07738  USA           VOICE: (908) 224-2948
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pas@jupitercmc.ca (Peter Stokes)
Subject: intermod, overload, desense?
Reply-To: pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: not likely
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:55:36 GMT

I recently installed a Diamond D130 discone antenna
for a friend's Pro-2006 and Bearcat BC760XLT scanners.
After the installation was complete, we found reception
to be much poorer with the new discone and better with
the old metal whip antennas supplied with the scanners.
What's really interesting is that the reception IMPROVES
when the Pro-2006 10dB attenuator is enabled!

After some thought and reading (including the ARRL 
handbook),  I suspect the receiver front-ends are 
suffering from something called desensitization from 
a very strong signal from the nearby university broadcast
band FM radio station.    I have ordered the Grove
Scanner Filter and will try it when it arrives.   I am
hoping it will notch out the FM transmission and solve
the problem.    I presume that "desense" means the receiver
front end noise floor has effectively been raised to such 
a high level as to bury most other signals.   Is there 
any way to confirm this?   Has anyone experienced the same?
Comments are appreciated.    

Peter

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Anybody want to talk about Clover?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan11.175448.5544@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan12.103227.7760@walter.cray.com>
	<1993Jan13.002531.18032@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:46:33 GMT

Are the details of the Clover protocols published, i.e. is enough
info available for J. Random Ham (with enough engineering resources)
to build his/her own Clover board without having to disassemble
or reverse engineer anything?
From: MSUORANTA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mika Suoranta Tkkk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL cards from SWLers (was Re: Ham transmissions-a hypot
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:09:47 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics, Finland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1icp0aINNmiv@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com writes:

>  In article <1993Jan5.161735.17871@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>  > In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu
>  >(Simon E. Booth) writes:
>  > 
>  > [...]
>  >
>  > >Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
>  > >Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
>  > >shortwave listeners?
>  > 
>  > Sure. It's less common today than when we were operating AM, but it
>  > still happens from time to time. Most hams who QSL, not all do, will
>  > reply to a SWL card.
>  > 
>  
>  What does one reply to a SWL card?  I got one recently, and didn't realize
>  that some sort of reply was appreciated.  Just a note saying thanks? or is
>  there something more that should be done?  I'd hate to leave the guy hanging
>  if he's expecting some sort of reply...


	I would just send my QSL-card, via bureau if the SWLer has a
	"swl-callsign" (most have) or otherwise expect him to have sent
	a SASE with his SWL card.

	Make sure it is stated on your QSL that it is SWL reception
	verification, no QSLing two-way communication. My QSL cards 
	have text "to radio/swl" where the callsign goes. Just underline
	the appropriate word. I have also entered call of the station
	I was QSOing.

	Most hams don't bother to QSL swl-cards, but remember that 
	every swl-listener is a potential new ham. Some reception
	reports have been useful, for example when I was testing my
	very first homemade QRP-rig I couldn't make any QSO's for
	weeks, but one UA1-station had heard me CQing and sent a card.

	I do check all swl-cards against my log, and both time and
	callsigns must be 100% correct - with some reasonable time
	margin, say five minutes. If it is phone QSO, then RS reports
	must also be ok. Let's keep ham QSLs valuable and not inflate
	them by QSLing to anyone who claims to have heard us calling CQ.
	(my QRP-experiment was an exception, I did remember CQing)

		73 Mika






>  
>  73 de Faith N1JIT
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  Faith M. Senie            InterNet: fms@vos.stratus.com
>  Stratus Computer, Inc.    InterNet: fms@hoop.sw.stratus.com
>  55 Fairbanks Blvd.       Pkt Radio: n1jit@ka1srd.ma.usa.na
>  Marlboro, MA 01752           Phone: (508)460-2632
>  
>  "I'm afraid I don't know very much about Romulan Disruptor settings" --Spock


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 Graduate Student, Turku School of Economics, Ham Radio OH1NZQ CEPT-Class 1
 Internet e-mail MSUORANTA@FINABO.ABO.FI  Packet Radio OH1NZQ@OH1RBU.FIN.EU
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From: G0RDI.BRidge_House@rxuk.xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: W5YI - Economical with the truth?
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: G0RDI.Bridge_House@rxuk.xerox.com
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Folks,

I just got a package from W5YI through the mail; you know the sort of thing
.... subscription offers for The W5YI Report, Ham education books, etc. Also
included was a rather cute square piece of paper, headed `CONGRATULATIONS!' A
real attention grabber.

At the risk of boring some folks, reproduced here is the portion of the text of
this document with which I take issue:-

"Congratulations! on the recent upgrading of your amateur radio operator
license! We note, however, that you upgraded without having your most recent
FCC amateur radio operator license in your possesion. While this is perfectly
legal, the FCC does not allow VEC's to forward amateur radio upgrade (Form 610)
applications to them for new license issuance without a photocopy of the
applicant's most pervious license attached. In view of this, we are HOLDING
your FCC FORM 610 application here at the VEC Office until we receive a copy
FROM YOU of your most previous amateur radio operator license.

We want you to receive your upgraded license AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. You CANNOT
receive your new amateur operator license without the previous license
photocopy being attached to your pending application being held here at the VEC
Office ......"

Now, what, precisely is my problem?

I started on the trail of a U.S. amatuer license 18-Nov-92. At the session that
day, for one reason or another, I had time only to get through enough elements
to take me up to General class.  A (very) few days later; 21-Nov-92, in fact, I
attended a further session, completing the remaining elements to take me to
Extra class. Of course, at the second session, I needed to fill out another
'610. I did so, taking great care to complete the section which requested
information on any pending application which was as yet unactioned by the FCC.
My assumption was that they (the FCC) would be able to use that data to quickly
tie up my two '610s. Seems I was mistaken.

OK - who can cite the FCC regulations cited by W5YI?

73     -     Iain
G0RDI

g0rdi.bridgehouse@rxuk.xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Dave Plumb)
Subject: Undeliverable Messages                  
Cc: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:45:00 +0000

What is it with this mailer "Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu" that has just put four huge 
undeliverable messages? Why also are there so many other "Undeliverable Mail" 
and suchlike messages in this newsgroup? 
 
I'm new to this newsgroup, does this kind of thing happen very often, is 
there not a solution to it? I will be rapidly un-joining if my downloads take 
5 minutes longer than required each day! 
 
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:50:38 GMT

In article <8331@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.151546.17029@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>In article <8309@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>>Fortunately for reason, the FCC disagrees. I suggest you reread 97.205(e).
>>What does limiting user control of ancillary functions have to do with 
>>anything in this discussion?
>
>I guess, then, that you support limiting the right to keep and bear arms to
>members of an organized militia unit...

No, I support limiting the right to keep and bear arms to a well
regulated militia. The neaning of well regulated in 1776 was "skilled"
and militia was the entire *unorganized* body of the people. An
organized militia, also called the National Guard, is part of the
government's standing army, something covered in Article I Section 8.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bat@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Pat Masterson)
Subject: Re: Aluminum tubes in Bay Area.
Organization: Grumman Data Systems, Woodbury, New York, USA.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:58:39 GMT

 Most good antennaa (Mosley, HyGain, etc) use an aircraft type
aluminum. It is heat treated to give it greater strength, to
handle windloads and ice. It is FAR superior to standard tubing
in this regard. It's designation is 6061. My advice, to antenna
builders, is use only 6061 type tubing.
-- 
*-----------------------------------------------------------*
*     Pat Masterson    KE2LJ                                *
*     Grumman Data Systems, NY  516-346-6316.               *
*-----------------------------------------------------------*
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Closed repeaters
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:10:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls1.cs.tamu.edu

In article <1igfa7INNqoi@network.ucsd.edu>, brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
|> Jay, you're from Texas; you know that the best way to handle assbites
|> like these is to shoot them.  Cheaper, too.
|> 
|> For the rest of us:
|> This argument has once again gotten beyond reason; either take it to
|> the street or shut up.
|> 	- Brian

As a wise man said: "Killing someone is only a momentary pleasure, and it's
bound to get you talked about."  Lazarus Long/Robert Heinlein
-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M University ***
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ker@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kenneth.roser)
Subject: TM-732A Remoting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:46:34 GMT

I'd like to remote the head of a TM-732A without purchasing Kenwood's
remoting kit.  I understand the connector used for the head (not the mike)
is an uncommon connector.  Does anyone know where to get this connector?
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Roser - WA2VCI - ker@mtgzfs3.att.com - AT&T Bell Laboratories - 908-957-5822
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From: GREG@PLSZUS11.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amiga software questions
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:25:44 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Hi all,

I am looking for FTP addresses wher I can find HAM (Packet) software for
Amiga comp. There are a lot of places with AmigaNOS but what about other
kind of programs? Wher can I find software for Satellite tracking, Fax,
TNCs, telemetry?
I have some files from nic.funet.fi /pub/ham/amiga (ham1..ham6.LHW). But
there are some problems when I try to use my LHW on it. Is there anybody
who use these files and can help me to extract it?

Thank you in advance,
73 de Greg,   (GREG@PLSZUS11)
From: stellabo@phage.cshl.org (Fred Stellabotte)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Temp Station in  Antugia, West Indies
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:39:38 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory

During the first week of Feb I will be vacationing in
the Caribean on the Island of Antugia ..

I am considering bringing my new 10 meter rig with  me ..

Can I get a Antugia call sign this close to my depart date  ..??

Thanks for any help ..

-Fred


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  >| ====  Computer Systems Manager
  >| ====  CFI-AI-MEI     
  >| ==== ___________________________________________________________
  >| ====  Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory         Voice: (516)367-8420
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: very little
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 04:13:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.011010.8108@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:
>In article <1993Jan02.061920.7115@ssc.com> tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>>
>>Let me see if I have this straight (!).........     :)
>>
>>I get my 440 MHz link set up, and get a coordinated frequency from
>>the local coordination council.  Everything works fine, until one
>>day YOU show up and start transmitting there.
>>
>>And *I* have to turn off my gear??
>>
>>I don't think so!
>>
>Of course you don't HAVE to turn your gear off. Just don't whine about him
>using your repeater.
>

Why do you characterize jamming a link freq as "using your repeater"??

>


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