From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Followups-To: alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Followup-To: alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:32:04 GMT

[Followups directed to alt.sex and alt.sex.bondage]

sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

|(Disclaimer - these are fully my own opinios - I mean nobody no harm)

I hope that that double negative was unintentional.

|The more I look at people's postings about the problems of the world in our
|Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
|techings of Jesus.  

Why do you think that?  Jesus lived in a time that had its fair share of
problems.  The land in which he lived was occupied by a foreign military
power, and the people were quite upset about it.  His religion was being
persecuted against, and was undergoing a fairly nasty split.

I'd say that the world has always had problems....

|We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
|to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
|practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  

In what way do you see people practicing "Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency?"
You posted this article to several groups, so it's not quite clear who
you're addressing.

You posted your article to alt.sex and alt.sex.bondage, among other places.
I assume then that sexual activity beyond the marital missionary position
type falls under your definition of "Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency."

Let me assure you that this is not the case.  Trust me, I've chatted with
God on the matter a few times, and She has assured me of this.

At least from where I'm standing, so long as _any_ sexual activity occurs
between/among people who have given informed consent, AND it acts as an
expression of love, AND it doesn't interfere with the lives of other folks,
God has no problem with it.

You may have no interest whatsoever, or even be turned off by what some people
like to do.  However, your judgement is not one that matters in most cases.
Choice of "sexual style" really matters only to those folks involved.

In other words, if you don't like what people do in their private lives, just
ignore it.  As long as no one is getting hurt, life will go on.

|Jesus can show you all your
|true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
|with each other in industry.

Many of the people you seem to be critisizing have already found their "true
paths" (or at least have a pretty good idea of what they are).  In fact,
I think that you may find that many of your "deviants" lead more Christian
lives (in principle, if not in practice) than many of the people who do
things you approve of in their private lives.

|If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
|them do unto you", there would be no problems in society.

Believe me, many of the people who read or post to alt.sex.bondage already
practice that principle to a greater extent than I'd think you'd really
care to consider.  :)

|-Sgreever
|E-mail me at sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu

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Michael Adams
StarOwl@uiuc.edu
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