HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Incestuous Sandrus and Rumanian hores in Istanbul
Keywords: Herpes, div. Fungous and AIDS victims.
Reply-To: suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:49:58 GMT


'Herpes Headed Incstuous Fungous Nick Sandrus' has got his gipsy feelings
boiling again. He must be son of a Rumanian hore given food and
life in Denmark!!

He has posted some ugly  messages to some news groups, by putting
my e-mail address on top instead of his own.

This is a criminal action and he is going to pay for it, I promise!!!
Besides the sexual diseases, he must be suffering from many 
kinds of mental diseases.

Who is paying for him to behave as a net terrorist?

If you please look at this news header you'll immediately find
out the exact route and the originator of the message.
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> Path: hp4at!mcsun!sunic!diku!dkuug!cri.dk!sandes!xantos.uio.no!suley
> From: suley@xantos.uio.no
> Newsgroups: alt.test,eunet.test,misc.test
> Subject: I've got the finger!
> Message-ID: <04002201436.root@sandes.cri.dk>
> Date: 17 Jul 92 02:00:19 GMT
> Sender: suley@xantos.uio.no
> Organization: Crap-on-the-net
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Now compare
His path is through Danish backbone-machine at Dkuug ... and mcsun
(backbone in Nederlands)

with the path of the message you're reading right now!
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Again compare 

with Message-ID: of the message you're reading right now!

Our Message-ID:'s at the University of Oslo look always like
something like that:


not the one Incestuous Sandrus has somewhere in Danemark.
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Also compre 

With the one you are reading.
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This chicken head blieves that he can cheat us!

I am sending all of the Path: and Message-ID: information of the
fake messages he has posted here in this newsgroup.

I hope you will find out the evel of the net!

Regards

S.Kondakci
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dku
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: A Number Of These Nazi Armenians Were Volunteers From France...
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:08:24 GMT





'!spool.mu.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu'

>  You can call me whenever you want and talk to me about the (mostly)
>psychological problems that seem to torture and lacerate your wretched soul.  

The only conclusion that can be gained here is that 'Hallam the Crook'
is a registered member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle. Anyway,
altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians served in various units in the German 
Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. Berkian. 14,000 in predominantly Armenian 
army units, 6,000 in German army units, 8,000 in various working units 
and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1]

A number of these Nazi Armenians were volunteers from France,
Greece, Rumania and Bulgaria who had chosen to commit
themselves to the German war effort. Derounian says that

"Dashnag Armenians from France bore the mark 'Legion 
 Armenienne.'"[2]

That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher' and Nezhdeh sided
with the Germans probably had an impact on the decision of
Armenians who overwhelmingly opted for armed service.

[1] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900
    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg
    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 118/119.     
[2] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), in 'The Armenian 
    Displaced Persons,' ibid., p. 19.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Oboy, Is 'PXP111' Full Of It?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:20:41 GMT

In article <9207221002.A9890Mp@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
>        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).
>
>   page 193 (last paragraph):


  OK, we checked for the personal story behind Professor Shaw.

  He is an American Jew married to a Turkish Muslim.
  Her name is Ezel Kurel and she is Professor at UCLA like Shaw
  (I hope no family's influence in academic decisions :-)).

  Ezel Kurel is a Turk, born in Turkey, raised in Turkey and 
  educated in Turkey.

  After that, the credibility of Shaw as objective historian about
  Turkey "goes for a walk".

  Now, the massive historical revisionism from Mutlu Incorporated
  has to look for better sources :-).


  GR

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:8050 soc.culture.greek:6835
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: What is the origin of the name Istanbul?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:53:21 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <MACRAKIS.92Jul26150818@next4.osf.org>, macrakis@osf.org
(Stavros Macrakis) writes:
>In article <Jul24.201126.53372@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>
>   Kathareusa Greek: Eis tiv poliv.
>   Dimotiki Greek:      Stiv poli.
>
>Another remark on Istanbul vs. Stamboul:
>
>1) Assimilation of `nb' to `mb' is very common.  It is standard in

If I remember well, it is a standard phenomenon in Greek to change "n" to
"m" before "p" since ancient Greek.

>   to hear `stiboli' instead of the standard `sti poli' or `stin
>   poli'.

The "n" at the end of the articles "(s)ton" and "(s)tin" is dropped before
words that start with consonants other than "t", "k", "p", "ks", and "ps".
So, the standard form is "stin poli". Most Greeks find "stin poli" better
sounding than "sti poli"; hence the rule.

>PS Constantine -- you might want to use phonetic rather than visual
>   spelling conventions to make your Greek examples clearer.  Although
>   `v' looks more like a `ni' than `n' does, it will no doubt mystify
>   a non-Greek.

I used "v" rather than "n" by mistake.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: your removal from trknws-l
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:16:19 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

if you get a message that indicates that you have been removed from
the trknws-l, it is because some of the news we have sent you has
been returned.

please resubscribe with the following commands:

	sub trknws-l yourname yourlastname

send this command as an e-mail to
	listserv@uscvm.bitnet

do not send it to the editors or owners of trknws-l!
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TUGIAD to advise Russian Young Businessmen
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:05:37 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

TUGIAD TO ADVISE RUSSIAN YOUNG BUSINESSMEN

A Russian Association of Young Businessmen is to be set up and the
Board of Directors of the Turkish Association of Young Businessmen
(TUGIAD) reached an agreement in principle with a Russian business
delegation visiting Turkey to act as advisers.

In the talks, topics such as cooperation, mutual investment posibilities,
technology transfer, solution of financial problems and legal regulations
regarding business life were considered. Murat Bekdik, TUGIAD Secretary
General said that, at the talks agreement was reached on cooperation
and the parties will meet again in September.

NEWSPOT, July 1992
            _
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:8146 talk.politics.mideast:17429 talk.politics.soviet:6466 soc.culture.greek:6919 soc.culture.europe:6706 soc.history:6824
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Johnny-Come-Lately' Looks Intently At 'Dunn's Face For Information.
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:04:46 GMT





<JMC.92Jul30122626@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)

>At worst Mutlu has excessively posted lies.  

What would I do if you were blind and deaf? Like a pilot in a fog relying 
on limited instruments, 'Johnny-come-lately' looks intently at 'Dunn's 
face for information on the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim women, 
children and elderly people. 

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph). 

 'How many people lived there?'
 'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
 'Did you see any Turk officers?'
 'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

 "The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me - 
 Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
 so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into 
 laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
 of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
 Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
 have been.

 From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
 The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
 the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap 
 of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
 spinning-wheels.

 'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'
 ... We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours
 the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's
 wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of
 other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"

p. 354.

"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
 high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
 but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
 of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
 Moslem villages."


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  SOVOK => CHAYNIK (New ? terminology)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:13:15 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Few days ago I recieved private message from
Alexei Lebedev (lebedev@dxl303.cern.ch)
concerning this subject. During mail exchange
which followed, he told me much interesting
of it. I asked him for permission to make it
public, and having now received it, like to
offer you a compilation of our exchange.

D.L.

===============================================
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:45:28 +0200
From: lebedev@dxl303.cern.ch

Hi Dmitry,

you wrote:

>>
>>|Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:17:19 +0200
>>|From: lebedev@dxl303.cern.ch (Alexei A. Lebedev)
>>|
>>|In article <9207201830.AA15274@feds66.Prime.COM>,
>>|dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner) writes:
>>|
>>|##>There is a slight change in "terminology" in the xUSSR.
>>|##>Not all xUSSR sitizens are called SOVOKs now.
>>|##>Those who managed to go abroad (emigries or temporary visiters) are
>>|##>called CHAYNIKI .
>>|##
>>|##
>>|##Pretty strange. "Chajnik" was used, as I percepted it then, several
>>|##years ago somewhat in the sense of "fraer"(blatn.) or "bezzabotnyj"
>>|##or even "lopux" or "prostofilya" (somewhat mixed).

[I've missed actually relevant and most common now
meaning of it, which is 'novice', here - D.L.]

>>|##                                                   Cf. also in Galich's
>>|##song:
>>|##
>>|##"Vot lezhu ya na kojke kak chajnichek,
>>|##Zlaya smert' nado mnoyu kruzhit..."
>>|
>>|
>>|Hi,
>>|the meaning of 'chajnichek' in Galich's song is mad. Long before these bloody
>>|commies started 'large scale' mountain climbing etc the meaning of the word
>>|'chainik' was 'mad' = 'suffering from mental disease'.
>>
>>
>>Thank you very much for the explanation. I didn't know that.
>>I thought meaning of "chajnichek" here is like "pridurivayushchijsya".
>>In fact, "pridurivayushchijsya" seems to be close to "novichok" ->
>>"diletant/lyubitel'" -> "bezdel'nik, zanimayushchijsya ot nechego delat'".
>>Was the meaning of 'chajnik' exactly 'mad', or it was more close to
>>"pridurok"? In other words, what is 'mad' - "sumasshedshij" or "psix"?

I think that 'chajnik' in that sense denotes the man who is simulating madness,
i.e, ''psix'', you are right.

>>Do you know what time the meaning 'mad' first appeared about? (50-ies?)
>>Has it something to do with popular joke "Ya chajnik" (by person pretending
>>to be mad and portraying his arm as being kettle's handle)?

A friend of mine came from 'big' city of Leningrad circa 1961 in my
'small' 'village' of Riga and learned me to use the expression "Ya - chajnik"
exactly in the sense you mentioned.

>>Also, am I right recalling "chajnik" was used as synonim to "kotelok"
>>in sense of "thinking organ" (referring to impaired ability of it)?

I never heard this, I do not consider 'chajnik' and 'kotelok' be synonims,
but I like an analogy very much.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: single women
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:07:32 GMT

In article <91659@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>
>My, onanisty, narod muskulistyi
>Nas ne zamanish' sis'koi myasistoi!!!
>
  I could recall somewhat different version: 

My, onanisty, narod plechistyi,
Nas ne zamanesh liazhkoi myasistoi,
Nas ne zamanesh devstennoi plevoi, -
Ustanesh pravoi - robotai levoi...

Serega
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Calm down!
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:32:35 EDT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Jul28.163155.8571@ramon.bgu.ac.il> ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe) writes:


>anonymous@usa pishet:
>>Soskuchilis' po tsenzure - mozhno idti na Irc. Tam russkie izrail'tyane
>>vse okkupirovali, i gonyat vse kto chem-to ne ponravit'sya. Pravda
>>sredi nih est' i neplohie tovarishi, osobenno devchonki.
>Chto ia hochu skazat', tak eto 2 veshi!!!!!!
>1) Nehorosho pisat' anonimki.
>2) po-sushestvu ia soglasen s anonimshikom, no pust' otkroet svoe istinnoe litso:)
>3) devchonki oni horoshi tol'ko po otnosheniu k tem, kto ikh ne znaet v litso,
>a esli kto-to znaet i hochet skazat' istinnuiu pravdu, to ego 'kick'aiut' is kanala.
>4) Sredi russkih israil'tian sushestvuet politicheskaiia tsenzura, osobenno sredi pravykh.
>Nick.

By looking at the Sender: * line, you could see that it was
Igor Sheyn (or someone else from the same domain).

Misha.
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: single women
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:49:52 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

vgurarie@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Victor V. Gurarie) writes:
>Xvatit ob etix onanistax etc.

Nobody was insulting your hobby...

>Davaite obsuzhdat' gamakov, raz yzh tak

...and there are more appropriate newsgroups to discuss your closet urges.  

Squirt more Crisco on your palm and get back to work.
-- 
"... i heard the droning / in the shrine
	     of the sea-monkey / palace of the brine ..." -- Pixies.
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
VERITAS Software                           ...!{apple|uunet}!veritas!oleg
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Stop forgeries !
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:59:07 EDT

In article <84827@netnews.upenn.edu>, libkin@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Leonid Libkin) writes:
> Please do your homework in your local test newsgroup before posting to
> the net. As the first step, I suggest that you use message-id's that
> have more than 30% different symbols and are not of the same length
> and structure:
> 
> ->From: dan@CONGRESS.DC.GOV (Dan Quale)
> ->	Subject: (none)
> ->	Message-ID: <9207291743.AA27979@congress.dc.gov>
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ->From: libkin@SAUL.CIS.UPENN.EDU (Leonid Libkin)
> ->Subject: Stop forgeries !
> ->Message-ID: <9208291741.AB97909@saul.cis.upenn.edu>
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> When you know how to do this, go ahead and study more advanced
> techniques.  For example, creating a fake posting, check if you copy
> the signature of a person correctly.
> 
>> I strongly suspect, though, who is doing this
> 
> Not only do I suspect who is doing this, I know that!
> 
> LL
   
   Surely, it is time when you are not THE ONLY one who knows the faker.
Vadim.
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: PIGS, BROADS, AND OTHERS
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:48:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul22.074810.14053
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9207220118.AA16947@feds66.Prime.COM> 
"soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

DL:
>>			    Another one is God's personal identity.

MZ:
>>That is rather uninteresting, I'm afraid.  The putative identity of the
>>most perfect being interests me even less than the putative location of the
>>most perfect island (I trust you are up on your Anselm and Gaunilo);
>>furthermore, I agree with Aristotle and Spinoza that the feeling must be
>>mutual.  It follows that the most appropriate attitude to be adopted
>>towards Christians, as well as other idolaters of a personal deity, is that
>>of benign contempt, wouldn't you agree?

DL:
>It's up to you, actually.

Indeed it is.

DL:
>			   But don't you remember a proverb:
>"Ne ssy protiv vetra?". (By "veter" I don't mean here Christians
>or other idolaters of a personal deity.)

Well, you see, around these parts we have another saying: "What have
you done for me LATELY?"  Besides, vodoboyazn' is to be preferred to
bogoboyazn' -- just look at Mr Markish for evidence.  "Mnooogaya leta"
indeed...

DL:
>					  I mean, feeling would
>be mutual. 

That's just what I said.

DL:
>	    Sorry if it doesn't sound nice enough.

Actually, it sounds far too nice, evidencing a touching if wholly
implausible concern for the well-being of your neighbor.  Love for all
is cheap love; you may find a detailed explanation of this fact in the
later writings of Freud, if you really find yourself in need of one
after a lifetime of Soviet experiences.

>dl

ciao
mz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: odessa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:25:53 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <9207282300.AA26035@feds66.Prime.COM>  dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner) writes:
> >Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:05:27 GMT
> >From: "Mikhail S. Verbitsky" <verbit@BIRKHOFF.HARVARD.EDU>
> >
> >Writers:
> >Ilya Il'f, Evgenii Petrov, Valentin Kataev, Eduard Bagritsky,
> >Yurii Olesha, (all Jews :)
>
> Are you sure Evgenii Petrov and Valentin Kataev were Jews?
> To the best of my knowledge, they weren't.

Mikhail must have meant Veniamin Kaverin or the 90% angle.
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: PLEASE IGNORE THE TEST!       KOMMYHA,CTPAHA,TPABA.
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:14:03 EDT

CPAKA,CYKA,CPATb,CTAKAH,CCCP,TEMHOTA,XYETA,KPACOTA,KOT B MAPTE,
KOT B MAE, TECT,TECT,TECT.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:6218 talk.religion.misc:12445 talk.philosophy.misc:1435
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.religion.misc,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: PIGS, BROADS, AND OTHERS
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:51:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul21.175150.14029
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9207202017.AA15327@feds66.Prime.COM>
"soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>>Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 03:24:44 GMT

>>From: Michael Zeleny <zeleny@HUSC10.HARVARD.EDU>

MZ:
>>.....
>>As for prayer, I tried it once
>>..... found that I was merely talking to myself.  Personal identity is
>>the very pinnacle of personal relationships with God, don't you agree?

DL:
>Yes, I agree; one of them.

Undoubtedly you realize that superlatives never admit multiple predication.

DL:
>			    Another one is God's personal identity.

That is rather uninteresting, I'm afraid.  The putative identity of the
most perfect being interests me even less than the putative location of the
most perfect island (I trust you are up on your Anselm and Gaunilo);
furthermore, I agree with Aristotle and Spinoza that the feeling must be
mutual.  It follows that the most appropriate attitude to be adopted
towards Christians, as well as other idolaters of a personal deity, is that
of benign contempt, wouldn't you agree?

MZ:
>>"Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial -- notoriously less
>>stable and less inherent than the natures of other things.  And insofar as
>>this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit."

DL:
>Exactly.

How kind of you to agree.

MZ:
>>Harry G. Frankfurt, "On Bullshit"
>>
>>best wishes,

DL:
>You too,

mz