From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Myths About Child Molester Sexual Orientation
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:18:12 GMT
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Originator: kane@buast7.bu.edu

In articles <12607@optilink.UUCP>, Clayton Cramer wrote:
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[References:]
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>Christopher Bagley and Kathleen King, _Child Sexual Abuse: The
>Search for Healing_, (New York, Tavistock/Routledge: 1990).  Bagley
>is Professor of Social Work at the University of Calgary.  Kathleen
>King is a social worker (MSW) in Nova Scotia.

>Kathleen Coulborn Faller, _Child Sexual Abuse: An Interdiscplinary
>Manual for Diagnosis, Case Management, and Treatment_, (New York,
>Columbia University Press: 1988).

>William H. Masters, Virginia E. Johnson, and Robert C. Kolodny,
>_Human Sexuality_, 4th ed., (New York, HarperCollins Publishers Inc.:
>1992).  Masters & Johnson, of course, are too well-known in the field
>of sex research to require introduction.

>Janet Shibley Hyde, _Understanding Human Sexuality_, 4th ed.,
>(New York, McGraw-Hill Co.: 1990).  Hyde is Professor of Psychology
>at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.  The book is about as 
>pro-homosexual as I've ever seen.
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>A great many lies have been told by the homosexual community,
>attempting to cover over the fact that those child molesters
>who are primarily interested in young boys ARE homosexuals --

The evidence for this is not clear at all...I'll cite some studies
that counter this.

>and quite dangerous, because they usually have much larger
>numbers of victims than the sick creatures that go after
>little girls.

This, however, appears quite true. It explains why there are so
few men who molest boys compared to their girl-molesting counterparts.

>While "fixated pedophiles," the homosexuals who pursue primarily
>little boys, are, by most studies, a minority of OFFENDERS, they 
>cause a disproportionate percentage of VICTIMS, because they usually
>have more victims per offender

I'm glad this is finally sinking in, Clayton. This is what I've been saying
all along. You however, until now, have been claiming that homosexuals
are overrepresented among molesters. Now you see that it is the INCIDENCES
that show inflationary numbers.

>Faller describes the pedophile thusly:

    >The perpetrator may have liasons with or even marry adults
    >of the opposite sex, but those sexual relationships will
    >be exceptions to the perpetrator's general sexual pattern
    >and sexual preference.

Groth and Birnbaum [Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7, 175] disagree:

	In their study of 175 male convicted child molesters, they
	concluded that adult homosexuality and attraction to male
	children are different phenomena. "None of these men were
	exclusively homosexual in their relations with adults. They
	were either heterosexual or bisexual in relations with adults
	and reported being attracted to the "feminine" qualities of
	male children."

    >The perpetrators in our sample had all had sexual encounters
    >as children, and there was evidence of a relationship between
    >this childhood experience and sexual abuse as an adult.

No one denies there is a cyclic connection between victimization and
abuse.

    [Abel and Harlow, August 1987 Redbook]
    >The 403 molesters we evaluated had molested more than
    >67,000 children.

    >But we were most surprised by the high number of boys who 
    >were victimized. [...] an average of 282 victims compared
    >to an average of 23 victims among men who assault girls.

Which is why a paucity (underrepresentation) can cause so much damage.

    >in the case of a molester whose victims are little boys, we expect
    >him to be homosexual.  But in our study, we found that most men who 
    >molest little boys are not gay. Only 21 percent of the
    >child molesters we studied who assault little boys were 
    >exclusively homosexual.
    >[Gene G. Abel, M.D., with Nora Harlow, "The Child Abuser:
    >How can you spot him?", _Redbook_, August, 1987, 98]

Point in favor of Groth and Birnbaum.

>the professionals involved in this area agree that a man having sex
>with a boy is homosexual molestation

No. They merely agree to use the term "homosexual" to refer to abuse of
boys by men.

>Let's take the definition of homosexual molestation used by all
>three of the specialized books consulted for this report.  If we
>use Dr. Abel's numbers, then 63% of the most serious offenses
>involve homosexuals or bisexuals -- in which case, they are about
>nine times their proportion in the population.

First of all, we don't KNOW what the proportion of homosexuals in the
population is!

Second, it is 63% of the INCIDENCES, not the molesters. Even if we agree
with your preposterous definition (all boy-molesters are homosexual) we
have to take into account that these guys have about 12 times the damage
as girl molesters (282 to 23 victims on average).

Divide 63% by 12 and you get 5.25%. That is, if you believe that every
single man who molests boys is exclusively homosexual.

>Hyde's book tells us, "Actually, most child molesting is done by
>heterosexual men to little girls; 80 percent of child molesting
>is in that category, and only 20 percent is homosexual (McCaghy,
>1971)."[Hyde, 422]

It is clear what she means here is that it is men molesting boys, not
that the men are homosexual.

[Conclusion:]
>child molesters who prefer little boys are homosexuals, even if closeted;

This has not been substantiated.

Other sources: Goldstein, Seth "The Sexual Exploitation of Children: A
Practical Guide to Assessment, Investigation, and Intervention", Elsevier
Science Publishing, NY, 1987. Goldstein is a forensic investigator for
the Napa Co., CA DA office, specializing in child abuse cases:

p 30 	"FALLACY: Homosexuals molest children.
	"TRUTH: The offender is not [necessarily] homosexual.
	 Pedophilia must be viewed as a completely separate
	 issue from gender and sexual preference."

p 35	"The myth that to be molested by a man will cause a boy to
	 become gay is widespread."
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