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From: at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston)
Subject: Re: Music in ITA
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:45:50 GMT


trudel sez:
Some people have commented on the "poor" music used in In The Army.
For those that don't know, it was a selection written by Raymond
Scott, written in the late 30s or early 40s.  If you listen to his
music, you're realize just how unoriginal Carl Stalling was when he
composed music for the old Bugs Bunny Cartoons.  Most of the good
stuff was borrowed from Scott.

I sez:
Don't dis Carl Stalling. Even though he used lots & lots of R. Scott in his
scores that's no reason to disrespect him. His scores were about half original/
half swiped. He stole from all over the place, and at the pace that he had to
work (scoring a six minute cartoon about every week) he pretty much had to.

Does anyone know where I can get a raymond scott cd, by the way?

-- 
dale houston
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all opinions are mine (natch!)
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From: djr@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Dan Redder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: PowderedToastMan Question
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:54:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.

>
>I don't know if this is the same character you are talking about, but one of
>the people standing in the crowd when PTM is inaugurated is the same person 
>who's picture is hanging beside Stimpy's bed in "In the Army".

The same guy who "works hard for his trash...."
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Subject: Re: SNICK times
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:59:20 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <Bsu3xr.4nG@chinet.chi.il.us>, koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz) writes:
> Isn't Nickelodeon on one of those satellite deals where there is a Nick East
> channel and a Nick West channel so the times can stay somewhat consistent?

Yeah... during some of my tapings of Ren and Stimpy, I got some of those
extremely stupid ads for "Clarissa Explains It All."  The girl who plays
Clarissa is standing in front of a huge map with the time zones marked off...
saying that her show (IMHO, an extremely stupid one) is on at this and this
time, for both Eastern and Pacific... so it looks as if they are...

> I know the movie channels like HBO do it, as well as the networks. 

Actually, I think most of the cable channels do it... it seems kind of silly to
have something air at 8.00 on the East Coast, and 5.00 on the West Coast.  MTV
probably does it too... to an extent.  For example, their show "The Real World"
is on at 10.00 over here, but that would make it go on at 7.00 on the West
Coast, which doesn't make much sense when you think about it.

> Could this be why there's so much confusion?  Obviously 1900 MST is 2100 EST
> (Are we on Standard or Daylight time in the summer?  I always forget...),
> but you don't see the NBC Nightly News at 3:30 p.m. in California...

We're on Daylight time, for those of us who even have it.

> Now I'm really confused.  Good thing I live in the Central zone, where
> TV programs are on at the _correct_ time!

Yeah, but Eastern gets listed first... I mean, you never hear 3.30, 4.30
Eastern in an ad... so THPTH!


Trying to have a good time.

Dan Fielding.

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From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: In the Army
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:33:56 GMT

In <mad-celt.714211075@cwis> mad-celt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Andrew Patrick Booth) writes:
>I thought it was very reminiscent of bootcamp (even though I was in the Navy).
>I laughed as I remembered what I went through.  I think it may be more humorous
>to people who have been through bootcamp.  I think that children would find
>the effects in this episode funny.

My four year old definitely prefers ITA to PTM, though she squeals through both.

>I think that Powdered Toast Man was one of the funniest episodes I've seen.

LEAVE EVERYTHING TO ME!
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Closing music
Keywords: music
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:31:03 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <3361@ra.nrl.navy.mil> drumhell@n5160a.nrl.navy.mil (David Drumheller) writes:
>
>   Does anybody know the title of the music played at the end of Ren
>and Stimpy when they roll the credits?  It's a kind of cheezy rock
>and roll.  I'd love to get a copy of it.
>


The music was written (and maybe performed by) staff members at Spumco
who are musicians.  I doubt that you can find it anywhere but on the
R&S show.




-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
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Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: djr@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Dan Redder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: sunday
Summary: same as above
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:14:22 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.


> Does anyone out there know if the show is still going to be on Sunday 
> mornings as well as SNICK?

Same Joyous Channel, same Joyous Time!
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From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: the new episodes HHJJ!
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:36:41 GMT

In <weYfSJi00WB9M=pK8h@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jeffrey T. Strnad" <js1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>i must say that i generally agree with  the majority here in being disappointed
>with "R&S/Army" and praise of PTM, but i was a bit bothered by the burning of
>the bill of rights and the declaration of independence at the end of PTM.

Uh, I hate to inject a note of seriousness into the group here, but you were
SUPPOSED to be bothered by that.  In the technical jargon of cartooning, this
is known as "sarcasm".

>if not for those documents, R&S would never make the air!!!

And if you want to keep them on the air, just remember that the next time
some politician tells you that you don't REALLY need those pesky old rights,
anyway.
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From: dprice@convex.com (David Price)
Subject: Re: Marmost (Re: Lemon merchant speech?)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:29:16 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


 ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:

>What the heck is a marmoset??

It's a small, chihuahua-sized monkey that likes to hop around in
trees.  When Ren is saying that line, he looks a little like a
marmoset.
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From: at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston)
Subject: Re: The President
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:30:29 GMT


Someone mentioned that 'The President' in 'PTM' looked a lot like
Dan Quayle. Alas it can't be Dan Quayle because he has nothing to get caught
in his zipper.

Aside from that, I though both cartoons were purty good, with PTM being the
best of the two. It reminded me alot of one of the 'Bat-Bat' segments on the
Bakshi/John K. Mighty Mouses. With much better animation. 

'Stimpys Inventions' is still my fave, though. Best damn cartoon since 1957.


dale

(mig .signature might follow)

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From: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
Subject: "In the Army": spoilers!
Reply-To: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:16:58 GMT



Excerpted from the article "Saturday Night's All Right" by Bob
Langford in The (Raleigh, NC) News and Observer, 8/12/92:

SPOILERS


  Only the first half of Saturday's [Ren & Stimpy] show was ready in
 time to be screened.  The other segment won't be done till a couple
 days before airing....

  Saturday's episode probably won't convert the unconverted.  If
 you're among the easily outraged, this one will outrage you.

  "In the Army" includes:  Stimpy picking his nose, Ren getting beaten
 up by the seargeant's tongue, Stimpy peeling his nose instead of a
 potato, Stimpy crying till his eyeballs come out of his head, the 
 usual references to insanity, Stimpy getting an ax in the head.  And 
 it ends with them singing "America the Beautiful" while they fall from
 a plane in a flaming tank.


Sounds wonderful!  HHJJ, y'all...

                                        -Boeky
 
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From: ddebry@itchy.dsd.es.com (David DeBry)
Subject: The President
Description: Tall, skinny, kinda goofy looking
Uucp: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!ddebry 
Reply-To: David DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> 
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Design Systems Division 
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:45:39 GMT
Irc: Z-Grue (Zorkian Grue) 
Detailed-Info: finger ddebry@cc.utah.edu 
Day-Phone: (801) 582-5847 x4721 
Internet: ddebry@dsd.es.com 

	On reflection, the president looked a lot like Bill Clinton.
Or maybe a whole lot more like Bill than Bush?  Could SpumCo be
hinting at something?

	Will we eventually have to move this thread to talk.politics?

	(Of course, the president also looked a whole lot like JFK.
Hmmm...)


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From: shf@well.sf.ca.us (Stuart H. Ferguson)
Subject: Re: PowderedToastMan Question
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:26:25 GMT

In <djr.21.0@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu> djr@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Dan Redder) writes:
|>who's picture is hanging beside Stimpy's bed in "In the Army".
|The same guy who "works hard for his trash...."

I beg to differ. (PuhlEEEZe, Ren!)  The picture beside the bed "In the Army"
was "Herr President" from "Black Hole."
-- 
		Stuart Ferguson		(shf@well.sf.ca.us)
			Prepare to Surge to Sublight Speed!
From: steve@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Steve Stuart)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: but..do any kids watch ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:30:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University

kfj@bernie.sal.wisc.edu (Karen Frances) writes:

   ... So as far as the first episode of the new season,
   "No sir, I don't like it".  It was below par in that it
   lacked the needed interaction between R&S.  It also lacked
   the usual juxtaposted classical musical score.

Exactly!  They barely said anything to each other for the first few
minutes, and their dialogue was pretty lackluster for the rest of the
episode.  I missed the classical music too.  Whatever it was they used
instead just didn't cut it.  Mainly the fact that there were lyrics
was annoying.  I noticed that this episode (In The Army) was both
written and directed by Bob Camp, instead of John K. - could this be
why this episode "felt" so different?  It was slow-paced and boring
compared to the rest.

-Steve


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From: a-rosen@nwu.edu (Audrey A. Rosen)
Subject: Classical music in "Space Madness"?
Followup-To: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Organization: Academic Computing and Network Services, Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:02:08 GMT

To any and all R&S fans who are also classical music buffs (or are at
least somewhat knowledgeable of classical music)...

Could someone let me know what classical pieces are used in "Space
Madness"?
No reason other than pure curiosity (and the desire to show off in front
of unsuspecting guests... ;-)

Thanks!!
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Subject: Review:  R+S, 22.8.92
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:50:03 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Oh, boy... this week's installment of Ren and Stimpy was good... for a while...
but, bit by bit, it looked something like this:

"Ren's Toothache"
Just short of a classic... For awhile, it looked as if Ren and Stimpy really
HAD gone mainstream, with the way Stimpy was promoting toothbrushing.  But, as
has been shown before, give John K. a few minutes and he can make a bad thing
worse... in this case, Ren lost his teeth.  The best physical humour moment of
the show was while Ren was sleeping... grating his teeth together, and spitting
(I guess... what would YOU call it?) particles of tooth out with each snore. 
The tooth beaver was also quite funny, as were the flies around Stimpy's
litterbox.  Stimpy's noises while he was brushing his teeth, though, were the
funniest things about the episode.  IMHO, Ren looked great with Stimpy's tooth,
and Stimpy had $300 coming... This episode had its moments, but it's doomed to
end up as an also-ran in the overall scheme of R+S things.
Rating: ** 1/2

[commercial break]

"Suger Frosted Milk"
A COMMERCIAL!  In a season where there weren't supposed to BE any!  OH JOY! 
Well... not quite.  This one fell short... it wasn't really that funny... and I
got confused by the whole "lumps" thing.
Rating: **

"Ask Dr. Stupid:  What's That Thing In My Beans?"
ANOTHER COMMERCIAL?!?!?!?  Hmmm... seems like to no-commercial dictum lasted
only two weeks, unless these were leftovers from last season.  This Dr. Stupid,
though, is not quite as funny as "Why School?", and only slightly funnier than
"Camel Humps."  The look on his face as he sinks into the tar pits, though, was
IMHO hilarious.
Rating: ** 1/2

"Big House Blues"
They must really have been behind the 8-ball to get this episode on the air. 
This was, of course, the edited version of BHB... and is it just me, or does
this particular episode get less and less funny with each viewing?
Rating: none, because I've got it on tape already...

"Log For Girls"
And yet another replay from last season... I was wondering if they'd replay
anything again...
Rating: *, but only for hearing the Log song again.


Respond at will, but no flames, please.


Dan Fielding, Stud-at-large.

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From: hameluck@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Jeff Hameluck)
Subject: Re: Ren 'n' Stimpy on Canadian Television (Much Music
Reply-To: hameluck@mercury.uregina.ca (Jeff Hameluck)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.160418.3608@arizona.edu> wallin@hep1.physics.arizona.edu (Tripp Wallin) writes:
>I always thought Spumco was based in Los Angeles. I mean thats where all the writing for
>Ren and Stimpy is done. Thats where all the voice overs are done and the actual final product
>is completed. Hmmmmm.....and I seem to remember seeing an interview and studio tour of Spumco's
>studios on Enterntainment Tonight (ick.....I wonder if Mary Hart is made of plastic?) and they
>showed people drawing the cartoon in the Spumco studios in L.A. Not to flame canada but I think
>Ren & Stimpy are a U.S.A. product not Canadian product. Sorry......
>
>Tripp Wallin
>Physics and Math Undergraduate
>wallin@hep1.physics.arizona.edu

Well I've never seen Ren 'n' Stimpy except for what was on the news feature but
Spumco was never mentioned, Karbunkle Cartoons was however.  They said that
Karbunkle has been nominated for an Emmy for Ren 'n' Stimpy not Spumco and that
Ren 'n' Stimpy is a Karbunkle Cartoon product.  As I stated in my original post
the animation is done in Vancouver, the colouring and voice overs are done in
LA.  Not to flame Americans but I think they have trouble accepting the fact
that something they like isn't 100% American :)  Vancouver isn't a part of the
U.S., well at least not yet :)  Also I think the CBC is a little more reputable
of a news source than Entertainment Tonight which as far as I can tell is     
entirely fluff.  The creators of Ren 'n' Stimpy ARE Canadian, the operation
in Vancouver isn't just an animation mill like the Korean mills that pump out
the Simpsons from what I saw the Canadian studio, Karbunkle is the creative
side, the LA part is the mill which does the final work.  Of course I could
be wrong but I doubt it.  I just thought I'd post that Ren 'n' Stimpy are
going to be shown in Canada finally and found it ironic, as did the news story
that the creative part and a lot of the work that goes into Ren 'n' Stimpy is
Canadian.  I didn't expect to get this kind of reaction.  I never claimed it
was 100% Canadian but the other poster claimed that it was a U.S.A. product
and not Canadian and he can't be farther from the truth.  But no matter where
it is made it's still funny.

Jeff Hameluck
University of Regina
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada


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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: New Episodes NEWS!
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:27:40 GMT

Hi folks, got this info off of CompuServe.

The new working title of the Christmas special is now "Stimpy's First Trouser
Cough"....Nickolodeon decided that the word 'Fart' was simply a bit too much. I
just returned from Spumco where John K. threw a screening party for the new
episodes of Ren and Stimpy. The two that will air this Saturday were shown ('In
The Army' and 'Powdered Toast Man') in their entirety...it should be
interesting to see if anything will be edited out. As a special treat, 'Man's
Best Friend' was also shown... it is the episode that Nickolodeon refuses to
play on the air. Mtv may air it, but nothing is definate. This is a shame,
because 'Man's Best Friend' is right up there with 'Stimpy's Invention'...it
was just plain, outright funny. Manic, outrageous, sick...everything we've come
to know and love about Ren and Stimpy :) I do hope Mtv decides to air this
episode, because hardcore Ren and Stimpy fans must _NOT_ miss it.


George Cifrancis III
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Re: Powdered Toast Man's Lovely Assistant
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:29:41 GMT

I beleive she called PTM "father" because in his alter ego he is a
deacon/priest.  It's the whole Catholic thing babe.

My heart is still full of blood,
-John-
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: buttocks, pontiff
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.200710.9892@reed.edu> tboyd@reed.edu (Toby Boyd) writes:
>  If I'm not very much mistaken, Frank was the voice of His Holiness,
>the buttock-seizing Pope. By-the-by, does anyone know why Spumco
>switched to the 'two-rather-longwinded-segments-per-show' format?
>
> - TB (tboyd@reed.edu)

  Because the tiny segments a la "Dr.Stupid"/"Log"/etc. take nearly just
  as long to make as the full episodes.  And considering how little time
  the fellows at Spumco had to make all these episodes, they had to scrap
  them, so don't expect any in future episodes.

  Though I WOULD have liked to see "MALIBU LOG"!           K!z!K
From: jeff@godzilla.quotron.com (Jeff Marder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ren-n-stimpy,alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Lyrics to Log Song Needed For Talent Show!!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:53:37 GMT
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.

our site cannot access the FAQ file where this is contained.  please
email the lyrics to me.  thanks so much.  my daughter and i really
appreciate this!!!


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From: trav@wixer.cactus.org (traveller)
Subject: Re: Expression used by PTM
Keywords: music
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:48:05 GMT

In article <1815@celia.UUCP> celia!peter@usc.edu (Peter Farson) writes:
>
>  In the Powdered Toast Man episode, just as he flies into Antarctica, he
>splats head first into the snow.  Then he quickly snaps up to the window.
>As he does this, he says, "Alley-oop".  I'm very curious about the origin
>of this expression, and the spelling (if there is any standardized spelling
>for it).
>
>  Anybody know (besides Dr. Stupid)?

i've heard this expression all my life, maybe it's a yankee thing <and
yes, i've been rescued by a move to texas> but i think it comes from the
old <ancient> comic strip by the same name, about a cave man. there was
also a song about the comic in like the 50s..all i remember of that was
the chorus "alley-oop...alley-oop-oop, alley-op!"
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From: dpotts@sw.stratus.com (David Potts)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.la-law
Subject: Re: Benny
Keywords: Benny, horror, giggles
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:25:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

The part of Benny is played by Larry Drake.  He was also the lead "heavy" in
the movie "Darkman".

IMHO, Drake's portrayal of Benny is as good as acting gets.  I think that the
character development involving Benny, over the years, has been exceptional.
It seemed to me, this past season, as if there was much less attention paid
to Benny's character, except for the series of episodes dealing with his
custody of Sam.  I really think that the writers could do more with this
character.
From: davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.tv.la-law
Subject: Interesting note about tonight's rerun....
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:03:39 GMT


Unlike many other episodes of LA Law, tonight's rerun episode
did not provide any continuity with other episodes!  In fact,
someone watching tonight's episode wouldn't even think that the
show was a serial!!

The basic story lines were
  - the DA who was molested as a girl
  - Johnathan's parents meeting Zoe
  - Leland's arbitration case

None of the stories here advanced any "plot", nor did they provide
any character development that will be referenced in later episodes.....

....anybody notice this about other episodes?


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