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From: clee2@cc.swarthmore.edu (C. Suk Jae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was:Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:52:40 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1992Nov11.210725.4787@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov11.142536.29862@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu
> (Yazmasterj) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov11.060212.12389@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> >underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) went on about...
> > >(Again, allow me to reiterate that Mr. Wei's comments are typical of 
> > >Chinese-cu people.  Don't be fooled by the pleasantries on "Chinese-cu 
> > >Culture Day"
> > >at your local community center; the real Chinese-cu culture bears _no_
> > >resemblance that.)
> >While I am also greatly disturbed by the comments concerning Blacks and the
> >Democrat party, etc. expressed by Mr. Wei, a similar attack on Chinese
> >culture is not IMO a good refutation of his arguments.  As long as we feel
> >the need to generalize and stereotype people, prejudices will remain our
> >midst.
> >Please don't attack one culture or people to defend another.  
> 
>There is an important difference between my comments and Mr. Danielle
>T. Wei (dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu)'s comments.  Mr. Wei's comments directly
>attack the people, specifically African-Americans.  On the other
>hand, I am criticizing culture.
> 
> Culture != People.  (-ge = ethnicity (i.e. genetics), -cu = culture).
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

Terminology aside, I believe that Mr. Dwight Joe cannot be more wrong.  How
can one separate the "culture" from the "person"?  Culture is a significant
part of the person that cannot be separated so easily, just like ethnicity,
class, gender, etc. (all of which, by the way, make up the culture in the
first place).  Also, why does culture have to be such a static thing (as it
is so meticulously described by Mr. Dwight Joe)?  At least to me, culture
is dynamic and continually changes, and I do not think there is such a
thing as this monolithic "Chinese culture," to which Mr. Dwight Joe
continuously refers, just like there is no such thing as a monolithic
"American culture."

No offense intended, but in my opinion, Mr. Dwight Joe is sidestepping the
issue with his terminology and by his continuous insistence that he is only
criticizing "Chinese-cu" and not "Chinese-ge."

'Nuff talk.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: servant@cheshire.oxy.edu (Jedidiah Jon Palosaari)
Subject: Birthdays and chinese calendar
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:59:02 GMT

Hi.  I have a friend born in Vietnam, who does not know her birthday in
the western calendar because her birth certificate was filed late.  Could
anyone help me out?  She was born in the 10th month, 16th day of 1972, 
Chinese calendar, and I need to know the equivalent of that day on the
western calendar.  Please reply via email.  Thanks!
From: bshieh@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Shieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian American Studies Paper
Keywords: Thanks
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:55:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


    I'm handing in my Asian American Studies paper today.  Just wanted to 
thank all who responded to my earlier post requesting input.  I really needed
it and I really appreciate it.
    I'm afraid though that I didn't do a very good job on the paper.  A whole
bunch of problem sets and midterms got in the way the past couple of weeks. I
was kinda using the paper as a break from all my technical courses.
    Thanks again though. I would have been a dead man without your help.

-Ben Shieh
bshieh@cory.berkeley.edu

P.S.  Go Bears!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.154205.24942@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.142536.29862@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:

>>While I am also greatly disturbed by the comments concerning Blacks and the
>>Democrat party, etc. expressed by Mr. Wei, a similar attack on Chinese
>>culture is not IMO a good refutation of his arguments.  As long as we feel
>>the need to generalize and stereotype people, prejudices will remain our
>>midst.

>>Please don't attack one culture or people to defend another.  

>I think there is a widespread misunderstanding that any kind of talk
>about "typical" is morally wrong.  It seems to be an empirical question
>whether Chinese-Americans (or any other group) harbor more racist
>sentiments as a group than other groups.  For example, statistical
>studies of racial attitudes may in fact indicate that a given group
>harbors more racist notions than some other groups.  This does not
>mean that a particular member of that group harbors those views,
>but there seems to be nothing wrong in prima facie claims that Chinese
>as a group have racist feelings towards blacks.  It might or might not
>be true, so the argument should be about whether it is true or not,
>not that very raising of such issues is intrinsically wrong.  

     Fine.  The problem is, Dwight Joe has made these claims before, and
has repeatedly been challenged to produce any such empirical data.  He
has consistently failed to do so.  While Dwight Joe may be entitled to
speak as he will under free speech principles, the rest of us are likewise
entitled to attack his positions as racist, hatred-based demagoguery.

>The real issue is what to make of such average group behaviors, and
>how to use the information re. them.  For example, if it is in fact
>true that incidence of racist anti-black feelings are high among
>Chinese-Americans, then we can institute consciousness-raising programs.

     Mr. Chandrasekaran, your oh so academic objection seems to have
convicted Chinese-Americans in absentia.  I find such behavior irresponsible,
at best.  Please convince me it's just a poor choice of wording.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Kanji 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:10:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.184320.4440@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jen.Shum@launchpad.unc.edu (Jen Shum) writes:
>[about Kanji deleted]

Nice explanation, but wouldnt this topic be better posted on
sci.lang.japan or alt.chinese.txt   Dont take this as a flame, But 
I really dont see what the history of Kanji as it relates to 
Japanese culture has to do with Asian American issues. 
Unless of course you are advocating, asian americans should or
shouldnt learn it.
From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:16:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <lgib28INN86q@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>,
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me) writes:
>
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
>	> Numerous twits, including Mr. Pan, had been trying to play 
>	> e-mail games with me.  I reported all the activity to either 
>	> the postmaster of the offending site or the administrator of 
>	> my site.  This is not a joke. (I suspect that Ms. Cheung is 
>	> aware of this, since she has never once sent me e-mail despite 
>	> her gaming attitude on s.c.a.a.)
>
>Oh Puh-leeze. The reason I've never sent you email is because there
>isn't anything I can say to you that I can't say to everyone in this
>newsgroup.
>
>
>	Melinda

From what I've been seeing, it sounds like DJ needs to see a shrink.
If you're really that paranoid, you need professional help.  Besides,
your over-bloated ego could use some deflating.

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shape, form, color, texture, taste, smell, feel, etc., etc., ad nausea.
From: jj@alice.att.com (alice!jj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:10:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24230
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

jpak:
>In article <24222@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:

>>As I've said before,  I propose that we all IGNORE the
>>Dwight-guay, and maybe he'll just go'way.

>Hmm, perhaps this is easier said than done?  :-) :-)
Yeah.  Somehow when he gets the word "game" into his
ridiculous racist rantings it's hard to ignore.  One might
almost suggest that he's very, very, VERY pro-Chinese-cu,
and that he uses his pulpit to prove the existance of
discrimination.

>However, I gotta ask you a question.  What do you think about the issue of
>spanking children as a means of disciplining them?  :-) :-) :-)
Me? I'm a non-spanking person.  I just stand for stating people's
positions correctly.  I gather you're a lurker in misc.kids?

I suspect that given a different child, I might have a different
opinion.  Yes, we are all individuals!  <I'm not!>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:08:03 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu

johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.030305.3564@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>| In article <BxvLMz.EF8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>| 
>| >A QUALIFIED Asian is far more likely to be turned down for admission to 
>| >a university than a far less qualified black, or even than a somewhat less
>| >qualified white.  The same holds for jobs.


First of all, the above statement is FALSE. It may be true at a handful of institutions,
say Berkeley. But it is not generally true. Stop trying to start a war between asians 
and blacks.  In fact, far more "qualified" asians are passed over for "lesser qualified"
whites than blacks. 

>by skin color as racists.  A woman who has spent her first
>10 years in a Thai refugee camp had endured more hardship than
>a black american will ever know.  

Oh please. That statement definitely belongs in the crap bowl. Have you
actually measured the hardship of the Thai refugee and compared to the
most downtrodden black in America? If not, stick to the facts and logical
argument.


>That such a woman, scoreing
>significantly higher should be displaced by the daughter of
>a lawyer and a professional educator because she is black
>and the first child is asian is merely one of the travisties
>of justice that is affirmitive action.

Fine. But it is MUCH MORE likely that she was displaced by the son
of a white lawyer and professional educator. Why do you think
Berkely started giving more credit to extracurricular activities? Because
the campus was definitely taking on a distressing hue.

>Indeed it does.  If there can be no 'under-representation' then
>there can be no 'over-representation'.  Thus, the most gifted
>and successful, often the victims of grave difficulties, are
>sacrificed to the black middle class.

I can no longer STAND this non-sense. Will you PLEASE provide some data
on the number of "gifted" asian-americans who could not get accepted at
any prestigious university in the country? If you can also trace those
instances to specific cases of being passed over for a member of the 
black middle class, it would be appreciated. Just one would do.

>-- 
>-------------------------
>My comments are my own.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thank God for that. I'd hate to think it was a conspiracy to spread
such malicious misinformation.

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinese-American Relations (Was: Re: More Money than Votes)
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:55:05 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.024929.2742@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <BxGzp7.IFv@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>>Personally, as a Chinese, I believe Bush will be more beneficial to us than
>>Clinton because Bush will probably maintain a better relationship with China
>>than Clinton.. People often ask me "but you're in America, what do you care
>>about China?" This is true in a sense, but look at the Japanese-Americans
>>during WWII.. The truth is: the U.S. must pay respect to your homeland if
>>you want to live happily in the U.S.A.
>
>     Really?  I believe Clinton will be more beneficial to the Chinese
>people *as a whole*, at least if he pursues a cold war policy with China
>like the one which brought the Soviet Union to it's demise.  Bush has
>always struck me as too lenient and cozy with the Chinese government from
>his days as an ambassador.  I think a cold war policy will bring democacratic
>values to China a whole lot faster than Deng's reforms.  I little pain now
>will make for a whole lot better future.
>
USSR's breakdown is the biggest failure of this century.  People
resulted living in poverty, requiring billions of aids from other
countries.  When people have nothing to eat, do you still want
to talk about democracy.  On the contrary, in recent years.  China's
reforms have brought big economic progress to the whole country and
this would be the momentum for democracy in later years.
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:29:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: jethro.lgg86nINN6gh
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> on them.  Most people didn't do that.  They just rushed out 
	> of the building to have some free food the court yard.  Like I 
	> said, the display was rather pitiful, and most people didn't 
	> even bother to look at the paintings.
	> They would have been more effectively displayed at a real 
	> commemoration of the internment, but like I said, no 
	> commemorations have been held this year.

It doesn't seem like it was a total waste since you stopped by to appreciate
their work. I'm sure people probably wandered back in after they got their
food.

	> How would Mr. Kawakami know what my "original" roots are?  I've 
	> never met him, and he's never met me.

Well, there have been at least two posts in this newsgroup from people
who say they know you or at least knows your brother. Whether you confirm
or deny it, makes no difference to me right now as I'm only letting you
know where other people may have gotten their information about you. 

	> Actually, unless someone is looking to buy Japanese foodstuffs, 
	> he/she should not buy from Yaohan.  Yaohan goods are very 
	> expensive compared to Lucky or Safeway.

Naaah, neither Lucky or Safeway have the variety or the quality of produce
and seafood that Yaohan has.

	> Besides Japanese food, there used to be a little slice of 
	> Kinokuniya at Yaohan, but I guess that business must have been 
	> bad 'coz the book section has been dismantled.  

As a matter of fact, the bookstore was doing soooo much business that
they've had to move out of Yaohan and into the store space right next door!
They've expanded and is much larger now.

 	> So now, the 
        > only reason to shop at Yaohan is to buy green tea or something 
        > like that.

No way! There are lots of reasons: fresh sushi, broiled eel, fresh octopus
and other seafood, an entire section devoted to pickled anything, manju,
etc. Yes, the prices are a little bit more expensive but you're paying
for excellent quality you won't find at pitiful stores like Safeway
or Lucky.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: FACE magazine
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:02:44 GMT

In article <1e44dkINNmac@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>She who wears gaudy white pearls wrapped around her neck wrapped around in 5
>lay
>ers, plastic-perm  1960s mainstream hairdo, brass pseudo-Black earrings,
>painted face like some air-brushed Amerasian nightmare.

Who's that? Tammy Faye Baker?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.051915.8473@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>I've never met Mr. Wu and have never revealed virtually nothing about
>my background on this network.  Or does Mr. Wu, like many other Chinese-cu,
>claim to be endowed with the ability to read minds?

> [ . . . ]

>Yes, Chinese-cu people do things like that, I suppose.

     I've pointed out this error to Dwight Joe previously.  I'm an American,
in every sense of the word.  I make this point because I'm not a member of
the culture Dwight Joe so vociferously attacks, and therefore I'm more prone
to be unbiased than a member of said group.  I attack Dwight for his opinions
not because I feel personally attacked, but because I feel his opinions run
counter to the basic beliefs and ethics of America.

     Perhaps, Dwight, you've shown your true colors and forgotten your own
distinction between Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge.  (I am a member of the latter
group, as my name implies.)

     Let it not be said I'm ashamed of my genes and afraid to reveal *facts*
about my heritage.  Far be it for me to claim, in a fit of delusional
paranoia, invasion of privacy when such *facts* are revealed.

							George


-- 
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Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: rejecting your heritage
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:36:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.210250.18791@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Along ethnic lines?
>
>So, let's see what this means; let's instantiate this proposition
>by picking 1 particular group, say Chinese-ge (-ge = one who is ethnically).
>So, those last 3 lines will read:
>
>  But when times get scarce, Chinese-ge will band together.
>  Usually along family, religious and ethnic lines.
>  Chinese-ge will help each other get jobs, shelter, food and dates.
>
>Wow.  That sounds like they are giving priority to those of a given
>ethnicity; Korean-Americans in trouble only get the crumbs from the
>Chinese-ge table.
>
>> And where will the loner be, when everyone else is desperately
>> trying to help themselves ?
>
>A world where people band together like this is not a world of
>which I want to be a part.
>
>Fortunately, the world does not yet operate in the way that Mr. Moon
>asserts; at least, Japanese-Americans are clearly willing to help those
>who are not Japanese-ge.

So what's the point, Dwight Joe?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: brymastr@eng.umd.edu (Bryan Lee)
Subject: Re: Amerasian (was Miscegenation....) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:58:29 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of MD, College Park

In article <1992Nov23.174543.10097@cs.ucla.edu> yoshio@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Yoshio Turner) writes:
>wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew) writes:
>>During the 1939s or 1940s was there a law which prevented marriage between
>>Chinese and Caucasians in California? If so, would the law have applied to
>>an Amerasian?
>
>What is an "Amerasian" ?

I hope it means something like "Asian-American" as opposed to someone
who is part Asian, part white.  If it's the latter, then it implies
that "American" doesn't include Asians.
-Bryan
From: august@sachsen.uni-dresden.de (Hr. Friedrich August, Kurfuerst von Sachsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:43:39 GMT
Organization: Elector of Saxony Estates GmbH (Government of Germany Enterprise)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: august@sachsen.uni-dresden.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com

Hello Netters,

Is there a way to find out the listings for these so-called
mail-order brides? I am a German businessman. I will go to
Thailand next year for the vacations and am looking for a
patient, educated woman of Asian birth. She will be treated
with utmost respect.

I am not rich by western standards but am the heir to considerable
land in the former German Democratic Republic (E. Germany). 

I am 23, blond hair, blue eyes, 180 cm tall, 72 kg weight
(I am looking like Emilio Estevez from USA say my friends at least!)

I live in a modest but comfortable estate in the German 
countryside. (10 rooms, 2 autos, plenty of livestocks,
no servants)

Na gut Tschuess!

-August




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american