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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:31:00 CDT
From:         "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." <HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Gay Characteristics

<    Misc quotes from AIDS: Facts without Fiction. These deal with the
<mind set and various characteristics of the homosexual culture as a whole.
<Most of this is taken from the Bible and allows for a comparison to groups
<like NAMBLA, etc. THIS IS NOT TO CHARACTERIZE ALL HOMOSEXUALS! Okay?

No, it's not OK.  You cannot stereotype and then get out of it by saying that
you aren't characterizing all people you have just sterotyped.  Furthermore,
NAMBLA is not representative of Gay culture, or even Gay Male culture, as a
whole.

<    I post this in response to those that have talked about homosexuals
<holding responsible positions while in the midst of things that might cause
<them a temptation. Perhaps, MANY are not tempted, but how do you tell them
<from those that are. Even heterosexual people have been known, as in some
<of the Day Care scandals, to molest children on a grand scale. Anyhow, the
<article says it better than I can.

How do you tell the heterosexuals who will molest from those who won't?

<    Why cite this example? To show that Sodom and Gomorrha should have had
<every reason to be grateful to Abraham and Lot, but they were not.

And this was the sin of Sodom.  Check out Ezekiel.

<When God
<(the God of Abraham) decided to send his envoys to Sodom to get further
<first-hand information about matters in Sodom,

Speaking of which, why does an omniscient being need to do research?

<the envoys spent the night
<at Lot's house. But when the men of Sodom found that out, they besieged
<Lot's house and threatened to break in the doors. They demanded the envoys
<as prisoners so that they could rape the men homosexually.

Read an analysis of the passage.  That the mob wanted to rape the envoys is not
clear, and not supported by other scripture.

<Lot instead offered them his own two daughters for the night!

And this is a man the Biblical God calls righteous!

<Apparently, the Lot
<family had absorbed a little bit too much of the sodomic culture! The men of
<Sodom rejected the offer and again set about breaking in the doors of Lot's
<house. The divine envoys then struck them with blindness so that they
<searched for the doors in vain. But the Sodomites were certainly violently
<and unjustifiably aggressive when they ought to have been grateful to Lot.
<
<    We conclude that the homosexual Sodomites did not feel in the least
<obligated towards Abraham and his family, including Lot, although without
<them they all would have been the slaves of King Chedorlaomer. Secondly,
<they were in no way thankful. On the contrary, they were violent to a
<degree. Their homosexuality was indeed a strong passion resulting in
<aggressiveness of the most shameless sort -- they insisted on raping Divine
<envoys and in preference to the opposite human sex!

You'd have been happier if they gang-raped the two virgin girls?!?

<    During the course of lecturing at various European universities, I have
<had the opportunity of observing situations in some feeble ways similar to
<the ones reported on in this biblical story. In some lectures, I have
<spoken about the medical aspects of AIDS. Groups of homosexuals and
<feminists have often attended. When some medical facts are not as they
<would like them, these people often start cacophonies with whistles, flutes
<and other instruments. This noise often makes continuation of the lecture
<impossible. One of my colleagues once tried for 1 1/2 hours to speak about
<abortion in a Northern German university. In vain. Every time it was
<mentioned that in the west AIDS was transmitted mainly by homosexuality,
<there was deafening cacophony in the lecture hall -- whistles, trumpet
<blowing, etc. What an expression of blind aggressiveness!

Firstly, your statement is demonstrably false from looking at world AIDS
statistics.  In most places, HIV is transmitted by *heterosexual* intercourse.

Secondly, most feminists are heterosexual.  This would tend to refute your
notion that homosexuality leads to aggressiveness.  One would posit as a
counter-example that oppression leads to aggressiveness when the oppresses
refuses to remain in that role.

Dan