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From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:12:39 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Sep29.054216.19866@unixg.ubc.ca> koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto) writes:
>Advanced: Skiing on difficult (diamond) terrain, parallel turns, 
>step turns.

>Expert : Skiing on outrageous terrain. Competitive skiing.

Outrageous to whom?  Maybe change it to...

  Expert recreational: Able to ski on any marked trail, and in any snow
  conditions, _well_.

...and add...

  Racer: competitive racer.  This to the side of "expert", rather than
  following on from it.

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
I'm a masochist -- I like a cold shower in the morning, so I take a hot one.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:28:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh) writes:
> 
> advantages about skiing is that it is fun from the very beginning
> (unlike e.g. tennis...). AND DON'T SPOIL THIS! -- I'm trying to
> persuade my boyfriend to come with me this winter... on his first
> skiing holiday.
> 
> 'gork
> --
>  

   A friendly suggestion.  On his first day, make sure the weather is good,
and don't try to push him to hard.  Be *very* supportive, and don't critize
much.  Words like "That's great!, but try this next" work well.  
Make sure his boots don't hurt his feet. 

Good luck!

Keith
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: boot fitter in Denver
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:54:23 GMT

I'm limiting distribution of this posting to Colorado.

I've been told that there's a good bootfitter in Denver;
the name that comes to mind is "The Boot Doctor" or something
like that, but I can't find them in the phone book.  

What I want is a place that will measure my foot and tell me what ski
boots are made that best fit my foot, and then provide fitting
services after that point. [From what I remember, these places often
don't sell boots themselves] I have a pair of Nordicas which I got at
the Sniagrab 4 or 5 years ago, and last year I realized that spending
some real $$$ on good boots was the next major ski purchase I should
make.

Email me and I'll followup to the net.

Thanks,

      Andy
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:02:35 GMT
	<1992Sep25.110819@is.morgan.com>
	<1992Sep29.235940.19690@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
	<1992Sep30.102330@is.morgan.com>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 14:23:30 GMT, sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) said:

S> I didn't realize Look had upward release for 7 years now. 
S> I don't mean "somewhat-upward" releases supported in most older bindings,
S> but the current trend of having the toe flip out completely out of 
S> the way.  There are definitely falls in which there is substantial
S> upward component, but if your binding didn't have the flip-out toe,
S> wouldn't it release anyway ? 
S> Anyway, I find it rather hard to believe that such feature adds nothing to 
S> the complexity of the design. Besides, if it doesn't, why is it then so 
S> much more expensive ?

That's one of the nice things about Look engineers:  They do a good job of
finding the simple solutions.  The Look toepiece is a ball-in-socket design,
and the shape of the cam in the socket determines the release characteristics.

S> The fundamental  problem is that this industry, BS-ridden like
S> many others,  has no independ publication to keep it in check, and it 
S> shows. It is impossible to tell the difference between the manufacturers'
S> advertisements and magazin's own articles in SKI or SKIING.

Actually, there is one.  I'll see if I can find my copy of it...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Help me put together FAQ sections on x-c
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:44:32 GMT

I made the mistake of complaining to Glen Baker about the FAQ's
information on cross-country ski equipment, and promptly got appointed
to rewrite those sections.  So I need a little help:

1) Can someone tell me about cable bindings and randonee bindings?
Are they the same or different?  (I know that randonee bindings allow
fixed-heel skiing.)

2) Does Salomon still make a boot/binding system analagous to (but
different from) NNN?  Are there any other non-threepin, non-NNN binding
systems on the market?

3) Are skating skis basically like track skis but shorter and stiffer,
or are there other differences I'm not aware of?  Are skating skis 
usually waxable or waxless?  What kind of binding is typically used
(3-pin or other)?

4) I have put information about the following types of skis in the
FAQ:  track, skating, backcountry, telemark, and mountaineering.
If I have left any new hi-tech stuff out, let me know.

Please email rather than posting.  The equipment FAQ will probably get
posted again in another couple of weeks.

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      \______________________________________________________________________
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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: Need info on Northern Colorado ski areas - day trips from Longmont
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:52:24 GMT

In article <5591@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com> brenda@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Brenda L Aldridge) writes:
>Hi,
>
>My mother lives in Longmont, CO, and I am contemplating spending
>Christmas vacation there.  I took my first year of ski lessons last
>year, but will be traveling with an advanced skier.  I know that Loveland
>and Estes Park are near Longmont, but know nothing about the ski areas
>there.
>
>I'd be interested in any information on ski areas within day trip range
>of Longmont, lift prices, and whether they would be good for both
>beginning and advanced skiers.
>
>Thanks
>

Loveland, CO is near Longmont.  Loveland SKI AREA is not; it's
probably about a 1 1/2 - 2 hour drive up into the mountains. (Loveland
Ski Area is right where I-70 goes through the tunnel under the divide)

A friend of mine tells a story of some out of state visitors who
wanted to ski Loveland; they asked the waitress at the diner where
they had breakfast how to get to Loveland; and the drove to the city
of Loveland.  They wondered why they were heading away from the
mountains, but kept seeing signs to "Loveland".

Estes Park is about an hour from Longmont; but the only ski area there
is closed forever.

The closest ski area to Longmont is Eldora, about 40 minutes from
Boulder up CO 119.  After that, you're just dealing with all the I-70
proximal ski areas, Winter Park, Loveland, and the Dillon areas
(Keystone, Breckenridge, Copper, A Basin).  All of these make for an
OK day trip skiing.  Stay away from Eldora on the weekend, if the snow
is good and the weather is nice, it can get pretty busy there.

Andy

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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: moving to New Mexico
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:19:18 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Sep29.085729.2300@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes:

   ... excellent description of NM ski areas 

You forgot to add that Pajarito (the Los Alamos ski area) is *only* 
open on weekends, Wednesdays, and Federal holidays. 

>So there you have it.  Also "nearby" is Purgatory, near Durango CO.  Some
>people I know love it, but personally I find it kinda wierd.  Lot's of
>flat stuff (although The Legends are neat!)

Purgatory is a bit far for a day trip from Santa Fe.  

Telluride is also within range, but now you are talking about a 4-hour 
drive, including a pass that can be difficult at times.  Plus, the 
trip to Telluride is more direct and easier from ABQ (via Bernalillo 
and Cuba) than from Santa Fe.   

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sargent@westford.ccur.com (Ken Sargent)
Subject: Re: Eastern Skiing
Followup-To: Sender
Summary: Ski season at K-Mart officially started today
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:34:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.123202.12172@linus.mitre.org> jls@mbunix.mitre.org (Segal) writes:
>In defense of Eastern Skiing:
>
>1.  I can get to Killington in 3 hours.  I can't get to Utah or 
>Colorado in three hours.
>
>P.S. Can anyone confirm that Killington is opening today?
>

Killington is officially open... 32 deg. at 12:30 with mostly sunny skies.
$20 gets you 3 trails from Killington peak to the mid-station...
Boomerang, Cascade, and Goat Path. a whole 1/2 mile for "Advanced Skiers only".

They were quick to note that they are the 1st in the nation and this is the
earliest opening in the East in history, the 31st consecutive year of
being the 1st ski area in the east to open. 

You might want to call 1st before driving up...... (802)422-3261.

From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:44:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside) writes:

>	Is there going to be anything new at Steamboat this year?

They are also taking out the WJW lift, which means an even safer entry 
point from out of bounds!!!!!!!  Let's just hope we get as much snow this
winter as we got rain this summer!

Skiing is not just a matter of Life or Death it's much more important!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Opening dates?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:22:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Well, Killington, in their usual sledgehammer fashion, ran their early fall
"test" of the snowmaking system, last Wednesday, 9/23. This seems to be
the standard way of saying "As soon as we're likely to have four or five
below freezing nights and pretty cold days we'll open, for at least a few
days." 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rols@tk1003.none (Roland King)
Subject: archive server : recommendations
Organization: /home/rols/.organization
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:12:01 GMT

1) Does anybody know of a skiing archive server where somebody collects old 
rec.skiing posts?

2) We'll be going to the US or Canada next Feb (approx) to ski, and we need
to fix it soon as we're living in Japan and reasonable cost flights get booked
up ages in advance. We went to Whistler last year and loved it. Are there any
more 'cant miss' places anybody can recommend to go to ? Please either post
to the net, or fill up my mailbox at rols@shearson.com

Thanks in advance ...  Rols
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Oct6.160815.6140@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>Here are a couple key things about (not all) Texans:
>
>	- Texans drive incredibly slow on windy & snowy roads.
>	  (Considering they don't have much snow or curves in
>	  texas this isn't a big suprise).

Not just Texas, also New Mexico: why is it that the only place I ever see 
people driving on the shoulder is in states that post signs saying "do 
not drive on the shoulder".  Hmmm?

>I once witnessed (from the lift) a pretty bad scene on The Ridge
>of Bell, an entire family of Texans on a run way over there head
>(i.e. Run was hard black diamond & they were maybe blue square skiers).
>I would guess I saw them 6 times going up the lift before they got
>down.

Do you mean to say that you saw some Texans picking their way down 
the nose of Bell mountain?   ;-)

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:22:29 GMT
	<1992Sep27.173633.21650@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Sep28.091144@is.morgan.com>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 28 Sep 92 13:11:44 GMT, sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) said:
S> Nntp-Posting-Host: kremlin

S> In general, each time I come back from Colorado, I notice that 
S> artificial Killington snow (I don't mean iced-up pack, but fresh powder
S> out of the gun) is "faster", more "slippery" then natural
S> snow in the Rockies. 

Has anyone else noticed that it seems that man-made snow has a tendency to ice
up slopes, even in the west?  Last year, I found really nice conditions
difficult to find except within a day of a snowfall...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: (Q) Rack that fits over...
Keywords: Skiing ski rack Volvo
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 00:30:58 PDT
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:

> About racks...
>   Has anyone found a ski/multi-purpose rack that is TALL enough to fiT
> over Volvo luggage racks on top of wagon models. I am blessed/cursed with
> a '76 265.

>..stuff deleted

> manufacturer and model(s). No luck finding a rack that sits about 5 inches
> above the roof. The car has rain gutters. 


Yakima makes extenders for the 1A towers (the type you would use for a
'76 volvo) which raise the rack bar to a total of about 6 inches or more.
I have a set to compensate for the curved roof of my landcruiser, when
I put them on my volvo DL for the occasional use, they look as though
I could put my bike under the rack :)

They weren't very pricey, about 30.00 (U.S.)



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From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:31:08 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <1992Oct5.224207.20672@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:
> I've skied at both Batchelor and Big Sky and it really isn't such a big deal.
> It's just another way of checking tickets.  It's a pain at first to use the
> card readers, but you'll get used to it after a few runs.  At least it might
> help keep away the people who don't pay.

The fact that I need to take out my ticket disturbs me. I've skied lots of
resorts in the Alps and almost all of them now have computer gates.
Every time you unzip your jacket (no matter how bad it rains, sows...),
pull out the ticket which has an elastic band going around your neck.

The computer sucks in your ticket and spits it back out. In this moment
the hard-plastic ski ticket with your flashy passport photo zips back into
your face, neck or whatever can be harmed most by the edge ticket. I hate
this! And all just to save the personal who used to check your ticket.

The perfect solution is to only have day and half-day tickets, show them
at the bottom lift which has road access and then never again! The better
ski resorts will do this, and everybody who has experienced it will enjoy
it. If beginners feel exploited because they don't use the lifts enough,
give them their own lift right next to the parking lot with a different
ticketing system.

(OK, a few exceptions: Val d'Isere, Les Trois Vallees, Arlberg (St. Anton / Lech),
Zermatt / Bruel Cervinia (sp?), Dolomiti Super Ski and other oversized resorts
which are or are not really connected should offer local tickets. It is often
impossible to ski from one end of the resort to the other during lift opening
hours. And some parts are not even connected or only open when accompanied by
a certified guide.)

Frank
mueller@cs.fsu.edu

From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:58:31 GMT
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> I use it for both trips to the
> mountains for skiing and for surf fishing in Cape Hatteras, N.C.

For some reason I have a hard time visualizing surf fishing...
What kind of surf board do you use ?

bruno.
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From: ed@maxed.amg.com (Ed Whittemore)
Subject: Re: Ski Vacation 
Organization: American Micro Group, Ft. Lee  NJ
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:56:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.210620.22472@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> chung@cps.msu.edu.cps.msu.edu (Dr Moon-Jung Chung) writes:
>Dear Skiers,
>
>We are planning to take a family ski vacation during sometime in Dec.
>(When schools are closed).
>
>Two of my children are expert-advanced intermediate,
>myself is an intermediate, and my wife is a beginner.
>We would like to ski together sometimes and use the same lift
>lines. 
>
>With a limited budget, we plan to visit a ski resort for a week.
>Do you have any suggestions which place is the best for our case?
>
>Places considered are: Vail, Beaver Creek, Keystone, Big Sky, Aspen.
>I am afraid that Vail and Beaver Creek might be too expensive for
>family vacation. Aspen may be too far from Denver Air port.
>By the way we plan to fly from Michigan.
>
>If you have used some ski package and enjoyed it, such
>information can be useful too.
>
>Thanks.
>
>---Moon Jung   chung@cps.msu.edu
>
>


You should consider Steamboat; you can fly directly from Chicago.

-- 
Ed Whittemore   uunet!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt)
Subject: In Defense of Texas Skiers!!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 21:09:38 GMT

In several previous articles regarding TAOS I couldn't help but notice
some shots at Texans.  

Having grown up in N. Idaho, I am not a native Texan but since I live 
and work in Texas I must rise to our (Texans) defense!

If you really think we are simply going to settle for your leftovers 
and throw-backs i.e. Angel Fire, your dreaming.  If you think you can
keep us out of your secret powder stashes, you're too late we've already
skiied them.  

The next time you hike 30 or 40 minutes to reach that "special" run hoping 
to make first tracks only to find someone else has beaten you to it, you can
bet it was probably a Texan!!  It might have even been me!!

God I love someone else's untracked powder!! 

Eat my tracks and remember the Alamo.

Shread-Head.
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:52:33 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>But I'm still at a loss why Texans (even after reading the "all that's
>>wrong with the USA").  Are they that bad?  Not that we need any.
>>Is it a sign that we have two Presidental candidates from Texas?

Nah, really, most of the Texans on the slope are indistinguishable from
anyone else.  It's just that when you get a *really* obnoxious one, they
stick in your craw so badly that you can't help but overgeneralize.  Like
the guy who snowplowed up to the ski rack at Purgatory while I was standing
there waiting for my friends, who stuck his skis in the rack, turned to me
and said, "Watch my skis for me, will ya' sonny?"  Yeah, sure!  I was
tempted to watch them into my truck.

Or the time that,...well, I could go on and on, but I'll spare you.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Subject: Re: QUERY: Good dates for Utah
Reply-To: frank@Ingres.COM (Frank Geick - INGRES/ADVISOR x3558)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:12:44 GMT

Presidents week is not the best week to ski in Utah, but it's the
only one teachers can enjoy. Does anyone have a house/condo in
Little Cottenwood to rent that week?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Keywords: Taos kayaks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:03:09 GMT

In article <5762@versant.COM> dk@versant.COM (Dan Koren) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.213635.13064@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>>
>>4)  I can drive from Boulder to Taos with 2 kayaks and get the
>>	same mileage as when I drive there with NO roof racks
>>	on the vehicle.
>
>What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?
>
>I assume that's Taos, NM, right?
>

You balance them on rocks and take pictures of them.  You then take these
pictures and sell then for hundreds of dollars a piece, as modern art.

There isn't a drop of water within 200 miles of Taos, except on the
Native American reservation, and only because they do rain dances.

A transplanted New Mexican, who longingly misses those 140 degree 
Albuquerque nights,

Steve
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Alpine Touring Skis For Sale
	Cost $700 new (on sale & with package prices)  asking $425
	If interested,  reply via e-mail or call Dave @ 206-528-5765 (Seattle)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:53:56 GMT



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