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From: an2168@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Terence McKenna Books
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:14:13 GMT


I'm looking for Terence McKenna's _True Hallucinations_ and _The Invisible Landscape_
books; I understand that they are going to be re-released soon, but I can't wait;
does anybody know where I can get copies of the originals now? Any addresses of
publishers or book store locations in NYC ?

thank you,

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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: Incandescents for Growing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:10:52 GMT

jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:

>I'm no expert, but I just heard on the radio that for growing plants
>indoors it is best to use a mixture of incandescent and fluorescent
>light, since neither alone gives them all the spectrum they like.
>I think incandescent with a little touch of fluorescent is what they
>said, but I'm sure someone else around here knows more.
  
  At a lab i used to work in, tomato plants were grown under about 2/3
fluorescent, 1/3 incadescent lights in a growth chamber (proportion arrived
at by looking at light bank and guessing...not very scientific of me).

euclid
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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: khat
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:09:30 GMT
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
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Anthony Ankrom (aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec16.074202.18558@husc15.harvard.edu> blom@husc15.harvar
: .edu writes:
: >OK.  Look, people.  The thing many of you are calling khat is not khat. 
: Khat
: >is the stimulant prepared from Catha Edulis, and it is hardly all that m
: ch
: >stronger than caffeine.  This other synthetic chemical is something else
: >entirely.
: 
:  OK. I'm going to be the Reference Meister today... (I think I have a
: reference for just about everything...) Check this out concerning
: cathinone and methcathinone (cathinone is the most potent of the
: stimulants in khat. 

  If you could, please also look up references for cathine, which I 
believe is another of the major components of khat (and one everyone 
seems to be forgetting about.)  I believe cathine is d-nor-pseudo-ephedrine.

  I tried it a few times, and found it a stronger CNS stimulant than 
either ephedrine or pseudo-ephedrine.  I felt it in fact was rather more
pleasant than cocaine, but I didn't use it much and eventually gave the
rest of it away.  (I don't particularly like cocaine, and stimulants in
general tend to leave me cold.  Another blow to the idea that cocaine 
is universally additive.)

  -- Clifton

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From: wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:57:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Dec15.183832.766@burrhus.harvard.edu> glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes:
>>>There is a leathal dose of ANYTHING (with the exception of air)  You can OD and
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Oxygen is toxic, has narcotic effects and is possibly carcinogenic
>>(in high doses, over extended periods of time).
>
>Oxygen =/=  air

   But there's oxygen *in* air. Next time think before you post.

   Actually, it's sort of irrelevant because the nitrogen in the air 
becomes a narcotic long before the oxygen becomes toxic. Look into the
problems people have in very-deep diving sometime.


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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: US takes WOSD to Somalia
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:01:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>Radio NZ reported this morning that a US marine commander in Somalia
>said that Khat was considered contraband and was being confiscated.

     Being confiscated from who? Only US military personnel, or from
Somalies?

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From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: Pot Stuff
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:52:27 GMT

an2509@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Second, is it a bad idea to use common writing/computer paper for rolling
>joints because they might put nasty chemicals in the smoke from whatever
>bleaches or other chemicals they retain from manufacture?

Yes.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
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From: (null pointer)@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:11:09 GMT

	I suppose it is a lot safer to put a question mark on the end of
every sentence I write?  This will keep me from being attacked by people
because my reality tunnel is "WRONG"?
	Ok then?
	
	a) can LSD be mixed WITH DMSO?
	b) would there be anyone on the street or at a dead show or
rainbow gathering or whatever diong this?
	c) if so, wouldn't that be LSD taken though the skin?
subsection 2?
	
	a) can strychnine be affixed to blotter paper, even if some other
method to attach it, such as hairspray, is used?
	b) are there not a lot of ULs about strychnine NOT ONLY being mixed
in with acid, but affecting the way the trip goes?
	c) are there not makers or distributers who just MIGHT affix strychnine
to blotter along with acid JUST BECAUSE of believing that somehow this would
make the trip from THEIR ACID more "individual"?

subsection 3?

	Could there then be NOT ONLY street "acid" that goes through the skin,
BUT ALSO containing strychnine, or even BOTH?

	Is it possible, thus, for UL's, or BULLSHIT or whatever, to AFFECT the
actuality of the current situation?

			Just a few thoughts?

						Sean?
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From: an2506@anon.penet.fi (paracelsus)
Subject: DMT FAQ
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Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:05:41 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.drugs

I'd appreciate a reposting of the DMT FAQ that appeared here a while ago.

- Paracelsus
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Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:52:40 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <lilf61INN8so@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>
>Come on, what's all this bullshit, and why do I have to spell
>it out?
>
>There is no "lethal dose" of LSD.
>
>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.
>
>The only way those two medicants could kill you is if you're
>stomped by the police trying to find the evidence.
>
>I don't personally indulge in either of these, but for goodness
>sake lets deal with facts not official war-on-intelligence b/s/

Peter, Peter, Peter.  There is a lethal dose of _water_ - especially if
ionised...

However,  it is rather large.

If we took a whole heap of Laboratory rats I am sure we could establish 
an overdose level for all of these things.  I feel sure there is an LD50
rating for potatoes already.

There is undoubtedly a lethal dose of LSD - That it would be a physical 
impossibility to injest that much is the issue here.  Try too much though
and you may find it a little difficult to handle simple tasks for a while 
afterward.

The same with Marijuana.  Take enough and you will die.  The amount is so
high that it is effectively impossible to achieve (if it takes more than 
ten minutes to roll the next joint...).  In fact I have not heard of a 
single case of death attributed to an overdose of THC.

The psilocybin mushroom (similar to LSD in effect) has an overdose level
of about half the victims body weight.  Pretty hard to swallow in one go.
Especially on toast.

Of course this must be put into perspective.  The overdose level of Alcohol
(for most people) is something like 3/4 of a bottle of whisky.

Derek "Just say NO - What was the question again?" Tearne


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From: (null pointer)@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.063941.16953@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>U56673@uicvm.uic.edu () writes:
>
>: for not doing my homework... me thinks that the slighly rude (at least to me)
>: graduate student who spend most of his time in the library looking for ways to
>: make his research better should stop roasting his undergraduate contemporary wh
>: o never has a need to go to the library.  this is just what i think is happenin
>
>And never has the need to use a dictionary either - apparently.
>
>Bill

	Spelling flames are really lame.  Is this all you could come up with
to use as an attack on the boy?

						Sean
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: khat 
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:04:14 GMT

In article <724594589snx@widget.demon.co.uk>, nbb@widget (Nick Bristow) writes:
>A little known fact is that there is a medium sized somalian population
>in London and they import their own Khat. Khat is not a controlled drug
>in the U.K and you can buy it in some shops in London, I don't know which 
>so please don't ask (if some else knows please post :-) )

Finland has taken refugees from Somalia.  A few years ago some
Somalians who were bringing some khat to Finland from Sweden via
Northern Finland (by car I think, and the plant was dried I think) and
were caught at the customs, and it was reported as "illegal drug
import".  It was talked in the press how it's part of their culture,
but drug hysteria/persecution flourishes here also so I don't think it
helped them much.  There also was some talk about whether it's a drug
or not - I'm not sure what the end result was to the persons.  They
were allegedly bringing the khat for their own and their friends' use.

I wonder how this fits with the reported 24 hour effectiveness, though.

//Jyrki
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From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: LSD and Violent Behavior. Yes.
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:34:43 GMT

I did a lot of acid between 20 and 18 years ago when I was in my teens and
early twenties. Fortunately for me - I was all too aware of the "freak out"
factor and so - the trips were always in a very controlloed environment -
usually with one or two others - and there was always one present who would
stay straight (just in-case). Once - however, I included my brother - who
I hadn't seen in some time, he was persistant so I let him trip with me.
Unfortunately, he - despite being a wonderful person in many ways - suffers#
from a large ego. At first all seemed well - my wife stayed straight to watch
us, and we played some cool music and talked between "freaks" (getting into
a halucination). Then he went very quite for a while...Then he started laughing
and yelled "that's been it all the time - I AM GOD!".
This got our attention - he had got into a state where he thought he was
totally invincible and invulrenable to pain. Despite heavyly triiping myself,
I ended up having to restrain him from sticking his hand in the flames of the 
gas cooker, leaping out the window (but fortunatly we were in a basement flat),
and so on. We tried to sooth him - explaining that he was tripping, and it 
wasn't real, etc. But he had lost touch altogether. In the end we called for
and ablulance and explained the problem - the ambulance men (for the early
seventies) seemed pretty enlightened - and after checking him over - told us
to give him lot's and lot's of orange juice. It seems that vitamin C helps
bring you down. After about an hour - he seemed to calm down and laghingly
said "boy was that wierd - I bet I gave you all a scare there, didn't I ?".
He seemed his old-self again. He has never tripped since. I agree with the
other posters - acid need to be handled with alot of care - it's certainly
NOT a party drug. And yes - it will expose any psychotic problems a user has
rather readily if the environment isn't very closely controlled. It's very
few people that have this type of timebomb - but they do exists. I don't
think I would want to do acid again - now I've got kids and so forth - mainly
because I know that I can't get a nice controlled environment. Just thought
I'd recount my experience with bad trips all those years ago.

Kamal

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Questions on MDMA (XTC) 
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:38:38 GMT

lw24lag@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (peter lavallee) writes:
>Hi folks.  Having referred to several reputable drug manuals,
>my roommates and I can find no reference to the alleged side
>effect of MDMA -- that is that it drains fluid from the spine.
>
>I can't keep up with the traffic here, so an e-mail reply would
>be greatly appreciated.  (Keep it sensible: if you're reading 
>this a week after the posting, please don't add to my overloaded
>mailbox.)
>
>Sorry if this is a FAQ and thanks,

Yup, it is a FAQ and no it doesn't.

They searched for MDMA neurotoxicity by taking a spinal tap, drawing some
fluid, and looking for marker chemicals there.  And if I hadn't heard
the rumor so many times, the basic *concept* would make me giggle.  MDMA
causes "back pain" but thats just from excertion and amphetamine-like effects
on your muscles.  In a nutshell it doesn't do anything permanent to your
back, unless you fall off something while tripping and break it.
 
 

-- 
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: khat
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:16:35 GMT

njenrigh@mtu.edu (Nick Enright) writes:
: 
: Ive heard that it is quite a bit more powerful than Crystal meth.
: 
: only rumors so far but i hear that it was produced at mtu?
: 
: bassically i hear that it gives you a decent speed trip but that the drop is so intense that it then becomes very psychologically addictive.
: 

Isn't it nice when people pontificate no subjects about which they have
no real knowledge? I would suggest that you ignore all those silly rumors
that you have been hearing. 

Bill
From: mccoy39@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:51:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>Jim "PCP has been known to contain Elvis"
>Del Vecchio is absolutely right.

My brother-in-law was kidnapped by aliens and they told him
his mission was to find all the Angel Dust he could somke until
he absorbed the spirit of The King and could return to Graceland.

Tragically, much of the PCP on the streets today is laced with Zamfir,
and would-be smokers find themselves trapped in the mystical purple
haze of the amazing pan flute.  Always listen to your dusted friends
before you smoke untested PCP:  If they sound more like the world's
most beautiful melodies than a hound dog, take them straight to the
nearest elevator.

MCCOY "street samples of rat poison often contain traces of LSD" 39
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From: an2347@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Psychedelics Encyclopedia
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:01:22 GMT

Just saw an ad in the UTNE READER to order the "Psychedelics Encyclopedia"
by Peter Stafford.  It's order price is $29 US (paper edition). It has
512 pages and 200 illustrations in the third edition.  Does anyone have
comments on previous additions?  Is the book worth buying??
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From: kkwast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kevin A. Kwast)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Drug Screening
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: kkwast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kevin A. Kwast)
Organization: My House
Originator: kkwast@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu

I know that pot, coke, and heroin all show up very easily in a standard
urinalysis drug screening.  What about LSD and X?  How long will the
residue remain testable?

thanks...
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From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:19:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>I can see the headlines now:

>MARIJUANA FINALLY SHOWN TO CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE -- CARELESS LONGSHOREMAN'S
>HEAD CRUSHED BY 10-TON BALE OF HEMP

Funny. but not parallel.

The pharmaceutical effects of marijuana weren't, presumably, 
associated with the longshoreman's death. 
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From: markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Chromium What ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:00:38 GMT
Organization: Portland State University, CS Dept.
In-reply-to: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu's message of 17 Dec 92 20:20:44 GMT


>>supposed to turn your fat into protien

That's bull, but niacin helps to reduce blood cholestorol, and I've heard
that when Chromium Picolinate is used in conjuction with niacin, it increases 
this effect.

    --Mark

BTW, I find ~500 mg of niacin to work well as a mild tranquilizer at bed time.
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MPTP (was Re: MDMA and self-esteem)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:16:14 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Pataphysics

In article <1992Dec15.155012.10012@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
> I just wanted to clarify something that Lamont mentioned about MPTP. It's
>NOT an opiate, but a contaminant of an opiate that is related to meperidine
>that at one time was commonly produced illicitly. MPTP is
>N-methyl,4-phenyl,tetrahydropyridine. A good play on acronym might be:
>"Mama, prepare the psychodrill!!!" :-)

What reason do we have to think that MPTP doesn't have opiate-like effects?
I don't know, but perhaps that would explain why some users ended up with
parkinson's while others didn't (those who did get the syndrome injected
multiple times).  Another explanation would be dosage differences, of course.

And wasn't MPTP a contaminent in meperidine/pethidine itself?

>St. Anthony
>
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>          / N \   O                   Mi vsi smo krizhani,
>         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
>         |   | |_O-C-C-OH             mesarskega ceha...
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:27:23 -0500 
From: Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pseudoephadrine hydrochloride


Has anybody ever heard of Pseudoephadrine Hydrochloride


and if so...what are the effects of taking this drug...are they similar
to ephadrine (white cross)...



merlin

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From: ap.6010@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] [anonymous] alt.drugs - mushroom growing problem (fwd)
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.6010@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:24:51 GMT



Please edit the reply header to send to ap.1060@cupid.sai.com!
NOTE:  I have no clue how to grow shrooms -- my name got attached to
that anonmyous post and people keep mistaking it for mine -- its not!

and I'm in Seattle -- University of Washington... (see question below)


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