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From: mlarson@bach.udel.edu (Michael Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Krytonite cable locks
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:40:35 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Oct8.155422.7053@u.washington.edu> mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.164121.21313@cis.ohio-state.edu>, grichard@swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III) writes:
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with Kryptonite's cable locks?   Is there
>> something inside that sleek black case besides your run-of-the-mill
>> steel cable?   How's the lock itself?
>
>I just met a woman last night who had her bike stolen a month ago. It
>was locked with a kryptonite cable lock in a quite crowded area in
>Seattle. The lock was left, cut clean through the cable.
>

  I have heard a few stories about thefts when using the kriptonite
cable lock.  The technique I use is a u-lock locking the front tire, the
frame and a stationary object and a cable lock for the rear tire and the
frame and the stationary object.  This is only for day time locking of
my bike.  I keep the bike in my apartment or my lab in the evenings...
-Mike
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:13:31 GMT

In article <92282.193012ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>Are you sure? Where does this info come from?

USAF survival manuals. Time in cold weather and lots of experience.
The body cools by evaporation. In tropical climates with high
humidity the body will continue to perspire despite the fact that the
liquid sweat is running off of you in a continuous stream.
>
>From the National Ski Patrol's Outdoor Emergency Care manual, copyright 1988:
>"<description of vapor barriers deleted..see previous posts>
>...[it] traps a warm film of moister next to the skin, decreases
>water requirements by reducing sweating, and increases the insulating
>properties of outer garments by keeping them dry.
>The system seems to work better in very cold weather than at
>moderate temperatures and should probably be avoided by those who
>perspire profusely."
>
You will find that tests by companies like Gore (of Gortex of course)
show that these 'vapor barriers' work because they stop the wind
from penetrating, not because they stop sweat from escaping.

N.A.Otto invented the internal combustion gasoline engine with
completely the wrong theory. But it was a _serviceable_ theory.
The same thing is occurring here. A vapor barrier stops wind penetration
and therefore keeps you warmer. Who cares if you are doing it for
other reasons -- the effect is the same. :-)
From: ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Eric Schweitzer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:30:12 GMT
 <7003@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP><1687A7519.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> <1992Oct8.204859.17926@netcom.com>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


In article <1992Oct8.204859.17926@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H.
Kunich) says:
<Vapor barrier discussion deleted>
>The body feedback loop for perspiration is quite simple and is attached
>mostly to heat. You perspire in a bathtub. There is no merit in your
>belief that wet feet are warm feet.
>
Are you sure? Where does this info come from?

From the National Ski Patrol's Outdoor Emergency Care manual, copyright 1988:
"<description of vapor barriers deleted..see previous posts>
...[it] traps a warm film of moister next to the skin, decreases
water requirements by reducing sweating, and increases the insulating
properties of outer garments by keeping them dry.
The system seems to work better in very cold weather than at
moderate temperatures and should probably be avoided by those who
perspire profusely."

BTW, keeping a thin wicking layer between the skin and the vapor barrier
will reduce the clammy feeling. Of course, you are now up to 4 layers,
(wick, vapor barrier, insulation, wind break), and we are talking COLD.
Cold means, say, -65 deg F at no wind, or -5 F at 1 MPH wind.
From: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Fight the Fumes Week Commuter Challenge
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:55:11 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: dmarsh@lister-05

I apologize for this rather wasteful post, but: 
A couple of weeks ago I posted a report on the bike/public transport/car
commuter challenge held in Glasgow and am wondering if anybody saved
the article. It has since been deleted from our old news articles, and 
although I thought I had saved it after posting, I obviously did not! :-(
If anybody has a copy of the article I would be really grateful if they could
EMail it to me.

Thanks in advance, and keep cycling!
       
Dave.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:18:47 EDT
From: Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Roofrack

I am planning to purchase a roofrack to carry my bikes.  Last time I
looked at racks was ten years ago.  The racks out there today are
sort of expensive. I was hoping to spend around $100- $130.  What
kind of features should I be looking for ?  Does anyone have
any good or bad personal experiences with roofracks ?  I have both
a car with rain gutters (1984 Honda Accord) and a car without
the roof gutters (1986 Honda Accord).  I would greatly appreciate
any insight on what type of rack to look for. Thanks =)

-Chad Burkins
 ctb103@psuvm.psu.edu
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Headphones (was Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?)
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:02:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

tfb@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Tim Bradshaw) writes:

>To bring this back to bicycles: was this in response to a suggestion
>to wear headphones while riding?  I think that's a pretty good way to
>get knocked down by a car you didn't hear.

I keep hearing this, and I still don't understand it.
  
I use normal headphones (not bud earphones) on the bike, and have no
trouble hearing cars.  THe real problem seems to be to have the volume
at such a level that you can hear it over the wind noise, and not
deafen yourself when you stop at the lights!
  
How many people have actually had trouble hearing cars with earphones on?
And do the bud phones block out more outside noise than normal types?



>--tim

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From: turgeon@systems.cc.fsu.edu (Fran Turgeon)
Subject: GABA address request
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:37:10 GMT

I'm looking for the address of the Greater Arizona Bicycle Assoc.
Does anyone have it handy?
Thanks.

-Frannie

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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Knobby tires in 27" ?
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:20:47 GMT

In <1992Oct14.221115.6426@midway.uchicago.edu> kristian@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Kristian Simsarian) writes:


>So far all I can
>find in 27" is tri-sport type semi-slick wheels.  The michelin Touring
>tire is nice, but 2 of them almost cost more than the bike, and the
>Michelin tread is not all that radical.  Where can one find 27" tires
>with some surface terrain features?

According to the Cycle Goods catalog, the Specialized
TriCross knobby is available in 27x1-3/8.  I'd expect
cyclocross-oriented shops would have more varieties.

If you really wanted to change wheel sizes, converting to
700c would be easier than converting to 26", but would still
mean replacing your brakes with longer-reach models.  700c
is a more common size, and lots of very aggressive tires are
available for the hybrid/cross market.  Still, new wheels
and brakes would probably cost more than finding a
700c-wheeled bike at an auction.
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Painting bicycles
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.210328.19056
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Painting bicycles is a tedious and time consuming business.

D and D Cycle Service in San Leandro, CA , Chris Kelly in Oakland, CA
and most others will paint a basic one color paint job on a frame and
fork for a starting price of about $120. Details like putting on
decals often cost $40 or more and fancy paint jobs can run into
the thousands of dollars!

You have to supply the completely stripped frame and fork.

Do it yourself paint jobs most often aren't worth the effort of
stripping, preparation and painting unless you have access to
good tools and materials. Top flight paint, such as Imron or
Starburst can run you $50 for the amount necessary to spray a bike
and spray can jobs generally are ugly and unprofessional. Spray cans
contain paint that is weak, sun reactive and chipping prone.

So, unless you have a classic bike that you want to preserve, a bike
that you just have too many good memories from, or a very high class
bike that is worth an expensive paint job it is generally best to
buy a new bike rather than getting new paint.

Once in awhile you can find a good car painter that will spray your
_completely_ prepared frame and fork, while he's doing a car in the
color you want. These cases can be pretty cheap if the painter is
good with vertical surfaces. But you have to do all of the work except 
the spray. And if you don't mask off the head tube and the bottom bracket
you'll need a shop to use special tools to clear them out.

BTW, Cadillacs and the like have some extremely attractive if a bit 
concervative colors in very high quality paint so a body shop that deals
with these cars might be convinced to give you a good but cheap paint
job.
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From: billh@bike.hampton.sgi.com (Bill Henderson)
Subject: SUMMARY: Common cycling injuries
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Hampton, VA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:09:52 GMT


Last week, I posted a questions about common cycling injuries. Namely the most
common broken bones. The most common broken bone is, of course, the collarbone
but the second most common is the navicular in the wrist. My question: where
is the navicular? Here are some of the responses:

---------------

From biz@soil.Princeton.EDU  Tue Oct  6 11:56:31 1992

Bill, 
I know exactly where it is, I broke it using a half inch high torque drill.
 Lay your hand flat on a table and lift up your thumb, the bone is under
that tendon.  If you press on the tendon and it hurts REAL bad it may be
broke, another indication is if you can't squeeze say a doorknob, that's
what gave it away for me.  To prepare you incase it's broke I was in a cast
for 12 weeks and I'm not an old man either.  Let me know how it turns out.

-------------------
From meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu  Tue Oct  6 12:01:51 1992

The navicular (yes, that is the correct spelling!) is one of the 'pebble-
like' bones that give the wrist that sliding effect. . . it is just below
the base of the thumb. . . an extrememly difficult fracture to properly
diagnose. . . astonishingly painful for such a small bone, and slow to
heal.  If such a fracture is suspected (much less actually *detected*),
the wrist *and* thumb should be splinted into immobility, and sadly this
has to be maintained for quite some time. . . 6 weeks or more. [I
slipped on ice, bent my splint and aggravated my fracture, so it took
even longer!]

------------------------


Good news and bad news: I didn't break the navicular when I had my recent
fall, but I may have fractured my stayfoid (sp?) bone. Here's one reponse:

From praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Oct  6 13:16:16 1992

>Could you describe where the stayfoid bone is. From what I understand, it
>sounds like you're talking about a bone that's just a couple of millimeters
>from the bump on the outside of the wrist toward the fingers, correct?

Bingo.  You win the prize.  It took my friend's almost a year to fuse.
Don't bother splinting it or trying anything.  Sometime you will remember
it and it will be fused.  Its a pain for the first few months though.
  - Eric 


-----------------------------------------------

There were numerous other responses but just to keep things brief I've picked
the most informative ones. Thanks to all those who responded.

Bill
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From: cs4ec3at@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Kerr         P)
Subject: Re: speedplay pedal/lolipop pedals
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:08:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.172328.11235@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>Hi,
>
>  Does anybody have any info about Speedplay pedals.  They look like lollipops.
>A shop in town is carrying them, they seem to think they are really pretty cool.

I've ridden on them for the past season, and I love 'em!  I put them on my
TREK 5500 and there is no comparison to the LOOK carbopro's that were there.

As well, the amount of freedom in the system (32 degrees) is ideal for 
preventing knee problems.

They feel funny at first, kind of like having your foot on ice -- you keep
sliding around a lot.  After a couple of rides, I could ride very naturally.
As far as clicking in and out, the idea is the same as with most other pedal
systems, except that to get in just step on it.  The speedplay pedals are
symetrical so pedal orientation isn't important.  Release is accomplished by
twisting out.

I've never pulled out of the cleats on them yet (something that had been
a problem before) and I've given them lots of opportunity!


Good riding,
Richard


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From: gavind@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: cycle store in ANAHEIM, CA
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:34:54 GMT

Any good bike stores in Anaheim? Emailed suggestions gratefully received.

gavin
From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Can you live exclusively on energy drinks?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:32:51 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization


Sure you can.  RAAM racers almost have to live on it to win.  I don't
have the statistics handy, but The RAAM Book should give you a good idea.

jen
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From: ptrw_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ol' Man Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: MTB Brake Pads
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:12:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I have A '92 Specialized Hard Rock Ultra and it has
been working great for the 3.5 months I've had it.
But ever since I've dragged in to raw and wet terrain
of Rochester, NY , the rear brake pads seem to be literally
rubbing themselves out of existance.  It first occured in the rain-
the pads leave a thick black residue on the rear rim.  Now, it doesn't
take a rocket scientist to know that it's going to take longer to stop
in the wet, but in stop and go rides about campus, it doesn't take
long for me to establish incredible powersliding stops.  The pads
simply don't grip as well with this black crud on the rims!  Most of
it does come off when I get back to the dorm, but I can't stop and
clean the damn thing every time I stop!
Is there any stronger composite for brake pads - I mean its not
even winter here and while powersliding is fun, it sucks when you
have a backpack on going to make an important presentation.

		thanks
			Pete
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From: daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Daavid Turnbull)
Subject: Re: "HI-TECH"
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:37:34 GMT

In article <718299759.AA00000@urchin.fidonet.org> Chilero@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Chilero) writes:
> I'm all for technical goodies on your bike, what with geekbars,
> Camelbaks,bent-forward seatposts, etc.
> BUT! The first person I see riding along on his/her bike , yakking on a cellular
> phone is gonna get ROOSTED!!!!!!!

Some time ago when my wife and family were was overseas, I got the job, 
as I usually do, of looking after her 24 hour counselling service.  (We 
are both registered psychologists but I now work mainly in software.)

First weekend out the guy's at the office invite me on a cycling tour of
the wine district of the Victorian, Yarra Valley, (in the the se of oz).  
Sure enough I get paged while sippping champagne at the second winery,
(Chandon).  Out of the money belt comes the cellular phone and we are 
in business.

The nature of her business is that for some reason when you get one call you
seem to get a dozen, so ten wineries and as many call later I felt like I had
put in a reasonable days effort.  My wife had instructed me to cycle the
batteries ;-).

I do not think that I could contemplate carring out a conversation while 
actually on the road (the helmet would get in the way) but I can see the
cellular phone being quite a useful piece of cycling equipment.  Only last
week I was riding home listening to the tranny in my pocket when they had
a talk back session which made mention of cycling paths.... I wish I had 
had my wife's phone on me then.

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From: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: New Klein suspension system (was Allsop review)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <5753@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois) writes:


>  Another advantage suspension forks have over suspension stems is 
>  its ability to not lose as much speed when going
>  over obstacles.  The suspension stem may take away some of the jolt 
>  to the arms but it does nothing to conserve speed.

I disagree.  The Allsop stem may not conserve quite as much speed as
a shock fork, but it is MUCH better than an unsuspended bike.  There
is no question that I can ride MUCH faster on rough ground now than
I could before installing the stem.  I'm absutely certain of that.

>  I found that with the Mag 20 my body was taking less of a beating
>  than with my static fork.  On fast downhill sections the ride 
>  would have been much rougher with my static fork, and I think 
>  I would have been slower with it.  I ended up staying off the
>  brakes longer and going faster and faster.  When I reached the 
>  same level of roughness I'll ride my static fork at, I'd 
>  reach for the brakes.  I found that I rode both types of
>  forks to the same level of roughness, the suspension forks
>  giving more speed due to its increased tracking ability.
>  I don't think this would be the case with a suspension stem
>  because it does not increase tracking.

I made precisely the same discovery on my first ride with the Allsop stem.
I don't know enough about the physics involved to dispute your claim that
the stem doesn't "increase tracking" (you might be right...I don't know),
but like you, I need to use my brakes FAR less, and I can comfortably go
MUCH faster than I could before.  This speculation about what the stem
must be like was precisely the same speculation that I engaged in before
I tried it.  I thought it COULDN'T compare with a good suspension fork. 
I thought suspension stems were just a bad idea.  I suggest you ride one
on that same trail and see what you think.  You may not like it as much
as a mag-20 (it's not for everyone), but I bet you'll be quite impressed.
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From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:00:31 GMT

mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
> 
> 	After cycling through three of the Northeast's winters (recently with
> less snow, but still cold), I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to come
> up with some _serious_ cold-weather footgear, not just modifications to summer
> shoes...  What with helmet liners, helmets themselves, ski-derivative gloves,
> etc., my feet are my last great frontier of comfort...

I was surprised no one mentioned the obvious (at least I didn't see it): shoe
covers.  I don't know how anyone can ride in the cold without them.  I have a
pair of Sidis that look like the time-trial ones that Banesto and other pro
teams use, but there are also neoprene covers.  Performance and some of the
other mail order houses carry them.  Neoprene is probably warmer than the
tight TT style, but it doesn't look as sleek.

> 	Has anyone ever attempted to screw on some look cleats to the bottom
> of a pair of cross-country ski boots?  Dorky and freddish-looking, I know,
                                                   ^^^^^^^^
> but I think I'll try it next year...

Freddish???

Kurt R. Krueger
kkrueger@unomaha.edu
University of Nebraska at Omaha

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From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Cellular Phones ?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:57:26 GMT

This morning someone here (at work) posted one of these suggestions
of how to improve your productivity suggesting that it would be a 
good idea to get a little clipboard and keep that on the dashboard
of your car to jot down ideas. I responded, "No, No, No. There are
too many dangerous drivers with two ton steel cages who don't need
another distraction." 
Anyway, someone else just told me of (the proverbial) a friend of a
friend who got pulled over for talking on a car phone while driving. 
I thought it was legal here in California but I remember it being
against the law years ago growing up in New Jersey. Does anyone
know the law ?

Don
don@island.com


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