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From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:43:20 CDT


In article <1992Sep3.195039.9864@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:

>It could be argued that the holocaust, once initiated, was unstoppable
>by individual actions, or by actions of the kinds of groups that could
>be assembled at that time and place.  How many people reading this
>would have been willing to risk their lives in a comparable situation?
>This is not to deny that, historically, Poles are not exempt from 
>complicity in the general situation which the Jews were placed and
>which led to the holocaust.  In any case, are we not too preoccupied
>with the details of the past rather than with getting on with the
>present and future?  What is being done NOW about anti-semitism, and
>about other human wrongs, now that we have seen what the consequences
>of such wrongs can be? 

There are some thoughts here, but as holocaust is concerned it is
good starting point for discussion, if any, between Jews and Germans -
if both sides want to discuss that right now. Above thoughts represent
Jewish point of view, and nobody should be surprised. But
if something needs to be discussed with Poles it is necessary
also to consider their point of view that means issues that Poles
raise. I think that several examples of anti-polonism among Jews,
and other activities that can spread anti-polonism among other
communities would be quite qood starting point for such a discussion.
Another words, what is being done NOW about anti-polonism. Otherwise
everything will look exactly the same as before - Jews talking
to themselves, Poles talking to themselves, and nothing changed.

A. Mazur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: radek@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Radoslaw Zakrzewski)
Subject: Re: Polski Kompozytor Grecki ?
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.021007.1970@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> morro@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Witam Szanowna Publike
>
>	Moj szef niedawno uslyszal w radiu (105.1 MHz w Los Angeles) piesn
>Ave Maria i upiera sie ze napisal ja Polski kompozytor o nazwisku "Grecki" (!).

 ,
Gorecki, chyba Mikolaj ale pewien nie jestem. Istotnie jest bardzo znanym
kompozytorem.

>Poniewaz byl zachwycony ta piesnia i koniecznie chce znalezc CD lub LP tego
>utworu prosil mnie zebym sie kolo tego zakrecil.  Nie powiem zebym byl
>ekspertem od muzyki klasycznej, ale jedyna piesn o nazwie Ave Maria ktora
>znam napisal Schubert.  Jezeli wobec tego ktos z panstwa ma jakas wiadomosc
>na temat wielkiego Greckiego piszacego na boku utwory klasyczne (w przerwach
>miedzy tercjami ? :) to bardzo bym prosil o wiadomosc.  Bardzo mi na tym
>zalezy, wiec nawet jestem gotow zniesc pare docinkow na temat Edmonton Oilers
>czy LA Kings :).  Dzieki !
>
>Jasiek

ju are welkam. 
Radek Zakrzewski

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: NO MORE POLACK JOKES
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:28:51 GMT

Except this one:

Wiele Polakow trzeba zeby zrobic dziecko?

Szesc. Dwa w luszku, i cztery to shake it.
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From: EM20@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Zawisza Czarny/Dar Mlodziezy
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:25:33 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

Czy ktos z Panstwa zna aktualny status/los powyzszych
jachtow ? Oba braly udzial w niedawnych regatach trans-
atlantyckich i na koniec zawinely do Liverpool'u....
Lokalna prasa w kolejnych wydaniach na pierwszych stronach
donosila o brudnej, glodujacej i pozbawionej jakichkolwiek
srodkow finansowych 38-osobowej zalodze Zawiszy (muzycy z
Nowego Yorku, zony oficerow...). Apelowano o kazda
forme pomocy. Wedlug prasy podobna sytuacja pojawiala sie
we wszystkich portach do ktorych zawijal Zawisza Czarny.
    Dar Mlodziezy nie mial podobnych problemow....stad moje
pytanie skad taka przepasc miedzy tymi dwoma jachtami ?
Pozdrowienia...J. Blachut
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:49:01 GMT

In article <dobo.715016128@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>For your information:
>
>Republic of Poland, Statistical Yearbook 1939:
>pages 103-105:
>"Religion of owners of trade businesses" (read: shopowners) in 1938:
>
>Total	437 610
>Roman Catholic	190 723
>(Moses religion) = Jewish	216 498
>[...]
>unknown	22 842
>
>There goes your 90%.
>
>I am sure you also wanted to know this (from same table):
>
>Owners of shops selling alcohol:
>		(this information is dedicated to Mr. Glemp)
>
>Total	3820
>R.C.	2801
>Jewish	812
>[...]
>unknown	171
>
>From another table (pp. 31-32), the percentage of Jewish shopowners who
>had no employees (one-man shops) was 82.1%
>
>Salutations,
>
>W. Dobosiewicz

Interesting. Now please tell us the percentage of Jewish landowners, farmers,
doctors, etc.

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                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: John Lennon (was Re: Nazi Camps !!)
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.155538.7527@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
>Looks like John Lennon has come back to life.

Personally, I would love that.  Wouldn't you?

  Michal~ the Beatlemaniac

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My opinions are my opinions. Quite predictable.
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Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                      Love is all you need..."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: To Mariusz
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:12:34 GMT

In article <matthew.715309658@mugga>, matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
>pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>
>>  Zawsze zastanawialo mnie, dlaczego dla Polakow dosc oczywisty
>>dla kazdego fakt, ze w Polsce mieszkali, mieszkaja i bedac mieszkac
>>ludzie NIE BEDACY Polakami jest taki trudny do zaakceptowania.
>
>>  W szczegolnosci taka niepolska grupa byli Zydzi, a nie zadni
>>Polacy pochodzenia zydowskiego. Tak tez powinienes to MB rozumiec,
>> "polscy obywatele pochodzenia zydowskiego nie
>>byli, tak naprawde, Polakami",
>>jakkolwiek informacja ta moglaby Cie zainteresowac czy zaskoczyc.
>
[...]
>
>
>>                                  Pawel Penczek.
>
>Ja tez tak myslalem jak Pan Penczek, ale przestalem jak przeczytalem
>ponizszy artykul.
>
>MB
>
[...]
>|The Jews were non-Poles?  So what were they?  The Anti-Zionist Jews
>|on this net have for years been trying to convince us that Jews have
>|no claim on Israel since they are Europeans, (ie Poles, Germans, Russians
>|etc.)  Now you, a Pole, are telling us that the Jews were non-Poles...
>|Could it be you are a Zionist?
>|
>|Gadi

  Pokretna logika Gadiego przerasta moja zdolnosc pojmowania.  Domyslam
sie w tym fragmencie sprzecznosci, ale nie mam czasu go analizowac.

   Na moje poglady tego typu odpryski jakos nie wplywaja....

                                          Pawel Penczek

PS. Jesli byscie syjonista oznacza, ze uznaje sie Zydow za narod i jako
taki uprawniony do posiadania ojczyzny to oczywiscie jestem syjonista.
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: To Mariusz
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep4.124315.9604@icd.ab.com> minta@triton (Marek Minta) writes:
>In article <87665@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.195232.5646@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>>>[..] But anti-semitism was
>>>and still is endemic to Polish society.
>>              ^^^^^^^
>>You should check your Webster's , before you use a word. 
>
>"Endemic" is used properly in this sentence, [...]
>
>Marek Minta

My Webster's says "endemic": >restricted< and native to particular area, in
all five entries. I know, what Robert had in mind, but this particular
word was used incorrectly. BTW isn't it strange how some of our net friends
from s.c.j. use English language? I read elaborate ethymological explanations 
, why the name "Polish Death Camps" is correct, and now this innovative
use of the word endemic. Perhaps this is not serendipitous!

--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania | If you can't learn  
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter | to do it well,
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                | learn to enjoy doing it badly.
From: pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu (Marek Pytlik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Zawisza Czarny/Dar Mlodziezy
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:03:08 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Aug29.131731.15396@funet.fi> jacek@cs.tut.fi writes:
>
>In article <92241.142533EM20@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, EM20@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
>|> Czy ktos z Panstwa zna aktualny status/los powyzszych
>|> jachtow ? Oba braly udzial w niedawnych regatach trans-
>|> atlantyckich i na koniec zawinely do Liverpool'u....
>|> Lokalna prasa w kolejnych wydaniach na pierwszych stronach
>|> donosila o brudnej, glodujacej i pozbawionej jakichkolwiek
>|> srodkow finansowych 38-osobowej zalodze Zawiszy (muzycy z
>|> Nowego Yorku, zony oficerow...). Apelowano o kazda
>|> forme pomocy. Wedlug prasy podobna sytuacja pojawiala sie
>|> we wszystkich portach do ktorych zawijal Zawisza Czarny.
>|>     Dar Mlodziezy nie mial podobnych problemow....stad moje
>|> pytanie skad taka przepasc miedzy tymi dwoma jachtami ?
>|> Pozdrowienia...J. Blachut
>
>Hm... Zawisza Czarny jest chyba zaglowcem ZHP
>(harcerstwa), zreszta tyle sie zmienia, ze nie
>wiadomo co jest co.
>Dar Mlodziezy natomiast jest przeznaczony do
>szkolenia adeptow Wyzszych Szkol Morskich
>(chyba jest wlasnoscia gdynskiej WSM). Innymi
>slowy Dar Mlodziezy to "instytucja akademicka" i
>traktowana reprezentacyjnie. 

Dar Mlodzierzy jest wlasnoscia WSM w Gdyni, lecz prawdopodobnie jest
to jedyny fakt ktory laczy szkole z statkiem. Dar jest samodzilna jednostka
finansowa, i wszystkie wydatki pokrywa z wlasnego budzetu. Tak wiec bedac w
USA mial sponsorow takich jak Cutty Sark, and Gillette. Paliwo tez mial 
fundowane przez jednego z sponsorow (Getty Oil ???).

Podobnie ciezka sytuacje (jak Zawisza) mialy w USA rosyjskie Kruzensztern
i chyba Siedow. Slyszlem ze prowiant i paliwo ktore byly calkowicie 
wyczerpane otrzymaly od Paula Newmana (aktor). Osobiscie bylem swiadkiem
ladowania prowiantu z ciezarowek czrwonego krzyza na Kruzensztern w Bostonie.


>Skad taka sytuacja na Zawiszy to juz dla mnie
>zagadka. Nawet w dawniejszych czasach gdy 
>przelicznik dolara byl znacznie gorszy i kazdy
>cent sie liczyl, nie mielismy takich problemow,
>mimo, ze koszty rejsu uczestnicy ponosili sami.
>Owszem, starano sie oszczedzac np. na oplatach
>portowych i cumowac przy darmowych kejach, zeby
>oszczedzic kilka DM czy USD, ale o zebractwie 
>wsrod zeglarzy nie slyszalem.
>
>Jacek N.
>
>-----------------------
>
>Jacek Nieweglowski
>Signal Processing Laboratory
>Tampere University of Technology
>P.O. Box 553
>SF 33-101 Tampere, Finland
>
>jacek@cs.tut.fi
>-- 

Marek Pytlik 
University of Massachusetts @ Boston.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: zrfp0406@awssn3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Hertzer)
Subject: DONOSY (English translation) missing
Summary: I don't get the english translation of DONOSY since longer time
Organization: Comp. Cent. University of Stuttgart (RUS), FRG
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:46:58 GMT


After no. 854 (Wednesday, July 15, 1992)  I got no more issues of the
english translation of DONOSY, which I got for a long time from
Przemek@ndcvx.cc.nd.edu.
I got no answer on an E-Mail to Przemek.

Got anybody later issues of the english translation?
Has anybody an idea why I get nothing more?

Yes, I know that Przemek does not make any translation if he is out for
holidays or does not find time for any other reason; but it is a really
long time since July 15 and therefore I assume there is another reason.

Whatever may be the reason for my problem - I think I should thank Przemek
for his work with the translations.

Please E-Mail your answers to me - I will summarize here.

Thanks for your answers!

Joerg

Dr.-Ing. Joerg Hertzer                    Phone:  ++49-711-685-5734
Computer Center University Stuttgart      Fax:    ++49-711-682357
Allmandring 30                            E-Mail: Hertzer@rus.uni-stuttgart.de
W-7000 Stuttgart 80
Germany
From: dabrowsk@parc.xerox.com (Jarek Dabrowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Polack joke - NOT!
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:43:59 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC

Spoznilem sie z czytaniem i nie bardzo wiem, jakimz to pieknym dowcipem
zostalismy potraktowani, ale mysle sobie, ze czlowiek nie ma lepszego
sposobu na zrobienie z siebie durnia niz przez powazne tlumaczenie
dowcipnisiowi i kolegom ze przylozono mu nieslusznym kawalem. Agresywny
dowcip trzeba odesmiac, przechwycic i odrzucic (albo gosciowi dokopac
fizycznie, co tu chyba tym razem nie wchodzi w rachube?). Uczyli mnie
tego w zlobku, w przedszkolu, w szkole i na studiach, na podworku, u
zuchow, u harcerzy i u innych lazegow. Zwykle dzialalo w praktyce... 

Gdzie nasze nadworne blazny? 


Buzka,
       Jarek
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I WANT DAN BREDY BACK TO THE NET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: marek@mel.dit.csiro.au (Marek T. Michalewicz)
Subject: Re: Nazi Camps
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 03:50:16 GMT


In article <1992Aug23.055303.3228@dgbt.doc.ca>, ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:
|> I was just suggesting that the human race stop living in the past. The
|> WHOLE human race. Our primary indentity should be to humanity, not to
|> its mythical cultural subgroups. Unrealistic, I know, but wouldn't it
|> be nice?
|> 
Yes, and the WHOLE human race should be 1.80cm high, blonde with blue eyes.

Or, the WHOLE human race should march on 1st May parade, waving the banners and shout: Lenin, Stalin, Mao-Tse-Tung...

Perhaps you will understand one day, that all the perfect solutions which 
start with "the WHOLE human race" etc. are ill-conceived.

The solution is not FORGETTING but FORGIVING.

|> -- 
|> ==========================================================================
|> Ted Grusec    Communications Research Centre    (Govt. of Canada, DOC)
|>  3701 Carling Ave., Ottawa, Ont.K2H 8S2, CANADA  Internet: ted@dgbt.doc.ca
|>   Compuserve: 73607,1576  (613) 998 2762   Fax (613) 993 8657

Take care,

Marek


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,alt.censorship,rec.humor
From: krzystek@milton.u.washington.edu (Jerzy Krzystek)
Subject: "Spojrzenia" nr. 39 - spis tresci
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:12:44 GMT

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Piatek, 28.08.1992.                                               nr 39
_______________________________________________________________________

W numerze:

  Piotr J. J. Szymanski - Kilka slow o "donoszeniu"
      Roman Lewandowski - Major w Paryzu
        Izabella Bodnar - Co nowego na Olimpie? Slawomir Mrozek
          Pawel Penczek - Jeszcze o Powstaniu Warszawskim
       Andrzej M. Kobos - Odpowiedzialnosc za slowo
         Jurek Krzystek - Piekno w literaturze
        Adam Strzembosz - Co ma byc ostrzezeniem dla przyszlych
                          pokolen?
         Mariusz Gorzka - Bog milczacej obecnosci
_______________________________________________________________________

Prenumerata: Jurek Krzystek. Numery archiwalne dostepne przez anonymous
FTP, adres: <tirana.berkeley.edu> (128.32.123.30), directory:
/pub/VARIA/polish/dir_spojrzenia
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: To Mariusz
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:23:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


In article <1992Aug26.185504.18004@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk) writes (about Ian Feldman text)

>I am astonished by your "excellent" evaluation whether Poles did or did not
>do enough to save Jewish or Gypsies. I would like to know what is your
>basis to come to such conclusions.

Perhaps you should read some honest history books - Bartoszewski would
be the best choice.

> May be not enough Poles had lost
>their lives for protecting others? 

You can hardly use this argument here. Nobody denies the fact, that
Poles were victims too (well, almost nobody), problem is; how many
Poles took an active part in the extermination of Jews. Jewish
survivers say many...but admitt that there was no organized antisemitic
action within the polish society.

>[...]I am slowly getting the picture why there were so many
>antysemitic reactions in polish society. Shall we start to list what
>Jews were doing in Poland before, during and after IIWW to counter
>your opinions?
>
Care to elaborate on that? ie list the evil things Jews did to Poles
before, during and after WWII.

>
>I can see you are really starting to use not only unfounded accusations
>but also clearly offending language.[...]

Can you understand sarcasm? Advocatus diaboli ring the bell?

>
>You are trying to be smart Ian, but judging from what you are saying
>I doubt if you are intelligent enough to fool anybody.
>
>Mariusz Prokopczyk



IMHO Ian's text was carefull and wise , you certainly have right to
criticise him Mariusz, however I would refrain from judging someone's
intelligence and especially from anouncing it on the network.

--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania | If you can't learn  
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter | to do it well,
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                | learn to enjoy doing it badly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 00:52:12 GMT

In article <dobo.715016128@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>
>For your information:
>
>Republic of Poland, Statistical Yearbook 1939:
>pages 103-105:
>"Religion of owners of trade businesses" (read: shopowners) in 1938:
>
>Total	437 610
>Roman Catholic	190 723
>(Moses religion) = Jewish	216 498
>[...]
>unknown	22 842
>
>There goes your 90%.
>
>I am sure you also wanted to know this (from same table):
>
>Owners of shops selling alcohol:
>		(this information is dedicated to Mr. Glemp)
>
>Total	3820
>R.C.	2801
>Jewish	812
>[...]
>unknown	171
>
>From another table (pp. 31-32), the percentage of Jewish shopowners who
>had no employees (one-man shops) was 82.1%
>
This is very interesting. Thank you.  Would someone like to tell us
what the various social implications of these numbers were?

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Antisemitism in Poland.
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:39:05 GMT

In article <BtxGB7.8qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbroda@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jacek Broda) writes:
> I am a student at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign. I am 
> greatly interested in the current situation in Poland. How widespread is 
> antisemitism? Any information would be greatly appreciated. I am writing 
> a term paper on the subject.
>                             

Jacek,

I just came back from Poland ( I was there for 3 weeks), there is no antisemitism
whatsovever in Poland, with the exception of few jokes here and there. As a 
matter of fact some of the key people in the Polish governemnt are of Jewish
descent, how's that for antisemitism. You should maybe inquire into the German
newsgroup, French newsgroup, or better yet I'm sure you can find some of it here
in the US - I would say those are the best choices for your paper on 
antisemitism with the exception of the Palastanians and some other Arab 
states.

Good Luck, hope you get an A on your term paper.

regards,

mario s.
From: branley@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: To Mariusz
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:42:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

 pogromy w Kielcach czy Krakowie  nie byly aktem zemsty za represjonowanie
AK.Zostaly spowodowane strachem ze powracajace niedobitki zazadaja  zwrotu
swojej wlasnosci...


             Branley,Jerozolima

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Antisemitism in Poland.
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:15:48 GMT

In article <dobo.715470755@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
>>I just came back from Poland ( I was there for 3 weeks), there is no antisemitism
>>whatsovever in Poland, with the exception of few jokes here and there. As a 
>>matter of fact some of the key people in the Polish governemnt are of Jewish
>
>This is really funny. When I visited Poland in May, I found the opposite
>to be true. Almost all the economic problems were blamed on Jews; in
>general, the idea of "bij Zyda" was not uncommon.
>Maybe there are two different Polands? Mine included Warsaw.
>

Quite to the contrary, I heard sayings like, "You have to bring the Jews
back to put this in order", or like "Our own people don know how to manage a
free country, but the Jews knew how", or "US is doing good because of Jewish
influance, Poland should follow the same example.

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