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From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings game
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:35:17 GMT
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In article <1dmakcINNmi2@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>	It was never close!  The Vikings line(both sides of the ball) dominated
>>the game.  Terry Allen and Roger Craig had great days rushing and Gannon had 
>>another decent day passing.  I may be biased but THE VIKES ARE NO FLUKE!
>>Houston is dead meat.
>>			
>   Actually, Allen did have a great day rushing 14-84, but Craig was only
>   3-12. However Craig scored two TDs, much to the chagrin of all FFL owners
>   of Allen (can you say "irritation"). My question to Viking fans in the
>   know, is Craig gonna be the TD man 'cause Allen is fumbling so much. 
>   Please tell me no...

	Actually, I have Terry Allen on my FFL team. In the preseason
	scouting reports it said plan on Allen to be pulled inside the
	20's. So i think it is just Dennis Greens coaching. He was pulling
	Allen before he had a bit of trouble fumbling. I beleive Allen
	does have like 7 TD's tho, so that makes me happy, he usally
	gets me at least 100 all purpose yards each week gaurenteed.

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: in defense of Lin Elliott
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:46:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <lfj5l3INN9an@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel J
ust) writes:
>
>Lin Elliott is not as bad as everyone says he is, IMHO.
>He is the classic example of a power kicker who lacks accuracy -- the exact
>opposite of Ken Willis.
>On Sunday, vs. the Eagles, Elliott missed two makeable attempts, but notice tha
t
>neither attempt was short; both were wide.  He did convert two attempts,
>including a 48-yarder.  Earlier in the year, he converted a 51-yarder.
>Still, 2 out of 4, while not good, is still OK.
>
>One important aspect of his game that many people overlook is his kickoffs.
>In the Eagles game, I believe all 5 of his kickoffs were touchbacks.  It
>doesn't show up in the stats that he may have prevented Sikahema from making
>several long kickoff returns.
>
>It is true that the Cowboys haven't won or lost any games on an Elliott
>field goal attempt.  If the Superbowl came down to a last second field
>goal attempt, like Norwood's when Buffallo lost to the Giants, would you
>rather have Elliott or Willis try the kick?  If it was a 47-yard attempt,
>like Norwood's, I would probably rather have Elliott.

    I hate to disagree with you, but a kicker that is not accurate is not worth
    keeping regardless of his leg power. Elliot missed alot of FGs this season
    and it is time to try some else before he begins costing the cowboys
    games. I hope JJ will try someone like E Murray or even Huereta (does
    anyone know where is he?). The only +ve thing about Elliot is his
    kickoffs, as you mentioned. To top it, I am also worried about his
    extra-point kicks, did anyone notice that he kicks them pretty low to the
    point where they can get blocked?

    Malik....
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: run defenses...
Keywords: \
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:22:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov9.172218.24828
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


did you know...

that the buffalo defense has not alllowed a single 100yard rusher this
season?  how many other teams have not had a 100 yard rusher against
their D yet this season?  i know Philly was okay until emmit smith ran
for 167 two weekends ago...


jason
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: SEAHAWKS MAILING LIST COMPLETE
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:38:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


The following is the completed mailing list.
I am only aware of one incorrect address, so if Richard in Newcastle can
write to me with the correct address.....
As far as I know all the others are correct.

If you wish to be added then simply write to me.

Seahawks = Seattle Seahawks = Jay, Don, Jim, Richard, Brian,
                              Rob, Dale, Mehawk, Dave, JP, Steven,
                              steve,steveM,bobc,mikel,jeffs,
                              howards,Ericj,wayned,rossy,markp

Jay = Jay Wade = JLW154@EDU.PSU.PSUVM
Don = Don Sowell = quendor@edu.washington.u
Jim = Jim Privat = jimp%com.hp.mayfield.hpwss401@uk.co.hewlett-packard.hpl
Richard = Richard Malcom = R.C.Malcom@uk.ac.newcastle  -  ??
Brian = Brian Kendrick = bgk2001@edu.bgsu.andy
Rob = Rob = Stretz@edu.washington.u
Dale = Dale Stephenson = steph@cs.uiuc.edu
mehawk = Alex Amsel = A.J.Amsel@uk.ac.ex.cen
Dave = Dave Jorgan = jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu
JP = J P Northcote = pnorthco@cs.strath.ac.uk
Steven = Todman = v050j5h4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
steve = Steve = steves@edu.wwu.cc.henson
steveM = Steve Mansfield = smm@uunet.uu.net
bobc = Bob Carragher = carraghe@cs.ucsd.edu
mikel = Mike Loucks = loucks@hoshi.colorado.edu
jeffs = Jeff Seale = jeff@edu.wustl.grserv
howards = Howard Schultz = hcs%adpgate@com.mot.mcd.urbana
Ericj = Eric Jaderland = jade@triton.unm.edu
wayned = Wayne Dimaline = UGG00213@VM.UOGUELPH.CA
rossg = Ross`s group = seahawks@maple.informix.com
markp = Mark Purtill = purtill@ccr-p.ida.org

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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.222403.20453@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes...
>In article <1992Nov5.172532.8855@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>> In <MITCHELL.92Nov3150635@ishmael.linus.mitre.org> mitchell@linus.mitre.org (Richard B. Mitchell) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >In article <1992Nov3.183621.16095@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>> 
>> Miami in first but you can look at it another way.  The Bills play the Fish
>> on MNF.  As long as they both win or both lose, the teams will be tied.  So no
>> matter who has the official tiebreaker now, the winner of that game will be   
>> in sole possession of 1st place.  Until then, each team can consider itself
>> in "1st" place because they each control their own destiny.
> 
> 
>This is warped thinking and strange logic; even for rsfp. 
> 
> 
>-- 
>Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
>Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks

Actually it makes alot of sense. :) I think what he was trying to convey is
that the Dolphins are in first place in the division and come Midnight on 
Nov 16 they will still be in first place with a tie-breaker in their favor.
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys Versus 9ers
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:46:39 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1ds7iiINNapl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>In article <BxKrI8.FKs@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>|
>...
>|Again, I will give the edge to the 9ers against the Cowboys
>|and I feel that the SF will win its 5th SB.
>|
>|Where does it leave the Vikes and the Saints. I honestly
>|feel that both these teams do not have the offence to
>|make it deep into the playoffs.
>
>The saints will win against the niners on sunday, since they have a
>more consistent, if inferior team. If you think the niners can make it
>to the superbowl, you should be equally nice to the Saints.
>
>                                        All comments  are mine---(David Wright)
                                                 david@cats.ucsc.edu.


The only real consistency the Saints have is their defense. I myself
have said that defense often wins games. However, a team also needs
offense to score points.  You'd be a fool if you thought that the
Saint's offense can keep pace with the Niner's offense for four
quarters.
The Saints couldn't beat the 49ers in week #4 in N.O. What makes you
think that they will be able to beat a more productive offense while
playing in enemy territory?
I'm not going as far as to guarantee a Niner victory, but I wouldn't
encourage somebody to bet in favor of Saints.

                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Neil Anderson & Other Benched for Bears ?
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:41:21 GMT

In article <10960@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> krodden@cs.strath.ac.uk (Kerry Rodden CS92) writes:

   But Mark Carrier is a surprise - maybe Ditka just wants to shake everyone
   else up by showing he's even willing to bench a *Pro Bowler* - it wouldn't
   surprise me!!  But Ditka can do whatever he likes as long as it WORKS -
   I don't think I can handle 4-6 and especially not after playing the Bucs!


Actually, locally, I thought the Carrier move was much less of a surprise
than Anderson being replaced.  Neil hasn't had a bad year, Lewis took the job
away from him.  Given Ditka's hommage to vets, I expected Lewis to pick up
more time but not start.  On the otherhand, Ditka has been dogging Mark in
the news for a few weeks now.  How many picks does the guy have?  If there
were going to be D shakeups, Carrier was one that he telegraphed.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 10/19/92
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:46:26 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct27.220221.26494@aquila.sni-usa.com>, chen@aquila.sni-usa.com (Ray Chen) writes:
> In article <26737@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
> }
> } >It seems like Ryp has lost the strength of his arm. The routine long
> } >bombs he threw last year have become wounded ducks. Besides the two 
> } >plays you mentioned above, he also underthrew several TD passes in 
> } >the Broncos game, ........

	Then explain why he overthrows Sanders and Clark so often.

> }Yeah, that's because Rypien missed most of the training camp on account 
> }of his contract holdout.  He still hasn't reached his level yet, but
> }he sure is getting there.  Rypien is now playing at the level that he
> }should have been in the first/second game.  A few more games and he'll 
> }be back at his level.
> 
	I hope not!!  His level is what he is playing at right now.

> I agree with this assessment.  He's shown a steady improvement each game.
> In the Eagles and Vikings games, while his accuracy wasn't completely
> up to par, he at least was making the right decisions and releasing the
> ball at the proper time.  That wasn't the case earlier.
> 
> This by the way is the best example I've seen about the effects of
> holding out.  I think Rypien's holdout cost the Skins two losses.
> Had he been sharp and ready, I don't think we would have lost the
> Cowboys game and we sure as hell would not have lost the Cardinals game.
> 
> Note that I'm not blaming Rypien.  He took a gamble last year going
> with that one year contract and I think he should be rewarded.  If he'd
> blown it, he would have been out of there so fast it'd make your head
> spin.
> 
> 	Ray Chen
> 	chen@sni-usa.com
> -- 
> S I E M E N S    Raymond C. Chen, Ph.D.   email:  chen@sni-usa.com
> -------------    4 Cambridge Center       Tel: (617) 864-0066
> N I X D O R F    Cambridge, MA 02142      Fax: (617) 864-3176
>     SNI          USA                      uucp:  ...!uunet!sni-usa!chen

	What are you guys smoking???  I want some!!!  Mark Rypien last year was
an aberration!!!  Give 9 out of 10 pro QBs 6 seconds to throw the ball every
time, 3 pro bowl caliber WRs, a super running  game, and a really good defense,
along with phenominally good special teams and they'll get the same, if not
better results!!!  This guy has been screwing things up for the skins for
years, and he stopped last year, and has gone back to his old ways this season.
I laughed hardily last year when Bradshaw and Co. called him "the best deep
passer in the game".  This guy is a toned down jay Shroeder.
	-Skins fan that thinks Ryp Sux Rox
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Welcome Oilers to Viking-Land..
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <BxFKzF.6r6@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes...

>To the Oilers form a Vikes/Browns Fan...
> 
>Welcome Oilers Welcome...
>U have welcomed everyone to ur HOUSE OF PAIN..
>Now Welcome to the HOUSE OF NO GAIN for opposing offences.
>Welcome, to the No.1 defence against the pass.
>Welcome to be battered and bruised by a super-D that relishes 
>the pass attack.
>Welcome for the MOON TO BE ECLIPSED, abused, beaten and terrorized
>by the Doleman, Noga & Co.
>Welcome to be taught a lesson for opening ur mouths too loud at
>the beginning of each season.
>Welcome for the Browns to be helped by the Vikes.
>Welcome to be suucessively defeated by the Brownies and the Vikes.
> 
>STATUTORY ANTI-WOOF:
>The Loud mouthed Oilers will beat the Vikes 55-0 and go 12-4
>and win the Super Bowl.

Ahh, this last bit isn't quite gonna cut it.  You *will* still look 
foolish if the Oilers beat the Vikings.  Just as the fans of any 
number of other teams looked stupid when their team, inevitably, bit 
the big one.

And the Vikings will bite it a couple of times yet this year.

JGH
From: yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions Stats Wk 10 (THESE ARE STATS??)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:54:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Calgary

In article <BILLMS.92Nov10103445@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu
(William Mangione-Smith) wrote:
> 
> In article <92315.094644343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> 
> 
>      Kramer has been getting more and more playing time each week,
>    and may be slotted for a start next week after Pete's concussion.
> 
> I think Wayne has done a good job, for the most part, but playing Kramer is
> idiotic.  The guy is possibly a solid backup, particularly if the line is
> rebuilt next year.  But we still keep hearing that Andre has some potential.
> On Sunday there was almost half the game left (well game time at least, the
> game itself was long over) when Rodney went out.  Wayne should have thrown
> Andre in and guaranteed him the rest of the game, barring injuries.  
> 
> This season is a loss, and Eric will be back next year.  Lets give Andre a
> solid chance to prove wether he should be too.
> 
> Bill
> --
> -------------------------------
> 	Bill Mangione-Smith
> 	billms@eecs.umich.edu

I thought I heard Madden/Summerall mention that Andre was inactive and the
only way he could play was if both QB's went down. Also, if he went in,
none of the starting quarterbacks could come back in. 

I guess they could have faked an injury to Kramer and let Ware play but I
don't think Kramer would have been too happy about that. If the Lions
wanted to look at Ware, they should have activated him.

-Dave
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills D
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:12:16 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <t_trunc.13@chips.bash.edu> t_trunc@chips.bash.edu (Tursiops Truncatus) writes:


>
>But you forget the great Chips tradition of choking at the most important 
>moments - of fighting among themselves - of miserable coaching - all the 
>things that go into making a team which has the best talent in the league 
>into a bunch of losers, year after year.
>
>>Just some thoughts......
>>Always think positive.
>
>OK - the Chips will POSITIVELY not be in the SuperBowl this year!
>
>TT
>
>Tursiops Truncatus 

Did you take THE BET and THE BET II? Please do, so that you will not be
able to post after Nov 16th.

>*************************************************************************
>GREAT MOMENTS IN BUFFALO HISTORY:  Thurmon Thomas whines about not being 
>compared to Michael Jordan before the SuperBowl
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why was 1984 such an amazing year?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:11:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>   In case you didn't guess, we had on the teams he passed by :(
    
    Meant to say...we were one of the teams he passed by. Geez, it's been
    a long week. 

>   --salty
>
>
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lawrence Taylor
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:09:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <-vaqt7j@lynx.unm.edu>
jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (james webb) writes:

> 
> 	What's the deal with you Giants fans? The only mention of this that
> I saw was in a Packers fan game summary. Jeez, hazve some respect for the 
> greatest player your team will ever see.

You probably haven't heard much from Giant fans because we're rather in
a funk about it...that coupled with the ugly win against the Pack has
left this Giant fan with a bleak out look for the future of the team.
Sometimes people don't wish discuss an event that signals the end of an
era...an era where the Giants were one of the most feared teams in the
NFL...an era epitomized by LT.  I'm certain that most Giant fans are
currently reflecting on one of the most notable careers in modern
football with sadness and remorse and perhaps aren't up to talking
about it yet...LT will be sorely missed.  And as for your final
statement, I'm insulted (as I'm sure are most Giant fans are) by your
inference that since there is an absence of posts from Giant fans
concerning LT's injury that we some how lack respect for what LT has
meant to the Giants...perhaps if Dan Marino's career suddenly came to
an end tomorrow, you'd understand...

Here's a tip o' the hat LT...we love ya!

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Land of the Giants
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni)
Subject: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:03:52 GMT

Okay Football fans, things are really starting to take shape around the
league.  The winners of some of this week's games could very well determine
various Divisional Winners.  It is therefore time for the WIZARD to make
his weekly predictions.

PICK OF THE WEEK -           Houston  at  Minnesota       Minnesota by 14

					Minnesota has truly made a believer out of me.  They continue to show
why
     good defense wins ball games!  They haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher
all 
					season, or a 300 yard passer.  MOON - You're in trouble, her come the 
                               
     Purple People Eaters!  Best front seven in Football?

KEY MATCHUP'S -       New Orleans  at  San Fran           San Fran by 10

					San Fran's offense continues to dominate at all levels!  Waters
running      
     game gives way to big gain from Rice, Turner, and Jones.  If coverage
by  
     Saints is good, Young might have fun!

																						Buffalo  at Miami                  Buffalo by 20

				 Buffalo hasn't lost to the same team 2 times in the same season, since

     1987.  Revenge will play an important factor!  Buffalo has been quite 

     successful in the past in Joe Robie.  Buffalo Crushes  37 - 17

UPSET SPECIAL -        San Diego  at Cleveland           San Diego by 7

					Cleveland traditionally lives or dies off the run.  San Diego has the
best
     run defense in the league.  Look for San Diego to Charge into the Dog
Pound
     and win in a defensive struggle.


COMMENTS WELCOME !
                                                     - WIZARD
-
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Nickname for Three Rivers Stadium
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:46:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


 
> |> Cleveland Browns play in the Dawg Pound and Cleveland is infamous for being
> |> 	a dirty, dumpy place (no offense meant--that's its rep)
> 
> Maybe so, but the Dawg Pound got its name from the "Dawg Defense" of the late
> 80s, christened I believe by Frank Minnifield or Hanford Dixon.  I think the
> name at first referred to the secondary, which was good at "dogging"
> receivers.

Well, I'm not 100?% sure this is true.  Isn't the Brown's mascot a bulldog?  I
always thought that it came from this fact, and the Cleveland accent, not from
the defense.  Didn't the nickname exist before the 80's?  I thought it had
always been there.  Again, this is not something I'm 100% sure of.
> |> 
> |> and now....
> |> 
> |> Pittsburgh Steelers play in the Blast Furnace and Pittsburgh is known for
> |> 	its steel mills
> |> 
> |> sounds pretty good to me! :)
> |> 
> |> --Vernon.
> 
Blast Furnace sounds so dippy!  I hate it.  If you're going to come up with a
nickname, come up with one that is catchy.  Blast furnace sounds so dippy.
	-Skins fan that hopes RFK stays being  called RFK.
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff picture
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:59:22 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <lfsjotINNj9f@cronkite> nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI) writes:

>>                      5) K.C.

>Though they will surely find a way to get out the this picture, having the
>same record as the Oilers the Chiefs should at least get them a mention.

well... there they are at #5

jason