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From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Need Help With Ick!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:54:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.195448.13785
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct8.154617.1092@den.mmc.com> snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Newell) writes:
>I may be totally off here, but I was told at fish store that anything
>that puts aniline (methylyn blue?) in the water is harmful to your
>bottom feeders, ie loaches, catfish, plecos, etc.

I do not find  this to be the case and have used Methylen Blue in a number of
ways for ages.  MB is often mixed with Malachite Green, a copper salt, and
oxalic acid to make ich medication.  MG is extremely toxic to many fish and
to plants.
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: graue@andy.bgsu.edu (Louis Graue)
Subject: Softened water & plants
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:00:17 GMT

I have read that using softened water to water plants causes problems.  I have
been having difficulty with the water plants in my fish tanks.  I have tried
several kinds and they do not seem to do well.  The water in my tanks is from
the tap and comes through a water softener from a well.  I do add fertilizer
recommended for plants in a fish tank.  I would like to hear from someone
who knows whether or not the softened water is  bad for the plants.

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: Water changes
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:01:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: A

I have a 110-gallon tank about 3 weeks old with a number of fish in it and a Fluval 403
filter.  Ocassionaly I dump "Cycle" in it.  Does this really have a 
beneficial effect?

Should I begin to do weekly water changes, or is it to early?  One recent
post suggested that water changes should not be done on a young tank because
it will deprive bacteria of nutrients.  When is the best time to start
water changes for a new tank?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Subject: Re: otocinclus (sp?) in trouble
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:39:28 GMT
Summary: Not!

In article <1992Oct6.185412.25012@hsv3.lsil.com> mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>In article <5207@daily-planet.concordia.ca> rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark) writes:
>>Masaki: Otocinclus flexilis is from southern Brazil, and it mimics
>>Corydoras paleatus. This enables the Oto cat to easily paratisize
>>other fishes (including the Cory.) by stripping off the fishes body
>>mucus. It is also an avid plant eater (!). Grows to 50 mm SL.
>
>This sounds like the infamous, dreaded "Chinese Algae Eater" that
>dime store fish sellers inflict on unsuspecting beginners.

That fish really does originate in China. My friend's father, who grew up
in China, said they get to around 18" and are eaten for food. The scientific
name escapes me, but I believe it begins with a G. It definitely is *not*
from south america, nor is it generally a desirable fish for any tank.
>
Further, lately I've seen manufactured crosses between that fish and the
'Flying Fox' (Epalezorynchus something.) Uggh. Pretty revolting, but not
nearly so as the 'parrot cichlid,' which showed up in a local pet shop and
surely looks like a badly screwed-up lionhead goldfish. Someone told me
they were severely mutated severums being bred in Singapore. Uggh. Don't buy
them.
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From: johnmc@btree.uucp (John McCaffrey)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:53:01 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation
Subject: (M) Retrofitting hood with Metal Halide
Distribution: na




I've got a Tru-Vu 40 gal fish-only tank that I'm planning to convert to
a mini-reef.  I'd like to keep the canopy I've got which was made for
this tank.  The canopy is 36"X15"X5" but the clearance between the top
of the tank and the top of the hood is 4".  Is this enough room for one
175W Metal Halide fixture?

I would also install a 3-4" fan in one end with a vent in the other.
Would this be sufficient to remove all the heat?

Is this a Metal Halide pipe dream?  Should I stick with flourescent?


John McCaffrey                              Brooktree Corporation
Internet: btree!johnmc@ucsd.edu             San Diego, California
UUCP:     ...ucsd!btree!johnmc
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: [ALL] Use of Headers in posts
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:49:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23867
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <92286.113659HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>PLEASE save us all time from having to sort through posts that don't
>pertain to an individualsaquarium keeping preferences and use [F], [M],
>[REEF],[DISCUS], whatever...

Nooooooooooo!

Please use (M), (F), and so on.  Some of our brain-dead  newsreaders
aren't bright enough to deal with brackets in the header, and we can't
kill all those [M], [Salt], [Reef], and so on articles that we don't care
about,and some of you marine folks can't get rid of all those
boring, old-hat [F] and [Beginner-F] articles that continually parade
before you.
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  defense of     *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
 liberty is no vice.  *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Question about people who have questions about algae problems [F]
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:59:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvtJJo.Ls9
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wmack@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William J Mack) writes:
>I always respond the same way, "Do you have a pleco?" (curse...ha!).

My SO (who tolerates fish in general) will not tolerate Plecos.  She
says they give her nightmares.  So, I scrape.  Actually, I was thinking
about some live food cultures that would clean up the water, and then be
a treat for my fish.  (My Goldfish love it when they see the magnet
scraper entering the water).

Frank Fujita
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky)
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Keywords: Lucky Charms
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:39:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.164530.23724@ultb.isc.rit.edu> healthy@nick.csh.rit.edu (mdmh von healthy) writes:
>>
>># Chris
>>And I wish that I'd had one just yesterday.  I didn't even post that
>>and then the next day.... SH*T!  It was dead!
>>Jon
>
>Mine just bought it... (sob)
>mdmh
>
What the *&@@#$ do you guys do to these fish??  I have never had one of
these suckers die on me.  They are indistructable!!  They beat up on
my Jewel Chiclid!!!!  The only fish more indistructable is the
Australian Rainbow that decided it wanted to tour my basement floar for
an hour or so.
-- 
     ||  // // ,'/~~\'   Fred Kratky		fred@mks.com 
    /||/// //|' `\\\     Mortice Kern Systems Inc.     (519) 884-2251
   / | //_// ||\___/     35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ont., Can. N2J 2W9
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From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fastest Fish??
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:06:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182916.17723@news.nd.edu> James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim  
Pinkelman) writes:
> Athough this is not a real acquarium question . . .
> 
> Does anyone know what the fastest fish in the ocean is?
> 
> Thanks

It's the Barracude man!! 440 motor, 4 speed, dual quads, that fish really 
honks =8^)

--
**********************************************************
Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: [ALL] Use of Headers in posts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:58:43 GMT

In article <92288.222023ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>Many of us don't use UNIX machines, and many of us
>don't have those funny square barckets ([,]) as characters on our
>keyboards. (Yes, EBCDIC is alive and well on the 3090's). If you use

Hmmm.. how do you type "[" if you don't have a "[" on your 
keyboard! <just a joke!>

I always get this confused even though I've been reading this group 
for 3 years now... should we use "()" or "{}" or "[]"?


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--------pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu----(614) 621-8240----------------
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3rd year medical student		          who needs anemones?"
The Ohio State U. College of Medicine   Tobacco Kills- Please don't smoke!
From: awhj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Tom Fredericks)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: [ALL]Ancient Powerfilter Help
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:50:23 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Oct12.214059.10469@bsu-ucs.uucp>,
01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes: 
> Does anyone remember the Dynaflow series of power filters?  I have aquaried an
> old Dynaflow 3 (the large(r) size perhaps?) and bought the closest fitting
> filter cartridge I could find.  I'm fairly confident it's the wrong one, as
> water flows over it (media too dense?) and it is tapered at the bottom so water
> is allowed to flow around it too (but not too much).  Has anyone seen
> proper-fitting cartridges for sale as of late?  I've seen some for sale for the
> Dynaflow 150, but these are definately too small.  I'd guess these are for a
> different series of Dynaflow.   Anywho....any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> 				-Matt McCabe
> 				 Ball State Univ.
> 
> P.S.  Also, what about a replacement impeller motor.  I've never seen anything
> but Whisper brand replacements for sale.  Definately not compatible.

Why bother with cartridges at all?  Just use bulk filter floss like in the old
days.  Buy a bag of 100% Dacron polyester fiber pillow stuffing (identical to
filter floss but usually cheaper.)  Grab a hunk and spread it out in the box
a couple of inches thick.  Away you go.  As for impellers (you said impeller
motors, I'm assuming you meant impeller,) I don't know of any sources.  Keep
your eyes open for dynaflows at garage sales, etc as the impeller in all models
(I believe) is the same.

  - Tom Fredericks
    Ithaca, New York
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fastest Fish??
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:28:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct14.202816.16545
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jim Pinkelman (James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu) wrote:
: Athough this is not a real acquarium question . . .
: 
: Does anyone know what the fastest fish in the ocean is?

I should know this, having just read _The Living Planet_ (this
factoid appears in there...).  Tuna are probably the fastest
over a long distance, but that isn't what you want, I don't
think.  If I'm mentally together, I'll check on it tonight.
FWIW, the quickest-moving aquatic critter would be the mantis shrimp.

Saw a terribly cool National Geographic on them.  I hadn't
realized from reading this group that mantis shrimp come in
two varieties - "thumpers" and "spearers" (or something equally
scientific).  The spearers are the ones we are all familiar
with - claws with which they snatch/spear their prey.  Thumpers
are equipped with club-like claws, and strike their prey with
them (as opposed to spearing/snatching).  According to the
moderator, the force of a blow from one of these is just short
of a .22 caliber bullet.  Pretty wild, watching one of these
club a crab to death.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Question on Daphnia and Grindal worms
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.214708.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ig30@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>Does anyone know which species of Daphnia is larger, Daphnia Magna or Daphnia
>Pulex? 

D. magna is larger.

>Also, is culturing Grindal worms easy?

Once you get a handle on the right amounts of food to feed the worms (too
little and they do not flourish, too much and it funguses and rots,
endangering the worms) and find the right mix of peat and soil for your 
particular soil and peat chemistries, it should be a trivial matter.  
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Boret Heaters
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:02:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: end.cburns-081092110426
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Indiana University

In article <15967@umd5.umd.edu>, mwerling@snoopy.umd.edu (Michael T.
Werling) wrote:
> 
> In article <BvsBus.HMF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita) writes:
> >Along a related note, does anybody know where to buy <25w heaters?  My
> >wife loves bettas and I can't have them in my tanks, and winter is
> >comming.  I've heard that a 25W is about 5 times too big for a 2 gallon
> >tank.  So, where are the microheaters?
> >Frank Fujita
> 
>

I've seen smaller heaters listed in MO catalogues, but there's nothing
wrong with using a 25W heater in a 2.5G tank.  Ok, its overkill, but so
what.  I had 3 2.5G betta tanks with a 25W visitherm in each.  It worked
fine.  The only problem with buying a heater that is more powerful than
necessary is that you may be wasting money, but the fish won't care.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Single Species Tanks
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:45:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.200954.298@wam.umd.edu> dougo@wam.umd.edu (Douglas Bruce Olson) writes:
>ALL fish in a fish store look >better than what you've got.

Really?  A well-kept fish in a well-kept planted tank will look a hell of a
lot better than it ever could in a dealer tank, unless it's the fish in the
dealer's own planted show tank.

>	All saltwater fish look good when you've got a freshwater >tank.

You must have never seen a killifish in full spawning garb.  Or a school of
breeder-size and breeder-quality tiger barbs.  Or a pair of cichlids
guarding their nest. And so on.  Many reef fish are indeed quite beautiful,
but don't knock fresh water fish.  There is plenty of gems among them once
you learn to see past the plastic plants, bubbling treasure chests, painted
glass fish,  veil-tail oscars, pearscale angels, albino tiger barbs, and 
other fluff.  
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: dougo@wam.umd.edu (Douglas Bruce Olson)
Subject: Re: Single Species Tanks
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.044525.3080@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.200954.298@wam.umd.edu> dougo@wam.umd.edu (Douglas Bruce Olson) writes:
>>ALL fish in a fish store look >better than what you've got.
>
>Really?  A well-kept fish in a well-kept planted tank will look a hell of a
>lot better than it ever could in a dealer tank, unless it's the fish in the
>dealer's own planted show tank.

	No! I don't think you understood. It's not the fish as they appear
in a tank, just that all fish appear better than the ones that you have.
Call it the "I gotta have that new fish" syndrome.

>>	All saltwater fish look good when you've got a freshwater >tank.
>
>You must have never seen a killifish in full spawning garb.  Or a school of
>breeder-size and breeder-quality tiger barbs.  Or a pair of cichlids
>guarding their nest. And so on.  Many reef fish are indeed quite beautiful,
>but don't knock fresh water fish.  There is plenty of gems among them once
>you learn to see past the plastic plants, bubbling treasure chests, painted
>glass fish,  veil-tail oscars, pearscale angels, albino tiger barbs, and 
>other fluff.  

	I like albinos! I LOVE albinos. I don't like plastic. No, again,
it's just the temptation that my girlfriend and I feel when we look at the
seahorses and the various eel like animals, and such. 
	It's the thought of something you CAN'T have. It just naturally 
looks better.


Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel)
Subject: Re: Big Air Pumps
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:10:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

In article <cburns-081092113314@end.chem.indiana.edu> cburns@ucs.indiana.edu (Chris Burns) writes:
>I'm looking for an air pump to drive many tanks.  I've not got so many that
>a blower would be a good way to go, ....

There may be another way to go.  Drive an automotive smog pump with 
a 1/4 horse or smaller motor.  The noise is about the same as a blower 
(I put mine outside) and it will deliver all the air you can use.

Smog pumps can be had at Checker Auto for about $40.  Small motors 
can be found at surplus outlets for about $10.  
-- 
Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com 

Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,misc.forsale,ne.forsale,mit.bboard,athena.forsale
From: glee@athena.mit.edu (Gilbert Huppert)
Subject: [M] Hardware for sale
Followup-To: alt.aquaria
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:17:29 GMT

For those of you who read the other article on reef creatures for sale, 
all the livestock has been sold, as well as the tank and major portions 
of the filtration.  We are willing to ship the remainder, if you are willing
to pay shipping.

Here is what is available:
	
	25 W aquanetics UV sterilizer.  Originally cost $129. Will sell for $75
	  (only used for a total of 4 hours.  Yes, it still works fine)

	3 lifeguard modules for filtration (chemical, mechanical and heater).
	  Original cost was about $80.  Will sell for $50, or with the UV,
	  as a quad unit, for $110.

	20 Gallon tank, perfect for a filter sump.  WILL NOT SHIP.  This is
	  not worth that much any more, may still have some sealant from use
	  as a filter.  Will sell for $15.
	
	High grade filter carbon, great for use with the lifeguard.  About 
	  1 gallon total. Will sell for $10
	
	Various dried fish foods.  If you need fish food, I'll get you more
	  information.  Will sell these for 1/2 the mail order price, plus
	  shipping.  
	
	Black Thunder Protein skimmer (from DLS Aquatics).  This is a pseudo-
	  venturi skimmer, with a custom drilled 802 powerhead.  Works very
	  well for a 55, 70 or 90 gallon tank.  Original cost was $139.  Will
	  sell for $80.

Please call me at (617) 253-8912 or reply via EMAIL.



--
Gilbert Lee Huppert (glee@athena.mit.edu)
Materials Etching Technology Laboratory
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:44:25 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Fred Kratky (fred@mks.com) wrote:
: What the *&@@#$ do you guys do to these fish??  I have never had one of
: these suckers die on me.  They are indistructable!!  They beat up on
: my Jewel Chiclid!!!!  The only fish more indistructable is the
: Australian Rainbow that decided it wanted to tour my basement floar for
: an hour or so.

Well, Fred, if you were *really* so confident in your plecos' health,
you would have said "pleco".  You didn't, and we all know why... :-)

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
From: dave@genghis.borland.com (Dave Draper)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: dir/reg
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:40:20 GMT
Organization: Borland International
Originator: dave@genghis.borland.com

In article <1992Oct14.161452.2256@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>Hi...I have been reading the discussion of the crabs and after
>reading the note about the Oscars and the crabs, I was a bit confused
>as to which you were saying would damage your plants.
>
>Are Oscars known to destroy live plants?  Or crabs?
>

I have never kept crabs but my Oscars will uproot a live plant in about
30 seconds and eventually completely destroy the thing in a couple of days.
They seem to enjoy ripping plants out of the gravel faster than I can put
them in.

No plants in my tanks with Oscars!

>I was just wondering.  *smile*  Thanks!
>
>Suzanne
>

- Dave
  Pacific Coast Cichlid Association
  Cichlasoma Study Group

-- 
Dave Draper
Senior Engineer - Debugger & Tools
Borland International
dave@borland.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: [M][All]New Technology
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:24:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.004426.10599@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Anyone heard of the completely computer-controlled, closed environment marine
>system being developed?  I can't remember off hand who's responsible for it
>(it's in one of my fish mag.'s), but it goes for some where in the neighborhood
>of $200,000 and occupies a rather large room.  It is sounds like a very

    At that price, I'd bet Albert Theil has something to do with it!

>significant jump in the Marine fishkeeping hobby, because this system is
>supposed to make breeding of marine fish much more possible.   I guess several
>species never before bred in captivity have been bred in this system.   
>Anyone?  (I'm gonna try to find where I read the specifics.:] )

    It *does* sound interesting.  Please post what you find out.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
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From: PLai@cup.portal.com (Patrick L Faith)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: (F) Discus Delight and the Turkey Heart Debate
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:09:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Marc Weiss (a major discus seller/breeder) wrote a series of article
in Aquarium Fish about Discuss.  In one of these articles he wrote:

  Those who are making these claims have come out with competing
  turkey heart diets that, for me, are too polluting and fatty to 
  even consider.

What I assume he is alluding to is Bay Brans Discus Delight (recommended
by Bernd Degen).  Perhaps I'm nieve, but I like most things Bernd Degen
puts out (i.e. books like tetra's DISCUS KING OF THE AQUARIUM ).  Perhaps
Degen is the most read discus writer in the united states - so what I was
woundering is Marc being a bit fanatical - or is their any truth in what
he is saying (perhaps he has a competing discus food ?).  Is turkey heart
really that fatening ? ... here is the ingredients to Discus Delight:

  Turkey Heart, Brine Shrimp, Vitamin Premix, Cod Liver Oil, Calcium,
  Lecithin, Phosphorus, Spirulina, Soy



  PLai
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