HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Subject: Rice and curry
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:30:58 GMT
Reply_to: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY

 In my endless ponderings over the ills of my homeland
and possible solutions I sometimes used to blame our food
habits for some of our problems. Growing up in a christian
family in central travancore our normal daily diet used to 
consist of some rice based preparation in the morning  for 
breakfast ( Puttu, idiappom --- and occasionaly dosa or idli)
rice and curries for lunch, an afternoon snack ( nalu
manicku), followed by rice and curry for dinner. There was no
diffrence between lunch and dinner in the sense that both were
heavy full meals. Fish used to be there on most days but meat
was mostly reserved for sundays since that was when it was
available. Chickens were reserved for guests but eggs and milk
were used as available without any restriction. I remember how
lethargic I used to feel after the heavy breakfast and lunch
and how the afternoon nap was a favorite pasttime after the
heavy lunch. There is no doubt that part of the inefficiency 
in our home land is due to their dietry habits.

   As I grew up I became aware of the need for balanced diet
and lack of protein in our food. So after coming to this
country I tried to break away from the dependency on rice and
curry and tried to catch up with the meat and potato culture.
I still have rice and curry for dinner since that is what I
like. Recently I watched a PBS show called 'eating right'
and that is the reason I am writing this now. The show was
based on a study headed by one 'Sushma Palmer' form George
town University. This study did a comparative study of the
various research reports on food habits and their conclusion
was clear. According to them the high incidents of heart 
diseases and cancer in the US is due to their food habits and
dietary habits. The Americans were taught in the 30's to 
place a heavy emphasis on the four food groups and the need
for a balanced diet. As a result of this their diet constist 
of a large amount of unsaturated  fats.

 The advise was to plan your diet around some whole grain
like rice and cut down meat. Yes - rice and curry and meat only
on Sundays. So move over meat and potato, rice and curry is in

 Dominic
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From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Calling her names.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:48:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: "Paul C. Chemmanoor" <tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1] I think even this practice of calling husbands 'chetta' is 
   a recent one. Certainly in my mothers generation women used 
   one level of indirection to refer to the husband.

   My dad was always 'Paulinde appan' or literally: Pauls father.
   when my mom referred to him in front of others. When this 
   mechanism would not work she would resort to calling him
   various wildcard names such as 'moopare', 'pulli' or 
   'avire' which would automaticlaly point to dad from context.
   
   I presume that mom called dad by his name with a 'chettan' suffixed
   to it when nothing else would work and before I was born and hence
   provided her with an indirection reference :-)

  
2] This I think is only a more obvious expression of the extreme 
   reluctance of people to express affection in public in kerala.
   In guruvayoor, trichur, my home town, husbands and wives did not even 
   go to church together, but along with segregated groups of men and women.
   Is this just an abherration of one place or is it widespread in kerala ?
   Kind of being frozen in the middle ages.

3] Personally, I do not find 'chetta' a very strange term for a husband.
   This may sound radical but I think the husband/wife relationship is 
   a meta- brother/younger sister relation. Other than physical intimacy 
   and the
   fellings of possesiveness associated with it, I do not see any 
   major difference in terms of personal interaction. In traditional
   marriages in kerala and India in general, the husband was in a protective
   role and 'took care' and responsibility of the wife. This becomes more
   obvious when we consider the age differences that were usual in 
   keralite marriages. The girl would be much younger than the husband
   and this age diference itself would enforce some of the imbalance 
   in the scheme of things. 

   I think women should start calling their husbands by name, after all
   the very nature of marriages in kerala and all over India is changing
   with the equality that automatically gets introduced into a marriage 
    because of financial independance and education.

   I also think society should gradually get used to teh idea of public
   show of affection like holding hands or whatever without inviting
   stupid remarks from people.


   But then I never lacked in opinions. :-)

   Paul Chemmanoor.

   

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From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Acksharam/KairaLi: The a.c.k. Magazine, Invites Articles from you.
Date: 22 Dec 1992 10:45:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Acksharam/KairaLi: The a.c.k Magazine, Invites Articles from you. 
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The magazine of the news group alt.culture.kerala invites articles 
for net publication in its innaugral issue to be released on Jan 31, 93.

The primary focus of the magazine will be on kerala and its culture.
However we invite articles that are relevant to Indian society in general
and kerala society in particular. 
We hope we can attract the best writing talent available on the net
for the fiction to be net published in Acksharam/KairaLi (a/k).

Kerala and malayalam have a rich literary heritage, 4 sahitya academi
awards going to malayalam in the past years. We hope a/k will reflect
the high place that kerala and malayaalis gives to the written word.



The format of a/k will be :

(1) Editorial.
(2) Articles on current topics.
(3) News from Kerala.
(4) Fiction- Poetry.
(5) Fiction- Prose.
(6) Humour.
(7) Travelogues.


The Editorial will be written by the a/k commitee (a/k:com).

Articles on current topics are invited from the net.public.
These articles will be from 100 lines to 500 lines.
Examples of topics:
(i) Secularism and Kerala.
(ii) Trade Unions and Economy.
(iii) Socialism.
(iv) Cultural change.
etc.

News on Kerala is invited from all sources. Proper source
must be given along with name and address.

The Fiction in Malayalam/English can be a translation of an existing
work in malayalam into english or an original composition in english.
Here the topic does not have to be kerala.
The same applies for humour.

The travelogues are recountings of journeys made in Kerala.


To facilitiate planning of the magazine, people who think they
have something to contribute in terms of articles can make a 
pledge to the a/k:com and send in the actual article later.

IMPORTANT: Those leaving on vacations for kerala please keep
a/k in mind, keep your eyes and ears open so that you can come back and 
tell us about the trip and news from home.


For any information about a/k or for pledging contributions
or sending in articles send mail to any member of the commitee.

Sincerely,

            The a/k: commitee.
Santy Kumar --     skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu   ,
Mathai Chundat --  mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu  ,
Donald Kailath --  kailath@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com ,
Jacob Thomas --    jacobt@nynexst.com  ,
Paul Chemmanoor -- paulchem@tigger.cs.colorado.edu .






Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: thekkath@june.cs.washington.edu (Chandramohan Thekkath)
Subject: Re: keeping ack trash-free)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:15:59 GMT

Before things get out of hand, I would like to point out that
deluging the authors of the Hindu Digest with mail is not very politic.
They could, in turn, bombard ack with garbage. It doesn't take a whole
lot of work to write a program that keeps sending random garbage to 
a newsgroup. This volume of traffic, apart from being detrimental to
the Internet, could probably cause sysadmins remove ack from their
sites. As things stand now, the Hindu Digest is a minor irritant; let us
not escalate the situation at the cost of ack. I for one, would like
to see ack living for a while longer.
-- 
		    thekkath@cs.washington.edu
    {rutgers,cornell,ucsd,ubc-cs,tektronix}!uw-beaver!june!thekkath
From: subbu@lynx.com (K. K. Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: buddhists etc.
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:53:16 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

vallath@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar) speculates that:
>Kannagi's story (Shilappadikaaram) was Ilango-v-Adigal, a
>Jain, and Ilango
>could refer to Ilanka, the Tamil (and probably old Malayalam)
>way of saying Lanka.  And Buddhism was (and still is) popular
>in Sri Lanka.
>
The poets name is iLango-adigal, where iLango (iLam - young, ko - king)
means a prince.  It could be a reference to Prince Gautama, who later became
Buddha.  The name just means a devotee of iLango.  The tamil for Sri Lanka
is ilangai (note 'l' and not 'L').

my 2c worth,
subbu
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Posting tips.
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:30:07 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <Pine.3.02.9212231458.A20795-d100000@gwunix1.gwu.edu>
tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor) writes: 

[suggestion regarding posting style deleted]


>10] The final rule is to re-read your article for
>    internal consistency, precision, tone and logical 
>    progression before posting. 

this is probably the most important one. something i find detracting from
most posts is insistency, and meaningless rambling. 

11] trying to keep lines within 80 chars. this sounds like nitpicking, but i
find that i dont reda many article which overflow lines, and require me to
do more work to read them.
-- 
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(510)-226-2100 X3737 
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
and wrong.
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Any kadammanitta fans? ( NOT A FAN)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:22:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Thank you Eswaran, for quoting a few lines from Shanta. I like Malayalam
poetry because my dad has always liked it. Though I feel more at home
with Bengali poetry ( Jibananda Das, M. Madhusudan Dutt,.... ) and 
British poetry. Can anyone here suggest good translations of Malayalam
poetry that I should try to read?

Thanks,

Bijoy

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Bijoy Sagar            | Humpty dumpty was *PUSHED*
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu  | - I love conspiracy theories!
bijoy@geol.niu.edu     |
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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Chalachitra Lookam***
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:31:55 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


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	Movie			*ing			Comments
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Appu			Mohanlal,Nedumudi,Murali        **1/2
                     K.R.Vijaya,KPAC,Lalu Alex,         Does not have a Strong
                     Capt.Raju,Balan.K.Nair,            plot.
                     Janardhanan

Padiyathu : M.G. Sree Kumar,Sujatha
Dir: Dennis Joseph
Story, Screenplay,Dialouge: Sukumaran Thampi

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 Kadavu                Thilakan,Monisha,Nedumudi,       ****
                     Balan.K.Nair,Murali,Thikkurissi    Art movie,slow...

Story : S.K.Pottekkad

Dir,Screenplay: M.T.Vasudevan Nair
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Ellavarkkum            Ashokan,Manianpilla Raju,        **
Nanmakal               Sari,Soman,Innacent,Ragini       Predictable plot
                       Shanavaz,Adoor Basi,Capt.Raju    
Music: Ummar
Padiyathu : Yesudas,Jayachandran

Dir: Manoj babu
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Sargam                Vinneth,Jaganatha Verma,           ****1/2
                      Oduvil Unnikrishnan,Nedumudi       Excellent songs..Good
                      Shanthi Kumari,Renu,Amrutha        acting and Story.
                                                    
Music : Ravi Bombay
Padiyathu : Yesudas,Chitra
Story,Screenplay,Direction : Hariharan

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Rating on a scale from * to *****; where * is poor.

Have fun....

Merry Xmas and a Happy,Prosperous 1993

Peace

-rajesh
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Discussion about Amendment to the charter of a.c.k.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:10:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1] In the light of recent postings in a.c.k. of the "Hindu Digest."
   and the subsequent reactions that ackers had, and the response
   of the originators of the post, I feel we must make our positions clear.

2] Let me explain my stand.
   I have no objections to any religion or any religious organization per se.
   But I have learnt from seeing sci and other india-related newsgroups go to
   waste that religion and its propoganda are the seeds of destruction of
   a newsgroup. 
   I have absolutely no sympathy with postings of this nature from people
   of * any * religion, be it, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity or whatever
   else.
   It has nothing at all to do with Hinduism in particular.
   I will defend the existence and the right of alt.hindu to preach
   that religion at any time. It was created for that purpose.

   Alt.culture.kerala was not created for religious flame-wars.
   If it was not specifically mentioned in the charter, then we will
   modify that charter.

   I am proud of being a keralite.
   Because of many reasons, but the greatest of them is the
   great degree of harmony that existed and still exists among 
   diverse ethnic and religious groups in Kerala. That secular 
   attitude is what I presumed, and I think many other ackers take for 
   granted in a group created for kerala.

   Religion is a private affair.

2] Since I do not know if we have the majority with us, I request
   that those who do not approve of religious propaganda send a mail
   to paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu with
   'NO PROP' in the subject line.

   Those who do not agree with these sentiments can send a mail to
   paulchem@ucsu.colorado.edu with
   'YES PROP' in the subject line.

   Be sure to exercise your right to see what goes on in ack.   
This will set the trend for the future of ack and sck.

  I will post the results on saturday the ninth of december.
  Then we will know the general direction the majority wants to 
  go in. If the majority decides for allowing this kind of posting
  so be it. I will not argue against it.


3]  In the meantime, I would like to request that we stop discussing this
    on the net. We have already generated a lot of non-culture postings
   in the short span.
 
5] Thanking you for your attention.   Stay Cool.

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: azeez@csi.com (Abdulazeez Chollampattu)
Subject: Enne Pattee
Organization: Comdisco Systems Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:03:28 GMT


Hi Ackers,
Ellavarkum Puthuvalsarashamsakal!!.Let me introduce myself first,
 
Name: Azeez Chollampattu (Call me Azeez)
Date Of Birth: June 1st 1961
Education: BSc. Engg. (Electronics & Communication), TKM College Of Engineering,
           Quilon. 1978-1983.
           MSEE, LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1989-9191.
 
Worked for Electronics Research & Development Center, Vellayambalam,Trivandrum from 1984-1989.
 
Spouce : Shabeen Kottai, BSCE, Trichure Engineering College, 1983-1988
         MS(Environmental), LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1989-1991.
 
I am very much encouraged with the postings in alt.culture.kreala.
I use to read soc.culture.Indian regularly and fed up with all the garbage postings.
Strongly agree with all my fellow ackers to keep our news group clean. I saw that
postings from Hindu digest and my personal openion is not to allow those kind of postings
in ack. I think the ack editor should send a strong e-mail message to Hindu digest editor
indicating our objection to such kind of articles.
 
Nanni, Thalkalam Vida. Veendum Kanam.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Subject: Re: Kannagi story
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:41:02 GMT

In article <9212221716.AA00916@vishnu.LABS.TEK.COM> vallath@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar) writes:
> The last third of
>the story takes place in Vanchi, which is in Kerala.  (I know
>that there is a song in praise of the King of Travancore which
>goes "Vanchi Kripaalini, Vamsa ...", meaning the protector of
>Vanchi and the race, but Vanchi may be in central Kerala).
>
>Vallath N

Vanchinaad in its modern usage is the Thiruvithankoor state.
"vanchi nr~pAlaka vamsa Subhodaya" is a line in the charaNam of
the famous kIrtanam "pAhi parvatanandini" in Arabhi by MahAraja
swAti tirunAl of tiruvitAncUR. "vanchISwaran" was a term used
for the king of T. uLLUr S ParameSwarayyar praises the tiruvitAnkUr
nAd in umAkEraLAm as:

	neTiyamala kizhakkum nErezhAttAzhi mEkkum
	vaTivilelukayAyittanchiTum vanchi nATE
	aTiyanitaRiyikkAm abdhikAnchikky nIyE
	muTinaTuvil vilangum mukhyamAnikkyaratnam.

		[mAlini vr~ttam (nanamayayugameTTil taTTaNam mAlinikku)
			for those who care]

However, the vanchi referred to in chilappatikAram is probably the
town and port of tiruvanchikkuLam in ancient kEraLam, which is
supposed to be near today's kodungallUr.

PJN

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Subject: Population and area
Reply-To: aknair@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:42:46 GMT


***********************************************************************************
Population of Kerala: 25,453,680
Area                : 38860.57 sq km


DISTRICTS               AREA (sq km)            POPULATION
*****************************************************************
Trivandrum		2186.00			2,596,112
Quilon			2687.50			2,192,901
Alleppey		1360.58			1,865,580
Pathanamthitta		2518.98			1,107,658
Kottayam		2195.50			1,697,442
Idukki			5149.62			  969,292
Ernakulam		2358.19			2,535,294
Trichur			2993.90			2,439,543
Palghat			4389.80			2,044,399
Malappuram		3632.30			2,402,701
Kozhikode		2333.30			2,245,265
Wyanad			2125.60			  554,026
Cannanore		2968.00			1,930,223
Kasargod		1961.30			  872,741
*******************************************************************
Source: Malayala Manorama Year book 1989
*******************************************************************

I will try to get the latest census(1990 ?) figures,till then...


Ajit Nair
From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: name of the newsgroup
Date: 31 Dec 1992 17:02:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

	Is this so important a technicality? As long
as we understand what the newsgroup is about, is the
name really that important? 

	I guess it's like calling a wife "edee".

	There are people here who don't know Malayalam
at all. There are people who don't read the Malayalam
transliterations as it is lost on them. But all of us
have the enthusiasm to read about Kerala culture. And
THAT is the important factor that binds us together.
This of course is my very humble opinion.
	I am one of those who doesn't read the transliteration
as I sometimes cannot understand it. But I love the culture.
I am from Trivandrum. When I speak English, I call it
Trivandrum. When I speak Malayalam, I call it 
Thiruvananthapuram. To me, it doesn't make a difference
what it's called, as my home will always be there.
	And no, I am not being snobbish in not understanding
Malayalam. I really don't know the language. I learned it
only for 2 years. I did not grow up learning Malayalam.

TATA!
Sateesh
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who am I?	| Pasadena, CA 91125
		| (818) 564-1225
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Acksharam/KairaLi: The a.c.k. Magazine, Invites Articles from you.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:13:21 GMT
Expires: References: <Pine.3.02.9212221114.A11226-c100000@gwunix1.gwu.edu>
Reply_to: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY

In article <Pine.3.02.9212221114.A11226-c100000@gwunix1.gwu.edu> tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor) writes:
>
>Acksharam/KairaLi: The a.c.k Magazine, Invites Articles from you. 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>            The a/k: commitee.
>Santy Kumar --     skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu   ,
>Mathai Chundat --  mchundat@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu  ,
>Donald Kailath --  kailath@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com ,
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 The name is Dominic Kailath

>Jacob Thomas --    jacobt@nynexst.com  ,
>Paul Chemmanoor -- paulchem@tigger.cs.colorado.edu .
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ACKer profile.
Date: 22 Dec 1992 23:48:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Name : Bijoy sagar ( Varma)
DOB  : 05/25/68
Location : Dekalb I near chicago), IL
From   : Bombay
School : Somaiya, Bombay
B.Sc : Geology, St.Xaviers College, Bombay
M.Sc : Uni. of Bombay

I am doing my MS in environmental Geochemistry ( Groundwater pollution control)
at Northern Illinois Uni. and hope to graduate at the end of summer
next year.

Parents are from Tiruvalla, Kerala.

Languages besides English : bengali, Malayalam, Hindi, French.
Hobbies : Trekking, reading, MUCKing.......
Biggest interest on Kerala : similarities between Bengalis and Keralites.

Anyone from Lake Gardens/Bally Gunj/Alipore/Modern High School/ St.Xavier's/
Bombay/ONGC CRBC here???

Merry Christmas
-Bijoy