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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:19:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.111357.8942@ac.dal.ca> 01fortec@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Sorry if I goofed. I was under the following impressions:

>1 - The ship had been rerouted as part of a standing procedure in response
>to unidentified signals indicating lifeforms.

True, this is standing procedure.  However, the company knew before sending
them out there that the signal was there.

>2 - Ash was onboard as a last minute replacement and went snaky when his
>new assignment violated his "Asimov protocols".

Heh.  What makes you think that he has "Asimov protocols"?
I think the fact that people actually *expect* every robot, android, sentient
machine to follow Asimov's Laws says something about us....

Not sure *what*, exactly, but it does say something...

Besides, this is Ash, not HAL.

>I was assuming that his
>assignment was given as a result of the signal reception, not a pre-planned
>operation.

He was given this assignment because the company had received the signal.  They
wanted to know who was out there, so they put him on board and sent them
on their merry way, knowing that the ship would be re-routed and that they
would have to investigate.


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From: dachsel@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Prof. Klaus Madlener [Informatik])
Subject: BLACK HOLE Ending
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:04:41 GMT

Hi SF specialists,
I don't know whether this is a FAQ, or has been asked quite a while
ago. But could someone explain the ending of the Disney SF movie
BLACK HOLE to me? I remember someone saying that Dr. Reinhardt (sp?)
ended in hell, but what do the scenes mean after they enter the black
hole?
Please answer by e-mail to GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM, I'll summarize.
Regards,
Thomas
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Mail: dachsel@rhrk.uni-kl.de, gerthd@mvs.sas.com
Tel.: +49 6221 4150, +49 6203 12274
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From: geirj@hsr.no (Geir Friestad)
Subject: Re: Restored THE ABYSS coming out on LD!
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:13:06 GMT


> Yes.  It is unlikely they will do a video (or theatrical) release of this
> film, for the same reasons they didn't do so for the extended version of
> ALIENS.  Sorry.
> 
> 			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
> 			      jester@ihlpm.att.com

Huh? No ALIENS on video you say? You're wrong - it was released on video in
Europe. I have ut, and it's great!

       ////////   ///////    ////////   Geir Friestad, Norway
     ///        ///   ///  ///        Internet address for
    ///        ///   ///  ///        the brave ones :
    ////////   ///////    ////////  geirj@hsr.no

Reality is for people who can't face anime / Death to bootleggers!
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From: nigel@socs.uts.edu.au (Nigel Pearson)
Subject: Re: Deckard WAS a replicant!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:28:12 GMT

In <1992Nov10.024222.5554@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>Remember the fight seen between Leon and Deckard?  OK, at one point, when 
>Leon's beating on Deckard, he punches _through_ a big, steel trash bin.  Then, 
>one or two scenes later, the hits Deckard two or three times in the stomach and
>chest area.  If Deckard is not a replicant, why didn't he "splash", ie, why 
>didn't Leon punch right through him.

	Incredible as it may seem, maybe the human body (engineered or
otherwise) might be better at absorbing impact than you realise. Lots of soft
tissue with a load bearing endoskeleton. Steel plate, well once it passes
it's elastic deformation limit, it has to tear.
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From: donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: WAX or The Discovery of Televison among the Bees.
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:16:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov23.201628.7140
Organization: none

In article <8700@orbit.cts.com> jcblair@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Jennifer C. Blair) writes:
>WAX opened last night in MPLS. at the Bell Museum.  Rave review in this weeks
>City Pages.  Pick it up.  Go see it.  Love to hear what other people think. 
>It's being held over until December 3d!
>
>WAX.  Or the Discovery of Televison Among the Bees.
>
>SEE IT.  LIVE IT.  CATCH THE BUZZ AT THE BELL AUDITORIUM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
>MINNESOTA CAMPUS (17TH & UNIVERSITY AVE. SE, NICHOLSON AUDITORIUM (BEHIND
>NORTHRUP) INFO 627-4430)  LIMITED ENGAGEMENT STARTS FRIDAY NOVEMBER 20TH. 
>SHOWS NITELY AT 9:20 PM FOR ONE WEEK.  BE THERE.  AND PUT THE BEE IN SOMEONE
>ELSES BONNET!


I went. I saw it. It's a little slow, but visually fascinating. The storyline
was pretty original, and I liked it. Reminded me in a way of the 
early films of David Cronenberg. 
Funniest joke is the "actor" who plays James "Hive" Maker, but I cannot
give that one away. recommended for kids of all ages, Punks, Pinks,
Idiots, Geniuses, Sub-Genuises, and so one. Use only as directed.
Do not operate heavy farm equipment at speeds in excess of 70 mph after
watching this film! Your mileage may vary.

					--Judex--
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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: Highlander
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:10:39 GMT

In article <01GQZABD3USI8WX6L1@ZENO.MSCD.EDU> JOHN@ZENO.MSCD.EDU (HUNTLY) writes:

>Hi, Having heard about the European version of Highlander is kind of
>frustrating.  I have the US version and like it alot.  So now ever since
>people have been mentioning that there is a longer, more in depth version
>I was wondering.  Is it available in the US, or just Europe?  
>                               Thanks 
>                               John@zeno.mscd.edu

The difference consists of two scenes, which are reposted to this group 
every couple of months (or so it seems).  If you get the European version, 
you probably have to get it converted from PAL to NTSC format (or vice-
versa?). If anyone in Europe knows of a video tape vendor who accepts 
overseas orders, please e-mail me and I'll post the results.

Thanks,

John Ternent
jatg5423@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: cs611125@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs611125)
Subject: Purina alien chow (Highlander flavored)
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:34:17 GMT

    So how do you piss off a Highlander immortal?  Truss him up and
line up the alien chestburster eggs!
    Burst all you want!  We'll take more!

    Can't wait for the Dark Horse comic.

====================================================================
Keeper
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From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: George Pal
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:18:06 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
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Nico Veenkamp (nicolas@stam.nl) wrote:

> What I need is a complete list of movies that Pal was responsible for or 
> in anyway worked on. Also ANY info about him, his movies etc. is welcome. 
> Does someone know if there is a book, encyclopedia or whatever that I can 
> consult for additional information. Does he still live??

A non-theatrical short was made about Pal in 1985:
"The Fantasy Films Worlds of George Pal", 93 minutes,  Arnold Leibovit (dir)

It is available on NTSC LaserDisc (Image/New World Video INW5197).
It may also be available on tape.

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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula (No Spoilers)
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:28:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Nov18.143517.4069@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Yes, the original story is.  This movie wasn't.  The acting was the
>stiffest I've *ever* seen in a movie (an allegedly non-B movie). 

	(hack out more disappointed moviegoer laments)

	I saw a HBO mini-special on this movie, and I had a LOT of misgivings
about it. These comments only strengthen my impressions of the low quality
of the movie. I'm now VERY reluctant to go see the thing.
	Moreover, the thing is called "Bram Stoker's DRACULA"... and 
so wouldn't you expect the novel to be, well, Bram Stoker's _Dracula_?
WRONG! This by itself is a major "bad sign".

>a hundred other frustrations about this movie.  Possibly the biggest
>waste of $3 in my life.  Wasn't it supposed to be *horror*?  Where

	You saw a FIRST RUN movie for THREE DOLLARS???????????????

	Where I came from, in Schenectady New York (not by any means a 
major metropolis) the cost was 6-7! The SECOND run theatres are still
over three bucks...

>were the frightening parts?  The Nightmare on Elm Street series was
>more frightening than this at its silliest!

	I actually considered the original "Nightmare" to be pretty
cool for a horror movie, and Freddie himself was a rather scary 
invention.

	Though I did always wonder what would have happened if Freddie
Kreuger tried to "nightmare" the hero of "Dreamscape" to death...


					Sea Wasp
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:13:57 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <6121@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>, mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
> From article <1992Nov12.220801.8836@ac.dal.ca>, by 01fortec@ac.dal.ca:
>> There's some implication that the company may have known about the derelict
>> as far back as A1.
> 
> How about checking your sources?  It is made *very* explicit in Alien
> that the Company explicitly rerouted the ship and placed Ash on board
> deliberately, because they had at least an inkling of something
> interesting out there.
> -- 
> Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
> University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
> Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst

Sorry if I goofed. I was under the following impressions:

1 - The ship had been rerouted as part of a standing procedure in response
to unidentified signals indicating lifeforms.

2 - Ash was onboard as a last minute replacement and went snaky when his
new assignment violated his "Asimov protocols". I was assuming that his
assignment was given as a result of the signal reception, not a pre-planned
operation.

I haven't seen the movies for awhile, and I don't keep notes.

Joe
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From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: sound in space
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 08:20:41 GMT

In article <1e8ngpINN14e@spool.mu.edu> chelius@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (thomas chelius      ) writes:

>>>>How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
>>>>in space? All I can think of is 2001.
>>
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but the film "Destination
Moon" by George Pal is quite accurate in it's portrayal of space travel.
Robert A. Heinlein was a technical advisor and scriptwriter on the 
film and his advice was obviously followed to a great extent. Quite 
amazing for a 50s movie. I don't recall hearing any external sounds during
the trip to the moon sequence.

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From: mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru)
Subject: Re: Brasil and 1984
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:52:14 GMT

In article <kX4auB6w165w@cithara.uucp> spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:
>The original working title for BRASIL was "1984 & 1/2", and I think it is 
>safe to say it was inspired by 1984, if not based upon it. I believe Tom 
>Stoppard did the screen-play, and Giolliam added the imagery (as only 
>Gilliam could!).

guru sez:
	I'd agree with that. Some of the stuff is just magnificent.
	
>There are substantial differences in approach, though (obvious, right). 
>1984 was a political allegory based on Stalinist Russian and the 
>destruction by totalitarianism or the communist ideal (see also Animal 
>Farm, about the Stalinist purges).
>
>BRAZIL, on the other hand, takes the nightmare of contemporary 
>beaurocracy (and British beaurocracy IS like that) and creates it's own 
>totalitarian state.

	No, it's based on the idea of the postwar British Government. It's
	almost as if rationing had continued and not finished until about
	1980. The society had stood still in almost every sense.

	I think there are also some interesting parallels with McCarthyism
	in the simple persecution of people who dare to question the system.
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From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 question
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:36:24 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <5DDmuB3w165w@cithara.login.qc.ca>, spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID) writes:

>there IS gravity in space! When Floyd drinks from the tray, the liquid 
>falls back down the tube. In space this wouldn't happen!

Nonsense!  Floyd was sucking through a straw from a little plaster container
clipped in a tray.  When he created a little vaccuum in his mouth, the whole
container compressed a bit before the relief valve opened to allow air in to
displace the food and allow some to enter the straw.  When he stopped sucking,
the valve closed and the container sprang back into shape, pulling the contents
of the straw back down.  It's just air pressure.

Of course, they admitted it was a mistake in the book, but Apollo's squeeze
bulbs showed a similar effect - it was even deliberately tuned to help keep
food from floating around out of the straw.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: Deckard WAS a replica
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:06:36 GMT


In article <6133@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>
>> 2: He dreamt of the Unicorn - and EJ Olmos KNEW about that dream. That's 
>> why he left the unicorn on the doorstep.
>
>We've had other explanations for that.  Unicorns are a symbol for
>purity, and that might have been what Gaff wanted to say about Rachel.

Unicorn origami could be
 -symbol for purity (or symbol for whatever)
 -Gaff didn't kill Rachel
 -Gaff knew Deckard's dream
at the same time.
Drop some item away if you find it necessary.


>> 3: The MATH was wrong - "Six replicants jumped a shuttle, one got fried 
>> in an electrical feild," and Decard is assigned to kill only four. Five 
>> when you add Rachel, but she was created on Earth. Who is the extra 
>> Replicant?
>
>Certainly not Deckard, unless you are willing to accept he jumped ship
>with the others.  Really desperate for arguments, are we?  The sixth
>replicant was a piece of dialogue that was not redone when it was
>decided to cut the sixth one out of the film.

I think that too; sixth replicant is not 'Deckard is a replicant'
matter. All other replicants should know Deckard is he were sixth, eh?


>Main reason why Deckard could still not be a
>replicant: He is much too slow and too weak to deal with the others
>effectively.

Heheee, Deckard is as human, as are other replicants.
Why Deckard should be a supercop (as Murphy in RoboCop)?


>Main reason why Deckard should not be a replicant: The
>film works much better that way.

That way thought the test audience too.

About 'original version': original version is the director's cut back
from '82. The version Ridley left to Film company.
Film company then ruined the movie (and also cut some violence out).

Juhana Kouhia
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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: 2001 question
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:24:09 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.



>In 2001, why is there normal gravity in the moon bus?

The bus is flying on rockets, it's not in a ballistic trajectory. (Even
so, I wouldn't try to pour and drink hot coffee from an open cup at
1/6 G.)


>By the way, when Floyd earlier eats on the earth-to-moon ship, there
>are little illustrations on his tray. One picture is of a brown thing
>with all these red squares coming out. What was that supposed to mean?

HIV immunization booster.



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From: seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn)
Subject: Realistic (somewhat) space movie
Keywords: sound in space, realism
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:56:23 GMT

In the vein of sf movies without sounds, I recently saw an old movie on
late night TV.  It was called 'Marooned', and concerned the fate of
three astronauts.  They were in a spaca station studying long term
weightlessness.  When they were ordered to come back, they got into
their Apollo command module, only to find out that the main engine
wouldn't fire, and the RCS system was too low on fuel for a retro burn.

It was produced in the 60's as near as I can tell.  The views of the
Cape lack the VAS, plus they were still using mobile gantries on tracks
rather than the crawler.  They did have sound in space, but I think it
was suppose to be what the astronauts were hearing.  All the astronauts
dialog and all the radio communication was taken directly from the real
head mikes they were wearing.  Also, a lot of the action at the Cape and
at Houston Control was very accurate.  I found it refreshing to see a
movie that actually paid attention to the little details.  Apart from
the poorer special effects of the ships (the zero-gee effects were very
good) the movie was fairly good.  

Aragorn
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From: martin@scs.carleton.ca (martin chidyausiku)
Subject: Re: XTRO ***SPOILERS*** (was Re: Movie sorta like Aliens name ???)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:21:42 GMT


>The Xtro story concerns a husband who has been kidnapped by some sort
>of alien. His son witnesses the abduction. The husband is transformed
>in some way and lives with the aliens. Several years after the
>abduction the husband returns to Earth, to get his son.
>
>The husband/creature must appear as a human and undergoes some sort of
>
>The husband re-enter's his family's life and starts the transformation
>
>Finally the aliens return and the husband and son return with them.
>I think its a great film!
>
From what you've said so far I don't see why the man had to be a husband,
could you please justify the preference of "husband" to "man." 

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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: Are *YOU* Human?
Keywords: Bladerunner, Philip K. Dick, Replicants
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.192643.8619@ugle.unit.no> oscar@Lise.Unit.NO (Rune Aasgaard) writes:
>
>I also recommend other Philip K. Dick short-stories/novels. A lot of it is
>weird, but it makes you *think*!
>

The funniest Dick story I've ever read is 'The Eyes Have It'.
(in one of the short story collections)

Truly a short little masterpiece.

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