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From: u9147136@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew Kenneth Wales)
Subject: Re: well fuck you baby...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:07:21 GMT

gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:

>Just had a few random thoughts when this popped up in front of me
>today 

......that mail order brain must have come through yesterday, did it?

>>10. ( 9) PLEASE DON'T GO - K.W.S.
>please, fuck off

..........why don't you, dickhead?

>>SO DANGEROUS - Lisa Edwards *
>to have so much money and so little talent

You've really hit a raw nerve now!!!! Do you know who Lisa Edwards is? No, I
didn't think so, you arsewipe. She is one of the most naturally talented
singers in Australia at the moment (ever listen to John Farnham....she has 
sung backing vocals on most of his albums).

Post your shit to aus.flame next time, Jonathan-and when you're done, climb
back down your hole where you belong (until you have something positive to
add!)

Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew Disseldorp)
Subject: Sales != Chart Success (was Re: well fuck you baby...)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:55:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.063533.10713@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
 
[stuff deleted]

> When a single moves up 3 places when it is near the top of the
> charts, it usually means a large increase in sales.  Obviously
> if a single moves up 3 places, from number 99 to 96, then that
> would be nothing.  
> 
> It really seems that you have no idea what you are talking about
> in your article, and it really shows!  Check out the A.R.I.A. chart
> (from your local record store), and it will have a star next to
> Billy Ray Cyrus, indicating the single, ACHY BREAKY HEART, is
> a BULLET PERFORMER, even though it moved up only 3 places.
> It is because it is near the top of the charts which makes
> the move important (i.e. big increase in sales).  Chart date: 4th
> October.
 
	Get off the grass Jamie! Since when does chart success / position
= # of sales. It has been long recognised the the Australian chart is grossly
unsatisfactory, and biased towards the multinational stores. There is a huge
amount of pressure placed on the sales staff at (Brashs | CC records
| popular national record store). Bonuses are offered if a recording gets
to a certain position in the charts, and often this affects judgement on
"number of sales" to say the least. More often it is straight out bribery.
The store surveys are completed by a person who checks the amount of
stock on the shelves, rather then using the sales & stock computer system.
Tell me - which is more accurate and which is open to subjective judgement?
	Finally, If sales is the only indicator of chart success, why does
the ARIA end of year chart for 1991 have singles which have gone gold
above singles which have gone platinum? Why are singles with have not gone
gold above singles which have gone gold? 

[stuff deleted]

Keep mining that vinyl............

Andrew
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Re: The Kylie file .... for your eyes only!
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:19:25 GMT

Everything is relative...

Maybe you should give Kyles credit for how far she has come.  I remember
her supreme dagginess when she was a kid - no, even before `Neighbours',
she was on one of those soaps with a 4 week half-life; `Skyways', I think.

And now look at her.  A night at the Exchange would not be complete without
the unsurpassed euphoria induced by vari-lights, smoke machines, and the 15
minute mix of `What Do I Have To Do'.  I don't think my brain is seriousy
impaired if I occasionally listen to La Minogue in between Mahler and Miles
Davis.

Long live musical pluralism.


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From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Erotica
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:59:09 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.

Heard the new Madonna ("Erotica") today. Quick impression: it's a cross
between "Justify My Love" and Public Enemy circa "Night of the Living
Baseheads," with lyrics about sex. Surprise! More obviously hummable than
the new Prince, which is dire.

The Australian reports that the video clip has Madonna giving head to
a plastic doll, and is "Very Stimulating," according to the NBC
programming director. (Said director went on to say "Of course, we can't play
it.")

With REM, Faith No More, Peter Gabriel, Tom Waits, Suzanne Vega, U2, Madonna 
and all those other bands changing their approaches or just producing very 
different music to their usual, is the mainstream now more interesting than the
indie scene - or is it just more interesting than the Australian independents?

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
In a series of clips, the Prince played polo, climbed mountains, flew fighters,
bossed battleships. He sat before a fireplace, quietly chatting with his mother,
the Chick.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: REPOST - Track listing from Kylie's GREATEST HITS album
Originator: int376f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University
Distribution: au
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:16:06 GMT


I have been swamped with mail from people wanting to know
what tracks are featured on Kylie's Greatest Hits album,
so I will re-post them here again on aus.music for all to see.
This is one hot album!

............ Here is a track listing from the album, which contains
22 tracks (excellent value!), as well as 3 new tracks.  Enjoy!
Tracks marked with a '1' are from her first album, tracks
marked with a '2' are from her second, etc... with the 3 new tracks at
the end.

--------------------------------------------------------
1. I should be so Lucky
1. Got to be Certain
1. Locomotion
1. Je Ne Sais Pas Porquio
-- Especially for you (with Jason Donovan)
1. Turn it into love
1. It's no secret

2. Hand on your heart
2. Wouldn't change a thing
2. Never too late
2. Tears on my pillow

3. Better the devil you know
3. Step back in time
3. What do I have to do
3. Shocked

4. Word is out
4. If you were with me now (with Keith Washington)
4. Give me just a little more time
4. Finer feelings

NEW. What kind of fool
NEW. Where in the world
NEW. Celebration
---------------------------------------------------------------

Xref: sparky aus.music:1298 rec.music.classical:13660
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Encores? Unusual performance by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:20:59 GMT
Followup-To: aus.music
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

stefano@psych (Stefano Occhipinti) writes:
: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
:	whole lot of stuff deleted!


	Most cover bands have this degree of flexibility to 
change sets and do requests.

	The said big bands probably rank as good cover bands,
but then how good can a cover band be?

					CE 
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Imported music.  A thing of the past?
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:19:50 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.165227.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:
|> Rumour has it that in a pathetic attempt to save the local music industry,
|> legislation will be passed guaranteeing that no recordings will be imported
|> into Australia.  Just great.  Does this mean that those of us into the
|> alternative and experimental music from overseas will be faced with musical
|> starvation?  What about Australian bands that we can only get on import due to
|> the general gutlessness of the Australian Music Industry?

Nope.  Just someone blowing their top again.  Stories of this kind are 
recurring.

The price of imports makes musical starvation the norm anyhow!

Aside:  make something illegal you instantly increase it's "value" (street price)

brian
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From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Imported music.  A thing of the past?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:42:00 GMT

in article <1992Oct1.165227.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) says:
> Rumour has it that in a pathetic attempt to save the local music industry,
> legislation will be passed guaranteeing that no recordings will be imported
> into Australia.

If I'm not mistaken, the outcome of the PSA Inquiry into record and CD prices
last year recommended that the copyright law prohibiting parallel importation
of recordings be scrapped (ie the market effectively deregulated).  Parallel
importation is where an o/s pressing of an Australian release (either a
domestic or o/s act) is imported.

The recommendations went to Cabinet, who after many deferments, and lobbying
from the Australian music industry, compromised on some of the recommendations
and agreed to continue the prohibition of parallel importation of recordings
made by *Australian artists* (I think for some fixed timespan, like 3 years
after release).

This does *not* apply to importation of non-Australian recordings.  The music
industry was still unhappy with the result, because they say that they'll
still lose out on the money they make from their distributorship on o/s
recordings.

What it does mean is that Import stores like Red-Eye in Sydney, who strictly
speaking operate illegally (but a blind eye is turned) will now be able to
legally import non-Australian recordings.  So your fears are unfounded.

Anyway, that's the way I understand it.  Brian, please correct me if I'm
wrong!

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Xref: sparky aus.music:1316 rec.music.misc:24464
From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
Subject: No, fuck *you*!
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:23:12 GMT
Followup-To: aus.flame
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:

>Just had a few random thoughts when this popped up in front of me
>today (damn! gotta get that kill file going!)...

Yeah -- I suggest you do just that. I didn't read the charts (I never do),
and I didn't read all your abuse either, but I read enough to know that it
was completely gratuitous, and should have been directed to aus.flame or
/dev/null.

Or are you just another de-facto net.censor who thinks that torrents of
abuse can prevent others from contributing articles which don't conform to
your interests and ideals?

Mark.
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      would be pushing up the daisies. It's run down the curtain and
            joined the choir invisible. This is an X-Terminal!"
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Interviews with Happy Mondays, New Fast Automatic Daffodils
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:06:43 GMT


> I'm interviewing PD from the Happy Mondays tonight (Friday night)
> and a New Fast Automatic Daffodil on Monday.
> 
> I have a few questions, if anyone else has burning questions for either
> band (or info tips/bytes) please email me ASAP

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: nick@cs.uwa.oz.au (Nick Lewins)
Subject: Hoodoo Gurus - Electric Soup (was Re: CHART: Top 10 albums -> Australia.)
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:15:16 GMT

>steffen@fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE (Matthias Steffen) writes:

>   4. ( 7) ELECTRIC SOUP - Hoodoo Gurus *

>Hey, what's that, is there really a new album? Any comments what's it like ?

Yes, there are two compilations albums out.  The story is that the first
printing of _Electric Soup: The Singles Collection_ is sold as a double
CD (at a double CD price) with _Gorilla Biscuit: B-Sides and Rarities_
(titles are from memory, and are approximate). Subsequent printings
of _Electric Soup_ will be a single CD (at a single CD price, I assume).

I bought the double CD a couple of weeks ago, just after it was
released.  It was my first purchase of the Hoodoos on CD - somthing I
have been meaning to do for a long time.  _Electric Soup_ (19 tracks, I
think) is a great CD if you like the more commercial offerings of the
Hoodoos.  _Gorilla Biscuit_ (20 tracks) I am still absorbing, but it has
some interesting, some weird, and some classic tracks.

Nick.
From: carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Carol the Punter
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:27:03 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: rossi.ee.uts.edu.au

raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael) writes:

>carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>>Tomorrow night I'm going to see some *real* australian entertainment -
>>the sydney uni fun band finals featuring (among others) the incredibly
>>silly Toerags And then on Saturday I'm going to see the Buzzcocks and
>>Wipe(), and on Sunday I'll see the Shout Bros, and I might even make
>>it to the Falling Joys on Friday night.

>So, Carol, did you get to all that?  I got to the Verys, Club Hoy and
>Falling Joys on Friday; Wipe() and Bughouse on Saturday; The Bells and
>Whippersnappers and Shout Bros on Sunday.  Damn crowded at the Lansdowne
>and Sandringham, wasn't it?

Missed the Joys, but did the rest. The Sando was like a goddamn sauna, but
unreal (good, sweaty fun!)  Wipe() and Bughouse were great (even though I
got Bughouse's name mixed up - some punter I am :)  What were the Very's
like? I've never seen them.


>Given what I heard on the weekend, did anyone see some bands on the
>weekend that I should keep an ear out for?

Now how can I miss an opportunity like this - my band Unseen is supporting
the Godbotherers at the Sando tommorrow (wednesday) night, 8:30 start.
And on friday October 16 we're supprting Peg at the Hopetoun. I'll be the
girl with the violin, so come up and say hello :-)


	Carol

Newsgroups: aus.music
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: U2 decide not to tour Australia
Keywords: Article from the Melb. Herald Sun
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  1 Oct 92 04:26:06 GMT

andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:

>JUST SAY NO:  U2, whose critically acclaimed ZOO TV tour is working its
>way across the globe, will not visit Australia.

>My Comments - This would have been a brilliant tour. You only get a band like
>U2 once in a very long time. U2 are a commercial success because they do
>play brilliant music, real music which will stand up by itself for a long time
>in the future. They may have good marketers, but the music is the primary
>feature, not the body or hype, unlike some other artists, and definitely
>not the one monopolizing this group at the moment. I just hope this
>is a typical Herald Sun beat up.

Ian Rogerson spoke to U2 for JJJ months ago. The manager, Paul Guinness, said
there was no way U2 would be touring until Australian councils were prepared
to approve outdoor shows. I can't see this happening soon, particulary after 
Paul Dainty fucked the South Sydney council over with Prince's outdoor shows
(by announcing them without council ok; the council were virtually forced to
let the show go ahead.)

There are rumours that Michael Jackson will play the SCG and the Melbourne 
Cricket Ground. This also seems unlikely, as does the other rumour that 
Madonna will play the same venues.

Looks to me like the major acts are trying to force Australia to follow 
the American/European lead of HUGE arenas. I was at the 40,000+ audience 
Prince concert in the Showground: it was boring. I'm told the same concert 
worked brilliantly in the Entertainment Centre.

U2, Madonna and MJ complain they can't afford to tour anything smaller
than stadiums. This is bullshit. If they lose money at the concert (which is, 
I suppose, just possible), they'd re-coup it in record sales - future sales and
the records we've already bought. And who wants to see a concert from four 
miles back? 

It's a pity, actually. The O/S music papers have given the Zoo Tour 
astounding reviews (NME is currently hanging on their every word.) It seems 
they've dropped the Joshua Tree/Rattle and Hum pomposity and overblown 
statements. The entire Achtung Baby package - new music and image - has
been interesting: it's fascinating their fans have taken the whole thing 
without a murmur - and that they still complain about Madonna and Kylie 
Minogue.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
The police had consulted Adele T on a number of occasions and she had led them 
to two bludgeoned bodies, a Syrian in a refrigerator and a cache of marked
bills totalling six hundred thousand dollars, although in each instance, the
report concluded, the police had been looking for something else.
The American mystery deepens.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: ayla@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Dey Alexander)
Subject: Re: Denis Tek plays Adelaide
Organization: Monash General Access UNIX System
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:52:18 GMT

In article <BvGz44.JxH@research.canon.oz.au> andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes:
>
>Pip played with them in Sydney. Rob wont have anything to do with John
>Kannis and Warwick is bored with the whole thing. There was talk of the
>Visitors getting back for a show or two.

Pip played with them in Melbourne too, sans beret. I wasn't aware of any
animosity between Johnny and ROn. What's the story here? Johhny hopped
up on stage in Melbourne to do backing vocals on Hand of Law.
>
>Next question.... Where's Ron Keeley (the people who should know,
>don't know)
>
Ron Keeley currently lives in the UK (London?) where he is editor of a 
(motoring?) magazine.

Dey Alexander
ayla@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Re: CHART: Top 10 albums -> Australia.
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:07:25 GMT

steffen@fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE (Matthias Steffen) writes:

>   4. ( 7) ELECTRIC SOUP - Hoodoo Gurus *

>Hey, what's that, is there really a new album? Any comments what's it like ?

It's a compilation.  There's another compilation released: Gorilla
Biscuits.
-- 
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.classical
From: stefano@psych (Stefano Occhipinti)
Subject: Re: Encores? Unusual performance by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:53:26 GMT

s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:


>Has anyone else had strange (nice) encores like this, or anything
>like that happen? I've never been to such a concert before..

>-richard


I saw Julian Bream in Brisbane once where he swapped the proposed Brisbane
program (which I didn't like much anyway) with the Sydney program - which
had Villa-Lobos' 5 Preludes and even played a bit of Malaguena when someone
yelled out from the crowd. Quite a nice chap. I remember he was noticably
nervous for the first piece (flat tone, little sustain) then he just mellowed
out and blew us all away.

Stefano Occhipinti
(stefano@psych.psy.uq.oz.au)
From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.classical
Subject: Encores? Unusual performance by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:31:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au


We were supposed to have Vernon Handley conducting, but he was sick
we were told on arrival (in pouring rain! No Milly Mouse weather last
night! *smiles*), and anyway Nicholas Braithwaite took over for him, but
he didn't know the Gershwin Piano Concerto, so they did the Beethoven
Piano Concerto No. 5 'Emperor' instead and it was FANTASTIC!! The
pianist, an american japanese was wonderful, and he was so nice, when
he finished he *hugged* the conductor, and then, *then* came back and
said "Well, you were supposed to hear some Gershwin, so here's a little
bit for you" ! And he did an encore of "I got Rythim(sp)!" ;-) *smiles*

So we had:

Bernstein: Candide: Overture    

 - wonderful performance :)

Barber: Adagio for Strings

 - one of the best performances I've ever heard. made me feel well it
   fit the mood even

Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5 "Emperor"
Jon Kimura Parker, piano.

 - *bliss* :)

Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 "from the new world"

 - interesting interpretation in tempi although the clarinets were a bit
   loud at times. Still very good.

Has anyone else had strange (nice) encores like this, or anything
like that happen? I've never been to such a concert before..

-richard

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Carol the Punter
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:18:13 GMT

carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>Tomorrow night I'm going to see some *real* australian entertainment -
>the sydney uni fun band finals featuring (among others) the incredibly
>silly Toerags And then on Saturday I'm going to see the Buzzcocks and
>Wipe(), and on Sunday I'll see the Shout Bros, and I might even make
>it to the Falling Joys on Friday night.

So, Carol, did you get to all that?  I got to the Verys, Club Hoy and
Falling Joys on Friday; Wipe() and Bughouse on Saturday; The Bells and
Whippersnappers and Shout Bros on Sunday.  Damn crowded at the Lansdowne
and Sandringham, wasn't it?

Given what I heard on the weekend, did anyone see some bands on the
weekend that I should keep an ear out for?
-- 
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    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.classical