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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:52:30 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs

Scott & Bert:

His Girl Friday is apparently one oldie title that has not been released on
disc yet (unless it's been in the past year or so and I've missed it).  Gotta
be coming, though.

Some further remarks on pricing.  Single disc movies (i.e., under 2 hrs) may
start as low as $25 but--along with those at $30--they're really the blockbuster
   only titles that companies expect to move a lot of copies of.  Usual prices f
   or
standard Americon movie releases are about $35-40.  More special releases--
longer films, restorations, special editions of foreign films, and of course
those major collector's packages like Cameron puts together--go up from there,
starting normally around $70 and going up near $14-50, very often.  Extra long
series or multifilm titles get higher: like the PBS Civil War set, or the newly
recut Godfather Saga, which will cash in at $200.  MGM tends to give you the
most for your money with their masssive committment to reissued films, often
with a few extras (at least an original trailer), and often has some of the
best transfers.  Criterion ends up being the most pricey overall, but almost
always you're assured not only of extras for the higher ticket packages but
also about the best transfers that can be gotten from the existing best original
   source materials at the time they make those transfers.  Criterion has also b
   eenmore liberal about lowering pricing on new releases (such as John Singleto
   n's
Boyz in the Hood, $50) or select reissues (forthcoming Monty Python & the Holy
Grail, letterboxed at $50).  Both of these examples include commentary by the
directors, too, so they're worth the extra 10 bucks that a standard studio
issue would not charge.

Jeff Clark
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:43:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:Waits

I disagree. For me, the movie came to a halt whenever Waits
was on screen. All he did was rant and rave, to make up for
what was an underwritten part. In fact, everything about this
movie was underwritten and overproduced.
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From:         Wendy <WGUNTHER@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dracula --an opinion
              19 Nov 1992 11:13:49 CST from <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>

Regarding your comment that "Waits stole the show as Renfield", I
couldn't agree more. The only problem was that there wasn't enough
of him. I wonder if a lot of his performance ended up on the cutting
room floor (as was Alan Rickman's in ROBIN HOOD) because it was feared
he might run away with the picture.

Wendy Gunther
Univ. of Vermont
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:58:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Laserdiscs/Sun Coast

Jeff et al.,
  A couple of further suggestions for holiday gifts or just
watching:

DIARY OF A LOST GIRL (1929), made in Germany, starring Louise Brooks.
I had read for years about how beautiful Brooks was but had never
seen one of her films.  I am a convert!

I, CLAUDIUS --  made for British TV about 20 years ago, now out on
a 7-disc set for a bit under $200.

INTOLERANCE (1916), by D. W. Griffith.

P.S. Sun Coast stores are now appearing on the West Coast too.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:42:40 EDT
From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      LA Story

I have to agree with Alex--when I lived in LA I saw LA Story--
I saw it at a trendy Santa Monica Theater (lots of "double decaf
half-caff" kind of places nearby) and the entire audience was in
hysterics the whole time.  I have NEVER been to a movie in which
an audience laughed as much.  I ahven't seen it with any non-LA
people.  Did you all find it as funny as we did (yes, the movie
wasn't perfect.  Blahblahblah.  But it did capture LA life...). [D?

Susan

(I miss the ocean, even tho' I don't surf either ;)  )
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:22:48 CST
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Verhoeven/Hauer/early work

I don't personally like Paul Verhoeven's work, but someone was interested
in his early films with Rutger Hauer and I don't think anyone mentioned
TURKS FRUIT/TURKISH DELIGHT (early 70s, don't know the date), a Dutch film
that relates sadism and disease, and people who liked THE FOURTH MAN might
find it up their alley.

BASIC INSTINCT:

Verhoeven was quoted in an interview in Canadian newsmagazine Macleans that
the Sharon Stone character was supposed to be the devil.  I don't have the
reference but it came out about the time the film was released in the US.
And one of my friends thought the story was similar to FAUST.
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:      Re: Detective parody films
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:17:53 GMT

What about the Michael Caine/F. Murray Abraham Sherlock Holmes movie from a 
few years ago?

Pennies From Heaven  starring Steve Martin and some lesser known actors from
the 1930's.  :)

There was a Chevy Chase/Goldie Hawn movie in the late seventies, early 
eighties about a plot to assassinate the Pope in San Francisco.  More of a 
thriller, but some detective work was involved.

Do the Fletch films count?
The Naked Gun?

Torsten at Omaha

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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:17:34 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Belize City gangs, Colors

Having been to Belize City a couple of times, and still planning to
go there next summer, this one caught my eye.  But what is Colors?
And how can we be sure it is being shown in Belize City?

While the rest of Belize is quite nice, Belize City has been a rough
place for years.  When I was first there in 1983, it was not a place
to wander around by yourself.  Gangs?  That's the word that came to
my mind to describe gaggles of dangerous-looking youths with watchful
eyes, but it could be a lot worse now.

So how does this work?  A movie called Colors glorifies gangs (where?),
gets shown in third world countries, and kids imitate it, even to shooting
their peers?  Is that the scenario?

I'm not trading in my ticket yet.

____________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:52:00 PST
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Subject:      City Lights

I vote yes, Alex.

Jim
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Subject:      HOW THINGS ARE

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     23-Nov-1992 09:04am EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
                                                  AFCOLYER
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Subject: "How Things Are"

Sorry, kjf, but I agree with Alex on this one.  How many of us out here in
cinema-land are willing to reveal our stupidity/naivete by admitting that we
have been guilty at one time or another of gleaning  our ideas (false or
otherwise) of "how things are" from the media?  For instance, how many of us
are willing to admit that we have compared our own families to those seemingly
"perfect" families on TV and felt somehow disappointed that major issues in a
REAL normal (read "dysfunctional") family don't lend themselves to such neat,
perfect resolution?  And how many of us have developed at least PART of our
concepts of gender and identity based on the roles we've seen people play out
on the silver screens (the big silver screen at the movies that makes the Movie
World seem somehow so much bigger and grander than the world we live in, and
the little tiny silver screen called a TV that brings the world "out there"
right into your living room)?

Do you think that our constant bombardment by media messages telling us how we
should behave, how we should look, what we should be, what we should do with
our lives, what we should buy, how we should define our success doesn't
influence our perceptions of "the world out there"?  Get real!  The skills of
media literacy are not something we are born with; they're something we LEARN
(or try to learn), over years of exposure and thoughtful critical evaluation.

I'm not saying that the media are "bad," only that they influence us in ways
that even we ourselves do not always realize.  Do you know, for instance, that
there are still people who believe that "if it's in print, it must be true"?
Or "if it's on TV, it must be true"?  In short, I guess that I mean to say that
NOT EVERYONE is aware that there's just a little bald guy behind the curtain;
some people out there (and not just stupid people, mind you) still believe that
the Wizard is real.

Anita
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:40:46 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Regional Movies

Speaking of regional movies, I had experiences similar to Ellen's with regard
to LA Story.  I saw it with some friends here in the East and I and the one
of them who went to USC laughed through the whole picture.  We thought it was
a riot, but everyone else was mystified.  Perhaps it should have been titled
LA's Story, because I don't know any non-Californians who thought it was
especially funny.

Another two cents.

                                                Alex
And no, I don't surf.
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Date: 18 Nov 92 18:44:57 GMT
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>From: Dennis Downes <DENNISD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
>
>I  would like some comments. I have heard that the studio that made
>My Blue Heaven did not want to release any trailers because somehow the
>movie got pegged as a flop even before it came out. The idea was that if
>there were no previews, it would not flop before it even started. I may
>be wrong on this , so I would like to hear from you. Some people have
>said to me that movies such as My Blue Heaven and My Cousin Vinny would
>only be very popular in the northeast because of the high level of Mafia
>activity and ethnic density. Is this true? I live in Rhode Island.

Well, I thought that _My Cousin Vinny_ was one of the funniest films of
the year.  One of the, if not _the_, best comedies I've seen.  _My Blue
Heaven_, on the other hand, was pretty average and forgettable.  Since
I'm not even a US citizen, never mind a northeasterner, I cannot agree
with those that have said that they're regional movies.

                        Liam.
                        ====-
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:57:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Eversmile New Jersey

EVERSMILE, NEW JERSEY -- 1991, with Daniel Day-Lewis -- is available
on tape for $89.99 from various sources, on laserdisc for $29.99.  So,
get the disc instead of the tape, and you've saved a good part of the
cost of the disc player.  You can save the WHOLE cost by buying
the HIGHLANDER and TERMINATOR movies on disc.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:06:00 EST
From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Peter's Friends

Carol:  This weekend, I went on a major movie renting binge, and I bet
70 percent of the new releases I saw had a trailer for PETER'S FRIENDS.
If you seen this trailer, could you tell me if all the film's funny
moments are included in it.  If not, I can hardly wait till this one
hits the theatres.  I laughed hysterically at all the jokes in the trailer.
C'mon Caro, give over...

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:53:46 -0500
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Windshields

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            20-Nov-1992 03:24pm EST
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SUBJECT: Windshields

    It's been quite a while since we talked about gaffes. Here are a couple
    that deal with the same thing: a car windshield.

    In NARROW MARGIN, at a point in the helicopter vs 4x4 chase scene
    through the woods, the jeep windshield is smashed by a big limb. But
    during the rest of the chase, that windshield will appear alternatively
    cracked and intact.

    In THE GODFATHER, the toll booth ambush shows quite graphically the
    deleterious effects of a hail of bullets on a car (and a human body,
    too). At the end, as the camera pans the scene and zooms towards the
    victim's corpse, the bullet ridden car has a perfectly intact
    windshield even though we saw it being pulverized.


    I saw NARROW MARGIN, which BTW I found to be a decent suspense story,
    last night for the first time and I noticed that detail immediately. I
    have seen THE GODFATHER half a dozen times only to see that gaffe when
    I watched the whole trilogy one week-end this summer. Go figure...

    MICHEL
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:20:45 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dracula

>       Whatever happened to Frank Langella, anyway?
>                                     Alex

Wasn't he Skeletor in _Masters of the Universe_?

-scott
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:17:49 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Bodyguard

>One movie I have no interest in seeing is The Bodyguard.
>One way to improve Hollywood is to tell Kevin Costner to
>give it a rest. Anyway, the trailer looks like a promotio-
>nal video for Whitney Houston's new album.
>

I was just waiting for someone to jump on this one.

Ok my turn,

Everytime I see that trailer, and I hear the voice in the
background say "There are three things a bodyguard must remember..."
I aways think, Yah Costner like maybe shooting with yours eyes open!!

I have as much interest in seeing The Bodyguard as I do
starting and finishing my semester, "put'em off till the last two
week" term papers.

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:28:58 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Windshields

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            23-Nov-1992 09:10am EST
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>> In THE GODFATHER, the toll booth ambush...
>>the bullet ridden car has a perfectly intact
>>windshield even though we saw it being pulverized.

>"Why a gaffe?", as Chico might have said. As I recall,
>Santino parks directly between two booths, and all the
>shooting is from the side. Ergo, no busted windshield.
>
>kjf-

    Well, as written above, because we are actually shown bullets going
    through that windshield. BTW those are coming from the hitpeople that
    jumped out of the car in front of Santino's. The ballistic analysis is
    available on request :-) .

    MICHEL

    PS: I'm a marxist too, but from the Groucho wing of the Party.
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From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Windshields

Michel,

I've seen both Narrow Margin and Godfather at least three times each, and
still haven't noticed those gaffes.  Durn you picky people... (yes, that's
meant good-humoredly).  Jeff Clark
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From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Film noir comedies?
              23 Nov 1992 10:06:25 CST from Rick Francis
              <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>

From:  Mary Shaffer
       Assistant to the Vice President
       Information Systems
I'm not sure I know how to define it but I think I can offer some examples:
Martin Scorsese's "After Hours" definitely qualifies. It has a lead character
trapped by fate and circumstances (of his own marking) in a nightmare plot
from which there seems to be no escape. It takes place at night (one night, to
be exact). It's funny and it involves a "murder."

I would also include "Brazil" in this category.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:31:46 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cruise/_A Few Good Men_

>Cruise gave EXCELLENT performances...

I like his stuff too ... he's not afraid to stretch, and fail.
Even in his stinkers, he thinks, works hard, and usually transcends the
material. And anyone who can hold his own against Newman and Hoffman is
doing serious hard work (both of those guys are notoriously cruel to
colleagues they don't respect).

I do have a recurring nightmare, though -- that Cruise will wake up
some day, think he's Kevin Costner, and cast himself as Winston Churchill.

kjf-
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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Stephen King books/movies

Recent comments about THE DEAD ZONE reminded me about another
Stephen King book that I heard was going to be made into a
movie starring Timothy Hutton:  THE DARK HALF (or something
like that).  I loved the book.  Does anyone know anything
about the movie version?

--Anjani
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From:         "Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext. 3005"
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Subject:      RE: Stephen King books/movies

Even though they would probably do a hatchet job, I'm waiting for their
version of "The Stand" (read 8 times and counting -- the complete version!)
to come out....

Orlanda
Internet:  thompson_o@rso.dnet.ge.com
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:26:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      The Bodyguard

One movie I have no interest in seeing is The Bodyguard.
One way to improve Hollywood is to tell Kevin Costner to
give it a rest. Anyway, the trailer looks like a promotio-
nal video for Whitney Houston's new album.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:32:52 EST
From:         Nero <CC017221@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Few Good Men

    The film "A Few Good Men" is based on the stage play of the same name.
That version starred Tom Hulce in the Tom Cruise role. Apparently they
(The Producers) didn't think the film would have enough pull with Mr. Hulce
in the lead role. However, the stage version is excellent, probably enough
to warrant seeing the film. That is, if you can stand Tom Cruise.


               -Nero
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:30:16 CST
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Mimi/Thanks

Thank you all for sending information on Mimi Rogers.

Carol
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