From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Keywords: fascism, male chauvanism, masochism
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:39:38 GMT
Organization: Informed Consent

In article <67265@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>On the topic of whether these "sisters in law" who left their marriages just
>because they just didn't feel like being married anymore vs. the new family
>values that says it's justified to leave an abusing husband, let me clarify
>that I mean that even the liberal position only clearly supports divorce
>if there is a good reason to do it. My point is that these women left
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Agreed

>just because of tiny little things that strained the relationships (like
>maybe having me as a brother in law...) or deciding that she was pressured
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Seems to be valid reason to me! ;^)

>into getting married by her parents, or just any reason at all. Now, I 
>suppose according to "new family values", it's wrong to put a gun to a 
>persons's head and say that you can't divorce unless you've got a damn good
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Hasn't it always been wrong in a civilized society?

>reason to. Any reason at all should be good enough to leave if the person
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Why Arthur...I didn't realize you were so rational!

>wants to leave. My point is how minor a reason this can be these days to 
>make a person want to break up or walk out on a family. The same goes for
>men, who have been totally ignored in this whole brouhaha. If men weren't
>such !@#$% jerks, and society helped them figure out how to keep their
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Hold it bud...this is judgemental and unless you can produce bread
from air, water from wine, glow white and fly....this is invalid.

>women from walking away from them, or spend more time with the family
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Could be that the woman who walked was the jerk and wanted to be rid of
a person who wanted a different lifestyle...or it could be they
married for the wrong reasons..or it could be one changed and the
other didn't..it could be a load of reasons and YOU are being way to
judgemental to state your position in such a manner.

>instead of walking away from their responsibilities like Murphy Brown's
>lover, who would completely lose if if somebody saws down a tree in a
>rain forest, but thinks nothing of abdicating all responsibility to his
>unborn son.

HOLD IT BUD! Murphy Brown WNATED that kid WITHOUT a husband so why
dont you get off the train now...preferrably on the tracks in front of
it!

>The opposite extreme is in Asian societies, when you're supposed to endure
>anything for the sake of face and family. Asians have a lot of intact
>families, but there's a lot of pent-up unexpressed unhappiness in there.
>You can't have everything (but at least the Asians get great grades...)
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Yes...and Aisians also have a genetic defect which prevents their
bodies from metabolizing alcohol into a complex sugar. But you dont
hear us on the net putting you down for it. Arthur..admit
it...you are an insecure male who cannot face up to his own
limitations so you blame it on us whities!!!! What a jerk!


>
>I've got no statistics either way. Some Asians do abuse their spouses, but
>there's not much evidence either way that it's any more or less than for
>whites. The divorce rate for Asians is only half that for whites though.

Yes I suppose you people in your media keep it that way the same way
whitie does from Whitie's House (White House ;^})

>Either it means Asian marriages are happier, or they're keeping it inside,
>or both. Asians do have an extremely low rate of child abuse compared to
>other races.

Now just how the Hell do YOU know. If you cannot produce verifiable
statistics which were taken from a LAREG sampling over the course of
the last 15 years...this comment is just another one of your male
insecurities coming out!

>
>Arthur Hu

Len Bucuvalas

ps: I am neither white nor balck...I am a mutant Greek with an attitude!

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