From: el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent)
Subject: Re: Street Fighters' Most Hated List
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:44:39 GMT

dphantom@triton.unm.edu (darlene an  92sep02 lawry) writes:

>>Congratulations to X-Man for winning the coveted "alt.games.sf2 poster
>>who should be shot" award!  It took alot of hard work and homophobic
>>posts to win.  Only 6 people responded, however, but 4 of them
>>included X-Man on his "Top 3 most wanted shot" list.
>>

>Perhaps you should post your next results in an alt.flame or more appropriate
>place, as such "polls" might better belong there.  Especially with only
>6 responses, a questionable point/poll system, and degrading personal
>comments directed in a public post.

I think the point of the poll is to note now "degrading personal comments"
and "alt.flame" stuff seem to be a main staple of alt.games.sf2.  I can't
remember how many posts I read which began:  "You fucking idiot fag"
or whatever.  If people are going to degrade other people on a public
forum, then the public forum has every right to degrade these people
in return.

>Your poll is flawed (with
>so few responses, self-determined point system, and questionable method of
>voting choices, ie. did you list names of people to choose from [encouraging
>certain selections] or did you let them name the person [possibly leaving
>some people out who don't sign their posts and/or who have difficult accounts
>id's to remembe], not to mention the occasional confusion as to who posted what
>can lead to misinformed voters.  

Well, every poll is flawed to some extent.  I took the same point system
as most polls do.  It wasn't multiple choice.  It was simply, "send in
your top 3 most wanted shot alt.games.sf2 posters."  You must admit,
getting mentioned 4 times out of 6 is quite an achivement, especially
if you're one of the people who responded and did NOT vote for yourself :)

>Yes, you may have meant it lightly, but I 
>find it cruel and careless because this is a largely a vote on how much you
>hate a person, and I do take offense to you putting down people using 
>a chart that was ill-formed at best.  Nevermind that you were second,
>nevermind that I was fourth.

I take offense at X-Man calling Guile players 'fag Guiles' and such.
I think other people do too.  These people are offensive to other
people for a reason.  Personally, I don't think that anyone really
even cares.  Do you really think that either I or X-Man is going to
say to ourselves, "Oh gee, everyone on alt.games.sf2 hates me, I'd
better be nice."

I agree with you that this kind of post and anything related to it
is VERY unappropriate for alt.games.sf2.  But so is the swearing,
sexism, homophobia, and other name calling.  Do you really think I
would have posted it if these conditions did NOT exist?  I know I'm
dispicable for pointing out the obvious--- that people on this
newsgroup can be downright inhuman pigs, me included.  But it's
better than not saying anything at all.  If you refer back to the
original post, you'd realize that it was half tongue-in-cheek and
half for real.  The previous posters were just name calling and
acting immature.  I felt that it deserved a response, that's all.

>If you insist on systematically degrading people on a personal basis, at least
>take the time to conduct a well-thought poll.  But then, if you give 
>such thought to it, you may realize that it just doesn't belong here.  I won't
>look forward to your next one.

I'm not the one degrading these people.  I'm not the one putting
words in their mouths which make other people dislike them.  Perhaps
if these people would realize what a fool they were making of themselves,
they'd tone things down a bit.

Personally, I enjoy X-Man's flamboyant attitude.  It adds some life
to the rather hum-drum every day a.g.sf2 posts.  Sometimes he can
be very verbally abusive, which really doesn't belong here, but it's
here.  I remember one post which responded to X-Man's with something
to the effect of "I don't give a fuck Who's Who at your fucking arcade,
you fag."  That was certainly uncalled for.  I posted the poll because
I felt that things were getting out of hand.

>---Phantom

Hopefully, we can have a kindler, gentler, alt.games.sf2 :)

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Eu-Ming Lee (aka CyberGeek)                      el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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