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From: Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:00:00 GMT

Hello Steve,


Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said


 SP> make it legally possible for about 12,000 English speaking children in
 SP> this province to be DENIED access to education in their own language
 SP> schools. (If the parents attempt to obtain their certificate of 
 SP> eligibility for instruction in English the children are actually
 SP> "declare' ineligible pour l'instruction en anglaise" !!!!)

 ???

 You are misinformed, My children are now in english shool, I personaly
 NEVER attended english school but my wife did. All that was required is
 that she bring a proof that she attended at least one full year in
 english elementary school when we went to register my child.

 Perhaps less propaganda and more truth is what we need Hmmm?

 SP> Hardly a demonstration of open-mindedness and tolerance! :-(
 
 The only demonstration here is your wilingness to believe anything said
 to you. As I said, that is simply NOT the case and I have here my child
 as a living proof of that.



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From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Subject: Motherboard a Vendre /For Sale
Summary: 286-12 with 4 meg of Dram. 
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:06:53 GMT

Motherboard

Intel CPU 286-12
AMI BIOS
4 megs of Dram 70 ns


Information: Irwin@ere.umontreal.ca

David Irwin:)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu)
Subject: Re: Help with duties...
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:09:06 GMT

>In article <1993Jan8.183658.178@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:
>>
>>
>>Hello netters, I am thinking of buying a Gateway 2000 computer via mail order,
>>however, after two days of persistent phoning to Canada Customs to inquire about
>>what fee's, duties & taxes are charged on incoming computer systems, I have not
>>been able to reach them. Does anyone out there know what I will be charged by
>>Cust. Can. when I receive my system ???
>>
>>Please help, they definately won't answer the phone!
>>
>>Thanks, Martin Cholette
>

You could try the Excise Information System; dial 1-800-267-5979 with a modem
(up to 2400 baud).  It includes recent GST announcements, and
a "Q&A" database which you can search to find answers to specific
questions, or to which you can submit a question which will be
answered in the database within a couple of weeks.

Dave
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From: quennevi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Pokey Bangs)
Subject: recherche...
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:18:46 GMT

Bonjour,
 je cherche un C++ pour pc (borland ou autre) avec la documentation
si possible (je ne payerai pas plus de 50$ je vous l'averti).

 En passant, pourquoi la boite vocale du Mirror est gratuite
mais celle du Voir coute 1.50$ la minute?

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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:51:46 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 625

Sorry for huge posting before!

If I reply to a posting that has 'mtl.followup' as a newsgroup our
newsreader appends it to a file called dead.article. When I try to
pick it up and send it to the right newsgroup I sometimes forget
that dead.article contains a lot of 'old' stuff as well.

Sorry!

(Blame HP or HP Unix!)

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From: Allison.Mcgill@f320.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Allison Mcgill)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:07:22 GMT


 YD>  ???

 YD>  You are misinformed, My children are now in english shool, I personaly
 YD>  NEVER attended english school but my wife did. All that was required is
 YD>  that she bring a proof that she attended at least one full year in
 YD>  english elementary school when we went to register my child.

This may be true the majority of friends I know that are from N.D.G. area that
have children and were taught in the English school system, they had problems
to get their children into the English school system.  See there schools now
are no longer English establishments and when they try to get any proof that
they were taught in the English school system they are told they have no
records leaving them with no proof.
In these cases this is not fair.  Not everyone keeps old report cards and
things.  I was lucky I kept my letter of elegibility with me like gold.  I
received it just after graduating from highschool.  But not everyone received
one.  they only started to give them out in 1977.  I know for a fact Ron never
received his.  So if I didn't have mine it was going to be trouble to get one.
This was also told by me at the time I went to register my daughter in
school.

 YD>  Perhaps less propaganda and more truth is what we need Hmmm?

 SP> Hardly a demonstration of open-mindedness and tolerance! :-(
 YD>  
 YD>  The only demonstration here is your wilingness to believe anything said
 YD>  to you. As I said, that is simply NOT the case and I have here my child
 YD>  as a living proof of that.

You were lucky your wife had no problems with your children but the problems
do exist.  I have people I know that do have the problems.  They were raised
here in Quebec and went to school here in English but the government still
wishes to give them problems with their children going to English schools.
Also alot of people don't have their letter of elegibility,their parents had
them but they either got lost thrown away or misplaced.  The government
doesn't issue you new ones just like that it takes a while and alot of
aggravating yelling sometimes to get through to them.
Till later...............
Allison
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From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Subject: Place to rent large rooms in Mtl?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: mtl
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:39:27 GMT

I would like to know of locations/places in Montreal,
preferably near downtown, that have rooms/halls that
fit at least 50 people (or even rooms that fit up to
150) that can be rented, preferably not too expensive.
(Suggestions other than rooms at Universities).

Any and all information would -really- be appreciated, thanks.

Jeff
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From: Marc.Savard@p300.f2320.n1323.z0.illusion.tpg.org (Marc Savard)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:31:34 GMT

Hello Steve!

** On a computer far far away, Steve Potter wrote to All:

 SP> Roughly translated:-

 SP> 'Congratulations for you trying to get closer (... to the francophones).
 SP>  You are really making a lot of effort to change the impression people
 SP> have of anglophones:  stupid and close-minded, ("close-monded" not open
to
 SP> the world? :-) )".'

Isn't wonderful what a typo can make? ;)

 SP> What Bourassa said in the National Assembly on March 14th, 1989 is a
 SP> matter of public record.

All the context also... You can make anybody say anything when quoted out of
context....  I still think that both anglos and francos have to go halfway
towards each other and stop "shaking the sh*t" (if you know your "quebecois"
you should find out (sorry, can't find an equivalent in english!) ) to end the
mess we are in..

 SP> P.S. I suggest we move this discussion to can.politics now.

I think that I have made my point clear and we could stop that here, no?


   Bye!
   Marc

... Minds are like parachutes, they only work when opened.
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From: quennevi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Pokey Bangs)
Subject: Re: Looking??? et autre....
Reply-To: quennevi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Pokey Bangs)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:05:22 GMT

In article <726766140.AA05108@illusion.tpg.org> Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles) writes:
>Hello Pokey,
>
>
>Your previous message about Looking??? et autre....  said
>
>
> PB> faire par politesse mais ca passe. Mais que des francophones
> PB> n'affichent qu'en anglais, meme pas de traduction ni rien,
> PB> ca depasse les bornes, surtout que 75% des francophones qui
> PB> affichent ne le font qu'en anglais. Et ces probablement ces
> PB> gens qui crient a la fin du francais au Quebec...
>
>  Du tout, c'est TOI qui crient a la fin du francais.
>
 Monsieur, vous me pretez des intentions qui ne sont pas du
tout les miennes, svp lisez plus attentivement la prochaine
fois...

> PB> veut garder notre culture, il ne faut pas obliger les 
> PB> autre de la supporter, il faut le faire nous meme, comme
>
> Alors arrete d'essayer d'obliger et laisse les autres faire comme il
> veulent.
>
>
 en quoi oblige-je quelqu'un a faire quelque chose??? Voulez-vous
m'obliger a arreter de donner mes opinions?

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Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
From: Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:56:02 GMT

Hello Steve,


Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said


 SP> There shouldn't be any need to go through this crap to get access to
 SP> the schooling of ones choice in the first place!
 
 I can see the logic of making immigrant go to french school when
 coming to live in QC, however, I think that if they previously had
 english education then then should be allowed same as the anglo
 resident in QC to send their kids to english school.

 SP> Who are you to judge?

 A francophone parent sending his child to an anglophone school.

 SP> It is bad enough for the families affected! :-(((((

 True enough.

 SP> Are you suggesting that problems for immigrants (and citizens who
 SP> landed after 1977!!) are nothing to be concerned about? Perhaps because
 SP> they are not "pure-wool" Quebecers? :-((((

 Not at all, What I am suggesting is that when immigant come here and
 have no former education in english or in french it's prefectly
 legitimate to force them to go to french school. I don't see any major
 harm in that. If they don't like-it then they can always move to ONT or
 other province who don't even provide french speaking people with basic
 teaching in french.

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... BEER.COM not found. SYSTEM HALTED!
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From: hebert@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Helene Hebert)
Subject: logement a louer
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:43:57 GMT

Logement:
        disponible debut fevrier 93 pour cause de demenagement outre-mer
        330 par mois, incluant eau-chaude, excluant chauffage et electricite
        sur De Lanaudiere pres de Beaubien.
        2 ieme etage sans voisin au-dessus.
        2 appartements doubles (environ 12 par 45 pieds)
        beaux planchers de bois francs 

        cuisiniere, refrigerateur, mini-laveuse, mini-secheuse que je 
        vous laisserais pour 300$
        2 ventilateurs au plafond, lampes, rideaux, stores venitiens,
        etc que je laisserais avec la sous-location, a prix modique

Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Subject: Help with duties...
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:36:58 GMT



Hello netters, I am thinking of buying a Gateway 2000 computer via mail order,
however, after two days of persistent phoning to Canada Customs to inquire about
what fee's, duties & taxes are charged on incoming computer systems, I have not
been able to reach them. Does anyone out there know what I will be charged by
Cust. Can. when I receive my system ???

Please help, they definately won't answer the phone!

Thanks, Martin Cholette

Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: cholette@saguenay.iro.umontreal.ca (Martin Cholette)
Subject: Re: Crc modem error
Organization: Universite de Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:39:39 GMT

In article <725452267.AA01962@illusion.tpg.org> Criss.Katsapolis@f100.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Criss Katsapolis) writes:
>
> Hey everyone, I was just wondering...when I download or upload
>and a crc error occure, dos the program resend the part with the error
>so that the file is completely good,or is there chances that it's not
>as good as it should be. I always wondered about that??!!
>Also how does a CRC error happens and a Timeout?>>??
>See ya!!

When a CRC error occurs, the bad block is re-sent in order to avoid file
corruption problems. So the final file should be good.

Martin Cholette

Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:34:40 GMT

In article <726424940.AA04149@illusion.tpg.org> Allison.Mcgill@f320.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Allison Mcgill) writes:
>
> YD>  ???
>...etc...
>
>You were lucky your wife had no problems with your children but the problems
>do exist.  I have people I know that do have the problems.  They were raised
>here in Quebec and went to school here in English but the government still
>wishes to give them problems with their children going to English schools.
>Also alot of people don't have their letter of elegibility,their parents had
>them but they either got lost thrown away or misplaced.  The government
>doesn't issue you new ones just like that it takes a while and alot of
>aggravating yelling sometimes to get through to them.
>Till later...............
>Allison

I remember when I was in elementary school, just as Bill 101 was passed.
Even though both my parents had attended English school in Quebec, I was
never initially sent a letter of elegibility. The proper forms were
filled out but I guess had been "lost" somewhere. Anyway, at the
beginning of the next school year, I found out I was automatically
switched to the French side of the school, and nobody had told me. Here
I was, 10 years old, on the first day of school with nowhere to go. All
I was told was too bad...some system! Enough sobbing...my story did end
well after MUCH arguing and yelling on the part of my parents.

Brian Spencer (bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca)
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From: jayceem@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Jean-Charles Maillet)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Originator: jayceem@kirk
Organization: McGill University - VLSI Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:38:48 GMT


> 
> maintenant je lis dans la presse que la seule chose a faire pour sauver le
> quebec est de "couper l'iimgration". quel people c'est quebecois. dans le
> monde moderne fermer la porte au moin chanceux.

   ... pour sauver le pauvre minable Quebecois et son pitoiyable heritage
paresseux y vas falloir des tas de bocaux (jars ? s'tie) avec saux hermetic
pour contrarier les effets nefastes du contact avec gens d'ailleurs.

       Ah, mon bocal preferentiel ... sauves moi et ma langue contre les 
intemperies de la vie ... oh , mon dieux , oh ...

    .... and now for something completely the same , all the time ,
... over and over, till I'm sick and I don't know why I even bother having
trees chopped down for my vulgar state of ignorance.. . newspapers till
twilight of my dummy ... oh no ... gee, I wonder what Parizeau and Rian are
having for dinner tonite ? la vie en rose ... j'veus lire ca demain dans
la press ou le j de mtl ... un domaine qui renforcis mon etat mentale ...
Quebec c'est quel people ? c'est fashion .... OUI, c'est l'arrogant poupoune.                                             

                   schus pas Quebecois schu Acca'yien s'tie . jc
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:16:14 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 386

Apologies for double post : our system had a new disc installed
this afternoon.


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From: Ronald.Mcgill@f320.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Ronald Mcgill)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:43:04 GMT


 YD> Hello Allison,


 YD> Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said


 AM> See there schools now are no longer English establishments
 AM> and when they try to get any proof that they were taught in the
 AM> English school system they are told they have no records leaving them
 AM> with no proof. In these cases this is not fair.

 YD>   When you go to the school that shoudn't pose a problem. In the case of
 YD>   my wife for example, they accepted Antony no problem and since we
 YD>   could not locate the necessary paper (it WAS more then 25 years ago
  <g>) they then made us sign a few papers and they THEMSELVES requested
 YD>   the necessary information from the QC autorities.

My wife was trying to stress that the fact that most of the former English
elemetary schools in the N.D.G area are now French (MCSC) and since that these
schools are now French, the Government arbitrarily decides that since these
schools are presently French they were always French, leaving the people who
once attended these schools without recourse. The school commission refuses to
open their archive and it take a court order or threat of lawsuit to get any
kind of action from this. We know of more than just a few of our friends that
who have had this problem. My wife's uncle is a Principle and j=her aunt is a
Secretary in one of the schools. We also know a well placed person in the
school commision who can acknowledge this fact.


 YD>   Perhaps your friends are not or were not aware that they could have
 YD>   the school ask for the document themselves. Saves a lot of headache.

See the above.

 YD>   do not know how the system works. I'm not saying it's their fault just
 YD>   that it's not as bad as it looks.

 AM> Also alot of people don't have their letter
 AM> of elegibility,their parents had them but they either got lost thrown
 AM> away or misplaced.  The government doesn't issue you new ones just
 AM> like that it takes a while and alot of aggravating

 YD>   Yes that much is true, DON'T loose that paper otherwise it's quite a
 YD>   pain to get another one.

This is only in the case of those who have had these documents issued to them.
People from out of the province have more of a hassle trying to register their
children in English schools. 

 Another point would be the fact that American's who getr transfered to this
province are obliged to send their kids to French schools. Do you think that
is fair.


Ron
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From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Organization: McGill University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:12:32 GMT

In article <726336901.AA04023@illusion.tpg.org> Yvon.Decelles@f420.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Yvon Decelles) writes:
>Hello Steve,
>
>
>Your previous message about Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties said
>
>
> SP> make it legally possible for about 12,000 English speaking children in
> SP> this province to be DENIED access to education in their own language
> SP> schools. (If the parents attempt to obtain their certificate of
> SP> eligibility for instruction in English the children are actually
> SP> "declare' ineligible pour l'instruction en anglaise" !!!!)
>
> ???
>
> You are misinformed, My children are now in english shool, I personaly
> NEVER attended english school but my wife did. All that was required is
> that she bring a proof that she attended at least one full year in
> english elementary school when we went to register my child.

I think it is you who are misinformed, Yvon.  I believe your wife
had to prove that she attended one year of English elementary school
IN CANADA.  Children whose parents attended school in other countries
are not (generally) eligible for publicly-funded English education
in Quebec.  That's the whole point of Steve's endless postings.

> Perhaps less propaganda and more truth is what we need Hmmm?

Agreed.  But what Steve said is true.
>
> SP> Hardly a demonstration of open-mindedness and tolerance! :-(
>
> The only demonstration here is your wilingness to believe anything said
> to you. As I said, that is simply NOT the case and I have here my child
> as a living proof of that.
>
Your child falls in one category, Steve's in another.  You may
disagree with Steve's opinions, but on this topic he's got the
facts down pat.
>
Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

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