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From: pdt@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON)
Subject: Misc. info
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:40:51 GMT


  This is really a "sorry, I lost your email address" post; I've added a
bit more info to make it less wasteful of net bandwidth.

  Just received Change Your World by Michael W. Smith; this make the fourth
album that contains "Friends"; this, whichever of Project or Big Picture,
The Live Set, and that choir album (Can't be bothered finding the title...)
  The album itself is not bad; I still prefer i 2 eye of all his albums (I
haven't heard Christmas, though). The instruments are predominantly
electronic or electrical; the music style reminds me a little of Byran
Duncan (Anonymous Confessions Of a Lunatic Friend); also a bit of Andre
Crouch in a song or two. The thing that annoys me most about this album is 
the heavy use of programmed drums; however, some of the technology is used
appropriately (particularly in picture perfect and cross of gold). All in
all, not bad, but I wouldn't hunt it with thimbles and care.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

  The address of The Phil Keaggy Club is:

	The Phil Keaggy Club
	P.O. Box 15357
	Chesapeake, Virginia 23328-5357

  The club list includes all post-"What a Day" Keaggy albums, including the
"How the West was One" double album. There are also the 3 Backroom Trax
tapes; the first was previously released as "Underground", but the version
they sent me was remastered in 1989. When I have more time, I might write a
detailed review of all three.

  The cassettes are or were US$10; the CDs are or were US$13.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <nestabro.721661764@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

>One of the most faulty arguments for "secular" things is that, "well, they
>talk about _real_ life, and _real_ problems that we can't just _hide_
>from."  I got news - Scripture talks about every important problem there is,
>and gives the solution for it.  If that ain't real life, nothin' is.

Maybe the point is that until recently, most Christian contemporary music was
absolutely silent about real life and real problems.  It's been heartening to
see people like Amy Grant come out with something on incest.  And I'm always
encouraged when Christians -- like Mark Heard and Bruce Cockburn -- sing
honestly about the pain and difficulty in life.  Not to say that praise songs
and rejoice songs aren't important -- they are!  But so are the others, and
they've been noticably absent from the "Christian" lexicon.  It makes me
appreciate all the more the black blues/gospel tradition.

>>How do you decide what is worldly? I guess it depends on your
>>particular flavor of Christianity.....WHO decides....after all what
>>makes a "christian" song a "christian" song?

Good question.  What exactly is "Christian" music?  

>I don't think it's individual at all.  God told us what is worldly in his
>Word.  If millions of people in the world hold something in high esteem,
>there's a good  chance it's not of God (since the world doesn't appreciate
>the things which are of God).

Well, how about romantic love?  Marriage?  Sex?  I'd say the world holds
those things in very high esteem.  Of course, we also warp them.  And what
about food?  Shelter?  Money?  Music?  Books?  Health?  Those aren't
ungodly at all.  We can and do make idols of them -- _that's_ worldy.    




-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills)
Subject: Catholic music
Summary: What's some cool stuff?
Keywords: Catholic, Talbot
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:03:53 GMT

Hi.  I recently went to a catholic church, and I really enjoyed 
the music.  There was a guitarist, and some really cool sounding
instrument -- it sounded like some sort of flute or panflute.
And the singing that went with it was simple choruses, and very
beautiful.

My question is whether there is any music like that available on
tape or CD. 

I do know about John Michael Talbot, and have his "The Quiet side"
(kinda a compilation/best of) tapes, and really enjoy them.  What 
are his best albums?  Is there anyone else that puts out this style
of music?

Thanks,

DMH
From: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:07:28 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

taken from the sig of somebody whose name i prematurely munched:

>| "What about Headman Shabalala? Doesn't anybody care about justice?"-AA |

that's from the song "worldwide" off of the new adam again album.

what the heck is gene trying to say?

clueless chuck
pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Steven Curtis Chapman, Irvine
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:27:48 GMT

In article <cho-091192073314@260-3r-mac5a.wdl.loral.com>, cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
> 
> Hello...
> 		I was wondering if anyone would like share their concert information
> about the Steven  Curtis Chapman Concert in Irvine.  I heard that he
> already performed there.  How long was the concert, etc..
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Il Hyung Cho
> Macintosh Systems Support
> LORAL - Western Development Labs
> Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
> 

Out of the Grey and Susan Ashton opened the show, each doing about four or five
songs.  Out of the Grey was good, but got a little tired since they only had
themselves and an acoustic guitar on songs that sounded like they needed a
full band.  Susan Ashton came on with band, and was pretty good, taking into
account that she had been pretty sick and was still not feeling all that great
right up to performance time.  She performed like a trooper though...It was the
first time I had heard her, and I was impressed enough that I may go get some
of her CD's...

SCC finally came out about an hour into the event.  If you've heard his Albums
and liked them, then you'll like the concert.  Besides his style of music, he
was also very geniune and personable in some things he had to say.  He also did
a spot where he performed "The Great Adventure" in several different musical
styles reflecting his own musical past, ranging from blue grass, to jazz, to
the current pop-country sound.  It was a real crowd pleaser, but it kinda
struck me as a Sandi Patti "Jesus Loves Me" Ripoff. (See her live album, "More
than Wonderful").  All in all, it was a very enjoyable evening, and well 
worth it.

If you live in the L.A. Area, it's not too late to catch this tour.  He is
performing TONITE in Oxnard at the Oxnard Civic Auditorium at 800 Hobson Wy,
Phone 805/486-2424.  Hope this posts makes it out in time...

Chris S.
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "progressive" Christian >> ANIMATOR
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:49:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxC06I.F81
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Again I come rushing to defend the honor and prmote the music of
Animator!

Animator, a Christian Art-Rock band (ala Yes, Genesis, Rush, Kansas,
Pink Floyd) DOES have a new guitar player and an upcoming show.  The band
will play Mabel's on Friday November 24, and...

I HOPE MY BAND WILL BE OPENING UP FOR THEM AGAIN!!!

This means that I get to play for a crowd that is up for a good time
and generally not drunk, and that I get to see Animator for free.

In case you don't know, they have CD's available.

Jeff Elbel
Farewell to Juliet - Modern Rock; not progressive, not that alternative,
			but definitely not mainstream
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: The Arctic Wolfe <rta1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Jimmy A (was VECTOR: Where are they now?)
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10: 30:41 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rta1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.200227.16223@pony.Ingres.COM> Hide the beer,
paiz@Ingres.COM writes:
>Jimmy Abegg, one of the founding members of the band appeared on almost
all of
>the albums by Charlie Peacock. He also released an album last year. The
name of
>the album (I think) is Dancing With Angels.

The album is actually called Entertaining Angels, named after a 6' by 4'
painting of the same name. (painted by none other than Jimmy A himself)If
you even mildly like Charlie Peacock, check this album out.  The guitar
is quite different from JA's Vector era playing, but I like it just the
same.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hunsts@cary104.its.rpi.edu (Scott N Hunstad)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Ban Certain Bands from this Pub...
Reply-To: hunsts@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:12:20 GMT

I agree with you on Extreme, but KingsX???  I would REALLY like to know where you get your info...cause I am QUITE sure they are Christians... Obviously you must not have paid any attention to their lyrics...or otherwise you would not be making such harsh *and judgementalI might add* claims....
I would suggest you listen to a few on KingsX's songs...any of them will do nicely
Over My Head
Legal Kill
Black Flag
List in Germany
I think there is a lot of misconceptions because KingsX is actually a *popular* band in the secular market...this OBVIOUSLY does not make them non-christians...anyway that is just my $0.02...

				Scott
From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain: OPEN DISCUSSION
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Div. of Radiation Oncology, Mayo Clinic

I've heard these guys at The New Union in Mpls/St. Paul.  They
opened for either Steve Camp or Rick Elias last year.  They
had just changed their name from .... well, from something that
I thought was more normal. I enjoyed their sounds.

-------------------------------------------------------------
J. Daniel Bourland, PhD	      
Div. of Radiation Oncology
Mayo Clinic, Desk R 
Rochester, MN 55905            
(507) 284-3551                  Internet:   bourland@mayo.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From:  Mark Wuest <mdw@trumpet.att.com
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:35:54 GMT

Well, I thought Andy's article was funny.

    <>      <>

        <>
     _      _
      \____/

I think anyone who thinks God is a politician is not funny. ;-(

Anyone who thinks abortion is a worse sin than greed is blind.  ;-(

Anyone who thinks Democrats sin more than Republicans is blind.  ;-(

-- 
Mark Wuest                              |     *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!!
mark.wuest@att.com                      |
mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail)        |
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From: taj26@cas.org (Jeff Bailey)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Reply-To: taj26@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:50:55 GMT

In article 10878@wrgate.wr.tek.com, rogers@fangorn.wr.tek.com (Roger Southwick) writes:
> Ty Jacobs (taj26@cas.org) wrote:
> : 
> : The next Smitty tour starts in January '93.  You can call 1-900-7SMITTY for
> : concert schedule details ($0.95 per minute).
> 
> And the $0.95 a minute goes to?  I assume something like Compassion Intl,
> but can anyone confirm this?  Enquiring minds want to know....

I don't know for sure, but I think the money simply goes to the phone
company providing the 1-900 service.

---
-Ty Jacobs   taj26@cas.org   Columbus, Ohio   (614) 876-8263

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@rs6413.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: alternative to Enya
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 03:35:07 GMT

In article <BwtJrt.Ix3@ns1.nodak.edu> drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees) writes:
>
>Does any one know of a band of christians with that enya sound?
>-- 

i personaly wouldn't stop listening to enya (she has some realy nifty
music).  if you like her music you might try checking our

	Windy Lyre

she is different, but has that same sort of sureal(sp) sound.

enjoy

phil
From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: alternative to Enya
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:27:36 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <7ma1l9g@rpi.edu>, burtp@rs6413.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
> In article <BwtJrt.Ix3@ns1.nodak.edu> drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees) writes:
>>
>>Does any one know of a band of christians with that enya sound?

Ummmm...how 'bout Enya?  Not too sure she's "Christian brand X" but she's got a
lot of honest spirituality in her lyrics.  Besides, it's wonderful study music.
8^)  Also, check out Iona.  Very hip pop with that Celtic flavour Enya has. 
Hmmmm...any others?  Check out Clannad (Enya's family's group).

>>-- 
> 
> i personaly wouldn't stop listening to enya (she has some realy nifty
> music).  if you like her music you might try checking our
> 
> 	Windy Lyre
> 
> she is different, but has that same sort of sureal(sp) sound.

Yes, it's wonderful stuff...8^)

> 
> enjoy
> 
> phil

Spock out...
-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: 00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: drums and worship
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:36:50 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov12.145106.5632@bmw.mayo.edu>, bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland) writes:
> In article 1ds2knINNbkc@agate.berkeley.edu, tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen) 
> 
> I am a drummer and in my old church I was the first to play drums every
> now and then on a few select songs.  I played quietly, even tentatively,
> and erred on the side of under-playing, instead of over-playing.  There
> is no doubt, at normal volume levels of guitar, bass and piano
> accompaniment, that acoustic drums could easily out-volume all of them.
> What helped me was to:
> 1. Understand the music, and what message is to be conveyed - some songs
> are loud and exciting, others soft and contemplative, but all could have
> contributions from drums. It helped me that I also play piano so I have
> some idea of the balance I would like if I was on piano and someone on drums.
> 2. Use the right sticks - I used very lightweight jazz.  Mallets are great,
> too, for soft cymbal rolls.  There are also steel and plastic brushes.
> 3. Attitude - As far as the distraction goes, most folks (congregational
> listeners) are afraid that drums automatically mean LOUD.  Be willing to
> serve in a support role.  But, again, it depends on the type of music
> you are playing.
> 4. Drum setup - take much of the reverberation out of your set - it usually
> clouds the rest of the music.
> 5. In the midst of all this, while being sensitive to the music and the
> congregational comfort, there can be the tendancy to play really mediocre
> drums, that is, to play token drums.  THAT, I cannot stand, because you 
> play the same thing over and over and over again, and I think a real 
> challenge is to keep the energy level going without letting the volume 
> get high and destroying the rest of the music and vocals.
> 


First of all, I'm a pianist, so I can't say all that much about drums, but what
I know from attending a church that uses drums, I couldn't agree more.  Our 
drummer really worships while he's playing; it's very evident to the 
congregation.  The guitars, keyboards, piano, and leaders are all on mics/amps
(I must admit I don't know exactly what :), so everything is loud and the
drums don't seem to overpower anything.  Dan always seems to do exactly what is
appropriate to the song.  My assumption is that, like congregational piano, it
takes a little practice and some general getting used to to get the hang of it.

Meghan K. McCullers
00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu




> These are my ideas.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> J. Daniel Bourland, PhD	      
> Div. of Radiation Oncology
> Mayo Clinic, Desk R 
> Rochester, MN 55905            
> (507) 284-3551                  Internet:   bourland@mayo.edu
> -------------------------------------------------------------
From: rich@cats.ucsc.edu (Richard Glenn Archambault)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: GIF's
Date: 11 Nov 1992 05:01:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerr247-ws-1.ucsc.edu


A while back, someone posted the FTP site where various
GIF's could be downloaded, some christian, some not.
The site was something like uwp...edu.  I have lost
the address and am very interested in the Amy Grant
GIF's that were mentioned.  If someone out there
has the address and is willing to share it, please
e-mail me asap.
Thanks in Advance.
Rich
rich@cats.ucsc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@rs6418.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.082211.3796@wkuvx1.bitnet> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>What exactly is 'industrial' music?
> 
harsh

electronic

dark

(most of it anyway)

Christian musicians:

	Mortal
	Global Wave System
	Deitiphobia
	X-Propogation
	Under Midnight
	Gadget (??????)
	Blackhouse (??????)
	Mental Destruction (??????)

Secular musicians

	nine inch nails
	ministry
	skinny pupy
	front 242
	808 state

(??????) - i have not personaly heard these

give some of this stuff a listen to.  you sort of have to be in the right
mood!

techno is:

happy (usualy)

very upbeat

repetetive

electronic

Christian Musicians:

	Dance House Children
	Gyradelix
	Painted Orange
	Code of Ethics

Secular Musicians

	pet shop boys
	depeche mode

rave is:

	(???????)

later,
phil



Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster)
Subject: WANTED: Suggestions for graduation music
Originator: tim@kudzu
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:25:49 GMT



Along the lines of the on-going wedding music suggestions, I
would like to get suggestions on songs appropriate for a graduation
party, particularly for a solo voice.  I'm looking more from the 
contemporary side, but I think it would also be interesting to hear 
from the traditional.

Thanks in advance.
-- 

Tim Foster 
E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com 
Organization: Electrical & Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 13:52:46 -0500 
From: Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton

On 04-Nov-92 in "We Will Stand" stolen by C..
user bproden@ualr.edu writes:
>hands lifted high, I realized the song was the chorus from Ruff Taff's
>"We Will Stand."  But it had been reworded, and I couldn't make out the 
>changes they had made.

One of the changes was the line "together we will work until he comes" was 
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
changed to "...to overcome".

It is frustrating when people pull stuff like that, especially when it
takes the glory away from God and gives it to men.

-Meg

Jesus is still coming back, no matter who is president...
From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Chasing kangaroos
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:23:26 GMT
	<1992Nov11.030437.12764@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D

In article <1992Nov11.030437.12764@en.ecn.purdue.edu> sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley) writes:
>    I guess the image of chasing a kangaroo is just about keeping up 
> with things even when they seem impossible.
I think `chase the kangaroo' is just a euphemism for digging.
(you know, digging to australia?)

see what sparkles in our world, never mind the stars
mercy is the silver pearl, vengeance is not ours
gold glistens bright enough to render greedy nations blind
but jesus buried diamonds in a land where love is rare to find

shovel go deep
heart be true
chase the kangaroo

Dale
schouten@uiuc.edu
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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Review:  "Maia Amada" - Maia Amada
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:56:14 GMT



MAIA AMADA - Maia Amada (Dayspring)


   Ever noticed that Dayspring has suddenly been signing "Latin" influenced 
artists?  First, there was Patty Cabera and now, Maia Amada.  Maia's debut 
album is just under 45 minutes (approximately) and produced by Shane 
Keister.  Being familiar with Shane's session work, I have to admit that I 
had pretty high expectations for this album.

   The album starts off with "Love Came Calling", a very upbeat (about 
110bpm) song filled with plenty of Latin percussion and some beautiful 
acoustic guitar work.  The song sets the mood for the rest of the album, 
plenty of percussion and a very Latin/R&B feel.  One soon notices that the 
entire album actually alternates between upbeat, faster numbers and 
ballads.  Her vocals on both the dancier tracks and the ballads are really 
beautiful.  They're powerful enough on the faster tracks to command the 
dance floor and yet gentle enough on the ballads to make you cry out for 
more.  Her voice is unique and should not be compared with any of the other 
artists in the same class, for example Kathy Trocolli and Patty Cabera.

   Lyric sheet scanners will be pretty disappointed with this album, as the 
album features "love" as the predominant theme.  Most of the tracks don't 
feature any of the usual Christian clique terminology.  I'm unable to 
comment on the lyrics in detail as my copy is a pre-release copy without 
the lyric sheet (Yes, we can pretty slow over here in Singapore, where 
stocks of new stuff are concerned).

   Overall, this album features enough dancier numbers to keep the dance 
fans happy and also plenty of ballads to keep those who love slower numbers 
happy.  The production work on this album is fantastic and Maia's vocals 
are truly some of the best performances I've heard in quite a while.  Now, 
if only Dayspring or Word would release 12"s containing remixes of the 
dance tracks on this album, my day would be complete.


   Rating:  8 on the dance-o-meter
 

Rodney Ho

hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg
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