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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: REUNION [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:46:20 GMT
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This is posted at the reqeust of Faraamarz Amjadi.
He is seeking reunion with some of his old friends.

-Laaleh Esmaa-ee-li(last time he heard of her to be in DC or Washington State.
 He is not sure which one.)
-Bahraam Mir-kaamraan
-Daarioush Khalilollaahi
-Shahraam Shaahrokh Bahaari

If you have any clue about the whereabouts of these 
poeple please contact Faraamarz at the following 
address:

Faraamarz Amjadi
1501-70 Garry st. 
Winnipeg-Manitoba
CANADA R3C-3J9

Phone: (204) 956-4754

 
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Organization: Valley of Search
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:23:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.012223.8049@news.acns.nwu.edu> MHz@nwu.edu
(Mariam Hakim-Zargar) writes:

I asked:
>> So the question is why dovom became 'dov-vom' and sevom became 'sev-vom?'

>Hooshiar jAn,
bA dorood bar shomA Maryam.

>	Dovvom and sevvom, have a tashdid for the same reason avval does.

avval is Arabic so one can apply tashdid rule to it.  dovvom and sevvom
are not Arabic words - they are definitely Persian - yet we apply tashdid
rule to them.  I am not at all suggesting this is wrong.  I am searching
for a possible explanation, if any.

Let me confide in you that my 11th grade fArsi teacher in Iran who happened
to be a knowledgeable teacher sincerely believed this was a mistake.  I
don't know myself.  He never told us how this mistake could have happened.

>letter "vAv" comes in the word twice; just like in av-val (dov-vom, sev-vom) 

You are correct as long as we measure a Persian word by an Arabic yardstick.
(yardstick is the rule of tashdid).  My curious question is simply why?  My
more curious question would be if Iranian linguists were so infatuated with
tashdid rule to have decided to apply it to Persian words, why can't we find
more of these incidents of tashdiding (wow!) amongst Persian words?

>then the other two should be obvious, no?  That's just the way it is!

Well, a that's-the-way-it-is answer is my last option.  I hoped not to
have to resort to it.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
 
>> dast garmi Exercise:  What is the Persian word for aval?
>
>hmmm... yekom.  Sounds good to me, what do you think?

Bingo!  So we are warmed up now.



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From: shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.)
Subject: Re: News from Iran
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:14:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.063541.6385@ole.cdac.com> sharam@ole.cdac.com (Sean Namazi) writes:
>
>
>	New York Times, Jan. 25, 1993
> 
>
>	TEHERAN,  IRAN, Jan 25- A hard-line Iranian daily reported today that 
>	the Iranian government would  market Winston cigarettes under the name
>	Bistoon, asserting that it was squandering public money on "the 
>	lowliest of consumer goods". 
>
>	The newspaper, Salam, said the Iranian tobacco organization would sell
>	Bistoon cigarettes in agreement with the R.J. Reynolds Co.  Winston
>	had  been the best selling cigarette brand in Iran.

isnt it fascinating that islam, the 'sacre-me-straight' religion, outlaws
alchohol, pork, etc yet allows smoking???

>
>
>-- 
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>Cascade Design Automation Corp. | Internet:  sharam@ole.cdac.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.)
Subject: Re: Iranian/American culture (Re: .. translator in the house)
Keywords: followup on Aref/Ala discussion, Iranian/American cultural diff.
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:30:29 GMT

In article <sehari.728169673@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>No one would mind if the late Walt Disney, T. Edison would had Iranian
>wife.  However; we do not like to see good Iranian women get themselves 
>involved with an alcoholic, wife battering, drag addict people.  So, once
>       		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

remember, americans at least have laws against wife-beating.  we, 
on the other hand, proudly endorse/justify it in quran.  im sure youre
very proud of such darker alleys of our culture.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Ramin Shamsili, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili)
Subject: Turkish Journalist Assasinated; Islamic Interpretation?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:15:53 GMT

In article <1jukc0INNj00@morrow.stanford.edu> hq.ggg, HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:

The following news is taken from soc.culture.turkish; 
As the discussion on Islamic interpretation and Islamic rules continues in
our news group : soc.culture.iranian, I thought maybe someone can respond 
to the following question after reading the following news:

Question : Is there any where in Islamic instruction and rules which makes it
HalAl or MobAh to take the life of a journalist with different way of thinking
and what will the supporters of Islamic goverment ( any kind of it, or is there
only one type?) do to free press and media and journalists (like Ugur Mumcu)
eventually after comming to power?

The first newspaper I read in Turkish was Cumhuriyet; Ever since
I have followed Ugur Mumcus  column in the paper with enthusiasm and
admiratrion although I did not agree with him 100%.
I cry for Ugur Mumcu and all the victims of violence and terrorism. May
his soul rest in peace........ 

>1/24 Bomb Kills Turkish Journalist Ugur Mumcu
>
>   ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A car bomb on Sunday killed a
>left-wing Turkish columnist known for his investigation of
>the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope Paul II.
>   The reporter, Ugur Mumcu, 50, was killed instantly by the
>bomb when he started his car outside his apartment in an
>upper-class residential district.
>   Mumcu, a columnist for the Istanbul daily Cumhuriyet, was
>outspoken against Islamic fundamentalism and Kurdish
>separatism and was considered an expert on terrorism.
>   A group calling itself the Islamic Salvation claimed
>responsibility for the bombing in anonymous telephone calls
>to newspapers. It was the first time such a group, described
>as fundamentalist, had been heard of.
>   After the slaying, Premier Suleyman Demirel and several
>Cabinet members rushed to Mumcu's house to express their
>sympathy to his wife.
>   "The killers will be found," Demirel said.
>   His government is under fire for failing to apprehend the
>killers of other leading secularists, including another
>noted journalist and two professors, all slain in the past
>three years.
>   Mumcu, a vigorous defender of secularism in Turkey, had
>reported receiving death threats from extremist Islamic
>groups.
>   While 99 percent of Turkey's 57 million people are
>Muslim, the state is officially secular. But fundamentalist
>groups are demanding an Islamic state, and they have become
>more influential in recent years.
>   Mumcu gained international fame with his books on the
>background of the assasination attempt on Pope John Paul II
>in Vatican City's St. Peter's Square in May 1981 by the
>right-wing Turkish terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.
>   Mumcu said the plot was linked to Bulgarian arms
>smugglers.
>
From: kirmani@math.uni.edu ( Syed Kirmani )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Iranian intrests section [sci-poster]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:53:51 GMT
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Would someone please post the phone number and the full address of
the Iranian interests section , Washington,D.C.? Thanks.
 
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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: Ash-e reshteh [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Denver without ASHe reshteh 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:18:10 GMT

>>>>>> Anonymous writes:
: 
[**** Haji in Denver deleted the lines ****]
: 
: RezA jAn:
: 
: 	I am not putting you on. I just wanted to see if talking about 
: Ash-e reshteh would make hAji to post the recipe. I guess Ash-e reshteh
: doesn't have many "tarafdAr"s.
: 
: ShahrAm
Yes. Haji does it. Just say food and Haji is there (like ala addin).
I will when I come back from Denver. I am in Denver and looking for
Ba_hal people and so far I have found afew.

Khoda fez
Haji and no ashe resshteh.
From: ramins@kjemi.unit.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: testing THE NEWS
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:01:55 GMT
Organization: DEPT. Inorganic Chemistry/NTH NORway


 Ignore,Just testing
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Economic news from Iran [sci-poster]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:18:59 GMT

In article <lm8dq7INNje3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, Mohamad Ebrahimi <ebrahim@ee.UManitoba.CA> writes:
|> 
|>   From Kayhan Havai #1015 - Jan. 13,1993
|> 
|> 
|>   Ahvaz(IRNA)- About 400,000 tones will be added to Iran's annual output of
|>   sponge iron with the opening Sunday of direct processing unit 1 of the

Thanks for the info but what is "sponge iron" ?

For a second I thought it was a  

make up kit for mAdare folAd-zereh!


:-)

-- 
Farhad
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; GERDSOOZ [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 23 Jan 1993 13:48:32 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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In article <1993Jan21.192954.18569@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk (J.S.Jafari-Sisi) writes:
>: The only thing I know about this sofware is the name of it.
>: Its name is GERDSOOZ and I tried to write with it but I couldnt
>: If you see any article under MASH CHERAGHALI you could send
>: E.MAIL and ask him.
>: 
>: 
>: With Regards
>: 
>AQA Sirus, sa ma_le_kom:
>
>This gerdsooz is a real nice work by a real nice and smart person (Mash cheragh
>ALi). I use it most the times and I have been able to ported on UNIX system and
>on IBM PC of my choice. It is a very friendly program and if you have difficulty
>with it let Mash cheragh know about it and if Mash Cheragh Ali does not mind, I
>will be very happy to help you. Please remember all the good credits goes to
>the author of Gerdsooz. What I mean is do not give any one else a chelokabob or
>ASH-reshte you should give it to Ali AghA. I have his real email address and I 
>do not want to post it here because he may not want to. But If you post a 
>"Help me gerdsooz" then he will see it.
>
>Roseton Khosh.
>Haji
>
>PS.  Are you going to run it on VMS/OS?.
 
bA salAm, 
Speaking of GERDSOOZ, sometimes when an article contains farsi words generated
by it, a single line is vertically split between two screens, often making it
unreadable. If the source code were changed so that the program would insert
a page break between, say, every three or four lines, this problem could be
solved.

 
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:33:04 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Re; Is there an interpreter in the house? [sci-anon-poster]

In article <lm1k1eINNbii@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, >>>>>> Anonymous says:
>
>In article<93022.113840RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>, <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
>(Reza Modarres) writes:
>
>>       ...
>>   sees no objection in non-Iranians marrying Iranians. It's the process that
>>   he is objecting to. And that my dear Aref, is very much cultural. It's
>>   not uneducated, hickish, or whatever else you tried to label it. It's
>>   only a man's opinion of his culture.
>>
>>RezA
>
>Well said AghA rezA! How about this coming friday or saturday for lunch?
>I should first check with them to make sure that they have Ash-e reshteh;
>otherwise I won't eat! You set the time.
>
>Thank you again,
>
>ShahrAm
>
>
  Hey man, How can I schedual something on the net. Are you putting me on
  or what. Mail me directly and I'll let you know what my schedual is.

RezA
From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Email from Iran [sci-poster]
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:20:55 GMT
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Sorry about the previous incomplete message. I got the following 
Email message from Mr. Mashayekh in Iran. It sounds very exciting!
    
   - Farzin
               
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Dr. Mokhtarian
Our Institute is Iran's representative in EARN. Other universities and
research centers in Iran will be connected to our node in the near future.
But there is no such connection yet and we don't act as a mail distributer
for them. We have a six month plan for connection purposes and I hope
we could make it on time.
Doostdaar/Mashayekh
P.S. You can use my userid for sending messages to Informatics Society
     of Iran.

                               
 
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From: etxmajz@solsta-c.solsta.ericsson.se (Majid Zolfaghari  TX/DKG)
Subject: Re: Unreadable poems [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB, Karlstad, Sweden.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:05:59 GMT


> This is in response to baabak and haaji firooz.
> I will be glad to know if you have any problem 
> reading the poems I have posted so far. I, 
> delibrately, refused to use gerdsooz as I think
> it takes a lot of space. And also I don't feel 
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> comfortable with it ( actually,this might be the 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	< ***********  stuff deleted *********** >
> 
> NORTH-POLE-MAN

Hello NORTH-POLE-MAN,
It may be more comfortable to write poems not using
gerdooz. But it will be much more comfortable for readers
if you use that tool. I promise you that you will get
at least one more reader (me!) if you write the poems in
persian!

I believe that you post the poems to be read by as many
"hamvatanaan" as possible.

Majid Zolfaghari
etxmajz@solsta.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Cruise Missiles (pesar amoo)
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:15:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.090209.4942@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter
Capell) writes:
> 
> >22-Jan-93 10:54 J10B000 <J10B@UNB.CA> Re: Cruise missiles 
> 
> >1) It was Iraq that in Sept. 1980 strated the war.
> 
> Only if you are being disingenuous.  Actually Khomeini started the war by 
> attempting to instigate an overthrow of Saddam.  I shouldn't have to say that
> I don't like Saddam, but I will say that from a purely military point
of view,
> he probably did exactly as he should.  His power was threatened, so he
> attacked.  

Peter, I think you are letting your feelings about Khomeini affect your
judgement. Was Israel justified in bombing Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1980
because Israel perceived it as a threat? Are Israel's neighbors
justified in starting a war against Israel if they perceive Israel as a
threat. Mind you, these are military threats, not ideological ones. Now,
is communism a threat to capitalism or vise versa? Is such a threat
worth starting a war over? The U.S. is trying to overthrow Castro;
should Cuba attack the U.S.? 

My point is that it is the norm rather than exception for countries to
attempt to exert their interests abroad. Generally, however, this is not
viewed as cause to initiate a war; at least not a military one. 
 
[...]

> >3) The U.S. reason for doing this was to control Iran.
> 
> This I believe, but whether or not it is the US controlling Iran, someone
> probably should do something about a government that will put out a public
> death threat against a man for exercising his right to free speech.  
> 

[...]

This issue is terribly overblown, in my opinion. Rafsanjani has done
virtually everything in his power to assure the world that Iran has no
"designs" on Rushdie's life. Such "gestures" have gone essentially
unnoticed, especially (in my opinion) in the eyes of those who wish to
continue to villify the Iranian people and government.
 
[...]

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: shazde.mirfakhr@m.cc.utah.edu (khashayar mirfakhraei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: re:environmentalist in persian [sci-poster]
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:03:54 GMT
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Environmentalist in Farsi
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan20.002040.3041@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
>
>Drood:
>
>I was wandering if anyone knows the Farsi word for "Environmentalist". 
>Also I remember a while ago some people came up with "recycling" word as well.
>
>I would appreciate any effort.
>
>Ba Sepas Faravan

Dear Sir,
The equivalent of the Environmental Protection Agency ( E.P.A.) in persian
and in Iran is  "sAzmAn-e hefAzat az moheet-e zeest", which is indeed a 
governmental agency without much influence and budget appropriation.
There are no  private organized entities under a unified party or agency
( ie. Green Peace ) in Iran that denote themselves as an "environmentalist"
group.  however an environmentalist is called " TarafdAr-e HefAzat az
moheet-e zeest",which in literal translation to English will be 
supporter of protection of ecosystem.

Khashayar Mirfakhraei


 
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From: farhad@cwi.nl (Farhad Arbab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: On the lighter side ...
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:45:44 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <lm9ur7INNm81@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, forghani@condor.ccrit.doc.ca (B. Forghani (Idacom/HP)) writes:

|> 
|> Up to around 30 years ago, Iranians had a ceremony called the ritual of killing
|> Ommar or Ommar Koshoon. In the eve of the last Wednesday of the year,
|> ChAhAr-Shanbeh-Soori where zealot Shi'its burnt a statue of Ommar. The excuse
|> was that Ali was the legitimate Khalif after death of Mohammad and Ommar had
|> denied him his right to lead moslems which is the basis of Shi'ism. The real
|> reason is perhaps the invasion of Iran when he was in power. The ceremony of
|> Ommar Koshoon was banned during the Shah's regime.

Actually the day (often called "eid", i.e., a day of jubilant
celebration!) of "Omar koshoon" was, understandably, notorious for
heightening of sectarian animosity between Shi'is and Sunnis, which
would sometimes end up in physical violence, with the Sunnis (usually
a minority in every community) on its receiving end.

This reminds me of an anecdote that is also the basis for a
popular (well, at least among older generations) expression.
Here it goes:

On the "eid" of "Omar koshoon" the people of a certain city were
beating up a man named "OmrAn".  A passer by stopped them and asked
them, "What are you beating him up for?  He is not 'Omar'!"  They
replied "Not only this bastard is 'Omar', he also has the additional
'alef' and 'noon' of 'OsmAn'!"

In case you have never heard it before, the last sentence, above,
is an expression in Persian.

|> 
|> Behdad
|> 
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Cheers,

Farhad Arbab
Interactive Systems
Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science
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The Netherlands
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