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From: elbjr@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Edward L. Brown, Jr.)
Subject: Problem with Rooney Rule
Keywords: Free Agency
Organization: Southern Investigations  Marietta, GA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:55:22 GMT


Let me see if I understand this correctly, One of the top four teams in the NFL
(i.e the conference championship teams) can sign a free agent IF they lose a
free agent.  Now, FOR AN EXAMPLE: if Reggie White were to sign with Dallas, the
Dallas team would have to lose a free agent who they pay more or the same as
they would sign Reggie White for. Right??  Or is it what the free agent, they
lose, signs for with another team. 

Reason why I ask, is that many people are saying Dallas WILL sign White because
they will lose Steve Beurline (sp) to free agency.  But, I don't think Steve
makes at least 2.5 Million a year, what White is asking for.  Can someone clear
the air for me without flaming the hell out of a simple question.

Thanks in advance,
Edward


P.S. IMHO, I think Dan Reeves would make a excellent GM for any ball club, but
as coach of the Giants maybe a bad thing.  Ritchie Peitibone(sp) would make a
better coach.  You may Flame away at that one.  :)

 
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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: One fan's opinion on the big one
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:14:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



Super Bowl WhateverTheDamnRomanNumeralIs 


Buffalo

Offense: Explosive passing game, feeds off the running game, great RB 
         and backup, QB will take chances.
Defense: Superstars who play a lot on emotion, physical up front, solid LBs
         and average secondary.


Dallas

Offense: Controlled aggression, great set of WRs+TE, great RB, 
         conservative QB who won't lose the game for you by forcing passes.

Defense: Solid, average pass-rush, secondary could be a weak point if
         the line can't put enough pressure, good run defense.


Outlook: Buffalo will score. That is given. It will boil down to how well
their defense plays. If they let Dallas run on them and control the clock
(especially in the 1st half), Buffalo's offense will be under a lot of 
pressure. How will Dallas' defense react to the no-huddle? We don't know.
Dallas can't afford to fall behind by 10+ points, their offense takes
time to score. Buffalo is the only AFC team that can physically match Dallas 
up front on both the offensive and defensive lines.

Should be a doozy.. take Buffalo +7



--Prashanth
  prash@raman.ucsd.edu
  UC San Diego
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From: rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: hmmm....? what?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:27:34 GMT

In one of these many annoying articles, edward lorr states...
that S.F at 15-3 and Buffalo at 14-5 is a THREE game difference.

WRONG. 
If Buffalo won ONLY 2 of those five loses they are 16-3, a BETTER record.
(Winning one more game this year makes them 15-4)
So it's more like a 1.5 game difference.

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From: anda@ahpcrc.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda)
Subject: Re: McMahon to Steelers?!?!
Organization: University of Minnesota, AHPCRC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:02:19 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.041123.13214@ncsu.edu>, Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
> In article <dchou.727402459@husc.harvard.edu> dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David
> Chou) writes:
> >wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
> >
> >
> >>...
> >
> 	Actually Jimmy Mac got along very well with his Philly teammates, especially
> the lineman.  There was almost a revolt on that team because everyone liked him
> so much more than Cunningham.  Remember, Jimmy Mac is actually a big family
> man, and the shades are to protect his sensitive eyes.		I think Pittsburh
> should get him, he would provide the leadership that team needs.
> 
> Bill Perry
> 
I wholeheartedly concur.  McMahon earned and received an almost fanatical loyalty
from his offensive lines at both Chicago and Philly.  His performances for the
Eagles when he couldn't even shave himself were nothing short of incredible.  In
Chicago, he once bought the whole line shotguns.  I think that he was also the
first pro quarterback to regularly head-butt with his linemen after sucessful
plays (subsequently curtailed due to the injury risk).  The problems with Ditka,
I believe, were that they were too much alike (remember, that as a player, Ditka
had quite a few run-ins with Halas).  If the head coach at where-ever McMahon
ends up has the courage to let him "do his own thing," McMahon will win for him.
Except for Montana, I can think of no current QB with a better ability to exploit
the weaknesses of a defense.
   His eyes are sensitive because he put a fork in one as a kid.
As an aside, isn't it ironic how many ex-Bear QBs are still active and winning
games (when they have a chance to play): McMahon, T-zak, and Evans (not to
mention Flutie in Canada).
   One intangible of a good veteran "greybeard" QB is the ability to know when to
castigate a lineman when he isn't performing and get him to produce.

&y&a
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: BILLS WIN!!!!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:29 GMT

Picked up my mail this morning.... new SI arrived...
Emmitt Smith on the cover..... :)

Oh joy!!! ... I guess the Bills will finally win one!

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From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Ninth Annual All-Madden Team Announced
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 01:31:06 GMT

Practically all of the names on his list are from the NFC! I only saw a couple
of names from the AFC (mostly Houston). Sheeshhh....
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From: pelle@lotka.teorekol.lu.se (Par Ingvarsson)
Subject: Re: Dallas/Buffalo
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:33:42 GMT

In article <wfLUwRK00aw3AAN0hs@andrew.cmu.edu> "Michael D. Goettsche" <mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What's going on with most of these posters?  I've noticed a trend toward
>  Stuff Deleted
>
>TE - Edge to Dallas!  Novacek is the best TE in the game, no questions
>asked.  Metzelaars and McKeller are fine, but they are no match for
>Novacek.
>
BEEEEEP !!! Wrong Answer. Novaceck might be among the best receiving TE's
                                                           ----------
in the league.............
(Just don't forget Jackie Harris, Brent Jones, Keith Jackson .......

<Stuff Deleted>

-eppy
From: joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mike Saxon punting poorly
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:33:24 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: langtry.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Super Bowl, Cowboys

In article <1993Jan21.165445.3111@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com> gil@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Mike Saxon has been punting very poorly recently (short punts,
>no hang time).  Anybody know why?
>
>-Baldemar Gil  (Lockheed Artificial Intelligence Center)


I haven't seen anyone suggest this yet, but could it possibly be because of
age?  He has been around quite a while.

You can count on Saxon having some competition at training camp in '93,
unlike '92.

By the way, shouldn't we start a separate thread, or even a separate
newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of the relative positions of the
words "*ss" and "f*ck" on the vulgarity scale?  After all, this could
determine the outcome of every NFL game well into the 28th century.  :)
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: REGGIE WHITE close to signing with Washington
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I would think that one Derrick Thomas would be the appointed franchise
player of the KC Chiefs.  

satish nair
giants
From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Retired uniform numbers
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:12:29 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <EHA.30.727708182@stud.hsn.no> EHA@stud.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord) writes:
>official NFL 1990 records and facts book. Please feel free to include
>players whoose numbers are retired during the past couple of years.
>
>AFC:
>====
>San Diego Chargers:
>#14 Dan Fouts

#18 Charlie Joiner                     
	was it not retired two\three years back?  I thought i remebered being
	at that game.  (maybe that was Fouts).  I know there was much 
	talk about it.  Anyway, IT SHOULD BE!!!! (help me out)

--djd
"It's ashame that an entire family should be torn apart by something as
	simple as wild dogs." --J.H.

PS:  Should they start making plans to retire #55 yet?
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Championship streaks trivia questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:48:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <Jan.21.18.31.19.1993.18651@riches.rutgers.edu>
rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads) writes:

> 1.  What team went to six consecutive NFL championships?

      Cleveland

> 2.  What team went to five NFL championships in six years only to lose
>     all of them?

      NY Giants
 
> 3.  What team went to ten NFL/NFC championships in thirteen years?

      Dallas
> 
> 4.  What team went to nine AFL/AFC championships in eleven years?

      Oakland


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From: msb@cats.ucsc.edu (Maurice S. Barnum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jerseys - Dark/White? Hoiw?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:19:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: world,local
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f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>In article <90531@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen) writes...
>>In <1993Jan21.152912.28780@netcom.com> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
>> 
>>>I know in basketball and baseball - home games, they wear
>>>light/white jerseys and road games they wear dark jerseys.
>> 
[ ... ]
>I'm wondering why football's system differs from baseball and basketball.
>Since when did teams decide to wear dark jerseys at home and white on the
>road?  How early does this tradition date from?

No real historical details, but I believe that once upon a time,
most teams wore white on the road, and dark at home.  As to why it
changed, I don't know, maybe when the Cowboys were wearing white
at home and were "America's Team"?

anyway, as far as I understand, the home team picks the color, and
the away team where's the other.

Which would suggest that Dallas will be in white, regardless of
who the home team is in the Super Bowl this year.
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Jersey Colors in the NFL
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:05:21 GMT

In article 28780@netcom.com,  derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
>I know in basketball and baseball - home games, they wear
>light/white jerseys and road games they wear dark jerseys.

Hockey is like this as well ...

>But in football this is not the case. I've seen Redskins always
>selexcting white jerseys and other teams dark.
>
>SHouldn't it be balanced? How do they choose dark/light jerseys?
>
>- Scotty
>

The NFL allows the home team to select which color jersey they will wear
(white or dark).  Consequently, the visiting team must wear the opposite.

I would say that the majority of the teams wear dark at home, with notable
exceptions.  Let's see who wears what ...


HOME DARK (full season): NY Giants, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay,
                         San Francisco, Atlanta, LA Rams, New Orleans,
                         Buffalo, Indianapolis, NY Jets, New England,
                         Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston, LA Raiders, Seattle,
                         Kansas City, Denver

HOME WHITE (full season): Washington, Dallas, Tampa Bay

HOME WHITE (half season): Philadelphia, Phoenix, Cincinnati, San Diego

HOME WHITE (except night games): Miami


I somehow recall Tampa going back to home orange at some point this season,
but cannot recall.  Of course, please note any corrections to this list.


Bob - flames >/dev/null   :-)

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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: RIGGIE WHITE close to signing with Washington
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:54:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.211700.5400@nlm.nih.gov>, news@nlm.nih.gov writes:
> In an recent interview reggie white said that he is 
> talking with washington very seriously. Also he
> mentioned that since washington is so close to
> philadelphia that he and his family will not have
> to go through major changes.....

All this Reggie White talk is getting way out of hand.  Normally, I'd
be up on the situation, but work and personal obligations have taken up
all of my time the past two weeks.  But just from taking a quick glimpse
at the calendar I see that it isn't February 1, yet.  It is my
understanding that until that date, all players, including the MINISTER
of DEFENSE , are property of their current team.  Any team illegally
negotiating with another team's player should be disciplined by the
league office.

If the above report about Washington talking to Reggie is true, then
for your pennance, Redskins, send CB Darryl Green and your entire
offensive line to Philadelphia and all will be forgiven:-)!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
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Allentown, PA  18103
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: Do you know who had most All Maddens?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:56:12 GMT

In article <93026.234358RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>    (who had how many All-Maddens deleted)
>
> Oh yeah, if you're out there reading this Fat John, your Bills got NOTHING!  N
>UDDING!  NOT TING!  ZERO!

if you listened to Mr. Madden, he only took players from teams he saw in action
this season.... Madden did not cover a Bills game this year, and thus could not
pick any Buffalo players for just THAT reason... the fact that the 2 NFC teams
that visited Buffalo this year (Rams and Falcons) sucked (this yr.) is NOT a 
reflection on Da Bills' talent.
>
> I apologize to the rest of the Bills fans but Fat John is a conceited dumb-ass
> haole who's likes to pretend he knows football.

OK.... fine...

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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: Re: Doug Atkins
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:26:12 CST

In article 13912@fuug.fi, an6552@anon.penet.fi (Sneaky Weevil) writes:
>	Can someone please tell me the guernsey number of former New Orleans 
>Saints defensive end Doug Atkins when he was with the Saints.  He was
>admitted to the Hall of Fame I believe.
>
>	Email or post...  thanks.
>
His jersey number was #81.

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:33:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan20.223303.2306@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.161655.32214@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>It's not always, it's more often than not. And BTW, the team with 3 more
>wins is almost always ranked higher. 

But, SF only has 1 more victory than Buffalo.  Are you going to attempt to
say that "the team with 1 more win is almost always ranked higher"???
Lots of examples to disprove this theory...

>
>>Someone forgot to tell that to Texas A&M.  And what about
>>college basketball???  Oppps, I guess Virginia doesn't count either...
>Right, Virginia beat Duke but still ranked lower than Duke. Thanks for
>proving my point.

Disproves your point as well.   The team with the better record is not 
considered better, as you have been attempting to claim.  Thankx for proving
my point...

>SF 15-3, Buffalo 14-5. 
>
>On what basis do you say your data point is the only true data point?


Cite the article where I say my data point is the only true data point...
Come on Ed, Cite It or shut up...


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From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2-weeks to SB is too long!
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:42:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <93022.071423TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.
EDU writes:
>After the N/AFC Championship games there should be only 1 week to the Super Bow
>l!  There aren't any advantages for the two teams, except for the fans who
>want to watch the game live in Pasadena.  In the mean time, I guess I watch
>the Professional Bowlers Tour.
>
Disagreed. Eliminate the media circus, and you eliminate the extra week. The
extra week was not used in the Bills Giants SB XXV, and because the game is so
hyped, the players, as well as the media, need to adjust to the circus.
Besides, the anticipation is always greater than the actual reception, in MOST
cases.
 
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From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Frank Reich
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:11:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <93027.134302JAS218@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAS218@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeff Shelto
n) writes:
>I think he should be the starting quarterback for the Bills, and I'm a Bills
>fan.  Get rid of Kelly for draft picks and the Bills are set for the next
>five years.  Reich is the man.
>
>Joe C.  - A Frank Fun Bunch Member - I was at the Houston Playoff game and
>am very proud of it.
>
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Ego, er, uh, KELLY is just an idiot. He is the only QB in the NFL who
thinks he can throw into quadruple coverage. It was said before the Miami game
by Ed Kilgore (Local Sportscaster in Buffalo) and many others including Larry
Felser and Vic Carruci (co-wrote Kelly's book) that although both have the
potential to WIN the game, Kelly as equal potential to LOSE the game.
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From: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who is the SuperBowl Home Team?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:23:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.30172
Reply-To: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Yep, that's my question.

Who is the Home team in the super bowl?

Anyone? Anyone?