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From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Subject: Re: Low SAQ play by SF 49ers + Giants!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:12:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.064333.10694@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.055551.17111@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>>>
>>>  If you are going to pass, try a higher 
>>>  percentage play than the fly to Rice.
>>
>>If you're going to criticize coaches, try picking up on somebody 
>>whose winning percentage is slightly lower than Seifert. 

I have to agree! This was a BONEHEAD CALL! I don't think Seifert was calling
the plays though, although he is ultimately responsible. A running play, or
high percentage pass in-bounds would've made alot more sense.

GO 9ers!
-newson
>
>Hey, regardless of how good a coach he is, the criticism is still a 
>valid one.  That was a *bonehead* play.  I was saying the same thing
>to myself when Young tossed up the bomb... why???  Not that it brings
>tears to my eyes when the 9ers make a bad play, but I just couldn't
>figure it out.  If they run the ball (or fall on it for that matter),
>they leave the Bucs with about 15 seconds and no timeouts and basically
>*no* chance to do anything.  As it was, Tampa Bay might have had a chance
>to drive for a score with some decent clock management and, as the 
>previous poster noted, they still wound up with a pass into the endzone
>from 35 yards out.
>
>
>Jim
>-- 
>Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
>jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
>EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.210943.23105@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:

>Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh?  Young is *OK*???!!!  I'm no 9ers fan, but this is the best QB in
the league we're talking about.  We'd be happy to take him (the Vikes
that is). :-)

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: AP Coach of the Year 1992
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:16:58 GMT

Quoted from the SF Chronicle (12/30/92) w/o permission:

The Pittsburgh Steeler's Bill Cowher, at 35 young enough to still be
playing football, beat a strong field of fellow rookies to win the
Associated Press 1992 Coach of the Year Award, announced yesterday.

The vote:

     Cowher      23
     Ross        20
     Holmgren     9 1/2
     Green        8
     Seifert      7
     Marchibroda  6

A total of 79 votes were cast.  No other information was provided.
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:59:05 GMT

st> Steve Tobias

st> Whether [old NFL teams that became AFC teams] were winning or losing, for
    the few years after the merger, the NFL would deserve the credit (or blame)
    for their quality of play (or lack thereof). With turnover, the three teams
    lost their old NFL identity. By the late 70s, the three could be considered
    AFL teams, for better or worse.

  Well, is it a "few years" or more? Given that little stat that MNF showed the
  other night (20+ of 44 SF players had never played with Joe Montana, even
  though he's be out ~2 years) why do you refuse to give credit to AFC teams
  stomping on NFC teams, in the Super Bowl, for nearly *10* years ("the late
  70s")?

  Why don't you look up the rosters of the NFL Steelers of 1969 (their last
  NFL season) and the AFC Steelers of 1974 (their first SB win) to see how much
  turnover there had been, OK? Hint: Terry Bradshaw wasn't a Steeler until
  1970, their first AFC year.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:59:23 GMT

<16099@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
><1992Dec24.214835.9201@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) :
>|And that's what I was referring to.  There is a lot of talk about who
>|should be the league's MVP and Young's name pops up.
>
>Yes, and by a lot of people that probably know a little bit more about football
>than the readers of this group.

That I doubt.  Most of the people I was referring to were sports writers.

>|I think he's a fine
>|QB and valuable to his team, but...  If he gets hurt what happens?  Gee, I
>|guess they'd have to use Bono (a qb that would a "starting QB anywhere
>|else"), or <gasp> Montana (whom some believe to be the greatest QB ever).
>
>Why should an individual player be penalized because the team he plays on
>has some depth?  

Excuse me?  NOT receiving the MVP is not a penalty.  Unless you are
claiming that over 1200 players are penalized each year.

>                 Wouldn't the fact that the player manages to play most of
>the season without the need for the backup contribute to the value of the
>player of the team.  

I guess that Aikman wins it then.  If I remember right Bono HAD to play a
little for Young when he got hurt.  Bueurlein only played yesterday
because it was a blowout.  My, I like your logic.

>                     It makes no difference how good the backup is.

Kinda helps you determine the value of a player doesn't it.  If they
didn't have any good backup wouldn't you think that Young would be a
little more valuable to them?

>|It doesn't even sound to me like Young is the best QB on his own team, how
>|could he be the MVP of the league?
> 
>Perhaps you forgot what MVP stands for.  The "P" stands for player which means
>that athelete probably should play if they are to become eligable for the
>award.  

Perhaps you fogot what the 'V' stands for.

>|>Frankly, I don't give a hoot who win's the MVP. I only care that Young wins
>|>the SB and the SB MVP!
>|
>|Which he won't.
>
>prove it.

I guess we'll have to wait until after the SB.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
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From: andy@sunloop.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Don't do it! (was Re: The Packers still suck)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:27:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunloop.central.sun.com

In article <1992Dec22.144117.1300@cs.wisc.edu> larrym@ssec.wisc.edu (Larry McGuire ) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec21.203305.12516@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:
>|> >secured is meaningless.  Sorry, I guess I'll became a Bears fan, after all,
>|> >rumor has it Ditka is on his way out.
>
>Some other symptoms that require immediate attention:
>
>-  Removing your favorite brand of beer from the frifge and replacing it 
>   with Old Style
>
>-  Actually being able to understand Butkus' commentary during the game.
>
>-  Pulling maps of Door county/No. Wisconsin out and saying "Honey, were should
>   we go this weekend?"
>
>-  Calling the Chamber of Commerce in Platville and asking for names of 4 star 
>   hotels with openings this August.


	o	Speaking in complete sentences.

	o	Resisting the desire to take you 30.06 when you
		go see Bambi.

	o	Wondering what kulture exists in other states ? 

	o	Not bragging about the 3 strikes in a row during
		last Saturday night's bowling league.

--
Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: BILLS all bets
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:41:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


Bills 22
houston 12

All bets accepted!


We ut, we know dat!go
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON))
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:26:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




I also agree that Aikman has become one of the better QBs in the NFL. Last
year when everyone was going on about how one day Troy will be good, I though
they were wrong.  Well, I stand corrected... his game against 'Lanta was one
of the best I've seen from a QB.  As to Dallas having a lot of offensive
weapons, one thing to keep in mind is that the offense is designed around
Troy (who was a first round draft choice for JJ's new team).  I also agree
about the interceptions...  but I believe he'll improve on this too.

satish nair
giants (is he gone yet?)
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff games - NFC
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:57:55 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec23.171245.974@seas.smu.edu> krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna) writes:
>For Dallas, their opponent in the second round is therefore determined
>by the Minnesota game. If #3 Minnesota is upset by Washington/ Green Bay
>then #6 Washington/ Green Bay goes to San Francisco and the winner of the
>Philadelphia/ New Orleans game comes to Dallas. However, if #3 Minnesota
>does win, then they come to Dallas and the Philadelphia/ New Orleans winner
>goes to San Francisco. 
>
>For Cowboy fans, the latter scenario is desirable. I think Dallas would 
>like to meet Minnesota rather than Philadelphia/ New Orleans. 
>

I think so too, but as a Dallas fan, I think it for a different reason.  I
would give Dallas the win over either Philadelphia or New Orleans in Dallas,
but I would rather them go to San Francisco because they are more likely
to upset the 49ers than Washington/Green Bay is.  If they do, and Dallas
wins, Dallas gets to host the NFC Championship game!

Alright, Philly, you get a second chance.  I rooted for you earlier this
year over San Francisco, and you let me down.  Don't let it happen again! :^)

Daniel Welch
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.225239.27876@Princeton.EDU> hariharn@roebling.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>In article <29710117@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>>(walid al-sabah) /  9:43 am  Dec 18, 1992 /
>>>From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92
>>
>>>	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
>>>	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
>>>	running back  Roger  Craig  isn't that impressed  with  Seifert's
>>>	accomplishments.   "Look  at  him  with the talent he has," Craig
>>>	told the  San Francisco Chronicle. "Anybody can step in and do  a
>>>	good  job  in that system. It's not like he created  this big era
>>>	of what they're [49ers] doing. Bill  Walsh did that a  long  time
>>>	ago."
>>
>>Sure, it's no sweat to take over a championship team and continue the
>>tradition.  I'm sure a lot of Packer fans can tell us about the
>>tremendous success enjoyed by Phil Bengston, who took over for Lombardi.
>>
>>- Gary Rosen
>
>Ray Handley from Parcells.

Well, maybe the difference was between great teams with great coaches and
so-so teams with great coaches?  Anybody follow that?  What I mean to suggest
is possibly the Packers weren't that good - just well motivated.  Same for
the Giants.  Without looking at individual injuries and retirements it's
really hard to compare these teams.

San Fran. has a lot of talent because they pay for it.
--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packers still suck and swallow.
Brookfield, WI  53005
From: chf0@bunny.gte.com (Curt Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: DOLPHINS WIN AFC EAST !!!
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: chf0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

Wow!  After all the hype.. after the ups and downs and last minute
comebacks, the Dolphins have won the AFC Eastern Division championship
for the first time since... oh, 1985, wasn't it?  (Gidi?) ( I can't
find my Dolphin media guide right now. )

Wow!  After the 6-0 start and the 2-5  mid-season and the last minute
wins over both the Jets and the Patriots, the Dolphins have done it.

And they've set a few records on the way.  Dan Marino becomes the
first QB in history to pass for over 4000 yards 5 times in his career.
And he's not done yet.

Don Shula has won his 300th regular season game as a head coach.
Including playoff games, that puts his total win record at about 317.

So it's on to the playoffs!!  With a week off to allow the injured to
heal and home field for the first game, at least.  Who would have
believed it!!!

I'm still in shock!  But enjoying every minute.  

MIAMI DOLPHINS  --  AFC EAST DIVISION CHAMPIONS 1992 !!

How sweet it is!
-- 
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions
From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sugar Bowl, 1942
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:23:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Ok folks...I know this is the wrong group, but I need to know who played in the 1942 Sugar Bowl...I believe the score was 2-0.

Direct E-Mail woul be appreciated ASAP.

Thanks,
Dick Harkness
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Aikman a weakness??
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 00:57:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <BztyMr.4nu@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.201838.4176@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>>Ask any General Manager for any team in the league (yes, Buffalo, Miami,
>>Denver, San Francisco, Houston, too) if they would trade their starting
>>quarterback for Aikman, and they wouldn't even have to think about the
>>answer; absolutely yes.
>
>I am a Cowboy fan and I think the world of Aikman (I started watching college
>football because of him when he went to the local school here-UCLA), but I
>don't agree than ANY GM would trade their starting QB for Aikman. Do you think
>Shula would want someone other than Marino? I think not. I don't think they
>would trade straight across for Kelly, Elway or Young. Yes, Aikman has talent
>and a future. The other thing he has on these guys is age. If they were to
>trade for Aikman I think that would be the main reason why. Other than that, I
>am sure the teams with the above mentioned QB's would rather have their guy
>who already knows their system.
>

Actually, I think you hit it on the head... The only real thing Aikman has
over Marino/Kelly/Elway/Young is age.  Aikman is amongst the leagues best,
but he is not a Marino/Kelly/Elway/Young, at least not yet...

>Eric
>
>
>-- 
>
>		Internet: eric@abode.ttank.com
>		    uucp: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wvus!abode!eric
>


-- 
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From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC playoff picture questions
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:07:24 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
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In article <3197@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>OK, the Cowboys have the NFC East.  If they lose next week, and the Saints
>win, and the Saints win the wildcard game, then the Cowboys and Saints
>will play each other in the second round.  The question is, since they
>both finished with 12-4 records, who will host?

Dallas, since they are a division winner, and New Orleans is a mere wild
card.

>The other question is:  if the Saints lose next week and the Eagles win,
>then they play each other in one of the wildcard games.  Who will host
>this game, since they both finish with 11-5 records?

Use the tiebreaker rules.

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:28:59 GMT

In article <103316@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>>Phoenix?
>
>This is where I see him going.  Either here or Seattle.
>Should be an interesting couple of days.
>

What coach, especially one of Reeves' stature, would want to work for
Bill Bidwill?


>satish nair
>
>

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Aikman a weakness??
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.201838.4176@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>Ask any General Manager for any team in the league (yes, Buffalo, Miami,
>Denver, San Francisco, Houston, too) if they would trade their starting
>quarterback for Aikman, and they wouldn't even have to think about the
>answer; absolutely yes.

I am a Cowboy fan and I think the world of Aikman (I started watching college
football because of him when he went to the local school here-UCLA), but I
don't agree than ANY GM would trade their starting QB for Aikman. Do you think
Shula would want someone other than Marino? I think not. I don't think they
would trade straight across for Kelly, Elway or Young. Yes, Aikman has talent
and a future. The other thing he has on these guys is age. If they were to
trade for Aikman I think that would be the main reason why. Other than that, I
am sure the teams with the above mentioned QB's would rather have their guy
who already knows their system.

Eric


-- 

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From: rhoenes@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Richard Hoenes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikings offense
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:33:04 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


The Vikes under Gannon were doing well at the begining of the year, then        
a combination of bad passes, dropped balls, injuries, and personalities         
shut down the offense. With Chris Carter coming back the main problem           
with the Vikes offense is the way Dennis Green handled the situation.           
I liked the way he handled the Cleveland game, pulling Gannon at the half.      
This fires up the team and can mix-up the opposing defense. (Just look          
at what the Strock-Woodley duo did with Miami.) However when you sit            
any quarterback on the bench for a full game or more, it's going to             
throw off their timing. Also, with Gannon and Salisbury being very              
different QBs, the recievers have to keep getting readjusted. Switching         
quarterbacks from week to week will not allow any quarterback to step           
forward.                                                                        
Also, if you are going to play musical QB, make it so you get the               
right QB in the game. In Philadephia, you had a strong pass rush, and           
windy conditions. Perfect game for a scrambling, short-pass QB such             
as Gannon. Green played Salisbury. In SF you had a weak secondary               
coverage with the second and third man oftern open. Perfect game                
for a pocket, long-ball QB such as Salisbury. Green played Gannon.              
Both games the QB were playing poorly at the half, both times                   
Green decided not to switch QBs.                                                
Green brought a lot to this team, and I feel he will bring a lot                
more. I just think he handled the QB situation badly. I hope                    
he sticks with Gannon after this and hopefully his early season                 
play will return for the playoffs.                                              
As for the playoffs, the Vikings have already played SF, Phila, Wash            
and GB tough and are capable of upsetting any team in the playoffs.             
So please stop the 'gee, they only got 6 points this week, they                 
can't think they'll win a playoff game with just 6' stuff.                      
They may not win, but they'll be in there scrapping and looking to              
pull an upset or two.                                                           

Richard
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Forget Reeves What about the Broncos
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:34:01 GMT

In article <1ht7t2INNgdd@rave.larc.nasa.gov> azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.172817.14870@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael 
>Zimmers) writes:

>> >Sheila Cobb

>> Sigh.  If we have to let women back into this newsgroup, can't we
>> do better than this?

>Isn't that a bit sexist? 

No.  It's quite a bit sexist.

>Have you forgotten ALN? You know, the fiesty Giants
>fan continually at odds with JPG? That's Adriene L. Narazetian and John P. 
>Gloria if you're as clueless as your post indicates. 

I have it on good authority that Adriene is a pseudonym for Adrian,
who's really a guy who's into devil-worship; hense the allegiance
to the NYG.

That (as well as my first post) were intended as dry humor, if you're
nearly as dense as your post indicates.
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