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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: problem.....
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.210511.4303@odin.corp.sgi.com> barb@sgi.com (Barbara  
MacRae) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.150331.9090@julian.uwo.ca> zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca writes:
>
>>my tattoo artist rang me last night wondering where i'd been. he wants to 
>	Your tattoo artist calls YOU? Is he a friend, or is he really
>	hard up for work?

i was a regular, since he has gone back to school, started working out of his
house and put tattoing to the background, i think he has a very small
clientele.  i haven't spoken to him for 6 months or so, so maybe he missed 
me :) I taught him a bit about photography, he has fed me supper before 
sessions, and offered a bike to me. but after i saw him whip a pen into the
side of his kitten, I do not think that he could be my friend.  I do get
along reasonably well with him, this is why he did the work in the first
place. Better artists in town do not get my work because they refer to me
as "the wierdo" (i _look_ a little too straight to have tattoos) and it is
not said with kindness.

>>should i trust this guy? the quality of work varies directly with his  
personal
>>relationships, but do i really want to risk it?
>
>	My opinion on inconsistant tattoo artists is: Don't. This is
>	something that's with you for life. It's not like going to a 
>	hairstylist that sometimes gives great cuts and sometimes
>	doesn't... you're stuck with this, 
yah, FWA has seen pix of the worst work. a lot of people say they look good,
i only like them as a way of seperating out people who understand what a good 
tattoo is.

>>how do i tell a guy that he's just too uneven? 
>
>       ... if you think it would actually
>	do him some good to hear it, just be honest. ...

oh i know it would do him good. i just don't like annoying people. (oh dear,
BEN is going to call me a wimp now...)

>       ... IMO, anyone who
>	does this is basically putting themselves in the position of
>	being told no, and the reasons why. 

yah, i suppose this is what will happen. (if you don't hear from me on 
Monday, he did not take it well :)

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
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From: gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry)
Subject: Re: temporary coverup of a tat
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:38:55 GMT

In <1992Apr6.214136.21535@bradley.bradley.edu> gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:

>i was wondering....(forgot to put this in my earlier post)..i plan on 
>getting a tattoo in black (and maybe a bit of blue) of a winding vine
>type that curls around my ankle like a bracelet....

>problem being that i act a lot with community theatre...many of my costumes
>require flesh colored hose....

>what would be a quick and easy way to cover this tat up?  bandaids?

>thanks a lot

>please e mail me AND post your response...our nn master is temporarily down

>--
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>~ gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu     I am THE GODDESS-- worship at will  ~
>~   "Don't you want to come out and play, my sex dream goddess?"    ~
>~                            from "Rosebud" by Fred                 ~
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: RE: WHO IS BEN SANSIN
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:50:54 GMT

In article <585.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:

>That's very interesting, considering that my statements regarding this
>"damage/maim themselves with sloppy practice", etc, was met with
>immediate flaming by "the regulars", and my attempts to offer "silly
>moments" were also met with hostile reactions.


Your "damage/maim" comments were patently wrong, and definitely snotty.
Therefore, the regulars (read: people who know what the hell they are 
talking about).  You "silly moments" were obnoxious.


>The children who seem to think "rational discussion" is composed of
>hurled insults and threats may well be "out of college", but they
>conduct themselves like small children, so how can I help but make the
>assumption they ARE small children?


Conduct themselves like small children?  I dunno... This sounds like a
description of you, rather than Karl, Greg or Barb.




FWA


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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:41:32 GMT

In article <404.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben  
Sansing) writes:
>From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
>>This is the first I've heard that alcohol has
>>any effect on tats.  Has anyone else heard this
>>or did it come from Mr.Sansing's demonstrated
>>powers of agenda-free observation and deduction?
>
>Excuse me, O Great and Mighty One, for disagreeing with your Divinely
>Ordained Opinions from On High. I have been told, over the course of
>time, by many tattoo artists that alcohol blurs tattoos. If you're drunk
>when you have it done, it's end up blurred. Several artists I know
>refuse to work on a drunk. 
There are other reasons for this as well. The texture of the skin changes
when you are drunk.  I refer you to Clinton Sanders, _Customizing_Body:  
the_art_and_culture_ of_tattooing_.  In addition you bleed a lot more when
alcohol is in the blood. I am not sure if Sanders comments on this, but
discussions with professional blood letters, and people who were involved
in clotting rate experiments, taught me a lot.  One 20oz. pint at lunch can
make you look like you have a clotting problem.

>                           If you drink heavily later on, it will blur.
>I'll dig up some "official quotes" (probably using words like
>"capillaries" and "pores" that they didn't teach you in remedial
>drooling school) and post 'em. [ranting removed]

Ben, this is  the second time, you have implied that medical books are "above"
the general population of rec.arts.bodyart. Look, most people on the usenet  
news are university educated, that's what happens when educational/research 
institutes create a network :)   I for own work/put-up-with MDs on a daily 
basis. I was reading me mum's medical books at the age of 10. Already someone
has requested that you dig up Gray's anatomy to show us the section on the  
nerves in the tongue, please do not ignore another request to back yourself 
up, it does nothing for your credibility.

--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
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From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Left/Right standards AGAIN (Was Re: info please)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:09:04 GMT


	i heard a local (gay) comedian once do a piece on ear pericing....
he talked about going to the mall, & seeing lots o girls w/'mall hair' &
about going to one of those piercing places, & having the piercing chick
say (when he presented his right ear), "no, no, having your right ear
peirced means you're gay".

	his line, "wow.  & here i thought wanting to fuck guys is what made
me gay.  and all this time it's been a fashion accessory...."

	is it the r/l thing that dies hard (remember, *you* wanted the right
ear peirced; it's not like *you* ddin't have a preference) in 'the heartland'
or is it the assumption that you wouldn't want to be seen as gay what dies
hard?

	nice to see you, tho, jon, & congrats on your piercing!

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
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Subject: RE: PROBLEM.....
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

>barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae) writes...
>Well, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that to have Ben not
>like us is a good thing. I mean, would you want this guy for a
>*friend*? %^)

Dear barb,
  My message to whatever-his-name-was used something called "sarcasm".
It was NOT intended to be taken SERIOUSLY. I forget that you folks are
all college kids who are still locked in the "take everything at
absolute face value" stage of life. I apologize. I'm used to dealing
with adults.
From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: AFTERCARE
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:34:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <669.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>>-> the skin is a little rough, and slightly raised, and it looks
>>-> terrific
>>
>> My wife and I went to three local shops (the others being more than 100
>>miles away) and looked at the photos on the walls.  One guy had maybe
>>500 photos of his work, every single one of them welted. 


>Almost every tattoo will look this way immediately after the tattoo artist
>has stopped working.  Most photos which you see in tattoo studios are taken
>at this point, which explains the "welting" in the photos.


>>clumsy with the tattoo machine.  Looking at the artwork, I can believe
>>it.  AB's didn't welt, and there's no discontinuity between the tattooed
>>area and the rest of the skin.

All of my tattoos have welted up and then leveled out after they 
healed also.  From what I was told at the shop that has done all
of mine is that if the tattoo stays raised that means the artist
pushed to hard or stayed in one place to long and it left a scare
under the coloring.  If I remember correctly mine were slightly  
raised for a couple of weeks.  I do know some people ask for them
to purposly scare them on some parts of some tattoos to give it
a certain look.  I'm not sure if all artist will do this.  I saw
a really nice looking tat of a deer head.  He had the outline of 
it scared on prupose to give it a sort of 3D look.  It really made
it stand our and look nice.

>However, some strange set of conditions cause my tattoos
>to stand up.  It is random, however, I know that certain areas tend to stand
>out more than others.

All of the places on my tattoos that are red or yellow become raised
when I have been out in the sun to long.  It actually works as a  
good gauge to tell when I'm about to get sunburn because they usually
become raised a little before the rest of my skin becomes burned.
So if I notice them getting raised I throw on a shirt or some sun
screen.

>No theories, just observations.

I have no explanation either.  I asked my tattoo artist about it and
he said he hadn't heard of anyone having this problem.

Just my $.02!
Brad

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From: chachra@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA  Debbie)
Subject: Re: Piercing jewelry (was: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.173020.26150@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:

>In article <556.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>>
>> What about titanium?  When the orthopods rebuilt my left leg, they were
>>going to use titanium rods
>
>I've never seen or heard of piercing jewelry made of titanium.  I
>suspect the reason is that, while it passes the inertness test, it is
>probably more expensive and no better-looking (and possibly worse
>looking) then gold, niobium, or surgical stainless.  Titanium's low
>density and tensile strength are advantages for prosthetics or jet
>aircraft but, if anything, disadvantages for piercing jewelry (or at
>least its low density would often be a disadvantage... :-).
>
>
>Harry Ugol
>harryu@tfs.com
>
Actually, the most probable reason why it is not used is because it is a
*bitch* to work.  The same thing that makes it amazingly inert (it pass-
ivates - oxidizes - easily and permanently) makes it turn into white powder
if you heat it to bend it (and it's very brittle otherwise).  I have a short
length of pure Ti (about 20 ga) that I was considering trying to make an
earring of before I was enlightened.

Why would its low density be a disadvantage?

Debbie Chachra
chachra@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca
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Subject: RE: LEFT/RIGHT STANDARDS
From: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

From: mlw@cisco.com (Monica Waldman)
>I am thinking about getting my head pierced and was wondering if
>someone could tell me - does getting the left side done mean I'm
>smart and the right side done means I'm stupid, or is it the other
>way around?

Well, I had my head pierced in the back, 'cause if it was in the front
it would marred my new forehead tattoo (it says 'STUPID' in big red
letters. I dunno what da piercing in the back vs. the front means,
though. Duh...
From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Left/Right standards AGAIN (Was Re: info please)
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Then again, it could be that some people decide to get a specific ear pierced
not because of their sexual orientation, tradition, superstition, or any
other impersonal reason, but simply as a matter of aesthetics.  To my
(admittedly biased) eyes, an earring or a set of earrings in the left ear
looks better than in the right, whether the ears in question belong to a man
or a woman, heterosexual or homosexual.  But I can just as easily understand
how some other people (and clearly there are many such people in the world)
prefer to wear more jewelry in the right ear than in the left.  And in
matters of body adornment, the important factor seems to be what the person
whose body is being adorned thinks looks best, in spite of tradition or
cultural bias to the contrary.

Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu

  
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From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Subject: Re: problem.....
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:25:05 GMT

>oh i know it would do him good. i just don't like annoying people. (oh dear,
>BEN is going to call me a wimp now...)
>--
>Lance R. Bailey  

Well, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that to have Ben not like
us is a good thing. I mean, would you want this guy for a *friend*? %^)

-Barb
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing and infections
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:27:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

In article <dd84266@pro-haven.cts.com> warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin) writes:
> % Also, does anyone know if a currently healing pierce or a recently
> % healed over failed pierce increases or decreases the chances (or time)
> % of another pierce healing well?
> 
>         I had heard that this will increase the chances of healing well, if
> the pierce is in a different area, since the body will already be up on its
> antibodies.  Of course, this may not apply to an infection that's bad enough
> to doctoricize you.  In my relatively few piercings, it seemed as if this
> piece of 'wisdom' held true.  In fact, such a secondary pierce usually healed
> faster for me, too.


I've noted on three seperate occasions that when I had a piercing that
was taking a long time to heal, or that had a lingering infection, if
I got another piercing, the first one would heal up right away.

The first time I thought it was coincidence, the second time I had my
suspicions, and the third time I tried it as an experiment. :-) It
definitely works, for me, at least.


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From: dosbears@netcom.com (David R. Preston)
Subject: Re: Anasthetics and piercing
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 08:33:43 GMT
Organization: DosBears at Netcom

In article <77422@guiche.princeton.edu> bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing) writes:
>
>Wow -- "gay satanist biker on lsd" -- I'm graduating in a couple of months
>with little idea of what to do afterwards, and that sounds like a great thing
>to try!  Thanks for the idea ... :-)

Hey, this is a respectable newsgroup!  If you want to talk about Lsd, take
it to alt.drugs :-)


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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Questions o'tattoos-Indiana
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:14:04 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Apr12.234245.6194@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rswaller@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>I am looking into getting a tattoo....  Not sure on what to get.....
>Does anyone know of any good artists in Indianapolis....Louisville....St. Louis
>those are within driving distance of my home.....
>I also would like to know about how much this will cost me....
>I lift weights and was wondering how much distortion would occur if I did
>get one on a muscular area.
>I can stand the pain and all....but I don't want it to hurt my wallet that
>bad...... 
>So send me ideas....it is my first and want to get it done in the next
>couple months!!!!

i really suggest waiting for a while.  it sounds more like you want to get
tattooed for the sake of having a tattoo.  I am not sure if it can be
understood until after your first tattoo, but there is a big difference
between having a tattoo and being tattooed. this is my theory on why many 
people have multiple tattoos instead of just one.

if you want to be able to say "*i* have a tattoo" instead of "this is the
tattoo which i chose to wear" then that's great for you, but i wouldn't want
to see you later regret the decision to get a tattoo.

finally, cost should be of no influence. a bad tattoo is hated later
on in life. i know.
--
Lance R. Bailey  System/Network Manager         Robarts Research Institute
     NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca    box: Clinical Trials Resources Group
            fax: 519.663.3789                   P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr.
            vox: 519.663.3787 ext. 4108         London, Canada N6A 5K8
         Gaelic: Tha me leatsa ma cheannaicheas tu mi. Thoir dhomh earbsa.
From: dajm@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.J.Moor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: navel pierce
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:23:49 GMT
Expires: 24 APRIL 1992
Reply-To: dajm@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.J.Moor)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <Ydt7e1200Uh784HqAz@andrew.cmu.edu> af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
#Waaaah!  My belly button fell off!  Actually, just the ring I put in it did.
#I did the pierce a few weeks ago, and it looked fine for a long time,
#but then in the last couple of days, the hole just started wandering,
#and last night the ring fell off in the shower (with a little help, I
#admit...)  Luckily it didn't go down the drain...
#
#I had heard that holes sometimes wandered and fell off, but I guess I
#didn't really believe it very much, and I certainly didn't think it
#happened so quickly.  Isn't the human body amazing?
#
#Is a navel pierce more likely to be accepted if it's further in, or does
#that just mean it'll take longer to wander off?

Navel pierces have to be really deep, because your body does try to
reject them more than most pierces. I had mine pierced by a pro' about
a year ago and it has moved to the right a little but it does not
seem to be moving to the surface.

Dodgy ASCII pic follows.


                      *   <--- Hole

                    /---\ 
                    |   |  <-- Navel
                    \---/

DavidMoor.
From: fredj@wang.com (Fred Jewell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Lyle Tuttle
Keywords: tattooing
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:33:32 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA



   OK Today i talked with two very interesting and dynamic people, Karl MacRae 
and Lyle Tuttle.  Karl pointed me into a direction and after a few phone
calls i finally got to speak with Mr. Tuttle.  He has a museum of tattooing
and is/has collect(ed/ing) information of tattoo artists.  I also found
that i have some machines that are worth 500 big ones apiece.  
   I got some good information on shop setup and an offer to get some first
hand instruction from one of the masters.  This was a real thrill and
thanks to Karl for setting me in the right direction.

                fredj@wang.com
                fred jewell
                508-967-0653
From: chachra@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHACHRA  Debbie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: glow in the dark?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:40 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

In article <1992Apr14.205324.8492@odin.corp.sgi.com> barb@lenny.esd.sgi.com writes:
>I know he's done some more of them. I understand they just look
>kind of like a light scar til the black lights on 'em. Freddy was
>telling us a story about a gal who got some obscene thing on her
>forarm (I can't remember what it was. Karl? Do you?) thinking it
>would be invisible unless black light was on it, but it showed up
>plain as day and she had to have it covered. Personally, I'd be
>a little nervous about getting something that glowed injected
>permanently under my skin, but then, I'm a wimp! Anyhow, if you
>want more info, you could call Freddy at the shop. If you catch him
>in a cheery mood, he'll be able to tell you anything you want to
>know about this stuff. 
>
>-Barb

Your 'plain as day' got me thinking...you'd think that any fluorescent tat
would show up in daylight ('cause of the UV) in the same way that some fabric
glows.  Probably not *too* well, though.

Debbie Chachra
<chachra@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca>