From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Re. Integrity
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:14:44 GMT
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>DATE:   Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:43:57 GMT
>FROM:   Brian D. Carlson <carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu>
>
>wilder@nx03.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>
>>Well, as a "non-traditional" college sophomore (I'm *ancient*!), I prefer
>>to comfort myself with the belief that the young people you reference in
>>#2 are just too damn stupid to know any better, and might, as their educa-   
>>tion progresses, learn to develop opinions, rather that adopting Mommy and
>>Daddy's.
>
>	BTW I am a conservative, and I know why I am a conservative. My
>parents are both liberals. The majority of my family are liberals. I

Well, if you're going to rebel, I guess it's better than communism.

>just don't agree with the idea that the state is the answer to all our
>problems. I don't think that the state should fund any and all abortions

You have presented a false alternative.  Would you agree that the state
should be the answer to some of our problems, say hunger?  Or would you
say that not enough people are hungry to worry about it?

>for whatever reason they may be wanted. I believe that people should
>have incentive for hard work, and those who don't work hard shouldn't be
>patted on the hand with entitlements that cost our government (that's
>you and I) the majority of our budget.

I see.  The job of the government is to insure that everybody works hard.

>
>	I know why I am conservative, and for one to judge someone as

Yes.  We remember.  Your know-nothing relatives are all liberals.

>conservative only because of Mommy and Daddy is a well thought out slam,
>but why not think about why they have really chosen to adopt a
>conservative philosophy. The reason education produces a lot of liberals
>is because (at least in my experience) there is a lot of liberal bias in
>text books, and in lobby organizations (NEA for example). 

Evolution in biology texts?  Sex ed?  Calculus? As for the NEA, that's
an unfortunate example -- not many Republican unions out there.  As
for lobbyists in general, the conservatives have their fair share.

>
>	I have had more history teachers who were such diehard femenists 
>that they couldn't actually teach the subject matter because they were 
>too busy trying to rewrite the past to make women the hunters and men the 
>gatherers, than I have had conservative teachers who couldn't teach because 
>they were trying to push their views on their students.
>

That's a lot of lousy history teachers.  Did you have any good ones?

>	Anyway, I'm not opposed to someone being liberal, but I find it
>useless to hear(read) those in these groups that attack opposing viewppoints
>with gaping holes void of logic. (you're stupid! well she started it.
>did not. did so etc...) I know there are liberals who have really 
>contemplated why they are that way. 

I feel so ashamed.  I've tried and tried, but I'm just to weak to change.

>
>	The one thing I don't understand is this. If liberalism is the

One thing?  I'd guess you were way out ahead of the rest of us. 8^(

>ultimate anser to all of our countries ills, why are the majority of
>liberals I have met bitter and seemingly miserable people, while the
>majority of conservatives I have met are easy going people who seem much
>more happy with who they are in life?

Let's play pleasant.  I'll take the democrats.  I'll provisionally fill
in your team, just to give you the idea.  Then we'll play nice.

Pat Moynihan vs. Alfonse D'Amato.
Henry Gonzales vs. Newt Gingrich.
George Mitchel vs. Robert Dole.
Fritz Hollings vs. Oren Hatch.
Paul Simon vs. Arlan Specter
[Concede loss] vs. Bob Dornan

But you said bitter and miserable.  I lose.  You're right.  Conservatives
make everybody miserable.


I know you can spell "answer."  I know you could have found "country's"
instead of "countries."  The fewer of these sorts of silly mistakes
one has in any given post, the more likely it becomes that readers will 
take the poster seriously.  It also makes for clumsy reading.
Take that extra couple of minutes to proofread.

>	Any answers I heaar like 'blah blah blah and their too stupid to
                      ^^^^^
See what I mean?  Just that little hithccht in the get-along, multiplied
by thousands of readers, and you've wasted one "net-hour."

>be miserable blah blah blah' I'll just ignore. I'm interested in the
>opinions of people like Slartibartfast (Anyone who can design award
>winning fjords has got my attention)
>
>Brian D. Carlson
>

Figures.

-- 
jim tims 
"And if you're a miner, when you're too tired and old and sick and stupid
to do your job properly, you have to go, whereas just the opposite applies
with the judges."  Beyond the Fringe