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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wake over Tech
Keywords: ugh!
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:21:18 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Why does every team that beats Duke go belly-up immediately thereafter?
Not only does Virginia go out and embarass themselves against Carolina,
but we also have Tech choking up a storm versus Carolina, Wake and
mighty Charleston.

All I can say is I hope Carolina follows suit and loses their next three
after they beat us.  That'll be some small consolation.

- Rob Mac K


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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Louisville whips Arizona State
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:22:16 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> Arizona St came in with their star player injured (DNP), and they
> played with UofL for about 10 minutes then gave up.

     What foods these morsels be!

     Son, Arizona State did NOT give up:  They
put on a clinic.  An SDDD clinic, masterfully done.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: CAL ROOOLLLLLLLLLLLZ BABBBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:56:43 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

DOOODDDZZ!!!!

USC GOT US MAD BY BEATING US ON A QUESTIONABLE CALL!!!! 
BUT THIS IS THE REAL CAL TEAM!!!!!
THEY WILL NOT LOSE ANOTHER GAME THIS SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU WEENIES FROM WESTWOOD, TAKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!

THE BEARZ MAY BE THE BEST TEAM WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI!!!!

HAW HAW HAW, I GET IT!!!!!!!!!!

UCLA CAN'T PLAY!!!!!!!!!

--BIFF, CAL FAN EXTRAORDINAIRRRREEEEEE

OR SHOULD THAT BE CAL!!! INSTEAD????? 


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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... : -(
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:16:49 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <1k90i2INNfe6@borg.cs.unc.edu> illiano@cs.unc.edu (Vincent Illiano) writes:
>|> 
>It sound like you're giving a whole lot of credit to Dean and his coaching
>staff.  The players play the game.  It's the players who got down by 21 points,
>and the players who fought back to win in one of the greatest comebacks in
>Carolina's history.
>
I think you underestimate the role of a coach.  Dean doesn't really need 
timeouts to change strategy, he just replaces key players on the floor 
who pass info along to the others sometimes.  Also, clearly (to me) the
comeback was engineered by Dean.  At the beginning of the half, they
tried very hard to get the ball to Montross under the basket.  That
worked in that the lead didn't get larger but failed to close the gap.
Okay, strategy number 2 was to use the trapping defense to generate
easy points of turnovers.  That didn't work because FSUs guards were too
quick and too good with the ball.  So, Dean-o tries strategy number
3 - the three pointers (which FSU had been leaving open all night).
Bingo!  Now, the players had to sink the shots (which they hadn't been
doing so far), but Dean seemed (to me) to be coaching pretty well.

Oh yes, I agree with another poster - the refs did seem to help Carolina's
comeback.  Maybe they felt guilty.  By sitting Montross on the bench 
so early, they helped create the deficit in the first place :-)


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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado (Tim Chandler))
Subject: Re: Duke/SanFran cheers
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:34:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.103322.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ghjelmstad@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>>Good cheers:  When USF leading scorer (& the only guy who had any
>>success at all) Orlando Smart picked up his fourth foul with more than
>>11 minutes left, the students chanted "Not so Smart!  Not so Smart!"
>>Toward the end of the massacre, the chant was "Start the trolley!  Start
>>the trolley!"  
>
>excellent!!! ... has anyone put together a list of best all time cheers?
>
>#1 ... TIE ...  "Meagher spit in your face"  at Duke-UVa 1985 game,
>	Senior Danny Meagher and UVa's Sheahy were playing rough, both 
>	went down on the court, Meagher extends a hand to help Sheahy up, 
>	and, as he is doing this spits in sheahy's face... Sheahy goes nuts,
>	swings at Meagher, is thrown out of the game with a Technical... Danny
>	gives the angelic look of innocence... The cheer went on at EVERY 
>	Duke-UVA game until 1988, when Coach K implored the fans to "Let the 
>	Sheahy thing rest."  
>
>#1 ...  Perpetual, never ending chant, that has been echoing through the halls
>	of Duke University for over 50 years...begun in earnest at the sight
>	of anything dressed in that vomitous shade of pastel blue...and
>	shouted until the shoutee is horse.... "Go to Hell, Carolina
>        Go to Hell..."
>
>#3 ... " InHale... ExHale... InHale...Exhale "... at Duke-UNC (1987 or 88) when
>	Carolina's Steve Hale entered the Stadium in street clothes, unable to
>	play due to a collapsed lung.
>
>
>
>runners up...   "AAAAAAH  See Ya!"
>		"Boink Boink BOink pass Boink shoot MISS"  
>		"If you can't go to college go to state"  with its add on
>		"If you can't go to State go to jail"  after Chris Washburn
>	had been arrested for stealing a stereo.
>
>Others?	  	
>
>by the way, yes... Montross looks like uncle fester...  He also look a like
>the sargeant on "Gomer Pyle"...  Of course, no one needs to mention the
>strong "family" resemblance with the hillbillies from the movie "deliverance"
>Someone should tell Charokee Parks to be careful when trying to box him out.
>
>
>


NO, NO, NO...Montross looks like _LURCH_ (The tall ugly butler), NOT like
uncle Fester (short, fat, bald, and ugly guy....well, ok, Montross DOES have
two outta four but...). Oh, and someone tellParks to get a fuckin' haircut...
damn California boys...always trying to look like girls! ;)

Kevin

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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: Mississippi State
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:04:31 GMT

gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P) writes:

>I haven't been able to keep up with MSU basketball this season but
>whenever I check the box scores and I don't see Bubba Wilson's
>or Eric Stephen's names.  Can anyone tell me what the deal is with
>those two?

Well, to be quite honest, Eric is recovering from pnuemonia.

Bubba is just not playing so well, so Riachard has him on the bench.

Suprisingly, MSU beat Alabama without either one of them playing.

David

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From: denelsbe@cs.unc.edu (Kevin Denelsbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC over FSU (what a come back)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:08:47 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
NNTP-Posting-Host: washington.cs.unc.edu

In article <1993Jan28.133853.26118@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>
>	It takes a real good team not to get behind by 21 points
>	in the first place.  If UNC does that against a team with
>	some depth and a little discipline in March, Dean's going
>	to have another early exit from the NCAA tourney.

I basically agree.  If UNC pulls this little stunt on the road (like, say,
at Wake Forest) they may not be able to come back.  I was glad to see that
UNC won that game against Seton Hall but I'd rather see UNC beat another
top 10 team on the road before I consider them a #1 or National Champion
prospect.  But the comeback WAS impressive, no?  (Exhilarating, from a fan's
perspective.)
	By the way, George Lynch had an interesting postgame comment about
fan noise.  He said that when the fans really get into it they tend to exhort
the home team to take any shot, even a bad one, and you have to keep your
head and not get caught up in the excitement too much.  An interesting
side-effect of the home court advantage.
	Also, no one has yet mentioned that Carolina STARTED Scott Cherry
and Pat Sullivan in place of Derrick Phelps and Brian Reese, because Phelps
and Reese (and Donald Williams, a reserve) were 2 minutes late to the
pre-game meal.  Wonder if this had any substantial effect on the game?
Curtis (or is it "Curt"?) can probably offer a cogent what-if analysis
concerning that.

>	--rb


Kev @ UNC

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From: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Long Beach State 64 - Kansas 49
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering

Alan Chan <kchan@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
) As far as I know, Long Beach State is an unranked team.  How could a #1 
) team in the nation be beaten by an unranked team by 15 points and held
) under 50 points?  Is it a shame or what?  
) 

No it's great.  You (like most people) underate the Big West, there
are 3 legitimate top 25 teams in the conferance this year.

							--Greg
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Freshmen (was:  Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt)
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:47:08 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1k461lINNs4m@shelley.u.washington.edu>, crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> Hey, Gary, I agree that Arizona has some talented freshmen.  The thing is
> that they play behind a talented group of juniors and seniors and don't
> typically get enough minutes to put out the numbers of somebody like Mark
> Hendrickson who I think is second in the conference in rebounding.  If you
> would like us to seriously consider them, let's see some statistics...

I'll try to get the current stats. Geary has been getting over 20 mins a game
since pretty early on, Blair's time has been cut some but he is still up
there and MaClean has only played the conference games so his minutes
should be high. Hendrickson (who was not impressive against UA) has been a
quality player - no doubt, but to say that someone like what's his name
from Cal is a lock simply because the UA is deep and he gets minutes is
a bit much. It is the same logic that puts Brian Hendrick on the all pac
team last season when he clearly was not deserving. You either put the
best on or you make the whole idea a joke - judging from past years
you guys will probably be right and Cal will get 2 spots with 2nd tier
teams like WSU getting the other three spots when clearly Reggie Geary is
one of the top 5 freshmen in the conference and Blair is shooting well over
70% from the floor.


			gln

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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: K-Who?
Summary: Just wait until football season ...
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:14:19 GMT

OK, so how many of you out there thought Kansas deserved to be ranked
#1?  Huh?  Let's see a show of hands.

Gotcha.

Geez.  A home loss is hard to take.  Period.  But to Long Beach State?
By 15?  Scoring only 49 points total, and 21 in the first half?
Congratulations to Long Beach State, whoever you are.  (Didn't a Long
Beach State lose to Virginia Commonwealth on Saturday by 20 or so?
Was that the JV?)  LBSU is a pretty good team, but there is no way
Kansas should lose to them at home.  And tonight was the first time
the home fans got to see the `hawks play since they reached #1.  It
must have made their performance against UTEP look like a masterpiece.
Does anyone have the stomach to describe what happened?  Wow.

I vaguely remember saying something in reply to some Michigan fan
about how KU, IU, Michigan, UNC, and Kentucky are all playing well
right now.  I think it might have been last night.  Of course, I
*meant* that they *were* all playing well, and now only *some* of them
are playing well.  (I know, I bet Roy didn't play Ostertag tonight.
That's gotta be it.)

While this, by itself, means nothing more than the biggest fall from
#1 in the history of the AP poll and a stronger hypertension
medication for Williams, it does not bode well for the `hawks.  I
still expect them to win the Big Eight, but that just isn't good
enough anymore.  This is a team that has to get to the Final Four for
KU fans to be satisfied, and I wonder if they have the character to do
that.  A game like this has to make you question their heart -- do
they have the strength of character it takes to compete hard through a
tournament the length of the NCAA?  Or, for that matter, through the
first two rounds? I also wonder about Williams -- couldn't he sense
that they weren't focused?  It has to be the coaching staff's job to
make the team concentrate on the job at hand.

Again, congrats to Long Beach.  

rock chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu

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From: marf@athena.mit.edu (Matthew R Feulner)
Subject: Re: Purdue vs Indiana
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:00:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195432.1081@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>I love it!  How about this, pal?  Purdue lost because it played a superior
>team that even though tried very hard, did not play badly enough to lose.
>
>
>				-- Marek
>

No, Marek, they ran into Calbert Cheaney - 33 points, and then only 10 for
Nover.  It was a poor showing for both teams.

Matthew Feulner
From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: One two punch
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:30:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	Two weeks ago, Georgia Tech played its best game of the year and
beat Duke.  It had the unenviable task next of playing Carolina.  Predictably,
Tech didn't have enough to deal with the Tar Heels and lost.  Then what       
happened?  A horrendous slide.
	Last week, Virginia upset Duke, only to face, and lose to, UNC the next
game.  What did they do after that?  They lost to that same Ga. Tech squad that
was playing so horribly.
	Yesterday, Florida State upset Duke, and guess who they face next?  
That's right, UNC.  (It's an interesting twist that these three teams play Duke
and Carolina back to back, and Duke had to take the first crack.  I wonder how
the schedule will shape up the second half of the season.)
	At any rate, it will be interesting to see what FSU does after its 
experience with the one-two punch.
	(In the good ol' days of Clemson's football dominance of the ACC, teams'
records the week after the Clemson game were predictably dismal.)
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Four Corners, 1964
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:27:12 GMT

In article <30008@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) 
>writes:
>
> >One can gripe at Smith but he was only using the rules to win games....
> >
> >Dean said he was in favor of a shot clock, but if he wouldn't have 
> >cheesed so many people off, the NCAA might still not have a shot clock 
> >today.....
>
>If you think that the 4 Corners or variants in the last two minutes
>of the game was bad, there was one Duke-UNC game in the 1960's that 
>probably tops it all.
>
>Since UNC was the underdogs, UNC played the 4 Corners the entire game, 
>or nearly.
>
>The flaw in UNC's plan was that Duke got the lead early at the start, 
>and Duke wouldn't come out of its zone defense to challenge the 4 Corners. 
>Duke won the game, 21-20.
>
>Another example of Dean's using the rules to win games.  Or try to win
>games.
>
>Note: I won't guarantee the accuracy of this posting since it happened
>too long ago.  Perhaps Curtis Hill could help with the details?

Be happy to.  The 1964 is considered one of the best ever at Duke, with
5 members going on to the NBA.  Yes, 5, children.  Just like UNLV.  Almost.

Back in 1964, you had to win the little ACC tournament in order to go to
the NCAA's.  Duke was in the top 4 in the country and ACC champs.  UNC
wasn't that good (the records:  UNC 12-12, Duke 26-5).

And UNC nearly beat Duke.  A Duke team that was unfortunate enough
to get to the NCAA finals and meet the first of Wooden's teams of doom.

So what would have been better, Steve, maybe playing into Duke's strength
and getting beat by 30?  


(Oh, yeah.  That 79 UNC team that lost 47-40 to Duke beat Magic and
Michigan State....)


Curtis Hill
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From: ses@sunSITE.unc.edu (Simon Spero)
Subject: Re: NCSU to win NCAA NC this year!!
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:03:25 GMT

In article <30218@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>    1993 - It's NCSU again, despite having only 8 players and only
>	   one or two ACC victories.....

Have you ever noticed how Dean Smith has so many good players that many of 
them only ever get to play in the last few minutes of blowouts? And that
Les Robinson has to put on a Jersey himself if State wants to play a practice
game?

Hands up  everybody who thinks that Dean ought to lend the Wolfpack a few 
guys just to tide them over. 

Simon
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Eastern Conspiracy
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:08:11 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>How can Duke get beat by unranked FSU and only drop from 6 to 7, while
>other teams drop 3,4 or more spots when they lose to better teams.

Well, everyone still remembers Duke's appearances in the Final Four in
the past sevveral years....  Duke's streak of consecutive Final Four
appearances may be snapped this year if Duke doesn't improve.


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From: larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Paul Larsen)
Subject: 2 Purdue questions
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:06:24 GMT

I have two questions regarding Purdue.

1.)  Why is it that Purdue never plays Notre Dame during the non-conference
season?

2.)  I have noticed that Porter Roberts dribbles the ball very high.  It seems
to me that this makes it much easier for the opponents to steal the ball.  Is
this something that he should correct or is Gene Keady just letting it go?


Thanks,

Paul Larsen 
larsenp@mace.cc.purdue.edu

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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:42:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.025108.26764@Virginia.EDU> jmw3c@Virginia.EDU ("Eddie Vedder") writes:
>Since when was North Carolina the first real top ten team the
>Cavs beat if they broke Duke's 36 game winning streak at
>Cameron Indoor Stadium the Sunday before?  Anybody 11 - 0 who
>beats the defending national champions on their own court
>deserves to be #1 if there are no other unbeaten teams.

The phrase "get over it" leaps to mind.  I know UVa has a long
and honorable tradition of being obsessed with the past, but
you haven't quite got it down.  Try bemoaning events more than
eight days old ... you can start with the football team and
work back.  Big bonus points for any connection to Jefferson,
no matter how obscure.

Ken B. 
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From: frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer)
Subject: Re: UNLV destroys Hoyas
Organization: National Library of Medicine, Bethesda Md. USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:27:27 GMT

The Billicans are named for a small oriental idol, like a Buddha or some such. 
It dates from the 190? World's Fair in St. Louis, when some Asian nation had a
Billican as part of their exhibit.  Local sportswriters thought that it looked
like the then St. Louis coach.  They started referring to him as the Billican,
and eventually it stuck to the team.

Source: Joe Wagner, afriend of mine who was a Jr. Bill for SLU Prep.

Jim Frohnhofer
frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov
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From: knowall@byron.u.washington.edu (Rick Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All-time Jayhawks -- need more votes!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:06:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu


> 	So far, I've gotten but 6 votes for the All-time Kansas team.
> 	I'd like some more to get better results!  If U know anything about
> 	Kansas basketball, send me an all-time team.  Give me a starting
> 	5 (doesn't have to be based on position) and anyone U want to
> 	have on the bench.  Thanx!

PG - Scooter Barry
SG - Scooter Barry
SF - Scooter Barry
PF - Scooter Barry
C  - David Johanning

Rick
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