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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson update
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Keywords: Jimmy Jackson
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:36:36 GMT
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>In article <1992Dec15.164448.1776@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami) writes:
>>terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>>>While it is understandable that Carter is taking a stand in this
>>>day of ridiculously inflated salaries for unproven rookies, IMHO,
>>>his posturing is going to be hugely detrimental to the Dallas franchise.
>>
>>So, in your opinion, it is "understandable" that Carter is ruining the
>>Dallas franchise?
>>
>>Or is it just "understandable" that he will force Jimmy Johnson -- a kid
>>who doesn't have even one thousandth of Carter's wealth -- to lose a year
>>of his career and several million dollars?
>>

	What?

	I'll admit I haven't been following this whole situation all that 
closely but I think you're comming down way too hard on Carter unless I've
missed something big.  As I understand the situation, Jackson has been offered
a contract that is not significantly lower in $/year terms then most of the
players taken near him in the draft.  However, the salary is only 3 years 
instead of the 6 years that many rookies received.

	If that's the case I don't see how Carter is 'forcing' Jackson to
lose a year of his career or significant money.  If Jackson is anywhere close
to what everyone says he is he'll earn a lot more when he gets a new contract
in three years that he would on a six year contract signed now. 

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Question.L
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:51:42 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
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In article <Bz5wAo.Bxo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
|
|Speaking of the Al Campanis Institute for Ignorant Curmudgeons(ACIIC), I
|heard that Marge Schott used to be a professor of Speech Communications over
|there in her early years.     ;-)

Yes indeed. That was at about the same time that Jimmy the Greek
was there, conducting his now-famous field research in animal husbandry.......

			R.S.


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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson, Sacramento Kings
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:27:47 GMT

The latest trade rumor, which seems to have some credence, is
that the Dallas Mavericks will trade their unsigned No. 1
draft pick this year (4th overall), Jimmy Jackson,
to the Sacramento Kings for small forward Lionel Simmons and
a No. 1 draft pick.  Simmons was the 7th overall pick in
1990 and the runnerup to Derrick Coleman in rookie of the year
balloting.  

Jerry Reynolds, GM at Sacramento, has said publicly that he
considers Jimmy Jackson to be the most versatile player in 
last year's draft, even more versatile than their pick,
(No. 6 overall), swingman Walt Williams.

With Mitch Richmond established at shooting guard, I suppose
Jackson would be expected to play a lot at small forward.

If I was Norm Sonju of the Mavs, I would probably go for this
trade.  I'm not sure if this would significantly improve the Kings
however.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU

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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with the Bulls? (Ans: need some hunger!!)
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.051458.3240@news.acns.nwu.edu> stubaker@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Stuart Baker) writes:
:I just got done watching the Rockets demolish the Bulls.  As a season ticket
:holder I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of focus and intensity the Bulls
:seem to have this year. Where do you all think the problems lie?

	Problem number one: lack of hunger.  They been playing in
quite a lukewarm way.  If I were the GM, (will, since I'm not, don't
laugh if you think the following is somewhere out of line) I might
want to plot a major trade or something to inject some hunger into
this team.  Suppose I can call Toni Kukoc right away and the answer to
whether he wants to or can join this team earlier is positive, then I
may try to work on sending Scottie Pippen, B.J. and Stacey King to
Houston for Hakeem and Sleepy, provided that Hakeem is still unhappy
staying there.  Some draft picks could also be involved.  

:
:---------------------
:Stu D. Baker				Mitchell Media Center
:Multimedia Services Specialist		Northwestern University Library
:E-MAIL: stubaker@nwu.edu		Evanston, IL 60208-2323
:VOICE: 708.467.1984			FAX: 708.491.8306
From: rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: My A to Z list
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:37:48 GMT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Intergration, University of Michigan
Distribution: world
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A -- Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem (the all-time scoring leader)
B -- Bird, Larry  (arguably the best player of all-time)
C -- Chamberlain, Wilt
D -- Drexler, Clyde  (Walter Davis)
E -- Erving, Julius
F -- Frazier, Walt
G -- Gervin, George  (Artis Gilmore)
H -- Hawkins, Connie (Elvin Hayes?)
I -- Issel, Dan
J -- Jordan, Micheal
K -- Kousy, Bob :)
L -- Lanier, Bob
M -- Magic, Johnson (ok, I cheat a little), (Malone, Moses)
N -- Nance, Larry (Can't think of many N's)
O -- Olajuwon, Hakeem
P -- Pettit, Bob (Pippen)
Q -- Quinnet, Brian (can't think of ANY Q's) :)
R -- Robertson, Oscar
S -- Schayes, Dolph
T -- Thomas, Isiah
U -- Unseld, Wes
V -- Vandeweghe, Kiki (Norm Van Lear)
W -- Walton, Bill  (West, Jerry)
X -- Xavier McDaniel (I know, I know...)
Y -- Yardley, George
Z -- Zaslofsky, George (this is wrong..can't remember spelling)


-- 
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Trouble in Clipper land
Keywords: L. A. Clippers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:02:17 GMT

On the eve of the Warriors home-and-home series with the L.A.
Clippers, it is apparent that labor trouble is brewing in the
Clippers franchise.

The Clippers have 5 year forward Ken Norman a new contract reportedly
worth over $10 million for 5 years.  So far, Norman who will be an
unrestricted free agent at the end of this year, has balked and
indicated he will test the free agent waters.  

Additionally, guard Mark Jackson, who the Clippers acquired this year
in the Charles Smith trade, and who is playing fantastic ball for them,
will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this year.  (Ironically,
that's one of the reasons they traded away Smith.)  Because they
have been focused on Norman, the Clips have not even begun discussion
with Jackson yet.

Looming on the horizon, both Danny Manning and Gary Grant will be
restricted free agents at the end of this season and unrestricted
free agents at the end of next season.  Manning has already publicly
stated several times that he does not want to return as a Clipper.

12 year veteran forward, Kiki Vandeweghe will also be a free agent at
the end of this year.

Obviously, the Clippers can't afford all these players leave without
any compensation.  The Clippers management have their work cut out for them.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: wades@uts.amdahl.com (Wade Scheckla)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: RUMOR mia Heat - Miami Arena News
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:18:24 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <sikorski-181292192029@drdoom.rsmas.miami.edu> sikorski@oj.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski) writes:
>In article <sikorski-181292050750@drdoom.rsmas.miami.edu> amidst much other
>verbiage, I wrote:
>>
>> Is any other NBA team out there playing on a court over
>> ice?
>
>
>So far Brian Edward Macmillan and Andrew Busa have come up with these...
>Its funny being in a 'new' multi-sport town like Miami. I never really
>wondered about shared sports-facilities, and y'all seem to have info
>like this at your fingertips. Thanks Mac! Thanks Andy! I added some of
>the arena names that these guys left out (so expect an error or two ;-)
>
>Knicks and Rangers:   Madison Square Garden
>Nets and Devils:      Meadowlands Arena (East Rutherford)
>Celtics and Bruins:   Boston Garden
>Bullets and Capitals: Capital Centre (Landover, MD)
>76ers and Flyers:     The Spectrum
>Bulls and Blackhawks: Chicago Stadium
>Lakers and Kings:     Great Western Forum (Inglewood)
>
How about:

Blazers and Winter Hawks:  Memorial Coliseum

	Wade Scheckla
	wades@uts.amdahl.com

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From: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au ()
Subject: Re: Lane Violations (was Re: Jordan and Drexler)
Reply-To: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au
Organization: not likely
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:16:51 GMT

In article 590@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.004105.17286@sequent.com> gsmith@sequent.com (Greg Smith) writes:
>>I think you can get in the lane right after the ball leaves the hand IF you
>>are lined up on the side of the key. However the shooter and anyone else
>>on the floor behind the foul line can't enter the key until the ball hits
>>the rim. Jordan wasn't lined up on the key but came flying in from above 
>>the free throw line about the same time the ball was releasing. Pretty 
>>good trick if you can get away with it. (which MJ obviously did)
>
>This will sound very naive of me, but did Jordan step into the lane?  I'm
>guessing that he did (the legs can't really be all that anymore), but if
>he didn't and just managed to fly *over* the lane, that probably wouldn't
>be a lane violation.  Of course, I'm sure he and the people jockeying for
>position in the lane would be quite prone to injury, but something like that
>would be possible, wouldn't it?
>
>>-- 
>>******************************************************************************
>>Greg Smith - x84364					gsmith@sequent.com
>>Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.				!sequent!gsmith
>>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>-- 
>--David J.-----------------------*********************************************
>--Blue Riddle Productions 1993---   "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE"
>--dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu-          Coming in 1993 from BRP.
>--The Science is upon us...------*********************************************


  You are trying to say that he did a standing leap from the free throw line to
  slam ?

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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: 85-86 Celtics vs 91-92 Bulls.g
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:16:20 GMT
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division

In article <1992Dec15.212846.26541@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>     Don't forget Jerry Sichting, the direct forerunner of John
>Paxson (Sichting made 57% of his shot attempts that season, almost all
>from 18 feet or more, almost all while wide open because defenders 
>were double-teaming McChale, Bird, et al.  Also, like Paxson, he would
>often play a nominal point guard position, but his main job was not to
>throw the ball away, and to spot up outside and wait for a wide-open
>jumper.)
			.
			.
			.
Also like Paxson, he played better defense
than people realize(d).
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
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From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
Subject: Who are the tallest point guards?
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:10:59 GMT


Now that Magic retired for good I'd like to know who
are the tallest point guards in the NBA.

Thanks in advance for answers,

Jacques.
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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: VERNON MAXWELL
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:13:25 GMT

Robert L Mckernan (mckernan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	Please help settle a bet.  What college did the Rocket's Vernon Maxwell
: play for?  I say Florida State my friend says U. Florida Gators. Which one is 
: it?  Thanks alot.
: 			Rob
: 

Florida.  He played with Andrew Moten, Dwayne Schintzius, and Livingston
Chatman on a pretty good team.
From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:56:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart)
Subject:  Latrelle Sprewell
Summary: Warrior rookie update
Keywords: WOW!
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:02:50 GMT





Setting aside the recurring objection that the Warriors would be
better served by drafting lesser talents in bigger bodies, I'd like 
to say that Latrelle Sprewell is showing signs of becoming an *amazing*
ballplayer.

Especially since coming off his brief stint on injured reserve (courtesy
of Greg Kite, thankyouverymuch), he has been playing with a ruthless calm
confidence that is sometimes startling.  His first step is the fastest on
the team, his slashes to the hoop and ability to finish have been stellar
(and occasionally Jordanesque!), and he is rapidly expanding his smooth
perimeter jump shot out to three point range.

And this is a guy who was drafted as a "defensive specialist". He *is*
a gifted defender, and can generate blocks and steals and turn them into
fast break opportunities.  But the added offensive explosiveness he is
displaying makes him look like a certain future all-star to me, even in
the guard-rich west. And that astounds me.  I had no idea he was going
to be this good.

Byron Houston is at least a couple of years off of that pace, but he also
looks like he will become a very solid player.  He plays very big for 6'5",
and can hold his own defending in the low post, blocking shots and pulling
rebounds. His offense is trailing his defense right now, but there are
signs he could improve pretty rapidly. He could become very valuable to the 
Warriors, who lack both height *and* bulk.  Byron has the strength and the 
bulk, and his 85" wingspan helps to compensate for his height.

Not an all-star in 2 years, but I predict he will be a solid force in
that time.  Latrelle may well deserve to be an all-star by then; he looks
that good. But in a conference where even Mitch Richmond gets passed over,
he'll probably have to wait a while.

Either way, I'm damn glad to have these guys on the team. Damn shame about
Mr. Jennings, though. 8^( 

--unrepentant warrior fan
From: rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (Dale Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:15:36 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1992Dec14.053044.15748@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>Good point.  I recall a certain No. 3 overall pick in 1991 that the
>Kings were unable to sign.
>

Frankly, I believe for the Kings to trade away Lionel Simmons and a 1st
Round draft pick for JJ would be a mistake, JJ just isn't worth it for the
Kings for one and frankly I think the Kings need to look for a bigger
center (need to get those stinking rebounds).

-- 
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: NBA's worst defensive players
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:40:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.42468
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1gb1daINNmlr@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola) writes:
>|> Is Reggie Theus still in the league somewhere? He belongs on
>|> the list, as does Orlan_o Woolri_ge.
>|> 
>This is just plain not fair. I've watched the Pistons a number of
>times this year, and THE BIG O has (and I've seen it!) several times 
>cast an unpleasant glance at opposing players as they drive past, shoot over,
>or dunk on him. His work ethic has improved considerably, as he and Mark
>Aguirre have been getting together to work on their defense. However, their
>efforts at advancement have been hampered by the absence of their mentor,
>William Bedford, who is taking the rest of his life off to further the
>study of defensive theory in basketball.

Very amusing article, Rob, but I wish you wouldn't refer to OW as
"The Big O."  It gets too confusing.  There's already a "Big O"
(Oscar Robertson, now retired), not to mention "The Really Big O"
(Oliver Miller, now playing for Phoenix).  How about if we call
Woolridge "The Big 0"?  I'm simply referring to the number on his
uniform, of course.  :^)

Tony
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: David Falk
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


 Michigan star Chris Webber on experience: "Being older doesn't mean that 
you're better.  I think it's good if a sophomore like David Falk wins the
Heisman trophy."
 Thinking ahead, Chris?

--Rob Clough
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From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Subject: san antonio axes shark
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:20:51 EST

Just heard that Tark was canned.

Inside scope, anyone?

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
 stephen.dawson@canrem.com
 Entered 12-18-92 at 6:53pm in Downsview, Ontario

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #3969 * Conformity obstructs progress.
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From: campbell@rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Each Team's All-Time Best (Kings)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:41:57 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

In article <1992Dec14.213804.27241@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.164905.17765@jmb2.jmb.com> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:
>>Leo James (lej@pdn.paradyne.com) wrote:
>>:    team                   player                  runner-up
>>:    ----                   ------                 ----------
>>: Sacremento Kings	Oscar Robertson		Bob Davies
>>Who the hell was Bob Davies?
> 
> Back in the formative years of the NBA (late 40's and early 50's)
> Bob Davies was one of the greatest guards to ever play this game.
> He, Bob Wanzer, and a fiery, red-headed, guy named "Red" Holtzman
> won titles back then for the old Rochester Royals.
> Thanks for asking!  :-)

But the real question is : how does he compare with Nate Archibald? Although
Archibald might be remembered for his stint with the Celtics, his best years
were with Cincinatti-Omaha/Kansas City, where he carried the team. By the
time he joined the Celtics, he was definitely on the downside of his career.
Too bad there were all the franchise moves, or someone might have been able
to compare Davies and Archibald from direct evidence.
			My 2 pfennige				Joe C.
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Laker and Pacific Division woofing
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:08:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.42450
Distribution: usa
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


	First of all, thanks to Doug Steele for posting the stat standings
	for all us stat lovers.  But I'd suggest you look into your stat
	collecting program.  You show that the 3pt %age leaders are petro
	and jim les.  I heard Chick Hearn, Laker broadcaster, say that
	Anthony Peeler was near the top in 3pt %ages.  So I checked the
	team-by-team stats.  Peeler (with exactly 19 attempts) has a
	3pt %age of 0.526.  That's no. 2.  Hey, with everyone belittling
	the Lakers, we faithful have to keep a good watch.
	
	Here's an interesting stat for the Division comparisons:

	Q: How many Pacific Division teams are there in the top 10?
	A: 5.

	Can you imagine the Lakers are in the top 10 without Byron
	(though some may say Thank God, I think he has improved this
	year in terms of confidence)?  And did you see them kill Portland?
	Roowwffff!!!!!  When they're good, they're very very good!  But
	when they are bad, they are horrid.

-Vach

Go Lakers!  Go Vlade!
Kill the Bulls!  Stick the Blazers!  Drink their blood! (with apologies
to William Golding)
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: Jimmy : outta  DALLAS
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:48:24 GMT

In article <1genbkINN91d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>I can't believe Dallas will waste this high pick without trying to trade him
>for something...
>
>Mike
>-- 

not believable?  
hmmmm.. a ponder, a question, a query...why don't we look at the facts?.. ;)


FACT 1) any smart management would try to get something for their high pick, 
	whether it be signing him or trading him for something in return..

thus,  Dallas, it seems, then would try to get something for their high pick.

BUT, the assertion for Dallas's management that they are smart does not hold
true, and this is the preconditon for the trueness (nice word, eh?) of 
statement 1... thus statement one is false concerning Dallas management and 
their high pick of Jimmy Jackson...thus, it IS believable that Dallas will
let a talented, prospective-franchise player, slip through their hands.

:)

Of course, i wonder what this says about my home-town homies the sonics..
 

:(... benoit, olden for pippen, ... but we did have that Dale Ellis thingy
awhile back ... 

ben


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