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From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Need Advice:  First Bike
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:20:44 GMT

	Although I have had a license for about 13 years, I have never
owned a bike.  I would appreciate your thoughts on where to start
shopping, and for what sort of bike.

	What size?  I would like a bike that could carry me (5' 9" and
about 150 lbs.) and my wife (5' 4" and about 120 lbs.) at highway speeds
on occaision, but the principal use would be as weekend country road
entertainment (after getting to the country) for a single rider.  I would
guess that something in a 500 or 600 would be about right, but as I am
pretty much of a novice perhaps a 250 makes sense?  I read nice things
about the Honda CBR600F2 and the Kawasaki Ninja 250.  The last time I was
on a bike for any serious amount of time, though, it was a 2 cycle and I
expect the power/weight ratios of a 4 cycle are worse (but maybe better
with the advances in suspension over the last ten years?). 

	What style?  The standard style seems to me to be more
comfortable, but I have not spent that much time on a sport.  Does all
that plastic make a difference in performance?  Is it much harder to
service a water-cooled faired bike?

	How much?  How do selling prices tend to compare with list prices
for new bikes (that is, what kind of discount might be expected)?

	Buy new?  I have followed the threads on getting a used bike for
the first bike here, but I fear that I will not be able to evaluate
effectively a used bike on my own.  As all the dealers seem to be about an
hour form Center City where I live, buying a used bike from a dealer is
not much more attractive.  Did you buy a new bike and find that you
outgrew it too quickly?  What sort of decrease in value would one expect
in a one or two year old bike that was properly maintained and garage
kept?  (Is it inevitable that I will drop the bike one day?)

	Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  Try to remember
writing our the check for your first bike and let me know what you wish
you knew then.

Chris
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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Time for rec.moto.tech?  (was: sick and tired!!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:47:24 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <73117@apple.Apple.COM>, thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
> scatlin@bnr.ca (Scot Catlin) writes:
>>        Has anyone ever given thought to a new group called
>>rec.moto.tech?  I know the racing and harley ideas have been
>>discussed.  How about tech?
> Great idea, why not do it?  All it would take is someone to

ditto.

can we do .euro at the same time!?!?!?!?

> Where's Bob Ciotti when you need him?

dirt donking to metallica, no doubt.

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-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what has this country come to (and aerostitch info request)
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:53:36 GMT
Reply-To: steve@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
]
]last night the wife and I went out shopping for some simple jean jackets
]to use as "biker" jackets (you know, for patches, rally pins, etc) to
]wear around the campsite, etc. all we wanted was your basic no-frills 
Gonna look kind of stupid with only one rally pin  on it :-).   Once you
go farther than giddings to a rally you will realize that space is at
a premium when traveling and even with the new larger BMW saddel bags you
are gonna have a hell of a time packing 2 peoples worth of shit for a week.
Bet that those jackets stay at home, since you will probably decide that 
your space is better utilized for something else.   Should have gone
down to the factory outlets,  levis jackets were $40 last time I was there.

]catalogs contact me via email? I'm on their list for "the next mailing"
]but really don't want to wait forever. I know what I want, I just need
]to know what measurements they'll want when I place the order.

So call and ask what measurements they want..... its toll free.


Steve
steve@zx11.cactus.org

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org
Summary: Long tire life!
Keywords: brakes holes cooling
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:40:41 GMT

In article <Oct.6.09.34.47.1992.15303@remus.rutgers.edu> kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.004445.1455@elektro.cmhnet.org>, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>
>
>] *AHGEMM*, you forgot to take into account the degree of air turbulence
>] induced by the hole _edges_ cutting through the air.  As this varys with
>] the square of the airspeed, the topmost holes are the ones that count most
>] as they are traveling over the ground at 2*[roadspeed]. 
>
>Yeah, if your rotor(s) is (are) the same diameter as your tire.

Of course!  I assumed this to be the case, since it promotes maximum 
tire longevity.  It also aids fast cornering in towns that have streetcar
tracks - you've heard of cornering like you're on rails haven't you?


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (COBURN  NICHOLAS SCO)
Subject: What would you buy for $2000?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:50:27 GMT


A friend of mine asked me to reccommend the most motorcycle he could 
purchase for around $2000.  I thought this was a pretty interesting
question, and so I would like to know what you all think.  He is most
interested in an '84 or newer sport bike.  I reccommended an FZ750,
Interceptor 550, and a Ninja ZX900.  What would you have said?


Nick 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:06:25 GMT

In article <viking.717826958@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	What's the 1/4mile time, 0-60, 0-100, and 0-60-0 times of the
>FJ1200 and the Shelby 427 Cobra?
>
>	I seem to recall 0-60-0 in the low 6 second range, possibly less.

	The 0-60 time of the Cobra is on the high side of four seconds, so
0-60-0 in around 6 seconds sounds plausible.

-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            1975 CB360T (needs a name)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:19:51 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>During a recent perusal of CYCLE WORLD sept 92 , I was reading a complete
>review of the new BMW K1100LT sports tourer/luxury tourer. I must admit
>I was very impressed by the electric fairing but a single line in 
>the article summed up the new bike.
>
>I quote after some mention of acceleration in the 1/4 mile " Top-gear roll
>on performance also betters that of the ST1100, currently the best 
>sports tourer on the market" 
>
>Now let's not forget that the ST1100 has a true overdrive fifth gear not 
>found on the K1100LT accounting for the less then incredible acceleration
>in fifth but also giving a 85MPH cruising RPM of approx 4300 and 
>absolutley no vibration, but more importantly this article in the above
>line re-affirms that the ST110 is still the best Sports tourer in the
>market and by inference is far superior to the new K1100LT!! For 3000
>less dollars.

Overdrive, underdrive, anydrive. Who gives a shit. When you roll it on,
you want to GO. Now. That's what matters.

I can probably rig up an overdrive sprocket set on my '74 CB350F.
Would that make it a great "Sports tourer"?
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: yduj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Judy Anderson)
Subject: Re: Helmet Replacement Interval
Keywords: helmet, replacement
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.211116.25748@emr1.emr.ca> spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler) writes:
>A year or two ago, various sages (i.e., those at the safety council) were
>recomending that a helmet be replaced every 5 years.
>
>Recently, I have heard a number of people recomend that if a helmet
>is worn regularly, it should be replaced every _2_ years.

Another question I have about this is why don't they tell us miles
ridden, or hours the helmet is exposed to sunlight or other elements,
or whatever the real basis is?  When I first got my bike I rode a fair
amount.  But then I stopped for a couple years, pretty rarely actually
getting on the bike.  Recently with my new job and long commute, I've
been riding more, but I still don't ride nearly as much as real
die-hard DoDers (should I turn in my number?).  I'd like to have some
clue how to translate my own riding habits into the "standard should
replace in two years rider"'s riding habits to know when I should be
replacing my helmet.

I've been considering replacing my helmet because it's pretty noisy
(and this seems to be getting worse).  It's got about 5000 miles on
it, about half and half in-town and highway, so, maybe, 150 hours.
(Boy does that look pathetic when I write it down were in black and
white.  How depressing.)

       Judy Anderson yclept yduJ     'yduJ' rhymes with 'fudge'
	      yduJ@symbolics.com      DoD #166
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From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD is a bad influence
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:00:19 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>Well, it happened today. After months of reading about the
>adventures of fellow DoD members and their casual disregard for
>law and order I looked down at my speedometer to discover I had
>achieved the DoD minimum speed without any concious thought of it.
                  ^^^^^^^
I knew there was a DoD `Nominal' speed.  Is there also a `minimum' speed?
I hope I haven't been riding too slowly -- the local Road Tax Collectors
will be so disappointed!
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ridiculous M/C Engine swaps (was Re: Faster 1100)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1992Oct6.172630.1465@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
|In article <1992Oct5.223842.2645@megatek.com>, randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis) writes:
|>   The same way it can be stated that a Harley-Davidson motorcycle presently
|> holds the land speed record for motorcycles, or how they attribute certain
|> companies with dragsters, when the engine resembles nothing that every came
|> out of that company's factory...
|
|The Easyrider Streamliner holds the current motorcycle LSR and used dual
|Shovel stroker engines.  Most of the engine parts were off-the-shelf
|aftermarket parts that thousands of folks bolt onto their Harley Davidson
|motorcycles...

  And???  I admit that it may more closely resemble a Harley than I originally
thought (at least it uses a Harley engine block), but, it STILL isn't from
Harley-Davidson.  Of course, in these discussions, I am a freak for STOCK
machines - you can modify a machine to do just about anything you want,
depending on how much you want to spend.

  Still, I'm surprised - I was under the impression it wasn't even using a
stock Harley motor block.  Is it?

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cold weather gear for the poor?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:36:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: balrog.1992Oct5.173608.3334
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX

In article <j403662@pro-haven.cts.com> shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>Well, now that cold weather has reared its ugly head, the subject sez it all.
>I'm trying to figure out what I can wear to keep warm, since buying good
>stuff like Aerostitch or leathers is financially out of the question.  What
>is good for those of us who are, for one reason or another, stuck with a
>riding jacket and jeans?  Anyone tried anything like sweats or long-johns
>under the jeans?
>
On my November ride to Phoenix last year (35 out when I left), I utilized the
layering method.

Feet:	polyester socks
	wool socks
	boots
	rain boots

legs:	insulated underwear
	blue jeans
	sweat pants
	rain pants

torso:	insulated undershirt
	tee shirt
	lined windbreaker
	sweatshirt
	leather jacket
	dickie
	rain jacket

hands:	wool gloves
	waterproof ski gloves

One inherited advantage:  with 4 layers on your butt, it sure doesn't get
as sore as quick.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer)
Subject: FZR400 ?
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:17:57 GMT

A friend of mine is considering purchasing his first bike.
He has riden in the past but it has been a while. He wants
to start small (and cheap). I've seen these FZR400's around
town and they look like what he would be looking for. Does
anyone know the power, weight , tank size, etc.. on this
bike. How about Kawi, Honda, or Suzuki? Do they make smaller
bikes?

Thanks in advance!


From: sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa Sieverts)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:40:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Sleeping Pillions, Squid Awards, and other fun
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Well, my own weird theory is that when riding pillion, there's not 
enough airflow through the helmet, so passengers are prone to apnea.
Essentially, there just ain't enough oxygen.  I myself almost fell asleep
while being passengered through one of those amazing roads from
Redding to Mendocino.  I cured it by leaving the face shield open at
least a crack.

Of course, I _really_ cured it by getting my own bike.


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Lisa Sieverts                                        sievertl@corp.hp.com
DoD#511
                          '86 Yamaha Radian 600

no wonder america is in such bad state, americans can post but not read
                                                              -Laxlsk$2o
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From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Replacement Interval
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:18:10 GMT
	<1992Oct6.151946.1235@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<1992Oct6.155904.4090@osf.org>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org's message of 6 Oct 92 15:59:04 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 15:59:04 GMT, jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) said:
John> In article <1992Oct6.151946.1235@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
Ivan>	The recommendation used to be every two years, but I noticed the
Ivan> other day that my "new" Arai Giga had a stamp on the chinstrap "Replace
Ivan> helmet after 5 years use"

John> This has gotta depend on the helmet material. Here's my guess - the
John> life is for fiberglass which ages/dries out faster than the 
John> short life is for the plastic/kevlar combos. How 'bout it? Let's hear
John> from the chemists.

It is not a chemical problem.  The thick shell behind the comfort
liner on a helmet is usually made of a closed-cell foam.  In a
collision, the foam compresses attentuating the impact.  The outer
shell also absorbs some of the impact, usually by shattering, but the
more significant protection comes from the inner shell.

Over time, the inner layer compresses.  Even if you take proper care
of your helmet (not hanging it on mirrors or pegs), there will be some
compression from normal use.  As the foam collapses, the effectiveness
of the helmet decreases.  The fit will change drastically as it
conforms to your head shape, then it will just keep getting slightly
bigger inside each time you use it.  If you share it with other
people, the lifetime will be reduced significantly.

Unless there is a sudden impact like a collision or by dropping the
helmet, the outer shell should not delaminate, chip, or degrade
significantly over time.  I wouldn't be too upset about not being able
to use the same helmet for more than a few years.  Standards
(materials and design) change over time.  I would be surprised if
there weren't some developments in helmet technology in the next 5 -
10 years.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency (was Re: More gasohol)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:06:24 GMT

In article <dbc-280992171146@b62003.student.cwru.edu>, dbc@po.cwru.edu
(Dean Cookson) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.180337.24713@gecko.uucp>, ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp
|> (Ed
|> Campbell) wrote:
|> > 
|>  
|> >      Whatever happened to Chrysler's gas turbine project? The last
|> > version made public produced more power than a piston engine, was
|> > said to be no more expensive to produce in quantity, got better
|> > fuel mileage, and would run on anything that pours and burns.
|> Also,
|> > with the very low combustion pressure, it produced no NOx. They
|> very
|> > publicly demonstrated its multifuel capacity by running it on old
|> frying
|> > grease from a fastfood place. (Police cars could be run on grease
|> from
|> > the doughnut shops!)
|> > 
|> 
|> Didn't they have a problem with the exhaust melting pavement at stop
|> |> lights.

That problem was solved by redirecting the exhaust straight
back..Howerver they did meet stiff resistance from the other
manufacturers in producing titaninum bumpers, grills, hoods
and headlight rims. They also tried redirecting to the side
but the problem was melting the tires of the car next to you
in traffic and starting fires in those big mail boxes if it
was a long light. :-)

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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: briand@sheridan.ncd.com (Brian Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yamaha Seca II
Keywords: Seca
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:02:08 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


I am interested in purchasing a Seca II, and am interested
in comments from owners and riders of the Seca II.

In general I am curious as to the performance and handling,
and to the smoothness of the engine, and its long distance
driveablity (will my butt scream for mercy on a long ride)?


Thanks for any info.

Brian
--------------------------------------
briand@ncd.com


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:12:18 GMT

In article <1aabrmINNqol@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:

>I was thinking of making a t-shirt to
>counter all those images of bikini-babes draped over sport 
>bikes that seem to be on all the motorcycle t-shirts.

already been done.  check out the shirts offered in chaparral's catalog, et al.

>cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|      3 oz leather      86'  0"    Kevlar               22'  1"           |
|      Cordura Nylon     18'  3"    Denim, 2 year old     4' 0.5"          |
|      1.75 oz leather    4'  4"    2.25 oz suede         4'  3"           |
|      Denim, new         3' 10"    Ballistic Nylon       3' 10"           |
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From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Safety Device needed
Keywords: Solo needed
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:12:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: APS.1992Oct5.141232.1942
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.154656@is.morgan.com>, spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:
|> In article <BvGBAv.9Mn@tridom.com>, alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
|> |> 
|> |>  
|> |> I've been looking for a Solo Radar Detector and I'm having some problems 
|> |> locating one.  Damark has them in the catalog, but they are out.  Doesn't
|> |> look like the nearby cage shop has any either.
|> |> 
|> |> Anyone in wreck.moto know where to mail order a Solo?  I don't want to bike
|> |> without one.
|> |> 
|> Is this a trick question? They are made by Cincinatti Microwave, who sell
|> them exclusively factory mailorder (Damark sells refurbished ones). Look in any 
|> car rag for phone #. Or in the wreck.moto yellow pages.
|> 

Cincinnati Microwave also had/has an 800 number. 800 information can tell you the
current number.

The Solo, BTW, is great. 

-- 
Art Campbell          artc@atex.kodak.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                      All the usual disclaimers apply.