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From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Summary: boycott cable - throw away the tv
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:18:50 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


My oh my! All this crybabying over cable tv!

Simple solution that has worked well for me for 14 years. Just cancel the
cable, throw away the tv itself and your are off scott free!

I have survived and thrived without tv for 14 wonderfull years. I did not
miss a darn thing. I get so much more things done. Like reading an average
of two decent sized books per week. Going out and doing things (what I
call active entertainment). Getting more exercize. 

I make each of my entertainment venues more challenging and rewarding.
Like walking at least two miles (no matter the weather) to see a movie.
Or singing in a choir or chorus. Or volunteering. My most sedate form
of entertainment is when I stay at home and read/write netnews.

I have done without tv or a car (which is yet another article that I
osccasionaly hear complaining about here; you know, taxes, registration,
that sort of blither) have not regretted it one bit. Try it. You may
like it. 

Peace!

Mark Allyn

P.S. Entertainment is riding a bicycle loaded down with ham radio gear
7 miles to the opera in the rain; sweetly blowing kisses at all of the
drivers stuck on Eastlake/Mercer traffic as I pass them by, and then
parking my bike right in the lobby of the opera house without having
to pay! Thats Entertainment!!!
From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Film, "The Panama Deception", at Metro Cinemas. Hurry!
Summary: "The Panama Deception" is worth seeing and appearing for a limited time
Keywords: film metro panama limited engagement
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:14:30 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


Metro Cinemas (4500 9th NE, in the U District) is  currently 
showing the Empowerment Project film "The Panama Deception."
The  film shows daily at 9:30P.  Admission is 6.50$.   Seven 
Gables  Discount Cards, which provide 5 admissions for  20$, 
are  accepted Monday through Thursday, and are available  at 
the box office.

"The Panama Deception" is a rather scathing critique of  the 
Bush administration's invasion of Panama in December,  1989.  
The  film presents a much darker picture of the  motivations 
and results of the invasion than I remember appearing in the 
US  press.   Among the themes treated  are  the  conflicting 
estimates of the death toll, the provocative events  leading 
up  to  the  invasion,  and the  political  effects  of  the 
invasion  on the Panamanian Defense Forces and  the  Carter-
Torrijos  Treaty, which would have given Panama  control  of 
the Canal by 1999.

Metro Cinemas is allegedly planning to extend the film's run 
so long as attendance remains high.  (The current run is  in 
fact an extension of a successful premiere at the Neptune in 
August.)  If you want to see the film, go promptly.
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From: hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Audio advice please
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:54:05 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

Anyone know where I can get Yamaha audio components cheaply?  There
don't seem to be any Yamaha authorized mail order houses.  (The
product will not have a warranty and will be gray market if
purchased through a non-authorized mail oreder house).

Thanks, Mike
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: U Dist. Restaurants?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:45:06 GMT

guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:

>I need some recommendations for restaurants, coffee shops,
>etc. in the U district where I can meet a lady friend for
>some coffee, a bite to eat, and some casual, and possibly
>serious, conversation.  They must be open late Sunday
>afternoon and early evening.

Try the Last Exit on Brooklyn, just south of 40th st.  They have 
espresso, coffee, teas, sandwiches, soups, desserts, etc., and
a unique atmosphere.

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 c-OO                                                                      
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From: saddler@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ray, just Ray)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: SWM ISO RWR in Seattle Area
Keywords: windshield repair/replacement
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:50:54 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Northwest Operations

What?  This isn't the personals newsgroup???  Oh damn....how embarassing!

Actually, I *am* in search of a reliable windshield repair/replacement
shop in the greater Seattle area.  Well, okay, it's not for *me*, but
for my roommate who doesn't have 'net access.

Good experiences, bad experiences, quality of glass (or lack thereof),
quality of seals (or lack thereof), and quality of workmanship (or lack..)
will be most important.

Also, do they have *good* coffee or swampwater in their waiting area :-)

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Newsgroups: seattle.general,uw.general
From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Subject: Re: recommendation on brake repair?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:29:00 GMT

I know nothing about the quality of their brake repair, but I have
an interesting anecdote concerning the (in my opinion) high
quality Union Bay Garage in the U District.

On one of the several occasions I have taken the car there
for service, there was a patron waiting in the entry room.  As I
did the paperwork for my vehicle, a mechanic entered from the
garage area and addressed the patron.

He said (I paraphrase), "I'm sorry about the sound your brakes
are making, but my tinkering will not help it.  The sound should
stop in time, and there is no safety risk involved with it.  We
get a lot of <unremembered make of car>s in here with the same
problem.  Here's an information sheet on what causes the sound
and why it can't be mechanically repaired.  There's no point in
your spending money for something that can't be done."

I had never before seen a mechanic admit that there was no
real problem, nothing to be fixed, and no reason to take
the customer's money!

I have taken the car to Union Bay Garage about 3 times, and
each time I was impressed with the courteous, prompt service (about
1/2-day each time) and the reasonable rates.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS})
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:58:12 GMT

In article <351@sleepy.UUCP> oster@sleepy.UUCP (Ken Oster) writes:
>
>I think you need to remember Bush's position on regulation..
>He believes government should not mandate, regulate, order business
>to "do the right thing."  I have heard him say he believes in family
>leave as a company policy etc. but again is more free enterprise
>oriented than the other countries you mentioned...
>

If the government didn't require businesses to "do the right thing",
they wouldn't.

One man's 'regulations' is another's consumer, employee and environment
protection.



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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: noah@cs.washington.edu (Rick Noah Zucker)
Subject: Re: --Utility to Buy Windpower
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 18:27:16 GMT

In article <ETHANB.92Oct2152716@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu> ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes:
>Reposted from <1466300086@igc.apc.org> in sci.energy by Tom Gray
><tgray@igc.apc.org>
>
> <stuff about wind power installation being built near Richland>
>
>   There are signs that the Rattlesnake Ridge project may also
>   stimulate debate in the environmentally-conscious Northwest. 
>   According to the June 7 Tri-City Herald newspaper, the city of
>   Kennewick, Wash., has adopted a resolution opposing the wind power
>   plant on environmental grounds.

	I don't understand.  Why would the wind power plant be opposed on
environmental grounds?  Because of its appearance?  Because it may harm
wildlife?

						    Rick Noah Zucker
From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Summary: bs
Keywords: Family values
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:52:21 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <1992Sep28.145859.4320@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson) writes:
>In article <3096@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>>In article <351@sleepy.UUCP> oster@sleepy.UUCP (Ken Oster) writes:
>>>
>>>Also, you neglected to mention that the whole bill was a political
>>>ATTEMPT by the Democratic Party controlled Congress to bash Bush for 
>>>being hypocritical on "family" values/issues.
>>>
>>
>>Oh, then you admit that Bush is hypocritical on the family values issue :^)
>>Seriously, the only thing that the Demos did with this bill that I'm 
>>aware of is select the timing very carefully.  
>
>Actually, it's worth remembering that Congress passed the family
>leave bill previously (sometime in the last couple years), but
>George vetoed it then, too.  Maybe Congress was watching the
>Republican Convention and thought George had changed his mind....

It certainly wouldn't be the first time he's done so.

Besides, with all this "Family Values" bullshit he's smearing about, he's
going to have a tough time indeed justifying his not signing that bill.

Of course, I may be wrong...his view of "Family Values" is somewhat
Donna-Reed-esque, now that I think of it.  We'd not have to worry about 
such issues as time off if all women would just stay home with the 
kids like they're supposed to, right?  Jesus.....

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From: sdberg@nv2.uswnvg.com (Scott Berg)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:34:44 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Inc., Bellevue, WA

In article <MS-C.717631243.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
> [a bunch of stuff deleted...]
>Neither Bush nor Clinton deserve to be president.

No argument there, just one caveat... neither does "Big Hat, No Cattle"
(Perot)!

Scott Berg


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:49:28 GMT

In article <940@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.195812.23556@u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS}) writes:
>/If the government didn't require businesses to "do the right thing",
>/they wouldn't.

Well, some would out of a sense of civic duty. The best mechanism is if "doing
the right thing" helps them get rich, of course.

>If that was so, why does Nordstrom accept "returned" merchandise even if
>it was bought from another store or obviously worn out?

To keep customers happy so they spend more money. Everyone wins.

>Why does Microsoft give unusually large stock options to its employees?

To motivate employees. Everyone at Microsoft and those who benefit from the
economic output added by Microsoft benefit. The only problems here are that
most companies are not Microsoft, and most "Microsofts" don't last in their
boom state. Benefits to workers are a matter of luck.

>Why do most employees get paid more than minimum wage?

Because employers must do so to get good people. The market works well here.

>Why do businesses offer health plans to their employees?

I suspect some make a profit on it. I have often wondered why a large
company would take the trouble to offer a plan and then repeatedly bumble
claims. I don't know how common this is so it may not be valid.

>The answer, of course, is that business prospers by doing right by its
>customers and employees.

Yes, the free market does seem to be the best regulating tool. The U.S. does
not have a free market, though. Most industries are dominated by a monopoly or
an oligopoly. Once this happens, business doesn't need to "do the right thing"
to prosper. 

Government intervention is expensive and inefficient and needs to be carefully
considered, but may be the only way to effect certain kinds of change. 
Government procurement is also intervention, and should be considered as
carefully as regulation. Quite a few business that damn regulation are quite
happy to accept fat contracts at well above market rate. 

A blind devotion to free enterprise or socialism is naive and dangerous.



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Bothell, WA
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:26:02 GMT
Keywords: Family values

In article <1992Oct2.155816.21711@u.washington.edu> kevin@milton.u.washington.edu (Kevin Caskey) writes:
>On the subject of family leave, they site  a US insurance company that
>actually reduced employment related costs when it introduced a liberal
>family leave program (if you want to check it out, it's the issue I received
>Saturday last).
>
>Look around, gather facts, check out alternatives, THEN form an opinion.

Exactly.  I couldn't have said it better.

Do we centralize company policies and have them set by the U.S.
Government, imposed by force -- or do we allow individual companies
and individuals to decide?

This is the key.  I haven't argued that allowing family leave isn't
a good idea.  Actually I think it's pretty smart of companies to do
so -- especially with hiring and training costs being what they are.

The problem is when you start making centralized economic decisions.
It's inefficient and unproductive.

There's a certain amount of compensation companies are willing to pay
for a given job.  This is a mix of wages, stock options, insurance,
family leave benefits, company parties, etc.  All laws like
this do is remove the ability of companies to provide the mix of
compensation desired by employees.

For instance say "Karen" is unmarried and has no children.  She wants a
job where there's no family leave policy but has good disability insurance.
Laws like this prevent her from making that choice.  Maybe "Joe" would
like to have a higher salary instead.   Nope -- federal law prohibits
this.

Make no mistake.  This law doesn't give anybody anything.  What it
does is take away choice.  No thanks.

Bill
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kaliyuga@carson.u.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:53:15 GMT


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mojo@polari.online.com
Subject: COPS in Seattle
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: uassa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:56:27 GMT


This article is intended to analyze certain flaws in the 'bedside-manner'
of our local constabulary (Seattle) as exhibited in a recent COPS episode.

Scene 1:
A local Tacoma dirt-boy gets pulled over for speeding. The lad refuses to
display ID. The officers quickly determine that he is wanted for over 30
Failures To Appear on various traffic violations. He has some construction
materials in his trunk that the officers suspect are stolen.
The lad is promptly bounced on the hood of the patrol car and cuffed.
As he is slammed down, the hood ornament (about 3" high) gouges his solar
plexus. As he is stood up, his head bounces off the hood ornament. His
eyes miss the hood ornament by less than an inch. 
The camera gets fool coverage, and the monolouge captures all the sound effects of his discomfort.
All during the arrest, he is reminded of how naughty it is not to tell the
truth to the police.

I am sure that the others who watched this will vary in their reaction. Some
may have been offended, others may have cheered. The fact remains that the
film footage clearly showed that the suspect nearly had an eye gouged out
by the hood ornament of the patrol car.

The techique of subduing minor criminals must include preparations for
minimizing physical damage to the suspect and to the officer.
One technique would be to remove all protrusions from the hood of the
patrol car, and to pad it with 1/4" foam . 

I would appreciate comment from anyone who is interested in the matter
of improving community relations with the Seattle/Tacoma police.

Jim
 


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Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.forsale
From: patlam@microsoft.com (Patrick Lammers)
Subject: 84 Z-28 for sale
Date: 05 Oct 92 17:57:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: seattle
Keywords: Camaro chevy car sale for

1984 Camaro Z-28
78K miles
Black w/red striping, T-tops, Automatic, Air, 305V8, 
Interior & body in great shape!
Blue book value is $3500, asking $2500 for a quick sale.

Call 935-4927 evenings (or daytime but you'll get a machine).

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: U Dist. Restaurants?
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:49:33 GMT

In <1992Oct1.152551.22097@u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS}) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.031732.26055@nwnexus.WA.COM> guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>>I need some recommendations for restaurants, coffee shops,
>>etc. in the U district where I can meet a lady friend for
>>some coffee, a bite to eat, and some casual, and possibly
>>serious, conversation.  They must be open late Sunday
>>afternoon and early evening.
>
>There's a coffee shop at 42nd & University (Roma something?) where all the
>twentysomrthings hang out.  Good prices!

And a very nice staff.  But it's often rather noisy there (though on a
Sunday afternoon.)

If it was me, and I didn't mind walking down to Wallingford, I'd consider
either the Pastry Case (just down the block from Julia's), or the
<something> <something> teahouse & travel bookstore, which is a block east
of the Wallingford Center, and right across the street from Murphy's new
location. 

                           "I will never apologize for the United States of
                            America, ever.  I don't care what the facts are."
                                           -- George Bush
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: so, pro-windmill cadres...
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:16:23 GMT

Let me get this straight.  So that your windmills can supply enough
energy to serve current needs, you are proposing that you clearcut
Washington State and fill it with windmills and cows?  Such
environmental consciousness.

Oh.  I get it.  You want to build windmills *only* in those few areas
that are devoid of trees, windy, and not used for anything other than
cow pastures.  Just ignore the fact that the electricity you'll get
from the whole mess is a drop in the bucket of the overall energy
needs.

Just ignore the fact you'll be spending all that money to accomplish
nothing, so more fossil-fuel burning plants will have be constructed
to fill the gap.  The money wasted on Politically Correct
non-solutions could be used to develop solutions, but NO!!!...

I've been to the toy facility along I-580 too.  Several times.  You
call those things quiet?  You can hear the WHISH-WHISH of the blades
from a half a mile away.  Of the ones which are turning.  Most of them
aren't.

They dominate the entire area.  It's interesting that the claims that
they don't impact the ecology of the area come from urban
`environmentalists' who evidentally think that anything that doesn't
have lots of trees (or water) is a sterile wasteland.  The claim of
`no significant bird kills' does not mesh with what I read from the
California chapter of the Sierra Club either.

Perhaps you should spend some time living in a `desert' to appreciate
why windmills are not welcome `environmentally neutral' technology.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Sports bar with satellite dish for KC/Denver game
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:21:59 GMT

bobhurt@cac.washington.edu (Bob Hurt {IS}) writes:

>I would like to watch Sunday's Kansas City at Denver football game,
>but since it starts at the same time as the Seahawk game it won't
>be televised here.

>Does anyone know of a sports bar or anything that has at least one
>satellite dish and might have the KC/Denver game on?

>Any help will be appreciated!

>--Bob Hurt
>  bobhurt@u.washington.edu
>  Bronco fan for life

You might want to try the sports bar at the Sea-Tac Hilton (or was it the
Hyatt?). They have a sports bar with 5 satellite dishes and will generally
set it to the game you want if you call them a few days in advance. 

Good Luck.
From: briank@Kimbro.SeaSlug.ORG (D. Brian Kimmel)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Antique Bricks
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:10:33 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: D. Briank Kimmel - home system

I have many thousand antique bricks (circa 1910-1920) that have
come out of an old building I am remodeling.  Most of the bricks
are in excellent shape.  They appear to be hand made as there are
size variations in each of the bricks.

Does anyone have any idea what they are worth.  I would like to find
either buyers or brokers to dispose of them.  Some prices I have heard
of range from $.25 to $.75 each.

Has anyone bought or sold anything like this?  What is a realistic
price that I should expect to get.

Brian
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