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From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Distribution: world
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re:People that don't indicate (was Re: Holiday Road Peri)
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Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 01:26:28 +1200

In <1993Jan8.130612.13060@waikato.ac.nz>, dwong@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>1)	Not using indicators to err, umm indicate the intended direction of
>travel...  This one always gets me swearing to myself and occasionally the
>offending driver(s).

I find it's usually senior citizens doing this, especially when they're
 stopping. The seem to think they rule the road, and just slow down in
 the middle until they find the house they want, and pull over.
It really pisses me off too, you don't know if they really are going
 to pull over, so it's too risky to overtake.

 Craig.



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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:39:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Cc: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:

>1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
>the right? 

To smooth the journey out. The less braking, accelerating and turning you
have to do, the less tired and inattentive you will be. Often you have a
tight right-hand bend to make, which is easier to make if you can use the
wrong side of the road. Perhaps you can't see enough of the road to
guarantee that you can complete the manouevre as you intend, but you *can*
see far enough to be able to get back on your own side in time if something
else does come. (Sometimes, you can drive with perfect visibility in a
straight line along a wiggly road following the folds of a hillside.)  Sure,
it might be a bit undignified to have to brake and take the corner much
slower, but that happens quite rarely in NZ because there is so little
traffic.

Of course, such a manouevre relies on the other guy having at least as much
margin for error as yourself. Not always a valid assumption, so not
necessarily a good idea.

>What pet hates have other people got about the driving of others?

Drivers who drive slower than the prevailing traffic speed, yet never let
up to let the ensuing long queue of impatient drivers (like myself) past.
Especially cautious people in powerful cars, who slow down too much for the
corners but shoot off at 120 on the few straight bits when it's safe to
pass. 

Jeremy

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:30:39 GMT
	<C0rCBq.n4o@comp.vuw.ac.nz>

Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ewan Tempero) writes:

> (Regular readers will have seen particular diatribe from me
> before. You think I was going to miss a perfectly good opportunity
> to rant and rave about it again??! :-)

All you needed was
	This message was automagically generated.
:-)

Nat
(what I hate is the intersection just past the Kelburn viaduct, where
it's kind of a roundabout, but not really)
From: tom@thegrove.welly.gen.nz (Peter Browne)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: To all you little boys and girls.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:34:28 +1200
Organization: TheGrove Unlimited

Santa@fbi.amigans.gen.nz (Saint Nicholas) writes:
,
>  Oh what fun it is to ride,
>  In a one horse open slay."
> 
> Boy! does that SLAY me! Santa used to come in a sleigh in 
my day!

Tom

I have nothing to declare except my genius! (Oscar Wilde)

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: engf002@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: RE: CLEAR VS. TELECOM
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:06:25 GMT

>> More on Phone banking:
>  
>  Well chaps you can add another two banks to your lists as well.
>  
>  - National Bank
>  - Westpac
>  
I don't know about the National Bank one, but the Westpac telebanking
service charges you a fixed fee (5 bucks a year or something) 
AND they charge you 25 cents for each and every transaction.

Do the National, BNZ or ASB telebank services charge ? ?

I use the PSIS phone-banking system which has *NO* charges at all
- it is totally free.

Andrew Earl
From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:40:09 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1993Jan11.043936.17008@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>
>>1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
>>the right? 
>
>To smooth the journey out. The less braking, accelerating and turning you
>have to do, the less tired and inattentive you will be.

BullShit!

Far more people fall asleep at the wheel and wander off the road on a 
straight road than on a windy road that demands more concentration.

> Often you have a
>tight right-hand bend to make, which is easier to make if you can use the
>wrong side of the road.

What a lazy and dangerous driving habit!

>Perhaps you can't see enough of the road to
>guarantee that you can complete the manouevre as you intend, but you *can*
>see far enough to be able to get back on your own side in time if something
>else does come.

Crap! You're assuming that all the cars coming in the other direction will
be driving as sedately as you do.  If a car comes at you from around a corner
at a far higher speed than you expect, you're not going to get back over
your side on time, and YOU WILL BE THE ONE THAT CAUSES THE ACCIDENT!

Many modern cars can safely handle high cornering speeds and have 
efficient anti-lock brakes that will stop on a dime.  Why should they 
slow down because an idiot like you decides to cross the centreline on 
every corner?


 (Sometimes, you can drive with perfect visibility in a
>straight line along a wiggly road following the folds of a hillside.)  Sure,
>it might be a bit undignified to have to brake and take the corner much
>slower, but that happens quite rarely in NZ because there is so little
>traffic.

If you knew anything about cars, you would realise that having to suddenly
brake hard and change direction at the same time (to avoid a car that is 
obeying road markings) puts you in a situation of potential danger.  Your
car suddenly becomes very unstable and is liable to suddenly go into a 
sideways slide along the road.

You will (fortunately) be the loser in this situation as, at the time
of the impact, the other car will be travelling forward, so the occupants
will be protected correctly by their engine bay and seat belts. You, 
however, will be T-boned in the drivers door and will be badly injured.
Either smarten up your driving skills or surrender your licence now so
that you don't injure somebody!


Andy Gardner,
Wellington, New Zealand
Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara, Aotearoa
Newsgroups: nz.general
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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: TV Cricket
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:14:39 +1300
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

Has anyone else noticed how much more pleasant the tv cricket coverage is 
this season without Henry Blofield commenting on "how marvellous this stump 
vision is" (sorry, can't get the Pommie accent into my posting) every time 
stump vision is used? In particular, last season I thought the stump vision 
was an absolute waste of time, this season I don't think it's so bad.

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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
From: russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Street)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:14:14 GMT
 <2809729881@hoult.actrix.gen.nz><C0rCBq.n4o@comp.vuw.ac.nz> <C0rE8F.1wM@comp.vuw.ac.nz> <GNAT.93Jan13104307@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) writes:

>harper@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (John Harper) writes:

>> I have a pet Road Code hate which may fit in this discussion. We are told 
>> the meaning and purpose of an area of road with white diagonal stripes
>> painted on it but not the difference (if any) when the stripes are yellow.
>> Consider for example Kelburn Parade in the middle of this university.

>It is a little-known factoid that the yellow diagonal stripes..

Very cute ... but what do the _stripes_mean_!

May be they mean someone ran out of white paint when holding up the
traffic, or was badly colour blind (or someother sort of blind).
As a devote worshipper of the road code, this is of vital import.

While on colours -- why white and yellow? They look _terrible_ side by
side (ask any kid with Lego bricks). Why not use something more
striking -- like a red, dark blue or pale green.  You could employ a
lot of people to do white dotted lines with the first dot red, the
next blue, the next green etc.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Russell Street (r.street@auckland.ac.nz)
	"I do not object to people looking at their watches
	when I am speaking -- but I strongly object when
	they start shaking them to make certain they are
	still going."
From: athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: YES there are NeXT computers in New Zealand!!!
Date: 13 Jan 93 13:49:17 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan12.113536.11962@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz>, clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear) writes:
> In article <6223@rosie.NeXT.COM> user_groups@next.com writes:
>>Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO
>>The 2nd annual gathering of the world-wide NeXT community!
>>	An international Developers Conference!
>>		An educational Users Conference!
>>			A NeXTSTEP product exposition!
>>				A global User Group Meeting!
> 
> I'm sure its wonderful, but does anyone in NZ actually *own* a NeXT?
I have one. (I'm using it now, we have two more coming next week, Wellington
Polytech has one, Waikato has three or four, more going into use every week!!!

If you want one, talk to Data General in Wellington, they will give you one in
exchange for a largish chunk of money 8-)

TTFN
Alastair


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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: TV Cricket
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:18:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
> I understand that the "expensive and sensitive electronic equipment"
> is in a box underground and that the stump just has a mirror device in
> it.

That didn't stop Akram making fairly short work of it.... 8-)

Erm, 'scuse my iggerance...  but if it's a mirror/prism to a camera 
underground, how come it kept functioning to produce the only interesting
pictures taken from it, ie the view of the sky and pitch through smudged
lenses after being knocked out of the ground by yet another Akram yorker?

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Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: TV Cricket
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:06:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
> Has anyone else noticed how much more pleasant the tv cricket coverage is 
> this season without Henry Blofield commenting on "how marvellous this stump 
> vision is" (sorry, can't get the Pommie accent into my posting) every time 
> stump vision is used? In particular, last season I thought the stump vision 
> was an absolute waste of time, this season I don't think it's so bad.

Cricket commentaries are far more pleasent without Henry Blofeld, full stop.

"Stump vision" gives the bowlers something to aim at.  8-)

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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO and First Call For Exhibitors
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

What it is....

The 2nd annual gathering of the world-wide NeXT community!
	An international Developers Conference!
		An educational Users Conference!
			A NeXTSTEP product exposition!
				A global User Group Meeting!

Call 1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call
(508)470-3880 or fax to (508)470-0526 for registration information.

When it is...      
   
   MAY 25-27, 1993,
       

Where it is...

   THE MOSCONE CENTER,
   SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA
            

What to do....

Pass the word.  Tell your colleagues, fellow user group members,
other computer industry user group members, fellow NeXTSTEP
developers, potential developers, and friends, to schedule this date,
and stay tuned for more information!!  Please post this message to
local and community electronic bulletin boards and feel free to
publish in your user group or company newsletters.

Once again, call to get on the mailing list for advanced registration
and more information about the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo....

1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call 508-470-3880 -or-
fax (508)470-0526.

_____________________________________________________________________
CALL FOR EXHIBITORS AT 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

Join us from May 25-27 at Moscone Center in San Francisco for the
second annual gathering of the worldwide NeXT community, and
International Developers conference, an educational Users conference,
a NeXTSTEP product exposition, and a global User Group meeting!

NeXTWORLD Expo is being co-sponsored by NeXTWORLD Magazine and
Digital Consulting, Inc. (DCI).  DCI is handling all show management
and logistics for this year's Expo.

Exhibitors please contact Matthew Schmuck or Charlie Hurth at DCI
West--
        408 280 6778 voice
        408 280 6779 fax

Exhibitor kits will be available December 28.  Space will be assigned
on a first-come, first-serve basis. (Past NeXTWORLD Expo exhibitors
will be given priority consideration for space selection through
January 10).

Calls are pouring in, and choice space is moving quickly, so don't
delay!

Expo and Conference Attendees:

To participate in the User Conference, Developer Conference, or to  
attend the Expo, call 1-800-767-2336.  International callers can fax  
inquiries to DCI at 508-470-0526. Please label all correspondence:

        Attention: NeXTWORLD Expo

and include your name, address, business name, FAX and phone numbers.



Conrad Geiger
Manager, International NeXT User Groups
From: dwong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:06:12 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz>, mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
> I asked why the holiday road period finished a day early. 
> In article <1ifgf9INN1eo@terra.cs.waikato.ac.nz>, hamish@terra.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Hamish Marson) responded:
>
> [Interesting thoughts on taking down plate numbers and
>  other interesting road incidents deleted...]
>
> What pet hates have other people got about the driving of others?
>> 

Well that's an easy one, well, at least in my opinion big peeve number 1 would
be :-

1)	Not using indicators to err, umm indicate the intended direction of
travel...  This one always gets me swearing to myself and occasionally the
offending driver(s).

followed by...

2)	"Hogging" the centerline.  A dangerous practice, after all doesn't the
Road Code state that you should if possible keep as far left as practicable. 
Centerline drivers tend to make others following impatient as well, especially
if they're moving slow - impatience or a rush of blood to the head is often a
cause of accidents, we start thinking irrationally.

3)	Many others...

Hey, but I don't claim to be a perfect driver either, I make mistakes but
always try to be considerate on the road 8^)

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From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:25:13 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <7BT6wB1w165w@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz>, bryan@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz (Bryan Taylor) writes:
>craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>
>> In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz>, Martin D. Hunt writes:
>> 
>> >1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
>> >the right? Drivers seem to particularly like to do this on blind corners. 
>> 
>> I do this, but only if there is no other traffic in either direction,
>>  and only if I have a clear view for miles. I know it's illegal,
>>  but if there's no other cars around at all, it smooves out all those
>>  curves and makes the curve safer.

IMHO, if you develop lazy driving habits such as cutting corners
"when it is safe", do miss out on lots of practice at accurately
placing you car on the road.  The more practice get at accurate
car placement, the better chance you have of survival on that day
in 199X when you drive around a blind corner to find a runaway
truck/trailer across the centre line and bearing down on you.

A person with good car control can quickly put his/her car through
the 6ft gap between the truck and the ravine, whereas the lazy driver
would not have a hope in hell.  Don't develop lazy driving habits!

On this subject, I was driving down the Ngaio Gorge here in Wgtn the
other day. For those of you that don't know, its a major road, lots
of sharpish, blind corners, a steep gorge on one side and a double
yellow line for the whole trip.

In front of me was car large car with a number of ethnic people from
a Pacific Island nation in it.  The car wandered 1/2 way over the 
double yellow line during each cornering manouvre, the kids in the
back were standing on the seats unrestrained, and the was a large
sticker on the back window saying DRIVE TO SURVIVE...  what a joke!



Andy Gardner,
Wellington, New Zealand
Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara, Aotearoa
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: nz.wanted
Subject: Re: Lava lamp ( help resurrecting one please)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:27:07 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:

> I'm pretty sure the liquid is paraffin oil and the solid stuff some
> form of wax.

Hmmm. The liquid can't be paraffin oil, as that isn't miscable with
water, and it was definitely topped with water.

As for the wax, I still think it's some form of petroleum grease,
or possibly a very heavy alcohol - I took a sample from the lamp,
and it's quite soft and greasy, even at room temperature, plus
it stinks to high heaven.

It's interesting to see the other stories about these things.
I've seen the same type of lamps on sale recently, but filled
with what appears to be thousands of pieces of aluminised mylar
instead of the bubble stuff. They're interesting, but not
nearly as cool(?) as the old lava lamps.

BTW: Which shops were offering to refill them, as I had no joy
     phoning round in Palmy.

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Newsgroups: nz.wanted
Subject: Wanted: A colour Mac system
From: pleu1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Patrick Pui-Wah     Leung          )
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:59:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: mac
Summary: Wanted: a colour mac system

I'm looking for a complete colour mac system in reasonably good condition.
An ideal system would be an LC II 4/80 with 13" colour monitor - although other
machines such as IIsi's, IIci's or even the old IIx's would be considered.
Hard disks are optional although I'd prefer around 4 megs of RAM for System 7.
I'm looking at a price range of around NZ$3500 - 4500 (preferably on the lower
end!)
Please reply by email.


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