From: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf)
Subject: Re: A bunch of prejudiced people.
Originator: stumpf@hphalle0.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:30:09 GMT


My apologies to all Americans, who are not IrcOp for EGO reasons and are not
IrcAdmins for EGO reasons and felt that I have addressed my flame to
them! This is NOT what I wanted!

In article <1992Jul22.203330.22715@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
|> How sad...how really sad.  I've been reading both sides of
|> this 'My country is better than yours' argument and it has all the 
|> kick of the 'My computer is better than yours'$ 'My car is better than yours',
|> or 'My dad can beat up your dad'.  

STOP! This is not true!
I didn't flame that my country is better than yours, not even all countries
are better than US.

What I said was (and what should become clear, if you read my flame carefully):
1) That the biggest contingent of IRC Servers is from US
2) That most of them are there for EGO reasons (and so not really needed)
3) That most of the Ops in US are Ops for EGO reasons (and so not really needed)!
4) That most of the admins of THOSE servers and THOSE Ops think that US is
   the best ... rules the world and this stuff.
5) That most of THEM should consult a psychiater!

1), 2) and 3) I think are facts.
4) is my theory (which I get from the actions and /WALLOPS (from the time we
   has them))
5) I wrote this, 'cause I was really angry and it was mainly meant to one
   person! (But I still think someone who thinks that his country rules the
   world should consult a psychater - no matter what country he is from)

I did NOT say:
1) ALL americans are morons/insane
2) my country is better than yours

I too, don't think there are any problems with being proud of my country,
but that doesn't mean that I close my eyes to all the things that are
bad (and every country has things that are good and things that are bad)


Some comments to explain my anger:
Mostly speaking for the situation in Germany (even it is/may be true for some
other countries, too)

We are not so lucky to have T1 links. The IRC community (or mostly the Admins)
have to struggle and fight to not get the IRC ports because of the amount of
traffic.
We try to keep the number of servers down, try to set up bandwidth-saving
links and try to get a limited number of reasonable Ops.

These actions do not only help us, but the whole IRCnet, as less server
information is spread around, there is less /KILLing and /WALLOPing. All these
saves net-bandwidth, not only for us, but for the whole IRCnet.
This also leads to a more mature relation with resources.

As this situation applies in general for all of the Euopean countries,
the EBIC (European Board of IRC Coordinators) has been formed with the
intention to reduce unnecessary traffic, get better connectivity and some
rules for adding new servers.
However this rules are not binding and may be overridden by each country.
(which does not happen - at least now).

I can understand that those from US with a bunch of T1 links and no such
problems don't want rules and cry "IRC is an anarchy" and "IRC is for FUN",
but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.
There had been a lot of backbone plans for the US, but none of them ever
worked! Did you ever ask yourself why?

|> So where do we go from here?  Is any specific part of the US more moronic
|> than the others?  What about Europe?  Where do the really insane people
|> live there?  

As I said, I didn't have any generalizations in mind.
And for the insane topic:

Don't you think that someone, who is down to hell, 'cause that bitch of
a girl he knew from IRC and he was so in love with left him, who on the
other day writes "IRC is fun" and on the next day says "I have a new love
and it's serious this time", who himself says he's Op only for being Op
and because it's cool.
Don't you think that someone like him really has some problems, and isn't
too mature?
(or maybe he's simply too young. And in this case I don't think he should
have as much responsibility as I think an Op has (or at least should have).


That's it!
Hope it helped to make some things clearer!
And I hope even more it helps IRCnet!

	\Maex
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