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From: binkowsk@egr.msu.edu (Matthew Binkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Worst Bowl Game Halftime of 1992
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:31:00 GMT
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In article <15112@cis.rand.org> Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler) writes:

>WAKE UP, USC!  I've been listening to the same stupid music week
>after week after week for ten football seasons.  (And no, I'm
>not even talking about fight songs, that has been covered in 
>an earlier discussion on this newsgroup.)
>
>Why is it that you continue to play music that was first played 
>when I was in the band way back in 1977-1982?  It's bad enough that
>we had to listen to the same music all this football season, but
>to repeat them at a bowl game (especially "Tusk" and "Sing Sing Sing") 
>is simply pathetic.  You had a whole month, couldn't you learn anything 
>new?   The USC Band of old, and probably all of the current top 
>bands in the country, learned new music every week and put some
>real effort into a bowl performance (no matter WHICH bowl game it
>was).

Agreed.  When we shared the halftime show with USC in 1990 at the John
Hancock bowl, their halftime show was mediocre at best.  The stadium, 
filled with 80% USC fans, barely acknowledged their performance.

And yes, they did play Tusk during pregame..

>Good thing you aren't in the Rose Bowl, as Michigan would blow you
>off the field. 

Not really.  They sounded pretty weak at the Rose bowl (where they got
a LOT of TV time).  I don't care how much you practice, if you march
like Michigan (with only one foot on the ground at a time) you're not
going to get enough sound.  Their "Star Spangled Banner wasn't very
clean either..

>Grrrr...end of flame.  I'm still a loyal USC alum, but I really think
>the band needs a new director.  And an arranger.

Well I hate to flame USC again, but in addition to a new director and
arranger, they also need a new attitude.  I have NEVER EVER EVER met
a ruder, more mean spirited band than USC at the Hancock bowl.  Ask anyone
who's ever had to share a field with them.  Their just mean!

Matt
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: LSJUMB's show at the Blockbuster Bowl
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:52:22 -0600
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What show is the SMUT planning for New Year's Day?  I don't get ESPN, so I
won't see it.
 
My guess is that you will "inaugurate" Bill Clinton.  Do I get a spliff?
(Do you expect a *tobacco* cigar from the LSUJUMB?)
 
Rich Lamb, UCLA Band 1977-1981
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech!
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:32:05 GMT
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In article <1992Dec21.173356.25000@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jeramia.Ory@launchpad.unc.edu (Jeramia Ory) writes:
>	So _that's_ what the words are.  When we (Nebraska) played you
>guys in the Citrus Bowl in '91 all we could make out were the first two
>lines, so we sang the entire tune after that as helluva helluva helluva ...
>etc., substituting f*cking queer for engineer.  Ah, memories
>
That's just the first verse.  And sorry about man-handling you in the football
game.  :-)  We did end up national champs that year.

the other verses will be posted tonight...in case ANYONE cared.

Scott

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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UCLA fight songs (was: UCLA rumor)
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:48:30 GMT
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>edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith) writes:

>>On a separate topic, UCLA has 7-countem-7 fight songs (plus an Alma Mater) 
>>in current use.  Here's a list: 

>>           Sons of Westwood:  Discussed above

This is a Cal song.  It's called "Big C", and was written before UCLA
even existed.  UCLA started playing it in 1962.

>>              Mighty Bruins:  Written by Bill "Rocky" Conti in the 1980's
>>         By the Old Pacific:  Traditional?  Anybody else play this?

Also a Cal song, called "By The Old Pacific's Rolling Waters."  

>>         Strike up the Band:  Written for UCLA by George & Ira Gershwin
>>                  Sing UCLA:  No clues
>>         Team Hear Our Song:  The trio of Fillmore's Crosley March
>>   Fight on Men of Westwood:  Was "Fight on Pennsylvania"

>>Do other schools have this many fight songs?

Cal has a LOT more songs than this.  Some of them are:

Big C, Fight For California (Lights Out March), Sons of California,
Cal Indian Song, California We're For You, The Golden Bear, The
Stanford Jonah, By The Old Pacific's Rolling Waters, Cal Band March,
Hail To California, All Hail, Fight 'Em (about Washington), Bear
Down You Golden Bear (not played anymore ... written by the same
guy who wrote "Fight On For USC"), California Marching Song,
Make Way For the Bear, Roll On (Massed Band Special), One More
River (also used by Navy).

That's 17, and I know there are more.


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From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Cal (UC Berkeley) Band
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:28:11 GMT
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In article <1hgounINN90i@agate.berkeley.edu>, alabatt@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Andrew A. LaBatt) wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in the governing structure of other college bands, especially
> student-run bands.  For example, here is a (long) description of the present
> structure of the Cal Band.  I don't expect anything this long or detailed
> back, but I'd appreciate any feedback.
...
[detailed description of Cal Band structure deleted]

This is simply unbelievable.  With the addition of just one more committee
everyone involved in the Band could be *more* involved with the Band.  You
could call it the "Executive Committee for Those Who Somehow Escaped All of
the Other Committees" or maybe a "Committee to Produce a Detailed OrgChart
of Cal Band Structure" :) .

The MOB runs relatively smoothly with a student staff of around 15 people,
a full-time administrative assistant ("Mom"), and a couple of work-study
administrative assistants.  Compared to Cal this is complete anarchy.  But
there's still Stanford and Virginny out there to show us the true path...
:)

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From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas)
Subject: Re: Parades and Playing frequency
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:01:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

|> Ugh!  At NGHS (pardon my high-school references here; they're the only ones I
|> can make from my own experience), we avoid singing like the plague (but only
|> during marching season;

As my wind symphony director and my corps horn staff used to tell me - if you can't sing it, you can't play it(at least in tune and correctly).  It's true - once you're able to sing a piece with some degree of confidence, playing it gets that much easier...  Of course, it took me ten years to learn that, but...

I didn't really start singing my parts until drum corps, so it was a pretty big shock to my system as well.  If you're not into the vocal stuff(I still don't sing in church) it takes a while to get used to it...like about a year!

The funniest thing I think I've ever seen was writing singing parts into our dc show in 1990 for the drum line.  These guys had even less vocal ability than I did...needless to say the part was cut the first week of practice.

Tony Maas
IBM Rochester, MN
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: The Marching Morons (was Re: Cindy the Disco Queen)
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:11:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <pete.725934863@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:

>>Actually, if you look at the global statistics, the average person
>>today is much better off than he would have been 100 years ago.
>>Global life expectancy is up, average nutrition is up, literacy rates
>>are at all time highs (the number, not just the fraction, of people
>>who are illiterate is declining), and average wealth is up.  About the
>>only places not making real progress are parts of Africa.

> Interesting. I'll accept your stats for the sake of continuity, but I'd like
> to know where you derive them from. Club of Rome?

UN statistics, mostly.  The literacy result was from UNICEF, I think;
the agriculture figures from UNFAO.


> The popular explanation for this lack is that their government is
> totalitarian and brutal, suppressing such things in order to maintain
> its control. However there are many nations on the planet that have
> been subject to such oppression, and they have shrugged it off. China
> shows no sign of doing so. Why?

> Could it be because the population of mainland China largely consists
> largely of "morons"? 

Hardly plausible -- east asians tend to score, on average, a bit
*higher* than caucasians on IQ tests.  More plausibly, differences
in development can be laid to different histories and social circumstances;
now that conditions are ripening for capitalism and innovation,
their economy is exploding with growth.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: The Marching Morons (was Re: Cindy the Disco Queen)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:16:57 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>If foreign countries with debts to the US would use weapons to try to negate
>their debt, there would be a lot of disadvantages to them.  These disadvantages
>would outweigh the advantages of not having a debt.  But they would not
>outweigh the disadvantages of complete eradication of the country in a few
>generations, 

We're not talking about "complete eradication of the country". We're talking
about permanently reducing population pressures within the country so as to
benefit its inhabitants.

>>I don't seem to be able to follow your argument here. Are you suggesting that
>>a world without overpopulation problems is somehow more prone to dictatorship?

>I'm suggesting that in a world where secret groups freely spread sterility
>viruses to foreign countries, dictatorship suddenly becomes a lot more
>advantageous.  

You're suggesting that demagogues will use such a "threat" to seize power? 
Again, if that were true, wouldn't it apply to HIV?

>Since such groups can act only without a world dictatorship,
>the effect of such groups is to increase the stability of a dictatorship,
>relative to democracy.

I don't see why clandestine sterillizors couldn't operate within 'a world
dictatorship'. A dictator might see such things as tools with which to preserve
order - dictators seem to be much fonder of eugenics and such than democracies
are.

>Even if the dictatorship does not take over the whole world, it still benefits
>if it can take over enough of the world to 1) have enough captive scientists
>to force to provide a cure, or 2) have enough captive scientists to force to
>provide another sterility virus to use against the dictatorship's enemies.

If a dictatorship wanted to outbreed its "enemies" it could simply pump up
the pro-large-family dogma; but in an age of mass weaponry, outbreeding your
'enemies' is not an effective military strategy.

>The sterility virus has essentially the same effect, with respect to politics,
>as a weapon which directly kills the victims instead.

I'm afraid I don't see that. A weapon which strengthens your enemy and leaves
him fully capable of retaliation is not a very effective weapon, imho.

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From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Global Sterilization (was Re: The Marching Morons)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 05:33:04 GMT

dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
>In article <pete.725934863@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:

>> Could it be because the population of mainland China largely consists
>> largely of "morons"? 

>Hardly plausible -- east asians tend to score, on average, a bit
>*higher* than caucasians on IQ tests.  

They certainly do, but here I use the word "moron" as defined earlier in
this thread, as someone whose 'moron memes' preclude their learning effective
or 'intelligent' methods of dealing with events outside of a restricted domain.
An active and arrogant ignorance.

>More plausibly, differences
>in development can be laid to different histories and social circumstances;

Precisely. The question is whether such a large number of ignorant folk _can_
be effectively educated.

>now that conditions are ripening for capitalism and innovation,
>their economy is exploding with growth.

The industrial revolution at the end of the nineteenth century was associated
with explosive economic growth, but its beneficiaries would find it extremely
difficult to act 'intelligently' were they to attempt to compete with a late
20th century first world economy. Economic growth does not imply enlightenment.

There is also a question of resource acquisition and management: if the
Chinese were to attempt to bring a significant proportion of their
people to the same level of expertise and enlightenment that a Western
higher education endows, where would they find the educators, the
materiel, the books? Their population is a millstone around their neck,
and even if they slow its growth it will slow theirs for generations to
come.

Other densely populated countries, India being the best example, have no 
population controls. India has upper and middle classes, but most if its
people live in abject and hopeless poverty. The question is whether it is 
better to leave these folk to drown in their own sweat, or whether by a 
process of global sterilization we should alleviate their situation, without
bloodshed, and without hardship. 

The world has more than enough human bodies. We spread like cancer; we 
reproduce without limit; we eat everything; we have no natural predator.
If we don't act soon to limit our growth we will literally eat ourselves out
of house and home. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by 
sterilizing ourselves.

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Subject: Re:  Time Travel and Causality Violation
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:36:24 GMT+12
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In article <BCR.92Dec17214540@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
>
>Along the same lines, we can also argue that any culture that doesn't develope
>a high respect for the environment will also destroy itself.  So it is not
>unreasonable to expect future cultures will also protect the past with environ-
>mental laws long before temporal tourists or temporal archaelogists become a
>problem.  Both might still exist, but they would be required not to harm the
>past.  This means they would have to try to fit in like normal people and hide
>any evidence that they are from the future.  (Probably under the penalty of very
>stiff fines or worse if they fail.)

"Being drunk in charge of a time machine is a pretty serious offence. They
tend to lock you away in some planet's ice age and tell you to evolve into
a more responsible life form." -- Douglas Adams

(Also, take a look at the movie "Timescape".)


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From: pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake)
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Subject: Re: Time Travel and Causality Violation
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:04:03 GMT
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Brent Buckner (bucknerb@bnr.ca) wrote:
: In article <1483@eouk13.eoe.co.uk> pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake) writes:
 [ theory of avoiding paradox in time travel ]
: 
: Peter describes a story I wrote a couple of years ago.
: It remains unsold.  :-( 
: 
Sorry to hear that - it sounds fascinating! :-)   [:-( for the story]

Also apologies to everybody for the over-long lines
in my original posting.

Peter.
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Global Sterilization (was Re: The Marching Morons)
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:43:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <pete.726114932@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:

>>> Rainforests.
>
>>That's simple: for all the hype, rainforests are not a vital
>>resource, and we could easily live without them (although their
>>destruction would be a shame on grounds other than their effect on our
>>material wellbeing.)

> Wrong. It is very easy to point at an ecosystem and say it is inesssential,
> but what you forget is that all of these systems are bound up together, and
> loss of any one part endangers all of the rest.

Yes, you've got the cant down pat.  But engage your critical faculties
for a moment.  Are ecosystems really so interdependent and sensitive
as that?  What *evidence* is there to support this dogma?  I see
damned little.  The loss of frogs (real or not) only illustrates the
redundancy in the ecosystems -- lots of things other than frogs eat
insects (and frogs don't control locust plagues, unless there is some
strange form of locust that lives mostly in swamps...).

The substantial environmental problems of the day are geochemical and
climatological, not ecological (CO2, CFCs, acid precipitation).

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Global Sterilization (was Re: The Marching Morons)
Organization: University of Rochester
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 13:58:39 GMT

In article <pete.725952784@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:

> There is also a question of resource acquisition and management: if the
> Chinese were to attempt to bring a significant proportion of their
> peobple to the same level of expertise and enlightenment that a Western
> higher education endows, where would they find the educators, the
> materiel, the books? Their population is a millstone around their neck,
> and even if they slow its growth it will slow theirs for generations to
> come.

They get them from their own population.  More people means more
teachers as well.  A fast growing population (and theirs is not
growing all that fast) just means a slightly larger proportion
of the population becomes teaches.


> The world has more than enough human bodies. We spread like cancer; we 
> reproduce without limit; we eat everything; we have no natural predator
> If we don't act soon to limit our growth we will literally eat ourselves out
> of house and home. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by 
> sterilizing ourselves.

Sigh.  I thought this was a scientific debate, but I see it's just
another rehash of the same old ignorant misanthropic bullshit.
We don't reproduce without limit.  We don't eat everything.  We
are not in imminent danger of running out of food.

Perhaps I should not be surprised, since this discussion was
bringing up disturbing racist/social darwinist threads.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu

	Great moments in humanitarianism:

	"How can we help a foreign country to escape overpopulation?
	 Clearly the worst thing we can do is send food . . . .
	 Atomic bombs would be kinder.  For a few moments the misery
	 would be acute, but it would soon come to an end for most of
	 the people, leaving a few survivors to suffer thereafter."

		Garrett Hardin, 1969.

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From: johns@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mike Johns)
Subject: Re: The Marching Morons (was Re: Cindy the Disco Queen)
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:20:18 GMT
Keywords: n

. . .

>Instead of blindly accepting the intelligence of High School graduates,
>you could set up the following game:
>
>You have three doors.  Behind two of the doors, there is a injection
>with the sterilizing Influenza virus.  Behind the third door, there is
>an injection with a vaccine for the Influenza virus.
>You have to pick a door at random.  Then the "examinator" opens
>one of the other doors, but is obliged to open a door with an
>Influenza virus.  Then you are permitted to switch.  Whatever door
>you choose, you get "treated" by the vaccine you choose.
>
>   :-)  Familiar problem?  Now the "morons" would have to breed
>twice as fast as the Intelligent people, just to keep up.
>
>Beware of your definition of "moron"!  It could have been me!   :-)

Yes this is a familiar problem.  It also tends to be one that most easily
victimizes intelligent people.

Mike Johns -- johns@comm.mot.com


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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
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Subject: Re: Do starships collapse when flying near c?
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:11:47 GMT
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In article <ULRNNROL9@linac.fnal.gov>, matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) wrote:
>BZZzZZzzZZZzZZZT!!!!  Thank you for playing.  The so-called "extra
>mass" is *not* mass.  However, gravity couples to the energy-momentum
>4-vector (the components of which will be large) through the the
>stress-energy tensor.

Well thanks for clearing *that* one up.
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