HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:13:19 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <19JAN199315141725@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>In article <11769@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes...
>>than I thought previously. FSU has never graduated a Seminole (unless it
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>went unheralded last fall, I doubt it). This is an embarrasment.
>Why?  I doubt FSU discriminates against minorities, probably has programs 
>which help them, I don't see that FSU should be *embarrased* about anything

It is an embarrasment because the university utilizes the name and the
image to help earn millions of dollars a year in many areas, including
but not limited to: sports marketing, sports paraphanelia marketing, and
the sale of just about any item with an FSU logo on it. The University
should, in my opinion, have a working relationship with these people IF
they want to promulgate the claim that the Seminoles of Florida approve
of said usage. If not, it is pure, hypocritical bullshit. There is one
program, recently started that I am aware of (there may be more) that
involves a summer program at FSU for various members of various tribes
around the state, all lumped into the Seminole Nation (Miccosukee,
Appalachee, etc.)

It seems to me that if they are going to claim a good relationship with
the Seminoles, and they use the name and image as part of a
multi-million dollar marketing campaign, the least they could do is put
some substance behind the rhetoric. Educational benefits might be a good
way to do this, don't you think? However, none of us really know all the
details about this, but perhaps if I can make the time, I will. For
example: how many Seminoles has the University admitted? How long were
they in school? What kind of programs exist to educate other students
about the legacy of those whose image the school bears? How do stats for
Seminoles in college in general, FSU in particular compare to national
norms? To Indian norms? To Seminole norms?

>  It is not up to the university to *graduate* people, that is up to the 
>students themselves.  Whatever happened to self initiatives and motivation?

Oh please. I know nothing about your background. However, it is a fact
that Seminoles, like most of Tribes in this country, still suffer
tremendous disadvantages that most of US here on this forum have never
had to experience. If it isn't up to the Unviersity to graduate people,
what the hell is its purpose? To generate large grants to pay grad
students to postnews??? ;-)

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu
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From: nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: To All Eagles fan
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:32:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

If u are a die-hard or a mere fan of the Eagles, the team u should be rooting 
for is the Bills.  *WE* have been rooting against the Cowpokes for the entire
season long and therefore, it is ridiculous to be rooting for them now.  It 
doesnt matter whether they r NFC East team or their win will put the Eagles
in a better position (that means they lost to the best team in NFL), we just 
HATE them. So, I hope all the Eagles fan will root against the Cowpokes this
Sunday. 

GO EAGLES in 1993...!!!
Randall stays, Reggie goes.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame
Keywords: Blue Chippers?
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:09:08 GMT

In article <C16pJy.F14@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jmelchi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (moi) writes:
>     If anyone out there has any idea how Notre Dame's recruiting class is 
>shaping up, would you please post what you know?  I hear that they again have
>one of the best classes for next year.  I am looking for the names and info on
>the players they have recruited and got commitment from.
>
>
>>As of Monday, 9 players had verbally committed to ND. They are:
>>Rick Kaczenski, TE
>>Chris Kurpeikis, OT
>>Jeff Kilburg, DT
>>Kinon Tatum, DB, Fayeteville, NC - 6'1"-197 4.59/40
>>Chris Clevenger,DE/OT, Wichita, KS, 6-7-248, Kansas Player-of-the-year
>>Brian Perry, DB, Avon Park, FL 6-1,205, versatile athelete
>>Robert Farmer, RB, Bolingbrook, IL, 6-1,210, 4.5/40 Parade All-American 
>>Marc Edwards, RB, Ohio
>>???? Turner, RB/DB, Florida, state champion in 200 meters, "sleeper"

>>Rember these are verbal committments which may change before Feb. 10. A DB
>>from Texas Tomell Hurd who was leaning to the Irish before Cooper left has
>>committed to Michigan. QB Ron Powlus from Pennsylvania visited last weekend
and was to visit Pitt during the week and Penn State on the weekend. ND is 
thought to be the frontrunner for him. Kicker Scott Bentley is also considered
leaning toward ND although there were reports on this net that he was very
>>impressed with his Florida State visit.

>>If anyone wants more current info I can give you a 900 number for the info
>>that Blue & Gold Illustrated has on recruiting. I won't just post it here
>>so as not to be accused of using this net as an advertisement. But e-mail me
>>if you want it.


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 10 recruiting in the Northeast (was Re: Wisconsin gets a QB...)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:11:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>Interesting.  I keep reading here how some are quick to blame Penn State's 
>recent setbacks with recruiting on their move to the Big 10 (with their
>playing against new midwestern rivals instead of the traditional northeastern 
>rivals) yet I keep seeing plenty of examples of northeast blue chips 
>committing to other Big 10 schools (notably Wisconsin and Michigan).  I'm
>curious, If other Big 10 schools are successful in recruiting in this area 
>still, then why isn't Penn State? 
>
   That's a good question. I do know that Wisconsin has always had a decent
   connection out east and it was strengthened when Lee Deramus decided to
   come to UW. Now that Stu Jackson is at Madison, it seems as if the B-ball
   team is also going to attract some east coast players, with Jalil Roberts
   being the first.

   --salty

 
   

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Rohan Marley  Size/Weight Retraction
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:48:11 GMT


Next time maybe I'll be smart enough to think before posting.

Rohan Marley @ 5'8" 200lb, while maybe not your prototypical
dimensions for a LB, is certainly  not worthy of being questioned.
Going through Big East rosters there are a few guys with similar
dimensions, although most seem to be running backs.  Rohan's fine,
I'm still fat.

Bob Dieckmann

BTW.  My preseason mag (Lindys) lists Marley at 5'8, 185 lb.
I guess he's spent some time in the weight room since then.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame
Reply-To: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:52:39 GMT

In article <C16pJy.F14@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jmelchi@sage.cc.purdue.edu  
(moi) writes:
>    If anyone out there has any idea how Notre Dame's recruiting class is 
>shaping up, would you please post what you know?  I hear that they again  
have
>one of the best classes for next year.  I am looking for the names and  
info on
>the players they have recruited and got commitment from.
> 
  The South Bend Tribune of 1-22-93 reported that Krug, one
of  California's top QB's, has committed verbally to ND.  He
was putting off his decision due to the visit of Ron Powlus
of Penn. which occured this past weekend.
    According to the story, Krug was ``tired of waiting
for Powlus to decide where I will be playing next fall'' (or
something like that) and decided that he would enjoy the
competition if Powlus came to ND as well.  

Sounds good for the Irish, too bad I won't be here to see
it, got to quit reading this group and get to work on my
dissertation or I will be here still.

-george
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Marley at Miami
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:34:48 GMT

In article <16B5DDA6A.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
>  
> Though I'm not exactly a 'Canes supporter, I can provide the definitive
> answer.  Here's all the poop from the '92 UM media guide.
>  
> #2 Rohan Marley
> Freshman LB...5-8...200...20
                ^^^^^^^^^^

Really?  5'8" and 200 lb.  I'm fat, at 5'7" and 172 lb.
Now I know muscle wheighs more than fat; however, 5'8" 200lb 
still doesnt sound right.

Speaking of liebackers, in Florida, Rutgers has received
2 verbal committments in the past 2 days from linebackers
in Florida.  They are:

Joey Jones   6'3"  225 lbs, Fort Pierce, FL.  (First-team All State)
Kelly Keegan 6'5"  225 lbs, Merrit Island, FL. (Played DE last 2 yrs)

I'd appreciate e-mail from anyone who can give me info on these guys.
Thanks.  E-mail to: rwd@quartet.att.com


<rest of article deleted>
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always got your head in a book?"    |  I probably should've included smileys.
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From: wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A word on the Heisman
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:43:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cfLrhwG00WBM89=15t
	<16B5B9036.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I think the Downtown Athletic Club of NYC did wait until the "official"
>end of the college football season.  NCAA rule 17.7.4, titled "End of
>Playing Season," states "A member institution's last contest (game or
>scrimmage) with outside competition in football shall not be played
>outside the traditional segment (Division III) or after the second
>Saturday or Sunday in December (Divisions I and II)...."  The rule then
>goes on to exempt various types of exhibition games, including a spring
>practice scrimmage, a certified foreign tour and a certified postseason
>bowl game.  The NCAA considers practice in preparation for a bowl game
>to be allowable "out-of-season practice" (rule 17.7.6).
> 
>If the DAC did not select the Heisman winner until ALL games (including
>out-of-season exhibition games) had been played, then they would not
>announce their winner until the spring in order to observe how well each
>of the candidates performed in his final game of the school year, the
>spring practice game.

Notice that I put the word 'official' in quotes.  Would not it make
sense to give out an award for the year after every single last game of
the year was played?  I don't see how anyone can miss the logic in that.
 Doesn't it make sense to observe how each candidate performed in his
last game?  For instance.  Gino Torretta showed that he is a good
quarterback, but he could not do a damn thing in the biggest game of his
life.  Marshall Faulk probably would have had the Heisman if he were
healthy for the 'head to head' showdown against Torretta.  

I personally would not care if the Heisman were given out during the spring.  

By the way, in reference to the bowls, are they, or are they not
sanctioned by the NCAA?  

Will
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Notre Dame - the name
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:00:37 GMT

Notre Dame == Irish?

Soemone fill me in on how this odd connection came about.  Notre Dame
is a french name.  I checked the encyclopedia, and it says they were
founded by an Order with French origins.  Where does the whole Irish
thing tie into it?  The encyclopedia did mention the have one of the
world's largest collections of Irish literature, history, etc.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: born@scepter.raleigh.ibm.com
Subject: Re: FSU's Guest list gets longer [?]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:17:03 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: born@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <1993Jan26.143755.6470@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>In article 260193080638@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>>Source: Florida Flambeau, 26 Jan 1993, Page 1
>>
>>Guest list for bowl bash gets longer (Mark Nessmith and Scott Danahy)
>>
>
>How in the heck did they spend $700,000 on 270 people?  Based on the costs 
>you listed for this year, it would seem difficult. I mean, that works out to 
>$2592 per person. Maybe they paid for travel costs to Dallas too?    Seems like
>much more than enough to get the person out there, feed him, house him, and
>give him a game ticket.  Did they stay there for a week?
>

UNC-Chapel Hill is getting nailed for how much they spent sending people
to their bowl game.  Included in the totals costs are the player's expenses,
such as Housing between the end of the semester and the bowl game, uniforms,
food, etc.  Thus, divided equally amoung people going, the amount seems excessive,
but when separated out by the person sent, it's not too bad. The number 
that is a scam is how many people get to go at the cost of the University 
who don't have anything to do with the football team.

Christopher J. Born

born@ralvm48.vnet.ibm.com
From: Kalle.Kivimaa@hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: You make the call
Date: 23 Jan 1993 09:48:25 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: robin.cs.hut.fi

In <1993Jan22.132024.21732@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>In article 10866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.214529.24596@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>>> sure winning TD, time runs out.

There ain't no such thing!!  I have seen a player FUMBLE the ball at the
5-yard line with no defenders in sight!  That's the reason why an inadvertent
whistle always stops the play right away, even if it means taking away
a 'sure' touchdown.

>>> With no hope to stop this run, one of the ND players from the sideline rushes
>>> into the field (illegally of course) and tackles down the USC receiver before
>>> he reaches the endzone. What's the call?

>couldn't be stopped) I think the TD has to be awarded.  It wouldn't be right to

Penalty for illegal interference:  15 yards from the most advantageous
spot.  The referee may any penalty he consideres equitable, including
awarding a score.  Thus, TD would be awarded.

>>> Similar situation, suppose there is one ND defender tracing the runner. While
>>> there is no hope to tackle the runner, he face-masks him and bring him down.

15 yards, I personally would eject the player and report him.

>>If there is another penalty against the defense on the ensuing play, they would
>>get another chance.

If the defense commits another foul the referee may already be in such
a state of mind that he would enforce rule 9-2-3-b:
The referee may award a score to penalize a team that repeatedly commits
fouls that can only be penalized by halving the distance to the goal.



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Marley at Miami
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:14:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143448.18344@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <16B5DDA6A.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
>>  
>> Though I'm not exactly a 'Canes supporter, I can provide the definitive
>> answer.  Here's all the poop from the '92 UM media guide.
>>  
>> #2 Rohan Marley
>> Freshman LB...5-8...200...20
>                ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Really?  5'8" and 200 lb.  I'm fat, at 5'7" and 172 lb.
>Now I know muscle wheighs more than fat; however, 5'8" 200lb 
>still doesnt sound right.

Although not a student at UM, I saw Marley when I was on my way to swim.
He's short but built like a brick wall.  I wouldn't doubt that he's 200 lbs.

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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Recruiting -- How are the Trojans doing?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:51:53 GMT

In <serdar.727659199@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au> serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:

>with signing day approaching, i was wondering if anyone
>had any information about how USC recruiting was shaping
>up...

>things will sure be interesting in the Pac next year with
>no clear favourite in sight once again. i think USC could
>end up anywhere from 1st to 6th place, realistically though
>probably between 2nd and 4th...

>serdar

>-- 
I don't have information about specific USC recruits, but the articles I saw
said USC's class was not in the top half of the Pac-10.

One article quotes Bruce Kimbrell of Blue Chip Illustrated as saying Stanford 
and Cal are "Kicking the crap out of" USC and UCLA;  The nation's top running
back isn't going to Tailback U, but to Stanford, another article said. Pat Barnes,
brother of John Barnes (you remember him from the UCLA game, right?) is going
to Cal.  His top choices were Cal and Notre Dame, and Gilbertson was able to 
convince him to go to Cal.

Another article said UCLA and Arizona State were right behind Stanford and Cal in the 
recruiting race, but that Washington could pass them all with a late rush.  There
is almost two weeks left before national letter of intent day.

Washington has been hurt a little by recent allegations of impropriety that
suggest the team may be placed on probation.  It didn't stop them from getting
Parade All-America defensive end Regan Upshaw, however.  Upshaw said he'd
probably redshirt the year Washington went on probation, anyhow.

About the only positive thing I've read about USC recently is that Charles 
White is going to be running backs coach.  Chances are, SC will have a better
clss next year when John Robinson has a full recruiting season.
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From: dwn@bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
Subject: Re: A word on the Heisman
Reply-To: dwn@bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:34:31 GMT

In article 15t@andrew.cmu.edu, wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley) writes:

[ text about 'official' games outside the regular season and the Heisman deleted ]
>
>By the way, in reference to the bowls, are they, or are they not
>sanctioned by the NCAA?  
>
>Will

They are sanctioned otherwise every team that went to a bowl game would
be on probation of some sort.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: These Threads are Boring
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:13:50 GMT

In article <1k7cgvINNm1r@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, richter@cs.utexas.edu
(Charles Richter) wrote:

> > * Animated Organs: Dick Vitale vs SDDD.
> 
> Dick Vitale?  This is the football group.  Maybe Lee Corso.

I didn't think he had any animated organs...wasn't he pronounced
brain-dead at birth?

James - is Lee the most hated sportsperson on r.s.c.f?
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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: To All Eagles fan
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:03:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:

>In article <106648@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu writes:
>>From: nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu
>>Subject: To All Eagles fan
>>Date: 26 Jan 93 18:32:44 GMT
>>If u are a die-hard or a mere fan of the Eagles, the team u should be rooting 
>>for is the Bills.  *WE* have been rooting against the Cowpokes for the entire
>>season long and therefore, it is ridiculous to be rooting for them now.  It 
>>doesnt matter whether they r NFC East team or their win will put the Eagles
>>in a better position (that means they lost to the best team in NFL), we just 
>>HATE them. So, I hope all the Eagles fan will root against the Cowpokes this
>>Sunday. 
>>

>No, the Eagles fans SHOULD be rooting for Dallas.  Simply because Dallas 
>took them out of the playoffs, and this would prove that the only team that 
>stopped them from winning the SB would have been Dallas.   :-)

>If they side with the Bills (An AFC team no less) and the bills win, then 
>its like saying the boyz AND the bills are better teams. 

>ALN (Loyalty to NYG's, NFC East, NFC)

Oh my God!  I actually agree with you Adriene!  Who would have thought
this would happen.  An Eagles fan and a Giants fan rooting for Dallas?
I happen to like Dallas, what can I tell you, strange bird!

Now if Satish is rooting for Dallas, I think I will have a coronary!

Can we get Joe Dakes in on this?  Are you rooting for Dallas?



                         Ken, the Eagles man!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ddavidson@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (Dennis Davidson)
Subject: Tennessee recruiting
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:13:26 GMT

Could someone post how Tennessee is doing in the recruiting side this year?  
thank you in advance