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From: msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu)
Subject: Moldova/Romania news from RFE/RL, 11/19/92
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:56:33 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

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RFE/RL Daily Report              No. 223, November 19, 1992

ROMANIAN PARLIAMENT DEBATES CABINET. Parliament debated on 18
November the make-up and program of the proposed cabinet of prime
minister-designate Nicolae Vacaroiu. Opposition deputies
criticized the presence in the new cabinet of several ministers
who had served under Nicolae Ceausescu, including Dumitru Popescu,
a former deputy electric power minister and Iulian Mincu, the
nominee for health minister, who was involved in Ceausescus
so-called scientific nourishment program. The nomination of
another controversial figure, Vasile Mois, as minister for
parliamentary relations was invalidated by a parliamentary
commission, after which he withdrew his candidacy. The opposition
also criticized Vacaroius governing program for proposing a
slowdown in market-economy reforms. Vacaroiu defended his program
against such accusations. More debates are expected today. (Dan
Ionescu, RFE/RL Inc.)

ROMANIA, EC INITIAL ASSOCIATION ACCORD. On 17 November Romania and
the European Community initialed an association agreement
providing for closer trade, economic, and political ties. Western
agencies reported that the accord had been initialed in Brussels
by Romanias State Secretary for Trade and Tourism, Napoleon Pop,
and EC external relations official Daniel Guggenbuhl. Differences
between Romania and the EC on agriculture and an interim trade
pact were resolved earlier this month. Romania is the fourth
former Warsaw Pact member to sign an association accord with the
EC, after Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary. The accord must be
ratified by the Romanian and EC parliaments. Its trade provisions,
however, will be in force before ratification. (Dan Ionescu,
RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Vacaroiu and the economy
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:02:24 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
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Reposted from clari:


	BUCHAREST, Romania (UPI) -- Parliament voted Thursday to approve a new
government under Prime Minister Nicolae Vacaroiu that was likely to slow
down economic reforms.
	A combined session of the lower house and the Senate voted 260 to 203
to approve the 22-member Cabinet.
	Vacaroiu's Cabinet was presented as a mix of apolitical technocrats
and supporters of the left-wing Democratic Front for National Salvation,
the party led by President Ion Iliescu that won most parliamentary seats
in the Sept. 27 election.
	Parliamentary commissions have been working for several days to
approve the new Cabinet, which was presented Friday.
	Under pressure from the parliament, only one member of the original
lineup was changed. But the opposition parties, grouped around the
right-wing Democratic Convention, lambasted many of Vacaroiu's
ministers, especially those close to Iliescu, for their links to the
former Communist establishment.
	The new prime minister was combative as well, lacing his brief
preview of government policy with harsh attacks on Petre Roman,
Romania's first post-Communist prime minister.
	``So far, we have dealt with monstrous fiscal evasion covered up by
the authorities,'' Vacaroiu said. ``If you want to continue such a
practice, I can easily step down and present the perfect person for
this.
	``I can even tell you who he is, in case he wants to go on destroying
the economy,'' Vacaroiu said in an obvious reference to Roman.
	``I would give anything to go back and stop the liberalization of
prices without having a market,'' Vacaroiu said. ``The state should not
withdraw from the market. It is not the market itself which regulates
economic principles.''
	The new prime minister was a largely unknown Finance Ministry
official until Nov. 4 when, after six weeks of negotiations, Iliescu
picked him to head the new government.
	During his introductory speech to parliament on Friday, Vacaroiu
presented a contradictory policy package that favors faster
privatization on the one hand, but also contains greater safeguards for
lower income groups whose wages have not kept up with rising prices.
	But since he owes his allegiance to Iliescu, several commentators
have suggested Vacaroiu would be likely to come under pressure to slow
down economic reforms.
	During his speech Thursday, Vacaroiu renewed his pledge to pursue a
program that includes state intervention in the economy and the selling
of shares to workers instead of attracting foreign investors.
	``The state should not withdraw from the market,'' Vacaroiu said. 
``It is not the market itself which regulates economic principles.
	``We cannot go on making experiments on this country. Only after
making long analyses can we do something,'' he said. ``We just cannot
privatize everything in one or two months simply by issuing a decree and
saying we did it.''


Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: rjh2@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Radu Hambasan)
Subject: Romanians and capitalism
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:10:37 GMT

Hello all. Less than a year ago I returned to Romania for several weeks.
I felt very good there even though I was lacking some of the material
comforts I'm used to (such as hot water).
  Walking around Bucuresti and Buzau it seemed to me that Romanians were
catching on to the "idea" of capitalism very well, within the limits
imposed on them by the laws, which are of course still very restrictive.
There were small shops everywhere, selling anything the average Romanian
could afford to buy (mostly Turkish products I think). People had set up
shop in part of their houses, importing shoes, candy, soap, perfume, whatever.
What amazed me was that everyone seemed to be getting into it. I suppose
entrepreneurship has been a long-stifled dream for many Romanians. Of course,
the main incentive is economic. If Romanians seem to be "always looking for
business", it's because that supplemental income is pretty hard to live
without these days. Anyway, these shops did not have fancy displays or shelves
overloaded with products, but they are a beginning, and a grassroots one at
that. My cousin had installed a few rented video poker machines in some local
bars and was already doubling an engineer's salary. The inventiveness all
around gave me hope, though what the government will do is a different matter.

Also, there was a feeling of innocence, of goodness, about these new-found
businessmen (this includes taxi drivers, bar owners, etc.) that is a pleasant
surprise for a Westerner used to the lying, the cheating, the marketing hype
(i.e. BS) that pervades our long-established capitalism and is summarized by
the motto, "anything for a buck," the true motto of most businesses. These
Romanian start-up businesses have not yet been stripped of their ethics by
the hunger for profit.. they haven't yet been dehumanized.

If I sound too critical of the West.. well, I may have exaggerated a bit to
make a point. But there's a "homely" feeling about some aspects of Romanian
life that is missing from places like New York. And, as a rather unfair bonus
to Westerners visiting Romania, how can you resist eating out when a slice
of pizza is 15 cents and dinner for two is $4.00? (or was).

Skiing was a failure at Sinaia (there was no snow at Christmas),
dar Castelul Pelesi e deschis la public, and it's beautiful inside!
From: andrei@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Andrei Bulucea)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: email address database
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:12:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andrei@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Andrei Bulucea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Hi netters !


I am building a database with all the romanian and/or romanin related
email 
addresses. PLease reply via email if you know any other addresses. This 
database WILL not be used for comercial purposes. I just want to test the
power of the network... You can always request a copy by sending an email
to andrewb@europe.ebay.sun.com. I will be happy to send you a copy.
Please contribiute, you might need this later. 


P.S. This database will not generate any postings or emails. 
Broadcasting will be used only for emergency cases.


Regards, 
Andrei Bulucea

Technical Support
Sun Microsystems, CA
andrewb@europe.ebay.sun.com
From: mariusf@geriatrix.cs.uoregon.edu (Marius Farkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Romanian humor
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:50:18 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Nov23.093458.18162@kth.se> mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.205230.7960@cs.uoregon.edu>, mariusf@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Marius Farkas) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov18.163649.8493@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian) writes:
>|> >[.....] 
>|> >P.S.:This is not prejudice.I lived there.

>|> I hope that my understanding of your PS is correct, i.e. you only have 
>|> lived in Romania for a while and are not of Romanian descent...                               ****************************
>|> [...]

>Interesting... I wonder how Marius Farkas deduces (from the PS) that Livian is
>*not of Romanian descent*. And for that matter, who cares about someone's
>descent? 
> [...]
>Mihai Dorobantu
>

My oh mine!  Only for the record, I will digress on this...  As other people 
recognized it, (I got approving mail in confirmation) I WILLINGLY  made the 
						        ^^^^^^^^^
assumption that Livian is not of Romanian descent!  That is because I believe 
that Romanians, (I mean those who NOT only used to live in Romania!) are NOT 
				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
describing  their nationality as the worst possible on earth!  Romania's 
immage in the international community is bleak enough.  Nobody can demand of 
the few of us fortunate enough to live in better places to do something about 
improving that immage...  But at least we shouldn't worsten it with 
hypocritical accusations!

Cheer up!
Marius Farkas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: kai@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Kai Yang)
Subject: Re: Romanian humor
Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:21:05 GMT

I lived in Romania for a while. It seems to me that Romanians enjoy
jokes (banc) and humors more than people from most other countries. It
is my impression that Romanians live quite happily even though they
are not materially rich. I wonder whether such culture has negative
effects on the working ethics of Romanian people. I mean, if people
spend too much time and energy in talking and enjoying, can they work
hard and seriously?
From: hancu@crim.ca (Marius Hancu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Talented young man seeks PhD in PHYSICS
Summary: Young man needs advisor & financial aid for PhD
Keywords: romanian, physics
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: clouso.hancu.722381544
Organization: CRIM


Hi, everyone:

I have a friend, an extremely talented young man, interested at pursuing a
PhD in physics at one of the top universities in Europe or North
America.

I am placing this ad for him, as he is too well-behaved to do it himself.

His name is GEORGE-MIHAI DOBRE. Presently, he is in the last year of
his BSc in physics at U of Kent at Canteburry in UK.

He is in the top 5% of the class, and has had many distinctions. Very
nice and well-educated,  he is a very reliable person and a dedicated
student.

I would very much appreciate if any of you could help in him finding a
very good advisor/prof he should approach for a challenging research work
and of course for financial support. He is not choosy about the field.
Please provide e-mail addresses for speed.

His e-mail address is 

mm@ukc.ac.uk

(he is using somebody's else's account, thus please indicate in the
subject: For G. Dobre).


PLEASE RESPOND TO HIM DIRECTLY AT THE ABOVE ADDRESS, NOT TO ME.

====
Thank you for your time

Marius
-- 
Marius Hancu, Parallel Architectures Group 
Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal (CRIM)
3744, Jean-Brillant, Bureau 500, Montreal, Quebec H3T 1P1, Canada 
phone: (514) 340-5907, fax: 514-340-5777, email: hancu@crim.ca
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 10:57:20 CET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Soccer result
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

aweissma@nyx.cs.du.edu (adrian weissman) writes:
>
>A disappointing result for Romanian soccer fans: on Saturday in Bucharest
>Romania 1 - CzechoSlovakia 1 in a WC94 qualifier.
>Ilie Dumitrescu scored in the 48th minute and the guests levelled in the
>80th minute from the spot.
>THe next qualifying game will be in Cyprus in two weeks.
>The romanian squad was: Stelea Dan Petrescu Belodedici Mihali Dorinel
>Munteanu  Sabau Lupescu Hagi Ilie Dumitrescu  Lacatus Hanganu (Vladoiu)

In addition, Lupescu was substituted by Timofte in the 79th minute.
The result was rather flattering for the CSFR, Romania dominated play
but wasted the (few) opportunities they created. I posted a short match
summary on rec.sport.soccer, in case you're interested.

>Gh. Popescu ,  Balint and Raducioiu are injured

Cheers,
Karel
--
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Quiz
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:07:42 GMT


> - Name the president of Egypt
> - Name the president of Israel

But most could probably identify the -prime minister- of Israel,
a more appropriate comparison.

> - Name the 3 major prophets

First I've heard of this.  Which of the non-12-minor-prophets
are not "major"?  Or should this be -any- 3 (major) prophets?
-- 
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schwartz@nynexst.com		NYNEX Science and Technology Center
PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX		500 Westchester Avenue
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: leel@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Lee Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth O-U - When?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:03:07 GMT

Elie Rosenfeld writes:
  2) Can we eat them currently, before the ones marked with an O-U appear?  
     I.e. are they already considered O-U supervised even without the markings?

Eliot Shimoff replies:
  I am pleased to inform you that, according to the Baltimore Vaad
  haKashrut, all Baby Ruth bars are now kosher, even though the
  labels do not yet bear the OU.  Apparently old labels are still
  being used, but all the pre-OU stock "in the distribution pipeline"
  has been used up.
  So GO FOR IT!

If baby ruth bars were a baked good with a short shelf life then we
could be sure that the ones we see in stores and vending machines are
of the new production with old labels.

I However, would be concerned, since Baby Ruth bars are closer to
the "twinkies" end of the shelf-life spectrum.  And Hashem only who knows 
how long a candy bar has been sitting on the shelf of some stores.

Perhaps there is a manufacturing date code stamped on the labels
which we could check against the actual date certification began?
__
Lev Lawrence  leel@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Vatican Recognition of Israel - Who Needs It?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:23:50 GMT

In article <20NOV199213390078@vms.huji.ac.il> rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
>This is an honest appeal for help.  Could someone explain to
>me the reasons for the heat of Israel pursuit of Vatican 
>recognition?  
>
Bravo, Bob.  I've long wondered the same thing.  And if I may 
add a thought, I'm even more puzzled by the steady procession of
American "leaders" who grovel their way toward the Vatican
every year.  A good thing I'm not a cynic.

>
>__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
>Jerusalem

Norman Miller
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Movie "Exodus"
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:25:36 GMT

In <1992Nov16.175740.7967@col.hp.com> danl@col.hp.com (Daniel Lockhart) writes:

>Now days I don't see much value being placed upon one's word, whether
>in be a broken marriage vow or one to defend one's country.

Judiasm doesn't have marriage vows.  Nowhere in the marriage ceremony
do either of the parties promise to confine their affections to their
spouse.  What we do have is prohibitions that arise from the fact of
the marriage.

But whether the reason for fidelity is a vow or the fact of the
marriage, desire for someone who is not one's spouse can hardly be
compared to an enemy soldier placing a gun to one's head.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org 			    Jerusalem
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: nothing to do with Conversion Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:23:09 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <2835@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>The statement in my signature is not my motto.  Gideon often ends
>postings with "Shalom" which certainly is not his.
>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/
> |warren@
>/ nysernet.org                             Jerusalem


a) if it is not your motto, where does it come from?  the army?

b) what does it mean?
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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Who built the pyramids
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:39:57 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)

In article <1992Nov17.151517.24029@digi.lonestar.org>, gpalo@digi (Gerry Palo) writes:
>I'm not quite ready to give up on this forum yet.  Please explain
>why this subject is apropos to talk.origins.

That's the agreed upon newsgroup for V-discussions.  You'll find
V-friends and V-enemies more than happy to discuss V in detail there.

>I suppose you are in such a position of authority that you can simply
>say, "You lose. go to talk.origins", and I am supposed to bow to
>your sagacity and slink away.

No.  You're more than welcome to discuss the matter in talk.origins.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:43:13 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Nov16.070100.23237@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.142634.28904@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>nasser@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hima Vatti) writes:
>
>
>I'll leave out the disgusting part. Does anyone else thik that this may be one
>of the best recent reasons  for going to a moderated group??
>
>

I'm truly sorry if the posting offended you, I have to admit I wasn't
thrilled by it myself. There are "alt" newsgroups for this sort of
thing. But, no, I don't agree that this is a particularly good
reason to move to a moderated group--it's pretty easy to hit the
"next article" key. 

Jack F. Love
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:55:28 GMT

Daniel Faigin wrote:
 
>Religion (and that's what Judaism is, at the heart of it) is a matter of
>belief. We have our beliefs as to the source of the Torah, of the Writings, of
>the Prophets, of the Talmud, of the Mishnah, of the... you get the idea. We
>can't change beliefs, we can't argue with them. We can recognize that they
>differ, and explore the differences (without saying one is right or wrong).
 
Although Judaism certainly does have a set of beliefs, it also repre-
sents a set of practices and most Jews agree that the practices are
what's most important.  This is in accordance with the Talmudic dictum
of G-d saying, "Better that they should forsake Me than to forsake My
mitzvot."  Of course, we disagree over the practices as well as the
beliefs, but I think most Jews agree that the emphasis on practice is a
characteristic of Judaism which tends to differentiate it from Christi-
anity.
 
>Orthodox Jews have certain beliefs that differ from their liberal bretheran;
>these belief differences lead to schisms that some believe to be irreparable.
>However, by taking these schisms as absolutes, we prevent any resolution. We
>must respect the fact that it can never hurt to treat a person who claims to
>be Jewish as Jewish (regardless of the conversion), it can never hurt to
>calmly teach the differences. If the person is not "adequately Jewish" in the
>eyes of one movement, then providing education will alert the person to the
>fact, and they will choose -- without any prodding from you -- to do what is
>right if they want to be associated with that movement. If not, they will
>serve God in whatever way they can.
 
Differences of belief are not what lead to schisms in Judaism; it is
differences in practice which do.  In the present context, I would refer
you to the late Rabbi Jakob Petuchowski who taught for over thirty years
at the HUC-JIR.  Shortly after the patrilineal descent resolution was
approved by the CCAR, he wrote, angrily, that the result would be a
schism, simply because Reform Jews would in time become umarriageable
with other Jews.

With this in mind, I must take exception to the claim that it can never
hurt to treat a person as being Jewish so long as they claim to be.  The
problems people can create for their children this way ought to give
some pause, I should think, even if they are unconcerned by the effects
of their actions on the Jewish people as a whole.  I do believe it is
the responsibility of rabbis who supervise conversions to be sure the
people involved are educated and understand their status within the
entire Jewish community.
 



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish