HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:27:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.235108.4996@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
|> >pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes (to Eric P.):
|> >>
|> >>I don't think that you understand how what you say come across.  Your tipoff
|> >>could be that no one has rushed to your aid :*).
|> 
|> 	He's doing an OK job on his own and probably knows more about
|> 	the topic than most.  Besides, popularity doesn't make "right,"
|> 	does it.

Its OK with me if you're willing to allow him to speak for you.  And no,
popularity does not make right.  But in a highly populated area like
this one, he's likely to garner some degree of support for a reasonable
argument.  Usually a better show of support than "He's doing an OK job 
on his own" too.

|> 
|> >>My intent was to address the silliness of your "Love it or leave it"
|> >>remark.  No doubt it was a purely emotional response.  I know you're
|> >>not capable of personal attack.  Except when speaking of Japanese
|> >>people.  But its OK ... unpopular views and insensitive racially
|> >>oriented remarks are not a crime here. 
|>   ^^^^^^^  try "Asian"  :^)
|> 
|> 	Oh, you don't like something the Japanese do so you must
|> 	be racist....  So if I can't stand Jesse Jackson I'm
|> 	racist too.  How nice for you to put everyone in your
|> 	little categorical boxes so you don't have to think any more: 
|> 	"I don't want to listen to him, he's a racist."

I think that calling Jesse Jackson by a racial slur is racist.  I already
know that not liking Bruce Hershenson doesn't mean I hate white people.
<sheesh>

Your presumption that people who disagree with your ideas and your
presentation of said ideas "don't have to think" sounds like a 
high-school age rationalization "They just don't understand me".

What rebels you are!


|> 
|> Eric:
|> >Well, I don't really endorse anyone.  But I can't stand that jerk
|> >that cheated on his wife for twelve years, dodged the draft, and
|> >smoked pot and NOW wants to be PRESIDENT of this land. 
|> 
|> 	Well the people who vote for him still believe he's a
|> 	guy _they_ can look UP to.   (heavy on the sarcasm)

And who do you look up to?

-- 
Paul C. David 
Applications Consulting, Silicon Graphics Inc. 
pcd@esd.sgi.com 415 / 390-2144
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:51:16 GMT

>>
>>I think the point being made is that the Japanese aren't practicing 
>>Free Trade.  The claim is that they are producing "less efficient"
>>workers since they are selling in a protected market.
>
>Perhaps.  But does that mean "protected from foriegn trade" or just
>protected, period?  I.e., from each other, meaning that foriegn companies
>do not face as much competion, foriegn OR DOMESTIC as American companies
>do.
>
>And why do you immediately assume they're talking about JAPANESE companies?
>Little obsessed with that particular coutry, are we?  The article compared
>U.S. productivity to that of a number of different countries, and if I'm
>not mistaken, the Japanese came in a strong second.

No, THIRD. They say the US was 11% better than Germany and 23% better than Japan,
right?  That makes Japan THIRD (out of how many, I don't know)

>
>In any case, you certainly DECREASE competition when you implore people to
>buy American products simply because they're American.

Yes, true. But youre battering our industries (unnecissarily).

>
>Thanks, Eric - there goes one of our advantages...
>

I don't agree.



Newsgroups: ba.general
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Mover recommendations?  Los Altos-->Mountain View
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:21:55 GMT


A friend has asked me to come up with a *respectable* moving company which
can do a small-to-middling "pack and move" on a Saturday.  Recommendations
please?  Thanks!

Kathleen
casey@well.sf.ca.us
Xref: sparky ba.general:4331 misc.kids:25655 misc.legal:18379
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Oct8.194203.19168@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) 
writes:
> How are you supposed to teach a ten-year old that an unfenced abandoned
> railroad turntable, which probably looks a lot like equipment at
> a playground, is dangerous and can hurt him badly, when you don't
> even know there is one in your neighborhood?

What are you doing letting your ten-year-old kid run around an abandoned 
railroad turntable unattended?  A kid shouldn't be permitted to run around 
unattended until he can realize the dangers.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:18:08 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Followup-To: misc.kids,misc.legal
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Oct12.165555.25478@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) 
writes:
> In article <8bBb02A3258o01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 
> (Terry Carroll) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct9.172944.5291@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) 
> >writes:
> >> As for 10-year-olds running around unattended, it seems
> >> fairly common to me. 
> >
> >If your parents let you run around unaccompanied in a neighborhood with 
> >unknown dangers at an age when you were incapable of comprehending them, 
it 
> >sounds like they were lax in their parental duties.
> 
> The courts don't think so.

No, they don't.  Beside my point.  We were discussing views on what the law 
_should_ be, not what it is.  I don't think anyone is seriously asserting 
otherwise.

(I'm going to drop ba.general from this, since it's not general, it's 
specific to some newsgroups)

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: mysti@sybase.com (Mysti)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: First auto insurance of my life and i am getting screwed. (help!!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.093354.6436@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <1b2hcuINN3g7@gorn.hal.com> savel@hal.COM (Bharat Baliga-Savel) writes:
>>don't know why, but i think $1700 per year for a 2 yr. old car is a bit too
>
>
>>is there something that i should know/ask the agent before i get ripped off? 

Remember to ask for these discounts:

	over 25 (unless you aren't) (Or did they outlaw this one?)
	nonsmoker
	good student

"Reasons" you might be paying a lot:

	Your car is allegedly more prone to theft (if you are getting
		comprehensive)
	You live in an area that allegedly has a lot of accidents (sometimes
		the difference of just a few blocks can mean hundreds of $$)

	Your car is allegedly more likelty to be in an accident

If any of your relatives have lots of insurance (multiple cars or a car and
	home insurance from the same agent) you might try asking if they
	will discount you.  I've never done this myself.

For reference, my minimum-allowed-by-law insurance coverage on an 82 Honda
is costing me ~600 a year, from AAA.
		
--
Friends don't let friends vote Republican
From: brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: That new Ford plant in Richmond
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:39:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bardlover

>What do they manufacture at that new Ford plant in Richmond?
>(It's just east of the Chevron refinery and north of 580.)

Unless they've put up a new building recently, the one I remember
being in that area has been there for more than 10 years.
I believe that I heard it was some kind of regional training center.

Naturally, as always, I might be wrong.

-brad albom
Software Engineering Solutions, Inc (Not related to Sun Micro)
email : brada@eng.sun.com - (In On Random Weekdays)
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.052718.21266@leland.Stanford.EDU> marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke) writes:
>In article <lefty-151092152826@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>>I am appalled that a fine institution of learning such as Stanford has
>>apparently fallen to a state where I should have to advise its inmates of
>>such completely straightforward facts of life as these.
>
>PLEASE oh please don't take somebody's opinion as the opinion of the
>institution s/he happens to work for or study at. Other people at the
>same institution may very well have different opinions or may not be
>in the state you claim them to be.
>

Ditto.  And please respect the fact that other people have different
opinions.  That doesn't make them wrong, and doesn't give others the
right (not you marcus) to "name call" and "character bash". Geez,
sounds like a presidential debate on here sometimes!



Newsgroups: ba.general
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: CompUSA was Fry's -- Yet Another Bad Experience
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:55:05 GMT

In article <1bhsaeINNerh@fido.asd.sgi.com> kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones) writes:
>eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>
>>I'm not so certain about going to CompUSA.  Just went there.
>>Their stocks seem much smaller than Fry's.  This is not
>>general electronics, but mostly computers, but I did find a battery
>>which Fry's didn't have.
>
>On principle, I refuse to shop at CompUSA...
 
I'm typing this on a CompuDyne (CompUSA's house brand) 386SXL/25 Laptop.
I bought it from CompuDyne Direct, the mail-order version of CompUSA.
I'd mention:
 
  1. CompuDyne's service is abysmal. I won't go into detail, but
     they're very hard to work with.
  2. They advertised availability of a nickel-hydride battery pack...
     ...and didn't produce.
  3. When I went to buy the internal fax S/R modem, I was told
     "oh, those were discontinued." After two months on the market?
 
One of the reasons I bought this box was in order to be able to get
accessories and service and CompUSA, locally.
 
I've not been impressed with them (CompUSA/CompuDyne) so far. The
machine, on the other hand, is a gem.
 
Greg
Xref: sparky ba.general:4296 misc.kids:25538 misc.legal:18318
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:34:26 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct7.214615.6218@oracle.us.oracle.com> dcriswel@oracle.uucp (David Criswell) writes:
>Well, the other week, one neighbor's unleashed dog picked up
>another neighbor's unsupervised kid and dropped him in yet
>a third neighbor's uncovered pool. Does the parent get to sue 
>both of them?
>
   It depends.  

   Was the kid on fire at the time or not?

>Or has this just gotten silly?

   To put it mildly......
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisances (Was: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:29:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.024118.18863@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

[that he dosen't know when A.N. came into being, reasonable, people have
 opinions about subjects they don't know a great deal about. not a crime,
 but potentially tedious if remedial lessons stretch on and on and ....]

>Attractive nuisance is at least 100 years old.
>
>--Tim Smith

Correct, both here and in the UK, which is where the "attractive" seems to
have come from... baited traps with aromatic meats for the delight of
plaintiff's dogs. I mentioned the turntable cases because they are the
usual instance when discussing the topic, other than suburban pools.

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: cherie@gracie.nas.nasa.gov (Cherie N. Lawrence)
Subject: Body work?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:54:59 GMT
Distribution: ba


Can anyone offer any recommendations for body shops in the Palo Alto/Mountain
View/Sunnyvale area?  Fairly simple stuff...  My car is a Geo Metro, if that
makes a difference.

Thx.
-- 
					cherie@nas.nasa.gov
    Notice
        Due to budgetary constraints the light at
        the end of the tunnel is being turned off.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: First auto insurance of my life and i am getting screwed. (help!!)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:33:54 GMT

In article <1b2hcuINN3g7@gorn.hal.com> savel@hal.COM (Bharat Baliga-Savel) writes:
>don't know why, but i think $1700 per year for a 2 yr. old car is a bit too

The shorter the driving record, the higher the rates.  If you do not have a
liability coverage *now*, the rates are higher yet.

>called AAA.

Their insurance rates are higher than average.

>is there something that i should know/ask the agent before i get ripped off? 

You should call other insurers (State Farm, Farmers, etc.) and brokers
and ask for quotes.  Quotes are free and can be obtained over the phone.
You can ask about various mixes and levels of coverage.  Choose the cheapest
that's acceptably comprehensive.

Once you have had a liability coverage for a few months, you can buy
insurace with another company for less.  At least this used to be the way
things worked before Prop. 103.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: jerryb@sybase.com (Jerold Brenner)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Bedroom Furniture for Sale
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:40:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

----------------------------
Bedroom Furniture for Sale:
----------------------------

Triple Dresser - Dark wood. Good condition. $75 or best offer.

Large Mirror   - Dark wood frame. Good condition. $20 or best offer.

2 End tables/Storage Units - Unfinished. $40/pair or best offer.


Must go this week!



----------------------------
Jerry Brenner

Voice:  (510) 658-6877

E-mail: jerryb@sybase.com
From: cmhuang@huang.Corp.Sun.COM (Chia-ming Huang)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: BMW for Sale
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:43:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cmhuang@huang.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: huang.corp.sun.com

Posting for a friend





*************************************************
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leather seats, excellent condition              *
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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:42:37 GMT

In article 8101@public.BTR.COM, rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com) writes:
>
>If a child drowns in a pond or a pool or a cave or a mineshaft... why is
>to *so important* to assign blame?  Yes it's tragic, yes it's sad. *Yes*
>we should do what we can to avoid it.  However, I personally, believe that
>our society has far overstepped the bounds of denying personal responsibility.

On the contrary, society is saying that a person who maintains a hazzard has
the personal responsibility for the consequences of maintaining such a hazzard.
It seems your argument is to deny that the owner has any responsibility by saying
that there are other things which are hazzardous.

>
>If you have a pool, and my child has to surmount *some* obstacles to get
>to it, and thereby drowns, I would be hard put to assign blame to you.

Probably true, if the obstacles are reasonable to keep a child out.

>
>If I'm not comfortable with the amount of difficulty required to reach
>your pool, be damn sure I'll talk to you about it.. and pay part or all
>of the amount required to bring the security system up to *my* standards.

That is a kind offer.  But what if the owner does not want to put a lock on
the gate, or replace the missing fence boards, or whatever?  Who has the
obligation to make the hazzard less hazzardous? You or the owner?

>
>I talk to my neighbors all the time?  Don't you?  Don't you work *together*
>to make the neighborhood a safe, comfortable place?  Why not??

Again, this is a great idea.  But, if you have been reading this thread, you
will find that there are a number of people who believe that their rights to 
their property is absolute and that any suggestion that they be curtailed is
total abomination. When push comes to shove, the attractive nuisance laws 
say that the property owner is responsible for the property.


---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: rao@uts.amdahl.com (Madhavan Rangarao)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: blue angels ....
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:33:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hi guys,

What is the best way to go to Moffet field without getting into the 
nasty traffic jam?  Is it a good idea to walk from Mathilda ave along
101 (a parallel street runs along the side of 101) and stop some where in
the middle of Mathilda & Moffet field exits?.

Is there a entrance from Mathilda ave?

Appreciate quick replys to    rao@uts.amdahl.com

Rao ...

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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:36:22 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1aqlpnINN56l@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>=>>>Exactly to whom is it the worth the cost of a fence to put the
>=>>>fence around Mr. Sohl's swimming pool?  Let that person speak up.
>=
>=   My original posting meant that I would feel morally obligated to
>=   protect the community of children from my attractive nuisance if
>=   it were my pool--whether or NOT it also happens to be the law.  
>=
>=   Does THAT answer your stupid question?
>
>No.  I don't think the question is hard to understand, so I conclude
>that you're evading it.

Never attribute to evasion that which is adequately... you know.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:46:53 GMT
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California

In article <1992Oct11.154346.19791@eagercon.com> eager@eagercon.com writes:
>
>Gee, Eric, for a Stanford student you sure are thick.  You come up with some 
>unreasonable claim, which no one else has ever heard, and when someone 
			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>asks for any kind of substantiation, you point to the library.
>
>Here is a clue:  if you make up facts, you are better off to ignore people 
>asking for some substantiation.  Or mayby say that you had it yesterday, 
>but that your dog ate it.  

	Guess you just ignored MY posting which said I saw the 
	same article.  And what, pray tell, is so _unreasonable_
	about US airlines having a better safety record?  

	Get a CLUE yourself.  Quit calling people liars.

	Robin King
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: pal@xanadu.wpd.sgi.com (Anil Pal)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Reply-To: pal@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:51:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.220610.13836@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.211632.1832@odin.corp.sgi.com> pal@wpd.sgi.com writes:
|> >
|> >Yes, so what should we in the US do?  Practice "Free Trade" and have
|> >efficient industries as a result, or practice protectionism ("buy
|> >American") and have inefficient industries?
|> >
|> Not Exactly. I am Pro-Free Trade. But only if BOTH/ALL sides
|> do the same.  Perhaps some pressure from the US would help 
|> bring us to a level playing field.  Others think there are
|> different ways to deal with it. Yet others think there isn't
|> a problem.

Not exactly what?  Regardless of "level playing fields" (favourite
protectionist catch-phrase), and whether or not Japan or the EEC
practice free trade, we have two choices -

	1.  Expose our industries to competition, and hence have them become
	    efficient

	2.  Shelter our industries from competition, and have them grow
	    inefficient.

We can scream until we are blue in the face for Japan, the EEC, or
other countries to change the way they do business, but in the ultimate
analysis it is unrealistic to expect all other countries to run their
economy the way we think is best (either for us or for them).  Given
that, we have to accept reality and make decisions based on it.

Of course, one can always try to repeal the law of gravity, legislate
the value of pi to make mathematics simpler, or force the French to
drink Californian "champagne", but in the end acceptance of reality is
usually the more productive course.

Given that, and the world as it is, we are faced with the choice
outlined above - free imports and efficient industries, or import
restrictions and inefficient industries.  So, which would you rather
have?  There are no other choices!

-- 
Anil A. Pal
pal@sgi.com	(415)-390-5279
Newsgroups: ba.general