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From: pbh@earl.cam.bellcore.com (Operator Paul B. Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Jersey Sectionals Results and a Question
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:47:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.disc
Organization: /bdfs/users/pbh/.organization

On Saturday, at Turkey Swamp, Jersey held it's Sectionals.  It was a
marithon tournament of five games to 13 with no halfs and 1 1/2 hour
caps.  Teams in attendance where

NPZ (No Passing Zone) (a.k.a. Jersey's Kids) (North Jersey)
Man O' War (New Brunswick area team)
Cumberland Blues (South Jersey)
Rugters
Princeton
Drew

Final results where

NPZ 		5-0*
Princeton	3-2*
Man 0' War	3-2
Rutgers		3-2
Cumberland	2-3
Drew		0-5

*Bids to Regionals

The tournament was run professionally, and went very smoothly.
Surprise upsets were Princeton beating Man O' War 13-11 and Cumberland
beating Rutgers (holding off a fierce comeback by Rutgers).

But, wait the tournament is not without contraversy.  One of the teams
had a player which is also on the roster (sectional) for a Masters
team.  I don't know the rules the UPA has as far as this goes, but
someone tried to explain to me that since this is the only Master's
team in the region (Mid-Atlantic) they didn't really have a sectional.
The Master's team did compete in the normal Open sectionals at Oaks
(Penns Sectionals) but it was just for practice and had no effect on
the outcome of the tournament.

What are the rules for participation in both Open and Masters. 
Currently he can attend Regionals for the Open Team and Nationals for
the Masters.  His presence had a major impact on the Open Team
making Regionals.

-Paul Hart
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: masters wild cards
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:56:20 GMT

In <718928357.F00002@blkcat.UUCP> Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) writes:

>NFS>Interesting about the wild card berth.  Out of curiosity,
>NFS>do you have an idea how many masters teams are competing
>NFS>per region?

>No, but I had heard that Central was planning on having SEVEN!  The West
>four or five.

I doubt all seven teams will actually show up at regionals.  I believe teams
were discussed in Wisconsin, Michigan, Chicago, Indiana, Ohio, Kansas, and
(somewhere else?  Maybe two in Wisconsin).

-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
 "A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other,
  if they don't destroy their knees first, or start sleeping with 
  each other's girlfriends." - Rigler, about Indiana Ultimate
From: bettingerka@alpha.hendrix.edu
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Subject: Ultimate Questions.

I am a student attending Hendrix college in Conway, Arkansas (about 30 
min. NW of Little Rock, and I want to know if there are any ultimate 
leagues or games here or in Little Rock.  I played in Shreveport, Louisiana
 for the Bayou Degradables for about a year and am suffering from withdrawl
having not played in a month. Rules Q: This Happened to me once- if i , 
on the offense receive a pass by means of standing out of bounds and jumping 
up catching the disc in mid-air and landing inbounds is it a legal catch?
		Thanks so much and please help me.
		keith.
	Bettingerka@alpha.hendrix.edu
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Subject: Mighty Tired at Sectionals

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Subject: Mighty Tired at Sectionals

Regarding NE Sectionals:

Some may not like Mighty Tired's style (i.e., lots of drinking and doobies), 
but they played great and won their pool.  Furthermore, they didn't make one 
bad call in our game against them.  

Pablo Martinez
Boston Kremes
From: bw361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter M. Liiva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Ultimate in Pleasanton or Bay Area, CA?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:01:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'm going to be in Pleasanton, CA from Oct 14 thru
Oct 17 and in the Bay Area from Oct 18 thru Oct 25.
I was wondering if there may be any 'regularly scheduled'
pick-up games of ultimate in these areas, or any club
practices that wouldn't mind a spare sub.

I'm a novice, and need all the practice I can get...
(a year and a half of inactivity can do that to a
person :-)

thanx in advance.

p.s. please reply to:

peteski@Texaco.com

its the most direct route to me.
From: zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:19:28 GMT
	<93RPG.92Oct14155507@bullfrog.world>
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I don't have my handy copy of the rules here with me 
,but I am as confident that my home team lost last night, that
it is in the rules that

The thrower may not intentionally throw a disk off of the marker
in order to catch it again.

If this was allowed I would be able to always score.
Lets see....
I'm being marked....Hmmmm...Cheesy throw of marker advance disk 5 yards.
...Hmmmmmm...Repeat as neccessary......Hmmmmmmm.....I could be a one man 
scoring machine....Hmmmmmmm

Good thing it is against the rules.  :-)

IRON "let me in Iwon't huck bad I promise" MIKE
From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
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Subject: Mid Atlantic Masters
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 11:40:48 -0500

On 10/6/92 Eric Simon said to All: 

  ES> From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups:
  ES> rec.sport.disc Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
  ES> 
  ES> MASTERS in the MID-ATLANTIC
  ES> 
  ES> So far only one team has expressed interest in competing for Masters
  ES> division in the Mid-Atlantic - Club Nimeo.

Is this Mark McPeak's team?

  ES> A Baltimore area team?
 
We tried, we tried.  Pulling all the 'old' players off the Baltimore open team
would probably kill it for regionals, so it looks grim for a Baltimore masters
team this fall.  Mark seemed to think there *was* a Philly team though, and
maybe a D.C. team.  btw, who are you playing with?
Nelson
From: bharat@shadow.Eng.Sun.COM (Bharat Mediratta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Rules Question
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:05:00 GMT
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Hey disc junkies!

Here's a rule question.  A player on the offensive team
is lined up to make a pass.  Another, taller, player on
the defensive team comes running in and they both jump
at the same time.  The defensive player *out-jumps* the
offensive player and reaches *over his head* and gets
the disc, without making any kind of contact whatsoever.

Does this break the rule about control of vertical space?

Please arbitrate this for us, oh mighty net readers :)

	-Bharat


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From: Rosse_Lapper@mindlink.bc.ca (Rosse Lapper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: disc golf course petitions
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:18:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

yes i have lobbied and obtained three publicly funded courses in BC Canada
and
would be happy to share my approaches and techniques. will compose material
offline and get back to you later(soon)
w
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From: "Thomas Griesbaum" <KA04@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Innsbruck International tournament
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:58 GMT

 Final standings of the tournament in Innsbruck, Austria, on Oct. 3/4

 The Innsburck team Flying Circus (no, they did not call themselves aft er THE
 Flying Circus of San Francisco) set up 3 great fields at the universit y site a
 lined perfectly and with cones. 12 teams came to play in the presumabl y last
 outdoor tournament of the European Continent (there will be at least o ne more
 Sweden this month and one in England in November) which at the same ti me is on
 of the biggest international events in Austria.

 Games were to 55 mins and each team had to have at least 2 women playe rs on th
 field at any time. The weather kept up well during both days and occas ional su
 shine gave sight to spectacular views of the surrounding mountains.

 Several guest players from the US and Australia made their way to this
 tournament and joined teams.

 The finals standings are:
  1 Groove Connection, Vienna (A)
  2 Cota Rica Rimini Beach, Rimini (I)
  3 Pfui Dive I, Munich (D)
  4 DISConnection, Freiburg (D)
  5 Scheibenkleister, Vienna (A)
  6 Frisbee Funkers, Vienna (A)
  7 Gummibears, Karlsruhe (D)
  8 Spinello Blasters, Radolfzell (D)
  9 Salutami 'ntonio, Milan (I)
 10 Flying Circus, Innsbruck (A)
 11 Schmeissfliegen, Konstanz (D)
 12 Flying Angels, Berne (CH)
 ---
 Thomas Griesbaum, Ultimate Team Gummibears Karlsruhe, Germany
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna) writes:
>If you want to be really anti-SOTG, just foul the hell out of a thrower
>who's looking at an easy pass for a goal.  This one is fairly popular.

  careful tom.  the other things were good fun, but not fouls.
  let's play clean out there.

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
From: Rosse_Lapper@mindlink.bc.ca (Rosse Lapper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: public golf courses
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:03:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Obtaining Gov't (i.e. tax funded) disc golf courses!

Remember the most important thing of all. It is a cost effective,
trans demographical (all ages,skills and genders) integratable and
unsupervised recreational facility that municipal and regional boards
will love when they are informed and educated on its strengths and
weaknesses.

Primary steps.

1- Attend some board meetings to get a feel for procedure and politics

2- Approach somebody in the planning department to get a feel
for possible sites and budget restrictions

3- After choosing several locations survey some residents in the area

4- Obtain references from major metropolitan area boards that have installed
facilities in high profile parks

5- Get info from PDGA and course equipment manufacturers on usage
and cost stats including installation

6- Choose the best three sites you like and go back to the planning
dept with all this info. Ask for help in presenting a proposal to
the board or governing body

7- If things still look reasonably positive after all this you are
now ready to spend a year or so preparing a presentation for the board.
Schedule some tournaments on the proposed sites. Get some
GOOD design consultants with an eye and an ear for the needs of
the general public as well as the regular players. Things will start
to gel if its meant to happen. If not perhaps seek a neighbouring
area or choose another park. Disc golf courses have a great plus
in that they can be built in otherwise unusable park areas. Also they
are removeable with no after effects. Socially they can be a calming
and enhancing facility in socially depressed or crime ridden areas
as they provide an unsupervised and unstructured facility for all.
In hard facts they have a low user cost ratio with installment at
$10,000 or so, NO MAINTENANCE and can support 72 players/hour.

8- If you need more call me at 604-222-4180. Name's Rosse Lapper
@usenet.mindlink.bc.ca


From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: Sectional tallys
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:26:04 -0500

TF>So, now that nearly all the regions have completed their sectionals (I
TF>heard the NY section had to delay until this weekend), who has the
TF>results on numbers of teams competing?

Very preliminary:  NE had in the low 60's, the Central had around 52,
the M.A. had 45.  I really have to hand it to the Central, which had a
HUGE increase.  I *THINK* that the West was in the 60's, too.

As far as the women go, West had in the 20's, Central had 18, M.A. had
15, and the NE had 14+One Unknown Section.   Could get hairy!


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From: krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna)
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:19:35 GMT

troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever) writes:

>ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Daniel C. Ziskin) writes:

>>By the way, I would love to see a discussion in this group of some of
>>the ingenious legal 'dirty tricks' that have been created in the 
>>history of the game.  Are all of them anti-SOTG?  

>- Pick up or catch the pull out of bounds, but don't call middle.
>Start to walk towards the field, then sprint to the line and throw the
>disc from there.

Then there's the end zone variant of this.  Start walking up to the goal
line, then suddenly sprint the rest of the way to briefly lose the
casually approaching defender and gain an unmarked throw.

What is "establishing a pivot foot" anyway?  Is it okay to run to the goal
line or sideline and just "plant" decisively on the line, hardly breaking
stride?  It makes for some interesting discussions, anyway.

>That's it for starters.  Anybody else have some more?

There are two "eye fakes" that I've seen work:
    - Look up suddenly as if tracking a disc heading in your direction.
      When the defender turns to see what you're looking at, take off
      and get open.
    - When you're standing still with a disc thrown to you or just over
      your head, and the defender is between you and the disc, look bored
      and disinterested.  Once the disc gets past the defender, look up
      and catch.  (This assumes no "up" call by the D.)

On a pull out-of-bounds, have a "disinterested" spectator catch the pull
(at no risk of a drop) and toss it to one of the offensive players who
can put it in play right away from the sideline.

Strike up a friendly conversation with your defender in the stack.  (You
can do this to be nice [SOTG] or to take the "edge" off his/her psych.
Your call.)

This one's more in the psych department, but what the heck.  After running
your defender to hell and back, when there's a break in play and he/she
is dying, act as if it's a Sunday stroll for you.  (Don't put your hands
on your knees, don't breathe heavy, etc.)

If you want to be really anti-SOTG, just foul the hell out of a thrower
who's looking at an easy pass for a goal.  This one is fairly popular.

And as long as I'm doing anti-SOTG, how about the old "fake an injury
after your team makes the D so an offensive player can come in" trick?
"Cramps" which come and go seem especially popular for this strategy.

--Tom K.
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: masters wild cards
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:56:24 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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The Northeast probably has 4 masters teams:

1) Red Menace - the team that went to Nationals last year. I don't know if we'll
   use the same name this year but we'll have a lot of the same players.

2) I've heard that there will be a Columbia reunion team that'll be playing Open
   Masters called "Old Blue"

3) Providence Chowderheads

4) A 1982 Rude Boys reunion team- this will depend on them meeting the masters
   division requirements. The proposal to give them special consideration was
   voted down but I believe that they'll be able to form a team and still meet
   the rules.

There may be others but thats all I've heard of to date. If anyone reading this
is in the northeast region and interested in playing masters contact me.
---
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BACUL Team: 	  RADial ACTive 	Sun Microsystems/SunSoft Inc. BDS
Boston Area Corporate Ultimate League 	chuck.brunson@East.Sun.COM
 You're NEVER too old to play! 		Work Phn. (508)671-0527
From: petelev@convex.com (Pete Levinthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: ps files of Ultimate action?
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:25:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.212549.28053
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Does anyone have postscript pictures of Ultimate action shots (like someone
getting horizontal).   Gifs or bitmaps would be OK, but ps would be best.  
Thanks Mucho....

Pete
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From: joes@princeton.edu (Joe Studholme)
Subject: Re: Jersey Sectional Results and a Question
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Ultimate
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:48:07 GMT

Concerning the NJ Sectionals, Paul Hart writes:

> But, wait the tournament is not without contraversy.  One of the teams
> had a player which is also on the roster (sectional) for a Masters
> team.  I don't know the rules the UPA has as far as this goes, but
> someone tried to explain to me that since this is the only Master's
> team in the region (Mid-Atlantic) they didn't really have a sectional.
> The Master's team did compete in the normal Open sectionals at Oaks
> (Penns Sectionals) but it was just for practice and had no effect on
> the outcome of the tournament.

> What are the rules for participation in both Open and Masters. 
> Currently he can attend Regionals for the Open Team and Nationals for
> the Masters.  His presence had a major impact on the Open Team
> making Regionals.

Hey...that's *me* you're talking about! Me, Joe Studholme, famous
controversial ultimate player. 

The situation is pretty simple - I play for Princeton, as I have done for
quite a long time. I'm also, at least in theory, on a Masters team out
of NJ and PA. I played with Princeton in the NJ sectionals on Saturday,
and with the Masters team (Club Nimeo) Sunday in the PA Sectionals. The
Masters team (Club Nimeo) was ineligible to advance to Regionals -
we were just there to get some work in. 

I'm uncomfortable with vague suggestions of impropriety, and I must say
that nobody brought this up at either tournament. I checked this out in
advance with my Eric Simon, my Regional Coordinator, and by the rules,
it's clearly OK to play at Sectionals, even if one is on a Master's team.

However, doing things by the rules is not sufficient. If our sport has
any guiding principle, it's that the spirit of the law is more
important than the letter of it. That is an essential truth that
makes ultimate worth the sacrifices that we make for it.

Aside from that, my place here at Princeton means that I have 
a certain responsibility through my own behavior to communicate 
the spirit of our sport properly to my young teammates. 
With that in mind, I intend to abandon participating 
in the Master's division this fall.

You have my word on it.

 - Joe Studholme
   Princeton Ultimate
From: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: indoor winter play in cleveland
Date: 12 Oct 1992 01:02:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
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anyone know anything about this?
lemme know.
thanks
elvy
-- 
Marc "elvis" Queen
*4th yr Pharmacy student at Ohio Northern*
*Founder of ONU Ultimate Frisbee*
115 1/2 S Main St, Ada, OH 45810  419-634-8013
From: peter@geology.wisc.edu (Peter Burkholder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:38:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: snow.1992Oct15.033821.14590
Organization: Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Wisconsin - Madison.

In a recent artcle, chrisf@jna.com.au (Chris Ford) writes:
>> Are these legal?
>> 
>> 1)  The offense throws a long bomb, high and floaty (similar to many of my 
>> hucks).  The defense gets several people down under it, including a big, burly 
>> person, and a small creature.  The big player lifts the little one into the air 
>> (perhaps on large one's shoulders) where he/she "towers" over every one, and 
>> grabs the disc.  
>
>I can't see that it is illegal but I would sure spit the dummy about SOTG.
>
If any duo could choreograph such a play, then they certainly deserve to
get away with it.  I can't imagine that it would be to anyone's advantage,
but let them try.  On offense, I'd certainly let them have the point on
style.  Why should the tall people have all the glory?

Another stupid trick:  Attend Maharashi University in Iowa.  Learn to
levitate (for extended periods, not just the momentary exhilaration we 
experience in the course of going horizontal in a good game).  Use your
levitation abilities to every obvious advantage.  Win games.

Does Maharashi University have an Ultimate team?  I once heard that they
had an exhibition in D.C., but only the levitation demonstrations by the
novices were open to the public.  "Levitation" proved to be a manner of
flopping across a gym floor while sitting in the lotus position and jumping
forward and into the air.  A spokesperson explained that the novices were
well on the way to freeing themselves from gravity's tyranny (they were
already freed of the burden of independent thought).  The more
advanced levitation sessions were closed to the general public.

Peter Burkholder
Geophysical and Polar Research Center
UW-Madison
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Subject: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)

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To: UNIXML::"ultimate-list@doe.carleton.ca"
Subject: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)

Are these legal?

1)  The offense throws a long bomb, high and floaty (similar to many of my 
hucks).  The defense gets several people down under it, including a big, burly 
person, and a small creature.  The big player lifts the little one into the air 
(perhaps on large one's shoulders) where he/she "towers" over every one, and 
grabs the disc.  

2)  Science major designs these super new cleats that are spring-loaded.  Same 
scenario as #1, but magic words or some other activator propels the player 10 
to 15 feet in the air, well above even, say, Dennis Cribber, where the player 
casually snags the B.  The springs are super soft, and if the player lands on 
someone on the way down, the springs actually have therapeutic qualities.

3)  Player (yet another science major) creates an irresistible potion that 
distracts the defender to the point where he/she can't effectively play 
defense.  When queried about what happened after the point by a teammate, 
he/she responds with:  "well, I was somehow distracted, but I'll tell you, it 
was the most fun I've had in a long time!", leaving the teammate thinking 
"well, sounds like the S.O.T.F. wasn't violated...".

Can do, or no?   I'm looking first for legal answers, but if you wish to 
respond with thoughts on the practically, best way to get style points, etc., 
please do so.

Loving this Friday,

Pabs
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