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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Edinburgh Festival info?
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:50:54 GMT

Anyone got any info on the Edinburgh Folk Festival this year?  Dates,
names, places... particularly I'd like info for the Edinburgh Harp
Festival which runs concurrently as a part of the Folk Festival, or
any contact information.  Please drop me a note or post.

Thanks 
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Slavery ( was Re: The story of the Scottish flag)
Date: 1 Jan 93 23:48:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <C02o8v.DJ1@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>
>Time for a change of subject line, don't you think ? :-)
>I continue it on both s.c.c and s.c.b because I'm not sure
>which group these two posters are from.
>
>In article <1hp4ljINNhm@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.015734.27067@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>
>[Lots of interesting things.]
>
>
>You two seem to be mines of information on the very interesting subjects
>of slavery and indentured servitude. I wonder if you can answer one
>question that has preplexed me for some time..
>
>Why did the British colonies introduce slavery? 
>
>I don't mean why did they do this for economic reasons, but what basis
>did the purchase and ownership of people have in English law, which I
>assume applied to the colonies.


Simply that servitude was _not illegal_. While serfdom had come to
an end by the beginning of the 16th century, no positive law existed
on the question of slavery.

Slavery was outlawed, in equity, in England and Wales in 1772,
by judicial fiat in the celebrated Somersett case. (A West Indian
slave, abandoned by his master in London as a result of illness --
the slave's that is -- was restored to health by a kindly Quaker
named Granville Sharpe, whereupon his master demanded his
restoration; the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Mansfield, found that the
air of England possessed qualities that made it unbreathable by
slaves. Similar decisions were reached by the High Court of Ireland
in the same year, and by Scotch judges in 1773.) This meant that
some 10,000 slaves were freed by a stroke of the judicial pen.

Sharpe's success in obtaining Somersett's freedom, along with that
of every other black slave in the British Isles, led to the founding
of the Anti-Slavery Society (which still exists, it may be the
oldest secular humanitarian organisation in the world), and began
the long struggle for the abolition of slavery in the colonies which
culminated in 1833 with the passage of the Emancipation Act.



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From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is sago?
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:13:33 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec16.195339.12815@news.clarkson.edu>, walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
> From article <1992Dec16.182205.4812@PacBell.COM>, by rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
>>> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>>>
>>>I have a cookbook called "Recipes from the Orkney Islands" published
>>>in 1978.  One of the recipes for a tomato soup calls for something
>>>called sago.  I've never heard of it.  Can someone help?
>> 
>> Though my dictionary says otherwise, I've always heard
>> it's the same thing as semolina...
>> -- 
> Sago is the suff with the "balls" in it, while semolina is much
> smoother.
Sago is the chopped root of the cassava, pressed to extract the
poisonous juice, and dried. Exciting stuff to eat, like blowfish.
Semolina is the hard kernels of rice grains, extracted prior to
grinding the rice to pasta flour.
Both are used for thickening soups and stews in britain; I suggest
you use whatever the local thickener is, perhaps corn kernels.
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:55:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <katherim.724957616@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>
>The dominion of Newfoundland?  Never heard of it.
>

Newfoundland became a dominion in this century, then went broke and
became a colony again, then joined Canada. Believe it or not.



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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 28 Dec 1992 04:12:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Dec27.220633.6570@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>In article <1hao5bINNg70@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>Not to mention those of 1689 and 1714.
>>
>1689 has been reinterpreted by some as a military coup combined with an invasion
>of England by William. The real power of Parliament became manifest in 1714
>when George I was called to the throne.
>
>What say ye?
>
>Chris
>

The Glorious Revolution was quite a bit more than a military
coup-cum-invasion. It produced both a change in the ruling coalition
(the Tories had been dominant from the Restoration until the
Revolution) and in the relative power of King and Parliament. The
Convention was in and of itself a revolutionary act, with
extraordinarily revolutionary consequences, of which the
 succession of George I was one of the more significant (the
disappearance of print censorship was another, as was the
rehabilitation of many surviving Commonwealthsmen, Sir John Wildman
being a notable example).

The most important consequence was the acceptance, tacit but real,
of the idea that the subject had a _right_ to revolt against
tyrannical acts by the Crown. It is, after all, no coincidence that
the _Two Treatises_ were published in London in 1689. (For more on
this I recommend Richard Ashcraft's study of Locke's theory in the
context of its times -- the rather cumbersome title of which escapes
me at the moment).       
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Britain/Ireland 400-1100 AD
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 09:01:18 GMT

mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
: I'm going to be taking a class in about a month on the archaeology
: of the period 400-1100 AD in Britain & Ireland.  I'm interested in
: doing some reading about this period beforehand, preferably not
: narrowly archaeological in nature (save that for the class).
: I'd prefer good references to books on its political & cultural / art
: history, & anything else that mite help my understanding of the
: period. I'm fairly well acquainted with material on Ireland, somewhat
: on the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, & pretty much clueless about Scotland
: & the other Celtic kingdoms of Britain, during that period.
: 
: Thanks,
: ==mwh
	Try the "Regional History of England" series published by Longmans
This is divided into books on each area UP to AD1000 and each area AFTER
AD1000. Not all have been published - or had not been published in 1988,
according to 

Peter Drewett, David Rudling Mark Gardiner, THE SOUTH EAST TO
AD1000 (London: Longman 1988) which I've read. The otehr books in this
series	 which I've not seen are:

Malcolm Todd THE SOUTH WEST TO AD1000 (published in the list for 1988)
T G Manby, YORKSHIRE 
R T Rowley SEVERN VALLEY AND WEST MIDLANDS
Jeffrey May EAST MIDLANDS
David Miles SOUTH MIDLANDS AND UPPER THAMES
W J Rodwell, EASTERN COUNTIES
Barry Cunliffe, WESSEX

Add "TO AD1000" to all these titles.

Richard Pennell  History NUS
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From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,sci.archaeology,soc.history
Subject: Britain/Ireland 400-1100 AD
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:46:29 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Distribution: world
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Summary: Book refs for this period

I'm going to be taking a class in about a month on the archaeology
of the period 400-1100 AD in Britain & Ireland.  I'm interested in
doing some reading about this period beforehand, preferably not
narrowly archaeological in nature (save that for the class).
I'd prefer good references to books on its political & cultural / art
history, & anything else that mite help my understanding of the
period. I'm fairly well acquainted with material on Ireland, somewhat
on the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, & pretty much clueless about Scotland
& the other Celtic kingdoms of Britain, during that period.

Thanks,
==mwh
From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Satellite view of Ireland
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:24:59 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory

"John" == John Murray <jxm@engin.umich.edu> writes:

John> In article <28092@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael
John> Helm) writes:

Michael> I was looking thru Liam de Paor's "Portrait of Ireland" (St
Michael> Martin's Pr, 85) & there's a beautiful satellite view of
Michael> Ireland in one of the first few pages.  Uncredited, unlike
Michael> the other photo plates.  Is anyone familiar with the picture
Michael> in this book?  How about any pointers to other
Michael> satellite/space pictures of Ireland, Scotland, Brittany, &c?

John> I've seen an 'Ireland From Space' poster floating around Dublin,
John> made from Landsat data, I think. The people who handle Landsat
John> in Ireland are connected to UCD, I believe. 

This info is over 10 years old but anyone interested might contact
         /     /
Dr. Eoin O'Mongain in the Physics Department at UCD.  Sorry, no email
address (we didn't have them back then...)

If you're interested in weather pics, there is an anonymous ftp site
that has European weather images (gif format) updated something like
twice a day.  Can't usually see much of Ireland (or Western Europe for
that matter) most of the time but there are some clear spells... I
don't have the host name handy (at home now).  If you want the
details, send me e-mail.
				- Pat
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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:46:53 EST

In article <1h7v9uINNq2t@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>In article <ljeqi1INNf2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>>From article <1992Dec21.173822.8195@newstand.syr.edu>, by crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea):
>>> 
>>
>>> Name me a single Scottish, Welsh or Irish colony in the New World 
>>> administered in the name of Scotland, Wales or Ireland! What language 
>>
>>Iceland (before the Norse conquored them). That 1 more than was
>>administered in the name of England.  All of the colonies in the western
>>hemisphere were founded and administered in the name of the BRITISH
>>crown (with the SCOTTISH king, remember).
>
>Not all. In the late 17th century, a specifically Scottish colony
>was established at Darien on the Isthmus of Panama. It failed alas.
>I've seen references to Montserrat having been an Irish colony, but
>those may be mistaken.


You're right. Darien was a scheme to plant a colony in Panama in 1695
(by Scotsmen, not the Scottish crown, which was a dead letter under 
William III because the Scottish attitude was hostile to the usurpation
of King Billy of James II's throne) but failed--not because of the swamps 
but because Scotland was still excluded from direct English trade because
of the Navigation Acts, now stringently enforced, so that the price of
supplies to the colony was exorbitant. At best, it had quasi-government
support by influential courtiers from Scotland.

I Will grant you the possibility that Ireland MAY have been a colony chartered
by the king of Ireland (the same guys who were King of England, Scotland,
and supposedly France) but I will point out that the majority of the
colonials were Celts from Ireland and Wales. I simply don't know the 
story of Montserrat, will check, but are you sure? I will bet my last buck
that the island was 90% Irish, all right...after all, who else were so 
easy to get for indentured servant slave labor but Celtic criminals/rebels?


Chris

>
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From: potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter)
Subject: Searching for Derek Dewar
Organisation: VMS Engineering, DEC, Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:36:49 GMT

Apologies all, but I am looking for Derek Dewar's e-mail address, which I lost
after a disk crash some time ago.

Derek, plesae mail me at the address below.

Many thanks; let the arguments resume...

regards,
/atp

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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:54:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <ljeqi1INNf2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <1992Dec21.173822.8195@newstand.syr.edu>, by crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea):
>> 
>
>> Name me a single Scottish, Welsh or Irish colony in the New World 
>> administered in the name of Scotland, Wales or Ireland! What language 
>
>Iceland (before the Norse conquored them). That 1 more than was
>administered in the name of England.  All of the colonies in the western
>hemisphere were founded and administered in the name of the BRITISH
>crown (with the SCOTTISH king, remember).

Not all. In the late 17th century, a specifically Scottish colony
was established at Darien on the Isthmus of Panama. It failed alas.
I've seen references to Montserrat having been an Irish colony, but
those may be mistaken.



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From: smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:42:53 GMT
	<1har91INNjm0@network.ucsd.edu>
	<1992Dec27.221951.6835@newstand.syr.edu>
Organization: DAI, University of Edinburgh


Since the question of specifically Scottish involvement in Nova Scotia
was raised, here is what Gordon Donaldson has to say in "Scotland:
James V to James VII" (P 254):

" No episode is marked by so many of the characteristics of Jacobean
Scotland as the Nova Scotia scheme.  Here was a "project"; here
Scotland was following the example of "uther weill governit
commounwelthis" - and following at no great distance, for England's
first permanent settlement on the American continent, in Virginia, had
likewise been a Jacobean foundation (1607), the French had founded
Port Royal (Nova Scotia) in 1605 and Quebec in 1608, and the Dutch had
settled at the mouth of the Hudson river in 1609.  The enterprise
reflected conditions arising from the union of the crowns, for the
grant made to Sir William Alexander, Earl of Stirling - poet,
anglicised Scot, courtier and secretary of state - is parallel to the
grant of part of Newfoundland to Sir George Calvert, an English
secretary.  Alexander was himself one of the new peers, and part of
his scheme was the creation of baronets - a title new to Scotland -
who were intended to provide men for the colony, but their obligation
was later commuted for money. Pioneering parties went out in 1622 and
1623, but no settlement was made until 1629.  Circumstances were
temoprarily favourable, for David Kirke had sacked the French
foundation at Port Royal, and he went on in 1629 to compel Champlain
to surrender Quebec.  Even then, however, there was no attempt at
colonisation on a substantial scale.  In 1632, Charles I handed back
to France all that Kirke had seized, French sovereignty was formally
restored and the Scots had to evacuate.  Scots who had landed on Cape
Breton Island had made even a shorter stay.  Colonisation in America
was not to provide an outlet for the superabundant vigour of Jacobean
Scotland or employment for men who were too active and energetic to find
occupations in the peaceful and settled conditions now obtaining in their
homeland. "

So it clearly was a distinctively Scottish settlement, if short-lived.




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From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: 1 IRE grandparent=CDN/IRE citizenship
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:15:56 GMT

If you have an Irish grandparent, getting  an Irish/EC passport is very
easy, it just requires a little time and money.

Call the Embassy of Ireland in Ottawa, and ask for the application to
be registered as a foreign birth. Then you send off 30 punt or so to 
Dublin to get original birth and marriage certificates of your grandparent.
You send this, with your parents birth and marriage certificates, plus your
own (all in the long-form and no photocopies) to the embassy. Dont forget
the $300. Then just wait. Can take up to 2 years. Mine came in 11 months.
So now you have your Irish birth certificate. Then you send this back
to the embassy with $100 to get your passport (4 weeks).

Sure now though, whats your rush, and a warning I'll give you for free...
.. if you fill out anything wrong at all the lovely lady at the 
embassy will tear a strip off ya.

Good luck
David

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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Uphalieday
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:51:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

I noticed a request on rec.food.cooking for a recipe for "black bun", a
Scottish New Year delicacy (basically dark fruit cake in a pastry shell); so
I looked it up in a recipe book and came across this comment:

"Black Bun is the old Scottish Twelfth Cake, which was transferred to
Hogmanay after the banning of Christmas and its subsidiary festival,
Uphalieday, or Twelfth Night, by the Reformers."

( from "The Scots Kitchen", by F. Marian McNeill)

Now, my question: what was Uphalieday?  How was it celebrated?  Is it related
to the Shetland festival of "Up Helly Aa", and if so which came first?
etc... Basically tell me anything you can!

Thanks a lot for any interesting snippets of information,
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilts
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <katherim.724960141@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>
>
>>scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz (Robert Singers) wrote:
>>> 1:  How is a person's right to wearing a particular clan tarten 
>>>     determined.  Also how is clan affliation determined.
>
>>Go to a tartan shop in the high street of a Scottish tourist destination and
>>look for a chart saying what clan your name is associated with.
>
>>The Hasegawas are a sept of the Campbells and the beni Hashem of the MacLeods,
>>of course.  Perhaps for the Cohens a connection with the Brahan Seer might be
>>thinkable.
>
>These are not always reflective of individual cases.  Names can be changed
>legally, without necessarily reflecting a change in alleigance.  If I
>were to look up my name on one of these charts, I might just end up
>wearing a Campbell or a MacGregor tartan (something that might cause many 
>of my ancestors to roll in their graves).  My last name was changed by
>my Grandfather for a variety of reasons.  I am however, clan Graham.  I
>think asking your grand-relatives (uncles, aunts, fathers, mothers) who
>your ancestors are is the best bet.  If you're still stuck, black watch
>is always a safe bet.



I would advise people, faced with the glorious and totally gorgeous range 
of tartans available, simply to *choose the one you like best*.


I was very dissapointed with all the ones I am "entitled" to wear, even
after I tried all of them back to my Great-Grannies. :-)

So I have several in my posession now, and not one of them connected
with me at all, exept in taste and style..

I mean - imagine wearing Crawford, becase that happens to be your name
:-) :-)

M
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