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From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Subject: Re: Frame2Interleaf converter
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:49:48 GMT

In article <3812@cvbnetPrime.COM> mturok@cvbnet.prime.com (Michael Turok 4-1235 x2628) writes:
>
>Does anybody know of a converter/filter that converts FrameMaker files to
>Interleaf format (preferrably public domain) ?

Hmmm...Frame has the iaftomif filter that goes *to* Frame, (and doesn't
do a great job, either).  I'm not sure about the "to Interleaf" part...
If somebody suggests Filtrix by BlueBerry software, be warned that their
filters currently work for Interleaf tps4.0 and Frame 2.1 only.

>Basically we'd like to have an Interleaf library of graphic symbols that
>represent elements of distributed development environment (terminals,
>workstations, servers, disk drives, etc...),

You mean like the ones in System5->Graphics->TechArt->Network ???

>Btw, if you don't have/know of a converter, but _do_ have an Interleaf
>library we're looking for and _can_ share it with us - we'd appreciate it!

I agree -- there's not enough clip art being passwd around here!

-- 
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MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: c code from vi
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <pete.715936644@marsh> pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)  
writes:
> I have C code i want to put into an appendix and the tabs 
> don't line up. Frame seems to position the first tab 
> at tabstop 1 and if you are past it, tough. Whereas vi 
> keeps "tabs" (perhaps a better word required here) of the
> position on the line.

Well, not to contradict my distinguished colleague Rob
Weinberg, you are quite correct that Frame's model of
tabs is different from the physical model used by ascii
terminals, vi and the "terminal" window on a workstation.
And sometimes it is impossible to make them work the same way. 

On an ascii terminal, a tab character causes movement to
the "next" tab stop. Thus a tab *always* causes horizontal
motion on the line and *always* produces white space.

Frame relates tab CHARACTERS to tab POSITIONS on a 
one-to-one basis.  A tab character is not related to the
"next" tab stop, but to the specific tab stop that it
corresponds to, the first to the first, the second to the
second, etc -- without regard to the location of the tab
character in the line.  

Suppose in a given paragraph you have tabs at 3pc, 6pc,
9pc... and so forth. Then, in any given line, the first tab
character is associated with the position 3pc from the
left margin -- even if that tab happens to follow 4, 5
or 10 picas worth of text!  

Since it appears to the right of its destined position, it
has no effect other than, if you have text symbols turned
on, making your line look messy.  In fact, if you want to tab
after typing 9 picas of text, you have to hit the tab key
four times to produce any white space.  You need a tab for
the 3pc stop, the 6pc stop, the 9pc stop -- and the fourth
tab will move to the 12pc tab stop. 

This tab model is actually helpful when you are formatting
a table using tabs (the old fashioned way).

But it also means that when you import tab-formatted ascii
text, LEADING tabs on a line will work (because there is no
text to the left of them), so  your source text indentation
will be preserved.  But MID-LINE tabs -- the ones you use to
make your /* comments */ line up, and the ones you use to 
make the right-hand edge of a boxed comment align -- these
tabs will *not* work.  Not until you manually insert a bunch
of extra tabs on every line.

This could be addressed in a text filter like prog2mif but
in order to do so, the conversion tool has to know where the
tabstops appear in the target paragraph style.  I don't know
that anybody has done this.

   Dave Cortesi @ informix.com
From: dok_hfa@sovb39pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans-Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: aligning tables with top of page
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:47:46 GMT
Reply-To: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Communication Systems, Nuremberg, Germany


In article <1992Sep13.183942.12340@informix.com>, cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi) writes:
|> From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
|> Subject: Re: aligning tables with top of page
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep11.180637.22646@bmerh85.bnr.ca> lgross@bnr.ca (Larry Ross)  
|> writes:
|> > In article <1992Sep09.134212.11396@bass.lkw.com>, brighid@bass.lkw.com  
|> (Brighid) writes:
|> > Like Birghid, I currently have the paragraph set to 4pt with a table
|> > margin of 0.  What I really want is to be able to set the "Space Below"
|> > feature on the paragraph to -4pt.  Negative numbers seemed to be ignored.
|> 
|> The space between any two paragraphs is the algebraically greater
|> of: the Space Below of the upper para, and the Space Above of the
|> lower para.
|> 
|> So for a -4pt Space Below to be effective, the Space Above of the
|> following para must be no greater than -4pt also.

That's correct, but tables may have a Space Above, too.
If your dummy para in the first line has a line spacing of x point
you should assign Space Below -x point to this para and Space Above
-x point to the table (Use Table - Format Table). But pay attention:
It will be very difficult to edit any text in the first paragraph later.
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From: rlw@IDA.ORG (Richard Wexelblat)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Framers Forum Magazine
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:52:57 GMT
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

In article <1992Sep14.114524.4563@drd.com> we see:
: ARE YOU READY?
: Frame Technology has just given the official nod of endorsement to
: WildCat Communications (an Oregon-based company) to produce the first,
: and the only full-scale magazine for Frame users.

...
  
: Mail a personal check, cashierUs check, or money order to:

... 
   
Well, I've had experience with soon-to-be-published magazines.  Tell you
what.  Get in touch _after_ the first issue is published and we'll see.

-- 
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  Quotes out of context and parodies are encouraged.
From: kate@tmp.medtronic.COM (Kate Seastone,MS-10,9295344,)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker to Interleaf filters?
Keywords: Interleaf
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:58:42 GMT
Reply-To: kate@tmp.medtronic.COM
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

Our Spec. department chose Interleaf and we are on FrameMaker so...
They would like us to convert our FrameMaker doc's to Interleaf.  

What are the options out there?

We are on FrameMaker 3.1X, and we need to go to Interleaf 5.3.


Current interfaces are: 
	FrameMaker -> text -> Interleaf 
	FrameMaker -> WP -> WP -> Interleaf

Current platforms: 
	Sun, Apollo, and VAX conglomoration.


Thanks for the info. in advance!


---
Kate Seastone					Sr. Software Engineer
Medtronic/Micro-Rel				"Toward Man's Full Life"
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov (Jackie Wilson - BCSS)
Subject: Drawing Packages
Reply-To: jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:47:18 GMT


Which drawing packages interface well with FrameMaker 3.1?  I am
considering purchasing an application for our engineering group but there are several to choose from.  Correl Draw has live links to Frame documents
but I've also heard that Aldus has a good drawing package.  I am not looking for a CAD program.  I simply want a package to create graphical documents for proposals, presentations, etc.  Any experience someone could share with me would be greatly appreciated.

Jackie Wilson
Networking Services
Boeing Computer Support Services

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: Frame Maker breaks other 3d party software
Keywords: frame maker openwindows
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:56:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.172435.12064@tin.monsanto.com> nghoff@albert.monsanto.com (Norman G. Hoffman) writes:
>We recently installed the OpenLook GUI version of FrameMaker 3.1 (3.1ol) 
>on a SPARCstation 1+ running SunOS 4.1.1 and OpenWindows 3.0.  
>We have found that running 3.1ol prevents another third-party product from 
>running.  N
>
>    nghoff@albert 49> vn
>    VNX: starting VNMR
>    X Error:  BadAccess
>      Request Major code 89 ()
>      Request Minor code 0
>      ResourceID 0x0
>      Error Serial #92
>      Current Serial #93
>    nghoff@albert 50> 
>
This means your "vn" program, which is an X Window System client,
attempted to set one or more entries in a color map, and
failed because it either did not correctly allocate those entries
or it tried to set them in a read-only color map.

Run the command "xrdb -symbols" before and after starting Frame
3.1OL.  If you see the string -DCLASS=StaticColor after starting
Frame, it means that your "vn" program can't handle the way
your X server is set up.  It's also possible that Frame occupies
a lot of colors in the color map, not leaving enough for vn.  
(But, it's a bit hard to believe that OPEN LOOK Frame does this
and Motif Frame doesn't.)

Hope this helps.

>Vn normally displays 3 windows: input, graphics, and text.
>When this error occurs, the input and text windows appear, 
>the error messages are generated, then the windows disappear.
>
>The problem appears to have something to do with the window manager.
>If we set the DISPLAY environment variable to use another machine's
>console, vn works fine.  If we go to a remote machine and set its DISPLAY
>variable to use the problem machine's console, vn exits on the remote
>machine as described above.
>
>Once we have run 3.1ol, vn will not run, even after 3.1ol has exited.
>We must exit OpenWindows altogether and restart it with the "openwin" 
>command for vn to work again.
>
>Does anyone know what the above error messages mean?
>
>nghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: larsoe@csd.uu.se
Subject: Re: Mac and Frame - HELP!!!!!
Organization: Uppsala University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202312.955@evb.com> brandon@evb.com (Brandon Goldfedder)
writes:
>We are trying to convert 250+ files from Mac  Frame to Sun Frame.  For about
>200 of them the conversion was effortless, a little rescaling of pictures was
>needed but otherwise no real problems in the conversion.  However, for 50 or
so
>of these the pictures embedded within (I believe it stores it in QuickDraw
PICT)
>were corrupted and little dots appear on them, the effect varies to an 
>an inconvience creating a graying effect to making the graphic completely 
>unreadable.
>
>We have the documents in Word 5.0 for the Mac as well, but there is no way
>to easily convert to Sun/Unix Frame that we can find.  We could convert to
>the Mac Frame but then we are back at the frame/frame problem
>

I am no great hacker concerning these questions, but I encountered similar
problems converting word files from the Mac to the PC . I think the culprit is
the pictures. There might be more straightforward solutions to the problem, but
this worked for me. 

I removed the pictures, and converted them separately into another format which
can be used on another platform (I think it was TIFF for the PC) then pasted
them again in the new document on the other platform. This was a lot of work
(converting files for a proceeding), but we managed in the end. 50 files
(depending on the number of pictures in them) sounds at least possible to
handle.  
 
If anyone knows any bettre ideas/solutions, I'm interested.
Hope this helps - 

/Lars
--
Lars Oestreicher 
Dept of computing science
Uppsala University
Sweden
 
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: frame and olvwm
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.055033.2952@cc.uow.edu.au> jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au writes:
>
>Specifically, you should ask frame for a new version with an Xview interface.

Or an OLIT interface.  This might be easier for Frame, considering
they already have a Motif interface.

OLIT is an X toolkit based on Xt which implements OPEN LOOK.  In that
respect it's similar to the OSF/Motif toolkit.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Framemaker Binary format compatibility
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:26:35 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

jonas@ipcsun5.his.se (Jonas Mellin) writes:

> 
> How compatible are the binary formats of a version of FM between
> different platforms, e.g. SPARC and MS-Windows?

Identical. However, one cannot open a 3.0 Windows version on a 2.x
UNIX box.

s

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
Subject: Re: master page problem
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:43:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.125735.13339@sei.cmu.edu> ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch) writes:
]...[

>Yes.  The text columns must be transparent.  You see, the "Draft" is a
>background graphic, and as such, is behind the text columns on the page.
>
>If you are planning to use the draft banner, you should make all text columns
>(on all pages and all master pages) Fill Pattern: None.
>
>Unfortunately, for an already existing document, I know of no way to do a mass
>change of this type.  You must go to EVERY page, select the text column(s) and
>click Fill:None.  Not fun in a 100 page document.

Just a thought.  Could you make the text frame on the master page
transparent then apply that.  If this works, then you would only need to
apply for as many master pages as your document has.

steve
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From: azuelos@nuri.inria.fr (Daniel  AZUELOS)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: filter: troff -> MIF
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:11:08 GMT
Organization: INRIA * Rocquencourt BP 105 * F-78153 LE CHESNAY CEDEX* France

Where may I find such a filter (if it does exist):

	troff -> FrameMaker (2.1, 3.0 or 3.1)

Thanx.
-- 
                                                                  bug
Daniel AZUELOS 
E-mail  :   azuelos@polytechnique.fr
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: labeling blank pages
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:39:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.202306.3639@evolving.com> judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:
>
>Is there an easy way to automatically show "this page intentionally
>left blank" on blank pages which are embedded in a document?

If you are deliberately embedding blank pages, you can have a special master
page with that text on it (or use a page column sized anchored frame with the
message in it anchored to a blank paragraph).

>We've got a document with certain sections which must land on
>a right-hand page, so we end up with blank pages in the middle
>of the document.  Right now, we're just adding the message manually,
>but of course that means rechecking constantly.

Actually, it sounds like what you REALLY want is to set the first paragraph
of the page you want to be on the right to "Start At Top of Right Page" with
the Paragraph Format menu.  I don't know if this option is available in
version 2.1, but it definitely is in version 3.0 and 3.1.  That just naturally
lets the left page be blank if it would be.

Unfortunately, there is no way (that I know of, anyway) to automagically make
the message appear if the left page is blank but disappear if the left page
is not blank.  Do you really NEED that message if you can have the blank page
appear only when needed without having to manually insert/delete it?

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Glib's Fourth Law of Unreliability:
	Investment in reliability will increase until it exceeds the
	probable cost of errors, or until someone insists on getting
	some useful work done.
From: ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Word count
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:13:56 GMT
Organization: Bull HN UK

kumashi@bend.ucsd.edu (Toshiyuki Kumashiro) writes:
>Is there a way to count the number of words in a document other than saving it
>in text and using some other utility? I looked at features like "Generate",
>"Find/Change", "Spelling Checker", etc., but none of them didn't appear to let
>me do this. Any help will be appreciated.
No!

File.Save As.Text Only <file>
wc -w <file>

Eoin.

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From: azuelos@nuri.inria.fr (Daniel  AZUELOS)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: c code from vi
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:31:43 GMT
Organization: INRIA * Rocquencourt BP 105 * F-78153 LE CHESNAY CEDEX* France

In article <1992Sep8.194708.29202@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic) writes:

[...]

|> |> I have C code i want to put into an appendix and the tabs 
|> |> don't line up. Frame seems to position the first tab 

[...]

|>    Make sure you're using a non-proportional font (eg Courier) and
|> run your program through expand(1) before incorporating it into
|> Frame.  Alternatively, you could write your own filter to play with
|> tab stops.

You may alternatively use pr(1): pr -e8.
Anyway, be careful, if you intend to modify your C code, you'll have
to temporarilly turn off smart spaces.

-- 
				dan
				azuelos@poly.polytechnique.fr
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
From: yount@fox.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Robert Yount)
Subject: Maker windows pop down spontaneously
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:06:42 GMT


I'm running Sys V rel 4.0 on an Intel 486 machine.  I'm running olwm
(don't know the version), the only wm that comes with it.

When I start Framemaker 3.1X, the initial window (with New, Open, etc.)
comes up fine.  If I click on any of the buttons, however, the
new window pops up and immediately pops back down by itself.

I've tried the suggestions in the release notes, but they don't seem
to address a problem as serious as mine.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Chuck Yount
From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Touch typing
Date: 7 Sep 1992 10:44:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

dma@cs.bham.ac.uk (Denis Martin Anthony) writes:

>Is there a touch typing course for Unix, along the lines of Mavis
>Beacon?

Dunno what is Mavis Beacon, but I know of two programs which are
available: they are named "letters" and "ttype".  Letters is a game
where words (/usr/words/dict) fall down the screen.

Archie for 'em.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
From: bq276@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Seese)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: page maker help
Date: 6 Sep 1992 15:44:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I agree that slipping some extra space in between paragraphs is
in most cases better accomplished through the ``Paragraph''
option.  My tip, however, works well if your style calls for an
extra hard return between paragraphs.
-- 

Michael Seese
Cleveland, OH (and darned happy to be here)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:15:19 -0400 
From: Terilyn Gillespie <tg0r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Evaluating layout

I'm not sure if this is the "right" place to ask, but thought I'd start
here anyway.  I am interested in learning about ways to evaluate the
effectiveness/"usability" of a particular format or layout--in this
particular instance, I'm talking about the design of a newsletter.  I
don't want to evaluate the usability of the *text*, but rather the
actual layout & format design.

On the one hand, I sort of think it might be best to have two proposed
designs and compare those--that may be the optimal case, however.  I
figure that if I can decide how to measure people's responses
to/dislikes/likes between two proposed designs, I should just as well be
able to assess those on one design.  My real problems, however, have to
do with how you would measure a person's response--I'd rather gather
more information than just aesthetic preferences, although those will be
important too.  But how do I measure how well the format "presents"
information, moves the reader's focus, etc.   I have done my fair share
of usability studies, but they have all dealt either specifically on the
particular interface or on the comprehensibility of a document--I just
have no point of reference on how to go about evaluating layout alone.

Does anyone have ideas on how to go about this?  Any references to
relevant work?  Any and all thoughts and discussions are greatly
encouraged!  Thanks.

Terilyn Gillespie
Computing Services
Carnegie Mellon University
tg0r@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: system@convax.iar.nrc.ca (Jim.Jordan)
Subject: Poster Layout Tools
Reply-To: system@convax.iar.nrc.ca (Jim.Jordan)
Organization: National Research Council,Ottawa,Canada
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 08:10:15 EDT

Hello:						Sept-8-92

	I would like to lay out a poster of size 4 ft x 4 ft, with various
text and graphics. To print this on a standard laser printer with paper
of size 8 1/2 x 11 in would require partitioning up the poster into 
mosaics. There must be some DTP package around that will do this but most
of the ones I have come across are oriented to standard pages.

	Any suggestions ?


							Thanks
							---Jim---

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