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From: newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:50:35 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>Time to launch nukes at the USA.

  Yeah, that'll show them violence is a nasty thing, eh?

>Havng spoken to people of both British and Irish nationalites, many fell that
>the NI situation is an embarrassment to both of them.

  And what does this prove?  I would think everyone here seems to think
  you are an embarassment to the rest of us trying to have some
  intelligent conversation.

>I would like to challenge all USers to think of the following:
>   What if one state in the Union decided to seceed and was not allowed to, say
>Texas.  Wouldn't you expect a group of Texans to form an independence group
>having a covert civil war in Texas and random bomb attacks in the rest of the
>country?  How would you fell.?

  This is such an oversimplified generalization, it's hard to think you
  have any idea of what's going on.

  Don't forget that Irish people have lived in Ireland since time untold.
  The English have colonised it, brutalized it, sent the Irish into
  concentration camps, starved a million and a half people to death in
  the artificially created potato famine, and continue the campaign
  of terrorism they started centuries ago.

  This is nothing like the contrived analogy you make with Texas.

  Plenty of Irish people just want their right to be Irish in peace.

>BTW, getting the UN into NI is a very good idea, I second such a motion.

  Yes, certainly, with some non-British politicans and people without
  vested interests in keeping Ireland under English control.

  -- mn
From: mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Return to UK - Queries.
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:27:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

In article <BvzDD8.KwH@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
>In article <riaedwards.1.718095832@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> riaedwards@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (AUDREY EDWARDS) writes:
>> 2) (as I will be temporarily [hopefully!!] unemployed on my return), can 
>>one still get free dental treatment and eye tests whilst claiming income 
>>support? BTW (just to depress me further in my contemplation of real 
>>life!!), what is the current income support level for a single person?  
>
>Now for your further depression.  =)
>
>I have a penpal in Sheffield;  she wrote to me her Social Security was 
>107 pound a week.   Depending on all the other things that relate to
>this, it may be enough or it may not.  

Income support for the single person is currently 33 pounds 60 pence per
week. Las Vegas here we come...

Mat
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:49:58 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct14.092526.27792@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
> However, if a government REALLY feels that it wants to privatise
> everything, then my feeling is that the Russian way is the proper 
> way to do it.  It's my feeling that I (and everyone else in the 
> country) own these nationally-owned industries, with the government's
> proper role being that of our agent.  Since I already own part of 
> the company, I shouldn't have to buy it from myself.

Since the money paid for the shares goes to the Treasury, 
part of it comes to you.   So those who wish to take the 
risk of owning shares in publicly traded companies are 
risking their own money, and you, as previous part owner, 
get a share in the benefit.   You get to choose whether
you want to take the risk or not.

Under the Soviet scheme, no-one can choose whether or
not to take the risk.   It is simply handed to them.
And, since the shares are handed out free, there is
no money flowing to the Treasury, so there is no shared
benefit.

jon.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 06:03:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

<qnclik0@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|> >Yes, you are missing something.   People do read this stuff.   My
>|> >local bookstore has an entire section of Opera scores.
>|> 
>|> Well, what is it?  Do playwrights write plays for reading or for
>|> acting?  Of course people read these things--I do myself.  But the
>|> idea of reading say, the Magic Flute, without listening to it strikes
>|> me as rather unusual behaviour.

Like to answer the question?  What am I missing?

>I'm not sure why you think it's so unusual.   I expect there is
>something to be got out of reading a written text that you don't
>necessarily get from a performance.

As I say to my kids, If you aren't sure, then ask.  What you expect is,
of course, determined by your own experience.  For my part, I would say
that there is much to be gained from a score or script (but not from a text)
that cannot be gained from a performance, but there is nothing to be gained
from a script or score without a performance.  Unless your name is Solti,
Kennedy or whoever your god is this week.
>jon.

Mart
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: li@oracorp.com (Li Gong)
Subject: Re: Price of a Burberry
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:38:48 GMT

Burberry's in Boston (MA, USA) sells things in the range of
$300-infinity.  However, when at sales (such as change of season), one
can expect to get very good deals.

In article <BvLv3F.LEr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "Ms. Johanna Wise" <jmwise@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>Can someone give me a reasonably accurate figure for what one might cost? I
>am coming to England in about 10 weeks and would like to have some idea. I
>would be buying a ladies coat. What kinds of options affect the price?
>Which stores sell them (I only have one listed here) ?  Any help or information
>will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ta Very Much.
>J.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.090412.27631@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
|> 
|>              ...Major and Lawson would have been 'surcharged', i.e.
|> held personally and individually liable for the money lost defending
|> the pound just before it was cut loose.  (How long does it take to pay
|> back a few billion on a Cabinet salary?)...

No time at all. You just announce that full employment matters far more
than inflation and pay it off with a weeks wages. I advocate this policy
as it would keep me in work and reduce my morgage to less than the price
of a pint. 

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Maidenhead itself is too snobby to be pleasant. It is the haunt of the
   river swell and his overdressed female companion. It is the town of showy
   hotels, patronized chiefly by dudes and ballet girls. 

   Three Men In A Boat, Jerome K. Jerome, 1889
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:24:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.002430.1222
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct8.205349.12697@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct8.172631.3068@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes...
>> 
>>My SO, on the other hand, has completely lost patience with the
>>pace and quality of service in the UK, *and* he is completely
>>smoke-intolerant.  Luckily we didn't have to eat out together
>>very many times.  :-)  He also created quite a ruckus at the
>>village whist drive by requesting that the girl at his table
>>not inhale in his face.  I wanted to slide under the table.
      ^^^^^^
      I meant 'exhale'!
>> 
>He should try getting a copy of Eat, Sleep and Drink smoke free
>published by ASH UK
>

He says he'd just rather stay in California.  Not very many
encounters with smokers around here.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:46:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: nick@cs.hw.ac.uk (Nick Taylor)
>Paddy Ashdown (Cheated on wife but trusted to run party)

Well, in this case you must include David Owen aka Dr.Death, who

While elected as an MP for party 1 (Labour) set up party 2 (SDP).
While elected as an MP for party 2 refused to accept its
democratic vote to merge with party 3 (Liberal) to form party 4
(Liberal Democrats) and instead set up party 5 (SDP Mark II),
while doing this converging in political views with party 6
(Conservative), causing damage all round.

For these reasons he is considered the ideal man to act as
peacekeeper in ex-Yugoslavia.

>Lloyd George (Cheated on wife but trusted to run country)

Also sold peerages and behaved in a generally similar way to
Owen regarding parties (managing to split the Liberal Party
into two parts and sitting as an MP for a third part).

>The woman who runs Westminster City Council

Sold cemeteries for 5p each to building company. Brought them
back at a cost of thousands (millions?) . Wasn't surcharged.
Also sold off houses built for poor local residents at a cheap
rate to rich businessmen in marginal wards.

>North Cornwall District Council Planning Committee

Must also mention Western Isles Council (put entire council
funds into the Bank of Crooks and Cocaine International shortly
before it went bust).

Matthew Huntbach
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Oct9221243
Organization: Poets for Physics
In-reply-to: v064myby@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 15:33:00 GMT


v064myby@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta) writes:

>News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


> 	Can anyone tell me how you're supposed to pronounce Edinburgh?
> Every Scot I talk to seems to say Edinboro!  I assume they're not referring
> to Pennsylvania.
> 						Latre,
                                                ^^^^^
> 						'Q'

Hey, is this the British spelling (cf. 'theatre', 'centre')?
Just kidding. Laters,

               Phil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:30:59 GMT

In article <26872@castle.ed.ac.uk> matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor) writes:
>In article <13OCT199210180785@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>
>   ...   a lot of guff   ...
>
>But then the crucial point:
>>but I suggest that being Tory simply means that you're thick.  Anyone who can
>>be persuaded by the recent bullshit from the government must be intellectually
>>challenged.
>>
>>Laurence
>
>The sad state of affairs is Laurence that to vote any other way at
>present in this country is futile.
>
>You can't beat them so you might as well join them...
>
>		Matt

Some people regard running with the herd straight towards a cliff as 
insanity. Just because voting may appear futile could not excuse agreeing with
policies, idealogies and statements that are often clearly a load of old
todgers. 


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Reading scripts and scores
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:

>Quite so, I do the same, although I usually prepare in advance.  But
>would you consider studying a SH score in the *absence* of any possible
>performance?  Just for fun, as it were?
> 
> ...
>
>But let's go back to the plain old score on its own.  Is it worth studying?

     The absence of *any* possible performance?  Well, if a score (or a 
script, to keep this vaguely related to books) exists at all there must be
some remote possibility that somebody somewhere will get a bee in his/her
bonnet and try to perform the thing.  But that's just a quibble, I see your
point.

     I think scripts and scores are essentially stand-alone objects in cases
where the probability of performance, while never nil, is still extremely low.
There's a great deal of 20th century music I would like to hear but won't
because it was performed once at a premier subsidized by a grant and then
never played again.  Likewise obscure Romantics, and Classical composers
who were not Beethoven or Mozart or Haydn.  Likewise renaissance music, for
which I have a special fondness: volumes and volumes and volumes of lute tab
that may not be performed or recorded again until the *next* renaissance,
if there's ever going to be one.  Likewise stacks and stacks of unperformed
plays.  Suppose for some inexplicable reason I wanted to become conversant
with the Beaumont and Fletcher corpus.  I could be an old man with owls etc.
in his beard before ever stumbling onto performances of these.  What alter-
native do I have but to read them?  The simple fact is that there is mon-
strously more material in ms than there is in the active repertoire -- 
especially since those with the resources to *do* productions waste their
time on the umpty zillionth rerun of _Carmen_ ....


    As for Shakespeare in read-only form, that's silly.  Of course if I
were a high-school lit teacher (which Ghod forefend) I would teach him
with text *and* recordings *and* videos *and*, if I could arrange it, live
performances.  But I wouldn't *exclude* the written scripts.  An interesting
point for class discussion would be the cuts made in the performances, and
one would need the complete written text to know where these cuts were made
and what they contained.

                                                 -- jf
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:36:17 GMT

In article <cmp0136.718987750@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk> cmp0136@sys.uea.ac.uk (P. Arnold) writes:
>
>>>I wonder what would happen if the British and the Irish military decided handed
>>>in to work on a peaceful resolution to the Northern Irsih problem.
>>>
>
>>Oh, you can't write English either?
>
>That's not very nice.

No, but I can not make any sense out of this statement.

>>Bullshit.  6 was the number over which there was a comfortable unionist 
>>majority.  At least 2 and maybe 4 of these counties had Nationalist
>>majorities.
>
>Could someone explain this?  How can there be a Unionist and a Nationalist
>majority in the same county??

The counties of Fermanagh and Tyrone had Nationalist majorities.  Large parts 
of Derry and Armagh had Nationalist majorities, with the counties themsleves
having slight unionist majorites.  The majority of Unionists were in the 
populous counties of Antrim and Down.  The border, a meandering line which
had ahd no previous significence, was engineered to create a statelet with
a comfortable, artificial, unionist majority.  Originally, they wanted to
make Ulster the statelet, but the large Nationalist majorities in Donegal,
Cavan, and Monaghan, would not have allowed so stable a unionist majority.
The Boundary commission was supposed to redraw the border after the treaty,
so that the nationalist areas north of the border, and a few unionist areas
to the south could be put in the right state, but at that stage the Unionist
delegation, with the support of Foster, the neutral South African chairman 
of the boundary commission, wanted no changes to their comfortably large
statelet, and the commission made very minor changes that were not considered
worth making.  So the border remains as is, with the resultant trouble.


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From: RWG@buc.edu.au (Rod Griffin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Roy Harper a British singing icon
Keywords: Harper
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:19:53 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.8.8

Could anyone tell me what Roy is up to these days. I have most of his LP's 
but they are just about impossible to get in Oz. I would appreciate any info.
Cheers,
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:35:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

[...re the social economic costs of paying welfare for workers made
unemployed and how it'd sometimes be cheaper to subsidise them ibn their
current jobs...]

>However, I question the criteria used for closure.  In simple
>economist's jargon, I believe that the financial criteria should include
>the externals, both cost and benefit, as well as the internals.
>Applying *my* criteria, the coal industry should be supported at
>present because the TOTAL cost of closure is actually higher than the
>total cost of staying open.  The catch, which is why the Government
>doesn't see it my way, is that the internal book-keeping indicates
>that, for the coal industry in isolation, it is cheaper to close the
>pits.  

>The added costs which tip the balance in my favour (by my accounting)
>are external to the industry itself -- increased unemployment benefit
>spending and decreased tax revenue, both made worse by traditional
>market multiplier effects -- and so don't show up in British Coal's
>balance sheets.  They do, however, come directly out of MY pocket.

Libertarian ideas would cover this situation. It's part of the theory to
make the external costs internal. For instance, rather than welfare
there might be unemployment insurance and charities.

In the above situation, an insurer, rather than pay out money to have
someone unemployed, might offer to pay the employer a retainer to keep
someone employed until a recruiting agency, hired by the insurer, had
found alternative employment. It'd depend on the insurer's own
calculation of minimum cost, which would pretty much match the equation
you are alluding to above.

Charities, having also to manage their own budgets, might do the same.
It might depend on whether the remit of the charity was "Save the
British Miner" or "Help the Uninsured".

>The only thing that surprises me, Jon, is that given your frequently
>expressed concern about how the Government wastes 'my' money, you don't
>accept the method I suggest of saving some of it.  Is it the figures,
>or the principle, which you doubt?

In the scenario you propose, there's a hidden "external" cost in that
the person being subsidised in situ is no longer available for other
work and the subsidy must therefore continue indefinitely.

>-- 
>Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK

FoFP
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Betting on the Prez
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:37:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Oct10.013703.1651
Organization: National University of Singapore

jac54@cas.org () writes:
: 
: 	Anybody know what odds Ladbrokes are offering on
: 	Bush/Quayle vs. Clinton/Gore (for the Presidential
: 	election of course.)?
:
	Clinton 4 to 1 on
	Bush 5 to 2
	Perot 25 to 1
	Source ECONOMIST 10-16 OCtober 1992

	Are 'Mercans allowed to bet on this. If so waht are teh rates
there?

Richard Pennell, History, NUS

 
: 	Alec Chambers
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Clew or Clue ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.232604.12039@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:
>However, it is worth noting that a handful of non-American English spellings
>have gradually succumbed to the floodtime of merkanisms over the years.  I
>still try to use connexion, reflexion, inflexion, complexion...

On the other hand some British spellings and usages are becoming common in
the U.S. - "grey" and "colour", for instance, especially in upscale
clothing advertisements.

>If only the Danes and the Normans had stayed at home and minded their own
>business we might still be able to write proper English!

Take a look at modern Frisian if you'd like to see how Anglo-Saxon might
have evolved.  Or Dutch, if Frisian is hard to find.  I remember seeing
posters in the Hague for two plays by "Willem" Shakespeare: "De Storm" and
"Wat U Wilt".  I think the Normans did our language a big favor (favour?).

Barbara Vaughan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Alan.Wigodski@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Wigodski)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:43:27 GMT

Leicester=(Lester)

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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Cities with 7 hills
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:11:30 GMT

In article <DBROOKS.92Oct16174951@penge.osf.org> dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>burgess@hri.com (Stephen Burgess) writes:
>> Bath in Avon is also surrounded by 7 hills, isn't it?
>
>Ah!!!  Now we're getting somewhere.
>
>Consider: Bath is one of the few cities that was probably in existence in
>John's time.  It is suspiciously close to Glastonbury, favourite vacation
>spot of Joseph of Arimathea.
>
>Its Latin name is Aquae Sulis, an anagram of QUALE IS USA, proving George
>Bush will be struck down on November 1 (All Saint's Day) and the
>Fundamentalist VP will reign for exactly 100 days (the term runs out on
>January 20).
>
>Saddam Hussein, the most fashionable Antichrist, runs the Bath Party.
>
>Avon backwards is Nova, a punning reference to (a) the New Heaven and the
>New Earth (b) a cataclysm of thermonuclear proportions.
>
>Well, I'm convinced.

Finally, a bit of logic and reason.  The Dan Quayle thing is really
scary tho.  I may have to leave the country again.


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