From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Adolescent Questions
Organization: Monash University
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:42:36 GMT

kh (KHATCH@130.187.170.178) wrote:
: In <1992Sep10.010629.21435@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> Sascha,
> 
>     You seem to speak with an aire of ultimate authority about this subject.

Woups, don't mean to sound arrogant !

> This puzzles me. You have mentioned that you have never had an OBE, yet you
> give authoritative instructions and explanations that contradict, often
> drastically, the experiences of those who have regualr OBEs. May I ask what is
> the source of your information?  I don't mean to flame, really. Everyone's

Please do ask, though I have mentioned it before. As for FLAMING, I like the 
term. Suggests something to do with purification with fire and Satan, neither
of which I believe in, but I DO find the suggestion amusing. (excuse the aside)
As for constructive criticism, I totally agree with it, so do so when ever you
feel it is warranted. 

> beliefs are their own property. I just believe that people should give higher
> precedence to direct experience. 

AH ! the scientific view. I agree with this also, though some things we cannot
experience for ourselves, so we take someone elses word for it. Also, we 
interpret our experience in OUR way, so it may not relate exactly to the truth 
of the matter.

Anyway, enough of the somewhat sarcastic comments on my part (just the mood 
I am in)

Lets address the questions.

> 
> -kh

I regularly go to something called ESOTERIC LECTURES (in our circles). 
"Regularly" meaning every fourtnight for two hours. In these Lectures, a
person by the name of George Eldred goes into deep trance and his Guides
come through to give a lecture (one guide at a time). The lecture lasts
for maybe an hour, and after that the floor is thrown open to questions. 
The topics covered vary widely.
Included topics are Astral Traveling and Dreams. Others relate to 
life in general, on our side and the one we live once we have passed over.
	What I have heard thus far, makes a lot of sense, and I find these
lectures to be of the highest calibre, and authentic. Most of what I say 
about the oobe topic, stemms from these lectures. Ofcourse, what I say is 
my interpretation of what I heard, and what the guides say is their 
interpretation of what they experienced. I suppose that is why they tell
us to only accept for ourselves what sits right with us, and nothing else.
I certainly extend that suggestion to all of you. In addition though, I would
argue that the experiences of discarnate entities are somewhat less adultarated
by a limited human mind (which they haven't got in their state). Hence I value
their experience more than that of others.
 	I agree, that perhaps I contradict the experiences that some people
have described,	but the point I am making, is that these people have created
their own experiences simply by having a thought/belief about a topic. As I
said before, thought rules on the astral plane. If you think you don't have
a silver chord, then you won't see it. If you think you need a vortex to get
about, then you will need it. In relation to the vortex, the author from 
whom I get this concept (ie someone writing to this news group) even suggested
that if he thinks about the place he wants the vortex to take him to, then
perhaps it will. Not having heard from him again about this idea, I don't 
know how it worked out, but I expect it did work for him. Further I would
suggest that he doesn't need a vortex at all, he just needs to think about
the place he wants to go, and he will go there. Also there is the gentleman
who asked his guides to pull him from his body. And there was some sort of 
result.
	To cut a long story short, what I am presenting is what I would call
an unadulterated view, presented first to me by entities who have 100%
control of what they are doing. Admittedly what you get from me is second
hand, and subsequently subject to MY interpretation. To get this info first
hand, I encourage you all to see out YOUR guides and get what knowledge you
require from them. And once you have it, you have the opportunity to
prove what was said to you for yourself (to some extent at least - for not
all knowledge is accessible from the astral plane - not directly anyway)

	I hope that has answered some of your questions. Fell free to FLAME me
some more. (insert the term "constructive criticism" if you prefer it).

As one of the enities giving lectures (commonly refered to as the Rabbi)
say "If you have learned one thing from comming here tonight, then I have 
learned many" - just goes to show that they don't know everything either.

all the best
	Sascha
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