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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:32:25 CDT
Reply-To:     "(Bill Green)" <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Swiss problem
Comments: To: "(Genealogy Discussion List)" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

I've run into a problem and wonder if anyone has any suggestions.

The problem is one Frederick Hediger (my ggrandfather).  From census records
and his death certificate, I know he was born in Switzerland (place
unknown) on 27 Apr 1846.  He died in Centralia, Illinois, 11 Dec 1918.
In between, he married Anna Marie Nolder, born 3 Oct 1856 in Le Clair, Iowa,
and had a daughter (my grandmother) Lucille Dorothy Hediger, 29 Jun 1895,
in Centralia, Illinois.  The IRAD has searched the naturalization records
for Marion County (Centralia), and found nothing.  The blanks for parents
on his death certificate were blank, and I can't find a town or canton
listed anywhere.  Any suggestions on further research?

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From: eric@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Eric Majani)
Subject: World War I Navy records
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:49:27 GMT

One of my ancestors died in WWI in France, on 10/05/1917.
All I know is his age (37), name, and that he was in the Navy.

How do I go about finding any kind of military information
about him, where he is buried, when did he join, ... ?

Any help would be really apreciated. Thanks!

-Eric Majani
From: kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: naturalization
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:19:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Yes, I had the same experience. Both my grandfather's
declaration of intent and final papers gave his name, 
the fact that he was born in Germany, and nothing else.

Jerry
From: Lynn.Olivier@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Lynn Olivier)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Apology Addressing Prob
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:11:00 -0600

To: Newsgroups: soc.roots
Reply to: Lynn.Olivier@tdkt.ttsys.com

Please excuse my message on the newsgroup addressed to Brad Green. My
netmail suddenly was not picked up by the qwk packer on this very well
established BBS as mine.  Therefore I have to manually search for my
name in the Netmail.  Last week I started getting the message
that my netmail replies were being tossed out. So when I saw that
Brad Green's unfinished reply had been uploaded but not sent I did not
try to edit it on line believing it had been erased only to find out
today that those messages were actually going out. I have advised the
sysop of the problem and will manually scan my reply packet once it is
uploaded until this problem is fixed. I want to thank all the fine folks
who contribute info to this great echo and those who have helped me
personally.
My apologies to Jo-Rune in Norway who probably got two or more copies of
my messages to her I did recieve your Netmail reply today and will be
trying to send you another Netmail on Monday morning 10/12.
Lynn

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From: daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: How to get Started
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:37:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
In-reply-to: jstahley@qualcomm.com's message of 30 Sep 92 14:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.143525.28107@qualcomm.com> jstahley@qualcomm.com (Joseph E. Stahley III) writes:
	I want to try to trace my family roots,How do I get started?

	Can anybody suggest what type of software to use for a Mac?

	I could also use a list of resources to locate the different information,I
	would need.

	Also I would like to join this list.

	Thanks,

	JSTAHLEY@QUALCOMM.COM

The best place to start is with your immediate family.  Ask your parents,
grandparents, what they know.  Family reunions are a good time to ask 
questions of relatives you don't see very often.  Keep notes of *anything*
you learn.  There are also lots of good books on genealogy research and
record keeping at most public libraries.

I use Reunion on the Mac to keep track of my work.  I tried demo copies
 of Norgen (Amiga), Family History File (Mac) and MacRoots (I think) 
several years ago before I bought Reunion.  FHF felt like a quick port
from MSDOS and I don't remember anything about MacRoots.  Reunion is
an excellent program.  It's based on HyperCard so it's not incredibly
speedy (but you never have to remember to save your data!)  Hypercard
and SuperCharts comes with the package.  It does
pedigree and descendant charts.  It will label relationships based on
a designated individual (ie. parents, grandparents, 1st cousins, 
whatever).  Unlike most programs, it uses families rather than individuals
as the base unit.  You can navigate between individuals in a family by 
clicking on their name or you can use the alphabetized index.  You
can also attach digitized pictures to individuals and have them show
up on the screen or on your printout.  (I haven't actually tried this
since I don't have any pictures yet.)  If you later decide to use
some other program,  it will export and import Gedcom files.  It even
has an appendix in the back that walks you through the process.  It
doesn't have a way to deal with "maybe" relatives but you can put
"strangers" in as unlinked families then later link them in when you
figure out how they fit.  It also allows you to label children as
twins, adopted, or illegitimate.  Children can be linked to more than
one family (say their natural parents and their adopted parents).  This
relationship is obvious when viewed on the screen but it can be a bear
to understand when you finally print it out.  
Reunion was ~$150 when I bought it and they (Leister Productions) usually 
advertise in the "Classified Market" section of MacWeek or MacUser.
--

\__ __/          Debora    daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           \__ __/
   T any opinions expressed are mine, not necessarily my employers T
From: Stephen.Griffin@bdragon.fidonet.org (Stephen Griffin)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: FIDOnet <-> UseNet connection
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:06:00 GMT

Hello Fred!

In a msg of <09 Oct 92>, Fred Rump from home writes to All:


 FRfh> @EID:98b3 19497a60
 FRfh> @PTH @Usenet 1:322/401.0@Fidonet
 FRfh> @MSGID: 1:322/401.0 2f9345d5
 FRfh> @REPLY: 1:322/401.0 7dfc8d18
 FRfh> From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
 FRfh> Path:
 FRfh> jjmhome!transfer!m2c!nic.umass.edu!caen!destroyer!ncar!csn!ub!dsinc!cd
 FRfh> in-1!icdi10!fr Newsgroups: soc.roots Subject: Re: FIDOnet <-> UseNet
 FRfh> connection Organization: CompuData Inc.
 FRfh> @Message-ID: <1992Oct9.151939.24662@compu.com>
 FRfh> @References: <718520042.0@bdragon.fidonet.org>
 FRfh> Date: 9 Oct 92 15:19:39 GMT

 FRfh> John.Pimentel@bdragon.fidonet.org (John Pimentel) writes:

 >> NOTICE:   user.name@BDRAGON.FIDONET.ORG DOES NOT WORK

 >> is to be readdressed and mailed to:

 >> user.name@f315.n322.z1.fidonet.org

 FRfh> The best defense against this kind of problem is to 'always' include
 FRfh> your preferred address in your signature. I don't think many of will
 FRfh> remember the above admonition if we ever feel the need to respond to
 FRfh> something.

I am trying to get an MX record... once I do people will be able to send mail to any of my addresses but until then... no dice...

 FRfh> Fred
 FRfh> --
 FRfh> W. Fred Rump   office:    fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so
 FRfh> big 26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his
 FRfh> littleness' Beverly, NJ. 08010                             Don Marquis
 FRfh>  609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr

 FRfh> -!- Fred-Uf 1.8k
 FRfh>  ! Origin: Black Dragon Inn Fidonet/Internet Gateway (1:322/401.0)
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 FRfh> @PATH: 322/401


stephen.griffin@f401.n322.z1.fidonet.org

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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:00:49 -0400
Reply-To:     "(Norbert Bambach)" <usr4656a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "(Norbert Bambach)" <usr4656a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tree program for HP-GL plotters?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

More on COMMSOFT's plotting program:
   RPLOT uses the database file generated by ROOTS III.  It does not use
GEDCOM to get its data, although ROOTS III, in conjunction with another
COMMSOFT utility, can generate GEDCOM output.  RPLOT is also a Windows-
based program, and is therefore not limited to HP plotters.  Charts can be
reproduced on any printing device supported by Windows.
   Two forms of charts are available:
     1. Pedigree chart (individual and all his/her ancestors).
        This chart follows the familiar "sideways tree pattern", which
        looks like:
                         father of person A
                        |--------------------
       person A         |
     -------------------|
                        |mother of person A
                        |--------------------
     and so on for each person.
     2. Direct Drop Chart- direct link between 2 people  at each end
        of a direct lineage (siblings printed optionally).
My own charts created with a CAD program use the "fan" chart format
(just a personal preference; RPLOT output would be preferred by many).
COMMSOFT's toll-free ph.#: (800) 327-6687  (They are in California.)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:33:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Everton's Genealogical Helper and their information on line
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

My Semtember-October issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper arrived
yesterday (early in the even-numbered months rather than middle), and
with very diligent searching I WAS able to find the information about
on-line access to their roots files.  If nobody posts the information
prior to tomorrow (Thursday), I'll try to remember to bring it to the
office and share it, BUT in general, one must call their number (NOT
available by e-mail), so long-distance charge, are limited to two
calls per day, AND there is a subscrption fee of $7-8 per month (IF I
remember correctly).  SO this is an introductory comment.....  more
later if somebody does not already post the information.  For those
of you who subscribe to the magazine, the information is not listed
in the table of contents, but briefly mentioned in the computer column,and
more details on the "inserts", which are the advertisements (etc.) in
the center, all dealing with products, services, etc., of Everton's.
--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH--
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:46:30 EDT
Reply-To:     Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Arkansas - NOBIN or NOBEN

To anyone in Arkansas -

  I'm looking for the last name NOBEN or NOBIN

  They are Swedish and emmigrated in the late 1800s.  If you find
any names/addresses/telephone nos., please send directly to me.

Thanks for your help.

Theresa Wild
twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:49:00 CDT
Reply-To:     NORMAN%MACALSTR.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
From:         NORMAN%MACALSTR.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject:      Montjoys
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I'm at an impasse in my attempts to locate Montjoy ancestors before 1800.
In Kentucky, where we are from, there are Montjoys and Mountjoys.  As near
as I can tell there isn't any connection, here or in Ireland where at least
the Mountjoys are from--Northern Ireland.  The Montjoy name can be Irish,
French, Norman French, French-Canadian or English.  Presumably it got its
start as Charlemagne's battle cry from a hill of that name where Charlemagne
pitched his tent.

My question isn't so much genealogical as historical.  Is there anyone out
there, especially in Canada, who knows of a nest of Montjoys dating back
into the eighteenth century?  Our progenitor is a Jared Montjoy who may
have come from Canada, but none of us has ever been able to find the
connection.

Charles Norman
norman@macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick)
Subject: Re: Everton's Genealogical Helper and their information on line
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:53:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <01GPNX2LGNEC000F24@CC.OWU.EDU> JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU writes:

> If nobody posts the information
>prior to tomorrow (Thursday), I'll try to remember to bring it to the
>office and share it, BUT in general, one must call their number (NOT
>available by e-mail), so long-distance charge, are limited to two
>calls per day, AND there is a subscrption fee of $7-8 per month (IF I
>remember correctly).  

I brought my issue with me to the office today.  You can call 801/443-6325
and ask to talk to someone about the On-line Search.  I subscribed over the 
phone using my Amex card.  

Subscriptions come in 6 mo and 12 mo flavors.  

	6 mo - $79.50 ($13.25 mo)
	12 mo - $119.50 ($9.95 mo)

You get 30 minutes a day, but can call every day if you wish.

My sister is sharing the subscription with me (she's paying for one month).
If you're interested in sharing with me too, please send email.  I'm going to
try it out tonight so stay tuned for a review.

Jean
suplick@convex.com
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Sat, 17 Oct 1992 10:05:03 SST
Reply-To:     Richard Pennell <HISCRP@NUSVM.BITNET>
From:         Richard Pennell <HISCRP@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      LIST MEMBERSHIP

     I'm not sure I understand how Sven got his figures for list
membership of Roots-l. I just called up the review file and got the
following answer:

*  Country        Subscribers
*  -------        -----------
*  Australia          7
*  Austria            1
*  Brazil             1
*  Canada            19
*  Chile              1
*  Costa Rica         1
*  Finland            2
*  France             5
*  Germany            6
*  Great Britain      4 [but see note 4 below]
*  Ireland            1
*  Netherlands        5
*  New Zealand        1
*  Norway             3
*  Singapore          1 [me!]
*  Sweden             4
*  USA              519
*  ???                7
*
* Total number of "concealed" subscribers:         5
* Total number of users subscribed to the list:  588
(non-"concealed" only)
* Total number of countries represented:          18
(non-"concealed" only)
* Total number of local node users on the list:    2
(non-"concealed" only)
*

A number of points.
1. The way to do this for yourself is to send the following
_message_ to LISTSERV@NDSUVM1
Review Roots-l countries

***NB DO NOT, PLEASE DON'T SEND IT TO THE LIST i.e. DO NOT SEND THE
MESSAGE TO ROOTS-L@NDSUVM1, PLEASE****

2. The review file seems to have been reorganised. It now lists
everyone under their respective countries. So all the French
subscribers are under France, All the USA subscribers are under USA

3. It does NOT list the people who filter in from SOC.ROOTS - this
means that, for example the South African contingent (Messrs Hayes
& Strydom and who knows who else?) are not there. I don't know if
it's possible to get a similar review for the soc.roots, but as it
is UNIX/Internet based probably not (anythign connected with UNIX
seems to be designed to be as un-userfirendly as possible)

4. As someone who comes from the place, I OBJECT to my country
being listed as "Great Britain" Its proper name is "The United
Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland" i.e NI is not part of
GB. and one of the subscribers at least is from NI. Could someone
please put this right? Call it UK if you can't break it down (& definitely NOT
"ENGLAND"!)

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Clayton Library open 11/27?
Originator: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:26:00 GMT


I'll be in Houston over Thanksgiving. Does anyone know whether the
Clayton Genealogical Library will be open Nov. 25, 27, and 28, and if
so, what hours?

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Hesse emigration records
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:56:31 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU writes:

>Jennifer Montague-Post asked for a response from anyone who knows if
>Hesse, in fact, "kept its own emigration records".....  Please, if anyone
>has this information, please post it to the entire net, not just directly
>to Jennifer.    Thanks....!! Jim Freed, Delaware, OH

OK, I wrote to Jennifer as her request was limited to Darmstadt I pointed her 
to write to the Hessian Genealogical Society there:

Hessische Familiengeschichtliche Vereinigung
Staatsarchiv
W-6100 Darmstadt
 
I suggested the enclosure of two IR coupons as this is a private group.

The State Archive is kept in Wiesbaden:

Hauptstaatsarchiv
Mainzerstrasse 80
W-6200 Wiesbaden

Another possible Hessen source would be the Lutheran Church archives:

Evangelische Kirche in Hessen und Nassau
Paulusplatz 1
W-6100 Darmstadt



Best of luck

Fred


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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: Re:      1920 Census
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:41:41 GMT
Reply-To: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina




>> 1. Can someone tell me if the 1920 census has an index?

      Yes, the 1920 census has a Soundex index on microfilm. If your library	
      doesn't have it, they can usually order it for you.

>> 2. Can anyone tell me any variations in the surname "EGNOR".

      You might try ENGOR. Just a guess


 Researching:
 -----------
    CAHOON, CAMPBELL, CHELRK, DAVIDSON, DILLON, DOUGHTY, ENDSLEY, FISHER,
    FOHRER, GOSZKOWSKI, HARGER, HENDERSON, HOLMES, HUGGINS, JACKE, KAWA,
    LEONARD, LOWDER, PHILLIPS, PIEKLO, SNODGRASS, STERNICK, STONE, WAGNER,
    WASNIOWSKI, WEAVER, YOCKEY



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I speak only for myself        |       Battle of Fredricksburg, VA  Dec. 1862
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From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Two Marriage Ceremonies??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:56:48 GMT

dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett) writes:

>In some gedcom data I have, the following occurs:

>Issac STARBIRD marries Sarah D. Dennett on 21 Sept, 1836 in Lewiston, ME.
>Issac STARBIRD marries Sarah H. Dennett on 5 Sept, 1836 in Litchfield, ME.

>I'm wondering if these might be the same people or 4 separate people.
>The middle initial differs for Sarah and the dates a a couple of weeks apart.

If this came from the IGI, it's quite likely that it's the same event.
I've found many like this in my research.  At least it points you in 
the right direction to nail down the correct information by other means.
Very often that's far more than you had in the first place.

 ========================================================================
 |             Don Wiggins     wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu              |
 |----------------------------------------------------------------------|
 |Researching WIGGINS, STALEY, HALL, BIRKHIMER, MCINTIRE, STEPHENSON,   |
 |REED, COWDEN, ELSON, ALBIN, JENKINS, GREENTREE, PREBLE, TEAGARDEN,    |
 |HUNLEY, (and for my wife): CHANCE, PARK, MUNRO, BRANDON, DIETRICH     |
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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Latin Anyone?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2602.2ADDB36D
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <13 Oct 1992 20:59> The Not So Tall Adventurer (5:7104/2) said to All :

 TNSTA>Someone already translated this, so I won't even try to do 
 TNSTA>that.  But I am
 TNSTA>curious about one thing--why is this document of the Greek 
 TNSTA>Orthodox Church
 TNSTA>written in Latin?  I thought that Greek Orthodoxy had 
 TNSTA>maintained the use of
 TNSTA>Greek in all things.  ??  Certainly someone out there knows 
 TNSTA>more about this
 TNSTA>than I do (seeing as I know very little about it).

Probably because the event took place in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, also 
known as the Holy Roman Empire. Before secular registration of vital events, 
church certificates would be accepted as evidence of birth, marriage etc. For 
state officials to read them, a Latin transaltion wuold be needed, no matter 
what language the original register was in. And if it was in the 
Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Orthodox Church concerned would probably have 
been Slavic (the names were Slavic), and so would not have used Greek at all. 
The "Greek" in the term "Greek Orthodox Church" does not necessarily mean the 
language spoken, but the theological tradition. Until 1970 the Orthodox Church 
planted in North America by Russian missionaries was known as the "Russian 
Orthodox Greek Catholic Church of North America".



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