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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Canon Available for Downloading
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:47:58 GMT


	Aside from the resources mentioned at world.std.com, there is also a
substantial amount of Sherlockian information available on Sherlocktron, a
computer BBS dedicated to things Holmesian.  The BBS includes articles on
scion societies (and might be a good source of information for folks looking
for scions in their areas), publications, sellers of Sherlockian collectibles
(Christmas *is* coming up!), and vast quantities of Sherlockian papers.
	You can also download Sherlocktron's "Sherlockian Magazine of the
Air", a Canonical publication distributed only via computer.
	The Sherlocktron phone numbers and so on are:
714-492-0724 (data) 300/1200/2400, N81
714-368-6914 (voice)
714-992-0981 (fax)
72175,1376 (CompuServe)
	I have no connection with Sherlocktron myself, but I thought this 
information might be useful.
Chuck
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
From: credmond@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Redmond)
Subject: Re: local groups
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:57:30 GMT

In article <lj17htINN5pu@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>If any of you know, I'd appreciate the information.  Is there any local California
>bay area groups who center on Holmes, in terms of books or whatever?

The leading group is The Scowrers and Molly Maguires. 
Contact Ted Schulz, 180 Muont Lassen Drive, San Rafael 94903.

As I think I've mentioned before, I would be glad to try to
provide the address of a local group, or at least a nearby
enthusiast, for any area -- drop me a note any time.

CAR
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
From: ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes & Adrian Conan Doyle
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:05:11 -0500

In article <1992Dec9.133143.14829@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> Adrian Conan Doyle, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's youngest son, wrote
> some Sherlock Holmes stories that are collected in a book
> called "The Exploits of Sherlock Holmes" they are very good.

Actually, he co-authored them with John Dickson Carr.  And while they
aren't bad, to me they don't really capture the flavour of the original
stories.  In one of the stories, Holmes tells Mrs. Hudson to go out and
whistle for a cab.  Now, just try and picture MRS HUDSON, of all people,
WHISTLING for a cab!  The mind boggles! ;-)
From: oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: S.H. trivia
Keywords: duh
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:28:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

OK, trivia time.  Name the S.H. stories with colors (or colours)
in the title.  There are about a dozen, depending on how you
count a few probably unfair ones.

There is no entry deadline and no prize, but no salespersons
will call.  You must be over 2 to enter. 


Derek Wills 
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 
oo7@emx.utexas.edu
From: owens@acsu.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: Canon Available for Downloading
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:25:56 GMT
Organization: UB
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Alan Bradley (bradley@jester.usask.ca) wrote:
>	Remember that the entire Canon is available for downloading from
>
>	world.std.com
>
>	where it is to be found in the directory /obi/Misc/Books/Doyle.

Actually, it's in a couple of directories under /obi/Doyle, the other
file is just a list of books. However, this copy is the one which has
been floating around for a while, and it should be taken with at least
two caveats. First, it contains numerous scanning errors, and possibly
even dropped lines/paragraphs/etc. Second, its copyright status is at
best cloudy, and in all likelihood parts are in violation.

That having been said, I am currently working with the Project
Gutenberg folks to research the copyright status of the stories, and
once they've been 'cleared' to proofread and edit the online copies,
and release them in the Project's collection. This has been a larger
project than I first anticipated, so I suppose this is as good a time
as any to ask for help.

The first step in clearing the books is finding copies which were
printed in the United States before 1917 (soon to be 1918; ie., 75
years ago).  Then we have to verify that the online copies are actually
the same stories (not too hard). Finally, each online copy has to be
checked for the inevitable errors.

The problem that I've run into is that the copyright status of the
stories is apparently rather confused. I gather from what I've been
able to find that a substantial amount of piracy was going on in the US
at the time of the original publications (1890-1920) and some of the
copies may actually have been illegal at that time. This makes them
useless for proving the stories current status. So in addition to the
difficulty of finding old paper copies of the stories, we have the
problem of making sure that they are legitimate ones.

I'm hoping that the Holmes experts here will be able to shed some light
on this situation, because my research so far has been of limited
success. Information about the supposed piracy, whereabouts of copies
of pre-1918 books, and volunteers for proofing are all welcome...

Bill.
Bill Owens                                              owens@acsu.buffalo.edu
104E Computing Center                             uunet!acsu.buffalo.edu!owens
Buffalo, NY 12460                                                 716/645-3511
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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Jeremy Brett as Holmes
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:20:15 GMT

MORE ON BRETT

My source confirms that Brett will star in "The
Blackmailer", a two-hour film based on "The Adventure
of Charles Augustus Milverton".  It will probably be
shown in March (maybe during the fund drive season).
He has also heard Grenada is working on "The Sussex
Vampire", possibly for late 1993 release.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Jeremy Brett as Holmes
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

As a Holmes fan I always enjoyed Jeremy Brett's portrayal of Holmes
on PBS's mystery.  I felt he was true to the character.  Has anyone
heard if there will be more Holmes adventures with Jeremy Brett.

Also, does anyone know anything about any other work Jeremy Brett has
done?  Movies, T.V?  or anything about the man at all.  I have only
seen him as Holmes and read nothing of him in periodicals.  Thanks for
any info.

Barbara G.
From: bradley@jester.usask.ca (Alan Bradley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Canon Available for Downloading
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca


	Remember that the entire Canon is available for downloading from

	world.std.com

	where it is to be found in the directory /obi/Misc/Books/Doyle.
From: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM (Albert Handa)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Holmes and others
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:33:54 GMT
Reply-To: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: night.corp.sun.com


So, forgive me if this is an old thread, but how do you all think Holmes stacks up
against other famous detectives?

Al
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: local groups
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:42:35 GMT

Is Sherlock's Home still in business?  When I lived in
the area in the 1970s they were located in Jack London
Square.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: Who the hell is Solar Pons?
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:35:07 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa

In article <Dec.18.10.46.16.1992.22036@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:

> I find his Pons pastiches not only the best Holmes pastiches I've ever read
> but also completely benign to the Canon.

  I found the Pons stories to be all plot and no atmosphere, no thrills, nothing
memorable.

misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel
Peace on Earth and good will towards all God's creatures!
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: Canon Available for Downloading
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:50:36 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <BzB6z9.LnA@acsu.buffalo.edu>, owens@acsu.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens) writes:

| The first step in clearing the books is finding copies which were
| printed in the United States before 1917 (soon to be 1918; ie., 75
| years ago).  Then we have to verify that the online copies are actually
| the same stories (not too hard). Finally, each online copy has to be
| checked for the inevitable errors.

  Not to ask a dumb question, but aren't the books covered by the
copyright laws existing at the time rather than current laws for new
material? That is, after they pass into public domain, can they really
be protected again? I don't mean new printings of the stories, but the
originals.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
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From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Re: Holmes and others
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:44:59 GMT

river8@night.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>So, forgive me if this is an old thread, but how do you all think Holmes
>stacks up against other famous detectives?
>
>Al

You may as well ask on comp.sys.ibm.pc which is the best personal computer
to buy...

Holmes is *beyond any doubt* the greatest detective who ever lived. On
the other hand, I think he would have enjoyed the company of Hercule
Poirot, Lord Peter Wimsey, and Nero Wolfe, but he would have undoubtedly
seen character flaws in all three. As Holmes' son, of course, Nero
Wolfe is probably the closest to him.

Of the four, only Wimsey was modest and easily likeable. I'm sure Holmes
would have thought Sam Spade a clod. I can't imagine what he would have
thought of Columbo or Jessica Fletcher.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
From: credmond@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Redmond)
Subject: Re: local groups
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:26:53 GMT

In article <BzGEJu.C99@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> credmond@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca 
(that's me) wrote . . .

>The leading group is The Scowrers and Molly Maguires. 
>Contact Ted Schulz, 180 Muont Lassen Drive, San Rafael 94903.

That's *Mount* Lassen Drive, of course.

I should add that a centre of interest for Bay Area Sherlockians
(so I'm told, never having been there) is the replica of Holmes's
sitting-room that is to be found at the S. Holmes pub in the
Holiday Inn, Union Square.
From: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM (Albert Handa)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: local groups
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: night.corp.sun.com

If any of you know, I'd appreciate the information.  Is there any local California
bay area groups who center on Holmes, in terms of books or whatever?

Al
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
Subject: Re: Who the hell is Solar Pons?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:46:16 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:

>	Pons was no more a "ripoff" of Holmes than any of the other vast
>quantities of Sherlockian pastiches that seem to be turned out by the carload.
>Certainly Derleth wasn't trying to fool anyone into thinking that Pons was
>anything other than a homage to the Canon and its characters.  The obvious
>"Sherlockisms" inserted in the stories are more along the line of affectionate
>tribute than inept plagarism.

More to the point, Pons regularly acknowledged Holmes his superior.  Pons was
himself a Sherlockian, in the world where Holmes lived, and adopted the various
Sherlockisms quite intentionally.

Derleth's sins against Lovecraft are well known, and I dispute few of them, but
I find his Pons pastiches not only the best Holmes pastiches I've ever read
but also completely benign to the Canon.

Basil Copper, on the other hand, I just can't understand.  I don't find his
original works that interesting, let alone a pastiche of a pastiche.


-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
Newsgroups: alt.fan.holmes
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes & Adrian Conan Doyle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:47:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec11.150511.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.133143.14829@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>> Adrian Conan Doyle, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's youngest son, wrote
>> some Sherlock Holmes stories that are collected in a book
>> called "The Exploits of Sherlock Holmes" they are very good.
>
>Actually, he co-authored them with John Dickson Carr.  And while they
>aren't bad, to me they don't really capture the flavour of the original
>stories.  In one of the stories, Holmes tells Mrs. Hudson to go out and
>whistle for a cab.  Now, just try and picture MRS HUDSON, of all people,
>WHISTLING for a cab!  The mind boggles! ;-)
>

Only if you picture Mrs. H. putting her fingers in her mouth and blowing.
Doormen at the major London hotels carried whistles specifically for the
purpose of summoning the next cab from the rank - the cabs had to wait
round the corner, out of sight of the hotel entrance.  I find it quite
reasonable to assume that some private citizens would also have whistles.
Remember, also, that it was assumed that lodgings would provide services
for the tenants (such as meals, laundry, boot cleaning, ...).  I'm sure
that neither Holmes nor Mrs. Hudson would expect Holmes to go and summon
his own cab.
-- 
John Francis                                 johnf@apollo.hp.com
with 9 cats to feed, I don't have time to think up a clever .sig
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Question: LOTR Wizards
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:00:37 GMT

>Kristian Damm Jensen writes:
>>Klaus Ole Kristiansen writes:
>>>Jeff Liss writes:
>>> 
>>>Maybe someone can enlighten me about what the council of wizards'
>>>structure is really like.  Obviously the White is #1 and the Grey
>>>#2 ... but what about Radagast the Red?  How is all that determined?
>>>I don't know if it's every explained.
>> 
>>I think you are mixing up two things here. Saruman the white was
>>head of the order of wizards. No other offices within this order
>>is mentioned anywhere. The other members were Gandalf the grey,
>>Radagast the brown and the two blue wizards. It is said somewhere
>>that these were the cheifs among those wizards who came to the north
>>west of Middle-earth, so presumably there were others. The leader
>>of the order would have been appointed by the Valar.
>
>There were only those five wizards. In unfinished tales their maiar
>names are listed in the telling of the meeting where it is decided to
>send them to Middle-Earth.  Their names are: Saruman-Curumo, Blue
>Wizard #1-Alatar, Gandalf-Olorin, Radagast-Aiwendil, and Blue Wizard
>#2-Pallando.
>

_Unfinished Tales_ specifically says that "Of this Order, the number is
unknown; but of those that came to the north of Middle-earth, ... ,
the chiefs were five."  This says that there are more wizards out there
than just the five.  However, there were five princple wizards only.  The
rest seem to be of lesser stature and are never named.  The first to come
to ME was Saruman-Curumo and he was considered " ... , even by the Eldar,
as head of the Order.  Others there were also: two clad in sea-blue, and 
one in earthen brown; and last came the one who seemed the least, less tall
than the others, and in looks more aged, grey-haired and grey-clad, and 
leaning on a staff."  Later on they are named as Kristian Damm Jensen wrote
above.  Check out the chapter on the Istari in _Unfinished Tales_ for more
details.

Thorongil

Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
From: slogan@mta.ca (GUINNESS)
Subject: Paths of the Dead
Reply-To: slogan@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:24:12 GMT

     The paths of the dead part of LOTR has always confused me. In all the 
numerous times i have read LOTR i have had to reread and concentrate really
hard each time i read this section or i get terribly lost. I dont really 
know why, perhaps because i really didn't understand what what was 
happening, but i think i do, or maybe its becuase of Tolkiens style of 
writing but it always confuses me. 
    I dont mean just the passing through it but until the end if the end 
of 'The Passing Of The Grey Company'. I was just curious if anyone in this
grouphad any further insight into the matter.

S.C.L.

"The dead are following," said Legolas. "I see shapes of Men and of horses,
 and pale banners like shreds of cloud, and spears like winter-thickets on
a misty night. The Dead are following."
From: paulg@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul A Gunderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
Subject: Tolkien a pioneer?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:42:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1g83g6INNcak@access.usask.ca> friesend@jester.usask.ca (Darryl Friesen) writes:
>
>Anyway...  Tolkien was a pioneer. The Hobbit was written over 50 years
>ago and was the first of its kind.  It was wrongly classified as a 
>children's book because the publishers didn't really know what else
>to call it (Tolkien himself denied the Hobbit was a story for children).

_The Hobbit_ is something of a mish-mash.  Tolk often adopted a
story-teller's voice (Now if you, like the dwarves, would like to hear news
of the dragon...) that was condescending.  At other times he let the story
tell itself.  I like these parts much better.

Don't get me wrong, I very much like _The Hobbit_, but I much prefer the
adult _LotR_ and _Silmarillion_.

I think that Tolk's denial of children's story nature of _The Hobbit_ came
after its and _LotR_'s fame.  He did write it for his kids -- none of whom
were young enough to enjoy it by the time he finished.  (Tolk did dislike
some children's literature, beast tales, Hans Christian Anderson, etc., but
not all.)

_The Hobbit_ had precursors in the literary world:

	_The Three Mulla-Mulgars_	Walter de la Mare
	_The Princess and Curdie_	George MacDonald
	_Alice in Wonderland_		Lewis Carroll

to name a few.

>------------------------------------------------------------
>Darryl Friesen            | Department of Computing Services
>friesenda@sask.usask.ca   | University of Saskatchewan
>------------------------------------------------------------
>"  One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
>   One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
> In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie"              - J.R.R.Tolkien

----
Paul Gunderson
paulg@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: seurer@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Bill Seurer)
Subject: Re: Tolkien a Racist?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:07:37 GMT
Reply-To: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <Bz4v2s.80K@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish) writes:
|> Leaving that to the side, there is still the issue of Tolkien's
|> ranking of his human races. Clearly the Elves are at the top of the
|> heap. The closer it is to the Valar, the better or more superior the
|> race. However, as James has pointed out, those races closer to the
|> divine are characterised as 'blond, blue-eyed' wonders, while the
|> unfortunate Easterlings and Southrons are dark and swarthy. In all
|> honesty, I think we have in these chacracterisations some evidence of
|> an underlying racism in Tolkien's worldview. 

While I won't dispute much of your post, part of this paragraph is flatly
wrong.  It is a common misconception that elves are blond and blue eyed.
Yet blondness was very rare among elves.  The family in which Galadriel
falls was the only one that had blond hair.

Check out the descriptions of the elves.  I did one time and it was
specifically mentioned that blond hair was unusual (in the Silmarillion
I believe).  If I remember I will dig out the references tonight.
-- 

- Bill Seurer     Language and Compiler Development      IBM Rochester, MN
  Internet: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com    America On-Line: BillSeurer@aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
From: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Tolkien a Racist?
Reply-To: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:47:23 GMT

in some article or other, Jim C. wrote:
You can't assume that just because most works of fantasy now
have racial hierarchies of good and evil that that is in any way a _necessary_
convention that Tolkien had to adhere to.  Tolkien _formed_ these generic
(meaning pertaining to the genre) conventions--  they didn't just appear
out of nowhere.  In fact, I don't think it's really possible to talk about the
genre of "fantasy" before Tolkien wrote--  it didn't really exist yet.


I would argue that point.
Fantasy existed, but it was called other names.  Mainly Mythology, and
folklore.  It has already beenstated many times on this newsgroup that
Tolkien drew from these sources.  If you examine these sources, you will
find that there are many with different races and groups of people that
were considered 'evil' or savage.  Say the lotus eaters from the Oddessy
for exapmle.

And as usual, you missed the point of the persons response to you.  "Neither
it's fantasy, Jim." means lighten up.  As much as we love this, does it 
really matter?  :)

Take Care,
Rich
From: arzheim@goofy (Kai Arzheimer )
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
Subject: Re: Machines named by Tolkien's characters
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:44:54 GMT
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Don't flame me if that was already said but:
our old campus-network consisted of Gandalf-modems connected to a concentrator box
with big letters on it reading GANDALF. They are replacing it now with ethernet - 
what a shitty name :(


--
* Kai Arzheimer                                           *
* arzheimer@mzdmza.zdv.uni-mainz.de                       *
* arzheim@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de                          *
* "It's life Jim - but not as we know it." -Dr. L. McCoy  *
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Tolkien a Racist?
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:35:14 GMT

I agree that there's some very dubious stuff about race in Tolkien 
(especially, IMHO, the stuff about the superiority of the Numenorian-
derived humans), but when Treebeard describes cross-breeding humans
and orcs as "a great evil", I thought it was because the result would
be more dangerous sort of orc, not because of any horror at cross-
breeding.

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

n(
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