HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold)
Subject: Re: PETITIONING WORK TO BE DONE - 39 LIBERTARIAN STATES
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.173956.26832@esd.dl.nec.com> mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee) writes:
   27 Aug 92  06:40:24
	   STATUS OF PETITIONING FOR MARROU/LORD TICKET

   States where petitioning is going on or could be going on [5]:

		 required   collected   est. to go   deadline
		  (valid)      (raw)       (raw)
    New York       15000       27000           0*     Aug 27
--

Was this not handed in? In an article on Clarinet (UPI) today, it was
said that there were four minor party candidates on the ballot: Lenora
Fulani of the New Alliance Party, the Socialist Worker's Party, the
Natural Law party and Ross Perot.
--
 Mitchell Gold     /  middleman of
 sundance@rpi.edu /  rec.games.frp.archives

Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: New poll results
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:37:25 GMT

In article 92Sep3183718@iis.ethz.ch, neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher) writes:
>In fact, I think that putting Marrous Name on these polls would be
>somewhat dishonest, as it provides free propaganda for a small extremist party.

This "small extremist party" is the third-largest in the country.  The
main reason for its small size is the lack of exposure (some might call
it suppression) in the "mainstream" media.

>On the other hand, I think that people responding with "None of the Above"
>should be asked about their preference, and candidates receiving more than
>about 2% should be reported in the results.

That's very arbitrary, isn't it?  Why 2%?  Why "about"?

>BTW, the next two candidates in '88 were Leonora Fulani and David Duke. Are you
>suggesting that they also be included in the polls ?

Absolutely.

What's dishonest about reporting on every candidate who appears on the ballot?

What's honest about restricting the coverage to two candidates?

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Henderson)
Subject: Re: Marrou and Avatar?
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:33:34 GMT

In article <Btx8nF.29s@acsu.buffalo.edu> sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Philandros) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.234839.6620@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes...
>>My friend finds this potentially disturbing, and so do I...if it
>>is true.  Does anyone know what sort of an organization Avatar is?
>>Does anyone know if Andre Marrou is associated with them?  As I 
>>say, neither I nor my friend are convinced, as yet, that this is
>>a dangerous, mind-control type of group.  She notes that it does
>>not appear among the 3,000 such groups listed in her professional
>>references, so it must be a fairly new group if it does, in fact,
>>fall in this category.
>> 
>>Anyone have any info?
>
>	Yes.  This is absolute nonsense.  I would be willing to bet
>money that "Avatar" doesn't exist.  It is probably the product of
>people who want to discredit Andre.  This sort of thing has happened
>before.  The culprits could be other third party members, LaRouchies,
>Objectivists, or others.
>
>	Please, don't believe anything that can't be substantiated.

I hate to disappoint you, but Avatar is very real.  They've sent
me fliers before, trying to get me to join.  It sounded like
absolute nonsense, so I threw them out.  (Kind of wish I'd kept
them now, so I could post more info.)  I don't know whether Andre
Marrou has anything to do with them, but they most certainly do
exist.

Which isn't to say that it isn't absolute nonsense.  >8)
-- 
RobH (or Rob Henderson, if you prefer)
robh@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us
Every one of us has a heaven inside.  (Kate Bush)
From: rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Ohio Signatures to get Libertarians on ballot
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:33:02 GMT
Distribution: alt.politics.marrou
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Ok, can anybody tell me who to get in touch with about getting some
signatures collected for the Libertarian party? I saw that sigs are
still needed for Ohio and given that I am at Oberlin College, and
nobody is collecting signatures here it is probably worthwhile...
--
Retch The Grate aka Cormac Russell    Amiga, The Computer for The Creative Mind
                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
(minimalist sig)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Crisp's Gestapo/Plan (Was Re: Clinton's Gestapo/Plan for takeover)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:45:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <7x3eln4@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>In article <17j5p1INNngq@agate.berkeley.edu> fcrary@ocf.berkeley.edu (Frank Crary) writes:
>> ... Clinton's proposed "National Police Force." 
>
>For the 18 kazillionth time:
>
>	Clinton has *not* proposed a "National Police Force".
>

Begging to differ, my dear:
If you check Clinton's Economic Plan speech and the Democratic Platform
you will find the proposal clear as a bell.

>	This is a proposal by the Crispy Critters of
>	{talk|alt}.politics.{guns|clinton|bush|bizarre}.
>
>	The Crispy Critters have stated publicly that their
>	sole reason for posting is to vilify Clinton by lieing
>	about him and his proposals.
>

I don't know who you are referring to, but I have certainly never made
such a statement, overtly or covertly.

>	Sane people who would like to find out what Clinton
>	*is* proposing would do well to ignore the Crispy
>	Critters and read what Clinton *is* proposing instead.
>

Again you should read what he has stated in the Economic Speech (ftpable)
and the Democratic Platform. I am simply repeating what he and the rest
of the DumbOcrats have stated publically. I have also presented editorialism
about what happens if they get their way.



-- 
Richard Crisp                 Cupertino, Ca.                crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk  "Time for a clean sweep of Congress"   (408) 253 4541 fax

A government that is afraid of an armed populace is a government
the populace should be afraid of.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<AWERLING.92Aug31172210@dante.nmsu.edu> <1874@celia.UUCP>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:22:28 GMT

In article <1874@celia.UUCP> steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:

> Reread Bill Bennets speech at the convention. Family Values means relying on
> your family members and surrounding neighbors for support, counsel and guid-
> ance and not expecting a big government socialist program to cure all the
> problems you have. It also means establishing a set of traditions or values
> within your family which you think are important. 
> These values can vary from family to family but must be based on a foundation> of ideals. These ideals can be very simple. Dont steal, murder, use racism etc.
   etc. The family unit can pass its value system along with is fortune down to
   succeding members. Eventually the family becomes economically secure and might
   even free itself from the bondage of labor. They still will have to pay taxes
   though. At least for now.


(I give up trying to reformat the above)

Great ideals, but they have nothing to do with what the GOP campaign
has lumped *out* of "family values."

--
Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"now we find sodom strange take it out put it in your mouth how do you like
gomorrah now a taste of this swallow that feel the fish hide the hat ezekial
where's your wheel you better grease it GREASE GREASE GREASE GREASE! ROCK!!!"
       --Chainsaw Kittens, "Ezekial Walks Through Sodom and Gomorrah"
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr. Clinton
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.004311.14883@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.195251.11774@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> briggs@air.atmo.arizona.edu (William Briggs) writes:
>>
>>  A birthday song for B. Clinton:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Clinton plus Carter sitting in a tree
>>
>>   k
>>   i
>>   s
>>   s
>>   i
>>   n
>>   g
>>   
>>   First comes love (of Democratic TAX and SPEND policy)
>>
>>   Then comes marriage (of the LIBERAL left 'sock it to the rich' and 
>>                        Clinton's "moderism")
>>
>>   Then comes (deja vu) runaway inflation, massive unemployment, and
>>   generally no fun times.
>>
>>
>>
>>    To be sung to the popular tune.
>
>Bill Briggs displays remarkable childishness.  Perhaps he seeks
>the challenge the Crispinator for the *.politics.* Dunce Cap.
>Crisp, you better watch your back.  This guy is GOOD.
>
>
>

The battle may _already_ be lost. Crisp and I actually *agreed* on a political
viewpoint (!)   This is turning out to be a very weird week.



>--
>But this is.

Tom H.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: chrisb@natinst.com (Chris Bartz)
Subject: Re: Covenants (Was: "Demo Gun Control" (Was: democratic platform))
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:48:01 GMT

In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug26085947@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><In article <2634@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> scott@nv10.uswnvg.com (Scott Eckelman) writes:
>
>SOMEONE writes:
><   >There isn't any place in the US where guns are illegal, that I know
><   >of.

Morton Grove, IL.

>
><   I live in a suburban housing development which has 'covenants', among
><   which is one which prohibits guns (even bb guns and slingshots!).  In
><   order to live here, you have to sign the covenants.   This seems to be
><   getting pretty common, at least in areas with housing associations.
>
><   However, it's really unlikely that this could be constitutionally 
><   enforced, since I doubt it's possible to waive RTKBA with such an
><   agreement.
>
>	As recently as the 1960's it was not uncommon for housing
>	associations to require purchasers to sign covenants that
>	forced the new owner to promise "never" to sell to people
>	with certain skin colors. I'm sure that those covenants
>	are still on the books, some places, but they are hardly
>	Constitutional. 
>
>	Weapons bans would seem to fall under the same category.

I would bet that they are enforceable.  Its not the government preventing
you from keeping guns but a voluntary contract.  As for contracts that
prevent you from selling to minorities, these are explicitly illegal (the
fair housing act or some such thing).  It is illegal to discriminate based
on race,religion,...(I don't know the whole list) but I don't think
'gun owner' is on the list.

-- 
-chris bartz (chrisb@natinst.com)
From: mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Aren't KILL files great?!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:44:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>Yeah, I kill crisp, psg, and ra.  This newsgroup is so much
>better for it.  I highly recommend it to all intelligent readers
>who can't stand Buchananism (my new term for their form of fascism).

Once again we see on display what the liberal means by "tolerance for 
the views of others" and "free exchange of ideas"  just stick your
fingers in your ears when you hear or cover your eyes when you see 
something that disrupts the constant humming of the Democratic 
mantra being repeated in your head

You didn't think it would be that easy, did you 8^)

PSG

courtesy of my good friend!
-- 
[mike contento] More than any other time in history, mankind faces a 
[univ. of pgh.] crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. 
[mpc+@pitt.edu] The other to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom 
[             ] to choose correctly.                            - Woody Allen
From: VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: First Lady Barbara Bush:  Can she act at her own?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 12:06:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	Yesterday I was watching "Inside Politics" in CNN.  Mrs Bush was shown
first, cheering her husband after the acceptance speech. She was wearing a red
ribbon, the symbol for "solidarity with the  people with AIDS".  She was shown
again, walking to the podium to join her husband. Well, the red ribbon was not
there.  Anchorman Berny Shaw said that  they contacted the Office of the First
Lady and CNN received no response.  

	What is all about this?  Why red ribbon first?  Then?? Republicans had
a person with AIDS in their convention.  I don't see anything wrong in wearing
a ribbon.  I am wondering who makes the decisions for the first lady.

Vicky:
UMass,
Aug 26
Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:2920 soc.women:15737
From: kml@cellar.org (John Galt)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,soc.women
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: BUSH FETAL TISSUE VETO
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:04:49 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

> It may also help to legitimize abortion. 
> 
> > One of the TV news programs did a segment on the need for fetal tissue
> > research.  A preacher in Florida, who is anti-abortion, had a child die
> > of a genetics disease.  Their 2nd pregnancy was determined to carry the
> > same genetic flaw and the preacher spent his resources to get fetal tissue
> > to correct the flaw in utero.  
> 
> This is complete nonsense.  Fetal tissue research is still in the 
> experimental stage.   
> 
> > Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall
> 
> 
> Doug Holtsinger


BZZZT!!!  You should have watched 60 Minutes last week!  The child had
an in-the-womb transplant, using tissue from an aborted fetus.  The 
previous two children had died from a genetic defect; the current child
is doing fine, thanks to the transplant.

Fetal tissue has also shown dramatic effects in treating Parkinson's 
disease. 

In short, it works, and it is hypocritical to deny this to people for 
solely political reasons.  I value my family; if my daughter or
grandfather could be saved by such a transplant, how could Bush justify
just watching them die in misery?



               Personally, I skip the posts and just read the sigs.

  kml%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com - My other account is a Mercedes.
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: "I can even forgive Bush for Dan Quayle, but not for this."
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:05:27 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

Once again a disaster strikes, not that you can be prepared for every
disaster BUT. Think back a few years, can you say Alaskan oil spill ?
Four and a half days later they get mobilized and start a cleanup and 
a whole bunch of finger pointing starts.

Point is, Bush has to wait for the Gov to call, a real leader would have 
instantly mobilized at least a airlift the next day. What did George do ?
he went down and had a photo-op then went back to Wash. to wait for 
the phone to ring. React, react, react, thats all this administration
does.

tim
CLINTON/GORE
Campaign 92'  
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: walsh@spider.wri.com (Jerry Walsh)
Subject: Re: The blame game
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:25:20 GMT

In article <cornell.715404468@vivaldi> nobody writes:
>karna@pobox.upenn.edu (Animesh Karna) writes:
>
>>I vaguely recall reading something (this was back in '88) that the rate
>>of deficit increase during the last several democrat pres's was much less
>>than the rate of increase during the Reagan/Bush era.
>
>Not sure of the article you speak of.  However, "Monetary Trends"
>(put out by The Federal Reserve Bank of St.Louis), June 1992 issue
>shows an interesting chart on the first page which graphs the
>federal debt as a percent of GDP from 1961-1993.  It starts in 1961
>at around 57% and drops steadily (with a slight rise around 1967-68
>[Vietnam spending?] down to around 35% in 1974.  In '76, it's up to
>around 39-40% and then drops steadily down to around 34% in 1981.
>THEN, it takes a sharp turn upward after 1981 and is around 70% in
>1992.  During the 60s and 70s it is explained that the govt. was
>not adding to the debt as fast as the US economy was growing and
>this was no longer true beginning in 1981.

Oh, come on, you know the Federal Reserve Banks are liberal-biased!

:-)

----------
Jer.
walsh@wri.com

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: Aren't KILL files great?!
Summary: Maybe 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:46:22 GMT

In article <23030@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (M writes...
> 
>Yeah, I kill crisp, psg, and ra.  This newsgroup is so much
>better for it.  I highly recommend it to all intelligent readers
>who can't stand Buchananism (my new term for their form of fascism).
> 
It's your choice, but without a dissenting voice things might start
getting boring.  
Just my .02 cents.

-Garrett
Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:3026 talk.politics.guns:20152
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Covenants (Was: "Demo Gun Control" (Was: democratic platform))
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:59:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

<In article <2634@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> scott@nv10.uswnvg.com (Scott Eckelman) writes:

SOMEONE writes:
<   >There isn't any place in the US where guns are illegal, that I know
<   >of.

<   I live in a suburban housing development which has 'covenants', among
<   which is one which prohibits guns (even bb guns and slingshots!).  In
<   order to live here, you have to sign the covenants.   This seems to be
<   getting pretty common, at least in areas with housing associations.

<   However, it's really unlikely that this could be constitutionally 
<   enforced, since I doubt it's possible to waive RTKBA with such an
<   agreement.

	As recently as the 1960's it was not uncommon for housing
	associations to require purchasers to sign covenants that
	forced the new owner to promise "never" to sell to people
	with certain skin colors. I'm sure that those covenants
	are still on the books, some places, but they are hardly
	Constitutional. 

	Weapons bans would seem to fall under the same category.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.clinton:3100 alt.politics.bush:3030 talk.politics.misc:42104
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH TEXT: BUSH FETAL TISSUE VETO
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.200819.11058@adobe.com> 
kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:

>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> [.. Bush Fact Sheet on FTR ..]
>> The National Institutes of Health properly funds research involving
>> transplantation into humans of fetal tissue derived from
>> spontaneous abortions, ectopic (tubal) pregnancies, and cell
>> cultures.  The President supports that research, which may
>> contribute to medical breakthroughs against various diseases.

> My impression was that the researcher's complaint is that fetal tissue 
> from non-elective abortions is scarce and does not allow for real progress
> in research and for experimental use on humans.

My impression is that private researchers have an unfounded fear 
of any government restrictions on research funding, even if the 
restrictions would not limit their research.  There is a great 
deal of fame and recognition to be gained in the area of fetal 
tissue research -- the careers of many researchers are at stake.  
It would suit them to place their careers ahead of other considerations.


> Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall


Doug Holtsinger
From: basile@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bob Basile)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Books on candidates
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:56:08 GMT
Reply-To: basile@acadia.Kodak.COM (Bob Basile)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester NY

I have just finished reading a ***LONG*** book (1047 pages) about 6 of the major contenders for
President in 1988. It contains a lot of biographical info on George Bush, as well as Bob Dole,
Gary Hart, Michael Dukakis, Gary Hart, Richard Gephardt, and Joseph Biden. The result of
hundreds of interviews, it's a very readable and at times intensely personal look at what each
candidate had to go through, up to the time that Bush and Dukakis won their respective party's
nomination. The book is

	"What it Takes", by Richard Ben Cramer

The book left me with the impression that we voters seldom know anything of importance re
what the candidates are really up to -- and that the "system" (i.e. the press), in their
quadrennial feeding frenzy, are bent on taking down anyone who seems vulnerable. (Think of
sharks smelling blood in the water...) Also, IMHO, the published positions of the Clinton/Gore
campaign often sound like a repetition of what I read in the book as Gary Hart's ideas.

There are many chapters in the book on Bush's family connections, his desire to "make friends"
with **everybody**, his apparent desire to **be** rather than **do** as President, and so
on...but only passing mention of Albert Gore, Bruce Babbitt, and Jesse Jackson, and no mention
at all of Dan Quayle or Bill Clinton. 

Can anyone suggest any other books that are good for in-depth biographical info on the major
candidates?

Disclaimer: My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Eastman
Kodak Company.

If you wish to rely privately, please reply to basile@acadia.Kodak.COM 

-- 
Bob Basile                     islsun!basile@kodak.com
Eastman Kodak Company
Rochester, NY 14650-1925       1-716-722-9032
From: martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Consistent Pro-life( wasRe: Joke, j-o-k-e:  more!)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 06:51:30 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

Concerning
> Clinton is pro-choice and pro-death penalty

You mean Clinton is pro-death?!?!? :)
				  ^^^^
				Please note the above
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc