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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:21:40 EST
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Subject: Re: ROTJ folks in BRAZIL

In article <1992Nov6.001520.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
says:
>
>Watching Gilliam's BRAZIL this evening, I noticed Jack Purvis (Jawa & Ewok
>extrordinaire) in the part of "Dr. Chapman."  (I've seen the movie many times
>before, but never really made the connection...)
>
>On the other hand:  IAN HOLM and IAN RICHARDSON are both in BRAZIL.  Did not
>one of these men play the Emperor in ROTJ?  Which one?!?!  (Both sound
>familiar
>to me, so I'm not willing to place any bets...)  Wait a minute... It wasn't
>Ian Holm, right?  He played Ash in ALIEN, though... didn't he?  (Now I'm
>really confused...)
>
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Neither of these people played the Emperor. Sorry.
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THX-1138 references (was: R2D2 in Raiders)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:56:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) says:

>In article <1992Nov9.211527.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>>Ah ha!
>>Yet another chance to get an age-old question answered by Net-gurus!
>>
>>I had heard that Lucas had slipped THX-1138 into "all his movies."  It's on the
>>license plate in AMERICAN GRAFITTI.  In the SW novel, it's the "call number" of 
>>the stormtrooper Luke knocks off when the Falcon gets snagged by the Death
>>Star.  But it's not what's heard on film. (I think its actually "TK-421, why
>>aren't you at your post?")  I had heard that THX makes appearances in ESB (in
>>the microbinoculars the rebel uses to get a closer look at the AT-ATs), and in
>>Raiders (the number stenciled on the crate the Ark is stored in), but I know
>>that the latter isn't the case.
>>
>
>Actually... in the StarWars movie, the THX-1138 reference is spoken by Luke
>as he, Han and Chewie go in to rescue Leia.  The line is (I believe):
>"Prisoner transfer from Cell Block 1138".

You're all right.  In the movie, the trooper was TK421, but I believe
that in the book, it was THX1138.  That is the line from the movie, though.

As for the significance, it was his first film, (and not a very good
one, as far as I'm concerned.  So far I've tried to watch it 3 times
and fell asleep all three of them.  OK, so it was 3 am, but that's
beside the point.)

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Subject: Re: OMmark hamill's accident
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:10:24 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1dlth8INNanj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey) writes:
> mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark Becker) writes:
>>I don't know tons about it, but he got in a near-fatal car accident between
>>ANH and ESB, and had to have major reconstructive surgury on his face.  They
>>say that if you look closely at his face in ANH and the others, you can notice
>>the difference, but I've never caught it.  I just figured he was growing up.:)
> 
> 	I heard that's why in ESB, Luke gets walloped early on in the movie,
> so he can walk around with big bruises and cuts on his face, to cover up
> whatever reconstructive surgery they were doing at the time. Whether he
> was still getting fixed up or whether he was just healing after the surgery
> was finished, I'm not sure. But he does manage to stay either very grimy
> or beat-up-on the entire movie.... :-)
> 

I just happened to have finished reading "SKYWALKING" ...  Concerning the
accident, it says: (paraphrased)

Lucas had to refilm several Tatoonie sequences long after principal photography
(on SW) had been completed.  The day shooting was to begin, he found out that
Hamill had gone through the window of his car in an accident on the Pacific
Coast Highway north of L.A.  He required extensive facial plastic surgery. 
Lucas went ahead, using a stunt double for Hamill's long shots and scrapped the
closeups.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 16:39:16 -0500 
From: "Nathanel J. Barlow" <nb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
	<1992Nov5.124126.3937@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>

In message  <1992Nov5.124126.3937@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, 
<1992Nov5.124126.3937@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> writes:

>	What I meant about incorporating it was as follows:
>If the bent wing design was superior to the normal wing design, especially >in
>regards to the maneuverability of the ship, why didn't ALL Tie fighter >get
>modified with these advances?  It doesn't make sense to have a valid, and
>proven breakthrough, and only use them on half your ships.

The Empire was probably adding the bent-wing design to all their new
ships.  It's probably much easier for the impies to build new ships with
it instead of revamping all the old ones (since there are some major
structural and probably mechanical changes as well), and the Empire was
probably putting out ships at an incredible rate as well.  Even if the
Empire is revamping all the old TIEs, for a fleet that size, it would
take up quite a bit of time, so a large number would not have bben
upgraded yet.

Nate
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From: Ray.Chramega <Ray.Chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Hamill on QVC 10/28/92
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 16:23:05 GMT



>	Prowse learned the script (or at least the version they gave him) and
>spoke the lines during filming. Jones' voice was dubbed in later. This was a
>surprise to Prowse when _Star Wars_ was released, as they'd told him nothing
>of the dubbing job. They also did not tell him that Vader died in _Jedi_-- or
>that someone else would be playing the unmasked Anakin Skywalker.

        See-Threepio's voice was redubbed later by Anthony Daniels also. He
said that it was very difficult to hear and be heard while wearing the
seventy-five pound costume and that he was only able to know when to jump in
with Threepio's lines by watching the physical actions of the other actors.


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From: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Subject: SW :ANH PROLOGUE
Originator: albusacc@c00803-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: WHILLS
Reply-To: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:35:07 GMT



In the Star Wars book the end of the prologue is signed out from the Journal of
the Whills.  Is this the title to Chapter 3 in the epic?  Was it ever published 
as a book or is that just what Lucas is calling the prologue? 





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From: cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole)
Subject: Re: REAL CHALLENGING QUESTION
Organization: MCNC Data Operations
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:37:48 GMT

In article <AKHIL.92Nov4154516@stokes.ae.utexas.edu> akhil@stokes.ae.utexas.edu (Akhil Vidwans) writes:
>
>This is a *real* challenging question IMHO.
>
>In the battle of the bunker in ROTJ when Leia
>gets hurt, two stormtroopers (yes 2) challenge
>Han ( who is tending to Leia ) from behind. 
>Leia draws her blaster, Han gets out of the way,
>ans she blows away one of the stormtroopers.
>What happens to the other?

She blows them _both_ away (I heard two shots, one _right_ after the other.
Plus, I believe you see her aim for one, then the other in a rather rapid
fashion...)

Yes/No?

Derrick

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From: craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
Subject: Re: SW Halloween Costumes
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:46:07 GMT

>>>A friend of mine dressed up as a DEAD LUKE SKYWALKER.....top that one  :-)

>>    (Next year I'll go as Han Solo in carbonite.)  ;-)

>Han Solo in carbomite?  Hmmm...sounds like a difficult costume to construct, 
>	Hmmmm, you could wrap yourself in tinfoil for carbomite....;-)

  Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of black nylon stretched
over a frame;  then just press your face and hands into it.  :-)

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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: More Questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:26:08 GMT

mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney) writes:


>what reason could there be for Luke's initial familiarity with Dagobah after
>he landed and started setting up camp.  He made a comment that I wonder about:
>"Still, there's something familiar about this place."

>My only theory is that when Luke and Leia were being separated from their
>father (and presumable their mother), Obi-Wan brought Luke (and possible Leia)
>to Dagobah and asked Yoda's advice on hiding him/them before having Luke
>placed in the care of Ben's brother Owen (and Ben's old commander, Bail 
>Organa.)

I think so, too.  It seems likely that Luke spent some time on Dagobah
as an infant.  Yoda mentions that he's been watching Luke for a long
time, so Yoda probably met him as a kid at least once.


                             --Steve Stelter
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:31:47 EST
From: Mumbles <JXD132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C-3PO and the Princess
 <BxBHnp.6vE@nic.umass.edu> <1992Nov7.024529.23686@ll.mit.edu>
 <Nov.7.23.06.48.1992.26784@romulus.rutgers.edu>

Maybe C3PO knew the Princess was on the ship... but had never actually met
her.  There's no reason to suspect either of the droids was anybody importanton
the ship, so they probably never would have met the Princess.
Captain Antilles was probably their owner as C3PO said, but they were probably
aware that Antilles ship was beng used to escort the Princess and 3PO figured
an Imperial attack would be becuase of her... so her says there will be no
escape for her this time.  (wow... that's a run-on sentence.)


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From: bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov9.064003.18585@netcom.com>, lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
 writes:
> The next time you watch Raiders, there is a scene beyond the one in the map
> room where I know R2D2 is present.  When the Indy and Marion characters are 
> tied to the lightpost as they open the Ark, it cuts back and forth to them,
> and during a few of the cuts there is a distinct 'head' of R2D2 on the pole.
> Anyone else seen this?  I've never read this anywhere, but just watched
> the movie one day and noticed it.  Right at the top of the pole...honest!
> 
> Any Lucas experts know anything about this?
> -- 
> 
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I've never noticed this before, but I find it very believable.  The canyon
where the previous scene was shot (where Indy is threatening the Nazis with the
bazooka) is the very same canyon where R2-D2 was captured by the Jawas.  Maybe
they did it as some kind of "tribute."

Another reference to Star Wars appeared in _Temple of Doom_.  As the characters
were running out of the club, I noticed the sign above the entrance read "Club
Obi-Wan".  :-)

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From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1dlgr7INNs9j@corax.udac.uu.se>, by sverkerw@csd.uu.se (Sverker Wiberg):
> Yes, and the Shanghai nightclub in Temple of Doom is named "Club Obi-Wan".
> 

And the floatplane at the beginning has C3PO (or something very close) 
written on the side.

And the vines were the VERY SAME ONES from Dagobah!!


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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More CHALLENGING QUESTIONS-IF YOU DARE!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:47:55 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Nov9.211748.19689@wheaton.wheaton.edu> nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.134157.15861@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240954R@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JENKINS, MICHAEL) writes:
>>Could someone explain to me why the DS bothered to take the time to orbit the
>>planet to get to the rebel base when they could have just blown it away???
>
>Probably because the Death Star wasn't capable of destroying Yavin ...
>... 								 A gas giant
>(such as Jupiter, Yavin, or Bespin) has more in common with a brown dwarf star
>than with a terrestrial planet.

Here's the chance for the real astronomy experts out there to flame me, but:
Could the Death Star's big gun ignite a gas giant and turn it into a star?
If not, what would happen to Yavin when it was hit?  I do not think it
would turn into an asteroid belt, as Alderaan did.  Would the Death Star
have any more chance of flying through the result of such a shot than it
would of flying straight through Yavin?

Or perhaps the main gun takes a long time to charge up, and it was quicker
to just go round Yavin than to destroy it and recharge the gun.

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From: pn88384@cs.tut.fi (Petri Nurminen)
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Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:32:40
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In-reply-to: keith@cco.caltech.edu's message of 12 Nov 1992 04:58:39 GMT

In article <1dso9vINNer@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:

> Why not wear a bullet-proof vest?

Ever seen someone wearing a bullet-proof vest being shot with a machine gun?
ven if you have a bullet-proof vest you get the impact and if you are being
shot at with a machine gun, there is a very good chance that the bullets
hit you in a place there isn't vest - like hands, legs and head.
With lightsaber you can change the direction of the impact and reflect
also hits that are aimed towards your limbs.
If I had to choose whether I'd take a vest or lightsaber (and of course
the skill to use it) I'd take the saber ;)

	Pet
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Missing scenes cut from Star Wars
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:51:09
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of 10 Nov 92 16:27:13 GMT

>>>>> On 10 Nov 92 16:27:13 GMT, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith) said:


4224_5201> I recently came across a copy of THE STAR WARS STORYBOOK
4224_5201> (10th edition, 1978), published by Scholastic Book
4224_5201> Services. This is a kiddie version of the Star Wars movie
4224_5201> and has text and pictures. But there are some pictures in
4224_5201> this book, taken from the movie, which do NOT appear in the
4224_5201> Star Wars movie on laserdisk or VHS.

Oh God, Please! Don't start this damn Biggs scene war again!!!!

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From: fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Endor Moon?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:53:31 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In articles... various people write...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I feel that Endor is the name of the moon, only because I think that's
 ... etc...
>>> 
>>> "The forest moon of Endor" can be construed to mean that Endor and the moon
...etc...
> 
>>Oh no!  We've come full circle back to the point with which I started this
...etc..
> Hmmm.  Maybe the best way to settle the issue is to see what Lucasfilm
> has to say about the topic.  Does anybody have any "The Making of ROTJ"
> 

In the meantime here, for what it is worth, is my Interpretation of the Names
of Planets in Star Wars (tm).

All habitable planets have a name - thus Alderaan, Dagobah etc. The whole 
stellar system that planet is in is then called "the x system"; thus eg.
Han in ANH "We're just coming up on the Alderaan system", Ben in TESB "You
will go to the Dagobah system" etc.
But if the habitable body in a system is a moon, not a planet, then the planet
gets the name and the moon is called "the moon of x", or if there is more than
one "the <some distinguishing adjective> moon of x". Thus in ANH "the rebel
base is on a moon on the far side of the planet", and is called "the fourth 
moon of Yavin"; in ROTJ then the moon is "the moon of Endor" or "the forest
moon of Endor" to be more precise, orbiting Endor, in the Endor system.

All this is of course guesswork...

As to the novel saying the parent planet was destroyed, that must be wrong; 
if the parent planet had somehow been destroyed then the moon would no
longer be a moon, it would be a planet, by definition.

Rich.
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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: Mark Hamill on QVC 10/28/92
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:56:39 GMT

In article <1d0cieINNe6f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller) writes:

> Speaking of Mark Hammil's voice . . . I understand he can do a really wide
> array of voices, and that that is actually him as Joker in _Batman:  The
> Animated Series_.  Is any of this true?

Ya, that's true. He also played that big shot executive 
"environmentalist" in the episode where they introduced Mr. Freeze 
(Victor Fries). Mata ne.

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From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R2D2 in Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Nov9.064003.18585@netcom.com>, by lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen):
> The next time you watch Raiders, there is a scene beyond the one in the map
> room where I know R2D2 is present.  When the Indy and Marion characters are 
> tied to the lightpost as they open the Ark, it cuts back and forth to them,
> and during a few of the cuts there is a distinct 'head' of R2D2 on the pole.
> Anyone else seen this?  I've never read this anywhere, but just watched
> the movie one day and noticed it.  Right at the top of the pole...honest!
> 

Gee, you wouldn't think R2's head would balance all that well.

Sure you don't mean C3PO's head?


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