From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: RE: What is  H a m a s  ??
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:36:20 GMT

In article <1ht9obINN3s6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry to say that is your understanding is totally wrong.  Where in Quran
|> tht such a verse exist?  Go ahead and try to find one, maybe you will
|> prove to yourself that you know nothing about what islam teaches.
|> 
|> The most dangerous thing is to talk about something that you
|> don't know about.

Well then you are either a lier or those Muslims who have told me that is what
the Qur'an said are liers. Are you supporting the general view the west has
that Arabs have no respect for life by killing people because they are not
Muslims?.

|> 
|> It is my business to calm down or not.  Actually the semester is
|> over for me now.  :-)
|> Anyways, Why don't you tell this to yourself and stop posting your
|> famous phrase, "Islam and all religion had failed thousand of years ago."
|> Did I tell you to calm down??

Well prove that they did not fail in solving the present problems facing the
Arabic populus. Tell us how the Arabic world got where it is and how religion
provides the solution. I asked you to prove me wrong back then, prove it now.

|> Your posts and what goes on in Iraq, Bosnia, Algeria, Izerbajan, etc are
|> self-explanatory.  Dont come and tell me look at Somalia!  It is part
|> of their startegy: kill them in many countries and feed them in another,
|> just to decieve them.

I think you are religiously blind. The issues facing the above countries are
not religious based, they are political. Let us take it one by one.
Iraq: The west would have done what it did to Iraq if it was 100% Christians,
since the primary objective is securing the western oil supply.

Bosnia: The heart of the conflict is the fact that Bosnia has Serbs that prefer
to remain part of Serbia. It is not a religious conflict as you think. However,
you religious blindfold tells you it is a conflict between Christians and
Muslims when those same people existed in harmony for over 70 years.

Algeria: It is an internal conflict that has nothing to do with Christians
and Muslims. Christians are less than 2% of the population if I am not mistaken.

Azerbajan: Again the Issue here is land not religion, the fact that Armenia is
Christianised is a mere coincidence that adds fuel to the fire.

|> 
|> I can tell historical things on how much europe and the west benifited
|> from muslims, but lets leave that aside...

No one denies those contribution, however you amplify them beyond any
imagination.

|> 
|> Really, what you are saying is reminding me of a story in the Quran about
|> Moses and Pharaon.  When Moses came and asked Pharaon to beleive in him
|> and asked him to send jews with him, Pharaon told him that how come you,
|> Moses, started making trouble and are not accepting me as your God.  He also
|> told him that you were among us and we raised you since you were a baby and
|> did so many favors for you, and now look what you are doing, you are not
|> appreciating what we've done to you.  -- The same like what you're telling
|> me, you are beign educated by christians --  Moses told him this:  How do you
|> compare this such a favour to what you are doing to the people of Israel who
|> you are killing and murdering their boys, making them slaves, and humilating
|> them.
|> 
|> -Al Hamdolilah Al thee Ja'alana Muslimeen and learn from Quran-

Tell me how come you do not get your University education from the Qur'an.

Did you know that the word Qur'an is derived from the Aramaic word Qiryana?.
The Aramaic church has a religious book called the Qiryana that is similar to
the Qur'an only hundreds of years ealier.

Offcourse, you did not know that otherwise you will not continiously shove
your feet in your mouth.

|> 
|> By the same token, my education doesn't count as a favor to what christians
|> are doing to muslims all over the world.  Like some jews argue that by
|> their little help to muslims in Bosnia, Palestine should be left for them.

I did not say it is a favour, and it should not be one either. Knowledge and
education is universal, open your mind and accept others.

|> 
|> France at time of conolizing Algeria, erased the arabic language from it
|> for 3 generations.  The algerian who used to get caught reading any arabic
|> paper would go to jail for 10-15 years.  Sabrah and Shatilah and the Gulf
|> war are not too far ago,  and stories go on and on.  This is the
|> christianity that has a favor on me.  If it were not for their cunning
|> and unfair policy in the middle east, I would have not been here.

Is the above driven by religion or political conquest and colonialism. Didn't
Islam attempt to erase the languages of areas that were part of the ISlamic
empire and replace it with Arabic. Is the tragedy at Sabra and Shatilah due
to a religious conflict?. I do not know how you claim to be faithful and
be a distort the facts. 

|> 
|> Do you mean that Islam is contrudicting itself? Or do you mean
|> that I don't understand Islam?

Both !!!!!!!!

|> 
|> You know very well that is not true.  Previous people explained to you
|> that Islam gives the people of the book full autonomy and they are free
|> to do whatever they like as long as there is no conflict with Islam values.
|> Islam had done this, and is going to do it.

All Islamic countries demand that you must be a Muslim to hold a high public
position.

|> If you don't like for the Islam to govern and be a major power, it is
|> a different story.

I did not say that, you think that Non-Muslims feel that way because you
lack knowledge about humanity and their social behaviour. You feel that way
because you are paranoid and cannot handle and deal with the facts.

|> 
|> The same like you..

You do not know me. The bottom of my shoe is more honest and humane than you
are!. You hide behind Islam, I do not hide behind any religion.

||> Christmas and Hanuka are not islamic.

You are not supposed to be educated and living among Non-Muslims according
to you. Why not go back to the M.E. and become a sheppard then.

A.Faris
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