From: vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: schools, their star students and faculty..(was something else)
Keywords: duke
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:03:16 GMT

In article <9wcHPB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com> r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po) writes:
>>Subject: Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-)
>
>> vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>>
>>In article <TcTDPB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com> r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po) writes:
>
>>
>>>and i dont know of any first-class CS/EE school that will hire its
>>>own graduate (it is considered too damaging to the pretige of a good school)
>>
>>This is not true...i can sight two of many examples here:
>>
>>1) Dr. Yaser Abu Mostafa (an egyption) was accepted as faculty  by
>>   Caltech after his Ph.D in EE.
>>
>>2) Dr. Charles Seitz (now at Caltech) was accepted as faculty by MIT
>>   after he completed his B.S, M.S, and Ph.D at MIT in EE.
>>
>
> Thank you vu0208 (or should I say Mr./Ms. ! ) for the correction. But what I
>meant was hiring a FRESH PhD. Of course, they do not discriminate against
>their own graduates if they go out for a couple of years in industry, other
>schools or research labs etc. Are you sure the persons you mentioned were
>straight out of school without any outside post-doctoral experience?

You are very welcome.

Yes i am 100% sure that they were FRESH Ph.Ds out of their own
schools...and let me add two more "legendary" names (as Salman Azhar
would put it):

3) Carver Mead (father of VLSI and Artificial Neural Nets) did his all
   degrees from EE at Caltech and was instantly hired by EE program by
   Caltech

4) F. Thomson Leighton BS/MS from Princeton in EE & CS, and Ph.D from
   MIT in Applied Mathematics in '81 was hired instantly as well.

>I know, a faculty member in EE/CS Syracuse U was offered this position even
>before completing his PhD (unofficial word, that is). Yes I find 
>"school ratings" quite meaningless for most practical purposes and know
>many top researchers in many not-so-big-name schools, but
>still, I hesitate a bit comparing Syracuse with (say) Stanford. Mainly because
>of the difference in the AVERAGE quality of students getting in (i have CAPed
>the word "average" so any ONE person should not mind my generalization).
>
>by the way, i really admire people for their accomplishments...
>for instance, i was a fan of my cousin when he passed F.Sc exam
>in pakistan.....but sometime feel that things should be taken 
>in right proportions (what is "right" for someone can be left as
>an interesting exercise to the reader).
>
>but as i said, i may be wrong.....
>
>-r3po              
>
>PS: r3po, vu0208, ...what next?  i wish our parents had access to S.C.P
>    so they could run ads like "looking for male/female baby names" 

Nice names aren't they! :) :)


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>r3po@spectrx.saigon.com

Rating of schools is generally considered by taking into account the
following:

- programs they offer
- # of Ph.Ds produced each year 
- any distinguised dissertations
- research quality 
- # of Nobel laureates among the alumni or faculty
- student to teacher ratio

besides these there are many other socio-political factors, for
example Harvard - one of the top schools NEVER publicizes it's
SAT/ACT scores of its freshmen class !!!!

Let's switch our discussion to Pakistani universities and colleges
which offer BS/BSc/MS/MSc/PhDs... Since we have no rating system over
there every schools claims to be the BEST in the country!

I would be interested to know from the fresh graduates from Pakistani
universities in Engineering areas to post on the net some kind of
statistics about their departments, such:

- # of students
- # of faculty
- # of faculty with BS
             with MS
             with Ph.D

- and where exactly they (faculty) graduated from... i have heard that
  most of the faculty possesses only BS from the school where they are
  now teaching.

It's nothing to be ashamed of that there are not many PhDs in Pakistan,
it's becaz of very little research facilities, and qualified advisers
to supervise and conduct the research, esp. in engineering areas.




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