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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Croatia first 2 rounds
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:11:58 GMT

Round 1
NK Zagreb              5-1 Segesta Sisak
Istra Pula             3-0 Belisce
Radnik Velika Gorica   1-0 NK Zadar
NK Osijek              2-0 NK Sibenik
Hajduk Split           3-0 Cibalia Vinkovci
HNK Dubrovnik          0-4 INKER Zapresic
NK Rijeka              2-0 Pazinka Pisino
Varteks Varazdin       3-3 HASK Gradjanski

Round 2
Segesta                1-3 HASK
Pazinka                0-2 Varteks
INKER                  1-1 Rijeka
Cibalia                1-0 Dubrovnik
Sibenik                0-1 Hajduk
Zadar                  2-1 Osijek
Belisce                2-3 Radnik 
Zagreb                 1-0 Istra

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Newcastle United
Date: 1 Sep 1992 04:35:19 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:34:56 MET DST

The Swede is Kennet Andersson.

Kent
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NPSL franchise moves
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:39:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International) writes:

>        National Professional Soccer League -- Announced transfer of
>Illinois franchise to Denver.


--
I'll bypass that blind spot if you'll confront the fact that I operate far
above society's simplistic rules. - Splatter Phoenix
Mitch McGowan a.k.a.   | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS | KALAMAZOO WINGS  |
hamlet@u.washington.edu| VICTORIA COUGARS      | ST. KILDA SAINTS |
From: wmelnitc@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Wally Melnitchouk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Hungary:Ukraine friendly.
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:24:56 GMT

J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:

>>Hungary- Friendly International.
>>       Hungary:Ukraine              2:1

>No, they played Hungary at home a couple of months back (May, I think). Hungary
>won 3-1.

They played the US a couple of months ago as well.
The result of that match was 0:0.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: nharvey@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Nicole Harvey)
Subject: WC 94 qualifiers in Australia
Summary: When and where are wc94 games in Aus
Keywords: WC 94 Australia
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:42:31 GMT

Hi,
  Can anyone tell what WC 94 games will be played in Australia. Could you
also tell me the dates and where they are.

Thank you,
Nicole Harvey
nharvey@cs.utas.edu.au

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Leeds and David "Gutbucket" Batty
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:41:29 GMT

In article <124@bjcong.bj.co.uk> timk@bjcong.UUCP (TIM KENNEDY) writes:

>Nitesh is sore because gorgeous Batts boasts a championship winning medal
>on his mantelpiece at home,  unlike any of the psychological misfits and
>hard luck cases who play at Old Trafford.  

European championships in Sweden clearly showed what kind of player Batty
is. With the rest of the team mostly more than thirty years of age Leeds
will probably settle for comfortable midtable position. I expect an early
exit for Leeds in European Cup in the hands of VfB Stuttgart, so they
will have time to concentrate on their league campaign like Arsenal had
last year.

>Batts is the player all lesser sides would love to have because when the
>rest of the team are having an off-day,  he always gives 100% effort.  He
>is possessor of brilliant passing skills and yes,  gives no quarter in a
>physical encounter,  but his own footballing hero is Bryan Robson,  so
>that is no surprise.  I would say the likes of Burrows and Ince easily 
>beat Batty in the nasty stakes.

You are correct, Batty would really be more comfortable in teams like
Wimbledon, Sheffield United or Cambridge. In these teams every player
gives more than 100% effort. Too bad in terms of skill their game is 
below par. 

You are right that Batty's "grim reaper" style has no mercy for the opponents'
legs. 

Paul Ince is capable of physical play too, but when it comes to skill and 
vision he's way ahead of Batty.

>As for Stormin' Norman,  well he was well 'ard,  true,  but so were Pat
>Crerand, Dave Mackay, Chopper Harris,  indeed any centre half worth his
>salt in them days.  As Jim Greaves often comments,  players are far more
>stringently refereed in such cases these days.

Which is very good indeed. We still have hope there will be no more players
like Norman Hunter and Billy Bremner even in Leeds team.

>			Tim

Janne Kivela"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: European club competitions statistics
Keywords: England still top of the table, even after 5-year ban
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:20:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.163836.7932@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.034725.12321@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>>Well, English football has taken a lot of flak in the past few years,
>>mainly due to the national team's inability to prove itself at the
>>international stage (Italia '90 excepted).
>>However, according to the figures publicized by 'World Soccer', England
>>still reigns supreme at the European club level.
>>This is trully remarkable considering the 5-year ban English clubs had
>>to endure in the European competitions.
>>There have been 13 (!!) English clubs that have won at least one European
>>title - a total of 23 out of the 103 so far contested.
>>
>
>That's what always puzzles me, every weekend I watch highlights from the
>English league and I'm fascinated by the great football that is played
>by the English clubs. As a matter of fact I much prefer the English league
>over the Italian league games (broadcasted every Sunday by RAI). Why does
>the English national team play such boring football? Secondly I think
>it would be better if the best combinations (defense, midfield, strikers)
>were chosen from the clubs instead of individual players.

You could also think vertical: the best wing you can find.

louis kossen
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Scottish Super League
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:19:54 GMT

Scottish Super League Latest

The SSL have announced that Partick Thistle and Dunfermline have been 
invited to join the new set up. This means the final line up will 
comprise of Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee Utd, St Johnstone,
Mothwerwell, Thistle and Dunfermline.  Airdrie and Dundee have had their
applications rejected. The strange fact is that one of the leading clubs
in the new set up is Hearts who this week announced they are deep in debt.
Their chairman, Wallace Mercer, has disclosed that the club are in over
3 million pounds debt and cannot afford any new players and are now seriously
considering staying at their existing stadium rather than build a new one.
Only the goodwill of the bank prevented them from selling Dave McPherson
last Christmas. They eventually sold him for 1.3 million but the manager
was only given 90 000 to spend on a new player.  The SSL was supposed to
be all about having clubs who had a good financial base but Hearts seem to
be the worst hit club in Scotland.

At the same time the SSL announced the new memebers, the SFA announced that
they will not recognise the new league and hence will not negotiate with
them. This would have the effect for example that SSL clubs would not be
allowed to participate in the Scottish Cup or European competition. However
the SFA are merely ignoring the need for change and using a regulation to
prevent any changes. They must realise radical change is required not
just a simple league re-structuring.  The saga will continue.......


=============================================================================== 
Sandy Mackinnon                  Out Now -- The new Celtic single --
University of Strathclyde        "Where the strips have no names"
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
===============================================================================
From: oweng@aston.ac.uk (Gareth Owen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gary Mabbutt? (was Re: Spurs to sign Sheringham)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:10:07 GMT
Organization: Aston University

Mabbutt is injured and should be fit by "next week" according to BBC Radio 5
last night.

Ruddock's now being sent off once and booked twice in 6 matches - hardly in the
Lineker mould 
-- 
Gareth Owen			Tel: +44 021 359 3611 ext 4815
Information Systems,Aston University,Aston Triangle,Birmingham B4 7ET , UK
From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WC'94 Schedule and Venues
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:46:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

The following is a listing of dates and places for the 
1994 World Cup tournament: (Source; New York Times)

First Round
17-30 June, 1994
Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Los Angeles,    
New York/New Jersey, Orlando, San Francisco, 
and Washington, D.C.
Each hosts four games.

Round of 16
2-5 July, 1994
Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, New York/New Jersey,
Orlando, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C.
Each hosts one game.

Quarterfinals
8-10 July, 1994 
Boston, Dallas, New York/New Jersey, San Francisco
Each hosts one game.

Semifinals
12 and/or 13 July, 1994
Los Angeles, New York/New Jersey

3rd Place Game
16 July, 1994
Los Angeles

Final - 17 July, 1994 - Los Angeles  ??? v. Sweden

Also of note in the article, " ..Alan Rothenberg...said that FIFA
had approved the television contract the Americans signed with
ABC and ESPN for the English-speaking rights to the games.  
ABC will broadcast 11 games and ESPN 41.  All telecast will be
LIVE AND WITHOUT COMMERCIAL INTERUPTION." 

That's all for now.

Best regards,
Dan Sammartino
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: elan@rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco)
Subject: Re: Arsenal Football Club
Reply-To: elan@rdg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:22:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.095558.49582@ccvax.ucd.ie>, jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Do I sense ever such a little bit of resentment towards the Arsenal on this
|> list?  I wish someone would explain to me why they are hated so much in general,
|> because the Arsenal that I follow bear little or no resemblence to the one that
|> I'm getting a wee bit tired of seeing slagged off at every turn.
|> 

Absolutely!! People are jealous of Arsenal's success. Liverpool's dominance of the 
eighties has been wiped out. Basically they are hated because they're successful.


|> how long.   Again, Arsenal scored just before half time, Alan Smith nodding home
Just after half time.

|> 
|> April 1991, Highbury:  En route to what was eventually a comfortable second
|> title, Arsenal welcomed Liverpool for a Sunday match at Highbury.  The first
|> half was tight, nervous, and scoreless.  However, after Arsenal took the lead
|> midway through the second, they proceeded to take the piss out of Liverpool, 

Midway through the first (Paul Merson) half

Talking about taking the piss, don't forget 4-0 thrashing of Liverpool last season
at Highbury. Arsenal were 4-0 up by half time. And the goal from Limpar from the half
way line -- Mmmm... Mmmm... Mmm..

|> Now, I know that nothing can even remotely persuade some of you out there that
|> Arsenal do play soccer, and play it damn well at times.  It's been a slow start
|> so far, but the season is young, and there's a long way to go.

And 5th in the table after 5 matches is not bad.

--------------------
Balendra Elangco			| Internet: elan@rdg.dec.com
From: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Bulgaria first 4 rounds
Reply-To: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:12:11 GMT

samo levski
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Main dutch transfers this summer.
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:04:54 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag) writes:

>   [a young Finnish international on loan, forgot his name]

You can't trick us - we know you can't spell it :-)

>   Eric Gerets finished his active carreer.

So soon? Does anyone have any statistics (clubs, number of games, 
titles, goals etc) for Gerets career? I would appreciate such a
thing.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou)
Subject: some results from the UK
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:19:01 GMT


leeds 2, liverpool 2
coventry 0, blakburn 2 (so they are on top of the league)
arsenal 2, sheffield wed. 0
forest 0, man utd 2
man city 3, oldham 3
norwich won away by 2-1 against ???
qpr lost 1-0 from ???

In scotland celtic drew 1-1 (don't remember their opponent)
and rangers beat aberdeen 3-1
partick beat dundee 6-3

that's all I remember!
christos
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Ukraina first 2 rounds
Summary: Dinamo lose!
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:59:08 GMT

Round 1
Metallist Kharkov     1-1 Chernomorets Odessa
Dinamo Kiev           5-0 Kremen Kremenchug
Torpedo Zaporozhye    0-1 Dnepr Dnepropetrovsk
Shakhter Donetzk      0-0 Bukovina Chernovtsy
Veres Rovno           1-1 Karpaty Lvov
Krivbas Krivoj Rog    1-0 Niva Ternopol
Volyn Lutsk           0-0 Metallist Zaporozhye
Tavria Simferopol     P-P Zarya Lugansk

Round 2 
Bukovina              1-0 Veres
Dnepr                 3-0 Tavria
Karpaty               1-0 Krivbas
Kremen                0-0 Metallist K
Niva                  2-1 Metallist Z
Torpedo               4-1 Volyn
Chernomorets          1-2 Shakhter
Zarya                 1-0 Dinamo
-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: European Cups - preliminary round
Summary: Results of revange matches
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:13:37 GMT

Played on Wednesday, September 2.

Champions Cup
-------------
TAVRIA SIMFEROPOL (Ukraine) - Shelbourne (Ireland)       2:1
MACCABI TEL AVIV (Israel) - Valletta FC (Malta)          1:0
SKONTO RIGA (Latvia) - Klaksvikar (Faroe)                3:0
Norma Tallin (Estonia) - OLIMPIA LUBLANA (Slovenia)      0:2

Cup Winners Cup
---------------
HAPOEL PETACH TIKVA (Israel) - Stromgodset (Norway)      2:0
CZERNOMORETS ODESSA (Ukraine) - FC Vaduz (Liechtenstein) 7:1
Hamrun Spartans (Malta) - BRANIK MARIBOR (Slovenia)      2:1
B36 Torshawn (Faroe) - AVENIR BEGGEN (Luxembourg)        1:1

Winners typed with uppercase.  Source: Gazeta Wyborcza.
Eventual spelling errors not intended.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: arc@Ingres.COM (Andy Cowling)
Subject: Re: Glorious start by dwarves ?!
In-reply-to: carl@bjcong.bj.co.uk's message of 26 Aug 92 12:31:03 GMT
Organization: Eurotech, Ingres (London)
	<1992Aug19.080244.3161@rdg.dec.com> <122@bjcong.bj.co.uk>
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:01:55 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 12:31:03 GMT, carl@bjcong.bj.co.uk (Carl Nancollas) said:

  Carl> In article <1992Aug19.080244.3161@rdg.dec.com>,
  Carl> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com writes: With regard to the above
  Carl> comment, Everton have had great success over the years and not
  Carl> needed a black player (unlike other Premier League Clubs)

Yeah and Howard's bought a lot of dwarves for their recent startling
lack of success.  And please don'r retort with their glorious start to
this campaign.  Last year they beat Arse 3-1 early on and their season
was over by February.

-- 
Andy Cowling (arc@ingres.com)
Ingres Ltd, (Special Engineering Group), 15-19 Britten St, London SW3 3TY
--
Andy Cowling (arc@ingres.com)
Ingres Ltd, (Special Engineering Group), 15-19 Britten St, London SW3 3TY
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: America(n) Rules 8-)
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:34:18 GMT

In article <BtyM86.Cr5@apollo.hp.com> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep2.111123.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>Is America trying to destroy football at the grassroots level?  
>>This question came to mind as I read some of the comments following 
>>on from the "Dain Bramage" thread.  The clutter of rules and adult 
>>involvement in the games of young kids can only be stifling and 
>>suffocating the growth and development of future skills.... 
> 
>In my more cynical moments, I think the best way to ruin a kids game
>is to get grown-ups involved in "organizing" it.
>
I don't think this is cynical 'cos it's true. I have felt for a long
time that soccer in the U.S. for young kids tends to be far too formalised:-
Organised games for U6 (and maybe U8) together with a formal practice
is too rigid a way for young children to be playing the game. Far better
for kids to kick a plastic ball around with a couple of friends after
school etc or play informal "pickup" games. Trouble is, there just
isn't enough of a soccer "mentality" in the U.S. for this to happen to
any great extent. Hence the major (or only) exposure to the game for
many (but not all) kids is via an adult-organised formal activity.

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: dsc@sys.uea.ac.uk (Dave Cartwright CMP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:39:08 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty) writes:

>J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:

>>In last night's game between Southampton and Manchester Utd, Keith Monkou
>>nudged a ball back to the keeper from just inside the goal-area which the
>>goalie handled. From the resulting kick the referee had great difficulty in

	[ ... a bit deleted ... ]

>>wasted about 2 minutes, so much for keeping the game flowing!

>I would say he was under pressure so a free kick was stupid in this case. A 
>rule that is down to how a ref sees the game is no good in these days of such 
>unfair refs.

Absolutely. To quote the Sky Sports semi-commentator (you know, the footy
pro who sits by the guy who gets paid for talking cobblers), Monkou basically
got penalised for a very good piece of defending. As for the resulting indirect
free kick ... from that distance you've got sod all chance of getting the ball
in the net cos you've got the whole Man. Utd. team stodd on the goal-line. 

Why can't this new rule have instead been a "directive" to the referee rather
than a FIFA statute ? They could have said "If people are obviously wasting
time by kicking the ball back to the keeper then nick 'em". This would have
appended a minor change to the end of the time-wasting guidelines and would
have saved this type of incident (of which there will be many hundreds more)
from happening !!

(BTW ... like Steve, I don't support either team ... long live Grantham Town)

	Dave C
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Reply-To: altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:18:44 GMT

In article Lr0@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu, dglow@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dave Low) writes:
>>>I would say he was under pressure so a free kick was stupid in this case. A 
>>>rule that is down to how a ref sees the game is no good in these days of such 
>>>unfair refs.
>Actually it is unfair Rules not Refs.. Refs only inforce the stupid rules
>
>As for making it a directive, that would leave too much room for 
>inconsistancies. What FIFA likes is consistancy. I hate when you see
>one ref callthe game one way and another call the game completely
>different. 
>Also this was already a rule called unsportsmanlike conduct. Since it
>is all in the decision of the referee he could consider passing the ball
>back to the keeper as unsportsmanlike (just like last year`s time wasting rule)
>I guess if you reallly wanted to read into it you could say that 
>there has always been a rule but now it is defined.
>
>						Dave Low
>I am just thankful hat we don`t use the rules till next year in Canada
>We can only hope that FIFA decides not to use them before they are 
>imposed into the CSA rule books....


Oh well, Dave, I guess you Canadians must have decided that since you're out
of the Olympics and the World Cup, you don't have to use the same Laws of the
Game the rest of the world abides by.  (They are in effect for all FIFA member
federations as of July 25th this year.)  When everybody flames *American* 
modifications to the Laws, be sure to qualify it as *Great White North America*,
not the US of A.  Those hosers have had one too many Mooseheads!

ciao,
Bob 

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From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs 92-93 schedule???
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:10:22 GMT

>>>You guys keep reminding me of the good old days of spurs when Ray
>>>Clemence, Ardiles, Ricky Villa, Glenn Hoddle, Gary Crooks, Clive Allen,
>>>Waddle etc were around at White Hart Lane.
>>
>>Just curious.......... did these guys win a league, FA, or any other title. I
>>always hear "the good old days" but i can't recall any titles.

>Franni

Just curious ... who are you comparing them with.  In the last few years Spurs
have won an FA cup, had long cup runs in the Littlewoods/Rumbelows cup and
last season they were the most successful British club in Europe.  This, by
their standards is a poor few years.  But compared to the majority of other
teams in the English league, it is more than many of them have achieved in the
last 50 years.  It was generally accepted for most of the 60's and 70's and
early eighties that Spurs would be challenging for all of the major titles,
which were the "good old days"  and so now we are going through a 'lean
spell'.  I don't have any exact facts with me now, but I am sure Spurs have
won more domestic cups than any others team in England.

Cheers
Charles
  
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