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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Sharks lose to Jets 8-1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:38:33 GMT

Sorry for being a day late.  School started yesterday, so everything was a
bit chaotic.

Darrin Shannon and Pat Elynuik each scored two goals to help the Winnipeg Jets
past the Sharks 8-1 in an exhibition game Tuesday night, leaving both teams
2-3-1 in exhibitions.  The Sharks have now lost three straight after opening
pre-season 2-0-1.

Ed Olczyk, Teemu Selanne (I know that you Finns will correct me and use
Sel{nne (sp), :-), but I'm sticking with the English :-)), Keith Tkachuk, and
Phil Housley added a goal each.

The Sharks were able to rob a shutout from Jets goaltender Rick Tabaracci, as
rookie Ed Courtenay scored at 19:17 of the third period.

Elynuik opened the scoring less than two minutes into the game on a rush with
Shannon that sent both Sharks goalie Brian Hayward, who took the loss, playing
the entire game, and the San Jose net flying.

Partial box score:

San Jose	0 0 1	1
Winnipeg	3 3 2	8

FIRST PERIOD
1.	Winnipeg, Elynuik (Shannon, Olausson), 1:22.
2.	Winnipeg, Olczyk (Ulanov, Murray), 7:31.
3.	Winnipeg, Shannon (Borsato), 10:02.

SECOND PERIOD
4.	Winnipeg, Selanne (Steen), 1:43.
5.	Winnipeg, Shannon (Borsato, Elynuik), 5:17.
6.	Winnipeg, Tkachuk (Selanne, Olausson), 13:30, PP.

THIRD PERIOD
7.	Winnipeg, Housley (Selanne, Olausson), 9:12.
8.	Winnipeg, Elynuik (Housley, Borsato), 11:32.
9.	San Jose, Courtenay (Snuggerud), 19:17.

Shots-on-goal:		San Jose 7-9-12-28.	Winnipeg 16-12-8-36.
Goalies:	San Jose, Hayward (36-28).
		Winnipeg, Tabaracci (28-27).

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Dean Evason for Selke!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: daryll@daryllf.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Daryll France)
Subject: Minor and Junior League team addresses
Keywords: addresses
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:00:05 GMT

Hello gang,

I'm collecting addresses for all of the minor (AHL,IHL,ECHL) and junior (OHL,WHL,
QMJHL) league teams.  If you know of a team's  address, please send them to me via
e-mail.  Also, any information about contacts for addresses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
-- 
Daryll D. France                       NFHL - PHI, NAFHL - KC
Tandem Computers, Inc.         Commissioner of the Dream Team Baseball League
(408) 285-7675                          
france_daryll@tandem.com    FAAALLOOOOOON!  He shoots, He scooooorrrreeeesss! 
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: AHL Preview -- Hamilton and New Haven
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:45:28 GMT

Since I donot have much player info on the Hamilton Canucks
or the New Haven Senators but still want to give some info on them:
here is a brief overview of the non-player aspects of the
expansion Hamilton Canucks and the new New Haven Senators

HAMILTON CANUCKS
Head coach: Jack McIlhargey
Asst/player coach: Rick Vaive
GM: Pat Hickey
Arena: Copps Coliseum
Prediction: Team is an unknown but the South is pretty weak
	after Binghamton and Rochester. Hershey is definitely
	an unknown. 3rd place, 84 pts.

NEW HAVEN SENATORS
Head coach: Don Macadam
Arena: New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Prediction: Team is also sketchy but they are getting the players who
	couldn't make the expansion team. Still should be good 
	enough to surpass the entry the Bruins usually put forth in
	their farm system. 4th place, 68 pts.

===========================================
1991-92 INFO
RECORD:		39-37-4
PTS, PLACE:	82, 3rd
HOME:		25-14-1
ROAD:		14-23-3
GOALS FOR:	305
GOALS ALLOWED	309

1992 PLAYOFFS
  1st round:	lost to Adirondack, 4-1


-----
Bri Farenell				CONGRATS TO 1992 CALDER CUP  
Clarkson '95					CHAMPIONS
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  	  THE ADIRONDACK RED WINGS
rec.sport.hockey's AHL contact	      ALSO: 1981, 1986 AND 1989 CHAMPS
-----							
"Eleven Israelis were dead. Machine guns were everywhere. Who knew what
would happen next. Going on made sense only if you believed in the idea
of sport as more than a game."	---Dave Kindred, on the 1972 Olympics
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: First Female in Hockey
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:43:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Sep25.175342.7033@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves) writes:
>snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>So where have the posts of outrage been over teams drafting and signing
>>sons of front-office personnel or buddies, even with weak credentials?
>
>	Probably because this doesn't happen very often, if at all.
>Has it happened in the NHL?  I can't think of such a case...
>BRETT HULL???  MARK HOWE???  Maybe KEN HODGE Jr???

It does happen regularly in hockey; for example, the Sharks drafted the
son of Chuck Grillo, one of the front office people.  It usually happens in
the late rounds, and you don't hear much about it because those guys seldom
make it.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: stewart@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Terry Stewart)
Subject: Re: Schoenfeld checks in at ESPN
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:46:00 GMT

In article <oen4cH_00YV_E1S1V9@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>If you want a major hockey analyst's job and lack experience,telling
>>referee to have another doughnut and calling him a fat pig doesn't hurt.
>> 
>>Jim Schoenfeld became ESPN's analyst(color man) alongside Gary Thorne
>
>Four years and we're still taunting Schoenfeld for losing his temper.
>Give me a break.
>I'm gonna go out on a limb here (but I won't jump even though some of
>you would like me to) and say that he's got to be better than JD.
>At some point in time, Walter Cronkite had no experience.
>Mom.
>

Thanks, Mom!  
 
I played minor sports with Schoeny.  No one, that I have played
with since, is funnier in the dressing room.  Schoeny just might
surprise you guys, with a disarming smile, a working man's knowledge
of the NHL and a great sense of humour. 
 
Give him a chance.
 
Terry
From: Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Joel Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Where were you in '72?
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:22:32 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Ken Loo writes:
>
> 1) Do you remember where you were on this date in '72 when Henderson
> clinched the series for Team Canada?

I was in high school, in Art class (I think).  Our teacher, Mr. Ross, had
brought in little B&W TV so that we could watch the game while we created our
masterpieces.

--

       Joel Murray / Vancouver, British Columbia  /  Canada, Eh?
       Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca               CIS:  73200,3117

Ligneous and petrous projectiles can potentially fracture my osseous structure,
but pejorative appellations will forever remain innocuous.
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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: Rookie determination
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.030456.28401@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin) writes:
>
>
>>> WHether a player is a rookie or not (at least for the ROY award)
>>> is determined by both how old he is (see Sergei Makarov) (I think
>>> the age limit is 26)
>
> 
>   I thought when Makarov won, he was closer to being 30 then 
>   the 26 being thrown around here. Besides, I don't see why
>   there should be any age limit on being eligible for  
>   the Rookie of the Year award. I mean, if someone who is say
>   in their 30's or 40's even 50's, as unlikely as it may be,
>   if they can put up numbers that are comparable to those of
>   the teens or 20-year-olds, provided they also meet the number
>   of games in a season, total game in career criteria, I see
>   no reason why they can't win the award. In fact, they should
>   be given the award, if all things being equal, ie, stats, for
>   being able to do it at such a late stage in their lives.
>
>
> my 2 $0.02.

The age limit for rookies was first introduced the year after Sergei
Makarov won the ROY, I believe in 1989.  The reason for this is to keep 
the award for true 'rookies', not for players who had played in other
leagues which are not officially deemed as professional leagues.  Makarov
played for the Soviet National team for several years before coming to the
NHL. It is not really fair to real 'rookies' to make them compete against
players with years of international experience.

Charlie Cook


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From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh's faceoff men
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:37:06 GMT

I thought Bryan Trottier retired!?!
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: predictions anyone?
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:45:54 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

[I can't find the original poll, so please feel free to download this
as my entry ...]

    Smythe          Norris             Adams           Patrick
  ----------       --------          ---------       -----------

1. Vancouver       1. Detroit        1. Montreal      1. NY Rangers
2. Winnipeg        2. Chicago        2. Buffalo       2. New Jersey
3. Edmonton        3. Toronto        3. Hartford      3. Pittsburgh
4. Los Angeles     4. Minnesota      4. Quebec        4. Philadelphia
5. Calgary         5. St. Louis      5. Boston        5. NY Islanders
6. San Jose        6. Tampa Bay      6. Ottawa        6. Washington

NOTES:

Some of these races will be very tight, going down to the final night
of the season.  The point spread from positions 3 to 5 in the Smythe,
Norris and Adams will come down to 3-4 points.  The Penguins will put
a little more distance into their 3rd place finish, and the Flyers
will squeak in by one point past the Islanders and Caps, with Isles 
in 5th by merit of winning their season series against Capitals.

The point spread from 1st to 3rd will be about 5-10 points.  I'm
predicting a very tight season with the expansion teams not doing
too much to give anyone in their division an edge, except a shot
at the President's Trophy for the non-Patrick division winners.

The final will be Rangers over Jets, in 6 games.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
From: jmal+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judith Mezyk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: HELP!!! NHLSCHED: Pittsburgh Penguins
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:49:55 GMT
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Could some kind person please post or email me a Penguins schedule...I
know when the games this month (october) are scheudled but for the next
months.


Thanks in advance

Judy
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: About these penalties....
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:49:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mach1.BvCv2D.C0t
Distribution: na
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

Several of you have been complaining about the referees' tendency to blow
the whistle every thirty seconds or so and send players off to the penalty
box. You have remarked, and correctly, that if this continues, hockey will
join golf and darts at the top end of the boredom scale. 

But you are, of course, forgetting that the players have caused this. 

In the last five or seven years, I have seen:

--a certain Philadelphia goaltender who shall remain nameless (let's just
say he now plays for the Nordiques) take his stick and use it like a
baseball bat on an Edmonton player;

--the new "fight line" become prominent, the purpose of which is to make the
fans forget about the little black sphere and watch goons on each team beat
the shit out of each other;

--Stu Grimson of the Blackhawks going completely berserk and charging the
entire Toronto team, the officials, some of the members of his own team and
his coaching staff, and then have the gall not to offer any sort of apology.

I could go on and on and on. Gretzky is gone now, the victim of one too many
dirty checks from behind. Hockey was starting to resemble professional
wrestling. Just goes to show you that the players cannot be trusted to play
by rules which aren't stringently enforced.

So, now the rules are enforced. And fans are, of course, complaining. One
wonders what the players think of this. I bet they are mad as hell, because
now it just won't be tolerated if they skate out to center and assault the
opposition. A goon player makes more money in a season then I will in a
lifetime, and he has the right to put anyone he wants in the hospital. Gee,
I envy him.

So, the 1992-93 season will, if the refs keep their balls, be extremely
annoying for awhile and then hockey will return. Goons are stupid, but they
aren't stupid enough to keep drawing penalties for an entire season.

-- 
Ken Breadner			The BREADbox: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca
Wilfrid Laurier Day-Care Centre (oops, University)
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada-for-now.
VI, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, SPRINGS FROM THE BELLY OF THE DEVIL.
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: It's on KBL (was Re: ESPN Schedule for Oct.-Dec.)
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:48:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

In article <92276.150808RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>2
>In reply to Mark's article, two things :
>1. The majority of people don't watch/care about commercials - this is when
>I get up to get my nachos and food and stuff.

It doesn't matter if nobody watches them--  all that matters is that
the sponsers give enough $$$ to keep the network happy, so they
continue to turn a profit.  The price of commercials depends on market
size, which is determined by the number of viewers.

>2. At least in the Pittsburgh area, who would watch the E.S.P.N. version
>over KBL - Mike Lange is a better play by play man.  Of course, people might
>watch ESPN so they don't have to put up with Steigy!!!!!!!
>    I understand what you're saying, though.

Have you ever HEARD anyone else, or is the the de facto best since he
is from Shittsburg?

-JPC

-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
John P. Curcio                  Go Bruins!                 Philips Laboratories
jpc@philabs.philips.com                                    345 Scarborough Road
(914) 945-6442                                       Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510
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From: markp@ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best defencemen (was: Bruins fan)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:47:17 EDT
Organization: Ziff-Davis, Medford MA


Being a Bruins fan (and perhaps somewhat bias) I have to say that as far as
overall defensemen go, Ray Bourque is still the best.  Leetch deserved the
Norris trophy last year, he had an outstanding year, but there is no one
in professional hockey that can control a game night in and night out like
Bourque.

There's a lot of great players around that score a lot more points, but Ray
while he's on the ice, dictates how the game will be played.  I haven't seen
much of Leetch, maybe 4 or 5 games a year, but I doubt he's as physical as
Bourque is.  Bourque, along with Moog, was a target last year that took a
pretty big beating.   The Bruins didn't have anyone to retaliate, and Ray
can't be dropping his gloves, so he had a hard time of it.

People will say that players like Lemieux and Messier can control a game
likewise, which is true to a degree, but not like Bourque.  Messier may
be the closest.  Mario is pure offense while not being a defensive liability,
but Bourque are so physical and can still score.

Enough blabing, I just can't say enough about him.  Let me leave you all with
one thought to ponder:  taking away all of the points from Coffey, Leetch,
MacInnis, Bourque, Murphy, Housley, and all, and who is the first defenseman
you take on only defensive skill?

I pick Ray.  And he'll still get you 80 or 85 points on top of that.

Leetch is closing, and he's number 2.

And I think Murphy was a huge all around player for Pittsburgh last year, so
he's number 3.
 
I suppose I'll get flamed, but it'll be worth it.

Mark


Disclaimer :  My company is based out of New York, so they may like Leetch
              better.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN vs. SCA
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:36:19 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch) writes:

>Last year, I could watch a lot on SCA, and those who didn't have SCA
>could go to sports bar and watch a lot of hochey, too. 

SCA doesn't reach as many homes as ESPN does; in fact, consider that
SCA's numbers are cooked because they include the number of homes on
cable systems with a regional pay SC outlet but don't subscribe it,
the actual number of televisions getting hockey (if you count third
party buyers like SportSouth and some local Prime outlets) was not
much more than all the TV sets in Canada that at least get hockey
over-the-air.

A sports bar, you say?  Not if baseball, basketball, or (especially)
football is on.  Maybe in a big place with lots of sets and you're in
a tight corner watching a 19" overflow monitor with the six or seven
other hockey fans, and you can't even hear to sound due to the sheer
loudness of the "main event" ... besides, that's de facto Pay Per 
View at $10 a night with beer and some eats.

>Now we all will get miserable 1-2 games per week from those ESPN
>idiots, who, unlike SCA, don't seem to respect hockey at all.

ESPN let their anti-hockey jocks do a hatchet job on the greatest game
in the world because they lost their contract to a competitor ... hey,
why pat SCA on the back?  Personally, I didn't mind SC's coverage but
it's a pay service in my area so I only took it for playoffs (and this
past year, I watched the replays because they came in-the-clear (-;).
Yes, 1-2 games per week is a concern to me despite having the Rangers
on another basic channel ... there'll be no double-headers from West
Coast games, etc.  If SC were smart, they'd say to themselves, "Hey,
there are six other days in the week that we can have!" and get some
kind of bargain contract as an out-of-court settlement* ... it doesn't
cost them any more to pipe their local games to their "national" feed
and they could also try to get first preference for the ESPN alternate
games* (and maybe provide Friday double header games from the Campbell
after an ESPN eastern time game, with a 20-30 minute interruption for
SportsCenter at 11:30 ET and then back to finish the hockey game).

[* heck, they didn't even need to go to court for THAT!]

Hey, I think that I'm in the wrong field! (-; (-; (-;

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Strat-O-Matic Hockey
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:58:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal


                           MONTREAL STRAT-O-MATIC HOCKEY LEAGUE
                                STANLEY CUP SERIES 1991-92
          (Based on the 1990-91 NHL statistics-so San Jose not in there)


                              WALES CONFERENCE (Best of 5)


      ADAMS DIVISION                                             PATRICK DIVISION

        Semi-Finals                                                Semi-Finals

Hartford over Boston in 5                               Pittsburgh over New Jersey in 3
Montreal over Buffalo in 3                              N.Y.Rangers over Philadelphia in 3

          Finals                                                      Finals

Montreal over Hartford in 4                             N.Y.Rangers over Pittsburgh in 5


                         WALES CONFERENCE FINALS (Best of 5)

                            Montreal over N.Y.Rangers in 4


                           CAMPBELL CONFERENCE (Best of 5)

      NORRIS DIVISION                                          SMYTHE DIVISION

        Semi-Finals                                              Semi-Finals

Minnesota over Chicago in 3                             Calgary over Edmonton in 5
Detroit over St.Louis in 5                              Los Angeles over Winnipeg in 5

          Finals                                                   Finals

Minnesota over Detroit in 5                             Calgary over Los Angeles in 5


                        CAMPBELL CONFERENCE FINALS (Best of 5)

                             Minnesota over Calgary in 4

*********************************************************************************************************

                            STANLEY CUP FINALS (Best of 7)

                             Montreal over Minnesota in 6
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: AHL Preview -- Binghamton Rangers
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:56:11 GMT

BINGHAMTON RANGERS		SOUTHERN DIVISION CHAMPIONS
===========================================
1991-92 INFO
RECORD:			41-30-9
PTS, PLACE:		91, 1st
GOALS FOR:		318
GOALS ALLOWED		277
TEAM GAA:		3.42

LEADING SCORER:		Don Biggs, 82 points
LEADING GOAL SCORER:	Ross Fitzpatrick and Jody Hull, 34
LEADING ASSISTS:	Rob Zamuner, 53
TOP GOALIE:		Boris Rousson (3.26)

1992 PLAYOFFS
  1st round:		defeated Utica, 4-0
  2nd round:		lost to Rochester, 4-3


After blowing a 3-1 quarterfinal lead to Rochester (with home ice
advantage), there is much pressure on head coach Ron Smith to bring
to Cup to Binghamton for the 1st time since 1983.

The Rangers lost 3 key players to the expansion teams. Veteran goalie
Mark Laforest went to Ottawa while top prospect Rob Zamuner signed
with Tampa. Defensive stalwart Jeff Bloemberg is also gone. Rousson and
rookie Corey HIrsch will handle goaltending duties while defenseman Mike
Hurlbut must take over defensive leadership. The Rangers also traded
co-leading goal scorer Jody Hull and i'm unsure if Don Biggs and
Ross Fitzptrick wil be back. In short, the Rangers will be lacking a
great deal of offense but expect youngster Steven King to be aan
offensive force.			

PREDICTION: 1st place, 90 pts, Calder Cup Finalists (lose to St John's)

-----
Bri Farenell				CONGRATS TO 1992 CALDER CUP  
Clarkson '95					CHAMPIONS
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  	  THE ADIRONDACK RED WINGS
rec.sport.hockey's AHL contact	      ALSO: 1981, 1986 AND 1989 CHAMPS
-----							
"Eleven Israelis were dead. Machine guns were everywhere. Who knew what
would happen next. Going on made sense only if you believed in the idea
of sport as more than a game."	---Dave Kindred, on the 1972 Olympics


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