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From: khui@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Kelvin Y. Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Request for charter boat number
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:37:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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Keywords: charter, guide

I want to do some lingcod fishing in Santa Cruz but the party
boat I used to go to relocate to Hawaii.  Any suggestion for
a clean and fast boat (preferably still doing live bait fishing
in late September)?  How about half moon bay?

I would also like to compile a list of charter boats/guides all over
the country to put into the FAQ.  Will appreciate if you can mail
me a brief description of the landings in your locality.

Kelvin Hui
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Crayfish Immitation
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:36:17 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.


In article <1684D73D8.M23317@mwvm.mitre.org> KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke) writes:
>Has anyone had success in tying a small crayfish immitation?  They are highly
>successful smallmouth live bait and plastic works well.  There ought to be a
>way to rig up a brown feather fish fooler, but I haven't managed yet.
>                  -Ken

Ken,

    You might try tying a few brown or brick red wolly buggers. They are
    reputed to suggest crayfish in profile and action. I've had great
    luck with them on "my river" which does have a good natural popu-
    lation of the little buggers (pun intended). I use black mostly and
    on occasion olive green. There are crayfish paturns that are attempts
    to "match the hatch" - 'claushers(sp) craw' is one (I think). What I
    usualy do to learn a new paturn is to buy a few at the fly shop, fish
    one or two, and if they produce I then sit down at the old tying bench
    and try to reproduce them.....

BTW - The fish I chase with 'buggers are rainbow trout
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Originator: jmc@newton.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:37:08 GMT

From article <RAF50.92Aug26111704@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com>, by raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel):
> dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley) writes:
> 
> 
> Note that palmering requires an above average quality feather (long
> usable section with even length barbs.)
> 
> richard.frankel@amail.amdahl.com

True, but when I tied up some BassBuggers...I like to use feathers where
the barbules slightly tapered from shorter near the tip to longer near 
the butt.  I tie in the tip at the rear of the fly and wind toward the
head.  The tapered look is kind of fun.  A BassBugger is just a knarly
looking WoolyBugger.  :-)  Dainty Trout versus Largemouth "Mr. Hawg" Bass.
This is the image I keep in my mind when trying to tie flies for the
various species.  The marabou tail and palmered hackle cause this fly to
have really nice action in the water.  Tie in some crystal hair or
flashabou for a touch of razzle-dazzle...Someone in this group told me
once to lighten up on the classic fly pattern and go wild!

JC in VT
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From: shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: More News from Keys/Joyce King
Reply-To: shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:26:04 GMT

Below is the mail I got from Joyce.  She asked me to post it.  For those
of you who did not follow Joyce's posting to alt.fishing, she was our
best source of info on Keys fishing - and her husband, Fred, captains a
charter boat out of Islamorada.

> I talked to Fred this morning.  The Keys were barely touched.  Fred
> said this storm was like Camille in that the energy was very compact.
> The Islamorada Lady rode out the storm in the mangroves.  Mangroves
> have great wind-absorbing properties.  The trick is to tie the boat
> with lines long enough to rise on the storm surge but not so long as
> to get tangled.  The Lady lost a handrail.  A mangrove branch got under
> it.  People in the Keys were very lucky.  They have telephone service
> (I got through this morning with no trouble) and water, but don't expect
> electricity for 3 weeks to a month.  It doesn't seem to bother them...
> nobody takes anything too seriously in the Keys.  Fred says for you to
> tell the net that reef dwellers will be biting like crazy, as will
> fish in the bay.  He is going for yellowtail snapper today, which he will
> smoke in his charcoal smoker.  I think he is trying to make us jealous.
>
> The Bird Center sustained some wind damage, but Oz (the osprey who sits
> on my shoulder) survived, as did all the others recuperating there.
>
> I'll probably be flying down this weekend and driving down the next.
>
>                      Joyce

-- 
   ~ ~    Shelley R. Heard (shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com)
 ( o o )  Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: KBrooke@mitre.org (Ken Brooke)
Subject: Re:  Making Lures (was Palmered hackle?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.154725@ratchet.Prime.COM> kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM 
(Bernie Kosicki) writes:
> Does making blufish plugs from pieces of old broom handels, steel wire
> and huge Jaw-Breaker hooks count as fly tying?  :-)   (Just kidding
> around)
No kidding around...I vote that it does.  I was on a business trip 
recently and was diverted to Houston for a week's stay.  In my spare time, 
I wandered around the beachfront and passes and other favorite local salt 
water fishing areas with my fly-fishing gear (all that I had with me).  No 
one was using flys, preferring huge hunks of dead sealife for bait.  Not 
being able to resist, I broke out my stuff, waded in, and proceeded to 
have a ball with croakers, sand trout, small redfish, and even a few 
flounder.  The incredulous stares and comments made my day.  One codger 
observed me for about an hour, then walked up to me when I came in to sit 
and rest my arms and asked, "Are you an Englishman?"  His accent was so 
think I could hardly understand him.  I of course answered in my best 
imitation Texas drawl, "Nope, native Texan.  You?"  Turns out he was born 
in Scotland, and remembers his daddy and his ten-foot split bamboo fly rod.  Had some great suggestions, and I helped him dispose of his Lone Stars before they got warm.

Went back to the hotel after buying some 1/0 and larger hooks and some 
ribbon and tied some big streamers.  They worked OK, but I lost every one 
after a strike or two.  Seems you have to use wire leaders cause of sharp 
teeth and gill covers.  Has anyone tried the combination of light fly 
tackle and wire leaders?  Seems like the combo would be too heavy & stiff 
to use.  

                 -Ken
As always, my employer does not necessarily endorse, and may disagree 
with, my opinions.
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Kites and Fishing
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 12:57:31 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2


	This is a serious post, and not misdirected from Rec.Outdoors.Kites.
I am a very serious fisherman, who fishes for perch, bluegill, trout,
salmon, walleye, carp, bass etc routinely.
	However, if you have experienced one of those weeks (months, years)
during which you have been *skunked* and miss the feel of a large fish
try the following:
Hook a large kite up to a snap-swivel (30lbs test rated), connect to at
least 25lb monofilament and use an open-face spinning reel with a very
stiff-action rod (like those used for King Salmon, ie 'thick-as-a-broom
handle'.  Pick a windy, blustery day and fly it!!
	My wife is a kid at heart and always drags me out to help her fly the
D#@n thing.  I tried using the fish rod technique and had a blast.  Not
as good as catching the real thing, but you'll be surprised if you try
it.  By setting the drag just right, I could even make the thing run.
	Please don't flame me on this, it really is fun (almost the next best
thing to fishing), and is a great substitute for when you want to go
fishing but can't.

BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:16:15 GMT


adowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:

>In article <14295@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>In article <srh3.714839841@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
>>|I did a little fishing in Arkansas on the White River a couple of years
>>|ago and saw many nice sized trout landed with kernels of canned corn.
>>
>>Corn does seem to work well for trout.  I've also seen some large rainbows 
>>caught on mini-marshmallows, as well as marshmallow/salmon egg combinations.
>>I used to use "Zeke's floating bait" quite often.  They had corn, cheese, and
>>marshmallow flavors available.  There were also a variety of colors available.
>>This was pre-powerbait.
>>
>>-- 
>>+============================================================================++
>>| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
>>| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
>>+============================================================================++

>Interestingly enough, the use of corn as bait is prohibited in some
>states. I'm not sure what the reason is, but I'm guessing that it has
>something to do the fact that corn kernels fall to the bottom, the
>trout ingest them, and the kernels do a number on their digestive
>tract. I know either Maine or Rhode Island have prohibited corn in the
>past
>although it may be legal now. Anyway, check the regs before using!

OK, I asked the same question of my father when we were sitting on a
lake in Oregon. At the tiem he didn't know why they liked it. He did
some checking with some of the local fish hatcheries, and it turns out
that corn looks quite similar to the food that they feed (at least to
a fish it seems to). I'd guess that local laws prohibiting this are
trying to give the fish a better chance at survival.

Sorry for the strange message before this, blame our sysadm... He
broke in and decided that able had to be rebooted...

*********************************************************************

                                        Tom Dietrich

It's been reported that Ted Kennedy has been dating Debbie the
inflatable doll recently... Good move Ted, Debbie floats!

 e-mail: txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                                       
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Line protectant
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.211223.29585@menudo.uh.edu> HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A) writes:
>
>
>Can anybody tell me what is the best and cheapest way to protect
>fly lines from ageing? I've been using "Armor All (?)"
>and wonder if this is the best treatment. I do a lot of saltwater
>wade-fishing in the Gulf and consequently my lines get a good dose
>of salt and UV.
>

John:

I stick with the line comapny's cleaner, on the principle thay they
best know the chemistry of their products.  Overton's line dressing
seems pretty good, too, and Glide really does seem to help lines through
the guides.

But then there was the time I heard a Sci Anglers rep saying that any
dressings -- he singled out both Cortland's AND Armor All -- would 
accelerate plasticizer migration out of the line, thus prematurely
aging it.  (Hence one shouldn't use dressings on SA Ultra lines, which
a made with extra plasticizer near the braided core).  It be commercial
hype.  Of course, we could go out of the range of PVC lines entirely
and try the new-model Airflo series, which don't need plasticizers
because unlike PVC the raw material is naturally flexible.  (I got one 
as a freebie at a regional FFF conclave, but I've not used it: WF-6-F
is heavier than I use for most trouting, including on the Green, San
Juan, and what's left of Lees Ferry, but too light for when I hit the
surf in California.)

Any chemists out there to answer this one?

Happy trails



-- 
Bruce Pencek                     bpencek@nevada.edu
Political Science Dept           bpencek@nevada2.bitnet
University of Nevada, Las Vegas  (702) 739-3307
"Just because I work at UNLV, it doesn't mean I support basketball."
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Trout and Corn??
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:06:38 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <srh3.714839841@Ra.MsState.Edu> srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis) writes:
|I did a little fishing in Arkansas on the White River a couple of years
|ago and saw many nice sized trout landed with kernels of canned corn.

Corn does seem to work well for trout.  I've also seen some large rainbows 
caught on mini-marshmallows, as well as marshmallow/salmon egg combinations.
I used to use "Zeke's floating bait" quite often.  They had corn, cheese, and
marshmallow flavors available.  There were also a variety of colors available.
This was pre-powerbait.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
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From: "Jeffrey R. Millar" <p00093@mail.psi.net>
Subject: Bass vs Trout vs Carp
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:53:12 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.11)

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:17:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

dannyl@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Sui-Kit Leung) writes:
> 
>     Hello all,

Good stuff deleted....

> 
>    So how is it done? Do you use safety clips and what not to guard against
>  mishaps? Thanx in advance....

The easiest  way to do it is take your rod apart.  then just thread it
like you  would  normally.  Make  sure  when  you put  your  rod  back
together  that you keep the line  straight  in the  guides...ie..  not
wrapped  around  the rod.  Otherwise  the beach it method is the best.
As far as keeping hold of your rod you can do a variety of things like
cinch it down with some twine to one of the d-rings.  I always use the
velcro rod straps that are on my Sabe.

good luck,

Dave
From: fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:10:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep2.131028.5925
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <Sep01.191400.80775@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>In article <Xjl-AAC@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
>>
>>I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
>>are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
>>SKI's. 
>
>Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
>compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
>Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
>fishing line!
>
That's a fact and sometimes they don't look where they are going. I ran over
one a couple summers ago. The guy was in front of me and to my left. He was
traveling in the same direction I was( I was at full throttle headed back to
the dock after a great day of catching bass AND trout) when he fell off of
his jet ski. The family remarked hey look the guy fell. Well the A**hole
climbs back on, guns it and makes a right turn. I had no chance to avoid him.
He went right under the boat and disappeared. I was afraid I had killed him.
A moment or two later he and the jet ski bobbed to the surface. I got them
to land someone had called the sheriff already. He was cited for unsafe 
operation but that did not pay for my ruined prop or the pallor that it
cast upon a beautiful day.

Frank
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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 10:44:18 GMT

Getting back to the initial question . . . 

	Why would you ever risk losing valluable fishing equipment for the
	cost of a little of your time to get out of the water and do it the
	right way?  If you lost your rod/reel you would be kicking yourself
	in the a** from now on!  Think about it!  Better yet, change lines
	before you ever get to the fishing site and be totally prepared to
	fish.  Even if you have to get more than one rod/reel with different
	types/weights of line.  I don't know about you but my fishing equipment
	is too precious to chance losing because of carelessness.


							Good Tubing!!

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From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:50:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Fishing Near Ashland, Oregon
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

You could do worse than the Rogue R.

g (...but just the water that dripped off the damn thing once
   we got it in the boat nearly swamped us.) t
From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Sage Guarantee
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:42:06 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.
In-reply-to: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU's message of 3 Sep 92 00:16:47 GMT


   Does anybody know what the Sage policy is on replacing broken fly
   rod tips under warranty?  Will they replace it regardless of how
   much stupidity was involved in breaking it?

My experience with Sage has been no questions asked. A friend sent his
rod back twice in about 2yrs. The first time the tip was closed in a
car door!

The lighter weight (<5) Sages are notorious for breaking tips. So...
no questions asked.
rick
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From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Fishing Report...Lower Columbia(long)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:20:35 GMT

> On all the hooks, the end of the hook was NOT cut flush, but more like
> pinched before the eye of the hook was formed. This left a nice sharp
> edge right where the cut end is bent around and butted up against the
> shank to form the eye.

Some Mustads are the same way.   Atleast when fly tying, it's recommended
to wrap thread around the pinched area - looks ugly, but it protects the
line.

> It turned out to be a 20 lb., 38 inch steelhead, my personal best!

Yikes, a monster B Idaho steely it sounds like.  Congrats.   Thanks for
the report.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:44:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.125748.11202@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick) writes:
|> 
|> All you people are being highly critical of jetskiers, but they fight 
|> much harder than any bass or trout.  The critical part of the fight is
|> when they make that last desperate run for their car.  This is a true
|> test for any tackle.  I usually use a gaff to land them and remember
|> that they have teeth so keep your fingers away from their mouthes.
|> Lately I have been employing a sort of personal taggin program by
|> clipping off a finger before I release them.  Hope this helps.
|> 

This is the kind of abuse of natural resources that really ticks me 
off.  A purported C&R advocate who is unwittingly impacting the 
resource due to ignorance.  I ALWAYS gently hold the jetskier 
underwater facing upstream (or slowly move the boat) 
 with it's mouth open for several minutes before release.
I am sure that various studies have shown conflicting results from 
this technique, but I have personally found it to be almost 
100-percent effective.  


			-Pat.
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Feeding/Chumming (was Re: Skunked!!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:59:16 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <1992Aug19.215228.21068@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
>In article <Bt79Dx.9u9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:
>>
>>Once I was fishing for trout with corn and watched a school of them
>>swimming around just looking it my corn for a long while.  Finally,
>>I got bored and decided to just throw in all the corn I had to feed
>>them.  I took a handful from the can I had and tossed it in and they
>>went into a freeding frenzy gobbling every last bit.  Gee, this looks
>>promissing I thought, and put some corn back on my hook, dropped it in
>>and then tossed in another handful of corn and had one instantly.
>>
>>This works so well, it's hardly sporting.  Might as well just throw
>>a net over the school.
>
>Isn't chumming illegal in just about 99% of the United States?  Why not
>just buy the trout?

Interesting. Here in England `feeding the swim' (throwing in lots
of free samples) is normal practice. Indeed without it one wouldn't
generally catch much. All part of the art of angling. Is that what
you mean by `chumming'? This is only for coarse fishing; most places
do not allow bait fishing for trout or salmon.

Nigel