Newsgroups: ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Political Correctness (was Re: The real reason strayts reject gay men (was: Lesbian perspective))
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:32:43 GMT
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In article <1992Aug23.183117.6825@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.153423.9418@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug19.212852.26630@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>>>What is "political correctness?"

>>See the sentence below...

>>>>Look at it.

>>>>I state a fact that Dauber doesn't like.  He responded
>>>>with a personal attack.  I said something that attacks his view of the
>>>>world, therefore I am evil.

>This doesn't answer my question.  What is "political correctness?"
>You speak of it as if it constitutes a coherent philosophy of life, in
>some abstract sense.  What do you define generally as "political
>correctness?"

I don't give a general description because it is kind of hard.
(Define "life"?  Is a virus alive?  But despite the difficulty in
defining it the word is useful.)

One of the characteristics of political correctness is to ignore the
facts in favor of a personal attack on the person who states them.
I.E. 

"X% of rapists are black."

"You are racist scum for saying that."

>>>Did you not invoke personal attacks by saying that the only purpose of
>>>a woman is to serve a man sexually?

>>No.  Please work on your reading comprehension.  I did not say that.
>>Someone asked what males thought about lesbians.  I told him what most
>>males thought.

>And tossed in for free, we got such value-laden speech that you leave
>yourself without a chance in hell of masquerading your little jack-off
>fantasies about "ugly lesbians" and "pretty lesbians" as anything
>resembling objectivity or fact.

Well, to hit your arguments in order....

1.  Sure it's free.  Why?  You want me to charge?

2.  Value-laden?  What's wrong with values?  I am describing certain
peoples' values.  You don't like that?  Tough.

3.  Re "ugly lesbians" and "pretty lesbians", are you saying that
these categories do not exist?  After all, they most certainly do.
Perhaps you mean that they should not exist?

4.  I don't remember posting anything about fantasies.

5.  Please identify a nonfactual statement in my post.

>>>Actually, don't tell me where you get off.  I don't think I want to
>>>know, as long as you don't do it on my computer screen any more.

>>Well, Tim, I certainly prefer what I get off on to what you get off on.

>What's that?  Women?  Men?

Well, for me it's women.  Based on you sig, I figure you prefer men.

>____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
>\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992


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