From: jav@troy.uucp (25853-lujan)
Subject: Re: MARS
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:15:42 GMT
Summary: MARS in Cancer

In article <BvsuHD.1LM@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.143800.337@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
> >In article <BvpvxJ.42L@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
> >
> >> >any planet in its fall to be weak and ineffectual. The problem exists in attempting
> >> >to live the energy of a planet and sign that are incompatible.
> >> 
> >> >I have Mars in Cancer, and it IS a pain in the ass. The absolute, most important
> >> >thing to learn about it is to let it be. Mars in Cancer can't make a move until
> >> >it FEELS that it's OK to do so, which is totally antithetical to the nature of Mars.
> >> 
> >> Mars stopped by emotion.  You are just proving my point.
> >> >
> >> >I also do NOT believe that planets in retrograde are weak. In fact, they sometimes
> >> >can become overpowering because the energy is turned INWARD and is no longer
> >> >externalized. Well, the whole point of looking at a chart is to become conscious
> >> 
> >> Try Yoga or counselling.  The whole point of charts is to find things out.  Not
> 
> >> >Actually, you couldn't pay me to have a Mars in Aries. :-)
> >> >
> >> >Stacey
> >> 
> >> I have Mars in Libra.  Having seen Mars in Capricorn in action I will swap
> >> it any day.
> >> 
> >> Xavier
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >Don't agree and don't buy it. A Cancer mars is NOT stopped by emotion. It operates
> >on intuition, timing, and a large safety factor. I used to believe astrology
> >was supposed to teach us to "handle them and counter them" (the aspects, etc.) I 
> >don't believe that anymore. It's a waste of time & energy, because you spend your 
> >life fighting the energies you were born with (and chose, I might add), trying to
> >live something that's not within you. I can't make my mars into any other sign, so I
> >sure as hell better learn to love it and integrate it. 
> >
> >And as far as I'm concerned, if you want to trade yours, you haven't learned to
> >appreciate it yet. Or that part of yourself.
> >
> >Stacey
> 
> Cancer Mars is definitly weakened.  Think about your own words.  You can only
> use Mars when it *feels* right.  It works on a large  *safety* factor.  It
> operates on *intuition*.  Come on.  Who are you trying to kid.  Where is the
> martial confidence?  Where is the bravery? Where is the rashness.  It's not
> there is it?  Even your statement that attempting to fight the influence of the
> stars is a waste of time is *typical* of a weak Mars. 
> 
> I don't mean to knock you,  we all have to feel good about ourselves in way or
> another, but pretending that white is black and black is white just does not
> work.
> 
> As for my Mars in Libra....It has made me hamdsome,socialable and (believe
> it or not) charming.  Just imagine how much *more* I could get done if it was 
> in Capricorn?  All this fluctuating energy......Argh.  You see for all it is
> in detriment and for all I like it I still see how a situation could be better.
> 
> Mars in Cancer is ineffectual.  Accept it that and you might really have
>  accepted your Mars.
> Xavier


I have MARS in cancer and find that my natal MARS gets motivated
into action by emotionally charged situations.  These situations
don't necessarily have to be negative, they can also be very positive
(helping someone I care about for example).  I believe that a well
aspected MARS can be strong and effective in any sign that it resides.
However, the sign that a planet appears show how the energy will be
channeled.  Learning how to channel a planet's energy may be troublesome
(specially if the planet is its FALL) but it's not impossible.

My MARS in Cancer makes me appear a bit temperamental, but I don't find
this necessarily bad.  The only problem I sometimes encounter in my work
is that for me to get motivated to work on a particular project, it first
have to meet the condition that it have to be emotional gratifying.
Otherwise, I just don't care and will just procrastinate.  But when I do
find that emotional gratifying reason, I can surprise many people on how
much I can accomplish.   ... Javier

p.s.  I believe that any planet in its FALL have to meet a pre-condition
      before they can fully express themselves (e.g. MARS in Cancer).