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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE%CC.WEBER.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Gerund
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What is a Gerund?  I can't remember.   LJG
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:46:44 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Something Meaningful and Profound
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On Tue, 7 Apr 1992, Anne Harwell wrote:

> I'm not a computer expert but I play one on TV...
>
> another TENET glommer. I'm not on TENET yet, maybe I'll learn why this happens
> after I get on.
>
> -abh

You're probably right...the system was down from early last evening
until after I left for school this morning.  One possible problem is that
the number of users they have far exceeds what they expected.  Someone
in Austin told me the TENET gurus had decided that the network would be
a success if they got 3,000 users signed on by the end of the school year..
I think they had 6,000 by spring break.
ndh
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

>the interpretation of the statement. In the present case, suppose English
>were to collapse into a system of grunts (one threatening grunt,
>one amorous grunt, etc). This would be a drastic language change if there ever
>were one, and to my mind a deplorable one. So, what do we learn from

Why would it be a deplorable one?  If you answer that question, maybe
we can get something more concrete into the discussion.  (Soon I have to
log off, however, so I'll leave the pieces of concrete for others to
play with.)

> linguistics that tells us that there is, on the contrary, nothing wrong
> with such a change? Reading closely Natalie's responses to this question,

Keep in mind that I'm assuming "such a change" is referring to the change
in LANGUAGE, not the cultural changes that produced that change (although,
as I've said before, making value judgments about cultural changes might
also be questioned).
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS
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> >Since it's much harder to convince the non-believers of sociolinguistic
> >truths, I'll try a historical approach, albeit with touches of value
> >judgments in it ...
>
> I take back what I attributed to Natalie, and disagree with her that
> this is a sociolinguistic truth.

What is the antecedent of "this"?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:50:17 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: slang
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Does anybody know an origin for the slang term "cool beans"?  It's
currently very popular among my students, and seems to be a favorable
comment, but no one seems to know where it originated.
ndh
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd
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I'm still waiting to see the answer to the question Theresa asked
about "fuss-budget."  It is spelled "budget."  I looked it up while
ago.  But I don't know the etymology.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:07:43 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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Ken,

I think you just published your poem in a slightly less obscure journal.

It's great. Thank you, on behalf of all the little smartasses who grew up to
make a jealous world depend on them to get their computers running.

-abh
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:19:05 GMT
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In article <01GIOJK1VPVK95MNFL@CWU.BITNET> CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Lobstrosities Unite) writes:
>Okay, this is in the way of clafification and is NOT intended as an apology.
>Clarification doesn't count as apology.  Now, I'm going to go read an article
>on Turing Machines to make sure I know at least some of what I'm talking about.

Non-apology not accepted :-)

Now, who can I wind up next...

Graham (in rambunctuous mood after the failure of democracy in the UK again)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:05:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Glass palaces and heavy mainframes

Replieth      "Adam M. Hartfield" <AHARTFIE@DRUNIVAC.DREW.EDU>

| >     How crude.  I was commenting more on locks that were ineffective
| >and addumptions about when things were being watched and how well.  A
| >large number of CC's have glass windows, but not all glass is equal.

| Obviously this Dr. has been relying too much on spelling checkers
| lately... :^)

     The Ronin doesn't use software spelling checkers.  He does
occasionally use a dictionary and is ready to admit that he needs to
go back to carrying one with him.  He also can't type at all well and
frequently doesn't proof his work.

| Anyway, I don't think Public Safety watches anything at all.  The

     On one of the break-ins on our campus, a hole was made in one of
the bottom corners of the glass in the door so that the thief could
gain access.  Upon leaving, the thief put a notice that had been
posted on the door over the hole.  'Security' came through and checked
that the door was locked, but never noticed the broken glass in the
room or the oddly place notice.  They are currently taking a fair
amount of grief in the school paper.  I am not trying to say that all
of the Public Safety people are incompetent, nor is all of this their
fault.  A lot of the staff here have no concept of security.  Gives me
more opportunities to practice self-control.

| True, a gun would certainly bring the performance of our 6310 way,
| way down.  Salty water's a neat idea.  I hadn't thought of that, and
| that's why I'm a professor, not a Herr Doktor (and I don't sell
| Rogaine, either).

     Not just a gun, but steel shot.  High conductivity, pierces metal
cabinets well, slices and dices as it goes.  Fun stuff.  And it should
be a sawed off shotgun for wider spread on the pattern.  No sense
putting all your shot in one basket.  Besides, the gun would preclude
one having to break the glass and get close to the machine first.

The Ronin, Doctor of Damage
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: AIDS response
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>The fact that you are willing to differentiate between
>"innocent" victims and other "non-innocent" victims of AIDS says to me
>that there is some shred of 'just desserts' in your view, even if it is
>non-conscious.

        While I think nobody deserves AIDS, I find this line of thinking
a little frightening.  You are deliberately trying to snap the link
between cause and effect, here.  For example, horseback riding is one
of the most dangerous sports wrt injuries.  I enjoy horseback riding,
and do it anyway.  Now, when I take a bad fall over a fence and hurt my
back (as I've done a couple times), I feel I have taken a risk and
suffered the result.  I don't feel I "deserve" to hurt my back, but I
certainly don't think of myself as completely innocent of my actions.
And I certainly don't try and sue the horse owner.  I understand the risks
I am taking and accept the responsibility.  Believing there is no link
between our actions and what happens to us is as heinous a form of magical
thinking as saying God has come up with AIDS to punish the gays.


Czarina
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Date: 9 Apr 92 23:09:09 GMT
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In article <01GIN7XE8KEC000YXF@drew.drew.edu> AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Adam M Hartfield) writes:
:>Adam, you're a wimp. Real Illuminati do them in their heads.
:>love, judith
:Hmph.  I never claimed to be a member of the Illuminati, but my boss
:is a fnord.  We'll just see who gets hugs at the clambake and who
:doesn't.

Judith will :-)  So does this mean I should wear my 'Friends of
Fernando Poo' t-shirt instead of the squeeze one?

G
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:44:12 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Voices on the list
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>>     Not to diminish Ms. Harwell when she is crossing from the right,
>>but I think this was more like showing up to a tag-team match without
>>one's team.
>>
>>The Ronin
>
>Or pants, for that matter.  Actually, the image of a gang-mower comes to mind
>in this case.
>
>Chris

I was willing to let the first insult go by...The Ronin thinks I'm not a team
player? Pshaw! I love teams!

And whazzis? I don't wear pants?

-abh
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:54:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92041522241645@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Fredric) writes:
>au contraire!  Now you are nitpicking; the word INTENTION is a paradigmatic
>sister/brother of CAUSE, so to speak; accept responsibility for your cultural
>determinism and faith in the SCIENCE OF LINGUISTICS.

Aha This is now the DEBATING STYLE called shouting LOUDER than your
OPPONENT and throwing in a few SEMIOTIC terms in the hope that you
can OUTCORUSCATE by simple LEGERDEMAIN.  (Oops - almost forgot the
unnecessary pretention:)  N'est pas?

G
[Aside: is this what you wanted? ;-)]
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Elvis stamp
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:00:08
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In-reply-to: "3669/Jonathan Lord"'s message of Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:05:04 EDT

Jonathan polls:

   I know that this is probably out of the scope of this group, but I was
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whaddya mean, "out of the scope of this group?"  This group has no scope,
undefinable morals and infinite opinion.

   wondering if anyone has taken a poll of Word-L people about their preference
   as to which Elvis stamp the USPS should manufacture; the "young" Elvis or
   the "old" Elvis?  I have a hunch as to which one this group prefers, but
   I'm not going to say.  Has this been done here already and am I being
   redundant?  Inquiring minds want to know!

My vote goes to the young guy.  The old one is too pathetic and too
symbolic of the decay of our society -- as reflective as it may be of his
career I'd just really rather not, thank you.  The "old" Elvis would be
relegated to "bird" stamp status -- unpurchasable.  

//anne, demonstrating the "infinite opinion" part of my characterisation of
words-l//
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought

One of the first things that have to be done to improve public education
is to change the means of its funding from property taxes to other kinds
of taxes.

Evelyn
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      America's Cup over the weekend.

There's been plenty of action off Point Loma since my last post.

On Friday, in light wind, KANZA got a bad start, and with 20 seconds
to the start crossed in front of STARS & STRIPES.  Because KANZA
was on port tack and STARS & STRIPES on starboard, KANZA committed
a foul and had to make a penalty turn after the start.  She caught
STARS & STRIPES halfway up the windward leg, but continued her
course and sailed out of the windshift.  Dennis Conner tacked away
and held on for a 2 minute win.  It didn't help any that KANZA's
spinnaker ripped on the sixth leg.

On Saturday, with moderate winds building to 16 knots by the end of
the race, STARS & STRIPES got a better start and rounded the
windward mark 34 seconds ahead of AMERICA**3.  At the mark it was
STARS & STRIPES'S turn to break a spinnaker, but she held on for a
17 second lead at the leeward mark.  On the beat to windward,
the wind strengthened and AMERICA**3 drew closer to STARS & STRIPES.
Two thirds of the way up the boats started a tacking duel.   Twice
the boats converged with STARS & STRIPES on starboard, and
AMERICA**3 tacked slightly ahead and to leeward.  On the third
cross, AMERICA**3 was in stronger wind, with a lift, and crossed
ahead of STARS & STRIPES.  She led by 17 seconds at the mark and
won the race by 44 seconds.

On Sunday, KANZA raced AMERICA**3.  In light winds, AMERICA**3 was
1 minute 40 seconds ahead of KANZA after four marks, when the mast
ram on KANZA broke, making sail setting dangerous and damaging some
bulkheads.

KANZA race STARS & STRIPES Monday.  The winner makes the finals.
Team America**3 will be working all night to have their boat ready
in the morning.  The weather forecast is for strong winds, which
will be to KANZA's advantage if they don't break her first.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Clam Slam
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>And suddenly there's silence.  Maybe they've all passed out.

        Yup.  I definately passed out last night.  Only to be awoken at
3am by a woman screaming below my bedroom window.  Some guy was trying to
beat the shit out of her, so we called the police.  Blargh.

Czarina
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Interdead
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> I'm back.  Everything looks normal now.  I guess it got fixed.  Probably ages
> ago, while I wasn't watching.  Thanks, Frank and Bernard!

Not ages ago.  Yesterday it was still screwed up.  But I think it has
been ok since last night.  I even got confident enough while ago to
set 'nomail' again for my bitnet address.  It's bad enough to be out
of town, tying up somebody else's phone line, telnetting through an
alien system, using a mushy keyboard, and having forgotten to bring
computer glasses.  The duplicate list mail was driving me crazy.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:22:11 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92041012230710@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Frank) writes:
:Of course they are, Graham.  It's not Scottish English, which we all know is
:far superior to the brand spoken to the south or to any of the colonial
:varieties.  Or do you disagree?  ;-)
:
:Frank McLellan (although my relatives in Cape Breton spell it MacLellan)

I like this guy!  Not often we get such intelligent and informative
postings here :-)

G
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal%CURSCI.UUCP@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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Shibboleth Steve Karlson:

:The Ronin observes, "there should be passwords to identify who is
:among the elite and who isn't ... and seems to imply an effort to
:keep the lower classes from learning these passwords."

There are and they are many and various, and mostly linguistic.
If you haven't read Mitford's book, now's the time to do so.
                    ^ Linguistic password example - surnames only.

:The lower classes make extensive efforts to learn the passwords,
:which is why the John Molloy self-improvement books sell so well,
:and which is what the public schools in the United States used to
:do.  One of the purposes of public education is to transmit the
:public culture, including the passwords.  I think the slippage began
:when the public schools did away with dress codes.

Of course, die le the il el hoi polloi usually make the mistake of
overdressing when trying to mix with the upper circles.  Those really
in the know dress like bums in 20-yr old Berbers (which I just happen
to have kicking around on the floor of the office just now getting
that well-lived-in look ;-) )

The only concession to 'smartness' you should make is an extremely
expensive pair of shoes, hand-repaired by Princess Anne's cobbler.
Unpolished.

Toal.
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From:         Janet Teuber <C0229%UNIVSCVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
              8 Apr 1992 17:42:31 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:42:31 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>
>The language of the majority of the people in influential positions
>(i.e., in power) wins.  By "wins" I mean that's what goes into
>handbooks, etc.
>
>                       If the majority of people in important positions
>in this country start using "sung" as preterit, it will show up in
>dictionaries and other books.  Probably "sang" will remain a variant --
>like "dived" and "dove."
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I await the appearance of "nucular" in the OED, as it seems to have replaced
"nuclear".  My other favorites are: "realator" - one who sells realastate,
                                    "processes" - preferred pronunciation
                                                  "process-ees"
Janet

Correction - I no longer await that last one.  Surprise, surprise - it's
             already made Webster's!  Excuse me, anyone who says it that
             way.  I'll try to adjust my ears to judge less harshly on that
             one, but I still don't get it.
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Trapped Charlie (was clams)

Yes, but Steve, they let her hand him a bag of sandwiches.  Why couldn't
she put some money in the bag?  Maybe she didn't want to, hmmm? ;-)

Evelyn
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              Apr 11, 92 2:41 pm

> but very curious to know what it meant.   Who's going to figure
> out what the missing dots represent ... we can't wait for Torkel to
> tell us.  That would be giving in.
>
Graham seems to have figured out what the dots are: the circles over
the As.  Is that correct, Torkel?
This is what happens when you violate Tushar's email etiquette
handbook and post replies before reading all the hundred odd messages
received.

rashmi
PS This is strange, replying to your own message.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:47:28 EDT
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From:         Mark Susskind <NY911179%PACEVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      I nomailize for a few days.
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              "Words Latuga" <WORDS-L@UGA.BITNET>

i have to set most of my lists to nomail for a few days because i have some
things i need to do.  i will not be able to devote as much time to e-mail as i
would like.  if you want to e-speak with me in the meantime, you will have to
send private e-mail.  see you later.  take care o' you'selves!

ciao 4 niao,
Mark R. Susskind <NY911179 @ PACEVM.BITNET>

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