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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Franz oil filters?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:22:50 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr8.181758.10233@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:

>First, congratulations on your wise choice of vehicle!  Others (hi Walt!) will
>say you should have bought the Dodge/Cummins combo but it's in short supply on
>the used market, especially in the extended cab model, and non-existent in the
>crew cab.

actually, unless there is something wrong with it, i wouldn't expect to see
*any* 'ClubCab' Cummins-powered Dodges on the used market yet...  They only
came back in the last year... ('92).                 

>In your diesel engine, I would not trust anything other than regular (every 2500
>miles) oil AND filter changes, using only the highest grade oil available (SG/CE
>ASI rating, currently).  The engine will last close to forever with care.

full agreement with the above, except one *minor* nit -- SG/CF is now the most
stringent classification.  also, at risk of starting the debate again --
Mobil-1 falls ever-further behind...  it *never* met SG/CE, now there's
SG/CF...

btw, my manual (service, not owners) says:

12mos/12000 mi for 'regular-service' oil/filter change
 6mos/ 6000 mi for 'severe-service' oil/filter change

i do mine at 4mos/ 3000 mi

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: why buy japanese?
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:16:36 GMT

While reading article <1992Apr8.182117.19121@interlan.Interlan.COM>, I noticed that
powell@interlan.Interlan.COM (Glen D. Powell) said the following:
 >The best high-fidelity equipment (IMFO) manufactured today is built in the
 >USA and in England. Check out any good audio dealer, you will find this to be
 >true.

Yes, this is quite true.
 
 >Also, NAD manufactures televisions in the USA and their audio and video
 >quality is far superior to that of any mass-produced Japanese manufacturer.

This is a point of contention.  Most folks find the Sony XBR series to be well
above the NAD in video quality, with the NAD having a bit too cool a picture
for most folks' tastes...

Sorry, folks for the non-auto departure...
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed above
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, not those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "It's Night 9 with D2 Dave!"
Xref: sparky rec.autos:10795 rec.autos.driving:2170
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 20:39:41 EDT
From: David Tascarella <DST1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: ***ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT ALIGNMENT***

This past weekend, when I was putting my summer wheels back onto my 82 Regal, I
noticed some very strange wear patterns on the front tires.  These tires are
205/70R14's on rims with about 1/2 an inch offset (out) from the stock rally
rims.  As you can see, the tires are wearing on opposite edges.

                          front of car
                  _____                 _____
                 lx    l               lx    l
                 lx    l               lx    l
                 lx    l               lx    l
                 lx    l               lx    l      x = area of wear
                 lx    l               lx    l
                 lx    l               lx    l
                  -----                 -----

Now, these tires have 22000 miles on them.  I had new tie rods ends (all four)
put on when I had it aligned immediately after putting these wheels on.  At
about 12000 miles on the tires, I noticed the wear on the front left as I have
shown above, but the right front looked fine.   I took the car to a different
place and had the alignment re-done.   Now, the other tire has noticeable wear.
MY question is WHY??????    any suggestions.   I do not want to trash the tires
before I really need to.   My driving consisted of bi monthly trips from PA to
KY  on the interstates PLUS a lot of twisty road driving in PA where I live. I
like to drive hard too.  What may be causing the front to wear on the left edge
s while the rears are fine??????????


                                           DAVE
                                            DST1@PSUVM.psu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Clark Kent)
Subject: Turbo-Revving
Keywords: OUCH!!!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:49:51 GMT

The strangest thing happened to me today, while driving my newly-acquired
1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe.  I was accelerating fairly quickly in first
gear(5 speed), when I tried to shift to second, the engine nearly red-lined
(it may have, but I was too startled to look at the tach).  It remained like this, I instinctively turned off the cruise control(but I was only going 30).  
I turned to my last resort, and shut off the ignition.  About 2 seconds later,
I turned on the key, the car ran normally.  Later on tonight, a similar thing
happened, only I was in second accelerating through a parking lot, when the
accelerator pedal stuck to the floor.  Not wanting to exceed 60 in a lot, I 
put in the clutch, and tried to pry the pedal off the floor with my other
foot.  To no avail, I again cut the ignition.  Seconds later, I restarted 
the engine, again to a very high rpm.  I finally rolled to a stop, waited a 
bit, and started up.  Everything seemed fine.  I drove home and parked the
car, where it will stay until I can get it looked at.  

	Have any of you T-Bird owners experienced this?  It scared the p*ss
out of me, especially not knowing its cause.  What are the chances that my
engine/turbo was/were damaged as a result of this sudden overrevving/shutdown?
I bought it less than a month ago, and I've only put 800 miles on it.  Should
I take it to the used car dealer where I purchased it, or have it looked at
by Ford.  My after-market AGC warranty covers the engine/turbo, I guess
that's another option.  If you have any ideas, please post or email me, as I
will not sleep at night until it's solved.  Thanks...

				Adam Edwards
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
(716) 274-3500
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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need feedback on Integra RS, Saturn SL2, Escort LXE/Tracer
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:21:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 10 Apr 92 15:18:31 GMT
bcc: carl


Jim,

>1.  The Integra's obviously the class act.  I've visited the lot but haven't
>had my test drive yet.  From the reviews, I already assume that this is the
>superior car for  my needs.  (Feel free to correct me.)  But will 
>Acura dealers cut a good deal these days?  It lists at about 12.5-13k, stripped 
>(which is how I'd take it) but the dealer cost is about 10.5k.  
>Acura dealers used to demand list price.  Will they deal these days?

Well, you're in California, but I can tell you that Acura dealers
around here are VERY willing to cut deals.  I paid 31k for my Legend
LS, which retailed for 35475 and now retails at 36045 (or something
very close to that).  What you should do is check out the retail price
on the exact car you want, find out the invoice on the exact car that
you want and offer them $500 over invoice which, if they're smart
they'll accept.  Note that Acura as NOT like many of the domestic cars
that have $500 or $1000 per car coming back to the dealers so don't
expect them to go below invoice (like I've heard about some domestic
deals).

We test drove an Integra (but then again we test drove a LOT of cars!)
and it was just too small and sat too low for us.

If payments are a concern for you right now, ask about the lease
programs that Acura has.  The effective interest rate on my Legend is
about 7%, much less than you could get on a car loan AND, if you want,
you can always buy it either after the lease is over or at some point
during the lease (read the letter of the lease carefully to determine
when and how to do this).

The Saturn is a real nice car, but I wouldn't put it in the same class
as the Integra.  It was buzzier and not as quick.  If $$$ is the
bottom line I would not hesistate to recommend the Saturn.

From both personal experience and from what I've heard from people
both in and out of the automotive industry, Ford dealers around here
(Boston area) suck, except for one that is about 30 miles away
(Ipswitch Ford) and I was not willing to drive THAT far to have my
"domestic" car serviced.

-Carl-
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From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:53:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: eff.1992Apr14.145346.18277
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

In article  Adrian T Kerr, kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:

>Perhaps the title is a bit abusive but from the articles I have read
here and 
>elsewhere I have not seen anything to suggest the average American has
an IQ 
>higher than your average chimp!

I must agree with you here.  I don't think stupidity is a purely American
trait, but with Clinton and Bush leading in the polls, it certainly makes
me think twice... Then again, Thatcher and Major were yours, and that
doesn't show much better judgement, IMHO.

> drive at 200mph but it is reasonably safe then why not? A limit of
90mph 
>however would seem a very acceptable limit for modern European cars (
not 
>bloody automobiles as stupid Americans splutter on about ) capable of
cruising 
>at 100mph very safely ( I have personal experience of this since on most 
>journeys on British motorways I travel above 80mph in as much safety as
the 
>other road user's ).

Indeed.  Since I've never been outside the country and have never
experienced foreign driver's education programs firsthand, I can't
objectively compare driver's education programs, but I know this to be
true: Americans, for the most part, are woefully undertrained for
operating an auto.  After all, we consider it our right, not a privilege,
to operate a vehicle.  Silly us.

I personally believe the whole reason inane 55-mph speed limits exist in
this country is because we expect that the average driver is incapable of
driving at faster speeds.  Realistically speaking, we Americans very
rarely obey speed limits- everywhere that I've driven, typical expressway
or freeway traffic clips along at 65-70 mph, regardless of what the
posted limit might be.

>Other articles relating to engine braking and such nonsense are plain 
>ridiculous. If you remove your foot from the accelerator then believe it
or not 
>you will go slower!

Well, whatever.  You don't need to be an auto mechanic to operate a car,
and sometimes groups like this one are good at providing answers to
simple questions.

- Peter
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Subject: Re: photo radar
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:11:03 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <F-UI4SXA8@linac.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:
>>
>> where is photo radar currently being used in the us??
>> and which states/localities has its use been curtailed
>> because of legal challenges ??
>> and are these units normally mounted in stationary vehicles??
>> (i've never encountered one, i think)
>>

In some cities around me, they use a modified version of the photo-radar.
It does not send a ticket (people won't storm city hall!), but it does
post in HUGE digital numbers the speed that you are travelling.
Above the speed is a replica of the speed limit sign for the street.

It does a BETTER job than law enforcement because everyone on the road
sees it and slows down.  Nobody stops and looks to see what kind of car
the person is that is getting the ticket.

(It's environmental, too!  The unit is solar powered!)

David Andersen
UC Irvine


--
David Andersen (Yo! that's an E---not an O!)
From: kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Adrian T Kerr)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Are all Americans Stupid???
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:05:50 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Well where do I start?

Perhaps the title is a bit abusive but from the articles I have read here and elsewhere I have not seen anything to suggest the average American has an IQ higher than your average chimp!
 
Where are the statistics that say 55mph is the safest maximum speed a four wheeled vehicle can travel at? In Britain the maximum allowable speed on motorways is 70mph and this is woefully slow! In Germany there is a recommended speed limit of 80mph but if the conditions permit then it is lawful to travel at any speed your vihicle is capable of. In a recent article in a European motoring magazine a Lambourghini Diamblo was driven legally at 204mph on a German autobhan.To be honest I don't need to be able to

 drive at 200mph but it is reasonably safe then why not? A limit of 90mph however would seem a very acceptable limit for modern European cars ( not bloody automobiles as stupid Americans splutter on about ) capable of cruising at 100mph very safely ( I have personal experience of this since on most journeys on British motorways I travel above 80mph in as much safety as the other road user's ).

Surely my sense of homour has momentarily disappeared but I am sure someone in one of the auto news groups was disscussing how to put her lipstick on whilst riding her motorbike! 

Other articles relating to engine braking and such nonsense are plain ridiculous. If you remove your foot from the accelerator then believe it or not you will go slower!

I would have continued this assualt on you national pride but I have to go for some coffee now.Keep up your good work it gives us a great laugh!    
.
From: wordy@bikelab.Corp.Sun.COM (Steven K. Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Franz oil filters?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:05:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bikelab.corp.sun.com


Hi....
  I just bought a 1989 Ford F-350 dually extended cab pickup with
International 7.3-liter Diesel engine.  This is for heavy-duty,
year-round towing of a Wells Cargo trailer.  It currently has 
44,000 miles on it.
  My question is this:  a friend who is much more diesel-literate
than I has suggested installation of a Franz oil filter, which 
apparently is like a roll of toilet paper attached near the oil
pressure sender.  The claim is that these work so effectively that
you really never have to change oil (just filters).  The Franz
(sorry if wrong spelling) guy says that my 20-quart system will
require two of them, translating into about $320 including installation.
  I don't mind doing this if it is indeed a good investment, but
I have no way of judging this.  I'm looking for comments....
I hit the road in 7 days, full-time, so time is tight.  Thanks!
    Steve Roberts
    Nomadic Research Labs


(email replies preferred unless this is a thread that has not
been hashed out here in the past, and posting would be generally
useful)
From: Mauricio.Pernudi@f2030.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mauricio Pernudi)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info On Geo Prizm Needed 
Date: 06 Apr 92 15:29:01 EST

My mother in law has a Geo Prizm.  I borrowed it to drive to Tulsa.  It 
only took a fourth of a tank of gas, and we were driving 70-80mph. The 
car is only a four-cylinder, but is has power.  She has owned the car 
for two years, and it has been relatively maintenance free.  The car is 
a GM body with a Toyota engine.
 
Mauricio P.
 * Origin: Rogers Public Schools BBS 501-631-3618 HST/9600 (1:391/2030.0)
From: cs163wfe@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (cs163wfe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: What happened to Cizeta Moroder V16T?
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:30:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31372

Hi, have anyone heard about Cizeta V16T lately?  What happened to
that car?  Ever since it was last revealed in 90's(?) Sports car
international, I haven't heard any news about it.  Is it in
production now, or Claudio is still trying to perfect the car ;).

Thanks for any info.  Please reply via email
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: howp@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: How's that new Duster?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:26:00 GMT

     Has anyone heard anything about the new Plymouth Duster?  I saw an
advert for one in R&T, the Apr/92 issue.  It was aqua-green with some
gee-gaw graphics and black spoiler, if I recall.  It was touted in the
ad as the lowest priced V-6 powered new vehicle in the world (!).  It looks
to me to be a gussied up Sundance.  It didn't say what kind of V-6 it had.
I was wondering if it was the 3.0L Mitsu, the 3.3L Chrysler (is this engine
out yet?  I think it is a clean-sheet pushrod design) or if it was the 
3.9L (hacked 318) from the Dakota pickup.

     Gee, for under 10 G's( U.S. of course ) I might even be able to
afford one (soon)!

-Cheers

Peter How, a Graduate Student with too much free time, 
Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies,
University of Saskatchewan, 
Saskatoon, SK
CANADA  S7N 0W0
(306) 966-6452
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Using the horn
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:41:16 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr7.231849.6667@koko.csustan.edu> james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>
>
>   I found another way of getting someones attention is to rev your engine
>out to around 5000 rpm. This works especially well if your driving an old 
>Alfa Romeo or a harley davidson. Never try this with an automatic though.
    It works ESPECIALLY well if you are driving a hog, have a full
    beard, bugs in your teeth, and a large picture of a skull on
    your jacket.
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:27:19 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr9.152911.12379@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:

>well, i'm not familiar with Walt's treasured mopar products, but
                                              ^^^^^ 
ooops, not MoPar -- Cummins, Caterpillar, Detroit-Diesel, Navistar, Mack,
actually...


walt k.

>cheers,
>  richard
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup)
Subject: Re: Sexism in the sale of cars.... A Quick Questionaire...
Organization: Software Tool&Die, (Boston), MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.180216.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> irwin@yertle.Colorado.EDU
(IRWIN JULIE R) says:
>Are women sales people better?

Not the <insert favorite derogatory female remark here> that tried to sell
my girlfriend a '91 but called it a '92. After I checked (check out everything
that a car dealer slime does), and confronted her with the VIN number, she
then tried to tell me that I was looking at the wrong digit. I finally showed
her stickered '92's and '91's and pointed it out, to no avail. We went
to the manager, who confirmed it was the 10'th "digit". This wasn't a simple
case of she didn't know, her demeanor made it clear she was bullshitting us.
I didn't walk out- I had a BlueBook and knew what to ask for- I took
advantage of the enormous credibility gap that had now opened up got us the
car for just over what it was "worth". (We knew we were buying used.)
Now, I hope my g/f can get financing....

I think salescum figure that people will trust a woman, so they run them out
on folks.

(Just for the record, we're Black. It's so very funny to walk into a deal-
ership, esp. if I'm dressed from work (suit, so they think I've got money),
and see the S.M. literally push the token Brother out in our direction.)

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Unix Systems Consultant	kenny@world.std.com
16 Plainfield St. Jamaica Plain, (Boston), MA 02130-3633
Home +1 617 524 5929 	Home Fax +1 617 983 9410
							Lick Bush in '92!
From: charlie@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Charlie Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: photo radar
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:53:42 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

>Well, photo radar is alive and well in Campbell, California.  The unit is
>mounted in the back of a Jeep Cherokee, so they dump it in a different location
>each day.  They're not very hard to see, since it's not very often you see a
>white Jeep with the hatch open sitting on the sidewalk.  But anyhow...
>
>Does anyone know if they takes pictures of the front and rear of your car?  To
>the best of my knowledge, they still only take frontal pictures.  In which case
>the USA1 plate on my car is a lifesaver...   :-)
>

Yup, they get the front and the rear.  Otherwise, they would have taken
a nice picture of my front bumper with no one to send the ticket to since
I have no front plates.  They keep the picture though, as evidence they
claim.  You can go down to the station to see the photo if you'd like.
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: photo radar
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:15:27 GMT
	<1992Apr8.140022.25710@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 14:00:22 GMT
bcc: carl


> I am not 100% sure about this but I believe that if someone is seen
> driving your car past a stop school bus with the arm out (by reading the
> liscence plate), and you claim that it is not you driving that you must
> inform them of who was driving the car.  I don't see why they won't do the
> same thing with photo radar.

Well, let's see, it could be my wife, my son, my daughter, my father,
my mother, my father in law, my mother in law, my friend or his wife
who's staying with us, my dog (oops, not her) (this is a little
ficticous but you get the picture).  If you really don't know who had
the car you can't tell them :^)

If need be, request a jury trial which usually makes it a criminal
offense and then THEY have to prove it was you.

-Carl-
--
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:16:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.144522.18056@eff.org>, peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
|> In article  Adrian T Kerr, kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> >Well where do I start?
|> 
|> Well, Adrian, we Yanks aren't perfect, but at least we drive on the
|> correct side of the road and put the steering column where God intended
|> it to go!   >:-)

Or arogant enough to actually beleive that :)

Don
BNR has better things to do then tell me what to say on Internet,
  so I hardly think these are their views.
"Pick up the receiver, I'll make you a believer." - Depeche Mode
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: rust proofing
Organization: GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:21:09 GMT

Which is the best rust proofing to get?  Good question 8-).

I was thinking of getting Rust Check.  They charge about $100.00 per year
and offer a lifetime warr.  The only problem I have with this is that they
drill holes in the car to get behind the pillers(makes sense I guess).

What experience have you folks had with rust proofing?

later
Barry