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From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Hearing dragons
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:41:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


 Yeah, Annes rampant feminism bugs me too.

 @set me=flame_proof.....

 I get tired of all the B*llsh*t about women being more empathic, dealing
 better with people etc. Frankly its a fallacy, they have a predisposition
 but that comes from how they were raised, not from their sex.

 If you dont believe me, I have some 'tomboys' to introduce you to.

 Anyway, if women want to claim the 'ggod' things as related to sex, they better
 damn well accept all the bad things. I will not tolerate hypocracy in any form.

 Just my bit to get flamed for awhile. =) I miss it.

 Th'ron.
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From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: wher
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:43:31 GMT

venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo) writes:
> Well Dorianna, not a flame, just a clarification...
> 
> Whers are the same thing as watchwhers, ones domesticated the other is not.
> Much like Canis Lupus and Canis Canum (I hope I got that right).

Ick. So what you people are telling me is that when someone is wearing
'wherhide' they're wearing the indigenous Pernese equivalent of dog skin.
Sheesh, I hope that's not right. I prefer my bloated rhino theory.

Ellen -- Kiandra, rider of Brown Arcoth@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu

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From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: Questions of Internal Consistency
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:26:04 GMT


maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre' Maillet) writes:

> 	It seems to me that we are ignoring a major form of natural selection.
> It is stated that without near constant oiling of the hide of draconic 
> beings (FL, dragons, etc.), the hide will flake and can crack *between*. 
> Apparently, this is almost always fatal to the victim. Dragons are 
> incapable of oiling themselves without human help. I would assume that 
> FL wouldn't be able to oil themselves more than partially, certainly not 
> thoroughly. Therefore, we have natural selection. With human intervention 
> (thorough oiling), the FL wouldn't have this problem and would live as 
> long as the human would.
> 
> Andre'
Another potential cause of FL deaths:
Oh. Spoiler. Whee. Right.


ZAIR (not Berd) went between when Robinton died, perhaps out of love
and loss.  In the DLG, it compares fl hatchlings to ducklings,
Impressing on the first being that feeds them, which is usually another
fl in the wild. If two (or more) fl's spend years and years together, and
one of them dies, it could conceivably set off a whole spate of fl
deaths of heartbreak.
Pure speculation.

Ellen -- Kiandra, rider of Brown Arcoth@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu
From: support@fy.chalmers.se (Merriwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: HELP! Trying to find new PernMUSH!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:04:52 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden



       I got access to the old PernMUSH, freya.arc.nasa.gov 4201,

       but I can't get access to the new one.

       I've been told the telnet code is:

       pern.ps.cs.cmu.edu 4201 or 128.2.250.30 4201.

       Is the code right? Does anybody here know what I did wrong?

       Please help me.

                                   MERRIWYN
From: khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith Hearn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re:Hearing dragons
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:30:15 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View
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shagstr@eis.calstate.edu (Shirley Hagstrom) <Jazmyn> writes:
>    Odd..I've been on PernMush for over a year and a half..t(..
>
>
> I am curious if I would be 'breaking the unwriten rules' by hearing the
>few dragons that have said << Thank you >> after healing them or their
>rider or their rider's firelizard's injuries as a DragonHealer??


No Jazmyn, there's a big difference between hearing a dragon that is
  talking specificly to *you*, and hearing all dragons. See the
  discussion on Robinton the the related thread on this subject.

  A'lon
  Bronze Zienth's rider
  High Reaches Weyrleader
  PernMUSH


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From: ktoast@stein.u.washington.edu (Karen Jost)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Rider Distribution
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:48:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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>*  Crafters Craft.  That's pretty easy.

*puzzled frown*  I'm not sure exactly what that is supposed to mean.  *shrug*
Some crafters have absolutely NO ambition to be dragonriders, though.  Every
time I've said that IC everyone has looked at me in astonishment... as if it
were complete heresy.  Masterharper Robiton and Menolly are not the only
crafter characters in the books who had 'callings' elsewhere.  Characters such
as Wansor and Benelek, Jancis and Hamian, make you realize that Pern has a very
rich craftlife.  Dragons are nice :) and all but some people really don't want
one, thank you very much.

Felyn Bargold
completely unrepentent Journeyman Beastcrafter, SouCon
From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Zair, not Berd..
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:37:55 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu

In article <C1I6x6.Lq7@unix.amherst.edu> kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren) writes:
>Chris Croughton (chris@keris.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: 
>: I'm not disputing that spoilers are needed for some people who haven't
>: had the chance to read the book yet.  My only query is *how long* should
>: they be required?  Until the book has been out in softcover for a
>: year in every country?  For instance, have places like China and Russia
>: actually had any of the books?
>
>why don't we just agree to be polite?  what i mean is that if i were talking
>about pern to somebody i knew hadn't read atwop, i wouldn't mention what
>happens there.  we know there are several regular readers who haven't yet
>read the stuff, because it is not yet available.  so once they've said that
>it's out there, that it's been read, we can talk about it without spoilers.
>it's not like it's an unknown thing - the people for whom we are writing the
>"spoiler" messages can *tell* us when they're no longer needed.  we don't need
>to worry about people who don't read this newsgroup regularly, as far as i 
>can see.

By that reasoning, we shouldn't say anything about the oldtimers,
since that's the key to _Dragonflight_.  After all, not everybody's
read it.

As Chris has been asking, where should the line be drawn?

Keep spoilers on the 'most recently released' book?  Then what do we
do if McCaffrey never writes another Pern novel?

Here's the deal.  If anybody can propose a spoiler warning policy that
most can agree on, I'll put it in the FAQ.  However, I don't think
such an animal exists.  (But please try.  I'd like to be proven wrong
on this.)

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  kogoma@triton.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Hearing dragons
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:47:55 GMT

In article <Jan22.034117.33020@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo) writes:
> Yeah, Annes rampant feminism bugs me too.

Anne's rampant feminism? Are you reading the same novels I am?

> I get tired of all the B*llsh*t about women being more empathic, dealing
> better with people etc. Frankly its a fallacy, they have a predisposition
> but that comes from how they were raised, not from their sex.

This bullshit is *not* modern feminism. It's the tripe that was trotted out at 
the beginning of this century to keep women in their place, in the home,
raising children.

As far as I can tell, Anne's 'feminism' consists of having female leads. 
Never mind that, unless they're nasty and manipulative, they all swoon over 
some man and give up whatever they had that resembled independence. Feminism
moved away from demanding the right to have a life before swooning over a guy
a long time ago.

-Doriana, likewise flamebait

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Keywords: Pern
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:41:57 GMT

[lots of stuff not included :) ]

	I would put the Pern books  into s/f if only b/c they seem
to have some join with some other books than Anne has written.....
the acronym FSP appears all time..... ?

Eccles
From: bwalker@smoke.marlboro.vt.us (Brad Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Survey
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:54:45 GMT
Organization: The Banana, a BBS in Marlboro, VT (US)


	Just finished "All the Weyrs of Pern". Though it was a
great book. I haven't recently looked, but does anybody think
there will be another one? I though she kind of ended things
pretty much with this book.
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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: Zair, not Berd.. 
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:15:06 GMT

Chris Croughton (chris@keris.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: 
: I'm not disputing that spoilers are needed for some people who haven't
: had the chance to read the book yet.  My only query is *how long* should
: they be required?  Until the book has been out in softcover for a
: year in every country?  For instance, have places like China and Russia
: actually had any of the books?

why don't we just agree to be polite?  what i mean is that if i were talking
about pern to somebody i knew hadn't read atwop, i wouldn't mention what
happens there.  we know there are several regular readers who haven't yet
read the stuff, because it is not yet available.  so once they've said that
it's out there, that it's been read, we can talk about it without spoilers.
it's not like it's an unknown thing - the people for whom we are writing the
"spoiler" messages can *tell* us when they're no longer needed.  we don't need
to worry about people who don't read this newsgroup regularly, as far as i 
can see.

(: karen
--
           karen wasielewski      "a chinese philosopher once had a dream that 
     kewasiel@cs.amherst.edu  _|_  he was a butterfly.  from that day on, he 
   kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu   |   was never quite certain that he was not a
kewasielewsk@amh.amherst.edu   |   butterfly, dreaming that he was a man.
From: kruegek@stein.u.washington.edu (Kirby Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: HELP! Trying to find new PernMUSH!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:54:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

PernMUSH now resides on pern.pc.cs.cmu.edu 4201, not pern.ps.


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From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: DragonsFire Down
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:29:05 GMT



I have recieved word that Dragonsfire MUSE has unexpectedly lost its site.
If you know of a possible site, please send Email to wizards@cyber.widener.edu
or to me jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, and I will pass it on.

Until a new site is found, I would like to extend my hospitality as a wizard of
IronMush to set up a refugee area on IronMush csulx.weber.edu 6250.

Although we can not or should not rebuild Dragonsfire on IronMush (inside joke,
don't panic Celeste), I will be able to offer a bit more then a talk room.
Maybe five or six rooms so that we can do some limited roleplaying.

A separate Pern is under construction on IronMush. IronMush will not be
offically open until Feb 8, so characters have to be created by the wizards.

You can email me your character name and a password, and I will create it, or
you can sign on as guest with password guest and either page me (Xavier) or
send me +mail.

I will post the internet number to Iron later so those without name
servers can reach it.

Later all

*hugs*

Xavier
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From: bob@eagle.inmos.co.uk (Bob Green)
Subject: Re: MU* keeness
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:49:30 GMT

In article <1jl3ugINNhja@gossip.pyramid.com>, khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith Hearn) writes:
|> 
|> alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:
|> >I have to agree with A'lon on this matter.  What rankles me (who plays a
|> >non-rider on PernMUSH) is how did ONE character get chosen for this? And
|> >since she's established (I'm presuming), how did her `keeness' not appear
|> >before now?
|> >
|> >Tariana
|> >Headwoman
|> >Fort Weyr
|> >PernMUSH
|> 
|> To the best of my knowledge, the person chose herself, w/o wiz or Weyr
|>   permission. There are currently no persons on PernMUSH who can hear 
|>   all dragons, largely for this reason. How would the wiz/weyr councils 
|>   decide on who would be allowed to do it? It'd create a bigger uproar 
|>   that picking a new wizard. Everyone would be screaming 'Why that
|>   person and not *me*?!?!'.
|> 
|> I doubt there will be a person on PernMUSH who will be allowed to hear
|>   dragons for quite some time. I don't object to there being someone,
|>   but I do object to just letting anyone who wants to do so, declaring
|>   that they can hear dragons, and I don't *even* want to think about
|>   trying to pick a person to run such a character. I don't want to
|>   deal with the backlash such a decision would create.
|> 
|> The only way I can see a person being allowed to do it, is if they are
|>   a good roleplayer who has proven their ability for a while, and if
|>   they started up a new character to do it, since, as Tariana points
|>   out, 'keenness' isn't likely to just pop up. This still leaves the
|>   issue of picking the player to do it, w/o upsetting the rest of the
|>   players.

Could the server do it ? Every time a new player is created, give them a 1 in
10 million chance (or thereabouts) of being able to hear all dragons ? I suppose
it should oly do this for people registering themselves as female, since earlier
threads decided that it was sex-linked (I think). It'd also have the side effect
(maybe) of altering the male/female ratio of players in a way I'd approve of ;-)

|> 
|>   A'lon
|>   Bronze Zienth's rider
|>   High Reaches Weyrleader
|>   PernMUSH
|> 
|> -- 

Anjilon
Craftless ;-(
PernMUSH

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| Bob Green          Inmos Ltd, Bristol       bob@inmos.co.uk
|                                         or  bob@inmos.com        
|The opinions above are the rantings of a madman and therefore could
|not possibly reflect Inmos policy.
From: ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Catarina Ang)
Subject: Re: Felines
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:24:02 GMT

In <1jietfINNrvs@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu> writes:

>In article <1993Jan18.015613.13215@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Catarina Ang,
>ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>	That's from 'People of Pern'. I forget the publisher name. But I
>>can dredge it up if someone wants it.

>PLEASE DO!!!  I havent heard of 'People of Pern' before -- mind if i ask
>when/where it came out?

	Gleep! Oops, wrong newsgroup.  Um, well, I don't have it here
right now. Wait til Monday.... It's a big, fairly skinny hardback, with
a cover that doesn't look American, pictures by Robin Wood, who has
apparently drawn them for conventions before. It didn't come outin
Australia very long ago I should think.

-----
	Lady K
 A ripple of laughter drifts to your ears ... and is cut off abruptly as
the door to the Ivory Tower slams shut.
  ladyk@yoyo.cc.monash.au.edu
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: New? Pern book 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:47:54 +0000

In article <1jkuncINN566@lynx.unm.edu> kogoma@triton.unm.edu writes:

>Methinks you're confusing "Rescue Run" with "The Girl Who Heard
>Dragons".  (The former was published in the August '91 _Analog_.  The
>latter was released as a 100 signed copy limited release.)  As has
>been discussed quite recently, "Rescue Run" was recently a Alternate
>Selection from the SF Book Club...hardly "limited" at all. ;-)

RR was definitely published in a limited edition, published by Wildside
(a friend, Weyrwoman Merelan of Ista-9, has a copy).  Sometime around
the middle of last year there was talk on CompuServe of another limited
run - some people had copies.  Then just recently the SFBC version came
out (at $6.98) - that one is *not* limited.

GWHD was also a limited edition.  Incidentally, that is also the title
story of a forthcoming collection (which will include several non-Pern
stories).  I believe that it should be some time this year (so said Anne
last year).

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: SF or Fantasy?
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:37:47 GMT

both. its sci fi caause of there origin and fantasy we are speaking bout dragons.
cause if you look at the books as a series. it starts out fantasy but then we find 
out its a future civilization. 

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.edu (Edward L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.announce
Subject: DragonsFire MUSE : DOWN
Followup-To: poster
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:46:47 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu
Originator: scott@glia

DragonsFire MUSE's process was 'killed' earlier today by the new
administrator of its host.  The Directorate has been officially
notified that a MUSE (or MUD in general) is inappropriate for that
machine, and can no longer run there.

As an ex-Director of the MUSE (and the person who handled the talks
regarding the shutdown) you should all consider DragonsFire MUSE down
until further notice.  The directory and db has been archived and is
stored at a safe location.


F'lyr, rider of bronze Neloranth - Weyrleader of Fort Weyr
Founding Member/Ex-Director - DragonsFire MUSE


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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: New McCaffrey: "Damia's Children": Spoilers
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:19:55 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

The next book in the "Rowan" Series is out.

It is called "Damia's Children"

(Non-spoilers until I get enough lines...)

On one of the inside cover pages is a complete list of all books
that Anne has authored. There were even a couple of non-fiction books that
I didn't recognize. Dragonflight(?) (1st in dragon riders series)
was one of here first 3 or 4 books. Unfortunately it does not
include the years of publication. However the co-authors for the books
which she has co-authored are in there.





(more blank space)






Spoilers.....

As advertised this book deals with Damia's children (actually the oldest 3 of
her brood of 8) At the beginning of the story we are set approximately
15 years after the end of Dami and the entire family lives on
Iota Augrae(sp?). The Mrdini have become strong allies and the alliance
are trying to track down Hive ships and kill them.

It primarily deals with how the oldest three each contribute to tracking down
destroying and capturing Hive ships. All members of Damia's family
have a pair of Mrdini who travel around with them.

Comments: The Mrdini are interesting aliens, still vaguely humanoid
and not perfect any more than humans are.

As for the book itself, it is definitely NOT the end of the series.
The last book that saw that was this obviously not the end of a
series was Book 2 of the Lord of the Rings trilogy :-)


Just thought that people would be interested,

Randy Finder


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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Zair, not Berd..
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:38:55 GMT
Organization: Keristor Systems
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)

In article <C1Ew7B.B83@newcastle.ac.uk> Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

>Please note, not all countries receive publications at the same time. I think
>Australia for instance is generally over a year behind the uk. I think spoilers
>should be included as a matter of course on ATWoP for some time to come.

I'm not disputing that spoilers are needed for some people who haven't
had the chance to read the book yet.  My only query is *how long* should
they be required?  Until the book has been out in softcover for a
year in every country?  For instance, have places like China and Russia
actually had any of the books?

This is not a flame, it's a real point.  As I said in another article,
if you look in the Star Trek groups they're posting without spoilers on
season 6, when we've only had three and Australia (I believe) is only
just starting 3.  OK, so they don't care about the rest of the world,
and on a.f.p we care more.  But where should be the limit?

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