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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ST
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>        Now, I'm not interested in speculation about why Trek hasn't addressed
>the issue of homosexuality more directly than they have.  I would like to hear
>opinions on how and to what extent they should deal with it.  Should Starfleet
>be shown to have homosexuals in it?  Should this be shown as unnatural?  I
>invite your comments.

>Christopher Jones

     Comments.  Okay.  The "Blood and Fire" episode in question [by
     David Gerrold slated for first season before his and Dorothy
     Fontana's fallout with Roddenberry; the episode reputed to 
     show homosexuality aboard the Enterprise as well as an "Argelian
     slime devil" or somesuch monster mentioned in "Trouble with 
     Tribbles"].   Roddenberry's lawyer held that the episode dealt
     with homosexuality in contemporary terms, with people giving
     the gay couple in question strange looks, etc.  I understand
     that this is NOT the case at all, but nevertheless, it gave rise
     to the TNG office mantra, "we want stories about characters, and
     if they are gay, that's okay, but homosexuality is accepted and
     unremarkable in the 24th century so contemporary issues dramas
     about gays will not work.  We are not interested in stories about
     gays.  We are interested in stories about people who happen to
     be gay."

     Now, while I agree with that wholeheartedly, it's not altogether
     so.  The simple fact is - that's thorny.  I think they WANT to
     have a continuing gay character -- but I think they want to know
     they're going to do it right and go all the way with it...  and
     many, many people just aren't ready for that.  That gay character
     on MELROSE PLACE, for example, is all stereotype.  ROSEANNE, I 
     think, dealt with Martin Mull's character being gay expertly
     and hilariously.  It treated homosexuality as it IS, not as how
     it is REPORTED.  Ya know?  [For a while, while David Kelley was
     still in charge, LA Law handled it brilliantly in a continuing
     character(s).]

     Scott Gorcey
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: tcollicutt@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Sarek's Wives
Reply-To: tcollicutt@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:23:13 GMT

In article <C1C7A6.349@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.093707.27975@Virginia.EDU>
>qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>> 	Along these lines, do we KNOW whether it was Spock's
>> wedding that Picard attended?  If so, it seems pretty certain
>> that she's dead by now, because Spock would be pretty heartless
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> to leave her to go live on Romulus.
>
>Ah, but you're forgetting that Spock, as a Vulcan, has no emotions! 
>(OK, I know he's half human, but he always tries to repress that part
>of himself.)
>
   No emotions for Vulcans???  There was a Vulcan-Romulan split. Romulans
were, and are very emotional, people.  Emotion is not something that goes
away just because the new society based on the teaching of Surak said that
they can cause problems.
   Vulcans only surpress their emotions with logic and mental disciplines.
If you remember the Kohlinar scene from TMP you will remember that it showed
that on the the sands of Gol, the Vulcan versions of tibetan monks cast out
that last remnant of emotion.  Unless they set the whole thing up just for
Spock, it would suggest that the statement that vulcan's have no emotions
is just a 27 year old myth.


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Subject: Book Update
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:40:48 GMT


Does anyone have an updated list of upcoming ST novels????

If so, please email me with it.

Thanx...
Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Gates *IS* in Hunt For Red October!
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:52:06 EST

  -=> Psst...  Look what Vicki Holzhauer said to All!  Oh my god!!! <=-

 VH> WRONG.  She is in it, very briefly, in the opening scene.  Very much
 VH> in the background, has one line and leaves.  You'd miss her easily if
 VH> you weren't looking for her, but SHE IS THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're only half right, Vicki.  She appears again in the car (passanger 
seat) and I believe she kisses Jack Ryan goodbye, but you don't really 
see her because it's raining at night and all.


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:TNG Air Schedule - as of 1/12/93
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:10:24 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


[Yes, both parts of "Chain of Command" are missing from the repeat schedule,
and no I don't know why :-]

127   9/19/92  227  46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
128   9/26/92  228  46041.1	Realm of Fear
129  10/03/92  229  46071.6	Man of the People
130  10/10/92  230  46125.3	Relics
131  10/17/92  231  46154.2	Schisms
132  10/24/92  232  46192.3	True Q
133  10/31/92  233  46235.7	Rascals
134  11/07/92  234  46271.5	A Fistful of Datas
135  11/14/92  235  46307.2	The Quality of Life
     11/21/92  227R 46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
     11/28/92  228R 46041.1	Realm of Fear
     12/05/92  229R 46071.6	Man of the People
136  12/12/92  236  46357.4	Chain of Command, Part I
137  12/19/92  237  46360.8	Chain of Command, Part II
     12/26/92  230R 46125.3	Relics
      1/02/93  231R 46154.2	Schisms
      1/09/93  232R 46192.3	True Q
      1/16/93  233R 46235.7	Rascals
138   1/23/93  238		Ship In A Bottle
139   1/30/93  239		Aquiel
140   2/06/93  240		Face Of The Enemy
141   2/13/93  241		Tapestry
142   2/20/93  242		The Birthright, Part I
143   2/27/93  243		The Birthright, Part II
      3/06/93  234R 46271.5	A Fistful of Datas
      3/13/93  235R 46307.2	The Quality of Life
      3/20/93  238R		Ship In A Bottle
144   3/27/93  244		Starship Mine

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
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From: cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG and G.O.D.
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:16:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

Look at this question in terms of internal and external constraints.  

Internal:  prime directive indicating tolerance, character mentioning
           belief, etc.

External:  "Well, people, we got to write a show that will appeal to
            (insert market definition here)."

I think questions of this sort should not only look at canon vs. non-
canon, but also take into account we're looking at this world through
a filter.  I don't go about telling my co-workers about my deep
personal beliefs if they don't ask.  So unless we get a letter drive
going, I think long discussions on the future state of metaphysics
will remain low on the producers' list of plot options.

Cheryl Walker  cw@stein.u.washington.edu  semper ubi sub ubi
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: The planar universe
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:35:55 GMT

In article <1jpfk8INNob5@shelley.u.washington.edu> labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Lab Master) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.004425.27307@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mdvs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Davis) writes:
>>
>>	Why is it that whenever two ships meet in space, they both have the 
>>same orientation--in other words, both ships share the same direction "up"?
>>	These ships launched from planets/bases that could not possibly all be
>>oriented the same way.  Why bother?????
>>
>Here's my two bits... The galaxy is more or less in one plane.  When it
>formed, perhaps (pure speculation) most star systems were formed in the
>same plane (I know, our Pluto orbits "above" and "below" the plane of the
>eccliptic), so when travelling from system to system, maybe up is in
>reference to the galaxy... of course, within each star system, who's to
>say what's up?  Galactic "North" to us may be Galactic "South" to someone
>else... Oh, well, it was just a thought.

Here's my $.02... Yes, it is true that the Galaxy was all formed in basically
one plane. However, our solar system's plane is not the same as the galaxy's
plane; instead it's tilted about 60 degrees or so. My theory is that,
offscreen, where we don't see, they set up the ships to be roughly parallel,
so as not to get the crews upset. It might be a little unnerving to see the
other ship hanging out the window at a 42 degree angle to yours, eh? So they
make them parallel, to limit the confusion. Any other theories?
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From: zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TNG and G.O.D.
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:28:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.214900.22027@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:



>>     i wish I could remember exactly what he said, but memory fails;
>>it's been way too long since I saw that one.  Anyway, the point is
>>this:  the proto-vulcans had progressed beyond the need for a
>>supernatural being to ascribe phenomena to.  And, religious beliefs,
>>while they may have their advantages, also come with holy wars (check
>>out the middle east),

>Indeed.  Check out the *crusades* (Christian vs. Muslim).  Check out
>*Northern Ireland*.  Check out *India*.

Check out how many religious wars Bhuddists have been involved in?

Religion does not have to mean monotheism.  It does not have to mean a
semitic religion (ie Islam and Christianity).

However, both those religions have very valid points in them, designed
to make living and dying more meaningful to many people.  That they have
been perverted is more a comment on human nature than on the validity of
religion.  

Love thy neighbour as thyself.  Even as ye do unto the least of My
children, ye do unto Me.

(Sorry, no Quoran quotes - I haven't studied it properly).
  
To rail against "religion" when what you are objecting to is the
political machinations of an established church is sloppy thinking.

For some people, their religion enables them to rise up and triumph
against oppression, to give of themselves to their fellows, and to bring
light and beauty into the world.  (Ghandi, Mother Teresa, innumerable
priests and nuns in war zones etc).

Remember that the religion which gave us the Inquisition also gave us
the Salvation Army.
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From: Bill.Jacobson@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:00:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993

In a message dated 01-26-93 20:04 Michael D. Maxfield wrote to  All:
 MM> Hey, anyone know when Pluto becomes #7 and Uranus becomes #8?  From 
 MM> looking
 MM> at this chart (unfortunately it's in a geography book) it looks like 
 MM> the 
 MM> duration between Neptune's and Uranus' orbit is only about 20 degrees 
 MM> of 
 MM> Plutos orbit so with a oribital revolution of 248 years, it seems 
 MM> like it 
 MM> should be very soon.

According to what I was taught in science (Astronomy to be more exact)
Neptune's is the only orbit that Pluto crosses.
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Never trust the ale of a god-fearing people or StarFleet 
Commanders who have your family members in prison.

 -> Alice4Mac Eval:29Jan93 

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Old ships in TNG and the Constitution class
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:53:20 GMT

susher@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>This has been puzzling me for a while now..

>In ST:TNG most of the star ships in general use are very similar to those in
>the ST films.. ie by that time at least 70 to 80 years old. Why is it then that
>the Constitution class ships after having effectively a complete rebuild only
>ten years before the new ships were built, incorporating all the latest
>equipment of the time, have been phased out by TNG?

If I'm not mistaken, the "newest" ships we've seen in the movies to date are
the Exellcor (I know it's spelled wrong). That was the ship that Sulu was the
Capt'n of. Now, in TNG, I think we've pretty much only seen Galaxy and 
Ambasador class ships with maybe a few others. But not the same ship classes as
in the movies.

	CtB
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From: zahler@phakt.usc.edu (John Zahler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek episode
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:57:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Keywords: star trek "for I have touched the sky"
ODSummary: need some help

Need help on finding the actual title of this episode.  It involves a sub-
terranean world where an old guy realizes that it's just a cavern and goes
nutzoid.  We think the title is something like "For I have touched the sky," but we're not sure.  Any ideas?
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Hormones
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:26:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan22.172527.11252@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>	Until rec.arts.startrek.sex is created, I'll post
>whatever I please, thank you very much.  You have no right to
>tell us that we can't comment on the aesthetics of Kira and Dax
>anymore than I have the right to tell you not to comment on
>O'Brien's rank, Worf's spine, Odo's nose, or the design of
>Nebula class starships.

	Sure, I do.  And what >I< am saying is that NONE of these topics
belong on rec.arts.startrek.current.

	Note followups. And read the furshinlugger charter!


-- 
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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: David.Berriman@anu.edu.au (Cyalodin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST VI - Question?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:34:51 GMT
Organization: The Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.56.5.37

In article <1jon37INNegl@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo) writes:
>	according to the novelisation. The computer memory had been wiped
>of all knowledge of the klingon dialect by the conspirators onboard
>the ship. it wasn't that the klingons would detect the use of the translator,
>but that the translator had no info!

Still how long would it take to have the Excelsor transmit a new copy
of the Klingon language data bank.  Even if Enterprise was a bit 
'rogue' at the time, I'm sure Sulu would have done it.

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From: rick@daffodil.tymnet.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Most Overrated Episode
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:54:07 GMT
Organization: BT North America, San Jose, CA

The worst TNG episode for me was (I don't know the title) the one where 
Riker is attacked by a plant and the ensuing virus heads for his brain.
The rest of the show is Troy weeping and Riker scenes from old
episodes.  This episode had me flipping back and forth to "Blossom".




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From: GEN2006@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (JEAN-LOUIS GAULT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: tridimensional chess
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:56:07 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13.SMU


	This is my first time posting a letter on this system, so if I
screw up or am placing it in the wrong group, please don't torch me.

	I am searching for some info on tridimensional chess. I
would like to know where i could get or find a book on the rules.

	If anyone could e-mail me the info i am looking for, I
would be really, really grateful. I mean, a lot.

	My e-mail address is: 
		gen2006@husky1.stmarys.ca

	Thanks a lot, folks,
		Jean-Louis
		Halifax, Canada
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: AFTER FINALLY SEEING
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:56:13 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Michael Olin (molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu) wrote:

> Then where did 'major' come from?  Only thing I can figure is that Sisko
> came from a Marine military background, a branch of the Navy?  It would
> make sense, if this is true, since he was on a warship that battled the
> Borg...

Huh?

Sisko is a Commander, same rank as Riker.  The 'Major' is the Bajoran
exec, who is probably commissioned in the Bajor planetary militia of the
Provisional government.

CJW

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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Hormones
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:22:12 GMT
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Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu

In article <1jphorINNrcp@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.172527.11252@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>>	Until rec.arts.startrek.sex is created, I'll post
>>whatever I please, thank you very much.  You have no right to
>>tell us that we can't comment on the aesthetics of Kira and Dax
>>anymore than I have the right to tell you not to comment on
>>O'Brien's rank, Worf's spine, Odo's nose, or the design of
>>Nebula class starships.
>
>	Sure, I do.  And what >I< am saying is that NONE of these topics
>belong on rec.arts.startrek.current.
>
>	Note followups. And read the furshinlugger charter!
>
>Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu

Thank you Roger.  I couldn't have said it better myself.  I was reading
through all this *stuff* and trying to make up my mind whether or not
to say anything.  After all, *some* of these posters are new and not
aware of the appropriate newsgroup for these discussions.  Eventually
the newbies figure it out and things run smoothly for a while, until
there is an influx of new people.  However, this time it is beginning
to look like no one is paying attention to *anything*.  

I am frankly getting *very* tired of most of these inane threads.
Most of them don't even have anyone answering them as I have noted
when I *junk* them to cut down on the vast numbers of articles I
have to wade through.  I've only been reading these newsgroups for
a year but it seems to me that things have been *much* better.  

Much as I enjoy reading about and discussing TNG and DS9 episodes I'm
afraid that I am about to give up and go over to rec.arts.books for
awhile.  Maybe things will get better after a time.  I sincerely 
hope so.

Marg


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