From: schaf@socrates.ucsf.edu (Chris Schafmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Past Civilizations
Keywords: Spinning, Marcab, space opera
Date: 9 Jan 93 07:52:32 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

wakeman@crchh7ce.BNR.CA (John Wakeman) writes:

>In article <C0IAJD.65o@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>>Yes. Exactly. How *would* an individual determine if something like that were
>>or were not true? How would one investigate such a claim? How would you
>>demonstrate it to others?

>Well, LRH claims to have done just this in his book  "Mission Into Time" ( I
>think that's the title.)   It is a book where he details how he discovered some
>stuff from ancient Greeece or before based on his own past life recall.  It has
>been about 11 years since I read it, so I can't recall much of the
>details, that
>damn reactive mind keeps creeping in and snuffing out my ability to recall past
>details.   Anyway, it doesn't deal with any off planet stuff.  I just throw it
>out there if you want to read anything which portends to provide some
>verification
>of recovering data from past lives.   If my title is not correct, I will
>correct
>it soon, or anyone else feel free.

>>Or, on the flip side, what would be the point of seeing which people in the
>>world would believe such unbleievable things? What would be the point of doing
>>that? What would be achieved if you started having people believe things that
>>can't be proven?

>Well, I see no point in seeing which people will or will not buy this. 
>Which is
>why I said in my previous post this is up to any individuals to believe or not 
>believe for themselves.   I would think that such things could be proven
>to some
>degree when they weree limited to the past on this planet.   If someone
>has past
>life data which covers some data or place which has never been discussed or
>presented before and then follow up poroves that such events did occur
>or lost items
>could be found.   For example, if I knew I were a pirate 1000 years ago
>and that I
>had stashed a treasure in an obscure cove on the northern coast of
>Scandanavia, then
>someone followed the directions I provide and sure enough there was a
>treasure there.
>Or something along these lines.

I'm going to assume that you believe in past-lives, I have
a few questions that are open to anyone.

Why do you believe in reincarnation and past-lives?
What kind of machinery could possibly exist in the universe 
to constantly cycle thetans from one body to the next?
Where did the thetans come from?
How can they interact with our physical bodies to
control our muscles?
What is the structure of a soul that it is able to store
memories between bodies?
What is the function of our complex brains if our thetans
can do all of our remembering and thinking?
Why has the universe been constructed as a play-ground for thetans?
Who constructed this whole thing?
If it is our own 'thetans' that run this whole show then
why do we cripple ourselves by wiping out all of our past
lives whenever we step into a new body?
If our thetans consciously decide to forget everything
and assume new bodies then why should people
remember 'past-lives'.
What is the situation with mentally-handicapped people?
Are they handicapped thetans?  Or have they crippled themselves
by entering crippled bodies?
What happens to thetans in bodies that undergo brain damage?
It goes on and on...

Why do you believe that in a physical universe that isn't supposed
to be real at all, but a fantasy constructed by the collective
aggreement of many thetans that there should be any objective
evidence for past-lives?


>For me there is an interest in what exist beyond life.   And, I would
>guess any who
>pursues any religious insight has this curiosity or need of reassurance.
>What 
>happens when I die?   Is life finite?   So, for this reason, I would say
>that this
>is the point in determinig whether or not such things might be true.   I
>agree with
>you that proving it is another matter altogether.  
> 
>>--phil

>john

Why do you believe that you can find any hint of a spiritual reality
within our physical universe?
Why do you give money to listen to people who probably
don't know the answers to your questions anyway?

Why don't you just be patient, live life as best you can, 
and see what happens when you die?

.Chris.

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