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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Amb. Solomon Says US Wants Access to Bases
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:36:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- U.S. Ambassador Richard Solomon indicated
 Thursday Washington was interested in retaining military access to the
Philippines after the last U.S. base here closes next month but ruled
out a permanent American force in the country.
	In a speech to community leaders, Solomon said the United States
would increasingly rely on military cooperation with several Southeast
Asian countries once the last U.S. personnel leave Subic Bay Naval Base
Nov. 24.
	Solomon said other Asian nations were ``developing new arrangements
for defense cooperation with the U.S.'' He asked, ``What role does the
Philippines see itself playing in the emerging regional security
picture?''
	President Fidel Ramos has said he favors extending some form of
continued military access to the United States after the Subic pullout.
Opposition lawmakers said they would attempt to block such an agreement.
	Defense officials from both nations are scheduled to meet Nov. 5 in
Manila to review a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty, which provides that the
two come to each other's aid if attacked.
	Officials from both countries said they hoped to set the terms of
future military cooperation, including a possible access agreement,
during the talks.
	``Just what form such cooperation might take remains to be seen,''
Solomon said Thursday. ``But I can tell you that it does not require a
permanent U.S. military presence on Philippine soil.
	``We are not pressing for new agreements. But we are prepared to move
ahead with you and our other (Southeast Asian) friends to meet our
mutual security needs.''
	Washington turned over most of the sprawling Subic facility, once the
largest U.S. overseas military base, to the Philippines late last month.
	The 1,400 remaining troops pulled back into Cubi Point, an air
station within the Subic compound, where they will stay until Nov. 24.
	The Philippines hopes to transform the former repair and logistics
center for the Seventh Fleet into a commercial port.
	The Philippine Senate in September 1991 rejected a treaty that would
have extended U.S. use of the base for another 10 years.
	Communist guerrillas have said any military access agreement with the
United States could jeopardize proposed peace talks to end their 23-
year-old Marxist rebellion.
From: bstarr@clyde.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr)
Subject: Re: Try Puerto Gallera
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:19:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

Puerto Gallera-a museum, a cultural show?  Are we thinking about the
same place here?  Do you mean Puerto Gallera in Mindoro?

Yah, sure, the place I'm thinking about is a great place and all that,
but...

To get there, you take a bus out of Pasay.  I think the name of the bus
company is BLDT, and the station is on EDSA just before the LRT.  You
take the bus to Bantangas City, Batangas and get off at the Pier.  Costs
about 40 Pesos by now what with inflation.  Oh, and make sure you take
an EARLY bus, because you will need to catch the Ferry, which leaves at
noon-if you miss the ferry, you're stuck, and you'll have to pay one of
the darn Bangka (boat) operators about 10 times the normal 50 pesos
cost.  These prices are approximate, of course.  If you're not used to
the local food, eating at the Cafeteria there will be an adventure...

Then, take a jeepney to one of the nearby beach areas (don't stay in town,
it sucks!)  I forget the name of the one I always went to-ask people where
the Swiss/German Resteraunt is, the one with the free movies every night-
they'll know.  It's Parang, or something like that...  Anyway, the place
has a nice enough beach, good food (try the above mentioned place), and a
Disco.  Oh, and bars, pool tables, etc.  Bring some Snorkel gear, and hire
one of the local guys to take you out on their boat-they'll even make you
a picnic/barbeque if you ask them.

You should be able to find a nice hut there with a hammock out front, and maybe
even a gas stove and refridgerator for 300-500 pesos per night!  There's a
French Swiss guy there who runs a nice place, he'll treat you OK.  Oh, and
go find the floating bar, too.

But museums-I'm not doubting your word, but...
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Looking for Filipino folk music (summary)
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:50:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.

Maraming salamat to all who replied to my post: Mig Gomez,  Andy Means, Les
Aquino, and Joey Tuason, Jr.

I now have a list that I can give my aunt when she goes on a balikbayan
trip at the end of the month.  Here it is for those interested. 
Additions/corrections are welcome.

Traditional folk music:

Bayanihan Troupe               - (Mig)
Mabuhay Singers                - (Andy)


Folk music:

Apo Hiking Society             - More on pop songs.  Some sound
folkish.(Les)
Freddie Aquilar                - (Andy)
Asin                           - "Kapaligiran", "Itanong mo sa mga bata"
(Mig)
                               - (Andy)
                               - 2 volumes of kundiman standards with a
different 
                                 arrangement (Joey)
Joey Ayala at ang Bagong Lumad - Ethnic Music (you can't be more 'real'
                                 than that).  This is sometimes referred to

                                 as alternative music here in the Phils.
(Les)
                               - great band that played intense and
poignant 
                                 songs (Joey)
Banyuhay                       - Folk.(Les)
Coritha                        - Country Folk.        
                                 may SOUND too westernized though but
lyrics
                                 are ok (Les)
Florante                       - Now in L.A. (Andy)
Heber at ang Banyuhay          - (Andy, Joey)
Inang Laya                     - Protest(?) songs / pro-women issues. (Les)
                               - (Joey)
Sampaguita                     - Folk Rock.(Les)

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Clark AB: here we go again
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:15:48 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Jim Kirk writes:

>Still sounds to me like you're trying to ease your conscience.  And I'm not so
>concerned in this case with law as with morality.

>I'm always amazed by what I hear from U.S. servicemen.  It's as though you know
>an entirely different country and people than the Philippines and Filipinos I
>know.


Look, I never tried to say the Philippines was one huge Angeles City 
where the girls were easy or where there is no Filipino culture.
I never said that and if I implied it, well, sorry but I too  believe the
RP is a lot more than Angeles or Olongapo.  ( I traveled elsewhere in 
the country, believe it or not.)

My only disagreement is that the Philippines is as much to blame
as the G.I.'s are  when it comes to closing down these nightclubs.
And Mr. Kirk, Captain, I'm not trying to ease my conscience.

The only Philippines I know, unforntunately, is the one around the
U.S. bases yet  I would love to know the real country someday. 
This ugly fact does mean that I do indeed know an entirely different
Philippines than some who were born here, raised here, or only heard
about what went on at  Clark.  Unfortunately, is it the dark side.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Subject: P.I./R.P.
Reply-To: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:32:01 GMT

I am not a billioner or a hypocrite, I am a Pinoy 
P.I. or R.P. are the same to me 

when I say P.I. I think about my native land all those 7000 plus Islands
when I say R.P. I think about those politicians in the 60s who changed
P.I. to R.P. I still accept it as the Phillipines though.

P.I. or R.P. its the same and that is my opinion.               

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:20:01 GMT

In article <houch.718579873@cavern>, houch@cavern.mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
wrote:
> 
> m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Ching Muyot) writes:
> 
> >Please, if you value our country's independence and respect it's people,
> >refrain from calling the Philippines "PI". The name "Philippine Islands"
> >is a thing of the past and for some of us, brings to mind painful pictures 
> >of our past as oppressed subjects of colonial masters.
> 
> >It is also inaccurate since the country has been called Republic of the
> >Philippines since we gained our independence, therefore, "the Philippine
> >Islands" doesn't exist anymore (except maybe in the mind of our
> >colonizers).
> 
> It exists as a geographical descriptor, not a political entity, i.e., the
> Republic of the Philippines comprises the Philippine Islands.  "Philippine
> Islands" would be proper when refering to physical things associated with
> the land mass (such as volcanos, typhoons, etc.).  It would certainly not
> be correct to use it to refer to government functions (Citizens of the P.I.
> or Government of the P.I.).
> 

Where did you get that idea?  If you wanted to refer to the geography,
wouldn't Philippines be enough? After all the Philippines is comprised of
all those islands.  If you wanted to be specific and highlight the fact
that is is made up of islands, Philippine islands (not Islands) would be
good enough.  There is no need to capitalize "islands". By doing so, you
have made this into a formal name. I don't recall any news reports about
Mt. Pinatubo using this name.

> [stuffs deleted]
> 
> That's what military people tend to call it.  Most of them certainly do
> not realize the implications.  It was used all around the bases by
> Filipinos and foreigners alike, and was placed on t-shirts, gifts, etc.
> It's a sad fact that many serviceman and dependents saw little more of the
> Phillipines apart from the bases, Camp John Hay, and Manila.  It really
> gives a distorted view of the country and the people.
> 

In my opinion, this is a reflection of the US military establishment's lack
of respect for the Philippines and its citizens.


Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: PI or RP (The Philippines)
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.042522.4752@morrow.stanford.edu>,
GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) wrote:
> 
> 
> >From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
> >Subject: The P.I. / RP
> >
> >No offense to any Filipinos but that's what everybody called their
> >country when I was there.  Maybe the more professional people
> >from Manila as opposed to the poorer people in the countryside
> >call it The P.I. rather than The RP.
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I think there was an earlier posting, which is sounds correct:
> 
> PI (Philippine Islands) is a geographical reference, and
> RP (Republic of the Philippines) is a governmental identification.
> 
> Whether there is a deeper connotation on the meanings and historical
> significance for each, really depends on someone's cultural or
> political orientation.
> 
> It's quite interesting to note that this subject attracted emotional
> opinions, and of course, some pragmatic views, as well.
> 

Perhaps you might understand it better if you inform yourself of the
history of the struggle for Philippine independence during the
Philippine-American War in 1899. Between 200,000 to a million (the exact
number will never be known since the US military intentionally
undercounted) Filipinos lost their lives fighting the better armed American
colonizers.

> I say, either nomenclature deserves equal time and space.
> 

I say not!  If the Republic of the Philippines wanted to be referred to as
Philippine Islands, they would have put that on the seal.  There is a big
difference between a republic and a group of islands.

IMHO, the continuing use of the name Philippine Islands (note the capital
I), 
the name used by American colonizers during and after the
Philippine-American war, to refer to the Philippines almost 50 years after
it gained independence,  
reflects either ignorance of the history of the Philippines, or contempt
for its independence.


Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These are my personal opinions*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Maria Muyot)
Subject: How to cook sago!
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:17:24 GMT

Thank to all those who responded to my query: Jose Cruz, Ron from SunSoft
Inc., John Tanlimco, Beethoven Cheng and Annette.

With their helpful suggestions and support, I was been able to cook some
sago tonight. Here's the trick: Lots of boiling water and patience!

Basically, you boil water in a large pot (about 2 quarts for every handful
of uncooked sago). Get it boilng madly then drop the sago in. Keep the
water boiling constantly and the pot uncovered, sort of like cooking pasta.
I also stirred it once in a while to keep the sago from sticking to each
other and the pot. After about 15 minutes, or when the water turns cloudy,
pour the contents of the pot into a large strainer sitting in the sink.
Fill the pot with fresh water and bring it to a boil again. Rinse the sago
in cold water, and return it to the pot once the water is boiling madly
again.

Repeat the process about 2-3 times or until the sago is almost cooked
through (it will turn transluscent except for a pinhead sized area in the
center). Strain, rinse in cold water and transfer to a bowl filled with
cold water. Let it soak for a couple of hours or until it turns completely
transluscent.

It also helps if you don't cook too much at one time. 

Hope this helps.

Annette, glad to hear that you and your friends liked my recipe. I'm now
working on an ensaymada recipe. Care to try it when it's done?

Since I spent too much time cooking the sago, I'll be lazy and use a
bottled halo-halo mix and some leftover leche flan. I think the mix
contains saging, kaong, white beans, reg munggo, macapuno,nata de coco, and
langka.
Next time, I'll invite people over and try to prepare the "halo" myself.
I like saging, white beans, gulaman, camote, pinipig, macapuno, ube, leche
flan, sago, and a scoop of vanilla ice cream to top it all off,
in my halo-halo. What do you like in your halo-halo?

Ching Muyot
m-muyot@uiuc.edu
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LACTOMANGULATION (lak' to man gyu lay' shun) n. Manhandling the "open here"
spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the "illegal"
side.
From: alanlb@bethesda.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Lua-"runt" GODFREY
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:01:45 GMT

Well, he/she 's just some nobody hiding behind a number.  Ignore him/her.

-alan
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Keppel wins Bid for PNOC Dockyards
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-161092113156
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- A consortium led by Singapore-based
Keppel Corp. won the bidding for a state-owned dockyard and ship repair
facility south of Manila in the government's push to privatize state-
owned businesses, the official Philippine News Agency said Friday.
	The news agency said the 668 million peso ($26.7 million) bid by
Keppel and its three Philippine-based partners topped the 450 million
pesos ($18 million) offered by Sembawang Maritime, Ltd. of Singapore
during the sealed bidding.
	PNA identified the three Philippine firms as SM Investments Corp.,
International Container Terminal Services, Inc. and Insular Life
Assurance Co.
	Results of the bidding for the 23-hectare (57-acre) Philippine
National Oil Co. Dockyard and Engineering Corp., would be submitted to
the Committee on Privatization for approval, officials told the news
agency.
	The sale of the facility in Batangas province, 50 miles (80 km) south
of Manila, was in line with the government's efforts to privatize state-
owned companies.
	The facility is the second of 13 subsidiaries of state-run PNOC to be
sold since 1989, the news agency said. The government plans to privatize
most of the company.
	PDEC has 12 stations with an aggregate capacity of 31,500 gross tons
and boasts of a drydock that allows the building and repair of ships of
up to 20,000 dead weight tons, PNA said.
	Keppel officials said the shipyard would immediately be allowed to
operate, the news agency said, adding that sharing arrangements among
the consortium members have not yet been finalized.
	PNOC president Monico Jacob told PNA most of the proceeds from the
sale would go to the development of geothermal plants to help ease a
debilitating power shortage that is keeping away potential foreign
investors from the Philippines.
	Jacob said Petron Corp., one of PNOC's subsidiaries, was next in line
to be sold after guidelines for its privatization are approved by a
government committee.
	``All PNOC subsidiaries which are not directly engaged in energy
development projects would soon be privatized,'' Jacob said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Subject: Answearing Machine "OM"
Reply-To: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:05:47 GMT

Here is one  answearing machine message I heard recently...

Hello, you have reached the office of JOSE CUERVO Assistant to the
Asssistant to the Assistant Chiefs Assistant. Sorry I'm not here
right now that is why you have to talk to this @#@$%&*machine.You
may leave a message at your own risk if you wish after the sound
of the Beep beep beep my Assistant might call you back.......

Q: 2 US Presidential Aspirants That are Vegetarians?

A: Gary Hart--------------------- He is on a RICE Diet
   Bill Clinton ----------------- He is on a FLOWER diet...
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________GO  OAKLAND  A's_____________________ALL THE WAY__________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Mr. Godfrey, yeah...sure!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.112712.1@phys.anu.edu.au>, rbt112@phys.anu.edu.au                    writes...
>L. Godfrey writes:
>(deleted stuffs)
>> Frankly, as most Filipinos take no pride in the part Spain has played
>> in their history (and quite rightly so, as Spain was the beginning of
>> the long downhill slide of the RP), I'm not sure I understand why they
>	Frankly, too, I didn't know you're an expert on Philippine 
>issues and you have talked to many of us to make this conclusion of how
>we feel about our Spanish colonial past.
> 
>> have kept the name Philippines at all.  Why not "Pinland" or "Pinesia"
>> or something like that
>	We have grown to love the name so much, we just can't change it.
>Besides, it is already an americanised version of the original Spanish
>name for our country.
>	By the way, I checked the other groups you have been posting to. Yes,
>you have the right to "raid" newsgroups to have "stimulating and intelligent"
>exchange of opinions with other people, but I have a feeling that you are just
>a lonely person who wants somebody to talk to.
>								royt
>Pahabol(guess what this word means):
>	I gather that SSC will be operational around the end of the century.
>What are you working on? (Maybe a bit personal to ask in this posting, but
>I hope the others will find you an interesting, not the irritating, sort of
>person you seem to be.)


In answer to your questions:  my wife is a Filipina.  I met her in the
Philippines.  I do not work at SSC, I am in London with my wife.  Okay?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rgdelav@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Subject: Re: Lea Salonga
Reply-To: rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:44:03 GMT

My wife and I went to see the concert at the San Francisco Civic Auditorium
last Saturday.  We arrived at about 7:25 pm ( the concert was supposed to
start at 7:45).  There was a line outside and it took us about 15 - 20 mins
to get inside.  The first thing I noticed was that there were about 3 
food stalls at the lobby serving siopao, halo-halo, pansit, b-b-q, etc.

Tickets were :  balcony - $25, lodge - $35, main floor - $45, $65 and $80.
Before the show started, the organizers announced that part of the proceeds 
are for the Mt. Pinatubo relief fund. The hall was about 3/4 full and I
would say there were probably between 2000 - 5000 that attended.

She opened the show with "Simple lang ako" - I wasn't familiar with this song
and I left the Phils in 1979.  Then she sang songs that she recorded when she
was I think 9 years old (such as "Tomorrow").  The rest of the show featured:
1) East meets West  - songs from "south Pacific", etc.
2) Filipino classics - such as bahay kubo, leron leron sinta, etc.
3) Tribute to Cameron Mackintosh - songs from broadway plays Phantom of the
   Opera, Les Miserables and Cats
4) Miss Saigon - about four or five songs.

She performed with Christopher Pecaro ( the one who played the marine in Miss
Saigon).  Overall, I think the concert was great.  I would say she ranks
up there with the best singers of today. One interesting comment she made was
that her first language was english and then later learned tagalog.

She did say that she will be the voice (singing I guess) in an upcoming Walt 
Disney movie "Alladin".  She is in the process of recording an album.  She 
will start on January 5 as "Antoine" in Les Miserables in New York. And she
did say that she hopes to win a  grammy or an oscar someday.

There was also a nice review of her concert in the San Francisco Chronicle
the next day.

Butch DelaVega
From: noelg@crash.cts.com (Noel Gamboa)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:35:51 PDT

In article <m-muyot-061092145040@chang.slip.uiuc.edu> m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Ching Muyot) writes:
>It is also inaccurate since the country has been called Republic of the
>Philippines since we gained our independence, therefore, "the Philippine
>Islands" doesn't exist anymore (except maybe in the mind of our
>colonizers).
>
>Most Filipinos who grew up in the Philippines would not know what you're
>referring to anyway since it's not commonly used back home (we use the
>abbreviations, RP, Phils., or 'Pinas.). 
>
>Based on my observations, why is it that most people who
>call the Philippines "PI" are associated with the US military? 

I for one couldn't figure out what "PeeEye" meant when I first heard
it.  I hear it a lot from first generation Filipino youths here in
San Diego.  I'm afraid the reason for using this term might be that
they're embarassed to say exactly which country they're from, so they
just say "PI" and those who know what it means will know.  It's sad.
I for one am never ashamed to say "Philippines."

Noel Gamboa (egamboa@ucsd.edu or noelg@crash.cts.com)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino