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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:09:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr14.201056.6837@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>Andrew Farrel(afarrell@maths.tcd.ie)
>>I've only been reading X-thingies since X-Men #1 (the second) So this is all
>>IMHO, but the sooner they get rid of the Walkin' Talkin' Ahcent the better.
>>^L
>>Shugah.
>
>HEY RUBE!!!
>This is a call to all RFCers and defenders of the SOUTH everywhere(this means yo
>u too DAUM)
>
>Let's flash fry this dude!!!!
>
>----------------SCAVENGER
>

	What is this guy talking about.  Get rid of Rogue?  Bit yer tongue,
yankee scum.  If anyone should leave, it's Wolverine.  Not that I don't like
him, but I think he's stagnant in X-Men and should be explored more in depth
in his own title. (especially his "mysterious background")

						Raythrax
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: X-notes, X-traitor
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:13:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.163924.28262@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.152732.9319@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>>
>>>True... and she was also a white, British model who probably couldn't
>>>perform a single ninja action if her life depended on it.  Nor could
>>>she endlessly prattle on about her "psychic knife."  But then, I'm
>>>just nitpicking here.  (Personally, I think she was using her powers on
>>>Cyclops, but I have no idea why.  Maybe Psylocke is the traitor...)
>>
>>	I agree.  I think Psylocke used her powers on Scott.  Examine the
>>
>>panel again and note the hazy outline.  As for Psylocke being the traitor,
>>it's possible, but considering the fact that I heard the X-writers haven't
>>decided yet, I tend to think the whole traitor plotline will be dropped.
>>	As for a white, British model performing ninja actions, haven't you
>>ever seen that Lee Van Cleef opus, "The Master" ?  If an aging bad actor can
>>flip over helicopter blades, Psylocke should have no problem.    :)
>>
>>						L8R,
>>					Raythrax (yes, that is my real name)
>>
>
>Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name, which I doubt), I have
>seen "The Master" (actually, I saw the "Master Ninja II" episode of
>"Mystery Science Theater 3000," but that's beside the point).  The point
>I was making was that Psylocke was white, British, and in no way resembled
>a ninja.  Then she goes through the Seige Perilous, winds up with the
>Hand, and suddenly she's an Oriental ninja!  How'd that happen?
>
	OK, I didn't catch the change in culture from Caucasian to
Oriental.  Then again, Wolverine went from Canadian to Japanese to
Cthulhu knows what.  Before you know it, they'll reveal that Gambit is
really a Nordic immortal barbarian and subsequently lead Highlord.  Boy,
sometimes it's better if they leave a character's background alone rather
than fill in uncharacteristic details.

>And, please, I'm a big "Bloom County" fan.  Never call a Lee Van Cleef 
>movie an opus.  Please.

	Take it to rec.arts.comics.strips.   :)

					Doubt what you will,
							Raythrax
From: dimshftr@netlink.cts.com (Adam Tow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Art Guidelines-Marvel
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.PHocJB5w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


        Does anyone have any information pertaining to Marvel's 
guidelines for submitting art? Thanks.

ds/at

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Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 21:05:04 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor

The traitor: Some say it's Gambit, some say it's Bishop (myself included), some
say it's Rogue. Maybe, maybe it's all of them. Follow: Gambit has been trying
to touch Rogue despite her protests that "ah'll absorb your psyche and powers,
blah blah blah." Gambit could touch Rogue and take over her psyche. Next he
seeks out Bishop who is the energy caster. From there they blast or power-zap
whoever's left. Don't ask me about motives here. I don't think Gambit is the
traitor so I don't know why he'd do it. But the method seems to be there.
Maybe Mikail is involved; he (or Bishop) forces Gambit into touching Rogue and
starting the process. Again, that could be the smoking gun, but as for a motive
I haven't a clue.
--BJP
From: angst@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Billy Mumy (WAS Re: DC: Doom Patrol Annotations (long))
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:46:29 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Got it wrong:

>	Fish heads, Fish heads,
>	Roly-poly fish heads,
 	Fish heads, Fish heads,
>	Eat them up, yum!

Andy
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:31:09 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>Are the comics based on the "Wildcard" series any good?  HOw many issues were
>ever published?  I've seen the graphic novel in the store, but it had plastic
>sealing it up.  

   Well, I kind of enjoyed them.  Although some of the characters looked
differently from how I pictured them, it was, IMHO, better than some of the
books out today. The authors and artists of the comics tried for the "group 
feel" of the novels, and did a good job. There's a kick-ass section on
Peregrene drawn by Stroman.  

> Also,  does it really matter the order to read the books in after number 1?  I
>can't find number two, and I was thinking of skipping to number 3 and waiting
>to read #2 later.  Will this mess up the time flow?

   Do you mean the comic series, or the books? I think you should buy number
three, but not read it until after reading number two. So much happens in these
books, if you skip one you can get lost easily. And I'd save reading the comics
until after reading "Aces Abroad", book number four. Otherwise the comic is
like a spoiler for all four books. 

   And I'm sorry to sound nit-picky, but it's spelled "Wild Cards".
It's no big deal, I'm just like that.

-JCD
From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Force and The New Mutants
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <visser.702533076@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>In <9204060117.AA04370@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

>+>Illyana's mutant power was teleportation. Her armour and sword are both results
>+>of her "limbo-life", she was protected from mental attacks because she was the
>+>Darkchild. It would be more plausible for her to retain the teleportation 
>+>ability than these items.
>
>	
>	Everything about Illyana's current existance is implausable.  She 
>didn't go to limbo, yet everyone remembers her and her role in "history"
>as darkchild-Illyana.  Given whats happened to her so far, I dont think
>retaining the magic would be that unbelievable.  She retains the power
>for the same reason that history didn't get totally rewritten when she 
>didnt go to limbo.  
>
>	It might be more plausible for her to retain her teleportation ability,
>but teleportation is a bad story gimmick.  It give the characters an 
>easy way out too much of the time.  


The way I see it, the Illyana that survived Inferno is not the same one
that caused it.  Remember, when the X-men first followed Illyana into
limbo, they met counterparts to themselves.  They learned that there were
two predominant histories of the X-men entering Limbo.  One in which the
X-Men leave, while Illyana stays (The one in the Marvel Universe), and a
second, in which Illyana leaves and the X-Men stay.  What I think happened
in Inferno is that the adult Illyana commited suicide, and using her magik,
redirected the child Illyana from the alternate reality into the marvel
universe.

	Hopefully, if this is so, Illyana will grow up without any mutant
OR magical powers at all. (After all, Limbo is now sealed against her form
of teleportation, and she never learned the magic of Belasco, and she never
but the psi barriers around her mind.)  This can still make a couple of good
stories.  After all, what would you do if your brothers had mutant powers
and could defend themselves, while you registered as a mutant to all mutant
detection devices, but had no powers at all?

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |  one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    |
From: mlh2416@summa.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Judge Dredd
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:24:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


howdy,

i was in Ireland 2 years ago and picked up some issues of 2000AD that had the 
Judge Dredd Necropolis (sp?) plot in them.  when i got back, i asked the local
comic shop if they carried it, but they said that i couldn't get 200AD in the
US.  recently on the net i saw a refeence to a GN that contained all the
Necropolis stories.  who makes this, where can i get this, and how 
much does it cost?

thanx,

clueless
mike herring
mlh2416@zeus.tamu.edu
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Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 08:35:53 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
 <visser.702853520@convex.convex.com>

My proposed thoery for why Warpath got so huge is that he's just another
growing mutant, like Guido.  As his strength slowly progresses, he'll start
gaining additional mass and height due to his augmentation.  When Warpath
first started, he was relatively weak, but as he grew older, he grew stronger,
eventually developing in size as well as strength.

(Then, there are those who consider super-strength as a logical extension of
telekinesis, like in the Wildcards books.  However, all things considered,
even there,  you have mutations where great size adds to great strength.)

Doug.
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 09:53:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.145047.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) writes:
>
>Interesting theory... This ties into something I was wondering about in the 
>X-Men. (I only have have time to skim through so I forget lots of stuff and 
>probably missed something)
>1) Jean dies... again.
>2) She ends up in the White Queen's Body
>3) She is returned to her body and is feeling _much_ better now. 
>4) At the beginning of the story where Hank, Scott and ? were ambushed in the 
>house. As they were talking about it just after someone mentions that ? is on 
>to something.
>5) Jean is sneaking around in the background and repeats the statement that 
>? is on to something as if contemplating.
>
>If we follow your analagy, we need a Morgan Le Fay. The White Queen 
>perhaps? *What if* the whiter queen is not really dead? *What if* she was 
>transferred into Jeans body with or instead of Jean? *What if* she has 
>control?
>
>The white queen would then be in a prime spot to infulence negative 
>feelings and strees in the team. She could mentally pressure the rest of 
>the X-Men in sutble ways. She would also have a great deal of influence 
>over Nathen... The only problem with this is, of course, that she would 
>have to get out of Jean's body and, according to the video, it was an 
>outside person who killed the team.
>
>Something to think about.....
>
>Scott.

So interesting, that let me pose this to you...
	Not only did Jean Gray do it, but also wanted to take out 
X-Force and X-Factor as well.  Here's how she does it...
	1)  Takes over Psylocke (Now has reason to.."Stay away from mah Man!)
		and Professor X.
	2)  Takes over all energy projectors.
	3)  Wipes the floor with all X-Men.
	4)  In a moment from "Return of the Living Dead," gets on the horn,
		after bloodying herself, and calls Cable and Alex, to nuke
		them as well.
	5)  After delivering the fraction of the message, tells one of her
		psi-slaves to hit her with a low level, bast, dampened by
		her TK.  She screams in agony, and switches off the viewer.
	6)  She goes up to the kitchen, prepares herself a cup of tea, and
		waits for the morons to come running through the door.

Of course, what REALLY doesn't make sense is that the X-men came to the
assistance of the White Queen in the issue she was toasted in.  Unless she's
psychotic (or stupid), she would never do it.  Motive?  Remember, Post-
Claremont buried the hatchet on the Hellfire Club.

I'm still rooting for a three-person tagteam, consisting of Longshot, Psylocke,
and Dazzler, managed by Mojo.


-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of a Bunch of Stuff tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Why would you think a priest any more moral than the rest of us?  Heavens
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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:29:27 GMT


Okay, I appreciate the point of view that characters can be portrayed as
'shades of grey' rather than black or white, and that Gambit doesn't
*have* to be all good or all bad - in fact the Comedian is the first
person I thought of when I thought this too (great minds think alike, eh?).
BUT this needs to be done with subtlety and intelligence in the writing,
and I just don't see this being done in the X-Men. The X-Men are protrayed
simplistically as a 'cool' team, the comic caters primarily to teenage
male power-fantasists and a few nostalgic hangers-on who can't quit bad
habits (like me), and Gambit specifically is being portrayed as a
particularly cool character. There seems to be no hint of ambiguity in the
writing, no sense that we are being presented with a moral dilemma; in
fact, as one poster has said, it is possible that Marvel haven't even
considered the implications of what's happening. It's not, IMHO, a valid
or worthwile treatment of the subject of either harassment *or* of the
'flawed hero' concept. It's being portrayed as teenage
fantasy-role-model-fodder.

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Sandman Annotations
From: dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:09:17 GMT
Reply-To: dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson)
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department

I am trying to reach the sandman annotations at theory.lcs.mit.edu but dont really
know how to do it.  I can type "ftp theory.lcs.mit.edu" and it says I'm connected and
all, but I cant get any further when I try for directoryu pub/wald/sandman.

Can anyone e-mail me with help?  Thanks
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META:  Saving Grace of all this crap
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:47:07 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr14.051231.12997@sol.UVic.CA> From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)

> I'm usually glad that the school term is ending, but I'm more happy than ever
> for one simple reason:

> Most of the Marvel/Liefeld/X-Whathaveyou fans will disappear for four glorious
> months, and the signal:noise ratio will reduce considerably.

Agreed.  I wouldn't mind them if they used consistant subject titles
so I could filter them out.

> Don't give me the old "if you want to talk about it, write about it" salt.
> There ain't nothing anyone can do about other posters except wait.

> The hour hand counts down.

> Direct flames to alt.go.away.little.boy.

When do the Sandman fans go away?
In June when high school gets out? ;-)

I wouldn't mind them if they used consistant subject titles
so I could filter them out.

Whats the difference?
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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Theme Park - BATMAN
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.143314.5623@lmpsbbs.mot.com>, stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com writes...
> 
> 
>  It won't be officially unvailed to the public until May 9th, but season
>  pass holders of Six Flags GREAT AMERICA (Gurnee, Il.) have learned that
>  this year's newest attraction will be...
> 
>	BATMAN - The Roller Coaster
> 
>  From what I understand, this will be the first ride of its kind. They 
>  describe it as a looping, twisting, turning, fully suspended, nothing
>  under your seat but air thrill ride. I'm having a hard time picturing
>  this, but it sounds like a combination between the flying swings and
>  a roller coaster. It is all apparently sanctioned through Warner Bros 
>  and DC and area surrounding the ride is depicting the streets of Gotham
>  City.


This sounds a little like XL-R8 at Astroworld in Houston.  Only with loops.
XL-R8 is suspended but you still sit in a car.  Maybe this new BATMAN ride
will get it right.

Not that XL-R8 isn't fun, it just isn't GREAT.  (Ridee the Texas Cyclonee f
that!)  :) 



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From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Peter David to write Aquaman
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:43:12 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <2083@uswnvg.UUCP>, scott@nv10.uswnvg.com (Scott Eckelman) writes:
> In article <56603@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>And in case it wasn't clear (since I don't generally resort to smileys and
>>such), no, my feelings weren't hurt.  The tone was meant to be tongue in
>>cheek.  Takes more than you got to hurt me, kiddos.
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>PAD
> 
> Oooh, sounds like the gauntlet has been flung down :-).  Any takers?

If anyone wishes to see Peter David criticized intelligently, go to 
the star trek.current board and look for posts by Rob Knauerhase.
Although, he actually liked the last book;)
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: Rogues powers...
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:42:34 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr15.143528.1916@urbana.mcd.mot.com>, asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
> 
> Where has it been said that the more dominant psyche takes over Rogue's body
> when touched? The only psyche that has "taken over" Rogue's body was Carole
> Danvers'. The reason this would happen would be because Rogue absorbed too
> much of Danvers, thus causing Rogue to confuse her memories with
> Carole's. Also,
> Rogue would "let" the Danvers psyche "take over" when she had something 
> traumatic happen to her.
> 
> Come on people, Rogue has touched Mephisto, Loki, Wolverine, and a number of
> other people whose will is WAY stronger than hers. Their "psyche" has never
> taken over.
> 					Tony
-- 
	I'm sorry to disappoint you, Tony, but...when Rogue absorbs
someone, there is a contest of wills involved...whoever has the stronger
psyche wins...Rogue was unable to completely absorb Mephisto and Loki,
so there wills were 'taken'...besides, they probably have magical
defenses...when she absorbed Wolvie, he was doing it willingly, not
wanting to put up a fight...


	Eric

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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:35:49 GMT

In <1992Apr7.231330.3206@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

>[I wrote...]
>>
>>The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
>>Cards material.
>>

>How?  Things that happen in the comic were rendered impossible by DEAD MAN'S
>HAND.

GURPS Wild Cards Aces Abroad (not to be confused with volume IV) says:

   _Wild Cards_, as large a series as it is -- books, comics, games,
   and just optioned for a movie by Hollywood Pictures -- makes every
   effort to keep timelines and characters straight.  To that end,
   only the novels, comics, and John J. Miller's _GURPS Wild Cards_
   sourcebook have been declared "official."  All other _Wild Cards_
   material -- games, movies, TV shows, and cover artwork -- has been
   declared "unofficial," and may or may not reflect the "reality" of
   the books and comics.

Note that the author of GWCAA is denying his own officialness.  (As he
certainly should; as early as the third paragraph of the book he
starts playing fast and loose with the chronology by moving the
"Typhoid Croyd" outbreak to 1991 for no good reason...)

As for the contradictions you suggest exist, I can't think of any.
Please remember that the comics are set chronologically before _Ace in
the Hole_/_Dead Man's Hand_...

         Michael Stoodt
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