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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Sex vs. Gender -- Re: Witches on Gender Relations
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Date: 12 Dec 1992 18:57:43 UTC

In article <1992Dec12.160457.6276@athena.cs.uga.edu> 
tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
>>In <fWk3agN@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>A'ight. I'll buy that too. But, I think you have to proceed with
>>>caution, because if you put the field of opposites together, there is
>>>no guarantee that you can reverse it. So, if you take the two
>>>opposites of you and me and are able to perceive the ONE, then there is
>>>no more *you*. By Hindu dogma, *you* vanish in a puff of light, into the
>>>transcendent.
>And is "vanishing" something we should strive for?  (or "simply realize in
>the satori sense).

I guess you are talking about "feed the fire" versus "quench the fire?"
Meaning, life feeds on life thus creating or recreating death. Life is a
snake eating its own tail. This is also a fire leaving only the
question: Should one feed the fire or quench the fire?

>I would think that all pagans would completely reject
>the idea of a monistic universe, where everything is really illusion and no
>particular gods exists anyway.
>Wouldn't ya'll agree?

Why would you think that? Wouldn't that be dogmatic? I am aware of no
such rules of paganism, perhaps others will care to comment. I think if
you look around you will even find atheistic pagans. Hinduism, the
collected beliefs of the pre-Islamic Indian subcontinent, is clearly
pagan, perhaps even defining the meaning of pagan. There are followers
of Hinduism who are monistic, there are followers who are atheist, there
are followers who are monotheist, there are followers who are
trinitarians, there are followers who are polytheistic ... In a sense
this is a meaning of paganism, freedom from enforced dogma.
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Buddha..MindMachines..INDIA
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:45:00 -0600
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From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:51:47 PST

Re: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change

One thing I forgot to mention in my reply to Ashley's post. The most highly
developed area of recycling I know of is metals reclaiming, for instance,
the gold flash on connector fingers literally can be separated from the
copper foil, and both the copper and gold is saved for later resale and
reuse. The processes use lots of power and chemicals (I think cyanide is
one of them) . The point? Recycling per se does not HAVE to be environmentally
benign. 

blessings...
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From: cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ray Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: skyclad ritual
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:06:51 GMT
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There are many schools of thought concerning skyclad rituals.
The one I am most familiar with states that working skyclad
increases the power available for the work.

I work both skyclad and robed, depending on the ritual, who I am
with, and the weather. Around here, a skyclad witch in winter
can usually count on becoming a popsickle (sp?) in short order.

Ultimately, I would say to practice skyclad only if it feels
right to you. I personally have never noticed a difference.

Blessed be,

Antryg
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From: lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the safty of nuclear power
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:25:17 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC - DOS/Waffle 1.65

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:

> I mentioned that it is safer then were we curently get much if not most
> of our energy->fosil fuels<- The berning of coal dumps CO2, sulfer componds
> CO, and other carbon compounds into our air. The use of fosil fuils is the
> couse of smog and about all of our air polution. Radioactives may have long
> 1/2 lives but they are sealed and put were they arn't killing us *NOW*.

As long as the sealed containers stay sealed.....

> I also mentioned spliting water as were nuclear power should anbd is heading

Splitting water?  Maybe you mean fusing hydrogen.  Splitting water is 
usually done via electrolysis and TAKES energy instead of GIVING it.

> A lot of energy can be getten from this and the products arnt hazerdus.

Fusion doesn't generate much in the way of highly radioactive waste.  
Supposedly the reaction chamber will become radioactive after a while due 
to neutron bombardment.

> In fact we could get the H2 for use as fuil in this maner and it will get
> converted back into H20. Spliting H2O is still nuclear energy. 

Well, the hydrogen used in fusion power production doesn't form H2O but 
probably some form of helium. I think.

> There is no indistry with greater safe gardes. It is hard for an acedent to
> happen unlike with the use of fosil fuils.

There are great safeguards in the fission power plants in use today and 
they still have problems.  Fusion plants would be much better in the long 
run.  Unfortunately, commercial level fusion power plants are still quite a 
ways off I think.

Lance

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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:38:44 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <gate.8PysVB1w165w@pil.UUCP>, alizard@pil writes:

> Re: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
>  
> > From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
> > Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> > Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
> > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:55:17 GMT
> > alizard@pil writes:
> > >> and unecessary. Geez..people, can we be kind ?
> > >> >blessings,
> > >> al
> > >Ashley has the right to say what he pleases. When he obviously doesn't
> > >know what he's talking about, he does NOT have the right to be taken
> > >seriously. This is a serious issue. If he wants to be taken seriously
> > >on this by any but the equally ignorant, he needs to do some serious
> > >study on subjects ranging from recycling to economics to space technology.
> > So I guess the answer is no ...huh?
> > ;-(
> 
> Ever heard of the concept of "grandmotherly kindness"?

Yes, 'Liz . . . and that's NOT what you've been showing twords 
Ashley lately.  Instead, you've been rude and abusive.

How about you stop making personal attacks on Ashley, and deal
with the issues a bit more directly?

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: dan@eye.com (Dan Loewus)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Questions and another poem
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:55:10 GMT
Keywords: Questions...
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

>DARK MISTRESS
>-------------
>by Stayka deyAvemta
>(c) 1989/10/31

Hello to all,

I am new to the group, but have wrote a song this year that may apply here.
It was written for singing on Hollows Eve.

(no title)

Drunk cat plays spin and swat
Drunk sings and wines above
The bottle spins breaks and spills
Drunk laps a big big fill

Fire plays as darkness falls
Spirits dance down with the sun
Dragons den filled with gems
Hollows Eve has come again

The forever is here to play the night
Darkness comes with the fire light
All things watch this hollow night
Creeping with the fire light

Logs burning the spirit dance
Shadows flicker eyes a glance
Songs of woods witches brew
Wizards dragon horns renewed

Deep in the woods this dark dark night
An owl watches bats in flight
Oak tree stand feather in hand
Leaves rustle fall and land

We watch and wait a crackling log
The cold stand watches across a bog
Things abound a night of fear
Cold wind blows snow is near

The fire burns the cold of night
Crow takes off and begins a flight
Sounds of thumps creaks and things
Spider webs and crawly things

A ghost is lost forever here
Sit down now and you will fear
The globin head the orgre feet
The graveyard dance a gravestone feast

Sprig of bane garlic wreath
Cast this spell at your feet
Taste the wine touch the cat
Find an owl and dont look back

The cat now sleeps a wine soaked head
The bottle empty forever read
No more thoughts of graveyard food
Hollows eve is forever new

By Daniel Loewus
(c) 1992/10/31
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From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Merry Yule to you all!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:21:12 GMT

A merry Yule to all those who read this. 

Pray for peace in Bosnia and Somalia.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth


Lost Boy
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change - Porcelain +
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:10:05 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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Porcelain recycling would have to be done by using the chunks or debris
as filler in building materials of some sort.  There is an irreversible
chemical change involved in the firing of ceramic materials.  (Well,
maybe not technically irreversable, but certainly a change that is
simply too expensive to reverse.)

Sheetrock and gypsum plaster products, however, can be fairly easily recycled
because the processing is simply one of removing the water from the mix
again.

Actually, one of the hardest materials to recycle in the class of
building materials is portland cement, it undergoes a physical chemical
change that is practically irreversable.
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From: dbb@well.sf.ca.us (David B. (Ben) Burch)
Subject: Re: CFCs & inhalors
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:26:31 GMT

n>> 
Elf-Kin>> The biggist problem with with people who want CFCs eliminated
Elf-Kin>> *NOW* is that there isnt a viable substatute for them *NOW*.
Elf-Kin>> Think the curint rise in deaths due to asthma is frightning
Elf-Kin>> elimanate CFCs completly with out a viable substatute.

I agree!  I would be dead several times now if not for my CFC-containing
inhaler.  Still, we can come up with other gasses to use.  Iso-butane
might be safe enough.  The quantities used in medical dose delivery are so
small that the venting of the system in one refrigerated ship is much worse
for the ozone problem than all of the medical inhalants used in a year.
Lets consider that triage is better when you have a limited ability to
change things...

-Ben
From: tratclif@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Tracy Ratcliff)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: nuclear
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:55:11 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <JBkwVB1w165w@circle.raleigh.nc.us> lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) writes:
>Just to play devil's advocate: :-)
>
>bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
>> In article <XJuqVB1w165w@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US> lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (La
>> >And the fact that a fission reaction the operators lose control of can 
>> >easily build to the point where it explodes or "drills" its way into the 
>> >ground.  This is not good.
>> 
>> This is also not necessarily true.  There are several reactor designs which
>> incorporate passive shutdown systems.  One I recall involved the use of 
>> borated water; if the core raised too high in temperature, it would melt
> through into the borated water chamber.  There were other designs.

If anyone's interested in a somewhat pro-nuclear view of the so-called
'walk-away' designs for nuclear reactors, look at the April 1990 issue of 
Popular Science.  (The issue just happened to be on top of the stack next
to the computer.  Perhaps Mama Isis is taking a hand..;-) )

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From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Santa Claus
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:31:29 GMT
Organization: Coordinating Centers For Biometric Research, University of Minnesota

In article <Bz9v5A.44L@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>people at this time of year. Just because he brings toys doesn't mean he
>has to symbolize boundless consumerism -- he *makes* those toys especially 
>for each child, right? :-> And I don't think greed has to enter into it
>necessarily, either; nobody ever told me that Santa was going to bring
>everything I ever wanted, just something special for "being good", which, 
>while it might be something of a parental plot, isn't such a bad goal if
>"good" is defined reasonably. (fairness, kindness, consideration, trust-
>worthiness, honesty, etc.) Of course, it can be argued that one shouldn't 

My (non-Christian) parents had a pretty neat way of curtailing greed
in eager little kids - my brother and I were allowed to ask Santa
for *one* thing apiece - the rationale being that Mom and Dad could
afford to buy us a few other presents as well, but other kids' parents
couldn't, and we should let Santa bring lots of presents to them,
rather than to us.

Jill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: What the hell to do for Solstice
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:23:55 GMT

In article <2B281FB7.22902@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1g9464INN3gi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ray Henry) writes:
>>
>>Well, Janis, I'm not sure what to tell you. If it is any comfort,
>>I am facing the same dilemma. My mother is devout Christian and my
>>father (step, actually) is Buddhist. The last thing I need is to
>>start a THREE way religious conflict. Sheesh!
>
>My family is in no way religious, but Witchcraft still carries crappy
>connotations.  They also live in a very conservative and unenlightened
>area where, as I've said, the words "nigger" and "faggot" pepper
>conversations constantly.  They are quite enlightened for the area, but
>nonetheless, my mom is already trying to convince me to move back home,
>and I'm worried that she will seize on any opportunity to convince
>herself that I'm in trouble out here.  Ah, well.
>
>Blessings,
>Janis  

With all this concern and grief about what to tell family or whatever,
er, ah, why bother.  I was born into a very Catholic family.  Years ago
after much searching I could not deal with it, or with any of the 
traditional monotheisms.  I simply stopped going to the church of my 
parents and that was that.  When my folks asked I simply said that I could not
deal with the hype and nonsense.  I was perhaps 30 at the time.

I am now much older.  When I visit home I will go to church with my Mum,
now in her late 80's.  When asked if I go to church. I simply smile and
say that I go for walks in the woods or go beach coming or watch the full
moon rise and that is all the religion I need.  I am speaking the truth.

If asked (I think I have been asked once) I tell people that I honor all
of nature.  I worship our Mother Earth, and the moon in the sky.  I am
speaking the truth.  

You do not have to tell folks the "W" word.  You have only to be honest.

Ride Free,

Bill
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From: lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: nuclear
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:17:32 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC - DOS/Waffle 1.65

txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:

> Nuclear!= radioactive necesaraly

True, fusion leaves behind much less radioactive waste than fission.

> nuclear is a refrince to spliting (fission) or combining (fusion) of atoms or
> nuceuses. Spliting water trew bombardment were one of the base componits
> is altered would be nuclear. With the right know how we could split atoms
> with out producing nuclear wast, and yes we can recycle and 'clean' some
> of the wast. The process is improving and is rather new. Most of the concept

Can you tell us more about this process?  They must be using some element 
that fissions into non-radioactive byproducts under usable conditions.  
Otherwise they still have to dispose of the (usually) highly radioactive 
byproducts safely.

> of the danger comes from nuclear bomes were two chunks of radioactive 
> plutonium are smashed to gether creating a runaway reaction.(sort of

And the fact that a fission reaction the operators lose control of can 
easily build to the point where it explodes or "drills" its way into the 
ground.  This is not good.

Lance

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From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Start again.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:42:34 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1gksqiINN16s@mirror.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <gate.oBmmVB1w165w@pil.UUCP> alizard@pil writes:
<snip>> 
>>excellent question.      Problem with it is that makework jobs are
>>extremely expensive to create.  A question I have about it is, do we
<snip>
>and then creating jobs for these newly retrained individuals. Like moving
>heavy industry into space. Hell, if I was given the opportunity to retrain
>as an asteroid miner, I'd jump at the opportunity. We need to develop the
>soace program to that point, while at the same time develop technology here
>that makes a lower and lower impact on the environment. The two go hand in
>hand. Our future is growth, and we're living in a limited space environment
>if we stay planetbound. But I caution that we can't just drop everything
>here in favour of going out there. The two have to work together. It's the
>only way.
>
THANK YOU, Corun! What a lead-in! 

Intro:
1)
A couple of weeks ago, the asteroid Toutatis (pronounced, I am told, Two-to-tea)
passed within 2M miles of the Earth. It will return, at least for a while (I
assume it's orbit is changing) every four years. The next two passes will be
further, but in 2004 is will be < 1M. 
2)
The space program is (and has been) floundering. No firm goal has been decided
for it (or ones too big).
3) 
The Incredible Shrinking Space Station is absurd. By the time it gets up,
it will be a tin can drop-kicked out the airlock door.

Therefore:
   I have formed a committee (of one, suckers, er, I mean volunteers welcome),
tenatively named "The Asterix Group" (from the comic, since that's who he
swears by, being a pre-Roman Gaul). Our (editorially speaking) slogan, and
our goal is 
		Toutatis in 2004!

The first project of this committee is to answer these questions:
   1) Is it technologically feasable to add enough controllable delta-v
	to Toutatis so that by 2004 we could move it into Earth orbit
	(somewhere between 1K & 22.3K miles out, *well* above any trace
	of atmosphere, but keeping in mind the Van Allen Belts); and
   2) if it is technologically feasable, what is the most economical
	(cost-effective) way to do this?

If done, this would give us a serious base in space, one easily accessable
by current technology, and big enough to build an industrial park in space.
Staff could cheaply be rotated to the Moon, and, less occasionally, to Earth.

Any takers?

	mark
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From: Angela Johnson <Angela_Johnson@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 16:08:16 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
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In article <lihit5INN7kd@news.bbn.com> Dawn Hardin, dhardin@bbn.com
writes:
> Personally, I think Alizard was performing an act of kindness, but you
may disagree.

Disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!  Alizard rarely displays an act of kindness towards
anyone on ANY of the groups!

>Especially since .... has demonstrated a fair share of brains elsewhere.

Did you read Ashley's original posting on this subject?  The posting
provided clear-cut IDEAS for recycling; others have also provided
good ideas.  I don't think anyone should be criticized, especially
publically, about his/her ideas.  Even if you DO disagree with 
some ideas, criticism could be given more discreetly and constructively.  

However, I don't think personally attacking Ashley or anyone else on
this, or 
other groups, is necessary - that DOES demonstrate "a fair share of brains
elsewhere" and a lack of consideration for others views/feelings/opinion,
etc.
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Julenisse (was: Re: Santa Claus)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:20:36 EST
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Well, for my Danish-American grandmother Yule presents (Danish: Jule, the
normal word for "Christmas") were brought by the Julenisse, roughly trans-
lated as "Yule elf."  The nisser (that's the plural of nisse) are home and
forest spirits, sort of like elves, brownies or gnomes; the traditional
"look" of a nisse is more like a gnome than an elf, however.  We also sent
Yule wishes up the chimney when I was a child ... does anyone do that any-
more?  You write your wishes on a piece of paper, fold it once or twice,
and toss it into the updraft, just under the lintel above the fireplace;
if you do it right, it goes up the chimney and you never see it again.
We kids never managed to see it come out the top, no matter how cleverly
we timed things, and this (we were told) meant that it really had gone
where it should, and not just out into the big outdoors.  Funny, though,
now that I think of it after 40 years have passed, no one was ever willing
to be very precise about where they thought it had gone.  Probably where-
ever the Julenisse lived, but it was never spelled out.  -- Robert

(Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)