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From: jka@ece.cmu.edu (Jay Adams)
Subject: video poker simulations
Originator: jka@mustang.ece.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU ECE Dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:59:46 GMT


I'm running a few hundred million hands of video poker to figure out
optimal strategy and expected return.  So far I have been able to get
results similar to those that Steve Jacobs included in the FAQ for
machines that pay 5/8 (5 for a flush, 8 for a boat) with a progressive
royal flush jackpot of 2500.  Here are the other runs I would like to
do:

  1. 6/9 with a non-progressive royal flush jackpot

  2. single joker

  3. that funny double card thing that someone mentioned

  4. anything else that shows up in casinos


What I need to know is this:

- What do 6/9 machines pay for a royal flush (1000?, 800?)

- What are the payouts when a joker is included?

- Any such thing as progressive w/ joker?  What are payouts?


Final question: how do progressive jackpots grow?  Is it a percentage
of the take?  What percentage?


Watch this space for exciting simulation results, a veritable
triplecast of data.


- Jay


From: bruceh@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bruce Hayek)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:45:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Cheating at Poker
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.gambling


Mitch,

I actually enjoy putting on moves like the one you described:

"Checking out of turn and then raising."

I don't know that this is unethical... it's more another form of
deception to practice to mix up your game, that takes advantage of
the house rules.  A player who bases his play on your antics deserves
what he gets....


Here's a quickie that's been helpful more than once:

You've got the big blind.  If you get your cards before you place the
blind bet out and your looking at two rags, declare "raise" and put
out two bets.  The dealer will throw back one and with any luck you'll
be checked around to.  Several times when I've done this everybody
folded, including the small blind.  :->


But my favorite deception play along these lines happened at $10-20.
I found myself sitting on runner-runner quad nines against a guy
who had flopped a set of J's (he had nut boat when the turn and river
came 9-9, and was only beat by quad nines.)

I had slowplayed the turn to set him up for the river, and he really
had no way to put me on quads.  After a few raises back and forth,
he was in the process of re-raising me and I pretended that I
thought he was only calling.  I started to turn my cards over,
showing only one nine, and said "I've got a nine..."  He assumed
that I had a 9-J or something, because he ended going at least two
more bets (one extra raise) than he should've (total of 8 bets).
To this day I'm convinced that my act fooled him... he really thought
I had only one nine.  (This story doesn't tell as well as it should;
circumstances were perfect for the play.)

Personally, I enjoy the "games people play" when "first they practice to
deceive".  In most cases, you can read the move and know what a bad 
player is up to, so obviously you take a chance by even trying.

- b (I fold, oops, I mean raise...) h


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: gordon@aero.org (Kenneth J. Gordon)
Subject: Re: Trip Report: New York City (not really a trip report)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:57:49 GMT

In article <2A6AFA38.19066@ics.uci.edu> mchen@ics.uci.edu (Morison) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.163318.6839@cmcl2.nyu.edu> galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) writes:
>>
>>There is one important difference, and that is that the state lotteries
>>odds are what the math would predict, but shell game operators commit
>>fraud and make winning almost impossible.  But state lotteries are, at
>>best, a regressive tax...
>>
>
>	And one can view it as a "donation" to public education system. :-)

The following is a description of California state accounting games
played with the state lottery.  I do not know where I heard it, so the
information is unreliable.

Someone told me that the money going to the public schools from the
lottery reduces the money which is allocated from the state budget by
the same amount.  That is to say, if the lottery gives $100 million to
the education budget, then the state allocates $100 million less than
it would have.  The lottery money effectively ends up going to the
state general funds.

I have no idea if this is accurate, but it seems worth checking out
from state to state.

- Ken Gordon
  gordon@aerospace.aero.org
From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Pai Gow
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:41:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <JACOBS.92Jul29111540@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.154205.21502@wam.umd.edu> cheese@wam.umd.edu (Fletch F. Fletch) writes:
>>
>> My parents went to AC this past weekend and are now fascinated with the game
>> Pai Gow.  They are interested in any information I can obtain for them.  If
>> anybody has any information handy, would you please either post or e-mail to
>> me.

>From the FAQ:
[FAQ info deleted]

Thanks for the FAQ info.  Actually, I've already shown them the FAQ, and they
were interested in any additional info that might be out there...statistics,
etc...

Jason
cheese@wam.umd.edu
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: 6/49 Analysis  Comment.
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:50:19 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <9207301312.AA28458@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Eric B Karabin <ekarabin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>You can yell at him all you want, but isn't he the intelligent one???
>	But then again, he is posting this to a newsgroup (where generally
>more intelligent people will have access to it) (ie. College students, 
>corporate associates, etc...).

He is also posting specious and profiteering material to
the net, which is being sent to the NSF in consideration of
revoking his site's connection privileges.

				--Blair
				  "I hope he enjoys cu(1) and uucp(1)."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: gryder@caddy.Data-IO.COM
Subject: Indian Reservation Casino 
Keywords: Craps, BJ
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:00:14 GMT

I went to the Tulaliup Indian reservation this Saturday and it is really true,
they have a casino just outside of Marysville, Wash with a couple of craps tables
and some blackjack tables as well. The odds seem to be the same as those in Vegas
on the craps table. Minimum bet is 5.00 and max bet is 25.00 . Be prepared to
spend a long time waiting in line to get on a table, they were all full.


--

					gerald

					gryder@data-io.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Does this group have an FAQ list?
In-reply-to: gopstein@helix.bms.com's message of 20 Jul 92 23:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:56:10

In article <1992Jul20.235134.18605@synapse.bms.com> gopstein@helix.bms.com (Rich Gopstein) writes:
>
> Before posting what are undoubtably FAQs, I would like to know if
> there is a FAQ list available.  I am primarily interested in Atlantic
> City blackjack, if that makes a difference.  Thanks.

It's in the mail.  Others interested in the FAQ can send requests
to jacobs@cs.utah.edu.  (Note for old-timers: no, I still haven't
updated the FAQ, but I don't really have much new input...)
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: 2 people & 1 bankroll
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:59 GMT

In article <19920730233904EGG9EJS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> eric@hup.ucla.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.200220.785@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>, on 31 Jul 92 01:02:20 GMT,
>jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>>
>>Picture this situation:
>>mine girlfriend and I and $500 dollars go to Las Vegas.
>>
>>We have taught ourselves the basic strategy and a simple
>>counting system (say Hi Opt 1).  We both will be playing
>>blackjack with the 1 bankroll of $500.  Doubling the number
>>of hands and hopefully the number of wins.
>>
>>Would it be bad to sit at the same table?  With the same
>>dealer...  It seems that all the hands wouldn't be as much
>>independant events as if one person played twice as many hands,
>>since the outcome of every 2 hands would be related to each other.
>> (...)
>Based on my own limited experience my partner and I seem to reduce
>the swings in our combined winnings when we play at the same table.

No, no, no.  The hands are correlated (because of the common dealer hand)
when played at the same table, raising the variance and the swings.

Consider the difference between playing 6 rounds of 1 spot at two different
tables versus 4 rounds of 2 spots at the same table (playing both spots),
downtown Vegas single deck.  These games have the same penetration.
Simulation data:

      SITUATION                  MEAN    VARIANCE
2 tables, 6 rounds of 1 spots    .046     11.24
1 table,  4 rounds of 2 spots    .045     14.87

As you can see, they have nearly the same win per round, but the variance
per round is higher when the hands are played at the same table.  If I
had computed the correlation coefficient, you'd see that the hands played
at different tables are uncorrelated (of course), while the hands played
at the same table have a positive correlation; if the dealer makes 21
with a 5 up, both your hands get screwed.  If you want to play at the same
table, you should reduce your bet size by 25-30% to compensate.

>The other possibilities of playing together (seperate counts, spreading
>to force better penetration, etc.) might add to the benefit as well.

This is true, but it is hard to make up for the 25-30% action you are
losing.  In most cases, the benefits will not outweigh this penalty.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Happiness is... making a big cover bet off the top of
NASA Ames Research Center\ a freshly shuffled deck and getting a blackjack,
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \ while the pit boss is watching.
From: mchen@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Morison)
Subject: horse racing info and even bets question
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:02:38 GMT

Hi all,
	I didn't find any horse racing info in the FAQ.  I am just curious
about the basic fundamental terminology of horse racing in general, for
example, exacta, etc.....  And how does one tell the odds from the payoff?
I often see the horse racing actions on local TV station, which they
display a list of horse racing, and on the list would be some dollar
amount, like $12.50, or something similar.

	I also have a question on even bets games.  Are we allowed to
place bets on both sides at the same time, with different amounts.
For example, 1 unit on black and 2 units on red in roulette, or
likewise, 1 unit on pass and 2 units on not pass.

	Thanks in advance....

Morison
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From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: $5000 Shopping Spree
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


In article <1992Jul23.000854.4178@athena.mit.edu> sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman) writes:
#What about "Puff the Magic Dragon"--a 20mm self-powered gatling gun with
#six chambers.  Must be six or eight inches in diameter and cylindrically
#shaped, weighing in at 40 pounds or more.  You pick it up, squeeze
#the trigger, and the chambers spin around unleasing shots until the belt
#runs out.  Is this PTMD or maybe a "GE Chain Gun."  Are these transferable?
#My dream vacation would be a trip to Arizona wastelands with one of these
#machine gatling cannons, 1000 watermelons, and a mile-long belt rolled up
#on a giant spool.  I'd set the watermelons down in a pattern around me,
#put on my ears, pick up the cannon, and Rock 'n Roll. . . .

I think that the DoD's designation for these things is "M61."

You'd better add a pintle mount, or tripod mount of some sort, to your
list.  I guarantee you that, with the 20mm's recoil, the first round
going off would rip the thing out of your hands.   

I know that multiple-barrel cannon are available in 7.62 and .50, and I
think, even 5.56.  The first two couldn't (realistically) be hand-fired,
but maybe the 5.56?  Me, I dunno; anyone out there know?

Other than that, I'd say you should take along FIVE thousand
watermelons, not just one thousand....


#And some would say there's no "sporting purpose" for a 20mm cannon.  Not so.

This is true.  It's just that most people can't think of what to do with
them, and therefore, they can't find the "sporting purposes."

--
David Winters  
dcwst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu OR winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu

          Illigitimi non carborundum.
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A few reloading questions
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:12:02 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

I figure I'm going to end up getting into reloading my own ammo before
too long.  I was wondering:

1. Can the same reloading tools be used to reload pistol, rifle and
   shotgun shells?
2. I realize that rifle and pistol gun powder are different, with the
   pistol powder burning faster and being inapropriate for rifle shell
   loading.  Where do shotgun shells fit in?  Do they require yet a
   third flavor of powder?
3. A small safety manual came with my 1953 Enfield and it said that
   only military surplus ammo should be used with it.  Is it at all
   possible to reload .303 British for the Enfield or is surplus the
   ONLY way to go?
4. Will reloading make my shooting habit so inexpensive that I spend all
   my free time at the range, inspiring my wife to leave me?

   Thanks,

   don

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From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mail order...
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:39:23 GMT
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

In article <9glm9ch.pauly@netcom.com> pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:

#
#Question: Am I insane for expected them to eat shipping charges above what
#I would have paid for UPS blue when they cleared screwed up?  It seems 
#they wouldn't be in business long with service like that.  

Answer: Nope. No Sir, I don't think you are insane at all.  A letter
is in order, not just a conversation with the guy that answers the
telephone.  I used to just get mad and either just get over it or
quit doing business with a company.  I finally got mad enough one
day to write a letter (to my cable TV company) and actually got some
satisfaction.  Denny's is a pretty good outfit (not as good as Midway,
but that's a different story) so don't just kiss them off.  Write a 
letter.  Tell that you are not happy with their service.  You might
just be surprised.

Alvin White
From: kindred@telesciences.com (David L Kindred (Dave))
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Anschutz Rifle Actions
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:29:27 GMT
Organization: Telesciences CO Systems, Inc.

In article <9207221524.AA22197@rd1.local> tavernin@rd1.InterLan.COM (Victor Tavernin) writes:

   Does anybody know what the differences are between the Anschutz 54 action
   (as used in the 1407, 1411, 1413, 1807, ... rifles) and their 64 action
   (which is used in the "tyro" competition rifles)

   Thanks,

   Victor Tavernini
   Racal-Datacom, Inc.
   tavernin@rd1.interlan.com

Without getting any literature out, and also without going home and
comparing the Anschutz rifles I have at home, I will attempt to
describe the differences:

1) The 54 is the "heavy" action, while the 64 is the "light" action.
   Hence, the 54 action is used in all of the larger, heavier rifles,
   while the 64 is used in the lighter rifles.

2) The 64 is available as both a single shot and a magazine fed rifle.
   I do not know of any version of the 54 that isn't a single shot.
   Therefore, the 64 action is the one used in the Biathalon and
   Sporter rifles.  (Weight is also a concern here, so #1 also
   applies).  Now that I re-read this I do believe that there are
   magazine fed Silhouette rifles with the 54 action...

3) The 64 action is the basis for the Exemplar pistol.

4) There are differences in the bolt/locking lug area, but I can't
   describe them from memory.

5) I haven't found anything that I don't like about either.

6) Although there are different triggers on different models of the
   rifles, I don't think that the trigger type is dependent on the
   action type, but rather on the cost and expected usage of a
   particular model.

I own one of each, and am pleased with both.
						- Dave
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From: dstine@cisco.com (David S.A. Stine)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hollowpoints illegal in N.J. ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:26:37 GMT
Organization: BitBashers, Ltd.

In article <58680@mimsy.umd.edu> pismobch@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Devinney) writes:
#In article <58667@mimsy.umd.edu> wa3wbu!john@uunet.UU.NET (John Gayman) writes:
##   I was reading the latest issue of Guns & Ammo and noticed an article
##written by a New Jersey resident stating that hollow point ammo was
##illegal for civilians to own  in N.J. and he was asking for defense load 
##recommendations. Is this true ?  I've never seen that law mentioned
##before. Anyway, the recommendation was to use a .45 Colt or .44 Special
##LSWC. 
#
#The law in NJ about hollowpoints is kind of weird.  You can buy them.  You
#can have them in your home or business.  You can shoot them at a range.
#
#Things get real funny in interpretation, though.  You cannot shoot someone
#with them, or be found to have fired on in an AD, without getting charged
#with possesion of illegal ammunition (also includes AP).  Much of the
#problem lies with local interpretation; generally you can own them, but
#you'd better be damned careful with them.

How utterly humorous. It was just 4 years ago that there was a flap when the
LAPD decided to run a trial using semi-jacket hollowpoints in service
sidearms. They claimed that it was a good idea, since overpenetration of FMJ
9's resulted in bystander injuries.

Having grown up in NJ, I find nothing that the bozos running that state do to
be beyond my level of disbelief.

dsa
From: holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. ALF in spe))
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Best defense: Machine gun or shotgun?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:26:56 GMT
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA

In <1992Jul20.154143.29684@btree.uucp> btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale) writes:
#The basic discussion started with the premise that you would only have
#*one* gun.  This is equivalent to putting all your eggs in one basket;
#it's much better to spread the risk and to have several tools that each
#perform a specific task fairly well rather than one tool which performs
#all tasks in a mediocre to poor fashion.

We had much of the same discussion some weeks ago in the aftermath of
the LA riots.  While it might be interesting from a theoretical and
purely technical point of view to have a whole arsenal of small arms 
at your disposal, it's utterly unpractical.

Just imagine yourself confronted by a gang of attacking thugs.  So you
reason:  "They're 50 m away, so I have to use the rifle.  Should I use
the 30-06 or the .308?  They're coming nearer, I'd better switch to
the shotgun.  Now where are the slugs?  Now they are 20 m away.  Goodie,
I can change to #4 buckshot.  What, still coming?  Go eat Uzi fodder,
scum! [cont ad nauseam vel exitus]"

I'm exaggerating, but the bottom line is that you are better off with
a by all standards "mediocre" weapon *and* good tactics and proficiency
with your weapon than by the biggest arsenal of "specific tools".
You can't be well trained with all of them and it's strategically
inopportune to rely on a complex selecion process in a stess situation.
It's just not practical.

-- 
| Holger Reusch                             |
| Technical University of Vienna, Austria <-+--- No kangaroos here,
| Dept. for Real-Time Systems               |    sorry!
| holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at                 |
From: rhoten@a.cs.okstate.edu (rhoten r p)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .308 pistol
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:12:06 GMT

Don't anyone miss the ad in the latest Handgunning
for a .308 bolt action pistol.  A target is shown
with a 10 shot, 9 inch group at 600 yards.  Wish I could
do that well consistently with my match rifle.

Oh yes, prices start at $1540.

r. p. rhoten
From: bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: $5000 Shopping Spree
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:30:47 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Jul22.182921.25978@iex.uucp> hancock@iex.iex.com (David Hancock) writes:
#In article <9207211127.AA12411@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
##Guns magazine is currently running a contest in which the grand prize
##is a $5000 firearms shopping spree.  I thought this would be an interesting
##subject here.
##
##If you had $5000 to spend on firearms and/or accessories, what would
##you buy?
##
##Rob
#
#	SIG P210 (whichever "dash" has the adj. sights).

	P210-5 or P-210-6. Yeah, a 9mm P210-6 with .30 Luger and .22lr
        conversion would account for about half the $5000 for me too.
	Anyone know if the stuff has to be bought new or from a shop?
        (obviously better deals could be had on used stuff at shows,
	 especially the P210-6).

	Additionally:

	FN/FNC  ($800)
	Rem. Classic .220 Swift ($430)
	Colt HBAR Match ($850-$900)
	Baby Browning ($225)
	M1 Carbine
	Beater ($79) SKS
	
	-OR-

	Whatever neat I ran across next.
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