HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Need comments on the Pioneer CLD 990.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:32:18 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.192056.11961@news.columbia.edu> fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm currently looking for a low end LD player, and one of the stores
>around here has the Pioneer CLD 990 on sale for $299. Is this a good
>price?

It's less than I paid, but I bought it while the unit was still current.

I've had mine for several months, and had no problems with it on the
video side. On the audio side, I noticed a problem with distorted audio
output (a clicking sound which is impossible to describe in ASCII text)
which appeared briefly but hasn't reappeared since. You're unlikely to
find anything else in that price range except a refurbished 'B' unit.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:04:13 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Holiday Specials on LD

    Has anyone seen a listing of Holiday Specials on LD for this year yet? I
don't think Sight and Sound has sent a list out, but I could be wrong. Any info
 of other companies such as CH, or LD fan club are welcome as well.

                                     -Ed

=========================================================================
             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
"Between the worlds of men and makebelieve I can be found." -D. Fogelberg
=========================================================================
Xref: sparky rec.video:11879 rec.video.releases:3016 pdx.movies:74
From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.releases,pdx.movies
Subject: Laserdisc rental stores in Portland area
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:13:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: tvnews.1992Oct1.071323.28565
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
To: david@agora.rain.com

[Last modified 9-Sep-92]

Please e-mail additions/corrections to me.  All stores charge $3 for a
two day rental.  Data supplied by stores, may not be accurate.


Store			Phone		Address				 Titles

Captain Video		635-7100	3970 SW Mercantile Dr, Lake Os.	   2000
Captain Video II	671-9329	14767 SW Teal Blvd, Beaverton	    500
First Stop Video	232-0164	3720 SE Hawthorne Blvd		     50
First Stop Video	244-8393	9045 SW Barbur Blvd.	 by reservation
First Stop Video	629-5191	2341 NW 185th, Hillsboro	    200
First Stop Video	656-7447	19129 S Beavercreek Rd, Or. City    200
Home Video Library	760-6488	16544 SE Division		    500
Neptune Video		591-9898	16300 SW Hart Rd, Beaverton	    200
Progressive Laser Video	635-4900	333 S State, Suite U, Lake Os.	    450
Royal Video		234-7523	8237 SE 17th			    600
Top Hit Video		635-1502	15630 SW Boones Fy, Lake Oswego	    200
Trilogy			229-1884	2484 NW Thurman			    200

-- 
Bill McFadden    Tektronix, Inc.  P.O. Box 500  MS 58-639  Beaverton, OR  97077
bill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill      Phone: (503) 627-6920
How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?
Xref: sparky rec.video:11887 sci.electronics:16438
From: rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.video,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Cable "silver bullets"
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:14:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: aupair.rwa.717966842
Followup-To: rec.video

sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:
>off to cable" and they want BLOOD! I say [bleep!] em! I'd rather never watch TV
>again than spend one penny keeping those slimeballs alive.

It's an option.  It's a *real* option.  I haven't owned a TV in my
life (I'm 37 years old) nor have I watched one (apart from the
inevitable inadvertant bar-TVs or the odd VCR'd movie at a friends
place) since 1977.  Entire series have come and gone in this time, and
I am unable to make smalltalk with my co-workers anymore.  I am a
social pariah, and I don't know what brand of laundry soap to
purchase.  On the other hand, it's added 4 hours a day to my life.  A
small price to pay, indeed.  Just say NO to TV, folks.  Take back the
night!

regards,
Ross VE6PDQ
--
Ross Alexander  rwa@cs.athabascau.ca  (403) 675 6311  ve6pdq@ve6mgs.ampr.org
From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: 16x9 aspect ratio TV in US?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:53:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1859@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew
Klossner) wrote:
> 
> A local dealer tells me that her will be offering a 16x9 aspect ratio
> television later this year.  The manufacturer is Thompson.  Presumably
> it's NTSC-US.

It will probably be in the $4000-$5000 range and first come out under the
ProScan label and later RCA, both of which are manufactured by Thomson.  It
will use various digital enhancement techniques to blow a widescreen
picture up to the width of the 16x9 tube (though you'll still probably get
some black bars above and below the actual picture since most movies are
shot above the 1.8 aspect ratio of 16x9 tubes).  You'll also be able to
blow the picture up to fill the entire tube, losing some material at the
edges.  Thomson wanted to leave the aspect ratio of the picture "under the
user's control".  Why this is fine & dandy from a marketing point of view,
it will probably leave some theatrical movie directors in a snit.  Thomson
also promises that these TVs are 'HDTV' ready and will accept an external
device compatible with whatever HDTV decoding process the FCC finally
approves.  There is some doubt that this is feasible. Hey, but if you can
get it in writing...

It's really hard to say what these will look like until they arrive. 
Judging from the new ProScan IDTVs that have just come out, they've done a
nice job of bringing IDTV to the masses, but the slight 'digititis' of the
images may leave some people running back to their conventional Sonys.

name: Pete Helme
work: Apple Computer, Inc.
mail: pvh@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Subject: Re: Beauty & The Beast
Reply-To: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:15:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.223522.8632@macc.wisc.edu> bunner@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Dana A. Bunner) writes:
>I heard that Disney was releasing Beauty and the Beast on videotape on
>October 30th.  Does anyone know if a simultaneous release on LD is 
>in the works?

Sorry, but the answer is no. The 'Work in Progress' LD is supposed to
be available in November or December (I think) and this may be the
only letterboxed version of B&tB Disney's going to release. The LD may
come out late next year. Check out rec.video.releases. Plenty of
discussion and info there.

BTW, is the 'work in progress' LD available for pre-order anywhere? I
asked the local Sam Goody's and they had no idea what I was talking
about.


   ---> farul ghazali.
        columbia university, new york.
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From: mpe@shamash.cdc.com ()
Newsgroups: rec.video,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Cable "silver bullets"
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:24:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video

Please re-name this thread. 
 
The original topic was a discussion about how the silver bullet worked
and how it could be defeated.  What it has become, through the last 
10e6 postings, is a series of "I've got nothing better to say about
a technical issue so I'll just bitch about the cost structure" messages.
 
Those of you which fit into this type of message profile, please pick
one of the following subject heading and move your thread!!!!!
 
Possible subject headings might include:
   Cable TV - a discussion of cost structure
   The high costs of Cable TV
   Cable TV - My favorite bitches
   Cable TV - What we can do to control costs
   Fight back to control Cable TV's high costs
   Cable TV -vs- Satellite Earth Station cost tradeoffs
   Cable TV - cost, cost, cost
   Cable TV - bitch, bitch, bitch

Please use meaningful subject headings.  Flames about idiots not being able
to track a news-thread after a renaming has occured will be useless wastes
of bandwidth.

Just one person's opinion...
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From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: rec.video,alt.3d
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:14:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: Chorus systemes, St Quentin en Yvelines, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai) writes:
: In article <1992Sep25.003831.17660@javelin.sim.es.com> gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
: >|> 50 frames per second?  How about 60?  Easier on the eyes.
: >   For smooth motion perception, human vision gets along nicely with 24
: >   frames per second.  I offer as evidence, the last 35mm motion picture
: >   you saw at a movie theater.  For flicker-free viewing, human vision
: 
: 24 fps isn't really adequate, and has problems in areas of very rapid
: motion.  If motion blur is not used, a frame rate on the order of 1000 Hz
: is necessary to avoid motion artifacts.  If motion blur is used, a frame
: rate of around 80 Hz is necessary.  

I think that the 60Hz (50Hz here in Europe) frame rate
is quite enough for smooth motion perception, at the
condition that the image is really scanned 60/50 times
a second. This is the case in television, but not in
films, hence those artifacts (stagecoach wheels spinning
backwards, etc).

[A good example that 24 fps is not really sufficient for
films is in scences where a hero is filmed on the opposite
side of a street and cars are passing between him and the
camera. Those cars appear doubled and their movement is
discontinuous.]

This has been demoed to me by a guy from Sogitec
(a French leading producer of airplane simulators),
through simulated air combat sequences.
They compared a sequence synthesized at 25 images
per second (displayed interlaced so that 2 successive
frames were identical), with a sequence synthesized
at 50 images per second (still displayed interlaced,
but this time 2 successive frames taken from two successive
images).  The 50 ips sequence offered smooth motion
perception, whereas on the 25Hz sequence planes seemed
to jump between locations, just like in films.

Of course, to achieve a flicker-free image, the
50 Hz frame rate is insufficient. Using SVGA cards
with variable frame rate on a multisync monitor,
I recently determined that only 70Hz eliminates
the flicker perception in my eyes.

: 
: >   requires AT LEAST 45 flashes per second.  That is one reason NTSC
: >   displays only 30 frames/second by painting 60 interlaced fields/second.
: 
: The display rate for flicker-free viewing in general depends on the
: brightness and size (relative to viewing distance) of the display.

It also depends on the point of the eye that receives
the image. If you look at a television image out of the
corner of your eye, you will notice a much stronger flicker
than by direct viewing.

-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chung jason ho yong)
Subject: Re: Remastered Godfather I/II/III
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:08:54 GMT

dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) writes:

>In article <BvDI4E.L5H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chung jason ho yong) writes:
>>From what I have heard, they will be on 12 sides plus the same documentary
>>that was included on the original Godfather set.
>Where did you hear this?

>>I assume the first two movies will be remastered and it will be sold in a 
>>leatherbound case for $180.

>Did they say anything about offering the movies separately?
>Godfather III was probably the worst and certainly the most
>disappointing major movie I've seen in the last 10 years.

One more thing I'd like to add, the retail price is $200 but most people
will probably buy Mail order and get a 10% discount, I hope.

Also, this should really be on the rec.video.releases, but I think Godfather
III was unfairly maligned.  Sure, it's not as "great" as I & II, but it's
still an excellent movie.  The only real disappointment was Sophia Coppola.
Winona Ryder or Laura San Giancomo would have made it better.  Along w/
Robert Duvall of course.

The important thing to me was that I was thrust back into the world of
Micahael Corleone.  It had a brilliant King Lear theme and I thought it was
Pacino's finest acting since Dog Day Afternoon.  The confessional scene,
and the opera stairs scenes IMO, are truly some of the most powerful scenes
I have ever saw.

Just my two cents and forgive my grammar.

Jason




>Doug
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: 16x9 aspect ratio TV in US?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <pvh-290992113844@kip2-8.apple.com>, pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme) writes:
|> In article <1859@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew
|> Klossner) wrote:
|> > 
|> > A local dealer tells me that her will be offering a 16x9 aspect ratio
|> > television later this year.  The manufacturer is Thompson.  Presumably
|> > it's NTSC-US.
|> 
|> It will probably be in the $4000-$5000 range and first come out under the
|> ProScan label and later RCA, ....

At that price it better be large not 9" x 16"
otherwise get a 52" rear-projection for less
From: jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Wanted: Doctor Doctor
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:51:44 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Wanted:  Any and all episodes of the tv program Doctor Doctor.  I'll pay 
for tapes and dubbing time to anyone who can help me complete my (very 
incomplete) collection.

jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu

"A thing worth having is a thing worth cheating for." - W.C. Fields
From: LANDRYJ@hsdwl.utc.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: PAL
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:50:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


 DOES ANYONE ON THE NET KNOW WHERE I CAN DUB A PAL RECORDED TAPE TO THE NTSC
FORMAT? I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE. (I DO NOT WANT TO SPEND
$50.00/hr FOR DUBBING IF I DON'T HAVE TO!)

 I AM JUST GETTING INTO DOING POST PRODUCTION EDITING AND DUBBING OF HOME VIDEOS
USING MODERATELY PRICED COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT. IF THERE IS ANYONE ON THE NET WHO
HAS HAD SOME EXPERIENCE DOING THIS,(TITLE INSERTING,MULTIPLE CAMERA EDITING,
COLOR CORRECTION,ETC.),I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU!
 SOME QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE:
        1) HOW LONG SHOULD A VIDEO FADE LAST?
        2) HOW LONG SHOULD A TITLE, (I.E. TITLE OF THE VIDEO, CREDITS, END
           TITLE,ETC.),REMAIN ON THE SCREEN?
        3) WHAT IS THE TYPICAL LENGTH OF A VIDEO FADE? AN AUDIO FADE?
        4) IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PANASONIC'S 'SYNCHRO-EDIT' JACK
           AND SONY'S 'LANC' JACK?

 ANY INPUT TO THESE QUESTIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

                                              'JAKE"
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Stupid Question Time
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <BvEAuC.Cs9@news.larc.nasa.gov> bknouff@voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Brian J. Knouff) writes:
<What's Macrovision?

Copy protection for video tapes.  See previous postings regarding this scheme.
-- 
      harvard\                          spool.cs.wisc.edu!astroatc!vidiot!brown
Vidiot  ucbvax!uwvax..........!astroatc!vidiot!brown
      rutgers/            INTERNET:vidiot!brown%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edu
                                   brown@wi.extrel.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: u67 vs r5 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:23:57 GMT

fmaster@bach.udel.edu (Fred A Masterson) writes:
>I am trying to decide between a u67 mitsubishi s-vhs deck and the Sony
>SLV-R5 deck.  The best prices I have located are $699 at Power Video for
>the u67 and $750 at Camera World of Oregon for the R5.  So they aren't
>too far apart in price.

Interestingly, in Vancouver, BC, Canada here, in stores, U67 is Can$799,
and R5 is $1199 canadian, U65 is $728, and of course bargaining will make
it go down more, I got 5% off on the U65, but I didn't get it, since I
have better channel getting them.
So you see Mit. is not a big brand here, but the Sony is.

>They both have manual audio recording level controls (so you can defeat
>the automatic level control circuit) - a feature I definitely want.

Yes, AGC audio is not good for HI-FI recording, so manual is also the
feature I look for, surprisingly more HI-FI machines cut it out now. My
old Panasonic HI-FI 4 Head for seven years has it!

>I'm not sure I'll ever use any editing features.  I'll mainly use the deck
>I decide to purchase to 1) tape TV programs and laser disks, and 2) to
>play rented vhs movies.  So my major considerations would be audio and
>video quality with both vhs and s-vhs record & playback.

Same here again, well at least similar (I don't have a LV yet, but may be
later). So what did you find out? which brand has better feature and quality?

>Construction quality and reliability are important, too.

That reliability I am not too sure about Mit., since I have heard many
of my friends having problems with their Mit., but according to Consumer
Report, across the whole line, Panasonic and the like have 8% to 10% repair
rate, but Mit. has 18%, and Fisher worst, and Hitachi next worst, data
are old, but they say usually pretty consistent.

>Thanks to any and all who kindly take the time and effort to share their
>experiences and expertise with me!  

Welcome, I need more info myself too, others please help: should I buy
Mit? JVC? Panasonic? Sony (too expensive here)? I don't particularly like
RCA, also Hitachi has low reliability record.

>   Fred (Fred Masterson)
>   University of Delaware
>   fmaster@ravel.udel.edu

thanks,
David Tse

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: RSIMISTE@130.187.170.178 (ROGER SIMISTER)
Subject: Re: Colour shift when dubbing from 8mm to VHS
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:55:26 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <BvEvt6.H9L@comp.vuw.ac.nz> brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz writes:

> 
> Here's the problem:
> 
> I make recordings with a Sony 8mm camcorder. Playback from the camcorder to a
> monitor is fine. But if I copy from the camcorder onto a VHS tape, and play that
> back, the colours have shifted, so that all the blue areas are displaced a few
> lines downwards and a similar distance to the left.
> 
Welcome to the wonderful world of VHS. This is a format that uses
a cheap trick called "Color Under". That is, in the recording process the
hi frequency color component (3.58 Mhz) is hterodyned down to a lower
recordable frequency of around 688 khz and is separated from the
luminance component.

So you have your original video signal split taking
two separate paths through your VCR So right away you have the possibility
of the two not coming exactly back together again on playback. And, 
unfortunatelly this situation gets worst on each dub.

This happens even using S-VHS to S-VHS dubs, or Vhs to 8mm. Some say that
8mm degrades quicker than VHS on dubs, that I have not proven. The high
end "PRO" decks have special circuits that minimize the color separation,
but it's still there. 

In other words you have to live with what you've got.

Roger Simister
From: pcolmer@acorn.co.uk (Philip Colmer)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: 8mm tapes for sale
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:17:10 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

I have the following 8mm video tapes for sale, if someone would like
to make me an offer. I would prefer to sell the whole lot in one go.
Also included are two Stak-It tape racks.

--Philip

Lionel Ritchie: All Night Long
Ultravox: The Collection
Elton John: Live in Australia
Phil Collins: Live at Perkins Palace
Peter Gabriel: CV
Genesis: Volume 1
Return of the Jedi
The Empire Strikes Back
Sony Metropolitan, editions 1 to 5

Sony P6-120MP: 5
Sony P5-90HG: 3
Sony P5-90MP: 10
Sony P5-60MP: 3
TDK E-HG90: 1
TDK HS90: 3
Maxell P5-90MP: 4

Allsop System 3 tape cleaner
Sony cleaning cassette

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chung jason ho yong)
Subject: Re: Extended play of Paramount's Disc on D701
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:37:49 GMT

dyang@mynah.bellcore.com (Danny Yang) writes:

>All the discs I have from Paramount (Godfather I,II,III,
>Beverly Hills Cop I,II, War and Peace) indicate
>Extended play on the carton. But my Pioneer 701 can't
>recogize any chapter information from them.
>Is this a problem of my player? or a problem of D701?
>Can any other player recognize chapter information form
>the above discs? or any other disc from Paramount?


>-- 
>Kun-Min Yang
>Bellcore, MRE2A260
>(908)829-4417
 
 Your player has nothing to do with it.  Some movie companies spend the extra
 bucks to have their movies chapter or even TOC encoded, others don't.  
 Paramount is getting better though.  Their new releases like INDIANA JONES
 and Raiders of the Lost Ark have chapters.  Their new GODFATHER special 
 edition will have it too.

 Later, 
 Jason

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bknouff@voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Brian J. Knouff)
Subject: Re: Mail order place for Pioneer's CLD-D701
Reply-To: bknouff@voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Brian J. Knouff)
Organization: yyy
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:40:54 GMT

In article <97122@bu.edu>, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
> Currently, 6th Ave Electronics has the best deal, and since they
> are an `authorized' Pioneer dealer, I figure they probably will
> have better customer service.

Be careful with these mail order companies.  Many times they sell
refurbished equipment as new.  Ask them if the manufacturer's warranty
is good on their products.  I don't believe 6th Ave warranties are
from the manufacturers.  If not, they are not 'authorized' dealers.

later
From: sun@bcars6a2.bnrottawa (Frank Kannemann)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony MDP-333 drawer opening problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: frankk@Canada.sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

I have the same problem with my MDP-333...Any solutions let me know as well....

TIA

Frank
---
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                           955 Green Valley Cres
                           Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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This posting represents neither Sun Microsystems or BNR.