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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:08:56 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject: Colorized Gilgamesh? Evil!

Say it ain't so!  You mean those evil capitalists are going to defile
and mutilate the wonders of Gilgamesh, which of course all of us
know in the original?  I can't believe the nerve.  You mean they are going
to translate it to color film?  Why, I'll bet those lowdown SOBs aren't
even using the original text!

I just can't believe they aren't going to treat it with the respect we
accord works of art: to leave them peacefully buried.  They are going
to dig up its grave and try to resuscitate it, eh?  Where will it stop?
Next thing you know, they'll be making MOVIE versions of _The Grapes
of Wrath_, Kafka's _The Trial_, _Macbeth_, of Buchan's _The Thirty-Nine
Steps_, of Cortazar's _Blow-Up_ . . . maybe even of the Bible!
They'll be making MOVIE versions of _Maltese Falcon_, of "Heart of Dark-
ness", of _French Lieutenant's Woman_, _Catch-22_, and _A Clockwork Orange_,
of _Sophie's Choice_ and _The Big Sleep_ and _Double Indemnity_.
How long are we going to allow this to persist?  Is nothing sacred?  Will we
stand by and allow our tradition, our classics to be vulgarly "popularized"
in the name of *accessibility* for the masses?  I say let them read
I say harumph *read* _Howard's End_.  What, the book is too hard?  Too long?
Too . . . black & white for this color world?  So we have to punch it up
by making it visual and aural?  Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  [in Grumpy Old Man voice]
I say the kids of today
should read Beowulf and the Icelandic sagas IN THE ORIGINAL, with no
modernized orthography.  See if they have time for drive-by shootings *then*.
None of this colorization business to make it easier:  let them learn Aramaic
and Hebrew, Latin and Greek!  This degeneration has gone on too long.  Even
Keats was reading Homer as translated by Chapman.  Wimp.  Why couldn't he
go back to the b&w original?  And what's all this I hear about _Last of
the Mohicans_?  Why in *my* day we had to *read* it!  None of this color-
izing the past for us, turning literature into moving-picture comic books.
I say we make it ILLEGAL to offer altered versions of the past.  Burn all
translations of the Bible, leave control of its meaning in the hands of a
few high priests.  THAT's the way to progress.

All film scripts should be entirely new.  No more mutilation of novels
or short stories or plays or operas.  That's the ticket.  We'll teach these
young whippersnappers they have NO BUSINESS trying to make the past relevant.
_______________________
For the irony impaired:  the preceding has been a tongue-in-cheek
commentary on the sacrosanct concept of art as necessarily suffering in
translation.

______________________________________
|  Rick Francis  C47805NF@WUVMD      |
|  Dep't of Comparative Literature,  |
|  Box 1107                          |
|  Washington University             |
|  St. Louis, MO  63130              |
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:06:50 EDT
From:         "Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext. 3005"
              <THOMPSON_O@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Name of the Rose

I too, enjoyed NAME OF THE ROSE; which was discovered on a cold winter day,
when there wasn't anything on television.  It is part of my collection of
favorite movies.  Whenever it comes on television, I always try to catch it.

Orlanda
Internet:  thompson_o@rso.dnet.ge.com

P.S.  Famous faces:  Ron Perlman, Christopher Slater....
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:53:19 -0500
From:         huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Trivia

>Speaking of Hallmark Hall of Fame, has anyone else seen The Secret Garden?
>This is the most wonderful story. I went to New York City and saw the
>Broadway Version. I highly recommend seeing this production. The sets,
>actors and music are wonderful. It has won 3 tony awards and is bound to hang
>around for quite some time. Anyone else see it?

I had read that the production of _Secret Garden_ was closing within
6 months, but have forgotten the details why...

I was in NY this June and saw _Death and the Maiden_, and was intrigued by
_Garden_.  Whats it about?

--
-scott
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Subject:      Re: The Party

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     28-Sep-1992 10:42am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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John:

Regarding The Party.  I watched it with a totally different eye.  I never felt
like I was laughing at Sellers' character.  I thought he was one of the very
few warm and likable characters in the movie, everyone seemed pretentious,
pompous, trite, and pretty much full of themselves, so when the toilet
overflows while Sellers' is trying to figure out what to do about the bidet and
the oil painting falls in, I was happy to see it go - and the hosts deserved
it. I didn't think, what a dolt, doesn't he know what the bidet is for?   I saw
it more as a send up of Hollywood, the nuveau (Michel, help me with the
spelling here!) riche, etc. and not as making fun of an ordinary guy (with whom
I identified by the way), which would really be cruel.

Ellen
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:26:05 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: GOOD [bad] MOVIES

>However, for truer, fuller and deeper vision of the relation between the two
>cultures/races involved--which I think has a genuine sense of acknowledgement
>and regret for the blunt fact that they can never quite meet--I recommend
>Bruce Beresford's BLACK ROBE.  A great film, achieving much more at half the
>length.

Here's another vote for BLACK ROBE (rich, strange, and ambivalent)
over DANCES WITH CAMERA (pious, simplistic left-think). ROBE was as
refreshing un-PC as DANCES was groovy and up-to-date. Heaven knows
we need more of that sort of thing. DANCES was a Loony-Toon --
Noble Savages vs. the Kavalry Klowns. ROBE was too smart to paint
the good guys red and the bad guys white.

And there's the matter of economy of means. ROBE knows what is
essential to its purpose, and pares away the rest. Costner & Co.
spew their seed all over the landscape. No contest.

A FOUR-hour version of DANCES WITH ONAN?? Bleccccch. No thanks.

kjf-
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:12:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Danny Elfman

>An interesting note on Danny Elfman.  He can't read or write a note of music.
>He writes strictly by ear.  And I agree he is very talented, but he has to get
>a little more diverse in his style of music to be considered on of the greats.
                           ______

Gary -

        While I like Elfman very much, I must agree that some of his
work is getting repetitive.  I didn't care much for his work in DICK TRACY.
I think the same could be said for John Williams, but couldn't you just about
define "style" as having a similar sound?

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:35:56 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Good [BAD] Movies

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
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    I totally agree with Liam about SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.
    I had the opportunity to watch it again on cable this summer. After
    nearly 18 months since I first saw it, I still enjoyed Anthony Hopkins'
    performance. It is a good thriller. But all the major Oscars? Give me a
    break!
    MICHEL
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                                        Date:     05-Oct-1992 01:51pm DST
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Me too!

Ellen
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:38:21 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Hoffa

REPLY TO 10/06/92 04:59 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Best line I've heard recently in a movie.

Speaking of the teamsters, organized labor, etc., I saw yesterday a
trailer for HOFFA, a movie coming out in December about Jimmy Hoffa
and starring Jack Nicholson.  I think Danny DeVito may be the
director.  The clips made it look wonderful.  Nicholson has done a
Robert DeNiro-type transformation, gaining weight to look the part,
and something about the make-up really makes him the embodiment of
Hoffa.  Jennifer Porro

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:52:18 EST
From:         "Katherine" <KRYNER@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      A new John Sayles movie

I know there are some John Sayles fans out there, so I thought I'd pass
on some news.  His new movie PASSION FISH was just shown at the Toronto
Film Festival.  I read about this in Variety, which gave it a so-so
review.  It's set in Louisianna and stars Mary McDonnell and Alfre Woodard, as
(respectively) a paralyzed former soap-opera star and her caretaker.
(David Strathairn is in it too, of course!).  Coming at some point to a
theater near or far from you...
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:39:53 BST
From:         "(John Smyth)" <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Irish Music/Five Heartbeats

Ellen,
The history of Irish music is covered
in a T.V. series called "Bringing it all
back home". This series is available on video,
(I don't know about U.S. availability) and there
is a double C.D. soundtrack. If you're a Bob Dylan/
Woodie Guthrie fan, you'll really like the series.

And now for something completely different. I saw
"The Five Heartbeats" recently (recommended by
someone on this list) and it was very enjoyable
indeed. The script was a bit thin and predictable
but the music and singing was great. The songs
seemed to have performed by the 'Heartbeats'
but I could have sworn one of the voices
featured in the movie was that of Stevie Wonder.
I have the same questions that were asked about
the Commitments - namely, did the actors sing
the songs we heard; were any of the songs
written for the movie or were they 'old'
hits. If they were 'old'songs, who performed
the originals ?

                Thanks in advance
                            John
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: The Last Of The Mohicans
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:24:44 GMT


	I hope I write the title right.  Anyways, I saw the movie 
yesterday.  The movie caught my attention from the first minute to the 
last.  FANTASTIC!!!  The soundtrack, the actors, and most of all, the 
pictures.  Breath-taking!!  I'll see the movie in the Academy Awards in 
1993.  One thing bothered me, the french spoken in the movie is hardly 
understandable.  I'm french (from Canada) and I had to read the english 
translation because I cound't understand what they were saying in french.  
But, I LOVED the movie.  I'll go see it again.  And I recommend it!!

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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:49:02 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: GOOD [bad] MOVIES

Dick (DC,SJ),
I'd admit your point that BLACK ROBE does not show the full concerns of the
missionaries well--material improvement as well as conversion--but this didn't
make me feel they'd been cast in a merely negative light.  My own biases re
western culture and native culture would, if anything, cause me to latch onto
such a view in this film if I felt I could see it.  But I couldn't. I think
the film at least suggested a sense of sacrifice and bravery on the part of
the missionaries to pursue their purpose in such perious terrain and times,
and I don't think Catholicism was mocked ("affirmed" is something I'd have
to think about some more...)--not in general, even though the missionary
hero (forget his name) may have had personal traits that seem to trigger our
politically correct censure. I may have to see the film again to be more
specific about points supporting this feeling.  But I rather felt that
Terrence Rafferty's review (him, the maligned critic of Woody Allen's latest)
in The New Yorker captured the film's sense in a nutshell when he observed
that the film's photographing of the scenery was so piercingly beautiful as
to suggest alternative religious views--that the world is everything there is,
or that it is but an illusion and gateway to the real.

And now I gotta go...

(But brief P.S. for those who may be bugged by the way I've been responding--
i.e., without quoting relevant bits from the comments I'm answering: it's be-
cause no one in our blessed info technology office has been able to tell me an
*easy* way to do that chore in our network system.  Maybe sometime sooner
rather than later.  I'll take another crack at getting my low-computer-
tolerance questions answered next week....)  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:26:59 CDT
From:         "Toilet Paper Ted (McCoy,Ted A)" <MCCOY@GRIN1.BITNET>
Subject:      movie music

I'm not a big fan of Angelo Badalamenti.  Some of it is just personal taste --
I found parts of Twin Peaks rather haunting, but overall I thought the music
was far too repetitive and not terribly memorable.  For a bad Badalamenti
score, listen to A Nightmare on Elm Street III:  The Dream Warriors.  The
movie relies heavily on music from the first film, mostly because
the music Badalamenti wrote generally isn't terribly compelling.

For haunting and compelling music, there's a composer named Christopher Young
who ranks right up there with the best of them.  This is especially
impressive because he usually only writes music for horrible movies.  He
scored the first two Hellraiser films as well as The Fly II, A Nightmare on
Elm Street II, Torment, the remake of Invaders from Mars, and, most recently,
The Vagrant.  He's done non-horror films too, like Def Con IV, Avenging Angel,
Highpoint, and Barbarian Queen, but most of these movies are of the same low
quality.  Despite this, he consistantly composes superb music that far
surpasses the films in quality.  Most recently he scored the music for Rapid
Fire, the movie starring Bruce Lee's son.  His music is almost always
orchestral, but he finds unique and innovative ways to use this music in
unusual ways, especially the percussion.  His best scores, like the
Hellraiser scores, combine frightening percussive arrangements with eerie
melodies.  Okay, I've babbled on for too long already, so let me just ask,
has anybody else ever heard of this man or his music?

Ted
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:56:05 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Movie music?

Whoops, Scott, on similarities between parts of Elfman's BATMAN and Depar-
dieu's CYRANO: I haven't seen (and heard) the latter, so I don't have a
sense of what you're talking about.  Or whether you're making a positive
or negative allusion here.  I can only say at the moment that inspiration
(without ironic quotes) ain't disreputable, and coincidence ain't out of
the question.  I'll try to dig up CYRANO at the video store.  Jeff Clark
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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Colorization, a seeming justification, unless you look closer

MKERBEL suggests (with tongue in cheek) that he's going down to Washington
to ask The Library of Congress to screen KING KONG for him; actually it would
take a great deal of effort on his part to get them to consider this since
they do sort of look on the films as artifacts - However, they do screen a lot
of great and often rare films all the time in their theater and the screenings
are open to the public and they're free call (202) 707-5840 for more information
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:35:48 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Movie music

>HI ::-)
>
>I've been reading this discussion about music in movies. I find it very
>interesting, that everyone was talking (sorry, writing) about such slimey
>pop songs, like 'Whenewer I die, I die it for you', or what the hell by
>Brian I_dont't_know_who in Robin Hood the Prince of A**holes.
>
>Don't any of you think, that the term 'music' should describe something
>like the score of The Chariots of Fire, by Vangelis Papathanossiou, or
>the score of Witness by Maurice Jarre? Anyone can put popsongs in any movie,
>and it may be OK for a given scene, but the music all through the movie is
>something else. (Like how would you like a rap theme all through the Taxi
>Driver, for instace?)
>
>For cult movies, it's off course different. It's very obvius, that the movie
>Easy Rider wouldn't be the same without Steppenwolf's Born to be Wild, for
>example. But making a movie the way, that something happenes, than you hear
>a popsong, than samething happenes again, than you hear another song and so
>on does not make any sense. (I mean as a movie it doesn't make sense, but
>when you're a fan of the music you hear all the way, then it's fun to watch
>it just for the music. But then again, you are NOT watching a movie, you are
>listening to music with some pictures between and during the songs.)
>
>On the other hand, if the these songs have lyrics, and they are good, and they
>fit the movie (e.g. they are written for the particular scene) then I admit,
>the scene wouldn't be the same (hopefully it would be worse). This is the case
>in Apocalypse now, in the end, where The End by Doors is played, though it
>wasn't written for the movie, off course. But in the case of Top Gun or Robin
>Hood, the songs are very far from the movie or scene itself, it feels like
>they were just put in so that there is no silence during the film.
>
>Musicals are a whole different story, off course. Anyway, I usually do not
>like them, so I don't write about them. (I very appriciate HAIR, for example,
>but nothing else is my taste here.. ::-) )
>
>
>Akos Maroy                    jzk2115 at huszeg11
>
An opinion is like a thie*, everybody's got one.

It's ok.  I don't understand either.

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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From:         "(Ens Alexander W Ellermann)" <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Dead & Mann

1.  Michael Mann directed Manhunter.

2.  Take another look at Dead Again.  I think you'll see it's
sleek, funny and more sophisticated than it seems at first.
Cinematographically (is that a word), it takes some refreshing
chances, and the score is stylish without being overbearing.
This is one movie that gets better every time - in fact,
I think I'll see it again tonight.
                                      Alex
Johnnie:  "I can't wait to see what happens next!"
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