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From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: IT Africa 92 in Harare
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:08:22 GMT

For those of you who did not see it, the November issue of AFRICAN
REVIEW has an interesting, detailed article on AFRICA 92 in
Harare, which opened by saying "the emphasis was on helping users
with solutions, support and services rather than on showing off
with hi-tech dazzle.  Software for commerce, industry and
government was among the main things, with Zimbabwe proving
that it has built up an enormous range of products and services
able to supply almost every need."  There were 2,000 visitors
and "exhibitors were pleased."  A number of computer vendors are
discussed specifically in the article, and comments are made
about the talk on document imaging and workflow.

If anyone needs a copy of this article, please let me know.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: matunda@csd.uwo.ca (Matunda Nyanchama)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: What's going on in Kenya
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:32:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London

In article <1993Jan6.124008.6712@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:

....

>
>Who is Hancox? When was he appointed? Why was Cecil Miller replaced
>(serious	answers only please)? Is Hancox a Kenyan (Miller was
>from somewhere in the W.Indies wasn't he?)
>
>But thanks again, Peter
>
>Richard Pennell, History NUS

Hancox is a British expartriate judge in the Kenyan High 
court. There has been arrangeemnt since Kenya's independence 
to have British aid for the High court which translates to 
nominating and paying for judges the UK. 

As for Milller you are right that he came from the West Indies
but unfortunately, he passed away a while back.

Matunda Nyanchama

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From: mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interview: Joseph Shabalala and the journey of dreams.
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:36:15 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
> : > Now, I think I'm confused. Sometime last year, I read an article, probably
> : > here that Jospeh Shabalala was shot dead by a cop in J'berg. The article 
> : > said he was driving home one night when a cop stopped him and shot him in
> : > the head. The cop supposedly claimed he thought Shabalala was trying to
> : > look or draw a gun...
> : 
> : > Was that article a hoax?
> : 
> : No. But it wasn't Joseph, it was his brother, Headman. I think it 
> : was a private security guard, not a cop, and I think it was in Natal, 
> : not J'burg. And it was in late 1991 (just before Paul Simon's visit 
> : to SA), not last year.

Correct.  Headman Shabalala was also a member of LBM. 

> Moreover the security guard was convicted in court (a light sentence
> if I remember correctly). Headman had something like 0.21 alchohol in
> his blood. (Jesus!) There was no premeditation by the sec. guard etc.
> .....

The court did reject the security guard's version of the events: that after
stopping Headman Shabalala on the highway, Shabalala attacked him and
that he shot Shabalala in self-defence.  I forget the exact forensic
evidence involved here.  There was also a question about what the security
guard was doing stopping Shabalala for "driving suspiciously".  Unlike
the States, even the traffic police hardly do that kind of thing in
this country.  (I have heard of the AWB doing it though).  The only 
mitigating factor that was suggested was that the victim was found 
to have been drunk, and that it could not be found that the accused had
_planned_ to go out, stop, and kill someone.  In the light of this the 
extremely light sentencing would be considered strange: except in a 
country where (white) farmers get suspended sentences and fines for
beating their (black) workers to death, and police routinely torture
and kill suspects with impunity.  
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From: sjbuckle@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Quiz question
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:44:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Can anybody out there provide me with the answer to the following question,
which has appeared in a newspaper quiz ?

   Who established Sierra Leone as a colony ?

I think the actual name of a person is required. Please E-Mail any information/
answers to sjbuckle@minster.york.ac.uk. Thanks very much.
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:15:19 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

>You mean Dow-Corning, who recently expanded their Japanese operation to keep
up
>with the demand for glass for the portable computers? Boeing, who supplies
>JAL, ANA, etc? Hughes, who makes most of the Japanese satellites? MicroSoft,
>who makes the DOS for NEC-PCs? 

What does all this have to do with soc.culture.african.american?

                       Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 09:48:04 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
>hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering
>whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
>I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not
>occur with as much frequency as the opposite.
.
.
The numbers are getting up there, however, there aren't as many
sisters changing their luck with white guys as brothers are with
white women.
.
As far as heat is concerned, there is no one more jealous than a
white woman or a black brother when a sisters goes off the
beaten track.  White women, of course, think they are it, no matter
how old they are.  They can have everyone else's old man, of any
size, shape, race or culture.  But honey, let a sister shatter that
one, and white women get very upset.
.
For a recent instance, one white woman got upset when she heard that
Whoopi was going around with Ted Danson, spouting how ugly she was
and all that.  Coolly, I said, "Well, don't you know that black
p---y is the best p---y in the Universe?"
.
That skipped her record but good. She choked a bit and said, "Well,
I knew that..."
.
I made it worse.  "Don't you know that when white guys have had any,
they always come back?"
.
Then she opined, "I wonder if my brother has had any one black"
since he's supposed to be some kind of stud puppy.  I assured her of
the distinct possibility.  I mean, her eyes were popping while she
was thinking.  Honestly, this woman was married already.  How come
she's gotta pull a main artery on this one? It had nothing to do
with HER.
.
No matter who is doing what to whom, I sincerely object to anyone
dissing black women or brothers to where they have no humanity (or
value) at all.
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:39:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1idu69INNn4i@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>
>The United States sent guns, tanks, ammo, and supplies to the USSR
>to fight the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The USSR sent the bodies to
>fight and die there, on the battlefields and in the cities. When
>the Nazis besieged Leningrad for 900 days (yes, 900 days), 300,000
>people starved to death but the city never fell. 

While there is some truth in what you are saying, this represents a case
of claiming more credit thn is deserved. For one thing, the Lend-Lease
program by the USA to the USSR reprensented only $10 bn (and I might have
som zeros too many). To say that Russia survived on the strength of Amer
ican weapons is too far fetched since American military AID amounted to
a small proportion of the Russian military effort.

Observe also that it was the Russians who tore the gut out of the German
of the war machine, by routing more armies, capturing more weapons, and
raining more bombs than western alliance combined. This is a fact ackno
ledged by western leaders shortly after the war.

>
>They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
>get prepared to invade at Normandie. Long before you were born, Mr. Chaney,
>they were our Allies in a holy war of survival. Admittedly, it was
>an uncomfortable and mutually suspicious alliance, and the
>instant the war was over, the marriage-of-convenience quickly
>soured. But there is no way in hell either of us would have won that war alone.
>
>Both countries owe each other, big time. It's nice that we can be
>friends again, even if it took most of my lifetime for it finally
>happen.


Before you start parting each other on the back, remember that one american
leader said that the USA hoped that Germany and Russia would fight each other
to death because they were both equally evil.

Also, the feeling among Russians is that the Western alliance deliberately
did not open a second front in western Europe in order to allow Russia to
bear the brunt of the war. And when the offensive at normandy, it did so very
late in the war (1944) and its scale was neglible to the some of the wars 
that had been fought on the Russian front. 

Consider the fact that Russia suffered 20 million of the fifty million who
died in the war. America and Britain suffered less than 1 million combined
deaths.

Also USA made a $50 bn profit from the war which enabled it to impose a
hegemony on the world subsequently. Prior to to the war the Europeans had
been the superpowers of the world.

Finally, and most importantly, remember the millions of Africans who fought
in this (and the first) war. They had absolutely no buisness being in a white
mans war and were always forcibly conscripted. Though there name are not listed
at any war memorial (even in some African countries!) they saw service as far
afield as Burma and Berlin. One of my uncles was killed resisting conscription
.....


makala
From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:48:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1596@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>This is not true. I supported and appreciated the US effort in Somalia. I
>appreciate the opportunity to study in the US. What I opposed was the tende
>ncy by some to cast the US as a do-no-wrong angelic country, and the USSR
>as a do-no-right den of the devil. 

>At least as a far as the last big war
>was concerned. I happen to be aware, contrary to the insistence of these
>people, that Russia liberated a big portion of Africa. The US worked hard
>to subvert this effort and to prop racism in that Region. 

USSR (not Russia, btw) LIBERATED a big portion of Africa?  
Oh, well...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:33:21 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <MDAY.93Jan9021806@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>   ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>   a vietnamese person told me that vietnamese people came to hate black
>   people because during french colonialism africans served as soldiers
>   in the french army there.  he said that some of them raped and killed
>   vietnamese people.  
>
>This seems like a pretty bogus theory to me.  It's much too convenient
>to say that racism was "caused" by the actions of soldiers in colonial
>times.  
>
>   from my perspective, however, i see
>   african-americans dying during the vietnam war in disproportionate
>   numbers only to have vietnamese refugees come here with racist
>   attitudes against black people.  to me it looks like *major*
>   ingratitude.  
>
>Expecting Vietnamese refugees to be grateful for what Americans of any
>color did to their country is a little naive.  Maybe you need to look
>a little more closely at what happened in Vietnam and why.  It's not
>pretty.  
>
>   after all, if some vietnamese would hate black people
>   because of the actions of some african soldiers during french
>   colonialism, then i don't understand why they don't hate white people
>   more than black people.
>
>Heh heh heh, maybe they do and they just hide it :-).  After all,
>white people have the power and the money in the U.S.  
>
>But I think your point is right in demolishing the "colonial soldiers"
>theory for Vietnamese racism.
>
>--Mark Day
>
This is interesting. Its the first forum which i have found which may be trying to "address" the Asian/African (American, Westindian..) interaction. In my case, i am aware that many of my predujudices sprang from ignorance. I hado no consistant intimate contact with a person of Asian origin until i started grad school. And the same goes for those people i have met here. the "usual" stereotypes existed - black: lazy, stupid,etc asian:slefish, smart etc. This has change (some), but there is a lifetime of "pr


opoganda to overcome. What is the source of this propoganda?
Possible answers from conspiritionalists et al. welcome.

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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:19:23 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org
Keywords: sfb

In article <C0Lx7F.8uE@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>As for presidents/congresstypes: there are no Chinese congressmen yet, I
>don't think I have to say anything about the presidency..
>

Are we going to start requiring that every flavor of Asian-American be
represented? I don't know about Chinese congress-persons, but if
Dan Inouye, Patsi Mink, Bob Matsui and Norman Mineta aren't Asian-Americans,
I don't know what the hell else you could call them.

I believe the new congress includes a Korean-American (last name Kim -
surprise. Not sure of which district).

(BTW, Danielle, the Secretary of State in California is a Chinese-American,
March Fong Eu, if it matters.)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:13681 soc.culture.asian.american:11450
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Keywords: sfb
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:02:02 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1ilrv2INNekc@shelley.u.washington.edu> waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:
>>(yes there are still some racist assholes out
>>there that hate jews, but face it: the jews have made it. they control the
>>media/government)
>
>First, if "the jews" control the media, then why is it Xmas specials 
>that are replayed ad nauseum during December?  And if "the jews"
>control the government, why are there no more than a handful of Jewish 
>congresstypes and, as yet, no Jewish president?  

Well, if you look at it this way: many universities include Jewish holidays
like Hannika (spelling) but as far as I know, none give Chinese new year
(or any other ethnic holidays) off..
As for presidents/congresstypes: there are no Chinese congressmen yet, I
don't think I have to say anything about the presidency..


>>Well said... Asian Americans should be cautious, but should never take the
>>offensive and prejudice against other races.
>
>Good advice, there.  How about taking it yourself?   

I don't see how I'm not taking it myself

Ning Wang
From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:39:15 GMT
Subject: Looking for info on Carol Moseley Braun
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

	i need some help from our chicago and/or illinois
	friends...  i'm looking for background info on
	Carol Moseley Braun.  i just bought *Just Permanent
	Interests*  (and highly recommend it to all!) and
	would like to maintain an updated list of AfAms in
	Congress (the book stops at 1991).  Having seen
	Carol recently on CSPAN kick the press's collective
	butt, i am quite impressed with her demeanor and
	handling of the press hounds. 

	the little i know is that she was recorder of deeds
	(i think in cooke county) and she ran essentially on
	a *they-treated-anita-badly* type of platform (this,
	unfortunately, from the national media)....   what
	else has she done?  what is her agenda when she hits
	DC?  what does the chicago/illinois media think about
	her?

	please post any info as a response to this seed.  or email
	me.   many thanx in advance :-)

peace, 
patrick


p.s.-- all other info on other newly elected AfAms greatly appreciated!
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:15:07 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

>The "study" examined over 5.3 million mortgage applications and did not
>find one where an applicant was denied a mortgage because of their
>race. The "study" did find that a poor applicant was more often denied
>a mortgage than a wealthy applicant and that more of the Blak applicants
>in the "study" were poor than wealthy. 
First, spell Black Correctly, not Blak and why do you use the term Black
instead of African-American, why Caucasian and not whit?

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:54:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) wrote:
:
:Ahem.  Sorry, but Malcolm did not exactly leave this world with a
:host of betrayals, unlike some small men I do know.  Unfortunately,
:very few of his close, longtime friends to whom he remained devoted
:are dead (Alex Haley, Kenneth B. Clark).  I know of a coupla white

Big oops.  Kenneth B. Clark is very much alive and had a wonderful
article on civil rights in the new Newsweek -- the one with the
cover on the passing of the WWII generation.

A.
From: v4194rvc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (RON C. HAMILTON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Planning Black History Month Programs
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I hope that this group can help me with my dilemma.  I am on the planning 
committee for the Black History Month programs.  I am looking for some 
creative events, usually we stick to the traditional speeches and poems.

Since the composition of the group is unchanged, the level of creativity
is very low to nil.  Any suggestions please e-mail them to me.

V4194RVC@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu		Ron C. Hamilton
					State University of NY at Buffalo

		"Tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it TODAY!"
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:24:51 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <C0FJ8t.5nz@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
# Nobody these days is going to fire someone because he's involved in
# an interracial relationship.

Probably not in the type of job where your personal life is your own,
but I wouldn't be so sure if the job is the type where you're expected
to entertain at home, attend functions with your spouse, etc.

Those of us who have no connections to power can easily think that
discrimination is a minor factor in life, but for some reason, there
seems to be a higher concentration of bigots among people in positions
of authority.  I have no idea whether this is simply because of age,
or that there's something in the personality of people that fight for
power, or people in power are rewarded by the majority for
discriminating against the minority, or what.

David


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