HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tiirola@polaris.utu.fi (Timo Iirola)
Subject: Re: Lyme Disease E-mail Network...
Organization: University of Turku
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:50:21 GMT

EWALKER@utmmg.med.uth.tmc.edu (Eldon Walker) writes:

>In <1992Dec17.155602.47145@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:

>>  Self appointed experts in the academic community have
>> declared that LD can always be cured with short courses of simple antibiotics.
>>
>  I cannot speak for all of academics, but I can say I do not know one 
>person in spirochete research who would make this (patently incorrect)
>statement concerning Lyme borreliosis.	   

If you go to the doctor when you have got the first symptoms (erythema
migrans, nausea etc) LD can be cured with short courses of simple anti-
biotics. If you have had LD for years and you get the late symptoms
LD is treated by a few weeks intra venous cure of kephalosporins
(3rd generation) and after that you have to eat oral antibiotics for
months. (At least this is the way LD is treated here in Finland.)

Timo
From: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com (Joel Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: book, CADILLAC DESERT
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:09:42 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@diag.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale California


 tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker) writes:
>
>The Nature Conservancy had an article on this subject recently.  The idea is
>to store water during the winter on the impermeable clay of rice fields, at
>the optimum level for waterfowl.  (They are absolutely flat, so the depth
>can be controlled precisely.)  It would be released in the spring when
>young fish need it for migration, thus removing the need to release 
>so much from dams further upstream.  This would theoretically benefit 
>everyone.  There are possible problems with pesticide pollution (Buy
>organically grown rice!), etc., so the idea is still under study.
>Someone else may know more.

I do.
The idea is no longer just under study, but is being implemented
on a large scale this year.

One family-owned rice operation led the way, before the Nature
Conservancy or the state and federal wildlife people got involved.
The Lundbergs have been flooding their fields for use by
migratory waterfowl for years --

Lundbergs grow many varieties of rice, most of them "organically",
without chemical pesticides or fertilizers of any kind.  Their
products are available in quality grocery stores throughout
the West, and are well worth paying a slightly-higher price
for -- their quality is higher than any other rice I've tried
except Kokuho Rose.  The brown rice ricecakes are particularly
good, and more substantial than Quaker or Chico-san -- good
munchies.

If you're the kind of consumer who prefers recycled paper goods,
I urge you to add Lundberg rice products to your list of
eco-friendly goods.

the migratory waterfowl of the West Coast flyway, 
and I, thank you for your support

---
Joel Hanes
From: omar@az.stratus.com (Omar Stoltzfus)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon in December?
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:23:58 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagdad.az.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec10.153338.45548@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mimo@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu  
writes:
> 
> 	I wanted to know if anyone had any information on camping at
> the Grand Canyon (South Rim) in December. I'd like to know if anyone
> has done it before at this time of the year and if so, what to expect
> in terms of weather conditions.

Be prepared for snow.  The South Rim was hit with a winter storm last weekend  
and another one is due this weekend.  Remember the elavation is 6000'.  BTW,  
the Grand Canyon with snow is ... well you gotta see it.

Omar Stoltzfus
From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: tincture of iodine vs. ta
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

To: zulauf@orbit.Colorado.EDU

MZBK>Does anyone have any positive or negative experiences to relate?
MZBK>What do you think, is it worth a try?

I use the iodine tablets myself, and so far have had no problems with
water. Beaver fever is very nasty, and it's worth putting up with a
little yellow discolouration, and iodine taste in your drinking water.

Also, from what I understand, iodine tablets have little or no shelf
life. Can anyone confirm that?

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Bob Kenyon                             FREDDY'S PLACE BBS
Edmonton, AB. Canada                   (403)456-4241

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


 * SLMR 2.1a * All wiyht.  Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
                    
From: jbaker@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Baker)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:13:52 GMT
Subject: Avalanche Ranger Query
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

> Excerpt from the Rockport string
> The trip leader will be Rob Taylor, a skilled mountain climber who has
> climbed Kilimanjaro five times.  
> [stuff deleted]
> Rob's career includes mountain guiding and instruction in Scotland, the
> Rockies, Switzerland, and Norway.  He has been trained a a paramedic,
> has worked in mountain medicine and mountain rescue for twenty years and
> is a Certified U.S. Avalanche Ranger.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is this certification? I've never heard of this before, what skills 
does this represent.... preservation and management of avalaches?
Curiously,
Jim Baker
baker@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: vwikm@poseidon.calgary.chevron.com (kevin m. williams)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.skiing,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Avalanche Information
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:18:05 GMT
Organization: chevron

In article <1992Dec17.153127.28670@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.065234.23484@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
|> >In article <lippgrINNgb5@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM
|> >(Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
|> ... lots of stuff deleted 

|> Don't "walk" -- RUN!!  There are lives at stake!  Slow down for the final
|> homing runs, but move quickly when searching for a signal.  
|> 
|> These "tips" courtesy of the fanatic Mountain Guide (Rudy) at Durrand Glacier.
 Better yet, keep your skis on and traverse, if the slope configuration and 
debris allow it. You have to work downhill, but its very fast and avoids all
the nasty deep snow problems others have discussed. Helps you get out of the 
slidepath fast if something else nasty happens, and keeps your skis in a place
that you know you will be able to find them if a second slide occurs. Try 
walking 10 miles out of the backcountry in deep snow.

 This only works well in really smooth debris.
From: mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brian Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Brazil
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:59:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.025959.13235
Reply-To: mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


  Hello all!  This is my first post in this newsgroup and I have a few
questions about backcountry backpacking/trekking in exotic countries:

1.  I recently had a discussion with one of my friends and he seems to
have sold me on the idea of Brazil as a trekking adventure.  Does anybody
out there in the world have any info on Brazil(Plane tickets, special
gear, vaccinations, places to see, etc.)

2.  I've always wanted to see the Himalaya range either from the Tibetian
plateau side or the Nepal side.  What are the travel restrictions for
entering these countries?  Any info would be appreciated.

3.  Since I have an interest in seeing the world, anybody out there with
any helpful information about any interesting places to walk around,
please reply to mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu with any information at
all. 

				Thank's all!

				Brian Watson
From: bozek@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: recommendation for hiking boot X-country ski bindings
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:29:52 GMT

I am planning on doing some back country exploring on cross
country skies and am looking for bindings that work effectively 
with hiking boots. I have done alot of travelling on skies in 
the Wasatch Mountains in Utah, But it was millitary owned
equipment.
If you have had and good experiences with binding for boots, or 
found bad products, please email me.
thanks

bozek@umaecs.edu    David Bozek Univ. of Mass-Amherst
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.skiing
From: saari@cray.com (Amy Saari)
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever saved anyone wearing an avalanche beacon?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:01:31 CST

In article <1992Dec16.145842.28045@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>

>hill that I dropped it on. It was probably a hundred feet long , but there
>was about 2 feet of compressible snow on the ground  and it was a lot steeper
>than I thought and I was all bundled up and
>in my ski boots and everything. I got to the top totally exhausted and

I had a similiar problem one time.  I put my skis back on and side-stepped
down and back.  I never again took my skis off to try and get through
snow like that - it's tough indeed...

as
-- 
==============================================================================
 Amy Saari                                amy.saari@cray.com
 Cray Research, Inc.                        (612) 683-5739  
 Eagan, MN  55121                    never spit on your belayer...
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: tincture of iodine vs. ta
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:02:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

> > Does anyone have any positive or negative experiences to relate?
> > What do you think, is it worth a try?
>
> I use the iodine tablets myself, and so far have had no problems with
> water. Beaver fever is very nasty, and it's worth putting up with a
> little yellow discolouration, and iodine taste in your drinking water.
> Also, from what I understand, iodine tablets have little or no shelf
> life. Can anyone confirm that?

_Medicine for Mountaineering_ claims that tincture of iodine contains
some compound of iodine (sodium iodide?) that "has no disinfectant
properties, and unnecessarily increases total iodine consumption".
Chemists on the net have written me to say this is untrue.  Perhaps
this iodine compound disinfects wounds, but not drinking water?
Anyway, there's still enough elemental iodine, dissolved in alcohol,
to do some good.  I cannot provide dosage guidelines.

Moisture destroys iodine tablets, so once you've opened the bottle,
use them quickly.  Shelf life of an unopened bottle should be rather
long, depending on the seal.  Still, PotableAqua tablets (or CEGDWT)
are the most weight and space efficient iodination method.  I should
think they are the best choice for regular backpacking.

If moisture is a problem, as it is for river runners and backcountry
travellers in moist climates, you are better off with metallic iodine
crystals.  PolarPure makes such a product with built-in thermometer.
This is what I take kayaking.  A 1989 study indicated that required
contact times were longer for PolarPure than for PotableAqua, so be
forewarned.  It might help to shake the water bottle.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 6/20/91] Leopold's post Distilled Wisdom (15/28)	XYZ
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:20:09 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

From: scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 20:43:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Polargard vs. Thinsulate vs. Down booties (Winter camping)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

> Any recommendations concerning which of the three?  Thanks...

  I don't know if the insulation stuff matters that much.  But I've noticed
that the major defect with my polarguard booties is that they don't have an
uncompressible bottom.  When I stand, I'm basically in contact with the ground,
and as a result I get cold feet.  Something like an insolite (sp?) sole would
be good I think.

SC
From: jskean@unlinfo.unl.edu (jonathan skean)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Compact Short Wave Receivers
Date: 15 Dec 1992 08:50:04 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

bytw@calvin.edu (Randy Bytwerk) writes:

>	For climbing/backpacking purposes, the best bit is Sony's smallest
>receiver. I forget the number, but it sells for around $80. It requires 2
>AA batteries, and will run for better than 20 hours on them. It will be
>entirely sufficient to pick up the major broadcasters (the BBC, the Voice
>of America, and so on). 

I agree, but for those who must have the "best", the Sony ICF-SW1S is
$280 and 7.5 oz.  For backpacking, size is (nearly) everthing.  Still,
for casual hikes, a 4 lb. Sangean ATS-803A at about $170 or less will
outperform any of the tiny radios.  (Four pounds?  Ugh!)  Whatever the
radio, try taking along a long piece of flexible light-gauge wire.  Tie
it to a small rock and toss it over a tree limb, then clip it to the
radio's antenna.  Makes a good radio better and a bad one worse.  :)
--
Jonathan Skean                     usenet: JSKEAN@UNL.EDU
502 Hamilton Hall                  bitnet: JSKEAN%UNL.EDU@UNLVAX1
University of Nebraska              voice: (402)472-2684
Lincoln, NE 68588-0304   USA          fax: (402)472-9402
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Subject: Re: Invitation from Rockport
Keywords: Rockport, Kilamanjaro
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:04:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.201334.20390@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun )) writes:

>Well, yes I also received this invitation!  It looks like they want
>to hike 45 miles up this tall African mountain in a single day. They
>appear to be serious and the invitation/application was very detailed.   
>It contained a form to be filled out by your physician stating that
>you had no known physiological reasons why you should not be allowed
>to hike this far and at this altitude (>19,000 ft.).

Is their training program supposed to allow acclimatization to 19,340 feet in
one day?  Amazing!  Can you spell cerebral edema?  I knew you could.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

Yes, but how can weather data for non-U.S. areas (like Baja, Mexico) be
obtained???

Arlie 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom)
Subject: Re: GPS, PC or non-PC?
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:51:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.040650.2442@mtu.edu> pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.222018.700@guinness.idbsu.edu> jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu writes:
>>Hey, I just came across an article in the Samhain 1992 edition
>>of the Earth First! Journal that I thought could liven up the
>>b.c. discussions beyond the issue of waterproofing tent bottoms.
...
>>To quote: "Navstar is a targeting system.  Receivers are attached to
>>cruise missiles, tanks, and Jeeps.  They help guide first-strike
>>missiles to their targets, and infantry across unfamiliar terrain."
>They don't like to use GPS in tanks a whole lot (rather stick with
>dead reckoning) because the antenna makes it easier to spot.

Conformal, low-observable GPS antennas are already available, but
that's neither here nor there.  What IS important is that virtually
no technology is either an unalloyed blessing or an unmitigated
curse.  GPS (modulo the scrambled high-resolution signal) doesn't
care who you are as long as you have a receiver.  Also, it is among
those technologies which has contributed to the SARsat system, which
most would argue lies high on the benefit vs. liability scale.

Next thing you know, those goofballs will be going after time
standards  :-)

-dave

-- 
Dave Hsu                           <hsu@pix.com> -or- <hsu@eng.umd.edu>
Caffeine and Salsa Czar           "Now, we cannot eliminate Santa Claus,
Pix Technologies Corporation       but we _can_ discredit him."
Have nerds, will telnet.              - Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: padgett@inyo.caltech.edu (Deborah Padgett)
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Organization: Astronomy Department, University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:42:30 GMT


If your parka has a removable hood, try putting your feet inside the
hood (inside the sleeping bag). Works for me!

Debbie
From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

TO: ravi@hls.com


BK>:       This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
BK>: a sleeping bag ? I went camping to Sequioa during Thanksgiving with a
BK>: 10-15F mummy bag. The temperature was about 20F in the night.I was very
BK>: comfortable inside except for the feet( inspite of having my socks on)
BK>: which were cold throughout. Except for a little breathing space at the
BK>: top I was well covered up. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments
BK>:
BK>: thanks
BK>: ravi

Well here's a unique suggestion:

Boil water, and put it in a watertight bottle. It will keep your bag
warm, and also you will have unfrozen water in the morning to make your
breakfast with.

It really saves the horrible task of melting snow, or the water from the
night before, on cold mornings.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Bob Kenyon                             FREDDY'S PLACE BBS
Edmonton, AB. Canada                   (403)456-4241

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.170824.795@hls.com> ravi@hls.com writes:
>Hi,
>	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
>a sleeping bag ? I went camping to Sequioa during Thanksgiving with a 
>10-15F mummy bag. The temperature was about 20F in the night.I was very
>comfortable inside except for the feet( inspite of having my socks on)
>which were cold throughout. Except for a little breathing space at the 
>top I was well covered up. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments ?
>
Wearing no socks is better than wearing the same socks which you wore
all day.  They will be damp from foot perspiration and will wick heat
away from your feet.  The best is to wear 2 layers of clean dry socks
which are not too tight.  Another point to consider is the mammilian
dive reflex will restrict blood flow to the feet and hands if your
body can't generate enough heat to maintain core temperature.  Put
a stocking hat on, your body will lose 50% of its heat through your
head, probably even a higher percentage when the rest of the body is
well insulated by a sleeping bag.

--jimiii
-- 
Faster Horses
Younger Women
Older Whiskey
More Money!
From: mendicott@igc.apc.org (Marcus L. Endicott)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Compact Short Wave Radio Recommenda
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:53:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec10.172547.9415@csc.ti.com:933633088:cdp:1449600055:000:260
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mendicott    Dec 12 14:53:00 1992


I love my tiny Sony ICF-SW20 9 band receiver.  I find the analog (?)
receivers better than the digital (PPL, PLL ?) models; because, they
pick up poorly received stations that the digital ones apparently don't
lock on to.
Marcus Endicott
mendicott@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.skiing,rec.climbing
From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever saved anyone wearing an avalanche beacon?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:02:40 GMT
Summary: Alpine Skills Institue in Sierras


>In article <BzD4uz.DKL@inews.Intel.COM>, matt@sugaree.intel.com (Matt Ammann - DA) writes:
>|>
>|> Does anyone know of classes in the Sierra which include search techniques
>|> and beacon practice.  Also would a net expert be interested in organizing a
>|> net.practice session?
>|> 
>|> Matt

In the December 92 issue of Ski, there's a good article on the Alpine
Skills Institute, based in Norden, CA (near Lake Tahoe).  They offer a
3-day course called the High Tour Seminar, where they teach you basic
back-country skiing survival techniques, judging snowpack stability, 
avalanche tranceiver usage, etc.

It costs $218, and is offered several times this winter.  Their number
is 916-426-9108.  No, I'm not affiliated with ASI in any way, but I am
contemplating taking this seminar.
						-kurtray

-- 

Kurt J. Raymond     Engineering Services  The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7427        Sr.  Account Manager  email: kurtray@sco.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: GPS, PC or non-PC?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.222018.700@guinness.idbsu.edu> jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu writes:
>Until this article it had never clearly occured to me how inter-
>related the use of GPS for backcountry orienting and military
>use for counterinsurgency operations were ... it's the same stuff,
>except that the military applications have access to more refined
>locating abilities.  

Can you name a single navigation system that was not developed by
the military for military purposes or which does not have profound
military applications? Loran? Omega? Transit? GPS? Celestial? Deca
is arguable. What about other things  you  use in  the backcountry?
Backpacks? Gore Tex? Freeze-dried food? How much are you ready to
give up to assuage your politically correct conscience?
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?
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