From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Lupo's Next Victim
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:53:15 GMT
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In article <Bx78M5.HBI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> @expert.cc.purdue.edu (adamsma@expert.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
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>Dana,
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>I'm one of those  Christians.  I don't know why you are so driven to prove
>Jesus was not the Christ, but I want to encourage you to continue in your 
>quest.  Many Christians today became Christians because they set out to 
>prove Jesus was not who He says He was.

Haw! thats a yuk! Since I have recently banished one of your number by 
utilizing the very book he claimed his religion was based on, I challenge
YOU to come up with "the evidence" that what you say is true. Biblical quotes
don't seem to work very well since it is not a particulary accurate or self-
consistant document. I suggest a different approach. If you must use the thing,
go for it...

>Remember this though:  whether or not you believe doesn't change the fact that
>Jesus is the Son of God.  He did die for your sins, and He loves you.  

Fact? Like the "fact" that the world is flat? You have a totally unproovable
assertion, that has, in fact been asserted by countless other would be 
messiahs. Shit, I doubt Jesus ever even explicitly said what you claim in those
books you say are accurate accounts of his life (which they are assuredly not)

>Please don't think that I have a I'm-better-than-you attutide.  I'm not.  

Nope; I have that attitude. Proove me wrong. Find "the evidence"

>Jesus died for me as well.  I have been suicidal and into pornography, but He 
>still loves me.  He has brought peace to my life.  I hope you'll let Him do
>the same for you.  If I can help, let me know.

I'm happy that you found a way to stay relatively sane. Pushing this on others
is obnoxious. You may claim you are only posting an offer of help to Dana; if
this were true, why did you not E-mail him instead? Presumably because you felt
a need to evangelize to a group you think needs evangelism. Fine. Its a free 
net. I am free to roast you alive if you continue.

 I have freinds who have gotten the same peace of mind you report
from the use of various meditational techniques, drugs and religious cults.
Your way is only superiour in that it happened to work for you.

>Sincerely,

Bah!

>Mark
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>P.S.  The reason the Jews didn't believe Jesus is :
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>The Jews were looking for a king who would reign on earth, wear a gold crown,
>sit on a thrown, etc.  In fact Jesus came to be king of Heaven, and offer
>salvation to human beings.  Even the Twlve Apostles, Jesus's closest friends
>on Earth, didn't understand until close to end of Jesus' ministry.  The
>people were simply looking for the wrong kind of king.   

The reason the Jews didn't believe him is indeed this. The fact that the 
prophecies which supposedly validate Jesus as messiah also say that he will be
an earthly king are what made the Jews so dubious (among other things).

THe historical records from the time (i.e. dead sea scrolls) strongly indicate 
that Jesus/Josuah/Yeshu/The teacher of righteousness was a heretic in a radical
fundamentalist hebrew, possibly Essene sect. His teachings as recorded in the 
bible are widely known to be inconsistant with the historical facts of the 
time, though they _do_ contain the actual Yeshu's teachings in an initiates
coding.

-Lupo (Kinder, Gentler Butcher)