From: msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis)
Subject: Re: Who really suffers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:01:14 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>>It takes two for a fight, Besime. We talked a lot about this. There have been

>Yeah, it takes at least 4 against 1 to suppress a smaller community. i.e. 
>4 Greek Cypriots against 1 Turkish Cypriot 
>( That would be the minimum ratio if you take the numbers 550,000:120,000)

>+ all the forces and power of the Republic of Cyprus on the Greek Cypriot side 
I donot follow the logistics of the math here..........

>>attrocities from both sides. In my oppinion it's the English who are to be
>>blamed (Direct application of "Divide and Conquer"). 
>>But here is how I see both sides:
>>
>>Turkish Cypriots : The community of 18% of the population of Cyprus, who had 
>>30% of government, and 40% of the police force. They were
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>which you attempted to take away later. 

>If you were not going to obey the arrangement, why did your dear priest 
>Makarios sign it in the first place ? 

Are you really aware of what happened back then?
I cannot understand why a proposal on constitutional changes 
was an attempt to take away constitutional changes.  Your community
chose to withdraw from the goverment, the house of representatives, after 
initially agreeing to discuss the proposal.

Please, try to keep irony out of your postings, especially when
reffering to dead people.

>>misleaded by Turkey and prefered to live under third world standards. As an 
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>Yeah, use economics as a tool, but believe me our prides and security are
>way more important than any of that.

>Since 1960, you have used all the resources of the Republic of Cyprus and  
>enjoyed the help of other nations while we had to stand on our feet only 
>with the help of Turkey. Our situation is actually decently well considering
>all the troubles the Greek Cypriot administration tried to cause to us since
>1974.

>and by the way, the problems in Cyprus are MUCH MORE THAN ECONOMICS AND MONEY. 

>Unless there is committment from your side to go down and solve the
>deeper problems between the two communities, don't expect any solution in
>Cyprus.


>>Italian reporter put it recently:

>>
>>" Passing from the Turkish sector to the Republic of Cyprus at Ledra Palace 
>>hotel is like flying from Jordan to Luxembourg."

>There is an implication of religion here, another reason why you enjoy more
>support than we do. 

>The Turkish population in North Cyprus are moslems and we have no intention
>of giving up on our religion because it's a significant part of our heritage.

>If that Italian reporter says that more power to him, I am proud that my
>country looks more like Jordan than Luxembourg.  

I donot know the Italian reporter, but I do think that you 
must be seing things. Has anyone ever asked anybody else to change his/her
religion?
>In the economical sense, we will be and we are working to improve conditions,but
>in the cultural sense I don't see any problem in looking like Jordan. 


>>Rebublic of Cyprus, basically from nothing. The people who made Cyprus a
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>with the help of many economic organizations in the world under the fake
>name of "Republic of Cyprus". 

Fake to some people, true and politically sound to many more.
>>country with one of the best standards of living in the world, so everybody
>>talks about an economic miracle in Cyprus. 
>>

>You sure like boasting, don't you ? 
>I guess it's inherent in the Greek heritage. 

No it is not.
>>Once again Besime, I'm saying all these with good will. I know that both our
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>Peh!!! Remembering all your previous articles, I don't see any good will 
>in you. 

>>communities can live together peacefully. The target that the current president
>>of Cyprus put " make Cyprus the Swiss of the Meditteranean " can be reached.

>The Turkish Cypriots will be there to cheer ONLY IF the human aspects of the
>Cyprus problem are solved and we are treated equal otherwise your current
>president is going to have to make the south 100-37=64% of the island the
>"Swiss of the Meditteranean"
I pray that all Turkish Cypriot would say, and stand for this.  Human
aspects of the problem are the Innumerate violations of Human Rights, that the
Invasion and Occupation caused.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Theodore David.
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>>* Washington University in St. Louis, School of Engineering, CS/EE         *
>>* E-mail : tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu,  cyprus@maria.wustl.edu                    *
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>P.S Your approach to the problem sucks,Theodore. You think by boasting "Oh!
>    Cyprus is 80% Greek, we will make Cyprus the "Switzerland of the 
>    Mediterranean", you will get me to say "Oh sure, you are so right,
>    let's agree". As I said before there is lot more to it than that, unless
>    understanding is perpetuated between the two communities, unless you start
>    seeing the Turkish Cypriots an equal status community and respecting them 
>    and perpetuating "Cyprus for the Cypriots" not "Cyprus is Greek", you will
>    not see a real solution to the problem. Even if we are forced together, by
>    outside forces, economic reasons etc., ethnic fights will escalate, 
>    blood will be shed again, SO make the effort to give up this "I am Greek,
>    I am rich, I am better" attitude and let's start saying "We are all 
>    equal, we are all Cypriots, we are willing to work together to build a 
>    better Cyprus" attitude.  
Perfectly agree... Just try to control personal attacks on people 

Michalis Syrimis
A Cypriot from Neapolis
in Occupied Nicosia

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Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign

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