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From: andy@cma.mgh.harvard.edu (Andrew J. Worth)
Newsgroups: comp.org.issnnet,comp.ai.neural-nets
Subject: Call for Volunteers
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:57:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.org.issnnet
Organization: ICNN'93 / FUZZ-IEEE'93

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                      ** CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS **

        1993 IEEE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON NEURAL NETWORKS

        SECOND IEEE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON FUZZY SYSTEMS

                       March 28 - April 1, 1993
                         San Francisco Hilton
                    San Francisco, California, USA
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Volunteer positions are available for both FUZZ-IEEE'93 and ICNN'93.
If you or anyone you know would like to exchange admittance to the
conference for working as a volunteer, please respond directly to me at
the e-mail address below.

In the past, volunteers have given approximately 20 hours of labor
(spread out over the entire conference) to receive:

    - admittance to the conference
    - a full set of proceedings
    - attendance to a limited number of tutorials (while working)

Volunteer positions include helping at:

    - Stuffing Conference Proceedings
    - Poster Sessions
    - Technical Sessions
    - Evening Plenary Sessions
    - Social Events
    - OPTIONAL duty: Tutorials

If you are interested in volunteering, please respond directly to me
with the following information:

    - Electronic Mail Address

    - Last Name, First Name
    - Address
    - Country
    - Phone and FAX number

Positions will be filled on a first commit first served basis.  There
will be no funding available for volunteer's travel and lodging
expenses.

PLEASE RESPOND TO:

           andy@cma.mgh.harvard.edu

Thank you,
           Andy.
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Andrew J. Worth                        Center for Morphometric Analysis
Volunteer Coordinator                               Neuroscience Center
ICNN'93 / FUZZ-IEEE'93              Massachusetts General Hospital-East
(617) 726-5711, FAX:726-5677     Building 149, 13th St., MA  02129  USA
andy@cma.mgh.harvard.edu
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From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Tuesday BOFs considered harmful
Followup-To: comp.org.usenix
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:22:43 -0800
Organization: Jet Proulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: USENIX, BOFs, Conference, San Diego

In article <1295@usenix.ORG> ellie@usenix.ORG (Ellie Young) writes:
>Current Listing of Birds of a Feather Sessions Scheduled for the
>USENIX San Diego Conference - January 25 - 29, 1993
>    (as of 1/20/93)
>
>TUESDAY, JANUARY 26
>
>6 - 8pm		NIS+:  An Enterprise Naming Service
>		Lou Delzompo, SunSoft, Inc.
...
>8 - 10pm	GNU Project (GNU's not UNIX)
>		 Richard Stallman, Free Software Foundation
>
>8 - 10pm	386 BSD Update
>		 Chris Demetriou, Univ. of CA - Berkeley
...
>THURSDAY, JANUARY 28
>
>8 - 9pm		CERT Update
>		 Ed DeHart, CERT
>
>8 - 10pm	Netnews and Usenet
>		 Henry Spencer, Univ. of Toronto
>
>8 - 10pm	Sun Managers BOF
>		 Steve Simmons, ISI
>
>9 - 10pm	Internet Firewalls
>		 Brent Chapman, Great Circle Associaties	

ARRRRRRGGH!

Once again I am screwed by the "Let's have BOFs on the Tutorial days", gang ...

To anyone that will listen, a small plea:

	Please try not to schedule BOFs on Tutorial days!!!

Notice how there are no BOFs on Thursday from 6-8.  I can guess that's
probably the Reception hours (-: ... but people could leave early or elect to
attend a BOF instead.  Who needs food?  (-:  (He said, looking down at his own
convex waistline ... (-: )

I guess the BOFs are a victim of their own success, but please try to remember
that not everyone shows up for the Tutorials, for many reasons.  This is the
3rd conference in a row that has held BOFs on the night before the Technical
program begins, also not coincidentally the night before I first arrive for
the main conference itself.  (At LISA I missed the Sun-Managers BOF for this
very reason)  Not everyone can afford to leave a day early and spend an extra
night just to make it there by 6 PM the day before the Technical Program
starts ...

Thanks for listening,

--
	- Greg Earle
	  Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing and Applications
	  earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV	(Work)		...!elroy!earle
	  earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US	(Home/Play)	...!elroy!isolar!earle
From: neil@pio.gid.co.uk (Neil Todd)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Current San Diego weather + mud report
Date: 20 Jan 1993 10:36:58 GMT
Organization: GID Ltd, Upper Basildon, READING, Berks, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.164.64.45

In article <1993Jan19.183225.7244@Cadence.COM> jerpseth@sd.cadence.com (James Jerpseth) writes:
| Neil,
| 
| The sun is once again shining in San Diego. There is probably about
| 1 to 2 feet of water in the parking lot of the convention center
| where USENIX will take plce but that should drain shortly.
| It is only feet away from the San Diego river bed.
| 

(stuff deleted)

| (where they belong for this time of year) by the end of the week.
| 
| What are "wellies"? -- some sort of rain gear, I presume.

I had a private bet with myself whether Wellies would translate from
English English to North Americian English, looks like I lost.
"Wellies" - informal abbreviation for "Wellington Boots", rubber galosh
perhaps, although a galosh is defined as a rubber overshoe (in my
dictionary at least), a Wellington boot is either calf or knee high.


Neil
--
Neil Todd                       | ..In general, it is best to assume that the
PSI%234237100122::neil          | network is filled with malevolent entities
neil@pio.gid.co.uk              | that will send in packets designed to have
GID Ltd                         | the worst possible effect...	RFC 1122
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: System Administration, Networking, and Security (SANS II)
Keywords: USENIX Association, SAGE
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:15:21 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu



In article <1292@usenix.ORG> carolyn@usenix.ORG (Carolyn Carr) writes:
>           ****************************************
>                        CALL FOR PAPERS
>                            SANS-II
>           ****************************************


This is the first I have heard of SANS (but then, I haven't been watching
all that closely either).  I am aware there is also SAGE and LISA.  It
seems to me that these three groups tend to cover the same area with some
small variations.  I have three questions:

1) What is the relationship between SANS, SAGE and LISA?
(both organizationally and in areas covered)

2) In what ways are they not related? 

3) Assuming you were limited to being involved with only one of the above
groups; how would you decide which one to belong to?

-- 
===============================================================================
Thomas Earl Middleton				.signature temporarily
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu			    out of service
===============================================================================
From: honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: mexican and steak restaurants in SD?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:27:54 GMT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Integration, Univ of Michigan
Distribution: world
Reply-To: honey@citi.umich.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hone.citi.umich.edu

Jordan Hayes writes:
|> Ozan Yigit <oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> writes:
|> 
|> 	I would appreciate any recommendations for good mexican
|> 	restaurants within reasonable traveling distance of the
|> 	conference site.
|> 
|> Dunno about steak, but I *will* be eating one night at Don Jose's!
|> 
|> /jordan

you, me, and oz, then, ok?

	peter
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: ENOUGH! Re: BSDI/USL Lawsuit -- More Bad News for Human Beings...
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: inet
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:21:14 GMT

John Bass writes:
> the group at UCB, Jolitz, BSDI, and others all have acted out a plan
> to attempt to place the AT&T/USL UNIX product into the public domain.

Wrong.

UCB source is copyrighted by the Regents of the State of California.
BSDI source is copyrighted by BSDI.
Neither is "the AT&T/USL UNIX product".

Get your facts right and your opinions might be more interesting.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: Mail Service To Conference
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:03:29 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu


Someone asked:
>>>Will there be email service to conference attendees?

In article <> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
->Yes, as usual, if you send to firstname_lastname@conference.usenix.org,
->the mail will get printed on the terminal-room printer and posted on the
->message board.  This is up and working, or at least it was last night
->when I finished testing it.
-
-Do NOT, repeat NOT, auto-forward your mail there!  If we see a pile of
-messages coming out for you, especially if they're routine garbage like
-network status reports, we reserve the right to dump them all in the
-bit bucket and/or tell the printer software to do the same with all
-future mail to you.

And I'll add that since the messages are getting printed do not expect
them to be private.  They are easily accessible to everyone and the
terminal room staff member has to look at them at least long enough
to get the To: name off.

-- 
Thomas Earl Middleton                           Camping Bares
middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu                      P.O. Box 81589
aka Happy Bare                                  San Diego, CA 92138-1589
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Xref: sparky comp.org.usenix:1391 gnu.misc.discuss:4651
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GNU BOF?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:07:41 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

Well, I didn't make it to Usenix this year, but if someone who is a)
there, b) reading this article, c) attended the GNU BOF last night, and d)
willing to summarize what went on, I (and others, no doubt) would be
delighted to hear about it.



--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Mail Service To Conference
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:04:23 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <scs.727997737@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Will there be email service to conference attendees?

See the conference advertising, booklets, etc. for the answer.

(Oh all right...

Yes, as usual, if you send to firstname_lastname@conference.usenix.org,
the mail will get printed on the terminal-room printer and posted on the
message board.  This is up and working, or at least it was last night
when I finished testing it.)
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
Subject: Re: mexican and steak restaurants in SD?
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:37:30 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Ozan Yigit <oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> writes:

	I would appreciate any recommendations for good mexican
	restaurants within reasonable traveling distance of the
	conference site.

Dunno about steak, but I *will* be eating one night at Don Jose's!

/jordan
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Tuesday BOFs considered harmful
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:16:23 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1k5npjINNbfa@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle) writes:
>Notice how there are no BOFs on Thursday from 6-8.  I can guess that's
>probably the Reception hours (-: ... but people could leave early or elect to
>attend a BOF instead.  Who needs food?  (-:  ...

The Reception (which is indeed in that timeslot) is constitutionally
protected :-) and absolutely nothing is scheduled opposite it -- even
the Terminal Room closes during that timeslot.  The idea is to give
everyone a timeslot when they have no excuse not to go and mingle.

>I guess the BOFs are a victim of their own success, but please try to remember
>that not everyone shows up for the Tutorials, for many reasons.  This is the
>3rd conference in a row that has held BOFs on the night before the Technical
>program begins...

It's a compromise.  There is far too little time available for the BOFs as it
is.  Many people who come only for the technical sessions arrive Tuesday
afternoon, so Tuesday-evening BOFs are not totally unreasonable.  BOFs are
part of the informal interaction at the conference, which is much more
important than sitting watching the speakers; the conference starts Tuesday
evening for all practical purposes.  You just have to allow for this.

(I suppose I should add that I don't speak for Usenix, although I think
the above is roughly what they'd say if you asked them.)
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Mail Service To Conference
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:35:37 GMT


Will there be email service to conference attendees?
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.large,comp.admin.policy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sgi.admin
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Mail Service To Conference
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:02:48 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I wrote:
>>Will there be email service to conference attendees?
>
>Yes, as usual, if you send to firstname_lastname@conference.usenix.org,
>the mail will get printed on the terminal-room printer and posted on the
>message board.  This is up and working, or at least it was last night
>when I finished testing it.

It seems I should have added something...

Do NOT, repeat NOT, auto-forward your mail there!  If we see a pile of
messages coming out for you, especially if they're routine garbage like
network status reports, we reserve the right to dump them all in the
bit bucket and/or tell the printer software to do the same with all
future mail to you.

Paper costs money, and our supplies aren't unlimited.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam)
Subject: posting...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:59:36 GMT

So, now that several warnings about posting to this group have
happened, nobody is posting. Bummer. It would be nice to hear
about how things are going down there in SD, especially for
folks who couldn't make it.

I'd love to hear about tomorrows bof with USL vs BSDI vs AT&T.
I do beleave that is who will be there?

Have many hottubs been descovered?

:)


-lile


-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lile Elam	    |  "Remember... No matter where you go, there you are."
lile@netcom.com     |		
Un*x Admin / Artist |			 Buckaroo Banzai
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
From: bigmac@erg.sri.com (Bryan McDonald)
Subject: Re: System Administration, Networking, and Security (SANS II)
Keywords: USENIX Association, SAGE
Organization: CHAOS - SRI International, Menlo Park, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:13:50 GMT

In article <1jn79pINN4uh@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>This is the first I have heard of SANS (but then, I haven't been watching
>all that closely either).  I am aware there is also SAGE and LISA.  It
>seems to me that these three groups tend to cover the same area with some
>small variations.  I have three questions:
>
>1) What is the relationship between SANS, SAGE and LISA?
>(both organizationally and in areas covered)
>
>2) In what ways are they not related? 
>
>3) Assuming you were limited to being involved with only one of the above
>groups; how would you decide which one to belong to?

LISA is the System Administration conference for USENIX. SAGE is the
System Adminstrators' Guild, a STG (Special Technical Group) of USENIX.
SAGE's mission is to advance/promote the profession of systems' adminstration,
looking at and beyond the scope of a technical conference like LISA to
issues like careers, management, education, certification, ethics, etc.
SAGE will probably be very involved in attempting to maintain the high
quality of the LISA conferences and any other efforts of a similar nature.

SANS (System Adminstration, Networking, and Security) is the renamed
World Conference on System Administration and Security
from last July.  It is principly sponsored by FedUNIX, a Washington, D.C.,
based group.

SAGE is also co-sponsoring SANS this year, working with the World Conference
group to promote cooperation and interchange between their group and USENIX,
and to bring together two groups aiming at different segments of the
system adminstration profession.

I went to both conferences last year, and was a member of the interim board
of SAGE.  Each has its benefits.  SAGE is not a conference, but an
ongoing support effort, aimed at improving our field as it begins to expand 
quickly.  I think it is an excellent effort and would encourage anyone to join.
SANS and LISA are differnet on focus and other mundane things, like time
and location, and which one you attend, if you can only attend one, depends
a lot on what you want out of the conference.

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Bryan McDonald                   |   Computer, Hardware, And Operations Support
bigmac@erg.sri.com               |                     CHAOS
Postmaster-Systems Administrator |            ITAD - SRI International
---------------------------BayLISA Newsletter Editor----------------------------
-------USENIX/SAGE (Systems Administrators Guild) Publications Coordinator------
Xref: sparky comp.org.usenix:1368 rec.games.video:28348 alt.games.lynx:1640
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,rec.games.video,alt.games.lynx
Subject: Lynx-up at Usenix?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:34:11 GMT
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov

So, anyone else up for some portable multiplayer videogaming while soaking up
the San Diego sun?
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

There's a rough border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: font `harmonizing' creating chaos
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:51:25 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu


How does `font harmonizing' software know what fonts are
========================================================
			just different `styles' of a particular `face'?
			===============================================

Utilities like Adobe Type Reunion on the Mac, and Font Minder in Windows,
etc group related fonts in font menus.  That is done so that `regular',
`bold', `italic', and `bolditalic' don't appear as separate entries
in font menus, for example.  Which is logical and shortens font menus.

Now, first of all, this seems somewhat superfluous, since Mac 
screen fonts and Windows PFM files can - and should - be set up to 
do the right thing in any case (although some font generation
utilities and font manipulation utilities don't know how). But, anyway...

In many cases `font harmonizing' utilities group fonts incorrectly.
For example, they may add fonts with related names to existing families
to which they do not belong.
Also these utilities can lead to missing fonts when font families are
`incomplete' - that is do not have all four of `regular', `italic', `bold',
`bolditalic'.
In addition, they get confused when a `family' has both an `italic'
and a `slanted' version, for example.

(*)	So, my question, is what information do these utilities base their 
	decision on?  And how do you stop them from doing this?

One conjecture is that fonts with the same FamilyName are grouped together.
But this is obviously a bad idea, since there are several groups of fonts
that have the same FamilyName, but are not simply different styles of the
same face.  For example, the three Adobe LucidaMath fonts all have the
same FamilyName, as do the four Y&Y LucidaNewMath fonts.  The five Adobe
Math Pi fonts all share the same FamilyName. And all 75 Computer Modern 
fonts have the same FamilyName! 

Next, one might image that all fonts with the same `root' FontName
should be grouped together, where the `root' is what you get after
stripping off `modifiers' like `Italic', `Kursiv', `Oblique', `Slanted',
`Bold', `Heavy', `Light', `Demibold', `Regular' etc.  But such a list of
modifiers is quite long, and somewhat arbitrary.  For example, some FontNames
use `Roman' to indicate the `regular' style, so this should be stripped off
too, but with other fonts it is part of the `root'.

Another conjecture is that grouping is based on font menu name (QuickDraw
name on the Mac and Windows Face Name in Windows).  But that can't be, 
since that is exactly the problem these utilities are designed to solve: 
namely that related fonts do not always have the same font menu name
(as they are supposed to).

Anyone have any solid information on this?  Or how to prevent specific fonts
from being `harmonized' that should not be?

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: Peter Galko <galko@trix.genie.uottawa.ca>
Subject: LaserWriter Font Utility 7.0 and LaserWriter Utility 7.2
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7897DCA570114C9@galko.genie.uottawa.ca>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:21:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. Electrical Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:25:13 GMT

Recently I tried downloading some Postscript fonts to a 
hard drive attached to a LaserWriter IINTX from my Macintosh IIfx
running System 7.1.  I tried using the latest utility from Apple 
for the task (7.2) and discovered to my surprise that it reported  
every postscript font I owned was defective and it could not do the
job as a result.  This was even the case after reformatting the 
drive on the printer and restarting it.  Fortunately when I tried the
older software from Apple for the task (7.0), the problem went away.
Has anyone else experienced this problem and know its cause?

Where does Apple or Adobe document the postscript stuff about downloading
fonts to drives attached to PostScript printers?
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Andrew Lewis)
Subject: Re: PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:25:39 GMT

In article <93018.205917DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> DLVGC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Dimitri Vulis) writes:
>
>By the way, if anyone's looking for a reasonable-looking free Type 1 font
>check out Cyrillic Gothic on LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU. I think
>it supports Ukrainian and Serbian as well as Russian.
>
How does one get a font from a listserver?  Can you ftp to it, or what?

And a question: does anyone know of a PD or shareware program that either
edits fonts (TT or Type 1), allows them to be code-remapped (so that the
cyrttf font could be put into KOI-8 order, for instance), or creates them?

Andrew M. Lewis
Internet: alewis@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Bitnet: lewis@unc
V derevniu, k tetke, v glushch', v Saratov!