HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: apj@beldin.sun.ac.za (Andries Dippenaar)
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Organization: University of Stellenbosch
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:55:19 GMT

Riel Smit (gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za) wrote:
: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: 
: >To start with, this dialect, Afrikaans is the reason why 1000 children 
: >were massacared by boers in 1976 (WHEN THEY REFUSED TO LEARN IT). 
: 
: >This apartehid alnguage should be kept off
: >the net otherwise create your own news group, "rec.afrikaans.boers"

It is interesting to note that Afrikaans enjoys the status of being
one of the world's youngest languages as well as being the only (to my
limited knowledge) that has evolved from both African and European
roots.  One simply has to look at a dictionary to see the wealth of
words incorporated from languages across the world (including many
non-european languages, cf. bobotie, indaba, karwats, ...).  To
classify Afrikaans as an `apartheid' language is extremely
narrow-minded, it is rather an example of how something good can come
out of cultural interaction.  The fact that Afrikaans is by far the
largest language among the white population, should make it obvious
that the state apparatus would appear to consist solely of *Afrikaners*,
but then every second voice has a different definition of Afrikaner
(BTW: an interesting piece of *irony* if you want -- `Afrikaner' is the 
Afrikaans work for `African', not for Afrikaans-speaking as many would 
believe).

: And what should we do with those blacks whose mother tongue is Afrikaans?
: Are they boere as well?

Let alone that the coloured community is to a large extent also
Afrikaans-speaking...

Andries
***********************************************************************
*       /|~~\ * APJ Dippenaar        * "If you wanna make the world a *
*     /__|__/ * apj@beldin.sun.ac.za *  better place, take a look at  *
*   /    |    * Univ of Stellenbosch *  yourself and make a change."  *
* /   \__|    * South Africa         *             -- Michael Jackson *
***********************************************************************
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:33 PST
Subject: URGENT ACTION for Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700260:000:1863
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov 19 18:33:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: URGENT ACTION for Somalia

/* Written  6:25 pm  Nov 19, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "URGENT ACTION for Somalia" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      URGENT ACTION for Somalia

MacNeil/Lehrer said tonight the White House will discuss serious action for
Somalia tomorrow.

Please call the White House Comment Line--202-456-1111, between 9am
and 5pm Eastern time, tomorrow.

Or fax any time (starting tonight) at 202-456-2461.

Please urge massive increases in food aid and medical supplies.  Remember,
even Mohamed Sahnoun said things were getting better since the aid increased,
despite the looting.  And, he said the amount now being delivered is
30,000 tons a month.  60,000 tons a month are needed, so there is plenty
of room for improvement there.

The main topic of discussion will be military intervention.  I plan to urge
increased UN troops, deployed swiftly.  I think that insofar as outside
military force can cause some problems, UN troops are less provocative than
US marines.

I have to say that the Somalis in the US to whom I have talked==the
Somalia Relief Association in Houston, and Save Somalia in Atlanta,
strongly support military intervention.

On the M/L News Hour, the former US Ambassador to Somalia, Crigler,
said "the American people have shown that they favor helping Somalia."
It's important that we continue to show this support.

Hope everybody will take the time to make the quick phone call or
send a one-paragraph fax.

Thanks so much.  Events seem to have shown that the online community
has made a big difference for Somalia--I hope we can act in great
numbers tomorrow and perhaps get some really helpful action out of the
White House.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: M.Titahmboh@lut.ac.uk (Mana TitahMboh)
Subject: Re: Genital Mutilation (girls)
Organization: Loughborough University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:47:21 GMT

In article <9578@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
writes:
|> In article <35040002@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com> megana@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Megan
|> Adams) writes:
|> >
|> >I think it is entirely appropriate for the international community to
|> >agitate against human rights violations in particular countries. The 
|> >mutilation of the genitals of girls so they can never experience sexual
|> >pleasure (orgasm) and suffer from problems with childbirth and intercourse
|> >for the rest of their lives is such a violation of human rights.
|> >megana.
|> 
|> Since you taken it upon yourself to be the unappointed representative of 
|> human and moral rights, answer this and don't try to ignore it?
|> 
|> A) since you are whimpering about child rights? What do you think of
|> abortion?
|>   
|> B) dO CHILD  RIGNTS INCLUDE PROTECTION FROM ALL SUCH POLUTING TALK AS THAT
|> WHICH JUSTIFIES LESBIANISM, HOMOSEXUALITY, BESTIALITY AND s&M?
|> 
|> Let me know your answer before you proceed.
|> 
|> makala

If I might just but in here fellows, I'd like to say how dismayed I am to find
that my very first item (read) contains such uncontrolled flames. We Africans
must, if we expect to be respected, be composed and stick to the issue under
discussion, discussing it calmly whatever our personal views or the absence
thereof. For myself I am against all needless "mutilations" or circumcision
(okay so i admit that spelling may be wrong!).  If I might further "appoint
myself" arbitre, remember guys this are only discussions, but it is essential
not to throw a flame, apparently before fully weighing the issues.

There. After such an unadventurous contribution, I imagine I will be immune fron
any rants.

Don't have nightmares now!
From an underground bunker,
Mana - Tell me when the fires die down.

____________________________________________________________
|							   |
| It simply disappeared one clear summer morning, probably |
| withdrawing its presence to another galaxy with more     |
| favourable conditions.       		                   |
| B. Aldiss						   |
|----------------------------------------------------------|
|                                                          |
|	|\/||\/|| ___                                      |
|	|  ||  ||_ | .  TitahMboh 	                   |
|                                                          |
|    Rm. W164, Dept. Of Math. Sc., LUT, LE11 3TU           |
|     tel.  xtn 	4645				   |
|__________________________________________________________|
From: 9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:05:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunvax.1992Nov17.020531.5640
Reply-To: ferr@cs.sun.ac.za <Johan Ferreira>
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

Chris Scogings writes:
> Paul M Mweene (who else) writes:
>>>Note racist labelling of people as boers. 
>>>Gavan Tredoux
> 
>>There is no racism in this. Boer is a Dutch (Afrikaans) word meaning farmer
>>given to the boers by themselves.
> 
> Many of the white South Africans who post here are not Dutch or Afrikaans or
> farmers.  They certainly do not call themselves boers.  The general use of
> boer for all white South Africans is racist.  Would you call Joe Slovo a 
> boer?  He is a white South African? 

I'm not a regular reader of this group, but it doesn't take much to 
figure out that Paul Mweene is a very prominent target in this group.
I've also notice an article unmasking Paul as a fake, which would
explain his insincerity.

I've seen the word "boers" used much in postings.  Correct me, but the
word is "boere" last time I check. 

For all persons still living with their noses in the past, learn a 
few new buzz words :

                     vryheid (freedom)
                   + samesyn (peace)
                   ---------
                   voorspoed (welfare)
                   =========

Johan Ferreira
ferr@cs.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Southern African Sport
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:51:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov15.225136.21668
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I forgot to say so, but this was reposted for

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Peterson Kanyimo Tengende           |
: P.TENGENDE@bluering.cowan.edu.au    |  "To be or not to be? Thats the question."
: Tel +619 370 2851                   |
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

and is not by me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael Mukasa)
Subject: Mandela acting in Malcom X
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:21:13 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

I went to see Malcom X on the opening morning and was surprised to see
Nelson Mandela in a small scene acting as a school teacher.  I recomend
everyone should go and see the film. It is intelligent, panoramic and well
made.

Kiggundu.
From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Renamo
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:53:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.By38x8.A13
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <2998.2B0D2CA9@catpe.alt.za> 
Pedro.Buccellato@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Pedro Buccellato) writes:
>                     "Understanding Mozambique"
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>                             * RENAMO *
>                  Resistencia Nacional Mocambicana
>                  (Mozambican National Resistance)
>
>Introduction
>------------
>
>Renamo is  a much misunderstood organisation  with a reputation second
>only to Hitler's  Nazis, yet nothing could be  further from the truth.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(??????????)
Interesting.  I wouldn't compare Renamo to the Nazis in general, but to the 
Waffen SS in particular.  Also, comparisons to the Khmer Rouge and Sendero
Luminoso come to mind...

>In this series of articles I hope  to shed some light on the matter.
>
>Renamo  is  a  Resistance  Movement  -  not  a  political party, not a
>liberation movement and certainly not a band of mindless murderers. It
                         


Hmm..  You're certainly going to get flames on this one.

You're really going to have a lot of explaining to do.  The press reports
I've heard and read, including the IPS reports on soc.culture.african, have 
all reported about really awful atrocities (such as forcing children to kill 
and mutilate their own parents) by Renamo.  

Renamo's brutality cannot be justified no matter what its ideology is.  I 
really don't care whether Renamo was supported by the SADF, nobody, Idi Amin, 
the Portuguese, the USSR, or purple slime-goblins from Mars.  What matters 
is the credible reports of brutality that continue to emanate from Mozambique.

--Andrew Varvel--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: fingering
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:57:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:09:27 GMT

There seems to be an uncommon number reports of fingering various people
in this group, starting from one of the Laurel and Hardy duo thinking
they could outdo another individual in posting fiction to the net.

Consider the two scenarios:

you have a discussion with         you have a discussion on the net
  someone in one of your              with various people
  classes
you decide you to look the         you finger the person
  person up in the telephone
  directory
you put his name, address and      you post all the details on
  phone number up on a public        soc.culture.african
  toilet wall

Is there an issue of invasion of privacy in either case? You be the judge.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: South African Contacts
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:37:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: daisy.1ecoblINNf2j
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1992Nov16.154459.203284@uctvax.uct.ac.za>,
hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> The amazing result of this was that [Paul Mweene, a.k.a. Makala's]
> e-mail number isn't that of a black person, but of a WHITE undergraduate
> student by the name of Paul McIntosh!!!

Hardy,  if you are going to make up stories for dramatic effect,
please mark them as fiction.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Scandal(s) of the day
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:55:57 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) writes:
>The good news - [FW de Klerk's] term of office expires in 1994, so he 
>has to do something about an interim government before then.

The bad news :-(

From the Cape Times, Monday Nov 16 1992

                  FW to stay in power in 1995?

London - President FW de Klerk will stay in power after March 1995 - the
constitutional date for elections - and rule with "moderate blacks" in
his cabinet if there is no agreement on power-sharing, says a report in
yesterday's London Sunday Times.

According to "National Party sources" Mr De Klerk has indicated he will
use recent legislation to stay in office rather than hold a whites-only
general election.

In this event Mr De Klerk "would appoint a number of moderate blacks to
his cabinet, in an attempt to deflect criticism that he was continuing
white rule".

The report, however, adds that during an exclusive interview, Mr De
Klerk refused to be drawn on the subject.

Mr De Klerk said he saw a convergence of views and predicted 1993 would
be the "crucial" year.

He told the Sunday Times there would be no deal with the ANC unless it
totally accepted his "fundamental requirements".

"I am flexible on details but I will not say 'yes' to a winner-takes-all
constitution.

"The new constitution must effectively prevent an Adolf Hitler or Idi
Amin from gaining power in South Africa."

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
From: zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi)
Subject: Re: South African Expression
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:50:13 GMT

In article <1em3lgINN44h@daisy.ee.und.ac.za> barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett) writes:
>In article <9211201644.AA01424@nms.netman>,
>kartik@hls.com (Kartik Chandrasekhar) asks about a word which literally
>meant "meeting in the bush":
>> 	It sounded very similar to the native American POWWOW and 
>> appeared to be a popular expression in South Africa.  I do not 
>> know if the word is afrikaans but it sounded local to South Africa.
>
>Perhaps you are thinking of the Zulu word "indaba", which literally
>means "business", but also refers to a meeting of exactly the type that

I think you are confusing this with the "Natal Indaba", which was a whole 
different matter. Udaba is the actual Zulu word that literally means "business"
I can't think of any other Zulu/Xhosa word that sounds like  or is similar
to powwow.
"Sohlangan' eskhaleni" is a somewhat popular Zulu expression, but it has
nothing to do with "meeting in the bush". Unless the reporter didn't get the 
translation right. 
>--apb
>Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
>RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett

--------------
Fundisile
From: bk577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane Bires Jiumaleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Saudi Arabia steps up deportations
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:58:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Sources in Saudi Arabia tell me that country has stepped up its
efforts to deport Somalis living and working there illegally.
As has been mentioned before in this conference (re the Arab
League) many families in Somalia are dependent on the wages
earned by relatives abroad, especially those in Saudi Arabia.

To work legally in SA, a Somali must have a work permit (very costly)
and an Arab sponsor.  Normally Somalis must obtain the permit in
there own country.  It's been rather impossible to do this in Somalia
in the last two years.  Deportees are "dumped" in VBerbera or Bossasso
even if they are originally from the south and are hundred s of miles
from home.

Can't SA have a moratorium on deportations?  I don't know of any other
"developed" countries so inhumane as to deport Somalis under the`
present circumstances.

Can any one add to the above?
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: SADF Admits All - Project Mweene
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: >In another shocking development, the Duchess of York (popularly
: >known as "Fergie") has been romantically linked to P. (Project)
: >Mweene. Buckingham Palce spokesman, Brigadier ffoulkes-Smith (retired)
: 
: 
: Can we please stop mentioning eacch others name. Just because it
: is our (mis)fortune to use the same met does not mean we have be
: come bosom pals. In any case there are enough Africans to be fri
: ends with in S Africa if your passion is to be an Africans friend.

Paul, have no doubt, you're my special friend. And I don't look
on you as an African, but rather as a *person*, and a very dear
one at that. 

Can I call you Ferdi? Do we have security clearance?

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
From: 8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: C Times headline
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:32:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunvax.1992Nov17.163244.5641
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

The headline in today's Cape Times, written in massive letters is:

                      SADF  LIED!
               

So what's new?



James Micklem

--quot homines tot sententiae--
From: malpass@ll.mit.edu (Don Malpass)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: TODAY IN AFRICA.
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:18:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Nov17.150116.11660@cs.wayne.edu> faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>... felt good that a news team was finally going to give us
>what they called "Africa, like you've never seen it before."
>I haven't been able to watch the entire two hours so far, since I have
>to go to school but have been able to catch some of it....
>   My first disgust came up when the interviews began. I saw several
>whites being interviewed. They were asked about their feelings for the
>park, and the animals within it. Now this really hurt. When news teams
>give a report on other countries in other continents, the people OF THE
>COUNTRY are interviewed....
>... I would have felt better if one of the tribesmen had been
>interviewed and translated....
>   Not everything about the show today was bad. A black priest was
>interviewed and he did say some things I liked. Some of Zimbabwe was
>shown for what it really is, ....
>
>Feli.

I too was turned off by some of it, but give it a chance.  I taped each
day's "show" and watched it after work.  (That also has the virtue of
requiring only about 30-minutes to watch the non-crap!)  As you've
stated, they have made the effort to transcend the usual 90-second
snippit of starving children on the evening news.  And if you do get to
see more of it, you may find it fairly balanced.  It would be nice
though if their brief mini-visits to other countries (outside Zim)
spent more time in each.  But I'm grateful for what they've done.  It's
NOT just the animals (and I'm prepared to overlook the marabou they
called a crowned crane, since they got both right earlier), but the
people, the problems, the politics, the good, bad, ugly, and
beautiful.  And so far they've remained remarkably detached from SA,
which is refreshing.  As I said, I've only seen the first two of the
five programs, but it's about as good as I've seen network tv do.  I'm
looking forward to the remaining 6-hours.  But thank goodness for fast
forward - how can anybody stand to watch morning tv with all those
commercials and other drivel?
-- 
 --------------------- random signature of the day -------------------------
   Don Malpass   [ malpass@ll.mit.edu ],  [ LL-internal: malpass@spenser ]
  ... A concerned and somewhat ashamed member of the only species
      which DESERVES extinction, Homo sapiens.
From: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:36:35 GMT
Reply-To: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Organization: Swarthmore College

gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes:
> 9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
> >                     vryheid (freedom)
> >                   + samesyn (peace)
> >                   ---------
> >                   voorspoed (welfare)
> >                   =========
> 
> Ag nee man, hoe kan jy nou s^e samesyn = peace? :-)  Alhoewel ek moet erken,
> "togetherness" is darem baie meer 'n warm-gevoel-om-die-hart woord as
> samesyn. :-) Enige ander voorstel? :-)  O, en "prosperity" is miskien 'n 
> beter vertaling van voorspoed.  "Welfare" het ongelukkig ook die konnotasie 
> van maatskaplike dienste, of wat dit ook al mag wees in Afrikaans.  (En
> askies vir die swak maniere om kommentaar te lewer op jou taalgebruik, maar 
> dis nie aldag dat 'n mens 'n goeie verskoning het om in Afrikaans op die 
> net te pos nie :-)
> -- 
> Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
> University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com


nice exhibition of your language skills there Reil.  Maybe now that you have
had you chance to post in afrikaans, you will care to share the message with
the rest of the non-afrikaans speakers on the net.
as i recall, the first posting that Mokaba made was in sepedi and a lot of
people gave him flak for doing.

what you have posted is really interesting, if only the majority of the
neters could understand it.
share the info in a language that all people can understand that wy it
becomes power, not a source of aggravation.

phoka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african