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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Timber Wolf  (was: DC tries to Out-Marvel Marvel)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:47:57 -0600
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Isaac Truder (intruder@cats.ucsc.edu) writes:

>I just the other day read my first issue of TIMBER WOLF ever.

>Okay, the primary thing I liked is the art.  Joe Phillips has a really
>nice style.  I understand he's mostly worked on horror comics before,
>but I don't think it really shows here.

Horror comics?  Well, I suppose that's one place to pigeonhole Anne Rice's
The Vampire Lestat.  "Dark Gothic Romance" is beter, though.

>I particularly liked the character named Thrust, though.  He
>had a really cool look to him.

All of Lobo's progeny loom "cool."  It's in their contracts.

>The main criticism of the storyline seems to be that it's a Wolverine
>ripoff.

No, the complaint is that it was *marketed* as a Wolverine riff.  Specifically,
the initial editor (was it Mark Waid or Dan Raspler?) said, "Timber Wolf was
Wolverine before there was a Wolverine."  And if you believe that, I've got
a lung and a spleen to sell you.

>Timber Wolf apparently has a girlfriend; not
>some Japanese lady whom he worships and honors and whatever-all load of
>crap, but someone he cares about and has some self-doubt about whether
>the feelings are mutual.

Apparently is right.  Before Aria become the goddess Gemini and Brin reverted
from his Furrball form, he was her pet.  The characterization of their
continuing relationship is so unformed at to be nonexistant.  Does he love
her?  Is it just "puppy (literally) love?"  Does she love him?  Or is he still
just a pet to her?  Since she's now a goddess (she killed Darkseid, you know),
is *everyone* merely a pet to her?  Are answers forthcoming?

>A far cry from the macho-slash-o-rama prevalant in
>Wolverine stories these days... or from day one.

Don't you go dis'in on Claremont's handling of Wolverine.  Wolverine became
popular because he resisted the macho-slash-o-rama, not because he did it.

>But right now I think they have the makings of a winning formula.

Or at least the makings of a formula.

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                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:02:22 GMT

fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM ( SE Sun Vienna Va.) writes:
>Also, what is the general opinion of this book?  After
>reading 6 and 7, I had to wonder how they attracted
>these high caliber writers to this book.

Maybe to show the Image kids how it's supposed to be done?  Because it
might be fun?  As a support of independently owned comics (definitely
so for Sim and Gaiman)?  To show Todd how it's done?

Or maybe they just take themselves a bit less seriously than we do.
-- 
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:00:57 GMT

In article <1jp2qpINN41j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>>Isn't it mentioned somewhere in Sandman that all beings will die, with Death
>>the last one to do so?
>>If so, then nothing we recognize as God can exist, since God is supposed to be
>>immortal in a rather strong sense.
>OR it's possible that God is not a "being" of this
> universe in way we can recognize.  I assume God to
> be rather beyond the confines of time, space or
> language.

I don't recall the exact way it was worded.  Can someone look it up and check
to see if Neil was really limiting it in some way that would exempt God?
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
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In article <IfN89P600UzxE8h9pP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>My two cents.
>
>1) Didn't Dream kill off destruction in A Dolls House?  He unmade the
>guy!  And even if he remade him, I don't think that he'd be fool enough
>to make him that horrible. 

I'm assuming that you mean the Corinthian. I always had the idea that
Dream would recreate him, since the particular element of the dreamscape
tha the Corinthian represents needs a symbol.

(But don't listen to me...last issue of SANDMAN I got around to reading
was #39!)

Jay (=

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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (The Voice of Fate)
Subject: Re: cherry stones
Organization: F. K. Dingy & Son
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:23:46 GMT

In <C1BzGA.BED@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu writes:
> 
> >Another one for the annotations:  while Dream is having his father and
> >son chat, Del sings this little song (Soldier, Sailor, Tinker, etc...)
> >I'm pretty sure I've heard that song before, and not in the title of
> >a John LeCarre novel.  :-)
> 
> It's one of those jump-rope songs.... "A tinker a tailor, a soldier a
> sailor, a rich man a poor man, a beggar man a thief, a doctor a lawyer,
> an Indian chief..."  The way we used to play it when I was a kid was ...

Folklore is supposed to be reported by the anthropologists, not the natives!
As far as anybody knows, this rhyme was originally used for counting cherry
stones.  In one of his poems A. A. Milne does something like what Delirium
did--just let me pull the book down from the shelf ...

That's strange.  The Pooh must have taken it to use for a sled.  Does
anybody else have a copy?

-:-
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    This is not the World's Largest Diamond!"
	"Of course not, Captain BUFFOON!  It's a big chunk of VOOPTONITE!"
	"Auggggh! Urggggh! Gasp! ... And you're not Commander Pinkney, the
    Brazilian explorer!  You're ... you're ... you're ..."
	"Ha HO ho haw! HAW HAW yak yak yak!"
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From: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:  The flip side of the Endless...
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:56:05 GMT
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Organization: University of Louisville

The only problem with this theory is that the opposite of delight is
despair.  Unless this is why she became delerium.
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:55:14 EST
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Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <C19wwu.Bu7@fc.hp.com>, daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> Mark W Modrall (modrall@world.std.com) wrote:
> : actually a lawsuit from DC was very credible when you looked at
> : all of the similarities... i don't remember all of the character's
> : names, but they had characters that closely emulated everyone in
> : the JLA at the time...
> : 
[character equivelances deleted]
> : 
> : it was a pretty flagrant parody...
> 
> I suspect you mean plagiarism.
> 
> doug

Before everyone gets too mad at DC for copying Squadron Supreme,
or at Marvel for SS copying the original JLA, let me remind you
of an as yet unstated fact.

Way back when, DC and Marvel decided that they would give a wink
to the other company and create characters modeled after each
others super-team.  That's how SS came to be.  DC had a similar
JLA story at the time.  This is were the Silver Sorceress and Blue
Jay and all the other superheroes from the Extremest's world came
from.  So neither company is ripping off or plagarizing the other.
As for alternate versions of characters, they have been done for 
years, although IMHO the squadron supreme miniseries is excellent.

Mark Balbes-setting the record straight
From: danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams - Contractor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH: metagene and Earth destruction
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:39:00 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa


Tom Galloway Says

>Y'know, a really nasty thought just struck me. Let's assume that some
>relatively high percentage of Earth's population that died in the explosion
>did have an unactivated metagene, say 10-15%. Let's also recall that Firestorm
>as a merged being created by an explosion had the metagene (see Invasion)
>as well as a high level of power. Let's further postulate that pretty much
>all of these metagene types really didn't like the way the last 5-6 years
>had gone on Earth and considered the whole series of events leading up to
>the explosion a bad thing and the cause of the explosion.
>
Sounds like a good retcon origion for the Infinite Man.  Maybe he will
destroy Glorith and we'll be back at issue #5 again. :-)


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From: fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM ( SE Sun Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Who is Spawn?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:49:36 -0500
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After reading that Moore, Gaiman, Wagner, and Miller
were going to guest write issues 8 - 11 of Spawn,
I picked up issues 6 and 7.  Could someone give me
an our-story-so-far?  Who is Spawn, where did he come
from, what are his powers etc?

Also, what is the general opinion of this book?  After
reading 6 and 7, I had to wonder how they attracted
these high caliber writers to this book.

Steve

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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Pliable Lad #1 REPOST
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:50:19 GMT
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In article <1jqm3kINNee9@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE) writes:
>			        Pliable Lad #1.1
Hmmm....I have no idea how it got numbered this way.  It won't happen again.
--MikE...I suppose this means I should consider a third printing...


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From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:21:14 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
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dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>     The Planetary Chance Machine returns!  Whee!
And so well timed!  I just finished the TOP entry that includes this
wonderful little artifact.

>     Then we get to see the new costumes and codenames, designed (literally) by
>a PR committee.  Sigh.  Liefeld syndrome to the max...all those "strip down the
>middle" designs.  Cham's looks REALLY out of place.
I've *never* been a fan of Liefeld, but I have to admit that I like most of
the new costumes -- especially Inferno's, Andromeda's, and Ultra Boy's.
Invisible Kid's will *certainly* take some getting used to.  As for the
rest, oh well.  (And didn't the early Doom Patrol v2 costumes have this same
kind of middle-stripe and belt-emblem?)  They may not get any points for
originality, but they do for mild conformity (if that's a good thing :-)...

>     Okay, the plot seems to be moving at a fair pace, even if this was mainly 
>intended as a launch for Legionnaires #1.  I'll tentatively recommend that spin
>off in light of this issue.
I'm kind of looking forward to Legionnaires.  LSH #41 was one of the most
enjoyable stories in v4 that I've read to date (I haven't read all of them,
since some of them were just plain *un*readable).  Tom and Mary have
certainly improved, although that may not be saying much, either. I think
I'll stick around a while longer...

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:10:50 GMT

lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes:

>In the new JLA #72, we see:

[...]

>	For those out there who think that DC has finally done
>*something* original with the Justice League, I have four words:

>	MARVEL'S ... SQUADRON ... SUPREME ... MAXI-SERIES

>Marvel's been there, done that ... and probably *FAR* better than we're
>going to see in JLA with that (&*&^$^&%*!!@ Jurgens at the helm!

Take a look at most super-hero comics and you'll find that you
can identify plot elements and events which have been done before,
usually better.

This issue of Justice League has the characters acting far outside
of their normal personalities.  Further, even, than can simply be
blamed on Jurgens.  I think the whole thing is the result of
Doctor Destiny's reality warping abilities as seen in a lot of old
issues of JLofA.  Anyone who has read the book for a long time
probably said "Well, duh!!" as they read that last sentence, so
I apologize for stating what to many of us is obvious.  But it's
been a while since Dr. D battled the JLofA, so I thought I should
say it.

Dr. Destiny battled the old JLofA several times. I don't recall
those issues very well, but his schtick was something along the
lines of "I'll kill you in your dreams!"  He either made people's
worst dreams come true, or he attacked his victim(s) while they
were sleeping.  I don't remember the specifics.

Anyway, in addition to everyone being out of character, look at
the inclusion of Red Tornado and Firestorm in the group.  Those
characters, to the best of my knowledge, don't exist in these
forms anymore.  So chalk the whole issue up as a dream.  Doctor
Destiny is probably realizing someone's worst nightmare, possibly
his own.

It was a lame issue regardless.  I picked it up because I remember
the old JLofA and I liked the cover.

Tom
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Getting non-comic readers started
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:14:11 GMT

I disagree about not giving a non-comic reader (tm) stuff like Watchmen
or the SandBooks...  I've only been collecting for a year and a half; I
first started reading comics (sort of) a few years back, when I picked
up the second or third in the Fear Machine story line (Hellblazer)...  I
got hooked on it immediately, and read it (HB) for almost a year before
the newstand near my house stopped carrying it... (What???  They have
stores just for comics??? :)  Last year, when I started going to NYU,
the other people in the Sci Fi club introduced me to the comics store,
and I've been reading the Vertigo-type books (+ Nightbreed + Ren &
Stimpy) ever since.  :)  And I have a lot of friends who were pleasantly
surprised that the ocmics I collect werent the Standard Superheroe in
Tights with his underwear on hte outside that they thought all comics
were...  I'm sure I had a point when i started writing this, oh, yeah, I
think that Sandman is a good starting place for literart types, HB for
mage-wannabes  :)  etc.

G'night!  :)

			-Darkmage
--
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From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman/Gaiman work
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:45:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.162332.2908@scott.skidmore.edu> jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
>cjett@s850.mwc.edu (conroy v. jett) writes:
>> Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) wrote:
>> > > 
>> > Has Sweeny Todd come out in a collected version yet?
>> 
>> Nope.  Only the first installment of Sweeny Todd has appeared in Taboo
>> #7.  That was the last issue of Taboo that has been released.
>
>Not only that, but it will NOT be collected for at least four years or
>so.  Taboo is published on a quarterly schedule (in theory, anyway),
>and Sweeney is scheduled to run about 12-13 episodes.  They're making
>a big deal about it not being collected in any other form, so if you
>want to read it, buy Taboo.  It's well worth it....

According to a Gaiman interview in the latest Comics World, Taboo is
cancelled. It will carry on until No 10 to use already paid for material.
N.G and Mike Zulli are now searching for a book publisher for Sweeny.
No idea why it's being cancelled. Anyone got any further info on this?
It might be poor sales, but it sells pretty well in my local shop.

Shame another great title bites the big one.

Steve
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: The Artistic Squids of the Poor
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:05:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.153756.21525@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>My big problem with the issue is where Destruction's house is located.  Reread
>issue 1 of Brief Lives. An aerial (sp?) view shows both "islands" (or
>penninsulae or what have you).  Orpheus is watching the sun rise out an eastern
>window, and is looking directly at the other island.

Check. Page 5 (according to the artwork) of Sandman #41.

>     Now, when we first see Destruction, he is painting the sunset.  Clearly,
>as the sun sets in the west, we should see Orpheus' villa obstructing the view.

This is page 17-18 of Sandman #43. Now look at the pages again. We never 
actually see the sun set. We're looking at Destruction who is painting the 
tree. We never face west and it's hard to tell if it's the sun really is
setting or not. We can't go by his painting because, as is shown later, 
Destruction has limited talents in the fine arts. (I'm not sure about
cooking yet.)

> No such villa is present.  It should be there. Sketch it out if need be. Also 
>the aerial view of Destruction's house looks nothing like the scenes of it we 
>see later. I think we were deliberately misled.  If there's one thing I can't 
>stand, it's a mystery that deliberately hides the clues.

Huh? I'm not sure I agree with you about the house not looking the same.
With the exception of the stone wall that doesn't appear in the aerial 
view, the house's general structure remains the same. The color is a little
off, especially the roof, but the colors haven't been too consistent in
this series.

And it certainly wasn't a big mystery. I think it was figured out fairly
early that Destruction was right next to Orpheus. If it was a deliberate
act then why show the two islands together in pages 4-5? Take away the view
out the east window and the aerial view and we would never guessed the 
two were so near each other.
 
>     Sloppy writing, sloppy art, or easily written off as one of the "change"
>elements?  You decide.  Myself, I'm disappointed in Mr. Gaiman. Maybe I've come
>to expect too much.

At worst I'd say that it was sloppy art. I just don't see it as any 
deliberate attempt to hoodwink the readers. There are enough twists in
the story that Gaiman shouldn't have to resort to cheap tricks.

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From: tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7 (possible spoilers)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:18:24 GMT

In article <1jumr1INNgmr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>
>Then perhaps we're going to find out that the Endless are not as endless as 
>they seem...
>
>Perhaps by the end of the storyline, we will see the death of one of the
>Endless...
>
>My guess would be that it would be Destruction's death - how can one still
>be Destruction when one does not destroy, and merely creates?  Perhaps in 
>renouncing his nature he is commiting "suicide" and becoming something other
>than he is.  We saw Delight change to Delerium, but can Destruction become
>Creation?  
>
>I guess we'll see.
>

I thought that maybe we'd see Destruction change his aspect: Destruction
to Design?  
Just something I thought of at 5 a.m.