From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:56:00 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <goldberg.715773098@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:
>amir@leopard.gatech.edu (amir) writes:
>
>>The Sepharadim have a consistent rule for the mourners' Kadish:
>>      After Tehilim the mourners recite "Kadish Yehe Shelama"
>>      After Midrash the mourners recite "Kadish Al Israel"
>
>>The first one is called by Asjkenazim "Kadish Yatom" and the second is
>>called by Ashkenazim "Kadish deRabanan". This is also why after divrei
>>Torah it is customary to say the Midrash of Rabbi Hanania ben Akashia,
>>followed by Kadish Al Israel.
>
>>Kadish is NOT said after Aleinu or after Igdal or Adon Olam, because
>>it does not follow those rules.
>
>>What the Ashkenazi rules are is a mystery to me...
>
>Qadish is NOT said after ALEINU by the Sephardim you say? Which Sephardim???
>
>Qadish IS said by the Ashkenazim after Igdal or Adon Olam you say? Which
>Ashkenazim???
>
>What I know from experience to be said by Sephardim after Aleinu is HALF-QADISH,which is not NO Qadish; it even exactly contains th


Ashkenazim say Mourners' Kaddish (Kaddish Yatom) when something
contains a minimum of THREE verses from TaNaCh, eg after a chapter of
Psalms, and for that reason say Mourners' Kaddish after Aleinu as the
second paragraph ((Ve)Al Ken Nekaveh)
finishes off with three pesukim.  (In the Spanish and
Portugese Synagogue in London they do not say Kaddish after Aleinu as
they only say the first paragraph which does not end with three
pesukim.)

>the audience answering YEHE SMEY RABA etc...
>
>About rules, the Ashkenaz ones are essentially the same, execpt that because
>they lost the practice of grouping physically close to recite together, many
>mourners don't know the rules.
>
>An example: you are not going to tell me that Sephardic Minyanim won't recite
>Qadish after Aleinu following Sephirath Ha'Omer, nor that they will recite
>it in between, that is, after 'Omer but before Aleinu. But in (too) many
>Ashnenaz synagogues, it keeps occurring that soemone does not know the rule,
>and starts up Qadish after the Sephira. And why is this perpetuated? Because
>when somebody has started Qadish, you may not stop him, you may not ask a Jew
>to shut up when he has started proclaiming Who Rules The World. Of course
>you can give a Shiur, but YahrZeit occurs only once a year, and some people
>don't come in much more often than that, while others would get bored if
>hearing that lesson daily...
>        Yaaqov
>The solution: become Sephardic, of course, until the Minhagim for the Third
>Temple will be set, BEQAROV BEYAEMEINU AMEN!
>>-- Ami
>
>
>>
>>                                      -Amihood Amir (amir@cc.gatech.edu)


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