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From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2)
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:26:00 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


In article <Bty1tu.78r@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
>
>>My conjecture is that adopting a colonialist policy is one more case of
>>Japanese imitation of the West.  As a new colonial power, they may
>>have been especially imitating Germany.  The racist rationalizations
>>were an adaptation to their own circumstances of Western racist
>>rationalizations.
>
>>Consider that Japan had isolated itself for 250 years, and during
>>that period had too little contact with foreigners of any kind
>>for significant racism to survive in any layer of the population.
>>--
>>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>>*
>>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>
>
>250 years of isolationism is both indicative of and a cause of the 
>strongest kind of racism. The fear/hate of outsiders is reinforced
>by the lack of contact.
>

   Excuse me. Please allow me to add my comment.
   Surely, about 300 years of isolationism made the fear/hate for
Westerns. But not for Chinese and Korean. In 'Edo' era, almost
Japanese respected Chinese and Korean, because these countries
were advenced in Confucianism.
   For example, in the records of Korean missions to Japan in 
Edo era, Korean missions were given a very warm reception by
every Japanese lords on their way to Edo, and many Japanese
wanted them to write or draw something just like present young
girls want singer or movie stars to sign.
   The racism for Chinese and Korean was made after 'Meiji'
Revolution.

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*     Hirokatsu Watanabe     *
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From: ehedstro@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (unsafe at any speed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: looking for e-mail system in yokohama or tokyo area
Date: 5 Sep 92 07:02:22 GMT

Greetings,
A friend of mine recently moved near Yokohama from the US, and she would
like to find a system, either free or for a fee, that would let her send
email to her friends in the US via internet or bitnet.  Does there exist
such a beast?  What sort of equivalents to CI$ and GEnie are there in Japan?

Many thanks,
eric
erich@ucsd.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ggopalan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gouthaman Gopalan)
Subject: information on visa
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:35:49 GMT

hai,

I need following information on my planned visit to japan

1. Type of visa needed for  stay of 1 year.

2. Address of japanese embassy nearest to Columbus , ohio.

please send messages to the e-mail adrress given below-

ggopalan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

thank you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: luke@platypus.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: Cost of Living In Musashino
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Distribution: world 
Date:  9 Sep 92 13:34:09

In article <1992Sep9.043846.11721@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp> d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.004217.3493@bnr.ca>
>	davev@bnr.ca writes:

>>My wife, daughter, and I live in a 2LDK in Musashino-shi, just
>>about 10 minutes north of Mitaka station on Chuo-sen.  

>>We did look at different 2LDK places and found that the price
>>range (quite wide) started at about 170,000/month.

>Wow! That's no less than three times my rent.
>Are you a company executive or something?
>An average salaryman like me can never afford to pay that much.
>If I got married, there should be absolutely nothing left after
>paying such an extraordinary expensive rent every month,

17 MAN is nothing.  I know of ex-pats (that _are_ executives) who live in
places that run more like 100 MAN/month.  Yes, that's Y1,000,000/month.

My only claim to fame is that I've been in such an apartment a couple of 
times.  It was nice, but not much by Western US standards.  Big living 
room and dining room, nice kitchen, three or four bedrooms.  Heck, you
could _buy_ a place twice that big in the Northwest for the equivalent of
a year's rent...

I've lived in 1K's (one 6-mat room, small kitchen) that run around 15 MAN,
in Mitaka (very near Dave-san's place, I imagine) and Hachioji.  Only when
the company was paying for it, though...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Racism in Japan
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:44:00 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Sep8130537@kiwi.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>A bit of a correction here; you use the word "West" when it is apparent you
>>mean "US". The concept of race in Europe appears MUCH closer to the Japanese
>>concept you describe later. The Germans (Nazis) constantly referred to the
>>Jewish race, when by your (ie, US) definition, they are not a separate race
>>at all. Given the ethnic conflicts in various parts of Europe today, it seems
>>obvious that their definition of race is not limited to black/white/brown/
>>yellow/etc.
>
>No, I mean West. I do not see where I have indicated that US or Western racism
>is in any way limited to black/white/brown/yellow/etc. It is my very point that
>racism, anywhere in the world, is not in any way confined to such limitations.
>Robert Miles is British and the vast majority of his research is done in
>Britain and Europe. I am using Robert Miles definition of racism, which he
>labels as Western, to examine Japanese racism.

In your post, you were quite clear in your examples that skin color was a 
determining factor. If it is not, then there is essentially NO difference 
between "Western" and "Japanese" racism.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Cost of Living in Mitaka and Musashino Cit
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:52:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com

Daniel,

The American School in Japan (ASIJ) is, indeed, in the same area.
Contact information is-

ASIJ
1-1 Nomizu 1-Chome
Chofu-shi
Tokyo 182, Japan

(81) 422-31-6351 (voice)
(81) 422-33-7270

The ASIJ campus is right on the boundary lines for Mitaka, Fuchu,
and Chofu - but the mailing address is Chofu.

I suggest that you contact them directly for the cost information since there
are several options including a "scholarship" program that helps decrease
tax impacts if your company is paying the tution and has several employees'
children attending the school. You should also inquire about the transportation
charges since ASIJ is about 45 minutes west of downtown Tokyo.

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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:52:19 GMT
	<MS-C.715991050.1147902781.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
	<jwb.715998306@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> <18k79qINNrd0@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
	<7198@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In the real world where real problems and limitation prevent perfection, I too
think Narita is actually pretty decent. The "foreigner" signs have never
bothered me but then neither does being called gaijin. The wait at narita
immigration has always been half of what I wait at American immigration coming
back. The carts are FREE as has been mentioned and I have never had a problem
going where ever I wanted with the carts. I've past thru Narita about twenty
times and I have never had to open a single piece of luggage for anyone. If
luggage is timely, which it usually is, I can clear the airport in thirty
minutes. Ground transportation options at Narita far out number those at LAX.
Ground transportation is Tokyo is on time and, in my opinion, convenient  and
inexpensive. It is always fairly clean and comfort and the people associated
with the given service have always been pleasant.

When flying out of Narita I always use Tokyo City Air Terminal. The longest
I've ever waited to clear immigration there was 10 minutes. TCAT is readily
accessible by train. I check in my luggage and clear immigration with no
headaches or hassle a walk right past all those long lines at Narita.

Narita isn't perfect but neither is anyplace else. I could care less what kind
of architecture there is as I am usually either too excited or too tired to
look at it. Even if I was in emotional and physical condition to appreciate it
there are more pressing things to concern myself with. I don't want my tax
dollars teaching immigration officials to speak a dozen other languages and I
expect anyone who lives in the US for any length of time to learn rudimentary
English at the very least. I speak Japanese well enough to find out anything I
want to know and can fully understand why the immigration officials don't speak
much English. It should also be remembered that it is to their advantage to
keep their own English abilities a secret. People often assume that they cannot
speak English and make rather incriminating mistakes.

On the whole I don't think Narita is too bad. I've been thru better but I been
thru far more that were worse.

smittie
-- 
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GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie   All of these accounts except MCI will die on or
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: Troublesome words
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:30:35 GMT

hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
: 
: * Returning to proper nouns, a former Syrian president had the name,
: "Atassi" (sp?).  As "atashi" is for "I" in Japanese, saying "Atassi daitouryou"

Japanese prime ministers have been often censured for their words and behaviours
by Japanese and foreign people, and they have said "I am sorry".
Because an English word "sorry" coincides with a Japanese word "souri" 
means "prime minister".
Apologizing is a very important role of "sorry daijin" (prime minister).

Nobuyasu KANKAWA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: Attractive, Wealthy Japanese Woman Sought
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:21:58 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
:           Because they are exquisite creatures,
:            with deep, beautiful, almond eyes
:             and soft shiny, silky hair
:              and slender bodies.
:                                    And yet,
:                        they seem not ashamed
:                 of their natural intelligence
:         unlike many American women I have known.

I have never seen such kind of wonderful creatures in Japan.  
Where did you see ?

I think they must be endangered species and need your protection.
From: rehir@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Hirokatsu Watanabe 432-2275)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Mythology Gods
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:14:02 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School


>We are giving our workstations names of Gods from mythology. 
>We are also interested in Japan Gods.
>Can anyone mail me a list of at least 11 God names?

   I don't know Japanese Gods and Goddesses in detail.
   Anyway, I show you 11 gods and goddesses from 'Kojiki',
Japanese eldest mythology.

   "Ame no minakanushi no kami"
   "Takamimusubi no kami"
   "Kanmimusubi no kami"
                These three gods appeared first in 'Takama gahara',
             Japanese heavenly world.

    "Izanagi"(God)
    "Izanami"(Goddess)
            This couple made Japan. All Japanese islands except 
         'Hokkaido' are their children.

    "Amaterasu oomikami"(Godddess)
            Izanagi's daughter. She is said to be greatest in Japanese
         Gods and Goddesses, and rules 'Takama gahara. She means sun.
    "Tsukiyomi no mikoto"
            'Amaterasu oomikami's brother. He rules the world of night.
    "Susanou no mikoto"
             Amaterasu oomikami's brother. He was violent, and was
          banished from 'Takama gahara'. The later, he exterminated
          a dragon with 8 heads, and became a ruler in 'Izumo' area,
          Tottori and Shimane prefecture at the present time.
     "Ame no uzume no mikoto"(Goddess)
             When Amaterasu oomikami was angry at her brother, 
           Susanou no mikoto, for being violent, and hid herself
           in a cave, World became dark perfectly, because she
           is sun. This Goddess made a chance to lure Amaterasu
           oomikami out by dancing and making many Gods laugh and
           excite. Her dance is said to be probably a sort of
           striptease. Maybe she is the first Japanese strip dancer.
           :-)
      "Ookuninushi no mikoto"
              Susanou no mikoto's son-in-law. He was treated as
           a slave by his elder brothers. He overcame many troubles
           and got big power by marrying Susanou no mikoto's daughter.
           He revenged himself on his elder brothers. I guess he is
           a sort of Japanese Cinderella boy or Monte-Cristo.
       "Ninigi no mikoto"
              He is said to be a ancestor of Japanese Emperor family. 

      I add a few Gods from other myth.
       "Ebisu"
            God of Commerce
       "Tenjin"
            God of Studies. Originaly this god was a real human,
          Michizane Sugawara, who was a brilliant scholar and
          governmental offical.
       "Inari myoujin"
            God of Harvest

   Is this helpful for you?

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*        Hirokatsu Watanabe      *
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From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Followup: Chinese communists & Japanese Imperial Army
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:17:30 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Followup: Chinese communists & Japanese Imperial Army
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: 

Dave McLane writes:

>>Again, this is a version of Japanese. As I remember, this 
>>incident was prepared by the Japanese secret agent to find
>>an excuse to invade the rest of China. There are enormous
>>history books to support this. Actually, that is long-practised
>>way to justify the invasion. If that version was carried in
>>the Japanese history books, then this is another 
>>seriously-distorted piece of history of WW2.
>
>I don't know what it actually says in Japanese history books as I
>don't read Japanese and even if I could there are many. In any case
>I would guess that history books published in Japan don't all say
>the same thing and neither do those published elsewhere. If so, why
>would there be more than one? 
>
>In addition there are other problems with responding to your
>follow-up. Your statment that if version in Japanese history books
>don't agree, they would be "seriously-distorted" assumes that you
>have access to the true facts. While this allows you to dispose of
>opinions which differ yours, I don't think it helps move towards any
>kind of agreement as your mind is already made up: you're right, and
>people who disgree with you are distorting things. Since they
>probably feel exactly the same way so we can probably look forward
>to another 50 years of arguments. 
>
>[* details based upon the truth-distortion metaphor omitted *]
>
>For those of you who read my "Wrong Way Home" post and suspect that
>I'm simply going down the checklist of behaviors of back-seat-rider
>behaviors ... you're right, I am. 
>
>Dave
>
>--
>Dave McLane 
>JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
>Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

I need to say more? Look at any history book covering that
matter other than the books published by Japan (and China
also, to be fair). Read for yourself. 

There are millions of reasons that that version is untrue.
You are on vacation, I am not. Sorry! I really cannot say more.

Yunson Du
University of Maryland
College Park, MD


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: Any Japanese P...(beep) Available?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:31:20 GMT

blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
: I hope you also understand that the word "pussy" is American slang for
: a part of the female anatomy that doesn't usually have claws.

It was supposed to have teeth instead of claws in ancient Japanese myth. :-)
And I heard that an ancient Japanese custom OHAGURO, - women colored 
teeth in black to camouflage them in ancient times is related to this
myth.  (Sorry if my knowledge is incorrect.)

Nobuyasu KANEKAWA
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese immigration
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:22:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

>Don't be silly, Otsuka-San. Should we stop trying to be kind and helpful
>because of the risk of being considered prejudiced? In all likelyhood,
>that person was in the wrong line by mistake. I don't think you did
>anything wrong, and certainly your intentions were in the right place.

Yes, we should stop trying to be "kind and helpful" if our behavior
originates from our deep-seated prejudices. You didn't read my original
post correctly. The person, I am referring to a alien registration
card holder, was in the RIGHT line. 

>Well.... now you know, but maybe next time you can say, "Excuse me,
>but sometimes people get in the wrong lines. Are you a Japan resident?"

Pleeeze. It's way too intrusive (you sound like a damn Immigration
personnel!). It's down right disgusting to ask about a legal status
of other individuals, especially for immigration status, at the airport!
If someone comes up and ask a similar question at a US or Australian 
port of entry, I will be very annoyed. That sort of question from a 
stranger enevitably cast a doubt on "underlying" motive of such 
utterance. Besides, "a Japan resident" is not grammatically correct.
I can't say it.

>And if they thow a temper tantrum, run over to nearest fire box and
>hose 'em down.

It's against a fire ordinance of Narita Airport.
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yo!  Need a new news group!!!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:24:54 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 189qoaINNduu@agate.berkeley.edu, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>All this stuff on 19th century/early 20th century Japanese military history
>is getting out of hand!  We need to form a new newsgroup called
>soc.history.japan.


Thank you.  I second that one.  That stuff is really loading up this group
with long posts that many people have no interest in.
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:25:15 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

The northern islands were not anybody's territory, until Ainu came to 
inhabit the islands a few thousand years ago.  Since then, southern
Japanese civilization, with its northern expansion campaign, fought
guerilla wars with the Ainu for several centuries, until during the Tokugawa
regime, they assasinated all the leaders of the Ainu confederation during a
staged peace treaty.  Thereafter, a systematic program of economic genocide
was instituted to wipe out the Ainu through starvation.  By the Meiji era,
Ainu were forcibly settled in farms of Hokkaido, away from the traditional
fishing activities on the coast.  Only in the Taisho era did Japanese
fishermen begin consistently fishing in the Northern waters, amid
inhuman working conditions of the day (consult Kanikousen 1928.3.15, written
by Kobayashi Takini).  Hence, Japanese legitimacy for claim of the Northern
Islands is no more justified than Japanese claim for Hawaii, which was
settled sooner by Japanese immigrants.  Japnese American culture has a
longer history than Northern territory Japanese community, which is 
assimilated to Soviet culture and is divided about returning to Japan or not.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: The Northern Islands
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:17:08 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>>All right, so if once the Japanese acquire the Northern Islands, what are they
>>going to do with them?  Turn them into tourist traps?  Watch the four rocks
>>turn into four recreational complexes overnight?  Better yet, connect them
>>with subways.  Turn island #1 into a parking lot, #2 into a disneyland,
>>#3 into a Seibu department outlet, and #4 into a Self-Defense Force naval
>>air station.

>So what if they do? The islands will have become Japanese property and that
>means they get to do whatever they want with it.

Has anyone noticed the huge importance given to some little rock
stuck way off the shores of Japan proper? As long as this is above
water it marks the end of Japan and thus the fishing rights. From
time to time there have been articles showing how it is being built
up artificially to maintain these rights. Likewise, having the
four islands will greatly expand the area open to Japanese fishing.

Just an idea...

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087