HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rsadve@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Adve)
Subject: Re: Don't Plants have a right to life? (Was Re: Meat Eating ) 
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:22:11 EDT

In article <1992Aug7.163736.8151@cc.gatech.edu> jasjit@cc.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.042401.24792@cis.ohio-state.edu> jayasim@platypus.cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug5.144445.13291@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>>
>>the conclusion was that a vegetarian society, by being more inclusive
>>as far as the question of right to life is concerned, is morally superior 
>>to a non-vegetarian one.  In this light, if one speaks of the individual 
>
>Well, why should only the animals and not the plants have a "right to life".
>And if you grant "right to life" to everyone, then you don't have anything
>to eat !!
>
>That's how nature works. There are food chains in the ecosystem. Man cannot
>just sit outside the ecosystem in order to grant "right to life" to all
>others. You are bound to be a part of some food chain, you will survive at
>the expense of some other species , be it a plant or an animal. So I
>think that vegetarians are as "immoral" as non-vegetarians, because the
>plants are as much alive as the animals are.
>
>Anyway, I do not think there is any reason to feel guilty that you are
>surviving at the expense of other plants and/or animals. All food-chains,
>in equilibrium are "closed loops". So every living creature in that loop,
>either directly or indirectly, depends on every other creature for food.
>that's how any form of life survives on earth!
>
>-Jasjit

Well said!!

I think that the issue we shd really discuss is wastage of food, be
it veg or non-veg.
Adve.


--
Raviraj S. Adve
Dept. of Electrical Engg. 318 Link Hall.        Ph: 443-4450.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rxv6@po.CWRU.Edu (Rajesh Venkateshaiyer)
Subject: Looking for a Friend
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:42:55 GMT


I am looking for my friend B D Kiran (from Hyderabad). He is supposedly
at U Florida, Gainesville (Dept. of Computer Science). He completed his 
undergrad at VRCE Nagpur. 

I would appreciate any info about him. My email
is - raja@mems5.cwru.edu

Rajesh
From: g9220755@cc.uow.edu.au (sanjay dani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.BHILAI
Keywords: Bhilai
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:54:55 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

g9204555@cc.uow.edu.au (rajiv misra) writes:


>Hello Again Bhilains:

>Why shouldn't we make a news group of Bhilai As
>The
>Keralians and Tamilians have made.

>Ghattis and Gujjus are also trying for their group.

>We would be the first to make a group of city.

>When people have started the state group then why not we make 

>a beautiful city group.

>Wishing all success for Bhilains.

>A Bhil.



Abe Bhil to Gujarat ke Dang illaqeh ke Adivasi hote hai.
Adivasi kabhi padhtain hai kya. Be-aqqal.
Tu aek padhliya to sare bhil padhe likhe honge kaya?

Bhilai ke log to  Bhilaa (Sound Like Ranga Billa) hone chahiye.

By the way soc.culture.satan pe main tujhe support karonga.

See you in Dang Miss in your traditional dress.
From: c_lakhan@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Lakhani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Young Tarang
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:34:08 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

A musical group based in Leicester, England.  The 'cast' is usually 
made up of part-timers from other groups.(i.e. we need a Mukesh singer, 
let's hire him for the evening).  They played at my sister-in-law's 
wedding reception and a good time was had by all.  Mainly since there 
was a Bhangra chappie as well.

Hope that answers part of your question.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:28297 soc.culture.pakistan:13738 soc.culture.bangladesh:4522
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: THE VISION OF WORLD PEACE
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:17:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
: STATUTORY WARNING:1: This document contains Bahaullah 1000 times
: 		  2: This material is from a religious fanatic
: 		   trying to convert people
: 		  3: This material may be injurious for your
: 		   spiritual health
:                   4: This material does not fall in SCI charter
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					  Then, why post on SCI?
Sreehari.
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.Indian or Islam or Hinduism??
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:52:58 GMT

>> 		Is soc.culture.indian converted to soc.religion.islam?
Nobody protested when soc.culture.indian was soc.religion.hinduism:
I have seen infinite postings on Hinduism. Perhaps this serves as a
reminder to some Hindus who think India = their version of Hinduism
that another glorious religion and culture known as Islam exists in India
as exists a glorious religion and culture known as Hinduism which is
different from their version.
Arindam
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: religious talks
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:16:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug13.135831@daffy.mc.ti.com>,  (savithri) writes:
> 
> Recently the postings on islam etc. are getting to be an
> annoyance and as some have suggested, it really should be
> in some "religious" group.  The only thing we learn from

What would you like everyone to discuss on s.c.i ?

> [deleted]
>
> The only way out of this is to abolish reiligion from this
> earth (WHAT A DREAM!)
>

You have only looked at the negative aspects of religion. One
can talk a lot about nuclear bombs and conclude that science
should be banished from earth. The point is that we all have
to live together. Whether you like it or not. 

> 
> savithri

RKP
From: kgh@ulysses.att.com (Krishna G. Hegde[jgr])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Kamala, a Play in English for a Social Cause
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:05:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA



                         Voorhes Assembly Board, Rutgers

                         Women of Color Collective, Rutgers 
                                      and 
 
                                    MANAVI

                                    present


                                  K A M A L A 

                         A play in English by Vijay Tendulkar


                
             Cast: Dr. Shreeram Lagoo, Rohini Hattangaday, Niloo Phule,
                   Mohan Gokhale & Charusheela Sable



                           September 4, 1992, 7.30 P.M.

                         Nicholos Music Building, Douglass Campus
                         Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ


                    Suggested Donation: $15 and $10


        Kamala is the story of a young woman who was brought for a pittance 
        by an ambitious journalist at a village market.  She was presented 
        at a press conference in New Delhi as a living testimony to the 
        continuing flesh trade in India.  Kamala disappeared mysteriously
        from a home in for destitute women soon after.


        FOR INFORMATION:  Viraat 908-721-4904   Shamita 201-334-7356
                          Sujata 201-748-7968   Rakesh  908-360-2294


        - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
        | All proceeds from this presentation will be donated to the    |
        | SOCIAL GRATITUDE FUND - a group that has undertaken the task  |
        | of eradicating the practice of temple prostitution(DEV DASI)  |
        | in India.                                                     |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:39:32 GMT

In article <susanc.714317831@keckiris> susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:

>Well, all clothing is really just a variation on covering up the
>regions between the neck and the knees, but male clothing is 
>clearly moving in the direction of *less* diversity; I hear that
>even in Scotland a kilt is considered old-fashioned these days. 
>I suppose the all-or-nothing option of going shirtless makes up 
>in some small way :-). 

What about the pibroch? I thought it was something one wore under a
kilt? ;-)

George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jasjit@hfglobe.intel.com (Jasjit Singh)
Subject: Ooops... Travel agent again...
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:42:52 GMT

I forgot to mention that Geetha Pradip also has an email addr:
GITA_TRAVELS@MCIMAIL.COM

-Jasjit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prem@phd.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS
Reply-To: prem@phd.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.004344.4224@news.columbia.edu> ta-vg11@muddnext6.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta) writes:
>In article <l8j7hjINN6uo@skat.usc.edu> sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan  
>Ramachandran) writes:
>> 
>> "I hate Tamils. I *really* *HATE* Tamils"
>> 
>> 
>> This string is present in the sub-conscious memory locations of most  
>non-Tamilians
>> Sudarshan.

	Dear Sudarshan,
		I am sorry you were made to feel this way. Be assured that
	some of my closest friends happen to be Tamilians, but they are
	friends first. Tamils/Bengalis/Telugus/Kannadigas/Punjabis next.
	Having known me in Bangalore, you know I mean it.

	Prem!

>DEAR Sudarshan,
>Also ShivSena as far as I know was to drive out the Bhaiyas (UPites )
>who control all the milk and vegetable market of Bombay.
>Vikas

	Hi Vikas,
		The way I heard it, it seems Bal Thackeray was rejected
	by Indian Express which chose R.K.Laxman as its chief cartoonist.
	(Thackeray was earlier a cartoonist, and his work 
	 was pretty good, though a little vitriolic.)

		This, they say, led to his antipathy towards Tamils, and
	all other South Indians because of the generic use of the
	"Aiyayyo Madrasi" label for anyone from the 4 southern states.

	Since I only read it in some magazine, I cannot vouch for this
	myself. I think it was in that magazine called "Sunday",
	published from Calcutta by AnandBazaarPatrika.

	Prem!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <None>
From: ssbethal@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:11:58 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks






Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: Re: Khalistan and GOP
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:32:32 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.125424.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, vkuttikattu@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
|> I  was watching G.O.P convention yesterday on ABC and saw a sikh
|> (orange turban) delegate waving a poster which said " khalistanies
|> support Republican Party" .Does this mean that GOP supports sikh
|> militants . can somebody tell me who was that guy
|> 
|> 						jayan

I have been watching the convention on PBS and NBC, and I've been 
surprised at the large number of Indians at the convention. I spotted
several Sikhs last night. One of them, wearing a traditional
Punjabi outfit, stood out from the sea of dark suits. He was carrying
a sign that said "Khalistan for Bush".

I didn't watch the Democratic convention last month. Were there just as
many Indians at that convention too?

Rohit Thukral

-- 
#include <StdDisclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: snoopy@unlv.edu (Ramesh Viswanathan)
Subject: Indian Doctors and the GOP
Originator: snoopy@cleanhead.cs.unlv.edu
Organization: UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:24:15 GMT


If you watched the CNN Headline News this morning (8/20/92) there
was a segment describing investigation of Bush's sources of campaign
funds. Amongst the usual array of SIG (Special Interest Groups) such
as oil companies, Wall Street money managers, and so on, the reporter
came across a slew of campaign contributors "...whose names were long,
and apparently of Indian origin ... who were all physicians..."  CNN
traced the source to an Indian Florida fund raiser named Zakariah
who has managed to raise $700,000 for the GOP election campaign!

Now why do you suppose Indians in the medical profession contribute
heavily to the Republican party?

	a) Could it be that they just like the Bush-QuayleE ticket?
	b) They like Bush because he single-handedly brought down
	   the Communist East Bloc and reunited E-W Germany;
	c) Because under Bush's able leadership as the commander-
	   in-chief, the U.S. led Western allies liberated Quwait
	   (Kuwait) and brought Saddam down to his knees;
	d) Bush's refusal to involve American "boys" in establishing
	   stability in the former Yugoslav republic - "...we don't
	   want American soldiers dying trying to fight with a dis-
	   organized militia..."  (Editor's note:  There is nothing
	   of value there to liberate such as oil, precious metals,
	   etc.);
	e) They believe in the GOP platform (family values, anti-
	   abortion, the New World Order-Safer Gentler World, small
	   government,etc.);
	f) Bush's new secret economic recovery plan (!?) with Jim
	   Baker at the helm!
	g) Bush's favorable position on reducing income and capital-
	   gains taxes for the wealthy Americans.

It's gotta be a) through f), RIGHT???

--rv
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kghosh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kaushik Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Soumya, batch of '89 IIT KGP, Civil Engg.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:51:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

Any telephone #s or email addresses will be appreciated.

Thanks

Kaushik Ghosh, ET batch of '89.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 14:04:52 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U11983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:    On "Sowbhagyavati"

Chandra responds to Jari Dansky re. the wedding invitation:

In article <75880004@hpldsla.sid.hp.com> jdansky@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Jeri
Dansky) writes:

>The wedding invitation says it's the wedding of Sow. Meera with
>Chi. Sriram.  What do "Sow." and "Chi." mean?

This is going to be the one of the thousands of south Indians replying to
this question, but here goes anyway.

"Sow" is a shorthand for "Sowbhagyavati," literally meaning "May she
be blessed with good fortune," while "Chi" is a shorthand for
"Chiranjeevi," meaning "May he be blessed with long life," both in
Sanskrit.  Note some interesting gender-distinctions here.  The ideal
of Hindu married life is for the wife not to outlast the husband.
Widowhood is not a very pleasant station in life. Hence it is the
husband who is blessed with long life.

*****
Thanks, Chandra.

I have problems with the usage of the term.

The "sowbhagyam" is exclusive to marriageable and married women, never
women who have lost their husbands. Should we, in some enlightened
century, find the re-marriage of widowed women becoming common
I wonder even then if they'll be afforded the sanction of recapturing
their "lost" bhagyams. Perhaps on remarriage, it will be lost forever!

It stands to reason, therefore, that only on an assumption of
lifelong sowbhagyam, when distanced from its current social dalliance
and alliance with the state of being (first) married, can one find the
term acceptable.

Also note that the term 'kumari' is sometimes used instead. In
general parlance, in the north at least, kumari is attributable
to the state of being never-married but not widowed, with specific
connotations.

Shyamala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Sambhar is Good [STOP THAT BUGGER.  RIGHT NOW]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:33:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.190721.18741@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
[...]
>>  I guess you have been eating too much mcdonald's or burger king.
>>Ask your mommy to ship you a wife by UPS-air, and she will cook you sanity-
>>restoring rosogollo and fish-curries.
>
>Sorry, I will not consider my wife's duty to cook for me. I think it's
>my duty to cook for her to show my appreciation for all the help she is
>giving me.

1] Yeah, right.  Thats all we need.
   As if jeans and equality are not bad enough, you have to go and 
   give women such crazy ideas. :-)
   
2] Stay Cool.

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From: punati@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (yashodhar.punati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Going to a Wedding
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:35:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.131231.11188@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>>In article <75880004@hpldsla.sid.hp.com> jdansky@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Jeri Dansky) writes:
>
>>The wedding invitation says it's the wedding of Sow. Meera with
>>Chi. Sriram.  What do "Sow." and "Chi." mean?
>
>This is going to be the one of the thousands of south Indians replying to
>this question, but here goes anyway.
>
>"Sow" is a shorthand for "Sowbhagyavati," literally meaning "May she
>be blessed with good fortune," while "Chi" is a shorthand for
>"Chiranjeevi," meaning "May he be blessed with long life," both in
>Sanskrit.  Note some interesting gender-distinctions here.  The ideal
>of Hindu married life is for the wife not to outlast the husband.
>Widowhood is not a very pleasant station in life. Hence it is the
>husband who is blessed with long life.  
>

I have also seen cases where the bride's name would be preceeded
by both CHI. SOW.  and the bridegroom's name with a CHI. (My  own 
wedding card is an example of this.)

Yashodhar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: Re: Meat eating....etc!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:46:24 GMT

In article <16c98bINNsop@quality.hal.COM> sankar@hal.COM (Sankar Bandy) writes:
.
.
>So looks can be pretty deceptive. It has been proved by Acharya J. C.
>Bose and others after him that plants have emotion and pain; only the
>outward response is different from animals. Even if functionally plants
>are more different than animals, internally at the cell level, they are
>all the same(An excellent reference is Dr. Carl Sagan's Cosmos, book
>and video both). We are much more similar to the plants than we ever
>think of.

	That plants respond to electrical impulses is a very different
	statement from "plants have emotion and pain". Secondly, never
	mind that plants and animals are NOT the same at the cellular
	level, even if they were so what? By the same reasoning, does
	the fact that human excrement is mostly cellulose and bacteria 
	make it any desirable as food? I must have seen more number of
	dubious posts in this thread than in any other. Whether you are 
	for or against meat-eating, leave science alone (except where it 
	relates to health and environmental issues); moral issues cannot 
	be debated from a scientific standpoint.

	For those unaware, there is a newsgroup for the discussion of
	vegetarian issues - rec.foog.veg  Give it a try, you may even find
	some good recipes amidst all the cacophony.

								- Nagarajan
From: s9205@gte.com (Rohit Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: marathi bulliten board
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:59:41 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

In article <1992Aug14.185217.14545@newshub.sdsu.edu> sanjay@moho.sdsu.edu (Sanjay Phatak) writes:
> hee idea changli ahe . Pun hindustana cha problem punjab madhe pun ahe
>te sale khalistani, vichar na karta nir doshi lokana martat. tanchya badha
>al ki teri karayala pahije. 
> Delhi madhla vatavaran badalnar nahi. delhi madhe badal hoyla ki teri tragic
> hoyla pahije. Khalistan ani delhi, kashmir hay saglya desha cha problem 
> ahe pan maharashtra ni leadreship gheyla pahije. Apla etihasat shivaji,tilak
>,peshwe, tilak,ashi lok aheth. Alpya deshat jer kahi honar asle ter 
> aplaylach keryla pahije.

This posting is grossly abusive and condescending.
 
By saying that if anything is to be accomplished in India, it is
only the Maharashtrian leadership which can do things, is an example
of the kind of narrow regionalistic outlook that we want to avoid.
Sanjay Phatak is no better than the Khalistani and Kahmiri militants
he is criticizing because he suffers a narrow and false sense of
regionalistic pride wich is partly responsible for India's woes.
He should hang his head in shame for displaying his pettiness and
lack of respect for contributions by non-Maharashtrians to India's development.
 
 
-- Rohit Gupta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher)
Subject: Re: Where to go for best Indian food in the Bay Area/LA ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:07:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca

armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally) writes:

>In article <16ul99INNsd9@agate.berkeley.edu> aim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Ali Mirza) writes:
>>
>>Where is the best place to go for Indian/Pakistani food in SF/Berkeley/LA?
>>Since this subject has probably been discussed to death many times over on
>>the network, I would apprecaite direct replies to my account.
>>Thanks.
>>     

>Prince India in Dublin near San Ramon I beleive is one of the best
>resturants for North Indian food especially Tandoori foods.

>Have fun!

Prince India has been my ONLY exposure to Indian food... but I think 
they are great. The food is good and reasonably priced. The people that
work there are very nice. I especially like it because I am a vegitarian
and often cant go ANYWHERE with any sort of selection. So, I was 
over-joyed to find Prince India. 

diana
From: vikc@digital.sps.mot.com (Vikrant Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SHOCKING NEWS (from misc.news.southasia)
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:11:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ


Out of curiocity:


Were American (or European) solders barred from taking Bible
( or any other religious publication ) during the Gulf war?

Where were these laws at that time ? Are these laws practiced 
only against the third world countries ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: ABOUT THIS TAMIL NONSENSE
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:36:52 GMT

1] The same sentiments here.
   I have never seen or heard about people denigrating tamils
   because they were tamils. I expected to hear someone put an
   end to this thread long ago.

2] Stay Cool.

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