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From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Aluminum-plastic dumbek
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:04:47 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service


I have an Israeli clay dumbak that needs a new head. Where can I
get such a thing and how do I put it on? Any help would be appreciated.

Also, the bearing edge is chipped slightly. Should I try grinding it 
smooth?
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From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: Re: double bass pedals
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:34:01 GMT

>You might consider looking for a good used one then.  The two best pedals that
>I have used have been Gibraltar and Camco, which I think are the two best
>anywhere.  Finding something Really sturdy for under 300 bucks might be tough.
>Gibraltars run about $300, and Camcos are about the same, just depending where
>in the line that you decide to buy a pedal.  

I have to agree with buying the Gibraltar pedal. I test drove all the pedals out there
until I decided that the 9200 and even the 7200 series Gibraltar pedals were the best
for the money. BTW these pedals can be had from any mail order house for $150. My
advice- go try all that you can. Pedals seem to be the the pickiest part of a kit. 
Some guys can jam with crap for pedals, while others can't play there way out of
a bag with the best.

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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:11:08 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <74273@hydra.gatech.EDU> mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:
>In article <9NOV199215445060@rosie.uh.edu> st1p8@rosie.uh.edu writes:
>>
>>Could anyone give me a rough estimate of the cost of two bass drums,
>>snare, high-hat, 4 toms, ride, 3 crashes (all Tama/Zildjian)?  Thanks
>>in advance.
>
>It's been a while since I priced new drums, but I would say around
>$2500 for what you've mentioned.  If your not picky about having 
>new drums/cymbals, I suggest looking in the classifieds and other 
>sources of used musical equipment.  Here in Atlanta, there is a 
>publication called the Atlanta Advertiser which has tons of used 
>equipment, priced at REAL SACRIFICES.  Look to pay 40% of the new
>price for any used stuff, especially drum sets.  They are just 
>hard to sell.

    
   Does the list mentioned above, constitute a BASIC drum set, or
an intermediate to ADVANCED level drum set?  I'd like to purchase
a BASIC drum set so I can learn to play, but not sure what consitutes
a BASIC drum set....  

   Edmund


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From: marc@merlin.nasa.gov (Marc Jordan)
Subject: test
Organization: Advanced Devices Group, JPL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:01:02 GMT

sorry this is just a test.

	/marc
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Aluminum-plastic dumbek
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:30:17 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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In article <BxM43D.yB@mtholyoke.edu> kharstin@MtHolyoke.edu (Ken Harstine) writes:
>> I have an Israeli clay dumbak that needs a new head. Where can I get such
>> a thing and how do I put it on? Any help would be appreciated. 
>
>Try Rythem Fusion:
>
>        Rythem Fusion
>        P. O. Box 3226
>        Santa Cruz, California 95603
>  0      (408)423-2048
>++
>They have a connection to0 a local drummer who does re-heading of defs and
>ceramic drums for them.++
>
>Also in reference to the "poo".  You are right, ceramic with fish skin or
>other high quality heads always sound better, however they require a lot
>of care and feeding.  As plastic headed drums go, this one is the best
>that I have heard for Arabic styling.  By Arabic, I mean Arabic, not
>Azerbaisan, Persion, Turkish, Bulgarian, or Armenian, to name a few that I
>have heard.
---
	I was comparing the aluminum drums with other plastic head drums.  The
best quality sound of this genre seems to be from Turkey -- it is brass
in color (I've seen copper color as well).  I believe they are only
plated over steel.  Anyway, it has a REMO head and sounds better than
most ceramics -- in sound, it sounds very ceramic.  Also around are the
heavy cast drums that are often have a plastic wrapper coating around
the metal.  Many of those sound pretty good, though the low end is often
a bit weak.  I've heard 1 that rattled and didn't seem tighten-able, so
it would be best to check them out.  

	The light aluminum drums had the look, feel and sound of toys.  They
didn't have a good tone, the low end was muted -- basically not worth
the bother unless you are buying it for a kid.  They were fairly cheap --
like about $30 for a normal sized drum -- they went down in size down
to ones that were only about 5-6 inches tall.  Basically they looked like
a novelty item.

	As for the ceramic drums they have -- they are pretty good quality
for the money -- competative, I would say.

-wat-
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From: st1p8@rosie.uh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Drumkit cost..
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.9NOV199215445060
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Could anyone give me a rough estimate of the cost of two bass drums,
snare, high-hat, 4 toms, ride, 3 crashes (all Tama/Zildjian)?  Thanks
in advance.
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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:33:53 GMT

In <1992Nov10.185145.14163@meaddata.com> robh@meaddata.com (Rob Hoeting) writes:
>In article <74273@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:
>|> It's been a while since I priced new drums, but I would say around
>|> $2500 for what you've mentioned.  If your not picky about having 
>|> new drums/cymbals, I suggest looking in the classifieds and other 
>|> sources of used musical equipment.  Here in Atlanta, there is a 
>|> publication called the Atlanta Advertiser which has tons of used 
>|> equipment, priced at REAL SACRIFICES.  Look to pay 40% of the new
>|> price for any used stuff, especially drum sets.  They are just 
>|> hard to sell.
>Absolutely! Last month I bought a used 7-pc Pearl with Sabian HH, Crash,
>All heavy duty hardware for $600. I would have paid at least $2000 in 
>the store. I would definitely look used before bending over at the
>music store.	

Earlier this year I picked up a 6-piece Tama Rockstar DX kit (minus
cymbals, cymbal stands and bass pedal) for $500.  The list price on this set
is around $1300-$1400.  By all means, check your local papers!

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:35:46 GMT

   I bought my 7 pc Yamaha Power Recording Custom set about 5 years ago
and it cost me almost $2700. That was just drums, pedals and hardware.
That was 5 years ago and I am SURE the price is somewhere near the $3500
range. One bass drum, 10, 12, 13, 14 and 16" mounted toms and an 8" wood
snare. I picked up an 8" tom and a piccolo snare after.

   For a beginning set, I'd just get a standard 4 pc set. A 20 or 22" in
bass drum, 12" tom and a 14 or 16" floor tom. No sense in wasting a lot
of money. Any stuff you would need to learn would be snare/bass/hi-hat
anyway. The rest is fluff. Groove man, groove.



                                               - Mike -



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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Evaluating drums and hardware
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.154245.2103@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> coop4y44@bnr.ca (Robb Keayes) writes:
>I've been playing off and on for about 5 years now, and while I am now
>fairly proficient, I really don't have a good understanding of the drums
>themselves. (ie: What to look for when buying/evaluating drums and hardware.)
>
>What I would like to find is some sort of general survey of drums, hardware,
>cymbals, etc.  Can anyone out there recommend a good book or magazine on this?
>
>Robb

Modern Drummer does a yearly evalutaion of all the lines and the most popular
sets in a given price range.  I wish I could remeber which month right off the
top of my head, but I can't.  I think that last year they did a very good job.
They also evaluate cymbals and other hardware as well.  I have been really 
impressed by the fact that they have a monthly segment on a drummer, and 
which drums that they play.  They go in depth to find out what drums they use
and why they use them.  Pretty interesting if you find a drummer with a sound
that you like, and then you can find out what he play.  The best way is always
to go and try them out yourself...if you can.

Sean
 

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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Temperature effects
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:23:29 GMT

In article <uslave.721555726@mcl>, uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
|> In <74349@hydra.gatech.EDU> mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Nov10.034313.21355@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> galbrait@spot.Colorado.EDU (GALBRAITH JOHN) writes:
|> >>Does anybody know what effects temperatures have on drum kits?
|> 
|> >My mother is a violinist and she protects her instrument from SUDDEN CHANGES
|> >in temperature and humidity.  I think that sudden changes are more harmful
|> >than particular values of temperature.
|> 
|> Yes.  Having the temperature of the drums change rapidly will cause the shells
|> to warp with time.
|> 
	I think I'd worry about humidity with wood shells, and temperature
	with metal snare shells.  Drums such as Milestones (still made?)
	with weird materials are less susceptible to sudden chnges
	in anything.  Furthermore, you have to know the response time
	of the drum in question to such a forcing by humidity and 
	temperature.  THEN, you can define 'sudden'.


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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Jazz snare?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:47:33 GMT

   A lot of companies make a good wood snare drum. Tama, Ludwig, Yamaha
and the rest of those cats. What do you mean a "tight" snare? You can
muffle a snare drum and that sounds sorta tight. Crank the heads way up
also. Who knows really...


                                        - Mike -
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Pipe Band drummers????
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:43:13 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

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Anyone out there a side-drummer in a pipeband?? I would be pleased to here

from you....

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From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Subject: Re: Evaluating drums and hardware
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:15:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.154245.2103@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, coop4y44@bnr.ca (Robb Keayes) writes:
|>What I would like to find is some sort of general survey of drums, hardware,
|>cymbals, etc.  Can anyone out there recommend a good book or magazine on this?

Check out "Modern Drummer" magazine.  Every issue has a review of some type
of drum product. Excellent magazine also.

Dale
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Middle Eastern rhythms
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:15:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1dul1nINNgoi
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <BxM25E.HAG@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>Maybe somebody over there could look at their phone dial and tell us all
>what DRUM means?
I show that number as (415) 826-3786
Of course, all our overseas friends will have to take care of the
out-of-country codes.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and annoyed at letters in phone numbers!)
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Temperature effects
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:08:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.uslave.721555726

In <74349@hydra.gatech.EDU> mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.034313.21355@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> galbrait@spot.Colorado.EDU (GALBRAITH JOHN) writes:
>>Does anybody know what effects temperatures have on drum kits?

>My mother is a violinist and she protects her instrument from SUDDEN CHANGES
>in temperature and humidity.  I think that sudden changes are more harmful
>than particular values of temperature.

Yes.  Having the temperature of the drums change rapidly will cause the shells
to warp with time.


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From: c60b-3ho@e260-4c.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Nov12.164951.24606@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.121108.16272@sfu.ca>, wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>> In article <74273@hydra.gatech.EDU> mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:
>> >In article <9NOV199215445060@rosie.uh.edu> st1p8@rosie.uh.edu writes:

Stuff deleted..

>By the way, as a beginner you can go a long way towards learning to
>play with just a snare drum and some beginner technique books. It's
>not as glitzy and fun as a whole set, but a damn good way to learn the
>basics.
>-- 
>
>   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
>		Evans & Sutherland

So true!  When I first bought my kit in sixth grade, I spent all my time 
trying to be Neil Peart or Alex Van Halen.  Unfortunately, I never became
as good as I wanted to be because I didn't have the rudiments (They're a lot
more important than you think!)  However, now that I've gone away to school 
and my drums are 300 miles away, I've had a chance to really develop my chops.

So my advice is, get a SMALL used kit (you can't play any better on seven
drums, if you can't play on one!) and learn your chops.  Then, when you
are ready buy the biggest kit you can afford and play your brains out!

--Graham

Graham Randall
University of California, Berkeley
c60b-3ho@web.berkeley.edu

Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:07:15 -0500 
From: "Mary A. Mark" <mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Also Re: Middle Eastern rhythms

Kevin Stuart Liske writes:
>Does anyone know of where/who/how to locate Middle Eastern rhythms
>for hand drums?  

I also have a video cassette called "Percussion of the world"
featuring Robin Adnan Anders, the percussionist/drummer from
Boiled in Lead (a wonderful Minneapolis-based band. Great stuff.)

The tape is 1 hour 15 minutes long, and gives information and 
techniques relating to Doumbek, tambourine, tar, muzhar, tabla,
bodhran, pandero, and tupan.  

It's produced by Mid-East Mfg, Inc.
808 E. New Haven Ave.
Melbourne, Florida 
32901
Phone: 407-724-1477

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Hey...
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:25:03 GMT

   Ok, what is the purpose of this group, exactly?




                                      - Mike -
From: klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM (Kevin Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Drop Clutch Hi-hat pedal
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:04:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: pirate.corp.sun.com

In article Co5@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, popetz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Clinton C. Popetz) writes:
>I have been thinking about getting a drop clutch pedal for my high-hat
>since I can't live w/o my double-bass but I still like playing rythyms on the
>high hat open and closed.
>
>SO, anyone now of price ranges/good brands?  

Most music stores I've been to only carry one brand, maybe two, so you
don't have much choice.  be prepared to spend $10-$30.  I got mine for ~$15.
The only real feature to look for is a decent arm that you can hit with your
stick to drop the top hat.

You should also make sure your hi-hat post doesn't rotate, or else the
release lever will swing away from you.

---
--Kevin Chu	klc@Corp.Sun.COM

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From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:34:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.164951.24606@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.121108.16272@sfu.ca>, wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:

>> a BASIC drum set so I can learn to play, but not sure what consitutes
>> a BASIC drum set....  
>
>I would say a basic drumset is a single bass, two toms, snare, hi-hat,
>crash, and ride. Maybe $1000-$1500 for something like that.
>
>Same used, maybe $400.
>
>By the way, as a beginner you can go a long way towards learning to
>play with just a snare drum and some beginner technique books. It's
>not as glitzy and fun as a whole set, but a damn good way to learn the
>basics.
>-- 

Even less glitzy than that but also a damn good way to learn basics is one
or a set of "practice pads".  When I first took lessons (at the tender age
of 11) my drum teacher only let me play practice pads until he was sure
that I was up to the commitment of practicing & moving on to a whole kit. 
It was somewhat frustrating back then, but in retrospect, probably good in
the long run.

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From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: Drum/Percussion mailing list...etc.
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:15:06 GMT

It's good to see the newsgroup finally got off the ground!
For those you you out there who don't know...I have been 
running a drum/percussion mailing list for about 5 or 6 
months now.  If anyone is interested in subscribing, send
me a message at drum-request@elof.iit.edu with SUBSCRIBE
as the subject and make sure and have your email address
somewhere in the body of the message.  We also have an
FTP site (elof.iit.edu   directory: pub/drum/)  which contains
some texts written by subscribers to the list and some of the
archived posts (the older months were accidentally deleted).
As of the momemnt I do not forsee any problem with using the
list's FTP site as a hub for the newsgroup's texts, faq's,
charts or otherwise (there is actually a good ASCII drum
charting system in the FTP site already, written by one of the
list members).  Just put any and all contributions into the
incoming directory.  Thanks!

Jason Boardman
drum-request@elof.iit.edu

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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Splash cymbal stands...
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.151618.12673@pool.info.sunyit.edu> gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman) writes:
>	I'm looking for small "boom" stands for 8 and 10 inch splash 
>cymbals which will clamp onto my existing cymbal stands.
>I know I've seen these somewhere before but cannot remember where or
>who the manufacturer was.  Any ideas?
>-- 
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>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

 I think that just about any will do, as most companies make them.  You need
a clamp, and then the boom arm itself.  I have Tama clamps used with my 
other Gibraltar hardware.  It works out pretty nice that way.  Gibraltar
makes them, Tama(obviously), Pearl, Yamaha, and DW.  I guess just picking
one is what is in your price range...

Good Luck!
Sean

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