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From: as629@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Larry Schillig, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Top 5 Defenses?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 00:51:10 GMT


Randal Cunningham has fire in his eyes. Watch that fire ignite 
an already explosive defensive unit. Look for Reggie White and
Co. to remain in the Top 5 again this year.
   
P. S. They have to be better than Denver??
                     
                         John using Larry's account. 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Lions News
Organization: University of Michigan
	<92241.021633343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:58:20 GMT

In article <92241.021633343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

   If the Lion's were even half-way intelligent,  they would trade
   Rodney Pete before he becomes dead weight.  Yeah he's probably the
   best the Lions have right now,  but with the way Kramer performed last
   season,  and the way he single-handly destroyed the Cowboys last year in
   the playoffs (OUCH!),  he would make a great starter.  Ware has rode the

When Rodney is on top of his game, I haven't seen anybody run that offence
any better, including Warren Moon.  Granted, Warren is on much more often,
and has had much better recievers, but you can *see* the progress that Peete
has made over the last three years.  The old line is that it takes 3-5 years
for a guy to become a quality pro quarterback, and Rodney is now in the
middle of that.  He has taken decent strides, particularly for a guy with
such a poor receiving corps (until late last year), and I think it would be a
big mistake to dump him now.

   him up for a 2nd stringer.  Pete is the best trade bait for 2 reasons.
   1) unless you find a steal (Walker for half the Vikings team),  you're not
   going to get any outstanding players for garbage.  Ware or Long won't bring
   much home.
   2) Pete is Injury prone.  He was in college,  and nothing has changed in
   the pros.  Trade him and let him ride IR for half the season on someone else's
   team.

Seems to me that #2, if widley believed, is a reason why Peete isn't good
trade bait.  You won't get his real performance worth.

This injury prone tag is bullshit.  Last year the guy spontaneously shredded
his achillies tendon in a freak injury without getting hit.  Unless he
clearly has weak tendons, this has to be categorized as a freak accident.  I
think the guy has just had a run of bad luck, which can happen to anybody.
Particularly when you have 300 pound tackles jumping on your head.

Bill
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From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew affect on Miami home opener??
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:18:05 GMT

In article <183@isis.CSS.GOV> ralph@isis.CSS.GOV (Ralph Webber) writes:
>Has anyone heard anything regarding the Dolphins home opener
>against the Patriots on Sept. 6.
>
>I heard that it might be several weeks before power is fully 
>restored in some areas.
>
>Anyone???

This mornings paper claims the pats and the Fins are discussing
switching the opener to NE for the obvious reasons. Evidently the
league has no problem with this claiming it's up to the two teams. The
final game of the season would then be in Miami.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC EAST
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:27:06 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <Btz1H1.6vE@wpi.WPI.EDU> cor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Corydon T Shimer) writes:
>
>Questions... 
>
>	     Miami... Nobody will take a stand for them... they are
>             "third". Can they put a consistent season together?

What does it mean when you say that "Nobody will take a stand for
them?"  They have all the tools that they need to put together a
terrific season, and I think that they *will*. 

Their offense is looking better than it has since about 1984 and their
defense should be much improved with the rookies, the new coach and
the return of the inside linebackers.

>	     Can they even beat N.E.? 

Piffle. No Problem. 8-) 

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0

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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: incomplete list of probable starters (QB's, K's)
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:56:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.235748.613207@zeus.calpoly.edu> eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK") writes:
>Several people have been requesting this kind of info so ...


>PACKERS        Majkowski      Sharpe         Bell           Jacke
>                              ??             Workman ??

The top two WRs will most likely be Sharpe and Sanjay Beach.
				
FB:  Dexter McNabb or Buford McGee
HB:  Greg Bell or Darrell Thompson

The starting lineups should be announced early in the week after
Monday's cuts.

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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: More on Huey Richardson
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:48:53 GMT

Well, since we didn't get a lot of info on Huey Richardson from
Steeler fans yesterday, I thought I'd post some of an article about
him from today's Washington Post.....especially for fans outside of
rabid Redskins country.

During Huey's first day as a Redskin, he was busy.  First a skull
session with defensive coordinator Larry Peccatiello.  Then a team
meeting, a meeting of the full defense, a news conference, a brief
walk-through practice, and a full two-hour practice.  He was also
introduced to Dan Riley's weight program.

During his press conference, he said he didn't know he had a problem
with the Steelers' coaches until recently, but is very excited to be
part of the Redskins organization.

He said he knew new coaches brought new systems and he expected that
at the Steelers.  He said he doesn't feel bitter.  If the coaching 
staff thinks he doesn't fit in, its their decision.  He felt
he gave it his best shot.

The Redskins say Richardson's smart and fast, and at the very least,
believe he has a chance to develop into a role-playing outside
linebacker who can cover tight ends and rush the passer.

They cautioned it might take some time becuase he's trying to learn
his fourth defensive scheme in three years.  They caution, too, that
he should look like a different guy by the time he reports to training
camp in 1993.

Richardson weighed in at 235 pounds, which didn't look like much on a
6'5" frame.  Rily will try to add 15 pounds in the next few months.

Richardson says, "I need to find out my role, accept it, and go to
work.  You want to have time to feel comfortable with the sytsem
before you have to go out and perform.  If you have to learn and
perform at the same time, that's not a situation conducive for good
play."  

He went on to say that he'd played defensive end as long as he'd been
playing football, until he came to the Steelers.  First, they changed,
him to OLB, then tried him at middle linebacker.  He felt he didn't
have enough time to learn the fundamentals of a totally different
position.

In order to make room for Richardson, TE James Jenkins,
coincidentally, had a weight room injury and was moved to IR.

So it looks to me like the Redskins think of Richarson as a long-term
type project and that they got a "steal."  It will be interesting to
see if this pans out.  Something to look forward to next preseason...
never thought I'd say that ;-)

schalene


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:54:42 GMT

In article <x4lnkl=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>  [ text deleted ]
>At least the greatest QB retired at the top of his game.  Staubach didn't
>try to make "one more comeback" past his prime.
>
>
>Gordon
>-- 
>The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
>of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
>
Gordon, Gordon, Gordon!  How can anyone in their right mind say
that any QB is the best or greatest of all time.  To say the QB in 
question is one of the all time greats is ok.  I have to draw the line 
with your presumptuous statement of 'ole Roger being the greatest! 
____________________ I drew the line. :-)

I will however state (since you asked) that if I were to name two 
of the best, not the best, but two of the greatest/best QB's, only two 
names instantly come to mind:  Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas! 
Roger was good but not that good to compare with Montana or Unitas.
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: 49er moves
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:06:18 GMT

The 49ers released the following players on cutdown day :

Harry Sydney
Todd Bowles
Mark Seay
Odessa Turner
Joe Prokop
Matt LaBounty
Martin Harrison
Reggie McKenzie
Ilia Jarostchuk
Greg Joelson
Tom Neville
Ricky Siglar
Darryl Pollard

The following players were placed on injured reserve and will miss at
least the first four games :

Joe Montana
Dexter Carter
Wesley Walls
Ron Lewis
Kevin Lewis
Mark Thomas

Of course, there's a lot of shuffling still to be done if/when some of
these players clear waivers. Some of the released players are very likely 
to be recalled. In particular, the 49ers do not have a punter now, and 
they only have three healthy cornerbacks.

Other news : I reported the other day that Kevin Lewis had sustained a
fracture between his fourth and fifth vertebrae. That turned out to be
untrue; there was no fracture. Lewis is up and walking around, but it's
too early to tell how long he will be out. On the Keith DeLong front,
it's still a stalemate. He's seeking a one-year deal for $600,000, but
the 49ers are only offering $475,000.

Marc Logan was told Monday that he had been released, but at the last
second the 49ers changed their mind and decided to keep him. I think he's
looked good so far, but I don't know if there's a place for him on the
team in the long run.

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Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
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From: hanke@CS.ColoState.EDU (brandon laine hanke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos question
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:42:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <wytten.715624921@deci> wytten@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach) writes:
>Whatever happened to the hearing impaired defensive lineman?
>
>Dale

You are speaking of Kenny Walker.  This man is awesome, one of the nicest
guys on the team, and an excellent player.  All through pre-season he 
started and I don't expect that to change.  Reeves and defensive coordinator
Wade Phillips are very high on him and that makes a big difference here in 
Denver.  Kenny has improved a lot since last year.  He is also doing Public
anouncements for our local television stations Closed Captioning.


BBB   RRR    AA   N   N  DDD    OOO   N   N
B  B  R  R  A  A  NN  N  D  D  O   O  NN  N
BBB   RRR   AAAA  N N N  D  D  O   O  N N N 
B  B  R R   A  A  N  NN  D  D  O   O  N  NN
BBB   R  R  A  A  N   N  DDD    OOO   N   N
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From: august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August)
Subject: Re: Oilers
Organization: LESC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:12:29 GMT

dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU (David Brown) writes:

: 3.  Is there any news on William Fuller and/or Chris Dishman?  I saw a trade
: rumor concerning the Dish the other day ( Dishman for Atlanta's Andre Rison).
: Is there anything to that rumor?  It seems that it is a possibility, because 
: the Oilers appear to be loaded with DB's.
:

I saw in Sunday's paper that Houston won't let Dishman go.  I'm glad
they stood up for him; I believe he is one of the key elements on "D".
Nevertheless the contract negotiations are still pending.
 

--

The rayster             ** Go Oilers
                        ** Go Braves
                        ** Bulls in 93

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From: erk@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (eric.r.kierstead)
Subject: Cardinals Basic Problems on Offense (was:Butch Rolle)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:56:22 GMT

> who said the Cards need a great blocking fullback since the OL
> is so poor at runblocking. Well in today's roster 260 lb. Plan B 
       ...

     I was the one who said the Cards need a legitimate blocking
     back in the spirit of Maurice Carthon, and I was REAL happy
     too when I saw that  260lb. Butch Rolle was listed as a RB on the
     roster.

     However, I didn't really say that because the OL is bad at
     run blocking...I said that because in the current format,
     the Cards offense is WAY too predictable.  Since they have
     1 back and no receiving threat at TE, their offense is reduced
     to: 1) hand off to RB, or 2) pass to WR.  They need something
     a little less vanilla flavored, especially since they have
     no superstars, and because they are in an unGodly tough division.

     I always thought the thing that made the Giants offense work so well
     during their heyday ('85-'90) was: 1) A legitimate and dangerous
     receiving threat at TE (Bavaro), and 2) A bone-rattling blocker
     at FB (Carthon).  I think that Bugel has to get at least 1 of these
     things into the Cards offense FAST if he wants to enjoy the
     Phoenix lifestyle for another year ;-) .

Eric K.
From: bonar@math.rutgers.edu (Doug Bonar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Delpino info
Keywords: I know, its been asked
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:41:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Ok, another anoying Fantasy Football posting.

I got Delpino (Rams) in the draft for the FFL I'm in.  I don't mind, I
like my RB set-up.  I am a little uninformed about how things are 
shaping up in LA though.  

Is there a Ram's fan out there (maybe I should stop there :-) ) who
can tell me what the RB situation is there?  Who is getting the 
carries, how are they doing, who is signed, etc.?  

Doug
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: U.s.F.L. team names
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:19:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug27.113443.67@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> jwbever@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>Does anybody remember the names of all the U.S.F.L. teams?

Most of them. Which year did you want?

(From an ex-Houston Gamblers fan... Boy, watching Jim Kelly run the Run-and-
Shoot was fun, especially with Ricky Sanders and Clarence Verdin to throw to.
30 points a game was always a given, and 50 points was not uncommon.)
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From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Top 5 Defenses?
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <kebafj200awN0AAlcm@andrew.cmu.edu>, jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph E. Beck) writes...
>>>I'm curious about peoples view on the best DEEE's this year.
>>>
>>>I'd say:
>>>1. Houston
>>>2. Denver
>>>3. Chicago
>>>4. Washington
>>>5. New Orleans
> 
>2 questions: 
>What are Houston and Denver doing 1st and 2nd?

	Just my opinion of two defenses who will rise in a big way.
	Not many weaknesses of great significance on either. In particular
	Houston.

As for the others:
	Chicago:  They have prob. 7 players in the front 7 positions
		who have never started and have 5 or less yrs. of
		experience and they play the AFC CENTRAL which, except
		for Houston, doesn't have offensive powerhouses and 2
		new coaching staffs.
	Washington: Was dominant and somewhat lucky(but you make your luck)
		last year and I feel they will fall back a little (not much
		though, I think pettibone is THE best).  Secondary may hurt?
	New Orleans: While I wouldn't EVER want to play against those LB's
		(not that I can play football).  Their secondary was
		undressed at the end of the yr. by Atlanta and I think
		teams might take some advantage of that.  This is the "D"
		I feel I may have underrated.

>Where's Philadelphia?
	As for Phili, if J. Brown hadn't tragically died, I would have them
	NO LOWER than #2.  But he was a **STAR** and leader and you just
	CAN'T imho replace a man of his caliber overnight or in 1 season.
	I hope they play with his loss as motivation, because emotion in
	sports is the SINGLE GREATEST thing to watch for me (ex. Detroit '91).
	The other major factor in the eagle equation is Allens holdout
	and some weakness (ala Saints) in the secondary.

Thank god the season starts in a week.
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!		i am.
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From: a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan)
Subject: Re: WANTED: patriots mailing list
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.181451.5540@unlinfo.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:

>>I'm looking to join the Patriots Mailing list if there is one out there
>>in the small world.

>Me too.  Perhaps someone near Boston (or anyone who knows the scoop on the
>P's) would like to start a 'Patriots News' like the Redskins, Lions, and
>others have on r.s.f.p.
>--
>mike gleason, NCEMRSoft.                                  mgleason@cse.unl.edu
>                    "Fock you oss hoel" -- A. Schwarzenegger


Well, I'll give it a shot.  I don't have a paper in front of me right now,
so I'm just shooting stuff off the top of my head.

MacPherson is taking a don't worry attitude about the poor performance in
the preseason so far.  They haven't prepared a full game plan for any of 
the games so far.  The 42-9 Detriot fiasco is being compared to last year's
46-0 Phoenix failure.  It was the same situation then--no complete game 
plans.  They will have a complete plan for the Packers game, as they did
last year for the Giants preseason finale.  The Pats won that game; hope
they do the same this week.

Hunter was placed on injured reserve.

Chung (1st Round Draft Pick) will play his first preseason game this week.
His father died not too long ago and he's been bugged by a hip flexor, so
he hasnt seen any playing time.  He'll also start at tackle in place of 
Harlow, who's recovering from surgery.  Harlow hopes to be ready by the
Rams game (9/13 I think).  MacPherson's concerned about the line, which
he should be after 10 sacks in detroit.

They're also concerned about the secondary.  They're young and they're not
expecting any miracles from them.

Millen hasn't been doing as well as expected at  QB so far.  No TDs and
a bunch of interceptions.  He's still the starter, though.

Veris is holding out last I heard.  He's the last holdout.

I'll get a list of the cuts earlier this week.

Hope this helps you guys out.

Take Care,
 
John 



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From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:57:54 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> =Don Mocnik writes:

>The trade is done, according to WGN - Chicago and WKNR - Cleveland, 
>Jay Hilgenberg to Cleveland for a conditional 4th round draft choice in 1993. 

>Any comments from some Bear fans?

This sucks sh*t.


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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm surprised to find no comments about saturday's preseason finale between the
Washington Redskins and the Minnesota Vikings. It was hard to believe that I was
watching the Super Bowl champions playing. Washington played most of their 
first stringers going into the forth. Offensively the Redskins never got it
going. Of course Rypien's three interceptions didn't help. I know preseason
doesn't mean anything, but with the first regular season game a week away, 
losing 30-0 at home to the Vikings is not a way to get a team ready to play
the Dallas Cowboys in Dallas on a Monday night game. With the work ethic some
of these players have had over the summer, it doesn't look like their going
to repeat as champs. Another thing I noticed during the game was how poorly
Jim Lachey looked. He looked like a player who had missed camp. It'll be
interesting to see if Gibbs can coach this team to another divisional crown.
Personally I wouldn't bet on it.


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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Steelers waive Ricketts
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:35:46 GMT


Apparently the Steelers have waived OL Tom Ricketts, their 1st round
draft pick in '89.  I haven't followed his career too closely; why did
they give up on him?
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)