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From: choffman@adobe.com (Charles Hoffman)
Subject: Re: READ THIS! O'Brien's Rank! (*Minor Spoilers*)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:50:23 GMT

In article <C179xG.IMD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> "Sir" is not necessarily an indicator of rank either.  

Tell this to my DI in basic training.  Quoting from memory (Blasted into my 
ear from 3" away at over 75 db):

"Don't you call me sir! You call me sergeant! I work for a living"
8-)

I hope that it turns out that O'Brian is enlisted.  There is a vast difference
in attitude and personality between Junior Enlisted, Senior Enlisted, Junior
Officers, Senior Officers, and Flag Officers.  Makes for better story lines.
(Check out the "Forever War" by Joe Haldeman for a good example.)

I have known many senior enlisted NCO's who could have become officers, but 
choose not to for various reasons.  These NCO's held advanced college degrees 
and often taught the officers under whom they served.  Some NCO's did not 
want to participate in the political aspects of the military leadership game.
Some did not want the loss of respect/position/power that resulted in dropping
from the senior enlisted ranks to the lowest officer ranks.  Others were
discouraged by the near impossiblity of rising beyond 0-3 (Captain/Lt) for
former enlisted.  I also knew many officers who would have been more effective
in enlisted slots. (Lousy leaders but good workers.)

Charles Hoffman           You are not judged by how much you love,
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: DSN: Number of episodes?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:50:40 GMT


	Does anyone know for sure how many episodes there are
going to be in this first season.  I worked out on my calendar
that there would have to be the two-hour premiere and 17
one-hour episodes in order for it to finish at the same time
that TNG does (mid-september).  This is assuming that they'll
cut the first season short so they can can back onto a normal
season-time this september.
						-Quinn
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Attack of the Creeping Accent
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:41:16 GMT


First we had a French Captain with a British accent, and now we
have a middle-eastern doctor with a British accent.  What does this
tell us about the world of the Federation?  France has a British
accent, Russia has a Russian accent, China has a Chinese accent, 
and the Middle East (or at least the part of it that Dr. Bashir
comes from) has a British accent.  Seems like Britain has conquered
a lot of the world--or at least their accent has.  :)

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From: dmend@ctp.com (Daniel J. Mendez)
Subject: Re: Q
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:03:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.012931.8189@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>
>I'm surprised at your lack of imagination.  I happen to like the Q episodes a
>lot.  As far as him being nearly omnipotent, I don't see that as a violation
>of the shows scientific theme at all.  Rather, the presence of such a being
>indicates that there are many things that our sciences haven't encountered,
>or are able to explain.
>
 If I had the kind of imagination that enabled me to believe in the existence
of omnipotent beings I would be attending church on Sunday nights instead of
watching Star Trek.
>Flame if you will.
>
>Sanjai Rao.
>
 Happy to oblige.
	Daniel Me'ndez.

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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: Standard = English ??
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:53:52 GMT


I thought I read somewhere that the language used in the UFP and that is
called Standard is really nothing else than plain and simple ENGLISH.
Please correct me if I picked that up incorrectly !

-Nicolas
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: First Impressions Review -- ST: DS9: "Babel" ** SPOILERS GALORE**
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:04:28 GMT

(Yeah, I guess there's a minor spoiler in here...blank lines ahead)



















One small thing the writers of "Babel" forgot that I'm sure is Science-Fiction
Canon: You ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS make a counteragent; that way, if
there's an accident, you don't have to worry!

"Aha! I have developed a virus that will slowly destroy the cartilage in a
living creature's body--when released, it will turn everybody in the
country into a bag of goo!"
<<CRASH!>>
"Oops..."

Jay (=
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From: borys@skyfox
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Norm Peterson of DSN
Date: 21 JAN 93 15:19:55 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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In the three episodes to date, almost every bar scene includes this one
tall alien with brown skin and a neck that reminds me of Beaker from the
Muppet Show.  If this guy doesn't ship out soon, the writers are going to have
to make up lines for him:

Quark: "Hey Grog, how does a beer sound?"
Grog: "I dunno; I usually drink it before it gets a word in."

(don't worry, I won't quit my day job)


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From: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:09:44 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
>Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg writes
>>As a French native I simply say: It is not !!
>
>I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
>American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet that
>most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear. 
>
>Was it a conversation in French or just some French words every now
>and again (just like how his French family and friends *in France*
>choose to speak English to one another but greet each other with a
>"Salut" or "Bonjour" every once in a while)?

	It was several lines of exchange. Much like the lines of French
spoken in "Time's Arrow I" between Data and the card dealer. Also, Picard
sings a song in French in "Chain of Command II", as well as speaking 
French while undergoing extreme torture (no simple feat of acting, I might 
add). I'm sure other posters can come up with more examples of French 
dialogue that goes beyond "Bonjour".

	Stewart also spoke a long greeting in a made-up language
in "The Big Goodbye". That particular episode had a race that was big
on protocol and insisted that others learn their language before they
would initiate diplomatic contact.

>As much as he is paid, I would think he could take French lessons and
>learn to speak the language.  Other people who perform in other
>languages, such as opera singers, learn to speak the language and they
>are paid far less than Patrick Stewart.

	Well, he *is* a classically-trained, Shakesphearan actor. I don't
think Star Trek is the extent of his resume. Considering that Stewart
*has* spent his life mastering Shakesphere, I think your comment about 
"he could take French lessons" comes off as, well, "snooty".


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From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
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Subject: TNG's Funniest Moments
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:20:12 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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I have to agree with the person who was talking about "Pen Pals". Riker asks
Picard how deep they were in trouble by allowing Data to beam to the surface
to rescue his friend. Picard, using his hand, indicated about the level
to rescue Data's friend. Picard, using his hand, shows it to be face level.
Later when Data brings his friend to the Enterprise, Picard tells Riker
private that they are "that" high, over their heads.
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Subject: Bathrooms `answered'
From: Philip J. Comins <PJCHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 12:10:57 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

    Not to be vulgar, but James (Jimmy) Dohan always says at the conventions
that he appears in that THAT is what phasers are for!
    Of course, most of you probably have heard him say that. As I recall,
there's no space allotted in any of the deck plans in the blueprints booklets
that you can buy.
                                                       - Philip J. Comins
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: Nana Vistor's acting (was Re: Avery Brook's acting)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <ewright.728083824@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com writes:

> In <C1F7Es.4us@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> 
> >     flat, believability breaks down.  I'd say Brooks should look to
> >     Nana Visitor for a bit of nuance -- "There's your wormhole!" "...
> >     since I was old enough to pick up a phaser."  Etc.  
> 
> Nana Visitor is capable of nuances?
> 
> Screaming every line is surely just as bad as reading them in
> a dead monotone.  After a while, the audience filters out the
> screaming (because "Kira always screams") and hears it as a
> monotone.  There's nothing wrong with a character being angry,
> but to be realistic, a character has to be capable of *some*
> emotions besides anger.

  Obviously someone who missed "Past Prologue".  Visitor has diplayed more
emotions than just anger, even in the premiere, where she was *supposed* to
be in a bad mood the whole time.  I think she does just fine.


semper fi,

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From: edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (So what's your point?)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clones
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:32:58 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Possible spoilers . . . .


Just in case . . . .


In <1993Jan25.170925.17375@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:

>In the recent DS9 episode "A Man Alone", or something like that,
>Sisko and Odo allow the villian's clone to live.  Why?  What would
>prevent this clone (or, rather, save him) from doing the same thing
>his original did?

I am under the assumption that clones are autonomous entities.

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From: hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran)
Subject: Re: CRITICAL COMMENTS: "A Man Alone"
Organization: NSWC White Oak
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:43:36 GMT

In article <1jvq2uINNidm@mojo.eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:

   ***Spoilers***



   If Deep Space Nine's first season episodes are going to be it's worst,
   this is going to be one *heck* of a show.   



   - The only parts I didn't think were particulary good were the Jake and
   Nog scenes.  They just seem rather pointless, even if they made sense.
   Oh, well, not *everything* is going to work right away.

Actually, this bit seems to have been transferred, at least in essence, from
"Emissary"; the novelization has Jake meeting Nog and getting into (different)
trouble then!  The point seems to be that Jake is at loose ends and will be 
a headache for his father in future episodes - just a growing boy.

hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil


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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: Re
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:27:34 GMT

In article <DsJuXB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:
>I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
>the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
>prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  I take that back.  There is 
>absolutely NO point in doing it and it has a tendency of becoming rather 
>annoying.  The practice no doubt started when people wanted to show that 
>they were responding to something as opposed to starting a new thread or 
>just bringing up a new topic, so they typed Re: (Regarding:).  When 
>upwards of 80% of the posts use it, though, it becomes meaningless.
>
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Subject: Re: Re
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
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Keywords: 

In article <DsJuXB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us (David Cohen) writes:
>I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
>the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
>prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  I take that back.  There is 
>absolutely NO point in doing it and it has a tendency of becoming rather 
>annoying.  The practice no doubt started when people wanted to show that 
>they were responding to something as opposed to starting a new thread or 
>just bringing up a new topic, so they typed Re: (Regarding:).  When 
>upwards of 80% of the posts use it, though, it becomes meaningless.

Who typed "Re:"? I don't know about you, but if the note I'm replying to
doesn't already have an "Re:" in it, my newsreader/poster automatically sticks
it in. So try not to speak for everybody. All sweeping generalizations are
useless. Besides which, I don't particularly find it annoying; au contraire,
it provides me with an excellent way of finding original posts.
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From: varhus@be.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Grammar (was: Re: TNG Companion)
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan25.232052.8649@choate.edu> dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes:
->In article <4812@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
->>In article <mcook.727407595@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com> mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook) writes:
->>You must be a Quayle lover, since the correct term is indeed "Tim and I"  Me
->>is not supposed to be used in that context.
->
->Gee, that's odd. I was always taught to take out the other subject (here,
->elimante the "Tim and") and then see which one works better (me or I). So, in
->this instance, that would indicate it is "me", as in "Like me, Nemecek..."
->instead of "Like I, Nemecek..." So, the sentence should be "Like Tim and me,
->Nemecek started out..."
->
->Have I been told wrong all these years?

No, you haven't been told wrong.  You just need to learn not to believe
ANYTHING you read on the net.  :)

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From: mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook)
Subject: Re: TNG Companion
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:30:39 GMT

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>In article <mcook.727407595@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com> mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook) writes:
><brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

><>In article <9301141436.AA17400@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  14-Jan-1993 0937) writes:
><><annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina) asks:

><><> What is this TNG Companion?
><...

><>Like Tim and I, Nemecek started out doing fan produced guides.  But, unlike
><>Tim and I, he got the book deal :-) :-(

><Perhaps because Nemecek knows when to say "Tim and I" and when to say "Tim
><and me"?  :-)

>You must be a Quayle lover, since the correct term is indeed "Tim and I" Me
>is not supposed to be used in that context.

You would say "Like I, Nemecek started out...  Unlike I, he got the deal"?

Perhaps that explains what the "V" in your name means: "Very much an".  :-)

Michael.
From: z_ofearnask@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: PLEASE READ THIS
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:34:12 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am going to kill three birds with one stone, OK?

I vote for a split, since I don't usually get time to read many of
the news files at one time.  I also have a channel that has already moved DSN 3
times since it began.

IMHO the worst episode was the one that repeated itself about a thousand times
and it turned out that they were in a time loop.  I nearly went insane watching
that one since It happened again and again and ...  

Also, (and lastly) would someone please send me a mail message telling me how
to learn about the KILL and other such commands.


Thanks so Much

Susan O'Fearna
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Man ofthe People" was great!
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1993Jan22.102028.7403@gw.wmich.edu>, x91anderso33@gw writes:
>I've been reading all the replies to my "WORST EPISODE" question, and I gotta
>say that I can't believe you people who bashed "Man of the People." 

Believe it.

>I loved the episode, as it was the best Troi-based episode of TNG that has
>been on yet.

Heh.  Like that's saying anything.  Off the top of my head, I'd say "The Price"
and "Masterpiece Society" were probably the best Troi-oriented shows.

>The story may not have been first rate,

The story was pretty much a re-tread of "Portrait of Dorian Gray".  This is
not necessarily a Bad Thing; "The Mind's Eye" is a re-tread of "The Manchurian
Candidate", and is one of TNG's best efforts.

What really bites about MotP is the way it's told.  Nothing is surprising;
even if you hadn't seen the preview for it the previous week, you *know*
who the bad guy is before the opening credits roll.  I had seen the preview
from the previous week, so I didn't believe for a second that the old lady
was his mother, and was fairly sure she was his current "victim".

The first half of the episode is a foot-dragging set-up of this incredibly
transparent premise.  Another example of "Something's Wrong With A Crewmember,
But No-One Notices" syndrome.  Even when Troi acts completely out of character
(including giving Riker a nasty scratch) the only reaction it provokes (the
next day!) is "gee... maybe somebody ought to go and check on her..."

Once the crew (finally) realize something is wrong, the plot is resolved in
a workmanlike manner, and the apparent extensive physical damage to Troi's
body is deus-ex-machina'ed away in a single wipe of ILM's morphing wand.

So we have
  -an unoriginal premise, unoriginally presented
  -the crew made to look dumb as door-posts
  -an uninteresting resolution
  -a deus-ex-machina ending

>but we finally got to see Troi
>turn into a REAL bitch (nice after 5 years of uppity niceness!).

BFD.  Getting to see Troi say something besides "I sense deception" does
not make a great episode in my book.

>Of course, I also like the dress thatshe wore into Ten-Forward thatshowed off
>her ample cleavage (I know, I'm a sexist pig!)!!

Getting to see Marina Sirtis' clevage doesn't make a great episode in my book
either.  If I wanted to look at tits, there's lots better choices than TNG
anyway.

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