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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Re: Suplex definition
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:11:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.224813.10109@ac.dal.ca>, jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
> In article <C0pBqL.EE6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
> >   After reading the current discussion for defining a suplex, I thought a
> > bit and came up with one:
> > 
> >   A suplex is a move where you get a certain hold on your opponent, lift him
> > and fall backwards.
> 
> ...but what about a belly-to-belly suplex? You turn the guy around and
> fall forward. I don't think we'll ever come up with a foolproof definition.

   A belly-to-belly suplex fits this description.  If you notice, you lift
your opponent, fall backwards, then turn.  In the amateurs, it is more obvious
that this is how the move is done (turn while you are falling back), it just
looks like your turning and then falling in the pros because guys jump into
the move to make it look nicer.



  PS  Scott Steiner's tilt-a-whirl is a slam, and most people refer to it as
the "tilt-a-whirl slam."  So I got lucky there.
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Steiners etc.,
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:04:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

BR>I didn't watch the NWA back then, but didn't Kevin Sullivan start
  >a "Varsity Club" with Rick Steiner and Mike Rotundo with one of
  >the gimmicks being that they wrestled in amateur wrestling outfits,
  >including the headgear?  I always thought that Rick Steiner just
  >never dropped the headgear part of the gimmick.

I only ever remember Steiner wearing the headgear.  He was always
treated as the bastard stepchild by the group, which of course, mean
that he turn face.
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From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 20:40:56 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

dennett@acadia.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett) writes:

> Wait a minute.  This wouldn't be Lex Lugar finally coming into the
> WWF, would it?  Please, tell me it ain't so.....
 
I don't know for sure, but it looks like it. And the beauty of the angle is 
this: Vince doesn't have to let him wrestle until March.
 
The only problem: WCW sued when Lex started appearing on WWF syndies 
promoting the WBF, and Luger's release agreement won't let him appear on 
another syndie until March.
 
I just thought of a solution: Narcissus could wear a mask until WM9, then 
Hennig could unmask him as Luger. Of course, it doesn't have to be Luger all 
the time, and even if it is, if they do it right, no one could tell.
 
--Don

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 01:23:30 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: [WCW] What happened to Ole as ref?
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Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


I thought they were goinf to use Ole Anderson for a ref on
any matches that meant anything (i.e. non-squashes).  Did
they decide it wasn't worth the $$$ or what?

		--Otto "Minnesota Hacking Crew" Heuer

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: WCW Rescue? Does Turner Listen?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:06:27 GMT

In <1id1d1INNkq0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:

>them be exciting to watch. Actually, my main beef with the Whiff is that 
>lately, the faces are dominating. No heel can beat any face who's better than
>Virgil or Tito Santana, unless it's to win a title. Does anyone agree?

Has this not been the history of the entire WWF? Face champion after
face champion. Hogan ruled for nearly a decade, Backlund for 6 years,
Bruno forever before that.

The only time the heels ever get anything is in the I-C and tag
divisions.

Michael

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Hogan on TNN
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:15:00 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <lkmlgvINN37t@news.bbn.com> temehs@ccs1.bbn.com writes:

+>I saw the full Hogan interview on TNN. He went over in detail about steroids
+>and basically said that he did use them, but is off now. He amitted to more
+>than he did on Arsenio, and seemed to be more honest. 

	I wonder if the WWF was pressuring him to deny any (knowing) use of 
Steriods during the Arsenio show or he has just decided to stop the lies.


+>He also took claim for
+>the 'Eye Of The Tiger" theme music saying that Vince did want him to use it
+>and that he(Hogan) paid off the sound guy to play it. He also tried to say he
+>was the first to use theme music. (NOT!!!  Remember the late Leroy Brown ,
+>Hulk????) 

	Or the Original Freebirds for that matter.  


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From: skar@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Hart etc.,
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:32:24 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <q798wB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> wolvie@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (christopher motherway) writes:
>hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley) writes:
>
>> in the january issue of memphis magazine, there is an article about
>> memphis in the 60's.  one of the rock groups started in memphis, were
>> "the gentrys"  jimmy hart is listed as a member.  is this the same
>> jimmy hart of the wwf?
>> 
>> Alan-
>
>Yep.  Same guy.  Kinda makes you wish he stayed that way, right?  He 
>DOES, believe it or not, have a good singing voice (did "Eat Your Heart 
>Out, Rick Springfield" for 'The Wrestling Album' and "Crank It Up" for 
>'Piledriver').  It's his TALKING voice I can't take!!!

For the WWF Pay-per-view The Slammies, he did a version of Girls in
Cars....I wish I could find his version on one of the albums...He
did it very well.
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From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Narcissus - We all KNOW who it is
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:45:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
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In a previous article, kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman) says:

[stuff deleted about Jim Garvin's past]
>
>You didn't even mention the AWA, where he resided '84-'86. He was a pretty
>big heel there, and he held the tag titles with Steve "Mr. Electricity"
>Regal by beating the Road Warriors(!) with help from Michael Hayes. His "It's
>not my fault" schtick was in full force in Minnesota.
>| Lou Kipilman - University of California, Santa Cruz    TEAM SLACK       |

Even many years after it happened, and knowing how wrestling is booked,
I still don't understand how the AWA/Gagne had the Road Warriors lose
to that team, no matter how many Freebords interfered. I mean, Steve Regal?
Come one.....
Bill

-- 
Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Belts
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:14:40 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan11.144013.26540@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, karnecki@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (The Jian) writes:
> 
> BTW, does anyone knows by chance, who has the Million-Dollar-Belt from Ted 
> DiBiasi ? Last time I saw it was when the Repo Man took it at a fight between
> Virgil and Million-Dollar-Man (alalalalong alalalalong time ago )

The belt went from DiBiase to Virgil to DiBiase and then disappeared into
DiBiase's trophy case. When Money Inc. first won the belts, there was
no longer any need for Ted to tote around the phoney belt.

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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: realism?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes:

SM>In pro-wrestling, there's only so much flippity-flopping around that I can
  >watch before it seems very unrealistic to me, which is why, in the FWF, the
  >guys who mimic Jushin Liger are few and far between.  If you'll look in that
  >UseNet list of votes for the "most overrated wrestler" list, you'll notice t
  >Mr. Liger got a first place vote.  Any wild guesses as to who placed that vo

So are we to assume that in the FWF, slow, plodding big men are kings?
I stopped watching the WWF for JUST that reason!

SM>I'm not saying that Jushin Liger has no ability.  My digression from this
  >group's proclamation of his godhood, however, is based first upon the fact
  >that a guy like Vader, who I regard to be the best superheavy in the world,
  >could leave this guy fit to be taken out of the ring with a mop and a broom,

This argument treats Pro Wrestling as if it were a shoot.  In that case,
the biggest, meanest guy would win.  This is Pro Wrestling.

  >Japanese guys do is all that impressive.  Guys like Hase, Chono, or Muta, I
  >can stomach.  They are mat wrestlers who do some aerial moves.  Liger, howev
  >is more of an aerial attacker who does some mat moves.  When he doesn't do
  >aerial moves, people start griping that he's wasted.  That pretty much says
  >all.  He's just too much an aerial flopper to get any enthusiasm from me.

I have to take a major exception to this.  I have seen at least 100 of
Liger's matches and he is among the best mat wrestlers in the world.
Because of his other skills, he is rarely used that way but he has the
talent.  And we moan about his use in WCW not because he does not fly,
but because he is mostly used a jobber.
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: just read....
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:13:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.195920.13298@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Baldridge@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Baldridge) writes:
>In article <72.410.uupcb@darkside.gwinnett.com> dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
>
>>As I remember, it derived from his goofball gimmick.  I always thought
>>that the headgear and the unmatching boots were kind of cool.
>
>I always wondered why someone would wrestle someone with headgear
>since they would be at a disadvantage since Rick would have more protection.
>

But on the other hand, what is there to protect?! ;^}


>terry



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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Wrestling Insiders Tidbits
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Jan 93 05:54:28 GMT

Here are some minor tidbits that I caught on the radio last night:

1. Greg Gagne is a part of that new WCW booking committee.

2. Madusa will be leaving WCW, and may hook up with Shawn Michaels in the WWF.

3. Hogan's deal with Japan is completely off.

4. The chances of Razor Ramon beating Hart at RR are slim and none...and slim
just walked out the door!

5. Sting is the highest paid wrestler now in North America, making $800,000
a year. He will be with WCW for 2 and 1/2 more years.

6. Jake Roberts is wrestling in Puerto Rico with the AWF, which is booked by
former WWF manager Frenchy Martin.


--

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
From: joepet@sprockets.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow)
Subject: Re: 1/4 Tokyo Egg Dome Show 
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:58:46 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: joepet@sprockets.engin.umich.edu


#> NWA & IWGP title match:
#> Muta beat Chono to unify the world titles with the two consecutive 
#> moonsault.

#YES!!  I was hoping for this for several reasons:
#
#1. I've loved Mut[ao]'s wrestling since his days as the Super black Ninja
#   and when he was managed by Gary Hart.

Yeech!  Don't tell me it was Muta who played that guy who jobbed for
Ultimate Warrior on his first SNME I-C title defense!!!
 
Joe Petrow
joepet@engin.umich.edu
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Tapes for sale?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:

HK>  I can't speak for others but my motives were just to spread around
  >  the material.  It's nice to make a little profit for all the
  >  hassles involved in the process but I didn't mean to set the s
  >  (high) norm for pricing.  I was worried about getting swamped if
  >  I only asked for $15 (remember, cost is about $12) and the people
  >  I was e-mailing with suggested increasing the price and picked
  >  $25 as a "fair" price.  I guess this took into consideration the

As Herb says, there is a a definte cost involved.  My personal cost was
a bit higher since Eric did a lot of the leg work, hell ALL of the leg
work, and had to be compensated.  BTW, he did not ask for compensation,
it was offered.

When I agreed to do a tape, the 25 dollar price was set.  I went with
that price.  Joey Richard offered a great suggestion to make the next
tape 8 hours, for the same price.  That is fine by me and that will be
the first thing on the ballot to be voted on.

  >  fact that I spent several months educating interested people about
  >  what I had to offer before they chose a ballot which was eventually
  >  voted on.  The "fair" price did not serve its purpose, though.

I however think that 25 dollars is a very fair price.  My last tape was
almost a "Best of" tape for 1992.  Since I am lucky enough to get
original quality tapes for most of my collection, the video quality was
said to be outstanding from everyone who wrote.  When you consider that
you get a 6 hour tapes filled with great matches for the same price you
would pay for a WWF or WCW PPV, it is very fair.

HK>  I made the tape because I was asked and I would make another one if
  >  I were asked again I suppose, with the exact same (perhaps long-winded)
  >  processes involved.  But there's no way I would ask for $25.  Nope,
  >  open the floodgates and ask for $15.

HK>  With apologies to Dave & JoMOsh,
  >                                                            Herb...

No need to apologize to me.  I feel that me doing the tape is fair for
everyone.  And people have the choice of buying it or not.  I was
originally asked to do the tape because of my large tape collection and
I will be doing another one within a month.

However, since I was going to do an 8 hour tape for 25 dollars this
time, I will change the question to read:

The group can either choose a 6 hour tape for 20 dollars or an 8 hour
tape for 25 dollars.
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Steiners etc.,
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:

MB>D :As I remember, it derived from his goofball gimmick.  I always thought
  >D :that the headgear and the unmatching boots were kind of cool.

MB> The headgear is derived from Amateur Wrestling, wouldn't You agree?
  >Weren't both Brothers State Champions??

That, of course, is why he wears it.  It started when he was the goofy
one in the Varsity club.
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From: cm775@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rick Scaia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Another RSPW Tape (match list cont.)
Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:19:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In a recent post, Joseph Avolio says...
> 19. Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair (10/25/91) Oakland Coliseum
>     -Excellent quality raw footage of the historic first meeting
>      between these two.  An excellent match (unbelieveable by
>      Hogan's standards).

I guess in trying to make the "hard sell," Mr. Avolio forgot 
about the REAL "historic first encounter" between Hogan and Flair.
It took place right here in Dayton, Ohio, at a TV taping on
October 22, 1991.  However, it wasn't nearly as exciting as the
"reverse decision" match booked on later cards, including (if
I recall) the card in Oakland.  The first meeting ended in Hulk
Hogan being counted out, and the surprisingly knowledgeable
crowd celebrating wildly.  The match was nothing special, and
wasn't even on the card originally; Roddy Piper was a no-show 
for his match against Flair and (to the amazement and delight of
marks and non-marks alike) replaced by Hogan.  Maybe the short
notice was the reason for the average match and cop-out ending.

BTW, do I get a free copy of the tape for calling your bluff?  :)

-- 
Rick Scaia                               "If I die before I wake,
University of Dayton                      Hope I don't
scaiarij@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu           Come back a steak."
"Future WWF World Champion"                    - Kurt Cobain
From: dweller@husc8.harvard.edu (David Weller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: PWI Awards
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:37:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan8.113715.19099
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


The Pro-Wrestling Illustrated Awards issue came out.  I'll try to post
the results later but I had a question:

Are the awards a complete work (i.e., fan ballots are thrown away),
a partial work (i.e., ballots are counted, but if there's a result that 
the editors don't like, they'll change it) or real (with the exception of 
the vote totals, which are obviously as worked as WWF attendance figures)?

-- Chris
From: ar389@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Perrine Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Yokozuna + Kamala
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:16:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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i was wondering if anybody knows the history of Yokozuna or Kamala like real
names and backround info, i would appriciate any informatin you can give me
later


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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: NarSissy
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:06:01 GMT


Does anyone have a clue as to who will be playing "NarSissy" (Narcissus). Yet another Arrogant(tm) heel!
Saw in the current Rolling Stone that "Slam Jam" is the #4 song in Great Britain!. Then again, "Cher's Greatest Hits" is the #1 album, so make of that what
you will. I have not heard it myself; does it rock?


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From: Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: CWUSA: Update on the Updates
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:16:40 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

Jan 93 12:07, Jewell@data-Io.com (cal Jewell) wrote:

 JIJ> It looks like CWUSA is off the air. 

 JIJ> Does anybody know what happened to CWUSA's cable deal?


They still had TV there last night...and I did not hear of anything
suggesting they lost it.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu (christopher r. zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: PWI Funnies...
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:26:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <ventura.726556783@camelot> Brian Wawczak writes:
>One of the best reader Acheivement Awards for '92:
>
>Underrated Match of the Year:
>Virgil vs. Louie Spicoli on Prime Time Wrestling 
>                   -William Wright II, Pearl City, HI
>
>BWHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!            
>

Hold thy BWHAAAAA, Brian.  While maybe not of the YEAR, this was a good
match, at least by PrimeTime standards.  Good ol' Spiccoli keeps it close,
and besides, how many other wrestlers would try to pull Virg's hair?
Compared to syndie retreads, this match was a downright pleasure.  Besides,
this William Wright II guy probably only watches the WWF.  Give him a break.

Christopher Zimmerman           =I have my Royal Rumble ticket=
  / kzim@watserv.ucr.edu / kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu / zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu /
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Wrestl
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton) writes:

MC>You forgot to mention the oldest of all, Mongolian Stompaer(Archie Gould)
  >who Meltzer reported to be 57 years old.  I wonder how well he can work?

Surprisingly, not too bad.  Given his gimmick, he really just has to
brawl so, much like Abdullah, he can still be effective.
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