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From: pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen)
Subject: NCR Hardware as Personal Computers
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:29:10 GMT


I've noticed that several (many?) people are using older NCR machines
(MiniTowers, XPs) as personal computers and I'd like to see if there
is interest in starting a mailing list specifically on that topic.
Specific subjects might be:
  
     - system maintenance tips for SVR2 
     - hardware maintenance on a low budget 
     - installing/using public-domain software (I've ported GNU Emacs
       to my MiniTower)
     - sources of inexpensive replacement/enhancement hardware.
     - ... other appropriate topics.

If you're interested, please respond to me at
"pcolsen@super.super.org"  If there is enough interest, I'll scout up
some list-serve software for my home machine (an NCR MiniTower).

Peter
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: notarus@uiuc.edu (Mark Notarus)
Subject: info wanted on the NCR 1632 please! :)
Reply-To: notarus@uiuc.edu (Mark Notarus)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:20:12 GMT


 I just bought a used NCR 1632....apparently it's a 68010 processor, and
is runng SYS5r2....

 And that's about all i really know about it.  The price was right, but
i have some simple questions.

  Does NCR support it?  Can i get an updated release of UNIX for it?
even SYS5r3 would be nice, but r4 preferably...

 any information someone can provide would be great.


mark

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From: dgm@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Debby Morley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: NCR Voice Management System
Keywords: NCR, VMS
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:55:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

I am having difficulty getting the 1200b modem that came with my NCR Voice
Management System to work with communication protocols other than the PC Talk
that it came with.  It seems that the VMODEM.COM command isn't doing what it
should.  Any ideas as to what the problem might be or where I can get support
for this product would be appreciated.
From: rey@safn2 (rey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: Full backups on Tower 700
Summary: remove slinks when going single user.
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:11:12 GMT
Organization: SAF Customer Service, Atlanta GA


I have to remove slinks on my 450/32 running 3.01.??.

I wrote a script to read a file where all slinks are located.
It slinks when going multiuser and removes the links when going
single user. Find the appropriate /etc/rc place for the script.

The only problem I have is that users have to tell me (the sa, or am I now a va)
when to add a slink to the file for the system.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: dan@korg1.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (my comments)
Subject: Re: Newer OS Releases for NCR Tower XP
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:01:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.190401.18831@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes:
>The question has come up here if there have been any newer releases of 
>System V for the NCR Tower XP than what we have.  We are running 3.01.00,
>which seems to be essentially System 5 release 2, with some Berkeley
>utilities (like csh).
>--
>			    Jeffrey J. Wieland
>		      Communication Systems Programmer
>		        Agricultural Computer Network
>
>    INTERNET: wieland@acn.purdue.edu		ENTM 216
>    BITNET:   WIELAND@PURCCVM			Purdue University
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>    FAX:      (317)494-8342			(317)494-8333

Ask your NCR rep. for the latest O.S. release for LPID# D509-2243
This is the Product ID number for the TOWER XP.  If memory serves,
there is a 3.02.00 Base O.S. and a 3.02.02 O.S. update.  I know there
are Release Definition files on these tapes which describe all new
features/fixes.  You may also be able to order a hardcopy of these
RelDefs but I'm not sure.

Can I interest you in a TOWER 32/750?  With its M68040 processor
(compared to the XP's M68010 processor) and three integrated SCSI
channels, the T32/750 is probably a 20-30X improvement over your XP.

Better yet, ask you rep. about our NCR System 3000 Family...

Good Luck!

------------------------------------------------------
  Dan Schallenkamp, NCR MCPD-Columbia
  UNIX Uniprocessor Server Business Unit

  email: dan.schallenkamp@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM

  Phone: (803)791-6393    US Mail:  NCR Corp, Dept 775
    FAX: (803)791-6264              3325 Platt Springs Road
  VoicePlus:  632-6393              West Columbia, SC 29170
From: runar@ncrnorw.Norway.NCR.NO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: NCR 3390
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:52:41 GMT
Distribution: world

Date:	Sep. 26, 1992

In article <1129@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>
anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko) writes:
> 
>     I have a question regarding the NCR 3390 (286 clone).  It has an 
older
> BIOS which does not recognize my VGA card that was installed in it.
> Is there a BIOS upgrade for it?
> 
>     Also, is there a *software* method of making the CMOS/BIOS work
> with the card?  It's has TSENG chips on the VGA card, BTW...
> 

NCR 3390 is not a clone!  It is a AT compatible 286 PC!!

It contains a Mari Curie board and I think the latest BIOS i 4.8

The Mari Curie board can you also find in PC810, PC710, 3392
and in NCR vertical platform products.
All this products are no longer available (dereleased for a long time ago).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: mikef@progress.COM (Michael Furgal)
Subject: NCR 386 5.4 signals
Keywords: signals
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:07:18 GMT


Has anyone had any problems with NCR's implementation of signal handling
in their PC (386/486) 5.4 release?

Specifically we have an application that traps SIGTERM and SIGINT (as 
well as others), but at time when these 2 signals are sent in 
quick succession, we might not be getting both of them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Bedford Ma.  01730
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ncr:458 misc.forsale.computers:36020
From: bill@WLK.COM (Bill Kennedy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NCR Tower 32/450 for sale
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:40:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrangler.1992Oct6.004010.23825
Distribution: na
Organization: W. L. Kennedy Jr. & Associates

I'd rather not, but I need to sell the 32/450.  It's a 20MHz 68020 with
16K cache, 8MB main memory, 170MB SCSI disk, 150MB SCSI tape, two serials
on the CPU card, eight serials on the HPSIO-8, and a CMC ethernet card.
If need be, I can throw in a Televideo 955 terminal (one of the ones va
knows about).

The hardware is probably worth the asking price of $4,500 but it also has
Vr3.1 (latest release), TCP+ from Sea Change (everything you'd expect in a
fully featured TCP/IP plus bwnfsd), and NCR NFS.  The software alone costs
half what I'm asking for the whole thing.

The machine functioned reliably and faithfully as the gate keeper here and
the only reason it was retired was because I need to do serial IP (SL/IP or
PPP) for my Internet gateway and I wanted serial speed > 19,200bps with
hardware flow control and modem control.  This is a real workhorse, it will
serve you well as a primary data entry machine or NFS file server (with more
disk space).  It's FOB San Antonio, TX, a good deal to upgrade or supplement
an existing system.  Email please.
-- 
Bill Kennedy            bill@tyche.WLK.COM   |     Real friends don't let
                                             |     friends drive Novell
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: murray@centi.cs.umn.edu (William Murray)
Subject: Full backups on Tower 700
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:12:15 GMT

I am fairly new to the NCR line of Unix systems and I would appreciate
any insight that people may have concerning the following problem.

When using VA to make a Full partition backup of a root disk on one
of our systems, an error occurs when it trys to make a file list.
The program will not continue any further at that point.  A backup 
cannot complete.

I put a call into NCR Software support and they said it was because
we have symbolic links in the partition.   And, that because of this
we would have to remove all the symbolic links before doing the backup
and then restore them after it is complete.  Well, this seems to me to
be an unacceptable way to deal with full backups.

One question I have is whether this IS the reason why the backup fails?
Has anyone run across this problem?

The other question I have is if I do a volcopy on the partition, will
I have the same problem(since I assume that VA uses volcopy to do the
actual backup).


Thanks alot for any help given.

-Will Murray
 murray@cs.umn.edu

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University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: NCR 3390 (harddisk and memory)
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:45:45 GMT
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton


  I have two quick questions on the NCR 3390.  I have one of these, and
*finally* got my SuperVGA board working in it (was quite a trip,
since 3390 manuals seem scarce).  Anyways, I need to know two thing about
them:

    -mine has 640k ram - can I upgrade the ram through say SIMMS?  and to
how far (and what kind of simms to use - i.e. 4/2/1meg?

     -mine has a 21m hard disk - what kind of harddisk is it?  (i.e.
MFM, RLL, etc?) and what would I need to look for if I wanted to get,
say a 40meg harddrive as a replacement?

   If I can successfully upgrade the memory and drive, maybe I'll
have something slightly more than a glorified picture viewer and
word processor.

   If anyone can help, pleas e post or email me.  Thanks.  (BTW the
CMOS says the harddrive is a "type 16" if that means something to
anyone)...

				Robert Anisko
				anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: rfarias@lascar.puc.cl (Ruben Farias IIC)
Subject: Information about NCR towr 386
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:45:17 GMT
From: nolan@helios.unl.edu (Michael Nolan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: Full backups on Tower 700
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:22:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: helios.nolan.717610930
Reply-To: nolan@helios.unl.edu
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

murray@centi.cs.umn.edu (William Murray) writes:

>I am fairly new to the NCR line of Unix systems and I would appreciate
>any insight that people may have concerning the following problem.

>When using VA to make a Full partition backup of a root disk on one
>of our systems, an error occurs when it trys to make a file list.
>The program will not continue any further at that point.  A backup 
>cannot complete.

While NCR's UNIX products have been excellent overall, their backups methods
have always been less than satisfactory.  (Some are incredibly slow, some
aren't robust, some are very difficult to use--especially in unattended
mode.)  A lot of NCR users have developed their own backup methods to
try to alleviate this deficiency.

At the annual NCR Unix User Group fall technical conference in Dallas in
a little over a week there is a session called 'The Great Backup Script-off'
in which contestants will display their own backup methodologies.  I will
see that the session moderator gets your note and will try to post the
'winning' entries in this newsgroup.
---
Michael Nolan
nolan@helios.unl.edu, nolan@tssi.com, mike.nolan@genie.geis.com
"A monk, a clone, and a Ferengi decided to go bowling together..."
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: Newer OS Releases for NCR Tower XP
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:22:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep28.130152.14008@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> dan@korg1.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (my comments) writes:
>Can I interest you in a TOWER 32/750?  With its M68040 processor
>(compared to the XP's M68010 processor) and three integrated SCSI
>channels, the T32/750 is probably a 20-30X improvement over your XP.

Somehow, though, I doubt that I could get a 750 for anything close to what I
paid for my XP a couple of years ago ($500)...Now if I could just get it to
quit eating Maxtor XT1140s (two have now failed in that machine), I'd be
happy.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: SLB2007@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Jesse E. Cross, III)
Subject: Still trouble with TCP/IP Rev 2.4.
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:18:00 GMT

Leonard,

    I accept.  Please send me the revisions of software, dll, and
hardware required to run TCP/IP Revision 2.4.xx And yes, please send
me copies of your config files so I can compare mine to them.

    Here is a complete list of all config files I have for TCP/IP
and/or any related product:

TCP/IP>HOSTS.TXT
TCP/IP*>THISHOST
TCP/IP*>RESOLV.CONF
MAILER*>DB>CONFIGURATION
NTS*>NTS.CONFIG

If there are any other configuration files that have to be in place, I don't
know them.  According to my manual that cam with TCP/IP Revision 2.3
these are the only necessary configuration files.  Is this correct?

Also, what is the latest release of the TCP/IP manual?

Should I have received an update and/or a new manual with TCP/IP
release 2.4?

Leonard, thanks much for your help, any help from anyone is greatly
appreciated.


-Jesse-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Subject: Re: WATCH command in Primos
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:14:32 GMT

Yes, there is a way if you are logged in as the system administrator and
are in the watch group. The user being watched doesn't know he/she is
being watched. If a regular user, other than the sys admin, is a member of
the watch group and tries to watch a user, a message is sent to the
terminal/user being watched that he/she is being watched.

--- Your original message :

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:57:30 CDT
From: Ash H. Pirwani <apirwani@csc.bcm.tmc.edu>
To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Subject: WATCH command in Primos
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Primos HELP needed!

Is there a way in Primos to set up security so that the WATCH command can be executed on another users session (with another login id) from a station other than the system console.

If there is a way, how do u do it?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Ash.
From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: WATCH command in Primos
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:45:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.9209302049.AA20401
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Each user can be assigned to a group to do various things such as stiop
and start spoolers, run RESUS, INFO_administrators, etc. the .WATCH$ is
just another group. Try logging into the system as the system
administrator and run watch on a terminal that you know is interactive.
You do not have to be on the syscon to login as sys admin either
. The
group that is able to use the WATCH program is asigned to the .WATCH$
group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: bsprague@mammoth.dsd.es.com (Robert Sprague)
Subject: Re: Computervision in the news
Reply-To: bsprague@mammoth.dsd.es.com (Robert Sprague)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.151527.5110@convex.com>, James Peters <peters@convex.COM> writes:
> In article <9210041959.AA16486@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
> >The current issue of Barrons (pg. 70, 'The Trader') spends about half a
> >page telling the recent story of Computervision (Prime) seen from Wall
> >Street. Nothing new for us here on the list, but the graph showing the
> >almost free-fall price of the Computervision stock (from $11 to $5) is an
> >ominous picture.
> >
> >Besides showing what the analysts think about a company, what effect does
> >a stock price have on the daily life in the company, and on its customers?
> 
> unless the cv employees have some sort of profit sharing or esop than the
> stock price should have little or no effect. company officers are restricted
> by sec regulations when they can sell stock and bonuses are probably the only
> part of their compensation package which is link to stockprice. as for the vc
> that funded prime/cv until the recent public offering, they've probably already
> pocketed a healthly profit by selling off a large percentage of the their
> holdings. this selloff probably contributed to the price drop. existing 
> customers are pretty much stuck with cv even though they may lack confidence
> in cv's ability to survive and grow. as for new customers the stockprice is
> usually used as a barometer of a company's health and before someone sinks
> a large chunk of money in new computers and sw they want a nice warm fuzzy
> feeling. people don't get fired for buying ibm.
> 
> regards,
> james, peters@convex.com

Does anyone at Prime, er, excuse me, Computervision know what's happening
to the retirement program for us ex-Prime folks?  Is it still healthy?

Please don't answer with, "What retirement plan?". :-)

Thanks,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: SYS_ADMIN@condor.nepean.uws.edu.au
Subject: tcp/ip and printing
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:47:04 GMT


         If the printer has a TCP/IP* address on a terminal server, both
the PRIMOS and UNIX machines can direct output there.

         We have had this working with varying success.

         The main problems we have encountered have been:

1. The UNIX was not sending a LINE-FEED to the printer whereas the PRIMOS
environment file had the -PAD_LF option. The printer was reconfigured to
handle the UNIX format and the -PAD_LF removed from the environment file.
Both now printing okay.

2. The UNIX output had to be directed to the TCP/IP address. Ian Walsh
of our Science and Technology Faculty worked this one out. If you need
more information, I will refer to him or you can contact him at
I.WALSH@uws.edu.au

3.When a PRIMOS request went to the printer, if the printer was already
busy, the SPOOLER would system defer for 5 (yes FIVE) minutes. In the
same situation, the UNIX would initially defer 1 minute, then 2 minutes,
then try every 4 minutes. Naturally our PRIMOS users did not get a look in.
The students kept resending their reports - ARGGGGHHHHH.
I am installing PRIMOS 23.3 today which allows configurable defer times
in the environment file.

Your message:


>
> A Unix user asked me today if it would be possible to print to the
> high speed line printer attached to his Prime.  The Prime is running
> TCP/IP and is physically and logically on the same network as the
> Unix machine in question.  Would a remote command to the Prime via
> the ethernet work the same way as it does under Unix TCP/IP???
>
> I'd like to make sure that I have this answer right, as it will
> affect several dozen Primes that we operate Nationwide.
>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Toni@Blx-S.Prime.COM (Toni van de Wiel)
Subject: re: Directory listing using FTP
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: PrimeService, De Meern, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:17:40 GMT

sspencer@trl.oz.au (Simon Spencer) asks (some days ago):
> Our version of ftp (v 2.4.R1) displays directory listings on prime
> machines using the detailed switch. Is it possible to get listings
> that are a 'tad' less detailed,???

Yep, you can use the 'ls' command instead of 'dir'.

regardz,
++Toni;
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: JOHN_DONAT@CS-LP1.Prime.COM (John Donat CSE 312-641-3450)
Subject: fuji printer
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 21:23:16 GMT


Mark,

According to the FUJITSU manual, the following interfaces are available
for the 3280 printer

Dataproducts, Centronics, RS232-C, and other available options.  This is
in the vendor manual we get when we start servicing a new piece of
equipment.  The only thing that I can think of is to get hold of Fujitsu,
and see if you can get the kit you want.  I have addresses for most areas,
unfortunately the African continent is not one of them...


John

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Slutz@s35.Prime.COM (Donald Slutz, slutz@s35)
Subject: Re: Where does "message" put its messages?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:54:32 GMT

If you are telnet-ing to the PRIME then the message output is no
different then any other output.
    -Don

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: LYNN@MD-MKW.Prime.COM (Lynn Charnitz, 414-797-8512 Voicemail #3)
Subject: re: Full screen editor
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:05:08 GMT

Thanks for the info, Ted.  I will pass this along to my customer.

Regards,

Lynn Charnitz

--- Your original message :

To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: Ted W. Flory <Ted@CESCC.Bridgewater.EDU>
Subject: re: Full screen editor
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:27:19 EDT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

We have been using the PMED full-screen editor for nearly 10 years.  PMED
is written and maintained by the University of Sheffield (UK).  If memory
serves me, it is marketed here in the US by OTG systems.  PMED is very
reasonably priced, is a compatible superset of Prime's ED with many nice
extensions including, of course, full screen capability, and is *very*
fast.  I recommend it highly.

Ted Flory
Bridgewater College


BTW, I have no connection to the University of Sheffield or OTG Systems
other than being a satisfied PMED user.
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