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From: moogie@pro-storm.cts.com (Laura Brashear)
Subject: Re: nightmares
Organization: ProLine [Pro-Storm] -- Dallas, TX -- 214/644-5113
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:05:21 CST

In <1iil5gINNhmb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger) writes:

>
>In a previous article, zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu () says:
>
>>
>>	Not long ago I dreamt flying for the first time in my life: It was in
>>the mountainous village my family used to live. I took off in a neighbor's 
>>courtyard, not like a bird; instead, I felt like a swimmer rising in deep
>>water, and I was literally swimming in the air. I reached an altitude 
>>just good for a bird's-eye view of the village and went around effortlessly, 
>>watching the familiar houses and courtyards and streets. My feeling in the 
>>dream was pleasantly sensational.
>>
>>	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>>of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>>will be appreciated.
>
>I don't lucid dream very often, but I did a couple nights ago....
>
>As soon as I became lucid, I started to fly.  I was flying over a town.  As
>you mensioned, the sensation is quite amazing.  It's indescribable.  Anyway,
>there was a lake off to my right, which I didn't want to fly over for fear I
>may fall and drown. (this was odd, considering I was lucid)
>
>I then started sailing higher up.  I remember a post on here where someone 
>mensioned flying all the way out into space.  I was too afraid to do this.
>If I got too high, I got scared and had to come down a bit.  The strange thing
>was that I couldn't stay at one level.  I had to either be rising or falling; 
>I couldn't just fly foward.  Very odd.
>-- 
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>Ever wonder if dreams are real life and real life is just a dream?
>Me neither.......

concerning nightmares:  i have frequent nightmares which do not always seem
frightening when reviewed awake but are always terrifying at the time. they
usually involve conflict.  my dreams are very very vivid and often contain
much more detail than i would notice awake... they generally revolve around
a lack of control over a situation...
the details in my dreams are often true, things i see later than are real,
such as actual buildings, places, people, etc...
...moogie

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From: "ian donen" <ian.donen@canrem.com>
Subject: more subtle reality check
Reply-To: "ian donen" <ian.donen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:04:45 EST

OT>Oh, and just yesterday I looked for some record to listen to and found
OT>that old Alan Parsons piece which I had not played for at least half a
OT>year (surely not since I got involved in this newsgroup, as the record
OT>had been at my parents' home which I just recently visited and brought
OT>it back), and just before I started the player, I suddenly realized
OT>that it starts with that wonderful Edgar Allan Poe quote which could
OT>serve as a motto for this whole group:
OT>
OT>"...and all that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."
OT>
OT>Happy New Year,
OT>Olaf
OT>--

Funny thing happened recently...
I was reading a Calvin and Hobbes book recently, and listening to that
Alan Parsons Album, and just as I was reading a page in which Calvin
wakes up, gets out of bed, goes to school, etc, then wakes up again
(dream within a dream), the above line was played on the CD.

Made me sit back and say "Wow..."

-Ian-



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From: ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Flying.
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:33:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Hmmm. Most of my flying is of 2 types:

(1) The sort that feels like I am swimming in air.
    This usually involves some sort of movement like "treading
    water" in the air to go up, and it is not very fast. I assume I
    am experiencing remembered sensations from swimming.

(2) The sort where I can just glide for a while after jumping.
    Sometimes these are not really "flying", but more like I can
    take a running jump and just keep on gliding above the ground
    for an extaordinarily long time. Last night I had one of these
    dreams - I was running across a parking lot at the mall, and I
    would just jump and glide very far - as long as I wanted,
    almost. In the dream I recall thinking that I'd been so stupid
    to not notice and make use of this ability sooner. ^_^

(3) One dream I had where I was truly soaring wherever I wanted to,
    very fast, was a dream in which I was dead. I still existed as a
    spirit with no body, or perhaps as a small point of light, and I
    recall soaring around the sky over my school campus, really
    enjoying myself until I saw people I knew mourning over me (but
    my body was nowhere to be seen). I was able to talk with one
    person but this person told me I couldn't remain with them, that
    I had to go on to somewhere else. I felt unbearably lonely and
    also worried - why hadn't I automatically ended up in the right
    place, and would I ever be able to make my way there? But the
    flying part was really great.

Finally, one other thing I can do in dreams that is just about as
much fun as flying - I can run at speeds of like 200 miles an hour.
Yes, I am running on the freeway and passing cars left and right.
^_^ This is really fun for itself, and it's great that I don't have
to put up with the time involved to usually get from one place to
another. (I'd hate to see what would happen if I TRIPPED running
that fast, however.) I suppose some of this is the remembered
feeling of speed from riding in cars (I don't drive) and subways and
such.

	Maiko Covington


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From: jrabatin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer Rabatin)
Subject: nightmares
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:02:06 GMT




quickly, i was also wondering if like myself anyone else out there only has
nightmares.

they are all i have ever remembered.  they started out when i was a small 
child and are still with me now.
and by no means are they mild.
when i dream all my sences are in full working order if not amplified.
and all my dreams have some sort of physical violence involved mainly taking
place as action tword me.
also i'm usually being chased by someone/thing.

                has anyone else had simmilar expieriences?
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Literacy in dreams
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:16:46 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1ikfijINNk4j@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.151648.61666@qut.edu.au> heard@qut.edu.au writes:
> 
>>I had a dream recently where I hed to read a couple of
>>paragraphs aloud. The text concerned how the French
>>language in the middle ages lost some of its
>>declensions. (For example, the masculine article used
> 
> Just curious... was this based on real facts (I don't know medieval
> French...) or rubbish?

This is true as I understand it. I am not that good at 
French, but have read (with a dictionary) some early 
French poetry, which does use "li". 

> 
>>The text was hard to read not because of a lack of
>>sense, or lack of legibility, but because it was
>>English text mixed with French quotes, many technical
>>linguistic terms and names of foreign linguists. It 
>>would have been hard to read aloud if I was awake.
> 
> And how did you feel after waking up? Like continuing to read the
> text, or disappointed of the fact 'what was I just thinking crap
> again'? 

Part of the dream comes from the fact that my sister is
married to a Frenchman. Sometimes if I go to lunch
with her and we meet some of her friends, the
conversation will be in French which I struggle to
understand. 

In the dream I had a feeling of fascination with the
subject matter combined with one of frustration and
struggle. I think the dream reflects my personal life,
with a combination of difficulties and fascination. 

Perhaps reading about historical linguistics means 
trying to understand how MY early life and upbringing 
has affected my life view and concept formation.

The dream was in an exam setting, so there was also a
feeling of being tested (with exam anxiety) and a
feeling that the test was beyond what I should be
expected to know, so was a bit unfair. Personal life
again. 

> Olaf

Take care
Ronno (also a cyclist)

For dreams, reason, freedom, and self-awareness.
From: idg39@jester.usask.ca (Inez Gowsell)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Inclusions
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:32:29 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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Maiko Covington (ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: > KM> I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I
: > KM> imagine
: > KM> that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.

:[some stuff deleted]
: 
: On a (perhaps) related subject: What happens when you have to use
: the bathroom in the middle of the night? I find that I will
: incorporate this need into the dream. So, I get all sorts of dreams
: about needing to use the bathroom badly, and either (a) there are no
: bathrooms to be found for miles around, (b) there are some but they
: cannot be used for some reason (dirty, or broken, whatever), or (c)
: I do use the bathroom in my dream, but because I don't in RL, it
: still feels that I have to use the bathroom so I will tend to wake
: up. Maybe this is incorporating physical things.

I know *exactly* what you mean! I have dreams like that -- well, I won't
say regularly, but often enough!  It took awhile to figure out the 
connection, but I realize what they mean now.  I tried explaining it to
a friend one time, who didn't seem to believe me :( .

Not only are the bathrooms in bad shape, but they are usually located in 
some obscure ATTIC of a run-down house.  Don't ask me why.  It could be
an incorporation of my other recurring dreams.  Which are....

I call them anxiety dreams.  Whenever I am unduly stressed by school work,
and don't understand what is going on, I get dreams where I am constantly
climbing, but no matter how high I go, I never get anywhere.  Usually in
these dreams, I start out by climbing a rope and end up climbing thread.

Other recurring themes are elevators which don't stop level with the floor,
or that go every direction BUT straight up and down.  Quite bizarre.

The most frightening dream -- in terms of the events that followed -- was
an anxiety dream involving staircases.  I came out of a door and there
were white staircases coming from several doors, but you couldn't get from
the one you were on to any others.  This was fine, typical anxiety dream.
About three weeks later I went to a movie with a friend and went out the 
exit -- Had always gone out the front before.  There were white staircases
from each of the theatres!!!  You could not get to any other staircase from
where you were.

If I had been alone, I might have had a breakdown.  It was pretty unnerving.

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From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: What can't you dream about?
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:48:46 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Thu  8 Jan 93 20:39, Phillip_eastham@kumear.apana.org.au
wrote:

 P> the morning and said to yourself "Bummer. I didn't have any dreams
 P> last
 P> night"?

No, but I have woken up and though..."Bummer, I can't remember the dreams I
had last night!"

 P> I feel so cheap :)

 P> Yes Pete, but then we already knew that :-)

Gee...thanks :)

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From: kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Really Strange Dream...
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:24:07 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stanley.nde.swri.edu

After I had been awake for while this morning I remembered a dream fragment
from sometime last night. Was quite strange. I really don't remember dreaming
anything quite like this ever before.

Ready??? This dream really did happen... At least this is the way I remember
it.

I was at a pool party with lots of teenagers. I probably was a chaperone or
something :^) Madonna was there. Nude. But flatchested and very plain-
looking. She was complaining to her mother about how all her business
activities had failed this last year. Was quite boring. I specifically
remember her discussing at great lengths the problems with her line of Flower
Shops. (yes, flower shops)

The party went on for quite some time but I don't remember specifics about
much of it. After a while, Madonna's mother got fed up with the state of her
daughter's affairs and went beserk - wielding some kind of metal rod with a
bent end. She started slashing at kids with it. I fought with her and managed
to wrestle the rod from her grasp.

The group then ran out of the sliding glass door to the pool with M's mother
chasing us.  M's mother then proceeded to tear chunks of flesh from her own
body to throw at us (me in particular) as she chased us round and round the
pool. She even started reusing chunks of flesh that she had already thrown.
There was this little grey terrier running around with us.  I remember
wishing it would eat some of the chunks of flesh so M's mother wouldn't be
able to throw them at me but it wasn't even interested in them.

After a while things calmed down and we all got in the pool and had a great
time for a while. Then I started to quietly drown a certain person close to
me. It started out as playing but I remember realizing that I could easily
drown this person and curiously refused to let go. The dream ended at that
point.

Told my wife about it and she just started laughing. Said something like
'Serves her right'. :^) Didn't tell her about the attempted drowning though.
(it wasn't her)

I often have some pretty unusual dreams, but nothing I can remember was ever
this crude or unreasonably violent. Was very disquietning.

Kent Polk
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From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Re: Requesting relaxation and brain exercises and sources.
Keywords: relaxation, visualization, autogenics 
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:03:07 GMT

poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier) writes:

>The brochure is from Smart PC, and contains software (mostly for IBM
>PC, and some for MacIntosh). Within the brochure, there were a few
>things which I noticed:

<stuff deleted>

Sounds interesting.  Can we (or at least I) have a phone # or address for these
people?

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From: mitchell@seas.smu.edu (Utopium Enterprizes)
Subject: Re: Requesting relaxation and brain exercises and sources.
Keywords: relaxation, visualization, autogenics 
Organization: Utopium Enterprizes
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:28:59 GMT

Thus wrote poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier):
>
>- IQ SMarts: "... goes beyond the original Stanford-Binet IQ tests you
>              may have taken in school. Those tests measure your
>              reasoning, but don't measure your creative ability. 
>              IQ Smarts, however, measures both..."
>             "... prints out a complete report with your overall IQ
>              scores, as well as informative scores for practical,
>              academic and creative ideas."
>             "... gives you exercises and a strategy that can actually
>              help imrpove your IQ..."
>
I've tried the IQ Smarts program... it's not bad, I guess, but there are two
things about it that I wonder about...

1) There's a lot of culturally biased questions here... and what I guess I
   would call "educationally biased" questions. Some of the questions it asked
   would be very tricky if you weren't a well-educated American... and neither
   culture nor education should, in theory, have anything to do with IQ scores.
2) There were only 60 questions asked at one sitting. Perhaps this is enough
   to get a ball park estimate of your IQ, but there's lots of room for error.
   I assume it asks 60 random questions from a long list... and I wonder if
   sixty sample points are enough to determine your IQ with any real accuracy.

I think I will try it a few more times, and see if my score is consistent,
taking into account my moods and my energy level... and if it continues to 
report scores around the figure it gave, I will be satisfied.

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From: LB.FHG@isumvs.iastate.edu (Fred Gulden)
Subject: Re: Nightmares
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:10:11 GMT

s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

>The classic vicious circle of nightmares: from fear of getting
>nightmares, you will get nightmares. I, as a child, had a time when I
>would really fear sleeping from fear of nightmares. Fortunately this
>got better, but I suspect that working with your dreams and getting
>used to lucid dreaming can relieve the problem. (I've had no real
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>nightmares for quite a time now.)

Exactly.  I was recently troubled with nightmares about elevators.  I
would dream I was in one that would start tilting side to side and traveling
in all sorts of scary directions.  So I started doing reality checks every
time I was on an elevator.  I even went out of my way to get on elevators
and do reality checks.  The next time the dream occurred, all the passengers
starting screaming and panicking, but I turned lucid and started laughing,
knowing it was a dream.   Then I changed the scene.

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From: hooves@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Thundering Hooves)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucid dreaming?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 19:53:26 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Hello there.
I am new to this conf area and one recurring term which I've noticed is 
that of "lucid dreaming".  I know only very little about this phenomena.
Could somebody please fill me in on the details?  Exactly what is it?  
How can it be induced/controlled?  The potential and the idea of so many 
unexplored things and experiencing the impossible...it's fascinating!

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From: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Flying in Dream...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:25:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
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In a previous article, zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu () says:

>
>	Not long ago I dreamt flying for the first time in my life: It was in
>the mountainous village my family used to live. I took off in a neighbor's 
>courtyard, not like a bird; instead, I felt like a swimmer rising in deep
>water, and I was literally swimming in the air. I reached an altitude 
>just good for a bird's-eye view of the village and went around effortlessly, 
>watching the familiar houses and courtyards and streets. My feeling in the 
>dream was pleasantly sensational.
>
>	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>will be appreciated.

I don't lucid dream very often, but I did a couple nights ago....

As soon as I became lucid, I started to fly.  I was flying over a town.  As
you mensioned, the sensation is quite amazing.  It's indescribable.  Anyway,
there was a lake off to my right, which I didn't want to fly over for fear I
may fall and drown. (this was odd, considering I was lucid)

I then started sailing higher up.  I remember a post on here where someone 
mensioned flying all the way out into space.  I was too afraid to do this.
If I got too high, I got scared and had to come down a bit.  The strange thing
was that I couldn't stay at one level.  I had to either be rising or falling; 
I couldn't just fly foward.  Very odd.
-- 
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InterNet: ak044@cleveland.freenet.edu - Voice: 216/331-2283
Ever wonder if dreams are real life and real life is just a dream?
Me neither.......
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From: adawal@scorch.apana.org.au (Adam Walsh)
Subject: Dream Lights
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:57:44 GMT

Hi Dudes! ...

How readily availabel are those dreams lights? - how  do  they  detect
REM patterns????? perhaps eye movements???

ciao

-:: Walsh ::-
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Literacy in dreams
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:01:55 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1993Jan8.151648.61666@qut.edu.au> heard@qut.edu.au writes:

>I had a dream recently where I hed to read a couple of
>paragraphs aloud. The text concerned how the French
>language in the middle ages lost some of its
>declensions. (For example, the masculine article used

Just curious... was this based on real facts (I don't know medieval
French...) or rubbish?

>The text was hard to read not because of a lack of
>sense, or lack of legibility, but because it was
>English text mixed with French quotes, many technical
>linguistic terms and names of foreign linguists. It 
>would have been hard to read aloud if I was awake.

And how did you feel after waking up? Like continuing to read the
text, or disappointed of the fact 'what was I just thinking crap
again'? 

Olaf
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