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From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: What about Gore & abortion?
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:59:46 GMT

In article <mykes.0c44@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>> 	I have a son, and I am going to go to great lengths to see to it
>> that he doesn't become a crack dealer. If he does, I will not disown him,
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is a crime.  That's the big difference, Alex.  And the defense of Quayle's
>comments on the Larry King show are still very simple:  He will support his
>daughter, period.  Just as you say you would support your son, below.
>
>> but I will not support him in his activities, except to help him get out
>> of the business. Quayle seems quite willing to let his daugher become a
>> murderess without argument. [...]

I guess thats where Quayle and I differ, I don't want my son to deal crack
because I think that crack dealing is a bad thing, I could care less what
the law says. I would support him if he wanted to stop dealing, but if he
wants to persue that line of work, he's on his own. Quayle wants to
make abortion illegal, but his kids can do it until then - pretty impressive
moral fiber, there.
-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: EIB building vs Lake Wobegone
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:52:06 GMT

mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
>I've heard him talk about the EIB building many times.  I think you are 
>wrong that he made up the EIB building stuff for fun, also.  I believe he 
>makes that stuff up to create an image that is bigger than reality.

    You know, I couldn't begin to count the number of times I've heard 
Garrison Keillor (sp?) talk about "Lake Wobegone" and "Dorothy's Chatterbox 
Cafe", both of which are complete figments of Keillor's imagination. I 
remember only one of Garrison's shows in which he actually admitted that 
Lake Wobegone was an invention, and I believe that in that same monologue 
he also claimed that not only is Lake Wobegone made-up, so is the whole 
state of Minnesota (which, in a way, is true). He's commented several times 
on how he got popular by being a good liar (a story-teller), and how as a 
story-teller he tries to start with the truth, but that the truth can only 
take you so far.

    Sometimes the truth isn't particularly interesting or amusing, but it 
would be if only a few facts were changed. I'd say that in that respect, 
what Rush does and what Garrison does aren't all that much different.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: My religion is great, yours is Bullshit
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:10:16 GMT

	I was interested to hear Rush poking fun at an Ill. state prisoner
who is suing the state, claiming that the state has denied his him religous
freedom. I would expect Rush to be a staunch defender of the indivuals
rights, claiming family values and all that. After all, if family values
and a christian education can save the country, then religion should 
certainly be favorable in a prison environment.

	I guess family values only includes the cool religions.



-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton & Taxes: 7% f
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:08:00 GMT
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Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

TO: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,hulsey@dbsun.uucp

  .Subject: Re: Clinton & Taxes: 7% for healthMessage-ID: <1992Aug13.215159.1172
  .bsun.uucp>
  .Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:51:59 GMT

HU.krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
  .> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
  .>>
  .>>  Conservatives talk about a level playing field.  I believe a national>>he
  .h care system would help level the field.
  .>>
  .>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  .>I have a better idea.  Let's split up into two countries, liberals and
  .>conservatives.  You liberals can have whatever you want, we conservatives
  .>just will not pay for it.

Oooh!  I like the way you think!

  .>
  .>The only problem is that within 10 years, you folks will have taxed
  .>yourselves out of existence and will be begging at our door for food.
  .>

My only argument here, would be that it wouldn't take 10 years!
Especially if you let Clinton be their president!

HU.Have you ever thought about starting a business?  Have you thought about
  .what would happen if your business would fail, and you would be left with
  .no health insurance?  What if you developed an expensive medical condition
  .while you were trying a new business, and no employer would let you onto
  .their health plan?

Oh boy! This is so frustrating.  If I fail at my business, why should I
expect handouts from you?  Or you from me?  It's time we stopped
expecting our gov't to pay for everything, because ultimately it all
comes out of our pockets, or our children's pockets, like medicare, and
the debt payments.  Yes, some expensive situations will be hard to
understand, but nobody promised you life would be free, or easy.

HU.What I was saying was that the current health care system makes
  .entrepreneurship even more risky, and that small businesses andindividuals pa
  .ore for health insurance because the big companies
  .get deals.  National health insurance would help level *this* field.

Yeah.  Like the Federal Reserve Act did, right?  Leveled the ups and
downs of the private banking industry, right?  Right into the depression
when that house of cards failed!  Like farm subsidies - to level the
playing field and help those poor farmers.  So now, instead of a few
farms producing healthy crops, we got LOTS of farms - most of whom are
bankrupt.  That house of cards also failed.  You just can't get
something for nothing.  The constitution grants us 'the right to the
pursuit of happiness', not a right to happiness.  There's a rather big
difference.  And the Dems have never understood it.  Or perhaps, they do
understand too well, and get rich and powerful over it.

Regards,
Todd

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From: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter)
Subject: Welcome Home Rally for George & Bar
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:25:00 GMT

My wife & I attended the rather low-profile "Welcome Home Rally" yesterday in
the Astroarena, for the President & Mrs. Bush. The arena is fairly small but
was packed--there were a couple thousand people there, by my estimate. We stood
in the middle of the arena itself as all the seats in the stands were taken.
After hearing a great (free!) concert by Randy Travis, we & the crowd were
introduced to a few VIPs (including Warren Moon), and then Mr. Quayle & his
wife appeared. Quayle gave a pretty decent speech. (Surprise #1.) And then the
President & Bar appeared--not from backstage, but from the side of the arena,
where spectators would normally enter to go up into the stand. Surrounded by
Secret Service men, he glad-handed his way through the crowd to the stage: we
were less than ten feet away from him as he passed. And then he gave a very
good speech. (Surprise #2.) It was focused and forceful--and all in complete
sentences. The audience was wildly enthusiastic. I did not have the feeling
that very many people there are depressed about his chances in November.

What I liked best in his speech was an admission that he has never been a great
public speaker. What he said then was that he has always believed rather that
"eloquence is action." This is a great and ancient view, usually taken by men
such as President Bush who are not theorists or orators, but pragmatists and
doers. Personally, I think a little more candor about his weakness as an orator
would do him a lot of good.  

William Porter  * * * Classical Languages: University of Houston
Internet: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu /or/ CompuServe: 75430,1351
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug17.174742.25013@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:

->Look.  If the legislature deems that abortion is murder, fine and dandy.
->Make a law against abortion.  As long as abortion is legal, the 
->government has no right to place restrictions on it.  It's either murder
->or it isn't.  None of this exemption crapola for rape or incest.  After
->all, a baby is a baby, no matter how the conception took place.  What
->the government needs to do is define when _human_ life begins.  Hopefully,
->some sort of scientific criteria would be used in making this definition,
->like the point at which normal human brainwaves can be detected.  Once
->this definition is in place, normal homicide laws apply.  All of the
->arguments I've heard on the issue center around religious dogma that life
->begins at conception.  If that's your belief, fine.  Don't have abortions.
->But don't put your religious beliefs on anyone else.

 Dale, your points are very well thought out. I have one problem though.
Why do we need the government to tell us when life begins ? That could be
very dangerous. Supposed they say that life begins when you start paying
taxes. Life begins when you are old enough to vote. Life begins when
you start sucking your thumb. Life begins when your sell your soul to Big
Government. The only solution I can see is that life begins at conception
and we dont need a government "socialist" to tell us that.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech at convention
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:37:47 GMT

While reading article <1992Aug20.145514.15183@news.ysu.edu>, I noticed that
ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) said the following:
 >>In article <_2gyjhm@rpi.edu> mcgead@operators.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary) writes:
 >>Actually, Webster defines "child" as an unborn or recently born person.
 >>Look it up!
 >>
 >>Next time, avoid revealing your ignorance by checking your dictionary
 >>before spewing off at the mouth.
 >>
 >
 >Funny.....My Webster's (copywrite 1990) defines "child" as follows:
 >
 >Child, n, pl. children 1. A son or daughter. 2. a young person or baby.
 >3. a person thought of as the product of a given place, time, influence,
 >ect. 4. a descendant. 5. a person inmature in judgement.
 >
 >Going down through the next 6 entries (childbirth to childlike) I see
 >no reference to "unborn person".
 >
 >Likewise, under "Person", "Human", "Man", and all dirivitives of these
 >words, there is no reference to "unborn person".
 >
 >Oh....you must have the Pro(anything but)Life edition of Webster's....

Well, it is quite a bit older than yours, but, according to Webster's 7th
Collegiate Dictionary, (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster, Inc., we have:

child or childe \'chi-(*)ld\ \'chil-dr*n, -d*rn also 'chu.l-\ \'chi-(*)ld\ 
   \'chi-(*)l-(d)l*s\ n or chil.dren [ME, fr. OE cild; akin to Goth kilthei 
   womb, Skt jathara bell] pl y 1a: an unborn or recently born person dial  
   1b: a female infant 2a: a young person of either sex esp. between infancy 
   and youth 2b: a childlike or childish person 2c: a person not yet of age 
   usu  archaic  3: a youth of noble birth 4a: a son or daughter of human 
   parents 4b: DESCENDANT 5: one strongly influenced by another or by a place 
   or state of affairs 6: PRODUCT, RESULT : PREGNANT - child.less aj

No inferences made, just what webster(1) has to say about it...
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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: My religion is great, yours is Bullshit
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:33:16 GMT



In article <1992Aug13.155058.11105@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (B
ob Hooker) writes:
>
>Then again who cares what this fat, rude, bitter right-wing insecure load
>mouth has to say,  what do you
>think?

Oh come on now!  I am sure that you have LEGITIMATE reasons to hate Rush!



BTW, all of you should be proud of me!  I am actually giving this person the
benefit of the doubt, even though his first impression leads me to believe that
he can only resort to personal attacks.

We in this group have only intellectual, thoughtful debate! ;) ;) ;)
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
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From: sbrady@afit.af.mil (Stephan P. Brady)
Subject: Re: Dixy Lee Ray & Lyndon LaRouche
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:21:31 GMT

alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) writes:

I seem to detect a (strong) hint of bias creeping in here. One of the
greatest fallacies in any research is to accept something at face
validity simply because of the "halo effect" - holding the source in
high esteem.  The reverse (holding someone in low esteem, and therefore
refusing to accept ANYTHING they might say as true) would be just as
improper for a researcher to do.

Look below:

>... like LaRouche, Rush doesn't seem
>to picky about where information comes from, as long as it supports his
>agenda.

>	There is, of course, much more source material in the book then 
>these articles, but IMHO, anybody who whould put *any* stock in anything
>that LaRouche printed is suspect. I don't know a legit scientist who would
>cite a LaRouche paper, and the fact that she does it casts serious doubts
>about her integrity.

See?  Questioning a researchers integrity _simply because of the
sources_ is ALSO an indication of bias.  Pick up any good research
methods textbook, and this will be quite amply discussed.

But please, do not assume that anyone here would judge UMBC computing by
the remarks of this one author I am citing, because that would be bias
as well.

Steve

I am solely responsible for my comments, and my employer is not.





>-- 
>Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

>					Alex Crain
>					UMBC Academic Computing Services
-- 
sbrady@galaxy.afit.af.mil
"Opinions held on every subject.  While they may not actually reflect the
opinions of my employer, they are a tribute to the freedoms enjoyed under
the First Amendment"
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:07:03 GMT

tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
>Don't confuse Buchannan's cultural supremism with racism.  There is a big 
>difference.  How could he be racist if he embraces black republicans, the
>many that we have seen the past two convention days?  No, he thinks that
>Western ideals (the good, the honest, the eternal) are what everyone in
>America should strive after.  Sometimes he makes crude analogies, such as
>the one about the English immigrants and the Zulu, but such arguments are
>not against a people because of their race, but because of their culture. 

    I wouldn't have thought that the British domination of the Zulus 
was a very good analogy for our modern culture "war"; British culture 
prevailed over the Zulus through the points of their bayonets. I've 
been reading a book recently entitled _Queen_Victoria's_Little_Wars_ 
which describes the British campaigns from 1837-1901 and it describes 
in some detail the "jingoist" (hawkish) attitude held by the British 
during Victoria's reign. 

    It was unthinkable to the Jingoists that any native people would 
refuse the obviously superior, beneficent rule of the British Empire.
Their nickname derived from the poem:

   "We don't want to fight
    But by jingo if we have to,
    We've got the men,
    We've got the guns,
    And we've got the money too."
 
    Of course there were some British who disagreed with the agressive 
expansion of their empire, but they were in the minority. During the 1860 
march to Peking Lord Elgin is reported to have said that he refused to 
participate in any further expansion of the territories in which Britain 
displayed the shallowness of her religion and culture.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A fine opporitunity for flaming liberal flameage
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Date: 12 Aug 92 01:08:08 PST
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In article <1992Aug10.223843.4155@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
> In article 0c0t@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG, mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >In article <BsKDB7.GB5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley) writes:
> >> >In article 28272@cs.rose-hulman.edu, pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
> >> >How about all the attention paid to David DuKKKe?  The chief spokesman for
> >> >conservative causes was given plenty of coverage, virtually all of it
> >> >unbiased and even-handed.
> >> This statement is particularly amazing.  All conservatives I know think
> >> Duke is a racist.  He got few votes running against a real conservative
> >> (Pat Buchanan).  I also doubt that it was unbiased but I'm not sure how
> >> to tell because any article mentioning (as many or more likely most did)
> >> his KKK background could be construed as factual or biased.
> >I think Duke is a racist, too.  His message was clearly designed to appeal
> >to the far right wing - smaller govt., less interference in business, etc.
> >And he chose to run as a republican.  Given a less checkered background
> >and being not-a-racist, he could have gone far.  But he is a racist, and
> >everyone knows it and nobody gave him any support - except for those who
> >voted against the criminals in the dem party in La. who he ran against.
>
> The point I was trying to make is that conservatives are not particularly
> known for condemning racism.

That's a sweeping and false statement.  Bush fired two of his campaign people
in 1988 for racist comments.  Bush hired a MINORITY WOMAN (double whammy) to
be Surgeon General, a woman to be Secy. of Education (Liz Dole), and a black
man to be Secy. oF Health & Human Services (Louis Sullivan).  Dole was Secy.
of Education under Reagan, too.  Bush went as far as he could to throw support
against Duke without actually supporting the crook who was running as democrat.

I am as conservative as you will find, and I condemn racism.  Big time.

> ---
>
>
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> Disclaimer:	Opinions expressed are mine and only mine

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From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Term Limitations (was Re:
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:18:00 GMT
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Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

  .Subject: Term Limitations (was Re: 1-800-BE-ANGRY)
  .Message-ID: <nate.445@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>
  .Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 18:48:00 GMT

nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:


NE.cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
  .>larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
  .>> and to get term limitations to counteract the "senility and
  .>>seniority" problems Mr. Grace so eloquently described.

NE.>Not so good an idea.  The problem is not in congress, it's with the idiots
  .>who put 'em there and leave 'em there.  You.  Me.  etc.  Term limits, while
  .>tempting, will make us worse off in the long run.  If you think a congress
  .>critter is not answerable to the electorate now, who do you think they'd
  .>answer to with term limits in place?  They'll answer to the guys who are
  .>holding a nice fat cushy job for them in some industry that they've filled
  .>the trough for during their limited term.  No, that'd be an unmitigated
  .>disaster.

NE.    And once they're back out in industry without any power any more
  .their wise and benevolent industry pals will continue to support them?
  .Maybe. Until their accountants and bean counters start looking for ways
  .to economize, I guess.

NE.    I would say, however, that the idea of term limits is appealing to
  .me primarily because of my selfish desire to someday see a Congressman
  .work for a living (that was a wide angle pot-shot at Congress there for
  .all of you who say that I never criticize them).

The basic premise behind limited terms is the fact that you essentially
eliminate the "fat cats", a role that takes several years to acquire.
It is not likely that industry would be heavily vying for those
individuals with only 4-8 years in Congress.  I like this idea because
it is more likely to successfully get the individual who is dedicated to
the idea of truly 'working for the people', take a long sabatical from
his former role (teacher, lawyer, doctor, professor, etc.), and return
to it when the limited term is over.  That appeals to me.  Will it
always work that way?  Of course not.  But the chance for a single
individual to build up the kind of power and contacts that these 30 year
veterans do is a lot less likely.  Maybe we can get some of their
attention on relevant issues instead of on their own agendas.

Regards,
Todd

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