HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rizzo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (anthony.r.rizzo)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Re: The next EUS song!
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:20:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <machin.702818116@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> machin@elec.uq.oz.au (EUS legend) writes:

>Keywords: EUS song fuck piss

>For all you keen engineers, here is the next sing-song from the
>EUS (Engineering Undergraduate Society, University of Queensland, Aust.)
>
>This one entitled (appropriately), "More Beer"
>sung to the tune of "For Auld Lang Syne"
>
>MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER
>MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER,
>MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER,
>MORE BEER - MORE BEER - MORE BEER.
>
>(repeat until unconscious)
>
>more to come.....
>any new songs welcome!

From the above trash, one can only conclude that Australian
society has not yet overcome its seedy beginnings.
What else could explain the transmission of this offensive filth
to organizations and individuals throughout the world?

Tony
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.edu,misc.education,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.chem
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:24:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.135648.4994@unixland.natick.ma.us>, sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes:

|> I was not talking about overt harassment, something that would involve
|> bringing up a faculty member on charges. I was referring to SOME people that
|> come from cultures where women are simply not expected to go for *any*
|> higher education, let alone technical education, and where they simply have
|> not been in a situation where women are supposed to be the intellectual
|> equals of men. What I was talking about is more subtle forms of
|> discouragement -- encouraging the male students more than the females, not
|> calling on women in class, etc. (Studies have shown that this happens
|> at the elementary-school level among many American-born teachers, too, by
|> the way. But at the college level, a) women may be more aware of it than
|> 8-year-old girls are, and b) it may be more obvious and overt if done in
|> a different way than some American-born teachers do it).

What I refered to are teachers who assume that the women don't know what they are
talking about to such a degree that the class notices it. In liberal Cambridge
you can get in alot of trouble that way.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Subject: Control Texts (was Re: New Process Optimization Texts)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:49:10 GMT


To: alongley@cape.UWaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: New Process Optimization Texts
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem

In sci.engr.chem you write:

>?  Also, what about 'good' & recent texts on advanced control in
>chemical engineering (ie., minimum variance control, adaptive control,
>etc.)? 

I don't mean to disparage many fine researchers and their excellent
work, but a text that stresses minimum variance and/or
adaptive for advanced *CHEM ENG* control is probably a little
off the mark.

If you insist on newness, then for UG level, try Edgar and Seborg's
new book; in the minds of some, this has supplanted Stephanapolous
(I withold my opinion not having seen Edgar's book.)

For "robust" control, which I think is more "advanced" than 
than "optimal" control (e.g. LQG with Kalman Filtering)
for process applications, I *STRONGLY* recommend 
_Robust_Process_Control by Morari and Zafiriou (Disclaimer:
M. Morari is my research advisor, so I am not unbiased).

If you want to catch-up on what industry means when they 
say "advanced control," find something with Model Predictive
Control (MPC). Prett and Garcia's book (Fundamental Process
Control?) covers this, but leaves enough to be desired that
Morari, Garcia, Lee, and Prett are releasing another book soon.

For adaptive technolgy that has been proven effective in 
industry, Astrom and Wittenmark (Adaptive PID Tuning, I think)
is *THE* reference.  Even if adaptive is not your bag, the
direct and valauble insights into the tuning process make this
book worth owning.

Lastly, if you insist "fancy" control, I recommend
Slotine and LI's spanking new book (Control of nonlinear
dynamical systems, or some such title). THis covers:
adaptive, sliding control, differential geometry, and
lots of other neat stuff.

However, for what you seem to be getting at in you post, I think
Robust Process Control, or an MPC book is what you're looking for..



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From: tmanning@bbn.com (Theresa Manning-Livolsi)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: Environmental Work Possible?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 12:38:36 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: tmanning@BBN.COM (Theresa Manning-Livolsi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Hello,
	This is my first post to this newsgroup.  My husband is a chemist
wondering if it is possible to be a chemical engineer involved in work
which is environmental in nature.  I hope this does not offend anyone, 
but he is under the impression that chemical engineers usually do work that
is related to doing things like researching new products, or designing 
things like efficient smoke stacks for industry.   I would appreciate any
inputs anyone could give about the possibility of environment conservation
type employment for chemical engineers which any of you may have 
experience with or know of.  Please post answers to my email address, as I
usually do not read this news group (tmanning@bbn.com).  Thanks in advance,
and I hope my generalized comment about CE's has not offended anyone.

Theresa
From: tmanning@bbn.com (Theresa Manning-Livolsi)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: Thanks for your inputs
Date: 9 Apr 1992 11:23:48 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: tmanning@BBN.COM (Theresa Manning-Livolsi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


	I just wanted to thank all those who responded to my post about
whether or not environmental work was possible in the chemical engineering
field (especially the man in Vancouver who was attempting to type with his
infant son in his arms!).  I learned a lot.

	1) I will never again refer to Chem E's (ChE's) as (gasp!) CE's.
	2) You don't design smokestacks :-).
	3) Lots of opportunities exist for those in the ChE field.

Thanks again for all your inputs.  Both my husband and I appreciate it.

Theresa
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
From: alongley@cape.UWaterloo.ca (Allan Longley)
Subject: New Process Optimization Texts
Originator: alongley@cape.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:41:13 GMT

The most recent 'good' process optimization text I know about is Edgar &
Himmelblau, "Optimization of Chemical Processes" (1988).  Anything more
recent?  Also, what about 'good' & recent texts on advanced control in
chemical engineering (ie., minimum variance control, adaptive control,
etc.)?  And while I've got your attention, recent plant design & economics
texts -- last 'good' one I know of is Peters & Timmerhaus, "Plant Design and
Economics for Chemical Engineers", 3rd Ed. (1980), and its 12 years old now!

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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: Re: New Process Optimization Texts
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:57:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.RIGG.92Apr8085748
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: alongley@cape.UWaterloo.ca's message of 7 Apr 92 22:41:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.224113.6589@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alongley@cape.UWaterloo.ca (Allan Longley) writes:

   The most recent 'good' process optimization text I know about is Edgar &
   Himmelblau, "Optimization of Chemical Processes" (1988).  Anything more
   recent?  Also, what about 'good' & recent texts on advanced control in
   chemical engineering (ie., minimum variance control, adaptive control,
   etc.)?  And while I've got your attention, recent plant design & economics
   texts -- last 'good' one I know of is Peters & Timmerhaus, "Plant Design and
   Economics for Chemical Engineers", 3rd Ed. (1980), and its 12 years old now!

I do not know about the rest, but there is a new Peters and Timmerhaus
that has only been out a few years.  Look around or join the
McGraw-Hill book club.

tim
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From: dovecote@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Simon Sherrin)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: test
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:34:18 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix


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Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Subject: Re: Environmental Work Possible?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:04:58 GMT



In sci.engr.chem you write:

>Hello,
>	This is my first post to this newsgroup.  My husband is a chemist
>wondering if it is possible to be a chemical engineer involved in work
>which is environmental in nature.  I hope this does not offend anyone, 
>but he is under the impression that chemical engineers usually do work that
>is related to doing things like researching new products, or designing 
>things like efficient smoke stacks for industry.   I would appreciate any
>inputs anyone could give about the possibility of environment conservation
>type employment for chemical engineers which any of you may have 
>experience with or know of.  Please post answers to my email address, as I
>usually do not read this news group (tmanning@bbn.com).  Thanks in advance,
>and I hope my generalized comment about CE's has not offended anyone.

>Theresa


Yes, I know Theresa asked for e-mail responses, but an egregious
viewpoint like this deserves a post.

Actually, relatively few Chem E's are involved in new product
design, and none that I know design smokestacks 
(we usually let the Mech E's handle that one).

The major growth areas that I have seen for Chem E's
are (1) environmental engineering, (2) Biotechnology, 
(3) micro-electronics manfucature, and (4) materials science
(mainly polymers and semi-conductor related materials).

If your husband has a strong background in Chemsitry, is
willing to learn, and works well with people (the last
being the most important) he should have little problem
finding environmental work.

I have a many friends in that line or work; so many
that I don't know where to start. Most of the
Engineering Contractors (eq. bechtel, Parsons) have 
growing environmental divisions, as do virtually all
major chemical firms.  There are also numerous
smaller firms that have carved out niches for themselves.
But understand - a lot of bureaucracy tends
to be involved with env. work.

If by "environmental conservation" you mean "reducing
raw material use," then that is one of the fundamental
objectives of all Ch.E's since the field was founded
in the 19th century.  For example, Ammonia is now produced
with about 1/5 the energy input as was used in the common
industrial processes of 1920's.  Also, I am a Che E.
control theorist: resource-use reduction is what my
group is all about.



 
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From: "robert wilson" <robert.wilson@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: properties of water a
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:19:02 EST
Reply-To: "robert wilson" <robert.wilson@canrem.com>
Distribution: sci
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Steve White was asking:

SW>Does anybody have references for water properties at
SW>extreme temperature and pressure

SW> 0 < T < 1000 deg C
SW>        0 < P < 1000 bar

SW>I am interested in density, viscosity, enthalpy, and thermal
SW>conductivity over these ranges of temperature and pressure.

SW>I have UK steam tables 1970 but this has some holes above
SW>350 deg C



 This should do the trick:

 Haar, L., Gallagher, J., and Knell, G., "NBS/NBC Steam Tables
 Thermodynamic and Transport Properties and Computer Programs for Vapour
 Liquid Sates of Water in SI units.", McGraw-Hill International, Toronto

 These are very much up to date.  They are curve fits of experimental data
 undertaken as a joint US/Canadian project.

 It is a major work and the formulations used have been accepted by the
 International Association for the Properties of Steam(IAPS), which as
 you probably know is the recognised authority for the properties of
 water and steam.  They are essentially replacements for the old standbys
 and Keenan, Keyes, Hill and Moore, Pollack etc

 We have used the computer programs and found them to have a few problems.
 They are also computationally very slow so we have been fitting simpler
 functions to the IAPS data.  These are many times faster and almost as
 accurate.


 Regards

 Bob Wilson      <robert.wilson@canrem.com>

  EACS - Engineering & Computing Services 
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From: dtaylor@uceng.UC.EDU (David Taylor)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
Subject: Soil Remediation under buildings
Summary: Also posted to sci.environment
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:01:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uceng.1992Apr8.210117.4578
Distribution: sci.engr.chem
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

I am looking for any information relating to Record of Decision
(RODs) to remediating soil underneath buildings.  If you know
of where I can locate such info please Email me.  I have searched
several databases and have come up empty.  Any info at all at this
point would be most helpful.  Thank you.

Dave

dtaylor@uceng.uc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.chem
From: skg9h@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Sharad Gandhi)
Subject: looking for sources for QP or/and SQP (optimisation package) in C.
Reply-To: skg9h@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Sharad Gandhi)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: uva
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:03:25 GMT


I am looking for source codes of QP (Quadratic Programming) and/or SQP
(Successive Quadratic Programming) to solve nonlinear optimization
problem with nonlinear constraints. If anybody can point to the place
where I can find them, I will appreciate it. If anyone of you have
written it for your work, could you please mail it to me?

Thanks in advance.
_sharad_
skg9h@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu

Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.engr.civil,sci.math.num-analysis
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Subject: FEM Software on public domain. Watch!
Reply-To: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:51:12 GMT


Hello there,

As I had written earlier, some FEM softwares are available at
me.uta.edu by anonymous ftp.
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the address: me.uta.edu
login as   : anonymous
password   : your e-mail address

cd /pub/science
 the file is mufea*.zip
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get these files in bin mode.

We don't have an index on this machine.  (May be we should have one 
since the traffic has increased. But the school does'nt pay for it).

Hope this helps!
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From: shihtsun@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shih-tsun Alex Chou)
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.edu,misc.education,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.chem
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:09:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <GERRY.92Apr9160546@onion.cmu.edu> gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
>   * 2. Do you beleive they discourage women or minorities from the
>eng. profession
>Discourage: Many of the foriegners come from middle eastern or
>oriental societies, both of which heavily discriminate against women.  
>
Not EVERY oriental societies heavily discriminate against women, at
least it's not the case in my home country Taiwan.

There are many other reasons discouraging women or minorities from
eng. career.  In fact, the percentage of female or minority undergrads 
in engineering areas here in the US is already low. It has been
shown that in the US females have been discouraged in math related
courses since their elementary eduacation. Minorities go the school
districts which are poor and cannot afford good facilities for
science eduacation.  And it is well known that
sex discrimination exists many workplaces here. (correcting it is
part of the functions of EEOC, right?) And so on,....

>   * 5. For Students taught by Foreign Faculty or TA's, What is your
>feedback
>
>It depends on the individual's ability to clearly express themself in
>English.  I have found that many foreign students tend to surround
>themselves with people from their home country and they talk in their
>native language.  This does little to improve their use of the English
>language.  You are only as good as your ability to clearly communicate
>your ideas.
>
Talking to their countrymen in their mother language has little to do
with their English ability. You probably just feel uncomfortable when
you are besides this situation. But, there are a lot of American
businessman and students in Taipei who like to gather in a pub or
bar and talk to each other in English, and I don't think there's 
anything wrong with them.

Egoism hinders communication and understanding.

>.....
>of ideas and ideologies, when a graduate engineering department has
>more than 50% foreign students, something is quite wrong.
>
In fact, most of the graduate programs have much higher requirements in
accepting foreign student. If the American students are still less than
50%, then it's a good time to figure out reasons other than only
blaming foreign students.

Best wishes,
Alex Chou
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Re: On-line Information Sources for Engineers
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:37:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.031737.13840@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> eastick@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Doug Eastick) writes:

> Anyone aware of an on-line db for cross referencing steels?  I am often
>presented with the problem of manufacturing a part with European spec
>(Finnish anyway) or 25CrMo4.  

MPD Network contains a number of databases (MPD stands for Materials
Property Data), including something called MDG (Metals Datafile), 
which they say "contains numeric and property information on nearly
all ferrous and nonferrous alloy systems," as well as STEELTUF, with 
results from more than 15,000 tests on more than 100 steels,
searchable by materials, CAS registry numbers, and test information.

In addition, there's MATBUS (materials business file with
"techno-commercial developments in iron, steel, non-ferrous metals,
and engineered materials;")  MARTUF, on-line version of Steels
Alaert (and a few other publications); MH5, produced by the
U.S. government, with design, mechancial, and physical properties for
metallic aerospace materials; and a few other metal-related things.

They are at 2540 Olentangy River Road, Box 02224, Columbus, OH
43202 USA Phone: 800-848-6533.

Hope this helps.

Sharon  

-- 
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Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: jal1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Alfred Locker)
Subject: Police radar / Baseball
Summary: will it work?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:24:01 GMT

This weekend the annual Thurtene Carnival was held here at Wash U.  One
of our engineering honor societies had a booth where people were to guess
how fast they could throw a baseball.

The problem was that the radar gun they used didn't work very well.  They used
an old police radar gun, and it didn't seem to pick up on the speed of the ball
very well when the ball was thrown more than 40 mph.  When little kids threw
(20-30 mph), the radar usually worked, though.  The booth was roughly 25-35 feet
long, and the gun was located about 7-10 feet behind the back of the booth.

In general, can police radar guns be used to clock the speed of baseballs?  Or
is there something inherently wrong with this setup (ie. beamwidth)?  What
about noise?

---
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Warshington University in St. Louis
jal1@saturn.wustl.edu 
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: machin@elec.uq.oz.au (EUS legend)
Subject: Drinking songs for engineers (instead of this boring shit....)
Summary: a quick EUS song
Keywords: EUS song filthy
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:18:29 GMT

A quick song from the Engineering Undergraduate Society (EUS)  repertoire,
this one dating back to the 60s, entitled "The engineers warcry"

RING A DING DING
RING A DING DING
WE ARE THE BOYS FROM ENGINEERING
WE DON'T SMOKE
WE DON'T DRINK
WE DON'T EVEN FUCKING THINK
WE ARE RETARDED, UGHHH!

more filthy EUS songs to follow, stay tuned........
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: estrak@aix.rpi.edu (Kelvin Rafael Estrada)
Subject: Temperature data of the Mojave Desert
Keywords: Temperature Data, Mojave Desert.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:42:28 GMT

Is there anybody out there who knows how I can get Temperature Data from
the Mojave Desert, CA.
Specifically I am looking for data on July 28, Sep. 15, and Nov. 24 1990
around the Town of Boron (near the Kramer Junction).
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Rafael Estrada,   estrak@rpi.edu
From: weisberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Arel Y. Weisberg)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Creating Vector Plots on Macintoshes
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:32:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Does anyone know of a good and inexpensive vector plotting program for macs?
(I'm looking to plot 2-D vector fields)

Thanks for your help

Arel Weisberg
weisberg@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: brent@cco.caltech.edu (Brent R. Eubanks)
Subject: Re: On-line Information Sources for Engineers
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:37:54 GMT

hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 4983) writes:


>How about a posting here too?

>--
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>Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, AUSTRALIA, 3168.
>phone: 03 565 4983  fax: 03 565 4944 or 3409 intnl: +61 3 565 ....
>e-mail: roger.hadgraft@eng.monash.edu.au


Yes, please!

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