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Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:26:59 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Salam alaikum,

it seems that the comment I made, "so how about some muslim brotherhood" made
someone upset. I apologize. I did not know that it would be offensive. On
another newsgroup I would have been an "asshole" and insisted I was right,
however, in this case, I think it was un-called for. I am slightly, not
too much, aware of how Pakistan, Iran, and Saudia Arabia have been trying 
to manipulate the outcome in Afghanistan, and this bothers me alot because
not just because I am from Pak, but also because I have always believed and 
always wanted to believe that Pakistan was being self-less in helping a
neighboring Muslim country, and a country with very close language and cultural
ties at that. Also because I have Afghani friends who can speak Urdu, I can 
speak Pashto (somewhat). I put in the comment of Muslim brotherhood only
because a I saw a shit article implying somwhow that Afghanistan "belonged"
to Iran, as if that was Iran's birthright. I only said this to emphasize
that any sort of political unification should and must come as a result of
Islamic ties. That's all.

sincerely
zafar minhas
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:13:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:31:52 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

  
Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
Islamabad.  This historic wellcome has refreshened the memories of
the similar reception given to Ayatullah Ali Khamanai, then president
of Iran, when he had visited Pakistan.  Pakistani government had to 
take strict security measures at this occasion.

This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
Islamic Revolution in abroad.  It clearly shows that Islamic revolution
still rules the hearts of not only the Muslim people of Iran but of the whole
Islamic World also.  This rousing wellcome dashes the hopes of open
and hidden enemies (MUNAFIQIN) of Islamic revolution and warms the blood
of MOMINEEN ( believers).

regards,

Asad.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:33:08 EDT
From: <OMARS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Afghan news item

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups:
clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.fighting,clari.news.group,clari.news.pol
itics
Subject: Peace force replaces Afghan rebels around Kabul
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:44:18 PDT
Location: afghanistan



Here is the latest:

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- A joint peace force made up of all
mujahideen parties Monday replaced troops of dissident Afghan leader
Gulbadin Hekmatyar in the hills around Kabul, according to the Afghan
Islamic Press.
        The News Agency, affiliated with the Yunus Khalis group of Afghan
mujahideen, said the force, raised from five provinces around Kabul,
took control of the hills overlooking the capital from Hekmatyar's men.
        Hekmatyar used the hills to shell Kabul during last month'fighting
with the troops loyal to President Burhanuddin Rabbani. more than 2,000
people were killed in the fighting and 9,000 were wounded.
        On Aug. 26 Hekmatyar and Rabbani signed a cease-fire agreement, drawn
by a joint peace mission of all mujahideen parties, and ended the
fighting.
        The agreement called for Rabbani to accept Hekmatyar's demand for
removal of former communist militia, now allied with the government,
from Kabul. In return, Hekmatyar agreed to withdraw his troops from the
hills around Kabul.
        The agreement also authorized the peace mission to create a buffer
zone between the two rivals with a force of 5,000 soldiers from all the
mujahideen parties.
        The Afghan News Agency, affiliated with Hekmatyar's Hizbe Islami
party, said the militia continued shelling Hizbe positions in the
northern Afghan province of Baghlan for the seventh consecutive day
Monday.
        The agency said Hizbe forces launched a counter-offensive and killed
25 militiamen and captured 15.
        Meanwhile, Radio Kabul resumed its regular broadcast Monday after a
gap of three weeks. Rockets, fired by Hizbe Islami, had destroyed its
main transmitter.
From: yea027@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Not an Advertisement
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:07:28 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Sep5.061419.14899@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>From: Zafar Minhas (Management And Resource Evaluations)
>To: Anyone in the Midwest Area who needs the following computer services
>Re: Computer Consultant Group
>
>Hello everyone, and for those that it is appropriate for, Salam Alaikum
>
>My name is Zafar Minhas. I am sure alot of you have read some of my postings
>before. I along with two other friends have started a very hip and up and 
>coming computer consultant firm. We specialize but are not limited to:
>1)Programming (PC Assembler, C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, PL/1, Prolog, BASIC, DOS,               UNIX, Windows)
>2)Scientific Computing with special emphasis on algorithm analysis
>3)Operating System environments like DOS, UNIX, and OS/2
>4)Statistical Analysis with engineering application and scientific analysis
>  with non-engineering application
>5)Simulation
>6)Computer graphics and animation
>7)Applications like Corell Draw and Pagemaker
>8)Database formation and management, specialize in Paradox and we are the 
>  ultimate in PAL.
>9)Network setup and maintenance, specialize in Novell and Ethernet.
>9)General Training and Consultation
>
>
>We are Management and Resource Evaluations:
>	Dr. Zaid Ansari, PhD (Senior Consultant)
>	Zafar Minhas (Programmer/Consultant)
>	Ismael Abd-ul-Raheem (Applications Consultant)
>
>Please let us make our service available to anyone you may know in the Mid-West
>area. We have contracts with big organizations and small ones. But all of them
>are left with a smile on their face and satisfaction is guaranteed. Let us 
>serve you. please contact me through e-mail.
>
>sincerely
>(jazakum allah khairan)
>
>zafar t. minhas

>>Methinks this is not an appropriate place to advertise business. Wasn't some
>>guy told he was going to lose his net-access priviledges for doing this
>>sort of thing a while back? But then I could be wrong.

--

lk(with the man in the yellow hat)

Salam alaikum,
I think more than an advertisement, this is a service to the Middle Eastern (Muslim) community.  Notice the three brothers are all Muslim and also recognize to which news groups the article was posted.
salam,
Mariam Bashar
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:34:26 GMT


>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>
>Charter:
>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.

NOoooooooooooo! 

It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to 
English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.

What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally 
retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and 
woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?

Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called 
Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it 
talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature 
in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).

>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>
>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>the subcontinent

Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and 
Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions 
of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of 
traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
body covering clothes or Purdah. 

Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.

B. Kumar
From: endevour@wam.umd.edu (...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Cultura dar Afghanistan
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:08:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <babak.715478027@vlsi1> babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>Afghan, means load scream from pain or sorrow.  Afghanistan was part of 
>origional Iran, which was forced out of Iran by England around 100 or so years
>ago.

If you want to make such a far fetched claim as Afghanistan being a part of
Iran, then pleasee give reliable refrences. It is the third time that you 
make such a claim with the arrogance that has become intolerable. We, the  
Afghans, too have some lunatics in our country who would claim that Iran and 
India is part of Afghanistan. Of course it is none but utter nonsense. 

During the history of the region I will grant that, periodically ,one nation
conquered its neighbours but this does not imply permanent annexation.   
Afghanistan has been a free country since ages and has never been, and just
in case you are confused, it will never be part of Iran or any country what
so ever.  

And as for the refrence I have asked, please do not use some jolly Iranian
brother with unlimited imagination but use western historians.  

Thank you.


> Anyway, We the current Iranians would respect our brothers wishes if they
> want to stay independent, or whatever path they choose. 

Oh, gee , thanks a lot. How nice of you and the rest of "current Iranians"
whom I presume you claime to reprsent, to "respect" our wish to be independent. 
What can I say, maybe we will erect a bronze statue of yours some where
in Kabul in memory of your great sacrifice. I takes a great man to slice 
a piece of "its" country and give it away to "seperationists" i.e  the Afghans.
What do you say to the Kurds in north of Iran. They too "wish" to be 
independent would you be as magnanimous as you have so far been with  
the Afghans. 'Nuf daid.  


> line deleted
>                         Babak   Sehari.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.afghanistan:968 soc.culture.pakistan:14685
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Al-Mawlid Al-Nabaawi E-sharif
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:09:14 GMT

In article <BuEEAq.Kt8@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T
Minhas) writes:
>I found this in soc.culture.arabic
>
>>
>>Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatu Allah all brothers and sisters in Islam.
>>
>>These days we remember THE BIRTH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED (pbuh) and the
>>Muslim Ummah in a state that no one will ENVY IT FOR. But THE HOPE IS
>>THERE and THE CHANGE IS POSSIBLE. The only condition to taking the 
>>effective  known and available medecine is to be able to see beyond
>>the word : "AHAD AHAD .. " of BILAL and to see beyond BADR and less 
>>than 320 people to see THE VAST SPACES of the spread of ISLAM in one 
>>century - When we see and Act - we start making HISTORY again.
>>
>>What we do is only for us - ISLAM IS VICTORIOUS SOONER OR LETTER -
>>with us or without us and with others. This has been promised by
>>ALLAH. "Fa Allahu Akbar wa al-Aqibatu lilmuttaqin".
>>
>>So  let's CELEBRATE THE MAWLID BY A STRONG INTENTION FOR CHANGE
>>TO THE BETTER AND BY  HARD WORK AND JIHAD (UTMOST EFFORT) IN 
>>THE PATH OF ALLAH and HIS PROPHET.
>>--
>> Malek.
>> 
>> "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
>>  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
>
>
>



Which exact date is it?

Kill @iid w-into bKayr,

(I hope though that we are finished wished with fihads and crusades)



elie wardini
From: soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Sep13.144212.25797
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

saouma@bechtel (SAOUMA VICTOR E) writes:

>When a person like Khaled Sioufi finds himself defending Elie Hobeika,
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BS.

>then indeed everything is possible in Lebanon. All those ``unnatural''
>alliances we have had, are also beng done by some of us (who may
>have been most critical about those done by others).

>How Sad it is!

Actually, what is sad is that you didn't understand a word I said.  I
guess part of the reason you did not quote me anywhere showing where I
"defended Hobeika" is because you chose to rely on your obviously
thrashing mind and did not stuck with the facts.

If you choose to mention people by name and attribute to them things
your mind think they said, then try to be a little more factual and
less rhetorical.  I don't think it makes any sense for you to distort
the words of people whom you disagree with just so that you can create
your own little false premise and attack them personally.  And learn
how to spell/type their names too, it's the least courteous thing one
can do!

>Victor E. Saouma

-- 
+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
| U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------+
From: shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:51:02 GMT

In article <Dfq-LJB@engin.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
: [ Article crossposted without permission ]
: [ Author was UPI ]
: [ Posted on Tue, 8 Sep 92 10:19:17 PDT ]
: 
: 	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- Lebanon's third and last phase of general
: elections in southern Lebanon Tuesday brought more warlords and Muslim
: fundamentalists to Parliament.
: 	According to official results released Tuesday afternnon, the 22-
: member list headed by the pro-Syrian Shiite Amal movement leader Nabih
: Berri scored a sweeping victory, defeating feudal lord and former House
: Speaker Kamel Assad.
: 	Bahiya Hariri, sister of Lebanese-born Saudi tycoon Rafic Hariri who
 	^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: was running on Berri's list, won the largest number of votes.
: 	Mustafa Saad,...........
:	..........


	Is it true that Bahiya Hariri offered $2000.00 for each
	person that votes in her favor , and that she paid for 
	round trip plane tickets for some Lebanese in Saudi Arabia
	to vote for her as well ? 


 Walid
 -----
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:22:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BuFr3B.BwK@ecf.toronto.edu>, hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.145714.7290@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep11.110437.13857@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Now, That's what we call Politics....Elie!! :)....and this goes to fulfill
|> mr Ballouz's wish of her being a good politician :).
|> 

Maybe, but it does not say much about her integrity....
(Maybe she likes the black flags of Hezbollah :-) :-))

Heheheh....

Regards, Elie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms (AOUN and the south)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:01:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.083355.29009@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
> In article <1992Sep6.104031.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> 
> 
>>A global approach for lebanon needs a global leader who is elected by Lebanese
> without any pressure from any country. I agree that this is impossible with the
> present situation (the Israeli occupation and the syrian presence in lebanon)
> however, Aoun was not that kind of global leader neither any of the lebanese
> presidents that we have seen. 
>>
> 
> 
> 
> you forgot one adjective: The Syrian BROTHERLY presence in Lebanon, helping to
> protect the Lebanese gainst themselves.
 that is right but the lebanese system and the lebanese president now and
before asked officially for their presence. 
> May God grant them according to their goodness.
> 
> 
> You claim Aoun is not so enthousiastic about getting the Israelis out of
> Lebanon.
> 
> Contrary to what you say, I myself have heard him many times speak out as
> harshly against the Israely occupation of the Lebanon.
 even bashir he used to speak harshly against the israelis but he used to have
friendly meetings with them in Israel when most of lebanon was under occupation
and thousands of lebanese were in israeli prison camps. as you say later on it
is not important what Aoun says (what counts, is what he does). 
> Nevertheless, it is not so important what Aoun says, as much as what we all do
> is important.
  
> What do you want and what do I want? These are the real questions.
what we want is a lebanon where all lebanese are the same class
where religion has no role in selecting people for office from a soldier in the
army to the president of the country.
we need an army for everybody, protects everybody with action not action for
some and talk for others.(I can give many examples for this statement or for
all of the above if anybody wishes.)
we need a lebanese goverment on the top of its agenda is the occupation and how
we can get the Israelis out of lebanon. 
as a result, all non-lebanese forces should be out of lebanon even before all
of the above are satisfied. even I doubt that the Israelis or the Syrians will 
leave easily.
> I hope that you too want to get rid of the Syrian occupation as much as you
> want others to be enthousiastic about ridding Lebanon! from the Israeli
> occupation
officially, the syrian presence is not considered an occupation. Eventhough I
hope that they leave sometime soon. however, as I mentioned before it does not
look like this will happen soon.
> 
> elie wardini
A. Fardoun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Elections end with sweeping victory for pro-Syrian candidates
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.104137.12638@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>In article <BuHKMI.CrI@ecf.toronto.edu> hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep12.184758.4353@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>>>In article <BuFr3B.BwK@ecf.toronto.edu> hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep11.145714.7290@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>
>  Stuff deleted
>
>>I meant what I said about her making a good political judgement in running
>>on Berri's list. She knew and we know that Berri has a great support in the
>>south, and those who vote for him will most probably vote for those on his list.
>>And since the South and the Nabatiye provinces formed one electoral district,
>>it simply meant that Berri's supporters ( and they are the majority, by far, in
>>the south) are capable of tipping the balance in favor of whoever is on their
>>list in almost whichever area in the south he/she might be (as was proven in
>>the latest results). Knowing that, Ms. Hariri made a good political decision 
>>by joining Berri as a running mate. That made it especially vital for her when 
>>all other factions and old enemies joined that same list.  
>
>I am not an expert on our electoral system but what I know is that you need
>two Sunni moslems to be elected from the Saida area.
>Among the Sunni moslems who were contesting these two seats Ms. Hariri, by far,
>is preferred. The rest (whether Mr. Saad , the fundamentalists or others who
>belong to famous families) were not sure about the support they have since
>so many things had happened in the last twenty years(last time the election tookplace). Some were not sure about their traditional supporters. Others did gain
>some support because of their positions in the war but they have also managed to create many many ennemies.
>This did not apply to Ms Hariri.
>
>Here, the other members of her list were the real beneficials since they
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
beneficiaries is the accurate word, sorry all.

>were not able to find a better candidate to run for the Sunnis.
>
>So I do not agree with your analysis. However, I am glad you had explained
>what you had meant in the first place.
>
>>Samir.  
>
>Ibrahim.
>-- 


-- 
*******************************************************************************
* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Jesse Helmes ( Now St Assad)
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:11:32 GMT

In article <4012@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>>From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
>>
>>Gee, I don't want to be accused of tainting the name of St. Assad.
>>I'm going to really laugh when Assad signs a peace treaty with Israel.
>>(How easy it was for him to manipulate people)
>
>	Today you hate Assad Yesterday you did not, who knows what will
>	you do tomorrow.????
>
>	I always knew Assad and never was deceived by his rheotoric. I
>	knew Assad from the 69th attack on Tall-AzzaAtar. I assusme you 
>	were happy about what Assad was doing that day.
>
>A Jaber

A Jaber,

  Are you upset that Assad may sign a peace treaty with Israel, or that it may
be signed at the expense of Lebanon?  Big difference.


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon