HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.193307.10557@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>In article <6737@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons) writes:
>>Judy asks:
>>>Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
>>>to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
>>>parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 
>>
>>Both parents don't have to work, but the non-working one has to be a
>>full-time student.
>
>  I don't know how it works for a student.  But as long as you are
>  claiming Ron's non-job income as income on your taxes you get a
                                    ^^^^^^

I think that shoud read *Earned* income. Things like interest, dividends,
lottery winnings, etc, are not going to cut it.

The rule of thumb is that you need to put the child in some sort of care, so 
you can generate income. There are some exceptions. Lynne mentions being a
full time student, another is using daycare so the non-working parent can
look for work. 

The fact that Judy's husband is still taking care of Erin (an assumption)
while Mitch is in preschool pretty much disproves the criteria. If both
kids were in preschool, they may be able to finangle the credit somehow, but
it may not be strictly legal. As we all know, in taxes, there are many ways to
fudge. People have to decide how they want to handle that sort of thing.

If Judy's husband was self employed, and working at home, then it would be
acceptable. Judy's post says non-job income, which I assume is not self
employment income.

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say 
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:40:23 GMT

This one is from the local paper from a week or so ago:

As 2 boys were playing on the sidewalk, a man walked by with a dog on a leash.
Naturally, as the children saw the dog approaching they became curious. One
of them got close so he could touch the dog. The owner warned him: "Be careful,
this is a watch dog!". The boy then looked at the dog straight in the face and
asked "him": "What time is it?". Kids logic ... gotta love them.

Martin
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From: naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:35:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

>>
>>You will be safest if you (1) get a good fence around your house--I've
>>never known a dog to jump or dig under a fence to get INTO somebody's
>>yard, just to get out of their own
>
> We have (what I consider) a good fence.  It keeps our golden retriever
> and shepard mix in, even though they'd love to be in the woods.  But it
> didn't keep the husky out that got into our yard the night I gave birth
> to Marie.  And there's a little mutt that keeps cutting through our yard
> (if I ever catch him...).  He slips under the fence, and it's too much
> trouble to try to keep him out -- he never stays long, he's just taking
> a short cut.
>
> But I think these are bizarre cases.  Paula's right -- a good fence
> should keep your child safe from lose mutts.
>
I hate to tell you this, but a good fence didn't stop my neighbors cocker
spaniel from digging into my yard from my neighbores
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:22:06 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
 <1992Sep1.185241.5345@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
 <920802.081852.7888@circus.Camex.COM>

In article <920802.081852.7888@circus.Camex.COM>, kathynv@circus.Camex.COM
(Kathy Nicklas-Varraso) says:
>
>
>Not to upset all you pregnant moms out there, but the only "cure"
>I found was to have my daughter.  The morning after she was born,
                                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I got up, ran to the bathroom with my hand over my mouth, and
           ~~~
All I can say Kathy, is I hope I can RUN anywhere the morning
after my next baby is born!!! :-)

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:51:47 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:

> I have noticed that my 2YO son is almost to the point of outgrowing his
> baby carseat. Since I would like to move him to the booster variety, I
> would like to know what kinds are best. thanks.
> 
> PS: I saw some in a thrift shop that looked okay on the surface, but upon
> closer inspection, I noticed each one had a small crack in the plastic. So
> if you do want to buy one used, check it over VERY carefully. I think I'll
> just get a new one.
> 
> * * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * 
> 

My son is four and still in his carseat.  He is a small kid, so he hasn't 
outgrown it yet.  I feel, why rush him, he's safer there as long as he
can fit comfortably.  It isn't some milestone to outgrow a carseat, just
safety.  Well anyway, to Lady Dragon's question, most of the booster
type seats are rated for 35 or 40 lbs, or more.  My son is not quite
35 lbs.  Can any of you net.parents tell me, as Lady Dragon said,
what you have found to be the best one?  And is it as safe as a
carseat??  As I said my son fits in his carseat just fine, (it's
rated to 40 lbs), although after four years the plastic on it is
quit torn, so it looks like it has been though hell and back.  No
cracks in seat itself, just in the plasic upustory.  My husband and
I have been debating on getting a new one or a booster type, but I 
still keep feeling like he is safer in a full carseat as long as
he can fit.


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: skejriwa@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sangita Kejriwal)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Cover Recommendations
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:05:05 GMT
Reply-To: skejriwa@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sangita Kejriwal)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS

In article <6721@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mike
Gauland) writes:
>Any recommendations for diaper covers which don't leak, and seem comfortable
>(i.e., no sharp edges)? Every one we've tried either leaves a rash on Aidan's
>tummy, or has too little elastic on the legs.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike-with-the-poopy-shoes

Hi!  I just love the Biobottoms Wool wraps, though they
sure look bulky under clothes.  Also, I just received the
bumkins wraps  (from the Right Start catalog ), & haven't 
had much experience with them, but they sure look very
nice, are made with a nice soft vinyl-like-material, &
have no sharp edges at all ( feel really nice all over!).
                                        Sangita.

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From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Mastitius (sp?) cures & stimulating let-down
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:29:24 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	Can someone who followed the recent discussion summarize the
gist of it for me?  I have a friend with a 3 week old that is
desparate for advice and I've never had a problem.  I tried to 
remember what I read and suggested she try to contact the LaLeche
people.
	Specifically, she had a 3 week premature baby boy ~7 lbs 3 oz.
He was sucking fine, she thought tho she did have to stimulate him
to stay awake.  About 9 days after the birth, she was still pretty
engourged and ran a temperature.  The doctor said to use hot 
compresses, feed the baby frequently and try to get some rest.  THe
baby would eat for 20-30 minutes, sleep for 15, and the wake up and
cry so she would try to feed again.  At the 2 week checkup for the
baby, he was still under his bith weight.  So, the pediatrician said
to feed the baby more frequently, if possible, and see her OB.  The
OB said she had mastitus and gave her an antibiotic.  She is
massaging the breast, using compresses, drinking a little wine before
feeding, trying to drink lots of fluids, and going crazy with worry.
Two days latter, the pediatrician said to supplement with formula
because the baby still hadn't gained any weight.  Three days after
that the baby has gained 3 oz.  The top part of the breast is now
softer, but the under part is very hard.  Additionally, a quarter
size part of the nipple on the side that is hard is still swollen.
About 2/5 of the breast is still very hard underneath.
	The doctor said that she probably wasn't getting a good let down
and she should try to stimulate that.  The only things I could
remember to tell her to help was relaxing, drinking warm fluids,
drinking a little wine, hot compresses, and massage.
	Is there anything else she can do?  She's really getting upset,
which probably isn't helping, and frustrated about the whole thing.

Thanks.


Julia
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rear-facing carseats
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:07:13 GMT
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

This is just related to car-safety. It is highly recommended NOT to have loose
items in the car (groceries, toys, books, etc). During an accident these items
become projectiles and can cause severe head injuries. (Not related to car-
seats, but it just came to mind ... I know of an accident in which everyone was
well strapped to their seats but one child got hit in the head by a loose piece 
of wood as the car overturned).

Martin
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From: jstevens@rcsuna.gmr.com (Joni Stevenson IN44)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:01:33 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

In article <1992Aug25.164906.13814@hemlock.cray.com> clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes:
>
>Question for netland:  How much less safe is it to put the rear-facing
>infant seat in the front seat instead of the center of the back seat?

In frontal crashes, the advantage of rear compared to corresponding front
seating position is larger than for all crash directions combined.  (Frontal
collisions account for 36% of all accidents.)  Comparing rear to front
fataility risk in the left, center, and right seating positions, there is
a reduced fatality risk of 37%, 30%, and 38% respectively for rear seat
occupants.

In comparing the results for frontal crashes only to those for crashes
in all directions, frontal crashes are associated with a larger fatality
risk for front seat occupancy compared to rear seat occupancy, and a
diminished reduction is associated with center compared to outboard
occupancy.

In rear impacts, occupants in rear seats are at a considerably higher
fatality risk than those in the front seat.  However, only a small
fraction of rear seat occupant fatalities are due to rear impact.  This
is because rear impact crashes tend to be low severity, even though
there are many such crashes (typically "fender-bender" types, whereas
a typical fatal crash is a single car impacting a fixed object at
high speed.)

For side impacts, there is really no difference in fatality risk between
front seat and rear seat occupants.  The determining factor in side 
impacts is location of impact with respect to occupant.  The near-side
occupant is 158% more likely to be killed than the far-side occupant.
The center seating position is the the second safest seat in these
side impacts, behind the far-side occupant seating position.

All in all, the center rear seat is associated with the lowest fatality
risk than any other seating position when all occupants are restrained
or unrestrained.                                     

Joni Stevenson
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.032823.28034@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes...
> 
>I would probably opt to drive Jeffrey to school too. Lucky that many
>parents can afford the luxury of this choice, but many cant, so it should
>still be a concern.
> 
OK, But do you realize there are risks in driving them to school?
A few years ago there was a horrible accident in this area. A school
bus was stopped on a two lane road, another car was stopped behind it.
A third car came over the hill at a very high rate of speed, and shoved
the second car under the school bus. In the second car was a woman
and her two children, all belted/carseated. The two children died
(the top of the car was sheared off). If I remember correctly, no one
on the bus died. Life is a crapshoot at best. If I seem macabre today,
it is due to the fact that last week the 6 year old son of a co-worker
was killed after falling off a tractor. Today should have been his
first day in first grade, instead they are burying him this morning.

                                           Patti Twigg
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 12:16:23 -0400 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: No morning sickness second time around
	<BtyDMG.7tu@apollo.hp.com>

On 02-Sep-92 in Re: No morning sickness sec..
user Betsy Perry@apollo.hp.co writes:
>>my first pregnancy was so easy I am afraid I used up all
>>my luck and this one will not be so easy.  
> 
>Heh, heh.  I feel that way about babies -  my daughter was such a
>ridiculously easy baby, I'm afraid I've been spoiled; the next one's
>bound to have colic at the very least.

Take heart.  Both of my children turned out wonderful.  After having
such a perfect little boy, I was afraid God would get revenge & send us
a little monster, but we got really luck and have another angel!

Of course, the pregnancies were TERRIBLE, so maybe I was paying in advance!

Laura
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing and howto get the FAQ(s)?
Summary: full bladder?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:56:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Sep1.175615.3662
Organization: AT&T

I had always heard of needing a "full bladder" for an ultrasound,
but for the 2 I've had so far, a full bladder was not required.
Why is this?  Does it depend on the kind/brand of ultrasound
equipment?  Maybe "newer" ones are accurate without a full bladder?
Or is a full bladder needed only at certain stages, like the very
end of pregnancy?  I don't know, just asking.

(actually, I was glad a full bladder was not required, although it doesn't
 seem to matter since it seems "full" all the time anyway!)

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan '93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:21:41 GMT

In article <2515@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM> sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
>
>  But make sure that the "frame" formed by the timbers encloses a large
>enough area, so that your child would indeed land on the gravel, not the
>timbers or the area outside the timbers.  It is *amazing* how far a child
>can go if they fall from the highest point on a swing's trajectory.  My

I have been looking into swing sets, and they all seem to say the same thing -
Take the dimension of the swingset, and add 6 feet to all 4 sides.

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:19:26 GMT

We have a 5-year-old boy and a 1-year-old girl, so we've been
able to observe both sexes from day one. Our conclusion: there
is a difference. Sugar and spice, puppy dogs tales, etc. is true.
Our little girl from an early age did more hugging and kissing
of dolls than our boy ever did and this was not something we 
taught. (she even hugs and kisses his toxic crusader doll, 
something he never would think of. The boy, though we tried
to have a no gun policy, makes guns out of his fingers, and 
did this early. The girl, tho she loves roughhousing and wrestling
as much as the boy, and does play vroom vroom, etc., is 
softer, truly in a sugar and spice way. There's no question
about it.

My sister gave me a great book about a kindergarten teacher
who goes into her job and is disgusted by the sex-role
stereotyping she sees at first, but by the end of the book
she comes to an understanding. We see the kids and the process
she goes through to come to grips with the differences
between boys and girls. I highly recommend it, especially
for ardent feminists:
"Boys And Girls: Superheroes in the Doll Corner" by Vivian Gussin
Paley, University of Chicago Press, 1984.
From: n2ktj@sun102.cci.com (Darren Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:39:40 GMT
	<aidler.714089686@sanjuan> <16ti5pINN9gu@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY

>>>>> Regarding Re: God's family values; stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) adds:

Achim> In article <aidler.714089686@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
Achim> |> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:

Achim> |> Now I have a question for you: do you assume that 
Achim> |> Christian parents are abusing their children with
Achim> |> their teachings?

Achim> Depends. I don't know all Christian sects. Members of the Catholic sect
Achim> "Angel's Work" for example definitely do.

Achim> What if a 15 year old throws herself in front of a car to "prove that she
Achim> has a guardian angle"? (Happened approx. 2 month ago in Germany.)

Achim> What if a 4 year old "wants to die," because she "wants to be a _young_
Achim> angel"? (Seen here in misc.kids)

Achim> Etc.
Achim> 								  Achim

And what about those kids trying to fly from the 4th floor after seeing
Superman (or some other similar show)?  It's all relative isn't it?
--

Darren Swartzendruber			Internet: n2ktj@cci.com
Northern Telecom NAS		Packet->Internet: n2ktj@w2xo.wpa.pa.usa.no

                      Jesus is the Lord of my life!
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing and howto get the FAQ(s)?
Summary: full bladder
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:25:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Aug30.232544.2345
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <BtEtBw.KCt@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> I need the FAQ(s).
> 
> Also what is ultra-sound all about?

Ultra sound is all about having to drink a lot of water
so you have a full bladder for a couple of hours, more water
than you could comfortably hold even if someone wasn't doing
Olympic gymnastics on your already squished bladder.  Your
bladder has to be full enough that the way you are sitting
in the car influences whether you are too distracted to
drive or not.

Kate (next ultra sound in 2 days and already looking forward to it) Perkins
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Date: 2 Sep 1992 14:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <180n82INN5ae@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) writes:
|> 
|> You wouldn't trust an adult child's feelings about her own mother's
|> parenting ability?  What better judge could there be?

The same child after SHE has kids of her own. BIG difference.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 3 Ninjas
Keywords: ninjas movies kids
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:18:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

As a Martial Arts instructor, 3 Ninjas is a blessing for me.  We
have sleepovers on the mats a couple times/year and as a wind down
activity I like to show a video. 

Karate Kid (1 -3) does not hold their attention.  So the only
not too violent MA videos I knew of were "young dragons, the 3
kung fu kids"  which I commend to you as (for kids) interesting,
tame (no blood whatsoever).  The first one is a better movie, but
the second one has some seriouls awesome kung fu :-)

Next time: 3 Ninjas for sure!
===================================================================
   ** my dream: voice, video, data, 3 services, 1 network **
===================================================================

Stephen Northcutt (snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil)     Networks Program Manager
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat (safety)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:59:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug25.164906.13814@hemlock.cray.com>, clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes...
> 
>Question for netland:  How much less safe is it to put the rear-facing
>infant seat in the front seat instead of the center of the back seat?

OK, I'm guessing. I would say that the difference is marginal at best. 
Maybe an infant in the center back would survive a serious collision in which 
everyone else in the car was killed, because it's further away from anything 
when the car is crushed. I would say that an infant in the passenger seat has 
at least as good a chance of survival as the driver, if the seat is installed 
properly (although most drivers probably would rather it was not *their* side 
of the car which is going to hit the power pole, given the choice). If you're 
on your own with the baby, weigh this up against those not-so-momentary losses 
of concentration when you turn around to see what's the matter with baby 
in the back.

Andrew, Vancouver
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Wood Playsets
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:23:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov


we purchased a "kit" for a wood playset. it comes with all
the metal and plastic stuff for the swings. it comes with
precut lumber and dowels for the ladders. there are different
configurations..we did a fort and standard swings (2). it
was about 1/2 the cost of the expensive sets.
we got it at a local lumber store (84 Lumber i believe it
is called).
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: message for Susan Gauch
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:40:00 GMT

Sorry to waste bandwidth folks - Susan, my message to you
bounced back, just got it back today. Could you e-mail to me
your address? Thanks.
                              Patti Twigg
                              stpat@lepvax.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.kids