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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: 38 Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Originator: stdeprie@c00500-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:30:17 GMT


>Query:  In STIV:TVH, they land this cloaked BOP in the middle of Golden
>Gate Park and it is *completely* invisible.  Doesn't this seem just a
>little silly that it is completely invisible, espically since in STIII:TSFS
> found it by looking for the distortion against the stars?

well, I guess the only explanation beyond that off what the script called for
is that it was not moving.  *shrug*

Ever notice how transporters seem to have a range of what is required for
the script?  I'm surprised the tech manual gave a range.  Should have given
it as: Transporter Range:  what ever the writer wants it to be for suspense,
effect, etc.....  *grin*
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:31:26 GMT

Wait a sec. Why did he *have* to give up his rank to command
the E? We've seen other non-Captains command ships. WHY did he
give the rank up? Could someone please explain that?

---
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		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
                (Tazewell and Va-Pen chapters)
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:45:45 GMT

In <C0Iqwx.CGr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:
>I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
>What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
>reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
>they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
>must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.

This may be what you're hearing, but is it what they're saying?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"Can this world not do better than you for a champion?"
"Probably.  I just do the best I can."
					- The Brigadier
					  Doctor Who, "Battlefield"
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From: warn@newton.uvm.edu (Patrick D Warn)
Subject: Re: TNG Uniforms vs. DS9 Uniforms vs. Academy Uniforms
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:37:37 GMT

Actually, the DS9 uniforms look more like coveralls or work clothes. They have a
very baggy fit and the rank pips are on the inner collor. Just a thought.
--
                     Wondering what it all means,
                                 Pat
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From: dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad)
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Distribution: mi
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:06:09 GMT

In case any local Trekkies have missed it, DS9, or at least the premiere,
is being broadcast on the Detroit Fox affiliate, channel 50 this Sunday,
January 10 at 3 pm.

David R. Conrad
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:40:13 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1iaalpINNqs9@news.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
<As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area are carrying DS9
<here in Baltimore...Only an Independant station and a Washington channel are
<carrying it. Not that I'm complaining, but since the fox stations are carrying
<the normal ST:TNG why not the DS9 as well?

Damn, how many times do we have to tell you (you = many net readers) this....

ST:TNG and ST:DS9 and SYNDICATED.  They are NOT broadcast by a network.

Pay attention, so we don't have to tell you again.
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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:07 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan6.234444.584@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes...
> 
>The Trill seems to be the name for the two things together, the worm and
>the host.  They live symbiotically, and it is completely voluntarily on
>both the worm's and the host's parts.  When the worm is implanted, it
>completely takes over the body, making the host's consciousness dormant,
>or at least not visible to us.

It bothers me that moving the worm requires surgery.  You would think that
if the sybiosis evolved over eons, prior to the technologization of the
hosts' society, that the worm would just eat it's way in and out of the
hosts.  Or perhaps something funky would happen during host intercourse,
requiring the worm to move from male to female to male...

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		 although I have no right to say so, having
				 been a single cell so long ago myself that I 
				 have no memory at all of that stage of my 
				 life." - Lewis Thomas
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From: iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:05:53 GMT

In article <1ifr0hINNrah@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
>
>How about:
>
>A whole sixpack:
>
>	Decrepit spacestation survives all-out attack by three
>	or more Cardassian warships
>
>
>			R.S.
>(....or should that be Carassian?)
>	
>
>

 A shot for each time you see the same ship docking at the same port of
the space station.

A shot for each time the problem is resolved within the last 5 minutes
of the episode.

A shot for each time a crew member says that something is impossible to
do, and they actually do it.

A beer for each time Majel Barret appears on the show.

An entire fifth if they manage to get Spock or Kirk onto the station.

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From: Bemattison@vaxsar.vassar.edu (Ben Mattison)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Vassar College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:38:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.220123.11140@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>,
marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini) wrote:

> (the one where Picard gets zapped by the alien satelite and he learns to play
>  the flute, and live a different life on a dying planet, i don't know the
>  name)

Yes! a great episode. Can't remember the name...

 Also, "Who Watches the Watchers," with the classic Picard speech: "...send
them back to the dark ages of superstition, and ignorance, and fear? No!!" 


For a while after seeing that episode my friends and I called him "The
Picard."
We already considered him a God, after all...

Borg, of course, and Deja Q...
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:10:25 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <106498@bu.edu> cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:

   What about the race Whoopie's character Ginen (don't know how to spell it),
 she appears black to me.

						Jorge
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:44:27 GMT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

> This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
> All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
> shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
> Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
> that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
> evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
> variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
> that were fighting in ST:TOS.
> 
>      \    /\
>       \  /__\
> Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen  (white human, Earth)
> PP-ASEL

Everyone has already mentioned Klingons, but there was also Paul Winfield 
in "Darmok" and I believe some of the Tyrans in "Quality of Life" were 
also dark-skinned. In reality it is probably easier to apply make-up to 
fair skinned actors then to dark-skinned actors (then again, maybe not.)

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
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From: rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden)
Subject: Re: Picard's new rank?
Keywords: pips, joke, promotion
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:13:50 GMT

alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin) writes:

>>	I must apologize if this has already been hashed around the group,
>>	but did anyone else see Picard wearing five (5) pips on his collar

>(In an exasperated torture-worn voice...)

>THERE... ARE... ** FOUR *** ... PIPS!!!!

*falls off the chair and breaks something from laughing so hard*

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From: sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca (Scott Schelter u)
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:12:42 GMT

>YES!  The bandwidth is getting too much.  So separate DS9 from TNG.
>Continue to separate .misc from .current.  Finally, have a .reviews
>subsection.  So:
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.misc
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.current
>rec.arts.startrek.tng.reviews
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.misc
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.current
>rec.arts.startrek.ds9.reviews


I couldn't agree more. So what if it means the hassle of a new split.
When the old split was made, I don't think that anyone anticipated a new
series coming out. The only problem that I can see is where people can
post about TOS or the movies. I haven't been here long enough to suggest
a viable solution to that problem. Suggestions?


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Are TRILLs parasites or symbiotes?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:30:06 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan11.131925.1@gsbacd.uchicago.edu> cs_carol@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:

>I have a problem with the TRILL. It seems to me that when a TRILL
>inhabits a host's body, the TRILL personality takes over and the
>host personality is lost (or supressed). This seems to happen in
>the episode where Riker loans his body to Odan.

Of course, Riker is human.  The [Trill host] may have evolved
the capacity to join its mind with the Trill's rather than being
suppressed.

>Is the TRILL a *parasite*? and if so, what about the rights of the
>host? 

What about them?  The Trill (the worms, not the hosts) obviously
make the laws on their world.  Should the high-minded Federation
violate the Prime Directive, intervene, and save the Trill hosts?
That would be an act of genocide, as far as the Trill are concerned,
but what if the hosts, for some reason, couldn't survive without them?
What if they needed to be "infected" with a Trill to before they
could reproduce?

There are lots of questions here and lots of angles to explore,
but quite frankly, I don't think the writers will have the guts
to touch most of them.

By the way, a creature living in a symbiotic relationship is
is a symbiont, not a symbiote.  Parasitism is a type of symbiosis
that harms one symbiont.  Mutualism is a type of symbiosis that
benefits both symbionts.



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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:14:41 GMT

In article <1iep15INNdag@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.
>
>Minor spoiler ahead:
>


>
>Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
>I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
>should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.

(Star Trek adheres to physical laws...since when! -))

What physical law requires constant density?  I can go to a laboratory
and take two samples of water with equal mass at the same temperature
and pressure and they can have different volumes, as long as I am
on the liquid-vapour coexistence curve.  Have you ever heat of
latent heats of vapourization?

Science fiction routinely trashes physical reality as we understand it,
so I don't particularly see why one should even be particularly 
concerned about mass changes...hey, just supposed the mass-energy is
hidden in some compacted dimension.               

>I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
>duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
>be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
>against the wall).
>
>It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
>Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
>high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
>does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?
>

An inert physical state might just be some form of "hibernation"
state...use your imagination...so much is unphysical on our terms
already, what difference is one more violation of physical laws
as we currently understand them. 

Gerald
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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,misc.test,misc.jobs.offered,rec.music.country.western,talk.bizarre,rec.humor
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:31:58 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1993Jan6.225130.23374@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>
>THIS IS AN ORIGINAL DRINKING GAME I MADE UP FOR ST:DS9!!!
>
>FOLLOW-UP THIS POST WITH SOME OF YOUR OWN AND IT WILL BE PUBLISHED!!!
>
>
>One sip:
>
>        Cisco remembers his dead wife; half a beer if she's in a bikini.
>
>        there is an orb; two sips if it causes an orb experience;
>        whole beer if orb transports them in space;
>
>        there is a morph; 4 if it's better than something in T2.
>
>        a spacecraft makes a shishing sound.
>
>        O'Brian remembers the Enterprise.
>
>        space station integrety is threatened
>
>
>Half a beer:
>
>
>        anyone goes through the wormhole; whole beer if
>        they get caught in the wormhole.
>
>        whenever Cisco smirks at a officer trying to pick-up the chick
>        science officer who is really a slug in a girls body.
>
>        a ferengi hits on feminist first officer from hell.
>
>        someone goes into the holographic brothel.
>
>        enterprise appears.
>
>Whole beer:
>
>        someone has to explain to an alien lifeform what is "time"

New addition: Anytime Odo shapeshifts....
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From: siejko@rtc.atk.com (Kris Siejko)
Subject: Jadzia Dax
Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc., Mpls, MN
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:28:43 GMT


Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but the
name Jadzia Dax (the 300 year old trill )
very strongly reminds me of the Polish word
for "Grandpa", which (I think) is spelled Dzadzia.
This is pronounced "Ja-ja",  with the a pronounced as
the a in "bar".  

Can any polish speaking trekkers confirm this?

-Kris
From: chey@novell.com (Cindy Hey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 - in San Jose (bay area) - THANKS, I GOT THE INFO !!!
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:23:19 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1993Jan4.205655.970@novell.com> chey@novell.com (Cindy Hey) writes:
>Could someone please e-mail me when DS9 will be on here in San Jose and
>on what channel?  I haven't had much luck finding out.  Thanks.

Thanks to everyone who responded so promptly !!!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:04:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bzxt23.L31@world.std.com>, tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:
> Spoilers ahead - Summary: A+

> Gotta mention, sheesh, Picard has a truckload of life-altering experiences!
> Captured by The Borg, then he lived a complete life in half an hour in Inner
> Light, now this.

When will Jean-Luc figure out that SOMEBODY is trying to keep him from cashing
in on his STARFLEET pension? ;-)

> Any one of them would change someone's whole life. Wouldn't all that mess up
> his mind something awful? He should probably go back to France and have his
> brother beat him up again so that he feels OK. }:)

I think his brother has a huge life insurance policy out on Jean Luc.
Afterall, Jean Luc IS a redshirt!  It would be money in the bank! ;-)

Terry "Waiting for Deep Space 011(8)" Wood
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From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: Re: G-class ships at 359
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:29:35 GMT

I don't think it was a Galaxy-class; rather it had the lines of an
Ambassador-class ship (same class as the Enterprise-C).  The secondary
hull was rounder and the struts that hold the warp nacelles were sharper
and longer.

--jsv--
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Quote Me on this if you Like ...
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:08:43 EST

In article <1993Jan8.201645.46244@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
 
>
>	I don't know what I have to gain by saying this, but I predict that
>*Star Trek: Deep Space Nine* is going to be somewhat of a failure and not
>last too long ... maybe two seasions at the most.
>	The major reasons being, right now, that the plot devices aren't
>adequate; mainly because the actual station doesn't go places ... and if
>characters leave aboard a shuttle, then that will be too inconsistent with
>the original intent.  Plus, cost of production is too great.  It will have
>some interesting things, of course, but those will mostly be appreciated by
>real Star Trek fans ...
> 	Perhaps when I'm right, I'll get some small satisfaction out of
>making this prediction.  If I'm wrong, no one will remember anyway.
>
>
   Because the station doesn't move...?  How can you say that with the number
of shipboard shows TNG has done?  [Agreed, the number of shipboard shows
has hindered TNG, but TNG is a hit anyway.]
 
    Junsok  Yang
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From: dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray)
Subject: Re: Chief O'Brien
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:11:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.203255.21480@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>Another point for enlisted personel on the Enterprise...
>
>Chief O'Brien...Doesn't this indicate rank (Chief Petty Officer)
>or is he just chief transporter officer?

Along those lines, I noticed during DS9 that O'Brien had a single open
pip on his collar.  Has that always been the case?  Perhaps it indicates
he's a warrant officer then?  (sorta halfway between a non-commissioned
officer and a commissioned officer)  Anyone?  Anyone?

-Doug
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: the linear time thing - (spoiler?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 15:49:32 EST

In article <1993Jan7.181650.27424@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
 
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>if the creatures experienced all time simultaneously, then they already had
>squirted the commander out as far as they could tell. why did they give him
>such hell about his kind and intentions when they already experienced the
>whole thing. many other paradoxes boggle.
>
   They seemed to have at least one concept of time... Before Sisko met
them and after.  (I don't really want to list all the logical inconsistencies
I catched; I'm sure other people here will do it better than I can.)
   The linear time idea as presented in DS9 was not very logical at all;
it only works as an exposition of Sisko's character; OR the aliens turn
out to be benevolent psychoanalysts... :)
   Major flaw on DS9's part, but IMO not enough to destroy my interest.
 
   Junsok Yang