HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: indoor/outdoor, another p
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:15:11 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan11.2246.5244@dosgate> barry.schiele@canrem.com (barry schiele) writes:

>Not to mention the exposure of the cat to untold dangers like FIP,
>feline leukemia, fleas which case tapeworm, killing of wildlife taht is
>there nature and also cause intestinal parisites, cars, other more
>street wise cats and worse other so called people that you mention taht
>kill main or poison cats for no reason. No one does there cat afavour by
>letting it roam outdoors. INDOOR CATS LIVE LONGER.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

This is a relative thing, Barry, it depends where you live and what your 
cat's like.  Tell you what - YOU stay indoors for the rest of your life, we'
ll drop by when you're 80 and ask if it really was better than going out now 
and again, OK?  

        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Litterbox tip
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:28:10 GMT

ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz) writes:

>In article <shari.726171176@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard) writes:

>   I thought of something like this myself although I've never done it, but
>   instead of having a second litter box with the screen and dumping the used
>   litter into it, why not just leave the screen in the litter pan?  The
>   cat(s) shouldn't mind it if the litter is deep enough.  Then each evening,
>   just lift up the screen with all the clumps, and dump them.

>....and then how do you get the screen back under the litter?

>A second litter pan is easier, though I suppose a paper bag would work
>fine as a temporary container.
>				AMBAR

Hmmm,  Good point (you too, Eric).  Oh, well, back to the drawing
board... :-)

Shari
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman)
Subject: Re: I need help.  My kittens like to run through my vertical blinds.
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 02:41:27 GMT

>Ruth Milner writes:
>The house we recently moved to has Venetian blinds (narrow horizontal strips).
>Boots has figured out that she can see better if she puts her paw up and pulls
>down a few of the ones right in front of her face. She does it *exactly* like 
>a human being would with their finger. It looks really funny: glance at
>window, pull strips down, stare outside several seconds, let them go again.

Ahhh if only I can turn my vertical blinds into venetian blinds then all
my kitten problems will be solved. (not!) :-)

Rob


------
Rob Dorfman   (muaddib@d31mf0.stanford.edu or muaddib@star2.cm.utexas.edu)
               ----------------------------   ---------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Timing
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:54:53 GMT

> Siamese cats are not commonly available in shelters.

We have them available for adoption here at Alameda Animal Shelter.
On the east coast I've seen them at the Rockland County SPCA.  You
don't need to bring more into the world to get one.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Human Nail Clippers
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:46:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

In article <1993Jan11.133704.4826@wkuvx1.bitnet>, shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet
(Mike Shroyer ) wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 	I lost my copy of the FAQ so shoot me if this is in there. 
> Can you use regular human clippers to trim a cats nails?  I friend of
> mine said his mom used to use them when he was a kid and it didn't
> seem to bother them.

Absolutely!  I bought a pair of .39 clippers at the drugstore and they work
beautifully.
From: robear@access.digex.com (Robear)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: is it too cold?
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Date: 10 Jan 1993 00:46:36 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1ifmunINNqch@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> amys@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Amy Schlotthauer) writes:
>SO, don't you all agree that it is cruel and unusual punishment for my
>cats to have to spend the night in 63 degrees? 

Heck, our apartment is only at 65 F on the thermostat, which means that
the warmest spot is about 65.  The rest is below that.  Not only do the
kitties survive - even sitting in drafty windows at night - but we do,
too.

Even people, without fur, would have no trouble at a constant 63 F.  An
igloo can get up to 45 F or higher in subzero weather, and you would sleep in
it with no problem in light clothes (like your cats' fur).  So they are not
in any discomfort in the basement.

Whether they *like* it or not is another issue :-).

		David Pipes
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Wilde Dame)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat IQ test
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:41:48 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

:) Both Clio and Hemingway attack their own and each other's tails. 
Hemingway doesn't seem overly bothered by it; when he was very young, he
would get really enthusiastic about the biting, and when he realized it
was his own tail, would start licking as though he had meant to do that
all along... he will tolerate Clio battering his tail for literally a half
an hour at a time.  What's really funny is when she convinces him she's
having so much fun that he gives it a try.... 
-- 
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Excessive water drinking - and possible constipation
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:25:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.223028.5070@serval.net.wsu.edu> jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000) writes:
>In article <H.eg.qDY3X_aZnjA@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca writes:
>>My cat seems to be drinking an awful lot of water lately, and going to the
>>litterbox a lot more often.  Sometimes it seems he is not doing anything in
>>there.  He goes in, waits ten seconds or so, and then leaves.
>>Is this an indicator that something is seriously wrong or is he just not
>>feeling well?
>>
>
>If your cat is drinking more and *not* producing more urine, chances are
>good it will explode.  Seriously, increased water in with no increase out
>are incompatible with life.  If it goes on for more than a day or so, the
>cat will appear obviously sick.
>
>I suspect your cat is urinating in the box.  A checkup by your vet would
>be well advised.
  
  Don't want to be unnecessarily alarmist, but anytime you see
  these symptoms, especially with male cats, be sure that he 
  is indeed urinating.  If he isn't, get him to a vet immediately.

  I'm away from my cat books, but let me try it from the memory
  of a cat's bout with cystitis.  Cystitis can lead to blockage
  of the urinary tract.  The symptoms are similar to what you
  describe:  cat unable to urinate, bladder may be hard and full,
  cat may be drinking inordinately.  Don't assume it's urinating
  in the box if you haven't actually checked.  
  
  Cystitis can kill a cat within hours.

  Wayne
From: curt@vtucs.cc.vt.edu (Curt Tilmes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Cat likes dipping things in water
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

My friend has a cat (male, neutered, white 'Oliver') that just loves
water.  He will put his paws in it, then walk all over you.  He takes
all his toys, and bits of yarn, or anything, takes them to the
kitchen, soaks them in the water dish, then drags them all over the
house.  At first this behavior was cute, but it is getting annoying.

Does anyone else have a cat that acts like this?  What do you 
suggest we try?

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: reid@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Robert Reid)
Subject: Re: I need help. My kittens like to run through my vertical blinds.
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:12:31 GMT

rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.024811.18538@netcom.com> amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.221233.13443@leland.Stanford.EDU> muaddib@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rob Dorfman) writes:
>>
>>>[stuff about cats running through vertical blinds]

>The house we recently moved to has Venetian blinds (narrow horizontal strips).
>Boots has figured out that she can see better if she puts her paw up and pulls
>down a few of the ones right in front of her face. She does it *exactly* like 
>a human being would with their finger. It looks really funny: glance at
>window, pull strips down, stare outside several seconds, let them go again.

Mine has decided that it is easier to just walk through the Venetian blinds
so she can sit on the window sill. She tried the pull-the-blinds-down-look-outside
method for a couple of days before she decided that she could just apply
her whole body's weight to make a big enough opening for climbing. Happily, 
I have plastic blinds which bounce back into the proper shape.

	Robert and Marilyn (not named after Monroe but Fleischman's secratary)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: Cat static!
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:43:45 GMT

Wilde Dame (sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu) wrote:
> really bad, and that's the only time I do it.  You might feel silly
> chasing your cat around with a sheet of Bounce (Hemingway thinks I'm
> subjecting him to some weird torture by doing this), but she'll be
> happier, I guarantee it. :)

Please note that cats *do* wash themselves, and there *are* some 
fabric softener sheets out there that would harm the little loveys if
some of the nasty stuff got into their innards.  Might want to consult
a vet about the active/inactive ingredients.

I had an awful problem with static in my cats, (and plants!  I kept
on shocking myself with the rubber tree..) but a humidifier took 
care of the problem (AND my dry skin!).

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn.
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: catflap troubles
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


In article <7112@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, morphet@cguhpa.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Helen
Morphet) writes:

>I have a big problem with our catflap, and if it's not resolved soon I
>shall have to block it up.
>
>My two cats, Etragon and Pootle, keep letting a large ginger tomcat come
>into our house through the catflap. This would not be a problem, except
>that it keeps spraying all over the place. I even found it in my bedroom
>once - it had sprayed over my bed.
>
>How do I prevent this without having to keep my cats inside all the time?
>I have heard about some 'selective' catflaps which only allow certain cats
>in, but how do they work, where could I get one from, and how much are
>they?

  I originally tried to mail this but it got bounced with 

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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   Anyway...
	
     Staywell (and others) do catflaps that are activated by tags
worn on the cat's collars.  These may be worth a look, although if
your cats are good at getting rid of their collars that would be a
bit of a problem!  They should be available from most pet shops but
it'll depend on how much of a range they have in the shop.

	I've heard someone solve your sort of problem by capturing 
the intruder in the house and making him know he's unwelcome by loud
noises and a certain amount of water, although the latter's probably
better left 'till summer!

Gwyn
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+======================================================================+
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| DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd |
|  Views expressed and statements made are mine and not those of DEC   |
+======================================================================+
From: barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:33:10 GMT
Subject: Re: klepto cat ... any suggestions?
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats

Mine has been taking my socks out of the closet and distributing them
throughout the house.  I had 5 pairs out upon my return from a recent 
vacation.
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: finicky cats
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1993Jan7.205054.21996@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:

>QUESTION: Is it true that if a cat cannot get the food it
>insists on, that it will starve to death?

No.  There is absolutely no recorded instance of an emaciated cat
skeleton next to a bowl full of food.  Mordant humor aside, a cat that
gets hungry enough, if it does not otherwise have some medical
problem, will eventually eat anything edible.

--Cindy
--
   Cindy Tittle Moore & Noisy Underfoot (bird watcher extraordinaire)

I post the rec.pets.cats FAQ (in three parts) every 25 days.  To get the FAQ:
ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu and look under /pub/usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/*
(part1, part2, part3), or send email to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part1
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part2
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part3
in the body (leave subject line empty).  Send contributions and comments
to me; send questions not covered in the FAQ to the newsgroup.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: minikiti
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:14:25 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Patrick Ray Harrison (prh2s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: Is there a breed of cats noted for small size?  If such a breed
: does exist, is it more susceptible than other varieties to any
: diseases or physical problems?

Someone had an ad in Cats a few months ago which was for a breed in
development.  Among the established breeds, the Singapura is generally the
smallest.  The biggest problem with these seems to be an extremely limited
gene pool.  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Goodbye
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:49:49 GMT

"Kitty": (1?/2?)1977 - 1-2-93.
You're missed.

Rick

   

********************************************************************************                  There's a bit of magic in everything
                  and then some loss to even things out

                                                        Lou Reed
                                                     Magic and Loss ==|==
********************************************************************************
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Wilde Dame)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat freezing its little buns off in a 63F basement?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:35:49 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

I've been watching this thread, and watching my cats, and have discovered
little to advance the sciences... Clio prefers to sleep in the laundry
hamper *right next to* the radiator in the bathroom (which is warmer than
I would want to sleep in), while Hemingway sleeps in the bathtub, which is
quite cool (this is during the day).  At night, however, Clio prefers to
sleep outside the covers, while Hemingway sleeps under them, and gripes if
I get up and goes into what the previous poster referred to as "cold cat"
position.  Weirdos. ;)

-- 
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk (Sheila Thomas)
Subject: Re: Cat survives washer! 
Distribution: world
Organization: moderate-to-good
Reply-To: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:57:20 +0000

Yes ... it was in most of the papers over here. 
People have all been telling me about it.
I gather it was a 40 degree C low temperature
wash cycle, fortunately.
My beloved Josephine sat entranced the first time I
used my first washing machine, but after that she clearly
thought she had dealt with that and it wasn't that much
fun. I had to agree with her :-)

-- 

__________________________________________
Malwen                             

..even snails get there in the end.
___________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: littermates vs. non-littermates
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:15:19 GMT

In article <11JAN199308185571@watson.bms.com> whitman@watson.bms.com (Debra Whitman) writes:
>I can only tell you about littermates.  
>I love my two boys, but if you aren't ready for a lot of running around maybe 
>females would be better.  

We have two spayed female non-littermates who are both about 1.5 years old.
Since they were introduced as kittens, they have slept together, washed each
other, played together, chased each other around the house like wild fiends,
etc. etc. So don't count on the sex making a difference to the activity levels.
We like it this way anyway :-).

If they are very young when you bring them together, I don't think it matters
whether they were littermates or not. Kittens tend to be very social unless
they've been given a reason not to be (i.e. abused before you got them).
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jo@irvine.com (jo (still))
Subject: xneko and oneko
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:51:37 GMT
Distribution: usa

I've received responses with the desired information.  Thanks to all!

jo
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vleppert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Leppert)
Subject: Re: Cats and whistling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:45:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.190924.31415@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA) writes:
>In article <93004.172612SAS15@psuvm.psu.edu>, SAS15@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>I happen to have a rather shrill whistle.  One day I was whistling along
>>merrily when my cat Marti (female tabby) came up and started sniffing my
>>face.  I thought, "Oh, isn't that cute!  She wonders where the sound is
>>coming from." Then, to my surprise, she bit my nose!
Any similar experiences?  Thanks for you help!
>>
>>Susan Stoner
>
The same thing happened to me.  A few weeks ago I was sitting on the couch and
>I started whistling.  Merlin came *running* up to me, jumped on my lap and put
>his face right into mine.  It really threw me because Pookie never responds
>when I whistle.  But Merlin seemed totally amazed.  I've tried it since and I
>always get the same reaction; he gets as close to my face as he can and stares
>at my mouth.  It's strange but that's why we love them.
>
>Michelle
>and Pookie and Merlin

After following this thread, I decided to check my cats' reaction to
whistling.  All three cats were in the living room napping when I (sitting on
the couch) started whistling.  All three of them came running.  Adam kept
poking his nose in my face, meowing and jumping back and forth across my lap. 
Pippen paced back and forth on the couch back, behind my head, meowing. 
Pacino sat next to me on the couch, watching my face.  I would describe their
behavior as excited.  I've never seen them display such a long attention span
before.

Valerie

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Cats and whistling
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:30:00 GMT

In article <93004.172612SAS15@psuvm.psu.edu> <SAS15@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I happen to have a rather shrill whistle.  One day I was whistling along
>merrily when my cat Marti (female tabby) came up and started sniffing my
>face.  I thought, "Oh, isn't that cute!  She wonders where the sound is
>coming from." Then, to my surprise, she bit my nose!

Abigail has always hated whistling.  She will come up and bite me on
the chin or nose to get me to stop.  Zarabeth does the same thing.
Matter of fact, the best way to get them to come to me (say, for
instance, when I've gone to bed and want a cat to cuddle with), is to
whistle something.  (I whistle to the theme of Star Trek:The Next
Generation every night after I watch it, just to keep them on their
toes. :-).

The interesting thing is that I have whistled for Zarabeth's mom and
brother (who belong to a friend), and they have no objection to it.
Therefore, I assume that she adopted the behavior from Abigail, with
whom she's lived since she was 7 weeks old.  AND, she objects to it
just as violently as Abigail does.

I once tried to learn how to play the harmonica, when Abigail was
around a year old.  If she was in the room, she would come up and bite
me.  If I closed the door, she would stand up and beat on the door
until I stopped playing.  So I finally gave in and stopped playing it.

I'm nothing if not well-trained ... :-)

--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dvinette@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Diane Vinette)
Subject: Re: cat IQ test
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:03:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.201509.19094@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>
>My two male cats both chase and chew on their tails (not enough
>to hurt, they just like to play with them).  Its really gross
>when they chew on their tails until they are all slobbery and
>then come sit on your lap and their slimy tails touch you!  Yuck!
>
>
>Jamie


My siamese cat used to do the same thing!  It was a yukky slimy mess.  She
used to do this when she was sitting on my lap and she would purr loudly
at the same time.  I have no idea why she did this.

P.S.  - You own 3 siamese cats???  It must get noisy at your place
sometimes.  Mine used to love to 'talk' at lot.

All the best - Diane