From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Family values defined
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:08:58 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <69466@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.155435.11242@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:
>|And to what extent must I conform so that we may have a free society?
>|I drive on the right-hand side of the road. I don't play drums at
>|2AM. I pay my taxes and make sure my cats get their rabies shots.
>|Should I also have to, say, profess belief in God in order to keep my
>|job? Would that be your idea of a free society? Admit it, Pitts. You
>
>I do want everyone to know the Love, Power, and Freedom of Jesus
>the Christ, God incarnate.  I do wish everyone would follow the
>Lord.

But do you have the right to force people to? 

Hint-Do I have the right to force you to give up your believe in
     a mythical god? 

>|Does this mean that you do, in fact, intend to mold others' lives to
>|suit your liking? This would, after all, be quite consistent with and
>|consequential to your aversion to "live and let live". 
>
>I will help mold those I can.  I will not force them.

But you already said you would force them. You force me to pay higher
taxs than you because I don't fit your mold.

>|Do you believe that each and every one of your opinions is purely of
>|divine origin? Assuming you don't want to go on record as claiming
>|infallibility, how do you distinguish divine wisdom from
>|Pitts-stained wisdom? Is your method of discernment infallible? 
>
>I keep going back to God - I submit to Him and not to my own ideas.
>If I better learn what God wants, I'll quickly change.  That is my
>commitment to Him.  I am not infallible.

What if it turned out that upon investigation you couldn't find suffcient
justification in the bible for your belief that homosexuality is wrong?
What if Pauls words where mistranslated? What if Christians didn't take
Leviticus to apply to them?

>|Don't ask ridiculous questions. Show me some figures on this alleged
>|intolerance ratio. Who's telling conservative christians they can't
>|or shouldn't run their lives and their families as they see fit?
>
>The point was that you seem pretty intolerant of my ideas, but yet
>you claim to be tolerant, correct?  In comparison, I don't fall as
>far outside the norm of my ilk.

Disagreeing is one thing intolerance is something else. When your house
gets burned down, you get fired, and your wife gets murdered because
your Christian thats intolerance...

>No one.   It is not unusual for restrictions to be placed on the
>distribution of religious literature at parks and airports - they
>are overturning some of this in the Supreme Court.

And they should, I strongly support the right of free speech even
when exercised by Christians :-)

Note-There is a difference between free speech and harrasment, following
     someone for blocks and yelling at them is not free speech.
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