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From: RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET (Richard W Wiggins)
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Subject: Re: CWIS SOFTWARE
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:38:26 GMT
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              15 Oct 1992 12:39:23 BST from <ec2mpe@SUNC.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>

>I'm a postgrad student at Sheffield University looking into all aspects of CWIS
>software for the British Universities market. Can any one give me any leads on
>companies that provide CWIS software or on Universities that sell their CWIS
>software. I would like to know as much information about these companies
>(names, addresses etc.) and if possible a TELNET site address so I can look at
>the systems.
>
>YOUR M.England.
>
>e-mail: ec2mpe@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk


The best thing to do would be to review discussions on this mailing
list, and check out other lists such as comp.infosystems.gopher and
VTX-L.  To review this (or any other Listserv list) just send mail
to Listserv with the single word "help" as the body.   It'll tell
you how to fetch old log files.

The CWIS of choice at many sites is Gopher, from U Minnesota.  It's
public domain.  There's a worldwide community contributing
improvements to it.  There are several Gophers that run public
Telnet-able clients; try consultant.micro.umn.edu, or if you'd
like gopher.msu.edu.  (Log in as 'gopher', no PW required.)
Cruise around Gopherdom to see what folks have set up.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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From:         Far out in West Michigan <YA57@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Output of your job "YA57"

Hello All,

This may be a mundane query to you, but as a novice
to digging into network resources, it's a bit of a
puzzle.  I'm new to this particular list, but it
seems to be the place to get the answer.

Generally:  How would I go about finding where (and
how) I could get articles about current events, either
by FTP, or other method (I'm adrift on Bitnet).

Specifically:  My wife needs some resource/background
material on the new US/Mexico/Canada free trade
agreement.  Could someone point me in the right
direction, please?

Thanks very much.

        --Bruce.

  Bruce Werner                BITNET:  YA57@FERRIS
  Big Rapids, Michigan  (We're BIG, we're just not GRAND)
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From:         TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU
Subject:      Re: DEC VTX V5.1
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>
>My Supervisor has been assigned the task of establishing a CWIS on our campus.
>She has received information on DEC's VTX. Could you please comment on this
>product if you know anything about it (i.e. advantages, disadvantages, etc.).
>
>Kathy Fernandes
>KFERNANDES@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
>Computer Consultant

Kathy,

  You'll probably get inundated info but you might like to try the
  VTX listserv group and see what they have to say.  To subscribe

  Send email:

	To:	IN::"LISTSERV@NCSUVM.BITNET"
	Subj:	SUBSCRIPTION VTX-L

  Include as your only line.

	SUBSCRIBE VTX-L  your name


  I'm the analyst of our CWIS and we've been using a combination of
  software including VTX.  VTX has all the parts and pieces to build
  a great system such as VAX, RUSL & ELK but learning them all is quite
  a challenge.  Since we already had a nuceleus of CWIS we decided to
  use VTX in a different way.  We often spawn sub-processes out of a Cobol
  application to pickup a page in VTX or a menu.  This increases the
  versitility of our online jobs both in and out of a CWIS environment.

  Try the info systems in North Carolina or New Hampshire for a view
  a purer VTX system.

--regards Terry
*=====================================================================*
* T.J.Loftus   Systems/Analyst PimaInfo*     tloftus@pimacc.pima.edu  *
*PimaCountyCommunityCollege  Tucson, Az*     vtxmgr@pimacc.pima.edu   *
*Home on the range,land of the strange.*                              *
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From:         "Stephen J. Cavrak, Jr." <SJC@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:24 CDT Landy Manderson said:
>Ya know, there must be a bad alignment of the planets or something, because
>I've seen more flames wars this week than in all the time I've been subscrib-
>ing to lists...
>


Once, when I was a teenager, way before there were hackers, I read
a nice science fiction story that introduced me to the concept of
a "silly season."  It used to take place in August -- flying
saucers would land, space aliens would snatch people out for an
afternoon walk, memories would fade, and dogs would foam at the
mouth.  Then, about October, people would wonder whether it really
happend, and sure enough, they would go to the library and pull out
the papers and there it would all be, totally documented, totally
undeniable.

Maybe because of global warming, the hole in the ozone, electro-
magnetic radiation from orbiting satellites, the season got longer
and later.

If it seems especially worse this year, it's because it's occuring
during that quadrennial celebration call the Presidential Campaign.

Not to worry, the geese are in the flyways, the snow is in the air,
and it will all be over in 4 weeks.

Stay cool!

Steve
From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke)
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Subject: Re: CWIS SOFTWARE
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:33:14 GMT
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Originator: s3535@mail

ec2mpe@SUNC.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (M England) writes:
>I'm a postgrad student at Sheffield University looking into all aspects of CWIS
>software for the British Universities market. Can any one give me any leads on
>companies that provide CWIS software or on Universities that sell their CWIS
>software. I would like to know as much information about these companies
>(names, addresses etc.) and if possible a TELNET site address so I can look at
>the systems.

Well first of all I would not recommend you buying any software at all!
There are plenty of free types of CWIS software around; but the best
and most exciting has got to be Gopher. Telnet to gopher.uiuc.edu. and
login as gopher. If you've got a Mac or Unix box on an ethernet at a
internet (JIPS) site then you're going to have lots of fun! There are a
few gopher servers in the UK; you'll find them if you nose around.

The only University in the UK that has CWIS software that I know of is
Bristol University; they give away the Bristol Information Software
(bis) to any University that wants it (I think). If you look up a list
of Janet addresses and call bristol.info (or similar) you should get
there. It's (mistakenly in my view) been adopted for the soon to be
announced Janet.News service. Frankly, I thought it was excellent when
I first looked at it; but really now I think gopher beats it hands
down. Sorry Bristol!
-- 
Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk
* * * * * * * * Fax: +44 274 305340 * Voice: +44 274 383180 * * * * * * * *
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:36:03 EDT
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From:         "Dr. John C. Biddle" <JCBIDD01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

Associate Professor Information Science & Data Processing
PHONE: (502) 588 - 6121
FYI ya'll!!!

Samford University, Birmingham, Alabama, 35229.  PRIVATE

Affiliated with Southern Baptist     1992 enrollment 4164.

May be that explains it.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:29:58 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Outputs

 *** Reply to note of 10/08/92 09:09
 Jim MacD: I am putting together an assortment of stuff of our public relations
 efforts with regents and the legislature and I will send it to you if you will
 send me your snail mail address. WRT Outputs: might still work for your
 institution. It's just that one of the goals will be to move up the scale to
 research II or whatever target you have. But then you have to show the
 community that your reaching research II is good for them as well as for the
 faculty and students (and it is). But you need to show them how you are going
 to get there without neglecting their children. It's a bummer. Community
 leaders know that a research university is a real asset to the community, a
 necessity if certain kinds of economic development are going to take place.
 But the same community leaders as parents beat us up for not teaching five
 courses a semester.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:23:25 CDT
From:         "(ellis)" <nse2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Textra

Doyle, I'll agree with you about Texta for the money.  When some of us
around here first started taking comp classes to computer labs, we were
working with non-networked labs and students had to have their own
programs. We required Texta.  Although we now have our own lab and it's
networked with WordPerfect, a few people still hang on to Textra.

It's intesting to hear a bit of discusion about Texta and loading files.
My dept. head called me just last week to figure out how he can upload things.
I always make sure I can give him direct instructions (without having
to experiment, and confuse him), so I went to his pc and played a bit.

That's the first time I've encountered "hard" and
"soft" ASCII.  Didn't know the difference!   It turned out that
I never could get into the network anyway, so I still haven't
showed the boss "how to "   Any advice?

Nancy Ellis
nse2@ra.mstate.edu
Mississippi State Univ
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From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mandatory portables

 *** Reply to note of 10/08/92 08:33
 Many students at Glendale CC and a few lucky ones at ASU can already do the
 type of stuff that Jim S. mentioned, using the conferencing program that Karen
 and her programming buddy (the amazing ZAGAR!) have developed. It works, and
 it really changes the nature of classroom activity.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
From: LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
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Subject: Re: Writer's Workbench?
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:16:20 GMT
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Joy Reid is jried@uwyo.bitnet  and Steve Reid is sreid@csugreen
Liz
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:36:12 EDT
From:         Jim Fletcher <ENGJTF@NCSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TO TEACHERS OF COMPUTER-ASSISTED WRITING CLASSES

Jim S.,
     The division that you mention is exactly the type of problem
that I hope to uncover as such classrooms evolve.  Right now, I
simply want as much information as possible about how and why
computer classrooms began and how they have changed.
     Would that I were plagued with such problems as yours.  Our
single computer classroom has been dual floppy (360K, no hard
drive), stand-alone Tandys until this summer when we finally
received hard drives.  Until this semester we used Myron Tuman's
marvelous word processor "Norton Textra Writer."  Now most of our
teachers use Word Perfect 5.1; I still use Textra.
     It's all we can do to keep the one computer classroom open.
Only ten sections of our 130 or so Freshman Comp classes are
taught with computer assistance; since these sections have fewer
students, that means that less than 6% of our entering freshmen
are lucky enough to be enrolled in a computer section.
     Becoming networked is at least a year away--its crazy.  I
have been following the "mandatory laptop" discussion with great
interest.  I had never considered that alternative, but with the
price of books skyrocketing, and computer prices falling, it does
not seem TOO burdensome to consider such a possibility in the future.
     Anyway, back to your note.  As I said I am interested in
gathering all the material that I can.  Perhaps you could offer a
printout of my survey to your other computer teachers, be they
networkers or simply word-processors.  I relish differing view-
points.
     If you do go that route, my address is:

          Jim Fletcher
          North Carolina State University
          Department of English
          Box 8105
          Raleigh, NC  27695-8105

          (919) 515-3357

     I certainly appreciate your assistance.  Thanks.
Jim Fletcher.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:55:34 CDT
From:         "(Irv Peckham)" <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reply to Re: Community of Teachers?
              92 11:01 pm

> Margaret:
You said the question to ask might be
> when will the novelty wear off?  When and how will we shift into a new set of
> patterns?
David said that writing/talking with computers is like a cocktail at
a social.

Maybe when we have institutionalized computers as we have institutionalized
speaking and writing, then it will wear off.  I am sure that given the
will, we shall find ways to formalize composing on computers.  Some of the
computer/community of writers convesation makes me think we and our
students are like kids playing with a new toy (that was not meant as a
demeaning comment).
  But rather than wonder about why students feel free when they write
with computers, I am wondering why they don't feel free in the non-computer
classroom; maybe wondering what we can to do make writing and talking
the same kind of exchange that people are eulogizing on this topic.
For instance, Karen Schwalm (I think) wrote about the easy atmosphere
of the computer lab where kids felt free to go in and you, work on
their texts, etc.  Should this be impossible in a writing class?  I
am suggesting, I guess, that the problem may not be with the medium;
it may be us.
Irvec

--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:32:06 --500
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Community of Teachers?

 *** Reply to note of 10/08/92 09:32
 Doyle Burke makes a good point. Faculty who venture into teaching with
 computers are doing something that many faculty don't like to do: venturing
 into new and strange terrritory, shakey ground--in the presence of students.
 And when we do that, we want our study groups too.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
 ___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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From: JRAYMOND@ENGLISH.AS.UA.EDU (Jim Raymond)
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Subject: Re: ERIC access
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:14:22 GMT
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    One convenient and inexpensive (but not free) way to access ERIC
is through a service called Knowledge Index, which is a part of
Dialog Information Services.  The KI data base in Palo Alto includes
not only ERIC, but MLA and a host of other computerized bibliographies
as well (e.g., history, physics, chemistry, movie reviews,
psychology, religion, computer mags, newspapers, etc., etc.).  The
service, which research libraries use during the day, is available to
private subscribers between sunset and sunrise, when there is less
traffic on the wires.

    It's dirt cheap, particularly if you write programs in advance for
your login and search procedures.  A typical ERIC or MLA search
costs me less than $2.00 and takes less than two minutes of connect
time.  I have the bibliography printed directly to a disk, and call
it up later in a word processing program.

    For more information, call 1-800-334-2564.--Jim Raymond
  Director of Freshman Composition
  English Department
  University of Alabama
  (205) 348-6488
  JRaymond@English.as.ua.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:20:12 EDT
From:         Ann Green <USERTFSH@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Class size

At Jackson (Michigan) Community College, developmental writing courses
are limited to 20 and the attached labs to 16.  First year comp is 25,
except in computer classrooms where it is 22.  Ann/JCC
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From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Mandatory Portables for School LANS (14)

Re laptops as plug-ins to computer classrooms

Robert Royar's point re Macs is well taken.  MS-DOS laptops with 3.5" floppy
drives can be purchased for a few hundred dollars--less 2nd hand.  At
Kapiolani CC our first computer classroom was setup with Macs.  However,
students who own computers have IBM/compatibles, seldom Macs.  We're
insisting on an MS-DOS setup for our next lab, which is already in the works.
Cost for students has to be a major consideration--even if we don't move
toward student-supplied laptops in computer classrooms.

Jim S.
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Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Making Vax Edit easier (13)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:11:51 GMT
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        As a habitual lurker on MBU, I'd like to contribute to a couple of
discussions, but I'm not long on time.  I'm amused by Liz Hamp-Lyons' interest
in making the Vax editor easier to use, because that's an issue we've been
grappling with here (some 30 freshmen have suddenly been immersed in the Vax
mailer).  I've come up with what I hope is a near-painless solution to the
problem:  send the suffering individual a new login.com file.  I was
particularly interested in Robert Royar's response to Liz, because not only did
it teach me a great deal about the VAX, but it also showed an interesting
discourse: neophyte meets techno-knowledgeable-person, a discourse which many
of us have been forced to hop around for much of our computerate lives.  What
are the protocols for this discourse?  Does it create a class boundary a la
literacy?  How can we best "teach computers" without swamping people who want
to learn, and without pushing aside the goal of "teaching writing"?

        I'm also interested in the "learning community" dialogue, as well as
the "class size" discussion.  The first sticks out at me because Vassar is just
starting to use computers in the teaching of writing (we are blessed this year
with the presence of Michael Joyce - hi Michael). Paul Kane, a fellow member of
the VC English department with whom Michael and I work closely, spontaneously
came up with the idea that computers make teaching more personal.  He was
quite surprised to find someone saying almost exactly the same thing on MBU!

        Re: class size, I think we're capped at 19 for all writing courses,
freshman included.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:59:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Repost of contact address for "Creative Hearts"
              group (21)

Date:         Wed, 07 Oct 1992 05:44:52 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id:   <1992Oct07.054452.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:      Repost of contact address for "Creative Hearts" group (21)
Reply-to:     IN%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU"  C&CD
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

About September 25th the Computers and Composition Digest included some
lengthy postings from the "Creative Hearts" publishing group.  Also at that
time, our mailer delay problems began.  For anyone who has asked for
information on subscriptions to Connor Cochran's <0005133312@mcimail.com>
newsletter, here it is.

You may contact
  Gardner Campbell <Campbell@usdcsv.acusd.edu> (The original forwarder)
or
  Connor Cochran <0005133312@mcimail.com> (The newsletter publisher)
for additional information on this newsletter.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Do not search for the truth. Simply cease to cherish opinion"
                                           - Sengstan, Third Zen Patriarch

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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:57:11 -0700
From:         Karen Schwalm <SCHWALM@GC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reply to Re: Community of Teachers?

In fact, we think we're finding just that. . .that classroom interactions
are being influenced by what happens in CMC.  Faculty report that students
seem to become friendlier faster (especially important in larger classes)
with CMC, and they bring that sense of community with them back into the
class.  One biology teacher notes that her first lab sessions have changed
dramatically because students have already established connections with
others in the class (even when they write under pen names and don't know
exactly WHO it is they are talking to).  I don't even know how to study
this, but I have just finished 10 hours of taped interviews with teachers,
and the change in the classroom environment is a key theme.

What is so highly ironic to me is that one of my initial objectives--to get
more writing into classes--has been buried under a whole host of other
outcomes.  I find myself neglecting to even mention the tremendous volume
of writing students are doing, and I find myself saying, "Oh yes, I forgot
to mention that!" when others point it out.  In this project, the writing
students do is truly a means to several other ends.  Oh happy state!

--Karen T. Schwalm              Department of English
--Glendale Community College    Maricopa Community College District
--6000 West Olive Avenue        Voice: (602) 435-3651  Bitnet: schwalm@gc
--Glendale, Arizona  85302      Internet: schwalm@gc.maricopa.edu
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