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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: *SPOILER* Jethro Tull at Ottawa, Canada *SPOILER*
Keywords: Jethro Tull Spoiler
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 22:21:58 GMT

Don't say I didn't warn you in case you go see them after you read this.

First off, the local promoters whould be shot for the way they organized
this concert. Maximum nuisance factor finding your seat and having half
the audience standing up while the concert began looking for his or 
her's. I'd like go on but just let me tell anyone here in Ottawa beware 
that the Congress Centre is not a rock concert venue. 

Now for Jethro Tull. GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This concert was a gem for the REAL Tull fans, especially if you enjoyed
their early material. A lot more of it than I expected and quite well
performed. They even played my favourite Tull tune ``My God'' from 
_Aqualug_. Ian Anderson can still put on the show he's legendary for
and Martin Barre showed that dispite all the years, he's still got the
licks to stay on top of the guitar world. One point I wished Anderson
wouldn't do is distract the audience while Barre is playing his solos.
I thought it was a little rude considering Anderson is synonymous with
the name Jethro Tull and does most of the talking and moves. At least
let Barre have his due share of the limelight. When it was appropriate
for Anderson to mingle with the crowd, it was a lot of fun. I was 
disappointed by the fact these guys didn't dress up in their famous
medival garb, out of fashsion now I guess. That would have really 
added to the atmosphere.

I was pretty surpised by the wide, no, huge generation gaps at the 
concert. Kids as young as 14 to adults in their late 40's were in 
attendance. Shows how long these guys have lasted and kept pace with
the changes over time. 

Biggest cheers cam for the classics, ``Locomotive Breath'', ``Aqualug'',
and ``Thick as a Brick''. Although I'm not too crazy about their 
recent albums, they did manage toplay the few cuts I do like, in 
particular ``Farm on a Freeway'', great tune. As the show was getting 
closer to the end, Anderson's voice was giving out, he just jabbed at 
the high notes. Crowd was very satified at the end (with the band, not
the promoter!)  

Andy 

                
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From: white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master)
Subject: Re: Crimso: What happened with "USA"???
Organization: S.H.A.D.O.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:16:37 GMT


	This is actually a FAQ; it is relatively well-known that Fripp
hates the album and does not want it released on CD.  "Asbury Park" though,
is a good track so Fripp consented to having it put on the box set.

	Why does Fripp hate the album?  I wondered about this too since
I thought "USA" was great - then I heard the Amsterdam concert recordings
and understood why: "USA" has no dynamic range and just belts out towers
and towers of loudness.  Also, some elements in the crowd were very rude,
and Fripp sees "USA" as being part of the dehumanizing arena concerts.
At one point I believe you can hear someone shout, "you suck!".  Given
these elements, it's easy to see why John Wetton loves "USA" and why he
could join a band like Uriah Heep! ;-)

Dave White
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:54:05 GMT
	<1992Nov03.220809.5945@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
	<1dntq3INNk95@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 10 Nov 92 09:01:55 GMT

In article <1dntq3INNk95@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:

   >UK is one of my favourite bands, if not my favourite.  That's because
   >they combined the rich jazz/prog harmonic vocabulary with *composed*
   >rock pieces.  Their virtue, for me, was that improvisation was
   >downplayed.  Unfortunately, I don't think Holdsworth was into that
   >kind of restriction.

     Exactly. That's probably why Holdsworth has ended up unhappy in any
   setting except for those he's created. Somewhat paradoxically, Chad
   Wackerman says that Holdsworth won't tell his sidemen what to play.

It's not paradoxical at all; it's completely consistent with the
tensions in UK: Holdsworth wants the individual musician to be free,
not restricted by others or by composed melodies.  That applies both
to Holdsworth in UK, and Wackerman in Holdsworth's band.

By the way, the UK split was made out to be more acrimonious than it
actually was.  This is acording to Eddie Jobson, who said that they
went out of their way to cultivate an image of acrimony...

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Elp Interview...
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Hmmm...The studio version of the song 'Tarkus' is OK.
I think that the live version on 'Weclome Back my Friends..." is 
better. Anyways, 'Pirates' is on Works I. Most of my friends that
are not 'heavy' ELP fans say that this is one of their best songs.

If you haven't any ideas which albums to pick up, I'd say Tarkus
is a safe bet but it's not their best work. Brain Salad Surgery
is easily the best (It includes Karn Evil 9) and a lot of other
great material. 

Another 'concept' piece is 'Pictures at an Exhibition'. Heavy
classical influence. 

As for ELP doing 'concept' material...have they ever?? If you
call Rush's 2112 a concept album, then I guess Tarkus is.
I always thought 'concept' implied a repeated theme through the
album. If this is the case, they've never done such an album. 

Most of the stuff they call 'concept' is actually a big chunk
of music with little songs put together (ie, Tarkus). Even all
three parts of Karn Evil 9 are not related. They just play them
together. Musically, Tarkus 'goes back' near the end...the last
part, Aquatarkus, has some bits from the first, Eruption.

I've been a fan of their material for quite a while. But in
all honesty, sometimes the lyrics could use some work ;-)

Jeff
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From: banati@lut.fi (Jozsef Banati)
Subject: John Keating CD wanted
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:48:23 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

Hi,

I don't know if this is the right group to post, since I'm not regular in
this group...
My friend in Hungary badly needs the following CD:
John Keating: Space Experience (EMI/Columbia). This is a copy of an LP issued
in the '70s. If some kind soul could help him to find a place where it is
available... The address/phone number/snail-mail/E-Mail of a shop would be
highly appreciated (probably the price, too).

Thans in advance! My friend's E-Mail: takacs@fserv.kfki.hu   or
                                      takacs@iif.kfki.hu
Please, reply to him directly.
                                    ---Jozsef--
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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:03:19 GMT


	I'm kind of curious--  are there two versions of this song out there?
I seem to remember that the version I always hear on the radio was much more
orchestrated than the album version on _Works, Vol. 2_.  More orchestral
parts, more choir, less keyboard, etc.  
	Can any one confirm or deny this?  And if it's true, does any one 
know if it's possible to get a copy of the radio version?

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Various info: Saga, Ange, King Crimson
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:40:30 GMT
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft

In article <CHRISLEY.92Nov9120803@black.oxford.ac.uk>  
chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:
> 
> Also, I just picked up a recent cover by Opus III of KC's "I Talk to
> the Wind".  A house version.  Bizarre.  Add it to the list of covers.
> 
> Speaking of covers, Halloween has covered UK's "In The Dead of Night"!
> 
> 

Strange days indeed... :-)

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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:35:36 GMT

In <1992Nov03.220809.5945@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:


[stuff about UK the album deleted]

>	Rich, I don't know where you live, but I had to get it as an 
>import here in Canada. I had been waiting years for it to come out on 
>CD!! Also, they have a live album recorded at the Budakon theatre in 
>Japan called ``U.K. Live! (Night After Night)''.

Here in California you can get _UK_, _Danger Money_, and _Night After Night_
at any Tower Records.

ObNitPick: isn't it the Budokan Theatre?  Sorry.  :) 


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From: gwaldron@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Glenn Waldron)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PINK FLOYD ???
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:31:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka) writes:
: I had heard the new album was supposed to come out this
: month, but I've heard nothing since. Anyone have any info???
: 
: Cheers,
: 
: -Jeff-

There's a 9-CD box set coming out this month, titled 'Shine On'.  I
forget the exact date though..

- Glenn.


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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: ELP's Father Christmas
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 18:52:41 GMT


I see we have got to that time when all the radio stations and
malls start playing Christmas music. There are not very many
Christmas rock songs, so I'm kind of surprised no one seems
to play ELP's Father Christmas (off of Works Vol. II). BTW is this
off Emerson's Christmas album that was available through Keyboard ?
Anyone know of other good songs that could be played at Christmas ?
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From: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Paul Gervais)
Subject: Gong
Originator: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:12:42 GMT

I recall reading about someone at their live show, in this group, a
couple of weeks ago, so I presume that they are still around.

Often I find myself listening to the band Can. Anyone else listen
to this german group- <<Monster Movi>> and <<Ege Bambaysi>> are
particularly excellent, I think.


David Gervais
dpg4m@virginia.edu				Buy products.
Organization: University/Publications & Printing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:14:54 -0500 
From: "Daniel E. Tyson" <dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Banco!!

Does anyone know if the new Banco CD is out yet? I'm also looking for
'As in a Last Supper' the English version. In fact I'd like any info on
Italian progressive music of the seventies!
Thanks
Dan
dt1z
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From: bjornl@sics.se (Bj|rn Lisper)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Beginner
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Nov11.134526.10051@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<BJORNL.92Nov12094942@rama.sics.se> <sf0dVru00WBOM2xbQm@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:46:34 GMT

In article <sf0dVru00WBOM2xbQm@andrew.cmu.edu> "Scott T. Lillis"
<sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I wrote:
>>the mid era albums. Fripp is (with a few exceptions) not playing much power
>>guitar, instead his guitar is often moving in intricate repetitive rythm
>>patterns interleaved with other instruments. Lots of polymetrics in here.

>                        .......You're right about the guitar change.
> It does have the power riffs like 21st Century or Lark's part 1. There
>is a more 'mathematical' edge to it that still has that little
>'twist'(schizophrenic) to it.  Like in Larks' tongues part 3 on Three of
>a Perfect Pair, my mouth still falls thruogh the floor when I here that
>first riff.  And the guitar looping in Discipline, etc.  I feel like I
>could write some mathematical derivation for those songs.  
>The new stuff was certainly a different turn.  Unlike the more
>east/west-fusion sound of the mid phase, the new stuff was like music of
>the future. .....

Actually you can trace the change in guitar style through Fripp's solo
albums between the two Crimson periods. Exposure is still dominated by heavy
power guitar combined with Frippertronics. But already on God Save the
Queen/Under Heavy Manners there is a strong repetitive element on some
tracks, like the "-ism" piece where Fripp repeats the same pattern for ten
minutes...there is a comment on the sleeve about the first take breaking
down after a while... Then, on the League of Gentlemen album, there is more
of this stuff: Fripp often lets his guitar loop against the fairly simple,
new wave-ish beats. Together with the snippets of J.C. Bennet talks weaved
into the rythm the result is fairly unique. Actually, I think it is a little
reminiscent of later hip-hop music using sampled loops.

Bjorn Lisper
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: porno for pryos?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.194205.837@bnf.com> ken@bnf.com (Ken Bibb) writes:
> In <1992Nov5.090041.26946@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>  
yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa) writes:
> 
> >Please don't be idiotic!.. the only thing that doesn't belong here
> >is YOU!
> 
> Grow up, child.  Learn how to write, learn how to format messages, then
> maybe someday, you'll be mature enough to post to the net.
> 

And perhaps someday, YOU will learn how to post an article without your  
signature appearing twice. :-)

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:21:12 EST
From: David B. Kramer <DK4984A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: U2 - newslist

I am seeking to join / find the U2 news list should one exist. Please E-mail
if you have any information. Thanx a lot. DavidK
From: jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Jon Anderson Question
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:34:35 GMT
Organization: NASA/MSFC

silvus@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu (Gregory Lee Silvus) writes:

>I like the album a lot. I grab it when I've just been dumped. It usually
>picks me right up. Ever notice that Jon seldom writes a song without
>the word *love* in it? Maybe not so much on his Yes albums, but most
>of his solo stuff has the word in it.

The word he seems to use most often is "time."  I think this would be
true even without "Your Move."

Somebody once did an lexicographic (I have a feeling this is the wrong
word) analysis of Pete Townshend's songs in which the frequency of
occurrence of various words was tabulated.  Has somebody else done this
for Jon Anderson?  Is this person still sane?  8-)
-- 
J. Porter Clark    jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov or jpc@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov
NASA/MSFC Flight Data Systems Branch

"Why do I have to keep reading these technical manuals?"
				 --Roger Waters
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: In a Glass House on CD 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:52:08 GMT

marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood) writes:

>According to an advertiser in the latest issue of _Goldmine_ magazine,
>_In a Glass House_ was recently released on CD.  I forget the name of
>the advertiser, but I recall that the price was US$20.  If no one
>beats me to it, I'll post the name of the advertiser tomorrow.

>				--MWood

Someone told me it was in the latest Wayside catalog, but I scanned it and 
didn't see it so I hadn't mentioned that "rumor". It probably is listed
in Wayside or will be soon. 

Also, a few of you probably already saw this, but Ranjit's latest mailorder
list has it listed too, and I suspect it'll soon be more widely accesible
through other retail and mailorder. Looks like Ranjit has them in stock? 

In case you've never heard of Ranjit before, he runs a mailorder service
and has an internet email address - ranjit@netcom.com. Please note that 
this is his new and preferred email address - the old one still works but
he'd prefer to use this one for cd mailorder stuff. 

- malcolm@wrs.com 

I have no affiliation or interest in Ranjit's business other than being
a happy customer... 
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From: mpg@iti.org (Martin P. Grueber)
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.030319.28256@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>
>	I'm kind of curious--  are there two versions of this song out there?
If I can recall history correctly there was one version that was
released as a single (mostly AM airplay -- remember AM radio) and the
version that was on Works II (for AOR FM).  A slightly remixed version
of the "orchestral" AM version is on the Atlantic Years 2-CD
compilation.

BTW: I don't know if a problem with our system here but I got know
     responses to a post of mine a while back asking if other folks
     who have the Atlantic Years compilation found a great deal of
     static on the first CD (esp. songs 4-10?)  I need to know if
     I take it back AGAIN will I find a better copy???  Thx.
From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
Subject: Gregs Stuff (was Re: STEVE MORSE INTERVIEW INFO)
Organization: Pure Software, Los Altos, CA
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 19:12:29 GMT

In other Dreg-related (old) news, I just picked up the 1986 Henry
Kaiser CD "Crazy Backwards Alphabet".  I was surprised to find that it
features Andy West on bass (and cover art by Matt Groening!).


-- 
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Los Altos, CA, 94024
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From: lamour@gong.mitre.org (Michael Lamoureux)
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant CD question - botched discs?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:38:14 GMT


>   From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
>
>   Seems to me I recall folks on the net and/or Gibraltar (prog rock list)
>   talking about how some or many of the Gentle Giant cds were botched, 
>   that some of the recordings had even been butchered or truncated
>   a few verses or bars or something, and maybe some more general
>   complaints about poor mastering, etc. Can anyone clarify this if
>   it is indeed correct? 

	Well, you probably got this impression from a post of mine, so
I guess I'll address it.

	_Playing the Fool_ on Castle Communications is mistracked.
The first 3 songs are not tracked properly at all (I think the first
two are tracked as one song, but the title of the second song is used
as part of the title of the second track).  If you look at the LP and
the CD, you'll notice that on the LP, all of the songs have the
correct names...the CD took some liberties with the titles. (oh, and
they dropped the cool constellation map from the CD booklet too...a
minor problem, but still)

	_Octopus_ on Line appears to have had it's liner notes copied
directly from the album (you can see where they "whited out" the old
copyright notices, etc).  Also, either this one or the domestic (US)
pressing has the wrong album cover.

	_Three Friends_ on Columbia has the _Gentle Giant_
album cover.  Also, the 6th song starts in the middle of the 5th
track!!  This is annoying.  I've been very tempted to buy the import
of this one for this reason alone.  (The import also has the right
cover)

	_The Power and the Glory_  on Capitol has NO liner notes.

	_Free Hand_ on One Way is mastered poorly.  Somewhere in the
Gibraltar archives is an explanation of how this happened.  Basically,
One Way didn't remaster it.  They got it from whoever they licenced it
from (CBS?, Columbia?), and the person who accepted it, had never
heard the album, so he didn't notice the problem.  Personally, I don't
think he would have had to hear the original to notice the problem.
This problem is most noticeable on the first two tracks.

	To the best of my knowledge, the only casualty was "Breakdown
in Brussles" from _Playing the Fool_.  It is unclear if this song will
ever show up on another CD somewhere (or if the song "The Power and
the Glory" will show up on CD either).  I am not aware of any actual
missing bits of songs or anything.  As long as you listen to all CDs
from start to finish, and never look at the CD booklets, you may never
notice some of the problems I have mentioned.  There may also be more
than I know about...

	BTW, sorry for starting this in the first place.  I should
have been more explicit about the question when I originally asked it
(however long ago that was).


Hope this clarifies it a bit,
Michael
lamour@mitre.org
Gibraltar Moderator

PS>  I haven't listened to any of these CDs for months, so I may have
	gotten some of the details wrong, but I'm pretty sure about
	just about all of it.
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From: rda582y@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (C.J. Ray)
Subject: Yes mailing list
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:46:36 GMT

Could some kind soul please give me the address(s) for the Yes mailing list?

Thank you muchly ...

-- 
 . .                                       "You say times are tough,      
  U     Charles Ray                         we've got the best of both    
 (-)    rda582y@nella12.cc.monash.edu.au    worlds here."     -- Midnight Oil
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