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From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:39:11 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen):
:- mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
:- 
:- >	do you not think that if h-d
:- >	motorcycling is the same as the rest, then discussions relating
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:- >	to it belong to rec.moto? if there is one newsgroup that already
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:- >	serves the purpose why create a new one? the only reason i can
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:- 
:- Out there in the world of networks are a thing called usenet. This great
:- and diverse net is split into a lot of small sections called newsgroups.
:- These newsgroups have designed by wise men and women to allow those poor
:- mortals with only 24 hours in their day to find the things that interest
:- them with ease. That is: without having to wade through tons of irrelevant
*******----------------------------------------------------------> ^^^^^^^^^^
:- material. As this creature previously being referred to usenet grows, and
   ^^^^^^^^

	see the conflict?

:- it does cause many men and women feels attracted to its services, more
:- and more material is dumped on every newsgroup. And the size of the
:- irrelevant grows more and more. So more newsgroups are established.

	then divide rec.moto into: rec.moto.relevant and
	rec.moto.irrelevant. your suggestion seems to assume that the
	current discussion of motorcycles as carried out in rec.moto is
	irrelevant to motorcycles (of which harley i presume is one).
	a better solution then would be to moderate the group!!!
	(counter steering is something that appears in moto discussions
	more than harleys or jap bikes... so should we form
	rec.moto.countersteering??? how and at what stage do we define
	relevancy and division?).

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty 1/2)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.int-fiction
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:20:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Jul21.192529.4661@uunet.uu.net>, forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes) writes:
> This is a Request For Discussion on the creation of the unmoderated newsgroup:
> 
> rec.games.int-fiction
>   Discussion of games in the Interactive Fiction genre, including but not
>   limited to text adventures such as Adventure, Zork and other Infocom games,
>   the Scott Adams series, hints for gameplaying, news from manufacturers and
>   other related topics.

How about non-text-based IF games?  Like the stuff Lucasfilm and Sierra have
put out?

-- 
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			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 19 Jul 92 17:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

I think that merging comp.unix.sysv[23]86 to comp.unix.ibmpc-arch is not
a good idea.  The differences between the major flavors of Unix on PC
clones are too big for them to fit into one group (the proposed group
would probably attract traffic about all Unices on PC clones, including
BSD, Minix, and Linux).  I think we need flavor specific groups for
those platforms for which there is enough traffic.

I suggest:

	Old groups/names	New groups/names

	comp.unix.msdos		comp.unix.dos-emulator or .dos-under-unix
				comp.unix.sys3
				comp.unix.sysv (cf. comp.unix.bsd)
	comp.unix.sysv286	comp.unix.sysv.i286
	comp.unix.sysv386	comp.unix.sysv.i386

I don't know about the need for a sys3 group (is there any traffic about
sys3?), nor am I guite enthusiastic about sysv[23]86 renamings.  I do
think that renaming comp.unix.msdos can be a good idea, the current name
seems to attract questions about where to find Unix-like utilities for
DOS. 

As to Peter da Silva's proposal of moving comp.os.linux and
comp.os.minix under comp.unix (i.e., renaming to comp.unix.linux and
comp.unix.minix), I don't know: at least comp.os.linux is gatewayed to
Fidonet, and they will possibly have problems if the name changes.  Then
again, perhaps Usenet should be governed by Usenet needs, not Fidonet
needs.

--
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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:31:21 GMT
Organization: Bit Herders International

In article <1992Jul21.144232.16195@wpi.WPI.EDU> mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
+	                                                   (note: i do
+	wear a helmet at all times. ...

Must be tough when you are trying to take a shower or go to bed.

============================================================================
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	Hate is a word that is not.
	Love, I am told, is more precious than gold.
	Love, I have read, is hot.
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	And Love but a drug on the mart.
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	But Hating, my boy, is an Art.
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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: NEW Role Players Guides Group
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:26:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio) writes:

Except that he doesn't - the article is signed Mark DiAntonio, while the
account is in the name of Brian DiAntonio.  That, coupled with the fact
that the message was sent to far too many newsgroups, and was sent each
time as a different message (rather than crossposting), tends to make me
believe that a kid brother has got onto the net again.

>NO THIS ISN't REC.GAMES. FRP. (or any of those)
>I didn't give a good decription last time.  Please take into consideration
>this newsgroup.  I should go about getting it made?

No - you shouldn't.  Read the FAQ posting in rec.games.frp (which is going
away) & rec.games.frp.misc, especially the section about the net.books
>
>The group I am suggesting would have (and not limited to)
>(a) Monster Beastiary (sic)
>This would be a section posted weekly. . . .
>(b) New Spells list
>This would be like the Beastiary in the way that it would be posted weekly.
>(c) New Equipment

Nobody wants an expanding list posted weekly.  Most (if not all) of the
topics above are already adequately covered by the net.books, which are
available by ftp (and are posted *occasionally* for the benefit of those
readers who are unable to ftp).

>(d) Adds (sic)
>Anyone that is looking for players or DMs in thier area could advertise.
>Contact each other through e-mail and maybe be playing soon.

This is the only really new idea - the suggestion that there should be
an electronic bulletin board where DMs and players could advertise. But
again I don't really see the need for a new group (or even a new subgroup
under rec.games.frp) - postings of this nature go to rec.games.frp.misc
or rec.games.frp.dnd at present, and there do not seem to be anywhere
near enough of them to warrant creating a whole new gropu just for them.

>Anyones ideas on names for the sections (Grepkor's Shoppe, etc.), 
>HELP running one of the sections (Name it yourself), or suggestions
>on either the group in general, or new sections of the group would
>be accepted openly.  Any discussions of problems can be ironed out
>with me.

I don't think we need a new group, and I really think you should read
the Usenet guidelines on group creation before taking this much further.
Pay special attention to the section about posting an RFD.

>Mark DiAntonio
>bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
-- 
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 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
From: n1gak@netcom.com (Scott Statton)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:17:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bs4Fr0.77F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
...stuff deleted...
>
>misc.forsale.computers does have far too much volume to read easily,

AMEN!

...more deletion...

>                                              For example, printers,
>drives, memory, and modems of one type can bee used on Unixes, Macs,
>and PC's.
>
>I suggest:
>
>   misc.forsale.computers.systems -- for cpu's, as well as complete
>      systems sold bundled.  Can be broken down by to apple, pc,
>      unix, other if necessary later.
>
>   misc.forsale.computers.software -- should be more than enough
>      to handle current software traffic.
>   
>   misc.forsale.computers.storage -- disk drives, ram, tape, etc.
>
>   misc.forsale.computers.peripherals -- modems, printers, mice, etc.
>
>   misc.forsale.computers.misc -- books, other computer related items.
>-- 
>Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)

I agree with Thomas 95%.  I think stoarage devices are insufficiently
differentiable from "perhipherals", and thus should be grouped under the
more encompassing "peripherals".  With 50% :-) I'd suggest that there is
a m.f.c.discussion, for flamewars on "user <foo>@<machine> is a slime"
or "UPS scrwed me" or similar meta-discussions on how-to-go-about-selling.
Personal bias:  I'd like to see m.f.c.systems seperated by hardware
platform nearly immediately, because I have no interest in ISA platform
machines.  Certainly, following m.f.c. now I see a pretty even mix between
ISA platform machines, Apple machines, and real^H^H^H^Hother platforms.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:32:12 GMT

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl):
:- 
:- It is NOT a majority vote:

	i was not using majority in that sense... my mistake...
	interpret majority in my previous posts as minimum detractors
	required.

:- A relative minority of antagonists can vote down the group against the 
:- wish of the majority of proponents; refer to guidelines please.
:- In fact, if we have e.g. 101 proponents, 2 antagonist can vote the 
:- newsgroup down.

	you have a very valid point here. maybe its time usenet
	guidelines were changed.

:- me of a forum which cannot be replaced by rec.mot an infringement
:- upon my rights.

	which brings us to a question: IS Usenet a right???

:- |> 	vote the group down, i have already answered that.
:- 
:- I have no _case_ against you.
:- I just can't resist. 8-)

	i didnt know i was so much a flame bait ;) (especially
	considering that my occasional posts on rec.moto go mostly
	unnoticed... and thats saying a lot, r.m being what it is!).

:- That is ALL we proponents want;
:- we have enough _proponents_ to get the group.
:- Our problems are the antagonists...

	well i wish you success... but if you ask me, i would say r.m.h
	is a bad idea... but my reasons would be mostly emotional! ;)
 
:- The argument that the creation of rec.mot.harley will destroy the community
:- of motorcyclists is fallacious, as I have shown:

	it certainly is. but i would stand by the arguement that it
	furthers prevailing unfortunate notions about h-d bikes and
	their riders (on the one side such misconceptions as "harleys
	are oil-leaking blah-blah" and on the other side such trivial
	trash such as, i quote from hunter thompson, "the current boom
	in lightweight bikes relates to outlaw motorcycles the same way
	the bogus Hells Angels Fan Club T-shirts relate to the real
	Hells Angels...."). however if the majority of harley riders on
	the net do want the group i suppose they should have it, and if
	i am right they might learn from their errors (not to mention
	that i might learn a few lessons myself ;). i continue to
	believe that h-d motorcycling is the same as jap (or other) bike
	motorcycling.

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcyles.harley
Summary: motorcyclists are divided against themselves
Organization: Bit Herders International
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:01:29 GMT

Some write:
> Others answer:
>> Blah, blah
> Blah, blah, blah

I think that I have a solution to this whole mess.

We kill the idea of rec.mc.hd.

Then we get rid of rec.mc and replace it with:

	rec.motorcycles.for
	rec.motorcycles.against
	rec.motorcycles.undecided

The first group is ONLY for those wanting a split.
The second group is ONLY for those against a split.
The last is for those that don't care.

That should restore peace & harmony to the land.

NOTES: 1) Don't say that you agree only with the first part of the post :-).
2) If you take this too seriously: Get a life!

============================================================================
	Love is a word that is constantly heard,
	Hate is a word that is not.
	Love, I am told, is more precious than gold.
	Love, I have read, is hot.
	But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
	And Love but a drug on the mart.
	Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
	But Hating, my boy, is an Art.
			-- Ogden Nash
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From: gowj@novavax.UUCP (James Gow)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFV: Rec.moto.harley
Keywords: beta, testing, portability
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:47:57 GMT
Reply-To: gowj@novavax.UUCP (James Gow)
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, Florida

What was the address for the harley vote?

-- 
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Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.sysv386
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:15:56 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dws@ssec.wisc.edu:
>     comp.unix.emulators.dos

But sometimes MS-DOS *isn't* being emulated.  For example, VP/ix and
Merge/386 actually _do_ run DOS in a virtual 8086.  Thus you have DOS
under UNIX, but the DOS is not emulated; it's real.
-- 
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   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Xref: sparky news.groups:15934 comp.os.coherent:3172
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:50:54 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
 <1992Jul22.061313.4249@acme.gen.nz> <1992Jul21.141409.23783@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams) writes:

> I think that moving .minix, .linux, and .coherent under comp.unix[+] is a
> terrible idea.  Check out the thread in comp.unix[+].bsd about AT&T suing
> BSDI on the issue of intellectual property.  Apparently, USL are going
> to be real bastards about this, and possibly endanger any form of free
> UNIX[+] that is in any way derived from BSD.  I would therefore encourage
> the net to use the "U" word as little as possible.  comp.unix[+].* should
> go away, to be replaced by comp.os.unix[+].* (or perhaps comp.os.UNIX[+]TM.*! )
> which would *ONLY* be used for "true" USL licensed UNIX[+] versions.
> UNIX[+]-like systems, such as minix, linux, bsd, etc., should be peers in
> comp.os.  Just my two cents...

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Surrendering the word unix to AT&T is
exactly what they want. As I understand it, they can have UNIX[tm] or maybe
USL UNIX[tm], but not "unix". These OSs are designed to provide a unix-
compatible API, putting them in comp.unix makes sense. Abandoning comp.unix
to some litigation-happy phone company doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
What are they going to do, sue Usenet?!

						- k

UNIX is a trademark of Unix Systems Laboratories, a subsidary of AT&T[1]

[1] AT&T is a modem test command.
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:15:51 GMT

ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) writes:

> Just a question: what is wrong with the current "trend" of putting a 
> .marketplace group in each comp.sys.* node?  It strikes me that those who
> are interested in further specification would really like to look at those
> groups instead.

> Perhaps it's really better to rmgroup misc.forsale.computers and install
> groups in the separate nodes for each computer?

I hate to ask this again, but what about items that can be used on different
platforms.  Just because my hard drive came from a Mac doesn't mean someone
with a pc, a Sun, or a NeXT can't use it.  Modems are just about completely
interchangeable.  Also, I recenty bought a dumb terminal from m.f.computers.
Which comp.sys.*.marketplace would this go into?  Balkanization by platform
is only going to result in sellers reaching fewer potential buyers, and
buyers having to look more places for what they want.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Mark Diantonio)
Subject: Kill prev. NEWGROUP(I orII)
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:37:10 GMT


I have recieved and read all your responses to those postings.  I have gone
about it the right way this time.  A RFD will be posted here soon.  
I would appreciate it if we could start anew.  Please give your
honest responses to this new posting.  As for the old postings,
KILL them, they are not important.  The new posting is completely
revised.

Thanks for your time and responses

- Mark DiAntonio
bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:54:21 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
X-Subliminal-Message: You can quit reading news anytime you want.

In article <1992Jul22.201127.19407@phlpa.pha.pa.us> scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold) writes:
|In article <14ka96INNc0m@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr> Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr writes:
|>scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold) writes:
|>> comp.os.sco.unix
|>> comp.os.sco.xenix
|>> comp.os.att.unix
|>
|>I would not like that because some site willing to take all Unix groups
|>would have to generate an ugly entry in its sys file.
|>
|>I like being able to feed comp.unix.* or whatever as long as Unix
|>stays as a sub-hierarchy.
|
|I too do not like this either. I would like to see my first idea:
|
|comp.os.sco
|comp.os.att
|etc..
|

This seems a very strange way of doing things.  Usenet is normally organized
along functional lines, not brand names ...  if SCO suddenly came out with
an MS-DOS clone called "Dis-Dos", your scheme would put it under
"comp.os.sco.disdos" where logically it belongs under "comp.os.msdos.*".
Dis-Dos and Xenix would have little in common except the company that
produced them.

If SCO went under and Borland took over Xenix, would you have to change the
name to "comp.os.borland.xenix"?

ben
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: pmontgom@math.orst.edu (Peter Montgomery)
Subject: Re: Update on RFD: sci.math.research.events (was sci.math.research.fields-institute)
Keywords: new group, research institutes, events
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:43:14 GMT

In article <BrwuuD.4MM@watserv1.waterloo.edu> albers@fields.UWaterloo.ca 
(Sheri L. Albers) writes:

>>Basically, postings would be about Institute conference  
>>announcements and results, seminars, positions available, calls for  
>>papers, and other news that would be of interest to a worldwide  
>>readership of mathematicians.

>Positions available would be routed to sci.research.careers, and results 
>would be routed to  sci.math.research.

	The newsgroup for position announcements is misc.jobs.offered
(or the new misc.jobs.offered.entry), not sci.research.careers

-- 
New address as of June 26, 1992:
        Peter L. Montgomery              Internet: pmontgom@math.orst.edu
        Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ, Corvallis, OR 97331-4605 USA

Xref: sparky news.groups:16263 rec.railroad:6100 sci.environment:10375 rec.bicycles:19329 misc.consumers:14739
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.railroad,sci.environment,rec.bicycles,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.transit
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:41:12 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

In article <1992Jul31.091423.15581@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
 > Discussion about transit now takes place in a number of different newsgroups.
 	[deletia] 
 > Would a rec.transit group make any sense? People talk about transit a lot,
 > at least in communities where there's an adequate transit system.
 >  
 > I can't run a vote from here, but I'd encourage discussion about whether
 > we need a rec.transit. Perhaps someone could volunteer as vote-taker if
 > there's significant enthusiasm for this suggestion.

I think it's a great idea.  Two points:

1) I don't think the 'rec' hierarchy is appropriate.  Misc.transit would
be better.

2) Discussion of this should take place in news.groups, to which I have
set follow-ups.  (Is that gramatically correct?)  Also, Nigel, I think
you're supposed to post to (moderated) news.announce.newsgroups for an
"official" RFD, which is needed before an actual vote.

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