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From: peggys@orca.TEKTRONIX.COM
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: need help getting back on track
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Jul23.234823.15961@midway.uchicago.edu>,
meh8@quads.uchicago.edu (maurita e horn) writes:
>  To be honest, I lost weight at about the same rate on WW
> and it was considerably cheaper.  $9/week for WW as compared to $45/week
> for Nutrisystem.  However, in terms of convenience, NS was very easy because
> all of the meals were prepared.  If I had all of those options today I would
> almost surely sign up for WW.
> 
> This group has been great and it has been instrumental in helping me
> lose 6 lbs over the past few weeks.  I know that isn't a large amount
> but I figure any loss is great.  I just want to get back on track :(
>> elaine
>  

Elaine,
I personally feel that you do have those options. A couple years ago I joined
Jenny Craig & lost 20 lbs.  I probably would have continued except that it
wasn't convenient (about a 20 mile drive one way) and I also figured it would
cost me alot less going to WW.  I was able to keep the 20lbs off but I've gone
back to WW (just last week) to lose the 44lbs it'll take to get me back to my
goal weight.  I am a lifetime member after having reached my goal 10 yrs ago,
but unfortunately as many of us here, gained it back & then some.  I hate to
cook so I take advantage of there frozen entrees mostly for dinners.  I pack
my breakfast & lunches & find that what I especially like is the fact that I
can eat what everyone else is eating & no one has to know I'm  on an eating
program (I hate the word diet!).  I typically have a bagel w/ fat free cream
cheese for breakfast, sandwich w/ lite bread, lite lunchmeat & cheese & lite
mayo, & veggies &/or fruit for lunch.  Snacks are usually fruit or one of their
frozen treats & then a frozen entree for dinner.  They have a wonderful 
variety. I was able to go to Sizzler yesterday for lunch & had a fahita
chicken breast that was yummy & a side of veggies.  Knowing that you can go
just about anywhere & usually find something that can be measured on program is
a real plus for me...I tend not to feel left out & no one really has to know
cause your just eating healthy.  You can't do that with Nutra or Jenny.
Speaking of Jenny Craig...I have a friend who is going now & they are now only
allowing them one diet pop a week...they believe the Nurtasweet encourages
cravings.  Anyone else heard this.  I know there is alot of controversy about
Nutrasweet.
Best of luck to you Elaine!

					Peggy

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: willis@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: Hypnosis - Personal Experience (long)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:09:53 GMT

My one success at weight loss was by using guided imagery (self-hypnosis),
as described in the Runners' World Weight Loss Book (at least I think that's
the title :-) (not an ad; I have no connection with them and don't even know
if the book is still in print). The idea is that you put yourself in a light
trance twice a day, and give yourself affirming messages (every day I am
getting thinner and thinner; I eat only when I'm hungry; and so forth). 
The book has four areas of concentration - body image, metabolism, habits,
and  - I forget the fourth one! Anyway, the idea is that you concentrate
on one area per session. The whole thing takes about 10-15 min once you are
used to it, longer when you are first learning. 

I lost 20 pounds doing this, which may not sound like a lot, but it was a
HARD 20 pounds - from 130 to 110 (I'm 5'2"). I kept it off for about three
years, and only gained it back when I quit exercising (I had been running
5-7 miles per day) and quit doing the trances - they recommend that you 
do it every couple of days as maintenance after you are at your goal weight.

Warning - this book really talks up being thin as a great thing, and has
a lot of negative things to say about being fat. Look through it carefully
before you buy it.

		Sue Willis
		willis@sscvx1.ssc.gov

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mneow@wam.umd.edu (Who wants to know?)
Subject: Re: support!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.182631.21870@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal) writes:
>Received: by comm.Tandem.COM (5.52.1/2.D)
>        id AA4921; 23 Jul 92 11:25:19 -0700
>Date: 23 Jul 92 11:10:00 -0700
>From: ABASCAL_LIANA@tandem.com
>Message-Id: <199207231125.AA4921@comm.Tandem.COM>
>To: abascal@cory.berkeley.edu
>
>  Margot,
>     Keep up the good work!  Don't get discouraged!  I'm having the same
>problem - I lost 5 pounds in 5 weeks on WW (a slow rate but at least it
>is coming off - I have to weigh in today and I have a feeling that I am
>staying at the same weight).  My problem is that I don't have that much
>to lose - about 10 more pounds is my goal.  So I pretty much started in
>the place where most people start slowing down.  Let's try and support
>each other.
>  I think everyone can use extra support anyway.
>       Happy dieting,
>                Liana


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:43:06 GMT

In article <19920728111339SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
> 
>I ice skated when I was a kid.  So in March I just couldn't fight
>it any longer and I got a pair of Rollerblade Lightnings.  I skate
>3+ times per week, anywhere from 2 to 6 miles at a time, and I
>have slimmed down (13 pounds!) and toned up A LOT.  I also use a
>Stairmaster, but only when the streets are wet.  I have seen the
>most improvement in my hips :) and buttocks :) and have thinned
>in the thighs as well.  (I've lost the weight/FAT through exercise
>on a regular basis and low-fat food.)


That's what I wanted to hear.  A testimonial.  Good for you.

> 
>It is terrific aerobic exercise.  Like any other aerobic exercise,
>I would aim to do it 3+ times per week for 20+ minutes.  Rink
>skating is fine if that's what you choose, but wouldn't you rather
>skate outdoors for FREE? :)
> 
I know it's free but at my age (over 50) I seem to fall more on the 
streets.  And then I have these big sores on my legs when I go water
skiing.  But I just might invest in the knee and elbow pads and try
it around the block a few times.

>Do what you enjoy and call it "fun" instead of "exercise".
> 
That's exactly why I wanted to roller skate.  It's always been FUN
for me.  If it does all for me that rollerblading has done for you
so much the better.  It's just like when I go off my diet, I don't
say I cheated.  I say I treated myself.

>ps: If 13# doesn't sound like much for 4 months, it was 10% of
>my weight and I'm within one pound of my target weight now.  Now
>I need to retest my body fat % to see if indeed I've hit my target!

GREAT!  Good for you.  Go for it.  Keep up the good work and the lbs
down.

Fran Peterson

F [:)
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet Pretzels???
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:14:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l6ok4kINNl6c@male.EBay.Sun.COM> sarahb@fanfare.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>

>
>These are Mr. Phipps brand Pretzel chips.  They have no fat.  They are baked
>not fried.  They have 50 calories per 17 chips!!!   They also have
>4 varieties, but only the one with none of the bad stuff in it.
>And to top it off,  they are good.  My kids love them.  I really like them.
>
>Now i'll find out they are bad for me.
>

Hi Sarah,

The only really undesireable thing in pretzels is sodium. I generally
rub most of the salt off the outside (if I am in a frame of mind to
care!) and enjoy!

Pretzels *are* great, but do read labels, some do have other
undesireable things so you have to choose carefully!

Have fun,

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: pie!
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<LGOLD.92Jul23172714@callahans.Cadence.COM> <22698@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:39:46 GMT

In article <22698@oasys.dt.navy.mil> 421s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Masser) writes:
>In alt.support.diet, lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:
>>Q: How would it come out if you were to use two non-fat aspartame-
>>sweetened yogurts, 8 oz of VERY CHILLED nonfat milk whipped to a foam,
>>and 1 package of unflavored gelatin?

>Can you whip non-fat milk?  I think I've tried it once, with not much
>luck.

Yes.  I used a device called BAMIX to do it.  The milk must be VERY
cold (you have to put it in the freezer until ice crystals start to
form) and must be whipped at a very high speed.

--Lynn
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From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Tired of it
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:12:57 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

After being on every conceivable diet all my life, I am sick and 
disgusted with the entire field of nutrition. I have been to weight 
watchers and diet workshop innumerable times, and a;lways walked away 
sensing that the instructors weren't too bright and just finished losing 
weight a few weeks ago.
How can anyone pay any attention to them as they clearly know so little 
and they do forget themselves at times. I remember once that I lost about 
10 pounds in one week and being heavily congratulated by the instructor 
when she should have chastized me instead.
Does anything work?
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Hello again!
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:48:31 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Hello all you fantabulous people!

After a long net-absence (work, then vacation), I'm back, 
still at 385 lbs (no loss, no gain since last post, -10 since
starting in late April).  I've fallen off the wagon for various
reasons, though I've still maintained a pretty healthy eating
ritual.

Why is this all so hard, I wonder?  I was going great guns on
this diet, and though I am still eating healthily, my exercise
has really slacked off of late.  I am plenty motivated to cut out
the fatty food, but it's *exercise* that seems to be the
stumbling block.  What are you into?  I've got my exercise bike
that I can't bring myself to get on, a pool that I can only get
to at the end of the workday, when I'm exhausted (the hours are
9AM - 9PM), and though my wife likes to just *walk*, I feel like
I'm wasting time just walking around.  I do like aerobics, and
have a good tape-- there I'm using the excuse of being too busy.

Please post or e-mail encouragement.  I've been very busy working 
lately and haven't really had time to read a.s.d., but I'm setting my
priorities again-- the group was doing me a lot of good, and so
I'm making time to read.

BTW, my "Food du Jour" feature returns tomorrow... I'm making
a grilled mahi-mahi for dinner tonight!

My best wishes to all of you.  Hope sends her "hello", noting
that she'll soon be wired for usenet/e-mail herself!


Tom
From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Carob
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:04:42 GMT
Organization: UB

tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.) writes:


|Are all olives high in fat?  I thought all olives were high in fat but was told last night
|that black olives aren't.  Any truth?


	I think that *olives* themselves aren't high in fat at all, it's 
	just that they're usually cured in olive oil and they soak up a lot
	of that.  

	Black olives seem to be eaten UN-cured more frequently than green,
	maybe that's what they were talking about.

		
			Marie

	PS -- IMHO greens don't taste good at ALL without being cured.
	      And blacks don't taste good, period.

		Ahh well.
From: drh@spock.EBay.Sun.COM (Live Long and Prosper)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: late nite munching...
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:34:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: drh@spock.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.ebay.sun.com


I have lost 16 lbs over the past few months.  The way I've done it was to watch
fat intake, and through an herbal/fruit program.  For example I will eat 3-4
nectarines, and take some herbs that supposedly strip fat out of your body and
wash it from your bloodstream.  They really seem to work.  For some reason they
even seem to change what I *want* to eat, really!  They do cost a bit, basically 
$65 for a two week supply.  I don't mind that, because a) I don't feel I'm depriving myself,
b) they do work, and c) they weight doesn't come back on.  

To get to my point.  I have been eating this other "herb food" late at night (after 8) because 
I can't or don't want to deprive myself of a late night snack (I've been eating healthy,
but fatening snacks while watching video movies (forever).  The herb product has
0 fat (I used to eat "health" chips (Red Hot Blues) which contain 1700 calories per
bag, and hundreds of grams (if memory serves) of fat.  I would appreciate ideas you might have
about other low fat, tasty, low calorie foods to munch on.  I do like fruit, but sometimes
when I consume large amounts of fruit the fruit sugar will actually keep me awake.  I
don't really like popcorn sans butter, and i think i'm allergic to corn anyway.  When I
eat crackers, I won't loose any weight that day, likewise with anything heavy (sandwhiches,
cheese, baked chicken).  So we are talking very light foods, that taste great (rice cakes
don't qualify), that can be eaten in fairly large quantities (for exampler I eat 1/3 of
a watermellon for breakfast in the morning I am 6' 1", with a large muscular frame).

I'd be gratefull for your ideas.  If we can't come up with anything better (than the $35
herb food product, that is good for about a week) at least I'll know that the money was
well spent, because there really was no better/cheaper alternative.

Please respond directly to my e-mail address, since I get real busy sometimes and may miss
postings to the whole group.

Thanks,  -David

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: pruett@CS.ColoState.EDU (J. L. Pruett)
Subject: pie!!!
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:36:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


SHEESH PEOPLE.

ever heard of non-fat yogurt, cool whip light and diet crusts!!  

last time I try to be helpful. 

Don't bother with your nasty comments anymore, I can't believe I've
even responded to  your complaints as it is. I usually don't bother.
From: deaster@gumby.Altos.COM (Le Chevalier Blanc)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Truly Taking Care of Yourself
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:56:11 GMT
Reply-To: deaster@altos.COM (Le Chevalier Blanc)
Organization: Altos Computer Systems, San Jose, CA

Suddenly, and without prior warning
nor provocation, lgold@cds8952.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) said:
->
->I've found a way to deal with restaurant foods!
->
->It's called "May I please have that wrapped to go?"
->
->I usually find that restaurant portions are twice as big as I need in
->one sitting, so I mentally figure out where the half-point is before I
->start eating.  When I'm approaching the half-point, I decide how
->hungry I am (or am not), and then gauge how much more I want to eat.
->
->Usually thinking about having a more substantial portion when I'm
->eating the rest of the food later causes me to stop.  In the rare
->cases where the proportion is about right, I DO eat.

I second this method.  I used to always be a "clean your plate" kind of 
restaurant goer.  But since I've been loosing weight, I find that not
only am I less hungry at restaurants, but also that I don't particularly
*want* to eat it all.  I used to eat until I felt really stuffed...I thought
that was what it felt like to be "satisfied".  Now I eat until I'm not
hungry anymore and have eaten a relatively normal portion.  If I don't
finish what's on the plate, I don't feel guilty about leaving the
side dish or asking for a "doggie bag".  Plus I get a "free meal" later!

				-Dave Easter

-- 
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Support Engineer) "Chivalry is not dead, it's just paralyzed from the neck up."
Altos Computers ) Disclaimer: mine, mine, mine; get, get, get; mine, mine mine!
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:59:13 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul25.002149.3342@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>There are two points to remember:
>
>1) You lose a _lot_ more fat with sustained exercise.  It takes ~20
>   minutes of sustained exercise to burn off your blood sugar and
>   gycol (?, stored in liver) before your body will start to directly
>   metabolize fat.  Shorter exercise only has a secondary effect
>   (you reduce the amount of 'stuff' available to put into fat cells).
>
One major point to remember.  There is really no true consensus about
any of this.  Ya picks your guru, and you go with what makes sense.

For example, Covert Bailey (yeah, I'm a disciple :-) essentially contradicts
the above in The New Fit or Fat.  What he says is that you burn fat all
the time, and the point of exercise is to get your body to burn even
more fat all the time (as he calls it, making you a "better butter burner").

Anyways, one of the points he mentions is that many overweight people would
in fact be better off exercising 12 minutes *at their target heart rate*
several times a day than doing a longer stint of exercise.  

So who really knows?  I think the best advice is to do what you'll stick
with and not worry so much about what is "the true way."  We're all
individuals, and if anything is really true, it's that what is the "the"
way for one person is not necessarily what is true for someone else.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:29:18 GMT

In article <vvmmgr#.rfelix@netcom.com> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>
>Unfortunately there is something in these preparations that *really*
>irritates my stomach lining. I think this stuff contributed to a
>recurrence of an ulcer!
>


I had an ulcer at one time.  Got rid of it 15 years ago when I got divorced.
Also lost 40 lbs without trying.  

Then I got into a REAL STRESSFUL situation.  Had one ulcer attack. Gained
20 lbs.  No more ulcer.  But am having a time with the last 10 lbs.

But this group has help!!!

TX

Fran Peterson

F [:)


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: helen@wufpack.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Helen Spinks)
Subject: Carob
Reply-To: helen@b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:31:14 GMT

Can someone tell me the benefits of carob over chocolate?
I've always heard that carob was a "health" food, but why?
Could it be that carob has no caffeine?  If someone knows,
I'd appreciate a fat/calorie count.

Thanks,

Helen
From: peggys@orca.TEKTRONIX.COM
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: support!
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Jul23.182631.21870@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>,
abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal) writes:
> From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
> Subject: support!
> Date: 23 Jul 92 18:26:31 GMT
> Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
> 
> Received: by comm.Tandem.COM (5.52.1/2.D)
>         id AA4921; 23 Jul 92 11:25:19 -0700
> Date: 23 Jul 92 11:10:00 -0700
> From: ABASCAL_LIANA@tandem.com
> Message-Id: <199207231125.AA4921@comm.Tandem.COM>
> To: abascal@cory.berkeley.edu
> 
>   Margot,
>      Keep up the good work!  Don't get discouraged!  I'm having the same
> problem - I lost 5 pounds in 5 weeks on WW (a slow rate but at least it
> is coming off - I have to weigh in today and I have a feeling that I am
> staying at the same weight).  My problem is that I don't have that much
> to lose - about 10 more pounds is my goal.  So I pretty much started in
> the place where most people start slowing down.  Let's try and support
> each other.
>   I think everyone can use extra support anyway.
>        Happy dieting,
>                 Liana

Well,
I've been lurking here since we started receiving this newsgroup and after
seeing Liana's post, decided to speak up. I'm happy to see other WW in the
group.  10 yrs ago I reached my goal and made lifetime.  Unfortunately, over
the last several years I've gained it back.  After several tries at rejoining,
I started again last week.  I feel that mentally & emotionally I am once again
where I need to be to make the commitment, to myself.  I have learned alot over
the years of battling my weight and now realize that lifetime lifestyle
changes are evident.  It will probably be harder this go-around because I have
probably screwed my metabolism up royal with all the yo-yoing.  I have some
good people that are very special in my life that are very supportive and I
have already gained alot just from reading this group.  I have 44lbs to get
back to my goal weight, I know it will be a long hard haul, but now with the
knowledge that this is the way I need to eat for the rest of my life, I feel
strong enough to give it a go.  My best to all of you!

					Peggy

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          | Tektronix, Inc., Network Displays Division	      |
          | PO Box 1000, MS 60-430, Wilsonville, OR 97070     |
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From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:35:22 GMT
Organization: UB

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:



|Back when I was into rabid dieting, I was very successful including
|muffins -- BIG muffins -- for breakfast on a daily basis.  They were
|sweetened with fruit juice, but from what I understand that doesn't
|make a whole heck of a lot of difference.  My whole life revolved
|around those muffins.  I dreamt about muffins.  I lost loads of
|weight, more than 100 pounds, down to my goal.  Muffins every
|morning.

	Lauren,

	TELL US where you got these miracle muffins!!  What are in them,
	how did you make them?  And what else did you do besides MUFFINS
	to lose 100+ lbs???

			Tell, tell,

				Marie