From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dart the Witchling)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and gaming
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:18:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <168smvINNmae@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> mortal@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (71079000) writes:
>1) Not always. This is true in porno films, but I seriously doubt that
>   the sex scenes in "Henry and June" really happened.

	I must be missing the alleged point.  Once it is on screen, 
it IS real in the reality bubble the film creates, and not real in the sense
that all it really is is light on a big silver wall.

>2) What's wrong with pointing out that the people who are making out on
>   screen are pretending to love each other (if they are).
	
	What's wrong with just saying "this is a movie.  people watch them.
they are visual motion interpretations of stories.  Some of the stories are
true, and some are not.  This is why the person wrote the story..." and so on.

>3) What makes "real" movie passion so much worse than "fake" movie 
>   violence? Explain the difference to children all you want,
>   I've never heard of a child who wakes up screaming for a week
>   because they saw people necking in a movie.

	No.  Usually they go "yuck.  Mush" and ignore the scene.  By the time 
they actually are interested, it's time you did some talking to them anyway.

>4) I don't consider "Deep Throat," "Terminator 2," or "Henry and June"
>   proper children's fare anyway.
	
	None are as bad as, say, Happy Days reruns, Game Shows, Soap Operas,
modern cartoons, or ANY show intended for little kid.  The reason for the last
one, besides usually insulting the kid's intelligence, is the fact that kids
are amazingly prone to advertising and will get all the commercialism ingrained
into them so deeply that they will not be able to get it out, and will take it
in such wonderful stride that they will eat out of the commercialists hands for
the rest of their lives.

>5) You can show YOUR kids "Faces of Death III," or forbid them from seeing
>   "Beauty and the Beast" because of the kissing scene if you want to, as long
>   as it doesn't prohibit me from seeing what I feel is best for 
>   myself. To bring it back to gaming, the problem with labelling is tha
>   if, for instance, we labelled role-playing games, many games this side
>   of Toon would get an "R," and how would you like to have your local
>   games-dealer arrested for selling Twilight2000 to a sixteen year old?
>   Or, for a less extreme example, a prinicpal deciding to suspend anyone
>   caught playing an "R" rated game on the school grounds?
	
	1) I think you were taking the other poster's words to an extreme
they did not have.  The extreme they had was entirely different.

	2) Raising kids is the parents' job, not the governments.

	3) last half: full agreement.  It's bad enough that some schools
ban the playing of games on school grounds at all.  To give the rest added
incentive would be folding.  If the fundies don't like gaming, they can fuck 
off.  It's not their game or any of their business.  Before someone flames me
for cursing: do not bother.  i speak modern english.  the words had the desired
force.  everyone understood them.  if you do happen to flame me for cursing,
you will go straight to the kill file and I will miss anything you may have to
say of moderate usefulness in the future.  Small price to pay to avoid 
hearing from assholes.
>
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