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From: ldt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: A waste of breath
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:05:27 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Thus spake bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matty N. Sharp):
>Point One:
>	[Bla bla spew vomit hurl]
>	the geeks that post to this group.  Samples are not
>	restricted to the vocal clip soundbites which you seem
>	to hold them as being synonymous with.  Most drum sounds,
>	and other instrumental noises you hear on the average
>	buttgeek Skinny Puppy or Ministry record are samples.

Thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious.  Next time, try to tell
us something we don't know.  I gather you just found this fact out
yourself and therefore thought we would be impressed or give a fuck.

>       if I had the 
>	time I would post a comprehensive list of "samples" to
>	any record by one of these "music" groups, howevere I do not,
>	and furthermore, the very concept of having to listen to
>	the trash again nauseates me greatly.

Go ahead, Matty boy, make that list.  It would be a much better use of
your time and ours than your utterings on this net.  Oh, and don't
worry about posting it when your done, just start in on another album...

>If you mean "snagged vocal clip'art'" say something other than
>"sample", as "sample" is too vague a term to define what you are
>babbling about.

This is only true for people who are too cognitively impaired to
interpret words in context and can only comprehend the most general
meaning of a term - or people who have a five-year-old's understanding
of music technology.

>I give "industrial" "music" two more years to die out completely,
>only to be replaced by some other moronic genre of Angry Young Man
>music that white suburban/subhuman geeks will buy, desparately
>grasping for some form of "expression" to identify with, unable
>to understand anything outside the realm of popculture.

(sounds of loud, cliche-induced snoring)

>I have a friend in the business who holds this same view.
>Be advised: if you wish to make money from the "industrial"
>"movement", do it now, or be forever banished to play what will
>be considered shortly, if it isn't now, passe.
>
>And isn't that what it all boils down to, anyway?

You have a friend?  Now *that's* news.

Some of us care about things besides money or the number of
accounts/amount of disk space you have access to.  Some of us actually
care about music.  Some of us are capable of coherent thought and
civil behavior.

>Love,
>Matthew
>-- 
>Matthew Neill Sharp
>bp271@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu

I love you too, Matthew.

Hugs and kisses,

The Walrus.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Barfvernugen - The joy of driving the porcelain bus.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: smbelcas@med.umich.edu (Sarah Marie Belcastro)
Subject: question?
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:36:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Originator: smbelcas@jameson.math.lsa.umich.edu


hello, sorry if this question is out of line (i only got net access recently)--

i was at an industrial night at a local club and heard a skinny-pupppy-like
song, so asked the dj who/what it was... he said it was called "strap me down"
by a group called something like "leatherstrip"?  

anyone heard of this, know what i'm talking about, can tell me who the group
really is or _anything_?


					--sarah marie.
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From: moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ministry and the Butthole Surfers
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:30:12 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:

> In article <1ey0NB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us wri
> >bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
> >
> >> In article <7836@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> smithmc@maxwell.physics.purdue.
> >> >
> >> >	I have yet to figure out where the Hell he got the idea for
> >> >"TV Song." Maybe he was sitting in his store bored one day and he looked
> >> >out his window and saw the bum that hangs out in a nearby alley. That bum
> >> >screams weird stuff too.
> >>
> >>     "TV Song" is an outright COPY of the Butthole Surfers' "The Shah Sleep
> >>    in Lee Harvey Oswald's Grave" (one of the Surfer's FIRST songs on
> >>    Alternative Tentacles).
> >>
> >>                                                             K!z!K
> >
> >only in the sence that the two have very fast drums.
> 
>   ...and that both feature in between silly rantings and other wierdness
>    in between enough to justify my point a bit more.
> 
>                                                             K!z!K
> 


point taken.


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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Moshing
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:41:11 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1992Jul27.185816.29223@athena.cs.uga.edu> vacek@athena.cs.uga.edu (George Vacek) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164236.25868@beach.csulb.edu> douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette) writes:
>>  One thing I've noticed is that when people start moshing, by and large, they
>>all move in a counter-clockwise direction. What I was wondering, do people in
>>the Sounthern Hemisphere mosh in a clockwise direction? :-)
>
>I'm not sure if you should direct the question across the equator, so much as
>across the atlantic.  In most social/crowd situations, as I've grown up, I've

  The reason I directed it across the equator is because of the Coreolis
effect (I think that's what it's called). Like water running down a drain in
the Northern Hemisphere is CCW and in the Southern Hemisphere it's CW. It was
just kind of an interesting phenomenon and I was just wondering....

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From: luke@ksgbbs.harvard.edu (Luke Sheridan 364-2960)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Sleep Chamber
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:24:06 GMT
Organization: Kennedy School of Government, Harvard, Cambridge

Matt,

	SC has slipped so far from what they used to be it's truly scary.
The old shows used to be quite energy/sexually charged/dripping shows that
stretched peoples minds...  They played a show at the old Lizard Lounge that
was something out of a neo futuristic bacchan revel.  Now they're old, 
reveling in old glory and going nowhere.  They survive because people who
never saw them go to see them 'cause they've heard such wild stories about
what the shows were like...  Skip 'em at all costs, unless the bar is going
to be giving away the beer.

	The only really good industrial band I've seen lately is Big 
Catholic Guilt, there are a few more but my brain has slipped.  There's a
good threesome two female, on male thing that was hip but I forget who
they were.  ManRay in Cambridge has good shows if you can get past the
'image is everything' attitude that drips from the place.  Check out any
list of shows for them or Axis or such.

"Everybody loves a mystery"					- Wire
"Everybody loves me, everyone but you."				- J. Hatfield
"Any of this making it through that skull of yours boy?"	- F. Leghorn

	Boon Sheridan - Stand Up Philosopher, Bass advocate
	"One more pint can't really hurt..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:55:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.154659.1257@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what YOU
>want to hear and what YOU like.
>
>Give a band a chance to explore other ways of doing things. There can only
>be improvement with change.
>




I can only agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!

HaoN 


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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Samples, Semantics, Death of "Industrial" "Music"
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:19:57 GMT

Industrial music will die in two years?
Relevant soundbite:

"Kill the bastard."
"Nobody knows who he is."

Why don't you just unsubscribe your sorry ass from this group, if all you're
going to do is complain about this kind of crap?  Try rec.po'd.flame or some
other nonexistent group.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
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|				| spring our fond hopes and pure desires... |
| mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu	| except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: a bad (dumb) joke
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:24:13 GMT

moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us writes:

>Q: What's the difference between a retired prostitute and a rave?

>A: disco *still* sucks.

Only if you're a closed minded weenie who throbs around in his black leather
telling the world how much you hate it.  Yes, I can listen to everything
between Swamp Terrorists and KC & The Sunshine Band and appreciate it or
criticize it.

The thing is, -I- used to be like you.  Once upon a time, I believed
everything with a synthesizer was invalid and the only *real man* way to play
music was with analog instruments.  Then I opened my eyes a little and
listened to more.  When I started listening to dance industrial, I had a hard
time with the disco diva stuff, writing it all off as garbage.  Then
gradually, it started to seep its way into my collection along with a hell of
a lot more house music.  I used to hate rap in the same way, but one day I
found myself screaming my lungs out at a Public Enemy concert.

So now I just can't find a genre to hate.  I really don't go for country much,
but if you play some Chickasaw Mud Puppies I'm liable to start jumping.  I
used to be bored by Opera and Ballet, but back then I was 13 and didn't
understand a hell of a lot about passion.

One of my best friends is a DJ who plays the hardest dance industrial in town
and has been doing it for the past five years.  He turned me on to Rozella.

Open your damn eyes.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rap,alt.thrash
From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Police seek to Ban Ice-T Performing In New Zealand
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:01:24 EDT

In article <12350@operator> oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:

>[Much about complaints of Body Count's song "Cop Killer" deleted]
>
>It's too bad that he doesn't know enough to realize that this is the logo
>of Public Enemy and not Ice-T. And it's also too bad that the media
>is ignorant to the fact that "Cop Killer" is by a band called Body Count
>and not just by Ice-T (although he is in the band). And that it's not a
>rap song as is being reported world wide but a thrash/hardcore/whatever
>song. When the media begins to report on something you know something
>about you begin to realize how misconstrued everything else they report
>on must be. 

	It's bad, it really is. As a member of the media, I am
	embarrassed and ashamed when reporters can't get basic
	facts right, or learn enough about Ice-T / Body Count
	to know what the hell they're talking about.

	Once I get a job at a newspaper, this shit won't happen
	anymore...:-)

	Darin Powell


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
From: fuller@andy.bgsu.edu (A.J. Fuller)
Subject: Ministry N.W.O. question...
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:15:23 GMT


Here's a question for the "where did this sample come from" experts out
there...

I have been listening to a promo CD single for _N.W.O._ from the new
Ministry album, and I could swear that in among the wall of guitars
and other noise, is a processed (read: distorted) sample of Peter
Gabriel yelling "exposure" taken from his 1978 solo album.

Anybody else hear something like this, or is it really a sample of
Al [tm] screaming "hoser"?

fuller@enigma.bgsu.edu
From: ken@gunshy.ocunix.on.ca (Ken Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Distribution: world
Subject: RE: INDUSTRIAL ARTZ
Organization: OTI Ottawa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:21:31 EST


In article <92072218505@zone4.ocunix.on.ca>
andrew@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Andrew Low) writes:

>
> In article <2355.928.uupcb@bville.gts.org> John Walter  writes:
> >    Well I would like to hear a review of Industrial Artz CD.  I have
> >heard "MOVE TO THE GROOVE" and "POWER TRIP", but I would like to hear
> >some more, or hear some good comparitive reviews before I rush out and
> >buy the CD...
>
> I've a friend who lent me the album, so I can post a semi-review for you.
>

Man, ya beat me to it.  I think it's great.  Andrew's forced to listen to it every
time he comes by my office door.  I think I'll look for more...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: jlhui@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Victor Hui)
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:41:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.133302.15649@newshost.unh.edu> sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny) writes:
>I just heard a song called (I think) "Girls on Broadway" by
>T.D.
>They played it on National Public Radio. I've got everything
>up to 'Lily On the Beach', but have obviously missed something.
>What album is this on??
>
>sjk@kepler.unh.edu

It's the last song on their latest ROCKOON album which is released
months ago. 

Victor Hui
jlhui@violet.waterloo.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Victoria Williams (was Re: Pity the opening band) 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.175539.16025@ms.uky.edu> brian@nx25.mik.uky.edu (Brian hoffman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.053025.4090@chinet.chi.il.us>  
>katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
>> At least they weren't booed off the stage, the way Victoria Williams
>> was at a Richard Thompson concert. I found out about that from the
>> net and the thought still haunts me.
>> 
>> Vickie
>  The same thing happened to her when she opened for the Femmes here in  
>Lexington.  I felt kinda bad for her but I wasn't all that impressed with  
>her myself (no offence, that's just my impression from seeing her live).

Well, I like Victoria's music.  But, to be fair, she *does* sound like
Olive Oyl.  I still find it worthwhile to look past the voice and to 
listen to the wonderful songs.  

By the way, does anyone have any news as to how Victoria is doing.  I
heard a disturbing rumor that she had contracted M.S. and that she
was without medical insurance.  Supposedly a benefit concert in 
L.A. (with T-Bone Burnett, Sam Phillips et. al.) was in the works.
Has anyone heard any more about this?

>-Brian

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
From: justin@galaxia.network23.com (Justin Brierley)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:10:37 GMT

In article <schnitzi.711813957@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>
>Red Hots mention: Men at Work and Duran Duran (negatively,
>in "Nevermind"), Firehose, the Meters.

You forgot Fishbone, which is also in the same song that mentions fIREHOSE.
(by the way, they always do their logo like that.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: karl@hpcts.corp.hp.com (Karl Schricker)
Subject: Cruel Shoes/John Palumbo
Organization: HP Corporate Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:23:45 GMT

Having heard a song on the radio the other day that sounded remarkably
like Steely Dan, I just had to try this disc by "Cruel Shoes" to hear
more.  I was quite surprised to open the booklet, and find John Palumbo's
name in the list of musicians.

Turns out, the rest of the disc does sound somewhat like The Dan,
production-wise anyway.  Unfortunately, the writing doesn't compare,
but then, whose does?

So to any east-coasters (Baltimore particularly) out there, does this
mean Palumbo's finally giving up on his previous group, "Crack The Sky"?


Karl
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:21:31 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <22JUL92.22324928@skyfox.usask.ca> huangk@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>Let's not forget Paula Abdul's song about her favorite power trio: 
|
|			"Rush, Rush"

Actually this was a love song written for and about Rush Limbaugh.

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| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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Xref: sparky rec.music.misc:20696 alt.rock-n-roll:14282 alt.music.alternative:8358
From: denelsbe@washington.cs.unc.edu (Kevbo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:19:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <3578@keele.keele.ac.uk> csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir) writes:
>I think "Angel of Harlem" by U2 probably beats most songs hands down for
>the MOST references to other artists; can anyone do better?

Has anyone mentioned "Life Is A Rock (But The Radio Rolled Me)", by Reunion?
That HAS to be the winner.  My apologies if I'm being redundant.

Kevin

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From: uswoodall@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: What else is on RED Hot + Dance?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:34:46 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Does any one know what else is on the tape Red Hot + Dance besides the 
"Too Funky" by George Michael that may be worth listening to?  That may
cause one to actually buy the tape?

Jack Sprat
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Date: 25 Jul 1992 04:30:48 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu

How about "David Bowie" (music by Phish, words by the Dude of Life) --

here are the complete lyrics:

David Bowie (repeat)
UB40 (repeat)

but on 9/26/91 (I think), there was an additional lyric:
Dr Suess...

Shelly
From: rutten@cwi.nl (Rutten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: David Cunningham album feat. Robert FRIPP
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:31:46 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

I just bought an album of David Cunningham titled "Water" on the
Made To Measure collection of the Belgian label Crammed Discs.
It is all VERY ambient, extremely ambient, and beautiful at times,
if you like this kind of stuff ...

And, it features Robert Fripp on Guitar on one track, which he co-signs too;
he contributes a few notes.

By the way, is there any news about what Fripp does these times? about what he did
with David Sylvian? about what King Crimson is supposed to become this time?

Eric


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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:22:09 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

glaurent@wombat.inria.fr (Guillaume Laurent) writes:


>The Police mentions Ottis Redding in "When the world is goind down you make the
>best of what's still around" (Zenyatta Mondatta).

actually i thought they mentioned James Brown.  maybe my ears are bad, i don't
know.  

jay
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the students from just trying to yodel
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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: splunge@athena.mit.edu (Nigel from Hell)
Subject: Re: Paul Weller in T.O.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:09:53 GMT


I will be posting a review of the Weller concert in NY
tomorrow or the day after but to answer Bob Gaj (who was
there and should know :):

>NO jam material was played

Wrong!  He played "Man in the Corner Shop"

And go see him all youse out in California!  He was
out of this world (but for those of you who missed
or will miss him, I swear it won't be another 10+
years - he told me HIMSELF that he will be back in
the States in late October or early November, with
his album being released the first week in October
on Go! Discs/Polygram USA).  And he'll even play 
Boston this time (YAY!).

nigel from hell
la la la la la, la la la la la - the Jam

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: tom@scotty.cs.clemson.edu (Tom Murray)
Subject: Purple Rain
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:06:19 GMT

Group: America
Song: "Ventura Highway"
Phrase: "...Sorry boys, but I've been hit by purple rain..."
					     ^^^^^^^^^^^
What does this mean?  "Purple rain" is not in my dictionary.

Oh yeah, credit to Prince, who also did some "Purple Rain" stuff; I don't
know what he means by it, either.

Replies to tom@cs.clemson.edu, please.

-Tom Murray
Tom Murray
Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial