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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:00:00 EST
From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      picts no-go in my PM 4.2

I use drawing program on my mac called UltraPaint -- it's made by Deneba.

It is a combo paint/draw package and I make files for PM import use.

Previously, before I upgraded to Mac PM 4.2, I would take UltraPaint files and
save as in the .PICT format -- can't do eps in UltraPaint.  They always came in
fine.  (I also know that the native format of UltraPaint is NOT readable by
PM.)

Since I upgraded to Mac PM 4.2, they come in okay, but the files DO NOT print.

The minute I drag the PICT graphic on to the pasteboard it prints.  Put it back
on the page, it doesn't go.

Am I missing something in the import filter options?  Does PM 4.2 not recognize
PICT as a graphic format int he mac world?

Does anyone else like/use UltraPaint?

Thanks in advance

cindy stone

stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:07:27 PDT
From:         Jerry Tangren <FACCOVEY@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freehand
              22 Jul 1992 21:39:20 MDT from <vchan@ERSYS.EDMONTON.AB.CA>

There is a book,

   Freehand for Real

which goes into some length on writing psotscript code for custom fills
in Freehand. I don't have the book in front of me so I can't give
any more details (Mac only?, author?, etc.) but it is a companion to
Pagemaker for Real and might have the same author.
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Ok, I'll give it a try in the next month's publication. I'll let you
know how it turns out. Thanks!!!


Jim Charles
Computer Data Systems Inc.
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Crane, Indiana
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:29:59 EDT
From:         KMM09@ALBNYDH2.BITNET
Subject:      PM printer prob on 14" paper

We've had the same problem on our LWIINTX. The solution:
Choose LEGAL before you choose MANUAL in the print dialogue box. Sounds stupid,
 but it works here.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:36:35 EDT
From:         Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      That Old Printer
              23 Jul 1992 10:12:00 PDT from <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST. EDU>

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:12:00 PDT Monte B. Olsen said:
>Laura,
>I love it when you ask questions. You're so nice about it! I agree with

Uh, oh! Monte,

Now you've done it - you've appealed to my sense of vanity.  Now I'll
"really" start to fire away (just kidding ;)  )

>Jonathon
>on the IINTR by Apple. You might also check MacWeek. Beware of some of the
>companies in there that advertise cheap postscript printers. Their support
>stinks as some on this SIG have commented.
>
>Take it easy,
>
>Monte

I've requested literature from Apple, NEC, my old vendor for info. on the
HP IIIsi as Henry suggested, and some others.  Thanks to all, this office
will be in the modern age yet!

Laura
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:28:00 GMT
From:         Ellen Lorang <0005403596@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      The Best Postscript Printer
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Laura asks --

Oh happy day!  I got the official "OK" this afternoon.  The dept. is
splurging and will purchase a postscript printer and put my laserjet (the
postscript wannabe) out to pasture.

"So tell us" - they said, "What's the best product, in terms of price,
performance, etc.  Gulp! - and a blank stare was all I could muster.

So of course, I've decided to refer this question to my favorite panel
of experts.  (Yes, I promise - once I become a more proficient DTPer,
I'll do more giving and less asking).

------
A year later, I'm still in love with my NEC Silentwriter 2 Model 90,
which has since been replaced by the Model 95, better and cheaper.
Advantages: blackest of blacks, and terrific paper handling for
heavy stock. Universal paper tray is convenient, too. I have the
rear-output tray. Envelopes wrinkle but they may have fixed that
in the Model 95, which has an optional envelope tray, I believe.
Disadvantages: toner is expensive (approx. $180), BUT lasts an
amazing 6,000 or more pages. And oh, those blacks!

Details: 6 ppm, automatic switching between macs & pcs,
large footprint. Around $1500 I think.

Ellen Lorang
elorang@MCImail.com
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:57:12 EST
From:         John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PM printing woes -> Tektronics
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Greetings... one of our lab supervisors is having a problem printing from
PM.  The problem seems to occur in both PM 4.01 and 4.2 (both Mac
versions).
Briefly, the problem involves elements which do not print (yes, I have
asked a question something like this before).

When printed, the document will frequently miss printing several elements
on the page, although they apeear on the screen.  The mixture of graphic
elements and text stories is fairly even.
The problem is *NOT* due to a screen saver (all of these have been
trashed), nor is it rectified by shuffling elements around/deleting them
etc. etc. (all the usual tricks).

We are trying to print to a Tektronics Phaser IIIPXI (color PostScript
printer).  Virtually identical problems will also occur on a IINTX,
although all the documents will print just fine on a Personal LW NT (the
PostScript one), so it is not just something to do with PostScript.
The Tektronics drivers are not APDs so we are holding down the option key
while printing.... er, well one of us is.

In addition, a scanned document shaded in one color (e.g. purple) and
placed into a PM document will not print properly on the Tektronics -- the
printer ticks away for about 45 mins and then prints a B&W version on top
of the color one.

Any tips?  Specifically, is there anyone using a Tektronics printer with
PM?
Thanks muchly.
Justin Ridge.

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my problem with missing elements in a B&W prinout was due to too
          little memeory in a Personal LaserWriter NT. This
          generated a PS error that appeared on my screen. It was
          as if the printer picked and chose what it could print. You
          don't mention how much memory, but I assume a color PS
          printer would have (technical jargon ) a whole bunch.

          john@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu
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From:         John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re[2]: Freehand
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There is a book,

   Freehand for Real

which goes into some length on writing psotscript code for custom fills
in Freehand. I don't have the book in front of me so I can't give
any more details (Mac only?, author?, etc.) but it is a companion to
Pagemaker for Real and might have the same author.

Isn't the bookcalled
          "Real World Freehand/PM" by Olav Kvern?
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:51:00 EST
From:         "LaVerne J. Brizes, (216) 397-4261" <BRIZES@JCVAXA.BITNET>
Subject:      HELP

I've been on this list for quite some time now and have received loads
of good info and help but I've never added my two cents, so to speak.

Someone sent info on a book that was very helpful - so I called for the
book (Peter Fink Communications Inc. in Washington D.C.) and they are
mailing it to me as long as I send in $10.00.  That's fine, but since I
received the information on this list, I deleted all my messages and for
the life of me can't remember the name of the book.  Can anyone help?

Thanks for all the great ideas you people share on this list.  You've
helped more than you can imagine.

It's cloudy in Cleveland (what else is new these days) hope the sun is
shining wherever you happen to be.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:19:59 EDT
From:         Hades <hades@COOS.DARTMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Best Postscript Printer
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-- Laura Milera writes --
>
> Oh happy day!  I got the official "OK" this afternoon.  The dept. is
> splurging and will purchase a postscript printer and put my laserjet (the
> postscript wannabe) out to pasture.

    Well, unless you happen to have one of the LaserJet IIIs that have
postscript capability without the need for a cartridge. Although I don't
really recommend it. The only laser printer that HP does that, IMHO, can
compete with some of the better laser printers on the market is the LJ
IIIsi. The problem is that it is overpriced unless you need SERIOUS
paper output.

> "So tell us" - they said, "What's the best product, in terms of price,
> performance, etc.  Gulp! - and a blank stare was all I could muster.
>
> So of course, I've decided to refer this question to my favorite panel
> of experts.  (Yes, I promise - once I become a more proficient DTPer,
> I'll do more giving and less asking).

    The best thing for you to do if you really want sound advice is to
let us know what kinds of things you want in a printer. Price, DPI, duty
cycle, ppm, emulation, laguages, fonts. There are many things that go
into the purchace of a printer. Sometimes it is a simple choice and
sometimes it is not so simple. The more information you can provide the
better we will be able to help.

--
				"Awfully decent of you" - Drip-along Daffy
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:47:38 +0100
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      Dingbats
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I've lost the original message but Aldus did ship the Dingbats
and Chancery screen fonts (.FON variety) with various versions of
PageMaker. These should still work fine for those not using ATM.

And, as screen fonts are distributable, maybe we could get them
via Sumex or Simtel 20?

Henry
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:13:04 EST
From:         Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: TOC
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I guess I'll do it the old fashion way because the paragraph titles I
chose didn't match what I wanted. Thanks for the help!


Jim Charles
Computer Data Systems Inc.
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Crane, Indiana
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:17:33 -0400
From:         "Jeffrey L. Needleman" <JNeedleman@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      PPD warning dialog box (A)
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Elizabeth Dissin asks:

>My problem is this: (Mac PageMaker 4.02)
>Every time I choose the Print command, I get a warning box about not having
>the PPDs installed or some such. I say OK & then choose the one I want from
>the pop-up list in the Print dialog box.
>
>I vaguely remember a README file saying this would happen the first time
>one used PM after switching from APDs to PPDs, but it's annoying that it
>happens EVERY time.

Your original printer choice was saved with your original documents, so the
references to the printer .apd are in your old documents themselves. Try
this. Start a new document (command-N) and, before typing anything into it,
go to the Print option under File. Your proper printer choice should show
in that pop-up list; if it doesn't, your preferences file may be
corrupt--toss it out and let PM reconstruct it. But if the proper printer
choice does appear, your problem is only with older documents.

If you're using stationery documents or templates, open them up, choose the
right printer, and then resave. Once you get the basic documents that you
use changed to the right printer, the problem won't be bothersome the few
times it occurs.

Jeff Needleman  <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:14:47 +1000
From:         Justin Ridge <justin@TASMAN.CC.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject:      PM printing woes -> Tektronics

Greetings... one of our lab supervisors is having a problem printing from
PM.  The problem seems to occur in both PM 4.01 and 4.2 (both Mac
versions).
Briefly, the problem involves elements which do not print (yes, I have
asked a question something like this before).

When printed, the document will frequently miss printing several elements
on the page, although they apeear on the screen.  The mixture of graphic
elements and text stories is fairly even.
The problem is *NOT* due to a screen saver (all of these have been
trashed), nor is it rectified by shuffling elements around/deleting them
etc. etc. (all the usual tricks).

We are trying to print to a Tektronics Phaser IIIPXI (color PostScript
printer).  Virtually identical problems will also occur on a IINTX,
although all the documents will print just fine on a Personal LW NT (the
PostScript one), so it is not just something to do with PostScript.
The Tektronics drivers are not APDs so we are holding down the option key
while printing.... er, well one of us is.

In addition, a scanned document shaded in one color (e.g. purple) and
placed into a PM document will not print properly on the Tektronics -- the
printer ticks away for about 45 mins and then prints a B&W version on top
of the color one.

Any tips?  Specifically, is there anyone using a Tektronics printer with
PM?
Thanks muchly.
Justin Ridge.

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From:         seth tepfer <labst@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      italics in **quark**
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Yes, I know this list is concerned with Pagemaker, but I have a friend who is
using the baneful, horrific quark express.

He is usin g quark express 3.1 on a mac II, 5mb, system 6.07, leserwriter IINT
(system 7.0 drivers). when he prints symbol font it does NOT come out
italicized (sp?). it shows on the screen in italics, but not on the paper.
what gives? there was no problem with this in quark 3.0.

thanks for any help
and micheal thanks you too - labmg@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu

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From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
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Subject: Freehand
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:39:20 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I'm sorry if this might not be the group to ask this to (I don't know to 
which other one) but does anyone know of a good source, be it magazine or 
book, of postscript code that I might be able to use in the custom fill 
of Aldus Freehand 3.0 (under windows)?  Thanks in advance.  I humbly 
await replies.

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From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Freehand
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:36:29 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Thanks to John and Monte for the info.  I'll check out the tile in a 
specialty bookstore.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:45:33 EDT
From:         Rosemary=Hallberg%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      re: picts no-go in my PM 4.2

Cindy,

I'm certainly no expert at this, but I've had similar experiences with
Pagemaker and printing.  I've never used the program you have (I have an IBM),
but I have brought in graphs and had problems printing them.  If you are able
to place the drawings on your page, I'd say that you aren't having a filter
problem.  It sounds more like a memory problem, especially if you are able to
print them from the pasteboard.  Check to see if 4.2 takes up more memory than
4.0, or if you have loaded any memory-hogging programs since you got 4.2.  Can
you place your graphic as a PCX file?

Hope this helps, but then, I'm not an expert.

Rosemary Hallberg
Human Services Lab
UNC Chapel Hill
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:19:00 EST
From:         Jim Kelly <KELLY@UTKVX.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      printing problem
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We have an intermittent and maddening printing problem; perhaps someone can
suggest insights or profitable routes of inquiry. We have 12 people on a
Macintosh-using publications group whose primary program is PageMaker 4.2. We
use a Novell server, which we share with a group of IBM PC users. We have a
FastPath router, which gives access to the campus ethernet, the library,
Internet, etc. We share two Laserwriter NTX's and an old Plus. We use
Appletalk/Localtalk, not Ethernet for the internal network, file transfers,
printer access. Still on System 6.0.8.

This arrangement has been quite successful until recently. But now we have
these problems:
- PM files which formerly printed quickly and accurately now SOMETIMES won't
print at all, will print three columns on each page but not the fourth, will
print the first four pages but output only blank pages thereafter.
- Printing difficulties occur only in PM, not in FreeHand or other programs.
- These problems will strike one user one day, a different user the next,
several users the day after. No one has discerned a pattern so far.
- There is erratic slowness in other programs as well. For instance, while
typing this in MS Word, I've had to wait several times for it to catch up to my
keystrokes.

Several things have changed recently in our setup: PM 4.2, an upgrade to the
router's ROM, new Novell software (3.1 I think). But reexamining these things
have not been fruitful.

We have checked for viruses, removed non-standard INIT's, reinstalled system
and application sofware, shut down users, to no effect. Our computer support
staff have checked the flow of data on the network, disconnected us from the
Novell server, etc. No solution or explanation so far. The problem remains
intermittent and unpredictable.

We wonder if the PM 4.2's new PPD files are expecting something not found in
our invironment. But what?

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:44:29 EDT
From:         Elizabeth Dissin <ANSY@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      PPD warning dialog box

Hello All!
Please forgive me if the following is not as clear as it could be--I don't
have the PageMaker program available to me at the moment to get the
dialog verbatim...

My problem is this: (Mac PageMaker 4.02)
Every time I choose the Print command, I get a warning box about not having
the PPDs installed or some such. I say OK & then choose the one I want from
the pop-up list in the Print dialog box.

I vaguely remember a README file saying this would happen the first time
one used PM after switching from APDs to PPDs, but it's annoying that it
happens EVERY time.

Any ideas? Could it be because I'm on a network with lots of different
printer choices?

Thanks!
Elizabeth Dissin
ansy@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu

ps. My email account (& my job) closes on July 29th, so responses before
that date would be much appreciated...

pps. What's all this about rooster blood? I must have missed the original
message. Anyone have an extra copy saved??
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:35:36 CDT
From:         Reverend John <UC521832@MIZZOU1.BITNET>

With the Crop tool in PageMaker, you can crop a graphic. But it doesn't
really crop it; the rest of the image is still there.

It's a useful feature, but what if I really DO want to get rid of what's
cropped? To save disk space, etc... is there some trick? Or does it
just amount to cropping it just right in the graphics package before
importing it? (I know that can be done, of course, but I'm curious if
there is a way in PM to do it..)

Rev
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