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Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:39:04 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) wrote...
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>>Clive burbles..
>
>>Well, I know some of what/whom and even, later, with what you were doing..
>
>>Tanaqui, winking at Iseult in party-provocative mode    
>
>I think I already prostituted myself transatlantically to get the dish
>on the sinbin episode.  All the same I am just melting at that wink ....
>
>I plan on getting my hands on cutie-pie Ellen and her photographs, so 
>I expect I will hear all the sticky, sweaty secrets.

Oh Dear.  I will be seeing Iseult tomorrow.  I'm not sure if I can
hold out against her firm but insistant "questioning." I suppose I
can try to stay out of range since she is not entirely mobile, but I'm 
afraid that she will find a way to lure me closer so she can have
her way with me.  Apologies in advance.

Ellen
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Jul28.044631.398@koko.csustan.edu> (soc.bi), dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
> 
> In article <24184@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> 
> >*Why* do you think I'm going to Escondido??  Why do people seem to think
> >I don't know what I'm doing?  Yes, I have friends in Escondido.  (Hi Chris)
> 
> 	Perhaps aonference or seminanar came to mind when I last wrote.  

Chris is now convinced that you have never been to Escondido.  The only
type of gatherings we have here are agricultural or mercentile.  :-)
> 
> Djelrik
> 

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ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Looking for excuses (was Re: Hello Panda)
Summary: 4000 miles and increasing....
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:34:30 GMT

In article <memo.531497@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
|(It's a Sunday afernoon, I'm sitting at home in Bath writing -- missing 
|the Edinburgh crowd terribly, oh ANY excuse to go back up there... d'you 
|hear me? any excuse!)

   *sigh.  Tell me about it.  At least you're on the same landmass, instead
of being in transit to the opposite edge of a distant continent.
                 __
   david parsons \/ "but december is only 4 months away..."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:59:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.114122.10322@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.102154.4791@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>
>>Maybe it shouldn't be surprising when Steve Dyer says that most of the
>>bis he knows seem to have regular MOTOS partners.  It seems reasonable
>>to guess that the distribution of sexual orientation should be
>>largest at the low end of the Kinsey scale...
>>
>
>There may be some truth to this, but I also would suspect selection effects.
>
>If I was bi in a motss relationship, I might think twice before coming out
>to, say, Steve as bi.  There are also invisible bis in straight circles
>but I would imagine among Steve's crowd that the motos bis stick out and
>the motss bis blend into the background.

Good point.  There may also be a skewed distribution of
self-identifications due to social constraints, since there is still a
lot of pressure to pick either one end of the Kinsey scale or the
other.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Don't worry, honey, 
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| our skirts are clean."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Coming Out
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:40:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.192709.77946@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pw04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL E. WINTERS) writes:
>I tried this yesterday, but it didn't seem to work, so I'm trying again.
>Hello everybody on this group.  I am a 33 year old, gay-identified bisexual
>man.  I just came out last October, and I have been reading this group in
>order to learn more about my new identity for quite a while.  I am just ending
>a 7 year heterosexual relationship (I hope without much acrimony).  I wear a
>pink triangle pin on campus, but I felt the need of a more public sort of
>coming out, and I hope that this group will indulge me.

Well! Welcome muchly! Be a victim of an androtikolobomasophile! (i.e.
someone who likes to nibble on a man's earlobe) And have an ordinary
extra-ordinary *hug* as well!

>  This choice hasn't
>been easy, especially given what I have had to give up, but, all in all, I am
>not sorry that I have done it, and I am happier with my new identity than I
>ever thought I could be.  Thank you for indulging me.   Peace, Paul.

I think that you can feel very much at home here! Now where is that
welcome wagon?? Aha! I hear it coming!
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:39:49 GMT

In article <gePjdGe00VAtAWJVtd@andrew.cmu.edu> "Sherrianne M. Johnson" <sj1s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I also empathize with this feeling of rejection from the "women's camp".
> However, I have had a hard time placing, exactly, which camp the
>rejections come from.  I have been criticized by a gay male for having
>an inflammatory .sig ("Being bi means having the possibility of loving
>anyone"--Me), since I was obviously flaunting bisexual superiority.  Not
>my intent, but the hostility was there.

If you're talking about David Woolwine on the GayNet mailing list, the
egg's on your face.  He's bi.  :-)

>I have been rejected by some
>lesbians I know as almost not real...like bisexuals were not real
>creatures at all, but just some fragmented confused creatures.  (Ha!) 
>Obviously I have been rejected by heterosexuals, although straights seem
>to be pretty accepting of female bi's, anyway...

Do you really think so?  Having seen how straight men deal with female
bisexuality and lesbianism, I imagine that were I a bi woman, their
actions would drive me further and further from relationships with
men.  It seems to me that heterosexual men consider bi women even more
sexually targettable than they do heterosexual women.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:31:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.191850.14892@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) wrote: 
>->In article <1992Jul28.124808.17289@watson.ibm.com> jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>->This iz anothar isue thet seperates our comminuties.  The spelling priveledged
>->from the spellinng diverse.  

>"differently-spelt."

Lexicographically challenged?

-- 
jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu  -- Jeff Putnam, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
"The Government is not only contrary to law, but the character of its members
is very miscellaneous and it is to be assumed that it wont last long."
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:58:34 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>We need more floor shows...
>Don't we always? & people didn't take advantage of the one in Peter's room...
I can think of at least three different ways to interpret that sentence.

Ellen
From: orc@delta9.turing.ac.uk (david parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Party comments request...
Date: 17 Jul 92 01:02:56 GMT
Organization: Trainspotters-R-Us

In article <10071@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern) writes:
>ps Anyone going to claim responsibility for the bitemark on my shoulder?
> :)

   'Twasn't me, though I'm not at all in the dark about the corresponding
bruise on my right nipple....

                 __
   david parsons \/  "Now *that's character assassination"

PS: thanks for the handcuffs; they've come in handy...
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The Grinch Returns...
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:14:29 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Jul21.002203.21996@micor.ocunix.on.ca>
grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson) writes:

>How presumptuous of you...  Owen isn't exactly a common name, but I *do*
>happen to know more than one.  But, since you're already wound up... c(-8

Whoops! I appear to have trodden on someone's toes. I'm just extremely
accumstomed to being the only Owen around, so whenever someone says
something about "Owen" I assume it's about me.

Sorry about that, if I'd thought a bit longer I'd have been more sensistive.

Owen.

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:02:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.171413.2160@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>
>(quoted in a post dated Wed, 24 Jun 92 12:41:01 GMT)
>- - - - - - - - - -
> Ellen writes:
> >I obviously can't speak for anyone else but me, but is it possible
> >that some members of the lesgay community might perceive bi's a little
> >differently if bi's chose to not marry until it is ummmm, equally available?
> >Wonder. Wonder. Wonder.
>- - - - - - - - - -
>
>Ellen quoted her initial post above, and this 2nd post came after 
>many responses from bi married folk and others and should 
>very likely be read in this context.
>
>It sounds to me like Ellen was "playing devils advocate" more than
>telling married bis to take a walk.
>
> Albert Lunde

That's the quote.

But this is new ground and unstable footing for me.  We've recognized the
irony of feeling comfortable coming out to 20,000 strangers and not to friends
and family, and the stage I'm at now is getting ready to take that next step,
and shoring up my emotions for some losses that I expect ahead.

This is probably the most insecure time of my life, and it's getting more
so, not less.  The temptation to withdraw to a comfortable life of hiding
is incredibly strong, and I can't even understand where the energy to get
past that is coming from sometimes.  My anchors are in my marriage and the
ethereal support and empathy I feel coming from soc.bi.

Maybe I read Ellen's comment too strongly, but it is a time of high emotion
for me (does it show)?

There is a little voice that wants to be a big voice, and one life that is
dieing and being left behind, and another being born.  I may be inclined
to think that if an anchor shifts a bit that it is instead failing me.

There's a big, black door in front of me, and I don't know what's on the
other side.  I think what I'm saying is valid, but at the same time shows
how concerned I am that those anchors hold fast while I pass through.  It
amplifies every subtle danger, and makes me more sensitive than ever to
knowing who to count among my friend, and who to count among my enemies.

I've read about coming out, but it's like sex -- you never really know
until you feel it yourself.  You never really understand the complex and
powerful emotions, the fear and the anger.  I sense that there is a lot
of bad stuff coming up behind me, but I also sense that it might be this
that is pushing me forward through that black door, and that for now I
really need the anger as a shield against the fear.

Bear with me.


Brad

[ For Albert's information, in case he doesn't notice, this is being	]
[ re-crossposted, so that maybe the people on soc.motss can forgive me	]
[ in part for dumping all over them.					]
From: thom@crayfish.uucp (Thom Cleland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:39:53 GMT
Organization: Tenuous at best
NNTP-Posting-Host: crayfish.ucsd.edu

Hmm, looks like I missed something... is there some sort of
questionaire going around?  does it mean there's something
wrong with me if I feel like filling it out?  

Thom, quivering in the corner

-- 
Thom Cleland     \ /^^/  >Neural systems/network physiology< >Amigaphile<  
(619) 453-7516    \OO/  >Aoinagi Shito-ryu == bend, and the wind passes <
tcleland@ucsd.edu  ++  >B3 f cdv g++ k+(+) m s+ r+ p growl+ purr++ zzz- <
"Wild magic is graven in every rock, every tree, in every blade of grass"
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Edinburgh (was Re: Another newcomer...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:16:22 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <4865@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>In article <39975@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>>>I'm not at all convinced that there is a gay pub in Cambridge,
>>
>>There's at least one, I've been there.  It's a bit delapidated compared to
>>the Edinburgh scene, but it beats Edinburgh gay pubs by having a pool table :-)
>
>*WHERE*???  
>
"delapidated" and "gay pub" would tend to suggest the Burleigh Arms -- but
having a pool table is probably a good reason for staying away (-8


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sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        |              |"Here's a song to take with you:
and elsewhere, for a while....|              |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9720 soc.motss:32878
From: dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: New radio programme on World Service
Keywords: gosh
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:41:18 GMT
Reply-To: dente@man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

Well, my faith in the establishment and All Things British (tm) took a plunge
last night when listening to _Outlook_ on the BBC World Service
(not a thing I often do - but I was listening to Radio 4, that shut down,
and the World Service promptly started up on long wave). I heard someone
shouting "We may be treated as second class citizens, but we consider ourselves
FIRST CLASS QUEERS".  Yes - the Beeb were reporting on the march last weekend
on Downing Street, organised by Outrage, to mark the 25th anniversary of the
sexual offences act.  They then went on to have a (somewhat bland) interview
with Anthony Grey, one of the campaigners of 25 years ago.  I was pleasantly
surprised at how positive, and cordial, the presenter (a woman whose name
escapes me) was.  At the end of the interview, she announced that a new
series will be starting, entitled "The Gay and Lesbian World".  The first
programme will be broadcast this Friday at 07:30 GMT (that's 8:30am in the UK,
everyone else can do their own timezone corrections), and will look at "how
homosexuality is viewed by different cultures and religions".

According to the Radio Times, the World Service at that time in the morning
can be heard 6.195MHz or 3.955MHz short wave, or 648kHz medium wave.  Far
flung lands may have other frequencies.

This has been a public-service announcement, brought to you by Beeb-net,
the information-technology branch of the U.K. propaganda machine.

Colin

-- 
  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
   ... Blatantly Bisexual ...     | B3/4 f+ c g+(+) k(+) r s
From: kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Lehigh Valley
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:57:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi,sender
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

OH BOY!

OK, recently there have been 3 NEW de-muffiners from the Lehigh Valley, PA,
USA area (HI ALL!!!!!)

There were previously 2 others who I lost their e-mail addresses and all
other information about them when I changed rooms <pout> except that one
was Lewis, and the other...ummm, Ann Marie or Marie Ann??? (oh damn!  looks
like she will have to punish me for forgetting her name <grin>)

This is pretty bad considering that she came up with the idea of the
comment "I'm not confused, I'm GREEDY!" at the 
North East soc.bi Get Together last spring...


hmmmm...so everyone from that area...send me mail and let me know what is
happening...

*hugs to all*
kisses
massages
nibbles
licks
slurps U
       '


p.s. Paul, the signature is created by a file called .signature that is
located in YOUR home directory on unix based systems...Most news readers
will only include 4 lines from a .signature file, but I use a different way
of entering it, that is specific to this news reader (rn)...hope that
helps...

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|   Kevin Colagio         I happen to like    My other computer  |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
From: mb2p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Marco  Bertamini)
Subject: Re: differenze culturali
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:17:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.220433.22578@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pmiragli@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pierluigi Miraglia) writes:
>Come ho fatto a dimenticare i parties americani nell'elenco delle cause
>del male? Grazie Leonardo per avercene ricordato: si vede qui che voi
>al MIT siete diversi da noialtri.
>I parties hanno un effetto inconfondibile sulle migliori amicizie: le
>stroncano. Il party deve essere stato inventato da qualcuno che aveva
>in odio il genere umano. Questo genio malefico ha creato una situazione
>in cui ogni individuo appare a se stesso e agli altri nella peggior luce
>possibile; l'unica attivita' a un party che non conduca piu' o meno
>direttamente alla schizofrenia e' ubriacarsi senza ritegno. Per tale
>motivo i party accademici sono quelli piu' pietosi e insopportabili,
>perche' dopotutto nessuno vuole ridursi alla frutta di fronte al
>diretttore del dipartimento.
>E' ovvio che tutti "talk at someone" in un party, perche' che altro si
>puo' fare quando ti senti un perfetto cretino che stringe il suo
>bicchiere o lattina di birra come l'unica ancora di salvezza? Parli
>giusto per sentirti parlare - il silenzio tra 2 o 3 adulti in piedi
>ognuno con la sua brava lattina e' uno spettacolo penoso. Percio'
>si parla a perfetti sconosciuti di cazzate inimmaginabili, nella
>speranza che un'improvvisa, benvenuta necessita' fisiologica ti offra
>un pretesto per staccarti. Se si prova a parlare di cose serie, accade
>molto spesso cio' che Leonardo lamenta.
>[...]
>Insomma, se mai siete stati ad un party, state allegri: non siete voi
>ad essere cosi' sfigati, e' il meccanismo infernale del party stesso!
>
>Ciao
>Pierluigi Miraglia

Pierluigi GRAZIE. 
E io che pensavo di essere small-talk-impaired ! 
Invece e' tutta colpa del fenomeno party che tu hai descritto.
Forse allora dovrei smettere di cercare di interagire con
la gente. Ricordo uno dei primi giorni qui in America quando
parlando con alcuni amici chiesi se era concesso fare
discorsi seri. Mi hanno guardato come se avessi chiesto
di violentare la nonna dell'ospite!

Well, non si finisce mai di imparare nella vita.

Marco
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From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: More: ucciso Borsellino a Palermo
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:10:50 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: L'Universita' di Edimburgo

Michael Ladomery scrive:
> 
> In article <39493@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes:
[...]
> Se ammetti che non c'e' un fondamento scientifico, allora non e'
> legittimo usare il termine selezione naturale, che si riferisce ad
> un processo biologico.

Ehi, calma, questo e' SCI non un libro di biologia! La prossima cosa che
sentiremo e' che qualcuno prende sul serio quello che si scrive qui :-)

> Comunque mi disturba questa idea. Chi ti garantisce che come dici
> "verranno spinti verso un certo tipo di pensiero"; che molto
> probabilmente risulteranno mafiosi anche loro etc etc. Nessuno
>  stato democratico puo' assumersi la responsabilita' di
> "selezionare" chi puo' o non puo' riprodursi (opinione personale).

Non ho parlato di garanzie. Ho detto "forse c'e' un fondamento".
Da questo a chiedersi chi mi garantisce che le cose stiano cosi'
c'e' una bella differenza.

> Inoltre non credo che la castrazione, la pena di morte ed altre
> misure estreme possano sconfiggere la mafia. Bisogna colpirla 
> "in alto", la mafia; bisogna che la gente si faccia coraggio e
> reagisca, come quel povero disgraziato di un industriale (nome?)
> ammazzato perche' non pagava la tangente.

Su questo siamo d'accordo. Mi riservo comunque di parlare seriamente in
certi articoli (come quello in cui si parlava di pena di morte) e di
essere meno serio in altri. Ora mi piacerebbe sapere quanta gente
si metterebbe sul serio a proporre una legge per castrare i mafiosi.
Si potrebbe fare un sondaggio... "Cosa ti piacerebbe fare ad un boss
mafioso se ti capitasse fra le mani?" 

(Ora spero che si capisca che il tono dell'above paragraph non e'
completamente serio. Mi rifiuto di inserire uno smiley per segnalare
le mie intenzioni)

--
      Claudio Calvelli - email: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk - tel.: +44-272-228758
    posta: Rm 1410 JCMB (KB) The University of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ Scotland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian