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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bernard's b-day!

>>Tybalt, Titania, and Spanky (named for a _very_ obscure Shakespearean
>character)
>
>Bottom? :-)
>
>G

Tush-ay!

Chris
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Subject:      students of Russian calling

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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/CHRIS: Not in our lifetime will we
/see *childs* and *kins* become common usage because they've survived so long as
/"children" and "kindred". But they both are rare redundancies and would not
/ever apply to words incorporated into English today.

I'm a day and a half behind on this discussion, so without reading 250
messages first, let me be the last to point out that such redundancies
are being synthesized today.  I hear "medias" at least a couple times a week
(often through the media!); also "datas", "radiis", "stimulis" (without
reference to a brand of prophylactics); "stadiums" is interesting because
of its Latin singular attached to an English plural.  Obviously the
above examples are from Latin to English; Children (and "chilluns") and
kindred and brethren are out of Germanic dialects other than English.

Are we really discussing words on WORDS-L? Must be an April Fools joke.

Les
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fresh meat

Great. When I say something in this vein, I intend to appeal to people's
finer feelings. I naturally direct my words to people who can still be
salvaged. I don't bother to address people whom I have given up on.

And yet all I get are some footling and utterly trivial responses from
the very people I have written of totally - one  footling and utterly
trivial reply from Chris, and one footling and utterly trivial reply
from Anne. Jeez, you see my reasons for thinking that the whole bloody
list is conspiring against me. It's obvious that there is no place for
any kind of seriousness here.

Goodbye,
tushar
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From:         Joan Boorstein <BOORSTEIN%UMBSKY.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in-jokes and such

Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU> said:

>   I have NEVER thought of either the Czarina or the List Goddess as geeks!
>Now some of the GUYS, that's a bit different....

    Dan's comment made me realize that for me geeks or nerds are only
male ... why? because that would mean that I couldn't be one???
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      MASON JAR BOOKENDS

(Sorry - I can't recall who brought this up.  It was several hundred
messages ago. i.e. about two days!)
The Brautigan Library, named after a "library of the unpublished" in his
short story "The Abortion", is in Burlington, Vermont.  All you have to do
is mail in your MS.  (Gawd, would I hate to be a cataloger THERE!)  More
info can be found in the Wall Street Journal, aka the Running-Dog Lackey
Gazette, of May 28th, 1991, pg A1, col 4.  [That's the one with the drawing.)

Dr. John Williams,
Ld.
{List Docent}
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>        Yes, as a matter of fact.  We're looking for a Membership Director.
>
let's have the job description....
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: slang
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Re: 'cool beans'

I don't know where it started, but I can help you track it a bit.  I
first heard it three years ago when I became friends with a girl from
Florida.  Then I picked it up and spread it a bit.  Don't hear it much
here in NYC anymore, though.

--Aaron
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in-jokes and such

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:24:00 EDT Joan Boorstein said:
>
>    Dan's comment made me realize that for me geeks or nerds are only
>male ... why? because that would mean that I couldn't be one???

I've been called a math geek, a computer nerd, and a techie.

Evelyn
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Date: 13 Apr 92 09:55:28 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92041300150411@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> TA0SHK1%NIU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980) writes:
>I asked, "If a person uses 'he don't' in a job interview, what
>inference should the interviewer make?"  Natalie replied, "Should?
>I'm not sure that there's an answer to that question.  If you had
>said 'what inference will the interviewer make?' I would say that
>... depends upon who the interviewer is."
>
>In short, it's still a *should*, because the interviewer is
>accountable to somebody else, who has given the interviewer a set
>of standards by which to judge job applicants.

Well, when my colleague Tim or I have been poring over CVs for
new recruits, we've been answerable to no-one bar ourselves.  And
we've dismissed dozens of applicants out of hand without a second
thought, for their level of illiteracy.  Even if someone knows
they are a bad speller and tries to do something about it, if they
can't write a semi-readable application or get someone to check it
for them, they don't deserve a job.

But then we were recruiting data-entry typists, where good spelling
is important to the job.  We don't care quite as much when it comes
to programmers - my office-mate still spells 'book' as 'bwk' after
a wholly misspent youth in the hands of a 'progressive' school...

Graham
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From:         Akio Tanaka <TANAKA%JPNSUT20.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Ronin

The Ronin writes (2 Apr 92):

lurker=> All eating aside, I'm curious as to where the name Ronin comes from.
lurker=> Is it indeed a masterless samurai?

tr=>     I just received this from a lurker.  While I responded in the
tr=> affirmative, since no one corrected me when I made that assertion
tr=> earlier on this list, I thought it might be prudent to double check
tr=> with the list.  I also thought I would present evidence that we do
tr=> influence others.

tr=> The Ronin
==============
The Ronin, Esq.,

I found an interesting description in _An English Dictionary of Japanese
Culture_ by Honna & Hoffer. (1986) Yuhikaku, Tokyo.

=====
Ronin

A lordless samurai warrior.  In the feudal times it often happened that
samurai warriors would lose their lord in war or social upheaval.  They
had great difficulty finding another lord from whom they could receive
a stipend for the service they would render.  These lordless samurai
warriors were called ronin.  They lived in a neighborhood of ordinary
townspeople.  Because they were poor, they had to work.  Many taught
children reading and writing.  Thanks to their contribution, it is said,
the literacy in Japan at that time was considerably higher than that in
Europe.  Today the term ronin applies to a job-hunter who has resigned
from a previous place of work.  It also refers to high school graduates
who have failed in university entrance examinations and are preparing for
another attempt the next year.
==============================

Akio Tanaka/6 Apr 92
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: childhoods....such as they were
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              at Apr 9, 92 10:14 am

>
> Ok, gang. I think it's time to tell the Hell and Heaven story.
> A few of you have heard it already.
>
 Mama's story deleted

I hadn't heard it before.  It's great.  Loved it, judith.

rashmi
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Date: 12 Apr 92 18:12:04 GMT
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In article <9204121723.AA01352@zaphod.uchicago.edu> tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tushar Samant) writes:
>in about the same time) was another fake, poor thing. I am of course
>eternally damned to be tormented by these doubts. It's the cost of
>sinning.
>
>tushar

Groan.  Not the 'peccavi' joke again! :-)

G
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Old-Timers? Generation X?
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              at Apr 7, 92 5:55 pm

From Prof. H, virtually middled aged but young at heart:

> Well then, I guess I'm in my virtual middle age, since I started
> reading words-l Feb. of 1990 or  so.  Or was that 1991?  I don't

Better watch it, Adam!  IMO, the first signs of age are when you get
the years all mixed up. (I know, 'cos I've been doing that a lot
recently.)

rashmi
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Disneyland

Yesterday I ran my "Disneyland Dilemma" abstract through the
spell checker before mailing the abstract for consideration by
the program committee.

The spell checker did not recognise "Disneyland."  The option it
proposed as a replacement word was "Disenchant."

Did the programmer find the Disney atmosphere too Orwellian?

Steve Karlson
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: propositions and prepositions
              11 Apr 1992 10:01:36 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

But, Graham, if he was gay, why would he hit on a woman (disguised
policewoman or not)?  Unless she was in male drag?

Evelyn
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Yo!

Threateneth   Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>

> (And keep your claws off them nubile young things, Lobs!  I know
> *all about* you landlord types!)

     But all he was going to do was inspect their plumbing to make sure
everything flowed well.

The Ronin
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From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet%NS.UMB.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      female sports
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Correct me if I'm wrong (need I ask?), but I don't recall that anyone
mentioned ice skating as a sport where women get as much attention as
men. Was gymnastics mentioned?

How many other sports are there in which both sexes participate
together?  Sailing and tennis come to mind.
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      The Tunnel that Swallowed Chicago

The subterranean tunnels are full of water but the construction
company and the Army Corps have apparently stopped the hole in the
bottom of the Chicago River.  Now there are approximately 25 million
gallons of river water (and not a few fish) in the tunnels and
assorted sub-basements of Chicago buildings.  A big chunk of the
business district is closed ... no power, no running water, no
phones.

There's a tunnel far below downtown called the Deep Tunnel.  Its
purpose is to hold storm runoff until the storm ceases, in order
to give the sewer utility the opportunity to treat raw sewage
without spilling any raw sewage into the lake or the river.  The
authorities plan to dig a shaft connecting the subterranean tunnels
to the Deep Tunnel and drain everything off and treat it later.

Of course, the Deep Tunnel will all of a sudden fill up with fish,
and there are still a few train cars down in the utility tunnels,
which might wash into the deep tunnel if the current is swift
enough.  It's still going to be a mess.

The utility tunnels, by the way, are the tunnels that inspired
Upton Sinclair to have his socialists make their getawy through
utility tunnels (toward the end of _The Jungle_) and Geraldo
Rivera alleged that "Al Capone's Vault" had a secret outlet to the
utility tunnels.  Artistic license in both cases.

The tunnels were originally intended to hold telephone cables.
A company bought the tunnels and laid tracks in them to transport
coal to furnaces, haul away the ashes, and occasionally move mail
from office building to post office or railroad.  That operation
ran from 1904 to 1959.  After the coal hauling ended in 1959, the
tunnels remained, and the electric company and telephone company
ran cables through some of them.  Much of the tunnel system was
not used, but because it was too costly to seal, remained in place.

It looks like all of the surviving tunnels flooded.

Sigh.  Now to go home and view my tape of today's America's Cup
action.

Steve Karlson
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Birthdays, April 10

Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday, List Angel,
And Graham's mum too.

Steve Karlson
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: America's Cup

Peter Larimer out East suggests Dennis Conner got a bad call at the
third windward mark yesterday.  Dunno.  He tacked into that overlap
awfully close, and he did ram KANZA.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Understatement of the Year
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              13 Apr 1992 07:32:00 EST from <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:32:00 EST The harder I work, the behinder I get said:
>	citizens of third countries.  For us, it's a snap ('where were you
>	born" "are you bringing in cigarettes or alcohol" "enjoy your stay").

Well, at least usually....in 1978 or 79 Lorraine (Susannas mother, then
my wife) and I were driving back into the US at Detroit (bridge, not tunnel)
from Windsor.   We had been in SW Ontario for a couple days and were bringing
nothing back.

However, Lorraine was attractive, longhaired, and braless.  I was in jeans
and tshirt and had had shoulder length hair then.  We were driving a Dodge
van that was completely carpeted inside and may have been thought of as
a "hippie van".  We were both in late 30s, and they must have thought we were
roving deadheads or something.

anyway, they asked the normal questions, we gave polite "nosirs" to the
alcohol, importing anything, etc.  The guy said "pull over here, now".
So we did.  We were there for just under an hour while they crawled under
the van, opened all of the built in compartments, went thru luggage (mostof
which was in paper bags and such).  They found a bottle of pills and
spent about 20 minutes trying to figure out what they all were with their
PDR (or whatever book has all those color pix of all sorts of pills).  They
asked about all of them and I said "thats an antihistamine"  "That's
amoxicillin" and "thats tylenol" and  so forth.  They were VERY bent that
I had a bottle that had from ten to fifty each of different pills, all mixed
together.  They wanted to see the prescriptions, etc.  I tried to explain
that I combined them for convenience and saving space in travelling.  They
didn't like that answer, as were driving a big van and had lots of space.
I explained that the same bottle went with me to conferences, etc.  Showed
them faculty/librarian ID for both of us.  They STILL weren't happy.

We finally left with no more hassle than messed up luggage and such.  They
took nothing, but seemed pretty pissed they didn't get anything but a lot
of work.  No idea why we were picked....maybe we matched a tip....more
likely we fit a "profile" of "known hippy drug dealers" or something.

Anyway, we weren't happy, except to get out of there.

Oh, first thing they did was check the ashtray in console.  Neither of us
smoke or smoked anything, so they were most unhappy to find no ashes, seeds,
etc, in it.

dan
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: CompuServe Flat Rate - New

Oh, I do admit that very little, if any, of the "good stuff" is
available at the flat rate.  But for Internet Email access (with CIM or
TAPCIS or NAVIGATOR), it's an interesting proposition.

--Aaron
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
              10 Apr 1992 22:19:53 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

>"I remember that...my Mom used to read it to me"..."Oh, yeah, that was
>my favorite"..."Oh, I always loved that."  This year, however, not one
>student in my freshman English class recognized *anything*...and no one
>could remember being read to at all.
>we were as children, but I can't help thinking that they've missed a

I have no scientific evidence for this, but I have the impression that we
have just passed through a generation in which this didn't happen...maybe
because suddenly so many mothers were working and didn't have the energy?
Maybe because no one yet realized that TV not-stop wasn't so good for kids?
I don't know, and I guess it wouldn't do any good now to know anyway...
The good news is, that the word now seems to be out that reading to your
kids is important and even trendy....
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Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

Ken,
    Great poem. (Evelyn was this what you were talking about earlier?)
I have only been out of high school for three years and I already see my tor-
mentors failing in life.  I can only say that if wish it were worse.  I haven't
felt bad for any of those creeps.
     I wrote a little poetry but gave it up because I was constantly doing the
same thing.  My style didn't change and I got bored with it.  I started to
write short stories for myself.  I liked them because they were mine and any-
thing could happen (like Disneyworld).  I shared a few in high school in the
form of creative writing assignments and was praised.  The main reason I wrote
them was because I had no friends.
      The last thing I wrote was an Aunt Gladys letter, Jenna posted it a few
weeks back.  I keep a journal and write my death wishes in there.  It is a
great form of release.
                                 demented and sad,but social
                                            Lisa
P.S. I have no idea if demented is spelled wright (sic) :)
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From:         Akio Tanaka <TANAKA%JPNSUT20.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Hello???

Is anyone there???

Akio Tanaka/7 Apr 92/11:26 am.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Odder and Odder
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Apparently the list problem is only between uga.cc.uga.edu and msstate.edu.
I just checked usenet and saw that list mail is getting through the gateway
fine -- and the gateway is using an internet address.  I love net mysteries
and *hate* that I've got to log off soon and do the work I'm supposed to
be doing rather than playing with net mysteries.  When I win Publishers
Clearinghouse Sweepstakes, buy my Sun SPARCserver, and become my own
internet site in southern France, life will be better...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: female sports

In at least one Asian games (I remember the meet of six years ago) women
won practically all equestrian events. I guess that it's an event where
there aren't separae events for men and women. I think it was the Kuwaiti
team which was almost all women, and they beat everyone else hollow.

tushar
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