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From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Equality...
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:39:21 GMT

In article <93003.182634ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>1--women don't have the same strength as men....a 110 lb. woman can not carry
>    her partner 25 miles back to a pick up point, and arrive on time

And how many men could do that? I know that I certainly couldn't. I suspect
that most men probably couldn't do that either.

>2-I don't care WHAT kind of training a woman has, she still cannot hit as hard
>    as a man.

Really? I'd like to introduce you to a dear freind of mine, who's got
a blackbelt... I rather suspect that she could deck you, or just about any
other man, before you had a chance to swing at her.

>3-  Men have an inate behavior towards violance.....a woman would have to be
>    trained, and the training would be too time consuming.

Nonsense. 

First, about women not having an innate tendency toward violence. I've
got a friend who works for a rape-crisis hotline. This woman used to
come back from taking calls, take out her quarterstaff, and beat the
pulp out of anything she could find. This same person hopes that
someone tries to rape her so that she can beat him to a pulp and
castrate him with a pocketknife.  She wasn't trained to feel that way;
she just does. I'd say that's a pretty innate tendency, and it's
pretty damned violent. (And rather terrifying to those of us who knew
her.)

Second, the perceived innate tendency to violence comes from the fact
that we train little boys to be violent from the time they're little
children. We give little girls "dolls" and clothes to dress them it;
we give little boys "action figures" and guns to shoot each other
with. We teach little girls that the way to settle a problem is to
talk to the person they're having a problem with, or to go to some
authority figure. We teach little boys to beat the pulp out of each
other.

>4- A woman could not do what my partner and I did, in NAM.....I don't care how
>   much training she had, a woman would not have survived.

Proof by vehement assertion. Try taking a look at what women in the
Israeli army have survived. Try taking a look at what the woman who
was taken as a POW in Iraq survived.

	<MC>
-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     ||"In all seriousness of truth, hear this:
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| without the It, one cannot live. But
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || whoever lives with It alone is not
|| carroll@udel.edu             || human" - _I_and_Thou_, by Martin Buber
From: cs64wag@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be?
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:16:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <oneil.726642800@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>cs64wag@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner) writes:
 >
 >>{cynicism ON}
 >
 >>I think it might have been Berke Breathed who first said "Women
 >>are incredibly cuddly, beautiful creatures whose primary talent
 >>is the ability to rip out your heart and feed it to the cat."
 >
 >>{or something like that}
 >
 >>{cynicism OFF}
 >
 >Maybe I date all the wrong guys, but I've never ripped out a guy's heart
 >in order to feed it to the cat.  I've had the exact opposite experience,
 >in fact.  The exact opposite.  So, I don't really think it is fair to 
 >put the burden of guilt on women alone.  A man can break a woman's heart
 >just as easily as a woman can break a man's heart.  I don't think I've
 >ever broken up with a guy, although guys have broken up with me.  

Yeah, I didn't mean it like that--if I was female, I might say
the same about some men.  Being a straight guy, my heart is 
breakable generally by females, though.

>What proves what kind of a person you are, though, is how you go about it.
>One guy "ripped out my heart and fed it to the cat" whereas the other two
>guys are still my friends.

Indeed.   :-)

>Sharon
>oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu

Jeremy
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: R_WINES@TRZ860 (Rodney Wines)
Subject: Re: > Re: Equality...
Organization: Alcatel STR AG, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:08:05 GMT
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In <93003.182634ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

Points 1-3 deleted because they're not worth commenting on.

> 4- A woman could not do what my partner and I did, in NAM.....I don't care how
>    much training she had, a woman would not have survived.

Why? Were you with Calley?

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From: rmair@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Mair)
Subject: Re: Ok, How Strong Should A WOMAN be???!!??
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:08:06 GMT

lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique) writes:

>A woman has to be VERY strong.  What in the world makes you
>think she doesn't?  *extremely shocked look*   

>in my life right now that is taking a helluva lot of strength,
>and I'm trying to stay totally sober too.  I'm not the only
>woman who has ever been in this position, and I'm sure I won't
>be the last.  To get thru, we must BE STRONG....My ARC Personal
>Bodyguard, Ross, is continuously reinforcing this to me too.
>He says, "Lis, you're gonna make it, BE STRONG."   

>Topher, Women have to be strong too, VERY much so....  

And you Lis....
you are one of the strongest and most courageous I have evr met.

Just keep being yourself... and you'll make it.

*LONG WARM HUGS*

--
Ross
Official Personal Bodyguard to Lis, the Good Romantic Witch
***********************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat,soc.women
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Son Of Women in Combat....
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:43:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.230440.507@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

)Modern Day Problems:
)
)"lets get linear, I want to get linear, linear"
)				Olivia Newton Algegra

Let's get metaphysical

- Olivia Newton Philosopher

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Subject: Re: Equality between men and women; is there such a thing?
From: soswald@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:26:49 GMT
Reply-To: soswald@charlie.usd.edu
 <93002.201921ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET>,<1993Jan3.192546.4753@mtu.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <1993Jan3.192546.4753@mtu.edu>, bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:
>In article <93002.201921ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>definately the term "equal" needs defining......let's look at it from a
>>military point of view.....yes, a woman can fly a jet as good as a man....
>>yes a woman can sail a ship as good as a man....but NO a woman could
>>participate in the jungles of some south eastern country.  Maybe as a
>>nurse or medic, but not in the jungle working in teams....especially
>>the work I did in Viet Nam......a womans survival rate would probably
>>be about 2 or 3 seconds.
>
>   <stuff deleted>
>
>and as far as that goes, why aren't they sailing ships and flying planes
>in combat?
>
>Nah, there's something rather more sublime going on here.
>
>-bacon

Women are still barred from serving in combat positions. Nursing or medics are
support positions, not classified as combat.  There are women flying transport
planes as well as, I believe, sailing ships.  It all has to do with the 
classification of the position which is determined by Congress.  

-Sandy
From: byrde@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Olivier BYRDE)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Please, do me a favour...
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:19:58 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Happy New Year !

Would some of you do me a favour ? Let me explain my own story:
I am living in Lausanne, Switzerland, Europe (far away from the
USA). Here I had a french girl friend who has moved to Santa
Barbara, California for many months now. I am still in touch
with her, and she just sent me a 'Merry Christmas - Happy New
Year' card to which I would like to reply. But it's not enough;
I want to do something much more original :-)

Here is the point: I would like YOU to send her as many 'Happy
New Year' cards as possible, within january 15th. You do not
need mention my name (of course you can, if you want - this is
not an anonymous joke), but PLEASE just take care to end your
message with the french expression '(A SUIVRE...)' (= to be
continued). Her address is:

	Annabel TEILING
	P.O. Box 12957
	UCSB
	SANTA BARBARA, CA 93107

Many Thanks in advance...

                                         Olivier

PS: I apologize for my english, but if I had written this post
    in french, I am not sure that it would have been read...
From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Where did you meet you SO?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:56:18 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

met my beau at a war protest (gulf war, that is)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: cah32481@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cheryl A. Heinz)
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be?--ooops!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:15:22 GMT


Please ignore the previous...

I hate when I get 'f' and 'm' and 'r' all messed up!

Cheryl

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: student@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (general student use only)
Subject: love is sharing
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:01:25 GMT

asadsd
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: Equality between men and women; is there such a thing?
Organization: OFSA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:11 GMT

rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) sez:

>In article <C0C8Fu.5L3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>>Mebbe he's afraid of women...*shrug*...mebbe not, mebbe just confused.
>>
>
>Maybe not.  In fact I doubt it.  I think that unless you have been in
>this guys position and done the things he had done you have no right
>to judge him.  I wonder how many of us out there would have gone to

Note I said "maybe, maybe not"...I don't know what his problem is. I
don't agree with him, that I do know. Yes, yes, I *do* consider his
attitude a "problem". Not mine though.

Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Where did you meet your S.O.
Organization: OFSA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:50:21 GMT

To continue this thread in a.r.c. as well as a.r. 

	I met my S.O. through the net, specifically the
alt.romance.chat newsgroup. She and several others had just joined ARC
after becoming too "chatty" for alt.romance. I was astounded to find
that she lived in the same town as I did since most of my email
friends lived hundreds if not thousands of miles away. We emailed for
quite a while before meeting for lunch one day. After that meeting we
became closer friends and supported one another emotionally while each
of us worked on resolving or leaving our current non-healthy
relationships. Eventually, we both resolved our relationship probs and
continued to be the best of friends. Our "friend" relationship grew
rapidly into something more and after about seven months we were
married! Since then we have lived in bliss...which is a few miles
south of Bloomington, Indiana. :)

Steven

Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: phantasm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Romance...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:48:25 GMT

I wrote:

>> Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of
>> romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as
>> there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.
>>
>>              -Charles Kingsley
>>
>> The words of Kingsley suggest that if there are those without love in the
>> world, and if being without love is wrong, the age of chivalry and the
>> spirit of romance are not past, but with us today...

ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) aka Feral Knight responded:

> Hmmmmm, that IS one interpretation. But, I would interpret his
> statement as encompassing any wrong.

As would I... My response was to the question 'Is romance dead'...

>> Or are there those who feel that being without love is not wrong...

> Do you mean, being without romantic love?

Certainly, romantic love was on my mind at the time... However, I think being
without love of any kind would be very wrong...

Until again...

phantasm

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: any newsgroup about married life??
Organization: OFSA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:29:11 GMT

bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia)
>are there any newsgroups that discuss MARRIED LIFE? or is that an
>oxymoron as i believe???
>
>bip
>
Hi bip! If you are talking about ROMANCE in marriage then alt.romance
and alt.romance.chat are fine...I think soc.couples covers some
marriage topics also.

Steve
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From: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            )
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:42:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.romance
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Strong enough to hold his hand in a fire until it looks like a fried
pork chop, and the air reeks of burning flesh!  (apologies to G. Gordon
Liddy)

Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,soc.couples,soc.singles
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be? (#2.3)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:14:03 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <8JAN199309154074@vax2.concordia.ca> rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal) writes:
>>  rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal) writes:
>>>
>>> and strong enough to say the 3 most powerful words in the english language,
>>> and mean them whole-heartedly.
>
>well i can't believe no one has said the ones i was thinking of

Given that this is cross-posted to alt.romance, I think the answer is obvious:

"Huggy-wuggies all around"

>p.s. -- note that one newsgroup is no longer part of the list, due to some
>very odd communications.

Oh yeah - drop alt.sex; don't want any of that ikky real-world stuff intruding.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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Subject: Re: Equality...
From: soswald@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:41:51 GMT
Reply-To: soswald@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <93003.182634ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>1--women don't have the same strength as men....a 110 lb. woman can not carry
>    her partner 25 miles back to a pick up point, and arrive on time
>2-I don't care WHAT kind of training a woman has, she still cannot hit as hard
>    as a man.
>3-  Men have an inate behavior towards violance.....a woman would have to be
>    trained, and the training would be too time consuming.
>4- A woman could not do what my partner and I did, in NAM.....I don't care how
>   much training she had, a woman would not have survived.

1.---Research has showed that if you take a boy and girl at birth and raised 
     them exactly alike, when they're adults, the male will run faster but
     the women can run farther.
2.---You don't have to hit hard, just hit the right places with the right 
     force.
3.---Men may have an "inate" behavior towards violence ;-), but women can
     be (have been proven to be) dirtier fighters when push comes to shove.
4.---I have no idea what you and your "partner" did in Nam, but of all I 
     know about that time and the talks I've had with people that we're 
     also over there, There''s nothing that would lead me to believe that
     a woman couldn't have performed her duties over there, if allowed. 
     My guess is that the survival rate would have been the same.

-Sandy 
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.single
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: About: How Strong Should a Man Be?
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:44:51 GMT


One of the more pleasing thing my ProblemOlderWoman
has said to me about the matter of machismo:

that the recent case in nevada where a gentleman
put his wife an 5 month old child at risk by taking
a back road unmaintainted route was a case of
Stupidity, Not machismo.

It takes a RealMan[tm] to say: Staying alive
is more important.

ciao
drieux


ObDrieuxIsm:	A Truly Strong woman is willing to
		try and understand the difference between
		the standard pistol cartridge, traditional
		rifle rounds, and the intermediary round
		used in assault rifles, as its something
		he is 'into....'

ObMachismo:	Read 'Em and Weep Kids, 
		I got the original ProblemOlderWoman.

-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 
Just because you are a homicidal maniac
doesn't mean you don't have a sense of humor.
		- Barry Sadler
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex,soc.couples,soc.singles
From: djd7889@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas J. Deutsch)
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be? (#2)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Date:  8 Jan 1993 12:53 EST  

In article <1993Jan8.154519.4385@ll.mit.edu>, jfinn@ll.mit.edu (Joe Finnivan) writes...
> 
>In article <C0IqBy.97s@cs.psu.edu>, cowboy@sunws7.sys.cs.psu.edu (Richard M Kessler) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan8.163405.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>|> >martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>|> >> rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal) writes:
>|> >
>|> >>    and strong enough to say the 3 most powerful words in the english language, 
>|> >>    and mean them whole-heartedly.
>|> >> 
>|> >> "I got rhythm"?
>|> >
>|> >How 'bout either "The rabbit died" or "The test's positive" ?
>|> >
>|> >Tony Q.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> or
>|> 
>|> "Where's the Remote?"
>|> 
>|> 
>|> --cowboy@cs.psu.edu
>|> 
> 
>Or even "Is it in?"
> 

Or, "THIS IS OLD." :)

DJD

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From: cs64wag@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: How Strong Should a Man Be?
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:16:36 GMT
Followup-To: alt.romance
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <d=_3p5m@rpi.edu> petitc@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:

>  Personally, I feel a guy should be strong enough (emotionally, not physically
>, right?  Or did I misunderstand the question?) so that he can both be his own
>person and also be willing to risk his ego for that ephemeral, beautiful thing
>that we call love.

{cynicism ON}

I think it might have been Berke Breathed who first said "Women
are incredibly cuddly, beautiful creatures whose primary talent
is the ability to rip out your heart and feed it to the cat."

{or something like that}

{cynicism OFF}




Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: love is sharing
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

> asadsd

fdf ?

bill the cat....            ...at wrj@vnet.ibm.com
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat,alt.war,soc.women,alt.war.vietnam
Subject: Revenge of The Women In Combat thing....
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:51:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.war,soc.women,alt.war.vietnam
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

phantasm@iastate.edu () writes:
] icsjm@asuacad.bitnet writes:
] 
] > definately the term "equal" needs defining......let's look at it from a
] > military point of view.....yes, a woman can fly a jet as good as a man....
] 
] Better...
] 
] > yes a woman can sail a ship as good as a man....but NO a woman could
] > participate in the jungles of some south eastern country.  Maybe as a
] > nurse or medic, but not in the jungle working in teams....especially
] > the work I did in Viet Nam......a womans survival rate would probably
] > be about 2 or 3 seconds.
] 
] There are women today who could... There were women who could have done your
] work in Nam better than you did... And with proper training, there are no
] reasons why women would be poorer soldiers than men...

{ Yo, Monte, We have another brother with an attitude
who needs a little help coming to grips with it all.... }

Minor Obscure Historical Point....

the problem is that the NVA/NLF did allow women to do that 
persons job... neeed we now move on to what this proves about
the minor matter of women in combat?

ObMinorObscureHistoricalPoint2:

There were also ten year olds doing the same gig....

and doing it well....

ciao
drieux


ps: the annoying part in all of this, is that it is
so emasculating to accept that a woman, or a child,
can successfully work as a sniper or sapper.... 

War is The Last Bastion of the SexuallyConfused!

If you Rest Your Whole GenderIdentification on your
ability to be a Grunt.... Move Over BuckWheat,
there were Fairies in your unit.....

Personally I perfer to know which is my rifle,
and which is my gun, and which if for MilOps,
and Which is for LibertyStatusOperations....



-- 
Modern Day Problems:

"lets get linear, I want to get linear, linear"
				Olivia Newton Algegra
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