HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dsaklad@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: library censors and library archives
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:50:43 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Summary: Boston Public Library censoring of their own library history
Keywords: Boston Public Library history censorship archives


Our library uses all kinds of devices to delay or decline access
to library users and to people who work in the library system.
In this case is it is documentation on the operation or organization
of the library.  Archives of the institution should be collected
as anything else and managed for access in accordance with those
good principles about which we all know.  But one can find that in practice
those good priciples are compromised by well meaning types who can
use tactics of all kinds to make more out of what would only be an effective
way to learn about the library, it's history and organizational
culture.

Try asking at your own library for things like a manual and an organization
chart.

What response do you get just for asking to understand more effective
and efficient ways to use existing library system programs?

What kind of supervision and training is available to encourage
your interest in the other parts of the library system?
From: vancleef@netcom.com (Henry van Cleef)
Newsgroups: comp.library.internet,soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Connections to OCLC and other library resources
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:16:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom--posted from Andover, Mass.


This probably is a FAQ, but I need to set up access to library resources
on a new Internet system, and my knowledge is of general academic
computing systems.

How can we access OCLC?  Dialog?  We would like to set it up so our
users, who are Ph.D. candidates in a non-resident program, can set up
their own searches.  Also, what other resources are available?  

-- 
Hank van Cleef  vancleef@netcom.com vancleef@tmn.com  Andover, Mass.
Unix systems consultant---kernel, device drivers, networking, X11
SysV, BSD, Sun, Ultrix, AIX, SCO. Porting a specialty. 
	     The Union Institute  History of Science
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: rstorey@teal.csn.org (Ronnie Storey-Ewaldt)
Subject: ALA & COLORADO
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:00:05 GMT


While I'm delighted to hear the support for some future defeat of 
Amendment #2 in Colorado, it's very interesting being 1) a Colorado
resident who 2) worked hard for months to raise money, phone voters, etc.
to defeat #2 in the first place, and now 3) hears blanket criticism of
Colorado.

Please keep in mind, if you come to Colorado for ALA or other business or
for pleasure:

***Aspen, Boulder and Denver have/had gay rights protection in place--
the majority of the residents of those towns are pretty horrified right
now that laws they passed will be overturned.  The restaurant or hotel
whose employees or owners you smugly taunt may BE gay, may well have been
among the majority who voted those protections into law in the first place,
may well be people who voted AGAINST amendment #2 this month.  Please
keep in mind that not every Coloradan is supportive of #2.

***Many top officials worked to defeat #2, appeared publicly on election
night to commiserate, and currently are doing a lot of work to have it
overturned--these people include, but are not limited to--Gov. Roy Romer,
Mayor Wellington Webb (Denver), mayors of Boulder and Aspen, Rep. Pat
Schroeder (who faxed Clinton on election night re: 14th Amendment and 
appending gay rights protection to federal civil rights act), and several
clergy people.

***the bastion of conservatism is Colorado Springs--and before you have at
it freely, I live here, as do many other politically-minded and politically-
active men and women, gay and straight, who dared to put stickers and
posters on our cars and lawns.

Guess I'm just saying that it's always been easy for me, from the outside,
to criticize "Arizona" or "Utah" but now I'm walking in some different shoes
and I hope you all will take a moment to realize that a lot of us are
recovering from the shock of election night, mobilizing statewide, and
hoping that you from outside Colorado will look at people as individuals,
not as an undifferentiated group who supported such an atrocious amendment.

We'd like to keep all the support we've got and add more, not alienate people.

Ronnie Storey
rstorey@csn.org


Xref: sparky soc.libraries.talk:360 soc.motss:48790
From: psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Librarians, ALA & Colorado
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:44:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.libraries.talk
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Would someone please post the actual text of the act/amendment that passed
in Colorado?  thank you.
From: stalling@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Stallings)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Are there any library schoolers out there?
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:49:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov23.234959.21338
Organization: University of Washington

Certainly some courses here at the U of Washington are better than others, and
some professor's levels of instructional ability are better than other's, but
on the whole I think our 6 quarter (63 credits) course addresses the issues
new librarians will face today.

Unfortunately, it does not address the issues that we will face next year, or
the year after.  I read in "Online" magazine recently (sorry, no citation) 
that some University President told a Library School Dean that the Library
School was occupying what was turning into some very valuable turf (meaning
IS), and that unless they got off their duffs, someone was going to take it 
from them.

I interpret this line of thinking to mean that the placid role of book
acquisition, circulation and shelving is one that will no
longer support a)current professional salaries and b)current professional 
education requirements, among other things.

It is very difficult to forecast just what will be required in this brave new
world; certainly in many settings the librarian as we know it will survive
because people will always want personal service from a non-digital source, but
is this a justification for turning out class after class of librarians who are
suited for nothing else?  I think a lot of future classes of librarians will
find themselves pushed aside by CS people developing expert sytems, teachers
in public schools teaching online searching to 7th & 8th graders, and indexing
and cataloging specialists developing more and more pertinent and easy-to-use
databases.

Librarians should be able to both be information specialists *and* fulfill 
their traditional community service roles.  A good start would be to require
some CS and IS undergrad coursework as a prerequisite to library school 
acceptance.

Mike Stallings
Compuserve 71204,1557
stalling@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: U22006@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: ALA & Colorado
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:58:53 GMT

Wrong to 'punish' people for making legitimate political choices?
Hmm. I vote we move the meeting to Havana. It's nice and warm there in
January and they certainly need the business. Or how about Tehran? I
bet a lot of librarians have never been there. Or how about Port-au
Prince? It's even warmer, and Haiti would jump at the chance at some
recognition from a North American organization, even an organization
of librarians.
Can you explain the term 'legitimate political choices'?
David Gilbert
U. of I. Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: dsaklad@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad)
Subject: Boston Public Library email
Summary: How do people who work at BPL send email around the network?
Keywords: Boston Public Library email NEARNET INTERNET
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:57:23 GMT


Friends of mine who work at the library in Boston need information about how
to send email around the network.  I don't know the commands for their system.
Does anybody have an idea, so that I could tell them  how to do it or find out
how to do it?
From: psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Gay Librarians and amendment 2 text
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:33:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The text of the amendment is enlightening, and as one of the providers of it
pointed out, it is the final clause about being unable to make claims on the
basis of discrimination that is the damaging part.  All the rest could be
seen as grandstanding and unpleasant but without much legal force.

I'm sure there's been plenty of legal debate about whether the constraint 
against a claim of discrimination could stand up, and maybe somebody familiar
in Colorado could (very briefly) summarize it.

But the fact remains that the amendment passed indicating a very hostile
view, one that goes beyond what I regard as acceptable limits of acceptance
and tolerance.  On this basis I would support critical action by my
professional association with respect to future meetings in Colorado and
with respect to public statements.  I would note that the criticism by ALA
(and others) should be based on the intolerance and allowed state hostility to
a minority group, not on the substance of what the minority group is.

But the January midwinter ALA is too soon to practically cancel or shift;
it could however be a forum for a properly organized protest to the state and
to its citizens.  

--Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: ag235@yfn.ysu.edu (Rogerio Teixeira)
Subject: Library Directory
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:51:40 GMT


Hello all, my name is Rogerio, I am an antiquarian bookseller in
Juiz de Fora, MG, Brazil. I intendo to visit the United States
next year and would like to acquire some kind of catalogue contain-
ing names, adresses ( e-mail too ) of American bookstores and
libraries. I would be grateful if you could send me some infor-
mation on how to  goa bout getting one.
Thanks in advance

Rogerio de Campos Teixeira
Caixa Postal 1467
36001-970 Juiz de Fora  MG
Brazil
E-mail: cop01001@ufrj.bitnet, ag235@yfn.ysu.edu
-- 
Rogerio de Campos Teixeira   -  Juiz de Fora, MG, Brazil
E-mail: cop01001@ufrj.bitnet ;  roger@ufrjvms1.bitnet
        roger@vms1.nce.ufrj.br ; roger@ibase.br
        rteixeir@nyx.cs.du.edu ; ag235@yfn.ysu.edu
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:52:27 -0500 
From: Christopher Cochran <cc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ALA Midwinter

It's been kind of quiet out there!  I'll throw out a topic:

I've been hearing discussions between colleagues about whether or not
ALA Midwinter should pull out of Denver because of the recent political
events in Colorado.  Any comments or opinions?



Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu)
Subject: Re: E-mail of Library of Congress
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:43:20 GMT


Thanks, Edward.  I found an article in the directory about.LC\Library.of.
Congress\pub at seq1.loc.gov via FTP.  The article is an introduction
to ISSN and its administration.  I passed this to my friend and it is 
very useful.  I would suggest those who are interested in reading this
article get a copy of it via FTP.  

Thanks again and best regards



Max Lu


-- 
* Max G Q Lu, PhD (Lecturer in Thermal Engineering)
* School of MPE, Nanyang Technological University
* Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 2263. (Email: mgqlu@ntu.ac.sg)
* Phone: (65) 7911744 Ext.4818     Fax: (65) 7911859
From: cc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Cochran)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Global Information
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:00:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf1iGc200iV0E3Z0tW
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

cross-listed to netnews.soc.libraries.talk, internet.listserv.acrlny-1,
netnews.bit.listserv.libref  (apologies for the duplication)

For a report I am preparing on the role of the research library in the
global information environment, I am soliciting any information,
feedback, prognostications, and personal experience from other library
professionals.

If you have something you would like to share, I would appreciate
hearing from you.  Thanks for taking your time to do so.

Chris Cochran
<cc7f@andrew.cmu.edu> or
<ccochran@lis.pitt.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: buckmr@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay Librarians, ALA & Colorado
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:38:56 GMT

psgraham@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Graham) writes:

>Would someone please post the actual text of the act/amendment that passed
>in Colorado?  thank you.
From /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado/amendment2.txt on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu:

It would amend Article 2 of the Colorado Constitution by the addition
of Section 30, which states: NO PROTECTED STATUS BASED ON
HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL ORIENTATION. Neither the State of
Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its
agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school
districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation,
ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual
orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or
otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons
to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected
status or claim of discrimination. This Section of the Constitution
shall be in all respects self-executing.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE
The Gloria Allred Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
From: s.smith113@genie.geis.com
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: electronic journals
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:43:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: relay1.9211210544.AA06811
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I would like to subscribe to a group concerned with electronic publishing
and receive a listing of available texts. Please send replies to ssmith113
@genie.geis.com - thanx
From: v462etnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: Are there any library schoolers out there?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <84203@ut-emx.uucp>, jshouman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joan-Marie Shouman) writes...
>I'm pursuing a Masters of Library and Information Science at U.T. Austin, and,
>as I sit here writing a pointless paper for a rather questionable assignment,
>I am wondering what other programs are like.
> 
>Tell me what your program is like.  
> 
>Do you think library school is a good thing (Ignoring entirely the fact that
>most positions require an MLS/MLIS/MIS)?  Should it be worth a graduate degree?

Well, speaking for my experience at the University of Buffalo,
I can say that library school is *not* a Master's level
experience.  How can I say this?

1.  Both of my parents have Master's degrees.  They got them
at a time when I was cognizant of their efforts.  My father
got his when I was in 8th grade, my mother when I was in 9th.
Both of them worked at a much harder level than I have been
asked to and have seen my co-students do.

2.  The kind of work one does to receive a Master's, at least at
the University of Buffalo, is not what I would consider on par
with work I've seen in other Master's programs.  Too many of
the courses are simply how-to-do-it (esp. cataloging & classification).
Library school is simply not very rigorous.

3.  Several of the courses taught at UB are on par, if not easier,
with my undergraduate work.  The computer and information science
courses are, from what I've seen, on par w/ undergraduate courses.
There is, for instance, a course on microcomputers and data
management.  The final project involves creating a database on
dBase using its programming language.

4.  I've not detecting the science in library science.  I've seen
lots of work that might qualify it as practice, but not science.

I'm of the opinion that an MLS is no more challenging (or academically
valuable) than any undergraduate degree.  It should be part of a
regular 4-year degree, perhaps a Bachelor's in Library Studies.

Please, feel free to rebut my opinions.  I'd love to hear from
any other UB student who feels differently (or the same way!)

David Anderson
Xref: sparky soc.libraries.talk:349 soc.motss:48545
From: strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,soc.motss
Subject: Gay Librarians, ALA & Colorado
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:04:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.usc.edu


The following is being posted to several library groups, under the
reasoning that its subject matter transcends the various subdisciplines
within librarianship.

On November 3rd, the voters of the State of Colorado approved
Proposition 2, an amendment to the state constitution, which in essence
prohibits governmental bodies within the state from extending legal
protection from discrimination to gay, lesbian, and bisexual people.  As
a gay man and a librarian, I am concerned with this vote, particularly
in view of the fact that ALA Midwinter is scheduled for Denver in
January, and ALA Annual is set for Denver in 1998.

I am concerned, on a personal level,  that I may be denied services and
legal protection if I travel there, and I assuredly do not wish to spend
money in a state that is so dismissive of my rights.  If the Midwinter
Convention is held, I will feel unwelcome at the very least.

On a professional level, I am concerned that ALA not passively accept
this state of affairs, that it continue to speak out strongly for the
human rights of all people. The Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the
Social Responsibilities Round Table are in touch with ALA leadership on
the issue in devising such a response.  But I am not reassured by the
fact that there has been no comment on this topic on any of the three
library discussion groups to which I subscribe.

In view of the fact that ALA will be one of the first conventions to
visit the state after this amendment goes into effect January 4th, and,
frankly, in view of the surprising level of protest that occurred within
the profession after American Libraries ran a cover picture of gay and
lesbian librarians in July, I would like to request discussion of the
position of gay, lesbian, and bisexual librarians, specifically
soliciting the opinion of nongay librarians.

Are gays, lesbians, and bisexuals welcome as members of the library
profession?  If so,  does ALA have a responsibility to speak out for the
civil rights of its members, if not all Americans?  Does ALA have a
responsibility to respond to the Colorado amendment specifically, or
does the constitution of Colorado have any bearing on our convention?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and comments.

Dave Strickler, Reference Librarian
University of Southern California
From: strickle@charon.usc.edu (David Strickler)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: ALA Midwinter
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:37:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.usc.edu

It's probably a bit late to get Midwinter moved anywhere, much as I hate to go to Colorado.  However, there is a number you can call at ALA to epxress your opinion: 1 800 545 2433 ext 2153. They will also fax you the official ALA and SRRT statements on the situation.  Comment is urged.  Keep the faith.
Newsgroups: no.multimedia
From: stein@itek.norut.no (Stein Olav Tonnesen)
Subject: Video og Audio konferanse i Uninett.
Reply-To: stein@itek.norut.no (Stein Olav Tonnesen)
Organization: FORUT Information Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:47:48 GMT

I forbindelse med IETF-konferansen i USA, har vi satt opp en SPARC-Station med IP-multicast, og diverse programvare for VIDEO og AUDIO-konferanse. Vi har lykkes i  motta lyd fra USA.

I tillegg har vi kjrt en nasjonal toveis-lyd og en enveis VIDEO-konferanse 
mellom Forut og Universitetet i Oslo. (Bilder fra Forut i Troms)

Vi har desverre ikke ftt motta video, siden ingen vi kjenner i Norge har den 
maskinvaren som trengs.

Vi nsker kontakt med noen vi kan teste toveis lyd OG video forbindelse mot. 

Du trenger f.eks. flgende maskinvare.

SUN SPARC-Station
Vidiopix kort.
Lyd-chip

og flgende programvare.

IP-multicast patchet inn i en SOS 4.1.1 Kjerne.     
IP-multicast-ruter med multicast-forbindelse mot UNINETT.

+ Endel mer programvare. 

Ved eventuell testing m vi koordinere dette med UNINETT.


-- Stein Olav Tnnessen 	stein-olav.tonnessen@itek.norut.no
   Rune Hamnvik			rune.hamnvik@itek.norut.no

______________________________________________________________________
Stein Olav Toennessen 		Phone: +47 83 80150, Fax: +478382420
FORUT IT AS 
NORUT-Gruppen AS
N-9005 Tromsoe, Norway		E-mail: stein-olav.tonnessen@itek.norut.no
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: no.multimedia
From: rune@itek.norut.no (Rune Hamnvik (Stud IT))
Subject: IETF Konferanse
Reply-To: rune@itek.norut.no (Rune Hamnvik (Stud IT))
Organization: FORUT Information Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:56:26 GMT

--

I disse dager pgr det en konferanse som distribueres over
internet (MBONE). Vi har alt vi trenger for  motta lyd fra
denne konferanse, men vi mangler multicast adressen som lyden
distribueres til. Er det noen som har denne adressen ?

Rune
///  Rune Hamnvik         | e-mail : rune@itek.norut.no    ///
//   Student ved Forut IT | eller  : runeh@stud.cs.uit.no  //
/    Norut Gruppen        | Tlf : 083-80150/083-80485-303  /
Newsgroups: no.uninett.hjelp
From: trond@runit.sintef.no (Trond Skjesol)
Subject: Re: COMPUSERVE datapak adresse?
Organization: Computing center at the University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:52:03 GMT

In article <Lars.Holm.8@nsd.uib.no>, Lars.Holm@nsd.uib.no (Lars W. Holm) writes:
|> Er det noen som kjenner til hvilken (ny) datapak adresse COMPUSERVE bruker? 
|> Den gamle som var oppgitt ved UiB ser ut til aa vaere tatt ut av drift.
|> 
|>    Lars W. Holm
|>        NSD

Er det ikke mulig } benytte internet? Det er ihertfall mulig } sende email til compuserve,
men vet noen om man kan kople seg opp mot compuserve ogs} via internet?

Oppslag i DNS gir:

compuserve.com mail is handled by iha.compuserve.com
compuserve.com mail is handled by ihb.compuserve.com
compuserve.com mail is handled by ihc.compuserve.com

-Trond
Newsgroups: no.unix
From: m05751@foxtrot.data.st.statoil.no (Bjorn Hell Larsen)
Subject: rdist & NIS
Reply-To: bjla@statoil.no
Organization: Statoil, Norway
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:35:38 GMT


Jeg gikk etterhvert lei av fors|kene mine p} } automagisk vedlikeholde
maskininformasjon p} flere steder, og hacket opp min rdist (6.0beta.8)
til } skj|nne NIS netgruppe-spesifikasjoner i distfiler.

Dermed kan jeg f.eks si

/sun4/local/bin -> @td-sun4
	install -ochknfs /local/bin

Hva sier andre rdist-brukere? Er dette en god ide?
Hvis ikke, hvorfor ikke?


Bj|rn
Newsgroups: no.unix
From: hbf@durin.uio.no (Hallvard B Furuseth)
Subject: Lese fra subprosess
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:42:58 GMT

Har noen en programstubb (C, perl eller sh) for } skrive en
kommandolinje til en subprosess (et vanlig unix-filter) og lese svaret -
som best}r av 0 eller flere linjer?
--

Hallvard
Newsgroups: no.unix