HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Serving in the army - What do think?
Keywords: army
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:39:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Nov13.173937.1119
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Nov13.162117.16307@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.020231.26048@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik) writes:
>>
>>The first case is a friend of mine, who is in electrical engineering, major in
>>VLSI design (VLSI - Very Large Circuit Integration) has to serve in the army
>>starting this December. He married a year ago and has a week old boy. He made
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>every petition to delay the date, but unsuccessful. He left Canada two days ago.
> 
>   I vaguely remember that if you have to support two children and a wife,
>'Law' exempt your army service.  I feel very sorry for your friend.
>Although he major in high-tech(?), he can not have two baby in a year. (-:
>
>un-sig (served as 5 years 'supporting role' (TeungRae..)

If your wife has a college degree, they regard her having ability to support
your kids, so you have no chance to get exempted  if my memory is correct.
If someone with advanced skills (such as VLSI things :-)) is lucky enough
to get recognition , his army life might be a little better.
If someone has a permanent residency and is over 30 years old, he is auto-
matically exempted.

But note that military laws are always changing, so the above might not be
true at all by now.  I hear that they are still giving out "Bang-Wi" even 
though it was supposed to disappear (maybe due to the Congress problems.)
-- 
Sung Hyun Kim      kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ; kim_sh@jhuvms.hcx.jhu.edu

 A self-countering N-tuple is called an equilibrium point
 John Nash, Proceedings of National Academy of Science (1950)
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:22:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs

In article <yDDyTB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William
Gentry) wrote:
> 
> mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL BRETT SULLIVAN) writes:
> 
> > 
> > 	Hello.  Can anyone tell me how to get Korean fonts on the Macintosh?
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > 
> >                               - - -  Mikey  - - -
> > 
> >                              mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu
> 
>  can find some very nice Hangul fonts through Elex Computer in Seoul. 
> Their address is 27-2 Yoido-dong Youngdeungpo-ku, Seoul. Telephone is 
> 780-4545, FAX is 785-4838. I found twenty beautiful TrueType faces for 
> W30,000 last time I was in Seoul. It is the best bargain you can find for 
> Hangul fonts.
> 


You also can also purchase them from MacConnection for about $80.
I believe they're Postscript type 3 fonts.  They are somewhat limited
since some third party company in Washington created them. 

Good Luck . . . 

Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lim@omega.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim)
Subject: Re: Interested in Homosexuality in Korea
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:01:49 GMT

cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Alan) writes:
: 
: I'm researching this topic and would appreciate receiving the
: views, comments, and experiences of any readers of this group.
: 
: I will not share what you send me with anyone else, and
: I guarantee full anonymity.  Thanks in advance for your
: kind cooperation.
: 
: J. Alan

What an interesting research topic!
But I doubt if there're many homosexuals among those who
subscribe to this news group, since korean society, maybe
the whole asian culture, is a bit closed to sex.
How about posting this article in alt.sex.*.
The only thing that I heard was gays frequently showed up
at bars around US military bases such as Itaewon.
Does anyone have more interesting story?
-DCL

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: korean fonts on X Window
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:42:07 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Distribution: soc.culture.korean

In article <NANGU.92Nov10104900@kyon3.sm.sony.co.jp> nangu@sm.sony.co.jp (Kyung Namgoong) writes:
>
>X Window System, Version 11, Release 4 and 5 has korean fonts as the follow.
>
>        -daewoo-*-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-ksc5601.1987-*
>        -daewoo-*-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-ksc5601.1987-*
>
>The upper font was contributed by Sony Corp. in cooperation with Daewoo Telecom
>Ltd. of Korea.  So if X Window System V11 installed in your machine,
>you can display korean font by xfontsel and xfd.

	Plus, in R5, they are scalable; so, the ratio of horz/vert will
	be only thing that matters; and these days, it's pretty hard to
	find vendor who only supports R4 not R5.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: emzx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: parents push their children ... to near death ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:33:41 EST
Distribution: soc.culture.korean,soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Nov6.171648.18873@nmsu.edu>,
moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater') writes: 
> 
> Koreans ( first generation at least :P) have the reputation
> of working hard and driving themselves.
> And its not for them that they do this, but so their children
> can have a better life.

You said it.  My Father and my Mother believe in that doctrine very firmly.

> 
> But now all the hopes and dreams of the parents are riding on their
> children and all of a sudden, anything short of outstanding is failure,no 
> in between.
> 
> Now these second generation korean-americans are caught in the middle.
> They want to have fun, go to parties, go on dates, doddle, 
> make jokes in english, just like theother american kids.
> But deep down  their parents have driven home the message that
> unless they become doctors or lawyers or business leaders,
> they have failed themselves and their parents.
> And maybe doomed themselves to a hard,cruel life.
> ( sorry for the paraphrasing :)

I don't know about that.  I'm not second generation - I wan't born here in the
good old US of A - but I do share much of their ideals.  The idea of living for
your kids is wrong.  Nobody should live for anybody else.  It's selfish, but
the other extreme is stupid.  My parents have ground in their beliefs deep
inside me, but as long as you think about their ideas and formulate your own
ideas, things should be aok.  The key word here is THINK.  If there isn't a
thought processes going on, you'll be screwed and unhappy.
-- 
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                              -S. O'Nan

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From: dcho@scott.skidmore.edu (douglas cho)
Subject: New president for US
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:35:28 GMT


I wonder what the reaction is like in Korea regarding Clinton's
becoming the president. The gov't? The people?

Would someone in Korea respond?


Cheers,

Doug

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: zfs60@cas.org (Zhiyong John Shen)
Subject: 12X24 hangul .bdf fonts available?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
	<1992Nov9.045959.26608@tc.cornell.edu> <27323@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:21:47 GMT

is there any ftpable public 12X24 hangul fonts?  i looked around and
only found 8X16 fonts.  thanks for any information.

--john
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 20:13:51 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: first Korean-American elected to US Congress
	<1992Nov6.140608.1184@udel.edu>
Distribution: na

Yes Mr. Shin,

                    I am also very excited! It would have better if he
were a Democract. I think that this is the beginning of a "New American
Order"! Soon, there maybe a Black president or a Vietnamese Governor.
And, Mr. Kim will be the one who will have explored this new territory.
Actually, there were a lot of firsts in the Election thios year. But,
very happy and excited about Congressman
Kim. Very proud also.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:5122 soc.culture.japan:10247
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:37:26 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Nov6.174242.17046@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

>In article <XAVIER.92Nov6154146@kuee.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp> xavier@kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp writes:
>But then the matter of Sea of Korea or Sea of Japan is pretty tricky. The
>thing is that two countries are too close  and the sea between them is too
>small to be divided into two names.  I guess we Koreans get some impression
>that since Japanese intrusion era, the name Sea of Japan has been used by
>the other people in the world, and as I understand that's the motivation 
>for this thread....

I guess whenever there is a body of water bordering two nations,
there is the potential for such a controversy. There is a very 
similar controversy in the Mideast, where the Arabs refer to 
the gulf as the "Arabian Gulf" and the Iranians as the "Persian Gulf". 
I guess there's no "right" answer to any of these controversies.

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:17:23 GMT

sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:

>I certainly have more respect for Park ChungHee than I do for Chun Doo Hwan.

Yes, he is the most favorite president among Korean. One survey said around 80%
of Korean chose him as the best president and around 70% people regarded him
as a great leader. I read this a year ago, so this cannot be true anymore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
From: <CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET> Youngjun Choi
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:46:38 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Thank you for the information, everyone.

Why did I ask about it?  You know why.
I read it on HanKuk daily newspaper about 5 years ago, of course, it mentioned
about it: it used to be called 'Sea of Korea'.

Go-Ma-Wa-Yo.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Serving in the army - What do think?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:37:26 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Keywords: army

In article <1992Nov13.075508.9233@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	Hmm, I thought there was a rule about getting exempted if you are
>the sole provider of your family, which is define as, etc, etc, etc.  I
>read the Dae-bub jun last year just to see what the rules for getting
>exempt, getting delayed and serving bang-wi was.  My memory must be
>fading.

	It has been changed too often to follow here.

>	Betcha this happens if you have enough money.  And for all those of
>you who want to try this, supposedly, if you have a tattoo, you are 
>automatically exempted from the service.  But as far as I know, it's only
>a UL, so take it with a grain of salt.

	This, again, has been changed too often; those related to govt.
	officials (including military) will find it pretty hard to get
	around the law; the thing is that they are in better position
	to find the way thru the law (e.g. find any possible defect
	on your bone structure along with exaggerated medical exam.,
	starve to near-death to lose weight, keep on eating until you
	can't see your own dick,...etc).

	Frankly, I do not have friends who served full periods of
	duty (most of them were exempted or served as Bang-wi); but
	I think if you have any chance you can avoid it, you'll be
	better off avoiding it.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee)
Subject: Enough Sea of Japan Bullshit
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:50:57 GMT

I have just about seen enough of the petty arguing
back and forth about the correct name of a body of water.
The way I see it, "Sea of Japan" is incorrect, but on the
other hand, "Sea of Korea" is also incorrect.  The only
correct term is something that does not imply that the sea
belongs to either country.  How can either of two countries
sharing the same sea own the whole sea?  

To bring up old European maps is silly.  What the fuck do the
Europeans know about ancient East Asian history?  An old 
Portuguese map calls Jae-ju-do, "Quer-paert" because the
natives replied, "Tangerine field", when a Portuguese sailor
pointed to the horizon.  The only answer lies in old Asian
records.  As far as I know, the Chinese and the Koreans have
called the body of water "the East Sea."  I think the name
is especially fitting since it is the easternmost sea and
Japan is the land of the rising sun.

The amount of passion on the Korean side is puzzling.  There
are much more serious wrongs the Koreans are suffering in the
hands of Japanese than a mere name of a body of water. The
descendents of the Koreans
who were forcibly taken as slave labor are still being denied
their full rights in Japanese society.  THIS IS A WORTHY
CAUSE.  Do something useful and speak up issues like this.

HL
 
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From: IIC2132@isluga.puc.cl (AyudantesIIC2132)
Subject: Looking for anonymous FTP sites in Korea.
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:58:12 GMT

The FTP site in Korea :

     kum.kaist.ac.kr      (via anonymous)

There are many other sites of KAIST, e.g.,

     sol.kaist.ac.kr
     cosmos.kaist.ac.kr

but it doesn't support anonymous entrance via FTP.

-----

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Catholic University of Chile
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:08:51 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov11.100916.2759@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jong-min@ie.engr.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) writes:
>In article <cho-101192071917@260-3r-mac5a.wdl.loral.com> cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
>>In article <yDDyTB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William
>>Gentry) wrote:
>>> 
>>> mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL BRETT SULLIVAN) writes:
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> > 	Hello.  Can anyone tell me how to get Korean fonts on the Macintosh?
>>> > Thank you.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >                               - - -  Mikey  - - -
>>> > 
>>> >                              mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu
>>> 
>>>  can find some very nice Hangul fonts through Elex Computer in Seoul. 
>>> Their address is 27-2 Yoido-dong Youngdeungpo-ku, Seoul. Telephone is 
>>> 780-4545, FAX is 785-4838. I found twenty beautiful TrueType faces for 
>>> W30,000 last time I was in Seoul. It is the best bargain you can find for 
>>> Hangul fonts.
>>> 
>
>You need HangulTalk 7.x to use these fonts. Last time I checked, HangulTalk
>was sold at W1,200,000.

   Two new students here got HANGUL talk 7.x from Elex when they came to the
US. They got them for about 300 k Won. Maybe Elex cut down price a lot
though it's still expensive. 
  By the way, I heard that Apple Talk new version 7.1(?) will have options
for many languages including Korean,Japanese,and Chinese making it
unnecessary to buy expensive Hangul talk separately. Is there anyone with
more detailed information on new Apple Talk?  Please post about that.

>
>>
>>You also can also purchase them from MacConnection for about $80.
>>I believe they're Postscript type 3 fonts.  They are somewhat limited
>>since some third party company in Washington created them. 
>>...
>
>Also check Ecological Linguistics (see ad on last pages of MacUser). ~$100.
>
>Both of these fonts work on US Systems, but the code is not compatible with
>HangulTalk, and they are a little hard to type (you need all kinds of
>key combinations, option, Alt-option, etc.).
>
>-- 
>+-------- Jong-Min Park -------------------
>| E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu           
>| Office: (608)-262-3234       360F ME Bldg
>+-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison


Organization: Masters student, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 17:01:18 -0500 
From: Seungjo Han <sh4g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
	<1992Nov6.081409.17754@seas.gwu.edu>

>I think he sucks cock. He was one of the worst dictators in the
>twentieth century.  What can you expect of someone who graduated from
>the Japanese military academy?  Big deal, he started the sae-maoul
>undong, but what it basically consisted of was getting rid of
>mud huts and replacing them with corrugated steel houses....big
>improvements. If I was to meet him in person, I would torture in
>the worst way possible, like he did to his opponents, and make hime
>die a horrible death.  A bullet while drinking a glass of Chivas was
>too good for the likes of him.

It is true that he was a dictator and that he had his downfalls, but one
has to consider the situation that Korea was in during Park's
presidency.  In order to practice true democracy, the country has to be
relatively stable and be free from foreign threats.  As you know, Korea
was in constant threat of being invaded.  I believe during times like
these, one can not afford to have a weak government.  Any power struggle
within the S.Korean government might have given Kim Il-sung a chance to
reinvade the South.  I know that many people may disagree with this
point of view, but that's my opinion.

Another point I want to make is that Park Jung Hee really wanted to step
down as the president, but he was threatened by people in his party to
remain in power.  I know that this may sound ridiculous, but this is
from a very reliable source.  One of my relative worked in the "Blue
House (Chung Hwa Dae) and was very close to Park Jung Hee, and that
person told me that people in his party feared that they may be in
danger if Park lost his power.  This relative of mine wanted to leave
Korea when Park lost his power, but he was held back because people
feared that he might talk.  He eventually was ruined.

I think that history will record Park Jung Hee as one of a great man in
Korean history.  After all it was him who laid the foundation for
today's Korea.  As to the person who wrote the article above, if you
want to torture people like that, what makes you different?

sjh
From: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (Sang Y. Yum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: hanterm, Hangul LaTex
Keywords: hanterm
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:17:17 GMT
Reply-To: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Teradata/NCR

What is going on with Baram server?  I guess it's been down for a while.

Anybody know other site that has korean Unix and/or MS-DOS softwares?

I am especially interested in hanterm and hangul latex software.

If you have the information, would you kindly specify the server name
and exact path to where the softwares are located?  I have to rely on
ftp-mail server.

Thanks in advance.

Sang

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:44:45 GMT

lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:

>Park is not
>a Saviour. He was "Jjok-ba-ri" (japanese-lover) and a dictator.
>He should have been thrown into jail for his life time, when
>we restored independence.

I'm not sure though, whether it would have been possible at all to put him
into a jail as the vast majority (something like 95%) of South Korean army
officers were ex-Japanese military men when the army was established soon after
the independence. What a shameful start!

This is of course due to the fact that Syngman Rhee was only able to hold onto
power with the support of chin-il-pa (pro-Japan faction of Koreans) and was
pressured not to let too many people with independence fighter's background
into the army.

Kim-il-sung wasn't talking nonsense when he accused the South Korean army
of being the remnants of Japanese imperialist army. .....Sigh.


Woong-Ki


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: pkim@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Kim)
Subject: Re: Looking for anonymous FTP sites in Korea.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.021744.15760@cis.ohio-state.edu>, lee-d@maple.cis.ohio-state.edu (dong-seok lee) writes:
> Hi, I am looking for anonymous FTP sites in Korea.
> Do you happen to know any sites ?
> Would you share it with me.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> 

kum.kaist.ac.kr

Good Luck
From: rchoi@thylacine.cs.wisc.edu (Ron Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: first Korean-American elected to US Congress
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:53:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Nov5.185530.5955@midway.uchicago.edu> hts1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Jay Kim (not to be confused with Jay Khim, another Korean-American who ran
>in Virginia but lost in the primary) won the new 41st district in California.
>He is a Republican from a Republican area - Orange County.  He won by a 
>landslide.

if i'm not mistaken, this is the guy who introduced one of the main speakers 
at the republican convention.  i thought he was from walnut, ca, which is not
in orange county, but rather in san gabriel valley.  my impression was that
he's not a 2nd-generation korean-american since he wasn't that well-versed.  
so he got elected, eh?  kudos to him.

>I find this very exciting news, first, because I am Korean-American, and 
>second, because I am Republican (yeah, don't rub it in...).

i'm glad that you're glad.

>tom
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