From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.220819.21778@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.154919.8511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:
>>>>
>>>>From what I understand, the Africans who participated in the slave
>>>>trade made money from the transactions, and were not themselves
>>>>subsequently sold as slaves.
>
>Where are you getting your supposed facts from ? How do you know what the
>type of currency used by Africans was ? I keep hearing about all of this
>junk on how Africans sold Africans to the slave traders but where is your
>documentation ?

Well, another poster has already documented this from one source, and I
have sent you email on this issue.  For others who may be interested,
I would suggest looking at Basil Davidon's _The African Slave Trade_, 
(or an encyclopedia or other reference book if you just want simple
statement of facts...).

And what the hell difference does it make what currency was used???
I don't care if Africans were paid in gold or in goods or whatever,
the profit motive was there.

>
>>Well, it sounds like you, sir, are getting your information from teh 
>>Farakkan school of "evil whites and blacks can do no wrong" information.
>>It is well known and established historical fact that blacks openly 
>>participated and profited from the slave trade.  That is not surprising
>>considering that african society (like most other societies) considered
>>slavery acceptable practice.  The difference was that the scale was much
>>larger due to the demand of the euro-americans.

>Oh !! Please !! 

Witty repose.


>
>>Unfortunately, in today's world of feel-good education where statements
>>such as blacks built the pyramids are espoused by the PC teaching 
>>establishment these facts are denied as they would seem to assess some
>>bit of blame upon black africans, which would destroy (as noted earlier)
>>the concept of reparations based on ancesteral guilt.  Thus we see the
>>products of such thinking in you, who throw out the accusation of 
>>racism (via the KKK) whenever someone happens to disagree with you.
>
>No ! I don't care if you disagree or not but on what basis do you base
>your opinions ? You have yet to quote a source from which you are getting
>your information.

I and others have now done so.  The very fact that we are required to
do so strikes me as strange.  The next thing you'll demand proof for is
... well I will await it with baited breath.

I would like to see some documentation of -your- claims.  It would be
very interesting to know where you learn this propaganda.


>>It's interesting that you have such a fascination with Jewish history
>>and seem to base your foundation on what "the jews" can get away with.
>
>Again its not a matter of what the "jews can get away with", its just
>a matter of perception. If I used your logic then I could say that the
>jews assisted in their own holcaust. Don't you see how stupid that statement
>is. No one would assist willingly in their own destruction. Why do you have
>such a hard time seeing that Africans would not assist in their own      
>destruction ?

Because I, unlike you, don't simplify the human condition down to the
level of the color of our skin.  I can easily envision how greed by
black Africans could entice them into selling other Africans (who were
probably not thought of as "their own people," realizing the tribal
infrastructure of the times) for personal gain.  Its the exact same
thing as now when corporate CEOs dump chemical waste into the environment
knowing full well they are killing children and causing medical problems
for society...it all comes down to money, black or white.

>
>>I would suggest you attend to your own issues, and quit trying to 
>>blur the facts with inflamatory sidebars.
>>
>No just facts.

I have seen no citations to substantiate your claims..

>
>>And I really don't see the point of your argument anyway.  Are you
>>-really- trying to state that blacks never participated in the institution
>>of slavery (for profit)?  Are you -really- trying to state that somehow
>>a group of people on the basis of their skin color somehow have superior
>>moral convictions and have evaded the tempations of immoral conduct?
>
>Nope just stating the fact that whites enslaved blacks. Whites killed and
>murdered blacks and their families. Whites are responsible for this
>action.
>
Hope you're enjoying your little trip through la la land, 'cause that 
simply aint the way it was.  I think your Mu receptors are a little 
over stimulated...



>>And it's important to realize the social and moral norms of the time.
>>Today I would hope that the VAST majority of the world would denounce
>>the institution of slavery.  Back then, however, and in fact all through
>>history, slavery was a common practice.  Thus if we are going to 
>>establish historical facts solely on the basis of race, as you seem 
>>inclined to do, the world owes a debt of gratitude to whites, who 
>
>Again you are wrong. We know that every society enslaved people. The
>point is that no society enslaved their own and sold them to someone 
>else. At least the Africans did not sell their own people to the
>european slave traders.

I'm not going to bother to point out the historical inaccuracies of your
statement above.  Rather I would ask you, what in the hell is the 
difference whether or not slaves were sold to someone other than
"their own people."  That kind of statement indicates that it is not
the institution of slavery that is upsetting to you, but the fact that
white people benefitted.  That appears to fit right in with your 
Farrakkanian views.

>
>>Please wake up and smell the coffee.  There are people of any race
>>that will take advantage of another human being's weaknesses and 
>>exploit them.  We need to work together to constructively build
>>a future in which those sorts of people are hindered.  Today
>>people such as you who espouse race related blaim in such a simplistic
>>world view merely add support to modern day racists (both black and white)
>>who would divide us.
>
>I guess you don't have any racist views ??? I couldn't tell from your
>postings whether or not you are a racist or just plain ignorant.

I'm sure that I, like all people, have some.  I just try hard to address
them in my life and don't sidestep historical and philosophical reality
in order to lay easy blaim at other groups of people.

>
>>Peace.
>Same to you my friend.
Ending on a good note.

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