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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Superman's death. True cost?
Organization: The Little Squids of Calvin and Hobbes
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:49:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.220949.11893@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>zlg1409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Zhenhai Li ):
>>Personally, with the abysmial storyline, I normally wouldn't
>>bother. But like everyone else am getting it for future value...
>>Do you think the price will actually go up?
>
>Superman #75 has the potential for spectacular price increases, especially
>if inflation is high enough.  
>(This comic has the potential to be the next Stupendous Man #1! :)

And to think, all this time I've been wasting my money investing in bonds...

-------------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith    | "Look girls! We've caught a spy! And what do we
     (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |  do with peanuts who spy on us?"
  They've all passed out of   | "ROAST THEM!!  ROAST THEM!!  ROAST THEM!!" 
 our lives on the slow train  |            _Mr Peanut at St Trinian's_
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: penciller for darkstar ads
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:41:44 GMT

jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:

>In article <BxLGG6.Azz@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>>Who is pencilling the nice Darkstars advertisments. It is
>>not Mignola. 

It is not Stroman. Stroman has a distinctive style that
you cannot miss. This style is just really consistent
looking.

Jed
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: JLA/Avengers (was Re: what if)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:00:17 GMT

In article <1edu2mINN549@alice.cs.purdue.edu>, berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.165912.19595@mercury.ncat.edu> jdross@mercury.ncat.edu writes:
|> >Who do you think would win in a battle between the Avengers and the
|> >Justice League?  I remember someone telling me that at one time, George
|> >Perez was going to do a book with them fighting, but DC said NAAAAH!
|> It was not DC's fault that the series did not get published,
|> regardless of what Marvel Age said.  Someone, somewhere did not want
|> the series to be published, and various things were said about what
|> each company was up to in regards to the project, and it was
|> subsequently dropped.  Marvel Age ran their version of the story,
|> and DC published theirs in two of Dick Giordano's "Meanwhile..."
|> pieces.  As he said, "[DC and Marvel] will eventually make up for
|> the lost revenue...the only real losers are the fans and [the
|> creative team]."
|> 

Even though there have never been any actual matchups between the Avengers
and JLA, that hasn't stopped the writers of both titles from creating
stories in which facsimiles of the other group have appeared.

For example, in Marvel Comics, the Squadron Supreme was created as a
pseudo-JLA.  There were approximations to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman,
Flash, etc.  They faced the Avengers on at least one occasion. 
This team existed in another dimension on a different Earth.
One interesting story had the Squadron Supreme led by the Superman character
take over the government of their Earth.  They were opposed by a rebel group
of heroes that did not believe a group of superheroes were qualified to
be benevolent dictators.  The rebel group was led by the Batman character.

Over in the pages of JLA, they created a superhero group from another dimension
that featured facsimiles of Thor, the Scarlet Witch, Yellowjacket, etc.

If anyone can remember more details about these stories, I would appreciate
their input.
				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Subject: Superman Death issues :Revisited
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:11:42 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


   In my previous post i stated that the Supes death crossover
   in JLA was $10, i was mistaken its now gone up to $20.
    I just about laughed myself into a coma.



  -shawn

  Are you gonna let it all hang out,
  fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world  go round.
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since the
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:23:38 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <Bxn1Jo.990@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, mccs0561@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu writes:
> 
>      Mel Gibson for Wolverine? C'mon  He's too big.  Give Jean-Claude
> Van Damme some good makeup.  He's short, he's French, he's a martial
> artist.  While I'm at it. . . Alec Baldwin for Cyclops, Dolph for
> Colossus, and Grace Jones with a wig for Storm
Mel Gibson is short. They just make him look taller in the movies. As for 
JCVD, well he can't act.

----Marc Seebass
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Elmo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman news
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:31:52 -0600
Organization: The Pentateuch
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rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Elmo) writes:
>>
>>	Also, the next short story tpb will probably be called "Accounts
>>and Reflections" (although Neil said almost all the feedback he's gotten so
>>far on the name has been "it's boring".)

> 	I'm not sure I understand this.  The next short stories trade
> paperback will be "Accounts and Reflections"?

	Sorry if I wasn't clear.  A&R wil reportedly contain both Distant
Mirrors and Convergences.  (Dunno about the Special, but it would be a
reasonable inclusion as well.)
	As for the name?  Well, I'd guess that it's a compilation, and Neil
thinks it deserves a new name.
-- 
"Life is like playing a violin in public and learning the instrument as one    
goes on."--Samuel Butler                                                       
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
Organization: Sophomore, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:49:10 -0500 
From: Timothy Murphy <tm3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Superman: here's what we do...
	<1992Nov23.185706.28464@tandem.com>

In article <1992Nov23.164631.11980@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ctatro@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:

> I am calling on EVERYONE who reads RACM to swear a solemn oath to REFUSE TO B
UY
> THE RESSURECTION ISSUE!! In fact, force your friends to swear this too. And
> convince your local store to only order a normal number of copies. Now, most
> will not want to do this, as it will mean profit loss. But maybe SOME will
> realize that these things will be in the "Fifty Cent Bargain Bin" before the
> year's out (along with Superman 75). Maybe we can even get some media
coverage
> on this....The press seems rather eager to cover Superman stuff these days.
> 
> Come on people, I'm going to need your help on this one. Let's send a message
> to DC that you don't dick around with fanatical comics readers and get away
> with it.  Let's make this the biggest fiasco in comics publishing history
> (bigger than Secret Wars II even!)!!!  If you're going to kill a major
> character, at least make it worth our time.
> 
> Yours in eternal idealism,
>           kristoff
>                "Someone's got to do it , don't you see? Someone's got to
>                  save the world!"

What is this bit about Secret Wars II? I remember Marvel calling the
first Secret Wars series the biggest selling book in 25 years of Marvel
comics, but I thought the second series sold well too. What's the deal?

Tim Murphy
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman & Bissette's visit to Chicago
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:36:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Nov15.082556.26509@midway.uchicago.edu>, lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Grinnin' Glenn) writes:
> 
> Steve Bissette I got to rap with for a while, being the Swamp-fanatic
> that I am, I had to have a sketch -- packed with lots o' Bissette
> flies (tm) and such things, as Swampy admonishes me to eat my
> vegetables.

Uh-uh.  It was READ your vegetables.  :-)

[Re: 1963]
>    If you're even the slightest bit acquainted with early Marvel --
> Lee, Kirby, Ditko, et. al., you will find this a belly-laugh, panel to
> panel.  

The 1963 books have silly premises, preposterous situations, stilted
dialogue, and are simply wonderful.  :-)

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: The New Frontier
Organization: Manifest Destiny, Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:00:46 EST


'The New Frontier' appears to be a new Dark Horse limited
offering at about two fifty a pop in black and white, but
it seems to be worth it.

For those of you who have seen it already, I swear I've seen
at least the artist's (and perhaps the writer's) work in
another work that involved UFO's, G-Men, an ace reporter,
and communism...does this sound familiar to anybody?  It
was printed in a larger format, like 'Jimbo'.

Anyway...

For those of you who haven't seen it yet, The New Frontier
is a fine book which involves '50's type characters who
you expect to find in a movie like "Invasion of the Body
Snatchers."  It's got many of the similar elements...
McCarthyist government paranoia, jingoistic national
trends, golly-gee-whiz single-mindedness, the red scare,
starstruck legions, a Marilyn Monroe-like sex icon, and
lots more!

The art is, in my opinion, excellent.  Not at all the
cross hatch and intricate line mess that sells all too
well nowadays, The New Frontier uses simple and heavy
lines that support the general mood of cartoony
seriousness.  My favorite is the panel where the convicted
"slasher" says to the reporter from his jail cell,
"There's nothing funny about murder, Miss Valentine."

Check it out, for crying out loud!

This is good stuff that receives hardly enough attention.


handel
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:14:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:11:49 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:11:49 GMT, dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga) said:

dv52151> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>By closing time, one of the local shops was apparently charging $25
>for the Supes death issue.  This was on Thursday, the same day the
>book hit the shelves.  I'd love to see a mob of angry parents descend
>on the place, demanding refunds for all the little would-be
>speculators who are taken in by such nonsense.

My local store here had a funeral for Superman in the store. They had
a real coffin, and had one of the regulars dress up and lie in it all
day. I dropped by. Saw the crowd, and left about 5 minutes later. It
was unreal. I glad that my local place is faring well though. BTW,
they sell all new books at 10 cents off the cover, including all the
recent Superman titles. They would never do anything as slezy as sell
a new $2.50 book at $25...

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 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:05:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.212607.9649@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>> 
>>> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
>>> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
>>> charter.
>>
>>Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.
>>
>>I'm sure Hades will be more than happy to fill you in on the details, but
>>the deal is that you first must have a RFD (crossposted to news.groups),
>>then a CFV a month after that, and then the results of the CFV a month
>>after.
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
>>A "no fanfic" rule?
>
>I know how to set up a CFV, sir.  I didn't think that a detailed description
>was necessary to point out something known by most readers here.

C'mon, is this *really* necessary?  Perhaps an uproar over this whole matter
wouldn't be an uproar if you stated your views and opinions in a better way
(ie. keep away from the nasty degrading comments?)

>
>Yep, "no fanfic".  Sounds good to me.
>
>How about this?  Rec.arts.comics.fanfic.  Then all this LNH crap would also
                                                             ^^^^
Ditto here for the above comment.  It doesn't take very much creativity to make
comments like these.....

>be off-topic in r.a.c.misc.
>
>In any case, as the numbers pile up it looks like a better and better idea all
>the time.  The vote is 40-12.
>

Count another vote for LNH.  That's 40-13 now?

->ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:45:33 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:

}Judging by the publcity, I may be the only comics fan in America
}who isn't, but I'm not.  I buy comics for enjoyment of quality
}story and art and solid storytelling, not to be jerked around
}by the phony "death" of a character everyone knows will be back
}(in a way, all this grief and mourning for Superman in the comic
}is a cruel mockery of the feelings of people who have lost a real
}person to death and know that he/she will never, ever, come back).
}If I bought this comic, I would feel that I had been taken in by
}a cheap publicity stunt.  

I certainly agree with your sentiments.  My opinion of those who run
DC Comics -- not only the management responsible for making the decision
to "kill" Superman but the so-called creative people responsible for
writing the story -- is way, way down because of this.  But I still bought
all the issues (one copy each).  I've been a fan of Superman for twenty
five years.  And while I did stop buying his comics for a while after 
Crisis, I've been getting them all regularly for the last couple of
years.  I saw no reason to stop buying just because DC decided to pull
this stupid stunt.  Regardless of how badly it's handled, it *is* still
an important milestone in the Superman mythos, and as a fan, I want to
have it in my collection.

However, I've just finished Superman #75, and for people like Bill Henley, 
let me say that you really aren't missing anything.  The lead-in issues
were disappointing, but this death issue was amazingly disappointing.
I mean, after all this, basically Supes just decides to get tough and
"Think and act like Doomsday", Doomsday cuts him a few times, Supes hits
him with a double-handed blow, and they both fall down dead.  What a
let-down. 

}As for any supposed "investment value"
}of this comic, investment value is mainly a function of rarity;
}how is a comic book which sells millions of copies which are all
}carefully saved, ever going to become rare?

Unfortunately, the reality is that rarity is often the least important
factor in determining the "value" of a comic.  Hey, if rarity were the
most important factor, then my copies of _Captain Action_ would be worth
far, far more than last week's Doomsday installment.  But because comic
value is determined more by demand (whether real or imaginary), the latter
goes for upwards of $10, while the former is essentially worthless.

The sad truth is that, at least for a while, some "collectors" will be
able to make some tidy sums off of the Doomsday saga, while some true
Superman fans will have to wait for the reprints.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:18:24 GMT

In article <1ejt60INN8a7@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.025743.16833@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>In article <6cXJ038zbcs200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>>>Before Superman died:
>>>People said, "Look, up in the sky!  It's a bird!  It's a plane! It's
>>>Superman!"
>>>
>>>After Superman died:
>>>It's pretty much narrowed down to bird or plane.
>>
>>Nah, it could be a frog.
>>
>>Or neither bird nor plane nor even frog, just li'l ol' me, Underdog.
>
>Or, it could be the Flying Pig.  Whose job it is to ease the monotony
>of standing in long lines throughout the world!!!

Possible Spoiler


I thought that Flying Pig got roasted later in the show.

My money is on a cow flung by a trebuchet.

"The fling's the thing."

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "The young peanut fought well today. He almost
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  had his opponent several times." "I'm afraid
      Don't be afraid.     |  the crowd disagrees with you. Ah! They wish my
   We're here to help you  |  decision."      _Mr Peanut in the Colosseum_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: -I KNOW WHERE GOTHAM CITY IS--
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:40:33 GMT

 Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

|> Well, for future reference, Southern New Jersey is southeast of Philly,
|> and Washington DC is southwest.  Baltimore lies directly between them,
|> however.  And Pittsburgh is on the far *west* side of Pennsylvania.
|> A better guess for Gotham would be Trenton, N.J., or maybe Allentown.
|> Having been in both, I would say Trenton is *definitely* closer to
|> the way Gotham is usually portrayed (but any city in NJ would
|> probably do :-).

Trenton doesn't fit the Gotham pastiche all that well...it doesn't have a 
harbor. The Delaware river is anywhere from 5-20 feet deep near the 
"Trenton Makes" bridge. The city across from Philly (Camden) might be a better
choice. 

As silly as this topic is, why doesn't anyone ever suggest West Coast cities?
After all "The Adventures of Superman" was filmed in California. ;)



-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:52 EST  

In article <1e6s2aINNhc2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes...
> 
>Has anyone else seen the art from Jim Lee's upcoming character, to appear
>in DARKER IMAGE (assuming Image still exists by then)?  If you haven't
>check COMIC SHOP NEWS #281, with DOOM: 2099 on the cover.  On the first
> 
>Lee has seemingly forsaken his much-imitated "little lines" style, and has
>opted for a style that's just like the one Frank Miller used on SIN CITY!
>The picture they have here is all shadows and black areas, and no lines,
>just like Miller has been doing.  The character shown is a typical Jim Lee
>ultra-macho Punisher-looking character, of course, but the style is so
>Miller it's amazing/pathetic.

Besides the Image Isaac mentioned, the only other art I've seen of Jim 
Lee's new character "Deathblow," is on the cover of Wizard #16.  Yep, it's 
Jim alright.  Well, since at least a dozen new "artists" are ripping off 
Lee's style, I guess it's Lee's turn to imitate someone else.  But, hey, 
it's okay.  Just about every artist out there has had strong influences at 
one time or another.  Lee's new Miller-style may even evolve into something 
new and refreshing someday.  Then, he'll have more of an arsenal in his 
artistic backpocket.  Of course this can only mean that there will be 
another dozen kids imitating the "new" Lee.

 - Wayne.
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Why do people HATE Image?
Organization: Writer/Artist Squids of the Poor
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:03:40 GMT

In <9211162234.AA15893@PCS.CNU.EDU> rglass@PCS.CNU.EDU (Randall Glass) writes:

>  What is the real reason many people hate Image comics?
> I think just about 90% of the people on the net hate them,
> and not one of them explaining why! (ok, maybe 75%)

That high? I think it's just some of the more frequent posters dislike
Image.

>  Is it because your favorite artist left your favorite book?

Nope. I don't think I read any of the Image artists' titles before they left.

> or that you know your favorite artist will never draw any
> Marvel character ever again? (as in mcfarlanes case).

Nope. My consumption of Marvel titles is quite low.

>  OR do you hate image for not doing anything that couldn't be
> done in a marvel comic?

Sorta. I don't really see anything special about Image titles. In fact,
in some cases I find the work below that being done at DC or Marvel.

>  ORRRR do you hate image for 'stealing' all the good talent 
> from the big 2 (3?4?5?) for their own greedy purposes?

I think we'd have a serious disagreement over what is "good talent."
 
> What are your reasons for hating Image?

I don't think I really hate Image. It's hard to hate a legal agreement
between people I really don't know. It's a bit silly to hate a business.

However, I will admit that I'm not Image's greatest fan. As I said, I think 
most of their titles, so far, have been just average. It's hardly the
brave new world we seemed to have been promised when Image was created. 
To me, it's really just more of the same, only a little later and a 
little more expensive.

That doesn't mean that it will stay that way. I'm looking forward
to Spawn 8, 9, 10 and maybe 11. From our men in Chicago, 1963 sounds like
something old and different. There's no reason that Image can't put out
a good product. I just don't think they have yet.

My one big pet peeve with Image seems to be the attitude displayed by
some of the artists. I wish they would realize that they should try to
stick to a deadline. I wish the artists would stop belittling the 
process of writing. I wish they would stop "swinging the world by the tail"
until they had gotten through a year's worth of work. 

I think the real harsh reaction to Image has been to people responding to
the heavy hype of Image. You pick up The Wizard or CBG or even the distributor
catalogs and you're hit by the Image hoopla. A lot of that hoopla has been
self-generated. I think some people just respond with equal hyperbole.
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Quick! Get behind me! I don't know what a
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  little peanut like you could do to so upset
     Absinthe makes the    |  him, but it looks like Doomsday really wants 
      time grow softer     |  to kill you"    _Mr Peanut meets Superman_