HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Lockheed Star FB-750 (fighter bike) (was: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:03:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <SHAFER.92Oct14204105@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov>,
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) wrote:
> We just bought a new car and were really tempted by the HUD that Olds
> offers.  We ended up with a car that didn't have the HUD as an option,
> but I think that having a HUD would be a hollow gesture without
> Sidewinders and a cannon (see my signature).

On a bike, that's what Fischer Price luggage is for, isn't it?


| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: cornezr@carr108.alleg.edu (Robert Cornez)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Kawasaki  EX-500
Keywords: Kawasaki
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:26:03 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Allegheny College

Will any one who is a fan of the EX and knows at least something about the  
bike E-mail me?  I have an '87 (modified, of course) and have some  
questions.  I would also like to trade stories and info.


      Bob Cornez
    
      <cornezr@alleg.edu>

   'Don't ever trust the needle"  Queensryche
From: kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:43:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Why Aerostitch instead of leather?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Keywords: brakes holes cooling
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:57:29 GMT

In article <37258@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw)
writes:
>Actually, you're both right... the drilled holes not only give the water a 
>place to go on the first sweep, they also provide cooling, and here's how:
>
>When you hit the brakes, you're using friction to stop the bike... this
>friction translates into heat quite rapidly.  The more heat buildup, the less 
>efficient the brakes are for stopping.  The faster you can brush this heat 
>off, so to speak, the more efficient the brakes are, and the faster you stop.
>
>Now, when you drill the holes through the disc, you're doing something very
>important... you're increasing surface area.  The more surface area of the 
>disc that's exposed to the air, therefore you have more heat dissapation.
>
>The actual mathematics I could provide, however, for brevity (strange concept
>on here, I know...) I'm gonna skip 'em for now.

Unfortunately, you've sacrificed accuracy in the name of
brevity.  If the hole diameter is larger than the thickness
of the rotor, the surface area decreases when holes are
drilled.

Holes in rotors:

  - Look trick.

  - Allow rain water to wet the pads, because each hole carries
    a drop in.

  - Allow gases produced by hard braking to escape.

  - Decrease the mass and thus the heat capacity of the rotor,
    so, all else being equal, it will run hotter.

  - Make the rotor lighter.

  - Make the rotor weaker.

  - Cause funny wear patterns in rotors and pads.

As you can see, the benefits of drilling rotors may be
mixed.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klos@interlan.interlan.com (Patrick Klos)
Subject: Re: 1965 Triumph Bonneville
Organization: Klos Technologies, Inc. (603) 424-0138
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.185916.3725@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
>Subject: Re: 1965 Triumph Bonneville
>Date: 15 Oct 92 18:59:16 GMT
>In article <1992Oct15.180208.6033@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>>klos@interlan.interlan.com (Patrick Klos):
>>>I have a 1965 Triumph Bonneville in MINT condition.  Does anyone have any
>>>idea what it would be worth.  I think it has less than 15K miles.  I'm
>>>pretty sure most everything is original.  I appreciate any responses.
>>
>>About $5. $10 if you pay the shipping.
>>
>>
>>_____________________________________________________________________________
>>Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
>>dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.
>
>Will the noise every end?  The real answer is between $1000 and $3000 
>depending on how original the bike is.  An original not so mint bike
>will be worth more than a mint condition, but not original, bike.
>Incidently, 15K miles on a Bonny may mean that it is due for piston
>rings and/or a valve job.
>
>
>
>--
>      Michael L. Johnson
>      mlj8e@virginia.edu

Very FUNNY contestant number one!  Thanks for your insight, contestant 
number two.  When I say "most everything is original", I mean it'd be hard 
to find anything on the bike that's not.  It's been very well maintained 
over the years.  I inherited the bike from my dad, who's been offered $10K 
for it in the past.  I just thought I'd get a few current opinions.

Patrick
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bw4Du9.Jyt@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v058l789@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk) writes...
>In article <92Oct14.151535.15488@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes...
>>Okay, denizens...If you caould only have 5 bikes in your garage,
>>what would they be?
>> 
>>My list: Ducati 900ss (no, *not* the recent one, bozo)
>>         Honda VFR750 (bright red)
>>         Harley Softail Springer
>>         Yamaha RZ350 (already got one...)
>>         Norton Manx
>>-- 
>	Wow,  thats a good one... I like 'em all.
>	Forgive me, but I'm a young 'un and don't get much into the old
>Nortons and Triumphs or brit bikes in general.
>	But here is what I'd have for a 5 bike garage:
> 
>	Ducati 900ss (YES, the new one, bozo)
>	Kaw ZX-11 (I don't *think* I need to explain...)
>	Yamaha FZR 750 (c'mon, they can do wheelies on the N.Y. state thruway!)
>	An old Harley-- I like lots of 'em
>	BMW K1 (they just look Sooooo good)
> 
>					Ethan Bowerman
>					DoD #682
	WAIT WAIT WAIT!  I screwed up... pop the Harley and put a Honda
CBR900RR in there.  Sorry, Harley people, but the CBR900 is a killer
	In response to another post, I will have to put in an honorable mention
because I just can't bear to leave them out.
	Kaw ZX-7R (your right, they are a bitchin lookin' bike)
	CBR600F2  (So much for so little...)

					Ethan Bowerman
					DoD #682
From: cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:31:29 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs
NNTP-Posting-Host: eno.wpd.sgi.com


In article <1992Oct13.170754.10451@news.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu writes:
|The fact that they are selling their entire production WITHOUT
|making sportbikes suggests that if they wanted to make more money,
|the obvious route would be to make more of the bikes that they
|are currently making, rather than trying to develop a new machine
|in a market with which they have little experience.

What about cafe racers?

But an editorial article in one of this month's motorcycle
magazines (I forget which one) called for Harley to start
building performance-oriented bikes again.  Apparently the
editor got enough letters from people wanting that kind of
bike from Harley that he felt they'd make plenty of money.
It does seem obvious that HD doesn't *need* that extra market,
since it is doing so well in its current market.

---
cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"I hate it when you want a coke from the coke machine but it's the 
kind of coke machine without an ethernet connection so you have to 
walk over there yourself."  --Sho Kuwamoto
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:53:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:

>The F model might be ok, but I would stay away from the K model.  They were 
>real wobblers.  Serious speed wobbles anytime you hit a bump (1/4"= a bump) 
>at high speed (80 or 90 mph or so).  It didn't feel to stable over 65 to
>me.  The owner of the bike got used to it and would go blasting past
>at 100 mph with the taillight shaking back and forth 6".  

Wait a minute.
Are you making this claim based on the one bike?
I never had this problem that you talk about.
(1979 Honda CB750K)
Although there did seem to be a problem with
swing arm bushings (on all 1979's) if they were neglected.
I think they went to bearings in 1980.

                                                           The shifter
>has a long throw and you have to be very deliberate with it not to miss
>shifts.  The engines seemed pretty reliable.

Agree
-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
From: weaver@castor (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Red-hot pipes of fire
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:39:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <1992Oct13.231856.10983@athena.cs.uga.edu> weaver@castor (Mike Weaver) writes:
>Yes.  This is in fact what is causing your leak. Clean ALL of that old
>gasket off before installing the cover. Oh, get another new gasket too.
>Use a wire brush if you have to .
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Yo, dip shit, don't use metal on metal. Use a solvent!

 Gawd, what an idiot!

:)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            |"Where ever you go, There will be something in your
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | way." --Banzai Clutter Theorm
DoD#0529    KotGB         | 1982 Yamaha Vision 550 --  It's feeling better.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Red-hot pipes of fire
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:47:14 GMT

c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:

>Lotta comedians in this business.  Lotta comedians.  The S-N ration keeps
>going doooown.                                               ^^^^^^

Ah! You've found the source of the problem. Signal, being an extremely
valuable commodity, has seen demand far outstrip supply. In attempt to
be fair, the net.gods instituted a rationing scheme a while back and it
was working fairly well. But the recent influx of newbies and .edu's has
overtaxed the system, and each poster's ration of signal has become
perilously small.

(Never post a spelling flame when you can post a spelling gag instead. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:46:03 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Oct8.135124.24873@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>>Some months ago Road Rider did scratch tests on various face
>>shields.  As I recall Shoei was the most scratch resistant, with
>>Arai a real close second and the rest of the manufacturers a distant
>>third.  The only thing that seriously scratched my Shoei was a face
>>plant on asphalt at about 40. :-(
>
>You know, if you wore an open face helmet instead of a full face, you
>wouldn't have to worry about scratching up your face shield like that.
>:-)

Gotta wear a full face.  My mug is ugly already.  Don't need to risk
making it worse.  =:-O

Ride Free,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC 
AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002  SR= 2.125
Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 740GLE  KotV KotRR KotD #0001  :-)
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Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:35754 ba.motorcycles:552 rec.bicycles.soc:557
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:23:35 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization


 gregory adkins (akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
 : While riding my bicycle, anything from people swerving to a short honk
 : while I'm not paying attention can startle me and potentially cause
 : an accident

i'm a little confused.  if you're sharing the road with other
vehicles, why would you not be paying attention?  what do you do when
you come upon an unexpected non-(motorcycle|car) hazard? 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Blue over blue pipes
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:03:11 GMT

In article <Stafford-071092105019@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
> > I read somewhere that too rich of a mixture can also blue the pipes.  The
> > extra unburnt fuel continues burning in the pipe and creates extra heat
> 
> >
> No, that's from creosote build up.  You do burn wood in that Hawg,
> don't you?

Nope.  Coal.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:40:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

>In article <1afidjINN35f@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>In no particular order, here are some things I've been wondering about...

>>6.  What was the ugliest motorcycle ever produced?  (New, not ratted out.)

I would have to say that the ugliest bike I've ever seen would
have to be the buell rr1000. It's a nice bike, actually, I talked
to a guy who owned one, but it is *ugly*.

After that, probably the Yamaha Seca Turbo. It looks like it was
designed by reflecting a motorcycle into a fun house mirror, and
then tracing the outlines.

IMHO the most attractive bikes I've ever seen are the Ducati
Hailwood replica, the 1983 Suzuki GS400E model (the bright red
one), The Harley Softail Springer, an,d the new Yamaha Seca II.

The most comical bikes would have to be the BMW boxers and
the Honda Pacific Coast.

Charles
DoD 0.001
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Impact drivers
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 02:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.170816.27320@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>
>>CORRECT USE OF IMPACT DRIVER:
>>Before you use an impact driver to attempt to rotate a screw, you must SEAT
>>THE BIT in the screw.  That is, with the thing set to a non-torque mode, give
>>it a good whap with the hammer, driving the bit straight into the screw.
>>THEN set it for torque and hit it again.  How, you ask, do I set it for no
>>torque?  Turn it in the direction that a hammer blow will drive it until it
>>reaches the end of rotation... no rotation upon hammer blow yields no torque.
>
>Or just set the bit into the screw, whack it into place, then put the
>impact driver over the bit.

Good info all.  Just a simple addendum.  Whacking a frozen screw or nut
will often "unfreeze" it enough to remove it without using the Impact Driver.
Get a bar of brass or aluminum or other soft metal and use it as the probe.
Don't use a hardened steel widget as a probe as you might break off rather
than break loose.  Just a thought.

Ride Free, and hit loose?

Bill
________________________________________________________________
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC 
AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002  SR= 2.125
Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 740GLE  KotV KotRR KotD #0001  :-)
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There are many paths to truth.  Don't die choosing.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Quality metric fasteners
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:20:11 GMT

I'm looking for a US distributer of metric fasteners of known quality.
I'm worried about counterfits, so I would like to purchase high
strength bolts and stuff in small quantities through a manufactures
rep.

There was a thread here awhile back regarding this and someone
mentioned a supplier that represented a German company that produced
quality metric fasteners.  Any domestic manufactures of metric
fasteners in existance would also be of particular interest to me.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:58:27 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <BD.92Oct12135536@fluent.UUCP>, by bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby):
> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>>yourselves in such a mess?
> 
> What's your point, Nick?  John did say "If I have to shoot someone with 
> my .357, I will shoot for the center of the chest, and they won't get 
> back up. Hopefully, that won't ever have to happen."  Is it this desire
> to *not* to have to shoot somebody which makes you wonder about the
> state of the country?  What do Brits say, "I hope I get the chance
> to shoot someone today?"
> -- 
>    Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
>                          bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        

I think the point was that here in the UK, you don't carry guns to
your local supermarket in case you get mugged. In fact, hardly anybody
carries guns, only armed robbers (and sometimes they are fake!)

It's not about the *desire* to shoot somebody, it's about carrying the
guns in the first place.....

Antony.
DoD#1832
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: schramb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Brian Schram)
Subject: 71 triumph bonneville
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:18:55 GMT

There is such a bike for sale here for a few hundred dollars, and i'm
not at all familar with them.  I think they are very cool bikes, but
i'm not sure what i'm getting into.  can someone give me some ideas
what to look for, or whether or not these are decent bikes.
e-mail would be greatly appreciated cause we're having problems
reading news here.  thanks
-brian
schramb@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Please ignore this, too, my poster's broke...
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:08:30 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

>Rolland Waters (rwaters@spdg.com) wrote:
> Since you didn't, maybe you can help me out. I just got this bike, and
> the chain's a little loose.  It's hitting the stay above the sprocket
> and it's chipping the paint.  Should I repaint it?  What kind of
> paint?  The guy who sold me the bike said I should just spray the
> chain with water, and after it rusted up it would be stiffer and not
> flop around so much.  Is this true?  Will moving the rear wheel back
> work instead?  Please help, I wanna go ride.
> 
> 
> Rolland
> 
>
Moving the rear back is REAL hassle, I've tried it a few times myself. Most
bikes come with slotted engine bolts, so you can just loosen the bolts, and
slide the whole engine forward a few millimetres.  This is way way racers are
designed, because you then don't need to have a centre stand to adjust your
chain.

The only problem with the engine move method is that the carbs tend to get
shifted too, whereas the airbox is usually mounted to the frame (well it is
on my bike). This means you need some play in the carb rubbers, which can take
up the difference in engine-airbox position. Incidentally, this is why a lot
of racers run with bellmouths (no carb rubbers). It's obviously true that
racing improves the breed.

Regards,

============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed?".
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Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: delilah@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't trigger traffic lights
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:31:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Oct8.213106.29332
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <klp.718572850@reg> klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang) writes:
> In <1992Oct7.191402.17542@wam.umd.edu> delilah@next09epsl.wam.umd.edu  
(Romeo DeVerona) writes:
> 
> .....
> >stayed late; for securtiy, the place was completely fenced in, and at  
> >night, they had electronic gates closed; keycard access from outside,  
> >electronic triggered from the inside. except, i couldn't trigger them.  
i  
> >didn't know my friend's phone or apartment numbers (we went in  
together,  
> >new apartment) and the complex office was closed. luckily, after a mere  
5  
> >minutes or so, a car came in and i was able to leave by the "in" gate.  
> >still, i wonder... what recourse would i have had i been stuck all  
night?
> >(maybe i should charge the complex w/ attempted kidnapping..)
> >comments? suggestions?
> 
> >-D-
> 
> Did you look for a switch on the wall? I was in the same situation once
> and while I was bitching away I saw a box with open and close buttons on  
the 
> wall. I think every apartment garge should have the same thing as a 
> safety/testing device.
> 
> Check it out and please let me know.
> 
> klp

yep. got off the bike, tried to open gates by hand (couldn't), looked all  
around for any kind of manual switch (wasn't any), looked for any  
sidewalk-type openings i could ride out by (weren't any). i was stuck.

-D-
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