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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.183329.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK) writes:
>There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball
>team and how easily they won but you have to consider the fact that
>the U.S.S.R. and the Yugoslavian team weren't together as a complete
>force.
>
>I was disappointed with the teams performance after waiting three years
>to see them play. I think that the problem is that there is quite a bit
>of glamour and hipe that goes along with the N.B.A. so everyonbe thinks that
>it is the best league on earth but I strongly believe that the australian
>N.B.L. is a better hardcore league. see the aust league is more of a 
>blue collar than finess league and so doesn't get quite as much publicity
>
>I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
>played.
>
>They even look better on paper
>
>Luc Longely is aparently one of the biggest stars in the N.B.A
>
>Andrew Gaze scores 44ppg as opposed to MJ 29ppg
>
>The Australians also have "LEEPING" LEROY Loggins, The general Phil Smyth
>and the thunderbolt Damian Keogh.
>
>They have more power, the elephant Andrew Vlahov would have too much strength
>for Barkley or Malone.
>
>You will probably read tyhis and think that it is B.S but I what both leagues
>you probably haven't seen the ausralians play.  

    It may not be BS, but it sure is funny....
From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:49:36 GMT

In article <6bgZ03gl591W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>As a follow on to my already controversial discussion about what it will take
>to beat future Dream Teams I was engaged in an email discussion with someone
>and the thought occurred to me that one the big excuses people have been using
>to explain the U.S. dominance in hoops was the huge population advantage. Of 
>course those people were strangely silent about China's 5-1 population 
>advantage over ther U.S. or the Soviet Union's 50 million+ population 
>advantage. It did give me an idea for another angle to analyze this litte 
>question. Let's come up with a series of gold-medal winning, Home-State teams.
>The rules of the game are simple. You simply try to put together a team of 
>stars, all of whom hail from the same state... being born there is not a 
>requirement but they have to have played at least their high-school ball there. 
>
>
> I'll start with my home state
>
>	Florida
>	Starter 		Backup
>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
>				Mychal Thompson
>PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
>SG	Vernon Maxwell		Andrew Moten
>PG	Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery
>
>	North Carolina  
>	Starter 		Backup
>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>PF	Bailey			Reid
>SF	Worthy			
>SG	Jordan			
>PG	?????			Bogues? 
>
Ok, here goes (I'm from Florida too, but I'll take a shot at NC also)...

FLORIDA		starter			backup

Center		Dave Cowens		Artis Gilmore (Jacksonville)
PF		Livingston Chapman	?
SF		Rick Barry		George McCloud
SG		Vernon Maxwell		Rodenko Dobras (USF)
PG		Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery

NORTH CAROLINA	starter			backup

Center		Brad Daugherty		Mark West (Old Dominion)
PF		James Worthy		J. R. Reid
SF		Walter Davis		Billy Cunningham
SG		Michael Jordan		David Thompson (NC State)
PG		Phil Ford		?
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From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Toni Kukoc
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:39:46 GMT


Nobody has commented about the second Croatia game where I believe that
Kukoc's line read something like 16 points, (3-5 3pts), 9 assists, 5
bounds and a couple of turnovers.  That, friends, is an excellent game
against such opposition.  Give him the time, and he will get better.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:16:13 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Ltf-t#A@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>Magic and Bird.....now the current GOD is from NC....don't forget 
>who put him there.......
>
I think I know what you're getting at, but I'd like to be sure. What
do Magic, Bird, Indiana and Michigan have to do with putting Michael
Jordan where he is today?

Do you think he would be less of a star if they never existed? There
would be 2 less recent stars to compare him to so he would be even
more revered. Michael got to where he is on his own, sure the NBA
took off with the entrance of Magic and Michael, but it had a lot to
do with the marketing strategies of David Stern and relaxing certain
rules of the game to create more fan interest.

Michael would have been a megastar with or without Bird and Magic.
the league as a whole would have suffered without them, but Mike
wouldn't have.




Russ Smith
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"I have a limo, I ride in the back. I lock the doors in case I'm attacked".
I live in hotels, tear out the wall. I have accountants pay for it all".

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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Pippen and DT (was Re: Couple of thoughts..)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:41:40 GMT


In a previous article, wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas) says:

>
>Let's just assume for the sake of argument that Dominique had been 
>selected instead of Pippen.  Now let's assume (just for the sake of
>argument that both Stockton and Magic went down with injuries (I know
>thatit was unlikely); who plays point guard?  Well, Jordan, but then
>who?  Nique?  Drexler?  Neither of them had ever done it before;
>neither of them have ever been mentioned as among the best defensive
>players in the NBA.  I know this scenario was unlikely to have occurred
>but maybe, just maybe, the selectors knew what they were doing, and
>maybe, just maybe, you people who think that Nique (who never passes
>the ball unless he can get an assist) really should have been on the
>team instead of Pippen) don't know what you are talking about.
>

And maybe some of us do.  Yes, Drexler can play the point; he's just hadn't
have to did that much since the Blazers have Terry Pointer.  He probably
could have done a better job than Pippen.  As for defense, there are many 
players who are solid defenders that don't ever get mentioned.  DOminique
could have pulled his weight defensively -- no question.

OF course, Joe Dumars is also a viable DT candidate...
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA 127 - LIT 76
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:57:41 GMT


I saw this game again on the Spanish language station around here, and
what impressed me was how two US players dominated the game without 
shooting.  The players: Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.  Bird dominated
with his passing and court sense, and Jordan with his defense, passing
and scoring (when he wanted to score).
From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Questionnaire Results (PPV)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Garden Lane Software


 I want to , first of all, thank all the people who responded to
my inquiry about Pay-Per-View in the NBA. I have heard from fans
of the following teams :

 Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Denver, Golden St.,
Houston, LA Clippers, LA Lakers, Miami, Milwaukee, New Jersey
New York, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Salt Lake
and Washington

 Accounting for 19 of the 27 NBA teams. Four of these teams have
been reported to be involved with PPV by at least two people. 
Sixteen are carried on some form of cable channel, most of which
are part of basic cable. All but two show playoff games on free
TV. In the case of the two , one is shown on a Premium cable
channel and one is shown on a pay-per-view basis.

 I would still love to hear from the other eight cities (like,
for example Seattle ?), so I'm including the questionnaire in
hopes of picking up more info. I'd also like any information
about what the premium channels cost and what the pay-per-view
cost is in cities who have it.


 1. What NBA city and team are you reporting for ?

 2. Is this team involved in Pay Per View (Yes or No)?

 3. Are all playoff games not carried by TNT or NBC available
    on "free" TV (Yes or No) ?

 4. If your answer to question two is yes, I'd be interested in
    any specifics you might add. Include whatever comments, opinions
    or perceptions you want to and have time for. 

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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
	<1992Aug18.191136.40466@uvmark.uucp>
	<1992Aug19.171648.14738@infonode.ingr.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:37:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171648.14738@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:

   >In article <1992Aug18.191136.40466@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
   >>In article <1992Aug18.150120.24198@bmerh85.bnr.ca> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
   >>>In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
   >>
   >>
   >>  If you dislike the conversations between Ed and myself, kill files
   >> work well, so does skipping the articles. 

   > Just a quick question- What do you guys have against email? Why waste the
   > bandwidth?

DITTO --- It costs us all.  Please keep the nonsense to yourselves.

ah
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor (Dave's Final Comments)
Keywords: HACKED!
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug23.021000.66222
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.


Alright Ed, I am officially bored.  You have shown your complete stupidity
to me enough, and I have been stupid enough to continue this stupid discussion
way too long.  We are getting no where, except for your admissions of your
screw ups.  I realize that you will now come back and reply that I "wimped"
out, and that I lied because I said I will argue until "judgement day" and
all, which is fine.  It seems to make you happy, and with the miserable
existance you seem to lead, any happiness we can provide for you is great.
And yes, I fully expect a reply to all my posts today as well as this one,
and yes, unless you say something that really annoys me, I will let you have
the last say.  This argument is even worse than the previous ones, because
you have done nothing but deal with interpretation of comments and other 
stupid points.  It has not dealt with basketball for quite some time (as
opposed to the Isiah/Stockton, which though annoying, at least dealt with
basketball).  So, I will spare the net our annoying arguments.  And, don't 
worry, I will be sparing with you agin sometime soon.

Till the next annoying argument

TaTa
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Roberts can't be traded!
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug18.154443.53257
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <92231.073725KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>   In Stanley Roberts offer sheet was a no-trade clause, so all this
>speculation is for nothing, unless Stanley wants to leave.  This year was the
>nastiest as far as offer sheets that we have seen.  The Knicks front loaded
>their offer with Harvey Grant, to mess with the Bullets salary cap and the
>Mavericks pull the no-trade stunt on Orlando.

From what I understand, it isn't a "no-trade" clause, in that he can't be 
traded, but more that he has the right of refusal of any trade, and that he
can't be traded unless he agrees to it.

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:16:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

As a follow on to my already controversial discussion about what it will take
to beat future Dream Teams I was engaged in an email discussion with someone
and the thought occurred to me that one the big excuses people have been using
to explain the U.S. dominance in hoops was the huge population advantage. Of 
course those people were strangely silent about China's 5-1 population 
advantage over ther U.S. or the Soviet Union's 50 million+ population 
advantage. It did give me an idea for another angle to analyze this litte 
question. Let's come up with a series of gold-medal winning, Home-State teams.
The rules of the game are simple. You simply try to put together a team of 
stars, all of whom hail from the same state... being born there is not a 
requirement but they have to have played at least their high-school ball there. 


 I'll start with my home state

	Florida
	Starter 		Backup
Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
				Mychal Thompson
PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
SG	Vernon Maxwell		Andrew Moten
PG	Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery

	North Carolina  
	Starter 		Backup
Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
PF	Bailey			Reid
SF	Worthy			
SG	Jordan			
PG	?????			Bogues? 

	

	
-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:58:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92232.065842IOR
 <1992Aug17.142511.33071@uvmark.uucp> <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
 <1992Aug18.183103.18553@infonode.ingr.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug18.183103.18553@infonode.ingr.com>,
nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave
>Meeks) writes:
>>Ed,
>>
>>  It's time we finally settle this dispute.  I'm sure that normal people on
>>the net are getting sick and tired of reading endless posts from the two
>>of us about a meaningless situation.  ^^^^^^^
>
> Have normal people actually been reading this?

  Doesn't matter; the message you replied to is a lie.
The pinheads involved haven't the self-control necessary
to achieve toilet training, much less end an argument.

Tom Hyer

/Meeks/Kh:j
/l/Kh:j
/o/Kh:j
/r/Kh:j
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: HACKED!
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug20.143224.67372
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.192002.22868@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.202609.22043@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>
>But I found evidence that he considered the play as "bad call", "call
>that the refs gives", and an instance of a type that is home job.

Lets revisit.. A "bad call" which was used as sarcasm and "call that the refs
gives" was in reference to the TYPES OF THINGS.  Where is the "evidence"
>
>Yet Meeks' only capable defense so far is "he didn't consider the play
>bogus".

Nope.  Defense centers around:
1) Didn't say the play was bogus
2) Only claimed the type of things were nothing more than home jobs ....
3) Stated that I would not argue with you including the Bird 3ptr as an 
   instance, which is different than my agreeing with it.
4) The fact that I have denied the Bird 3ptr being bogus/home job/anything else
   about a hundred times
5) ...
>
>>so no net.truth.  and now Meeks has to carry around a millstone saying that
>>he thinks the 3-ptr was not a homejob, forever onward.  
>Yep, by saying that 
>
>1) the 3-ptr was not bogus  -- an irrelevant point

But you equated bogus and home job to be the same things

>2) the 3-ptr was can't be an instance of a type (calls for the home team that
>   we argue for a month) I consider bogus because 
>
>   a) he doesn't think it's bogus  -- try to support the notion that 
>      Meeks == Lor.
>   b) the 3-ptr doesn't belong to the type (calls for the home team that
>      we argue for a month) -- distortion
>

No one said that the 3ptr can't be an instance of the type YOU consider bogus.
But you already admitted that the call was not bogus.  Talk about inconsistency
Ed.. 
>
>>  which teams are "the other teams", Ed?
>Who cares? 

Well, those of us who have listened to your drone for awhile...
>
>>  Minnesota?  Miami?  Sacramento?
>>  all 26 others?  except LA & Chicago?  Portland & Detroit?  New York?
>>  Philadelphia? Cleveland?  which ones?  over what time span?
>Over the whole Bird/Magic era, the Celtics have got more favoritism than
>all other teams with one possible exception. That's due to an admission
>that there exist superstar favoritism. You can't use the Kings' one
>Mitch Richmond for one season to match against the Big Three's 12 seasons.

So, now you are making another claim... Prove it.  Prove that the Celtics
received more favoritism than "all other teams with one possible exception"
during the whole Bird/Magic era.  Let's see the proof.  
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VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: Alex Blackwell
Summary: NBA vs. CBA
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:31:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


Ok, someone remind me how this works:

Alex Blackwell (ex-forward for the Monmouth University....MonMouths?) was 
just picked #2 in the CBA draft (by the Wichita Falls....Falling Wichitas?).
On the same day, he was signed to the Los Angeles Lakers. 

So....what happens? He warms the bench for the Lakers until they say "enough",
then he goes to the CBA and plays for Wichita Falls? Do both teams have rights
to him if he goes ahead and signs some sort of contract with Wichita Falls, 
or is that illegal? I mean, I guess the only incentive he'd have to consider 
the CBA is insurance for the likelihood that he'll be cut from the Lakers. 

(Yeah, yeah, I know there are some Monmouth fans out there who are SURE he'll
be an NBA star. Where the heck IS Monmouth anyway? New Jersey? What conference
are they in?)
                                        -stuart@apollo.hp.com


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From: deand@sequent.com (Dean Davison)
Subject: Re: Olympic hoops referees
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:25:46 GMT

In article <362.41.uupcb@smurfbbs.uucp> troy.beck@smurfbbs.uucp (Troy Beck)  writes:
>Just to get something straight, DA BULLS, If ever such a game could be
>lined up, would totally kill the dream team.

OK.  I will ask the question.  In such a game, would Jordon and Pippen
play against themselves or would that disrupt the time-space continum?
Would Pippen be able to outplay himself?  Would Jordon become
embarrased at his total inability to guard himself?

These and other questions on:  Dream Team Too, Exercises in
Existentialism.
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: ALL STATE OF MICHIGAN TEAM!!!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:16:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <FZIMMERM.92Aug18081146@csd630a.erim.org> fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman) writes:
>Tell us how the Heat are
>doing this summer.  DId they have a rookie camp?  Did Harold Miner
>show?

It's been a quiet summer for the Heat.  Yes, they did have a rookie camp, and
"hosted" the Southern Rookie League (Orlando, Atlanta, and Charlotte also 
participated). No, Miner did not show.  Miami had several solid performers
during the camp and league (sorry, I didn't keep a copy of the stats),
including Morris (who has signed a contract to play in Israel), and Geiger.

Other than that, the only news has been Miami's attempt to sign Roberts.
More news on the Roberts front: the Heat have just reported that they were
contacted by Orlando about a trade for Roberts.  The Magic deny the report.
One of the reasons that Roberts turned down Miami's offer sheet earlier
this summer was that the Heat insisted on including weight and off-season
conditioning clauses in the contract.

Tom@Orlando
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Retraction, regarding Karl Malone
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:59:41 GMT

A few weeks ago, I tossed off an incidental remark about
how the two Jazz Olympians are "marginal Hall-of-Famers".
Various people called me to task.  On further reflection,
I've decided it *was* a mistake:  I can't think of a
power forward appreciably better than Karl Malone (McHale?
not Debusschere (sp?).  Lucas?  Pettit?  One suspects that
Bird, Erving, McGinnis, McAdoo, and E. Johnson *could* have
been better, but they played other roles).  Go ahead,
r.s.b.p netters: we've hashed over who were the best centers,
scorers, Ainge-biters, and so on.  Who was the best big
forward?
-- 

Cameron Laird
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