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From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.182901.13892@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>Also the fact is U.S. government has expressed many times for opposition of 
>>>Taiwan Independence. And China is not Iraqi, Lybia, or Panama. Military 
>>>confrontation with China can be very costly to the U.S. 
>>>
>
>But U.S. has also expressed countless times that Taiwan's problem should be
>resolved peacefully. One comment to those stubborn Chinese, westerners
>believe people are granted the right to live, to decide their own future,
>to make decisions on their own business. Taiwanese are granted to decide
>and choose whatever they want to do. It's none of China's business, period.
>
>Not as costly as what American have lost in WWI, WWII, Korea war, Vietnan
>war, or even the recent Gulf war. BTW, what is the cost of freedom and
>democracy ?
>
>>>Since tension in the East Asia region has been greatly reduced these several 
>>>years, U.S. has no reason to recognize Taiwan Independence at the risk of 
>>>her own interest.
>
>Freedom and democracy is the central of American's interest.
>If you think American will trade business opportunity with freedom and
>democracy, give me a break.
>
>Yi-Chieh

You are day-dreaming and living in a fantacy-world having been completely
fooled by the so-called freedom and democracy propaganda. 
The truth is that America always acts in its own interests(global 
geopolytical and economic balance). Freedom and Democray are just
convenient tools to shut others up, fool people like you, and
making everyone in this country feel good.
SO GO ON DAY DREAMING.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12328 soc.culture.korean:3839
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:01:30 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <1992Aug23.164210.25134@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <9223618.1419@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>The subject line says it all...
>>
>>all you f***ing d*ckhead, selfish, dishonest, friend-betraying
>>Koreans...
>>
>>I'll never ever buy ANY Korean product from now on.... whether
>>it's car or noodles or cheap pirate/rip-off Taiwan-designed
>>computers... and I'll encourage all my friends to do so.
>>
>>you d*ckheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>yes, for some reason, I feel that I'm becoming a racist....
>>for good reason, too!
>>
>>Recognizing PRC is one thing, but at the expense of a long-time
>>friendship is another.
>
>You racist!
>

Not only he is, here's another one.

>As if all Koreans favored breaking the relationship with Taiwan...
>

So what?

>You can flame the Korean *government* all you want, but leave out the racist
>stuff.

No, I, a guy from Taiwan, won't do so.  Since I know that nothing's constant
in the world, I will be waiting for S. Korea bend his knees to the Chinese 
government in Taiwan someday.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:54:06 GMT

In article <BtrxC2.7Dx@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>
>I don't quite understand you guys' questions.
>Is Taiwan an independent nation or a sub-state of another nation now?
>
>If Taiwan is not an independent nation now, than who
>is Taiwanese Head Master?
>
>If Taiwan is an independent Nation now, why all the fuss about
>Taiwan's Independent?
>
>Now come to real question.
>
>If Taiwan is an independent Nation, than who makes you believe
>that Taiwan is not an independent Nation, who makes you smart
>educated guys brain washed?
>
>Taiwan is THE independent Nation and KMT & CCP make us
>believe Taiwan is part of China.
>
>The fact is Taiwan is an independent country over hundred years.
>

Although Taiwan is politically running like an independant country, such
as it has a passport, consulate etc., but it cannot be recognised by
most of other countries in the world.  The governemnt in Taiwan does not
think Taiwan itself is a country and the government represents Taiwan
ONLY.  In a sense, officially, you cannot see any balck-and-white paper
or whatsoever saying "Taiwan is an independant country itself".
This is like the story about "Mr. Zhen Cheng Gon" who was the general of
Ming danasty in Taiwan.  Neither Ching danasty nor Mr. Zhen himself
thought that Taiwan was a new danasty.  Isn't that a similar scene 
now.

Regards.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: jeffho@eecs.nwu.edu (Chuen-Hsuen Jeff Ho)
Subject: Re: Don't ride MARTA (Atlanta)
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:41:21 GMT

Is it true that "Japanese tourists and students are allowed to enter USA 
without any VISA and travel document" ?  Teach me.
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Date: 4 Sep 1992 09:45:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep4.133004.9857@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>Well, I WAS a TI supportor.  Maybe I was too young.  I used to support
>Dang3(party)Wai4(outer) and donate my money to them back to the 70's.  When
>I came to U.S. I still jointed TI meetings. Ironically , I found a rule
>"CCP= KMT= TI".  
>It is strange they fight each other, but they are so similar.  They are so
>narrow minded, they are so power hunger, and they are so blood thirsty. 
>Somebody tell me it is Chinese nature, and they are Chinese so they share
>the same character.  Somebody say it is human nature.  People got to "eat"
>people that is the way to eliminate the "weaker" and keep the society
>stronger.  Somebody say it is animal nature.  See even monkeys in the zoo
>will fight for power.

Hmmm... You are the first TI supporter I ever know to change mind.  I have
some question ...

Who are those Dang3(party)Wai4(outer) candidates you voted for during the
70's ?  There were not many of them during that time.  It must be very
easy to remember.

What were those TI meetings you attended ?  Who were in charge ?
What kind of organization was it ?
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:35:09 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug27.225137.24538@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
> In article <14786@borg.cs.unc.edu> chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu) writes:
>>
>>*** It sounds like it is ROC government's claim that puts so many countries
>>    to recognize (or acknowledge, whatever) Taiwan is part of China (which 
>>    in their words means PRC). If ROC is so small that can be ignored,
>>    why its claim can be so effective?
>>
> The claim is not effective but the claim is too huge to be ignored.  Few
> states in the world would recognize Estonia if she claims Russia as part
> of her territory.
> 
> TY Huang

	** Inappropriate analogy. Shame on you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: klai@jman.dco.dec.com (Kwo-Long Lai)
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestion
Organization: DEC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:56:29 GMT

Eric Law, Geology Department (ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	   Taiwan never have independence problem, before, now,
: 	   and future.

Having been US for such a long time, I've learned an old saying: 

                Never say never! :-)

--

 -kl 

 Kwo-Long Lai                               klai@jman.dco.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corporation             
 (703)876-5421
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korea,soc.culture.china
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Economical Statistics about Taiwan, S. Korea, China
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:06:30 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.223431.8932@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.023602.10104@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>>Dear netters,
>>
>>    The following economical statistics table for your referance.
>>
>>Timothy Cheng
>>--------------
>>txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu
>>
>>
>>Source: University of Maryland at College Park Information Database
>>
>>Item/Country         |    Taiwan      |    S. Korea    |    China
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>Population (7/92)    |   20,658,702   |   43,134,386   |  1,151,486,981
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>Export (Billion USD) |                |                |
>>       (1991)        |      67.2      |      65        |     62.1
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>Import (Billion USD) |                |                |
>>       (1991)        |      54.7      |      70        |     53.4
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>External debt        |                |                |
>>(Billion USD, 1990)  |       1.1      |      31.7      |      51
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>GNP  (Billion USD)   |     150.8      |      238       |     413
>>---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
>>GNP per capita (USD) |     7380       |     5600       |     370
>>
>Bullshit measure for economic power--GNP!

If not, then by what?

>exchange rate between U.S. dollar and German mark has dropped from 2.4
>Mark/dollar to 1.4 Mark/dollar. is U.S. 40%(=1/2.4) percent less powerful just
>for that, economically?

Ok, let's use Mark as exchange unit and based on your rate (Mark/dollar to 1.4)
then, 

Item/Country         |    Taiwan      |    S. Korea    |    China
---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
GNP  (Billion Mark)  |     211.12     |      333.2     |     578.2
---------------------+----------------+----------------+-----------------
GNP per capita (Mark)|     10332      |      7840      |     518

It's Friday. :-)

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen)
Subject: Re: F16 to Taiwan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:47:43 GMT
Keywords: F16

I am pretty sure it'll be the F-16 C/Ds.  Why would Taiwan buy 150 planes with
worse avionics with their own IDF fighter??  What do other people think?

Steve Chen
scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12475 soc.culture.korean:4000
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:20:36 -0600
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <Aug.26.10.41.01.1992.10682@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> 
>   Don't worry. I think S. Korea already recognized N. Korea as an
>   independent country. Two flags in front of U.N. building, you know.
>   We are not as stubborn as you guys. We are trying to work things out
>   with N. Korea for reunification. I guess you guys need to learn a
>   lesson from your old friend.

>   Heck, who cares where you are born? We could come across on 42nd St.
>   and become friends.  
>   Everything is changing as time goes. 
> 
> Jung S. Lee

	** Stubborn means holding principle.

	   You are not stubborn means you are drifting by short
	   benefits.

	   Whatever you do, you can't make a friend over 80 years
	   this way.

	   If that is all you want, your life has no value.

	   Enjoy your valueless life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:08:00 GMT

In article <Aug.26.10.21.20.1992.9023@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.185028.10446@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>> In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>> 
>> Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
>> 
>>   Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
>> 
>> R.O.C. Air Force
>> (Just for entertainment)
>
>You must be fucking out of your mind if that is entertaining. People
             ^^^^^^^
             Come on, take it easy.
             No DIRTY word please.

>are still being hurt by the incident.
>
>If you are pissed, go somewhere else. I don't take that kind of crap here.
>
>Jung S. Lee


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-kang Li)
Subject: Re: Korean Bashing (Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:11:46 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.174216.19751@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang) writes...
> 
>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! This korean bashing thread, often time irrational and
>ridiculous, only shows how narrow-minded and ignorant some oversea taiwanese
>are.  I, also from taiwan, happen to think korean government did what they
>have to do and the fact that they delayed this for so long already cost
>them economic advantage in china.  Now, let's talk about some issues.

Yes, there is no reason for Korean bashing. They did most of countries have
done. But saying "they delayed this for so long already cost them economic 
advantage in china" which is not true either. Instead, South Korea is very 
anxious to establish diplomatic relation with China for her own interest
(certainly nothing wrong with) and has been making this effort for two 
years. 

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Lead in water
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:51:25 GMT


Lead in the water is such a big deal in the US that we
are told to run the water for 30 seconds before we drink
it from the tap each morning.  This is because the lead 
in the solder used for connecting the copper pipes; the 
lead may be resolved into water during the night.

Such warning makes me worrying about the water in Taiwan.
I saw them used lead pipe to connect the water main from 
the street to our house when I was a kid and I think this 
is the case for most of the houses.  I know that we are 
using PVC pipes now but I don't think we have replaced 
the lead pipe with the plastic one; we use plastic for
economical reason.

What is going on in this area?  Are we supposed to die 
young?  Or we will be dumber than what we are supposed 
to be, due to the damage of lead to the brain?  I 
remembered that in the text book from junior high: when 
lead oxidizes it forms a layer of "thing" that is very 
dense and prevents anything to go through, therefore, 
prevents any further oxidization.  Isn't this correct?

Would somebody knowledgeable about these things explain 
to us what is going on?  I am a little worried.

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse)
Subject: R.O.C. Independence & Korea's shift
Reply-To: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:58:05 GMT

My wife is from Taiwan and for several years she was opposed to
the idea of Taiwan independence.  One argument she gave against it
was that the idea of a "Free China" gave hope to those living under
totalitarian rule on the mainland.  But in the past year she's started
to change her thinking.  We've started talking about how it might be
better for the R.O.C. (not "Taiwan") to claim her independence, and 
how this would be much the same as the "two Germany" situation which
lasted for many years.

When she read that South Korea had severed relations with R.O.C., this
may have been the "clincher."  I think she's leaning more not toward
independence.  I have also found this change among some of her friends
(professionals in their 30's, from Taiwan, now living in the U.S.)

-- 
Roger Shouse
The University of Chicago 		Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:33:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.030808.14877@mtu.edu> yuchao@mtu.edu (Edmond CHAO) writes:
>In article <Aug.26.10.21.20.1992.9023@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug25.185028.10446@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>> > In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>> > 
>> > Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
>> > 
>> >   Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
>> > 
>> > R.O.C. Air Force
>> > (Just for entertainment)
>> 
>> You must be fucking out of your mind if that is entertaining. People
>> are still being hurt by the incident.
>> 
>> If you are pissed, go somewhere else. I don't take that kind of crap here.
>> 
>> Jung S. Lee
>
>
>Dear netters:
>
>  I DOUBT that Mr. T.X. Cheng (who wrote this joke) is a Chinese
> 
>  from mainland China (PROC) rather than from Taiwan (ROC),
>
>  because his middle initial X. is a typical mainland-China type spelling. 
>
Who cares where he came from? I think he is very sick and we should leave the
sick person alone 'cuz you never know what he will try next time. I really do
hope he can find another way of entertaining himself using his five fingers.

>  If that is the case, you can blame him whatever you want.
>  
>  I think no one should make such a serious joke on Korean people.
>
This kind of joke(I hope) should not be made to any people.
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ROC-terminated-South Korea
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:40:20 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <uang-230892145638@chlorine.ops.lmsc.lockheed.com.> uang@lmsc.lockheed.com (Yea Uang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.134049.8253@csd.brispoly.ac.uk>,
>c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is 1992 best Jokes,
>> because we know that Korea always is our economy enemy.
>
>Right on!!! I would not read "Taiwan broke diplomatic relation with ROK".
>I would believe it if Taiwan did it six months ago. For so long, Taiwan can
>only be forced to do so. Everybody in the world knows it. I feel sad. 

Exactly.

>Now, ROK has eye on the enormous potential mainland market. The Taiwanese

Yes, just potential but uncertain. Right?

>businessmen will now face harder time to compete with Korean conuterpart
>in trade, (cheap) labor, ...
>

Take it easy.  That's not a big deal.  Taiwan's Enonomy Miracle is still going.

>
>Yea Uang                                   
>Lockheed Missiles and Space
>Sunnyvale, CA
>Internet mail: uang@lmsc.lockheed.com
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:41 PDT
Subject: Re: Independence of Taiwan: a Suggestio
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug27.171038.8569@bradford.a:341107190:cdp:1474900017:000:378
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 28 09:41:00 1992


>Suggestions: How to Ensure  Taiwan's Independance (TI)?
>
> 
>1)  Draw out all the hard currence to buy weapons. Tell...
>2)  Strict control over minorities in Taiwan. Prevent them... 

Under these conditions Taiwan may gets closer to TI, but perhaps
it then would be some fenced no fun place. Better continue your
well working diplomacy by economics.
 
Goetz
Seoul 1992/08/29

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Quote of the day
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:37:52 GMT

In article <Bttw5v.Er3@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Cha
ng) writes:
>[Read it from a local newspaper]
>
>A director, Peter Wang (any idea who he is?), on his teen years in Taiwan:
>
>"James Dean was exceptional to us. Asian boys don't have to be Rock Hudson
>to imitate him. He has style, he was cool, he smoked, he didn't speak
>English very clearly, and on top of everything he was short."
>
>It is unfortunate that Mr. Wang willing fell into western stereotyping
>trap and putting forward such a clown-like image (ugly, short, with
>speech impediment) about "Asian boys"...

FYI, Peter Wang directed such movies as "Chan is Missing", "Dim Sum" and "Eat a
Bowl of Tea".  He also directed an episode of an HBO series which was broadcast
fairly recently.

Robert Sanders
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:47:06 GMT
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com

In article <1992Aug29.201748.19832@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
Lines deleted--
=
=
=This policy is cruel, destructive, and damaging to people's pride
=and dignity.  It should be changed now or else our languages will
=die and be lost forever.  Merely lifting the oppression is not
=sufficient because the damage is too severe.  It will take a lot
=of people's awareness and participation to heal this wound.
=
=
Yes, I have same kind of felling.  Forturnately,  some  parts  of
Taiwan have started bi-lingual education systems. Mostly are pro-
moted by Local government(County). Students learn  to  appreciate
their  beautiful  mother  tone.   One  of the county I know of is
ShinZoo(New Bambo)

People seems  to  forget  that  HaGa  and  HoLo  people  are  all
pioneers,  "Go  mem never gone before", otherwise they will never
come to Taiwan at the first place.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean