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From: pru@tko.vtt.fi (Ruuska Pekka)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: What's a good result in Cooper's test ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:46 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu


Can anyone tell, what are the average results of healthy, young men and
women in Cooper's test ? I mean a result, which has been achieved without
heavy, long-lasting training.

I believe, that most young (about 20 year-old) men are able to run one
hundred meters in 12..14 seconds. The average result, or the top of the
Gaussian curve, might be at about 13 seconds.

In my opinion anyone, who does better than 12 seconds (without much training),
has considerably more natural talents in running, than the great majority
of people.

If this is true for 100 metres, what would be the corresponding results in
Cooper's test ?

I remember, that most of my mates in the military service ran more than
3000 metres. This result was considred as "excellent" in the Finnish army
ratings. 2600 metres in 12 minutes was considered as "satisfactory".

On the other hand, there were people, who said that "How can a healthy
young man fail to reach the 3000 metres mark ?" I agreed with them at
that time, but I'm not so sure about it anymore.

I'm 37 year old now, and after about four months regular training, my
result was 3100 m. Many people have said, that this result was unexpectably
good for a person of my age and with so little training. I don't agree with
them, in my view the result is rather typical for anyone, who has done at
least some training and who hasn't had any weight or health problems when
starting. Can anyone tell any facts about this ?

Children.

Another thing, that puzzles me is, how to compare children's and adults'
results in these long distance races. My eleven-year-old daughter ran almost
2500 m in her first Cooper's test. She trains swimming regularly, but she
hasn't much tried long distance running before. I considered, that her result
would equal about 3000 metres for a young man. Can anyone say, if I am correct
about this ?

Pekka Ruuska
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: Rob.Kreisel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rob Kreisel)
Subject: To run or not to run
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:35:16 GMT


Okay..at this time I am not a runner.  Here is my question.  I
am 23 years of age, and am very thin for my age and height.  I would
like to build muscle and gain weight.  When I see most people that
are quote "runners", they are always very lanky.  I also feel I need
to do some sort of aerobic exercise.  Now, will running be a benefit
to me in building leg muscle?  How can I keep from losing weight
(maybe even gain weight at the same time)?  How often and far should
I run?  What should I eat?  Does anyone have any suggestions?

-Rob


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From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Canadian Marathons...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:14:33 GMT

After watching yesterday's Toronto Marathon I felt the urge to do my second
Marathon. Therefore, I decided to get into serious running shape for next
year (currently I run occasionally, but keep in shape doing other aerobic
activities). 

Can anybody tell me if the Ottawa and the Montreal Marathons have a date
set yet? Does anybody have a contact tel. number? What other Marathons
exist in the Ontario-Quebec area?

Thanks.
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Proper Stretching before running?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:48:17 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

I've recently heard from an instructor at the health club that
I go to that certain stretches are no longer considered good for you.

Specifically, he named the "Hurler's Stretch".    The "Hurler's
Stretch" as he described it is the one where one leg is bent at the
knee while sitting on the ground and the opposite leg is stretched.

Is it true that this is not good for the knee and should be avoided?
Also, what other stretching exercises are no longer considered good 
for you?  (This reminds of the days when Sunshine, Red Meat, and 
Milk were considered good for you.)   

-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 08:00:46 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Etonic Stable Airs

Hey now,

I'm just doing a little opinion shopping. Anyone out there running in any
of the Etonic Stable Air shoes (Street Fighter, Pro, Plus)? It's been a long
time since I've run in Etonics and I'm tempted (after my recent injuries) to
go back to them.

Thanks,  Rich
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: aj3u@ruby.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Supinate
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:13:46 GMT

What is considered to be a good shoe for extreme supinators?

Asim Jalis.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bond@sce.carleton.ca (Greg Bond)
Subject: Re: Diagnosing my runnig style (was Re: Desperately Seeking Shoes)
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:38:59 GMT

bschmidt@maybeck.mti.sgi.com (Bill Schmidt) writes:

 Stuff deleted...

>To determine the stability
>of your foot after strike, put your existing shoes on a table in front of
>you and look at them from the rear.  If the heel counter is vertical you
>are neutral, if the counter points to the inside (arch side) of the shoe
>you overpronate, and if pointing towards the outside you over supinate.
>That plus your mileage, speed and body weight are what you need to narrow
>down the search for shoes, then pick the one that fits the best.

What do you mean by heel "counter"?

--
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Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University
Ottawa, ON, Canada K1S 5B6
From: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: TAC Numbers
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:23:54 GMT
Reply-To: ron@sputnik.mit.edu (Ron Spangler)
Organization: M.I.T.


Anyone know where I should call to join TAC?  If you need a TAC number
to run the Boston Marathon, do you need to have it when you run your
qualifier too?

R. Spangler
From: milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Etonic Stable Airs
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:28:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43723
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article stieger@cco.caltech.edu (Ronald David Stieger) writes:
>I recently bought a pair of Stable Air Lites for cross country races, and
>I think they're great.  Probably the best shoes I've ever worn for cross
>country.  Actually, they seem to be better for running on grass than pavement/
>concrete, though.    I haven't done any road runs in them, but in a race last
>Saturday (mostly grass, but pavement in some parts and a choice between the
>two in many places) they felt much better on the grass.  So far I've only run
>three races in them, so I don't know how long they last (hopefully for a long
>time).

I've been running in them a while now - since I could get them cheaper than
the Stable Air Pro's.  I run about 50% on trails and so far they
have survived a 100 mile three day run around Mt. Rainier and two
36 mile runs around Mt. St. Helens, not to mention the various twentys
and thirtys I've done in them.  I must say though I collapsed the EVA
on them on the last Mt. St. Helens run - between my Escape pack and 
the lava, they got chewed up.  They are a bit hard on the roads though.

milt scholl
From: karl@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Karl Watanabe)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:31:58 GMT
Subject: Re: No Marathon Legs?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.running


In rec.running, lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano) writes:

> You're running out of fuel.  Try planting some Ultra Fuel along
> you're route.  Also, a fast 10k 3 or 4 days before your long run
> followed by lots of carbohydrates (pasta) will help you load
> your glycogen reserves for that long run.

The overall concensus is that I am running out of fuel.  How often
along my run should I take in this fuel?  My friend said in his
marathons, they had water and gatorade about every 2 1/2 miles.
I made sure I took in plenty of water, but I guess I need the fuel
also.

I like the idea of the fast 10k and carbohydrates.  I like running
hard 6 to 8 miles anyway so I am looking forward to giving this a try.

How do you plant your fuel along the way?  I used to run a 2 mile lake
but the laps got boring.  I then started a 4 1/2 mile lake, but I was
worried I might give up when I got tired.  So now I run a 10 mile bike
route: 10 miles out and 10 miles back (to force myself to finish).
Fortunately there are water fountains along the way, but I don't know
how I might plant fuel along the way.  I tried running in the streets,
but I couldn't stand the car exhaust.  I guess I could do that again
and drive out first while stashing fuel along the way.

Thanks everyone for your great input.  Hopefully next weekend I will
hit that 20~22 mile run with decent legs.

Karl Watanabe
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Saucony outlet in Maine?
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:30:57 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep28.222331.18543@news.Hawaii.Edu> teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
=>
=>Aloha net runners!
=>Being that I'm out here in the boonies, I am curious--do any of you
=>know if Hyde Industries or Saucony have outlet or warehouse stores,
=>perhaps by their manufacturing plant in Maine?

Haven't they got an outlet in Cambridge, Mass.? Still a long way from
New Orleans ;)


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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cpk@cray.com (Chris Kruell)
Subject: Twin Cities Marathon results
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:48:07 CDT

Results from yesterday's Twin Cities Marathon.  Sunny, 51F at 
the start, slight breeze.  I have an alphabetical listing of 
the race finishers, if anyone wants to know how their friends
did.  I can't promise quick turnaround, but drop me an email, 
and I'll look them up for you.

1. David Mungai 23 Laramie, WY     2:15:33*
2. Joseph Nzau 40 Laramie, WY      2:16:12
3. Rob Pierce 31 Conifer, CO       2:16:13
4. Joseph Leuchtmann 27 Ballwin, MO 2:17:13
5. Gideon Mutisya 25 Laramie, WY   2:17:51
6. Pierre Levisse 40 Boulder, CO   2:17:52
7. Matt Clayton 27 San Diego, CA   2:18:10
8. Danny Gonzales 30 Denver, CO    2:19:14
9. Artemio Navarro 42 Tampa, FL    2:19:50
10.Steve Kartalia 27 Pendleton, SC 2:23:08

* First marathon; slowest winning time in history of TCM.


1. Janis Klecker 32 Minnetonka, MN    2:36:50
2. Tatiana Zueva 34 Tampa, FL         2:38:41
3. Gabrielle O'Rourke 25 Wellington, NZ 2:39:54
4. Sharlet Gilbert 41 Richmond, CA    2:40:19
5. Bev Docherty 34 St. Paul, MN       2:41:26
6. Bernardine Portenski 43 Wellington, NZ 2:41:43
7. Jennifer Martin 30 Erie, PA        2:41:45
8. Suzanne Ray 40 Anchorage, AL       2:41:50
9. Carol Virga 41 Boca Raton, FL      2:43:33
10.Kimberly Bruyn 31 S. Lake Tahoe, CA 2:45:45



Chris Kruell
cpk@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh K. Sitaraman)
Subject: Re: Injury risk using a treadmill?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:50:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.215233.109209@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> rm0b@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROGELIO MACIAS-ORDONEZ) writes:
>Hi,
>    I am a new reader of rec.running and new also in a country where weather
>won't let you run outside for several days. This is why I have used a
>treadmill machine for the first time in my life. But I have been feeling some
>strange pain I hadn't had before on the outer side of my left knee.
>    Does anyone know if ther is something to be aware of when using this
>machines?
>
>Thank You
>
>Rogelio Macias-Ordonez


Well, I use treadmills when the weather is bad. I have found it to be easier
on the legs than running on the pavement. Your problem could be because
you have consciously or unconciously altered your gait to run on the
treadmill. This change of running style is actually common among first-time
treadmill runners since they are afraid stepping over the edge or are
not comfortable running in a small restricted space. 

			-ramesh





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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Shoes
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.031423.25951@dickens.com> lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano) writes:
>>
>>If you need to just go out and buy a pair  of running shoes 
>>quickly, you might try the Saucony Jazz, which seem to be high 
>>in everyone's ratings from Consumer Reports to Running World and 
>>Shape magazines.
>
>This is the first time I here something good about Suacony other
>than in their own add. 
>

    Not so, oh sceptical one.  I ran, quite happily, on Saucony Shadows
    for many years.  Then, after a flirtation with New Balance, I had a 
    horrible experience with Nike and am now running again on Saucony
    Shadow 6000s.  I am very pleased with them.

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano)
Subject: Re: No Marathon Legs?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:07:18 GMT
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.

In article <52540005@hpscit.sc.hp.com> karl@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Karl Watanabe) writes:
>
>In rec.running, lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano) writes:
>
>> You're running out of fuel.  Try planting some Ultra Fuel along
>> you're route.  Also, a fast 10k 3 or 4 days before your long run
>> followed by lots of carbohydrates (pasta) will help you load
>> your glycogen reserves for that long run.
>
[ ... ]
>
>I like the idea of the fast 10k and carbohydrates.  I like running
>hard 6 to 8 miles anyway so I am looking forward to giving this a try.
>

Forgot to say that even though "carbo load" helps, there's only a
maximum that you can store in your body, and that maximum, I
think, it's still not enough.

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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: kritchie@physics.ubc.ca (Ken Ritchie)
Subject: Just moved into the vancouver area ...
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:54:10 GMT

Hello everyone,

I just moved to the vancouver area, from waterloo, ontario. I was wondering if
there are any rec.kite readers in the area. I found the flying area just down 
from Kitsilano beach towards Granville Island, and I am planning on flying 
there at least every Sunday. Give me a shout if you fly there or anywhere else
in the area.

Ken Ritchie
(formerly rodahl@watsci.uwaterloo.ca 
 now kritchie@physics.ubc.ca)
From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
Subject: Re: Kite shop in SF bay area
Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:45:23 GMT

In article <AWASH.92Oct6150226@oht00.ohtsuki.waseda.ac.jp> awash@ohtsuki.waseda.ac.jp (Toru AWASHIMA) writes:
>
>Hello. This is my first posting to rec.kites.
>
>Well, does anyone recommend me some good kite shop around San Francisco
>bay area? Because I want to buy some during my stay in US, next month.

The only kite store left in the Bay Area is Kite Flite on Pier 39, San
Francisco.  There are a couple of van-dealers, most notible being Highline
Kite of Berkely, at the Berkely marina.  Kite Flite is a very good store, and
has a very good selection of both dual and single line kites.

>
>I bought a small kite last spring, and started stunt kiting.
>Stunt kiting becomes popular, and several festivals or competitions
>being held here in Japan. However, we can find only few kite shop even
>in Tokyo area. In addition, the price of kites is very high I think.     
>For instance, the kite I bought(Peter Powell Sky Raker basic) was costed
>$200 including the line. I think it must be too expensive from USA
>kiter's point of view. Isn't it?

I'm don't know too much about the Peter Powell line, but $200 of a 
beginner-class sport kite is about %100 too much...

____
Steve Thomas
steveth@rossinc.com


Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: lawrence@peri.jsc.nasa.gov (John F. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: WIZZARD STUNT KITE
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:31:11 GMT

>In article <384.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)  writes:
>> I was wondering if anyone could give a review of the Wizzard Stunt
>> Kite.  I have a Sky Burner which is fast and pulls a lot and was looking
>> for something a little different.  I think I saw a Wizzard but am not
>> sure.  Anyway,  if anyone out there has one or has flown one and could
>> give a little apprasial of the kite I would appreciate it.


I've had a Wizard for over a year now.  And it spends more time in the air
than any of my other kites. The slides are great!


            John Lawrence       lawrence@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Northwest Challenge and finding the sweet spot
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:40:43 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

Just got back for the Northwest Challenge in Seaside Or, and it was a kick. 
It was a Northwest regional competition, which counted for ranking in this
region, but there were fliers from as far away as the east coast and Japan. 

The wind and weather for the event were variable, and that's definitely an
understatement.  It ranged from 30 mph and overcast, to 15 mph with 25 mph
gusts and driving rain, to sunny and steady 6-8 mph, and even sunny and 0 mph. 
Mostly though the weather and wind was excellent.

The best wind just worked out to be on the during the masters team precision,
and ballet.  The worst winds, or no winds were during the quad competition and
experienced and intermediate interpretive. 

"Team High Performance" from Hawaii was probably the big winners of the
competition and at least placed in almost all the Master competitions.  In
fact, in the quad line competition they took 1st and 2nd.  They also put on a
seminar early Sunday morning.  I missed a good bit of it, (it was mainly aimed
at team flying), but they did give an excellent hint for tuning your kite to
the "sweet spot".  They said to wait for a day with steady winds in the range
that you wish to fly (they advised about 8 mph).  When winds are right, make
sure your bridles are equal and and launch the kite.  If the kite actually
launches, then land the kite and move your bridling back 1/4 inch (ie: adjust
it heavier).  Keep this up until your kite just barely gains air at launch,
and then falls back into launch position (ie: it is impossible to get the kite
off the ground).  Then move you bridle 1/4 in forward.  This is the "sweet
spot" and will maximize speed, turning and responsiveness. 

Also, it's nice to see from the net traffic, that I'm not the only one
missing out on Lubbock, Tx.  I'm just happy to see that next year the big
wing-ding will be in Oregon.  In fact I've already got my hotel room reserved. 
  
				Later,

				Dave Butler

    Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: What more could you ask of life? 
    Aviation combined all the elements I loved...  I began to feel that I 
    lived on a higher plane than the skeptics of the ground; one that was 
    richer because of its very association with the elements of danger they 
    dreaded, because it was freer of the earth to which they were bound.  In 
    flying I tasted the wine of the gods of which they could know nothing... 
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From: awash@ohtsuki.waseda.ac.jp (Toru AWASHIMA)
Subject: Kite shop in SF bay area
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 133.9.39.7
Organization: Dept. of Electronics and Communications Engrg., WASEDA Univ.,
	Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:02:25 GMT


Hello. This is my first posting to rec.kites.

Well, does anyone recommend me some good kite shop around San Francisco
bay area? Because I want to buy some during my stay in US, next month.

I bought a small kite last spring, and started stunt kiting.
Stunt kiting becomes popular, and several festivals or competitions
being held here in Japan. However, we can find only few kite shop even
in Tokyo area. In addition, the price of kites is very high I think.     
For instance, the kite I bought(Peter Powell Sky Raker basic) was costed
$200 including the line. I think it must be too expensive from USA
kiter's point of view. Isn't it?

Anyway, any kind of information would be appreciated. Remember I am just
a beginner of stunt kiting. Thanks in advance.
  
 
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From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: How was Lubbock? :-)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:18:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Yeah, how was Lubbock?

Does anybody know the results of the AKA elections?

What about the weather? Organization? Events? Etc?

Had meant to go, but... rides fell through, flying was to expensive, my
car would not have made it that far, etc.


-- 

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"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
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From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Yowww!! QuadriFoil 50
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:46:45 GMT

In <1992Sep28.220551.6391@crash> danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh) writes:
( text deleted)
>across the park, and I weigh about 240. I'll report back when I've had a
>chance to fly it in some higher winds..

Via AIR MAIL, I suppose...:-)
Simo
From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Kiting?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 09:08:44 -0500
Organization: Introl Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com

Peter Jarich <pnj1@cornell.edu> writes:
>

Yes, especially when it's warm! ;-)
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