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From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Comfortable Commuter?
Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:01:04 GMT

In article <1276@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
> : In article <1992Apr7.180943.2459@HQ.Ileaf.COM> grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:
> 
> : >The Harley might be OK but you'd be in the shop pretty often so you
> : >have to decide if you like hanging around with the Harley crowd while
> : >you are waiting to get your bike back.
> 
> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis,LL2-2B,5439,) writes:
> : Gary, you disappoint me.  Oil changes every 2500, minor adjustments
> : every 5000, tune-ups every 10000 - like pretty much any bike.  Except
> : the valves don't need any adjusting at all.  Today's Harleys don't 
> : break, don't leak, and hold value better than BMWs.
> 
> Follows just one sad short story on the long unpleasant path into
> Euro-bike-ness for this poor traveler: 
> 
	[stuff which delayed Martin from arriving at his point deleted]
> 
> Obviously, having my wife observe this interchange (and spend the next
> five minutes chatting animatedly about the comfort and dependability of
> BMW's with this kind lady who'd put 65,000 miles on one) didn't help
> my chances of getting a Harley one damned bit.
> 
> Obviously:
> 
	[.sig deleted]

Martin, your wife has completely misunderstood the process of selecting
a bike.  Bike selection (and this has been confirmed by real time
tracing of of the brain metabolism of potential bike purchasers) is
the responsibility of the brain stem and the small, ancient brain
section immediately surrounding it (my Latin fails me).  This same
brain area is responsible for mating behavior in crocodiles.

As such any rational analysis performed by the cerebellum can only
serve to obscure the impulses of the lower brain section where bike
lust originates and thus divert the purchaser from their one true
mount.  Women, according to common wisdom, are much more in touch
with their feelings and one would suppose this would make them ideal
bike purchasers.  Apparently your wife had some other agenda
(like her personal comfort or some such nonsense).  This is un-
fortunate.

You needed to explain to her that the woman riding the BMW was not
really comfortable and satisfied with the bike but rather merely
justifying or rationalizing her inherently irrational choice of
motorcycle (see my .sig).  It is fine to engage in such rationalization
but one must be honest enough to admit this, at least in retrospect.
The dilemma for you was that another supposedly 'in-touch with her
feelings' woman was telling your wife this very plausible story
about her bike.  Don't you just hate that?!

By the way, if it will make you feel any better, I used to tell
people how wonderful my R65 was, too.

-Gary


-- 
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeff@microunity.com (Jeff Kaskey)
Subject: Re: LID LAW DEBATE IN ILLINOI
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:59:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.085817.1905@inland.com> bloom@inland.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.084902.17921@microunity.com>, jeff@microunity.com (Jeff Kaskey) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr2.082610.1897@inland.com> bloom@inland.com writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Oooh Aaah! Dr. (Gloom and) Doom has found one case that he thinks 
>> demonstrates the universal wonderfulness of helmets for all. What
>> a wonderfully illustrative case!!  Unfortunately, [...he hadn't...]

>> It really is a touching story and we thank you for sharing it with
>> us.  Many of us know folks who have been injured or killed in one
>> way or another and we truly don't take such things lightly.  But
>> what that could possibly have to do with helmets or wind in my
>> hair is well beyond the reach of logic.
>> 
>> -jeff "not a doctor"

>Logic is providing an answer to the original question:  Is costly care 
>of helmetless cycle induced head injuries an urban myth?  No, I did 
>not provide a number for the cost of his care.  If you think it's cheap, 
>you are extremely uninformed about health care costs in the USA.  
>Figure the cost of care over a potential 50 years of "life".  That's just 
>the dollar cost; talk to his parents and girlfriend about the emotional 
>cost.  Obviously, you are taking his injuries lightly, to you he's just 
>an abstract statistic.

Oh bull puckey and dog piles!. Injury treatment is expensive. Duh. 
Repairing an injured [bi | motor] -cyclist is expensive.  More news.
My response was to your statement (carefully deleted in your reply) 
that:

"It just isn't worth it for the wind blowing through your hair."

Yes, I understand you were responding to a request for anecdotal
evidence. The subject line would imply that this discussion was
not unrelated to legislative action. Your statement implied to me
that you thought that some learnable truth came from your anecdote.

The personal cost of any single accident can be huge, whether caused
by a motorcyle, a golf ball or a loose roller skate.  Trying to appropriate
that grief to defend a legislative posture is irresponsible (and common).

My apparently uncommunicated point was/is exactly that he is not a 
(useful) abstract statistic, because a single event doesn't make much
of a statistical sample group.  Whether he was helmeted or helmetless 
doesn`t tell me anything about the statistical risk (or worth) of having
the wind in my hair.

-jeff "my hat's off to ya!"
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:21:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <3065.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>-> If you have a two cylinder machine, you don't have a distributor
>-> unless it's an Indian.
>
> Or a Royal Enfield, or a Scott...
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^       ^^^^^
>
>-> If you have a four cylinder machine, you don't have a distributor.
>
> Unless you're on an Ariel square-four.
                      ^^^^^ 
 Yep, there's the other 1% !
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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|                                 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: alastair@Cadence.COM (Alastair Young)
Subject: Re: What *ARE* cruisers good for?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:52:01 GMT

In article <TPOWELL.92Apr11000718@zoot.pa.dec.com> tpowell@zoot.pa.dec.com (Timothy Powell) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>
>Any advice/stories/experiences for my fellow cruisers out in netland
>would be greatly appreciated.  Email me if you're bandwidth conscious
>and I'll summarize to the net in a couple weeks.
>
>thanks.
>!pow
>

A mate of mine has a VN1500. It goes fast and it handles even on mountain
twisties. He's a maniac tho......

Al

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From: jrg@mips.com (John Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Query: BWM something III helmet, and helmets with 2 visors?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 03:51:05 GMT
Organization: Galloway Research
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: moosehead.mips.com
Originator: jrg@moosehead.mips.com

In some recent goop about females are better at this or that and men
can bla bla bla and so on..

Someone mentioned a new BMW helmet (not available in the US, mailorder from
Canada) that is full coverage but has a swingable chin section?  Is this
for real, whats the scoop?

Secondly are there any workable systems for keeping two (clear and tinted
presumably) visors or face plates on the same helmet?  I find in my car I
tend to take my sunglasses off an on a fair amount (particularly since I
like pretty dark glasses, but then when the clouds come out..), obviously
this will get a bit more tricky when I get my bike.

As you may have guessed I am about to go helmet shopping.  thanks for
any info.
	-jrg

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applelink   D3413                  CEO...receptionist    San Jose, CA   95133
                                   Galloway Research     (408) 259-2490
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I-70 SUCKS!! (WAS Re: Yet another way to get killed...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:00:57 GMT
Organization: Acme Flamethrowers

In article <6130278@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
+jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford) writes:
+
+> So, be warned!  If you try to maintain the required DOD minimum
+> speed on I90 between Miles City and Billings you better have
+> a hunting license with a deer tag.
+
+    Actually, you don't have to have a hunting license or deer tag to
+bag a deer with a motorcycle.  You won't get a ticket and you can keep
+the meat if you like.  Keep in mind, however, that a motorcycle makes
+one hellovan expensive bullet!  (Don't ask how I know!)

Helpful hint:  Carry some small wheels in your saddlebags to stick under 
the deer that you bag so that you can tow it home.  (And a tow rope or
bungy, too.  A rope is better because if you use a bungy and make a
short stop, the towed deer will then rear-end you.  Best to have the
antlers facing rearward).

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      I just had my brain washed & now I can't do a thing with it.
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From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:44:30 GMT
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*   Hunda forgot the wheels during the design stage and the bike went  into
*   production  using  pieces  of  odd  steel  welded  together  (sometimes
*   inside-out) with "comstar" stamped on them (to try to fool people  into
*   thinking they were a  genuine product). The  guys making the bike  also

Honda woudn't sell cast wheels in those days.  They said that they were
too porous.  I don't know if they were worried about them holding air or
cracking.  The ComStar wheels used an extruded aluminum rim with formed
sheet steel (or aluminum in the case of the "inside-out" wheels) for
"spokes".  They were lighter and cost less than the cast wheels of that
day and age, but they weren't as fashionable.  I had the "inside-out"
variety on my CB400T and I thought they were great.

Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tcm@moscom.UUCP (Tom Maszerowski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Fair Price for '87 BMW K75s
Keywords: BMW K75s price sale
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:05:29 GMT
Reply-To: tcm@moscom.com (Tom Maszerowski)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: na
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY


  As the title indicates, I am wondering about a fair price for
my 1987 BMW K75s. I am contemplating selling it and have no idea
what to charge. Here are some specifics:

	1987 BMW K75s 750cc 
	<2200 miles 
	Silver Metallic
	BMW Luggage Rack
	BMW Multivario Tank Bag
	Excellent Condition

  I just don't have the time to ride it as much as I would like, and
seeing it in the garage, unused, fills me with guilt. 

  If anyone has some information to share, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,


-- 
Tom Maszerowski    tcm@moscom.com   
                   {rit,tropix,ur-valhalla}!moscom!tcm
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: smiller@bnr.ca (Scott Miller)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki "something"...?
Reply-To: smiller@bnr.ca (Scott Miller)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.182704.23839@cs.dal.ca>, candrlic@ug.cs.dal.ca (Trevor Matthew Candrlic) writes:
|> I saw a bike yesterday that looked like an '85ish sport bike- it was 
|> a Kawasaki(on the tank) but on the side panel it had only "750turbo" and thatt
|> was it. The bike had a lower cowling and a nice red and black color scheme,
|> original paint.    
|> 
|> Could anyone who owns one of these or recognizes what it is could they please
|> tell me?
|> 
|> Thanks.

Well, it sounds like a 1985 Kawasaki 750 Turbo.  :-)
(Or a ZX750E2, if you're putting it on an insurance policy)

And yes, it has a lovely red'n'black colour scheme.  Nice bike.  See my sig.  

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: chain vs belt vs shaft drive
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:30:36 GMT

In article <1_qjarl@lynx.unm.edu> boardman@cancer.unm.edu writes:
>  They did things right with the shaft drive on the XV750H - very little
>  flywheel effect, and shifts *ALMOST* as well as a chain (yeah, your
>  shift timing has to change a bit with any shaft). 

>  I still remember how the R75's would kind of shake their tail sideways
>  before moving forward when you dropped the clutch off the line, from the
>  flywheel momentum.  JHMO  ;^)
>	The XV750H doesn't seem to have any of these shortcomings, other than
>  the shaft adding to the weight.

>|      Bob Boardman, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico        |


I'd just like to clear up what seems to be a common confusion between
"flywheel effect" and "shaft effect."  (I know it's common; I had the
same misconception for a long while).

The "sideways jacking" you mention is "flywheel effect," and it appears
on BMW's because the crankshaft is mounted longitudinally (i.e. it is
in line with the wheelbase) and, along with the massive flywheel, causes
some rotational torque along the longitudinal axis of the bike during
large changes of flywheel speed.  It is actually quite a small effect;
I was warned to watch out for it when I first started riding boxers,
but the only time I notice it is when I rev the bike at a standstill.
I guess I automatically compensate for it at all other times; either
that, or it is such a small effect as to be neglibible.

Your Yamaha doesn't do it because its engine design is different.

"Shaft effect" is a very real up-and-down force that tends to lift
the front and compress the rear under acceleration and do just the
opposite under decelleration.  Pre-mono-shock boxers have a great
deal of shaft effect; if you don't maintain smooth throttle control
when cornering these beasts, you may well find some unwelcome changes
in traction greeting you.

The "monolever" (mono-shock shaft-drive system) design that first
appeared on R80GS's and R80ST's, attenuated the shaft effect greatly.
It's still there on my bike, and I have learned to compensate for
it in my cornering, but it's not really a problem.  If I save a little
throttle headroom for the corner, opening it up just a bit produces a
"digging in" feeling in the rear that I quite enjoy.

The newer "paralever" design , found on R100GS's and R100R's, has
practically eliminated noticeable shaft effect.  Throttle changes on
these bikes produce little front/back jacking/dumping.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Aged Ambrosia Rev.2.1
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:09:44 GMT
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University

This is the unedited version of the first Brucer article put forth
within the post titled _Aged_Ambrosia_Rev.2_, and it's provided
in response to two whiny, wimpy twerps (Blaine and Rich, you know
who you are! :-) who want the whole truth, and nothin' but the
truth, so help them Baud!

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From: mscott@bohr.ssc.gov (Mike Scott)
Subject: Test, Please Ignore.
Reply-To: mscott@bohr.ssc.gov (Mike Scott)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:32:47 GMT

	Test Message Goes Here.
	^^
^^
.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: motorcycle from "Black Rain"
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:22:28 GMT

In article <9480@wrgate.wr.tek.com> chrisp@tatanka.wr.tek.com (Chris Perez) writes:
>>I think it's a H-D 883 Sportster. Could be wrong.
>
>Yup.  The bike was a HD XLCR.

	Ok, this is from the source: Harley davidson of New York, on
Northern Blvd in Queens.
	The bike used in the movie started out as a '89 Sporty. They
added the seat, tank, fairing, bars, and pipes to resemble a XLCR.
	Two points of trivia here. 1) they were asked to ask to "age"
the bike; added "rust", and a tear in the seat. 2) The bike sold for
around $8000 after the movie was finished. Apparently it was rented.

>Christopher "Groucho" Perez - Proprietor of Groucho's Desmodrome & Club House
>                  Motorcycling:  Still just for Ducatis

Tony Wang

DoD#0122
AMA#450147

twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: LID LAW DEBATE IN ILLINOI
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:58:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: inland.1992Apr6.085817.1905
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Apr4.084902.17921@microunity.com>, jeff@microunity.com (Jeff Kaskey) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.082610.1897@inland.com> bloom@inland.com writes:
> 
> 
> Oooh Aaah! Dr. (Gloom and) Doom has found one case that he thinks 
> demonstrates the universal wonderfulness of helmets for all. What
> a wonderfully illustrative case!!  Unfortunately, for there to be
> any useful info here we need to know two things that the good Dr.
> has carelessly forgotten:
> 
> 1. This one case is costing the taxpayer 100s of millions.
> 
> 2. A helmet would have kept the errant truck from causing
>    equivelantly expensive injury.
> 
> It really is a touching story and we thank you for sharing it with
> us.  Many of us know folks who have been injured or killed in one
> way or another and we truly don't take such things lightly.  But
> what that could possibly have to do with helmets or wind in my
> hair is well beyond the reach of logic.
> 
> -jeff "not a doctor"
> 

Hey jeff "not a doctor, definitely not a brain surgeon, and maybe soon 
to be a patient",
Logic is providing an answer to the original question:  Is costly care 
of helmetless cycle induced head injuries an urban myth?  No, I did 
not provide a number for the cost of his care.  If you think it's cheap, 
you are extremely uninformed about health care costs in the USA.  
Figure the cost of care over a potential 50 years of "life".  That's just 
the dollar cost; talk to his parents and girlfriend about the emotional 
cost.  Obviously, you are taking his injuries lightly, to you he's just 
an abstract statistic.
From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Magna V65 vs. Magna V45
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:19:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


 A few days ago , I conjured up the net and ask for advise on a Magna v45.

I thank those of you that responded. Now through a strange twist of fate,
I have been mesmorised by a Magna v65, albiet at a higher going rate.

Outside of the obvious power/size differences, I again conjure up the
demon net and ask for wisdom. I would appreciate any and all info on this
subject as I may soon make a decision that could change my life !!!!


Thanks for your support

Kevin S.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER F
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> |> >  Don't you read Cycle World or Motorcyclist ????

=> |> Nope.  Just "American Rifleman," "Guns & Ammo," "Handgunner,"
=> "Guns," and |> "Damn you to Hell, HCI."

-> Good! Then you could get a subscription to one of those (I read ".44
-> Magnum Weekly" myself!)

 I read "Machine Gun News" and "Full Auto" myself...


Dave Williams
XJ900 TURBO
Ingram MAC-11 (full auto)
'65 Chevy 1-ton with expired plates
                                                                                                   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: march@nynexst.com (Gregory March)
Subject: FJ1200 Chain Replacement
Organization: Nynex Science & Technology Center, White Plains, N.Y.
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:29:27


Welp, it looks like its time to replace the chain on my '87 FJ. It sat
outside :-( for a while this winter and now the chain seems to be
binding in one spot - even after *much* lubrication. Its almost at the
stretch point anyway...

Any recommendations for a good heavy duty chain? Any belt drive
conversion kits? :-)

email me (march@nynexst.com) and I'll summarize...

Thanks!

greg
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:48:53 GMT

In article <3464@balrog.ctron.com> tavares@ctron.com writes:
>I would think that beer-burner might also apply to German bikes.
>jack tavares
>tavares@ctron.com

Only if it's warm.

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