HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
I have developed a fresh new plot for a MA movie and
have registered my plot with the Writers
Guild of America, East for $25 (NY NY).
Thats all fine and good, but
Getting someone in the movie business to listen to your
story is another thing!  I have got nowhere.

Does anyone out there in internet-land have a contact
with one of the big boys? e.g. Brandon, Van Dame, or their associates?.

I would also be interested in hearing about 
this news groups plots - however, you may want to hold
your tongue, and register it instead!

Rand Sherman
(908) 758-5468
rcdz@cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: aalmague@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alejandro E Almaguer)
Subject: Re: Jeet Kune Do 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:26:26 GMT




Marty posted here a HUGE message in regards to my answer to "Is speed
the main emphasis of JKD."  He mostly agreed with me, yet did not know that 
he was doing so.

I simply wanted to give a simple answer to simple question.  

I was *NOT* defining JKD.  To define JKD is to defile it.  To attempt to
define it is foolish.  I don't have all the time that marty has to give
what *I* think JKD is all about.  

Of course, Speed and Timing are not ALL there is to punching.  I just wanted 
the author of the original post to say, "Hey, Speed is not all there is to it."
I am not a teacher and will not attempt to be so presumtuous as to post 
to this Newsgroup and explain a punch. :-)

I agreed with (for the most part, everything of) what you said.

I HOWEVER did not try to give an all encompassing opinion, definition, etc. of
JKD.  I answered only the question ORIGINALLY posted.

BTW, I enjoyed that quote with Brandon Lee that Marty Put here, I've never 
seen (heard) it before.

Whenever Someone says JKD is this or that... do not listen
Whenever Someone says JKD is not this or that ... do not listen

Find it for yourself.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:40:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3582
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep1.144754.7929@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>seen people defend judo as a fighting art because one can add the 
>atemi and other goodies left out of sport judo to make it a more

	You don't need all that stuff.  I can win fights with just 
throwing techniques.

	Especially against people who stand on one leg. :-) :-)
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fencing
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:53:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <Btv4AE.JDM@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> jquarant@mipos3.UUCP (James R. Quaranta Jr.) writes:
>
>We fencers are lurking about here in this group.  Post away!

I wonder if you would care to comment, as a student both of fencing
and of other martial arts, on how fencing experience interacts
with other MA training.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kids in Judo
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:37:57 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BtpMF7.qx@hsi.com> mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft) writes:
>However, I was wondering if I could add to my little arsenal of things
>to do (exercises that are fun, but beneficial; games; judo specific games)

	Indian wrestling? (Two people stand next to each other with the
sides of their feet touching and their right hands touching - like they
were doing Osoto on each other :-) They grab each other's hand and then
the first guy to move his feet looses)

	Big high breakfalls/rolls on a very thick crash pad.
From: billc@motatl.UUCP (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:39:48 GMT
Organization: Motorola Technical Systems Division (TSD), Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jkinnunen@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
: In article <willimsa.714323348@unix1.tcd.ie>, willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
: > I saw a photo of Bush in some martial arts seminar.
: > 
: > He was wearing a gi with a black belt.
: > 
: > I thought a black belt was something that was EARNED after years of sweat and 
: > toil.  Guess I was wrong.  This must mean that anyone can wear it.
: > 

I haven't seen anyone tell the whole story on this so I thought I'd post
it. I was watching C-Span the other day and there was a story about a
Chuck Norris sponsored group called something like "Kick Drugs Out of
America." The idea is to teach kids MA so that they have self esteem,
etc. and have an alternative to drug use. But anyway, apparently Chuck
Norris and George Bush had met and Norris told Bush about the program
and Bush had provided some sort of support. 

The show on C-Span was a demo by one of the Kick Drugs groups in
Houston. Bush attended (for the cynical as an election year photo op)
and he and Chuck Norris watched the kids' demo. Afterwards, Norris gave
Bush an Honorary Black Belt from Norris' organization. Norris presented
Bush with a gi and his honorary black belt - Thus the pictures of our
president the black belt.
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jhc@m2lll.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: All T'ai Chi Teachers are Bogus?
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:20:35 GMT

In article <25790@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

>>I know that the sad truth that I just written will anger a lot of 
>>people who think they have learned the "real" thing. So, if you
>>don't believe me, just forget about what I have said.

I see: either agree with me or just shut up?!  How convenient.

As for "the 'real' thing," there is no such thing.  T'ai Chi masters
understand that.  --Jim
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dcasson@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Casson)
Subject: Brandon Lee and Company....
Followup-To: dcasson@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:59:44 GMT

>Hello all!
>        I just saw "Rapid Fire" and was rather impressed with the
>fighting scenes there.  I was wondering if someone could tell me what is
>the philosophy behind JKD.  By that I mean that this movie, like the
>Bruce Lee movies, has amazingly fast fighting techniques while other
>MA films do not seem to be that way.  So I guess, my question is whether
>speed is the main emphasis of JKD.

One of the attributes of JKD is the stop-hit.  This does require good
speed as well as quick initiation and reaction speed to respond to an attack.
The philosophy behind JKD is that you draw your techniques from all 
styles adapting those techniques that best suit you with economy of 
motion as the common thread that ties everything together.
(In a nutshell)

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: satadd00@nx33.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken)
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking?
Keywords: boxing, kicks
Summary: Distance covered by jab, and an unusual boxing technique.
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:54:45 GMT

I've always been a bit bemused by the argument that the leg is longer than the
arm and therefore a kicker can keep a boxer at bay.  Those boxers I've sparred
with have been able to cover what seemed an amazing distance with a shuffle-
step and jab at the end.  Of course, the jab was not quite as strong as if it
had been delivered at ideal range.

There's clearly much more going on than that.

I've been told that TKD'ers, for instance, can cover truly alarming distances
with sliding sidekicks.  It is also important, in asking about the
effectiveness of hands vs. feet, to consider that the kicker is more able to
move his head away from his opponent while attacking than the puncher.  Of
course, other targets then present themselves.  I'll leave that to the experts.

Changing the subject, I was once shown an illegal boxing technique in a boxing
gym.  They do exist.  This one was a way of hooking in order to blind the
opponent with your glove so that you could sidestep and hook to the kidney.
Ugly.
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Scott A. Taddiken, University of Kentucky
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai chi advice sought
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:16:41 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug27.064155.29009@psych.psy.uq.oz.au> campbell@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Campbell Dickson) writes:

>Actually you'd be better off doing karate.

Of course ;-).

Steve
From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fist
Keywords: Pheonix Eye
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:45:15 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.


In article 12603@cs.brown.edu, tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>  tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>
>>>  This might imply that the older index-finger-over fist allows
>>>  one to better "penetrate", since one's Ki is not blocked at the
>>>  hand as with the all-finger-folded fist.  
>>
>>Well, an ol' stick in the mud Western logical positivist might say
>>that you'd get better penetration simply *because* your arm is more
>>relaxed - if you don't tense the antagonistic muscles until you've hit
>>maximum extension your fist ought to accelerate more quickly and reach
>>a higher maximum velocity. Personally, I refuse to take sides ;-).
>
>
>  Actually, I was proposing that using this style fist allows one to
>  punch with equal force but less tension at the moment of contact.
>  In fact, since there is less 'unnecessary tension' (the index finger),
>  one might be able to punch even stronger without buckling the wrist.
>  At least that's the feeling I get, although I have no makiwara to test 
>  it on.  
>
>  I asked the kosho-ryu kempo instructor at our school about it, and he 
>  suggested that folding the index finger over allowed those people who 
>  could only form 'Shotokai fists' to be able to get those middle
>  knuckles back behind the first ones.  I never had any problems with
>  forming a flat fist, so I can't really tell how much this trick helps --
  
I'm not for shure I understand  what " the index finger folded over the fist"
is truely meant here but in Chinese Shao Lin we have what is called the
"Pheonix Eye fist". This is when you form a vertical fist with the index 
finger and thumb pressed together. This protrudes from the fist creating
a sharp point. It is a strike that can be quickly executed from any other 
formed fist usually to the more softer areas and pressure point targets.
It can also be a fatal strike to the temple area of the head.
Hung Gar and White Brow use this strike frequently.
Is this the same as the finger folded over the fist?

/New Dave
From: doug@celia.UUCP (Doug Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fencing
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: celia!doug@usc.edu (Doug Nichols)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1684ECD10.ABANKS1@ua1vm.ua.edu> ABANKS1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Al Banks) writes:
>
> Hello!
>     I know that this is not exactly "martial arts", but someone suggested I
>give you a post.  Are there any other fencers out there?  I'm interested in
>tournaments, college clubs/teams, etc.  I am the president of Bama Fencing,
>and would like to start some intercollege competition.  Thanks!
>                                                       Al
> 

Yup, there are a few of us out here. Every now and again, something will
come up on the net, get kicked around a bit, then forgotten again. I can't
help you with the inter-collegiate thing, although based on my experience
as an instructor at VA Tech for a couple of years, I'd be willing to bet
you could find some other club teams in your area and surrounding states.
The main thing is that your group will likely need to be willing to travel
some. But then, road trips are why most people fence anyway, isn't it?

I'd like to add that if anyone's interested, I'd love to see a couple
fencing topics discussed. I've got a couple of things; these or others
would be great. Help yourself.

	-fencing -vs- SCA, pros/cons
	-recreational -vs- competetive, pros/cons
	-the USFA; what is it and why
	-alternatives to the USFA
	-fencing as an endangered Olympic event for '96
	-training techniques

Anyone?

Doug Nichols
Rhythm & Hues
Hollywood, CA
From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Moving during kicking
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:02:20 GMT
Organization: Amoco

In article <MARY.92Sep2174033@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <3581@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>   In article <MARY.92Sep1123818@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>   >   >A good martial artist will not be unbalanced when executing a kick.
>   >	   Yes, but unless she's a *great* martial artist she'll sure as hell
>   >   be immobile until that foot gets back down to the mat.
>   >Disagree.  Many times I've seen someone with the front foot up to block
>   >(or chambered for a kick) scoot forward by pushing off with the standing
>   >leg.  It's not a hop, it's a sort of slide, and it looks really weird...
>
>	   I'm probably demonstrating my ignorance of the finer points of kicking,
>   but here goes :-) 
>
>	   If you move your body in any way but towards the target of your
>   kick, don't you lose the power of your kick?  
>
>This move is used when you're moving toward the target...I've never seen it
>done moving away.
>
Actually, I've seen *VERY* effective front/side kicks used while retreating
from an oncoming attackers, particularly by TKD artists. The back kick 
doesn't seem to be as effective, I guess because it's harder to get your 
hip/weight into the kick while retreating. The person retreating will move 
backwards at a fast shuffle/slow run (depends on attacker's speed) and then 
do one of three things: lunge forward with a kick, jump UP and kick forward, 
or STOP moving, set him/herself and kick the attacker. Since the attacker 
is usually coming in fast, the force of the kick is added to the momentum of 
the attacker. This type of kick is usually only effective once or twice in 
a given fight/match, but can be *VERY* effective with practice. I know 
people who only use it as a last resort and others who like to try to 
"trap" people into it.
-- 
TTYL & TANSTAAFL ---------------- Walter Moore 
      Internet: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com

..SCUBA divers do it with depth...blub...blub...blub...
From: murray@what.gmr.com (Brian Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Killings in Concordia
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:13:36 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

Since this is a slow day...

This is a little off the usual MA track (maybe not considering the
general interest in diverting violence), but there is an interesting
drama continuing in the newsgroup sci.research.careers, a generally
uninteresting newsgroup about (you guessed it) careers for scientists.
A Concordia University professor posted a huge number of messages to
USENET describing a grievance he had toward Concordia - just before he
went on a rampage and killed 2 people and injured three others
yesterday.  The thread reads like a historical record of this tragedy!

He was disarmed by a man he had taken hostage.  Interesting to
speculate how...

-- 
Brian T. Murray				murray@gmr.com		
GM Research Labs			lauren@caen.umich.edu

I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.
  -- Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: perry@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: RE: NEW MARTIAL ART FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:11:27 GMT

please reply to:        PERRY@SKYFOX.USASK.CA

DONOT reply to: hayesj@skyfox.usask.ca
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:46:25 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <osborn.714888613@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>	Well, (panic alert, stage 7): Who IS the president of the USA?

Right on the money, Tomasso! The CIA of course...or whatever they call
the REAL secret police.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Re:  Jeet Kune Do
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:58:33 GMT


mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) says:



>[criticism of Alejandro deleted]
>
>>   The second paragraph that was melded together in the original post
>>   is the following:
>>
>>   "The art of Jeet Kune Do is simply to simplify.  It is being oneself;
>>   it is reality in it's "isness."  Thus, isness is the meaning -- having
>>   freedom in it's primary sense, not limited by attachments, confinements,
>>   partialization, complexities."

>>[snip]

>>   While I and many of the other people on here appreciate you taking
>>   the time to answer the question asked on here, please do not 
>>   alter information from a source to fit your needs.  Many times
>>   it will not preserve the meaning of the original source and
>>   many other times misslead other people as can be seen above.

>Well, perhaps this is just a quibble, Marty...but were the two spelling
>errors in the above paragraph, faithfully reproduced from the original
>work?  ;-)

Actually Mary, yes it was typed exactly as printed in the book.
Don't forget, the Tao is produced right from Bruce's own notes.
No one said he was a perfect speller. ;)



Marty

Do

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: schan@birch.srg (Stephen Chan)
Subject: Re: Private message (sorry...)
Organization: ARINC Research
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:51:53
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
	<1992Aug25.234640.21659@eng.umd.edu>
	<1992Aug26.090518.16536@psych.psy.uq.oz.au>


   Stephen,

   I tried to reply to your address as listed (schan@atria.srg) but it keeps bouncing
   as host unknown.  I don't know where the problem is, but thought you may
   appreciate the data point.

   Jon

	Thanks. To reach me by email, it's safest to send mail via uunet.
	Try uunet!srg!schan (append "@uunet.uu.net" if necessary)

	Stephen

--
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: robh@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rob Hindman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Seeking Book on the history of Ju-Jitsu
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:50:58 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

I am seeking a book on the history of Ju-Jitsu.
Does anyone know of such a book ??

Grateful, Robert.
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Disclaimer: My opinions and postings are not those of the Boeing Company.
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Subject: Re: Fencing
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:43:33 GMT

In article <2435@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, jschmidt@oolong.Tymnet.COM (John
Schmidt) writes:

|> Rattan disadvantage: Not as good as escrima.

What's escrima?

					Paul Wayner
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: stnahc@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (L. Chan)
Subject: Re: T'ai chi advice sought
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:56:25 GMT

In article <17b7j1INNfnd@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.163911.2495@fy.chalmers.se> f89md@fy.chalmers.se (Markus Dernevik) writes:
>>Also I would like some tips on picking a teacher that doesn't neglect the 
>>martial aspect.
>
>An instructor that teaches pushing-hands is better than one that only teaches
>the solo form, and a teacher that teaches "da lu" and the fighting form is
>better than one that only teaches pushing-hands.
>
>A teacher who learned in China is most likely better than one who didn't.
>

                          ^^^^^

 After years of internal martial art training, I can be quite sure to tell
 you that if the person who teaches Tai Chi emphasize that he/she learns
 that from China, then,

  1. They dont know the original usage of Tai Chi since the true masters
         of this art if not died already then they are at their age of 
         85 or more; these masters have promised their teacher(s) that 
         they will not teach any one else except their children. Thus,
         what ever they teach to the students are modified
         "soft" forms.

  2. They may be able to defense effectively at push-hand. BUT, just 
         ask them to "throw" you away during a push-hand, then they
         will back off. (Throw - a technique in Tai Chi)

  3. Their forms are probably wrong too. If they know the forms correctly
         they would know the usage (point # 1) already.

  4. Yes, they definitely aware that Tai Chi is a kind of martial art.

  I know that the sad truth that I just written will anger a lot of 
      people who think they have learned the "real" thing. So, if you
      don't believe me, just forget about what I have said.

>
>-- 
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
>                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: chance@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (R Chance)
Subject: Test
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 21:02:28 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


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