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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:17:02 EST
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

I posted a gripe about this issue a few years ago. I used to take my camera
to every concert and I have some great pictures to remind me of those
memories. When the "no cameras" rule became popular I continued to take
pictures and took my chances. I snapped some interesting pictures of Keith
Emerson playing in a small venue with "3"... people around me were having
cameras confiscated but I was using a friend's timy "spy camera" barely
larger than a roll of 35mm film.

Finally I got burned when I went to see Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and
Howe. I had taken what I'm sure were excellent pictures and was just about
to rewind the film when 2 bouncers ganged up on me and demanded the film.
These were BIG bouncers. The exchange went something like this:

me:   There are other poeple taking pictures. Why is it OK for them?
they: You have a better camera.
me:   duh.... well, what if I don't give you the film?
they: You'll have to leave.
me:   You mean I can keep the pictures if I leave? (reaching for my coat)
they: (the bigger of the two, salivating) WITHOUT THE FILM!
me:   oh. (I pull the film directly from the camera, ruining it). Here.
they leave... the guy behind me says "You shoulda given me the film, I
woulda hidden it. me: "Oh, thanks for your support"

Now get this: later on I went down and bought a program. Inside there
were NO LIVE PHOTOS of the show. So what profits were they protecting?
Even worse... 2 weeks later the band played in NYC and it was broadcast
on pay-per-view cable tv. I wonder how many VCRs were confiscated.

So my conclusion is... your risk is directly proportional to the size
of the bouncers and their lust for bouncing. Take the smallest camera
possible, don't use a flash, hide it at all times except for quick
photos, and separate the film from the camera (give it to somebody else)
at the earliest possible moment. I wish you success.

-Mike t.l.g.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:59:14 EST
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Subject:      Comp Tape

Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:40:04 EST
From:         WK7@CORNELLC
Subject:      Allmusic Comp Tape
To:           Gary <gmgettie@thamai.apgea.army.mil>

 Gary: I tried to e-mail you directly but it failed, so I'm doing
 it through ALLMUSIC. Sorry everyone, I don't know what's wrong.


Gary: here are my picks for the tape(s). I will have to send you a
tape with my 5 selections on it, as I know you can't find some of this stuff,
if any. I'll make it a good 100 min tape as per your info.

Here we go:   My order of preference is numbered.

    Artist             Song Name              Album Name         Time

1Annie Burns &      Man For All Seasons        The Rain           6:20
   The Rain

2Kathy Ziegler      Always Returning        Tunnels of Serapeum   6:41

4Katie Webster      I'm Bad                   No Foolin           4:34

5 ""     ""         Zydeco Shoes &            ""   ""             6:27
                    California Blues

3The Levellers      The Boatmen             Levelling The Land    6:00 (?)

**Gary: I'll know the exact time for the last one tonight, as I'll retrieve my
tape from a friend - I'll e-mail you again tomowwow re the Levellers.
                                                                Walt
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Subject:      !FLASH! FOR CPT ITALIA

HEY, HEY, Marco... if yer' in SLC still (by the time ye' read this),
look up BRYAN BAKER, of GAJOOB magazine... or, call him at KRCL radio
there in SLC!  I'm SURE he'd be interested in yer' CD!

ZZAJ
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From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      loreena loreena
              6 Jan 1993 17:39:58 EST from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

bob tee sez:
>Speaking of fabulous, drifting, lilting music, listen to Carol when she pushes
>Loreena McKennitt's _The Visit_ on you. The Kate Bush/Sarah McLachlan mixture
>is a good comparison, but she adds to that with some great drum rhythms. What's
>the rest of her catalogue like?

i recently got copies of the first three albums: _elemental_, _parallel
dreams_ and _to drive the cold winter away_. the latter is a collection of
christmas songs - some religious and some not - inspired by loreena's
strong association of music with the winter holidays. many of these songs
were recorded at glenstal abbey in ireland - the home of a group of ben-
edictine monks who are also involved in the recordings of another celtic
dive: noirin ni riain. noirian appeared with paul winter at the 1992
solstice concert in new york city (which i have on tape if anyone is
interested). back to loreena: the first two albums i mentioned are very
good celtic-inspired material, perhaps a bit more traditional than _the
visit_. i've not listened to any of the three in depth yet, but the first
passes for all three left me feeling good about them.

woj
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:25:25 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the f

>On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:31:52 EST jc-s said:
>>
>>This week i get to pick the cd, and i'm just not sure what i want
>>yet.  I toyed with the idea of fleshing out my classical shelf,
>>but i think my pop shelf still needs work, or perhaps my ethnic
>>section. any suggestions?
>>
>>jenna cole-steele
>
Try some a cappella! Rhino Records has a "sampler" thingy out called
_Modern A Cappella_ by Various Artists (R2 71083  OPCD-1623) I love it -
and well worht picking up!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:47:00 EST
From:         CMBIRCH@INDSVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: No cameras allowed

    In an attempt to find the way through the maze of
invasion of privacy laws, I'll give you a couple of examples of
picture taking.
    A guy stands on a sidewalk minding his own business when two
cars slam into each other right in front of him.  Naturally he hangs
around the scene, telling what he saw to the cops and so fourth. Eventually,
news crews show up and the guy shows up in the papers the next morning
as a witness to the crash.

    Moral #1 - If your're on public property you're fair game.

   A young advertising photogrpher decides to shoot some of the hot babes
that're sunnin' their bods out on the beach.  He sells his pictures to
a local suntan oil company and makes a little dough.  In the next month or so
one of the babes from the beach starts seein' her broadside splashed
across mag spreads and billboards all over town.  She sues the guy because
the pictures make her look "fat" and wins big bucks.

Storal of the mory #2 - When seeking a profit with (ANY) picture, be
                        sure to get some type of release form from
                        the people you're shooting!

How do I know this you say? Cause I just had a whole semester of
broadcast law!

Hope this helps answer a question or three!

Jade
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:19:21 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Allmusic boxed set / catalog?????

I'm sending this again for those who were on vacation and didn't get it...

Tim writes - toungue in cheek....

>  The solution to the comp tape problem.
>
>  The ALLMUSIC Boxed Set.
>
>  (Gotta move with the times, guys)


Tim may be on to something, folks. Many of us, myself included, have
created some sort of compilation of our favorite types of music. To name a
few - Sonia's "Blues Roots" set, my a cappella set, Bob Turnbull's "Canuck"
tape.....I'm sure that there are many more that I don't know about. While
many of these have been traded around, many have not. I would be willing to
put together a list of all these compilations, if people want to copy them
for people - kind of a catalog. If you want to submit a compilation tape
description, please send the following information - by private e-mail:

Name of tape(s) and how many in the set
"Type" of music
Short description
Full name of submitter
E-mail address of submitter
Price of tapes including sending them, if person wants to pay instead of
trade.

This will not put an obligation on anyone to send their tapes, but merely
provide a central forum to browse for neato cool stuff. Later, we might
include peoples own recordings of their bands....etc, etc....

Anyone think this is a good idea?

Marsha
mjferzig@midway.uchicago.edu


Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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From:         Alexis Naranjo <anaranjo@ECUANEX.EC>
Subject:      Re: Newbie mortibus
              93 4:20 pm

a blind date has so many digits...its all up to the piano as a matter
of catching up with ones own shadow...ai9 you nigth listeners
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:59:32 EDT
From:         PRESTON@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      While the bully's away...

  Looks like it'll be Wednesday before I can get to the Fleanet, so I'll
just have to be content harassing you folks from here for now. I've been
hearing *UG*-ly things about what's been going on behind my back while
I've been away... things I *know* just can't be true. Like Bloominski
getting a copy of _Wardenclyffe Tower_ (and giving it a good review), and
Gary digging a deep groove into the new Praxis CD...?  And what's this I
hear about David Malbuff accusing me of torturing old ladies and blind
midget dogs???  Sounds like I have a LOT of catching up to do tomorrow!
  OMC: I got a couple of new CDs... can't wait to review 'em for ya.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

  (envision standard plug for my list here)
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:59:53 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Roy B.

   Yup, Roy Buchanan was one hell of a guitarist.  It's unfortunate
he never realized it himself.  I saw him once, after he cancelled
3 times for various reasons (one being that he "broke his hand lifting
his amp".  Yeah right).  But it was worth the wait.  As you said
Sonia, he could leave your jaw gaping in awe.  Most of the night he had
his back to the crowd, but by the end he was facing out.  He was also
trashed.  He could not only play as fast as anyone I'd ever seen, he
could also drink just as fast.  Bottles of beer went down literally in
a single glug.  Amazing, and frightening.  Like his playing I guess.

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:43:14 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Who would you choose?
              93 11:53:54 am

> >A local club owner has a big Crawfish boil party and the entertainment
> >in the past has been Marcia Ball, but not this year. He tried to get the
> >Neville Bros, but wasn't able to. Who would you choose that has a "name"
> >and is in the 15 thousand range. I suggested Johnny Winter, give me some
> >names so i can make sure he gets a good act..It's a Blues type party..L.W.
>
> How about:
[...]
> Fabulous Thunderbirds
[...]
Methinks the T-Birds are splitsville. They lost their CBS recording
contract and I heard the other day that Duke Robillard is back in New
England with a new band. The ad had him listed as a "former memberof of
the Fabulous Thunderbirds. Of course, I could be wrong.

Isn't Gary from Texas? Have you heard any news?

-Adam
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:02:48 EDT
From:         RAYMCA@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      songs with rain in the title...

I can think of about, ohhhh, 50,000 songs with rain in the title???

Is that the joke, that there's so many of them???  I hope so, cause
I'm not in the mood to get flamed...

                              --Cathy
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Date: 7 Jan 93 18:31:15 GMT
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   I've got a tape deck that keeps eating tapes.  It could definitely
use a good cleaning (really it could be just thrown away, but I
don't have the $$ to replace it).  So, what's the best way to clean
the damn thing up?  I've already cleaned the heads with alcohol...

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:04:19 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The boy is back in town
              6 Jan 1993 17:39:58 EST from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:39:58 EST <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM> said:
>masses. Has anyone heard of Sue Foley? She played at the Montreal JazzFest last
>year and a friend of mine is still raving about her (I missed the show). She's
>a young blues guitarist. Can someone give me some info on Primus? What are the

I saw Sue Foley when she opened for Johnny Winter, she is pretty good, I beleiv
she's from Canada. Her album is called Young Girl Blues and it's ok, I bet the
record people promote her in the same way that Jeff Healy was done and she'll
become a "popish" blues act........L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:03:10 EST
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Subject:      Not quite one-hit wonders

Heather was talking about some one-hit wonders (don't worry Gary, I won't
extend the list...):

<Men Without Hats - "Safety Dance"

Although this was their biggest hit, they had a relatively successful album
with _Pop Goes The World_. One reviewer described that as being the kind of
music a child of 4 would make if he/she could (meant as a compliment). Their
most recent was _Sideways_ where pop meets heavy metal in some very pleasing
ways ("Van De Graff Generation Blues" is one of the better song titles I've
seen recently).

<Saga - "On The Loose"

Well, this was from their fourth album _Worlds Away_. Their first three
(_Saga_, _Images At Twilight_ and _Silent Knight_) are personal faves in early
80s attempts at prog rock (for lack of a better categorization). _Heads or
Tales_ provided a couple of songs ("The Flyer" and "Up On The Catwalk") that I
believe did OK States-side. Following albums plunged in quality as well as
sales.

<Dexy's Midnight Runners - "Come On Eileen"

Before this hit they had an album called _Searching for the Young Soul Rebels_
(was that what it was called?) that I seem to remember liking, but haven't a
clue what it's like today (it was a friend's).

Bob Tee
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:44:46 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Da Bluesssss...

Well, folks - I've been in "Chicagoland" for three months now and I have
just returned from my first trip to a "blues bar" - the Checkerboard Lounge
on the South Side. It was quite an experience.
As most of you know, I don't know much about the blues, So I can't say what
songs they did. I did recognize the standard forms and stuff....12-bar
blues etc.-thank you Al Hamme. I really enjoyed the music. The four guys
were really enjoyable. I don't know if they were objectively any good - but
I liked them. They do, however, need to be told that this is the 90's and
polyester bell-bottoms are no longer fashionable....

This guy played and everybody treated him like he was famous, so I'll ask
you guys if he is. His name was James Cotton and he played the harmonica -
I loved it! - and sang. Very interesting!

Anyway, I have to go to sleep now, and remove my smoke-stenched clothes....

Why do blues fans smoke so much????

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:26:17 GMT
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In a previous article, MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET (Rick) says:

>      Looks like the whole day went by without any mention of Birthday
>   Boy or that damned stamp. (By the way, Elvis would have been 326 lb. today.)

  But how much would he have weighed on Jupiter?  In the rain?

  (Sorry -- trying to keep up with the rest of the Morehead crowd in 
  sheer bandwaste today)

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The rain, the park, and other things

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

>>> I thought the CD limit was around 74 minutes.
>
>>Steven Feigenbaum of Cuneiform Records says the mastering lab he uses can go
>>up to 76 minutes. He says they can actually go further, but what they have to
>>do is eliminate some of the error correction codes, increasing the likelihood
>>that the CD won't track properly in a sub-optimal player.

>There are a number of Tull CDs that clock in at 77-78 min.  - Tim

My longest CD is Fairport Convention's _The History Of_ which clocks in
at 78:29 .  I did once come across a file somewhere on the network which
contained a list of the longest CDs. I'll have a look tonight and see if
I've still got it, but I think the longest was just over 80 mins!!!

Hosko
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:10:57 -0800
From:         u8042026 <u8042026@MIS.NSYSU.EDU.TW>
Subject:      Rock Band

        I am a sophomore of Jong-Shan university in Taiwan. Although,
I major in MIS. But, I am very interested in music. I have learned seven
instruments. And, I already have joined a rock band. Our Band's name is
"The X". I usually play solo guitar in our band. Sometime, I play drums,
too. Our members contain two guitarist, one drummer, one vocal, one
bass-guitarist, and two keyboarders.
         Does naybody has make up a band ? I hope that you can tell me
about your experience !

         Recently, I very like to listen to Eric Clapton's songs.
Example : "Wonderful Tonight" , "Tears In Heaven". Specially, these
songs are very wonderful in film "RUSH".
{Original Score Composed and Performed by Eric Clapton} !
Not long after ago, our band was playing "Wonderful Tonight".

                      curiously,
                                  Long
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:06:00 GMT

In article <930107101329.2d8034b0@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU> writes:
>Got any good ideas of just what this new form of jazz will be?  Perhaps
>a marriage between trad. jazz and modern synthesis (ie. MIDI, computers)
>You should be right there.  Most m.s. stuff I've heard has little to
>do with jazz sensibilities, but i'll admit to being far from the cutting
>edge of that stuff.  Anything interesting to report in that vein?

Actually, George Lewis,  the AACM trombonist has been working in that
area.  And to some extent other AACMers, like Anthony Braxton, though
he is busy doing commisions.  Richard Teitelbaum has been also working
on some of that, although he doesn't really come from the jazz
tradition, but he works a lot with people who do.  The keyboardist that
currently plays with Ornette, David Rosenbaum  (or something like that)
is doing something.  Evan Parker in London has been playing with that.
I have been doing a few things in that, but only have one composition
that is finished.  I have been working on some on and off, mostly off,
but it is hard to get continuity. The trouble is writing the damn system
programming, it takes so long.  I wanted to get a new Mac and MAX, but I had
to buy a new car.  Maybe someday Mac's won't be so overpriced.

I doubt that would ever because the mainstream of the cutting edge, to
use a contradiction of terms.

There still are people that are creative, but they all have been
established for some time, or it is only marginally different than
something that has been established.  Nothing as shattering as the bebop
revolution that Diz was a big part of.  Maybe people are just waiting
out the turn of the century, (and millenium, for that matter) and just
recycling things in the postmodern way.  In the 21st century, things are
going to _have_ to change.  If I can only get a decade like the 1910s in
my life....

I think Diz speculated along the lines of a world music thing, but that
a tough distinction to make, since virtually every era of jazz since
Ellington had a world music thing.

If I knew what the next innovation of jazz was going to be, I would try
to do it :) 

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:26:00 CST
From:         TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: One-hit wonders/Rain songs

Does anybody know of any one hit wonders that talk about rain?

                                           ;-)

                                                Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:25:37 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:52:54 CST Leonard Watkins said:
>On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:08:19 EST Ken Koester said:
>>This sounds quasi-legal at best:  a public figure has no right not to be
>>photographed in public, as far as I know, and even a private figure has no
>>defense if the photos aren't sold.  You could make a case for banning flash
>
>Since it states on the back of the ticket that no cameras or allowed It's
>probally very legal. BTW these tickets must be all-purpose (Fastix) cause the
>back also says "not liable if you get hit by a batted ball", she's performing

Oh, you can *print* anything you want on the ticket.  Whether a court would
agree with you or not is a different matter.  Suppose, for example, the
ticket said "no hearing aid", or "no ear plugs", or "no digital watches"--
I really doubt it would stick.  Photography is a legitimate and time-honored
means of expression & I find myself angered beyond words that some stupidly
officious business interest would think that it could restrict it.
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