HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Stephen.Whitis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Heralds Feed
Date: 3 Dec 92 09:09:04 GMT

>SW">FILK is on the backbone, so it shouldn't be a problem???
>                                                                          
>FILK has never made it to Net 363 after being securely tied in all the    
>way upstream. I don't consider it on the backbone if no messages come     
>across. <grin>                                                            

It is *still* on the backbone.  If it doesn't get to you, there is
a problem with the backbone feed, and (IMO) you should start
reporting it right on up the line until it gets fixed.  It may be
that there is a problem somewhere that they don't know about, which
won't be fixed until they are told about it.  It may be that
someone in the backbone-distribution network has a personal
problem, and in that case it won't get fixed until it gets reported
beyond them.
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From: Alastair.Aylward@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Alastair Aylward)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: help, i'm being pecked to death by dukes!
Date: 5 Dec 92 11:02:00 GMT

In a message to Blackwolf <12-05-92 02:32> Theron Bretz wrote:

4From the pen(?) of Etienne de Montagu good greetings:
4Blackwolf, you scoundrel.... You actually have pictures of
4Randall and THAT legendary crest?  I know a certain
4viscountess/ex-wife of his that would probably pay a pretty
4penny for them just for the humor value alone.  If ever an
4ego needed an occasional puncture....
4                                Etienne



And who's doesn't?

                                Alastair
From: Marv.Cotton@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marv Cotton)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Poll Message
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:24:00 GMT


  RJ>** In a message on 04 Dec 92  21:01:00 to All,
RJ>** Marv Cotton said:

RJ>MC>   This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo
RJ>MC> seems to
RJ>MC>   have subsided I would like to know how many participants we
RJ>MC> have.

RJ>Present at below listed BBS...

RJ>--- GEcho 1.00
RJ> * Origin: ModemLink BBS =: Yukon, OK := HST/V32 (1:147/24)

  Thanks Robert.

 * OLX 2.2 * Children Deserve To Be Free and Feel Safe
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Comm:Gifs at Halcyon.Comm
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:43:30 GMT

Kristal.Andes@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Kristal Andes) writes:

>I am sorry to report that the files of missing children have been removed
>from HALCYON.COM.

This is incorrect.  The GIF files are in place and have never been
removed.  The directory is ~/pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs, and are
available via anonymous ftp from ANY Internet site.


>The reason he has to keep track of the systems keeping the files on line,
>is that when one child is found, that picture can be removed from
>distribution.

The 'expired' files are automatically replaced/removed in the same
manner of those on Fidonet distribution.

Thank you for your concern, but the availability of the GIF files
via the Internet is in fact a reality and is working well.

-- 
     halcyon.com, Public Access Internet, Seattle, WA, +1 206 382 6245
                 "A World of Information at your Fingertips"
                 P.O. Box 555, Grapeview, WA 98546-0555, USA
                    ralphs@halcyon.com,  +1 206 955 1050
From: Peggy.Mcbride@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Peggy Mcbride)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Poll Message
Date: 8 Dec 92 10:00:00 GMT

CT>Hi Marv this is Charles Tedder, Havenhawks BBS, Millington, Tn.,
CT>(901) 873-0965.  One question  what program do you use to view the GIFS
CT>the one I have doesn't do to good a job.  I have Missing Child 1 - 14
CT>and the ones coming in through the Filebone.
CT>Talk to you later...

I have found a small easy program that is good for viewing the GIFS is
Graphics Workshop.  Or you could try CShow.  Both are Shareware.


 * SLMR 2.1 * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny.
From: Diane.Pilkington@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Diane Pilkington)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Feasts
Date: 4 Dec 92 08:10:02 GMT


 -=> Quoting Theron Bretz to Ladyhawke <=-

 TB> "Or something" would describe most of the feasts I've 
 TB> encountered in Stargate quite nicely....

 "Or something" describes almost every feast I've ever
 had in the Society in the six years since I joined.

 Of course, I really shouldn't count some of those...I 
 was too busy doing scrolls during the feast and had to
 eat the food cold during court while filling out my
 court report form. One of the major reasons why I will
 not do field scribe-work anymore.

 To be fair, only half of the feasts that I've actually
 sat down for were totally inedible. Many others only 
 had one or two dishes that were ruined. A couple of 
 others featured two or three dishes that I couldn't eat 
 because they contained alcohol. I think I attend about
 two feasts a year where I go away stuffed full of food.
 Academy and Crown were both wonderful feasts.

 Serena


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From: Paul.Goodnough@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Paul Goodnough)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Dec Populous meeeting
Date: 5 Dec 92 15:26:00 GMT

From the quill of Cu Dub Mac Artuir , Greetings!
  Be it known that the December populous meeting will be at Ryan's just done
the road from Grady's on Bandera road. This is just for December. Plan on
getting something, even if it is the salad bar or a drink. Same time as far as
I know.
                        In service to Bjornsborg,   Cu
From: Lady.Guinevere@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Lady Guinevere)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: New to this stuff
Date: 7 Dec 92 17:52:22 GMT

Okay.  Thanks for the message about your mail readers.  I will go d/l it right
now.
From: Tim.Of.Angle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Tim Of Angle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: star signet office  e
Date: 5 Dec 92 13:56:24 GMT

SW> > TOA> C'mon, they'll never think you're from Stargate if you keep
 SW> > TOA> doing that sort of thing....                        
 SW>                 
 SW> >                                                          
 SW>                 
 SW> > Why would Dathi want anyone to think such a thing?       
 SW>                 

 SW> So he can become a Pelican?

Without bothering to do anything for it (like a certain Duke...).
From: Theron.Bretz@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Theron Bretz)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: New to this stuff
Date: 9 Dec 92 01:26:00 GMT

From the pen(?) of Etienne de Montagu, good greetings:
Garb, my lord, is a bundle of grain.  Costume is a perfectly acceptible word
for what I wear to court or feast.  _Clothes_ seems to fit any other purpose. 
While I understand your intent to educate Lady Guinever on SCA slang, I feel
you came across as a tad overzealous.
                                        I remain,
                                        stuffy and pedantic,
                                        Etienne Montagu
From: Mark@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Mark)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Who accepts submissions
Date: 7 Dec 92 21:41:04 GMT

Gretchen wrote:
  In answer to your questions:  If Misty Highlands is still an official
  group, they are required to have a herald.  This is the person who
  should be taking your submision.  If not, I would guess the herald at
  either Port Oasis, Afongara or BMDL would take it.

Actually, I recently went round the pike on this issue myself. Technically
speaking (at least in the East, I welcome information about other kingdoms),
only a warranted Herald can accept money for submissions.  There is no
requirement that a territorial herald be warranted to accept submissions,
neither is their any rule that says you should submit through your local
herald.

The regional herald must be warranted, since that is the level that issues
warrants.  I agree, the groups local herald "should" be warranted, or at
least know who is warranted, in order to do a decent job.  I do not think
you could cite any rules, however, that require it.

        Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
From: Martin.Ogawa@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Martin Ogawa)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Underground-Abducted Kids
Date: 8 Dec 92 07:55:49 GMT

Does anyone have any information on the Underground either run by Faye
Yaeger or the one that split off from them.  Also,  do they have any 
ties to a similar Underground in Europe?  My former spouse abducted by
4 year old daughter in March 1992 and is alleged to be with the
Underground or starting one in the U.S. or Europe.  She used to be a
Vice President in Telecommunications at Wells Fargo Bank in San
Francisco and left with $150,000 Cash to start a branch of the
Underground?  I held Joint Custody and was getting close to full
because of some of the tactics she used to try and get custody.  Two
Private Investigators linked to the Underground have assisted her,
James Curtis of Oregon (his daughter was caught and is standing trial
) and the other Hal Lipsett of San Francisco.  Please provide me any
information you can for the benefit of my daughter.
From: Marc.Bragg@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Marc Bragg)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Poll Message
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:30:13 GMT


 Robert:

I have the gif files in PA. You are welcome to get them here until you find
someone closer.

Marc Bragg

 RF> I have your missing children congerence on my BBS here in
 RF> New York City. I need to know where I can get the gifs of missing
 RF> children here in New York. As I am a parent I will keep Missing
From: Kristal.Andes@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Kristal Andes)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: .Gif'S
Date: 3 Dec 92 07:30:00 GMT

Is there anyway to download these gif files through Fidonet?  If not,
what is the best means to get them?  I'm not a sysop, just a user so I
don't have the fancy connections, etc., that they might have.

Thanks for a) your info, and b) your work in searching for these lost
kids.

Try c:c.show


 * OLX 2.1 * A penny for your thoughts; $20 to act it out
From: Matt.Drury@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Matt Drury)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Hmmm... my device submission is missing?
Date: 7 Dec 92 12:15:03 GMT


 > Janos der Kleine
 > [Jonathan Hawes]

Woof. At Investiture, my reservations table was surrounded by Baroness Morgan,
Baron Hienrich, Baroness Cherie, Baroness Victoria and Baroness Islay at one
point. It occured to me that rather than say "oyez" to get the attention of the
feast hall at Wewa, a simple "Your Excellency!" would have sufficed...

Brian
(Too many nobles, not enough Indians)
From: uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO.Greetings@fquest.FidoNet.Org (uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO Greetings)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Herald Test?
Date: 3 Dec 92 14:01:48 GMT

Greetings once again from Layamon leVavasour:
        No such test appears in Avacal. I cannot speak for the Kingdom
of AnTir. Drogo?
From: Kristal.Andes@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Kristal Andes)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Perps..
Date: 3 Dec 92 07:46:00 GMT

> I know a victim of child abuse who has now grown up, and even
 > years
 > later, suffers ill effects, although, happily, she is
 > recovering.

        Hi Hal, thanks for your message, was beginning to wonder if this
area was not for discussion on abuse....

        I also am a survivor, and the scars are still there, things are
changing for me, but some days are a constant battle to continue on...is
your friend going for counselling??? Alot of our counsellors up here in
Canada cost around 75 to 100 per hour, it's like being a double victim, in
order to become a survivor....groups are really not my thing either, as I
tend to take on the rage of others.

Try getting a group of people together that have gone through the same
thing. start your own group ,people that have gone through the same
thing ,can help each other out, in more ways than counsellors ,how many
counsellors have gone through the abuse ,that are willing to share their
pain with you ,there just after your money .I have gone to "Head
shrinks" and two mental hospitals ,and neither one did a thing ,but
drain my mothers wallet.
{ in sliding scale counseling } for people who don't make enough to feed
those money grubbing bas**rds. They can be found through hospital
info.,and mental health clinic in phone book, & department of social
services info..

 * OLX 2.1 * counselling can leave more scars ,than cures.
From: Longshot@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Longshot)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Face Thrusts
Date: 7 Dec 92 00:43:42 GMT

A node in the net called Dathi, coded to Stephen Whitis,
on 21 Nov 92  08:00:03, about Re: Face Thrusts
 
 SW> People fight spear in crown tourney?  Or people use thrusting tips
 SW> in your kingdom (in crown tourney)?  I've *never* seen anyone
 SW> enter
 SW> crown fighting spear here, and rarely come across anyone here
 SW> using
 SW> a thrusting tip on a sword.

 Da> Every once in a while, I do see someone fighting spear in a crown
 Da> tourney. The last one I remember was Hector against someone during the
 Da> first reign of Pat and Julia. 

lo'
   I think Count Syr Conn fought spear at least one round in his successful
attemp at the Calon crown about a year and a half ago.
                                              - Aindries 


... Ah, it pleases me to see humans dream once again.
From: David.Lyle@fquest.FidoNet.Org (David Lyle)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: New to this stuff
Date: 9 Dec 92 00:06:14 GMT


 LG> the middle ages, particularly in Wales vicinity and 
 LG> somewhere between 500 ad - 1100 ad.  I think those 
 LG> where the dates when King Arthur presided the throne.  
 LG> I will have to look it up again to be sure.

Just a suggestion, use bce and ce to designate time frames, they are less
religiously oriented (Before Common Era, and Common Era)... it's becoming more
widely accepted in the scientific community now finally.

As for King Arthur, there are lots of myths and such, but no evidence that any
one "King Arthur" ever existed.  He may have been a composite of several kings,
may have been a tale... who knows...

Now, on to costuming/garb for that time period.  I might suggest a fairly good
picture book (Hardcover) called "A pictorial history of Costume" By Wolfgang
Bruehn and Max Tilke, published by Alpine Fine Arts Collection U.K. LTD,
London.  We got a copy from the Smithsonian Institution Museum shops (I know
you're in D.C. area, so it's ready access) - Try the Museum of American History
bookstore.  If I remember, the book runs about $30.  There's also a couple
other similar books if they don't have that one anymore.

You mentioned Wales as a starting point... costumes (and yes, it IS ok to use
costume, it is - in fact- the correct scientific term to refer to historical
dress) tended to be either very plain, or VERY colorful depending on region. 
(Germany, for instance, used bright colors and many layers), The French
generally wore very plain dresses (the women), one piece with rounded neckline,
long sleeves, and dress down to ankles.  In Wales vicinity, the women wore very
similar dresses (plain), with the only real noticable difference being the
neckline is closer to the shoulders.  Hats, now that's a fun area :-)  . 
Correct for that costume above would be a hat that looks very much like a
stocking cap (sans the ball at the end) and thick tails of cloth (3 inches or
so wide and maybe 12 inches long) trailing down the back.  

Fancier clothing and head dressing didn't start until 10th century, when
dresses started becoming more colorful in England.  Of that period, dresses
were still very plain, but added underdresses of a different color, along with
half sleves on the outer dress.  The half sleeves often had attached streamers
hanging down (Angela would know the tech term for these things) from the half
sleve down to almost the ground.  Hats for this period would be anything from a
'cap' to cloth covering held by a band of jewelry, to simple bonnet tied under
the chin.  Still very simple in basic design.  Things didn't get much fancier
until the 15th century...  (at least not in England/Wales)

Hope that helps a bit, and do check out the Smithsonian for VERY good costuming
books.  Also check out Border's Bookshop in Tyson's Corner, don't know what
their costuming section looks like, but everything else is pretty complete..
From: Stephen.Whitis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Misc. nattering
Date: 3 Dec 92 16:34:02 GMT

> Lady Stellar Scroll now has a complete backup of the Zodiacus

Please to inform, what is dis Ly Stellar Scroll please...
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From: Bob.Norvik@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Norvik)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 6 Dec 92 15:54:00 GMT


 > I would like to know how many
 > participants we have.
 >   Also any suggestions or tips?

I'm still here......

                            Regards, *Bob*
From: Diane.Pilkington@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Diane Pilkington)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Odious term "'bethan"
Date: 4 Dec 92 07:55:10 GMT


 -=> Quoting Dathi to Theron Bretz <=-

 Da> Agreed. I detest the term "bethan", and would dearly love 
 Da> to find the person who came up with the shortening (though 
 Da> I have my suspicions), so I could do something mean-
 Da> spirited to them...

 After being in Aggieland for only a short while, my brother
 told me that many, many people there reduce all words to
 a bare one or two syllables, because they cannot handle
 words with more than two syllables. Something in the water?
 Happily, you have escaped this disease.

 Serena


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From: Cardinal@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Cardinal)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Clarification on Laurel List
Date: 3 Dec 92 22:27:02 GMT


  I think that my suggestion about commenters using e-mail was interpreted a
bit more broadly than I wanted it to be.
   I understood that a commenter who comments on an LOAR is supposed to mail
those comments to the other 52 people on the mailing list.  I was wondering
if,
to save time and energy, those people with e-mail could send their comments
electronically to the people who could recieve comments in that manner.  I
agree that until everyone on the roster has e-mail it isn't a good idea to
have
any "official" discussion over e-mail, since that would effectively cut off
those people without access.

                                --Fairfax
From: Stephen.Whitis@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Hnefatafl
Date: 4 Dec 92 08:48:02 GMT

>Thanks for the post... I may have something on this, but I
>have it under another name (I think Viking game). I'll                    
>check it and let you know...                                              

If you've got anything, let me know.  I *haven't* checked the KW
Handbook, which does have at least a blurb, but other than that I'm
sort of stuck.
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From: Charles@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re:  Device checking
Date: 4 Dec 92 14:13:37 GMT

Berwyn asked about fighting heralds and age. The present and last three
Principal Heralds of Calontir (including myself) have been authorized fighters
with two of them having fighting awards. I was well over 40 when I last did a
basic authorization (after a several year layoff from fighting). I did receive
a good deal of harassment from senior heralds in other kingdoms for going on
the field at Estrella rather than smozing at heralds point. It left me feeling
sad about their limitations... Fight if you want to and do heraldry if you
want to. It is your choice.
From: Gretchen@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Gretchen)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Device Advice Request
Date: 7 Dec 92 19:05:50 GMT

Hi Steve/Morien,

Good to see you on line!

In answer to your questions:  If Misty Highlands is still an official
group, they are required to have a herald.  This is the person who
should be taking your submision.  If not, I would guess the herald at
either Port Oasis, Afongara or BMDL would take it.  If you don't get a
newsletter I can send you the names and numbers of the BMDL and Afongara
heralds.  I believe the cost of submissions is $6 per element, ($6 for
each device, $6 for  each name, $6 for each badge, etc), check goes to
SCA, INC--Principality of Aethelmearc.

Offhand, I don't see any conflicts in the old armorial, and these are
the only three I'd question in the recent armorial. (i'm new at this, so
I'm being conservative).  I think each should be clear, because you get
a point of difference for the field, one each color difference, one for
the object issuing from the cup, and one for the cup being charged (I
think charged/uncharged may make a difference, though type of charge
doesn't).  I haven't checked for mundane conflicts, because there isn't
a handy Papsworth online (unlike the armorial)

Amber Sturmwolf|9205 (East)|B|(Fieldless) A demi-wolf sable issuant from
a goblet Or

Ansitruda Helgasdottir|9112 (East)|B|(Fieldless) A demi-stag issuant
from a goblet argent

Leopold von Babenhausen|9111 (East)|B|(Fieldless) Two dragon's heads
addorsed vert issuant from a goblet Or

toodles, gretchen  -- lurker on the lists
From: Joshua@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Joshua)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: badge return
Date: 3 Dec 92 17:13:16 GMT

------- Start of forwarded message -------
 > Lindorm writes:
 >
 > [text deleted]
 >
 > <Brigantia says that adding rigging to "On a square sail per bend azure and
 > argent a sun counterchanged" would make it "overly complex for a fieldless
 > badge".>

Well, that's my submission, as it happens.  Interesting to see all the
comments!  (Especially since I hadn't seen the LoAR yet....)  The history
behind it is that it was submitted without the rigging, and Arval asked me
to redraw it because Laurel might consider it arms of pretence --- though
as he has pointed out, arms were displayed on all sorts of things, and it's
silly to ban all of them.

At any rate, although Arval thinks that it's not any more complex than some
period examples, I've decided it's too complex to draw in a hurry, so I'm
not going to appeal.  I mentioned earlier that I'm thinking of submitting
"On a sun azure a lozenge Or" to replace it, but I didn't get any opinions
(this was after it was discovered that the Smithsonian used "A sun azure".
Anyone come up with any opinions since then?

Thanks for all the input!

                        ---Simon

------- End of forwarded message -------
From: Gordon.Livingstone@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Gordon Livingstone)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Poll Message
Date: 8 Dec 92 17:20:10 GMT


 MC>   This is our annual poll message.  Since traffic on this echo seems to
 MC>   have subsided I would like to know how many participants we have.
 MC>   Also any suggestions or tips?
 MC>     Marv Cotton, Co-Moderator

We got you loud and clear in North Vancouver. 

Thanks for the wonderful work you people are doing...

Gord
From: uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO.Greetings@fquest.FidoNet.Org (uunet!SASK.USASK.CA!BOYKO Greetings)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: acorns of aboz
Date: 3 Dec 92 18:08:59 GMT

Greetings once again from Layamon leVavasour, who has finally had a
chance to check a papworth's on the acorns.
There are three problems with the proposal, as I see it.
Vert, 3 acorns Or
Vert, 3 acorns slipped Or
Gules, 3 acorns Or
um, would you like a bordure or something? I SO like the simplicity
of your proposal.
Layamon, who has to get back to his MA thesis now.
From: Donald.Butterfield@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Donald Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: I am here
Date: 11 Dec 92 05:08:13 GMT

Marv,

  I am here, receiving this echo, Missing People Echo and on the MISCHILD
filebone. Thanks...

  I have not got a child*.ZIP file in the filebone since I started a few months
ago though. I have received a few straggling *.gif files and a lot of those
were invalid gif files, or so my viewers say they are invalid.

  The last CHILD*.ZIP I received has been the CHILD22.ZIP is it possible to
again send the others through the filebone.