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From: roachp@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: Static Charge on A3000?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:43:39 GMT

Well folks, I think I have just burnt a chip in my A3000.
Symptoms:
Communication ports started to act up.
Re booted the machine and the whole shabang went dead.
No hard drive and no floppy drive.

What I think happened is I got a static charge through my Par. port,
and fried a chip somewhere.

Questions:
What chip could it be?
How much money is required to replace it (if it is a chip)?
Can I repair it myself ( if no soldering is required )?

I have been waiting for lightning to strike, and it did!
But to happen when a I week off to play around with what I want,
can only be a bummer..
Peter Roach
Manitoba
From: vishart@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joseph Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Imagine Mailing List
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec31.005027.13572@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>, ua197@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Christopher Stewart) writes...
> 
> 
>     Could someone please e-mail me the address for the Imagine 
>mailing list? Surely a FAQ ;-).
> 
>-- 
>So far on the cutting edge, my butt's coleslaw...................
>Yea, Right!!! On a 512k A1000 ;-)................................
>Internet: ua197@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
>Fidonet: Christopher Stewart @ 1:340/43

the imagine mailing list address is :
   imagine@email.sp.paramax.com

the mailing address of the moderator is :
   dave@flip.sp.paramax.com

I am not sure of the subscription address...

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From: bv077@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerry Michael Mullins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How does 2.04 perform on A500???????????????????
Date: 25 Dec 1992 19:45:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Quoting jdblake:
=====
I'm weriously comtimplating pruchasing the 2.04 ROMS. I have a 
1 meg a500. My question is:

	How will 2.04 perform on my A500
	????????????????????????????????
=====

	My experience with 2.04 in ROM and WB 2.04 then WB 2.1
has been delightful. Not only is 2.xx more attractive it is the
obvious result of a great deal of customer oriented software
engineering. More functional than anything elso Commodore has 
released. More intuitive. Professionally attractive (doesn't
look like a toy anymore)

	Definitly worth the money. It helped me decide to stick
with my A500 for awhile longer (At lease until C= offers a
truely stupendous Power Up deal). My advice? Do yourself a 
favor and buy the ROM.

//////////////////////////
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                (206) 396-6148 = Days
                (206) 692-1439 = Evenings (Pacific time)
From: u2d92@seq1.keele.ac.uk (MJ Gumbley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A2000 upgrade to KickStart 3.00 - possible?
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:33:07 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Hello all,

  I've got a revision 4 A2000, which I've upgraded to 2.04 KS, and WB 2.05
- very nice it is too, nice one, Commodore, and all that.

  Now that the 1200 is available, 

  1) Will 3.00 be sold as an upgrade pack, and if so, when should I expect 
     to see it in shops?

  2) Does it work on non-AGA machines, as my machine has the Old chipset. I
     could upgrade Denise, though...

  3) Would it work on my ancient-but-part-of-the-furniture A2000?

  Merry Christmas, all, from Matt.

--
Matt J. Gumbley              || Still needs a good signature, not liking
u2d92@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk    || any of his recent feeble improvements on:
University of Keele, England || Why can't _I_ think of a good signature?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Edward_Swatschek@mindlink.bc.ca (Edward Swatschek)
Subject: Re: Does ECS fix flicker?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:50:02 GMT

Your mail bounced, so public it is.

> Bruce Fancher writes:
>
>          Does the ECS chipset deinterlace (like the flicker fixer)?  Is
> this chipset available for the A2000?  Please respond through mail.


No. What the ECS does do is add a 640x480 4-colour non-interlace screen mode.
Running a hires-interlace 16-colour Workbench with your current set-up should
give
you an idea of it's speed. ;)

And yes, it's available for the 2000. It consists of replacement chips for
the
Denise (8373) and Agnus (8372A). The new screen-modes require AmigaOS 2.x+, I
believe.
--

               Edjs                    _
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From: br365@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Justin W. Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum LP120S
Date: 26 Dec 1992 23:30:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


responding on the quantum 120LPS, I formatted mine to 116 megs as 
well, and mine had 2 bad sectors from the factory.  I am sure the other
4 or so megs are devoted to the BAM, and to routing out bad blocks..
-- 
Justin Richards   -   Hybris.UUCP
INET:  br365@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
UUCP:  ..mmedia!mwblind!hybris!justin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Data/Instruction Cache & BURST modes on 68030? Why/when?
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:10:10 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: SCS GP/Engineering Cluster

In article <smcgerty.725067816@unix1.tcd.ie>, smcgerty@unix1.tcd.ie (Stephen John McGerty) writes:
>In <72192@cup.portal.com> Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON) writes:
>>Data cache is an area of memory(varies in size with different processors,
>>generally, more is better) that the cpu saves data that might be used over
>>again.
>> 
>>Instruction cache is similar, but instead of data, it caches instructions that
>>the cpu executes.  
>> 
>>Burst mode is a memory access where the memory can send to the CPU 
>>several long words of data.  This happens faster than if each long
>>word was a separate access. 
>> 
>>The 68020 has a single cache for data and instructions,
>
>Nope. The 68020 has a 256 byte instruction cache. No data can be
>stored there. 
>
>>There are no such things as stupid, dumb, or ignorant questions, just
>>stupid, dumb, or ignorant people that will not ask questions.
>
>With this in mind, why is it that Motorola have seperate instruction
>and data caches? On the i486 there is a single 8k cache used for
>both instructions and data. On the M68040, there is one 4k cache
>for data, and another 4k cache for instructions. Which is better?

    Well, there are several advantages to a seperated arrangment.  A major one
is that it opens the way for the CPU to be able to access both caches 
simultaneously, therefor reducing access latency to the caches.  This is not
possible on a unified cache arrangement.  In general, the 80x86 cache
organization is not as advanced as that found on other platforms.

                 ----------------------------------------
           LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
              "You mean you want MORE lights on this thing???"
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From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Data/Instruction Cache & BURST modes on 68030? Why/when?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:00:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub10.cs.itc.hp.com

Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON) writes:
> You should leave the setting  alone!  A small tutorial is in order!
> SetPatch will setup the system correctly so that the caches and burst
> are correct for the Amiga. 

The question was about setting caches for a CSA Mega-Midget Racer.  Setpatch 
may set the caches for A2620/30s and for A3000 and A4000 systems but it cannot 
set the caches for the MMR.  SETPATCH runs long before the MMR initialization
program.  Either SETCPU (for 1.3) or CPU (for 2.0 and up) should be used to 
change the cache states with the MMR.  SETCPU was included with my MMR 
utilities disk but nothing was explained about using it.  I run CPU in my 
user-startup to enable instruction and data caching and to copy the kickstart
kickstart rom to 32 bit DRAM (I have a MMU in my MMR).


Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: How to put a CLock in A1200
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:01:25 GMT

Since the clock has a seperate conector than the FAST-Ram slot, is there
an easy way to add one?

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: MaXtor 310M hard disk
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:29:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The Maxtor XT-4380E is a ESDI drive. I doubt you'll find a way to use
it on an Amiga. Try selling it and buy a SCSI drive.
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Data/Instruction Cache & BURST modes on 68030? Why/when?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 08:51:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

You should leave the setting  alone!  A small tutorial is in order!
SetPatch will setup the system correctly so that the caches and burst
are correct for the Amiga. 
 
Data cache is an area of memory(varies in size with different processors,
generally, more is better) that the cpu saves data that might be used over
again.  The data is saved and if the cpu needs that same address before it
is overwritten with a different data item, you have what is called a hit.
A hit is good since it lets the cpu skip a memory reference which slows
it down(wait states, clock cycles to access memory).  If the data is 'hit'
often, you get a performace increase.  if data cache is off, you never get
a hit. 
 
Instruction cache is similar, but instead of data, it caches instructions that
the cpu executes.  This can be a bigger hit rate than data when you have small
tight coded loops for example where all the instructions end up in
the cache and the cpu can run them full speed over and over again.
 
Burst mode is a memory access where the memory can send to the CPU 
several long words of data.  This happens faster than if each long
word was a separate access.  This pre-loads the cache and allows you
to get extra 'hits' on the instruction cache(or data cache).  There
are times(code that branches) where this might slow down the cpu, but
in general it wil speed it up slightly.
 
The 68020 has a single cache for data and instructions, the 68030
has separate ones.  The cache size in this case is 256 bytes.  The
68040 has 4096 byte caches for instruction and for data.
 
There are no such things as stupid, dumb, or ignorant questions, just
stupid, dumb, or ignorant people that will not ask questions.
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: HELP! IS THE AMIGA 1200 BULLSH*T OR WHAT?
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:43:12 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <pati.724700639@milton> pati@milton.u.washington.edu (Pati Irish) writes:
> 
>1- Can you use a 1084 to display AGA, and if so in AGA mode on a 1084 does it
>flicker terribly?

Yes and no. AA gives you more colors in any of the old resolutions. This is
definitely displayable on a 1084. Also HAM8 in such resolutions is no
problem. Only those other modes that require a multisynch are not useable
on a 1084, like DblPAL, etc.

>2- Can you add a alternative 2.5 than those that are offered in the 1200 HD
>package, i mean i heard if you buy a 2.5 drive and add it yourself it gives you
>major problems.. true?

It's still under investigation which drives work and which are causing
problems. I can already assure you that there are more than two that are
ok :-). Hopefully we'll see an official compatibility list one day. But
this is no easy thing as I heard: Testing is difficult (for which flaw
do you have to search), and the behaviour is very dependant on the
revision of the firmware onboard of the drive, and these are changing
in daily cycles. Not easy to follow. *If* there is such a list, it *must*
be reliable, and this is very difficult to guarantee under such circustances.

>3- I heard the audio output level is so high it wont work on alternative sources
>or is terribly distored can you plug it up to a stereo aux and does it sound ok?

I heard about a fix that's now applied, but sorry, nothing precise.

>4- So I guess thats it, whats every ones opinion should i sell my curent setup
>and get a 1200? SOME PLEASE ANSWER THESE! Thanks..

I recommend the A1200. It's the cutest machine I saw since the A500 in
this price range.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: Bradley@amusers.UUCP (Bradley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Need Help: A2000 Hardware Problem
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:57:56 PST
Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

In a message dated Tue 29 Dec 92  2:47, gerry@pizzabox.dialogic.com (Gerry
Lachac) wrote:

 GL> I have an old A2000 (Rev 4.2 Motherboard) that I bought via the first
 GL> CBM power-up program many many moons ago.  It is currently outfitted
 GL> with 2.04, a Microway Flicker-Fixer, an old CBM 2 meg expansion card
and
 GL> a
 GL> GVP 030/22-combo.

 GL> Within the past month, whenever I boot the system, it will
 GL> hang at random spots during the system boot.  Sometimes a clock
 GL> program fails, sometimes Shadowmaster, sometimes Toolmanager.  It also
 GL> will crash during the first program I launch at random times.
 GL> HOWEVER, if I reset the machine 6 or 7 times (until everything seems
 GL> to work), the machine will run flawlessly until I shut if off.

 GL> -gerry


        What I would suggest Gerry, is to load up HDToolBox (or whatever HD
partitioning software you use) and make sure that the file system on the
RDB is the latest version.  You can achieve this in HDToolbox by;

1> Selecting the Drive in question
2> Select Partition Drive
3> Select Advanced options
4> Select Add/Update File systems
5> Delete the FastFileSystem entry that's there and replace from your 2.0x
disk
6> Save changes to drive and exit

NOTE:  Under 2.0x there is no need to actually have the filesystem on the
RDB (Rigid Disk Block) of the harddrive.  This is only necessary if you
want to be able to boot under 1.2 or 1.3 and be able to mount the drive. 
The FastFileSystem is now in ROM, andand is not needed on the RDB when
booting under 2.0x.

I have seen old FastFileSystem versions cause problems similar to yours
severaltimes since 2.04 became available.  Hopefully this should solve your
problem.


 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: lukec@terapin.com (Luke Chastain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: How does 2.04 perform on A500???????????????????
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:02:34 GMT
Organization: BBS

As all my answers are, simple, it runs fine I haven't had any trouble with it.
I crash allot but thats due to a bunch of IVS retards (sorry but it pisses me
off) who designed the Meta4 board.
From: Rick_Lang@amusers.UUCP (Rick Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WB2.1 & CrossDOS
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:37:45 PST
Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC


JJ> From: jwalkup@terapin.com (Jeff Walkup)

JJ> I just noticed [in WB2.1]:  Why was "RexxMast" removed
JJ> from the Startup-sequence?  I couldn't figure out why my ARexx stuff
JJ> wasn't working until I noticed this.  So I put it back in myself.  Was
JJ> there a reason to take it out?

This is a good change since many people would comment it out of the
Startup-sequence file in order to custom define their rexx environment
via user-startup which was executed before the WB2.0 rexxmast.

 * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] *

-- Via DlgQWK v0.65a(UnReg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: A1200 config questions
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:54:57 GMT

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

>Ok, I got a new A1200 and a A1960 monitor. Before the
>monitor died (after an hour of use... what a peice of shit!)
>I noticed that no matter what you want to do, the AGA chips
>are unable to generate a display that I can center on my monitor!
>Even with all the monitor controls maxed out the damn screen
>is still shifted to the right! This only happens with the
>non-ntsc/pal modes.

>Is there any way I can get the machine to plunk the display in
>the center of the screen (what a concept!) so I can adjust
>the monitor such that the display fills the whole screen? I want to
>use a 640x400 + max overscan centered on the monitor!

Well very simple put in the vgaonly monitor type in your devs monitor 
drawer and all is better.  Yet dbl modes will have a blank space and
unable to fill it, since the a1960 doesn't have horizontal widening.
I like the productivity mode myself.  I use super72 interlace when
I really need space.  

Yet to no avail I too have to return the a1960 monitor, since it went
on the fritts a few days after purchase.  I wish the place I bought it
from didn't have a 25% restocking fee for returns or I would try the
sony 1302.  C= needs to replace the a1960 monitor bad, they must be 
losing thousands on all the returns they have of them.  Everyone I 
know has had to replace at least their first a1960 for another.


Martin

-- 
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From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Hard disk performance speeds
Distribution: world
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MIME-Version: 1.0
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Date: 23 Dec 92 19:19:33 PST
Organization: Bears Incorporated

In article <37954@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:
> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
> >Does anyone know a good Shareware or PD HD speed benchmarker?  Also,
> >what are typical rates on a Quantum?
> 
> Hmmm....  Maybe DiskSpeed 4.2.  I know we use it all the time...
> (But then, I also wrote it :-)
> 

Pity its CPU figures are not accurate :-)

-- 

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Victoria       :FIDO 3:633/359.6 AMIGANET 41:300/359.6 TRINET 42:8699/8.6
Australia      :Amiga Programmer, UniSYS 1100/2200 Systems Programmer
From: drchip@tbag.tscs.com (Myron Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help with Accelerator needed
Date: 25 Dec 92 23:50:18 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

That would depend on which accelerator you are using.

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: WB2.1 & Rexxmast
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <58063@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
 >In article <1992Dec28.184813.16009@cbnews.cb.att.com> itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
 >>Not saying it's good or bad, but all you really have to do is put Rexxmast
 >>in the WBstartup drawer.
 >
 >	I vote for executing it from s:user-startup instead.  What
 >happens if you upgrade to (say) 3.0 and there's a new version of ARexx?
 >The old one will still be sitting in WBStartup and getting executed
 >on bootup.  

That's why I never put original icons in WBStartup, only duplicates.
Use the WB Icons/Copy menu item to create a copy of the program in question,
then drag this copy to WBStartup. If you want to let it look nice, finally
rename the icon in WBStartup to its old name by deleting the preceding
"copy_of_" string.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Tape Backups for Amiga 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Agnus, 2 MB, chip
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 09:07:21 GMT


Do most of these tape backup such as Colorado Memory Systems work with 
the Amiga?


Thanks,


                                      NCW
From: bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us (Bob Burdeau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: HP500C -> HP550C upgrade
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:34:39 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network

Does that mean that the Deskjet550C will print 4 color printouts ( CMYK as
opposed to CMY for the 500C)?  Is there any drivers for the Amiga for this to
take advantage of the 4 process colors?  I assume the 500C drivers do not allow
4 color process printing.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: skellner@uceng.uc.edu (Sean Kellner)
Subject: Longshot: Is there a SMD HD controller for Amigas?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:07:41 GMT


  I have an oppertunity of getting a really large hard drive for really 
little dough.  The only problem is I have an AMiga 3000 and the drive is
an external 8 inch (plus case) SMD from a workstation of some sort. 
Its a Fujitsu M2372K and I need to know if there is a way to hook this all
up.  I dont care if its an ugly hack, as long as it works consistently and
goes reasonably fast (dont need workstation speed, at least close to a 
Bounilli is all I am shooting for, anything else is gravy).  There is a 
controller available for PC, could I use the Golden Gate contraption and 
have the whole thing work or is there a controller out there??
 
 Thanks, reply as you wish, here or to

     skellner@uceng.uc.edu
     skellner@ddt.occ.uc.edu

-- 
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