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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Advice needed - exercise/conditioning
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:52:47 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
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Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <3979@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> szurek@vms.cis.pitt.edu (Joe R Szurek) writes:
> I have a daughter who has recently taken up ice skating - freestyle.  I was
> wondering what kind of exercise program would/would not be good, especially 
> when she is skating infrequently (such as summer).  Does anyone want to
> give some advice or recommend any good sources - books, etc.

There are two books that you may want to check out, depending on the age
of your daughter.  One is by Robert S. Ogilvie and is essentially a parents
guide to figure/freestyle/competitive skating - the title escapes me at
the moment(*).  The other book is by Michael Petkevitch - "The Skaters
Handbook" - and is oriented towards a more mature skater.

You will probably not find either of these books in your local bookstore,
but check the public library or order them through the bookstore.  Note
that both of these authors also have good general skating books out -
Ogilvie's "Basic Skating Skills" is the standards USFSA guide, and
Petkevitch's "Figure Skating - Championship Techniques" - are good books
for general skating information.

As far as excercise programs you probably want to discuss this with your
daughter's instructor.   If she is young, there is probably nothing
specific indicated, but if she is at the age where games turn to sports,
you would probably want to encourage some kind of aerobic activity,
runing, biking, swimming - whatever she enjoys, yet doesn't require a
full-time commitment.  Basically, she should be in reasonable physical
condition so that skating is not overly physically demanding (except
perhaps at the extremes of competitive jumps).

Dance and Gymnastics are also traditionally related activities, but here
you really must work with the instructor to arrive at a mutually agreeable
program...

(*) It could be "Competitive Figure Skating - A Parents Guide", but I'm
not sure - ask the bookstore or library to look it up for you...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: hall@mars.cs.umbc.edu (Marty Hall)
Subject: In-Line Locations and/or Lessons in San Diego?
Organization: AAI Corp AI Lab, UMBC CS Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:01:42 GMT


Thanks to all who sugested locations in Silicon Valley for my
recent trip to the AAAI conference. Thanks especially to Kimon,
who got me in touch with Sandy Snakenberg for advanced lessons.

Now I'm heading out to San Diego for the LISP conference, LUV-92.
Any sugestions on places to skate? How about a contact that might
offer intermediate-level lessons, especially for freestyle?

	Thanks-
					- Marty
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From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: 2nd Leg of Kryptonics Series in Sacramento CA Sat 25th
Organization: HoloNet Internet BBS: 510-704-1058
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:27:57 GMT

Just in case you forgot, the second leg of the Kryptonics series will
be held in Sacramento California this weekend at Land Park near Sacramento City
College.  Races begin at 9:00am.

Events will be 10Kpro, 10K, and 100M, 300M, 500M sprints.  There will also
be a 5K fun skate.

Call the ORAA at 415-752-1967 for more info.


Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:45:22
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: rogue@cellar.org's message of 19 Jul 92 09:08:29 GMT

In article <u9i6NB12w164w@cellar.org> rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor) writes:
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   From: rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor)
   Newsgroups: rec.skate
   Date: 19 Jul 92 09:08:29 GMT
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   ABC ran an event called the Rolleriad (or was it Rollerium?) Saturday
   afternoon on Wide World of Sports.  Held at Universal Studios in Florida, it
   featured Team Rollerblade in speed and slalom competitions against members
   of the U.S. Olympic Gymnastics, Skiing, and Figure Skating teams.

   I only got to see a small piece of the competition, but in the Women's
   Slalom, the figure skaters took the top three times (in two-person heats),
   beating the skiers and members of Team Rollerblade!


Were are the people using inlines?

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From: esova@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Edward R Sova)
Subject: rollerhockey
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:00:21 GMT

	I asked a while ago about Olympic Rollerhockey and got responses,
someone told me I was digging up an old thread, if so, could someone send
a good summary of that thread.
	My questions are about, the size and composition of the rink, is
checking allowed? are there boards? what skates are they using?  How many
countries have teams? how are we (USA) doing?

thanx for any replies,


  ___
  \  \      Mr. Ed on rollerblades?  Nah, that's:
  _\  \      esova@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu       Prodigy:CBGX09A
 \_____\       but his friends call him Ed,
 o o o o                    yeah that Ed Sova Kid, he answers to anything.
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: spins
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:38:10
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: hall@mars.cs.umbc.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 19:02:53 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.190253.591@umbc3.umbc.edu> hall@mars.cs.umbc.edu (Marty Hall) writes:


   Are there any other "tricks"? It doesn't take much to make me dizzy, and
   now that I am starting (starting only :-) to get the hang of heel-toe
   spins (on in-lines), the dizziness *really* wipes me out. Perhaps my body
   will adjust, but anything to ease the transition in the meantime would be
   great. Albert: what happens to those of us who can only do spins one
   direction? How much of a counter-spin does it take to help?

Here are some more tips. One can do what dancers do and "spot" a
specific location. One keeps their eyes trained on a specific spot as
long as possible until one unspots and respots evey rev. I never did
like doing this and fails if the revs/min are too high. (They are for
me.) The other trick is to try to not focus your eyes far field -- get
them to break focus. In fact it gets to be hard to keep focus the
faster you spin. Make your brain just see a blur. It seems to me that
once you are conditioned enough to put a lot of energy into spins the
dizziness issues just disappear. This may be physiological. The
counter-spin can be very mild -- just "walk" through it. It
counteracts the feeling that you are still spinning.

Once you get you spins down you will want to know about finishes. One
*great* style of finish is to find way to dump angular momentum as
fast a s possible. One characteristic stop of mine is to dump yourself
on the ground -- kneel one one knee. This is a *fast* stop -- one can
do it in the middle of a fast spin. Extending the leg is a momentum
dump. I would not like to do this on hard pavement. Another finish is
to convert to another spin -- for example convert a toe spin to a heel
spin. Another is to convert to a stationary jump, etc, etc.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt-x8236)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Summary: In-lines are not slower; let's keep a civilized tone here
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:42:31 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <1992Jul29.234129.969@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> ndliles@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>	Well George ya stepped in it again. The reason bladers are slow
>at the rink (even good ones) has everything to do with bearings, the way
>you have your skates rockered, and ability. I wish you would go out and
>get a pair yourself and get first hand experience instead of trying to
>speculate on every aspect of roller blading.

The evidence doesn't bear this out: racing in-line skaters are faster than
quad skates, even on indoor 100m tracks.

From talking to some racers at the USAC/RS meet in the Springs: quad wheels
will slide in turns; in-line wheels will hold, even at the tiny-radius turns
indoors.

----------------------------------------------------------------

ND, I request that we keep the tone civilized on this group. George has been a
regular and valuable contributor (arguably, the most valuable contributor)
since before the creation of this group. Even if you think what he's saying is
blatantly wrong, there's no reason to use inflammatory words.

If you have evidence that something said is incorrect, present the evidence.
Your facts will speak for themselves.

We enjoy a fairly extraordinary s/n ratio in this group. It's my fond hope
that we can continue to maintain this quality.

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Good rinks in Texas
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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Hi,

I am planning my trip to Austin Texas and would like to know about
good rinks with adult sessions along my vacation path. My definition
of a good rink is as follows:

  * Adult session(s) {The more the better.}
  * Session has current dance music
  * Wood floor
  * "Enlightened~ management

In Austin there only seems to be one rink (Playland on Tuesday -- the
two Skateworlds seem to be zip) that has an adult session. Is this
correct?

For the sake of planning by trip I would like to know about good rinks
(and session times) in the following towns:


Texas:
Huston
San Antonio
Dallas/Ft. Worth
(Waco)
Austin

Louisiana:
Shreveport
Baton Rouge
New Orleans

By the way, these towns form a loop am planning to take on my visit.
I heard of a *two* floor rink in Texas. Where is (was) it located?


Filling my ten-gallon hat with rink information,
Albert Boulanger    (Have skates -- will travel.)
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:42:14
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: dcchan@engin.umich.edu's message of Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:27:09 EDT


In article <J-T-RZ+@engin.umich.edu> dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan) writes:


   I met a New York skater (at the D.C. IISA clinic) who did one-toe spins and
   also did some funky two-toed spins that was quite amazing.  He would be doing
   dance routines one his toe wheels and also come ripping down the stretch with
   a circular pattern that's hard to describe.  He'd trace out a circle with
   his skates in the clockwise direction and immediately switch to the CCW 
   direction (the skates trace out one circle together, not one circle each.)
   and kept doing this as long as he wanted.  He showed me a couple drills to
   build up to it, but I'm still practicing 8-)  Takes a bit of balance and
   some firm ankles.

That CW/CCW step you descibe sounds like the "grape vine".


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:56:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

|    Did anyone get the full results from this event?

Sorry, I watched, but didn't track all the results.  Still, a certain hazy 
memory function does survive.

I was surprised that the men's race was thru the Universal Studios near 
Hollywood (or some other equally unlikely place). It and most of the other 
races shown looked more like obstacle courses...from the slalom to the 5k 
mens or ladys. The womans race was on wet pavement (due to rain)...and was 
discontinued after one skater broke 'free' (sliding and unhurt) around one 
of the first turns.

I was impressed by the camara angles and the dance team's enthusiansm.  
Unfortunately, some bright-eyed child producer thought it would be much 
better to show something that looked like MTV than actually show the dance 
team's work-outs.  (note:  Not REALLY impressed at all!)

This show was part of a three week-end (saturdays) preliminary report From CBS.
Sigh...I know.  Would everyone who missed this please raise their hands?

The neatest thing I saw during the whole thing, was someone appartently doing
a series of fast spins...ON THEIR TOES!  HONEST!!!
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Anybody prefer blading on worn wheels?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:54:46 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <8eR49iS00WCsA22VpA@andrew.cmu.edu> jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
> 
>   > Anybody out there besides me actually _prefer_ worn wheels to new (or
>  >  newly-rotated) ones?  I let my first set wear quite a bit before rotating
> >   them; my first skate afterwards seemed _much_ more difficult, even 
> >   accounting for my "adjusting" to the new, non-worn wheels.  Seems I
> >   can't get nearly as much speed or power now, whereas I was really 
> >   getting comfortable/good with my "broken-in" wheels.  
> 
> I use conventional skates and also like the feel of "broken-in" wheels.
> Once I get me skates to the point where they are comfotable I HATE to
> change anything.  I personally use a very hard wheel. I use the Ranalli
> 60 wheel. I also have Fafner bearings.

I always wondered why people liked noisey hard "clay" wheels that look like
they're a hundred years or so old.  I guess it's just a matter of whatever
you're used to.  I started with cheap soft wheels and then switched to
standard dance style urethane guys.  Once I got over the "slippery"
sensation, I'm happy with them.

> At this rink there are people that do blade but they seem to be working
> there asses off to keep going. Is this because of the wooden floor and
> the softer wheels on blades or is there another reason? I would like to
> know if it is possible. Thanks.

I think the biggest reason is simply that the bladers you see at rinks
are generally not very proficient.  Skating with real ease, efficiency
and confidence whatever the medium seems to require at least a hundred
hours (or two) on skates, be it a year of sessions or whatever (luckily
it's plenty fun getting there!)

When in-line folks show up at the rink, you often see the same kind of
problems as with other beginners or learing skaters.  Walking around the
rink, legs spread or not returning to center, rocking from side to side
and more obvious with in-lines, loose boots flopping around the ankles.

As far as mechanical efficiency, there should be no real problem with
the in-lines, but if they are not set up with rockered wheels, any arc
involves a dragging component (relative of the individual wheel contact
patch not normal to the axle).  This means that in-lines either have to
work on the turns or cope with walking straight segments with cross-overs
like ice speed skates.

The other factor is that with a good in-line skater (should you be so
lucky as to encounter one), once the novelty factor wears off, you
simply cease to note that they are skating on in-lines!

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:27:09 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <42090016@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
>
>The neatest thing I saw during the whole thing, was someone appartently doing
>a series of fast spins...ON THEIR TOES!  HONEST!!!

I met a New York skater (at the D.C. IISA clinic) who did one-toe spins and
also did some funky two-toed spins that was quite amazing.  He would be doing
dance routines one his toe wheels and also come ripping down the stretch with
a circular pattern that's hard to describe.  He'd trace out a circle with
his skates in the clockwise direction and immediately switch to the CCW 
direction (the skates trace out one circle together, not one circle each.)
and kept doing this as long as he wanted.  He showed me a couple drills to
build up to it, but I'm still practicing 8-)  Takes a bit of balance and
some firm ankles.

-Tony Chen
 dcchan@cherry.engin.umich.edu
 (ex-adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu)
Organization: Comp & Comm - Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:17:52 -0400 
From: "Jim Thomas Park , Jr." <jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: spins

>I haven't seen too many people spin on their toes -- most people I've seen
>doing two foot spins place most of their weight on the heel of their right
>foot and the toe of their left, if spinning counterclockwise.  Things 
>really get exciting when quad skaters start spinning on just one foot --
>tricks include heel spins and "broken ankle" spins, both very interesting to
>watch when done well.

Bob,
	I have seen this done quit a bit. I skate (for the past 22 years) at
Neville Roller Drome in Pittsburgh. Some of my friends could do spins on
their heels and/or their toe. Normally I can spin "ok" on 1 foot note
here that all 4 wheels are on the ground. We could also skate on any two
wheels that you asked.

	If anybody is interested in hearing about a trick or two that are
pretty impressive but could be dangerous  just let me know.  One other
question, Is there anybody out there that can do splits while rolling.
Either regular splits or stradle splits. We used to do alot of those. 

							-Jim
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rolleriad on WWoS
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:45:38 GMT
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM's message of Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:56:02 GMT

In article <42090016@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:

   The neatest thing I saw during the whole thing, was someone appartently doing
   a series of fast spins...ON THEIR TOES!  HONEST!!!


On quads (conventiaonal skates) this is the best way to get real
stable fast spins. This is the way I do them (on quads). Were they
doing them on inlines?


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
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From: jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin)
Subject: Re: skating barefoot
Organization: The Rift from Here to There
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.080917.1556@cco.caltech.edu>, jcc@cco.caltech.edu (Julian C. Chen) writes:
|> I'm wondering whether there is anybody who prefers to skate barefoot, i.e.
|> not wearing socks while skating (either on the road or on the ice). Does
|> anybody have a preference one way or the other. I hear that it enables one
|> to feel the surface better, and I personally find it more comfortable skating
|> without socks.
|> Any comments or opinions?

Skating without socks may seem more comfortable now... until your skate boots
start picking up all kinds of nasty fungi, bacteria, etc, which will make your
feet REALLY unhappy. 

-- 
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Joe Ogulin

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Disclaimer:  The above article is solely my opinion and does not necessar-
ily reflect that of my employer.  The content is my responsibility alone.
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From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Subject: What is the difference between 77 mm and 72 mm wheels ???
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:11:54 GMT

When do you use 76 or 77 mmm or larger wheel on your inline skates??
What is the difference or when to use small wheel or large wheel??
 
Thank you inadvance for your help.       
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From: rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig)
Subject: questions...
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:57:00 GMT

Hi everyone!

I've been lurking here for a little while, but finally decided to post.  I
remember how much fun it was to rollerskate when I was a kid and teenager, and
am thinking about starting it again.  So I have some questions!

First off, I'm 28, not in great shape (I'd like to lose over 100 lbs.), but do
exercise occasionally.  I have weak ankles (always sprain them a lot).  What I
would like to know is what type of skates should I get?  In-lines or the "old-
fashioned" type?  I'd probably skate on sidewalks and the edges of the streets
in my neighborhood.  What's the best way to get started?  I'm nervous about 
falling.  But I do remember how much fun it was...

Oh also, I have huge feet for a girl and would have to probably get men's
skates, since I'm sure they don't make them in my size.  Does that make any
difference?

Anyway, I thought this would be a fun way to start into some exercise.  I'd
really appreciate any input.  Please e-mail me at rberteig@alumni.caltech.edu
(I use my husband's account).  Thank you!

Sincerely,
Michelle Berteig
rberteig@alumni.caltech.edu
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Skating exhibitions on TV tonight (7/30/92)
Keywords: Exhibitions, TV
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:27:57 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs


Yo ice fans,

Tonight, PBS is broadcasting an hour of exhibition performances by the
likes of Wylie, Kerrigan, the Protopopovs, and others.  In the San
Francisco Bay area, it's on channel 9 at 8:00 PM, PDT.

Yeah, I know that the ladies' all around is on at the same time...
that's what VCRs are for... :-)

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