From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Kathi, please be careful
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:52:09 GMT
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Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Apr14.122104.24950@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.020335.28843@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>> In <1992Apr13.201437.2232@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Apr12.203855.28178@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>> >>In <1992Apr12.190500.918@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) writes:
>> >>>In article <1992Apr12.165452.17782@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>> >>>>In a previous article, gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) says:
>> 
>> of them and didn't understand what they were trying to bring. The Indians
>> saw the priests as white men who had already terrorized them. However,
>> the priests continued to come to share the message. That is all we want.
>> For everyone to have the message, and then they can accept or deny
>> the God we reveal to them through the bible.

Sounds so *nice*. Steve, are you aware (I doubt it) of how the message was
*shared*. For example, once an indian group was captured by the 
army, they would seperate the children from the group, and take them
away to a boarding school (Christian Boarding schools). There their heads
were shaved and they were not allowed to see their families for 6 years.
Punishment for speaking their native languages was to be tied to their
desks by the PRIESTS for 2 days with no food and water. Any act of 
showing their "heathen" indian ways was grounds for a beating. 

Such a nice Christian "message". Steve, you are GROSSLY ignorant
about the treatment of the American Indian by the missionaries.

Now go away and read a book.

>
>The priests generally behaved as agents of those who would rape
>and destroy the native culture.  They were not, generally, agents
>of the Light of the World, or somesuch.  Really, Steve, the
>horrible levels of corruption, ignorance, hatred, and brutality
>that accompanied the coming of European culture to North
>America seem to have escaped you.  The native cultures were not
>perfect, but they were no more imperfect than the culture that
>conquered them, and did not deserve, in a moral sense, to
>be extinguished.  Conversion by force rather than reason is
>not my idea of a moral religion's righteous path.
>

Oh yes...and then the Priests settling the missionaries here in Califonia.
One way they used to get the locals under control was to go into their
camps (with guns...the local Pacific coastal indians were very docile
compared with their plains counterparts) round up the men and ask them...
in SPANISH...if they will except the Church. Since they didn't know 
SPANISH thye didn't know how to answer. But the good old Catholics
believed that if their soul was salvagable, God would provide a miracle
and the Indian would understand SPANISH and pledge himself to God. Well
guess what...if they didn't answer yes...they'd blow their heads off.

How Christian of them.

Go away Steve and read some literature on the History of the American
Indians and the Genocidal Campaign on them by the Christians in this
country.


anne
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