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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Aha! (was: Ohio State @ Northwestern)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:21:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ryn.1992Oct5.182133.6776
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In article <1992Oct4.161131.29823@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
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|> From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
|> Subject: Aha! (was: Ohio State @ Northwestern)
|> Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
|> Distribution: usa
|> Date: 4 Oct 92 16:11:31 CDT
|> Message-ID: <1992Oct4.161131.29823@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
|> References: <1992Oct4.040612.6731@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1992Oct4.193158.5031@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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|> 
|> In article <1992Oct4.193158.5031@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
|> >
|> >     P.S. Looks like I need to turn up my anti-woofing. Two weeks ago, I posted
|> >that I thought the Buckeyes were going to have trouble at Camp Randall. That 
|> >didn't do the trick. So let me just say this: The Illini will destroy us. 
|> >Level us. Verduzco (did I spell that right?) is going to pass for 400 yards and
|> >run for another 100. Predicted final score: Illinois 140, OSU -7. (There -- 
|> >that oughta do it!)
|> 
|> Aha!  Somebody else is applying my anti-woofing technique.  That explains
|> why it is no longer working - two people can't use it at once.
|> 
|> Well, I'm giving up on it.  Purdue has already ruined their season in my
|> opinion.  And Steven, be careful what you ask for.  Cooper has still yet to
|> beat Illinois in five tries, and none of those Illinois teams were
|> world-beater (though they were all quite competent).

   Not world-beaters, just National (Champion) beaters - Illinois 23, CU 22

|> 
|> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
|>
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami-ND
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:53:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Oct3.163751.27203@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>
>Second, let's consider the facts.  Lou Holtz was *not* seen on national TV 
>frantically imploring the official to start the game clock at the end of the 
>game (That was Gary Moeller.)  Also, It was not Notre Dame who failed to use a 
>single timeout with the intent to force a punt from deep in their own
>territory.  No, that was Michigan who ended the game with all three timeouts
>remaining.  So who really played for the tie?

Notre Dame.

All too easy.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: wuck fashington!!!
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:46:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.161617.25351@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>God I am so tired of reading the pac-10 fans wooofin' on east coast 
>teams and how great washoutton is. I hope they take the challange of 
>going to the fiesta bowl with us (FSU or MIAMI) and show  the usa what 
>brand of football UW plays: powderpuf (against pac-10) or hardhitting
>"espn in your face" where even the injured play (i.e. 
>armstead,torretta <UM  baker, m. jones <FSU)
>
>If ya cant handle the heat, get outta the kitchen!!!
>                      ^^^^   
>                         (or florida humidity)
>
>
>--->->->--------------G-O------N-O-L-E-S---------------------------------->
>James O'Connor                          FSU-vs-MIAMI
>JOCONNOR@evax.eng.fsu.edu               Oct 3,1992   12:00pm
>"  ... I don't need this shit!"         Orange Bowl, Miami
>              -kinison

I don't suppose it occured to you that both the Big 10 and the Pac 10 teams do
not go to the Rose Bowl by choice, but by OBLIGATION FROM THE CONFERENCE.

The contract with the Rose Bowl expires in 1995.  Either way, I don't think it
would be in Miami's, FSU's, or ANYBODY's best interest to tangle with Washington
because they'd get beatten, and beatten badly.

Joel Alvstad


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: UNI Stomps on ISU
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.035049.9107@ccad.uiowa.edu> tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu
(Timothy J Shannon) writes:

>	I would just like to congratulate the Northern Iowa Panthers on
>defeating Iowa State.  The Panthers are a Division I-AA (Currently ranked #4
>in the nation) school that had only beat Iowa State once, in 1900.  It was
>a fine show by UNI, and makes ISU a distant #3 in the state of Iowa.
>(1. Iowa, 2 UNI 3. ISU).  Good luck panthers!!!!!!!

Sorry Tim, but at this point, I doubt that Iowa is better than UNI. Any team
that recovers 6 TO's and still loses by 16 points, well, must be almost as bad
as ISU. UNI is tough; and they whipped a cocky ISU team (why ISU would be
cocky is beyond me, but they were).

Here is the proper rating:

UNI: best
Iowa: a ways behind UNI
ISU: A ways behind Iowa

ISU is still .500 (at least for 5 more days). When Iowa's record approaches
.500, we'll talk about Iowa being the best team in the state. Yes, Iowa has a
tough schedule, but the bottom line is that they have lost to the good teams
every time. And if you will remember, the Hawks weren't very impressive in
their one victory, at Kinnick, over ISU. 

By the way, what's the deal with Willie Guy; is he ever going to play a game
for Hayden?  This guy must hold the NCAA record for time spent ineligible to
play.

As for ISU, nothing is more frustrating than watching Bob Utter run the
offense. He simply refuses to pitch the ball on the option, and he is not
passing well, although his pass protection has not been stellar. After Utter
was knocked out Saturday with a concussion and sprained neck, second stringer
Donnie Smith didn't look too bad; at least he shows a willingness to run the
option properly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start against OU.  ISU
lost two starting offensive linemen early in UNI game (ankle injuries?); they
may not be back for OU. On defense, ISU played decent against the run, had no
pass rush, and the secondary was off in never-never land. 

If Walden can't come up with a victory over NU, OU, or CU, things could get
real nasty for him around here (as it is now, many people already want to see
him fired).  He is a nice fellow and he understands that his players are in
college to earn a degree, but these days the bottom line is money, and Cyclone
Stadium has not been close to full for any of the games this year.

Oh well, there are only about 3 more months till Johnny and the boys get
revenge.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ktreole@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kathleen Treole)
Subject: Re: Division 3 Game of the Year
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:11:42 GMT

I had just as great a time at Ithaca College Division III, games as I do now 
at Ohio State games.  Ithaca College had a quarterback win the Stagg Bowl
for them as a freshman and as a senior...not too many Division I players
have had that consistency.  Div. III tends to actually graduate players too.
So please don't knock it!

Actually a Division III coach is the third winningest coach in all of
football....Jim Butterfield....(I'm pretty sure!)

Not trying to flame, just feeling a little Division III pride!  :)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:34:25 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct2.131300.28118@b30.ingr.com>, rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com (Rick Hopkins) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct1.173555.24906@meaddata.com>, bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Oct1.145140.7854@cs.wm.edu>, djryan@ct.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan) writes:
|> |> |> 
|>  
|> |> Just out of curiousity, why does FSU care about ND?  They don't play
|> |> each other and haven't for years.  I don't think ND really cares one
|> |> way or the other about FSU, if anything ND fans root for them to beat
|> |> Miami.
|> 
|> I believe FSU will play ND in both '94 and '95.  I think the '94 game will
|> be @ ND and the '95 game will be @ neutral site, netexperts please confirm.

You are correct.  My question, though, still is why would Florida State
dislike ND.  The previous poster made it pretty obvious that FSU doesn't
like ND.  Disliking a team you haven't had contact with seems pretty
silly.

Also, I thought Lou Holtz and Bobby Bowden were pretty good buddies.
I think most ND fans respect Florida Sate.

|> |> 
|> |> Does Florida State play anyone tough this year besides Miami? (Not a
|> |> flame, I just want to know.)
|> 
|> Clemson @ Clemson
|> Miami @ Miami (WW III)
|> Georgia Tech @ Atlanta (I'll be there)
|> Virginia @ Charlottesville
|> Florida @ Tallahassee (WW IV)

Good, hopefully they'll crush the hated canes Saturday.

|> 
|> rick hopkins.
|> |> 
|> |> |> Dave Ryan
|> |> 
|> |> Bob Jones


Bob Jones
From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NU-Purdue result/Big Ten
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:10:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct4.234215.4781@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>Yeah, but Northwestern does have the potential to play decent football, and
>has the tools to do it.  A lot of the other teams have the potential to
>play bad football, too.

Northwestern played a great game, despite many sacks, Len Williams never
lost his composure, he just stepped up to the line and hit the next play,
exploding for 21 points in the second after a scoreless first qtr.

Purdue gave this away with DUMB penelties, DUMB turnovers, and DUMB
overthrown passes and DUMB dropped passes.  Other than that, we played
pretty well too.  Freshman punter/kick-off man Deignan had a GREAT day,
with lots of practice on the punt.  Jeff Z. had a great day, as Williams 
can attest, but you could see his and Calloway's frustration as they saw 
their last season probably turn into a losing one.  

>>[....] and tying Notre Dame looks less and less like a spectacular feat...
>>
>>What's going on?
>
>I disagree.  Notre Dame [....]
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Brian I can't beleive that you took a Northwestern WOOFing thread
and turned it into yet another discussion of that worthless game
played by those Fighting Frenchmen.  For God's sake, the pre-season
is over, lets quit talking about the egos under the dome.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:08:54 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <vrcpfvg@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>In article <BvKBp3.DEF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>>Miami has just reaffirmed itself as the #1 team in the country
>                                        ^^^^^
>>by defeating Florida State in an exciting battle at the Orange
>>Bowl.
>>
>>Miami 19
>>FSU   16   Final
>
>I guess they are still #2 on the CNN/USA Today poll just due to some
>typo then.   ;-)

Well, if you wait until tomorrow, things might change.  After all, both teams
have now beaten 2 ranked teams.  Miami beat the #3 team in the nation, while
Washington beat the #20 or so team.  
>
>-Eric Jaderlund
> jade@triton.unm.edu


-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Re: FSU v. Miami
Originator: sbanerj@c00754-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:40:49 GMT


In article <BvAMrM.BC9@news.larc.nasa.gov>, ohmann@sabaad.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale
Douglas) writes:

Both teams need a better running game.  Toretta is good but his protection
and receivers are not as good as in previous years.  FSU needs a better 
running game, also.  The OL is coming along, but Miami should give them
trouble.  Ward is continuing to improve.  The Seminole receivers are
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^ 
looking good.  Ward's scrambling ability may be the difference here.

---

I second the comment about the receivers.  I got my first look at FSU when
they played N.C. State last week and was impressed by the frosh Tamirick (sic)
Vanover.  He seems to be yet another FSU speedburner.  From what I saw against
NCSU and the highlights of the FSU-Wake game, Vanover is quickly establishing
himself as a big-play receiver; he's gonna have a helluva 4 years in Tallahasee,
barring injury and off-field indiscretions.

The FSU motto should be: "Speed Kills."

Sanjeev
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Poll Injustice (was: WEEKLY TOP 25)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 05:46:01 GMT

In article <5OCT199219144170@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.064326.21944@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes...

snip, snip...

>> 
>>>11   18  Stanford      4 1 0  WON at Notre Dame, 33-16     at UCLA,10/10
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>This, on the other hand, demonstrates excellent judgment.. 8-)
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I would say that ND is way overated. They only look good on paper, as always.
>Besides, does not Notre Dame mean No Defense? That implies Walsh can only beat
>No Defense, he can NEVER beat the Aggies, Never!

Well, you beat us THEN, so I guess I can't argue too much. But at that
point, or offense was extremely rusty and in the midst of learning a
completely new system. They've improved steadily, and should keep
doing so throughout the season. Oh what I'd give for a rematch. I
think the outcome would be QUITE different this time around... 


========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gbq1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Gene B. Quinn)
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 10/5/92
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:24:37 GMT

Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD> writes:


>top 36.  Only 5 of 10 SEC teams are in the top 40.  Only 4 Big Ten teams

If you'll recheck, you'll see that 7 of 12 SEC teams are in the top 40

>  2. Tennessee                    299.91   5  0  0  1.000    9   8   0  0.529
> 10. Alabama                      268.31   5  0  0  1.000    8  11   0  0.421
> 21. Georgia                      245.03   4  1  0  0.800    9  10   0  0.474
> 23. Mississippi State            241.35   3  1  0  0.750    4   8   0  0.333
> 31. Auburn                       229.96   4  1  0  0.800    8   7   0  0.533
> 38. Mississippi                  218.98   3  2  0  0.600   13   5   0  0.722
> 39. Florida                      217.88   1  2  0  0.333    9   2   0  0.818

> 49. Kentucky                     199.11   3  2  0  0.600    7  10   0  0.412
> 52. Vanderbilt                   195.11   2  2  0  0.500   11   4   0  0.733
> 68. Louisiana State              169.93   1  4  0  0.200   14   5   0  0.737
> 99. Arkansas                     124.05   1  4  0  0.200    8   8   0  0.500
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* University of Chicago                                                  *
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Goob/Cliff  Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:30:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.203053.23272
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>chrisk@nucleus.amd.com (Chris Kosh) writes:
>>Would someone in this newsgroup please pass the word to the
>>peons in oklahoma that its time once again.  Let them know to
>>go ahead and begin talking because they simply cannot beat a 
>>team from a superior state, regardless of talent, tradition,
>>ranking, or record.
>>
>>See ya in Dallas, if you can find your way and the telegraphs
>>get the message that far.
>>
>>		For the fourth year in a row, 
>>
>Dear UGooberHeads(or is it Heads of UGoober?):

"Your Highness" will do just fine.

>Sending a freshly graduated goober after me was nice and all, but
>I think I deserve something a bit better than this bait.  

We try and keep our subjects happy, but it sometimes not everything works
out the way it is supposed to.  Goob--off with his head!

>It is good to see that your school has made its way to UTexas fans.
>Not a bad start, but this student needs a few more lessons.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: r.s.f.c 4th newsgroup poll
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:01:28 GMT

In <92269.215719C31801AG@wuvmd.wustl.edu>,

begin.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Rec.Sport.Football.College newsgroup poll                                   |
| Compiled 09-25-1992                                  Rank Frequencies       |
|--------------------------+----------+-------+-------------------------------|
|                          |          | Point |           1 11111 11112 22222 |
| Rank College             |  W  L  T | Total | 12345 67890 12345 67890 12345 |
|--------------------------+----------+-------+-------------------------------|
...
|   9. Notre Dame          |  2  0  1 |   434 | .1.12 1376. 2..1. ..1.. ..... |
                                                                   ^^^

|  10. Ohio State          |  3  0  0 |   361 | 11... .2113 214.2 223.1 21... |
end.

Someone thinks Notre Dame is the 18th best team in the nation?
I would seriously love to see that top 25 list.  Who are the 17 teams
that Notre Dame wouldn't beat?

Congratulations to Ohio State for being the team in which rsfc'ers have
the most *and* the least confidence.  Check out that spread: #1 to #22.

-Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: NU-Purdue result/Big Ten
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:42:15 CDT

In article <1992Oct5.041844.21075@news.acns.nwu.edu> fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>
>Not likely.  Considering that there are only about 8000 undergraduates at
>Northwestern (less than a third of ninth-place Iowa), and only about 1000 of
>them care about football, and only about 250 of those people care about Wildcat
>football, and only about 50 of them even have electronic mail accounts, and
>probably only about 3 or 4 of THEM even subscribe to this newsgroup, and
>only one of them (me) is obnoxious enough to woof over a 1-3 record
>(although the three losses all came to Top 25 teams), I doubt we'll see
>much.  Besides, we don't want to "jinx" the team!  :)

Yeah, but Northwestern does have the potential to play decent football, and
has the tools to do it.  A lot of the other teams have the potential to
play bad football, too.

>Seriously, though, I can't be the only one scared about what happened
>Saturday: four upsets!  (Five, if you believe some people in Iowa City... :)
>Was it just "Big Fluke" day?  Is the Big 10 really that fallible?  Will we
>ever again have a second-place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Will we
>ever again have a FIRST place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Yes, I
>know, some Ann Arbor-ites would beg to differ, but the season's still
>young, and tying Notre Dame looks less and less like a spectacular feat...
>
>What's going on?

I disagree.  Notre Dame played much better against Michigan than they did
against Stanford.  They simply looked pathetic.  Get Rick Mirer a real QB
coach, for sake!  Anyway, Michigan will roll over everybody in the Big 10,
unless TOSU pulls together and plays another super game against the
Wolverines.  Michigan State might be able to fight them, despite their
recent success, because it is a rivalry.  I do think the Big 10 winner will
be 8-0, but 5-3 might be the 2nd place record.  Look for Illinois not to
get their usual bowl bid, unless they wake up.  IU is not playing
bowl-caliber football, either.  Iowa may end up with too many losses.  I
think TOSU and Michigan are your only bowl locks, and if Wisconsin can
handle all the lesser teams (which I doubt), they could put together a
5-win conference record, which will get them in a bowl game.  I would like
to say the Big 10 is reaching parity, but it is doing so at a level which
is around that of the MAC (no insult, MAC fans).
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu