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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: DOWN 18 (Contact lens stuff)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>Any surfers out there (anywhere) who have eyesight trouble?
>I like to hear from anybody who uses contacts in the water.
>How do they go? Any problems???

I have been surfing with contacts for a few years and have only lost
one.  Some guy asked me if I had seen one float by, as he just lost
one. I told him I've never lost one......within an hour, I lost one.
If the waves are big, and I know I'll be getting worked often, I don't
wear them.

By the way what is Down 18 from the subject line?

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   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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			     \\
From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: DOWN 18
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:30:24 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <18451.2a9be7a8@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>
>
>
>Any surfers out there (anywhere) who have eyesight trouble?
>Eg. short-sighted, etc?
>
>I do, and a professional eye specialist recommended contact lenses.
>I like to hear from anybody who uses contacts in the water. 
>How do they go? Any problems???

For me, they went right off :-)  I lost a contact in the water about a year
ago and never bothered to replace it.  It didn't take much to lose it
either (they were gas permeable though).  I'm near-sighted too but not
so bad as to give me trouble (you don't have to be able to count the ripples
to decide it's a good wave).  A buddy of mine has disposable contacts and
they seem to work pretty well for him, he's never lost any in
the water but even if he did it's obviously no big deal (at least to me :-)).
>
>Kevyn Lee
>Uni of S.Oz.
>Aust.

- leo

P.S. Thanks for the tip Todd, I'll try it next time out.
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Not to profane, but where else can I go?
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:32:37 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

cd517@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas J. Narby) writes:


>I'm  a waveski enthusiast in South Florida.  When we have waves,
>which ain't often, I'm usually the only on out there sitting
>down.  Anyone see any paddlers on their local break? Where?

I hate to say this but as a whole alot of surfer's in 
Australia tend to really hate wave-ski riders.
It's nothing personal against you ,but that's the way I see
it....
Anyone like to dis-agree feel free.


>BTW, if you think that a waveski has a motor, save your flames
>'til you know better-it's like a kayak, only designed for
>surfing. Upside down, mine looks just like a fat shortboard.

I could protest the "surfing" bit... As sometimes it looks
more like they're designed for drowning.
Some of the dudes I've seen look like their heads fill up with water
through their noses they're under water for soooooo long.
Upside down in the wash.

One thing I really do hate myself is an out of control tourist on a 
long surf-ski....(not the Modern Darts),but the chunky ones.
They're lethal devices then.... :-(
I've had to duck dive a surf ski as that was the only way to avoid it going 
right through me..... (I gave the barsted the filfthest look and
dropped in from then on.....

Bye,
Nigel.


>.sig? what .sig?
-- 
Women need to find the right partner to have sex (and sometimes the right
excuse),Men just need to find the right place.
From: ce425@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Danny Z. Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Alt.surfing Stats
Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:03:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hey everybody, since it is so flat here (California) I thought
I'd bore you all with some statistics I got off the news.lists
newsgroup about alt.surfing.  Try to stay with me on this,
it gets a little technical.

Last month (Aug.) there were 32,000 USENET sites that 
received alt.surfing out of a possible 56,000.  (57%)

There were 255 posts to alt.surfing.

DecWorld in San Francisco Ca monitored 1090 sites
for Aug. and found that 328 people in the sampled
sites looked at alt.surfing al least once during the
month. Extrapolating this out,  if 328 people read
Alt.surfing at 1090 sites, and there are 32,000 sites,
then the estimated total number of people who read
Alt.surfing in Aug. was about 9600.  

(wake up Nigel, the hard stuff is over)

There is 2020 newsgroups.  Alt.surfing ranked # 979
on the list  for active readership.  

Percent Crossposting was Zero! (keep the rec.Windsurfers
in their own group)

And of all people who read USENET, 0.6% read Alt.surfing
(10.3% read alt.sex)

That's all the facts for today.  

Its been 1-2 feet here in the Ventura area, but we are only
weeks away from the Santa Ana Wind season (Off shore
winds), and we could get a North/West swell any day.

DannyZ
-- 
e-mail  Primary:   danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
        Secondary: Danny.Clark@bbs.oit.unc.edu
                   ce425@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: klong@sura.net ("K.A. Long")
Subject: South American surfing
Followup-To: klong@sura.net
Summary:  Caracas, specifically
Keywords:  recommendations
Organization:  SURAnet 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:19:07 GMT

I don't usually read this group but I know someone who is
heading to South America in two weeks and they asked me if
I could find out if anyone knew of good surfing down there.
I don't usually read this group, so if you could please
reply to me directly, I can post a summary of any responses
I receive.

Thanks.

klong



Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: 10692568@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CARLOS LOPEZ)
Subject: Re: South American surfing
Summary: Caracas, specifically
Keywords: recommendations
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:34:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.221907.14727@sura.net> klong@sura.net ("K.A. Long") writes:
>From: klong@sura.net ("K.A. Long")
>Subject: South American surfing
>Summary:  Caracas, specifically
>Keywords:  recommendations
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:19:07 GMT
>I don't usually read this group but I know someone who is
>heading to South America in two weeks and they asked me if
>I could find out if anyone knew of good surfing down there.
>I don't usually read this group, so if you could please
>reply to me directly, I can post a summary of any responses
>I receive.
>
>Thanks.
>
>klong
>
>
>
From what I've heard there is good surfing if you don't mind dodging a 
couple of Hellfires,two exocets and a couple of rounds of bullets spewing 
outa some machine gun.

yeah yeah yeah.. so write to me and tell me how stereotypical I've become in 
this letter.......By the way I'm not Knocking any South american 
countries ...I just thought it was funny....pero bueno si no te gusta ponle 
azucar y leche......

carlos ;-)
From: roger@creek.eel.ufl.edu (Roger Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Hrcane Andrew
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:00:27 GMT
Organization: UF EE Department

Keywords: 


Aloha,

     Not that I want to complain that this hurricane was a let down, but the
waves we got in Daytona weren't comparable to any hurricane swell i've surfed
in the last 13 years.  The biggest day was Monday (D-day for Homestead) with
a few seven foot faces.  The wind never went offshore.  It was "Victory at sea"
conditions.  However it was the only waves for about three months.  It's been
one of the worst summers for a long while.  I surfed until it died, then went 
back to school on tuesday afternoon.  The Bahama bank must've blocked most of
the swell for central to northern florida, but I'm sure the reef road area got
something a little better.

                               never quit,  roger
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Joining the Crew (finally)
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:48:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

Leo Dagum writes:

    Agent 99 writes: 
    >>I went surfing for the first time last week, and I was wondering if all 
    >>you 'surf' gurus have any "beginners" pointers for me or stories you
    >>can remember when you first started surfing.

>I made (am making?) the transition from boogie-boarding to surfing 
>just a few months ago (i.e. I'm no surf guru) but I
>certainly can relate some of the things I've learned which for
>most experienced surfers is probably instinctive and not really
>a lesson.
>Here's a list, in no particular order:

and Leo makes (1)-(5) good points IMMHO.

If I may be so bold as to suggest a further pointer:

(6) Chill out.

Jim
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report-SIO to Cardiff
Keywords: FLAT, FLAt,
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:16:29 GMT

Surf-Flat
Weather-Flat
Wind-Flat
Clouds-Flat

everything is flat
It's hard to tell where the ocean ends
and the sky begins.

Argggggg, where's the surf.
tod
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   |
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant/rave...
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:20:23 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia

In article <1992Aug26.010944.29809@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn) writes:

Lines deleted .......

>>Honorable mention (for those movies you just HAVE TO include):

> North Shore - "What?!" you say, "that's a turkey!".  Yes, but there is
> ONE redeeming feature of that movie, and I don't mean the bimbo.  The
> notion of progressing through the history of surf as a method of
> learning surfing is an interesting idea.  Not new, not even
> necessarily good, but interesting.  There's something to be said for
> every frogsquat shortboard surfrat taking some time to ride a
> longboard ("mal"), or even an egg ("mini-mal"?) and learning some of
> the *elegance* of surfing.  I sure bemoan the total transition from
> any sense of style to the thrash-or-burn mentality.  And while it's
> easy to second-guess me now and blame it on my advancing years and
> decreasing flexibility, I felt the same way in '76 when I was surfing
> for UCSD.  That's when I felt it changed.  
>
>-- Clark
>

Agree with you whole heartedly there Clark, especially on the point of
style, It seem's to me, that with the current generation of surfer's
and surfing equipment, that the "better" a surfer get's, the more
he/she looks like a clone of the "better" surfer's, generally
speaking.

The only "style" you generally see on "short boards" (I'm not flaming
short boards either, that's what I ride) these day's is related to
the surfer's  skill level, ie you have a style ranging from beginner
to expert. 

A little more appreciation of the root's of surfing and it's equipment
would certainly not go astray, perhaps a "history of surfing" should
be compulsory for all aspiring surfers :-), but, Clark, I fear it's
only the "more mature, :-)"  amongst us that subscribe to that
line of thinking :-), hey , perhaps we could start an alt.surfing.good
old days group :-).

Cheer's, keep surfing,
Lud.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: Contact lenses in the surf?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:04:27 GMT

In article <18453.2a9bf2a8@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>
>I'd like to know if any surfers out there wear contact lenses while
>surfing. An eye specialist advised me that they would be okay, but
>I'd like to know whether they can handle it.
>
>So if there are surfers who have similar problems, please reply. On yeah,
>I'm using contacts for short-sightedness for 'out-of-surf' use.

Yep, been wearing them playing waterpolo for about 12 years,
and surfing for a couple. Get the bigger soft lens. Acuvue makes
a flimsy version. There is another company that makes a heavier
version which is actually better in the water. Can't remember the
name though. I get the ones that are about $5 USdollars a piece, buy
em in "6-packs". Then I don't feel so bad if I loose one, which I don't
too often. You throw them out after wearig them 2 or 3 weeks.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Alt.surfvey #1
From: P.B.Halverson@massey.ac.nz (P.B. Halverson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:00:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

"Surf Nazis Must Die"

Absolutely *NO* surfing footage at all.  A sick movie if you happen to 
be a wanker.  For sickness see the Toxic Avenger from the same producer.

Cheers,

Phil
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Duck Dives and Long Boards
Keywords: Stand Up
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:59:25 GMT

Stacie in LA started a thread that lead to 
Leo talking about duck diving his long board.
I just thought that I would include my two cents on
both these themes.

Stacie:  No matter what don't give up.
Stay with it even if you get frustrated.
Surfing(the stand up kind) can be an incredible rush.
Somebody else recently mentioned remembering their first wave,
their first tube, ect...  Good luck.

Leo: Here's an additional hint for getting that monster
through the waves.  As you are paddling out, wait for
the last moment before the white water hits you, or the
lip is about to crash on you, then jump to your feet.
Two things can happen now.  With both feet together
and you towards the back, shoot the board forward into the
wave. Or with your feet apart and you towards the front, dive
under the wave.  The technique that you use will depend on the
wave, conditions, yourself ect..., but as you
said about slipping off the board, this ain't pretty B-)
and should be reserved for times when there
is plenty of room.
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   |
From: woody@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Bill Woodcock)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Style
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:15:12 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu



          crp5754@erfsys06.ca.boeing.com (chris payne) writes:
        > North Shore was made by John Milius, a surfer and
        > friend of Gerry Lopez.  He also made Big Wednesday
        > (which has received quite a few votes in the surfvey)
        > as well as Conan (which has not).  Gerry Lopez
        > appeared in all of these movies, what a life, yeah?
    
    Milius also wrote the screenplay for _Apocalypse Now_.  Remember the
    Air Cav?  "Surf or fight, boy!"
      
                             -Bill

________________________________________________________________________________
bill woodcock  woody@zocalo.com  woody@applelink.apple.com  woody@ucscb.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: mlrobert@athena.mit.edu (Mindy L Roberts)
Subject: Costa Rica
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:04:19 GMT

I'm heading to Costa Rica September 2 through 16 and would like some info on the
surfing conditions there.  I learned to surf a few years ago, but only get to go
out in the summer, thanks to school.  I will be teaching a friend, too.  Any
suggestions for good breaks to try?  I'm looking for something that doesn't get
too big, hopefully with a long surf zone to get my friend going in the broken
waves at first.  Also, we will be at the mercy of the bus lines, since we don't
have the money to rent a 4WD.

I hear there are boards for sale at many of the breaks by surfers leaving the
area.  Any idea what the going price is for one of these?  

One more thing-- we are two women traveling alone.  Any of you hear of places to
look out for?

This is a big order to fill, but I would greatly appreciate any information or
suggestions anyone out there may have.  Please send mail because I don't know how
much longer I can access the net.

By the way, I have been reading the group for the past two years while
writing my master's thesis.  Thanks for the great posts!  It was great to
vicariously go for a surf through the cold Massachusetts winters.

Mindy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Alt.surfvey #1
Organization: Quantum Reef Project
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:05:29 GMT

crp5754@erfsys01.ca.boeing.com (chris payne) wrote:
>Greetings gang,
>
>	All the talk about what a piece of trash "Point Break"
>was got me wondering. What's the best surf movie made.
>
>	So here's my first alt.surfvey. Email replies to
>crp5754@erfsys01.boeing.com by 31 Aug and I'll post the results
>next week sometime.  Use whatever criteria you wish, best plot,
>worst wipeouts, most topless babes, biggest waves, whatever.
>

What about most artistic, most creative, most inspiring, most like
real life ???

Personally, I think that most surf flicks are exploitive and rarely
cover surfers other than those on the campaign trail and/or those who
are known through the media. The closest thing I have ever seen to a
real life surf movie was a movie that was released in the late sixties
"The Natural Art". It had some surfing by totally unknown to the world
guys, and wasn't biased with a particular style of surfing, unlike other
movies that seem to be almost like sybervision, with the same guys
executing the same moves wave after wave all trying to imitate Curren.

I will still send in my 3 favorites Chris !!!


Sorry if I sound negative. I keep hoping that a good one will come out
that inspires me the way Endless Summer did. Maybe Bruce will do the job.

....Bud

p.s. How about including worst three ??

	1) Gidget goes Hawaiian
	2) Dan Quayle goes to Washington
	3) Eric Clapton goes to Japan with George Harrison

---
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com
 Practical people would be more practical if they would take a little
 more time for dreaming.
 		-- J. P. McEvoy
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Woke up to...........
Date: 3 Sep 1992 15:01:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu




Went to the kitchen this morning to eat my Wheaties and what were my eyes
greeted by, a beautiful glassy head high peeling right with only one
guy out, another looking on from the beach.  
 
Unfortunately the wave was black & white, frozen in the suspended time zone
of my daily newspaper.  The Washington Post had a full page age of the 'end
of the summer' sale at Bloomingdale's, a classy department store.  Sex sells,
and I guess surf sells too.  But does that make it right???  I guess that's
a part of surfing I could do with a little less of.  It's one thing for a 
surf shop to advertise, but another for a high class department store to use
surfing as a 'cool and hip' lure for the unwary posers in society........

				L8tr,
					Derek
From: mheron@samson.hac.com (Mark Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Im in deep !@#&*%
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:46:52 GMT
Organization: Hughes Training Incorporated, WCO (West Covina)

OK surfers, I have a problem and I need some feedback!!

The company I work for is located in West Covina, California. I am currently
40 minutes from Huntington Beach.  I have enjoyed surfing from Ensenada to Jalama
and don't want to leave!  I have just been invited to relocate with my company to
(I cringe at this point) Arlington, Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth area).

I have heard that it is approximately 5 hours to the Gulf.  If it is 5 hours, I would
be killing myself on the drive alone, and thats if Mother Nature is kind. I have also
heard that the only time surf's up is a result of Hurricanes and swells generated from Oil Tankers.

I am faced with a serious matter that will effect not only my career but my state of
mind.  I am starting to send resumes out now, but I will be asked for a response within 2 to 3 weeks as I see it.  I am considering the East Coast, but I still have to find work. Does Cape Hatteras go off??  There is the possibility of saying to hell with everything and head to Hawaii and take my chances as a Howley (Spelling?).

I need to know whats up in Texas!!  I need to hear your ideas.

Mark (I don't want leave So Cal) Heron        >;')
From: Michael Stein <mstein@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Date: 01 Sep 92 16:07 PDT
Subject: Surfing in Vietnam
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1314900001:000:1196
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mstein    Sep  1 16:07:00 1992


From: Michael Stein <mstein>
Subject: Surfing in Vietnam

From: Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>

08/31

BRF--Vietnam-Surfing

Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

   BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Vietnam is catching the surfing wave, with help
from American surfers.
   A delegation of U.S. surfing and beach management experts visiting Vietnam
this month promised to help it finance and organize an international surfing
competition in December, the official Vietnam News Agency reported Monday.
   The team also promised to help the Vietnamese Ministry of Information,
Culture and Sports develop better beach management and water sports, according
to the report monitored in Bangkok.
   The American delegation is led by Bruce S. Hopping, chairman of the
International Surfing Association.
   It visited Ha Long Bay in northern Vietnam, the central coastal towns of
Danang, Qui Nhon and Nha Trang, and the beach resort of Vung Tau at the
country's southern tip.
   Surfers from the United States, Indonesia, Japan and other countries have
registered for the December competition, the news agency reported.




Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: brianj@bedrock.cs.umd.edu (Brian Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Contact lenses in the surf?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:34:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Univ. of MD, College Park, MD 20742
In-reply-to: 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au's message of 26 Aug 92 11:37:51 GMT

I were disposables for Kayaking and fresh water use.  I've never lost
one, even swimming around under water in whitewater looking for my
lost wedding ring:-(

They are about $3 per lense.  They will move on your eyes and you'll
have to blink to recenter them, but they're better than glasses!

Brian
--
Brian Johnson                                       Computer Science Department
brianj@cs.umd.edu                                        University of Maryland
(301) 405-2725                                           College Park, Md 20742

  ...there are no strangers in this world, only friends who have never met...
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: surf gets bigger in Cornwall
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:09:18 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


Sorry, but this ain't a surf report, but a bit of trivia
as reported in the London Times today.  According to the story,
buoy measurements off Cornwall show that the average swell size
has increased from 1.8 meters to 2.5 meters over the last 30 years.
The report said that the reason for this is that there is a greater
difference between the Azores high and the Icelandic lows resulting
in winds that blow consistently for a longer distance than they
used to.

Chris

A SoCal surf punk in the land of page 3 girls.