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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:34:07 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Jul24.221704.22788@ncsu.edu>, shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
> 
> |>
> |>In article <l6r4p1INNo8p@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> |>>In article <76348@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> 
> |>>Oh, I forgot to remind you that Taiwan needs no secession.   Taiwan IS
> |>>a de facto independent country already.
> |>
> |>Taiwan needs no secession from CCP, but TIers have to be separated from

> China NEVER OWNED Taiwan either, but just made meaningless claims.
> Hey, I could claim the moon belongs to me because it's close to Earth and 
> I can see it from my house, but does that make it mine.
> 


Don't try to act ignorantly to let me laugh a bit.
What's your definition of China? You could call yourself lunatic if you
claimed to own the moon. 

> |>
> |>You TIers are trying to steal property from home land that ROC owns.
>                           ???????????????????????????????????????????
> 
> You're got to be kidding me, right?  No one can possibly be such a simpleton.
> 
> |>You TIers are trying to rename yourselves non-Chinese. You TIers are
> |>trying to change race, language, writing, history, and government.
> 
> What's wrong with that?  Who wants to be a stinking Chinese all their lives.
> I'm proud to proclaim myself as a TAIWANESE!!!! LONG LIVE TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE!!!

Now, please wipe out the "stinking Chinese" word from your name.
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food (was Re: fc, sushi, egg/spring rolls)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:37:58 GMT

In article <5796@ucru2.ucr.edu>, lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

> I've worked in a number of Chinese restaurants (including
> one in Tucson, Brandon. How're things at the U?), and the

For all of you that have never experienced the Arizonan heat,
we consider 100F very cool, and yesterday it was 107F...
A city called Death Valley in Arizona went up to 121F, very
appropriate name don't you think?  (sorry I am off subject)

> kind of "chow mein" you get seems to depend on the cuisine
> that the restaurant serves.  The trend of the recent years,

I guess you're right, there is chicken chow mein, which seems
to be stir-fried bean sprouts with chicken, and then if you 
want stir-fried noodles, it is usually called CM Cantonese...

> however, seems that the term "chow mein" is now used to
> mean those things with the dry noodles, and "lo mein" is

And to think people put those in their soups, YIAKS!

> used to describe the stir-freid noodles that is most commonly
> know among Chinese as "chow mein".

Why can't they just use it as what it MEANS?  HUH?

> As for "chop suey", it's usually a dish with a lot of different
> things in it.  Usually a kind of meat and a bunch of different
> vegetables (as in "Chicken Chop Suey").  I've always thought

The restauarant I worked in refer to it as Chicken chow mein with
rice intead of dried noodles... weird...

> Chinese dish names.  This is probably due to the fact that Chinese
> food was first made popular in San Franciso, where Cantonese
> dominated the Chinese population early in this century.  But since

What about that Cantonese dish called "Gan1 Chow Mein" (no, not GAN4 mein :-)
It is a dish in which you deep fry the noodle and put stir fried veggies/meats
on top?  In Taiwan it's called "Gwang2 Jo1 Chow2 Mein4", but someone
from Hong Kong told me it is actually called Gan Chow Mein.

> I don't speak Cantonese, I don't know for sure.

I don't either, except one... 
Actually, those Cantonese chefs taught me quite a few...  :-)


Brandon
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University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: c60a-aa@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Ka-Chung Wong)
Subject: Re: Fortune cookies, sushis, eggrolls etc.
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:21:30 GMT

According to my personal research, fortune cookies was invented in San
Francisco.  It was, I think, just a business tactic to give American
an " Oriental touch".
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Chinese Taipei in the Opening Ceremony (Re: NBC......Gan!)
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:03:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bs0FM6.1IA
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Chieh-Sheng Lee;;blue) writes:
>... what did I see next? "Tchekoslovakia" (Czechoslovakia)...
>
>Jason Lee

I watched the ceremony on Canadian TV. Here is what happened (out of my
memory):

On the background, you could hear a voice (with Spanish accent):
"Chinese Taipei".  The Canadian commentator (excitedly): "Here comes
the Chinese Taipei." 

On the scrren, the camera was first on the flag-bearing man who held
the flag high with one hand only, then shifted to show a grand view of
the complete team.  

The size of the team is relative small, but almost everyone is smiling
and waving.  There are several close-ups on some smiling faces in the
team. I couldn't recognize any one of them.  And then there was another
bird-view of the team from another angle (looks like from a blimp).

The reception from the audience was polite and moderate. 

The commentators at the same time explained that "Chinese Taipei" is
"Taiwan" and why they'll have to ues this peculiar name.  One mentioned
their baseball team ("will play on Sunday vs Italy").

And then it is all over. 

The whole episode lasts no more than 15 seconds. But it worths
the waiting.

BTW, for those who subscribe to the triple-cast, people here at Buffalo
can watch pretty much the same stuff on Canadian TV live and FREE.
Enjoy the show. :-)

-Chunshi
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News again
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:25:34 GMT
Organization: UB

From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
 
> Hi, guys, go to argue political issues in YOUR NEWSGROUP.  Thanks.
 
    Agree!
 
>
> Anyone wants some news from TW?
>
> (1). A fire and explosion was happened in a water power station in TW.  A
> person was killed, but.... he's a Japanese, well.... forget it.
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^
                                                         why?
 
> (2). The Golden Bell was awarded.  Is anyone wanna know who won?
>
> (3). "Basic Instinct" is showing in TW now.  In PG-13.  God, they must cut a
> lot of "exciting shots"!  Thanks God we can see the whole thing here which
> costs only $1.  At least, according to my friend's words, you still can see
> Michael Douglas' lovely ass on the screen.  But that's all.  Besides, you can
> hear 3-word shouting around you when you got out of the cimena.
 
I like these news from Taiwan. Around Buffalo, I can not receive any TV
news from Taiwan. Last week I went to California and I saw Taiwan's news on
TV. It is so nice.
 
So could some California residents post some Taiwan news? They all are big news
for us.  Thanks.
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hy7919@thor.albany.edu (HONG-HSEE YUAN)
Subject: My Favorite Zen Story
Keywords: universities
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:05:27 GMT

	A student asked his Zen master" After all these years, why can't
I still experience the reality?". 
	Master answered " Because that you still have an 'I'".
	Poor student asked again " How about I get rid of that one last thing--
the 'I'?".
	The mastersaid " then, exactly 'WHO' wants to experience the reality?".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ugiunn@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Iunn Un-Gian(02-7883799ext2111)(kiankok!))
Subject: Re: We support Taiwan Independence
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:17:54 GMT

joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> Canton Independence or Fujian Independence or every province for
> itself independence?  What is to prevent China from returning to the
> "warlord" era of the 1920's, a mess of small feuding regions, spending 
> all of their time trying to destroy each other, making any sort of
> development impossible.
> 
> The CCP realizes that at some point, it has to draw the line and say
> this is the limit of what can be allowed. 

I think your logic is not correct. Once Taiwan declares independence,
doesn't means that Canton or Fujian will also declare independence.
The controller are different.

I think, the main problem is you take Taiwan and China as the same 
thing, you think people in Taiwan and China have the same idea, same
way of life. But in fact, they are many many differences .

.________________________________________________________________________.
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|            886-035-715131 ext. 4888                                    |
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+________________________________________________________________________+

  Kiankok e khapoo chiamchiam pekchin, lan tiohai u sinsim,
  hiseng ma kamgoan bo oanhun, goan si*cho TaiOan hun!

  Kiankok e lootoo khamkhiat ma ai kia*, sianliat e hiseng puttoan,
  iongkam e TaiOanLang, iongkam e TaiOanLang, TOKLIP beh choe chulang!!

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11107 soc.culture.hongkong:9125 soc.culture.china:20709
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:49:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan

chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:

>The decay of a society is the beginning of a country's falling.
>It is the time for American to come back to Jesus. This is
>the only way for America avoid the fall.

I couldn't agree with you more !
From: yeb@egr.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan's Olympic Medal?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: yeb@egr.msu.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: yeb@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <5735@ucru2.ucr.edu> chi@watnxt07.ucr.edu (Lung-chi Chuang) writes:
>
>Questions:
>
>	Is Taiwan going to take any medal this year?
>
>	Back in 1984, Taiwan won a Gold Medal in weightlifting.  
				   ^^^^^^^^^^
				   BRONZE Medal
>How about this?  Is that guy still around?
>
>
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From: onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw (H.Samual Wang (035)715131-4398)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What do Taiwanese People do for Fun???
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:48:26 GMT
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)

tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
> Hi, I am intrigued on what do Taiwanese people do for fun these days.  I was
> born in Taipei, but I have not been back to Taiwan in about 16 years and I wish
> to know more about how Taiwanese people relax as compared to American people.
> 
> Please post responses or email me....:)
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
> -- 
> Ted Jan                                       EMT-A
> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                      Basic Life Support Certified
> University of Illinois                        First Aid Instructor
> Illini Emergency Medical Services             Community CPR Instructor
Aside from the traditional sports and entertainments, Taiwanese people nowadays
enjoy Kara OK, KTV.  Many recreation grounds have been built, as have several
museums and concert halls.  Golf courses are becoming fashionable, although
there are controvercies on whether we can afford that many courses.
S.W.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: be honest and you might get some respect
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:28:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <l6r4p1INNo8p@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>In article <76348@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>- As I said before.  If an individual province secedes, then that
>- province individually will always be better off.  The problem is that
>- if all the provinces secede, then they all will be worse off.
>
>So, those countries which seceded from the Great Big Britain, such as
>the U.S, Canada, New Zealand and Austrlia, ..etc, are ALL worse off ??!!
>
So, why don't you provoke African American to found an African America from
the United States ? With that this world has South Africa, African America,
black people will be better off! :-)

>Oh, I forgot to remind you that Taiwan needs no secession.   Taiwan IS
>a de facto independent country already.

Taiwan needs no secession from CCP, but TIers have to be separated from
Chinese people to be indepedent in your "Green Island". The US, Canada,
NZ, Austrilia, South Africa were not seceded from Britain. British did
not own those pieces of land, they invaded and occupied a while only.
Those countries were founded outside British home land.

You TIers are trying to steal property from home land that ROC owns.
You TIers are trying to rename yourselves non-Chinese. You TIers are
trying to change race, language, writing, history, and government.

A lousy guy will always fight with brothers in the family. A hero
should go out and make living outside to win respect. So, you
will be warm welcome back home with glory. Or else, you are just a
house mouse, picking, digging, complaining, biting,......day by day.

Mr. BCYang/BCYUNN/BCIUNN, it is time for you to go back Green Island.
Your good time here is running out. Your country needs you there!
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Bad News (was Re: Taiwan Olympics Results)
Date: 27 Jul 1992 20:11:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Keywords: Baseball

Just heard we lost to USA 10-9.  Can anybody confirm??

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food (was Re: fc, sushi, egg/spring rolls)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:05:37 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <29JUL199208545868@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> leungk@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (The Wandering Hermit) writes:

>>   <stuff deleted>
>>
>>Come to think of it, American-Chinese cuisine is literally
>>a distinct "Chinese" cuisine in itself.  Are there such
>>dishes as Sweet and Sour or Egg Foo Young in China, Taiwan,
>>or Hong Kong?

There is S/S, although it tastes totally different.
I don't know about EFY, never seen it or had it.
By the way, here is another "how did the name become this way" question:
In Chinese, "chow mein" literally means stir-fried noodles, so I don't
understand how it became to stand for bean sprouts or those dried noodle
things?  While I am chowing, what's "chop suey"?  Is that an "invention"
or a poorly translated word?

>in Hong Kong. Of course, the Egg Foo Young in the States is a totally
>different creature compare to the one in HK. :)

What the hell is Egg Foo Young?  I understand that in Cantonese it is
called "Yong Dang"?  But what is it?????  And where did this EGG FOO
YOUNG name come from?  

--
Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK"
From: ccwang@laplace.ee.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: sex education in Taiwan
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:39:21 GMT

I was talking to a friend the other day and the topic of sex education came up.
I can't seem to remember attending classes in sex education while I was back
there.  There was one lecture on human reproductive system, but it was minimal.

The question is: how do people learn about sex?  I know that's usually not
a topic a Taiwanese kid would discuss with his/her parents.  I know guys
would watch adult video tapes or read adult books (not the best way to learn,
of course).  How do women learn about sex?  Do they watch the same tapes or
read the same books as the guys?  Or, do

Got any ideas??  Or is this a taboo on sct??

cw

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,rec.radio.shortwave
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan news worldwide via shortwave radio
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:47:02 GMT

I apologize that I may have caused some confusion.  I though I was
only talking to my fellowing Taiwanese so I changed subject in the
middle of my article without giving any warning.  "Little ear" is
well known to Taiwanese but I don't think others know what it is.

Eric

In article <1992Jul23.000501.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu> schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22We135313a.Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM>, Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM writes:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:32 GMT, hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) said:
>> eric.wu> Someone is (mail order ads on WJ) selling a special radio for 
>> eric.wu> $99 that can receive Chinese program (Chiao Sheng).  I guess the 
>> eric.wu> program is broadcasted at a different frequency other than AM/FM 
>> eric.wu> so we need a special radio.  Has anybody try this?  How is the 
>> eric.wu> reception or the program?

I believe what I described above is the SCA John talks about.  Thanks 
for the information.

>> eric.wu> What interests me the most is the little ear.  You can get one
>> eric.wu> for $288 plus shipping but I was told that you need to spend
>> eric.wu> more to get a higher end model.  But it will still be a good 
>> eric.wu> deal if the program it can receive is good.  Would somebody 
>> eric.wu> who has seen this kind of program tell us more about it?
 
Now I changed my subject to the small antenna (little ear) that can 
pick up one or two TV channels from satellite.  It is popular in Taiwan 
for people to receive Japanese TV program.  I know someone in NJ is 
using it to pick up a Chinese language channel and I intend to do 
the same.

Sorry for the confusion to the rec.radio.shortwave forks but thanks
for the great information.

>   John H Schmidt's article deleted to save bandwidth
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan news worldwide via shortwave radio
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21Tu194337a.Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM> Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM writes:
>>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 18:25:34 GMT, stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) said:
>
>Shuoh-Ren> I like these news from Taiwan. Around Buffalo, I can not
>Shuoh-Ren> receive any TV news from Taiwan. Last week I went to
>Shuoh-Ren> California and I saw Taiwan's news on TV. It is so nice.
>
>If you have a shortwave (Duan3Bo1) radio, you can hear more Taiwan
>news then you can ever handle.  You will hear exactly the same news*
>as you would in Taiwan, broadcast simultaneously around the world.

> ............
> 
>Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM Naperville IL USA +17089796364 Chinese~{;}5$Da~}Ji1Dan1ni2

I tried short wave radio once.  I got a portable one (Sharp or 
Panasonic or something Japanese) for <$200.  I ended up returning 
it the next day.  Its reception is quite poor.  Is it because of 
cheapy radio or is it the norm of short wave?  What does it take
to receive good quality short wave?

Someone is (mail order ads on WJ) selling a special radio for 
$99 that can receive Chinese program (Chiao Sheng).  I guess the 
program is broadcasted at a different frequency other than AM/FM 
so we need a special radio.  Has anybody try this?  How is the 
reception or the program?

What interests me the most is the little ear.  You can get one
for $288 plus shipping but I was told that you need to spend
more to get a higher end model.  But it will still be a good 
deal if the program it can receive is good.  Would somebody 
who has seen this kind of program tell us more about it?

Eric
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