From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Another Cover-Up?
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:02:02 GMT
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In <01GPCRMVZJSYG9L8C5@UMAECS> VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu writes:

> Palmer writes: >>
> >>FALSE! The majority of those who died were civilians who died as a result
> >>of our bombing sewerage treatment plants and water plants. See RED CROSS
> >>reports.
> 
> Anwar writes again: >
> >I'm amazed that you still have the audacity to post after your lies.  Why
> >don't you address the question?  Neither Amnesty International or
> >Red Cross *ever* claimed that the U.S. killed 250,000 innocent people.
> >
> 
> The records I have:
> 
> According to May 92 report of Green Peace, there were more than 200,000 
> deaths (directly or indirectly).  Around 120,000 Iraqi soldiers died in
> the 43 day war. Half of the above was killed in the 100 hour ground war.
> There were civilian deaths in the range of 49,000 to 76,000. Because of
> very Strict censorship by America, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, this shock-
> ing news was covered-up.  

  During the bombing or in the aftermath?  Does this include the casualties
of the Kurdish and Shiite rebellions?  Those who have died because the regime
in Iraq continues to defy the UN, and thus keeps the blockade in place, denying
supplies and repairs to its own people?  The problem with these stats is their
almost certain bias due to the source, Iraqis who have everything to gain by 
reporting these horrors.  How did GreenPeace obtain this data?  Interviews?  Did
they count graves?  Make an "estimate"?

> According to another volunteer organization, 

  Who?  Your statistic is meaningless without a source to back it up.

>the child death in Iraq is
> 1500 per day and there would be 170,000 child deaths in the next 5 year
> period.  Due to this a whole generation has been destroyed.  The modern
> techniques of war create a long term effect.

  Incorrect.  Most such areas could be up and running today if not for Saddam's
intransigence.  And his desire to kill Kurds and Shiites.

>  Destruction  of hospitals  
> and waste treatment facilities etc  were the main cause of the indirect
> effect of war in Iraq.

  I saw no destroyed hospitals even during the Iraqi-led tours of devastated
areas via CNN.  Hospitals are poor targets -- such deliberate actions would
have lead to massive public outrage, and they do little good in destroying
military effectiveness, i.e., casualties are already out of the war, the 
bombs are wasted.

> Though I respect the  RED CROSS and AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, I guess they
> are not beyond the patriotism.

  Which is to say they disagree with you.  Amnesty has never hesitated to be
critical of the US.  Perhaps they have less of an agenda than Greepeace.



semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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