HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Andrew and Fairchild Gardens
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92728201947.MIN-LVQBa26691.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: wisdom of publicly funding rebuilding on a fragile coastal
: zone, especially as we move into the more intense portion
: of the long-term hurricane cycle for Atlantic hurricanes?  
: Are all citizens being asked to accept and cover risks 
: from individual decisions to build on ocean shores?  
: (Hurricanes Hugo, Bob, and Andrew are believed to represent
: a return to a high frequency of powerful, destructive 
: storms hitting the U.S. East Coast, last experienced in 
: the 1950's and early 1960's.)

Not exactly a plant biology issue, but ...

Is this return to high frequency storms associated with global warming ??

And, what did the hurricane do to the fragile ecosystem of the everglades ??

The UK was lashed by the tail end of these storms over the weekend and THAT
was bad enough.  As you know, I am interested in the ability of crops to
resist 'lodging' damage.  The crops in the North East of Scotland have been
flattened in many areas during these storms.

If climatologists predict a future of this sort of weather the less
acute damage (like the crops here in Scotland) may become more
important and it may be worthwhile to take the issue more seriously
elsewhere in the less developed world.

The catastrophic damage suffered in Florida is, I agree, a disaster but
let's not forget the longer term consequences of the less serious
damage to crops that cannot withstand the widespread lower energy
storms associated with the hurricanes.

This is just an economic disaster for the European farmers, but it
could be the start of a human disaster in low lying areas like
Bangaladesh.  These storms could cause famine just as easily as drought
does by ruining crops.

The issue of atmospheric CO2 and global warming is a contentious one,
but it does seem that the consensus of opinion is in favour of a link
between raised levels of atmospheric CO2 caused by the use of fossil
fuels and the warming of the atmosphere.  What is not in doubt is that
plants have a role to play in restoring the balance of the global
ecosystem.

Does that mean that plant biologists have a role to play in restoring the
balance of the global ecosystem ??

I say it does.

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: BS04@UK.AC.DUNDEE.PRIMEB ("A.JOHNSTON" )
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: help needed on needle values.....
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:50:58 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: PLANTBIO@DARESBURY

Hope someone can help me.

I am looking for a 0.016 mm needle value to pass through a three layer
rubber septum. Does anyone know where I can buy some?

looked through a bunch of books but no joy.

thanks for your time.

Andy J.





Andrew M. Johnston,                    E-Mail: A.JOHNSTON@UK.AC.DUNDEE.PRIMEB
Biological Sciences,                   Tel No: 0382-23181 Ext 4282
University of Dundee,
Dundee
Scotland
DD1 4HN
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Bionet Snooze
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92727184121.MIN-LZKBa26691.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: Just because a person doesn't posting does not mean that they aren't there.

True, but they are not *participating* if they only post when an
opportunity to criticise bionet politics arises.  I accept that many
people just skim through bionet.plants and don't want (or consider it
unnecessary) to post.  But, I consider the real value of this medium to
be the opportunity it gives us to *participate* in open discussions.

: To risk Tony's ire about non-relevant things on bionet.plants -

Nah, bionet.plants is an open forum and your peers will let you know
when it's time to move over to bionet.software :-)

: Re: the "reply" command.  f or F is just as easy to use, the "follow up"
: command, as is r or R and its much more interesting to the rest of us. ;-)

Ok ... Follow-up: to bionet.software about how to use news/mail.

	Tony.

ps. whatever happened to your bionet.microscopy proposal ??
--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: ja@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Fairchild Gardens
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:07:29 -0500
Followup-To: bionet.plants

In article <Ellenb-010992091020@mac6.dev.upenn.edu.>, Ellenb@mac.dev.upenn.edu (Ellen Bart) writes:
> Alas, the Fairchild Tropical Garden was decimated by the storm.  According
> to someone down there, the Garden was "leveled."  The buildings, though,
> are still standing.
> 
> I know that other arboreta/gardens are sending help, but I don't know if
> they expect to do anything other than clear out debris.

There is a group of people, mostly botany dept, from UF in Gainesville going
down to Fairchild Sept 5 to help right trees and such.  We'll be in the gardens
and the Kampong for the weekend.

I'll post what we see.  Reports, so far, say that the damage wasn't as bad
everyone first thought. Hope they're right.

bye.... John
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: energy and rapeseed
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92726111442.MIN-LVYAa26691.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: There is a very heated debate raging in Europe at the moment regarding so-
: called Rape methyl-esters and their value for replacing diesel fuel.  Oil

Where can I read about this debate ?

: seed rape is grown extensively and has been overproduced due to subsidy
: under the Common Agricultural Policy - excess crops are now being used for
: fuel.  RMEs are thought to have many ecological advantages but economically
: they remain uncompetitive with fossil fuels.  Several farm equipment 
: manufacturers offer models with engines adapted to run on RMEs and I
: have read that a fleet of delivery vehicles has been commissioned in 
: Germany to run on RMEs. 

How is the oil extracted (cold/hot/solvent) and is this a factor in determining
the economic viability of rape oil as a diesel alternative ??

: Regarding erucic acid,  I understood that it is poisonous to humans which
: must be a good reason for breeding it out of crop lines.   However, there
: are high erucic acid cultivars available and they are advertised as such
: so there must be a commercial use for high erucic acid rapeseed oil.

Are their any cultivars bred specifically for use as a source of diesel
oil alternatives ??

It strikes me that a 'carbon' tax could be implemented by *not* taxing
renewable energy sources such as rape oil for use in road vehicles as
heavily as conventional diesel/petrol fuel is taxed (rather like the
lower cost of lead-free petrol).

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Declaration of Purpose: recruiting by email
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:13:34 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92726035249.MIN-LZVAa26691.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: Fellow BioNet Telecommunicators:
: 
: [...]
: Perhaps there are parallel mailing lists in the equivalent genetics
: newsletters for soybeans, barley, tomato....to think of newsletters 
: that I personally have seen.  Whether one favors bionet.maize,
: bionet.plants.maize or bionet.plants as a forum, do you think you ought
: to become an cyber-activist in your chosen plant-related discipline 
: and encourage colleagues to tune into the bionet discussions groups,
: especially (at least) bionet.plants?

One of the most important things I hoped we could achieve with
bionet.plants is using it as a forum to make each other aware of what
else is going on in the electromic plant biology world.

So far I've got Adolf Ceska to send BEN to bionet plants and bring it
to a wider audience, and I would like to see wider distribution of
other interesting email relating to plant biology.

Jonathan Marder also promised to send things from PHOTOSYN, but I've
not seen anything appear yet.

One of the issues we discussed before creating bionet.plants was the
intention of sub-dividing it as the need arises for 'specialised'
topics.  I want to see a bionet.plants hierarchy like bionet.molbio and
I'm particularly keen to bring together people from different groups in
a cooperative way.

I said on bionet.general that I thought bionet.plants.maize was a good
idea if the traffic warrants it and the same is true of any other topic
in plant biology.  We voted to create bionet.plants when there was no
general plant.biology forum except bionet.agroforestry and a reasonable
consensus at the time was that we should sub-divide the group when the
need arose.

I (also) said, I don't think the name of a group really matters that
much (I proposed bionet.botany originally) but I think a
bionet.plants.* hierarchy (cf. bionet.molbio) has some merit in helping
potential readers find dicussions relating to plant biology.

What I hate most (and I am about to do it!) is cross-posting messages
to different groups and finding that I'm reading/replying to the same
message in different places.  What I find slightly surprising is that
bionet only really wakes up when we start to discuss network politics,
voting procedures and (red face) unsubscription problems %-}

Maybe we should vote on renaming bionet.plants bionet.maize ;-)

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: GELLMORE@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU (BIOHEAD)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Bionet Snooze
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:13:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Tony comments that the bionet group seems to "wake up" when discussing
e-mail policies rather than plant topics. I disagree. I think that members
of bionet POST their responses about e-mail policies to the general list, but
that specific plant-oriented discussions tend to occur between individual
users. 

When I type in the "reply" command, the 'puter automatically provides the
specific address of the sender, NOT the general genbank.bio.net address.
Thus, my most animated discussions have been entre deux, and I suspect
others have shared this experience.

George Ellmore
Biology Dept.
Tufts University
Medford, MA  02155
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: rjsalvad@iastate.edu (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: McClintock Book
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:32:56 GMT

For those of you not on the mailing list of the Cold Spring Harbor
Laboratory Press, Nina Fedoroff's book on McClintock's work has just
become available.  It is an eclectic collection of memoirs and technical
reviews of McClintock's ideas, personality and scientific contributions,
most composed by intimate acquaintances on the occasion of B.M.'s 90th
birthday.  Herewith the essential details:

THE DYNAMIC GENOME:
Barbara McClintock's Ideas in the Century of Genetics

Edited by Nina Fedoroff, Carnegie Institution of Washington, David
Bolstein, Stanford University School of Medicine.

1992, 422 pp., illus. indexes, Cloth $65 (+ $5.50 postage)
ISBN 0-87969-422-X

There are dozens of contributors, all organized within the following
headings:

Cytogenetics
  (Mostly papers of McClintock and her students, plus Rhoades' paper
   on the early years of maize genetics)

Transposition
  (Aside from the technical reviews there are several anectodal
   contributions that accurately reflect the ferment generated by the
   concept of transposons; J.G. Gall contributes a paper on "The Nucleolar
   Organizing Element," another of McClintocks coups.)
  
Retirement
  (Appropriately, this is the pith of the book, ending with McClintock's
   1978 review: "Mechanisms That Rapidly Reorganize the Genome.")

The Nobel Prize and a Molecular Retrospective
  (Featuring her Nobel acceptance address and papers by Blackburn and
   Fedoroff)

ORDERING INFORMATION

Call toll-free: 1-800-843-4388 (continental U.S. and Canada)
or Call 516-349-1930 (all other locations)
FAX: 516-349-1946
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Mixed crops (was Re: Andrew and Fairchild Gardens)
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:56:36 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <9282222239.MIN-LXKCa26691.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
:
: When I lived in Eastern Ontario, a marginal agricultural area, the local
: farmers told me they planted a mixture of oats and barley because if the
: year were dry, the one grain would do better, and if it were wet, the
: other would.  So this method gave them a good stand and reasonable crop
: of cattle feed either way.

Yes, I think that mixtures of crops were planted here by small hill
farmers for the same reason.  The emphasis in trials now, though, is on
the effects of nitrogen fertilisers and other chemicals to regulate the
development of the crop.

One of the most interesting things about Barley is the awn (spike on
the seed) which can develop quite incredible water potentials and helps
to make sure that grain-filling occurs under water stress.  The awn is
also important photosynthetically.  One problem with awns is that they
can make barley straw unpalatable because they contain a lot of silica.

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: rjsalvad@IASTATE.EDU (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: Barbara McClintock Dies 
Reply-To: rjsalvad@IASTATE.EDU (Ricardo J Salvador)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:02:29 GMT

Received this morning the sad news that Dr. Barbara McClintock has died.
This unquestionably marks the end of an era, and I thought it should not
go without remark in bionet.plants.

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    work so hard that there is no time left for serious thinking.
     They should heed the saying: "A busy life is a wasted life."
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From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Andrew and Fairchild Gardens
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:53:14 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
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X-XXDate: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.101420.20725@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> Tony Travis,
ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri writes:
>Is this return to high frequency storms associated with global warming ??

I doubt it.  If global warming has actually occurred at all yet, it has
been much too slight to begin to cause more hurricanes -- the area of the
ocean surface above 27 degrees C has probably not expanded noticeably
yet.  

Also, I don't think there really has been an increase in frequency of
hurricanes, has there (am I interpreting your question correctly?)?  I'd
want to look at data averaged over at least five or sixe years to reach
that conclusiong.

Good points about lodging damage, though.
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: bae@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Beverly Erlebacher)
Subject: Re: Andrew and Fairchild Gardens
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: bionet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.172833.20501@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri writes:
>
>I'm not an expert on cereal husbandry, but I thought oats was
>deliberately introduced into barley crops in the past to suppress the
>emergence of other weeds rather than to support the canopy ??

When I lived in Eastern Ontario, a marginal agricultural area, the local
farmers told me they planted a mixture of oats and barley because if the
year were dry, the one grain would do better, and if it were wet, the
other would.  So this method gave them a good stand and reasonable crop
of cattle feed either way.

Disclaimer: I am not a farmer. :-)

Beverly Erlebacher
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Xref: sparky bionet.agroforestry:97 bionet.announce:172 bionet.general:1669 bionet.plants:270
From: bsherman@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry,bionet.announce,bionet.general,bionet.plants
Subject: Institute of Forest Genetics DataBase --IFGDB
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:47:43 GMT
Organization: Institute of Forest Genetics DataBase




This is to announce the official Bionet emergence of 
the Institute of Forest Genetics DataBase (IFGDB).

Our focus is forest tree genome mapping.

It is our intention to provide help in informatics and molecular
biology for researchers in forest tree genome research anywhere
in the world.  We intend to publish a newsletter and to act as
a repository for maps, methods, software, images, mailing lists, etc.
Please contact us if your research seems related to our mission.

Internet e-mail: ifgdb@s27w007.pswfs.gov
Surface mail:    Brad Sherman, IFGDB, P.O. Box 245, Berkeley, CA, 94701
Phone:           (510) 559-6437
Fax:             (510) 559-6440

IFGDB is located at the Pacific Southwest Research Station of
the United States Forest Service in Albany, California and
at the Institute of Forest Genetics in Placerville, California.

IFGDB has been created as part of the prototyping phase of
the Plant Genome Database which will be centered at the
National Agricultural Library of the United States Department
of Agriculture.

We will be giving a special workshop in Forest Tree Genome Mapping
on 12 November 1992 at the Town and Country Hotel in San Diego
(following Plant Genome I).

The principal investigator for this project is David B. Neale.

Once again, please contact us.  We'll send you a questionnaire
and keep you informed of progress.
----
    Brad Sherman (bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov)
        These are zeroes--^^
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
From: maryelen@hfx001.nstn.ns.ca (Mary Ellen )
Subject: Databases? Telnet/FTP Sites?
Organization: Industry Science & Technology Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:33:29 GMT

Does anyone out there know of any Internet-accessible sites on the subject 
of agriculture or forestry? Please e-mail (preferred) or post responses.

AtDhVaAnNkCsE

Mary Ellen Foster
MARYELEN@hfx001.ns.istc.ca
From: cscc1s@menudo.uh.edu (Arthur K. S. Yeo)
Subject: Treatment For Meningitis
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:26:37 GMT

Hi bionet.sci-resources,

	I am beginning to start on a research in the area of
meningitis in children. If any of you can suggest some references
to papers/books with regard to this area, I would be most appreciative.
If you have also read of new treatments, I am very interested also.
	If this question has been asked here and there's a list of
FAQ, please point me to the ftp-site that holds it. Thank you.

--
Kathy
From: CMSWALTERS@KARL.IIT.EDU
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Monell-Joe Brand
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:14:32 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Hi netters,

I'm looking for e-mail addresses for Joe Brand & others at the
Monell Center for the Chemical Senses (U Penn campus).
Netfind doesn't know what to do with 'monell', either alone
or in conjunction with upenn.edu  Thanks in advance,

Eric Walters

===========================================================================
| D. Eric Walters, Ph.D.                                                  |
| Associate Professor, Biological Chemistry                               |
| Chicago Medical School                phone: 708-578-3000, ext 498      |
| 3333 Green Bay Road                   fax: 708-578-3240                 |
| North Chicago, IL  60064              email: cmswalters@minna.iit.edu   |
|                                                                         |
| "We have no money, therefore we must think" --Sir Ernest Rutherford     |
===========================================================================

Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: gat44@iastate.edu (Gabriel Trueba)
Subject: Dr. Young
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: bionet
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:44:06 GMT

 Hi netters

I would like to ask if anybody out there knows the address of

Dr Stephen Elledge
Dr.Michael Snyder
Dr.Richard Young

Thanks!
From: danj@WELCHGATE.WELCH.JHU.EDU (Dan Jacobson x-8453)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Re:  Cornell - Johnson Grad School of Mgmt
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:36:41 GMT
Distribution: bionet


Baxevanis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (Andy) writes:

>Does anyone have the node name for the Johnson Graduate School of
>Management
>at Cornell University?  I've been given jgsm.gsm.cornel.edu, but that gets
>rejected as an unknown location.
  


Good old NETFIND tells me that there are *at least* 3 relevant nodes:

jgsm1.gsm.cornell.edu
jgsm2.gsm.cornell.edu
jgsm3.gsm.cornell.edu

Best of luck,

Dan Jacobson


Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: Baxevanis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (Andy)
Subject: Cornell - Johnson Grad School of Mgmt
Followup-To: bionet.users.addresses
Organization: NIH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:28:15 GMT

Does anyone have the node name for the Johnson Graduate School of
Management
at Cornell University?  I've been given jgsm.gsm.cornel.edu, but that gets
rejected as an unknown location.

Thanks in advance.
From: D31@EARN.TRANAVM1 (suleyman aydin)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: D. Lavie (weizmann) ??
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:07:45 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: BIO-NAUT@UK.AC.DARESBURY


 
Dear bio-naut,
 
I would like to hear about Dr. D. LAVIE from WEIZMANN Institute,
Rehovot, Israel.   Is he still living/working there?  Since his
publications go back to 1950-s, he may be retired ...
 
I am willing to be in contact with him.  I am trying to have copies
of his works, especially about triterpenoids (cucurbitacins)...
 
Is there anyone out there who can help?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Suleyman AYDIN (student of pharmacology)
d31@tranavm1.bitnet
 
Post Scriptum: Is chem. dept. of weizmann still involved in cucurbitacin(s)
               and I am willing to have communications with the cucurbita-*
               researcher... (from any corner of the world..)
From: aescalan@ORION.OAC.UCI.EDU (Ananias Escalante)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Dr. Bryan F. J. Manley
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:35:39 GMT
Distribution: bionet


Dear Bionauts:

	I am interested in get the e-mail address of Dr. Bryan. F. J.
Manley, University of Otago, New Zealand. Thanks in advance,


			Ananias Escalante
			(graduate student)
			Dept. Ecology and Evol. Biology
			University of California, Irvine
			aescalan@orion.oac.uci.edu