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From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:02:07 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Oct6.175220.23@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>
>Actually, the best thing to do is move right ;-)  In California and
>Washington State you can be ticketed for not moving right to let someone
>pass.  
>

  Yeah, but I'm talking about when I'm already doing 70 or 75.  And why
  should I move out of the way of a tail-gater if _my_ relative velocity
  is greater than the cars to the right of me?   I agree, you shouldn't
  be in the left lane if you're doing the speed limit (55).  Seems like
  most of these guys use a simple (to them) rule:  If you're going slower
  than them you shouldn't be in front of them _regardless_ of how fast
  you're actually going.

>I try not to tail-gate (I was taught to keep one car-length per 10mph
>distance to the next car) but since Dallasites don't often move out of the
>way, I find that I have to approach more closely than I would like to
>"encourage" them to move right.
>
>Dan - mcdonald@dallas.sil.org


  And I'm saying it doesn't encourage me (and lots of other folks) to move
  over one bit.  After all, you're required to have insurance.  Go ahead 
  and rear-end me.  Might pay for some body work I'd like to have done. :^!

  And speaking of relative velocity, why do some people dart from lane to 
  lane when it should be completely obvious that the relative velocity of
  the lane they are switching to is slower than the lane they left?  They
  speed up thinking (apparently) that we're all going to slam on the brakes
  to let them in.  Sorry.  Why should I do that if they can't judge the 
  traffic flow and see that they're not going to make it?  I _don't_ speed
  up to cut them off.  That would make ME a jerk, but damned if I'm going
  to slow down just for them.  This is especially irritating when you're 
  on the open road trying to use your cruise control.

  Well, I didn't really mean to start a "road-flame" thread.  I just got
  back from a road trip last weekend, so this subject has been on my mind.
  I was mentally compiling a list of road peeves...

  1)  People who don't use their turn signals.
  2)  People who speed up when you pass them and slow down when they're in
      front.
  3)  People who insist on driving in your blind spot.
      
      etc, etc., etc. ad infinitum...


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From: Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Re: Tailgated in the slow lane
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:47:06 GMT

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>From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
>Subject: Re: Tailgated in the slow lane
>Message-ID: <1992Oct14.153129.19806@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
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>In <84300101@trsvax> cls@trsvax.tandy.com writes:
>
>>I'd like to know why when I'm going 55 in the rightmost lane of a four
>>lane interstate, people feel the need to tailgate me to try to make
>>me go faster.  If they are wanting to get off at the next exit, they
need
>>to either slow down or go around.  Actually I know the answer.  They
>>are selfish little brats who never grew up.
>
>And could you explain why it is that you are on the freeway driving a
>good 10 MPH under the prevailing speed of traffic?  You can be written
>a ticket for obstructing traffic for doing this in some states, even
>if the prevailing speed of traffic happens to be over the legal speed
>limit. 

Fred seems to be pretty sure that there was NOT JUST ONE, but A LINE of 
cars behind Christine that had established the prevailing speed of
traffic 
and that Christine was obstructing them by driving the speed limit.
Fred's 
been in places like CA, OR, MD, and CO. He must know what he's talking
about. 

What Fred seems to have stopped short at was what should be done with
people 
like Christine. Maybe her car should have a special mark on it so that
other 
sensible drivers like Fred can more easily avoid the hazard she presents.
 
Perhaps she should be kept in a special place. With a fence around it,
maybe 
some barbed wire.  'Eh, Fred?

Frank C. Sayre
sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:47:49 GMT
Distribution: dfw
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <ZNLisB1w164w@k5qwb.lonestar.org>, Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy writes:

> merlin@lerami.lerctr.org (David Hayes) writes:
> 
> > I did see one time where the cops did something about people passing a
> > traffic jam on the shoulder. It was in New Jersey, on route 18. The road was
> > two lanes each way. Traffic was backed up about 10 miles. I sat in the
> > right lane for about half an hour, inching ahead, and watching a series
> > of a**h**les passing everyone on the right shoulder. I considered sitting
> > half on the shoulder to block them off, but I decided against it.
> > 
> > My faith was rewarded when, about 3 miles later, I found a state trooper's
> > car sitting on the right shoulder. Parked behind him were all the cars that
> > had been passing on the shoulder. The drivers were all standing in a line,
> > handcuffed one to the next. The officer arrested the whole lot.
> > 
> > Served 'em right.
> 
> Seems strange to me no one ever gets really pissed off about the fact 
> th cops are writting tickets instead of straightening out the traffic 
> jam which they are being paid to do.

The guys passing on the shoulder probably were part of the reason that there
was a traffic jam.  Somewhere down the road they have to cut back into the
road, slowing down the people behind them.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:31:36 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article <1992Oct5.094504.21@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>Can anybody tell me why Dallas drivers seem to have an aversion to passing
>on the left?  I just don't understand why they would choose to pass on the
>right when the left lane is open.  If someone could enlighten me as to why
>I might not get so angry at them for violating such a basic highway
>courtesy.
>
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a reason why Dallas drivers pass on the right???  who cares!  why would
anyone ask a question like this?  i pass on the right because that's
the lane i choose to pass you in.

basic highway courtesy???  think about why a slow driver is not in the
rightmost lane.  how about that basic highway courtesy??  if people
are passing you on the right then *ding* "i must be going too slow.
maybe i should move over."

mike
-- 
Michael D Horbovetz                            mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org     
DSC Communications Corporation                 Plano, Tx  75075
From: alfredo@ajahnv.lonestar.org (Alfredo Jahn V)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re:  Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:01:21 GMT
Organization: Amiga 2000 (Home System)

In article <BvqGJJ.Dnp@cmptrc.lonestar.org> andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.175220.23@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>>
>>Actually, the best thing to do is move right ;-)  In California and
>>Washington State you can be ticketed for not moving right to let someone
>>pass.  
>>
>  Yeah, but I'm talking about when I'm already doing 70 or 75.  And why
>  should I move out of the way of a tail-gater if _my_ relative velocity
>  is greater than the cars to the right of me?   I agree, you shouldn't
> [ ...]
>
>  And I'm saying it doesn't encourage me (and lots of other folks) to move
>  over one bit.  After all, you're required to have insurance.  Go ahead 
>  and rear-end me.  Might pay for some body work I'd like to have done. :^!

HA HA HA!!! I got news for you, alot of people do *not* have insurance. I
know, this happend to me and *my* insurance had to pay! Actually, the person
just left the scene of the accident when I asked her for her insurance...
You may just want to get out of these jerk's way! 

Just to add another gripe.... Why do Texas drivers "rubber neck" so much?
When I lived in Chicago, people could care less about a cop stopping a
car in the other-bound lanes. I get so pissed when I've been backed up
on 75, only to find that it was due to some minor accident in the other
bound lane... Oh well, I'm here to stay (been in Dallas 12 years), so I
guess I'll just put up with it.... :-(

> [...]
>  1)  People who don't use their turn signals.
The reason for that (and I'm not kidding here) is that when someone (in
Dallas) puts on their turn signal to move into another lane, some idiot
in a pickup truck will speed up to not let you in... I think its some kind
of macho thing. I'm not sure. Therefore, people have to "sneak" in.

>  2)  People who speed up when you pass them and slow down when they're in
>      front.
>  3)  People who insist on driving in your blind spot.
>      
>      etc, etc., etc. ad infinitum...

Yeah! Its its really nuts!  

One more thing. I don't mean this against *every* Texas (I married one),
just "a lot" of them... :-)

--                              
Alfredo Jahn V                    alfredo@ajahnv.lonestar.org 
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From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Subject: Experience with Direct Computer
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: dfw
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:08:11 GMT

Anybody out there had an experience with Direct Computers, specifically
relating to Apple Macintosh systems.

Thx.

-- 
Matthew Lyle                                           matt@oc.com
Technical Support Specialist                           matt@utdallas.bitnet
OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 888-0474
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:37:25 GMT

In article <Bvpt3M.1s2@cmptrc.lonestar.org> andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
>goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal) writes:
>>
>>My main guess is that most drivers get so angry when someone behind
>>them, in the left lane, flicks their beams, or tailgates for a few
>>seconds, backs off, tailgates for a few seconds, backs off, etc..
>>
>>All the different ways to tell someone to move over..
>>
>>Anyways, I've noticed that most drivers get really upset when I do
>>this.  They don't move over and/or they honk and/or they do move over,
>>but only so they can get right behind you to tailgate and/or honk.
>>
>>Oh well...I still try it anyways...(flicking beams and so forth)
>>
>
>Doing that crap behind me is the surest way in the world to get me to slow
>down.  Every single time.  Get too close and I'll slam on the damn brakes.
>
>Don't forget that many people carry guns in their cars.  What if you
>antagonize the wrong driver on the wrong day at the wrong time?  Is it
>worth getting your head senselessly blown off?  It has happened.
>
Well...aren't WE in a GOOD mood!

Their is nothing wrong with that "crap", and *I* DON'T do it in a traffic
jam.

I DO do it if it *is* possible for the guy in front of me to switch to
the right.  Flicking your beams in a worldwide accepted sign.  I'm not
sure if it is a law or not, though I was told about it in Driver's Ed.

Anyways, why do you get so mad if someone is going faster than you
and they simple request that you move over for them?

You do know that you *are* suppossed to move over?


Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: shane@utdallas.edu (Shane Davis)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Reply-To: shane@utdallas.edu
Organization: The Univ. of Texas at Dallas, ACC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.114608.12340@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG>, allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.094504.21@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
|> 
|> >Can anybody tell me why Dallas drivers seem to have an aversion to passing
|> >on the left?  I just don't understand why they would choose to pass on the
|> >right when the left lane is open.  If someone could enlighten me as to why
|> >I might not get so angry at them for violating such a basic highway
|> >courtesy.
|> 
|> ...because there are so many idiots that insist on driving slow in the
|> left lane.  I call the right lane the "Texas Passing Lane" :-)   The
|> practice is common, and perfectly legal.
|> 
|> But I agree with you, it would be nice if people passed on the left.  I
|> don't think its going to happen, though, until some sort of law is passed
|> restricting slower drivers from the left lane.

One thing I have concluded is that Texas drivers are not crazy, they're
stupid. The biggest hazards seem to come from idiots who realize at the last
minute that they have to exit or who don't signal, things like that.

Drivers in other cities, like Boston, are nuts. I don't know which is worse.

Driving in Dallas is getting worse. 4-5 years ago, I don't think as many
people went through yellow/red left turn signals as today.

--Shane
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From: xdemsv@pds006.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (mark s vozar)
Subject: KNON Schedule
Keywords: KNON Radio	
Organization: Oryx Energy Company	 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:32:45 GMT

Does anyone have or know where I can get the program schedule for KNON -Community
radio? 
Thanks in advance

mark   email vozar@oryx.com
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:31:34 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Followup-To: alt.tailgating.jerks.lovefest.in.hell          


I wrote: 
 
>>> [stuff deleted]...  Seems like most of these guys use a simple (to them)
>>> rule:  If you're going slower than them you shouldn't be in front of 
>>> them _regardless_ of how fast you're actually going.

(Nancy Delagi) in defense of tail-gathers writes:
>And they're right.  Who are you to decide when a person is going fast
>enough and shouldn't go any faster?  Why don't you just be courteous, get
>over for a second to let them pass, then get back in the left.

[sarcasm follows]
You're right.  We should all just put snow ploughs on the front of our cars.
If anybody gets in our way, "screw 'em".  We'll just force them off the road,
because we shouldn't even have traffic laws.  The law of the jungle should
prevail.  Our right to drive like bats out of hell and arrive at our respective 
destinations 3 or 4 minutes earlier should take precedence.

If the traffic flow ever comes to an abrupt halt <no, THAT could NEVER happen>
and we plow into the back of a station wagon, maybe kill a little kid or two,
maybe paralyze somebody, it won't be _our_ fault because we were tail-gating,
it will be the fault of that silly twit with the temerity to get in our 
god-damned way.
[end of sarcasm]

I'm obviously outnumbered by tail-gathers and am suffering from no delusions
that I will change your minds, nor will you mine.  I have nothing further to
contribute to this thread.  You tail-gaters may begin proclaiming your    
victory in a high-pitched sing-song voice.

Followups to alt.tailgating.jerks.lovefest.in.hell


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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: John Wiley Price
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:30:39 GMT

jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.154409.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, htnguyen@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:

>> How long do we have to put up with this John Wiley Price crap!

>Well, if you are a so-called "black leader", you can do almost
>anything.  Don't worry, though.  JWP is determined to find out the
>hard way just how far he can go.  Sooner or later, they'll have to put
>him in jail.  Unfortunately, they keep encouraging him to keep doing
>worse things each time they let him off.

The courts are worried that convicting such a popular minority leader
will result in riots.  The LA riots have put a scare into them.

I agree that Price is deliberately trying to provoke the Police.  He
has as much as said so.

>Now, of course, he is going to have competition.  Councilman Hicks wants to
>get some of that publicity for himself.  For some unknown reason, many in the
>black community seem to like such antics...  The "political wisdom" is that
>the more stupid/obnoxious/illegal stuff that a politician does allegedly in
>the name of the "cause", the more votes he gets.  That is why they do this
>stuff.

That is certainly part of it.  It makes him appear above the law.

However, Price and several other minority leaders in Dallas are
tipping the scales unfairly towards minorities here.  Witness the DART
rail fiasco.  If the city council had just said, "Here's your money,
now go get the job done," it wouldn't still be just sitting on the
drawing board.

The political rule is this: Take care of your constituents (or at
least the majority of them) and you'll get re-elected.  It doesn't
matter one bit whether you help or hurt the council (state
legislature, senate, house, parliament, etc) as a whole.
-- 
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  "I think I've reached that point / Where every word that you write /
  Of every blood dark sea / And every soul black night / And every dream
  you dream me in / And every perfect free from sin / And burning eyes /
  And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure
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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:41:40 GMT

>
>Actually, the best way is to just gradually slow down on a tail-gater and 
>give them a big cheery smile when they finally roar by.  Very satisfying.
>
I do the same thing! :)

But what if they aren't tailgating?

If it is night I would flick my beams 1 or 2 times, if the person for
whatever reason did not feel like being courteous, I would pass on the
right.

In day, I get close to the car, back off, and do it again, not more
than 2 times.

I don't know about y'all, but when I'm cruising down north 75 where it
is 4-lanes at 70mph and I notice a car steadily approaching me from
behind, I just move over a lane. (this is only if I am in the far left
lane)
From: exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Bikers (Was: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: exulox@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 25801@netcom.com, harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>
>>Now if everyone would only quit trying to run over motorcycles......
>
>Ooohhh...  That reminds me of something I'd like to vent here...
>
>When are the motorcycle riders who ride the stripe between lanes in
>order to pass in heavy traffic going to get smart?  I have a theory
>that this will never actually happen, but that sort of rider will
>slowly disappear as they are killed the wrecks they cause...

Something most bikers did in Sweden (including me) that I have seen
only two bikers do during the two years I've been here is; when you
come up to a red-light, cruice by all the cars and stop directly at
the light.  (The cars are of course not moving)

When the light turns green there is no car in the world that'll keep 
up with a bike 0-40 and he'll be out of everyones way! 

I think this was illegal in Sweden aswell, but the police would
not enforce it. (I know - I've done it infront of their noses)

How come almost noone does it here? Are they afraid the car drivers
will do something nasty to them as they drive by? Are the police
officers particularly nasty to bikers here?

Another thing I've seen is that bikers usually park their bikes in
the parking spots, using a whole square that would have fit a Van.
In Sweden we would usually park out of the way from the cars. Like
on the curb, or an un-used portion of the parking lot. (No we would
NOT park where we would be in the way for some other reason) Would
you get a ticket for that here?

Curiously....
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From: greeves@kahuna.Arco.COM (Gayle Reeves - PRC C6609, X6691)
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Reply-To: greeves@kahuna.Arco.COM
Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:17:52 GMT

In article Dnp@cmptrc.lonestar.org, andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.175220.23@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>>
         lots of stuff deleted...

>
>  And I'm saying it doesn't encourage me (and lots of other folks) to move
>  over one bit.  After all, you're required to have insurance.  Go ahead 
>  and rear-end me.  Might pay for some body work I'd like to have done. :^!
>

Required to have insurance?  Yeah right.  The only two accidents I have ever had
involved people hitting me (their fault) with no insurance.  So they get a ticket
for lack of insurance - evidently no big deal for them.

I think you had better rethink your logic on that one.


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|  Gayle Reeves                  ARCO Exploration and Production Technology  |
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