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From: ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se (Per Harwe 6247)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: simple starting probl
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:37:32 GMT
Reply-To: ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
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              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
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In article 183800@pyramid.pyramid.com, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <11820.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) writes:
>>
>>
>>I've been told that petroleum jelly is great at keeping battery terminals
>>from corroding, just put on the inside of the cables (where they contact
>>the terminal), and you shouldn't have any problems with corrosion til you
>>need a battery replacement anyhow!
>
>  This is a good way to make SURE your car won't start.  The
>  petroleum jelly (or Vaseline) is an excellent insulator.  Even if
>  you just smear it over the connections, the heat will melt it and
>  it will penetrate between the post and the cabling.  A very thin
>  coating is enough to totally interrupt current flow.

Really? I have used Vaseline on my car batteries for the last 25 years
and not seen any problems with insulation.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Extoic sightings
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:26:59 GMT

In article 1bk6ikINN1s6@bigboote.WPI.EDU, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>fI know the feeling everyday on my way out I go by a ritzy apartment
>complex on the sidewalk I see the following each day:
>
>        1 . ) Subaru SVX
>        2 . ) BMW 850i Coupe
>        3 . ) Mercedes 750SL convertible
>        4 . ) Lotus Esprit
>        5 . ) 1992 OLDS '88 convertible (this car is the best)
>        6 . ) Cadillac Allante'
>        7 . ) Geo Metro (FLAME MATERIAL)
>

1) Japscrap
2) Luxury Car
3) Luxury Car
4) Exotic!!!!!
5) Luxury Car
6) Italo-American Bullshit
7) Multiply my answer to (1) by a factor of twenty.

It would appear that you are either joking or automotively ignorant.

Andreas.

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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Passaport radar detector
Keywords: DSP radar detector
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:06:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <nataraja.719154011@mica>, nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Vel Natarajan) writes:
|> sliberm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Sergio Liberman) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I will be in NY in the Oct. 17-24 week,
|> >and I am interested in buying the DSP-based
|> >Passaport radar detector. I think that the
|> >Passaport is produced by Cincinnati Microwave.
|> 
|> >Where I can find the Passaport in NY, preferably
|> >in Manhattan? How much does it cost?
|> 
|> >Are there alternatives to it? High performance and
|> >small size are much more important than cost.
|> 
|> >Please reply by email to sergio@msil.sps.mot.com
|> 
|> >Thanks,
|> >Sergio
|> 
|> If it's performance you're looking for, the Valentine 1
|> is supposed to be the way to go.  It's made by the guy who
|> co-designed the original Escort.  I'm looking into one myself.
|> 
|> Vel

  Just order the Passport directly from Cincinnati Microwave.
  Their 1-800 number is in any Car & Driver magazine and they
  offer overnight and 2nd day Fed Ex service.

  The Valentine 1 now has something like a SIX MONTH waiting 
  list, thanks mostly to winning C&D's last competition hands
  down.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fyhwong@athena.mit.edu (Francis Y Wong)
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:45:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.164250.5254@oracle.us.oracle.com>, alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law) writes:
|> tomkwong@orion.ucsb.edu (Kwong;Thomas;K.;CS;;COMS;Grad;940630;;500) writes:
|> >cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:
|> >
|> >>	Let's start a topic about exotic CARS!  Any MAN who knows about cars, 
|> >> owns an exotic car, seen exotic cars, please contribute your experience.  I  
|> >> used to have a CRX HF.  Of course it is nothing like a Ferrari, but with a 
|> >> 1500 c.c engine, it could go over 105 mph.
|> >
|> >> Tony Chan cosc180f@jetson.uh.edu      
|> >
|> >  I like Acura NSX!!  I've seen it several times when I was in HK in 1991 
|> >summer.  Unfortunately, all of them are parked on the street, not going real
|> >fast that I could barely get a glimpse of them.  Oh, the place I saw it most
|> >is in Tsim Sha Tsui.
|> 
|> You'll never ever see exotic cars going over 65 mph on the freeways
|> and 15 mph on the street.  Most exotic cars are meant for showing off.

I once saw a Ferrari Testarossa on freeway, I couldn't get close to it even
though I was already going around 90 mph.

Francis Wong


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bill@iron.tandem.com (norcott_bill@tandem.com)
Subject: Re: subtle question on Nissan ALTIMA
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:32:08 GMT

In article <5369@sumax.seattleu.edu>, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
|> Does the new ALTIMA have a small badge on the rear that says STANZA ?

Yes, the Altima says Stanza on the back.  This is another occurence
of the Datsun/Nissan name game they played a few years ago.  The 
first year of the name change they said Datsun in huge letters and
Nissan in little letters, then a year or two later it was Nissan in
huge letters and Datsun in tiny letters.  Finally the Nissan was gone.

Nissan has taken such a beating in the market place the last couple of
years, they want to have it both ways.  For people who never bought
a Stanza, the Altima is advertised as an all new car.  For people who
owned a Stanza and liked it, the name is there.  For people who bought
a Stanza and hated it, they have already lost them as customers.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Brakes--HELP!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:30:21 GMT

wizard@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ajay Khanna) writes:

>I'm a very depressed car owner.  Midas just told me they want 633.80 +
>tax to fix my brakes.  Says me, "633 DOLLARS???"  Can anyone suggest a
>more reasonable way to get brakes fixed?  I'm just out of college and
>struggling to repay debts and really and truly cannot afford this.
>I'm even willing to try to fix them myself.  The car is a Nissan
>Sentra '81.  Apparently Midas wanted to fix front and rear brakes...

>Any advice would be very much appeciated.  

>kris

Well, you did not say what all the work was that they wanted to do.
So i will assume somethings...like one, new shoes all the way
around...you can do this at home with out any problems...new
rotors/turned...you can take them off and put then on if you know what
you are doing, but to turn the rotors and or drums, you need to take
them into a shop and have them do it, any local NAPA store or reputable
parts store normally turns them for a nominal charge... new calipors in
the front...these are a little expensive, once i was to lazy to do it
myself and got socked about 200 for new ones and a brake job...but it
helped out a lot....it really depends on what the probelms are and if
you are willing to do it....what you could do is just get real good
insurance coverage....forget about the brakes...then a couple months
later run into someone or a wall and sue nissian for defective
equipment...why not , everyone else does it!

by the way, i was only kidding about that....
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:01:13 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>In rec.autos, kimnach@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
>
>>Ahh, statistics.  The insurance companies are betting that you as an
>>individual will not be involved in an accident, while you're betting that
>>you will be.  Why else would you have liability coverage?
>
In article <26391@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>Might have something to do with the law, and the requirement that you
>insure your car when you buy it on loan. Now why would that be?
   
   BZZZZZT.  Wrong on both counts.  Vanna will give you your
   consolation prize.

   Check the laws carefully.  You don't necessarily HAVE to have
   liability insurance.  If you are a rich MF, you can self-insure
   even in those states which require liability as a condition to
   issue plates and registration.  You just have to post a bond in
   the event you trash another car or person.  And in some states
   you only have mandatory liability insurance if you have an
   accident, get assessed damages, and CAN'T pay them.   

   As far as loans, they don't usually require liability, just
   collision and comprehensive....to protect THEIR car.  


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on terminals
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:27:55 GMT


This is getting silly.  Vaseline or dielectric greese will ONLY get inside the
contacts and insulate it IF AND ONLY IF there was NO contact to begin with i.e.
if the anticorosive material you applied took place of the dead air (which
is non-conductor).

The greese protects the EXPOSED portion of the mating material, which is by
definition not in contact with each other and prevents it from corosion.  If
unchecked, the corosion creeps slowly towards the contact area which may 
eventually result in bad connection.

That's why most electrical connections in the wiring harness of a car are packed
with white lithium greese.  The greese gets scrapped off at the actual contact
area of the juction.

Vikas Sontakke		Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Canadian names for U.S. Cars
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:25:01 GMT

In article 111012WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu, <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:
>Hello,
>On my last trip to Canada a few months ago, I was amazed to see just how
>many different names there were for "American" models sold in Canada...
>
>--The Dodge Dynasty and Daytona were sold as the Chrysler Dynasty and Chrysler
>     Daytona
> --The Geo Tracker was sold as the Chevrolet Tracker and GMC Tracker
> --The Chevrolet Corsica was sold as Chevrolet Corsica and Pontiac Tempest
>--The Geo Metro was sold as the Chevrolet Sprint, Pontiac Firefly and I
>   believe Geo Metro as well
> --Eagle had a version of the Mitsubishi Galant called Eagle 2000GTX
> --The Jeep Wrangler is called the Jeep YJ
>    and I'm sure there are others!!
>
> Plus, they have different names for import cars and a few we don't even get
>   here in the U.S.
>
>Anyway, why do they have different names for these "American" cars??
>  Since the U.S. and Canada are so similar (except for French speaking Quebec),
>  wouldn't it be easier and cheaper in marketing/advertising to use the same
>  names for similar cars in the U.S. and Canada?

  Do you all remember the Beaumont? This was almost identical to the Chevelle.
Canada only had Beaumonts and Chevelles. Don't think we had Malibus.

  What about Pontiac Acadians? Chevettes with a pontiac label.

  What's the difference between a Chrysler Dynasty and a Dodge Dynasty?
Chrysler is a name that is more popular with Canadians than Dodge because
Dodge makes working trucks, and Chrysler makes luxurious sedans.

  You see, Often models with American names don't appeal to Canadians. Put
a canadian name on it and it becomes familiar.

  Why did W.P. Chrysler call Plymouth Plymouth? I think the story goes
like this: Chrysler was going to produce a tough, no-nonsense low-cost car.
His target market was in rural areas of your country. He wanted farmers
to buy the car. Calling it a cow would be stupid. Calling it a horse
would make it too spirited to be dependable(interesting how that spirited
theme caught on for Ford in '64.) But naming it after the most popular
brand of hay-baling wire made the Farmers think subconsciously. Gee,
Plymouth is tough baling wire...Plymouth must be a tough car. Result:

MOST FARMERS BOUGHT PLYMOUTHS!!!!

  It would appear that different names would cost more, but in reality
they cost less because familiar names sell more cars.

  Ever wonder why many Monte Carlos are owned and driven by Italians?

  Ever ask why country folk don't drive Civics?

  Would you buy something called,"KREMLIN CRUISER?"

It's all in the name.

Andy.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saab 900i Problems?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:21:01 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct12.152315.3423@u.washington.edu> basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>Would you two please take this somewhere else?

	Not until I've convinced *every* *reader* of rec.autos never, never,
ever to buy a Saab.  

	I'm on a mission from God.
							the wharf rat


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: moonhawk@bluemoon.rn.com (David Culberson)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:27:54 EDT

smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:

> However...when I lived in an area where snow was a factor, the FWD car
> was much *easier* to drive in snow without losing control. Period. The
> car would simply *never* fishtail. With a RWD car, when it loses traction

  Well, last winter I was on the freeway, and hit a patch of ice, and did 
some gymnastics.  In a FWD, that is.  I have NO idea why there was ice on 
the freeway!!

                David

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Big or Small,was FWD or RWD: Which is better?
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:44:32 GMT

All this discussion about HEAVY vs. small getting better traction in the
snow is a bit much.  I drove small cars in the Mid-West for years and
only got stuck when the snow exceeded my ground clearance.

The cars with the best traction are those with the majority of their
weight over the driven wheels (i.e FWD, rear-engine RWD).  Putting
weight in the truck (boot?) only helps because it is changing the
weight distirbution.  

About the only advantage a large heavy vehicle has in the snow is
being able to blast it's way through drifts that aren't very wide.
(Then again, I have slid over the top of them in a small car).

A friend and I used to go tooth and nail at each other about which
was better FWD or Rear-Engine (he had a Saab, I had a Bug).  Every
winter we would wait eagerly for the first snow fall.  Then we would
go challenge each other (and ourselves) by hitting the county roads
before they were plowed.  Wow, what fun.  Conclusion of the great
drive-train challenge - draw!  

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Miata or CRX?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:41:45 GMT

Which is the better buy, a Miata or a CRX "del Sol"? I am particularly
concerned about build quality and handling.
From: hcs@adpgate.UUCP (Howard Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:55:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1629
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR


i do not drive my SHO during the week in traffic, but on the weekend i do
drive it hard and have not encountered any handling problem, at least
the situtations i have encountered i have been able to handle, perhaps it
is the car handling them sometimes instead of me.

90 SHO
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jhodges@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Jack Hodges)
Subject: Peugeot 505 Turbo Diesel Engine Replacement
Originator: jhodges@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:28:01 GMT

I am new to this newsgroup. I have a friend who is very
nonmechanical. She has a Peugeot whose diesel is starting
to have problems. I suggested junking the diesel and putting
a regular engine into the car, but thought I would ask here
to see if anyone knows if there are engines which will fit
the cars engine mounts, axles, and transmission, or is this
a totally custom job. Anyone know Peugeots out there?

Jack Hodges
San Francisco State University
From: hansel@convex.com (Kevin Hansel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: For Sale: Mitusbishi Eclipse GSX Turbo (Dallas area)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Oct13.182600.10538
Distribution: usa
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


               1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
                 All-Wheel-Drive Turbo

-Red
-16 Valve 2.0 Liter DOHC Turbocharged Engine
-195 Horsepower
-0 to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds
-5 Speed Transmission
-Full-Time All-Wheel-Drive
-Anti-Lock Brakes
-Power Windows, Locks, and Mirrors
-Security Alarm
-Sunroof
-6 Speaker Sound System
-Tinted Windows
-Only 17,900 miles - still under warranty
-Perfectly maintained:
   o Purchased with 6 miles on odometer - never test driven by anyone!
   o Kept under 65 mph and +3 psi boost for first 1000 miles
   o Valvoline 20/50 Turbo oil changed every 3000 miles
   o Standard factory service at 1000 and 15000 miles
   o Always allowed turbo 3 minute warm-up and 60 second cool-down periods
   o McQuire's wash and wax by hand only
-Mint Condition
-Original Owner
-Non-Smoker
-$14,900


This car is very fast and a total blast to drive.  It has been in Car &
Driver's 10 best issue 4 years in a row.  If you've never driven an all-
wheel-drive sports car, you're missing something.   

I'm selling it because I broke my leg in a dirt bike accident and 
won't be able to drive a standard transmission for a long time.

Give me a call!

Home Phone : (214) 264-0257   (Dallas Ft. Worth area)

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From: simnet@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: AWD -vs- 4WD (was PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD).
Summary: AWD -- more to it than that!
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:57:03 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

In article <Oct03.052507.14508@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
> In article <1211@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
> >	Just what is the difference between AWD and 4wd?
> 
> marketing.  all-wheel drive is a phrase coined by the marketeers to
> mean permanent 4wd, while "4wd" by itself traditionally implied part
> time 4wd and conjured up images of locking hubs, transfer cases and
> several transmission shifters.  if a normal passenger sedan or sports
> coupe was sold as "4wd", the joe blow on the street is going to get
> mighty confused.  "can it haul 50 pounds of corn feed to my cows in
> the fields when it gets wet and muddy?"  i think that there was a
> legitimate need to differentiate cars like the Eagle Talon with cars
> like the old Subaru 4x4's.  (the legacy, however is quite wonderful
> despite the agricultural reputation of the marque)

There is one factor that seems to separate AWD from 4WD in almost every
case (I can't think of one exception). The AWD car has a center differential
which is limited slip (either auto locking or viscous coupled). The 4WD
vehicle has a manually locked center differential (transfer case).

The result of this is that 4WD vehicles can not be used on dry pavement (the
front and rear axles want to turn at different speeds when cornering and
can't when you have good traction). AWD is always engaged and the front and
rear axles can turn at different speeds. Therefore, the AWD car corners better
than the 4WD one (in 4WD mode) on ALL surfaces.

The downside of AWD is that you can't turn it off so you'll have more rolling
friction and therefore lower gas mileage than the 4WD when you don't need to
have 2 axle traction.

		Mark
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:05:08 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan) writes:
>This is pretty lame, since I really should be taxed based on what I
>paid.  But like someone else said, if so many people didn't try to
>cheat the state, they wouldn't have to make bogus rules like this.
>--

I only sort of agree. maybe the state ( or feds ) shouldn't be so big
as to require all of those unforgivably high taxes!

-- Dan

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From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <51235@harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)> writes:


>The only relevance this question has to the original topic of FWD vs.
>RWD is that RWD cars tend to be heavier in general than FWD cars, but
>that fact has little to do with the essential drivetrain differences.

I agree.  I had posted an anecdote of certain situations where I've found that
driving a light RWD gave me better handling and drive in the snow than
did a heavier one.  Period. It wasn't presented as a universal truth, applicable
in every situation.  Obviously, heavy vehicles get around in the snow, too.
The Physics Police denied that a lightweight vehicle could ever be an
advantage, citing some vague (but never named) physics, as though my
anecdote was a personal attack on large cars.

	Dave

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From: hogan@csl.sri.com (Emmett Hogan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Looking for a good Acura Mechanic
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:57:43
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.
Distribution: ba
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Hi all,

   I have a 1991 Acura and I need to get it tuned up.  Can anyone
suggest a good, reputable mechanic in the SF Bay area who won't charge
me an arm and a leg to do the work.

Thanks in advance,
Emmett


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