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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Draft Stuff
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:38:52 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

Regarding the upcoming draft: anyone who thinks Gino Toretta is anything
other than  the second coming of Vinnie Testeverde is in for a big shock.

His 3 INT performance (24 completions from 50 attempts?) in the Miami loss
to Alabama and his mediocre performance in every big game (vs. Florida St.
and vs. Syracuse) just serve to emphasize this point.

satish nair
ray is gone! (what next?)
From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC playoff picture questions
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:38:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <3197@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
> OK, the Cowboys have the NFC East.  If they lose next week, and the Saints
> win, and the Saints win the wildcard game, then the Cowboys and Saints
> will play each other in the second round.  The question is, since they
> both finished with 12-4 records, who will host?

  The Cowboys, as division champs, would host.  Division champs are always
seeded higher than wildcards.
 
> The other question is:  if the Saints lose next week and the Eagles win,
> then they play each other in one of the wildcard games.  Who will host
> this game, since they both finish with 11-5 records?

  Tiebreaker applies.  Don't have who'd win that tiebreak in front of me,
though.  Any help, guys and gals??
 
							Mike Falkner
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 07:47:04 MST
From: <IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Skins (Posse) start woof...

In article <Bzy5F0.FIv@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple
Bleeder ) says:
>
>In a clip showed on the TV during the Bears/Boys game, which
>featured a part of an interview with one of the members of
>the Posse (WR-Corps of the skins), he says
>
>"We are confident of beating the Vikes next Saturday. The Posse
>and Rypien will be humming and we are always good in the
>playoffs. Much as we are greatful to the Vikes for beating the
>Packers, we are also ready for them".
>
>This comes after a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Raiders,
>I am surprised that he has the temerity to underestimate a
>good team.  I am not saying that the Skins cannot beat the
>Vikes, going by their recent record at the Dome, but
>what about respecting the other team for what it has done this
>season.
>
>On his part, Dennis Green was very gracious and gave lot of
>credit to the Skins.
>
>On my part I feel: Howmuch do the Vikes need to  gain
>respect in the NFL. Why are some of the people on other teams
>treating the Vikes with disdain. But then the Vikes are level
>headed, thanx to Green and I will be happy if they can
>huff and puff the Skins, win or lose next week.
>
>S.H
Maybe I missed something here, but I don't see the disrespect you're
alluding to. The Redskin you quoted simply said the Skins are confident
going into that game. How does that even imply disrespect? I think he
would have said the same thing no matter who the Skins faced.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: 93wang@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Playoff thoughts and predictions WK 15
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.221711.4739@admin1.memst.edu>, jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
> Playoff's thoughts and predictions.
> 
> NFC WILDCARD GAMES
> 
>    WASHINGTON    17
> at MINNESOTA      3
> 
>    PHILADEPHIA   17
> at NEW ORLEANS   10
> 
> Minnesota who really should be in the playoffs, who are standing in for a 
> more deserving Green Bay Packer squad, will show there offensive
> ineffectiveness against Washington, who might be a contender for the Super
> Bowl again this year.  New Orleans will suffer another heart breaking loss 
> as the stronger defense will prevail for Philadelphia.
> 
>    WASHINGTON     10
> at DALLAS         27
> 
>    PHILADELPHIA   21
> at SAN FRANCISCO  17 
> 
> In a match that has favored Dallas for the past two years the Cowboys will
> crush Washington avenging a bad call at the end of the last match-up.  
> Philadelphia avenging a bad spot that cost them the last time they played San
> Francisco will prove to be the better squad on this day.
> 
  {irrelavant stuff deleted}

I think Washington plays San Francisco and Philadelphia plays Dallas if
both Washington and Philly win.

Bo
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes-In Probowl
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:22:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <Bzs994.JDq@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>Six Vikes (all from the Super-D) are named for the 1993 Pro-Bowl.
>
	Actually this is not correct. McDaniel and Zimmerman were named
	as starters from the offense.

>There are 4 starters and 2 reserves.  The D-man (Doleman), and
>McDaniel were among the Starters and Todd Scott was named 
>in the Reserve category.
>

	Players from Minnesota are

	Chris Doleman	STARTER
	Henry Thomas	RESERVE
	Audray McMillan STARTER
	Todd Scott	RESERVE
	Gary Zimmerman 	STARTER
	Randal McDaniel	STARTER

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
	Im be at the Dome this Sunday!


-- 
Minnesota Vikings	NFC Central Division Champions 1992-93!

Gannon back in the pocket, DRAW to Allen, Allen bursts up the middle,TOUCHDOWN!
From: C.Thomas.Eyford.III@dartmouth.edu (C. Thomas Eyford III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Det/SF rehash, Niner prospects
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:41:55 GMT
 <103346@netnews.upenn.edu> <16117@auspex-gw.auspex.com>  
 <1992Dec29.210800.10793@pony.Ingres.COM>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec29.210800.10793@pony.Ingres.COM>
daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:

> The diff was number of possessions.  Did the defense rise in the
> second half, or did the Lions lay down like sheep?  With the score
> 10-3 at the half, and the ball-control the Lions were showing, it
> looked like the Phoenix game in progress to me.  But Detroit came out
> misfiring with the pass instead of the run, giving Montana the chances
> to look good.  If He'd only had three possesions and Detroit had
> scraped out one TD, it would have been 10-10 into OT, where SF would
> have won.

Did I watch a different game?  The one I saw had the Niners up 7-6 at
halftime, whereupon Joe led the team to 2 TDs and a FG in the second
half.


RL: Tom Eyford                        E-mail: eyford@mac.dartmouth.edu

"So, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll
try to kill each other like civilized people?"  
                                      -- Westley, _The Princess Bride_  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: debry@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Immaculate Reception Conspiracy Theory (tm)
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:13:31 GMT
Reply-To: debry@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Dec21.165021.13828@Princeton.EDU> frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti) writes:
>
>	BTW, all of the commentary I've heard on that play has led me to believe
>that it should have been incomplete and is another example of the refs
>blowing a big one.  By far the worst part of the whole deal (as John
>Madden is so quick to point out) was the phone call business.  JM said
>something like "how come they could make the call after getting a phone
>call and not before"
>
>FRANK

A recent secret computer-enhanced audio tape analysis (performed in the
Former Soviet Union) proves that there was a second quarterback on the
grassy Noll.  Therefore, Bradshaw (in the Louisiana School Boy Depository)
was not the lone passer.  Unfortunately, Terry Bradshaw's brain, Frenchy
Fuqua's heart, and Jack Tatum's courage have been lost by the
Smithsonian Museum, so another autopsy is not possible.  The only man
who _really_ knows what happened (John Facenda) was tragically shot dead
by deranged former night club owner Al Davis in a southern California
hotel, despite the efforts of bodyguard Rosie Greer.

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: AP Coach of the Year 1992
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 08:19:00 GMT

In article <8fEeDgq00WDK0HYGcr@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:

>> The vote:
>
>>      Cowher      23
>>      Ross        20
>>      Holmgren     9 1/2
>>      Green        8
>>      Seifert      7
>>      Marchibroda  6
>
>so Bobby Ross only lost by 3 votes...that's not too bad. I can't believe
>Seifert got more votes than Marchibroda! I guess it goes to show just
>how stupid the media can be sometimes......at least they didn't put Levy
>in there!

I agree.  Marchibroda should have been much higher.  I would have ranked 
them like this:

      Ross
      Marchibroda
      Cowher
      Green
      Holmgren
      Mora      (I know I'll get ripped for this one)
      Seifert   

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: kak1@birch02.cray.com (Kevin Kramer)
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Originator: kak1@birch02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:59:00 CST


In article <1992Dec28.153029.25827@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
> 
> The way I got it figured, the score is at least 7-0 in Packer fan's 
> favor as far as showing class goes.
> 
> JGH

Now I have seen everything!!  I expected the pak fans to feel a little sorry
for themselves, but this is just silly.
From: heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 14:16:38 CST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Green Bay Bob/Pro Bowl

 I'd like to thank the people who copy me on their replies to the newsgroup.
 I'm unable to view the newsgroup so it makes discussion easier.

 One happy thought: At least in the pro bowl we'll be able to watch Packer and
 Viking players work as a team to beat the AFC.

 Green Bay Bob
 Proud to Be a Packer Backer

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: dpp@cray.com (Dave Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:17:47 CST

In article 2668@weber.com, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:

<stuff deleted>

>
>No, I don't love it.  I'm just a little vengefull and a lot bitter.  For the
>past 10 years I have run into NO - zero - zip Packer fans who were willing to
>admit that the Bears WERE a good football (before this year).  All they would 
>tell me was - you guessed it "the Bears still suck".  Now the Packers have one
>good season and too many Packer fans I know are gloating about it as if they
>just won the Super Bowl or something!  And now that the Bears are close to
>the cellar, they'll all admit the Bears were great in 85!

I don't know of any Packer fans who wouldn't admit the '85 Bears were a
great team.  They were.  However, those same Packer fans still hated
the Bears, so they probably weren't saying it very loudly.  Maybe it
had something to do with the cockiness of some of the Bears players
back then.

>
>Obviously,  there are a lot of Packer fans who aren't/weren't like this.  I
>just didn't know any of them.
>
>The Pack is good this year, but even their own head coach admits they're
>playing over their heads.

I have yet to hear Mike Holmgren make a statement like this, and I'd be really
surprised if he ever did.  All he said was that the Packers don't have the 
talent yet to overcome a breakdown in any phase of the game.


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers/Vikes ...
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:30:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzy1E3.2CJ
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

The best comment on CBS by the commentator sums up what
I feel.

"The Vikes came out to this game with a point to prove about
their dominance of the NFC-Central and they feel that they
have put the Packers back where they belong"

Total dominance by the Vikes on both sides of the ball
and all u Pack fans who belittled the Vikes....well
now u know what is what and who is who, now that the Vikes
have stuffed the football in ur big mouths.  

Nuff' said and BTW, I hate to see those Skins come
into the Dome and the Skins players have already started
woofing.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Green Coach of Year? I don't think so.
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:16:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




I disagree about the all of the Vikings offense sucking.  Terry Allen had a
good year (rushing for 1000 yards... when was the last time a Vikes rusher
did that... wonder how much Herschel has this year:-) Also, they have good
deep threats in the two Carters and a good to guy in Steve Jordan (from
Brown University).  It really is their lack of a decent QB which has hurt
them and yes a QB really does mean that much to an offense based on the
Redskins' (just ask Rypien). Green has done wonders with a team that was 
getting fat on its past laurels.  That's more than anyone could ask for from
a rookie coach... my vote: Dennis Green coach of the year.

satish nair
giants (is ray gone yet?)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: George Seifert -- coaching record
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:25:37 GMT


  The skinny on Seifert's coaching record, counting this year:

  Regular season : 51-12-0 (0.809)
  Postseason     :  4- 1-0 (0.800)
  Overall        : 55-13-0 (0.808)

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Aikman a weakness?!? (was Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON))
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:18:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec22.155317.11678@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>He has been there for 4 years and should
>no longer have fans justifying his weaknesses by saying he is just young.

What weaknesses are you talking about?  The only weakness Troy has is that
he throws too many interceptions.  That's a bad one, to be sure.  Sometimes
he just doesn't see the defender waiting for the INT.  But it's the only
weakness he has, and he has improved upon it every year.

Other than that, he is currently the second-ranked QB this year.  He also
has the third-highest completion percentage *lifetime*, behind Kelly and
Saint Joe.  He's big, strong, and throws beautiful passes.  Staubach, of
all people, said he wished that he had been that physically talented.

Troy has the second-most yards this year, behind only Marino; third-most
touchdowns, behind Young and Marino (and tied with Kelly).  Pretty good
company all around, people mentioned as almost sure future hall-of-famers.

>If Dallas had a QB that was as good as Emmitt Smith, Irving, or that defense,
>I think Dallas would be awesome and 15-0 right now.

No, what Dallas needs to be 15-0 right now is linebackers the likes of
Pat Swilling or Junior Seau.  The QB is just fine, thank you.  Would I
take Young instead?  Not on your life.  Not to knock Young's abilities,
understand, but Troy is the perfect QB for the Cowboys.

Daniel Welch
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Viking vs Packer History Comparison
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:55:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <19921222.115047.540@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:
|I can only hope that
|the Packers take the third wildcard and can therefor trounce the Vikings two
|weekends in the row. Its just tooooo good to be true.
 
Like they say, if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.

|And as for clinching against a tough team, the Vikings stumbled into that
|victory. What a lifeless boring game. Its a crying shame that Pittsburgh
|couldn't have one.
 
I thought they *did* have a boring game too.

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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: varmint@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Samir Varma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Could someone send me the dates and times of playoff games?
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:30:59 GMT
Reply-To: varmint@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Samir Varma)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Particle Physics, University of Texas
Originator: varmint@huey.cc.utexas.edu


As the subject says.  Does anyone have a list of the dates and times of
the playoff games (upto the Super Bowl)?  I'm planning my vacation and I'd
like to not miss them!!

Thanks a lot,
Samir Varma
varmint@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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"Which half of the Dolphins will show up this week on the field?"
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Answers to Super Bowl Trivia Time!
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:45:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Here are the answers and commentary to the Super Bowl related quiz I
posted last week

1.)  Name the only two head coaches who've won Super Bowls as a player,
assistant coach and head coach.  Hint:  one in the NFC; one in the AFC.

Most people got the NFC coach: MIKE DITKA
The AFC coach, however, was a bit tougher...only a couple nailed this
one:
TOM FLORES

2.)  The Rose Bowl is the site for SB XXVII.  To date, how many SB have
been played at the Rose Bowl?  Which SB's?

This was a toughie unless you had your stat book...there have been 4
Super Bowls played at the Rose Bowl, XI, XIV, XVII, XXI.  This year's
Super Bowl XXVII will the fifth SB in Pasadena.

3.)  Who is the all-time leading post season receiver in NFL history?  
Hint: it's not Jerry Rice.;-)

This one stumped everyone...I think what was initially confusing was
that I was looking for the all-time leading POST SEASON receiver, not
the all-time Super Bowl receiver (which, BTW, was correctly identified
by 2 people as Roger Craig).  The all-time leading post season receiver
in NFL history:
CLIFF BRANCH/Raiders  73 receptions over 22 games (that's a lot of post
season games, folks!)

4.)  What former SB MVP entered the '92 season as the leading active
rusher in the NFL?

Ah, the inevitable typo...a couple of you picked up on this one.  Eric
Dickerson IS the leading active rusher in the NFL now and was at the
beginning of the season...unfortunately, poor Eric hasn't won the SB
MVP 'cuz he hasn't even been to the big dance!  The question should
have read:  What former SB MVP entered the '92 season as the leading
active rusher in the NFC, the key here being NFC, not NFL.  Correct
answer: OTTIS ANDERSON/Giants 10,242 yards.

5.)  Since the AFL-NFL merger in '70, who is the only wild card team to
win a Super Bowl?  Who did they beat?

This one was kinda easy, especially for Raider fans...answer:  The 1980
OAKLAND RAIDERS, an 11-5 wildcard, won Super Bowl XV against the
Eagles.

6.)  Who is the only player in the NFL history to be a member of 3
different SB winning franchaises?  Which teams were these?

This one was more difficult than I first imagined, although there were
2 people who hit it on the nose. Answer:  MATT MILLEN  Millen played on
the following Super Bowl winning teams: Oakland/LA Raiders, SB's XV &
XVIII; San Francisco 49er's, SB XXIV; Washington Redskins, SB XXVI.
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I hope those of you who participated had fun.  Perhaps I'll post
another like quiz in the future.  I'll try to find a better "prize",
though...no one seemed very interested in winning John's book. Hey,
maybe that's why there was no perfect scores! ;-)

Any who, Happy Holidays all and may your team achieve some measure of
success in the year to come...since it looks like Handley is toast, my
prayers have already been partially answered. :-}

Mike Colburn
Land of the Giants
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:06:30 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <BzMoEo.6r8@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <3181@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes...
>>In article <BzLBCD.A1q@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
>>>This game down to which defense was
>>>better, and the Bills showed that they were the better
>>>defense
>>If you really believe this, you ignorance of what defense means is staggering.
>Gee Dan, why don't you enlighten us as to what a defense means? I thought
>it had something to do with preventing the other team from scoring, 
>especially in a clutch game, on the road and with 3 pro-bowlers on the
>sideline, but I could be wrong.

He didn't say the better defense that day, he said the better defense, period.
Sorry for the confusion.  My point is that the Saints defense, despite the
loss, is still miles above the Bills'.

Besides, the Saints don't have the powerhouse offense that the Bills have,
or are supposed to have, anyway.  It was a close game, which means the Saints'
defense played better, since their offense isn't as good.

>Oh wait, that's right. The Bills aren't an NFC team therefore they
>can't possibly have a decent defense. Sure...that's it, just ask
>Ed Lor, he'll tell ya.

Oh, grow up.  No one said that.  No one except Ed, and please don't confuse
me with *him*.  In fact, some of the best defenses in the league are in the
AFC this year.  But they're in Kansas City, San Diego, and Houston, not in
Buffalo.

Daniel Welch

p.s.  As for points allowed, last time I checked, the Bills were 10th or
11th.  Guess where the Saints are.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:55:33 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <103346@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
 
|PS Anyone else notice the look on Steve Young's face?  Let's see, he leads the
|Niners to the best record in the NFL, is the highest rated passer in the
|league, will probably lead the team to the NFC Championship game and all 
|50,000 Niner fans wanted was "Joe! Joe! Joe!"

I thought Sieferts expressions were better.  After Montana ran for a first
down the show Siefert with kind of a satisfied grin on his face.  Later when
Montana completed his second touchdown pass he had sort of this "oh shit,
now what am I going to do" expression on his face.  

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