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From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Subject: Re: What does cc -D option means ?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:43:57 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

In <32981@adm.brl.mil> AMARAL@fncrd0.fnal.gov (Jorge Luis M. do Amaral) writes:

>Hi ,
>	Does anyone can explain me what the cc -D option means ?

>	I'm trying to compile a program that has in his make something
>like:
>	cc -g -DWANT_X11 -DWANT_MFB ....

It's the command line equivalent of

	# define	WANT_X11	1
	# define	WANT_MFB	1

There is another version of -D that allows You to replace the "1":

	cc -g -DDATE=\"10/12/92\" ...

which is the equivalent of

	# define	DATE	"10/12/92"

But You're not trying to tell us that "man cc" doesn't tell You all
this, do You?
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From: cschang@hamlet.umd.edu (C. S. Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin
Subject: UnixWare from Univel
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:03:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


Please provide me some information on UnixWare from Univel.  Such as
how it work, it's requirement and how to get a beta testing system.

Thanks in advance.


Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:12125 comp.dcom.fax:1881
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Unix Fax Servers
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: kak2@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Steve Elias (eli@spdcc.com) wrote:
:  sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
: > eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias) writes:
: >>those concerned with legalities might want to 
: >>note that faxback is a patented thang (IFF the fax is
: >>sent out via a separate phone call.)
: >
: >We'll also note that there are several good examples of the technology
: >concerned that pre-date the patent application date that should lead to
: >the patent being thrown out if and when it gets to court. 
: 
: i think that's absolute hogwash, but to each his own.

In the United States, at least so far, the patent goes to whoever
can show they developed the idea FIRST, as opposed to being the first
to file the patent.

Common usage can also defeat a patent application.

There are certain interests who believe that this process should
be streamlined, giving the patent to the first filer.

I don't know how these thing apply to *existing* patents,
but the U.S. has a common law system, and the judicial
system "uses its judgement".  Defense of a weak patent
may be more difficult here than in a civil law system.

: 
: >The patent covers use of signals (i.e. DTMF tones) to control the delivery
: >of faxes from a computer system.
: 
: i think the above statement overstates what the patent covers.
: 
: > For example, Globefax a service like this 
: >was in place and being offerred commercially in Canada in January of 1988 by
: >Teleglobe Canda.  The patent application date is May 11, 1988.
: 
: sorry, but i reject your armchair patent lawyering and do not
: want to engage in that any more than i've already done.
: 
: let's let the lawyers deal with that crap elsewhere
: and keep only the crucial tech info here, eh?  in this case, 
: the crucial info is that there is a patent.  

....which may not stand.  If I understand the description right,
the improvment of the patent is fairly obvious and trivial 
(a subset of broadcast fax service)

The real issue is to what extent to pay attention to this patent.
In such a litigious society, where people and companys attempt
to gain advantage by legal manouvering, the patent filer may be
trying to extend the value of a narrowly defined patent,
and attempting to gain revenues by the *threat* of legal action,
while the actual case may be weak. 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: kbeer@wam.umd.edu (Ken Beer)
Subject: Block size/Version No. question
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:39:46 GMT

 I working on an old system with no man pages and a scarcity of gurus.
I would like to know the block size for the tape drive.  Is there any way
to do this from UNIXtm? (i.e. without having to take apart the drive
or sending away for long forgotten manuals?)

Also, is there a way to determine which version of Unix you are using
directly, withosing some technique like, "It supports aliasing, it 
must be Sys.V" or whatever?

THANKS,

	
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Anyone can remove files
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:16:03 GMT

coleman@bldrdoc.gov (Sean Coleman 497-5672 ) writes:


>If a directory has the permissions drwxrwxrwx and there
>exists a file in the directory owned by user A with
>permissions rw-------, why should anyone be allowed to
>remove the file? Does the directory permissions have 
>precendence over file permissions? I would of thought
>that eventhough the directory has write permissions for 
>the group and other, they still shouldn't be able to 
>remove the file since only the owner can read and write.

There are two different permissions here. The file permissions
control what a user can do with the data within the file. It
does NOT control what a user can do with the file it's self.

The dir permissions control what a user can do with the file. It
does NOT control what a user can do with the data within the file.

Between the two permissions, the complete file/data permission is
created. So if you want to permit a file Read/Write, you change
the access to the file. If you want to permit the file Create/Destroy,
you change the access to the directory the file is in. 

Lets say you chown a file to someone else, and the access on the
file was 700. You would not be able to read or write the file. 
You would not be able to change the owner back to you (or anyone
else). You would not be able to change the access to something
you did have access to, but if you still had R/W access to the
directory that file was in, you would be able to destroy it, because
destroy access has to do with the dir access, not the file access, or
file owner.

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From: jtodd@mainz-emh2.army.mil ( Jerry Todd)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: ADP Organizations/Societies
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:19:47 GMT

Folks,

I'm trying to put together a list of professional ADP accrediting
organizations and professional ADP societies or associations.  Optimally,
I'd like to be able to put together a comprehensive listing with organization
names, addresses, organizational focus or interest, and a phone number and 
point of contact for each group.  I feel that a list of this sort would be 
extremely useful for both new ADP'ers as well as older career 'crossovers'
like myself.

Any pointers would be much appreciated!  Please EMAIL your responses so as
not to clutter up the net--I'll post a summary of responses when I've
completed my efforts.
==============================================================================
   Jerry Todd                                       jtodd@mainz-emh2.army.mil
   Analyst                                          FAX        (06131)696467
   Mainz Army Depot                                 Comm. Phone(06131)696349
==============================================================================
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Man page naming convention
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:12:23 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Oct8.183108.21963@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>:Why does the man command require the section number of the man page entry
>:to be in the file name suffix, when it's already in the directory name?

>One reason is that people can have one man3 directory that contains
>both system.3 (or 3c) and system.3f, just to name one scenario.

I considered that, but why couldn't that be /usr/man/man3/system and
/usr/man/man3/system.f?  Also, did they have the lettered subsections when
the naming convention was started?

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: 'w' command
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:18:20 GMT

asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK) writes:
:)The 'w' or the what command seem to intrude the privacy, IS there any way
:)to mask what the user is doing, to a foreign user executing the w command.
:)The only way i thought so was by Starting a script, which creates a virtual
:)shell.

I usually run a few programs in the background, all of which spend about
a minute sleeping each loop. A "w" on myself shows only that I'm sleeping.

The problem is, "ps aux | grep <user>" will reveal all processes anyway.
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From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: 'w' command
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of newton@wilbur.psu.edu (Cynthia Newton):
:Try a soft link.....

Nope, 'ps c' will find it.

This "hide from the next guy" stuff is weird.  Why would you do that?

If you want a fascist system, you can do that by removing or limiting
all commands that check on other folks and then protect all kinds of
system files.

But why bother?

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist


Yes, but every time I try to see things your way, I get a headache.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Charts and Reports
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 13 OCT 92 16:55:08 EST


I'm looking for a report writing and graphical package (bar graphs, line plots,
histograms, pie charts, etc...) 

Anyone know of any - off shelf packages or public domain. If so, can you
provide company names and phone numbers if available?

Thanks. 

Regards,
Steve.

/*********************************************************
* Steve Shapiro                 * All views and opinions *
* SKS Computer Consulting, Inc. * expressed are my own   *
*********************************************************/
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: .signatures, fortune files, etc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:20:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct9.212010.28569
Organization: University of Washington

I'd like to set up a .signature that would include a randomly-chosen quote
each time I used it.  Or, failing that, set up my own fortune file so I
can at least have random sayings, if not imbedded in the signature.  Does
anyone know how I could go about doing this?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,biz.sco.general
From: rodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Rick Odeen)
Subject: Re: Consensus
Organization: Nutrition Coordinating Center, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.130024.26438@zeos.com> kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann) writes:
>Just out of interest, the head office for Consensys in
>the States is in  Universal City, TX.   As a corporate diversification
>strategy it is also a gun shop.  (To be fair, they specialize
>in gun parts and do not sell shells.)

Are you sure that it's a GUN shop and not a GNU shop  :-)  If they are
a GNU shop they probably wouldn't sell shells but just give them away
(like bash) under the GPL.

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Subject: Re: Anyone can remove files
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:44:48 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

coleman@bldrdoc.gov (Sean Coleman 497-5672 ) writes:

>If a directory has the permissions drwxrwxrwx and there
>exists a file in the directory owned by user A with
>permissions rw-------, why should anyone be allowed to
>remove the file?

You can prevent that in SGI's IRIX, and quite a nice feature it is, too:

[from the rm(1) manpage]

If the directory containing the file to be removed has the 'sticky' bit
set (see chmod(2)) then in order to remove the file one of the following
must be true:

	  the user owns	the file,
	  the user owns	the directory,
	  the file is writable by the user, or
	  the user is the super-user.
-- 
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The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: gordon@dcs.exeter.ac.uk (Gordon Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: WANTED: Material for 1-hour UNIX Intro
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:29:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Computer Science Dept. - University of Exeter. UK

I have committed myself to giving one of these the day after tomorrow
(Thursday) to our new postgrads. Any kind soul got some slides or an
outline of such a talk they could give me? We have Sun w/ OpenWindows
and Silicon Graphics w/ Motif.

Thanks,

Gordon.
--
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 UNIX Systems Manager
  Department of Computer Science
   University of Exeter
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: wessir@stein.u.washington.edu (Bill the CAT)
Subject: talk
Followup-To: wessir@stein.u.washington.edu 
Keywords: talk
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:46:30 GMT
From: ddt@mdi.gwinnett.com (Dusit Tansathein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: NFS problem?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:21:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Majure Data Inc., Roswell GA

Hi,

I get the following message on the console of our NCR-3447 running UNIX SVR4.2:
"WARNING: dlpi.c: ILD: could not allocb DL_UNITDATA_IND".  My questions are:

1) Does this have something to do with NFS (our NCR is the NFS server)? 
2) Can it cause the system to hang?
3) If you experienced the same problem, what would be the best solution?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Duke-The (scsi) Terminator, ddt@mdi.gwinnett.com (Dusit Tansathein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Printing to a serial postscript printer hangs printer.
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:11:26 GMT


	I have a xyplex terminal server on the network.  Xyplex
	provides a printer of.

	The print to the ASCII printer has always worked.  

	When I send postscript, the "busy light" comes on and stays
	on.  Also, there are 2 ways to do it. "By hand" to the filter,
	and lpr.

	Doing it by hand prints successfully, but the light continues
	to flash.  using lpr gives no printout, and hangs the printer
	for a power-down reset.

	I believe at least that there is some kind of bogus character
	there.

	It was suggested that I put a cntrl D as the last character
	in the file.  This made no difference.

	Any ideas?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
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From: mosemann@unlinfo.unl.edu (Russell Mosemann)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Anyone have the terminfo entries for vt3xx and vt4xx?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 01:46:10 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mosemann@unl.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Summary: Anyone have the terminfo entries for vt3xx and vt4xx?
Keywords: terminfo vt300 vt400

   I'm looking for the terminfo entries for the vt3xx and vt4xx
terminals?  These are for a Sun running SunOS 4.1.3.  Source or binaries
would be fine.
--
Russell
mosemann@unl.edu
From: johnf@scd.hp.com (John Flowers)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Shell selection comments?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 16:35:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpscle.scd.hp.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I am posting this for a friend, please feel free to email me regarding this
request.


>OK.  I need your help.
>
>Since you seem to have easier access to the newsgroups, do you know of any
>conversion/document which describes the benefits/features/drawbacks of the
>various shells available?  I have recently obtained zsh and tcsh, but before
>I make either of these available, I'd like to know what else is out there.
>Specifically, I'd like to know about ksh (Korn shell) verses the others.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>

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From: lhjensen@fish.Princeton.EDU (Leif Jensen)
Subject: Re: tset when term=vt300? (rephrased repost)
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: tset unknown default vt100 noglob
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.231204.4157@unlinfo.unl.edu> mosemann@unl.edu writes:
>set noglob
>eval `tset -sQ`
>set glob

This has come up before.  In csh, the statement "set noglob" actually
creates a shell variable named "noglob".  Before the shell expands *
and ?, etc., it checks whether "noglob" is in the variable table.  If
it is then it leaves * and company alone, otherwise it performs
globbing as usual.  Therefore the command that undoes "set noglob" is
"unset noglob", which removes the variable "noglob" from the shell's
table.  The command "set glob" will create a new variable named "glob",
which has absolutly no effect on anything relevant, including
globbing.  If you put the quoted lines in your .login, you will be
frustrated when things like "ls *.c" fail to work as expected.

Presumably our experiences with English and certain vi conventions make
this difficult to remember, but it is not really very tricky.

--
Leif Jensen
lhjensen@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: dhami@cs.ubc.ca (Mandeep S Dhami)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: How do you set a variable from inside a function?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 22:50:01 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.cs.ubc.ca
Keywords: variable ksh function

rodkey@westmont.EDU (John Rodkey) writes:
>
>		eval "$2='""$junk""'"
> 

This will cause a problem with unbalanced "'"s if $junk contains any "'".
(I do not have ksh, but with sh I DO NOT get 's ...' not found as there
 is no command to find unless you use "`" instead of "'" in $junk.)

In any case the following may help,
eval "$2=\$junk". As in (for sh):
$ x=name
$ y="aaa'bbb"
$ eval "$x=\$y" # Here $y is substituted by eval, so no further interpretation.
$ echo $name
aaa'bbb

Mandeep.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Subject: ls Command for MS-DOS
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:39:19 GMT


is there any place I can find the Unix ls command as an executable binary
to run in MS-DOS.  I have found other unix commands in various places and would
like to be able to have that functionality in DOS.  I wrote an awk script,
once, to attempt to do that, but the results weren't satisfactory because
the output of the  DIR  command in DOS is so variable that things were always
ending up in the wrong fields.  Any help is appreciated and the results will
be posted.  Also, I do not have a C compiler, handy, at this time, so I
must take the lazy route and use a binary executable.  Thank you.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ   Stillwater, OK
O.S.U. Computer Center Data Communications Group
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: codelli@cyclone.mitre.org (David K. Codelli)
Subject: Manipulating strings in batch file
Summary: How to get one string from input parameter
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:25:31 GMT

I am writing a batch file that runs awk on a file that has a name of the form:

prefix.input

I want to write the output to a file of the form

prefix.output

(Prefix is variable)  How can I screen off the prefix in my batch file?

i.e.

#!/bin/sh
inputfilename=$1
outputfilname= <take output suffix and add "output">
awk ... > outputfilename

Thanks!

-- 
David K. Codelli            The opinions stated here are mine
The MITRE Corporation       only, and not necesssarily those 
dcodelli@mitre.org	    of my employer.