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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 12:27:33 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Money for Croatian Children
 <1992Apr2.085155.10599@husc3.harvard.edu>
 <92094.122632BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
 <1992Apr5.195554.10727@husc3.harvard.edu>

In article <1992Apr5.195554.10727@husc3.harvard.edu>, stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu
(Milan Stojanovic) says:
>
>In article <92094.122632BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
>(Tomislav Grgic) writes:
>>..................... then your perception of Croats being
>>collective fools of your calibre is flawed and incorrect.
>>
>>Thank You,
>>
>>Tomislav Grgic
>>BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
>
>Grgo,

Stojanko,

>Let me teach you something.

I'm allways open to learning, but there's nothing that qualifies in your post.

>If you want to send a hate mail

It's *not* hate mail - the only line that seems to have offended you is
the one you published above.

>and try to call someone a fool,

My success at doing so was to be based on your grasping of my presented
arguements. You deleted the portion prior to what you did leave - I specified
something to the order of 'IF you think we're going to just sit
back and be attacked from the air, land & sea THEN ...'

>you do not want everyone to see how impolite or without any argument you are,

I though it was a rather polite accusation. And I WAS NOT WITHOUT ARGUEMENT -
you once again deleted the arguements I did present prior to my closing
statement trying to make all believe that I did in fact not have arguements.
How come you don't address the arguments that were there, or are you trying
to make them seem invisible, hope they'll go away so that you can attack
those issues which pain you personally most?

>do you?Well, you can avoid that by pressing r or R next time instead of f or Fr
>
>Regards,
>Milan N. Stojanovic

Please read my postings more closely next time, my statement on foolishness
was conditional - only valid if you believe Croats to be collective fools -
Do you admit to that much? From your response, I'd say yes.

As is usual, we've left the semi-scholarly arena and entered the mud-slinging
arena by avoiding the issue.

Exactingly yours,

Tomislav Grgic
BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
-------------------------------------------------
"Nedamo ni jedan pedalj hrvatske zemlje."
-------------------------------------------------
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Fashism in Serbia (english version)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:33:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16526
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr5.163223.2342@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:

>Nik, what one man says is not the truth.  My Croatian is not that great, but
>as far as I can tell there is self criticism in Croatia by such newspapers
>as Slobodna Dalmacija.  Since you have embarked on one of those "we are better
>than them" missions, I might as well respond that Croatian 'fascism' compares
>quite favourably to Serbian 'democracy' when one looks at what has happened
>in Croatia, as documented by Amnesty International and such groups.


without getting into any discussion of AI report, I would like
to ask you again : "Why don't Croat protest against their anti-democratic
elements?" (for there are many, from extreme left to extreme right)

About protest in SD, that's BS.


>Regards,
>
>Joe Blazic
>blazic@ecf.toronto.edu


nik
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: world
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 13:24:52 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Tomislav Grgic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: YPA attacks on Medjugorje, Siroki Brijeg, Grude, Mostar, Kupres,


It is obvious things are about to get very violent and out-of-hand in
Bosnia & Hercegovina.

It is also obvious that the Serbian controlled YPA has given itself a
mandate to destroy everything that is not Serbian.

Hundreds of Croats and Muslims were killed in Kupres the other day.
Today, Medjugorje was bombed, as was Siroki Brijeg, Grude and Citluk just
to name a few. They are all predominantly Croat centres. Grude is the most
ethnically pure Croatian town with something to the order of 99.3% Croats.
And it was bombed - where is the justification - I am keen on hearing it.

Along with attacks on Mostar, Bosanski Brod, Foca and Sarajevo, and dozens of
other centres, there is no way anybody can justify this deliberate aggression
on the behalf of the YPA.

I have just heard that Sarajevo is turning into a real war zone - it would
surprise me if the Yugo-army gives it the same fate as 'liberated' Vukovar.
Having been in contact with SDA representatives in Sarajevo (not via normal
phone lines), they told me of 12,000 Serbian militia men entering the city.

Sarajevo is a beautiful city, it's too bad it's going to be destroyed, along
with dozens of other towns and villages, all for the 'liberation' of Bosnia.

I've just heard General Zivota Panic of the YPA announce how they don't
plan to pull out of Bosnia-Hercegovina for another 5-7 years.

Lovely. Just lovely.

Regards,

Tomislav Grgic
BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic)
Subject: Lipicaners (and definetly not-> Re: Money for Croatian Children)
Organization: TIK, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:07:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.134558.10770@husc3.harvard.edu>
benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>
>Excuse me, but the last time I checked the town of Lipica was still in 
>Slovenia!  Now, Lipicaners are bred exclusively in Lipica.  So, no Croat
>(or Serb, or Montenegrin . . .) can babble on this newsgroup about
>"saving the Lipicaners."  Like the rest of Slovenia, the town of
>Lipica is perfectly peaceful.      

As far as I know "Wiener Reitschule", that institution that made
the Lipicaners so famous, have their own breeding places outside
Slovenia. Horses (and cows and dogs) are not like wines so that
they are bound to a place. The Newfoundlander must not be bred 
in Newfoundland and the Lipicaners can be bred anywhere. 

Anybody knows the importance of the "horse industry" in Lipica?

Srdjan Mitrovic
From: cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: evo shale ba., on serbo-croatian
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:31:20 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.231927.26340@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:

>please sources? I mean you state things as they are absolute truth,
>I just wonder where the info is comming from, you know there are too many
>truths comming from B&H these days, ranging from "thousands HOS guys are
>armed in Sarajevo" up to "thousand Sheshelj guys are armed in Sarajevo".

and

>the remark was written beofre Bjeljina case, and it did not reffer to
>Bjeljina specioficly, but to B&H in general. If you denie any involment and
>faults in B&H comming from CRO population and/or CRO gov'/"volunteers(HOS)
>then I have to conclude that you are very biased.

and

>BTW (again) how do you know that people killed are "Mujo i Haso"?
>do "Arkan guys" first check the nationality and then shoot?
>I wonder.....
>(that is if we accept the "truth" you wrote that it happened)

...and the same story of relativisation of very specific crimes and long
intended and planned atrocities is continuing.  If the whole world is
condemning Serbia, if there is the fact of sanctions against only one 
side in Yugo-drama, there is clear understanding that events in Bosnia are
just a part of foreseenable scenery.  All we from former Yugoslavia have
been aware what is going on from "8. sjednica", all atrocities are designed
in "Memorandum SANU".  No facts about Croatian defense reaction can justify
planned and politically designed crimes.   There may be only excuse for
your personal conscience in that.  But, there is no any equality in it.

It is really pointless discuss the questions "who", "whom" and other with
you, in situation when all my family is scattered around Bosnia.  Currently,
I am awaiting the news, every day I am happy if my parents, sister, and 
others, are alive.  They know exactly who is attacking them.

I haven't doubt that you know the truth.  It is to obvious.  And this is the
reason I don't want keep discussing with you anymore.  You are suppose to
have some level of ethical dignity contemplating the questions of lives and
deats.  Otherwise, you wouldn't ask in whom Arkan's boys are shooting - in
my family, not in your's.

Srbia will be defeated, as naci-Germany was defeated, not because in Serbia
live Serbs, but because of wrong policy.  And when the bombs will be falling
on Belgrade, I will not triumph.   I will be sad and depressed, as I am now.

Muris
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: News Briefs
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:42:32 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I apologize for the previous article.  I got interrupted by a "talk" request.
So here is the posting the way it was supposed to look like.        

In article <1992Apr14.165815.22798@intellistor.com> robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski) writes:
>Reprinted without permission.
>
>"The Wall Street Journal," Tuesday, April 14, 1992
>
>Fighting erupted in B-H undermining a cease-fire agreement
>between rival ethnic groups and dimming chances of averting
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>all-out civil war in the former Yugoslav republic.
         ^^^^^^^^^

What kind of nonsense is this?  As far as I know, Serbs and Croats are not
"ethnic groups"; they are NATIONS.  Therefore, there can be no "civil war"
going on between them.  When two nations fight each other their conflict
is always referred to as WAR, period.  I mean, seriously!  When the Austrians
and Germans fought each other at the Battle of Sadowa in 1866, nobody 
talked about there being a "civil war" in Central Europe, although the Germans 
and Austrians both speak the same language.  So, please, make sure to
omit words like "civil war" and "ethnic groups" in your future postings.
There is a WAR going on in the Balkans.  Failure to comprehend this is
simply a sign of incredible ignorance and obtuseness.

Regards,

Andrej
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:32:11 GMT

Re. "Staunch nationalists"; speak for yourself.

/Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: scm@cs.brown.edu (Stanislav Markovic)
Subject: Re: Watch out! Andrej is coming. Was: (Re: Croatian postage stamps)
Organization: Brown University, Department of Computer Science
	<1992Apr13.235814.11063@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Apr14.194026.7882@eng.cam.ac.uk>
	<1992Apr15.035620.11115@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Apr16.154033.7136@eng.cam.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:32:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.154033.7136@eng.cam.ac.uk> 89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (M. Sablic) writes:

> Shape of things to come ( courtesy of ANDREJ-VISION ):
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> STA newsflash: Slovene's have come to the aid of their brothers in REKA!
>                President Andrej says: "We must stop the fascist genocide of
>                                        our brothers in the Slovene lands!" 
> 
> HINA newsflash: Slovene elite airforce units attack positions above Rijeka!
>                 Slovene's take Grobnik airfield. 
>                 President Njofra says: "It is a classic case of agression!
>                                         The whole of Croatian Nation will
>                                         defend every sq. centimetre of Istria"
> 
> Reuter newsflesh: There is renewed fighting in ex-Yugoslavia between the rival
>                   ethnic groups.
>                   EC says: "Violence is no solution, the parties should
>                             respect the ceasefire agreement." 
>                                            
> 
> 
> ==============================================================================
>                   O  
>          Ljubljana                                     
>             SLOVENIA             CROATIA
>     __O_
> Trst   |                                     X- Marks the position of Slovene
>       /    Istra           X                    Attack
>      /               Rijeka
>      \     # # #      _O_         
>       \     # #      /   -----_____ 
>        \   # # #    /         
>         \   # #    /  
>          \ # # #  /   
>   ----    \      /    ----
>     --     \    /    --- 
>  ---        O  /       -----
>        Pula  --
>        
>       |  
>   \   |  H
>    \  |==== 
>     \ ||  |    STA: Slovene Fishermen Say: "We must protect our fish from
>   |--------?                                Croatian fascist fisho-cide!"
>   \       / 
> ----------------
>   ----   ------
>  ------------
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> --
> Mladen Sablic, Pembroke College, Cambridge University, UK.
> e_mail: ms145@phx.cam.ac.uk (JANET: ms145@uk.ac.cam.phx)
>         89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (JANET: 89ms1@uk.ac.cam.eng) (Rx only)
> --

This is my favorite posting of the week in scy.

Stanislav
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Watch out! Andrej is coming. Was: (Re: Croatian postage stamps)
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:56:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr16.214124.11200@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>Evo, za tvoju informaciju, nekoliko programskih
>nacela Slovenske nacionalne stranke (SNS):
>
>-Vratiti Sloveniji Istru koju je Kardelj poklonio Hrvatima
>-Srbi koji su ostali u Sloveniji moraju da se deklarisu kao Slovenci
>-Za dobijanje slovenackog drzavljanstva bilo bi potrebno 20 godina 
> boravka u Sloveniji, poznavanje slovenackog jezika, ekonomska uredjenost
> i proklamacija za Slovenca
>-Da se socijalna prava obezbede samo Slovencima i slovenackim drzavljanima
>-Slovenci moraju imati prednost prilikom zaposljavanja
>-U stranku SNS pristupuju samo genetski sigurni Slovenci
>
>Znam da istina boli, ali, jebiga, cinjenice su cinjenice.
>
>Pozdrav,
>
>Andrej


a ja mislio samo oni "damn barbaric Serbs" imaju ovake idijote...



Nik
--
Subject: Prvaci Evrope - Partizan, Beograd, Srbija
.
.
.
Veceras je veliko vece ! Veceras se titula evropskog prvaka u kosarci
preselila u Beograd !!!!!!!!

U finalu kupa evro-sampiona, na turniru final-four u Istanbulu:

PARTIZAN - Juventud ( Badalona )  71:70

Ono sto je najlepse od svega:

Deset sekundi pre kraja Spanci povedu sa 70:68, Sasa Djordjevic uzima loptu,
prelazi ceo teren, i iz punog trka naskace ispred linije 6,25 i ... pravi
istoriju. Lopta se zakoprcala, i onda prosla. 
.
.
.
Evo imena kojih mogu da se setim (fali jedan):

Djordjevic
Danilovic
Stevanovic
Dragutinovic
Silobad
Koprivica
Nakic
Loncar
Rebraca

Da li ste culi za vecinu ovih momaka ranije ? To su prvaci Evrope.

Trener: Zeljko Obradovic ( prva trenerska sezona )
Savetnik: Dr Aca Nikolic ( citaj 'mozak ekipe' )
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:18:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.025840.13893@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>
>I think it goes without saying that the sooner the Yugoslav Army dies, the 
>sooner there will be peace.

BINGO!!!!

Andrej

PS: Of course, all the weapons should go with it to the grave.
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: THE CONCERT OF DUBRAVKA TOMSIC (PERSONAL IMPRESSIONS)
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:12:34 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr12.115540.10992@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>Andrej, this was an excellent one. 
>BTW, are the girls good looking, and 
>do you need help?
>
>Milan


Dragi Milane!


Bas mi je drago sto ti se svidjao moj clanak o koncertu Dubravke Tomsic!

Naravno, djevojke izgledaju ko Bog!  

A sto se tice pomoci . . . khm . . . ovaj, kako da kazem, hocu 
reci . . . to jest, mislio sam da vec imas "skvo" u svom "vigvamu"!  

Ali sta ja znam!  Pa mozda je poglavica Milan iz plemena Mormona!  Ha, ha, ha!

E, u tom slucaju, Milane, bratski cemo podeliti moje zgodne prijateljice!


Pozdrav,

Andrej


                     ZA DOMOVINU S TITOM NAPRIJED!
From: 89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (M. Sablic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:11:49 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.163846.2593@eng.cam.ac.uk> 89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (M. Sablic) writes:
>>benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>->
>->
>->->	HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS NEWSGROUP?
>->
>->->	FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THE READERSHIP IS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED
>->->	TO THE OLD GANG OF:  NIKOLA, MILAN, JOE, ANDREJ, ANDREJ,
>->->	GRGA, VICTOR, LABROS, AND SHARON.
>->
>->->	AM I RIGHT?
>->
>->You forgot me. SCY is also distributed in Europe via a mailing list.
>->List is much larger, most people have stopped contributing by now.
>->It takes too much effort to be constructive, and most people do
>->not have the energy or time for the kind of stuff that you and Nikola
>->waste bandwidth with.
>->
>->Mladen


>Well Mladen, congratulation, you are the first person to
>condem posting about what SCY was supposed to be in the first place -
>the exchange of CULTURE - that includes every aspect that one
>culture is based on - your idea seems to be "talk about politics only"
>and an attempt to bring some fun,joy,songs, stories regarding our
>inheritage, etc... is now officially condemed by you.

>again, congratulation,


>fatefully yours,


>Nik

It is not the culture part I am against of, it is the lack of it...

Regards,

Mladen
--
Mladen Sablic, Pembroke College, Cambridge University, UK.
e_mail: ms145@phx.cam.ac.uk (JANET: ms145@uk.ac.cam.phx)
        89ms1@eng.cam.ac.uk (JANET: 89ms1@uk.ac.cam.eng) (Rx only)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: A SERIOUS QUESTION!
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:06:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Yes, this posting is a serious one, for a difference!

I am just wondering, how many of the people who actually read this
newsgroup and who are scattered in universities throughout North America
and Europe actually plan on returning back to ex-Yugoslavia.

Sometimes, when I read heated debates between different contributors
to "soc.culture.yugoslavia" I get this strange feeling that we are
all basically wasting our time with trying to "solve" the problems and
issues on which we actually have no influence whatsoever.  As an undergraduate
I sometimes wonder about what the future holds for me.  I usually appear 
in the role of a blood-thirsty nationalist on this newsgroup,
but the fact of the matter is that I really don't know where am I
going to be, say, five years from now.  My friends from Slovenia keep
telling me that all the smart people are fleeing en masse from my
homeland, even though our country is at peace with its neighbours.
The economic conditions suck, they say.  The political impasse between
the different Slovene parties seems complete and unresolvable.  All in all, the
situation is pretty depressing.

So, what do you guys think?  Is anyone actually planning to return?  Or,
are we all fated to stay abroad and continue blasting each other away on this
newsgroup out of homesickness and frustration?

Regards,

Andrej
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: LOST ILLUSIONS . . .
Keywords: And I thought I was the worst of them all . . .
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:49:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


For quite some time now I thought I was as militant and fanatic as a 
nationalist can possibly be.  How little did I know!  I just read
an excerpt from "Slovenska Drzava" ("The Slovene State"), an emigree
Slovene newspaper, and, I must confess, I've been left speechless.
The editorial I read was dedicated to the international recognition of Slovenia
on January 15.  First, I'll retype the original Slovene text, and then
I'll try to translate it.  Here we go:


O, Bog, ki si mi dal zivljenje in docakati svobodno Slovenijo, hvala Ti! . . .
Tisoc tristo let smo cakali na ta dan.  Nasa molitev je bila uslisana--vrata
svobode so odprta.  Temni in tezki casi daljnih stoletij so presli v svetlo
luc danasnjih dni.  Sonce sije in obseva vso naso svobodno Slovenijo, od
visokih gora do sinjega morja, preko travnikov in livad, nasih mest in vasi.
Tisocera bozja znamenja Ti klicejo:  Bogu hvala! . . .  Nenadoma se je blesteca
svetloba iz sinjih visav razlila cez nas.  Kdo je bolj srecen in hvalezen kot
mi, Tvoji otroci. . . .  Ti si bil vedno tisti, ki si nam pomagal v vseh
casih.  Tudi sedaj gledas na nas in hvala Ti. . . .  Pokleknil bi ob teh
zarecih, zlatih barvah.  Bolj ko gledam, vse je lepse.  Skozi solzne oci je
videti vse v diamantih. . . .  Novi dan se je rodil, nov dan za nas Slovence.
Kamorkoli seze pogled, vse blesci, usta so nema od lepote, srce vriska in     
poje . . . .


Oh, God, You who gave me life and allowed me to see a free Slovenia, thank You!
We were waiting for this day for one thousand and three hundred years.  Our
prayer has been heard--the doors of freedom are open.  The dark and hard
times of past centuries have been transformed into the bright light of today.
The bright sun is shinning upon all of our free Slovenia, from high mountains
to the blue sea, over the fields and pastures, our cities and villages.  
Thousands of holy signs cry out to You:  Thanks be to God! . . . .  Suddenly,
the bright light of blue heavens has spilled over us.  Who is more happy
and thankful than us, Your children. . . .  You were always on our side, 
throughout the ages.  And today You are gazing at us again and we thank You     
for that. . . .  I feel like kneeling down in the face of these bright, golden
colors.  The more I look, the more beautiful everything seems to me.  Through
teary eyes everything looks diamond-like. . . .  A new day has been born, a
new day for us, the Slovenes.  Wherever one looks, everything shines; the 
mouth is left speechless by this beauty; the heart screams in joy and sings . .


I mean, this is just simply incredible!  Even I couldn't come up with something
like this!  But then, I've been away from Slovenia for only twelve years,
whereas the guy who wrote this editorial has been most probably abroad for at
least three decades. . . . 

Regards,

Andrej
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski)
Subject: News Briefs
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:37:54 GMT

Reprinted without permission.

"The Wall Street Journal," Thursday, April 9, 1992

The Yugoslav army claimed it regained control of the town
of Kupres from Croat forces in Bosnia-Herzegovina and
launched more air strikes in the newly independent state.
The leaders of Bosnia declared a state of emergency and
said "war is imminent."
--
Robert Gerovski