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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:23:12 GMT

In <PSM.93Jan4163102@soupfin.cs.indiana.edu> psm@cs.indiana.edu (Paul S. Miner) writes:

>>Tell me WHY a 2-loss Indiana team is rated above BOTH North Carolina and
>>Kansas???  ESPECIALLY since KU beat them out there?  I think Kansas got 
>>unfairly hammered by the CNN/USAT poll...

>Probably because the votes were cast prior to the game between Kentucky and
>Indiana. 

I can't imagine that's right.  Without a win against Indiana, and with 
Michigan beating two top teams, why would Kentucky move to #2?

Both of Indiana's losses were against the #2 team at the time.  Not trying
to justify the ranking, but I'd personally have a real tough time trying
to rank KU, UNC, and IU.

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:21:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <C0EKyA.J8t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>[Kentucky-Indiana fouling commentary deleted]
>
>   Geez, with all the crying about the officiating, you'd think this
>was Rupp Arena (where there is booing about _every_ call that goes
>against UK, no matter what it was, or whether the fans booing were
>actually even watching the play).  If you guys get to gripe, then we
>get the win.

Well, they are starting to call Freedom Hall Rupp Arena West (Pitino
has, anyway).   :-)

The above commentary makes me wonder whether you have ever even seen
a game in Rupp Arena.  It has one of the most basketball-knowledgeable
crowds you'll find anywhere.

You'll see loads of fouls committed by UK players which aren't booed.
You'll also frequently hear gasps made by the crowd when UK players
commit fouls which aren't seen or called by the referees.

Indiana gets the win only when their team beats than ours. Not until.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Virginia under, FSU over.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:07:15 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 18072@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Rated that is.  After last night's victory over Florida State,
>I really can't believe that these guys started the season in
>the top 10.  I think that Virginia belongs in the top 25, but
>nothing better than #20.  Right now, I don't think FSU should
>be in the top 25 at all until they prove themselves.  Many
>people have told me that FSU was ranked high because of how
>they were expected to do when Charlie Ward arrived.  Well guess
>what?  He was there last night.  I just don't buy it.  As far
>as I am concerned a team has to win to earn their ranking, and
>thus FSU should be gone from the top 25 until they perform on
>that expected level.  Jeez they sound just like Notre Dame in
>football, when they are ranked for that reason. :)  I had to
>slip that in.
>
>Bill


True, they don't deserve to be ranked NOW based on performance.  
But they DID deserve the top 10 preseason ranking.  They had
EVERYONE coming back from a sweet 16 team (except for Ward who
has been busy with football).  Now from that team, FSU lost 2
starters/key players for the season with broken bones and of
course has been playing without Ward.  So the POTENTIAL was 
there in preseason, but with injuries and Ward missing it
hasn't developed yet.  If Charlie Ward can get back to his
form of last season, don't count the Seminoles out this year!
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Request:  ACC Update:  Fill a Void
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:36:45 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


	Well, last night the ACC season started with Georgia Tech visiting 
Maryland, and we *still* don't have anyone who has volunteered to give the 
net regular ACC updates.  It's pretty easy, really; all you have to do is type
in game summaries (no boxes necessary), conference standings and the upcoming
schedule two or three times a week.  In return, you get the adulation of the
net and the undying gratitude of expatriate alums all across the country.  So,
if you can read and type, and have an insatiable need for the approval of
strangers (why else would anyone post?), then this job's for you!  Come on,
if I could do it, if Ronnie W. Smith could do it, then anyone can do it!
Step right up!

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Missouri Valley - MidCon - Midwest, UW-Milwaukee in particular
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:42:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan7.141706.8735@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>
>UW-Milwaukee beats Western Ill  76 - 67 at WIU. I expected a big blowout.
>UW-M is now 12 - 1.
   
   Unfortunately, the UWM players also expected this I think. WIU came to
   play, while UWM pretty much went through the motions. Three years ago
   when UWM was Division II and losing to teams like IUPUI I never thought
   I'd say this, but UWM's talent carried them through this game. With the
   score tied late (at about 60) UWM sank 3's on three straight possessions
   to take a seven point lead.  
   
   UWM has another game it should win easily Saturday at New Hampshire, but
   this isn't a deep team and with the injury to sophomore center Eugene
   Sims, isn't a good rebounding team. UWM really can't afford to rest against
   any teams with its lack of quality depth.

   --salty

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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Now I know why they make fun of Purdue
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:07:45 GMT


Glenn Robinson will never be a big-time player until he learns that it's
the 90s and he has to wear shorter socks.  What's next, an Afro?
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Re: Duke-Tech game
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:32:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210625.12784@oracle.us.oracle.com> mpollak@oracle.uucp (Maximilian Pollak) writes:
>I would be extremely surprised if GT won.  Year in and year out, it seems
>that the Yellow Jackets fall to the Devils.  I can't remember the last
>time GT beat Duke.  Was it four years ago?


How memories grow short...1990 comes to mind...certainly the ACC Finals.




Curtis Hill
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: RPI...PLEEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:25:08 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan10.175936.971@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>i've posted this question a couple of times, i've never gotten
>an answer.  maybe i've missed it.  if not, then it's going to
>go down in history as one of the great unsolved mysteries...

	Well, I've checked in the 200+ postings following, so I'll answer,

>1) What does "RPI" mean?

	Well, here I'm not too sure; for one, I know it's the abbreviation for
Rensellaer (sp?) Polytechnic Institute in Troy. NY.  It may be that these 
ratings are in some way connected with that fine center for geekiness, in much
the same way that Sagarin's ratings are somehow connected to MIT.

>2) How is it calculated?

	Well, it's the weighted average of three values.  Those three values are

1) Team winning percentage.

2) Composite winning percentage of all opponents, excluding games with Team.

3) Composite winning percentage of all opponents' opponents, excluding games
with Team, and perhaps game with Opponent; I'm not too sure about this.

	These are combined as 0.2*[1] + 0.4*[2] + 0.4*[3].

>don wedding
>
>p.s.
>
>go cats!!!!!!

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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Organization: Bell Communications Research
	<1993Jan7.132927.27088@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:11:34


Sid Kitchel writes:

> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
> 
> >In article <C0GKn4.5y2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
> >>If the IU cooks could make better chili, they might be 
> >>able to hang onto those Cincinatti kids!
> 
> >   Hey, I've had the chili.  It's really pretty good.  Of course I've
> >never had Gold Star Chili, so maybe they miss that.
> 
> 	Yes, yes, it does have a unique taste. But it AIN'T chili. It
> is made by greeks or yugoslavs in Cincinnati, who do not put any chili
> powder in at all. It is not spicy hot and any self-respectin'
> Southwesterner would rather spit it out than eat it!!

Allright.  Having grown up in the Queen City, I can not sit idly by and
allow the traditions I hold so dear to be ridiculed like this.  Cincinnati
chili is different from Texas chili, but it's chili nonetheless.  And it's
mostly made by high school kids, of many different origins (the ethnic
heritage of Cincinnati is mostly German, not Greek or Slavic).  What goes
into the mix is highly secret.

Real Cincinnati chili can only be found at Skyline restraunts.  Gold Star
chili is also pretty close.  Everything else is just a copout.  While at
Ohio State, they'd have Cincinnati chili night at the commons, and I'll be
damned if they served us anything resembling what I grew up on.


> 	For the record, there was a Cincinnati "chili" parlor in
> Bloomington for a while. But it quickly failed in the face of our
> thousands of pizza and chinese joints.

If it wasn't Skyline or Gold Star, you didn't get the real thing and so it's
not fair.  If it was one of the signature chains, it just goes to show what
hicks Hoosiers really are - not being able to appreciate the finer
things in life :-).


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From: kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson)
Subject: Re: Request:  ACC Update:  Fill a Void
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:50:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.211615.9193@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

>Um, I *would* be happy to post an ACC update for the net. However, the only
>source of ACC scores, boxes, game summaries that I can get my hands on is
>the local (so-called) newspaper (the Tallahassee Democrat). The free sports
>info newspaper, the Osceola, that I normally get my stats and stuff from
>does not give a full-scale overview of the ACC. My problem is this: I'm
>broke, and I will not shell out the money to get myself a subscription to
>the Democrat.  Now, if there is someone out there willing to send me the
>cash to pay for this, I would be happy to do the work of putting together an
>ACC weekly wrap up for the net...otherwise, I guess it will have to fall on
>someone else's shoulders.

Seriously, I don't mind being one of several people who contribute to such a
cause if no one else can do it -- anything to get better coverage of the ACC
than I can get from the San Jose Murky News (neither boxscore nor story about
UVA vs. FSU Wed night, grrrr).  If it's really $20 for the remainder of the
season, and that's really a burden for you, I'll be one of 4 people to send
you $5 if you can find other suckers :) and you do even half as good a job as
Ronnie (?) did last year.

Kevin Thompson
Wahoo '86
Wow!  8-0!!


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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Purdue Scoring
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 11:38:15 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan08.153813.26475@rchland.ibm.com> kmill@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Any boilermaker fans know how many points & assists Matt Painter has in last nights game?
>Thanks in advance.
>

I wouldn't say I'm a fan but I read:
 
Painter  33 MIN  4-10 FG  5-7 FT  5 RBS  3 ASSTS  13 PTS
 
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA/Arizona
Keywords: Quick summary
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:34:18 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <57525@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> Well the 2 teams playing the best ball in the Pac-10 met in Pauley last
> night and Arizona prevailed 82-80 in a game UCLA had no business being
> close in. I don't have the boxscore but they missed so many freethrows
> last night 

 Arizona was actually worse from the line I believe. Both teams sucked
at freethrows. Olson blames the 2-week delay in starting the season
and says that it forces coaches to focus on other things and gives
less time for the seeming trivial aspects of the game like FT shooting.
I may be wrong but isn't the team avg. for FT pct down across the country?

> I wouldn't really want to know the exact total, add to that
> the inability to keep Arizona off the offensive glass, all the turnovers,
> and a terrific game from penetrator deluxe Damon Stoudamire and you get
> an Arizona win.

Damon was great on this trip. He had 11 assists and no turnovers against
UCLA and 10 assists and 1 turnover against USC. Can't argue with those
numbers...

> The big play was at 80-80 with about 20 seconds left, Stokes missed a
> freethrow but Owes got the bound and ended up getting fouled after a feed
> from Stoudamire(who else) and hit 2 freethrows, 

 Funny thing was - Owes is something like a 45% FT shooter. I was about to
cry in my beer when I saw that it was him and not Mills who was fouled...

> O'Bannon was brilliant at times with I think 29 points including a huge
> 3 to pull us back in the game, and numerous acrobatic moves inside to score.

 Let's not forget Chris Mills who it seems is laying an early claim for POTY
in the Pac-10. He really seems to be determined to shake the bad rep that has
been hung on him for past seasons... we'll see...


			gln
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 10:53:18 MST
From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: WAC Powers


In article <29259@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <5JAN199318591177@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP) writes:
>Bo
>Hmmm.. excuse me but isn't this the same BYU that lost to OSU and Oregon???
>I may very well have misread the scores but if this is the case then I think
>you might want to rethink your analysis. OSU and UO have been anything but 
>strong thus far and are not expected to be contenders for the pac-10 crown - ok
>so maybbe OSU is but they sure haven't shown it.....
>
>
Yeah, you're right.  But consider that BYU had played 5 games in 8 days (remember
their first three against Oklahoma, Memphis State, and Duke).  Also consider
that in two weeks time they had taken finals (little practice), flown to Mauii (no
practice), flown home for Xmas (no practice), and finally flown to Oregon.

They went 2 weeks with NO practices (said Roger Reid) and logged thousands of travel
miles.  So they were worn out and got beat.  Not to take too much away from OSU
and Oregon, but it WAS a factor.

Steve
From: rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Oklahoma Game Summary
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:14:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Post Software International, Wake Forest, NC

In article <1993Jan7.153420.8799@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day) writes:
  
> The last home non-conf loss was January 12, 1983, and Duke's next
> home non-conf game is January 16 against Iowa.  Call it a decade.
  
Ack!  I can remember that loss like it was almost yesterday.  Sure
makes one feel old!
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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:52:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan11.012510.12394@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>hurt. God why is it that Duke gets so many calls their way. It's crazy
>when you look at how many foul shots they took compared to Tech. Is it
>because of their agressive offense or what?

Well, in this game in particular, Duke had so many free throws
(especially in the first half) because every time they had an inside
shot, Tech elected to foul them and make them earn their points from the
line.  Good strategy considering Duke players haven't exactly been
burning it up from the line recently.  Unfortunately for them (luckily
for us) several days of intense free-throw practice seem to have paid
off, particularly for Grant Hill.  Duke's opponents generally don't
shoot as many free throws because the thin Duke front line is coached
not to foul on interior shots, reasoning that a few misses from the line
doesn't outweigh putting any of the four front-liners on the bench with
foul problems.  Plus, Dukies generally don't go for the steal on the
dribble, thus avoiding reach-in fouls.  I'd guess more than 90% of
Duke's steals come by way of intercepted passes, where you're not nearly
as likely to get called for a foul.

>
>This was a classic ACC game, and it was fun to watch. The one thing that
>pissed me off was the foul they gave to Mackey on that screen. Hey, that
>was no foul. Hurley ran into Mackey, plain and simple. I'm starting to
>think these media darlings get special treatment. <g>

Okay dude, next time we're on the playground, and I'm setting a pick and
as you come by I deliver a forearm to your head, just remember that was
no foul.
>
>Mike Dunnagan ---

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:54:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223009.2145@news.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George  
W. Harris) writes:

> 	What's the matter, still bitter over the drubbing Duke gave Iowa in 
> the tourney a couple of years back?

You mean the past TWO years, George!

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From: mkain@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Mike Kain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: U. of Delaware
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:13:14 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin Engineering Offices

In article <1419@netxcom.netx.com> bkerbel@netxcom.netx.com (BKerbel) writes:
>Is there anybody out there who knows how U. of Delaware is doing
>so far this year?  I know they made the tournament last year.  What
>are their prospects for 92-93?  What do people think of the new
>baketball arena?  How many people does it hold?
>

Me thinks that the last time I saw the paper, that UD was about 6-1.  They
polished Navy off last night at Bob Carpenter (the new one)... 78-51???
They should make the tournament again this year from the Not Athletic
Conference (or should that be North Atlantic Conference).  They should do
well this year and put up another 25 or 26 win season.  

About the new Bob Carpenter arena:  I think it holds about 6,000 people.
I haven't been in it, but saw it from the outside at Homecoming.  It looks
pretty nice.  They've also been holding a few concerts there (Bob Dylan
I think opened it)....

Well, that's all I know.  I'm a UD alum, and I only get down to school
about two or three times a year.  Maybe someone from UD could give you
a better idea....

GO INDIANA!!

And I guess I have to add now:

GO FIGHTING BLUE HENS!!!!!

Mike Kain '86

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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Any news on Notre Dame basketball?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 07:14:17 GMT


Can anyone post the ND basketball schedule (back to beginning
of season - and wins/loses/scores if possible)???
Both men's and women's would be nice.
How are the teams doing?  Why is it so hard to find out?
Sure they're not ranked (I assume), but with all the posts here
about powers such as Augustana, Chicago State, South West Eastern State U.
etc., why the total blackout on ND? Even when I saw games listed against
New Orleans in the Sugar Bowl tourney, U.S.C. and Xavier in the paper,
I have not been able to find game results anywhere!
Help!!!
Are the women playing Stanford this year?


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