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From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Apology
Organization: not much...
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:45:30 GMT

You do not owe anyone an apology; we owe you one.  Your post was perfectly
appropriate, and the response from Chris Barnes was totally inappropriate. 
It's unfortunate that you felt flamed, when the only person whose feathers
deserved singeing is Chris.

I must confess that the "Dogs Have Souls" article didn't move me the way it
did some others, but it touched many people in this group, and I encourage you
to post the rest.  Anyone who flames you for it is beneath contempt, and if
there are people whose minds are too small to contain more than one point of
view, that shouldn't be your concern.  

If you don't continue posting, you send the Chris Barneses of the world the
message that they can browbeat and intimidate people into submission.  Show
so-called Christians like Chris that a true Christian turns the other
cheek; shows compassion, not contempt, for the feelings and beliefs of others;
and continues to do what he or she knows is right in the face of unjust
persecution.

Thanks for your original post, and may we see more soon.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell)
Subject: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:55:35 GMT

I am new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if I'm posting to the wrong group.

I bought a new puppy (pedigreed tri-color collie) in February.  She just
turned 3 months old.  Last week she was stolen from our yard - the lock was
cut on her pen.  I feared this type of thing happening; therefore the pen and
lock.  The thiefs did not get our 1-year old dog.

Any suggestions on finding our puppy?   I've not yet reported it to local
police, as I doubted they could help.  Any chance that a puppy-stealing ring
could be in existence - and how do I got about finding them out?

Any help would be appreciated.  Please reply to newsgroup.
From: berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:27:39 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

>>Sled dogs, particularly Malamutes, aren't very "people-oriented" dogs --
>>they're dog dogs.  Malamutes bitches were frequently tied out when
>>in heat so as to be impregnated by wolves.
>>
>What?  I'll use your word: "bosh".  Malamutes, when bred and socialized
>PROPERLY are dogs that are "most affectionate towards its master".  It
>seems clear from your comments that you have either never been exposed
>to Malamutes, or you have been exposed to some very poorly bred/raised
>ones.
>
>>>Sheperd-type dogs have a territorial instinct and an instinct to
>>>"protect the flock".  Most northern breeds do not.
>>
>>Bosh.  Sled dogs have territory -- it's wherever they are!  And I don't
>>believe defending territory has anything to do with defense drive.
>>
>Bosh, bosh, bosh.  Sled dogs are NOT protective animals by nature.  Have you
>ever been around sled dogs?  Let me be more specific.  Have you ever been around
>Siberian Huskies or Alaskan Malamutes?  On the average, they are NOT what I
>would call protective.  There are exceptions, of course, but as any breeder
>of these dogs (or in numerous books about these dogs) will tell you, these
>are not guard dogs (or watch dogs or protection dogs or whatever term you
>wish to use).  In fact, in one book about the breed (Mals), it states
>that these dogs are not good watchdogs, as they are likely to greet a burglar
>as eagerly as they greet you.  However, they indicated that the SIZE of the
>dog is often enough to intimidate the uninitiated about the breed.  If you
>want to understand the previous posters comments, pick up a book and read
>about the origins of sled dogs, particularly Malamutes.  Territorial?  Yes,
>but really in conjunction with OTHER DOGS, not people (again, on the average).
>No mean spirited flames intended.  I just get sore when people post
>things about breeds that they clearly know very little about.
>srlee@beta.lanl.gov

I own a Norwegian Elkhound who counts as a sled dog.  He barks at all
strange noises.  So I guess he is a good watchdog.  However, as soon as
someone enters our house he is the friendliest dog there is -- so he is not
a protective dog, not yet anyways. But since people don't know that, and we
don't publish the fact, that he is happy about anybody entering the house, I
think we are ok for now.  :)  he sound pretty ferocious too!!
Heike
From: esclm@warwick.ac.uk (Mrs E Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Queen Elizabeth
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:02:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Apr8.164359.11038@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>In a previous article, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski K-9's)) says:
>
>>
>>Queen Elizabeth was well known for her love of the canine species...
>

I'm sure you are. I don't think Elizabeth the first was known for her dogs,
and Elizabeth the second is quite definately still the Queen.

>I think you may be confusing two queens.  The present Queen is Elizabeth
>and her great interest in dogs seems to be only Pembroke Welsh Corgis (the
>tailless variety).  She is trying to form a new breed by crossing a
>Pembroke with a dachshund.  Her sister Margaret prefers them.
>

She is also Patron of the UK Kennel Club, and Crufts is usually attended by
several members of the Royal Family.

>Queen Victoria on the other hand w
as extremely fond of borzois and collies.

She also had many other breeds and was one of the first owners of the Tibetan
Mastiff in the UK, as was her son Edward VII who owned the famous TM 'Siring'.

>
>Prince Charles prefers hunting dogs -- Harvey is his favorite and is a golden
>lab.  Beautiful animal.
>

Princess Anne has recently acquired a Clumber Spaniel for her daughter Zara. I
believe at their home, these dogs are used as working spaniels although
elsewhere this is quite rare and the working and show strains are quite
different here.

>For further information on British Royalty and dogs, I understand that there
>is book on the subject but I don't know the author or title.  There is
>a company in Oakland, CA called Focus on Royalty that could probably help
>you find it if you are interested.
>
>Hope this helps to satisfy your curiousity.
>
>Evelyn
>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>>Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
>>Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
>>
>--

Liz Bright and the Drokkytshang gang of Bernese and Tibetan Mastiffs
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Any Bedlington Terriers Owners-Breeders
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:19:47 GMT

In article <18170@oasys.dt.navy.mil> 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm interested toknow if anyone has ever owned a Bedlington Terrier
>or knows of any breeders for this rare breed.  I have my second one
>that is 14 years old and may replace her when she passes on.  I know
>Dog World magazine advertises occasionally, but I am curious if anyone
>knows of any breeders.  I'm in the Baltimore, Maryland area, but can
>consider obtaining one from most anywhere.
>
Wendy, have you tried contacting the breed club?  We had very good
luck when we were considering getting a Clumber Spaniel.  I first
called the AKC and got the address of the Spaniel breed club.  Then
found out there was a Clumber club.  I wrote to the secretary and she
provided me with a list of breeders (she even marked up the list to
include those breeders expecting litters).  She also called me to see
if we had any questions and when she found out we'd never seen a
Clumber in person, she sent me a list of club members in our area.  I
called a couple and they all invited us over to see their dogs.  All
the breeders I spoke with (preliminary discussions only) were very
helpful.  You might try this route.

schalene

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cxr5@po.CWRU.Edu (Cyndee Richards)
Subject: Re: Is popcorn o.k. to give to a puppy?
Reply-To: cxr5@po.CWRU.Edu (Cyndee Richards)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:36:26 GMT


My terrier mix, Skumm (blame my ex), was practically raised on popcorn.
My ex was a fiend for it and Skumm learned early on how to catch with it.
She now catches almost anything (but especially food) we throw for her
(except a frisbee).  She still loves the stuff.

Topaz is also being given popcorn on occasion, but not as often since I
am divorced now (Topie is 9 mos old).

I never, EVER, however feed my 7 year old Popcorn to the dogs.
From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: poop eating dogs
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:37:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr16.173731.15135
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <00959304.08D33760@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>just my opinion, I have 3 dogs and I have known all kinds 
>and I can only say is that all the black labs I have known  
>have always ate their poop (thats 99.9 to 100 percent I have known.) 
>I never saw my collies or cross collie/shepards to do it (doesn't 
>mean they don't) my friends don't know of a solution.) 

I've never read anything to suggest that "poop" eating is a breed
specific behavior.  My parents raised labs for years and none of them
ever did.  In fact, our first lab wouldn't poop in the yard.  He'd
amble over to the woods (they live on 350 acres) and poop there.  When
my husband and I came to visit, we'd let our Cocker out the back door in
the morning.  When Duke (the lab) saw Chester (the Cocker) poop in the
yard, he scolded him by nipping is muzzle and growling.  In two days,
he had Chester "pooping" in the woods.  After that, whenever Chester
had to poop at home, he'd do it in an island bed of azaleas we have in
the back yard planted beneath 3 trees!  From then on, he wouldn't even
poop on leash when we were walking him.  My husband and I carried a
pooper scooper on our walks for 5 years -- just in case.  

schalene
From: lip@felina.Eng.Sun.COM (Philo)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: car chaser
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:12:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: felina

In article <1992Apr16.201854.123775@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ac0g@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANNEMARIE CONNOR) writes:
>
>     My parents own a 1 year old aussie/german shep. mix. who has gotten into the
>bad habit of chasing cars.
[...]
>     The dog has already been hit by a car, and is currently recovering from
>hip replacement surgery.  Unfortunately, the vet does not feel that this
>experience will deter the dog from chasing cars in the future.

I'm sorry, but have you heard of the principle of Natural Selection?

John
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 13:07:53 EDT
From: Frank Mulhern <FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Seizure (Epilepsy ?)

My dog has a siezure on Saturday.  He is 4 years old, a black lab/golden/
springer mix.  He has never had anything like this before.  He did not have
convulsions (shaking), but he lost control of his bowels and bladder and
lied on the floor like dead wieght.  He was in a daze, not moving anything
except to wag his tail when talked to.  I took him to the vet who diagnosed
the seizure.  The dog's gums were white and his pulse was double the normal
rate (it is normally an incredibly low 55).  The vet said that 99% of the time
the seizure is caused by epilipsy. He thought it could have been caused by a
poison, especially since I told him the dog had gotten out the night before
and came home with a very strong smell on his breath.  My guess is that the
smell was cat litter (Is that toxic to dogs?)
    The seizure happened at 11:00 a.m.  Sam was getting better through the
day, but at 5:00 his whole face started to swell.  First his eyes became
surrounded with large swellings---he looked like a boxer (fighter).  Then
his upper lips swelled so his snout looked like a walrus.
    This lasted through the night and subsided on Sunday.
    Now he is doing just fine.
    Does this sound like epilipsy, a poisoning, an allergy...?

        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Seizure (Epilepsy ?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:47:37 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <92097.130753FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu> FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu (Frank Mulhern) writes:
>My dog has a siezure on Saturday.  He is 4 years old, a black lab/golden/
>springer mix.  He has never had anything like this before.  He did not have
>convulsions (shaking), but he lost control of his bowels and bladder and
>lied on the floor like dead wieght.  He was in a daze, not moving anything
>except to wag his tail when talked to.  I took him to the vet who diagnosed
.......
>    Does this sound like epilipsy, a poisoning, an allergy...?
>
>        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing

Sounds like poison to me.  Epilepsy usually doesn't have any physical
swelling involved.  He may be allergic to whatever he go into (like
a bee-sting will cause swelling in highly allergic people).  
I would think epilipsy would show up earlier that 4 years.  Look 
around the house and see if you can find anything with chew marks on
it, especally in places that you think he could NEVER get something.
Dog are good at getting into the strangest places.

I hope he's doing better.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Rufus the Dufus (Housetraining an adult dog.)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  8 APR 92 13:02:27    

My wife and I went to the animal shelter on February 7th to adopt a 
dog.  As we walked past the cages the dogs barked and growled at us 
and they backed up when we got closer.

Except of one dog.  He cocked his head to one side and peered back at 
us.  When my wife stood next to the cage he sniffed at her feet.  At 
first I was against adopting this particular dog.  I thought he was 
too big.  But my wife was certain that this was the dog for us so we 
took him.

The people at the shelter were really happy we chose him.  He's half 
yellow lab and half basset hound and not exactly what I would call 
an attractive dog.  He looks something like a yellow lab that's 
standing on his knees.  They said he was probably about a year old and 
that his owner had died leaving him and 4 other dogs trapped in the 
house.  The owner was something of a recluse and his body wasn't found 
until the dogs broke out of the house an undetermined lenght of time 
later.  The other four dogs had to be destroyed.

The lab/basset hound, however, was taken to the shelter on December 
12th.  Almost 2 months later my wife and I adopted him.  I took him to 
the vet the next day.  Worms, a staff infection, infections in both 
ears, an undecended testicle, and $350 later we have a healthy, 
neutered dog.  We call him Rufus.  Rufus the Dufus.

The problem is that just once every 6-8 days Rufus backslides on his 
house training.  The deficates on the carpet in the living room while 
we're upstairs.  We bring him over to the spot (without calling him 
to us), point his snoot at the dung, pick it up and poor vinegar on 
the spot.  We say "no" the whole time.  Then we put him in his crate 
and ignore him for 1/2 hour.

This technique seems to have been mostly successful.  When we first 
got him he appeared to be completely untrained.  Now he almost always 
signals to go out.  But once, and only once, every 6-8 days he goes on 
the rug.  It's almost as if he's saying "See, I can still do it on the 
rug if I want to."

Is it reasonable to expect a dog with a history like Rufus's to be 
totally house trained by now?   The vet estimated his age at 3-5 
years.  I hope it isn't going to take 3-5 years for him to unlearn his 
bad habits.  :-)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Len DeRoeck
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45847
Organization: Purdue University


I've been trying to send you some e-mail, but about 5 days later
it comes back.  I was just wondering if you are getting it or
did get one of them (it hasn't come back yet).  If not, do
you have a different e-mail address?  I'd really like to talk,
but I can't seem to get through.

---------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: St. Bernards as Guard Dogs ???
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:14:03 GMT

In article <26623@ursa.UUCP>, millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman) writes:
> 2) Are there any other St. Bernard owners that get protected by their 
>    dogs?

	When I was young (5-13), Caesar, my huge St. Bernard, was my constant
companion.  Everywhere I went, he went, except school.  On many occasions,
he defended me from other dogs, from suspicious-looking grown-ups, and from 
neighborhood bullies.  His usual style was to stare at the aggressor, and
if that failed, to knock them down and sit on them.  Once, when a tree
crashed through my bedroom's ceiling during a storm, he dragged me out
of bed and downstairs.
	
	It was like having a 200 lb. personal bodyguard.

	When I have children, they'll get their own personal St. Bernard,
Newfoundland, or Mastiff.

	On the same subject, Basil, our 65 lb. Basset Hound, "saved" me from 
a neighbor's Rottweiler that charged across the street at us the other day.
He just launched himself at the Rottweiler, bowled him over, and clamped
firmly on the dog's neck.  The other dog, while much bigger, gave up mostly out
of surprise I think.  His owner came out, and couldn't stop laughing.  
Personally, I didn't think it was too funny, as his dog could have been 
flattened running across the busy street.

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

BELL:   voice:(408) 492-0900  fax: (408) 492-0909  
USnail:	Auspex Systems, 2952 Bunker Hill Lane, Santa Clara, CA 95054
From: fergus@xi.cs.fsu.edu (Jamie Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A question about the effects of spaying
Date: 4 Apr 92 23:55:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr4.185523.24006
Reply-To: fergus@xi.UUCP (Jamie Ferguson)
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department



I have a 6 month old puppy whom we have been planning on getting
spayed in the next month.  Does spaying (or neutering) have
any effect on the size the dog will be as an adult?  We have
a cat who was fixed at about 6 months and he is smaller than
his father, who wasn't fixed for several years.  We don't know
for sure if the neutering has anything to do with it, but I
don't want our puppy to not reach her full size if we get her
spayed now instead of when she is full grown.  However, a friend
of mine says female dogs bleed when they are in heat and that
could be a problem -- is that true?  (this is obviously my first
dog...)

Thanks,
Jamie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: alexc@pollux.usc.edu (Alex Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Sleeping with the pack?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 11:09:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


Here is a chronology of the life of my puppy so far in the context of
leaving her alone in the house.  The reason I am posting this is because I
have a question about "sleeping with the pack."  My dogs name is Sam and
she is an 8 month old female Dalmatian.


3 months -- Sam is always in the crate when we are not at home and overnight
when we are asleep. The crate is in a second bedroom

4 months -- Due to reading the Monks of New Skete - the crate is moved to
the bedroom. Sam is still kept in the crate overnight and when we are not
home.

5 months -- Sam is now completely house-trained. No accidents for three weeks.
My girlfriend and I leave the house for short periods of time, leaving Sam out
of the crate.  

6-8 months -- The time period in which Sam is left alone out of the crate is
gradually lengthened until now -- where she is left alone for as long as 9
hours -- with no problems. In addittion, the crate has been put in the garage
and Sam's bed is put in a corner of our bedroom.


Sam is allowed onto our bed and sleeps there during the day on the weekends
with us while we are napping. When one of us is out of town, Sam sleeps over-
night on the bed with us. However, this does not occur with much frequency.

Sam has never really liked the crate at all, and has given resistance at times
to getting in there. I was not a big fan of the crate either, but my girl-
friends parents used the crate with their Dalmatian, and their Dalmatian 
would go there on her own and took her meals there. Sam just never liked it
at all and would whine and scratch at the walls in the early morning. I am
glad that we have gotten rid of the crate. I think it is an effective 
house-training tool. I think that for every dog it is different, some may
like the security, some may not. On a related point, my dog likes the
Flexi-leash much better than a normal lead. My dog may be more independent.

During the past few weeks when Sam has not had to go in the crate overnight,
she hasn't slept in the bedroom with us. As a matter of fact, only the first
night she was left out overnight, did she sleep in the bedroom. Every other
night she has slept in the living room. She may go back in to the bedroom
around bedtime, but as soon as my girlfriend and I get into bed, she "kisses"
us goodnight, gets off the bed and pads off. 

I thought that dogs liked to sleep with the pack. Can anyone think of a reason
why Sam wouldn't want to sleep in the bedroom with us? I don't mind, I'm just
curious as to this behavior. It might be just as simple as the couch being
more comfortable than her dog bed.


Alex Campbell, USC Film School
alexc@pollux.usc.edu

-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Yow)
Subject: Puppy or Junior Cataracts
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Keywords: Eyes Cataracts Junior Schipperke
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:49:15 GMT

On Monday, I took our 16 week old Schipperke (Piper) to the Vet for shots.  While
there the Vet noticed cloudiness in her eyes.

After looking at the eyes with a flashlight.  He felt that the puppy was 
developing Junior Cataracts.  

We will be taking her to an eye doctor in May to determine if she really is
starting to develop Cataracts.

Our Vet said that currently  there are two options, let the dog go blind or
remove the lens.  The dog will then be able to see but not focus.

Does anyone have more info on Junior Cataracts and other treaments?


Thanks


						Later,
						Bill Yow
						(713) 283-4051
						yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
						byow@mcimail.com

My opinions are my own!