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Subject:      Re: Realism=Positivism???
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>Don Cunningham has written extensivbely on the links between
>semiotics and jj gibson.  don, how about some references?
>gary shank

"Extensively" is an over statement.  The only version of my work
on Gibson that's sort of available is in Semiotics 1988, the Proceedings
of the Semiotic Society of America.  Its one of those papers that I never
got around to cleaning up and publishing.

Thr key Gibsonian concept is affordance, but it is often misunderstood.
The environment affords certain things to an organism (as a dark hole
affords safety for a mouse, a building ledge affords perching for a
pidgeon).
But affordances are not properties of objects (or the environment).  They
are
jointly detemined by the environment and the organism.  The environment
of an organism is best characterized by what the environment affords,
different
for each species, and even each individual.  My papers drew parallels
between
this and von Uexkull's concept of Umwelt and Peirce's notion of abduction.

Gibson is oftgen portrayed as a raging realist, and in fact wore the label
proudly.  His theories are completely interactional, however, and fertile
ground for insight..  His 1979 book, The ecological approach to visual
perception, is brilliant.

djc

Don Cunningham
Department of Learning, Development & Communication
University of New England
Armidale  2351  NSW
AUSTRALIA

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From:         Don Cunningham <dcunning@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: michael's tree
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              22, 92 5:15 pm

There is a wonderful paper called something like "On being
the right size" (full reference on the dock in Brisbane).
One observation in the paper:  drop a cricket down a 100
metre hole, and it will land safely and hop away.  A mouse
will survive with injuries.  A human will bounce and die.
A horse will splash.  What reality is meaningful on its own
terms?  Gravity.  Is that reality?  Then which species experience
is reality on it own terms?  Reality can only be defined
relative to the experiencing species, and, yes, individual.
You can not isolate separable effects of reality and organism.
Reality as having meaning on its own terms, as unexperienced,
may be a regulative idea, but is not an attainable end to
inquiry so why fret about it?

I'm perfectly willing to trust the Newtonian account of the
world I find myself walking around within.  But that reality
is a product of the collective human and my individual experience
of the limitless flux of energy that some choose to call reality.
As I argured before, this triadic relationship is not reducible
to components.

Another observation in the paper.  Gravity is very important to
some species but of supreme indifference to the majority.  For
insects, for example, becoming wet is far more dangerous than
falling (because of the ratio of surface area to locomotion
means or body weight or something like that).

If this is nominalism, then I guess I'm a nominalist.  Of course
everything looks different from the southern hemisphere

Gary, we haven't had a good talk like this for a long time.  Do
you suppose anyone else is really interested?

djc
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Subject:      popular medieval imagery

Got this note from the medieval textuality line (every qual person
ought to study medieval thought ;-)  ) and thought i'd post it here
as an outstanding example of how popular consciousness -- in this
case medieval -- can create some profoundly rich and complex
visions of 'reality.' comments?    gary shank

Returning to our earlier discussion of the Cross as a shoot from the Tree
of Knowledge in Paradise, planted over Adam's grave and thus ending up
with Adam's skull embedded in its roots, to be washed clean of sin by
Christ's blood frowing down the cross.  The same complex of apocryphal
texts which I cited there (from Slavic versions, but I think we ended up
with Latin versions' being extant as well) has Christ in effect writing
a quitclaim with his blood against the implied "bill" by which Adam in
effect became the Devil's property (as a slave is someone's property in
the full sense of the word property) through his transgression.  The im-
agery of these texts is rich, not entirely self-consistent (but close),
and apparently absolutely central to a lot of things in Medieval popular
and literary thought.  Not being primarily a "lit." person, I don't know
whether anyone's ever written a good monograph on all this.  -- Robert
Mathiesen, Brown University
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Thanks for the cites on env. soc.  I'll follow these up soon.
Peter
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I do not know the HARE system. But in a similar situation once i
have just turned around the assignment of rankings. The more preferred
a candidate, the higher the number assigned.
Hope it works also for you!  Alfred
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From:         "Daniel L. MacIsaac" <danmac@PHYSICS.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Realism=Positivism??? (Affordances)
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              "dcunning@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU" at Aug 27, 92 8:57 am

>
> Thr key Gibsonian concept is affordance, but it is often misunderstood.
> The environment affords certain things to an organism (as a dark hole
> affords safety for a mouse, a building ledge affords perching for a
> pidgeon).
>
> Gibson is oftgen portrayed as a raging realist, and in fact wore the label
> proudly.  His theories are completely interactional, however, and fertile
> ground for insight..  His 1979 book, The ecological approach to visual
> perception, is brilliant.
>
...another excellent read examining the role of affordances in the design of
objects people interact with is Donald Norman's THE PSYCHOLOGY OF EVERYDAY
THINGS. Available from Basic Books, I believe.


[Physics] '...is a narrow and rigid education, probably more so than any other
except perhaps in orthodox theology'
                        --  T.S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
Dan MacIsaac, Science Ed/Physics Grad Student, danmac@physics.purdue.edu
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From:         jude <JGOETZ@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: michael's tree
              23 Aug 1992 11:01:39 EST from <dcunning@METZ.UNE.EDU.AU>

On Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:01:39 EST Don Cunningham said:
>
>Gary, we haven't had a good talk like this for a long time.  Do
>you suppose anyone else is really interested?
>
>djc

Yes.  j.

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Subject:      Proto-Nominalist on Reality
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Let me hasten to interject before Gary gets in an answer to Jean's question
#4. As nearly as I can make out from the descriptions supplied in this
discussion thus far, I find I must be something as a nominalist. I take
this label from Gary's description in his "long winded answer" which
included: "Realism2 says that from basic data facts we build a picture of
the world that becomes less and less true as we get further from the
'basics'" as part of a description of nominalism.

Speaking in this role then let me say that yes, nominalists believe in a
physical reality. The existance of the out there isn't the problem, it's
the ability of the in here to know, interprete, or construct some
understanding of the out there.
Mark Horney
School of Education
University of Oregon
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mhorney@oregon.uoregon.edu
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From:         Solomon.Yusim@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU
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Earlier today, a colleague of mine--a family therapist--asked me if there're
any good qualitative research journals.  Would you, people, have any sugges-
tions?

Will be much appreciated.

Solomon Yusim
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, Texas, USA
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Subject:      Re: students' perceptions

I'd also be interested in studies of student perceptions- but only
those describing their perceptions of what they're doing in classroom
contexts.  I've read far too many studies by psychologists of task
perceptions from psychological laboratories.  They are quite plentiful-
but stimulated interviews using video segments from classrooms- they're
a bit scarcer.
-Craig
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From:         GERALD WEINSTEIN <geraldw@TITAN.UCC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Other interested parties
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Ervin Staub is our leading 'prosocial behavior' man on campus. I think he has
done some qualitative investigations.
Try writing to him at:

Tobin Hall
Dept. of Psychology
Univ. of Mass.
Amherst, MA 01002

Jerry Weinstein
geraldw@titan.umass.edu
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Dear Network and JenningT:  Don't worry about Division J Nomination list.  It w
as missent, due to my working on unfamiliar computer, with unfamiliar system 7
inner workings.  (I'm moving offices, and have been temporarily displaced).  Pl
ease ignore any Division J mmessages.  I am now back on my own computer (tempor
arily), and will probably not mess up in a serious way again very soon.  Yvonna
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From:         mhorney@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Subject:      The Post in Poststructuralism
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Gary or whomever since Gary is distracted:

In re-reading Gary's message on poststructuralism I've missed just where
the post part comes into play. In my naive reading I find a description of
structuralism, but I don't see any poststructuralism. Where have I gone
wrong?


Mark Horney
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From:         Nicholas Sturm <aa248@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: michael's tree

...

>a stance.

...

Is your "stance" similar to the somewhat peculiar "instance" of Windows
processes?  It seems strange that they should be, but yet that's the
seemes the best sense I've seen for this strange usage (of instance).

Just wondering.


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From:         Gary Shank <P30GDS1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      more on intelligibility

One more quote for you michael, to maybe help make clear what I
mean.  again, I turn to Vince Colapietro's fine book, this time
on page 26:
"...if we are to avoid nominalism, we must distinguish between the
hermeneutic level (the level of natural beings responding meaning-
fully to various complexes encountered in the empirical world) and
the semiotic level (the level of intrinsically menaingful or in-
herently intelligible phenomena).  the world of our experience --
the world in which we position ourselves to various complexes --
is always already a realm of meaning.  To paraphrase Peirce him-
self, the whole of the cosmos is a perfusion of signs....a truly
general theory (of semiotics) will also show that mediation is
deeper than interpretation; as Peirce rightly insists, the world
is meaningful apart from our efforts to make sense of it."
The nominalist stance is to say that hermeneutucs by itself is
enough -- the semiotic stance is to say that there is a hermen-
eutic level of inquiry, but that it does not substitute for the
semitic level, any more than the semiotic level substitutes for
the physical level (which is also necessary, as Don rightly pointed
out in his comment about the airline pilot).
You know, I think Don and I are closer than we realize.  I really
like what he said about amalgamating discovery and invention, and
that can only occur if we grant that the world has a physical
status, a hermeneutical status, and a semiotic status.
This really does relate directly to your question, jean.  It says
that semiotics is the acknowledgement that the subjective --
objective dichotomy is insufficent.
What would a semioitic type of inquiry look like?  In a nutshell,
the semiotician does not observe phenomena as either strictly
facts or opinions, but as answers.  In other words, we are awash
in answers about reality.  Michael, the bushman and you and I both
have access to the hunting signs he uses.  We just dont see them.
But they are there just as much for us as for him, if we only had
the skill or means to find them.  This is what makes semiotic
inquiry so hopeful -- the realization that there are some genuine
and complex answers as part of our experience of the world -- we
just have to get really good at reading them.  Again, I think that
this is the essence of qualitative research.
nuff said for now --    gary shank
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Subject:      first crack at poststructuralism....

Okay, let me give you a quick and dirty description of poststruct-
uralism...
Structuralism was the outgrowth of a bunch of people exploring the
work of the Swiss linguist Feerdinand de Saussure.  saussure said
tha there will come to be a science called semiology that deals
with the use of language codes to model other cultural code systems.
The idea is that these other systems are best modelled by treating
them just like they were languages.  Inherent in this idea is the
notion that there is an underlying structure beneath most surface
manifestations, where the surface codes the deeper structure.
Saussure's code notions influenced a lot of folks, including
Chomsky and Piaget, but the hard core structuralists were the ones
who took the language model most seriously.  some of the most
famous structuralists include Claude Levi-Strauss, Jacques Lacan
(whose work is coming back into favor, by the way), and A.J.
Greimas.
Fundamental to the idea of structuralism is the notion that under-
neath all the surface turmoil is a neatly coded, and usually
language-looking center.  Roland Barthes, in particular, was very
adept at peeling away surface stuff in creative ways to get to some
pretty startling centers in French popular culture.  But the ideal
of getting to the center was short-lived.  In particular, three
thinkers have led the poststructural movement:
Jean Francois Lyotard said that we are living in a postmodern age,
where there is no grand cohesive narrative to hold together cult-
ure.  If there ever was a center once to discover, it is certainly
shattered and fragmented now.
Michael Foucault said that our attempts to find the center are
simply disguised power moves, and we are less interested in find-
ing out the truth than in setting up some position and striving to
maintain its centrality via our use of power.  Foucault, if he were
still alive, would have had a field day with the Republican
family values stuff, esp. with its scarcely disguised gay bashing
themes.
Jacques Derrida has argued that all texts, esp. scientific and
rational philosophicial texts, are rhetorical in nature.  The basic
mode of reading adopted in these canonical texts is to privilege
some perspective.  Derrida further holds, though, that the very
act of privileging a perspective leads to its ultimate under-
mining.  This process he calls deconstruction.
This does very little justice to your original question, because
it is so sketchy and shallow, but it gets the ball rolling....
Gary Shank    p30gds1@mvs.cso.niu.edu
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Penny,

I've been particularly impressed by the work of Michael O'Laughlin
at Hofstra.  I don't know where, or how much of his work is published,
but he will gladly share.  I've not seen him surface on any of the
networks......djc

Don Cunningham
Department of Learning, Development & Communication
University of New England
Armidale  2351  NSW
AUSTRALIA

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I don't understand?  Could someone, for sake of those new to the network,
give some additional information of the list of nominees?  Thanks.
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Dear Don:  Yes, I'm interested, and so is Egon (who will not get his own bitnet
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I like The Humanistic Psychologist.  Editor is Christopher
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