HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: Macroeconomics 101
Summary: Kid on Playground Strikes Again!
Keywords: Inconsistent.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.072841.8275@netcom.com> nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd) writes:
>
>If Bush had won people would have been even more bummed out
>than they'd been, and the economy would have gone even deeper
>in the toilet.

OK, lemme get this straight.  If the plurality of Americans got their way 
and George Bush won, then it follows that all people would have been bummed 
and not bought Christmas presents, because their candidate won and we all 
know how terrible that is (just because its Bush)?  Not to mention the fact
that if Bush won, more of the rich corporate types with more money to splurge
on Christmas would have been on the winning side.  And you mean to tell me it
would be a toilet year for the economy if the electorate happened to vote for
Bush rather than Clinton?

Reality check.  Had Bush won, all of his followers would be happy, not bummed.
Right now all the Clinton followers are happy and the Bush followers are
bummed about the future.  If Bush wins, guess what?  The moods just switch
parties, leaving the numbers even on each side with the current situation.

End result?  Get a new theory.  This one's shot full of holes, maybe the 
words "business cycle" will lead you in the right direction.

-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  I have a trig midterm tomorrow and I'm
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  being chased by Guido the killer pimp.
This University is too Commie-	|  -Miles, from "Risky Business"
Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:02:24 GMT

Huang He! Huang He! 
This is Chang Jiang! This is Chang Jiang!
Please respond! Please respond!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Ningping Fan <fan@TAMMY.CATH.PUH.UPMC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Patriotism
Reply-To: Ningping Fan <fan@TAMMY.CATH.PUH.UPMC.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:13:33 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, library@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu

John:

I did recieved your email response, but because I went to New York last week, I
 did
not respond you promptly.

>I believe there is no culture on earth which is perfect. For example, to be
>a traditional American, I could choose our slave-owning past, strive to think
>like a slave-owner, or uphold the concept of slavery.
(parts deleted)
--------------------

According to the Maxinism, slavery is not a culture but a stage of society
development. In the China history, there are also slaves except that they
are mainly the captives of the war, instead in the western world, the slaves
are resulted from trading.

I can think of strong side of the United State's culture is democracy, freedom,
creativity, but the week side is luck of responsibility, short-term commitment.
e.g. the high devioce rate and single mother family. The cultures in the China
and the East does compliment with the Western, so that I do agree with you that
we should learn the strong points from each other and to make the world a better
place for the future.

- Ningping Fan
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:54:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
>lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>> >In article <1992Dec10.224042.20113@cs.ucf.edu>, jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen  
>Jinxiong) writes:
>> >>
>> >>In article <1g6ik9INNphm@uwm.edu> jiqing@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jiqing Wang)  
>writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>Here are some interesting points from "When China Wakes", a survey of  
>china
>> >>>by <The Economist>, 11/28/92.
>> >>>
>> >>>1. China's economic performance in the past 14 years has brought about one  
>of
>> >>>   the biggest improvements in human welfare anywhere at anytime. Real GNP
>> >> ... 
>> >>>    kind become industrialized? The west cannot say it wasn't given plenty  
>of
>> >>>    warning. After advising it to let China sleep, Napoleon went on to add  
>that
>> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
>> >
>> >	WHEN?
>> 
>>    about 1949.
>> 
>
>About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
>(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I said  
>might be a big lie.)
  
  It's definitely a lie. I can't find this on People's daily(which I
like a lot), but I can see it on Central Daily every day I think.
 
>
>Carl
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 2 Jan 1993 00:07:20 CST
From: <U24493@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: re: newwer China

Posted on Jan.1,1993, in the article "newwer China", Mr.Micky Wong Kept saying
that the CCP was afraid of democracy.

******************** CUT  THE  TRASH !!!!!!!******************************

I would like to ask Mr.Micky Wong a question: Which governments in this world
would allow the "democracy" to be overthrown(after all, the goal of all these
"democrats" against the Chinese government is to overthrow the current Chinese
government)???????????
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:25:18 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 55th Anniversary of Rape of Nanking (Nanjing Massacre)

Friends,

.

         Since I am young and have no formal education on this would you
be as kind as to tell me of a documentary written by a Chinese. I only
want material written by a Chinese. I hope that the language is
written/translated in Japanese
or better yet English!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: "when china wakes" by 'th
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: talk
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:52:29 EST

In Article: <C05DtJ.510@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
   Subject: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
      From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

Lines deleted for clearity.

>Whose "catastropy"? Old colonists? yes.

>Chinese people were awakened by Mao. Chinese peopel are no longer
>sumissive since then. After CR, Chinese are more intolerent toward
>Government. Including you guys rebellios stands against CG, has trace
>of CR effect. It is not black-white issue, dear.

Please read the following, which was collected from CCP's own
statistics:

During 1959-1961, the wide spread starvation in Chinese rural villages
were caused by "Zong1 lu4 xian4" (collective policy?),"Da4 yue2 jin4"
(great leap forward), "Ren2 min2 gong1 she4" (people's commune); the
so called "San1 mian4 hong2 qi2" (three red flags).

In the seventies, CCP's propaganda apparatus acknowledged that the death
caused by starvation in that three years were 12-15 million. There was a
census year book published inside China during 1984, recorded the death
caused by 3 years famine were 27 million. Internationally acclaimed
Chinese writer Gu3 Hua1 learned, that in 1980, CCP's party secretaries
from 29 provinces and cities had a study session, the estimate by these
senior party officials of the CCP put the death figure to 50-60 million,
although this last figure was not official published, we can have a pretty
good picture on CCP's record of mismanagement, and CCP's contempt to human
life!

The number of Chinese people died of starvation caused by Mao's
wrong policies, far exceeds the thousands, it was in many millions.

The CCP had for many years, deceived the Chinese people and the world,
blame the hardship during that period, first to the "extraordinary
natural disaster" (Does that sounds familiar?), than it blamed to
Russia's demand for debt payment.

While at the same time, the CCP maintained the self congratulation
on it's "Greatness, Glory, and the absolute correctness"!

From 1949 to 1976, in less than 30 years, the CCP has caused the death of
more than 50 million Chinese (conservative estimate), with CCP's class
struggle ideology, it has caused the suffering and anguish of over 200
million people for that period.(Conservative estimate by CCP for the period
of cultural revolution only, the real figure could be much higher)

Can you tell me, should Chinese people thank Mao for all these?

Do you want to blame all these to the old colonists?


---
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: who is the true bully?
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: talk
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:45:38 EST

The following is from today's (12/23/92) CND Global

 -AP-DJ, 12/22/1992- BEIJING -- Lu Ping on Tuesday called the British
 colony's governor, Chris Patten, a bully and accused London of trying to
 entrap Beijing. He made the remarks to Hong Kong reporters in Beijing after
 a meeting with pro-Beijing Hong Kong legislators and community leaders. "It
 doesn't matter whether or not Mr. Patten cooperates with us, because we can
 either cooperate or fight," Lu was quoted as saying by a Hong Kong news
 broadcast. He said, "I believe this bully has gone too far." (Liu Jian)

 ----  End of quote ----

 Lu Ping's remark reminds us the ancient Chinese idiom: "The thief is
 yelling: -Catch the thief- "  :-)

 This is the same Lu Ping, who had said just a short while ago: "No airplane
 which takes off from Hong Kong's (future) new airport will be allowed to
 use China's airspace" .... This "remarkable" CCP cadre, in his anti-democracy
 and anti-Patten fervor, had carelessly exposed his true mentality, it
 seems that Mr Lu Ping, by some strange and twisted logic, views
 HongKong, even after the new Hong Kong airport is constructed, (which
 shall be well beyond 1997), will remain outside of China's border....

 Or is this the true view of most CCP cadres, toward CCP's promise of
  "One Nation, Two System".

 Anyone with common sense, would understand, by the time that the
 construction of the new airport is completed, the then HongKong would
 have became part of the PRC.

 Netters should be able to draw your own conclusion:

 "WHO IS THE TRUE BULLY?"

 For those who is singing CCP's song should remind themselves, what happened
 to those past comrades of the CCP, who had been used as sacrificial lambs

            "TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF THE PARTY"

 For those shortsighted businessmen, British concerns included, ought to
 remind themselves, the miserable fate of the hundreds of thousands,
 early "Chinese patriotic national capitalists".

 To condone a bullying menace while voice of condemnation is needed, is in
 essence, commit half of the crime!

------------------------------------
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Somalia Relief Initiative
Reply-To: Ignatius Ding <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:42:50 GMT

                                 Press Release

                               December 27, 1992


What:   Fundraising event to support the "Somalia Relief" effort undertaken by
        the American Red Cross.  The program is co-sponsored by various
        organizations from the bay area Chinese-American community.

Who:    Honorary Co-Chairpersons - Representative-Elect Anna Eshoo of the 14th
        U.S. Congressional District, and Educator and retired Dean of
        Engineering of Santa Clara University, Dr. Shu-Park Chan.

        Program coordinator/spokesperson - Ignatius Ding (408) 446-2011.

When:   December 30, 1992, 7:00PM to Mid-night.

Where:  Chinese American Culture Center, 1269 Forgewood Avenue, Sunnyvale
        Phone: (408) 747-0394 or (408) 747-0395

Status: So far, over $3,000 collected through talks and contacts with
        individuals and organizations.


A coalition of religious, business, social, charity, professional, ethnic, and
human rights organizations, and many individuals, are joining forces to sponsor
a year-end donation drive to help raise funds to support the Somalia Relief
effort.  All proceed s will go through the local American Red Cross chapter to
support the international rescue mission.

Music/Dance Program starts at 7:00PM.  Donation and fundraising auction starts
at 8:00 PM.  All expenses are paid in advance by various donors.  There is no
admission charge.

Donations are fully tax deductible.  Please send contributions to "Somalia
Relief", P.O.  Box 160308, Cupertino, CA 95016-0308.  Make checks payable to
"American Red Cross" and note on either either side of the checks that it is
for "Somalia Relief".
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 04:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.224042.20113@cs.ucf.edu>, jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>
>In article <1g6ik9INNphm@uwm.edu> jiqing@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jiqing Wang) writes:
>>
>>Here are some interesting points from "When China Wakes", a survey of china
>>by <The Economist>, 11/28/92.
>>
>>1. China's economic performance in the past 14 years has brought about one of
>>   the biggest improvements in human welfare anywhere at anytime. Real GNP
> ... 
>>    kind become industrialized? The west cannot say it wasn't given plenty of
>>    warning. After advising it to let China sleep, Napoleon went on to add that
>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."

	WHEN?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: who is the true bully?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:53:17 GMT

In article <bkY=d5A@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)  
writes:
> In article <92360.163148IO11043@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Robert Pan  
<IO11043@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> >It sounds we were in Culture Revolution era. This guy thought he was  
absolutely
> >right and real representive of Chinese interests. And he has every power to
> >destroy anything he doesn't like. I would suggest that we calm down a little
> >and think about the real issues, it would be better than just blaming  
others.
> >When I was a young boy, I saw a lot of stuffs on streets like this 'Down
> >with ***' or 'Burn ***' or 'One is dead if one dares to oppose us', etc. To  
me,
> >those are powerless slogans and never help us Chinese.
> 
> I guess you still live in the Culture Revolution. Just link everything
> to it. I suggest you open your eye and see today's world. Get out
> the influence of Culture Revolution. Think deeply about the future
> of China and do what you can do for a better future of China.

Please leave the above paragraph to yourself, Mr. J. Chen. You are the one who  
need to "open your eyes and see today's world". Please "think deeply about the  
future of China and do what you can do for a better future of China" in a  
common sense. 

Carl



> 
> >=========================================================================
> >Robert Pan                  Voice: (207) 581-2298(Office), 827-8823(Home)
> >                              Fax: (207) 581-2323
> >1 Hayes St.              Internet: io11043@maine.maine.edu
> >Old Town, ME 04468-1117    Bitnet: io11043@maine
> 
> J Chen
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Michigan
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Announcement of the Establishment of SUOAA
Summary: SUOAA is established, e-mail me you e-mail address if you are
		from Shandong University.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:45:21 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada
Keywords: Alumni, Shandong University

*****************************************************************
* If you are from Shandong University, I would be very          *
*  appreciative if you can e-mail me your email address and     *
*  other alumni addresses if you know.                          *
*															    *
*  Remember: your friends and classmates are looking forward to *
*            hearing from you!!!                                *
*  															    *
*  You may send an e-mail message to yan@cs.uregina.ca if you   *
*  don't want to be involved. Shandong University Overseas      *
*  Alumni Association (SUOAA) appreciates your wish to join in  *
*  and understands your inclination to leave also.              *
*****************************************************************


******************************************************************
*       Shandong University Overseas Alumni Association          *
******************************************************************

	The association is established by overseas students and visiting scholars 
	from Shandong University.The association is a non-political, 
	non-profitable organization.

	The objectives of the association are to:
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

1. Enhance communications among Alumni and organize social activities;

   We should probably set up an Alumni network to promote more
   scientific and job-oriented ( more important to most of our members )
   information exchange. We can also help each other find old pals and
   classmates.

2. Serve members' interests;

	The organization has the right and responsibility to represent
	and serve our members. The association has the right to contact
	any institution or make any statements on behalf of its members.

3. Promote scientific and technological exchanges between China,
   especially Shandong University, and overseas organizations;

	Practically, don't forget to give a seminar at Shandong
	University whenever you have a chance to visit China.

4. Promote involvement in helping China into the 21st century. 

   We are walking toward the 21st century, which obviously belongs 
   to our Asians. Our history books have been filled with foreign 
   invasions and repressions, but our brothers and sister 
   are writing a new chapter. We should not be buried with books 
   and concerned with only bread anymore. Let's be involved in this 
   great era.

   The association is run according to democratic procedures:
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

1. The association is run by president, vice-president, and committee
   members.

2. President, vice-president and committee members are elected by voting.

	The cheapest and fastest way is to vote by e-mail.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:32:33 EST
From: <LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: who is the true bully?
Distribution: talk

You and d-seekers ,Patten and ITS followers are true bullies.
British assholes and you-s, will be destroyed if you dare to
do anything against China.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mcbhongy@nuscc.nus.sg (Hong Yan (Dr))
Subject: test too
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:41:14 GMT


This is a test, please ignore it!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Lawrence Mao <lqmao@sce.carleton.ca>
Subject:      test
Reply-To: Lawrence Mao <lqmao@sce.carleton.ca>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:17:05 GMT
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was news@CUNEWS.CARLETON.CA

This is a test. Please ignore it.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.000053.4966@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <C03H2I.8Dp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Dec21.040701.7085@mariner.amc.edu.au>  
>lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>> >In article <1992Dec10.224042.20113@cs.ucf.edu>, jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen  
>Jinxiong) writes:
>> >>
>> >>In article <1g6ik9INNphm@uwm.edu> jiqing@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jiqing Wang)  
>writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>Here are some interesting points from "When China Wakes", a survey of  
>china
>> >>>by <The Economist>, 11/28/92.
>> >>>
>> >>>1. China's economic performance in the past 14 years has brought about one  
>of
>> >>>   the biggest improvements in human welfare anywhere at anytime. Real GNP
>> >> ... 
>> >>>    kind become industrialized? The west cannot say it wasn't given plenty  
>of
>> >>>    warning. After advising it to let China sleep, Napoleon went on to add  
>that
>> >>>    "when China wakes it will shake the world."
>> >
>> >	WHEN?
>> 
>>    about 1949.
>> 
>
>About 1949, China turned from sleeping to nightmare until 1981.
                                           ********* Chinese haters'
nightmare.
>(Excuse me, you can't find this on People's Daily, which means what I said  
>might be a big lie.)
>
>Carl


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.165648.16829@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <BzvxzH.B80@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
>writes:
>> >>In article 72451, Tingli Pan (utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I always think it is not a strategic way to put a name to the
>> >>>opponents, as the other side can do the same easily. For example, if A
>> >>>calls B as KMT's running dog, then B can easily call back A as CCP's
>> >>>running dog. Both sides can manipulate the definition conviniently to suit
>> >>>their own requirment. That is what we've seen recently. It is fun for
>> >>>the bystanders, but for A and B, well, at least they practise their
>> >>>English writing.
>> I hope you can find more than my english to laugh at. 
>> I normally do not take a second look at what I wrote, I have to rush through 
>> SCC only able to respond to limited thread that I like to respond.
>
>I always find a lot in your articles to laugh at, not your English.
>
>Hahaha...!
>
>Carl
Here you go again. Come on, forget about past "fights". Don't let them block your
common sense.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:56:48 GMT

In article <BzvxzH.B80@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
writes:
> >>In article 72451, Tingli Pan (utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
> >>
> >>>I always think it is not a strategic way to put a name to the
> >>>opponents, as the other side can do the same easily. For example, if A
> >>>calls B as KMT's running dog, then B can easily call back A as CCP's
> >>>running dog. Both sides can manipulate the definition conviniently to suit
> >>>their own requirment. That is what we've seen recently. It is fun for
> >>>the bystanders, but for A and B, well, at least they practise their
> >>>English writing.
> I hope you can find more than my english to laugh at. 
> I normally do not take a second look at what I wrote, I have to rush through 
> SCC only able to respond to limited thread that I like to respond.

I always find a lot in your articles to laugh at, not your English.

Hahaha...!

Carl
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:32:13 GMT
Subject: Happy New Year
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino