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From: nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Naci SaGlam  )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Yabanci
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:23:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Can , kimi insanlar da degisik nedenler buluyorlar buradaki sicacik
yataklardan disari cikip da ulkeye donmemek icin. Ornegin:
"TR'de bilgisayar yok ki universitede, oyleyse niye doneyim" birbaskasi
"yahu kac senedir TR'de bir arabas sahibi bile olamadim"
bir baska ornek: "burada hersey [?] bedava kari kiz Tr'de para oduyorsun
ustelik da guzel ve kaliteli olanlarin yanina bile yaklasmanin bin para"
vs vs... bir suru ornekleri var. 
Kendi cikarlarini herseyinotesinde tutan boylesi yaratiklarin pardon
"Turklerin" Tr'ye donmemeleri icin ne "akillica nedenlerin ardina
sigindiklarini" gormek cok hos oluyor dogrusu. TR'deki sorunlarin cogu
da bu gibilerinin Tr'deki kalintilarindan kaynaklaniyor. Kimileri basbakan
devlet baskani bile olabiliyor. Dusurt, caliskan Anadolu koylusunun, iscisinin
tum emegi ile gecinen insanlarin boylesi kendi cikarindan baska bir sey bilmeyen
kimi ilkeleri koruduklarini soyleyip aslinda tamamen o ilkelere ters dusen 
hareketleri ile insanlari soymaktan kandirmaktan baska bir ise yaramayanlardan
daha iyilerine layiktir, oz insanimiz. 
Kimileri somurmek icin Ataturk'u kullanir, kimileri dini kullanir, kimileri 
da baska cok baska seyleri...

Senin nedenin de ilginc, belki TR daha mutlu olur, bu insanlarin donmemelerinden. boylesi insanlarin kendi
"ciktiklari kabugu begenmeyip" buralara gelip, kimileri "Ozcorumlular kaveSindenkimileri "disco 9" veya Palet'lerden okuz gelip okuz gidip yada hic gitmeyip, sonra da bir guzel kendi insanina camur atip kendisinin ne oldugunu farkina
varamamis ( gorememis!) lar icin daha iyidir buradaki "olanaklardan" bol
bol yararlanmalari, ve camur atmaya devam etmeleri.ve DONMEMELERI, yabancilasiveripte...

P.S. bu yazi ozel olarak kimseye yonelik degildir. O yuzden geri satasmayin
-- 
NaciSAGLAM

=== I MUST go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the ===========
=== sky, "  J.M.  =========================================================    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tyanik@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Telat Yanik)
Subject: Re: Islamda Kadin
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:46:04 GMT

BEHCET HALUK AYDINOGLU bey,
bey'in KUCUK YAZILMASI LAZIM CUNKU SIZ OYLESINIZ.
SIMDI SIZE BIR OLAY ANLATACAGIM VE SIZI MANTIKLI OLMAYA DAVET EDECEGIM.
  
BAKIN SU ANA KADAR KUFUR YOK.

KAYA GIBI BIRISININ BABASINA SORMUSLAR;
"SOYLE BAKALIM OGLUNMU TEMIZ YOKSA SEN MI?"
CEVAPLAMIS;
"OGLUM BENDEN DAHA TEMIZ"
NEDEN DEDIKLERINDE SU CEVABI VERMIS;
"CUNKU O BENDEN DAHA GENC"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Simdi sana gelelim;
Bu nette birisi cikip diyorki efendim camilerdeki insanlar birbirlerinin
ayaklarini kokluyor.Senin gibi DAVARLARDA bunu agziniz bes karis acik
dinliyorsunuz ve ona alkis tutuyorsunuz. Neden mi? Cunku kaya gibisiniz.
SIMDI IKI KISIYEDE BIR GOZ ATALIM;
BIRISI GUNDE BES DEFA AYAKLARINI YIKIYOR VE YELLENMESI BILE ABDESTLI OLDUGUNDA
YASAK.
DIGERI ISE CINSI MUNASEBETTEN SONRA BILE VUCUDUNU TEMIZLEMIYOR.
SOYLEYIN KIM KOKAR KIM KOKUSMUS KIM KOKACAK.
DEDIGIM GIBI SIZLERDE DINLIYORSUNUZ.
GORDUGUNUZ GIBI MESELE IKIKERE IKININ DORT ETTIGI KADAR
BASIT.
MILLETE AMAN TELAT'A YUZ VERMEYIN KUFUR SOYLUYOR DOGRU SEYLER YAPTIGINI 
ZANNEDIYOR DEMISSINIZ.
ONCEDEN DE SOYLEMIS OLDUGUM GIBI BEN YUCE MILLETIMI VE ONUN HER TURLU
DEGERLERINI VE DEVLETIMI EGRISIYLE DOGRUSUYLA COK SEVIYORUM.
VE BU DEGERLERE CAMUR ATILMASINA KARSIYIM.SIZLERINDE KARSI OLMASI GEREKIRDI AMA 
NERDE O SICAK GUNLER.

 SIMDI SANA TEKLIFIM ARKADAS SEN KILAVUZUNU DEGISTIR.CUNKU NE DEMISLER;
"KILAVUZU KARGA OLANIN BURNU B..'TAN CIKMAZMIS".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ADANALI CELAL
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: POLEMIK VE ISLAMCILAR
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:21:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Mr.Kaya,
Her zaman yaptigin gibi daldan dala atlayarak sorulara cevap vermekten
kacma aliskanligin suruyor,.

Bir kere yazmadan once netteki binlerce kisi onunde muslumanlardan
ayet-i kerimeleri bilerek ve kasitli olarak cevirdigin icin 
ozur dilemedikce yazmaman gerekir. Bunu insanlarin unutacaginimi
zannediyorsun. Sana zaman zaman hakaret edilmesinin sebebi senin
ciddiyetsizligindir. 

Hem ayetlerin manasini degistirdigimi ispatlayin diyorsun, ispatlayinca
da hemen laf kalabaligiyla baska dala atliyorsun.

Tekrar ediyorum nette muslumanlardan ozur dile ondan sonra diger
yazdiklarina cevap verelim.

Beytullah
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11320 talk.politics.soviet:9863 soc.culture.europe:10640
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Russian Speakers in Estonia: The Linguistic Approach.
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:37:33 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec20.181605.24654@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
> Alexei Moiseyev (alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) writes:
>>Mr.Sommarskog writes:
>>>A lie doesn't become true because you repeat it over and over
>>>again. How do you explain that 40.000 Russians had the right
>>>to vote in the recent elections.
>>
>>An exeption does not undermine the general truth of this statement.
> 
> Only in the newspeak of people like you where "truth" is a "lie" and
> "lie" is a "truth".

  Only patological liars like Sommarskog could not
comprehend the facts. I was getting life watching as
Sommarskog was screwing himself trying to deny what
is already a common knowledge. The fact that 30-50%
of population of Estonian "republic" were deprived
electorial rights serves as evidence how Estonian
pseudo-democratic pseudo-republic successufully joined
Iraq, Kuwait, Algeria, Lybia, et other "freed of colonialism"
nations in a list of most prominent regimes in a current
world.
  No surprise that such situation has developed
in a country which "aborigenal" nation has shown
itself neither in science, nor in literature, nor in
arts, whose cities were built either by
Russians, or Swedes, or Germans, and whose only
"achievement"  is rabid nationalism.
 
> 
> In normal language, the fact invalidates the claim.

Thus, it is the fact which invalidates all
claims of Mr. Sommarskog. It seems that
Sommarskog sometimes could speak the truth.

> Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@moron.moron.enea.se

Serega & Co
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: dwait@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (douglas.wait)
Subject: E-Mail to Russia - girlfriend in Peace Corps
Keywords: email,russia,mail,communication
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:02:42 GMT

Help!

My girlfriend recently joined the Peace Corps and is now in Russia.
Some (about 1/3) of my mail (regular airmail) does get to her but none of
hers is getting to me.  We really need to communicate.

What options for E-Mail to Russia are there?  There appear to be USENET
sites in Russia.  Could we somehow use these routes to get an occasional
message through?  Are there other ways that we could communicate?  She
is currently in a city called Saratov.  Is there anything near there
that would allow us to communicate?

I heard that there might even be a way to use one of the commercial e-mail
services.  Can anyone confirm this?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Douglas J. Wait
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Will Russia stand beside Serbia?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:01:59 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec20.154305.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.215331.8115@polaris.utu.fi>, opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:
> 
> ....deleted...
> 
>> Dear fellow-citizens of Russian interest circle and emigrants.
>> Do you think that Russia should remember it obligations to
>> little brothers of Slavonic family: Bulgaria and Serbia who
>> ....
>> -olli-
> 
> First of all, I have know idea what Russia is going to do with Serbia.  So
> far, among U.N. troops, there are Russian and Ukrainian forces; where they
> carry the usual mission of such units...  
> 
> Now, if you talk about "Slavic brothers", then don't include Bulgaria in this
> list, for it's a common mistake to call them Slavic, while they are not Slavs
> at all.  The other point is, that Serbs are not the only Slavic people of
> x-Yugoslavia.  What about Bosnians and Herzegovinian, along with Croats?  Well,
> Croats are Muslim, but they still Slavs, and the obligations of Russia toward
> them (I mean Imperial Russia) are the same as toward Serbs.

I feel as if Michael Martynov is also Muslim,  
  :-)

Serega & Co

> 
> By the way, I'd like to remind you the history of this obligations.
> 
> First of all, in 1794, in the Treaty of Kudzuk-Kainardzhi (sp.?), Catherine the
> Greate reserved for Russia the right to be representative of Christian rights
> in Ott.Empire (sorry for not using its full name, because I'm affraid of 
> some postings from their, which would call me a 'self-admitted lier'...).
> 
> This term of the Treaty was used by Russia for >50 years, but in 1856, after
> Crimean war, the term was eliminated.  
> 
> The next idea was pan-slavinism, which justified new wars with the 'sick 
> man of Europe'.  As you can see, there is no single word about religion here,
> so Croats, although Muslims, got the same help from Russia as Serbs.
> 
> As it is now, Russia isn't interesting about religious origins at all;
> therefore, if it is going to 'help Yugoslavia', it has to help everybody.
> 
> The problem is that it's impossible to help every side of Yugoslavian war.
> That's why, I don't really know what Russia is going to do or can do in
> this situation.
> 
> Michael Martynov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: lego@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Martin Lee Group)
Subject: Re: ANECDOTES -- Brezhnev
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
 Should be:  I gde ya nakhozhys'?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:47:43 GMT

Val
From: acs_anshakov@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: RE: Vysotsky recordings
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:54:46 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls



  V. VYSOTSKY MADE SOME RECORDINGS IN U.S. WITH THE HELP
OF HIS FRIEND SHAMIAKIN, RUSSIAN PAINTER, WHO IMMIGRATTED
TO U.S.(NEW YORK, I BELIEVE). I KNOW THAT THESE RECORDINGS
EXIST.
 BOOK FILLED WITH GREAT PHOTOS WAS ALSO PUBLISHED.
UNFORTINATELY, I CANNOT FIND THESE TAPES. AND IT IS TOO BAD,
BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY BEST QUALITY OF VYSOTSKY RECORDINGS.
IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HE WORKED UNDERGROUND. I HAVE SOMETHING 
LIKE 200 SONGS OF VYSOTSKY ON TAPES. QUALITY IS OK, BUT NOT
THE BEST. I MADE TAPED THEM BEFORE LEAVING MINSK (UNFORTINATELY,
I COULD NOT TAKE ALL OFF MY COLLECTION, SO I CHOOSED HIS BEST,
TO MY MIND, THINGS).
 SO, THESE TAPES EXIST, BUT HOW CAN WE FIND THEM ? GOOD QUESTION...

IGOR
V GLUSHI WISCONSII.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:56:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.001335.18691@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> In article <LEONID.92Dec18185117@tuna.uchicago.edu> leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec17.201637.18641@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> 
> 
> 	BTW, the recent "hit" by BG (not A. anymore),
> 	called "Pyatnadtsat' Bab" (Fifteen Women),
> 	is also written on lyrics by Gunitskii,
> 	as well as 3-4 songs from Treugol'nik (triangle)
> 	and 1-2 songs from Acoustica (Graf Garcia,
> 	Moi Muravei, Chto Luchshe Pena Ili Dom,
> 	what else?). I am not sure about Suita:
> 	which one you are talking about? If 
> 	one going like 
> 		"U povorota na Korostyliovo
> 		Ugryumyi starets zlobno biot klyukoi
> 		Uvyazshego v bolote krokodila
> 		A tot, glaza pod'yavshi k nebesam,
> 		Okrestnost' oglashaet khriplym stonom"
> 
> 	it is also BG, as the book says.

No, the book must be wrong. I have a live recording of one of the A. concerts, 
in "Yubileinii", in Leningrad, on which BG himself says that the text for "Suita"
is written by George Gunitskii.


Otherwise, thanks for a very informative articles. Keep it up!

--Igor P.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: renews.politics: At the Congress of the People's Deputies of Russia
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:21:55 GMT

In article <1gof10INN5j9@gap.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
>
>
>
>But it's nice living in a country with a stable government, with washing
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>machines and no pictures of Stalin waved in your face.
^^^^^^^^^                
Our alleged romantic finally exposed what she really need (see above)
I suspected (for purely stylistic reasons) that her inclination to 
poetry is borrowed from one of the Hollywood film personals - now I 
know it for sure. Only thing I don't understand is why Patricia
failed to appreciate pictures of Iossif Vissarionovich - his government 
was stable all right. 

>But then why am I planning my next trip to Moscow already? :/
>
This remind me the story (don't remember the source - may be, Checkhov's
notebooks); prosperous people reading about starving to ensure good 
appetite.  

>Kak chasto v gorestnoi razluke
>V moej bluzhdayushchej sud'be
>Moskva - ya dumal o tebe...
>
>(Pushkin)
>p.
>
May be "travesty" is appropriate epitet for our beloved poster ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Shtirliz
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:56:03 GMT

I hate to emerge as the most ignorant of the posters on this group, but, well
someone has to do it.  Who is Shtirliz and what is the basis for tyhilve (I'm
sorry but I had to leave this monstrosity of a typo in) for this character?
I can't think of an equivalent character in American anecdotes, maybe someone
can.
From: RUBAN@hartford.bitnet ("Timur Y. Ruban")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: "Mashina Vremeni" (was Re: Boris Grebenschikov)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


 Misha, thanks a lot of the brief history on MV and it's period of activities.
Do you know, but any chance, if there is any "samizdat" copies of their poetry
from the first period?  I have heard that there were couple of versions going
"through hands" among public, but never seen any of them.  Well, except,
maybe those that were published in musical books (I have "noty" and "stihi"
only for "Poka Gorit Svecha..." and "Ona idet po-z'izni smeyas'")

Thanks,
Timur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: #1 People's comissars' acceptance....
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75944F2E60404C1@luokkapolku.utu.fi>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:30:26 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics and Business Adm
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:26:23 GMT

31th December, 1917 Finnish representatives were given acceptance
of 6th December 1917 declared independence, which was confirmed
by the central executive committee 4th January, 1918.
__________________________________________________________________

Sovet Narodnyh Komissarov
Petrograd
18 Dekabrja 1917 g.

   V otvet na obratshthsenie finljandskogo Pravitelstva
c priznanii nezavisimosti Finljandskoj Respubliki, Sovet
Narodnyh Komissarov, v polnom soglasii ob printsipami
prava natsii na samoopredelenie, POSTANOVLJAJET:
Voiti v Tsentralnyj Ispolnitelnyj Komitet s predlozheniem: 
    a/ priznat gosudarstvennuju nezavisimost Finljandskoj
Respubliki
 i  b/ organizovat, po soglasheniju c Finljandskoj Pra-
viteltelstvom, osobuju Komissiju iz predstavitelej obeih
storon dlja razarabotki teh praktitsheskih meropijatij
kotorye vytekajut iz otdelenija Findljandii ot Rossii.

      Predsedatel Sovet Narodnyh
                 Komissarov       Vl. Uljanov (Lenin)

         Narodnye Komissary:  L. Trotski
                              G. Petrovski
                              J. Stalin
                              I. Steinberg
                              V. Karelin
                              A. Schlichter
                              
Upravljajutshtshij Delami Soveta Narodnyh
          Komissarov          Vlad. Bontsh-Brujevitsh

Sekretar Soveta               N.N.

__________________________________________________________________

Merry Christmas and happy independence from whatever you like.

Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.SOVIET is loosing subscribers - Let's do something!
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:10:16 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Olli-Jukka Paloneva (opaloneva@abo.fi) wrote:
: I think that this group has almost melted by the flames.
: Also the name of this group is like honey for crusading
: bees.
: 
: Is anybody for changing the name of this group for
: soc.culture.russia? It would probably lighten the
: burden that word "soviet" carries nowadays!

I am for that proposal. There is needed a news-group soc.culture.russian.

: 
: Shalom - peace - mir!
: 
jarmo ryyti
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: RUSSIANS and FINNISH patriots (Was: Estonia 15)
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:28:45 GMT

In article <15119.2b2e684f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> ,
viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>  Nobody cares which Finiks which sentiments have. What is more
>important is that among 5 Finiks participating on this list
>there are at least 3 complete idiots, one self-admitted liar,
>and the one which is still deciding which sex does _it_ have.
>Since some Finiks could combine some of these features,
>it leaves a room for Jarmo to fill in the vacancy left
>for a more or less decent personality. I'm personally inviting
>him to do so.

I think that this kind of language does not belong to
a respected representative of Russian intelligentsija -
it must be a comrade lost its identity.

Mr. Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
From: verbit@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:01:56 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec16.042237.21665@mail.cornell.edu> ml12@cornell.edu (Mark Lipsits) writes:

>I am not trying to make excuses for Azeris -- there is no
>excuse in murdering.  I am not defending Turks, either.  I speak what I
>think, and there are enough people to support my views.
>I don't like to dump mud on anyone, and those who used obscene language
>against me just proved that they are not cultured enough to conduct a
>civilized argument.    
>                                        ***Lynah Faithful***

	I don't care much which side is right in Armenia-Azeri
	conflict, because any sane person will agree that
	both sides are guilty. What I care about is that the 
	discussion you proposed is in fact a call to yet one
	more Azeri-Armenian flamewar on the pages of soc.culture.soviet.
	I am sure there are lot of people who are glad to participate,
	but I personally am against it. If you feel
	unstoppable urge to participate in flamewar,
	please create the alt.flame.interethnic or alt.politics.mutlu
	and go ahead. Otherwise I will call you by your proper
	name - Mark Lipshits, as this name is spelled in your
	official papers.

	Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: neo-Nazi and neo-Communists
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:34:53 GMT

In article <12111@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
writes:
> 
> Mr.Hietaniemi writes:
> In article <12022@sorley.ed.ac.uk>, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) 
> writes:
> 
>>>>Don't you agree with me that the naturalization of the Russian speakers
>>>>that want to become Estonian citizens should be made as smooth as
>>>possible? 
>>> 
>>> Well, in a true democracy it would be automatic.  But since Estonia is
>>> not a democracy I do agree with you.
> 
>>Democracy does not equal giving automatic citizenship to the non-citizens.
> 
> I never said it did.  But, in the particular case of Estonia automatic
> citizenship for Russian speakers is a NECESSARY condition for democracy.


I think this is a non sequitur. You are just repeating that you do not
LIKE the Estonian citizenship policy (which makes this discussion
little boring).



>>In which side are you in this dispute? With Rutskoi, Zhirinovsky and 
>>Alksnis, which disagree indeed with Bahmin? Or with Bahmin and the Russian
>>democrats?
> 
> I feel there are more sides to the argument than this.  


I feel that you do not share the opinions of Bahmin and Russian
democrats.


> Further, I
> think by now you should be aware of my attitude to people like Alksnis
> and Zhirinovsky. 


I have not heard what you think of Alksnis or Nevzorov.



> I welcome Baltic independence.


If you welcome it, you should accept (like Bahmin does) that
Estonians have the freesom to the legislation of their own.


>  But I do not welcome
> Baltic neo-Nazism.  


Neither I. But where do you see neo-Nazism in Estonia? I would
like to know.


> Time and again I have said that  Baltic leaders
> are birds of a feather with Alksnis, Zhirinovsky etc.


Do you think that the Estonian prime ministers of this year
(Savisaar, Va"hi and Laar) are "birds of feather" with those "gentlemen"?
At least they do not stick together.


> I dislike them
> all, and for just ONE THE SAME reason.


I think that you do not know enough of the Estonian leaders to dislike
them
 
thinks 
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: RELAX: Evreyskii anekdot
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09: 22:27 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:19:01 GMT

In article <101663@netnews.upenn.edu> Sergei Borodin,
sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu writes:
>  A idet ona o tom, chto chelovek, a imenno Mark Lipsits, nikak ne
>  mozhet nauchit'sja obraschat'sja s komputerom, a ot togo pripisyvaet
>  mne chuzhie slova. A pripisav ih mne, delaet duratskii vyvod o moem
>  chuvstve umora. Povod-to, vrode by v dannom sluchae i pustjashnyi, no
>  ja opasaus' kak by eto ne pereroslo v privychku. 


I just want to clear some misuderstanding here.  Sergei, I never tried to
pu someone else's words in your mouth -- I was replying to that strange
outburst about "economical Jews"  Please, understand me, I am using a Mac
which has barely enough memory to run System 7.  The computer itself is a
nusance.  Plus, very often, when I try to post an article it says that
"connection has timed out", and then it assumes all the responsibility
for my article, leaving me without a clue on what to do.  (I'll be glad
to recieve any suggestions)  I guess you had a chance to show off your
wits, and to flame me -- that's cool -- I loose.  But I hope that the
topic is closed now, with my apologies.
As for the people who did not think the jokes were funny -- it is their
right.  I personally think that there are a lot of jokes being posted
that lack a sense of humor.
Mark Lipsits.  Cornell University Engineering ComSci.  AKA
ml12@cornell.edu 
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