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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.164746.26145@rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) writes:
>Hello,
>
>jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>>I'm sorry, but according to Peter da Silva, the word "Conservative" is
>>used almost everywhere to mean ecological-conservation etcetera, not a
>>political viewpoint.  Unfortunately, this means that you can't possibly be
>>right in stating that "conservative" has a political meaning in England
>>and Scotland.
>
>Do you really believe what you wrote, or are do you try to be sophistic?
>In the latter case I didn't get the point.
>In the first case, maybe you should have a cup of reality :-)

No, actually, I was being nasty.  Peter, who is as least as good at
lecturing everyone as anyone else around here is, rather highhandedly
explained that "conservative" sure doesn't mean "to the right of the
political spectrum" in many, many places around the world and said it was
ridiculous to propose that the word "conservative" be used in a newsgroup
name to mean "a political philosophy on the right of the political
spectrum."  I could have said "right, Peter, right, let's go ask 100
people what it means and see what they say" but I don't really care if
this group gets formed, not wanting to discuss conservatism with the Russ
Limbaugh/Pat Roberstson crowd, and so I just shrugged and figured I'd let
the people who originally proposed it step in and defend their own
proposal.  Then the message I replied to came past and I thought "here,
let me save Peter the effort of telling this poor fool how wrong his
reasoning is."  :)


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From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.cinema : rmgroup?
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:27:16 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1992Dec30.190115.12558@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>In <1992Dec28.133402.15296@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>If memory serves, there is no way to "unmoderate" a newsgroup effectively,
>>since some news software programs out there won't ever acknowledge it and
>>CAN'T acknowledge it.  David Lawrence has said that basically what you
>>have to do is rmgroup the group and then make a new one if people want. 
>
>If my memory serves, you can send out a control message with a new
>moderator with somewhat better results, can't you? I seem to remember this
>coming up during the recent discussion of rec.arts.erotica.

I don't recall it ever actually happening.  Usually someone says "well, DO
it" and nothing ever gets done and a year later someone's asking why no
posts ever appear in the given group.

>>I think it might be a good idea to find out exactly where he or she
>>went and, if it turns out that the moderator really has given up, rmgroup
>>rec.arts.cinema.  Then, if people really *do* want a moderated
>>movie/cinema newsgroup, they can go through the regular discussion and
>>voting process any new group would follow.
>
>I don't really agree. I like having a moderated cinema newsgroup and one
>exists. It seems clear that a number of people have been posting to
>rec.arts.cinema with no success so a demand exists as well.
>(It just took us awhile to realize it wasn't a local problem...)
>Why not just fix it and avoid an un-needed vote?

It may not be "fixable" due to the vagaries of some of the less flexible
news software.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca (Dan Martin)
Subject: rec.sports.rowing??
Keywords: rowing, sports, newsgroup
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:47:55 GMT

What is happening with the vote on rec.sports.rowing? I have been
checking for the last week but no one is talking about it anymore. Is
it killed already, even before a vote?  I have about 10 people who are 
actively involved in rowing (3 of which are training to make the
Canadian National team) and are also connected to the internet world.
They are just waiting to cast their votes.  How long do we have to wait?
How much red tape do we have to go through?  Is there anything I can do
to help?           

regards,
Dan Martin
email:dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca

Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* / Automoderation.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:44:43 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec21.063607.23298@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.223503.4350@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) 
>writes:
>>
>>No, the problem with automoderation is that it's a technical
>>nightmare. It would require all postings to soc.motss to be channeled
>>through one machine: the moderator's. You've just turned the random
>>graph of Usenet into a hierarchical tree. If that one machine is down,
>>or a piece of the network is gone, then parts of motss aren't propagated.
>
>That's the case with any moderated group, and people seem to be able to
>live with it.  

Most moderated groups are low-volume and low-immediacy, neither of which
applies to this group.

All this jabber and conspiracy seems like an awful lot of effort to go to
to get rid of a few minor annoyances.  In fact, I'm not sure I'd want to
face a net, or a soc.motss, without a Clayton or two.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bs@fatima.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.crypt.research
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:22:31 GMT

In article <4fDb2em00WB=84isY1@andrew.cmu.edu> "Thomas W. Strong, Jr." <strong+@CMU.EDU> writes:
:  This is a formal Request For Discussion regarding the establishment of
:  a newsgroup to discuss scientific and technical aspects of
:  cryptography. The discussion has already begun in several newsgroups, 
 
I approve.

:  The idea of a moderated group has been floating around for a while,
:  and it appears that there is sufficient support for it.  
 
I think this new group should be moderated.

--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.messianic
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:52:18 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec31.135845.2219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec31.033011.3349@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
|> >In article <BzqrD5.8JC@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr) writes:
|> >| Which is why I recommend putting the word "usa" in the name.  That way,
|> >| any Australians who have an idea that conservative means "green" or
|> >| "nature" politics will look at it and say "'talk.politics.usa.con- 
|> >| servative'.  Well, that's a group that's about American politics.  Let's go
|> >| back to aus.conserve and hang out."
|> >
|> >But conservatism isn't just an American phenomenon (Edmund Burke is
|> >credited (by Russell Kirk) as being the first modern conservative 
|> >and he was Scottish).  Most American conservatives would agree that
|> >Mrs. Thatcher is a conservative.  Isn't the political party she headed 
|> >called the Conservative Party?  Did the Aussies think that Mrs. Thatcher
|> >was a Green?  I personally prefer that the scope of the discussion not 
|> >be (implicitly) limited to the US.
|> 
|> I'm sorry, but according to Peter da Silva, the word "Conservative" is
|> used almost everywhere to mean ecological-conservation etcetera, not a
|> political viewpoint.  Unfortunately, this means that you can't possibly be
|> right in stating that "conservative" has a political meaning in England
|> and Scotland.

With all due respect, this is incorrect.   "Conservative" is used
in the UK in the political sense.    It *might* be used in the
ecological sense, but I think "conservationist" is more common.

jon. 
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:59:09 GMT



henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
  >>why not soc.motss.classic ... in fact, why not just two groups:
  >>soc.motss.classic (for we, the merry cabalistas) and
  >>soc.motss.lusing-turistik-skum (for everyone else) ... 
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
 >	"we"?????
 >	Hmmm... maybe soc.motss.wewhothinkweareinthecabal.... ???
 >	(I won't say which of us this applies to... maybe both?)

How about soc.motss.cabal and soc.motss.noncabal?  If there was
sufficient agitation, soc.motss.anticabal could also happen.

I'd be really interested to see who'd prefer to post to
soc.motss.cabal and who'd go to soc.motss.noncabal.  

Of course, I probably wouldn't then go around telling people (with
stars in my keys) that *there* *is* *no* *cabal*.  I guess that
might make some people happy.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:13:03 GMT

I have no objection to the formation of such a group but I feel that
as Usenet is an international forum we need a talk.politics.usa
hierarchy to stick this group into. We now have too many USA specific
groups under the talk.politics hierarchy.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?
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From: berggren@hal.com (Trout B. Rainbow III)
Newsgroups: scruz.general,ba.general,ba.market.housing,ba.mountain-folk
Subject: TWO Rooms for Rent in Ben Lomond
Keywords: rooms, rental
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: berggren@hal.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
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In article <1haijvINNoou@hal.com>, berggren@hal.com (Trout B. Rainbow III) writes:
|> 
|> We have a big 4 bedroom house off Quail Hollow in Ben Lomond, and have one
|> room now, and another possibly on the first of the year, for rent.

Make that TWO rooms available, beginning January 1st, 1993.

It's a large house, there's a hot tub, wood-stove in the kitchen/dining/
den area, a fireplace and pool table in the living room.  Big lot--
potential gardening space, lots of storage.  We're a pretty cheerful lot,
prone to relaxation and good times.

We are myself (computer engineer) and my fiance (student), another computer
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We have a golden retriever (Phyneas the Wonder Dog).  If you have a dog, that's
fine.  Cats are OK, if they're not prone to marking their territory in the LR.

We aren't exactly a cooperative, but we try to cooperate with each other in
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The rooms are both $305 per month, and there is a deposit of $500 (this will
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Please call us:  Heather, Harry, Chuck, if you're interested or know of someone
who might be:  408-336-3567.  At work, the phone is 408-379-7000, x1310.
The address is 134 Vista Robles, off Quail Hollow.

Happy New Year!

-HairBear
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From: berggren@hal.com (Trout B. Rainbow III)
Newsgroups: scruz.general,ba.general
Subject: Rooms for Rent in Ben Lomond
Keywords: rooms, rental
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:36:15 GMT
Reply-To: berggren@hal.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.hal.com


We have a 4 bedroom house off Quail Hollow in Ben Lomond, and have one
room now, and another possibly on the first of the year, for rent.
It's a large house, there's a hot tub, wood-stove in the kitchen/dining/
den area, a fireplace and pool table in the living room.  Big lot--
potential gardening space, lots of storage.  

We are myself (computer engineer) and my fiance (student), another computer
engineer (M).  We're looking for a student or professional, male or female.
We have a golden retriever (Phyneas the Wonder Dog), and some of us smoke 
(smoking in the house can be negotiated!--pro or con).

We aren't exactly a cooperative, but we try to cooperate with each other in
our living arrangements.  We try to keep the eating on a healthy basis, and
require that our roommates be open minded and tolerant and considerate of 
the others in the house.  No other restrictions apply:  you're free to do and
be what you want!

The rooms are both $305 per month, and there is a deposit of $500 (this will
go to the people currently moving out--they bought a house in BC!).

Please call us:  Heather, Harry, Chuck, if you're interested or know of someone
who might be:  336-3567.  The address is 134 Vista Robles, off Quail Hollow.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
-HairBear



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From: ezf@eff.org (Ed Frankenberry)
Subject: car for sale: 1987 Camry LE with 65k miles
Summary: selling comfortable, reliable car
Originator: ezf@eff.org
Keywords: white 4-door sedan automatic moonroof A/C
Organization: [guest account]
Distribution: pgh
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:43:21 GMT

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From: hoffman@cs.pitt.edu (Bob Hoffman)
Newsgroups: pgh.food
Subject: Where is My Dung?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:45:23 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

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	Thanks,
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From: bb@math.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Re: dimmer for lights
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:17:00 GMT
Distribution: fl
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics

> We have a large 10 foot tree -- and there are 2800 lights using
> about 2.2 kilowatts.  What can I use as a dimmer for the lights?

At that wattage on that size tree, you might need to dim it with a
firehose (snicker).


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From: overlord@megalith.miami.fl.us (Carlos Amezaga [Postmaster])
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: Re: dimmer for lights
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Quoted from <BB.92Dec21221700@tyche.math.ufl.edu> by bb@math.ufl.edu (Brian Bartholomew):
> > We have a large 10 foot tree -- and there are 2800 lights using
> > about 2.2 kilowatts.  What can I use as a dimmer for the lights?
> 
> At that wattage on that size tree, you might need to dim it with a
> firehose (snicker).
> 

	Oh boy, this is getting good. :-)

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From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: dimmer for lights
Newsgroups: fl.general
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:24:26 GMT
Distribution: world
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larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> We have a large 10 foot tree -- and there are 2800 lights
> using about 2.2 kilowatts.  What can I use as a dimmer for
> the lights?  Most dimmers are rated at 500 watts -- what
> (and how much) are dimmers (and Home Depot doesn't stock
> anything larger) that handle larger loads?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
> keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry

You may need to go to a wire wound rheostat.  Try contacting an electronics
store.  

As an alternative, try splitting the strands into groups that each would
satisfy the need to be less then 500 watts, then get a dimmer for each
strand.

Ben
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