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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:33:15 CDT
From:         CBush <$L$LB3G@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Citeread: FTP from where?

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Peter Junger mentions the program CITEREAD for filtering out
"computer droppings" -his phrase :) - He said that it was
available from several FTP sites.  Which ones?

CBush <$L$LB3G@LUCCPUA>
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:17:07 CDT
From:         Ernest Perez <EPEREZ@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
Subject:      OBI1 - ONLINE BOOK INITIATIVE

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I've run across messages with a bit more detail about an electronic text
compilation project called the Online Book Initiative. Also used FTP to
explore the directories and content lists of the world.std.com server, in
directory /obi. I thought PACS-L subscribers would be interested in learning
about this effort.

I include below two extracts from text of the OBI2 message following this
introductory message. Text contents of OBI2 are forwarded by permission of
author Barry Shein, of Software Tool & Die.

--------------extract starts---------------------------

[ERNEST NOTE***> A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE]

>The Online Book Initiative has been formed to make available freely
>redistributable collections of information. There exists huge
>collections of books, conference proceedings, reference material,
>catalogues, etc. which can be freely shared. Some of it is in
>machine-readable form, much of it isn't.
>
>The purpose of the Online Book Initiative is to create a publicly
>accessible repository for this information, a net-worker's library.
>
>Information in the Online Book Repository will be available for free
>redistribution. On-line access, magnetic media and other methods of
>distribution will involve reasonable charges for the services
>provided, not the information.


[ERNEST NOTE***> CALL FOR PARTICIPATIVE INVOLVEMENT]

>We need to get in touch with Library and Information Scientists
>interested in helping us create formats and structures for organizing
>the repository.
. . .
>We need people willing to participate in a Technical Advisory Board to
>help us guide our efforts.
. . .
>We need involvement from the technical community to choose and
>implement multi-media software standards such as hypertext, mark-up
>languages, index and catalogue software, text retrieval, network
>access methods and more. Standards are critical to our efforts.

-----------------------------------------

Please see the OBI2 following message for Barry Shein's text about the Online
Book Initiative.

- Ernest Perez

..............................
Ernest Perez, Ph.D
Access Information Associates
2183 Buckingham, Suite 106
Richardson TX 75081
214-530-4800
INTERNET: eperez@utdallas.edu
  BITNET: eperez@utdallas
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:40:45 CDT
From:         JULIUS ARIAIL <SOLIBJA@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>
Subject:      Casual instructions

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In response to an earlier message about casual instructions such as
"this is self-explanatory" and "just play around with it," I think those
sorts of instructions have a valid place when you are trying to get someone
to become familiar with a system where the instructions are either on the
screen or in an on-line help file.  We are introducing several new CD
products on our LAN now, and each one uses different searching software.
This would seem to be a great training dilemma, until you realize that the
searching software is designed to be self-instructional.  After all, just
after you finish a mammoth class in searching XYZ database and send out all
the happy students ready to search up a storm, in will walk a new student
who will promptly sit down and want to do the same thing without benefit of
class time.

I think that if people _think_ they need a massive class before they begin
to use some of these products, they will never use them.  But if they see
that by playing around with the system and READING THE ON-SCREEN
INSTRUCTIONS (never a simple task, alas) they can learn to navigate quite
well, or at least to a certain plateau where a detailed manual would begin
to make sense, then we can concentrate on the individual instructional
sessions on advanced topics and leave the intros to the users themselves.

Julius Ariail, Director of Libraries  solibja@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
Georgia Southern University           Statesboro, Georgia  30460
"...and gladly would he learn, and gladly teach."
  --Chaucer's Oxford Clerk, General Prologue to the Canterbury Tales
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:34:12 CDT
From:         Connee Chandler <chandler@csn.org>
Subject:      BCR Internet Classes in CO,UT,KS and IA

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BCR OFFERS "The Internet: a Practical Introduction for
Librarians"

The Bibliographical Center for Research (BCR) in Denver,
a five-state, non-profit, library cooperative network, is
offering a series of hands-on Internet workshops in
Colorado, Utah, Kansas, and Iowa.

The following full day agenda will be followed:

I.  Internet: Introduction
     A. The Internet: What it is, What it isn't
     B. Brief history and future: ARPAnet to NREN
     C. Ethics & Etiquette

II. Telnet (Remote Login)
     A. Telnet on the Internet
          1. Library Catalogs
          2. Online Services
     B. Finding Library Catalogs: HYTELNET

III.  Basic UNIX for Internet Travellers
     A. UNIX, What is it, Why you care
     B. Basic UNIX Commands

IV.  File Transfer Protocol (FTP)
     A. Using FTP
     B. Using Archie to Find File Locations
     C. Using XMODEM or Kermit to Download FTP'd Files
     D. File Compression

V.   Electronic Mail
     A. Mail Programs & Editors
     B. Addressing Electronic Mail

VI.  Computer Conferencing
     A. BITNET Mailing Lists
     B. Internet Mailing Lists
     C. USENET Newsgroups

Each class is limited to 8-10 attendees and held from
9:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M. The cost is $85 for BCR members
and $110 for non-members.  A $10 discount for early
registration is available.  Connee Chandler, BCR's
Manager of Reference Systems & Services, is the
instructor for all these classes.  Call (800) 397-1552 to
register. If you want to register by e-mail, send a
message to bcrrss@csn.org requesting the registration
form.

The following dates and locations are scheduled:

     October 21                    Salt Lake City, UT
     December 2                    Wichita, KS
     Sept 28, Nov 6, Dec 16        Denver, CO
     Jan 6 and 7                   Ames, IA

Additional workshops and on-site training may be
scheduled.  Call Connee Chandler for details.

Connee Chandler
bcrrss@csn.org
(800)397-1552
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:09:55 CDT
From:         dennis reynolds <DREYNOL@american.edu>
Subject:      Internet Access Options/Practices & Training

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am preparing a paper for presentation at the LITA National Conference next
month, on the subject of Internet access options & practices, and the overall
training environment.  I am putting out this call for information, anecdotes,
etc. pertaining to four specific points, and I would greatly welcome any and
all comments.  I will summarize the results in one way or another on the list.
Here are the four things I am seeking info about, and many thanks in advance:

(1) any instances where universities have begun to charge their own faculty
    and students for Internet access;

(2) practices of universities regarding giving or selling Internet access
    ("guest accounts") to individuals or organizations not directly affiliated
    with the university -- and if charging, how much; and have the practices
    changed during the past year or two?

(3) examples of non-university options for Internet access, the pricing, and
    who is or is not eligible to participate if any restrictions apply;

(4) training -- does there now exist or is there emerging an Internet training
    niche industry?  Some university libraries and computer centers and
    corporations have in-house training for their own staff/employees, but
    what I am after here are more entrepreneurial examples of organizations or
    individuals offering Internet training....my organization is providing
    such training, what others are?

Thanks again for your assistance on any or all of the above!

Dennis Reynolds             e-mail: dreynol@american.edu
Executive Director          voice: (202)331-5771
CAPCON Library Network      fax: (202)797-7719
Washington, D.C.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:34:48 CDT
From:         "Sue Beidler, Lycoming College" <beidler@shrsys.hslc.org>
Subject:      PC replacement schedule?

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We are in the process of developing a college-wide policy on
replacing/upgrading PCs.  I know the "rule-of-thumb" is replacing
every three years(if you're being very generous) to five years, but
some people in the college community are skeptical that this is
necessary.

Could someone point me to a written "standard" or recommendation in
the literature?

Please reply to me directly, not to the list.  Thanks for your
help.
*******************************************
Sue Beidler
Collection Management Services Librarian
Snowden Library
Lycoming College

e-mail: beidler@shrsys.hslc.org
voice:  (717) 321-4084
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:08:13 CDT
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Project Gutenberg in the Chronicle

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The August 12, 1992, _Chronicle of Higher Education_ contains an article
on Project Gutenberg on pages A15-A16.  It includes a photo of Michael Hart
and a great deal about him and the project that I had not previously gleaned
from either Pacs-l or Gutnberg lists.  Whatever any individual's opinions
are on the project, the article is well worth reading.  Besides, it is
always interesting to see a photo of a person you only know electronically.
Prof. Hart is younger and less hirsute than I had imagined.  8-)

dan

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* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:41:25 CDT
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From:         "Clyde W. Grotophorst" <WALLYG%fen1.gmu.edu@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Subject:      Where to 'ftp' Citeread...

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
CiteRead, InfoPop, BIBL and BIBL/NET are available via ftp from

gmuvax2.gmu.edu

in the library directory


ftp gmuvax2.gmu.edu
username: anonymous
password: YourEmailAddress
cd library
bget citeread.zip
bye

if bget doesn't work for you, just set mode to binary then issue
a normal get.


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| Voice: (703) 993-2239   wallyg@fen1.gmu.edu     BBS:(703) 993-2219|
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:19:36 CDT
From:         Diane Hillmann <DH5@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Subject Headings for Gopher Virtual Library
              18 Aug 1992 08:10:22 CDT from <billy@sol.acs.unt.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I'd like to add some comments on the use of LC Subjects as an organizing
approach:

It seems to me that using LC subjects might not do for you what you
want.  If you want a hierarchical setup you'd be much better off with LC
classification (or Dewey, for that matter).  LC is currently exploring
the possibility of transferring the LC classifications to the new MARC
Classification Format, which has some real possibilities for the kind of
use you're considering.  Part of the format is designed to link to
controlled and uncontrolled subject terms, which gives it the
flexibility to link to LCSH, AAT plus the back-of-the-book indexes to
the classifications.

Unfortunately, there is not yet a machine-readable version of the
classifications, and it will likely be some time yet before they are
available.  You might want to get in touch with Rebecca Guenther at LC's
Network Development and MARC Standards Office or post to
USMARC-L@maine.maine.edu for further information.

Diane I. Hillmann
Cornell Law Library
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:18:37 CDT
From:         "Bill Drew-Serials/Reference Librar. SUNY Morrisville"
              <DREWWE@snymorva.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Boolean & Probabilistic

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I have sat back for awhile watching this discussion of relevance and different
search modes.  I personally prefer boolean because I can adjust the amount I
want filtered out.  Using packages that use the number of times a particular
word appears in the text seem foolish and possibly misleading to me.  Quite
often I have done a search on systems using boolean in keyword or free text and
have found items of immense use where the keyword only appeared once in the
record.  If I had used a ranking based on SOMEONEELSE'S idea of how I think I
never would have gotten the information.  Serendipity would be lost.

Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill")   Serials/Reference/Computers Librarian
State University of New York  College of Agriculture and Technology
P.O. Box 902;  Morrisville, NY 13408-0902
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Any opinions expressed here are mine and are subject to change without notice.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:17:38 CDT
From:         "Peter D. Ward" <USERSSC2@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      LC non-books tape Number 8

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
LC's enclosure material for their non-books bibliographic
tape, 8th issue, is incorrect. It appears that they
redistributed the previous issue's (number 7's) enclosure
under the new title of issue 8. Consequently, there is no
way to verify that the number of records found on the issue
8 tape is correct. Has anyone else read this tape, and if
so, do your record counts agree with the following:

VISUAL RECORDS: 127 LOGICAL
MAP    RECORDS: 1,152 LOGICAL
SERIAL RECORDS: 12,547 LOGICAL
MUSIC  RECORDS: 2,551 LOGICAL

Thanks,
Peter.D.Ward@um.cc.umich.edu
313-665-3520
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From:         lev gonick f <lgonick6@mach1.wlu.ca>
Subject:      Cinetic Mail Manager

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A short time ago reference was made to a product called Cinetic Mail
Manager. I have been trying to track down a source for this windows product.
Any help out there> Anybody else have good reviews of windows based mail
managers.

Thanks -
Lev Gonick
lgonick6@mach1.wlu.ca
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:37:57 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      National Agricultural Library Document

From: Thomas Edward Weir <tweir@wam.umd.edu>

The National Agricultural Library (NAL) is preparing a program
planning document for systematically managing data in electronic
form.  In some cases NAL will physically acquire the data, in
other cases, NAL will provide pointers in its OPAC to data held
by others.  The planning document will include policies and
procedures for acquisition, cataloging, storage and preservation,
and distribution for the data or pointers to the data.  The data
may be electronic publications such as e-journals or other text
files.  The data may be unpublished data such as research data
from experiments or other data gathering activities.  The data
may be acquired from or stored on a commercial CD-ROM, an on-line
source, magnetic tape, or other media.

What we are looking for now are formal or informal procedures,
planning documents, and such from other institutions with similar
goals.

We are interested in:

+  collections development statements for electronic data,

+  policies and procedures for processing and cataloging the data
   (e.g., are all "works" on a CD-ROM cataloged or only the CD-
   ROM itself),

+  policies and procedures for handling and preservation of the
   physical media used for storage (e.g., CD-ROMs, laser disks,
   optical disks, magnetic tapes),

+  policies and procedures regarding on-site and off-site patron
   access to data,

+  and policies and procedures for document distribution (e.g.,
   do you distribute printed versions from CD-ROMS on request,
   floppy disk versions?).

If there is sufficient response, I will post a summary of the
replies.


TED WEIR
Graduate Student Cooperative
National Agricultural Library/University of Maryland

INTERNET: tweir@wam.umd.edu
VOICE:    (301) 504-6154
FAX:      (301) 504-7473
MAIL:     Information Systems Division
          National Agricultural Library (5th Floor)
          Beltsville, MD  20705-2351
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:18:08 CDT
From:         Diann=Jabusch%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@bigbird.will.uiuc.edu
Subject:      Online Database descriptions

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Help, I'm new to accessing Internet-Accessible databases and catalogs.  I have
FTP'd the "UNT's Accessing On-line Bibliographic Databases" and I can't wait
to start.  But where?  How do I find a description as to what all these
databases have to offer?

WILL Radio is the National Public Radio member station at the University of
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.  The reporters at our station are interested
specifically in databases that will support reporting news in the following
areas:  government/politics, education, agriculture, business, healthcare.

Any assistance will be appreciated.


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  University of Illinois
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:20:08 CDT
From:         USENET News System <news@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject:      Prospect Research on the Net

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L. Thanks, Dana

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From: 35007_321@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gord Nickerson)
Subject: Prospect Research on the Net
Organization: SLIS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:18:36 GMT

I am interested in hearing from librarians or information workers engaged in
prospect research for universities. In particular i would like to know if
any are using the Internet:

what sources/sites were found useful
sources of business information on the net
uses for campus wide information systems
other sources of online information (dialog, etc)
any listservs or newsgroups for workers in this area

please reply by email and i will summarize and post to those interested

thanks
gord
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:10:39 CDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      1990 Census (Second Edition)

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The second Project Gutenberg edition of the 1990 US census has been posted:
(Complete with national, regional, and divisional summaries and listings.)

Aug 1992 The 1990 US Census (2nd)  (uscen902.xxx)

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (not from 10 AM to 5 PM)

(These 1992 etext releases in> cd /etext/etext92)

Available soon on simtel20, quake.think.com, NPTN


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
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