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From: terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Bill who?)
Subject: Re: New Mexico conditions in February????
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Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152630.20626@edsr.eds.com>, hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes...
>>>I wils be going skeeing in news Mexico next year for the firsted time
>>>(parents is paying, always do) in February if my professors at the
>>>Universecity of Texass let me out oof med school fer a weak!
>>>
>>>Can somebody tels me what the snow depth will be and where all the hot
>>>babes will be at. also, does anybody no where there is a paarty that
>>>nite? My dog has been readin the latest issue of PoWder mAg to me and
>>>I  am raedy. 
>>>
>>>leroy
> 
>There will be exactly 93 inches of snow, midway, at Taos in February.  The
>weather will be clear, but a chilly 20 degrees.  Lift lines will be ten
>minutes at most.  All the babes will be at my house.  The party starts at
>7:00 pm.  Remember that you need a passport to enter New Mexico from the
>US, and that they don't speak English here.  Oh, and the lifts are powered
>by burros.
> 
>h. kelly shuldberg
>hkelly@edsr.eds.com
>Albuquerque, NM


Wow Kelly, you're alive! Could you make this report true for Christmase weekend
please. I'll be in Santa Fe and would make the "effort" to drive all the
way to Taos!

You are getting mellow though; not a single flame for my spelling! Must be age.

Bill

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:56:54 GMT

In article <daved.713718294@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com
(David Dorfman) writes:
>>Heliskiing is without question, one of the most hazardous sports on earth:
>>the bird can crash, you can have avalanches since the skiing is in a less
>>controlled area, you can hit trees (most frequent lethal until recently),
>>you can fall into crevaces, off cliffs, etc.
>
>I'll second that , For a true perspective on Heli Skiing check the back issues
>of sports illustrated for a long article on heli skiing.

I will (when I get off the phone with the TAC). ;^)
Sounds interesting.

>Most days are overcast and have very low visibility which drives the skiers
>into the trees for the required visibility. Once in the trees the major
>danger is hitting the trees or getting stuck in the tree wells
>( depressions in the snow under trees ) and suffocating to death. 

My one real close meeting with a tree well resulted in a broken arm,
a broken leg, two cracked ribs, and "LOG."  That was at a resort fortunately.
I have an idea what its like to suffocate as well.  But those are
individual fatalities.  I have also seen a bird autogyrate down at a resort.

A pilot hitting a slope or tree can kill from 1 to 14 people depending on the
size of the chopper.  As a passenger, you have no control.  Your odds
of survival diminish as other factors enter in
(time of day, nearness of other helicopters, etc.).  I had a friend who wasted
a helicopter in Alaska (the NSF foot the bill).  The flying (frequent
temporary white outs) is among the hardest in the world (maybe a night landing
on an aircraft carrier is harder).  Heliskiing is not for the weak at heart.

>Still, I'd try it.

When one gets good enough, and if the price of fuel isn't too high, it's
not bad.  There are little compromises which provide advantages.
It's obnoxious to X-C'ers in many areas and it will get even more interesting
when it reaches $1,000 a day.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <397@mx1>, clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:
|> I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:

 Hmm, this probably excludes me but what the hell:
|> 
|> What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
|> on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
|> and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?

 I like brown- it makes "flouro" colours stand out very brightly so
that piste markers, warning posts and people in neon ski gear are very
easy to notice. For some reason there seems to be a correlation between
neon ski gear & the skiers I want to spot a long way off...

 This probably matters a lot less if you are skiing cross-country or
off-piste.

	W.
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Cuchara Ski Resort
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:14:21 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: ISSC Boulder

From today's Denver Post:

Cuchara Ski Resort to reopen
----------------------------

Cuchara is Colorado's southernmost ski area, just off I-25 and US 160.  It was
purchased by Dick Davis, owner of General Electrodynamics Corp.  It has been
managed by RTC since 1990, and hasn't run since just before the beginning of
the '89-90 season.  Davis says, about the ski area and vicinity:

"It has become part of our lives...  It hasn't much to offer to the jet set.
But for a family, it is not only an economic value, but the scenery is God's
own handiwork."

The Post notes that, due to the late date of the sale, there isn't time for a
big marketing campaign, hence the first season will likely be slow (aw
shucks!), "Let's face it," Davis concludes, "We are talking about evolution,
not revolution."
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
ski bum, believer in the impossible                                ISSC Boulder
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From: julian@saxon.syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU (Mister Damage)
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Organization: CSIRO Division Of Wool Technology,Sydney
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:06:42 GMT


The only problem with Whistler/Blackcomb is the place is full of Aussies and
Kiwis. We seem to provide the most willing  Winter Slave Labour in the world.

The whole Nth American Kiss Butt attitude to good service is great.
Also dont forget the most AWESOME Double-Black run on Balckcomb:
Wizards World.... we worth travelling half way round the world for.

One hint: If you are from the US and you hear a Australian accent, pretend
you are Canadian. This goes double if you have a Aussie instructor .
Dont ask why, just do it or wear the consequences ;-)


I definitely want to go back soon....

Julian Dryden
Australia.

 
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From: julian@saxon.syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU (Mister Damage)
Subject: Re: Snow withdrawel
Organization: CSIRO Division Of Wool Technology,Sydney
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:38:07 GMT


There is plenty of SNOW in OZ and NZ. We are having a wonderful time.
Come on down.
Boarders most welcome.  


Oh it feels good to get one up on you guys, even if only for a few months :-)



Julian

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From: rjl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Reggie Lewis)
Subject: Skiing in Alps - March '93
Organization: UNIX(R) System Laboratories
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:11:00 GMT


I'm planning a ski trip to some part of the Swiss or Austrian Alps 
for the beginning of March 1993.  I'm not exactly sure what the best 
location will be in terms of weather.  I plan to spend about one week 
touring some city and then 3 or 4 days skiing.  

Can someone give me any reccomendations for an area in the Alps and 
also lodging preferrably within walking distance to ski areas.  Please
keep in mind that I'm thinking about ski conditions in the beginning
of March.

Please respond via e-mail, as I don't get to read news regularly.

Thanks for your help.

----------
Reggie Lewis

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From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)
Subject: Deep Start Barefoot anyone??
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:07:32 GMT

Well, I have decided to inflict pain and suffering on myself and try
to waterski barefoot.  Does anyone have any recommendations as to 
how to do this??


Thanks

brians
-- 
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153 N. Hayden Bay Dr.			 
Portland, Or 97217			   -Raiders of the Lost Ark
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From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Subject: Knees. . .
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:46:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


The only people I know that wear knee braces are ones that have already 
injured knees.  I am wondering if it is beneficial to wear knee braces to 
prevent injury in the first place?   If so, what brands, are they comfortable,
wear under or over ski pants, etc. etc. etc.

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note was Banff
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:22:05 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Aug12.161314.11639@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu
(David Leon) writes:
>I am still somewhat of a novice snow-skier.  What exactly is heli-skiing?

You need to get better first.
Heliskiing is: you shell out around $350 a day (or more) and take a lift
to the top of the mountain using a helicopter.  
Heliskiing is without question, one of the most hazardous sports on earth:
the bird can crash, you can have avalanches since the skiing is in a less
controlled area, you can hit trees (most frequent lethal until recently),
you can fall into crevaces, off cliffs, etc.

>Also, where can one go to get in on some summer skiing?  I've heard of
>New Zealand and some others.  Any suggestions?

Well summer skiing tends to be on glaciers.  It's winter in NZ.
But they must have some skiing in their summer.  In the US: Hood,
Canada: Blackcomb, Europe: various alpine areas.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:04:03 GMT

In article <BszGv7.95A@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU> julian@saxon.syd.dwt.CSIRO.AU (Mister Damage) writes:
>
>The only problem with Whistler/Blackcomb is the place is full of Aussies and
>Kiwis. We seem to provide the most willing  Winter Slave Labour in the world.

It's true...I wouldn't call it a "problem" though . You're all so _good_
at it...B-

>Also dont forget the most AWESOME Double-Black run on Balckcomb:
>Wizards World.... we worth travelling half way round the world for.

Wait a sec...where is Wizard's World? Don't tell me I missed one...B-)
Isn't that the kiddy play area? I only know of three (marked) double-blacks
in Wizard zone - Pakalolo, Cougar Chute, and the Saudan.

Damn, you people have me lusting for January now...and I was handling this
summer thing very well.


-- 
Marc Sira               |
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                        '
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: "Resorts" was Steamboat
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.153724.20188@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov
(Russ Brown) writes:
>However, Utah is great . . albeit a bit dry (beverage-wise).

I like this. (Driness)
I hope Utah reinstitutes Prohibition.  I'm not kidding on this.
This is a feature not a bug.
Good hardy family values people.

>But, best of all, ski Colorado.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.182930.15395@advtech.uswest.com> jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:
>till the snow flies. or goto new zealand.  or chile.  sadly enough, those

Or Australia.  But then again, no , ski NZ, it's already crowded enough here.

>last 2 options are not open to me.  i have to strap on the skis and tromp
>around my basement.  as far as "these kind of replies", well, phoo.  as 
>i stated above, it's summer.  we gotta blow off somehow.  ok?  ok.

Hey, I'm going off to Mt. Buller for 2 weeks tonight.  I'll ski some runs for
you.  It's not Ootah, but it'll do.

Have a nice summer :-)

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Banff
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:41:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

>In article <1992Aug11.193727.6498@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rob@goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu writes:
>> Two quick questions:
>>   - What are the best ski areas near Banff?
>>   - How early does the ski season begin there?

My ranking:

1)  Sunshine Village    (Best place for powder and interesting terrain.
                         Best choice when it is very cold, windy, or low
                         visibility because you can ski the lower mountain.
                         No snowmaking, so it has the best quality of snow.)
2)  Fortress            (Small, but very friendly.  No "extreme" terrain,
                         but lots of fun intermediate/advanced stuff.  The
                         second choice for powder (in the trees) and for
                         bad weather.)
3)  Norquay             (Only good skiing is off of one very slow chair,
                         but it is well worth it.)
4)  Lake Louise         (This is the mega-area.  Lots of terrain and some
                         fast chairs.  I have found the atmosphere and
                         attitude to be far less friendly than at any of the
                         others.  Has the most groomed intermediate stuff.
                         Relies heavily on snowmaking.)
5)  Nakiska             (Has problems with ice, high winds, and poor snow
                         coverage.  Lots of man-made snow.  Rumoured to be
                         very good _if_ you can catch it after a good dump.)

Fortress has for the past 4 years opened on the second weekend in November.
Be warned that only the frontside will be open (1 chair, 4 or 5 runs in all
categories) and the coverage may be spotty.  Reduced rate.  Probably stormy.

Sunshine and Lake Louise typically open on the next weekend, but only a few
of the chairs will be operating.

Norquay and Nakiska open in late November or early December.
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:46:57 GMT

mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg) writes:
>feel the same way. In BC I saw no backcountry skiiers - the areas we skied
>seemed to all be at least one day's ski away from the nearest trailhead.

One of my 'pinner colleagues helicoptored into a Canadian lodge with a
group of 20 or so 'pinner's.  The chopper left & this group 'pinned
their hearts out for a week all by themselves.  Richard...tell us more
of the real poop on your adventure.

>I understand that the Wasatch heli-ski operations ski a lot of terrain near
>the established resorts (e.g. backside of Snowbird). Why is this? I would
>think that there is a lot of good terrain only slightly further away that
>would be more aesthetic (i.e. remote) and equally exciting to ski.

The Wasatch Powderbirds is run by a greedy low brow sometime
entrepreneur who loves to stomp out of meetings with the Forest
Service & representatives of the local 'pinners screaming about how
he's going to go out of business.  Wish he would -- but he never seems
to follow thru with his favorite thread.  Anyway, flying far costs $$$
& their rates are fixed price.

Stingers should be legal equipment for 'pinners!!!

			!!!Heli-free Wasatch!!!
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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:33:37 GMT

In <397@mx1> clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:
>What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
>on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
>and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?

	I've tried out almost every colour of glasses there is
	during the last 16 years and for me there's only one 
	colour: Red. Contrast is superior to green (ray ban),
	yellow (shooting glasses, not exactly sunglasses...)
	and blue (custom, I don't recommend).
	'The Wings' by Bausch & Lomb are one of the best glasses
	I've ever tried and they offer protection from wind, too.
	
	...Just my opinion...

-Henri Helanto
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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snow withdrawel
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:06:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

You know it's getting bad when you have a dream about skiing Vermont in
August and there's snow on the ground!  (Had that one the other night,
sure wish Winter would come!)
 (I cured myself of this dream for a while by watching my Burton Snowboard
  Video a few hundred times!)

 - Kirk
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:25:59 GMT
	<1992Aug11.174722.27267@walter.cray.com>
	<1992Aug13.021507.26090@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

According to Snow Country, Whistler will cut greens and blues on the south side
mid-mountain (Redline and Quicksilver chairs).  No changes at Blackcomb.

BTW, Whistler/Blackcomb beat out Vail in this year's Snow Country reader
ranking to become the number 1 North American ski resort.
--
Steve Hultquist                                      ...a rippin' kinda dude...
"No, really, you don't want to ski Colorado..."                     Boulder, Co
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:39:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: yearly heliskiing note was Banff
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> You'd be a major fool to try to ski outside the line suggested by the heliski
> guide.  

And if you survive that, you'll wish you hadn't when the guide gets done
verbally abusing you in front of the group :-)


>    Also, there are many tree runs at the Monashees lodge of CMH that make
> the steepest tree run at Vail look flat.  Most of the skiing above treeline 
> though is pretty flat for obvious reasons.


I think it varies as to the area.  We skied a lot above treeline last year,
and it was steep.  My group alone triggered about 8 good-sized slides.  Even 
the guide took a ride.  

I guess I don't understand this fixation with steepness when there's unlimited
powder.  Unless you pick one of the cruiser areas (e.g. Bobbie Burns) there'll
be plenty enough challenge to keep your attention.

John

P.S. Vail doesn't have any real tree runs, but you should all ski there 
     anyway.  Based on the size of the lift lines, you already do!
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:18:03 GMT
	<1992Aug13.162022.1607@advtech.uswest.com> <634@dwp.la.ca.us>
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Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

no no no no!  Ski Lafayette!      :-)    :-)

(Colorado.  John's basement is there.)
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
ski bum, believer in the impossible                                ISSC Boulder
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Mexico conditions in February????
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:26:30 GMT
Organization: EDS Research

>>I wils be going skeeing in news Mexico next year for the firsted time
>>(parents is paying, always do) in February if my professors at the
>>Universecity of Texass let me out oof med school fer a weak!
>>
>>Can somebody tels me what the snow depth will be and where all the hot
>>babes will be at. also, does anybody no where there is a paarty that
>>nite? My dog has been readin the latest issue of PoWder mAg to me and
>>I  am raedy. 
>>
>>leroy

There will be exactly 93 inches of snow, midway, at Taos in February.  The
weather will be clear, but a chilly 20 degrees.  Lift lines will be ten
minutes at most.  All the babes will be at my house.  The party starts at
7:00 pm.  Remember that you need a passport to enter New Mexico from the
US, and that they don't speak English here.  Oh, and the lifts are powered
by burros.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
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