HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sleat@kpc.com (Michael Sleator)
Subject: Re: Anna Russell: I Gave My Love A Cherry
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:39:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug6.162947.14487@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>Anna did produce an album which was not music-oriented but had some 
>effective pithing of human foibles.   In describing a tribal hierarchy
>she refers to the "chief assistant to the assistant chief".....I 
>believe the album was entitled "Anna Russell in Darkest Africa".  If 

Hmmm... This exact same phrase occurs in Flanders and Swan's song, "The
Reluctant Cannibal".  Something like "...that a son of mine should be a
sissy!  Me, chief assistant to the assistant chief!"  There are other
good lines, such as when Francis (the reluctant cannibal) says, "I'll never
let another man past my lips!"

I was quite naive when I first heard this stuff, so all of the possible
interpretations didn't sink in.  (Because I wouldn't let them.  Naw, they
couldn't *really* mean *that*.)  Now it occurs to me to wonder if perhaps
Flanders and Swan might have been an item off stage as well as on.  I think
Michael Flanders died some years ago.  I don't know if their recordings
are still available.  "The Reluctant Cannibal" was recorded on "At the Drop
of A Hat",  or maybe on "At the Drop of Another Hat", both on Angel Records.

By the way, they were the creators of a number of animal songs which have
become fairly well known (don't you watch Sesame Street?), such as "The
Hippopotamus" (a.k.a. "Glorious Mud"), "I'm a Gnu", and so on.


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Exeunt, singing (to the tune of "All I want is a happy Hippopotamus..." (which
is not by Flanders & Swan, to the best of my knowledge)):

	All I want is a happy homosexual
	a happy homosexual
	a happy homosexual
	all I want is a happy homosexual
	to keep me companyyyy...
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug14.161959.12545
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug14.144652.18820@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>I wonder, though, George -- and I hope you'll take this in the
>friendly spirit in which it's intended -- whether what you've
>experienced is sometimes a bit of overreaction to the fact that you
>have a habit of being a mite assertive about your own tastes, at least
>in this venue. Know what I mean?

Let's just hope the Amiga evangelist doesn't have the same effect
on bears... :-)

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From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sometimes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:19:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

...I just want to smack members of the Het Set in my office.

We have a pretty new temp for secretary today, so they're all hanging around,
drooling and slobbering.  The comments are sometimes just this side of
harrassment.  Hmph.  All of this blatant heterosexualism...  If I even acted
REMOTELY like that there would be major seizures on the part of all and sundry,
even those who "aren't bothered."

[INSERT GAYS SHOULDN'T BE BLATANT TEXT HERE]

Of course, when contractors come into the office I am THINKING all of the
drooling and slobbering.  I just don't say it out loud.

Just feeling a little annoyed and political today.

D.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Soi-disant thangs (was Re: New queer terminology)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:55:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.153411.26201@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <letspretend@vadier.gr.osf.org>
> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
> >Indeed, I think "pretendu" is better than "soi-disant"
> >unless you have a talking penis.
> 
> All I can say, honey, is it talks to me!  And I've heard
> tell it talks to others behind my back!

Behind your back!?? This I gotta see.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Jeans 
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:39:00 GMT

In article <2-!nahj.jfh@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>I remember a discussion we had once, in a gas station, about blue
>jeans.  There are, he claimed, strong preferences for particular brands
>among different types of cowboys.  Urban cowboys tended to like one make, 
>rodeo cowboys another, and working cowboys a third, because of differences
>in fit and how they make they wearer look.  People in those different
>categories tend to have different body types as well. 

Levi's tend to age better, meaning they fade and soften faster. Most important
to me, though, is the fact that I have butt in Levi's, but seem to lose it
in Wranglers. All the Urban Cowboys here were Wranglers, and my boyfriend, who
rides straight/gay rodeo, wears Levis. (Of course he's 6'8", and that may
limit his choices...)

>I don't remember which is which now, although the brands we discussed were
>Levi's, Wrangler, and Lee's.  I do remember that we preferred different
>brands, but I'm not in any of the cowboy categories at all. 

I'm not too sure but I believe it's Levis for the Urban crowd, Wranglers
for the Rodeo crowd, and Lee's for the work crowd. 

>Wranglers feel more comfortable to me than Levi's, something which I regret
>- Levi Strauss is a local company, and one of the best corporate citizens
>there is.

I like the feel of Levis, they seem less rough.  Yes, Levi Strauss is a good
company....  (unlike BofA)


Shawn
From: jclander@maestro.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Republicans and Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/etc. Rights
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: jclander@maestro.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va

In today's (Thursday, August 20, 1992) _New_York_Times_, there is a front-page
story headed "Gay Rights and AIDS Emerging as a Divisive Issue in Campaign." 
While I won't quote the story in full, it states "the [Republican]
party made it clear that it would make its opposition to homosexual
rights a major issue in the campaign, portraying Bill Clinton and the
Democrats as wanting to give preferential treatment to gay men and lesbians."
Further in, there is a quotation from William Schneider of the American
Enterprise Institute (which is, I believe, normally referred to as a 
"conservative think tank), that "It [gay and lesbian rights] could be 
the wedge issue of the campaign, the Willie Horton issue."

Is anyone else angry? Upset? Scared?  I'm surprised at the strength of my
outraged reaction.  I have actually decided to give money to the Clinton/Gore
campaign, which would be the first campaign donation I have ever made. I suppose
I shouldn't be surprised at the homophobia of the Republican Party, but I
am. I've lived in a nice, comfortable world for too long.

On the other hand, if gays and lesbians (and I assume bisexuals, too, but
that b-word wasn't used in the story) are the Willie Horton of 1992, does that
mean I can call myself Auntie Willie?  (It's a little _Philadelphia_Story_,
but it'll do. I wouldn't mind the money or the house, although the available
men in the movie aren't, for some reason, my type.)

By the way, does anyone know how to get in touch with the Clinton/Gore
campaign?  If you do, could you send me email? (Posting's
OK, too, but it might be a waste of space.)

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org

No, MITRE didn't want me to say this, particularly.  I think they have to
be non-partisan.  They're certainly not responsible for this outburst.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu (Jay Glover)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:13:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.184543.8787@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> (I was going to change the Subject: header, but then I realized just how
> general "sexual attraction" is.)
> 
> In article <1992Aug14.020214.17310@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>>  [1 the prime directive:] people i love nonsexually are attractive to
>>me sexually;
> 
> Isn't this inconvenient?

Extremely!
 
> I noticed this myself recently. I figured it out when I fell for about
> the fourth straight male friend of mine. I also realized that I wish I
> weren't so homosexual so that I would enjoy being sexual with a female
> friend of mine.

I'm up to three straight friends and one gay friend myself.

> So what does this mean? Does it mean that I make friends with people
> who are sexually attractive, or is it that I tend to be sexually
> attracted to friends of mine? I don't know. What does one do when the
> inevitable problems occur?
>
> I'm also glad that I tend to love (nonsexually) people who I am
> sexually attracted to. I know people who like to have sex with one
> sort of person, but they are not capable of being friends with these
> people. I am happy that I am not this way.

The gay friend insists(ed) that there could be nothing between us 
because we were friends.  When I mentioned once that I was attracted
to the same "type" man as both friend and lover he told me that was
bad.  BTW, something did eventually happen between us, once, and 
nothing changed in our friendship.

I have a belief that the friend and lover concept isn't bad because
I firmly believe that for me to find someone who will be a life
partner, that person will have to be my best friend too.

Sorry this is dated somewhat, but I've been away from the net for 
a few days and this subject was just too relevant to the things going
on currently in my life and to my past attraction history.

 - jay g.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.205911.11111@tcsi.com> chuckm@claiborne.tcs.com (Chuck Meares) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.184931.19649@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>>kill them and start over.  hell, it worked for God.
>
>Jason,
>
>
>You sir, I definitely do NOT like.  

Oh. how utterly Kruel of you!  Poor Jake, I bet he's crushed, probably
won't be able to sleep for *WEEKS* over your rejection of him.  You
are real meanie.  I mean his life *MUST* revolve around your approval.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com

PS. Have you considered having your Kmart blue light special sense of
humor replaced by one that works?
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New queer terminology
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:13:04 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug17.071611.1663@news.Hawaii.Edu>
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.001835.11227@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>you've suggested that gay is something irrelevant, useless,
>>outmoded, inert, reactive rather than proactive,
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^

>Jess, I'm surprised at you.  I expect to hear this odious
>term from eager young thangs, but from a man of your
>judgment and taste!

While I laud your keen perceptions of my judgment and taste,
and while I claim to be among the purest, I'm not a purist
on such matters.  I don't understand while people rail
against "proactive" when there's such an obvious need for an
easy way to contrast with "(merely) reactive."  Of course,
"active" is that word, but not in the most common usage.
Purists appeal to dictionaries, I think at the wrong time.
"Proactive" is not in any dictionary I've seen, but I think
it's a neologism whose time is now.

Now, as to eager youth, that's a phenom I savor and applaud.
Eagerness is among my very favorite qualities.

As to "thang," I use that word exclusively to refer to the
male member (le membre soi-disant virile :-), rather than in
a more general sense as you just did.

Tee hee.

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From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:37:10 GMT
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <eyewash@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>jcav@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Buchanan smiled his horrifying Irish Catholic smile.  The audience roared
>>with laughter.  I felt like I was going to throw up.
>
>Normally it doesn't bother me if people say Irish when they mean
>Irish-American.  But here I really must protest.  While in Ireland we
>have our fair share of fascist arch-Catholics, none of them comes
>anywhere near Buchanan either in polished hypocrisy or in dangerous
>power.  There's nobody Irish that is as horrifying as Buchanan.

I pondered for a good while before I decided not to remove "Irish Catholic"
from my article.  I did _not_ intend to imply that Buchanan's extraordinary
internal and external darkness are inherent in Irish, Irish-Americans or
Catholics in general.  I should have been more restrained in my choice of
language, but Buchanan makes me SO ANGRY!  I guess what disturbs me most is
how he spouts his joyful hatred in such jokey terms -- phrases like "Israel's
Amen-corner in the Congress", etc.  And that _smile_ of his...  <shiver>

I apologize to Eamonn and to any others who were offended by my words.

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the voice
Date: 17 Aug 1992 10:03:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.132455.6049@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> i hate to be a wet-blanket *scientist* here, but people's *opinions*
> as to what constitutes the gay voice are probably utterly worthless.

Now just you wait a second, there, buster.  What's so unscientific
about "euphonious", "melodious", "deep"?

> it's like asking people what constitutes a boston accent or a female
> voice or black street speech.  ordinary people don't have a serviceable
> conceptual world here; they literally do not know how to hear, and
> they don't have appropriate terminology even for what they think they
> do hear.  this is a matter for real laboratory research.

You wrote before that preliminary work has been done.  I'd be curious
to read something *scientific* on this topic, should you care to
recommend something.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: sexual attraction and paraphilias
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:39:06 GMT

Nelson Minar writes:
>ObDish: What's there in common between Sim Aberson and Robert Coren?

Nelson, you DO get around, don't you!  Such energy!  Such stamina!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: seeking info on Imlac Composer
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:39:10 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

 >(Note well, Nelson, only software can be queer without being
 > gay, lesbian, or bi. :-)

I resemble that remark.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Babs Bush
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:36:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I don't know if it was a good or pathetic:  Barbara Bush was wearing the red
ribbon at the convention last night.  Why don't we bump the bozo and elect
the Babs?  Makes nore sense.

AND AND AND!!  How 'bout Georgie, taking FULL CREDIT for the Fall of the Wall
and the disolution of the U.S.S.R.  "I saw an opportunity to free our
children from the fear of nuclear holocaust, and I siezed it."

PuhLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE.

D.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Parents...Ugh
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:13:29 GMT

Terrance Heath (heath@athena.cs.uga.edu) wrote:
 
> 	I almost want to apologize for posting this here, but I've got
> to get this out.

This is the place for it.  I wish I could offer some really
wise advice, but all I can do is to encourage you.  It sounds
like you've been really strong so far, and I hope that strength 
will carry you through, whatever your trip home brings.

Mike Drayton
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Robert Bernardo  (1952-1992)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:33:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Dear Motsser,

It's with deep regret that I must tell you about the passing of my
best and closest friend, Rob Bernardo.  I've known Rob for several
years and delighted in his postings on the Net, his gatherings held at
his home, and the private times that he and I shared together.

Many of you have had the pleasure of meeting Rob in person and all of
you know him for his postings.  Rob was a *.motss regular who was
inciteful, humerous, and held strong opinions.  Not everyone agreed
with him, but nearly everyone enjoyed reading his postings.  Rob was
famous for holding soirees at his "ranch" in Concord where many Bay
Area motssers gathered.  He also was a regular at dinners held for
visiting motssers who got to taste Bay Area hospitality.  Rob loved
his horse Oriana, CW dancing, and rodeo.  He was a Unix programmer in
cowboy boots and hat.

Rob learned of his HIV status a couple of years ago and had been under
teatment since then.  Up until a few weeks ago his health had been OK.
From about the middle of June Rob felt weaker.  On July 23 Rob had been
given a preliminary diagnosis of PCP and he called me to be with him
and to administer infusion medication at home.  After a couple of days
his condition worsened and I took Rob to the hospital where he was
admitted.

Rob had finally received a positive diagnosis for PCP a week ago
Tuesday, after having been in the hospital for more than a week.  By
this time his sister Claire had arrived and we took turns comforting
Rob at his bedside.  Rob did not respond to the medication given to
him and his health continued to decline.

A number of Bay Area motssers as well as some folk from far away were
able to visit Rob while he was still responsive.  Some people visited
on near-daily basis.  This meant a lot to Rob as he was afraid that he
would enter the hospital and he would feel terribly alone.

The end came peaceful to Rob.  On Thursday afternoon around 2:40 pm
PDT, he suffered cardiac arrest while in a coma-like state.  His
sister, his therapist, and I were there holding his hands, stroking
his forehead, and expressing our love for him as he passed from us.

Rob is survived by his sister Claire and her family in Great Neck, NY.
And by his mother, Betty, of New Hyde Park, NY.  A funeral is planned
for Monday, August 17 in New Hyde Park.  (Send e-mail if you want to
attend and need directions.)  A memorial service is being planned for
Saturday, September 26 to be held at Rob's house in Concord.  After a
short service, we would like to have the kind of barbeque that Rob was
famous for holding at the R Bar JB.  More information will be
forthcoming.

I will miss my friend greatly.

Chuck
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: mandatory service
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:19:14 GMT


In a previous article, gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) says:

>  [followups to soc.men and soc.women]
>
>km> Kelley Miller
>
>km> There is no public university, anywhere in the U. S., that can't be at-
>km> tended on govt. grants and loans.
>
>  You forget that men must be registered for the draft to receive these loans
>  and grants. I wonder how many women students would be willing to give up
>  any of these loans/grants they recieve as a form of protest against this
>  sexist policy.
>
I don't forget this for a moment.  Simply, if they want these grants and
loans, they have no chioce but to register.  That still doesn't make the 
draft right.  And you're also correct that protest as they might, women are 
not going to surrender their grants and loans on this issue.

But that's not the point here.

The point is that after operation "Desert Shame" a number of groups repre-
senting poor and minority groups stated vocally that the military was
a discriminatory organization as, being all volantary, only the poor
and minority people joined it, as it was their only option, to which I
respond, I was poor, and I went to college, not to the military.

No one was holding a gun to the head of these people, forcing them to
join, they did it of their own free will, knowing the risk, and with
other alternitives available.  They can blame their position on no
one else.

Now comes a group saying a universal draft would make things more even.
I responded that a draft is wrong, and away we went.

Oh well...
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