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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Clinton , another Johnson
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:48:07 GMT

In article <Brsyq1.8p6@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin
S.) writes:
> 
> If Clinton becomes the president of this country , he would be another JFK
> in the pages of history. But I am pretty sure with the power that CIA has 
> he would not be elected. Bush has another 4 years to _serve_ this country
> and he is not _easy_ to defeat, well maybe after this next four years. 
> 
> But as they say , keep your fingers crossed and let's hope for ,if not the
> best, better .
> 
> Ramin

I just can't stop myself anymore. I was going to leave this topic alone
but I must say some things about it.

1. Clinton and Bush are NOT that different on foreign policy, in my
opinion. Clinton keeps talking about such things as cutting back
military spending abroad and building the American standard of living.
If you think Bush's policies have not been directed toward boosting the
American standard of living then you are way off base. What Clinton is
proposing is the same as Bush; screw the rest of the world and put
Americans first. A country's standard of living is raised at the expense
of others, plain and simple, in my opinion. Furthermore, cutting
assistance to our economic partners by severing their military subsidy,
however you feel about the stupidity of military spending, will get back
to us in other ways; the balance can not simply be broken in our favor.

2. The U.S. media is traditionally slanted toward the liberal side of
the spectrum and will tend to over predict the popularity of more
liberal candidates. Following the 1990 Senate race in North Carolina,
one got the impression that Jesse Helms' opponent was running even with
him but Jesse beat him soundly when the votes were counted (approx. 60%
to Helms). You can blame this phenomenon on the CIA but I see it as
blindness by the media.

3. More than anything, what determines whether a candidate will win in
November is how the voters feel economically. Bush will win if enough
people are not POed enough to vote otherwise.

4. Given the 2:1 margin of Democrats to Republicans who signed the
Mojahedin's Statement on Iran it would be reasonable to say that if you
are a supporter of the Mojahedin vote Democrat. If you want the same
posture toward Iran, vote Republican. If you want positive change, pray.

5. I think Clinton is more likely to be another LBJ than a JFK :-)

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amir@zeus.franklin.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: How the government can help.
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.140652.13362@ncsu.edu> hernlem@che14.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>Amir Taghavi writes:
>***
>Before this discussion gets any further, I would like to mention some major
>problems that have been going on in our(Iranian) society. As long as we have
>these problems in Iran, we will not be able to solve our economic problems.
>
>[...]
>
>2- Black market of any kind. e.g. money, grocery and etc.
>
>[...]
>
>****
>
>I disagree, to some extent. Black markets are manifestations of attempts
>by governments to control prices or supplies of commodities. The black
>market is not the problem but a result of the problem. Of course, people
>who take advantage of the black market to gouge consumers are no better
>than thieves and they are a problem. And those that divert commodities
>through the assistance of corrupt officials compound the problem even
>further because they drive the value of goods up even higher by taking
>them out of the supply.
>

Dear Brad;

I am not sure that, how much you know bout the Black Market in Iran.
Black market in Iran is quite different than U.S. Black market. 
In U.S., black market is mainly done by government just to monopolize
the prices of goods in Stockmarket for global economic purpose. 

Iranian black market is slightly different than U.S. black market.Iranian
black market is usually done by the member of government in an unusuall
way. It is almost like covert operation, that nobody knows about it and
it is done under table( just an expression). Well there are always, some
people in every government that they use the power of their position
just for their own personal gain. e.g. O. North, J. Poindexter, 
H. Kissinger and list goes on and on.  We have had some people like this
in our government too.

**** Warning: This is only a constructive criticism on behalf of Iranian
	      government. It is not a promotion toward MKO.  MKO, please
	      DO NOT take an advantage of this. 


Best regard
Amir Taghavi
From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Alleged membership of Bahais in the MKO.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:53:46 GMT

bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:

>Recently, a supporter of the terrorist group MKO stated that the organization
>has some Bahai members.  (Before going any further, let me stress that I
>have no idea at all whether that is correct or not).
[stuff deleted]

The above is another example of typical lies of Behnam Sadeghi.
No one has said that the Mojahedin have Baha'i members. (It was
stated that some members of the NLA were Baha'is.)

By the way, he was asked to provide some reference for one of
his earlier lies (that the Mojahedin had declared support for
ceratin government). What happened? Are you embarrassed to cite
Keyhan Havaii?

A recommendation to Khomeini supporters: it is better if you
not use words like "terrorism," "kidnapping," "hostage-taking,"
etc., as these words have become aliases of the Khomeini regime.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iranian cleric expresses concern for Bosnian Muslims
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:46:16 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali
Khamenei expressed concern Wednesday about the massacre of Muslims in
Bosnia-Hercegovina, but acknowledged that his country was not doing
enough to help them.
	Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency monitored in Athens
quoted Khamenei as saying the European states ``are a party to the
annihilation of Muslims in Bosnia-Hercegovina.''
	In a speech to a group of clerics in Tehran, Khamenei said: ``We are
deeply concerned about the fate of our brotherly Muslim people in
Bosnia-Hercegovina and have provided full-scale support for them, but
such support is inadequate.''
	Iranian support for the Muslims of the former Yugoslav republic has
so far been mainly verbal. Khamenei urged the Muslim world in general to
``go into action to defend the innocent nation,'' IRNA said.


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mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:32:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul24.142002.3269@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>A few weeks ago I hand painted a tee-shirt with a map of Iran with the
>words "Paayendeh Baad Iran" in the middle (Alireza should like this one
>:-)). The map was hand drawn on paper down to the scale needed for the
>shirt (I drew a cartesian grid to the size of the shirt and redrew the
>map by eye from a large Iranian map that I have). Then I cut out the
>border and traced the map on the shirt with a water-based black marker.
>I transferred the lettering with carbon paper. Finally, I painted the
>map and the lettering in with DECA black fabric paint (which needs to be
>ironed to set it permanently in the fabric).
>
>Total cost: shirt $9, paint $3, brushes $1.50
>
>I had contemplated painting green and red stripes across the map but
>decided not to try it on the first attempt. The shirt turned out great.
>I even had one stranger say "Hey, were did you get that shirt!".
>
>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)


Actually I've got a sweat-shirt with the map and the flag of Iran on
it. This guy I knew drew it for me using an air-brush. It turned out
great. I wear it on special occasions, like Norouz, and of course 4th
of July :).

I have another idea for a T-shirt. I'm sure you've all seen "Hard Rock
Cafe" T-shirts. They include the words Hard Rock Cafe and the name of
the city where the T-shirt was purchased. Well we can make an Iranian
version with the words "Ghahveh-khaneyeh Sangeh Sakht, Shoosh", in
Farsi alphabet of course. Amoo joon this might be a good idea for your
present patogh. :)

Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: ghahveh.khooneh (was Re: What to read at sci)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:16:40 GMT
Organization: ghahveh.khooneh
Keywords: Cafe Barrone

In article <1992Jul28.210702.5434@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>
>>Mack is not my partner yet :-).  He is not even on my payroll.
>
>I couldn't even get on your payroll if I wanted to. I already have
>enough trouble with IRS due to my affiliation with KH (SCI oldtimers
>remember this one well :-), that I can't afford any more risks. Now,
>if you are willing to pay cash, we can talk...  :-)
>
>>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>
>    --mack

No problem mack.  As I said earlier money is not an obstacle in this case.
Ammo has tempted me to go ahead with the project that I welcome all the
help I can get, specially your information gathering expertise (FAQ??).

Now let's talk about 'hagh-e dallAli,' fringe benefits and so forth.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Two news items
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:32:10 GMT
Organization: none


From Kayhan Havaii (issue 990):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
1. Iranian Author Wins UNICEF Award
     
UNITED NATIONS Hdqrs. (New York), (IRNA) - Ms Firouzeh Gol-Mohammadi from
Iran was chosen the third best author of books for children in 1992 by the
United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). 
    
Gol-Mohammadi's book "The Clever Rook" was awarded the Bronze Medal by the
UNICEF jury. Authors from Australia and India ranked first and second.
      
2. A while ago I posted an article from Japan Times about Kamaal Keshmiri,
the Iranian athlete who has been banned from the Olympics. Here is what
Kayhan Havaii has to add:
    
They say that Mr. Keshmiri had experienced muscle tear in the stomach area
and was therefore on medication prescribed by his doctor. Apparently, the
US authorities believed that the medication he used was banned.
   
The article also states that Mr. Keshmiri has had serious disagreements
with the same authorities in the past and at one time stated that he
wanted to join the Iranian team. It is also stated that keshmiri
believes those authorities did not want him to participate in the
Olympics.
   
 - Farzin
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: You'll find out when you are done reading....
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:16:40 GMT
Organization: UB

That story was a made up story which has a very strong message.

People refuge to god and religion when they need it.
They love god and religion , because they think he/she is always
there for them, people leave the hard things for God. 

Here is my word. We don't need a book to tell us how to live. We
have seen centuries of history to gain experience. It's up to us to 
be Evil or Good. We were not born Evil or Good. We choose to be one
or the other. Sure there is God. But s/he is not there to help you 
succeed your goals. You are there to help yourself. It's you and only 
you. Don't listen to others blindly and don't let others convince 
you. You must convince yourself. We are no more than animals if we 
didn't have the power to choose. Although I wish I was an animal so 
I didn't have to choose, because I don't find myself perfect and 
without any defects. 

So choose your path yourself.

Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Subject: Re: Those good-old sayings/proverbs/expressions
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:37:22 GMT

Dorood bar hamsafarAn-e mehrabAn:

Please fasten your seat belts :-)

(1) `eesA beh deen-e kheesh moosA beh deen-e kheesh
(2) to neekee meekon-o dar dajleh andAz keh eezad dar beeyAbAnash dahad bAz
(3) donyA yek roozeh bagheeyeh-ash rooz be rooz-e :-)
(3) donyA panjAh sAleh avvalesh moshkeleh
(4) az khejAlat Ab shod!
(4) mesl-e laboo sorkh sohd!
(5) mo'ammA cho hal gasht AsAn shavad
(6) az xyz porseedand adab az keh Amookhtee? goft az bee adabAn
(7) een daghal doostAn keh meebeenee magasAnand gerd-e sheereenee
(8) az roobAh porseedand shAhedat keest? goft domam
(9) nokhod-e har Ash shodan
(0) kas nakhArad posht-e man joz nAkhon-e angosht-e man

PS: all corrections, and in particular _additions_, are much appreciated.

bA sepAs-e farAvan, --df
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Pakistani fundamentalists push for veils
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:06:59 GMT


	ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- An Islamic fundamentalist leader,
pressing a campaign for stricter religious observances in Pakistan,
asked women Thursday to wear veils inside mosques and threatened
unspecified action for those who fail to comply.
	``If the women want to visit mosques, they should hide their faces.
Otherwise they should not come,'' said Hafiz Tanveer, a leader of the
fundamentalist student organization Islami Jamiat-i-Tulaba.
	``We ask the government to stop them or we will launch a movement
against the women and the government,'' Tanveer said, without
elaborating.
	The IJT is associated with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i-Islami party
and together they are struggling to create a strict religious society in
Pakistan, where fundamentalism has not been particularly popular despite
the country's establishment in 1947 as a regional Muslim homeland
separate from India.
	Although Islam encourages women to visit mosques for prayers,
fundamentalists believe ``it distracts other faithfuls,'' Tanveer said.
	There are about a dozen fundamentalist groups in Pakistan but they
never have won more than 10 seats in the country's 207-member
parliament.
	A spokeswoman for the Pakistan's Womens Action Forum attacked
Tanveer's demand, saying: ``Having failed to make an impact on national
politics, the fundamentalists are now looking for false issues.''
	``Women are an easy target, especially in a society where few work
out of their homes,'' said the spokeswoman, Shahida Hussain.
	Hussain said the forum was formed to protect women from ``such
madness.''
	``The fundamentalist concept of veil is just a figment of their own
imagination,'' she said. ``It does not represent true Islam. When women
go to mosques, they are properly dressed. What else do the
fundamentalists want?''


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mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran)
Subject: Olympics
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:32:59 GMT
Originator: kamrani@trantjern.ifi.uio.no


And here is the olympic's joke , a scene that has been shown on european 
sport channel over and over again. An iranian boxer entering the ring 
but without his gloves (he had forgotten them) resulting in his immidiate
disqualification.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Clinton would support U.S. participation in force against Iraq
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:10:26 GMT

	LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (UPI) -- Democratic presidential candidate Bill
Clinton said Thursday if the United Nations decides to use force to
ensure Iraqi compliance with U.N. cease-fire agreements, ``I will
support American participation.''
	In a statement released from Little Rock, Ark., the Democratic
governor said the Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's refusal to allow U.N.
inspectors access to documents concerning Iraq's program to build
weapons of mass destruction ``is a serious violation of the cease-fire
agreements.''
	``Saddam's action places at risk not only efforts to dismantle Iraq's
capacity to produce such weapons but the authority of the United Nations
itself,'' Clinton said.
	``Let there be no mistake: If the United Nations decides to use force
to ensure Iraqi compliance with the cease-fire agreements, I will
support American participation in such action,'' Clinton said.
	``Let Saddam Hussein make no mistake: Even during an election
campaign, Americans are united on this issue,'' Clinton said. ``Saddam
Hussein should understand clearly that we will not tolerate his defiance
of U.N. resolutions.''


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mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Trip to Iran (Moafi)
Keywords: Moafi
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:30:34 GMT

sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>(majid.safavi) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know what are  the latest rules, regulation, and prices
>>for getting a temporary or permanent Moafi. Do you know anybody who
>
>Mack , Here is another good FAQ subject :

Indeed. If anyone knows the rules and regulations, please send it to
me and/or post it in this newsgroup for confirmation and discussion. I
personally don't know much about moAfi, and how to get it.

I know (at least, I think I know) the rules and regulations on "moAfi
e dAneshjooie" [student exemption].

>Ramin

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXV
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:03:45 GMT
Organization: Mars People International.


	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			62

	I must abjure the Balm of Life, I must,
	Scared by some After-reckoning ta'en on trust,
	Or lured with Hope of some Diviner Drink,
	To fill the Cup---when crumbled into Dust!

			63

	Oh threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
	One thing at least is certain---*This* Life flies;
	One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
	The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.

			64

	Strange, is it not? that of the myriads who
	Before us pass'd the door of Darkness through,
	Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
	Which to discover we must travel too.

			65

	The revelations of Devout and Learn'd
	Who rose before us, and as Prophets burn'd,
	Are all but Stories, which, awoke from Sleep
	They told their comrades, and to Sleep return'd.


			*****
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXVII
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:13:38 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			70

	The Ball no question makes of Ayes and Noes,
	But Here or There as strikes the Player goes;
	And He that toss'd you down into the Field,
	He knows about it all---HE knows---HE knows!

			71

	The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
	Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
	Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
	Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

			72

	And that inverted Bowl they call the Sky,
	Whereunder crawling coop'd we live and die,
	Lift not your hands to *It* for help---for It
	As impotently moves as you or I.

			73

	With Earth's first Clay They did the Last Man knead,
	And there of the Last Harvest sow'd the Seed:
	And the first Morning of Creation wrote
	What the Last Dawn of Reckoning shall read.


			*****
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:21:45 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu

---

  Really, it dose not mater, if say an African country's parliament, or the
EC, or even the US's Old goats in the congress, who usually support Israel 
are supported a dead political group.  What it matters is what we the people
of Iran think about them.  As you see, Mojaheadine have much more opposition
against them, than they have supporter in Iran.  A group which advocates
Islam+communism+protaria dictatorship!,  a group which his leader appointed
his wife as the second in command,  a group that fought against Iranian people
and along with an Iran's enemy, a group which sells classified information
to foreigners, a group that supported Saddam against the Kurd, a group which
gets his money from foreign sources such as intelligent services of other
countries, ... etc. should look for support from foreign sources as well,
because not many people in Iran are fool enough to see all this, and support
them as well.  


   Therefore, they are desperate to gain "legitimacy" from people like
Saddam himself.  Yes, I guess Saddam housain and his puppet Iraqi parliament
have supported this group as well.  However, I am not sure that this is a plus
for them.  -:)  It sounds like a women tells her husband that other men could
testify how good she was in bed . -:) Now, mojaheadine are saying to Iranian
people that other countries could testify how good they worked for them!

                       With highest regards,
                            Babak   Sehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: What to read at sci
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:35:13 GMT
Organization: again!

In article <tooraj.712498156@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au> tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati) writes:

Hi tooraj khAn!


>I am just sick and tired of all this. NOW WAHT IS THE DEAL, WE CAN'T STAY 
>QUIET, NETHER CAN WE DEFEND OURSELVES and show our side of the story.  Why 
>is it fair for people to post all sorts of accusations on Baha'is and why 
>CAN'T we answer them.
>
>I am asking every one who keep asking Baha'is to stop. Why don't you ask
>those who post none-sense accusations, so we don't have to respond to
>them.

Take it easy tooraj.  Hoosein was one of the few, actually perhaps the only
person on this forum, who clearly stated that if there was any accusation or
misquote of historical events, people must reply.  So on the subject of
'stopping' I guess you are pointing at the wrong guy!

[Hossein, 'pepsi man farAmoosh nashavd!' :-)]

By the way, serial accusations have stopped at my site.  Perhaps your
machine is still relaying the older messages.  We are now in the phase where
every one is tired and bored of it, which is a different phase than just
replying to accusations, IMHO of course.  I would like to characterize this
phase as 'the day after!'

>For those who complain about the lengthy responds. They should be 
>reminded it is far easier to accuse some one/group (you can even use 
>one sentence.) But to clear the matter you need alot more effort and 
>words. Saying 'No you are wrong' isn't just enough.

Very good point.

>Tooraj

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian