From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:42:03 GMT

In article <exuptr.375.714354030@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.144033.2939@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.000853.12407@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
>>>
>>>Being unhappy or poor isn't punishable by death, the last time I checked.
>
>>What a great life to commit a child to.  You are really sick.  Do you
>>enjoy watching people suffer in misery?  Do you like hanging around
>>ghettos and the wards watching people beg and debase themselves?  Do you
>>get off to it?
>
>As long as we're on the subject of experience, when's the last time you 
>were ripped apart with surgical instruments?

Well, since I am assuming you are trying to compare me to a fetus, or
the experience, I am going to have to say never.  But than again,
neither have you.  So, since neither of us know what it feels like, and no
one on the face of this planet does.  In fact, there is no evidence that
the fetus knows what it feels like, this is a pretty mute argument.

>>I don't believe that having an abortion damns a soul to eternal
>>nothingness, I believe that it allows that soul to move onto another
>>vessel that, perhaps, will dwell under better circumstances.  
>
>Are we talking the fetus's soul here or the mother's?  Certainly the fetus 
>would not be damned to anything.  Seems like you have some misconceptions 
>about the Christian view here.

oh wow... I am sorry... see, the last time I was in a christian church
(and I went to them for years) if you weren't babtized, then your soul
didn't go to heaven. 

>>belief, allowing an unwanted child to be born is damning that soul to a
>>lifetime of misery, unnecessary misery.
>
>Attributable mostly to those who "unwanted" the child.  Certainly it was not 
>the child's decision.

I will make a deal with you.  You ask the fetus if it wants to be born
into a situation where it is going to be in a household were it was
unplanned for and unwanted or sit in a state orphanage or foster homes
for most of its life and never have anything going for it, and if you get
a response, by golly, I will abide by the fetus' decision.  I doubt
though that you will get much of a response.

>>So, it really comes down to this, if you believe that you are damning a
>>soul to eternal nothingness, then don't have an abortion.  
>
>This is not what it's about.  Inform yourself about the other side before 
>you presuppose or prejudge (or guess?) the motives.

I have.  I have listened to the prolifers (screaming in my face) I have
listened to their solutions (which usually tend to involve bringing more
unwanted children onto the face of this planet).  but like I said
before, if you can come up with a real solution... I will listen.

>>That is your
>>choice and you can practice your beliefs all you want.  My beliefs,
>>which are supposedly protected in this country, consider it an
>>abomination against my higher power to not have an abortion if the
>>pregnancy is not planned on and desired.
>
>Whatever.

just 'whatever'.  When it comes to defending your beliefs and morals it
is worth fighting for, but when it comes to defending mine it is
'whatever'.  

Let me throw a hypothetical situation your way and all I want you to do
is think about it.  What if the population problem got so bad that if
you couldn't prove that you had planned the pregnancy and were able to
show financial support up through the child's college education you
would be forced to have an abortion.  Would you be pro-choice then?

I think it is maybe you that doesn't understand what pro-choice is
about and are so busy 'defending the rights of the unborn child' that
you aren't looking at what rights you are giving up in the process.

Lorra

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