HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: The net-dog ate my previous post
Organization: A. V. F. C.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:25:09 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr11.212551.27708@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:

>I was serious about my question. My sarkie remark was for Harpal.
>I quit and AFAV is all yours.

 My semi-apologies to George and Harpal.

 I got it now. sn is S******** N** 

 and so is a.c.nag.nag.nag 


>>1- Origins of jazz
>>
>>2- Cockney
>>
>>3- Roderigo .....
>>
>>4- Terminally spoilt oil

Sounds like crossword puzzle clues.
Does this all add upto SN?
P.S.: I had posted some thing this morning, but it never
showed up on afav, hence the title.
Xref: sparky alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia:118 soc.culture.indian.american:1788 news.groups:10393
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia,soc.culture.indian.american,news.groups
Subject: ALT.FAN.ALOK.VIJAYVARGIA !!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:45:15 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 GOD ALL MIGHTY !!

 I just found out that this group REALLY exists !!

 I guess this just proves that the Net is full of masochists
who have nothing better to do with their time and are desperate
to create any kind of trashy group !!      :-)  :-)  :-)

 Just one question: is this the official place to bash Alok
                    or is this his [meaning Alok] official
                    little kingdom for the posting of his
                    self-congratulatory rhetoric ?  :-) :-) :-)

 I remain <shaking my head in disbelieve> yours truly,

Jose L. Martinez
---------------------------------------------------------
The world has really gone down the toilet this time. I want to
get off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia,soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Bozo Poll..repost!
Followup-To: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:48:55 GMT


I thought this news article would be of interest to you.


From: scott@ferrari.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: straw poll: Alok bozo or not?
Reply-To: bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com


Alok recently proposed to run a straw poll on whether or not SCIA should
get a revote.  Don't ask me why, since he's already vetoed the idea and
he knows he gets a veto.

Anyway, Alok is repeating a classic straw poll mistake.  He left out the
most important choice:

3.  Alok is a bozo who has destroyed whatever credibility he might once
have had, and his continued involvement in SCIA group matters is useless
at best, and counterproductive at worst.  If he had a clue he'd desist
and keep quiet, but he has turned down many offers of a clue.

Therefore, I'm now running a meta straw poll on the question,
"Is Alok a bozo or not?".  This straw poll is probably just as pointless
as Alok's, but at least it's more fun.  Send your votes to either

   bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com
	  or
   bozo-no@ferrari.labs.tek.com

--
Scott Huddleston
scott@crl.labs.tek.com


Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Why is SCIA needed ? ( Thanks to Ashok, Milind, Purna, Ravi, Sid..
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:53:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.024515.14552@ennews.eas.asu.edu> sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) writes:

>Maybe we can have a straw poll for "Alok for Vice-President". Not the
>counting straws. :-) Maybe that will deter Alok from posting to
>Usenet. And we will have Alok's quotes instead of Quayle's 
>quotes. 

You mean have Alok saying (approximately) , " IA's understand the importance 
of bondage between a mother and a child!"

George



Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Oh God, Part III
Organization: A. V. F. C.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:08:19 GMT
Distribution: usa

Found this on news.groups:

In article <kujm85INNlcb@male.EBay.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.180314.26965@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>>> 
>>> (One wonders in passing why the "failed" verdict would require a 2/3
>>> majority.)
>>> 
>>
>>Because it is like overturning a veto. I am vetoeing the new RFD/CFV
>>as the proposer/vote-taker of the first RFD/CFV which is being questioned.
>>To overturn my veto, at least 2/3 of the votes should be against my 
>>position.
>
>Great - now Alok fancies himself President.
>
>I eagerly await his announcement that he has promoted himself to "God".
>
>Give it a rest.
>
>--
>
>Hypocrisy is the vaseline |UUCP: ...!sun!EBay!thismoment!duane
>of political intercourse. |INTN: duane@EBay.sun.com
>   -  Billy Connolly      |USPS: 2550 Garcia Ave. M/S M3-76, Mtn. View CA 94042


Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: How about a name change? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.232327.21862@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:

>I didn't get it. What is 'sn'?

>Is  that a smiley or a sarkie? 

OK! Let's play guessing game here. 

1- Origins of jazz

2- Cockney

3- Roderigo .....

4- Terminally spoilt oil


George

Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: How about a name change? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.213042.29264@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.203622.25982@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
>>Great name. Shouldn't this newsgroup be called afavppp? :)
>
>with the possibility of a sub hierarchy later. afavppp.sn :-)

You mean afav.clone.nag.nag.nag? :-)...

-h
Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia,soc.culture.indian.american,news.groups
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Oh God, Part III
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:03:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.185547.17010@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>I think we're all geting worked up unnecessarily. Alok's just playing
>a practical joke on us. The Straw Poll is a spoof.

No, George. Alok takes his polls seriously. If he's conducting a straw poll,
you can bet he'll make sure he gathers enough straws :-)...

-h
Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia,soc.culture.indian.american,news.groups
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: ALT.FAN.ALOK.VIJAYVARGIA !!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:27:14 GMT

In article <92106.144515JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

> Just one question: is this the official place to bash Alok
>                    or is this his [meaning Alok] official
>                    little kingdom for the posting of his
>                    self-congratulatory rhetoric ?  :-) :-) :-)

It must be the bashing grounds because the rhetoric gets posted on scia.

George
Newsgroups: alt.fan.alok.vijayvargia
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: How about a name change?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:43:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.212551.27708@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:

>I was serious about my question. My sarkie remark was about Harpal.
>I quit and AFAV is all yours.

AFAV is public domain. :-)

George
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: How about it Gals?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:18:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Mar29.192113.6745@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, tchihaya@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (tyson chihaya) writes:
> 
> What is the pseudonym that TR is purported to have used in writing Fuck, yes?
> I'm a big Tom Robbins fan, but hadn't heard of this book until now...
> 
> Tyson
> 
> -- 
> 
> |yson Chihaya
> T
> tchihaya@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
> 
> 

Wing Fu Fing.

Lorin Hawley
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: magic
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:22:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Mar24.184759.5361@unx.sas.com>, sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn) writes:
> 
> Something we haven't talked about yet is TR's concept of 'magic'. 
> Does anybody want to tackle this one?
> 
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Christopher Mark Conn                                       sascmc@unx.sas.com

For starters ...

He says magic inheres in art;
in unseen connections;
in the sexual and creative impulses;
in mystery.

His thoughts on magic remind me of Rudolph Otto's
"The Idea Of The Holy".

Lorin Hawley
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
From: carltonj@media.mit.edu (Carlton J. Sparrell)
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:38:13 GMT


  Has anyone tried to track this down with the Library of Congress?  If
I recall correctly, that is how someone unmasked Richard Bachman to
be Stephen King.  That was a similar controversy.  The Bachman books
are of a similar style and at least one, _The Long Walk_,  was set in 
Maine.  The Bachman books were a departure from SK's traditional
genre however.  

  Several people accused Stephen King of being Bachman,  but it was not
until someone tracked down the official records in the LOC that concrete
proof was found.  Is there anyway to get LOC info online?  Or does any
motivated soul on this list live in the DC area?  I'd like to know for
sure, though maybe not until I've had a chance to read Fuck Yes!  Has
anyone been able to find it in Harvard Square?

CJS
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:57:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <sbuckley.702197125@sfu.ca>, sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
> 

(stuff deleted)

>   for my own safety and piece of mind, i try to avoid looking for black and
> white certainty regarding squishy issues like who really wrote fuck yes.  i
> kinda believe conclusive proof is impossible, b/c even if tr comes out and
> says he wrote it, many people may choose to think he's lying.  so i think he
> wrote it based on my judgement of his style [thus i believe he's capable of
> having written it], and the word from my friend the bookstore owner who
> told me.  beyond that i claim nothing conclusive and i seek nothing more
> conclusive.  to do so would give me even more of a headache than figuring
> out the deconstructed world we live in.
> 
>   ugh.   :)
> 
>   that's my $0.02 for this month.
> 
>   i hereby yield the soapbox.
> 
> 
> ---
>   Stephen Buckley        /   my opinions are not in the public domain.  they are
> 

Fair enough, Steven! In turn, based on my judgement of his style and the
themes of his other books, I do not think he wrote it. Is he capable of
having written it? Probably! But it's so unlikely (in my opinion) that I've
been asking for proof in this discussion group. No proof has been forthcoming so
far.

I'm not trying to "deconstruct" Tom Robbins' writing style. I'm not trying
to reduce it to a finite set of qualities or characteristics. I'm very
interested in TR's writing as it evolves, so it would be significant to
learn that he did actually write Fuck, Yes!


still waiting for proof ...

Lorin Hawley
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:34:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Mar31.202205.27369@muddcs.claremont.edu>, mblakele@jarthur.claremont.edu (Tad Blakeley) writes:
> 
stuff deleted
> 
> 	I still haven't read _Fuck, Yes!_, but wouldn't this (alleged) radical
> change in TR's writing style be a damn good reason to publish under a
> pseudonym?  Maybe he regarded it as some kind of Zen improvisational jazz
> writing experiment?  Maybe he wrote it during a psychotic episode, and wants
> to publish it, but doesn't want his loyal fans accusing him of "misrepresenting
> himself in a number of published interviews."  Maybe he was feeling to lazy to
> wait until he read or heard "twenty-three" that morning, so he just hopped
> out of bed while addressing himself by a hastily-made-up pseudonym, and set
> to work on _Fuck, Yes!_
> 
> Please add ;-) where appropriate...
> 					-- tad

It's certainly possible he wrote it under a pseudonym to try out new writing 
styles! But if you read TR's five published books and then read Fuck, Yes!
I think you'll see the difference. Not only in style (which TR says is the
most important thing of all) but thematically also.

I'd love to have proof he wrote it, though! It would change how I, and
others, perceive TR and what he is doing as a writer.

It's just that the 5 books authored by TR are so similar that Fuck, Yes! really
stands out as an anomaly in comparison.

I'm not saying he positively DIDN'T write F,Y - just that I doubt he did.

I wonder if Richard Brautigan's suicude was a hoax? Fuck, Yes! reads like
one of his.

Lorin Hawley
From: sascmc@unx.sas.com (Chris Conn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:26:37 GMT
    <22196@goofy.Apple.COM> <1992Mar31.202205.27369@muddcs.claremont.edu> 
    <22649@goofy.Apple.COM>
Reply-To: sascmc@unx.sas.com (Chris Conn)
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 976

In article <22649@goofy.Apple.COM>, hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley) writes:
|> 
|> I wonder if Richard Brautigan's suicude was a hoax? Fuck, Yes! reads like
|> one of his.
|> 
|> Lorin Hawley

I think Brautigan was my warm-up for Tom Robbins...
I real all of his books when I was a teen-ager and loved them,
but it seemed like he was kind of fading away at the end. I'm not
surprised he committed suicide, he always seemed kind of depressed.
 
TR was a great find for me because he had a lot of the qualities I
liked in Brautigan but he was positive! If you're interested in checking
out Brautigan's work I'd highly recommend _The Abortion: An Historical
Romance 1966_. Good stuff!

______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Mark Conn                                       sascmc@unx.sas.com
Systems Administrator / AIX Host Development         
SAS Institute Inc. PO Box 200075 Austin, Texas 78720-0075 (512) 258-5171 X3369
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:13:24 GMT


then maybe Leon redbone is JD Salinger (or Thomas Pynchon)
-- 
Ted....
From: sascmc@pecos.unx.sas.com (Christopher Mark Conn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-robbins
Subject: Re: my proof for fuck, yes. (!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:17:25 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 972

In article <1992Apr14.143813.12565@news.media.mit.edu> carltonj@media.mit.edu (Carlton J. Sparrell) writes:
>
>  Has anyone tried to track this down with the Library of Congress?  If
>I recall correctly, that is how someone unmasked Richard Bachman to
>be Stephen King.  That was a similar controversy.  The Bachman books
>are of a similar style and at least one, _The Long Walk_,  was set in 
>Maine.  The Bachman books were a departure from SK's traditional
>genre however.  
>

Great idea! It seems like I've seen some kind of system for doing this
on USENET, can't remember the name of the group. I'll post to 
news.newusers.questions and see if I can find out anything. 

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Mark Conn                                       sascmc@unx.sas.com
Systems Administrator / AIX Host Development         
SAS Institute Inc. PO Box 200075 Austin, Texas 78720-0075 (512) 258-5171 X3369
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: WGI finals
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:43:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.174600.1448@news2.cis.umn.edu> plorch@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch) writes:
>Other highlights were Southport's victory in A High School (It took me a few
>seconds to realize why half of the guard was performing behind the backdrops,
>but, when I did see the mirror effect, I was most impressed). This was my only
>WGI show this year, and I enjoyed it.

Highlights must include Northview's Dr. Seuss show in HS Open class. Their
staging and presentation was amazing. Carrying through the dialog of "Green
Eggs and Ham" with the single flag was creative genius. The Colors at the end
were done really well. And the guard member playing the Cat in the Hat was
really cute.

Also, how about Escapade in World Open Class? I can't believe a bunch of
age-outs getting together and placing 6th in the world! No props...very little
equipment...just a tremendous amount of spirit!

...and how about Blessed Sacrament's "The Homecoming Queen Has a Gun" number!
This guard had some very serious programs for seveal years; this brought us
back to the fun days of the mid-80s. Sac is back!

The non-highlight of the weekend was the return of State Street. Their
third-place program yielded only a small smattering of applause from the
audience. The dominant hard-sell style of only a few years ago has been
replaced by a smoother, more flowing, more subtle presentation. As tough as
their book was, the State Street show seemed to be a glaring anachronism in
the weekend. Hopefully, the instruction staff will consider a stylistic
overhaul.

In 1990 and 1991, Sal Salas was working with the Kingsmen. I really liked
Kingsmen's 1991 show, and was sad to see them go away with Sal's return to
State Street.  The best part of State Street was when Sal came out with the
guard at retreat with a "Bum" t-shirt on.

You have to give the SJ Raiders a lot of credit for their incredibly difficult
equipment work. On the other hand, Emerald Marquis has got to win one of these
years. The Kronos Quartet's rendition of Amazing Grace was really cool; EM
performed its own physical book with their unique style and poise. The crowd
loves San Jose, but I bet they would have enthusiastically welcomed an Emerald
Marquis win.

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280

Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: plorch@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch)
Subject: WGI finals
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:46:00 GMT

Well, they have come and gone. I would have to say that the most exciting

show in Dayton this year was South Shore Drill Team's two place jump to take
the A class championship. After watching the prelims, I was impressed by them
but didn't really think they could win it all. But they pulled off a 
performance and a half on Saturday night to win by a tenth (I think) of a
point. How exciting!

I also was very impressed with the shows in World Class. I loved nearly every
show, and thought that even the non-finalists were excellent. I wasn`t really
impressed with San Jose at prelims, but on Sunday, they were awesome!

Other highlights were Southport's victory in A High School (It took me a few
seconds to realize why half of the guard was performing behind the backdrops,
but, when I did see the mirror effect, I was most impressed). This was my only
WGI show this year, and I enjoyed it.

Does anybody want to post the results? I have the scores from finals, but 
I have no scores from prelims (I was lazy!). 

Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: DENISE@csci1.csci.unt.edu
Subject: '92 WGI shows
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 01:04:18 GMT

Can anyone tell me what everyone is doing this year in the WGI circuit?  I 
was not able to march this year so, unfortunately, I haven't been in touch
with people to keep me informed of how things are going.  I would appreciate
any information you can supply.

Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Meeting at WGI??
Keywords: WGI USENET MARCHING ARTS
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:33:46 GMT

Well,

Time's running short, are we still planning to get together at some time
during the championships?

I will be around the entire event, I sit next to the judges about 2-3
rows down from the cement walkway that surrounds the gym.  I always sit
on the far side of the gym from the doors that the spectators enter.  I
will be with my brother.  He has an Alliance jacket and I have a
Suncoast Sound jacket.  We both have brown hair and tend to get excited
during shows.  If you see us, stop by and say "Hi!"

I'll look for fellow useneters after the world class prelims on the
cement walkway directly behind the judges.  Maybe we can get a bite to
eat then, and make plans for a late breakfast on Sunday.

See y'all in DAYTON!!

Bob "This makes 8 years in a row" Berry
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From: plorch@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch)
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: Dayton Ohio
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:52:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr7.005237.14455
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

Did I read that all of the alt.colorguard netnews people are going to meet
in Dayton somewhere during WGI this weekend?
  

				Pat Lorch
Newsgroups: alt.colorguard
Subject: DCI sites and years
From: ebath@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:24:58 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City


Just a followup to my previous posting about the DCI Championship sites.

City		Year(s)
-----------------------------------
Jackson, Miss.	1993, 1998, 2003
Boston, Mass.  	1994
Jacksonville,
	Florida	1995, 2000, 2005
Lansing, Mich.  1996, 2001, 2006
Buffalo, NY	1997


These dates are from the March/April "DCI Today."  Also, a site "west of
the Rocky Mountains" will be used in 1999.  Just thought you might like 
to know.

I am sorry if this really doesn't belong to this newsgroup, but our school
still doesn't have the alt.drumcorps up yet.  We also don't get postings
until at least three days after the person has posted them.  It's the 8th
here, and the last postings I have read were made on the 2nd...#@$#$%!!!

P.S.  Kansas City, Mo is still the best site for a Championship!