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From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:44:35 GMT

fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:
}In article <1992Apr15.214531.20513@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes...
}>After reading all the reponses about the reorganization of the
}>music newsgroups, how about the following changes:
}I say that the "rock-n-roll" name should be retained.  It's not that
}long, and clarifies the subject matter much better than just "rock"
}alone.

I *DON'T* think the "rock-n-roll" name should be retained because
it connotates the music Elvis and Chuck Berry produced.  Most of
the discussions on alt.rock-n-roll have to do with album rock, not
rock-n-roll in the traditional sense.  

alt.music.rock would be a lot less ambigious then alt.music.rock-n-roll
and would prevent some people from posting about artists that don't
belong here.


-- 
 Alexander Feygin | "If I go insane, please don't put your wires
a-feygin@uiuc.edu |    in my brain" -- Roger Waters
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:9681 rec.music.misc:14152
Organization: The Undead
X-Subliminal-Message: Memory is Divine Punishment
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:18:10 EDT
From: Ponte <MDP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Lyrics wanted: Pearl Jam/David Gilmour/JJ Cale/John Martyn

     I'm not sure, but I think that the lyrics for "Dave Gilmour" might
be posted at the FTP sight 128.8.2.114.  Check it out =)

                -->  Ponte
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:38:18 GMT

neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Ulrich Neeracher) writes:
}In article <1992Apr6.023332.5186@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
}>Some friends and I have been fervently arguing about 
}>the use of the term "progressive rock".  I say its
}>used to describe groups like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd,
}>and REM and they say its used to describe groups
}>like New Order and REM.  (At least we agree about 
}>REM.)  Am I right about Rush, etc being "progressive
}>rock" bands?
}I'd say that I hear the term usually used on the bands you mentioned.
}Interestingly, the only band on your list I wouldn't categorize as "progressiv
}rocl" is REM.

Thats interesting.  I always thought of REM as "progressive" but
I could have been wrong.

}>Also they say that "progressive music" implies having
}>some kind of social message behind it.  I say the
}>message has nothing to with it, its the musical style
}>that determines whether its "progressive music" or
}>not.
}Absolutely correct.
}>I know I am right about this one, so how do I
}>convince them?
}The problem with the label "progressive rock" is that while it seems to denote
}something good and modern, it is in fact just a label used for a certain style
}of keyboard-heavy sound from the early 70ies (which may or may not be good, bu
}is not exactly modern, and personally I find most of it extremely boring).
}The best way to convince them is to find another nice vague label that they ca
}apply to their music. What about "alternative" ?

I've tried that and it brought about a long, passionate "flame-war"
on the dictionary definition of progressive and alternative and what
these definitions "mean".

-- 
 Alexander Feygin | "If I go insane, please don't put your wires
a-feygin@uiuc.edu |    in my brain" -- Roger Waters
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: mon001@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it (Carlo Savi)
Subject: When Screaming Trees in Italy?
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:31:29 GMT
Organization: C.d.C., Politecnico di Milano

Please post me dates of Screaming Trees tour in Italy

                           thank you

e-mail: mon001@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it
bitnet: topogr01@imipoli.bitnet

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Ulrich Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.023332.5186@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
>Some friends and I have been fervently arguing about 
>the use of the term "progressive rock".  I say its
>used to describe groups like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd,
>and REM and they say its used to describe groups
>like New Order and REM.  (At least we agree about 
>REM.)  Am I right about Rush, etc being "progressive
>rock" bands?

I'd say that I hear the term usually used on the bands you mentioned.
Interestingly, the only band on your list I wouldn't categorize as "progressive
rocl" is REM.

>Also they say that "progressive music" implies having
>some kind of social message behind it.  I say the
>message has nothing to with it, its the musical style
>that determines whether its "progressive music" or
>not.

Absolutely correct.

>I know I am right about this one, so how do I
>convince them?

The problem with the label "progressive rock" is that while it seems to denote
something good and modern, it is in fact just a label used for a certain style
of keyboard-heavy sound from the early 70ies (which may or may not be good, but
is not exactly modern, and personally I find most of it extremely boring).

The best way to convince them is to find another nice vague label that they can
apply to their music. What about "alternative" ?

Matthias

-----
Matthias Neeracher                                   neeri@iis.ethz.ch
   "I'm set free to find a new illusion" -- Velvet Underground
From: IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: GEDDY LEE"S real name
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:13:38 GMT
 <1992Apr16.173325.3837@ncsu.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

Except that its Neil Peart not Neal Peart just to clarify
From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Aerosmith
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.15APR199211084821
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <shdhjINN3oj@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, dcarter@supra.East.Sun.COM writes...
>You forgot:  Pump, Gems, Classics Live 1, Classics Live 2, Anthology (great CD),
>             Greatest Hits, Sgt. Peppers, 
> 
>Also: Brad Whitfor made an album in the early 80's but I forget the name of it.
> 
>David


Its called Whitford/St. Holmes, referring to bandmate Derek St. Holmes, who 
has worked with Ted Nugent. Not memerable, and not on CD. Also, the JPP has 
another album (this one on MCA) called Once a Rocker, Always a Rocker,
(he must like long titles!) but that is not on CD at this time either to my 
knowledge. JPP albums, in my opinion, got progressively worse. 



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
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From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Bands
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:12:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr8.232818.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>> 	<1992Apr8.061345.2878@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
>> 
>> Clearly, true speed metal bands like Bon Jovi, Poison, and Billy Joel
>> are far superior to pussys like Slayer and Megadeth.  I mean, Jon Bon is
>> so bad that "He's wanted - dead or alive"
>-- 
>
>   Gosh, I guess I should be listening to the radio more often.  I didn't know
>Billy Joel had started playing speed metal.  Just goes to show you how fast
>things can change in the music world.

Yes, I recognize irony.  But still...  :-)

Ever hear the album "Attila"? (Billy Joel, early 70's)

Sample tracks:  "Revenge is Sweet", "March of the Huns", "Amplifier Fire",
"Tear this Castle Down".  He plays a Hammond organ that he gutted to make
it more raw sounding.  Pretty cool stuff.  It ain't speed metal, but it
ain't that far from it, either.  :-)

-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC
From: nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Aerosmith & Clapton
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:07:05 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Aalborg

>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 22:56:58 GMT, caudlerobina@bvc.edu said:

> Secondly, I have recently started listening to Eric Clapton and really like 
> his blues stuff and some of his rock.  I have the "Rush" soundtrack and "24 
> Nights" and am wondering what else is good?

I prefer the live album "Just One night", and "Slowhand".
From: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (needs changing)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: For all you Sinead fans
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:06:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <RJC.92Apr13183840@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>
>Perhaps the greatest proof that S O C is saying something worthwhile
>is that she manages to so piss off so many worthless cretins such as,
>for instance, the sad cases on the above thread. 
>
>--
>rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
>					 |<

	That also says that Maple and Suaron are something worthwhile
	too!


Alex
stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: University of Nevada System, Computing Services
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:46:06 GMT

	This argument is kinda irrelevant since there is a TAB ftp site at

	ftp.nevada.edu         or        131.216.1.11

	And for those who can't ftp, you cant ask to be put on a mailing list
for periodic catalogs that you can e-mail order from. Write to me at the 
address below for the mailing list.



						James B


From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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From: exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Suaron and other Assholes
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:18:13 GMT
Reply-To: exurln@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.114733.26363@cs.dal.ca>, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
|> 
|>    So how do we get rid of these assholes now that they are on this newsgroup?

I would run to the manual page on your newsreader as quickly as you can and
find out how the kill author is implemented.


-- 
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From: woodwar@mizar.usc.edu (John Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: The new Bruce Springsteen albums
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:08:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Mar31.095431.7268@nntp.hut.fi> salmeniu@niksula.hut.fi (Jaakko J Salmenius) writes:
>Last Friday it finally happened. Bruce released two new albums: Lucky Town
>and Human Touch. Since Friday I've been listening those albums dozens of
>times. The four long year were worth waiting: The both albums are excellent.
>
>I'm a little bit curious about the situation in North America. I haven't
>seen that many messages about Bruce on alt.rock-n-roll. I'm wondering if
>there is a dedicated group for Bruce only or is it so that the popularity
>of Bruce in North America is way behind of that in Finland. At least in
>Finland he has been maybe the most popular rock singer ever since The River.
>
>Recently I found one message about Bruce. It was sent by a Norwerian guy.
>I've found that Bruce has got a lot of fans around Scandinavia. But where
>the hell are American Bruce fans?
>

Don't worry. We're out here. The hard core fans have been here all
along. The fad fans all move along to something else--this is why
Springsteen intentionally shifts gears (like Nebraska or Tunnel of
Love).

I like both albums (although I think he should have just released
a double album). I understand there is some talk that he wants to
get out of his Sony contract and by releasing two albums he can
partially satisfy the requirements of the deal. To me , Lucky Town
is the more interesting and successful of the two albums. Evidently
it was recorded after Human Touch, and rather quickly, with
Springsteen playing nearly all of the instruments. It has an
immediacy and energy that goes beyond The River. I'd put Better
Days, Living Proof, Souls of the Depareted, and Book of Dreams
among his best songs. I think some long time fans might be
disappointed that the songs aren't quite a romantic as they
once were; there is more of a sense of clarity to these songs,
but still, the familiar triumph wins over realism.

Human Touch is less ragged, more polished, and I like it less.
It almost seems as if Springsteen realized that this pick up
band was  a little too slick, and so recorded Lucky Town
by himself to make up for it. But it is still a great record.
It's hard to argue with Human Touch, Real World, I Wish I
Were Blind, or All or Nothing At All.

These two albums make you realize how silly it was of fans
to criticize Springsteen for dismissing the E Street Band.
I think he had to do that to move forward. The live set
put an end to that era. I only hope he can still put on
the great live shows that we're used to with a different band.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 08:24:32 EDT
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Def Leppard

>What you guys all have to remember and respect about the Leps is this --
>in the midst of all these bands out there who are going for the new,
>progressive, meaningful, atonal, whatever you want to call it sound,
>we can all rest assured that we can always sit back and relax and
>listen to incredibly produced rock that is simply catchy and pleasant
>to listen to.

Yes, folks, in the midst of attempts (however successful) by other
groups to put quality lyrics, playing and songwriting in their
music, you gotta respect the Dead Leppards for playing mindless
catchy music to appeal to the masses. Seems noble to me, and incredibly
easy to make money with it. Yea, they have a gimmick, so we should
respect their cheesy music, right?

>Def Leppard is not trying to put forward any political
>message.  Their songs are about GIRLS and ROCK and ROLL and each
>tune has such a great hitch to it - a melody, a guitar riff, a chord
>change that is pleasing to the ear.

No, you don't have to put politics into music to make it good.
But any good song should have some quality besides being 'catchy'
to the mass public. If every band just relied on a 'great hitch' to
get the masses of teenage girls swooning, I don't think anyone would
listen to music at any level deeper than just background noise. That's
sad, and completely wastes the concept of music as an art form.
   Unfortunatly, it seems that a good number of bands do rely merely
on 'catchy' tunes or images to sell records. Perhaps you can respect
it for its simplicity, but it is a waste of time in my opinion. Music
is worth investing time and money into only when it goes a little deeper
than the 'girls, sex, and fun' level.

>I'm sick of politics and I'm sick of getting headaches from trying
>to interpret all the crazy ass shit on the radio.

You get headaches trying to think about anything more complex than
'GIRLS and ROCK and ROLL'? Seriously, man, you should see a doctor.
   But you just spelled out your problem above...quit listening to
the radio! If that's where you hear most of your music, then no wonder
Dead Leppard sounds good.

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From: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (Ian Stephenson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Who is Glenn Hughes?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:44:20 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In article <92100.175930MVO100@psuvm.psu.edu> MVO100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
>      Does anyone know who Glenn Hughes is, or who he played or sang for? Just  
a
> sking because I read somewhere that he might join Blue Murder.  Thanx to  
anyone
>  who can give any info.
> Mike O.

Glenn Hughes was originaly in Trapeze, along with Mel Galley (+ others who are  
also slightly famous). He then moved to Deep Purple (from Burn in 1973 till the  
end in 76). He then did one solo album called "Play me out", which is OKish  
(well no its pretty dull actulay). He then did an album with Pat Thrall, called  
"Hughes and Thrall".

He did one black Sabath album ("7th Star" I think), and also did some stuff on  
the WhiteSnake "Slip of the tounge" album (which is rubbish). His also worked  
on the phenomena project, which to a large extent was  a reformation of Trapeze  
(with a large number of guests).

I don't think I've missed antything major out, though he probanly did some  
stuff on the Deep Purple solo albums (Butterfly Ball, Wizards Convention,  
Windows etc).

He's got a realy great voice, but much of his work has sufferd to to serious  
drug problems. The best stuff is probably that which he did with Purple, where  
his voice contrasted increadably with Coverdale (get Burn and Stormbringer to  
hear what these two can can really do). His later stuff is lacking in  
inspiration, and is genearly prety dull.

Ian Stephenson
From: romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel Song in "Until The End Of The World"
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:56:47 GMT

gp0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Glenn Platt) writes:

>Is the song in the Wim Wender's movie "Until The End Of The World" by
>Peter Gabriel available anywhere at all? It isn't on the soundtrack, I
>have to assume it will be on the upcoming album -- do I have to wait
>till then?

"Blood of Eden". Yes, it's supposed to be on the upcoming album. That's
why Geffen (PG's label) wouldn't allow it to be on the soundtrack album.
-- 
		- john romkey			Epilogue Technology
USENET/UUCP/Internet:  romkey@asylum.sf.ca.us	voice: 617 942-0915
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Let's get rocked
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:41:59 GMT
Organization: Solar Federation

>>Hell any small child out of beginers guitar school can play rings around
>>Phil Collen.
>
>There's more to good guitar playing than speed, you stupid asshole.

No, I believe YOU are the "stupid asshole".  Did this person ever
mention SPEED??  READ THE FUCKING POST!!
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From: clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Oingo Boingo
Keywords: musical style question
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:19:30 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas,Hemel Hempstead,UK

I seem to recall a posting some time back that mentioned the
band Oingo Boingo in the same sentence as National Health.
Assuming I didn't imagine this, I have a query.

I've never heard anything by Oingo Boingo, but the Health are one
of my favourite bands. So, is the musical style of Oingo Boingo
similar? I did have a look at some O-B albums in a record shop,
but the titles of the tracks seemed more like it might be dance
or acid or house or techno or whatever it is they call it these days.

- Clive    (mcdd1.uucp!clive@uknet.uucp)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: rush trivia tidbits
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:40:34 GMT


In article <73176@netnews.upenn.edu> lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
>Can someone tell me who does the rap on RTB?
>
	Well, officialy, the group is saying that Geddy does it, but personaly,
I don't buy it!



Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.config
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music.rush
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:05:50 GMT

In <1992Apr11.023943.10421@acsu.buffalo.edu> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
[Stating his opposition to alt.music.rush:]
>Don't get me wrong. I am a Rush fan. And if a.m.rush is created, I'll read it.
>Of course, shortly after the creation, I will push for alt.music.marillion
>to be created.

And then there's alt.music.jethro-tull, alt.music.who, alt.music.yes
and alt.music.king-crimson, all of which have thriving mailing lists,
and all of which I enjoy.

And I, too, am opposed to the creation of alt.music.rush.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
					- King Crimson, "Model Man"
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu (JEFFREY LEE WOODALL)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Firehouse
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:33:31 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: North Carolina State University

WHOOPIE!  I'm from CHARLOTTE and I played in a band that opened for them
at a fucking graduation party 3 years ago when they were called "White Heat".
They sucked then, they suck now.
They had this song called "Old Germany".  Worst piece of Metal shit
I've ever heard in my life.