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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Two Level 42 _World Machine_ CDs?????
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:32:24 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

norbeck@castor.cs.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93) writes:

> ...Upon closer inspection, I realised that several of the songs that were
> on my tape (which I knew predated _World Machine_ by a few years)
> weren't on the CD, and there was some stuff on the CD I'd never heard
> before.  The missing songs were "Hot Water" and "The Chant Has Begun,"
> and the new ones (to me anyway) were "I Sleep on My Heart," "Dream-
> Crazy," and "Coup D'Etat." 

For reasons unknown to Man or God, there are two different versions of the
"World Machine" album, and to make matters worse, they were *both*
released on CD in *all* markets. 

The original version is the one with "I Sleep On My Heart", et.al.  The
"US-version" is the one with "Hot Water" and company ("Hot Water" was
*originally* on the previous album "True Colours").  Both versions were
readily available on CD in the US for quite a while; I would find them
both in the same bin at the same store for the same price for several
years -- but the "US-version" seems to be the only one readily available
here now, and they've taken the "US-version" logo off the cover (it used
to be a white band in the lower right-hand corner, where the "includes
extra track" note is on the original version). 

You may be able to find copies with the original tracking in the used
bins.  They were, as I said, pretty common for a long time.  It's worth
hunting out; the three tracks not on the "US-Version" are all excellent
songs, especially "I Sleep On My Heart".

Here's the relevant discographica:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Level 42: World Machine                                       album [Oct 1985]

    CD: 1985 -- (Polydor 827 487-2: Int)
	  5:14	World Machine
	  5:29	Physical Presence
	  4:21	Something About You
	  5:06	Leaving Me Now
	  4:04	I Sleep On My Heart
	  4:38	It's Not The Same For Us
	  3:53	Dream-Crazy
	  4:39	Good Man In A Storm
	  3:47	Coup D'Etat
	  5:39	Lying Still

    CD: 1986 -- (Polydor 829 627-2: Int, "US VERSION")
	  4:24	Something About You
	  5:14	World Machine
	  5:27	Physical Presence
	  5:00	Leaving Me Now
	  3:38	Hot Water
	  4:36	It's Not The Same For Us
	  4:36	Good Man In A Storm
	  5:19	The Chant Has Begun
	  5:39	Lying Still

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.music.progressive
From: rga@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: King Crimson / Discipline question
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.101846.11572@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>Since we're discussing different mixes and the like,  has anyone else noiced
>that there seems to be two versions of Aqualung?  I bought my copy on CD long
>ago, and it is VERY hissy.  Now I hear the radio stations playing it, and there
>are differences in guitar solos, vocals, timing, and more.  Did someone decide
>that the sound quality was so crappy they had to remaster it?
>
>Just curious.
>
I've noticed the very same thing, and the reverb has a different
quality as well. I've heard that the newer, remastered disks have
"RE-1" on the them.

I've also heard that the original masters of "Aqualung" cannot be
located, and that's why Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs won't do an
Ultra-disk of it. Is this true, anyone ?

Randy
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: STEELY DAN: Need list of remastered CDs
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:22:57 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul24.172754.3043@fid.morgan.com> mkr@fid.morgan.com (Mike Rosenberg) writes:
>
>i picked up the remastered Katy Lied disc. try as i might, i cannot detect
>any difference between my old disc the new one. is this a bad example?
>are there noticeable differences on the other remastered discs? i have
>always thought that the Royal Scam disc sounded poor, but i haven't seen
>a remastered version of that. anyone have any comments on this?

It's a bad example.
The master tapes were mangled by some weird equalization process.
I've bought some of the others and the difference is not subtle.

:

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: U.F.Orb (the story continues)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:38:30 GMT

In <5zdmsfq@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>I've been told now that some copies of the new Orb video in the UK
>("Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld: Patterns And Textures") contain the
>live bonus album on CD.  True?  Can anyone in the UK help me line up
>a copy of this?  I'm serious, folks . . . I'm reduced to begging here.

I second this.  If there is *any* way that I could get a copy
(not a dub, but the real thing) of this, I would be glad to work out
the details....
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
        People say that I'm out of touch with reality.  That I'm insane.
    Sometimes I forget things.  Who I am.  Where I am.  Unimportant things.
                       But I'm not insane.  I am a tick.
From: s106917@cs.tut.fi (Suihkonen Keijo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD prices in Europe - info request
Date: 20 Jul 92 14:54:32 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.


Since the CD prices are tend to be quite high, I thought that it would be
useful to have data about the CD prices and places in Europe. 
When traveling, one would know exactly the right place to make
some shopping. If there's a database for this, I would appreciate if
someone let me know of its existence.

I am asking you to send me information particularly concerning CD prices and
stores, but also LP/MC is accepted. I will collect the results and release
them on rec.music and maybe on rec.music.info newsgroups.

The format of your message is free, but here are some suggestions what you
could include:

-indicate the country/city/storetype/store/address
-remember the currency
-form price categories: MID-PRICE, LOW-PRICE
-price of the new releases, highest prices
-bargains
-catalogue (lousy/good/excellent)(heavy/pop/blues/disco) etc.
-import/export limitations
-tax-free shopping
-special remarks
-preferably no used-CD/bootleg info, maybe later...
-comments

I really think there would be a general interest for this. At least here
in Finland new releases cost typically 100-110 FIM. That's 25-27 US$...
Especially middle Europe info are needed, since many "Inter-Railers"
visit this area.

Please, use e-mail instead of posting. Mail s106917@kaarne.cs.tut.fi
or simply reply. Thanks.

Keke
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From: Mike.Uhing@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mike Uhing)
Subject: Zep CD questions
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:03:33 GMT


I have two questions concerning the current, or recent-past at least,
releases of Physical Graffiti and Houses of the Holy. First off, for 
PG, is it still the case that the chatter at the end of In My Time of
Dying is not present? As for HotH, my version is a cyan colored cd which
states 'Made in West Germany by Polygram' Is this typical of the current
release? 
Also, when are the remastered CD's (of the albums) coming out?
Thanks for any light shedded on these matters...

     Mike


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From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford)
Subject: Re: CD DETERIORATION
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:52:26 GMT

I  just checked again and the orange colour is at the centre of the disc
too where the clear plastic centre ring abuts the aluminium/data section.

Derek Langsford
dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: CD Shipping Rates to Europe
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:39:58 GMT

In article <malcolm.711672791@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3) writes:
>
>
>>Anybody know the rates to ship CD's to Europe??
>
>I suppose it depends of what it is and how you want to go. I know Wayside
>music charges something like $7.50 for cds or lps to Europe. 

As an example, here are some exact prices for Wayside:
1-2 discs US$7.50
3-4 discs US$9.50
5-6 discs   11.50

-Andrew
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From: dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.135659.3796@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I received the August 1992 issue of Stereophile yesterday and found in it 
>a VERY interesting entry reporting on Sony's new Super Bit Mapping 
>(SBM) mastering technology.  Sony has come up with a way to provide "nearly 
>20-bit resolution from CD--without changing the CD format or existing playback 
>hardware."  The graphics in the article showed how the new mastering technique 
>dramatically improves the encoding in at least 3 ways: (1) the noise floor is 
>lowered; (2) harmonic distortion generated by truncation in the standard 16-bit
>mastering is dramatically limited; and (3) a 100 Hz sinewave at -90 db
>_looks_ much more like a sinewave rather than the stairstep representation 
>generated by standard 16-bit mastering.  The reviewer was very excited about 
>the musical effects of this technology!  The only problem is that Sony plans 
>to make the initial releases employing this technology on their Legacy label 
>with specially packaged CDs that have gold rather than aluminum reflective 
>surfaces (similar to Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab's Ultradiscs).  Thus, the price 
>is expected to be a steep $24.  However, the technology is eventually expected 
>to filter down to all CD mastering.
>
>-Lynn

I read an interview with the guy at CBS who is overseeing this line of
newly remastered CD's. He claimed that the new masters would ultimately
make their way into the standard lines, but that those who wanted to spring
the big bucks to be first on their block with the newly remastered titles
could by the gold CD's. During the interview, he said something to the 
effect of "once these titles have been remastered, the new master will
become the standard [only] master for that title; we are not going to continue
to use inferior masters for any of the CD's..." But elsewhere in the
interview it was implied that the better masters might not make their
way to the standard issues for "a year to a year and a half...".


dap
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Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
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From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:54:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul28.135659.3796@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I received the August 1992 issue of Stereophile yesterday and found in it 
>a VERY interesting entry reporting on Sony's new Super Bit Mapping 
>(SBM) mastering technology.  Sony has come up with a way to provide "nearly 
>20-bit resolution from CD--without changing the CD format or existing playback 
>hardware."  The graphics in the article showed how the new mastering technique 
>dramatically improves the encoding in at least 3 ways: (1) the noise floor is 
>lowered; (2) harmonic distortion generated by truncation in the standard 16-bit
>mastering is dramatically limited; and (3) a 100 Hz sinewave at -90 db
>_looks_ much more like a sinewave rather than the stairstep representation 
>generated by standard 16-bit mastering.  The reviewer was very excited about 
>the musical effects of this technology!  The only problem is that Sony plans 
>to make the initial releases employing this technology on their Legacy label 
>with specially packaged CDs that have gold rather than aluminum reflective 
>surfaces (similar to Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab's Ultradiscs).  Thus, the price 
>is expected to be a steep $24.  However, the technology is eventually expected 
>to filter down to all CD mastering.

Sony has been releasing CDs for some time with statements like ``For
this recording 20-bit technology was used for `high definition sound.' ''
(This is on the back of a recent CD by John Williams.)  I've also seen
Super 20 bit Sound - SBM Super Bit Mapping on the back of other CDs from
Sony.  (This is on the back of a recent CD by Kodo.)

Are these both examples of the above mentioned technology?  Neither of these
were ``Legacy'' releases.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:28:12 GMT

bondt@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Piet de Bondt) writes:

>>No doubt these questions have been asked before but I just began receiving
>>this part of the net so no flames.
>> 
>>Should I leave DOLBY on when taping a CD? When playing the tape?
>>If I have a type II cassette should I record onto the tape with the tape 
>>machine set for T-II or something else?
>>And any other advice people can give.

>You should not copy CD's but buy them ! Just kiddin', this is NOT a flame !


But you do raise an issue that I've always woondered...Is it legal (because
of loophole) to make a tape of CD you own for your persoannel use or is
ALL taping of CDs unauthorized?  What are the clauses?  Color me ignorant
of the law on this one.  Thanks for replies you legal experts!!!! :-)
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From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Game Theory????
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:18:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA
Cc: saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu
Wombat: yes
Number: 37956

In article <36022@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, marotenb@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mark Rotenberg) writes:
> 
> saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Its just me..) writes:
> 
> > I saw a CD at Tower by a band named GAME THEORY the other day and
> > was really intrigued as to what kind of band they are.  I read their
> > song titles and they were very interesting!!  Are they a metal band?
> > Experimental?  Please e-mail me with information on the band...

Not metal.  A little experimental, but still lyrical & melodic.

[...]
> I got a promotional copy of their (only?) album from Capitol.
> 

No, they have several albums.  Blaze of Glory, Pointed Accounts of People You
Know (EP), Distortion (EP), Real Nighttime, The Big Shot Chronicles, Lolita
Nation, 2 Steps from the Middle Ages, Tinker to Evers to Chance (compilation)
[I may have left some out].  As far as I know, only Lolita, Nighttime, 2 Steps
and Tinker are on CD.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: CDs mastered from records (and shouldna been)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:13:31 GMT

hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:
: 
: I can think of a few (non-boot) titles, but I don't necessarily feel
: I'd be "better off without" them. I DO wish the label had said on the
: packaging they were LP transcriptions (like maybe AA-LP-D instead of AAD)...
: 
: Deep Purple - Deep Purple; Shades of Deep Purple; Book of Tallysyn
: Frank Marino - Child of the Novelty; Strange Universe
: Ron Wood & Ronnie Lane - Mahoney's Last Stand
: Johnny Winter - 5 after 4 AM; Birds Can't Row Boats
: 
Another example is the only mail-order compilation I ever bought, 'Brits Blitz',
which, besides not having all the songs advertized, has at least one song
taken from what sounds like a 78.  Ichycoo Park (sp), I'm sure, has got to
be available SOMEWHERE, without the clicks and pops.  The fact that they didn't
even bother to clean the damn record irritated the hell out of me, both times
I listened to the compilation.  Oh well, I don't buy mail order compilations 
anymore.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: geo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: BMG CD number of Leonard Cohen's I'm your man
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: geo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036


Hi
Does anybody know the BMG Catalogue number
for the CD of Leonard Cohen "I'm your man".
I have probably thrown away the catalogues of the 
time when this CD was being promoted.
Thanks
 K.
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Department of Mathematics Graduate School and University Center CUNY
GEO@CUNYVMS1.BITNET or GEO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
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DISCLAIMER:My opinions do not represent those of my institution
From: arthurr@sol.crd.ge.com (Rick Arthur)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Van Halen
Keywords: box set?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:44:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Research & Development


	Anyone have any idea/speculation on whether Van Halen
	will come out with a Boxed Set or Greatest Hits CD?

	(I'm guessing that DLRoth stuff will somehow be contractually
	 ungroupable with SHagar stuff...)

	Just wondering,

		- Rick

_________________________________________________________________________
Rick Arthur					AI Laboratory
arthurr@sol.crd.ge.com				GE Research & Development
From: mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Columbia House
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:56:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Salivation Army


In article <22JUL199215305817@sigma.tamu.edu>, 
  rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather) writes...

>I was very surprised, because they had no way of knowing that I was telling
>the truth...

 They also had no way of proving that you received the discs, which is what
 counts.

 - snopes

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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:08:43 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <BrvDFF.L3t@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:

>>You should not copy CD's but buy them ! Just kiddin', this is NOT a flame !
>
>But you do raise an issue that I've always woondered...Is it legal (because
>of loophole) to make a tape of CD you own for your persoannel use or is
>ALL taping of CDs unauthorized?  What are the clauses?  Color me ignorant
>of the law on this one.  Thanks for replies you legal experts!!!! :-)

I've always wondered about that also:  If all these CD's and TV shows
and videotapes and softwares are copyrighted and all that, why do they
even sell blank tapes and videocassettes etc for then?


Brandon
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: uckun@hpp.Stanford.EDU (Serdar Uckun)
Subject: Re: 4 MSFL Elton CDs to disappear?
Organization: Stanford School of Medicine
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:55:58 GMT

In article <dkkm3-_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>
>ICE doesn't mention any remastering, though they do say that PolyGram will
>be using the UK masters and packaging (booklets and lyrics!), and will put
>"Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" on a single disc.  I'm glad I held off on

Does the MFSL version of Goodbye Yellow Brick Road include the lyrics (and
the illustrations)?  Also, does anyone know whether the UK (read: best
available) masters were used for the MFSL release?

-- serdar

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: ihodge@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Ian Hodge)
Subject: Re: Genesis (again)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:44:30 GMT

In article <OLA.92Jul23123051@vipunen.hut.fi>, ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski) writes:
> 
>   Don't forget "Three Sides Live", which comes in two versions (this is
> really a FAQ by now) regarding the fourth side (it's live in the British
> pressing, studio in the "regular" pressing).
> 
>   By the way, does anybody know why the four-live-sides version exists?

Is there ever a rational explanation of why record companies decide to do anything?

But besides this, I think the reson for the difference is that at least in the
U.K. all of the forth side studio garbage was allready easily
available on singles and the Paperlate EP.  I think the American record company
actually considered it to be a real bonus to make this material available for the
first time in the U.S.

Ian Hodge
ihodge@descartes.uwaterloo.ca

'death to the social charter'
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: ABBA "The Visitors"
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:24:27 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul21.190601.20523@news.acns.nwu.edu> homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Homulka) writes:
>Is "The Visitors" by ABBA available on CD format?  If so, does anyone know 
>where I can get a copy of this?  

It is, but only as an import.  There are various mail order firms
(Compact Disc Europe comes to mind), that will let you order it.
Or you can go to a record store that has a large import business
and ask them about it.

I've heard a rumor that ABBA's catalog will be released on CD
in the US sometime soon, but it's only a rumor, so it should be
taken with a grain of salt.  At the moment, the only two albums
available in the US are the two volumes of Greatest Hits.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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