HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  9 Nov 92 23:33:38 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:

>>A while ago I reposted in s.c.a.a. some of Billi Goldberg's sci.med.aids
>>articles on the Wistar Origin of AIDS Theory, which postulated that early
>>polio vaccine innoculations in Zaire may have introduced simian viruses
>>into humans which were precursors for HIV. That theory has lost some steam,
>>although it is still not clear to me that samples of the 1959 vaccine stock
>>(which were said to still exist in the freezers of the Wistar Institute)
>>were ever found and tested.
>>

>Well, this one is definitely bullshit. A merchant seaman died of a
>then-inexplicable immune deficiency in the Manchester Royal Infirmary in 1956.
>Subsequent analysis of samples retained by the labs demonstrated the presence
>of large titres of HIV. (Source, the British Medical Journal, 1988(?) I'll go
>dig out the exact reference if anyone wants it...)

The polio innoculations I was referring to actually date back to 1957,
not 1959 as I erroneously stated. I believe the case of the sailor occured
after 1957 but I dont have the references at hand. I will try to gather
them tonight. There are definitely problems with the theory, but there
are very intelligent and very well-informed people (among them Billi Goldberg
as I mentioned) who thought the theory too substantial to reject out of
hand. If anyone is interested, I can e-mail them the postings, or (better)
they can contact Billi at bigoldberg@igc.org, or post an inquiry to
sci.med.aids. I claim that the Origin of AIDS is a profoundly important
issue that must be investigated with every tool at our disposal.
Here, I am somewhat at odds with Billi and other AIDS activists,
who (rightly) claim that the origin of the plague is orthogonal to
its eradication.

I am not asserting that some cabal 4 decades ago decided to systematically
depopulate Africa, but we the African People will have to satisfy ourselves
that the hands of the White Devil do not have the blood of our Continent
on them yet again.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall                   "Dive, baby, dive. Like Johnny Weismuller."
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu        
(310) 825-7307                             - the "Real" Roxanne
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From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: Courgettes (was Re: doggy style)
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 12:42:06 GMT

Some years ago I worked at a research institute when they got their first
MRI machine. I got a tour of the new facilities of course, and my friendly
guide told me the following story:

At a similar installation (kind of a FOAF?) there was a press conference
with a guided tour. The tour included the magnet room, and of course all
metal objects was to be left outside this room. After seeing the room,
however, one photographer wanted to have a picture and returned with his
camera. The result was a broken camera and a lot of upset techs.

Guess the bunch of pro. MRI people reading this group are able to tell if
this is just a legend or a true story.

---
YuNoHoo   "will work for free travel"
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From: trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle WA
	<1992Nov10.184630.25066@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184630.25066@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:

   [...]

   On the one hand you point out that the US has been actively engaged in
   the development of super-germs for bacteriological warfare, and then ask
   us to believe that out of all the super-germs developed they picked an
   easily countered virus; one which is not specifically targeted to one
   race or type of people as sickle-cell anemia and Tay-Sachs are.

   To rid the world of black people why not juice-up sickle-cell?  If the
   US Army is using super-brain scientists to develop super-germs, why did
   they unleash a virus that everyone, even members of the Trilateral Commission,
   can get?

As a point of information, both sickle cell anemia and Tay-Sachs are
genetic diseases and are not caused by a virus, bacteria or any outside
agent.

But your point is valid.  HIV would be a pretty stupid virus to pick.

If one persists in clinging to the conspiracy theory, one must explain the
presence of HIV in samples dating from the 1950's, and the fact that other
diseases (such as hepatitis) which share the same transmission characteristics
also tend to be more prevalent in the populations that HIV is.  You'd have
to also postulate that all these other diseases are also being planted by
the conspirators.

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From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:03:16 GMT

In article <27310@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>tendering the _exact_ amount.  Now, if Denny's says we don't do
>$50s and you buy $51.25 worth of stuff, you have a $50 bill and
>five quarters, if they reject, you probably got a legal case 
>against them.  

     You'd also be feeling pretty sick by that point.

ObUL: Didn't this happen to Churchill once?

Vance "oh, never mind" Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech                    |  "Get me out of these ropes and into a
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu           |   good belt of Scotch"    -Nick Danger
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From: sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: Agincourt Computing
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:10:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.032812.6480@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

|Except:

|(1) American cases of HIV have been found predating 1959.
|(2) The high incidence of AIDS among homosexuals can be explained by
|    the efficiency of transmission through anal sex and the fact that
|    women are extraordinarily poor transmitters -- lesbians are at
|    far less risk for AIDS than heterosexuals.
|(3) The high incidence of AIDS among the African-American community is
|    best explained through needle-sharing.
|(4) The same holds true in Africa, where sterilization of needles is rare,
|    and co-factors of genital ulcers are common.

|ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 

Also:

(5) The areas of Africa where HIV infection is most common are the areas
    that practice female circumcision.

-- 
Steve Smith                     Agincourt Computing
sgs@grebyn.com                  (301) 681 7395
"Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense."
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Kryptonite bike locks
Date: 5 Nov 1992 05:11:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

RE:  What does "AFU" stand for, I wrote:

  +>Terry "If anyone knows, I'd like to know too" Chan
  
To which good ol' mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross) writes:

  +Look at the groups being posted: Alt.Folklore.Urban

Thanks, Mike.


Terry "and Jim Kirk's middle name is STILL 'Terry'" Chan
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From: reid@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Robert Reid)
Subject: Re: College Coed Murder UL
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:33:57 GMT

warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>In <1992Nov5.211623.11540@bsu-ucs> 00kjfehn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>>I have read the FAQ and couldn't find it there
>>...
>>Scrawled on the mirror in her roommate's blood is something along the lines
>>of "Be happy you didn't turn the lights on."

>Well it's a variant of "The Roomate's Death" and "The Licked Hand"
>both of which are FAQ'd, but I think we ought to add this one too.

>> and the moral of the story was to always lock your door.

>Only if you're a co-ed.  These things *only* happen to co-eds.  Men


I realize that this is a stupid question but why are female students
refered to as co-eds? If you're talking about an all women's school
would you refer to them as co-eds? Clearly that wouldn't make sense.
I guess this has a historical background based on the time when only
men went to colleges but I still think it is strange to call the 
women co-eds.

Please note that I'm not in any way attempting to make a PC argument
for anything.
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS as a Weapon.
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:04 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
Summary: Or maybe alt.the.Rothschild-Zionist.dope.cartel.killed.the.Kennedys?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>After all how many changes of government/foreign policy have you had
>in the US since 1950?

Probably not nearly as many as the number of people who seem to think
in one minute that the CIA is incompetent and in the next minute that
the CIA is omnipotent, whichever suits the theory they are discussing.

I think this subject has gone off the scope even by our Looney Tunes
standards here on alt.folklore urban, so note the followup line.

Joe "Sometimes I think we're all off our medication on this bus" Chew
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: WW11 over, News at eleven (was forpost-WWll Japanese..)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:54:02 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

I have no idea what Derek Tearne was responding to, but he writes:
  
  +Wow! World War 11 over!
  +
  +No one even told me it had started.  What happened to the wars 3 to 10?
  +Did they go the same way as VO[1-4], varieties 1-56, [1-6]UP etc...

Nope.  In World War III, the U.S. military conducted the Philadelphia
Experiment.  The aftermath of which caused all survivors to forget
subsequent wars.....

Terry "Film at II" Chan
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Calvin/Hobbes diagnosed as clinical schizophrenic
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:33:41 GMT

In article <lg6a14INN4id@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>
>Regular readers will be familiar with Calvin's usual antics as he play-acts
>with his toy stuffed tiger.   Today, for the first time, Calvin's stuffed
                                               ^^^
>tiger carried out not a joint activity, but an activity of which Calvin 
>was not aware.
>

"Wrong, camel breath!" -- Doctor Doom

It was not the first time.  What about the time travel storyline where
Calvin and one of his past selves went to beat up *another* past self
while Hobbes and one of *his* past selves wrote Calvin's report for him
and Calvin didn't even read it until he handed it in?  I'm sure there's
at least one other example but I'd have to sift through my C&H books to
be sure.

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and the Easter Bunny.
From: ccaamrg@ucl.ac.uk (Mike Gahan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time--Why?
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: ccaamrg@rs6-svr-2.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk (Mike Gahan)
Organization: UCL

I heard a story some time ago (in a pub, so no refs) about the 
introduction of DST in Germany in the '30s. The authorities
apparently decided to put the clocks back at six o'clock in
the evening (presumably to increase awareness of the change
amongst the populace). 

The confusion thus engendered, especially at the bahnhofs, must,
one feels, have been considerable.

Anyone else heard of this ?  UL or wot ?

Mike Gahan
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.fan.lemurs
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: Re: Question about "T." in James T. Kirk !!!!!! (As seen on TV)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:38:24 GMT

In article <BxGwLn.HEo@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> bwbrock@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Benjamin Warre Brock) writes:
>Tiberius
>
Tananarivo.
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Port Out Starboard Home -- That's the Life for ME!
Summary: You get what you pay for
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:44:33 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Recently, when asked the middle name of Captain James TERRY Kirk, I replied
that nobody on this planet really knows for sure.  (Maybe we should call
Bill Shatner's agent and ask).

But, just for good measure, I asked if anybody in the STAR TREK newsgroups
knew what POSH stood for.  Imagine my surprise when I opened my e-mail this
morning and received the following reply:

        "Port out, starboard home, posh is the life for me..."
                --Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
        as sung on the way to India to have tea with the maharaja...
        
        Don't want the cabins with too much sun, no?    :-)
        
Not being a big Ian Fleming fan (Does anybody know JAMES BOND'S middle name?)
and being too lazy to care, I wondered if this might be the UL generator for
POSH?

Terry "Does anybody know what IBM and DEC stands for?" Wood
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"There should have been only one. I want my money back!"  - Terry
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Urinal and electrical
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>Actually, today's Mike Royko column features the unfortunate victim of
>someone who peed on the third rail, and passed away from the resulting
>600 volts.

Sometimes stupidity carries the death penalty.
                                                    
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From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Idiot theories abound (AIDS).
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:27:10 GMT

In article <9652@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
writes:

> In article <1992Nov10.134053@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A
Ashlock) writes:

>>Darryle, AIDS appeared in the fifties.  Everything you have to say is 
>>rendered nonsense by this observation.  Could you please stop wasting time 
>>and space and
  
>Lets suppose some one was on fire (being accused) for creating 
>HIV virus, would it not be a good way to escape to claim that 
>the Virus had been there even befor for longer than his accusers
>claimed? Is such a difficult thing to infect 30 or 40 year old 
>serum with any virus?

   Yeah, thats the ticket.  And also insert HIV into stored blood 
samples from two different coutries, said samples taken from people
who died of something like AIDS.  Also, we need a magical conspiracy
capable of creating the AIDS virus (the neccesary technology is still 
covered by Clarke's axiom).  Oh, yeah, contaminate other relevant blood
samples in case anyone cross checks.

   Goddamnit could one of the SKEPTICS please construct and AIDS-was-caused-
by-the-govenment theory?  Then it won't be quite so silly.

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU 
  
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From: Jon Haugsand <jonhaug@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: What's lefse? (was Re: What's lutfisk?)
        21:59:01 PDT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
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        <1992Oct28.145004.7193@alf.uib.no> <68636@cup.portal.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:13:02 GMT
Originator: jonhaug@rot.ifi.uio.no

In article <68636@cup.portal.com> dbell@cup.portal.com (David J Bell) writes:

> 
> >Paul Olav Tvete;  paulo@ii.uib.no  ---- Ein # kan'kje vara evig, veit du. ----
> 
> Well, Paul, how about some recipes? My Norwegian-extracted wife would
> love to here about some, particularly with the holidays coming...
> 
> Dave
> dbell@cup.portal.com

Maybe Paul, who proves to be from the western part of Norway, can tell
us someting about 'smalahovud' ("sheep's head"). This is an old
tradition from 'Vestlandet' where you take the head of a sheep
(including whool and everything) and barberque it. Then you eat
everything, except the scull, and I mean *everything*.

Unfortenately, I have not had the opportunity to taste it. However, I
*love* lutefisk. The lutefisk season is just beginning. I can give you
a recipe if you like.

-
Jon "lutefisk for the people" Haugsand
---
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  Fax: 852401, Addr: Bredo Stabells v.15, N-0853 OSLO, NORWAY

From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:47:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban

> >However, does anyone know when we hav had this many living ex-VICE-
> >presidents?  We have:  Nixon, Ford, Mondale, Bush, & Quayle.  Or is this
> >statistic so uninteresting that nobody even tries to track it?
> 
> 	How about Rockefeller and Agnew?  Are they yet dead?

Rockefeller is dead, but immortalized in the FAQ.

> -Jon "But who cares anyway?" Papai

Exactly.


TGIF
Ray
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Courgettes (was Re: doggy style)
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:31:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.054351.2022@tamsun.tamu.edu> bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu
(Brent) writes:
>Now, the baby has wire in his sternum.  Because of this, they could not
>do an MRI session (internal metal and MRI do not mix).

For a couple reasons:
1. If you've got metal in a body part being imaged, the scan will show
   a large area of whiteout there.  I have pictures of my brain to prove it!
2. The metal will heat up during the scan, causing pain and (possibly)
   damage.

>From what I've read, doesn't the MRI technology rely on very high
>magnetic fields?  Aren't the high magnetic fields the basis for
>resonating the molecules (water?) in the tissue being imaged?

The field strength varies:  I don't have the numbers handy but my company
sells some low field, permanent magnet systems, as well as medium->high
field superconducting systems.

The magnet is essential because it causes all the hydrogen protons in
your body to line up in the same direction.  An antennae then beams
radio waves at the part being imaged:  these cause the resonance
phenomenon, causing radio waves to be beamed back and picked up by
another antennae.  The type of tissue in the scanned anatomy determines
the frequency (I think) of the waves that bounce back.  Somehow or another,
a fast fourier transform converts the data thus acquired into a lovely
picture of the body part that you scanned.

i _think_ it's the radio waves that heat up some metals in the body
part being imaged.

>Have you ever seen an aluminum or otherwise non-magnetic wrench?
>Fact:  all wrenches are mostly steel for strength reasons.

Yep.  Anything ferous can become a missile, if you let it go near an
MRI machine, particularly one that operates with a high magnetic field.
ObPeeve:  I haven't had free reign to experiment with such objects.

>Feel free to correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but be sure that the
>MRI image of a wrench was indeed an MRI, and not an X-Ray.

It must've been an x-ray.

>ObUrbanLegend:  My friend (the new father) was told by a nurse at the
>hospital that, "Some construction workers get small metal flakes behind
>their eyes.  [The flakes just get in their eyes, then work themselves
>to the back.]  The flakes do not cause problems unless they try 
>MRI, then the flakes are pulled forward, causing severe damage to the eye,
>and severe pain to the worker."  T or F?

I believe this could be true.

   don
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From: jhh4889@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.H. Huebner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: Still Sinking.../Architectural Goofs
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:03:32 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: jhh4889@ultb

CMU's Mellon Institute was built from stone (Granite?) that contained a small
amound of radioactive isotopes. Sophmore physics students are all
shown a gieger counter going nuts near the wall as a demonstation of
naturally high background radiation. They assure us there is no
danger, and the bricks are much quiter than "FiestaWare(TM)" dish
sets. FiestaWare was painted with Uranium Oxide.

-John Huebner
jhh4889@ultb.isc.rit.edu
From: jberger@novell.com (John Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:18:11 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <5NOV199211193166@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
>From: dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes)
>Subject: Ex-presidents
>Date:  5 Nov 1992 11:19 EST  
>The USA will soon have five living ex-presidents.  Has there ever been a time
>in our history when we had as many or more living ex-presidents?
>
> - snopes

From what I read in the paper, we had this many when Lincoln was elected.

However, does anyone know when we hav had this many living ex-VICE-
presidents?  We have:  Nixon, Ford, Mondale, Bush, & Quayle.  Or is this 
statistic so uninteresting that nobody even tries to track it?
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