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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: high mileage
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:08:18 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
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henrik@tde.lth.se (Henrik B|rjeson) wrote:
> I saw in the paper yesterday an advert for an old Honda CB 750
> at a very affordable price. The problem is that the bike has
> run approx.  18000 miles which seems to be a rather high
> mileage compared to others.

That's not so much mileage around here, where the riding season
is quite a bit longer than yours is.

> Does anybody have any experience on how many miles one may
> assume that an engine will last. Are there models more prone
> to wear than others ?  Which parts wear out and what should
> you look for buying such a high mileage bike?

I took apart a single-cam CB750 with 30,000 miles and
discovered that most of the vital parts (cam, crank,
pistons) were within the NEW tolerances in my manual.  This
bike had been ridden hard, and it held up well.  It needed
new primary chains and a new fourth gear (bent shifting
fork due to abuse).

The big question is whether the bike has been well cared for.
Look for indications that the previous owner has been careful.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R&D, U. of Ill.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:37:43 GMT

egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>1. Dictionary definitions are for people who can't handle reality (or
>was that drugs...)

But Randy specifically asked for a definition so I gave the dictionary
def and my own.  Here, I'll include Randy's question again.

RD>  If you CAN see your viewport
RD>edges, then how do YOU define "peripheral vision"?

>2. You (and Mike) are splitting hairs.  Whether the vision is
>peripheral or just "over there" (moving your eyes) is not the point.
>The point is that wearing a helmet compromises your vision.  To dispute
>the fact is an exercise in futility.  Put on a hemet and see (get it?)
>for yourself.

I never disputed Randy's claims.  I disputed his definition of peripheral
vision.  I can easily see all edges of my viewport by moving my eyes.


Bruce "why did I get involved in this silly thread"
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:56:28 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>What I want to know is, how many people have actually managed to hit the kill
>switch during a crash? [...]

I did in my T-boning of a german shepherd with my faithful '74 CL360
(The Lean, Mean, Green Machine (ret.)), while doing ~50mph (80kph).
Of course, I don't think it was done intentionally.  My thumb probably
did it of it's own accord while en route to dislocating itself on the
mirror stem.  But then, maybe my thumb is just quicker on the uptake
than I am...  ;^)

ObOriginalThread:  I'd rather slide than roll.  Sliding will give
you a nice case of roadrash.  Rolling will break bones.  I'll take
silvadene and bandages over a cast anyday!!

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
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Subject: Re: Tricks
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> If I remember rightly, it was a woman who was trapped.  She was not
-> one of the kids responsible for the noise.
->
-> The rebels used to do this to the Brits in Cyprus, except that they
-> used sharp wire which used to decapitate the hapless rider.


 The tree-hugging eco-Nazis started stringing wire across motorcycle
paths around here some years ago.  An encounter with some music wire is
one reason I stopped riding dirt bikes.

 I went home, got my .357, and staked out the area for several days on
the offchance the perpetrator might come back to view his handiwork, but
I didn't catch him.  I would've put his/her head on a post as a warning.
                                                                                            
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From: RFowler@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert A. Fowler)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:27:25 GMT

In article <skais7k@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:


>In article <1992Nov20.162634.7524@vpbuild.vp.com>, jessea@vpmeu015.me.vp.com writes:
>|[...] Besides, even if the temp is just chilly, riding 60MPH
>|can freeze your buns.  So, what to you, the experienced rider,
>|recommend for leg protection?  What about leggings?

The major sorce of frozen buns is windchill, so a windproof outer layer (
even over just jeens) makes a BIG difference.  I were chaps, but fishing-
waders (those rubber overalls), while _way uncool_, would probably make a 
big difference.
    _________________________________________________________________
                        
                        HONDA -- The only way to fly
    o          
  _/\_>   -A proud owner (just wish they were made in the USA)
 O,> / O   [with all respects to Ohio MINE were made in Japan]
           
                           CM400T/XL500R/VF500F
                             '79   '82    '84
                           
     Slower trafic keep right (SUCKzukies, HDs, etc.) ->->->->->->->
    _________________________________________________________________

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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: British bikers
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:11:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.120311.17655@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>As you may or may not know, the EC will impose power limits, noise limits,
>emissions limits and safety limits within the next 12 months. There are
>more detailed descriptions in the latest issues of BIKE and PB that i've 
>just received.
>

Yup. And that won't be the end of it. The eurocrates, if given the chance,
will legislate motorcycling right out of existence. What amazes me, both
in Europe and here in the US, is the fact that such a fairly well defined 
group (aka motorcyclists - not taking away any of the diversity within
the motorcycle community) can't get itself organized enough to speak 
load enough for their rights to prevent such legislation. The biggest
organization here in the US, the AMA, has edging towards 200,000 members -
that's a joke, considering the millions of riders.

>I'm not opposed to the emissions limits being proposed (who would??) but
>I am opposed to the power limit which is being introduced by the EC on the
>mistaken assumption that less power=less accidents. The DOT agrees that
>this is a mistaken assumption but they are not opposing it because they
>do not wish to upset other member states.
>

It's the same flawed reasoning that equates speed with death.

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: OK, so recommend some full gloves for us fingerless glove lovers
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:37:39 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <BxoCHE.IyL@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
}  Stop rationalizing and get some leather over that skin.  

Well, I don't rationalize, I simply make the choice to wear shorties
(which only leave the fingertips exposed) and chaps as opposed to 
full leather armor. I know there is a risk, but I simply refuse to
give up the ease and comfort of the gloves (I can't do *anything*
with full gloves on; not even take *off* my helmet). And I refuse to
give up the easy on/off and the poser aspect of my chaps.

But I *might* be willing to go with full gloves if someone could
recommend the following:

1) Full gloves for winter that are 0-p (zero porosity) but only just
thick enough to save my skin, and supple enough to allow me to do
simple things like put on/remove helmet, get loose cash out of my back
pocket without unknowningly dropping half of it, etc. I don't give a
rat's ass about warmth as long as the wind is *completely* shut out;
that is what silk glove liners are for on the rare occasions when they
are needed.

2) Full gloves for summer that are just like (1) only decidedly porous;
they must breathe a *lot*. Perhaps some strong soft mesh on the
unexposed sides of the fingers.

Anxiously awaiting any suggestions from all the safety mavens who have
been castigating us fingerless and shortie wearers,
-- 
Curtis Jackson	  '91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Golden "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:30:14 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

egreen@east.sun.com says:
> 
> Throttle steering?
> 
> Sure, on a bike with a sidecar, but on a motorcycle?
> 
> Enlighten me.

Ever seen a flat tracker, or a speedway bike, go around a corner?
Both are great fun for the beginner; if you back off the throttle,
you head straight for the outside wall. If you get on the gas, you
head down towards the rail.

You can also try this on dry pavement with a V-Max. GREAT fun.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Newbie Question - Oiling the Chain
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:11:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Xxdate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:06:09 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <1992Nov19.233321.19426@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Ruben
Ortega, ruben@cs.washington.edu writes:
>Given that this is about the same distance as a tank of gas, the chain
>must be oiled _every_ time you fill up?

Yes.  That's the biggest pain about chain drive motorcycles (that and 
the gunk that gets thrown FROM the chain).  If you don't lube it 
regularly, it won't last nearly as long.

- Mark
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 '90 Ninja 750
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From: djn@csc.liv.ac.uk (David Nixon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Norton Plans
Keywords: Norton
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:15:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

For anyone interested in the current status of Norton 
the main sources of information are  U.K. motorcycle
press releases and occasional mentions of their uncertain
financial situation by papers such as the "Financial Times". 

There is to be an updated version of their current "F1"
sports bike that will make its debut at this December's
U.K. Motorcycle show. This machine is meant to be homologated
for World Superbike racing. Norton are working on fuel injection
and an improved internal rotor cooling scheme. (Whether, or not, 
these ideas will feature on the new model has not been revealed.)

Norton don't seem to advertise their range very well. The "Commander"
touring model is promoted in a few trade ads. but the only publicity
for the "F1" has been a few (mixed)reviews by U.K. bike magazines.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that Norton survive the current 
slump in the U.K. economy: Their immediate survival relies upon the 
good will of various creditors.

I expect to see at least one Norton race team competing next season 
at British events but think it is unlikely that they will raise enough
sponsorship to do World Superbike.
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From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:18:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.161605.25635@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.033924.25567@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>>laws and go splatter your brains on some highway, I won't stop you. But quit
>>trying to justify the fact that you are not being the most intelligent person
>>in the world.  I really don't know why the government insists on protecting 
>>the less intelligent from themselves any.  I say leave it up to natural
>>selection, Darwin WAS right, you know.
>>
>Hey, hey, hey!!!! Apply your own logic here!
>
>Darwin has never been proven to be right in his most important theory -
>that human beings are animals at the end of the natural selection process
>rather than an independent evolutionary chain. He never found the "missing 
>link". And no less than a dozen "scientists" have claimed to have found the
>link - all which have been debunked.
>
>In case you haven't read his biography, Darwin's inability to prove this theory
>drove him insane. He couldn't converse with people, he could no longer listen
>to music or read poetry (long favorite pastimes of his). He died in miserable
>solitude.
>
>Yet another example how our educational system only tells you part of the
>story when it blesses "scientific" facts. Watch out - the same system might
>start stating "scientifically" that motorcycles are dangerous.
>
>Question Authority
>

Sheesh! Where do these people come from.  Just forget one little smiley....
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <9901072@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
>wrote:
>> 
>> Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
>> helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case. 
>
>Do you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
>helmetless AUTOMOBILE DRIVERS have resulted in death?  I say if
>we have to wear helmets based upon your 'reason' then everyone 
>has to wear helmets.  Oh, let's not forget all the money we spend
>on health care for people who slip in the bathtub, too.
>
>sensitized -- a girl friend of mine has been in a coma for five
>days, now due to a head injury incurred in an auto accident.  A helmet
>probably would have saved her.  You want to base a law on such
>incidences?

John, we'll make allowances for tha fact that you're under duress right now.
Read the post again.  It says:

>Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
                                   ^^^^^
>helmetless riders have resulted in death?

By now you should know bait when you see it.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:11:32 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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Michael.Nelson@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Nelson) writes:
: On 11-16-92, Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher wrote to All:
: 
: >Motorcycling is dangerous, it's a fact,
: 
: EG>No it's not.
:
Motorcycling is dangerous for me, the rider.
Cars are immoral, because they are dangerous for other people!!!
If I screw up driving my car I can easily kill someone. If I screw
up on my Nighhawk, then I'll probably only kill myself, maybe just
dent Joe Cager's cage. (but then I have no intention of running in
to a cage, they are going to have to do that to me to have any
fun!!)
: EG>Insert the word "potentially," and I'll agree.
: 
:     Yes... the potential for danger goes way up when you actually 
: HAVE a bike.... ;-)

	Cars aren't really that safe either are they???
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A lot has been written about why we ride and the risks involved.  I'd
like to propose that the incremental risk associated with motorcycling 
is greatly overshadowed by the daily risk of living.

By anyone's standards, I've spent more than my fair share of time in a
hospital bed, at one point very close to death.  Except for one accident,
all of my time in hospitals has been due to circumstances beyond my
control.  The time I've spent with my life dependent on clear plastic
tubes, needles, gurgling pumps, and other contrivances of "modern"
medicine has indelibly changed who I am.  It's  heightened my thirst to
experience the best things in life; among which I've found motorcycling to
be the most enduring.

Of all my scars, I can only  claim credit for one of them; a separated
shoulder from a tank slapper on an SL350.  That scar on my shoulder I can
wear proudly; a badge attesting to a youth filled with excitement,
challenge, and sometimes, peril.

With increased responsibilities in life, it is tempting to put aside the
toys of our youth on the pretense that not doing so would be
irresponsible.  Bull.  For me, to resign oneself to a domesticated life of
mediocrity is a slow, but certain death.  To quote Mike:  Go Fast, Take
Chances.  There are so many uncertainties in life, that to eliminate a
truly exciting and fulfilling sport like motorcycling on the basis of risk
is foolish.

Now go out and ride.  

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD#0000   DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:16:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 2079@tcsi.com, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <22473@drutx.ATT.COM>, car377@druhi (RogersC) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.033630.5630@tcsi.com>, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>>> 
>>> "Say on a per mile basis someone is five times (I don't know the actual
>>> figure and would appreciate it if anyone knows) as likely to be killed
>>> on a motorcycle than in a car.  That means that every 5 miles you
>>> travel in your car is as risky as one mile on a motorcycle.  
>>
>>No, it doesn't mean that at all.  There isn't any "actual" figure because
>>such figures are gross averages of poorly collected (and even more
>>poorly organized and processed) data. 
>
>Nowhere in my post did the word average appear. 
>Sheesh!

I didn't have to appear to be there.  The ONLY way you can obtain such
a figure is by playing games with accident statistics and total milage
statistics and averaging the numbers and dividing the averages to get
an "accidents per mile" number.

It is just as valid and accurate as saying "every cigarette you smoke
cuts n minutes off the end of your life."

Sheesh, indeed!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.173321.18408@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>Not quite.  Daimler invented the motorcycle in 1885.  (The car was
>invented by him in 1886).  Dr. Rudolf Diesel didn't get around
>to inventing the diesel engine until 1894.  
>
>BTW, Daimler started Daimler Automotive.  Benz bought in years later
>making it Daimler-Benz.  Daimler died in 1900.  Somewhere around 
>1920, Daimler-Benz came out with a new car and decided to name it 
>"Mercedes" after the daughter of Benz (or his son?).

Not quite.  Mercedes was not Karl (Carl?) Benz's daughter, she was the
daughter of one of the the companys financiers.  Money talks.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400           1985 ZX900 Ninja              1977 RD400D
                  "I'd rather shoot back."
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: BDIVOs in general
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:11:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.233845.12482@informix.com> dboyd@informix.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.173848.26320@twg.com> nolan@twg.com (Broderick Crawford)  
>writes:
>> 
>> Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
>> Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197 
>	
>
>What's "woman's work"?

Well, since he was talking about maybe learning to fly, I guess
he must have meant flying an airplane is woman's work.

Right, Laurie?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yamaha V-Max specs
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:22:48 GMT
Organization: Vector Zero

rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee) writes:

>                             I would really be interested in hearing from any
> V-Max owners on their perceptions of the bike.   

     I'd like to know why I never see any of them.  Really; the only
one I've ever seen "in use" was a guy at school, I guess he
graduated because I never see it parked anymore.  I haven't seen any
on the streets--why?  They look pretty futuristically cool.  Could
it be the price tag?  Everybody's got a Ninja (especially around the
malls), I saw a Duc the other day, but no VMax.
     Are sales just low on this bike?

--Jon

   jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US                     Life is like a kiwi.
   citrus.SAC.CA.US!vector0!jon
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:12:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.120452.20215@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>
>...and a helmet makes no difference!
>(flame bait! New useless thread!)

There is certainly nothing new in that useless trhead.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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