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From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Keyboard Question
Keywords: Keymidator
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:57:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


 Being a guitar player, I decided to turn my attention to the so called 
"cheap" toy keyboards being marketed in the discount houses. About
3 years ago, I purchased a Yamaha PSR-36 for it's versatility (and the
closeout price). 

I have since sold it and feel I am ready for an upgrade. My question and/or
requirements are:

	1) I would be interested in a full 88-key controller

	2) I would be interested in using MIDI (new to me) through
	   a '386 w/possible Sound Blaster card

	3) I would be interested in getting many different voices
           Sort of like the PSR-36, but many more variations,etc.

Since I am a novice by default, I am currently not looking to buy
an elite system. I have toyed with the idea of a PSR-500, realizing that
this would be a toy by some standards, but I really would like to 
"open" my horizons...

Any suggestions?

Kevin

	   
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From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,bit.listserv.emusic-l
Subject: Re: VFX questions
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:25:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

dalgic@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ismail Dalgic) writes:
>
>Last week, I bought a used VFX.  I remember the discussion about the

 <stuf deleted>

>that it has a very high quiescent noise, much greater than my U-220 or
>VZ1 or even D-110.  For comparison, it is almost as noisy as a
>Quadraverb.  Is this normal?  Is there a fix for it?
>
>Also, can VFX-SD sample ROMs be installed on a VFX?
>

Don't think you can upgrade the plain-vanilla VFX.

Noise:  yeah, it's a bit noisy.  But use standard care in setting the relative
levels of the instruments.  Crank the VFX volume slider up near the top, and
the following volume controls down, to get the best s/n ratio out of it.  And
maybe some of your patches are too quiet.

:John Seboldt...Mpls, MN...As a ham, K0JD...as a human...well,...   :
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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:16:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <0105009A.fafrl5@david.roth-music.com> david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) writes:

>What many people fail to understand is that risking a law suit is
>pretty stupid and can cost you a lot.  In order to argue your point
>it would have to be in a court room only after you spend bucks on
>your attorney. 

Yes, but from what I've heard, it sounds like you can never be sure if
you are breaking copyright or not.  For example, I could reach over to
my keyboard, press a few keys in a sequence that sounds nice then post
it here to see what people think of it.  How am I supposed to know if
that sequence of notes has been copyrighted or not ? Looking at it from
another angle, say I strung together a whole load of short sequences
which I have taken from music which is over 50 years old (out of
copyright [I think]) - it may sound identical to some copyrighted music
but would it be breaking copyright ?

Davei
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McMamara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Dumb Beginner Question
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:09:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <5470050@hplsla.hp.com> reedj@hplsla.hp.com (Reed Jacobsen) writes:
>I am a simple amateur musician.  I have a computer and a cheap Casio keyboard 
>"with MIDI ports".  I want to get a MIDI board for my computer and some software
>so I can improvise at the keyboard, look at what I played, fiddle with it, and
If you have a pc, you might want to check out Composer's Work Bench,
which is available by ftp. If you have trouble with that, email me.

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench
From: dodel@CAM.ORG (Jean-Pierre Dodel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MD-%)
Summary: D-50 Patches file format
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:58:30 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

I found on internet a ftp site that had patches for a whole bunch
of synth. However, I downloaded one of them on my mac and I can't seem
to be able to read that file with any software. What format are those
files? Can they be read with Super Librarian or Performer 3.6?

thanks...

-JP
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                       Jean-Pierre Dodel
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: wang@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Wang)
Subject: Re: More K2000(R) comments
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:55:30 GMT

scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
: LOADING USER SAMPLES:
: 
Did you, by any chance try to load samples/programs directly from an
Akai S1000 Disk?
That should be possible according to some mail I got.
I'm still considering an Akai S1000 or the K2000R. I'd prefer the Kurzweil
since it has much ... well you know it all. The issue is that we're using
Akais (S1000/PB) in the Studio and so got a nice library meanwhile.

What's about loading the samples from DAT? Also like the Akai can do.
(I know if I want a thing to behave like an Akai I've to purchase an Akai ;-)

About the outputs: is it possible to assign a layer to A/B/C/D but *not* to MIX?
As I understood in your previous post A/B/C/D provide 'just' dry (without FX)
signals. So not using the FXsection gives a total of 10 individual outs or 
are there just eight? 

Thanks,
/m

-- 
Michael Zacherl, Wang Austria Ltd., Vienna         |
E-MAIL: mza@pag.wang.co.at                         | "Proof your chances,
PHONE:  +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433                    |  and leave them or not."
FAX:    +43 (1) 894-17-14                          |
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Schools with Computer Music degree programs
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:37:34 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

I wrote:
>> ........  For example, if you go to Stanford's CCRMA, you may see
>> tons of equipment, some really impressive computer programming...

In article <1992Oct14.214024.20453@leland.Stanford.EDU> jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
>Gee, where  is  all that equipment?!?
>Jay Kadis, Audio Engineer, CCRMA/Music, Stanford University

	Hey, it's there -- I saw it with my own two eyes. :-) A whole bunch
of NeXT computers, direct digital synthesis, MIDI synthesizers galore,
little work stations (computer + synth) for classes, several recording
studios, some with raised floors for acoustic purposes, etc....  Hell, they
had a dedicated DX7 hooked up as a doorbell!!

	Compared to that, some other computer music departments have the
equivalent of several Stanford doorbells.  If you don't see the equipment at
CCRMA, you don't know how well-off you are!

	(PS:  Tell Atau Tanaka I said hi.)

                                                        Dan

 //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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From: system@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: D-50 & P2000
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:39:55 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Roland D-50 w/memory upgrade that give it 4 banks instead of 1. NOT MEX! - $700
Prophet 2000 w/mem upgrade (512K), 8 out expander, manuals, 50 disks     - $700

Shipping not included. You pay shipping.

D-50 is in the Los Angeles area and Prophet is in the Marin/San Francisco area.

<X>orcist

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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:31:55 EDT
From:         Michel Bruneau <MBRUNEAU@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      WANTED: Roland U-20

Wanted: New or used Roland U-20 keyboard.  Price negociable.
Michel Bruneau
University of Ottawa
From: laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Moog Synthesizers??
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: alien.1992Oct11.195607.1
Organization: Gull Island Consultants, Inc.



	One of my life's ambitions has been to purchase a Moog System 55
with an extra console of modules.  So far, I've collected a Moog 12 and
Moog 15.  

	Whatever happened to Moog Music, Inc?  Are they still in business,
and do they still sell the Moog Modular Analog Synthesizers?  Please either
post to this newsgroup or e-mail to me.  Thanks!


-- 
Bill Laut			Internet:  laut@alien.gici.com
Gull Island Consultants, Inc.	Phone:     (616) 780-3321
P.O. Box 627
Muskegon, MI  49440		>> "Usual disclaimers, apply within" <<
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kick Me
Summary: a great deal was missed.
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:27:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


	This Saturday, I was out of my house (working on a political cam-
paign, actually), and I ran across a copy of the San Jose Mercury News at
the place where I stopped for lunch.  As I often do, I checked the music
equipment section of the classifieds.  There was an ad which read, "Akai
S900 sampler - $500," and then a phone number was given.

	I decided to wait until I got home that evening to call.  I knew
that the price was good, but, gosh, I really felt that I should finish with
the political work before going on to something else.  Of course, by the
time I called, the unit had been sold...

	So, anybody have an S900 they'd like to sell for $500? :^)


-- 
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM ==
"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: feng@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Wuchun Feng)
Subject: Re: If you had $1500 to spend
Reply-To: Wuchun Feng <feng@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:33:25 GMT

galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.045317.22276@ncsu.edu> doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu  
>(Jeff House) writes:
>|
>|.... and you were interested in the following:
>|
>|	o 88 keys, preferably weighted
>|	o MIDI capabilities
>|	o Great PIANO sounds
>|	o Great backup STRING sounds
>|	o Ease in portability
>|
>|What would you spend your $1500 on?
>|

>A Proteus MPS-Plus.

Isn't the Proteus MPS-Plus a 61-key, unweighted keyboard?

-Wu

-- 
Wuchun Feng // feng@cs.uiuc.edu // University of Illinois // Urbana, IL 61801
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: pitch/modulation wheels
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:08:38 GMT

In article <1457000007@igc.apc.org>, Jeremy Wagstaff <jwagstaff@igc.apc.org> writes:
|> 
|> pitch/modulation wheels
|> can anyone tell me whether it's possible to buy a pitch+/modulation wheel
|> to be attached to a keyboard that doesn't have one? I really don't want
|> to have to buy a whole new keyboard...
|> tks a bunch your help
|> jeremy wagstaff
|> jwagstaff@igc
|> 
|> 

About 5 years ago, when Yamaha came out with the KX88 master MIDI
controller people complained it had no continuous controllers so
they came out with a little box that had a pitch bend and mod wheel
(and a breath controller input I think). It is long since discontinued
since they actually got it through their heads that a master keyboard
should also have various controllers on it ! You might be able to
find one used though - check with Rogue music in NY and other used 
places. Thats the only one I know of.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House)
Subject: If you had $1500 to spend
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:53:17 GMT


... and you were interested in the following:

	o 88 keys, preferably weighted
	o MIDI capabilities
	o Great PIANO sounds
	o Great backup STRING sounds
	o Ease in portability

What would you spend your $1500 on?

Thanks!!!!!

Doogie
____________________________________________________________________________
    Jeff House                     "I am nobody telling everybody about
 house@dg-rtp.dg.com                somebody that can save anybody."
 doogie@catt.ncsu.edu 			 wjhouse@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Keywords: HR16, Alesis, Librarian, IBM
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:09:15 GMT
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA


In article <1992Oct11.165102.14822@comp.lancs.ac.uk>, davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
|> Well as you probably know by now I think the whole copyright issue stinks !

What about it "stinks", Dave?

I realize that it's confusing, but what are the problems you have with
it?

-- 
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: More K2000(R) comments
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:00:00 +0000

>It is, to me, a very useful feature. For instance,
>you can actually catch a piano decay, just like pumping the damper pedal
>of a real piano. Also, you can exercise greater control over slow-
>release pads by pumping the pedal. 

Appeals to me, since I'm very much into continuous changes in
orchestration, and realising them live. Hmm. Is this feature switchable or
constant? And how does it work? Suspension of ALL envelope decay stages or
just TVA? switchable per envelope would be nice.

Of course, this is academic since I'm not going to buy a K2000R with
sampling option and SCSI anyway, am I?

Nick.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."
From: murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: I've just about had it with Performer. How much is Vision?
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:58:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Farallon Computing

In article <9210082011.aa29484@gate.demon.co.uk>,
cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) wrote:

[ stuff about Performer's unreliablilty, with which I agree]

> What's the street price for Vision? Is there a trade-in deal? It's a shame
> it's not as good as Performer for composition and arrangement, but if Doug
> Wyatt's work on OMS is anything to go by, it'll at least work.

Please post this info to the net.  I'm sure we're not the only ones
interested.

______________________________________________________________________________
Murat N. Konar                                            
murat@farallon.com
Sound Software Engineer (NOT!)
Farallon Computing, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Dennis spotted playing guitar (was Re: WANTED:Used Drum Machine/Zoom)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:12:41 GMT


In article <1992Oct8.223021.24168@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton) writes...
>Well...at least for once I've been way (*WAY*) ahead of Metlay.

You're doing pretty well on the getting your music out side, too.  I saw a
review this week of the Paula Westerfield album, with you credited with some
writing and tasty guitar.  Come to think of it, that may have been on one of
the net-published music zines, but hey, press is press.


Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: anyone familiar with Dick Hyman Moog albums?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:04:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.1507
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <41050178@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I believe there was an earlier one, called simply enough, "Moog".
>
>This would date back to circa 1968.  I had borrowed the LP from a
>friend and recorded it on a long-gone tape deck; alas, all connections
>to the album seem to be gone.  
>
>A couple of track names:
>
>  The Topless Dancers of Corfu.
>  Tap-dance through the memory banks.

   The Minotaur
   The Legend of Johnny Pot
   ...and that pleasant last track whose name I don't recall


-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tel@adimail.uucp (Terry Monks)
Subject: Re: PB100/MIDI works? SOS!!!!
Organization: Automata Design, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:08:24 GMT

I just started subscribing to this newsgroup, and so
missed any discussion of the PowerBook 100. If any
kind soul has the past material they could email me,
I would be eternally grateful. Well, at least until
next week.

I am using a PB100 with Hypercard to display chords, etc
and send down MIDI settings to an Ensoniq VFX-SD and
a Roland D-10, for our group "Called Outta Town." If
anyone is interested in my Hypercard stack, please send
email.


-- 
Terry Monks        Automata Design Inc    (703) 742-9400
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Schools with Computer Music degree programs
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:05:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Oct15.164959.29478@leland.Stanford.EDU> jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
* Compared with IRCAM, for  example, we're pretty small...
*
*Jay
*

Maybe, but compared with every other program in the area you are
immensely huge.  Quitcher bitchin'.

-- archer
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: (Where was it posted?) (Was: Re: I've just about had it ...)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:31:00 GMT


If it wasn't posted to the net, where was it posted?  Also what's this new
N. sig?

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:46:05 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.164532.14680@comp.lancs.ac.uk>, davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
|> Well I don't know what anyone else thinks about this but I certainly
|> think the situation is very unfair.  It appears to me that the copyright
|> system is rigged so that it will always help the person who can afford
|> to pay for the better lawyer. 

That's certainly one way to look at it, though it's pretty pessimistic.

All law has the possibility of being unfair, and yes, a better lawyer
makes a big difference.  Then again, so does a better doctor or
dentist or computer programmer in their fields.

Still, I don't think that the "copyright system" is rigged that way at
all.

|> When I first asked questions on this topic, I expected to hear clear-cut
|> guidelines - how wrong I was !

That's because you asked the wrong people, or at least didn't get
answers from the right ones.  I believe that there are fairly clear
guidelines, but I don't know what they are.

If you use someone else's work knowingly, the case is pretty clear-cut
already.  People who sample other peoples' works know that they are
doing this, and should know that they can be sued, so they have to find
out what the guidelines are.  People who copy music or lyrics from
someone else knowingly are in a similar situation.  In all of these
cases, if you use someone else's work to make money, you ought to be
willing to pay them and give them due credit.

The grey area comes when a piece "sounds" like another.  In this case,
it's up to the plaintiff to show that you could have heard the song,
and that that significantly influenced you in your piece.  I believe
that there are specific guidelines that can be used to decide whether
or not there is enough similarity to be able to start proceedings.
Again, I don't know what they are.

Given this, it is still possible to be wrongfully sued and lose, and
yes, that sucks, but it isn't unique to copyright law.  Then again,
keep in mind that if you are making enough money in music for someone
to want to sue you, you ought to have enough sense to try and find
out what you can and can't do.

Now, the case that started all of this was someone posting MIDI files
of several copyrighted works.  Whether you consider this a performance
or a publishment (MIDI files can be seen as either, IMHO), it still
requires that the appropriate license fees be paid for it to be
completely legal.  Similar cases have occurred on the net before.
We used to get to read Dave Barry columns in net.jokes (back in the
old days), but someone told the publisher and they said no.  Someone
posted a science fiction story once without permission, and the
author asked that it be removed from all machines.

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Newbie pc-midi card questions
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:01:35 GMT

I have recently managed to obtain for myself an Emax sampler and now need 
some recommendations for CHEAP midi-cards and sequencing software. 
The combination has to fit the following vague specs.

1) the card should fit into a Toshiba T3200 (half card).
2) the software should support EGA monochrome.
3) I would prefer something with a scrolling keyboard type notation,
   from the pictures I have seen Cakewalk has this (the only other sequencing
   software I have used (Steinberg PRO-16 on a Commodore 64) had this.
4) Boatloads of ram should not be required, in fact I am limited to a meg.
5) Windows is really out of the question, have you seen it run on a 12Mhz AT
   with a 30mS Hard Drive?
6) compatibility with other packages (a friend has/is getting Cubase for 
   windows).

next some questions about KEE midiators

Would a KEE midiator do?
How compatible is it?
What software is supported by it?
How much does it cost?
Can I get it mail order?

Thanks in advance

SiD
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