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From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: South Africa and Iran
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:57:38 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh



I just saw the movie "A Dry White Summer" starring Donald Sutherland.  It is
about a normal politically inactive white schoolteacher in South Africa who 
gets drawn into the race politics when he asks why his black housekeeper and 
his son died while in custody of the SA security forces.  The more he asked
and questioned, the more he was rejected by various elements of mainstream
society, e.g. his school and even his own wife and family.  The whites had
a derogatory term for blacks called "kafir".

It's funny, but this reminded me very much of back home, where the more one
asks questions and challenges what goes on and the rationale behind it,
the more one gets rejected and ridiculed by the powers that be.  And it 
doesn't matter if you're peaceful or unsuspecting about it either.  You
should just accept the status quo, and not doing so is considered "disrespectful
to people's beliefs" and insensitive, and in fact, you can be labelled a 
"kafir", in which case your death would be insignificant.  I guess you can
call it religious or cultural apartheid.  Just a thought I wanted to share.

May our people be free one day.


Agha Javad
(koloocheh Lahijan baz ham reseed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:28:00 GMT

farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>In article <saied.724451152@cwis>, saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>|> 
>|> [article deleted]
>|>   

>Saied*,

>could you please give us the Resolution number.  I would like to 
>request it from UN.

Sure Farhad, here it is:

	A/C.3/47/L.76
	2 December 1992
	Original: English

Also, the Galindo Pohl report has been published in its entirety
in several places (including, believe it or not, the Iran Times).
I posted its highlight a long time ago.

Meanwhile, the UNGA's resolution has received wide coverage. I
posted the report by the AP (12-04-92).  I've also read Reuters.
When I get a chance, I type the whole resolution.

And one more thing: the least you can ask from the supporters of
the Resistance is to provide you with documents and/or meaningful
arguement and discussion. We are good at that!


>You know after your 5 hours meeting with President-elct Clinton and
>AL-G including their wives. I am kinda hesitant to believe you.

First, I didn't meet with Clinton. Second, I didn't post the
news. Third, the whole meeting of the Democrats took five
hours. (I don't believe Asghar meant that the meeting between
the Resistance representative and Mr. Clinton took five hours.
Of course the Resistance representative were there during the
ceremnony and met and talked to many people. You see, when you
are invited to a party, you meet a lot of people and talk to
them.)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:10843 soc.culture.german:9214
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:43:43 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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<saied@cwis.unomaha.edu>, Saied* writes:

>And one more thing: the least you can ask from the supporters of
>the Resistance is to provide you with documents and/or meaningful
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>arguement and discussion. We are good at that!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Indeed! Just like meaningful arguments that MKO followers
	give to support their leader's theorem of "marriage by 
	trial an error".

	The problem is that those are just ARGUMENTS. Don't expect
	people to waste time for an ARGUMENT.

ShahrAm

 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Position of Iranian Women  [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:14:14 GMT
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In article <1992Dec9.234128.5154@athena.cs.uga.edu>, faris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Faris Alshemmari) writes...

>This  is the worst article I have ever read because it is inconsistent and full> of lies.

 Please be specific. What parts are lies? The fact that there is a hotel
 in that street? The fact that they perform hourly sigheh in that hotel?
 The fact that those women are the wives of those who were killed in the war?

>Behnam doesn't understand what is going in Iran.

You seem to understand what is going on in Iran. Can you tell me how many
years you have lived there both before and after the revolution?

>When he talks about women in
> Iran, I can smell the influence of Western culture on him. Unfortunetly, he
> picked up the negative side of western culture.
 Let's see what Wester Culture has to do with this.  Behnam seems to care about the well being of 50% of the Iranian population.  If this is Western culture
 influence, it must be the positive side of it.

>In me opinion, the women in Iran are enjoying the best envirnment in the world> today.

Very funny.

On another note, I wish behnam would tell us where he heard the story?

Morad
 

 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Women's pos. & Ben Mahjoor
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:24:07 GMT

In <8kewVB1w165w@halcyon.com> satan <satan666@halcyon.com> writes:

>javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:

> Hey lejan! How's SCI's biggest namard hanging? So you thought you could     
>get rid of me. Huh? Punk? Telling by this little piece of khak that got
>your mom to write it's still evident that your a traitor to Iranians all 
>over the world. I was reading how you and the rest of your jendahs,

>especially the little taki Paki, conspired to try to get rid of me! Now
>that I failed my Fortran class because I couldn't compile any of my 
>programs, because I didn't have my account anymore, I am mad as hell! So 
>Khanem Javad goodbye and will meet again because I found out how to write 
>on SCI by going through a few backdoors.

>Satan.

We should all do our best, that people like Javad never get to power.
If these people get to power, people lose all their freedom.  For example,
as you observed in your own case, they fail you just because you expressed
your opinion.  What is next?  They get your wife for their leader, if you
express yourself and tell them that they full of it?  No wonder they call
them hypocrite.

                      With highest regards,
                           Babak   Sehari.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: satan666 <satan-@halcyon.com>
Subject: !!!Satan:"Identities."
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:28:26 GMT


 I believe we all should give a little info on ourselves, including our 
real names. If others agree, I'll be the first.

"Who is this?! Who is this?!"
                            Person answering an obsene phone call.

Satan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mellissa Namazi)
Subject: Re: Women's pos. & Ben Mahjoor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:29:02 GMT

In article <sehari.724573447@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Seha
ri) writes:
>In <8kewVB1w165w@halcyon.com> satan <satan666@halcyon.com> writes:
>
>>javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>
>> Hey lejan! How's SCI's biggest namard hanging? So you thought you could
>>get rid of me. Huh? Punk? Telling by this little piece of khak that got
>>your mom to write it's still evident that your a traitor to Iranians all
>>over the world. I was reading how you and the rest of your jendahs,
>
>>especially the little taki Paki, conspire to ETC ETC ETC

>>Satan.
>
>We should all do our best, that people like Javad never get to power.
>If these people get to power, people lose all their freedom.  For example,
>as you observed in your own case, they fail you just because you expressed
>your opinion.  What is next?  They get your wife for their leader, if you
>express yourself and tell them that they full of it?  No wonder they call
>them hypocrite.
>
>                      With highest regards,
>                           Babak   Sehari.
>--

Babak Agha,

I can't believe you responded SERIOUSLY to this guy:)

Mellissa
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Re; Position of Iranian Women [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:51:39 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu

In <liqcb6INNi2h@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:


>In article <1992Dec9.234128.5154@athena.cs.uga.edu>, faris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Faris Alshemmari) writes...

>>This  is the worst article I have ever read because it is inconsistent and full> of lies.

> Please be specific. What parts are lies? The fact that there is a hotel
> in that street? The fact that they perform hourly sigheh in that hotel?
> The fact that those women are the wives of those who were killed in the war?

You are going too far here.  First, after Temp. marriage a there is two
month period that they should wait to re-marry.  2end you're taking a good
thing and mis-representing it.  I am not sure that such hotel exist, or not?
But I am sure there several places like that in the west.  However, you are
not targeting those places.  You even prize it, too.

Temp. Marriage is like much advanced form of boy friend-girl friend 
relationship.  With everything thought for, from children to everything
else.  Now, if this was  invented in the west, all the western butt sniffs
wouldn't wait till tell us how advance this idea is.


                    With highest regards,
                         Babak   Sehari.
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: RE: [(c) Iran 10000 BCE]  [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:40:59 GMT
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Mr. Naraghi writes:

  Deleted text much to dismay of the author

>==================  Message for Cyrus the Great Only  =======================
> ............koorosh, shAh-e shAhAn! You ought to arise by yourself,....
                                      ==============================




What  exactly are you implying?

a not so dirty minded fellow country man
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: U.N. Decries the Khomeini regime again
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:29:56 GMT

In <1992Dec15.215556.7714@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

>In article <saied.724451152@cwis>, saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>|> 
>|> [article deleted]
>|>   

>Saied*,

>could you please give us the Resolution number.  I would like to 
>request it from UN.

>You know after your 5 hours meeting with President-elct Clinton and
>AL-G including their wives. I am kinda hesitant to believe you.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>-- 

>   "Switch the computer off, wait 30 seconds and switch it on again
>                            if nothing happens."

>					"Stepping Up To OS/2 2.0"

Someone should have warned these people, that is not wise to show their
wives to MKO representatives.  Based on historical accounts, MKO 
representatives might ask for wife exchange to solidify their bonds! -:)

I know, one of these days Saied* is going to tell us about the reason
for another new wife for MKO's leader. -:)

                   With highest regards,
                        Babak   Sehari.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hekmat@research.ptt.nl
Subject: A NOT Rude Poem
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:03:53 GMT

Poetry has a very long and rich history in Iran. For many centuries it has been
"THE" art of the Iranian people. There is no other nation in the world who can
compete with us what the poetry concerns. 

Except for the well known poems of famous poets like "haffez", "khayyam", 
"Sadi", "Schamloo" and "Akhavan", there are also different kinds of poetry
tried in Iran. Most of these has been made when the poet wanted to take a
break, or make a joke or to show his/her talent of playing with words.

Here is one of the poems of this kind from "Toosi" that I had red may years ago
and I suddenly remembered a few lines of it again.
When you read the poem, the first "mesrrayh" of each verse suggests an rude
idea but the second one corrects it.

I have to mention that I do not have any bad intentions by posting this. It is
only meant to make you laugh a little and you should consider it as a harmless
joke.








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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:02:44 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Counting Heads
 <1992Dec15.170434.26447@rd.hydro.on.ca>

In article <1992Dec15.170434.26447@rd.hydro.on.ca>, nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca (Navid
Badie) says:
>
>RMODARR@auvm.american.edu (Reza Modarres) writes:
>
>:    Hi folks,
>:
>:        There are thousands of Iranians outside of the country, many in the
>:        US of A. I am not sure how many and where the greatest concentration
>:        is. Perhaps, Californian and Washington area are in the forfront in  e
>th
>:        US. My question simply is: what are the rough counts?
>:        I believe DC area has somewhere between 100 to 150 thousand Iranians.
>:        Any estimates in your neck of the woods?
>
>In my experience, Iranians always exaggerate the number of their compatriots
>who live in their area. It seems that people think it is a matter of prestige
>to have more Iranians live where one lives. I have heard some outrageous
>numbers:
>

   You hit the problem right on the head. I should say ouch ...
   We "IRANIANS" always exaggerate, don't we?


>- In Houston someone told me there are 500,000 Iranians in Houston alone!

   You know how cowboys like to exaggerate.

>- My relatives in LA routinely tell me there are 2 million Iranians in
>  California, 1 million of which are in LA area.

   One mil. may not be too far fetched. Just consider this: anyone outside
   of CA knows at least a couple of people in CA. If you don't believe me,
   just ask the netters! :-)


>- In Toronto, estimates range from 25,000 to 100,000 (the latter is the
>  highest I have heard for Toronto, but I guess if you ask enough people,
>  you can come up with even higher estimates.) I think the correct number
>  must be in the 25,000 to 40,000 range.
>- In 1987, someone told me that the DC area and Arlington held between
>  40,000 and 50,000 Iranians. That number seems to have gone up
>  considerably :-)
>

    I am kinda sure about the figues I quoted. You see I know them all by
    first name. BTW, DC metropolitan area includes parts of Northen Virginia,
    DC, and a big chunck of Maryland.

>: RezA
>
>Agha RezA to ke statistician hasti, lotfan baraamoon figure-outesh kon dige!
>

   My dear, it's all very simple. Any time you have a big problem just add
   water, I promise you "khodesh hal mesheh".

Take it ez,

RezA

>Cheers,
>Navid
>nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: khoda <allah@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Women's pos. & Ben Mahjoor
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: heaven
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:46:18 GMT


> mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mellissa Namazi) writes:
> 
> > In article <sehari.724573447@class1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak 
> > ri) writes:
> > >In <8kewVB1w165w@halcyon.com> satan <satan666@halcyon.com> writes:
> > >
> > >>javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
> > >
> > >> Hey lejan! How's SCI's biggest namard hanging? So you thought you could
> > >>get rid of me. Huh? Punk? Telling by this little piece of khak that got
> > >>your mom to write it's still evident that your a traitor to Iranians all
> > >>over the world. I was reading how you and the rest of your jendahs,
> > >
> > >>especially the little taki Paki, conspire to ETC ETC ETC
> > 
> > >>Satan.
> > >
> > >We should all do our best, that people like Javad never get to power.
> > >If these people get to power, people lose all their freedom.  For example,
> > >as you observed in your own case, they fail you just because you expressed
> > >your opinion.  What is next?  They get your wife for their leader, if you
> > >express yourself and tell them that they full of it?  No wonder they call
> > >them hypocrite.
> > >
> > >                      With highest regards,
> > >                           Babak   Sehari.
> > >--
> > 
> > Babak Agha,
> > 
> > I can't believe you responded SERIOUSLY to this guy:)
> > 
> > Mellissa
> 
> 
>  Thanks Babak! It's good to know that at least one person reconizes 
> Khanem Javad for the punk he is.
> 
> P.S.
> 
>  Melissa, shut the fuck up! How would you feel if some koskesh took away 
> your First Admendment rights?
> 
> Satan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: The Washington Times: U.N. decries the Khomeini regime 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:18:42 GMT

 
The Washington Times, Wed. Nov. 25, 1992
UN decries Iran on human rights 

    A UN report accused Iran yesterday of massive human rights
violations, ...

    While Iran's rulers promptly denounced the UN findings as
based on ``a Western point of view,'' exiled opponents called for
an international arms and oil embargo against the revolutionary [sic]
government...

    This [the noisy propaganda by the regime] was echoed by Ayatollah
Ahmad Jannati, a senior Shi'ite cleric, who said that Iran ``will
mobilize zealous vigilantes against the West'' and that confrontation
with the United States is likely to continue ...

    A broadcast by Tehran official radio charged that "Zionist
capitalists in the United States have actually been stage managers
of Mr. Clinton's election campaign. [!?!?] ...

    It [Galindo Pohl's report] also charged that torture was practiced
systematically in Iranian prisons to "obtain confessions or to
prepare evidence to incriminate people who apparently have no knowledge
of the alleged offenses under investigation." ...

    Noting the growth of anti-government activities, it cited a
demonstration in Mashad, where Revolutionary [sic] Guards and other
security forces fired indiscriminately at a crowd.

    In rejecting the reports, Tehran radio accused the United Nations
and the human rights organization Amnesty International of working 
"with the big powers" to exert pressure on Iran.

    Massoud Rajavi, head of the opposition National Council of Resistance
of Iran issued a statement calling on "all governments and nations to
impose an arms and oil embargo on this anti-human regime and recognize
its democratic alternative."

    Noting that "excessive repression impedes access to the original
information," Mr. Rajavi said the Galindo Pohl report "offers a
glimpse of the colossal violations of the most fundamental human
rights in Iran." ...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: koloocheh
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:34:40 GMT
Organization: Lahijan

>Agha Javad
>(koloocheh Lahijan baz ham reseed)

When did you offer kollocheh ke in dafeh bAr-e dovomesh bAsheh?  I want it.
How much?  By the way I learned from a friend here at sci that one place that
carries koloocheh is:

Sadaf
Soofer Co. Inc.
LA. CA. 90058

I haven't contacted them yet.  Not that I wouldn't buy from AghA javAd!

Regards,
Hooshyar