HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin )
Subject: Re: Little League World Series Title
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:36:24 GMT

rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:

>stocking of the team with outside 'ringers' was likely in effect from the very 
>beginning, I find it difficult to justify why the Little League officials did 
>not invalidate all Phillipine wins prior to the championship game.  Could it be
>another case of U.S. shu2-bu4qi3-de jing1shen2?  BTW, IMHO one cannot be so 
>sure that Taiwan would have won the championship had they been there, since the
>team from the Dominican Republic was dominating every other team until they 
>lost to the Phillipines in the non-U.S. finals.

I think the Little League Officials probably thought it was a waste of time
and money to replay part of the tournament, which they would have to do if 
they made the Phillipines forfeit all their wins.
From: mmanda@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Malleswar Manda ECE Grad )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: LOOKING FOR MY FRIENDS LO & CHIEN
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:42:00 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: mmanda@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Hai folks can somebody inform me about the above two Gentlemen?

Bye
Polina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: TW News 26/9/92
Organization: National University of Singapore
Source: The Straits Times
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 04:01:59 GMT


CHINA TO OPEN FURTHER TO FOREIGN INVESTORS

HONGKONG -- China is likely to open up almost all industries to foreign
investment and scrap administrative restrictions on imports after a
crucial Communist Party meeting next month, according to a peo-Beijing
daily.

"The government has developed new thinking in reforms: Aside from 'bread
and butter', everything could be opened to foreign investment",
Hongkong's Wen Wei Po newspaper reported yesterday, quoting sources in
Beijing.

The report said that the fledgling car and camera industries would
remain protected under a revamped import tariff system.

-ooOoo-

CHINESE PATROL BOARDS HK POLICE BOAT

HONGKONG -- Armed Chinese security men boarded a Hongkong police launch
and confiscated a film the police were making in Hongkong waters,
government-run RTHK radio said yesterday.

It said that a fleet of Marine Police vessels had rushed to the scene
and that the confrontation was continuing.

Police sources described the incident as "the most serious so far".

Police aboard the Hongkong boat were filming a Chinese operation
involving three Hongkong fishing vessels off Waglan Island in the
colony's south-east waters, near Chinese waters.

The Hongkong police had received a message from the fishing boats asking
for help because they were being stopped by a Chinese police speedboat,
and a police launch was sent to the scene.

Armed Chinese security personnel on the speedboat boarded the police
launch after noticing they were being filmed, seized the film and threw
it into the water, the sources said.

Alleged intrusions by Chinese police launches into Hongkong waters have
been frequent in recent months, with a dispute continuing over the
official demarcation line between Hongkong and Chinese territorial
waters.

-ooOoo-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Taiwanese Government Is Not Only Selfish ... Re: TW News 16/9/92
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:39:24 GMT

In article <80533@ut-emx.uucp>, joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
|> In article <23SEP199209550521@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>
ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes:
|> >>What about democracy and "socialism with Chinese characteristics"?
|> >
|> >	As long as the "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is under
|> >	the GREAT GUIDENCE of CCP, I don't give it any hope.
|> 
|> Even if the CCP is led by people like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang?
                   ^^

This should be was and they never really led the party.
They lost the power instantly when they could not please their master.
From: hli@bcm.tmc.edu (Hua Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: looking friends!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:45:57 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: hope


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (wallace matthew m)
Subject: teaching in taiwan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:14:10 GMT

     I have always wanted to teach english overseas.  I am looking for 
     inforamtion that might help get a job in Taiwan.  If you have any
     information, please e-mail to me.

		 Thanks in advance.
			  -Matthew-wallace@uxa.uiuc.cso.edu
From: putaiwan@sage.cc.purdue.edu (PTSA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: ITASA Cultural Conference/ Brown University
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:57:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ITASA and BTS present . . .

Taiwanese Cultural Celebration conference
Brown University
Saturday, Nov. 14 to Sunday, Nov. 15
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Schedule outline
SATURDAY: 10:30 AM  Small group discussions: our perceptions/exposures to
                    Taiwanese culture
          12:00 PM  Lunch on your own (armed w/ our dining guides!)
           1:00 PM  Speaker (either general overview of culture, or literature)
           2:30 PM  Workshop A
                    Learn an Aboriginal dance and a Hakka tea-picking dance
                       or
                    Workshop B
                    Learn Tai Chi
           3:30 PM  Workshop C
                    Learn Taiwanese folk songs, accompanied by guitar
                        or
                    Workshop D
                    Learn Calligraphy/drawing
           4:30 PM  Free time
                       or
                    Discussion: Leadership/vision for Taiwanese organizations
           6:00 PM  Dinner on your own
           7:30 PM  Prepare for Taiwan Night
           8:00 PM  Taiwan Night
          10:00 PM  Taiwanese movie or popular Taiwanese TV shows
                         or
                    KTV Night (karaoke and dancing)
          12:00 AM  More discussion on leadership/vision

SUNDAY    10:00 AM  Tai Chi
          10:30 AM  Taiwanese breakfast

registration fee:$10

enclosed are registration forms -- please print out, photocopy, and use; or
    e-mail me the same information.  The info and the $10 registration fee
    are due by Oct. 15.  In regards to housing, please ask people if they have
friends at Brown with whom they can arrange to stay; otherwise we will find hou
sing for them. Once we receive your forms, we will send out more information yo
u will need, such as directions to Brown, etc.  Registration fees can be sent
to Sabrina Su, Box 4401, Brown University, Providence, RI, 02912.  Oh, and don'
t forget to prepare something for Taiwan Night!   

Following is the info we need to register you:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name:                        Sex:  F  M            Phone #:
Address:
Need housing for Saturday night?  Y  N    Need housing for Fri. night?  Y  N
School:                           Contact person at your school:
Class:
E-mail:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Either mail to Sabrina Su
		Box 4401
		Brown University
		Providence, RI
		02912

or e-mail to

	st102187@brownvm.brown.edu

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am posting this on behalf of ITASA.
I hope to see many new faces there!

Tim Chuang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ylchang@mtu.edu (CHANG)
Subject: A title for our student association
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:17:52 GMT

Hi, netters:

   We, a group of Chinese students (from Taiwan, of course), are going to 
establish a student associate for ourself, and we need some information
to name this group. Let me give you some background informations. There are
about 100 chinese students from mainland in this school, but only 16 within
them are from Taiwan. Those mainland chinese student have already had their 
student association,"Chinese Student and Scholar association", but we don't.
Now, we would like to find a name for our new association, which can easily
distinguish the difference between the two chinese student group, but not
so polotical. However, we also like to let people know that we are from "
Republic of China in Taiwan" but not only "Taiwan". Wise netters, would you
contribute your wisdom to find a appropriate title for us? Thank you very
much.

  -- Yu-Li Chang
     ylchang@mtu.edu
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwanese Government Is Not Only Selfish ... Re: TW News 16/9/92
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 04:39:25 GMT

In article <80533@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <23SEP199209550521@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes:
>>>What about democracy and "socialism with Chinese characteristics"?
>>
>>	As long as the "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is under
>>	the GREAT GUIDENCE of CCP, I don't give it any hope.
>
>Even if the CCP is led by people like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang?

Notice how the Soviet Union almost lost all its reforms while it was still
under the Communist Party?  You have to get rid of the Communist Party
apparatus in order for the faction that loses power due to the reforms to
become powerless to stop the reforms.  And that is what the coup and the
"revolution" following it accomplished in Russia.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:14001 soc.culture.china:26496
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwanese Government Is Not Only Selfish ... Re: TW News 16/9/92
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.80533
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <23SEP199209550521@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes:
>>What about democracy and "socialism with Chinese characteristics"?
>
>	As long as the "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is under
>	the GREAT GUIDENCE of CCP, I don't give it any hope.

Even if the CCP is led by people like Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: phung@attmail.com
Subject: >To: internet!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!soc.culture.taiwan
Content-Type: text
Original-Date: Sun Sep 27 23:04:22 EDT 1992
Ua-Message-Id: <phung2720304230>
Original-To: attmail!internet!havarti.cs.wisc.edu!hknet
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Original-From: attmail!phung (Jonathan  Hung )
Email-Version: 2
Ua-Content-Id: <phung2720304230>
Mts-Message-Id: <phung2720304230>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:05:43 GMT
Content-Length: 400

Chinese Alliance for Memorial and Justice (CAMAJ)

       are happy to invite you to the

         CAMAJ Fundraising Banquet
         -------------------------

                  for
Ad Hoc Committe on Japanese War Responsibility


time:     7 PM, Oct. 2 (Fri)
location: Silver Palace Restaurant
          52 Bowery St.
          New York City

$50/seat

for further info., pls. call: (718)-768-3428
From: suewu@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Susan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ____ PLAYING_GO_*_--__-__-_*
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:56:49 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

>>Please excuse my ignorance. Is the game Go the same as the Chinese "Way Chi"?

Thank you all for your responses to my question. 

best regards,
susan wu
From: suewu@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Susan Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: *_-__--*_PLAYING_GO_*_--__-__-_*
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:26:14 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

>>to move it onto IGS(International Go Server).

G'day all.

Please excuse my ignorance. Is the game Go the same as the Chinese "Way Chi"?
I play neither of them. I am just curious. Thanks in advance.

best regards,
Susan Wu
From: lmh@LCS.MIT.Edu (Minghsun Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Any effort for TV & radio deregulation??
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:19:21 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


Surprisingly, and definitely unfortunately...the answer is no.  The
problem, IMHO, is not just in openning up the airways but also the
problem of the oppositions mustering enough man power and financial
support to set up a service that can attract a large group of
audiences. 

Furthermore, the special interest groups, who has already got their
hands on various newspapers are the viable candidates for having the
potential abnility to set up something like the three existing
stations.  However, in short, I don't trust them.  I really don't have
much respect for most of the journalists (if you can call them that)
in Taiwan.

- Minghsun Liu
  lmh@MedG.LCS.MIT.Edu
  lmh@Genome.WI.Edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:14138 soc.culture.china:26985 soc.culture.hongkong:12012
From: hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Newsgroups: nctu.ccca,nctu.announce,tw.announce,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: NCTU Newsletters available at NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:24:12 GMT
Organization: Campus Computer Communication Association(CCCA), NCTU, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Dear Netters,

This is an announcement for the availability of three newsletters from 
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan.

Three NCTU newsletters available electronically on NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
(140.111.3.21) Anonymous FTP Archives, including NCTU Campus Computer
Communication Association Newsletter, NCTU Computer Center Newsletter, 
and NCTU Library Newsletter.

Please note that all text are in CHINESE, BIG-5.

- NCTU Campus Computer Communication Association(CCCA) Newsletter
  (currently, it was published printedly together with 
   Computer Center Newsletter)

  Directory: /NCTU/CCCA-Newsletter

  Sep. 1992 Issue Contents:
  (1) Campus Computer Communication Association Introduction
  (2) A Guideline to UNIX HYTELNET On-Line Version at NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
  (3) An Introduction - NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives
  (4) A Configuration User Guide for NCSA Telnet
  (5) 4DOS Introduction

- NCTU Computer Center Newsletter

  Directory: /NCTU/Computer-Center-Newsletter

  Sep. 1992 Issue Contents:
  (1) Computer Center Announcement
  (2) Laser Printer User Guide for NCTUers
  (3) Index for Volume 51 to Volume 72
  (4) articles from CCCA

- NCTU Library Newsletter

  Directory: /NCTU/Library-Newsletter

  Sep. 1992 Issue Contents:
  (1) How to Make Use of Library
  (2) Introduction to Library at National Jiao Tong University in Beijing
  (3) Introduction to Library at National Jiao Tong University in Xian

All the best,
---
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
TWNR Moderator, NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archive Manager
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: A title for our student association
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:00:53 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep26.211752.15863@mtu.edu> ylchang@mtu.edu (CHANG) writes:
>Hi, netters:
>
>   We, a group of Chinese students (from Taiwan, of course), are going to 
>establish a student associate for ourself, and we need some information
>to name this group. Let me give you some background informations. There are
>about 100 chinese students from mainland in this school, but only 16 within
>them are from Taiwan. Those mainland chinese student have already had their 
>student association,"Chinese Student and Scholar association", but we don't.
>Now, we would like to find a name for our new association, which can easily
>distinguish the difference between the two chinese student group, but not
>so polotical. However, we also like to let people know that we are from "
>Republic of China in Taiwan" but not only "Taiwan". Wise netters, would you
>contribute your wisdom to find a appropriate title for us? Thank you very
>much.
>
>  -- Yu-Li Chang
>     ylchang@mtu.edu
	
	How about the "Taiwan Chinese Student Association?"
	Maybe the "Chinese Taiwan Student Association?"

Just trying to help

- C. H. Yang


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: asw1242@venus.tamu.edu (WONG, AUDREY SUE WAH)
Subject: Re: MIDWEST ITASA CONFERENCE AT ILLINOIS (repost)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: ITASA, Taiwan, conference, Illinois, culture
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:42:00 GMT

In article <Bv7vBE.IMo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron Riverwatcher) writes...
>ctt31684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ching Tai) writes:
> 
>>The account is not "paid" as you might think it, Chaun.  As far as I can tell,
> 
>It's Chuan.
> 
> 
>>there's at least one supporter for me.  Too bad I can't say the same about 
> 
>So you admit that you are using two accounts. You are your only supporter.
> 
>>you.  Look, where's Tani in this mess?  And Rick Lin and Chuan (Tron 
>>Riverwatcher) might as well be one person.
> 
>Rick and I are definitely two different people, unlike Elvis and Ching.
>It's pretty pathetic to suggest that Rick and I are the same person when you
>come over here all the time and know we two people.
> 
>Just face it, there are three of us and one of you. You have no supporter.
>If you consider Tony Shan your supporter then you should take a reading
>comprehension class.
> 
> 
>Chuan



     Could you guys please quit?  How old are you all?  Please respect 
yourselves as well as all  of the netters.  There are so many other IMPORTANT 
EVENTS going on in this world that needs our attentions!!!!  We don't have time 
for your silly conflicts.  I am so ashamed of you all!!  Try to post something
more constructive next time.  Don't expect we are as shallow as you are!!!!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Any effort for TV & radio deregulation??
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:39:21 GMT

To become a truly democratic society, freedom of speech is
essential. The press is now fully deregulated in Taiwan, but not TV
and radio.

DPP has been protesting KMT's monopoly in TV and seems not making
any significant progress. I vaguely remember that a radio talk show
(in Taiwanese) host, Wu2 Lier4-Tien1, had once tried to set up a
fourth channel about two years ago. But he was arrested and charged
with violating Guan3-Dien4-Fa3 (Broadcasting and Radio Regulations).
His equipments were confiscated. This Guan3-Dien4-Fa3 should really
be revised to accommodate the strive for a real democratic society.

This is a very good issue and should appeal to a very large group of
rational people in Taiwan. In the face of the upcoming election for
Legislators, it is to the political benefits of the candidates to
adopt this issue as part of the core of their platforms.

For those who are familiar with the most recent heartbeats of Taiwan:
Is there any vigorous effort trying to push for TV and radio
deregulation? Is there any candidate for Legislature Yuan using this
issue as an important part of his/her platform? Thanks.

- Allan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: *__--_-__-_*_PLAYING_GO_*_-___--__*
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:42:17 GMT

In <1992Sep24.162041.20875@news.ysu.edu> af378@yfn.ysu.edu (Jason Huang) writes:


>You can play the GO game live

>try:.......

>telnet icsib18.icsi.Berkeley.EDU 6969
>login/passwd:go

>have fun.....

>-- 

login/passwd is anything you like as long as the login name is not used by
others. Also check ftp site 'ftp.u.washington.edu' at the public/go to get
client programs for X-windows, PC, Macintonsh, amiga... and all the intro.
stuff.. There is also a news group here rec.games.go discussing the game.
Better than fruitless arguements here, IMHO. :)

have fun!



-- 
Hui Huang		Hui_Huang@UManitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
                        Phone: (204) 275-5278
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:25:35 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Oct2.144415.7568@menudo.uh.edu>, chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:
|> [stuff deleted]
|> >
|> >Well, that's crap.    There are some strictly limited things 
|> >that Governments can do, but most of the broad economic trends   <---
|> >are actually outside the control of Government, and blaming      <---
|> >the Government the the British buying too many imports is just 
|> >silly.
|> >
|> >jon.
|> 
|> That's the oldest one in the book, Jon. US Republicans have taken 
|> up the same track for this presidential election -- the economy 
|> *is* a mess, but don't blame us, blame Congress! (oh, and vote 
|> for Geogre and hence 4 more years of the same thing anyhow). 

You must be Mr Huntbach's cousin.   You've neatly confused two 
distinct issues here.    Reagan/Bush has totally screwed up the
country's fiscal management by running a horrendous deficit for
far too long, and if they blame that on Congress, they simply lie.

But screwing up fiscal policy is something a government *can* *do*.
That is, there is a mechanism in place which allows a sufficiently
iodiotic admininstration to cause this frightful mess to come about.

There is *no* such mechanism to allow a Government, no matter how
talented and well-meaning, to make the economy better.   Of course,
they can do some marginally useful things, a free-trade agreement
here, a training scheme there, a national health insurance scheme, 
and they can get in the way a bit by over-taxing and over-regulating, 
but the Cabinet and the Pentagon combined can't make me write a 
bug-free program, or make my Manager meet a deadline.   That's up 
to us.

|> Be honest; would you, or John Major, pause for a *millisecond* 
|> to bask in the glory if the economy was "working" under the
|> envigorating "forces of competition and the free market"???   ;=)

And if I take credit for tomorrow's weather, will you conclude I
actually caused it to happen?

Smileys?   We don't need no stinking smileys.

jon. 
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:53:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Guy Fawkes night (was: Halloween in England)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>From article <1992Sep28.164023.22610@osf.org>, by dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks):
>> "Bob-a-Job"?
>> -- 
>> David Brooks                                 dbrooks@osf.org
>> (who remembers slaving in the hot sun for 3 hours and getting paid a
>> shilling by a literal-minded old skinflint)
>
>Know the feeling. The Scout Association have turned it into 'Job Week'
>with no price specified.

Well, it's hardly a recent change.  It was 'Job Week' when I did it, nearly
twenty five years ago.  Some phrases seem to live in the public consciousness
long after they have ceased to be used in their original context.  Another
one related to the Scouts is 'Dyb Dyb Dyb', which, again, had gone out of use
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british