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Subject: Doctor Who restoration 
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:08:20 +0000

In article <1elheeINNhte@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:

> Not quite...the BBC during the 1970's had an agreement with equity that
> they would not repeat anything more than 3 years after it was originally
> shown.

Isn't the current rule that they cannot show anything more than twice until
all the performers are dead? Otherwise they have to renegotiate the fees;
the BBC being strapped for cash means that they wont do that very often.

> It is a little unfair to say that the BBC had no criteria
> when it came to wiping tapes.

I still think that they had NO criteria for what they destroyed. The
algorithm probably went something like this: ``if it's close to the door
then bin it''.

> They weren't just victimising Doctor Who,
               ****
Never a truer word spoken. What you really mean is that they picked on any
programme which was not considered to be of high-litery merit nor
high-brow.

> ...they wiped vast amounts of other programmes, most
> regrettably:
> ....Do Not Adjust Your Set

Wasn't this an ITV production? Denise Coffey; Bonzo Dog Band; Michael
Palin(?) etc.

>         and yet they kept almost every edition of Blue Peter!

Yet the only thing they repeat is the defaecating elephant!

>         The real crime is that no-one at the BBC had the
> forsight to realise the commercial potential and popularity
> these programmes would have in the future. 

The question is whether they have yet acquire such foresight?

>                         Jonathan Morris

I'll resist the temptation...

Regards, Trevor.

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Trevor Jenkins                                                Re: "deemed!"
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU, England
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk                               radio: G6AJG  
phone: +44 (0)923 776436
From: imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Press Gang
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:28:56 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
X-Local-Date: Thursday, 19th November 1992 at 1:28pm GMT
Originator: imc@msc5.comlab

In article <1992Nov13.030623.4227@darwin.ntu.edu.au>, i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (  ***THE WIZZARD***) wrote:

>-Other tv shows/films the actors have been in
>-Current status of the show
>-Episode dates

Here is a partial answer.

A rerun of series 1 in the UK on Channel 4 finished on 7 April 1991.  (I
have no records prior to March 1991).  Series 3 was first broadcast on ITV in
the six successive weeks between 7 May and 11 June 1991 (inclusive).  The 13
episodes of series 2 were then repeated on Channel 4 in successive weeks
between 29 September and 22 November 1991.  Series 4 was broadcast on ITV in
the six weeks between 7 January and 11 February 1992.  Series 3 and 4 were
then repeated on Channel 4 in 12 weeks between 23 February and 10 May 1992.

Four series exist at present.  Channel 4 told me a few months ago
that Central TV did not plan to make a fifth series; however a couple of
weeks ago the Radio Times did a paragraph on Julia Sawalha, mentioning in
passing that a fifth series would be made next year.

I don't have a list of other credits for the actors, but I'll see what I can
remember.

Most notably, Julia is appearing in a BBC sit-com "Absolutely Fabulous" with
Jennifer Saunders and Joanna Lumley.  Although hers is not a "main" role,
she was on screen for about half the time in the first episode.  Only one
episode has so far aired.

Julia also appears in ITV's "Second Thoughts".

Several of the actors (Julia, Paul Reynolds, Lee Ross) have appeared in bit
parts in the BBC drama "Casualty".  Paul also appeared in "The Bill" a few
months back.  Dexter Fletcher was in one episode of "Murder most Horrid"
last year.

Also, did you know that Dexter appeared in the Film "The Elephant Man"?  He
was the boy who appeared several times throughout the film.

>Please reply to this posting as I am (generally) unable to read this
>newsgroup.

Just this once, then.  A copy is being sent via email.

Ian Collier
Ian.Collier@prg.ox.ac.uk | imc@ecs.ox.ac.uk
From: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Rik Mayall
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:25:17 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)


   All of the "Dangerous Brothers" sketches from Channel 4's "Saturday
Night Live" prog are available as a video collection, which includes the
banned one never broadcast. It is very very funny!

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| Gary Bradley        |   "You receive a love letter from me and |
| ORACLE Corp, UK     |                  you're f*cked forever!" |
| Edinburgh, SCOTLAND |        - Frank Booth ("Blue Velvet")     |
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From: robinson@next532-2 (Scott Robinson)
Subject: Re: Robin of Sherwood
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.092647.10587@cs.nott.ac.uk> rjt@cs.nott.ac.uk  
(Richard Thomas) writes:

    [munch munch]

> Robin of Sherwood is without doubt the best television
> program that has ever been made.

I guess your choice of school (Nottingham University) is just a  
coincidence then...   ;-)

Its one of our favorite shows, too..
--
J. Scott Robinson              Computer Sciences Corp.
      EMail: robinson@next532-2.gsfc.nasa.gov
    Flippin like a pancake, poppin like a cork...

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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Doctor Who restoration 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:23:45 +0000


In article <1992Nov19.124851.11036@spider.co.uk> colint@spider.co.uk writes:

> The BBC somehow managed to wipe a whole load of MASTER tapes in the early 70s
> of various programs...

You make this sound like it was an accident! They deliberately DESTROYED
those tapes on the grounds of...

    artistic merit? NO
    technical quality? NO
    contenious content? NO
    commerical interest? NO
    lack of storage space? YES YES YES
    
They weeded the tape store simply because it was getting full. They applied
no criteria to this wanton destruction expect that the BBC has always
wanted to be rid of Dr Who.

Regards, Trevor.

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Trevor Jenkins                                                Re: "deemed!"
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU, England
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk                               radio: G6AJG  
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From: lskinner@emr1.emr.ca (Lauren Skinner)
Subject: Re: UK TV Reporting
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:30:12 GMT

In article <2743.imc@uk.ac.ox.prg> imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
>I have been asked whether I (or someone) could post on a regular basis
>information about important programming that is likely to show up later on
>US television services.  This article is to ask UK readers for volunteers,
>and other readers what information would be desired.
>So... How much interest is there in this project?

As an enthusiastic fan of British comedy, satire, SF and drama, stuck here in
Canada, I would be very interested in being kept abreast of what is currently
telecast in the UK  --  not just in what *may* eventually come to North
America.

I am contemplating buying a Panasonic AG-W1 multi-standard VCR, which as I
understand it, is capable of taping from NTSC TV, in either NTSC or PAL
format, and also, of playing PAL tapes on an NTSC television.  If I *do*
buy one, I would maybe like to arrange to swap tapes with some kind [and
reliable] soul in England who would be willing to tape stuff for me over 
there.  In return, I would be willing to tape programs like STAR TREK NEXT
GENERATION or QUANTUM LEAP, since we seem to be about 2 years ahead.  
Anyone interested??

>What information would readers like to see? 

Grouped by genre maybe, eg. drama, comedy, sf, historical, mini-series, movies;
precis of what the thing is about; most importantly, who is starring in the
program, because there are various actor/actresses that I look out for.

Lauren Skinner
From: fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Press Gang
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:28:14 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
> months back.  Dexter Fletcher was in one episode of "Murder most Horrid"
> last year.
> 
> Also, did you know that Dexter appeared in the Film "The Elephant Man"?  He
> was the boy who appeared several times throughout the film.

Dexter Fletcher has been acting since early childhood.  I first saw him in
Bugsy Malone in 1975 where he played BabyFace ("pass this to Babyface, but
I am Babyface!").  He was in Carravaggio, The Ragamuffin Man(?), The Rachel
Papers, *loads* of stuff, and he's done a lot of theatre as well.  Oh yeah,
I saw him recently in the repeat of the BBC play "Dread Poets Society" in
which he played Keats.  He must be about 25 now.  I'm surprised he isn't a
major star yet, but I guess he won't be unless he does a Patsy Kensit and
sells out to Hollywood (though she hardly had to sell out come to think of
it).

-- 
 Catherine 
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Lulu (was Re: SNL on BBC2)
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:11:16 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <6788@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk writes:
>In article <6069@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
>writes:
>|> The whole thing feels like a late 70's light entertainment show by someone
>|> like Lulu rather than a hard edged comic/music show such as OTT or even the
>
>Don't knock Lulu - she had Jimi Hendrix on once. 
>Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre


Who's knocking?  I was just making the point that the version of SNL that we
get in the UK is a pale shadow of what it could be - would the current
producers of SNL have Jimi Hendrix on as a live act? ( assuming he weren't
dead.)

Since we're on the subject, Sounds of the 60's/70's is brill - at last
there's a music show on TV with music I can turn up LOUD.



-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.tv.uk:6270 alt.comedy.british:2397
From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,alt.comedy.british
Subject: Re: Rik Mayall
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:51:37 GMT
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In article <wf1zjku00iV4E5UHBP@andrew.cmu.edu> Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>>Black Adder
>>>>    Series 2: RM appeared in episode 1 as "Lord Flashheart"   [4]
>>>>    Series 4: RM (and AE) appeared. (episode number, anyone?) [3]
>>>>    All four series of Black Adder are available on video.
>> 
>>>It was episode 4 in series four that Flasheart reappeared.
>>>The episode title is "General Aviation"
>> 
>
>Nope. There was a Lord Flasheart in Series 2: He was the guy who married
>Black Adder's Fiance (her name escapes me at the moment) at the altar.
>(He was supposed to be Black Adder's best man.)
>
Actually you're both right. He was in series two as both posters mentioned.
But the third poste seems to have forgotten when Captain Flasheart shows up
to torture Eddy once again. Actually both he and Bob, who drives a jeep for
Melchet. The episode is a riot. In total he was in three Black Adder episodes
spanning over the 4 shows.
--Matt
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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: BBC's BiteBack the dog with no teeth
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:00:07 +0000

It was my misfortune to watch BiteBack yesterday (Sunday BBC1). This is
supposedly the opportunity for the viewers to quiz the programme makers and
for the balance to be redressed.

The programme's logo is a dog with big teeth however by the time the
presenter (Sue Lawley) opens her mouth it is obvious that the poor dog has
had its teeth pulled out. We are treated to the usual BBC holier-that-thou
attitude and supercilious comments.

There were two good things about the programme one was the news that the
British Government's Green Paper about the BBC is to be published sometime
before the next BiteBack edition. [A Green Paper is a consultation document
issued by the Government when they want to elicit public comments; the hope
is that interested parties will read the document and provide the powers
that be with a broader view on the issue.]

The other good thing...? Oh, getting to see the face of one of the
continuity team cos normally we just hear their voices. :-)

Regards, Trevor.

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Trevor Jenkins                                                Re: "deemed!"
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: UK Gold contact address
Date: 14 Nov 92 11:49:17 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


The following address was given out on Oracle this morning...

Sue Farr
Marketing Department
UK Gold
306 Euston Road
London
NW1 3BB

Presumably other UK Gold departments can be reached with suitable
modifications to the first two lines.  No phone no. was given.

-- 
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UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
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From: feldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Todd J. Feldman)
Subject: The New Statesman - New Series!
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:36:05 GMT

Fellow "New Statesman" Fans,

Hello!  After becoming addicted to "The New Statesman" and returning
to the States, I am jealous as heck to hear that a new series is being
shown in England.  Is there anyone who has been taping the series and
wouldn't mind making a copy for me?  Of course, I will pay for all tapes and
postage, and I can take care of the PAL/NTSC transfer.

I will be forever grateful....

Thanks VERY much,

Todd Feldman
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Dr Who
Date: 21 Nov 1992 12:17:31 -0000
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In article <3226@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
>
>    UK Gold are apparently going to transmit ALL of Doctor Who from the
>beginning to the end, in original broadcast order. BUT they will only
>transmit complete stories (those with no episodes missing). This is why
>UK Gold subscribers have seen (in order), Unearthly Child, Edge of
>Destruction, The Aztecs...etc. Personally, I'm buying in the video tapes
>now and waiting till it gets to the Pertwee era!!
>
	Er...UK Gold have so far missed out:
		The Daleks
		The Keys Of Marinus
		The Sensorites
			ALL of which are complete and suitable to be
	broadcast. So why haven't they been shown?
						Jonathan Morris
From: ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: The Adventure Game
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:26:53 -0000
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In article <925019175030@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> STUCS205@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>Do you remember the television show 'The Adventure Game', this was one of the b
>est Children's quiz shows that has ever been made. Anyone know where videos for
> this are available? or why the show was stopped?
>                replies to stucs205@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 aka Mark Ridley

The first series was the best, it went down hill and very samey from
then on. Apparently there might be a new program next year (or so)
which is very loosly based on it. But then again.....

Ian

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From: STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Drop the Dead Donkey II
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:41:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Two little pieces of info. I think that DTDD was first broadcast in 1988/9 and
there will be a new series very shortly (late dec early jan). The only programm
e which could lay claim to being the precursor to DTDD was a programme set in a
 Newspaper Office called HOT METAL starring Robert Hardy (in the mid 80's) if
anyone can remember it.

            thoughts please to stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 (JANET Address)
                               stucs204@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk (INTERNET)

                           aka Richard Thomas
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Not more sport on British TV! :-(
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:58:40 GMT
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In article <721744800snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>
>In article <2705.imc@uk.ac.ox.prg> imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
>> ...  Basically, I choose what I want to watch and then turn on the TV at
>> the right time.
>
>Ah but if you want to relax then one wants a choice from which to choose.
>Sunday afternoons there isnt one. :-(
>
>Of late my short-wave radio has seen much activity from the BBC world
>Service---at least that's sacrosanct.

What, no second half commentary from Millwall v West Ham or one of Sunday's
FA Cup Ties?!?! Bloody liberty I call it!

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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Tomorrow People sighted.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:55:49 +1100
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asr@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angus "Furry" Rae) writes:

>I saw the trailer a couple of weeks ago, and noticed one thing - they
>used the term "teleport" all the time, even in - well, "combat"
>situations. I hope they shorten it, not necessarily to "jaunt", but to
>something one syllable long - it's a lot quicker to say.

>Doesn't this imply that this group of TP have no link with the first
>group? If they first group had helped them break out they would have
>picked up the terminology. Kind of implies that something mysterious has
>happened to the first group....
From the article I read in TV Zone, I gathered that there was not meant
to be any connection with the original series except that the concept
is the same, though perhaps a bit more realistic.

I think the term "teleport" is used because it is a much more well-known
word than jaunt, which, you may be surprised to discover, was not first
used in The Tomorrow People, but in Alfred Bester's novel "Tiger Tiger"
(though I think it might have had another title also) where the origin
of the word was that it was named after the first person to teleport.
In one of the Tomorrow People novels, I can't remember which one,
the comment was made that the term "jaunt" was taken from an SF novel
that one of them had read, so that's more support for this idea.

But for me, as I expect for many people, I first heard of jaunting
on the Tomorrow People, and it wasn't until many years later that I
read Alfred Bester's novel.

Please excuse if I have the author's name incorrect - I have a sudden
misgiving that I might have!

Kathryn Andersen
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From: amcalind@cs.strath.ac.uk (Anthony McAlinden IE91)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Press Gang.
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:55:19 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: amcalind@simpson-05


I've watched this little "Press Gang" thread develop over the past week,
before deciding to post myself. When the mysteriously surnameless Mark,
aka stucs205@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090, mentions the feature length episode,
supposed to screen around Easter, I wonder where he got the date from?

In fact, all the "Going Live" interview mentioned was the fact that such
an episode had been written, and would screen "sometime next year".
Since then, though, there has been much more up to date information, in
both a short article about Julia Sawalha in "Radio Times", a couple of
weeks ago, and from Julia and Dexter Fletcher's appearance on "The Word"
at around the same time.

So far as I can make out, there may actually be a fifth complete series.
The "drama" slot on Childrens ITV is currently occupied by "Childrens
Ward", and traditionally, "Press Gang" replaces this at the start of
the new season.

But aside from the question of a new series, and even being very
objective in a way that some earlier posts haven't been, there is
little doubt that "Press Gang" is an immensely good programme. It
innovates in a way that "Grange Hill" did in _its_ classic early
years.

The success of the show is down to the fact that it has no weak point.
The scripts are consistently excellent, although the most recent series
wasn't as good as those that had gone before. Next come the actors, all
of whom are to my mind used to their best advantage in the programme.

When they appear in other shows, they are let down by the scripts, and
the poor technical quality of most UK TV that contrasts so strongly
with the innovative direction and realistic sets used in "Press Gang".

I myself am looking forward to some fresh episodes, and hoping that
they'll bring back the character of Kenny, who is really crucial to
the whole programme.

I'll end this with a request though. Does anyone have the whole of
the first series on video? I started watching at the third series,
and have every episode from "At Last A Dragon" in the second series
on tape, thanks to the C4 repeats.

Otherwise, we'll have to pester Central TV and get the series officially
released on sell-through....

Replies and further discussion appreciated. Lets keep this thread alive!

Tony.

- Tony McAlinden, Computer and Electronic Systems 3rd Year,
- University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland.
- email : amcalind@cs.strath.ac.uk
 
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