HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bennett@mp.cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett)
Subject: Re: How much air transport between north and south hemisphere?
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:24:18 GMT

In article <8020@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> albert@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Albert E. Chou) writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have USENET access.
>
>---
>Question:  How much air transport is there between the north and
>south hemisphere?
>
>I've heard it argued -- I believe erroneously -- that there isn't
>much based on the idea that the flow between the two tropical 
>Hadley cells converge in the lower atmosphere and diverge higher 
>up.  The 1953 Glossary of Meteorology notes that the ITCZ 
>  [remainder deleted  --SJB]

     I remember reading several months after the Chichon eruption that
approximately 15% of the stratosphere-borne material from that eruption
had crossed into the southern hemisphere within the first three months.
If anyone reading this happens to recall a reference to a paper descri-
bing the measurements, please post it.
     Thanks.


                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
                                  Systems Programming
                                  Computer Center
                                  Northern Illinois University
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From: capskb@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Keith Brewster)
Subject: Re: Decoding ASOS observations
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:21:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Keywords: ASOS, Surface Aviation Observations 

Oops, there was a typo on in my previous post:

ZRNO        Freezing rain sensor operational

should read:

ZRNO        Freezing rain sensor NOT operational

Keith
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: McHurricane problems
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:50:05 GMT

There is a new hurricane tracking program for the Mac available at 
mac.archive.umich.edu that is called McHurricane.  I have a problem
starting it up, as when it gets to the title screen, my Mac freezes.
I found out through experimenting that it seems to be an init that is 
causing it.  Does anyone have any idea what init incompatibilities there
is with this program?

******************************************************
Scott C. Walker
walkersc@esvax.dnet.dupont.com

+++The few opinions I express are not the opinions of my employer.
"What's settled down?  Settled down is you get married and then you buy a
house.  You can get a wood house, a plaster house or a stucco house.  
Oh, how you can get stucco!"  - David Lee Roth, on Rockline, stolen
from Groucho Marx.
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: jonb@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jon Burnett)
Subject: Home computer recommendations
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:16:26 GMT

Hello,
I am shopping for a home computer and am in the midst of the 386/387 vs. 486 vs. 
MacII choices this week. I am interested in linking into weather data, perhaps
satellite weather data as well as dial-up weather data.

Would anybody have any general recommendations on what I should be looking for
in a PC or Mac configuration for interfacing with weather data sources?

Should I be looking at any receivers or special communication hardware before I
blow my budget?

Is the Mac or PC in any way better than the other for these functions (more
software available for other weather programs, better at number crunching, etc)?

If anybody has a set-up that has worked well for them, that would be good info.

Thanks,

Jon

Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: amos@huji.ac.il (amos shapir)
Subject: Re: Maples are yellow in Denver
Reply-To: amos@cs.huji.ac.il
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:40:49 GMT

joeb@atmos.washington.edu (Joe Barsugli) writes:

>The explanation in the newspapers around here is that drought stress
>is the cause.

Some trees are turning here in Jerusalem too - mainly poplar, but only
of specific types.  It can be due to a combination of this winter's
unusual snow, last year's drought, and the recent hot spell.  Is there a
tree doctor in the audience?

--
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Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science.
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From: cuilla@neutrino.EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Cuilla)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Magnetosphere question
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:26:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cuilla@neutrino.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: neutrino-atm0.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: magnetics


Greetings,

	I am interested in the earths magnetic field. From high school, I remember magnetic fields being measured in `flux/gauss, or maxwells`. If this still is the term used, then what might the answers be to the following questions;

1. What is the earths magnetic field strengh, and from where [distance] in the atmosphere was it measured at?
2. Is there a frequency modulated with it; ie. 400 Hz or something ?
3. Is the strength of the field linear from the equator to the poles ?
4. Does the magnetic field get "distorted" or effected during heavy thunder/lightning storms ?

Under a different subject but somewhat related....

5. I heard something mentioned that a study of earthquake magnetic phenomena from satelittes or the space shuttle was being investigated. Anyone hear, or know where I can learn more of this?

Thanks in advance

Rick Cuilla


Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: jongj@nijmeg.ingr.com (jorrit de jong)
Subject: Records in nr. of lightnings in The Netherlands
Summary: Lightnings records broken in Netherlands
Keywords: lightning Netherlands records
Organization: Intergraph Nijmegen
Distribution: sci
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:11:33 GMT

I am trying to find more detailed data about the record number
of lightnings in the weekend 5-6 Sep 92 above The Netherlands.
The newspapers wrote about it, but I am looking for numbers.

Is there any ftp-node where I can find this data?

Jorrit de Jong

Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Phone +31-80-525760  Fax +31-80-525724  BBS +31-80-541100 (misty)
Mail path : j_jong@nijmeg.ingr.com
AppleLink : HOL0134
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: jward@louie.met.fsu.edu (Jeff Ward)
Subject: Re: Watching AURORA TV
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:26:51 GMT



Whew!  Sorry to get off on that ducting tangent, gang.  I must have
had a nerd attack :-) Won't happen again!  I was just suggesting
(obviously in too many words :-)) that the reception of distant UHF TV
stations was probably not due to the aurora.

This is the last post!  I promise!

Jeff Ward, N4TRY
Florida State University
jeff@ray.met.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Andrew GIFs
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:25:13 GMT

In article <8SEP92.18184211@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>Does anybody have satellite GIFs of Andrew which they could make available
>to me?  I would want them from August 22 or so to August 29.  Our computers
>were turned off during the storm and for about a week afterwards for 
>protection.  If someone can tell me where I can get them, or ftp them to
>me I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.
>
>       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
>"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
>prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
>Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold

A resource I just started using that you might find to your liking also
is the CDMG (California Division Mines and Geology) BBS. Call it
at 916-327-1208 . I have their "allfiles" list here and it shows that
they have at least 13-14 GIFS on Hurricane Andrew . I'd *highly*
recommend them.

Don


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Newsgroups: sci.comp-aided,sci.electronics
From: harald@efasp1.tuwien.ac.at (Harald Stadlbauer)
Subject: RTA - realtime tools
Reply-To: harald@efasp1.tuwien.ac.at (Harald Stadlbauer)
Organization: Flexible Automation TU Wien
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:32:34 GMT


I am posting this for a friend, who has no net access till now, but will forward replies to him:


For all that have the need to bring Real-Time and relational DBs
together, there is some hope now.

RTA (Real Time Architecture) is a toolbox for implementing OS-independent,
distributed, Real-Time applications which require data to be stored and
maintained in relational DBs like ORACLE and DEC-Rdb.

RTA features

o  an OS-independent C interface library for system-calls
o  a common C subroutine library for Real-Time applications
o  a Real-Time object system for administration of shared memory
   data-objects
o  a procedural SQL interface for easy use of SQL in C programs
o  OS-independent  task management and supervision
o  OS-independent  intertask event handling
o  OS-independent  intertask queue communication
o  OS-independent  node (network nodes) handling and supervision
o  OS-independent  network-wide intertask event handling
o  OS-independent  network-wide intertask queue communication
o  a memory resident real time database (RtDb) with a hot link
   to a relational DB (SqlDb) with automatic RtDb to SqlDb
   table-synchronisation
o  network-wide RtDb to RtDb (internode) table-synchronisation
o  network-wide SqlDb to SqlDb (internode) table-synchronisation

Moreover it offers highly sophisticated features for easy
implementation of  MASTER-SLAVE and/or SERVER-CLIENT
configurations with HOT-LINKS to slaves and clients.


RTA, which is purely implemented in ANSI-C, is available as
a Run-Time license or as an unlimited source code license.

It currently supports the following OSs and DBs:

          OS          DBs
          -----------------------------
          VMS         DEC-Rdb, ORACLE
          ULTRIX      ORACLE
          ISC-UNIX    ORACLE
          OS/2        ORACLE



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                   Vienna, Gusshausstr. 27-29, A-1040 Vienna, AUSTRIA
                   e-mail: harald@efads1.tuwien.ac.at
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From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Outgrowing Libertarianism...
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:44:34 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Sep4.145111.3924@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	Sorry, I guess it was all that text about racist discrimination that
>Libertarians supposedly engage in which mislead me.
>:\                                

The text was quite clear. To restate.
         1. All economic programs are based on ethical/political assumptions
            and unverified economic "laws"
         2. Advocacy of a deeply political ideology on the basis of its
            "scientific" foundations is either disingenous or the result
             of mistaking one's unexamined assumptions (prejudices) for
             fact.
         3. An excellent example of (2) can be found in the "libertarian"
         belief that government intrusion in to markets to forbid "fraud"
         can be justified on purely economic grounds, while government
         intrusion into markets to forbid racial discrimination cannot.
         There is, of course, no scientific grounds to suppose that 
         selling colored water as apple juice is any more deserving
         of police action than is refusing service to Native Americans.
         Thus, to argue that racial prejudice in the context of economic
         activity is a private matter while lying about what one is selling
         is a public matter, is to reveal  a hidden assumption (a prejudice)
         which has no scientific basis.

-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu

Xref: sparky sci.econ:7375 talk.politics.misc:43860
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Success or greed? (was Re: Supply-side economics)
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:23:50 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Sep4.104728.3911@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	You fail to recognize that the 'top 20%' is not a monolithic entity. 
>By definition, they are the most successful.

	This group also includes the most greedy.

Trying to limit their success to
>some % of the bottom 20% will get you an economy that functions like the US
>educational system.

	Baloney.

	It would be better off to find ways of rewarding socially
valuable success while discouraging greed and attempts to succeed at
others' expense.
From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Free movement of labour/labor
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:57:31 GMT
Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

In article <15387@umd5.umd.edu>, mtitus@umsa.umd.edu (Marvin A. Titus) writes:
|> In article <183478@pyramid.pyramid.com>
pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes:
|> 
|> [deleted a bunch of stuff]
|> >.......  Exporting work is the same as exporting employment; It
|> >leaves local workers jobless.  
|> 
|> I am sure that he meant to say "exporting jobless people is the same as
|> exporting unemployment". This leaves the importing country with higher
|> unemployment.

I'm pretty sure that I meant what I stated, but let me go through it
more explicitly so you can decide if it makes sense.

If my local factory is doing work now, and I decide to do this work
instead, at a remote (foreign) location, then the worker doing the
local work is laid off and I hire a remote worker.  Larger, more
populous systems with more states are more complicated, but that's
the gist of it -- I've created employment elsewhere.  The terminology
"exporting work" and "exporting employment" may be misleading.

I might do this, to take advantage of foreign labor rates.  I'm suggesting
that the current state of economics in which work is allowed to "emigrate"
may eventually produce system states which are equivalent with allowing
labor to immigrate.  I'm suggesting that this be one market mechanism
by which labor rates are in fact subject to market forces.

I'm sure to be overdoing it, but the high employment of this economic
period may not all be  associated with the growth rate, but that
employers have figured it out, and are cutting a little deeper and then
hiring back (on contract, less 'senior' positions) etc.  The end result
is a system-wide reduction in per-job labor rates.

It may be equivalent to other micro systems which have experienced 
vacancy de-controls on certain market mechanisms.  Vacancy decontrols
don't ultimately prevent market forces, but they spread the dissipation to
"market prices"  out over time.  One example of a vacancy decontrol market
is the LA rental market.  During the real estate boom of the late '70s
and the '80s rent controls were put into effect.  These controls were 
good for as long as you had your apartment.  Upon one's vacating,
landlords were allowed to set the price at market.  Eventually, all
units get to market prices.

I'm suggesting that we might be experiencing a labor rate vacancy
decontrol going on right now.  Most employers don't give salary
reductions.  Therefore, as long as you "own" your job, labor rates
eventually increase.  Maybe not so any more.

Paul Collacchi
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Bush's Campaign Budget Cuts
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:54:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.124649.4353@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>
>Last night Bush proposed $132 Billion in unspecified
>budget cuts.  In the paper today it said that the 
>cuts would not include Social Security.  Bush has already
>said that he wants ~$270,000 Billion for Defense and
>I assume he will pay interest on the debt.

1) The $132 billion is a multi-year amount.
2) Defense spending is projected to decline in those years, to about 3%
of GNP.
3) Since there are projected increases from year-to-year, there may be
"cuts" that leave spending unchanged or increased.

>
>Doing the math...
>
>Based on FY 1992 budget outlay estimates:
>(from Congressional Quarterly Weekly Review, Feb 1)
>
>TOTAL SPENDING                         1,440,977
>
>Defense                      270,000
>Health and Human Servies,
>  Social Security            280,654
>Treasury (interest on debt)  290,613
>                             -------
>(sub total)                  841,267
>TOTAL REMAINING                          599,710

>Bush's proposed cuts                     132,000 (22%)
>
>
>Bush will have to cut a total of 22% of all remaining federal
>spending to reach his campaign promise.

Not true, for the reasons I stated above.

In fact, if Medicare spending was held to the rate of inflation,
say 3% per year, that would count as a "cut", since it is projected
to increase by more than that. the same holds for some other programs.

$132 billion in a few years is not too hard economically.
Politically? Well .... We could just
go back to what we spend in 1982, or 1988, and we'd save a bundle.

Pat
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: How Long it will Take to Pay back the D
From: tcombs@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Tim Combs)
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:51:59 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

Historically, if a government cannot pay back a debt they have two
options; 1. Defaulting on the debt and 2. Monetizing the debt.
Since 1 can be intolerable it would be the most likely phenomenon that
the government will monetize the debt.  Read the historical accounts 
of Germany in the 1920's and Argentina in the 1970's.  Faced with the
same options they monetized the debt.  The result was horrendous inflation
and political chaos.  Read "The Coming Economic Earthquake" by Larry
Burkette, he gives a historic and realistic view of what could happen
given the state of American politics.
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Mass Transit vs. Private Cars Re: Question about
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:20:03 GMT

In article <BuMsKz.14L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <183503@pyramid.pyramid.com> pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes:
@ In article <7995@public.BTR.COM>, timlee@public.btr.com writes:
@ |> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
@ |> |bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:

@ |> But isn't it also true that mass transit's main competitor, private
@ |> cars, is also heavily subsidized (roads, traffic cops, paramedics to
@ |> clean up after accidents, externalities like pollution)?  Fair
@ |> competition would require that the subsidies for both mass transit
@ |> and private cars be removed.

>The roads were needed before private cars, and would be needed if they
>were banned.

	What gives you _that_ paranoid idea?

I suspect that we would need well over half the paved streets
>and roads.

	I don't think that more than two lanes per direction would be
needed if the car population declined significantly. One would be for
slow vehicles, the other for fast ones. Thus, one _could_ reclaim some
of the roadways for other purposes.

Without private cars, we would need more delivery vehicles.

	How???

	In principle, one could just rent a car for the purpose if one
preferred not to own one (do you realize how _expensive_ it is?). And
rent a trailer for it for a really big delivery (how many people own
trailers?)

	Or one could take a cart aboard a bus or a train for the
purpose. The small fold-up kind is the kind I have in mind.

>And a major problem would arise; can we expect to have someone home all
>the time so that deliveries can be accepted?  With high unemployment, 
>and few working wives, this could be done in the 30s, but not now.

	Arrange to take a day off.

>There is a major externality not considered by the advocates of public
>transportation; waiting time, and slow travel time, to take into account
>stops for numerous travelers.

	This from someone who is happy to endure traffic lights, I
gather. One can't turn _every_ road into a freeway. Stops are the most
endurable for vehicles that accelerate and brake smoothly, and these
are likely to be rail vehicles. On BART, for example, if I am reading,
I hardly notice them.

	Slow travel time? I presume that you are assuming that you can
get to anywhere you want to by freeway, and that there are no traffic
jams anywhere on your route. And also assuming that you are able to
find parking.

	Some of the places I've spent a lot of time in, such as the
business districts of Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Berkeley, are
just not very good places to drive in, let alone to find parking space
in; it's nice to get there without driving.

Add this cost into the externalities, and
>it is likely to be the largest.  Rapid transit systems were not all that
>common, except in high density areas.  

	So?

	A lot of people _do_ live and work in relatively high-density
areas, so what do you have against them?