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From: niki@sol.acs.unt.edu (Belathur Prashanth)
Subject: PUBS ARE BANGALORE CULTURE TOO
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:44:02 GMT

nkramesh%harpo.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nanda Ramesh) writes:

>In article <kencham.721427552@centi>, kencham@centi.cs.umn.edu (Deepak) writes:
>|> In <9211101518.AA20874@mik.uky.edu> mhiri01@mik.uky.edu writes:
>|> 
>|> [ Tons of crap regarding pubs in Bangalore, expunged ]
>|> 
>|> What are these two blokes trying to tell us when they list the N pubs
>|> in Bangalore ? Its given B'lore a lot of popularity amongst the youth
>|> (unwanted) and is sure the screw up the general 'image' of B'lore.
>|> 
>|> So guys, go drown yourselves in beer etc., but don't drag B'lore along
>|> with you !


>3. The pubs tend to become center's for other harmful and
>   wasteful activities.

Well I certainly disagree to this point; in that you seem to be equating the
PUBS with the BARS which are usually assosiated with these activities.

Well as per my observations having visited lots of PUBS; most of the crowd
there are pretty decent (ya I do agree there are few rotten ones; but the
majority crowd are educated/decent etc..).

Well about experiences like being stopped by Cops etc etc; ya thats true the
incidents have been on the rise; but compare the drunken driving records from
neighbouring states/cities where BOOZE IS SOLD VERY SELECTIVELY then u will
understand that after all the 'MUSHROOMING' of PUBS have not made a very big
increase in Drunken driving incidents.

Well regarding your point # 2; What other activities do Bangalore Youths have
I mean what are the better things to do ?, There is a stage in one's life when
one has to experience (!!!) drinking [ its lot better than smoking !].

An interesting article in Deccan Herald about 1 1/2 years ago; where they did
an exhaustive statistical survey on the so called PUB CULTURE; the results were
stunning. Though there were lots of persons visiting pubs; there was no indication that due to increase in PUBS there were also a comparable increase in crime.
or other harmful activities. most of the crowd were college/proffessionals and
were educated to a high degree. 

So take it "COOL", The next time you goto Good Ole' Bangalore; head for the
nearest PUB and you will like it...!!!

Well THE PUB / PUB WORLD / OAKEN CASK / TAKE 5 all have seperate area reserved
for Ladies; and till now I have heard good comments about the way ladies are
treated in PUBS !..

Cheers !!!

NIKI 
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NIKI BELATHUR    --- UNOFFICIAL CHRONICLER of Bangalore PUB culture !
		 --- The ONE WHO STATED IT ALL ON ACK 

		e-mail: niki@cs.unt.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna)
Subject: Re : Bangalore - A nostalgic retrospective 
Keywords: karnataka cuisine, restaurants 
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:27:28 GMT

I am by no means a conossieur of karnataka or Bangalore "hotel" oota or cuisine. 
However my ranking of restaurants in Bangalore by individual items is as 
follows - 

       Sapna ( near Rex) - Tops for Rave idli.
       Janata ( 8th cross and Sampige, Malleswaram) - this is the best for 
                                                  vades.
       There is some new restaurant on Residency road - I have forgotten 
       the name ( what's happening to me !) - masala dosa. 
       Trupthi  - ( behind good ole UVCE on Nrupathunga road) - Puris. 

       MTR - good in everything ?

I am hoping to hear what others have to say. 

I would like to ask Satish Rao et al who posted about Uppinasaru etc to 
please post the recipes and directions ( whatever way they do it). 

Sanjay 

ps - Rahul, my dad tells me that the IISc canteen has apparently improved-
     I can't believe it !. I also heard that the UVCE canteen has improved
     This is too much !
From: shirish@CS.ColoState.EDU (seetharam shirish)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Re: PUBS IN BANGALORE
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:37:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University
Originator: shirish@CS.ColoState.EDU


In article <kencham.721427552@centi>, kencham@centi.cs.umn.edu (Deepak) writes:
|> In <9211101518.AA20874@mik.uky.edu> mhiri01@mik.uky.edu writes:
|> 
|> [ Tons of crap regarding pubs in Bangalore, expunged ]
|> So guys, go drown yourselves in beer etc., but don't drag B'lore along
|> with you !
|> 
|> >    YOU CAN'T TRUST A MAN WHO DOESN'T DRINK.
|> 
|> Take a suck !
|> 

	Apparently he prefers beer
|> \thee puck
|> --
|> (Etokesoh-Anammahcnek)-ian at heart.


	Shirish

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From: mhiri01@mik.uky.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: kannada bandhugale,
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:44:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

                            It's a good idea about discussion on PUBS in and
around B'lore.If anybody is not interesred in discussion,my advice for them is.
goto a PUB and relax.
  
bye,
MANJU
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: nkrishna@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (Naveen Krishna)
Subject: Re: Just looking
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:23:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Keywords: none

Hi! Naveen

	This is Naveen (Krishna). Happened to see your posting some time back
and thought I would reply. Long time since I have posted some thing.
Mathe en amma samachara. Henge ide kelasa. Illi bari chandagide. M.S. (Mech)
madtha idini. May ashtothgge mugus thini. Nantra untalla kelasa hudukuvudu.

Eee pathra talapidare thilsi.

Baruva.
From: mhiri01@mik.uky.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: NAMASKARA
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:58:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

                  Why don't we stop the discussion on hotels,bakeries,
CHURUMURI and PANEE PURI gaadies ,it is becoming sick.
  
bye,
manjunath H
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: spattabi@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Shivaram Pattabiraman)
Subject: Re: PUBS IN BANGALORE
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:32:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Summary: teetotellers 

           teetotellers like kencham can take a jump.whatever exciting that                is talked about bangalore is appreciated(i mean what we all most commonly used to do in our school and college days).whatever plaeses some may not be liked by some.just coooooooooooooollllllllllll!!!! thats it. looking forward for more such articles that reminds the goo old days is great. 
      
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: raja@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Malur Ra Rajashekhar)
Subject: Adiga Passes Away....
Followup-To: raja@cevax2.ce.jhu.edu
Summary: Gopalakrishna Adiga
Keywords: Adiga, Kannada
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:17:35 GMT

Just read in Balki's Deccan Herald clippings that Sri. Gopalakrishna Adiga
passed away.  A great blow to kannada poetry.

Malur R Rajashekhar
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: nkrishna@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (Naveen Krishna)
Subject: Re: Just looking
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:28:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Keywords: none

            just looking for some guys from Malnad College of Engg.

Also guys from Rishi Valley School (J KrishnaMurthy's)

Naveen
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: alt.lwaxana-troi.die.die.die,alt.startrek.creative,alt.vampyres,alt.wanted.mars.women,alt.zines,alt.ensign.wesley.die.die.die
Subject: MAGAZINE NEEDS WRITERS
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:30:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


CYBERSPACE VANGUARD, the electronic magazine of News and 
Views of the Science Fiction and Fantasy community, needs writers.  
We intend to  publish news, interviews, reviews, humor (especially 
humor!), comment,  fandom gossip, directories to TV, events, 
electronics services for fans, and maybe even a little fiction.  
Basically, if it's of interest to your average SF&F fan, we're 
interested in it, even if it's not strictly in the genre.

Early issues will feature interviews with J. Michael Staczynski, 
producer  and creator of BABYLON 5 (which will knock you sock 
off!) and Eric Radomski, producer of BATMAN: THE ANIMATED 
SERIES.  We are also waiting for confirmation on an
interview with Patrick Stewart.

Initially, CYBERSPACE VANGUARD will be distributed over the  
electronic services.  As such, I can offer my writers just two things:  
a hard copy (formatted with a desktop publisher and a little better 
looking than  the ASCII only version) for their portfolio, and, more 
importantly,  EXPOSURE.

However, as the magazine grows, we hope to turn it into a 
profitable  enterprise (or at least enough to pay for itself).  When 
that happens, our  WRITERS WILL BE PAID.

We especially need people who are familiar with the print media, 
but we  do need everuthing.  Regular columns are open to those 
who want them  and can prove themselves.  If you have an idea, I 
want to hear it!  Prior experience is nice, but in no way necessary.  
We will be judging each  peice soley on it's own merit.  Our readers 
don't know what you'be  previously done.

All submissions, ideas, and even general expressions of interest 
should be  sent to tlg4@cleveland.freenet.edu.  We will accept 
complete manuscripts, (especially for very short peices), but queries 
will get a faster response.

-- 
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                   It's not my fault, I had pneumonia.
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From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.theory,comp.society.futures
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:28:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.amateur-comp
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov9.143039.2729@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com> shanks@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Mark Shanks) writes:
]In article <BxD9xx.MF3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stuart Brown) writes:
]>OK, so now what does everyone do?  This has already been described
]>by others in this thread.  Lots of scientific research, and Art, lots
]>of human care (teaching, health care, etc.).  I feel that left free
]>from wants, a lot of people would choose to make a contribution to
]>society- and the net result would be technical progress at a faster 
]>rate than in our current fear driven capitalist system.  I'm sure that
]>there will be an ample supply of tecnophiles to keep the gears of the
]>automated industy oiled as long as some attractive compensations are
]>offered.
]
]Oh, brother. SURE there will be. Any technically competent people
]will more likely end up being the slaves to the "care-givers" and
]art-lovers just to keep the wheels from flying off your idyllic
]society, a la "The Marching Morons".

Nah, just build/hijack your own spacecraft and get away from it all. Since it
appears that most of the posters to this FAR future program seem to concentrate
on making a paradise on Earth, you might not be missed. 

At least *I* wouldn't stay on Earth if I had a choice.



-- 
Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us
#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Problem Corner - Need Help with Elm Problem
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:59:45 GMT
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


My mailbox at (not at this site) which uses elm -
would not let me have access to it.

when I typed mail I got a note that said

newmbox - length of mbox! = spool mailbox length!!
write to temp file failed exiting leaving mailbox intact

Why would this happen and what would I do about it?

-- 
Ronda Hauben                    email address:ae547@yfn.ysu.edu
Amateur Computerist Newsletter              or
P.O. Box 4344                   rhauben@heartland.bradley.edu
Dearborn, MI 48126
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stuart Brown)
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:54:48 GMT

>
>This is exactly what capitalism is--each individual is a trader in 
>society, and in order to get something, he must give something in 
>return ("do ut des"). Capitalism is less fear driven than reward 
>driven.
>
>What seems to be missing from these arguments is the fact that capitalism
>is the driving force for technological advancement, that the socialist
>countries are completely impoverished.
>
>What capitalism does is allow each individual, through a system of indirect
>exchange, to decide for himself what his needs and wants are. The discussion
>on this subject has been a classic example of socialistic thinking.
>"I (or "society") will decide what is best for everyone and insure that
>they receive what they 'need'." There is a new twist to it, and now 
>machines will do all the work for everyone. I think this is a bit Utopian.
>
>Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu)

Well I personally don't think that old Adam Smith's cold hand of Capitalism
works all that damn well.  If you look at the people living in the poor 
countries of this world, you will not find them to be lazy, but rather
receiving very little compensation for their work (I am an ex-Peace Corps
volunteer). 
	 Why is it that your average Joe im America makes $30-40K for
semi-skilled factory or office labor while the same work in Mozambique pays
only $5-10K?  The reason is that America is extensively socialized so that
Unions negotiate for wages, government taxes people and provides schooling
and roads and lots of other subsidies for business.  The final point here
is that America is a wealthy society and all of its citizens benefit- whether
they are crafty capitalists producing a better product on the world market
or just a burger flipper at MacD's.
	A lot of international development thinkers agree that Third World
people don't need shipments of food (excpt in cases of natural disaster-
which can strike Florida as well as Bangladesh) or visiting experts to
reoorganize their agricultural system, but simply more money.  Specifically,
they need something to sell to the rest of the world for enough money to
buy things that they need.  I think that the world economy would be much more
productive if wealth were spread around more- ie. being used to buy more 
toasters in Africa rather than being used to buy missiles in Nevada and empty
office buildings in Dallas.

	Cheers- Dr. Stu 
-- 
Stuart M. Brown                             If you can remain cool when all 
U. of Manitoba, Dept. Plant Science         Around you are in panic,
Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA
browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca            Then you surely misunderstand the situation
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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,sci.econ,alt.activism,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: UAW Welcomes Auto Factory of Despair - PRB #1001(Part 4 of 4)long
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:50:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


        So that's what the UAW is up to nowadays.  They're so scared
manufacturers will move plants elsewhere they can't stand up for their
workers.

        Let's see if anyone from the UAW replies.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,sci.econ,alt.activism,soc.culture.usa
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.theory,comp.society.futures
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:34:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.amateur-comp
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

It's sad to see that hardly anybody has mentioned expansion into the rest of
the solar system as a goal for the Future. Not very farseeing.



-- 
Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us
#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.theory,comp.society.futures
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
From: balesej@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Eric J Bales)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:58:11 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov9.143039.2729@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com> shanks@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Mark Shanks) writes:
>In article <BxD9xx.MF3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stuart Brown) writes:
>>OK, so now what does everyone do?  This has already been described
>>by others in this thread.  Lots of scientific research, and Art, lots
>>of human care (teaching, health care, etc.).  I feel that left free
>>from wants, a lot of people would choose to make a contribution to
>>society- and the net result would be technical progress at a faster 
>>rate than in our current fear driven capitalist system.  I'm sure that
>>there will be an ample supply of tecnophiles to keep the gears of the
>>automated industy oiled as long as some attractive compensations are
>>offered.
>
>Oh, brother. SURE there will be. Any technically competent people
>will more likely end up being the slaves to the "care-givers" and
>art-lovers just to keep the wheels from flying off your idyllic
>society, a la "The Marching Morons".

Or just the opposite will happen.  All the care-givers will become utterly
dependent on the small number of people with the technical competence to
fix major problems in the automated factories.

Either way is Very Bad.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,sci.econ,alt.activism,soc.culture.usa
From: mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:59:12 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, Math Department

In article <37539@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
>
>>: I think it is neccessary now to discuss programs for the FAR future, as
>>[...]
>
>High tech communism...just like China and the former Soviet Union.
>Great. Mass poverty for all.
>
>
>You are an utter fool. The public sector can only get what it has taken
>away from the private sector. This a sign of society in decline. The more
>public spending there is, the more it hurts production (the true cause
>of wealth), and the more impoverished everyone will consequently become.
>Rome fell because it became a huge welfare state. It won't work.
>
>[...]
>
>Like HELL we are socialized to believe too much government is a bad thing.
>Goddamn it, we have a HUGE GOVERNMENT. AND PEOPLE WANT IT THAT WAY.
>Politicians don't get elected without saying they will fucking save everyone
>from themselves or from the cruelties of life. (See Clinton--National Health
>Care). I can't believe anyone would believe this. The New Deal is glorified
>in public school. Capitalism is spat upon. I wonder if those who spit upon
>Capitalism spit upon all the nice luxuries it provides (lengthened life
>span, high standard of living, drastic reduction in poverty, etc.)
>
>Please go to Norway. We don't need people like you around to aid in the 
>downfall of the United States.
>
>
>My ultimate warning for Socialists and Welfare Statists:
>As you sow, so shall you reap.
>
>Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu

Sorry for continuing this thread in this newsgroup, but ...

1.  Rome fell because of the replacement of family farming 
    with large agribusiness, because of the devastating 
    plagues at the end of the 2nd century, and because of 
    the futility of trying to run an active superpower 
    concompassing the entire Mediterranean with insufficient 
    technology.  The "welfare state" problem was largely a 
    consequence of the agribusiness problem.

2.  The issue is not capitalism.  There is no way to avoid 
    the necessity for capital.  The issue is the somewhat 
    Brazilian brand of capitalism that many ideologues try 
    to foist on us despite the misery it causes.

-----Greg McColm
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.theory,comp.society.futures
From: shanks@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Mark Shanks)
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Organization: Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:30:39 GMT

In article <BxD9xx.MF3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> browns@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Stuart Brown) writes:
>OK, so now what does everyone do?  This has already been described
>by others in this thread.  Lots of scientific research, and Art, lots
>of human care (teaching, health care, etc.).  I feel that left free
>from wants, a lot of people would choose to make a contribution to
>society- and the net result would be technical progress at a faster 
>rate than in our current fear driven capitalist system.  I'm sure that
>there will be an ample supply of tecnophiles to keep the gears of the
>automated industy oiled as long as some attractive compensations are
>offered.

Oh, brother. SURE there will be. Any technically competent people
will more likely end up being the slaves to the "care-givers" and
art-lovers just to keep the wheels from flying off your idyllic
society, a la "The Marching Morons".

Mark Shanks
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From: lelam@gdfwc3 (Len E. Elam)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.theory,comp.society.futures
Subject: Re: FAR future programs
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:36:57 GMT
	<1992Nov9.143039.2729@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com>
	<BxGyCz.C1r@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division

I think alot of people would waste alot of time reading and writing
replies to USENET newgroups such as this.  ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
--
Who Am I?: Len E. Elam                   |"Smoke me a kipper, skipper, I'll be
Email:     gdfwc3!lelam@uunet.uu.net     | back for breakfast."
Disclamer: I speak only for myself.      |               Ace Rimmer, Red Dwarf
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