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From: mfh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (mitchell.hansinger)
Subject: What Dalek book should I read???  
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:34:22 GMT

I haven't read any novels about the Daleks, or about Dr. Who for that matter,
and would like to know which one is best.  I would like to learn about the
following things in the course of reading about the daleks :

1)  What was Davros' purpose in creating the daleks?  ie what did he want to
accomplish/hope to obtain?

2)  How did the schism between Davros and the daleks occur?

3)  What kind of creatures are the daleks?  What do they look like?  What do 
they eat? etc

4)  Why must the daleks remain inside their robot-like casings?  I know it has 
something to do with radiation but I want to read about it in a Dr. Who novel.


Any guidance about which book would answer my questions would be greatly 
appreciated. Please e-mail me direct with any info you can provide.

Thanks,

-Mitchel
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Tomb and Shada from FOX
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:20:13 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Aug23.041342.19505@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>,
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
>
>
>Haven't been checking up for a few weeks, but both
>Shas
>
>"Shada" and "Tomb of the Cybermen" have been solicited by FOX in
>the video store magazines for October I believe.
>
>Ryan Gavigan
>gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu


OCTOBER 9th, each video will sell for $19.95.  CBS will also release "THE
PERTWEE YEARS" and "CAVES OF ANDROZANI" on the same day.
From: scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: USA Network: SCI-FI Channel Preview
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:02:11 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems



  The announcers for the USA Network at the US OPEN are plugging the SCI-FI
Channel.  Thay mention in the spot that on Sept. 20th, USA will preview the new
channel.  

  So going by what they said in the promo, anyone who has USA Network will have
the regular Sunday schedule replaced by the SFC schedule.   No word on what
programs they will air.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Is one of the Doctors ill?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:42:11 GMT

Hellow,

If this is a double post, I apologize, I tried to post this question
yesterday, but I don't think it made it, I'll try again.

Sometime back it was posted on this group that one of the Doctors was
ill, or might be ill, I have awaited any further news, but haven't seen
anything, either in this group or on the television news, (yeah, like
they would cover such an event) If anyone has any info......

THANKS

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Katherine Schlinger
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:26:09 GMT

In article <HHcDqB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Some questions concerning K. Schleslinger.  She seems to look like someone who
>I met before by the name of Nancy Schlesinger.
>
>Differences:  Nancy has brown eyes, Katerine has blue.
>              Nancy has dark hair, Katherine has lightist hair.
>
>Does anyone have any bibliographic information on Katherine Schlesinger, who
>tends to show up on BBC shows as a Victorian character?
>
>A footnote: I also know of Joe Schlesinger, CBC newsman, a Czech Jew, and is
>            related to Nancy.
>
>Any connections ?
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.

In case anyone is wondering, Katherine/Katharine Schlesinger played
Gwendoline in "Ghost Light."

According to the last issue of DWM, the BBC made a mistake in the credits
for the first two episodes of the story and misspelled her name
as Katherine.  For episode three it was corrected to Katharine.
My synopses contain the mistake on the first two episodes, and the
correct spelling on the last one.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Talons of Wen Chiang [wanted]
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:46:06 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug27.003804.13470@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Grossman) writes:
>"I was attacked by this little man, and four other little men."
>       -- The Doctor
>
>I'm half-Chinese, and personally I was rolling with laughter all the way
>through Talons of Weng-Chiang.  Tom Baker's accent could use a little work,
>maybe possibly surgery.
>
>I wasn't offended, but I can see how people were with lines like the
>above in the production.
>
>Gary

Actually, I don't think I've ever seen or heard any real objections from
anyone of Chinese descent or anyone associated with the Chinese
community to this story, only TV stations afraid that such objections
might appear.

As far as I am concerned, (and I'm not Chinese by the way, just being
sympathetic here) not much of the script itself was offensive.
To me, the real offense in the story comes from casting a European actor
as Li H'Sen Chang.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Resistance Is Useless
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:21:55 GMT

In the part entitled "Effects (Special)" the first scene is of a small ship
landing. I don't know what story it is from. A friend thought it was The
Daleks' Masterplan #10. Anyone know?

On the topic of TDM #10, anyone have a copy? I've seen #5 and it's rather good
considering what little you know (I've read Part I of the novel as well).
That episode and The Krotons are the only things I don't have. Anyone willing
to copy them for me? Trading and haggling welcome via e-mail.

Tom

Tune in next week to see the Doctor as the Pied-Piper of Telos in "The Tune of
the Cybermen"!

P.S. Remember, September is ignore-Dave's-dumb-idea-posts month. When Dave
posts one of his brilliant ideas, restrain yourself from following up and
send me e-mail instead. The person with the most mails to me wins a prize.
Be forewarned, I am likely to win myself! Save your replies so he can be
bombed (or nuked, using his terminology) on October 1.

All this in jest of course, but it would be nice to ignore Dave for about a
month. "We've secretly replaced Dave with Folger's Crystals, let's watch what
happens..."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Dr.Who returns to KTPS28
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:36:07 GMT

In article <23770001@hplsla.hp.com> jayw@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Wardle)  
writes:
> I don't understand how "Resistance" is 30 minutes Saturday, and 1 hour
> on Sunday, or how "Tom Baker" is 2:30 on Saturday, and 4:00 on Sunday.
> Perhaps *lots* of pledge breaks? I don't know.
> The weekly newspaper listing shows the same times for the Saturday  
shows.

the addition of pledge breaks makes programms have odd lengths. the  
scedule listing rounds off the times.
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From: a905576@tiuk.ti.com (David Pardoe          (0013 spif))
Subject: Re: Revolution in t'UK?
Reply-To: a905576@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:46:44 GMT

In article 67292@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:
>THEN I open the Grauniad, to find that Steve Bell & If... is still 
>missing.  Is he dead, on ANOTHER holiday, working for the Sun or
>taking a sabatical a la  G. Trudeau??   Please advise soonest.

He's just taking another one of his holidays. There are still the occasional editorial
cartoons by him on the Comment and Analysis page. Still, I found David Shenton's
"The Bitch is Back" (tea with an Alien) better than some of Bell's recent stuff.

Only 4 days until Trudeau is back.

David
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From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: NEED VIDEOS OF THE FIRST
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

-> I hope this is the place to do this and the correct News Group. I
-> have ALL of the episodes from the third Doctor (Pertwee) to the
-> present Doctor (McCoy). I need the episodes from the first TWO
-> doctors. I am willing to trade these videos (VHS) with anyone out
-> there who will trade episodes of the first two (Hartnell and
-> Troughton).
->
-> Please send E-Mail to Bill at WSJOHN@BB1T.Monsanto.com
->
-> P.S. Here in St. Louis, they showed the "Tomb of the Cybermen"
-> Troughton episode that was recently found in Singapore.
-> Good Episode...
This request may be in vain, as Iain Robert Asplin most surely will tell
everyone NOT to answer this request, in case you are an agent of the BBC
or something like that.
    - Doug
From: lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New(?) Rumours
Date: 27 Aug 1992 00:03:33 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kitty.ksu.ksu.edu


In article <15146@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>B: Did you ever hear about her proposed changes when she first floated a bid
>to produce Who?  She expressed her extreme discontent with the direction it
>had taken under Andrew Cartmel and wanted to get away from the dark,
>manipulative Doctor of recent years.  A production philosophy which would
>not allow for "Remembrance of the Daleks" or "Curse of Fenric" would be a
>step backward, IMHO.

As long as she wouldn't disregard or even alter the continuity (what little
existed) completely.  Also, too much of a gap between the "end" of McCoy and the
debut of the new Doctor would be a bad thing...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An idea for the return of our favouring show
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:59:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <7eg9PB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Eli and John.  I do understand your point of views.  I will also add to my
>idea,  a maximum of 6 parts as usual.

Oh, so that's what we were arguing about?

>Furthur, The show was not suuposed to last this long, however, now that it has
>got international recognisition and stature,  it should have a fair return.

How about a fair CHANCE at a return?  The same chance any other show gets?
One full season with an option on more?  To mis-quote Genesis of the Daleks
(and cross-pollinate with the Dalek thread), "Our show will survive if it
deserves to survive."
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Talons of Wen Chiang [wanted]
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:44:21 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) WRITES...

> There is one edit in that tape
> inherited from the British version, a cut which had to be made in the
> martial arts fight scene in Part One in order to get the tape normal
> PG certification in Britain.  The ratings board had threatened to rate 
> "Talons" 13, which isn't like a PG-13 in the US, in that anyone under
> 13 is actually barred from seeing the thing, rather than just strongly
> cautioned (at least that's how I've heard it).

    There is no "13" cert in Britain, you are probably thinking of the
"12" certificate - no one under the age of 12 allowed to view ("Batman"
was a "12" in the cinema!!). Also, as I remember, Batman was the first
film ever to get a "12" in Britain, as the certificate is relatively
new. This would mean that the UK video release of Weng Chiang predates
the "12" certificate. This means it would go to the next certificate up
- a "15" - which means no one under 15 may view, no matter what!! For a
Doctor Who!!!!!???   Now maybe you can see why the BBC made the cut so readily.

Summary of Film/Video Certificates in UK:

U - Universal, suitable for all (e.g. Peter Pan was one)
PG - Parental Guidance; anyone can get in, unaccompanyied or otherwise,
but some scenes may
be too strong for young children (e.g. Short Circuit)
12 - no one under 12 under any circumstances (e.g Batman, The Abyss)
15 - no one under 15 under any circumstances (e.g. Darkman)
18 - no one under 18 under any circumstances (e.g. Aliens, Cape fear)

Hence, did you know that anyone under 18 in the UK who has seen Aliens
has broken the law!!

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From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:32:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


HELP!  I've fallen and I can't.... (Sorry wrong quote).
The system I use seemes to have crapped out from about 4 PM (EST) on 
Sept 1 through about 8 PM (EST) on Sept. 2 (1 AM (GMT) Sept 3?). 
About 50 messages were lost.  Does anyone know of a way to recover 
them?  Dare I ask anyone to download them to a file and e-mail them to 
me?  (Please send a note first so I am not deluged - I'll be gone 
until next Tuesday, - Monday is Labor Day here in the States, although 
we should probably call it No-Labor Day.)
 

This is the header of the last readable msg on Sept 1:


Article 21832 of rec.arts.drwho:
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Production company chosen?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:42:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


This is a sample of the missing messages:


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Article 21882 of rec.arts.drwho:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
From: danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:42:04 GMT


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From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Greatest Show in the Galaxy allegories
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:22:04 GMT



I recently saw someone asking about the allegories in "Greatest Show
in the Galaxy."  Here are all the ones I have either noticed myself
or that I've heard other people notice.

"Doctor Who - the Greatest Show in the Galaxy"
Put an "is" in place of the dash and you get the gist of the whole show.

The Psychic Circus is a symbol for Doctor Who itself.
For instance, we have Captain Cook the great intergalactic explorer,
who gasses on and on about places he's been to.  This is the Doctor,
and perhaps more specifically, the Sixth Doctor.

The entire plotline is built to resemble the turmoils the series had
been going through in recent years.  A once-great show now stuck in one
place, with all the talented people running away, the producers trying
in vain to keep the show going somehow, etc.

The true villains of the piece are the viewing audience, the 20th century
family who demand more and more acts, and everything depends on the
ratings, you see (remember the family holding up the numbers for each act?).

The most obvious character is the Whizz Kid, who is the archetypal fan
of the show who collects all the memorabilia and even one of Captain
Cook's old socks.  He is also made to resemble the more cynical fans
with his line, "I know it's not as good as it used to be, but I'm still
terribly interested!"  And in the end, he is put in the ring and asked
if he can do better, and of course he fails miserably as most fans would.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New(?) Rumours
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:42:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <J7LFqB1w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>doctor@infopls.chi.il.us (david lucas) writes:
>>  IF you say it isn't  connectted with the past 26 years would The Doctor 
>> be the same timelord, or would he just be another timelord called the 
>> doctor. It is my belief, that he would have to be the same timelord or 
>> the fans(like me) would not except it.

>I would say it has to be the same timelord and definatly connected to the past
>26 years.  I would NOT want a Doctor Who:The Next Generation.  There is
>no need.  If it is a new Doctor....so be it, we've been through new Doctor's
>before...7 times, I believe.

I don't think that I meant it would be a new character... just that the
show would probably not emphasize the Doctor's past in the way the series
has done up to now.  They might even "forget" that parts of it exist... like
the hints dropped in the McCoy years.

Before people think of this as a "Doctor Who: The Next (Re)Generation",
just remember -- that kind of retconning goes on all the time.  Remember
when Timelords "lived forever, barring accidents"?
From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Is one of the Doctors ILL?????
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:39:29 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <flar.714953027@vincent1.iastate.edu>, flar@iastate.edu
(Bradley M Armitage) writes:
|>Hellow, 
|>
|>I was reading this group several weeks ago and a thread had started that
|>oneof the Doctors was ill, I don't recall which one, But I was wondering
|>what happened, I haven't seen a post since, and I read this group
|>regularly, like several times a day :)
|>
|>If anyone has any inf, please forward it!!!
|>
|>*****************************************************************************
|>*       Spiritus Sanctus Anno Mundi:  Can you see me, are you near me?      *
|>* Can you hear me crying out for life?  Can you tell me, where's the glory? *
|>*     BLACK         **********************************      SABBATH         *
|>*******************  flar@iastate.edu (Brad Armitage)  **********************
         
   Yes. Jon Pertwee collapsed from pneumonia (I think) about 4 weeks
ago. I have no idea how he is doing as it I do not read newspapers and
it was just a fluke that I actually saw this story. I assume he is not
dead as this would have made the national news. Sorry I can't tell you
any more.
     
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The D.W.F.C. of A. & Friends of Dr. Who
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:51:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

For a national fan club, The Friends of Doctor Who have been consistent
with getting out their newsletter pretty much four times a year.  
Some of the news may be old if you keep up with this newsgroup.  Cost is
$7.50 per year.  Send it to Friends of Doctor Who, P.O. Box 14111,
Reading, PA  19612-4111.  They also have what is now a fairly accurate 
list of local clubs in their newsletter each time.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: Boyd <BOYD@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Writing for DR. WHO (was Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy)
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:58:45 GMT

In article <15188@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@macbeth.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>    [authors' names deleted]
>I agree with all of these, but the list does seem a little bit McCoy-heavy.
>How about looking for more old writers, or people who have never written
>for Who before?

   Chris Lucarotti assures me that his dad (John, author of <The Aztecs>
and other historically based stories) is still writing.  Just thought
I'd do a little name-dropping.  =-o  (Chris plays a good guitar....)

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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An idea for the return of our favouring show
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:17:56 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

-                                          To mis-quote Genesis of the Daleks
- (and cross-pollinate with the Dalek thread), "Our show will survive if it
- deserves to survive."
  This sounds correct under Thatcherite ideology.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
From: otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Tomb of the Cybermen
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:42:51 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <HBHBqB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>My comments on Tomb as I beleive most of us has seen it, however
^L
>
>Confusing Conclusion :  The control panels, the hatch and the doors were
>                        ALL supposed to be electrified, so how can a dmaaged
>                        controller, or anuybody, suppose to have gotten to the
>                        TOmbs without risking death?
>
At the beginning only the doors were electrified.  Who is supposed to
get to the Tombs after the Doctor electrifies the other things at the
end?  

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu

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