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From: an3937@anon.penet.fi
Subject: A Poem
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:38:52 GMT





		I am standing at deaths doorway
		knuckles raised, poised, ready to knock
		And ask for entrance to that darkness
		where this agony called life will end 
		No longer can I see life all behind me
		Like a road travelled once and not again
		I feel you there, but I will not look back 
		and see you in my every shadow.
		Wife, I loved you, but never myself
		And then I couldn't tell us apart
		But you could.
		Please kiss my children
		and tell them I loved them
		and hug them for me
		and hug them for me
		and hug them for me.

	






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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:37:09 GMT

satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Meyer) writes:

>And, not to mention, i was referred to as 'matt', rather than 'satan.'
  Well, MegaZone has referred to you thus, and he's in a better postion to
  know how you preferred to be addressed than i.  If you prefer i use something
  else, let me know and i'll use it.

>People are political animals - that means people need people to survive.
>Yet, in general we treat eachother like shit 
    "like shit" means to me to be treated shabbily deliberately. As you point
  out, being mistreated needn't be due to a deliberate cause.  My guess as to
 why the latter occurs is due to lack of consideration...not so hard to fathom.

>euclid describes it as malice or gratuitious nastiness - that's part of
>it, but it doesn't have to be gratuitous and sometimes i think it
>doesn't even have to be *intentionally* malicious...
  Some of it is, and i find malice harder to explain than indifference.  Malice
  as poorly channeled frustration? Perhaps...

 'Course, terms like good and bad are relative, and what's considered good
behaviour in one culture ain't necessarily good in another.  To treat
someone 'like shit' is do act outside of the subgroup of behaviour we consider
appropriate/desirable.  There is a tale of a Russian woman (Czarist Russia)
who complained to her Western European husband that he must not really care
about her...he never beat her!  So he obliged, and did such a thorough job of
it she died.
  Now, should a person conform to the behavioral norms of whatever culture
  he/she's in?  Depends on what such a person values....and if that person
  does not conform, and the culture finds it intolerable, then steps are
  taken to either force that person into line or to eliminate him.

euclid
--
Euclid K.  standard disclaimers apply
YOUR WILL IS AS FREE AS YOUR SOUL.  Question is, do you have a soul???
"It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples"
                                     ----Charles Dickens
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: In the beginning...
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:54:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>name at the bottom).  I think something is needed for general background
>questions.
>
The most useful thing would be a list of addresses where one can buy a sense
of humour, whether it is available in the States, and whether they take credit.
Maybe an extension on the extra difficulties of buying one posthumously?

Or would that just kill the group stone dead?
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Cool Book!
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:10:41 GMT

In article <C1869x.4FL@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>Unpleasant Ways to Die, by Elan Fleisher
>St.Martin's Press, c1989
>
>---
>Richard Stueven		Der Herr Buergermeister gibt bekannt, dass ab
>gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
>attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch nicht mehr in den Bach geschissen
>107/H/3&4		werden darf.
>

	It is most definately a cool book.  It has some great "Death
by Misadventure" types of cartoons. (Yes, it is a coll. of cartoons of
different unpleasant ways to die).  It includes some of my faves (hangliding
into a volcano, ... but I don't want to ruin the book).  Hmmm...now
when can I get a reservation on the scanner???  

	Echo W. Who
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu / 'finger' both accounts for 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    / more information...
Black Banshee  / an6561@anon.penet.fi       / So fah tah litha mak un so fah.
From: megazone@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:52:51 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoyodyne.wpi.edu

Steve, notice the attributation marks.... I admit it can get confusing, and I
think that's what happened her. A misunderstanding...

In article <szikopou.727591440@cunews> szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:
>In <1jkogdINNn95@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@realsoon.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.141333.29121@fuug.fi> an1252@anon.penet.fi (Gabriel Stevens) writes:
>>>>From: szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
>>Excuse me I did not write the following line! (SZ)
>>>LISTEN YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!!

No, you didn't Gabriel did... I think you miscounted marks, or missed the 
nested attributions. You made the comments I had originally included above
Gabriel's comments... like

Gabriel
>Steve
>steves stuff
gabriel's stuff

See how that works? It's like nesting parrens 
(gabriel(steve-steve's stuff) gabriel's stuff)

>I wasn't ranting..was that ranting? (SZ)

No, she was.

>>>intelligence to think of.  Unlike pretensious bastards who jump at the 
>>>chance to put someone down.  Flame away, I rather enjoy it.
>>>Sometimes I envy *ANYONE'S* ability to put up with you!
>Not sure if you're refering to me or Angela (SZ)
>The intent was not to flame.  I apologize if it was perceived  so. (SZ)

You just quoted Gabriel's stuff... And she was refering to you.
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:26:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Re: How Long???
	 Re:  I misspelled a word

In article <1k0vovINN2g6@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.142706@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>, coultasp@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Coultas) writes:
> > I wonder if anybody has been keep track of how long people have been mailing to 
> > alt.suicide.holiday? Do people suddenly stop mailing, if so, what happens to them....
> > 
> > Pete.
> > (no intension of stopping).
> 
> Pete,   
> 
> Gee, if they are serios.... whaddya think?
   
Great spelling..... Yeah I screwed up!  guess I'll kill myself!

> 
> Truth is they probably.....
> 
> A. Sucessfully blew their useless brains out.
> 
> B. Ran out of money to log on.
> 
> C. Are in a mental hospital
> 
> D. Got over it.
> 
> E. All of the above?
> 
> Coz.
> 
> 	"Put out the light...."
> 		Teddy Roosevelt's last words
> 





















> 


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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:49:11 GMT

    *evil*laughter*

    Only a half an hour ago I was ready to Post a final scream and then
give up on life (no, not kill myself but disappear from the face of the
earth for good)... 

    But now, now there is something much better....

    *evil*laughter*

    Time to live death to the fullest. [TM]

    
    I could use a little help on this one (though I can get by on my
own).  There is a _very_ strong possiblity that I will be visiting
Marietta, Ohio this weekend or next (more likely next).  I beleive
it will be Marietta anyway (I'm positive I'm going to somewhere in 
Ohio though).  Since I need a little justification for the haul (esp.
if this other plan goes sour), would anyone out around Marietta (or 
the eastern Ohio area in general) like to have lunch with me soon???

    Since I may be out there, I might as well find someone else to visit.
And since nothing is ever definate in my life, I don't want to specifically
come out to visit any one person [except for the young gent living in
Marietta].  I'm not looking for a place to crash or anything (I may just
get that if I'm pretty enough ;> )... just might as well mingle if I'm
out there.

    If anyone is in the general area of Marietta _PLEASE_ email me (if
only to let me ask about landmarks).  

    If not, then I'll just have to see how good a flirt I am when I'm 
lying through my teeth...

    *evil*laughter*

    Psycho Kitten


-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu / 'finger' both accounts for 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    / more information...
Black Banshee  / an6561@anon.penet.fi       / So fah tah litha mak un so fah.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dfederma@scott.skidmore.edu (daniel federman)
Subject: Carbon Monoxide
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:31:47 GMT

I have a question about carbon monoxide: I noticed the gas at the
local minimart is now oxidized, thus reducicing carbon monoxide
emissions.  Does that mean that the old "tail pipe method,"
supposedly such a peaceful way to go (and you die looking so damn
healthy, I've heard!) is no longer a reliable option?  

						Just Wondering.
From: wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: In the beginning...
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:33:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:

>The most useful thing would be a list of addresses where one can buy a sense
>of humour, whether it is available in the States, and whether they take credit.
>Maybe an extension on the extra difficulties of buying one posthumously?

>Or would that just kill the group stone dead?

*grin*  That reminds me of a course description I once saw for UMUC; it
was about all the different methods and media used for displaying humor in the
entertainment industry.  A portion of the description read: "[different
aspects of]... humor, and how to recognize it."  I guess people failed
if they couldn't recognize which questions on the final exam were actually
jokes... ;)

--------
Kathleen                                          Wolffriend@Kavishar.umd.edu
"[For Sale:] Lancia '81 Zagato.  Hate to part but power windows never worked
and air almost gone. $6,000, or first offer." 
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From: moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch)
Subject: Re: failure
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:53:45 GMT

S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>      One more thing I have to say:
>I don't care what anyone says, I don't care who disagrees with me, I d'ont
>care what they think of it, there is one thing I cannot emphasize enought:
>IT IS OK TO FAIL!

...you mean, botch a suicide attempt, right?

>Try it as often as you like.  We are only human, and we LEARN from our mistakes

well, true.  People would probably have greater conviction the second time
around... practice makes perfect, but then again, Christmas and New Years
only come once a year.  and this is a.s.holiday, no?

...proving that one need not be suicidal to enjoy a.s.h.,
--
-ivan	(I must admit that, yes, I believe the original intent of the author
	 was optimism, and that I re-interpreted this post to fit my needs.)

		Standard Disclaimers, Temperature and Pressure...
From: tjones@orville.psu.edu (Thomas Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: In the beginning...
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:33:38 GMT
Organization: The Leaking Spinal Fluid Co.

In article <1993Jan25.155437.26846@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>>name at the bottom).  I think something is needed for general background
>>questions.
>>
>The most useful thing would be a list of addresses where one can buy a sense
>of humour, whether it is available in the States, and whether they take credit.
>Maybe an extension on the extra difficulties of buying one posthumously?
>
	there used to be a time when people did post semi-humorous posts.  the
	response to much of them was to take the nonsense elsewhere.  and,
	to some degree, what passes for humor here is merely considered sick
	elsewhere.

>Or would that just kill the group stone dead?

	its the dark type of sense of humor that a lot of the people here have
	that keeps them from going completely over the edge...


-- 
Thomas H Jones II                             "Hmm... that wasn't at all what I
      aka.	                                            expected." --me
	thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: where's Kali?
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:17:42 GMT

In article <1jllo7INNa11@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Kuszewski) writes:
>I haven't been lurking for the last few months because I've been too happy.
>Now that I'm lurking again, where's Kali?  It's so strange to read ash without
>seeing her posts.  I hope she's okay.
>
>
>-- 
>John Kuszewski
>johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
>I'm not an idiot, but I play one on USENET



Evil evil grin..ha..if only you knew *who* alerted me to my "calling"?
Life is so very complicated and when you live in my twisted brainey..
very very funny..in a sick way;->

Sorry..I've been lost in a dream since Venice..but I love all ASH
babies...I'm a bit tipsy tonight..just having finished an excellent
dinner with some very good champagne.  No celebration..doesn't everyone
drink champagne with their meals? (grin)

I really must "catch up"..actually I'm getting ready to enter a 
"juried" exhibition here and I've been rather preoccupied.

But..flexing claws..I have neglected my darker side..my claws are
absolutely pale in the new moon over Diamond Head.

Anyone volunteering for a bit of exquisite torture..I promise to
kiss and make it alllll better...(grin)  later that is.


-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker quote
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:48:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1jthtkINN5hk@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes:
>This was on alt.quotations - thought it might amuse you guys:
>
>st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>>"Razors pain you;
>> Rivers are damp;
>> Acids stain you;
>> And drugs cause cramp;
>> Guns aren't lawful;
>> Nooses give;
>> Gas smells awful;
>> You might as well live."


and hollow tips are messy, but if you put the barrel in your mouth
and pull the trigger it's fool proof

besides, when someone looks at what you've left behind for them to 
clean up, it'll look like spin art

-- 
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* satan@wpi *Preacher or poet who was it wrote Give any one species too much 
*           *rope And they'll fuck it up.    - Roger Waters   
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From: mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (Michael Rogers)
Subject: Re: Throat singers from Tuva
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:19:15 GMT

For those close enough to be interested, there is a
concert at Amherst College this Friday, Jan. 29:
Throat Singers of Tuva, Buckley Recital Hall, 8pm.
Free.

(This is a trio from Tuva.)
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Re: Throat singers from Tuva
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:28:44 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

From a a similar part of the world: does anyone know where you can get
recordings of the Central Asian singer Samko (?) Namchilak?  I've heard
her on Radio 3's "Mixing It" programme a few times.  She has evolved a
genre of her own that mixes traditional techniques with ideas from jazz
and the Western avant-garde: if you can imagine a collaboration between
the Gyuto Monks, Diamanda Galas and Jan Garbarek you'd be getting near it.

-- 
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From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Subject: Re: Interested in Rhythm and Percussion...
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:58:21 GMT

Noah Spurrier (noah@ucscb.UCSC.EDU) wrote:
> 
> 
> I am interested in heavy Rhythmic and Percussion music. I have heard some
> of Mickey Hart's stuff, but I didn't like it too much. I found it to be
> a bit slow and lacking energy. I know that I like some African percussion,
> but I am not familar with names or styles of music. I remember that what I
> heard sounded like a pulsing cacophany of drums and steel. There might
> be some Vietnamese or Balanese music like this as well. I really can't
> remember.  The African music reminded me a bit of American House music,
> but it was more complex and intricate, yet still had a quick and heavy beat.
> I wish I could find this music again.


	One group that comes to mind is called Farafina, from Burkina Faso.
	Only album of theirs I'm aware of is called "Bolomakote" and
	published by Verabra records (Cologne, Germany); I've seen the
	group live and they are really worth checking out: energy,
	sensuality, power, humour, all.

	I don't know who sells this record in U.S.


> 
> Thanks if you can help,
> 
> noah@ucscb.ucsc.edu
-- 
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From: QWFK@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (QWFK000)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Interesting Percussion
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:02:27 GMT
Organization: McGill University

You might want to check out the Diga Rhythm Band, a Balinese-style
marimba ensemble.  Check Rykodisc CD 10101, which I believe is
their only album.  I'm afraid Mickey Hart is in it, but it's still
pretty amazing.


Daniel Engelberg
5531 Rosedale
Cote St. Luc, Quebec
Canada  H4V 2J2
(514) 486-3490
From: mpound@astro.umd.edu (Marc Pound)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Re: Throat singers from Tuva
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:26:51 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy


Believe it or not, there is a newsgroup for Tuvan enthusiasts,
alt.culture.tuva.  Everything you've ever wanted to know
about Tuva, Tuvans, throat-singing, etc. A few posters have
even visited the country, more have met Tuvans in this country.

There is also a newsletter put out by Ralph Leighton
called Friends of Tuva:

Send a self-addressed stamped envelope to
Friends of Tuva
Box 70021
Pasadena, CA, USA
91117
FAX (213) 221-TUVA


Marc Pound
astronomy, U.Md.
mpound@astro.umd.edu

Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: Re: Interesting Percussion
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:29:16 GMT

In article <1jqi11INNdfq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, noah@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Noah Spurrier) writes:
>
>In article <22JAN93.23804376.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> QWFK@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (QWFK000) writes:
>>You might want to check out the Diga Rhythm Band, a Balinese-style
>>marimba ensemble.  Check Rykodisc CD 10101, which I believe is
>>their only album.  I'm afraid Mickey Hart is in it, but it's still
>>pretty amazing.
>>
>>
>>Daniel Engelberg
>>5531 Rosedale
>I have nothing against Mickey Hart! I have two of his CD's, but his type of
>percussion was not the type that I was in the mood for. I love "Pig's In
>Space" from his new album (I forget the name just now...)
>
>The girl next door just loaned me a terrific CD! It's called "Mustt Mustt"
>by "Nusrat Fateh ali Kahn" on the Real World record label. The music is
>Sufi chanting with a faster than traditional beat. I wouldn't call it
>pumped, but it is more lively than what might go through your mind when
>you think of Sufi Chanting. Traditional Sufi chanting is pretty nice just
>the way it is, but this CD makes a nice synthesis.
>
>- Noah
>
>>Cote St. Luc, Quebec
>>Canada  H4V 2J2
>>(514) 486-3490
>
>


Well, generally, I would call N.F.A Khan's music pumped!  Mustt Mustt is by
far the most laid back recording he's made.  The attempt to Westernize the
music on this recording is interesting and mostly successful, in my view,
but you really should hear the trad stuff.  The recordings Khan has made
for the Womad label are paricularly fine.

michael mcdonald
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:57:07 -0500 
From: "Mary A. Mark" <mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Throat singers from Tuva

Excerpts from netnews.alt.exotic-music: 20-Jan-93 Re: Throat singers
from Tuva by Andreas Meyer@cbnews.cb. 
> Along the same lines, for Christmas I received an interesting CD of the 
> Gyuto Monks Tantric Choir. It's a Windham Hill recording, produced
> by Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart. (Oddly, there's a short note on
> the outside that says something like "This is prayer, not a performance".
> Perhaps they think New Age types buying this CD would be disappointed. :-)

Well, actually, it's a statement of intent on behalf of the monks themselves.
I've been to one of their concerts, and the same statement was made there,
but got a bit of elaboration.  They don't "perform" in the sense that 
other musicians do: ie. they aren't up there making those sounds so that you
can hear them.  Rather, they happen to be doing something (praying
through sound)
that they do regularly, and you just happen to have been allowed to sit
there and
watch them go about their usual business.  

Which is pretty impressive to see & hear.  Wonderful drums.  Wonderful voices.

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