From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: To agha Javad , Last Part ( was: Re: To Agha Javad , PART II )
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:56:04 GMT


In article: <1992Nov20.003246.20101@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com
(Agha Javad) writes:

>In article <BxzJx6.5Kt@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad >Ebrahimi) writes:

      [ Almost the whole article deleted ]

   After a few long articles, this is my impression that this discussion
   can not be conclusive, because the trend of repeating allegations, without
   showing a small piece of evidence, is still as powerful as before the
   begining of this discussion. Therefore I won't continue this series of
   articles. To make clear what made me decide so, I'll show a few allegations,
   from the last article by Agha Javad at the end of this article. Some of
   these allegations, surprisingly enough, are standard fabrications of MKO
   and some other are so novel that even MKO has not come up with them, or
   at least I have not heard them from MKO propagandists on s.c.i or anywhere
   else.

   But before closing the article, I'd like to remind two important points, both
   to Agha Javad and to the netters. During all discussions about the situation
   of Iranian army after Islamic revolution, the executions of generals,
   the arrested or fired officers, neither me nor Agha Javad talked about
   the plan for coupe in Nojhe ( Hamedan) airbase, in late 1979, which was
   the source of many mistrusts toward the army, by people and IRI, and the
   consequent arrests. I wonder how Agha Javad didn't consider this important
   factor in his analysis about the army, and especially about the pilots and
   officers of airforce who were arrested or procecuted. We also didn't talk
   about the greate dependence of army on foreigner specialists and to the
   Generals, the expulsion of whom from the army naturaly caused big
   weaknesses in the army, and therefore necessitating the establishment of
   other defence forces to protect the revolution and the whole country. And 
   since I'm sure Agha Javad won't object to the expulsion of tens of
   thousands of military or nonmilitary specialsits, the majority of which
   were Americans and wouldn't work for the good of Iran after revolution,
   I won't elaborate on this issue.


>Thank you for your discussion, I hope you have learned as much from me
>as I have from you.  It was quite a time for all of us.

   Thank you. I certainly have.


>Agha Javad

Mohammad

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   And here's some examples from Agha Javad's last article:


>                            This brings up the question, why did Banisadr
>escape?  Why couldn't he stay?  Because you and I both know that he would
>be executed, and he couldn't even defend himself.  He said he is willing
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to surrender himself if they televise his trial, but the regime refused. I
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>am not supporting him, I am just pointing out the way the regime deals with
>opposition.


>I thought Chamran was allies was with BaniSadr, and he was mysteriously killed
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>right after Banisadr was overthorwn.  I thought that was too much of a 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>coincidence.




>It was the IRI which isolated Iran and caused an embargo against Iran,


>Nor can you convince the families of those young men and women who were
>executed and raped in Evin prison and were billed for the bullets.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>lots of color pictures of gov't officials at cheap prices,that this
>war was worth it, and it was right to send your kids to liberate
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Ghods and Karbala while we were buying weapons from Israel.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
>                                                             Not to mention
>those whose houses were bulldozed right after a bombing raid while they were
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>still under the rubble, just so the regime could make it look like everything
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
was normal.  

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