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From: Sue D. Nimh
Subject: Re: Ancient Forest, SALMON ALERT
Organization: Snakers Unlimited
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.021530.3349@synapse.bms.com> venard@bms.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.183152.1835@ico.isc.com>, carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes) writes:
>>	teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>>>
>>>...Japan can easily crown itself
>>>the "emperor of exploiters." The same drive that motivates them to
>... stuff deleted ...
>>
>>What, no smiley face?  I think you'd better don your best flameproof
>>protection, for these sweeping racist generalities are not going to
>>set well with Internet folks.
>
>I'm an Internet folk, not a racist, and I have no problem with the
>observation in question. Ever notice when there is a stranding of
>whales or dolphin on a U.S. coast, people come out to help the poor
>cetaceans as much as they can? Well, elsewhere, in say, certain Pacific
>island nations to the east of us ...
>
>-- Robert


  I am also an Internet folk.  Not a racist, and I too have no problem
with similar observations in question.  Ever notice that 1,300 native
American Indian tribes are close to extinction, the last remaining ones
of which have been relegated to "reservations" of downright barren land, 
and that no-one gives a damn.  Well, somewhere, in say, certain North 
American countries people should perhaps have a more human approach to 
their own kind, and then throw stones at other exploiters.

This holier-than-thou shit........

-S
From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Need doughball recipe
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:25:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick) writes:

>I have a doughball recipe that is a little different than the normal
>cornmeal recipe (I am sure others will post this). One particularly
>effective doughball recipe is to take some milk and heat it on the
>stove until it begins to boil. Do this slowly under a low temp to keep
>from burning the milk. Then add wheat germ and stir.  I usually reduce
>the heat after I add the first bunch of wheat germ. Continue to add
>wheat germ a little at a time and stir it in thoroughly. Eventually the
>mixture will pass through a stage that resembles a hot breakfast
>cereal and as you add more wheat germ it will harden to a point where
>it is fishable. It takes a little practice to decide when it is done.
>Just make a little at a time until you get the hang of it.

	For carp only, add a little honey or molasses and substitute
	alfalfa for some of the wheat germ.


>-- 

>jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
>John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
From: bill.garrison@cccbbs.UUCP (Bill Garrison)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: WD-40
Date: 20 Jul 92 04:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cccbbs.1831.25.uupcb
Reply-To: bill.garrison@cccbbs.UUCP (Bill Garrison)
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248

TO:ALL


I was at the pay lake the other day and when I was leaving I saw
this young boy sprayed WD-40 on his Night Crawler. I ask him if
this works? He told me it works most of the time.

Has anyone heard of this before?

Bill
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From: m043117@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Bluegill Recipe
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:16:27 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Needed..Bluegill Recipe..

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: FAQ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:14:24 GMT

>
> How effective they are for mooching and bottom fishing?  I would like to
> hear from experienced fishermen before commiting 40+ bucks, and valuable
> fishing time.
>
> btw anybody interested in maintaning a FAQ for alt.fishing (or
> rec.outdoors.fishing)?
>
> Kelvin Hui
>

Well, since I am starting rec.outdoors.fishing, I 'could' post a FAQ
once in awhile...other than refreshing people on the charter, what did
you have in mind?  "alt.fishing" hasn't ever had a FAQ posted, so is
there really a need?

Brian D.

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| dixon@spot.colorado.edu  |    and experience comes from bad judgement!" |
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From: chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Campbell River Fishing
Date: 25 Jul 1992 17:25:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

My family and I are planning a trip up to Campbell River next weekend
to do some fishing.  I enjoy fishing but I am relatively inexperienced
and not too knowledgable with most of the ins and outs.  I would be
interested in any tips (ie. bait to use, fishing rods to use etc.) on
how to catch salmon etc. up at Campbell River.

Any information would be much appreciated.

Alan.
chim@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Subject: Re: lack of forage
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:41:22 GMT

If the studies that are done prove that the Alwife population has
significantly decreased, can it be brought back by man-made efforts?  In
other words, could sufficient numbers of baitfish be bread and stocked
to increase the lake's population enough to support the gamefish?  If
this was done, would it screw up the ecosystem of the lake?  I wonder if
it might not be better to let nature run its own course.  Although
that's a tough thing to say to the people who make their living through
sportfishing on the lake.

There are definately some interesting issues involved in this.


Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com

-- No, the whole company is not going out of business. --
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Old fishing takle 4- Sale-help
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:12:55 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I would like to get in contact with someone who collects old fishing
tackle-lures and or reels. My great grandfather and grandfather have passed on
several(about 10) reels . All are open faced,either metal or plastic. Two are
pflueger brand rockets. The lures are all ancient and mostly wood ,some are
very funny looking. I have about 30 of these lures. I would like to sell these
if anyone knows of a buyer he can write me for more info. or call
1-409-564-2488
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: BOWFISHING IN TEXAS!
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:07:43 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> I am an avid BOWFISHER in the East Texas area and would like to shoot the bull
....
....
>I would appreciate any messages pro or con!


I guess you don't have to give much thought to C&R :^) 


Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: BOWFISHING IN TEXAS!
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:52:52 CDT

In article 711839263@scofflaw, douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
> csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> 
> > I am an avid BOWFISHER in the East Texas area and would like to shoot the bull
> .....
> .....
> >I would appreciate any messages pro or con!
> 
> 
> I guess you don't have to give much thought to C&R :^) 
> 
> 

Many bowfishermen bowfish for Carp and Buffalo fish etc.  In fact in
many states it is only legal to fish for these (or other "Junk fish").  
Did you really want to insist on C&R for carp?

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dlw@unislc.uucp (David Williams)
Subject: Re: verifying a big catch
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:59:24 GMT

From article <1992Jul18.073209.14104@muddcs.claremont.edu>, by jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim):
> 
> If you just want a guesstimate of the weight, there's a nifty
> formula that gives a good approximation and requires you 
> only measure the length and girth (I think).  Somebody here
> aught to remember it.
> 

> -- 
> John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
> uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)

I still have this sitting around from the last time I saw it posted.
Hope this is what you wanted.
I left the origial posters name in so you can thank him too.

Dave

++++++
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Subject: Re: Sizing those Catch-and-Release monsters.
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)


   As per 'the In-Fisherman' November '91 - Page 14 


         Length x Length x Length
         ------------------------
                denominator


    denominator;

                  1200        -    Bluegill
                      1250    -    Crappie
                      1400    -    White Bass
                  1600        -    Bass
                      2000    -    Catfish
                  2700        -    Walleye ('Stream' Trout, Perch)
                  3500        -    Pike

    Determine the denominator for other species based on body-type;
                         White (calico) Bass between Bluegill and 'Bass'
                         'Stream' Trout and Perch the same as Walleye

                    (a picture's worth a thousand words).

    'Adjust your final calculation up or down, given the condition
(skinny, average, fat) of the fish.'
++++++
-- 
 David Williams 
 Unisys Corp.
 dlw@unislc.slc.unisys.com
From: rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Alaska
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:16:29 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

I'm goin' to Alaska the end of this month for 3 weeks. (eat yer 
gills out ;-)  Anyway, I'll be in a cabin in the Cugach Mtns. outside
of Seward for 6 days and nothin' 2 do but fish!  Anybody got any
suggestions on what to use? (besides a rod n reel >:-(

Any other good places to go?  Ocean shore fishin'?  etc...

TANKS
Rick
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Subject: Address for Daiwa.
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:02:23 GMT


I had an unfortunate accident while fishing this weekend...my fishing
pole snapped like a twig.  I was casting at night (8:30) from a dock
using a Daiwa baitcasting reel, Daiwa Apollo pole, and 10# Berkley
Trilene with a large Jitterbug.  On one cast I thought something sounded
funny, and I looked at the end of the pole which was bent at 90 degrees
to the section that I was holding.  It broke just above the third
rod-guide from the tip.  I have never abused this equipment, and I can
not understand why it would break.  Do you think I should send it back
to Daiwa, and if so do you think they will repair/replace it.  I'm
really bummed because I'm supposed to go to Northern Maine in 3 weeks.

Please post or send the address/phone number for Daiwa if possible.


*********

Just to add a little humor to this tale, as I was looking at the broken
rod, I heard the telltale splash of a largemouth hitting the plug.  I
managed to land the fish with the rod tip sliding down the line.  It was
a 2# Bass.  Extremely healthy.  I'm totally serious, this really
happened.  My wife and inlaws laughed like crazy.  I think they were
laughing AT ME!  It looked like the fish was too, but he went back in
anyway.


Thanks for any info on Daiwa,  Good Fishing,

Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com
Prime Computer
Framingham, MA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mrc@apollo.HP.COM (Mark Campbell)
Subject: Re: FREE THE FISH!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:02:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Chelmsford Systems Software Lab)


> THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT FISH, WHALES, LOBSTERS & OTHER MEMBERS OF THE VAST ARRAY
> OF LIFE THAT INHABIT OUR OCEANS ARE BEING NEEDLESSLY SLAUGHTERED EVERY DAY, BY
> CRUEL, SADISTIC FISHERMAN, WHO REGISTER NO HINT OF MERCY IN THEIR COLD HEARTS!
> THEIR ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BE SLAUGHTERED, SCALED, MAIMED, BOILED OR ROASTED, TO
> SUIT THE CARNIVEROUS TASTES OF FILTHY HUMANITY!!!! WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO ROB OUR
> FELLOW INHABITANTS OF THE SEA-KINGDOM OF THEIR LIVES ONLY TO SUIT OUR PALETTE!

Ya, So what's the point ?

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: fsctc@bass.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence Chang)
Subject: Re: Ultra-light recommendations
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:32:05 GMT

In article <16090003@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (David Bingham) writes:
>>In alt.fishing, bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (David Bingham) writes:
>>
>>      We interrupt this discussion of fishing ethings to bring you a real
>>    question...
>>
>>      I just accepted a job in Vancouver (Yipee!) so I'll finally be within 
>>    reasonable distance of fishing. I'd like to add an ultra-light spinning
>>    setup the 5wt fly rod I already own. Any suggestions about rod/reel
>>    combinations?
>>
>>      I know this was gone over about 6 months ago but I wasn't even thinking
>>    about moving then. Thanks.
>>
>>    David Bingham
>>    ************************************************************************
>>    David Bingham		 	* The power of faith and love 
>>    Hewlett Packard 		* Can change the stuff we're made of
>>    bingham@hpnmqa1.sr.hp.com	*		Michael W. Smith
>
>Somebody.... Anybody??


	Hi Dave, I just bought a real nice ultralight system mainly for stream
fishing. It consists of a 5'6" two piece Fenwick UL rod and the second smallest
size Shimano spinning reel with the "fighting drag". I don't have the model #s
handy, but I hope this helps. The outfit works great. I've only had it for 
about three months. I've landed a 5 lb smallouth on it, from lake Erie that 
really put it to the test. It's also proven very smooth for some of the smaller
rainbows, and  stream smallies around here. The only draw back is the ~110$ 
price tag on the outfit. I would highly reccomend the Shimano ultralight reel
but you could probably get away with a less expensive rod. The rod alone was
~70$. There were several other one piece rods that looked good for 20 - 50 %
less moola, but I wanted a two piece rod for backpacking. Well I hope this was
helpful.	
							Matt Smith
				using Clarences account(my SA doesn't rn)
	P.S. let me know what you decide on

		Hey with the current discussion on little kids fishing 
my 6 yr old cousin recommends boogars for bluegills. He's quite successful.
-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: jsh@nynexst.com (John Hirth)
Subject: Re: Ultra-light recommendation
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:30:55 GMT

In article .....Clarence Chang writes:
>In article....David Bingham writes:
>> I just accepted a job in Vancouver ... so I'll finally be within
>> reasonable distance of fishing.  I'd like to add an ultra-light spinning to
>> the 5wt fly rod I already own.  Any suggestions about rod/reel combinations?
> 
> Hi, Dave, I just bought a real nice ultralight system mainly for stream
> fishing.  It consists of a 5'6" two piece Fenwick UL rod and the second
> smallest size Shimano spinning reel with the "fighting drag".  I don't have
> the model #s handy, but I hope this helps.  The outfit works great.  I've
> only had it for about three months.  I've landed a 5 lb. smallmount on it,
> from lake Erie that really put it to the test.  ....   The only draw back is
> the ~$110 price tag on the outfit.  I would highly recommend the Shimano
> ultralight reel but you could probably get away with a less expensive rod.
> The rod alone was ~$70.

I have an almost identical setup to the one Clarence described and I, too, find
it great.  Mine is the Fenwick Legacy 5"6" two piece rod with the Shimano
TX-110Q reel with the quick on/quick off Fighting Drag.  The reel is not
Shimano's Ultra-Light, but the next size larger (the UL's look as if they
have too small a line capacity for me).  This is a very well balanced and
smooth outfit.  This rod, of which I have several in different sizes and
weights, is available for $47-$49 from mail order places such as Cabela's
and Gander Mountain.

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FAX:   (914) 644-2706                    White Plains, NY  10604
INTERNET: jsh@nynexst.com

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Xref: sparky alt.fishing:2773 rec.backcountry:5518
From: venard@bms.com
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Ancient Forest, SALMON ALERT
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:15:30 GMT
Reply-To: venard@bms.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb

In article <1992Jul23.183152.1835@ico.isc.com>, carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes) writes:
>	teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>>
>>...Japan can easily crown itself
>>the "emperor of exploiters." The same drive that motivates them to
... stuff deleted ...
>
>What, no smiley face?  I think you'd better don your best flameproof
>protection, for these sweeping racist generalities are not going to
>set well with Internet folks.

I'm an Internet folk, not a racist, and I have no problem with the
observation in question. Ever notice when there is a stranding of
whales or dolphin on a U.S. coast, people come out to help the poor
cetaceans as much as they can? Well, elsewhere, in say, certain Pacific
island nations to the east of us ...

-- Robert
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: BOWFISHING IN TEXAS!
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:47:31 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

|> 
|> > I am an avid BOWFISHER in the East Texas area and would like to shoot the bull
|> ....
|> ....
|> >I would appreciate any messages pro or con!
|> 

	1)  I assume that in Texas (as in the civilized world :] )
	 bowfishing is legal for non-game species only.  ???


	2) I am  considering asking my wife (while she is sleeping) if 
	she has any objections to me buying a mini-outboard (10hp or so)
	for my 12ft lake jon boat.  Any advice or observations regarding 
	brands and particularly best values would be greatly appreciated. 
	Please mail any replys to plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu


		'preciate it

				-Pat.
From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Need doughball recipe
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:29:22 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul22.131757.5892@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:
>
>
>Now I want to move onto carp and I have heard that doughballs work
>the best.  Does anyone have a "recipe" for carp doughballs?  What
>type of water is the best to fish on for carp (river, lake, pond)?
>
>
>Scott Mash
>
> 

I have a doughball recipe that is a little different than the normal
cornmeal recipe (I am sure others will post this). One particularly
effective doughball recipe is to take some milk and heat it on the
stove until it begins to boil. Do this slowly under a low temp to keep
from burning the milk. Then add wheat germ and stir.  I usually reduce
the heat after I add the first bunch of wheat germ. Continue to add
wheat germ a little at a time and stir it in thoroughly. Eventually the
mixture will pass through a stage that resembles a hot breakfast
cereal and as you add more wheat germ it will harden to a point where
it is fishable. It takes a little practice to decide when it is done.
Just make a little at a time until you get the hang of it.

Fishing report. I fished in the Allegheny River in Pittsburgh yesterday
for carp and catfish. In 3 hours of fishing I caught 4 catfish and 
14 carp on the aforementioned doughball. The largest carp weighed
between 12 and 15 lbs (I forgot to bring my hand scale) and I lost
one fish that stripped half the line off my ultralight before
he got off. 



-- 

jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: It's a blood sport !
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:42:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant

Vlad the Impaler move over ! Indeed, the looped line
method of hook extraction Pat mentioned may have
been better than what sounded to be a scene from
"Scarface"! You may want, however, to smash down the
barbs on those trebles, I've found it much easier to
remove hooks from my clothes & person since I started
doing this. Besides, in the time you spent at the emergency
room the worlds record bass may have cruised that very
shore you were fishing, but you weren't there to catch
it. Barbless hooks - whether you C&R or not - allow you
to spend more time fishing and less time goofing around
because your hook is stuck in something (from a fish to
an earlobe). 

                                jc in Me.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:03:38 EDT
From: <SRK8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Fishing Depth And Time

Recently I had gone to scuba dive at a place called Raystown in
Pennslyvania.  I found out some interesting things about fish.  Most of the
fish seemed to be at a depth of about 20-30 feet.  This is just below the
first thermal layer and I found mostly bass and carp.  Also the fishes
seemed to almost always near the bottom of the floor.  Only during the night
could I see all the small fishes, lots off minnows and cray-fish.  Does this
mean that at this time of the year we should be fishing deeper and at times
when the sun is not out ? I am just a beginner fisherman, so I would like
you net-folks to comment on this.


Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: Tim Dunn <tdunn@erseq.us.oracle.com>
Subject: re: Where to bring my son(3-1/2) for
     first success
Organization: Oracle Complex Systems Corp.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:51:47 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.



	Lets see, I first took my nephew GREG out at
about that age.
	We went to a regional state park called
Tuckahoe on the eastern
	shore of Maryland because I knew there would be
lots of bluegills,
	white perch, catfish and hopefully bass for him
to attempt.

	He was so successful with the panfish that he
lost all fear of fishing
	for things that were unknown to him, and I
gained a life long fishing
	buddy. By the way on this trip, Greg accidently
snag a carp that would have
	gone about 8-9 lbs which I had to help him with
and after the 10 years since
	he still hasnt forgot that beast.

																									Good Luck .....        
  Tim :-)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing