HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug25.015001.18997@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.225503.7283@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>
>>Glancing through my econ text, "we emphasize again that the changes in
>>labor supply that occurred were small.  For example, one study [Jerry
>>A. Hausman and James M. Poterba, "Household Behavior and the Tax
>>Reform Act of 1986, _Journal of Economic Perspectives, Summer 1987]
>>estimated that the Tax Reform Act of 1986 increase labor supply of men
>>by 0.9% and the 1981 ERTA increased the labor supply of men by only
>>0.4%.  This small response of labor supply contradicts the
>>supply-siders' claim that the tax changes would have a dramatic effect
>>on economic behavior."  (Macroeconomics, Abel/Bernanke)
>
>Elizabeth, can you expand on this a bit?  You seem to be claiming that
>the tax changes had no effect on labor supply.  Well, that seems
>pretty predictable to me.  Why should it?  The tax changes were
>supposed to effect labor demand.

Posting twice for the same article?  Two for the price of one, eh? :-)

I just put up a reply.  Let me add one thing: the chapter of the econ
book where I got this from dealt with the effects of tax laws on
labor supply, so the authors were concentrating on that aspect.

>
>>One thing the capital gains tax cut did was fuel speculation, creating
>>a boom on Wall Street if nothing else.
>
>What's wrong with that?  

Which part?  The boom on Wall Street?  Not much wrong with that.  It's
very nice for the local economy.

The speculation part?  Well, arguably, companies were forced to look
very carefully at monthly statements, so long term projects and
investments were discouraged.  Short term loses could not be sustained
for fear of making the company a take-over target.  Also, arguably,
resources were devoted to a "paper economy" instead of towards real
production.


--
"There's one reborn every minute."
		-- Dalai Dan, 153rd Reincarnation of the Lama.
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:17:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug28.140743.21281@s1.gov> <1992Aug28.155723.3187@u.washington.edu>
  <1685114F54.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu>

>Why do you think he keeps a small apartment in Texas that he visits once
>a year?  Gary Trudeau exposed his specious Texas residency for the purpose
>of avoiding taxes in a series of Doonesbury cartoons.  He even published
>a form which you could send to some Texas department which would establish
>your Texas residency so you could avoid taxes too just like George Bush.

Out of curiosity, where do you think he should pay taxes?  Washington DC
doesn't tax high officials, Texas doesn't tax residents, and he *DOES* pay
state taxes in Maine.  The Bushes give about $100K/year to charity, of which
most goes to Texas charities, and he does have strong connections to Texas
from before he became President, so Texas residency is not bogus.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: norm@sdc.com (Norm Nithman)
Subject: Re: Newest Quayle Quote!
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:06:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.122704.10983@walter.cray.com> jmeredit@ferris.cray.com (James Meredith) writes:
>... The liberal media continue
>to skew the facts of the convention to meet thier own agenda.

Darn those guys!

Norm
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Drug regulation by FDA(Was: Re: Private Discrimination)
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:03:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug23.073301.24122@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:

>	I beleive that the best position for the FDA is to give it
>the status of something like UL or CSA where you can choose
>to purchace a product that has been approved and listed as such.  

More is needed, as often one does not have enough easily competing 
products, and the UL, for example, provides no information on the
utility, only the safety.  As for CSA, I am not sure what you mean,
but no consumer agency tests enough variety or tests adequately.
These agencies do their own testing.

In fact, the FDA does no testing, but requires certified testing 
information from the manufacturers, and establishes protocols.
Also, the FDA should have the obligation to see that fraud, including
the withholding of adverse information, does not occur.  Let the 
manufacturers' report on drugs include adequate information on why
the drug should work, including clinical trials (numbers, not the 
meaningless P values), and as much information on restrictions and
dangers AS THEY HAVE OBTAINED.  Remember that a drug can be life-
saving and also deadly.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ
Subject: Re: A Simple Thought Experiment (was Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution)
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Aug21.165333.23470@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:
>
>The U.S. is the lowest taxed developed nation.  Tax decreases, especially
>capital gains tax decreases, can spur speculation that neither creates
>jobs nor utility.  

I challenge this assertion that the US is the lowest taxed developed
nation. Unlike centralized governments in other countries, the US tax
burden is distributed among local, state and federal levels. Many different
kinds of taxes are involved, from personal and corporate income taxes, SS 
taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, property taxes (real and intangible), etc, 
etc, etc. When all these are summed, I don't think the US will be the lowest 
taxed industrial nation. According to the Taxpayer's Union, over 3/4 of
all income winds up as taxes.

Gary
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:41775 talk.politics.theory:3845 alt.politics.elections:11507 alt.politics.marrou:903 alt.politics.bush:2808
From: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (Hal Berenson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: US Public Schools: Get Rid of All the Bureaucrats!
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:43:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug25.160002.13154@kadsma.kodak.com>, pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes...
> 
>As a mild counter-example, take a look at the persistent difficulty in
>finding honest, effective auto-repair shops. This has been a problem
>since the automobile came on the scene, and even in this regulated age
>is still a problem.
> 
Largely because its a subjective call.  Take any given business and you
can find people who had a problem with them and others who will swear by
them.  Auto repair happens to be an extreme case.  So, you have look at
complaint rates for various businesses within a given industry to figure
out if someone is good or not.  You also have to be willing to
complain when you feel you've been wronged so that there is a data base
to look at.  Right now the Better Business Bureau is the keeper of the
complaint information.  I often wonder how many people make use of this
resource before making a major purchase or choosing a service supplier.

.............................................................................

Hal Berenson	

Home: 71640.3535@compuserve.com
Work: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com

-- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's! If
I happen to communicate with you from work rather than home, its just
for convenience (just like asking for a "daytime phone number") and should
not be construed as representing the views of my employer or its
employees, officers, directors, or stockholders. --
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: George Bush's new math...
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:36:42 GMT

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

>In Message-ID:<t!cng=k@lynx.unm.edu>, johnchad@triton.unm.edu (jchadwic) writes:
>>I seem to be a bit confused.
>>President Bush wants to lower taxes across the board.
>>President Bush wants to cut the capital gains tax.
>>President Bush wants to cut the deficeit.

>	No confusion there.

>>Now President Bush wants to increase spending with a job training act.
>>And President Bush refuses to tell us what programs he is going to
>>cut. We are asked to "trust" him.

>	And?  Congress does this every day.

Exactly. The GOP's want us to dump Congress because of stuff like this.
Why shouldn't we dump Bush too?

>	Tax cuts will provide economic growth, increasing revenues.
>	By cutting spending, the budget will be reduced and excess funds freed
>up to reduce the debt.
>	Or is every new program to be outlawed because every existing program is
>sacred?
>	Bush did it wrong before, but maybe he's looked back on the 80s and
>seen the light.

What exactly is "the light"? Did the 1980's produce long-term economic
stability? Apparently not.

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CLARKSON '95				   --George Bush's apparent motto
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A PC-HATING, PRO-LIFE, LIBERAL CARD-CARRYING ACLU MEMBER

"Is it inconsistent to chide Hillary Clintons support of legal
rights of children, and then demand that unborn children have
legal rights over their mothers?  Is this what the Republican
party is promoting?"	---Mike Polen (talk.poli.misc user)




Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:43090 talk.bizarre:28297 ba.politics:4943 ca.politics:7310
From: rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre,ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,misc.test,ba.politics,ca.politics
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:00:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <12032@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.191904.10455@waikato.ac.nz>, spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) writes:
>> In article <11996@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>>This is what I expect though from liberals -- trying to justify
>>>a clearly crazy person with a deadly weapon.
>>Which crazy person with the gun do you mean.  The Chancellor, the Activist, 
>>or yourself?
>The crazy person with a deadly weapon had a machete, not a gun.

Been watching "Friday the 13th" again, have we, Clayton?


5150
it's jason, run... oh wait, it's just dan quayle
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Sex education at home Re: Abortion story
Date: 25 Aug 1992 22:31:56 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

In article <4733@news.duke.edu>, eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
|> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> =eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

|> =|> 	Children should become educated by their parents with regards to
|> =|> sex because they have the perspective of looking at sex as a sign of
|> =|> love and committment rather than pure anatomy or birth control. I
|> =|> understand it is not easy to discuss, partially because parents fear
|> =|> that the knowledge they accord to their children will be applied too
|> =|> prematurely. This is becomes a family matter of trust.
|> =
|> =The assumption that their children will wait until the parents or the
|> =church decide it is time to KNOW the truth is humorous at best.  What
|> =you have is a bunch of uneducated children out drinking and screwing and
|> =getting pregnant.  Check into you local high school's pregnancy support
|> =program.  At my daughters high school (she worked with the program one
|> =semester), many were white, middle class, baptist girls.  One went
|> =to the junior high school next door.
|> 	I agree that some parents will wait until it's too late. That is
|> humorous in a tragic way. I've said it's a matter of trust in the
|> family: the parents must trust themselves that they are doing the right
|> thing in telling their children about sex and they must trust their
|> children that they will do the right thing and not get hurt. That's the
|> problem with not only sex education but also alcohol.

But we would place a tremendous burdon on these children who's parents
waited too long to educate their children.  You talk about a matter of 
trust in the family, but religious observance doesn't imply always doing the
right thing.  Previously you talked about responsibility for one's actions.  
Here the responsibility is the parent's, yet you would have us penalize
the child.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Keep the gridlock locked!
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.114848.23180@hemlock.cray.com> dadams@cray.com (David Adams) writes:

>Maybe voters want government to be in a gridlock.  Just maybe that is
>our way of saying that we really don't want more laws.

There is some truth to this idea. The problem is, the steering wheel is
stuck with the car going in the wrong direction. I refer here to the fact
that the Fed. Govt. is running a $200billion+ deficit that is costing you
and me big money, and the only way to stop it is for the same Fed. Govt.
to do something about it.

If we're going to have permanent gridlock, at the behest of the voters, let's
at least get the budget into balance first!

>
>---
>--David C. Adams    dadams@cray.com


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: rogers@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (mister rogers)
Subject: Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's
Organization: i represent myself
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:50:34 GMT

In article <1685080A8.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>
> The point made was that when all these effects are factored in, OVERALL the
> American worker made positive gains in the 80s. You can't assume evryone
> in the country had the same experience as you, or that you would have
> gotten a raise under a different administration.

this is patently untrue. even the republicans are not saying 
this. what they do say is that household income has made 
positive gains over inflation during this period. what they 
do not say is that this is because more and more households 
depend on multiple incomes to keep ahead. per capita income 
has made overall declines for the boomers and younger. this  
is the first generation to, on average, do worse than their 
parents financially since the depression.

-------------
mister rogers
-------------
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:12:28 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: National Health Care

In article <1992Aug27.103235.8992@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
says:

>
>  One of the big cost to the health system comes from taking care of
>people in extremis: I've seen statistics which suggest that 2/3 of all
>health care goes to people in the last 6 months of life. Now, most of

That statistic is bogus.  The most reliable estimate is from Medicare
data.  Twenty-eight percent of all Medicare expenditures was made
for enrollees who were in their last 12 months of life.  The national
percentage is probably much lower, given the nature of Medicare
expenditures.

>this is for older people, but among people who can't afford care the
>impetus is to wait until the condition can't be ignored. These costs
>are higher than they need to be. Given an inexpensive primary care
>provider, these costs should come down. My last visit to my internist
>came to just over $100. It was a stretch and the visit had been delayed
>several times: I know that at $50 dollars for a visit, I would have
>been more likely to go. I can only suspect that for people whose incomes
>are 1/2 to 1/4 of mine that their patterns of cost and care are similar.
>A ounce of prevention, yes?

Most economic studies of prevention are quite dismal on cost-savings.  Read
Louise Russell's Economics of Prevention for an over-view.



>One of the studies about inflexibility in cost among doctors when the
>numbers of physicians in an area increase comes from the ability of
>doctors to peg their rates to the income they want to make, a not
>unreasonable choice. But this ability is not infinite: think of it

This theory is about 15 years out of date and not used much anymore.
I don't even teach it anymore and it doesn't receive any mention
in the texts on health economics (the good ones, that is).
Current theory focuses on information costs and search, uncertainty
about quality, and information asymmetry.  In these models there is
no necesssary "laffer curve" and increases in the numbers of physicians
can still increases costs.

>as a medicinal Laffer curve. Eventually increasing the number of
>primary care givers will have produce a downward pressure on costs. See
>1 patient at $175,000 per year? Probably not. Does this run the risk of
>eventually driving out the Best and the Brightest? Sure. But the recent
>study which shows the US having a lower life expectancy than Costa Rica
>suggests that the lure of flat bed press salaries is _not_ providing
>decent care for society.

Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Another good reason to vote for Bush
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:51:32 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug18.052035.22833@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> The Y chromosome clearly confers unsurpassed wisdom and knowledge.
> That's why we should listen and obey our men sans questions.

Damned straight!  F***in' hey!  [No smiley, and no joke.]

> Similarly, all those female hormones that wash through pre-menopausal
> women interferes with her clear thinking and right judgement.

And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
mind.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: The Claytoon on the Couch (was Re: Stereotyping)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:55:25 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Aug26.045151.17644@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

    
    >After reading some of the Claytoon's arguments on how gay
    >people should ostracize NAMBLA, I'm surprised that he has not
    >called upon the Republican Party to ostracize:
    >
    >A Jew-baiter and Nazi sympathizer whose father raised him to
    >beat up other kids, who once punched out a cop, and who
    >admires Joe McCarthy. [Pat Buchanan]
    >
    >A lifelong mediocrity who supported the Vietnam War while
    >sitting it out in the National Guard, who has a gift for
    >embarrassing himself with repeated gaffes, and who considers
    >himself more-than-competent to criticize pop culture. [J.
    >Danforth Quayle]
    >
    >A woman who went to law school yet who thinks that not being
    >a full-time housewife goes against a woman's most fundamental
    >nature. [Marilyn Quayle]
    >
    >And that's not the end of it, of course.

Hmm. Interesting values there. So, to you, a political mediocracy (O.K.,
that IS redundant) is the same as someone who is actively for child
molestation to be legalized?

Let us all make sure YOU aren't in charge of triage.


-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The politics of Andrew
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:37:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <19959@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>Bill Clinton is planning a trip there this week, too.  Would someone please
>explain *one* good reason why the residents of that area need him there?

Maybe as next President of the United States, he owes it to the residents to
see the damage directly himself? Just a thought.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
From: lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com (Eliot Lear)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:31:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


It's messages like these that make me think that Clayton should come
out of the closet.
--
Eliot Lear
[lear@sgi.com]
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Selectivity vs Objectivity in the Media
Keywords: Bronze Age, anal sex, press cover up
Organization: LLNL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:39:59 GMT

In article <95202@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>This bizarre story out of recent reports from Austria:

@ Remeber "Otze"? The 5,500 old Bronze-Age hiker who froze to death during
@ a snowstorm in the Tirolean Alps in Italy, and was found almost completely
@ preserved last year?

@ Well, it seems that a part of the story that was originally reported in
@ Austria, Switzerland, and Italy, "somehow escaped attention" here in the
@ United States.

@ What the press here declined to mention, in order not to offend our delicate
@ sensibilities, was that during the autopsy, researchers found human semen
@ in "Otze's" rectum. The frozen sperm was dated at the same age as the man's
@ body.

@ The world's first known "bottom".

@ Perhaps the press wanted to avoid certain individuals jumping to conclusions.
@ After all, Otze was wearing a leather outfit, black jewelry, and had tattoos.

	Hot Young Star, do you know where one can find the "original"
reports of this?