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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: 27 Sep 1992 05:09:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

On the question of black sprinters...I take it Mr. Hyok Lee is naturally endowed
with ability in statistics.  Anyway, some social-cultural anthropology research
suggests that the reason high-school track athletes from inner-city/black
schols do better than suburba/white female sprinters is because the former
is willing to lean weight closer to the ground, taking greater risk.

By that argument, we notice that black athletes tend to predominate in sports
like track that don't require a lot of money for training.  What someone was
saying earlier about opportunity cost, which seems to answer why there are
few black tennis stars, swimmers, skiers, bobsledders.  I don't think it's
because blacks have inherent handicap in these sports.  Rather, how many
white people feel it's cool to run around a track?  If we took some of those shi
white stars in other sports and reinvested them in track, we might see some
return.  Just wait for the day when communist china invests its talent pool
of 1 billion in more expensive sports....
From: SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AAAHHH! Interracial dating.. again? Why?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:39:05 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Penn State University

Just a few things about interracial relationships..

Lots of people have posted their opinions about why there's resentment
toward AA females dating CA males.  Well, honestly, I have to say that I
feel some resentment (Wait!  Before you shoot, listen to what I'm saying,
here).

It's true that some AA males may not like seeing AA female/CA male
relationships because 1.  They can't get a date with CA females and thus
feel they're getting the short end.  2.  They can't get a date with AA
females who prefer CA males 3.  They're just racists who hate CA males

Sure, all these reasons are applicable in different cases, but I don't think
there's any one reason you could quote for those feelings.  For example, in
my case, I don't mind if an AA female/CA male relationship is based on
mutual affection and love.  That's fine.  In fact, that's great that two
people can share that kind of feeling.  What gets me is when I see an CA
male dating an AA female just because of what he thinks she is.  Or using
that AA female as a trophy to show how studly he is that he can get this AA
geisha-goddess female.  Also, it irks me when an AA female dates CA males
just because of their color.  That is to say, this AA female rejects others
soley because they aren't white.  Accordingly, it would annoy me if an
African American female would reject the idea of going out with me just
cause I'm Asian-American.

As far as the rationale that AA males dislike AA female/ CA male
relationships because they, themselves prefer CA females and can't get them,
sure, I guess that can be true, but as far as my experience goes, I have had
CA girlfriends, as have lots of my AA friends.  Still, we have the same
feeling towards (some, not all) AA female/CA male relationships, since the
majority of the ones we see (at least here, are "unhealthy" as far as we can
see).  Of course, we may well be wrong as to the true nature of these
relationships and I guess judging by appearances isn't really a good thing
to do and I should stop doing it, but that's human nature -- to judge)

And for the record, I feel the same sort of feeling toward a certain AA
male/ CA female relationship I know of.  Why?  The same reasons -- the AA
male is merely using the CA female (who really truly loves the AA male) to
raise his stature in the eyes of his peers.  I guess that's what I would say
is the root of some of this resentment we see -- a feeling that AA females
are being "used".
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: palm reading
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:40:02 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <92276.093517U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Well, I've had my palm read twice. Once by an uncle of mine in Taiwan,
> who read it the "Chinese way" (read left palm because I'm male) and once
> by a friend of mine who read my palm the "Peruvian way" (right palm
> because I'm male). Go figure. However, both of them said that I would be
> married when I'm 32. My aunt who did handwriting analysis said the same
> thing.
> 
> Guess I've got 4 years left :@)
> 


To live or to marry? 8=)


> Wilbur Pan
> (aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
>  at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
> 
> 
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 23:21:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Glass ceiling (was Re: Census report)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american

jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) asks:

>Speaking of which, *for purposes of the Census Bureau's reports*, are children
>of Asian/non-Asian marriages classified as Asian, or the other race?  Does it
>matter what the other race is?  Do they go strictly by what you mark down as
>your race on the form, or do they try to "guess" based on last name, etc etc?
>I don't recall what the form looked like, or for that matter, if I even filled
>one out.  :-)

When we filled out the census, we indicated that Kiri (who is "happa", as you
folks who've met her and my husband know) was Asian AND Caucasian (i.e., we
checked BOTH boxes for her).  I guess they'll just have to figure it out since 
I indicated I am of Asian descent and my husband is Caucasian (European).

>As Clare mentioned, the outmarriage rate among AsAms is higher than that of
>AfAms, and while I don't think it's as high as 80%, it may be high enough that
>any "confusion" over whether children of those marriages are also classified
>as Asian or not could lead to a somewhat significant change in some of those
>numbers in those reports.

Agreed.  I would prefer to have her ethnicity counted, but I can understand if
she isn't counted because she's not "purebred" (geez, there must be a better
term than that :-).

>Another thing.  Are Asian Indian-Americans classified as "Asian" in those
>Census reports?  My guess is "no," but I don't know, and I don't make up the
>silly rules, either.

I can't remember from the form if they were segregated as a class from the
"Asian" group..... if they weren't, then I guess it's up to the individual
Indian-American to decide if he/she wants to be counted in the Asian or
some other category.  When we celebrated "Asian/Pacific Islander Diversity
Day" at my company, we questioned whether the Asian-Indian community should
be included..... the feedback I got from the coordinator is that the few
people he asked didn't think of themselves as Asians and therefore didn't
want to be included.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold--not affiliated with Mattel
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:59:57 GMT

In article <lcedbuINN19k@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
>	Me: 	
>	> Then how do you explain those of us who grew up in a Chinese 
>	> family who didn't suffer any of those things? Obviously the 
>	> actions you've listed cannot be attributed solely to Chinese society.
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
>	> As Mr. James Pak (jpak@oakhill.mot.sps.com) pointed out, a 
>	> behavior or action does not need to be exercised by everyone in 
>	> a particular cultural group in order for that behavior to be 
>	> considered part of that cultural group. "whipping with a belt" or 
>	> equivalent actions is everyday ordinary behavior in Chinese-cu 
>	> society.
>You have yet to prove that it is "everyday ordinary behavior in Chinese-cu
>society."

You have yet to prove that it isn't.

>I contend that it is not. 
>	Melinda

I contend that it is.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: September issue of _Transpacific_
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:03:30 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

shaw@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:


>I picked up the September issue of _Transpacific_ magazine the other day,
>which I tend to do whenever I see it on the newstand, which actually isn't
>all that often.  Quite frankly, I'm not sure why I do it, since
>_Transpacific_ tends to turn my stomach -- probably partly out of a sort of
>morbid fascination with how ugly, vulgar, money-obsessed, and sexist Asians
>can be, and partly because it's the only damn magazine out there targeted
>at the Asian market.  Yeah, that's me, Mr. Captive Market.

Transpacific makes me sick.  I prefer A. Magazine better, they are 
down to earth and I can relay myself to the kind of Asian American 
audience the magazine is trying to reach.  A. Magazine is not as flashy
looking as Transpacific, it doesn't have all the $1500 Armani suit
and $800 briefcase ads but it is a magazine that reflect the real AA I know.

I also recommend the Asian Week - a weekly newspaper from SF.  It is put
togather well and it covers AA news on a national, state and local level.

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american

I've never been to Japan, although there is a city there which shares my
surname (and I believe my family is related to the ancestor for which the
city is named).  I'd love to go someday.  There are relatives of mine in
Japan, none of whom I correspond with because my Japanese (written and
oral) is so poor I could not write to them, and they don't speak English.

There are several reasons I've never gone, none of which are particularly
"good" ones -- the fact that I don't speak/write Japanese, don't have any
close relatives that do understand Japanese well enough to be an interpreter
for me (and that I would want to travel to Japan with), don't have much $$$
for the trip, don't have the time (I'd want to stay for a month or more to
get the chance to learn more than just what's in the cities)..... anyway, 
suffice to say I want to have the experience but just don't know how to go
about doing it (especially now, with kids).  

So I too would like to hear others' perceptions of their visits to their
cultural homelands.  And for keeping ones' roots here where the heart is.
:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: S.C.A.A. Readership Statistics
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:00:13 GMT

   clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

     Thought you might be interested in knowing that our s.c.a.a. is
     #263 out of 1577 newsgroups in readership.  There are an estimated
     25000 people worldwide who read this group, with 69% of the
     sites receiving this group.  

     [more statistics deleted]

Although these statistics and rankings are quite fun, they aren't
necessarily very reliable.  When I last looked (admittedly several
months ago) the stats were being collected in a way that couldn't
capture usage by people with NNTP-based news readers.  That's a large
(and probably growing) chunk of the news audience.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
From: waveland@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman)
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.194345.15065@leland.Stanford.EDU>
   underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>>In article <66951@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>>>The Republicans have a flier that says Asians Share
>>>Republican values.

Um, Artie, can you say "tokenism"?  

>>>Not
>>>all Asian Americans raised hell in the 60's - lots of them
>>>concentrated on getting into Berkeley and MIT, getting
>>>engineering degrees and M.D's, and raising families.

>Is that really commendable?  I suspect that most were getting their
>engineering degrees and didn't give a hoot about what was happening
>in Vietnam. 

Just an aside, but it might be worth remembering that a considerable
portion of today's Asian-Americans who were alive then were still in 
Asia at that time.   



-- 
Eric Holeman                  waveland@milton.u.washington.edu

"The number of people who expected Mrs. Hutchinson to win a Bendix washer 
 would amaze you."--Shirley Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:26:56 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Sep24111927@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.221303.10884@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>   First, to clarify, the case of the girl terrorized by her Hong Kong
>   Chinese parents is the case of the Chinese-American girl in San Francisco;
>   although incidents like this assuredly occur in Hong Kong, I was referring
>   specifically to the incident in San Francisco.  She has my sypathies;
>   if I could help her in any significant way, I would.
>   As for Mr. Kamprath's statement about child abuse, I must repeat myself.
>   What Chinese-cu parents consider love and fundamental human decency is
>   very different--very different--from what Westerners (and Japanese)
>   consider love and fundamental human decency.  Chinese-cu "love" would, in
>   many cases, be considered child abuse in this USA.  "locking a kid in a
>   closet for a day, or whipping with a belt" or equivalent is considered
>   everyday ordinarily behavior in Chinese-cu society.
>   It is a perversion.  It is a perversion.
>...
>Chinese culture tends to support the "elders are wiser and always correct"
>mentality.  It is based on Confucianism.  This is not necessarily the best way
>but that's the way it is.  Screaming about obliterating Chinese culture (a
>culture that has close to 800 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at
>best.

Let's do some word substitution.  Chinese culture <-> Nazism
800 million <-> 40 million.  So, in 1939, we have Mr. Tan saying,

   Screaming about obliterating Nazism (a culture that has
   close to 40 million adherents) is pissing in the wind at best.

Yes.  That would be the sort of stuff that a Chinese-cu would say.
I suspect that the victims of Nazism think differently as do victims
of Chinese-cu culture.

By the way, being right is not a popularity contest.  (not that a
Chinese-cu or a Nazi could understand....)

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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy and all-around curmudgeon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:38:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23800
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy and all-around curmudgeon)
Distribution: na
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals


In article <1992Oct3.192240.598@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>Anytime you come across a CM/AAF couple, nine times out ten he'll be chewing on
>a Milk Bone dog biscuit.  But since people usually marry person of close physical
>proximity, does this mean most AAFs are also dog biscuit lovers?  You be the judge.

Aw, c'mon, this is no better than some other people's 'race-traitor' arguments,
where they'd have people marry for politically correct reasons, be miserable
in a misfit, and suffer life through for some pointless racist agenda that
is doomed either to failure or all-out war.  First you make a completely
insulting statement about the males, and then you show your sour
grapes by condemning the females, as well, because of their
choice in mates.

Around here, none the mixed couples of either direction I know qualify
for your standard, as far as I can tell.  I wonder, is it your own standards
or your prejudices speaking with your "milk-bone" perceptions?  Now
a few couples would qualify as wierder than imagination (and we're not
talking anything to do with race here!), but what do you mean by "milk-bone"
anyhow? Ugly?  Wolfish?  Stupid?  Pathetic?  From the few words I read here,
I expect to see a sign on your embassy saying "No Dogs and White Men Allowed".
Heck, you out-do the 1930's English on this one.

Woof.

Woof.
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From: U58402@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92271.111146U58402
 <1992Sep22.221303.10884@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <KYTAN.92Sep24111927@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
 <1992Sep26.232656.23607@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Sep26.232656.23607@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>By the way, being right is not a popularity contest.  (not that a
>Chinese-cu or a Nazi could understand....)

Of course, it does not follow that being unpopular means that you are
right, as Mr. Joe should well know. :@)

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American culture (was Re: Some clarification)
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:22:46 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <MDAY.92Sep18202210@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>I have a feeling that we're wandering away from the original point,
>but how much of Judaism is left if you take away the Scriptures? 

I wouldn't doubt that language is an important part of culture.  My
point was only that is it possible to have a coherent culture without
a shared language.

>And isn't it important that the Scriptures are maintained in Hebrew?  

For my understanding of the Jewish culture, it isn't particularly
important that the Scriptures are in Hebrew. 

After all, Hebrew was a "dead" language like Latin by the era of
Christ (when Greek and Aramaic were spoken), and was only resurrected
in the nineteenth century as part of the Zionist movement.

Incidentally, Yiddish is derived from Germanic languages and has as
much relation to Hebrew as Chinese does.  True, Yiddish is generally
written using the Hebrew alphabet, but there's no reason that Chinese,
English, or Swahilli can't be written using that alphabet.

(Corrections netters more familar with Judaism and Biblical history
will be graciously accepted.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lkauk@tweety.net.com (Kuak Lee IBM Liasion with NMS)
Subject: think
Organization: NETWORK EQUIPMENT TECHNOLOGIES
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:12:23 GMT




I have read or skipped through about the last 500 messages
posted on this forum and found almost nothing intelligent.
Maybe Spark was talking about this forum.

Here's my $0.02 worth to make this forum better.

1. Stop all the comparisons such as between cultures and 
   races.  Those just lead everyones feeling angry and mad. 
   You can't possibly describe about Asian or AA culture in 
   1 page note; hence, you can't educate someone or change his view 
   on AA culture and AA through frames. You can read an encyclopedia 
   about Asian culture, but to understand and appreciate it, 
   you may have to experience everything said in the encylopedia.
   If they put a frame in ours, you put ten in theirs. 
   Don't fight here.
   
2. Post news clips from your part of the world. 
   I don't care it's a good or bad news, if it is fact and about
   AA, I'll like to see it.

3. If you have good/bad personal stories to share, post them.
   I am interested about how other AA live and work.

   If you just want to bitch about things, do it in front of a 
   mirror. As much as you don't like me bitching about
   you, your family, your culture and your race, I don't like 
   you doing the same.  You're proud of what you are, 
   and I am proud of what I am (else, we both should commit suicide). 
   Your pointless arguments just throw people (I am one) off.

   The idea or the goal of this forum should be to get more AA 
   involved in CONTRUCTIVE and INTELLIGENT discussions, and
   to provide important relevant information to AA. 

4. Do some research on AA and let us know.

5. Post community news and events.  Make someone living in a 
   community responsible for posting that AA community events.

6. Spread good and important words around to the interested parties. 

7. Plan get togethers. 
   
8. Use the medium wisely, and know your audience.

9. Take an active part in doing good for the community. Do your part.
  
10. Think before you speak.  Don't put your personal biased
    opinions.

When I started reading this forum, I didn't expect that almost 
all the discussions on this forum will be on race and culture 
related frames. 

There must be a billion and a half other things to do 
and talk about. I think this forum is for exchanging ideas 
to improve AA communities in US.  THIS IS A FORUM FOR AA. 
You (AA) don`t have to defend AA roles or AA culture. 
If one puts on garbages, tell him/her politely to stop, 
or direct him/her to another forum. Don't carry on frames in 
this forum, or you'll destroy a good thing.

- K.L.Lee