HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: To Li Xiaolin, et al
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:29:37 GMT

Li Xiaolin, did you notice that I VERY seldomly responded your shit, because
you are not worthy of my effort to knock you out.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: aguo@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (aihua guo)
Subject: Re: *-*-*-*  Yeh  Shannon  is a spy of CCP government !!! *-*-*
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:20:04 GMT

In article <81331@ut-emx.uucp> ast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Abraham Shen Tong) writes:
>
>
>Dear netters:
>
> I found out this BIG news after I had read Yeh Shannon's messages all
>
>over the network,  and the things he is doing.
>
>Isn't this great!!
>
>Abraham S. Tong
>
>Austin,  TX
>
It is great! But do not you think it is so easy just by reading people's
postings on this net to say a person is a spy or something? I do not 
think anybody has this capability.

Nowadays, it is kinda fashion to slur anybody else is CCP's spy or agent if 
somebody does not agree with that person. But in so doing, the attacker
first put him (or her)self to the loser's position. Since he or she can not
find a sound reasoning to argue with, then the next thing he or she can 
do is only this. I will say this kinda attack is meaningless, stupid (of
IQ 80) and coward.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:18:45 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.154534.4580@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) won Boo
|> >Actually, quite a lot of the simplications are already in the Cao3 Shu1.
|> >For example, the char [x that Dave particularly cited as an example is
|> >in use in Cao Shu long before the formal simplification occurs. (I think
|> >I have seen the simplified char love in CaoShu too.) I always have a 
|> >liberal view on this issue:
|> >
|> >*  (written) language is always in an evolution process: many ancient
|> >   char stops being used (i.e., dead) while new ones are being created
|> >   because of new needs. These things happen even without the simplification.
|> >   The simplification is just a formalization process, which at least
|> >   serves the function of standardization.
|> >
|> The simplified char was started when I was in elementary school, and I
|> was very excited about that as I could spend less time in practicing
|> calliograph (Da Kai and Xiao Kai). Yet the more mature people complain
|> that the simplified char deosn't have style.

I think CaoShu is the most stylish one among all the different styles of
chinese calligraphes. And yes, my only concern is also whether the simplified
one is more beautiful than the old one. Accordingly, I think people who
cannot write a good hand of chinese character in MaoBi, especially in
CaoShu should shut up on the subject, period.

Steven
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328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:32:37 GMT

>In article <ldjshbINNb5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>The mentioned few words, Kuai, Da Zha Lan, Si Gu (sillion valley) has been
>discussed on SCC over and over. I found out people on SCC during TAM time
>were honest. They did admit the error and fairly comitted to correct the
>pronounciation. 

What's wrong writing "Xi Gu" rather than "Si Gu"? We know you did not learn
PinYin. However, at least two netters pointed out a few days ago 
that if you do not like the name "Gui Gu" you can use old name "Xi1 Gu3". 
We know you really mean silicon valley since we went through the old 
arguments, but a new reader would think you mean either "silk valley" 
or "death valley". 

So, please fairly comitted to correct the spelling.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:25:53 EDT
From: <SFC104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Xiaoyan Liu

Hi.  Who knows Xiaoyan Liu, who graduate from Wuhan university in 1987 ?
Please tell her to send a e-mail to YT@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au or call wave
at 814-867-2539. Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
From: <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 17:29:08 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <2AD2455A.27169@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
writes:
wrote:
>
>-------    ------       |--|     |     |    |===|   / /___  / \__  _\ _\_
> / | \    |=|==|=|   |=||--|     |  \/ |  -------  /|  | / /||  |   |  \/
>/  |  \    --/-/--      |--|     |  /\ |    /|--    | /|\   ||  |   |  /\
>   |         \/        _|__|__   |_____|,  /\|___   | \|    || \|  /\_____
>             /\
>
>=|= |}    \ |==|    |  _|/__   -----     /          __|/__    ----    ------
>-|- |}    \ |__|  |-|-| |\    |=|=|=|   /|-----|      |\     ___|___   /|\
>|-|--|     |- |_  | | | | \   ---/-/-    | | | |      | \    | | | |  / | \
>| | \|   |/|_ |_\   |   |/ \     \/   ___|_|_|_|__    |    , | | |\|   \|
>                                /\
>
>  |==|    ---\   _|_     ___ |     -----     /            |/
>-------  -|-|-  __|/__   | |_|__  |=|=|=|   /|-----|   ---|---
>  /|--   /| \/    /|__   |_| |    ---/-/-    | | | |      |\
> /\|____ \| /\|  / |__\      |       \/    __|_|_|_|__    | \.
>                                    /\
>
>------  -----   __\___      /     \/  ----|   /     |     __\__ --   / __|__
> /|\   |=|=|=|  |----      /\     /\/ |===|  /| |   /\    |===| |/  /| |_|_|
>/ | \  --/-/-  \||-|-|    /  \     /| |\      | |\ /  \   | \   |\   |   |
> \|      \/    /|| /\|   /    \   / | | \/    | |//    \  | /\  |}   |   |
>         /\    / |  \|  /      \   \| |/ \    |  /      \ |/    |    |   | ,
>
>  |==|    / /___  / \__  _\ _\_   =|= |}    \  |==|   |  _|/_   ----    |=|  |
>-------  /|  | / /||  |   | \/   --|- |}    \  |__| |-|-| |\   |=|=|=| __|_ ||
>  /|--    | /|\   ||  |   | /\    |--|--|    /|_ |_ | | | | \   --/-/-   /| ||
> /\|___   | \|    || \|  /\____   |  | \|  \/ |_ |_\  |   |/      \/    / |  |
>                                                                 /\     \| \|
>                                                                      __
>   /      /  |=|   _|_ _\_     / /___   __|__   /\/\  -- \   -----  \  ||_
>  /\     /| __|__   |/ |_|    /|   |/     /\     /\  -|-|-   |-||   \ ---/
> /  \     |  /|\   /|  |       |  /|\    /  \   /--\ /| |/   |_||      \/
>/    \    |   |    \| /    ,   |  \|    /    \   ||  \| /\|    \|  \/  /\
>                                                 |}
>
> -----    |=|  |    /     /  |=|   __|_ _\_
>|=|=|=|  --|- ||   /\    /| __|__    |/ |_|
> --/-/-   / | ||  /  \    |  /|\    /|  |
>   \/    /  | || /    \   | / | \    |  |
>   /\      \| \|          |   |     \| /    .

Of course YOU (Mr. Yeh) do not want any protection. You are protected
by AK-47s, tanks, and APCs. Why do you need anymore? you even do not
need your hides, you are shamless!
Lynn
From: gong@cs.uq.oz.au (Ming Gong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: PLEASE ignore Shannon Yeh
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:47:53 GMT
Reply-To: gong@cs.uq.oz.au

Please ignore My Yeh's posting unless you want to make laugh on
him. This man has a narrow mind of typical Chiness peasant. He
confuses the country with the government, the people with the 
Party, and many different things. If you argue seriously with him,
you just put yourself at his level, and make the net too noisy to
bear.

Gong 
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I hate to be protected by anybody, but have sympathy for who need
protections to lead better lives.
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From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:01:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct14.151734.3839@vax.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes...
>In article <1992Oct14.021808.29871@engage.pko.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>>>So, what is the point to thank old Chiang ?
>> 
>> There is no point to thank anyone. We paid tax to "hire" old Chiang, little
>> Chiang, old Lee, ... etc manage the government, if they do good job, we 
>> continue hire them otherwise they should be fired. That's all.
>> 
> 
>	** Yes, people "hire" them.
> 
>	   If they do a good job, continue to "hire" them.
> 
>	   But, if they did a good job, should we also "thank" them? 
>	   If you say no, it's all right. But don't you try to
>	   become a boss, because you will not be a good one.

*correction*

Certainly it is nice to say "Thank you" to whoever work for you if he/she 
did a good job.
From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Read postscript file?
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:52:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia State University

zhoub@qut.edu.au writes:

>If there are some softwares which can be used to read the postscript file 
>directly on PC or UNIX system?
>Any help are appreciate.

      As I know, Ghostscript running on UNIX machine can be used to view the
postscript file.  You can get Ghostscript from several ftp sites via anonymous
ftp.  Sorry I don't have those addresses in hand right now.  But you can check
comp.sys.sgi news group, there is a ftp site list posted monthly. You can find 
some interesting softwares (including Ghostscript) and their locations.  I had
Ghostscript on my site before,  but never use it.      On my SGI workstation, 
you can preview postscript file by easily double click mouse and it will be
 shown on the screen.

Good luck.

************************************************************************
    Hui Mao                                chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
    Department of Chemistry                mao@dixonsgi.gsu.edu
    Georgia State University              
    Atlanta, GA 30303                      (404) 651-3803
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From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:08:03 GMT

In article <ld718sINNjhb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>
>No wonder you guys cannot communicate right things.
>It is Qin Kuai, Kuai is a combination of wood and meeting, pronounced
>to be Kuai, not "Hui". Isn't it a distruction of Chinese culture?
>Note: I checked my dictionary which was published in mainland X years ago.
>Ha, some day that Mao Ze Dong may be pronounced Mao Ze Xi if CCP stands.
>Hey, FYI, it looks ugly having his wife nude besides him. His wife was
>innocent, and Chinese should not treat an innocent like that.
>
>He was the same character as Wu San Quei, selling information to enemy.
>

This charactor has at least three pronounciations as I know: Hui4, Kuai4 
and Gui4. Hui4 is a pronounciation used in Beijing Operas. This may not
be the pronounciation at Song which might be the fourth pronounciation.
Thank you for checking dictionary but there are exceptions.

Other extentions are too wild. No comments.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:42:31 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Japanese chars are uglier

According to some netter, the simplified Chinese characters are uglier than the
non-simplified ones, simply because they are simplified.  Following that logic,
Japanese characters should be the ugliest: Japanese only took parts of Chinese
words.  Yet, no one has blamed, so far, the intelligence of the Japanese people
.  Can't believe it!  JL
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From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:34:54 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(1) chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>>Interesting, would Mr. Matloff be so kind as telling us the purpose 
>>of this survey? After all, our opinion would have absolutly no impact
>>at all on the outcome of this election. Why would you need such meaningless
>>information?

(2) echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>	Since you were not the only one who had asked...  Why?  Could simply
>collecting some data be the purpose of a survey?  Norm has said that he
>will post statistics from this survey later, isn't it enough?  Frankly,
>I would be much more hesitate to answer a survey if it is done by some
>one with certain purpose.  In that case, the sampling space will be
>more likely to be biased.

I asked Mr. Matloff a simple question and am expecting a straight
answer from Mr. Matloff. I fail to see the "purpose" of your presence
here? Now would you please step aside and give Mr. Matloff a chance?

>	If you don't trust Norm, why not doing a survey yourself as an
>independent check?
>	Or is it that only people who hold politically correct opinions
>have the right to do a survey?

Where did I make those statements?
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:55:33 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

I think most netters have good enough command of English that their
points usually come across quite well. Discounting typos, most
material errors are due to over eagerness in using unfamiliar terms
which the user doesn't have a proper grasp on their meanings. A
case in point is the use of "irritable"(should have been "irritating")
instead of the more common term "annoying". There were cases when
"status quo" was used improperly to mean "status", but of course
"status quo" sounds so much more Latin, legal and learned. The
worst errors are those saying the exact opposite of what the user
intended. There was this guy who meant to say Bush is no better than
Li Pang, but thought that it was more fancy to use "Bush is none the
least better than Li Pang". Now, given a not-very-understanding party
he might end up in deep doodoo.

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You (Wa Re: Once again, please ...)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:07:08 GMT

In article <Bvx13G.420@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:

>[...]
>
>Nobody says that you should go back.  The question is how you get it, 
>by being "protected" or by your talent? U Understand?

  Let me try.  The second sentence above means that those being "protected"
  should go back, which is a flap on the first sentence, loudly.
  
>There are still a lot of space for people to handle this LAW. If it
>were enacted, I suggest that ALL the capable benificiaries apply for
>it if necessary.

  Of course, including yourself who must be one of not so many so-called
  capables.

>                 In doing so, the real opportunists would get less 
>chance to take the advantage of the other people.

  Yea, let the so-called capables take all the advantage.  After all,
  seems you just want to keep the advantage for yourself.

>                                                   Since the LAW is 
>going to be activated half a year later, there is still a lot of time 
>for international political games to be played, in the duration.

  All the time, you had been criticizing others playing political games.
  Now suddenly, you like to see more political games. 

>                                                                 So,
>there might be many things unpredictable in order.

  Sure, just wish CSS a bad luck to have yourself feel better.
  
>We will see, anyway.

 Keep your fingers crossed, for yourself.

-ping
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shannon, Bush, and others
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: phloem.9210091619.AA26280
Organization: Indiana University
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 09:22 EST


          Are you trying to break into Shannon's machine?  I think
          this is totally wrong.  Why do you have to understand what
          he thinks by reading his mails?  He is an open person who is
          not afraid of saying what he thinks.

          Shannon certainly has the right to express himself either
          through broken English or Chinese cuo4 bie2 zi4 :-).

          My major concern is that Shannon has drafted a letter to
          Bush in which some strong languages are used.  I just
          wonder if he has sent it out or not.  And I sorta "nie1 zhe4
          yi1 ba3 han4" for him.

          About 8 yrs ago, I read a book which describes the
          Guarding System of White House.  I understand they have
          psychologists from the FBI who analyze every letter and
          label those considered abnormal, especially those with
          strong languages, as potential risks to the president.
            
          At any given time of the year, there are about 100 people
          labeled this way nationwide, and their behaviors are
          systematically monitored.  So my advice to Shannon is:  "ti2
          gao1 ge2 ming4 jing3 ti4".  If you observe any stranger
          wondering around your company or you house, with sun
          glasses, wolkie-talkie, and ya1 she2 mao4, try to pretend
          you did not see them, but grab the first available taxi, go
          to the airport, and leave this country.
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From: lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: FWD - Hui, Kwai, Gui again (II)
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:04:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.98833
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

A friend asked me to forward his article anonymously. All works and points
presented in the following, are his, not mine. This is the 2nd instalment.

Lao Lix,

    Several posts have appeared questioning the pronunciation
of the personal name (ming2) of the Song dynasty chief minister
who is widely blamed even today for Yue Fei's tragic death.  
In a previous message I have explained why the infamous official's
zi4, which is Hui4-zhi1 and would sound very odd if pronounced
Kuai4-zhi1, makes it virtually unavoidable to conclude that his
ming2 should be pronounced hui4, not kuai4.

    The point is: whenever the shape, form, or meaning of a ming2 
is in doubt, the zi4, by virtue of its reason of existence, must be
the ultimate source of evidence.  I will give you another example.

    Remember the Sichuan military genius and later PLA marshal  
Liu Bo-Cheng2.  There are two ways to write the name Bo-Cheng2:

   1.  Cheng2 as in "Feng Tian Cheng2 Yun4" or "Ji4 Cheng2"
 
   2.  Cheng2 as in "Di4 Gan3 Qi2 Cheng2" (as in the story
       of the Foolish Old Man Moving the Mountain)

   After 1949, the CCP made sure everyone in the Mainland
use the Cheng2 in #1, to the exclusion of the Cheng2 in
#2, when referring to Liu Bo-Cheng2.  In Taiwan and Hongkong, both 
forms are used, depending on the individual preference.  The fact 
is that both forms are equally valid.

   Why?   Liu was a KMT officer under CKS.  He used
both forms.   His zi4 alternated accordingly.  

To the Cheng2 in #1,  the corresponding zi4 is  Xiao4-Sheng1,
	Xiao as in 24-xiao4 and sheng1 as in Kang Sheng1

To the Cheng2 in #2,  the corresponding zi4 is Ming2-Zhao1,
	Ming as in Ming Dynasty and Zhao as in SiMa Zhao1

You will appreciate the elegance and aptness of the correspondences 
and be convinced that Liu did have two sets of ming2/zi4 prior
to 1949.  For the general readers, it would be a good exercise
in Chinese cultural studies to figure out why Xiao-Sheng
corresponds to the Cheng2 in #1 and Ming-Zhao to #2.


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From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:54:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <liqiang.718248207@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>eat? How do u prepare your food? How long does it usu take u to prepare
>your dinner?
>
>I'd like to welcome comments from everybody: Chinese, non-Chinese. My under-
>standing is that most people do some cooking. 

I'm just an ordinary generic white American, and I never cook.  Don't even
have any food in my apartment.  I always eat at: Company cafeteria, McDonalds,
Other resturants if with friends, or eat at my parent's house when I'm 
visiting there.  I moved a few months ago to this apartment; I haven't even
figured out where the supermarkets around here are.  
Please note that most American males are not taught how to cook (in school,
or at home).  
I know that one could save some money by cooking, and not eating out, but
I don't want to go to that much trouble and also don't want to deal
with the yucky mess to clean up afterwards.  
===========================================================================
499.99 years ago, Columbus discovered America.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:40 PDT
Subject: sc. magazines, subscr. to PRC
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472500014:000:356
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Oct 12 06:40:00 1992


Has anybody here experience in living as a foreigner in China and running into
difficulties in subscribing (or continuing to subscribe) scientific magazines
to her/his Chinese address?

I don't expect, that I can subscribe news magazines (i.e. Asiaweek etc.), but
how about "New Scientist", "Scientific American" etc.?

Goetz Kluge
Seoul, Korea
1992/10/12

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