HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Facts, Re: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:46:09 GMT
Organization: Mousebat, Follicle, Goosecreature, Ampersand, Spong, Wapcaplet,                 Looseliver, Vendetta & Pang


	"For those concerned about immediate medical hazards in
	ingesting LSD, short references might be in order, just for
	the record:  Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of
	animal studies, that the half-lethat human dose -- meaning
	half would die (a standard measure for drugs) -- would be
	about 14,000ug.  But one person who took 40mg (40,000ug)
	survived.  In the only case of death reportedly caused by
	overdose (Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association 75:
	172-173), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that
	320mg (320,000ug) had been injected intravenously.  Those
	concerned about this might also look up `Coma, Hypertension,
	and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose: A
	Report of Eight Cases,' by J.C. Klock, U. Boerner and C.E.
	Becker in Clinical Toxicology, Vol. 8, No. 2, 1975.  Large
	amounts were taken on the assumption that the LSD was
	cocaine; no one died."
			-- Psychedelics Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition
			   by Peter Stafford; Ronin Publishing
			   page 70

OBUL#1:  Those cases you read about in the paper occasionally in which
prisoners die from "accidentally ingesting rat poision" were actually cases
in which strychnine was deliberately taken as an aphrodesiac.

OBUL#2:  Upon pulling a baggie of white powder from the glove compartment of a
car he had just pulled over, the cop was about to taste a wet fingerful of
the powder for that familiar cocaine taste when the arrestee (in heroic
and compassionate disregard of his Miranda rights) saved his life by yelling
"Don't!  It's pure crystaline LSD!"  Whether the lion, after having the
thorn removed from his paw, later aided the mouse is uncertain.
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
	Ratio of men to women who are arrested on murder charges:  7.4:1
	Ratio of men to women executed in the U.S. since 1976:     175:1
	Ratio of men to women currently on death row in the U.S.:   73:1
From: v129nlgw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PAUL HOWARD)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: dextromethorphan hydrobromide
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I don't know a whole lot about the chemical effects of DM, but I've
gotten really high off of it about 20 - 25 times.  I always drink one four
ounce bottle of Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough, and the rush comes anywhere
from immediately to within 45 minutes.  It feels a little like acid in some 
ways, a little like alcohol, a bit like pot, and maybe some like opium.  It's
definitely a pleasant sensation.  I've had cravings for it the day after 
using it, and I've used it two nites in a row a few times.  (After the second 
night I have always been "sick" of it.)  Once I took an additional bottle 
5 hours after the first and was violently ill for 2 hours.  It was horribly
unpleasant and I would advise against using more than 4 ounces.  The store
brands of DM are just as good, but be sure you're getting only Dextromethorphan
hydrobromide, and maybe a little alcohol.  They're also about a dollar cheaper.
	Overall, I'd say it's a nice high, but a poor substitute for a real 
hallucinogen.  I've had friends who claim to have been addicted to DM, so be
somewhat careful.  And, by the way, it goes well with pot (doesn't just about
everything?)  After a bottle of Robitussin you could take a 6 foot bong hit and
not cough!

peace,
Paul
From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana Effects
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:35:53 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Dec17.53247.13786@ms.uky.edu>, sheila@nx26.mik.uky.edu (shelia c kinney) writes:
>   a question:
> 
[...]
>  I've heard, um, my friend has heard that there
>  are tiny particles of fiber glass in menthol cigarettes; the 
>  "cool" sensation is due in part to the fiber glass cutting 
>  into the lung tissue.  


fiber glass in cigarettes?  I hope you are just pulling our legs!

>      (hoping it's oh so true...for the sake of my friend)
> 

Sheila, you must not like you friends very much!


Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:25:34 -0500 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME

> Hoooowever... there is a more rediculous ad: The scene is a smoking car
> piled up against a tree with two kids "going at it" in the back. The
> ominous narrator says Joey (some nae, I forget which) has been in a
> ftal accident today and he doesn't knw it.. he's also about to get
> AIDS. At some point the mention Marijuana as the means of getting high.
> The clincher is the same as the cartoon "Get high, get stupid, getAIDS."
> How's that for utterly ludicrous?

A FOAF once smoked MJ with a girl he was relatively good friends with. Well, in
no time at all they WERE going at it... The girl had previously told the guy
that she didn't want to have sex with anybody, yet while high she was not so
reluctant. Being the nice guy that he was, (as well as a bit more sober
than she at that time), the guy told her what she had said before about
not having sex, and it was not easy to convince her that they shouldn't.

The point is, when high you might be a little stupid about remembering
your values, not to mention the dangers of unsafe sex. MJ can enhance
physical sensations, and my FOAF says they still had a lot of fun even
though they didn't actually have sex :-)

-Bart
From: esterling@igc.apc.org (Eric Sterling)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What can we do? (NORML)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:Bz8JEn.FnL@udecc.engr.udayton.ed:-1667408962:cdp:1301300221:000:1628
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!esterling    Dec 15 09:12:00 1992



Mike,  I'm delighted that you posted your desire to make a difference.
Please email or send me your mailing address so that I can send you papers
that you can use for organizing and educating your colleagues.

To make a difference, work with other folks.  Is there a drug policy reform
or study group on your campus?  Is there a civil liberties group?

Form a group.  Hold a meeting.  Post signs, put a notice and article in the
campus paper about the group getting started.  Find some folks who want to
work for reform.

The objective is to change the laws.  That requires the particpation of those
who will benefit from changing the laws.  Pot smokers will benefit in two
major ways.  They will no longer be breaking the laws -- they don't have to
worry about being arrested, going to jail, paying fines, paying lawyers, losing
their property, losing their job, being disqualified from being hired, losing
a scholarship, being expelled from school, etc.  They will also pay less for
hemp, and therefore save money.

Ordinary citizens will benefit.  Police will spend more time investigating
burglars, car thieves, robbers and rapists.  There will be prison cells 
available for such criminals.    If marijuana  is taxed it will reduce
the taxes they may have to pay.

I have material that I can send to you.  I also travel to college campuses
to speak on crime and drug issues.

Please contact me.
Eric E. Sterling
President, The Criminal Justice Policy Foundation
Coordinator, National Drug Strategy Network
2000 L Street, N.W., Suite 702
Washington, D.C. 20036
tel 202-835-9075
fax 202-223-1288
email esterling@igc.apc.org
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:10:49 GMT

sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:

>*Suspected* informer -- that was the trouble.  It's not a UL that cops
>are scared sh*tless of drugs.  

Except the ones who are hooked on drugs, or who sell them.  I knew
a young lady (a cop), who used drugs, and sold them.  Where'd she 
get them?  Other cops.  I bet the evidence room was a real treasure
for that clique.

There is the ObUL (semi UL) of the maniac on PCP: cop-proof, baton-proof,
mace-proof, taser-proof, bullet-proof wacko who bites of 5 cop ears before
he can be restrained or killed.   Real or not, it is no wonder if they
are afraid of this story.  It is real, to some extent.

>Anyway, back before the War on Drugs became the Moral Equivalent of
>Communism, LSD was common on college campuses.  Several groups analyzed
>street drugs and published the results in an assortment of
>"underground" newspapers.  Very useful to find out what you *really*
>bought ....  *Every* analysis of "street" LSD that I saw contained
>strychnine.  Supposedly it was added to "intensify the high".
>Quantities were *way* below the poisonous level.  You probably wouldn't
>want to take 5000 hits at once, though.

	I'd have to see your source to take this one out of the UL file.
The lists I've seen of the results were closer to "none" than "every"

Jim D
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:00:20 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Dec14.121416.19716@u.washington.edu> lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>I read a report where some researchers tried to determine the lethal
>>dose of marijuana in mice.  There tongue in cheek conclusion was that
>>the lethal dose for humans was 2 pounds of marijuana per pound of
>>body weight.  There was a quote to the effect that "if you eat a piece
>>of hashish the size of a couch, you will probably die".
>>
>>Of course, you can also "od" on water.
>
>Right, but there is no *known* lethal dose of marijuana, whereas there
>is a known lethal dose (or approximately known lethal dose) of water.

The quote above was from a legitimate study.  The point was that there
is a lethal dosage for marijuana, but it would be next to impossible to
injest that much.  Imagine a 200 pound man eating 400 pounds of hashish
at one sitting.  It would kill him due to the physical impossibility of
ingesting that much of anything.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fucking Loosers !
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:03:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec20.012042.1982@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Fucking Loosers !
>The WOD propaganda and police destruction of the Constitutuion 
>continues unabated ... and indeed unopposed. 
	[. . . ]
>Yea, being high FEELS LIKE you are doing something - but it's only
>inside your head. We need REAL WORLD action ! 
	Lighten up Francis. Bad harvest in Florida this year or something?
	If I were you I would cut back on caffeine and treat myself to a nice
	trip to Amsterdam. ;-)


							smg
From: mccoy39@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Chromium What ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:44:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <MARKG.92Dec20000038@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> 
>     --Mark writes:
> 
> BTW, I find ~500 mg of niacin to work well as a mild tranquilizer at bed time.

I have noticed this too, and find it works even better with GABA. 
Inositol supposedly adds to the sedative effect, but I want tryptophan.

Does anyone know if taking niacin results in higher concentrations of
tryptophan, which in turn produces more serotonin--or is niacin's relaxing
effect due to something else?

mccoy39

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:39:41 GMT

U56673@uicvm.uic.edu () writes:

: for not doing my homework... me thinks that the slighly rude (at least to me)
: graduate student who spend most of his time in the library looking for ways to
: make his research better should stop roasting his undergraduate contemporary wh
: o never has a need to go to the library.  this is just what i think is happenin

And never has the need to use a dictionary either - apparently.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Placebo - LSD...
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:43:44 GMT

S2822338@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (s2822338) writes:

>3 hits couldn't possibly cause anything "bad" to happen.  MAYBE 30.
>The LD you are thinking of is almost certian to be for lab rats,
>NOT people.

Ringo's believe it or not:
 I have a friend who has, on two occasions, ingested an entire
sheet of acid. Yes, friends, 100 hits at a time. He described the
experience in terms of weeks. You'd have to know this person, I 
think.
 Intellectually he hasn't been reduced one whit. He argues he's
even better at mental sorting, etc. He seems noticably different
from others socially, but I wouldn't say anything BAD has come of
his usage.


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From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Why I don't like MDMA
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:03:49 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech

In article <1992Dec16.072727.10229@cognet.ucla.edu> seger@cognet.ucla.edu (Carol Seger) writes:

>The worst thing was coming down -- one second I would be ecstatic,
>the next I would be totally normal, and depressed that normal life
>wasn't as happy as on the drug.
>
>So I don't have much desire to use MDMA again, though since I am older
>now and have more realisitic expectations, I expect I could do so and
>enjoy it. It certainly has its spectacular qualities, but is far from
>an unmixed blessing.

	Yes,  from what I've been told,  MDMA has more emotional grab
than the classic psychedelics,  so it might have more disadvantages
similar to those of non-psychedelic drugs.  Yet,  from what I understand,
it can be very difficult to bring the gains from psychedelics into present
time.  A friend of mine has a 'Shroom memory of his floor acting like
a kaledioscope,  and because it is very unusual and sticks out,  it is
the one he gets if he thinks about his floor.  But otherwise,  memories
written under psychedelics tend to get weird tags attached,  so they tend
not to get activated/integrated all that well afterwards.  Maybe this is
good,  because it means that dangerous material doesn't integrate well
(flashback fade) but the good stuff takes a great deal of effort to
bring it into your baseline space.



-- 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: Pseudoephadrine hydrochloride
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:24:49 GMT

In article <cf_y=v200WBKQ3ko0P@andrew.cmu.edu> Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Has anybody ever heard of Pseudoephadrine Hydrochloride
>
>
>and if so...what are the effects of taking this drug...are they similar
>to ephadrine (white cross)...
>
>
>
>merlin
>

Hmmmmm.... I am learning something new everyday.  This may be a really stupid
question, but white crosses are a form of Speed, right?  I used to take white
crosses when I was in High School (Working 40+ hours a week too!).  I wasn't
sure exactly what I was taking, but I got them from a very reliable source,
so I trusted that they were just speed.  So I guess that ephadrine is a form
of speed... Right?                    

Excuse the Stupidity,

----====****> Mike

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From: ap.6875@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] testing anonimity
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.6875@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:10:38 GMT



just checking 1
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: caffeine myths
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:57:14 GMT

In article <Bz6Ls2.K4p@acsu.buffalo.edu> v092kdab@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (susan) writes:
>I was wondering how caffeine affected atheltic performance.  Why would an 
>athlete use caffeine?, and why are the consequences so high?

Caffeine does enhance performance, which is why it's banned.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:14:12 GMT

This story is taken from the Independant newspaper, published in London,
England on thursday 17th December, under the headline "Two deaths linked to
same batch of LSD". Reprinted without permission, all typos are mine.

"A verdict of death from abuse of drugs was recorded yesterday on a man
who had taken tabs of LSD on which the cartoon character Bart Simpson was
depicted, [writes Kathy Marks.] 
	Timothy Murphy's death came 17 days after that of a teenager who
had taken similar tabs, an inquest in Luton was told. Dr Patrick Toseland,
a toxicologist at Guy's hospital, London, who submitted a report to the 
hearing, said afterwards that deaths related to the hallucingenic drug LSD
were extremely rare. ''I hadn't seen one for 23 years until these two this
year,'' he said. Mr Murphy, 25, collapsed at his home after drinking heavily
and takin 11 tabs. Dr Toseland said that alcohol could increase the risk
of death from LSD. An inquest last month was told that Denise Jones, 18,
died in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, after swallowing similar tabs."

I guess that answers the question "How much LSD is fatal?". 11 tabs, in this
poor bastard's case.

Tony.
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Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:36:24 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> Of course, you can also "od" on water.

There are enough toxins in potatoes to kill you if you eat 7 tons in one day.


-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
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From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:33:41 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive



Neither rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter),
nor chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) wrote:
> There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.

But wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) casts doubt:
> Horseshit. Marijuana (or its active components, anyway) are strong
> sedatives (among other things) and will kill you by respiratory failure 
> if given in high enough dose. 

Perhaps you could back up your claim, by citing some deaths
from respiratory failure caused by the ingestion of marijuana?  Or by citing 
some studies which calculated the lethal dose of marijuana for humans?

If it turns out that you need to eat something the size of a small car,
or that no one has ever died from marijuana poisoning, then perhaps 
you'd be a sportsman and retract your claim.

--
                    no .sig, have got a life instead.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:39:15 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:

>>>>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.

>sedatives (among other things) and will kill you by respiratory failure if
>given in high enough dose. Of course, you'd pass out long before you smoked
>that much, then running the risk of aspirating vomit and pegging it a la
>Elvis...

	I thought Elvis shot up dilaudid and died on the shitter?
I also read it didn't matter because he was dying anyway of a medicine-
ball sized booze-liver and a football sized impacted shitball in his
colon from years of alternating binge-eating and fasting, properly enhanced 
by a strict regimen of amphetamine happy meals and sleepy Percodan sundaes 
(for that extra constipation that 9 out of 10 doctors reccomend).

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: iritis
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:29:28 GMT

i am currently suffering from iritis (treated with steroid drops.)

i haven't explored the matter in all directions with my
opthalmologist, so i am looking for information along the lines of:

what causes iritis? ( agents, whatever.)

why is iritis fairly common in ankylosing spondylities (which i also
suffer from)?

my guess is that the only answers are that no one knows.
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phillip@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Phillip Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana contains nicotine?!
Keywords: marijuana nicotine disinformation
Date: 10 Dec 92 06:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: phillip@kraken.UUCP (Phillip Jones)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia

In article <1992Dec7.213456.27692@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>In article <apohl.723080922@unixg.ubc.ca> apohl@unixg.ubc.ca (Derrick Pohl) writes:
>>So, anyone ever heard tell of this nicotine in marijuana balderdash
>>before, or is it in fact the purest poppycock?
>
>Actually, in parts of Europe, including the British Isles, marijuana and
>hashish are frequently mixed with tobacco prior to smoking.  I think it's
>pretty disgusting, myself.

Well the habbit is also seen in Australia, although only to make the stuff
go further. Personally I also think it is discusting, and is usually only
done by tobacco smokers.

>
>This mixture, of course, definitely contains nicotine.  Perhaps this is what
>is being referred to?
>
>-Pete Zakel
> (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)
>
>Excellent time to become a missing person.
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