From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Stardates and Timelines (was Re: Stardate conversions)
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr13.073654.392@whscdp.whs.edu> stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu writes:
>	Most people assume that TOS's first season represented one year of the
>FYM, when the stardates show that it ran over two and a half years.  TOS ran
>from stardates 1000 to 6000, the full FYM.  So they really did get to finish
>the FYM in TOS.  TAS fits right in the middle, except for four episodes, three
>of which were past 6000,

Actually, there are four past 6000:

6063.4     "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" #21A
6334.1     "The Pirates Of Orion" #19A
6770.3     "The Counter-Clock Incident" #22A
7403.6     "Bem" #17A

I think the last might even take place after ST:TMP.

>			  and one that was before 1300(TOS:WNMHGB), but, these
>are not canon,

Sure they are.  They were released by Paramount, they're on film, they say
"Star Trek" on them.  They're perfectly canon in my eyes.

>		and only the one before 1300 cannot be explained, because
>it cannot have happened before "Where No Man...," and can't happen in 2274,
>since this is the year TMP probably took place.

I dunno; I don't remember "The Magicks Of Megas-Tu" very clearly (can you
blame me? :-) but it *could* take place before "Where No Man"...

>	Anyway, TOS: Journey to Babel was in stardate year 3000,

Actually, it was closer to 4000 (3842.3 to be exact).  But who's counting? :-)

(No, I don't have these memorized; I have them on-line. :-)

>								and TNG's 
>43000 was third season, 2366, so the original FYM's third year was 2266.
>For stardates 1000 - 5999, the years were 2264 - 2268.

Sounds good.  (I.e., that's how I computed it, too. :-)

>							The special missions
>ran from SD 6000 to somewhere around 8000, 2269 to 2271.

What "special missions"?  what episode do you get this from?

>							   From SD 8000 to 1000,
>2271 to 2274, Kirk was chief of SFO and the Enterprise was being refitted,
>(which is why the TAS episode from SD 1300 cannot go here, either.)

I see this period as lasting from 2268 to 2271, with TMP taking place in 2271.

>	Now, in order for TMP's stardate to fit in, the system must now change
>to YYdd.d, SD 74**.*, when Enterprise had completed its 18-months in dock, Kirk
>had completed 2.5 years as chief of SFO, and McCoy and Spock spent 3 years in
>retirement.  This all happened from 2271 to 2274.
>	The E's second FYM, we assume, runs from late 2274 to early 2279,

SECOND five-year mission?  What episode or movie is THIS from?

>									  when
>Kirk again recieves a promotion, and the E becomes a training vessesl in danger
>of decommission.  We know this because of the recent canon material presented
>in TNG: "Cause and Effect," where the USS Bozeman featured new "Okuda" control
>panels, and the crew wore the uniforms from STII to STVI.  The Okuda panels
>were not presented on the Enterprise until STIV, so the panels the Enterprise
>was refitted with in TMP are already outdated, having probably been designed in
>the early 2270's.

Another possibility is that the TMP Enterprise was a test vessel for a lot of
new designs and technology, and the Bozeman control panels were simply a
production model with the bugs knocked out.  But whatever.

>	The SD for STII:TWOK is 8141.3, *exactly* 15 years since "Space Seed,"
>which was SD 3141.  "Space Seed" was in 2266, so TWOK was in 2281.  STIII to
>STV also took place in 2281 (despite what the TNG Tech Man says, it's been
>wrong before,) and STVI took place 11 years later, in 2292.

I agree with ST2-4, but what's your evidence for ST6?  All I recall hearing
in that film is that it's been at LEAST three years since ST3.  (Ten years
may be about right, though.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Beauty... survives."
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