HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark)
Subject: Making Plans for Sendmail
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:18:01 GMT

Sorry if you are getting two copies of this--the first time through it
didn't seem to get out.

I have a few interrelated questions.

1. I have seen reference here and there to 5.67 sendmail and even a
sendmail+IDA 5.67.  Is there an IDA version?  If not, will there be?

2. What are the plans for sendmail and IDA?  I would expect
incorporation of Content-Length support (I suppose this is in 5.67?),
but what else is on the horizon?  Better support for X.400 addressing?
A complete rewrite?

3. If I want IDA sendmail on Solaris 2.X, what do I do?  Will 5.65c +
1.4.4.1 work?

J. Porter ("Sendmail's whole future is as good as sealed") Clark
-- 
J. Porter Clark    jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov or jpc@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov
NASA/MSFC Flight Data Systems Branch
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: Ray-Naugle-RWW140@email.sps.mot.com (Ray Naugle)
Subject: Disappearing "From:" line
Followup-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Organization: Network Applications
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:40:46 GMT

I am running SunOS 4.1.2, sendmail.mx.  I feed the following text
to sendmail and the "From:" line disappears.  What gives??

$ cat z
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:24:35 MST
From: someone@some.where
To: naugle@pelican

text goes here.
$ cat z | /usr/lib/sendmail -fsomeone@some.where naugle


If I remove the "Date:" line, sendmail will insert a line with
the exact format of the date shown and the "From:" line will still
be included in the received message.




Ray Naugle  [Ray-Naugle-RWW140@email.sps.mot.com]  (602)897-5108
Motorola, Inc., Semiconductor Products Sector, Network Support and
Development
2100 East Elliot Road, Mail Drop EL512, Tempe, Arizona 85283-1801
From: e07@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Eric Wassenaar)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Sendmail dumps core during transaction
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:55:53 GMT
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

In article <1992Dec15.173135.21061@hubcap.clemson.edu>, hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:

> sammut@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (David Sammut) writes:
> >I am running Sendmail 5.65 with IDA on a VaxStation II (fairly slow
> >a mail message.  It cores after the mail transaction has been processed
> >but before the mail message has been taken out of the queue.  This causes
> >multiple transmissions of the same message until I delete the message from
> >the queue manually.  This problem only seems to occur when the number of
> >recipients is 45 or more.
> 
> I had the same problem here with vanilla sendmail 5.64. I posted the 
> problem here and no one (not even neil!) posted a reply. I fixed it
> by upgrading to vanilla 5.65. Are you sure you have IDA 5.65? Is whoever
> IDA'ed the 5.65 you're using sure they used 5.65 sources :-) ?

There used to be (and still *is* in the SUN sendmail) a bug in the
module deliver(), at the point where recipient addresses are
concatenated in 'tobuf'. The incorrect test for buffer overflow was:

	if (sizeof tobuf - (strlen(to->q_paddr) + strlen(tobuf) + 2) < 0)
		break;

which casts to 'unsigned', and the test will never be true, thereby
overflowing tobuf if there are many recipients.
The test should read:

	if ((strlen(to->q_paddr) + strlen(tobuf) + 2) > sizeof tobuf)
		break;

It was fixed in 5.65. Also in the IDA versions.

Eric Wassenaar
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Internet: e07@nikhef.nl
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: rickert@cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: Disappearing "From:" line
Organization: Northern Illinois University.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:54:45 GMT

In article <Ray-Naugle-RWW140-141292143354@netapp3.sps.mot.com> Ray-Naugle-RWW140@email.sps.mot.com (Ray Naugle) writes:

>I am running SunOS 4.1.2, sendmail.mx.  I feed the following text
>to sendmail and the "From:" line disappears.  What gives??

I bet you modified 'sendmail.cf' so that the local mailer does not
add a "Received:" header.  If so, **put the Received: line back**

[This is actually a /bin/mail bug, which SunOS must have copied from
BSD.]

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: schan@andy.bgsu.edu (Steve)
Subject: Help in Eudora
Followup-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:34:35 GMT

Hey! Guys. I am using Eudora at BGSU through the University backbond, but I
want to use the software in the modem also.  My friend just download a
Toolbox image file from Apple com. site for me.  What I suppose to do is to
install all the scripts into the system and the software should works. 
But, it doesn't!

There is one file named "installCTB11".  This should be the program which I
can double click and then everything will be done for me like magic.  But
it doesn't work that well.  So if somebody out there knows how to get the
Eudora works in the modem.  Please reply my message at schan@andy.bgsu.edu.
 I will very much appreciate your help.  So, plea....se!

Ooh! If you guys knows any public domain communication software which is
user friendly and works better than kermit, please tell me also. Thanx.  

Merry X'mas and happy New Year.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.sendmail:3041 comp.mail.mh:1423
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: Differences invoking sendmail or using socket (localhost,SMTP)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:00:59
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Distribution: world
	<MRL.92Dec17092427@sun4.uai.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: mrl@uai.com's message of 17 Dec 92 09:24:27

[mrl]
>I'm reticent to configure N outlying workstations to use SMTP directly
>to our single mail hub, since I don't want to get into the situation
>of losing mail if the hub is busy, hung, or dead.  If I had more than
>one mail hub (what's the non-oxymoronic phrase I want here?), I would
>neither pass GO, nor collect $200 on my way to Postmaster Nirvana
>(TM).  Given the single point of failure, do you still think it's best
>to disable sendmail on all the outlying workstations and have them
>only post directly to the mail hub?  

First, I want to pass on some wisdom that Chris Seiwald gave me some
years ago.  "Reticent" doesn't mean "reluctant"; it means:

  ret.i.cent \-s*nt\ aj [L reticent-, reticens, prp. of retice-re to keep 
     silent,]fr. re- + tace-re to be silent - more at TACIT 1: inclined to be 
     silent or secretive : UNCOMMUNICATIVE 2: restrained in expression, 
     presentation, or appearance - ret.i.cent.ly av

Second, you can solve your single point of failure problem by using
multiple entries in your "server:" line as John Romine suggested.  It would
be wonderous indeed if MH used MX RR's, which would let you set up an MX
called "inet-gw" that lists your internet gateways in order of preference.
But I think it needs those "server:" entries to have A RR's.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Subject: Sendmail rule matching ?
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:05:43 GMT

Hi.

I have a problem a little different to most others here. I need to do MX
delivery to some local domains, sweden,norway etc. and go through a relay 
host for the rest of the mail. I tried rules like this in rule 3 or 13:

R$*<@$*.no>$*           $#TCP $@ $2.no $:$1<@$2.no>$3   user@any.no

and, it doesn't work. I got this line from a guy using a SUN running
Suns sendmail. I am using 5.65-bind1.8-ida which is a nodic one, and
5.67-ida and I don't understand enough to make it work.  
Anybody see what I need to do ?

/Per
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: schinagl@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at (Hermann Schinagl)
Subject: IDA sendmail under Apollo
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:44:16 GMT


Hi !

Has anybody managed to run apollo under IDA sendmail ?

I need the patched sources, or the binary version of 
IDA sendmail, or only some tips

Please email me

Thanks in advance Hermann

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly)
Subject: Re: IDA sendmail 5.65c dumps core with sendmail.fc. Works great without.
Organization: Bruce Lilly
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: lilb@sony.compuserve.com

In article <freyder.724050959@marley> freyder@was.waii.com (Rob Freyder) wrote:
>Greetings.  I have just installed IDA sendmail on a Sun 4.1.2. All seems
>fine as long as I dont build the freeze config .. If I do sendmail -bz 
>and the start sendmail  (sendmail -bd -q30m)  I dumps an 8.5 MB core file
>in /usr/spool/mqueue !!  If I remove the freeze file and restart sendmail
>all is well.  No errors !  ( now that I have finally got my m4 files right)

Did you link statically or with shared libraries?  Linking with
shared libraries (a.k.a. dynamic linking) doesn't work in
conjunction with freeze/thaw on Suns due to Sun's implementation
of shared libraries.

-- 
	Bruce Lilly		blilly!bruce@Broadcast.Sony.COM
					...uunet!sonyusa!sonyd1!blilly!bruce
Xref: sparky comp.mail.sendmail:3042 comp.mail.mh:1424
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.mh
Subject: Re: Differences invoking sendmail or using socket (localhost,SMTP)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:09:29
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Distribution: world
	<1992Dec17.183239.14708@mp.cs.niu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:32:39 GMT

[rickert]
>If MH connects over the network, and your daemon is not accepting
>connections - perhaps the load average is too high, or there is some other
>temporary problem - then there is nothing for MH to connect to.  Instead
>'post' sit in a loop alternately sleeping and retrying.  'post' never
>informs you that this is happening, so if the system is rebooted before
>post manages to get through, you are unlikely to realize that the message
>has not been sent and will never be sent unless manually resend it
>yourself.  However if the message is piped into sendmail it will at least
>be rapidly queued by the local sendmail, and at worst will be automatically
>sent on the next queue run.  You may be correct about the performance
>issue, but surely robustness should count over performance.

Since you can list more than one server in MH's config file, I think the
robustness can be equalled in the configuration I recommended.  I _know_
that it's easier to manage N*100 workstations that don't have a mail queue
or a sendmail.cf than N*100 "minimal sendmail configurations".
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Edgar Kleindinst)
Subject: "you have mail" messages
Reply-To: eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
Organization: NOAA - National Marine Fisheries
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:22:39 GMT


Is there some way, when mail has been read but is kept in the spool file, to not get
a "you have mail" message (unless there are also unread messages in the spool) when
you login?
 
Many people keep read mail in there spool file and are constantly bombarded with these messages. We are running Sun Sparc 2 and 4.1.3 SonOS and are using Elm 2.4 PL13. 

Thanks in advance......

---
         	   	  eklein@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
From: vanderli@orion.fccc.edu (Michel van der List)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: uucp reflector?
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:17:33 GMT
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center

Is there a uucp address that I can use to check if my mail actually reaches
a uucp address, ie. something that reflects the mail right back to me?

Is there a generic way of doing this?

Michel.

--------------------+----------------------------+-----------------------------
Michel van der List |   'Dat typies hollands     | The Fox Chase Cancer Center
vanderlist@fccc.edu |        vingertje'          |      7701 Burholme Avenue
(215) 728-3660      |                            |    Philadelphia, PA  19111
From: marten@ilt.fhg.de (Lutz Marten)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Sender field rewriting
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:07:27 GMT
Organization: FhG-ILT
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marten@ilt.fhg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.44.11.6
Keywords: sender


Hello !
I don't like to change running system but I have to and I'm a sendmail novice.

My first question: 
Where is a syntax and conceptual description available about
the sendmail.cf file ? (e.g. ftp)

Second:
How can I rewrite the sender field from username@EExxxx to user@ilt.fhg.de.
xxxx stands for any token. username for the senders user-id.
I want to force that all outgoing mail from our gateway writes 
user@ilt.fhg.de into the Reply-To: field instead of username@EExxxx.

Third:
My sendmail deletes all path information from the incoming mails, is this a 
flag and if so who can I reset it ? I only get the subject, sender and the 
body, no route information.

ThanX for help !
--
# Lutz Marten,  Postmaster and general dogsbody 
# Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft Institut fuer Lasertechnik 
# BITNET: KQ040MA@DACTH11 , InterNet: marten@ilt.fhg.de                        
# HEPNET: 13533::52714::MARTEN, Phone: +49/241/8906-112, -0

Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.misc
From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
Subject: sendmail doubling mail
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:31:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.sendmail

This may be a problem in just our local implementation, but on the
chance that somebody here has seen this problem...

People getting mail sent to a mailing list will often get a single
piece of mail with the contents repeated twice in concatination.
Both some of the headers and the full body of the message will appear
twice.  Occasionally there will be differences in the header
information.

For example the upper version of the mail will have a header like

    From: dween@mtgzfs3.att.com (Rich Pennenga)

and the lower version will have the header appearing as

    From: mtgzfs3.att.com!dween (Rich Pennenga)

It looks like somewhere there is some header processing going on and
the processed verion gets appended to the beginning of the message
rather than replaceing it altogether.  In the examples I have seen
where headers are different, the more processed version appears in the
upper half of the mail.  Any ideas, anyone?  Have you seen this before
or have some idea how we might have done this to ourselves?

Thanks you.

				Mark Leeper
				...att!mtgzfs3!leeper
				(908)957-5619
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: paulr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Paul Riddle)
Subject: Re: SGI and their sendmail !
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:25:43 GMT

In article <freyder.724397542@marley> freyder@was.waii.com (Rob Freyder) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Sigh.  I just noticed something peculiar about SGI's sendmail.  It doesnt
>like delivering mail to NFS mounted mailboxes.
>
>Our mailhost is a Sun running IDA sendmail.  (Yeah !)  Our sgi boxes mount
>their mail directory from the Sun.  If the Sun does the delivery all is well.
>If the Sgi does local delivery to this NFS mounted directory strange things
>happen.  Like the owner of the file gets changed to the owner ID listed in
>the sendmail.cf file !  The sgis dont necessarily run NIS so I guess the
>potential for Userid mismatch is there.  I checked and the IDs are the same
>on both machines.  Afterall reading/deleting of the mail works fine.
>I dont understand it must they change the owner ?!!!

I have a similar setup here, with the mailhost being a Sun running
IDA and a bunch of SGIs and DECs running as mail slaves.  The problem
is that the SGI expects different permissions in the mail spool than
the Sun.  Specifically, on the Sun, the directory is mode 1777 and the
mailboxes are created 600.  The SGI uses a "mail" group and sets group
write permissions on the spool directory and mailboxes.

If you fix things so that everything including local mail is sent to
the mailhost, it will fix your delivery problems.  But there is one
other gotcha: When the SGI starts up mail, it tries to "fix" the
permissions in the spool directory to conform to what it thinks they
should be.  So, on your SGIs that are mounting the mail spool, you
need to comment out a few lines in /etc/init.d/mail so that it doesn't
try to do anything to /usr/mail.

I did this and things have been running smoothly for several months
now.

>I am in the process of building IDA for these boxes but it just bothers me
>that this doesnt work.  
>
>I would like ALL mail from the SGI to go to the Sun for delivery.
>EVEN local mail.  This would solve the problem.  We use hiding so addresses
>get rewritten as user@domain.  This works great on the suns/RS6000s

If you're running Irix 4.0.5, you already have IDA sendmail.  All you
should have to do is build a cf file from Sendmail.mc in the IDA
distribution, and define MAILHOST in your M4 file.  If you'd rather
hack on SGI's sendmail.cf, you can replace calls to the "local" mailer
with appropriate calls to the "ether" mailer.  For example,

R@		$#local$:$n

becomes

R@		$#ether$@$F$:$n

Where the F macro is the name of your mail server.

		Paul
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.sendmail:2978 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:796
From: smooge@nmt.edu (the Smooge)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Request for help with Sendmail and LynxOS
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:54:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Dec11.225423.6637
Organization: New Mexico Tech

In article <id.8SOV.9O2@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec3.233337.11318@nmt.edu> smooge@nmt.edu (the Smooge) writes:
>> Hello, I am a new (focus on the word new) system administrator to a
>
>You haven't listed your communication environment (TCP/IP, SLIP, UUCP,
>sneakernet, ...:->), but I've found that you can put together a fast, small,
>easily debugged mail environment using smail 2.5, deliver, and elm.
>
>Anything to avoid sendmail.rc!
>-- 
>Peter da Silva/77487-5012 USA/+1 713 274 5180/Have you hugged your wolf today?

Oops. I am using a version of Berkeley TCP/IP. I have heard that the 
sendmail.rc is a true b**ch. However I am having the base problem
that my make (gnumake) has no clue as to how sendmail's Makefile's
are set up. Which make is used to compile sendmail.

(Or in the case of Peter da Silva... where do I get the mail enviroments,
and are they compiled by gnumake?)

thanks for your help
Ebenezer Smooge
From: eychenne@helios.DVS-Hannover.de (Didier Eychenne)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: installation of mail between an INIX wkstat. and an UNIX network
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:50:48 GMT
Organization: DVS-Hannover,Germany

Hello,

I'm trying to install mail between an INIX workstation (hostname iris) and
an UNIX network with a forwarder host (hostname helios).

The problem is that I can't send mail from iris to helios, but it works from
helios to iris.       -----------------------------------

When i send a mail from iris to helios, I become the following reply from
MAILER-DEAMON:

550 helios.ether... 550 Host unknown
554 eychenne@helios... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from name server)

The iris's sendmail.cf file seems to be right..

DDDVS-Hannover.de
CDDVS-Hannover.de
DFhelios.DVS-Hannover.de
CFhelios.DVS-Hannover.de helios
DTDVS-Hannover.de

I edited it for a single domain (DVS-Hannover.de)


I hope somebody can help me. If you want more details, just e-mail.

Reply by e_mail PLEASE....


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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Tracking down looping addresses
Date: 18 Dec 1992 06:30:38 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Especially today I've been getting a lot of those messages (rats - now
I can't remember the exact wording, but the kind you get when there is
a forwarding loop and after too many hops it quits)  saying
"from , to (null)"  I can see from the log sorta where they are coming
from, but is there a way to find out what they are addressed to, or
why this has started happening?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: gdonl@sunrise.ssi1.com (Don Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: sendmail name canonicalization problems
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:46:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Systems, Nevada City CA

I'm trying to configure our mail system so that mail addresses are of
the form user@site.ssi1.com.  I also want users to just be able to
send mail to user@site and have sendmail take care of the canonicalization.
I want to implement this by creating MX DNS records for each site pointing
to the appropriate mail servers.  I'm using sendmail-5.65c+IDA-1.4.4.1 and
have run into the following problems.

  * sendmail does not canonicalize the host name at all if it only has
    an MX record unless I define NO_WILDCARD_MX when building sendmail

This isn't too much of a problem since there will never be any wildcard
MX records in the ssi1.com domain.

  * sendmail will not canonicalize the host name if it doesn't have
    any A records, and its most preferred MX record points to the
    local host

This would be fixable in sendmail, but it would not work with the supplied
Sendmail.mc.  The problem is that the logic in ruleset 26 of the supplied
Sendmail.mc that decides which mailer to use depends on this behaviour.
This ruleset wants $[ $] to fail if the the preferred MX points to the
local host in order to force sendmail to choose something other than the
TCP mailer.

A related bug which doesn't affect me, but is even nastier:

  * sendmail will not canonicalize a CNAME which points to a name whose
    preferred MX points to the local host

With the present software, I see two possible solutions.  The first
is to use the DOMAINTABLE feature in the Sendmail.mc, but I really
don't want to have to maintain extra database files on upteen
hosts at a half dozen sites spread halfway around the world.  I really
want a more distributed solution.  The second solution would be to
define A records pointing to the mail hosts for each site.  This
solution has the disadvantage of breaking the strict one to one mapping
of A and PTR records in our DNS database.

And while we are on the subject of name canonicalization:

  * sendmail doesn't gracefully handle name server timeouts when
    canonicalizing names

I found a version of 5.61+IDA by Dan Oscarsson on lth.se a while back
that handles name server timeouts, but the necessary changes are pretty
extensive.
-- 
Don "Truck" Lewis              Phone: +1 916 478-8284   Silicon Systems
Internet: gdonl@ssi1.com       FAX:   +1 916 478-8290   138 New Mohawk Road
UUCP: {uunet,tektronix!gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com}!ssigv!gdonl  Nevada City, CA  95959
Newsgroups: comp.mail,aus.mail