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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Clipart (was Re: Geoworks support)
Keywords: Clipart, free or otherwise.
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:48:44 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

ddryan@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Diana Diehl-Dryan) writes:

>For my time and trouble (and $$$ online) they sent me complimentary copies of
>their clipart and font packages - business, newsletter, and funfonts.  
>...I am the first to agree the free art put me squarely in their corner!

Hmmm... Geos has worked perfectly 99.9% of the time on my system, although I
was one of the first few c.o.m.p-ers to find the VT100 resize-scroll-window
deathrap... So I don't get any free clip art.  Pout, pout. ;)

Oh, hey... if I ever manage to upload _to_ the net [hasn't worked yet] I will
try to upload some of the clip-art I've made for GEOS.  drawing-style images
[PIC, MAC, IFF, GIF, etc] can be converted into some nice clip-art.  Thus far
I have only managed to put together a page of.. er.. bondage images.  [All
female, sorry, there are few coed bondage drawing images.]

-Shag
:
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     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: BYTE mentions Pen/GEOS in pen-computing article
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:08:39 GMT

I just saw this in the September '92 issue of BYTE magazine in an
article called "The Outlook for Pen Computing".  It was mostly about
Pen Windows and PenDOS, but this part was about Pen/GEOS.  Reprinted
without permission.

"To make things more interesting, GeoWorks (Berkeley, CA) has announced
a version of its PC/GEOS graphical operating environment for pen-based
systems, called Pen/GEOS.  Pen/GEOS is targeted toward 8086- and
V20-based systems and provides a GUI.  Jeff Hawkins, a former Grid
vice president, founded Palm Systems (Menlo Park, CA) to develop
handwriting-recognition software and other applications for Pen/GEOS.
Pen/GEOS should start appearing on systems like the PoqetPad by early
next year.

"Tandy (Fort Worth, TX) and Casio Computer (Tokyo, Japan) recently
announced that they are jointly developing a family of pen-based
'personal information processors.'  GeoWorks and Palm Computing are
providing the operating system and handwriting-recognition software,
respectively.  Tanky would give no introduction date as of this
writing, however.

"Hawkins, who developed the handwriting-recognition engine used on the
GridPad, says that Pen/GEOS will be 'a key part of the palmtop
market.'  He's impressed with the truly object-oriented environment of
Pen/GEOS and its ability to support multitasking.  Hawkins says he can
run several applications simultaneously on an 8088 with 512KB.

"In the near term, systems like the GridPad will be very attractive to
users who need to get a basic job done.  You can expect to see
hand-held devices sporting the Pen/GEOS interface next year, according
to Hawkins.  Chips & Technologies, a Santa Clara chip vendor, joined
GeoWorks at the introduction of Pen/GEOS, promoting its single-chip PC
architecture as an ideal match for Pen/GEOS.  Chips & Technologies
plans to sell this strategy to OEMs."
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: pcgoes in pcmag
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Note: This thread is based on the September 15, 1992 (Vol. 11, #15) issue
of PC Magazine...


In article <78241@ut-emx.uucp> teddy@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Teddy Iglehart [Ted E. Bear]) writes:
>GeoWorks is being attacked again in PCMag.  They
>had a competition between integrated packages and
>said Goes wasn't allowed because it didn't have
>a database.

I found their reasoning to be quite valid.  They gave their definition of
what "Integrated Software Package" meant to them and a lot of people.  I
think they were generous to consider Quattro Pro SE as the PC/GEOS
spreadsheet even though it's a DOS application.  It was nice that
they did give GeoWorks Pro a full page mini-review.

I do however take note of the magazine's increasingly pro-Microsoft party
line when it comes to the conculusions that they draw from their
testing/evaluation/etc.  Oh well...

>They then turned around and punched
>it for no SDK when comparing to windows.

I think that that's reasonable.  In looking at PC/GEOS as a just platform
it's perfectly justifiable to demand development tools.  If their looking
at GeoWorks Ensemble/Pro as an Integrated Software Package then (of course)
it's patently silly.  :-)

Sigh,
	John "But they aren't ignoring GeoWorks" Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	These are my words.  Make up your own.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Files uploaded to SIMTEL20 and GEOS FTP site
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:23:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

I uploaded three files to the SIMTEL20 incoming area and to /inbasket
at mir.eco.utexas.edu last night.  They should be available for FTP
from SIMTEL20 and the mirror sites in a few days - I don't know how
long it takes to get them processed.  That will also make them 
available via email for those of you without FTP access.  Please don't
swamp the utexas site and jeopardize it's availability; hours are
6PM to 8AM Central Time, but be nice and try to stay away from the
boundary hours.

Perhaps some other AOL users, maybe even some who can access AOL
with a local phone call (hint, hint) can contribute some other files
they have picked up.

ICONMK10.ZIP    Convert .PCX and Win3 .ICO files to GEOS icons

IconMake version 1.0 allows you to convert existing .PCX files
and Windows icon .ICO files to PC/Geos icons.  This gives GEOS
users access to a huge amount of pre-existing graphics for their
icons.  From Marcus Groeber in Germany.

ICNEE04B.ZIP    Icon Editor v0.4beta for PC/GEOS icons

IconEditor version 0.4 beta allows you to create new icons for
GEOS apps & file types, modify existing icons and even grab
icons out of existing applications for your own use.  From
Thomas Wachmann in Germany.

L_MAKR12.ZIP    L_Maker v1.2 makes DOS app launchers for GEOS

Version 1.2 of Launcher Maker allows PC/Geos users to create
DOS application launchers.  These allow access to your DOS
applications without shutting down your advanced workspace and
going to the DOS room.  From Steven Foster in the USA.

Greg
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  INTERNET: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com
From: hardtwst@cs.montana.edu (Tony Ackerman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Yay!  I got the "goodies" disk from Rudi!
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:02:37 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1992Aug26.132044.24428@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> doug-taylor+@osu.edu writes:
>I got the disk from Rudi containing the German GeoWorks tools today.

 {Packing list deleted...}

>I think we owe Rudi a round of thanks for mailing this package at his
>own expense.  (How much does it cost to send a 3-1/2" disk from
>Cologne (Koln) to Columbus, anyway? :-)
>
>-- 
>   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
>   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
>   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles

Here, here!!! Thank you Rudi for sending and thank you Doug for uploading to
an FTP site!!!

Oh boy, it's just like Christmas ain't it!!!

Tony Ackerman
hardtwst@fubar.cs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Subject: Launchmaker explanation requested
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 15:53:15 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

So, I downloaded Launchmaker (four programs).  I unzipped it.  I
didn't see any documentation that said, as Doug Taylor indicated,
that some files go hither and some go thither.  I put them all
into d:\Geoworks\World.  I launched the DOS program launchmaker.exe
in the GeoManager window for d:\Geoworks\World.  I follwed the
instructions to set it up to run WordStar.  I picked an "icon
number" out of the blue (see below) since I have no idea what an
icon number is or how it relates to an icon.  

Sure enough, A blue rectangle appeared in the Geoworks GeoManager
window (i.e., for d:\Geoworks).  At least it was a pretty blue.

I double-clicked on the icon.

My PC rebooted.

What now?

Jeff


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Lauchmaker icon question
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:50:10 GMT

<WARNING: This may be a stupid question :>
 
When using Launchmaker you re asked for an icon number and a 
four letter identifier -- what are these? When making a 
Launcher for TELEMATE, I used 1 for the icon number (just made 
it up) and TELE for the letters.  What I got as an icon was a 
blue boxwith "icon not found" written in it.
 
I'd like to use the "touch tone" telephone icon in the DS 
PROGRAMS door.  Is there a list a numbers for this DOS icons 
or something?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Launchmaker/Zmodem problem
Keywords: ker...thud.
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:52:37 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

A little while ago, I stuck Zmodem on my system, as per the instructions on 
the FTP site.  Things worked nicely, and I've been a happy camper with it.

Today, I snagged the Launchmaker program.  I used it to make a launcher as
follows:

dos name: zmodem_d
geos name: Zmodem
path: \zdload\zdload.bat
icon: modm [one I made], #254

zdload.bat contains:
@echo off
C:\ZDLOAD\DSZ.COM speed 9600 pB8192 rz -rr

each file is where the other files think it is.

When I start the launcher, either by double-clicking or by bringing it up on
the express-menu, GEOS shuts down according to plan [almost all the time], 
then the system locks up. [every time.]

Anyone have any ideas?

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: ateague@alsvid.une.edu.au (Adam Teague)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Geoworks over a Network
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:51:16 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

I am posting this message on the behalf of Brendan, as I am a regular
reader of this group.  (And a satisfied PC/Geos user)


> I have currently purchaced a copy of Geoworks Pro for my office and I was
> wondering if Geoworks can be used over a network using only one copy??
>
> I am currently using Lantastic NOS v4.0.  It works ok with one terminal,
> but I wish to use one copy for all terminals is this possible??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> 		Brendan Lambourne.
>
> e-mail:  blambour@alsvid.une.edu.au	OR 	blambour@elli.une.edu.au

Cheerz,
			Adam
-- 
Adam Teague                                 | "What the hell does      |
  B App Sci Computing  (UNE,NR)             | astronaught mean anyway? |
    -> ateague@alsvid.une.edu.au <-         |  ... Star Voyager"       |
From: ddryan@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Diana Diehl-Dryan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks support
Keywords: Geoworks, online support
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:18:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsa.1992Aug30.031853.19245
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: ddryan@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu

Just my two cents worth, but I have had nothing but good experiences with
the technical support from Berkeley.  I had problems getting my system to run
without constant crashes and reps worked a long time trying to help me figure
out the problem.  After weeks of errors and problems, I finally gave in and
upgraded the ROM chips on my Zenith 286.  (Apparently, they made the machine
crash with Windows, too -- but I tossed Windows in favor of Geos).  I spent a 
lot of time on AOL and long distance to a friend before it was through.  
Throughout the entire ordeal, the folks at GeoWorks were courteous and atten-
tive.  They answered all my questions promptly and never left me hanging.

For my time and trouble (and $$$ online) they sent me complimentary copies of
their clipart and font packages - business, newsletter, and funfonts.  I did
not scream or complain, and they were completely cordial and apologetic that
their program would not run on my old system.   Quite the opposite of the
story related by the person who posted the OS2 problem.  I couldn't have been
happier.  Unless of course, it had run first time with no bugs!

Anyway, thought some folks considering using geos might want to hear another
side.  BTW, I have no association with anyone at Berkeley, but I am the first
to agree the free art put me squarely in their corner!

Diana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:17:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: note_in_a_bottle
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > Our friend from Germany, Rudi Ferrarri, has mailed me a disk with some
                                 ^^^^^^^^
         ----> attention...      Ferrari   (I suppose it was just a mistake,
                                            but for sure, I correct, other-
                                            wise there could be an E-Mail
                                            problem...)

 > "goodies" on it.  I haven't received it yet, but when I do I'll test
 > them and upload them ASAP.

They must arrive soon now, they are alomost 20 days "on the air"...
f*cking snail. We really should test if uuen/decode will work.
(I have the tools of MKS Toolkit, which are Posix Standard, and I should
have them on Coherent 4.0)

bye

      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
~~~~~

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From: davev@bnr.ca (David Villeneuve)
Subject: Re: Problem with PRO/DRDOS/STACKER HELP!!!
Reply-To: davev@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:51:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.131619.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
|> 
|> I just recieved my copy of DRDOS 6.0 -- I had previously been 
|> using MS-DOS 5.0 with STACKER 2.0.  In order to make a fresh 
|> start, I ormated my hard drive (C: 44meg).
|>  
|> I then installed DR DOS 6 and GeoWorks PRO.  When I run PR I 
|> get a message that something is "not found on Drive D:?" 
|> "Abort, Retry or Fail".  When I type <f>ail, PRO boots normally.
|>  ... stuff deleted ...

   A very common problem.  You must make sure that your C drive
   and your D drive have DIFFERENT volume names. 

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Dave Villeneuve, davev@bnr.ca   | Mail daemon wa canada ni arimasu. 
Bell-Northern Research, JAPAN   | Boku wa nippon ni imasu yo.
My opinions are my own, though please don't quote me on that.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: oml1@ra.msstate.edu (Owen LaGarde)
Subject: Re: Launchmaker problems... solved.
Keywords: Works, now. :)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:57:54 GMT



     A few thoughts on L_Maker ... when GW starts up, it appears to (among
other things) look for x:\geoworks\system\token.db and display all icons 
(excluding the default listings in the .ini file) according to the token.db
index.  If the specified icon name isn't there, you get a standard 'icon not
found', yes?  That's why you can edit an existing icon and not see the new 
version until the old token file is erased and rebuilt, and also why l_maker
won't find the icon you specify unless it's in the current token.db or the 
image file is in the same directory as the l_maker.exe.  So if GW is already
doing all the work of tracking and recording icon images, why not have an
icon editor that pages through the current token.db and gives you the options
of editing, deleting, and transfering (both to and from external files would
be nice) then images there?  Mabey I'm a little backwards, but forcing the
OS to use your edited work by deleting a primary tracking file sounds more
like a sub-plot to "Catch-22".     

   Needless to say, I would be happy to cook something together myself if
supplied with the formats and specs for \geoworks\world\*.geo, token.db,
and whatever is accepted as standard for the icon bitmap files, if any. 
Yes, this info is probably on page 3 of the docs, and no, I havn't bothered
to read them.
 
   I even pledge to trip over my shoelaces and take a nap in your honor if
you mail helpfull hints to lagarde@walt.cs.msstate.edu. 
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From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: Re: patch for os/2 fails
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.004656.28140@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.220618.18208@ennews.eas.asu.edu> ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson) writes:
> >Just got off the phone with pcgeos tech support, and they want nothing to do
> >with helping with this, so here goes:
> 
> GeoWorks did *NOT* write that patch kit.  So why (and more importantly how)
> should they be held responsible for making it work?
> 

My reasoning is simple: I need geos to run under os/2.  what more reason do 
they need?  Not good enough?  Someone has come up with a two line patch that
will allow certain versions of geos to run under os/2.  What does the 
patch do, and why isn't geos interested in finding out?  I just want to know
why geos won't run under os/2.  The answer from tech support was most 
enlightening: 'it wasn't designed for that'.  Well no kidding.  geos runs on
8088 boxes; why won't it run in a vdm?
 
> 
> Please explain your reasoning.  The only thing that I would consider as
> 

My experiences with geos tech support have always been marred by an attitude
of the type 'everything that is wrong is out of our control' ; today the 
guy I talked to wasn't the least bit interested in finding out what the 
patch does, or in helping me get my work done.  I was told that v 2.0 will
run under os/2; when I asked when that would be released, I was told it
'wasn't announced yet'.  I need help now with this problem; if the folks at 
geos aren't that interested in my business, so be it.  I'll find an app that
will work under os/2.  It's just plain bad business to tell your customers
(of two years standing, or so , 1.1) to get lost, we're not interested in your
problem.  AND(!), what kind of banker's hours are 9-3, anyway ;-) only half-
smiley, there.  It took me _several_ tries before I got through.

I understand the mechanics of patching, but I don't know what in kernel.exe
is getting patched.  The error I get in execution is 'cannot run kernel
from a write-protected disk'.  My wild guess is that it doesn't like hpfs;
I'd love to know _what_ the problem is.  Anyone (like the author ;-) who
can help me with this, AtDhVaAnNkCsE.

Eric
'
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Mythical Man Month
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:54:00 GMT
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG*
X-Comment-To: chad@visix.com (Chad K. Bisk)


 > The Mythical Man-Month
 > Frederick P. Brooks, Jr.
 > ISBN 0-201-00650-2

Thanx for the information. :-)
      ____
Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
~~~~~

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Subject: Re: SDK & Pixel edit
From: tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:09:21 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Kirk writes:

>May I ask a silly question?

Only truly silly question is the one not asked.

>What is SDK? I see it mentioned here a lot.

It's an acronym for Software Developer's Kit, though in this case, it
may be better off standing for Some Day Kid, in light of the delays heaped
upon delays shipping it. An SDK is needed to give the requisite libraries
and data and anything else I've forgotten needed to write programs for a
specific (graphical, usually) enviroment.


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From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: Re: patch for os/2 fails
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:55:16 GMT

[much stuff deleted, good riddance]

> 
> Your original posting certainly came across as pointing a big finger to
> GeoWorks rather than merely asking why (technically) the two products don't
> get along with each other to well.  As someone else has already stated, did
> you think to go complain to the designers (and implementors) of OS/2 that

The big finger was pointed at geos tech support for being incorrigable.  
The post you refer to was a _flame_ at me, which I responded to directly.
FYI, I did try to contact ibm on this, and played phone tag with them (please
refer to my passing remark in the original post).  What is so hilarious is
what people have commented on; not the original question, but my (legitimate)
complaint about geos tech support. 

> Since this is an imperfect world, instead of just complaining to one group
> or the other and blaming them for all of the problems...  It's important to
> (politely :-) pester both (all) parties involved that you would like to be
> able to do such and so.  You see, in this industry, it's much easier to get
> really neat/cool/difficult/etc. things done if many people agree to work
> together to get it done rather than demanding that one poor group must
> perform miracles.  :-)

jeez, are we reading the same posts?  What do you _know_ about what other 
action I've taken on this?  Because I didn't bore you with a blow by blow
of everything I've tried, you lecture me about software development, the
industry, etc.  Why don't _you_ climb down off of your high horse?  I'm
sure the view is great, but come on...

> [...]
> >I made no such request.  I can aftp _beta_ comm drivers (among many others)
> >for os/2 and apply them myself.  I don't _need_ an interim version, I need
> >an appropriate two line patch!
> 
> You're trying to equate apple's to orange's I'm afraid.  GeoWorks too has
> provided updated/fixed/whatever printer and video drivers to it's user
> through AOL.  The crux is that an operating system kernel is a very
> different beasty then a handful of device drivers.

ibm has provided, via aftp, updated kernel and dlls for people who need the
fixes _yesterday_, not at some indefinate, un-announced time in the future.

> As I tried to say in my previous article, the technical hurdles have been
> overcome and 'the fix' is part of PC/GEOS v2.  Also, for the same reasons
> that I wrote regarding a potential plethora of versions, releasing binary
> patches only makes things even worse.  GeoWorks would end up trying to
> support eight gadzillion different micro/patch versions and wouldn't ever
> be able to get any real work done.

Boy, eight gadzillion _is_ a lot.  You're right, let's just forget I brought
this up.  geos is a perfect product, with perfect tech support.  Only problem:
only perfect people are allowed to use it (or ask questions)....

A chastened, but non-geos user,

Eric

ps.  dual-boot is only an option for fat partitions (which I don't have)
     but you knew that already, right?