HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Subject: Re: e: Nightcrawler and Excalibur #63
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:08:34 GMT

In article <16B63132ED.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
> 
>Regarding the Warpies ...
> 
>The birth of Warpies was a consequence of the Jaspers Warp which
>ended after Linda McQuillan (Captain UK) left our Earth for Sat-yr-9's
>Earth.  It is *possible* that with the destruction of the energy matrix,
>they are beginning to revert to human form, and the "disease" is a sham
>of the RCX.  There are other possibilities.
> 
>I am not sure that the Warpies can be correctly termed mutants, as
>their powers seem to express themselves differently.  For example, *no*
>warpies have a normal human appearance.  Comments?
> 

   After the Jasper Warp, Children were being born as Warpie, therefore 
 Mutants whose parents were affected by the Jasper Warp.

   some do Appear human, the Shrew, Lodestone, Cyinide (?), Giggle (though a
  Bit Skinny).  Maybe the Jasper Warp took each to the Extreme end of their
  Mutation, such as the Beast.  Many just have Different Colored Skin, Large
  Claws, or are Just Large (Oak).

					Jorge




Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: orpheus@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Grant Jeffrey Barrus)
Subject: POSSIBLE PSYLOCKE RESOLUTION
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:13:31 GMT

Okay folks, here's the deal:

I've been reading the X-Books since issue 200. Since then I've read almost  
every issue that Claremont's written, and there's been a ton of problems  
with Nicieza and Lobdell maintaing continuity with Claremont and  
Simonson's stuff (both on X-Men, X-Factor, and New Mutants). 

However, despite thought balloons, there's no real inconsistancy with what  
Fabian's written and what Claremont intended. 
	First off, in the issue in which Betsy transformed, we did not  
actually see her old body become asian. In fact, most of the issue was a  
dream. which could have happened anywhere. 

	My proposal: In recent issues of X-Men, we've seen this purple  
haired woman running around the streets of Tokyo, beating people up and  
causing problems. Perhaps what we saw in the "transformation" issue, was  
the brainwashing of the real Betsy Braddock and the transference of her  
powers and memories to the asian woman currently using her name and  
identity. That would explain why Betsy would no longer have her abilities,  
and have to fight hand to hand rather than telepathically.

	The so-called "Psylocke" is a Hand plant, sent to destroy the  
X-Men. Though the team itself has rarely had contact with the Hand, Wolvie  
has fought them before and earned their hatred (making his maiming  
by--perhaps--them in #25 inevitable). Betsy (the real one) knows of this  
and intends to warn the team. Or maybe she seeks revenge on them  
(especially Wolverine) for abandoning her to the Hand and taking a  
stranger in her stead. 

	The energy that killed Jean Grey looks quite similar to Psylocke's  
"psychic knife." And long time readers should know that Psylocke never  
manifested the knife before--not even in Captian Britain where she first  
appeared.

	Keep in mind, folks that Psylocke is the only logical traitor.  
Gambit is too obvious. This is the only viable hypothesis.

	If I'm wrong, and it turns out to be someone else, feel free to  
flame me. 

	Grant Jeffrey Barrus
From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: bishop
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:39 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

when does it state that bishop can't hold the energy for a long period of
time.

		seth I 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: c60c-2mk@web-1h.berkeley.edu ()
Subject: Re: Psylocke is BABE #1
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:17:00 GMT

In article <1jpssiINNdfs@male.EBay.Sun.COM> laker@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Brian McInerney) writes:
>
>	This might be the wrong newsgroup for this but that       
>	Hells Angel book that has had Psylocke guest star in:
>
>	has the most el stinko crapolla art I've seen in a while!
>	What a load of crap! Good thing I looked on the inside first!
>
>
>	Brian <The Mac>
>
>
>	

	It is in my opinion that most of the Marvel U.K.'s comics suck, I
mean REALLY suck, and the last two issues of Hell's Angel has been the worst
I've seen.  My five year old nephew can draw better than that.

							J.T.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Subject: Re: raza
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:14:39 GMT

In article <LAC.93Jan21152612@wren.mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> lac@mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Lloyd Chalfant) writes:
>
>>>i would like info on all  raza's appearances
>
>> Off-Hand (without looking anything up), he has a son Roin? who was a
>> Slave for the Shi'ar empire, currently alive unknown?  but he did have a 
>> brother who worked for Deathbird (had super powers, forgot them but I'm 
>> shure someone else knowns).  He was killed by Binary, and he was bad, he
>> wanted to kill his Brother. He appeared in the same issue with Deathbird's
>> twin children, something like Blacklight and Whiteout.  
>
>Where did all of the above happen?  None of it sounds familiar?  It wasn't
>in that horrible X-men Spotlight, was it?
>

    The part about his son Roin was in the Avengers, just before Raza nearly
  killed the Black Knight.

    With the Brother I don't remember offhand, I don't remember issue names,
  but the Starjammers were fighting Deathbird's Elite Shi'ar Force and Binary
  killed the member who was his Brother.  I try to look it up but I'm sure
  someone here knows it ,or at lease around what issues.  I presume it was
  the X-Men, Uncanny not Spotlight (but I could be wrong).

    If no one else Answers, then I will post it.


							Jorge
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men Intrigue
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:30:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.223025.19794
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


I may be a tad bit late on this (forgive me, I haven't checked my account
for a while), BUT...

How many of you think Scott is eventually going to dump Jean for Betsy?
I mean, the woman has it coming, for all the mess she's put Cyclops
through.  Hasn't Cyclops learned by now that REDHEADS ARE BAD NEWS?  (Not
a generalization to all redheads in general -- just those featured in the
X-books).  Besides, someone like Psylocke is definitely too good to pass
up.  I think the man deserves a break, as well as a little purple-haired
babe ninja BOO-TAY!  Yep, I think Cyke should stop being an ass and go for
it.  Then Psylocke could give Jean the once-over in a TP cat fight, with
Jean's last words being "Stay away from my man!" as Betsy's psychic knife
drills her cerebrum.  Psylocke may not have TK abilities like Jean, but all
she has to do is block Jean's access to them telepathically while she kicks
her ass!

And then Jean, once humiliated and dumped, could run off with Wolvie, just
like both of them fantasized about several times anyhow.

But without Jean, we can't have the inevitable X-Traitor subplot, since she's
the one who appears on the recording that Bishop saw, so the writers would
have no choice but to keep her around... (sigh)

Seriously, though -- I'm definitely in favor of Scott doin' the nasty with
Betts!  (Man, what I wouldn't give to be in his shoes...)

And I have to agree -- Psylocke _IS_ Babe #1!!!


Peace,

R ^ 3

***************************************************************************
"Gimme a break, will ya?  It's 92 degrees out and my costume's riding up!"
-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

"I should be grateful.  If I were duplicating a spider 100%, I'd be eating
flies and shooting webbing out my buttocks."
-- Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099 #4
***************************************************************************
From: nieboer@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Stinky Wizzleteats)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Oh, God I'm sorry to do this...
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:24:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Just to kill all discussion on this damned topic (and yes, I know I
was once one of the worst offenders) I will happily predict that no
resolution of the traitor plot will come until late 1995. After all,
we're only just getting to a point where Days Of Future Past can 
occur....and that plot was introduced in #141, nearly 13 years ago.
13 years with one writer. It'll never happen people...(of course,
now it will, just to spite me....=)

-- 
"A head-on collision is set for the start of the Shitsu-Tonka Sex Law
 Reform Forum. Women Against Intercourse request the age of consent to 
 be the 1800's, the pedophiles want it abolished, and the necrophiliacs
 demand a user-pays system and turnstiles at cemetaries." DAAS
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:48:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <74261@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Didn't read "Night Thrasher LS," so I didn't know Fabe had done it...but I
>wish I *had* known, because I had to fight tooth-and-nail with both Kelly
>Corvese and Bob Harras over the notion of Alex buying the guy off.  They
>both said it was unethical.  They wanted to have Alex pay off Random, lure
>him out into the parking lot, then beat him up and take the check back.
>My response was, "How in hell is *that* *MORE* ethical?  That makes him a 
>thug!"  So they let me do it.  If I'd known that Fabian did a similar riff,
>I could have just said, "See?  There's precedent for it."
>
>PAD


I've got a question for you PAD, concerning the comics code.  I remember a
while back someone posted something about the code, and I emailed him for
more info, but all he could tell me was that it was really a convention made
up during the "crisis for comics" (like it says in the BIG Marvel book) when
whatshisname wrote _Seduction of the Innocent_.  What this guy told me was that
it basically said that heroes could never do anything unethical, and villains
had to always get it in the end, to make sure that crime did not pay.

Anyhow, my question is:  Does the comics code still exist in any tangible form
in the comics industry?  Can people actually pull it off of dusty old shelves
and censor our reading with it?  It would really seem strange if it was still
around with the advent of "mature titles" now.

Thanks in advance for any info

Mike C. (Zen)

-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
From: chrismg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (christian gadeken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:44:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cc.utexas.edu

Re:Evil duplicate comment:

It was Guido, who needs to learn that you NEVER, NEVER joke about
evil twins in a mutant book.

-- 
			C h r i s t i a n  G a d e k e n

Yakumo: "But I really did destroy a monster in Hong Kong!
Saru  : "Ahem, ahem"
Yakumo: "Saru, do you believe me?"
Saru  : "Where's my Hong Kong souvenir?"
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:40:00 -0500 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
	<16B609673.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

> 
>Or perhaps it's a symptom of the disease that's killing the Warpies,
>although I thought that was more a genetic destabilization than a
>corporeal one.
> 
>-- mason
 
hogwash.  The disease "killing the Warpies" is not legit. There's
something fishy going on that I'm sure we'll find out more about in the
next issue.
--mike
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Highlords answer
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:22:08 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond


    Someone asked for the list of known Highlords.

	Gideon, Saul, Nichodemus (Old Man with White Hair), Burke, Absalom,
    Krule (and the nmany spellings of his name).  Supposely Apocalypes,  and
    now Cannonball.


	P.S. in a New Mutant Future visit issue, Sunspot and Magma may have
    been Highlords, they seemed pretty young while Katie Power was an Old Lady,
    but of cause Katie may have just aged quickly.

						Jorge
From: djh4535@summa.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: mutant dtectors
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:05 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: summa.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

i think the detectors detect the higher brain activity of mutants
this would lead one to beleive it would detect mutates to though
as well as any exceptionally mentally talented person (i mean s-genius)
*maybe*
i forget so answer this how did x-factor (back in the wash-up x-men days)
*when it included the ancient x-men*
find spider-man when the evil editor sent them after him?

		seth I
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Subject: Re: raza
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:49:55 GMT

In article <21JAN199303015590@zeus.tamu.edu> djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes:
>i would like info on all  raza's appearances
>what are is powers? (i know he's a cy-borg is there any beyond that)
>has his cy-borg parts exibited anything but stregth?
>all info on his family is really wanted.
>i find him very interesting and underused.
>
>
     Off-Hand (without looking anything up), he has a son Roin? who was a
  Slave for the Shi'ar empire, currently alive unknown?  but he did have a 
  brother who worked for Deathbird (had super powers, forgot them but I'm 
  shure someone else knowns).  He was killed by Binary, and he was bad, he
  wanted to kill his Brother. He appeared in the same issue with Deathbird's
  twin children, something like Blacklight and Whiteout.  


						Jorge
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Traitor
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:05:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.220548.19791
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I know that this X-Traitor thing has gotten carried away somewhat, BUT...

Does anyone know of the rumor spoken of in some issue of Wizard magazine
that some former X-villain is going to join the X-Men, and that the writers
might possibly make him or her the traitor as a way out of incriminating
current popular characters (such as Gambit, whom I understand was originally
slated to be the X-Traitor until Lobdell et co. wimped away from that
possibility)?  (A WAAAAAY lame cop-out, if you ask me...)

Just curious...

Peace,

R ^ 3

***************************************************************************
"Gimme a break, will ya?  It's 92 degrees out and my costume's riding up!"
-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

"I should be grateful.  If I were duplicating a spider 100%, I'd be eating
flies and shooting webbing out my buttocks."
-- Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099 #4
***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Flaming the Traitor Thread
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:45:17 GMT

WAYS OF KILLING A SUBPLOT:
DOOM #1
Immortus looks down from on high in his castle in Limbo. He stares into
his time-viewing-orb, and sees the doom of the X-Men. He watches
impassively as the traitor stalks down Jean Grey, who is trying to
frantically contact anybody to help her.
He scowls, and mentally commands the orb to step backward in time. Images
flash by of the X-Men, happy, sad, fighting, resting, loving. Then, he
stops. The X-Men are gathered at a meeting. Professor Xavier is giving a
briefing. Immortus opens a time-portal, and steps through. He smirks
inside at the looks of astonishment as he materializes next to Professor
Xavier. He pulls a small device from his belt, aims at the traitor, and
presses a button, The traitor screams as the full onset of a million years
of aging descends within a second, and nothing is left save ashes.
"Although you may not understand my actions this day, know this: I have
caused you grief today only to spare you from anguish tomorrow." He
dematerializes.

DOOM #2
He stops and checks his watch. He loads the rifle, and sights his target
in. Through the scope, he sees the man smiling and waving as his motorcade
drives by. The gunman tenses, and pulls the trigger. BAM! He pumps the
lever, and fires again. BAM! The victim jerks forward. The gunman fires
again BAM! The target slumps backward, and the security finally reacts.
The assassin wipes the prints from the rifle, hides it behind some crates,
and races down the stairs.
The assassin does not realize what the full repercussions of his act will
be. All he knows is that Bob Harris will not be allowed to wreak any
further havoc.

DOOM #3
The traitor lags behind, as the X-Men return home from another mission.
The traitor is silent, as most of the others are in long, angst-filled
soliliquies. As the X-Men enter the mansion, the traitor prepares to act.
But before the traitor can betray Xavier's dream, a shadow falls over the
mansion. Helpless, the X-Men watch as Galactus' world-eating machine
anchors itself to the planet, a large support strut the size of Rhode
Island punching through the Earth's crust where Westchester, New York used
to be.

...sorry. Every time the traitor plot surfaces, I see red. (stupid,
Stupid, STUPID !@#$$#@%ing subplot that should never have been born!)

Now back to your regularly scheduled newsgroup.

Jay (=
--
   John W. "Jay" Elmore Jr. (=            Email: johnel@linfield.edu
  "Doctor Banner, I presume." -- Maestro to the Hulk, FUTURE IMPERFECT #1
  "Doctor Banner, I presume." -- Hulk to the Maestro, FUTURE IMPERFECT #1
                        ###KEEP CIRCULATING THE TAPES###
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: mason
Subject: Re: e: Nightcrawler and Excalibur #63
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:49:33 GMT

Regarding Captain Britain's loss of power ...
 
Captain Britain draws power from the energy matrix unique to the
British Isles.  His costume was an amplifier that allowed him to
access that matrix more efficiently and over greater distances.
It has been demonstrated that, without his costume, the Captain
loses power the longer he remains outside of Britain.
 
His recent power loss is almost certainly the result of the destruction
of the matrix in Excalibur #50 (I think).  Energy is much scarcer, and
Brian consequently has more trouble tapping it.  In the Alshra (sp?),
Meggan can see Brian drawing power from the matrix, which she sees as
"pretty lights".  No power = no pretty lights.  Brian was able to
recover his power in the last issue because he was wearing his costume,
which helps him tap into the matrix and make efficient use of its
energy.  It is unknown whether this is a temporary situation or the
new status quo.
 
 
Regarding the Warpies ...
 
The birth of Warpies was a consequence of the Jaspers Warp which
ended after Linda McQuillan (Captain UK) left our Earth for Sat-yr-9's
Earth.  It is *possible* that with the destruction of the energy matrix,
they are beginning to revert to human form, and the "disease" is a sham
of the RCX.  There are other possibilities.
 
I am not sure that the Warpies can be correctly termed mutants, as
their powers seem to express themselves differently.  For example, *no*
warpies have a normal human appearance.  Comments?
 
 
-- mason
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Madrox and diseases (was Re: X-Factor #88)
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:39:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

>
>of frotteurism for Madrox.  I loved Guido's response to Madrox's remark, "I
>mean, I'm not Mr. Experience like Guido is..." ("Dang straight.").  Maybe
>Rahne wants to find out first-hand why he's called the "Multiple Man" (sorry,
>that was bad).  Hey, here's an idea -- why doesn't Jamie just create a whole
>bunch of dupes and get all the women he wants?  Then he can REALLY give Guido
>some competition!   B)

Which of course leads to this interesting question. If one of Madrox
duplicates were to obtain a sexually transmitted disease and then merge,
would Madroz become infected? Actually, there's is an entire minefield
just waiting to be walked into on this question, especially if Madrox
were to sleep around more. Of course, right now that is completely out
of character, but who knows what could happen in the future.

_craig

***********************************************************************
*      Stupid Last Requests While waiting on Death Row                *
*      #1 - To hear "Wombling Merry Christmas" one last time.         *
***********************************************************************
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Bring back Wolverine's new costume!
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:56:10 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

<RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Does anyone out there besides me prefer the brown costume over the yellow
>and blue one?

I like them to change every now and then so yes I'm getting
a bit tired of the yellow and blue. 

>Does anyone out there know what the storyline was that made Logan switch
>back to his old costume and keep on it?

I remember back in an issue of Spiderman (around #10)
Logan ripped his costume or something and had to change
into his old yellow costume.

Who is your favourite artist to draw Wolverine?

Jed
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:38:51 GMT

In article <93025.180011GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Well, the Image books aren't Code-approved.  And I know there were alternate
>newsstand editions of at least the coupon books that didn't contain the
>coupons.  Valiants aren't Code-approved yet I heard that they have a newsstand
>distribution.  I don't know what the incentive for companies like Marvel or DC
>could be to make them want Code-approval.
>
>                                             --Eric

One word.  Stockholders.  These are not art galleries, they are publishing
businesses.  Even though a conservative backlash seems rather slim these
days, these guys want to make sure their asses are covered.

jfs


-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
"I am not the False Bob, I am a free man."  The Book of FalseBobs
"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks