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From: rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler)
Subject: re: Re: Running LOGINOUT [SYS$CLI]
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: CSC System Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:14:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.182111.1081@dbased.nuo.dec.com>, lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel) writes...
> 
>Regarding the issue of whether or not it is "supported" to run LOGINOUT.EXE
>to start a process with a CLI, I have a meeting with the writer of the
>VMS System Services Reference Manual later this afternoon to go over just what
>needs to be added to the $CREPRC description to make it clear that this IS
>supported.  I note that the $CREPRC description already has a lot more mention
>of LOGINOUT than does the DCL manual (I hadn't found it because it wasn't
>listed in the master index under LOGINOUT), in particular it says:
> 
>	"... This is so because SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE causes a
>	command interpreter to be mapped into the created process..."
>		("Description" section of $CREPRC documentation)
> 

Pardon me for not responding quickly to all those who asked "where" when I
claimed this behaviour was documented.  And thanks to those who did respond
with the various places and pieces of documentation which do relate to this
behaviour.

IMHO, statements in the documentation such as the above are sufficiently strong
to warrant my claim that the use of LOGINOUT to map a CLI is documented.  In
particular, I beieve that DEC should not alter this behaviour without
appropriate documentation in the Release Notes, including:
	1) statement of the change
	2) provision for, and documentation of, a new technique for
		achieving the same results
	3) justification for the change (a lot of code would be broken)

This is, in fact, what I expect for any known change to a documented interface
or behaviour, and I would anticipate from past experience that DEC would go
beyond the Release Notes in efforts to educate the affected sites.

OBTW, this behaviour of LOGINOUT was also documented in the Release Notes for
an early version of VMS (pre 3.0, possibly 2.0) when the behaviour of LOGINOUT
was changed to recognize that it did not need a username and password when
invoked by $CREPRC or RUN from a process belonging to a user who is already
logged in (basically, a process other than the job controller).

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From: PARMALEE001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU (Rich Parmalee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Looking for: A program similar to IRC
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:42:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

About 8 months ago I had received a program that was very similar to IRC but
have since deleted it and am unable to find it on the usual FTP sites, I have
also forgotten the name of the program. From what I remember I had received it
through this list in about 10-12 messages. 

I remember this much about the program: You ran it and it created a file that
made you the operator of the conferences. Then you had other people run it and
they were able to have conversations. The only thing was that all the
conferences were local connections.

Thank-you for any help.

Rich Parmalee PARMALEE001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: Walt.Armour@launchpad.unc.edu (Walt Armour)
Subject: Determining if process is runaway ?
Summary: How?
Keywords: process runaway CPU
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:51:43 GMT

   I am currently working on a sentry-type program to monitor processes
on our systems.  It monitors processes for idle logout and for runaway
CPU time.  The problem I have is determining whether a process is runaway
or not.  The method I was going to use would compare the ratio of CPU time
to connect time.  This works but is not the best.  If a user consumes enough
CPU to prevent becoming idle it could stay logged in for several days then
begin running away.  In that case my sentry could take several days to 
classify a process as runaway.

  Are there better (and quicker) methods that determine if a process is runaway
withing 5-10 minutes?

Tnx,
   Walt
   KD4QZQ

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From: vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Reposted TT_AccPorNam question.
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:38:59 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1993Jan5.223548.1@woods.ulowell.edu> sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Although the problem has been fixed, my (somewhat modified) questions remain:
>
>1)  Why would such an error in SYLOGIN cause TT_AccPorNam to return a blank
>    string only during TELNET sessions ? (ours is UCX V1.3 on VMS 5.4)
						       ^^^^
						   Here's your
						   problem.
>2)  Why does a SET TERM/INQUIRE remedy the problem ?
>
>I hope enough information has been provided.
>

  I remember reading in vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx that this is a known
  bug in UCX V1.3.  Fixed in V2.0.

--
 Vance Haemmerle                              vance@arizona.edu
 Support Systems Analyst, Senior              vance%toyvax@arizona.edu
 Lunar & Planetary Lab
 University of Arizona
From: finocchiaroj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Help needed on Uppercase in a batchfile
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:44:13 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

I have a question on whether there is a Uppercase function that you can use for
a batchfile, or is there an escape sequence to turn on Capslock. For example
say this is a batchfile:
	
	$ inquire/nopuct "enter your name: "
	
And you want the user to type in his name like this JASON and not like jason
I would appreciate any info on this.

Thanks,

	Finocchiaroj@merrimack
From: ANDERSONH@WR-HITS.AF.MIL ("Harry F. Anderson")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: (none)
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>> How can one find out the Ethernet address of a node ?
>> It's VMS 5.5. I know you can do it with a little bit of code and that's
>> straightforward but how can you do it with NCP, for instance ?

>$ MC NCP SHOW NODE <node_name> CHARACTERISTICS

   This won't work, or at least grossly incomplete.
                              
  Here is my answer, it might
  be more than requested but oh well.
  I hope I haven't wrote up anything wrong. :-)

>How can one find out the Ethernet address of a node ?

  There are two ethernet addresses on a Vax running Decnet.
  1. The actual hardware address , programed into a chip on the ethernet card,
     You can see the hardware address as follows:

     MC NCP
     NCP> show known line char

     this will show the address for each ethernet card.
     Notice all DEC cards will start with 08-00-2B , that is one of DECs 
     assigned ethernet prefixes.

  2. There is a DECNET address, that is dependent on the assigned DECNET
     address.  This is calculated from the DECNET address (How to get this is
     documented in the NETWORKING MANUAL page 3-14)
     Decnet upon startup reprogram's the card and the DECNET address is used
     from then on.  Notice that it starts with AA-00-04-00 which is assigned to 
     DEC for all DECNET ethernet communications. Also because the DECNET
     address is user settable, there will be duplication of DECNET ethernet
     addresses in the world. Whereas all hardware address are unique to a
     individual card and is unique in the world.


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From: dalessan@clam.rutgers.edu (Gene)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: File Transfer
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:12:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This may be a dumb question, but I need an answer. How
does one go about upload file from an ibm to a vax/vms machine?
No it does'nt have kermit. Please responed by mail.

Thanks
Gene
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: LAT printer: extra blank pages between jobs
From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:16:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: --
NNTP-Posting-Host: hermes.ece.arizona.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I am having problems with laser printers spitting out blank pages between
jobs, and I don't know why. 
    
I have an HP Laserjet III on a LAT port, under VMS 5.4-2.  (see below)
It does not print an extra blank page when you use a simple
"print/que=xxx", but it *does* when you use
"print/que=xxx/setup=portrait".  Now, says me, okay, it's
something in the PORTRAIT setup module right?

That setup module contains: "<ESC>E<ESC>&l2a0O" (quotes mine).
According to my PCL reference guide, the <ESC>E is a reset sequence for
the printer,  <ESC>&l2a specifies letter size paper, and 0O (<ESC>&
implied) specifies portrait orientation.
 
I thought it might be the reset, but we have a module RESET containing only an
<ESC>E and "print/queue=2930/setup=reset" does not print the extra page. 

Where is the extra page coming from??????????  How can I get rid of
it?????????  Help!  ;-)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
$ sh que/all/full 2930  ! 2930 is the queue in question, HOPI:: is a 
                        ! VAX 4000/300, VMS 5.4-2

Terminal queue 2930, on HOPI::LTA9978:, mounted form DEFAULT
    /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /CHAR=(1,10) /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /NOENABLE_GENERIC
    /LIBRARY=SYSDEVCTL_HPIII Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROTECTION=(S:E,O:D,G:R,
    W:W) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)

$ show dev/full lta9978

Terminal LTA9978:, device type unknown, is online, allocated, record-oriented
    device, carriage control, device is spooled through an intermediate device.

    Error count                    0    Operations completed                153
    Owner process    "SYMBIONT_0006"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]
    Owner process ID        2720011D    Dev Prot                S:RWLP,O:,G:,W:
    Reference count                2    Default buffer size                 132

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: karcher@jevex.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: 5.5 Upgrade blues..
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 6 JAN 93 17:58:06 CST

In a previous article, DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms) wrote:

>I think the savesets for VMS upgrades *must* reside in [000000] on the
>system disk.

It must be in [000000] but need not be on the system disk. Any disk that can be
mounted locally is ok. The VMS 5.5 upgrade worked here from [000000] on a
non-system disk.


Carl Karcher                          Internet: KARCHER@WAISMAN.WISC.EDU
Waisman Center                        Bitnet:   KARCHER@WISCMACC
University of Wisconsin-Madison       PSTnet:   (608) 263-5896
From: dmiller@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU ("Prof. David Miller")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: SHRIDMISMAT error message on NOTES
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:20:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi:

When attemping to run NOTES on DECwindows (XUI, not MOTIF) on a PC on
Pathworks, I get the following message ...

SYSTEM-SHRIDMISMAT Ident mismatch with sharable image

The question is, which sharable image? How do I find out?

VMS 5.5-2
Pathworks 4.1-1c (whatever the latest is)
NOTES (current version)

Dave.

DMILLER@VAX1.Bemidji.MSUS.EDU
           or
DMILLER%BSU.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET

Bemidji (Minn.) State University
From: masmummy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Creating subprocess with $CREPRC; preservation of symbols/logicals
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have a program that needs the use of $CREPRC to create a subprocess.
I think LIB$SPAWN is great, but I cannot alter quotas with it.

My problem lies in preserving symbols and/or logicals.
Is there any way (with normal privileges) that I can pass information to
this subprocess (I need to give it a stream about 80 characters long), without
resorting to files, mailboxes, and such?  It appears to me (I am not an expert)
that LIB$SPAWN copies the symbol and logical tables over by default.  Can I
do that with $CREPRC, too?

Thanks,
Bill
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: hooft@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Hooft)
Subject: Re: Date incorrect after reboot
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:03:47 GMT

In <1993Jan6.092134.22@sfpp.com> longo@sfpp.com (Bob Longo) writes:

>Yeah... My VAX systems NEVER crash, so why bother?    ;-)

>Seriously - you are correct that SHUTDOWN.COM does the SET TIME, but systems
>do occasionally crash, lose power, etc.  Issuing the SET TIME shortly after
>midnight after the new year change covers you in case of such a disaster.

Just make sure you have a cluster: good LAVC practice is to
synchronize the clocks every once in a while: I think SET TIME/CLUSTER
will also take care of the problem?

And: NO: Our VAX systems NEVER crash. Uptimes upto 600 days, causing an
overflow in the CPU time of the NULL process (Yes: VMS 4.7).

-- 
Rob W.W. Hooft,  Department of crystal and structural chemistry
Bijvoet Center for Biomolecular Research, University of Utrecht
The Netherlands ===== hooft@chem.ruu.nl (hooft@hutruu54.bitnet)
====Use a Real Operating System on your 386: Linux is FREE!====
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Help needed on Uppercase in a batchfile
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:56:24 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan4.204413.2561@merrimack.edu>, finocchiaroj@merrimack.edu writes:
>I have a question on whether there is a Uppercase function that you can use for
>a batchfile, or is there an escape sequence to turn on Capslock. For example
>say this is a batchfile:
>	
>	$ inquire/nopuct "enter your name: "
>	
>And you want the user to type in his name like this JASON and not like jason
>I would appreciate any info on this.

First, I think you're confusing BATCH files and DCL procedures.  The former are
a subset of the latter (DCL procedures become BATCH files as soon as you use
the SUBMIT command to run them).

Second, what you want is:
	$ READ/PROMPT="enter your name: " SYS$COMMAND NAME
	$ NAME = F$EDIT(NAME, "UPCASE")
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: SABRY@SHEBIN.EG (Sabry Kotob El-Ganzory)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: How I contact to ARPANET...
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hello All..........
What do I do to contact to ARPANET because I send some message to this but I
received saying That this address UNKNONW of thsi ARPANET.
Mant Thanks to any help.........

==>Sabry,

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: How Open is Open VMS?
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:03:05 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.203220.11469@eco.twg.com>, larry@eco.twg.com (Lawrence B. Henry III) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.190236.29454@zooid.guild.org>, Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>|>Could someone tell me how "open" Open VMS really is. Is it so open that
>|>someone can obtain the source codes, or is it another proprietary operating
>|>system with the word "Open" attached to it? Thanks.
>|>
>From what I understand source code for VMS is obtainable.. but one must pay
>money.. I would'nt touch the "open" word debate for anything.... especially when
>talking about operating systems.

One has always been able to buy the source tape(s) for VMS, once the license
fees were settled.  Of course, at one point in time (back when I was with DEC),
anyone who bought the source kit was refunded their software maintenance fees.

I'm a strong believer in "open" = "marketting".
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TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: SUBMIT help please.
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:29:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.224954.21329@npal.rn.com>, sbrant@npal.rn.com writes:
>		Anyway,  I have an EXE program that runs with no problem.
>		The program does not require any input from a user. It is simply
>		a special file processing program.  
>
>		When I start the .com file with the following commands, all
>               works well.
>
>		$ define/exec sys$input sys$command
>		$ run/error=nla0:/output=nla0: dua1:[data.sweep]scanit
>
>		Now the problem arises.  I want to SUBMIT this com procedure
>		so we can schedule the execution of the .exe program.
>
>		Submitting the com program causes a failure. Nothing works.

As Carl Lydick has pointed out, you haven't supplied nearly enough
information, so all we can do is guess. If your .COM file is comprised of
only the above two lines, then I would guess that the program is failing
due to the fact that you have not SET DEFAULT to DUA1:[DATA.SWEEP] (or
wherever it is you need to be. This is often the answer when someone says 
"it works fine when I run it interactively, but it fails when I try to 
SUBMIT it". Like I said, this is just a guess, which is all I can do 
based on the above information.

Also, if the program does not require any input from the user, why are
you redirecting SYS$INPUT?

Also, maybe if you didn't direct your errors to the null device you might
have some clue as to why it's not working.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Tim the Toolman
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From: davo@homer.corp.sgi.com (David Ferrise)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Date incorrect after reboot
Keywords: Bug, reboot, new year
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:56:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I apologize if everyone in the world knew this except me...

We rebooted our Vaxcluster last night and discovered that the system came 
up with the date of 5-JAN-1994 (366 days into the future).

Unfortunately, our job scheduler decided to 'catch-up' on a year's worth of 
missed submits for certain jobs that were set up to ignore the "don't submit
if later than X days" parameter.

After contacting DEC they informed us that this is a *known* bug and that every
good VAX shop will do a SET TIME after the first of the year before attempting
any reboot.

In case you are unwaware of this bug I suggest that you perform the afore-
mentioned fix prior to a reboot.  DEC claims that it hits systems randomly and
you cannot foresee if your system will trigger the bug or not.

Once again, I apologize if everyone else was aware of this.  I have talked 
to several people who claim that they knew of this bug in the distant past
but assumed that it had been fixed by now.

Also - FYI - we are running VMS 5.5-1 on a 3-node cluster consisting of a
6420, a 6520 and a 6620.

					-davo-
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