From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:45:31 GMT

Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: IPACS PTE LTD (ipacs@solomon.technet.sg) wrote:

: : Straits Times Saturday Jan 23 1993
: : ----------------------------------
: : ROYAL WARDS TO BE OPENED TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TOO

: : Kuala Lumpur - The public will soon be able to use wards in general
: : hospitals reserved for members of the royalty whenever they are vacant.  A
: ^^^^^^^^^^^
: Do you know the standard of first-class ward at KL general hospital?
: 2 in a room, and it is not like the first class ward in SGH, and NUH, and
: I had been there.

: 	No wonder the royalty do not want to stay at THOSE ROYAL WARDS. Even
: a lot of Telekom executives prefer the private hostipatals, and our pay is
: not high.

What has that got to do with a government decision to release these to the
public?  If the sultans do not wish to use these exclusive wards, why have
them at all?  Why not make them non-exclusive and let the public use them?
If the standard is that bad, no one in the public would pay for these wards.
If they do, well, that's their choice.  Not all the people might be able to
pay for the private hospitals; their pay is probably lower than yours.  Have
you looked at it this way?

: : Records at the Kuala Lumpur General Hospital's royal ward show that
:                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : occupancy has been low.

: : A hospital spokesman said the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Sultan Azlan Shah,
: : stayed there for about 10 days five months ago.

: : The ward has been unoccupied since then.  The royal ward comprises two
: : suites with two rooms in each.  Each suite has a sitting room and a
: : bathroom. - NEW STRAITS TIMES


: : I cannot believe that you had the temerity to claim that others were
: : "inventing facts" when the only person doing any fabrication was yourself.

: Who is inventing facts. How come one hospital become many hospitals. I believe
: Malaysia only has one general hospital.

You believe.  But is it true?  You claimed in your previous posts that the
sultanate now is unable to reserve wards in hospitals; quite self-assuredly
too.  And claimed that [can't remember who] was "inventing facts" when he
was merely paraphrasing the article I have painstakingly reproduced above.

But the truth is that the sultanate can STILL use the wards.  And I might
add that it is very clearly stated in the article that the public can only
use the ward IF IT IS NOT OCCUPIED - implying that the sultans STILL get
priority; they just won't have a ward that cannot be used despite being
empty 90% of the time.

Once again I ask you, are you sure there is only one general hospital?
Since you've asked me for my source (which I've shown), please be kind
enough to show me yours.

: 	HOw come one ward become many wards. Maybe the royalty never asked for 
: it. It could even be for the ministers as well or maybe the ministers are too
: rich  to stay at KLGH.

Many wards?  Who said many wards?  Even the article stated that the royal
suite comprises two 2-room suites.

For the ministers?  Show me your source; don't speculate unless you are
prepared to accept other's speculation too!  (Which you obviously don't
since you like to claim that others are inventing facts.)

: : From what I can see, this is an issue you feel strongly about, but please
: : don't get carried away.  I hope your future discourse is tempered by
: : rational thought and SOLID FACT.

: So how solid is your fact. Fortunately you quote them or else noone can
: verify it.

Wow, I'm soooo lucky man.  Or else let you bash until blur man.

Oh this is ridiculous.  So my facts aren't solid enough for you?  I have
reproduced the entire article as it appears VERBATIM.  Why don't you quote
YOUR sources so that others can verify them?

: : If you are unhappy with this reply, feel free to direct flames to my email
: : account.  Please do not waste any more bandwidth, which this group seems to
: : be becoming famous for.

: I do not want to waste my time writing emails which are subject to even more
: abuses. You do not know what they say in private emails, it is even more
: ridiculous than posted here.

Well, then you cannot blame others for feeling that what you say here is
ridiculous too.  Please note that none of this is meant with any malice.
But don't you see that if you claim that someone is fabricating facts, the
onus is on you to prove it.  And not to respond with speculations of your
own?

'Nuff said.  I wash my hands of this thread.  Unless you have something new
and substantial to add... as before flames go my email acct.  (C'mon, even
Ricky Asano emailed me instead of wasting bandwidth here).
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