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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Paul Jabara
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:49:22 GMT


From The New York Times, Friday, October 2, 1992
--------------------

Paul Jabara, a songwriter, singer and actor who won
an Academy Award in 1979 for writing the disco hit
"Last Dance," died on Tuesday at his home in Los
Angeles.  He was 44 years old.

He died after a long illness, a spokesman for 
Kaleidoscope Films said.

[....]

His other songwriting credits include "The Main Event"
performed by Barbara Streisand; "Enough is Enough" sung
as a duet by Ms. Streisand and [Donna] Summer; "Work 
That Body" by Diana Ross; "It's Raining Men" by the
Weathergirls, and "Two Lovers" by Julio Iglesias.  
Mr. Jabara was also a producer of Ms. Streisand's 
Grammy Award-winning "Broadway Album."

[....]

---------------------

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From: jct@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:26:31 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: twink.mti.sgi.com

Who'da thunk it... the editor-in-chief of The Advocate was interviewed
live on CNN this morning in a piece about the magazine's 25th anniversary.

The only time I really raised my eyebrows was when the anchor turned
to the subject of outing and asked the editor why the Advocate had done
it twice even if he was opposed to it.  He gave a good, well-reasoned
answer (basically the one that's been on his editorial page both
times it happened), but he *didn't* say who the two people were.  He
only said something like "one's an elected official, and the other is
a highly-placed government official."

Interesting that he was "playing the game" enough not to name names on
CNN -- live, at that -- where he might have had more of an impact!
-- 
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:03:25 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Oct5.190655.24086@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >  Actually, I had a three week old one on my summer vacation up in Oregon.
> 
> You mean during the con?

  No, I went back up there about 3 weeks later.
 
> Ah yes, what's it _really_ like to go camping with Bob Sarver? 
> Snuggling together in the same sleeping bag with your manly buddy... :-)

  I assure you, sir, that I could not possibly measure up to His
Butchness's expectations. I am certainly not even qualified to
dig his latrine. Such a manly man certainly deserves better than
the likes queenly moi. Besides, I don't like playing poker (the
card game).
  Actually, my manly buddy showed up for vacation completely shaved
by somebody on the beach at San Onofre. I was, well, shocked. Just
ask Alan, he saw it too. Blondes, what can you do?

> >  Unfortunately (?), facial hair really bugs me and I seem to
> >develop an annoying rash after a while. Besides, I can't stand
> >when my face hairs get pulled...
> 
> Are you talking tweezers a la Joan, or are you just suggesting you need
> lovers with more finesse?

  None of the above. I just don't like it when things catch on your
hairs and pull them out. Remember that boyfriend and the "pookie" 
routine? I guess it traumatized me :-)
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:57:36 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct2.010737.22952@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
   writes:
> 	You would have loved marching with the NYC.motss crowd in 
> NYC on Pride Day.  We chanted in BASIC, and had the time of our lives.
> Next year we're going in drag: pocket protectors for DAYS!  I may
> even look for a slide rule... to... well, you know, MEASURE things!

     With his other hand firmly grasping onto a copy of the Napoleonic Code 
from his pocket, as he plots to take control of Usenet, as our Supreme Ruler!

RULE #1:  Thou shall not cross post!
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Genes, Categorical Hypostatization, and You
Date: 26 Sep 1992 15:39:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep26.174456.23668@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> 
gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
> In article <92267.204350HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
> HERSCH@auvm.american.edu writes:

[Foucault worship and debunking deleted]

> >I think it has been clearly understood for quite a long time now that
> >what we think of within our culture as "love" -- that is, "romantic
> >love" -- is a fairly recent cultural expression, maybe four or five
> >hundred years old.

Snort.

> It's been maintained.  I suspect any day now some smart young thing
> will discover the obvious, namely that people back in Greco-Roman times
> used to complain about the Madness of Love all the time, and write a
> book with just the opposite thesis, which will then become the popular
> wisdom for a generation.  It's been a long time since C. S. Lewis wrote
> 'The Allegory of Love', and we're about due.

Well, it wouldn't even take all that smart or young a thing
to do this.  For instance, I've just picked up my recently
purchased copy of Guy Lee's recent and pretty good translation 
of the Poems of Catullus (Oxford U.P.).  I opened the book and
this is the opening of the first poem I saw:

   Septimius, his beloved Acme
   In his lap, said 'Acme darling,
   If I'm not desperately in love
   And set to go on loving you
   Forever in utter desperation,
   Then lone in Liby or scorched India
   I'll face a lion with green eyes.' [...]

I flip some pages and come to this:

   Honeyed Juventius, while you were playing I stole from you
     A sweeter kiss than sweet ambrosia.
   Yes, but I didn't get it scot-free, for I remember
     Being stuck for more than an hour on a cross
   While I made my excuses to you but could not move
     Your cruelty one bit with all my tears.
   For hardly was it done before you drenched your lips
     With water-drops and wiped them with soft knuckles,
   Lest anything infectious from my mouth remain,
     As though it were some pissed-on whore's foul spittle.
   Besides you were not slow to hand wretched me over
     To angry Love and crucify me every way,
   So that for me that kiss was now turned from ambrosia
     To something sourer than sour hellebore.
   Since you propose this penalty for a wretched lover,
     Henceforth I'll never steal a kiss again.

That's 2000 years old, and Catullus was only building on
the work of Sappho, who wrote several centuries before
him.  So what's this crap about love being only 400 years
old?  (Oh yes, Juventius was a cockteasing, fickle teenaged 
boy that Catullus had the hots for.)

Arne

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From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Damon Wayons -- what's the deal?
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.005645.23810@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>
>	I'm sure there are enlightened people out there who do
>see understand the "real" humor of "Men on..." certainly most
>GBLO*-fans should.  But to assume that most of the viewing public
>"gets it" is the ultimate in denial.  IF that were anything close
>to reality, we wouldn't be clawing for our rights the way we are:
>"getting it" implies some understanding of the GBLO*-community and
>some acceptance of it.  Do you see that in everyday life?  I
>certainly don't.
>
>	With any luck, GLAAD will pick up on this and run with it.
>I fear though that people will opt more to "not upset the strayts"
>than to see "Men On..." for what it really is, and not what we'd like
>it to be.
>
>BBC

Damon Wayans is no longer on the show. And if the season opener is
any indication of the "humor" we can expect over the comming
year, I'd bet this is their *last* season.  I'm sorry, but I
didn't find the LA riot amusing the first time, and their
parody of the whole situation was less than funny.  

"The Edge" was funny, though.  (Although there was a part where
a gay dating show host was being beat up by another dating show
host.  The gay host was was saying "don't stop" and enjoying his
beating.  Kinda sends a bad message.)

Shawn
"What Flipper is doing right this minute."
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 92 14:31:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Greg Parkinson observes:
>There is also a strange phenomenon which is associated
>with this removal of body hair - a *stunning* increase
>in nelliness.  Perhaps body hair secretes some sort of
>butchizing hormone.

It makes perfect sense to me -- if they look like a
prepubescent girl on steroids, they start acting like one.

;-{)##]

Thank goodness I received furry genes from both sides of
my family....
 
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Summary: BIRDS SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS (part V)
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:54:35 GMT

[we have finally gotten through the thicket of imagined history to
the actual recipe.  by now, we have caught us our robins (or meadowlarks,
as the case may be).]

     Get three young robins for every person. If possible get them in
the early part of the summer as at this time they are at their very
best.  [it's a peak time for a lot of us.  maybe it's those nice long
days.]  Anyone that has a berry patch, cherry, plum or apply orchard
is glad to have you take them as they are bad destroyers of fruit.
[well, there's a little anaphora problem there, but he means the
birds.  "bad destroyers of fruit" strikes me as a little ominous,
however.]  Make a cut with a sharp knife along the breast bone and
peel off the skin with the feathers on it from the breasts of the
birds.  Cut off the breasts.  Wash them well in cold water.  Place a
good sized chunk of butter in your frying pan.  Dip the breasts into
flour and put them into the melted butter.  Just brown the breasts
nicely on all sides, do not attempt to completely cook them.  Salt and
pepper to taste.  Now remove the breasts and cook them in a pressure
cooker for 8 to 12 minutes.  [on and on the paragraph goes...]  At the
time of Saint Thomas Aquinas the birds were placed on a grate over a
pot of boiling water.  The cover was then put on the pot and the birds
steamed until done.  The pressure cooker does the same thing, only
quicker.  [whatever happened to pressure cookers?  too many exploded
dinners on the ceiling?]  Remove the breasts when done and serve as
the main meat dish.  You can serve them with a gravy made from the
butter left in the frying pan, with fried onions or just as they are.
They make rare delicious eating.  [i know some who make rare
delicious eating...]

[next: TITTY SAUCE YAMS.  you heard it here first.]



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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Get Out The Vote (Clinton the Square)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 06:14:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.004138.818@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppa
a) writes:
>>>Doesn't Clinton have asthma?  Inhaling would be kind of stupid, wouldn
t
>>>it?
>>
>>Yes!
>
>Excuse me?  Hemp has been used to relieve asthma attacks due to its
>bronchodilating effects.  Why would it be stupid for someone with
>asthma to inhale?
>
>//Jyrki



 When I used to smoke pot, I found that the smoke exacerbated my asthme
because it was irritating. I suppose oral marijuana might work, but the
claims for mj helping asthma didn't work for me. o
 My point is that it is very possible that the pot irritated his broncial
tubes and induced an asthma attack, not allowing him to inhale.

St. Anthony

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From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Boy Scouts and the United Way
Date: 26 Sep 92 01:27:58 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)

Well, I had very little success posting this to soc.bi, so now I guess I'll
see what soc.motss can come up with...

Does anyone in net.land happen to know what Scouts Canada's policy is
regarding homos?  From what I gather, they have much the same sort of
discriminatory policy as BSA (there were two former scout leaders at Pride
Day in Toronto), but I haven't heard too much about them.

The second part of the question is: does anyone in net.land happen to know
if United Way is still funding Scouts Canada?  I vaguely recall hearing
something about U/W and discrimination, but I can't remember whether they
cut off the boy scouts or whether they were asked to boycott and refused.

I'm having a mini crisis with this, since the federal civil service is a big
supporter of United Way, and I don't want to be giving to an organization 
that funds an openly discriminatory group.  If *anyone* has any info, please
e-mail me rather than post.               

Hasta 
DCXF
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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Clay (was, Re: enough already.)
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:12:21 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Sep29.190250.23521@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes regarding Clay Bond:

>Hoisting a bit on my own petard, since it's one of my litanies,
>I mistook his form for his content, on occasion.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I can hear Clay moaning or howling at that,
	since the inseparability of style and content
	is one of his watchwords.

	I know what you mean, though.

	-R


--
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that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:52:44 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>     Saint Thomas Aquinas was born in 1225 and died in 1274.  He was a
>very brilliant kindly man, an Italian by birth.  He enjoyed eating
>immensely.  [nice ambiguity of division there.]  He became so heavy that
>his stomach kept him so far away from tables that he could not reach his
>plate.  He was practical as well as brilliant and kindly and quickly
>solved his problem...

>[ok, kids, what would *you* do here?  solve saint tommy's problem
>and win a free pod.]

Raise the table to neck level? Use the stomach as an impromptu table?
Rig up an automated tennis serving machine? *REALLY* *LONG* *UTENSILS*?

(not meaning to slight Rod's suggestion by any means, of course)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Xref: sparky soc.motss:40928 ba.motss:1762
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Rob's memorial at the R-BAR-JB
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:52:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep29.035202.557
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

A friend writes:

	Hope the ceremony for Rob was healing.

It was.  It was not at all as wrenching as I had feared.  I had been worried
about being overwhelmed by memories of Rob, walking into his house again,
a place so unmistakably his, only to miss him even more acutely.  Perhaps we
were lucky that the service was planned for more than six weeks after Rob's
death, for it would have been unbearable shortly thereafter.

The backyard had been transformed by Rob's landscaping efforts over the
past year.  Instead of a dusty hill rolling down to the barn there was
a real lawn and garden made level with a retaining wall.  Passionflowers
poked out of the trellises forming the border along the wall.  People
gathered outside:  Rob's mother; his sister Claire, her husband,
and their children; Cory, Rob's neighbor and daily companion these last
few months; Chuck Fisher, Rob's right-hand man during his illness; and
Terry Bartlett, Rob's former lover and housemate, along with a collection
of neighbors, colleagues and net friends.  Oriana, Rob's horse, was in the
barn entertaining guests and begging to be fed a handful of oats.

After about an hour of chatting, munching and milling about, people
gathered in a circle in his backyard taking turns giving testimony to
what Rob meant to each of us, some funny, some bittersweet, some quite
painful and heartbreaking, but all wonderful.  This seems to be a
Quaker-ish form of remembrance which has evolved in secular circles;
and it is tremendously moving as the impressions accumulate.  There
were so many different ways that Rob touched people's lives, and we
were able to hear many of them, many of whom did not or could not
give voice on the net.

Once this was over, the barbeque started, and it was for all
intents, just like all of Rob's wonderful barbeques, though sadly
diminished by his absence.  Like earlier times, I managed to meet
some folks whom I'd only known electronically, and I felt no less
privileged this time.

I want to thank Chuck and Claire for coordinating and organizing this.
I could recognize in his mother and sister that dull ache of loss which
only grows weaker with time, but never really disappears.  I hope everyone's
presence helped that healing along a bit.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: demuffining
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:39:51 GMT

In article <lchnpgINNsr4@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.220846.12311@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger 
>|> Fuck off.
>|> Fuck off.
>|> Yes.  Now, fuck off.

>Oh! If this is the way that I am going to be treated here, I guess I
>will never post again.  I see why people never post to motss if this is
>the treatment they get!!!!!

Jeffy-po, you just ignore that Roger, he's a complete meanie.

Snuggle-love-Ehugs,

Ry
ry@usl.com
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From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Madonna bashing
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:26:42 GMT

In article <67092@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Steve Dyer writes:
>>I'd love to know why the Lone Star, for all its faux
>>outlaw posing, seems as prim as a ladies auxiliary meeting
>>when it comes to getting down and dirty.
>
>1) You haven't been there at the right times, obviously.
>
>2) There's the little problem of the bar getting BUSTED if
>   The Officialdom chooses the wrong moment to visit.  _My
>   Place_ up on Folsom has recently been busted for patrons
>   doin' the nasty in dark corners of the establishment.
>
>My feeling is that if the situation in SF was such that all the
>ABC was concerned with was keeping booze out of the hands of
>minors and not policing the behaviour of the patrons, you'd
>probably see an orgy out on the patio, with Rick (the owner)
>cheering it on, possibly participating.  Unfortunately, it 
>seems that the Officialdom in SF is on a kick to stamp out
>foolin' around in fag bars.


Oh, I don't know.  The *one* time I was in the Lone Star I
saw Furr doing his version of a taste test.   ;>


Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.220604.11700@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>I'm still hunting for the gay equivalent of a rough-tough-shoot-em-up space
>>warrior novel where the hero gets not the girl, but the guy!
>
>   Well, I dunno about _novel_, but there's a (IMHO) _terrible_
>collection of Gay erotic science fiction called "This Universe Of Men,"
>by Greg Logan.  Predictably, it was published by FirstHand (gryn).

Well, I wasn't exactly thinking of porn stuff.... but okay. <g> I'm game.

>      128.2.209.227:~/pub/stories/journal_entries

Which I have read and enjoyed! (At least most of 'em...) Good work!


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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Quayle Campaign Stroll Disrupted in SF
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:46:11 GMT


You gotta love this town, Episode MCDLXVIII...

Quayle was in San Francisco yesterday evening to speak at
a fundraiser in Chinatown for Republican neanderthal (and
Senate candidate) Bruce Herschensohn.  After scaring a
bunch of innocent pre-school kids at St. Mary's Chinese
Catholic Center, Dan tried to walk trimphantly along
Grant Avenue, Chinatown's main thoroughfare, greeting
potential Bush-Quayle voters.  Instead, he was taunted by
AIDS activists, gay protestors and, as the SF Examiner
quaintly puts it, "even people in coats and ties," with
shouts of "four more weeks" and other slogans unsuited to
printing in a family newspaper.

The Examiner reports that Quayle's press secretary, David
Beckwith, at one point in the proceedings, charged that
Bill Clinton "advocated affirmative action for gays."

"It is our view," he said, "they are not a protected class.
The only way to determine who is in that class is to ask
people, and we don't think that's anybody's business."
[Is this guy on Halcion too? :-)]
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