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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R A Isexit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Planet of the Apes
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:38:13 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I don't know if this is the appropriate group but I noticed an error in
storyline in the Planet of the Apes movies and wanted to know if anyopne else
noticed it or if I am incorrect. 

In Planet of the Apes... we are to believe that the Humans started a Nuclear
War and after they destroyed each other the Apes evolved. But, In Escape from
the Planet of the Apes, Zera tells that the apes just revolted while they were
being treated as pets after the cats and dogs died. What happened to the4
Nuclear War?

Rai.
From: ggreene@koko.csustan.edu (George Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Bonzai
Keywords: Buckaroo
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:19:50 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1993Jan7.003902.1354@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>In article <mumble> marshal@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall) writes:
>
>>Sorry if I'm spelling the name wrong.  Does anyone know if there are
>>more than 1 Buckaroo movie?  I've been told there are several but
>>I can only find 1.  Thanks.
>
>Close on the spelling; its Buckaroo Banzai.  And there is only one
>movie.  
>
>
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Wrong! there was some made in Japan by the company that own the rights to
the Name. Their was also part of the second movie made but it got cut up
by the Japanese to make one of the movies.
Try going to a Big city that has a Japan Town in it and go to any
video store that's there most we'll have a whold rack of movies
from Japan . You may find one there.
I'll get the names from a friend there and post them for you.
I hear that the Japanese did a good job on one but really
 mess up the other two.
                    George Greene
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Subject: Re: THE QUIET EARTH
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:29:00 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1993Jan4.231333.18629@midway.uchicago.edu> ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard O. Rouse III) writes:
>
>Has any one out there seen the New Zeland film "The Quiet Earth" circa 1985?

That's "New Zealand" :-)

>It is aboslutely not only one of my favorite sf films, but also one of my
>favorite films all around.  But the ending is a little vague, so I was
>wondering other people's thoughts on it.

The ending is extremely vague! I suspect the makers were aiming for a
2001-style interpret-it-any-way-you-want sort of thing. Personally I think
they succeeded; TQE is proof that you don't need to explain every last
detail to make a successful story.

Craig Harrison, who wrote the novel it's based on, complained that even he
didn't understand the ending of the movie. Then again, personally I didn't
understand the ending of the book either...

(The book is very different to the movie, and IMHO not very good; I think
this is one of the very rare cases where a movie is actually better than the
book it's based on. The only other one I can think of is "Lifeforce".)

>In the end, is Zac supposed to be in heaven?  If not, why is Saturn appearing
>immediately in the background?
>At the end, why does Zac look at the tape recorder he has somehow brought with
>him to wherever he is, and then toss it to the ground (at least this is what
>I seem to remember seeing)?

No, he holds it up to his mouth, as if about to record something; then the
picture freezes and the credits roll.

>Does Zac save the earth in the end?
>If so, are all the humans brought back to life, or does "all reality" simply
>maintain itself as it was after humanity was mostly killed off?

Your guess is as good as anyone's :-)


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I blame you for the moonlit nights when I wonder why are the seas still dry
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Bonzai
Keywords: Buckaroo
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:39:02 GMT

In article <mumble> marshal@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall) writes:

>Sorry if I'm spelling the name wrong.  Does anyone know if there are
>more than 1 Buckaroo movie?  I've been told there are several but
>I can only find 1.  Thanks.

Close on the spelling; its Buckaroo Banzai.  And there is only one
movie.  


-- 
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From: Ray.Chramega <Ray.Chramega@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 19:08:07 GMT

In <1993Jan6.153814.4894@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R A Isexit) writes:

>I don't know if this is the appropriate group but I noticed an error in
>storyline in the Planet of the Apes movies and wanted to know if anyopne else
>noticed it or if I am incorrect. 

>In Planet of the Apes... we are to believe that the Humans started a Nuclear
>War and after they destroyed each other the Apes evolved. But, In Escape from
>the Planet of the Apes, Zera tells that the apes just revolted while they were
>being treated as pets after the cats and dogs died. What happened to the4
>Nuclear War?

>Rai.


 It's pretty much common knowledge that the PLANET OF THE APES series is
filled with this sort of thing. In the first episode of the TV series the
astronauts crash and their ship is spotted by a yong chimp who is out
walking his dog. This doesn't jive with ESCAPE either. The cartoon series
features the character Brent who in BENEATH comes to find Taylor. Only in
this series Brent doesn't even know who Taylor is and is simply living out
of his crashed spaceship in a chunk of the Forbidden Zone. Brent even says
that he's never wandered very far from his ship in the 20 years he's been
stranded and is surprised to hear the simians rule the world. This seems to
prove the theory of one author in the old PLANET OF THE APES magazine that
the apes series' seem to take place in paralel worlds to our own.

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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald) writes:
...
> Prediction: the next worthwhile SF film will be made by Ridley Scott (who
> made the last worthwhile SF film, and the last one before that IMHO).

I dunno...my money's on Stanley Kubrick, who's supposedly at work right
now on an SF movie.

Craig
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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alien Genesis: Earth?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:23:13 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

After reading Steve Perry's Aliens: Earth Hive, the idea that the
Alien comes originally from an Earth biotech lab seems even more
likely, given the extreme sloppiness of the company in handling
the Alien on Earth and it's penchant for killing or repressing anyone
who knows about the existence of the Alien.

The actions of the "Elephant" in the book are interesting: it saves
Billie, Wilks and the crewman in the supposed home planet of the
Alien with a special Alien Killer gun, yet it does nothing to 
assist humanity as the Aliens overrun the Earth. Billie even senses
satisfaction from the Elephant as it views humanities demise, almost
as if revenge were a factor.

It would make sense to construct the Alien, use it on a competitor
for resources in deep space (the "Elephants") and sweep the whole 
thing under the rug.  

-rabjab
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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Re: THE QUIET EARTH
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 06:13:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.231333.18629@midway.uchicago.edu> ror1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>
>Has any one out there seen the New Zeland film "The Quiet Earth" circa 1985?
>
>It is aboslutely not only one of my favorite sf films, but also one of my 
>favorite films all around.  But the ending is a little vague, so I was
>wondering other people's thoughts on it.

Excellent movie! A MUST see.

>In the end, is Zac supposed to be in heaven?  If not, why is Saturn appearing
>immediately in the background?

I thought he was on a moon of Saturn personally. Why he was there - who the
hell knows !?

>At the end, why does Zac look at the tape recorder he has somehow brought with
>him to wherever he is, and then toss it to the ground (at least this is what
>I seem to remember seeing)?
>Does Zac save the earth in the end?  

I got the impression that he stopped "the effect" - as for saving humanity,
isn't it sort of too late !?

>If so, are all the humans brought back to life, or does "all reality" simply
>maintain itself as it was after humanity was mostly killed off?
>
>I'm also curious to anyone else's thoughts on this *GREAT* movie.
>

I found the ending as incomprehensible as you did - sort of like watching
2001 for the first time.

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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Yet another movie to ID
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:20:27 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Memphis State University

> The second movie, I actually know the title of. I remember seeing a (TV?) movie
> version of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World".  Again, it's been at least ten
> years since I've seen this movie, and I don't think I've ever seen it listed 
> in the TV section since.  Anyone know the story on this movie?  I don't believe
> it has ever been released on video either.
> 
> Thanks for any info you have!

I have this movie on video tape. It is called Brave New World. And It's a great
movie... Though it has a rather sad end. It's orgins beside the Book I don't
know my father must have taped it off the air in the late 70's... He and I
haven't spoken in years.

Rai.
> 
> Brent
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Barbarella trivia
Reply-To: aa382@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:23:30 GMT


Just saw this film again; it's funnier than I remembered. But I seem to
have missed a particular line...

Can anyone give me, verbatim, the line where Jane Fonda hears the angel
screaming and says something to the effect of:

"Hmm, screaming. Dramatic situations usually come after screaming."

Please email replies, and thanks...

-- 
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aa382@freenet.carleton.ca    '

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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: GODZILLA SNES GAME
Keywords: Godzilla Japan Monster
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:34:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

Coming out in Japan this summer, and in the United States next 
winter, is a new Godzilla game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment
System.

It features Godzilla fighting six different monsters, including 
the adult Battra from GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA, Ghidrah, MechaGhidrah, 
Biollante (I don't know which form), Mothra and Bagan, the monster
from the aborted MOTHRA VS. BAGAN project.

 
David Milner  Columbia University
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        ...rutgers!columbia!blackbox.cc.columbia.edu!dave
From: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Second Genyosha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes..how many
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:33:37 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: taia_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1isum6INNqpn@news.gac.edu>, arvidl@ancho.gac.edu (Lee Arvidson) writes:
>So how many movies were made in the Planet of the Apes series?
>(and what was the titles)

 There were five movies in the series

  1. Planet of the Apes
  2. Beneath the Planet of the Apes
  3. Escape from the Planet of the Apes
  4. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes
  5. Battle for the Planet of the Apes

 I think that these are titles, but my memory isn't as it use to be :)
Did anyone read the comics by Marvel? I thought that some of the stories
there were superior to the latter movie story lines, but then that's
Hollywood for you. Always trying to squeeze the last dollar out of a theme.

>Thanks
>Lee
>arvidl@nic.gac.edu

 Not at all. I've enjoyed reading about this old movie series, but then
even Star Wars: A new hope is nearly sixteen years old now :) I'm starting
to feel ancient.......

This has been...            : "I have never listened to anyone who criticized
 Tony Taia                  :my taste in space travel, sideshows or gorillas.
  TAIA_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz :When this occurs, I pack up my dinosaurs and leave
My ideas are mine alone, ok?:leave the room." - Ray Bradbury 1980. Age 60.
From: scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz (Robert Singers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: THE QUIET EARTH
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 18:23:18 +1300
Organization: Barbed Wire Cat Productions

ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard O. Rouse III) writes:

> Has any one out there seen the New Zeland film "The Quiet Earth" circa 1985?
> 
> It is aboslutely not only one of my favorite sf films, but also one of my 
> favorite films all around.  But the ending is a little vague, so I was
> wondering other people's thoughts on it.
> 
> In the end, is Zac supposed to be in heaven?  If not, why is Saturn appearing
> immediately in the background?
> At the end, why does Zac look at the tape recorder he has somehow brought wit
> him to wherever he is, and then toss it to the ground (at least this is what
> I seem to remember seeing)?
> Does Zac save the earth in the end?  
> If so, are all the humans brought back to life, or does "all reality" simply
> maintain itself as it was after humanity was mostly killed off?
> 
From memory, the world changes and only the people who are dying as it 
changes are left alive in the new world.  Zac is the only (known) 
individual to be dying both times the world (universe) changes.

The Quiet Earth was written by one of the lecturers here in Palmerston 
North at Massey university.  Craig Harrison I believe, but I could be 
wrong, my memory is like a thing with holes in it.  He probably has net 
access, so if you're lucky, He might even answer some of your questions.

Robert Singers               | Nothing I say or do should be taken as
scimitar@suction.acme.gen.nz | a reflection of any form of reality or
                             | consensual hallucination.
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Subject: Re: Oh no!  Not the Alien/Aliens thing again!!
From: kait@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:38:16 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan2.234809.15898@sura.net>, wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.173607.994@scorch.apana.org.au> jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au (Jim Garner) writes:
> 
> Personally, I don't see why everyone thinks these methods are mutually
> exclusive - after all, some plants can reproduce both sexually and
> asexually, why can't the Aliens have more than one reproductive
> process? - but that's what "Alien" and "Aliens" groupies get into
> clashes over the most.
> -- 
Precisely. when you consider that hte 'aliens' are supposed to be the ultimate
survival machine, a dual reproductive system would make the most sense, that
way they stand the best chance of surviving...

TH Anderson
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:39:31 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>> JURASSIC PARK >is< based on actual research being done. Just recently, the
>> people doing the research received a grant from the Smithsonian.

>Boy this statement makes you sound like a moron...

>Yes: there is research into ancient DNA.  

>Yes: amber trabbed insects and the blood they contain is one source 
>for said DNA.

>NO: there is no possible way to recreate said dinosaurs from said DNA.

>So the fact that the book is "based" on actual events is a pretty shoddy
>statement.  It's based, albeit *very* loosely, on many aspects of palentology
>in the past couple decades.  But then Crichton throws in a lot of hand waving
>and psudo-science to make it in to a fun work of science fiction.

Just to add one more to the list - where the hell did the period plants
come from? No blood, and even if there were larval insects that consumed
vegetation, the digestive process would make DNA from that source too
degraded to be useful.
 
But, wilful suspension of disbelief is required in all SF - we're just 
arguing about where to draw lines. I agree that a little more attention
to molecular biological reality (and for computers, I suppose) would
have helped.
 

-- 
Tom Hatton
hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
(415)-476-7986
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: THE QUIET EARTH
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:17:44 GMT
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg

In article <1993Jan4.231333.18629@midway.uchicago.edu> ror1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>
>Has any one out there seen the New Zeland film "The Quiet Earth" circa 1985?
>
>It is aboslutely not only one of my favorite sf films, but also one of my 
>favorite films all around.  But the ending is a little vague, so I was
>wondering other people's thoughts on it.
>
>In the end, is Zac supposed to be in heaven?  If not, why is Saturn appearing
>immediately in the background?
>
According to my admittedly vague memory of this movie Zac forces some 
sort of Quantum Event to occur which propels him *elsewhere* (alternate
universe, different planet) this also has the theoretical effect of
restoring Earth to it's pre-experiment state. I think that the ending
was intentionally left vague. I don't think he was anywhere near Saturn
since none of Saturn's moons is capable of supporting unprotected 
human life.

>At the end, why does Zac look at the tape recorder he has somehow brought with
>him to wherever he is, and then toss it to the ground (at least this is what
>I seem to remember seeing)?
>Does Zac save the earth in the end?  
>
This is never explained and I liked the ambiguity of it. The fantasy
aspect of having a completely new planet available for your personal
use/exploration was pretty nifty.

As for throwing away the tape recorder, what's he going to do with
it in his new locale? Seemed as if he was going to abandon his 
previous life and start all over again on the new planet. Sensible
move I think.

>If so, are all the humans brought back to life, or does "all reality" simply
>maintain itself as it was after humanity was mostly killed off?
>
There wouldn't have been much point to Zac's sacrifice if it didn't 
restore the planet to it's previous state.

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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R*A*I*)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Searching for Star Wars
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:10:54 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Does antyone know of a channel that airs or will air Star Wars?
I would like to tape it.
I have a really poor copy I got in the late 70's and since I have aquired good
copies of Empire and Return of the Jedi.
Rai.

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From: dfinch@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Finch)
Subject: Comment on this Group!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:59:45 GMT

Pardon me for interupting your forum, but I had to
post to say that this group has some of the most
polite, courteous posters in all of Netland. 

Truly, I see, friendly, heartwarming greetings, like
"Howdy", and "Hi there <firstname>", not to mention the
"take care, good day to you, Bye for now," endings.  No
rude flames at people with differing opinions on certain
movies, no cussin', no inflammitory comments.  Truly, a 
civilized forum for intelligent discourse.  Congratulations.

Have a nice day.

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

charlesk@sfu.ca  (all mail to be send to dfinch@sfu.ca)
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