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From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: murdering tamil names
Date: 19 Jul 92 14:52:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
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In article <2A68AFEA.20078@noiro.acs.uci.edu> sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M.  
Sundaramoorthy) writes:
> In article <1992Jul18.225107.11536@cs.odu.edu> raj@news.cs.odu.edu (M. P.  
Krishna Raj) writes:
> 
> 	chennap pattanam (Madras)      chennai
> 	koyamuththoor                  kOvai
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
          was previously "koniyammanputhur" after the residing diety
          "koniyamman". The cart festival of this diety is still a
          major event in the city!

> 	thiruchchiraappaLLi             thiruchchi
> 	poovirundhavalli (poonamalli)  poovai
> 
> 
> Thanks
> M. Sundaramoorthy

Muhtukrishnan



S. N. Muthukrishnan                   muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
From: VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil Literature in English, Writer Narayanan
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:19:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The following is posted here for a friend of mine.  South Illinois 
University @ Carbondale does not subscribe to USENET.  Suresh gets
SCTamil stuff via UMass.

Vicky:
UMass,
July 21
++++++

Please post the following in SCT.
Suresh...

------------------------------------------------------------------

    Fiona  Webster's  appreciative words about Tamil language and
    culture  were  heartening  to  note.  Translations  of recent
    Tamil  literature  seem  to be scarce.  Even if there are any,
    I  do  not think they are available in the US on a wide-scale.
    ACT  carried  translations  of some Tamil short-stories. Hope
    we will be able to see more on SCT too.

    By the way, R.K. Narayan is not a Hindi writer. He is a Tamil
    who  writes  in English. I consider his writings South Indian
    in soul, spirit and form and would recommend them to any non-
    Tamil who is interested in Tamil Culture.


Arul Suresh
gr8888@siucvmb.siu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: chepan@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Parthasarathy Nambi)
Subject: Re: Linguistic barrier ?
Keywords: National integration
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:28 GMT

espdm@warwick.ac.uk (RANGANATHA RAO GURURAJ) writes:

>Vanakkam.

>I was chatting with my Pak pal last night and an interseting aspect
>came up. He was saying that Japanese and Germans have made rapid
>strides because their language had science in them. They need not have
>to switch over from their national language to English to learn
>science at higher levels like Postgraduation, Research and so on.

 What do you mean by "...their national language had [?] science in
 them."

 Fact: Doing good science has nothing to do with what language you use.
 Germans used to dominate science until Hitler came and destroyed the
 country. Only after WWII English-speaking countries such as US and
 UK etc became big powers in science. 

 What is needed to be a scientifically productive society is an
 atmosphere and a political system that encourages critical and bold
 thinking without fear of persecution. And coupled with sincere
 recognition of talent and accomplishments of individuals who excel
 in their chosen field.

 U.S has benefited enormously because of these characteristics in
 this society. 

 Later

 P.Nambi

>Mikka nandri

>R Gururaj

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rr@lems24.lems.brown.edu (Natarajan Raju Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Re: I Want to Learn Tamil!
Organization: LEMS, Brown University, Providence, RI, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:46 GMT

Professor George Hart (Dept. of South and South East Asian Studies at UC
Berkeley) and his wife, Kausaliya Hart put out some good introductory Tamil
books and tapes.  I am sure you can get in touch with them through the
university.
...>Raju

   From: jost@butch.coyote.trw.com (Patrick Jost)
   Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:43:43 GMT

   I'm interested in learning Tamil. I have a nifty Mac font for Tamil, but
   that's all.

   Any help would be appreciated.


   Patrick

--
...>Raju Ramakrishnan
From: naik@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Raghunandan Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Iddlis and Stuff
Keywords: Saaambr & iddlis
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:29:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.




Here, in front of you, is a question that has been bothering man since the 
creation of time or Iddls, whichever came first..



	Naalu iddli ambathu kasukku evvalavu ??
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: TE News - Ignore the news!
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:07:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Bs8CM0.MD8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes...
>Now to all those who "threaten to quit SCT" unless TE/LTTE news stops,
>my request is "LEAVE NET AND GOTO HELL".  The TE/LTTE news will not stop.
> 
>Meenan Vishnu


Oh! Is this LTTE attitude or what? (We will kill all tamils/non-tamils if they
do not agree to our views. Let them go to hell!)

Is this a request or an order from Herr. Tiger?

RT
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Linguistic Barrier
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:26:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ePg5xa00VAw4KU0gl
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


English is increasingly becoming the language of scientific communication:
I think already 50% and growing of scientific publications are in English.
While India should strive to popularize and teach science in all of her
languages, those who are entering a scientific or technical career should
also learn English. Translation services and translations of important
papers and books (say, gauged by the number of citations received in the
citation index) should also be available.

History tells us that India was hurt in part because of a lack of exposure
to the outside world. English provides a convenient window to keep us in
touch.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: "Pallu-p-paattu"
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:39:45 GMT

In article <Bs5MMI.8Fo@acsu.buffalo.edu> krishna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Krishnamoorthy.S.) writes:
>rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar) writes:
>: pal, pallu = tooth
>: 
>Correction. It  is from the  movie: Rishimoolam (almost  an anagram of
>thirisoolam) 
>krishna


nayinaaaa!! vudunga nainaaa.
seththa pAmbukooda intha pAdu pattirukkAdhu.
ennA uthai, ennA adi..
sAtthu sAtthu-nnu sAtthunnu sAtthit-teengalEyyAA.
vuttu veLAsit-teengalEyyAA.

vudungayA yOv, thayavu seidhu vudungayA..

natpudan
S_Bala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran Thayumanavan)
Subject: konjam siriyungal, udhaya...
Summary: joke
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:13:31 GMT
Keywords: konjam siriyungal


enna udhaya,

sample jokodu niruthi vittral enna artham.  anandavikatan joke nall
a irundadhu. melum niraiya varum endru ethirparthaen, parkkiraen.

anban,
thayumanavan
From: rsivasan@sedona.intel.com (Rajkumar Sivasankaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: RAJINI,THE NEXT C.M ??
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:26:41 GMT
Reply-To: rsivasan@sedona.intel.com
Organization: EMD Group, Intel Corporation, chandler, AZ
Originator: rsivasan@sedona



	Heard the same thing from my friend who just returned from Madras last week.
They even have T-SHIRTS featuring Rajinikanth

	If the TN politics continue this way, our state will fall way below other states
in almost every departments(education, industry, etc.,)


Raj
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:451 alt.culture.tamil:1073
From: rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Reply to TN News
Date: 30 Jul 1992 13:15:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


This is in regard to M.Vishnu's  latest TN News update. If one goes
through the article there is unjustifiable proof of LTTE propaganda.
Thsi newsgroups was established not for propaganda but for people to
share tamil culture.
	Statements like Rajnikant will be the next TN chief minister
do not amount to propoganda.

I hope that Mr.M.Vishnu will understand the situation and stop posting
such propagandist news to the newsgroup. If some people want to hear a
lot more of LTTE's latest terrorist attacks on innocent people they
can request Mr.Vishnu to mail them separately a copy of TE News daily.

rammohan




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: tamil word for airconditioner
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:48:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.183550.1@draco.rutgers.edu>, viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu writes:
> 
> 
> Does anybody know the Tamil word for 
> 1) airconditioner
> 2) banisters (of a staircase)?
> 
> P.V. Viswanath

  For airconditioner one can use a number of words such as the following:

     kaaRRu pathani < pathan seithal is to condition
     vaLi_p_pathani  < vaLi means kaaRRu ; note sooRaa_vaLi = hurricane
                    [ digressing a bit "vaLi" is a very useful word for
                     coining technical terms and vaLi had been *extensively*
                     used in literature. For example( technical terms)
                     consider the triplet
                     solid = thiNmam, thiNmapporuL
                     liquid = niirmam, niirmapporuL ( niir polvana)
                     gas    = vaLimam, vaLimapporuL ( vaLi polvana)
                     { for fluid we can use paaimam < paaithal = to flow
                          paaimapporuL; oxygen oru paaimam athE pol 
                           kerosene, nalleNNai muthaliyanavum paaimamE;
                           En ? paivathaal. A mischievous might ask since
                            horse is "paaikirathu" can we call it paimam,
                            I might say that paaimaa is horse < ma = animal
                             and it is used in literature !}

                     Ofcourse for airplane, airmail and numerous words
                     we can use vaLi and kaaRRu etc. Some examples
                     airplane = vaLi_oorthi, vaLi_unthu
                     airpost, aimail = vaLi_anjal etc. etc.
      One can also coin many other interesting words for "airconditioner"
     but what is important is to bring out a 10-20 page illustrative 
     books containing exciting new info with fine illustrations about 
     airconditioners etc. and popularizing them by buying these books and 
     spreading to younger generation. I don't think the technical words are
     as important as "thamizhvazhi kaRRal". More can be said but not in this
     article. 

    banister = kaippidi, padi_kkaippidi ?? maadippadi kaippidi 
              If you certainly want a new word we can think of words like
              "kaappidi" < kaa = to protect, to safeguard and 
              and similar ones.
              [ I do know that sometimes the word banister might not just mean
                the rails but rather the spindles in which case a thooN can be
                used; suri_thoon is fluted thooN]

anbudan,

Selva Selvakumar

                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: ...S Ve Sekar Jokes...
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:25:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.001310.13356@rice.edu>, dorai@cs.rice.edu (Dorai Sitaram) writes:
|> What's the setup behind writing S. Ve. Sekar's initials thusly?  As
|> far as I can piece it, a Tamizh initial is the initial syllable
|> (sometimes two as in Ira. Cezhiyan, or Azha. Azhakappan, e.g.).
|> Presumably "Ve." is such a Tamizh initial -- it is a syllable and
|> can't be an English initial.  However "S." can't be a Tamizh initial
|> -- it is not a syllable --, although its monoalphabetitude could make
|> it an English initial.  Is the mixup of the initial styles deliberate?

I think he was S. V. Sekar originally, and changed it then to this for
numerological reasons (recall "Srikkanth", for instance).

Regards,
Aravind.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: TE News - Ignore the news!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:39:35 GMT

In article <30JUL199216441408@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu> shivakl@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR) writes:
>Hi,
>In spite of the innumerous requests to stop the TE news 
>Mr.Vishnu is bent on posting the news.
>
>The best thing for all of us to do now would be to ignore
>all his postings on that subject and just skip any mails on 
>the TE news.  The more flames we create, the more encouragement 
>it would give Mr.Vishnu to post more of the TE news.
>
>
>Regards,
>Shiva

That is a good idea.  If the posting is not relevant to you, skip
it.  I skip a lot articles discussing SVS Jokes/movies/etc.

Now to all those who "threaten to quit SCT" unless TE/LTTE news stops,
my request is "LEAVE NET AND GOTO HELL".  The TE/LTTE news will not stop.

Meenan Vishnu
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Criticisms on Meenan Vishnu in the net
Date: 30 Jul 1992 11:04:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

   Criticisms on Meenan Vishnu in the net
------------------------------------------
     I have read many postings in the net
 criticizing Meenan Vishnu for posting
 news items from Toronto newspapers.  
     It is after reading these criticisms
 that I went back to read these questioned
 items which I skipped when I saw them
 first. 
     Meenan Vishnu posted only the news
 summary and as they stand, I don't see
 them as `LTTE propaganda'. One finds such
 items in regular newspapers in India like
 "Times of India", "Indian Express" etc.
 Does it mean that those dailies are doing
 `LTTE propaganda' by printing developments
 in Sri-lanka ?
     How many of us read all news items in
 a newspaper we read like "Times Of India" ?
 I don't read all items and I read mostly
 news items pertaining Tamilnadu and sports
 items. I read national news appearing on 
 the first page only and skip other national
 news in the middle pages. Do we all take     
 part in a nation-wide strike to demand 
 "Times of India" not to post any news on
 what is going on Sri-lanka ? We don't do     
 that and we assume that such news items are
 posted for those who would like to know the
 developments in Sri-lanka.
     But, when Meenan Vishnu posts similar
 news items from Toronto newspapers, many
 readers in the net disapprove such items as
 `LTTE propaganda' and demand Meenan Vishnu
 to stop posting such news items. Meenan
 Vishnu, in his reply to the netters, points  
 out that Jayantha Herath is posting TE news
 in some aliases. I have read his article also.
 Jayantha Herath's article was not new to me
 either. I have read such news columns in Indian
 dailies as well. But we don't protest when we 
 find LTTE news in them.
      Do I see a double standard here ?
                                      S.Pandian
                                sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: agu@uwasa.fi (Angappa Gunasekaran)
Subject: Re: Please start a news group soc.cul.indian.tamil that is moderated.
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.231622.28707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> prv@po.CWRU.Edu (Pallassana R. Venkataraman) writes:
>
>Dear netters, 
>	I have been offlate seeing too much of propaganda of LTTE on this net.
>	So I would suggest that we start soc. culture. indian. tamil which is 
>	moderated. 
>	I am disappointed to see my vote go this way. 
>	Luckily unlike in politics this net, does have a time period for 
>	its existence. Hence I request the persons concerned to start a new
>	newsgroup. 
>	I just can't tolerate seeing articles which says there may be 
>	justification for assasination of Rajiv. How soon we have forgotten 
>	the kural whos translation goes, " Do onto the person  so good deeds, 
>	such that he regrets what he has done for you ". I taught this 
>	newsgroup would be an example for other culture people to follow. 
>	Alas what has happened. I suggest that change because  I always beleive
>	in the fact that one can never reason out with morones.
>	Discretion is better than valour. Only way to do it is to start the 
>	newgroup and see to it that it is moderated, if necessary by a panel, 
>	just to make sure no one is biased. 
>	I hope somebody would listen and take action at the earliest.
>	Thanks for you time and patience
>	Cheers
>	venkat raman



I am absolutely against this idea. We stand united
as there should not be any division like SL Tamils
and INDIAN Tamils. 

Cheers.

Guna.










-- 
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University of Vaasa     	Tel(w):  +358 61 248 338	
65101  Vaasa, Finland 		Fax   :  +358 61 248 208
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Naangaam Tamil
Keywords:  Tamil, Science, Education, Language
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:40:50 GMT


     There are many sceptical views expressed against learning science through
Indian languages.   The following are the important ones often utilized by the
pro-English lobbyists.

     (i) Scripts of Indian languages are too many and unsuitable for using in
computers and scientific instruments.

     (ii) Technical terms cannot be translated into Indian languages.

     (iii) We have too many languages and that we cannot afford to spend money
in preparing all the languages for science.

     (iv) When all the languages grow in science, we cannot develope a united
opinion/feeling in India and it will lead to disintegration of our states.

     (v) When the scientists or engineers are educated in mother tongue how
will they interact with their fellowmen in other Indian states or other
countries.

     (vi) How the educated people will migrate and live in other states and
will it not stifle the free transfer of talents and opportunities between our
states.

     (vii) Will it not affect the recruitment for jobs or studies by creating
langauge biases.

     Well, I can quote a few examples from other countries and also give a few
thoughts in the next posting.



S.Sankarapandi
ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:496 alt.culture.tamil:1093
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: "LTTE NEWS - SORRY FOR THE 22ND FOLLOW-UP"
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:57:35 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Hi

Sorry for the "22"nd article following those 3 junk articles.

I could have avoided posting this but still... . I was the first person
to oppose an ordinary posting of Mr.M.Vishnu when the letters
"TE" appeared in one of his postings. I just told it will
land us in lot of trouble. Now my worst fears have come true.

I don't understand how discussins about CHO or RAJINI and Mr.M.Vishnu's
postings are of same "class". If people say, they are, then there
is no point in arguing with them.

You can use "KILL". When the same suggestion was given on SCI
against SCT we laughed at them. Now we are advicing the same
medicine in our own group. I don't want to elaborate on this.


Now the "BIG QUESTION"
**********************

   If Mr.M.Vishnu's articles are purely NEWS-ITEMS as viewed by
   some people (including Mr.Pandian - it is a surprise to me
   Mr.Pandian - more about this to your mail box if I find time)

   1. Why there was no such "NEWS-ITEM" in ACT during the VOTING PERIOD
      of SCT. Was that newspaper out of business. Or may be Mr.Vishnu
      was too busy that time to read them and post on the net.
      I see this as a PLANNED ACT. He avoided posting those articles as
      SCT wouldn't have been possible if these articles were posted
      earlier. You are really smart Mr.Vishnu.


Anyway I would like to conclude by saying few more things.

	We vote for so many parties in INDIA with high hopes.
	Atleast I have done this twice and was totally disappointed.
	Now this will be my third disappointment. Atleast we
	suspect something and are prepared for a shock when
	we vote for a POLITICAL PARTY. But I never thought
	NET is same like politics.

	But one thing. I will not quit SCT for any reason. It
		       ----------------------------------  --
	is my own newsgroup. I will try my best to curtail/
	-------------------
	condemn the misuse of SCT.



BTW one more request to some knowledgable person :

	I think Mrs.Gandhi's assasination probe was also
	banned from being published if I remember correct.
	If so there is nothing new now. But I am not
	sure. I hope someone who knows it well will post
	the facts.



PK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Thamiz Eezam News (LTTE Propaganda)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:59:44 GMT


In article <Bs7I48.9Gz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr4.uwaterloo.ca (Meenashi Vishnu) writes...
> 
>Dear Netters:
> 
> 
>I will continue to post news items from Toronto newspapers.  If you
>want to take it as LTTE propaganda that is fine with me.  But I

So many people requested not to post. But if you continue to post it shows your
respect for netters opinion ! (democratic traditions of LTTE)

> 
>I will not yield to pressures of 'thamizp-pahaivar' either from within
>the Tamil community or outside it. 
> 
>Meenan Vishnu

thamizhp-pahaivar = anyone who oppose LTTE

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.Indian
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu ( Affable)
Subject: Looking for Nandakumar
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:01:05 GMT


  My friend Ravi Durairaj is looking for one Nandakumar who
studied with him in Padma Seshadhri School, Madras. He must
be in some University in Louisiana. He finished his B.E in
'89. Required are his e-mail add. and home phone #. Any help
will be appreciated. Reply to me and I shall pass the message
to Ravi.

Cheers,
Venkat

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venkat@menudo.uh.edu                  | If it comes back, it is yours.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: chepan@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Parthasarathy Nambi)
Subject: Need accommodation overnight!
Summary: Need accommodation overnight
Keywords: Travel, accommodation
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:45:51 GMT

  


  Hi,

 I am moving from Atlanta to Seattle at the end of August and I need
 a place stay overnight at the following cities. If any one can provide
 overnight accommodation I will greatly appreciate it.

 The cities I need accommodation are:

 Nashville, TN

 St.Louis, MO  or Urbana-Champaign, IL

 Omaha, Nebraska

 Cheyenne, Wyoming

 Salt Lake City, Utah

 I promise that I will reciprocate your hospitality if and when you
 come to Seattle area.

 Please send e-mail to :  chepan@gsusgi1.gsu.edu

 Mailing address: 1386F  Southland Vista Court, Atlanta, GA 30329
                  (404)-728-0086 (Home) or (404)-651-3865 (Work)

 Thanks.


 P.Nambi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic