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From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline S.C. Goh)
Subject: Re: M'sian News (Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 07:09:09 GMT

Tai,

You don't know how much your effort has been appreciated.

Of course, if it is not too much, I would be so grateful for more.
I think I can safely say, a lot of us out there do feel that a word of thanks in
appreciation is due. And, although, I cannot speak for the others out there,
I give my sincere thanks.

BTW, what is this Dr Mahathir having a massive heart failure..??


Goh.
From: goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:06:13 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bode.usc.edu

In article <3281@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:

>...... What I am saying is its is not a matter of whether you
>apply or not ! What is there to apply for the non-bumi 's ? Then 
>again I am not saying that 0.00% non-bumis being offered any
>gov't scholarships. May .01% but even then most proably through
>some 'connections'. As for the private scholarships advertised
>like Bank Bumi, MTC, & some other foundations, the non-bumi's
>have a better chance, but still extremely limited. 

Here are some facts:

At present, JPA gives out at least 10-20 (would this be 0.01%?
Perhaps some JPA scholars can tell us) scholarships (officially "loans",
depends on how you look at it) each year to non-bumiputras for 
A levels in Malaysia leading to studies in UK universities.
At least a few of these scholarships are given to those with no
connections whatsoever.  Trust me, I know, 'cos my brothers were
among the lucky ones.  Sime Darby, Shell and the British High
Commission also give scholarships open to non-bumiputeras for studies 
in the UK for graduate and undergrad studies, last I heard.
It's quite possible to get these scholarships even with no connections
whatsover.

Of course, the fact remains that there is a very large number
of very well qualified non-bumiputera students compared to the 
number of scholarships available.  

The enterprising student can also try the rich US universities.
I've ~heard~ that at least two or three Malaysians hit ...jackpot..
every year.

Hope this is of some interest.

Regards,

K.C. Goh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Macintosh price info.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:18:48 GMT

Dear fellows,

	Recently, when I went home I have noticed a change in our computer
development. According to one of my friend who works at a computer network
company in P.J. the companies are now going towards Macintosh instead of
IBM. So, the trend is changing now I suppose. Is this true? Can anyone
clarify this information or give more information on what kind of computer
are widely used there?
	Also, how much a MacIIsi with 100MB harddrive, 5MB RAM will
cost at Malaysia? Is a lot of people buying computer now for their personal
use? Is our society going towards the computer world or still afraid to 
use it?

	
Geeva .
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: modems for BBS  (Long)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:14:25 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1aj5d9INNeuf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lim@merlion.ins.cwru.edu (Hock Koon Lim) writes:
> not know much about telephone system in Malaysia but most moderm telephone
> system has no problem to support V.22bis(2400bps) modulation at all. With
> new error correction standard like V.42 (MNP3,4), it can run very well in
> the area that don't have digital phone switch.

	I know my friend uses a 2400 baud modem in the KL area.  Don't know if
the lines outside of major cities and towns have any problems tho.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tva@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking For: Chua Siew Lee(Malaysian)
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:47:40 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

HI ! Is anyone know a girl , Chua Siew Lee who just from Malaysia , Simpang 
     recently ? She came as an undergraduate student in one of the U in U.S.A.
     If anyone knows here ,please send her information so I can contect with 
     her. Thanks for advance.
      
          Btw , my name is Tan, Min Chat.
   
                   Thanks.
From: espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Voon Hin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking for Mr. Hew Voon Kong of GINTIC INSTITUTE OF CIM, NTU, S'pore
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:55:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

I am looking for Mr. Hew Voon Kong of Gintic Institute of CIM, NTU
Singapore. If anybody know his net address, please e-mail me. My
e-mail address is below:


	espcs@csv.warwick.ac.uk


Thankx.
From: lwkhw@bristol.ac.uk (K H Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Ask For Help
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:01:41 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England


Dear Friends,

I am a PhD student in Faculty of Law, University of Bristol, England.
A part of my research is about the fishery issues of Southeast Asian
countries, especially the ASEAN member states, and South China Sea.  
 
I need to contact with relative organisations and authorities. If there
is any one who knows how to contact with them, either by conventional mail
or E-Mail, please tell me. Your kind assistance would be very helpful.

Thank you again for your kind help.

Kuan-Hsiung WANG (Mr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: WHY SO BELLIGERENT?
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:34:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!  Lately, I have seen a lot of postings starting from defence and fighter
purchases by ASEAN countries (such as Malaysia and Singapore) ending up on how
the war between the two or three gonna look like. Are you guys really want to
see those things happen?  Do you really want to get into WAR?  Or do you
wish to live longer?  Why many people want to discuss about war when we can
live in peace?  When we want to create more belligerent situations when this
planet is full of people killing each other?  Isn't that enough?  Let's talk
about more fruitful discussion.  Itu saja.

Hibatur Rahman Ahmad
Lehigh University
Pennsylvania

                        "I DO LOVE MY HOMELAND"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:03:12 GMT


In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:

>Me Mann,
>
>	Well, I suppose everyone is not as rational as you're to interpret
>my posting like you did. I did suggest few topics that he can talk about if
>he doesn't know what to talk about. I'm hoping your listing above will help
>or give some idea to others of what to discuss to make this newsgroup a lot
>more interesting to read.
>
>	Keep up with the good stuff !!!
>

Action speaks louder than words. Start a thread yourself and then
come back and talk to me.


ATAN




>
>Geeva Subramaniam
>University Computer Services
>Bowling Green State University
>
>
>
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: KL (Was Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu)
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:52:06 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <2AC4E6E2.4666@news.service.uci.edu>, cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
> "Singapore in an excellemt example......excellent enviroment."
> 
> I wondet what Othman is referring to.  As far as I know, all major
> tourist spots are MAN MADE, like How Par Villa, Sentosa, Chinese Garden,
> Bird Park, Botanical Garden (Artificially planted).....the list go on
> and on.  About saving the environment, has Singapore started promoting
> recycling yet, besides the old fashion kalang-guni ?

	I don't know what Othman is refering to, but personally, I find that
Singapore's air is cleaner than downtown KL.  You can actually get a layer of
grime and dirt on your face if you go downtown in a bus!!  Anyone tried
touching the leaves of the greens that is suppose to beautify our fair city? 
*ugh*  Then there's those smoking vehicles.  
	At least PJ's not so bad, tho it is getting worse and worse each year. 
I do hope our govt can clean up the city by 1997 for the big games.  Oh yeah,
did anyone notice?  I think they declared 1993 Visit Malaysia Year again, if I
am not mistaken.
	Ciao.

-Tai
From: mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (M Maiseh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:05:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.200838.1421@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, hmeedin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct2.130839.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> > In article <1992Oct01.112437.24735@bnr.uk>, bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
> 
> hey sambal tumis udang
> hey ikan panggang
> hey roti canai
> hey cendol
> hey bubur kacang
> hey ondeh ondeh
> hey kueh keria
> hey jemput pisang

oohhh man!!!!....you really make me miss M'sia....okay...as the title said..
let's cut all the crap....how about we started give out the "recipies"..

so as, the beginning....how about 'kueh cucur'......  

2 cups of flour
1 cup of water
2 eggs
1/2 tablespoon of salt
1 onion
anchovies(ikan bilis)...

How to do....

1. Mix everything...!!! :) as you mix...you can put more water...but
   not to much okay...

2. prepare your pan with hot cooking oil...than fried it until the color turn
   to yellow but not too much and not too little.....
   you will know after two three times...

3. Than its reads to eat...

4. one more..wait for a moment for it too cold down...if not...

I know, it surely can be improve more. So, any suggestions from outhere
esp from Miss Yasmin.....who started this interesting topic... 

arios amigooo...got to go..

regards
-mm

--
From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 3 Oct 1992 10:42:44 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: langtry.cs.utexas.edu

In article <3OCT199208240648@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>
>Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty underwear in your
>advanced country too?  Or for allowing your dick to hang on the wrong
>side of your zipper?
>
>Laurence
>

No, you don't get fined for dirty underwear, but do do get your willie
cut off for use some underwear brandname for first name though.

goodd'ay God Fry,

-Osbert


-- 
                                     _ _
---------------------------------ooo--U--ooo------------------------------------
fellow@cs.utexas.edu  Standard disclaimer applies. My opinions are, simply mine.
"heng2 mei2 leng3 dui4 qian1 fu1 zi3, fu2 shao3 gan1 wei2 ru2 zi3 nu2" Lu3 Xiu4
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: New newsgroup for the military diehards?
Summary: get a life......
Keywords: (see Summary)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:05:31 GMT

I've been reading s.c.a. and have been totally annoyed ..well....more like 
irritated that there have been so many postings about Mig29s and F16s.
So how does a new newsgroup get started anyway? I think that it's only 
appropriate to call it alt.military-weapons.fighterjets.asean ?

If I'm not wrong, s.c.a stands for social.culture.asean ...culture, 
nothing to do with weapons, eh?.
And when asked to talk about some other subjects, how often do we hear the
subject "f-o-o-d" coming up? It seems like there is nothing else interesting
in the asean region that is really worth talking about except food. Interesting

How about stuff like social issues? Like how in this part of the world are 
liberal views taken? Are we still as conservative as the Westerners see
us? etc....

Food....Mig29s...F16s..... :D

Hank
ongh@iastate.edu
From: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Singapore Visa for Indian visitor ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:51:19 GMT


My friend will be in transit in Singapore for 20 hours on the way 
from LA to Madras.  He wants to know whether he needs a visa to leave
the airport during this time period.  If necessary, suggestions about
the procedure to obtain one would be appreciated.

Please email responses to raman@translab.its.uci.edu.

Thank You.
From: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@pandora.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:30:50 GMT


|> Oh well. I am still the lone Dunman Alumnus on the network, I guess.
|> Singapore chinese school graduates in Universities were a rare breed
|> when I entered university and I guess it is extinct now.
|> 
|> Khun Yee
|> --


Don't be discouraged.  I'm one of those and I'm still around.  In
fact my graduating class from Chinese High in 1980 adapted to the
changing language culture very well and we all survive and doing 
well (I'm grateful to my English teacher for this).  

My class had 38 students and at the last count at least 30
of us graduated from universities.  Few of them went on to do master
degrees and there are 3 in the process of getting PhD in the US right
now.

As far as I know there are at least 3 Chinese High alumni who are 
lecturers in the Faculty of Engineering at NUS.  There could be more.
And I know of another one from River Valley High School.


Kelvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:23:59 GMT


In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:

[gulp-gulp]

>Are you saying that the chinese and indians are as discrimiated as the Blacks
>in South Africa? I've never met any situation where complete discrimation is
>absent, even in USA? In fact it is worse for the chinese in USA than in
>Malaysia, not only they have to pay higher taxes, they also have to tolerate
>blatant discrimination in jobs in both government and private sectors.
>	Sometimes even unemployed are discriminated because of his color,
>by both blacks and whites alike.

Since Othman "Mr.Facts-all-others-are-stoopid" Ahmad is speaking here, please 
show me some proof/facts/statistics that the Chinese pay higher taxes
in the USA...

>: people! Ooo, we can't have *that*, now, can we?)
>: 
>: It was wrong for non-Malay businessmen to discriminate against Malays.
>: It is just as wrong for the Malay-controlled government to discriminate
>: against Indians and other non-Malays.
>The non-Malay businessmen had blatantly and openly discriminated against other
>races.
>	Have you proven that the Malaysian government had done that? No. You
>have not even quoted all the arguments that I had put forward. Do you know
>what they are? I do not even bother to find out. You just ignore it. At least
>you comment on them so that people can judge wheter they are right or not.
>	I am fed up with racist people like you, who only think that they are
>right, nobody else is right, even when "clear evidence" is shown to"you".
>Have you given any evidence, none. Only lies.
>	Tell me, any fact other than accusation in your current post.
>
>I do not bother to present facts because you ignore them. Do not even read 
>them. What is the point of talking to you?
>
>The Malays  have complete political and military power in Malaysia.
>However they have not executed it for "economic power" or even ethnic cleansing,
>against stubborn people like you, who unfortunately is the majority.
>
>If people like you were to be given the absolute power, I'm sure you have
>no restrain to use it to the extent of "ethnic cleansing".


From the above post, I sense that a net-war is just about to erupt. So 
YA'LL go ahead without me first, ya?  Meantime, I'll just enjoy my popcorn 
and "rojak".  :)


ATAN


>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Fishing in Asean
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:25:44 GMT


  Can anybody in netnews post fishing places in Asean.
  I'm obsessed by fishing , I wolud like to know what kind of fish and
  where and what technique or bait to use. 
    Saltwater or  freshwater. would be ok.

     Last summer when i went back to Indonesia Medan , i brought all my 
 fishing rod in a tube case. and it is at the time of Desert shield ,
 so the security were tight . i was asked to open my fishing rod case
 everytime i checked in. probably the security guys saw me as chinese 
 terrorist with a bazooka . but mostly they will smile when they saw my
 fishing rod.  this invites funny looks as when i pass tru Hong Kong
 custom. they made me open the case and i have to demonstrate fishing
 to drive home what it really is.  tsk tsk you all should see the middle
 age couple behind me. 

     And any body doing fly fishing back in South east Asia. ???
 I know several fresh water fish will suck (eat) floating insects.
 may be they can also be trick to take the hand ties flies.??

    I like to be different . last summer i went to a public pond
 to catch Gourami. and Carp (Gold fish / ind: ikan emas ). 
 every body i doing bobber fishing while i use plastic grubs.
 every body thought i was moron but they drop teir jaw when i catch my
 fish. 
    Now i would try to drop their head by using fly fishing.
 just imagine this guy come with 9 foot pole and the thickest line
 they have ever saw. and attach a stupid tiny looking flies.
 whip the pole as if it is a whip and "CATCH A FISH "

   i really want to know .please  post fisherman of ASEAN 

 P.S : On the way back here i try fishing off the Tsim Tsa Shui pier
       only little fish. any way i'm too busy sight seeing.

 I'm a fisherman hence my nick name "Muskie" (
 Muskie
 Uk07802@mik.uky.edu
 Smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu
  71054,2723  compuserve

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:56:26 GMT


In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:

>Hey pal,
>
>	That was a very delicious listing of M'sian food but unfortunately I'm
>not there to enjoy it. You don't just have to talk about food!!!!
>		Don't tell me you don't know anything else to talk about?
>Let me give you a list of things that you can talk about if you don't have any.
>
>1 --> Malaysian economics (job employment, living style and cost)
>2 --> Malaysian education system
>3 --> Malaysian politics (current issues.. and not Mig29 or F16)
>4 --> Country's latest development
>5 --> Sports
>6 --> and etc........
>
>So, lets be little bit more open minded here. I'm not against anybody. I just
>didn't same articles to be posted hundred times and arguing each others 
>capabilities of attacking one and another.


Hey...whatever I talk about does not have to suit your apetite. We
have an open newsgroup here and certainly don't need you to police it.

You listed some very interesting topics above. If you're THAT 
open-minded why not write an article yourself? If I feel like
it, I'll contribute. I happen to like food and that is what
I chose to talk about. Afterall, with your "open-mindedness",
I'm sure you'd agree that FOOD IS ALSO PART OF CULTURE, no?

BTW: I've received a couple of emails from other people on
     the topic of food. Anybody interested in recipes???



We don't need no police,
ATAN



>
>I hope to read more interesting articles from now on in this newsgroup.
>
>Geeva Subramaniam
>University Computer Services
>Bowling Green State University
>
>
>
>
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:37:34 GMT
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Sep30.063949.7453@nuscc.nus.sg>, kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan) writes:
$ In article <BvDHGo.6Dp@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
$ ]>Does that mean Catholic High or Chinese High?  For fans of the latter I
$ ]>am happy to report that our alma mater ranked number 4 in the list of
$ ]>"best high schools" released by the govt.
$ ]
$ ]     I supposed that Raffles Institute ranks first as usual.  What about 
$ ]     the SAPschools, for example Dunman High?
$ 
$ 1.) RI
$ 2.) RGS
$ 3.) Dunman
$ 4.) Chinese High
$ (others firgotten)
$ 
$ I found it quite strange that well known schools like ACS and SJI were
$ not among the top ten.  I wonder what criteria were used.

  What else?  G.C.E "O" level exam results of the schools.

-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia to choose F16 or Mig29
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:35:14 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <lc95nlINNiuf@rub-al-khali.cs.utexas.edu>, fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan) writes:
> 
> First, a Malaysian asked a hypothetical question "how can Singaporean defence themselves if Malaysia were

	Are you sure?

> to cut off their water supply", then a second Malaysian speculated "they will take a part of Johor", and

	Definitely not the second.  Maybe the third or fourth... :)  But then
these first 2 are discussing.  Not murder or kiasu... :)  Defense is a highly
sensitive issue, with lots of people thinking that if you even *gasp* discuss
it, war will happen.  I, on the other hand think that if the population doesn't
have *ANY* idea of the defense capabilities of their motherland, they are going
to be in trouble if anything happens.  Look at history.  Humans have been
fighting for how many umpteenth years already?  Look at WW1 and WW2, and more
recently, the Iraq and Bosnia situations.  I think we are very lucky that we
live in a very stable region.  However, didn't China send a couple of soldiers
to the Spratlys??

> the third one jumped in " You Singaporean are sooooo Kia-Su". The forth, unforturnately, a Singaporean,
> got lured and confused, started screaming murder on the net. While the rest of the world, set around and
> smiled.

	You sure about the last bit?  I thought lots of people were getting
fed-up of the flame war...  I know I was...  Nearly entered my killfile.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:31:18 GMT

In article <3289@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:

It is absolutely wise of you not to call him names. When I first read
his post, upon reaching the line "ignorant fool......." I already
determined that he is no longer carrying on an intelectual discussion.
He then started to put words into the mouth of other netters.. words
that I did not even read in this thread. He started to stoop too low. 
So I decide not to follow up on his post. That's perhaps the best way to
reduce noise 8).

PS: Seems like he has replaced "Zam" . .errrrggg I am say this to
fast as there is already news that  malaysia will get on Internet
next year and perhaps Zam will be back.

-Mann