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From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:13:24 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: News Addicts

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

>cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe L Johnson) writes:

>>>>>Well, just look what Iseult posts when she thinks the four of us aren't
>>>>>reading!  Methinks she had better be nice, or she may find herself on
>>>>>the unexpected end of the crutch :^)

In the case of this particular one of the four, I *wasn't* reading! You
been slagging me again, Iseult, you both sides of a double-ended ****
you? It's been hard enough work just catching up on *mail* from here,
down the slow line under the ocean to castle ... 

>>>>Its not fair.  Those ...  those wagons keep stealing my crutch. 
Fenthe >>>>Ang Bethan, why even Tanaqui, please come and protect me from
them. 

Hmmmf!  *I* should be so lucky as to steal your crutch, dear!  Why, I
can't imagine getting anywhere near it without getting the other one in
my face ... er, as it were ...

>>If you were a proper femme, dear, you would not be concerned with giving
>>up your *ahem* crutch.

>Hey!  I self-identify as a femme, a *proper* femme I am.  You could 
>hardly call me butch now could you.  Look at how adorably I hold my
>poolcue.  I know I am not as expert with lipstick as you are, Coe,
>but then you did have the advantage of an American Girl upbringing.  

Well, as a girl who barely knows one end of a lipstick from another, *I*
could call you butch (especially since I can run faster than you ...)
But indeed, you do hold your pool cue *most* adorably, and the way you
just *pop* the balls down the pockets ...  <sigh>

>Anyway I guess they don't have mirrors in the desert!

Mirrors?  Hey, *no* lipstick bi babes need mirrors, desert or no!

Tanaqui says:

>>>Coe, could I have the privilege of -uh- applying the crutch after you?
>>>Otherwise I might be forced to help Iseult defend her sacred honour
|-)

Well I've never heard it called *that* before!

>Tanaqui, just what do you imagine yourself doing with the crutch.  I don't
>believe you have the same cructh-wielding skills as I do.  Anyway I have
>no honour so it doesn't need to be defended.  (Though I definitely need
>to be kept out of trouble)

Just as I thought, Iseult is totally dishonourable.  Thus it is hardly a
surprise that she needs to be kept out of trouble.  What with all these
women following you around every hour of the day as well.  I don't see
why we should have to help you out of these scrapes you get yourself
into, but if you *really* insist, I could stick around for a little
while longer, say a year, to protect you, despite the complete trauma of
staying in this terrible world of sun, hot bi babes and studs and hot
tubs - if you ask *very* nicely that is ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us)
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:21:10 GMT

In article <16r7v5INN9u4@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:
|In article <5658@ebt-inc.UUCP>, pks@queue.uucp (Pearl Stark) said:
|>I couldn't let this pass without plugging providence ...
|yeah, and soon to be even cooler ... and neater ...

   Might this have something to do with certain people moving there?
                  __
    david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:27:09 GMT

In <1992Aug21.202335.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>[soc.bi doesn't seem as playful as it used to be]
>Perhaps the "thrill" is gone for me.  Perhaps what I thought of as a
>great group just isn't for me anymore.

There is a youth group for GLBO folk here in Dublin. Many people who go
there when they first come out think that it's great. But then 6 months
or a year later they think it's crap. Has the group disimproved?
Perhaps. However, I think the main reason is that the youth group
serves the needs of people at a particular stage in their coming out
process. Once that stage has passed, the thrill of the group wears off
and people move on. It is possible that you feel the same way about
soc.bi.

On the other hand, if it is the case that there is not enough flirting
going on here then you can improve matters. Post the type of stuff _you_
want to see here and you'll probably see others respond in kind.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: queer brains?
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:45:46 GMT

Dave Ferguson (grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca) wrote:
 
> Y'know...this reminds me of a conversation I once had with my kinda-sorta-
> boyfriend-but-more-like-close-friends-and-we're-not-TOTALLY-committed-but-
> who-asked-YOU-anyway about whether homosexuality was "nature" or "nurture".
> [....]
> Basically, his point was that we are all born with the potential to be
> bisexual,....

Was his first name Sigmund, by any chance?

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Bethan's Birthday Greetings
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:11:05 GMT


In a previous article, chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy) says:

>
>In article <memo.566504@cix.compulink.co.uk> (soc.bi), cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
>> [raises baton to the virtual sky]
>> 
>> Hippo Birdy Two Ewes,
>> Hippo Birdy Two Ewes,
>> Hippo Birdy, Dear Ewe,
>> Hippo Birdy Two Ewes
>
>Yoks, my idea has been stolen.  I demand an e-flirt in payment.

You know, I've seen a similar card for christmas.  Something like
'wee fish ewe a mare egets moose' (I'm not sure about 'wee fish' -- I
think the fish was small. The words were written above for the benefit
of the impaired.  But you get the idea.)

>> Hugs
>
>And more hugs, a few slurps and nibbles for good measure.

You going to share with me?  Now I've contributed...

*hug* *tickle* *slurp*
>> 
>> Clive
>> 
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
>Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
>ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
>chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
>
Jeff

-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
|                                                   Lincoln, Nebraska|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sara@blkhole.resun.com (Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing))
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 09:15:33 GMT
Organization: News Addicts
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...

orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:

>  david parsons \/ "That's three trips where trainspotting lost big."

Hey come on, you saw at least, oh, three trains ...

Sara (the Thing from the Swamp)
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:29:38 GMT
	<bhhnbtmv@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
	<1992Aug12.162853.28349@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug12.162853.28349@midway.uchicago.edu> 
elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

   Kay writes:
   >Texas doesn't spring to mind as the bisexual centre of anything (face it,
   >it's Edinburgh or nowhere :))

   Sorry, dear, we were here first.  (I believe UCBU was the _only_
   university bi group mentioned in _Bi Any Other Name_, though I could
   be misremembering.)  You might be surprised how many we could rustle
   up for a Chicago party!

So surprise us! Gaylaxicon is in Chicago next year, and there are
people on this side of the Atlantic pondering holidays in the US
next year, with Gaylaxicon as one of the points of reference ;-)

Ang 


--
Angela Gilham.                 \ aag@aber.ac.uk \ "You should have fallen in
Department of Computer Science  \                \ love with a happy man, if 
University of Wales, Aberystwyth,\ +44 970 622433 \ you wanted happiness. But
Penglais, Aberystwyth,            \                \ you fell for the breath-
SY23 3BZ. United Kingdom.          \                \ taking beauty of pain."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: MORE NEW INFO:Stores censor Msgic'sBook on AIDS
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:27:42 GMT

In article <ALAN.92Aug11135342@pluto.osf.org> alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:

>It is a pair of actors whom they have been using in ads for 3 years,
>with various members of their (married to women, with kids) families.
>They are just friends shopping together to buy a chainsaw.

Were their names, perhaps, "Batman" and "Robin?"

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:01:35 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe L Johnson) wrote...
>In article <1992Aug16.043151.4330@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>[about Chicago bi party]
>>   Me me me me me me me! It's not for nothing Karina and I begin our US
>>tour in Chicago around New Year's Eve, you know!!! Then off to hot tubs
>>in SF, and *then* off to enormous mattresses on the floor in NY, but
>>that's another story...8->
>
>BTW, it was determined last night that the aforementioned hot tub 
>fits five quite nicely.  (there was some concern)  From the length
>of time that it took for us to exit it, it seems to have done just
>fine.  :^)

Revision.
It holds six quite nicely.

Ellen

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Subject: Re: Tech Post, no content whatsoever (was Re: Alt.sex.wizards)
Reply-To: bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:57:07 GMT


In a previous article, woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) says:

>dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>>Colin
>>(Who cut his teeth on a 6502, and was only introduced to the likes of VMS, unix
>>and DOS when he started working in a university).
>
>   Oh, I'm sobbing in relief. I thought I Was The Only One Like This... 8->
>
>   (I *still* have maybe 50 double-sided disks full of Apple II games...)

Are these the 'double sided' disks that you had to punch yourself?

And wasn't punching them a ball?  I remember being thrilled to get a
'real' disk-punch rather than just a normal hole-punch..

-- 
|Jeff Epler               Additions Welcome           c(-8 ;-) >{8-) |
| :) (=( =-] (-= Celebrating the variety of faces =-> :^) {-= |-) (: |
|                                                   Lincoln, Nebraska|
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:09:02 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <5090@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
|In article <AAG.92Aug17171816@artemis.aber.ac.uk> aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:
|>an end. The real world, and a real job paying real money beckons 
|And if your job is in London, you can
|arrange proper net access for the cost of a cheap PC, a modem, and
|ten quid a month + phone bills.  (total: half your first month's wages)

  Or, alternatively, you can ask someone from the land of El-cheapo PC
bits to pick up a PC and modem and deliver it (totally illegally, I'm
sure...) when I^Hthey next visit the UK.
                 __
   david parsons \/ "what does this word _subtle_ mean, anyway?"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:41:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.172758.3246@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
     20.092642.14147@nwnexus.WA.COM> writes:

>Somewhere along the line something odd has happened.

>Elf happily asserts [to Kamal?] that his wife will always come home;
>he trusts Omaha. Yet we also have an account of a breakup/tiff...
>from Omaha herself, I believe.

>Were you two just partnered then?

   Yeah, this was a _long_ time ago; somewhere around 1986.  Not all
relationships start out as solid as they eventually became.  Let the
record show... both of us changed, grew up, and adapted to each other;
a lot of that was, after all, work.

      Elf !!!

-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: hot bi babes
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:43:30 GMT

In article <10296@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
><snicker> 
>With the ex-SO its fine as long as I don't
>_talk_ about it, and behave like the het female he thought I was (ha!).
>This probably involves not wearing lycra and Doc Martens - Fat Chance!

doc martens, yeah, but...
straight women don't wear lycra?!?!?!?!?!
<peg stops to think>
does this mean that all the women i see wearing lycra 
are queers?!?!?!?! <note the evil light in peg's eyes...>

heh heh heh...

peg
-who's off to women's workout world...
>;->
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Summary: whoop!
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:17:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug22.161722.11171
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <v7dpbaa1@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk
 (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>Oh, just been looking around the news system, and this article's going
>to be #9908 or so for soc.bi... since we missed a little at the start,
>I guess that we're, globally, somewhere about the ten-thousand-messages
>mark.

	My machine claims that your message is 11702 (of 11734 this
session) and I think we were here right at the beginning.

>I think that calls for a little celebration, don't you?

	Most definately!  After all, we already have a mobile party in the
guise of the welcome wagon.  A little redecorating, and...

>		love to you all, dear friends
>				Kay

	and to you, Kay, and every one else here.

						Joy

-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
From: steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Plural porridge? (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:07:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
: Don't ask me why; don't ask for references; just that slow niggling doubt -
: perhaps it's a phantom memory, like one, which troubled me for years, that
: I'd woken up listening to a BBC natural history radio program and learned
: that wombats have square anal sphincters, and, thus, droppings of a square
: cross-section.  I half-believed, half-doubted it for years; after all, it
...
: to ask...  Eventually Paul Crowley, with whom I had shared this curious
: half-belief, phoned them up... and - alas - it was false; a mere delusion
: of a disordered and semi-conscious mind.

Kay,

I'm mortified!  I've borne fond delusions about the shape of wombat
do's ever since you told me that 4 (5? 6?) years ago.  Next you'll be
trying to tell me the African Naughty Minnow is fictional!  My whole
understanding of the natural world is crumbling around me :-)

-- Daff
-- 

				Steve Hunt	steve@acorn.co.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kts@philabs.philips.com (Kimberley T. Smith)
Subject: Re: "Giving up" Marraige
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:10:01 GMT

um... sorry.  on re-reading my post, i realize what i had intended to be an
extreme example of a feminist converted to a hacedic jew could be
mis-interpreted and understood as action that peg herself took.

of course not.  peg suggested no such thing.  she just wanted to give herself
as an example of a married woman raising children greatly appreciative of the
benefits she receives from marriage (among other things possibly).

i merely intended my description of a feminist turning jew to represent a sort
of extreme example that even i can except, on a couple of conditions.  that
if you do something that may be against your ideals for whatever reasons, you
be happy with the change and maybe use whatever advantages you have gained
to work towards bettering the world for future inhabitants.

sorry peg!

--kim
----------------
e-mail c/o: philabs!nrh@uunet.uu.net
school e-mail: KSMITH@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sharon@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Organization: Pomona College
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:28:08 PDT

> 
> Well, just look what Iseult posts when she thinks the four of us aren't
> reading!  Methinks she had better be nice, or she may find herself on
> the unexpected end of the crutch :^)
> 
 -Coe

Hey, I saw YOU eyeing Iseult's "crutch," sweetie... personally, I
think she just uses it to get girls! :-)

Sharon, wondering what the hell she's *still* doing in Southern California
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hetero/bi/homophobia (Was: Lesbian denial)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:49:38 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <ALAN.92Aug14121543@pluto.osf.org> alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
writes:
 and quoting without reference:

>> So, how about the term "heterophobia"? This would seem to suggest an
>> _irrational_ dislike/fear of heterosexual people. And that's where my
>> problem with this term lies. Often a GLB person's dislike/fear of
>> heterosexual people has a firm basis rather than being irrational. As
>> such, I think it does not make sense to refer to it as a phobia.
>
>On the contrary, heterophobia has the complementary meaning of
>homophobia and is very sensible.  It means expecting that heterosexual
>people fit one's heterosexual stereotype, and acting toward all new
>heterosexual people as if they were homophobic and untrustworthy.  It
>may be true that the percentage of heterosexuals who are homophobic is
>greater than the percentage of homosexuals who are heterophobic,
>though I suspect they are about the same.  However, treating one
>individual on the basis of your experience of other individuals just
>because they happen to belong to a group which is not defined by the
>characteristic in question (homophobia) is irrational behavior.  Not
>difficult to understand or sympathize with, but irrational.
>
>-Alan
>

Au contraire!

Alan's definition of homophobia and heterophobia are both incorrect in that
they are definitions of heterosexism and homosexism respectively.  

Examples:

Homophobia -Person A might be afraid of a homosexual because of a fear that the
person B will attempt to seduce person A thereby making a statement about the
sexuality of Person A or putting Person A in fear of being raped, etc. 
Irrational fears.  Or that a homosexual will turn the heterosexual's children
into homosexuals.  Irrational fears.

Heterosexism -Believing that heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality, the
heterosexual will demand that everyone fit into the heterosexual stereotype or
be ostracized or punished for not doing so.  Heterosexism and homosexism are
systems of belief.  Homosexism could be a defense used in dealing with both
heterosexism and homophobia. Heterosexism often incorporates homophobias.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:21:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug12.162313.28044@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
+David Parsons, who looks fetching first thing in the morning, writes:
+>My sexual and emotional ties with men are easily as strong as they are with
+>women, it's just that I ogle less of them.
+
+Is that "less" or "fewer"?  Somehow, I think you meant the latter.  :)

Actually for me, less, hairy or hairless masculine chest are less
attractive to me than hairy or hairless breasts. Although I don't
particularly dislike muscularity, for me mail chests sort of put me
to sleep. Also my tolerance for rounder shapes in women is far
larger than men.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What it is all about..
From: pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:06:42 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) wrote...
>   There's usually a good reason for why an individual is attracted to
>another individual.  I, for instance, go for older men, long hair, deep
>voices.  Are you going to call me 'ageist', 'hairist', and 'voicist?'

Errrm, how does 19 year old DeWolf fit into this scheme?

Ellen
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hot Bi Studs
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:05:40 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <VwT7oB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> (soc.bi), panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> > 
> > Ancient proverb:
> > 
> > There are two ways to stroke a porcupine.  The wrong way is very painful.
> > 
> 
> And what *is* the right way to stroke a porcupine?  That proverb sounds 
> ambiguous to me, at best?

Why, very carefully, of course. :-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck