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From: gandalf@wpi.WPI.EDU (James Michael Sambrook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Metaphors, Darmok and You (was Re: Best Episode)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:36:05 GMT
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>What is the official name of the episode where Picard must learn to
>communicate with aliens whose language is made up entirely of metaphors
>from their mythology, "Darmakh at Jalad,"or something like that?   I
>liked it a lot because it was the first to really grapple with the
>problems of intercultural communication in a context where not even the
>"universal translator" can help them much. At a deeper level, it probes to
>philosophy of language, hermeneutics, and points to the importance of
>mythology in all cultures. Too bad I've seen it twice but came in only ior the
>the last 20 minutes in both cases.
>
>Yours, Ian Ritchie.
>CXIR@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

The name of that episode is just "Darmok"  The only thing I didn't like about
that episode is that Picard switched from his normal uniform to his "velvet
smoking jacket." UGH!  Other than that, it was a good episode!!!

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From: Andrew.G.Smith@dartmouth.edu (Andrew G. Smith)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:15:17 GMT

One that should at least be mentioned:
     Riker in "The Perfect Mate" after two kisses from the metamorph
Kamala, wearily pushing his communicator and informing the bridge that
he could be found on Holodeck 3...
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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: From Fidonet: San Diego Con: Marina Sirtis
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:51:50 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <RR5RXB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>
>>        Denise Crosby's b.g. wave goodbye during her final scene
>>      in "Symbiosis" (the final regular episode she shot), missed in
>>      post production...?
>
>Actually, it's not her final scene -- which is another error.  Crosby
>waves goodbye as Picard and Crusher exit from the cargo hold, leaving
>Yar behind.  They get in a turbolift and ride to the bridge, discussing
>the Prime Directive en route.  But when they get there, Yar is already
>on the bridge and at her station.
>
>Well, it's not totally impossible.  Picard halts the turbolift for about
>fifty seconds, and this might give Yar time to get to the bridge ahead
>of them.  But it's still odd, isn't it?
>
>-- 
>Pat Berry - Cary, North Carolina, USA   | "Much to our dismay, the C compiler
>pat@berry.Cary.NC.US                    | does not read the manuals."
>**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        | Libes & Ressler, *Life with UNIX*


I belive that the scene in the bridge was filmed before the cargo hold
scene. TNG Companion states that the cargo hold was the last scene
*filmed* with tasha yar in it... (Ok, Yesterdays Enterprise is
another story, but you got the point..)

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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:44:54 GMT
Organization: HNSX SuperComputers, Mtl, PQ

In article <1993Jan21.183338.12944@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>Space Rangers sucked for me because:
>>  2) The show was to[o] campy/comicy for a prime-time show.
>
>This is exactly why I like it. It is like a 1960's comic book. 
>

Slowly, but surely the shows are getting better.

-- 
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From: sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian)
Subject: Misc comments/questions about DSN & TNG from Dorm-Rec
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:12:30 GMT

	We, the men of Dorm-Rec have been watching TNG and DSN and
some questions and comments have arrisn...

(posible spoilers)





	What's the deal with that damn holodeck?  They never can seem to
get it working correcly.  Why don't they either fix it, or not even use
it?  It seem to be more trouble than it's worth.

	Transporters again????  Everytime we turn around the crew of TNG
is using the transporter to fix another problem.  We like to see how the
crew interacts with each other, but come on!!!  I thought they were to
"Boldy go where no one has gone before", not "To be screwed by our own
ship weekly".  Let's see some exploration done.  There is so many
unexplored regions and the Big E continues to just 'float' around the
Federation.  Another thing, why do they continuously use the Big E for
a transport ship???  It's the flag ship for the Federation, not some
luxary liner that you can book a weekend cruise on.  I understand the
occasional transportation of 'people' around, but wouldn't they have
diplomatic ship for diplomatic missions?

	What's going on with Beverly Crusher and Picard?  For a while they
seemed to be building a personal relationship and now they are rarely shown
interacting when off duty.  I think there was a purpose for showing them
working on this relationship, but suddenly it's gone.  We were looking
forward to seeing Picard and Bev really hit it off.  Someone as awesome
as Picard ought to be getting some.

	The Big E seems like a weak flagship.  Two Klingon vessels commanded
by Ferengi have no problem taking the Enterprise.  What if they would have
been Romulan??  The Enterprise should be able to take a couple hits WHILE
it returns fire.  If Moriarty, a cumputer generated image, can take control
of the Enterprise, what's stopping any bum that they pick up from doing the
same??  If the Enterprise is that easily gotten control of maybe the Federation
should consider building a new flagship.

	When are they going to start exploring the other side of that
wormhole in DSN?  After all, that wormhole was the reason the series was
to written.  Maybe that's where the Enterprise should go.  By the way, where
does the wormhole go to?  Have the Federation explored there?  Also, if the
wormhole is going to be so good for Bajorian trade, why don't any ships ever
use it?  It seems that the wormhole does absolutly no good and shouldn't be
there if they aren't going to use it.


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From: h7l@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 comments and SPOILERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:15:48 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I am not usually a part of this newsgroup, so I apologize if I am being
repetitive in any annoying way, but here goes....

the episode this week about the aphasure disease, howver you spell it, was,
to be blunt, pathetic. It was physically and amotionally painful for me to
watch this for an hour. Besides being completely boring and predictable, it was
ridiculous how everyone was magically aflicted in ascending rank order. There
wer inconsistencies up my butt, and many questions not answered. Why couldn't
people speak in signs or signals? Why were people in special sick bays coughing
and wheezing? this was supposed to be a communicative problem, right?

About DS9 in general: I like Sisko and Kira and Quark and Odo. I feel like Dax
is just on this show because she is gorgeous. I find her unecessary and boring.
It would have been much more interestiong has she still been the old man we saw
in the first episode, her trill host last time. The doctor is annoying as hell,
I would very much enjoy assasinating him. And why is Kira so damn bitchy all
the time? She is hostile, like so many other ST female characters. When do we
get a compassionate likeable intelligent woman? Dr. Crusher is carrying the
torch for awhile longer.....

I hope DS9 gets better. I think the sets and cast and writers have a lot of
potential, but the storylines need to get better - fast!

Thanks for hearing me out. Since I dson't read this group regularly, replies
are certainly welcome in my mailbox as well as on the net itself...

Sarah
H7L@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

the aphasure or however you spell it episode this week was, ito be blunt,
pathetic. what a boring show. it was actaully painful for me
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From: jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff)
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:02:39 GMT

Johnny Piscitello (johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: 	Well, here's a partial list of non-humanoid lifeforms on TNG:
: 
: 	- The Crystalline Entity from "Datalore" and "Silicon Avatar"
: 	- "Galaxy's Child" creature that thought the Enterpise was it's mother
: 	- The creatures that overtook O'Brien, Troi, and Data in "Power Play"
: 	- The entity from "Imaginary Friend"
: 	- Q (he only <appears> as human, he is anything he wishes to be)
: 	- The Farpoint Station lifeform from "Encounter at Farpoint"
: 	- The gaseous creatures that wanted revenge on Q from "Deja Q"
: 	- The Exocomps from "The Quality of Life"
: 	- The Nanites from "Evolution"
: 	- The silicon creatures from "Home Soil"
: 
: 	Others, folks?

Don't forget the "natural form" of Wesley's first love, the
shape-shifter in "The Dauphin" (she looked like a beam of light or something).
She also looked similar to the natural forms of the Organians in the old series.
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Standard" is the Federation's standard language in the 24th Cent.
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:24:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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Of course, if you assume the dialog is translated into English
for our benefit, you have to assume all the displays, ship markings,
etc. are translated also.

(And they aren't, obviously, because otherwise they would translate
them into Japanese, Korean, German, etc. too. :-)
From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: troi
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:17:06
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
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In-reply-to: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 14:52:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.145259.16541@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:

  Too much.

I'm glad we don't have to fit THAT post in a 45-minute ST episode...

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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES ...Bajoran Nude Swimsuit Issue!
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:46:11 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>There is no doubt that Kira is attractive. But her
>>attractiveness is amplified by the fact that us
>>ST:NG fans are sick of watching Troi all the time. Face it,
>>we are bored of watching Troi all the time. Compared to Troi,
>>almost any ST:NG or DS9 female crew member seems attractive .
>
>Personally, I cant wait for the Bajoran Nude Swimsuit Sports Illustrated 
>Edition or the Calender to come out! Or the Betazet version
>to for that matter! Im sure Kira, Ro, and Troi will be there!
>
>;)
I can't imagine Kira posing nude for anything ...

-- 
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think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 03:38:29 GMT

In article <1k9lt6INN20j@bigboote.WPI.EDU> patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes:
>Well, I've heard Sisko call it D-S-Nine (DS9) twice.  He DIDN'T call it DSN.
>So I say, go with DS9...

Sisko talked about a syndicated TV show?  Interesting...   :-)

> 
>Not like it will kill us.  Then again...people are upset that they lose 30
>seconds to a Deep Space Nine promo...GEESH!  Relax!
>

Why the hell shouldn't we be upset?!  The show is already SHORT enough.
What about the next time and they decide to cut it back for more ads
or something?  Paramount wants to promote their new show.  Fine, but
there is no reason that should be at the EXPENSE of the current one!

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From: dskowron@serj.polymer.uakron.edu (Daniel Skowronski)
Subject: Rating of women on ST/ST:TNG/ DS9
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:06:40 GMT

With 10 being the sexist being to grace the screen, I rank
 
Tasha Yar......10.0
Ensign Ro......8.5
Kira ..........7.0
Dax............6.5
Troi...........5.0
Horta(Silicon based life form)...0.1
Harry Mudd's Wife.....0.0


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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:30:22 GMT


I found it quite hilarious in "Rascals," how first Riker, and then 
_DATA_ tacked on "sir" about a half-second after finishing their 
statements.  In addition, the entire tantrum/"Dad!!!!!" scene was 
one of the funniest I've ever seen, right up to the line, "He's my
number-one dad!" and the big ol' shit-eating grin on Riker's face.

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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES FIND KIRA ATTRACTIVE
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:17:07 GMT


	I have to equate Janice Rand with Tasha Yar: blond
sex-symbols who have really dated hair-do's that people laugh
at 20 years later.
						-Quinn
From: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Neckties (was Re: Duras Sisters' Cleavage)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:31:06 GMT
Organization: Books & Co., 2nd-largest independent bookstore in the U.S.
Reply-To: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
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In a previous article, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu () says:

>   Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
>anyway?  Whenever I tie one on me (which is as few a times as possible,)
>I always feel like I'm tying an hangman's noose around myself and offering
>myself to whomever comes up as an executionee.

Many of you are going to think this far-fetched, but I have it on
excellent authority -- Paul Harvey's.  :-)

Apparently the tradition of wearing ties comes from Croatia,
albeit in a pretty twisted manner.  Seems a French emissary had
gone to Croatia to find out why the Croatian army was kicking
everyone else's ass.  At first it seemed like it was just a
question of their morale being several levels higher than anyone
else's.  But then the emissary heard a rumor that the Croats had
magic armor.  When he went to check it out, it turned out to be a
superstition -- the Croat soldiers believed that tying cloths
around their necks afforded them some sort of supernatural
protection.

This is where my memory fuzzes out.  I know the emissary brought
the tradition back to France, though whether he did so as a
military technique or because he just thought it looked cool
escapes me at the moment.  In any case, the thing was named a
cravat -- the French word for "Croatian" (the Croatian word for
"Croatian" being "Hrvatski") -- and eventually people wore thinner
ones, stopped tucking the ends inside their shirts, and started
calling them neckties.

Hey, you wanted to know, and this is the best explanation I've
ever heard -- if not the most factual (though I believe it is), at
least the most interesting.  :-)




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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James "Stimpy" Bender)
Subject: Re: No room at the bar !
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:04:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.011246.20372@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>Yeah. They would have more than one place to eat. On the big E,
>people can eat just about anywhere. On the holodeck, you can
>eat. You can eat in your quarters. I'd say that you could even
>probably eat on the bridge if you really needed to. 
>
>AH. The joys of replecators!
k
	There IS a food replicator on the bridge. I saw it in the technical
manual. It is near the door to the Captians ready room. I believe you can
see it on teh show too.

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From: hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran)
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "A Man Alone"
Organization: NSWC White Oak
	<rawdon.728158927@cs.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:07:58 GMT

In article <rawdon.728158927@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
   In <HMORAN.93Jan25103538@nswc-wo.?> hmoran@nswc-wo.? (Howard Moran) writes:
   >In article <rawdon.727919914@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
   >   Certainly, "A Man Alone" had its problems.  For instance, the cloning
   >   premise ran afoul of the usual problems that SF TV has with clones - why
   >   would they be created fully-grown, and why would they have any memories
       or
   >   personality when created?  (Ibudan's murdered clone didn't look like a
   >   gibbering idiot, after all.)

   >As for the memories/personality/gibbering idiot - we only saw the clone in
   >the holoroom for a moment or so and all that was seen was a presumptive 
    male
   >adult experiencing the pleasure of a massage; no memories or personality 
    was
   >needed here, only the basic pleasure/pain response set we (and Bajorans) 
    are
   >born with.  Essentially, we might be seeing Ibudan kill...a child!

   But this doesn't work, because Odo would have had to have GOTTEN the clone
   there first.  If the clone were really essentially a newborn, it wouldn't 
   have
   been able to walk or talk, and, heck, probably would have cried when it got
   hungry.  A rather conspicuous thing (when full-grown) to lug through the 
   space
   station into a holochamber.

   Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu

Well, maybe it went thusly: [1] Ibudan disguises himself (this is post
casino, y'unnerstan') [2] dopes his clone slightly (boo hiss) [3] carts
said clone to holoroom via devious routes known to him from his previous
times on DS9 (he's encountered Odo before) [4] starts program [5] arranges
clone on holo-massage-table [6] let's clone start to enjoy himself (cad!)
and [7] Tssappp - exeunt omnes, especially said clone.
Now, about that door recorder only showing one opening after Ibudan-which-
ever enters: in any scenario bringing both Ibudans in that one place at
about the same time what did Ibudan-prime do - block the door open and the
recorder never mentioned this???  I suspect our jolly writing team better
leave the mystery stuff to others - or do more research - or stop the
editors from trashing sequence data.

hmoran@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (like I really got the answers about clones!)
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:56:34 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1ji0j8INNs5j@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
|> 
|> Not only is "The Outcast" the worst episode of Star Trek in any
|> series.  It might be the worst episode of series television.

I would not go that far.  What I did not like about that episode was
that it was too damned obvious.  I do not mind a show with a message.
In fact I like a show with a message but they should present it in
a sublime manner to be effective.  "The Outcast" just shoved its
message down our throats.  It looked like it had been written by
a junior high school student as a creative writing class project.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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