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From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Mainland China #3 Economic Power?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:56:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

>>As the country become more industrialized and need to import
>>industrial equipment and parts, GNP by exchange rate become more and more
>>meaningful.
>>
>
>Yes, this could be true, but with three conditions:  1). transportation
>costs between trading countries are zero;  2). there are absolutely
>NO trade barriers at all (such as tariff/import tax, export subsidies);
>3). exchange rates are relatively fixed  --- but none of these conditions
>exists!
>

I do not understand this at all, if you need to import industrial equipment
and parts, you have to pay for it at the exchange rate, and this means
these costs has to be cost calculated at the exchange rate. How would any
of these condition affects it.

>Just recently, German Marks raises it value by more than 20% against
>U.S. Dollars --- this means that, suddenly, Germany's GNP increases
>by 20% (if U.S. Dollars is the standard), or U.S.' GNP decreases
>by 20% (if German Marks is the standard).  Does this make any sense???

I am not saying that GNP by exchange rate is the best way to do it, by
GNP by so called purchasing power is equally faulted, so the truth has
to be somewhere in between. When you build another car in Japan, let say
the GNP goes up by $10,000. When the equivalent car is built in China,
using the purchasing power GNP figure, the GNP goes up the equivalent
of $120,000!! By comparision the Germany's GNP goes up by 20% made far
more sense.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Language
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 06 Sep 1992 11:40:56 GMT

In article <BtynsD.40p@multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
> 
>If netters wanner know more about HoLo and HaGa, I  can  dig  out
>all my reference. This is real 'culture' subject. :-)
> 

What kind of Hakka do you speak? How many Hakka dialects are there? What
is the difference between those Hakka dielects? Can Hakka speaking
different dialects communicate with each other? How difficult is it for
Hakka speaking one dialect to learn to speak anoter dialect? What do
you know about YaoPing Hakka?

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: an armchair fighter
Originator: shchen@c00000-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:50:16 GMT


In article <4974@rosie.NeXT.COM>, ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu) writes:
|>
|>In article <9209102353.AA15950@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of  
|>Taiwan) writes:
|>>Taiwanese will fight
|>> for what ever price they have to pay even destroy the
|>> Earth. Taiwanese will never let blood thirsty CCP get
|>> away once they start invading Taiwan.
|>
|>Yes, I see you are fighting very hard with your fingers and keyboard and  
|>may be a can of Coke, in an air-conditioned room at San Jose, U.S.A. 
|>

Yup.  That's all you need to launch thoses missiles at those stinking commies.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 12 Sep 1992 12:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.100250.29793@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
>
>it is very stupid, isn't it..... In the world so many country only have name
>for their country....don't need put Repubic..... Like Singapore...

I wish you would post the above statement to soc.culture.singapore.
To better attract Singaporean's attention, you might consider rephrasing
the above statement as the following:

Hey! Listen! You Singaporean. The name of your country is Singapore, not
Republic of Singapore. 

I bet you'll make many Singaporean angry.

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: F16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:40:06 GMT

In article <BtzKL5.JKE@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
=In article <1992Sep02.215310.8526@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
=>
=>It is now official.  President Bush was in my backyard Ft. Worth this
=>afternoon to announce he authorized to sell Taiwan 150 F-16 which
=>worth more than $4 billion dollars and it saved 3000 jobs in
=>Texas. 
=
=This is simply the greatest news I have seen/heard for years.
=
=Now ROC government must be very careful not to anger the French
=government. We may still need their Mirage.
=
=-Chunshi

Bush is playing game in order to win election. No one knows
he will fulfill his 'YES' after he wins the election.
It won't surprise me that if Bush refuse to sell F-16
to Taiwan in the begining of his next 4 years' presidency.

If KMT is not so chicken, KMT should paly game too.
For example, spread rumor that Taiwan is going to
buy French Fighters instead of Bush's F-16 to make
Bush looses his face and votes. Next cut a deal
with Clinton and formaly declare to buy F-16 when
Clinton is the President of USA as a gift(Gen{look} Main{face} Li{gift}).
Then Taiwan will have a chance to kick Bush's butt
and have a good relationship with Clinton.

If Bush win, we still have French Fighters and we
still kick Bush's butt.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.191010.27934@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.173723.28658@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu
>(Yu-fung Liu) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep15.164240.13998@odin.corp.sgi.com>
>yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Sep15.055806.15067@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>|> >claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>|> >|> In article <1992Sep14.231806.15537@wuecl.wustl.edu>
>|> >yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> >Who care whether it is Portuguese or Spanish? California is part of
>|> >|> >the US now and forever!
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> But it does matter.  Can you imagine Germany renaming itself Alemania
>|> >|> (Spanish)?  Can you imagine Scotland renaming itself Caledonia (Latin)?
>|> >
>|> >Could not agree more.
>|> >And it is not appropriate to use california as an example here.
>|> >California was in the hands of spain. When US took it, it was named
>|> >california already by spainish and there was more spainish speaking
>|> >people live there (it may still be true today).
>|> >
>|> >To who ever think it does not matter or likes the name ROF:
>|> >
>|> >	Where is your pride?
>|> >	We have a name in our own language and it is "TAIWAN".
>|>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> What a   joke!
>|> You have a good sense of humor, I like you!
>|> Do you speak spanish, portuguese, or chinese?
>
>My mother tongue is mandarin and taiwanese.
>It is obvious that I speak english too.
>I do not speak spanish or portugese.
>
>And what is your point.
>
>|> Ah, Ah, Ah! Thanks for your joke, I enjoy it.
>
>
>I do not understand why someone want to make joke out of this very
>serious matter. I had no intention to do it.
>If joking is in your blood and is part of your nature, speak for yourself.
>
>
>TAIWAN or
>
>  /       \ __\___
> /-----\  \  \||/
>  -----      ----      (sorry for the poor writing 8-) )
>  |   |   /   _7
>  -----       |-
>               J
>
>is the pronunciation translation from both taiwanese and mandarin, right?

Are you the one who said Taiwan is not a part of China because Dutch arrived
there first? Are you the one (or your friend) believe that you might be
the decendent of Dutch ... etc.
It is a very good joke! Thanks again.   


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:55:45 GMT

>Lu3Xun4(?) said "before revolution (1911), I was a salve; after revolution,
>I was cheated by those slaves and become a slave's slave."  Is that means
>we got to be a slave's slave's slave's
>slave......

That's because you never have a choice. Now TIers will at least give you a
choice between KMT and DPP, although may not be a good choice for either
side. But as long as there is some competitions and the better will win all
the time, eventually we will have a great one. In the past 80 years of
KMT's rule people never have a choice and there is never a real
competition, that's why politician's quality will only become worse and
worse.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: Re: [television/television] Chinese series, Japanese music C^inlanda serio, Japanlanda muziko (repost attempt)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 23:51:21 GMT


     (Correction to Esperanto version of original article.)

     Por korekti min, la au'dig^o de Japana muziko ne estas "enuo".
Mi uzis malprava vorto.  Devis esti "etendo".  G^uu tiun televid-seriojn
kun Japana muzko en la fono.

					ZHONG Qi-Iao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: The Foreign Minister of PRC said ...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:32:14 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.215817.780@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes...
> 
>In article <Btwq0p.Dv6@multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug30.210718.6155@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>> =I don't think so. The reason that a country must choose either PRC or ROC
>> =is that both PRC and ROC claim that they are China. Since there is only one
>> =China, there will be only one winner. If Taiwan can be something else, 
>> =PRC can be China while Taiwan can be Taiwan. Two winners can exist at 
>> =the same time. 
>> 
>> Yes, KMT's Mongolia, Tibet, and  Mainland  China  has  burned  in
>> those  KMT  leaders'  bugheads.  They have been claiming that for
>> over 40 years. It won't be easy to ask them to  drop  the  claim,
>> but  it  would be easy just move those bugheads to the place they
>> claim they own for over 40 years and never step their foot on.
>> 
>> So all the Taiwanese has to do is to move those people who  claim
>> they  own  Mongolia to Mongolia, move those people who claim they
>> own Tibet to tibet and move those people who claim they own Main-
>> land  China  to  Mainland  China.  Then all Taiwanese can sit and
>> watch KMT and CCP fight each other NOT in Taiwan.
>> 
> 
>Based on the writing style of this guy, I am pretty sure we have a
>phantom of Mr. Kailan Hwang.
>-- 
>/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
> * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
>\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */

Who is Mr. Kailan Hwang anyway? 

Same guy has notified me in his message #29281 that I owed tax to his 
"Republic of Kailan". I want to make sure this guy is a big racketeer 
before calling police. :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:35:51 GMT

In article <BuHp5G.EHp@rlyeh.multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:

>It is interested to know what you gonner react, if
>there has a war between China and US?
>
>Cut yourself to two half and the left side goes to China to
>yell 'long live Mao', 'liberate evil Capatalists'
>and the right side stays in the US to yell 'those dirty Commi scums'
>'Commi's day is numberd'.

Nice equation.  Chinese = CCP = evil.  Where have we seen that one before?
"The Soviet Union is an Evil Empire."

And let me remind you, we are long past the era of McCarthyism.
>
>Don't know how they gonner fight each other when
>your left side meets your right side in the battle ground.  ;-)

Like how German-Americans reacted during World War II?  Like how the Japanese-
American soldiers reactived in World War II?

Face it, by making yourself known as a Sinophobic, you are are only showing
a reason why TI is not feasible; since many TIers appear to be Sinophobic, they
will probably not try to maintain a good relationship with mainland; rather,
they will provoke the Communists with words and actions.  Not a good way to
ensure that Taiwan does not become ruled by those Communist, student-killers.
>
>Also, how you gonner split something in your body which
>only has one.   ;-(

There is no way to split.  What do you think the Jews in this country will
do if there is a war between the United States and Israel?  The answer is,
nothing, since a war between the U. S. and Israel will never happen, thanks
to these hard working Jews, who work hard to preserve good relations between
the two nations to whom they pay allegiance to.

And, if a war does happen, I don't doubt that the Jewish-Americans will be just
as loyal as the German-Americans and Japanese-Americans who fought for this
country during the war.  Those German-Americans probably viewed Hitler in the
same light that we here are viewing the Communist government in Beijing; i. e.,
an autocratic, oppressive, "evil" regime.  I view myself as a "Chinese-
American from Taiwan."  If a war between the United States and China erupts,
you know which nation I will fight for.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:10:24 GMT


In article <BuL562.A70@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep12.145926.12051@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>
>I am honor to be the #1 target of those 'hateful persons'.
>They try to paint me as evil as possible, but I am evil
>and I am welcome to be praised as evil as possible.  :-)

I believe you are referring to my post #29557. Frankly, I dont even know
you why should I hate you? I dont believe anyone will hate you. You are 
not the only TI supporter on this net. We are not all KMT supporters, at 
least not me. This newsgroup is an open forum, everyone can speak freely. 
But if you are talking ridiculously and rudely that certainly will draw 
a lot of criticism. If you continue to do so then dont expect others treat 
you with respect. As you said, TI seems to be an equal to KMT on the net, 
why no one stands by your opinion but all you have received is against 
your opinion. You dont self-examine but blame for others. 

Just based on your statement above, I dont think you are mentally healthy,
not even to mention your other opinion.

>I have a bad memory to remember people's name. This is
>why I always argue with arguments not with people.
>(This means I don't care the posters are TI-er, KMT-er,
>CCP-er or whatever-er)

We too. We only argue with arguments not with people. 

>I still remember couple years ago, no one on the net
>will admit he or she is a TI promoter except Mitch.
>Now, TI seems to be an equal to KMT and people start
>to worry about what if TI-ers elected by the people
>to be in charge of the new government.

Frankly if majority TIers like you I dont think there is a chance. 

>IMHO, it is really a big progress toward a dmocratic
>Taiwan.

We all wish that.

>I believe there has a lot of users in Taiwan paying
>their attention on SCT closely, though they seldom
>speak out their opinion.

That's good, I hope they can make a right choice.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Need some Pen Friends
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:20:11 GMT
Organization: Taiwan National University,

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                                     6th/Sep/1992

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    you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jhong@isis (Joseph Hong)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Keywords: Formosa
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:07:54 GMT

In article <79312@ut-emx.uucp> ifat555@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ray Huang)  
writes:
> >..........
> >     Formosa is Taiwan old name....it mean is Taiwan is a beautiful  
treasure
> >island............. Taiwan this name is by Chen Zen-Ko name.... but  
although
> >the Formosa is Spanish name....but if it is good name why we want to  
refuse..
> >.........  I hope Republic of Formosa is Taiwan Future name...... Don't  
told
> >again Republic of Taiwan (ROT) <- too bad... mean is dirty,bad food  
or...)
> >..........
> > If you want to blame me or support my idea, you can mail for me.....
> >My Email address:   c_tsai@uk.ac.brispoly.csd
> >.
> 
> I can't resist to blame you!
> 
> If you want a word means like Formosa, why don't you pick it up from  
chinese?
> Do you think there are lots of people who understand Spanish care about
> the name of your country?    
> 
> STUDY MORE CHINESE!
> 
> By the way, what's wrong with using ROC if what you want is TI not a 
> revolution? Chinese had TOO MUCH revolution already! Everybody wants
> to begin his own dynasty. What the hell is the difference between TIers
> and Mao? This is why I hate TI!
> 
> Ray Huang.

I think Formosa is a good name for our future country.  I vote for it.

	First Place:  ROF (Republic of Formosa)
	Second Place: ROT (Republic of Taiwan)
	Third Place:  Republic of China (if you really insist)

This is merely my own choice.  I speak for myself.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13311 soc.culture.hongkong:10723
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why don't you stay ?
Date: 13 Sep 1992 14:59:38 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <13SEP199210432939@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
=
=Sorry, Sir. 
=
=None of the above you mentioned represents SOVEREIGNTY. Hong Kong has
=all the above you mentioned, but nobody would say it is a independent
=country. Everybody knows that it is a colony of Great Britain. Most
=of the people in today's world know the problem of Taiwan: it is the
=result of the WWII and the cold war. Most people in this world would 
=not say it is a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country. 
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lines deleted---

=I am sorry to hear that. KMT invented that word and used that a lot
=while Communists in Beijing rearly use it. So, who is "brain-washed"?

LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN are brain-washed term over-used by KMT and CCP.
If you believe in that, them you don't even know you were and are
brain-washed.

People seems forget what is 'brain-washed', it is everything
in your mind. A brain-washed person certainly will not know he
or she is brain washed and addmit that not until they find
out the truth and believe in truth.

=
=c.q.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13191 soc.culture.china:25339 soc.culture.hongkong:10674
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: a joke, just a joke
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:35:48 GMT

>>  Korea has already three major car-making company and another one has
>>  just started.  For taiwan, it was turned out to be impossible to build
>>  a car  they had to ride motercycle.  That is why there are many
>>  motorcycles in Taiwan.
>
>  Are you day dreaming? The Taiwanese government even worry about the lacking
>  of parking slots. As for the korean products, they give people the same
>  impression, cheap-price & worst-quality. There are NOTHING to be proud of.
>

Then Taiwan may only produce high-price & no-quality cars.
Don't look down other people's achievement, don't look up too much on your
own achievement. Even talking about IC industry, Taiwan is in no comparison
with South Korea. Many people believe South Korea may become another Japan 
in the future, Taiwan is never on that track.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Organization: National Univ of Singapore
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.225324.14000@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>shchen@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>>Bad analogy, Zeoron.  The Nation of Taiwan has always been politically 
>>and geographically independent from China and it always will.  Keep your 
>>Chinese trash in the mainland where it belong.
>
>This gentleman talks like dog, you cannot see any logic
>arguments in his post.         ^^^
>
>Ze Yang
>

Perhaps Mr. Ze Yang should use "I" instead of "you" in his posting
because "we" can see what shchen tried to say.  And, the most important
thing is that we are quite different from a dog.

I am not saying I agree with shchen's opinion, but I am certainly
against Mr. Ze Yang's personal insult.