HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: MATH: Kelly criterion for simultaneous independent (BJ) wagers
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:40:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.210129.23799@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:

>And the solution to the problem is given by:
>
>(defun solution (wph s n)
>  (let ((p (p-heads wph (sqr s))))
>     (- 1.0 (/ (f p n) (f p 1)))))

Damn, I think that's supposed to be:

(defun solution (wph s n)
  (let ((p (p-heads wph (sqr s))))
     (- (/ (f p 1) (f p n)) 1.0)))

The required bankroll (in weird units) is 1/f, and 1/f' over 1/f is f/f'.

Here's a new handy table:

SIMULTANEOUS   EXTRA KELLY
  HANDS          BANKROLL
(hundreds)      (percent)
    1              0.7
    2              1.5
    4              2.9
    6              4.4
    8              5.9
   10              7.3
   15             11.0
   20             14.7
   25             18.3
   50             36.7
   75             55.0
  100             73.3

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From: matthew@remus.rutgers.edu (matthew bernardini)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: 9-ball tournament
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:25:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


My local pool hall runs a 7 loss round robin pool tournament once a week.
It costs 13 dollars to play - 10 for the pot and three for the house as
table time.  They have been running this type of deal for two years now.
Is this illegal in NJ ?  Just because they haven't been caught yet doesn't
necessarily mean its illegal, and its very small time money, but that still
doesn't necessarily make it a legal.  Is this a common practice elsewhere?
Also, is it legal to bet on a game you actually play in with someone else?
( I realize the side betting is illegal.)  Any thoughts are welcome.
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

}In article <dbarber.721163737@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
}>Is 4-of-a-kind considered a pat hand in draw poker?
}>(If there were any replies to my previous post on this question,
}>they were lost by my machine -- sorry.)

}Of course not, in that it's beatable by all of the straight-flushes
}that don't need the card you have four of, nor the other card you hold.

It's nice to see that at least one person on this thread is actually
addressing the original poster's question.  However, I don't think that
"pat hand" is defined as "unbeatable".  I had always thought that "pat
hand" meant a five-card hand which any reasonable poker player would
NOT draw to.  Clearly, any straight, flush, or full house is a pat hand,
even though all are beatable.

The answer really depends on the strict definition of "pat hand".  Does it
mean that you CAN'T draw without breaking up your hand, or that you don't
NEED to draw to try to better your hand?  I would say that the latter is
the more reasonable definition.  Sure, you could draw the one card when
you have 4-of-a-kind, but you're not going to better your hand by doing
so (ignoring the case where, for example, you have four kings and a deuce
and you draw just in case you get an ace so that then you'd know that no
one else could have four aces; this doesn't really better your own hand,
it just gives you some useful information about potential other hands).
In other words, getting dealt 4-of-a-kind and then standing pat is a
perfectly reasonable thing to do, so I would call it a pat hand.

--James Preston
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: lance@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (lance.r.ogasawara)
Subject: Speaking of Omaha
Keywords: Omaha
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:09:57 GMT



Now that we all know four of a kind is a bad starting hand in Omaha,
can someone list the good hands. What hands should be raised before
the flop, which hands play better in multiway pots, which hands (besides
four of a kind) should be thrown away immediately?

Lance
From: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Jack Mcgee) 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Missouri Riverboats
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: jack.mcgee@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Jack Mcgee) 

Missouri passed Riverboat Gambling in the statewide election, but I
haven't heard for sure whether any of the local option elections
passed.  Heard a rumor St. Louis passed it, though.  Anyone know for
sure?  Sure would like to see another boat or two or three in the St.
Louis area to give the Alton Belle some competition.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Elevators smell different to midgets.
     
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Holyfield vs. Bowe
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:05:15 GMT

In article <184154@pyramid.pyramid.com> breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill
Reid) writes:
>In article <1dbsguINNc7j@skat.usc.edu> ahasham@skat.usc.edu (Allen Hasham)
writes:
>>
>>      Does anyone know what the odds on the fight are. I'm going out
>>      to place a bet and was curious.
>>   
>>    also I would be intrested to hear what anyone else has to say
>>    on who they think is going to win.
>
>Oh, probably Holyfield, but as usual, he'll make it look difficult (a man 
>of his age who gets worn down by a 42-year-old Foreman is obviously not 
>the greatest fighter who ever lived).  I'll be attending this one, and I 
>don't know what the odds are, but if they are sufficiently high I'll 
>probably put a bet on Bowe, on the general theory that Holyfield is 
>going down someday, and it's just as likely to happen when I've got 
>15to1 odds on it as any other time (this "strategy" has gained me a 
>net profit on boxing betting overall).  
> 
>
Hey! Glad to see other boxing folks. We discuss boxing on rec.sport.misc. We
have been getting a number of new folks. Join us if you want.

On the fight, It opened as "PICK EM". The first time since Liston and ?. I
still believe it is very close. I am also going to the fight but will be
betting on Holyfield. Bowe is pretty good, but doesn't have the big league
fights like Holyfield, or the quality competition. So I will go with Evander. I
hope it is entertaining. Anyone know what the undercard is?


*****************************************************************
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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Zee on Eight or Better
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:38:20 GMT
Reply-To: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA

Mason Malmuth has just informed me that the book Eight or Better for Advanced
Players will be shipping on Monday of next week.  It covers both the 7 stud
and Omaha versions of the game.

As usual, he's allowing me to offer the book to rec.gamblers at a discount.
An order for poker books is going in over Thanksgiving weekend.  Let me know
if you'd like pricing and ordering details.  Let me know if you need the full
list of poker books or just info on the eight or better book.

Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 01:57:43 GMT

From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:27:55 GMT

>  Every book I have ever read on the subject says that if you hold this
>  remarkable hand, you should randomly (yeah, sure, like I am going to
>  hold this hand several times in the next few weeks so I will decide
>  randomly :-) draw or not draw the fifth card solely to confuse the
>  other players.  Right :-)  My guess is draw and have a 6-gun ready
>  in case it turns out you needed the high kicker you pitched :-)  

>  If you 4-of-a-kind pat is beaten in a draw game, you might consider
>  giving up poker for life.  Or entering a monastary (oh, same thing :-)

Oh, come on, JR.  4-of-a-kind ain't that rare.  Last trip to LV I had
three 4-of-a-kind's playing Omaha hi-lo, all within a few days.

(My favorite was when I was dealt 4 10's as my Omaha hole cards.  Those
of you familiar with Omaha will appreciate the irony in this.  Also, you
will realize that I REALLY only two 4-of-a-kinds.)

If you haven't been beaten with 4-of-a-kind, you've still got your poker
cherry.
  
>  Jon Rosen

JR
From: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Price)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: roulette
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:47:15 GMT
Reply-To: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: chuckles

In article 7749@oswego.Oswego.EDU, yacs3500@Oswego.EDU (Brandon Leib) writes:
>I found out that that the game of roulette is a big joke.
> ...
>Any comments?

That's why anyone who knows anything about odds will stick to keno and leave those
other games to the suckers.

:-)

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kaufman@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Stephen A. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Blackjack tips for beginners/Casinos in Minneapolis
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.001507.17725@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>In article <Bx7I5s.FCD@ns1.nodak.edu> teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod) writes:
>
>>Yes, that's been confirmed that they went back to a stutter shuffle, and 
>>according to a pit boss, the tables have been DUMPING for about 2 weeks
>>now.  Seem fishy?
>
>In my response, I interpreted "DUMPING" as dumping for the casino, but
>probably Dr. Snake (Dr. Snake?!) meant dumping out to the players.
>Well, whatever, it doesn't matter.  The shuffle probably wasn't responsible
>for any perceived change in house take (especially if this less trackable
>shuffle seemed to result in a lower house take.)
>
DUMPING is a "technical term" used by critters.  It ALWAYS means
a table that is paying out to the players like mad.

Dr. K.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Odds
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:22:41 GMT

In article <1dv9j7INN2d9@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:

> Does any body know the odds of the 49ers winning the superbowl this year?

As of 10/20/92, the Stardust was offering 7-2.

> Did Vegas already post odds on who will win the world series in 93, who are the
> longshots to win the world series and what are the odds

From the Stardust again:

Rockies: 500-1
Marlins: 500-1
Angels: 75-1
Mariners: 60-1
Tigers, Astros, Phillies, and Giants are all 50-1.

The top picks are:

Braves: 4-1
Blue Jays: 5-1
White Sox: 8-1

> Does any body know thy odds of the Golden State Warriors winning the NBA Title
> this year?

The Stardust is offering 8-1 on the Warriors.  The Bulls are the favorite
at 3-2.

Mike Sager
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: LV recommedations requested...
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:09:18 GMT

In article <40234@unix.SRI.COM> shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu) writes:
>Ok, it's that time of year again, I'm heading out to LV this
>weekend (11/6 - 11/8) and I want to find out conditions and
>locations for single deck games and low stakes. Ideally I would like
>to play at $1 single deck tables with strip rules. My puny bankroll
>can't handle the $5 tables (I would only have 80 units!.)
>
>Any suggestions?

Yes two:

 Circus Circus ($1 minimum, single deck, strip rules, 2 rounds of 7 spots)
 Frontier      ($1 minimum, single deck, strip rules + DAS, 2 rounds of 6)

Try $2 off the top, up to $4 or down to $1 on the second round.  The games
are slow, but very profitable on a per round basis.  In fact, the risk is
so low that you could afford two such hands on your $400 bankroll, except
that they won't let you play just $1 on each of two hands.  After you feel
like you know what you're doing, you could probably afford to switch to
$2 units (just one one hand, though).

Frontier and Circus Circus are the perfect places to start building a
blackjack bankroll, though your $$$/hour at first will be sub-minimum wage
and way below expenses.

>Oh, I do count (Hi-Lo w/ some strategy adj.)
>
>A question on strategy adj... how are they ranked in order of importance
>for the first 12 or so... (I remeber reading some time back that the
>first 12 give you about 90% of the advantage.)

JJ is the expert on that.

>I'm using:
>
>Insurance
>16 vs 10
>15 vs 10
>10,10 vs 5
>10,10 vs 6
>10 vs 10
>
>I think this ranking is from an article named "Illustrious 18.", but
>I don't have the rest of it.

Yes, those are the biggies.  Also, if you plan to play at both Frontier
and Circus Circus, learn basic strategy for splitting on single deck
with both DAS and no-DAS.

>Michael Hall: So you're know using Wong Halves? Do you have a new
>version of "How to Beat Single Deck Blackjack" out covering the
>use of Wong Halves and strategy tables?

Nope.  Maybe some day.  Meanwhile, you could use "Professional Blackjack"
by Wong, but I suggest using doubled count values and half deck true
counts instead of Wong's fractional count values and full deck true
counts.  And don't use the side count of aces, since Wong's numbers
are a bit suboptimal on that for Wong Halves.

>Last question...where can I get the latest FAQ?

The best way is to bug Steve Jacobs by sending mail to jacobs@cs.utah.edu.
But you can also (anonymous) ftp it from the rec.gambling archive at
soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.131.179), in the directory pub/rec.gambling.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Craps Bets
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:01:35 GMT



In article <1992Nov5.142209.11251@walter.bellcore.com>, Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com> writes...
>From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
>Subject: Re: Craps Bets
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:35:31 GMT
> 
>> Do you mean "place to lose" bets?  I've seen those written up in books, but
>> haven't seen them on a layout anywhere (LV, AC, Ledyard), and I haven't seen
>> them described in any of the gaming guide booklets that the casinos have.
> 
>You certainly CAN make don't place bets in AC.  The place on the layout
>for them is on the line(s) right above where the don't come bets go. 
>I've seen them made plenty of times.

By the "line(s) right above where the don't come bets go," I assume you
mean on the line closest to the dealer.

That's a new one on me!  I never noticed that.  Are you sure you haven't
misinterpreted something else?  Next time you go to AC, ask if they'll
take such a bet, and I'll do the same, and let's both of us report back here.

-- --
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  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Charles Cilek)
Subject: Re: roulette
Reply-To: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:49:11 GMT

In article 17889@autodesk.COM, jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
 
> The only place you may get an advantage is at a place called "Rick's",
> in Casablanca.  But you have to be desperate and need money for a passage
> to Lisbon to escape those evil Nazi's...  Hollywood isn't it great!
> 
> What was the number he bet on anyway?  20-something I think.
> Trivial pursuit players need only respond.
> 
> James.

Rick: Have you tried twenty-two today
(to croupier) I said twenty-two
Twenty-two (wins)
Rick:Leave it there (wins again)
Rick: Now get out and don't come back.

Rick (to head croupier): How are we doing?
Croupier: A few thousand francs less than I thought we would be.





Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Craps Bets
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:26:03 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <92310.082639NU035609@NDSUVM1.BITNET> R.C.(Chuck) writes:

> Dave, I think that we are talking about the same bet. I have
> heard it referred to many times as a "Don't Four" or a "No Four".
> If I can buy the "don't four" or the "don't ten", I'll be happy
> because I plan to use it in conjunction with the inside numbers
> (on the right side) and hedge it with hardways and hop bets.

Actually, there are don't place and don't buy bets; the distinction is the same
as on the do side.  BTW, buying 4/10 and placing others is best either way.

> That brings up another question, none of the Craps books I have
> describe the payoff for a hop bet on 3-1 or 6-4. Anyone have the
> answer to that one?

15-1 or 15for1, the same as on 3 or 11.  Similarly, hop doubles pay the same as
2 or 12.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:15:50 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

> >  If you 4-of-a-kind pat is beaten in a draw game, you might consider
> >  giving up poker for life.  Or entering a monastary (oh, same thing :-)
> 
> Oh, come on, JR.  4-of-a-kind ain't that rare.  Last trip to LV I had
> three 4-of-a-kind's playing Omaha hi-lo, all within a few days.

Please read posts carefully before flaming them.  He was taking about five-card
draw, in which 4-of-a-kind *is* a pretty rare event.  It would naturally be
more common in a game like Omaha.

> (My favorite was when I was dealt 4 10's as my Omaha hole cards.  Those
> of you familiar with Omaha will appreciate the irony in this.  Also, you
> will realize that I REALLY only two 4-of-a-kinds.)

For those of you not familiar with Omaha, the procedure is that each player
gets four pocket cards, followed by a round of betting.  Then five table cards
are dealt, with rounds of betting after the third, fourth, and fifth (as in
Hold 'em).  On the showdown, one must use exactly two pocket cards and exactly
three table cards.  The irony > refers to is that he actually has oly a pair
and little hope of improvement, so his hand is really garbage.

> If you haven't been beaten with 4-of-a-kind, you've still got your poker
> cherry.

I don't know, I imagine there are good players out there who never play
anything but lowball. At least give them credit for losing with a 6-5.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: FAQ?
Summary: faq request
Keywords: faq
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:14:19 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Does this group have an FAQ to explain the unfamiliar terms to newcomers?



Without change,                         *David Barber*
   nothing can ever get better.            @}-->----

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: howard@tybalt.ultra.com (Howard Simonson)
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Reply-To: howard@ultra.com
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.024851.25082@Princeton.EDU>, ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov4.202557.11388@unislc.uucp> mgc@unislc.uucp (Marc Christensen) writes:
|> >From what I have seen in Nevada electronics devices including cameras are
|> >"PROHIBITED". I Don't know if this is by law or house rules.
|> >The reason should be obvious from your post.
|> >I hear some casinos have devices to detect electronics devices from the
|> >RF they put out. So such a device would have to be very well shielded in 
|> >addition to being hidden as you propose.
|> >
|> >Marc Christensen
|> >
|> 
|> My blackjack "computer" operates asychronously and thus does not emit any
|> detectable RF signals...

Well, I'm always walking around Reno in my multi-pocketed leather jacket,
and typically, my Sharp Wizard handheld doodad is in my inside pocket, and
I have yet to be "yanked and frisked" or whatever.  And I'm sure I'm putting
out some RF from the thing.

Hey, you know what might be really interesting to try; I used to keep my
garage door opener in the pocket of my jacket (I ride a motorcyle) and
whenever I'd go into the Wherehouse (audio/video store) it would set off
the walk-through security scan thing like clockwork.  God knows why, I
guess it just kinda "resonated" with the thing.  Anyway, try carrying one
of those around the Nevada and see if you get a free trip to the "backroom" :)
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From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: roulette
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:39:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.220910.7749@oswego.Oswego.EDU> yacs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Brandon Leib) writes:
>I found out that that the game of roulette is a big joke.
>No matter which type of bet you put down, the house will
>come out ahead in the long run.
>In other words, if you are dumb enough to play and you win,
>take your winnings and try something with better odds.
>For each game, the expectancy is -5.26
>In other words, the house will win 5 dollars in the long run 
>for every bet that is made (using $100 bet).
>So, no matter what the bet is, your expectancy will be a loss.
>Any comments?

  Yup, yo right :-)  Well, except for the five number bet (00-0-1-2-3).
  In that case, the house takes a full 7% :-)  So see, there ARE stupider
  things you can do :-)

  Jon
   -- "Yo, Blair, did you say let it ride?"