From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportations
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:53:10 GMT

In article <529@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:

# Israel's  recent  decison  to  expel  from   their   own   country   410
# Palestinians,  none  of  whom has been charged with any offence before a
# court of law, is contrary to the 4th Geneva convention,  and  ignores  a
# Security Council resolution condemning the action as illegal.

	Several errors and an irrelevant point have been made here by you.
First of all, it was not their country.  They have never had a
country.  That there was no court of law is an error since there was
no need for one.  They were expelled fong members in a terrorist
organization, not for participating in the Toledano murder.  It is not
a violation of the Geneva convention.

	Now, even if the actions are illegal, a government's first
priority is self defense and protection of its citizens.  Whether or
not their actions meet international standards must always be
secondary.  Therefore, this point is irelevent.

# This draws our attention once again  to  the  unsolved  problem  of  the
# ongoing Israeli occupation of the territories seized in the war of 1967,

	Those territories were liberated by Israel, which does not occupy
them.  However, there are plenty of homes still in those territories
that are occupied by Arabs but belong to Jews (as evidenced by mezuza
holes) who were either expelled or killed.

# which Israel continues to hold in defiance of both international law and
# specific United Nations Resolutions.

	See above.

# I have a proposal for solving this problem.  We should  proceed  exactly
# as  in  the case of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and the enforcement of
# resolution 660.  As follows.

	Perhaps we should look at those proposals.  But they must be
imposed where there is a real obligation to.  Like against Great
Britain for its illegal occupation of Northern Ireland.

	After the Intifada first started and British diplomats were
chastising Israel, David Broder wrote an excellent column claiming the
Brits had better shut up since their behavior with respect to Northern
Ireland made Israel look like Miss manners.

# 1) A mandatory arms embargo and comprehensive economic sanctions  should
# be  imposed  on  Israel,  enforced  by  shooting down Israeli planes and
# sinking Israeli ships that seek to trade with the outside world.

	Sunstitute Great Britain for Israel.

# 2) Israel should be given 28 days notice to comply with security council
# resolution  number  242  of  1967,  by withdrawing from all the occupied
# territories, including the West Bank, the Gaza strip, the Golan Heights,
# the  "security  zone"  in  South  Lebanon,  and last but not least, East
# Jerusalem.  Failing unconditional and total compliance by the set  date,
# the Jewish state should be bombed to shit, as was done to Iraq.

	Substitute Great Britain for Israel, Northern Ireland for all of
the areas listed above, and British for Jewish and you may have
something.

# Any objections?

	Before or after Buckingham Palace gets nuked?

# 	   ------------------------------------------
 
# Just joking of course.  I am not in favour of bombing cities.  I  didn't
# like  seeing  it  done  to  Iraq,  and  I  wouldn't want it to happen to
# anywhere else either.  But it is time for the rest of us to tell  Israel
# that its treatment of the Palestinians is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

	I agree it is unacceptable.  There should be more expulsions until
the terrorists are all gone or have given up.  That would be
acceptable.
 
# (A British Jew who does NOT support Israel.)

	Do you support Britain?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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