From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:27:06 GMT

pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:


>     Every time a certain fool (my mother would have said
>he's a PHULE) misquotes me, I'll post the $50,000.00 Offer.
>Here's for a starter.
> 
><                   $50,000.00 OFFER
> 
>< There is a standing offer of $50,000.00 to one who
>< can prove or arrange any one of the following:
> 
>< 1.   Prove there was_one_gas chamber in Nazi-occupied
><      territory for the purposes of genocide during World
><      War II.
> 
	There were many. You know there were many. All your Nazi
buddies know there were many. I doubt very much that in your indoctrination
into the world according to Holocaust Revisionism you were not shown plenty
of evidence (although, of course for the purpose of 'debunking' this evidence)
that go at least a long way toward proving the existence of gas chambers for
the purpose of genocide during World War II. There is still other evidence
I'm sure you have not seen; some even that you have not yet been trained how
to respond to. Since you know very well that there were gas chambers and yet
deny it for reasons that scare the shit out of me, I'm not even interested
in asking you what you would accept as proof. I know the answer; you would
not accept anything as proof, and whatever proof exists you will deny as part
of the "International Jewish Conspiracy."

>< 2.   Prove there was_one_person gassed in a so-called gas
><      chamber in Nazi-occupied territory during World War
><      II.
> 
	Again, you know very well there were millions.  The sheer magnitude
of the insult you are espousing, the hatred to all of those who died and the
people who lost their loved ones in that horrible tragedy makes me shudder.

>< 3.   Prove there were_one_ million Jews who died, from all
><      causes, in Nazi-occupied territory during World War
><      II.

	So you are willing to believe 900,000? But no policy of extermination,
I'm sure. So the real substance of your position is not that the Jewish people
did not suffer a horrifying tragedy of a horrifying scale, but that the Nazi
government had no policy of genocide. A policy of interning 'undesirables,'
you admit (denying it would be just a bit too ludicrous given all the film
taken at the time, I suppose) but no policy of genocide. In other words, the
true agenda here is defending the character of the Nazi government to the point
of taking a completely ludicrous and scientifically unsupportable position
on historical facts.

>< 4.   Prove_The Diary of Anne Frank_is not a hoax.
> 
	It never ceases to amaze just how devious you try to believe this
"International Jewish Conspiracy" really is. I can see it now "Hmmm, how do
we convince the world that six million of us have died horribly, so that we
can be felt sorry for the world over?" ... "I know, we'll write a phony diary
complete with all manner of supporting detail! And then, of course, take over
all the newspapers, magazines, television and radio everywhere ine the whole
world! And then conceal the fact that we are really in control, even from
ourselves!"

>< 5.   Convince a major U.S. network to televise and show
><      proof of televising "Tour of Auschwitz Fakes" (written
><      and narrated by Ditlieb Felderer, born a Jew) on
><      nationwide TV in prime time.
> 

	Why? Is this your fantasy, that your hateful lies will be spread to
such an audience? Is there, perhaps, a reason why you have chosen TV and not
some other medium? Something to do with the low-fact-content high-propaganda-
impact nature of television, perhaps? No, I'm sure it wasn't that.
	"Born" a Jew? What, has the man been "cured" of this "undesirable
trait" by the "good news of Holocaust Revisionism?"

>< 6.   Convince a major U.S. network to televise and show
><      proof of televising a debate on the so-called
><      HOLOCAUST GASSINGS on nationwide TV in prime time with
><      three participants chosen by the Exterminationists and
><      three chosen by the Revisionists.  Two hour minimum.
> 
	Reminds of the challenges by Creationists seeking to debate physical
anthropologists. Only those foolish enough not to realize that you can not
argue against irrational faith took it up. At least here you seem to be willing
to put your views up to scrutiny. The thing is, from a scholarly perspective
there is absolutely nothing to be gained from this that the world doesn't know
already -- that the Holocaust revisionists are a bunch of Nazi phonies that
have found a position so horrific it curdles the blood. Perhaps it would be
worthwhile, on the other hand, if only because it would be quite likely to
enrage so many people against the "Holocaust Revisionists" that they would
be mauled to death the next time they were in public. I must admit to you, I
believe your cause is so evil that I would not feel sorry one bit if any of you
were to meet such an end. World War II is the one war that, if I were alive
and of fighting age at the time, I would have fought in. Holocaust Revisionist
is just another term for Nazi.

>< 7.   Convince a major U.S. network to televise in prime
><      time, and show proof of televising, all 122 fake
><      Holocaust pictures shown in Udo Walendy's `FORGED WAR
><      CRIMES MALIGN THE GERMAN NATION', including Walendy's
><      analytical comments.

	I've seen many of the supposed fakes. Looking at these photos, which
bear absolutely no compelling signs of being forgeries, and taken as a whole
are absolutely insane to believe are *all* careful forgeries made for the
prupose of fooling people into believing an imaginary genocide, and then
thinking that somewhere, some Nazi is showing them to some kid, telling the
kid that all those glasses in heaps are "drawings," that the bags of human
hair are "drawings," and so on and so on, I really shuddered. In fact, I almost
cried, and I don't mean that in any other way than face value. It's hard to
explain -- I guess I'd never seen a picture of so many deaths before, and
then to have it coupled with the "analytical comments" explaining how the
photos are supposedly "forgeries." It's fucking spooky, I'll tell you.

><                       Ralph Winston
> 
>He, she or they offering the $50,000 could, I believe, safely
>increase the amount to $1,000,000 or $1,000,000,000 and still
>not risk a dime.  The truth of the direct and indirect money-
	
	Well, of course they could, and of course they wouldn't.
Because there is no proof you will accept as proof and no
good reason to televise your lies.

>making golden-haired twosome (the Holocaust and the Anne
>Frank Diary) worth trillions of dollars (to you know whom),

	The Holocaust "story" is worth trillions of dollars???
Do you really believe this? What, you think the U.S. government's
aid to Israel (still, even since 1945, nowhere near even one trillion)
is given out of pity? 

>is hidden from our citizens by the (you know who) controlled
>media like the Crown Jewels, and exposure strictly
>prohibited.  They want no monkey wrench in the Giant

	Here you are just plain stupid. Take myself: reporter for a student
newspaper, of the belief that conspiratorial politics is the rule and not
the exception, of the opinion that it was a mistake to rob the Palestinians
of their land in order to create a Zionist state (but that a peacefully
negotiated settlement establishing two separate democratic autonomous
is the best path today), of the belief that the Israeli government is probably
lying about the extent of its arms sales to China, of the belief that the
current Israeli state is a racist, fascist threat to world peace, in fact --
and here I know I won't be popular -- even of the belief that Jewish religion
is a dangerous politically motivated lie (as are most religions in my opinion,
notably Christianity, Islam, Hinduism; and I do not mean by this that
present-day believers are not well meaning believers). Do you really think
that I am controlled by the "International Jewish Conspiracy?"
	We got Bradley Smith's ad. At first, not really knowing what was
going on, I thought we should run it along with the results of our own
research. After beginning the research into Smith and you folks, I quickly
changed my mind to being fully against dignifying your noxious garbage with
so much as space on the letters-to-the-editor page. You can cry about
censorship all you want; go print your own damn paper is what I say, we're
not obligated to publicize Nazi movements.
	So there you are. Theorize all you want about how I was controlled
by the Jewish conspiracy; the facts are I talked to one historian of the
Holocaust (who, since your mindset thinks this matters, isn't Jewish)
talked to one Jewish student and read two - count 'em - two press releases
from Jewish organizations about the IHR and Bradley Smith. I thought the
press releases were perhaps a little too quick to smear the Liberty Lobby
with responsibility for Holocaust Revisionism, although they may have more
information on that than they substantiated in their press releases. That's
it, that's the sum total of my contacts with the "International Jewish
Conspiracy." And here I am, not only as current student newspaper reporter
but as future alternative magazine reporter, fully opposed to giving your
cause any publicity whatsoever. You can daydream all you want about the
"trillions of dollars," as far as I'm concerned it's just a matter of
journalistic integrity not to dignify scurrilous lies with the air of honest
opinions. That's how monsters like George Bush are created.

>Generator.  When inevitably these Hoaxes hit the fan, the
>event will be momentous to this century as the bomb, the
>tube, the pill.
> 
	No one's holding their breath.

>At least one person, I have learned, tried to earn the
>$50,000.00.  After two weeks his attorney, looking into the
>facts and televising possibilities, informed him he had
>better forget about it.
> 
	Actually, I think you're inventing this story out of whole cloth.
No one needs an attorney to tell them the TV challenges are just plain silly.

>Pete Faust
>Institute for Relearning

	By the way, I also believe that the majority of the history taught
to us is biased and in some cases false. I don't appreciate the way you
try to piggy-back your theories about the Holocaust on honest skepticism,
either.

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