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From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: A FEW UFO (FACTS?)
Followup-To: :D.Preby
Keywords: Alien help
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:02:33 GMT



Charles writes in reply to

 dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu (WRITER OF CAPITAL LETTERS)

	   	 Unfortunately, the assertion that the pyramids (at least) require
		aliens to build just doesn't hold up.  The techniques used are not
		that hard, providing you have enough labor, and motive.  Even the
		"mystic pi" stuff has terrestrial solution...

I agree entirely with Charles. This sort of topic is fascinating, but if you take the trouble to really 
read up about it (not the sensationalist books, but a serious scholar) then you realize that those people 
really were capable of these things. Easter Island, the Pyramids, Stonehenge, the Nazca "sky art", 
(and here I must side with the very irate supporter of modern-day "monuments", things like stealth 
too) have people who have studied them and can explain them. (I have a text from 1980 which quotes 
William Perry, chief of R&D for the Defence Dept., who says that stealth research has been going on 
since the early 1960s.) The pyramids were not made by slaves, but by paid workers. Some of the 
pyramids were extremely badly designed. (One collapsed during the building, killing hundreds of people, 
another had to be "flattened off" during its construction...) It's often the "sensationalist" writers who 
make the money, while the serious students are ignored, often of course because they are not as 
interesting. (Of all of the sensational Bermuda Triangle stories I've read, I've never read one without a 
simple explanation.) Have you seen those stones at Stonehenge? No self-respecting alien would be 
associated with such a rough job. (And nobody will openly admit that the whole "temple" was built 
slightly out of alignment, although this is the case...) Of course, for the technology of the time, it's an 
absolute masterpiece. The builders may have even come from Spain to build it (Iberians). Same goes 
for the pyramids. Almost incredible for those days. Hats off to those engineers.

Now, what about these greys... Do they have souls, do they really interbreed with humans, are they 
the ones behind the animal mutilations, has the US Government made a treaty with them, are the 
abduction stories true... these are the questions, because there are no experts (yet) to ask...

Regards to all,   Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: Ho Hum.
Followup-To: God
Keywords: God / Hate
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:46:01 GMT


John's talking about what Frank says

	Frank:
	... God is available to us all by reading the Words of Jesus, praying and 
	helping others. God is not a God of hate..

		John:  Er... Try reading Leviticus 18:22 (Good News Bible, New English Version) 
		where it says that he hates poofs; or are you going to be one of those Pauline Grace 
		V Levitical Law twerps as in alt.atheism? Is the OT God a different entity to the NT God?

 	Exactly. That's the whole point. (Except that the OT entity 
	is a figment of someone's imagination.) I certainly don't go 
	along with everything that Frank says, but here he is absolutely 
	correct.
	This is exactly what Jesus came to tell everyone.
	He said, "Look our people got it wrong. God loves us all."
	But the Jews of those days just couldn't accept it.

	He couldn't say to people who were in a real bad way:"There's no such 	
	thing as sin", so he told them that their "sins were forgiven them".

	Even his disciples tried to interpret what he said according to 
	Jewish tradition. The OT has got very little to do with Christianity.
	I think the "Christian Church" tries to make a compromise, doesn't it?
	Maybe not. (I'm not a member.) It's got nothing to do with ETs, but we 
	are all sons and daughters of God, and he loves us *all*. Just because 	
	some old "prophet" goes around writing about the "wrath" of God doesn't 
	mean it's true. Quoting the Bible doesn't *prove* anything.
	You may just as well believe what I say if I say I'm a prophet!

	(Or will you let me quote from "A Course In Miracles"?)
	
	What's so special about the Bible anyway? It's just a set of "books" 	
	selected (and edited) by a group of old fellows back in the 4th Century.

	If you look carefully, it's sometimes easy to see where someone's 		
	"interpreted" what Jesus said, or something that has depth. I believe 	
	even the NT was written down more than two generations after J's death?
	
	May God bless you all, my brothers (and sisters)!    Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
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From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:24:49 GMT

In article <Bu0pzH.Hsq@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns?

You're right.  Far BETTER to MOCK his MESSENGERS.

>GOD speaks through children and the insane.

Well, you're half right.



Marc G. Frank                                      mgfrank@avernus.com
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From: brown@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown)
Subject: Alien Gifts 2
Reply-To: brown@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:28:07 GMT


.. all of their music consists of ..
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The text (part 2)
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 18:31:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 09:07:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca>
  <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> <65162@cup.portal.com>
  <65195@cup.portal.com> <65367@cup.portal.com>

Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 3.
  After getting back in our cars we went about 5 more miles
up the PC highway, then turned right on a road that sounds
like Belken, It is not my purpose to tell people exactly where this city is 
but if you really want to find it you will or you can 
take the tour. You might get killed if you try this the wrong way. 
We encountered snakes, poison oak, poison ivy and some trails that
can be very dangerous if you don't have a good guide to direct you.
  After going up this road for a mile or two we came to an area
where a large rock wall came down a hill.  It was missing when it
went across the road then it started again and went up the hill.
R. pointed out that the wall was made of cement and artificial rock.
I made for sure that I was hearing him right by asking him if he 
didn't mean that the walls were made by just picking up the stones
on the ground and cementing them together. Her then stated that it
was made of artificial rock. These walls were about 10 feet tall
and about 2 feet wide. He said that the walls were made to keep wild animals 
such as the saber toothed tiger (not that they were alive
then) and wild people out.
  I the told R. that these walls looked exactly like the Mysterious
Rock Walls that extend from Berkeley, Calif. to Milpitas and have
to do with the focusing of Ley Lines. He said that he had heard of
them and it was true about the Ley Lines. He had shown a geologist 
some outcroppings in mountains before but he refused to recognize
them as anything artificial. He believes that these walls were
originally made to have a charge on them and would shock a person
if they touched the walls.
  R. mentioned that these walls were the last thing that he discov-
ed about the city and were the iceing on the cake that proved to 
him that the city was an actuality.
  After seeing this wall we went about a mile and saw another wall
that was 20 feet tall and 50 feet long and was at an angle to the
ground. This wall had been laid down in different layers using 
different  colors of material. All of this reminded me of a 
boulder that I and a friend tore apart using just a screw driver and 
no hammer. This was up on Mission Peak in the Fremont, Calif. area.
The boulder looked like any other rock but after you chipped away
the outside vineer the inside was made of smaller rocks put together
with cement. As you went further inside the boulder it was evident
that it was man made.
End part 3. John Winston. 
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From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: Loose Lips
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:24:27 GMT


As for their being no mention (official) of any UFO at Roswell you
are wrong, of course. Are you forgetting or simply denying that
the Roswell AAF Press Officer did release exactly that story to 
the Press? That did happen, it's a simple fact.

Now, does'nt it seem awfully unlikely and absurd to imagine that
an officer (and he who gave him the story) would simply fabricate
that? Absurd, he was the only one in that office, ie. it would
be obvious that he made the release, why on Earth would he shoot
himself in the foot with a bogus story? Are we going to think that
perhaps he released a totally unsubstantiated sottory?

I'll make no assumptions about anything, but I will look at clear
facts and insist that they be upheld as such. Hell, I don't know
whahappened, nor do you, but none of us can deny that the press
release was made and that it's unlikely that it was a hoax or
a mistake given its source.

I imagine that if one were to try to find one glaring fact in the
whole question that this might be the strongest candidate.


Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:6613 alt.conspiracy:10599
From: sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 14 Sep 1992 03:43:39 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep13.203005.15973@nmsu.edu> spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon) writes:
)
)OH MY GAWD!!! MY roomate has been cloned!!!!! NO shit! I was like getting ready
)for bed last night..He had like fallen asleep and then ALL of the sudden he
)starts chanting in an alien tongue...then this WEIRD green light came over him
)I was scared shitless! What should I do? I NEED HELP!!!

There is no need to panic.  What is your name, address, and social
security number?  You will be picked up soon by the Proper Authorities...
do not resist.
-- 
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From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium?
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:28:52 GMT

In article <65641@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever
|> you would like to know.
|> John Winston.

Please Garrett,
Don't play the governments game. He is an agent/grey/nut.
Please don't ask him anything. Your read enough of his
crap from others questions. 

love and kisses

	Rocko
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From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE!
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:30:19 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
}In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes:
}> Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE.
}> I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by
}> walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might
}> be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow
}> 
}GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY
}ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR.

Oh, don't be absurd...of course they're not aliens...they do, however, work for the
aliens.  Oh, and they don't appreciate the Scum appelation...

}DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M 
}PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT
}CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING
}FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE
}WORLD.<ACK...ACK...COUGH...(SORRY...HAIRBALL)>

The cats are not your enemies...They are our friends.  They are, of course,
working to take over the planet, but it is for our own good!  

It's them damned squirrels that are our enemies!  But you'll learn, sooner
or later.

}THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT
}A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE).  AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT
}IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE
}MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!!

Well, they wouldn't wear them while YOU are watching...you obviously aren't
ready for them yet.


Are you sure you aren't working for the Squirrels?


Lance
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From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Tesla CORRECTION
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:54:40 GMT

 <RTaTqB1w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Victor Spicer  ) writes:
|> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > Ed - so you'd be of the opinion that Tesla _did_ in fact get some of
|> > his ideas telepathically from pigeons (as he claimed)?
|> > 
|> > 	RA
|> 
|> 
|> telepathically from pidgeons? cool... where can one find documentation of 
|> this statement? 
|> 
|> i've gone through a copy of tesla's colorado springs notes from around 
|> 1896, it looks like the lab notes of a fairly sane person.
|> 
|> ;--- (Victor Spicer  ) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
|> ;E-mail: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
|> ;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8


No, no, no, Victors.

RA ment to type "some of their ideas" 
                         ^^^^^
You see it's the group TESLA that has been communicating with

pidgeons, not the man from which they take their name.

Check out the liner notes on their last CD.

love and kisses

	Rocko
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <--
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:32:28 GMT

DAVIS (gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu) wrote:

: with the aliens and all the car commericals with the wheat field B>S> so i  
: think more than one company talking three big corportations i.e Miller Light
: (A.B.) and Oldsmobile (G.M. Corp) and the other I can't remember is out for  

Um.....Miller is owned by RJ Reynolds/Nabisco, not A. Busch.  Busch is made
in Missouri, with swampwater.  Miller is made in Milwaukee, where beer should
be made.  (according to the atrophied American tastes, anyway).

We in Milwaukee are touchy about beer.  Me, I drink homebrew or German stuff.

Back to the a.a.v insanity, sorry for the interruption.

: gdavis@NMSU.edu      And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!!

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:43:58 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <Bu0pzH.Hsq@world.std.com>, believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
|>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!cs.widener.edu!eff!world!believer


|>
|>Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns?
|>


	Having a beer and watching a football game.  If he comes in I'll
	offer he/she/it a beer and soft chair.

|>>(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?)
|>
|>The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the
|>world did not end 1000 years early?

	
	Oh! Where?

|>GOD speaks through children and the insane.
	
	and through my plastic Jesus on the dashboard.
|>
|>-- 
|>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
|>--+--                                                            --+--
|>  |                       The rest pay cash                        |
|>  |                                                                |
|>


	Steve Food_for_the_Grays

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: stevans@resumix.portal.com (Mark Stevans)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Organization: Resumix, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:14:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes:
>
>In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes...
> <stuff about how national security is at stake, you know, deleted> 
>>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
>
>Gary,
>You know what makes all this not particularly believable?

Through his postings, Gary is trying to send us a message -- describing the
world as he sees it to anyone who cares to listen.  I, for one, care to
listen.  I may not share much of his world-view, since my own life has differed
greatly from his, but I want to hear what he has to say.  His postings are
among the most interesting in this newsgroup -- please don't attempt to stifle
him.  Thank you for your courtesy.

MLS
From: Greg_Goss@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Goss)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO/alien themes in ads
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:39:41 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Ads with a UFO theme?


You didn't mention Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

Crop circles are caused by R's PBCs in various TV and bus ads often featuring a
baffled scientist with a PBC landing and taking off again behind him.

I don't know how wide the airplay is on these.  I didn't pay attention to which
channel I saw them on (US or Canadian).

.../greg

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