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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:11:33 GMT

In article <BuDG2y.KsJ@nic.umass.edu> procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA) writes:
>Just a little thought re: Youth Gangs, guns, and the drug trade.  Youth Gangs 
>are not the ones that are making the big money here folks.  The big money is
>made before the drugs ever reach the level of the street.  Besides, doesn't
>it occur to anyone that if gangs couldn't afford the guns, they would simply
>steal them.

I don't think it is that simple. I would guess that many if not most
of the guns that gangs possess are not acquired through legitimate
channels -- i.e. they didn't buy them from gun shops. They probably
get most of their stuff from sources that don't have permanent
addresses (roving illegal gun dealers). If the money dried up, it is
not obvious to me that the gangs would be able to steal enough guns
from legitimate dealers to keep up their inventories. Take a look at
Washington D.C. The gun control laws there are very strict. Yet the
city is still awash in guns. Somebody must be bringing all these
weapons into the city and selling them on the streets. But if the
money dried up, would these weapons now be available for gangs to
steal? I don't think so.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ecstacy and Raves
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:11:51 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <Med=Je_00VIE840UMm@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joey Chan) writes:
>Just curious to know if anyone out there has done Ecstacy in an
>environment other than a rave party.  I have done it many times but only
>at raves, and was wondering how it feels or if it lasts longer than at a
>rave. 
>
although i of course would never take drugs, i have this friend who has.
he says that taking X with a gropup of close friends and plkaying some
really happy music is even better than taking it at a rave.
the closeness one feels with friends is magnified times a huindred.
it doesnt last longer though. he recommends that you try it sometime.
.



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 camper english(mom always said, don't play ball in the house)@buphy.bu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo)
Subject: Re: Idea for New Drug
Organization: Twilight-Zone-Algorithms-Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:15:25 GMT

In article <1941@ceylon.gte.com> RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
>
>In article <92253.193957NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>   You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  
>> This is technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body 
>
>Very interesting theory. Very wrong, but still, very interesting.
>[..]
>or tines from a forklift and have them shoot across the room into or 
>through the tube.
>
>Tines from a forklift... it really happened! The technician inside got 
>busted up purdy bad, but he survived.
>
>So, no, it won't turn your brains into instant pudding.

well, unless of course the forklift tines happen to be shaped like a
egg-beater whisk.

So much for the idea of basement-electronic-mind-expansion:

"Car 54, Car 54, ten-oh-five in progress somewhere near 37 Jefferson
Street"

"roger, Car 54 proceeding to area of 37 Jefferson street, out"

"hey Sarge, look! All the streetlights are dimming! and whats more, they
are all bending towards that house on the left!  One of them magnet-heads 
must be juicing up again!"

"great! I'll put the cruiser into neutral and we'll just drift right
into his driveway.  We`ll teach those techno-junkies to 'just say NO to
electrons'!"

--gaspo.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:48:01 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >: Trust an Angelino - they do have automatic weapons.  So does
: >: everybody else around here; show up on New Years, when everybody
: >: gives their arsenal some celebratory exercise...
: 
: >OK - maybe I should have been clearer. Please define an automatic weapon.
: 
: 	An automatic weapon is a firearm which fires continiously so long 
: as the trigger remains depressed.  i.e. only one pull of the trigger is
: needed to empty a 20 rd clip, for example, rather than 20 seperate 
: trigger pulls.

Good, you got it correct also.

: 	Rather than the "PopPopPopPopPop" sound of a normal gun being fired 
: fast, i.e. distinct shots, one would hear a continous racket for an instant,
: (I have no typeable sound effect for this.  8^)

From the experience I have had firing automatic weapons, they do not fire
that much faster than a semi-automatic. They are just more convenient to
fire rapidly - you cannot defeat the cycle time of the machinery.

Now, all we have to do is show that there are a lot of these weapons out 
there - and that they are primarily owned by gang members.  Remember that
the police and news media often misidentify firearms - either by choice or
because they do not know any better. To many police officers, anything that
is not a pump or bolt action weapon magicallly becomes an "automatic" weapon.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:59:16

In article <1992Sep6.223054.3041@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

   1) substances metabolised rapidly (e.g. by MAO) before a significant 
      concentration in the brain can develop (e.g. DMT)

   I am not aware of any tryptamines in commonly used Psilocybe
   species which would fall into category (1). MAOI could
   possibly effect the metabolism of psilocin, and thus
   potentiate it. 

The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
only mildly effective. Psilocin is metabolized into more potent psilocybin
Using MAOI would slow/stop metabolism of the effective substance. Therefore,
using MAOI would make psilocin *less* potent. 
--
--
Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland)
Subject: Fuck You All 
Distribution: world
Organization: nexnix
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:33:48 +0000

In article <qg3wqB1w164w@kryton.UUCP> system@kryton.UUCP writes:

>
>bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>
>> Yet another product of that miracle of social evolution, California.
>> 
>Some one as bad as a racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Jawaid was generalizing (which I agree is a dangerous thing to do)
about a state where children watch TV 8 hours a day and the majority are
happy to take the path of least resistance and not think for themselves.

OK, most other places in the world have a similar majority to California,
but California is the home of Hollywood and is seen by many throughout the
world as THE ideal place to live.

I actually think that San Fransisco is a real cool city, but it is not
usually associated with Californian suburbia (not in the UK anyway).

Has Jawaid replied to this?

Gary.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:07:14 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <ASH.92Sep2082822@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> The Ann Arbor News carried a story about a new designer drug known as
> CAT (methcathinone) and which is chemically similar to
> methamphetamine....
>  'It doesn't take a whiz-bang to
> put this stuff together.  It takes about 24 hours.  It's like making
> cookies,' said Michigan State Police Sgt. James Davis.  CAT
> ingredients include acetone, toluene, and muriatic or hydrochloric
> acid, officials said."

Bollocks. These compounds would be involved in nearly any kind
of organic synthesis. They conveniently leave out the important
bit: the organic precursor.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Subject: Re: Nutmeg.. a joke?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:03:08 GMT

In article <79307@ut-emx.uucp> jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Seth Byrn) writes:
>Well I went out today and spent 3 bucks for 51 grams of nutmeg, after 
>which I consumed about 3 tablespoons of the stuff.  That was around 3:30pm.
>Now it's 8:42pm and the only effects I've felt are a slight headache and
>a bad taste in my mouth from that awful shit.  I read that it takes from
>one to five hours to take effect.  Well if it doesn't hit me real soon I'm
>going to have my doubts.  Does anybody know if it matters whether or not
>the stuff is fresh ground or can you just buy it off the shelf?  I bought
>McCormick's East Indian pre-ground.  It was very disgusting.  If I try this
>again I think I'll have to mix it with orange juice or something to dull
>the taste.

When I was a sophomore? junior? in high school (not smart enough to go to
college :-) I myself purchased a 51 g tin of McCormick's and ate 2-3 table-
spoons.  I *definitely* got off.  I got off so noticeably that a number of
my friends wanted to try it to...one of *them* got off so hard he had what
might be termed a bad trip.

Nasty, foul stuff, but, when you're young-and-stupid-and-want-to-try-every-
drug-that-comes-your-way(tm), well, it worked for me.

Oh yeah, it worked for 2 days!  Complete with red-eye.  And lots-o-giggling.

I've heard getting an actual nutmeg and grinding it up is more potent, but,
well, my experimental days are long behind me... :-)

later,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
George Clinton in '92
Congress No!  Parliament Yes!
From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Cleveland Plain Dealer article
Date: 15 Sep 1992 01:06:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Did anyone see the article titled "Drug legalization urged to
save cities" from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (nice name) of
August 1?  I just ran across it but don't want to type it in
if its already been posted.....
-- 
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  It's kiss or kill" - X
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Heroin
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 03:39:16 GMT


 Just to clear of some misinformation that someone had posted on the
subject: Heroin is NOT two molecules of morphine linked together. It is a
molecule of morphine with an acetyl group on each of the hydroxyl oxygens
(as oppsed to the ether oxygen which can't have ANYTHING on it or it
couldn't be an ether...). That's two acetyl groups per molecule of heroin.

 IMHO, thw wasting away of heroin addicts is a direct result of its
illegality, but perhaps this is just my silly opinion...

St. Anthony

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From: rjones@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 09 Sep 92 16:12 EST
Subject: Sanity for A.C.T. Drug Laws
Nf-ID: #N:peg:225100145:000:1298
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!rjones    Sep  9 16:12:00 1992



MEDIA RELEASE

9 September 1992


SANITY AT LAST FOR A.C.T. DRUG LAWS


"The ACT Government has taken the eminently sensible and
rational step of decriminalising marijuana and is to be
congratulated for that," said Democrat Richard Jones, MLC.

"No doubt we will get the usual crop of inane comments from
those who are perfectly happy to see 20,000 people die every
year from tobacco use and 3,500 people die every year from
alcohol use, whilst there is not one recorded death from
marijuana use.

"Experience in the USA and Europe shows that decriminalisation
does not lead to an increase in marijuana use and, indeed, in
many cases has lead to a decline.

"What the ACT decision means is that the several thousand
people who use marijuana in the ACT will no longer become
criminals if caught and valuable police resources can be
switched to other more important law enforcement areas.

"The current laws in New South Wales lead to contempt for law
and order by the half a million or so people who currently use
it, including very many young people.

"The ACT decision will lead to some interesting legal
complications for those arrested in Queanbeyan who claim to
have used the drug in the ACT.

"It is about time that the New South Wales Government saw the
light as well," concluded Mr Jones.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:01:26 GMT

jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

>   If heroin is converted to morphine in vivo, why is it five times more
>potent? Does it cross the blood-brain barrier better?
>-- 

	I've read it as being 1.5 to 2.5 as potent.   I believe the 
reason is that is crosses the bb barrier faster and more effeciently.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:25:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.233948.3273@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>About 30 years ago, when I was in high school and had never heard of the NFA,
>I converted 2 .22 automatics to full auto (they have since been destroyed).
>The first one converted itself when a screw came loose. The second required
>rebuilding the trigger mechanism. Yes, you can do it easily. No, I won't
>do it even for $2000 because it is illegal.

Did either of these conversions _stop_ firing when the trigger was
released? Or did they continue to fire, out of control, until they 
ran out of ammunition or jammed? If they continued to fire, you 
produced two _broken_, almost useless, weapons, not two full auto weapons.

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Yohimbe (Passionflower)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:00:31 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug31.030444.12556@u.washington.edu>, lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
> 
>>Has anyone had experience, specifically success, using passionflower
>>for the purpose of orally activiating tryptamines?
>>Can anyone give me an accurate estimate of how much is necessary?
>>I have checked the scientific literature on this, and it is
>>confused as to what is exactly in passionlower, and how much.
> 
> Harmaline, and very little of it at that...

Says you. Have you performed an analysis?
 
As I said, I have done a literature search on this, and
have found 1 article that claims there is nothing but harman,
others that put roughly a third each of harman, harmine and harmol,
+ a few % of unknowns, still other papers claiming that the minor
components are harmalol, harmaline and maybe others. Some papers
claim that not only the quantities, but the proportions and
list of alkaloids varies depending on the growth conditions.
If anyone knows a deinitive (preferably recent) paper on this,
please let me know; I don't want refs to Merck, or pharmacopaeiae
because the information in these is inaccurate - source material
only.

My real question remains: all the listed alkaloids are beta-carbolines.
Presumably all have varying mono-amine oxidase inhibition
activity. All may have the potential to orally activate DMT.
Has anyone achieved this, and how much Passiflora did it take?

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:17:06 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <HABA.92Sep9005916@lesti.hut.fi>, haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:
> In article <1992Sep6.223054.3041@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> 
>    1) substances metabolised rapidly (e.g. by MAO) before a significant 
>       concentration in the brain can develop (e.g. DMT)
> 
>    I am not aware of any tryptamines in commonly used Psilocybe
>    species which would fall into category (1). MAOI could
>    possibly effect the metabolism of psilocin, and thus
>    potentiate it. 
> 
> The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
> only mildly effective. Psilocin is metabolized into more potent psilocybin
> Using MAOI would slow/stop metabolism of the effective substance. Therefore,
> using MAOI would make psilocin *less* potent. 

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong.
The effective substances in mushrooms vary greatly, but a mixture
of psilocin (4-OH-DMT) and psilocybin (4-H2PO4-DMT) is the main
contributor in many Psilocybe species. There are other tryptamines 
in various species.
Psilocin is aprx (1.3*) as effective as psilocybin because they
are equally active on a mole basis.
psilocybin is rapidly hydrolysed in the stomach to psilocin.
MAOI has nothing to do with the hydrolysis of psilocybin.
Using MAOI cannot make psilocin less potent. It may or may not
make it more potent.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au

> Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: batboy@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke)
Subject: Re: Toxicology book review
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.094251.14776@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>In article <ASH.92Sep3145506@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.091724.27347@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:

...

>anyways,  a colleague mentioned that the THC is actually an antifeedant.
>Anybody got any references to that?  I'm tempted to believe it: a cow
>scarfs a couple plants, gets _way_ stoned, gets paranoid about the other
>cows turning him/her into the farmer, and swears off eating those nasty
>plants forever.
>
>But, has anybody ever asked the cow if he/she gets the munchies too?
>
>--gaspo.
>
>
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I thought the THC had to be activated in some (heating, etc.).
I don't get high when _I_ eat the primos!

-Tom
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:39:57 EDT
From: <NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: re: Idea for New Drug


  You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body without cutting
you to pieces.
  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you in to kee
p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong magnetic
field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If you move w
hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.
  If I were you I'd stick to the slow method of turning my brain to mush instea
d of this way.

my opinions are mine and are copyrighted
nate
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Bill Weld
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:04:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <6260@transfer.stratus.com> kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.035839.894@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>>...... the Republicans can nominate Weld for president, and we'll have a
>>much better situation than at present.
>>
>>.........
>
>I like Weld but I doubt he is going to get national attention for a
>long time.  Politician are too often rated on the times that they
>serve then on how they serve.  MA is doing purdy-darn-sh*tty right
>now.  That doesn't make Weld look so hot.  Dukasis was foolishly

Actually, mass has been turning around as of late. Most importantly, he has
balanced the budget, a seemingly impossible task & our bond rating is
about to be upped. The huge fiscal crisis in our state is largely due to the
bloated govornment (example; the Duke had something like 200 press secretaries
in the govorner's office, all on the state payroll) and incredible
mismanagement of the Dukakis administration.

>nominated because the Dems thought he brought about the short-lived
>Mass-Miracle (or the Dmes thought the voters would think that).

Actually, the previous govorner, Ed King, is largely responsible for the "Mass
miracle"
>
>I agree with most (but not all) of Weld's positions on issues and most
>of his general principles (moral liberal, fiscal conservative) but I
>think it'll be a while before he is a national figure.  I seriously
>doubt he will get nominated in 96.  Five years is a long time though.
>Who know what could change.
>
Sure hope you are wrong. Gov. Weld is the closest I've seen in years to an
electable libertarian (though he is in the republican party, his views
are much more libertarian; he advocates homosexual rights, little
govornment etc. The only missing ingreedient is Drug legalization & this
could change in the next few years {a pro-drug legalization candidate today
is commiting political suicide; if the public's opinion changes...})

-Scott