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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:09:13 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep28.233444.2465944@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:

>None of the above is necessary; what's really important in
>Saudi sw jobs is:
>
>1. US Citizen by birth.
>2. None Muslim.
>3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
>4. The more blonde you are, the more you'll have a chance.
>5. Must NOT read/understand Arabic.

Hmmm, I might think that they would be flattered that you were interested
in their langauge/culture.  Might they think that such a person would
have less difficulties adjusting to their culture and might stay
longer?  Of course, they could also be suspicious...

Anyone know for sure about this?

>6. Believe me.

This is not necessary for getting a job there.  :-}

>jle

What may be necessary (or would probably help) is

6. Wasta (connections/influence).

--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:28:39 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

In article <3914@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>It is beyond me how you or your government expect other Arabs to
>show any kind of loyalty to Kuwait - despite the fact that Kuwait
>has given money to the Arab governments - it is nothing in
>comparison to its annual income from the oil revenues.  As far as
>I can see, it has been primarily to benefit Kuwait and not the
>average person.
> 
I agree with what you are saying, Sister.  But one thing I would
like to add:  Kuwait has NO RIGHT to expect anything from Muslims
JUST because they tried passing out money made by oil revenues (read
Bribe). 

It is not some big "favor" that our "generous" Emir and Co. gave 
money to other Muslim countries.  It is our RIGHT, because that
money is OURS--COLLECTIVELY.  Now, I know the high and mighty,
ostentatious Gulf leaders and ANY who support and defend them
don't want to see it quite this way....but this is ISLAM, and
ALLAH knows best.

It works like this (basically):

Any income earned by the government from natural resources (like oil!)
is called "Amwal al-Fadilah" and becomes income for the Bait al-Mal--
the treasury of the Public--meaning all Muslims of the Muslim ummah.
Any money of the Bait al-Mal is considered Allah's money and Allah
made it Muslim's money.

In addition to that, there is another concept called "Kira' al-Ard"--
which is any money raised by a Muslim government.  This also goes
to the Bait al-Mal and becomes Muslim's property.

So, don't expect me to bow down in humility thanking the generosity
of Gulf cartel leaders...whatever managed to TRICKLE DOWN to the
rest of us Muslims is OUR RIGHT.

And we have ONLY ALLAH to thank.


	"The $300 million a day which the Kingdom receives for its oil
	is paid on the nail, in dollars, in New York.  SAMA's (Saudi
	Arabian Monetary Agency) money managers phone round the New
	York banks to see who will give them the best RATE OF INTEREST
	for a week, month or three month deposit, and the money waits
	there ..."   "The Kingdom", R. Lacey, pg. 474

	O ye who believe! Fear God, and give up what remains of your
	demand for USURY (riba'), if ye are indeed Believers!
	If ye do not, take notice of WAR FROM ALLAH and His Apostle..."
				Sura Baqarah, ayahs 278, 279

We all can figure this one out...

Sandra.
	
>Anisa
>
>	"We have done too much already to blacken
>	our reputation."
>			Essa Alshaheen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME ! QUIZ #2
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:13:27 GMT

kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:

>>Quiz #2 for the Arabic Poetry Enthusiasts:


>>Who wrote the following:

>>Banat su'adu faqalbi al-yauma matbulu
>>Mutayyamun ithraha lam yufda makbulu
>>Wa ma su'adu ghadatal-bayni ithrahalu
>>'Ila al-ghannu ghadhidu at-tarfi makhulu

>>What was the occasion for this poem and the story behind it?

>>Sandra.

>The poet was Ka'b bin Zuhayr bin Abi Sulma al-Muzanii.
>And the first part of the second verse should read:
>    Wa ma su'adu ghadatal-bayni idh barazat
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^
   The version I know is with "i_th ru*haloo" and I think it
is more likely as the poet shows how she went to a far away
place that can not be reached easily. Departure is more
relevant to "al-bayn" and God Knows better.

   You should have complained about "'Ila al-ghannu."

**
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:24:17 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep28.233224.2465879@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>None of the above is necessary; what's really in important 
>Saudi sw jobs is:
>
>1. US Citizen by birth.

	Or European - especially British.

>2. None Muslim.

	Or a Western convert.

>3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.

	That's 100% true - especially after the Gulf War - and
	I have many people to support this.

>4. The more blonde you are, the more you'll have a chance.

	:-)  Or light-skinned - unless, of course, you are
	a female.  Then you will be approached by too many
	asking you for a fling.

>5. Must NOT read/understand Arabic.

	Hmmmm.... not sure about this ... I think it does
	help.  I mean, if you fit the above criterion,
	they will worship you.

>6. Believe me.

	Why not?

And you might consider adding:

7.  If you are not married, unless you fit above criterion.

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: fade@quads.uchicago.edu (mohammad h fadel)
Subject: Re: Looking for a hadith
Reply-To: fade@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U of Chicago
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:23:52 GMT

This is a famouns hadith.  The people in question were date farmers.  Un-
fortunately, I don't know where one can find it, although I've seen it
many times.
		Mohammad
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3955 soc.culture.turkish:10264 soc.culture.iranian:8359
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Kosovo: The Next Battle Front in the Balkan
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Sep27.183512.20135@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes:

>............................ So why should Americans or Germans
>(or other) go in there and die for nothing?
>

If only they [Bosnians] had some oil...

An excerpt:

"...If there were no oil in the Middle East, if the British
and then the US had not projected their power into the region
in order to secure access to that oil, I sincerely doubt that
Muslims there would hate us.

How can we expect Middle Eastern Muslims to love us if we were
the principal supporters of the Shah of Iran, if we are the principal
supporters of Israel and several of the most autocratic Arab
states, and if we are the guarantors of a political arrangement
that mandates that the region's immense oil wealth benefit us,
Western Europe [let me add Japan also] and a small number of Arab
autocrats subservient to our demands?....."

					- M. Pardo-
	
	                       [letters to the editor / The Atlantic]
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4103 soc.culture.turkish:10437 soc.culture.pakistan:15430 soc.culture.afghanistan:1066
From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:19:20 GMT

In article <3543@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
>
>Essalam:
>
>I'm preparing a History of science term paper where I challenge the 
>traditional and overly simplistic Western notion that Islamic scientific 
>thought and the contribution of Islamic scholars consisted mainly in the 
>revival of interest in Aristotle and ancient Greek philosophy.  At this point 
>I'm at the early stage of collecting references.  I've found some, but I think
>I'll need much more than what I have.  If anyone knows any references that 
>may be of help, I'd appreciate it.  

Here are three references:

(1) The Genius of Arab Civilization : Source of Renaissance.  3rd ed. /
     George N.  Atiyeh ... [et al.] ; John R. Hayes, editor.  New York:
     New York University Press,  1992.

(2) Arab Science : Discoveries and Contributions.   1st ed. / Edwin P. Hoyt.
    1st ed.  Nashville : T. Nelson,  1975.

(3) The Arab Heritage of Western Civilization.  2d ed. / by Rom Landau.
    New York,  Arab Information Center,  1972.


You may also want to look up more detailed descriptions of the work and
contributions of giants like Abu Ali Ibn Sina (Avicenne), the renowned 
tenth century philospoher and scientist.   Equally significant are the
contributions of Arab/Muslim scholars like Ibn Rushd, al-Ghazali, 
al-Khwarizmi, al-Farabi, al-Biruni, and al-Razi, to name a few.

-Waleed

-=-
Blessed are the young for they shall inherit the national debt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:34:28 GMT

In article <MERIGH.92Sep26153501@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh) writes:
>
>
>souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi) writes:
>
>>>
>   I was joking when I suggested Mohamed because it violates all the
>   above criteria, except number 3  :)
>   The name Mohamed is a taboo in this country nowdays.  I know
>   of people who feel ashamed to carry this name and they
>   changed it to Mike, Moe, and Mohand (Moh&).  But that is their
>   choice.
>
>   Ridha
><<
>
>Ridha,
>
>	I often thought you were pretty open-minded.

I am not going to speak for Ridha, but I thought you, Moh&, were
"open-minded".

>        The name Mohand, for you own information is the
>berber version of Mohamed.  

You could have stopped at that.  You could have settled for attacking
him personally.  But, did you have to assault all Arabs with a deeply 
offensive tirade? 

>However, I do not expect you, as an
>Arab, to feel comfortable and recognize that Berbers are a
>separate entity from the Arabs.  

How do you know?  Have you asked him?  Did you conduct a survey?
I do not expect you, as a Berber, to have any sense of fairness or
levelheadedness.   How does that sound?   How would you like it
if someone made such generalization in any context?

>If you did feel comfortable with
>the idea, you would not feel that using Mohand results from the shame
>of using Mohamed.  

You may add a lack of logical reasoning to the above generalization.   
How does that sound now?

>I challenge you then to tell us how you feel about
>the Berbers.  

And, by what sort of enlightened logic do you propose to extend
his feelings (what ever they happen to be) to all Arabs.  

You've already revealed some of YOUR inner feelings towards the Arab
people.   What you wrote speaks volumes about you, but I cannot
possibly generalize your feelings to all Berber, not even to 
your brothers and sisters.

>I do not expect much from you though: the same blood as
>yours is running in Saddam's veins and he gassed his kurds.

Great.  Now all Arabs are homicidal, according to you.  If that's how
you feel, then you, Moh&, should take your gratuitous insults and seek
professional help.

>What I'd
>like to know is whether this attitude, which so permissive among Arabs,
>is due to genetic or cultural reasons.  It sucks anyway.

I know your attitude is not due to "genetic or cultural reasons".
It's reprehensible and stinks pretty bad, nevertheless.  To redeem
yourself, may I suggest that you extend a public apology as a first
step.

>Moh&

-Waleed

-=-
"Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty.
 The obedient must be slaves."
	  --Henry David Thoreau, 1847
From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald E. Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:44:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <3543@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
>Essalam:
>
>I'm preparing a History of science term paper where I challenge the
>traditional and overly simplistic Western notion that Islamic
>scientific thought and the contribution of Islamic scholars consisted
>mainly in the revival of interest in Aristotle and ancient Greek
>philosophy.  At this point I'm at the early stage of collecting
>references.  I've found some, but I think I'll need much more than
>what I have.  If anyone knows any references that may be of help, I'd
>appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>Ahmed

These two Scientific American articles provide some information on
medieval Islamic science and technology.

    Gingerich, Owen
    Islamic Astronomy
    Scientific American, April 1986, V. 254, P. 74

    Hill, Donald R.
    Mechanical Engineering in the Medieval Near East
    Scientific American, May 1991, V. 264, P. 100

Many book references can be found by browsing an online library
catalog.  The following subject search found 64 titles.

    telnet melvyl.ucop.edu
    TERMINAL? vt100
    -> start cat
    CAT-> find su science--islamic empire--history
    CAT-> d

Other searches might include...

    CAT-> find su science--history--islamic empire
    CAT-> find su mathematics--arab
    CAT-> find su civilization, islamic
-- 
Donald E. Blais             Internet: blais@utexas.edu
Computation Center          Bitnet:   blais@utxvms
University of Texas         UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!blais
Austin, TX 78712            Phone:    +1 512-471-6387 +1 512-471-3241 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1480 soc.culture.europe:8803
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:50:03 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: In the time of Cyril and Methodius


Luben Boyanov <lb@cs.man.ac.uk> writes in article <6337@m1.cs.man.
ac.uk>:

> In article <92276.202419PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> PXP111@psuvm.psu.
> edu  writes:
>
>> ...this issue using some excerpts of Ioannis Cameniatis...
>> "In the middle of this flat area  there are certain mixed vil-
>>  lages close to the town,  inhabited by the so-called  Dragou-
>>  vites & Sagoudatoi tribes, the latter related to the Skythian
>>  people
>   ^^^^^^
>  Maybe I missed it,  but  I'm afraid that you forgot to mention
>  that the  Byzantine writers referred to the Bulgarians by this
>  name.

Yes, certain Byzantine authors did use the term in question...
Yes you missed it!  Since I used the edition of Berlin I included
the comments in standard latin (as the copy I had). If you hadn't
deleted the text you would have observed it.
I copy few parts... Here they go:

" ... relations with the Skythians through commerce,  and this is
attained  better when they are in good terms among themselves and
do not carry arms,which is something that may provoke hostilities
-as they both used to do a lot a long time ago, as we well know..
                                                             (3)
Then, the holy baptism of the Skythians (5) transformed them to a
Christian people and the milk of faith put the wars to an end...
and pease came... (6)
...himself doing as much as he could despite the condition he was
and called the neighboring Sklavenoi (7) ... "

-----------------------------------------------------------------
(3)     Skythai pro Bulgaris s.VIII-XIV p.Chr.n.  (cf. Moravcshik
        "Byzantinoturcica II 280).
(5)     Boris dux Bulgarorum a. 864p Chr.n. baptizatus est.
(6)     Bellum a Symeone duce Bulgarorum per annos 894-896 gestum
        hoc loco non commemoratur.
(7)     Sklavenoi in imperio Bulgarorum viventes Slavi  a. VII-IX
        nominantur  (cf. Moravcsik:"Byzantinoturcica" II 278; cf.
        etiam Vasmer: "Die Slaven in Griechenland" 254).
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: The Bulgarian Orthodox Church (was: Schism in BG-Orthodox Church ?)
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:12:55 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Sep22.223407.26694@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE) writes:
>
>What about a little discussion of the schismatic situation in the Bulgarian
>Orthodox Church ?

It would be interesting.

>Would you report, please, of your (or your relatives or friends
>experiences with any institution of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in abroad
>before or after 10.11.1989 |

Well, I am on a very good terms with the Bulgarian priest in England
(in London) and have visited the Bulgarian church St. Ivan Rilski in London
many times (it's rather a paraklis). In May this year, we arranged a gathering
with all Bulgarians from North England, which we knew, and 'diado pop' (who is
not 'diado' at all, but is about 35-40) made a 'vodosvet' in Machester and
blessed us all. It was very nice and touching.

>Are there any changes (in the opinions etc.) especially since the establishment
>of the "new" Holly Synod Pimens (e.g."Forry" Sqbevs ?

I think most of the Bulgarians are disguussed from what happened. It's a shame
that the Church, instead of uniting the nation, divided itself in such a stupid
way.

>P.S.: 120 years ago (on September the 16-th 1872) the Greek Orthodox Patriarchy
>      in Instanbul banished the young Bulgarian Exsarchy and declaring it for
>      schismatic.

The Bulgarian Patriarchate (Simeon the Great made the Bulgarian Church
independent from the Byzantium one) had 2 'headquarters' - sorry don't know
details - one in Turnovo and one in Ohrid. The one in Turnovo was abolished
in 1393, the one in Ohrid (never has been called something else but
Bulgarian !!!) ceased to exist in 1766.

On March 10th, 1870 (old style), the Ottoman Sultan issued his famous
ferman, which established the Bulgarian autocephalous Church under a primate
entitled Exarch, whose residence was at Constantinopol (Istanbul). The
jurisdiction of the Exarchate was over 15 dioceses ('mitropolii'), including
Nish, Pirot and Veles, but not in Varna !!! Other dioceses  were to
be added in case at least 2/3rd of the Christian local population so
desired. In virtue of that, the Porte (i.e. the Ottoman administration)
subsequently allowed Bulgarian bishops in Ohrid, Uskub (at present - Skopie,
Monastir, Nevrokop (at present - Goce Delchev), Dibra, and Strumitsa.
In 1913, Exarch Joseph withdrew to Sofia.

Maybe somebody can continue the history furhter :-).


>             B^agu

Best regards

Luben

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In Bulgaria, what's most unbelievable is most likely to happen."

					           Pencho Slaveikov
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: K.R.Hauge@easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Subject: Re: The BALCANS - new books...
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: U. of Oslo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.225840.6581@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at>,
A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE) wrote:
> 
>              A BRANDNEW VERY INTERESTING BOOK ABOUTH
>                           "THE BALCANS"
> 
> Vchera i (v povtorenieto) dnes v rubrikata si "KNIGI, AVTORI,
> IDEI" Zherminal CHEVIKOV ot "DEUTSCHE WELLE" se na belgiyskiya
> slavist (profesor v Leuven) MOEN_DE_PER (?_?_?) i specialno na
> negovata skoro (1992 v ANTWERPEN Anvers!) izdadena kniga
> "BALKANITE - ot komschiyska kavga kqm mezhduetnicheska voyna".
> 
The name of the author is Raymond Detrez.
From: haralaag@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Bulgarian literature and linguistics: WHERE?
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:47:54 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Hello netters in the cyberspace!

The summer is over 8-{ and welcome back to school (for some of us there were no
summer and "Cherno more" this year, but lets hope for more luck next year...) 

I have one question and let me say thanks in advance for all replies:

My wife just graduate from Blagoevgrad Univ. with major Bulgarian language and
literature and special interest in linguistics. Unfortunately here at Univ. of
Cincinnati there are no such programs and she does not like  the idea to start
from scratch.

If somebody have information on the US Universities offering graduate programs
in Slavic literature and linguistics with specialization in Bulgarian language
please send me the info via e-mail.  I remember that at Columbus, OH they have
something similar, but unfortunately that is all that I remember...

I'll make summary of all replies for the s.c.b. FAQ if there is additional
interest.

Best regards

	Alex Haralampiev
	Dept. of Geology
	Univ. of Cincinnati
	e-mail:
		haralaag@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Trip to Bulgaria
Summary: Highschool students need help with trip to BG
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.vassil.717800813
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

I received this message from Rocky Harris, and he asked me to post it to
this group. If you have any ideas and suggestions, please e-mail them to
him at `rockyh&hilhi.rain.com', since he doesn't have access to News.

=========Begin included message================================================
From: rockyh@hilhi.rain.com (Rocky Harris)
Subject: Bulgaria trip
To: cs.wisc.edu!vassil@sequent.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 7:49:14 PDT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

Dear Vassil Peytchev,

[...]
At that time I was working on a summer project and had access to the
news but I have returned to school and am limited to email at 
present.  (We are working to upgrade so that we might get the
news also).  I truly miss "soc.culture.bulgaria" among others.
However, I a writing this eamail because I have another request.

I am planning to lead a group of students on a trip to some cities
in central Europe and would love to include a city in Bulgaria.  
One of the goals is to have a short (3-4 day) homestay for each of
the students.  And of course we would like them to see the major
attractions of the area.  I am not intersted in staying in first  
class-type hotels but rather having an opportunity to experience the
people and the culture.  

I also know that if we contract with a travel group in U.S. we may
be at a disadvantage pricewise.

Do you have any suggestions on how we could begin to make some
arrangements?  Would you suggest some things we should be certain to
visit?

I will be grateful for any help.  Thank you.

Regards,

Rocky 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rocky Harris                              Tel.: (wk) (503) 648-9776
Hillsboro High School                          (res) (503) 648-9776
Hillsboro, Oregon, U.S.A.         email: sequent!rockyh@sequent.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
================End included message===========================================

Additional info: He is planning the trip for next summer.

Vassil
---
Vassil Peytchev
vassil@cs.wisc.edu