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From: jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Memory expansion for 1200
Distribution: world
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Date: 26 Jan 93 02:59:34 EST
Organization: Privately owned and operated UUCP site.

In article <1k1jmvINNein@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> dunhams@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Steve Dunham) writes:
> Hello.
> Now that I've upgraded from a 500 to a 1200 I have 8 64256 chips and
> would like to use them to expand the memory on the 1200 using the
> internal CPU slot (trapdoor).
>
> Is anyone working on a project like this?
>
> Where can I get some specifications for the CPU slot?  (Commadore no
> longer gives schematics with their machines either.)
>
> Also, has anyone looked into what is necessary to install the real
> time circuitry that has been left off of the motherboard?
>

 I saw a new item from Genie that GVP will release a 40mhz 030 accelerator
for the A1200 called the A1230 in February. An fpu is optional and are the
SIMM modules. It can be populated with 1mb, 4mb or 16mb SIMM's. USA list
price is $499. Hmmmmm....I don't see where it includes a clock.:(

--
____________________________________
        (Jim Perkowski)
kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us
kentcomm!jperkski@aldhfn.akron.oh.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: AGA-ECS-Old toggle??
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:00:35 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

is there a way to toggle the Graphics chip emulation modes w/o having to
reboot?  There are a few games I have installed on my HD that I would
reather not have to reboot to play. (i.e. would like to make a script to
toggle the mode then run the game)


Is there a program out there.  Is it even possible?  

When are the RKMs for 3.0 coming? (not the HDRef man I know about that).


Jim Martin
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          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Mag Opt Drive on A3000: suggestions
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:01:46 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <eunms*M11@prolix.apana.org.au> dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
>If anyone knows the answer to this, or any other MO connectivity questions
>with regards to the Amiga, would they PLEASE put up their answer publicly
>in this newsgroup. There is no available information on interfacing MO
>drives to the Amiga, and I'd like to know other people's opinions.

I have used Sony MO drives with 600MB media (512 byte per sector format)
and had no problems. Works fine on my A3000. When I get the machine back
to the institute I can make some tests (Diskspeed or the like) if that
is of any interest.
Otherwise think of it as a large two-sided Syquest.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Kickstart 2.5 ROM chip?
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:47:26 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan21.231723.1019@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>, mchandy@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu writes:
>I have heard that The Grapevine Group, sellers of Amiga custom chips here in
>the US, are distributing a Kickstart 2.5 chip.  They claim this chip allows
>the use of high-density floppies.  They are selling this chip for $39.95
>(as compared to $34.95 for KS2.0).
>
>My question is: is there such a chip or is this just a new software upgrade?
>And if there is such a chip, should I purchase this one in-lieu of a KS2.0
>chip? (I am still running 1.3, but will be upgrading in the next month.)
>
>Mike
>mchandy@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
>

I though 2.04 allowed for HD floppies....sounds like a scam.. :)


Jim
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Screeeemmmmmin fast 4000/040..YEEEEEEHA!!          X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 Commodore response sucks
Keywords: Commodore, over 2 months != 4 days
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:59:21 GMT

In <proctori.727714998@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> proctori@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Dave Proctor) writes:

>Hi, I don't know if this is the correct place to post this, but it
>will have to do. Maybe it should have been in a law related group, as
>I would very much like to know what my rights to compensation are.

>Let me explain.  In Very early November 1992, I bought an A1200 from
>Game store in Manchester. After about a week of slight use, the
>modulator was producing rubbish on the screen, and from the start,
>the sound output was totally unacceptable. I didn't notice the sound
>at the start, due to the fact I was putting it through my hifi, and
>it tolerated it. I reported this immediately to the Game store, and
>they said, no problem, and all I had to do was register this with
>Commodore and they would send an engineer round, and fix it (I had
>sent my warranty slip off by this point). 
[...]

I don't wish to be wise after the event, but you should have taken it
back to the dealer and got them to replace it. They have an
arrangement with the supplier (CBM) and get a much better service than
you are likely to get being a lowly user :-), and, afterall, it is
your right if you claim that the goods were of unmerchantable quality
when you bought them, or malfunctioned after a non-reasonable amout of
time.

More modulator woes! CBM must have got some bloddy dodgy components
in those modulators! Maybe we could have a 'hands-up' count of how
many people have had trouble with their A1200 modulators?

E.F.Pritchard efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk,
R.Ambridge ram@cs.stir.ac.uk
Dave Proctor proctori@p4.cs.man.ac.uk
<add your name here>

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efp90@uk.ac.soton.ecs           \\\/// Amiga     I seriously need something
University of Southampton        \xx/            to go on this side of my
England.                                         signature, any ideas?
From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 Fan
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:05:12 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <lahurst.727964935@unix1.tcd.ie>, Leon Hurst writes:

> What direction should the air flow in the A4000 Fan.
> 
> ie Out of the power brick into the air or
>    into the power brick and into the machine.`\

Out of the machine.

Dac
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                    <Using ARN on an Amiga 4000. Yay!>
From: pfc@redorc.chi.il.us (Paul Covello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: cd bug in KS 2.04 37.175
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:11:03 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network

Has anyone experienced a real bad bug with the cd command?
The symptom is the drive infinatly looks for the dir. the HD in use light keeps
pulsing forever till I  send a break signal. This bug happens intermittntly and
happens with all combonations,  i.e. cd sys:pathname or just typing
sys:pathname without the cd and programs as well as the shell get hung up on
this from time to time. If anyone knows a patch or anything please email me at
pfc@redorc.chi.il.us Thanks! P.S. could someone send this to C= ?

                                                         ---Paul Frank Covello
                                                          pfc@redorc.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Re: Cheap 2-Meg CHIP ram mod on 500/2000!
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:48:35 GMT

kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:

> 
> Agnus (256k?) -> Fat Agnus (512k) -> Fatter Agnus (1MB) -> Lard-Butt Agnus
> (2MB).
> 
> -- 
> Jason Balicki | kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

 
I *like* that description... *very* descriptive...  :D


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon)
Subject: Help with PowerGlove...
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:27:38 CST

     I have recently built the |PowerGlove to Amiga connector that's described
in Amazing Tech.  I have gotten it to work (barely) on my 68000 but it won't
work at all accelerated.  Please help. I'd like to write my own software.
I'd appreciate any specs on the PowerGlove etc.  If this project works out, I
will post a summary for all interested so help will benefit all.
Please e-mail pochanay@cae.wisc.edu.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: f92bw@efd.lth.se (Bjoern Wesen)
Subject: Re: Video Backup System ?
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:04:30 GMT

In article <5579@ettarre.lulea.trab.se> lsa@lulea.trab.se (lsa) writes:
>Last night i was looking in the latest number of Amiga Format, and in an
>advert. i saw a backup system with a very low price tag. It obviously
>connects to the home VCR and you store backups directly to VHS casettes.
>
>Has anyone tried this system ?
>Does it work all the time ?  if not how often does it fail ?
>
>TANX.

I tried it with my S-VHS recorder, using it to back up a disk. It was full
of read errors when I restored the disk. I wouldn't trust such a device,
but I guess there are different error-correction schemes.

Bjorn Wesen    f92bw@efd.lth.se
From: dunhams@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Steve Dunham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Memory expansion for 1200
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:48:31 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cl-next4.cl.msu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hello.
Now that I've upgraded from a 500 to a 1200 I have 8 64256 chips and
would like to use them to expand the memory on the 1200 using the
internal CPU slot (trapdoor).

Is anyone working on a project like this?

Where can I get some specifications for the CPU slot?  (Commadore no
longer gives schematics with their machines either.)

Also, has anyone looked into what is necessary to install the real
time circuitry that has been left off of the motherboard?

Thanks,
Steve
dunhams@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu
From: jg003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Outatime)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Color Printer Recommendations
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:29:12 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	Okay, so I'm looking for a decent color printer, but it's the old
story, I don't want to pay too much, like under $1000.
	Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. There are some
stipulations though.

	-- Under $1000

	-- Can't be Dot-Matrix

	So far I've heard of the new HP 550c and am wondering what this is
about. Is it an InkJet? I'm assuming so, because it comes in either the
DeskJet form or the DeskWrite form, I think. And I don't really know the
difference.
	Also, what are used PaintJets going for, and what's the story on
them.

	Any and all help will be greatly appreciated and I humbly thank you
beforehand. I was never really good with thank you notes.

						Outatime------>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: djm2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Daniel Jr Murrell)
Subject: Re: Popping Processors...
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:04:27 GMT

Rich,
  Has anyone had this problem? Oh yeah!  :)
I have a Derringer board, and for a while there, i left all the screws
out of my 500 case so that i could easily plug the board back in when
it gets popped out of the socket.  Eventually, it seems like the board
may settle down into the socket, but for now, I'm typing lightly, and
i have a big glob of the yellow rubbery tack-it putty crushed between
the case and the problem end of the board.  Hopefully, that'll keep
the board safely in place.  I guess the material is safe, since it's all
up against my 68000 chip, and it doesn't seem to have fused yet.. :)
I'm still trying to decide on the "superglue" fix..  Anyone else have any
other ideas?  What does CSA suggest?

Dan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,misc.forsale
From: kma1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Kashif M Akhtar)
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Multisync monitor forsale !!!
Keywords: Mitsubishi
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:40:24 GMT

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

>kma1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Kashif M Akhtar) writes:
>>   Hello people of the net-land, I have a brand new multisync monitor from 
>>   Mitsubishi (Mitsubishi Diamondscan 1381A) that I need to sell. This monitor
>>   is exactly what you've been looking for to add to your Amiga 1200 or 4000.
>>   Here are some specs off my head :
>> 
>>   screen size               : 13 inch
>>   horizontal scan rate      : 15 - 38 KHz   ( auto scanning )
>>   vertical scan rate        : 45 - 90 Hz
>>   max resolution            : 800 x 600

>Are you sure about this?

>Mitsubishi Tech Info Service tells me the specs for a 'Mitsubishi Diamond
>Scan 14 (AUM-1381A)' are:

>          Display size:         14 inch (diagonal)
>          Horizontal scan rate: 30-38.5 KHz
>          Vertical scan rate:   45-90 Hz
>          Resolution:           1024x768 (interlaced); 800x600; 640x480

>...and thus do *NOT* support all Amiga screen modes!


  I did call them up to check and they have again confirmed that 
  this monitor does scan down to 15.75KHz. You were right about the 
  max resolution and screen size though. Yes you can go upto 1024x768 in
  interlaced. Also the screen size is 14 inch. 

  If anybody would like to further confirm this, they can call
  Mitsubishi Electronics, tech support division at 1-800-344-6352

  Also I was surprised to find out the list price on this monitor is
  $889.00. Thats almost NINE HUNDRED BUCKS !!!

>Are we really discussing the same monitor? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying
>you're lying. It just seems a little odd behaviour from Mitsubishi to give
>false (actually sales inhibiting) information about their products.

>		-- Bjorn

 As I said you can confirm the info again from the number above.


Kashif.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: torrunes@idt.unit.no (Tor Rune Skoglund)
Subject: Re: Video Backup System ?
Reply-To: torrunes@idt.unit.no (Tor Rune Skoglund)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:52:24 GMT

In article <5579@ettarre.lulea.trab.se>, lsa@lulea.trab.se (lsa) writes:
|> Last night i was looking in the latest number of Amiga Format, and in an
|> advert. i saw a backup system with a very low price tag. It obviously
|> connects to the home VCR and you store backups directly to VHS casettes.
|> 
|> Has anyone tried this system ?

Yes, me. Guess it is the same as the one from Rossmoeller...

|> Does it work all the time ?  if not how often does it fail ?

Almost :-) I did a 280 megs (>5000 files) backup-and-restore to a new
harddrive. One file was unable to restore.

|> TANX.

No problem.
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 \/// elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.`
From: kaye@FSCORE.dec.com (Mark Kaye - Where's my Kama Sutra pop-up book for Zero-G)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Video Toaster/GVP 3001 and MegaChip?
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:34:23 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <C1Brvz.EEC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jwk38122@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James W. Klimek) writes...
>Hello,
> 
>    Can anyone tell me if a GVP A3001 with a 68030/68882 both at
>    28 MHz will run properly with the Video Toaster. I'm worried
>    that they may not work together. I would like to know before
>    I actually go and buy a Toaster for my system.
> 
>    Also, will a MegaChip 2000/Fat Angus work with the above setup?
> 
>Any information would be a big help.
> 
>Thank you,
>    
>James Walter Klimek
> 

I run with the exact configuration. No problems!
(3001 + Toaster + Megachip)

Mark Kaye		|		| 613-591-5029			|
Box 72, Munster 	| 613-838-3580  | kaye@fscore.enet.dec.com	|
Ontario, Canada K0A 3P0	|		| DEC fscore::kaye or kaye @kao	|
From: evil@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Todd Goodman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1200 and 1200HD hits America...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:14:19 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <9301218650@genesis.nred.ma.us> nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>  I don't think you can find the 1200 for cheaper than $599 without a HD,
>I may be mistaken.  I don't think that's expensive at all for what you get,
>and $849 with a 40 meg HD is pretty good.  

The cheapest mail-order price I've been quoted (via phone) is from a 
dealer called "Amigaman."  Sounds tacky, but I've ordered from them
several times in the past and they are fast AND friendly.  Their shipping
is a bit high, but their prices make up for it.

Verified prices:
                  A1200 stock machine  $569.00 (US)
                  A1200HD machine with 85meg internal  $899.00 (US)

They were waiting on a new shipment of 85meg drives when I last called them
(around the first of the year) but they acted like it would be a day or so.

With UPS 2nd day ground shipping (you get the thing plugged-in at your 
house in about 4 working days) the 85meg version comes to around $930.00
Pick up an Amigaworld magazine for phone, etc. (they have been long-time
advertisers in Amigaworld).

                                                       --Todd Goodman
                                                    evil@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: aa387@yfn.ysu.edu (Corey Norton)
Subject: Re: 1084 help
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:54:34 GMT


Sorry to say this nick, but take it to your dealer, it sounds to
me like you have hi-voltage problems,common in the 1084.
it probably needs a flyback,but i can't say for sure because i
can't get it to my shop for a look-see. your dealer or an electronics
repair shop is your best bet.

The Dodger
--
From: meek@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Lindsay Meek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Any News on the new Motorola Chip?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:32:06 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: fizzy.csu.murdoch.edu.au

won@cs.columbia.edu (Won Y. Kim) writes:

>In article <hanscs.74.727431258@dhhalden.no> hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER) writes:
>[stuff deletedp
>>>
>>The 68060 will be released(Amiga Computing) late 93. And will do aprox. 100 
>>MIPS at 25 MHz.
>>

>Hmm, How  can this be ?? Is the 060 a multi processor in one?
>At a clock speed of 25 Mhz, the most a "normal" cpu (that I am aware of)
>can execute at most 25 million instructions per second.

>The # is usually smaller unless the code can utilize the pipleline 100 % (not
>bloody likely!!)

	They might have increased the width of the data bus. This would allow
/explain the 4x speed up at the same clock speed. However, the current state
of-the-art in VLIW (Very Large Instruction word) designs requires that you
have a customised code generator on your compiler to schedule the other three
instruction units correctly. I think some of the new workstations use VLIW (?)./

Lindsay

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dcantrel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel T Cantrell)
Subject: Need help with A1200 & Imagine 2.0
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:46:51 GMT


I just got an A1200 a week ago and today the MBX-1200 (with 25Mhz'882)
arrived and I wanted to see how Imagine worked on it.  Problem is that
it gives me a Unable to open your tool ImagineFP from the workbench and
from the cli i get imaginefp: bad loadfile hunk... :(

I have Imagine 2.0 and it works fine on my A3000.  I have a Maxtor 85Meg
hard drive with the maxtransfer set to 0xffff.

What does this mean?  I did not think the FP version needed a MMU but
I could be wrong.  I did try degrading the video mode (down to ECS) 
using the Pre-Boot options to no avail.

I would appreciate any suggestions.  Thanks.

Dan
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Commodore warranty
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:39:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <llscpcINNst4@news.bbn.com>, leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:
>gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM) writes:
>
>
>>I am dissappointed at CBM, not only for the abandonment of the 3000 series and
>>scsi,  but the radical change in the graphics interface that obsoleted the
>>3000, 2000, 1000 and 500 series.
>
>What do you mean "the radical change in the graphics interface"?

CBM has left no upgrade path in the 3000 series.  They must have intended to
since the 3000 has a "video" slot included but never implemented.  Flame on -
I have been able to update my video on my CLONES with a card swap.  My
monitors for the last 5 years have been multi-synch so they have not been
changed.

>
>They haven't abandoned SCSI, there is a board for the 4000 coming out
>this month, supposedly.  I'm not sure the 3000 is abandoned, either.

If the SCSI is not abandoned, why is it not included?  Obvious, CBM considers
IDE the drive of choice.  This may be a marketing decision, but it makes no
sense from a technical stand point.  Why limit your I/O to only 2 drives and
nothing else.  With SCSI I can connect an unlimited number of peripheral
devices.

>
>
>
>       Lee
>

George P Bluhm Jr.
From: lrfrederick@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: help with 1084 jitter
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:54:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ualr.1993Jan27.115450.1
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I have problem with a vertical jitter on my 1084 (magnavox).
Has anyone else has this problem abd found a cure?  It only
occurs on the RGB input, composite works fine.

lrfrederick@ualr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: ad960@yfn.ysu.edu (Thomas Smith)
Subject: Vector 030?
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:48:19 GMT


	Does any one know if the new Vector 030/25/33/40 is any
good?

-- 
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