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From: lml@vision.ummed.edu (Lawrence Mark Lifshitz)
Subject: catapults/harnesses
Organization: University of Massachusetts Medical Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:41:49 GMT

Now that I am finally beginning to windsurf in higher
winds I am worried about getting catapulted into my
rig while still connected to my harness lines.  I was
interested in hearing ideas (seriously!) on 
1. how to minimize the chance of this occurring
2. how to minimize the damage to self and sail if
   it does occur.

Obviously, good sailing technique helps.  But, 
are there any tricks for increasing the probability
that you will be thrown clear of the rig instead of
into it?
1. Should one try to hold on to the boom or push it
   away? Does one method or the other result in a fat
   lip?
2. I use a chest harness with a high hook. Does this
   increase or decrease the risk of bodily injury
   if I get thrown into the rig?
3. My harness lines are just 1/2 inch nylon lines,
   no plastic tubing around them or anything. Does
   this "floppiness" help or hurt, ie, am I more likely
   to stay hooked in longer (once airborne) and therefore
   suffer greater injury?
4. Does a catapult ever result in being UNDER the sail
   and still hooked in after one hits the water?
   This seems the most dangerous. Can it be avoided?
5. My chest harness has a quick release mechanism for
   quick exit when tangled with the harness lines.  I
   have not seen anything similar for the seat harnesses.
   Is there a seat model which really is quick release? 
6. Has anyone actually TRIED the Toucan (sp?) harness which
   is supposed (!) to release under tension?  It seems like
   a good idea if someone could somehow add a switch of
   some sort (deadman's switch under one of the hands on the
   boom?) to release it instead of just relying on shear force
   as a trigger.  Any ideas for a switch that would be
   practical?

Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: kevin@modcomp.uucp (Kevin Smith)
Subject: Re: A 4.8 used in Florida 24-July-1992 
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:56:52 GMT



>The locals told me that the season goes from October through Feb and therefore
>I would not expect much at this time of year.

>Jim Munro

Well I had to reply to this, yes, I had to break out the 4.8 today.
It was blowing today in Stuart, Florida.  Around 14-32mph, with the 
morning session being a consistent 23-30,  I drove up there from 
Ft Lauderdale since it was only doing about 15 down here.  I did
rig up to a 6.4 for the afternoon and found myself overpowered 
much of the time.  Kind of a rare day for Florida in the middle of
summer!!!  May blow again tomorrow, apparently some high pressure to
the north and a weak tropical wave to the south caused some of this.

--
Kevin Smith				uunet!modcomp!glsdev!kevin
MODCOMP, an AEG company                 if (windspeed < 15)
1650 W McNab Road                         go_diving();
P.O. Box 6099			        else
Fort Lauderdale,Florida 33340-6099        go_windsurfing();
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: osystems@world.std.com (Cary T Conrad)
Subject: North Wave Sail for Sale
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: rec.windsurfing
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:33:33 GMT


North Wave(not North) Sail for Sale.

North Wave is a company in Hood River and all of the Sails are made in the
USA not in Hong Kong.

North Wave sails are also the holder of the USA speed record.

To the point!

1991 6.2 M North Wave Slalom Sail for Sale.

$225.00

conrad@osystems.com
      or
617-259-4321
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: catapults/harnesses
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:49:58 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Jul24.144149.13273@vision.ummed.edu>, lml@vision.ummed.edu (Lawrence Mark Lifshitz) writes:
|> winds I am worried about getting catapulted into my
|> rig while still connected to my harness lines.  I was
|> interested in hearing ideas (seriously!) on 
|> 1. how to minimize the chance of this occurring

 Commit yourself to the rig- use loads of GFI (2nd key ingredient to
						sailing short boards)

|> 2. how to minimize the damage to self and sail if
|>    it does occur.

 Don't worry about it- just relax & enjoy the flight.

|> 1. Should one try to hold on to the boom or push it
|>    away? Does one method or the other result in a fat
|>    lip?

 If you have time to let go of the boom you shouldn't have catapulted!

|> 2. I use a chest harness with a high hook. Does this
|>    increase or decrease the risk of bodily injury
|>    if I get thrown into the rig?

 Probably more likely to hurt your back- get a seat harness.

|> 3. My harness lines are just 1/2 inch nylon lines,
|>    no plastic tubing around them or anything. Does
|>    this "floppiness" help or hurt, ie, am I more likely
|>    to stay hooked in longer (once airborne) and therefore
|>    suffer greater injury?

 Nah- don't worry about it.

|> 4. Does a catapult ever result in being UNDER the sail
|>    and still hooked in after one hits the water?
|>    This seems the most dangerous. Can it be avoided?

 Nah- don't worry about it.

|> 5. My chest harness has a quick release mechanism for
|>    quick exit when tangled with the harness lines.  I
|>    have not seen anything similar for the seat harnesses.
|>    Is there a seat model which really is quick release? 

 Nah- don't worry about it.

|> 6. Has anyone actually TRIED the Toucan (sp?) harness which
|>    is supposed (!) to release under tension?  It seems like
|>    a good idea if someone could somehow add a switch of
|>    some sort (deadman's switch under one of the hands on the
|>    boom?) to release it instead of just relying on shear force
|>    as a trigger.  Any ideas for a switch that would be
|>    practical?

 Nah- don't worry about it.

|> 
|> Thanks in advance!


 Nah- d^H^H^H^H^H^H (sorry) Just practice & relax. Remember the three
key ingredients to successful shortboarding:

	MFP:	Mast Foot Pressure (good for stance & Waterstarts)
	GFI:    Go for it!         (good for stance & Gybes)
        TOW:    Time on the water  (good for the soul!)

	W.

-- 
VitSea 292, Tiga Slalom, Baxter 270 wave and half a Fanatic Bee,
6.2 Topsail 5.1/4.6 Tushinghams 4.2 sShokwave & half a Gaastra 3.2 :-)
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:50:00 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

In article <BrnLJ7.6CF@mail.boi.hp.com> alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:
>jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh) writes:

>: 	2) I want to be able to cruse the hwy at 70 mph while pulling the
>: 	   trailor, so stability is a must.  I've seen small utility trailors
>: 	   at home building supplies for ~$200, with sprung susspensions and 
>: 	   12" or 13" diameter wheels, would this handle 70 mph??

In two words: hell no!  I got a flat recently and had to put on one of
those little toy tires they give you for emergencies.  After just 10
miles at 50 mph those tires were practically smoking they were so hot.
Little tires get lots of revolutions, lots of friction, and get very,
very hot, even at low speeds.  I don't think that they would last long
at 70 mph.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fiberspar lets me down again
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:15:32 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine, CA.

In article <1992Jul27.184204.4212@island.COM>, hue@coney.island.COM (Pond Scum) writes:
> 
> Last weekend I was in City Front Sailboards to buy another pair of Fiberspar
> booms when I overheard Steve Yong telling a potential Chinook boom purchaser
> that Fiberspar booms are starting to come back with broken front ends.  I
> dismissed it as sales-speak, but late on Saturday at Coyote Point the Nautix
> front end on my old Fiberspar booms broke while I was on port tack.  I was
> able to get back in easily with just the one side, in fact I could have
> probably hooked in and got in the straps, but I didn't want to push my luck.
> I examined the break when I got back in and it looks like the aluminum arms
> on the front end broke, the carbon tubes themselves are ok.  Someone on
> the beach told me that mine were the second pair of broken Fiberspar booms
> he had seen that day.
> 
> 
> The local shop owners around here are giving pretty good service, they're
> handling the warranty returns and giving new sets of booms to people who
> break them under warranty.  I had a Fiberspar back end that was starting
> to give me problems (notches and rings were wearing out and starting to slip)
> and Sausilito Sailboards gave me a new one.
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> -Jonathan		hue@island.COM

_GREAT_ My two month old Fiberspar carbon boom is also getting loose and 
slipping at the rear adjustment!  When you say that Sausilito Sailboards 
gave you a new _one_, do you mean the whole rear section, or just the 
locking colar??  I am in the process of dealing with my dealer to rectify
this problem.  The rear adjustment mechanism on the Fiberspar boom is a
real PAIN!  When you attempt to seat the locking colars, one will slip out
of it's notch, and then you have to pull it back out, and reset it!

I'll keep an eye on the front end, fortunately, I only use that boom with
my 7.5 in light air!

BTW, after having a Fiberspar Performance carbon mast break on me in June 
(spontaneously, while the rigged sail was resting on the surface of the water)
the replacement mast (an upgrade to the World Cup carbon) _broke_ while 
pumping the sail, last weekend, ONE MONTH LATER!! ;-(  In fact, the mast
broke in the same place, as it blew out the patch in my sail's luff sock 
from the previous break!  Two Fiberspar masts in one month's time!  And,
of course, now my sail is back in for repair again!

I have already sold the replacement mast(that hasen't arrived yet) and am
switching to another carbon mast.  Has anybody had any experience with the 
Dynafiber masts?  They sound really good, and they have XD (extra-durable) 
model that has extra reinforcement for the heavier sailor, but only 2ozs 
heavier in weight.

Losing faith in the high-tech world of carbon fiber!

~ jmp
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se (Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:03:34 GMT

Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt) writes:

>In article <etxkrjg.712247446@solsta-c> etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se 
>(Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL) writes:
>> It is probably dehydration combined with exhaustion. Drink little but 
>often.
>> Last time I was out with high winds and high temerature, with a 5/3 mm 
>steamer
>> I drank more than 3 litres of water in a couple of hours. Even though I 

>I am in fact always a bit worried to drink too much, since drinking 
>usually results in a later need to pee!

I really must say that I almost never has to "powder my nose" when surfing,
even though I drink as much as 3 litres. The only time this is necessary is
when I start surfing without emptying the bladder before going to the beach.

--
-----------------------------------+  
Kristian Jorg                      !  
e-mail: etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se ! 
-----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Subject: Partial Retraction (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:12:17 GMT

Tuesday, July 21

Just received a call from Windsurfing Express, they said they received
my letter complaining about the $10.90 shipping and handling charge for
two fins.  The man said "yes" they had made a mistake and where going
to credit my account.  I ask why the customer service guy I talked to
last week insisted it wasn't a mistake, but he didn't know (one of these
days I'll learn to write down the name of person I'm talking too).
Anyway, I feel obligated to post a partial retraction for some of the nasty
things I wrote about them last week (but not all!).  I still think their 
shipping charges (along with the other mail-order houses) are getting a 
little to *unrealistic* (see thread "Shipping a Brick" posted earlier).

After this experience, no longer will I just pickup the phone with VISA
in hand and call without first doing a little figuring.  Unfortunately,
here in Okiehoma, there aren't too many Windsurfing Shops and mail-order
is about the only game in town, but living in the middle of tornado alley
does have it's advantages.

Brad
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:01:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Will mentioned lactic acid storage and I tend to agree with it.  I think
the cure is rest and then sail to the brink and beyond again.  Before I
broke my leg, I was working up for a Maui trip where I wanted to sail
every day for 11 days.  I was up to 5 days a week (Tue and Thurs rest)
which I had done for 3 weeks straight.  I found that I had a difficult
time only on the 4th day (Monday) as EVERYTHING seemed to be tired or
slow and I'd miss more jibes than usual, sail a bit slower, and just not
feel like I was having as much fun.

The day I broke my leg was a Wed. where I'd just sailed 2 hrs on 5.1/
ChallangeFlex at 3rd Ave.  I was going fast enough to maintain a plane
in the very light inside wind near shore and hit a big rock with my
foot when I jumped off (expecting deep mud).  Freak accident as I wasn't
tired rather I was comming in as it looked to be backing off and I
didn't want to swim my sinker in from the channel.

Kirk out (until mid Sept.)
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: windsurfing in Bonaire?
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:33:13 GMT
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Howdy

Has anyone out there windsurfed in Bonaire ion the Carribbean?  I would
like to know about windsurfing spots and places to rent good gear.
I'm heading down at Christmas this year,  and would like to make the
most of my time.  Thanks in advance for any replies.

rob
From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: New Board Advice (Design tradeoffs...)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:13:20 GMT
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Distribution: na
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <price.711993624@helios> price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
>
>Which leads me to ask: what is the Astro Rock designed for? I have one, and I
>can see little difference between it and the Presto. The Presto looks like it
>might be a little easier to maintain a plane in a gybe since it has a thicker
>tail. 
>

Why don't we start a general discussion about design principles and
tradeoffs?  I'll admit, my brain is full of hype from the local
Fanatic rep.  I'm sure that the net has more aggregate wisdom about
what features contribute to which performance characteristics.

Here, I'll start the discussion (I'm sure some of these are wrong):

	Rails		Boxy(thick) - better upwind ability
			Thin - better carving ability
	Edges		Sharp - better holding capability
			Beveled - easier turn initiation
	Bottoms		Concave - faster planing
			V - greater stability through chop

--
 +-----+ Trevor Hall                     "Frisbeetarianism: the belief
 |    #| Database Engineer                that when you die, your soul
 |     | Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.   goes up on the roof and gets
 +-----+ thall@sequent.com                stuck."
From: dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Broken Downhauls
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:57:26 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <1992Jul20.195110.19194@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:

[various doubts about Chinook pulley strength deleted]

Well, like I said, I haven't had one break. What I didn't say was:
1. I've used them for 3 years.
2. I use them on both outhaul and downhaul.
3. They are made of metal and plastic, metal through the grommet and plastic 
   wheels, where there is minimal lateral stress.
4. I sail Northwave sails, which employ lots of downhaul, most recently the
   '92 PRX line of sails.
5. They probably cost at least 5$ each from a shop? I don't know, I buy them 
   in bulk from Chinook.
6. I am completely happy with them and have no archaic longings for pulley 
   hooks or threading of line.

In order to give you an idea of how much downhaul I use and a method of
cranking it, I generally use a spare boom extension to wrap the downhaul
line around. Then, with both hands on the extension on either side of the line
and with a foot against the mastbase, I can REALLY apply that downhaul, 
completely closing the gap. And no, I have never broken a boom extension,
but some cheap stick or pole would work as well, I suppose.

-dan@kronos.com
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:05:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Info on Windsurfing/Scuba Packages in Aruba
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, merylf@brtph115.bnr.ca (Meryl W. Freeman) writes:

> in Aruba that includes windsurfing and scuba. 

	Red Sail Sports - 800-255-6425

	If he goes there, tell him to say HI to Gary Smith and tell
	Gary I sent ya.


	Tom Albertz - Colorado.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:47:42 GMT

In article <h9fmp4n.westes@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
>
>>They are also coming out with an ultra fast slalom board measuring 8'10" with
>>95 liters of volume. In a couple of weeks I'll know the weight and a bit more
>>about the '93 stuff.
>
>Oh great, just what Bic needs: another fast 8'10" board with something
>around 100 liters of flotation!  :(  Aren't the Adagio and Electric Rock enough in
>that size range?

Would you say the F2 Sputnik or the Mistral Energy to also be in that range?
Size and flotation is something but you also have to consider weight, bottom
shape, rails etc.

The new 8'10 is not going to be an all-around slalom board like the adagio.
Take a look at the shapes on the E-rock compared to the adagio. They are
created for different conditions. One excels over the other in different
situations and conditions.

Even though they are similar in size, you would not compare the sputnik to the 
adagio would you? Also, all 12' boards can't be considered "course boards"
right?

>
>Personally, what I think Bic needs is a high-wind board that can match
>up to the Mistral Ecstasy.  

The Alto is a board worthy of challenging the ecstasy especially with a good
fin. It handles the waves with great maneuverability. Its probably better in
waves than the ecstasy which is more of a wave/slalom .

>They also need 8'6" and 8'10" boards that jibe great rather than just being all-out race boards.

The 8'6 is called the RAP. The 8'10, well I don't know yet what they will call
it. If a person knows how to jibe then any board will jibe great once they get 
used to it. Even a Hiper-Tech.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: robg@Cadence.COM (Rob Garneau)
Subject: ######## Sail For Sale ##########
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:45:33 GMT


Sail for sale:

    Mistral 6.6 m2 race double camber monofilm 1989 model (bought in June 1990)
	used only about 6 times. Excellent condition. Very powerful! 
	$195  (I bought it new for $425)

(I traded in my transition board for a short board so I can no longer use 
this sail.)
    
Call Rob Garneau

H (408) 453-7353
W (408) 944-7763

email: rob@cadence.com
From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mistral Ecstacy board question (back footstrap)
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:33:33 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <nlo7cvk@fido.asd.sgi.com>, alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
writes:
|> I have noticed that the back strap still gets somewhat loose after using 
|> it for a while. Is anybody having the same problem ? 

all wave boards which allow you to rotate the back starp to get an
assymetrical rear foot angle for frontside wave riding have the same problem.
(as opposed to boards with 2 starps, wher you just remove one as on the tigas).

Solutions:
- get the habit of just tigntening the screw on all your straps before each
  session (no problem) and every hour (hassle)
- put locktite on the screw (I was afraid to try.. did anybody else tried?)
- my solution: put some "grip" (antiskid, resin + sand/sugar, astrodek)
  on the plug to prevent the strap from rotating too much. you will still have
  to check your screws before a session, but not between each

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjmg1@fel.tno.nl (Peter van Oosterom)
Subject: spots in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida?
Summary: info on good spots and board rental
Keywords: windsurf, spots, rental, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:53:49 GMT

Hi everybody,

The first 3 weeks of August I will be touring around in South Carolina,
Georgia and Florida. I would very much like to spend some days windsurfing:
wave/slalom boards (2.60-2.70 meters). I'm interested in:

- good windsurf locations (most important: wind; waves would be nice).
- places to rent surf-equipment (close to beach, or rental with 'equipment'
  to transport the board on top of the roof of the car).

3 or 4 years ago, I did also spent my vacation in Florida. There were
two good spots: Key West (flat water; equipment rented from a shop
called 'South') and somewhere above Ft. Lauderdale (about 0.75 meter waves;
equipment rented from a F2-center at the beach).

Could somebody give me more info on good spots (and board rental) in the
area of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida?
Thanks a lot!

Regards, Peter van Oosterom.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 03:29:07 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:

>Finally, I try to watch out for dehydration by monitering my weight.
>I weigh myself first thing in the morning each day, and interprete a
>weight drop of more than 1-2 pounds as a warning; a drop that big is
>almost certainly water loss.   Until my weight is back up to "normal,"
>I continue to drink large amounts of water...up to a liter with each
>meal.  

That sounds like great advice.  I notice that my weight can change as
much as 5 pounds in just two days, so it's probably good to take watch
of such changes and act swiftly when they happen.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing