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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:27:50 GMT

In article <92278.175733JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> Jeff Pierce <JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Maybe the Blue Jays players score so well for Morris because they know
>that a four run lead, on average, isn't enough to guarantee a win for
>the team.  I believe they spotted him a 6 to 1 lead a few days ago, and
>Morris gave up 5 more runs before he left the game with an 8-6 lead.  I
>like Morris, but I wonder what his record would be if he were pitching
>for the Angels (Nelson, would you want him this year)?

Put it this way: according to the "Pythagorean" formula, if he had gotten
*Jim Abbott*'s run support, his record would be a 7-19.  Enough said.

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Real-life rulebook trivia
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:14:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Sep29.161451.7053
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In <trn.717767372@warper.jhuapl.edu> trn@warper.jhuapl.edu (Tony Nardo) writes:
>Well, we've drifted a *long* way from the original scenario... :-)

[Lots and lots and lots and lots deleted]

>Why not?  The sentence is semantically correct without the "re" imposed on
>"retouch".  And, whether or not the "re" was *intended* to carry extra
>weight, I remain unconvinced that a protest of the strict "retouch"
>interpretation would be overturned by the arguement that such a ruling
>violates the intent of the framers of the game.

Original intent of the framers?  No way.  The *real* question is, what 
would John Stuart Mill think about the whole thing?

-- 
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niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
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From: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1992 Baseball Awards
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud
Reply-To: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone) 

RD>My thoughts:
ohhh... boyyy (rubbing palms vigorously <G>

RD>AL MVP: Dennis Eckersley
RD>AL CY YOUNG: Dennis Eckersley
RD>AL Rookie :Kenny Lofton
RD>AL Comeback:Mark McGwire
I agree with all of these....


RD>NL MVP:Barry Bonds
RD>NL CY Young:Tom Glavine
RD>NL Rookie:Eric Karros
RD>NL Comeback:Doug Jones
Might want to include Dave Hollins in some sort of way in something...

RD>MLB best hitter:Gary Sheffield
RD>MLB best power hitter:Juan Gonzalez
Here I must disagree as Mark Mcgwire was out for nearly 3 weeks and
probably would have posted more Hr's...

RD>MLB best pitcher:Roger Clemens
RD>MLB best rel. pitcher:Dennis Eckersley
RD>MLB hard luck award:Jim Abbott
RD>MLB overrated player:Eric Davis
RD>MLB underrated player:Edgar Martinez
RD>Who would you hire for a franchise player:Barry Bonds
RD>Next MLB superstar hitter:Dave Hollins
HERE HE IS!!!!!               ^^^^^^^^^^^

RD>Next MLB superstar pitcher:Brien Taylor
RD>1993 World Series:Cleveland v.s. Atlanta
                     ^^^^^^^^^
                     Keep Dreamin<G>

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL ROY: More Fuel for Debate
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:11:32 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <6552@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)  
writes:
> Thus spake z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu:
> >
> >	Well, I would consider Bonds worth 5/9ths a run a game more than
> >Pendleton (basically just subtract the higher RC/27 from the  
lower, divide by 9
> >(unless Bonds can take up 2 batting slots :-)) and that will be  
the player's 
> >*rough* advantage in runs/game).
> 
> Does this mean that, over 150 games, Bonds's team will score 250  
more runs
> than Pendleton's, all other things being equal?  Or, conversely,  
that the
> Pirates would have scored 250 fewer runs with Pendleton batting in  
place of
> Bonds?  I find that hard to believe.

Have I missed something here.  Wouldn't 5/9 run per game * 150 games
equal 83 runs?

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Kirby's Last Home-Game in the Dome?????
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:57:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Was today's Sox/Twins game the last home game in the dome.
Well the Twins' front office holds the key.
As Kirby himself puts it: "Andy & Pohlad call the shots. I have
given my best for this ball club. Now it is my time to sit and
relax and see what happens".

Anyway, whatever happens, it was great fun watching Kirby play
even in lean times. 

And thanx for all the great memmories(especially Game-6 of the 91
WS)

Win or Lose; Forever TWins

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 3Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 06:54:19 GMT

				RC/27	VALUE
Edgar Martinez, Seattle		9.41	73.2
Gary Sheffield, San Diego	9.12	70.8
Ken Caminiti, Houston		6.50	32.7
Terry Pendleton, Atlanta	6.47	41.4
Robin Ventura, Chicago (AL)	6.39	38.3
Dave Hollins, Philadelphia	6.15	35.7
Leo Gomez, Baltimore		5.91	26.3
Dave Magadan, New York (NL)	5.77	17.0
Rene Gonzalez, California	5.61	16.4
Greg Jefferies, Kansas City	5.30	22.5
Todd Zeile, St. Louis		5.08	14.9
Wade Boggs, Boston		5.03	16.5
Dean Palmer, Texas		4.85	15.4
AVERAGE				4.78
Steve Buechele, Chicago (NL)	4.73	13.4
Chris Sabo, Cincinnati		4.65	8.5
Kevin Seitzer, Milwaukee	4.59	11.2
Carney Lansford, Oakland	4.59	10.4
Bret Barberie, Montreal		4.28	3.6
Charlie Hayes, New York (AL)	4.25	6.1
Brook Jacoby, Cleveland		4.06	2.2
Scott Livingstone, Detroit	3.96	1.6
Matt Williams, San Francisco	3.85	1.0
Scott Leius, Minnesota		3.76	-0.2
Tim Wallach, Montreal		3.76	-0.2	; must be leadership
Jeff King, Pittsburgh		3.56	-2.8
Kelly Gruber, Toronto		3.47	-3.7
Gary Gaetti, California		3.29	-6.0
Dave Hansen, Los Angeles	2.90	-7.8

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Superlatives of the NL
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:28:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ahn-041092012617@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>Best rookie starting pitcher: Rheal Cormier (what a 2nd half!) 

Tim Wakefield.

>Most disappointing pitcher: Andy Benes

Dwight Gooden.

>MVP: Terry Pendleton (the core of the Atlanta Braves each day)

Bonds was as much Pittsburgh's core as Pendleton was Atlanta's.  And Bonds
put up better numbers.

>Best hitter: Gary Sheffield (great in the clutch, superior power, average,
>RBI)

Sheffield and Bonds.  Tie.

>Best leadoff man: Bip Roberts

Otis Nixon and Brett Butler.

>Most disappointing hitter: Matt Williams

Tim Wallach gets honorable (dishonorable?) mention.

>Best catch of the year: Otis Nixon's leap over the fence grab during the
>Braves winning stretch. Put a punctuation on the Braves push to re-win the
>pennant

Honorable mention:  Jose Lind's play in the 9th vs the Mets on the day the
Bucs clinched the east.

>Best Manager: Jim Leyland (I still don't understand how he did it)

See Barry Bonds.


Dean

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From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Kill the Catcher
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:44:52 GMT
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

In article <Bv6xqo.5zF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins) writes:
>lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) writes:
>>Oh, come on, going to the dictionary to support an argument about
>>fine details of baseball terminology?  
>
>Well, I don't see it defined in the the official rules.  You seem to be
>talking about obstruction, but you keep referring to it as blocking.  I
>don't see how your feeling on the issue is somehow better than a
>definition from the dictionary.

Because I know one hell of a lot more about baseball than dictionary
writers. The dictionary is a general reference work unsuited for use in
fineline discussions in any discipline.  Two weeks ago someone told me
that "port" was not a verb, as in "port to Unix."  As evidence, he
trotted out the dictionary.  Nonsense.

The difinition you cite is applicable to football, as when an offensive
tackle blocks a linebacker.  The baseball use of blocking is either
more like "You're blocking the doorway" or is obstruction.  It's not
a football-like legal play.  Your definition is not even applicable
to basketball, as I showed earlier.

Anyway, it just doesn't matter.  This is a semantic side-issue.  Even
if I were to concede that blocking is what you say it is, it doesn't
affect the main discussion.  Consequently, I'll not argue this line
any more.

You still have not answered my basic argument, which is that it should
be illegal to crash the catcher.  You seem to be trying to use
semantic arguments to show that this play must remain legal, because
there's no alternative that can work.  But the rulechange I proposed
is already used in many amateur baseball and softball leagues: it works
fine.  Theoretical or semantic arguments about whether my rulechange
can work won't cut it since it has been shown empirically to work fine.
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What If....& If & if...
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:23:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20832
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Just imagine a scenerio in which the Brewers just scrape through
to the playoffs and somehow get the better of the As, then as
a team, they would give the maximum trouble to the Braves in
the world series.

Why....

A good running team like Montreal harassed the Braves in the
regular season and so a windy team like the Brew-Crew can 
make things tough for the Braves...

Any comments are welcome
S.H
WIN OR LOSE; FOREVER TWINS!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: franki@prso.pttnwb.nl (Frank van Ierland)
Subject: STANDINGS and SCORES
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:55:56 GMT

What hapened with the standing and scores postings. We down here in europe are
missing the like ...  
Especialy in these last weeks i would like to follow thing on a day by day 
bases. 

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: George Bell
Keywords: What IS it about this site?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:58:31 GMT

In article <BvAxwG.M27@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
>
>Again my point is misunderstood.  I guess a better way to put this is that
>Bell's increasing his on-base percentage a couple of points produces
>a negligable effect, if any.

I disagree that ~30 points of OBP is negligible.  That's some 20 extra
times on base over the course of the season, for 5-10 runs scored
*and* an extra game's worth of AB.  Probably worth about 1-1.5 games,
which *is* significant compared to the overall contribution of any one
player.

>But I don't think you
>can say the guy had a bad year just because he's hitting .255 and isn't
>drawing a lot of walks.

I agree with you here.  Bell had a bad year because he had a low OBP,
a not-particularly-great SLG, and no defensive value.  He could be
forgiven the OBP if he had 40 2B+3B and 30 HR.  He would be great if
he played a good defensive catcher.  But he doesn't.

>I'm not backing down here.  George Bell bats behind Thomas BECAUSE Thomas
>is going to give him a lot of opportunities with men on base.  That's
>why there's a batting order.  Look at some of Bobby Knight's basketball
>players.  Steve Alford could do one thing.  Shoot.  He couldn't dribble,
>pass or play defense.  Does this mean he wasn't helping his team win? No.

First I'll say something that will probably turn you off.  But please
try to read on and understand what I'm saying.  That's basketball,
this is baseball.  Okay, I said it.  Now I had better support my claim
that they are significantly different.

Baseball has been designed with the philosophy that all players should
play all parts of the game.  Every player plays the field, every
player leads off innings, every player bats with runners on base, and
every player has to run the bases.  (Spare me talk about pitchers and
the DH.  I realize that this is not 100% accurate.)  If baseball
allowed unlimited substitutions, you could have Wade Boggs draw that
leadoff walk, let Otis Nixon steal second, and have Joey Belle bring
him home.  But it doesn't always work this way.  Managers design the
lineup to emphasize the strengths and hide the weaknesses of the
players.  But this doesn't work perfectly.  You can let Alford handle
the ball for Sloan.  But you can't let Newson bat in bases-empty
situations for Bell.  You are stuck with either one or the other.
They each suck at half the job, and so neither is particularly good.

Besides, I suspect that Bell is *below* average for a DH at driving in
runs.  He has a lot of RBIs, but he has had a tremendous number of
opportunities too.  Is his conversion rate good?  And if he's only
driving in 25% of the runners from scoring position (like I suspect),
why is he batting cleanup????

Cheers,
-Valentine
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Clemens four Cy Young!
From: rocker@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RG's 1992 Tribe Front Office Report Card
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:21:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Oct6.082125.4566
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wright State University


	You forgot one really big, great move by the from office.

	Moving the AAA team into the IL.  Now I can route for a Tribe team
instead of a Yankee team.

	Just wish they could have landed the Columbus team last year.

rock hard
From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Question about lack of a starter
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:17:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshub.1992Sep30.031706.28973
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada


	Ok people, here's a question. Last Sunday, Roger Clemens couldn't
pitch due to a pulled groin muscle. He is announced as the starter and
is listed in the boxscore after the game with 0 pitches. Since Hesketh
was recorded as the second Boston pitcher, was it necessary for him to
get five innings to get a win?
From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Glavine
Keywords: Tidbits
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:43:40 GMT
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

In article <69737@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0924a@prism.gatech.EDU (Delgado,Mark March (Metallica, TheDeathAngel)) writes:
>an interesting tidbit that no one seems to have
>said anything about:
>
>Glavine was playing hurt!
>
>oh, not just bruised ribs, but a broken one.

If you're arguing about who's the best pitcher in the NL, then this
has to be taken into account.  Glavine is arguably the best pitcher
in the NL.  (At least we NL fans can argue about such things; in the
AL it's not even a topic that can be argued.)

Glavine, in an interview, seemed to think that this should be taken
into account when handing out the Cy Young award.  I disagree.  Sure,
it's unfortunate that the injury affected his performance, but you
have to hand out a single-season award based on performance.  It
seems to me that Maddox has had the best season, by a good margin.

-Len, in Atlanta, wearing a Braves cap as I post, but not completely
out of touch with reality.
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 12:20:09 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PIRATES AGIAIN!!!
	<1992Oct1.024500.6147@ncsu.edu>
	<Men5MmS00YV7E1qq4P@andrew.cmu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 2-Oct-92 Re: PIRATES AGIAIN!!!
Eric Alva Dunmire@andrew (864)

> Bonds will stay in Pittsburgh.  He can see that his buddy Bonilla found
> out that money doesn't mean winning. 

> Drabek will be gone. He'll go for more money than the pirates will offer him.


God I hope you are right.  If they do sign Bonds, they probably won't
even offer Drabek another contract.  They have enough young pitching
plus a healthy Zane Smith to make up for Drabek.  Also, assuming Bonds
comes back, their offense will be better with Kevin Young getting 400
AB's and Garcia replacing LInd.

I think the Pirates are the most improved team.  They no longer have
Bonilla!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Lighten up!(and Cy Young)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:58:25 GMT

In article <25943@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>
>Morris.....ya kiddin' me ERA above 4.5......

Not to be defending Morris or anything, but I believe he has dropped
his ERA below 4.0 now.  He pitched horribly at the start of the
season, but since then has been rather good.

>Eckersley only pitched in 80 or so innings...Give Eck the MVP
>not the Cy Young.....

Did he blow a third save op the other day?  Or did I misunderstand
the box score?  I believe he may also have picked up a second loss,
though I might be wrong.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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Clemens four Cy Young!
From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jay Probabilities
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:09:35 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: twromero@damrod.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


In article <1992Oct1.183857.556@moore.com>, dave@moore.com (Dave Rooney) writes:
|> As of Thursday morning October 1st, there are 20 possible outcomes to
|> the American League East pennant race. 17 of these result in the Blue
|> Jays clinching! while only 1 results in a Brewer victory - 2 result
|> in a tie. The Blue Jay success percentage is 85%.
|> 
|> After tonights Brewer game, there will be 16 possible outcomes with
|> two scenarios depending on the winner of tonight's game.
|> 
|> If the Brewers lose tonight, the Jays chances become 94% successful -
|> they clinch in 15 of the possible 16 outcomes. They are guaranteed at
|> least a tie.
|> 
|> If the Brewers win (perish the thought) the Jays chances drop to 81.25%.
|> They would clinch in 13 of the possible outcomes, the Brewers would win in
|> 1, and the  other 2 outcomes would result in ties.
|> 
|> So...it looks pretty good! 
|> 
|> ...David Rooney (with help from Kevin)
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    Why bother calculating the odds?

    BUT, can they get by Oakland?
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Prospects of the NL
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:55:02 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <Ahn-051092154301@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>By the way, who was he traded for? I know he's not an all-time Indian. I
>bet it was some stinky team in the NL. Was it the Braves? :-) I hope so.

No, it was the Padres.  The Padres sent Baerga, Sandy Alomar, and Chris
James to the Indians for Joe Carter.  If the Indians could pull off more
trades like this, they'd be contenders.

>CHIPPER JONES - any chance of this guy being brought up next year? 

According to the latest _Baseball America_, there's some belief that Jones
might be ready for the bigs next year. 

>Sorry for those who are upset about me never mentioning Wakefield. He's too
>"decipherable": knuckler, will be around for a while, BORING.

But I *love* that kind of BORING, especially in a Pirate uniform...

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Inevitable changes
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:26:33 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Local (St. Paul-Minneapolis) columnist Pat Reusse has a very interesting piece
in the paper today.  The gist of it was the following:

Now that the owner's have their lackey installed as pseudo commish, and the
TV contract is coming up for renewal, you can count on the following three
network-influenced changes to baseball:

	1.  Interleague play
	2.  The return of the 156 game schedule
	3.  Wildcard playoff system

My reaction is this: I'm for a very limited (1 series vs. teams from the other
league) form of interleague play using home DH-related rules.  There's no
denying that this will be interesting to see from a fan's perspective.
I also have no problem with the 156 game schedule; over the long haul it will
probably put more tension into the pennant races.  Which brings me to my third
reaction: I don't want to see baseball lose the integrity of the current
playoff system.  Football's playoff system got worse when they went with
3 wildcard teams instead of just 1.  Basketball and hockey are a joke, allowing
teams with LOSING records into the playoffs.  Baseball is the one sport with
a true champion: if your team can be on top after the grueling regular season,
your team has truly accomplished something that it can be proud of.  Sure,
allowing only the two other best teams into the playoffs is not that awful.
But I feel that once you allow two wildcard teams, pretty soon the 3rd place
teams will be whining that they should be included, and before long you end
up with a bogus basketball or hockey style playoff system.

Any reactions?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Three Hose Tidbits
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:40:15 GMT

In article <BvEAqE.KFq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>
>	I'd echo Ted Frank's thoughts on the effectiveness of McDowell
>	(very) versus McCaskill (not) when runners are on base.  Jack
>	bears down, while Kirk slows down terribly and apparently loses
>	concentration...

Isn't McCaskill famed for being difficult to steal against?  Or am I
confusing pitchers?  Perhaps he should eschew this fame and simply
ignore the baserunners occasionally?  If pitching from the stretch
costs him that much...

Cheers,
-Valentine
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Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!