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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Women Posting articles (was Re: FOR MEN ONLY)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:09:50 GMT

In article <1992Mar18.134804.13054@cbnews.cb.att.com> tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
>In article <ksd09tINN5g5@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>	Perhaps they could post under a male psuedonym.  Get an account 
>   with an alias using a male name.  I wonder if anyone is already doing 
>   this ??  It would be interesting to see if you could identify gender 
>   by the nature of posts.  I seriously doubt if that would be possible.

Sometimes it is possible by the writing style and content to guess gender,
particularly if (s)he posts often.

>	(sheesh, I can see it now.... start a whole new flame fest,
>	"common fess up, your really a woman"  :-(   )

I've had this happen to me enough times that it is no longer funny.  There
was once a guy from Germany who was "after" me and could have sworn I was
a "young maiden."  I told him that he could visit me and see for himself.
(I have no objection to making friends of *either* gender.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: CO Recreation in MA
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:41:26 GMT

In article <rpaolino.261@polisci.pol.umn.edu> rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.072919.16074@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bi045@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Purbrick) writes:
>>As always when people ask about CO areas near your-city's-name-here, 
>>GET THE WORLD GUIDE. It's even more of a FGR (Frequently Given Response)
>>than answers to The Question.
>
>I hope you aren't trying to discourage people from asking questions about 
>locations for beaches.
 
There's no need to stop asking the questions, but one can expect to be
told "get the world guide" as John said.  (Lee Baxandall's WG for those
who like being very specific)  Sometimes people have personal experiences
to add, but usually people just quote the books.  I seldom list anything
more than the names of beaches unless I am describing it from my personal
experience.  Typing in entire listings is time consuming and is in
violation of copywrites (what, me? No, I would *never* do anything like
that! :-).

>No, I don't have the WG, but will probably get it 
>sometime (BTW, could someone post a sample listing in its entirety to give 
>those of us who don't have it an idea of the kind of information we'd get 
>beyond just the location?).  But even if I did have it, I would still enjoy 

It would be difficult to determine a "typical" entry in the book.  Some of
the listings fill a page.  Others are only a couple of sentences.  Some
are incorrect and others downright useless.  For some regions, info is
quite good.  For others it's almost non-existent.  LB's WG is, nevertheless,
very useful...especially when travelling.  It does have a *lot* of listings
(especially in the US).  Most of them should be treated as possibilities
only.  Directions are sometimes vague and unreliable.  It's NOT perfect, but
I DO recommend it.  (Read the FAQ for the address.)

>reading other people's reviews of particular areas and learn about places 
>not listed.  SO KEEP ASKING AND KEEP REPLYING!!!
	 
Bill.
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From: foster@mtechca.uucp (self.attribute:=major_arcana[0].name)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Public Pools
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:40:58 GMT
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources, Inc. Orange, CA

> <12924@bwdls58.bnr.ca>, hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup):
> I've read that YMCA pools were often male only and clothing forbidden,
> based on a theory that lint from swimsuits would foul the filters.

Of the three YMCAs I am familiar with: one had no pool, the other 
was used as a flophouse for the nearly-homeless until it closed last
year from lack of funds, and the third has windows in the pool area 
that open to the street. In fact, I can't think of any public or semi-
public pools in California that aren't open to public view in one way 
or another - most of ours are outside (because they CAN be!).

The gym that I belong to (the original Holiday, now owned by Bally) 
has only one locker room/shower area/pool complex. Women use it MWF, 
men TTS, and they split Sunday, men in the morning, women in the 
afternoon. The jacuzzi and swimming pool are not open to the street 
or the workout area.

When I first joined three years ago, many men (80% or more) would swim 
and jacuzz without textiles, despite the signs that said "swimsuits must
be worn in the pools and steamroom". That's where I first found out that
swimming in cloth is a real drag, despite what the swimracers say. 

I stopped going for a few months. When I returned, everyone was wearing 
textiles, no exceptions. 

There are a number of homosexual men who hang out at this club, and some
of them used to parade and pose in front of the mirrors. They still do,
but now with bikinis on. All I can think is that something got too
blatant during the time I was gone. Apparently someone had complained and 
now the textile rule is strictly enforced, by social and staff pressure.

Does anyone knows of any CO or swim clubs or athletic facilities in 
Orange County that have CO hours? How about a beach closer than the one
at San Onofre State Park? 

Jeff
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: Ugly fat people
Organization: CSI Dept., University of Ottawa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 17:15:13 GMT

My fiancee, being full bodied, has been teased about her weight quite often.
Sure, her body does not fit the popular image of a "healthy" body, but she's
one of the healthiest person I know around (except for the salmonella she had
a couple of weeks ago.)

When she was studying at universiy, she shared an apartment with another girl
whose physique was considered "attractive."  She was (and is) 5'7", 120 lb,
shapely, etc... but in no way "physically fit."  She could not climb more than
5 stories of stairs, or run even a mile.  She teased my fiancee for being "out
of shape" but my fiancee is the one who can ride a bicycle for 100 miles in 
less than 6 hours and go out that night.

What a hypocritical society we live in!
-- 
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         (613) 564-8155 / 789-2932 | afford a carriage,
From: witters@eskimo.celestial.com (John Witters 353-4672)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Boob tube nudes
Keywords: Network, television
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:22:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=

In article <1992Apr6.182536.23338@gjetor.geac.com> cliffg@gjetor.geac.com (Cliff Goldstein) writes:
>Post Script:
>     IMO they weren't ever all that funny and I am looking forward to
>watching "Kids In The Hall" & "CODCO" again.  In Toronto, on the CBC
>Thursday nights at 9:00 & 9:30 respectively.  Two shows MUCH funnier
>than anything the U.S. networks have to offer.  (Hint, hint... if you
>haven't seen either of them yet make the effort and keep your fingers
>crossed that they don't get sold out to U.S. interests like SCTV was.)

Sorry to break the bad news, but they've already sold out "Kids in the Hall"
to a couple of US cable networks: the comedy channel and (I think) HBO.

Here in the Seattle area they can be seen on some cable systems that carry CBC
British Columbia.  You're right, "The Kids in the Hall" is one of the funniest
shows I've ever seen.  It would be a shame if some U.S. megacorporation kills
it.

I guess this doesn't have much to do with nudism though.  Here, I'll start
another thread.  Has anyone been to Gamma Hot Springs in the Glacier Peak
Wilderness here in Washington?  I'd like to find out what it was like and if
it's worth finding.  For those that have never heard of them, they are rumored
to be on the East side of Glacier Peak, and it takes about three days to
backpack in to them.  I was going to try finding them last year, but the
Suiattle River Road was washed out by a flood, and the Forest Service won't be
repairing it until 1993 (if at all.)

-John

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From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Public Pools
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:46:49 GMT
Organization: VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, Oulu

In article <1992Apr6.180527.21072@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner) writes:
>-> All true.  The public pool in Munich has certain hours for FKK
>-> (Freikoerperkultur -- literally "cultivating the body, free of
>-> clothing").  
>
>Not quite... but the complete explanation will be too long and too boring.
>
>-> I have
>-> never seen anyone in a sauna in Germany with a bathing suit.

>I have... and it was probably the most embarassing situation in that
>person's whole life. Just one question: Are other people really wearing
>CLOTHES in saunas? Towels maybe, but anything else?

YES!  In the US, some hotels have saunas with their pools and people are
expected to wear bathing suits in the sauna.  I normally take my suit
off in the sauna, but throw a towel over my genitals on the rare
occasion that someone comes in.  

One time at a Holiday Inn, i was in the hotel sauna and a woman walked
in wearing a sweat suit!  I suggested to her that she might be more
comfortable if she took it off, but she said she couldn't as she only
had her underwear on underneath.  I said that i wouldn't mind but didn't
push it or it would seem that i wanted to see her in her underwear or
less (Horrors!-).  So she stayed in the sauna about 5 minutes in sweat 
pants and sweatshirt and then left.

I didn't offer to leave so that she could strip.  I doubt she would have
even with noone else in there.

>Achim

doug foxvog
dfo@tko.vtt.fi
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From: stella@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Stella Veretnikgrad)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Minnesota Naturists Clothing Optional Calendar
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:07:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr11.160705.9835
Distribution: na
Organization: MBCC, Univ. of Minnesota


      SPRING 1992 CLOTHING-OPTIONAL CALENDAR
                  MINNESOTA NATURISTS

Kids are admitted FREE at all activities.

**Tentative.

Saturday, April 11 - GAME NIGHT in SE Minneapolis 7:00 PM
to midnight.  Play board games and card games.  Cost is $3 at
the door.  Snacks provided, but BYOB and a towel to sit on.

Sunday, April 12 - WOMEN'S GROUP DISCUSSION 2:00 PM - ?
no cost.  Meet to discuss women's concerns about health,
body image, and naturism.

Saturday, April 25 - INDOOR SWIM 6:00-10:00 PM.  Swim,
snorkel, play water volleyball, or try Discover Scuba.  Cost is
$5 at the door.  Bring a towel.

Saturday, May 2 - VOLLEYBALL in S. Mpls.  Cost is $3 at the
door.

Friday, May 8 - BOWLING IN THE BUFF in S. Minneapolis.
9:00 PM to 1:00 AM.  Bring a towel to sit on.  Cost at the
door is $7 and includes shoes and unlimited bowling, $3
if you don't want to bowl.  Ping pong, pool tables, video games,
and drink/grill food also available.

Sunday, May 17 - FITNESS CENTER RECREATION 1:00 - 5:00 
PM.  Sauna, jacuzzi, volleyball, racquetball, free weights,
machines, and tanning bed.  $6 at the door.  Bring a towel to
sit/lay on while using the equipment.  No handicap access.

Friday, May 22 to Monday, May 25 - CAMPING ON WIS. RIVER
in Saulk City for Memorial Day weekend.  Parking and
port-o-toilets available.  No running water or electricity.

Sunday, May 31 - INDOOR SWIM 6:00-10:00 PM.  Cost is $5 at
the door.  Discover snorkeling, dive for pool toys.  Discover Scuba
possible after 9:00 PM.  Bring a towel.

Saturday, June 6 - PICNIC and clean-up at Twin Lake.  Meet on
beach at noon.  Bring bags/boxes for clean-up, and a picnic
lunch.

Sunday, June 14 - HIKE at Elm Creek Park.  Meet at 12:30.  Bring
picnic lunch.  Cost of parking and/or admission only.

Saturday, June 20 - MIXED PAIR OUTDOOR BBQ in SE Mpls.  4:00
to ?.  Bring your own beverage and something to grill.  $3 at
the door.

Saturday, June 27 - CANUDING on the St. Croix.  Meet at 11:00 AM.
Canoe until 4:30 PM or so.  Bring towel and picnic lunch.  $10 per
person, includes canoes,  paddles, and lifejackets.  (In case of rain,
meet Sunday instead.)

Thursday, July 2 to Sunday, July 5 - CAMPING ON WISCONSIN
RIVER in Saulk City, WI for Independence Day.  Parking and
port-o-toilets available.  No running water or electricity.


         -- VISITORS WELCOME AT ALL ACTIVITIES --


-- For further details, call John at (612) 339-3898 or 
Pam at (612) 333-0949.

E-mail to farquhar_allen_b@lilly.com.

This applies to Mixed Pairs SIG events only:
Any member or guest may attend - but they must be 
accompanied by a MOTOS, insuring an even gender ratio.
The person could be a friend, brother, sister, daughter, son,
parent, partner, spouse, etc.

All other events:
Any member or guest may attend.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Ugly fat people
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.2711
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <52902@mimsy.umd.edu> jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski) writes:
>[...]"couch potato" type, someone who has no intrinsic problems, but simply
>through lifestyle habits has allowed their body to degrade.  These
>[...]in the case of weight, they fail to change their eating habits as their
>activity levels drop, they are being lazy. 

	I've been trying to keep out of this, but finally got disgusted 
enough to jump in...

	Isn't this just like saying "Oh, that person wears old clothes.  That's
ugly and they're just too lazy to take care of their appearance." or "that
person drives an old rusty car..." ?  The way I look is natural for me...

	I think what concerns me here is the elitism of "Oh, that body is
_unkempt_ and _unattractive_.  But of course *I'm* too civilized to say
anything."  Do you just put your nose in the air and huff?

	How about all those people who are too lazy to have cosmetic
surgery?  How about all my broken bones that never set quite right ?  I've
always been too lazy to have them re-broken...  But now I'm *crooked* !  
How unasthetic...

	Isn't it true that in many cultures being overweight was 
considered beautiful, and a sign of health and prosperity?  Since the
common folk were always hungry and sick they were thin and _ugly_ ...

>minor and temporary and do not prevent one from keeping physically
>fit over a period of years.

	Hmmmm...  I'm 20 pounds overwieght.  I'll bet $100.00 that 
I can take you 2 falls out of 3 in a wrestling match...  What's 
"physically fit" ?  I don't want to be a marathon runner, you know...

>I love going to a gathering and seeing folks playing tennis or swimming
>with well toned(and tanned:-) bodies.  Whether they are 16 or 60, it 

	Why don't you like to see _people_ having fun?  As far as I'm 
concerned, the pleasurable part is "people having fun" not "gorgeous
sexy tanned young people having fun"...
	
>Gotta run.  Blue Skies!

	Hope you never run into me.  I'd be, like, *so* embarrased
over my potbelly and my crooked leg and the fact that I'm too lazy to
go to the doctor and get Minoxidil...  May your mind become as clear as
the skies you wish for, friend.

	For what it's worth, I've never once seen a nude person that
I felt was "ugly" or even "unattractive".  I've seen plenty of people
swathed in yards of nylon or polyester that I thought looked funny, though.
From: prall968@Armstrong.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Looking in GA
Summary: Where oh where can that nude beach be?
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:48:23 GMT
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA

I live in Savannah GA. A rather medium sized town on the S. Carolina
border and on the coast of GA.
 I am looking for a list of nude beaches in this area.
Can anyone help?


Gene
prall968@pirates.armstrong.edu
From: tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nudist politicians
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:02:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.f-sjwa-.tcumming
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <4508@verdix.verdix.com> dharma@verdix.com (Manjeri Dharmarajan) writes:
>supplement her income, she swims nude in a huge fish-bowl in a club called
>"Bimbo's"!


She still does... But a better story I think is the German politition who
was running for mayor. His opponent was trying make him look bad with
a poster saying he was seen at a nude beach. He responded w/ his own poster
w/ himself naked at the beach... with the title "I have nothing to hide".
He won the election.

Tom C.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: CL234106@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Y. CAO)
Subject: Re: fat people
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:20:38 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr13.005832.8731@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:

> 
> 
> I still say that the people who say we shouldn't judge people by their
> size and that fat is beautiful are the fat people themselves,after all,they
> wouldn't put themselves down and we are all beautiful to ourselves.
> If they're happy with the way they look,the it's fine.To each his own,we 
> shouldn't try to force our own beliefs on other people and I'm not here,this
> is just my opinion.
> Can't we end this damn discussion of women more modest,etc on here.
I knew I would end up in this discussion eventualy. I am 6'1" and weigh about
130 lbs. For those of you not good at weight ratios, that means I am very
skinny. I have tried numerous diets to gain weight, and failed. I am
uncomfotable with my body, and have been unable to change it. 
I feel that we are weight obsessed. People worry about 10 or 20 lbs, as if it
were really going to make a difference towards looking like the perfect person.
Personally, I seem to gravitate towards women who are 20 lbs + overweight.
Often much more. I don't like people who are as enemic looking as I am.

I realize that isn't entirely the issue here, but I do feel it is part of the
issue. We <society> have established certain ridiculous norms, and too many
people get upset when we don't abide by them. 
HTe latter part of your post is right. But assuming that only a "fat person"
could find beauty in someone and who believes we shouldn't judge by size <or
appearances at all for that matter> is offensive to me.

Of course, I guess I do judge by size to some extent, although I have dated one
or two people who were skinny, I usually don't find them as attractive.

NOTE: I see a distinction between 20-30 lbs overweight, and 150 lbs overweight.
But that's me.
I think the weight obsession in this country is killing poeple. Anorexics and
bullimics are increasing daily, because they are being bombarded witht he
message that they are not skinny enough. PEople wasting away. now THAT is not
healthy. Certainly less healthy than a couple of extra pounds. not to mention
that some peoples bodies are just meant to be different than others. <like mine
being too skinny, but it's how I am meant to be>

Lastly, I am enjoying htis aspect of discussions. I would much rather read
these discussions than those that simply give directions to beaches I can not
afford to travel too.
Tom Stevens <borrowing a freinds account>


> It's so boring reading the same thing from different people everyday.
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Apr9.111453.805@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:
>In article <52746@mimsy.umd.edu> jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski) writes:
>>It seems to me that if body acceptance is the objective, then there is some
>>inherent value attached to it.  It also seems to me that someone who 
>>has ignored their physical appearance and/or health to the point of obesity or 
>>due to excessive vices such as smoking or drinking *too much*, has destroyed 
>>much of the natural beauty of the human body. ...
>
>The only problem here is we come up to the same problem as to who
>decides what is too much... of course, such things as smoking and
>drinking, the lines are pretty clear, but for such things as weight...
>who's to say?  I know some people who are pitifully thin, but eat and
>eat and eat... would they fall into the "undesirable or wrong"
>catagory for you?  What about people with hormonal disorders who can't
>lose excess weight?  And what about those that just don't meet
>whatever criteria is set?  Perhaps their best weight is not what you
>would judge it to be?  Then what?  Who decides?  
---
	Well, I can't help be be reminded by a study that I read about
in "Science News" a few years back.  They checked out pictures of
faces with *babies*, babies that were much too young for socialization
to occur.  They measured their interest level in response to the 
pictures.  Pictures of what we would consider 'beautiful' people were
found to be more interesting than those of 'ugly'.  There apparently
is some basis for *beauty* -- appreciation of form, inborn in us.

	You bring up the idea of 'right vs. wrong'.  Ugly is not wrong,
per se, no more than a rock is *wrong* for not being a flower.  It
is some people assigning the value judgement of wrong.  Few people
argue that a plain rock is not as interesting or beautiful as a
flower.  They are both *natural*, yet people find one more attractive
than the other.  Is that wrong?  By the same token there may
be some people that are found beautiful by a majority of people or
are not found beautiful by a majority.  

	What is beauty?  Oddly enough it may be *average*.  Another study
I read done with college students used plain pictures, 4-pic composites,
16 and 64 pic composites.  The composites were computer blended 
creations of 4, 16 or 64 regular pictures.  The more composite
a photo was, the more likely it was to be picked as beautiful.  So,
the article said, miss america may not be that 'special' -- only
average.


william
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