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From: apm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (anne.pida.mellen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween party ideas wanted
Summary: Some Ideas that we have used successfully
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:45:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <cekmS2K00WAyIOfq5D@andrew.cmu.edu>, mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Hart) writes:
> I told my boys that this year we would have a Halloween party.
> My boys are 4 & 8, and I'm envisioning that each will invite  3-4
> friends, and some of my younger son's friends moms or dads will probably
> end up staying, so I won't be doing this by myself.
> 
> Showing a movie seems like a possibility (though it means borrowing a
> VCR, since I don't have one).  I've also thought of making caramel
> apples.   I haven't come up with anything else that I'm really excited
> about, though, for two sort of diverse age groups.  Any ideas would be
> greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks-
> 
> Mary Hart
Three years ago we had a Halloween theme birthday party for my oldest
daughter (she was eight) and I also had a 1 year old, 4 year old, and
6 year old.

The funnest thing was bobbing for apples. The eight year olds tried
to see who could get the wettest. All my kids had a blast too.
The other thing that seemed really successful was that we created
a haunted house in the basement. The walls were burlap curtains that
I had had from a previous house. The four year old was the witch
stirring in her cauldron. The six year old was in charge of the
bags of "people's body parts", e.g. grapes for eyes, ketchup for blood,
etc.
My husband had a rubber monster hand on and this hand greeted all
the partygoers before they entered the house.
We had eery music playing and had various small ghosts hanging
from the ceiling.
The house was 8 ft. by 8 ft and was divided up into a U shape for
walking.
We took the kids there one by one. Several 8 year olds had to be
coaxed to go in.
Hope this helps.
Anne Mellen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:31:30 GMT

My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.

I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it? Is there 
something significant about rubbing the back that really helps (like 
twirling hair in pre-schoolers)? Or is it just a habit that works for her 
because a carer told her it would 6 or seven years ago? She says other kids 
she know like it to, but I wonder if she told them about it?

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:04:13 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Sep28.174140.19325@linus.mitre.org> kvt@willow.mitre.org  
writes:
> I know many will not be thrilled but the card that I received
> from our local PBS station said that because of the great
> response to the Save the Barney campaign new episodes are
> not being created and with these new episodes and reruns

obviously this should have been "now" not "not"
that will teach me to proof my posts!  

> of the old ones Barney will live through 1998!
> 
> Kathy T.
> 
> In article <1992Sep28.161524.8689@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan  
Yasutovich)  
> writes:
> > 
> > 	What happened to the Barney show?
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	Alan Yasutovich
> > 	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
> > 	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
> > 	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:17:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.143229.21967@col.hp.com> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
>>
>>This process is called "fundal massage" and is intended to keep the
>>fundus (uterus) contracted to prevent excessive bleeding.  The inside
>>of the uterus has a lot of raw surface where the placenta used to be.
>>
>> It was worse after my c-section than after vaginal birth.
>
>  Okay, when this thread started I assumed that since I had a c-section
>  that they didn't do the massage.  I really don't remember anyone
>  doing this to me, maybe I slept through it.  But if it hurts that
>  much I doubt it.  Is there anyone else out there that doesn't
>  remember having this done?

I had a C section, and can not remember this either. I suppose if it was 
done it was while I was still pretty anethesized, and therefore I didnt 
notice. I had my section at 10pm, and it wasnt until about 5am the next
morning that I started to feel much pain at all.

It doesnt look like I missed much ;-)

Laura Floom

>
>  mona
>


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:20:56 GMT

In article <day_kevran-021092121054@130.252.108.211> day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.183608.2668@news.eng.convex.com>, ramon@convex.com
>(Ramon Dominguez) wrote:
>Just Dan ;-).
>
>My sister went to a urologist named Dr. Hurt.      - ouch!


OK, I've got one!  I know of a ob/gyn named Dr. Cherry!  And if don't
believe me, he writes a column for Parents magazine, so check there!

June

-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:28:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

Depending on the area you live in, there may be long waiting lists for
infant daycare.... so you should start checking now! 

Where I live (San Francisco peninsula), if you want to use one of the
daycare centers (as opposed to in-home daycare or nannies) the waiting
lists run one year in advance..... so as soon as you know you're pregnant,
you sign up for daycare if you're not planning on taking a lot of time
off after the birth..... :-)

We got lucky and managed to find an opening in a daycare center one month
earlier than I needed, but we wanted this particular center (had lots of
good recommendations from friends/co-workers) so I took the opening anyway.
I used that "extra" month (when I was still on leave) to gradually get my
daughter used to the daycare environment.  The first week, we went just for
lunchtime (I brought her there, fed her, let her look around for an hour or
so, then took her home).  The second week, we stayed for a few hours (both
of us).  The third week, I took her there, fed her, and left for a couple
of hours, then took her home.  By the fourth week, when I was leaving her
there for 4-5 hours *I* was pretty comfortable with the place too! :-)
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pet Peeve
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:08:30 GMT
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School

Of course, the poor waitress might have been burned numerous times before by
pregnant women to whom she presented the wine list, who then angrily
responded, "Can't you see I'm pregnant?  What kind of idiot do you think I
am?  Do you think I'm so stupid and selfish that I'd endanger my baby's
health by drinking?  Get this thing out of here.  NOW!" and so as a result
has decided just not to bother anymore.  At least she's assuming that you
have a clue.

This from a person whose wife was seriously mulling over the consequences of
drinking communion wine on the baby.
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:21:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: evils of milk?
Keywords: Spock, Milk

In article <36Te02NJ24Bm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar) writes:
>I have always been generally impressed with Dr. Spock but am a bit
>confused with the recent press reports about his stands against drinking
>milk. The newspapers and tv have not given much of scientific basis but
>instead just catchy phrases like "No More Milk and Cookies?"
>I would like to know more about :
>- Potential link to diabetes
>- Risks of drinking calcium  thru milk
>- Risks associated with drinking cow's milk at different age groups

There is a long-standing recommendation against cows milk before age
1, but I assume that this is not the issue at hand here.

I saw one interesting study that attempted to address the question of
how the French get away with such a high-fat diet & still avoid the
levels of heart disease that plague Americans.  A researcher raised
two groups of rats, one on mostly milk and one on mostly cheese (motivated
by the fact that Americans consume much more milk, while the French consume
much more of their fat intake in cheese).  By
analyzing their droppings, he showed that the fat in cheese was absorbed
much less efficiently than was the fat in milk, and as I recall, the
cheese-fed rats were much leaner.  The conclusion, of course, being that
the fat in milk is for some reason especially harmful.  

I must say that Dr. Spock is making me feel better in this case--2 of my
3 kids refuse to drink milk altogether, and the 3rd isn't crazy about it.
(Is this normal?).

Sue
Sue
From: heidia@med.unc.edu (Heidi Aycock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:32:30 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

1) Thanks for the advice.

2) Worry not; I always wear my helmet and so will my son.

3) Now I don't know what to do. Trailers seem to big
for riding in Chapel Hill, a fairly hilly area with no 
lightly traveled roads unless I head into the country
where there are no bike lanes and seeminly no speed
limits. I have been run off the road out there. Imagine
that with a trailer. Do trailers fit in bike lanes?

4) Don't trailers put kids closer to dogs? I'm afraid of
dogs, so this is a big concern for me. If an angry dog starts
after us, won't he get to my son first?
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and Dogs - Parents
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:17:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ticipa.1992Sep30.171710.2008
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1992Sep23.164830.25461@crd.ge.com> kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>In article <22606@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>>
>>I'm posting this because lots of people don't know it:
>>
>>When approaching a dog with an outstretched hand, keep the hand closed
>>in a fist.  If the dog does bite rather than just sniffing, it can't
>>do as much damage to a closed hand as it can to an open hand.
>
>It's been my experience, and the experience of our (dog) trainer
>that presenting the knuckles or the back of the hand to a dog
>invites at least an exploratory nip.  The open palm is much
>better.

Perhaps, but the most important thing (which folks seem to have
a problem doing with an open palm) is to hold your hand *under* the 
dog's nose.  Many dogs feel threated when a hand goes over their
head where they can't see it.  Always start by offering to scratch
under the chin rather than behind the ears first.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:18:31 GMT


Ok folks, its time to take this discussion out of chi.general.  Please
remove chi.general from the newsgroups line before posting.

Mucho Thankso,
    -Ken K
-- 
Ken Konecki
e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!tellab5!sdc!kenk
"I just found out that the brain is like a computer.  If that's true,
then there really aren't any stupid people.  Just people running DOS."
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: University of Victoria
Date:  6 Oct 92 00:12:02 GMT

mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:

>Re "refusing to administer Ritalin":  if you are convinced the child has
>a chemical brain abnormality, why _not_ administer a drug that will
>correct it?  If he were diabetic would you refuse to give him insulin?

We were not convinced that there no other methods to better
maintain the brain chemicals he had or reduce stresses on
his system that would not produce the same results.

>Instead you are depriving him of a couple of years of normal education,
>at least.  That is worse than the side effects of the drug.

Our son is learning very well in the behavior managed environment.
He is challenged academically and has sufficient peers for 
social interaction.
The difference is that we are much more involved in his education
than we are in his 6YO sister's.
I'd like to receive a daily report concerning her progress, but 
I know her teacher doesn't have the time. 

A IDLER

>But you are right that the "open classroom" does not at all suit people
>who need to be trained to have a longer attention span.  Attention span
>can be increased with training, to some extent -- I've done that to
>myself (or graduate school did it to me).
>-- 
>:- Michael A. Covington     internet mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu 
>:- Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0359
>:- The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349
>:- Athens, Georgia 30602 U.S.A.          amateur radio N4TMI
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phvinson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Pauline Homsi Vinson)
Subject: Re: YEA, YEA, YEA Baby #3 Is On The Way!
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:52:43 EDT

In article <1992Sep30.151905.26228@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> baby@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (maureen.paone) writes:

>But anyway what I would like are peoples experiences with
>midwives, or midwives vs doctors. Good and bad. I would like
>to show my husband that it isnt so uncommon, and perhaps
>we could both learn a little bit more about this practice.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Maureen

Since e-mail to your account is bouncing, I'll post my response to the net.

I delivered my daughter (now 2.5 months) with the help of a midwife.
She's a certified nurse midwife (CNM) and she took care of all my 
prenatal care.  Her attitude was great throughout--pregnancy is natural,
and not an illness.  She included my husband in everything and she treated
us with respect, answering our questions fully and respecting our opinions
and experienced judgments.  I attribute all this to her personalily as well
as to her training as a CNM.

I did not deliver at home, but rather at a birth center attached to a
hospital.  We felt that this way we could have a more natural setting
than one a hospital would afford but would be close enough to the
hospital (3-5 minutes from the surgery room) in case of emergency.

My daughter was 8 pounds, 11 ounces at birth. With the help of the
midwife and my husband as well the atmosphere at The Birth Place I
was able to have her without using any drugs.  I did not have an
episiotomy though I did have a few lacerations which healed fairly
quickly.

Congratulations on your pregnancy and good luck with whatever you
decide to do.

Pauline



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: camping with a baby
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:01:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.145334.16397@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:
>
>Minor hint:
>Make sure you use tent stakes with rounded edges on top, no sharp edges, 
>because a toddler is bound to trip on a tree root and scrape her knee
>on a sharp stake.

Or better yet, bring some old tennis balls to slit open and stick on top
of the stakes.  This ought to work really well, unless said toddler
wants to play with the tennis balls (maybe bring a couple extra...).

Michele
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say
Date: 4 Oct 1992 20:23:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     My aunt & uncle brought their 5 kids down for a cookout yesterday,
as it was rather warm, and a couple good lines for this thread emerged:

     The 3 boys were toasting marshmellows, and kept lifting their sticks
as if they were torches.  Their mom admonished them: "Keep the fire in the
fire."

     I tried my hand at Dr. Seuss when Matthew drew me a picture, which now
adorns my dorm room.  It was a guy with a huge body and a pinpint-sized thing
that Matthew said was his head.  He called him Mr. Tall, and I said:
   "And what did you call/Is that Mr. Tall?/
    His head is so small/Are you sure that's all?

     BTW, Matthew is in kindergarten and learning big and small letters, and
I came up with a neat "game" while we took him home today. (Their home is
right between my home and school.)  We could pick a letter, and try to
draw a big letter and "baby letter" with something beginning with that
letter.  So, I came up with an upper case "B" with face, eyes, and all
pitching to a lower case "b" holding a bat, as if it were a parent and
child playing baseball.  Matthew drew an upper and lower case "I" eating
ice-cream cones.  He enjoyed it, and it might be a neat way for kids to
further associate letters with words, if the child enjoys drawing.
     (I was at a loss for works with letters like "V", though, where
all anyone could come up with was 2 "v"s on vacation, out on the beach.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: mariou@astro.astro.ufl.edu (STG colleague)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: addressing of a step-parent
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:46:10 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization

In article <holly.221@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>In article <Buzs0A.EBu@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>
>
>>I think Mrs. _____ is too formal and impersonal. 

If I remember well I did say : "I was brought up in a European
country where we do not address our elders by their first (christian)
names unless we are asked to.  It is a sign of respect that is all.
Having brought up my kids thus i.e. to address  adults
as Dr. so and so or Mrs. so and so or Mr. so and so, I find myself
practicing double standards by allowing a 7 year old to call me
X.  I know my kids find it strange and have told me so.


>> you don't wish to be called "Mom" either.

I do not have any objection to this, but her biological mother
does I am know. 

>> Too bad you have a hang-up 
>>about her using your first name.  

I already answered this, I am not sure it is *bad*.

Different nationalities different customs. I am as happy with
my ways as you are with yours.

>> Keep in mind that your step 
>>child is going to be part of your life for a long time and 
>>someday will be an ADULT.

What that has to do with the price of tea and China?
Must I be on a first name basis with her in order for her
to respect me?

>>Will you be in, or do you wish to be in a position of authority with 
>>her?  IMO its best to let her real parents handle that if at all 
>>possible.  

Not quite that easy.  Yes. When she is visiting us she is abiditing
by my/our rules.  If she does something which I consider out of
place I tell her so. I do things in my house my way.

I am not telling her it is better or worse than theirs.  It 
simply is my way.  When in ROme do as the Romans do
I firmly believe in  that, with some exceptions of course.

My thanks to all those wonderful friends who took the time
to answer my querry here and by e-mail They are too numerous
to mention but my appreciation to all goes.
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New England misc.kids picnic THIS Sunday
Date: 1 Oct 1992 07:28:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


For newcomers, and people who may not have gotten
on the mailing list for the misc.kids gathering.

This is DEFINITELY happening, rain or shine, THIS
Sunday (October 4th) from 11 am to 3 pm.

If you haven't gotten the specifics, and need them,
please email me TODAY (rollo@Xylogics.com) or call
my voice mail at (617) 272-8140 x 370 anytime before
Sunday and I will get back to you.

See you there!

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Birthday Party question - short
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:23:00 GMT

Hi everyone. Recently someone posted an idea about using cupcakes
instead of a big cake to cut up, and I was wondering what you do
in that case about candles? Would that kind person please e-mail
me an answer? Thanks very much!
                                 Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Too Many NO's at Daycare
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:20:30 GMT


When you work and use daycare you have to come to grips with the fact that
they are not you and will do things differently.  I think that the woman has 
the right to keep the noise down to a minimum and if she lets your son bang
on things she has to let them all do it.  One kid is very different from a
bunch of them.  He may not be loud but I bet the 3 yo would be.  As long as
your son is safe and well cared for I think you have a good situation.  Mary
Poppins doesn't exist.  I have a 4.5 yo daughter and if I had all of those
years of daycare, preschools and nannies to redo I think that the biggest 
thing I would do is to concentrate on the good things about the current
situation.  We changed things around a lot and I gave the caregivers too many
instructions and I think that Chelsea would have probably been better off if
she had more stability and I was more relaxed about the whole thing.  Safety
is not the kind of thing to get relaxed about.  I would still get upset if I
thought someone was being mean or letting another kid pound her or if they 
didn't feed her or change her.  There really are big things that can go wrong.
Just be glad you don't have those worries.  At about 10 months a new nanny
tried to feed my daughter a bottle that had been out of the frig for 24 hours.
Luckily Chelsea was smarter than she was and refused it despite being hungry.
It was the end of the day and when I got home and she was crying the nanny said
she seems hungry but I tried to give her this and she wouldn't take it.  I put
2 and 2 together and Chelsea got a fresh one.  :-)  At least you have experienced
hands at the helm and you don't have to worry that she will disappear tomorrow 
with him as I used to do with the transient nanny crowd that seemed to get so
attached to her.

Before I put my soap box down let me quote my favorite line from City Slickers.
"You city folks sure do worry about some silly #$%@"

Just my humble opinion, 

Karen

If Rockwell had opinions on such things it is unknown to me and if I did know
they wouldn't let me tell you about them for free.
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