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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Thanks
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.154101.3863@news2.cis.umn.edu> jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield) writes:
>Hello to all -
>
>My name is Jill, and I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who post
>regularly to this group.  I just discovered you about a month ago, and
>have enjoyed the humor, support, and sharing that goes on here.  I am
>a solitary practitioner, and its really nice to have found a group I
>can participate in.
>
>I'm sure I'll be posting more in the future!
>
>Blessings

Merry meet, and welcome.

Bb,

Corun


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From: n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story.
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:47:51 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

*THAT* was a fantastic story!  Thank you.

Dymen.
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Buckland's books (was Beginners need help)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:22:20 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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However, if one is interested in the *history* of Wicca in recent times in
the USA, Buckland's books are still useful, since he was one of the very
first -- maybe the first -- Gardnerian initiates in this country, just be-
fore Gardner's death.  Since I am interested in that, I value his books from
that angle ...   -- Robert

Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.201058.19168@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>
>I don't believe that the subconscious will, if that is what you can call it,
>would have the power to have any effect on such a short "ritual". Directing
>of conscious intent is bound to be much more effective. After all, if a deity
>is capable of answering an invocation, wouldn't that deity also have the 
>ability to perceive if the person really wantes/needed their presence? If a
>person made a habit of willfully cursing others, then I could see where this
>subconscious call could occur. 

I'll agree that directing conscious intent is usually  bound to be more
effective. But let's look at the concept of "deity" for a minute. If we
go on the premise that the "deity" is merely a focus for the direction of
energy towards some desired end, then you in essence *are* the deity, directing
your higher energies. Now, given that premise, those energies are always
present within you. You make a conscious effort to direct and control them,
sometimes successfully, sometimes not. The conscious attitude is a major
factor. Now if we assume that there is a subconscious mind, or will, over
which we have very little control, we have to imbue it with the same innate
abilities the conscious mind has with respect to controlling those energies.
But since we have no, or little, control, an offhand profanity may be sparked
by that sub level of thought, and there could be sufficient drive behind
that "invocation" (for lack of a better word), that could have serious
repercussions. I'm not saying that it always would, nor am I saying that
one could not consciously train the mind in order to disallow the subconscious
from gaining that kind of control. But the potential is there. The "deity"
would respond. I refer you to the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for.
You might get it."

>Once again, it is a matter of personal perception. 
>
>Bill

Agreed. My 2 cents.

Bb,

Corun
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From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot deck recomendations (was:  Re: Tarot techniques)
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:21:24 GMT
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse

In article <7587@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>
>	I think You'd like the Hansen-Roberts deck by Mary Hansen-Roberts
>(I THINK that's the right spelling of her name).  Very image consious, right
>down to the non-Court Minors.  It's the first deck I've seen that I only
>use the guide book to get a general idea before striking out on my own.

Have you seen the Robin Wood tarot deck yet? Very much the same flavor as
Mary Hanson-Roberts. (And just a brief gloat, I've met both artists, and
they're very charming people!)

Blessed Be,
		-- PeterCat
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Avoid Buckland's Books (Was beginners need help)
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:09:29 GMT
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse

In article <Bv6ysC.67p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>
>I have about thirty books on the Craft on my shelf.  I don't get rid of any
>book on Wicca which I might refer back to at any point in the future.  I got
>rid of all of my books by Raymond "would you buy a used religion from this man"
>Buckland.  (The nickname is a local joke on the fact that he seems a lot like
>a slick used car salesman in many of his books.)  There are very few books on
>the Craft which I will recommend *against*.  This, Buckland's _The Tree_, and 
>the Frosts' _The Witch's Bible_ (which is another story entirely), are the few 
>I do actively discourage people from buying.
>
Thank you for the advice! This is exactly what's so great about the net, and
why it's so valuable even for those who are practicing alone, by choice or
by circumstance, for just such information as this!

Thanks again and Blessed Be,
				-- PeterCat
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:27:16 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <80931@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:
>>Blessings,
>>Janis the Castrating Bitch
>
>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially

Yes, most definitely.  I was saying in my head almost exactly what you
typed as to why... 

>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
>take shit; bitches are women who don't fit into the male order, the
>patriarchal machine; bitches are women who have power.  

I used to have a personal name (the tag line on your email) that said,
"Assertive woman by day, bitch by night."  When people are in your
face, you're strong, assertive, independent, but if you turn around
and walk away, and have at one time or another stepped on their toes,
you're a bitch.  Go figure. 

Yes, I'm a bitch, and proud of it.  You act like shit, and you'll be
treated like shit.   I'm in this life for what I can get for myself
and others I care about and those who deserve it, and if you don't...
well, don't blame *me* for it. 

*grin*

>(Plus which, for a long long time, whenever I've been taken on any
>sort of power-animal visualization, it's always been either a dog or a
>wolf, usually the former.  And she's always female.)
>
>So if someone (usually a man) calls me a bitch, I just look him in the
>eye and say, "Why thank you."  :)
>
>Enough; I have to go tend my pup.  Thanks again, ladies, for sharing
>your stories and making me think about some things.

Good wishes to you and your pup.  =)

amy
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From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Scents
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Ceci (ceci@lysator.liu.se) asks:
>What's "Shakey's"?

Sorry -- it's a too-specific too-local reference.  "Shakey's" is a pizza
chain.  Burning dittany smells like burning oregano -- or scorching pizza
(if pizzas out your way have oregano on them).  Thus the image of
the local coven making the best they can out of a fire at the local
pizza place by turning out en masse to chant and dance around the 
embers, evoking to visible appearance ... a fire marshal?

--LeGrand
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:21:56 GMT

Re: what's everybody else's?

I was born on 3/30/64, about 10:00 am, in Nashville, Tennessee. I've never
had a chart done, but I'd be very interested -- anybody who does this feel
like doing one for practice? :->

Marty

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From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Princess Cards [Was tarot decks]
Date: 3 Oct 1992 16:40:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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T


>From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
>In article <kbennett.717868892@milton>, kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu
>(K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes...
>>Jessica A. Darago <JD3415A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> 
>>>The Crowley Deck,...
>>>It's the only deck I've encountered that has
>>>the Princess cards instead of Pages, and my card is Crowley's
>>>Princess of Cups.
>>The Cosmic Tarot by Norbert Losche has Prince and Princess cards.
>>I'll also mention the "mother/father/daughter/son" breakdown in several of my
>>decks, including the Motherpeace and the Elemental.
>>My favorite deck, the pendragon, uses pages, but they are very clearly
>>young women.
>>Lena
> 
>Look at the Hanson-Roberts deck... the pages look very feminine.
>Tammy

In my deck, the Robin Wood one (I've met her artwork before, and I liked
it- that's why I bought this deck), the pages are female. So are a lot of
the people that she put on the Minor Arcana cards.

(And, I'm sad to report, this is not indicative of any improvement in my
relationship with the telnet editor. It merely means I got a screen capture
of Tammy's article and ran it through an editor in my dos shell, then re-input
it. Sigh.)
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Malvina Reynolds was:  Re: Little Boxes (was: anoth
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 15:30:54 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents

Only marginally tangential to your topic, but have either of you seen
the movie, "Edward Scissorhands"?

Your discussion brought it back to me . . .

Gil

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From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: My crystal exploded!!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:18:06 GMT

erik@cs.uq.oz.au (Erik van Keulen) writes:
> Can anyone tell me if crystals explode... "often"? And how worried i should
> be?

Well, to start with, crystals can be much more fragile than they seem.  A 
quartz crystal, such as amethyst, is full of internal flaws unless it's 
perfectly transparent (this is part of why "cloudy" crystals are much cheaper 
than flawless ones--they are much more common).  A flawed crystal can crack 
for a number of reasons.  The most common is probably thermal stress, 
although a change in humidity might also do it.  Since it cracked while you 
were handling it, I'd guess it was a case of thermal stress: that is to say, 
it warmed unevenly, putting stress on a flaw in the crystal, which finally 
gave way.

Of course, the psychological symbolism may be very potent to you--breaking 
with your past, starting out on a new journey, etc.


Peace,

Amanda Walker
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a novice asks
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:40:37 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <gate.4yFwRB1w164w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP writes:
>Re: Re: A Novice Asks...
>By: lib1p #0 @rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) USEnet      
>
>A personal and highly unofficial FAQ...
>
>1. Find some good books. I recommend starting with Real Magic, by
>P.E.I. Bonewits. It's a pretty good overview of magick and has
>thumbnail sketches of the belief structure of most pagan
>religions. It also has an EXTENSIVE bibligraphy, after reading
>the book, you should be able to figure out from it what you want
>to read next and possibly what pagan religious traditions fit you
>best. It also has contact addresses for pagan groups. Get the
>latest edition! (contact addresses go out of date REAL fast.)

	I dunno if I can agree with this as a FIRST book.  To a total newcomer,
his long discussion of emtymology can be fairly imposing.  This isn't to say
I don't find his ideas interesting, I've read his Real Magic and his
Authentic (Actual? I always forget which) Thaughmaturgy(sp?) (the role playing
game adaptation of Real Magic) is the ONLY RPG magic system I'll use.  I just
think he goes into some things too deep for an absolute beginner.  
	I think that Amber K's "True Magick" is a better place to start.
In general this tiny volume is a much lighter read, also giving thumbnail
sketches of various groups (no addresses that I remember, though).  It also
gives thumbnail sketches of almost everything else Bonewitz covers.  My
recomendation?  Amber K first, Bonewitz second.

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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: cats and magic
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Hmmmm, are cats attracted to places of where magic is worked, or do 
>they just like black velvet capes?  The way that cats' minds work, I'll
>never know!
> 
>Does anyone else have cat stories to share?
> 


I have found with my own cats and with those of other pagans that
cats are indeed attracted to places where magic is worked.  I think
it might be true for all animals, cats are the only ones I have
observed.

BTW,  Just last night I got a new feline friend.  When I moved the
previous time, I had to give up my two cats.  One had an incurrable 
skin disease (that one of his daughters got also) and had to be put to
sleep to prevent too much suffering.  The other I gave to a good 
friend.

Now last weekend I move and guess what....a friend found a kitten
which needed a home.  The timing was just right.  This is a solid\
black kitten.  She has a wonderful disposition.  LARGE ears (shes
going to be big) and LOVES to sleep with people.  Walter and I 
are just in love with her.  

We have named her Nightshade (Shade for short).

Behold Nightshade....the only thing greater than yourself (point
ing up to the starry sky.)

Blessed Be,
Tammy
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From: shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: birth sign
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:37:52 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

In article <1992Oct2.000513.12000@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>My birthday is March 25, 1974. Can someone who is up on astrology tell me
>anything interesting 'bout that? (I'll look up my astrological signs in
>the library.) I'm an Aries--fire sign--which is accurate about half the
>time. The other half I'm definitely Earth and should probably belong to
>Libra or something.

I have seen so many related posts on this today that I am going to
volunteer to do something. Mail me the following info, and I will mail
you back a computer generated chart (courtesy of Astrolog 2.10 from
pullen@lynx.cs.washington.edu). No interpretations, just bare data...

Date, time of day (yes this matters), where in the US (if you weren't
born in the US, then I need the latitude and longitude, and also
whether Daylight savings time was in effect during the time you were
born).

If "where" turns out to be some really small town, give a couple of
larger places as well; my books are good, but not perfect.

It will probably take a few days, and nothing can happen until monday
(the 5th of October), but what the heck, it is bound to prove
interesting...

TTFN, Lynda

-- 
George Bush, the environmentalist: 1000 points of blight.

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From: michael@albert.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:24:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: rob@netcom.com's message of 26 Sep 92 23:31:17 GMT

In article <n4!ps0k.rob@netcom.com> rob@netcom.com (Robert Rogers) writes:
  =In article <Bv2Jo2.1JF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jonesrl2@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Richard Jones) writes:
  =>	I'm new here, and I was wondering if someone could help me out.  
  =>I am planning on buying a tarot deck, but I don't know which one I should
  =>get.  I was thinking of the Rider-Waight (sp?) deck, but then I saw an ad 
  =>for the "Celtic Tarot" deck.  What I want, is one that has actual pictures
  =>on each of the cards, not a deck where all of the minors look pretty much 
  =>the same.  Does any one know if the Celtic Tarot deck is what I am looking
  =>for, and if not, do you have any other suggestions? thanks in advance.
  =>					Richard
   
  =I'm not a huge fan of Crowley, but I think his deck is a work of art.
  =By far the "deepest" artwork and symbolism. Every card is a piece of work
  =all by itself.
  =I'm not sure about the "official" name, but it's printed by U.S. games
  =(aren't they all?)
  =Robert Rogers  --  Boulder Creek CA, USA, Earth, Sol system, Milky Way
  ==    Internet: rob@netcom.com or uunet!netcom.com!rob@uunet.UU.NET

Most popularly known as the Crowley deck, it's also called the Book of
Thoth, or the Thoth deck. On the box of mine, it says "Aleister
Crowley Thoth Deck". I guess that's about as official as it's going 
to get.

Years ago when I was looking for a deck to work with, I found myself
immediately turned off by the Rider-Waite deck- it didn't work for me.
I started with the Sacred Rose deck- the art was more to my liking,
but still had trouble with some of the renditions of the Major Arcana.
Eventually I started using the Crowley deck. I still prefer many of
the Sarced Rose deck's renditions of the Minor Arcana, but I feel
more comfortable over-all with the Crowley deck.

Richard:
A word of advice: when you do go about to choose a deck, many stores
(at least, those worth buying from) have "sampler" albums in which
some representative cards from each deck are placed. It's usually
enough to give you a feel for each deck, and makes choosing easier.
If the deck you buy doesn't seem to feel right for you after a while,
don't be afraid to buy another one (funds permitting, of course). It
can take a while. Additionally, your needs and what you consider
important in a deck could change once you are more experienced in its
use.

Hoping to be helpful,
Chaplin.
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From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: Food Blessings
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:28:01 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:
: 
: My question for y'all: what do you say/sing/do for your food blessing?  Do
: you do this at every meal?  What about snacks? *grin*<<

Sorry, I did not finish my reply my kids came in and bumped with keys.

As I was saying: 

Eshin-Fun wrote this in one of his/her article on the Lucumi some posts ago.

I hope that Eshin, inspite of his/her terrible outbursts from time to time
come back on those articles again.

Bes

Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Witchcraft & Hallucinogens
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Keywords: atropine belladonna datura witchcraft
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 07:01:30 GMT


 Somone mentioned aconite in reelation to being used like Datura. Aconite
has no value as an hallucinogen and is very toxic. Don't use it at all. I
don't think it would be necessary in any ritual involving hallucinatory
events. Now maybe for a sacrifice...

St. Anthony

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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: HALLOW'EEN
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:13:43 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <2ACD2EFF.12780@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu writes:

 >  
 > Is this where we get our legends about werewolves?  You know what I mean
 > -- anyone killed by a werewolf is doomed to walk the Earth in an
 > "undead" sort of state, and anyone savaged by a werewolf is doomed to
 > become one, just like them?  

My earlier reading suggested that werewolf stories are fairly recent;
the characteristics of the beast date right back into ancient times
and are associated with the notion of boundaries.

Perhaps less with boundaries as such, on reflection, but on the
liminal space between the bounds of one world and another. This space
is by definition ambiguous, contridictory and quite dangerous anyway,
and for this reason is invoked during ritual.

 > Does the "killing" of a Yimparriparri allow its voctims to rest finally?
 > This is another characteristic of a werewolf.
 >

That one can't be killed . . .

 > Blessings,
 > Janis  

To you,

Gil

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