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From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: CTA color coding (was Re: Chicago Rapid Transit reference.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:48:55 GMT

John D. Rogers <rogers@athens.uchicago.edu> wrote:

>I assume that after this process is completed, they'll still use the
>class lights (is that the correct term?) on the front of the train to
>indicate that it's an A-train (yellow) or a B-train (green).

I replied:

>I presume the classification light scheme will remain, perhaps with changes,
>as it's used by tower operators to determine trains' proper routing.  Trains
>are automatically at some locations on the CTA system, but several others are
                  ^ routed
>manually operated.

Automatic routing is done at the Loomis Ave. junction of the Congress and
Douglas branches and at the 51st St. junction of the Englewood and Jackson
branches.

For those interested in CTA operations trivia, I have a list of front and
rear marker light codes used in 1974.  They may have changed since.

Front marker lights:

	W W	extras and lay-ups (all branches)
	Y Y	Howard-Englewood ``A'' and all-stop trains
	G G	Howard-Jackson ``B'' and all-stop trains
	G R	Ravenswood ``A'' and all-stop trains
	R G	Ravenswood ``B'' and all-stop trains
	R R	Ravenswood and Loop shuttles
	Y R	    "       "   "      "
	R R	Evanston Express
	W W	   "        "
	R R	Evanston shuttle
	Y R	   "        "
	R R	Skokie Swift
	Y Y	  "      "
	Y Y	Lake-Dan Ryan ``A'' and all-stop trains
	G G	Lake-Dan Ryan ``B'' and all-stop trains
	Y Y	Congress-Milwaukee ``A'' and all-stop trains
	G G	Congress-Milwaukee ``B'' and all-stop trains

Tail lights:

	R R	all branches except Skokie Swift
	R R	Skokie Swift
	Y Y	  "      "
-- 
Jon Roma
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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: garbage trains, money trains, and other novelties for out 
 of towners.
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:48:46 GMT
 <1992Oct2.040229.23632@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Oct2.040229.23632@news.columbia.edu>
brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:

> >garbage . . . then is picked up in the middle of the night
> >by what are referred to collectively as "work trains". 
> 
> If our readers are trying to picture them-- they're flat cars,
> basically, but have railings dividing them into sections and around
> the outside.  They carry large containers.  The garbage bags from the
> platform garbage cans are just dumped into the containers on the
> train.  It goes pretty fast and takes less time than it would to bring
> the bags to street level.  Anticipating the next question, no I don't
> know precisely where they dump, but all that's needed in the homebase
> trainyard is a platform between the train's storage track and a road
> where a dump or garbage truck could go.  I wonder whether a couple of
> yards (207th St and Lenox Ave yards) have transfer directly to barges?


About ten years go while touring the network I seem to remember the end
of the "L" route at Carnarsie having a garbage train terminal.  Whether
it still is there or not, doubtless it was not the only such facility.

Todd Minsk, ferro-bibliographer
From: dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Denise Pullen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Train GIF apology
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:26:36 GMT
Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I apologize for my recent file posts at wuarchive in the ditns series.
It was brought to my attention that these files were duplicates of
earlier posts under different names. Sorry for any inconvience.

-D-
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From: johnh@genghis.borland.com (John Haskey)
Subject: Photo Posted (was Can you tell me what...)
Originator: johnh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:04:16 GMT

Hi folks,

	The film came back from the lab so I've posted a scan of a picture
of the strange car that I described in an earlier message.  If you are GIF
capable, check out DODX.GIF in alt.binaries.pictures.misc.  Sorry about
the non-railroad objects in the foreground.

								---john.
-- 
---------
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From: andradee@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Several Questions
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:57:01 GMT


	Ok, I have a few questions that I would like to ask. First, are the
.gif's (espicially from Waurcive), encoded in some way. I think I remember 
hearing something about that a little while ago, and was wondering if this 
might be the problem when I try to look at some I have down loaded. I suspect
this because the viewer I use (Trident) came with three pictures that I have no
problem viewing. If these are encoded, how do you un-encode them.
	Also, does anyone know were the Lowell National Historic Parks puts
there trolley at night? You never see it before a certain time, and I have
followed the entire lenght of the tracks trying to see were they may store it,
but have not seen anything.
	Thanks in advance for any answers you can give.

	Ed Andrade
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: something about tunnels
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:54:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.122919.7464@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
 
>        I would add a third class, essentially unknown in the USA, more common
>        in Europe, called "rolling motorway":  Cars, trucks, etc are driven on
>        "end loading" style, with driver & passengers remaining in the vehicle.
>
>        At the other end, drive off.  This is one mode of Chunnel operation, tho
>        drivers/passengers will be able (required?) to leave the vehicle.  This
>        sort of operation is in place NOW on the Alpine routes, for transit
>        traffic.  Both of trucks and passenger cars are handled.
>
Like the shuttle between Portage and Whittier, Alaska.  Also, a few
Canadian Railroads handle automobiles in this or similar fashion.  I am
thinking of the Ontario Northland to Moosonee (the passengers here I am
sure do NOT stay in their car, and the QNS&L "Esker shuttle" (I think the
passengers do stay in their car here (or at least may), but that has just
a couple of months ago been rendered redundant by the opening of the
Cross-Labrador highway.  They still carry automobiles into Schefferville, but
I'm sure that the passengers here ride in the coaches.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NYC color-coding, again
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:40:15 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <5214@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>	As for the 2 Av subway (R.I.P.), as the TA assigned the next
>	letters in sequence to the ex-BMT lines, who knows?  BTW, how
>	was this line to connect with the rest of the IND system?
>
>I thought it would connect to the F at 2nd Avenue?

It connects at 63d St/2d Ave in the NW and SE quadrants... oh,
sometimes an ascii graphic is worth it...

                       uptown & the Bronx
                               |
                              /|
         Broadway -----------/ |
63d St   6th Ave  ------------ | ------------  Queens
                               | /
                               |/
                               |
                            downtown
                             2d Ave


Got it?  The 63d St tunnel is all built, including tunnels curving off
toward Second Ave at the two places shown.

The Broadway express (now the N) therefore continues to upper 2d Ave,
while the Queens tunnel could have two services, one to 6th Ave (the
current Q) and one to lower 2d Ave.  I think this calls for two new
marker letters at least, i.e. 2d Ave--Bronx and 2d Ave--Queens.  This
is the 1968 version of the 2d Ave line with 2 tracks and a limited
number of Manhattan stations.  

(The Bronx line would turn east along approximately the NE Corridor
route, and connect to two existing branch lines, the Pelham Bay line
north of Hunts Point Ave and to the Dyre Ave line via the old NYWB
viaduct.)

NYCTA plans kindly supplied me by Danny O'Bedlam indicate that the
Grand St station on Chrystie St would have a cross-platform transfer
to the 2d Ave line, the new 2d Ave tracks being on either side of the
present station.  I don't know about planned track connections in that
complicated area, but expect there would at least be service connections.

--Joe Brennan
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NYC color-coding, again (was Re: Chicago Rapid Transit reference.)
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 13:25:38 EDT
 nn.edu> <1992Sep30.172044.9268@news.columbia.edu><1992Sep30.222651.27415@panix.com> <lcm6eiINNj9s@news.bbn.com>
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

In article <lcm6eiINNj9s@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep30.222651.27415@panix.com>, dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
>writes:
>|> As I said to Joe in email Ive seen the "X" desig-
>|> nator on a number of non-revenue service NYCTA trains.  Maint-of-Way,
>|> money collection, and garbage.
>
>Garbage trains on the NY subways?  Tell us more!

Cool things considering, but they empty the platform garbage cans which
are sometimes as big as the small dumpsters.  Garbage from the mezzanine
is sometimes taken to the platform and left there in large bags.

The revenue trains are fun too, there's usually a contingent of transit
police armed with pump action shotguns who form a small gauntlet for
the guy who runs to the token booth and gets the recipts for the day.
The Token booth attendent plays little to no part in this maneuver
as the safe opens up to the outside of the booth.  Quickly returning
to the armored car and off to the next station.

>Ron Newman              rnewman@bbn.com

Robert
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: VIA service improvements
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:14:19 GMT
Organization: McGill University

A story in today's (Sept. 29) Montreal Gazette reports that VIA's
fastest Montreal-Toronto trains (# 166, 167) will have their
travel time cut from 4 h 10 min to 3 h 59 min with the fall
timetable change.  This will equal the fastest-ever Montreal-
Toronto service, provided by United Aircraft Turbotrains operated
by CN in the 1970s.

The same story also reports that Montreal-Quebec City service
frequency will be increased from 3/day to 4/day, with faster
running times.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: garbage trains, money trains, and other novelties for out 
 of towners.
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:52:59 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <BvGGHJ.7o3@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE) writes:

> Some of these work trains are, of course, just used for maintenance of way,
> supply delivery and other real "work" functions.  
> 
> I'm sure if i think about it harder, i can come up with more aspects of the
> system that are genuinely peculiar, but are banalities to most natives.  
> While some of them slip my mind just now, i too, am still a fascinated native.

What about the tunnel washing and vacuuming trains?

Todd Minsk, ferro-bibliographer
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From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: Re: NYC color-coding, again (was Re: Chicago Rapid Transit reference.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:29:46 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <lcm6eiINNj9s@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Garbage trains on the NY subways?  Tell us more!

	There are several regularly 'scheduled' garbage collection
trains or scows that run through the NYCTA system, mostly during the
late night hours.  There is ONE money collection train, shorter and
with armed guards.  The garbage and money trains are made of OLD IRT
cars that are modified and painted YELLOW.  I think none of these are
running under self-propulsion, they are usually pulled by a diesel engine.

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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: NYC: Grand Concourse-Jerome Ave. track connection
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.054802.11500@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny
O'Bedlam) writes:

>Joe, since you seem to know every INCH of the Bronx IND so well, could you
>tell me if there is any freight or non-electrified rail lines in the Bronx
>or northern environs that connects to the system?

There was a plan to construct a connecting track from the Pelham Bay
yard in the east Bronx (this would be on the 6 train's line near
Middletown Road) to the Amtrak Hell Gate line, which is adjacent, for
materials shipments.  Pelham Bay yard stores engines and
maintenance-of-way equipment.  Demonstrating that I don't know every
inch, I do not know whether this connection has been built.

The old connection via the New York Westchester and Boston line has
been closed for some time.  I think.

Connections I know are in use are in Brooklyn: from the N Y Cross
Harbor via the South Brooklyn to the subway near 9th Ave station
(B train line), and from the LIRR Bay Ridge line to the Linden Yard
(located west of New Lots station, L train line, and connecting to
both the L train line and the 3 line nearby).

>I dont know if I ever
>described this, so briefly, I spied a number of then brand new R68A cars
>on a track while riding Metro North, along what was clearly NOT a NYCTA
>rightofway.  The destination signs indicated that this was a "D" train
>and that the dest was "SOUTH TERMINAL".

Yonkers?  Part of the old Otis plant, adjacent to the Hudson line, is
used by a carbuilder, I forget which, to assemble or rebuild cars.
They even have a test track with both third rail and catenary that
runs adjacent to the Hudson Line.  Subway cars have been there.

"South Terminal" is a mystery to me.

--Joe Brennan
From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: locomotive cables
Date: 5 Oct 1992 21:50:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) says:

>The rest of what you are talking about are AIR HOSES.  The big hose
>under the coupler is the main train line for the train air brakes.
>Trains actually have two brake systems -- one for the train, the
>other for the engines.  The air brakes on the engines are normally
>not used, except in emergencies and when a set of engines is 
>operating light (without any cars).  This cuts down on the wear on
>both the engine wheels and brakes.

  I had heard that the engine brakes are also the only ones used during 
switching operations like kicking, but I could be wrong.   

  On the subject of braking, I had been wondering how an engineer handles the
slack-action in a train when he reaches the summit of a hill.  If the train
was "strung-out" on the way up, all that slack would run in on the way down,
to the accompaniment of a mighty roar and probably some flattened wheels on 
the locomotives.  How to they get around this?

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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: something about tunnels
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:09:08 GMT

In article <9209282022.AA19509@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>,
BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes, in part:

>Later the newspaper reported that the
>Transalpine tunnels won at the polls.  The big question remains on
>what the current Gotthard and Lotschberg rail lines will do after the
>straight through line goes into service.

	Interesting question Railway Gazette has been following this.  They
	were more explicit with regard to the Austrian situation (base tunnels
	will no supercede the existing ones.  There is traffic enough for both.)
	
	The implication, at least as i read it, was that the same would be
	true in Switzerland.  The traffic for the base tunnels would be
	"rolling motorway" tofc/cofc.  The Swiss have been refusing to allow
	massive amounts of this to transit, by tuck, insisting it go by rail.
	The rail paths thru the existing tunnels are very nearly saturated.

	With anticipated growth of rail traffic, both in its own right and by
	truck traffic, all the tunnels will be needed.

thanks
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Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
146 Main St			|I am the NRA.
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Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 11:01:46 -0400 
From: Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Train GIF uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu

I have made the following files available for anonymous ftp
on wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4). All are 256 color
640x480 resolution images of a variety of north american railroads
including Conrail, CSX, Chessie, Jersey Central, CP Rail and
others.


"/graphics/trains/diesel" is current directory.

-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     61472 Oct  2 09:41 ditns14.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     76069 Oct  2 09:41 ditns15.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     60876 Oct  2 09:41 ditns18.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     57758 Oct  2 09:41 ditns22.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     65957 Oct  2 09:41 ditns41.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     55270 Oct  2 09:41 ditns42.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     47629 Oct  2 09:42 ditns45.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     64420 Oct  2 09:42 ditns65.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     47559 Oct  2 09:42 ditns70.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     65507 Oct  2 09:42 ditns72.jpg
-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     80188 Oct  2 09:42 ditns74.jpg
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-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     64728 Oct  2 09:42 ditns9.jpg


"/graphics/trains/steam" is current directory.

-rw-r--r--   1 pullen   archive     63012 Oct  2 09:40 ditns61.jpg
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From: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Subject:  Re: Three-phase electrification (was something about tunnels
Originator: dewi@bcrks78
Reply-To: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:01:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.143137.4830@ee.ryerson.ca> you write:
> All these questions regarding three phase electrification and how
> does one get three phase power to the train.
>
> Has anyone ever seen a system (using a pantograph, not a trolley pole!!)
> where there was more than one wire???
>
(lines deletesd
>
> Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
> Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.

Yes, I did see such a system, and used it, some years ago in Switzerland.
I even have photos to prove it: they show a sort of double bow collector,
(not pantographs) in which both halves go up and down together. I don't
remember how the wiring was arranged at crossings and switches, and my
photos don't show it.

Prior to 1914 (WWI) the firm of Ganz and co in Buda (now part of Budapest)
provided 3-ph electrification to some mountainous parts of the Austro-
Hungarian empire. The speed control was curious. There were two running
speeds, achieved by pole-switching. The induction motors had wound rotors, 
with connection being made by slip-rings to liquid(!) resistors. To cut out
resistance during acceleration, electrolyte flowed into a tank by gravity,
until the whole electrode was "under water". Then the power was cut off,
and the fluid was forced out again by compressed air. Then poles were
switched, current re-applied, and fluid flowed in again.
It must have taken several minutes to do this "gear shifting"!

I presume the Swiss 3-ph lines were electrified by Brown-Boveri or some other
Swiss company.

......Dewi
From: yhshowie@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard Wharton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Buffalo & Pittsburgh RR Trip
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:39:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  The Western New York Railway Historical Society will be conducting an
excursion trip over the Buffalo & Pittsburgh (ex-BR&P,B&O,CSX) from
Orchard Park ,NY to Ellicottville, NY. The line goes by Rich Stadium,
home of the Buffalo Bills.One 80 mile round trip will operate on
November 7th & 8th, 1992. This is the first public excursion over the line
in over 40 years.
  The train leaves at 10AM from the society's ex-B&O Orchard Park station
located at 395 South Lincoln .
  The train will pass Kissing Bridge Ski Resort passing over the Cascade Viaduct joing th
and joing the former B&O line to Rochester at Ashford Jct. The train will arrive
in Ellicottville at 12N and leaving at 4PM with arrival at Orchard Park at
6PM.
  Fare is $39 for coach and $80 for premium. If interested, contact the
WNYRHS,INC. at PO Box 502, Tonawanda,NY 14151-0502.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,ba.transportation
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: SP Coast Line (San Jose-LA) may be sold
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Summary: BR IC125 trains are diesel-powered
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.203725.11154@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
 ... [other discussion of California trains deleted] ...

> 	I saw a news story about this proposed train that it could run
> in only 5 hours using tilt-train technology (like the Swedish X-2000)
> running at a top speed of 125 mph. However, the X-2000 and most other
> high-speed trains run on electricity, requiring the electrification of
> the line.

Actually, British Rail runs its IC125 trains -- which normally
operate at top speeds of 125 mph with diesel power.  The trains
have a streamlined single-ended diesel at each end -- with one 
always pulling and the other pushing.

-- Ernest
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