HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu (Matthew E. Merkelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese women today
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:32:19 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

> In article 18973@news.acns.nwu.edu, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> > Here is a piece of news from CND:
> > 
> > [Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died
> > in the street, after tangling with one of the city's dreaded woman bus
> > conductors.   His nightmare began inside the bus when the ticketpuncher
> > snarled an insult about the shape of his backside.   She swore at him,
> > slapped his face and broke his glasses, made a grab for his testicles, then
> > stood back and aimed a vicious kick at his private parts.  As he scrambled
> > out of a window, the driver -also a woman- slammed her foot on the
> > accelerator pedal and sent him flying. (From: Di Bi Cao)
> > 

First let me say that I honestly doubt this story. It sounds way too 
apocryphal to me. The passenger is named but neither woman is. If
the circumstances were as written, the driver would be charged
with negligent homicide at least.

No, I assume this is one of those urban myths, meant to scare people about how
the terrible world has changed so. This particular is to scare them about 
how woman out in the world have gone mad with masculinity, lust and 
vulgarity. To get them wishing for the good old days when women were
meek, servile, passive.

In a sense, the original post could be seen as a subtle attack on all
the women who read this group. Many have high positions in academia,
and in many of those situations, their position is above men. How
unfeminine (and emasculating).

Women who achieve have not given up their femininity, no matter what
the myth-makers say. For men and women, the full realization of self
is the highest achievement. Many men, threatened by womens success 
in their fields will attempt to cut women down by questioning their
femininity. I hope women in general and the readers of this groups
in particular will not let this work.

P.S. The original post followed with the question of whether todays
women are as attractive as the ones of 40 years ago were. I briefly 
replied yes earlier. I'll reiterate. Yes, don't you.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23131 soc.culture.japan:6775 soc.culture.hongkong:9845 soc.culture.taiwan:11964
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Response to the open letter to the Emperor of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:20:02 GMT
	<1992Aug17.113517.9967@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<SMITTIE.92Aug17102932@lark.csulb.edu>
	<1992Aug17.181324.7532@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<SMITTIE.92Aug17120018@lark.csulb.edu>
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In my last post I typed:
>I have implied that the Japanese were justified nor did I imply that they were
>not.
This should read:
I have NOT implied that the Japanese were justified nor did I imply that they
were not.


Sorry for the over sight.

smittie

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smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: reading chinese on mainframe computer
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:30:45 GMT

Dear netters:
I have completed a new version of Chinese reader for mainframe computer
mainly vax/vms system (unix is available upon request). It is an 
expansion fot news240, news320 (for DEC terminal vt240, and vt320),
the new version is a very compacted software, it works on vt100, vt220, 
vt320, vt240, ...., and can display on ASCII terminal as well as fancy 
terminals (workstations), it works both for GB and BIG5 files, and also
enable you to print out on none PS laser printer. (let's say LN03 laser
printer)

The software is available by ftp from ahkcus.org in src/vms. 
Good luck and enjoy!

Zhigang Xi, from Brandeis Univ.
From: xiao@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU (XIAO YANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:40:30 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

>In article <etxmow.714043998@garboc34> etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
>
>This disaster was caused by CCP crazy "Big Leap" movement which brought
>about man-made famine.  In order to keep them in power, CCP tried every
>method to make sure PLA immuned from the famine and let city people suffered
>to a point that they might complain but they would not rebel.  So CCP
>took everything away from farmers, literally everything, in some cases
>last grain was taken away.  So many farmers were forced to starve to death.
>In some area unfortunately cannibalism occured.

Even PLA suffered a lot during that period. My parents served in the
military then, they plus my older brother were rationed only three
liang3(150 grams) vegetable oil each month and once when they boughT 
the oil from shop, they didn't noticed that there was a small
crack on the bottom of the bottle and the oil for a whole family
for one month was leaked away on the way homE.
After nearly thirty years, my parents
still talk about this whenever that period is mentioned. I can image
how important that 150 grams oil was then. 


>
>This was most serious crime CCP committed to Chinese people, in my opinion.
>Frankly, as a Chinese myself, I really don't understand why those farmer
>didn't rebel, because they really had nothing to lose.  I always think
>this is most ugly side of Chinese people, that is too submissive to the
>authority.

The consequence of rebel at that time would only cause more severe
and longer starvation. The reason is very simple, there was no too much
extra food in goverment's hand. I am not finding excuse for CG now.
If you have read the story about how lao Mao's daughter suffered from
starving in school, you will understand the situation at that time.  

>However, I think this sort of thing has little to do with culture, instead
>it has a lot to do with ugly side of human nature.  It occured in all kinds
>of cultures.  For example, in Jewish gettoes at Third Reich time,  or in
>Leningrad under Nazi German siege, cannibalism occured too because of extreme
>lack of food.  I never think it has anything to do with Jewish Culture or
>Russia Culture, thoug Nazi propaganda would say otherwise.

I am not sure if cannibalism occurred. Howeverr, if there was
it should not be in a large scale or at least not openly. My grandma
saw people would rather die by eating guan1(look) Ying1(sound) Tu3(soil)(a kind 
of white clay in Sichuan) instead of cannibalizing(sp??) when they
 couldn't withstand the starving.
From: fsbrn12@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Andrew Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Parents
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:01:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <CMM.0.90.2.713575531.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu>, 
jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes...
> 
>What?????  We raise kids because we love them, not because we
>want them to pay us back later on.
> 

I'm not sure whom you are representing when you say "we". Have you ever
heard of the old saying: "Yang3 er2 fang2 lao3"? Clearly, according to
the Chinese tradition, "we" raise kids not only because "we" love them,
but also because "we" want somebody to take care of us when "we" are old.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Why should we demand the "Japs" say SORRY to China?
    <10390021@iftccu.boeing.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:11:54 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee) writes:


>   In this respect, I am afraid that you Chinese have to learn from our
>American people: take the noble mission onto your own shoulders! If your
>government doesn't give a damn to your miseries and loss, you yourselves
>have to take actions: organize lobbying campaign to demand Japan to denounce
>her war crimes, appeal to international community for support, demonstrate
>your protest every day to Japanese embassies, companies, plants... everywhere
>in the world, write letters to every newspapers in the world, talk to every
>body you meet, appear in TV whereever and whenever you can to talk about
>Japanese war crimes in China... in short, MAKE JAPAN LOOK LIKE CRIMINAL
>in every corner of the world, and SHE IS, until she admit her crimes and
>apologize to the victim people.
>   If YOU CHINESE don't take action, NOBODY does!

I should say these are really good suggestions. But the reason why you can say
these is because you are an AMERICAN. You know what this means. If you don't
help, NOBODY does. Remember the name Kuwait.

>  Only when Japan throws herselves onto her knees in front of the mass grave
>of their victims and offer an apology, might the victims' souls rest in peace.

There are so many souls unrest in China, I don't know who can make them rest
in peace.

>If Japanese kill Chinese, shame on Japanese.
>If Chinese don't make Japanese pay for their crime, shame on Chinese.

In my opinion, nothing is enough to pay the lost of what you really loved.
Before chinese can get their glorious history back, there cannot be no shame
on chinese.
From: yizhang@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Yi Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help wanted from Indiana University
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:17:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


	A newcomer from China is going to arrive in Indianapolis on Aug 19.
He is going to attend Physics Dept at Indiana University. Please show your
hospitality if you can give him a hand. His name is Huang Zhi Guo. Flight
NW1192, arrival 9:45pm. He needs a ride to IU and some good advice to survive.
Please respond to this address. Thanks in advance.

		Yi	Zhang
From: cangyuan@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Dare to Hate
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:10:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Aug21.151042.1

> Finally you will hate yourself like most of people soaked with hatred. They  
> either got killed or killed themselves.
> 
> Carl

If you really believe in something, don't be afraid of being killed.
Also, don't kill yourself.

Cang Yuan
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ NR-4006: Family Reunion Program
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:06:31 GMT


**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4006       August 19, 1992
            UPDATE ON IFCSS FAMILY REUNION PROGRAM
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

            Update on IFCSS Family Reunion Program
            ======================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

    In the past two years, the IFCSS Government Affairs
Committee has successfully offered a Family Reunion
program which has helped hundreds of Chinese students
and scholars to obtain visas for their spouses and
children. This program not only provided needed service
to our fellow students and scholars, but also enhanced
the reputation and influence of IFCSS.

    The IFCSS HQ has decided to continue this program.
Because the person in charge of this program is going
to move to the West, the HQ will handle the cases from
now on. Any inquiries, applications, replies or messages
should be sent to the HQ. 

    The Family Reunion program does not cover parents.
Since the HQ has received a lot of cases in which parents
have been rejected by U.S. Consuls, the HQ will contact
relevant agencies and persons to see if we can make it
easier for parents to visit the United States.

    The IFCSS HQ wish to thank all those who have 
contributed to this program, especially Dr. Huang Yuangeng,
formal Chairman of the Government Affairs Committee and  
the founder of this program. Dr. Huang Liuqing, also
a formal chairman of the Committee, has also played a vital
role in the development of the program. Ms. Qing Xiaomian
and Ms. Xu Xiaoman have been the program officers (unpayed
volunteers) in the past two years. Their dedication to the 
causes of IFCSS, their help to our fellow students
and scholars, and their unselfish spirit shall be
remembered by all of us. Ms. Laura F. Reiff, Attorney
in Arent & Fox (a law firm), has also helped to make 
this program a successful one.

   We thank all those who have helped this program in
the past but their names are not shown here. We will carry
on the tradition and develop more programs to serve the CSS
community.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: parental protection
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:53:25 GMT

fsbrn12@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Andrew Hsu) writes:

>Recent discussions about taking care of aging parents reminded me of another
>phenomenon in China: that of being taken care of by parents.

>In the US, most young people move out when they go to college, and from that
>point on they are considered more or less 
>independent, financially or otherwise. In China,
>to my outdated knowledge, many young people stay with their parents long
>after they are grownups, not to take care of their parents, but to be
>taken care of and be protected by their parents.

>Not only that they live with or nearby their parents, they also work in
>the same organization where their parents work or worked. A well known 
>example would be Mr. Li Peng, who joint the family business of 'premiering'
>the country. However, Mr. Li is certainly not alone in that respect. 
>Most of the people I went to school with stayed within twenty miles
>from where we grew up, and the majority of them joined organizations where
>their parents worked. This phenomenon gives 
>many organizations in China the flavor of family owned business.

>It seems to me that, influenced by our sacred tradition, many Chinese
>parents are overly protective of their children, which resulted in a
>society that is having a hard time to grow up.

This phenomenon is not only seen in Main China, but also in Taiwan, Korea,
and Japan. Did you see those societies had a hard time to grow up? You
think they should be westernized so that kids can do whatever they want,
such as sex, drug, steal, murder, etc? I am not quite sure what is your
point. It is not that an easy job when you come to talk about a culture.
Confucius are even older than Jesus. Look at what is going on in the States:
the new generation is really in serious trouble. Do you think China also
needs such a "grow up"? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa,soc
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:53:52 GMT

echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:

(stuff deleted)
>	Why the bill did forgive some "brief, innocent" trip to China is
>however beyond me.  What is the big deal with the number 90 anyway?


  Maybe those Congressmen/women think that if China can keep its policy
  unchanged for 90 days, then it'll be safe forever.  :-)
From: zhou@ifi.unizh.ch (Hongbo Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help! Fax No. of EE Grad. Office, Uni. of Penn, Philadelphia
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:58:40 GMT
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science

Hi, there,

I need urgently the Fax number for the graduate office of the EE dept.,
Uni. of Pennsilvania, Philadelphia.

Your kind soul, please help! 

Thanks a lot in advance.
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: REPOST: CHINESE MUSIC RADIO PROGRAM at US UNIVERSITIES
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:14:47 GMT

Hello!!

Does anyone have experience in running a chinese-music program in
school radio-station?  Here in Rochester (NY, USA), there is a small
group of people who would like to start such a program.  Since we are
not experienced at all.  Your input/experience/advice WILL BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED!

Thanks a lot,
Baldwin Ng
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu) - UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER, Institute of Optics
From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Worthless Jap's Apology
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:35:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecl.1992Aug16.153547.4789
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <Bt22MM.Co7@world.std.com>, ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
> In article <9208152326.AA12774@nero.wustl.edu> dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU writes:
>>----- .............
>>* Japs is my favorite word refering Japanese whenever I talk to my
>>countryfellows.  So if you are a Japanese and dislike this word,
>>it is your fault to peep this newsgroup. (In case you are happy 
>>with this word, then both of us are happy.  How wonderful this
>>world would be?) If you are a Chinese and dislike this word, then
>>I couldn't care less.
>>
>>--------------------
>>
>>T.T.Wu
>>
> 
> In this world a real man does not feel compelled to resort to
> semi-slurs such as "Jap" and then thumb his nose at people who might
> feel offended.
> 
> Just state your points and have respect for other people who might be
> reading this newsgroup.  What a wonderful world this would be.
> 
> T. Traub

  For me, I neither hate the word "Japs" nor do I abuse that word. I do
classifications and will call people accordingly. For those Japs who had done
so many unfigiveable crimes against China and other countries, and for those
Japs who are attempting to deny those crimes, I call them "Japs". For those
Japanese who sincerely feel regretable for what Japan had done in the history
and making some effects avoid that happen again, I won't call them "Japs" and
they will have my best respects. There are both "Japs" and Japanese in Japan
now and I really don't know which is the majority.
  For Chinese, I also do classifications. For those who abuse the use of "Japs"
I think they are stupid. For those use the word "Japs" only at some situations,
they have my respects, too. For those who are very sensitive whenever they 
heard the word "Japs" and jumps up to attack whoever said "Japs", I call they
dogs of "Japs".
From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China and Japan in GNPs
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:00:49 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <713789277.18872@minster.york.ac.uk>, yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> According to the China Quarterly (1990), the comparision of the GNPs 
> between China and Japan are as follows.
> 
> 1. in 1960, GNP of China = GNP of Japan 
> 
> 2. in 1980, GNP of China = 1/4 GNP of Japan
> 
> 3. in 1984, GNP of China = 1/5 GNP of Japan
> 
> 4. in 1986(?), the GNP per capita of China was US$300 and the GNP per
> capita of Japan was over US$20,000, whereas the GNP per capita of Taiwan
> was over US$5,000.

  There is discrepancy between 3. and 4. China's population is about six
times of Japan's. According to the figure provided by (4), China's GNP is
only  1/11 of Japan's GNP in 1986. How could China drop so much from 1984
to 1986? 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:55:34 GMT

In article <199208180116.AA10849@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>Lin Can wrote:
>
>No, I only said the original is a lie. Please read it again.
>
><more difficult to believe that no cannibalism at all during such most
><adverse conditions.
>
>Could you answer me why they did not rebel? To open government's gain barns
>was much easier thing to do.

A flaw in Chinese nature? Cannibalism were rather common in Chinese
history during famine. The instances had been well documented by Chinese
own historians. Thoroughout Chinese' history, it generally took MUCH more
than a famine to cause the people to rebel.  

>
>I am really surprised by that so many young people think it is natural to
>cannibal if one is hungry :-(  But maybe it is good for our young generation
>to learn some aggressive, adventural characters. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: Shut the Hell up! Some of you Netters!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:07:59 GMT

In <1992Aug13.085535.15708@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
>Agree with the last one. If we keep talking this way,
>people around the world reading 'soc.culture.china' will
>only become more and more and more convinced that 
>CHINA DOES NOT HAS ANY CULTURE AT ALL!
>    
>Think it over, ladies and gentlemen.

Although I hate what you are saying, I will fight to death against anybody who
dares to prevent your freedom of speech.
-- 

Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am)		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
    <1992Aug20.004700.13613@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:03:35 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>Again your logic is wrong!! Assume your logic were correct, then you forget  
>that today's Japan and its Emperor is not the same as before. 

No, my logic is not wrong. 20th century is not 10th century. It is no use to
apply the moden rule to not so civilized time, and that is to create hatred.
And to tell you the truth, if some one says "Korean people do not have the right
to ask for apology for the war China did in the history", I would say: yes they
have the right. Just like Chinese people have their right to ask.
No matter they can get it or not, no matter what they ask is correct or not,
that is another thing. No matter what reason you have, to deprive their right
is a wrong logic. Whether you hate them, look down them, disdain them, or what
ever else that is your business. If you want to teach them to behave your way,
mind your logic. So you won't reget someday later that they apply your logic to
you.

>Also, the old tradition of asking someone's son to pay his dad's debt has taken  
>deep root in your heart. This is feudalism!

I don't see you are for it or agaist it. I am still missing your logic. You
mean to ask the great-great-great-great-grandson to pay the debt is the
mordenism? Which one should take deep root in my heart, yours?
What do you mean here by "debt", you are not saying every time you borrow money
from anyone equals to kill him, aren't you. You don't think the Emperor
represent at least a symbol of a country, do you? What is the relation between
an emperor and feudalism? What rule should be here?

>Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phyzzzx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ziyang Zhang)
Subject: testing
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:19:43 GMT

this is a test.