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From: pnturowski@amherst.edu
Subject: Re: interbreeding
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:23:37 GMT

About Tarpans and Przewalskis:
  According to Daphne Machin Goodall, British and German expert on 
breeds, the tarpan was/is Equus przewalski gmelini Ant., and the
Przewalsky is classified as Equus przewalski przewalskii poliakoff.
So they are classified as the same species but different varieties.
They may or may not really be of the same species, but they are
and were certainly quite different.  Their coloring and size are
very similar (a variety of duns, dorsal stripes, zebration on the limbs, 
ca. 13 hands), but tarpans are much better horses.  They are friendly,
domesticable, sociable, highly fertile, sound, and long-lived.  (Also
late-maturing, I believe.)  Przewalskis are essentially not domesti-
cable, don't reproduce well, and have lousy hooves.  They have broader
foreheads and larger heads than tarpans and much straighter shoulders.
But then, it's along way from the Mongolian Gobi to Poland.  The tarpan
influence is very great in the European breeds, and highly visible in
the small breeds (Konik, Duelmener, Goetland, Exmoor).  
  About the quarter horse that supposedly was bred into Przewalskis at
some zoo - that sounds like a freak, or a rumor, more likely.  It
certainly would not have an effect on the wild Przewalskis in inner
Mongolia or the zoo Przewalskis in Eurasia.  I've not heard of
successful crossings with Przewalskis - they are rare.
  About the new tarpans, because so little time elapsed between
extinction and regeneration of the breed, and because the tarpan
influence was so strong in the Konik and other Polish breeds, I
really believe that the old and new tarpans are essentially the
same.  The old breed did not really die out by extinction but by
interbreeding and blending, so it was not too difficult to unblend,
so to speak.
  Petra
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From: fks@vax.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: Names, again!
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: fks@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:06:10

In article <SUSAN.92Jul29161736@wimpie.noaapmel.gov> susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott) writes:

    Since so many other people had good luck with the name game here, I told
    my friend I'd give it a try.
    
    She has been given a filly (about 1 year old, though no one is sure - it's
    a rescue animal), who is *probably* a Quarter Horse mix.  There were no 
    records found, and the previous 'owner' has no idea.

How about "PollyAnna" or "Sara" (from Sara Crewe the temporarily poor girl 
in "A Little Princess") or "Annie." She sounds like a complete sweetie! 

--

Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (617) 246-0900
FTP Software, Inc.		 26 Princess Street, Wakefield, MA  01880
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Airborne Horse-Eaters
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:05:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <HANNAH.92Jul28133017@pomponio.ai.sri.com> 
	hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
>
>Anyway, my guess is that it was the loud hissing noises (the great
>grandmother of all spray bottles? :-) ) that caused the consternation,
>not the balloon itself.
>

One of the times I "bought some real estate" while riding:  I was working
in the ring while the farm owner was adding some gravel to the ring entrance
using his tractor.  I was at the opposite end of the ring (which happens to
be the spooky part) when he dumped a load of gravel.  Needless to say it
was quite noisy, and sounded just like a huge, horse-eating monster.
Needless to say, Tristan went ballistic and did an "exit, stage left" in
no uncertain terms, leaving me behind to contemplate my situation.  The
funny thing is, he ran right up to the tractor that had made the noise!
It was a bit embarassing when explaining to the owner that "what
happened?" was his dumping the gravel spooked my horse.  "But he ran
right up to the tractor!  He wasn't afraid of it."  Of course it wasn't
the tractor he was afraid of, it was that horse-eating boogey man that
he sure as heck *heard* down there at the other end of the ring.  

Anecdotally yours,
Dave
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From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:38:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In Carlo Guarmani's book on the Arab horse, which I beleive was the first 
book on Arabs ever written (certainly pre-Blunt) he said that the two year old
horse 'should be taken everywhere with you.' - Not ridden, but taken 
everywhere to show it what was what.  I did this with my mare when she was two,
including leading her 6 miles to a show, and 6 miles home again.  I also 
long-reined at a walk and a little slow trot as a two year old.  If the horse 
is used to wearing a rug with a fillet string which passes around his quarters,
he will almost certainly accept long reining very quickyly.  just attach the 
extra rein either to the far side of his lunging cavesson or just to his 
roller or saddle to start off with and lunge him as per usual but with the 
extra rein  in place around his quarters.  Do this both ways until he accepts 
it as normal, then start taking up slightly more feel on the outside rein,
especially when you ask him to halt.  

Bit by bit you can start moving more 'behind' the horse and to ask him to 
turn from side to side.  The important thing to remember is to go slowly,
especially if you haven't done any long reining/ground driving before, and to
keep the inside rein as a lunge rein for quite some time so if anything goes 
wrong you can just drop the outside rein and revert to plain old lunging 
until you have regained control.

The first time I tried to long rein, I was trying to teach a young stallion
and put both reins through the rings on the roller.  Of course, as soon as
I asked him to turn, he turned far too sharply and then panicked and spun 
round, tying himself up in the reins with his head firmly attached to his
belly.  Now I keep at least one rein going direct from my hand to the horses
head for quite a while until I am sure they aren't going to panic.

I also sat on my two year Arab, but then she was lying down at the time, so 
I figured it wouldn't strain her legs too much.  I concentrated on taking 
her out for long walks and showing her off to the locals.  Oh, and a march
through town on an anti poll-tax campaign saying "NEIGH to the Poll Tax!"
which was great fun and brilliant training for a two year old!  :-)

Hope this helps,

Esther   
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From: yvonne@adagio.UUCP (Yvonne Lehey)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Positions available at Reiterhof Lehey
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:17:37 GMT
Organization: LEMIS, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany


Reiterhof Lehey is a training camp for horse riding situated in the
Vogelsberg district of Hessen, more or less in the geographical centre
of Germany. Our primary activity is vacation courses for school girls,
though we have other activities outside the school vacations. We teach
the ``light'' riding style as described by Ursula Bruns and Linda
Tellington-Jones, though we are not in any way associated with them.

In the months of August to October we have positions vacant for
assistants aged 18 or older. Duties include caring for the horses, who
will remain at pasture as long as this is practical - at least all of
August and September, possibly all of October as well - and caring for
the guests, up to 18 girls aged between 8 and 16, including
housekeeping duties and accompanying rides. Suitable candidates may
also participate in instruction.

Compensation includes food and acommodation, free riding within
practical limits, and DM 800 (about $550) per month. Good ability with
horses and an understanding of German are both of great advantage.

Please reply to: yvonne%lemis@germany.eu.net, or call +49-6637-1401
(if you get the answering machine, the message means more or less what
you might expect :-).
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Subject: Re: Lameness treatment
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:31:52 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Jul22.084139.8835@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> Hi all!
> 
> I took my QH mare to supposedly one of the best lameness vets around Ohio
> why she has been lame for the past year.  I have had 2 other vets work
> her over, including x-rays, with no answers.
> 
> Doc first blocked a knee and said the joint was dry.  He then blocked the
> back and front of her foot and ruled out navicular or laminitis.  He
> blocked the ankle and said that joint was dry also.  Then he blocked the
> check ligaments and ruled that out.  He manipulated both front legs and
> checked her ribs.  He said the first rib was dislocated and would cause
> lamness.
> 
> The treatment was injections of silicone in the knee and ankle.  Then he
> injected this black stuff called "Mckays" through a foot long needle inserted
> through the chest muscles to along side the first rib.
> 
> The mare went sound right after the treatment, but was three legged lame
> three hours later.  She was still lame last nite.  This treatment was a little
> off the wall to me and so far I can't say she's better.  This vet visit
> was very expensive.  (and 70 miles away)  If she's not better by friday,
> he'll want to repeat the shots.
> 
> Has anybody else tried this injection therapy?
> 
> Leigh
> (Sue, you may know him-C. Vonderwell in Delphos) to try and figure out
>  

Delphos is 'way out of my area.  Don't know everything there is to know
about veterinary medicine but his treatment sounds 'off the wall' to me.
Have you tried taking her down to Ohio State Veterinary School or just
giving them a call and asking lots of questions?

Sue
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From: XT.JGC@forsythe.stanford.edu (John Claudy)
Subject: Re: Airborne Horse-Eaters
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:27:07 GMT

I missed the initial post on this, but I can add hangliders
to the list.  Several years ago my wife and I were riding in a
county park that, unknown to us, is a major hang gliding area
(Ed Levin Park for those of you in the SF Bay Area).  All of
a sudden my wife's Arab gelding saw one that had already
caught and eaten a person and he was sure it was going to get
him next.  He started to back away from it and would have
backed right across a golf course if he hadn't backed
into a tree.  My wife got off to try to calm him down.  It
didn't work and he pulled loose and took off at a canter.
After about 200 yards he slowed down and (this is the truth)
a man stepped out of a phone booth and caught him as he went
by.  And no, the man wasn't wearing a red and blue outfit with
a cape.

John
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: 2x4 eating animals.
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:58:07 GMT

In article <3030331@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM 
(Wendy Milner) writes:
>Creasote is illegal.  It used to be used for railroad ties and
>such, but has been found to be very bad for the environment.

  Illegal?  Nuts!

  I was looking forward to that smell I remember so fondly
from childhood when we build our barn.

  I always suspected it was bad for animals, but growing up
around cows (who don't, in general, make night-time snacks
of buildings) I never saw any animals actually try to digest
it.

  The county just last summer built a new bridge on my town
road with creatoste treated lumber -- is it only illegal for
private?

  Thanks in advance, Ciaran.
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: olympic three-day
Keywords: olympic, 3day
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:02:26 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

The triplecast came through for 3-day cross-country today; 6 1/2 hours of
coverage.  Unfortunately, that means I won't be posted scores for
everybody that got shown on TV.  However, here are the top 8 individuals
after XC and the team scores:

Matthew Ryan        Kibah Tic Toc       AUS   65.00
Andrew Nicholson    Spinning Rhombus    NZL   70.40
Herbert Blocker     Feine Dame          GER   79.80
Mary Thomson        King William        GBR   80.40
Ian Stark           Murphy Himself      GBR   80.60
Victoria Latta      Chief               NZL   82.80
Andrew Hoy          Kiwi                AUS   84.40
Karen Dixon         Get Smart           GBR   87.40

Teams:

New Zealand         NZL   240.80
Great Britain       GBR   248.40
Australia           AUS   273.60
Germany             GER   283.80
Belgium             BEL   302.80
Spain               ESP   363.80
Japan               JPN   386.80
Sweden              SWE   394.00
Ireland             IRL   405.80
Canada              CAN   412.60
Poland              POL   429.40
United States       USA   447.00
Italy               ITA   473.40
Netherlands         NED   503.20
Portugal            POR   577.60
Hungary             HUN   (forgot to write down the score, sorry!)


The heat and humidity everyone was worrying about wasn't too much of a
factor early in the morning but by the end of the day, the horses were
really feeling it.  There were a lot more tired horses at the end than at
the beginning.  However, the vets did take one of the Unified Team's
horses off in the horse ambulance suffering from extreme heat exhaustion
and dehydration, but the horse is doing better now (at least it has
regained consciousness);  also, Mark Todd's horse Welton Grelag tied up
during/after phase C.  Todd Trewin's horse Sandscript finished the
course, but just barely, trotting across the finish, but was later
withdrawn (whether officially withdrawn by Todd or spun by the vets, I
don't know) due to heat exhaustion.

The course was tough - very few people took the fast routes and only 4
pairs took all but one fast route.  There were 82 starters.

Judy


        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.        
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From: tokorhon@messi.uku.fi (Tommi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Helmets and why I always wear one
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:21:36 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

To start here: I ALWAYS use a helmet.
But every single time I have fallen, I have came down on my back! Auch!
Once I injured my achilles-nerve, so that it took half a year unless 
the pain diminished. (Nothing had to operate, but massage was a must)

Should I try harder to land on my head? :)


-- 

It's Tkorho above there, at tokorhon@messi.uku.fi
"The Black Crow of love"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:36:56 GMT

Look, I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but.....


I'm really pretty tired of hearing about how:

1) guides are irresponsible and scummy
2) guides are overly anal
3) rental riders are maniacs
4) rental riders are afraid/overly timid
5) rental stables are protecting their horses
6) rental stables abuse their horses
7) experienced riders aren't as experienced as they think
8) experienced riders are just fine, thank you very much
9) people who say they're experienced but don't act like they're
experienced cause problems
10) oh yeah well I AM experienced
11) how dare you say I don't know if you're experienced

Yawn. Yawn. Yawn. Yawn.


Is there something, say, PRODUCTIVE we could talk about?

I know this used to be a point, but why don't we just drop it,
because it's getting beaten to death. I'm just tired of having 3/4
of the posts be angry, defensive, aggressive or otherwise abusive.

Thank you very much for preserving the quality of our Net...

-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it jump."
From: mortati@ocean.ucs.dec.com (Maria Mortati)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: interest in horses on the decline? (was western riding and helmets)
Keywords: interest horses riding increase decrease
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: mortati@ocean.ucs.dec.com (Maria Mortati)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

>From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 06:39:13 EDT
>
>I can't believe that Ken said that interest in the finest sport will continue
>to decline.  I don't see any decline here in the Northeast, that's for sure.
>Try to get a place at a good boarding stable, even with the inflated prices.


I would hope that this is not true.  However, I was back east visiting
the folks
recently (NY) when I decided to visit the stables I rode at as a little girl.
After driving around a bit, I found that the club (once called Boulder Brook
Riding Club) had sold off the front acreage to the city for lacross fields
and had moved the entire rodeway in around to the side.  I went into the barn,
which used to be a pretty active place, and it was very much delapidated
and worn.  It was such a well-kept place in the past.   Most of the stalls
had been recently vacated.  When I finally found a live body to ask, I found
that most of the horses had gone to another barn in Greenwhich, Conn.
and that the rest of the barn was "subdivided" so to speak.  Certain wings
were run/owned by different owners/groups.  The young woman I spoke to said
that it was "really going down hill" and she didn't seem too happy with 
the place any more.  Are many barns/clubs run this way now?

It was a strange walk down memory lane to say the least.  I've heard that
one of the clubs in that area has actually improved so maybe they'll "take
BBRC's place".  I don't know about you all, but times ($) are tough!!
Here's to hoping that they begin to improve soon-
:)
Maria
From: la@datani.dk
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Treatment for Navicular Decease ??
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:01:56 GMT
Organization: Datani A/S, Copenhagen, Denmark

Hello out there.

I am interested in a treatment for Navicular Decease (if there are any), 
as I have an endurence horse (Hannoverian - to heavy mayby, as his weigth are
660 kilogram, but he have completed 90 miles) with bad X-RAYs for 
the Navicular Bone. He had used special Navicular Shoes, 
but have some problem as he also suffer from stone bruices 
even though he is using pads and silicone.

For the moment a horse in our stable (a high jumper horse) 
are trying "Iso*Suprine 3%HCL", and I want to know if any of you 
have experience on using this on competition horses, and with what result.

So, I want to know the following :

	1. Other treatment for Navicular Decease.

	2. Experience with Iso*Suprine.

	3. Any drawback on using Iso*Suprine (Other than the price).

 



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Lone Aalekjfr               E-mail:         la@datani.dk
Datani A/S                  PSI-mail: 23830114034600::LA
Copenhagen, Denmark         
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fks@vax.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: fks@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:49:10

In article <1992Jul28.001555.11202@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:

    on the net in the past - when people say "I want to rent horses someplace
    without a guide" it really hits my trigger.  The *only* reason people say
    this is because they want to run the s*** out of the horses!  Otherwise
    you wouldn't mind a guide being along.  It makes me so mad!  If you don't

Some people may want to go SLOWER than the guided tours. (After all, a
lot of people don't like running.) Some people may not want to be
downwind of the hot ash flying off the guide's cigarette at each canter.
Some people might want to be able to stop, or to take alternate paths. A
guide usually controls both pace and direction with no opportunity for
input from the renters. There are many potential reasons to avoid guides,
especially bored, renter-hostile guides who act like they're sleep-riding
- not unusual.

--

Frances Kirk Selkirk		 fks@ftp.com	           (617) 246-0900
FTP Software, Inc.		 26 Princess Street, Wakefield, MA  01880
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: yawning ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:14:58 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.141039.16646@pbs.org> 
	mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>
>I just read something in a magazine last night and I
>just had to post and get comments.  it said that horses
>can't yawn.  

Well then, someone clearly forgot to tell my horse, Tristan, this bit
of wisdom, because he yawns fairly often and quite voraciously!  I have
told him that it is rude to yawn without covering your mouth (that's what
I was taught), but he ignores me and tries his best to display his
tonsils.  Of course, this is a horse who loves to make faces. 

Perhaps a horse yawn is somehow different than a human yawn, but it sure
looks the same to me.  I wonder, though, if one horse yawns and the other
horses see it, will they all start yawning (yawning is contagious, you
know ;-).

Now if the magazine was actually referring to the metaphorical
"technicolor yawn", they are correct (horses cannot regurgitate).

$0.02 for the manure spreader...
Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: I know boasting's rude, but...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:08:41 GMT

Sailboats, llamas, etc..  How about a hot air balloon riding low right beside
the arena, complete with loud gas firing hissing effects?  Happened to me
last Friday.  Daleilah and the two other horses in the arena were *most*
impressed.

I was impressed that none of them tried to take off!  Needless to say, all work
stopped when the balloon came into view, and didn't start again until it
was out of sight behind some trees.  We all just stood there, trying to
convince our horses that it wouldn't eat them.  ("Mellow out, Daleilah,
it's just a... big bird.")  Of course, the corner nearest where it disapeared
was the "spook" corner for the rest of the session.


Kathy Wilber     att!mvp03!kw
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