From: mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Star Editorial (long - was Re: Scandal alert: more to follow)
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:17:36 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng) writes:
>  
> : yeh, the Mail is dedicated to revealing anything that the armed forces are
> : involved in, ie. anything that is to the detriment of the reconciliation
> : process.  if my memory serves me well, a lot of people rebuked the Mail for
> : spreading making wild accusations.  some went as far as insinuating that it
> : was supportive of the anc course (does that ring any bells, govan).  but
> : then , the mail kept onat it.  the job of the people at the mail have
> : produced results.  let us applaud their efforts.  i hope they kept on doing
> : the good job.
> 
> The Weekly Wail, need we say more? Actually Goldstone was the force
> behind the latest revelations, which is why someone listened.

Actually it was good journalism on the part of the _VryeWeekblad_ newspaper,
an weekly independant like the _Weekly Mail_ which drew the Goldstone
Commissions attention to MI.
 
> : on the other hand, i will like to hear ypu views on the latest revelations.
> : you had quite a lot to say when "evidence was not available".  now what do
> : you say in the face of the STRONG EVIDENCE that has come to light.
> 
> It may surprise you to hear that MI have infiltrated MK, and have
> strategies aimed to smear them and the ANC, it hardly surprises me.

Gavan's "BUT" follows:
 
> Both of these organizations are still very much at war, although the
> war now operates under different rules. Surprise! And both have covert
> operations on the go aimed at undermining each other.
> 
> How on earth this affects anything I've said escapes me, but I'm flattered
> that you attach so much importance to my pronouncements. 

Now Gavan cannot resist returning to the earlier style that we have all
missed .... NOT!
 
> Latest news: Goldstone finds that violence in Thokoza is due to ANC/IFP
> rivalry, and that the Phola Park SDU (ANC aligned) played a major role,
> having become little more than a protection racket. Kinda
> supports my own view that the violence rests squarely within its
> own community.

Kinda supports our view that you interpret events to suit your views:

"Cop posed as ANC leader" [from the Cape Times 23 November 1992]

"A police informer posing as the head of an ANC self-defense unit organised
two attacks which caused the deaths of 19 people in Thokoza last year,
the Goldstone Commission has found.

"The report found that Mr Mncugi Ceba, who was the leader of a self-defence
unit (SDU) in September 1991, organised the ambush of a march by hostel
dwellers which killed 16.

"According to a report in a Sunday newspaper yesterday, Mr Ceba also led a
violent coup by the Phola Park SDU to oust the Phola Park Residents' 
Committee.  Three members were subsequently assassinated.

"The technique of using people like Mr Ceba in criminal activity ties in
with suggestions Ferdi Barnard made to Millitary Intelligence (MI) last
year which MI claimed it never adopted, the report noted.

"The commission has forwarded some of its findings to the attorney-general.

"Police spokesman Col Ray Harrald said yesterday a statement would be 
issued only after the report had been studied."
(end of article)
 
[Perhaps Gavan should also only issue his statements "after the report
has been studied".  Suggests something about intelligence perhaps? :-)

> Something puzzles me though: why smear MK with IRA links when
> Mandela is photographed regularly with Castro, Arafat, Gaddafi
> and others, and supported Irag in the Gulf war, even phoning Bush
> to tell him so? The "intelligence" in Military Intelligence
> looks a little out of place. 
> 
> Gavan Tredoux
> MI (UCT)
                                
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