HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Calling it AGA was a smart move!
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:56:51 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Nov9.180612.15917@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>Has this been mentioned before? The marketing department seems to
>have chosen an excellent name for the new graphics chips.

Debatable.

>"AGA" rhymes with CGA, EGA, and VGA. 

Yes, and you know what: There *was* actually an AGA card for PCs, and
guess who used and sold it in *big* numbers? Yes, *Commodore*, at
least in Europe. So we here will *not* use this AGA term and will
stay calling it "AA". No chance. You see, this old AGA card featured
Hercules *and* CGA on *one* card, wow!!! How come I do not at all want
the new Amiga features being associated with this ancient stuf...
And believe me, at least here there are lots of people who still
know about that old AGA card, they would get very big eyes when being
told that the Amiga now offers *that*. Huh, please not.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:17:27 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Hmmmmmmmmm. Well Gary, I thought I read that the new version of Final Copy did
tables of contents and so forth. LEt's see... I'll have to look in the latest
AW, but I could have sworn it did. And as for DTP systems, they are often
made to be a part of a complete "package" that includes a WP. I think the 
definition between a DTP and a WP program are getting more blurred all the
time. 

dleland@nmsu.edu
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:28:06 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov11.110421.10857@mercury.unt.edu> west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.044934.29399@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.013413.21734@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>>
>>I am not sure about that.  I think the EE wanted to EE things with it. Spice 
>>on a 486 would be great.
>
>   Spice runs on an A3000 also.
>
>>Actually, I heard she was getting an Amiga3000.  Really, in engineering I
>>think real IBM compatiblilty is the UTMOST of importance. Really.
>>But it depends on what the EE does.  If it it for minor work, the Amiga3000
>>would almost (IMO) be suitable.  
>
>  Where these concepts come from I'll never know.  But, ENGINEERS DON'T USE
>IBM PCs - SECRETARIES USE IBM PCs!!  If you are a EE You will be working in
>a lab on a specialized computer system just for the work you are doing just
>for the company you are at - PERIOD.  You arn't gonna be working on any
>damn pc.  PCs are just that - PERSONAL computers for PERSONAL use.  What
>computer do YOU want to work on and do the little home test you apply to
>your work.  Plus if you are CE then you can write whatever code you need 
>with a guruntee that it will do EXACTLY everything you need as opposed to
>commercial software that does "some of it" or is "not quite right, but cool".

Thousands of startup companies use 386/486 boxes for hardware design.  There
is a huge market for CAD and CAE software for clones.  These packages are in
the $1000 to $5000 range.  Most fab houses are extremely happy when you hand
them your design data on an MSDOS formatted diskette.

Thousands of clones are used as single purpose tools in the world of optics,
electronics, manufacturing and medicine.  Sometimes they don't even look like
clones because they are buried inside a rack or a console.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A1200 - yay or nay?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:20:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1dch9iINN8fl
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <n0d87t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>
>  #399 in Europe (which directly converted is about $600 American; there is
>also  the  fact that prices often have the same numerical amounts - thus it
>might sell for $399 American!)

   The A600 is selling for $399.00 US at the local Software Etc. Commodore USA
finally broke down and made a games pack similar to what they've been selling
in Europe for a long time. And they seem to be some decent games, too.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                       Willy Beamish Development Team
All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu, BIX: ggiles                           Author of DiskInfo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Calling it AGA was a smart move!
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:06:12 GMT

Has this been mentioned before? The marketing department seems to
have chosen an excellent name for the new graphics chips.

"AGA" rhymes with CGA, EGA, and VGA. People who know better will
know that AGA is superior to VGA. People who know no better (many
PC users or non users) may assume (correctly but coincedently)
that the progression is from CGA -> EGA -> VGA -> AGA, with S-VGA
being a temporary hiccup dropped along the way. The fact that
AGA can emulate VGA clinches it.

Now Amiga salepeople (ie Amiga users) can say "VGA?? The Amiga's
got AGA!".


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:56:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.085507.27694@cs.uow.edu.au> u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>Nah what you want to do is watch the question time of Australian parliment.
>Keating sure does make for interesting, humourous watching.
>Unless you are a Hewson supporter.

In which case his ranting and raving is even funnier...  :-)


-- 
David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
From: s7280041@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s7280041)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Multisync Monitors
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:37:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  From the former responses it looks to me like I am not going to
purchase the 1960.  However, I don't feel like spending over $500
on a multisync monitor.  I've found a couple MS monitors in my price
range, and they were the IDEK DR-3114($359) and the SEIKO 1440 MS($519).
Could any tell me what the pro's and con's of these monitors as compared
with the 1960?  Does any1 have a guess as to how these monitors would
work with the A1200?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.044934.29399@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.013413.21734@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>I am not sure about that.  I think the EE wanted to EE things with it. Spice 
>on a 486 would be great.

   Spice runs on an A3000 also.

>Actually, I heard she was getting an Amiga3000.  Really, in engineering I
>think real IBM compatiblilty is the UTMOST of importance. Really.
>But it depends on what the EE does.  If it it for minor work, the Amiga3000
>would almost (IMO) be suitable.  

  Where these concepts come from I'll never know.  But, ENGINEERS DON'T USE
IBM PCs - SECRETARIES USE IBM PCs!!  If you are a EE You will be working in
a lab on a specialized computer system just for the work you are doing just
for the company you are at - PERIOD.  You arn't gonna be working on any
damn pc.  PCs are just that - PERSONAL computers for PERSONAL use.  What
computer do YOU want to work on and do the little home test you apply to
your work.  Plus if you are CE then you can write whatever code you need 
with a guruntee that it will do EXACTLY everything you need as opposed to
commercial software that does "some of it" or is "not quite right, but cool".

>>
>>Yours Sincerely,
>>Kelvin
>>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
>
>
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

Ciao....

                                                  - Jason
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: A1200 - yay or nay?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:04:40 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>>Bad points:
>>  880K floppy instead of 1.76M.
>>  One piece design.
>>  No fast ram standard.
>>  No improved sound (same as A4000).
>>  IDE and not SCSI.
>
>But, allusions have been made to additional configurations. And with the
>expansion bus, DSP support and accelerators should be cost-effective.

I tend not to trust the allusions.  Allusions were made that the 32-bit
expansion of the A3000 would mean A3000 owners could upgrade to the latest
technology from Commodore for some time to come.  This has since become an
illusion...

Given the proposed pricing of the A1200 (assuming less than $700 US), it is
a great package.  A high-density drive should be standard in all new Amigas,
but this is not an issue now with all software on double-density diskettes.
Amiga sound is, and always has been, more than adequate.  Adding fast RAM
is a minor upgrade--the system already comes with two megs of chip RAM (is
this 32-bit?).

The one-piece design is a questionable style.  It has worked well for
Commodore with their previous computers, and this is a low-end machine.
I may want something with a detached keyboard and some slots; I'll have
to wait for a mid-range machine.

IDE, too, is fine for low-end computers.  I still wonder about the decision
to use IDE in the A4000--is the savings that great?  A hard drive should be
included with any new computer, though, as should AGA (i.e., no A600's).

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Amiga-1200 is not for me...
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:22:01 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov5.131851.90515@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> 
>         The most obvious meathod of adding a DSP is on a Zorro3 card.
> This is something C= might prefer to leave to 3rd party developers. C=
> has stuck with more basic peripherals (ram cards, hard disk cards,
> accelerator cards) and let other people do the more exotic stuff (video
> cards such as the Toaster and Harlequin, etc). Look at the C= transputer
> card, they built a working prototype, showed it to the press, then
> quietly shelved the project. I can't remember seeing a straight answer
> about why this happened.

There was relatively little real interest in the card, since it was mostly
a transputer interface, leaving open the question of why an Amiga user
would want one and what software there would be to run on it.

If you didn't notice, just about everyone that took a fling with transputers
quitely dropped them, whatever niche that architecture is fated to fill
doesn't seem to be associated with personal computers, where DSP's, math
coprocessor and risc-like graphics processors seem to own the turf.

> > Why is the Commodore Bridgeboard so expensive?  Commodore can buy lots of
> > parts for its clones, why not subsidize the BridgeBoard production?
> > Commodore should make a cheap '386 clone bridgeboard for the A1200.  I
> > couldn't recommend it to anyone except for current Amiga owners.

The bridgecard is expensive becuase it has to contain most of the electronics
of a PC clone, but sales volume is limited to a percentage of the high-end
systems which are only a percentage of Commodore's Amiga business.  No volume,
no bottom dollar price.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jhp3x@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Howard Porter)
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:45:20 GMT

What would the cost of an ALpha based AMiga be?? I recognize the
incredible speed it has... but doesn't this carry a high price tag?

Jeff
From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:56:17 GMT
Organization: Mostly Harmless...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16g (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <69240@cup.portal.com> L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:
> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.195020.26930@cs.olemiss.edu>, skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> > In article <1992Nov9.120425.6245@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> >>In article <1992Nov9.134303.6859@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
> >>> In article <1992Nov8.220520.6234@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> >>>>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
> >>>>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
> >>>>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation

[stuff edited out.]

> >an IBM clone.  Case in point, 88 meg removable drive for an Amiga 500
> >is $900.  For mine, $390.  
> 
> 	It seems to me that you were getting majorly ripped off in
> your Amiga purchases.  My 88MB EXTERNAL SyQuest drive was $450, from,
> of all places, MacLand. Considering that SCSI is SCSI concerning
> the Amiga, just where in the world did you see an 88MB removable
> drive (I've assumed it's the SyQuest, and not the 90MB Bernoulli)
> *specifically* for the Amiga at $900???
> 

Notice that the Amiga 500 is specified above and it seems obvious that a
SCSI controller was included in the price. It's a shame that the same isn't
true for the PC price he quoted.

-- 
----
Paul Broe
Internet: broe@plains.nodak.edu
UUCP: uunet!plains!prototype!k9!doctor (My Amiga 2500/20)    AmigaUUCP 1.16D
BIX: pbroe Compu$erve: too expensive.                        AmigaOS 2.05
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (M.S. Ashton)
Subject: AGA <> Monitor answers
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:36:23 GMT

After deciding to buy a 1200 myself I have done much research into this:

This is what I have discovered:
If there any ANY errors in these statements I request a Commodore engineer
to correct me.

1084: Displays all the Modes it can with ECS (max. 1280*256 non interlaced
						   1280*512 interlaced)
No productivity - no flicker free higher resolutions.

VGA: Same as SVGA below but is doesn't have same pixel accuracy as dot
     pitch <.28
SVGA: Displays all amiga Hi-Res modes.
      This consists of 640*512(ni) 1280*512(ni) 640*1024(i) 800*600(i?)
      These monitors are keyed to these resolutions and cannot handle Lo-res
      modes (320*256,320*512(i),640*256... etc,etc)
      If you are using the system for prof. work(i.e. Prefs/screenmode is
      available) then you may use Mode Promotion.
      This turns the lo-res modes into Hi-res by sending each line twice.
      This allows SVGA monitors to display ALL amiga resolutions*
      Bootable games will kick the Chipset into Lo-res so you cannot use
      these on your SVGA.
      So no good for games,perfect for WB.
Multiscan: Very dangerous to leap out and buy one as you don't know it's range
	   of speeds...
1935: Is an SVGA.
1960: A multiscan with exactly the correct range for all resolutions*
      enables you to use Lo-res without mode promotion saving Chip bus time.
      (the image will look less 'smooth' however).
      Bootable games will work fine.

The 1960 is an excellent but expensive solution.....
If you have a television why not play the lo-res games on that(they don't 
lose *that* much) and buy an 1935.
If you really want old 32-colour 320*200/256 games to be displayed pixel 
perfect then buy a 1960.
I'll be buying a 1960 'cos I haven't got a T.V. :-)
Hope this helps:
If I'm wrong please correct me (if you *know* like Dr. Kitte might).
Mike.
___
mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 21:36:00 +0100
From: Markus_Moenig@mowgli.fido.de (Markus Moenig)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
X-Comment-To: (Chris Slothman Stoy)
Organization: Is there anybody out there ??? 

Chris "Slothman" Stoy schrieb am 04 Nov 92  21:29:00 in 
fidonet.COMP.SYS.AMIGA.ADVOCACY:

CS> In article <Bx72oH.H4E@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
CS> (Ninstar Cybermage - Back Again from the Mists!) says:
CS> >
CS> time favorite karate game for the 64.  Also, Karateka (Broderbound?) was
CS> pretty cool.  It had some really nice graphics, but the game was a little 
slow
CS> at times.  It was still a great game.

great game ? It is THE martial arts Game ever ! I have never seen smoother
animation on ANY Computer ...

CS> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
CS> Chris "Slothman" Stoy |  DISCLAIMER: The views expressed within are not
CS> cms129 at psuvm       |  mine but those of my pet hamster Gizmo. HE'S
CS> cms129@psuvm.psu.edu  |  responsible for this! Blame him!        ^^^^
CS> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

             Markus
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:51:42 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov9.222911.18961@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> Why is it that Amiga hires mode seem to have LOTS higher horizontal res than
> vertical res?
> 
> Ex: Resolution on the order of the 'super wooper duper productivity mode' might
> be something like 1200X350 or something weird like that.
> 
> Can someone explain to me why this is so different from the marginal 
> horizontal res edge in PC, Ex: 640X480, 800X600,1024X768,1280X960,1280X1024.

	This is not marginal, multiply the vertical resolution by 4/3 and you
	get the horizontal resolution.  These are just 'square' pixels.

> If it were an Amiga with similar horzontal resolution, they might
> read:                          640X200, 800X300,1024X350, 1280X450,1280X550,etc.
> Note, these may/may NOT be actually figures.
> 
> Thanks-
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
> "There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
> lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                         -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <kdarling.721534036@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>R Hernandez writes:
>> Watch out with these Mpeg "demos."  At the last summer CES in Chicago,
>> I went there, and Phillips was also showing this "demo."  It was
>> a clip from one of those "James Bond" movies.
>> Things is that it looked superb, but no surprise, no hardware in sight.
>> So I went and asked:
>> [conversation deleted] 
>
>Hmm.  If you meant that you thought the early demo was a fake, then of
>course you went away with an incorrect impression.

Did YOU attend CES and see their demonstration?  I did and I asked the
Phillips representative about it.  He admitted that they were trying to give
the impression that it was running off of the Phillips player with a
MPEG card added, when in fact IT WAS NOT.  Therefore, from my viewpoint
it was at least a misleading demonstration.  (I believe it was actually
running from a Compaq.)

I do agree that MPEG can now produce much better quality output than
it did originally.

John Campbell
Director, Commodore Applications and Technical Support
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Skip to the Aggravation
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:31:27 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <torban.721642132@csuvax1> torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett) writes:
>Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>
>>re article by Skip Sauls -- you missed a lot of people -- annoy Dan Barrett
>>by parapharxDsing Blazemonger.  [line noise discourtey of NYNEX... I wonder
>>-what- is going on -- there was an audible click when on voice with someone
>>a few minutes ago.....]
>>Annoy some Europeans -- talk US politics.  Annoy Americans -- slam US
>>politicians.  Annoy Canadians -- talk about the dissolution of Canada....
>
>And what about us Australian's.  Can't you annoy us as well.  Pleeeeeas!

Oh well, I'll be the one to let the cat out of the bag.  All of us 
non-Australians agreed via email to not include you.  We figured 
that would be even more annoying to you than anything else.  :-)

>Torban Bennett - Net lurker at large     torban@murdoch.edu.au
>Western Australia.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 10:46:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Oct28.153938.6070@tronsbox.xei.com> <1cmrk5INNeu0@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
  <1992Nov2.174248.9109@head-cfa.harvard.edu> <dusek.720901172@shale>

dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>        Instead of stomping on the rights of advertisers, why don't we stop
>the goverment and a few elitetists from repealing the rights of these women
>and the rest of us. I'm talking about letting the Amercian people be taught
>how to use handguns for self defence, given consealed weapons permits, and
>allowed to buy handguns. You would see the crime rate plummet. Attacks 
>against women will also drop.
 
	I agree with the first part of your suggestion for effective change
concerning women's rights, people's rights.. anyone's rights.
 
	But *HANDGUNS* available for everyone???
 
	Please, before you reply, I ask you to think on this matter for
a while, and then explain to us *specifically* how crime would plummet and
attacks against women would plummet.  I'm interested to hear your view on
this.
 
--Louis
L-Bueno@cup.portal.com