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From: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India is a poor nation.
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:20:56 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article adesai@iastate.edu (Alpaa Desai) writes:
>In adesai@iastate.edu (Alpaa Desai) writes:
>

>> Time will tell these ignorant people who realy is poor.We Indian's may
>> lack abundance of cash and wealth, but we are much richer than any
>> other country in every other respect. Only time will teach them a
>> lesson when they (the americans) find themselves to be slaves under
>> others.

>My thoughts it seems have been taken too strongly by many.

You used strong words.


>What I was trying to get across was the point that Americans are very
>ignorant and self centred. They do not care to know what is happening
>outside the 50 U.S. states.

Are you sure you are not comparing an american behind the grocery
store counter with an Indian graduate student. In my experience, an
American graduate student is as knowledgeable as any other, and an
average Indian high school graduate is as ignorant about the rest of
the world as many people here.

By the way, in this newsgroup, many people have mentioned in the past
that the North Indians are very ignorant and they don't know anything
beyond the Hindi belt. I am sure all these people would disagree with
you that Americans are more ignorant than the Indians. At least these
Americans know about the 50 states.


>They don't know that we do have THREE astro turfs in India ( maybe more).

What an example. The whole american public is ignorant since one
commentator did not know that we have three (yup, THREE for a country
of 880 millions which claim to have hockey as its national sport)
astroturfs. From your statement, it seems to me that even you are not
sure how many astro-turfs we have, so maybe you are also ignorant.

I haven't followed the astro-turf discussion, so this point may have been
made, discussed and thrashed already. It seems to me that even if NBC
were to mention that there are only three astro-turfs in India, the
impression that it would create on a listener would be same. Saying
that there are 0 astro-turfs in India may be technically wrong, but
the impression it gives is almost same as having only 3 astro-turfs
in the whole country. Both 0 and 3 are insignificant numbers when you
compare the number of artificial turfs in this country.


>A lot of you infact majority have in their mail highlighted a lot of
>unplesent things in India, but let me point out that every one only
>knows how to critisize and not improve things.

Yes, it is easy to criticize US for all our problems (including Punjab
and Kashmir) and not improve things in India.

It is also easy to just claim that India is the best country in the
world. It allows us to rationalize our inaction. Afterall, we are
already the best. Why worry about improving things any further.


>I was realy flooded with mail today. I'd rather see it on the net not
>in my mail box.

-dheeraj
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.women,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Abortion and the status of Indian women
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:23:51 GMT
Organization: AT&T

> vkkashya@grand.waterloo.edu (Vijay Kashyap) writes:
> 
> : IMHO, this argument does not hold. It was because Nehru did not have a son.
> : The next PM after assassination of Indira Ghandhi was a man because
> : Rajiv Ghandhi was her son and not her daughter. The point is that it
> : is inheritance that is imporatant here rather than worthness or
> : opportunities for women in India.

While inheritance was important in bringing her to power, what kept her in
power was her political shrewdness and awareness of the world affairs.
She certainly had many traits of a good leader. She was certainly committed
to national unity and growth and was very proud of India and Indian traditions.
She wanted to earn a place of respect for India in the world heirarchy.
She mixed with ordinary as well as extraordinary people and this is what
made her popular.

There was certainly much more to her than her inheritance ...
This was recognized by voters especially when she was reelected after the
emergency period.

She did display authoritarian trends at times and exceeded her bounds, perhaps
out of personal and political insecurity. Hers was a difficult task - to lead
a nation so diverse and so ancient into the modern world. Being a woman, it 
was especially a challenge which she handled quite well considering the 
Indian circumstances and status of women in general in India. Later during her 
political career, she became overconfident of herself on one hand and paranoid 
of the separatism and militancy in Punjab. Her personal domestic problems 
further destabilized her. She became highhanded and erroneous in her ways. 
This is what led to her downfall and that unfortunate day of her assasination ..

Overall she was a woman of substance and not just inheritance.

Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <SHUBU.92Jul23175739@oporto.cs.utexas.edu>, shubu@cs.utexas.edu 
(Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee) writes...
>........ (stuff deleted) ....... 
>Luck!
>-Shubu

 I did not propose any alternative to CPI(M) right now. I just want them
 DE-STABILIZED. Regarding Cong.(I), I am of the opinion that these rascals
 are very obnoxious, but, did not unleash the reign of terror. IMHO, during
 the Emergency, no average citizen was affected. I am not in support of the
 Cong.(I), but, I am not a goddamn stupid commi ! The power can be transferred
 to the Central Govt. and MISA may be imposed and all the murderers/ rapists/
 fraudlent buisnessmen/ drug-smugglers and `political criminals' be thrown into
 the Tihar jail, order and discipline be restored. Let the existing rules be
 imposed. Let all strikes, student unrest and doctor's strike be banned. (Read
 Samit Banerjee's posting.) If we choose to remain indisciplined, by adhering 
 to the stone-walling tactics that you, Aditi and Arindam plus some donkey-
 brained `pseudo-intellectuals' have adopted, then such hypocrisy will get us
 nowhere ! Am I abundantly clear, Mr.Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee ???

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: REQUEST for Info: Buying airline ticket India-US-India
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:42:43 GMT

Thanks for your attention.

My mother-in-law is coming from India this October for a 3-4 month
stay. We are debating whether to buy the ticket here or in India.

I am sure others have been in this situation before and (being the
smart shoppers we are) must have addressed it profitably. 
I request those who have some knowledge or insight into this
'visiting mother-in-law' problem, to please advise me.

Specifically, is it cheaper/easier to buy the ticket here or in
India? Are there any problems in each case?

Thanks in advance,   Satya Prabhakar
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Help on renting a car in Delhi
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:34:47 GMT
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles

In article <1992Jul23.223332.3129@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, be127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Navneet Bhalla) writes:
|> 
|> Hi fellow netters,
|>      I will be going to Delhi in about 6 weeks and don't want 
|> risk driving there.  So do any of you know if I can rent a car
|> and a driver for approx. a month, and what costs might be 
|> involved.  Thanks in advance.  All information will be 
|> appreciated.
|> 
|> Navneet Bhalla
|> McMaster University
|> Hamilton, Ontario
|> Canada
|> 
|> EMAIL: SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA

The last time I checked, you could hire a car with a driver
for Rs 200 per 8-hour period. If you keep the car for more
than 8 hours they charge you by the hour and/or kms.

I'm sure that you can work out a better rate if you hire the
car for an entire month. I suggest that you ask your contact
in Delhi to call around and find you the best rate. Most taxi
services in Delhi run a fleet of private cars for hire.

BTW, this rate was for an Ambassador car. Foreign cars are
more expensive to hire.

Rohit Thukral
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From: nrangan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (N. Ranganathan - Contractor)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:29:14 GMT
Subject: Moving Sale
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian



                               M O V I N G  S A L E
                               --------------------

   Following items are on sale as of 7/24/92. Party moving to India.
   Items must go by 7/30/92.


   Sharp VC-A5640U 4 head Mono VCR                             $160

   1 Coffee Table                                              $25

   1 9 drawer dresser with dressing mirror + 2 bed side
     cabinets with 2 drawers each                              $140

   1 Queen mattress with frame and headbord 1 Year old         $275

   1 Book Shelf 6ft tall with hinged doors at the bottom       $15



   Please contact H.N.Shankar at the following Tel nos.

   (W) 408-733-0480 Ext  226
   (H) 510-796-5420 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: MEN OF EASTERN ORIGIN
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:49:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.132955@daffy.mc.ti.com> a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>Suffice to say that I maintain my original position
>that more than 98% of the MEN of EASTERN origin are SCUMS.

By the same reasoning, most blacks are crooks! ( no offense intended )

>savithri

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: Sick Hindustani's stupid joke
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:26:29 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|> |>>
|> |>>Q: What the hell in this world is "Gujju" ?
|> |>>
|> |>>A:  You take a dozen Jews and mix them together and you will get a
|> |>>"Gujju".  In some cases you have to mix more than a dozen Jews.
|> |> 
|> |> what kind of jews ? Einstein ? Shamir ? Or the lender Shylock ?
|> |                      ~~~~~~~~~
|> |                   WAS HE JEWS??????????????????? 
|> 
|>                     YOU BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Sorry i don't...
| 

    Oops! I forgot to tell you something.
    I understand your anxiety with betting,
    but this is one question, I gurantee, if 
    you bet you'll hit the jackpot of your life!!
    Just think of it.. your whole life will be
    changed!!
    Now before you asked me where you can bet,
    I'm not sure where, but my guess will be
    the local branch of say, KKK or Aryan Nation
    or other similar hate organization!!!
    
    Good luck!

|o o
| |  ?
| =--U
| 
|-always curious.


    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.

|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|>     What does it profit if you gain the world
|>     and loose your soul.
|>                                 -New Testament
-- 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.asian.american
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Family values and the West.
Summary: See also "Extra-marital relationships" and "The changing Indian woman..."
Keywords: Marriage, Family, Industrial, West.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:04:35 GMT

(This subject is related to the two threads (on SCI) : "Extra-marital
relationships" and "The changing Indian woman ---- A woman's 
perspective").

According to Alvin Toffler (in the book "Future shock" or "The Third 
Wave", I do not remember which of the two), marriage (and the
concept of families) becomes a defunct or obsolete institution in 
a super-industrial society. Hence the ancient countries are very 
cautious about letting in some technologies. (and in turn the 
super-industrial West which just _cannot_ look beyond material 
profits, brands such countries as "fundamentalist", "undemocratic", 
"primitive", "barbaric" etc.)

Ironically, we find even the West hankering after "family-values"
these days.  Most technologies current in the West are deleterious for 
maintaining the family values.  Maintaining family values in such a 
society is virtually impossible. So long as the activities of
the Western societies are market-oriented rather than family-oriented,
there is no cure for their ills.

Regards, 

--Sudhi.

P.S. : Before you query me as to why I should refer to the "ills" of 
the Western societies, and whether there is any need to think about 
families at all, you should probably ask the President of this 
country!!!!


--
                       Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
Phone : (318)-232-2198 (r)	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
	(318)-231-6539 (o)                          USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@scrapie.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: US National Debt
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:54:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.194032.1637@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>>I must disagree with you concerning my credentials.  I am adroit at using
>>the Indian biological technique, the Eastern blot.  This technique was
>>pioneered in India's institute of higher learning, as existed before
>>DNA hybridizations.  For those of you wondering what an Eastern blot is, it
>>is when you spill curry on your fresh, white kurta.
>
>Hmm! A Medline search showed no H.I.T.S. I assume that this technique
>has not yet been published. Perhaps Mr. Crick would consider making
>detailed protocols available? How does one probe for specific
>ingredients like mono-unsaturated fatty acids? 
>
>George
>

Like most Indian technology, this one is fairly simple.  It avoids the use of
complicated probes that are fluorescent or radioactive.  The Eastern blot
uses a visible-wavelength detector.  Simply observe the sample for the 
yellow stains on the front of his garment.  That is considered a positive
result.  The brown stains on the lower rear of the garment are artefacts
that can be eliminated by high-stringency washes in a denaturing buffer.

Ed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ramana@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ramana V Devarapalli)
Subject: NSM alumni
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:53:57 GMT

I am trying to contact alumni of NSM Public School,
Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh:

I am  P.S.Srinivas, class of 82.


Please contact me at pochirajus@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu


Thanx.


PS
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ayodhya battle erupts in Parliament
Keywords: Ayodhya Shrine
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:43:53 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

>In article <16951@ulysses.att.com> bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>apnews reports:
>>	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) - Rival lawmakers screamed at each other
>>today in a debate over whether Hindu zealots should be allowed to
>>continue building a temple near a disputed mosque in eastern India.
>>	   Construction began on Thursday in the holy town of Ayodhya by
>>8,000 Hindus who chanted hymns while pouring cement. Many lawmakers
>>fear the work could trigger new Hindu-Muslim riots nationwide.
>>	   Both houses of Parliament adjourned several times when lawmakers
>>favoring and opposing the temple began screaming at one another.
>>	   Many asked the prime minister, P.V. Narasimha Rao, to dismiss
>>the Uttar Pradesh state government for sympathizing with the temple
>>builders. Others said the builders would not be intimidated by
>>anyone.
>>	   Rao conferred with his Cabinet on Thursday night to discuss
>>halting the construction, but he made no announcement.
>>	   The mosque was built 400 years ago by Muslims when they
>>conquered the town and destroyed a Hindu temple. In 1949, Hindu
>>
>I don't think that the above statement was ever proven.

Yes , it was never proved.

bye 
adil
From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: My Father Has Moved On and We Miss HIM terribly
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

This is the most painful note that I have ever written and my heart is
aching intensely. My best friend and most compassionate and loving
person, my father passed on to the Eternal Peace only 2 days ago. It was
my good fortune to be his child and I wish that I could have been with him
in his final moments. He died suddenly but at home in India where he was
comfortable and with my mother on his side. It was  relatively painless
for him, they said,but the void in my heart is acutely painful and he
always comforted me in such times and I miss him terribly.
 Especially for my sister, the agony is more so. She came here for studies
three years ago and was planning on going back this October for Diwali and
being even more attached to him, she now feels cheated by Fate.
  We have tried intellectual rationalising, reading everything from Gita
to John Dunne's "Death Be Not Proud" and lookingat old photos/videos that
have his image. But whatever we do, it still hurts horribly!! The main
distraction comes from the activities of my 15-month old child who plays
with his toys, oblivious to the mountain of grief and guilt we are left
to deal with. He received his grandfather's blessings recently and I am
grateful to the Almighty for making that possible.
 Thank you for sharing our grief and we will pay tribute to him by contn
his social work, making charities to non-religious children's organizatns
and finishing/publishing his literary works. Sincerely, A. Vinayak S.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lawyers !!
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:20:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.182525.8241@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu 
(Jawad Ali) writes...
>..... (stuff deleted) ..... 
>It shows our high degree of literacy, our keenly logical minds,
>a high degree of respect for the law and an accute sense of justice.
                                             ?????? ==> (literacy ???
                                                         my *a..* !!!!)
>And oh, :-)
> 
>j n a

 To answer your exultations: " dont lie on the open net " - Mr.Mustafa
 Ibrahim of Colorado School of Mines (courtsey acknowledged).

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:30:19 GMT

In article <ceOu2_O00WBMM8DDsV@andrew.cmu.edu>, pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I have been a strong advocate of doing away with tuition waivers for
|> most Indian students and replace them with generous loans. However, I
|> find it really unjust on the universities' part to force the students to
|> pay for the previous years of their stay in the U.S.  Making them pay so
|> much money is ridiculous, especially when you have to pay for years you
|> were not covered for.
|> 
|> However, the university is justified a bit in making you go for a
|> comprehensive insurance plan since there is already a big burden on the
|> state to support uninsured foreigners. The only problem is that Penn
|> State seems to have gone off the deep end in it insurance requirements.

In my opinion, the US should pass laws restricting grant of financial aid to
US citizens only. Permanent residents and other foreigners should not be given
federal or state funds in pursuing higher education. In fact, permanent 
residents should pay back whatever universities have spent on them. Also,
the offspring of permanent residents cannot automatically be granted the same
status. They must go through the immigration process just as others too.
That way the snooty attitude of some will undergo a vast change.
From: un107375@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ship Electronic audio equip. to India
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:19:41 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I was wondering if anyone had sent used electronic audio equipment to India. 
If so, what should I do to ship it.  Would Sea-mail be cheaper than Air-mail ?
Is it safer to send it by air than sea ?

Are there any customs duty for equipment that is about 8 years old ?  I live
close to Pittsburgh, PA and would welcome any addresses /phone numbers or other
tips that will be useful.

Thanks in advance

Balu

PS : Please email directly to Balu@wvnrtc.wvnet.edu
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:43:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul26.231637.4092@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes...
>....... (stuff deleted) ....
>But please do something: don't chant destabilize: show how to do it.
>Arindam

 How to do: 

 CPI(M) has lost complete faith amongst the people of West Bengal. They have
 come to power after 1977 in 1982, 1986 and 1991 via simply `booth rigging'
 and threats. This definitely true in Calcutta. In villages rigging is just
 too common. The Central Govt can clearly take care of this, as did Indira
 regime in 1975. If the end is clear, Central Govt. can do it. The Marxist
 rule in Bengal has never yielded any fruitful results - recall 1967 onwards.
 I am NOT saying that Cong.(I) of Indira's time is THE ONLY party to rule. 
 (This party in West Bengal comprised simply of 3rd class opportunists.)

 Such pressures can be put on the Centre via the NRI's and other legimitate
 agencies (recognised by Govt. of India) who own 51% of the share in any sort
 of buisness in India. This, is the 1st essential step, as, GOI will always
 consider viewpoints raised by concerned organizations who are major economic
 investors in India/ West Bengal. I also am confident that people in West Bengal
 will support this, as there is no economic base, and, such is badly needed.

 The above is, IMHO, the important way ! Makes sense, Arindam/ Shubhu ?

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)

P.S: The onus of `showing' the way is not only on me ! You can add/ modify
     to the above. I have stated what I think best. O.K ?
From: natarsu@mse.ogi.edu (N. Sukumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Anyone from Los Alamos .... ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.40641
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering


	Hi ! I would like to contact researchers
at Los Alamos (LANL); I have some queries regarding
the research in some of the groups (MST-5 in particular) 
as well as on the GRA program at LANL.  If you can spare 
some time, please do drop me an email.

Thanks in advance.

-suku.
--
N. Sukumar                   Home Phone: (503)-690-3097
Department of MS&E           Work  "   : (503)-690-1121 (X7451)
Oregon Graduate Institute      ****** BLAZERS IN 1993 ******
From: suresh@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: test
Date: 27 Jul 1992 21:54:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx.

This is a test and please ignore it.