HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hck@crosfield.co.uk (chuck kay hon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK's Rolls Roys per Capita, world's highest
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:19:56 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Nov2.163606.90486@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>In reponse to the following article:
>
>HK has the highest Rolls Roys PER CAPITA in the world; which is the physical
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and the telecom pagers as well.


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From: chu@church.cs.unc.edu (Heng Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Black list and etc.
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:05:45 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <BxL4vp.My4@news.iastate.edu> wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang) writes:

> Although, the number of blacklists has been reduced to
>single digit, it still does exist now. And the same old question many
>of us might ask, are they all really terrorist, or ...?

This is a result of inappropriate laws backing up the wrong doing.
Blacklist is not necessarily bad, it just depends on what it is based
on. I believe most people wish real terrorists on the black list, but
not those 'preparing for sedition'...... I am really interested to
know what people say about those still on the blacklist.

A related subject: we have seen ROC removed the old legislators,
modified the law to, among other things, shrink the blacklist, the
next thing would be to open the electronic mass media channels. From a
friend just from Taiwan the other day, he told me now 'illegal' cables
are prevalent in Taiwan. DPP station (which has several channels) is
one of the largest ones. He doesn't like DPP, but he subscribes to DPP
channels to watch non-political programs (they have a channel
dedicated to political talks). Rumor has it that after the legislative
election the bad on cables will be lifted. Hopefully it won't be too
long before the TV/radio channels are open.

Heng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: parents reaction to dating americans
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 18:46:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92312.144722RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu> <RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hi...Just putting in my two cents on this topic...
>
>The reasons that my parents wouldn't like me dating caucasian men is
>that they are afraid that I wouldn't be happy because of the difference
>in culture, day to day life, and morals.

That is, of course, the party line.  But if you were, as you say, ten when
you arrived here, I submit that in terms of culture, daya to day life
and even morals, you have probably more in common with your Caucasian
classmates than with your Teaching assistant who just arrived from
some small town in China, don't you?

Luc B
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:37:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: mulga.9231213.9081
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

Please ignore any posts or mails from Tim Chuang.

1)  his post is biased.

- destroying government property, with truck loads of rocks and red paints,
  and you call that a "peaceful" rally, and expect the police to do nothing
  to stop it?

- his uncle (or whoever) pushed a police, and hence got arrested, that's
  fair enough.  I wonder if he only just "pushed" the police.

2)  anyway, this person still lives in the 50's.  Especially on his
  criticism of the KMT.  Also his criticizms are unfair, as a lot of what
  he said are quite common in most countries, including the great
  democractic US; like government monitoring his citizens, don't the CIA
  and FBI do that too?  Well, CIA and FBI monitor Other countries' citizens
  as well as their own, I guess  :); etc, etc, etc.  He sent me 20 mails
  within 1 hour one day, and I read some of them... very pathetic.

3)  I also asked him "Are you Chinese", he said "No, I'm not Chinese".
  He is an American who has turned his back on the rest of the Chinese
  speaking communities all over the world.  Ignore him.
  (I can re-post the mail he sent me, if he flamed back denying this)

He's a pathetic anti-chinese American, please ignore him.

In Hong Kong, we call him "Short Circuit" !!!  :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:07:37 GMT

In article <9231412.15811@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>It's interesting that Tim Chuang (the American) didn't actually answer
>the question.  :-)
>
>All he said was "My uncle is a resident of Tainan, Taiwan".  My goodness,
>lots of "guei lo" are residents of Taiwan, too.  :)
	  ^^^^^^^

Please, no racist epithets; we the Chinese people have been the target of many
racist epithets; please do not perpetrate this by using them against others.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Subject: Re: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 02:28:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov8.011122.19573@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong  
Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>      [Temas pli junula gravedeco.]
> 
>      The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
> pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
> I believe that (I complained a lot about this in certain discussion-
> groups) it is the responsibility of every adult -- especially those
> adults who think that they are adult and see romantically/sexually
> liberal movies and magazines.  They create a market and culture for
> the young to get exposed to.  And look! their young gets infected with
> ideas which their society had to deal with.  And money cannot pay to
> remedy this.
> 
> 						Zhong

      what's the punchline?
      i think this article is full of nothing but ambiguity.
      you're saying that taiwan is china? or you are not a chinese??
      why is the teenage pregnancy "western winds"?
      What is the punch-line ?
From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: DATA: rail mileage of the nations
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:07:06 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Rail mileage of the nations in the world
Source: AsiaWeek, October 30, 1992
================================================================================
Trains are a national development strategy: Japan, India and the Soviet Union
embraced them, the Philippines and the U.S. did. Modest growth was the rule
during the 1980s, with big gains in China, Egypt an Nigeria.
================================================================================
1984 Rank	1991 Rank	Country		Rail-Passenger KM (000s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1		1		Soviet Union	414000
2		2		Japan		361795
4		3		China		303700
3		4		India		263400
5		5		Germany		64585
6		6		France		63588
7		7		Poland		50376
8		8		Italy		44328
14		9		Egypt		34876
10		10		Romania		33506
9		11		Britain		33316
11		12		South Korea	25104
16		13		United States	20837
15		14		Pakistan	20724
13		15		Czechoslovakia	19335
17		16		Spain		15480
19		17		Brazil		15264
12		18		South Africa	15196
21		19		Argentina	13253
18		20		Hungary		11879
20		21		Yugoslavia	11585
22		22		Thailand	10936
24		23		Switzerland	10884
23		24		Netherland	10162
27		25		Austria		8464
25		26		Taiwan		8145
================================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: (1). He's a virgin?  (2). Big Breast?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.192756.8849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>OK, that's our women's turn now.  Once a girl told me that she won't marry a
>virgin because "I am a virgin, so if I marry a guy who is also a virgin, oh,
>god, how will it be?  There should be someone who know how to do it, right?"
>Oh, well, how do you girls think of it?
>
>"Well, but you can't check, honey." I said.  "Ya, that's the most unfair part
>of it while men 'can check' us. 

	I personally think that every (almost) girl check their male-friends'
	body figure visually too. Maybe it's subconscious behavior and I 
	don't think there's anything wrong with it.
 
>They even can measure the size of our breast
>by eyes!"  she said reluctantly.  Ok, so the new question pops out: do you men
>like to marry a big-breast women?
>
	This question is rather subjective though. Among my friends, some
	of them like slim girls, some of them like voluptous girls. I dunno
	why this "men like big-breast women" is been used on Chinese men too,
	I think most of the Chinese male still like oriental-looking girls
	and "small size" (body figure) seems to be a major character of 
	oriental girls. Anyways, anyone who is mature enough will never care
	whether his wife's (or her husband's) breast (or bill) is big enough
	or not. 

>I wanna tell you my opinion, but please, don't attack me :)
>--Yes, men like big-breast women because they have Oedipus complex.
>
>--Christine

	??? You mean big-breast or old women? Hmmm..., I don't see
	any relevance between big-breast and oedipus complex.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: suho@cs.cornell.edu (Su-Ho Hwang)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:17:50 GMT

wbchen@cs.cornell.edu (Wang-Bor Chen) wrote,

>               +---+      +--+
> Men always    |   |      |--|
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>                         ---+---      /  \  0  | 0     _|  |_
>                         /  |__      /    \____|       _|  |_
>                        / \ |                          _|  |_
>                       /   \____                        |  |
>
>
>
>         WB,Chen
>         -------
>


I think this discussion happened once before, and this was the conclusion
then.
From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Small talk from Taiwan
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:41:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

My mailbox was flooded with mails echoing my "Hello from Taiwan" posting
last Monday (Nov. 2, 1992).  So, it really got through USENET in spite of
the long delay (4 days).  Some netters asked about what SEEDNET is; I posted
an article on that, and if it is necessary I can post it again.  However,
you may be much better informed about SEEDNET by anonymous-ftp from
139.175.1.12 or 139.175.1.9; those are the IP addresses of SEEDNET servers.

A netter asked me about the computer-related job market in Taiwan. 
It is not very booming because of the world economy.  Two major PC
makers, Chia-Chia (JiaJia in Pinyin) and Kuo-Sheng (GuoSheng) had
severe financial problems (resulted from too many stocks ?) last summer.
It was like a typhoon for the PC business in Taiwan.  The company which
I am working for is a PC motherboard maker.  The profit margin of motherboards
is close to 0.0%.  Therefore, many companies explore other areas such as
multimedia PC (include many solutions besides Microsoft's MPC(R)).
Presenetly, I am a MS-Windows(TM) programmer hacking code on Chips and
Technologies' PC Video(R) controller. 

According to the statistics of the Ministry of Finance, the average
household income of Taipei residents last year is NT$800,000.
The salary for an entry-level programmer with a MS degree is about
NT$35,000 in Taipei and NT$33,000 in Hsin-Chu industry area.
The figure is generated from just a few samples that I know, though.

Since my supervisor is after me this morning, I have to quit writing
news here.  Talk to you guys/gals later.


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From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: DATA: economic powers of the world today
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:29:13 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

World economic powers
Source: Report on Business Magazine, January 1991
================================================================================
Country		GNP(US$bn)	GNP($) per Capita	Population (mn)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
USA		5900		23,350			252.7
Japan		3360		27,030			124.5
Germany		1700		21,500			79
France		1210		22,420			56.6
Italy		1180		20,450			57.8
Soviet		1010		3,470			291
UK		922		16,010			57.6
Canada		636		23,800			26.7
Spain		532		13,450			39.5
Brazil		500		3,300			153.4
China		398		348			1140
Australia	327		18,920			17.3
India		307		367			837
Netherland	294		19,710			14.9

South Korea	291		5,850			43.2

Taiwan		183		8,970			20.2

HongKong	79.5		13,500			5.9

Singapore	39.3		14,300			2.75
================================================================================
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:18:04 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.8

chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:

>     [Temas pli junula gravedeco.]

>     The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
>pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
>I believe that (I complained a lot about this in certain discussion-
>groups) it is the responsibility of every adult -- especially those
>adults who think that they are adult and see romantically/sexually
>liberal movies and magazines.  They create a market and culture for
>the young to get exposed to.  And look! their young gets infected with
>ideas which their society had to deal with.  And money cannot pay to
>remedy this.

>						Zhong

My worries point to another direction: voluntary infertility of educated
Chinese on the Chinese mainland--this happens in Singapore and possibly in
Taiwan as well but that is not my concern at the moment. This could also be 
also be called "deterioration of Western winds". :-)

Who's resposibility is it then?

J. Gao
From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:29:14 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <CLAUDE.92Nov11175710@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
>Should this be true? I have discussed it with many taiwanese friends
>of mine here in Tokyo (male and female) and all of them were very
>assertive about how  important would be to marry a "virgin
>woman" in Taiwan. A friend of mine said if a woman is not virgin
>would be a kind of shame to marry a taiwanese.
>
>Could someone tell more about sexual behaviours in Taiwan? 

	Hahaha, what are they, living in the dark ages?  That's the funniest
thing I've heard so far in this newsgroup.  I think the mainstream Taiwanese
society has advanced beyond this.  I know my cousins in Taiwanese
universities spend a big chunk of their time screwing chicks.  Wish I can say
the same thing for myself.
my $.02

Bo-Yi Lin
bl@ocf.berkeley.edu
blin@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:08:20 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: kao@sun-28.cae.wisc.edu


In article <tchuang.721097037@cello.ecn.purdue.edu>, tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim D. Chuang) writes:

|> 
|> If you believe police brutality should be allowed in a country, than I am
|> sorry that your beliefs and values could be so cruel.  Maybe you should apply
|> for a job in the PRC.  They love to hire people who think as you do.
|> 
|> People who think as you do, allow the Kuomingtang to continue imprisoning and
|> torturing people.
|> 
|> Tim Chuang


I don't believe police brutality should be allowed just as I don't believe
brutality against police (or anyone else) should be allowed.

Facts are several polices are severely hurt and those who hurt those police
should face the justice system.

It is such a joke to accuse the KMT "continue imprisoning and torturing people"
in current time.

You still live in the mind set of 1980s. 
Times change, the world change, KMT change, why people like you can't change.

It is people likes you, who  accuse people a commie without justification, who 
think themself are above the law, who can't tolerate other people opinion, who
claim themself stand for the people are responsiple for the suffering of
taiwanese people in the past.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:39:55 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <YCHEN.92Nov11122510@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu>, ychen@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen) writes:
> In article <kqB=SB@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 
> >  "KMT brain washed Chinese?"  I don't know If I am one of them or not.
> > All I know is that we are trying to improve our society with the installation
>                      ^^
> > of democracy while other people are trying to take it away with violence.  
> 
> Just some questions about your statement:

> Who are "we"? Do they include the KMT party? 

	"We"  From the way, you write your post, you probably don't want to be 
included.  

	"We"  == "We the people" that includes KMT, DDP, other political
political party, me, someone else and anyone else who would like to improve 
democracy non-violently. 

> 

> What did you do to improve the democracy? Show some facts. 

	1.  Lifting the Marshall Law allowing other political party 
	to be formed.

	2.  Abolishing of the Blacklist... Currently in the works.

	3.  Demilitarization of Kingmen and Matsu.  Returning the 
	Island to local democratic control control.  Recently.

	4.  Allowing Direct Business investment in China.  (People
	wanted, the government approved it. "governemt = KMT+DDP+OTHERS")

	5.  Amnesty given to political prisoners. (Release George Chang because
	some people wanted it.) 

	on and on and on and on and on and on and on.......   

	Want more?  Read the newspaper. 

- C. H. Yang
 
> 
> ychen
>
From: mh6m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Min-Jung Ruby Hsieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: ?????
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:43:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cf0Mm1q00iV3I6bIQk
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Could someone out there explain to me what is it about this bboard?  I
am a new reader of this bboard, and feel VERY out of place.  Also, I
would like to make some "net-friends" since I believe most of us are
from the same country.

:-)


Ruby
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:35:38 GMT

>In article <9231614.118@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>
>Western Christian standard.  We, easterners, are not obligated to observe
>standards that are set under Christian/Western influences; and that's why

	Being an `easterners', I don't know who/what defines `our'
	standard? -- Budda? Confuscius? Well, I know none of their saying
	contradicts this `western standard' about human rights.
	What is this standard that I have not heard of that encourages
	or thinks nothing of human right abuses? 

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Mr. Chuang
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:43:19 GMT
Organization: IBM

In article <1992Nov4.062912.20383@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim D. Chuang) writes:
>
>There were 400 to 500 riot police armed with billy clubs and shields
>against 40 to 50 peaceful demonstrators.  Two of the ten taken were

These mobs were by no means peaceful. They were violent, hostile, just
like mobs in the rest of the world. The local Chinese newspaper has clearly
shown the picture of the roller crushing over the roadblocks. Could this
be called a peaceful demonstration? I guess this gentleman has not seen any
peaceful demonstration before. Peaceful demonstration is supposed to be
like people carrying signs, chanting slogans, and/or lying down in the
middle of the road to block the traffic, waiting for the police to move them
out, and those sort of things.

>hospitalized.  My uncle has suffered bruises all over his body.  While
>he has been imprisoned, the police have been forcing him to take a toxic
>medicine which will supposedly remove the bruises from his body.  In

Although medicine is not my line of business, I could project an outright
lie from this gentleman that police would inject toxic medicine to
"remove the bruises" from the body. Some medical experts please confirm this.

Possible explanation could be sedatives to calm down a violent !@#$%*.

>actuality this medicine will actually break down his health.  The police 
>do not want the press to take pictures of his bruised body.  That is why
>he is still imprisoned.  My father has seen the bruises all over his arms
>back, legs and hips.  My uncle can not walk without a painful limp.
>

I am confused. Is he hospitalized or imprisoned? Or, both.
After the violent jubilee, you'll wonder if he got no bruises.

>He is 62 year old man who has suffered much in his lifetime.  His eldest
>son was killed by a drunk driver.  If your consciousness can take accusing
>this innocent man of wrong, than I am sorry that you would be so heartless
>and cruel.
>

Your cousin's death is irrelevant to this issue. Though I felt sorry for it.
The "you" must be the KMT "spies" and CCP comrades.

>You have no evidence to level your accusations.  Go back to the KMT and
>collect your pay check if you wish, but leave my family alone.
>

I wonder if KMT would pay me a dime for refuting you.
I hope IBM could give me a pay raise soon. 8=)

>--
>	T.I.M. Ding Chuang           __|  |      |-|  |+_     /|\  +


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