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From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: ..people...rarely themselves
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:15:42 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Apr4.124153.1186@bvc.edu>, vanmetergeor@bvc.edu 
(PSICat) writes:
 
> 	I have heard once that anybody we see in a dream are but the
> personification of different aspects of ourselves, we see in that other 
> person.  Thus when we see a person we know we relate that person in our 
> subcon. as reflection of ourselves.  This makes basically everthing in
> a dream an extension of ourselves and reflections.  

I find that idea a very fruitful approach in
interpreting my dreams, but I wouldn't want to say it
was the only possible approach. In dreams, and
therefore in interpreting dreams, multiple
possibilities can exist at the same time. It is good to
say not "either / or", but "this and that too". 

The Gestalt approach to understanding dreams is 
related. That is the approach where you act out to 
yourself the roles of each of the characters (or 
things) in your dream, and so find out how they feel, 
and what they are saying.

>                                                This of course also
> destroys some of the mystic quality of a dream. 

I don't see why. I suppose it depends on what you mean 
by "mystical", but I think the depths of the mind are 
one of the greatest sources of the mystical.

>                                                    Thus I don't hold 
> totally to this theory), but the previous message made me think of it.

Yes, my feelings too.
 
Take care
Ronno
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For dreams and reason, against authority and untested belief.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ronni@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Vrykolakas)
Subject: Re: Do dreams hurt?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:48:37 GMT

In <1992Apr6.140415.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> sleibowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu (Smiling Wolf) writes:

>I vividly remember having a dream once where someone shot me in th back with
>a futuristic star-wars-esque gun.  The sensation was one of the most
>excrutiatingly painful it has ever been my misfortune to experience.  When I
>awoke (a few seconds after), the pain was slowly fading to a dull ache, which
>persisted for somewhat less than an hour.  I could find no external cause for
>the sensation (nothing had landed hard on my spine in my sleep).

>Has anyone else ever experienced "real" pain in a dream that could not be 
>attributed to outside sources?  (Please e-mail me privately with results, as
>I read this list very infrequently).


Well I have experienced many different pains, including waking up to find that
I have managed to scare myself silly and was shaking trying to catch my
breath and holding my sides.  The body is very capable of re-producing
pain sensations.


Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: alk4@quads.uchicago.edu (Alex L. Karan)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucidity Perchance Visited
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: alk4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I have only recently figured out what "lucid dreams" are,
and by golly, I think I had one.

I was dreaming my way through an asylum (not a nice place)
and talking to a person I knew was insane.
Imagery and information from "Silence of the Lambs"
kept creeping in.
I felt fear, the kind that surges forward
in dreams.
Now, folks I wasn't aware that I was dreaming yet.
Then we came in a room (I knew it was the BAD room)
and I saw someone sleeping in bed.
I knew someone had come in behind me,
,
(someone not nice).
So I bent over and whispered to the sleeping person:
this is a nasty place and time, better wake up.

And at this point I woke up.
Interesting.
From: jperedo@purcell.helios.nd.edu (jayme peredo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Attention lucid dreamers, help wanted.
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:45:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.224530.21782
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <30279@cbmvax.commodore.com> smurt@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Smurthwaite - CSG) writes:
>
>  If anyone knows of research in this area that's already been done, please
>email or post.
>  Thanks,
>  Bill Smurthwaite
>

I, too, would appreciate any information in this area.

Thanks!

--jayme
From: v116qhth@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (WE'RE FIGHTING A WAR, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FOR..)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Madonna
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  Last night I had a dream that Madonna was in my room with me and my roommates
I had her autograph a True Blue album I just bought. I don't remember exactly 
what it said, but I remember reading the actual words in the dream. All I
remember about the signature was she referred to me as God in it. I turned to
my roommate and said,"I told you I would meet Madonna some day." Which I have 
said, and do believe, repeatedly to them in real life. Anyway the only other 
part of this dream that I remember is that we spent the entire rest of the dream
trying to convince Madonna not to eat FSA food. Can someone please tell me
what this means. Whenever I ask my psychology major roommate he says it's 
about sex, which it usually and may be true, but I would like more of
an explanation than that.

				Lance the more Liberal than you'll ever be
				(I even went on a triple date last night,
				and one of the couples was a bisexual friend
				of mine and his boyfriend, in public)
From: robynn1@hotspur.gac.edu (Robyn Ness)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Poetry conceived while dreaming.
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:31:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr11.173151.800

In article <1992Apr10.025558.10909@husc3.harvard.edu>  writes:
> The other day I woke up from an afternoon nap with two stanzas of a  
fairly
> involved non-rhyming poem in my head, sort of "visible" but fading  
rapidly.
> 
> I switched on my Mac and entered as much as possible, then finished the
> poem with my conscious mind... it's not a great poem, but it's sort of 
> interesting.
> 
> Has this ever happened to anyone else?
> 
> I'll e-mail a copy of the poem if people are interested.
> 
Samuel Taylor Coleridge wrote "Kubla Khan" after seeing it in written form  
in one of his dreams.  If I recall correctly, before he could write it all  
down someone knocked on his door for a visit.  By the time this person  
left, Coleridge had forgotten the rest of the poem.  Of course, he was  
also addicted to laudanum at the time...
Robyn
From: debrag@mattys.EBay.Sun.COM (Debra Giberson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Using Dreams
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:16:20 GMT
Reply-To: debrag@mattys.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mattys.ebay.sun.com


I am a recovering Drug Addict, and everytime I try and
quit smoking(in real life), I have bad using dreams,
where I would actually relapse and use speed or Cocaine.
I really want to quit smoking, but I've used these
dreams in the past as an excuse not to quit. When i smoke,
once in a while I will have a dream that someone will
offer me drugs, but I turn it down. But when I try to quit
smoking, I have these dreams where I don't even care or
think about recovery, I just go for the drugs and worry
about it after the fact. This morning when I awoke, I was
almost convinced that I had relapsed. That is how vivid
this dream was. Please reply.

Debra Giberson
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: msigling@isis.cs.du.edu (Matthew Siglinger)
Subject: my dream
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:48:47 GMT

Hey dudes,

I had this really strange dream that a girl I didn't know was threatening
to commit suicide.  She was holding a gun to her head saying, "I'm really
going to do it."  Then I just yelled, "I don't give a shit so do it I don't 
care."  She then pointed the gun at me so I simply walked up to her, took the
gun out of her hand, and (this is the wierd part) I started singing "Sex Machine" by James Brown.  What does this mean?

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kapitan@cs.uwp.edu (Andrea Kapitan)
Subject: Re: Reading in Dreams
Keywords:  reading
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:10:24 GMT

I've read writing in a dream once. It was a whole sentence. When I woke
up I could remember only one or two words though, instead of the whole
sentence. Sometimes one word has been significant and I've seen it written
on a chalkboard and rembered it; other times I got it scrambled trying to
remember it later.

I think anything is possible in dreams, just like in life, even more so.
-andrea

-- 
kapitan@cs.uwp.edu

If only GOD would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit
in my name at a Swiss bank...
From: lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh;Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Do dreams hurt?
Keywords: YES THEY DO!
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:18:34 GMT
Reply-To: ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!YOURCOMPUTER.austin.ibm.com!YOURLOGIN
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

hi there...

why, yes, not too long ago i had a dream during which i woke up feeling a 
great deal of pain....here's what happened...

i was riding in a car with 3 other people (btw, my roommate tells me
that the fact that i was in the back of this car rather than driving reflects 
my not being in control of situations, and letting others lead me)

...anyway, a man on the side of the freeway waved at us as if for help, and 
naturally we stopped...he leaned into a window of the car and muttered
something
very cruel and nasty about our imminent demise and then proceeded to
shoot us all...i *felt* the shots in my thigh and my lower abdomen and
immediately woke up in tears, with pain in those very places!

it's true!

Lisa
  
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From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Fishy dream
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:00:16 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Apr11.122806.29572@nmt.edu>, jmarlan@titan.nmt.edu 
(Jon Marlan) writes:
 
> I had a pretty strange dream last night.  I dreamt that 
> I still had my ten gallon aquarium and in it, along with
> some of my old fish, was a fair sized 12-inch trout.  It
> obviously did not have much room to move about in.  I 
> noticed after a while that this fish was hurting itself
> and was starting to bleed a little bit.  After a while 
> it was nearly dead.  I put my hand in the aquarium and 
> it squirmed away from my hand.  Soon afterward, it was
> dead.
>   
> After it had died, I did not immediately fish (pardon 
> the pun) him out -- I'm not sure why I waited.  I remember
> looking at it and seeing my other (much smaller) fishes
> eat parts of him (pretty gross).  One of these fishes, 
> I think it was either a Zebra Danio or a Black Skirt Tail,
> took a strand of him and tugged on the fish like it 
> was made of cotton -- the fish began to unravel.  I decided
> that it was time to get the fish out.  Well, by this time
> the fish had turned green and was barely recognizable.  I
> threw it away in disgust.   
> 
> Does anyone have any insight into this rather morbid dream?
> Could it have possibly stemmed from the fact that I had a 
> bad reaction to some tuna fish I ate the other day?  
> 
> 
> Jon

Firstly let me start with my usual disclaimers. You are 
always the best person to interpret your own dreams, 
and what anyone else says might or might not be 
appropriate. It is up to you to see if the suggestions 
fit or not.

A number of methods you might like to use in
interpreting a dream: 

(1) If you were to give the dream a name what would it
be? 

(2) think about what lies behind the events of the
dream -- try and ask yourself non literal minded
questions and 

(3) try to act out to yourself (perhaps as a dialogue)
the roles played by each of the items in the dream. If
they were characters explaining themselves in a drama,
what would they say? 

In (3) you could act out the roles of the big fish, the 
tank, the Zebra Danio, and yourself watching.

With all that said, I would suggest that you might be 
the fish, and feel imprisoned in a tank too small for 
you. The tank is one you once owned, so perhaps you 
feel imprisoned in something left over from your past. 
The tank might be old ideas, an old social situation, 
the family, or a number of things. You could probably 
say which. The dream seems to be saying that the 
constricting situation is leading towards an unpleasant 
transformation (and disgust).

How do these ideas fit? Interpreting is a two way 
thing, so can you let me know how you feel.

Take care
Ronno
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For dreams and reason. Against authority and beliefs.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: icsg0039@cs.montana.edu (Charles)
Subject: Re: dying in dreams
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:28:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.011701.22015@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mayor@ic15.umeeng writes:
>In article 7285@ccu.umanitoba.ca, mayor@ic15.umeeng (Cam "You didn't see me!" Mayor) writes:
>>
>>Here's one of my "dreams about being dead" that I dug out of my files.  It 
>>meant a lot to me (ie. I learned a lot from it), but may have no significance
>>to me.  The file is written to my friend rich, so it may seem as if I'm talking
>   ^^^^
>>to you.
>
>You mean "you", you dolt!

    Flaming yourself??  That's a new one.  ;-)

>
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-- 
    ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : icsg0039@cs.montana.edu   <=---
         "The wizard wore a silver rainbow for his cloak."  - a dream.
 "The diameter in whole style means the shortest diameter measured transversely
 to the longitudinal axis at the greatest circumference of the pickle." -USDA
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Madonna
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:17:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.correct

In article <1992Apr10.220606.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>  
sleibowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu (Smiling Wolf) writes:
> First, a minor disclaimer.  THIS IS NOT A FLAME!  It's just that having read  
it
> over, I realized that I'm just testy enough for it to be interpreted as such. 
> I sincerely hope that no one takes offense at anything I say.

[dream & comments deleted]

> > 				Lance the more Liberal than you'll ever be
> > 				(I even went on a triple date last night,
> > 				and one of the couples was a bisexual friend
> > 				of mine and his boyfriend, in public)
> 
> At the risk of making this post read like a flame (it isn't), I'm not
> impressed.  If you were as liberal as all that, it wouldn't have been that 
> big a deal to you.

  For that matter, if he were so liberal, he would have been the one
  with the boyfriend.  :-)  Or perhaps we're missing what he meant
  by "triple date".... Menage a six, perhaps?  Orgy, perhaps?  Now
  *that* would be liberal!  :-)

  Followups to alt.politics.correct.

--
Nik Gervae
Software Publications
ngervae@next.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Subject: Re: Message in a dream
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:03:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.050057.257@uwm.edu> kapitan@cs.uwp.edu (Andrea Kapitan) writes:
>In article <13APR199215271337@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scandal@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>>My girlfriend was telling me that she had this very scary dream about a 
>>spirit trying to contact her.  At first she thought the spirit was evil and 
>>wanted to stay away from it. But something drew her towards it and let her 
>>
>>Any ideas???
>Just let her know that she is equally as powerful as this spirit and that
>she can accept or reject anything it says or does; also if she believes in
>spirits she can ask other good ones to come and help her if it happens
>again. If she doesn't believe in them, then maybe stay away from the
>situation altogether. If it doesn't go away then maybe she should talk to
>some people that are really into that. Someone mentioned channeling in a
>previous article, maybe they could help somehow.
>>
>>Renee
>-andrea
>
>-- 
>kapitan@cs.uwp.edu

 While agree that this dream can be awfully frightening, I don't think it's
a good idea to automatically assume that it has serious supernatural meaning.
I'm not at all saying that the idea is ridiculous, I just think that it's a
little early to assume a *spirit* is trying to contact this dreamer.  It
may very well be that she picked up the god's name subconsciously; we
obviously know the tremendous amount of informations that can be picked up
this way.  However, the advice is exactly right.  Try to play on the level
of whatever is bothering you in this dream.  Remember, though, not everyone
can exercise this kind of dream control.  If you can, however, communication
will be much easier (whether the communication is with your brain, or a 
spirit, or *whatever* :) ).  Good luck!

-- 
"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
				-Leon Trotsky
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jmchale@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Jean McHale)
Subject: Re: Reading in Dreams
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:50:01 GMT

  I remember a dream once that was almost all reading.  It was fairy tale
sort of story with 2 children, a boy and a girl. I was a teen ager, or
maybe in college, when I had this dream. I can't remember the story
now, but I did when I woke up and I wrote down what I remembered.  I'll
have to look in my old things and see if I still have it.  My sense
when I woke up was that it was a novel to be written (I am not a writer).
jeanie
.
From: noble@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Brewer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Do dreams hurt?
Keywords: YES THEY DO!
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:12:51 GMT
Organization: NCSU CATT Prog

In article <1992Apr7.201834.27663@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!YOURCOMPUTER.austin.ibm.com!YOURLOGIN writes:
>hi there...
>

>something
>very cruel and nasty about our imminent demise and then proceeded to
>shoot us all...i *felt* the shots in my thigh and my lower abdomen and
>immediately woke up in tears, with pain in those very places!

	I always wake up when dreaming about being shot at, but never 
have felt pain.  I always wondered what dreaming about dieing would be like. 
(As close to "flatliners" as I want to get :)


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noble@catt.ncsu.edu
From: mayor@ic14.umeeng (Cam "You didn't see me!" Mayor)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Poetry conceived while dreaming.
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: mayor@ic14.umeeng
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 10909@husc3.harvard.edu, filippi1@husc9.harvard.edu (David Filippi) writes:
>The other day I woke up from an afternoon nap with two stanzas of a fairly
>involved non-rhyming poem in my head, sort of "visible" but fading rapidly.
>
>Has this ever happened to anyone else?
>

Oh yes.  I keep a micro-recorder near my bed for recording anything that happens
to wander out of my mouth.  Once I captured some poety.  I makes some sense to
me, but woo-woo does it sound strange!
 
cam
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From: jperedo@vyasa.helios.nd.edu (jayme peredo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream Control and Sharing
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.185607.25472
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Hi there!

This is my first posting to this group, so I don't know if this
subject has gone around (although I'd bet it has).

Do people commonly have control of their dreams?  If so, how much?

Also, do people have stories of "sharing" dreams with another
person? Is this even possible?

The reason I ask is, I'm writing a short story for a fiction class
in which I have two brothers--Siamese twins joined at the chest--
and they share their dreams.  In waking life, one is more dominant, but
in dreamlife, the other, with pent up frustrations against his
brother, has pretty much complete control. Eventually, this brother
becomes sadistic and does his best to harm his twin in their shared
dreams.

If anyone could give me some insight into dream control and dream
sharing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.


--jayme
From: filippi1@husc10.harvard.edu (David Filippi)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream-induced poem.
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:33:07 GMT
Distribution: alt.dreams
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

The dream-text sort of fades out around the middle of the third stanza;
what follows probably isn't even suitable for rec.arts.poems.
Oh well.
~
------------------

I am an AcidFernist.
You cannot deny me.
I cultivate many kinds of horticulture.
I am a gardener of dangerous and monstrous plants.
I am being eaten alive by AcidFerns.

There are no such things as AcidFerns.
My life is long and I have never heard of them.
They did not teach of them at the Great University.
I see you are only a child.
Do not deny my wisdom.
AcidFerns do not exist.

Existence is reality translated into thought.
You speak the language of a baby.
The AcidFern is true and sublime.
Let the bastards run me up and down.
I am a priest of AcidFerns.

This latest blasphemy is too good to be true.
Why don't you settle down and come in from the heat?
I had hoped you would learn from the old spotted dog.
A thousand curses on these falsehoods without meaning.
We must move to eradicate that which means little to us.

All hail the running AcidFerns, true and sublime.
The unbelievers will never know the pungent harmonies.
Though they mock me, they can never subjugate or undo what is true.
Soon it will grow dark outdoors.
Father will come home and they will turn on the reality of the TV set.
I hope they do not send me to bed without supper.

-- 1/27/92 3:21 PM
"AcidFerns"
David Filippi (c) 1992

My text editor is doing very ugly things to this article:
I hope it turns out allright.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: re: leaves and tornados
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:22:43 GMT

1)  "Do not judge the falling of the leaves by the ripples on the lake."
Maybe it's my education orientation, but "judge" to me means evaluate.
The ripples would indicate impact.  So maybe this could mean something
like "Don't evaluate how a person lives their lives by the degree of
impact they have on society."  (Sorry, that's illiterate -- I surely
meant "people live."  Oh well, it's my first post to this group!)

2)  When I was about ten years old, I dreamed that I was at the kitchen
table eating supper with my family when the radio announced a tornado
watch.  All at once the lights went out, and my father said, "Guess we
will all have to go to bed."  We did, and as I lay in my bed, I looked
out the window and saw miniature tornados (about 2' tall) swirling about
in the yard.  They made a great roaring noise, but didn't cause any
destruction; the noise frightened me, and I woke up.
    A few evenings after that I was at the kitchen table eating supper
with my family when the radio announced a tornado watch.  All at once
the lights went out, and my father said, "Guess we will all have to go
to bed."  I said, "OH NO, WE WON'T!!!!" and told them about my dream.
Everyone thought it was pretty funny.  (Incidently, no tornados came
that evening.)

Jan
csjan@ux1.cts.eiu.edu