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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Tampa & Miami
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:46:56 GMT

allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) wrote:
>wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>>Why is Miami bound for success without even selecting a team, let alone playing
>>a game, while the reverse is true for Tampa? I guess the owners will buy
>>players and fans with all that money. Maybe they will buy the refs to make the
>>team good just in case.

>Miami has better financial backing than Tampa. Blockbuster Video can help
>pay the team's bills while it is a young, struggling francise. And there
>is also the marketing ability of Blockbuster.

But the question remains: Why will that make the franchise succeed whereas
Tampa's won't? Fans won't flock to Miami's arena and not to Tampa's because
the owners have money. Maybe if they have lower ticket prices because they
don't need the revenue as badly. If they fork over money for talent, then it
is the talent that is attracting the fans.

>(Can you say 'California
>Golden Seals'?)

Sure I can pronounce it. We are talking about a different era of the league
back then. Several franchises moved, not just CGS.

>>The next two expansion locations have to consider, above all else, long term
>>stability of the league. This means another team will need to be added out
>>west to allow Winnipeg into the Norris where it belongs. If Toronto is moved
>>as people say, the other team could be anywhere in the eastern US or Canada.
>>As much as people don't like it, I think a team in Texas would be the wise
>>choice. Not because I want hockey there, but to make travel easier on the
>>teams that are traveling to Florida (particularly from the west).

>I've never heard of Toronto moving. Seems quite unlikely to me. They may
>get a bigger arena, but I doubt the Leafs will go to another city.

I was referring to Toronto in the same vein as Winnipeg: movement to another
division. In the case of Toronto, they may go to the Adams. They've been in
the league 76 years. They aren't relocating.

Tom
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From: smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale)
Subject: Re: Bruins, Canadiens, Adams in general
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:45:40 GMT

In article <1gamcjINN9hq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> patchman@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper) writes:
>
>
>I've followed some of the recent discussion about the Adams division and
>particularly Montreal and Boston.  I am a Canadiens fan and a part-time 
>Bruins hater (I will get outrageously insulting if I'm talking to someone
>who has no idea what they're talking about or if I'm just goofing), but I
>am capable of realizing the strengthes and weakneses of a team.
>
>What I'd like to attempt to do is to discuss the strengthes and weaknesses
>of each of the teams in the Adams Division.  Serious discussion is welcomed,
>in fact, incouraged.  Flames can be directed to rec.go.fuck.yourself as I 
>have no use for comments about how the water is affecting my brain.  Not to
>mention that I live in Massachusetts, closer to Boston than to Montreal.
>
>Anyways, here we go:
>
>....lots of thoughtful analysis deleted......
>
Thank you, Pete, for bringing some sanity to an otherwise useless and
completely juvenile flame war! While I might disagree on a few minor
points you raised, I think you captured the essence of the Adams
division. Anyone else care to provide their thoughts on the other
divisions as we arrive at the first third of the season?
  
Bryan
  
 
>-Pete
>
>
>
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>*   I can do anything!             *   Worcester Polytechnic Institute  *
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Stan Fischler, 12/17
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:29:18 GMT


From the Islanders pregame show tonight ...

* Ottawa lost their mascot tonight; their $100,000 guy in a lion suit
walked after a disagreement with management prior to the game with the
Detroit Red Wings.

* A possible referees rebellion with their new contract coming up ...
Don Koharski was forced to do the Tuesday Rangers game despite a torn 
left knee ligament.

* Manon Rheaume has a movie contract and a book for Harper-Collins
coming up.

* Tie Domi is bitter about the way the Rangers are treating him and
wants out of New York.

* Ex-Capitals GM Gary Green has landed the parking and concessions for
the Miami franchise.

* Mel Lowell of the Lightning wants some kind of compensation for the
new Miami franchise.

* Winnipeg has presented an offer to the Bruins: Joe Juneau and Glen
Wesley for Phil Housley.  The Bruins told the Jets to take a hike.

gld
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From: silver@masg1.epfl.ch (Edward Silver)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Swiss Hockey
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:50:01 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

There is a break in the schedule until after the New Year.


League National A (after 23 games for each team)

   Team         Points

1.Kloten          32
2.Fribourg        31
3.Berne           30
4.Ambri           30
5.Zoug            28
6.Lugano          25
7.Bienne          21
8.Zurich          17
9.Ajoie           12
10.Coire           4


League Nationale B (after 22 games for each team)

   Team         Points

1.Davos           32
2.Rapperswil      29
3.Olten           27
4.Bulach          27
5.Martigny        26
6.Herisau         25
7.Lausanne        16
8.Thurgovie       16
9.Lagnau          15
10.Lyss            7

Keywords:
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From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: Re: Sorry, another Lindros post
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.021836.4097@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>Before, a lot of people were saying that the main reason for Lindros'
>success this season has been the fact that he's playing with Recchi.
>Well, if anything, the opposite might be true.
>Check out Recchi's stats from before the Lindros injury, and compare them
>to his stats *since* the injury.  Recchi had only 1 point this week, if
>I'm not mistaken.
>
>What does that tell you about Lindros?
>I think he's *under*rated!!!!
>

This is not menat to take anything away from Lindros. However, Mark
Recchi has also been battling some physical problems as of late.
He's experienced headaches and dizziness since receiving an
elbow in a game a few weeks ago. He's had some scans done and
has been given the clearance to play (something about some fluid
in his inner ear). However, I still think that he's playing at
well below 100%. 

There's little question that Lindros' physical presence does
allow Recchi a bit more operating room on the ice. However, at
this stage in their careers, Recchi is still, IMHO, a more
prolific scorer and playmaker. 

Gary

PS Are there any updates on Recchi's condition? I know that
neurological scans came up negative, but is he still
experiencing headaches?

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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:01:43 GMT

In article <92Dec17.175102est.144@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:

>Lori....
>I know you're just posting what you heard, but just where did you hear
>this rumour?? Are you volunteering some of your time to help out the
>mentally (or hockey) challenged people in Pittsburgh? :-)

My boyfriend's buddy works as statistician at the Pens' games.  I know this
sounded wild, but who knows?  The guy might have heard something, considering
he sits up in the press box.

>
>>Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
>
>Of course! I mean they wouldn't want to keep'em around.
>He might score a 100+ points and 50+ goals again!

The Pens don't need any more offense.  They do need defense.  That part of
the rumor makes some sense.

Lori

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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:10 EDT  

In article <BzF0pD.Jqy.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes...
>Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
> 
>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
>Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.

Not a chance.  Murray would be lynched before Probert and Yzerman
made it to the airport.  However, it would be very interesting to
see Anna's reaction to Bob being traded to the Pens.

Ron  (the Anti-Mom)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:49:14 GMT

chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
>jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:
>
>>would think most subscribers to the Disney Channel either have kids or
>>are still kids at heart.  How would it go over that this extremely
>>violent sport is broadcast instead of the sweet, lovable Mickey Mouse?
>
>You're evidently not aware that Disney already does grownup programming
>after kiddie bedtime? (I'd say "adult programming", but we're not talking
>Playboy channel....). 

Compared even to A&E, "Disney at Night" is pretty tame ... a lot of it
is old movies you'd find on AMC and TNT (which concentrate on oldies),
and the music programming concentrates on boomers (last weekend's free
preview had something by the Beatles or McCartney every night; live
concerts which you never see on MTV or VH1 like James Taylor around
Cape Cod or Kenny Loggins in the Grand Canyon).  Having hockey will be
pushing the envelope a bit for them, but considering that pay cable
channels have started multiplexing (some areas has HBO 2 and HBO 3 in
addition to just plain HBO for your $15 a month) in anticipation of
increased channel capacities in the future, it'd not be too much of a
stretch to find the NHL on Disney 2 or 3 if ESPN bails out at any
point in the current deal (I believe that the renewal is at ESPN's
request).  It was mentioned by Mike Burger that the NHL contract is
meant in part to spur on the establishment of ESPN II ...  I have
started to suspect that the flat $50 Million entry paid by Disney
(with $25 M to McNall for infringing on the Kings' territory) has
a rider on future pay cable revenue if the NHL winds up on a Disney
cable channel (the original reason why the NHL jumped to Sport$-
Channel and is still stuck on Pay-Per-View).

gld
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From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sandstrom
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:04:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <2B2CF310.18768@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>
>In article <4f_Yk1O00UhW82fCwi@andrew.cmu.edu> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu
>(Young-Soo Che) writes:
>>Does anybody out there know when Sandstrom is getting back for sure?
>>He's killing my fantasy hockey-team for not being back.  I'm also
>>hurting on the account of the MacInnis injury, great luck i have dont i?
>
>The last I heard, Sandstrom will be out for approximately three more
>weeks :-(
>
>Kris
>kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
>
>GO KINGS!!!
>
>
>--

   I heard he was going to return Dec. 20th. Can anyone give us the exact
   date ???

   Thanks.
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:03:39 GMT

In article <75528@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
>jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:
>
>>would think most subscribers to the Disney Channel either have kids or
>>are still kids at heart.  How would it go over that this extremely
>>violent sport is broadcast instead of the sweet, lovable Mickey Mouse?
>>Would people get upset?  I sure think they would...
>
>You're evidently not aware that Disney already does grownup programming
>after kiddie bedtime? (I'd say "adult programming", but we're not talking
>Playboy channel....). 

Yes, I am aware of that.  I was taking the attitude of the uneducated
masses who can't comprehend how anyone likes hockey, with all that
violence and bench-clearing brawls and people taking each other's heads
off with hockey sticks and all that fighting.

>Be careful when you think on an empty brain. If you don't feed it facts, you
>tend to get the wrong answers.

Not empty brain-- just a little constipated, unlike my bowel....

-JPC

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Dec. 12, 1992
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:12:33 GMT

jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:


>Just to clear up something that Don "Rush Limbaugh" Cherry said.   You
>quoted him as saying that "all of a sudden Ulf's cheek is not broken."
>Ulf Cheek bone IS still broken, the only reason he is able to play is
>because they gave him one of those Pat Lafontaine-style masks that goes
>down past his chin.

Gary Roberts of the Flames may have a broken cheek after he got hit
in the face with a puck during the Flame's last road trip. Now, he
is wearing a visor. (NOT a full face mask, a VISOR... One that is smaller
than the visor Ulf wears when he is HEALTHY!) I just thought I would
bring that up...

>If Don Cherry knew Jack-shit about hockey, he'd still be coaching.  Only
>he'd be losing because of his xenophobic attitudes which would preclude
>him from having and non-anglo-Canadians on his team.

Lets get a few things straight...

1) Don lost his coaching job because he was too friendly with the PLAYERS!
   That's why he was fired from Boston. (He was fired after loosing to
   Montreal in the playoffs, but given the Boston management, he probably
   would have been fired anyways.)

   Now, with his success on TV and in the restaurant business, he
   doesn't NEED to go back to coaching.

2) Don Cherry is NOT against all non-Canadians. He IS patriotic (but
   considering how obnoxious some Americans are, and how reserved Canadians
   are, its a welcome change.) But when it comes to hockey, he is more an
   advocate of a certain type of play (featuring good CLEAN hits, honour, etc.)
   than of a player's nationality. 

   During the past few years, he has PRAISED players like Borechevsky
   from the Leafs, because he plays a more North American style. On
   the other hand, he has criticized Fleury and Murphy (who are Canadian)
   for some of their actions.

   Don attacks players like Ulf and Fetisov not because they are European,
   but because they PLAY DIRTY.

3) Don probably knows as much about hockey as any other coach in the
   NHL. Don has actually PLAYED hockey for many years. As Bruins coach,
   although he never won the Stanley Cup, he DID manage some great records:
   eg. under him, the Bruins hold a record for 20+ goal scorers on a single
   team. The Bruins also won the President's Cup under him.
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:53:15 GMT
Distribution: na 


In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.
ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
>>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
>>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
>>the year after that...
>
>
>  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
>rioting in the streets...
>
>  Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is going
>to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California Area, when
>the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
>sold, it's just no one is attending...)

The arena often has many empty seats because many of the season tickets are
held by corporations (who can afford the astronomical prices) and are
often given to clients or colleagues who do not use them.  There are
also many season ticket holders who do not go to EVERY game.  However,
the tickets left for sale to the general public (primarily the inexpensive
nosebleed seats) are usually completely full.  Therefore, the Forum
being half full has little to do with interest in hockey, it is just
that there are no seats left available for purchase by the general
public (I know because I have often tried to get tickets to Kings
games at the last minute only to be told they are "sold out", and I
often see people paying good money to scalpers in the Forum parking lot).

I think there is a great deal of interest in hockey in Orange County
and I only hope all of these rumors about getting a team in Anaheim
are true . . .  


Kris
(originally from Anaheim)
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!! 



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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Housley trade rumours (to the Wings)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:10:11 GMT
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gautam@engin.umich.edu (Gautam Singh Grover ) writes:
> My local paper seems to have Housley
> ands Aaron Ward (a draft pick of the Wings, another defenseman who
> plays hockey at Michigan), for (take your pick of permutations and 
> combinations) Ysebaert/Primeau/Burr/Chiasson. 

I haven't seen the Wings much, but after watching them against Philly
on ESPN last night, here's what I think:

Chiasson didn't look bad offensively,  not great, but not bad.  I think
I'd be inclined to keep him.  I was impressed with Primeau.  Ysebaert
was OK...I'd consider him in the trade.  With Yzerman and Fedorov, and
Primeau a possible bright spot, Carson (of course) seems the likely
person.  Hey, how 'bout Carson for Glen Wesley? :-)

> What about the Zalapski to Wings rumours?

I'm not impressed with Zalapski.  

Walter
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: SCTV (was Re: Hockey Movies)
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:22:13 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <Bz1xy7.CoH.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
> 
> All this talk of hockey movies reminds me of a skit I saw on SCTV a number
> of years ago. (IMHO, SCTV was one of the best TV shows of all time.)
> 
> It was a parody of Canadian filmmaking.  John Candy (if you can believe it)
> played an up and coming hockey player named "Billy".  Joe Flaherty (whose
> from Pgh., by the way) was the manager of his team.  It was hilarious.  Does
> anyone else remember this?
> 
Yup.  I believe it featured the line, "One day you'll be the
next Pat Boutet!"

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why hockey isn't popular in the U.S.
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:58:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <1gioanINN378@hal.com> dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>
>I think that hockey *can* be made popular in the US -- it just needs
>some thought and energy.  Hell, this old-time baseball fan has become a
>serious hockey fanatic.  If me, why not others?  Here's hoping.

Why? Simple. You're an exception to the rule. The reason why hockey is
not making on TV in non-hockey markets is because the puck is way too
small and moves way too fast. No one,especially a novice,will fully
enjoy and get into the game when they watch it on 19-inch TV screen.

My biggest gripe with most local and national(ESPN) telecasts is the
way producers of hockey telecasts position their cameras in some arenas.
Hartford Civic Center,Capital Centre and Joe Louis Arena are the biggest offenders.
When you watch a game from those arenas,the players on the ice look tiny and
undistinguishable,the puck gets practically invisible as the cameras
try zoom in from the nose-bleed level. 

The best locally produced hockey is in Boston,Quebec City and Chicago 
mostly because of smart camera locations and building suitability for
televising the games.

Everything else is distant fourth or fifth.

So when you talk about why hockey is not making in the States,forget
the brawling,fighting,wearing helmets and visors,non-American game and
other nonsense arguements. The bottom line is you have to improve it as
a televised sport because the game is fantasticly exciting to anyone
who sees it live in person. Roger Clemens, great Red Sox pitcher and the biggest
redneck in the world who had never seen a puck before he got to Boston thinks
it's the greatest sport after attending Bruins playoff games for the last
5-6 years. And he doesn't even know a single rule!

When you let idiots like Joel Nixon be in charge of NHL broadcating  for
years,a great product like hockey will undoubtely suffer. I think Gary
Bettman is the smartest thing NHL did in a while. He'll bring back
back the game into 20th Century.

-PPV Mark
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:32:06 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:

>would think most subscribers to the Disney Channel either have kids or
>are still kids at heart.  How would it go over that this extremely
>violent sport is broadcast instead of the sweet, lovable Mickey Mouse?
>Would people get upset?  I sure think they would...

You're evidently not aware that Disney already does grownup programming
after kiddie bedtime? (I'd say "adult programming", but we're not talking
Playboy channel....). 

Be careful when you think on an empty brain. If you don't feed it facts, you
tend to get the wrong answers.

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