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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:56:10 PST

From: dart@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan)

	I need any possible information about publicly available abortifacents
(miscarriage-inducing substances).  Both chemical and herbal substances are
of extreme interest at this point.  Any information you can give would be
most helpful.  Feel free to reply via email.

	No jokes or flames, please.  This is a situation in which the
choice lies between the death of a fetus and the death of my wife.

	Thank You.
						Sean Cannon

This is not a flame.  This is advice.

   Most (read all generally publically available) chemical substances
that will cause abortions function by poisoning the mother to the
point that she becomes physiologically incapable of carrying the
fetus to term.

  A frequent result is death.  Of the mother.  This, naturally,
results in death of the fetus.  See a doctor.  Do it now.

Al Moore
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: a set of handmade runes
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:42:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Just a quick question . . .

TMM's mom loved the runes I gave her, and I was wondering if I could
possibly make them to sell them.  The only problem?  I've never used 
runes of any stripes as I prefer the Tarot, and I have no idea what to
charge for them.

They are made of slices cut off of a eucalyptus branch; the runes
themselves are cut at about a thirty degree angle to the branch so that
they are oval shaped; this is to facilitate placing them vertically.
They are then oiled using linseed oil (I hope to use patchouly oil as
well, at least enough to make them aromatic).  I also hand-sew pouches
of all kinds for them.  The pouches are a little strange as I don't
follow a set pattern but instead pick up the cloth and make what I want
to at the time.  I've made simple drawstring pouches, drawstring pouches
that are essentially cloth circles that flatten out when you open them
all the way, square pouches that are shaped vaguely like envelopes, et
cetera.  When I can find soft cloth zippers, I also make little pouches
out of them; I zip up the zipper so that it is a simple strip of cloth,
sew it into a cylinder, and close the ends.  This is a particularly
novel pouch since it sort of vanishes when you unzip it all the way; it
would also be more expensive than the simple pouches since it is
heinously hard on the eyes to sew and can't be done by machine, should I
ever get a machine.  These kinds of zippers are also MUCH harder to get
than the typical dress zippers you find in a sewing store since the must
be VERY long and soft cotton, not polyester. 

At any rate, the runes are very attractive since you can see the rings
and bark on the wood.  I also have a simple birch dowel I got from a
hardware store that I plan on making runes out of as well; these would
be less expensive since they are less attractive (there are no rings in
the wood) and the dowels are easier to come by than the branches.  (I
have to wait until a good storm or windy day and then walk all over
campus to get the branches.)

Anyway, in the opinion of people who sell and buy stuff like this, how
much would a set of runes like this run for?  How much would you pay for
them?  With a little booklet explaining where they came from, what each
one stands for, and a simple three rune spread, I would expect between
$40 and $50 for the really nice ones, with a nice pouch, and $30 for the
dowel-cut ones.  Any other opinions?

The letters are put on with a simple permanent felt pen -- VERY
carefully so it looks nice.  I was going to use a soldering iron, but
the eucalyptus is so dense it doesn't burn well.  I have art experience
and have sold rapidograph works of mine before, so they aren't sloppy. 

Blessings,
Janis  

P.S.: Did I say this would be a quick question?
From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: MMOH
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:55 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In regards to Madeleine Murray O'Hare or O'Hair or whatever.  



Listen guys, I spent a lot of time in my late teens and early twenties
searching for my path.  One path I considered was atheism.  Now in my
time in the church and later I came across a number of things concerning 
MMOH.  My general OPINION of her has been that of a fanatic.  Since I'm 
                  ^^^^^^^
               (please note!)

not out to fight AGAINST anybody and since MMOH holds nothing for me, I have
since started ignoring her unless something comes my way that I must address.
As a result I have forgotten a lot of the reasons why....its unimportant.

IN MY OPINION MADELEINE MURRAY O'HARE IS A FANATICAL ATHEIST!!!!!!!!!!
      ^^^^^^^
I do not have to prove an opinion, and you all have not proven nor attempted
to prove that she is not a fanatic.  All you have proven is that she gets
results.  Fanatics generally do...look at the PMRC and Fundamentalist Xtianity.

In any case, The person's orginal statement was that they did not know of
any fanatical atheist.  So I pointed out MMOH.  

NOTE:  I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS FUCKING OPINION!!!!!!!!!!1



Tammy the exasperated
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why Black Hilt?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Jan 93 07:24:54 GMT

In article <090193001511@cemmac03.cem.msu.edu> Edge of Insanity c/o Abyss of ignorance (Lisa  Ann) writes:
>
>     Does anyone know the significance of a black hilt on an athame? Most
>of the books I've read say the hilt should be black. A few say white or
>white for certain uses, i.e. harvesting herbs. 
>     It is illeagal to buy or sell a double edged knife in my state. For
>lack of a better source, I ordered one from a hunting catalog. It has a
>beautiful rosewood handle. I think it would be a shame to cover it with
>stain or paint. Since rosewood is a beautiful creation of nature, I thought
>it would be quite in keeping with the spirit of it's intended use. Unless
>of course there's a very important reason behind the black handle. Any
>input would be deeply appreciated!

If painting the hilt would cause the knife to appear damaged in your
eyes, don't do it.  This is personalized ritual, and if something feels
wrong too you, especially something as essentially meaningless as
painting a hilt black, keep it the way you want.  I feel the same about
covering natural wood -- like putting clothes on the statue of David.

Blessings,
Janis

P.S.: My athame is a butterfly knife I got in Tijuana -- tells you how
much I think of having to do it a certain way.  Try not to get caught up
too much in the tools.  I've heard of people casting really meaningful
circles with a plastic knife from a picnic bargain pack.
From: hz225wu@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Micaela Pantke)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: A new song from Stayka...
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:02:50 +0100
Organization: University of Duisburg
Reply-To: hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke)
NNTP-Posting-Host: unidui.uni-duisburg.de
Summary: A Happy New Year to Everyone!


Hi there - Stayka is here!

Here's another song... Please, feel free to put it into music
(especially you, Scott!) - I wish I could help with it, but I am
completely untalented when it comes to singing or playing an 
instrument. 

            Blessed Be!
                         Stayka deyAvemta   

----------------------------- CUT HERE -------------------------------

UNTIL THE LAST GOODBYE
----------------------
by Stayka deyAvemta
(c) 1992/03/22

There was a little girlchild
Who looked at me with ageless eyes
I knew her once, I know her now
As I have told you in my vow

I will return
Sometime, somewhere
I have to live, I have to learn
Some lives to share

I remember you laughing
As it was in the past times
For we meet now, we met before
In the future, we'll meet once more

'Cause I'll come back
Somehow, somewhen
Another life, another track
Since Avalon

Oh, how I wept when I lost you
You went away without good-bye
But you forgot what I still know
I'll meet you maybe tomorrow

Recognition
I'm moon and sun
You won't escape - we're now and then 
All lives are one

But deep within me there's a yearning
I don't belong here anymore
I'll go on to another place
I think you'll never find my trace

I'm dancing on
I'm flying free
There'll be the day when I'll be gone
Eternally

----------------------------- CUT HERE -------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Micaela "Stayka" Pantke  |  
Westhoffstrasse 111      |         Keep your dreams alive -
W-4200 Oberhausen 11     |         and live your dreams!
Germany                  | 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: something irritating in Ms. Magazine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:42:44 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Distribution: world
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

There's been a good thread onm ritual abuse for the last half-week or so
over on FEMREL-L; if you can get that list, you might check it out.  --
Robert

(Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Question/symbol
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:39:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <9301021934.AA49564@chaos.intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes...
>> Does anyone know the meaning/symbolism of a double-bladed axehead?  I 
>> have seen this sticker on the rear bumpers of several cars lately, and 
>> was curious as to it's meaning.  
> 
>It's a labrys; it was evidently used as a symbol of Goddess-worship in Crete 
>before the Greeks came tromping through.  As a car decal, it generally used 
>as a discrete way of saying "lesbian on board" :), 
(snip)

	Well, my friends who wear them or have them on the car may or may not 
be lesbians (some is, some ain't!), but it seems to be widly recognized as 
the symbol for an Amazon around here. I have confirmed one of my friends as 
an Amazon and this is the symbol she wears. Some others wear boleens, but 
the labrys seems to be the most common. 

	Obvious next question: What is an Amazon? To those I know and myself, 
an Amazon is a very great warrior woman. It is a status earned or born to, 
depending on the person. Many women are warriors, but to be confirmed as an 
Amazon is a *great* honor and anyone who bears that title is worthy of *very* 
deep respect.

				- Ashley
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:15247 talk.religion.misc:25846 alt.atheism:25667 alt.slack:3662
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism,alt.slack
Subject: Re: God's math accuracy was The meaning of "pagan"
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:58:57 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina) writes:

>In article <C0LzMu.Ju3@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>In article <fXKMWZi@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan8.192559.29023@radian.uucp> 
>>>markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>>>>Aw, c'mon. 3 is perfectly good enough for a scientific approximation. The
>>>>order of magnitude is even right!
>>>
>>>Exactly! As they say, one digit accuracy is close enough for God!
>>  OK. I'll bite. How many digits of accuracy would make you happy?
>
>All of them, of course. Ought to be child's play for God, right?
>(The number under discussion is pi, in case you've lost the thread.)

Of course, you need an infinite amount of time to have Him tell you...

 -Steve
--
  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:14967 talk.religion.misc:25192
From: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: The meaning of "pagan"
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:07:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) says:

>
>Yes...however, neither you nor he will find justification with the pages of
>Holy Writ to support your contention.  The Christian Bible proclaims Jesus
>of Nazareth to be the one and only path to God, and, by extension, Christianity
>to be the one and only "true" religion.  Can you provide any Scripture - as
>oppossed to human interpreter's thoughts - to deny this?
>
What if someone has no desire to be with your god?  It would seem to me
that logic would then dictate that your religion is not the only valid one.

ie.  You are saying that "If you want to be with god you must worship as I
do".  The contrapositive of this statement is "If you don't worship as I
do, you won't be with god".  Therefore if someone doesn't want to be with 
your god, then refusing to worship as you do will guarantee it.

-- 
When subtlety fails us we must make do with cream pies.
                                                    --David Brin

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shaman)
Subject: Re: Why Black Hilt?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:11:50 GMT

There's a really neat story concerning the origin of black-handled athames.
Unfortunately, my memory is lousy!  Here's what I can remember, I hope it does
justice to the original.

	A long time ago, when the world was new, night and day were not 
separated like they are today.  Seeing that her creations needed time to rest,
the Goddess decided to remedy the situation.  She began looking all over for 
something with which to cut night and day apart.  She was walking in the woods, when she spied a stick lying on the ground.  When she tried to cut with it, she 
found that it was not sharp enough.  She was walking along the river when her
friend Raven flew up to greet her.  After explaining her situation, Raven sug-
gested that she try making something sharp out of the river mud, then letting
it dry.  The goddess scooped up a handful of mud and shaped it into a long 
pointed shape with sharp edges.  She then dried it in the ever-present sun. 
when it was dry, she tried once more to cut night apart from day.  This time, 
her tool broke.  It was too brittle!  Again, she asked Raven for advice.  Raven
told her of a cave where he saw a mysterious hard grey stone.  Raven said
that the stone was harder than any he had ever seen.  The Goddess thanked Raven
and set off to find the cave at once.  When she got to the cave, she gathered
a few handfuls of this grey stone.  She then called down lightning to start a
fire.  She threw the rocks into the fire intil they were glowing red.  The
Goddess then molded the metal into a knife shape.  She pounded the metal with
a rock until it was very sharp.  When she was finished, and the knife was cool,
she realized that she would cut herself on the edges if she tried to use the
knife.  So, the Goddess asked a tree for one of its limbs to make a handle.
The goddess lovingly shaped the wood around her knife.  When she had finished,
she held the knife up, and cut night away from day.  In all the excitement, 
the Goddess forgot to wash her hands, and the soot from the forge stained the
wooden handle black.  And that's why to this day, athame handles are 
traditionally black.

-- 
========  
 I(  )I     David A. Melton                      
 I \/ I     shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                                        
 I /\ I     Priest, Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Help with Songs...
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:32:28 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


You know, I just remembered that I have the Home-brew'd Book Of Pagan Carols at 
home. There are plenty of songs to use in there. Also BAPA (Bay Area Pagan 
Assemblies) sells a book of recreated/reclaimed pagan carols for $5. If either 
of those intrest you, details on how to get them could be posted......


				- Ashley
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Why the Cross?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:39:33 GMT

In article <3JAN199300272647@elroy.uh.edu> lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>Sean, I don't want to be pulled into another argument nor start one, but
>I will say...(again and again if necessary)...go back and learn about the
>history of the time.  You will find that the views espoused by the man Jesus 
>was considered a threat by a great number of people in high places in the
>middle east.
  Also, there was a great deal of Jewish unrest at the time, making the
Romans pretty edgy. There were a number of people claiming either that
they were the Messiah, or that he would soon show himself. The Jerusalem
revolt around 70 C.E. was lead by another "Messiah."
-- 
Mike Swaim            | "101 Dalmations? Yeah I saw that."
swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | "You Did! REALLY? The same film?
Disclamer: I lie      | Let's stop driving! We must get out and jump
up and down and up and down and dance around and around!" Matt and Delerium
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazons and the Labrys - was: Re: Question/symbol
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:58:19 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <qT13wB1w164w@tweekco.uucp>, alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes...

>I suggest that you encourage some of your Amazon friends with Internet
>access to tell us themselves about what they're into. Why speculate
>when you don't have to, and this should also GUARANTEE them opportunites
>for constructive dialogue and the odd confrontation or two.
> 
>Blessings,,, A.Lizard
> 


	The group I refer to most often in these posts live in a very rural 
area of Humboldt county and I never saw a single computer on any of my visits 
there. I don't doubt that they could get hooked up if they wanted to, but 
that's the catch, IF they wanted to. They're really hardcore "back to the 
earth" types, so I doubt they'd have a hookup (there is only one phone in the 
compound). 

	Although not all the groups rituals and practices are secret, 
(otherwise how would I be able to discuss them?) they are open by invitation 
only. I correspond with them by mail as I moved out of that area years ago.



			- Ashley
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:28:04 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1359@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>	On that note, I remembered a book on my shelf the other day that was 
>supposedly written by someone who has a English family passed tradition. What 
>does everyone think of the book "West County Wicca" by Rhiannon Rhylls? Marion 
>Weinstein wrote the intro, so apparently she thinks it's authentic. Looks 
>pretty good to me, a lot of kitchen magick which is what I would expect from
>any tradition that survived under the conditions she claims hers did. A lot of 
>standard Wicca too, but most of the ceremonial or high magick (which is what 
>I think gardner added) present in modern day Wicca is conspiciously absent.
>
>	Anyone else here read it or have an opinion of it?

 There have been quite a number of reviews. The summary is that she's
lying. A lot of her details don't jibe, such as illiterate English
peasents right before WWII when the literacy in England was almost 100%.
Of course, that's why they didn't have a written book, she says, because
they couldn't read...

 There are many more. While the book itself is good, the history is a fraud.

Wassail!
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From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: The meaning of "pagan"
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:08:40 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <1374@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

>	And anyone who was on the mailing list of the Southwest Radio Church 
>(your watchman on the wall) in 1988 and 1989 got to see their great plan to 
>drum up money through mail-in donations to hire a band of mercenaries to 
>go to Ethiopia and kill the evil, satanic, heathen unbeliever thieves who had 
>stolen the Ark, then return this most holy relic to the true keepers of the 
>word of god at,(you guessed it) Southwest Radio Church! 

I listen to the S.W.R.C. from time to time. They are great conspiracy
theorists, and from time can be pretty amusing. A couple of the better
cases in point:

When Tex Marrs described a world wide Satanic organization that
has huge conventions. As proof of the organization's Satanic nature,
he described their symbol as the "Satanic Triangle in the Satanic
Circle." While he did not mention the name directly, many will recognise
the symbol in question as the one used by Alcoholics Anonymous.

Sometime later Marrs described the "New Age plot" to kill all Christians
so that they would all reincarnate as new agers. This was on the basis
of some environmentalists saying the Earth can only maintain a sustainable
human population of something like 1.5-2 billion.

Then there was the program on 14 things Witches don't want you to know.
I have that one on audio tape. It goes on to describe how Troll Dolls
and the Wizard of Oz are tricks used by Satan to take control of your
kids.

Crazy stuff...

>
>		 - Ashley,
>		looking through the 
>		"Weird stuff I got in the mail"
>		box again.......

Eric
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: lunar calendar
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:11:44 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


If anyone is interested in information about a lunar calendar I make
and sometimes sell, please e-mail me--I seem to have a print over-run.

(I hope this is short enough not to annoy anyone, but I hate to have 
wasted copies.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu