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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:27:12 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec13.164442.206@gems.vcu.edu> 
kkenny@gems.vcu.edu writes:

> Arne, if you were a dog, you'd definitely be a schnauzer!

I'm unfamiliar with dog breeds, but I take it that that
was meant to be unflattering.

> Having been an extremely infrequent poster here for almost 5 years,
> one thing that _is_ very clear to me about your posts is that you allow
> yourself your opinions and others your opinions, without leaving 
> anyone else room for _their_ opinions.  It gets tiring, hon.

Well, precious, if you think that trait is limited to me,
you haven't hung around queens enough.  In any case, some 
things are opinion (it's a lovely day today; Meryl Streep
is an exceedingly tiresome actress; Shakespeare's comedies
aren't funny), and others are fact.  I did belabor what I
take to be the facts in this thread, I admit, and I'm sorry 
that my side of Melinda's and my hostility toward each other 
poured over onto the net.  From now on I'll be all sunshine
and kisses where Melinda is concerned.

> Not exactly the way I wanted to resplash in motss, but here it is
> anyway.

Welcome back.  (And you could use some pointers on how to 
deliver sterner tongue lashings.)

Arne
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Roy Romer Writes Me
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:01:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> Received today from Colorado Governor Roy Romer:
> ------------------------------------------------
[article deleted]

Any comments about this letter?  What did you think about
it, Jess?

Walter
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: An "enlightening" experience
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:38:58 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
   >>>  * there * are * no * pods *
Mara:
  >> Sure there are.  I saw some in my salad only last night.
tdober@llnl.gov (TDO) writes:
 >*You* *ate* *the* *pods*???!!

Don't put words-- or pods-- into my mouth.

 >Whatever will become of us now?

Now, there's a good question.

 >TDO (desperately worried)
Not to worry.

Mara [friend to pods, when necessary]


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A reply to Mr. Pierce (was Re: PHOBE ALERT: That XX Louis Sheldon...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:35:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec14.033507.9479
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec14.012654.27377@wolves.Durham.NC.US> wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>>Let's hope you were as offended as the women who had to read "bitch" in
>>the first place.
>	Oh, poor little Steve, let's not have anyone post anything the
>least bit controversial or disparaging of his opinions, so he doesn't
>have to be offended.

What ARE you talking about?  Your last few comments here on the net
haven't made any sense to me.

Are you seriously saying that it's fine that the word "bitch" was used
in a context where it it's meaningless except as a vehicle for misogyny?
It's not that *I'm* offended, but that there are people who will be.

>	Or have we forgotten that the freedom we have to speak depends
>on defending the freedom to speak for EVERYONE.

Duh.  I don't know what you've been smoking, but you're way off base here.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

>	Better to put up with a bit of discomfort than to submit to
>tyranny -- whether the tyranny be of the "fundies" or of the
>"politically correct."

In other words, you're saying "Hey, it's fine to use the word 'bitch' here.
Keep on doing it."  And if he takes you at your word, he's a bigger fool
than you are.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Dyke to head HHS
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:04:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.211317.24072@draco.macsch.com> Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com> writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.113431.14141@hemlock.cray.com> Russ Anderson,
>rja@mahogany126.cray.com writes:
>>> Dose anyone else have any info on Mrs. Shalala's sexual orientation?
>>
>>Does anyone care?  I certainly don't...
>
>     Barbara Walters asked Ross Perot if elected president, would he
>have gays on his cabinet.  Perot's answer created a tremendous amount
>of controversy.
>
>     If Clinton is going to make an appointment of an openly gay
>person to a cabinet level position, I think many people will care.
>
>     I for one, do.
>
	WHY?


Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
__


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:31:17 GMT


Keeping soc.motss:

I think the old group name should go away if there's a
split.  A part of the idea here is for people to be aware of
what they're doing, so the general or catchall group should
have the same formal structure to its name as the other
groups, rather than being hierarchically higher.

To that end, and not liking misc, I propose: soc.general.

I like Jeff's analysis of the name politics and endorse his
suggestions to use soc.motss.advocacy or soc.motss.activism.
I prefer the first.

I think info is a very poor choice.  It's much too vague, it
not being in any way obvious what it's for.  A rational
newcomer could reasonably suppose "here's where I find out
how to be what I am." I continue to think there needs to be
a group to address that specific constituency, however.  So
I still think the *idea* of soc.motss.documents is much
better than soc.motss.info, though I'm not thrilled by the
word documents for the moderated group.  Actually, in my
historian self, the right word is sources, but unfortunately
that means something else to computerists, as does the
shorter docs.  But I would prefer docs to info.

Other options: soc.motss.data, soc.motss.facts.

As I mentioned, the "how to be me" group seems very important.
soc.motss.selfhood is the idea, but only slightly less
high-falutin' than soc.motss.ipseity.  Maybe soc.motss.self
or soc.motss.myself or soc.motss.ourselves.

I think there was merit in James Berninger's suggestion
about an AIDS-related group.  Since the first of July I've
lost six friends.  There was an excellent article the other
day in the NYT on the special problems we face when we find
ourselves in an enduring state of grief.  Equally important,
it would help many people to have an explicit forum within
the soc.motss community for people living with HIV
infection, both those infected and those affected.

So here, in sum, is my current list:

soc.motss.general (unmoderated)

   Discussion of daily interests in all their wide-ranging
   splendor.

soc.motss.self (unmoderated)

   Coming out, telling the family and friends, personal
   witness and self-discovery.

soc.motss.facts (moderated)

   News articles, phobe alerts, laws passed or proposed,
   letters to or from public figures.

soc.motss.advocacy (unmoderated)

   Activism, movement-oriented discussion, political
   implications of the struggle for equal rights, the social
   and economic impacts of and for the cohort.

soc.motss.hiv (unmoderated)

   The effects of the virus in our lives, whether living in
   us or taking our loved ones from us.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:53:25 GMT

In article <1go3r6INN8m7@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu> pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu
(Paul Ryan) writes in response to Arthur T. Hu:

>Don't give me any more numbers until you go back to high school

You mean he's already been there??

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads: women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:52:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Dec16.022859.7851@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
wrote:

> No, Matthew, please don't describe yourself as "the male", or the
> inevitable reaction to your brand of tripe as representing "the
> prevailing female mindset".  Just because you're clueless, vulgar,
> and revel in the reactions you produce, doesn't make you any less
> a misogynistic pig.

No argument from me, Dyer.  Call me what you will.  As you appear
to have taken up the standard on this one - what do you plan to
do in to make women feel more visible?

Lead by example, as it were.

*X*
From: 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Age-ism and the gay community
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:10:33 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Everyone talks about racism.... and sexism.... and, here recently, heightism.
But i want  alk about something of significant importance to me and thousands
of other of teh gay youth:


				AGEISM!!!

	I get tired of individuals who assume that because i am my age that i
act my age.  I am 18 yrs. old.  But i do not act immature!  Nor are my 
interests solely within the generation i just happened to be born in. I
have had the... priviledge of attending a gay bar, once and met two 
wonderful gys there (at different times, people!).  One of them found out i
was 18 and realized it didn't matter.  The other freaked out, even after dating
me for three weeks and seemingly enjoying my company.  
	Why is the criteria for gay men over the age of 21 is to find a man
over the age of 21?  Why must they assume that i am too immature for them?
Is it the same way with gay women (sorry, i hate the term 'lesbian')?  Why must
age really matter in a relationship if the two consenting individuals are within
reasonable and legal boundries and really care for each other and enjoy the
mere prescence of one another?  Maybe it's that impracticality, if yo will,
that signifies my immaturity and my substantial unattractiveness to those older
gay males.  If so, excuse me maybe i just need to grow up abit more.

	This is not a bitch-bitch-moan-moan-gripe-gripe- letter so please don't
respond accordingly.  I just really want to know why this sort of Age-ism exist
within the gay community.  As oppressed as we are as a whole, why would we in
turn suppress another group for something we cannot help.  

	Then, again, I could ask that to my peers on why must all older gay
males be trolling just because they go to a bar or what not?  

	Please, help me understand this nonsense.

Luvingly Yours
brandon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Deb's New Thang (was Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals)
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:41:44 GMT

In article <Bz9DMJ.DD6@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1992Dec12.001517.7136@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>>I am glad you approve, but would really like to know if you feel all
>>good-looking men should be gay.  I know you would like that, but who would
>>I date?  I also would like to add that there have been many good-looking
>>gay men that I have seen at clubs.  Neither of us should have  a monopoly
>>on attractive males.  

Sorry for the interruption, but I just wanted to clear up one thing....I
did not write this, my roomate wrote it from my account.  

Just didn't want anyone to think I am straight (not that it's a bad thing
to be, but I like myself the way I am)

season


-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Summary: Singing Arne's praises.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:41:11 GMT


>In article <1992Dec17.204251.19263@netcom.com> 
>foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>
>> Believe
>> it or not, there is a substantial constituency which not only
>> enjoys but *eagerly anticipates* the contributions of Arne
>> Adolphson, the voice of wit and finesse in these dark days.
>

Hear, hear.

--scoT

-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:49:02 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec10.221933.29489@penet.fi> an2335@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>  We know that homosexual people have less children than heteros.
>Then, if homosexuality is genetic, we should expect the proportion of
>homosexual people decrease generation by generation. This hasn't been
>observed. Can we then deduce that homosexuality isn't necessarily
>genetic?

I don't know why I'm getting involved in this tired discussion, but hey,
it's Friday.

This situation is not as simple as you make it out to be.  First of
all, homosexuals do have children.  Even if there was a single 'gay' gene
it would have no trouble surviving evolution as long as homosexuals
have kids.

On the other hand, some theories have been presented that homosexuality
can result from a complex combination of genes.  In which case it
would be difficult to evolve away especially if the individual genes
involved had evolutionary value (such as mathematical ability).

I'm not saying that any of these ideas are the answer.  I'm
just pointing out that over simplification doesn't do much good
when dealing with a complex issue as genetics.
-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: (No Clue (: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... )))
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec11.181549.21249@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>>I'm sufficiently militant on my bicycle now that I won't get out of
>>>>the way of cars behind me unless it is convenient.
>>>Dangerous or not, I always feel guilty doing this.
>
>>Stop feeling guilty about it. Your taxes pay for the roads, too. Your
>>safety needs are greater. And most cars treat you like shit, so you
>>have to demand your space. No need to be rude, but don't risk wiping
>>out at 25 mph because you felt like you had to pull off onto the
>>gravel shoulder to let some stupid petrol-burning hunk of iron get past you.
>>
>>ObMotss - militant queer, militant cyclist? One of Portland's local
>
>	Snore - we have plenty of militant bicyclists here too...
>I don't mind them except that 1) there is not enough romo for a car
>to fit in a lane with a militant bicyclist without having to swerve to
>the opposite lane to get around him/her. 2) bicyclists rarely
>if ever follow the rules of the road.  Apparently stop signs,
>red lights, pedestrians, signaling, etc are all optional (this

No One here has a clue about militant cyclists. One day in Amsterdam
will make the worst nightmares in the U.S. look like potty training.
About half are O.K., about half are the most aggressive,
self-absorbed, and self-important commuters I've ever met in my life.
Stop Lights, Pedestrian thoroughfares where bicycling is not allowed,
parking, one-way streets, anything. They just do whatever it is they
want, to hell with everything else. I love it.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:50:40 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <thaaang.724570814@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>I recently met (briefly) the voice of stimpy... definitely high on the
>>gaydar scale. (We have a mutual friend, I'll ask.)
>
>How exceedingly nice. If he's one of those cute lanky goatee'd people,
>ask him to marry me, too. Just as long as he doesn't sound like that
>in real life...

Perhaps you'd prefer him to sound like Doug?  (You DO watch Doug, don't
you?)

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Sir Egbert offered to show them his famous sofa.  Alice felt a shudder of
nameless apprehension.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:13:02 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu>

Charlie Fulton writes:
>Yeah, yeah, yeah.  CD's have a wider dynamic range, but the sound
>reproduction within vinyl's narrower range is superior.  Kind of

**NOT**!|x

>like an unbroken line as compared to CD's column chart.

You really think you can *hear* the difference?  Talk about a
capacity for self-delusion.....

 
() A likely impossibility is always preferable to an
() unconvincing possibility.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:33:38 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

mike.siemon (mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com) wrote:
 
> [ If whatever components of "homosexuality" -- or of the MANY variants
> of human behavior and culture now classed (for cultural reasons) as
> "homosexuality" -- has a complex genetic makeup (as opposed to the stupid
> assumption of "a" gene "for homosexuality" apparently having zero other
> effect on the human phenotype) then what we "should" expect will depend
> on a HELL of a lot of other things. ]

Well, I beg to differ; they've found my gay gene.  I work 
with a guy who uses the Atomic Resolution Microscope (you know, 
the 3-story tall one) at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, so we drove down
and we smeared a drop of my blood on a slide, turned the damn 
thing up full blast, and here's what we saw:

There was the helix, of course, the classic shape of the DNA 
molecule, with all the little gene particles hanging off the 
sides.  We followed the helix on down, passing by the blue gene 
which determines my preference in trousers, the light orange one 
for my hair, the left-pointing arrow-shaped one which governs 
handedness and politics, and finally came to this pink-colored 
one.  At first I thought it was skin color, but then I noticed 
that it was triangular in shape.  Zooming in, it resolved to a 
Keith Haring-style image of boys in a daisy chain, kind of like 
a mosaic filling in the triangle.  Incontrovertable proof that, 
in males at least, homoyouknow is genetically determined.  

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:44:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.185721.11329@osf.org>, coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.074448.16874@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> > In case any relatively new motssers are confused, I'll lay this out
|> > for you:
|> > 
|> > The cabal does exist. This argument was manufactured to think that
|> > there are fractures in the cabal. We planned it all in e-mail two
|> > weeks ago.
|> 
|> Was this designed to make sure that we relatively old motssers are
|> confused as well?

Good misdirection, Robert.
See me for a p. upgrade.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Keywords: relationships long-term lengthy
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:49:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.162
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <wood.724690404@jfred> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman) writes:
>
>>I kinda want to hear some  
>>success stories of long-lasting relationships...hopefully ones that are  
>>still going strong...
>
>David and I celebrate our fifth anniversary on this coming Monday, 12/21/92.
>This one's going strong, and the reason for it is that, fundamentally, we're
>both willing to accept the other's strengths and weaknesses -- as they are.
>Beyond this, we're both willing to work at the relationship.

My first and only SO and I have been together for 8 1/2 years and still 
going strong.  My two heterosexual siblings have 4 marriages between
them -  none of which have lasted as long (one marriage is still going
but is not as old).

>>Part of this  
>>all came about because of an argument I was having with a friend recently.   
>>He basically said that gays can't and don't want to commit to one  
>>person...and I loudly disagreed...

>You should disagree.  His statement is a lot of hooey.  Our friends Joe & Ron
>celebrated their 23rd anniversary in July.  Leo & Joe celebrated their 14th
>in August.  Steve & Ron celebrated their 11th in April.  Get the picture?
>How'd these people do it?  Commitment to one person, that's how.

Some of my closest gay friends are in relationships over 10 years.  
Sure, I know some gay couples that didn't work out in the long run.
I have not observed any phenomena in homosexual relationships that
could not also be observed in heterosexual relationships.
Considering that homosexual couples have nowhere near the level
of institutionalized support available to het couples, homosexual
couples have a damn good track record.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Legos
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:39:36 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
NNTP-Posting-Host: camino.pa.dec.com

In article <1992Dec14.233553.9888@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
|> If ya really wanna "wow" certain people with your toys, try
|> having a Twister party!  Around Christmas!  In front of a
|> roaring fireplace!  And, best of all, just invite that one
|> special friend!!
|> 

Sorry but Twister is certainly an N person thing, where I like
N to be in the hundreds, but then you need a lot of lube, and the clean
up, sheesh.

Later,
George

-- 
We don't care, we don't have to, we're Amtrak.

Newsgroups: soc.motss