From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:06:13 GMT
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I have been so totally confused with this thread...

dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
?Cornelia Green <eg1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
?>Abstinence is the only good method of birth control.  It's obviously the
?>only 100% certain method.   
? 
?Abstinence is not 100% effective.  You can attempt to practice
?abstinence all you want, this is no guarantee you will not end
?up having to deal with an un-wanted pregnancy.

Huh? Only one person I know of has gotten pregnant by being abstinent,
and that's Mary, the mother of Jesus. Please explain.

?There are other more reliable methods of contraception.  Mutilating
?your sex organs is guaranteed to be 100% reliable.  Many of us do
?not feel the cost is worth it and will continue to use abortion
?when less reliable, but also less costly methods fail.

Well we could have some amazing tenors to listen to in the opera....

My question is how much abstinence costs with respect to other methods
of birth control? You don't need a doctor's prescription, you don't need
to spend money, or you don't need to learn how to put things in or on to
prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Abstinence is the only means I know where
people that practice abstinence don't get an unplanned pregnancy.

Now obviously, post-conception, abstinence is a moot argument. Herein
lies the argument of where life begins and so on... (Insert definition
of "birth" and "control" and arguments showing that abortion is or is
not "birth control").

?>If a couple considers themselves adult enough to engage in sex, they
?>should face the adult responsibilities that might accompany the action. 
?>And making sure that the child that results from your actions is cared
?>for is an obvious responsibility.  I strongly believe that killing that
?>child through an abortion is not facing your responsibilities. 
?
?Then don't do it.  Others of us strongly disagree with you and 
?you should leave us alone.

My goodness, Cornelia! I've finally found someone that agrees with me on
responsible actions! I wish I didn't clean out all my abortion-related
posts over the summer from my account (they're all archived on paper
now). As for leaving "us" alone, then don't let us pay for the mistakes
you make.

?>Sure, sex may be fun, but be prepared to deal with all that it entails 
?>No Sex is Safe Sex. 
?>Everybody knows that there isn't any condom that guarantees no pregnancy
?>will result.  And they don't prevent the horrible diseases that can
?>result from sex, either. 
? 
?Then don't have sex.  Some of us feel the rewards from sex are 
?worth the risk.  Some of us are willing to leave our houses 
?knowing that it could result in harm, but knowing the reward 
?is worth the risk.  If you feel safer staying in your house 
?and avoiding all outside risk, hey I would never pass legislation
?forcing you to leave your house.

That is part of your personal decision-making. If you feel that sex is
worth the risk of getting someone pregnant or getting HIV, then by all
means, go for it. If you make that decision responsibly, so be it. But
don't come crying saying, "But I had plans to go to college/grad
school/become CEO and I now have to take care of this KID. I have to get
an abortion so my dreams can come true. ..." I normally go outside my
house and my dorm room so I can go to class and achieve my dreams,
despite any risks to me that a tree will fall on me. If your dreams
encompass having sex with your significant other before marriage, then
by all means, have fun.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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