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From: sfk@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Katz)
Subject: Speaker Recommendation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:21:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Hello all.

I have been reading this group with interest for several months now.
It seems that a lot of you have a great deal to offer when it comes
to Hi-Fi (Mid-Fi???) recommendations.  So, maybe you can help me.  
I am searching for new speakers as the first upgrade to my system.

My current system is (don't laugh):
  Sony STR AV1000 tuner/integrated amp (120 WPC per Sony Specs)
  Sony CDP 550 single disc player
  VERY old Radio Shack Optimus T100 speakers

Eventually, I will upgrade to separate tuner, pre-amp and amp,
as well as upgrading my CD player.  However, funds are limited,
and I believe I will get the most for my money by replacing speakers
first.

I am looking for recommendations on speakers in the <$1500/pair range.

I listen to all types of music, but mostly jazz (GRP).  I like very
solid bass, and a very clean sound.  

So far, I have listened to the Apogee Centaur and Centaur Minor, many
Klipsch, Paradigm Export and Control Monitors, Energy, Mirage M series,
Lynn and Theil.  I have been most impressed with the Theil CS1.2's, and
the new Lynn (model??) - floor standing, similar sound to the Nexus.

What other speakers should I listen to?  What do you like in this
price range?  Please keep in mind that I will be using my Sony for
some time before upgrading, so I need to be able to drive the speakers
with it.  Also keep in mind that I would like the speakers to do justice
to whatever new components I purchase in the future (seriously    
considering the Rotel 120WPC amp, pre-amp and tuner).

Thanks for your help.

Steve "I wish I had more money to spend on this" Katz
From: kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Devil Bunny!)
Subject: Ok, how's this:  5-disc cd player - $200-$300?
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:45:18 GMT

Ok, let's see how helpful this group is.  I'm looking for a cd player -
not the cartridge, but the carousel kind, with a drawer that moves out
so I can put other components on top of it.

I certainly wouldn't mind lots of neat bells and whistles, but I also
want on that will last for quite some time and doesn't have too many
dust problems - the area I live in, there's tons of dust; there's always
a coating over my computer and stereo system.  My current cd player is a
panasonic 5-disc changer, which doesn't work too badly, except it has
problems tracking sometimes.  Some CDs are worse than others.

If possible, I would like to get a technics cd-player, because then my
remote would work with it as well, but I don't know what quality their
cd players are.  Any suggestions?

My price range is $200-$300, but I could go up to $500 even if it's a
good enough player.



Thanks!

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From: rodiers@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Rodier Stephane)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: recommendations on low end speakers ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:11:19 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


      I have to choose between 3 speakers:
      
          infinity  reference 1
          morduant short  3.10
          energy 2.1 e
      
      Can any one give me there views on these speakers.....

Thank you in advance (`merci`)

P.S. sorry for my English writing....

Steph.  
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: elelko@nuscc.nus.sg (Free Man)
Subject: Re: Sony discmen
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:59:57 GMT

I was kind of scouting for a discman recently, and had heard quite a lot
of comments on certain desirable and the undesirable ones too. finally,
i got of with a technics xp-700, and it's one of the slimmest in its
range. 

the snag i always hear is with the player's sensitivity to shock .. not
those g-shocks like when you drop the thing. it's those minor bumps esp
like walking, going up and down stairs, etc. what normally happens after
these shock is that the track will be skipped, or some unpredictable
consequence. 

for my technics, this model is not that sensitive to such shocks, but
even if the track skips, playback will just pause for a second and will
resume at the spot before the disturbance.

fyi, i got the set at a bargain price too !


=========================================================================

Looi Kwok Onn
EE Dept,                              "Jim, I have no ego to satisfy",
National University of Singapore.      Spock.
elelko@nuscc.nus.sg

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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:31:43 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Nov18.041231.12460@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
 whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
> If DCC is a digital audio medium, isn't the existing Home Recording
> Rights Act of 1991 applicable to DCC (and MD) tape?  Now, I still
> think paying royalties on blank tape is a bunch of crap, but at
> the moment, the tax is still a few cents, so I can't see the royalty
> tax being an impediment (cost wise) to the continued copying of
> borrowed CDs, records, etc.

I don't think anyone is all that worried about the actual amount of the tax.
What is bothersome is that this may be a foot in the door for other legislation
intended to further curtail home recording equipment.  

I say again:  When audio tape recorders were introduced shortly after WW II,
the record companies went to Congress asking that consumers be required to have
a license before they could legally own a tape recorder!  And there is no sign
that they're any more reasonable now. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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From: logan@nectarine.ucsb.edu (Logan O. Bruns)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: Interface Digital Audio <---> Computer ???
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:46:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio

zilla@ccrl.nj.nec.com (John Lewis) writes:

>I believe the new macs (vx and performa600) can read audio directly off
>of a CD, as well as control the CD as an audio player.

Does anyone know of any software, preferably PD, that will allow you to
read audio data off a audio CD with a CDROM drive?  Also what format is
sound stored in on audio CDs?
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:35:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Speaker Recommendation
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>I am looking for recommendations on speakers in the <$1500/pair range.
>
>I listen to all types of music, but mostly jazz (GRP).  I like very
>solid bass, and a very clean sound.  
>
Me too!  Great engineering and sound!  Grussin's "Migration" was one
of the 2 CDs I used for auditioning gear.

>So far, I have listened to the Apogee Centaur and Centaur Minor, many
>Klipsch, Paradigm Export and Control Monitors, Energy, Mirage M series,
>Lynn and Theil.  I have been most impressed with the Theil CS1.2's, and
>the new Lynn (model??) - floor standing, similar sound to the Nexus.
>
Also Consider a/d/s/ and Vanderstein.  Also consider buying a floor model
from the same brands as I found I had to go to the >$2000 speakers to
get the sound I wanted.  I got my a/d/s M15s at nearly half off.
They sounded good with only my 50WPC mid70's Marantz receiver until I
upgraded amps.

>Steve "I wish I had more money to spend on this" Katz
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Don't we all! 8-)

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From: wkb@cbnews.cb.att.com (wm.keith.brummett)
Subject: Re: bridging
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:58:55 GMT


    In article <BxuoF6.JG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St.
    Xavier alum) writes:
    > I have an NAD integrated amp that has two sets of speaker outputs.
    > ...
    > Lets say I take a single voice coil subwoofer driver, mount it in a
    > correctly dimensioned accoustic suspension jack, throw in a passive
    > low pass crossover, and connect the positive to the POSITIVE LEFT B
    > jack and connect the negaive to the NEGATIVE RIGHT B jack.  
    > Now, I switch the speaker selector over to B ONLY.  What does this do?

    While I don't know the specifics of your NAD amp, many home stereo amps
    have left and right negative speaker connections grounded to the chasis.
    If this is the case with the NAD, the driver will get the left channel
    signal only, filtered by the crossover.

    > Does the bridge my amplifier, like you can do with car amps?
    
    Most probably not.  The way to bridge stereo amps is to invert the
    polarity of the incoming signal on one channel, then tie the driver to
    the left and right positive output terminals.
    
    > Or, does this blow up my amplifier?

    Not knowing the details of the NAD, I can't say for sure.  I doubt it.

    > Do I get the sum of both channel's power into this hommade subwoofer?

    No.  See above.

    > Next, I set the speaker selector to A+B!!  NOW what happens?

    You'll probably get left & right full-range sound out of the Advents,
    plus left-only lows from the sub driver.

    > Does THIS blow up the amp?  Remember, I have 6 ohm advents on A,
    > and an 8 ohm sub, quasi-bridged on B.  WHAT HAPPENS????

    Again, no guarantees.  But, you're probably OK.  NADs have good output
    capabilities, at least for short periods.  Your amp may start to get
    warm.

    > What happens if I use a 4ohm driver?

    Your amp's left channel gets warmer and more grumpy.

    > By the way, I know I can use a dual voice coil driver, or i can use a
    > stereo pair of single voice coil drivers....but thats more expensive!

    Granted, but two coils is about the only way to get two-channel lows
    with a passive sub.  With another power amp, you could use an active
    crossover and bridge to one coil as I described above.  Good luck.

    -- Keith

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: "emphasis" indicator on Denon CD player
Keywords: Denon
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:39:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.053638.4591@acuson.com> hsu@acuson.com (William Hsu) writes:
>I have a Denon DCD 820 CD player and it has this "emphasis" indicator on
>the front panel.  When I play some of my classical CDs it would turn on
>automatically.
>
>No where in the instruction manual does it explain what this feature does.
>It only mentions "emphasis" feature in the description of the front panel
>display layout.  Does anyone know what this feature is or what it does?

Some recordings are made with a pre-emphasis curve (high frequency boost)
which requires complementary de-emphasis on playback.  That LED just 
indicates that you're playing such a CD and that the de-emphasis circuit
has been engaged.  Every CD player does it, but very few have indicator
lights.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Def Tech Prices/Opinions?
Keywords: Speakers
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:38:25 GMT

  I recently had the opportunity to listen to the Definitive
Technology BP-10's.  I actually liked their sound but I thought
that they were rather expensive.
  I would appreciate it if someone could tell me the price of
the BP-10s, BP-2's and the Def Tech centre channel speaker in the
US (I couldn't find them listed by a mail order company).  This
will at least give me an idea what I _should_ be paying for them
here in Canada.
  Also, any comments (or flames) about these speakers would be
greatly appreciated.
  Thanks in advance for any help.
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From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DAT and SCMS, some info
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.27653
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>The maker of an original digital source on an SCMS-implementing DAT
>has no choice about asserting the copy protection--it will be asserted, whether
>the maker wants it to be or not.

I've got some SCMS questions (sorry of this has already been discussed - I
haven't been reading this thread).

What happens when an SCMS DAT deck is sent a digital source that's
marked "unrestricted"?  Does it create an unrestricted copy or
does it treat it the same as the analog input - i.e marking it with
the code that allows one digital copy?

If so, are they any outboard A/D converts that produce a data stream
with the SCMS code set to unrestricted?  I guess that even if these do
exist, they will cost more than a pro (i.e., non SCMS) DAT deck so it's
not really an option for someone that wants to make their own
unrestricted recordings.

I have a pre SCMS DAT deck.  What happens when I feed the digital
output of this deck to an SCMS deck?  Does it look like an unrestricted
source?

Is the coding of the SCMS data such that the receiving deck can tell
that there is "no SCMS code" in the data stream and treat the input
differently?  Or is was the SCMS code just assigned to bits that
were always set to a constant value (like 0) in older equipment?

Curt
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: the rest of us: Blind leading blind?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:34:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24215
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <9044@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1mlr00@fed.frb.gov (Mark L Rodini) writes:

> Thus, the problem with a separate newsgroup for the "poor" is that
>it is unlikely to attract the very people for which most people read
>this newsgroup: those people knowledgeable enough to give sound advice
>(no pun intended).

I sincerely doubt this.  Most of the "audiophiles" won't listen
to "low-quality" equipment, even in their autos or on the
beach, so I don't think you'll get any advice from those who
claim to be "audiophiles" in the low end market.  (And, personally,
I often doubt "audiophile" advice is "sound advice")

Most of the people who are up on the technology are more likely
to read the group, I think, and you WILL be able to amass a
group experience  on issues like reliability and such, much more
easily that you can here, where you CAN get good advice, but you
also may get flamed by the "you tin-eared idiot" crowd, and where
the memory of the group's long-time participants seems to be less
than 4 months.

I think a separate group is a wonderful idea, even though I
wouldn't usually need such advice.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Summary: Speaker Opinions
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:18:24 GMT

  A little while ago I asked for opinions (on behalf of some
friends) on B&W speakers and alternatives in the $400-900 range.
Rather than reprinting all of the replies I received, I'll
summarize in tabular form.  I've listed the speaker maker, the
model (when suggester was specific) and the number of votes it
received.  The list is in alphabetical order (I hope :-).
  Thanks very much to all those who took the time to respond.

Speaker     Model     Votes   Notes
-------     -----     -----   -----
3A          MM          1
B&O         T1050       1
B&W         DM640       1
              570       1     No longer available
              801       1     Above price range, I think
              201       1
Def Tech    DR7         1
            BP10        1
Energy                        No model specified
Kef         Q90         1
Mirage      M3          1
Near        10M         1
Paradigm    Titans      1     Below price range, I think
            5se         1
            7se         3
            9se         2
PSB         800         1
            Alphas      1     Below price range, I think
Vandersteen 1B Revised  1

  I passed along all of the original messages to my friends
who will continue to audition speakers (particularly those
on this list).  It seems like Paradigm is definitely worth a
listen judging from the conviction of those who recommended them.
As an aside, I listened to the Definitive Technology DR7's and I
really liked their sound (and their look).
  I'm still open to suggestions, so if anyone wants to put in 
their 2 cents, go for it (by email, preferably).  Thanks again.

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Digital Amps -> next???
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:12:11 GMT

In article <4310@cvbnetPrime.COM> dhukill@esprit.prime.com (Dave Hukill x4056 5-1) writes:
>Now that we have CD, MD, DCC, DAT, and even Laser Disc players with digital
>outputs, and pre-amps that will accept and convert them to analog, the
>next logical step is digital amps, and obviously, speakers. Is this type
>of technology possible? Does it even exist? Assuming these are true, what
>advanatages/disadvantages would this provide? I think a discussion on this
>subject would be both interesting and educational.

I read a reviews in a British audio magazine about a year ago of a Sony
power amp that accepted digital input.

Advantage is to keep everything digital until the last DA and not have
problems with analog interconnects.


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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:05:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Satellite/Sub-woofer Speaker System & related questions.
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>The saleperson at the local audio store here (Circuit City) was adamant that 
>this was not the case. I spent an hour listening to a wide variety of stuff
>on the Bose Am-3's at the store, but I really could'nt figure out what was 
>missing. Does anyone have any opinions on this ? For the same price ($400/-) the 
>salesperson at Circuit City recommended the Harmon Kardon, HK 10 speakers. They
>seemed to be as good, if not better to my non-discerning ears, when compared
>to the Bose AM-3's, but I was a bit hesitant since I am not sure if HK makes
>good speakers. What do you people think ?
>
>I'd appreciate any feedback from you regarding these concerns.
>Thanks,
>
>sunil ramchandani	(sunil@fnma.com	  OR   sunil@cs.columbia.edu)
----------

Go to a "higher-end" stereo shop and listen to some of their $400 speakers
and tell us what you think.  Some to consider are Paradigm, Celestian,
and many others.  I've been TOTALLY floored from the sound I've heard for
the money out of some of the Paradigmn's I've heard.

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rajeev@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Rajeev Gupta)
Subject: Headphones - Sony/Sennheiser?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:43:43 GMT

I am planning to buy a pair of headphones to go with my Kenwood stereo
system (receiver KR-V8040 and other components).

I have looked at the Sony MDR-V6 ($69.50) and Sennheiser HD-150II (?)
($79.50).  Here's how I compare them -

Sony MDR-V6:
	- more comfortable ear pads
	- sleek looks
	- lower THD
	- cheaper by $10

Sennheiser HD-150II (?):
	- slightly better sound
	- straight wire (as opposed to the coiled one in Sony)
	- replaceable components, such as detachable speakers, pads etc.

What have been your experiences with these headphones?  Are there any
others I should consider too?

Thanks.

-- Rajeev
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:50:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>   MOST home cassette decks could be play-only and not affect the
>   market a bit.   Ditto for VCR's.  Strange that the buying public
>   doesn't buy play-only models, as that is how most are operated.
>   [although more VCR's are used to record than cassettes...still
>   the MAJOR useage for both is playback of pre-recorded material..]
>
That was probably BEFORE the VCR-Plus.  Most people I know don't record because
they say it is too difficult.  I love it going to nontechnical friends homes
and seeing if they have black tape over their VCR clocks (blinking!).

>   It is really only the "lunatic" or enthusiast fringe of audio
>   that does any appreciable home audio taping--self serving
>   statements from the record companies to the contrary.

Call me a looney, Lon! 8-)  Funny, I've purchased ONE prerecorded cassette
tape in my life and regretted it for the poor sound quality.  Luckily it was
stolen some 20 years ago from a friends car.  I do believe that many non-
technical people use tape decks to record CDs for auto and walkman use:  my
barber, both brothers (shoe salesman and liquor salesman), and my dad are four
examples.  I think tape decks get used for recording since they are much 
easier to use (until the VCR+ which the shoesalesman owns).

Kirk (won't buy DAT or DCC on PRINCIPLE) out