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From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus and the Dispersion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:58:32 GMT


>In-Reply-To: <1992Dec14.194805.25403@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
>
>> +From         : ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
>> +Subject      : Messiah Jesus and the Dispersion
>> 
>> A number of you asked me to qualify my remark that the cause 
>> of the dispersion was the rejection of Jesus.
>> 
>> I am sure that you know there were only 40 years between the cross
>> and the destruction of the temple.
>> 
>> Consider these Talmud entries:
>> 
>> Yoma 39b: During the last FORTY YEARS before the destruction
>> of the Temple ... the scarlet thread did not become white, nor 
>> did the western lamp shine; and the doors of the Holy of Holies 
>> would fling themselves open of their own accord.
>> 
>> Rosh Hashanah 31b: For the FORTY YEARS before the destruction of the 
>> Temple the scarlet thread never turned white but it remained red.
>> 
>> Analysis: When the western lamp fails to shine it means that God's
>> Divine presence the Shechinah has left the Temple.
>> 
>> When the scarlet thread fails to turn white it means the nation
>> Israel has not been forgiven by God.  As there has been no proper 
>> Yom Kippur then in the eyes of God Israel has been guilty since that
>> year.
>> 
>> Try and see beyond the coincidence.
>> 
>> I am curious to see what EXCUSES you crazy Orthodox come up with now.
>

Say, the annoying One, are you the Mashiach? 
Well, maybe not yet! But work at it! I mean, if one annoying guy guy
made it, why can't you? Come on, yo can do it! You are almost there! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
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Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go the hell away from here!   

Bye,
Dima
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward)
Subject: Re: land for peace----- NOT!!!!!!
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.154620.54962@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

>I say fuck the arabs

Now there's an interesting solution to the problem; interracial children, so
there is no difference between Arab and Jew!

Seriously, could we keep the politics on a politics group and of this
culture group; 

Now; if we can get the missionaries out, and keep "Serdar what's his face"
out, then maybe we could get back to some good Jewish culture (say a nice
OCR flame war :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:58:29 GMT

In <1992Dec16.000224.18252@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
Livni) writes:

>You compare Kahane to Assad, Saddam and Arafat and then you accuse ME
>of stirring??!!

Jake, let's get this straight once and for all: YOU brought up the
comparison, not me.  And my response to YOUR raising of the issue was
that Kahane's policies have similarities to those of Muslim
Fundamentalists.

>Did Kahane ever propose the holding of Arab communities as hostages
>for political means as Assad has done with his Jewish community?

No, he just proposed kicking them out or stripping them of civil
rights.  He magnanimously gave them the choice between the two.

>Did Kahane ever promise the Mother of All Battles to destroy the
>enemy and to scorch the Arab land they live on?

He never gained power.  Remember, power corrupts... while Saddam was a
nobody, he also didn't go around threatening people.  He bided his time.

>Did Kahane ever state that he would "pump 10 bullets into the chest"
>of anyone who disobeyed him?

He never gained power.

>While I certainly wasn't any follower of Meir Kahane, I find your 
>demonization of him disgusting and unwarranted.

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion.  I don't demonize Kahane; I just
state the fact that his policies are (1) racist and (2) extremely dangerous
to the survival of Israel.

[...]

>Do you still feel that 3-4 years mandatory military service is "not
>really" extraordinary?

For North Americans, sure it is.  But many other countries have quite
long periods of conscription.  Sure, Israel's situation is dangerous.
But how does that justify Kahane's policies, which will only make it
much more dangerous?

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
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From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: Messianic Judiasm
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:18:19 GMT

Interesting.  I attempted to email the following to the originator of the last
message in this thread, one johnson@itzb.com, only to have it bounce.  Whoever
you are, the fact that you're too much of a wimp to sign your messages and
that you change the address from which you post doesn't endear you very much
to those of us who care about Judaism (not Judiasm, shmuck).

> When you find real Jews in soc.culture.jewish espousing your views, then feel
> free to return and join the fray.  Why don't you just hold your breath until
> that happens, and in the meantime keep your foolish drivel to yourself.  In
> case you're too dense to figure it out for yourself, we're not interested.

-- 
Rick Turkel           (___  ____ _  _  _  _  _     _  ___   _  _ _  ___
(rmt51@cas.org)           )    |  |  \  )  |/ \     |    |   |  \_)    |
(rmt51@cas.bitnet)       /     | _| __)/   | __)    | ___|_  | _( \    |
      Rich or poor, it's good to have money.        |

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From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Just what IS the e-mail policy?? (was Re: STOP Spreading...)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:52:50 GMT

In article <dfs.724608525@sybok> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>I always assumed that it was OK to cite the basic idea in an e-mail, unless
>the sender specifically asked that this not be done.  

I always assumed that e-mail was private communication.

I never quote nor even refer to someone's e-mail in public unless I've
been given explicit permission from the sender.

The way I see it is this: if someone wants to speak to the whole
world, he or she will post to the net. 


--Mark
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:51:42
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Dec15.221407.19934@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
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In-reply-to: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:14:07 GMT

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:14:07 GMT, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) said:

> In article <1992Dec15.192320.12240@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

> # >BTW, what's an adult Bar Mitzvah?
>  
> # It's a Bat Mitzvah, and it's for those women who did not have a
> # formal ceremony when they were 12 or 13.  

> 	Nonsense.  A women is automatically Bat Mitzva at the age of 12.
> A man is automatically Bar Mitzva at the age of 13;.  

Let's clarify this. David is right: one becomes "Bar Mitzvah" automatically at
the appropriate age for your sex, regardless of ceremony. However, many Jews
do not have the *ceremony* when young (for example, I never had one, because I
didn't want to learn Hebrew at the time). An "Adult Ba[tr] Mitzvah" (to use a
regular expression) is a ceremony where you acknowledge to the community that
you have gone back to study and publicly demonstrate your ability to lead a
service. This is not typical in Orthodox communities, but is common in Reform
and Conservative.

In many ways, the path to the Adult Bar Mitzvah ceremony is harder than the
Child's. For most children, you need to learn how to conduct the service, read
from the Torah, and write your Bar-Mitzvah speech. This is in anticipation of
the big party afterwards. For adults, they have to learn the service and Torah
material, but most Rabbis also require some period of community service.
Adults don't do it for the party, but simply for the learning and personal
meaning involved.

I find Adult Bar Mitzvahs to be much more meaningful than a child's Bar
Mitzvah. About a year or so ago, I attended the Adult Bat Mitzvah of a fellow
netter (Hi Andrea!) and found it to be extremely meaningful -- more so than
most 13 year old's BM's I attend. I remember about 10 years ago when a dear
friend of mine -- in her 60s -- had her Adult Bat Mitzvah at Wilshire Blvd
Temple. Again, extremely meaningful.

Although the adult ceremony is not required to be BM, I find it something to
encourage. One of these days, I may go through it myself. For now, I serve the
community in my limited way through my participation in this group and the
mailing list (Liberal Judaism) that I run.

Daniel
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		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
From: ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Messiah Jesus: re atonement thru death of a person
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:50:18 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


Somebody asked for the Scriptural proof that a man
could die to make atonement for sins.

The reference is Isaiah 53 - it is called the FORBIDDEN CHAPTER
since it is never read in a synagogue.  Modern copies of the Tenach 
actually delete verses 53:4 onwards.

Although it is written in the past tense it is still a prophecy
about how the Messiah, the righteous servant, would be rejected by his 
own people but it pleased God because he made himself an offering
for sin.


LUCKY THAT JESUS DIED ON A PASSOVER - COINCIDENCE? not!

The absence of Temple proves that God no longer desires animal 
sacrifices for atonement.

Incidentally for those of you who believe in killing animals
for atonement I say why not kill a man for atonement?

If you want to see Rabbinic ideas on this see Pesikhta Rabbathi 
(midrash) Piskas 36.1 and 37.1 which also takes Psalm 22, the
crucifixion prophecy and applies it to the Messiah.
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From: hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: atonement thru death of righteous person
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
	<12059@hogg.ed.ac.uk> <1992Dec15.012554.15046@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:10:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.012554.15046@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

   In article <12059@hogg.ed.ac.uk> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
   >In article <9212112131.AA01147@hrt213.brooks.af.mil> tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes:
   >
   ><	Human sacrifice (which this is) is verboten.  Big time.
   >
   >What about Jephthah the Gileadite killing his daughter (Judges 11)?

   Just because it's *forbidden* doesn't mean people didn't do it.

   My take on the Yiphtach episode is that Yiphtach's oath (to make
   an offering of the first thing he saw) was an impious, perhaps
   blasphemous, one. (The odds that the first thing to come out of
   his door would be suitable for a burnt offering-- i.e. that it
   would be a goat, sheep, cow, dove, etc. without blemish-- were
   astronomically small. The odds that a sheaf of grain would come
   out to greet him were even smaller.) He should never have sworn
   the oath, and the oath was not binding. (If you swear an oath to
   commit a sin, I'm fairly sure it's not binding.)

   Not that God does not tell Yiphtach to sacrafice his daughter;
   rather, Yiphtach assumes that his oath must be binding. This
   looks like pride, or hubris, to me; rather than break his own
   sworn word, he commits a monstrous sin.

   Mind you, I haven't Learned about this. What do Chazal say?
   -- 
   Andrew Solovay    

   "SILENCE = QUIET"
				   --Girljock Magazine

Completely right.  He is held up as an example why an ignoramus cannot
be truly pious.  He is given as one of the examples of things that were
done IN SPITE of Hashem's command rather than because of it.

Some meforshim state that he didn't actually kill her but kept her
isolated and unmarried (similar to a convent).  However, this was still
regarded as a sin.

The meforshim also state that the high priest (who is believed to have
been Pinchas) was also punished for not going to Yiphtach to annul the
oath by losing his status as a prophet.  Yiphtach was punished by being
stricken with a disease which caused pieces of his body to rot and fall
off.  The medrash says that pieces of him were buried all over Eretz
Yisroel.

Nechama Leibowitz in her Studies on the Parsha (this is a haftorah),
quotes (I think) RMB"N "between the mother and the nurse the baby was
lost".

Yiftach was punished for not going to the high priest to have the oath
annulled.  "Me, the general of all Yisrael got to that civilian.  He
should come to me".

Pinchas was punished for not going to Yiphtach to save his daughter.
"Me, the high priest and propet go to that ignoramus.  He should come to
me."

--
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Electricity on Shabbat (was Re: Halacha)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:48:45 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <goldberg.724399638@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:
> I just
>claim that the fact that it is very hard to construct a complete system
>using electricity that would not have any chance to create a spark is enough
>to tell us why electricity is not used on Shabbath. There may be more reasons,
>
>Yaaqov Goldberg

What's the problem with a spark?  A spark is just electricity
in the air.  If there is a problem with sparks, one better not
walk on shabbat for fear of making a spark.  Static electricity
generated by walking across a carpet is much higher in voltage
than household voltages.  I can see no logic to the prohibition
of the use of electricity.  It is a prohibition by fiat and
ignorance as far as I can tell.


-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish joke
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:11:10 +0200
Keywords: stereotypes
Organization: University of Cape Town

> 
>>Did you know that automobile air-conditioning was invented by
>>three little old Jewish guys? Sure... I can prove it.
>>Their names are on your dashboard: Max, Norm and Hi.
> 
> **************************************
> 
> Max No Difference, Norm Mativ and Hi Dere, of course.
> 


Why should Max, Norm and Hi be considered to be either Jewish or old let alone
both Jewish and old. This looks like another nonsensical stereotype, this time
about Jews in English speaking countries having particular names.

The only Max I know is both young and Italian Catholic, I know precisely one
Jewish Norman and the only person named Hi that I know of is a non-Jewish
weekend newspaper comic strip character!!!!

Over here in South Africa I have encountered a bizarre stereotype myth that
Jews have names like Seymour, Sydney, Irwin. Good grief - surely these are
snotty Anglo-Saxon names not Jewish names. This stereotype makes no sense
in South Africa since most Jews either have Hebrew names or run of the mill
English names. But thats the thing about stereotypes, people believe them
despite evidence to the contrary.

Colin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: XMAS
From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:40:33 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec15.193515.11066@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu writes:
> How about "Happy Solstice". It's  non-religious merely making note of
> an astronomical event.

In fact, the origin of the December 25 date is pagan in origin, as are many
Xian traditions - early Xianity in the time of the Romans was merely a
substitute for the earlier pagan religions it replaced. The December 25 date
comes from the 4th Century C.E. edict of the Roman emperor Constantine to make
that the official birthday of Joshua ben Miriam. Before that, it was the
idolatrous festival of Natalis Invictus (the invincible Sun), representing the
rebirth of the Sun occurring on or near the winter solstice. Incidentally,
Constantine also shifted the Xian Sabbath from the Saturday to Sunday (the
Sun's official day) because the following of the pagan religion was too strong
and by coinciding Xian festivals on the same days he hoped that interest in the
earlier religion would be lost. Ever wonder why Joshua X. is alway depicted
with a halo around his head? It represents the Sun. He is the Sun god portrayed
in human form!

NB: Missionaries, this is not intended as a "flame".

David Maddison, Melbourne, Australia
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: Daniel 9 follow up
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:37:18 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <9212161542.AA21822@po.CWRU.Edu> <<ejd3@po.cwru.edu>> writes:
>
>The messiah will come when the Jewish people
>observe the laws.  By dissuading this, you
>are unwittingly(?) delaying the messiah's
>comming.

Really? I heard that the Messiah will come when Israel is
completely righteous or completely wicked.

I'm working on it from *my* side... it's you righteous people
who're slowing things up.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion Prophecy
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:51:44 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec16.081702.15300@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
|> In article <3059@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
|> >should remember that there are many newsreaders out there, and they
|> >are all LEGITIMATE INTERPRETATIONS!  We don't know which newsreader
|> >Moshe used at Sinai!  We do however know which shell, but you have
|> >to be 40 years old to find out.
|> 
|> Unless you wear a turban and practice medicine.

But as a real kernel hacker, he didn't use a shell.  Of course there are those
who claim that at the end of his life he became a shell user, but who really
knows.....

-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: THEY DIDN'T PIERCE typo
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:26:01 +0200
Keywords: ka-ari
Organization: University of Cape Town

 
> 
> I regard the fourth century as "early middle ages" and these codices are in
> fact the ones I had in mind. They confirm what I am saying. They are about 
> two centuries older than the time that the New Testament was written. The
                ^^^^^
   Sorry, this should have said "later" and not "older"
   (I hope I didn't cause any confusion.)

> Christians had plenty of time to fiddle the manuscripts. 


Colin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Messiah Jesus: Miracles in the Talmud
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:49:20 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


A number of you asked to see the references to Jesus miracles outside 
the New Testament.

Josephus: Antiquities 18.3.3

Now there was about this time Jesus ... a doer of wonderful works.


In the Talmud they accused him of sorcery:

San 43a: Yeshu has practised sorcery
San 107b: Jesus the Nazarene practised magic (also Sotah 47a)
AZ 27b: Discussion on Christian healings

Also there are a lot of hidden references to Jesus

Shab 104b: Did not Ben Stada [i.e. Jesus] bring forth witchcraft ...?


I wont insult the readers intelligence by asking you to accept the 
identity of Ben Stada, Ben Pandera, Balaam and many others as Jesus
but I dont think that you can doubt YESHU and JESUS THE NAZARENE.

Question for the idiot Orthodox:

Are the following miracles or sorcery?

Healing the sick, opening the eyes of the blind, creating food
out of thin air, walking on water, raising the dead, getting up 
from the grave etc.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Reply-To: H_Markowitz@att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:02:56 GMT


In article <92350.1609522893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

   In article <AGW.92Dec14121713@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>, agw@dsm.fordham.edu (Art
   Werschulz) says:
   >
   >
   >Santa bent his head down to the lad, and whispered quietly, "A gezunte
   >on deiner kopf, yingele."

A blessing on your head youngster.

   Not all of us speak Yiddish, could Yiddish speakers please also provide
   translations when they append yiddish phrases?
--
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Re: Holocaust jokes (was Re: To all Jews)
Organization: DEC - Customer Support Center, Alpharetta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:37:34 GMT

Here are two more:

(Forgive me if they have already been posted --
I've been away).

A Nazi confronted a Jew in Poland and demanded
to know who had started the war.  The Jew
dutifully replied, "The Jews..." and then
added, "and the bicyclists!"

The Nazi asked, "Why the bicyclists?"

The Jew replied, "Why the Jews?"

===


Two Nazi officers in a concentration camp were
having an argument over the difference between
an accident and a tragedy.  Finally, they decided
to ask one of the clever Jewish inmates for
an opinion.

The Jew explained, "If Hitler were to slip on
a banana peel, break his neck, and die, that
would be an accident.  But if he were to
survive that would be a tragedy!"



Harry Katz
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