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From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Whats the title/Author of this story
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:18:14 GMT

On 7 Oct 92 at 14:51:06 GMT, wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown) wrote:
> another "intersection" of SF/Trains
> was a short story named something like "A Subway Called Mobius."  Don't
> remember the name of the author, or even where/when I read it.

"A Subway Named Mobius" was written by A.J. Deutsch. Since it is
copyright (1950) by Street & Smith Publications Inc., I guess it
originally appeared in a magazine. I have it in a 1968 collection
called "A Hundred Years of Science Fiction" edited by Damon Knight.
The title was something of a misnomer as most of the stories were from
the 1950s and the earliest (Rudyard Kipling's wonderful "With the
Night Mail") was from 1908. But a good collection of very thought-
provoking stories for all that, no doubt long out of print now.

-- 
Regards

Steve Fagg      ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 )
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Translation (was Re: Language and the New Sun)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:59:35 GMT
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In article <1992Oct14.170837.26176@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdr11@phx.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Rees) writes:
>
>I don't know how much fiction you read that appears in translation;
>probably not much if you're a confirmed sf junkie, sf being a primarily
>English-language genre, but you should take a look at what _real_
>translators can do.  Pick up a copy of _The Futurological Congress_ by
>Stanislaw Lem and translated from Polish.

Yes.

Since he is quite a capable sf writer in his own right, it should be
mentioned that that translator is Michael Kandel.

c
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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:11:29 GMT

@apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:


>|> In article <22416@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>|> > 
>|> > We were discussing SF novels or novellas that were by other than the
>|> > "mainstream" authors (e.g., Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Bradbury, etc.)
>|> > that haven't been made into movies, but would be great.
>|> 

>I always thought the first book of Anne McCaffery's The Dragonriders of Pern 
>would make a good movie if they could pull off the Dragon effects well.

I think they could if they cared. Have you ever seen "Dragonslayer"?
If the F/X were as good as there, you couldn't ask for more. (I heard
the dragon was a stop motion puppet whose images of movement were then
blurred by a computer, which made me never notice that SMA was even in-
volved. This makes me wonder about other, more recent movies which used
SMA, too, and a high budget. (e.g. RoboCop) But watching those it's
rather frustrating to see such King-Kong-like features. Does anybody
know why they don't use computers there to make the motions look real?
Instead they use the graphics for demonic faces, looking like real
kitsch! (RoboCop 2) Sheesh!)
I wonder what Jurassic Park will be like, eventually.


May the Cool Finish the Cretaceous!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Sexual Politics and Diane Duane (was re Diane Duane, _D into Fire_)
Keywords: viewpoint
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:00:00 GMT
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>>My friend,BTW, was very surprised to discover a third ["door"] book exists
>>and is chomping at the bit to get it(he works at Waldenbooks and usually
>>knows this sort of thing before I do).
> 
>Very unusual - I got it in paperback some [months?]time ago in the UK;
>normally they appear in the states much earlier than the UK.

     I got THE DOOR INTO SUNSET as an import from the UK (from Corgi)
     a few months ago, and at that time, no US publisher had yet
     been found.
     As far as I know, it will be out in the US before Christmas
     as a hardcover, but I don't know from which house.  
     (The total cost, including shipping from the store in NYC
     that got it for me, was $11 - not bad at all, and significantly
     less than a US hardcover edition...)

     I know from Vonda McIntyre that Diane used to be online
     here every once in a while - I know she's still around
     on CompuServe, but that's too rich for my blood - and it
     would be interesting to hear what Ms Duane had to say
     about her Tale of the Five, if she's been reading the
     various recent threads about it...  

     (And if you are reading: Do I have to hold my breath
     much longer for THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY?????)


                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:43:57 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


>>digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran) writes:
>>>I would love to see the "Ellenium" series by David Eddings(sp) put to the
>>>playscreen.  It's your basic fantasy adventure mix in with lots of humor.
>>And lots of gore. That's a point in favor of it selling but against it
>>making a good movie. And it's _bloody long_! It would take a movie the
>>length of _Dances With Wolves_ to do justice to each one of the books.
>>(I'm not even going to respond to the person who suggested the _Bel-
>>gariad_ as a series of films!) I have to admit, though, it would be
>>great to see a well-done screen version of any Eddings Epic Fantasy
>>Megaseries (tm).

>C'mon, it wouldn't be like rated PG(for my taste anyways).  There are
>plenty of movie that have detailed graphic violence.
>Like you have stated, the problem is lenght(chuckle). It took me about 6 hours
>to read each of the book.  Total of 18 hours.  It would be great if 
>it could be squeeze into 2-3 hours of movie time.  Another way is to make
>a separate movie for each of the book.  But, it would have to be adapted to
>make the ending of each book climatic, like the Star Wars trilogy.
>Oh well, the likely hood of some producer wanted to do this is next to zelch.
>later,
>doug
>BTW: has Edding released any follow up books to the "Ellenium" yet?

Or you could do a "Dune" and cut the movie size down anyway, skipping
most of the plot/idea and get just the scope and scale.

	- Ron
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:07:47 GMT

In article <22416@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
> 
> We were discussing SF novels or novellas that were by other than the
> "mainstream" authors (e.g., Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Bradbury, etc.)
> that haven't been made into movies, but would be great.

This is kind of a tangent, but I was rereading Moorcock's _Elric of
Melnibone_ recently and I suddenly thought:  picture Elric as a
Wagner-style opera!  I think it would be really cool.  Not a rock
opera but a real one.

Though rock opera has its comic possibilities . . . 

(to the tune of "Mony Mony")
Well here comes Elric of Melnibone . . . 

:-)

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Author Polls -- Frank Herbert
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:33:43 GMT

Herbert is another particularly awkward poll subject.  I suspect that
the results will be particularly distorted by differences of opinion
as to whether to treat the Dune series as one book, one series, or
six individual books.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope

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From: std_wilson@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: PRICE GUIDE
Reply-To: std_wilson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:55:32 GMT

	I seem to recall having seen a book or magazine which listed the 
supposed values of many out of print SF & F paperbacks and hardcovers.
If anyone knows of such a publication I would appreciate nay information
you might have.
		Thanks in advance, 
				Bill
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From: kocherp@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Carl Kocher)
Subject: A tough trivia question...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305 USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 08:08:07 GMT

A friend asked for help with this SF trivia question, and even though I've
read a good bit myself, I don't have any answer, so thought I'd see if any
netters might have ideas:

"What popular American sci-fi author parodied the opening lines of
a great American novel in one of his books?"

Merci --
Paul Kocher
kocherp@leland.stanford.edu
kocherp@kocher.stanford.edu
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From: "milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com>
Subject: tolkien ?
Reply-To: "milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:10:22 EST

MC>I think a Tolkien newsgroup could stay in the alt.* tree.
MC>If no Tolkien newsgroup exist anywhere, we should proceed to create one.

Absolutely.  Now just how does one create a newsgroup?  Also, it _might_ be
a good idea to keep it a little bit more general, like Inklings or
something. (I personally don't care for Lewis, but many do).
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From: doom@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: _Lord of Light_
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:25:05


_Lord of Light_ is indeed an excellent, entertaining book
and I think I can recommend it to anyone reading this.

There are a few reasons it might be hard going for the
science-fictionally illiterate, and I can never decide which
is dominant:  

(1) it requires a certain facility at building a model of
the world behind the story as various hints and incomplete
explanations are dealt out by the author. 

(2) many of the elements in the story can be found in other
SF stories, and the more you've read, the easier it is to
figure out what's going on.  

(If I were going to design a course in SF I think I'd
suggest reading Niven's _A Gift From Earth_ first.) 

As for some of the criticisms... the flash back was *mildly*
confusing, but come on, don't be such a lazy reader.  And I
didn't even notice that the shaggy-dog story was there the
first few times I read it: the material works on it's own as
part of the story. 


My main criticism might be that the central idea of the
book... the cynical fake who is paradoxically a great,
inspiring teacher, despite, or perhaps because of the lack
of sincerity... is dealt with more tightly in the short
story _A Rose for Ecclesiastes_.




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From: jat@cch.coventry.ac.uk (STBW)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:16:39 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: ASHTRAY(Against Short Hair That Really Annoys You)

I'd still like to see a totally book following films of the following
Great SF Books ;
		The War Of the Worlds  - HG Wells
		Dune, the other bits   - Frank Herbert
		HHGTTG, all 5 books    - Douglas Adams
		Tea time & Dirk Gentle - Douglas Adams (again)
		and lots more that I can't remember !!!!

		
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From: cate3.osbu_north@XEROX.COM
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Subject: My three cents on "A Fire Upon The Deep" by Vernor Vinge
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:16:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: Xerox.".8-Oct-92.17:16:43.PDT".*.Henry_Cate_III.OSBU_North



     The bottom line is I enjoyed the story.  
     It has some of the same feel as some of David Brin's stories, like 
"Star Tide Rising".  The story takes place in the future, there is lots 
of science, fun and unususal aliens, and interesting characters.
     The plot is fairly interesting.  A big huge monster threatens to 
enslave the whole galaxy, but our heros may know of a key to control the 
villian, but they are not sure just what the key is.
     One of the twists in this Universe is that the speed of light is 
not constant.  At various levels in the galaxy, the speed changes.  
     The description of the galaxtic net is interesting, especially for 
anyone who has been on Earth's small internet.  The Galaxtic net has a 
strong role within the story.  There is some discusion of the mechanics 
of a net which spawns billions of worlds.
     One of the more interesting races in the book is the Tines which are 
a race roughly the size and shape of a wolve, but they are only really
functionally intelligent in groups of four to eight.  A single Tine is 
not very smart.  They communicate to each other as much as we think to 
ourselves.  It was facinating to read about their history and think about 
how such a race would function.
     So if any of this sounds interesting, go get the book!
     Have a good day.

     Henry III
From: wjb@moscom.com (Bill de Beaubien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Orson Scott Card, Clarion, and RAH
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:58:30 GMT
Reply-To: wjb@moscom.com
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.3 beta PL7]

John Kim (kim@LCLARK.EDU) wrote:
: 
: 	Anyone out there familiar with Orson Scott Card's fiction? I loved
: his Tales of Alvin Maker series and was wondering when his next book in
: that series was. I thought I saw a hardcover of his called Hatrack River
: in a used bookstore. 
Nope, it's the SF Book Club's anathology of the first three.
-- 
Who needs lime jello?  We had lasagna...
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From: ott@ansoft.com (nancy ott)
Subject: Re: CJ Cherryh
Organization: Ansoft Corp. Pittsburgh
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:34:43 GMT

In article <13096@ecs.soton.ac.uk> ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:
>In <1992Oct9.221759.27476@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:
>
>>I don't see much difference between Mallory and Yeager.  Both are
>>typical soldiers the way Cherryh likes to paint them: fiercely loyal to
>>whatever group they happen to belong to, and casual about killing off
>>everybody else. Mallory's defection, which happened to be the Right
>>Thing, only happened because Mazian wounded her pride and threatened to
>>interfere with Norway's internal affairs.  [stuff deleted]

>I can't see that Mallory's defection was purely a case of wounded pride.
>She's far too intelligent to let that affect her actions to such a degree.
>I do think that she'd had a lot of doubts about the ability of the Fleet
>to survive, and she knew that they'd lost, which made what they were about
>to do to Pell (in which she had a crucial role) pretty pointless. While she
>is pretty cold-blooded (to put it mildly), I think she hates to kill without
>good reason. [stuff deleted]

Also, it's implied in Downbelow Station that Mallory's defection to
Alliance was partly based on seeing the horrific conditions on the
Hansford (the refugee ship whose life support broke down in transit
during the evacuation of the stations at the beginning of the book),
and realizing that Pell would just be the Hansford on a grand scale if
Mazian's plans were carried out.

*However*, I think Mallory's wounded pride and self-interest were the
main motivational factors, not a sudden crisis of conscience.  


- nancy


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From: mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman)
Subject: Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix"
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:30:18 GMT

In article <ROWE.92Oct6173451@soda.glorantha.berkeley.edu>, rowe@soda.glorantha.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe) writes:
>Well, unless Anson MacDonald is a pseudonym of Heinleins this reference is
>incorrect. I have the story Goldfish Bowl in Groff Conklin's _The Golden Age
>of Science Fiction_. It has _Goldfish Bowl_ by Anson MacDonald published in
>Astounding Science Fiction in 1942. I don't know where people are getting
>all these other references from.
>
>eric
Sorry, Eric.  Anson MacDonald WAS one of R.A.H.'s pseudonums!!  He
at one time had TWO top stories in Astounding, one under each name!
However, the editorial staff found out and asked him not to do this
anymore as they did not consider it fair to other writers - Heinlein 
didn't give a damn, he wrote to make money!

I have 'Goldfish Bowl' in _Assignment_In_Eternity_, along with other
gems 'Gulf', 'Otherwhen', and 'Jerry was a Man'.  It is too bad Heinlein
discovered he could make more money writing novels, his short stories
were good.
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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Subject: The Scienticaf\'e of Hugo Gernsback
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:02:10 GMT


  "This is one of our best restaurants, and I think you
will prefer it to the old-fashioned masticating places."

  [Ralph 124C 41 + and his girlfriend Alice 221 B 423 whet
their appetites in the Appetizer, an hermetically sealed room
where they are subjected to hunger-causing gases.  Then
they remove to the dining room.]

  ...The silver mouthpiece was then placed in the mouth and
one pressed a red button.  The liquid food which one selected
would then begin to flow into the mouth, its rate of speed
controlled by the red button....

    Meat, vegetables, and other eatables, were all liquified
and were prepared with utmost skill to make them palatable....

    ...They did not have to use a knife and fork, as was the
custom in former centuries.  Eating had become a pleasure.

   "Do you know," said Ralph, "it took people a long time
to accept the scientific restaurants?"

            ---From _Ralph 124C 41 +_ by Hugo Gernsback
From: blj@wam.umd.edu (Barry Johnson)
Subject: Re: Wild Cards?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:49:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.022758.1641@openage.openage.com> ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
>I agree regarding the fizzling.  Recently the authors seem to be
>trying to one-up each other with attempts to be the most perverse.
>
>P.S. The Great and Powerful Turtle is still around and is still
>the best character; the rest, especially Dr Tachyon, are degenerating
>into characters you hope die just so that you do not hear about them
>anymore.  Many times I hoped he/she/it would die in the solo novel
>but no such luck.
>-- 

I tend not to agree, at least not to the extent of becoming fed up with the
series.  I think there was alot to be said for the complexity of the plot
running through books 4 through 7 and I noticed some character development,
even though I probably wouldn't have minded much if there wasn't.  Ok so
I'm biased. ;)  I do agree that this latest 'series' of stories has been
drawn out a bit too long and the newest volume could have been cut back
to a single story while including some other characters in their own 
stories as well.  As I see it, the way the plot had been progressing the
story had to be written, but I don't think it deserved the whole volume.
I'd rather the books go back to the format of different interconnected 
stories rather than one large jumble (although I LOVED 6 and 7). 

As an afterthought, for some strange reason Dealer's Choice reminded me of
the second season opener of the War of the Worlds series that was on a 
couple of years ago.  Not in plot, just in mood and feel.
 
Shrug.
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From: coen@rivm.nl (Coen Fischer)
Subject: Garden of RAMA believable?
Organization: R.I.V.M.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:56:18 GMT

There is a lot of traffic on 'The Garden of Rama' by Clark and Lee.
Perhaps I missed it, but I saw no discussion of the plausibility of
the story. It seems to me that the story is based on a community of
somewhere between 200,000 and 2,000,000 people instead of the
2000 people available. Does anybode share this view?

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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein's "Goldfish Bowl" timeless?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:19:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct9.124505.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>
>Well, you don't see too many operational bathyspheres these days.

There never were very many at a time.  I think the current one is
Alvin II?
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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Diane Duane, _Door into Fire_
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:25:48 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Hm, I think it's possible that if you were gay by nature (oh, let's
not start *that* flame war), BUT you confined your reading to the
bible and your company to ultra-conservative types, then maybe you
would have forced yourself to live a non-gay lifestyle. This might make
your mother happy. This might even be what people mean by "those
books made you gay."  But I can't believe the books cause the
tendencies; only that they give you the outlook that allows you to
express the tendencies.

Ob. sf reference: This (repressing the tendencies) was what Vanyel's 
father (in _The_Last_Herald_Mage)
was trying to do, by never telling him there was such a thing as 
shay a'chern.  Like, "I know he's gay, but I can keep him from knowing
it or doing anything about it." 

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
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