HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin "Zonker" Isaacson)
Subject: I'm with Dave  (was Re: A letter to Dave Bagget)t
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 10:15:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.191513.3742@nosc.mil>, healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) would have us believe:
] 
] While still an ST supporter (I'd like to get a '40 Falcon if the beast ever is released),
                                                            ^^
] I have noticed a lot of people have disappeared from this group over the past few years.
] 
] Mike Healy 
] 
] healy@nosc.mil 
] 

Your message makes the point that has put me off Atari for a long time now.  
There is NOBODY in the PC world who is saying "if the 586 (or whatever they are
calling it) is released."  Its not a worry.  I've supported Atari since 1983 
when I bought my first Atari 400.  They are great computers but I cannot spend 
the rest of my life wondering if there will be any support for my computer 12 
months from now.  Granted, the Falcon looks like a  great machine, but if it 
doesn't make it that's basically it for Atari.  I don't want to sink $1000+ 
into a computer when the chance of it being supported in a year is 50/50 at 
best.  For that same $1000 I can buy a PC compatible which will be supported 
into the next century AT LEAST.  The features and capabilities of the Falcon 
simply do not justify taking that sort of a gamble.  

ITS REALLY NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE! 

Nifty toys like the DSP are not going to grab the mass market and that is what 
Atari has got to do to stay in business.  Sorry, but my next computer  
will be an Intel machine.  Maybe then I can sleep at night.


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From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: QuickBBS on MegaSTE?
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:18:58 GMT

Original to: paetau@mits.mdata.fi
In a message of <04 Dec 92 15:42:04>, paetau@mits.mdata.fi (3:713/602)
writes:

 p> What all can the newest version of QBBS do, where can I get it from,
 p> and does it work on MegaSTE? Oh, and can it handle multiple nodes?
 p> Thanks in advance!

Heaps, lots of places, yes and no, not yet, thanks to GFA).

If you like, mail me & I can give more details - I've run it here for >12
months, so I should be able to answer your questions 8)

 p> | Rasmus Paetau (paetau@mits.mdata.fi) | Waiting for the Atari Falcon |

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From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 10:07:07 +0100
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de

Christopher, why do you  use "OS/2> " as a quote string? I  don't
think  it's  a good idea to use quote strings which are  six  (!)
characters long. It's an utterly useless waste of bandwidth,  and
it  considerably  lowers  the  signal  to  noise  ratio  of  your
postings, as those nonsense strings are 100% noise. Plus, if many
people developed such habits, line lengths would rapidly approach
infinity after being quoted for a few times...

In <9212222830@ritz.mordor.com> ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz) writes:

>Jan T. Kim (aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de) wrote:

>OS/2> Windows NoThanx etc. are not among them. Regarding Macs,  if  you
>OS/2> say  their  OS  is  smooth you must have taken a very superficial
>OS/2> look at it. I agree, the OS "looks and feels"  rather  neat,  but
>OS/2> beyond that surface there are nightmares and loads of weird stuff
>OS/2> buried. Beware.

>More than TOS???  Hehe, let's get some perspective here.  MacOS is
>a dream compared to the daggers you'll find hidden all over TOS.

A dream, maybe. A nightmare, to be more precise. At least, that's
what  I call an OS which doesn't provide anything like a function
to save the desktop, but instead insists on presenting  you  with
the  mess  you  left  last  time.  I  don't  want an OS that will
suddenly ask me to insert a disk which  I  have  forgotten  about
since  long.  I hate to be constantly worried about large amounts
of data that may not yet have been written to disks and  will  be
lost  should the system hang. On a more "expert" level, the weird
shuffling about and purging the Mac does with  its  resources  is
utterly  brain-damaged,  and  actually  even worse than a garbage
collection on a C64. And so on and so on... this much may suffice
for now.

>OS/2> Also, remember that there are a lot of  different  things  pepole
>OS/2> may  want to do with their computer. If someone just wants to run
>OS/2> a word processor, a spreadsheet and a graphics program, he can do
>OS/2> that on a PC running Windows or on a Mac, despite all the horrors
>OS/2> buried in them. Even more, a Mac or PC may actually suit  such  a
>OS/2> person's  need  better  than an Atari. But if someone wants to do
>OS/2> some programming too, he will probably be much better off with an
>OS/2> Atari.

>And use what development tools?

For me, GFA basic has worked well until  now.  Other  than  that,
there's Pure C, Pure pascal, gcc, g++...

Greetinx, Jan

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From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A47135
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

w>say the Falcon provides Super-VGA is another issue.  Personally, I
w>prefer to say "Better than VGA" or "More than VGA" graphics.

btw, the latin word "super" means "better than" or "more than"...
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:45:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <72363@cup.portal.com> Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com writes:
>After years of Retelle watching I still hold the hope that _some_ day he'll
>grow up. Most of the people who make it to Usenet know the failings of
>Atari, some better than Bob, most of us have managed to avoid the pit he
>wallows in.

Happiness is BobR in a kill file.

At least I don't have to read his whining any more.  

And people wonder why Atari doesn't read/respond to the net.


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From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RE: Falcon - Future
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:55:02 GMT

Original to: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl
In a message of <11 Dec 92 11:07:32>, qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (3:713/602)
writes:

 q> I do seem to remember an RTC transcript from GEnie (or something) in Z-
 q> Net about a year ago, when Sam Tramiel said that FSM was ready for
 q> shipping, and that they were just waiting for the designer packaging. I
 q> don't keep old issues of Z-Net (or was it STR?) so I cannot check this,
 q> but this is what I remember.

That is, indeed, what he said.  You're not telling me you _believed_ him?
(I think it may have been Bob Brodie though)

 q> YHS:QSI!

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From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Big bad BobR
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:06:19 GMT

In article <92357.111215SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Dave Bagget was utterly screwed by Atari and I cannot believe the *morons* who
>think what happened to him was his fault

For the record:

Dave Baggett was not 'utterly screwed' by Atari.  He was treated
unprofessionally.  Nothing "happened to him" which may be construed to be his
own fault, with the exception of the handling of the media which they brought
to demonstrate (this assuming that I correctly read his first posting about the
setup on his Syquest cartridge).

I have my own opinion on how such a meeting *should have been* arranged, and
have stated those opinions.  Much of that opinion was based upon the
presumption that Double-Click sought the interview with little more than the
idea of showing Atari what Game Workbench could do, which is what the
initial postings appeared to state.

Dave Baggett was also bound by a contract with a software house which
apparently did not have the resources remaining to produce the software in a
timely manner.  I own several of Double-Click's products, and would not have
thought that there were problems over the past year, given their advertising
and announcements about the soon-to-be-released Game Workbench.

I think that blame for the non-release of Game Workbench is misdirected at
Atari Corporation.  It certainly cannot be directed at Dave Baggett.

>and finally, I don't think that the Falcon will be a very successful computer
>nor will any of the new Amigas.

If by success you mean "millions sold here", I will agree.  Then again, I don't
think that any of the current computer systems will ever be truly integrated
into every household either.  I'd certainly watch Phillips' attempts at entering
the Interactive CD market -- after all, consumer machines are what people
purchase.  (There are more game consoles in homes than computer systems.)

-- David Paschall-Zimbel
From: lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Setting SCSI # and LUN #
Date: 28 Dec 92 09:06:58 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET

RE: SCSI Lun#

I do not know about Supra but the drives I have seen from ICD all contain
an easy way to change LUN number. There is a scwitch back of drive whre
you can select any number (1-5,7 6 is for the clock). ICD can also boot
from any drive, so you could connect both drives on-line. The 
only thing you must do is run HDUTIL to configure the boot-drive.
Perhaps it is necessary first to turn off the supra-boot.

Kimmo

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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: word on US falcons???
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:29:45 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <3_800_842_fidonet2b2fb332@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith) writes:
>Original to: ekrimen@wet.UUCP
>In a message of <06 Dec 92 01:28:30>, ekrimen@wet.UUCP (3:713/602) writes:
>
> e> The ST Book is being redesigned and the ST Pad (STylus) was scrapped.  I
> e> guess Atari didn't want to turn out like Momenta. :^)
>
>I read a depressing article in the Oz weekly PC rag (PC week of all things
>8) about "pad" style computers - everyone that they surveyed agreed that
>they were the wave of the future, but _NOBODY_ was planning on buying any.
>(we're talking major companies, consultancies, etc here)
>
>Whether atari found the same thing, or the tramiels just love this keyboard
>(ick 8) ... I dunno.

I think the problem is that no one really has any specific applications for
the pad computers, so there's no way to market it.  Momenta's marketing seemed
to be, "Here's one of the first pad computers.  Buy it."  It's not like a Mac
which you buy for DTP, or an Amiga which you buy for video, or an ST you buy
for MIDI, or a PC which you buy for everything else.  The pads needed a specific
application and there really wasn't one.  On top of that, the technology really
wasn't there to support it; the machines have to be smaller, lighter, and
the pen recognition, if that's what they want to use for the interface, must
be better.  From what I've read, Atari's recognition software was pretty good,
but Atari doesn't seem to be, at this point at least, the company to push a
major change in computing, such as pen/pad computing.  It would take a lot
of advertising and marketing, similar to what Apple did with the Mac, and we
all know how Atari likes to advertise. :^)  Especially without any kind of
certainty that it would be worthwhile.

Pen computing is/was just a shot in the dark.  It'll most likely be back later,
as Arnold would say perhaps, "Ah'll be bahck." :^)


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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon - Future
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:15:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The point that michael.smith seems to be trying to avoid is that
PC based computers CAN be upgraded, no matter what the "little"
hassles may be, while ANY Atari computer CANNOT be upgraded without
doing a lot of "hacking and slashing"...
 
If you need to take an hour to install a '386 board into a '286
computer, then maybe the girls in the Terminals department could
help.. they do it all the time.  Upgrading computers is one of the EASY
things to do, IF the computer is designed for it..

So what's your point..?

Are you trying to say that "all PCs suck and we all know it" and
Atari rulez..?
 
Sure there are compatibility problems in a platform that allows
expansion.. but are you trying to say that the ST platform doesn't
have compatibility problems BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXPANDABLE..?
 
Sounds pretty silly, Michael...

BobR
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: Command Line Interpreters
Reply-To: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:54:40 +1200

In <1992Dec25.224102.13174@prime.mdata.fi>, Rasmus Paetau writes:
>
>I want to find a CLI that is :
>
>1) Easy to use
>2) Supports batch files
>3) Supports environment variables
>4) Has an efficient command set
>
>Can anybody recommend something?

I find "mupfel" that comes with Gemini pretty good.
 I use it for my uucp software Steve, if you were wondering, and no, I don't
 use the GEM desktop either, I use the Gemini one ... much better! :-)

  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR)
Subject: Captive Revisited...
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:07:02 GMT

Hi guys!!!

     Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to all the guys out there who replied my thread on Captive! The mail (quite a bit of it) I received have answered all my quiestions (and then some!!) So thanx and don't write anymore! (I'm still back-logged on my thank you notes B^D)

AcEzE.

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From: hasse@solace.hsh.se (Hans Holmberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:40:20 GMT
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden

In <1h2r5bINNqv5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>Ed, I can buy a 386 DX 25 MHz clone with an 85 meg HD, 8 expansion slots,
>a 3.5" 1.4 meg drive, a 5.25" 1.2 meg drive, and a SVGA monitor for
>$799.

But you forget that to get the same *subjective* performance as a F030 you
would have to buy a 486DX33 with a very fast graphicscard that have at least
64k colors, a DSP board of any kind AND something like the soundblaster.

Tell me the price of that!

(btw, I have run Windows on a 486DX25 in 256 colors.. It crawls..)

>Oh, and it would include 2 Megs.

Well, memory aint expensive... Atari should have put in 4 megs as minimum.

>Along with Windows and the choice of THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of
>software titles.

I wouldn't put my name on a product like Windows. I would be *ashamed* to
release such a lousy done software. Oh, could you please tell me of some
software which doesn't exists on the ST??

(btw, windows isn't a software title, it's a substitute for MS/DOS ;)

>There are also MANY developers working on new software for it, not
>just a handful.  Anyone will fix it if it breaks.  And there
>is no need for me to beg the company for support.

Correct!

>No, Atari's needs an edge besides the DSP.

I think Atari has an egde, the question is wether they will blow it or not...

/Hasse
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From: Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: the "real" Gemulator 2.0 featu
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:27:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MS.A54526
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

Darek Mihocka (darekm@microsoft.com) wrote:
>This message is to clear up some confusion. Two German magazines have
>published rather bogus reviews of Gemulator because they either didn't wait
>until we shipped them review copies of the product or as in the case of
>ST Magazin, got a total idiot to do the review which ended up being full of
>incorrect statements, including incorrect system requirements, incorrect
>benchmark results, and even listed the wrong price and wrong dealer! The
>price in Germany is not 555 DM and the distributor is NOT Richter. My sources
>indicate that Richter is actually cloning the Gemulator boards and selling
>pirated versions of it. ST Magazin at no time contacted us to verify their
>facts nor did they inform us that they were even reviewing the product!

Speaking as one (other) freelance author for 'ST Magazin':

(1) If a german distributor sends out hardware and software for testing,
    we generally trust them that they are allowed to distribute the
    product. If the tested hardware really was a clone (why is
    'BRANCH ALWAYS SOFTWARE' printed on the board then???), please
    send a clarification to the publishers.
(2) The prices mentioned are 555 DM (Richter) and 299.95 $ for the USA.
    Both the 'Richter' address and the BRANCH ALWAYS address was
    published.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:37:11 GMT

In article <11508@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>The DSP is a sound processor, making the Falcon very attractive to
>musicians.  And Dave already told us how other machines had captivated
>the graphics market.
>
>
>--
>Warwick
>--

Amen! Music was the reason I got my Atari in the first place, and music
is the reason I will get a Falcon (but wait for a 68040 version). It
sounds like a nice upgrade to me, being that I'm still happy with my
1040stf (I got it in '87 I think). And I work with Sun, SGI, etc.
including pcs (I'm sorry, but pcs turn me off), so my opinion is
not based on no exposure to different platforms.

And thank you Howard for providing the useful factual info about the
Falcon that you have provided.
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:03:49 GMT
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Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>Now we're talking about insecure Atari owners who feel it necessary to
>typecast anyone who buys an 80x86 machine, simply because it runs DOS.

It comes from experience.  I've played with a LOT of different machines
in my day.  (Happens that I sell computers for a living...)  From VIC 20
to 64 to AMiga, from 400 to 800 to XE to ST and TT, from Mac at several
levels and from XT to current dinosaur.  ANd it's a simple choice for
me:  I get the most productivity in the least time with my ST.  And facts
are facts.  You go ahead and buy your $899 '486 with monitor.  WOn't
offend me any at all if you find yourself headed for a service station
in the VERY NEAR FUTURE.  When you buy cheap, you get cheap.  Simple as
that.
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From: Achim_Wilhelm@m4.maus.de (Achim Wilhelm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: *.Z compression
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:48:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: M4.A6780
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

*.Z is a FREEZEd file. So, use FREEZE for decompress it.

regards, Jimmy

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From: herby@danubix.ulm.sub.org (Herbert Dampel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Node Ulm/Donau.
Subject: Re: HELP! Hermes 1.03B problems
Reply-To: herby@ul.open.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:57:28 MET

In <1992Dec19.053514.19965@debug.cuc.ab.ca>, Conan Ford writes:
  >I am having problems with the 'login' and 'gus' programs of Hermes 1.03B. 
  >Both prompt with a 'login: ', and after accepting the user name, they do
  >about a 1 second disk access and lock up.  I do not think that they are
  >having problems finding the shell program or user directory, as if I chang
  >change the names of these it reports an error first.

1. Do you have a \etc\passwd -File ?
2. If you have, have you writen comments into the file ? DONT !!!
3. Is your config.sys setup right ?

cu l8ter mfG herby@danubix.ulm.sub.org

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