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From: dean@agora.uucp (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Driver's License as only acceptable ID
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:16:22 GMT

[LOTS OF STUFF DELETED IN THE INTEREST OF BANDWIDTH]
>>> In MA I've personally been denied
>>>a checking account at BayBank (I had two MA-issued identifications --
>>>one non-drivers and one liquor, and my original birth certificate and
>>> SS card at the time), a passport...
>
As a bank-type person, I can say this:  The banks I have worked for refuse
to take state issued ID cards as ID to open an account because it seems
people who can't keep a driver's license generally bounce more checks.
Most banks here will take State ID to cash someone else's check though.

And as a drive up teller, you would be shocked as to how many people come 
through the drive up who don't have a license, and therefore no insurance...

Dean Woodward
dean@agora.rain.com

-- 
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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Force 40 Brakes
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:59:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

gday@cs.ubc.ca (Gordon Day) writes:
>Is it possible to have the rims designed such that they channels in
>the sides to allow water to channel away under the brake pads on a
>caliper brake?  We get enough rain up here in British Columbia to
>make the question something more just academic interest :-).

Brake *pads* are already designed for drainage.

There are `scrapers' for MTBs that are supposed to remove excess mud
before it gets to the pads.  Anybody have experience with these?  Do
they work for water, too?

	;-D on  ( No brakes, no brakes! )  Pardo
From: smeadf@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Bill Smead)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour du Pont info
Summary: Some info
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:17:01 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College, Easton

In article <1992Mar27.190026.10202@cs.brown.edu>, jwd@cs.brown.edu (James Durkin) writes:
> I'd like to get some more precise scheduling information for the Tour du Pont
> than that published in the April issue of Bicycling.  Since my family lives
> near the NY/NJ/Penn border, I'd like to see the Pocono Mtn. stages.  Does
> anyone have an address or phone number for the race organizers?
> 
> :.: James W. Durkin (jwd@cs.brown.edu)

James:

May 9: Pocono Mountain Circuit Race - sorry no info on this.
May 10: Pocono Mountains - Hershey, PA
      Start 8:30 AM  Front Entrance - Mount Airy Lodge 
      Finish 2:00 PM (estimated) Chocolate Ave and Caylon Ave., Hershey, PA

Race route - 940 to 903 to Jim Thorpe 
             Sprint Zone at Broadway and Susquehanna
             Mountain Points - 902 over Summit Hill at Chunck Creek
             Feed Zone on 443 North of Orwigsburg
              Sprint Zone at 443 and Wayne, Orwigsburg
             Mountain Points - Blue Mountain (N of Harrisburg)
             443 to 743 to Hershey. 

More information not in April Bicycling -
     Stage 11, May 17 Washington, DC - Time Trial (16 Miles)

Start/Finish - RFK Stadium Parking Lot
               Out and back to National Zoological Park
               Using Independence Avenue, Rock and Potomac Parkway 
               Highlights - Capitol, Mall, Wash. Monument, Rock Creek Park,
                            National Zoo.
               
-Bill Smead
From: seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Race report:  Tour of Flanders (short pre-report spoiler)
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:29:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spool.1992Apr6.082937.23593
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.


			  The Tour of Flanders
			  Sunday, April 5 1992
			        Belgium


Here is a pre-report spoiler for those who would like to know the outcome 
of the Tour of Flanders.  The information in this short summary is from the 
live coverage I saw on channel 3 in France.  The last 35-40 kilometers of 
the race were covered live.


Jacques Durand (French!!!! Castorama) won after an incredibly long (200k+!) 
breakaway with two other riders.  During the last 10-15 k, he blasted off 
and left his two break-mates behind.  As he entered the final kilometer 
of the race, under the red flag, he had over 20 seconds on the remaining 
companion from the break, and still had over 1'30" on the closest small chase
group.  Durand coasted across the line, arms in the air and then wrapped 
around his head, without any immediate threats to his victory.  He became 
the first Frenchman in 36 years (Jean Forestier, 1956) to win the Tour of 
Flanders.

Brent
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From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Thule or Yakima Rack (the real question)
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr11.120225.10955
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>----------------------------------------------
> Ira Yermish  iyermish@sju.edu  (215)-660-1636
>----------------------------------------------
Hey, where's the "Ph.D."?
-Case
From: cookson@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Greg LeMond on Summer Olympics Team USA?
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:32:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.083216.13042
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
X-Post-Machine: victoria.scl.cwru.edu

Could those of you in rec.bicycles follwing this thread please
check the newsgroups line when you follow-up and omit rec.motorcycles
from it?  I'd rather wait till I'm here to read about Greg, and only
read about gas-powered two-wheelers in wrecked.moto. :-)

Thanks much,
Dean
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| Cleveland, Oh. 44106 / (216) 754-1834   / '81 CB750C / '88 Bianchi Limited |
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Taiwanese tyres
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplomg.9204162128.AA04824

Phillip Evans writes:

> In NEW CYCLIST 11-12/91 there's a report from a pair of cyclists who did
> a bit of riding (35200km) and kept records of all the flats they had.
> The hook bead rim comes in for some bad commentary.  The summary of the
> article says in effect if you are a loaded traveler, buy good tires,
> the cheap ones don't last; but they could not recommend any brands as
> availability seems to change often.

I don't think the number of flats is a good criterion for evaluating tires.
That is, unless these were caused by defects in the tires and then the
whole question is moot.  I find that reliability of the casing against
blowouts and tread wear are the principal considerations because if these
two are good than low rolling resistance is tossed in for free.  This is
under the assumption that this isn't some off road tire with large tread
profile.

I find that the Avocet ROAD is a durable and accommodating tire that lasts
me for up to 2500 miles in the Alps, climbing large daily totals regularly.
It has a sufficiently large cross section that it can absorb Botts Dots
without bottoming, yet it has low rolling resistance and good all weather
traction.  As I have posted in the past, with reasonable tubes I pump my
tires before getting on the airplane, ride all over the Alps and return
without ever adding air to the tires.  This does not always work because
I get flats sometimes but on several trips I did nothing to the tires.

This performance is enough to assure me to look no farther because I cannot
imagine what else another tire would offer since the top line tires all use
the same rubber, they wear the same, only the casing is different.  The
Avocet road is lighter than comparable size tires from two of the other
leading manufacturers.

Of course there is an added reason that I use these, and that is that, as
a consultant to Avocet they supply these tires as well as other brands
for me to test.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: croft@csusac.csus.edu (Steve Croft)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Crunch Commercial
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:37:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: csusac.1992Apr12.173759.13952
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Sacramento

The guy in the Nestle Crunch commercial looks like Kiefel...  is it?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Stem/Handlebar Failure
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:52:35 GMT

|> 	My old Peugeot, which has been holding up fine for the past 16
|> 	years, is starting to make an ominous "popping" or "clicking"
|> 	sound from the region of the handlebar or the stem when I put
|> 	stress on it in hill climbing, etc.  Is this just an adjustment
|> 	I need to make or is it a harbinger of failure of one of the
|> 	components?  What is the usual failure mode of these things? 

Is your headset loose or worn?

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: v561whw2@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Riding down stairs
Keywords: sorry, about the mispost
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Sorry about the last post in which I didn't write anything.

	What I meant to write was don't sweat riding down stairs on 
a mountain bike, I do it all of the time.

					Cars generally suck,

							 Kevin
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 17:28:38 EST
From: <MECE5475@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject:    seat post

I am looking for a seat post about the size of 34.4 mm in diameter.  I can't
seem to find any around.  Anyone know if there is such a size or larger ones?
I could aways machine it down if there are larger ones out there.

Kevin.
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:40:59 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

When is Bike To Work week?  It's some time in May, right?  I can't
cycle to work, at least not practically.  It's at least 29 miles each
way, over some very badly designed commercial suburban highways with
shoulders and no alternate routes.  So since I can't do this regularly,
I'd at least like to do it a few times.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: peterd@codex.UUCP (Peter Desnoyers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Sticky Demand Traffic Light problem solution
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:53:41 GMT
Organization: Codex Corp., Canton MA

jdm writes:

>jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera) writes:

>>Some cities are now installing loops in the bike lanes 
>>and setting them sensitive enough to pick up bikes.  I 
>>just designed some for Davis, CA, but haven't seen any 
>>in operation where i live.  I know that i can trip some 
>>of the more sensitive loops in my area with my bike 
>>(CrMo steel frame), but i don't know how effective an
>>aluminium frame would be.  

It's actually quite easy to make a pickup loop that detects bicycles 
as well as cars - if the coil is wound in a figure 8 pattern:

     +------+ +------+            +----------+
     |      | |      |            |          |
     |      | |      |            |          |
this:|       X       |   not this:|          |
     |      | |      |            |          |
     |      | |      |            |          |
     +------+ +------+            +----------+

instead of the normal loop, the field will drop off rapidly beyond
the edge of the loop, thus allowing the gain to be cranked up high
enough to detect bikes without triggering on cars in the next lane.

Of course, cutting that extra groove down the middle, plus another
five or ten feet of loop, would undoubtably bankrupt most public
works departments :-)

				Peter Desnoyers
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:31:29 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:

$ The "rec.bicycles" Usenet newsgroup was established in 1982 by Dave Menges
$ then at the University of Indiana.  By my calculations that makes this
$ newsgroup 10 years old!  Looks like we have that piddly little bulletin
$ board beat bad and we are still going strong!!!!

$ My thanks to all the posters and postees!

$ Bruce

$ ps - give yourselves a pat on the back since no one else is going to do
$ it for you!

It was called net.bicycle until about 1987.  We had a "great
renaming".  Before it, newsgroups were either net.something or
mod.something.  Mod meant it was moderated, net meant it was not.

I joined the net and net.bicycle in 1985, so I suppose I can consider
myself an old timer here.  Who else is here from that long ago or
longer?
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Terrible Two
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:23:57 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I just mailed off my registration for the Santa Rosa Cycling Club's Terrible
Two double century: 211 miles with 15,000' of climbing.

Has anyone on the net done this ride before?  What am I getting myself into?
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB Chain Lubes (was New Chain Help...)
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 03:57:45 GMT
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ

Michael Bertrand writes:
>[...] My rides are mostly on dusty roads and 
>trails. [...] What I would like to know is what is the best way to lube a  
>NEW CLEAN chain (HG-91), Pedros' (which I am using now), Finish Line, DuPont's

>Teflon stuff (if you can find it!), parafin, or anything else that you have 
>used. Also does anybody know how to get that Shimano "grease" (more like Krazy

>Glue for God's sake!) off of the chain. Plus any other helpfull info (besides 
>the fact that I should install a new rear cluster.)

I've used both Pedro's and Tri-Flow (by DuPont).  I prefer Pedros - it seems to
last a lot longer.  I've stuck to their suggestion of cleaning with water only
then re-lubing with my Sedis ATB from near new and have been satisfied with the
chain's performance.  It's just starting to stretch now, after 2000 muddy km
(about 1300 miles).

Tri-Flow has the advantage of being useful for other lubing applications,
especially derailleur cables.  It works fine in the conditions you describe.

I used kerosene to remove the lube on my new Sedis ATB chain before allowing to
dry and applying Pedro's (I decided to follow their instructions to the letter,
since I was testing the stuff).  I don't think I'll bother with my new chain --
water and mud will remove the lube soon enough.

Another lube I have used in the past was off-road Motorcycle chain lube.  It
worked very well in muddy conditions, but I found it attracted too much fine
grit in dry conditions.  The particular lube was Rock Oil.  It was also hard to
remove, to get rid of the grit.  I stopped using it mainly because of the time
spent cleaning and lubing the chain (the latter is a messy job). 

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12

From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:34:09 GMT
Subject: Re: If you could have only one bike...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


A question for you folks claiming that mnt frames are much stronger
than road frames:  have you ever broken a frame on a road bike?
I never have (outside of a crash which bent my frame).

Of course, I don't weigh much, and I don't have exceedingly light
frames, but even so, I think that breaking frames is not a
common thing.  Of all my road bike owning friends (and I have a 
lot of those), I do not know a single one who has ever broken
a road frame outside of a serious crash.

It would appear to me that road frames are strong enough.  I'm
not even all that sure that mountain bike frames really are
stronger.  My AL frame road bike frame feels stiffer than the
Cro-Moly frame in my mountain bike.

  - steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory)
Subject: Seeking liability insurance info
Summary: looking for insurance info
Keywords: bicycle liability insurance
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:00:47 GMT

I tried posting this earlier but don't think it got thru.  Hence, you
may have read this before.....:

I've been following the thread recently about liability insurance.  I
want to know, is it available for *commercial* cyclists (i.e. bike
couriers and others who make deliveries by bicycle)?  If so, how much
would it cost?

The other night I carried a Schwinn Collegiate on my bicycle trailer from
the bike shop back to the customer's home (the customer needed to have
the tire fixed and hired me to haul it in and back to her).  On the
way back into town, I loaded up 12 reems of paper from a print shop
and carried it down to the local food cooperative.  After unloading, I
returned to the bike shop and loaded up a new Trek 8700
composite-framed mountain bike on my bike trailer and carried it to
the new owner.

As you can see, I'm starting to carry some pretty high-value cargo
(that Trek, e.g., must have cost over $1000).  Hence, I'd like to get
some liability insurance, or at least get bonded.  Also, I've been
trying to get a delivery contract with the local food cooperative so I
can deliver groceries for them, but they are concerned about their own
liability if I should get in an accident.  Anyone know how bicycle
couriers in other cities are insured (if at all)?

(BTW, delivering bicycles with a bicycle is a GREAT way for bicycle
shops to show they are pro-bicycle)

- Jim Gregory (freshair@iastate.edu)
  Fresh Aire Delivery Services
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From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:09:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania

<1992Apr8.220822.8643@uunet.uu.net!trintex> writes this in article elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training)
>In NYC they'll steal your seat whether or not you have a quick release
>on it -- what we do here is loop some old bicycle chain between one of
>the seat rails and the frame.  Now you need a chain tool or bolt cutters
>if you want to take the seat off.  Cut a length of old inner tube and slide
>the chain through it before riveting the loop closed -- this keeps any
>gook on the old chain from getting on you and makes the installation nice
>and neat.  Be sure to leave some slack for seat height adjustments.

I hope this thread is already in the FAQ, if not please put it there...
Another twist on the piece on inner tube over the chain is to use handlbar
or rim tape to cover the chain.  Looks better than an old tube.

Jack Vinson			The Purple Puddle Eater
vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu
vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Broken cassette?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:02:51 GMT

In article <12424@umd5.umd.edu> jp721@snoopy.umd.edu (John Elvis
Puttybody) writes: 

>

and keyboard.

or is this yet another Elvis sighting.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Kestrel advice wanted
Keywords: Kestrel, advice, wanted
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:07:42 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <1992Apr16.125214.7704@watserv1.waterloo.edu> praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.171845.14387@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>This may or may not be useful but two things I'd like to mention are;
>>-For the amount of money you spend on a kestrel you could get a titanium
>>frame.
>>I went for titanum because I think it will last much longer, is as
>>comfortable and as stiff and has good handling (Merlin).
>>-Terry
>
>I would like to point out that a frame choice is purely personal.  A steel
>frame will weight 1 to 2 lb more and will be a lot more flexable than the
>Kestrel (or oversized AL).  If you are fast and do mainly TT's the aero
>effects and other precieved benefits are purely personal.  I would not

From what I have read, most carbon fiber bikes (the Kestrel included) flex
more than stiff (SLX, MAX, Prestige) steel frames.  Very oversized 
aluminun doesn't flex as much.

>touch a Ti frame because they are so soft.  I hate chain rub and BB flex
>and a Ti frame has plently of these (more flex than an SLX).  Of course my
>Klein is cheaper, more easily corroded, more easily repaired and almost as
>light and does not have the BB flex.

I have ridden a Merlin and I am a *big* guy.  It does flex more than
some bikes but I didn't induce chain rub except in widely crossed gears.

Ken Carpenter's sprint bike is titanium and I seriously doubt if it 
flexes very much.  I think that you are bringing up flex like people
used to refer to aluminun.  Some titanium bikes flex a ton others
don't.

I agree with some the rest of your article (which I deleted for some bone-
headed reason)--buy what you like and ride it, nobody elses opinion matters
if they aren't pedalling your bike.
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