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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: the linear time thing - (spoiler?)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: linear time and stuff
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:14:23 GMT

In article <16B4FDE92.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.181650.27424@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
>andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
> 
>>
>

>
>>
>>if the creatures experienced all time simultaneously, then they already had
>>squirted the commander out as far as they could tell. why did they give him
>>such hell about his kind and intentions when they already experienced the
>>whole thing. many other paradoxes boggle.
>>
>   They seemed to have at least one concept of time... Before Sisko met
>them and after.  (I don't really want to list all the logical inconsistencies
>I catched; I'm sure other people here will do it better than I can.)
>   The linear time idea as presented in DS9 was not very logical at all;
>it only works as an exposition of Sisko's character; OR the aliens turn
>out to be benevolent psychoanalysts... :)
>   Major flaw on DS9's part, but IMO not enough to destroy my interest.
> 
	Now wait a sec.  What we do know is that the aliens have no concept
of linear time.  Not that they exist in all times simultaneously.  Try this
(addmittedly ad hoc) explanation on for size:  The wormhole aliens do not
deal with time in a linear fashion, however from the indications we saw in the
episode, they do seem to be acted upon by linear time.  For example, the aliens
closed the wormhole _after_ the Cardassian ship went through.  If they truly 
were not acted upon by linear time, they could have closed it before.  As for
whether they knew Sisco's future (or their own for that matter) I think that
their nature gives them something like a catalog of experiences which they can
experience in any order, whenever or however often they chose, but since they
are acted upon by linear time, as time passes, their "catalog" grows, although
they do not have to read from the catalog in a linear fashion.  This way, they
do not know what happenens in the future.

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From: dsnoek@terapin.com (Daniel Snoek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who's Hottest on DS9???
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:28:38 PST
Organization: BBS

Dax and Kira definitely.  Dax looks a little better now than what she used to
be.
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
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Subject: rec.arts.startrek.ds9
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:10:23 GMT
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  04-Jan-1993 0928)
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Subject: Re: TNG music trax suck
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:28:42 GMT
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jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Trivelli) writes:

> who the hell writes the background music for TNG?  
> recently, i bought a tape with tracks from 2 episodes of TOS... 
> Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine. the music was outstanding.
> It was so much more interesting and powerful than anything i've
> ever heard on TNG... and so much more memorable too!  ...
> do they think they're being more sophisticated by using such passive music.

The two composers of TNG's incidental music, Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway,
are under strict orders from the executive producers to keep their music
bland and unobtrusive.  Ron Jones was fired from his composing job because
his music -- too bland for my taste -- was unacceptably jarring to his bosses'
ears.

I really enjoyed the TOS background music, particularly the stirring thematic
elements composed by Gerald Fried and Sol Kaplan.  Fried's themes are so
memorable that I actually whistle them to this day!  Unfortunately, the
Powers that Be have decreed that New Age muzak is to fill the soundtrack.
I agree that the soulless background music is the biggest negative in ST:TNG.
Here's hoping that DS9 will provide some rewards for the ears as well as the
eyes!

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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: 28 Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:48:42 GMT

S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
: ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
: >  I always  saw Cardassia equal to Israel and the Bjorans(sp?) equal to
: >the Palistinians.  My belief is based on the Cardassians suppression
: >of the Bjorans and the Bjorans fierce desire for home rule.
: >
: >Alex Cain
: >
: That's interesting; I always saw the Bajorans as Jews and the Cardassians
: as Syrians/Iraqis.After all, the Bajorans were forced from their home-
: world, wandered between star systems for several years, and have finally
: returned to their world (with Federation help) and are bordered by
: Cardassians, who almost certainly plan to take bake Bajor as soon as
: possible.  Oh, and the Bajorans seem to be a distant and not too trust-
: worthy friend to the Federation, while the Federation half-supports them
: without really going one way or the other (hence, the small force occupying
: station Deep Space Nine).When the Cardassians first appeared (_The Wounded_
: ) I associated them more with Germany, but now I see them as more Iraqi or
: Syrian, incuring the wrath of the larger Federation, which is unwilling
: to invest the time or casulties to destroy them.
: 
: I also associate the Ferengi with Sicilians (Mafia).  Agree/disagree?
: 
:                                             -=Road Warrior=-

In order for the Jews = Bajorans, the Bajorans would have to be at least the
equal in military prowess which is clearly not the case in any episode yet
shown. I think the writers really had the Palestinians in mind when they
developed the Bajorans. The way the Syrians/Iraqis treat the Palestinians 
is not unlike how Cardassians treat the Bajorans. Israel can't be the
Cardassians as they support the West (i.e. The Federation). 

Your idea that the Ferengi = Sicilian Mafia makes a lot of sense. My first
impression, though, was that the Ferengi were the writers' idea of
Capitalists in general and Reaganite Republicans in particular.

In light of what has happened the last few years any doubt that the
Paklids = Soviet Union?

paul m.
From: nlpearso@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Gorgeous Women and Lots of Sex!!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:22:28 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>In article <1993Jan10.223652.23330@nevada.edu> messiah@nevada.edu (mw) writes:
>}In article <C0nMrz.84G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> aisa@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Charlie Festel) writes:
>}>
>}>You have just become the subject of a small psychological
>}>experiment.  The sole purpose of this post is to see how many
>}>guys (and perhaps gender-confused gals) picked this post to read
>}>out of the hundreds available simply because of the title.
>}>
>}>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  
>}>
>}
>}Does your "psychological experiment" allow for the fact that there is a
>}distinct margin of error in the assumption that people do not realize
>}the title is meant as bait? I suspected it, and then confirmed it, and I'm
>}sure there were others. 
>}
>}I just love to throw people's ill-conceived experiments into chaos....
>}
>}HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
What about those of us who simply scan the articles in order and come across
this one when it's turn comes?  The subject line didn't attract me to this 
group.
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Relics Edited on repeat, local or national?!
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 21:51:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

An eagle-eyed (or eared) friend spotted something in the repeat showing
of the "Relics" episode on our local station in Phoenix this weekend.  
In the final scene, there is the following dialogue:

Riker: "She's not much to look at..."

Scottie: "Laddie, every woman has her own charm, you just have to know
where to look for it."

laForge: "She's a little slow..."

In the repeat showing on our local station, it cuts from Riker to LaForge,
deleting Scottie's line completely!

Can anyone check a tape of the repeat airing to see whether this line was
in the national feed.  Either our local station or Paramount has cut this
line.  If anyone can verify what was sent out nationally (or aired 
elsewhere), please post the info.
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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:52:12 GMT

patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice) writes:


>She is just too thin. There no room for this slug in her and 
>internal organs at the same time. And why do they keep changing
>sex when they change hosts?.  

>I still think she had some internal organs removed or something maybe
>part of the intestings or reproductive organs? Could she have kids
>with this slug in there?

If the humanoid half of the Trill have evolved to hold that slug in
their bodies then she probably has a convenient little cavity in her
abdomen.  Also, I noticed that the slug they showed in the DS9
premiere was much smaller than the one in "The Host" (as least from
memory).  Maybe TPTB thought of how it would fit in her body, too.

Besides, I like her abdomen just the way it is. ;)
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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:16:06 GMT

Could some reader who is present/former Navy person explain what the
modern convention is concerning forms of address for female officers?
This may cast some light on the usage in ST.  Wasn't Gene R. in the
Navy at one point?  I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
In article <1993Jan6.055506.267@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden) writes:
 
>
>dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas) writes:
>
>>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>>specific instances.
>
>Saavik is referred to many time in TWoK as 'sir'.
>I don't remember any specific TNG references, though.
>
>--
>]> I love my country                   + Robert Hayden                     <]
>]> But I fear my government.           +                                   <]
>]> Blind faith in your leaders, or in  +    rahayden@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu  <]
>]> anything, will get you killed.      +    aq650@slc4.INS.CWRU.Edu        <]
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From: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: David Warner
Reply-To: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:47:00 GMT

Warner has been around a loooong time.  His first movie was a 
classic from the 1960's, a British comedy called "Morgan" about
a lovably-eccentric gardener still in love with his wife.  I(
highly) recommend it, even tho it's not sci-fi.

Also, wasn't he the devil in "Time Bandits"?
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:05:05 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <cboerm48.726693174@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
<meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:
<
<>The "Official" abriviation (the one used by people actually involved with  
<>the shoe) is DS9. That's what I'll use for now. What actually ends up being  
<>used on the nets......well, only time will tell.
<
<Just out of curiousity, how do you know that DS9 is what the people 
<involved use?

Haven't you been reading all of the previous postings?  All was explain in the
recent past.
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From: alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:56:49 GMT

In article <58145@dime.cs.umass.edu> michael@mosaic.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras) writes:
>In article <725632671.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman) writes:
>>  MR> If Star Trek gets to the point where it is driven by the need to "set
>>  MR> examples", I probably *will* stop watching.  REAL LIFE leaders are the
>>  MR> ones we need to set examples.  This is fiction.
>>  MR> 
Fiction is art. Art is one of the testaments of our quest for
understanding. It reflects culture and serves to communicate and
inspire.



A
A
A
A

>>      Then what do you think about many of the themes pertinent to today's 
>>society that runs through TNG?  Such as:
>>
>>Angel One:  Women's rights
>>Half a Life:  Ageism
>>The Outcast:  Homophobia
>>
>>      Those are just a blatant couple off the top of my head--there are more,
>>no doubt.  Guess you won't be catching TNG any more....
>
>TNG is usually pretty preachy, shallow, and uncontroversial (boring, too),
>but if it was consistently as bad as "Angel One" and "The Outcast" I
>definitely wouldn't continue watching it.  ("Half a Life" was about average.)
>
>It's always seemed to me that TOS was an adventure show with sappy little
>morality plays thrown in incidentally.  It was a lot of fun.
>
>TNG, on the other hand, is one
>heavy-syrupy lecture after another, lacking in depth, adventure, or anything
>much of interest.  Sure there are occasional gems, and that's why I watch
>the show, but for the most part it's just bad science, bad acting, bland
>dialogue, pixie dust, posession, misunderstood all-powerful aliens, bratty
>kids, an obnoxious, unfunny mother character, and some TOS guest appearances
>for the true believers to "oooh" and "aaah" at.  Oops, forgot that it's a
>special effects extravaganza.  Whoopee.
>
>Geez, on top of all this, should I also flame the sacred cow, "Darmok?"
>Nah, that's enough for now.
>
>
>michael@cs.umass.edu


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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: History of the Enterprises(NCC-1701-NCC-1701D)
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 00:54:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.162628.2555@merrimack.edu> caina@merrimack.edu writes:
>
>    O.k. I'll admit it... I'm a tad lost right now.  Could someone please
>e-mail me a brief history of each of the Enterprises (all of the NCC-1701,
>A-D, plus the original NCC-1701.) and what episodes of ST:TNG or ST Movies
>they appeared in?

NCC-1701: The "original" Enterprise. It appears in the original 79 episodes,
          the animated series, and the first three movies, in refitted form.
          it was destroyed in ST III: TSFS.

NCC-1701-A: Introduced at the end of ST IV: TVH. It is also used in ST V: TFF
            and ST VI: TUC.

NCC-1701-B: There is no "on-screen" information on this ship. The TNG Tech
            Manual states that it was an Excelsior-class vessel.

NCC-1701-C: Appears in the NG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise". It was 
            commanded by Rachel Garrett, and the Tech Manual identifies
            the E-C as an Ambassador-class vessel. 

NCC-1701-D: The current ship in ST:TNG, to date.


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The worms within...
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <106091@bu.edu> mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
<U15289@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:
<: In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
<: humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same species
<: that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
<: volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
<: of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
<: new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?
<: 
<:                                               Mitch Pravatiner
<:                                               U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
<
<
<could this be a SPOILER

How could this be a spoiler.  It is well known information.
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From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (John O'Neil - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST-25th Anniversary game-CHEATS??
Date: 4 Jan 1993 06:18:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: heretix.east.sun.com


I just brought this game, do you kids, have a cheat list i could have, 
i still stuck on my 1st mission. HELP **WOULD** be most appreciated.

thank you for your support!!

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:13:15 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan8.133835.29130@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:

>	Wait a minute...it seemed to me that she was ready to surrender before
>the wormhole opened up....anyone else get this impression?

I didn't, but I'll go back and rewatch.  Maybe I just misinterpreted her
actions.

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From: mazzolav@wckn.dorm.clarkson.edu (Andrew V. Mazzola)
Subject: Convention in Albany
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:26:34 GMT

	During the premier of Deep Space 9, there was an add for a convention
on Jan 30 in the Omni Hotel in Albany starting at 11am.  Special guest is 
Nichell Nichols( Spelling ? ), and I think the cast of DS9.  Ticketsa available
from Ticket Master or at the Door.

Andrew Mazzola
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "My two cents" on DS9 women
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:28:25
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
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In-reply-to: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu's message of 7 Jan 93 15:25:57 EST

In article <1993Jan7.152557.7139@gw.wmich.edu> x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu writes:

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-> Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
-> Date: 7 Jan 93 15:25:57 EST
-> Organization: Western Michigan University
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-> Here's another installment of "My Two Cents," where today I'll talk about the
-> new women on DS9.
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-> Whoever cast Nana Visitor in the role of that Bajoran chick deserves a huge
-> round of applause. When she first turned around to talk to Sisko, me and all my
-> friends watching hung our mouths open and started drooling. Finally on Star
-> Trek there was a gorgeous woman with a SLKIGHT attitude! She's already my
-> favorite character, and another friend of mine who watched my tape of the show
-> said he's in love. And that chick who plays Dax (the chick with the slug in her
-> stomach) is about the cutest thing ever to appear in a Starfleet uniform! 
-> 
-> I imagine between the two of them, every guy in the station (especially Quark!)
-> will be drooling and chasing after those two! I can't wait for further DS9
-> episodes to learn more about their caharacters, especially the Bajoran.
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-> See you all next time on "My Two Cents."
-> 
->  --Karl Anderson, Western Michigan University
-> 
-> P.S.-Opposing viewpoints are welcome either by E-mail or postings.
-> 
-> P.P.S.-Phin, if you've gotten into this group yet, let me know right away!
-> 
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-> "If you don't get your hand off my hip, you're never going to be able to lift a
-> drink with that hand again!" - Bajoran chick to Quark
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-> "I love a woman in uniform!!" - Quark's reply
-> 

	Speaking of the women in DSN.  Have you noticed that the top
command of DSN is very politically correct?  Could the writers be
bending under political pressure?
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

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