From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Business (was Re: Immigrants and employment)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:18:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.084254.13497@cs.joensuu.fi>, hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen) writes:
|> 
|> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
|> >(Fast-Eddie Felson) writes:
|> >|> Our western society, however, works so that people
|> >|> are employed only if there's a need for such and even then employers
|> >How is this need defined then ?
|> 
|> If corporation X needs individual Y to work for them, it will hire Y
|> to work for them.


You just avoid the question - every fool could have given that
answer.-)


|> 
|> >After all, when the businesses don't want their workers, they don't
|> >just vanish - they have to keep on living. The society pays the
|> >unemployed. Isn't it a bit strange that the businesses can just "hand
|> >the workers over to the society" to feed them until the businesses
|> >need their working capacity again ? Sort of make others handle the
|> >businesses' problem.
|> 
|> Businesses' problem is not to feed their workers, their problem is
|> to make money to their owners.
|> 


Correct. But doesn't the society (where this discussion started) have
further needs/obligations than this ?


|> 
|> >Why should the society pay people to waste their production capacity ?
|> >Instead of paying them for unemployment, the society should "buy their
|> >production capacity", and sell their products.
|> 
|> What's the different between paying people for unemployment and paying
|> them for manufacturing products nobody wants to buy?
|> 


Do really nobody want the products ? Isn't what you write above just a
tricky way to say "products nobody can afford to buy" ?
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^

|> 
|> Russia gave everybody 'a job' for over 70 years-- and went bankrupt
|> because of it...
|> 


Ask old people if they consider Russia to be a better society to live
in now !
Ask the russian unemployed !
Not that I defend the kind of system of the Soviet Union - believe me,
I don't.

I could, of course, answer your remark about Russia by pointing to a
lot of anti-"communist" countries in Asia and South America (maybe even
to parts of God's own ...), but I think this kind of discussion will be
a little too stupid.


|> 
|> We could send all the unemployed as "refugees" to some country stupid
|> enough to let them in. Anyone? 400 000 Finns are waiting in line. (-:
|> 


Have you really got 400000 refugees and immigrants during the last 10
years or so ?

I mean, since the problem is the refugees and the immigrants taking the
jobs from the finns ....


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