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From: tsma@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: test
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:13:59 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

hi! just say hello for a first try.
From: wang1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: The One China, One Taiwan Policy
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:54:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Recently, the "one China, one Taiwan" policy was proposed by both members of
KMT and DPP in the Legislative Yuan. I am personally sympathetic toward their
motivation and proposals. In 1971, the Republic of China on Taiwan was expelled
from the United Nations which resulted in ceased diplomatic relations with most
countries in the world. Diplomatic isolation has become a life and death threat
to Taiwan. PRC intentionally isolate Taiwan from participating in international
activities, but on the other hand, PRC considers Taiwan a part of China as a
local government. PRC purposely tries to repress the Republic of China on
Taiwan. All of these happenings really upset the people in Taiwan. Therefore,
they have a strong desire to search for a breakthrough into international
society, such as reentering United Nations.

However, I don't think the "one China, One Taiwan" policy is plausible. It is
plausible because it would bring negative effects to the interests of the ROC
on Taiwan, before the policy could promote the interests of the Taiwanese
people. If this policy were supported by the global powers such as the USA,
Japan and Germany, I would support it. If this policy were accepted by the PRC.
I would support it. If this policy could reduce tension between the two sides
of the Taiwan Strait, I would support it. However, PRC has reiterated its
intention to unify China with force. I think this policy could bring immediate
threat to Taiwan priori to promoting the wellbeing and safety of twenty million
Taiwanese people.

President Lee recently stated "a good policy is a plausible policy." We have
already examined the difficulties of this policy. I fully understand the
motives of the congressmen and opposition party:They are trying to break
through diplomatic isolation. However, it is implausible. History told us that
China's past has been characterized by unification and separation. Taiwan has
been separated from China for only forty years. It is a short period in terms
of historic development. Recently the development of economic integration
between Taiwan and South China once again proved that Taiwan can not be
separated from China. However, people in Taiwan are not willing to live under
the communist rule. Under such circumstances, I think, the best strategy is to
develop Taiwan as an strong and democratic model for mainland China. Thus, the
people in Taiwan can maintain their standard of living, but in the long run,
use this successful model to influence the development of China.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:22:57 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct9.140939.22223@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
> 
> 	Hmmm... Why so often when I called home, my married sister and
> 	her husband would pick up the phone :-)

	** Because she got a good husband. Not everyone is as lucky
	   as she is.
> 
> 	Being a male, I feel guilty when I see the advantages I had
> 	over females in the course of growing up. I hope the least I
> 	can do is to ensure not to pass down this bad "idea" to my next
> 	generation.


	** Don't do that. Ultimately, male and female are born equal.
	   You may think you got many advantages over them. But they
	   may think the same way. Never tell your boy to give up his
	   inherited advantages. If he does, he will not be welcome in
	   the world of female.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Mainland stealing Benz from HK (was Re: TW News 7/10/92)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:07:15 GMT

elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:

>221 LUXURY CARS STOLEN IN HK LAST MONTH

>HONGKONG -- Thefts of luxury cars in Hongkong had risen to the highest
>level this year, with robbers developing a taste for top-of-the-range
>Mercedes, police said yesterday.

>In the second quarter of this year, 276 Mercedes were stolen, more than
>double the figure for the first quarter.  Last month alone, 221 luxury
>cars were stolen, nearly half of them Mercedes.

>One newspaper quoted insurance chiefs as saying most of the cars were
>now being driven by senior officials across the border in the Chinese
>province of Guangdong.  "The theft of luxury vehicles will only stop
>when corrupt officials in Guangdong stop" the Sunday Morning Post
>quoted.

This is nothing new.  My father's company lost THREE Mercedes Benz
in TWO weeks in July.  Apparently the corrupted GuangDong officials
are "helping" organized car stealing from HongKong - the place with
the highest number of Mercedes Benz per Capital in the world.

One HongKong (british) government official got his Benz stolen.  He
was really upset, and instead of reporting to the police, he complained
to Beijing.  One or two days later, his car was returned.

*sighs*  Sounds like the HK government "knows" about it, but is not
willing to take any action........

Anyway, my father's company has stopped using Mercedes Benz now.
Why don't they steal Japanese cars instead?  They are more efficient
anyway.  :-)

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
From: cheng@pollux.usc.edu (Chien-Ming Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Republic of Taiwan Resolution passed
Date: 8 Oct 1992 11:02:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct8.113326.3795@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1avf8jINN836@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>> I read a report on last week's Independent Weekly News.  It mentioned
>> that the city council of Tainan just passed a resolution which
>> urges the central government to join the United Nations using the 
>> name "Republic of Taiwan".
>
>	** You read the wrong newspaper. Just like what you think
>	   about KMT's paper is, The IWN reports are SERIOUSLY biased
>	   and should not be trusted.


Dear Mr. Law:

Could you enlighten us what are the "right" newspapers we should read?

Liberty Times also reported the same piece of news several days ago.
Should we also regard it as a "WRONG" newspaper ?
If this is the case, then whichever newspaper reports that piece of
news should be disregarded.

Smart as you are, please list for us some of the newspapers that you
think are creditable.
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:02:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.124948.3833@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.124329.28120@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>
>	** You need to teach your boy how to be a man who is 
>	...
>	   from that of .your wife

	You change the subject. You stated that not very one has a
	"good" husband which implies to me that many family raise
	their son to be "loyal" to their family and treat their
	wife's family as "outsiders". I ask you why keep this
	traditional discriminating family value.

>	** Sexism remark? No, that is what I mean by "eaual".
>	   Equal does not mean "the same". It means "match"

	Then why is this "inherited advantages" of a male coming from your
	mouth? Making a "generic difference" into "inherited advantage"
	using artifical means (by creating/keeping a "discrimiating"
	tradition) is sexism and unfair.

Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:03:02 GMT

In article <BvsIAs.78D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>
>Personally, I felt sad because I have not seen one in the political field 
>I would admire as much as I would admire Wang.  Just some thoughts:
>
>	(1)  Is his ideal on the so-called "2nd land reform" justified?  

	The idea is certainly justified in my opinion; though the measure
	and its implementation may be debatable. The land controlled by
	few people as "captial-collecting tools" not only is unfair in
	tax collection but also is unfair to hard working people since the
	money they earned are greatly de-valued (by rents, and consumer
	goods).

>	(2)  My impression is that most of the supporters for Wang are "small"
>ordinary people.  Surprisingly, many legislators (both KMT and DPP members) at
>various levels are Wang's most furious opponents.  These legislators claimed

	Here is the pitfall of our "democracy", there are only self- 
	interest groups to be elected and we elect self-interest
	groups. I seem the need of having people to directly vote
	on a bill (& propose a bill); though many things have to be
	in place to do this.

>	(3)  President Lee said in public that the proposal by Wang is not
>feasible.  Does he have a stand to say so (politically, scientifically and
>socially)?

	No comment. I never would vote for him even if I have a vote.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kuolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Yeong-Kuo Lin)
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: 10 Oct 1992 21:15 PDT  

In article <1992Oct9.214039.19882@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes...
>In article <1992Oct9.181313.14911@netcom.com> jch@netcom.com (Jack Hwang) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.140341.21433@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>>
>>>	(....delete) 
>	I have a hard time understanding why they are "victims"; they
>	make profits out of selling their land, aren't they?
In Chinese (or Taiwanness) tradition. land (property) is very important.
A person have no root, without the land  <---( very bad English translation)
If high tax is proceed on property, this tradition will be destroy.
So, the problem is complicated. I believe that, the high tax policy, will
be rejected, if the policy is decide by vote fron the public.
The reason are (1) most people still want to have a house or apartment,
(2)the high tax would put the price of properties to position higher than
now. The definition of victins could be defined as the ower, who have just
one house for family. Don't forget, according to the rule of property.
You need to pay 0.5% tax for your home every year.

>	Even when they sell their home to get a better home, they
>	are still profited from their original investment; though there
>	can be a measure to reduce certain amount of taxes because the
>	home is for personal use.
> 
>>The target of the land reform should be all captial groups.  They
>>manipulate the city development plans and get lots of profits from it.
I remember a story published in Taiwan newspaper. The father of a family
died. This fact put this family in very hard situation, because they need
to sell house by paying the tax to the goverment. I don't know, why
Mr. Wang don't foucus on some unfair tax policy. For personal impression,
he just want to get more, more tax. He don't try to improve some
unreasonable tax rule.

> 
>	When you define the law as such, those "capital groups" will
>	become individual "ordinary people" to escape from the loop.
>	
>>One of the problem in Wang's plan is that it does not give good protection
>>for middle class.  Saying that if your parents works hard for 30 years
>>and earn a house.  Then you got trouble.  If they transfer to you now,
>>...
>>you again cannot leave your children anything.
> 
>	You should take notice that I did not support Wang's plan but his
>	idea. How to implement that idea is still a question to me.
>	However, in the case you described, I do think the transfer of
>(...delete) 
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 19:19:29 -0400 
From: Adrian Yiu <ay24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PLANE TICKETS

Sorry for the confusion of the cheap plane tickets.  The flight to
Taiwan was only available from New York to Taipei. However, if you are
interested in buying discount tickets, you could give Larry a phone
call.  I'm sure he will settle a deal for you because that was how I
budget my travelling expenses...
1-800-541-8442

Adrian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:47:10 GMT

bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

>In article <shl1.718573806@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (James T. Kirk) writes:

>>What's wrong with having five daughters?  Please don't be so sexist.  Trying
>>to have more children would only increase the burden of the parents both
>>financially and emotionally.  If I were you, I would concentrate on raising
>>the five daughters you have instead of worrying about how to give birth to
>>a son.  
>>The supposedly "male superority" in Chinese tradition is outdated in today's 
>>society.

>I think you're right.  But here's something interesting:
>You work, you sweat, you argue (with your wife?), you worry sick of them,
>you go through all the hardships to raise your daughter, and finally
>having the joy of seeing them grow up... only to give them away to 
>someone else...


Come on!  Give up the outdated tradition!!  Marrying a daughter does NOT mean
losing a daughter-- not if you have a close relationship with her.  In today's
society when a son gets married, he doesn't ALWAYS live with his parents.  So
if you don't have a good relationship with your son, you will lose a son too
when he gets married.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:39:27 EDT
From: lcc5@cs.columbia.edu (Li-Chung Chang)
Subject: Land reform means LOWER PROPERTY TAX: [Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation]
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

Hi, everybody:

There's been an wrong impression that Wang will "increase" property tax, which
I think it's wrong - to tax land transaction will lead to lower tax in every 
other catagory ( i.e. personal income, bussines ), provided total tax revenue
goal remain unchange.

Also the Ministry can't make tax law - it can only enforce the law ( & propose
new ones ) It's unfair to blame Wang for "harrassing" business, if that's 
true, it's the law does.

I remember seeing some figures on Wall street Journal on " house price v.s.
annual family income; can't garantee its correctness. )

	U.S:	4.~
 	Japan:	9.~
	Taiwan:	??? ( not included in that Wall Street Journal article )

How much do you think that figure ??? is? If you & your wife both are masters -
you may have annual income around NT$ 1,000,000 plus? A house for 4-members 
family ( and decent enough for graduate degree holders to live ) is price 
around NT$ 10,000,000. You & your wife must work 10 years to get that ( without
bearing children, probably ) 30% of your adult life is spent just to get a 
place to live. The thoughts of this are really horrible......

Li-chung Chang
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:38:15 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>>Hi,
>>I'm just thirty-two years old and I had five daughters. I am
>>eager for method to give birth to a son! Do you know any method?
>
>>I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
>
>What's wrong with having five daughters?  Please don't be so sexist.  Trying
>to have more children would only increase the burden of the parents both
>financially and emotionally.  If I were you, I would concentrate on raising
>the five daughters you have instead of worrying about how to give birth to
>a son.  
>
>The supposedly "male superority" in Chinese tradition is outdated in today's 
>society.

I'm already 35 and have only one daughter but I'm about to quit to think
about another child. The population is exploding, every one has its 
responsibility not to make it worse. Why don't you just quit ? 

Yi-Chieh
id <m0me4uY-0000aAC@crash.cts.com>; Sun, 11 Oct 92 08: 08 PDT
	id <jb29328@pro-amber.cts.com>; Sun, 11 Oct 92 08: 08 PDT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: What's Taiwan's furture???
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 07:50:30 PDT

In <1992Oct9.003615.27097@schbbs.mot.com>
RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan) writes:

>What will be the best way for Taiwanese.  Independent?
>If you even went outside the Taiwan to life, you should realize how
>difficult it is to use Taiwanese passport. Hmm...
>
Difficult to travel using a Taiwanese passport?? Could you elaborate on that
a bit?? My inlaws travel extensively with no problems at all. (To United
States, Singapore, Japan, France & England in the last two years.)
 No problems at all.


ProLine:  rsopicki@pro-amber
Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-amber!rsopicki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son? -- No way!
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:10:16 GMT

pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:

>I have seen you honeies talking about this topic for a very lont time.  Why? I

So we have.  

>really don't understand.  If you don't wanna have so many girls, stop fucking
>your wife or wear condoms!  If you really wanna get a son, go to the hospital
>and have an exam!  You know, it's you men's problem, honey!

That's not the point.  The point is having a boy or a girl should not matter.

>So what else you men are talking about?  Equal?  Different?  Gee!  Women and
>men will never ever be equal!  The only thing we have to know is learning how
>to respect each other.  Look at this topic, you guys,  what do you think women
>are?  Machines for "entertaining" you men and making a baby?  What century are
>we now?

Right.  That's what I have been saying.  Men and women (or women and men, if 
you prefer.  I said men first just because it comes in first alphabetically)
should respect each other and treat each other equally.

Steven Lee

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: 10765859@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RAYSON WONG)
Subject: Jacky Cheung's New Mandarin Album
Keywords: Is the album released yet?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:43:09 GMT

Hi there everybody!
	I wonder if any of you users will be able to help me. I read in a
magazine article that Jacky Cheung has put together a Mandarin album. I was
just wondering if this was true and if any of you guys or gals knew when it
is due for release?
	Many thanks..
	
		Rayson Wong
		(ins903u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au)
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Thoughts after Minister Wang requested for resignation
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.212827.10056@walter.bellcore.com>, jchen@wind.UUCP (Jason Chen) writes...
>The movement to expell the Finance Minister is extremely unique.
> 
>I have never seen KMT and DDP legislators work in such an agreement
>on anything. There were no backroom negotiations, no name callings. 
>They are all united behind the removal of Wang.
> 
>I don't recall that anybody has ever angered so many people in
>both the local parliaments and central congress. The city councils of
>Taipei and Gao-hsung, and the parliament of Taiwan Province all passed
>resolutions to condemn Wang. The Legislative Yuan also echoed and
>was ready to make a similar proposition.
> 
>I can't remember any President has so shamelessly, and openly abandoned
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the principle of social justice in the excuse of technicality.

***I remember all former Presidents of ROC were perfect as I was taught since
kindergarten. Why President Lee is so different?

> 
>Finally, I have never seen such a massive betrayal of people by the
>representatives they elected in the Taiwanese politics. It is sad to
>see our democracy movement in the past decade, only evolved to a moneycarcy 
>system.
> 
> 
>C. Jason Chen 
>jchen@wind.bellcore.com

***I have never seen this either. All I remember was raising hands, applauds
and a speech that we will definitely recover mainland in the coming year as 
an end of every meeting before these people-betraying representatives and 
money-governed politics ever came up to the stage. Everything was in harmony.
If someone dare to break that harmony, he must be influenced by our enemy
and green island would take care of him so the rest of us would keep living 
in that harmony praising our great leader happily. Things have changed now.
But some people would rather live in the past .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Subject: HELP
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:02:52 GMT

Anybody know the exact volume & pages of the Nobel-
prize-level paper published in CELL on trans-acting 
factor (by a CSS)?
I do not know how to search the previous articles.
I will be very happy if anyone can tell me that, too.

Thank you for your attention!

Wendong Tang 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: How to give birth to a son?
Keywords: How to give birth to a son?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:52:16 GMT

In article <23591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

>Yeah...I guess you're probably right...
>I saw "Father of the Bride" and it made me don't want to have a daughter
>to avoid that heartache...  :-)

More often, it's the "Mother (and Father) of the Groom" who lose their son.
1/2 :-)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)