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From: IOC0025@MVS.UDEL.EDU (Jim Schelts)
Subject: Problem with Beak
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:42:00 GMT

 I AM NEW TO THE NETWORK, AND HAVE BEEN READING THE POSTS WITH GREAT
  INTEREST.  I HAVE THREE BIRDS TWO 'TIELS, AND A RED LORED PARROT.
  I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE PARROTS BEAK GETTING TOO LONG IMO.  SHE
  HAS NOT HAD THIS PROBLEM PRIOR (I'VE HAD HER FOR 4 YEARS). I WAS
 WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE HAS THIS PROBLEM, AND WHAT WAS DONE TO
  CORRECT IT.
  I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF MY 'TIELS.  IT SEEM TO BE PICKING
  OUT ALL ITS FEATHERS FROM ITS CHEST.  I'VE TAKEN IT TO THE VET, BUT
  THERE WAS NO MEDICAL PROBLEM.  WE PLACED A COLLAR AROUND IT FOR A
  FEW MONTHS TILL THE FEATHERS GREW BACK, BUT AFTER ABOUT A COUPLE OF
  MORE MONTHS IT PICKED THEM OUT AGAIN.  ANY CLUES??
  JIM SCHELTS
From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:37:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Here Pretty Bird!  Heeeeere, Pretty Bird!
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds

/ hpspdla:rec.pets.birds / Diana Bray <djb@tadtec.co.uk> /  9:35 am  Nov 17, 1992 /
Subject: Here Pretty Bird!  Heeeeere, Pretty Bird!
From: Wayne Morrison, tewok@cs.umd.edu
In article <62133@mimsy.umd.edu> Wayne Morrison, tewok@cs.umd.edu writes:
>In recent weeks, I have seen a few comments here that lead me to
>believe that Pretty Bird isn't looked on too highly.  (I don't remember
>comments or the names of people who made them, so you'll have to trust
>me.)  If this is so, could I please get some information about why it's
>not good (as well as where this info came from, if possible.)  If you
>have something else you swear by, I'd like to know what it is and where
>I can order it from.  When I bought my pair of African Greys, they came
>with a big bag of Pretty Bird.  The bag will soon be empty and I'd like
>to know if something else would be better for them.
>
>				Thanks!!!
>				Wayne Morrison

Oh NO!!!!!!  Oh dear!!!  Here we go again...........

Actually I have a question.  I'm afraid my birds have the "death diet"
plus fruit 
& veg & vitamin suppliments - its not easy to get pellets in England. 
The only 
pellets I can get (Lakes) taste foul (sorry, no pun intended).
Now I would have thought that bird pellets ought to be flavoured since my
birds 
at least have a finely honed sense of taste/smell - so much so that it
seems 
really mean to give them cardboard flavoured pellets to eat, even when 
supplimented by fruit & veg.  What do you people think?

Oh, by the way Wayne.  There was a bit of a fracus a year or so ago in
this group 
about the merits or otherwise of various pellets - mostly centering
around the 
nutritional content of "Pretty Bird".  Actually, I'd welcome the chance
to buy 
Pretty Bird here - sound like it tastes good & would make a nice addition
to my 
birdies death diet.

Do any of the other pelleted foods taste good?

Diana

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Do birds really have that highly developed a sense of taste?  I mean,
after all, they do seem to hull seeds and eat them whole.  I'd think
they'd be more discriminatory with texture than taste.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Left/Right handedness
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:43:22 GMT


It is normal for parrots, especially the ones that eat with their feet, to 
favor a certain foot.  I believe that most amazons are left-footed.  As for
my Timneh Grey, he's a righty.

Aaron Moy                                   Was that the phone...
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                   or the bird???
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-Fed Birds
Urbana, Illinois
(217) 328-1838
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Talking Birds - Teaching Your cockatiel to talk
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:55:18 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

hi *smile*  In my last post I mentioned that I had two talking birds
and that I had taught the handfed cockatiel I had to talk.  I also
mentioned that I got him when he was 7 weeks old.  Someone wrote me 
via private email and asked that I explain how I taught B.B. to talk
and do so with a posting.  I have mentioned this before, but i am happy
to send anythign that may help others....

The training started then.  The moment I got him...*smile* Now, when
I first got him, about a week afterwards, I noticed he was getting
sick and ot make a long story short, he had a couple of real bad
organisms in his intestines and had to stay at the vet's for 12 days.
So he was probably closer to 9 or 10 weeks before we actually got
into the persistent training...and that is all it takes as far 
as I am concerned.  Persistance.....with birds, dogs, any animal.

I started off with one simple word....HELLO.  And everytime I walked
by his cage I would say HELLO.  Not Hello B.B. (his name) or hey Pretty
Bird, but Hello.  Start off with one simple word.  It took about 2 weeks,
but it worked.  Now....let me remind you that cockatiels are NOT going
to sound like an amazon or a grey....cockatiel voices are not as distinctive
as the larger parrots.  It sounds kinda like a high pitched screech
at first.  Some people don;t understand them....but I do.  *smile*

B.B. even says complete sentences, something that some people say cockatiels
can never learn to do.  B.B. can prove them wrong....he even picked up
things later that i was NOT trying to teach him....like "Whatcha' doin'?"
I am a Southerner and have a Southern accent and he has it down pat.  
*smile*

After the first word the others came really easy.  He will wolf whistle if
I say Pretty Bird and if I wolf whistle he will say Pretty Bird...I taught
him that by doing them both togehter...they say things by association a LOT.
Like I taught rebel to make the kissing sound and then say I love You.

B.B. is 3 and a half now and talks up a storm *smile*  I am very very 
proud of him.....he is a precious little bird and seems to pick up
things on his on a lot now.....he still learns.

If anyone has any questions about something that i may have left out, feel
free to wrote me...I will be happy to try and help.....I kinda wrote 
this in a hurry as it is storming outside now and I need to log off of here
before I am struck by lightening! *laugh*

Take care....

SUzanne

From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:47:49 GMT
Subject: How to convert 'tiel to pellets?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


Well, it turns out to be not as easy as I thought to convert my 'tiel to
Roudybush 'tiel food.  So, very quickly, what is the "preferred" method
of converting a bird to pelleted food?

- Bill G

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: How to convert 'tiel to pellets?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:12:18 GMT

In article <wiegand.722550223@lido16> wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)  
writes:
> billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras) writes:
> 
> >Well, it turns out to be not as easy as I thought to convert my 'tiel to
> >Roudybush 'tiel food.  So, very quickly, what is the "preferred" method
> >of converting a bird to pelleted food?
> 
> Its never easy - seeds taste better. You have to restrict the amount of
> seed you give the birds to force them to eat the pellets. Don't
> cut them off of seeds all at once, but you have to start reducing
> the amount you give them.

Another good thing is to mix the pellets with applesauce or something
else that tastes really good, at first, to get them interested in
eating them.  I've done the mixing of seed with pellets stuff as well,
and this worked OK too.  Another thing that works is for the bird to
see another bird eating the pellets - jealousy!!!

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: Diana Bray <djb@tadtec.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Here Pretty Bird!  Heeeeere, Pretty Bird!
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:35:02 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1

Subject: Here Pretty Bird!  Heeeeere, Pretty Bird!
From: Wayne Morrison, tewok@cs.umd.edu
In article <62133@mimsy.umd.edu> Wayne Morrison, tewok@cs.umd.edu writes:
>In recent weeks, I have seen a few comments here that lead me to
>believe that Pretty Bird isn't looked on too highly.  (I don't remember
>comments or the names of people who made them, so you'll have to trust
>me.)  If this is so, could I please get some information about why it's
>not good (as well as where this info came from, if possible.)  If you
>have something else you swear by, I'd like to know what it is and where
>I can order it from.  When I bought my pair of African Greys, they came
>with a big bag of Pretty Bird.  The bag will soon be empty and I'd like
>to know if something else would be better for them.
>
>				Thanks!!!
>				Wayne Morrison

Oh NO!!!!!!  Oh dear!!!  Here we go again...........

Actually I have a question.  I'm afraid my birds have the "death diet"
plus fruit 
& veg & vitamin suppliments - its not easy to get pellets in England. 
The only 
pellets I can get (Lakes) taste foul (sorry, no pun intended).
Now I would have thought that bird pellets ought to be flavoured since my
birds 
at least have a finely honed sense of taste/smell - so much so that it
seems 
really mean to give them cardboard flavoured pellets to eat, even when 
supplimented by fruit & veg.  What do you people think?

Oh, by the way Wayne.  There was a bit of a fracus a year or so ago in
this group 
about the merits or otherwise of various pellets - mostly centering
around the 
nutritional content of "Pretty Bird".  Actually, I'd welcome the chance
to buy 
Pretty Bird here - sound like it tastes good & would make a nice addition
to my 
birdies death diet.

Do any of the other pelleted foods taste good?

Diana
From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: RE:Pretty Bird
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxwJ93.MLD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


I successfully use Pretty Bird pellets for my birds.  My Timneh Grey loves to
pick out the red and orange biscuits for dinner, and he'll choose the green
ones if he's really hungry.  My baby cockatiels seem to ween easier with
this brand versus the normal brown variety like Exact, Dr. D's, or Lafeber's.
The only negative opinions I have heard about Pretty Bird is that the coloring
causes increased volume of urine.  My vet said, though, that he has yet to
see any reports of organ damage attributable to coloring.  He compared the
urine side effect to caffeine in humans; both cause increased urination but
don't really do any harm.

Kaytee's Exact brand does have a rumor of suspicion.  Some say that it is too
high in some certain vitamins, and this causes some type of kidney or liver
damage.  I can't personally confirm this, though.  

My personal recommendation would be to feed a variety of pellets, if possible.
I believe that the oversights of different companies can be averaged out with
this method.  However, I again state that I have no problems with Pretty
Bird pellets (a part of this complete nutritious breakfast...).

Well, actually, you should inform any roomates that the cockatiel size Pretty
Bird pellets are not Fruity Pebbles, as the resemblence is great.


Aaron Moy
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-fed Birds
Urbana, Illinois
(217) 328-1838
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Problem with Beak
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:31:14 GMT

In article <19921123154222IOC0025@MVS.UDEL.EDU> IOC0025@MVS.UDEL.EDU (Jim  
Schelts) writes:
>  I AM NEW TO THE NETWORK, AND HAVE BEEN READING THE POSTS WITH GREAT
>   INTEREST.  I HAVE THREE BIRDS TWO 'TIELS, AND A RED LORED PARROT.
>   I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE PARROTS BEAK GETTING TOO LONG IMO.  SHE
>   HAS NOT HAD THIS PROBLEM PRIOR (I'VE HAD HER FOR 4 YEARS). I WAS
>   WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE HAS THIS PROBLEM, AND WHAT WAS DONE TO
>   CORRECT IT.

I've had this problem with Mr. Quaker, and having lava rock and rough
wood toys has helped him keep his beak down to a reasonable length. 
Filing it is OK, but I'd avoid clipping if possible.

>   I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF MY 'TIELS.  IT SEEM TO BE PICKING
>   OUT ALL ITS FEATHERS FROM ITS CHEST.  I'VE TAKEN IT TO THE VET, BUT
>   THERE WAS NO MEDICAL PROBLEM.  WE PLACED A COLLAR AROUND IT FOR A
>   FEW MONTHS TILL THE FEATHERS GREW BACK, BUT AFTER ABOUT A COUPLE OF
>   MORE MONTHS IT PICKED THEM OUT AGAIN.  ANY CLUES??

Hmm.  It's not the other tiel picking.  Are they same or different 
sexes - maybe he is frustrated or needs more attention.  Or just a
bird that is high-strung and picks all the time.

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Talking birds
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:17:37 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I disagree with the statement that handraised birds you have a better
chance of having a talker.  It is simply not true.  *smile*  I 
suppose it may depend on the bird, but birds that are known talkers,
birds that are male....will probably talk regardless if they were
hand raised or not.  My Congo African Grey was captured in Africa
when he was around a year old, I was told by the person I bought him 
from.  He has never really been handled much and he is over 8 years old.
He mimics EVERYTHING!  *smile*  He whistles songs, he mimics me when 
I lose my voice (VERY aggravating *laugh*), he does commericials, rings
the telephone, makes my computer noises....you name it, if he hears it
he will mimic it.  *smile*  I have not had to work with him much at all.
He talked before I got him, and I bought him when he was 7 years old.

I do agree that handraised babies do make the best pets.  There is no
doubt about it.  My other bird is a cockatiel I have had since he was
7 weeks.  He was weaned when I got him, but he bonded to me immediately.
And he talks up a storm too.  *smile*  But I taught him to talk.

This was not meant as a flame.....just wanted to say that I have had
exp. with a wild bird...*smile*

Suzanne
From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Yellow-naped macaws...?
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Does anyone have any comments on yellow-naped macaws as apartment pets? 
How much of a noise problem am I in for? 

Also, any comments on diet? So far, "Chewy" doesn't seem interested in 
either apples or french fries, but he's still quite young. Can I assume
he will expand?
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Home made bird Cages
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:15:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Does anybody have any really really good ideas about making a home made
bird cage.  

Talk to me

Tx

Dave

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: link between birds and lung cancer?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:36:02 GMT


Just some speculation here, but Black Lung, caused mainly 
by coal dust inhalation, does not kill through any particular
"chemical" reaction with coal dust.  Any dust with the same 
sort of physical configuration as coal dust (sharp points and
edges when viewed under a microscope) would be likely to cause
the same sort of problems. 

Birdo dust (what, a cockatoo produce dust?  what? let me clear
more of the screen off and see if I am reading this right...) 
might very well be that kind of irritation agent.  

In any case, this argues for dust control, a good idea in any
case.  Smoke-eaters or Sun color monitors all work very well 
for such dust collection ;-(

Just speculation here.
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From: cdt@zoo.bt.co.uk (Clive Dennet-Thorpe)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdie Bouncing!
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: cdt@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories


Hi!!

I  have 4 budgies, 2 of each and they all live in a large flight.
I have become concerned lately because the 2 males have formed
a couple. Steven and Leo spend a great deal of time feeding each other
and flirting!

What really concerns me though is that the two females seem to be
changing sex. Their ceres have turned from brown to pale blue.

Is colour change normal in females????????

What does it mean??????????????

Is it related to Steve & Leo getting it on????

Neither female seems interested in any of the other three.

Help!!!!


Regards,

The keepers of the Gang of Four.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: feathers@eskimo.com (Cheryl Owen)
Subject: Re: Need Reference on Pet Bird Behavior
Summary: Green cheeked conures
Keywords: book, pet bird behavior, wanted
Organization: <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:04:26 GMT

   I used to breed green cheeked conures, and kept several of them
as pets.  They're wonderful birds; congratulations on your choice!
All my green cheeks LOVED to bathe and would do it every day if they
had the opportunity.  That bobbing thing is normal green cheek
behaviour; it means that the bird is interested in something, feeling 
some emotion about something (generally, anyway).  Green cheeks are very
strong-willed little birds; they may be small and quiet for a conure,
but they have the hearts of lions.  They've been known to challenge big
birds like macaws if they're jealous or otherwise outraged (more guts
than brains sometimes!).  They have extremely devoted natures and when
they're attached to their owners, they're really attached.
   Can I ask a question about the bathing?  I was wondering about this
because of stuff my green cheeks used to do.  Does yours ever
intentionally splash you or other people?  Mine used to do that; they'd
sometimes bathe for the express purpose of getting someone else wet.  I
had one hanging in a cage from the ceiling; when my friend Greg would
visit, Jonnie would *always* splash Greg right when he walked under the
cage.  I thought Greg was making it up, but I observed and sure enough,
that little green stinker was indeed purposely getting him.  I then saw
the others doing this as well.
   Another thing - green cheeks are *very* smart.  One local woman here
puts on shows with her trained green cheek.  The bird goes through this
amazing series of tricks and never gets one wrong.  Another thing green
cheeks seem to be fond of is sleeping on their backs upon occasion (this
is assuming it was a handfed baby).  It can scare the heck out of you
till you get used to it, seeing your bird laying there with its feed up
in the air!
   Your best bet for green cheek information is magazine articles rather
than books.  Are you familiar with some of the various avian
publications?  The ones that come to mind off the top of my head besides
Bird Talk are Parrot Word, Bird World, American Cage Bird, Watchbird
(the publication of the American Federation of Aviculture) - oops, that
should have been Parrot World, not Word.  Obviously time to end this
post. :)
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Talking Birds!
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:30:12 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Robert.....if you will reread my post you will see that I said...
"I suppose it may depend on the bird, but birds that are known talkers,
birds that are male.....will probably talk regardless if they were hand
raised or not..."

I did say that it may depend on the type of bird and while I have
experience wiht a wild bird who talks, and have talked with two 
Exotic Animal Doctors who specialized in parrots as pets, that information
alone does not prove that all wild birds will talk.  But that is not
waht I said....*smile*  I said that it is not true that a bird
should be hand raised to talk.....I knwo of cockatiels, amazons, and
greys who talked and were not hand raised, some not even tame.

That is all I was saying.  *smile*

Suzanne
From: ares@fnalf.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Home made bird Cages
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:10:11 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1ere5fINNe6d@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
> Does anybody have any really really good ideas about making a home made
> bird cage.  
> 
> Talk to me
> 
> Tx
> 
> Dave
> 

Build it in sections that can be replicated, so you can expand it in
the future.  (Making all windows removable will also help expansion.)
Design the bottom to be waterproof, so birds can spill the bathwater
without making a real mess.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Rowdybush 'tiel Food - Any Good?
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:21:05 GMT

billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras) writes:


>Does anyone out there have an opinion, or has anyone read or heard if
>"Rowdybush" 'tiel food is any good.  I had never seen the brand before
>but my girlfriend gave me a sample to try on my 'tiel and he went for it
>immediately.  I'd like to "convert" (seems like it will be no problem)
>him to this food if it's good for him.         

I haven't tried it with my birds, but I've heard that its good stuff.
If your bird likes it then go ahead and use it.

-- 
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Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kenny@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: runny-eyed bun
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: world,na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:18:46 GMT

In article <1erqt9INN3i2@overload.lbl.gov>, horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman) writes:
> Hamlet is a one year old male lop. He seems to have this
> problem with drainage in his eyes. It is clear, but clumps
> up the hair around his eyes so that it irritates him. The
> vet told me that lops tend to have allergies that can
> affect them in this way - that don't need to be treated.
> He seems to be fine otherwise, except that his nose makes
> a small whistling noise when he breathes that augments to
> a snore when he is asleep. Is this normal? Should I be
> more concerned than the vet seems to indicate? He has a
> little bit of a wet nose sometimes, but it isn't like
> what comes from his eyes.
> Jennifer, Hamlet and Guinea
> horsman@geo.lbl.gov
> 

I'd find a new vet.  Neither one of my lops has ever had this problem.

Debbie
From: moose@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Kristine Anne De Leon Jugo)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: airline charges
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:38:44 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
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