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Date:  Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:25:39 EST
From:  "Dennis G. Rears " <drears@pica.army.mil>
Newsgroups:  rec.running,comps.society.privacy
Subject:  Los Angeles Marathon and SSN
Organization: Computer Privacy Digest
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X-Computer-Privacy-Digest: Volume 1, Issue 113, Message 1 of 9

  After running my 5th New York City marathon, I decided it was time to
run a different one.  I decided on the Los Angeles marathon on March 7th.
I started filling out the application and was shocked to see that they
wanted social security numbers.  Furthermore it states that all
information must be provided or the apllication would not be accepted.
  Why in the world do they want or need SSN?  I can understand birthdate,
occupation, and TAC number but SSN?  While they do offer prize money;
there is no way I can qualify as 3:30 marathoner.
  BTW, I did call the LA marathon office and the guy who answered the
phone had no idea why they wanted it.  He did say they would still
process my application without it.

dennis

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: peters@mcnc.org (Charles Ross Peters)
Subject: best tights
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:21:04 GMT

I agree that the best winter running pants (not exactly tights- but
similiar) are the Sport Hill pants.  My local Atheletic Attic (owned
by a runner) ordered a pair for me after I had mentioned that I could
order them myself from Eastbay (mailorder place in Wisconsin).  They 
are not cheap, but they are very high quality and worth the money for
the comfort alone.  I didn't find any local stores that carried them
in stock.

Charles Peters
peters@mcnc.org
From: stx2044@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Jogging partner needed:
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:27:22 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I'm a guy in my early twenties. I'm looking for a jogging partner in the
Toledo, Ohio area. If interested please send me email.
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon
From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
Subject: Re: Did anybody do the Harbor Bay Biathlon 12/12
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: ba
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:42:36 GMT

In article <1gis58INNm0f@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
>I was training for this race but there was a schedule change at work
>so I couldn't make.  I just wanted to know if anybody entered the
>event, what was it like etc. etc...
>The race was held in Alameda. 2.5 mi run  11 mi bike  2.5 run
>
>Talk to me
>Dave
>

It was cancelled about 3-4 days before the scheduled starting date.

john//
jrb@ingres.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ken@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Kenneth R. Pollard)
Subject: Shock Absorption Technology
Followup-To: Shock Absorption Technology		
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:21:11 GMT

I'm by no means an expert in the engineering design of the various types of
shock absorption shoes out there, but speaking strictly from experience, I
have found the traditional foam/polyurethane system works best for me. I
have tried ASICS (GEL) and NIKE (AIR) and was not impressed by the shock
absorption or cushioning offered. I then decided to go "low tech" with a
pair of SAUCONY 5000s(foam/poly material), and loved them.  After these
"blew up" I bought a pair of SAUCONY 6000s, basically the same shock system,
but a bit on the stiffer/harsh side, not bad though.  Oh, I suffered more
running injuries with the "high techs" as well, they cost twice as much and
they didn't hold up well.

I'm curious about SAUCONY (GRID) system, any comments from SHADOW people
who have tried them??
From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: why'd I die @ 14 mi?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:05:44 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Dec15.123310.16813@hou.amoco.com> ztac18@hou.amoco.com writes:
>Help me figure this one out, you smart people:
>
>I've been running the local warm up races for a late January marathon.  Three warm
>up races, a 20K, 25K, and 30K.  I ran the 20K in what was, for me, a pretty
>good pace.  Felt good.  The 25K went even better.  One of the best races I'd
>ever run.  Went out pretty fast and maintained til the end.  But the 30K...
>I went out conservatively, but absolutely died at about mile 14!  I got
>stomach cramps, wanted to throw up, and my legs just siezed up.  My suspicion/
>hope:  I just had a bad day.  If you have a different idea, offer your
>own opinions on why I choked, and, more importantly, on how I make sure I don't
>do this again when the marathon rolls around.
>
>Salient info:  Yes, I'd run 18+ miles befor the 30K.  No, I didn't change my
>eating habits or just return from Mexico the day before.  30K ourse surface:
>100% concrete, flat as a pancake.  Weather was fine.
>
Just a guess-

You don't mention how much time elapsed between your warmup races.  If you're
doing these distances at race pace, are you giving yourself at _least_ 2-3
weeks of rest between races?  You may just be physically tired.  Most of the
popular training programs advocate long _slooow_ runs every other week to
build up for a marathon.  If you're _racing_ these long runs, or racing in
addition to the long runs in your training program, chances are that you're
over-training and your body is just delivering the message.

Regards-

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gcm@world.std.com (Gretchen C Macdowall)
Subject: Re: Need info about winter tights
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:57:11 GMT

>A little expensive there.

>Here is my solution that I run with when it is down to about 15 deg F:
>  - cheap tights
>  - cut off track pants (to just above the knee)
>  - cheap wind pants
   
I'm with you. My female version of this is cheap tights and two pair of cotton
tights ($5) under, or cotton tights and long underwear. I run in
Massachusetts and this combo works down to 0 degrees. It even worked in
the "blizzard" we had today. The
second pair of tights is only necessary in the twenties and below.
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Saucony anyone ???
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:01:39 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

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From: gdi@ems.cdc.com (Irisarri G)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Flat Feet Advice
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: girisarr@ems.cdc.com
Organization: EMPROS Systems Int. (Control Data Corp.)

Hi there:

I need some advice for my son. He is 15 years old. Although he is not
into running, he plays soccer, and clearly needs to run a lot and fast.
His problem: flat feet. This condition: 1) slows him down, 2) on hard
surfaces (such as in indoor soccer) produces ankle pain. 
I would appreciate some advise on how to deal with this condition:
Better shoes (both soccer and running)? Special fittings? Development
of new "style, or gait".

Thank you. e-mail responses appreciated.

Bill Irisarri
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lotus )
Subject: Re: half-mile
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:14:15 GMT

lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>On a performance scale, a sub-24 200 is nowhere near a 1:50 800, nor is it
>really close to a sub-50 400.
True

>24-flat is a purely mediocre (decent high-school
>JV time)
True

>for a 200, but sub-50 in a 400 will (probably) get you to district
>finals,
Actually, it will qualify you for the state meet in Illinois.

>and a 1:50 800 will (surely) get you to state finals...
I've seen worse times *win* the state meet in Illinois.

>Maybe it's
>just a random correlation, but when I ran with the guys at Oregon, the guys
>who could run sub-1:50 had no problem running 22.5 200's and 53-second 400's
>as their repeat times in workouts.  
Wait.  As captain of my high school track team, my best 200 was a 22.5, while 
my best 400 was a 50 flat.  

>Bill
______________
Matt Ivaliotes				a.k.a. Lotus
ivaliote@ux1				lotus@uiuc 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat)
Subject: Re: why'd I die @ 14 mi?
Reply-To: scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:50:51 GMT

Did you mention how long it was since your last race?

For 90% and higher efforts, I think a good rule is 1day recovery for each mile
of racing before you can be back at optimal racing readiness.  Look back at your
training for the three previous wekks and look for indications of overtraining
or overracing that might hinder racing level.

Another comment from experience: the body goes through many peaks & valleys when
training. If you are forging into unchartered territory trainingwise, I notice
signifigant drop-off in workout level & racing levels as the body adapts to the
new level. This sounds bad but often indicates good news: You often might be
"breaking through" to a new level of fitness.
However, if you increase your training level, and don't subsequently adapt your
dietary, sleeping, etc habits to your body's new requirements, you may be
sapping yourself. Be cautious of iron intake, electrolytes, fluid,
carbohydrates,etc.
  

These are opinions not supported with science but personal experience. Hope they
help.


Steven M.
Iowa State U.
From: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca (Brian McCashin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: races around Seattle/Vancouver region late July 1993
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:42:49 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Dec11.112647@axion.bt.co.uk> jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope) writes:

>s
>Lines: 17


>Hi,

>It looks like I will be on the other side of the pond in
>late July for a friend's wedding in Port Townsend on July 24.
>I also have some friends who are moving out to BC.

>Just to keep me on the slightly curved and not too broad, does
>anyone out there know of any races 800m up to 10km in those
>areas around that time.

There's nude run in Seattle (no kidding) about the week before your
wedding. (5k hilly). The Seafest run 7K in Vancouver theat should be 
the 3rd week of July. Also the Chuckanut Drive run (I think) is in the middle
of July (80 Miles north of Seattle).

E-Mail me into 1993 and I'll send you a list from our Athletics Assn 
Calender.
 
-- 
 Brian McCashin                            Internet: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca
 Senior Programmer/Analyst                 Phone: 604-822-5502
 Centre For Health Services and Policy Research
 University of British Columbia, Vancouver CANADA
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 1 Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Dec 1992 08:36:21 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <kevin_mcentee-101292091438@kip-41.taligent.com>,
kevin_mcentee@taligent.com (Kevin McEntee) writes:
>|>
>|> While we're at it, let's ban postings that suggest banning types of
>|> postings.

>Great; I propose a ban on banning banning banners.

Oh, you guys are just an off-center minority

Guess that makes you *Sparce angled banners*!

Mark (I can't believe I just typed that) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Pain in hamsting
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:05:01 GMT

| Richard Darrell Hayes <rh2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|        I have pain in my hamstring, from this area, about midpoint and
| towards the inside, everything below it to the knee is tight and hurts
| when I'm running.  The pain I have is a buring sensation and muscles
| (hamstring and calf) that get tight and spasm.  I also have the pain in
| my hamsting when i sit for extended periods of time.  I've tried heating
| pads, ultrasound, diathermy, and even rest, but nothing seems to help. 
| Any ideas?  I would like to get running again as soon as possible as not
| to miss much of the indoor season.

  It sounds like a strained hamstring.  I had the same thing in my upper
  hamstring last year.  There was also a professional basketball player
  named Hakeem Olajuwan who had one earlier this year.  A lot of people
  didn't believe him because it didn't look like he was in pain and he 
  could run okay, but I was just getting over my hamstring, so I recognized
  that he really did have the injury.

  Strained hamstrings tend to heal fairly quickly to the point where you
  can run lightly, but your hamstring remains very weak (you can't
  sprint very well) for a long time and they do tend to tighten up
  when you sit for a while (like when you step out of the car after 
  driving.)  I wasn't able to get full strength back for about six
  months, although I was able to run on it practically the whole time.

  What's the best way to treat it?  I don't know, I'm not a doctor.
  But I think stretching and rest would probably help.  
  ==

  Bob
From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:40:16 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <BzBEsJ.1G2q@austin.ibm.com> spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
>
>Do most of y'all eat during your long runs?  If so, what?  I'd think that you'd want
>to eat something with the highest amount of calories possible, no?  Well, not highest,
>maybe...  I can't imagine eating anything with too much fat.  How about those PowerBars
>and things?  Do they seem to process (digest) pretty quickly?  Any comments appreciated!

Personal experience; your mileage may vary, but:

I'm a bagel freak.  Before during and after long runs.  No fat, _huge_ carbo
load, easy to carry (in hand or pocket), environmentally ok to throw away
anywhere, and they gently force you to keep hydrating ;-)  They've never caused
me problems.  I chowed about 2 over the NYC marathon course last month w/no
ill effects.

PowerBars, imho, are a bit overrated.  You probably get as much of a boost from
thinking "I just ate a _POWERBAR_!!!" as you do from the contents of the thing.
They've never upset my stomach during a long run, but my major complaint is
that once I eat one, it takes about 2 hours just to get the taste out of my
mouth. Yechh.

Happy Trails-
-- 
Paul B. Booth  (paul@eye.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell)
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Reply-To: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:48:05 EST

In article <102121@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
>I have a similar question to the one asked by the 200m track
>person.  I was wondering which lane I have to be in so that
>an integral number of laps equals one mile.  I know that
>a mile is about 1609m so that four laps is damn close to 
>a mile but when I'm timing myself I don't want an approximation
>to the pace.  I realize I can figure out my pace later, but
>I like to know while I'm running.
>
>Thanks.

For a 400 M track with the standard 42 inch ( 1.07 M ) lane widths
and 8 or fewer lanes there is no integer number of laps which equal
1 mile (assuming you are running _exactly_ on the measured line.)

Suppose you had asked, " in what lane is there an integer number of
laps equal to an integer number of miles ?" Take 1 Mile = 1609.344 M
(this is exact.) Assuming the 400 M length of the track is exact
(which it isn't, of course), and that the width of a lane is exactly
1.07 M (the minimum allowed by the NCAA, and quite standard ), the
following must hold:

(400 + 6.723008279(l-1))n = 1609.344k, with l,n, k integers and l =1,
2,...,8. 

The 6.723... figure is the number of meters added by each additional
lane to the length of one lap. Since the exact value of this quantity
is a rational multiple of Pi, which is irrational, there is no
solution to the above equation in positive integers l,n, and k. 

Suppose we agree that 6.723 is a reasonable approximation. Then the
equation can be satisfied exactly by running 2,500,000 laps in lane
9 for a total of 704,921 miles. 

But, seriously,...

The only combination of lanes (up to 8) and laps (up to 25) which
beats running 4 laps in lane 1  are:

	23 laps in lane 4 ( = 6.00486 miles)
	18 laps in lane 8 ( = 5.00023 miles )

By contrast, 4 laps in lane 1 is 1.00584  miles.
-- 
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From: fzsaler@othello.ucdavis.edu (Michael T. Saler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Soloflex vs. Nordictrack vs. ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:58:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: fzsaler@othello.ucdavis.edu


 would like to supplement my running regimen
with a weightlifting program, but do not have
easy access to a gym. I'm thinking of getting a home 
gym, and was wondering if anyone has had experience
with the Soloflex machine, Nordictrack gyms, or other
home systems.

Thanks,
Mike
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 220 speed for half-mile
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:21:32 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <1992Dec14.190737.5246@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>, brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams) writes:
>>just a random correlation, but when I ran with the guys at Oregon, the guys
>>who could run sub-1:50 had no problem running 22.5 200's and 53-second 400's
>>as their repeat times in workouts.  
> 
>>Wait.  As captain of my high school track team, my best 200 was a 22.5, while 
>>my best 400 was a 50 flat.  
> 
> Sorry, I forget to (>) previous line before:
> 
> --- Are we comparing repeat 22.5's in workouts (usually done with a
>     RUNNING start) to a 22.5 run out of blocks in competition ? 
>     Is this an apples-apples or apples-oranges comparison ? 
>     Someone capable of several 22.5 repeats, in the right situation and
>     in the right conditions could probably go sub 22 seconds out
>     of blocks (if he or she pointed for it).
> 
> Brian

I am a 35 year old runner who wants to run under 2:00 this spring for 800
meters, hopefully around 1:58. For interest sake, In the spring of 1991 I
ran 2:01.3, in practice I ran 200 in 24.9 and 400 in 55.1.

Ken
From: read@henson.cc.wwu.edu (thomas read)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: >200 meter track
Keywords: lap length
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:24:18 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

On any track the turns are usually semicircles. This means you can 
compute the length of any lane from the formula for the circumference
of a circle: length = 2pi x radius. In this case, to get the length
of a lap in an outside lane, add 6.28 x (distance from inside of track)
to the length of the inside lane.

On another recent subject: I have been running with a pack for 25
years. The main requirement is a waist strap to prevent movement and
some thoughtful packing (e.g. put books flat against your back and
wedge in with clothing; better yet, have a spare copy at home). I
have been very satisfied with relatively inexpensive day packs from
Recreational Equipment in Seattle, but in a pinch I have just put a
belt through the shoulder straps of a pack without a waist strap with
reasonable success.

Tom Read
read@henson.cc.wwu.edu
From: wolf@doppel.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: wolf@first.gmd.de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 19 Dec 92 15:46:29 GMT


Magdi writes :

   For more info on this subject, see the January issue of Runner's World.  In it
   Cooper outlines some guideleines for fitness and percent reduction in causes of
   death versus fitness levels.  Although I don't uunderstand it fully, Cooper's
   22 years of research show that people who run 20-30 miles per week (4-6 days)
   have a 65 % reductio while people who run more than 40 miles/week (7 days) 
   have a 60 % reduction on causes of death.  This would suggest there is some
   sort of law of diminishing returns.  This is some ways refutes what you have
   said....
   
Sort of these figures are found commonly in literature so I often thought
about possible reasons for this strange effect.
Now I believe the key is not the running milage of these 'high-milers'
but it's their *mental attitude*.
People who run more than 40 miles per week belong (mostly) to some ambitious
sort of men. All what they do, they do with great effort and they want
maximum success.
And exactly this point is it, that shortens their life, not the higher
milage ! 
(BTW. my milage in the mean is about 60/week).

wolf

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Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:18:48 -0500 
From: Richard Darrell Hayes <rh2u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pain in hamsting


       I have pain in my hamstring, from this area, about midpoint and
towards the inside, everything below it to the knee is tight and hurts
when I'm running.  The pain I have is a buring sensation and muscles
(hamstring and calf) that get tight and spasm.  I also have the pain in
my hamsting when i sit for extended periods of time.  I've tried heating
pads, ultrasound, diathermy, and even rest, but nothing seems to help. 
Any ideas?  I would like to get running again as soon as possible as not
to miss much of the indoor season.


Thanks,
Rich Hayes