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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: CO in Nova Scotia
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:28:29 GMT

In article <lnewton.79@pvec.bridgewater.ns.ca>, lnewton@pvec.bridgewater.ns.ca (LEE NEWTON) writes:
|> 	Previously someone posted something here for me about clubs in Nova 
|> Scotia. I got hardly any info back, so I am trying again. I would like to n\
|> know of clubs in the Halifax area, or beyond. Doesn't matter. I already know 
|> about Crystal Cresent. I was nude in the snow before, and while 
|> exhilerating, I really don't want to do it for relaxation!

Ya ... I promised to send you some stuff, and, in fact, did send it to
you last night. Honest! Anyway, for anyone else who is interested, here
is what I sent:

Bluenose Naturist Club
P.O. Box 2841
Dartmouth, N.S.
B2W 4Y2
(902) 883-1262

Maritime Organized Naturist Association
Elmsdale, N.S.
B0N 1M0
(902) 883-1354


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Xref: sparky rec.nude:5620 alt.folklore.urban:28665
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:38:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.nude
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bxp4Iw.B97@egsner.cirr.com>, datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:

>>>     I have been told that in Pennsylvania it is illegal to drive without
>>>     shoes!

> My dad (in PA) insisted that it was illegal to drive without a shirt.

>>>     No other article of clothing was specificly required.  Shoes were
>>>     required supposedly because of the higher force you could exert for
>>>     braking.

> I find that they hamper my "feel" for the brake pedal -- especially the
> 5" heels 8^)

>>This is an urban legend.  It is not required to wear shoes.  I've met members
>>of the State Police who laugh really hard

> Wow!  You've met PA troopers who laugh? 
> The ones I've met were quite military.

It depends on what you are doing when you meet them.

Terry
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JEFF)
Subject: Re: TV's Hard Copy reports on nudism
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:37 EST  

In article <BxxrC8.BrD@ns1.nodak.edu>, galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster) writes...
>The US TV program "Hard Copy" (ABC?) is adversing a segment tomorrow
>(Thursday, 11/19/92) billed as "Everything you never wanted to know
>about American nudism".  I may not get to watch it.  I hope somebody
>posts a report! (Doesn't sound good)
> 
No it doesn't.  Hard Copy has already trashed nudism earlier this year
with a lurid report about a murder at a nudist "colony".  I'll see if I
can tape it and post a report.
From: nikita@russia (John R. Hardy)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: nude-utah?
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:14:17 GMT
Organization: Hardy & Assoc.


In article <1efjrmINNpgk@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca writes:

 > According to the World Guide:
 
 > also:
 >   Lake Powell Houseboating
 >   Utah Naturists (PO Box 9058, Salt Lake City, UT 84109. (801) 278-9740.)
 > 
 > Sorry, I'm not taking the time to enter descriptions of each.  Refer to the
 > recent FAQ for info on ordering the World Guide.
 > 
Thanks for all the info.  I am taking down that address and phone #.  I had                      
heard that on Antelop(sp?) island in the Great Salt Lake was for nudists, and
naturalists, yet I had no way out there.  I think this will help.
                          
                          
                          John R. Hardy
                        Midvale, Ut. 84047
                       email:  nikita@russia
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:24 GMT

ccaamrg@ucl.ac.uk (Mike Gahan) writes:

>I have heard that in the state of Iowa (or is it Idaho) it is (or was)
>forbidden to travel on public transport within an hour of eating
>garlic. 

No, in Idaho you must eat potato(e)s while you are traveling
topless/nude in a convertible (or a Kenworth)!

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From: Wayne.Silsbee@f223.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Silsbee)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: excitement
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.722507637.AA00000

In article <1992Nov22.151647.2467@gacvx2.gac.edu> jkroger@poblano.gac.edu
(Jonathan F Kroger) writes:


 JFK> Question:  Do you think that the wide spread acceptance of public
 JFK> nudity  would decrease the excitement of sex?

No, but wide spread acceptance of public nudity would probably decrease the
excitement of seeing public nudity.


Wayne

silsbee@f223.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher)
Subject: Re: Christianity and nudity
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:57:48 GMT

This is such a beautiful quote, I want to have it repeated.
I'm sorry it was an anonymous original post, else I'd certainly give credit
where it belongs.

Thank you, whoever, wherever, you are. I look forward to meeting you
One Day, if not before.

Paul

>       Please realize you are not saving peoples' souls by condemning the
>       nudist lifestyle, a lifestyle which fosters fellowship and acceptance
>       of people as HUMAN BEINGS, not as sex objects.  Please channel your
>       God-given energies towards keeping violence off the streets, and
>       maybe towards convincing networks that nudity is not as dangerous to
>       show as graphic violence is.



---------------

Paul Burkimsher
European Laboratory for Particle Physics,
CERN
CH-1211 Geneva 23
Switzerland

Tel: +41-22-767-4915
Fax: +41-22-767-3900

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Subject: help preserve civil right
Reply-To: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Nov 92 09:56:05 EST

Don't you think your discussion belongs on another grouping.  So far
it's light years from nude.rec.
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Topless at U of R
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:24:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov20.165615.26692@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jwlx_ss@tribble.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Wilcox) writes:

> her shirt on.  Security was called, but she refused to put on her shirt
> saying that if she were a man, they wouldn't be bothering her.  A male student
> also took off his shirt when security came.  This took place at 6:20pm.
> This is Primetime.  I guess it really shook up a lot of people.  Great.

She sure is brave!  We've had really cold weather here in Pittsburgh and
if Rochester has had similar weather, she might die of "exposure"! ;-)

Thanks for the post.  Please keep us informed.

Terry
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From: dhanson@cc.utah.edu (Devin J. Hanson)
Subject: Re: nude-utah?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:11 MST  

In article <722092516snx@russia>, nikita@russia (John R. Hardy) writes...
{Is there anywhere in Utah, besides my apartment that is for nudists?                          
{Finding such a place could really help my tan... :)
{ 
{                       email:  russia!nikita

I'm also in Utah, and have been going to the beach at the Great Salt Lake, but 
now that it is winter I don't know what to do for CO activities, if you find 
anything email me and let me know! 

Thanks

Devin
dhanson@cc.utah.edu
From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Theological Defense of Nudism
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:22:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I wrote, and still maintain that...

>I find the idea (due to St. Augustine) that sex is SOLELY for procreation
>to be one of the most singularly offensive and perverse distortions ever to
>emerge from anyone's theology.  Unfortunately, there will always be people
>intent on finding other people who are enjoying all aspects of the
>multi-faceted life God gave us, and trying to make them STOP IT.  

I unfortunately added...

>Just don't try this crap with me -- unless you want a verbal,
>intellectual, and theological beating you'll remember for a long, long
>time.

I sincerely apologize to the readers of this group for including such overt
hostility in my post.  This is a thoroughly unworthy way in which to
discuss issues of theology and faith.  I am sorry.

I will, however, continue to oppose in the strongest possible terms the
theological oversimplifications and distortions of Christian
fundamentalists and their kin, whose ideas on the subjects of nudity and
human sexuality are at best clumsy and heavy-handed, and whose approach to
life in general is the most complete denial of our God-given humanity that
I can possibly imagine -- it is thoroughly oppressive and utterly
dehumanizing.  Fortunately for those who manage to survive the ravages of
this destructive ideology, there are positive alternatives.

But to survive, you must be willing to face the way things actually are
instead of the way everyone tells you they are "supposed to be"; you must
do your own thinking and resist the enormous social pressure to conform to
the pre-conceived, impersonal group norm; and -- most difficult of all --
you must find the courage to remove yourself from a manipulative and
damaging environment.  The blesssings of life and of faith await those who
have the courage to change!

Fred Chapman
ex-fundamentalist

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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nude-utah?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 08:39:18 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <722092516snx@russia> nikita@russia (John R. Hardy) writes:
>Is there anywhere in Utah, besides my apartment that is for nudists?                          

According to the World Guide:
  Canyonlands National Park (Needles district)
  Mill Creek Canyon
  Negro Bill Canyon
  Arches Nat'l Park
  Inlet Park Hot Spring
  Great Salt Lake nude beach
  Uinta Mountains

also:
  Lake Powell Houseboating
  Utah Naturists (PO Box 9058, Salt Lake City, UT 84109. (801) 278-9740.)

Sorry, I'm not taking the time to enter descriptions of each.  Refer to the
recent FAQ for info on ordering the World Guide.

Bill.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: X-Plicit Players, Sat. Nov 14
Date: 19 Nov 1992 09:42:14 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <65297@apadravya.princeton.edu>,
bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing) writes:
>I went to see the "Act of Intimacy" put on by the X-Plicit Players on
>Saturday November 14th.  It was at New College in the Mission district
>in San Francisco.  I have to say it was one of the most wonderful
>experiences of my life ...  it's left me feeling happy all over for
>days afterward.  Wharfie gave a pretty good description of what actually
>happened, though I can't really describe the feelings in words, or
>the look on the players' faces towards the end.  I just think, anybody who
>found the description of it to be interesting and not off-putting should
>seriously try to go in the future ...
>
>(and stay past the beginning.  Someone [was it Lisa from Hampshire
>College?] said "lots of people left early and said it was boring".  At
>first it was indeed kind of boring, and also there's tension in the air.
>There's a big audience, all clothed, sitting around, while a few naked
>cast members lie around and the leader, Debbie, walks around reciting
>strange words into a microphone over a soundtrack of sparse Eastern-ish
>music and similar strange words.  This goes on for awhile, and once you
>get over the naked bodies (painted with big stylized lips :-), it's
>relatively uninteresting, esp. if you think this is it.  But just wait
>an hour or so ...)
>
>ben
>--
I whent also and had a great experience. It was a little scarry at
the beginning as there were few women in the audience. But the
Players did a good job of making a 'safe space'. I think that it is
really smart having it take a long time to get started. That way
people who are uncomforatable with the whole thing have an
opportunity to leave if they want and people who are looking for a
thrill get bored and leave... This is really smart. Anyway I just
wanted to encourage other women to stick it out. The last part is
really nice and loving touch, in the nude with the people there..
Both, people in the audience and the Players....

Thanks,
Jennifer
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Email Swim Meet (ESM)
Keywords: swim
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:16:30 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

The discussion on which event seems to have evolved into an
episode of "?Que es muy macho?" (an old Saturday Night Live skit)
This reminds me of an event I concocted during my triathlon days:
        
       The Ultimate Swim to Death!!
 Particpants wear radio broadcasting heart monitors and continuously
swim around Australia until only 1 swimmer is left alive. That swimmer
is then rescued.

But seriously folk..., I think it would be more constructive to consider
the guidelines when proposing events to see how well the events conform
to the guidelines.

Proposed guidelines included:

An event or combination of events not usually swum at meets. (The
rationale is that if it is a common event, you could just do it at
the next scheduled meet.)

The event or combination should be able to be completed in a typical
workout time. (The rationale is that otherwise a special pool session
will be required, which might pose a logistics or financial problem
for most folks.)

Let me propose yet another guideline:

The event should amenable to particpation by all age groups. (The rationale
is more participants.)

Please note that this last criteria does NOT keep the event from being
physically challenging for everyone. Here in Oregon, we have had 80 year
olds compete in and finish the Animal Meet ( 200 BF; 400 IM; 1650 FR).

What's your opinion?

Bruce Cheney
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Update 
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:15:25 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

UPDATE ON THE LORDS AND LADIES......

This past weekend, the Lords and Ladies had two swim meets, one a tri-meet
against Denison and Emory on Friday, and on Sat. against Miami (Oh) University.

On Fri, The Lords and Ladies traveled to Denison U, for the tri-meet, the
ladies looking for revenge against their loss to Denison in the NCAC Relay meet
the weekend before.  They got their vengance dramitically with a nice win
against both teams.  The Lords handily defeated their opponents, even without
warmdowns after each event, which stunk because there was no warmdown pool to
be used. 

On Saturday, major accomplishments were made on both sides of the teams.  Miami
, even though the womens bus broke down in Columbus making the meet start 2
hours later than called for, beat the Ladies by 5 points, the difference coming
in the IM events.  Congratulations to Carla Ainsworth who made NCAA cuts in the
200 free with and impressive 1:56.69.
The Lords pulled together as a team and gave Miami a scare going into the IM's
as they led by 5 points until Miami went 1,2,3 in that event.  The Lords posted
a 15 point loss, which is 20 points less than what we lost to them last year. 
Coach Steen is very pleased with both teams, saying that we just did
incredible, and promptly gave us another 3000 for time to do that next week!
(Wheee fun!)  Anyway, Brian Dowdall Chris Churchill Andy Eaton and Mike Dawson
promptly creamed the Miami 400 free relay with splits of 46, 46, 45, 44 being
posted by the four.  Coming up this weekend, Bowling Green Ohio.  


ALSO, one question, if we are doing the mythical meet, who do we send times to?

	John

___________________________________________________________________________
I am a swimmer thus I am mad.  I am also a physics major, thus I am
COMPLETELY OUTTA MY MIND!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Email Swim Meet (ESM)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:37:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Keywords: swim

In article <1570@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
#>The discussion on which event seems to have evolved into an
#>episode of "?Que es muy macho?" (an old Saturday Night Live skit)
#>This reminds me of an event I concocted during my triathlon days:
#>        
#>       The Ultimate Swim to Death!!
#> Particpants wear radio broadcasting heart monitors and continuously
#>swim around Australia until only 1 swimmer is left alive. That swimmer
#>is then rescued.
#>
#>But seriously folk..., I think it would be more constructive to consider
#>the guidelines when proposing events to see how well the events conform
#>to the guidelines.
#>
#>Proposed guidelines included:
#>
#>An event or combination of events not usually swum at meets. (The
#>rationale is that if it is a common event, you could just do it at
#>the next scheduled meet.)
#>
#>The event or combination should be able to be completed in a typical
#>workout time. (The rationale is that otherwise a special pool session
#>will be required, which might pose a logistics or financial problem
#>for most folks.)
#>
#>Let me propose yet another guideline:
#>
#>The event should amenable to particpation by all age groups. (The rationale
#>is more participants.)
#>
#>Please note that this last criteria does NOT keep the event from being
#>physically challenging for everyone. Here in Oregon, we have had 80 year
#>olds compete in and finish the Animal Meet ( 200 BF; 400 IM; 1650 FR).
#>
#>What's your opinion?
#>
#>Bruce Cheney

I share Bruce's sentiments. Perhaps we should have age-group
categories as in Master's. And let's not have any more of
these youthful workouts proposed in which I have to repeat
distances faster than I can complete them.

Alternatively, the under-30 group can do those killer
workouts if they really want to. I suggest that those
of us over 30 divide up into 30-34, 35-39, etc. and do
something reasonable. Note that I consider the Animal
Meet reasonable, though I'm not currently in condition
to do it. (Ten years ago I was.:<) Anyone else for 45-49?

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley
Richmond Field Station
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: water polo suits
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:27:40 GMT

I am wondering if anyone has any advice regarding what brand of water
polo suit (men's) is best (i.e. most durable) and how one can buy them
most inexpensively.  I bought some Speedos through a teammate a while
ago, and have been pretty happy with them (well, the red ones at
least--I got a black one but it only had one layer of fabric, and it
faded to brown pretty quickly), but my last one has all but
disintegrated.  I'll summarize if there's interest.  Thanks,

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:21:46 GMT

In <1992Nov18.195753.20584@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:

>How about Dave Wharton's 24 hours of 8x(2x(4000m/hour), hour rest) for
>64,000m long course?  How about his 16,000m IM long course (just think about
>it!)?

Ah. So that's why he beat me!!!

Donncha
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jsalmi@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: Re: SETS SETS SET (was Re Email swim meet)
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Devner
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.195753.20584@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>(Carrying it one step further)
>
>How about Tracy Caulkins' 100x100 on 1:00?
>
>How about Dave Wharton's 24 hours of 8x(2x(4000m/hour), hour rest) for
>64,000m long course?  How about his 16,000m IM long course (just think about
>it!)?

*OUCH* - i don't WANNA think about it.  my shoulders get sore at the mere
thought.  

16,000m im.  none for me, thanks...

cheers,
-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

    US West takes no responsibility for anything that I might say.  Ever.
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: youth swimmers
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:50:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com

In article 6282@athena.mit.edu, vonjako@athena.mit.edu (Christopher Von Jako) writes:
>And, finally any comments on whether it is better to enter pinky first
>in the backstroke or to enter with the thumb and rotate the arm after
>the arm enters the water.

When entering the water, you want your pinky first.

Now when it exits the water, down by your side, that's open to debate.
Egerzegi (sp?) recovers with her pinky first.  Zubero exits with his
thumb first.

Tim