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From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:27:51 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>
>>Anyway, back to your point.  PC users have no idea what the word elegance is.
>>I must tell you quite frankly that the PC is (apart from OS/2- 2.0 which has
>>interesting possibilities) absolutely the worst micro I have ever owned. My
>>GS is far superior to my 486. At least 5 megs is 5 megs. No wonder Apple is
>>selling lot's of Mac's. I'm just surprised that Apple isn't the micro 
>>standard at this point.
>> 
>>In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a
>>large market and a lot of stuff is available for what is a terrible piece
>>of junk, my GS is better than my 486 (as are my Mac's), and the Amiga has
>>nothing to apologize for. It's a far better computer than the PC will ever
>>be.
>>
>>Just my $2000 worth (price of the MPC thing approximately-> with "8 megs of
>>RAM, giving me 550k of usable RAM").
>> 

>Hmmm...  No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
>fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.

Jerry, you're such a moron sometimes.

Here's a guy that appears to be giving an honest opinion of at least two
machines (a GS and a clone).  He doesn't even really mention anything abou
the amiga being better, just that it "has nothing to apologise for".

Why would you post a two line *bash* of an Amiga user (or is he, he doesn't
say, and I can't remember) for these comments?  

Can't you face the fact that everyone doesn't like the same things as you,
Jerry?  What's your problem, Jerry?  Why are you being such an asshole
lately, Jerry?

Geez...

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From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:40:48 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep9.154243.23044@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
[ lots of OS/2 vs AmigaOS stuff deleted]
> >
> >But all in all, it probably has a place in the realm of
> >modern-day, "sophisticated" OS's (even if it IS limited to
> >single-letter drive specs),
> >
>
> Send me some mail when you need to add drive #27 to your system.
>

My Amiga has 62 logical drives assigned at the moment.  And my PClone at work
is *always* out of drive letters (it is hooked up to a Novell network, and all
26 letters are almost always assigned).  Needing more than 26 drive letters
doesn't necesarily imply 27 physical drives.  (Those 62 assignments on my system
are sitting on 7 physical drives.)
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Keywords: rubbish,utter rubbish,total rubbish
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <etxansk.715593993@garbod20> etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>hutchens@uwa.oz.au (JL HUTCHENS) writes:

>>> [Lynx is] the only Atari product that works right now!

>>AND IT WAS DESIGNED BY SOME OF THE GUYS WHO DESIGNED THE AMIGA!

Indeed, RJ and Dave.  Cool machine, too bad they had to sell it to Atari.

>  And the Amiga was designed by some of the guys who designed
>the Atari 800! 

That's essentially true, in that Jay Minor worked on the Atari 800 video 
chips.

>The Lynx wasn't designed by Atari, the Amiga wasn't designed by Commodore. 

Parts of the Amiga 1000 were designed, or at the lest specificed, by C=.  When
C= took over Amiga, the system they were working on had 128K of RAM, a small
ROM, no true GUI, and Apple II compatible 5.25" floppies.  Stuff happened
between then and the actual introduction, though little of it had anything
to do with the Amiga chipset.

>The Atari ST was designed by the guy who designed the Commodore 64. 

Nope.  Most of the C64 chip people left Commodore long before the Tramiel 
split.  Some of them founded Ensoniq, a company that makes music keyboards
(in fact, their first sound processor chips looked something like the C64's
VIC chip).

> Btw, I've heard that the founder of Atari, Nolan Bushnell, works
>for Commodore these days.

He was hired to hype CDTV after all the work was done.  I heard recently 
he's out of C= and onto something else nowadays.

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From: danaf@lib102.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:55:28 GMT

Yeah, maybe he ISN'T worth the killfile entry, but only because you can't
escape him anyway. You still have to read the long flame-posts from people with
REAL opinions, who just happen to be in their pissed-at-Marc modes.

Fear not, I have a solution!

If we ALL put Marc into our kill files, then nobody will be able to see what
he posts, and there will be no more quotes from him, and eventually he'll just
shrivel up from lack of attention, which is obviously what he craves (at all 
costs...).


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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:27:59 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <13827@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.150828.19975@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>In article <18pa3vINN8ep@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>>
>>< lots of stuff deleted >
>>
>>Trivia Question : Where did the name Winchester come from?
>>
>>Clue : It does not refer to the Winchester Rifle.  For the longest 
>>time I believed that there was something in the drives which was
>>similar to the firing mechanism in a rifle.  :-)
>
>Actually it did refer to a Winchester Rifle - the 30-30. You see, the first
>drive of this type (forgot who made it) was placed in a combination 30MB
>fixed/30MB removable drive unit. Thus '30-30'. It was a 'joke' which stuck.

I guess the IBM reps at Hursley Park in the UK were lying to us when 
they said the name Winchester refers to the name of the town nearby.
It certainly made more sense than the rifle reference, but then again
these guys were from IBM and their pitch was more PR than anything else.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.014958.13844@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.200402.18672@news.Hawaii.Edu> hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Dr. Hsueh-li Cheng) writes:
>>In article <5417@tuegate.tue.nl> peter@blade (Peter Korsten) writes:
>>>
>>>The AA-chipset doesn't support all SVGA features, like 800x600 or
>>>1024x768 in 256 colors.
>>
>>	There has been numerous posts stating that the AGA chipset
>>does have 800x600 resolution in 256 colors and in 256,000+ colors(HAM8). 
>>Also since the AGA chipset is programmable like the ECS, I think it 
>>may be possible to have 1024x768 and 1280x960 resolutions in a future
>>release of workbench, though I'm not sure if the bandwidth would allow 
>>256 colors.
>
>   Sure, the AGA chipset is repgrammable, but there are limits to the
>reprogrammability.  I've made up a phrase to describe the limits of
>reprogrammability on the AGA chipset: "If you can't do it on the A600 or
>CDTV, then you can't do it on the A4000."  This is because the AGA Lisa

Oooooooh, take this phrase to heart everyone, Marc Barrett has spoken!
If Marc Barrett says that it cannot be done, then surely it is not
possible!  Rumor has it that Marc Barrett is now in charge of R&D at
Commodore and we'll all start seeing some really cool stuff!  How in 
the world has Commodore been able to survive without that Amiga genius,
Marc Barrett?

>chip does not have the capability to generate any resolution modes that
>are not also possible (with less color capabilities) on the ECS Denise
>chip, which the A600 and CDTV use.

I've heard that the new Amigas will have a MarcBarrett chip which will
allow for any resolution from 1x1x1 up to 2048x2048x48, and if you want
more, all you have to do is start bitching and whining like a child!

>>Personally, I feel that 640x480 is good enough for most PC   
>>applications and 800x600 is just an added bonus. Sure it would be          
>>nice to have 1024x768 if you have a large monitor, but at least             
>>640x480 isn't blocky like the 320x200 resolutions. I know in certain         
>>applications it is better to have higher resolutions, but this is the
>>first unveiling of the A4000, give C= a chance to get some feedback to
>>add new resolutions in the next OS release.
>
>Spoken like a true Amiga owner.  But I'm afraid that it will take whole
>new hardware and not an update to Workbench to fix the A4000's resolution
>problems.

Spoken like a true asshole.  But I'm afraid that it will take more than
a whole roll of toilet paper to wipe up your bullshit and plug the tube
connecting your asshole to your mouth.

>>Joseph
>>hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Eat shit and die you little worm.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: matija@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Zorro III cards?
Summary: Zorro III card is Zorro II compatible
Keywords: Zorro II, Zorro III
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:51:53 GMT
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Aug30.004851.16643@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>Unfortunately, I'm quite certain that the Rambrandt is Zorro II, as PP&S
>indicated its A2000/2500 compatibility in the AW Graphics Issue. As Zorro III
>[..]
  You forgot that a well designed Zorro III card has the capability to
behave as a Zorro II PIC. 
IF a Zorro III PIC senses a Zorro II bus it behaves as a Zorro II PIC,
if a Zorro III bus is present it can use the extended bandwide.

Remember that at the initialisation phase the Zorro III PIC has to
behave as a Zorro II PIC in order to get recognised right. It has to
tell the system it is actually a Zorro III PIC.

Bye 
 Matija

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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:17:10 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Jouni Alkio writes:
>Still, I will be very happy with the Falcon, and I don't have to pay
> much.

Which is EXACTLY the point of the Falcon/030 - Well said!


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From: mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: NotePad (was: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:10:17 GMT
Organization: AMiSYS Consulting
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <34885@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> In article <mykes.0dbb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >It would have been nice if a USEFUL notepad application shipped with 2.0x.
> >Every doc file for every PD program and even the readme's for commercial
> >apps SHOULD be done in NotePad, IMO.  Food for thought.
> 
> I disagree.  All Notepad brought to the party was font sensitivity
> in the document.

And you don't see that as something a new Amiga owner would want, especially
now with CG font support built in to the OS?

> 						  Much more useful for distributing docs would be
> a hypertext display engine.  Notepad was a toy;  it could be useful, but
> not as useful as something designed for the purpose.

There's room for both, and by dropping NotePad in 2.04, the users have
neither.  Using amigaguide for simple readme files (the type of files Mike was
talking about) is overkill.  For online docs and help, sure, it's perfect.
But for displaying readme files, an updated, 'style guide'-compliant NotePad
would be much nicer to use than something like "More", or any of the custom
text readers supplied with most apps.  Not to mention that it would provide
the new Amiga owner with a basic, font-sensitive, pseudo-'word processing'
program, right out of the box.

Mike
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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:26:14 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>I don't buy a system to plug peripherals in. I buy a system to do work. If I
>have to buy extra hardware to do that work, when the standard hardware in the
>previous models was perfectly good (the CURRENT CBM SCSI is pretty good, it's
>going to be hard for a third party to do significantly better without costing
>a LOT more), that's a worse deal.

  I've never been a fan of the "cooked" system.  Modularity has its merits,
just look at the evolution of video standards on the PeeCee.  Had they been
integrated into the motherboard the sweeping acceptance probably would not
have been realized for EGA then VGA, it might have even fragmented the 
marketplace over different standards much as early MS-DOS clones were.

>Yeh, the same can be said of every other individual feature. So what's the
>future going to hold? A 486-based Amiga? It'd be cheaper, and you could
>always buy a 68030 card. :->

  Much the same, I've never been into "cpu worship" either.  Great code runs
better on a technically marginal chip than marginal code runs on a technically
greater chip, eh? ;-)

  -jack-
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:17:32 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I've had two replies in that past couple of hours (thanks guys!) and
have the horrible feeling that my mailbox is going to double in size
unless I post this saying no more - please :-)

	Mark

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:35:44 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <8vyyc2@rpi.edu> danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
> I have just one tiny problem with this buyout-stock rise-big $$$ scenario.
>
> CBM stock has been around $12.50 all its LIFE! Sure, new product announcements
> have been known to breathe some new life into the trading, but for the most
> part the "normal" price for a share of CBM stock seems to be between $10 and
> $15!
>
> So, why will Big Things happen NOW as opposed to any other time since the A1000
> was introduced lo, so long ago?
>
>

CBM's stock used to be like $80 and it split at least once in my memory.  However,
in the last few years, CBM was as low as $4 (after Sadaam invaded and the whole
market fell).  It rose from there to the low $20s and has been dropping steadily.
My most recent newspaper I could find shows CBM at $7.5 on Aug. 27.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:56:43 EDT
From: <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
 <92256.155713JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Sep13.061657.12557@nntp.uoregon.edu>

In article <1992Sep13.061657.12557@nntp.uoregon.edu>, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu
(Gregg Giles) says:
>
>   No - AGA is not pin compatable with ECS. You cannot plop the AGA chipset
>into the A3000.
>
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Not pin compatible but what about installing it on a ZorroIII Card or through
the CPU slot.  I'd even go for a mother-board swap if it wasn't outrageously
priced.

JK
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The BOOK that will CHANGE YOUR LIFE
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>On 8 Sep 92 20:35:03 GMT, barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) said:
>> 	o	How to win at BLAZEMONGER and lose only 2 limbs!
>>...
>> ?	Can't win at BLAZEMONGER?  [See page 3,719 to learn why it's
>>       not possible.

In article <ALANB.92Sep9162913@swordfish.sdl.mdcbbs.com> alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins) writes:
>Shome mishtake here, shurely??

	Nope, it's entirely consistent.  The first entry explains how
someone can win at BLAZEMONGER.  The second explains why YOU cannot do it.
If you want more details, buy the book. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:57:42 GMT

In <1627@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:

>peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>>In article <1624@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>>>   Really? How could they possibly? SAS makes the compilers CBM use, and
>>> CBM has nothing to do with the actual development.

>  Me too. As it is right now the only good compiler for the Amiga appears
>to be SAS/C (and GCC, but it's hardly usable).

Why do you say that gcc is hardly usable?  Sure it requires plenty of
RAM, is hell to install, and probably assumes the user has had some
experience using gcc (and other tools, such as man, info, etc.) under
Unix.  Personally, now prefer using gcc 2.2.2 over Manx and DICE.  I
haven't tried SAS yet.  The only thing missing is gdb (!!!!).

>Unfortunately, MANX seem to have dropped the Amiga version,

That's not true.  The most recent version I have is 5.2, which
was available months ago as a beta release for testing on Bix.
I think they are working on a new release.  I doubt they will keep
pace with the new SAS release.

>so I guess the only thing to hope for is the rumoured commercial DICE.

I haven't heard from Matt for ages since he abandoned Bix.  Is he
still working hard on getting BSD up and running?  What version of
DICE are we up to now?

Ben
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an i
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:24:56 GMT

In article <92254.020231LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

[ ]
>
>One might run into trouble if he/she wants to plug in cards that
>uses similar IRQ's or DMA channels or BIOS addresses.  It might be kind
>of silly, but can you plug in multiple Soundblasters (or HD controllers)
>in the PC ?  (multiple == any integer >1 and < # of slots available).

The CDPC unit from MediaVision consists of 2 sound boards (a SB+ PAS-16),
CD-ROM and speakers. The SB IRQ is set to 5 via a jumper switch. The 
DMA is 1 I believe. On the other hand the CD has an IRQ of 15 and the
PAS-16 is typically IRQ 7 DMA 3. In software to get the CDTV to play the
speech part of the SB I had to switch the IRQ to 7. You then play around
with things to get Windows configuration for the PAS-16 part (through sw).
I was never able to get it to work properly. My dealer now has that problem.
IRQ's, etc..are not simple especially if you have scsi, sound, networks,...
The PC was not meant to be let loose on the public. After several nights 
of fiddling around with all that nonsense, I felt like calling up Apple
and letting them make an ad.
>
>Autoconfig (TM) feature in Zorro II & III allows the user to plug
>in as many card as physically possible (within power requirement,
># of cards do not exceed slots, address space required is within the
>allowable limits - 9 Meg (?) and 1 gig (?) on Zorro II & III)  All of
>these are quite possible without guess work by the users.

The Amiga design is far more intelligent, as is the MCA.

[ ]
 
Philip McDunnough
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy