HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Michael Bailey, more info (was Re: New anti-abortion tactic
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:02 GMT

In article <BvHFGM.484@chinet.chi.il.us> 
katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:

>              Mother sues to stop anti-aboriton ads
>
> A Jeffersonville, Indiana woman has claimed in federal court that
> her two children could suffer permanent "psychological and
> emotional injuries" from graphic anti-abortion ads sponsored
> by GOP congressional candidate Michael Bailey.
>
> Copeland, who characterized her family as "pro-life," said the
> ads constitute "psychological child abuse," and her children
> aren't ready to deal with the issues raised in the ads.  

What is so upsetting about looking at a picture of an aborted
fetus?  If the pro-abortion people can say that a fetus is 
nothing more than a "clump of cells", then there should be
nothing wrong with allowing children to look at a "clump of 
cells", right?  Or is this another example of their stinking 
hypocrisy?


Doug Holtsinger

 "For some of us, abortion on demand *is* no more serious than demanding a
  hamburger."
   -- Adrienne Regard
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: Effects of U.S. national debt
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 09:55:29 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <TOM.92Oct2073804@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>, tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
|> >>>>> Regarding Re: Effects of U.S. national debt; jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) adds:
|> 
|> jwh> I don't disagree with anything you've said, however, it would be very
|> jwh> helpful to have FICA revenues and expenditures removed from the aggregrate
|> jwh> numbers so we can really how tax revenues as a percentage of GNP match
|> jwh> up with prior years.  Likewise spending.  If you include FICA revenues
|> jwh> (and expenditures) people can claim that while income tax rates declined,
|> jwh> FICA rates increased dramatically, thereby implying that the shortfall
|> jwh> was made up by FICA, and hence the burden falls on those making less
|> jwh> than $50,000.  Does anyone have raw numbers for the past 20-30 years
|> jwh> on revenues and expenditures, such that revenues from FICA can be
|> jwh> removed from the revenue side, and FICA related expenses be removed
|> jwh> from the spending side?
|> 
|> Actually, I am not sure FICA shouldn't be counted. In one of the more famous
|> blue smoke and mirrors scams Congress has perpetrated during this time, they
|> have been borrowing money from the social security trust fund and treating
|> it as general revenue (the sort of thing that sends teamster pension fund
|> managers to jail...).

By separating out FICA revenue and expenditures, you will be able to
clearly see how much surplus there is that is going into the general
revenue fund.  When you lump FICA in with everything else, you create
a situation where it is easy for people to complain that 'entitlement'
spending is increasing dramatically and therefore must be curtailed.
However, you don't hear these same people saying that FICA should also
be reduced.  In other words, these people simply want to create a
larger FICA surplus from which they can borrow to pay for other things.
FICA payments should go only for FICA expenditures.  Any surplus should
be returned to the original payers with the provision that it be 
invested in a retirement plan.  This will have the effect of reducing
future FICA obligations, giving the workers a better return on their
money, and increasing the amount of investment capital available.
The 'deficit' will also increase because the government will no
longer be getting 'free' money from the SS Fund, thus putting more
pressure on the government to do something about it.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-LIV-FREE if you want to nuke Washington DC
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:30:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct2.183320.27009@newshost.unh.edu> pas@anchor.unh.edu (Paul A Sand) writes:

> Or has Mark simply decided to adopt the Kaldisian tactic of making an
> issue of his opponent's non-US location?

Ahem.  Uh ... Paul, I only criticize non-Americans who post messages
that are decidedly unAmerican.  I remember Ed Ipser from when he used
to post from a California site, and moreover his posts are certainly
_NOT_ unAmerican -- i.e., he doesn't fit either criterion.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
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From: goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold)
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
	<BvnMy7.90C@encore.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:54:56 GMT

In article <BvnMy7.90C@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>  First of all, no L.P. presidential candidate has ever exceeded 1%
>>  of the vote, so even if Marrou/Lord are doing that well this year
>>  and Perot is only doing 7% then Perot is still doing *7 times as
>>  well* as Marrou/Lord!   I would say that this IS "much better".

>Perot has never exceeded 0% of the vote.

I asked a week or two ago about petition numbers for the LP. While we needed
20-50,000 signatures in some states, Perot's campaign was pulling in hundreds
of thousands. Does anyone have clearer numbers?

>>  How many national polls have shown any L.P. support above the 
>>  margin of error?
>Haven't seen on any national polls, maybe he's doing well and we
>don't know it.  "Other" is usually pretty high.

Maybe we should start mentioning the LP not just to the media, but also to
the pollsters. Gallup might take more interest, having more of a reputation
for good polls, though I doubt any Republican/Democrat Party sponsored polls
would care, except to "normalize" the poll and add it to the "error."

>>  Fourth, the news media are privately owned and can say anything 
>>  they want.   

>While Libertarians are the only party that wish this were so, it is not.
>The media is regulated out the ying-yang.  Ever heard of "equal time for
>opposing views when a network/newspaper/radio station gives commentary?"

This is no longer the case. The networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) have decided to
give equal time to the "major" candidates despite not being held to it by law.
This strikes me as very libertarian; let the media decide people want to hear
equal coverage without making it into a law. It's up to the people to let the
media know they want to hear about the LP as well.
--
 Mitchell Gold     /  middleman of
 sundance@rpi.edu /  rec.games.frp.archives
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Another Proof of the Utility of AffirmativeActionPlans
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:51:34 GMT

sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
] 
] Clinton was liable for the draft; he got a high lottery number,
] lucky for him.  Quayle entered a privileged National Guard unit,
] and has spent most of the time since then on the payroll
] of the federal government.
 
Eric,

I does believes you are missing the fact that this
was a quintessential affirmative action program for
anotherwise IntellectuallyChallengedPerson, and
hence proof that the Bush-Qyuale {why does QuaaLude come to mind...}
Ticket understands the importance of helping those 
who can not help themselves...

Would Dandy Dan, without government support,
been able to make anything of himself????

Thus it kept him off the welfare roles,
and is Clearly a Positive Good.....

ciao
drieux




-- 
Modern Day Problems:

Entropy, Its not Just a Good Idea,
IT's The LAW!!!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: MD Governer wins APTA Award
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:26:39 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu

The following article appeared in the September 28th. issue of Passenger  
Transport, Copyright 1992, American Public Transit Association.  It  
acknowledges the achievments of Schaefer in advancing public  
transportation in MD, and making it a model for the nation.

"Governer Schaefer To Receive Award, Address Delegates"

     Maryland Gov. William Donald Schaefer, a national leader in promoting  
modern urban public transportation for the people of his state, will be  
receiving APTA's State Distinguished Service Award and will also be  
speaking at the closing of General Session at APTA's Annual Meeting in  
Sand Diego.
     The Annual Meeting kicks offi in less than three weeks on Sunday,  
Oct. 18, and continues through Wednesday, Oct. 21.
     Gov. Schaefer, now serving in his second term as governer after four  
terms as the mayor of Baltimore, led the way for the development of  
Baltimore's new Central Corridor Light Rail Line.  He will recieve his  
award at the Tuesday morning Grand Awards Breakfast.
     The governer will address the Wednesday afternoon General Session  
...
     In addition to getting the light rail system built in under three  
years, the governer has also streamlined rail passenger service in  
Maryland by comining the adminstration of the State Railroad  
Administration with the Mass Transit Administration.  In the past five  
years, commuter rail ridership on MARC trains have grown from 6,000 to  
18,000 daily.
     Schaefer also worked to ensure the completion of the last segment of  
the Baltimore Metro system, which will be completed in late 1994.

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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ROSS PEROT!
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:26:07 GMT

In article <BvAJuM.Bz4@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com>,
dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:

|>In article <1992Sep27.223045.10058@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
|>writes:
|>>In article <19q0n6INNvg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
|>>(Thomas Hill) writes:
|>>
|>>|>   Just like to encourage everybody to show their support for Ross Perot
|>>|>for president. Change your sig file, put a sign in your car window, and
|>>|>spread the word about this decent man and his realistic plan to move this
|>>|>country forward.
|>>
|>>O.K. willco.
|>>
|>>---
|>>Phill Hallam-Baker
|>>
|>>Don't vote for Ross, hes a liar a quiter and a crook.
|>
|>The "Organization" line for this message contained:
|>   "Deutsches Electronen Synchrotron ..."
|>where the ellipsis indicates some stuff I've forgotten.
|>
|>Are you an American, Phill?

DESY is an international lab. There are several hundred Americans on site.

I'm not American, I object to Perots demand for Europe and Asia to pay $200
billion a year tribute to pay for US overspending.

Besides the original message had "Distribution: World" in the header so I was
merely complying.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
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Subject: Which plan will get us out debt?
From: berg@malice.cass.usu.edu (Glenn Berg)
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:15:17
Distribution: world
Organization: The Center for Atmospheric and Space Science, Logan, UT

Here's a question for y'all.  

But, first, do you know where our money comes from?  It enters circulation when
the FED, owned by international bankers, loans promissary notes (Federal
Reserve Notes), which only costs them the price of printing, to banks when
their supply of cash on hand gets below a prescribed limit.  Banks, in turn,
loan out this "money" at an elevated interest rate.  That's how it gets out
into the market place.  Every bill you carry around with you in your wallet or
purse has interest being paid on it (much of it with your tax dollars) to the
FED.  How does it make you feel to be paying interest on "your" money?  How
about the fact that the national debt places a large fraction of what you "own"
on mortgage to the FED?  If trends continue, how long will it be before all of
what you "own" will really belong the FED?

I remember when the basics of our monetary system was explained to me in Junior
High.  It sounded like such a great system at the time.  The money
"distributed" to and loaned out by banks is paid by the borrower to a vendor,
who either pays another vendor or deposits it in a bank.  Either way, the money
eventually ends back in a bank, where it can be loaned out again.  In this
manner, the paper money "distributed" by the FED is multiplied many times (I
seem to remember about a tenfold increase) into credit money.

This sounded great until I was enlightened (some would say just the opposite)
that I am paying usury on "my" money to an international corporation in which
I'm not invited to buy stock :).  Oh, and there's also the minor complaint that
this same corporation wants to see the USA surrender its sovereignty to a world
government, the purse strings (and, hence, the power) of which it controls.
Not a biggie, right?

Now the BIG question:

How can we ever cease being a debtor nation when we use a debt-based (instead
of, say, a gold-based) currency?  The "money" can remain in circulation only
while therein is someone needing to borrow it.  If the money supply were to
diminish, the need to borrow would grow.  Is there any way to get out of debt
under the current system?

Vote for the man who wants to put the FED out of business.

VOTE GRITZ FOR RIGHTS IN '92.

By the way, Gritz claims to be bullet proof (his military record is certainly
remarkable).  He'd better be if he plans to survive the presidency.
--
Glenn A. Berg (berg@logan.cass.usu.edu)
Center for Atmospheric and Space Sciences, Utah State University

"We've got one more hill to take... Capitol Hill!" - Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Choice for life (was Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:12:20 GMT


I can't just drop the "agenda"--I can't just look the other way.

As for my suggestions on abstinence--I neve said anything about your
personal habits, nor am saying that sex should be illegal, I was talking
about people excercising a little responsiblity.




Simon          The last Conservative on USENET
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: George Herbert Walker Bush, the "Environmental President"
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:05:39 GMT
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu's message of 29 Sep 92 03:27:27 GMT

Matt Austern writes:

   The Bush administration really did
   approve a regulation today which would permit strip mining in National
   Forests and National Parks.

I was horrified to see this--also curious about the muted public
reaction to it.  Can this policy be reversed by, maybe, a different
president?

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
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From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: All deficits are not created equal.
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
	<1992Oct1.202926.21348@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Oct2.165944.10756@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct2.235319.4749@u.washington.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.235319.4749@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:

   There is nothing inherently wrong with a deficit; it
   depends upon how the deficit is funded and what the
   money is spent on.

Right.  The problem with our deficit is that it was spent on useless
armaments instead of productive investments.

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker.
Peace is not the absence of war.  Peace is the presence of a system for
resolving conflicts before war becomes necessary.  War never creates peace.
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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-LIV-FREE if you want to nuke Washington DC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:49:37 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1992Sep30.073937.15674@nuscc.nus.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg sez:
>
>If you want to liberate America from the totalitarian grip of oppression:
>
>Call 1-800-LIV-FREE
etc.

I hope it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that Ipser posts from
Singapore, which "enjoys" so freedom-loving a government that the Wall
Street Journal was banned there a few years ago.  I won't even bother
recounting the story of my Singaporean college classmate who was
arrested and held without charges for several months.

-- 
		The sleep of reason begets Limbaughs.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: No on 9<FN)RD>
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:15:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <8443.25074@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.) writes:
>>I"VE NEVER SEEN ONE> IS THIS PART OF SOME TRILATERAL COMMISSISPIRACY THING?!??!
>>MAYBE I SHOULD EMAIL BOO"COO"VLAAS ABOUT THIS!  NAW> WHAT AM I THINKING??!
>>HE SHURLY ALREADY KNOWS!!!!!!1p
>
>You and I .. or I should say "I" had a bit of a row over one of
>your postings there BIFFO! Perhaps I was wrong about you too.
>Maybe we can trade files.    
>You'd be doing us all a big favor if you posted anything on the
>Committee that you might have?! 

LENN:;

224z225zI"M S)RRY< BUT I CNAT D) THAT.  THE INF)RMATI)N I HAV BC)ME
PRIVVVY 2 IS 2 SENSITIVE 2 P)ST.  NET M)NIT)RING W))D
D)UTLESSLY INNERCEPT SUCH MESSAGES NAD THNEN Y)U"D NEVER HEER
FR)M ME EVVVVVER AGIAN. H)WEVVVVER: I"VE DEVEL)PED A VARIANT
)F THE DES ENCRYPTI)N ALG)RITHM WHICH ELIMINATES THE CIA"S
BACKD))))RS. I""LL TRY T) GET A C)PY 2 U S) WE DCAN SAFLEY
EXCHANGE R FILES>.  MY PROGRAM IS ONLY 1600666 BYTES L)NG
I"L SEND YOU A HARDCOPY HEX DUMP (I"LL SEND IT BY MAIL
DISGUISED AS A POTATOE SALID RECIPE) 2 ENTER!@ RUN"S ONLY
ON C)MM)D)RE VIC-20 - BUT U SHUD B ABLE TO PORT IT TO UNIX
OR EVEN D)S.,

BTW: WHAT D) U NO ABOUT THE FBI AND WIRETAPS?

ALSO BTW: WHAT D) U DO? R U A TECH RITER 4 STRATUS???

--
BIIIIIF!1@BACKDOOORS.EDU

{MY ADDRESS KEEPS CHAGNING CUZ THER F)LL)WING ME!!!}
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From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:21:01 GMT

In article <nate.610@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) wrote:
>>> So we aren't likely to see adoption mentioned.  Fine.  My aunt and uncle 
>>> have been waiting 2 years to adopt and the list gets longer behind them.
>
>>I assume that your aunt and uncle have specified that they want a _white_
>>child without birth defects.  Invite them to broaden their standards. 
>>Their wait will shorten appreciably.
>
>    The fault is not necessarily that of Doug's aunt and uncle. I have 

What Douglas implied that the reason his relatives had to wait was because
abortion had reduced the number of available newborns, which, IMO, also
implies that since I have a functioning pair of ovaries, that I should
breed for all these people.

Most of the delay in adopting is not in availability, as there are plenty
of children available.  Most of the delay is in administrative paperwork,
approvals, legalities.  To imply that delays are caused by abortion is
absurd and is no justification for wanting abortion illegal.

Anyone who implies, or states outright that they are waiting for a child
and have to wait because of abortion deserves to wait--until hell freezes
over for all I care.

Jennifer
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:49397 ca.politics:8414 ba.politics:5841
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Canadian vs US health care (was "ACM downgrades Catastrophe Medical Insurance")
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:14:31 GMT
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Oct2.172519.9244@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

   In article <BvGnI1.FKB.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
   >
   >I had the opportunity to speak with an old friend of mine while we
   >were both home in Montreal earlier this week.  He's a neuro-surgery
   >resident in T.O., on rotation at Sick Kids this season...

   >He says that the Buffalo MRI site advertises heavily in Toronto, and
   >gets patients.  However, he has had to order new MRIs for many people,
   >owing to the poor quality of the results delivered from Buffalo.
   >There are also a lot of irrelevent MRIs taken.

   Sorry to hear that our doctors abuse them like the Americans ...
   keeping up with the Joneses, perhaps? (-;

You misread what I wrote.  I meant that a lot of the MRIs taken by
Ontarians at the Buffalo facility are frivolous (in the opinion of my
friend the neurosurgery resident).

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:33:10 GMT


Garret-

Do you realize that when you fire off nasty posts that it only serves to
hurt the credibility of your argument??

Flame away, if you want, but I'm not backing off.  Nor will I use your
tactics, I don't need to.

Simon
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Hospital Study Suggests Gays Are Very Unlikely To Be Molesters
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:04:56 GMT

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>>DENVER (AP)---A child is 100 times more likely to be molested by a
>>family member than a homosexual, a new study shows.

>Well, obviously a homosexual cannot be a family member.

>       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
>"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
>prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
>Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold

What a complete bonehead. Nothing more needs to be said.

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