HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: DEMOCRATIC Estonia
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 20:54:10 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep4.223612.1@cc.helsinki.fi>  thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> ...
> The Estonian law on citizenship gave direct access to citizenship to
> the descendants of the citizens of Estonian republic (1918-1940) that was
> unjustly (I suppose no one nowadays accepts this Stalinist Anschluss?)
> occupied by the Soviet Union. Some percentage of them are of Russian/
> Ukrainian etc. origin - there is no "ethnic" legislation of citizenship
> in Estonia! To naturalize automatically all settlers brought to country
> by the stalinist rule would have equalled accepting the Stalin-Brezhnev
> policy of liquidating the Estonian nation.

Why is that ? Americans who accepted masses of Germans on and around 1848
did not liquidate the American nation. On the contrary, they improved on it.
You know why farmers like to get bull sperm from some distant places -
for the same reason - to improve their cows.

> But everyone that has been dwelling two (I must check that?) years in
> Estonia can apply to citizenship. Some knowledge of Estonian is also
> required.

They can apply, but can they get it ? Last I heard, and please correct me
if I am wrong, those who applied did not get it. The majority of Estonian
vote (how democratic) turned down those applications. Now, you have to
excuse me, for I think I am relying on Erland Sommasgorg's info here. So,
please feel free to kick it if its wrong.

Oleg
From: adam@zooid.guild.org (Adam Lawrence Salter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Want English-Russian, Russian-English translator
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:48:06 GMT



  Does there exist a Russian-English, Engilsh-Russian translator or
dictionary? I mean an MS-DOS program, of course. I have seen many
English->Russian dictionaries but no Russian-English. I would of course prefer
a primitive translator with a large vocabulary to a dictionary and I would
prefer it translate both Russian->English and English->Russian. Does anything
like this exist, in commercial or shareware? 

  Please send replies by e-mail to adam@zooid.guild.org! DO NOT POST REPLIES!
I don't really follow soc.culture.soviet.

                                                        Adam Salter
adam@zooid.guild.org

P.S. Thank you for reading this!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: avdeyev@dsf58a.desy.de (Dmitry Avdeyev)
Subject: Re: E-mail help needed
Organization: Deutches Elektronen-Synchrotron (DESY)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:18:30 GMT

shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:

>Does anybody have any idea how to send mail to a person at "logen.msk.su"? My
>mail bounced back.

>Any help will be appreciated.

Hi!

Try to use "who is who" service to find out the right address.
Send mail with only "help" string to who_is_who@kiae.su.
You will receive some help information about this service.
Then you will be able to search the database for any adrresses which
look like "logen.msk.su", or even to get all list of *.msk.su.
Another solution is to get the database with routes of all Relcom nodes. It is
possible via mailserver. Send only one line "get System.routes" to
mailserv@kiae.su. Size is about 90Kbytes. Good luck.

		Dmitry Avdeyev.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: writers interested in stories
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:22:44 GMT

Well, now that I have alienated some of you out there into thinking
I am a "PC" maniac and a militant feminist (ask before shooting, please)
I will announce my real interest in Russian culture.

I am co-writing a book with a Russian woman about the history of the
underground culture in Russia. We plan to begin with Pasternak and
"Dr. Zhivago," and finish with rock culture and finally Parliament
Square. We are doing together, an American and a Russian, because
well for many reasons, but maybe that's not important.

Anyways, we are intersted in hearing any personal stories with samizdat,
or rock culture or any other topic that seems apropos.

Thank you,
patricia@cco.caltech.edu

PS I am leaving the US on Sept.14 for three months in Moscow,
during which I will have only limted access to email.

PPS I would love to hear an assortment of opinions about the novel
"Dr. Zhivago," and the film, too.
From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("Alex Allister Shvartsman, EMF,              LKG2-2/T2 04-Sep-1992 1015")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Non sequitur ...
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:13:27 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

From: Vadim Antonov <avg@RODAN.UU.NET>

>>How the russians keep russian culture alive in America?
>
>Well, concerning Russians -- my wife got baptised here in US (her
>God father is count Tolstoy -- no less!). At least, the Russian
>Orthodox Church is well alive here. [...]

My apologies in advance, but, since it was your decision to brandish
count's name -- is count Tolstoy a friend of your family and is he
providing spiritual guidance to your spouse? Or did you ask the count
to be a mere stand-in at the ceremony? Or are you impressed by titles
and names and are you looking forward to any opportunity to drop them
in public like you just did? What does the count has to say about this
or does he know?

Again, my apologies in advance.

Alex
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Stenka Razin
Date: 29 Aug 1992 03:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug28.214618.6302@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>
>I claim ignorance here (mine, of course). What's 'Provozzhalsia' ?

Same as "provozilsja". What is English equivalent, BTW?


Yury
From: kilborn4950@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Hymn to Red October---Lyrics
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:08:14 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Aug27.074950.29797@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) writes:
> 
> I would like to know if anybody out there has the lyrics, in Russian,
> Russian transliteration, or English, for the song "Hymn to Red October", as
> heard in the movie _The Hunt For Red October._
> 
> In the movie, the song is sung in Russian, and I can't make out more than a
> few of the lyrics.
> 
> Anybody that can help me, please e-mail me at the above address.
> 
> -- 
> Note to the Constitutionally impaired:  "...the RIGHT of the people to KEEP
> and BEAR arms..." means EXACTLY what it says!
> Vote Libertarian, Grassroots, or any third party...the Demopublicans are a
> bipartisan evil!        "Technomad"  cc697@cleveland.freenet.edu


        I can't speak for the entire net, but I would also very much like to
see those lyrics and it might be a good catch-all to post them directly to the
net.  Thanks
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Date: 3 Sep 1992 19:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Roots...

In article <1992Sep3.094059.13701@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>The battle is still going on and the winner is yet unclear.

Why don't you invite couple of Russian divisions to help? :)
Or member of Former (10 years old) Supreme Soviet. They have
well trained palms, quite suitable for the task :).

>
>How the russians keep russian culture alive in America?

Via flaming in s.c.s and t.p.s, of course.

>remember after tasting american help that you need in fact a Finn
>to solve out the mess as a consultant sooner or later.

Sorry, Russian tradition requires Dannish (sp?). You should think about
changing your nationality.


Krome togo my esche ne vseh peretjapali.

Yury.
From: morenoj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Janette Moreno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: English as a second language
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:52:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University


 I am reposting this without permission from the author.  It was posted to
 the TESL-L list. 

Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:59:09 EDT
Reply-To: Anthea Tillyer <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:ABTHC@CUNYVM>
              <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:TESL-L@CUNYVM>
From: Anthea Tillyer <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:ABTHC@CUNYVM>
Subject:      Letter from Russia
To: Multiple recipients of list TESL-L
              <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:TESL-L@CUNYVM>
Status: OR

Hi, folks! At least one of your TESL-L list "owners" is now back from
vacation and (one hopes) ready and able to help with any problems and
panics related to this list.
I was in Russia, and I found it once again a really fascinating and
enigmatic place.  The good news (for all of us on this list) is that
EVERYONE in Russia seems to be crazy about English and desperate to
learn and practice it.
The bad news (for all of us on this list) is that many Russians seem
to be learning just fine by themselves, simply by listening to the
BBC World Service language lessons on the radio!  In fact, I met many
people on this and my previous visit who spoke excellent English but
who had never had a chance to practice with a native-speaker before!
Some had never had any formal classes (other than those offered by the
BBC) in English.
I was both entranced and (professionally speaking!) unnerved; these
encounters have made me wonder even more exactly what makes a person
learn a language.
I have provisionally come to the conclusion that language learning is
almost totally a matter of MOTIVATION, and that the teacher, method, or
book are of relative insignificance in the outcome!
I remember hearing Earl Stevick many years ago explain his conviction
that second-language learning occurs best when the second-language learner
feels "love" for one or most of the native speakers of the target language.
He meant "love" in all its infinite meanings and varieties.  I guess this
is one kind of motivation.
My vacation this summer made me think again about motivation, its role
in language learning, and ways to foster motivation.
Does anyone have any effective tecniques to share with us, techniques that
develop the affect (rather than purely the cognitive) in our classes?
Anthea Tillyer City University of New York
most of the
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:7071 talk.politics.soviet:7680
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: writers interested in stories
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:09:51 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Sep04.142730.25045@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes 
(rightly):
>
>"Chukcha ne chitatel' - chukcha pisatel'"
>(Chukcha isn't reader, chuckha is writer).

Objection : this joke is NOT Politically Correct!!!!

It is racist : Chukcha is Asian,
and 
it is sexist : Chukcha is a man.
and 
it is anti-writist : Chukcha is a writer!

Senya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Non sequitur ...
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 19:19:52 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <9209041513.AA07267@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>From: Vadim Antonov <avg@RODAN.UU.NET>
>
>>>How the russians keep russian culture alive in America?
>>
>>Well, concerning Russians -- my wife got baptised here in US (her
>>God father is count Tolstoy -- no less!). At least, the Russian
>>Orthodox Church is well alive here. [...]
>

As I know Vadim and Polina and a little about this story,
I decided to answer the following questions from outside point of view.

>My apologies in advance, but, since it was your decision to brandish
>count's name -- is count Tolstoy a friend of your family

Yes, he is becoming.

>and is he providing spiritual guidance to your spouse? 

In some sense.

>Or did you ask the count to be a mere stand-in at the ceremony? 

Quite opposite  :-) - it was counts initiative and being very energetic 
and eloquent he was able to persuade Polina.

>and names and are you looking forward to any opportunity to drop them
>in public like you just did?

Here we are - "na vore shapka gorit". was this question only reason
for you to replay? 
Anywqay, as I said I know Vadim (4 years at least) 
and I'd say he is the one of the last people 
whom I'd think as a snob.
And he had more opportunities than you may think (demos, coup, relcom, etc...)
It may be a great fact for you to know person with title (and my 
sincere apologies if - hopefully - I'm wrong) and "drop the name"
but for Vadim (IMHO) it's one more or less interesting person around.
Probably less - not an algorithm and not a computer and not a programmer, 
at least :-)

>What does the count has to say about this or does he know?

Definitely, he knows whom he baptised :-) (sp?). And I hope Polina would
ask him what he has to say and post his reply.

>Again, my apologies in advance.

Oh, yes - hit in the face and say sorry - what can be better?

>Alex

PS. you know - counts are people also - and they like to know
interesting peoples. So it's hard to say what was first - egg or hen.

	-igor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:46:32 GMT

Please excuse me for not using proper quotation etiquette, but I am
very clumsy with editors.

About this letter of Shafarevich in  <95320@bu.edu> (correct?):
I still can't understand if he is really antisemitic.

I have a friend who is a Jewish physicist who was trying to
help a Palestinian physicist whom he believed to be unfairly
treated by the Israel government.
For this he was denounced by many as an antisemite.
From the letter quoted above, I cannot tell whether this Shafarevich
is a certifiably vile human being, or someone who has tried
to express something in the wrong way which might have been
acceptable had it been expressed in the right way.

I am confused because last week a friend from Russia was reading
Shafarevich's book and said there was nothing antisemitic in it.

Of course, I feel hurt by some things that I call "sexist" that don't
bother most men. And this Russian friend is not Jewish, so probably
he's not the best one to trust for that assessment, since antisemitism
is not a direct personal threat to him.
-patricia@cco.caltech.edu
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Armand, Newspeak, GPU
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:08:26 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> From: "Mikhail S. Verbitsky"

> Armand Hammer remained to be a friend of Soviet Union till his death...
> He got a real profit on export of a resources from Soviets and...
                                    ~~~~~~~~~~~
> got much of Russian art objects in 30-ies for less than bargain prices...

Beautiful Newspeak for `dealing stolen property'. Orwell would have
appreciated the ingenious usage of the indefinite article.

> when he died and perestroyka started there were published
> a lot of evidence that he was an agent of KGB ...
> I don't think this is known in West yet :)

It certainly is. [The] West is not _that_ dumb yet.
Quoting from the New American magazine (1992, a spring issue):

" ...showed him, for example, to have acted as a courier during the `20es,
" traveling from Moscow to America with $34,000 from Comintern to help
" establish the U.S.Communist Party.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:6916 talk.politics.soviet:7389
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: need accronym help
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:22:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <17gnt2INNkk3@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
#In article <1992Aug26.131020.1259@guvax.georgetown.edu> mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:

#>TOO "FAL'KON"

#??? I'm not sure, but it can stand for "Tovarno-Optovoye Ob'yedinenie"
#(a kinda of retail union -- can't find an appropriate English term).

 It's vice versa. "Optovoye" means wholesale, when "retail" - means
 "roznichnyi".

#--vadim

S.B.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Fedyunkin refutes
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:10:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <AA4Bleg406@sovet.cntc.dubna.su> fed@sovet.cntc.dubna.su writes:
>>
>>            S O V O K   I N T E R N A T I O N A L
>>             I n f o r m a t i o n   A g e n c y
>>                  editor-in-chief E.Lebedev

>     This interview is mystification.
>     I didn't give the interview.
>     E-mail ...@sovok.cntc.dubna.su doesn't exist.

>             E.Fedyunkin     fed@sovet.cntc.dubna.su

  There were no doubts about it. The jerk (Lebedev - is that real?)
 just made me sick. Using Russian grammar, latin alphabet and some
 english words he attepmted to make fun out of people. 
 BTW, return path of his junk looks real. 

 S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Currency exchange in Moscow
Keywords: Money
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:15:43 GMT

Greetings,

   I have a friend who is traveling to Moscow.  Could someone please advise me how
to change currency there?  I don't want the "official" rate for American dollars,
but rather the "true" rate.  Also, what things should one watch out for, i.e.
dangerous dealers, unscrupulous (sic) people, et cetera?  Please feel free to
post me e-mail.  Thank you!


					Bohdan





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From: TFFREEBA@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: (none)
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Dr. Fredland,
You have probably heard from him already, but if not try John Harlan
at JBHARLAN@INDYVAX.  He is an expert in things xSU as far as computer
net stuff goes.  I am a journalism student at IUPUI and John has been
very helpful with a story I was trying to dig out of that part of the
world.
Thomas Freebairn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: kardanev@hanoi.cern.ch (A. Kardanev)
Subject: Re: Cyrillic via net
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics
	<185l01INNkkc@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:15:45 GMT


>This is not quite true, as as far as I remember KOI-7 standard includes
>switch characters: ^N and ^O to switch between Cyrillic and Latin alphabets.
>At least Soviet TTY's supported this. Actally, I think these two characters
>are even part of ASCII standard, called Shift In and Shift Out, and intended
>exactly gor same purpose: switching between main and alternative fonts.
>
>Yury
You are not correct, unfortunatly. KOI7 - is usual 7-bit coding
standart (very old, of course) wich contains only big russian and
latin letters. (russian letters placed on the place of little latin).
And as far as I know switch characters like ^n and ^o comes from:
1. demos V1
2. from EWM like DWK1, DWK2, and terminal Electronika-B15.
At least 5 years expirience with they and another dumb-type terminals
with KOI7 coding give me some rights to say this.
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From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  Kommunism in St.Petersburg
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:38:35 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Didn't you know? Burzhui is in love with Comminism,
>as long as it is profitable for him.


Oni nam pgodadut vegevku, na kotogoj my ix povesim.

Volodechka
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:47:02 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

>>Subject: Shafarevich's letter

> At the
>>same time there is a detailed argument showing that these
>>tendencies do not include the entire Jewish nation.  In
>          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>>particular there are citations of authors of Jewish ancestry who
>>also criticize these tendencies.             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shafarevich is right. Some Jew-haters come from Jewish ancestry. For
example, Bobby Fischer, ARF (;_)), the idiot that used to irritate this
newsgroup a couple of years ago, etc. 

Look, Shafarevich is a paranoid individual. The only problem is that too
many people pay too much attention to this ill person.

Vlad

Employer disagrees
From: jsh@controls.ccd.harris.com (Joe Hoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Stenka Razin
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:20:43 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions


I recently bought a CD or Russian folk songs (at least I THINK they're folk
songs) called Midnight in Moscow.  One of the arrangements in their is called
Stenka Razin. I remember one of my Russian professors (that is, professors of
Russian :^)) used to make us sing, in class, this Stenka Razin song.  I loved it.
I can't remember any of the words, but the gist of the story, if I remember
correctly, was the Stenka took a bride and his fellow Cossacks got a little
jealous.  Stenka took a direct approach in solving his problem by throwing his
new brides butt into the Volga. :).

Unfortunately, the Russian on the CD is almost unintelligibel to me.  I can pick
out a line here and there, but am missing most of the good stuff.  Does anyone
out there happen to know the words to this song or know where I could find them?

If you have the lyrics, please post them.  I think alot of people would enjoy
them.  If you know where to get them, email me and I'll forward the information
to those who ask.

For those interested in the CD itself, it's published by Polygram Records.  All
arrangements are sung by the Don Cossack Choir.

Thanks 

Joe Hoff