HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Homebuilders in the DFW area
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:40:48 GMT

>In article <1992Nov3.200711.5653@mksol.dseg.ti.com> joel@dseg.ti.com writes:
>>My wife and I are looking at having a house built in the northern part
>>of Dallas, i.e., Allen, Frisco, etc. There are a lot of seemingly good
>>homebuilders, but I wanted to get everyone's reaction on who to avoid,
>>etc.
>>

I just moved into a new home in Mesquite built by Stone Mill Homes.  They are a
newly formed arm of Ashton Woods (a custom builder in Plano) and I think their
parent is Gulf Coast Homes.  Anyway, I am very pleased with the quality of work
that went into our home.  The construction supervisor for the Mesquite site was
very conscientious and a stickler for details.  While the subs on a lot of
sites may try to get away with substandard work, the builder is still reponsible for
making sure they do the job right.  I am very impressed with Stone Mill and
would highly recommend their homes.  I know they have subdivisions in Plano and
North Dallas, don't know of anything furhter north.  Although prices in Plano
are unreasonable in my estimation, the exact same 2650 sq.ft. house that I
bought in Mesquite on 1/3 acre, goes for $50,000 more in Plano, but you don't
have much to mow. 

Here's some advice, when talking to the builders, talk with the construction
supervisor, this guy is responsible for making sure all the work is done right.
If the supervisor won't show you any interest now, you can damn well bet he
won't give a sh$t how your house turns out.  Go to another builder.  Once you
get started, make sure and inspect the progress every day, write everything
down that you may have questions about ASK them.  While a good supervisor will
take the care to make sure everything is done right, they typically have
several other houses to deal with and may not remember all the special details
that you may have requested for YOUR house.  The key is to stay on top of
things and build a good working relationship with the super, you'll be dealing
with him for several months.  

Good Luck

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
******************************************************************************

Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>>>>>> Homebuilders: good/bad?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:30:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>  2) If you build - babysit the process all the way thru if you can.  The
>     builder hires contractors - and some of those contractors try to get
>     away with some of the strangest crap you can imagine.  If you're out
>     there every day, I think you chances of catching a problem early are
>     much better.

This is very good advice.  We are currently in the process of building 
our home with US Homes and there are many mistakes made.  Fortunately, 
we've caught most of the problems while they were still fixable; however,
we've had pipes for the water heater in the wrong place and walls forgotten
about.  If we had not caught the mistakes early then the problems may not 
have been fixed correctly.  Currently, our house is framed and roofed. 

The onsite supervisor usually has 3-4 houses going up simultaneously. They
spend much of their time pricing for the next task and not verifying the
last task.   Many times, they are fresh out of school with a degree in 
architecture or interior design. 

Also, we have had minor "nickel and dime" arguments with the management
of US Homes.  For example, we did architectural changes to the house.
They rewrote the blueprint several times; however, the last mistake 
caught was with that the driveway was on the wrong side of the house
and the whole house needed to flipped/inverted.  They decided not to 
change the blueprint but to make the change on site.  Hence, this is the
explanation for some of the mistakes.  After all, many of the contractors
have only one person who can speak English on site.  Asking them to 
do a linear transformation of the frame is miraclous. In fact, the contractors
had been working with some older prints before our architectural change.  
US Homes has honored the fixes but  it is a hassle.  

Personally, buying new is not good for everyone.   My wife is an architect
and so she can anticipate problems beforehand. You should not try building
a new house unless you have someone with a strong background in building or 
you spend top dollar on the builder. Buying a 3-5 year old house is probably 
the way to go because you can see all of the problems and not know the hassle.

Thank you. 


						Steve Simmons
From: pisser@elecafe (Pisser)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Austin surogate activities
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 02:31:05 CST
Organization: Electric Cafe BBS - Denton, Texas

schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:

>   I'm new here from Austin and would like to find some of those wierd/eclecti
> goings on that I found in Austin. The sort of stuff that gets posted on small
> bill boards.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 

There are plenty of gangs in Dallas... You might hang out at Dallas Alley 
and see if you can get into any.  heh heh...

Pisser
Newsgroups: dfw.general,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: TBA: a November calender for you..
Summary: TBA wants to be your *best* friend 
Keywords: TBA fetus show ige age yage 
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Distribution: dfw
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:49:26 GMT

TBA's Calendar oF Events for NoVember: 


Tuesday, November 10  - Breakers (FM407 in lewisville)
			TBA participates in a talent contest
			8:30pm

Saturday, November 14 - Rock and Roll revolution Deep ellum
	 		(main and good latimer)
			9:00pm


email me for more info.  or to be included or (To Be Appended) to the
TBA E-mailing list...!
-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents 
Newsgroups: dfw.test
From: pravata@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (Todd Pravata)
Subject: Testing
Organization: Texas Instruments 
Distribution: dfw
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:08:48 GMT

This is a test.
Newsgroups: dfw.test
From: toma@swsrv1.cirr.com (Tom Armistead)
Subject: Testing...
Organization: Software Services; Garland, Tx
Distribution: dfw
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:49:12 GMT

Well - did I pass???
-- 
Tom Armistead            | 2918 Dukeswood Dr.     | Garland, Tx.  75040
toma@swsrv1.cirr.com     | ...!egsner!swsrv1!toma | ...!void!swsrv1!toma
toma@swsrv1.LoneStar.org | ============ THIS SPACE FOR RENT ============
Newsgroups: dfw.eats
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: R-Review: Don Pedro's
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Distribution: dfw
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:49:29 GMT


I just got back from a lunch at Don Pedro's restruant...

man, it was TERRIBle...  I will never eat there again...
if you like mexican food, you will hate it after this....

1) when I walked in, I was told "we aren't accepting applications until
   2pm"

2) received chips and hot sauce at my table.. chips were fine.. hot sauce
   tasted TOO italian!!

3) Poblano pepper for chile reno instead of aniheim.. so I ordered CHEESE
   nachos... when they came out I looked at them and thought, him not bad
   but when I started to pull them apart I noticed it was AMERICAN CHEESE/
   VELVETA... SICK!

Pluses:  Free refills on drinks, chips and hot sauce...

Minuses:  Expensive, shitty mexican music, non smoking section in the same
          room as the smoking section (I smell like smoke), nice floor tile
          on top of the table (off the floor effect), waiter wore an earing,
          smiling cashierist had no teeth, no bonus buy specials...

Price on tab:         
Pepsi  --> 1.00
Nachos --> 2.65
tax         .33  
           ---- 
           4.98

Price charged: 4.99  should have gone to Ying's china...
 
-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents 
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: murr@esd.dl.nec.com (Steve Murr)
Subject: Speakers for sale 
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:26:01 GMT

Bose 901 speakers excellent condition with equilizer.

$650.00 for the pair (o.b.o)

214-436-2052    Lewisville

Ask for Ron or leave message.


Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: arundale@bnr.ca (Donna Arundale)
Subject: 1990 LeBaron Convertible
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:49:30 GMT

'90 LeBaron Convertible for sale.
Black Cherry paint and burgundy interior.  Cassette, power windows 
and top, extended warranty.  47K miles.

Very clean.

Asking $10,000.

Call Peggy or Bill at 475-2011.  (Lake Ray Hubbard area)


Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: kurt@ods.com (Kurt Taylor)
Subject: Cellular Phone
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:17 GMT


These are posted for a friend.  Please respond to him at the number below,
or if you have to, I will pass queries along to him.

For Sale:

  Cellular Phone:

    Motorola 8000H hand held cellular carphone with
       charger and 35db extended range antenna
       (you don't have to sign a time service agreement
       because you own it)                                 $150.00


Call -> (214) 732-1345


OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S    
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Disclaimer type thing. Blah. Blah. Blah.
-- 
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S    
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale,tx.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: gondhale@utdallas.edu (Parag Gondhalekar)
Subject: Turbo C++ 3.0 for sale
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:48:34 GMT


I have an unopened copy of Turbo C++ 3.0 ( 3.5 inch diskettes, manual, 
warranty all in the original box ). I guess Borland offers this as $99
upgrade if you already own prior version of Turbo/Borland C/C++. I have 
absolute no use of this thing and will consider any serious offer over
$40. Please e-mail or call (leave message if I don't answer ). Thanks!


Parag

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parag Gondhalekar,Northern Telecom Inc, Independent Contractor, Private Networks
Work: (214)-NTI-5836, 2221 Lakeside, MS C0608, Richardson, TX 75083 
Internet: [gondhale@utdallas.edu] OR [dajbd01@nt.com]
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Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: mo@sdf.lonestar.org (Mohit Goyal)
Subject: Lets trade computers!
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Distribution: dfw
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:15:02 GMT

I have the following computers:

Two XT's:
640k ram
desktop case
cga monitor
cga video card
i/o card
2 360k disc drives
20meg MFM hard drive
84 key XT keyboard

I want to trade both of them for *1* computer.

These are what I'm looking for:
14" VGA monitor
vga card with 640X480w/256colors
80meg or larger hd
1.44fd
1.2fd

I might be willing to give some $$$ too...

please reply if you are interested in trying to work something out.

Newsgroups: dfw.forsale,tamu.forsale.tx.forsale
From: mlm7395@rigel.tamu.edu 
Subject: computer for sale
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:16:00 GMT



For Sale:

   1 Tandy Color Computer 3
   1 Tandy Color Computer 1
   1 CM-5 RGB Color monitor
   1 Color Computer Disk Drive
   1 DMP-110 Dot Matrix printer
   2 Color Computer Direct connect modems

   Misc. other stuff including joysticks, a
   digitizer tablet, OS-9 Level II, many
   other disks, manuals, books, magazines,
   etc...

   Buy some or all, make me an offer!  Respond
   to:

      edsr!plaf001!rjones@uunet.UU.NET

Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: tlie@sdf.lonestar.org (Tjeng-Bo Lie)
Subject: Sorry, another repost...  (I'm having trouble with ed)
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Distribution: dfw
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:48:48 GMT




This is a repost...  I'm selling a used Macintosh II 8/80 and/or a brand-new-
in-the-box Macintosh IIfx 4/0 CPU only. 

Here's the specs:

Apple Macintosh II (68020, 68881, PMMU, 16MHz)
  2 800K floppy drives
  8 meg RAM
  80 meg Quantum HD
  Orchid MacSprint CACHE card (upgrade to Mac IIx level performance)

Apple Macintosh IIfx (68030, 68882, 40MHz)
  1 1.44 meg floppy drive
  4 meg RAM
  no HD

Asking $1,700.00 for the Mac II and $2,700.00 for the Mac IIfx.


Call Tjeng (that's pronounced CHANG) at work (214) 497-8105 or home (214)
517-0916 to make your best offer!  So far I've got $2,000.00 for the Mac
IIfx and no offer for the Mac II.

=-Tjeng-Bo-Lie->
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: kurt@ods.com (Kurt Taylor)
Subject: Scuba Equipment
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:03:55 GMT


These are posted for a friend.  Please respond to him at the number below,
or if you have to, I will pass queries along to him.


For Sale:

  Like-new scuba equipment:

    U.S. Diver's Bladderless BCD, size Large               $100.00

    Regulator:
       Dacor 960 1st stage,
       XLP Dacor Pacer 2nd stage,
       XLB Pacer Octopus,
       Suunto SM-14 SPG,
       High pressure hose for power inflator               $300.00

    DeepSee 6mm gloves, Fathom 3mm hood an Seaquest 3mm
       wetsuit, size XLarge                                $150.00

    Dacor 80 cubic foot aluminum tank                      $ 50.00

    Gear bag                                               $ 10.00


Call -> (214) 732-1345


OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S    
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Disclaimer type thing. Blah. Blah. Blah.
-- 
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S    
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: tlie@sdf.lonestar.org (Tjeng-Bo Lie)
Subject: Repost: Used Mac II ($1700), New Mac IIfx ($2700) for sale...
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Distribution: dfw
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:57:30 GMT


Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: kurt@ods.com (Kurt Taylor)
Subject: Musical Instruments
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:05:17 GMT


These are posted for a friend.  Please respond to him at the number below,
or if you have to, I will pass queries along to him.

For Sale:

  Musical Instruments:

    Aria SB-700 Bass Guitar with hardcase and stand
       (13 years old, in excellent condition)              $650.00

    Takamine S-349 Steel 6 string acoustic with hardcase
       and stand (11 years old, in excellent condition)    $250.00


Call -> (214) 732-1345


OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S    
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Disclaimer type thing. Blah. Blah. Blah.
-- 
OOOOOO DDDDD  SSSSSS    Kurt Taylor ----> kurt@istwok.ods.com
O    O D    D S         Optical Data Systems, Inc.
O    O D    D SSSSSS    1101 E. Arapaho Road, Richardson, TX 75081
O    O D    D      S
From: shinta@cs.utexas.edu (Shinta Tjio)
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
Subject: 88 Taurus FORSALE
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:55:22 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu

I am doing this for a friend of mine who doesn't have internet access. Please
DO NOT reply to me. It's going to be useless since I don't know anything
about this car.

*****************************************************************************

1988 Ford TAURUS V6, Automatic, 4-dr, gray-metalic, new AC, new tire and
in good condition. Asking for $4500.

Please call Chris (214) 618 7078 or leave message!


Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: yuanyin@utdallas.edu (YUANYIN  WU)
Subject: 2400 internal modem for $25
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: dfw
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:09:03 GMT

Since I upgraded to a Zoom 14,400 FaxModem, I have a Zoltrix  2400 baud
internal modem for sale, asking $25. It is 100% Hayes compatible.

It has been used for one year with no problem whatsoever. The current
jumper setting is for COM2 and there is explanation on the board on how
to set the jumpers. No docs.


-- 
Yuan-yin Wu      yuanyin@utdallas.edu  	Home phone (214)783-9141
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: alie@csl.dl.nec.com (Andrew Lie)
Subject: Re: Air Tickets: Dallas <==> Milwaukee
Organization: NEC America, C & C Software Development Lab
Distribution: dfw
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:31:04 GMT

|>    A pair of Dallas - Milwaukee round trip tickets:
|> 
|>      * Non-Stop
|>      * On American Airline
|>      * Leaving Dallas on Thursday (Nov. 26, 1992 8:07 am);
|>        Arriving in Milwaukee at 10:17 am (Flight # 2036).
|>      * Returning from Milwaukee on Monday (Nov. 30, 1992 at 6:24 pm);
|>        Arriving in Dallas at 8:45 pm (Flight #680).
|>      * Price: $260.00/ticket or $500.00 for both.
|> 
|>   ____________________________________________________________________________
|>  [							                      ]
|>  [  Andrew K. Lie                 *#*  (( Any opinions expressed are mine. )) ]
|>  [  alie@asl.dl.nec.com          ("=") (( They do not represent the views  )) ]
|>  [                                =*=  (( of my employer, NEC America, Inc.)) ]
|>  [____________________________________________________________________________]     
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: htnguyen@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: ===> 486sx For Sale - CHEAP <====
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:57:47 GMT

FOR SALE:

486SX with 2 Meg RAM, 5.25 and 3.5 Floppy Disk Drives
VGA Controller
Hard Drive/Floppy Drive Interface
Extended Keyboard

Asking $800. OBO.

Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: wday@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Cheap EGA card/monitor wanted
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:03:20 GMT

Wanted:

Super inexpensive EGA card/monitor combination for old XT-clone... as cheap
as possible!

Email me with details, please.

Wayne
    -----------------------------
      Wayne Day
                WDay@unt.edu
                76703.376@CompuServe.Com
    -----------------------------

Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: arundale@crchh575.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Aziz Meghani)
Subject: 1990 LeBaron Convertible
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 22:45:25 GMT

'90 LeBaron Convertible for sale.
Black Cherry paint and burgundy interior.  Cassette, power windows 
and top, extended warranty.  47K miles.

Very clean.

Asking $10,000.

Call Peggy or Bill at 475-2011.  (Lake Ray Hubbard area)
From: operator@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
Subject: 1970 CHEVELLE SS396
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:17:58 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 


1970 CHEVELLE SS 396 for sale.
4-speed 
331 positrac rear end 
shadow gray with black stripes and black interior


(817) 965-2059  ...  SUNDAYS AND MONDAYS ONLY.
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
From: herling@crchh111.bnr.ca (Brent Herling)
Subject: 1968 CAMERO CONV. 4-sale 
Keywords: CAMERO
Reply-To: herling@crchh111.bnr.ca (Brent Herling)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:55:48 GMT

    _________________________________________________________________________
   | 
   |   1968 Camero Convertable 
   |
   |   * Original condition !!!
   |   * 2nd owner
   |   * Less than 100K miles
   |   * Only 3213 made like this one (fewest of this year)
   |   * Strait 6 cylinder, (runs fine & EASY to work on )
   |   * Rebuilt Carb, New Battery
   |   * NEW COMPLETE BRAKE SYSTEM
   |   * 2 new tires, ballance, allignment
   |   * been in family for about 12 years
   |   * RUNS, DRIVES, INSPECTED and TAGGED     
   |   * NEVER RACED
   |   * INTERIOR IN NICE SHAPE including new carpet
   |   * Needs top and quaterpannel repair (all parts availabe to repair)
   |   =====> $3000 neg.    days (214)684-7207     6pm-10:30pm 826-4321
   |_________________________________________________________________________ 

Newsgroups: dfw.news
From: eric@egsner.cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen)
Subject: connections dying at egsner.
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Distribution: dfw
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:53:18 GMT

egsner has had problems connecting with the following sites recently.
There has been traffic queued for them for over eighteen days, and
egsner has been unable to connect with them, and they have not contacted
egsner.

	deltos      1C(18)         11/05-06:32 LOGIN FAILED  Count: 37
	foxtlcm     1C(18)         11/05-17:03 LOGIN FAILED  Count: 135
	gtenext1    1C(18)         11/05-22:15 WRONG TIME TO CALL 
	incon       1C(18)         11/05-22:13 CALLER SCRIPT FAILED  Count: 136
	lodestar    3C(18)         11/05-18:03 LOGIN FAILED  Count: 851
	niteowl     1C(18)         11/05-22:15 WRONG TIME TO CALL 
	pandora     1C(18)         11/05-16:23 WRONG TIME TO CALL 

Unless I hear otherwise, I'll be removing the these sites from egsner's
System files during Thanksgiving.  I can be reached via email as
schnoebe@convex.com, or as eric@cirr.com.  I can also be reached by
phone at 214.497.4865.

-- 
Eric Schnoebelen		eric@cirr.com		schnoebe@convex.com
You couldn't even prove the White House staff sane beyond a reasonable doubt.
		-- Ed Meese, on the Hinckley verdict
Newsgroups: dfw.news.stats