From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.182225.1768@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.024702.28703@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>In article <BzML6w.Hxw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>>	Early on, lesse--it must have been 13 or 14 for me--most
>>	men learn to li --*always*--to women about certain subjects.
>
>really?


	You don't think so?  Every other man in my "social group" 
	(which varies from school to home to friends to whatever) 
	is quite fluent in the art of social lying.  In fact, most
	men are so trained that they aren't even *aware* that they're
	doing it, unless you point it out to them.  When I had it 
	pointed out to me ("I can't believe you said that you liked
	that" or "I can't believe you actually said that" or "You 
	told me last night that you ... so why did you say .. to her?") 
	I started watching.  Hell, it's ingrained by the time you're
	out of your teens.

	<and it's learned--you learn it by trial and error.  Women
	*encourage* this behavior--and I'm sure it goes the other direction,
	too.>


>>	2) Women (people, actually) who pose such questions as 
>>	 "How old do I _really_ look?" are *begging* to be lied
>>	to.  Truth is not expected.  Just try answering one of these
>>	nitwits honestly and see what kind of answer you get.
>
>what about when others ask how old you are, rather than teling you
>how old you look?


	Same thing.  Loaded question, 
	
	"How old are you, anyway?"
 
	"23."
 
	"My god, I thought you were (older or younger with some absurd
	guess at age).  You don't seem to be 23!  So much more (vibrant or
	mature)."

>>	Fact is, people DO, with *very few exceptions* (supermodels
>>	come to mind) look their age.  Anyone who tells you otherwise,
>>	carefully consider (that is, honestly consider) how honest
>>	that statement is.
>
>You are forgetting movie stars, who spend a great deal of time, effort,
>and money on maintaining their appearance. With the possible exceptions
>of Columbo and Roxanne that is. :^)


	Most movie stars don't look so hot out of makeup/offscreen.
	

>>	The same occurs for men.  It is well known that
>>	appearance has a great deal of affect on how well one
>>	succeeds in life.  It's not a discrimination thing, it's
>>	a human thing.  As far as I can tell, the only way to 
>>	solve it would be to put everyones eyes out at birth.
>>	
>>	We judge *everything* by appearance--not just people.  Most
>>	people eat attractively prepared food despite the fact that
>
>How does one get judged on the net, by the appearance of the text?


	Ah, the not-so-great equalizer.  You're making the proposition
	that my point is wrong by proposing a situation where a key 
	part of my point (appearance) is not available.  Sorry, 
	not good enough.
 
	To begin with, consider how you react to poorly formatted
	orpoorly written (spelling, word use, whatever) articles.


>Rich
>payner@netcom.com


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