From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp
Subject: Re: SRUN: Heavy weapons as sidearms
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:17:25 GMT
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In-reply-to: adr9510@sigma.tamu.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 20:26:00 GMT
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>>>>> On 10 Apr 92 20:26:00 GMT, adr9510@sigma.tamu.edu (Trapped in Aggieland) said:

adr9510> [Holdout pistol example deleted]

>In other words, you grazed your target.

adr9510> No, a graze implies you malmost missed: i. In this case the
adr9510> target just sucked it up.

Exqueeze me? A graze implies nothing, it definitely means that you hit the
target, if barely, and did nothing meaningful. Grazes cover everything from
a tiny nick on the ear to shooting off someone's little toe. Sure, it may
hurt like hell, but it won't really seriously impair them.

>light pistols
>really aren't all that effective even in the real world. And this is the
>cinematic world of Shadowrun.

adr9510> I have yet to meet a man who will take *no damage* when shot by
adr9510> *anything* at 2 metres range. (Trust me, they HURT if nothing
adr9510> else).

I agree. However, Shadowrun has a very compressed damage scale combined
with a cinematic combat system, which results in grazes being mostly
meaningless annoyances. I never claimed it was realistic.

You want realism? Play TimeLords and its companions from BTRC.

>Let's try the same test with an assault cannon, as I suggested in my
>original article (which was cleverly omitted):

adr9510> [assault cannon deletia]

>The ``person'' is now a bloody smear on the far wall.

adr9510> If you have to get a weapon as big as an *assault cannon* to kill
adr9510> something then you're doing it wrong. Think about why they call it
adr9510> *shadow* run sometime.

<Sigh.> See what happens when I get quoted out of context? The assault
cannon example was deliberately gross. My original posting on the thread
was about how anyone who carries assault cannon around are going to be
targeted for arrest/termination by LoneStar and every other law enforcement
type for miles. I then proceded to expound upon the virtues of the Beretta
93R and H&K MP-TX.

And then it degenerated into this. Yeesh.

Peronsally, I like medium caliber (9mm) machine pistols. Small, deadly, and
you can fit a sound supressor on them quite easilly.

--Rat
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