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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: mksol.1992Aug19.185634.28448
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1564@anagld.analytics.com> sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn) writes:

>mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>>I've installed bigger things than NT from floppies.  Also from TAPE
>>(which I think is a more reasonable choice, personally -- at least a
>>tape is useful to me for backing things up when I'm not spending time
>>reinstalling NT.

>>Has anyone noticed how all the people making excuses for this policy
>>are from Microsoft?

>Which is easier to manufacture?  Tape or CD?  Which is cheaper to distribute?

Yes, it is quite nice FOR THE SELLER.  But then, I'm not the seller.
I'm the CUSTOMER.  Remember us, Microsoft?  We're the folks who buy
your products.  Or don't.

>I, for one, like the idea of NT on CD-ROM.  It's a no-brainer to  install from,
>it's a nice addition to the system to have to access the other CD-ROMs on the
>market, and I can use it to listen to music while I program.  Can a tape do
>that?

Well, I wasn't aware that the ability to listen to music on your
computer hardware was supposed to be part of the modern software
development environment.  Silly me.  I thought the idea was to DEVELOP
SOFTWARE. 

Yeah, CD-ROM is wonderful IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE.  I don't need one
for anything else, and can't see spending the money on one just so I
can install a few picky pieces of software that don't come any other
way and listen to music while I work (I already have a stereo system
in the office with my machine).

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From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:15:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Aug19.193119.680@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Or even try to write a ROM program cartridge for the TI99/4A. :-)
>
>Quite right.  I consider that to have been one of the reasons that
>that system didn't make it on the market.  Of course, that's not the
>part of the company I'm in.

Nintendo is based solely on read-only "mass storage" (if you can call the
cartridges storage)--but I daresay, the NES is more popular in my neighborhood
than any other "computer" on the market.  In other words, just because you
can't write to it, doesn't mean it isn't useful.


>I write user-friendly software -- that kills people.

Handling 300 floppies is user friendly?  :)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: craigdo@microsoft.com (Craig Dowell)
Subject: Re: Disclaimer
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:09:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug14.072550.25951@sequent.com> furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.182541.16985@microsoft.com> craigdo@microsoft.com (Craig Dowell) writes:
>>>Neither the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering
>>>Laboratory or any of their employees, makes any warranty, whatsoever,
>>>implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility regarding any
>>>information, disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe
>>>privately owned rights.  No specific reference constitutes or implies
>>>endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States
>>>Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.  The views and
>>>opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the
>>>United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
>>>and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
>>
>>Yeah, right. :-)
>>
>
>Cut him some slack...

Hey!  You know that little symbol after my comment, the :-) thing?  That
indicates humor!

I guess you haven't been following the tendency for everybody to add
"Yeah, right." after disclaimers in responses to posts in this group.
I though it would be funny to add this comment after a real-live
$100,000 lawyer written disclaimer.

Jeez, talk about humor-impaired. 

>The Government legal beagles force this innocuous piece of tripe
>onto the net to cover their legal backsides. Frankly it keeps them
>employed, and I would rather the Government keep lawyers employed
>than Apple...

No!  You've got to be kidding.  :^O ;^)  <- Smiley with modifier.

-- Craig

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Craig Dowell makes no warranty, whatsoever, implied, or assumes any
legal liability or responsibility regarding any information, disclosed, 
or represents that its use would not infringe any owned rights, private
or otherwise.  No specific reference constitutes or implies
endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by Craig Dowell.  The views
and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of
Craig Dowell and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement
purposes.  No specific reference constitutes or implies pretty much
anything.  Craig Dowell makes no warranty, whatsoever, implied, or 
assumes any legal liability or responsibility that humor-impaired
bozos will understand the sophisticated, and highly intelligent 
commentary in which Craig Dowell engages.  Although he should be viewed
as a god and his views cast in bronze as a beacon to light the path
of reason throughout the ages, Craig Dowell makes no warranty that his
views have enough candlepower. In fact, Craig Dowell will usually have
a lie-down instead of responding.  Of, course, this entire disclaimer
is null and void.  *Yawn*  I think I'll have a lie-down, now.

Yeah, right.
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Subject: Re: Disclaimer
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.182541.16985@microsoft.com> craigdo@microsoft.com (Craig Dowell) writes:
>>Neither the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering
>>Laboratory or any of their employees, makes any warranty, whatsoever,
>>implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility regarding any
>>information, disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe
>>privately owned rights.  No specific reference constitutes or implies
>>endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States
>>Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.  The views and
>>opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the
>>United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
>>and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
>
>Yeah, right. :-)
>

Cut him some slack...

The Government legal beagles force this innocuous piece of tripe
onto the net to cover their legal backsides. Frankly it keeps them
employed, and I would rather the Government keep lawyers employed
than Apple...

Correction, Shakepeare was right...


...Paul

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:31:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug18.203053.13759@nosc.mil> discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
>But that doesn't stop you from buying audio CD's, does it?

But with audio stuff, I still have the option to buy cassette tapes
and (for older works from some stores) records.
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From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:39:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: anagld.1573
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>Well, I wasn't aware that the ability to listen to music on your
>computer hardware was supposed to be part of the modern software
>development environment.  Silly me.

Actually, it is.  Along with 14-16 hour days, weekends and getting modern
hardware to develop modern software.

>-- 
>"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
> in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden

Remember Challenger.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: potts@itl.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.200236.17403@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>
>[And NT can't take a full CD-ROM (660 MB), either, unless MS is
>*GROSSLY* lying about how large a hard disk someone should have to
>install it.  The only stuff it seems to make sense to me to have a
>CD-ROM for is stuff that has like 500 MB of clip art.]
>

Urgh. No, it doesn't. The CD that we got was not just NT - it was the
developer kit. Wads of sample code. The compiler, class libraries, all
the libraries (dozens of megabytes). On-line docs. The market for the
CD is *developers*. 

By comparison, how big is MacApp, MPW, and the support files?  How big
is NeXTStep and the support files? These packages aren't being
distributed on floppies anymore. If you get a whole UNIX package with
development tools (unless is is something like Coherent) it generally
doesn't come on floppies. CD-ROM was what Microsoft chose to get that
massive wad of material out to developers who wanted it. 

>
>I really don't like it.  I don't like it enough so that I won't buy
>this product.  Not to mention that none of the people I know have felt
>any great need to waste money on a CD-ROM, either; all of Microsoft's
>hype about 'multimedia' notwithstanding.

Well, there are many out there who would disagree about the
usefulness and value of CD-ROM, myself included. Yes, they are for
distribution of multimedia, but not just that. 
>
>As for calling you in the morning, no need to worry about that.  Does
>Microsoft have a training class where they teach people to be arrogant
>and overbearing, or is it something in the selection process when they
>hire you?
>

Geez. Can you two take this off-line?

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:47:26 GMT

In <1992Aug17.231650.22852@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:

>fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
>: [And NT can't take a full CD-ROM (660 MB), either, unless MS is
>: *GROSSLY* lying about how large a hard disk someone should have to
>: install it.  The only stuff it seems to make sense to me to have a
>: CD-ROM for is stuff that has like 500 MB of clip art.]

>As soon as the cost of the floppies exceeds <cost of CD master>+$3.00/per
>copy , then it makes sense to use CD-ROM.

Let's be explicit about this.  It makes sense FROM THE MICROSOFT END,
if there is no regard for the USER (you remember him -- the guy who
buys the stuff?).

>: I really don't like it.  I don't like it enough so that I won't buy
>: this product.  Not to mention that none of the people I know have felt
>: any great need to waste money on a CD-ROM, either; all of Microsoft's
>: hype about 'multimedia' notwithstanding.

>But for a software developer, getting a PC with a CD-ROM isn't a
>deterrant.  Especially in light of the Windows NT hype.

Well, I'm sitting in a building full of software developers, and
there's nary a CD-ROM in sight.  As a software developer, fast
machiens with lots of memory and big hard drives make sense.  Tapes
make sense.  A READ-ONLY mass storage media does NOT make sense from
my end of things; only from the Microsoft end.  

I think it's sad that Microsoft has lost sight of just who it is who
provides all that income.


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:23:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.162636.19288@nosc.mil> discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
>In article <mcdonald.208@aries.scs.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald) writes:
>>Now that I've got your atttention, let me note two points:
>>
>>1) The poster is from Microsoft
>
>So?  Your posting is from a .edu, does that make you a liberal?  :)  One 
>should judge a statement on it's merits without any bias or discrimination.

This is not good advice.  One should consider the sources of their
information before making decisions based on it.
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:21:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mksol.1992Aug19.202114.2971
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Aug18.205951.16233@terminator.cc.umich.edu> potts@itl.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.200236.17403@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>[And NT can't take a full CD-ROM (660 MB), either, unless MS is
>>*GROSSLY* lying about how large a hard disk someone should have to
>>install it.  The only stuff it seems to make sense to me to have a
>>CD-ROM for is stuff that has like 500 MB of clip art.]
>>

>Urgh. No, it doesn't. The CD that we got was not just NT - it was the
>developer kit. Wads of sample code. The compiler, class libraries, all
>the libraries (dozens of megabytes). On-line docs. The market for the
>CD is *developers*. 

Yes, I know that.  And they recommend what?  Something like 12 MB main
memory AND A 100 MB HARD DRIVE (give 50 MB or so).  Hence, there can't
be more than 100 MB or so on that CD.  Or you need a bigger hard drive
than they said.

>By comparison, how big is MacApp, MPW, and the support files?  How big
>is NeXTStep and the support files? These packages aren't being
>distributed on floppies anymore. If you get a whole UNIX package with
>development tools (unless is is something like Coherent) it generally
>doesn't come on floppies. CD-ROM was what Microsoft chose to get that
>massive wad of material out to developers who wanted it. 

*EVERY* UNIX package for the i386 architecture that I have seen has
the option to ship on floppies (except for Dell SysVR4).  These are
full-blown UNIX development systems, including full networking, X,
etc.  The Dell UNIX ships on QIC-150 tape and 4-mm DAT, both of which
are useful devices for backing up your system (and even so, I'm a bit
hacked off at not being able to get floppies).

>>
>>I really don't like it.  I don't like it enough so that I won't buy
>>this product.  Not to mention that none of the people I know have felt
>>any great need to waste money on a CD-ROM, either; all of Microsoft's
>>hype about 'multimedia' notwithstanding.

>Well, there are many out there who would disagree about the
>usefulness and value of CD-ROM, myself included. Yes, they are for
>distribution of multimedia, but not just that. 
>>
>>As for calling you in the morning, no need to worry about that.  Does
>>Microsoft have a training class where they teach people to be arrogant
>>and overbearing, or is it something in the selection process when they
>>hire you?
>>

>Geez. Can you two take this off-line?

Well, you didn't.

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From: kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some more misconceptions regarding OS/2 and NT
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:20:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <1992Aug18.165950.15128@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> In <vf0m=8+.timbol@netcom.com> timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
> 
>>Tapes deteriorate *much* faster than CD-ROMs.  Also, I suspect they
>>are more expensive to produce and are a bit more fragile.  (How many
>>times has your CD player eaten one of your CDs?)
> 
> I've never seen a computer cassette drive eat a tape, either.

As far as tapes go, I've seen plenty of them get mangled.  Including 9-Track,
TK50 and 8mm.

In this debate over CDROM vs. other forms of media, if someone is willing to
pay the extra costs for receiving large quantities of floppies then they should
be able to do so.  We get most of our software on CDROM here and it's been a
great time and space saver over receiving the same set of products on 9-track
media.  And the ability to easily demo a product or review the documentation
without having to purchase first is a valuable benefit.

I like being able to get things on CD ROM and we use it quite a bit.  When you
start having to install software 5, 10 or 20 times, being able to install from
CD is desirable.  For the home user, unless the ROM reader is going to serve
some other function it is ridiculous to force the purchase merely to install
one or two products on a somewhat infrequent basis.  

Right now I wouldn't dream of giving up the CD ROM at work, but I don't need
one at home yet.  I'll probably get one in the next year or so to gain access
to some of the clip art and other databases that are becoming available. 
Ideally I'll be able to afford one of the magneto-optic devices that can read
CD ROMs and allow me to write data too.  Sure would be a nice place to do my
backups!

Ken

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From: mitchell@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: Trident TVGA Windows 3.1 driver???
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:20:09 GMT
Organization: Network Computer Centre, Telecom, Perth

In article <1992Aug20.000327.3185@aa.cad.slb.com> braun@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Matthew Braun) writes:
>Does anyone out there have a video driver for a Trident TVGA 8900C Video
>Card?  I bought one of those cheap 1024x768 1 meg boards and of course
>it only came with Windows 3.0 drivers, which work, but is incredibly
>slow (it is like running win3.0, imagine that!).  I would really like to
>get an updated Windows 3.1 driver if it exists.
>
>Matthew.

Mathew, the following was posted in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives

:I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:
:
:pd1:<msdos.windows3>
:TVGAW31A.ZIP    Win 3.1 TRIDENT TVGA Drivers (part 1/2)
:TVGAW31B.ZIP    Win 3.1 TRIDENT TVGA Drivers (part 2/2)
:
:Downloaded from Trident's BBS.  Windows 3.1 drivers.  I split the
:original ZIP file into two ZIP files.  BOTH files are needed and should
:be unzip'ed onto a diskette which can be read by diskette drive A:.
:
:                MS Windows 3.1 TRIDENT TVGA Drivers
:                ===================================
:                   (Final Release 1.0  May, 92)
:
:Disk Contents
:-------------
:
:      README.TXT      --      This File
:      SUPERVGA.DRV    --      800x600 16-color
:      W1024.DRV       --      1024x768 16-color (512K required)
:      W1024F.DRV      --      1024x768 16-color Large Font (512K required)
:      T640.DRV        --      640x480 256-color (512K required)
:      T800-5.DRV      --      800x600 256-color (512K required)
:      T800.DRV        --      800x600 256-color (1024K required, faster)
:      T1024.DRV       --      1024x768 256-color (1024K required)
:      T1024F.DRV      --      1024x768 256-color Large Font (1024K required)
:
:  - The above drivers support TVGA8800, 8900, 8900C and 9000 if video mode
:    and memory is available.
:
:- -
:Kevin C. Routh                      Internet: krouth@etcs03.eld.ford.com

I have retrieved these files and they are a noticeable improvement over the
previous beta release drivers, particularly in speed but also in colour.

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From: mfprf@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Paul R. Falzer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Subject: Re: windows banner
Summary: "cnf" the banner
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:08:50 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
Organization: Educational Computing Network


This is an old subject, and it seems that there are a number of folk
remedies out there.  Here's mine: delete win.com, copy win.cnf from the
system sub-directory, then ren win.cnf to win.com.  Go forth.

You'll have to repeat this procedure every time you install a new driver.

Enjoy the darkness.

  Paul R. Falzer
    Internet: mfprf@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
    Bitnet:   mfprf@ecnuxa.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.misc