HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Silk valley has a "Kuai" tree?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.195815.28343@advtech.uswest.com> jiyang@wavelet (Jiyang Xu) writes:
>In article <BvvBEs.LxJ@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>Gui1: a non-metal element, symble Si, old name Xi1, ...
>>BTW: The writen form of Gui1 and Xi1 are different. 
>>Calling "Xi Gu" is ok but "Si Gu" will be somewhere has silk.
>>
>>The Xinhua Dictionary is on top of my desk. Anything you want find out?
>
>I really get annoyed by seeing so many Mainlanders accusing Taiwanese
>for not being able to spell Pin- Yin- "correctly".  Keep in mind they
>have not been taught Pin- Yin-; watch how many mainlanders cannot get
>their Pin- Yin- straight!

	The flame was ignited by Steve Lin who attacked the pronounciation
	"Qin Hui" with "Qin Kuai", and extended his attack to a wide ranges
	of the educations in mainland. See the posts before for detail.
	The dictionary was used to find the pronounciation.
	The PinYing was not the major issue in this flame.
	Most of spelling in PinYin from this gyu was not attacked except 
	this one which may mean either silk or death valley.
	We do observe the fact that many people from Taiwan did not learn
	PinYin. However, since we use Latin letters as a medium in 
	communication, PinYin is a useful tool to communicate Chinese.

>By the way, there have been some standardization effort made by Chinese
>government, "Gui-" and "Xi-" is just one example to unify different usage
>La-Ji- (trash, pronouced as Le`Se` in old days and still in Taiwan today)
>is another example. This is probably due to most people Du'Bai'Zi`, and
>then the authority decides to make it legal and standard.
>
>========================================================================
>Jiyang Xu                               /  /-\    \ __|__  -- ___
>U S WEST Advanced Technologies         // /---\   \  \_/   |/ | |
>4001 Discovery Drive                   /| --|--    | / \   |} |-|

	Gui1 is not a Bai2 Zi4 of Xi1. They have different shapes.
	There were used to have three elements called "Xi1": Si, Se and Sn.
	Si and Se are both non-metal semiconductors.
	Using Gui1 to replace Xi1 for Si helps avoid mixing-ups.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: 9201 people will be more active
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:53:26 GMT

In article <2AD934E4.18072@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>[...]
>	actually, this is not the end of this fight.  
>
>[...]
>
>	thank you for your advice.  but you should know that i do not buy the 
>	hammer head.  i am willing to play it on any possible ways.  if they
>	play dirty, and if they think they are only smart people in this 
>	world, then, watch.

  People know what tricks a xiao3 ren2 has.  Nothing but spreading malicious
  rumors behind people's back, like a jealous lao tai po next door.

>shannon
>
>PS: and you know how deeply i love those blood carders.
                                                ^^^^^^^ extra word by error.

-ping

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28180 soc.culture.hongkong:12763 soc.culture.taiwan:14547
From: matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- who do you hope wins the U.S. election?
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:22:47 GMT
Organization: Division of Computer Science, UC Davis

In article <Bw2quu.9wr@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:

>Netters please forgive my suspicion. But judging from Mr. Matloff's past
>behavior on SCT, I'd think twice before sending in my response.

For those who don't follow s.c.t. (or are new to it), here is what Mr. 
Chang is referring to as my "behavior."  I criticized the KMT's actions
which violate the people's right to free speech.  I criticized the KMT's
making political arrests, their monopoly of the electronic media, their
overturning the results of their own primary elections, and so on.  

My worst "sin" in this "bad behavior" was that I supported Taiwan
Independence.

"Bad behavior," Mr. Chang?  

   Norm

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Once Again, US Welcome You
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:22:09 GMT

In article <16216@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>
>    I don't need the "Protection Bill" personally, nor the similar bill in
>Canada.  But, as I have done on SCC all the time, I support any effort to
>cut CCP's leash on overseas Chinese, no matter what it is, Hu Na event (a
>female tennis player), the baby asylum case (victim/violator of China's
>one-child policy), the J-1 trap, or Chinese Nationals Protection Bill.
>
>    You have the right to pursue your freedom, with all the imperfections
>you may have.
>
I do agree with this opinion. People do have the right to pursue what
they want. I also think the term "blood card" is sort of cheap shot to
put all the burden on those people's shouders. I don't think CG wants to
distance itself with CSS by calling them getting the 'blood card'. I
also believe the students getting the green cards here will benefit
either China or CG for different reasons.

One netter mentioned about the CG's angry protest about the bill but I
hope this campaing is only for keeping the dignity instead of real lost.

......
>
>    Take the lesson of bloody 1989, for personal safety.  And history will
>forgive them.  Nobody would go to a prominent Chinese-American professor's
>70th birthday party and ask: "Did you take advantage of Chinese soldiers'
>sacrifice in Korea in 1950?"  Or "did you took advantage of McCarthy's
>anti-communism hysteria in US in the early '50s?"
>
Or shall we talk about the blood of Chinese during WW II. Only during
that time President Roosevelt let Chinese immigrate to US.

......

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Teaching in China:Info needed
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:28:25 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <BvtI9v.L14@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ranger)
says:
>
>I am looking for information that could help me find a job in China
>to teach english?  Does any one out there have info they could send me.
>I would like to thank you in advance.
>                          -Matthew-University of Illinois-
>
>--
>**************************************************************************
>**    " Life, Librerty, and the slight delay persuit of happiness."     **
>**                                             Matthew Wallace, 1988.   **
>**************************************************************************

 Most universities normally have to submit a budget to hire foreigners
 to fit teaching position. This budget, approved by different level
 bureau, may ended with nothing if they can't find the proper person.
 I suggest you contact the head of High Ed. Bureau of each province or
 city (upto where you would like to go). Send them letter and tell them
 brifely your education background, they will probably find the empty
 positions. good luck!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: swl@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Samuel Wai Kay LEUNG)
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:30:54 GMT

jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:

>Why do Singaporeans do the same? Many of them don't think themselves as Chinese.

Even I don't think THEY are chinese, most of them are only a sort of 
"RUNNING DOG" who like only to speak English and pretend not understanding
Chinese.   :(


Samuel
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:46:04 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <9210071802.AA07079@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>* But seriously, I always read things I write a few times before send it.
>                                                              sending
>* You may not be able to fix all the grammatic errors but mis-spell was easy
>                                     grammatical       misspellings are
>* to avoid. It is important to write and speak good english (or any language
>                                                    English
>* one use). Thanks to the guy who point it out first.
>      uses                        pointed  

Xiaofei, you are just great. Would you please make corrections like
this to every article I post? If you do, I will try to keep up with
posting. 

:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:11:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.202045.24111@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>Can you find any 'heart' in 'love' ? So, do you imply that 'love' shouldn't
>be 'love' at all simply because the 'heart' isn't there ?
>Although I do agree with you that the traditional Chinese characters do
>have some nice things and reasons about it. But, those were invented
>thousands years ago, if they don't fit well in the modern technology,
>such as computer system, what are you going to do ?
Change the "computer system". 8-) Seriouly, both are man made artificates,
so why can't we meet half way? Is the simplify characters any better for
the computer system (in this specific example) as the traditional? Only
slightly, I think. It's still a pictorial representation that don't fit
well with the "common" Roman alphabet fonts. You may encode a few less
characters, but you still need thousands. There's just no getting away
from it, not unless you change the way you write Chinese radically..and
that's certainly impossible, because it will not longer be Chinese. Consider
Chinese to be challenge to the western technology of computer.
>The real simple question is that if the good old things don't fit 
>into the new world which one are you going to choose ? 
>I think I don't need to remind you the tragedy happened in the last 100
>years of Ching dynasty. Are you going to repeat the same tragedy to
>preserve some things were good then but don't work quite well now ?
So we hack away all things that are old, as Moa (was should it be the
Gang of 4? I'm not certain) did with the cultural revolution? There is no
room at either extremes.

-- Vince

---------------------------------------
vli@mprgate.mpr.ca        |-) It works well under pressure: Another thing
                          |-] you can say about your pillow. -- Mr Boffo
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:36:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <Bw2Du2.IAB@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>>
>>The mentioned few words, Kuai, Da Zha Lan, Si Gu (sillion valley) has been
>>discussed on SCC over and over. I found out people on SCC during TAM time
>>were honest. They did admit the error and fairly comitted to correct the
>By the way, are you really sure Guo Yu (National Official Language) is
>same as that in Song Dynasty? How about Tang or Qin Dynasty? 

Of course not. There were many arguements on the net before, people stated
that Cantonese was the Tang court language, Hakka was the north Soong language.
However, it has been the national language since Ming Yung Le emperor.
Why after CCP took power, everything was rapidly changed? The national
language was a common practise, common understanding as official one.
Beijingnese people know how to change their accent when they make movies.
Why? Does it mean something?
>	
>>pronounciation. To those tend to pronounce Kuai as Hui, have less basis to
>>argue with. If my grand had a name KUAI, and he was called KUAI in his life
>>time, that was his name. No one should change his name. So as Qin Kuai!
>Fine. But he may still be called HUI by his friends and colleagues. And
>
Have to agree with your logic that Mao Ze-dong may be called Mao Zei/Jie
(thief) Dong some day in the future. So, Beijing people broke small bottles
in streets to indicate their upset/frustration against Deng (small bottle).:-)
A Core Communist, Liu Sao-qi so became the spy of KMT, so as his wife.:-)

A final note: According to my source, the reason that Mandarin has so much
illogic and unreasonable change was due to some CCP leaders who could/can not
pronounce correct Mandarin, strongly hold their hometown accent, so some
blind followers took the language as the order and made  changes. :-)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28178 soc.culture.taiwan:14545 soc.culture.hongkong:12760
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:36:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <92Oct16.113629edt.101@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>>>
>And by the way, Tang sold out his mentor-old boss General Chen Yi, former
>(deputy?) premier, then governor of ZeJiang to Jiang and had him executed 
>right there in HangZhou, based on some "suspection" 
>  
The above proves that Yuanhui's claim was merely a rumor, or road side news.
After Lee Deng-hui's 228 report, Taiwan news media tried hard to prove the
above and found: Chen Yi was burried in a secret place, far from Taipei 
city. If he was executed in Hangchow, how come his grave is in Taiwan?

Please be objective, taking rumor to the public net is nonsense.
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: cooking mantou
Date: 12 Oct 1992 08:52:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct12.054714.20013@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2030@nusunix1.nus.sg (WU HU) writes:
>Could you try other kinds of flour.

I think you'd better use all purpose unbleached flour because this is the kind
without special treatment. For example, you may not use self-rising flour,
microwave flour, or cake mix, because if you do, the taste will be different
than the kind of Man2To4 we are talking about.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS ******* 
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:08:53 GMT

	On 9/9/92, the GM (General Motors) Company started issuing a new
GM MasterCard.  No annual fee.  GM MasterCard also gives you 5% credit 
to purchase GM cars.  There is a 1-800 phone number to apply for the credit
card.  If anybody has this phone number, please send it to me:

		JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU

If you know any other financial institutions who issue VISA/MASTERCARD with
no annual fees, please let me know. 

	Thanks in advance.


JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Once again, please join me
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:36:08 GMT

In article <2AD6329F.14206@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>I do not think the US employers will buy those blood carders' political
>bullshit.  Please join me to lobby the US employers not to hire those blood 
>suckers.
>
>To those who do not tolerate jutice rapers, let's be together again to fight
>with those blood suckers to the very end.  Thank you.
>
>shannon
>-------

The fact that many CSSers in USA want to stay there is understandable.


J Su


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xcchen@iastate.edu (Xiaoshan Chen)
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:04:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.214203.26122@u.washington.edu> liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
>
>I have a visa from FisrtBank of Chicago(?), it is absolutely free of annual fee.
>The card is named First Card. But it is not my first credit card though.
>
Interesting. I also had a First Card Visa with annual fee, then they changed
that to a Visa Gold with annual fee. The bank is called the First National
Bank of Chicago. Pretty ironically, it is my first card.














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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Qin Hui was not Qin "Kuai"
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:47:31 GMT

In article <ld91ueINNs05@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>>It is Qin Kuai, Kuai is a combination of wood and meeting, pronounced
>>>to be Kuai, not "Hui". Isn't it a distruction of Chinese culture?
>>>Note: I checked my dictionary which was published in mainland X years ago.
>>
>>This charactor has at least three pronounciations as I know: Hui4, Kuai4 
>>and Gui4. Hui4 is a pronounciation used in Beijing Operas. 
>
>As I know of, the Beijing opera performs in Taiwan that word is still
>pronounced to be Kuai. I just had very good Mandarin teachers, husband and
>wife both from Bei Shi Da. There is no way to read it as Hui.
>In the meanwhile, I checked my dictionary which was published in mainland
>in 80s. 

The following is found in Xin1 Hua2 Zi4 Dian3 (Xinhua Dictionary) 
published by Shang1 Wu4 Yin4 Shu1 Guan3 in 1987 (6th ed. 10th print):

p. 159: gui4, (1) gui4: One kind of tree ...
              (2) hui4: see page 187
p. 187: hui4, (2) hui4: [Qin Hui] Nan2 Song4 Jian1 Chen2.
              (1) gui4: see page 159
p. 251: kuai,   This character is not listed under this pronounciation.

So "Qin Hui" is "Qin2 Hui4".
The pronounciation "gui4" is used for a tree.
The pronounciation "kuai4" is not listed in the dictionary.

One more point I must say is that you do not need to attack too much when
a pure technical issue is discussed. I kept deleting those kind of stuff
for you when I quoted your post, but you kept writing more in your next post.
This does not help discussion.

I do not want to laugh at you even you attacked correct pronounciation "Hui"
with incorrect pronounciation "Kuai" and output too many "extra" words.
Nobody gets respected by laughing at others. But I do suggest you not to
write too much on unrelated aspects.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: huangx@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Xiuqing Huang)
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:25:43 GMT

This is just a test.  Ignore it please.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.154640.11516@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>territories. To me, histroy is just something happened in the past and  
>historical figures like Yue Fei is nothing more than Wang2 Po2 (old lady Wang  
>who helped Mr. Ximen and Ms. Pan1 Jin1lian2 poisoned Wu3 Da4lang2). What Yue  
>Fei did might have been good to China, or might have been very bad. No one  
>knows. Just as nobody know if it is good thing or not for the British warships  
>knocked open China's gate by cannons. 
>
>Carl
> 
So, Mr. A Q is nothing less than Sun Yehsen, let's build an A Q temple
beside Zhongshan Ling.
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:36:33 GMT
	<81507@ut-emx.uucp> <5bb8e2b7.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>
	<mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus>
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl's message of 13 Oct 92 10:44:31 GMT

In article <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:


>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC. I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!

>I think Chinese should be proud of the heritage and not dispose of it so easily
>as other countries. Traditional characters are beautiful, simplified ones are
>REALLY UGLY!

[Point 1.]
Not sure about Hong Kong people, but many people in Taiwan certainly 
could be wrong. For example: why did not they keep fighting CCP, 
instead, they ran to Taiwan? If this had happened, the traditional 
characters would be much more beautiful than they are now.

[Point 2.]
Actually, traditional characters are much more uglier than those 
posture characters. Why Hong Kong and Taiwan people don't insist on
using posture characters? Does it mean that Hong Kong and Taiwan
residents (not sure about the sitizenship) are too stupid to learn
posture characters? I can't believe this!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27749 talk.politics.china:1881
From: rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Rupert Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Archive/Compression Programs for PC
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:21:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.Bw0z8J.H9s
Organization: University of Waterloo


After I posted some information about Electronic Books, I got many messages
asking about archive/compression programs.  The following is a fairly
complete list of such programs for IBM/PC.  One can get them via anonymous
FTP from

Site:      gargo.uwasa.fi
Directory: pc/arcers

    arcers :        MsDos archiving (compression) programs
    ----------
    arc602.exe      SEA's un/packing system for .arc files (self-extr.)
    arce40g.zip     Arce v4.0g; V. Buerg's fast extraction pgm
    arj230ng.exe    Arj data de/compressor by Robert Jung, no encryption
    booz20.zip      Zoo v2.10 extractor + sources for .zoo files
    com-pack.arc    Combine short COM files
    dezip.exe       DeZip v2.0; ZIP-extractor
    dwc-a501.exe    Quite competitive with pkzip (although older)
    ext-pc.zip      Extract Compact Pro (Mac: .cpt) archives
    hpack75.zip     Hpack v0.75c0 - Multi-system archiver (great idea)
    hyper25.lzh     Hyper v2.5 - pack utility (quite capable)
--> lha213.exe      LHa v2.13 compression for .lzh files, tight, in English
    looz212.zoo     Looz v2.12 (rev Aug 90); Extract/list zoo files
    pak251.exe      NoGate's PAK file compression utility v2.51 (self-extr.)
--> pk361.exe       This packs and unpacks .arc files (self-extracting)
--> pkz110eu.exe    "Legal" Euro-version of PKWARE's ZIP v1.10, no encryption
    splint.arc      Data compression/decompression pgm (Unix&PC) (C source)
    sqpc131.lzh     V. Buerg's fast file squeezer, like NSQ
    sqz1082e.zip    SQUEEZE from Sewden. Compresses small.
    unpackit.zoo    unPackit (Mac .pit) Packit file unpacker
    unsit30.zip     Uncompress Mac StuffIt (.sit) files
    unstufit.zoo    unStufit (Mac .sit) StuffIt file unpacker
    unzip50.exe     Info-ZIP's self-extracting free unzipper for .zip files
    zip10exx.zip    Info-ZIP's free 1.10 compatible MsDos zipper for .zip files
    zip19p1x.zip    Info-ZIP's free 1.93A compatible MsDos zipper for .zip files
--> zoo210.exe      Zoo packing/unpacking facility from Rahul Dhesi
    zoox2exe.exe    Series of zoo archives limited by size (enh. v2.01)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Good luck!


Information Exchange
---------------------            rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china