From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Bishop Flames (Re: Indiana Welfare)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:26:29 EST
Distribution: na
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <C1Iq84.HMs@cs.psu.edu>, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
> 
>>> Lisa, it would help a lot if you'd avoid the tirades against NCP's
>>> and against anyone who thinks that "child" support is too high.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, you seem rational -- but then comes a post full of anger
>>> and hate (here, you have five !'s, a couple of ???'s, plus a "God
>>> forbid" and a "sure as hell" to lash out against people who have
>>> different opinions).  The point being, regardless of whether you are
>>> justified or not, you show little respect for people who don't share
>>> your opinion.
>>> 
>>
>>A complaint about hostility?  From the Beave?  Wow.....
>>
>>> I am one of those people, and I would like to discuss child support
>>> rationally.  Unlike the lurkers that Sue Bishop mentioned, I'm not
>>> afraid of your negativity, but I would still like to hear agreeing
>>> and opposing views, without personal attacks.
>>
>>I just couldn't let this pass.  Don, you are suggesting that the lurkers
>>were afraid of *Lisa's* hostility.  They weren't.  They were afraid of
>>yours.
> 
> I realize you can't let anything pass.  Your interpretation is wrong.
> 

NO, you just twisted things again.  Well, I've had it.  Yep, you win.
I'm leaving.  When I found this group, I had hopes of getting factual
information, exchanging information, maybe exchanging emotional support.

Instead, if any woman CP posts ANYTHING about having problems, they get
flamed thoroughly by The Beave and Alan, who seem to have some weird
sexual thrill going by female bashing.  

So, I'm bailing out.  I don't need this.  I'm voting with my feet.  
Life's too short to put up with all this.  

To Lisa:  Send me some e-mail occasionally.  I hope things get better for
you.  

To Alan and The Beav:  Get a life.  And BTW, as far as I think, you
both deserve anything the courts throw at you.  I don't blame your ex-s
for sticking you for anything they can.  Your anti-feminine bias and
hostility to any woman who DARES to post in *your* group sure give me
some doubts as to exactly what your sexual preferences are?  Into S & M?{


> 
>>> I was starting to think that your support group's goals were
>>> reasonably balanced -- but I'm a bit worried that it's like
>>> gender-neutral laws:  the bias can be read between the lines.
> 
>>The vast amount of gender bias in this group has come from you and Alan.
>>Once again, while Lisa is being a little extreme, you seem to be trying
>>to rekindle the flame war.  Sigh, get a grip, will you?  Or are we going
>>back to the alt.child-support.male-only again?
> 
> 
> I prefixed my comments with "Lisa" -- but it is no surprise that
> Sue Bishop returned to bat.
> 
> Sue, I disagree with you.  In my opinion, the vast amount of *gender*
> bias has come from you, as well as the hostility.  Above, I made
> some comments to Lisa about how her article sounded, and you respond
> with name-calling and accusations.  I find it hypocritical of you
> to condone Lisa's "being a little extreme."
> 
> 
> I regard this group as a forum for all people, men and women, 
> CP's and NCP's and parents and nonparents, to discuss their opinions 
> of child support levels and enforcement-related issues.
> 
> If you would like to start alt.child-support.sue_and_lurkers_only,
> be my guest.
> 
> But I hope people can state their opinions here, even when they disagree,
> without escalating to name-calling and hostilities.  It is those 
> escalations that scare off the unidentified lurkers you want to protect, 
> Sue.  They also scare off the lurking NCP's who are used to tirades
> about "deadbeat dad's."  Does your sympathy extend to them as well?
> 

This from the guy who kept beating the dead pony?  Bet yours and Alan's
wifes left because you beat them.

I'm outa here.

Sue

> Don
> -- 
> beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged