From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Nuke Iraq
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:06:48 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Came back after a long week of drudgery and finals only to witness further
attempts of vengeful justifications made by supporters of Anwar and his
evil and corrupt Kuwaiti government.

K.A.R.Razzooqi writes:

>  First of all it seems to me that you did not understand what my friend 
>  Anwar has said.Read it again may be you will understand it!!!!!!
>  He said: "I could refer" then followed it with "but I won't"
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>  He refered only to YOU.
>             ^^^^    ^^^
>  second thing in your last letter you refered to all KUWAITI people with
>  arrogance, greedineess,.... ,not the government.
>  Do not try to deny that to improve your position .

I understand the English language probably 99.9% better than you do, sir.
Obviously I was avoiding Anwar's bigoted tactic of labeling his feelings
towards Palestinians on myself.  SECONDLY, I refer to the Kuwaiti government
first and foremost in the crimes, greed, and corruption department.  I know
there are many *decent* Kuwaitis who have the faith and fear of Allah in
their hearts.  But the only thing we hear after the war is how they are back
to spending and spending and driving the newest and most expensive vehicles
while the rest of the people in the Arab and Muslim world are suffering,
being massacred, and oppressed.  That is our anger!  Can you understand???


>  (I think you forgot about what you wrote!!!!!!!!)

I never forget *anything*!

>KUWAITIS did not Exploite Palestinians.

Oh??

>And I do not think that it is a good for you and the Palestinians to box 
>your self in your own creatted images about other arabs,to convince your
>self that you are the best and every body is trying to exploit you.

But *all* Arabs consider the Kuwaitis to be the most over-privileged and
arrogant people in the Arab world.  I recall a statement by the Kuwaiti
Embassador right after the war - complaining (on Nightline) that there were
still (at that time) "500,000 too many Palestinians in Kuwait" - with the
look of hate in his eyes.  Even if you want to discredit my personal
feelings, there are too many other Palestinians to witness the blatant
racial discrimination and unequal treatment in Kuwait.  You think your
country is the best only because of its wealth factor and have the
audacity to say that the other Arab peoples are jealous of its wealth while
also saying in the same breath that you are good Muslims??  That we should
look up to the values in your society?  That a monarchy is Islamic?  To
justify the money that paid for the murder of millions of innocent women
and children who died of gas inhalation and dropped dead right in their
tracks on the street?  To justify the fact that the *interest* from foreign
banks account for the majority of the wealth of the filthy government and
support the attitudes of your people?
 

You simply fail to understand the severity of crimes from your government
and its actions - whether it be through supporting the continuance of
Saddam's Ba'thist-Facist regime by bankrolling his cause in the Iraq-Iran
War and not realizing what the hell happened until it was too late - to
understanding the total *anger* and frustration on the part of the other
Arab nations who are *entitled* to a equal distribution of the wealth
under Islamic guidelines and are suffering tremendously because of the
lack of it.  You cannot even remotely empathize with any other Arabs
because of your country's greed and monetary control over the Middle
East.  You cannot even think of the effects of inviting your masters
into Muslim holy lands will be ten or twenty years from now, or even
the division that the war caused further between the Arab peoples.  You
have only one thing on your mind and that is for your own survival and
sustinance - the hell with everyone else.
 
>This way of thinking will realy do you no good,and you should free your self
>from all these bad images you have for others.

The bad images only created by people like yourself and your leaders and
supporters.

>And only this way can close the gap between you and others, the gap that you
>created.

How is that?  Didn't your brothers in the Gulf actually create it by
aiding their masters, the British, to 'free' Palestine?

>Also KUWAITIS did not use Palestinians as Cheap labour, every Palestinian
>knows that,they were paid like KUWAITIS .And they were provided with free
>education and health,if you think otherwise you are wrong.

Ah - same words, different person.  There is NOTHING FREE!!  Our people
laboured very long and hard hours to receive ONLY WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED
TO!  Your government gave a MILLION DOLLARS worth of jewelry to Princess Diana
just for visiting Kuwait (before the war) and God only knows how much money
they give to support their own interests.  The Palestinians and other Arabs
are treated like fourth-class citizens because they are not rich, spoiled
Kuwaitis.  Shall we even bring up the other peoples who are treated even
worse - like the Indians, Pakistanis, and Asians?  Don't you get it?  YOU
ARE WRONG IN YOUR ANALOGY!  You are justifying corruption and crimes against
people because you are too chicken to admit your government's shortcomings!
Do you have any dignity?  Any backbone?  Are you just like your ignorant
leaders who do not know how to count from 10 to 20 while the other Arab
peoples, who come looking for their rights for an opportunity with their
education and experience (which, I don't need to re-emphasize is paid at
fractions LOWER than Kuwaitis who are managers and supervisors OVER THEM
who do not have the same qualifications or education, although not entirely
the case with everyone - just the majority) and deserve a LOT MORE than
what they were given and how they were treated!  I am tired of people like
you believing that 'free education and health' are supposed to supplement
the lack of equal treatment and pay for Palestinians.
 

>>>scapegoating us after the War by expelling us by the hundreds of thousands
>>>and cheating us out of final hard earned wages - to be rewarded with a
>
>That is rubbish Anisa.KUWAIT did not expell hundreds of thousands.

Really??

>Jordan and PLO admitted that more than 250,000 Palestinians left KUWAIT
>during the occupation,so it is not our fault.

Did they leave by force?  What about AFTER THE OCCUPATION?  Huh??!!!
It isn't your fault??  Whose damn fault is it?  Russia's?  What about
the 2 million Yemenese who were expelled after the war from Saudi
Arabia just because their GOVERNMENT supported Saddam Hussein!  What
about that??

>Also every one received all his rights and got all his money that he had 
>in KUWAIT.We never cheated and will never do. 

Can you prove that?  I won't take you on your word alone because the
media here stated otherwise.

>>swift kick in the ass.
>
>Anisa, please spare me this type of language.
>(it is not a lady type, or is it!!!!!!!) 

No, it isn't lady like.  I've restrained myself before in the past but
when I am angry - and rightfully so despite your nose - you can and
should expect even WORSE!  The facts are plain and simple and I am tired
of being so nice on this forum to hypocrites that use things to their
advantage.  I'm just telling it like it is.  The truth hurts - you know?

>We did not choose that they did,
>we did not invade iraq and kill,torture,and rape the iraqis
>they did it to us (I do not say that all iraqis did ,it is just saddam
>and his thugs).

But your government supported the continuance of such a dictatorship -
it is YOUR OWN FAULT!  And I am the LAST ONE to commend Saddam's
actions - in fact I supported Kuwait during the war because I know
about the facist and ruthless tactics of Saddam and I felt very sorry
for Kuwait and her people.  And they were starting to realize what
it was like to be cheated out of land and oppressed - I hate for someone
else to experience that but they cannot realize it or appreciate other
people until that happens - especially when they were so spoiled before.
And many Kuwaitis turned back to Islam and became good Muslims - but
they did too many things afterward to reduce their barakat.

>And what do you say about the killing of KUWAITI women and children
>during the occupation (or they are not human beings?!!)

I never said they weren't!  Even though the media here was paid off
by Kuwait and stories that we heard were from the Kuwaiti embassador's
daughter, my heart still felt the anguish for those people just because
they are human beings and were tortured and oppressed and I don't wish
that on *anyone*!  I felt very bad - it made me cringe to think that
Saddam was raping and pillaging another nation overnight.  I never
supported him nor will I ever - even if it means my life - but on the
other hand, I do not support the greed and corruption of the Kuwaiti
government.  I do not support their turning their eye on the poverty
and suffering of the Arab world while lavishing in their own wealth.
And furthermore, I do not support how they treated the Palestinians
and used them as scapegoats - the average person DID NOT SUPPORT THE
OCCUPATION - you cannot blame the entire people on the perspectives
of Yasir Arafat!  How can you call yourself a Muslim and support this
tyranny??  I remember after the war when Kuwait was expelling Palestinians
by the thousands, a Palestinian lady crying and saying that her people
were kicked out before and that nobody wanted them - not even their Arab
brothers.  Don't you have feelings?  Do you have a heart?
 
>is it not! or is it hate that you have in your sick heart for us.
>And who is racist NOW ???!!  ( SHALLOW PEOPLE !!!)
> [by the way I mean you only Anisa not the Palestinian people
>  because I know many Palestinians with good hearts and they would not
>  support what you are saying] 

I am not racist - I am only angry and hurt.  I don't say that every
Kuwaiti is corrupt - there are still many good ones.  I just don't
see them or meet them.  They discriminate against us and hate us
because of the war, which we had nothing to do with - were just caught
in the middle of it.  And if you think I am the only one feeling this,
you are very wrong.  Don't make me out to be so different.  As they
say, when one part of the body hurts, the whole body can feel it.

I have heard too many things by Kuwaitis and Saudis against Palestinians
even here in our own community and to my own face.  I don't hate anyone
because of their nationality - only their actions, and it isn't always
on an individual basis, especially in this case.  And where is your
heart?  Do most Kuwaitis support what you are saying?

>>>about religious philosophy, we could just say that 'what comes around
>
>Ahhh.. so we are not religious now??!!!!

I might be just a little less in dealing with this newsgroup.  What about
you?  Or is it only to suit your interests?  If you are such good friends
with Anwar, you should know that he resists Islam and Islamic movements.
Who are you to question and/or judge me?

>Thank you very very much for the nice feelings you have for us!!!!

Likewise!

>And I advise you again Anisa to change your heart because believe me this
>will backfire on you,and as long as you have all this in your heart you will
>stay where you are now.

Oh - another philosopher.  You don't know my heart.  Only Allah does.  And
you shouldn't feel that you are in the position to judge me based ONLY on
my perspectives in this issue.  I have many but I am only showing a few.

>By the way we called for help before , and wht was your response !!

When was this?

>You stepped over KUWAITIS dead bodies shouting for the thug saddam .

I did - or are you judging all Palestinians now?  I thought it was only
me - now you are mixing your feelings.  What is accurate?

>But do not worry there are still alot of good arabs around.
>(thank GOD you are a minority Anisa )

You don't know me.  Yes, thank God there are.  Only I probably couldn't
look to you as being one of the few - especially since you support
Anwar and openly criticize and falsely judge me because of your own
pride.

>You supported saddam and his thugs , so you are the one not to be regarded
>as a friend,............etc. 

Me or all Palestinians?  I know what my position was and many other
Palestinians on this issue.  Don't categorize - it is racist.


>BIG SALAM TO YOU ANISA.
>Kutaiba. 

If I knew you were a practicing Muslim, I would return it with
an even greater blessing and peace for you.

Anisa

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Sullallaho aleihi wa sallam.
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