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From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:33:57 GMT
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

> metal band with a squirrel for a vocalist.' If Hine didn't know what

That got me rolling in the aisle!  hahahaha

Take care,
Eric

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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: vo vo vo vo cal
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.152602.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>>Maybe this has been done to death in a previous life^H^H^H^Hthread.
>>>This is also a copy with the newspaper headlines blanked out.
>>>
>>>-dave
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csug
>>>djd@uk.ac.reading.cs.csg
>>>davidd@integ.uucp
>> 
>	This topic of Freewill lyrics has been debated at LENGTH here 
>and on the NMS, i think.  in fact, there was a BIG long discussion about
>freewill (philosophically speaking) attached to it.
>
>> Yeah, I just found that on my PeW CD, too. Anybody have it on the vinyl? (I
>> sold mine a long time ago.) My guess is that Ged had a lyric sheet pinned
>> up in the studio, and, having his hands so busy, got a little distracted and
>> read "still" on the same line as "made a choice."  Or just switched around
>> the words in mid-vocal without really thinking about it.  Either way, I like
>> it. Food for thought, and all that...
>> 
>> Frank
>
>	"having his hands so busy"?  i would assume that Geddy records the
>vocal tracks SEPARATE from the bass tracks. in fact, much later than the 
>bass tracks..
>
>Thomas Beaudoin
>
>

Certainly, that's the way Ged tends to do things these days, but I for one 
have no idea how the PeW sessions went.  IT's possible that the basic tracks
(guitar, bass, vocals, and drums--just enough bare bones of the track without
the guitar solo) were cut live, although I admit that Freewill would be a
tough thing to pull off live in the studio.  Anyway, maybe Ged was just
singing the vocals only for the fifteenth take or so and got mixed up
precisely because the memory of the lyrics' order had sunk in too far.


Frank Sellin
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From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: RTB Rap
Organization: Planet of the Daleks
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:57:32 GMT

According to computer analysis, inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (92F02544) stated:

>The first time I heard the song "Roll the Bones", I cried.  I just don't
>understand the justification for putting a 'rap' in the song.  I think
>it would be safe to assume that they wouldn't have even considered
>placing it there unless it was such a popular genre among youth today.
 
I really doubt this a lot.  I think they put it in there for the same reason
they've done everything since Permanent Waves...as a change of pace.  I 
personally think that putting the rap in there was a brilliant move.  Let's
face it, its the one thing you would not expect from Rush.  As they move up
there in years, they have to work harder to come up with new ways to surprise
us fans.  A rap is simply one way to pull this off.  Besides, IMHO its better
than your average (c)rap...cool guitar licks, real acoustic drums, no lyrics
involving raping and pillaging women, etc, etc. :) 




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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:36:56 EDT
From: <MLS154@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 <1992Oct2.013124.3753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

A didact is a teacher and narpets is an anagram for parents

Teachers and parents inflicting their views up on the youth and attempting
to hold him back while he wants to take the journey..

God, I love that song
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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Re: What did he say?
Summary: La Villa's lyrics / a new album??? 
 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:51:45 GMT

Maybe it's just me, but Ged's ramblings sound pseudo-Italian with perhaps
a bit of Spanish/Mexican flamenco-ness entering the mix.  Then again,
maybe he's singing absolute nonsense--I refer everyone back to the Spirit
of St. Louis 1980 bootleg/radio broadcast, where the "lyrics" in the
same place have got to be nonsense--and tremendously funny nonsense at
that.


NOw, I recall hearing Ged say something about a new album when he was
last on Rockline (May 1992?).  What I can't remember is when he 
_tentatively_ suggested it might descend upon North America.  Did he
say this fall, perhaps?

Frank Sellin
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From: Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:43:42 -0700

"Gregg Jaeger, talking to All, said about 'Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!' ":
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>In article <1992Sep16.174717.8258@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
>mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>>
>>>   I've found out what a "Didact" might be, a teacher, but what's a
>>>"Narpet"? The closest I can come up with is it means someone who learns.
>>>"Teachers and Learners"??

>>Someone on TNMS mentioned that an anagram of "Didacts and Narpets" is
>>"Addicts and Parents". This may be significant....

>Narpets can be seen as an anagram for NPearts. I think Neil mentioned
>this in an interview somewhere (or a Backstage Club Q&A response...)

   Another interesting possibility. Still, it doesn't explain what this
short, but typically wonderful Rush, song is trying to get across. Damn!
Why doesn't Neil have a modem and use this conference?! :>

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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Strange Morse Code!
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:29:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep28.163459.18236@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
>Gregg,

>If you know about Chris deBurgh and Saga, then a) either you spent
>some time in Canada or in Montreal (listening to CHOM FM), or the
>symbiotic link between Montreal and Boston due to the classic 
>Canadiens-Bruins rivalry is stronger than I thought.

I've spent some time in both Toronto and Montreal, though just visiting
(Canada seems to make it hard for foreing students to study there!).

>Okay, Gregg, taking up the Hines string.  A) On Roll the Bones, I find that 
>Alex's guitar work is too processed and to mixed. 

Hmm, I can't imagine a guitar more processed than Alex's on _Signals_.
Care to differentiate the two so I can understand your point better?

> The guitar on Ghost of a
>Chance, for example, sounds extremely overprocessed, Secondly, Neil's 
>drumming is extremely dull, he's just keeping time, nothing really exciting.

I presume you mean on ``GoAC''. This is what Neil would call `controlled
playing.' I think the song is a masterpiece myself, extremely well
written. Actually, it's just shows that they did learn something about
songwriting from working with Hine. I personally go in for the all-out
jam sections that can be found on HYF, but I can really appreciate
GoAC. How do you feel about ``Losing It''? I really see it as one of
Rush's best overall pieces before GoAC. Really, I see these two as
just progress beyond ``Limelight'' in terms of songwriting.

>B) On Presto and Roll the Bones, I hind that the acoustic stuff is used mainly
>on bridges and choruses and is really far back in the mix (guitar-wise that is), anything else acoustic (such as the pianos) is so over-processed as to sound
>almost synthetic.

That's fine with me? Don't you think the acoustic stuff in _PeW_ and
_MP_ can is sometimes also pretty far down in the mix? 

>Personally, I find that the best uses of synthesizers on Rush albums are on
>Moving Pictures, which strikes a good balance between guitar and synths, and
>Grace Under Pressure, in which the Synths are used creatively and really reflect
>the subject matter of the songs.

I agree with your assessment of p/g, and I love the sound of _MP_ too,
but hey, there are many more interesting balances to be struck!



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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:50:46 GMT

In <1992Sep30.185705.580@eng.umd.edu> cfynx@eng.umd.edu (Sridhar P. Rao) writes:


>overall though, i am not too impressed with the drumming on rtb,  mostly
>because i am spoile dby older masterpeices. on a different note -
>how about the begniing to big money, that whole sequence up to the inital 
>vocals..damn.

I dunno.  I don't think the drum part for The Big Money is all that hard
either.  It's pretty creative, but not difficult.  I think the older stuff
is generally better......Hemispheres, La Villa Strangiato, Natural Science,
etc.


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From: inde7lo@elroy.uh.edu (92F02544)
Subject: Rush fan speaks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:13:00 GMT

In article <96979@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes...
>In article <28SEP199212083873@rosie.uh.edu> inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (92F02544) writes:
> 
> 
>> My roommates for example -- one was a country/western fan, the other 
>>was a dance/industrial fan[...]
> 
>> My roommates heard the rap and were on the 
>>floor laughing, shooting all my claims to hell.  In fact, they listened to 
>>the CD for their limited attention spans (about a week) saying that Rush 
>>finally produced something of any worth.  If you ask them why they like it:
>>"Because it's got a cool beat".  They were getting into "Bravado" and 
>>"Ghost of a Chance".  When Rush moves down to the level where these
>>guys like it, something's wrong.
> 
> 
>This is an argument from elitism, and these other people have limited
>tastes. Now you seem to be upset that Rush did somethings that those
>people like, which is moving away from your tastes. Your liking it 
>less for that reason alone just makes you like a conservative elitist.
> 
As is mentioned below, I have no problem with Rush gaining po
with the mainstream.  My point was that their new popularity was because
they _catered_ to the mainstream.  In comparison to their older works, 
their music is a bit simplistic (it is personal opinion to whether that
is good or bad) and easier to swallow in 3-minute gulps.  I suppose
someone who started listening to Rush with Presto or RTB would have a 
hard time with 2112 or Hemishperes.  It could be that I suffer from a 
common fear of change.  I am so in love with the complexities of the 
Rush of old, I have a problem with the new direction they are taking.
> 
>>  Even though I still love Rush and their
>>music, I loved them a lot more when you had to spend months to figure out
>>a certain N. Peart riff or a G. Lee lick.  A time when everyone else was
>>saying, "What the hell are you listening to?  It sounds like crap!" and
>>you could mumble to yourself, "you just wouldn't understand".  I have 
>>nothing against the mainstream public liking Rush's music now, but I don't
>>think these people appreciate Rush for their extraordinary talent but 
>>because "it's got a cool beat".
> 
>Sure, but maybe they'll _learn_ something. :) We all have to start
>somewhere...
> 
Unless this was intended to be sarcastic, you just made an elitist comment.
Are you saying that "they" have to start at the bottom and with prolonged
listening "they" will reach your level?

Bob

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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<D40374W.92Oct5223327@kaira.hut.fi> <Bvos9u.HqH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:40:07

In article <Bvos9u.HqH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:

   almost any song, but what is so stupid about a line like "The counter-
   revolution, at the counter of a store"  And about the who will pay, I'd
   like to know who is responsible for all the worlds resources wasted in 
   wishing away WWIII?

"The counter-revolution at the counter of a store" is clever. I'd also
like to know who will pay, but what's the point of asking that in a
lyric if you have nothing to offer to the issue? Your typical stereotype
will consider anyone who writes lyrics like this to be a great messiah
who brings up important points and problems, but I don't agree.
As I said before, one _can_ write a good lyric about things like this.
Heresy isn't one, IMO, because it merely asks the questions we all are
asking. 
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From: Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
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Subject: The point of the journey
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:45:44 -0700

>From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
>Newsgroups: alt.music.rush

>Here is my 2cents worth on what the line "The point of the journey is
>not to arrive" means.

>Remember the line "From the point of conception to the moment of truth"
>(forgive me if I slightly misquote)? This can be seen as the journey -
>life. The moment of truth is the end of the journey. Presumably this is
>the time when your life is judged good or evel and you wind up in heaven
>or hell.
>The song seems to be saying that you shouldn't worry so
>much about things you do
>and just enjoy the journey - LIFE.

    So, that would probably be the "A" choice of my question, right?
The point of the journey (life), is not to arrive (at the end), but to
enjoy it.

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Staleness Be GONE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.030828.556@midway.uchicago.edu> mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In response to some of the comments on Rush' recent playing, I would just
>like to say:
>
>Their progression from the Presto Tour to the RTB tour has been one for
>the better. I for one was a little disappointed with a slightly lack-luster
>performance here at the Capital Center, but happier with the one @ the
>Balti. Arena for presto, than on RTB, they just seemed much happier
>and energetic and joking around. Also, Geddy said in an interview that
>they were going to allow some freedom in their songs off the new album
>{RTB} so they could jam a little, and they did. I thought that was sooo
>cool when they did Where's My Thing in the beginning with that several
>minute jam intro, as well as the extened solos for Dreamline and Ghost
>of a Chance. I think the excitement is back (not to sound like a Chevy
>commercial or anything!!)
>
>Later..
>Chris
>

  I, too, was impressed with the overall show from RTB.  I saw the show that
  Chris is talking about (May 5, 1990, Capital Centre, Landover, MD) and was
  impressed with the screen show, but not too much else.  I did get to see the
  RTB tour once (sigh) at RedBird Arena, at Ill St Univ, in Normal.  Much 
  bett this time!!!  Missed the outdoor Meriweather Post show though, 
  (another sigh).  Thank You for Your support!

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From: boerio@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Hitman     )
Subject: "What You're Doing"
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:43:41 GMT

For anyone that's interested, Skid Row recently release an EP called
"B-sides Ourselves" in which they covered "What You're Doing."

I think it's a pretty good cover.

     - Jeff

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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<D40374W.92Sep26223338@kaira.hut.fi> <96881@bu.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:38:26

In article <96881@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

   >IMO, it's merely the want to leave out the inessential. The compositions
   >on Permanent Waves aren't worse than those on the preceeding albums;
   >they are shorter, tighter and more effective. 

   It was always my understanding that ``less is more'' means
   _exactly_ leaving out the inessential.

Hmm. I would say that "less is more" is the credo of the minimalist:
leave out everything that isn't _absolutely crucial_. I can detect no
"less is more" attitude on PeW, but the fact that Rush have left out
the inessential parts is very visible (audible). I admit that this is
a matter of semantics. 

   >I don't think there was any "less is more" attitude. In fact, Neil
   >has himself said that he is not one of those who think that less
   >is more. "A lot of the time, less is less." -NP

   I'd be interested in knowing the context of this quote, because of
   the above understanding of ``less is more'' in art. Maybe an art
   student out there could fill us in a bit on this bit of art
   terminology? I seem to recall Neil saying understanding ``less
   is more'' as I have in the above...

Remember the second "Win Neil's drumset" contest in Modern Drummer? The
one in which people were asked to send Neil a drum solo? Well, one female
drummer had sent in a tape which included only one tom beat. Quoth Neil:
"The whole tape consisted only of one tom beat. Boom. She should have 
known that I am not of those who think that less is more." I cannot
remember this _verbatim_, but the gist has stayed intact in my memory,
I guess (and hope). The article is in the ftp server at syrinx.umd.edu.
Check it out if you're interested. 
"A lot of the time, less is less" comes from another interview, but I
am sorry to say that I don't remember which one. But it is taken from
syrinx.umd.edu - that's for sure - so if you're _really_ into it, read
them all and you'll find it. :-)
Hey! The "A lot of the time, less is less" quote just MIGHT be in
the interview done by Frank Lancaster. The recent one. 

"Been wrong so many times before..." -UK

PS. Peter Gabriel's new album "Us" is excellent. 
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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:28:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <D40374W.92Oct5224224@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:
>In article <1am7mkINNqgm@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes:

>   If I may ask, why do you think that By-Tor and the Snow Dog, Cynus 
>   X-1, and Countdown are such "stupid and yuck(y)" songs. ...


>Countdown: Neil's attempt at eloquence is ridiculous. "This magic day when
>the super-science mingles with the bright stuff of dreams" Oh, gimme a break!

I like this line, especially rhythmically.

>Most of the lines are like this: pretentious and silly. "Excitement so thick -
>you could cut it with a knife" is particularly dumb in my opinion.

Yes, not very original, I must say.


Gregg


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From: rone@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Date: 27 Sep 1992 02:43:41 -0700
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In article <96813@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.212251.19686@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
>>In article <96784@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>>Why the semi-drastic changes from Hemispheres to Permanent Waves then?
>This is great material for a new thread. WHY the big change? 

According to the _Chronicles_ liner notes, Rush wanted to make more
radio-oriented songs.  (some may feel that implies selling out)

5150
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:27:27 GMT

In <Bv9Fr2.Hyt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:


>I think I heard from someone somewhere that the printers messed up on the 
>second pressing of PermWaves and accidently titled the song "Spirit of the 
>Radio."  The title of the song actually has a significance  beyond the 
>superficial.  The song is about the institution of Rock Radio, not the machine.
>So, althoght it is a nitpick, Ethan was right.....

.....and it was also dedicated to "The Spirit of Radio in Toronto", or
something like that.......whatever.  I just think it's sort of nitpicky, like
"La Villa Strangiato", not "Villa Strangiato", or whatever.  I've just heard
it called "Spirit of the Radio" so many times I'm used to it, and don't care
one way or the other, as long as I know what they're talking about.

Another nitpick:  that would make Ethan WRONG.....0-}


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