HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Facts and Opinions: Insights on American Jewish Thinking(?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:29:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug18.130649.13516@tronsbox.xei.com> moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>Herman Rubin writes:

			.................

>I find it strange that secular scholars wouldn't lend credence to a
>peer unless that person had studied all of the basic and advanced
>sources and contributed in some creative way, yet when it comes to
>Judaism these same folks feel they can make an informed decision about
>Torah without even the ability to read the Talmud and the responsa,
>much less exhibiting a true expertise in the field.

You seem to be ignorant of what happens in scientific research. 
The ideas of anyone are considered, "expert" or not.  It is the
case that the ideas of someone with credentials are more likely
to be taken seriously, but those of a complete newcomer are very
definitely not always dismissed.  It is truth, not opinion, which
counts.

Also, there is a major process of codifying and reducing the knowledge.
In many cases, a new finding will make what previously took months, or
even years, to learn, trivial.  The curriculum is constantly being 
revised, and what today's researchers are finding out will be in
tomorrows graduate courses, and by the end of the year would be in
the elementary schools if the teachers could learn it.  (Deliberate
exaggeration, but the idea is there.)

The corresponding thing in Judaism would be to recodify the basics,
so that they can be studied without going through all the historical
details.  And almost none of Maimonides' knowledge of medicine is 
studied at all today, except by historians.  The errors of the past
are to be discarded.
-- 
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From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST
Keywords: ISRAEL CLINTON BOOR ARKIE SLICK-WILLY
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:10:37 GMT

In article <560@kesher.UUCP> aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) writes:
>
>I am no big fan of Clinton, but neither am I a big fan of Bush.  I am having a 
>hard time trying to find out who to vote for, because while I think CLinton
>will be much better for Israel, I think he will be an economic disaster for
							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the U.S.  (And visa-versa for Bush).  So, I asked for a report on Clintons
		^^^^^^^^^^
>stand on Israel.
>
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Not that I want to start a political flame, but where have you been
for the last 4 years????  Bush will be better for the economy than
Clinton???  Have you had your head buried somewhere?  Have you
perchance noticed that we're in pretty bad shape in this country, and
- if it's not totally due to Bush's mismanagement - he certainly
didn't help.

Clinton is the only choice.

	- Steve -



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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:15:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug20.225331.16334@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>
>Some of the club soda makers now sell spritzer tops for their  2 liter
>club soda bottles.  I haven't yet tried that in an egg creme so I don't
>know if it's good enough to produce the right effect.

It's a nice gimick if you work behind a bar, but won't help the egg
cream.  Adding a spritz top to bottled seltzer won't increase the
pressure in the bottle.  When you get the bottles delivered, they're
under higher pressure than screw-top bottles.  If you put that much
pressure in an ordinary bottle, it's spray all over the face when you
open it.
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: Jewish summer camps (Was: Hebrew school)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:24:49 GMT

On 10 Aug 92 18:16:59 GMT, backon@vms.huji.ac.il said:


> Has anyone ever considered the impact of Jewish summer camps (Orthodox,
> Conservative [like Ramah], and Reform) on Jewish practice and affiliation ?

I've tried to bring this up a couple of times. I owe quite a bit to Jewish
summer camps -- I would claim that they are 80% responsible for my committment
to Reform Judaism today. The camps that I went to were owned and operated by
Wilshire Boulevard Temple... I started attending Camp Hess Kramer in 1969, and
continued to attend both CHK and Gindling Hilltop Camp until 1977, missing
only 1976. I remember the services, Shabbat, study groups, activities,
singing, program activities, and the people. I am now a member of the WBTC
camp commission, and still contribute and support the camps to this day.

FYI, the camp facilities are not just for the Reform. Although WBT built them,
it leases them out to other groups during the year -- both Jewish (all
movements) and non-Jewish. Each camp has a kasherable kitchen.

Daniel
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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish friends - help!
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:07:11 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <AGW.92Aug17102359@ground.cs.columbia.edu> agw@cs.columbia.edu writes:
>
>Don't forget that a lot of Pepperidge Farm products have O-U (dairy)
>certification.  So does Entenmann's (but I don't know whether they
>have a wide geographic distribution).
>
Entenmann's appeared here in Seattle about 6 months ago, to the joy of many.

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das
From: rcs76179@zach.fit.edu (Adnan Zejnilovic / ADVISOR M. Schneider)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On recent posting about Concentration Camps....
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:24:19 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Dear readers of soc.culture.jewish,
Dr. Ivan Trifunovic recently posted an article in this newsgroup blaming Muslims
and Croats for having concentration camps and torturing Serbs etc. He also men-
tioned that Nazi Croats exterminated Serbs and Jews in "real" camps in WWII. I
have no idea what was he trying to achieve with his article except pure 
propaganda. 

My comment is that what has happened 50 years ago was terrible and we (human
kind) should have learned something from it. But it seems that we didn't. It is
very sad that after fifty or so years and many innocent victims, history is
repeating itself again. It does not matter who is in the camps : Jews, Serbs, 
Muslims, Croats.... What matters is that THOSE ARE PEOPLE, of flesh and blood 
and no one has right to torture them. NO ONE ! 

Please do your best to stop the war in Bosnia. Please appeal to your politicians
to use all means possible to dismantle all concentration camps! Everyone has 
right to live free ! World should not allow crimes against the humankind to be
repeated again!

Adnan Zejnilovic
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.jjapan
Subject: Re: Jews in Japan
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:43:52 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

In article <9uZgPB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de> tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
(Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

>KOBE
>----
>There have been jews in Kobe for more than a century. Today's Jewish population
>numbers some 30 families.

Less one family.  My brother, his wife, and kid have returned to the US.

:-)
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		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re; Should a Jew settle in Israel
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:09:10 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel


 In: <564@kesher.UUCP>
 aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) explains a "great mitzvah":

>In article <2434@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>
>>Wow, finally an issue on which everyone's answer won't be predictable
>>given their position on the OCR debate.
>>
>
>
>Of COURSE a Jew should settle in Israel.  It is a great mitzvah.  However,
>due to the lack of extensive shopping malls and central airconditioning,
>I have sincere doubts I'll ever get my wife to leave Dallas.....
>
>
>--
>| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right
>| KESHERnet International       |  and true.  Just ask me....
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As Aaron invites  us just to ask him,  I shall do so.  What  is in the
list of  mitzvot, ANY  of which if  a wife refuses  to perform  she is
considered a moredet (rebellious) and thus should be divorced?

Miqveh?   Keeping a kasher home?   Settling in Israel?

Just curious.

Michael Shimshoni
From: josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric)
Subject: Re: Irony continues in our history
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.110624.29221@cco.caltech.edu> simic@pollux.ccsf.caltech.edu (Petar Simic) writes:
>  	Josip Loncaric writes:
>
>	>>>...Serbia and Montenegro did elect the (renamed)
> 	Communists (about 70% of the seats) and neo-fascists (about 24% of
> 	the seats)...<<<
>
>	- the truth is, however, that the 24% he mentions are members of the
> following Serbian parties: Democratic party, Serbian Renewal, Yugoslav
> Reformists and UJDI. None of these parties calls themselves "neo-fascist",
> none has in their platform elements of neo-fascisam; and I believe that no one
> in good-faith who has respect for the words, would call them "neo-fascists";
> which, quite sadly, Croats often do. 
>
> 	Petar.

No, I am talking about the neo-fascist party of Vojislav Seselj, the
Serbian Radical Party.  This man was born in 1954, and received his
law degree with his dissertation titled "Political essence of militarism
and fascism, a contribution to the analysis of Marxist critique  of
political forms of burgeois autocracy".  He is known for nationalist hate
and a founder of Serbian Chetnik Movement and Serbian Radical Party, 
reportedly a tool of the Milosevic regime.

Vojislav Seselj and his party are the ones who won 24% of the seats.

The following results are from the UPI report on Serbia/Montenegro election.
Some Serbian parties have boycotted the elections, but the turnout
was reported at 57% anyway.

The report was issued on June 4, 1992:

                                           Seats in parliament:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Milosevic's Socialist Party of Serbia (73) and its
Montenegrin appendage, the Democratic Party of Socialists (23): 96 seats (70%)
                                 Seselj's Serbian Radical Pary: 33 seats (24%)
                                  a party of ethnic Hungarians:  2 seats
                  League of Communists-Movement for Yugoslavia:  2 seats
                                                  independents:  3 seats
                                          re-polling called in:  2 contests

This guarantees total communist control of the Parliament and government of
rump Yugoslavia that it is expected to chose later.

The Serbian Radical Party is a creation and ally of Milosevic's regime.  Its
paramilitary wing, the Serbian Chetnik Movement, committed widespread abuses
and atrocities against civilians in Croatia, and more recently in Bosnia.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Josip
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:28:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Hold on a second here.  What is this crap with seltzer??  Maybe I
do not know exactly what an 'egg cream' is. I remember my
bub making something called 'goggle moggle'.  Not sure if
that is an official name or her own term.  It involved boiling
milk with an egg in it, adding vanila extract and other stuff.
When I first saw the header 'egg cream' I thought that it was
equivalent to 'goggle moggle'.  Deciding to read the postings, I
was suprised with the use of seltzer.  Am I alone on this one, or
are there supporters.  Maybe there are two 'egg creams': A) the
official egg cream that you mention and B) my bub's egg cream.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: thanks (Re: Jewish friends - help!)
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
	<1992Aug12.145657.4037@ils.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:22:03 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Aug 92 14:56:57 GMT, allender@ils.nwu.edu (Laura Allender) said:
In article <1992Aug12.145657.4037@ils.nwu.edu> allender@ils.nwu.edu (Laura Allender) writes:

Laura> Nntp-Posting-Host: aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
[...]
Laura> sufficient.  I just found it very ironic that our laws find a well
Laura> cleansed knife dirty and the dirty ground clean.   
[...]

1)  As I understood the story, the watermelon was broken open on
impact with the ground, but the dirt did not come into contact with
the edible part of the watermelon.  The blade of the knife would have
actually come into contact with the edible part of the watermelon.

2)  Since the watermelon and knife are cold, and watermelon is not
particularly spicy, I don't think this is an issue any way.

3) The cleansed knife is not dirty, just non-kosher.  There is nothing
dirty about non-kosher food; it is simply harmful to a Jewish soul.
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From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Auswich and $$$???
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:31:31 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX

I read today in the Texas Jewish Post (a real rag of a "newspaper") that the
keepers of Auswich are saying that it will cost $42 million to keep the place
running as a museum.

So now what?



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From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Taking a Computer to Israel
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:38:36 GMT

Two questions:

Will a $15 step-down transformer work safely with a 110-volt USA PC in
Israel?  Any cautions to be aware of?

Does anyone know approximately how much a Herc compatible mono monitor
costs in Israel?

Thanks.

-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:37:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug21.174821.29949@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
> Carl M. Kadie writes:
> >In their effort to restore funding to the Boy Scouts of America, the
> >Bank of America and the United Way of Suburban Chicago have lifted
> >their bans on supporting racially and religiously discriminatory
> >programs.
> 
> BSA detractors, such as Mr. Kadie (the full text and breath of his
> vehement anti-BSA postings can be found in rec.scouting) contend
> that two of BSA's positive virtues (a belief in God and proper
> moral behavior) somehow constitute some act of "discrimination"
> against atheists and homosexuals.
> 
> Regarding BSA and Judaism, [long discussion of how BSA accepts
> Jews deleted]

It would behoove us all to remember that just because a group does
not discriminate against Jews does *not* mean it does not discriminate
on the basis of religion.  The Boy Scout Oath includes an oath that
the scout will "do his duty to God."  Any scout who won't recite this
is rejected.  So not only atheists, but also Buddhists, neo-pagans,
and believers in a whole group of other, non-monotheistic religions
would be rejected.

Look, if some school introduced this pledge as part of the opening
ceremonies each day, everyone and their cousin would be hollering
that it constituted an establishment of religion, and the courts
would back them up, so I hardly think the BSA's argument that this
is not religious discrimination can fly.

As a private organization, the BSA can discriminate if it wants to.
The Catholic Church, Stan's temple, and the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir all so, and no one says they should stop.  But the BSA should
at least be honest about it (I believe honesty is another one of
those virtues it purports to profess) and say that's what they're
doing.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:47:18 GMT

In article <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> RABBI CHARLES ARIAN <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen
>Saroff) says:
>>
>>I would argue that since smoking is objectively bad for the body,
>>with no redeming virtues, it is banned under halacha, period ;->.
>
>It's permissible as long as you sell your lungs to a non-Jew. :-)

I thought it's overlooked as long as your rabbi doesn't smoke.
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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Are there any truly kosher butchers?
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:48:07 GMT

Joel,

WAs this a major chain?

I am looking for ways to better "market" adult Jewish education.

This is a germ of interest.  Question, would he really refuse to
sell it to an am ha-aretz?  Did he kniow you so well that he knew
you studied every day and wanted to give you positive
reinforcement?  
Julian Yudelson  JEYBBU@ritvax
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From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Israeli abbreviation?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:33:33 GMT


I hope readers of this newsgroup can answer this question.


Some banks in Israel use the abbreviation "B.M." in their names.
(At least, I assume they are banks.)

For example,  Bank Leumi Le-Israel, B.M.
	      Bank Hapoalim, B.M.

What does this abbreviation stand for?


Thank you very much for your help!

Tim Klein  (timk@meaddata.com)
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Subject: Re: Woody and Soon Yi
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:26:14 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug20.182513.8080@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>
>Let others debate the question of whether this constitutes incest; 
>surely the question that WE must pose is: will she convert?

All in all, it's not good for the Jews.  Oy, first Roy Cohn, then
Michael Milken, and now this.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:39:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug10.222355.7301@news.ysu.edu> aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller) writes:
>
>I don't smoke, but I'm curious to know if smoking is permitted during
>major fasts.

I've always believed (and been supported by one or two Rabbis) that
smoking isn't allowed at all.  The reason?  It's a health hazard, and
you're commanded not to do things to yourself that are dangerous.
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From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel


In article <564@kesher.UUCP>, aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) writes:
Aaron, please get a good reply address for internet...
  
  In article <564@kesher.UUCP> you write:
  |>
  |>Of COURSE a Jew should settle in Israel.  It is a great mitzvah.  However,
  |>due to the lack of extensive shopping malls and central airconditioning,
  |>I have sincere doubts I'll ever get my wife to leave Dallas.....
  |>
  Aaron,
  Please tell your wife that all major and minor cities now fully air-conditioned
  malls, most of which specialize in american products and fashion. True, you
  won't find Neiman-Marcus (you will find a Marks and Spencer). More and More
  houses are being built with central Air and Heat. And even my own dear mother
  had no problems with the heat here last summer, but was still glad to get back
  to Houston.
  
  
  BTW, while I have your ear, do you know of either a Richard Coe or a Roy McCoy,
  two recent new immigrants from the DFW area?
  
  --
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