From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Revised consistency check
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:37:27 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <23524@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri
>tes:
>>In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

Severely shortened, as much is not pertinent to the present subjects
of the thread.

[...]

>>Yup, you throw them out of the house and pretend they no longer exist.
>>You can't accept anything that doesn't meld to your singular view of
>>how life should be. Wonderful! A bunch of abusive clones.

>And if parents so much as yell at their kids, they're being abusive.

>Have you ever heard of Dr. Spock, the one whose books spawned a
>generation of kid.monsters?

>You remind me of him.

I think you have that confused with Mr. Spock, the logical entity of
Star Trek fame. :) Seriously, I have heard of Dr. Spock, but don't know
a thing about him, except that he wrote something about raising children.

[...]

>>They did not, however, brook disrespectfulness in any form, which
>>appear to be concepts that you are completely unfamiliar with. "telling
>>one's parents off whenever they so pleased" indicates a disrespectfulness
>>of one's parents, which is a different scenario, but my parents still
>>loved us, even if we did this, although something in the relationship
>>might change for a while until the behavior altered to soemthing acceptable
>>to both parties. In your family, what you've written of it, the *only*
>>acceptable behavior was complete subjugation to mom and dad, the infallible
>>duo. And you wonder why I state that it was dysfunctional. Any psychiatrists
>>out there that would love a shot at this one?

>No, there's been no such thing as absolute subjugation. My brother got
>more out of hand than just arguing. He kept his own hours, and was,
>more than I am now come my Internet access, a part-time kid; I hardly
>ever saw him much. Then he didn't want to put any money into the house
>(well, that's just 2 grades worse than me - I do it occasionally), and
>he was gone for days at a time at friends' houses.

What's this mean? Is your brother still underage, or what? If he's an
adult, then he should, for the most part, be able to keep his own hours.
You have left out much, here, so I will not speculate, and wait until
you furnish more details to allow some type of conclusion to be drawn.

>We disagree, but we don't take cheap shots at each other around here
>or slam the gavel of authority. It's when a parent comes home from
>work to face a fight with their own kids, that trouble occurs.

If he wasn't home much, how could mom or dad come home to face a fight?
Again, I'll wait for further details before coming to any further conclusions.

>>>Now, I know that's not a bad thing in your house, and your kids feel
>>>free to do that to you every day if they wish. After all, to teach
>>>them otherwise, means a dysfunctional family.

>>As usual, you *know* everything. <snicker>

>As if you're acting any better?

I'm only deriving ideas from what you say *about* your family. I never
claim to *know* exactly what went on in your family. There is a difference,
and as you see above, which you'll have to take my word for that I wrote
it before I read this section, I've refused to draw any more conclusions
about your family before you've provided more details, as the additional
ones you've provided indicate that only a very limited picture has been
displayed. (It was extremely unpleasant, also, and the reason that many
would conclude that your family was very dysfunctional, as the reasons
you presented for your brothers exit from the household were minor infractions
that have occurred in probably everyone's household. It now appears
that there were deeper reasons, providing you are telling the truth,
which I'm assuming you are at this point, just to facilitate the discussion.)

>Anything less than absolute wishy-washy tolerance, is Fascist to you.

Where do I say this? Or even indicate it. Please show this section.

[...]

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.