From: shc1909@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (SHC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [REL&POL] To^? Quo^'c va\ To^n Gia'o
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:29:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
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In article <40921112052404/0005517842NA1EM@mcimail.com>, 0005517842@mcimail.com (KB) writes...
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Hello,

Co^ co' nghi~ la`m chi'nh tri. , ho.c kie^?u cu?a co^ , chi? gie^'t da^n la`nh
vo^ to^.i, ga^y ha^.n thu` giu+~a ca'c to^n gia'o va` giu+~a da^n to^.c kho^ng??
Co^ co' nghi~ ddo' la` mo^.t thu+' a'c ddo^.c, a'c ddo^.c ho+n bo.n co^.ng Sa?n
kho^ng???.  Co^ ma` co' quye^`n cha('c co^ se~ tie^u die^.t ta^.n go^'c, se~ 
ta`n sa't ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a Gia'o kho^ng go+'m tay, ddo.c ba`i du+o+'i
dda^y va` nhu+~ng ba`i co^ dda~ vie^'t trong qu'a khu+', to^i co' ca?m tu+o+?ng
nhu+ va^.y, co^ co' nghi~ the^' kho^ng??? hay to^i qu'a lo+`i?????  Hay to^i 
qu'a tu+o+?ng tu+o+?ng cho co^??????  To^i so+. co^ co`n ho+n vua Tu+. DDu+'c??
To^i cu`ng mong ra(`ng nhu+~ng lo+`i tre^n dda^y kho^ng ddu'ng su+. tha^.t???
DDe? chu'ng ta la` ba.n, hu+o+'ng ve^` tu+o+ng lai xa^y du+.ng VN tie^'n le^n...

Tho+`i ddo', vua nghe ni.nh tha^`n kho^ng ddi ho.c ky~ thua^.t va` ddoa`n ke^'t
dde^? xa^y  du+.ng nu+o+'c nha`;  chuye^n ddi nghe bo.n ni.nh tha^`n, bo.n 
tho^'i mie^.ng, bo.n hu? la^.u, cu+.c ddoan,  ddi gie^'t da^n la`nh vo^ to^.i;
gie^'t tu+` ddu+'a tre? tho+ 2 tuo^?i to+'i cu. gia` sa('p li`a tra^`n.  Co' 
khi gie^'t he^'t ca? la`ng, vi` to^.i theo dda.o Thie^n Chu'a.....Ta.o ma^`m
mo^'ng chia re~ va` ha^.n thu` la^~n nhau??????????

Ngu+o+`i Co^.ng Sa?n no^?i tie^'ng la` tie^u die^.t To^n Gia'o, ho^m
nay, chu'ng co`n pha?i du+`ng tay......; 

Co^ chu+a la`m gi` ddu+o+.c cho nu+o+'c VN????  No'i ve^` dda.o ddu+'c
co^ cu~ng kho^ng ho+n ngu+o+`i?????  Co^ luo^n lo+'n tie^'ng dda? ki'ch Thie^n
Chu'a Gia'o.......;  Ne^'u co^ nghi~ dda.o cu?a co^ to^'t, thi` rao gia?ng
cho chu'ng to^i theo, ta.i sao la.i pha?i ddi la`m nhu+~ng vie^.c nhu+
va^.y?????  To^i nghi~ co^ kho^ng pha?i dda.o Pha^.t, vi`
to^i co`n nho+' co' mo^.t la^`n co^ vie^'t, me. cu?a co^ khuye^n co^ ne^n
ho.c ho?i nhu+~ng gi` Pha^.t da.y...., ne^'u co^ tha^'m nhua^`n dda.o Pha^.t
thi` co^ kho^ng la`m nhu+~ng ddie^`u nhu+ va^.y.....; Va^.y co^
theo dda.o gi`, to^i nghi~ kho^ng pha?i Thie^n Chu'a Gia'o ro^`i.
Hay cha? theo dda.o na`o ca???????

Mie^.ng thi` ho^ to, la lo+'n ke? kha'c la` tay sai cho Co^.ng Sa?n, cho
Thu+.c Da^n Pha'p;  Nhu+ng ngay ngu+o+`i tha^n cu?a co^, ngay ta'c gia?
ma` co^ ca tu.ng, ma` co^ tin tu+o+?ng nhu+ quye^?n Tha'nh Kinh, co^ du+.a
va`o ddo' dde^? le^n a'n Thie^n Chu'a Gia'o,  Co^ co' bie^'t ho.
la` ai kho^ng???   co^ co' bie^'t ho. la`m tay sai cho Pha'p, cho co^.ng Sa?n
kho^ng???   Co^ dda~ le^n a'n ho. chu+a????  To^i cu~ng kho^ng bie^'t
co^ co' cho^'ng co^.ng hay kho^ng nu+~a???? bo+?i vi` qua ba`i cu?a
co^ cu~ng nhu+ qu'a khu+' cu?a co^, to^i chu+a tha^'y ...??????????..........

CU.C DDA' TRONG MA('T MI`NH THI` KHO^NG THA^'Y,
CU+' LO CHU'T BU.I O+? MA('T NGU+O+`I??????????
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Co^ kho^ng ddu? kha? na(ng va` tu+ ca'ch dde^? da.y dda.o ddu+'c cho chu'ng
to^i, co^ co' nghi~ va^.y kho^ng????  Co^ ca`ng kho^ng ddu? kha? na(ng va`
dda.o ddu+'c dde^? da.y ddo+`i cho mo^.t to^n gia'o kha'c, co^ co' bao gio+` 
nghi~ nhu+ the^' kho^ng?????

Co^ nghi~ co^ ye^u da^n to^.c VN ho+n chu'ng to^i sao???? Va^.y co^ dda~ la`m
gi` cho da^n to^.c VN trong qu'a khu+' cu~ng nhu+ hie^.n nay?????
Co^ nghi~ co^ la` mo^.t vi. tha^`y, mo^.t nha` dda.i da^n to^.c, mo^.t nha`
dda.i ca'ch ma.nh, ddang da.y chu'ng to^i ca'ch ye^u nu+o+'c ddo' sao???
ddang da.y da^n Vie^.t ca'ch xa^y du+.ng va` ye^u nu+o+'c theo kie^?u mo+'i
cu?a co^ ddo' sao???   Co^ co' nghi~ co^ co' kha? na(ng va` tu+ ca'ch dde^?
da.y ngu+o+`i kha'c ye^u nu+o+'c sao?????   Cha('c co^ nghi~ ra(`ng, ca'ch
ye^u nu+o+'c cu?a co^ la` ca'ch hay nha^'t, ca^`n pha?i truye^`n ba'?????

La`m chi'nh tri., nhu+ lo+`i khuye^n cu?a co^ ne^n ddo.c sa'ch, Hie^?m
Ho.a Thie^n Chu'a Gia'o va` Thu+.c Da^n Da Tra('ng;  DDo' la` ca'ch
hay nha^'t dde^? xa^y du+.ng Vie^.t Nam ddo' sao?????    He^'t sa'ch
hay ho+n sa'ch ddo' sao???    Bo^. sa'ch ddo' da.y ca'ch, la`m sao
ddu+a nu+o+'c VN tu+` nghe`o ddo'i la.c ha^.u tro+? tha`nh gia`u co', 
tha`nh cu+o+`ng quo^'c sao????  Bo^. sa'ch ddo' da.y ca'ch la`m sao
ddo`an ke^'t da^n Vie^.t bi. pha^n hoa' bo+?i DDe^' quo^'c, Co^.ng Sa?n
bo+?i chie^'n tranh ga^y ra sao??????? Sa'ch ddo' da.y ca'ch dda'nh ngoa.i
bang hay nha^'t sao??? kho^ng co`n cuo^'n sa'ch na`o hay ho+n nu+~a???
DDa'nh Pha'p THua, cha('c nhu+~ng nha` ca'ch ma.ng cu~ng ddo.c cuo^'n 
sa'ch ddo'?????  DDa'nh cho My~ "cu't" dda'nh cho "Ngu.y Nha`o" cha('c
cu~ng pha?i ddo.c cuo^'n sa'ch ddo'???????

Cha('c to^i pha?i dde^? cuo^'n sa'ch na`y o+? dda^`u giu+o+`ng, dde^?
tro+? tha`nh nha` dda.i Ca'ch Ma.ng ??????????????...........

SHC


>Li.ch su+? truye^`n gia'o cu?a dda.o Thie^n  Chu'a la` mo^.t li.ch su+? 
>dda^~m ma'u vi` dde^? rao gia?ng Phu'c a^m gia'o ho^.i Thie^n chu'a 
>dda~ pha?i ca^'u ke^'t vo+'i gia(.c xa^m la(ng va` ta'ch ro+`i ti'n 
>ddo^` ra kho?i do`ng sinh me^.nh cu?a da^n to^.c dde^? tu+` ddo' tie^'p 
>tay gia(.c ddu+a dda^'t nu+o+'c va`o vo`ng no^ le^..
> 
>Du+.a va`o li.ch su+?, co' the^? ru't ra nhu+~ng ba`i ho.c gi` cho 
>tu+o+ng lai?
> 
>Ba?n cha^'t cu?a Thie^n Chu'a gia'o la` hu+~u tha^`n.  Ba?n cha^'t 
>cu?a Co^.ng Sa?n la` vo^ tha^`n. Nhu+ng ca? hai dde^`u la` Phi Da^n 
>To^.c va` Pha?n Da^n To^.c. La`m ca'ch ma.ng quang phu.c To^? quo^'c 
>pha?i na('m vu+~ng  li.ch su+? DDa.o Thie^n Chu'a dde^? tha^'y  ra(`ng 
>ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a  gia'o dda~ tu+`ng theo  le^.nh cu?a ngoa.i
>bang Vatican, to`a tha'nh La Ma~ pha?n bo^.i To^? quo^'c. Ngu+o+`i 
>Thie^n Chu'a gia'o tha` ma^'t nu+o+'c chu+' kho^ng tha` ma^'t Chu'a.  
>Tham vo.ng cu?a DDe^' quo^'c La Ma~ la` Thie^n Chu'a gia'o ho'a toa`n 
>the^' gio+'i dde^? bie^'n Vatican tha`nh mo^.t thu+' dde^' quo^'c 
>kho^ng bie^n gio+'i, mo^.t sa'ch lu+o+.c du`ng to^n gia'o dde^?
>thu+.c hie^.n tham vo.ng ba' chu? hoa`n ca^`u.
> 
>Nga`y na`o Ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a gia'o Vie^.t Nam co`n  le^. thuo^.c 
>DDe^' quo^'c La Ma~, thi` nga`y ddo' ho.  co`n phu.c tu`ng trie^.t dde^?  
>quye^`n lo+.i cho Vatican, cho tham vo.ng chi'nh tri. cu?a  ngoa.i nha^n. 
>Nhu+ dda~ cho tha^'y  ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a gia'o trung  tha`nh  tuye^.t  
>ddo^'i, mu` qua'ng vo+'i to`a tha'nh  (Pope  is infallible) ngay ca? 
>trong la~nh vu+.c kinh te^', chi'nh tri., va(n  ho'a.
> 
>Do ddo', ddu+`ng tu+o+?ng tho?a hie^.p vo+'i ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a 
>gia'o la` xa^y du+.ng lu+.c lu+o+.ng cho^'ng Co^.ng lo+'n ma.nh, vi` 
>ddo' la` the^' cho+i dao hai lu+o+~i, va` co' the^? chuo^'c la^'y ha^.u 
>qua? tai ha.i kho^ng lu+o+`ng cho ca? dda.i cuo^.c. Nhu+ su+? gia Pha.m 
>Va(n  So+n dda~ phe^ pha'n: "Ta ne^n nho+'  ra(`ng dda.o Gia To^ la`
>mo^.t dda.o co' to^? chu+'c cha(.t che~,  khi ga^y ddu+o+.c thu+.c 
>lu+.c vu+~ng va`ng ro^`i thi` a't ca? quye^`n vua chu'a..." (Vie^.t 
>Nam Tranh DDa^'u Su+? tr. 130-131). La^.t ddo^?  chi'nh quye^`n Co^.ng  
>Sa?n dde^? du+.ng  ne^n mo^.t chi'nh  quye^`n Thie^n Chu'a gia'o  
>cha(?ng kha'c gi`  thay the^' Ba.o chu'a  na`y ba(`ng mo^.t Ba.o chu'a 
>kha'c. E  ra(`ng thu+' Ba.o chu'a nhu+ Gia'o  ho^.i Vatican co`n ta`n 
>ddo^.c ho+n (vi` tinh vi ho+n). 
> 
>Khi  na`o thi` ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a gia'o thu+.c su+. tro+? ve^` ha`ng 
>ngu~ Da^n To^.c? thu+.c su+. na(`m trong do`ng  sinh me^.nh Da^n to^.c?
>thu+.c su+. dda^'u tranh cho dda^'t nu+o+'c? thu+.c su+. vinh nhu.c, 
>tha<ng tra^`m theo va^.n me^.nh To^? quo^'c? DDo' la` khi ngu+o+`i Thie^n 
>Chu'a gia'o bie^'t dda(.t quye^`n lo+.i To^? quo^'c le^n tre^n mo.i thu+'  
>quye^`n lo+.i ke^? ca? quye^`n lo+.i to^n  gia'o. Ngu+o+`i Thie^n Chu'a
>gia'o pha?i nho+' na<`m lo`ng ra<`ng Quye^`n lo+.i To^? quo^'c pha?i la` 
>quye^`n lo+.i to^'i thu+o+.ng - DDe^? chu+'ng to? ddie^`u ddo', ngu+o+`i
>Thie^n Chu'a gia'o tru+o+'c he^'t pha?i trang bi. mo^.t ta^m thu+'c Da^n 
>To^.c thu+.c hie^.n nhu+~ng ha`nh ddo^.ng cu. the^? nhu+ sau:
> 
>1. Co^ng khai xo'a bo? lo+`i nguye^`n "tha` ma^'t nu+o+'c chu+' kho^ng 
>   tha` ma^'t chu'a".
> 
>2. Vie^.t Nam ho'a to^n gia'o cu?a mi`nh, cha^'m du+'t nhu+~ng sinh
>   hoa.t to^n gia'o ga^y xa'o tro^.n trong xa~ ho^.i nhu+ cu+o+~ng
>   e'p ddo^?i dda.o.
> 
>3. Cha^'m du+'t mo^.t ca'ch tuye^.t  ddo^'i su+. le^. thuo^.c va`o Gia'o 
>   Ho^.i La Ma~ hay ba^'t ky` mo^.t gia'o ho^.i ngoa.i bang na`o.
> 
>Lu'c a^'y Gia'o Ho^.i Thie^n Chu'a Vie^.t Nam mo+'i thu+.c su+. cha^'m
>du+'t vo+'i qua' khu+' to^.i lo^~i va` co' the^? tham du+. va`o ca'c 
>sinh hoa.t quo^'c gia phu.c vu. To^? quo^'c trong nie^`m tin tu+o+?ng
>cu?a dda.i kho^'i Da^n To^.c -