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From: echi@cisco.com (Eric P. Chi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: TT video tape?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:29:41 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Inc., Menlo Park, Ca.
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HI,
	Does anyone know where I can rent some TT video tapes? Or where
is the best place to buy?

Thanks,

Eric.


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From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Effect of non-reglue rule on world rankings
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:58:59 GMT

It will be interesting to see what effect the no-reglue rule has on world
rankings.
Hypothosis 1 - Penholders will make a comeback because few shakehanders can
hit it thru without regluing.
Hypothesis 2 - Blockers will become more effective.  If they were able to
block a reglued hit, just think how well they will be able to block a
non re-glued it.
Hypothesis 3 - The Hungarian Discuss style forehand will make a comeback
because few shakehanders will be able to finish the point otherwise. This
should favor Korean and some Chinese shakehanders since Hungarian Hungarian
style players of world class seem to have disappeared.  (Maybe capatalism
is bad for table tennis!)
Hypothesis 4 - Null Hypothesis - no effect
 
   OK everybody put their forecasts in now, and in 4 or 5 months the
the best forecaster can bragg on the net.
   If this doesn't get some action on this net, I don't know what will.
                                             Bob Shain (Sha-in-Ping)
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From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Elite players and their equiptment
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:13:54 GMT

I don't know about currently but in the past they didn't.  Klampar use to play
with a old Dutch blade (the brand escapes me) when their was a Buttefly Klampar
 
In article <1hvqulINNsjh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
 
>
>Hi -
>    I have one question that has been bothering me for quite a while.
>Do the elite players (Top 20 or so) that have equiptment named after
>them actually use the equiptment themselves? In other words, if I go
>to a booth at a tournament and pick up a Waldner, Persson, Appelgren,
>Grubba, Primorac, Gatien etc. blade, is it the same blade that the
>players themselves use? Or do the elite players play with custom made
>blades?
>
>Thanks
> -Alex
>
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From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Making a paddle.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:38:28 GMT

This is a most difficult task.  If you are talking about a 1 ply racket, I
assume you are talking about Japanese Hinoki Wood.  If you examine a
hinoki wood racket carefully, you will find that the wood is spliced so that
the grain is nearly vertical when you look at the edge from the top.  Also,
unless you are a Japanese-style penholder who wants a square racket, you will
find that round Hinoki racket play terrible compared to square ones. That is
they don't hold the ball onto the racket for a good loop.  Fifteen years ago I
got Tamasu Co (Butterfly brand) to send me a blank piece of Hinoki wood so I
could make my own racket.  However, I switched to Chinese-grip penholder and
lost interest in the project.
  You may be interested to know that racket manufacturers take control of the
wood AS A LOG.  The only sucessful homemade racket I ever saw belonged to a
Hungarian student from Budapest.  He said a Budapest architect made it for
him.  It played better than anything I have ever hit with!
   Anyway, if I can help, let me know.  Good luck.
 
Robert B. Shain                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG
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In article <ckuan.726528770@sfu.ca>
ckuan@fraser.sfu.ca (Chiow Min Kuan) writes:
 
>
>
>
>Hi, everybody. I would like to make a paddle for myself. Anyone of you have the experience of making one?
>What I have in mind is making a 1-ply paddle, penhold, and suitable for offensive (not rude, :-) ) player.
>Any ideas about this matter? Please post them in this newsgroup, or e-mail me.
>
>Thank you.
>
>- Chiow Min Kuan,
>  e-mail: ckuan@sfu.ca
>
From: spsisira@sgife5 (Sisira Y. Jayasinghe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Information on TT equipment mail order companies
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:05:06 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I am interested in information on mail order companies who sell
Table-Tennis equipment. If you have your favorite place, I would
like to hear from you about it.

Your information is much appreciated.

Sisira.

Sisira Jayasinghe                         sisira.jayasinghe@sdrc.sdrc.com
Sr. Technical Development Engineer
Structural Dynamics Research Corporation
2000 Eastman Dr. Milford OH 45150 USA
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From: asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Arijit Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Question on serve
Organization: Indiana University
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:39:42 GMT

Eric Liu (liu10@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
: When I was playing my friend this afternoon, he told me when I serve, I need
: to toss the ball at least 2 cm away from my hand in order for the serve to
: be legal.  Is this true?  Thanks in advance for the answer.  

: Eric

Not only 2cm, it is supposed to be tossed up at least 15 cm (6
in). Ref. USTTF rule no. 7, as follows :

7       Service

7.1     At the start of service the ball shall rest freely on the 
        open, flat palm of the free hand and shall be stationary, 
        above the level of the playing surface and behind the server's 
        end line.

7.2     The ball and the racket shall be above the level of the playing
        surface and behind the end line of the server's court or an 
        imaginary extension thereof from the last moment at which the 
        ball is stationary on the palm of the free hand until the ball 
        is struck in service.

7.3     The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards,
        by hand only and without imparting spin, so that it rises at 
        least 6 inches after leaving the palm of the hand.
              ^^^^^^^^
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From: ddaniel@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Bromberg)
Subject: table tennis at MIT
Keywords: MIT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:42:52 GMT

(I am new to this newsgroup)

Does anyone know about clubs, organizations, e-mail lists, regular mail lists, etc
at MIT or in the Boston area? I am trying to get more involved in the sport but
find many people know little to nothing about what I am talking about. Anyone in
the area who has a racquet to sell I would also be interested in talking to.

Thanks,
Ddaniel@athena.mit.edu
From: donh@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Don Holzworth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Effect of non-reglue rule on world rankings
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:36:37 GMT
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale, FL
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In article <16B4DD2B3.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org>, M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
|> It will be interesting to see what effect the no-reglue rule has on world
|> rankings.
|> Hypothosis 1 - Penholders will make a comeback because few shakehanders can
|> hit it thru without regluing.

Penholders were moving down before the regluing craze, so I don't think there
will be a significant resurgence due to no regluing.

|> Hypothesis 2 - Blockers will become more effective.  If they were able to
|> block a reglued hit, just think how well they will be able to block a
|> non re-glued it.

Blockers (or mostly defensive players) haven't been seen in any numbers
since the early 1950's, so no reason to suspect any change due to no
regluing here.

|> Hypothesis 3 - The Hungarian Discuss style forehand will make a comeback
|> because few shakehanders will be able to finish the point otherwise. This
|> should favor Korean and some Chinese shakehanders since Hungarian Hungarian
|> style players of world class seem to have disappeared.  (Maybe capatalism
|> is bad for table tennis!)

See comments for hypothesis 1.

|> Hypothesis 4 - Null Hypothesis - no effect

If "no effect" means "little effect", this is the one I vote for.

|>  
|>    OK everybody put their forecasts in now, and in 4 or 5 months the
|> the best forecaster can bragg on the net.
|>    If this doesn't get some action on this net, I don't know what will.
|>                                              Bob Shain (Sha-in-Ping)
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From: jpark@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jae H. Park)
Subject: Elite players and their equipment
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:15:04 GMT

	This is a follow up article.
The answer to the question whether players actually use equipment
that are named after them is -- some do, some don't.
Some of the "named" equipment are merely paid endorsements. For 
example, JUIC has shakehand blades named Kalinic, but Kalinic 
uses a penholder blade. So you can be assured that J.Kalinic
DOES NOT use this blade. Many of the named equipment are in similar
status.
On the other hand, some are acutally used by its name bearer. A fine
example is J.O.Waldner. YES, he uses the same blade that bears his 
name( actually, it was custom designed to fit his needs, and he was
actively involved in designing it, then they decided to market it.)
He also uses the rubber that bears his name, WALDI(J.O.'s nickname)
This rubber was also custom designed to fit his specific needs.
From: spsisira@sgife5 (Sisira Y. Jayasinghe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: TT Racquet (Paddle) recommendations sought
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:31:58 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I would like to replace my 10 year old racquet and have no idea 
about the new models. I consider myself to be an intermediate player.

Your recommendations are most welcome.

Sisira.


Sisira Jayasinghe                         sisira.jayasinghe@sdrc.sdrc.com
Sr. Technical Development Engineer
Structural Dynamics Research Corporation
2000 Eastman Dr. Milford OH 45150 USA
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Making a paddle.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:34:17 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
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Originator: ajchien@monet.dmsv.med.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan11.143949.27094@uicc.com>, neidorff@uicc.com (Bob Neidorff) writes:
|> 
|> Friends have made paddles very differently.  They buy thin hobby
|> plywood and THICK hobby balsawood.  They glue the plywood as top
|> and bottom veneer over the balsawood core.  The paddles that they
|> make come out light because of the balsa and fast because of the strong
|> plywood "skins".  The furniture industry refers to this style of
|> construction as a torsion box, a weak core and strong skins.
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Could you explain further why it's called a torsion box?


|> It has only one weakness: it wears out faster than a normal paddle.


How does it wear out faster? And what happens when the performance of
the bat drops?


|> However, it is cheap, easy to make, and allows you to "tune" performance
|> by adjusting the balsa thickness.
|> 
|> Happy Paddle Making!
|> 
|> -- 
|> Bob Neidorff; Unitrode I. C. Corp.  |  Internet: neidorff@uicc.com
|> 7 Continental Blvd.                 |  Voice   : (US) 603-424-2410
|> Merrimack, NH  03054-0399 USA       |  FAX     : (US) 603-424-3460

-Alex
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: sandiway@research.nj.nec.com (Sandiway Fong)
Subject: Re: table tennis at MIT
Originator: sandiway@gb
Keywords: MIT
Reply-To: sandiway@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:59:19 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.184252.13211@athena.mit.edu>, ddaniel@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Bromberg) writes:
|> (I am new to this newsgroup)
|> 
|> Does anyone know about clubs, organizations, e-mail lists, regular mail lists, etc
|> at MIT or in the Boston area? I am trying to get more involved in the sport but
|> find many people know little to nothing about what I am talking about. 

You're lucky. MIT itself has a good club. Meets in DuPont Gym in the T-club
lounge. Term time hours are usually 8-10pm Fridays and 6-10pm Saturdays (at
least when I was around).  Anybody there will tell you more about how to get
mail-order equipment, other clubs (at least two others) and tournaments in the
Boston area. There also used to be a table tennis class, not sure if this is
given anymore.

Sandiway

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: : Making a paddle.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:37:07 GMT

"All things are simple to those who know"
 
           "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea"
Robert B. Shain                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG
The MITRE Corporation                        Voice: (703)883-5592
Center for Intellignence & Special Programs  FAX: (703)883-6991
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                                       "My other sport is ping pong"
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Pressure Sealing of high speed train(sets)
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:43:05 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <726485174snx@warren.demon.co.uk>, leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
(Nick Leverton) writes, in part:

>I believe TGV's, like DB's ICE, are pressure-sealed to prevent, err,
>blowbacks, amongst other adverse passenger reactions to pressure pulses.
	I believe non of the existing production TGV sets are sealed.  One of
	the existing protos may be, and future sets, in general will be, as I
	understand it.  (This includes the "three captitols" Chunnel sets).
	Something about passing trains in a 2o odd mi tunnel (Yes, I know,
	separate bores, etc...))

	ICE sets included pressure sealing in the original design.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
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"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: P.H.MIRICK@larc.nasa.gov (p.h.mirick)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: U25B
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:20:09 GMT
Organization: NASA
Distribution: world
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Maine Central obtained 14 used U25Bs from Rock Island in June of 80.  From
these   14 units they built 9 operational units.  Rock Island unit numbers
were 225-238.  Maine Central retained the same unit numbers.  Operational
unit numbers were 225, 226, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 234, aand 238.  Unit
231 was distroyed in a wreck in 1987.  All units had the U25B phase IV
carbody and were built in 9/10 1965.  This information was obtained from
the books "Before Guilford" by Preston Cook and "Guilford, Five Years of
Change" by Scott Hartley and Issue #86 of Extro 2200 South which has a
complete history of all Maine Central units.  Another good source of
information about the U25B are the July and August 1987 issues of Railroad
Model Craftsman which details the history of the development of the U25B
and includes drawings of the different phase carbodies.  If you need more
information please contact me by e-mail at p.h.mirick@larc.nasa.gov.       
         Paul

    
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: Looking for Rail Magazines
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:39:20 GMT

In article <C00z3z.1DA@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>
organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic) writes:
 
>
>I'm looking for magazines for and about railfaning....
>Can anybody E-mail or post a suggestion or two?
>
>Thanks E-Mail organic@mgr.hjf.org
 
Commercial publications include:
 
      Railpace   -   IMHO the best, but deals only with Northeastern US and
                          to a limited extent Eastern Canada.
 
      Trains     -   The traditional standard, but has slipped lately.
 
      Railfan & Railroad -  The merger of two oldewr publications, is now
                               better than either one had been.
 
      Passenger Train Journal  -  no comment, I don't regularly see it.
 
      New Electric Railway Journal  -  studies and promotes electric transit.
 
 
Beside this, most all railfan clubs (chapters of the NRHS, Divisions of the RRE
and other specialized organizations) publish newlsetters of widely varying
style and quality.  If you have any specific interests, let me know and I'll
attempt to give you names and addresses of clubs in your geographic area and/or
that specialize in the railroad(s) you're interested in.
 
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
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From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: SIAM & RRSWV5
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:16:42 CST

In article <726186876.AA09577@csource.oz.au> Tom.Steadman@f337.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Tom Steadman) writes:
>ANY ONE ELSE TRIED THESE GREAT PROGRAMS.. THERE NOTHING BUT THE BEST. GOT A
>RATTING OF 86& ON PENZANCE AND HIGHLAND, 50% AT CREW AND GOT FIRED AT
>PADDINGTON OH WELL NEED MORE PRATICE DON'T I. RRSWV5 IS SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN
>VERSION 4. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.
> 
> 
>       HAPPY RAILROADING
>                TOM
>
>
> * Origin: Trackside BBS (3:632/337.0)

  I agree. I have tried all four and my favorite is the Penzance scenario.
In fact, during the holiday break, I visited some friends in Cornwall and
ended up going to Penzance on New Year's Eve. Rode down in a DMU from
Bodmin Parkway, and from Truro to Penzance, the driver let me sit opposite
him in the cab. I used this opportunity to videotape the ride. The track
layout is fairly close to the simulation, and I was able to discern
Longrock, Posandane Yard, and the positions CL, SW, BE, B1 and B2. The
nicest surprise was that the shunter 08644 is still there! Having done
the simulation quite a few times, it seemed like an old friend. I am
looking forward to visiting Crewe to see if it is represented as
well as Penzance. 

  I have found a bug that drove me nuts. I pulled a string of coaches
from PY to CL and uncoupled the shunter. Then I was distracted by a 
family member, and called up a class 50 and directed it to CL. Now I 
have the shunter, the coaches and the class 50 all in CL. When I tried
to get the shunter out, it acted as if it did not exist. The only way
to move anything was to couple the '50' to the coaches and move the consist
to the platform. After doing that, the shunter disappeared! I could not
locate it anywhere, and then the blasted yard requested it back! Needless
to say I wound up quitting as with no shunter there wasn't a whole lot
left to do.

  Is the other program, RRSWV5, available anywhere online?

Randy Lambertus               Cray Research, Region 4            rl@uk.cray.com
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From: x90ochs2@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX GP30 sighted
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:38:58 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <930105135110@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.202410.10030@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
> 
>>     The last 2 trips down to Southern West Virginia I've made in the last
>>couple of months, I've come away with a strange sighting.  It seems there
>>is a GP-30 doing pusher service on the Allegheny section of CSX between
>>Hinton - Ronceverte - Clifton Forge.  The first time I saw the unit, it was
>>painted entirely light grey with no markings.  When I saw it last week, they
>>had painted a blue CSX on the side.  Anyone like to comment?
> 
> sounds like on of the re-assigned RF&P units. they are dark blue and grey .
>  . 

sorry, but RF&P doesn't (didn't) have any GP30's. They had SW1500's, GP35's
GP40's and GP40-2's. They used to have some SW1200, but I think they were
retired, since CSX merged RF&P, and CSX doesn't have any switchers older
than SW1500's they probably didn't want them. An interesting note though...
CSX is keeping the GP35's. A couple have already been renumbered into the CSX
numbering scheme. They numbered them on top of the original GP35's which ended
at 4424. The ex-RF&P are gonna be 4426-4429, a couple have already been 
renumbered. 4427 and 4429 I think. The SW1500's have already been renumbered,
on top of the SW1500's around 1300 something, and some of the GP40's also were
renumbered on top of the CSX GP40's at 6856 and above I think, and the
GP40-2's at 6393-6399. 
(This information came from the C&O Historical Society magazine)


Fred Ochs
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ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (unix)
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