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From: B7XS <B7XS@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: missed episodes
Organization: McGill University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:44:33 GMT

Please help! I have missed a few episodes between when
Dylan leaves town to get away aswell as the whole Steve
computer thing to the episode of 12/16/92.
From: liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress General)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re:  the video
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:27:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


In article <1992Dec15.203507.19219@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>
>Of course, 'African-American' is just as acceptible as 'black'.  But I
>feel that the two terms carry different connotations, culturally.
>

What's wrong with "American"?

Sheesh...


						--Liz

--
bite me, fan boy
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: jennings@antwrp.antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov (Don Jennings)
Subject: Nikki is Gone!?!?!
Organization: Compton Gamma Ray Observatory Science Support Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:22:54 GMT

Did someone mention that Nikki has been written out of the show? Did the
idiot writer that made up the useless, sickeningly sweet character die, or did 
the producers finally come to their senses? Either way, her departure is an 
excellent Christmas present.

DEATH TO NIKKI, LONG LIVE BRENDA! (thats going to go over well, I'm sure)
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:57:10 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Phoebe Moore (phoebe@pop.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
> You know, I might be the only one in the universe, but I don't hate Brenda.

I personally like and respect Brenda as she was developed up until the
Summer of 90210 this year.  I don't know what I would think of her if I
didn't start watching the show until then.  I don't think she's been a
bitch, because I feel like I know her, and I know she's not a bitch, and
I interpret her actions accordingly.


>  Yes, she is whiny.  But I think, in the whole situation with Kelly and
> Dylan that Kelly was the villain.
> [ stuff deleted ]
> Does anyone else feel this way?

I've said in the past that I thought it was Dylan's fault mainly, because
he pursued Kelly despite her attempts to dissuade him, and because he
took advantage of her crush on him, which severly impaired her ability to
resist his advances.  Besides that I empathize with Kelly a lot more than
with Dylan.

However, in a certain anachronistic ultra-conservative context, I might
make an assertion that it is the responsibility of the woman to resist
the advances of the man in this situation, and in that context I would
agree that it's Kelly's fault.  Fortunately for me, I'm not dumb enough
to actually say that.  But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's
the only reason it could be Kelly's fault.


> In article <1ghhesINNptj@athena.sdsu.edu>, larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry
> Riedel) wrote:
> > Personally, I think she thought that she could get away with not
> > playing the sycophant game at the studio, and now she's found out the
> > hard way that she can't.

> What are the sources here, besides the National Enquirer?  Did People
> magazine say something about this?  I'm just curious about where we got
> this idea.

It's my personal opinion - any similarity to other opinions is purely
coincidental.  But I certainly wouldn't base my opinion on something I
read in the National Enquirer or People magazine.


> Also, I think booing someone on stage is pretty damn "bitchy" too...why are
> we glad that other people are acting badly to Shannen when we are angry at
> her for acting badly to others?

Why are we always glad when the bad guy gets killed at the end of the
movie, or disappointed when he doesn't?  Vicarious revenge maybe?

Please excuse my use of a gender-specific pronoun in the previous
paragraph, but if I'm not mistaken, it is acceptable to use masculine
pronouns in a disparaging context.


Larry
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE Wademeister)
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:53:55 GMT

ikuz@cs.vu.nl (Kuz I) writes:

>I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
>they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
>true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
>to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.

>The only reason why I watch it is because it's the funniest show 
>on tv now ( especially when they're trying to be serious ).  Well here
>in Holland we're still pretty far behind but maybe in the newer 
>episodes ( I hope not ) the acting will get better and I'll have
>to find another comedy show to make me laugh.  

>ciao
>	Ihor.

Ya there serious,and oddly enough thay are the same pepole who post to
the Dogie Howser, and the alt.fandick vanpatten groups.
                                                   -wade-
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From: st891054@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rand)
Subject: I missed tonite's
Reply-To: st891054@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:58:39 GMT

I'm kind of upset that I missed tonite's episode, but I heard
that the whole It's A Wonderful Life nauseousness was played out.

Anyway, am I the only person who really wants Kelly to wake up
to what a twit Dylan is?  I think she's too good for him.  I
figure Dylan and Brenda should get married and have irritating
super narcissistic kids.

-David Kaufman
ST891054@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
sig files are against my religion.
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:58:56 -0500 
From: Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Are you serious

Excerpts from n.a.tv.bh90210: 11-Dec-92 Are you serious by Kuz I@cs.vu.nl
 
>I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
>they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
>true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
>to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.

Two words:

Jennie Garth

Chris

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                                                 (412) 268-8372
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Soundtrack, in reality
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:08:01 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> 	Since the 9021zero soundtrack (IMHO) doesn't really reflect what is actually played on the shows, could somebody (or everybody) help me think of stuff that HAS been played on TV.  So far, all I remember is:
> 		Soho:		HippyChick  (Brenda moves out/Brandon's first..)
> 
> 		REM		LosingMyReligion ("Dylan, we should break up..)
> 
> Anybody else have any favourites?  I'm thinking of putting my own compilation tape together.  I'd like to have the theme on CD, but am really not to keen on the other stuff.  Just one fanboy's musical taste.  I don't want to start a war about what is'nt

Jade  		- I wanna love you down
Sophie B 	- Damn, I wish I was your lover

--
Antony
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:15:52 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Terence Mark (tmark@cognet.ucla.edu) wrote:
>
> [ Lots of "comments" deleted ]
>
> I once knew a person (and I know there are many more) who honestly
> believed that the wrestling and story lines depicted in the
> World Wrestling Federation shows were 'real'.
>
> I *assume* that most of us would agree that professional wrestling
> is *not* realistic (maybe not a safe assumption in this group), just
> like I *assume* most of us here would agree that the situations portrayed
> in,say, Gilligan's Island are not realistic. If one was, however, to find 
> someone who *did* think these shows were realistic, would that then
> render them any *less* UN-realistic ? Or might we better conclude that  
> there was something off-center about that person's judgement ? 


Since professional wrestling isn't attempting to depict real life
situations, it doesn't make much sense to apply the terms "realistic"
or "unrealistic" without a frame of reference for comparison.  Whether
or not it is "real" is a completely different issue.  So it doesn't
make a very good strawman to refute assertions that 90210 is
realistic.

Unless there is significant evidence to the contrary, there is no
reason to assume that normal adults think that the characters or
situations on Gilligan's Island are realistic, or that the writers of
the show intended to depict lifelike situations.  So it doesn't make a
very good strawman to refute assertions that 90210 is realistic.

Anecdotal evidence of aberrant behavior doesn't really support an
assertion that 90210 is unrealistic, and no one in this newsgroup has
made any statements about the implications of the beliefs or perceptions
of people who exhibit that behavior.  Nor has anyone claimed here that
90210 is "real."


Larry
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,yale.opie
From: warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)
Subject: Re: Get real!
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.fan.heathers
Keywords: 90210 train bus physics collision heathers opie
Organization: Mail Forwarding Department, Yale College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:19:57 GMT

In article <1gp54qINNsli@athena.sdsu.edu>
larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

>Oh, it was so UNREALISTIC the way that trash truck went right through
>the bus!  I mean who are they trying to fool!  Those things don't happen
>in real life!

And later, in article <1gqeppINN5bt@athena.sdsu.edu>, he writes:

>Robert Lynn Ridenour (ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>
>> Well, after tonight's episode, I guess nobody can argue
>> that 90210 is realistic anymore, huh?
>
>Boy, that's for sure.  Did you see the trash truck go through
>the school bus?  Things like that don't happen in real life.
>
>I mean, who are they trying to kid?

[Several other train/bus collision references not included]

Larry, how many times do we have to tell you -- Christmas miracles
are well-documented, scientific FACTS.  Haven't you ever seen 
'It's a Wonderful Life?'  It's almost as good as Heathers.


Happy non-denominational Winter Solstice Holiday Season,

Matt

-- 
Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:55:41 -0500 
From: Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Are you serious
	<Bz7LrF.HwJ@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>


cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) writes:

>cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:
> 
>>Excerpts from n.a.tv.bh90210: 11-Dec-92 Are you serious by Kuz I@cs.vu.nl
>> 
>>> [stuff about: How can anyone watch this show? deleted]
>>
>>Two words:
> 
>>Jennie Garth
> 
>I think she's attractive, but is that any reason to put yourself through
>the torture of watching the rest of that show???

One word:

Yes!

My entire suite watches the show religiously.  We enjoy the story lines,
because they're kind of cheesy, etc., but the MAIN reason for most of us
is Kelly.  Wow.  When she was on Arsenio--WOW!  She's a vision.  Attractive,
nice (she DID buy her parents a new house), attractive, polite, attractive,
good-natured, attractive, good sense of humor, and attractive.

A total babe!

When I'm down, one sparkling dream fills the void of my soul:
Jennie Garth Stengel

Has a nice ring... :)

Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: the video
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:39:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.132458.442@uoft02.utoledo.edu> sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu  writes:
>
>kimber@athena.mit.edu (Kimberly Jackson) writes:
>: 
>: My friends and I all think this sound tract and video thing is sort of bugged.
>: 
>: We've been die hard 90210 fans since day one, and almost died and went to 
>: heaven when they had the black family on for one episode (actually I remember
>: the son on another episode or two).  Anyway, now they have a little black 
>: kid as a nerd and an object for Steve to step on.  My question is, Why do all 
>	I kind of think that the presence of a black "nerd" goes a long way 
>	toward breaking many stereotypes about the intellectual abilities and
>	academic interests of black teens.  
>: 
>: Question #2:  You get a black artist to do a song (Shanice) and suddenly the
>: backdrop of the video (I think we are to assume it as West Beverly High) 
>: is full of black people.  Where did they all come from? Is it a plot to keep 
>: the black audience satisfied?. . .if we were looking for that, we would have 
>: stopped watching this show a long time ago. . .
>
>	I agree that the show doesn't provide a good racial mix, but that
>	makes it like 99% of the stuff on TV today.  Unfortunate, but by no
>	means a uniques situation.  
>
>--
>Steven S. Brack        |"But the greatest of|   sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
>2021 Roanwood Drive    | these is love."    |  STU0061@uoft01.BITNET 
>Toledo, OH  43613-1605 \____________________/    brack@uoftcse.cse.utoledo.edu 
>+1 419 GR4 1010        |  MY OWN  OPINIONS  |   sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu 

Sad, but too true.  For further food for thought (what's that?):
Why are there no Asian Americans?  Asian Americans are approximately
10% of the California population (more than blacks), and there are tons
of Asian Americans in the real Beverly Hills.
						--Alan Hu
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Brenda as Elvira (was Re: Brenda on Billboard Music Awards)
Summary: She'll never come close to Elvira!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:01:19 GMT

In article <faubt4x@Unify.Com> sse@Unify.com (Susan Evans) writes:
>Phil Collins announced that the next presenter would be Shannen Doherty.
>(I didn't hear her name.)  Suddenly I saw this woman who looked like
>Elvira.  (She really looked kind of trashy to me.  Her hair was in her
>eyes and she was wearing a leather black halter top.)

She's been doing that Elvira thing a lot lately.  I seem to remember
that she answered the door as Elvira on the Thanksgiving show.

>Susan
>sse@unify.com

--scoT

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From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:59:32 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Terence Mark (tmark@cognet.ucla.edu) wrote:
>                                                     It's one thing to say
> one enjoys watching 90210 - I personally enjoy watching lots of garbage too -
> but it's another thing entirely to say the program is realistic. It is not.

It is too.


> It's also another thing to say the show is well written - it is not.

It is too.


Gee, this is getting fun.  It kind of reminds me of a line from
my favorite movie, "Heathers."  I think it goes - "Did too!  Did not!
Did too!  Did not!  Did too!  Did not!  Did too!  Mary had a little
Lamb, little lamb, little lamb..."


Larry
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: dlee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Lee)
Subject: California University (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:42:49 GMT

In article <1gteltINNgrb@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>ROBERT MACKENNA (rjm1@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
>> I do believe (and one of you Left Coast types correct me if I'm wrong)
>> (That's you, Larry :-) ) there is no such thing as "California
>> University".
>
>You're right, not per se.

However, there is a California University in _Pennsylvania_ - how it got its
name I'm not sure.

David

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From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: DONNA FINALLY GETS HER DAY!,12/16 show
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:25:21 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Richard Michael Shindle (shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> 1) Could Steve change and be a decent guy or was it the Christmas thing.

Steve is a pretty decent guy - he just has a lot of faults.  Plus he's
got a new haircut (or did I just not notice until this episode), which
might be just what he needed to make him a wonderful guy.  Oh, maybe he
should grow some sideburns too.


> 2) Again I must say, Brenda may be a bitch, she may be whiny, but if you
> mute the tv when she is on and just look, God! - What a Babe!

Could the tide be turning?  Could we be going back to eight months ago
when the show had been on for two seasons and nobody was saying that
Brenda was a bitch?  Naa.


Larry
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: mikec@hfglobe.intel.com (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: They dissed her?
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:29:39 GMT

sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shiv Swarup Pathak) writes:


>   Earlier this week, I watched the Music Awards (Yuck!).  Sometime
>during the middle I left to go to my room to admire the picture of Luke
>Perry I have on my wall (he is, by far, the coolest guy on earth.. I
>wan't to be just like him!).  During this time I heard that Shannon
>Dougherty(sp) presented an award to someone.  I also heard that she was
>booed most vehemently when she came out.  Is this true?  If so, I'm very
>happy.  Could someone please describe what happened and the look on her
>hideous face.  Thanks!

Well, I tell you, she did that little purse-lipped snear we all know
and hate so much. Frankly, her getting booed was the hightlight of what
had to be THE weakest music awards show in decades.

I think they should kill her off on bh90210.

Mike.

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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: UC or not UC - NOT! (Should be: Class of '96) (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:50:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec18.121938.2995@cs.ucla.edu> dlee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Lee) writes:
>
>If you ever visit the East Bay, you'll find that the Berkeley Campus of the 
>University of California is quite often referred to as UC or the 
>"University of California".  I'll just leave it at that.  For now (8-).

This is true.  The campus at Berkeley is the original University of
California and thus retains the name.

To make an analogy:
If you say you go to "Colorado," it means you attend to the University of
Colorado Campus in Boulder.  NOT Colorado Springs or Denver.
>
>>
>>--WFT
>>GO BEARS!
>
>Couldn't the Cal Bears beat Stanford just once at the "Big Game"?  Ah well.
>
>David
>Los Angeles, CA 90024-1597                     (310) 839-0373

No, but Cal has beaten the UCLA Bruins for 3 years in a row.

William F. Tell
From: gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ginamaria Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: dylan is slime! was: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:09:16 GMT
Organization: UB

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <BzA066.3uK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu
>(Ginamaria Klein) wrote:

>> dylan is a complete jerk and not a moody-but-basically-sweet-guy.

>'Dylan' is someone who would very much like to have been James Dean, 
>but is not (James Dean would not prance around in TeenBeat...).

>Brandon, however, is to *die* for.

>To *die* for...


hear hear!
brandon is HOT---
the hottest male on the show, at least!
and sexy too...
not in  a contrived manner, either...
(aka: it doesnt take as much for brandon to be sexy as it does doofus, i mean 
dylan)

gina
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: music
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:09:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <16DEC199223464124@jane.uh.edu> st1y4@jane.uh.edu (Ann) writes:
>Who was that singing at the end of the show?
>
>Is that the new song everyone keeps talking about?

Yes, that is the yukky song by Shanice (according to net.sources) that
people have been talking about for a while.

Which is not nearly as disturbing to me as the fact that the local pop
station here in Durham has actually started to play the damn thing
as part of its regular playlist!  Gross!  If this song catches on like
that cheezy song from "The Heights" (alienating a whole group of readers
who right now are saying to themselves, "Hey, I LIKED that song"...)  I
think I'm gonna... I'm gonna... Well, I'm not gonna DO anything, but
I'll be REALLY REALLY annoyed.

Sheesh.  As if that dumb Whitney Houston song wasn't ALREADY on every
time I turned on the damn radio...

- Rob Mac K


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