HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:52:19 GMT

cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>I don't know if it is internalised homophobia, brainwashing or what,
>but I do find the thinking[%] about sex with a motss to be less
>appealing than thinking[%] about sex with a motos. I suspect that one
>reason for this is that, from hetero-erotic scenes in films, books
>etc., I have absorbed the notion that sex with a motos will be good,
>but there have been very few homo-erotic scenes in films, books etc. to
>present me with the notion that sex with a motss could also be good.

Well good grief.  Maybe you're just not as much interested in men as
women?  I don't see why you have to find reasons for it.  I certainly
don't spend much time worrying about not finding women attractive.
(Any more.)  Perhaps you could take a course of Kinsey injections?

,
Eamonn, on his monthly intrusion into soc.bi
Xref: sparky soc.bi:4241 soc.motss:19561
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Monthly posting: Bi Activists Resource List
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Apr8.001040.24195@osf.org> alan@ninja.osf.org ("Alan Hamilton") writes:
>_Bi Us_ magazine.  5 pounds for 4 issues, Bi-Us, PO Box 1912, London
>N16 5AU, England.  Please make cheques payable to Melting Pot Publishing.
>(Non-UK subs may be higher.)

I think this has died.

Dave.
--
 Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni.      db%dcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk

Authority is arbitrary.          Nobody is normal.         Assume nothing.
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi="fad"? and out on campus.
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:17:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr14.011754.8120
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr13.172945.900@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive dude.) writes:
> Then, just this afternoon, I gave a 
>presentation of my paper topic for my senior seminar...45 minutes!  It was 
>on "Prjudice and Discrimination Towards and Among Lesbians, Gays, and 
>Bisexuals", the "among" referring to bi-phobia and misogyny among gay (and 
>bi) men.  I dropped so many "we"'s without even meaning to....but it's a 
>cool class, and I'm out to most of the school anyway.

Congradulations!  I hope it went fabulous!

>	How have the rest of you handled being out on campus?

There's out and about, and out academically.  For the first one, well,
my SO is a jeweller, so I always have a new pin to wear. The last couple
were a big green and pink pin that said queer, and big one of two androgyns
holding hands over a pink triangle.  I also wear gay pride t-shirts alot.
I try not to be amused at the looks on people's faces as they read my t-shirts.
(It doesn't help that I am a Big Girl (tm) and have breasts to match, so some
of them are hard to read around the curvature of the canvas...

Academically: Last quarter for a tech writing class we got to chose a topic for a
brochure, so I convinced my straight teamates to do one advertising the AIDS
vaccine study (that I'm a guinea pig for) here at the Uof W. As part of the     
project, we all discuss our work.  I must have explained silence=death 20 times,
each time getting more and more upset/confused/pissed off that a symbol I thought
was 'everywhere' was nowhere to these people, many of whom were in their 20's
30's and 40's.
	For medieaval history classes (My *other* major) I have read aloud from
Boswell, done reports on Medieaval nuns and on the significance of blood in
Renaissance painting.

I enjoy doing this; everytime I hear a college student say "I don't know any
gay people," I have a *brief* flash of anger at the kids playing it safe.  Sure
it has occured to me that my grades might be affected, but compared to Real Life
(tm) consequences, I got no troubles.  I feel I do alot of education, while I
am waiting for the piece of paper that sez I got mine.
>
>	*HUG*s (and whatever else I am permitted),

Everything is permitted...  *HUGs back*

>Max Handelsman, Drew University       | MHANDELS@DREW.{DREW.EDU,BITNET}
>"An it harm none, do what thou wilt." | MAX@DRYCAS.{CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU,BITNET}
>"Deesclaimer? We don' need no         | MHANDELS@ISIS.CS.DU.EDU
> steenking deesclaimer!"              | This space rented by Squire Phish.
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Ann Landers
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:38:43 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In article <01010066.0vf54w@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>My reaction to the idea of someone having an abortion because a
>test showed that the child would be gay is the this is a person who
>should not (in my own opinion) be having children in the first place.  

Of course. But we wouldn't want to require a licence to have kids,
would we? (well maybe, but due to other causes). Btw, this makes me
think about the gross inequality between people who want to make kids
and people who want to adopt them.

>Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
From: max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive dude.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dominos (was: De-muffining, me too!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:16:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Apr14.171627.909
Organization: The Loonie Bin

>> Anyone for a NE get-together?
> 
> ME!, me me me!!!! This way it'll be closer, but hey the Seattle orgy (oops,
> I mean con) is already in the makings.
> 
>>		-Max
> 
> Nick 

	Yeah, I don't remember if there was an open invitation to the 
Seattle...um, whatever, <wink> but I don't know if I could make it in 
August.  I'll probably be around Texas by then (I'm driving around the 
country).  But anything here I can probably fly back for, and visit the 
'rents (who I'm out to, but might not appreciate an orgy in their living 
room).
	So, any ideas for a NE...um, gathering?

Max Handelsman, Drew University     | "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
MHANDELS@DREW.{DREW.EDU,BITNET}     | "Deesclaimer? We don' need no
MAX@DRYCAS.{CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU,BITNET} |  steenking deesclaimer!"
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:56:04 GMT

db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:

>Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...

Mmmmmm that was nice! Nooooo stopp, it tickles.  Silly, didn't mean stop.
Some more pleeeeease! 

Iseult.
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:20:02 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster


 tcg8@aber.ac.uk (Telsa Christina Gwynne) writes:

> In that case, does being born with a mass of red hair and suffering
> it all to fall out and then having brown when it regrows count? :-(
> My mum's hair is red, and I've always been jealous. Neither of us take
> after her.

hehe. We'll include you by default anyway, dear. Sara's put you on the list of
invitees for the long-delayed Edinburgh female orgy, which might well happen as
one of the adjuncts to the Official Edinburgh Bi Orgy.
 
Is your mother cute then? |-)

> (Oh, the other of "us" is my sister, who sulked at me on the phone
> when I told her I had beaten her to demuffining. She says I have to
> say "hi" and <hugs> to you all, until she gets back to a terminal to
> post :-))

She was almost taken out of the oven before ready bi me... though, admittedly,
after you de-muffined. I'm sure, considering the folks you told me she was
visiting, that she could've managed a bijoux postette.

Give her a bale of <hug>s anyway.

> I think I need consoling for losing the chance to be on the orgy...
> sniffle.

Of course, it all depends on where one draws the line between brown and red.

(Aaargh. Don't *tickle*. OK, OK, you're a redhead.)

Tanaqui
From: wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Looking for fun sex games to play.
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:22:52 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr13.223047.3953@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>I'm noticing a certain reticence about this topic (i.e.
>particular sexual habits between two men).  I do believe I'm
>seeing, could it be, shyness???  There's probably some well

Not at all, I just used e-mail instead

>justified reasons for this.  There are lurkers (not muffins
>that, whether you meant it or not, the question has the ring
>of "just what do you people do in bed anyways?"

Yes Ellen *DO TELL* :-)

>You might also consider posting to soc.motss (if you haven't
>already done so), although you might get scary mail from the
>numerous phobes that religiously (pun intended) read that
>group.  Better yet, you might try emailing to some of the
>more outspoken members of either newsgroup.
>
>Also, you mentioned that neither of you were particularly
>interested in anal sex.  But you don't have to have anal sex
>(meaning: penetration) in order to feel pleasure "down
>there."  There are a whole host of nerves at the base of
>your spine, that just love to have pressure put on them with
>whatever body part your partner chooses (some parts are
>better than others <grin> - thighs are very nice.)

I do believe you've set my blood pounding :-) 

>No one has mentioned bondage and restraints yet.  You don't
>have to be into pain to enjoy being tied up.  Not being able
>to get away from incredible pleasure is a mind blowing
>experience.  However (I should mention this now before...

UNHHNHNHNHH!!! (I said "you've stirred hidden emotions" ;-)

>Well I think I've gotten myself into enough trouble.

Never mind, It was worth it.

Huggles

	Frankums.
P.S. I'm sorry if I didn'tt mention where I cruelly edited your posting.
______________________________________________________________________________
        This pink triangle was drawn \bi/ Francis Joseph Wells
B4 f t g++ k+(+) s+ p                 \/                    wells@hci.hw.ac.uk
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Ann Landers
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:33:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.0vf54w
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <rhialto.0026@falu.sneakernet> (soc.bi), rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert) writes:
> are born queer. That knowledge might be abused to test and abort foeti (or
> more primitively, kill them after birth). 

My reaction to the idea of someone having an abortion because a
test showed that the child would be gay is the this is a person who
should not (in my own opinion) be having children in the first place.  

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex.wizards,alt.sex
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: You asked about "Swinging..."
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:10:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.083537.24301@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>
>     Recently, people have been asking "What exactly is a 'swinger?' or
>what is 'swinging?'"  

[quote from book]

>     On the flip side, I'll give you _my_ experiences at the one and
>only swingers's party I went to.
>
>     First off, I tend to only want to get into bed with people I know.
>People I respect, people I trust.  I didn't know these people.  I didn't
>trust these people.  And watching them imbibe enormous quantities of
>alcohol, I didn't respect these people.   
>
>     Secondly, it wasn't safe.  For the most part, we were the only
>people at the event who had visibly brought condoms.  I saw a few
>discarded wrappers, but they were scarce for the fifty or so people in
>attendance.  There were dispensers, but they demanded 50c and who's
>carrying two quarters when the most you're wearing is a robe?  People
>were skipping the latex, and that bothered me a lot. 
>
>     Thirdly, it became painfully obvious to me that while women boffing 
>women was acceptible, the instant I touched another man I would have
>been *persona non gratia*.  Sorry, if people all going to be 'open
>minded' about sex, they shouldn't be hypocritical about it.
>
>     What it came down to was, to me, a nightmare.  Engaging in random
>liquid couplings with faceless and potentially disease-ridden strangers
>deliberately lowering their self-control to accept the acts they're
>participating in is not my idea of fun.  (Whew, diagram that sentence!)  
>

This just confirmed all of my stereotypes: pre-feminist, pre-gay-lib,
pre-AIDS sexual "revolutionaries".  

Thanks for writing, this, Elf!!



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: nmw1638@cs.rit.edu (Nicolas M Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:16:05 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

In article <1992Apr9.043340.27855@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <KMJ1.92Apr6235614@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu> 
>kmj1@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie) writes:
>>
>>wow, i finally got the courage to demuffin. hugs/kisses/licks, anyone?
>>

Why yes, here <kiss, e-flirt, smooch, e-lick,...>. 

>>kate
><comes closer, smiles, ...>
>
>reaches out in a big *hug*
>
><Whispers... "Welcome to soc.bi">

Why whisper? WELCOME, WELCOME !!!!!! :-)

><playfully nibbles on an ear...>
>
><Mmmm...>

Mmmm, can I join?

>-- 
> Albert Lunde 

Nick
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From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:59:30 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

[peg says nice things to Joe]

   Thanks, peg. I needed that.

   Possibly what burns me up the most about the whole debacle is that people
are now thinking of Karina and I as having huge chips on our shoulders.
"All they ever talk about is Bi this and Bi that and how badly we're
treating them".

   I did point out that we've resolved the issue to our satisfaction 
several times now, and the anti-bi crowd have come back in and stirred it
up again. Are we supposed to sit quietly and take it while the nasties
attack us personally, harrass and even deny the very existence of our
sexuality? (They didn't like me saying that, actually 8->).

   <Joe breaks off discussion, distracted by the lickings and whip-twirlings
and bubble-blowings going on in the other corner of soc.bi>

   Hmmm, I'll just go and fetch my egg-poacher...

--
  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats & ropes.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: North East get together. (all invited!) (note ** NOT a convention **)
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:50:26 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:

>Definately at least 4 here.  So that means that as of right now, we have the
>North Eat get together at RIT.  
       ^^^
Er, don't you mean North *East* get-together?

>Proposed activities:  fondue (chocolate and cheese)
[...]
>                      ice cream sampling

Evidently not ...

Sara       >{8-)
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 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (stephanie mandell)
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 12:51:15 GMT

In article <20071@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
>STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr9.044656.28993@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>>In article <31257@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>>>>Ro said:
>>>>>Flirtitiously munching on the back of the entire newsgroup's neck:
>>>>Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...
>>>Sensually massaging the lower back of the entire newsgroup...
>>Flirtatiously spinning my favorite whip at the entire newsgroup....
>Oooh yes, yes - but lash me gently, Stella ...
>Flirtatiously playing Bzzzttt with the whole newsgroup ...

Flirtatiously blowing bubbles over the whole scene...

Steph

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: How do you feel about Outing, a quick poll.
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:13:40 GMT

In <1992Apr10.003517.22794@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:

>This is because the -pentagon- has a policy that gays are incompatible
>with military service. This person did not set the policy, nor is he
>in a position to change it.

He -was- in position to ignore the regulation and stop the witchhunts.
You are right in that he couldn't have changed the rule but he COULD
have (and still can) stop the active witchhunts going on.

Tom
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mjl@rigel.bos.locus.com (Mike Leibensperger)
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Reply-To: mjl@Bos.Locus.COM
Organization: Locus Computing Corp., Boston Office
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 22:25:24 GMT


In article <1992Apr6.010136.24305@polari.com>, elf@polari.com writes:
|>
|>    ... my lovers pointed out
|> a rather curious behavior pattern I have.
|> 
|>    When I'm with Omaha, driving about town, I stare at men.  I point
|> them out to her, lecherously peer at them... "Oh, there's a cute guy."
|> 
|>    When I'm with DeWolf, driving about town, I stare at women.  I point
|> them out to him, ect...
|> 
|>    Anybody else ever have this crossover?  It strikes me as very odd...

Perhaps it's a sort of a "traditional roles shared experience
thing" (tm) --- checking out the gals with your guy, checking
out the guys with your gal.  That is, trying to form a common
bond with whoever you're with based on who you are attracted
to and who they "should be" (nyuk, nyuk) attracted to.
A subconscious projection of the usual het roles plus a
desire for agreement and commonality (e.g. "*Those* are hot
buns, dontcha think?").

In that light it doesn't seem too odd at all, said the self-
proclaimed Master of Popular Psychology.  :-)

|>          Elf !!!
|> --
|> Civilization has branded you.  You will never be free unless you view
|> everyone and everything as suspect.  Food.  Drink.  Speech.  All
|> society's tools.  Everyone lined up and accounted for.  In formation.
|>                                           -- Number Six, The Prisoner
|> Elf Sternberg    elf%polari@uunet.uu.net  <-- checked twice daily.
|> elf@halcyon.com  elf@seanews.uucp  elf@pismo.uucp

	mjl
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:33:47 -0500

In article <iw.702851399@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:

>Well that blows the myth of bi tolerance.

It's been quite limited, however, to three bis telling me that.  One I
know in person, two from the net (not here, mind you).  Upon closer
inspection they have someother oddities. 

>I am really disturbed that bi's have told you you arnn't bi enough and I
>expect(hope anyway) just about everybody here is too.  A bad case 
>of uh... internalised bi-phobia I suspect.  I have never come across 
>that in a self-confessed bi before.  I have had to fend of these accusations
>from lesbians but never bis.

Yeah, I always wondered how many times a person had to be beat over
the head before they would not do to others what they hated to have
done to themselves (meaning lesbians who think they know more about
your sexuality than you do).  

And I've read here for quite some time, and really like the
"atmosphere."

>Send them my way for some re-education if you like. On second
>thoughts, they might meet with severial violence, I reserve the nastiest 
>punishments for traitors, ..... and an aside to peg <slap> before you ask
>you can't come too, this would be more than just a little whipping.
>Gawd!  Now I feel inadaquate, where are we supposed to get the energy for
>dealing with all these partners.  I mean I`ve heard of joined at the hip,
>but  joined at both hips for all time to remain a card carrying bi - NOT

Yeah... people are really surprised when I tell them that really, I
don't have an interest in a threesome (or moresome) because I can only
imagine the energy it would take.  One other person is enough... =)

>Anyway Amy you are bi enough for me, is a bit of flirtation out of the
>question, considering your upcoming nuptials.  <smile, flirt, flirt ......>

Hey, I'm getting married, not being killed... wink wink =)

amy
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Biphobia in TORCH SONG?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:25:03 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr6.212637.23389@osf.org> alan@osf.org ("Alan Hamilton") writes:

>However, I always get angry when Arnold throws Ed out with a
>disparaging remark about bisexuals.

So do I, and I hated the way Ed was portrayed through the first
two-thirds of the film as a stereotypical amoral sex-thirsty bisexual
slut.  It seems to me, though, that Fierstein is setting up this
stereotype so that it can later be destroyed ... I may be giving him
too much credit, or not.  I should read the plays, I think.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.bi