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From: MIS5000@UMBCADMN.BITNET (Themistoklis I. Pentakalos)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: LOTUS, QUATRO, and LOTUS
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:17:00 GMT
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Hi everyone,
 
        Yes, I realize that LOTUS appears twice on my subject line...
I have a user who is running (more like trying to) Lotus 2.4, Lotus
2.2, and Quatro and all as DOS applications from within Windows 3.1.
Pathworks is at 4.1 both on the server and client.
 
        The symptoms vary. Once he can't run version 2.2, another
time he can. Then when he can run 2.2, he can't run Quatro. He is
not trying to run them at the same time either...
 
        Any clues?   By the way, all the software (win,lotus,quatro)
are local to his PC, and he is doing a local boot to the server.
 
        Thanks,
 
        -Themos
From: MIS5000@UMBCADMN.BITNET (Themistoklis I. Pentakalos)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: HP laserjet forms
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:02:00 GMT
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Do HP Laserjet Series II and HP Laserjet IIIsi use the same
forms? In other words, when configuring the port for those
printers, can the same form be used in the /FORM= qualifier?
 
Thanks!
From: WARFORD@UTHSCSA.BITNET
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: OS/2 server: Poor windows performance - HELP!
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:47:00 GMT
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>
>We are having major problems with Windows performance on an OS/2 pathworks
>server, 40 seconds (without cache) & 15 seconds (with cache) startup time for
>Windows.
>
 
For loading Windows and other things (see below) across the network, I don't
consider 15 seconds to be so very awful.  You didn't put your client's swap
files on the server, did you?
 
There is a server optimization procedure for fine tuning.  Check your manuals.
 
>
>The Server is running Pathworks for OS/2 v2.0, on top of Microsoft OS/2 v1.3,
>with the following hardware:
>        Compaq SystemPro/LT, 486DX2 50Mhz, 16Mb RAM, EISA SCSI DPT hard disk
>        controller (4.5 Mb cache) with an RZ26 clone (1035 Mb, 10ms),
>        Intel 32bit ethernet adapter.
>
>Client PC's are DEC 486 DX2 50Mhz with 8Mb RAM & 16bit ethernet adapter cards,
>running PW4DOS 4.1 and using the enhanced redirector.
>
 
GEEZ... GET SOME REAL MACHINES WHY DONCHA?
 
One thing... enhanced redirector?  Are you using SQL Server also?  If not,
you probably shouldn't be using the enhanced redirector, unless you have
something else that requires it.
 
>
>All clients are running Windows in ehanced mode & are starting up a whole raft
>of MS applications. Also using SVGA drivers.  We are limited to 490K max base
 
Try starting up just one at a time to see if your response time hinges on
one particular application.
 
>memory at the client as we are loading NETBEUI. Also the enhanced redirector
>cannot be loaded into expanded memory (hangs the PC).
>
 
What memory manager are you using, and where are you loading the redir?
 
>
>Those that have experience with the OS/2 server, did you have similar problems?
>If so, I'd love to hear how you overcame them.  If not, is this the *poor*
>performance we are to expect?
>
 
Never thought the response time was that poor... It takes me almost that
long to load Windows locally on a 386DX/33 (15ms IDE drive).
 
Guess I just need a real machine...  **sniff** **sniff**
 
WAR          warford@uthscsa
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: File Service Behavior
From: "C Y Kwok (Postmaster)" <CCCYKWOK@CPHKVX.BITNET>
Date: 07 Oct 1992 09:20:00 +0008
X-Organization: Computer Centre, City Polytechnic of Hong Kong
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>Subject: File Service Behavior
>
>I have an interesting problem; perhaps someone has an insight into this
>before I call DEC.
>
>If a user connects to their account and attempts to copy DOS files to the
>VAX, it allows them to copy only 2 files, then returns a FILE CREATION error.
>If I connect to their account using the %SYSTEM construct, I can copy files
>all day without difficulty.  The user's quota is fine with plenty of space
>available.  The size of the files being transferred seem irrelevant; they
>can transfer two small files, or two really large ones.
>
>Any hints are most welcome.  Thanks...
>
>Dave Goodwin                                   |
>Assistant Director, Academic Computing         | We're all kinds of animals
>-----------------------------------------------| coming here.
>BitNet   : Goodwin@SMCVAX                      |
 
This is indeed a diskquota problem. Try give the user more diskquota and you
will find more files get copied to the VAX.
 
The file server process uses a default file extension size of 256 disk blocks,
which is allocated to each open file. If you have open file caching turned on
and do a wild card copy from DOS to VAX, you probably need a large diskquota
to do that. Say you want to copy 10 files, then you'll need 250*10, i.e.
2,560 disk blocks in order to make the copy successful.
 
Hope this helps.
 
CY
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Notebooks on ethernet
Organization: Lugroid Enterprises
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:11:09 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sherriff@wronz.org.nz writes:
: We want to connect PC notebooks to our pathworks network preferably through
: ethernet. We tried this 2 years ago using a device plugged into the parallel
: printer port but without much success.
: 
: Is anyone doing this successfully now? Any suggestions?
: 

John,

We have done this on several occasions, using the XIRCOM adapters, both
10 Base T and 10 Base 2, with Pathworks 4.1, using the NDIS drivers supplied
with the adapters. Apparently there are some other no-name products which
purport to be faster, but I have not tried any.

Keith.
-- 
Keith Lovatt                 	|	Scarborough, Ontario, Canada
r-node.gts.org!klovatt@klnet	|	Phone: +1 416 293 0292
doe.utoronto.ca!klovatt@klnet	|    "You can never find a Lugroid
klovatt@terranet.cts.com	|	when you really need one"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: jmacdonald@mta.ca
Subject: Disk Quota and Personal File Services (M: )
Reply-To: jmacdonald@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:40:57 GMT

Hi,

Does anyone know of a way to find out the disk quota remaining on an account
when connected to the account as a file service (from the DOS prompt - I want
to avoid getting users to log into their accounts and doing a "show quota"). 
Thank-you in advance.

Jane MacDonald  (jmacdonald@mta.ca)
Systems Programmer
Computing Services
Mount Allison University
Sackville, New Brunswick
Canada
From: ault@QUEENS.EDU (Richard Ault)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Yet another memory configuration question
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:37:46 GMT
Reply-To: ault@queens.edu
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>From:	MX%"LANWORKS%MIAMIU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU" 14-OCT-1992 12:57:18.91
>To:	PCSA%"PC003$AULT"
>CC:
>Subj:	Yet another memory configuration question
>
On: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:04:00 EST, David Woodall at <DVWOODALL%TAYLORU.BitNet@
pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> wrote:
>
>We continue to have trouble with a particular PC and memory management.  Maybe
>some kind soul on this list would be willing to help us out.
>
>First the configuration:
>
>        DECstation 320sx
>        5 meg (total) memory
>        DOS V5.0
>        Pathworks 4.1
>        DE101 NIC card  (set to 64Kb mode @ D0000)
>
>We have a copy of QEMM 4.x and have also tried EMM386.   Both give basically
>the same results:
>
>        Usually an error "no room for page frame".
>
>        Even if I can get the page frame to fit, WordPerfect
>        locks up when trying to switch to graphics mode (such as a
>        print/view).
>
>I have tried setting the card to E0000 with the same basic results.
>
>Has anyone "out there" gotten this to work?  What's the secert?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>David Woodall                      BITNET: DVWOODAL@TAYLORU
>Systems & Development Leader
>Taylor University
>Upland, IN
>------------------------------------------------------------
 
We don't have DEC pc's but we configure our DEPCA's at D000 and use a config.sys
line of:
 
device=emm386.exe  nnn ram m9
 
 
with no problems, the m9 tells emm386 not to put the page frames in the DEPCA
buffer area.  It's possible that DEC has actual BIOS ROM @ E000-EFFF and with
the DEPCA buffers & ROM from D000-DFFF and VGA ROM occupying C000-C7FF, you
have no memory left for ems.  I that's so, you'll have to give up ems, or set
the DE101 to use less than 64K buffers.  You COULD try upgrading to QEMM 6.0
with "stealth" ROM overlay capability.
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard H. Ault, Computing Services Center      ault@queens.edu
Queens College, 1900 Selwyn Ave                 ault@alumni.caltech.edu
Charlotte, NC 28274-0001                        (704) 337-2303
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Yet another memory configuration question
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:02:18 +1000
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <01GPXM1E17349PNNQL@TAYLORU>, DVWOODALL@TAYLORU.BITNET (David Woodall) writes:

> We continue to have trouble with a particular PC and memory management.  Maybe
> some kind soul on this list would be willing to help us out.
  
> First the configuration:
>  
>         DECstation 320sx

>         Usually an error "no room for page frame".

We were getting that as well and it was a emm386 configuration
problem.

Here is the config.sys we're using;

----------- Cut Here -----------------------------------------------


rem CONFIG.SYS FOR PATHWORKS CLIENT V4.1 - CONFIGURATION V1
rem FOR DIGITAL PCS
stacks=9,256
country=061,,\dos\country.sys
shell=c:\command.com  /e:512 /p
device=c:\windows\himem.sys
device=c:\windows\emm386.exe ram frame=e000 x=d000-d3ff i=b000-b5ff i=f000-f5ff
files=40
buffers=10
dos=high,umb
devicehigh=c:\decnet\protman.sys /i:c:\decnet
devicehigh=c:\decnet\depca.dos
devicehigh=c:\nav\nav&.sys /b
lastdrive=z

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you're running Windows in any of the SuperVGA modes you have
to delete the bit 'i=b000-b5ff' as windows uses that area.

Carl.
-- 
Carl Makin, MVS/ESA Systems Programmer, VAX/VMS Dabbler. 
Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services, Canberra, Australia.
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: General Failure on netbind
From: "(bachism)" <BACHISM@JHUDEV.DEV.JHU.EDU>
Date: 07 Oct 1992 08:11:34 -0400
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Are you using the same type of ethernet card on all the machines?  If so try
changing the IRQ.  It may be conflicting with something else.  Check out your
protocol.ini file.
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Question about Appletalk to LAT, DECnet whatever
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:09:01 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct14.041158.7623@iscsvax.uni.edu>, to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu writes...
>Can someone explain to me the Appletalk-??????? tools that exist in the
>Pathworks for mac stuff?  My big question is : are they like the Appletalk-LAT
>Tool that allows MACs running Appletalk to make LAT connections to VAXes?

Essentially, yes.  But you probably don't have a use for them, unless you are
a programmer or a network manager (with a budget to buy routers).

The AppleTalk-ADSP is a task-to-task tool, for use by DAL (Database access).
I recall that you can use it with MacTerminal-to-MacTerminal connections, but
that's of limited use.

The AppleTalk-DECnet tool is only useful if you have DECnet installed, and it
works like the DECnet tool, only what leaves your Macintosh is DECnet packets
encapsulated in AppleTalk.  The use for this is when you only have LocalTalk,
you can use DECnet (and CTERM terminal sessions) if you have a LocalTalk to
Ethernet router, such as the Shiva FastPath, or Cayman Gatorbox, or similar.


Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Problem w long filenames
From: "(bachism)" <BACHISM@JHUDEV.DEV.JHU.EDU>
Date: 07 Oct 1992 08:13:44 -0400
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Sorry DOS only accepts filenames with the lenght of 8chars and a 3char
extension.  It does not display any other files.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: OS/2 server: Poor windows performance - HELP!
From: butlerc@fri.cri.nz
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:46:30 +1300
Organization: New Zealand Forest Research Institute

Hi Folks,

We are having major problems with Windows performance on an OS/2 pathworks
server, 40 seconds (without cache) & 15 seconds (with cache) startup time for
Windows.

The Server is running Pathworks for OS/2 v2.0, on top of Microsoft OS/2 v1.3,
with the following hardware:
	Compaq SystemPro/LT, 486DX2 50Mhz, 16Mb RAM, EISA SCSI DPT hard disk
	controller (4.5 Mb cache) with an RZ26 clone (1035 Mb, 10ms),
	Intel 32bit ethernet adapter.

Client PC's are DEC 486 DX2 50Mhz with 8Mb RAM & 16bit ethernet adapter cards,
running PW4DOS 4.1 and using the enhanced redirector.
All clients are running Windows in ehanced mode & are starting up a whole raft
of MS applications. Also using SVGA drivers.  We are limited to 490K max base
memory at the client as we are loading NETBEUI. Also the enhanced redirector
cannot be loaded into expanded memory (hangs the PC).  

Those that have experience with the OS/2 server, did you have similar problems?
If so, I'd love to hear how you overcame them.  If not, is this the *poor*
performance we are to expect?

Please reply & if there is interest, I'll summarise.

-- 
Chris Butler		           
IT Support Consultant
Trans Power NZ Ltd.                    Internet: Chris.Butler@fri.cri.nz   
P.O. Box 1021                             Phone: +64 (4) 495-7082 
Wellington                                  Fax: +64 (4) 495-7110 
NEW ZEALAND                                                       
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: wasser@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::wasser)
Subject: Could be a fragmented disk...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:01:18 GMT
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

> If a user connects to their account and attempts to copy DOS files to the
> VAX, it allows them to copy only 2 files, then returns a FILE CREATION error.
> The size of the files being transferred seem irrelevant; they
> can transfer two small files, or two really large ones.
> If I connect to their account using the %SYSTEM construct, I can copy files
> all day without difficulty.  

> The user's quota is fine with plenty of space available.

	I believe the file server creates files with a large initial
	CONTIGUOUS allocation (to be truncated later when the file is
	closed).  If the disk is fragmented you may not have enough
	large contiguous space for more than two initial allocations.

	The cure for this problem is to de-fragment the disk (using
	whatever VAX tools you have available).
 
	If the disk is not fragmented perhaps they are hitting some
	limit on the number of simultaneous open files (remember that
	the file server's file open caching keeps files open for a 
	while)?
From: edb_gunder@debet.nhh.no
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: PATHWORKS for VMS 4.1-1 vs 4.1C
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:42:22 MET
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics

In article <1992Oct8.173201.9725@honte.uleth.ca>, rempel@hg.uleth.ca (Curtis Rempel) writes:
> 
> I noticed on the September CONDIST that there is 
> PATHWORKS FOR VMS 4.1-1 and also 4.1C.  Without
> having to unpack both of them, does anybody know
> what the difference is?  Which is the latest?
> I would guess 4.1-1 would be the latest??
> Thanks.

The september version of CONDIST has included 2 versions of PathWORKS
for VMS 4.1C and 4.1-1A, NOT 4.1-1 as the documentation say! (read the
release notes on the save-set). DEC has comed with several patches
latly: 4.1-1 release notes dated July 10, 4.1C release notes dated July
28, and finally 4.1-1A release notes dated August 3. 

The difference between 4.1C and 4.1-1A is, according to an earlier
posting in this conference, that 4.1C supports VMS 5.3 which 4.1-1A does
not. So if you have VMS 5.4 or higher you should use the 4.1-1A version.


Gunder Soensteby
EDP-dept.
Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration
Norway
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Kathleen Applegate)
Subject: Re: PW4.1, UCX2.0, and PC DECwindows
Keywords: UCX
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  7 Oct 92 13:08:48 GMT

>Upgraded/installed UCX version 2.0 recently and your
>PC DECwindows users getting an error message saying
>NO-SUCH-USER when trying to use X apps from a VMS host?

Just a point of clarificaton.  The solution in my previous
posting involves Pathworks clients using TCP/IP, not those
using DECnet.

It happens that PC DECwindows running over TCP/IP achieves
its connection to an Ultrix machine using rexec, but
its connection to a VMS host is an interactive login using
Telnet.

--
Kathleen Applegate, Sr. Analyst      apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov           
Marshall Space Flight Center             Voice:  (205) 544-7656
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: rempel@hg.uleth.ca (Curtis Rempel)
Subject: PATHWORKS for VMS 4.1-1 vs 4.1C
Reply-To: rempel@hg.uleth.ca (Curtis Rempel)
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:32:01 GMT


I noticed on the September CONDIST that there is 
PATHWORKS FOR VMS 4.1-1 and also 4.1C.  Without
having to unpack both of them, does anybody know
what the difference is?  Which is the latest?
I would guess 4.1-1 would be the latest??
Thanks.

/Curt

Curtis Rempel                                Internet:   REMPEL@HG.ULETH.CA
VMS Systems Programmer                       
University of Lethbridge                     
Computing Services, D570                                                   
4401 University Drive                                                      
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: WinQVT
From: byrnes@cbr.hhcs.gov.au
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:11:24 +1000
Distribution: world
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <49357.dolan@acuvax.acu.edu>, dolan@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU ((Tom Dolan)) writes:
> Does anyone have Pathworks 4.1 and WinQVT TCP/IP client working together?
> I want to have access to Pathworks files services and the SMTP server at
> the same time.
>  
> WinQVT starts to run and then causes Windows to exit to the C:\ prompt.
>  
> I need help with WinQVT.
>  
> Thanks!,
>  
> Tom Dolan           Dolan@Acuvax.acu.edu
> Systems Manager
> College of Biblical Studies
> Abilene Christian University
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Yet another memory configuration question
From: "(bachism)" <BACHISM@JHUDEV.DEV.JHU.EDU>
Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:22:26 -0400
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Have you tried adding an item defining the Frame at E000.  If you are using QEMM
you should have a app. called MFT.  Run it and see if something is taking up
more memory than you think.  (1st MEG and then Programs)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: wasser@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::wasser)
Subject: eXcursion already does the right thing
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:00:39 GMT
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

> Any Excursion users out there?

	Nope, just us eXcursion users.

> I have an X-window application on a VAX...
> I have to customize each PC to start a different .COM file on the VAX 
> that, first, does SET DISP/CRE/NODE=node and then runs the application. 

	If the PC can start the .COM file then it should be able to
	start the application directly.  The setting of the display's
	node address is done as part of the remote startup.

	If you realy want a .COM file to set the address again you
	can probably get the address from the symbol DECW$DISPLAY.
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Subject: Subscribe Lanworks Jim DeBerry
From: JDEBERRY@WVUPPL.WVNET.EDU
Date: 08 Oct 1992 13:49:08 -0400
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I wish to subscibe to LANWORKS
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.sys.novell
From: apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Kathleen Applegate)
Subject: Intel EtherExpress Network Interface Cards
Summary: Opinions Sought
Keywords: nic, Intel EtherExpress
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  8 Oct 92 15:34:31 GMT

We are looking at a quantity buy of these cards, and I am
interested in receiving feedback from those of you who are
now using it.

Please e-mail me directly and I will summarize for the net.
--
Kathleen Applegate, Sr. Analyst      apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov           
Marshall Space Flight Center             Voice:  (205) 544-7656
From: BECKERJA%WPO1P%WPO2V@SNYCENVA.BITNET (Jim Becker)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Group ownership of files
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:39:00 GMT
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I'm interested in setting up File services for respective UIC
groups where users belonging to that group have access to the
service for sharing files.
 
The way I've started is to create a service through both VMS and
PCSA means that is owned by a VMS group ([grp,*]) having
S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RWED,W protections (for VMS access) and a PCSA
group (<grp>) to control Pathworks access to the service.  Users
belonging to that group USE the service under their
username/password and put files there.
 
Sub directories on these services become owned by the group and
files become owned by respective individuals.
 
My question is:  Is there a way to have the files owned by the
UIC Group instead of the individual?
 
This way, a user's personal quota doesn't affect the amount of
file space (s)he can use on the group service.
 
Thanks for any tips.
 
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