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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:13:52 GMT

lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:

>>   This is a possibility; but, working in parallel computer architecture
>> myself, I don't see this happening at the desktop for another 3 or 4

>Wasn't there a 040 accelerator for mac which supports multiprocessing?

  Neat as the Radius stuff is, it's not what I'd call parallel processing
in the sense that I'm working on.  It's more like "here, you've got
6 040 Macs in one machine.  You can run one application on each".  
I'm not even sure if Radius supports any sort of shared memory, 
cache consistent machine model - I doubt it.  You could emulate
a message-passing machine with it, but the message latency/dispatch isn't
going to be very fast.

>least for some time. Unless IBM and Moto decide to lose some money and
>try to win the markets by selling the chip with ridicilous price.

  Yes, this is what they are planning to do.  Makes sense, since they
are about the only companies who can afford to do this, and the payoffs
down the track are very visible.

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:02:27 GMT

engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:

>In <torrie.727676615@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>>  No thank you.  Why on earth would I want to saddle my machine with
>>those slow, delayed (just when are those 50MHz versions coming out??),
>>lagging behind everybody else SuperSPARCs, when I could stick the 2
>>or 3 times as fast Alphas in there?

>Where are these great and wonderful Alpha machines?

  I was talking more about plugging in an Alpha CPU into our own
multiprocessor.  The holy grail of massively parallel processing is
to be able to use whichever microprocessor happens to be fastest at
the time, swapping in and switching CPU modules just as you do now with
SIMM modules.

>a few for sale at their typically inflated prices.  Are Alpha's
>multi-sourced yet?  Is the Alpha architecture multi-sourced, or are
>you locked into DEC?

  I don't care whether it's multi-sourced or not.  I want the best chip, 
not the most popular.

>>  The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.

>You mean the dominant architecture?  :-)  You can hardly fault
>Intel for persuing sales where the lost sheep continue to buy.
>One would figure that market forces would shift towards the
>"better" product.

  So you're saying that Intel is the "better" product?  In the
micro world, it seems that it's who gets there first, rather than
who is better.

>The claimed
>performance advantages of the Alpha at this very sample in
>time is hardly something to rejoice over.  RISC processors
>leapfrog eachother every couple of months.

  We'll see how long it is before SPARC rules the roost in the
performance league.  I suspect a long time.

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From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Prevue Guide "upgrade"
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:37:51
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Jan27.190155.3806@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:

>   In my area, several TV Companies use Amiga's to display slides on the air.
>   I think Prevue Guide is an Amiga underneath.

Yes, Prevue Guide is, in fact an Amiga.  I am always amused on those rare
occasions when I switch to PG and see a guru message (unless, of course, I
happen to want to know what's on at the moment...  :)  )

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: AGA upgrade board????
Keywords: rtg
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:59:51 GMT

In article <q6iqXB2w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> grayfish@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>Hello, I have been seen a lot of people referring to rtg and was wondering 
>if somebody could tell me what it is

	Sorry, we can't as it is under our non-disclosure agreements. Just
wait like everyone else!


	DIG = device independent graphics
	RTG = retargetable graphics

	Apparantly people interchange these terms often, but at one time
I remembered two different definitions for these terms, and am sure there 
is a difference. Basically RTG will let you use any program with any
graphics board. It should be supported by the OS and not by the application.

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From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: TxEd Plus Info
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:48:08 -0500
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In article <1993Jan22.151222.23099@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:
>
>TxEd Plus is a very old program. Did you buy the program on the consignment
>shelf?? Charlie Heath also wrote AREXX which is included with v2.0 and above.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Oops!  Bill Hawes wrote ARexx, not Charlie Heath.  Mr. Hawes is
also responsible for ConMan, which has been around nearly as long as
TxEd.
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:47:37 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Robert Swan (roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
: :
: I myself don't care too much about animation -- I believe a decent VGA
: is good enough for games, and I don't do any video or other presentations.
: As to having a small, efficient OS, I don't see how that can be reason
: enough to get a computer.  On the other hand, I am interested in learning
Gee, maybe cuz you don't have to buy a huge harddrive and gobs of memory, just
to run the OS?


[ Typical subject switching deleted ]

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:20:41 GMT

In <C1IM13.4HC@news.udel.edu> don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:

> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>>engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:
>>
>     [argument about multi-sourced chips vs. Alpha deleted]

>     This is all kind of moot because DEC _is_ planning to multi-source the
>Alpha soon after they get their own line of machines onto the market.

The point is not moot.  I haven't heard anything about DEC planning to
multi-source the Alpha architecture itself unlike the SPARC consortium.
So if I am not mistaken then Alpha can only take advantage of new chip
manufacturing processes and technology from multiple vendors, whereas
something like SPARC can take advantage of multiple vendors competing
for a better design/implementation for the SPARC processor itself.  And
then the vendors are obligated to share their designs with the rest of
the consortium so that everyone can take advantage of the improvements.

Please, correct me if I am wrong.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:52:38 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
: >There you go.  The problem with "goto", as I see it, is that it's too easy
: >to operate it wrong.  
:
:   Check out the treatment that "goto" receives from Harbison - Steele, a few
: rules of thumb for use, but certainly much less complex than driving a car.
:

I never said that it's difficult to use a "goto".  I merely said that it's
too easy to use it the wrong way.

:
:   Which millions of people with a broad spectrum of competence accomplish
: daily without a hitch... ;-)
:

From what I've seen in my experience, most of the time it's used, it's abused.

:
: >You can't really compare it to an ordinary tool, because "goto" is one of 
: >those things that can be used for EVERYTHING.  
:
:   Nice try.  It's scope is limited to the function that it appears in.  That
: alone drops it down a notch or two from the abilities it's BASIC cousin can
: do.
:

That's irrelevant.  It's still possible (and all too easy) to use "goto" in
EVERY place where structured code is appropriate.

:   -jack-
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:59:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.170027.23430@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1993Jan27.020209.10879@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>>Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
>>remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
>>that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
>>on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
>>last 10-20 years....
>
>But even 1% of this little mass is sufficient to kill all people in New York.
>
>Jokes about wether New York deserves this are not intended.

	Actually, NY is a bad examp. the Brown waste disposal company would
surely import into the Carolinas for dispersal...that's where much of it goes.

	You see, they dig holes that are really really deep, and they put
a few barrels in there andseal it with concrete. Sometimes it goes into the 
ocean, but a leak would cause more widespread and immediate harm there.
But then again, put it into the right currents and it will head for the
Irish and English shoresif there is a leak. 

	When I went to Italy for the first time the water was RED in some
spots from the waste they dumped there. And I saw the human waste coming
out of some sort of stream and into the Adriatic. I found tar in one
spot in the beach. And the petrolium rigs are right off of the beaches,
making a humming sound all night long that you can feel pounding against
your body even though they are far off shore. I also saw them doing
that trick where they sink the ships halfway...it looked pretty cool.

ObAdvocacy: I wonder where all of our battery backed clocks go for a
final resting place?

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:33:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
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>> There isn't.  I've written several Windows applications, and none have used
>> DOS3Call().
>
>Does this imply that with some effort someone could circumvent the need to
>run ms-dos in order to run windows? Is the "ms-dos dependancy" of Windows
>just a Microsoft marketing trick to sell a ms-dos for each Windows, a
>mechanism simple enough to be outsmarted by clever Windows programmers?

NOTE TO HOPEFUL WINDOWS PROGRAMMERS: This provides a means of calling
DOS interrupt 21H.  You can't do it very easily from a C program, and
it won't work in real mode.

Now, back to our DOS3Call() discussion...
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:53:43 GMT
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Douglas Taylor (dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) wrote:
: >:
: >:   Oh, so now you're the standard that should be referenced against?
: >
: >No, Master Jack, you are.
: Gee, Jerry - who's being insulting now?  Your previous posts have borne
: the air of superiority, and you have seemed to believe  you know more about 
: 	OS/2 than anyone else; in fact, when other people have been mentioned
: 	as having possible experience with it, you have denigrated them... 
: 	Then again, I agree with Peter - you are rude and insufferable. 
:

Oh, this is just great:

	Me: In my experience, ...
      Jack: Oh, so now you're the standard that should be referenced against?
	Me (fed up): No, Master Jack, you are.

Read that again, Douglas, and tell me who was being rude.  When an Amigoid
posts his experiences, it is supposed to be taken as fact, right?  But when
I post my observations, I'm supposed to be insulted by the likes of Jack,
right?

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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:15:53 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1jn74kINNlet@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu>, David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
>: 	So, which do you drive, electric, or natural gas powered? I'm
>
>Public transportation, actually.  Milwaukee has a relatively decent
>bus system, though it's just a tad on the pricey side.  Anyways, this
>is the "happiest medium" I've been able to live with.  I don't drive
>personally.  Don't even have a license.  I've been able to survive
>like this for all of my years in HS and now at the university.

Am I missing the point?  What does this have to do with computers, and 
Amiga's in particular.  This belongs in talk.politics, not comp.sys.amiga...
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:42:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>     But if it were a game (or anything else, for that matter) that ran under
'>DOS or Windows, it wouldn't work on an HPFS partition.  If you want long
'>filenames, you have to give up any chance of using non-OS2 apps on that
'>partition.  And we all know how few real OS/2 apps there are :-)

	Actually they work fine on an HPFS partition.  No problems.  It's a
    real bummer about OS2 apps though.  Hope we get some soon.

							Greg Greene
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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:15:55 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan21.095707.561@ulrik.uio.no> jawil@hpx14.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
>
>Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
>testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something?
>

	Well, maybe Commodore isn't posting 5$ billion in losses and isn't 
desperate for new users for their products.

	There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off
products one develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips
who wouldn't pay for software if it came out of the monitor and blew them.



Toodlepip!
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From: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor)
Subject: Re: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:48:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.123554.6766@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>	Well out of shear laziness I'll post.   The three I like to use are:
>
>	wuarchive.wustl.edu
>	isca02.isca.uiowa.edu
>	ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>> 
>> 					-Mike Traynor
>> 

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
>
 Unfortunately, I fear that this trned of Fred Fish will sadly disappear; a
	note appeared on AmiNet recently, wherein Fred Fish discusses how time
	and monetary pressures have increased so much that the viability of his
	one-time philanthropic hobby is no longer acceptable; it has grown too
	expensive, and too strnuous.  However, he does mention one very good
	way to remedy this, and prevent the greatest software source of PD from
	disappearing:  SUBSCRIBE!  If not for yourself, at least talk your local
	user group into subscribing; there are currently only a few handfuls of
	people/organizations/groups subscribing, and approx. only half of those
	live in the States.  Please, my Amigites/Amigans/Amigos, SUBSCRIBE!  It
	is the least we can do in order to keep the Fish collection going.

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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:06:15 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <C0zrDn.9pC@lysator.liu.se>, ronnie@lysator.liu.se (Ronnie Sahlberg) writes:
> Why do you belive 68060 ever will be released ???
>    Who would then buy the 68060 chip ???
>    Commodore ??? No way Motorola will continue research (spending money)
>    on a processor that only highend amigas will use.
>    Any day now Pentium will be released, giving users something like 
>    +100MIPS. I about a year Hexium is planned to be released giving users 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There has been no specmarks released whatsoever about the Pentium chip. What is
this Hexium crap (P6???). Pentium is no closer to being released than it was 6
months ago. And certainly Intel is not done milking their current cash cow 
(486) for every drop they can get out of it. This means, simply, that P5 will
not be released until AMD or someone else can find a way to duplicate the 
instruction set without violating recent court decisions.
 
> This is not to say smoething stupid like x86 is better than 680x0, but simply
> pointing out that the days of the CISC is counted.

And just what do you think the Intel line is? Big clue here...Pentium is CISC.

> 68k is probably dead and will most certainly loose all research funds,
> of more potential RISC architectures, like PowerPC601 or such.
> ronnie s , ronnie@lysator.liu.se

68K series is very alive and well. Considering this line of processors and
embedded controllers accounts for a large percentage of Motorola's income
it is unlikely the line will be dropped any time soon. Witness the new
automobile navigation system from Toshiba, it uses the lowly 68000. And
this product is about as new as they come.

Ron, the next time you post, get some facts, and then try to post something 
intelligent. People far worse then me will chew you up and spit you out.

                                              Thorne K. Kontos