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From: "jeff zeitlin" <jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: group activity
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:23:35 EST
Reply-To: "jeff zeitlin" <jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com>
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  I've been following this thread (sorta) for a while, and I think
  it's time to put in my tuppence, based on my own experience.

  There _is_ something to be said for requiring a certain number of 
  events.  O/stgardr has lost one canton and one incipient canton 
  since I joined, about four (I think) years ago.  The incipient 
  canton was lost to apathy, and never really got off the ground.  I 
  don't believe it ever got to hold a single event.  The other canton 
  was a full-fledged canton, and still died, because of both politics 
  and lack of activity.

  HOWEVER, activity is not a cure-all for the disease of insularity 
  and politics.  The canton I am in has just, for the third time, 
  overcome what is now being called "the Annual Political Crisis."  
  Details of the crisis are unimportant, but the fundamental 
  complaints are as follows:

  "The Province doesn't do anything for us, and they never come to the 
  canton (whine!)"

  "We don't get any awards up here; the Province doesn't back them for 
  our people (whine!)"

  Both of these complaints are distortions, but there are certainly 
  reasons for the perception - mostly because of the insularity of 
  those who complain the loudest!  The Viceroy recently made a trip up 
  to the canton to address some of the issues, and virtually nobody 
  recognized him!  This, IMO, is not a good thing.

  Most of the whiners live in the portion of the canton farthest from 
  the heart of the province.  The Seneschal of the canton can't even 
  get a meeting organized in the portion of the canton nearer the 
  heart of the province because the whiners say "It's too far, we'll 
  have to drive for over an hour (whine!)"  The last time we tried it, 
  there were exactly three people at the meeting - the Seneschal, the 
  Pursuivant, and the guy whose home we were using.  The same three 
  people are pretty much the only ones from the canton who go to 
  provincial meetings with any regularity.  The same three people are 
  the only ones who seem to go to provincial events with any 
  regularity - and in the last year or two, the Pursuivant hasn't done 
  so because money was rather tight.

  Now, this group runs one event every year, and two or three in many 
  years.  These events have a fairly good outside draw, although there 
  does seem to be a low turnout from the province. But how much of 
  that is because "these people don't seem to be interested in the 
  province, so why should the province be interested in them?"

  I will concede that my canton is perhaps an unusual case.  But in 
  light of my experience, tell me again what the theoretical benefits 
  of required activity are.

  J/
  jeff.zeitlin@execnet.com

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From: UCCXDEM <UCCXDEM@MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Lute tunings
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:01:00 GMT

Greetings to all Nobles and Gentles,
From H.L. Marke von Mainz.
   I would like some info on tuning a lute. The particular instrument
is a 6-string. If someone could please provide the information, I could
make a friend most happy.
                                           Thank You
                                           Marke
Organization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:17:06 -0500 
From: Gretchen Miller <grm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: VATICAN EXHIBIT AT LC

This just appeared on the medtext-l list.

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From: CARIN HAWKINS <HAWKIN1@MAIL.LOC.GOV>
Subject: VATICAN EXHIBIT AT LC
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Comments: VATICAN EXHIBIT AT LC

          Medtextlers may  be interested to  hear that  a  major exhibit of
          treasures from the Vatican Library will be coming to  the Library
          of Congress in January. "Rome  Reborn:  The  Vatican Library  and
          Renaissance Culture" will  open January 8th,  1993  in  the newly
          renovated Great Hall of  the Jefferson Building. The exhibit will
          include about 200 books, manuscripts, and maps, most never before
          seen  outside  the  Vatican,  among  them  great  books  of   the
          Renaissance as well as classical and medieval manuscripts (eg the
          Palatine Virgil). Father  Boyle  will  be  coming  over  for  the
          opening ceremonies. The exhibit closes April 20th -  this may  be
          the year to plan an early spring trip to Washington.

          Carin Ruff Hawkins
          hawkin1@mail.loc.gov
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Gaelic pronunciation question
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:41:21 GMT
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <9211211337.aa23594@mc.lcs.mit.edu> SAUNDRSG@qucdn.queensu.ca (Graydon) writes:
>A new member of Greyfells wants to know how to pronounce "Ard-choille",
>which is reportedly Scots Gaelic and an ancestral war cry.

  Pronounced:  Ard (one syllable: "A" as in barr"a"ge, "rd" as in ha"rd")
               choille (two syllables [choi'-lyuh]: "ch" as in lo"ch" [a sort
               of gravelly hiss, NOT "CK"], "oi" as in "oi"l, "ll" as in 
               mi"ll"ion (an "ly" sort of sound), and "e" as a schwah ("uh")).

  Meaning:  Near as I can remember (my Gaelic is very rusty), it means
            "The high wood."  It may possibly refer to a specific forest.
            Each Clan pretty much had its own War Cry, and many of them re-
            fer to a specific place of significance to the family.
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.191501.23249@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>As for fermented cider . . . what might you mean, Corun, by saying "if
>left alone in the refrigerator too long, [it] will turn bad"?  That's
>exactly what the English bottle and ship over here.  There are also a
>few domestic producers;  I'd have to stop at the liquor store and
>check on who they might be, if you're interested.  There is a direct
>parallel between making wine and making fermented cider;  you crush
>the fruit and press out the juice, then let the juice ferment.  Just
>as with wine, the fermented liquid will clarify as the solids settle
>out.

I beg to differ. The English send over cider that has been "properly"
fermented. I refer to Woodpecker and Strongbow, both produced by Bulmer.
If you let cider ferment on it's own then you are likely to end up with
a rather bad tasting vinegar. This is because there are yeasts and bacterias
in there that will cause this. In properly fermenting cider, the apples
themselves (after slicing) are sterilised, usually by adding sulphide in
the form of Campden tablets. Then the apples are pressed for the juice,
and to this is added the wine yeast. Sterilisation does nothing to the
sugar which is what the yeast feeds on. The same process is used for making
mead. The honey is first sterilised, either with sulphide or by boiling,
though the latter process may take away some of the already delicate flavour
of the honey.

And yes, I'd be interested in knowing who produces fermented cider in the
U.S. I've only encountered the English and French varieties. The latter is
a bit too carbonated for my tastes.

Lastly, though I've never had it, I understand that scrumpy is quite good.
It's a form of fermented cider produced in the farming communities of
England. It can't be exported because it's unpasteurized and goes bad very
quickly. I recommend to anyone going to England to give this a try. The
first time I was in England (and just a lad), I popped into a pub for my
first real English drink. I let the barman decide what I should have, and
he brought me a stout and cider. An interesting concoction, and one I need
to try again, since at that time I hadn't yet developed a taste for even
the blandest of beers, much less stout.

In service,
Corun

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From: WILLIS%EIVAX@ualr.EDU (Brandr)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Favors and Courtly Behavior
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:05:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings Good Gentles,

I am wanting to do some research on courtly behavior, hand kissing and
the like, and would appreciate any help that you could give me.  Also,
one of the ladies in my shire is wanting to know more about the way favors
were given, accepted, etc. in the middle ages and I said I would ask for
some information from the Rialto.  Specifically, in both cases I would like
book titles, or suggestions for topics to look at.

Thanks in advance,

Brandr Wyborn, Shire of the Small Grey Bear, Kingdom of Meridies

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From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: Birthday greetings request
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:42:38 GMT



Fondest greetings to you all, in special good Therion who didst write:

>Greetings, all!
>
>On the morrow, Lady Arden MacIlhatton will celebrate the xxth anniversary
>of her first meeting the world. (Real gentlemen neither reveal nor inquire for
>a lady's age :).

Than you, sir, are no real gentleman - for you clearly write that the
lady in question is one score to the day. ;-)

By the by, I celebrate my XXVIth birthday today, November 20.

I remain natally,

	your obedient servant...and angel,
	Aleksandr Yevsha, House Sinister
	Guildmaster, Worshipful Company of Carolingian Storytellers

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From: urt@magi.ncsl.nist.gov (R. Allen Wilkinson x3383)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pricing of an Authentic NAZI officer's saber
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:44:52 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

Hello,

I am looking for information about sword prices.  I have the opportunity
to buy a NAZI officer's saber.  Before I can make a reasonable offer for
this saber I need to know what it is worth.  Could someone give me an
idea?

R. Allen Wilkinson
urt@magi.ncsl.nist.gov

P.S. Please mail the response to me directly.
From: kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu (David Kuijt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Atlantian Crown Tournament
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:10:17 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Greetings unto the Rialto!

As no other Atlantian seems to have yet spoken, I would like to inform
the populace of this bridge that Sir Cuan O'Day (last name virtually
certain to be misspelled) has won Atlantian Crown tourney held last
weekend for his lady, Lady Aria the Nimblefingered.  I had the honor
of being his opponent in the finals, and will attest to all that
I was fairly beaten, and the Crown fairly won.

The two combatants defeated in the semifinals were Sir Thorbrandr Olafsson
and Lord Sigurd Ericsson.  Prince Cuan is from the fair barony of
Windmaster's Hill; Sir Thorbrandr is from the barony of Lochmere,
Lord Sigurd is from the barony of Ponte Alto, and I hail from the
ancient barony of Storvik.

The King and Queen of the Middle honored Atlantia with their presence
at the Crown Tournament and were fair spoken and generous.

The weather was a bit chill, being around 45 degrees, but sunny and
fair withal.  Good fighting weather.




	Sir Dafydd ap Gwystl			David Kuijt
	Barony of Storvik			kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu
	Kingdom of Atlantia			(MD,DC,VA,NC,SC)
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: European vs American
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:00:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxc.1992Nov19.120011.90646
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

lcatlett@carson.u.washington.edu (Lynn Catlett) writes:
>> I'd guess that that's part of it.  No museum near *me* has garments
>> from our period that I could look at, even through a museum glass.  In
> . . .
>> leave nose prints on the glass above the surgeon's cap......
>>      Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
>
> Doesn't this drive you wild?  Isn't it possible to
> use some form of alternate radiation/backlighting/
> SOMETHING so that the viewer can actually SEE the
> *craft* rather than the *fashion*?  When "Son of Heaven"
.....

> Is there hope for some (pfui--ALL, as long as we're
> dreaming) of these items to be videotaped/scanned/etc for
> scholarly use?  All y'all curatorial types??

        Actually, you're not as daft as you may think. The technology
to produce an accurate scanned image of a document (or an image of
some other type of material, eg a garment) has recently been developed.
The dept I work in has recently started a project to set up an
archive of CD-ROMs which contain scanned documents from amongst other
things, our rare book collection.

        Before you get too excited, this sort of technology is still
largely experimental and the project I mentioned has only just been
started. We haven't decided *how* the rare and fragile books should
be scanned (and then there's copyright and royalty payments to the
owners of the books, etc).

        Still, it's only a matter of time (albeit years) before you
or I can buy a CD-ROM which has an exact, full colour, copy of antique
hand written and illuminated texts (or other material).


           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
From: Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Lute tunings
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:39:39 EST
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Ellisif writes:
>
> Robinson (_School of Musick_, 1603, English) says to tune a lute by tuning
> the top string as high as it will go and then gives relative pitches from
> there.

I tried that once;  I tuned the top string as high as I dared.  It snapped
when I plucked it.

I tune it to G now -- which gives me the added benefit that, for the first 
few minutes after it's tuned, my lute can actually play in tune with 
another instrument...  :-)

(Of course, as someone hath said, if a lute is in the room with another 
instrument, the lute cannot be heard -- even if the other instrument is 
silent.)

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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: when is period
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:40:06

 D> I read in SCA Digest V5 #759:

> Why put them on the spot as the bad guy?  Just BAN 
> all dances that cannot be
> documented as being performed prior to 1650.

 D> I thought the official limit was now 1600. Was I wrong?

 D> David Tallan (tallan@flis.utoronto.ca)
 That's the 50 year slop-over allowance.  You've got to know your subject  to know where a valid slop-date falls, but that's moderately 
 reasonable for dance.  That is, we think English Country has changed by 
 1650, but 1651 is our first dance instructions...... and we know they 
 were *dancing* English Country in period, 'cause they mention it, they 
 just don't let us in on the instructions any earlier....<sigh>
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
         Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:52:14 GMT

In article <92Nov18.150659.23009@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>In article <1ec2jsINNr7p@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>>At BART practice on Thursday nights, once the evenings start getting
>>chilly (as they have done recently), ...
>
>To an Avacalian, the idea of a BART practice getting "chilly"
>is funny. 
>
>Up here we fight at -20, in the snow.
...
>Molycoddled westies!!!;-)

It's all relative...  While I grant that an evening temperature around
40F is warm in the winter for you, it is a reasonable evening
temperature around here--anywhere from October to March *plus* August.

For real cold (in your terms) you may want to hold discussions with
the folks in Oertha.  Even within the central portions of the West, we
have folks living a good ways up in the Sierra Nevada where it gets
more than a little cool in the winter.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: authenticity vs caffiends
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:57:08

 I also drink caffienated products at events to avoid excessive grumpiness and  other nasty nasty caffiene withdrawel symptoms, but I wait until about five  o'clock and then begin sipping coffee liqueur.  I brew it myself.  

 I know know not of Northern Eurpoean plants containing coffee - but the  romans used to munch coffee beans for their value in keeping alert while on  long marches.  And they're period to arabian cultures.

 -- Vashti


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From: JLINTHI1@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Children in the SCA
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:41:08 GMT

From the Meridian quarter:
   We also have a Minister of Children and the Order of the Cygnet
for the er.. "jewels of the kingdom". (Exact quote from our
newsletter.) If this wasn't enough, we have a special section
in the kingdom newsletter called Kids Kronicles. Maybe I am just
not the tolerant and children loving sort, but I know very few
children who could handle a full event. (Ours are traditionally
weekend events, arrival on Friday, main events, like the tourney,
court and feast on Saturday and pack up to leave on Sunday. We
also have daytrippers.) The older ones are much easier to live
with, provided they aren't too loud and decide that they want
all the attention, not some silly fighter.
                   Yours,
                      KLM
 
Julia E. Linthicum/ Kerowyn Lassarina Morgan of Lochcarron/ Shire of
Misty Mere, Barony of Iron Mountain, Meridies/ jlinthi1@ ua1vm.ua.edu
 
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From: jmedward@eos.ncsu.edu (JEREMIAH M EDWARDS)
Subject: Re: Sword/Shield Hand by Leftie
Originator: jmedward@c00411-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmedward@eos.ncsu.edu (JEREMIAH M EDWARDS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:10:37 GMT


 Greetings unto you m'lord,

In article <1992Nov17.235328.711@ab.wvnet.edu>, white_w@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
 
|> I am not an SCA member because there is no group in my immediate area.
|>
   Where is Alderson-Broaddus College by the way?

 
|> 	I think the reason the Lefties are doing better in tournaments is that
|> they have LOTS of practice against Righties, while the Righties have
|> had much
|> less practice against Lefties.


I don't know about the rest of the Known World, but around here (Barony
of Windmaster's Hill, Kingdom of Atlantia).  I get lots of practice
against lefties.  Of the 75+ fighters that we have in the barony, I can
think of probably 10 that are lefties.  Three (out of 12+) of those come
out of my own canton of Elvegast.

In Service to the dream,

Gaelan MacCuinneagain
Elvegast(Raleigh, NC),Windmaster's Hill(Eastern NC), Atlantia
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:30:03 GMT

Braendur, thanks very much for posting the Meridian Law about Patents
of Arms.  For the trivia minded, did anyone else spot the two Corpora
violations in the old law?

Braendur also wrote:
  I therefore decided that this was the reason for the BOD's decision.

Nope. The Board decision was to disallow the awarding of a Patent
of Arms alone, without the concomitant award of a Peerage of some
type.  This ruling was based strictly on Corpora, and not on
Meridian Law.

	Tibor
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[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
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From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Subject: st. bunstables
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:12:21 GMT

greetings.

be there any gentles within the area of ealdormere who would chance to
be traveling in the direction of jaravelleir this coming weekend? please
e-mail me if at all possible!

i have attempted to restrict the distribution of thie to ontario - if some
site has ignored this & caused it to leak, please accept my apologies.

ernestly hoping,
c.
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