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From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: Attention Earthlings -- Cross-Vendor X11 Server Mess!
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:15:44 GMT

In article <BZS.92Sep12205811@ussr.std.com>, bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
|> Imagine a character set where there is a strong convention that XK_FOO
|> is the shift of XK_GOO, but not in the upper/lower case sense (more in
|> the arbitrary but strong convention of = and + being shifts.)

In Norway there is an arbitary but strong (it's actually a Norwegian Standard)
convention that = is the shift of 0 (zero).
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: Re: TVTWM
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:19:19 GMT

Peter P. Geremia (geremia@legolas) wrote:
: 
: Hello,
: 
: 	Could someone please direct me to the FTP site where
: TVTWM can be located.  

Have you ever considered using archie to find what you want ?

Marcus

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Server modifications to minimise network traffic
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:35:51 GMT


I have a few questions about X network utilisation. These may be a bit
naive, but please bear with me - this is an area of X that I've not really
looked into before. I'm looking for pointers to books and on-line documents,
as much as answers.

The scenario we have is a closed network with a number of X terminals or
workstations used as X terminals, with custom applications being run on a
number of fileservers. We need to be able to minimise network traffic. One
way that has been suggested of doing this is to build the bitmaps into the
server and then use calls to the server to update the screen, rather than
having to transmit the bitmaps. There would only need to be a limited number
of bitmaps and there are no restrictions on the amount of memory and cpu
power we could use. So, my questions:

1)	Is this technically possible?
2)	Is it desirable?
3)	Is there any documentation or books that would point me in the right
direction, or do I have to go straight to the source?
3)	Are there other ways of minimising network traffic that we should also
investigate?

Any help will be appreciated.


Thanks,


Chris
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: Drawing w/clipmask to obscurred window doesn't draw!
Keywords: ClipMask gc
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:41:58 GMT

In article <4ssn2pm.richm@netcom.com>, richm@netcom.com (Richard Mauri) writes:
> I have a motif drawing area widget (destination window)
> that I draw vectors to with XDrawSegments() using a gc 
> w/o a clip mask. Then I draw a filled rectangle using 
> a gc with a clip mask....
> The problem is when
> the destination window is obscurred at the time of drawing,
> and then the destination window is exposed, only the segments,
> not the clipmasked rectangle, get redrawn. Backing store
> isn't doing it's job and I get no expose events either!

I take it things work properly if you disable backing store by setting
it to NotUseful? ("Properly" means your program receives and processes
the Expose event generated when the destination window is exposed.)
If so, this is your workaround.  If not, I'd try to find out what's
going on with your client before looking to the server as the source
of the problem.

In article <18n56rINN2df@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> 
   klute@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) quotes 
   from the Xlib spec:

>From chapter 3.2.4: ...
>While the X server maintains the window's contents, Expose events
>normally are not generated, but the X server may stop maintaining
>contents at any time.

I always thought this meant that the server was supposed to 
start generating Expose events again at the time it chose to 
"stop maintaining" backing-store contents.  In particular,
I thought the word "while" meant "during the time."

It's possible Richard Mauri has found a bug.  I would have thought
that the act of filling a rectangle through a GC clip (or any other
drawing) into an obscured part of a window should have one of two
effects:

1) draw correctly into the backing store
2) cause the server to decide to stop maintaining the
   backing store, therefore causing it to perform
   expose processing the next time the obscured part
   of the window became uncovered.

I didn't think the server had the option of BOTH ignoring a draw
operation to backing store AND omitting subsequent expose processing.
It's hard to imagine how a client would have the slightest chance of
maintaining valid visible window contents under these circumstances.

Can anyone clarify this?  Am I missing something?

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rodan@APOLLO.HP.COM (Dan Richards)
Subject: Receiving destroy notify events
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:13:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

Is there way to have an event handler on a window called
when a DestroyNotify event occurs?  I get the DestroyNotify
callback called via a window manager property, but what I
really want is to be able to detect window destroy notify
events that occur on windows my application has created and
is now trying to delete.  I have an event handler that is
selecting the StructureNotifyMask and I receive map, created,
visibility, etc. events, but the event handler is never called
with a destroy notify event.  Why is this (I can imagine reasons)
and what can I do about it?

Why do I need this you ask?  The real problem is that I want
to warp the cursor to an unobscured window.  In this case, I don't
want a window that is currently being obscured by the window being
deleted to be considered obscured - ie: the test for visibility should
be done after the window is unmapped and therefore I want to know
when this event has occured.  Any ideas?

-Dan Richards
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics
From: chris@ods.com (Chris Atkins)
Subject: Re: Colormap stuff
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:36:42 GMT

Rajeev Tipnis (rtipnis@cs.wpi.edu) wrote:
: 	Thanks to all those who sent me mail or followed up to 
: 	my posting on "how to change the colormap cells on the 
: 	fly".
: 
: 	I am including some code here, which lets the programmer
: 	figure, how not to touch the color cells of the colormap
: 	which are getting used by other applications on the same
: 	display, and use the rest of the colormap. 
: 	
: 	Thanks again for all your help.
: 
: 
: SetupMyColormap()
Before one thinks about using method to determine colormap cells in use, there
are several points which should be brought up about it's shorcomings.

1) The number of unused cells in the colormap and the number of read/write cells
   which can be allocated is not necessarily the same number.
2) This approach makes a copy of the std colormap at an instant in time.  There    is nothing to say that clients may not have their own read/write color cells
   and change them in the default map.  They would not be changed in your map 
   and flashing would occur.
3) Read only color cells do not necessarily keep the same rgb value for the
   lifetime of the server.  The server may free read only cells when no client
   has it allocated, or as in the case of the NEWS server, the server may try to   limit flashing and modify the colormap as focus is changed.
4) The window manager handles the swapping of colormaps based on focus.  If you
   are installing read/write color cells in a private map, they are not being 
   installed in any other color maps which may be installed by the window 
   manager.  Your application will not show up correctly when focus is changed
   from your window.

In summary, X does not provide the application sufficient information to eliminate flashing whenever private colormaps are used.

Chris Atkins
chris@ods.com
From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: RE: X-perts!  need assistance w/ Xlib calls from FORTRAN.
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:54:50 GMT
Organization: The Internet

#
#        I have decided to try to see if I can port a VAX/VMS FORTRAN
#Xlib program to a Sun SPARCstation IPC using SunOS 4.1.2, OpenWindows
#3.0, and Sun FORTRAN 1.4.  Is there any chance?
#
#        The VAX FORTRAN code used the VAX bindings of the Xlib calls
#(X11R3, I think).  I will need the X11 include files as a start.  I have
#looked through my /usr/openwin/include/X11 directory and have not found
#anything yet.  If I had used the VAX MIT/C bindings on the VMS side,
#would I fare any better?  I am not familiar with any other examples of
#Xwindow calls from FORTRAN outside of the VAX examples I have.
#
#        Besides a suggestion to re-write completly in C, does anyone
#have a comments?
#

Rick,

You are pretty much out of luck with porting this code to other platforms.
Only Digital has (as far as I know a Fortran interface to X).  You could 
try to convert the .h files to Fortran include files and call the C Xlib
routines directly.  Otherwise, it just maybe wiser to switch to C.

Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

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a capital crime.  For a first offense, that is            From the Notebooks of
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: richm@netcom.com (Richard Mauri)
Subject: Drawing w/clipmask to obscurred window doesn't draw!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 16:17:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: ClipMask gc


I have a motif drawing area widget (destination window)
that I draw vectors to with XDrawSegments() using a gc 
w/o a clip mask. Then I draw a filled rectangle using 
a gc with a clip mask. When the destination window is
not obcurred everything shows up ok and the backing store
I have requested is doing it's job when I later obscure
and expose the destination window. The problem is when
the destination window is obscurred at the time of drawing,
and then the destination window is exposed, only the segments,
not the clipmasked rectangle, get redrawn. Backing store
isn't doing it's job and I get no expose events either!

I have also tried setting the clipmask followed by an
XCopyPlane() instead of the XFillRectangle, but I get the same
results. Only when I simply use XCopyPlane w/o using a clipmask
does the problem go away.

Is there a bug, or am I missing something? Any workarounds?

I am runing SunOs4.1.x/X11R4/Motif1.1.3.

Thanks, Rich
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: martin@trcsun3.eas.asu.edu (Ross Martin)
Subject: XDMCP indirect via CHOOSER to R4 XDM -- Doesn't work?  Help!
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:13:13 GMT

I'm trying to set up the X11R5 xdm and chooser so that a remote X terminal
can connect indirectly via XDMCP, get a menu supplied by chooser, and a host 
can be selected.  After this you log in normally to the selected host.

This works fine if everything is R5, but if the host that is being selected
indirectly is running an R4 xdm, the chooser shows

"                                  host xxxxxx"         (For a R4 remote xdm)

instead of

"xxxxxxx                           Willing to manage"   (For a R5 remote xdm)

If I select one of the R5 remote xdm's, I connect fine, but if I select one
of the R4 remote xdm's, I get a long wait followed by a return to the menu.

If instead of trying to connect indirectly to the R4 xdm via the R5 xdm
and R5 chooser, I just try to connect directly to the R4 xdm, it works.
But I want my menu!

Can anybody shed any light on this problem?  I've already checked the FAQ ;-).
Thanks a bunch...

--Ross Martin
martin@trcsun3.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look
From: andr@elvis.sovusa.com (Andrei Arkhipov)
Subject: Re: OPEN LOOK GUI frequently asked questions
Reply-To: andr@elvis.sovusa.com
Organization: ELVIS Corp.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:05:14 GMT

Hi.

Is there programs to read OpenLook and X FAQ instead of reading plain text? There are many
signs at these texts and I think there are programs to read them, isn't it?

Any help appreciated.

Andrei.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: dog@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.n.schiebel)
Subject: Creating my own font
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:28:09 GMT

I would like to create my own font.  I can't seem to find any information
on how to do this.  Can anyone out there point me in the right direction?

	Ed Schiebel
	AT&T Bell Labs
	ens@cbnea.att.com
	dog@cbnewsl.att.com
	

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.open-look
From: kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley)
Subject: Re: "Could not get keyboard type" error. What is it?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:10:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.164303.3264@elvis.sovusa.com> andr@elvis.sovusa.com writes:
>Hi.
>
>Sometimes my cron job generates the following message:
>"could not get keyboard type US keyboard assumed"
>
>SS1+ with SunOS 4.1.1, type-4 keyboard, OpenWindows 3 running.
>
>Any help appreciated,
>               Andrei.

Hard to say exactly, but the Sun keyboard device driver does have a 
"feature" that requires you to wait about 500 msec after changing its 
mode before you can query its type without getting an error.

I usually see this running the MIT sample server on the console with 
xdm and "*terminateServer: True", although the sample server prints a 
different message and abort()s, leaving a nice core file.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.windows.x.apps
From: dfl@virgo.math.tau.ac.il (David Frenkiel)
Subject: help needed obtaining snf info
Keywords: fonts
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:27:50 GMT

Hi

I need to build an snf file from the xfontstruct information found in
the server.  pointers to source code or documentation are welcome
(email or thru the net).

		thanx

			dfl


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From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Shared Libs: How can this EVER work?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:47:12 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: alan@metasoft.UUCP's message of 10 Sep 92 01:45:21 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: cb18e9fbf8413ff600da112415383fd8

In article <4953@metasoft.UUCP> alan@metasoft.UUCP (Alan Epstein) writes:

   How are the shared lib versions my applications expects supposed to
   sync with those on the target system? Do I have to link multiple
   versions for customers of various OS levels?

you could ship the .o files and link on the customer's machine at
install time, or you could ship source code.  another alternative,
which seems to be popular is to ship statically linked binaries in
addition to the dynamic linked ones for people with older versions of
the OS.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Subject: Re: PC X term emulators (free)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:26:27 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In <1992Sep9.181720.6368@ra.msstate.edu> borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert) writes:
>I assume there are no free X term emulators on the internet.  Are my 
>choices only DESQview/X and Hummingbird for the PC?  Wouldn't a used Sun 3/50 
>or 3/60 make a cheaper X term for a company than a 386+ PC with ethernet
>card and X term software?
>

From reading your post, it does not sound as though you are married to
MS-DOS as many poeple who post your question are.  If this is the case,
and the PC you are using has a 386 or better in it, there is a FREE
unix available in two flavors: 386BSD and Linux, both of which have
X11R5 (actually X386 v. 1.1 and 1.2E) running under them.  I have been
using Linux + X11 for some time with great success on my 486 at home.

There are some limitations:

Hardware requirements include 4 MB Mem (Linux+X11) Minimum, with 8 MB
recommended for any serious work.  Right now video cards with Tseng/3000
and Tseng/4000 chips are the best supported, although there now exist
drivers for 8415 and ATI cards as well (These are still in testing,
however).  

Some strange mice are not supported, although if yours does logitech
or microsoft mouse emulation you are probably ok.  A couple of other
common types are supported as well.

Getting X set up is not terribly difficult, but it is time
consuming and can be a little intimidating at first, as you have to
figure out the timings for your video card & monitor.  For linux there
is a small utility "xclk" to assist in setting up your configuration
correctly.  This does have the added advantage of allowing you to get
more out of your card + monitor than the standard bios modes.

Needless to say, I have been very impressed with Linux + X as a whole.
Although the operating system is still in beta (current version is
0.97.5) it is extremely stable (I've never been able to crash it, and
I've tried by editing two photographs, displaying a postscript file,
downloading a 350k file, and compiling two programs simultaneously.  
Performance did slow down due to swapping though :) ).

Anyway, the cost is some room on your hd for a linux partition 
(about 40 MB if you want full gnu utils, mail, X11, and compilers) and
time installing.

hope this helps!

Jean.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: dduke@real.jccbi.GOV ("Duane Duke, Training Systems, Systems Analyst")
Subject: Unsubscribe
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:32:56 GMT

Please unsubscribe me.  Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: michael@pullet.lanl.gov (Michael I Angerman)
Subject: Is there an ftp site that has bitmaps ?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:10:00 GMT


I am looking for extra bitmaps besides those on the 
mit distribution.  If you know of somewhere on the net
where there are other bitmaps, please respond
to me directly via email...
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: hecht@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Caroline Hecht)
Subject: "Unknown keysym name" warnings
Keywords: keysym AIX/370
Reply-To: hecht@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell National Supercomputer Facility
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:09:28 GMT

I built X11R5 for our AIX/370 system.  When I run the standard
clients, I get numerous warnings about unknown keysym names.  The
XKeysymDB file is in place at runtime, although it didn't exist when I
ran "make World".  Is the XKeysymDB file required to be there at build
time?  Does anyone have an idea what is causing these warnings?  Here
are the warnings I get from xterm and xclipboard, for example:

$ xterm
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: Select
Warning: ... found while parsing 'Shift <KeyPress> Select:select-cursor-start() select-cursor-end(PRIMARY, CUT_BUFFER0) '

$ xclipboard
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: BackSpace
Warning: ... found while parsing '~Shift Meta<Key>BackSpace:    delete-previous-word() '
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: BackSpace
Warning: ... found while parsing ' Shift Meta<Key>BackSpace:    backward-kill-word() '
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: BackSpace
Warning: ... found while parsing '<Key>BackSpace:       delete-previous-character() '

Please respond by e-mail.

Thanks,
Caroline Hecht

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: lindh@uhasun.hartford.edu (Andrew Lindh)
Subject: Need X11R5 Support for Sun-2 bwone
Organization: The University of Hartford
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:59:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: skynet.hartford.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu



X11R5 has support for the Sun-2 multibus bwtwo, but not the bwone.
Is there a patch to do this?


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes)
Subject: XRemote over a modem?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:57:58 GMT

Like so many others, I'm interested in getting X up and running over a
modem.  I've read the FAQ and decided that XRemote looks like a
promising possibility.  (FAQ claims SLIP is to slow, PPP is not here
yet.)  I've found a Sun4 executable for XRemote using archie, and I've
read the 2 PostScript files that are essentially sales pitches (or
maybe a handwaving talk given at some conference).  I've seen (and used
on occasion) the NCD terminals that use XRemote and I know that 9600bps
is not all that great, but I'd like to try it anyway.  Just for fun I
started up XRemote from the console of a Sun4 and it spat jibberish at
me, just as I'd expect, probably initializing some protocol negotiation.

My setup: I have X running at home (under Linux) and a 9600bps modem.
I have the XRemote executable on a Sun4 at work.

Question: I would like to have xterms and other clients on the Sun4 at
work open windows on my server at home.  Is this possible?  I have not
heard of a program to do this.  I presume it would have to be a client
on the local end, at home, that talked to the modem, decoded the stuff
coming from XRemote at the other end, and manipulated the display
accordingly.  It sounds like quite a large task and I'm wondering if
anyone has ever heard of such a beast.  Has NCD ever released the
protocol used by XRemote?  Even better have they ever released the
source code their terminals use?

Please respond via e-mail and I'll post a summary.  It may even
be worth putting in the FAQ.

-- 
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in need of description.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x