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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Cerebus: the Starters?
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:16:46 GMT

In article <1ic4n9INNsu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) says:
>>Hmmm...don't know if anyone else thought of this, but is it possible that 
>>Swoon has a 'prodigal' brother?
>>Spawn?
>Hmm...what other names might we find:

Superman?

"The dirty dogs! I'll clean up the whole pack! But first, I'll disguise myself
with these spare Clark Kent glassses I always carry in my cape in case Superboy
needs them!  Hmm...I'll need a new name, too!" --Krypto (Hey, I'd be fooled if
my dog suddenly started wearing my spare glasses and responded to a different
name...) 
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <73172@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes...

>So who noticed the Thing's rocky hide on top of the Sentinel's head?

I saw that, but what I want to know is what is the significance of the green
brick near the Sentinel's head?

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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Why Vertigo?
Organization: The Mystic Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:25:22 GMT

In article <C0MJM8.DKJ@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:
>
>As several people much more astute than I have pointed out, some of the
>Vertigo characters ARE creator-owned.  The ones that aren't, I will add,
>are either old DC characters that aren't being written by the original
>creators anymore, or the Sandman.  And from comments I've heard from Neil
>Gaiman, the Sandman is going to be over pretty soon, before it stretches out
>too long.  (On GEnie he said something to the effect of "I don't know of any
>work of art in any medium that has benefitted from being stretched out
>indefinitely.")

The current end of Sandman is less than #70. (Wasn't it suppose to end at
#48 at one point?) We can sorta sketch it it out: Three more issues of
Brief Lives, 3-4 shorts, 6-9 issues of The Kindly Ones, 1-2 issues on The
Wake and end up with 1-4 short stories. I'm just approximating the numbers
from the description in the letter column of #41. So maybe a year's worth
or maybe two. No need to panic yet.

>I look on Vertigo as something that will save me some time.  As I mentioned
>in one of my other long-winded posts, almost all of the titles in the
>Vertigo preview looked pretty good to me, so SWAMP THING and LEGION OF SUPER
>HEROES notwithstanding, I can count on stuff under the Vertigo label to
>be what I'm interested in, and stuff in the regular DC label to be pretty
>boring standard superhero fare.  (Oh, wait.  Make that LEGENDS of the DARK
>KNIGHT and SHADOW of the BAT notwithstanding too.)

I think Swamp Thing fits within the broad definition of Vertigo. It might
regain whatever it has lost. The Spectre might fit into Vertigo, as someone
else suggested. I think Ostrander is playing it out more like a standard
superhero story with mystic overtones. It's been a part of DC for so long
that the superhero people probably didn't want to give it up. I still say
Stanley and His Monster belong over in Vertigo. Maybe they were afraid 
Foglio would take "Suggested for Mature Readers" the wrong way. 

(Get to try out my new Vertigo .sig.) 
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:08:47 GMT

Mikhail Gorbachev appeared in an issue of DP7.
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Ramez Naam
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Evan Dorkin and...El Santo (was Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:26:43 GMT

Interesting... a number of people whose critical (or at least subjective)
opinions I've come to respect (Dan, Lazlo and Lance), all with differing
opinions on Mssr. Dorkin.  Being a card-carrying egotist, my considered
opinion on Dorkin is not positive.  I ran through the first six issues of
PIRATE CORP$, and nothing caught my fancy; I enjoyed his first MILK AND
CHEESE, but it got real old, real fast.  Never looked at Marvel's BILL AND
TED book.

Of course, I'm not going to take up space *justifying* this opinion.  It's
*lunchtime*! 

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:30:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Sebastian O:  A three-issue mini-series about an insane-asylum escapee 
>in a high-tech Victorian England.  It looks from the preview like an
>uninteresting story set in an interesting milieu.

	Of all the new titles, I prolly looking forward to this one the most.
The preview looked just cool enough to pick up, and yes, the title character
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Sandman TPBs--Anyone Got a List?
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:40:18 GMT

First off, I'd like to say thanks to the plethora of people who
post about DC's The Sandman.  After being convinced it was a great
title by the manager at my comic shop of preference, I waited until
the 1/1 30% off sale, then bought "Preludes & Nocturnes" and "The
Doll House".  (These basically span issues 1-16 or 18.)

I found The Doll House arc to be one of the best things I've ever
read, fiction or non, comic or straight text.  My favorite part was
"The Collectors", which I presume was a double issue or a special or
something.  

Anyway, back to the subject.  Can anyone list, in order, all of The
Sandman TPBs?  Are there currently TPBs out which I can catch almost
all the way up?  I've only seen four TPBs, and they only seem to go
through roughly issue 30 or so.

Also, has the current arc finally ended?  I didn't want to add the title
to my saver until I could jump in on a new story.

PS--Also, is "Original Sins" the only Hellblazer TPB out currently?

Thanks,
============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  8 Jan 93 23:23:59 GMT

In <1993Jan8.211058.12461@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1ijuv3INNdna@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>Well it looks like the clone theory will be a reality. The project
>>head of the Camdus Project had Superman's body stolen from his tomb,
>>and will be attempting to clone him using the same methods they used
>>to heal the Guardian. There was much debating as to if it would work
>>since the Guardian was still alive when the process was done, and they
>>wouldn't have to mind to put in the new body. Dubilex may be able to
>>project a Superman persona into the clone, from past mind melds with
>>Superman. Also they can't figure out how to get a DNA sample since
>>Superman is still invulnerable.

>His hair isn't invulnerable.

His hair *is* invulnerable.  That's why he had to cut it with his own heat
vision.

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From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:44:55 GMT

In article <lks3aoINNjlk@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:

>Have you been reading Animal man recently ? Jamie Delano (of Hellblazer fame) 
>took over Animal man a few months ago and took it on a rather dark complicated
>storyline called "Flesh and Blood" which has Buddy being killed and making
>his way up the evolutionary ladder back to the human form.

Minor quibble... Although 'up the evolutionary ladder' was the way DC
advertised the storyline, 'up the food chain' is more accurate summary
of Buddy's struggle (though still not totally correct).  The
'evolutionary ladder' advertising made me cringe at the time I first
saw it-- read some Steven Jay Gould if you still believe the common
misconception that evolution is some sort of linear progress with
humans as the end point-- and indeed 'up the evolutionary ladder'
would have been out of place in a book that presents respect for
animals other than humans, often to the point of preachiness (IMHO).

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Way to Dusty Death. Bleah.
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:00:35 GMT

I have always been a closet Dr. Strange fan and I do buy some of his
stuff occasionally, but not the series because it sucks. Anyway, I see
this book with him and Spider-Man in it called "The Way to Dusty Death",
looked inside and thought it looked okay. Since it was a slow week I
bought it (spending the obcene amount of $8.70 on it) and try to read
it.

Bluntly, it sucks.

I mean, I normally like some reason for a story to be told, and this
story didn't need to be told, especially in a Prestige format book. The
art is tolerable, but the story is just incrediably bland and
uninteresting. And it rambled on for a long time in parts and nothing
really interesting was told. This only gives me further proof in my
theory that there have only been a handful of good Dr. Strange stories
since the demise of the original run, back when it spun off from Strange
Tales. SIgh, maybe he is just impossible to write these days. Maybe
Grant Morrison would like a shot at him. That could be....interesting.

Think I'll go and try and find the Marvel Masterworks volume that
reprints his original Strange Tales appearances. Maybe that'll cheer me
up.

_craig
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>  Stupid Things that you don't want to find on your child's Report  >
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: CV Extra : Superman to return in 2 weeks
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:49:35 GMT

>My problems with the clone thing are:
>     1) They tried this before and it didn't work.  The clones would Bizarro-fy
>as seem in Byrne's Man of Steel series.  Why should Cadmus have any more 
>success?
>     2) A clone (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) is a duplicate based on 
>genetic structure.  A clone of Superman could not be any of the mentioned races
>(or heritages or whatever the proper PC word is this week). He would be 
>Kryptonian.  Nuff said.

You don't have to worry about the clones. I was up late last night
watching TV when I happened to flip over to CNN. They had a brief story
on which reported that Superman was coming back in April and that he was
not coming back as a clone, and definately not coming back as four
clones. It is quoted from a DC spokesperson who was out to dispel these
"inaccurate rumors"

So it won't be "send out the clones" (ugh, but it had to be said). Next
theory on Supes Resurrection? Time travel, Kryptionian healing
technique, or whatever, I think we are all going to be disappointed.

BTW, I finally bought the "Death of Superman" TPB. No, it wasn't great,
but it would have to be utter dreck for me not to like it. I have read
considerably worse.

_craig
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superclones
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:23:31 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>Superman will return not as one Man of Steel - but as four.  Martin
>Stever, advertising and promotion manager for Capital City
>Distribution, said he has learned that there will be four Superman
>clones - an African-American, an Asian, a Caucasian and a Hispanic - 
>and that each will have his own book.  "DC Comics will bring Superman

Stay tuned for screams of outrage from minority groups that don't get
their own Superman. 
-- 
If it is a Miracle, any sort of evidence will answer, but if it is a Fact,
proof is necessary.  -- S. Clemens
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Request: Fantasy Titles
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:25:04 GMT

In article <C0GJIz.5KJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>Okay, here's a few:
>
>Sisterhood of STeel from EPIC, circa 1985 (only a few issues of this one)
>
>Tailgunner Jo, a miniseries from DC back in 87 I think.  Can't remember
>who write it, but it was the first place I saw Ty Templeton's inks.  I think
>Tom Artis (sp?) pencilled.  Fantasy/cyberpunk.  I liked it.  Weird tho.

	Thanks for the titles.  Tailgunner Jo is one of my favorites.
It's written by Peter B. Gillis (who used to write great stories, what
happened to him?) and the art was by Tom Artis.

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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:37:38 GMT

Jimmy Carter and then-Governor Jerry Brown appeared in a HULK (probably
around #240 or so) surveying some damage the Hulk or somebody else did.
(This story first got me wondering about that "Any similarity between
the characters in this story and anyone living or dead is coincidental"
statement.  I was young, and baffled.)

Also, (as I remember) David Cassidy was sworn in as President (with the
Beatles as Supreme Court) on the cover of one of Marvel's humor titles.
Nixon and probably Agnew were also on the cover, commenting on the
mistake of letting 18-year-olds vote, so it must not have been long
after that event.

Keith Handley   kehandley@amherst.edu
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:14:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>>Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.  The art is

>>nasty's out to get her" subplot.  What happens if Death is killed
>>on her day off?)

Of course she dies on her day off.  I thought
 that was the point (or at least A point).

So Vertigo is looking a lot like Epic.  Thas
 fine with me.
From: slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re:  Constantine's drinking buddy
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:58:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The ghost drinking with Constantine in the Vertigo Preview is "The Lord of the
Dance" from Hellblazer #49 (Jan. '92).  The issue was a one-shot Christmas
special.  If you have a chance, I recommend picking it up or borrowing someone
else's.  I found it very entertaining, even though it isn't standard Hellblazer
fare.

Feeling your pain,
Spence
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From: wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul MCNABOLA)
Subject: Request for repost:List of Comics w/Transformation themes
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:06:55 GMT



A while back there was posted an article which included a list of comics with
transformation themes.  I seem to have lost the article and would appreciate a repost if anyone has it.
Thanx in advance

Paul McNabola     wolf@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

"Always available, never free" --Buck Godot
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MARVEL: New Warriors #32
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:05:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) writes:

>I thought I'd anticipate a New Year's resolution to take a look at more
>titles I haven't tried and several titles I dropped ages ago.  Since
>the cover says "A new era of Warriors greatness begins here!", this
>seemed like a good opportunity to give it a try.

I picked it up with the previous issue, where Firestar, Cannonball, and
Warpath make the trek to Nova Roma to tell Empath and Magma that the Hellions
are dead.  While the net result of that was that Fabian retconned Nova Roma
and Selene's past out of existance, it *did* show that someone at Marvel
other than Alan Davis cares about tying up dangling plotlines.  (The last
issue of New Mutants I eagerly bought was the Claremont fill-in that led into
this issue, circa #65.)

>New Warriors is a type-II team comic:  A team-up of several characters,
>some of whom have considerable potential, and none of whom have the
>following to maintain a solo title.

Until Captain Atom's identity as Monarch (is that the name?  Here, I'm glad
to say memory fails me) was leaked, and they covered it up by trashing Hawk
and Dove's book, *that* was the premiere comic for fans of the super-hero
genre.  Negligible mutant agnst, relatively little Batman-psychosis, minimal
Superman/Spider-Man grandstanding, just a solid  super-hero comic with
believeable characters (within the limitations of the genre).

I've now read the last four issues of New Warrior (New Warriors and Force of
Nature in Trans-Sabaal, following up on Rick Jones' assassination of Farnoq
Dahn in the Hulk; Nova Roma trip, following up a Claremont story; and the
start of the Darkforce saga, designed to finally deal with the zillion
Darkforce wielders prancing around [Fabian even had a cameo with the Vanisher
looking for the Fallen Angels!]), and I'm wilking to say that New Warriors
is the logical successor to Hawk and Dove's title of the best super-hero comic
around.  This has the feeling of things happening and character changing,
something that few Marvel comics have featured outside of Claremont's mutants,
Peter David's Hulk, and Byrne's FF (2/3 of which are no more, you notice).

Speedbump is *still* annoying, though.

------------------------------
                             |     "What's that noise?" I asked Val.  "Sounds
Jim Drew                     | like an electric razor."
jrd@frame.com                |     "Ron's shaving," I was told.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Shaving?  Ron?  The guy who thinks everyone
"Innocent, but not naive."   | would look better with a beard, even Madonna?"
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "Who said anything about shaving his
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *beard?*" Val said, and scratched idly at his
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | chest.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: A good death (was: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:25:03 GMT

dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay):
>...which character's death did you think was best. I always liked Karate 
>Kid's in LSH (V3) #4. With Brainwave's death in Infinity, Inc. # 10 in a 
>close second.

'Best' as in died well, as in died amusingly, or as in most welcome
to the reader?

I'd nominate Supergirl or Flash for the first, and Dr Light or any of several
Cerebus characters (none of whom had the courtesy to stay dead either)
for the second.  The trouble with category three is that the more I want
to see a character die, the less likely it is that the character will
stay dead.

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