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From: scsd1055@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Aikman/Walsh controversy farce???
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:11:54 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

	I know that the following will rehash an already tosssed and
turned subject, but an interesting thought occured.

	I wonder if Dallas pulled a little wool over everyones eyes by 
creating the Steve Walsh/Troy Aikman controversy just to improve Steve 
Walsh's trading value.
        
	Try this out.  Here's Jimmy Johnson looking at his teams' worth
and saying,  "well I've got Troy Aikman...and...well I've got Troy."   Along
comes the following years draft, which I perceived as poor.   What does Dallas
do?  They needs people at all positions, but being that the draft selection is
poor they opt for an impact player...a QB.  The reason for this is that if 
they can somehow deceive the whole of the NFL into believing that they have a
problem, two great QBs (either of which will be established as the starter),
and a team that needs anything they can get at the other positions, then Dallas
will be able to trade one QB (Steve Walsh) for multiple draft picks in the
following years draft (and or veteran players), thus giving them multiple 
drafts in the following draft years.  The idea of having a large quantity of 
draft choices is a pleasing one to a team that needs talent at all positions.
	One of the reasons that I have brought this up is that some people
here in the group think that Steve Walsh is a deserved first string QB in the
NFL, and that all he needs is time and a team to call his own.  I say that
somehow Dallas either did the above (created the controversy to bolster Walsh's
value in the NFL), or found out what we in NO have discovered the hard way;
that Walsh is a popgun QB unworthy of first string on a playground club.

	Well...does anyone else see this as plausible?  It's not really
an issue of great import, but something to think about.  Hell, if Dallas did
create the controversy, then I salute them for a farce well done!  Shit
they pulled off a hell of a deal with the Walker trade...why not Walsh?

Bill P.
-- Geaux Saints -- Hello free agency, and goodbye Bobby!
-- Geaux NFC!
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wanted/Predictions
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:19:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan27.201941.4589
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1k6ferINN6ir@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.022544.20378@oracle.us.oracle.com> alaw@oracle.com writes:
>>mg5c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael D. Goettsche) writes:
>>>just a
>>>score.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>Dallas 27
>>>Buffalo 17
>>
>>Dallas   44
>>Buffalo  14
>	


I'll go with Buffalo 27, Dallas 21...
-- 
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uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
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From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Subject: OFFICIAL: Reeves GIANTS Head coach
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:26:38 GMT
Summary: "..., and watch the GIANTS play football."

At 2:12pm EST Dan Reeves was introduce to the New York media as
the GIANTS Head Coach.

And the very first question ask of him was "Who will be youre QB"
and the responce was exactly the same as Handely (or any reasonably
intellegent person ): "we'll see during camp"

Another of the question ask was about his Off./Def Schemes
He liked "Attacking" (good bye Rod Rust) defence and a "Strong" running game
but he want multiple formation (ala red skins) offence.

The media grilled him about being 3rd choise, money, and his "need" for
more controll over who is drafted , SB-20 loss to the GIANTS, .. etc.

His first priority is to get a coaching staff in place in the next
few days.

By the way Bill Parcells basically grabbed ALL the coaching staff from
the 1990 GIANTS according the NY Times, including one of the most
underrated staff member, strength coach Jonny Parker.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Funny SB quote
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:31:35 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

This comes from Nate Newton ( DALLAS COWBOYS ), it was
in USA Today,

"On my answering machine I've already got the message: 
	'If I didn't offer you any tickets during the regular season,
	 , I sure ain't going to offer you any Super Bowl tickets'"

I guess I shouldn't bother calling then :-),
  
 Greg
From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Halftimes
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:55:20 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

buds@nsr.hp.com (Bud Sloan) writes:

>Does anyone know how to get this thread to NFL headquarters?  I don't know
>about other people but, unless I have a real favorite in the game, after
>about 15-20 minutes I start looking around for something else interesting
>on TV.  As far as I am personally concerned, they are selling me less of
>whatever they are advertising after that.

>This year I do have a favorite though, so I'll probably come back after
>45 minutes.

Yepp....to summarize Superbowl halftimes, think back to last year's Simpsons:
 
[Homer and Lisa are watching the Superbowl on the couch...]
[glitzy smoke and light effects on the field.  In the center is a spacecraft.
It opens and some aliens come out.]
 
aliens: "Earthlings...we have come Millions of miles to tell you this...."
 
[aliens start singing and dancing to "Rock around the Clock"]
 
------
What a classic!

--
     "Where there's a will--                                  Phil Dietz
         there's a C!                                 pdietz@cse.unl.edu
                                                  University Of Nebraska
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Young: always the qb's interceptions?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:37:21 GMT

In article <athos-190193171511@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <C14HBr.5uw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
>(Gary Beason) wrote:
>> 
>> I read Rick Eames and other 9er fans blame the interceptions on Young.
>> 
>> Yet, isn't the possibility that they were necessarily all his fault?
>> 
>> Norton did an excellent fake in his coverage.  Maybe he *made* that
>> interception.
>
>When you throw a ball and admit you can't quite see where you're throwing
>it, it's a bad pass.  Young blew the first down pass, he knows that.
>
>He had 6 turnovers in 2 games: this is usually considered "bad."
>
>The biggest problem, however, is that Young doesn't seem to understand the
>"throw to Jerry Rice" thing.  Rice had, what, 1 (maybe 2) catch in the
>first half?  Incredible.
>

Let me see if I understand.  Young does not understand the Niner
offense but you do? Incredible.  Seifert does not understand which
QB to start but you do?  It is just to bad you were not coaching
because we would have been in the Superbowl for sure :-)

If the Niner staff felt Montana could have done a better job then
young then the would have started him.  They did not start Young
just to piss you off.  They did it because they thought that this
gave them their best chance to win.  This is based on the fact that
have seen them both in practice an know what each is capable off.
They work with both of them.  And, football is their life.
They have years of experience in the field, unlike me you or anybody
on the net.

Face it, Dallas is a better football team this year, Joe Montana's
best year's are behind him, and there is no easter bunny.

>You had the best receiver not getting passes and the best QB warming a
>bench.  Interesting.
>
>
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>"The Lord prefers common-looking people. That is why he makes so many of
>them."  - Lincoln
>
>"But you know what?  There's another point that I'd like to make: it's very
>possible that Adolf Hitler kept a very nice check book.  You know?  I mean,
>and that's fine."  -- Barbara Boxer, Bill Press Show, KFI, 10/24/92
>##############################################################################



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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bobby Hebert
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:40:38 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

I recall back in 1990 that Al Davis tried to trade for Bobby Hebert.
Seeing as how the Saints may be getting tired of Mr. Cha Choke, what
do you think the odds are for a trade: Bobby for Marcus Allen and a
second rounder?

satish nair
giants (reeves... bah!)
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Holmgren selected NFC Coach of the Year
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1jp7buINN1gc@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>The voting was done by The Committee of 101, a group of 101 writers and
>broadcasters that regularly cover the NFL. In other news, Mike Singletary
>will play in the Pro-Bowl. In the AFC, Shannon Sharpe and Greg Lloyd were
>added to the squad. When was the last time two brothers both made the Pro-
>Bowl in the same year (Sterling and Shannon)?
>
>--salty


Didn't Clay Matthews and his bro Bruce make it 2 years ago?  How about
Michael Dean and Fridge (did the Fridge ever make the Pro Bowl)?

satish nair
giants
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Yet Another SB Trivia Quiz!!
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:03:57 GMT
 <107067@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <107067@netnews.upenn.edu>
satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

> 1. How many yards did Thurmon Thomas gain in LAST years Super Bowl?

     40 yards - 13 rushing, 27 receiving

> 2. Who holds the career record for most yards from scrimmage?

     Assuming you're not including QB passing yards (Montana), I'll say
Lynn Swann's 364 yards in his 4 games with the Steelers.

> 3. Who had the longest punt return?

     John Taylor, 45 yards

> 4. Who scored the most TDs in a game (receiving, rushing and returns)?

     Again, assuming your not talking QB's (Montana), Jerry Rice and
Roger Craig both have 3.

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Halftimes
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:31:26 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

When I told my dad, who will be at the game, that MJ is doing the halftime 
show he said he'll be going to the bathroom at halftime.  I think when 
they get $200 for a ticket they should have some halftime 
entertainment more suited to the taste of the average football fan.  I 
don't think MJ is real big with the males 25-60.  I said they shoulda had 
Frisbee dogs.  On the other hand, I think my dad woulda prefered 
Johnny Cash.

JGH
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 20 Jan 1993 20:43:54 EST
From: <JMOORE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject:    Superbowl Hype

I keep reading that the Bills were undefeated against the NFC this season.
So what, the Cowboys were undefeated against the AFC this season beating both
Kansas City and Denver on the road as well as the Raiders and the Seahawks.
Also I am very disappointed that Buffalo won again this year.  They had their
chances in the past and I just wanted to see someone different in there.
Also,  I am tired of hearing all of you Bills fans crying  about the lack of
respect that your team is getting.  IMO, the Bills are no better than the
third best team in the league behind the Cowboys and Niners.  I have a great
idea about how the Bills can gain some respect:  WIN A FUCKING SUPER BOWL!
Also,  we will see how the Bills fare against the NFC next year when they
have to play the likes of Dallas, Philly, and Washington.
The reason I believe that the Cowboys are the best team in the league is that
they are the only team ranked in the top five in  all major offensive and
defensive categories (rushing Off-5th, rush defense-1st, pass off-5th, pass
defense-4th).  I believe that this is the last hurrah for the Bills.  If
they don't win it this time (which I seriously doubt) then it will probably
be a very long time before they appear in a Super Bowl again.  We will have to
change their names to the Buffalo Broncos '.'
                                         ___/

Prediction  Dallas  38
            Buffalo 10

The biggest challenge for Buffalo to overcome will be the No. 1 defense of
the Cowboys.  Also I think that Emmitt Smith will be able to run all over
the Bill's defense.

Go Cowboys!
My team!
America's team!
God's team!
J. ROBERT MOORE
UNIV. OF MAINE AT PRESQUE ISLE
DISCLAIMER: ALL VIEWS ARE MY OWN AND NOT THOSE OF THE UNIVERSITY
MORALITY, LIKE ART, CONSISTS OF DRAWING THE LINE SOMEWHERE. (AU)
From: timl@mips.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas vs. SF, N*iced* Notes
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:53:58 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

In article <1jnclfINNpqa@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>In article <1jn9qkINNlpl@spim.mti.sgi.com> timl@mti.sgi.com writes:
>>
>>Charles Haley had no sacks BUT he was the key guy in one of the key plays of
>>the game. Now I have to go back and review the tape to make sure it was him but
>>wasn't he the guy that was held on the Rice (non)TD pass? So on this play if he
>>
>
>Sorry!  Nice Try!  The guy who almost made Young a permanent part of the

Nice try? I don't get it, what am I trying to do?

>turf (I have never seen a non-hit turned into such a big deal..., maybe
>Young would have sidestepped and still hit Rice for the TD..) was 

Agreed, but I as a 9er fan can't say something like that for fear of
the accusition of whining:^)

>the #1 #1 pick in 1990, one Russell Maryland.  It was not Charles Haley.
>They Haley legend has gotten so big that the cowboys had to inflate
>his QB pressure stats (the team reports those, they are NOT an official
>NFL stat, by the way) to keep the media and his ego happy.

Is that how they keep him happy. The niners were not willing to do that.
It was more of a "shut up and play for the team, forget about yourself"
attitude they used. I guess that doesn't go over too well with a Haley
or a McKyer.

>
>Anyway, your entire argument is moot.  check the tape, the guy who

Okay, you're right, if you WATCH the tape you see it is number 67 being
held and not Haley. I assume that #67 is Maryland. The reason I was fooled
was due to John Madden's description of the play. He said Charles Haley
is the guy Macintyre is blocking and he gets his hand on Charles Haley's
left thigh and Charles Haley was going to sack Young. Come on John it was
Maryland's RIGHT thigh. He didn't even get the body part right! Oh well...
It was a key play:^)

>almost separated Young from his head and limbs (isn't this supposition
>great) and was held was the DL out of Miami....

It would take some hit to separate his Young's and limbs...

>
>*ice*


	Tim
From: fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas/Buffalo
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:32:56 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1jp1ktINN7u1@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <1993Jan21.210410.18917@pixel.kodak.com> fbrown@ssd.kodak.com writes:
>
>[about the Oiler's O-line]
>
>> They might have ate them for breakfast in the first half but they got their
>> hats handed to them in the second. I dont think they touched Reich after the
>> interception. I think that 32 pt comeback showed that the Bills are a team
>> of destiny. They cant lose!
>
>  They most certainly can.  They lost several games this season, just like
>everybody else in the league.
> 
I did not mean that they will never lose another game. I do not think
another pro team can equal Miami`s undefeated year. I do think they will
win the SB though.



>  They also had the good fortune to play the single worst-choking team I
>have ever known.  The 32-point 1st half is indicative of weakness, the come-

What 32-point 1st half are you talking about. If you are talking about the
Bills comeback game the score at the half was 28-3. First you misinterpret
my saying the Bills cant lose the SB and now you have a 32 point 1st half
that in actuality was the margin for the comeback. You have to be high
on drugs or something. :^)

>back indicative of guts and tenacity.  But the fact the Oiler's played
>like pithed frogs no doubt played a part...
>
>  Dallas almost let the Giants do the same thing early in the season.  But
>they didn't.  I wouldn't count on a 17+ point comeback (assuming the Cowboys
>build that kind of a lead, which I doubt -- I think the final margin will
>be 10 pts or less) in the SB.
>
>
>semper fi,
>
>Jammer Jim Miller 
>Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:35:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <93020.155811RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBE
RGEN) writes:
>Hi all!
>
>This may come at completely the wrong time, when everybody is only
>interested in rehashing the Cowboys-Niner game, or surrendering to
>the SB hype, but then again I may not be able to post after the
>SB :-)
>So here's my question.
>
>If you see a player wearing nr.16 or 13, you associate immediately
>with Joe Montana and Dan Marino. Teams would retire certain jersey
>numbers if the players who wore them were sufficiently unique.
>Knowing that QB's are in the range of 1-19 (20?), I wonder if
>you all could come up with a list of 'the most famous player
>to wear nr. xx' in the range from 1-19. P's and K's are also
>allowed of course, and ties for 'most famous' will also be
>accepted. There are enough flame wars here already.
>So, to show off my infinite knowledge of past and present QB's,
>I'll start the list myself:
>
>...
>7. John Elway
>...
>13. Dan Marino
>...
>16. Joe Montana
>...
11. Fran Tarkington and Y.A. Tittle
19. Johnny Unitas
16. Jim Plunkett
12. Rodger Staughback (sp?)
10. Sorry, Fran wore this #, not 11 as I noted above.
15. Bart Starr (2-0 in SuperBowls I & II)
12. Joe Nameth
12. Bob Greise
12. Terry Bradshaw
>
>Let's see this list complete, and we (=you) can do RB's and other positions
>later also.
>Cheers,
>         Rene Zandbergen
>
-- 
-Matthew Narby-
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: schmittj@sthelens.ee.umn.edu (Jonathan Schmitt)
Subject: Re: The Human-like Mascot Theory and Super Bowls
Keywords: game theory
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:46 GMT

In <30264@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@cs.arizona.edu (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:

>While the ignorant masses post meaningless drivel about NFC domination, 
>an enlightened few discern the true mark of domination in the NFL:
>a human-like mascot.  I'll present the raw, hard data in a moment, 
>but just keep in mind that, unlike the purely on-paper categorization of 
>NFC or AFC, team mascots play an important, seemingly all-important,
>role in the on-field action, vividly displayed on the helmets of most
>NFL teams, and always carried in the heart of every NFL player.  Consider for 
>the nonce, the contrast between the ferocious, fear-inducing Raider, 
>and the weak, ineffectual Charger lightning bolt.  The result, 3 SB 
>victories for the Raiders, none for Chargers.  Now for the statistical data. 

>Total NFL Teams: 28
>  Teams with Human-like(*) mascots: 12
>  Teams with nonHuman-like mascots: 16

>Super Bowls: 26
>  Winning Team has Human-like mascot: 21 (Packers, Giants, 49ers, Redskins,
>                                          Raiders, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys) 
>  Winning Team has nonHuman-like mascot: 5 (Bears, Dolphins, Colts, Jets)

>Note that human-like mascot teams have won 17 of the last 18 SuperBowls.
>I'd be scared too if I were a Bills fan.

This is pretty interesting actually.  In the 5 superbowls won by non humnan
type mascots, the losers were Patroits, Redskins, Vikings, Cowboys, Colts.
Super Bowl III is the only to match to non human mascots so far(4%of the
SuperBowls).  
What would be interesting is to see how having a human mascot effects a 
teams chances of getting to the superbowl.  
Human mascot Teams:
Patroits: 1
Steelers: 4
Kansas City: 2
Raiders: 4    
Cowboys: 6        
Redskins: 5
Giants: 2
Vikings: 4
Bucanears: 0
Saints: 0
49ers: 4 
Packers: 2
Total: 34

Non Human:
Dolphins: 5
Colts: 2
Jets: 1
Bills: 3
Bengels: 2
Broncos: 4
Eagles: 1
Bears: 1
Rams: 1
Lions,Falcons,Cardinals,Chargers,Seahawks,Oilers,Browns:0
Total: 20

These numbers might not be exactly correct but they do show that it is
definitly better to have your team after a human type mascot:
63% of the superbowl teams have human mascot (+ or - 2%)
86% of human mascot teams have gone to the super bowl versus 56%
81% of super bowls have been won by human mascot teams
Between 27% and 31% of the super bowls have been of Human vs. Human mascot

Maybe someone should do a little digging into regular season records and
in head to head matchups.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What's the difference?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:17:17 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

Hi there
I read in today's papers that Steve Young won the NFL 
Player of the Year award. They also mentioned he was 
the MVP. I cannot decipher the difference . can anybody
explain?
Thanks
Bye