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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: It's a grand old team to play for ??
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:54:26 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In recent times there have been a number of postings concerning 
the role of Mr Murray and his famous Glasgow Rangers. The remarks
have sneered at the business side of the club but perhaps we 
should make a comparison of Rangers and Celtic. Here are some
striking examples,

Consider the business style of Rangers. BUy a player from Everton for
1.5 million, win a few leagues, sell him to a French club for 5.5 million,
use the money to complete the stadium re-development, still win the league
and then buy back the same player for 2.4 million thus making a few million
in the process.

NOw consider the business style of Celtic. Buy some dodgy players for
medium sized fees (0.5 to 1 million), play them, realise they're rotten,
put them in the reserves until someone buys them for a 1/10  of the 
original price and win no trophies for 3 years. Add in a stadium bill for
100 million quid and you can see who's in the know how....   :-)

So the role of Mr Murray is very simple ::  to ensure there's enough 
cheques in Walter Smith's chequebook for the coming season and let him
get on with the job of running the team. Simple. Anyone could do it. Discuss.
-- 
Sandy Mackinnon                Out now, the  new Celtic single :-
University of Strathclyde      "Where the strips have no names"
Glasgow
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Bulgaria France
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:44:37 GMT

In Bulgaria, for WC qualifying

Bulgaria 2  France 0

Andy
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US team's Italian tour results?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 00:46:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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The US lost 3-0 to Juventus and 4-0 to Fiorentina.
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From: Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer)
Subject: Re: US team's Italian tour results?
Summary: Bad tour 
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:25:53 GMT

I believe they only played Fiorentina and Juve and were killed by both
teams (4-0 and 2-0 respectively, I think). That means the last time this
team scored a goal was in the 1-1 draw with Italy in US Cup '92. Sigh...

                                            Matthew Lehrer

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: naming trivia quiz
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:35:38 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:

>In <12740@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>>
>>DONCASTER        2-1 BARNET
>>Gormley 1            Barnett 52
>>Jeffrey 45

>Anyone think of other players/clubs with the same (or similar,
>or highly appropriate) names?

Italian (former?) international De Napoli has played (still does?)
for Napoli.

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From: marco@damrod.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: NPSL franchise moves
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:33:18 GMT


In article <9209100242.AA02237@cs.utexas.edu> CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes:
>
> [stuff deleted].
>
>As for competition with the CSL, the APSL did very well, elminating Van-
>couver and Montreal in the Professional Cup competition between teams
>from both leagues. I agree, that a merger between the two leagues (plus
>teams in all of the WC '94 sites would be a big improvement over the
>skeletal league now.

I agree with you here; it would surely make things more interesting
for both fans and players, although Montreal needs a bigger and better
venue for hosting soccer games. Besides, being in a more competitive
league would force teams to build their sides accordingly, and I'm
sure that fan interest would follow. There's a big base of potential
soccer fans here in the city, and I would guess elswhere in the US and
Canada; the Olympic stadium was sold out (55,000+) on a couple (or was
it three?) occasions when the Montreal Manic, playing in their first
year of the now-defunct NASL, met the Los Angeles Aztecs, in the
play-offs.

Another idea would be to have European-style Cup matches between the
club champs of the various CONCACAF countries. I believe that
something along these lines started up this spring, and that the CSL's
entry, the Vancouver 86ers, withdrew from the competition. Although
this idea sounds interesting to me, now that I think about it a little
more carefully, I'm not sure whether Cup matches would be more
interesting for the public than, say, mini-tournament games which
feature teams from Italy, etc. These tournament matches may be
interesting for the public, but these games are usually taken lightly
by the invited teams, and consequently, the benefits in terms of
experience to Canadian/US teams would be little. Cup matches, on the
other hand, would be better for the players; they'd get used to
playing in do-or-die situations, as happens in World Cup qualifiers.
But would the average soccer fan prefer to see a popular European club
teams playing on the local ground in a friendly?

Any comments?

Marco...
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From: stoyani@pell1l1.alleg.edu (Ivailo Stoyanov)
Subject: Re:WC qualifications
Keywords: Bulgaria-France
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:39:01 GMT

Hi everybody:

	GRERAT WIN!!!

	BULGARIA 2 - France 0 

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Bulgaria        2 2 0 0  5  0  4
Sweden          1 1 0 0  1  0  2
Austria         0 0 0 0  0  0  0
Israel          0 0 0 0  0  0  0
France          1 0 0 1  0  2  0
Finland         2 0 0 2  0  4  0


Can anybody post some more details about it.
Thank you.

Ivailo Stoyanov
(stoyani@alleg.edu)
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Australia: name changes enforced?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:49:05 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Sep7.235845.14735@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>, kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
> I have just read (in an Austrian sports magazine) that the Australian
> FA has required the clubs Melbourne Croatia, South Melbourne Hellas,
> Peresta Makedonia and Heidelberg Alexander to change their names. If
> they would refuse to abandon the reference to foreign names, they
> would be excluded from the championship.
> 
> Is this true, and what is the rationale behind it? The current situation
> in the Balkan (pity for Heidelberg then...)?
> 
> Any Australian care to comment?
> 
> Karel
> -- 
> -- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
>  -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
> "O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
>  die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]


      The reason is basically to get more people to the games. 
    Officials believe that the majority of the population don't 
    become aligned with local clubs because they are not interested 
    in the ethnic bickering that goes on. 
     
      I agree totally. I went to a South Melbourne Hellas/Preston
    Makedonia match a couple years ago to watch a game of football. 
    Instead I got caught in the middle of a riot between angry
    Macedonians and Greeks. I am a fan of world football but I will
    never again go to a local game. I'd much rather go watch Aussie
    Rules footy (better game too).


    Gavin Patrick.
    T9014192@phillip.ed
   
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From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Australia: name changes enforced?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:56:33 GMT

psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:

>Unfortunately incidents like this do occur in Australia. Next to Israel,
>Australia is the most multicultural society in the world, but a lot of
>minorities tend to stick to their own groups, rather than think of
>themselves as Australians with a different heritage.  

No offense intended, but how does one see Israel  as the most
multicultural society in the world?

This admittedly has little to do with soccer, that's why I did not
post the question.

Serdar
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From: dps@maths.tcd.ie (Padraic Murray)
Subject: liverpool suck
Summary: no kinda autumn
Keywords: shite souness is a tosser
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:07:13 GMT


i think that liverpool are a crock of shit since that tosser
souness took over
how can a team be managed by a stupid ould fart who noone south
of Ibrox can understand a word he says and that scummy tache doesnt
help
he swore he'd never leave rangers and then liverpool begged him so
off he fucked
liverpool were a bit fucked up but they were okay
then souness came in and said whoa lets get relegated
so he sold houghton and beardsley and staunton
and bought a welsh shepard by the name of saunders which
turned out to be the biggest fuck up since 1966
how can a manager be so bad sort me out with his cash and 
i guarantee a championship side
then the tosser from scotland faked a heart attack so he wouldnt get 
fired what a lowdown trick that was


















sorry i had to go to the toilet
he then bought a crappy brickheaded black who is weedier than
a nettle (walters) and insisted in putting him in the first team
at the expense of a huge fat skillful bast from denmark (molby)


his only good decision was the strip its kinda nice but dont ask
me where he got green when did you see liverpool play in green
you'd want to have had one fucked up TV
its like making blueberry pie with cauliflower

i dont think he could manage a shit without wetting his arse
i'm suprised he managed to pick up the phone when liverpool
rang him in glasgow and rangers have a lot to answer for all those
scots got together and let rangers win about 175 years in a row
so souness would seem good and they could get rid of the ould fart
 bye for now more later
From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Newcastle United
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:05:42 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.



                 Newcastle United 3 Portsmouth 1

Newcastle united paralysed Portsmouth in front of another full house
of 29,885.

Two superlative first half goals put them firmly in the driving seat
and they had Jim Smith's side on the rack for the full 90 minutes.

It was a triumphant return for Mick Quinn against his old club - in
his first match of the season he scored twice, one in each half and
had another chalked off for offside against Kelly.

It was Quinn that opened the scoring in the 16th minute with a bullet
header following a magnificant move in which Sheedy and Clark played a
significant part.

Then after 41 minutes Quinn expertly laid the ball off for Kelly to
create space and time to net another corker. 

United were magnificant the first half with a midfield trio of Clark,
O'Brian and Sheedy dictating things and after the interval there was
still no respite for Pompey.

The third goal United thoroughly deserved came in 76 minutes from
Quinn following a Beresford-Carr build-up.

United stretched their winning sequence to six league games in a style
which makes them look red-hot favourites to end up as First Division
champions.

A scoreline of six or seven would not have flattered United with some
bizarre refereeing decisions being made mid-way through the second
half, combined with Quinn and Kelly missing almost open goals in the
second half, and the woodwork being rattled twice in the first.
From: hougaard@daimi.aau.dk (Ole I. Hougaard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Denmark - Germany
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:07:35 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark


In <1992Sep9.232728.16190@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:

>This game tonight was called in German media 'the revanche'.
>And the german team had some kind of revenge ...


>Denmark  1  :  2  Germany

>H. Larsen         Riedle
>		  Effenberg

Just to keep the record straight: Lars Elstrup scored the Danish goal.

- Ole.
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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Prime Sports soccer broadcasts
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:39:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep14.151137.26877@u.washington.edu> 
rcampb@carson.u.washington.edu (Russell Campbell) writes:

>Well my local Prime affiliate has begun broadcasting the English 
>Premier League games and I finally get to see some decent football.  

>I got up this past Saturday & settled down with the remote, a 
>cup of tea, and a pair of hot, toasted crumpets and was treated 
>to a wonderfull match between Tottenham and Everton.  Thoroughly 
>enjoyable.  

Indeed!  I especially like the way they handle commercial 
interruptions.  Since the matches are taped anyway, they simply 
'pause' the action while they show the adverts.  When they return 
to the game, we've missed nothing!  For a taped game, I find that 
method perfectly acceptable.  SportsChannel could learn from that  
(on their "Route to '94" broadcasts.)  They just stick in the 
adverts and seem to leave the 'game tape' running - so we miss 2-3 
minutes of the game every time they break for commercials.

Here in the Boston area, we seem to be doubly blessed - NESN shows 
Premier League games at 10AM Saturday, and SportsChannel does the 
same at 9PM Monday.  I'll have the VCR set tonight for sure...I 
just hope they aren't showing the same game NESN does Saturday 
morning. :-) 

===================================================================
Bob Moynihan                         Bush/Quayle '92: Just say noe.
moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Go Ipswich Town!
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "ECU" Kramer)
Subject: Re: SOUNESS
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:43:14 GMT

In article <BuFqp5.B2v@ecf.toronto.edu> yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy) writes:
>In article <199209102300.AA04470@rata.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
>>Just to throw in my tuppenceworth, I always thought that Souness was one of
>>the filthiest players I ever saw---which is exactly what you need in the

There's a difference between dirty and going all out to break someones leg,
which Souness has tried on more than one occasion, at least one which was
a televised match in England, in which he was going for a 50-50 ball and
deliberately raised his leg and studded his opponent. Disgusting. If you
did that in the High Street you could get done for GBH. I don't think
he ever played against someone like Claudio Gentile, mangler of Maradona
and Zico in World Cup '82. Shame. He might have got a taste of his own
footballing 'style' (and then some more). As for management style, given
millions most managers could do a better job (and most have on their limited
resources).

And no, I'm not a Man U supporter.

Have a nice (footballing) weekend.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Wales-Faroe Islands
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:43:11 GMT

At Wales

Wales 6  Faroe Islands 0

Andy

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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Re: European Cups standings so far (as on September 9)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:14:52 GMT

In <9209092320.AA13650@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch) writes:
>2.) According to the table above, the current "Big Five" of Europe are
>    Latvia, Israel, Ukraine, Slovenia and Luxembourg. Wow !

Wanna bet, Pavel? 

I bet no team of the "Big Five" would be in the semis... 8-)

Cheers,

Michael.
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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: WC qualifications
Keywords: Bulgaria-France
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.233901.996@pellns.alleg.edu> stoyani@pell1l1.alleg.edu (Ivailo Stoyanov) writes:
>Hi everybody:
>
>	GRERAT WIN!!!
>
>	BULGARIA 2 - France 0 
>
>		P W D L  F  A Pts
>Bulgaria        2 2 0 0  5  0  4
>Sweden          1 1 0 0  1  0  2
>Austria         0 0 0 0  0  0  0
>Israel          0 0 0 0  0  0  0
>France          1 0 0 1  0  2  0
>Finland         2 0 0 2  0  4  0
>
>
>Can anybody post some more details about it.
>Thank you.
>
>Ivailo Stoyanov
>(stoyani@alleg.edu)


1st goal was from a penalty taken by Stoichov, who shot to the lower right.
The 2nd goal loooked more of a freak shot; it was high and looked to be
coming down over the crossbar, but instead changed paced and went straight
down going under the crossbar. Martini was obviously confused and didn't
try to tip it over but did at the last moment and was too late.

I saw the higlights on Tg2 on RAI about 7.55pm EDT. Also later in the night,
CSPAN2 showed the same goals on some Russian news around 10.55pm EDT. The
Russian news is translated so the goals could be heard too. :-)

I'm, pretty sure they'll be highlights shown of all WC qualifers played
on wednesday night on RAI at 7.15pm EDT today. Check it out!

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From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Australia: name changes enforced?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:41:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <18l4r1INNrcd@agate.berkeley.edu>, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.235756.22466@ucc.su.OZ.AU> thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie) writes:
>>	
     (stuff deleted). 

> Then, changing TEAMS names won't do any good; PLAYERS' names should be changed
> as well; even Farina sounds suspicios; Wheat(on) should be more palatable to
> Australian purists...|-)
> 
> 
>>Anyone who has heard of the disgraceful riot between the supporters
>>(and some players) of serbian and croatian affiliated teams will know what I 
>>mean. 
> 
> Wow, if this scheme works, and if the newly renamed Croat and Serbian teams
> stop fighting, then we may have a solution for the conflict in former Yugo-
> slavia! Give them all tiny countries new names and maybe they'll stop figh-
> ting too!
> 
   
  The point is that the Aus. Soccer Federation dosn't care whether
 the nationalities riot, as long as they do it in their own time, 
 away from the soccer.
  
  By changing the names they hope that the Greeks, Croats, Serbs,
 etc will be overun by beer swilling, fair dinkum Aussies who only
 care about getting stoned and not about international politics.
  
  Sounds pretty twisted eh!

> This "name changing" solution is evidently hare-brained!
> 
> Cheers!
> -- 
> Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
> Department of Economics

  Gavin Patrick.
  T9014192@phillip.ed.au
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From: marco@damrod.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: naming trivia quiz
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:05:09 GMT

In article <9209102219.AA02527@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>Fernando De Napoli, the last I heard, was transferred from Napoli
>to Milan this summer.  I don't know if he is playing or not for AC, however.

As Ken says above, De Napoli is indeed with Milan, although I'm not
sure if he's played in recent matches. He might play in Coppa Italia
or Champions' Cup games if he's not playing in the league games...

Marco...
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From: Gary.Moh@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gary Moh)
Subject: more info on Asian Championship
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:39:33 GMT


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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scotland to wear Metal Jacket?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:14:43 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Sep11.102747.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> After the Swiss game, pressure will be on the Scottish Head Teacher to play the
> following team aginst Portugal at $Ibrox:
> 
> GORAM     (MIM FC)
> MCPHERSON (MIM FC)
> ROBERTSON (MIM FC)
> BROWN     (MIM FC)
> NISBET    (MIM FC)
> MCCALL    (MIM FC)
> MCALLISTER (LEEDS, BUT SUPPORTS MIM FC)
> FERGUSON  (MIM FC)
> DURRANT   (MIM FC)
> MCCOIST   (MIM FC)
> DURIE     (SPURS, BUT HEART LIES AT MIM FC)

....what, and deprive us of Tom Boyd and Brian McLair. So who would be 
the team  captian. I reckon either BOmber Broon or Hen Broon.
> 
> If there is some surprise at the inclusion of Nisbet, it should be pointed out
> that his failure to be a regular member of the MIM FC first team this season
> made him an automatic choice for the Scotland team.
> 
> Mr Murray is rumoured to be having talks with his friends in HM Government
> about the possible renaming of an area of real estate somewhere north of
> Watford to MIMLAND.
> 
> Just a rumour?
> Chris
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