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From: laurent@archi.imag.fr (Jacques LAURENT)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: WANTED - recommendation for ski boot fitters in Lyon or Grenoble
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:06:13 GMT
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France

wilcock@bigbos.enet.dec.com (John Wilcock) writes:

>>En tous cas, ca ne manque pas de magasins de sport et de specialistes ski
>>autour de Grenoble. 

>C'est justement parce qu'il y a un grand choix de magasins que je pose la 
>question - est-ce que quelqu'un peut me conseiller un _tres_bon_ magasin 
>specialiste avec du personnel _competent_ et un vrai sens du service.

Ouais mais pas facile de faire de la pub et puis on est pas la pour ca.
Cote Grenoble ce qui est sur c'est que la presence de plusieurs (ex)
champions-celebrites de ceci ou de cela (ski, rando, escalade, glace...)
qui ont monte un magasin, assure la competence que vous souhaitez pour
les conseils. Les plus connus sont sur le cours Jean-Jaures et l'avenue 
Alsace-Lorraine. Bonne chance.
-- 
Cordialement,
---
Jacques LAURENT -> laurent@imag.fr
Organization: Applications Software, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:29:27 -0500 
From: James Anders Cuddy <jc4i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Aspen report anyone?

For the benefit for all of us out east...

What are the current conditions and forecast for Aspen.  Any predictions
for mid-December?

Thanks,
Jim
jc4i+@andrew.cmu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wbb@pajaro.berkeley.edu (Bill Baringer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Misc. ski gear for sale
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:45:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: pajaro.berkeley.edu


I'm moving house, help me reduce the load, offer me anything:

		Heierling XC ski boots, 50mm nordic norm, euro size 45
		(u.s. size 10-11).  For touring or skating.  

		Summit low-cut XC touring boots, men's 9

		Burt retractable downhill plate bindings.  $30/bo

		XC: purple klister, black tar base wax; please take this

		small "boda" bag for wine, juice


Hiking:		Vasque hiking boots, solid leather, size "6M".
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:22:58 GMT
Organization: EDS Research

>>> I don't know about the rest of the people hanging out on this group, but I
>>> find this attitude very bothersome and at odds with other newsgroups I read
>>> on the net.
>>
>>Oh boy.. Here we go again...

Actually, all off-the-topic banter and bullshit that goes on in this group
is what makes it one of my favorites.  It behaves more like a normal
conversation than any other group I subscribe too.  And the number of
whiners who constantly post irrelevant messages to chastise others for
posting irrelevant messages is virtually non-existent, which I find
refreshing.  As Klaus goes on to say in the rest of his article, really,
most of the ski-related information posted here is subjective anyway,
except maybe for snow reports or ticket prices, and even some of that is
fiction (Taos, for example, is famous for increasing snow depth over the
phone).

Judging by the number and nature of follow-ups to humorous messages in this
group, I'd say that most of the folks who have been monitoring it regularly
for a long time like that stuff.

Now, where'd The Shark go?

h. kelly shuldberg`
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: roakes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rick Oakes)
Subject: Re: Crested Butte
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Summary: free skiing
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:19:12 GMT

In article <1689CE9E2.GVCF746@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU> GVCF746@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU writes:
>There's a rumor going around that Crested Butte is having free skiing
>sometime around the first of December.  Does anyone have any info?

This is not a rumor, it is a well documented fact.  The two weeks of
free skiing last year worked so well that this year it is expanded
to a month.  From their scheduled opening date, 20 November, to 
19 December, lift tickets at Crested Butte will be free.  All you 
have to do is let them put you on their mailing list.

The program is partially funded by the hotel/motels/lodges and 
restaurants, since Crested Butte is not a day trip from anywhere
but Gunnison, and an overnight stay is virtually required.

I received a mailing from them about a week ago with info on
lodging, etc.

>Does anyone know what the traffic situation is at CB during early
>Dec.?      

If you mean vehicular traffic, it is not really a problem; 
other than skiers there are not enough people in Gunnison/
Crested Butte combined to be called traffic.  If you 
mean skier traffic, it is quite heavy while the free 
skiing is in progress (surprise    :-)  ).

I can't find my literature right now, but I remember that
there are direct flights to Gunnison (30 miles away) from
several cities, plus of course, connections through 
Denver.  It is around 200 miles from Denver.

>                       Chris Bratcher
>                       University of Texas at Austin


--
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Vermont/N.E. Open??
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:17:47 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Nov11.211131.1359@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
|> Kim,
|> 
|> I was at Killington this past weekend (I gots me the cool "Nov 07" tag)
|> and they had 4 chairs open with maybe 8 runs open.  They'll tell you
|> that they had like 16, but in reality, it was only 8.  Heavy,
|> obviously, but still awesome to hit the slopes.  They're charging $30.
|> 
|> Okemo will be open for $25, and today they had 4 chairs and 13 runs
|> open.  Tonight, wed nite, will be warm, but thurs and fri they will be
|> blowing.
|> 
|> take your pick, Superstar was CROWDED!  Man, on that run I helped ski
|> patrol take down a guy who got pushed off a big mogul (i'm an EMT).  He
|> broke his leg for sure and probably his back.  Uncool.
|> 
|> Gen

My rule for Killington, early in the season, is that you have to measure
their runs carefully. They've been good on the tape this fall, claiming
N runs, composed of M trails or portions of trails, where M is much greater
than N.

In general, 4 trails, 1 run for 1/2 mile of skiing is the blue portion
of cascade to the mid-station. 6 trails and 2 runs for  1 mile of skiing is
that plus the super-star run, directly under the super-star quad. 10 trails,
for 4 miles probably adds snowshed, chute on snowdon mountain under the
double into bunny-buster. Todays tape, for example, claimed 20 trails,
4 mountains and 7 1/2 miles of skiing. Given what they said that's all of
the above and the upper half of skyburst leading down into bearclaw. In
general, that would be about 4 real runs and the beginner area and all the
bits and peices to connect it all together. 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: faa@fil.CS.CMU.EDU (Fil Alleva)
Subject: Jackson Hole: Places to stay.
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:12:43 GMT

My wife and I are planning a ski trip right after the first of the
year and we want to know what are good places to stay in and around
Jackson Hole. We don't want to spend a fortune but we don't mind paying
for a nice place that has good access to area slopes.

BTW. We've never skied the Rockies. Mostly Oregon (Mt. Hood and
Bachelor) and all over the Eastern US.

From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:17:54 GMT
Subject: Skiamericard Woes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


I've purchased a Skiamericard every year for about 5 years.

A few months ago I got my "renew now for special price" letter and, as I've
done every year, sent in my money.

As I walked out of the  largest  ski sale in  Colorado  (Sniagrab)  I found
Skiamericard  booths lining the street giving away free cards.  The *exact*
same card I'd already paid for.

I called Skiamericard and got some bozo who just said "I don't know what to
tell you".

I will never purchase another Skiamericard.

-- LSC
From: sglickma@hopi.intel.com (Steve Glickman)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Purgatory
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:30:25 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation


 Jim
  Purgatory is a more Blue run mountain. I'm not
 sure what the actual percentage of blue versus
 black is. There are some really nice blacks on
 the back side of the legends. I like the place and
 I've been skiing over 25 years. But then again 
 living in Arizona our ski resort selection is
 kind of slim as you know. I stay in Durango at
 the Red lion but I hear the Strader is nice too.
 If you have any more questions send me some email
 I am only about 2 miles from you. 
 

--
Steve Glickman | " I don't think Don King deserves a holiday in Arizona."|     /\  / \ 
Intel Corp.    |                               Tom & Tom                 |    /\/\/   \/\o
Chandler,Az    |                              In Living Color            |   /    \    \_ 
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From: mwbutler@iastate.edu (Tritor)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing in Summit County
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:50:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx9JC8.HG8
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA


Hello all, well this year I've gotten real lucky. My family has decided to
visit relatives for Christmas.  Those being my relatives in Summit County of
course.  I'll spend two weeks in the Summit County region, mainly Frisco,
Dillon, and Silverthorne and I will do my share of skiing as well.  My only 
problem is that I am 20 and was wondering where I should go for night life.
Of course occasionally I'll go out with my family, but I can't spend all the
time with them.  I know of a few bars I can get into, but where else should I
go?  ( and yes I've been night skiing at Keystone )


I will also be looking for a good pair of used skis.  Right now I'm using a
pair of older LaCroix skis that my uncle found on a bus and no one claimed.
Where should I go for a good deal?  My boots are great and my poles as well, so
skis and bindings will do.  If on sale, I would be willing to buy new skis, or
even last years models.  I currently ski with a 200cm length ski and all but 
very steep terrain with large moguls (too much work).

BTW I'm glad to read that all the Summit County areas are getting snow.

thanks in advance

Mike Butler
mwbutler@iastate.edu
From the great corn fields of Iowa.

Why go anywhere else when you can visit relatives in Summit County?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cspas152@sus.edu.eur.nl (It's the one and only ... Edward van der Jagt)
Subject: HELP!
Summary: Can someone make a phone call for me ?
Keywords: help snow call phone
Organization: EUR
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:03:16 GMT


Hi there.

  I'm thinking of buying a new SNOWboard by mail from the USA. But before 
  I place my order, I still have some questions for the shop in question.

  But since I don't live in the USA but in the Netherlands, it's just very
  expensive for me to make a phone call to that shop. I'm just sure that
  the conversation won't be just a few minutes.

  So, now I'm asking who ever is reading this message, if he or she could
  call that shop and ask some questions for me. Because it's much
  cheaper when calling from inside the USA.

  The shop is located in Fairfield, and it's phone number is: 203-336-9463


  If you are willing to help me, please drop me a note, and I'll tell you
  what I wanted to ask.


		Thanks.


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From: dcoatney@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Doug Coatney)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:54:07 GMT
Subject: ** SOUTH LAKE TAHOE RENTAL HOME **
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

South Lake Tahoe Cabin for Rent by owner:

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  - 4 BR/2 bath cabin/home in South Lake Tahoe
  - Convienent to Heavenly, Kirkwood, Sierra Ski Ranch & Casinos
  - Located in Tahoe Paradise (rural as opposed to in town) 
  - Ammenities include:
           - 7 Person jacuzzi hot tub (outside on the deck of course)
           - 1 King, 2 Queen, 3 twin and sleeper sofa
           - Forced air heater (modern house built in 1973)
           - Wood burning stove for that "rustic" feel (wood included)
           - Fully equiped kitchen with microwave, oven, refrig, coffee
             maker etc..
           - 2 TV's, Cable, VCR, Stereo, CD player
           - Telephone for local calls or calling card calls.

RATES:
  Non Holiday
    - $100 a night or $600 for 7 nights 

  Holiday
    - $125 a night

DEPOSIT:
  $200 refundable security deposit.

Pictures of the property and accommodations are available through the net 
in GIF format -- just ask! I can also fax additional information to you.

For Additional Information and booking, please contact:

  Doug Coatney 
  dcoatney@hpmpea2.cup.hp.com
  408-447-1927 (work)
  408-865-1480 (home)

P.S. Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year are already booked just in case
you're curious.




Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:40:20 GMT

>
The fact that the passage of 2 is reprehensible. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE
TO DISCUSS IT. If you don't want to come to Colorado, DON'T ! I'm getting
tired of all of the PoliticalCorrectness (TM) in rec,skiing. Go find another
stump to scream from. Other states also have disagreeable laws on the books.
GET IT THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!

P.S. The Skiing's Great!


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Delamination forces
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:09:56 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Steve Hultquist (347-3994) (ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com) wrote:
 
> Do "floating" bindings or those with shorter mounting distances lessen the
> likelihood of the delamination by reducing the force?

 Very probably. Salomon and Tyrolia bindings both use a track that is
 mounted to the ski. This is probably the worst configuration since the
 track is what's stiffening the ski. That being said, I still think
 that the *main* answer is to do some technique modification.

 ..glen "still skiing on Salomon bindings but not delaminating skis
         anymore"


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.snowboarding,rec.skiing
Subject: Snowboarding notes and tune-up questions...
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:15:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


        Well, the boarding season is almost here (1 month!) and I have to get
my board in shape.  I know a tune-up is recommended after each season.  I
think I can use a metal file on the edges, and maybe some sandpaper???
What type of file (fine I assume?)  My base is in okay condition.  Should I
'remove' that wax I put on from last season?  How would this be done?  What
exactly does a base-grinder do for ya?  I assume it smooths the base, but
that also thins out the base too?  I have about 4 or 5 gashes in the ptex, but
not very serious.  About 1-2 mm deep.  I also have a ptex stick.  I heard
that you just melt the ptex onto the base and then sand it down.  So 3
questions.  Does base grinding wear down the base thickness appreciably?
How is ptex repair done?  Can I fix up my base without taking it to the shop?
Thanx for all the advice!!!

                                        L8tr,
                                                Derek



ps - There is a newsgroup ***  REC.SPORT.SNOWBOARDING  ***
     It does exist.  I'm crossposting this note.
     Bug your sysadmin to get it!
     If you can't get it, maybe we should start crossposting from there.
     What do you all think???


pss - I was at a ski show this weekend in the DC area and they had a
snowboard trampoline exhibition.  A couple of guys from the local surf shop
were jumping but they wouldn't let me try (insurance crap arrrrrggghhhh)
Looked like a great way to practice airs and grabs.  Anyone try this??????


-- 
'Fire and Love, the two extremes |  wojciech@ossek.nrl.navy.mil /    ***.
that we live between, Fire and   |-----------------------------/    **   '
Love, there's more to life than  | Surfing or Snowboarding         ****
the eye can see.'  Guardian      |      ridin' the Wave........._-*********
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kflorek@mtholyoke.edu (Kim Florek)
Subject: Vermont/N.E. Open??
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:22:46 GMT

Does anyone know who is open in New England THIS weekend (NOV 14-15th)?

I heard rumors that Stowe & Killington were open.  Is this so?

I also heard that Sugarloaf (which I think is in Maine??) is open
this weekend and there is some sort of festival/party going on.  Tickets
are rumored to be $10.00 !!!  

"I'm-a-itchin-for-a-powder-fixin, so I'm-a-bitchin-in-New-Englin!"

Thanks,
Kim
OFFICIAL EX-SKI BUM
Salt Lake City, Utah
From: evensen@husc8.harvard.edu (Erik Evensen)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: shops in the Boston area and question about skis and boots
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:04:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.EVENSEN.92Nov11140404
Distribution: rec
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA

Hi all,

Thanks for the past info on Jeep Cherokees (I bought an '89 Cherokee
Laredo, btw) and cross country skis.

Now I have another question; I purposely didn't limit my
distribution to New England since people anywhere might have some
input on this:

I'm wondering if people have any recommendations for or against ski
shops in the Boston area. I'm not necessarily looking for the cheapest
place to shop since I feel that good service is worth paying for
especially when buying something like skis and boots. The only place
I've dealt with so far is Ski Market (across from BU); they seemed
pretty knowledgeable but were pushing me towards last year's ski for
downhill skis (more on that later) also, they didn't have a good cross
country ski selection.

Specifically, they were trying to sell me the previous years K2 4500,
I'm what I'd call a low intermediate skier who is fairly strong but
light - I mountain bike and/or rollerblade everyday and only weigh
about 135-140 lbs. at 5'10". I'm looking to progress with my downhill
skills this winter and thought getting a set of boots that fit
properly and skis that weren't so noodly as the rentals would be
helpful (in addition to more lessons of course). I think the bindings
were Marker M27 or 28 - it's all in a package.... They said the old
4500s are better than the current 4500s (something about more sidecut)
and so were a much better deal but who knows whether they just want to
get rid of the old skis or what.

The boots they were suggesting were Salomon 83EXPs, Nordica Gran Prix
80s, and Nordica F8s. I have fairly narrow flat feet so fitting is
something of a problem which is why I want recommendations on a store
that does good fitting; I imagine I will probably need custom insoles
to get a really good fit. Any input or suggestions on boots?

I may just buy the boots this year and continue with rental skis -
does anyone have opinions for against doing this?

I'm also looking for a store with a good cross country ski selection
in the Boston area....

Thanks in advance for any info!

--Erik
From: mcdono@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wanted Info on Brianhead Utah
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:11:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: nosc.1992Nov11.161102.9514
Reply-To: mcdono@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division


	Thinking of skiing in Brianhead Utah in Feb Mar
	What's there? Any challenges, any diamonds? Any snow?
	Anything nearby? Any caveats?

Tim McDonough                   |   The opinions voiced are my own and
Computer Sciences Corp.         |   do not reflect those of my employer
mcdono@sunspot.nosc.mil         |   or the Susquehanna Hat Company.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:59:56 GMT

In article <Nov05.172259.80235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <683@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us
(Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>>	SKI VAIL is actually a code word for SKI ALTA

>Most skiers would not enjoy Alta as much as they would Vail.
>(This is not a joke, OK?)  They would find the lack of trail
>grooming, night-life, etc. and the large amount of traversing
>and uphill climbing  detestable.

If you tell people the truth, they won't believe you.
				--Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire

A toast to up-hill skiing.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: slobko@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas Slobko)
Subject: wanted condo in North Tahoe
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:27:53 GMT

   Middle aged couple needs a condo in the North Tahoe/truckee/Donner
   area for the week of Dec 26 to Jan 2.  Excellent credit. references
   available.

   I know, I know,  we're crazy to wait 'til so late.

   Please reply by email.

Cheers,

t.a.slobko
slobko@oxy.edu
From: tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Help please:  How is Aspen in the first weekend of April?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:59:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu

I am thinking about taking a trip to Aspen in the first weekend
of April.  This is the first weekend with the off-season spring
prices.

My question is: how crowded will Aspen be during this weekend?

I know that Aspen is further away from Denver compared with
other resorts, so I thought that maybe it would be tolerable.

Any comments?

Thanks,
Toshi
tt@wag.caltech.edu