HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vcsc327@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student)
Subject: Re: Last call! Catch the train? Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joing Declaraton o
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.100023.61039@cc.usu.edu> haoc@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.083756.19372@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, wing@pegasus.com (Wing Ng) writes:
>>  
>> Sorry, the foreigner U.K. cares about our well-being (to some extent),
>> whereas the gangster group that now controls our motherland does
>> not. 
>    It's ashame of you that you still call China your motherland. I'm afraid
>you live at a wrong time. You would feel much more comfortable if you lived
>in those "golden old days" when you feel privilaged as you walk the dog
>for you foreign master.
>
>> It would rather let HK go down the drain than let it have
>> more democracy.
>   
>    How much democracy do you have now in Hong Kong, do you have a say who be
>the governor?
>    Too bad you don't, otherwise you might have made a better choice than John
>Major did.
>
>>  
>> Of course, more proof is really not needed, that gangster group
>> perpetrated 6.4, right in its own capital.
>>
>   Yeh right, here goes the " Universal Linkage" again, but let's just cut
>the shit, Britain is going hopelessly downwards, but China is the rising
>dragon, (The World Bank predict that China will be the 3rd largest economy in
>the world by the end of this century), so catch the train or not, your choice.
>
>-Hao
>    

    Someone said this on TV back in 1978 :

    "The HK government never does anything illegal, it is their motive
     that counts."

    Growing up under a colony education is OK, but don't let your mind
    be colonized.


    Kimbo.
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sorry, Mr.Jaremaye Rambeau
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:57:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Nov16.185747.21878
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <BxoE1J.4t1@.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>Even Mr. Rambeau was criticizing my article, I do respect him
>for his good wishes to the Chinese people.
>
>Mr. Rambeau is certainly better than those who senselessly ordered
>the killing of students in Tiananmen Square.

I am always amazed by your way of reasoning.
From: lc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Laura Cai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for alen wei
Keywords: e-mail address
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:16:56 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University


     I find your E-mail address so different. I can not send the message out.
What I can do is post here, I think you would read it.
     Thank you for you help. It is interesting that I always look for somebody
and you become first one, because I can not send my letter out last time.
.













:wq

:q!
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: FAKE e-mail address and other inappropriate use of usenet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:31:53 GMT

I sent an article to this group telling you that some people faked my
e-mail address.  I feel shame about these people--why do they have to
use my name to identify themselves?  Well, they may feel that they
are glory to use my name--otherwise, did they feel shameful?

As an FYI, a Chinese student at "cmu.edu" (Carnegie Melon Univ) tried
to jam my network, and their university network director had to shutdown
the entire departmental network from where that Chinese student "created"
the data traffic.  What a terrible thing--the beautiful ideas of distributed
systems have been abused by those Chinese students for non-productive use.
(thru private information channel, we found out who did that already.)

If you are willing to listen, please take my words:

1. Do NOT think that you are the only smart person in the world.
2. Do NOT think that we cannot locate you.
3. Do NOT think that your abusive use of the usenet will change Shannon Yeh's
   mind about your blood cards.

You may ask "why did you abuse the network?".  My answer is: I did not attack
anyone untill others massively attacked me.  I am NOT Wang Cheng who was
willing to say "shoot me now".

shannon
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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: zhou en-lai and his chara
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:11:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Distribution: soc
Organization: Boston University

In article <1ehk5uINN69@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca> kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan) writes:
>(deleted)
> Internet:kzhan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca|| "Three generates everything".       
> Internet:gilwf16@vm.uoguelph.ca         ||                                    
>                                         ||      -- Lao Zi (Old Man)

I don't think your quotation of Dr. ME is accurate. Without definition of
the empty set (Wu) and basic unit, such a quotation is misleading. Dr. Me
only emphasized the importance of the empty set, he was not emphasizing
the imprtance of 3 at all. So what he said was something like "only with 0,
we can get non-zero, thus, from 1 to 2, from 2 to 3, from 3 to ... everything".
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Somebody tell me why this is wrong
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.155635.10794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>	It seems to me that it is extremely hypocritical to be both for
>unconditional MFN and for (and protected by) the Student Protection Act.
>
>	Those in this position appear to be saying, "When my ass is on
>the line, human rights is the issue. The human rights conditions in
>China are so bad that if I go back I'll be harrassed, perhaps put in
>jail, perhaps killed." But human rights are only a secondary 
>consideration for everyone else in China, be they D-fighters, businessmen,
>or farmers. Only a strong economy is important when it's other people's
>lives on the line.
>
>	Well, whaddaya say?
>
>Mark
>
Do some research work on how to get rid of national debt, then help us
chinese.
chunde


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Japanese
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:55:23 GMT

Two Japanese girls said that tofu was invented in Japan; Japanese ancestor came
from Polynesia islands; nevertheless they called the square letter in their
language Chinese letter while much of it has been abondoned. 
All this is ok. In fact it is fortunate for other countries that Japanese are
not Chinese, since if they are as clever as Chinese what the world would be
now?  


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30859 talk.politics.china:2817
From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:37:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.mathstat.uoguelph.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

xiao-lin li (xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: 
: In article <BxrztD.7r@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
: >
: >Each progress reported on People's Daily and/or any other medium is done 
: >by many plain Chinese people like us, who worked 20hr per day, sending their

: you should not put the illness-excuse in your pocket. You are entitled
: to have vacation when you are ill, or even you are not ill.
: 
: Is it right to work 20hrs and leave your kids to your grandma? Is it
: right to work while you are ill? I don't think you are normal. If I
: were your boss, I would let you stay home because I have to concern the
: quality of your work.
: 
: The Gang of Four was wrong, but I don't think you are right either.
But I don't think you are right either.
--
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        
 KAIJUN S. ZHAN                          || (519)824-4120 Ext. 8325/6558        
 Internet:kzhan@sgi1.mathstat.uoguelph.ca||                                     
 Internet:kzhan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca|| "Three generates everything".       
 Internet:gilwf16@vm.uoguelph.ca         ||                                    
                                         ||      -- Lao Zi (Old Man)
                                         || Comment: no comment.          
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:39:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <gaojeng.722259262@durras> gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) writes:
>lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted)
>>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
>
>What kind of boat is this then? :-) :-)

This is a volunteer-boat, no rules such as "Qi Si Mie Zhu, 3 knife 6 holes",
nor disciplines such as "minority obey majority, inferior obey superior, all
party obey the central, and I am in charge of the central". This boat is
registered in California State as a charitable organization. But anyone,
even you guys in Australia, is welcome to join. But any one can quit at any
time if he/she desires.

At present, this boat has obtained some donation form CSS in USA and Canada,
and now is collecting information whom should receive the first batch of
financial aid. The conditions are: rural area, poor family, excellent school
records. If anyone has information about such students, or some schools in
possible target area, please inform us. We hope we can send the first batch
back before the start of next semister, time is short.

Thank you very much for your interest in SOS. Hope to receive your donation
soon. (BTW, we also accept donations from student organizations if no condition
is attached. So far IFCSS donation ranks the first. $150, Mr. Steve Lin's
donation ranks the first among individual donators, $100.)

>
>>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
>>Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
>
>Gao Jie

Thank you very much for your interest in SOS. Hope to hear from you soon.
(BTW, we also accept donations from student organizations if no condition 
is attached. So far IFCSS donation ranks the first. $150, Mr. Steve Lin's
donation ranks the first among individual donators, $100.)
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:29:00 GMT

This is the most out-of-place question I have ever heard in this
newsgroup. Let's just set aside the meaning of "best" to differetn
people, if you want to know more about cars, Rec.autos will help you
a lot more. If you want to buy a car, Rec.autos will give you better
opinions. It also helps if you specify what price range and what type
of cars you are looking for. Otherwise, this is going to turn into a
grade school kids' day-dream contest.

Maybe what suits you is a Yellow-River Truck, but I suggest you get
an Acura Integra if you live aywhere near a highway(and don't have
a family of five to carry around).

Just my two cents.

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
	<BxGLpG.8Hn@cs.psu.edu>
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:17:31

>>>>> In article <BxGLpG.8Hn@cs.psu.edu>
>>>>> "Jin-Yuan" == Jin-Yuan Wu <jyw@phys.psu.edu> writes:

  Jin-Yuan> Just re-post. We are Chinese. We do need to remind ourselves this
  Jin-Yuan> fact from time to time.

NOT! Not for some Chinese who are ashamed of their birth from Chinese
parents. It only hurts these people by reminding them of this fact. ;-(

--

~~{5K6,F=~~} 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
	<BxGLpG.8Hn@cs.psu.edu> <BxH0vK.HCE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:31:10

>>>>> In article <BxH0vK.HCE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
>>>>> "xiao-lin" == xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

  xiao-lin> We poor Chinese don't have anyone else to celebrate. Do you suggest
  xiao-lin> that we congratulate Li Peng or Jiang Zeming? 

It makes me wonder what rich Chinese do, do they have a lot to celebrate? I
bet they do. 

  xiao-lin> They are not elected by you, therefore they won't appreciate your
  xiao-lin> congratulation.

You got rejected by any chance? ;-) 

  xiao-lin> Don't be arrogant or too "patriotic". Bill is the young
  xiao-lin> generation, better than those old fashioned communists or
  xiao-lin> anti-communists (such as George Bush).  The future world has no
  xiao-lin> national boundary. If Chinese cannot celebrate their own
  xiao-lin> election, celebrate others, it is equally fun :-).

I wish people won't inhale whatever Bill smokes, it's not good for your
health though it might land you a job as the VP like Al. ;-). 
--

~~{5K6,F=~~}
From: ZHIYONG@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Bee Surgeon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test please ignore this, or read it if you want
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:30:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxtKKp.Hp4
Organization: Indiana University

this is purely virtually a test really.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: Somebody tell me why this is wrong
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.144306.61211@cc.usu.edu> ma@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <By6M5p.IEF@cs.psu.edu>, echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov23.155635.10794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>>	It seems to me that it is extremely hypocritical to be both for
>>>unconditional MFN and for (and protected by) the Student Protection Act.
>> 
>> 	It is.  I am for UMFN and against the Protection Act (as if I 
>> were not infamous enough...).
>
>I think MFN and the Protection Act are two totally unrelated issues. 

I support both UMFN and Protection Act.  (BTW, I am an US citizen, so
I shouldn't be accused of being biased).  Do you guys supporting the
CMFN (it is a "C") think the Chinese govn't will improve her human
right record because of the trade partner status?   I doubt that.  A
totalitarian govn't will instead sacrifice her own people before
bending to the external influence.  Take a look at Iraq and Vietnam.
What difference does it make even they are economically sanctioned by
the US?  Who suffers?  Of course their own people.  And the current
situation is that people (I mean the US people) are saying these
people are suffering because OUR (I mean the US) sanctions against
their countries.  That is the reason I support UMFN so that the
Chinese people can be exposed more and more to the outside world.  Let
the Chinese take care of the human right problem themselves.  Outside
of China, the least the US can do is to protect the Chinese students
who otherwise might face hardship if they return to China.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@amsc01.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
Subject: Time for CCP to Change - was CMFN
Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:03:26 GMT



CMFN or UCMFN ?  It is NOT the question.

As the Democrats goes to Washington, with the possibility of a real
CMFN in coming, some begin to worry.  Recent SCC discussions
focused on the point of whether or not HR conditions should be 
attached - really a missing of the POINT.

This is not the time to start the debate again.  Believe or not, 
none of the many "sides" will never be able to convence the other.
If you will, please face the reality:

Ironically, believe or not, no matter what IFCSS does - support CMFN, 
against it, or do nothing, a CMFN bill will be in the US Congress
anyway.  Regardless what our dear SCCers argue - especially those against 
CMFN, the bill is going to be passed, and, importantly, President Clinton 
probably will "have to" sign it.

It is time for the Chinese Government to change, not the other way around.
 
Anyone, if he/she really cares about the ordinary Chinese people, 
if he/she really cares about the reform and wants to see more, stop 
accusing your fellow CSS and try to do two new things:

1.  Push the Chinese Government to change, not only "reform" on 
    economy, but also improve on human rights.  Push the CG to release
    political presioners, push it to follow the law and order, etc.
    
    Don't go around blaming those who try to bring both prosperity
    and freedom to ordinary Chinese.  No one wanted China to loss MFN,
    it is only the CG's behavior made the lossing poosible. 
    No one wanted to hurt the people, human beings need much more 
    than fed and alive.

2.  Cooperate with organizations, such as IFCSS, to work with the US
    Congress so that only those realistic and important conditions 
    are attached.  

    Remember, this is a free and democratic Country.  If one refuses to 
    work with others, he/she simply gives up the rights and opportunity.
    At the end, for any unwanted resoults, they only have themselves to blame.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qye@next7 (QIAN YE)
Subject: Re: Clinton's tougher line
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:39:09 GMT

In article <00963DF4.2027EB40@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>  
uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
> Clinton said he will show "tougher line" toward China. In fact, chinese
> goverment can play japan's card or some other cards.  Such "tougher  
line" will
> only hurt chinese people and also american people.
Stupid Bill!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tangz@math.concord.wvnet.edu (ZAIYONG TANG)
Subject: Australia Bars the Door From China
Organization: Mathematics Department, Concord College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:24:08 GMT

Report from The Chronicle of Higher Education: (Nov. 18, 1992)
   "... Australia stiffens entry regulations for prospective students from 
China. ... Australia is stilll considering a plan to deport thousands of 
Chinese students who have been in the country since before June 1989. A 
parliamentary committee has recommended that the government reverse a policy 
under which Chinese students in Australia at the time of Tiananmen Square 
massacre were allowed to remain in the country permently. Up to 12,000 
Chinese face deportation if the panel's recommendations are adopted. "
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:16:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxtH7E.Bp4
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bxq469.FKy@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>>People become arrogant, lazy, even evilsome when they have nothing to worry.
>
>Then, CFMN can make those lazy people work harder?

Yes, I think so. I think the original intention of the CMFN and
those who promote it is not to terminate trade with China. Instead
it is just a positive gesture and human compassion to the Chinese 
people. The statement is the following: if you want to make money 
for your children, fine, treat people in your country nicely. 

>You parents may feel sorry to hear this.
>
>Zi3 Bu4 Xian2 Mu3 Chou3, Nu3 Bu4 Wu4 Fu4 Pin2.

Why should they be hurt? They had arranged the best they
could. I slept in office for several days. Then the door
man said he could let me to sleep in his bed. Week later,
my brother's school began summer vacation, I got a bed 
in the student dormitry. I didn't go back but I did invite
them here because we have larger room in Indiana.
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Picture of Romance of the Three Kingdoms characters
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:48:59 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University

A famous saying is:
Pei2 Le Fu1 Ran2 You4 Zhe2 Bing1.
(lost both FR and troops)

X Xu
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ma FuBo, Garlic, Small Report
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:43:31 GMT
Organization: Boston University

So James has access to "Shen2 Long2 Ben3 Cao3 Jing1", a good news
for our on-net tutoring service. Thanks for checking for me.
Is there an item of garlic in it? Do you know when garlic was
introduced into China?

I disagree that Yi4Yi3 is Lian2 Zi3. Yes Yi4 alone can be the
bitter bud in Lian2Zi3. But Yi4Yi3 can not be Lian2Zi3. Another
netter Nelson Lu said: "is called Job's tears in English, but I am not
totally sure." He may be right, my CiHai gives its Academic name:
"Coix lacryma-jobi". We Sichuanese call it "Yi3 Ren", I believe.

Garlic is for sure good for digestion problems, James. I suggest
you try to eat some (no cook, eat it raw with some other dishes)
when you have slight digestion problem (hope not of course:-)

Garlic, before being broken into pieces, is almost round. Remember:
Ma FuBo would unlikely pour the garlic on the wagon. They were in bags.
So when this wagon entered the capital, many observers might be
impressed by these "pearls" of one inch diameter in those bags.

Anyway, though I still suspect it was garlic, but be it garlic or
"Yi3 Ren", the greatness of Gen. Ma is the same: At the same time
he defended China, he did not forget to introduce good thing into
China. BTW, he also had a book about how to select horses. Nelson Lu
was wrong by saying (about his greatness):

>I disagree; he really didn't do much other than putting down the Vietnamese
>rebellion, but that's not the point here.

Well, if a general can secure China's Northwest (by defeat XianLing
Qiang) and SouthEast, I don't know how much more he should do. He did
not kill much, especially he did not kill many fellow China men. But
he is still one of the greatest generals in China's history.
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.