From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:15:20 GMT

In article <2A93B64F.29230@orion.oac.uci.edu> cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
>Subject: Re: European Social democracy vs. American Capitalism
>References: <1992Aug20.125028.3687@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
>Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
>
>Alex Bunker writes
>> Gary Strand writes:
>> >  In any case, all the countries which have your style of socialism have
>> >  other parties of lesser or greater socialistic orientation, those parties 
>> >  with a decidedly less leftist bent being ascendant for several years now,
>> >  at least. 
>> 
>> NOT!
>> The last european parliamentary elections say the Eurosocialists take
>> power away from the Christian Demos. CDU in germany is in BIG trouble
>> and the SDP is gaining popularity etc..
>
>NOT ! NOT !
>
>The Eurosocialists did _not_ take away power from the Christian Democrats. The  
>Eurosocialists have had control of the EP since it was founded. This just  
>didn't change the last time around. 
>

NOT! NOT! NOT!
they used to rule in coalition with the christian democrats but after the
last european parliamentary election they gained enough seats so they could
make a new alliance with the greens (officially known as "rainbow block")
in the european parliament and shut out che C. dems.

>As for the CDU, every single mid-term it has been low in the polls and yet it  
>did win every single national election in Germany for more than a decade. And  
>the opposition party which is by the way the SPD (you would not happen to be a  
>synonym for Thurgood Marshall here posting on the net ?). This party is so  
>_terminally_ embarrased about it close friendship with the butchers of the  
>StaSi-state that I'm surprised that it is still around e.g. just a few years  
>before the wall fell they actually managed to get the west german center for  
>the tracking of human rights violations in east germany closed because it  
>offended their friends who are now on trial for mass murder (that was _their_  
>argument).
>
Maybe but the CDU has NEVER lost the REINLAND PALATINATE
provincial election before (Kohls home state and all)
they have been caught lying (oh no reunification will not
cause a tax rise NOT!)
and now they will pay. Besides Byorn Engholm is a FAR more
likeable fellow than that overweight blathering unilingual boor.

>> See above Kinnock made one of the biggest seat gains for a
>> political party i a single election in British history.
>> The cons. just had too strong an encumbancy factor. They
>> wont have that next time and they will lose. What you say
>> about Norway is about 2 years out of date. Mitterand is
>> just the victim of a cranky electrorate the right is no
>> more popular. 
>
>So that it why he was booted out of his party post ? Because he was such a  
>great victor ? I'm afraid your understanding of politics is a little bit  
>confused.

Labor has been in opposition too long His time had come. The odds were
WAY against him, he nearly pulled it off but not quite. Smith is a better
brighter more likeable guy anyway.

>As for Mitterand he is one of the last ruling self-confessed communists in  
>Europe. But if East Berlin and Moscow can fall, so can Paris.
>
>	Carl Edman

Has Mitterand currently stated his position as being a communist?
please reference me the quote. Anyway he will not run for presdent
again so he is irrelevent in the next election. I really doubt
the french will really elect that snotty twit Chirac.
When push comes to shove Delors(the probable socialist candidate)
 will wipe the floor with him
and become the next french president.

Alex
(the social-democratic secular humanist)
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