From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: A fine opporitunity for flaming liberal flameage
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:50:00 GMT

celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
>hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
>
>->I'm sure you would call my local newspaper, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch
>->liberally biased, yet they run colums by George Will, Cal Thomas, and James
>->Kilpatrick all the time.
>
>  Super. A open a free newspaper. Now can you give me an estimate of its
> percentage bias. Or does that even matter to you ? 

Well, in the 1988 Presidential election, they endorsed Michael Dukakis.
I think that says it all, at least for editorial policy.

Percentages of real news?  Well, I don't know, but I consider them a liberal
paper and treat the news as such.  Just like the Dallas Morning News is
a conservative paper.

>->  About the fallacy of statism and liberalism, why do conservatives, who
>->decry statism, endorse the banning of flag-burning, want students to be
>->*required* to say the Pledge of Allegiance, and approve of a Supreme
>->Court that seems to be increasingly statist, although it is a
>->*conservative* statism.  The answer is that statism is good when I
>->agree with the State.  Court ordered prayer in schools would be good,
>->but court ordered desegregation is bad.  Got it.
>
> I dont have the time for all these points. Can we not handle one at a
>time.

  I just wanted to show cases where I felt that modern conservatives
were statist.  Can you honestly say that the Supreme Court allowing the
kidnapping of a Mexican citizen in defiance of an extradition treaty
is not statist and Big Government at its worst?

>      Prayer in schools. Conservatives stand for choice in schools. We
>want schools privatised so students and parents can choose the school
>which best represents the values and ideals they deem important to
>themselves and the world. We want Big Government Totally out of the 
>picture.

  George Bush has repeatedly supported prayer in schools.  And he's not even
a real conservative :>)  School choice just masks the real issue.  If you
were to start a religious school based on the principles of Jerry Falwell,
and people could get vouchers from the state to pay for it, in effect the
state has supported religion, and the preferred religion is the one that
gets the most vouchers.  Another school could be founded, too.  One that 
teaches Satanism and shows pornography in addition to the regular curriculum.
And *your* tax dollars would have to support *that* school.

  I'm all for private schools.  Maybe your church supports them so
disadvantaged kids can go, too.  But don't expect me to help pay for them.

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hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)

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