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From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:07:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.195317.11893@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.185153.7762@cco.caltech.edu>, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>> In article <bsackste.61.711981150@AFIT.AF.MIL>, bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder) writes:
>>>The New Kid grins. "Do you have a song titled Hail to Hamilton or something? 
>>>You should! Gosh, just think of it: x number of Hamiltonians massed on the 
>>>town square, roaring out Hail Hamilton in mighty four part harmony! (x=the 
>>>number of people currently residing within the city limits plus as many more 
>>>who really don't have anything else to do and might as well come along). We 
>>>don't have anything like that in my town. What could we sing anyway? Um... 
>>>Down With Dayton? Dayton Destroys? Even if we are the "birthplace of 
>>>aviation" we don't really have any decent town songs (sigh). I think I'll 
>>>have to change that. Anyone any good at designing songs? I could use some 
>>>help here."
>> 
>> How 'bout the theme from _Howard_the_Duck_?  Didn't he end up in Dayton in the
>> movie?

>I don't know about that one though I do wonder sometimes about the impressions
>you get of Ohio from movies.  Let's see...we have transsexual aliens (The Rocky
>Horror Picture Show is set in Denton, OH - look closely and the newspaper
>Janet's holding over her head is a Cleveland Plain Dealer)...and there's always
>the impressions you get from _Heathers_ ("Mineral water? They were fags!")...
>Unfortunately it tends to be somewhat more normal in RL...
> 
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Zounds! All these things I never knew, and me a born Ohioan. Don't worry,  
we'll convert you to our own brand of craziness yet! (maniacal laughter) 
Ohio! The heart of it all becomes the All of it all! We will rule the world!
(tee-hee)
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Bernadette M. Sacksteder       Here comes your father!
Bsackste@afit.af.mil                -William Shakespeare
                                            Henry V
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You mean somebody actually CARES about my opinions?
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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 14:41:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Jury Duty Re: Lawyers (was Re: Seat Belts)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David) writes:
> 
>      Taking the principle of personal responsibility for consequences to its
> logical extreme with regard to driving, we should immediately declare
> unconstitutional all speed limits, traffic signals, stop signs and pavement
> markings....
> 
>    (Before anyone dismisses this as entirely impossible, may I point out that
> the future history posited as background for the "Car Wars" game begins with a
> ruling by the Supreme Court that declares unconstitutional all efforts at Law
> Enforcement on the nation's highways....)

Let me get this straight.  You are suggesting that we should
consider this a credible scenario because it is represented in
a GAME?  Jeez, I thought people in callahans were too caught up in
gaming, but I never suspected that they REALLY confused it with 
reality.  Perhaps I should prepare myself for an invasion
of Pernicious dragon riders.

doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:
> 
> Pornography (photography), on the other hand, isn't trying to
> tell you anything about the subject, other than "this is an
> object of desire."  (Unless you count, "my name is Buffy, and
> I like chocolate, champaign, and moonlit beaches." ;->).

This is a broad generalization and, specifically, is narrow
minded about erotic art.  The dividing line between art and
pornography is not so easy to draw as you might suspect even
if the model's name IS Buffy.

> 
> I don't think you fully understand my attitude.  The reason I
> lose respect for the model is because posing for such a magazine
> is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Not in all cases.  The person may, in fact, enjoy it.  They
are frequently well paid.  Your attempt to impose your morals
upon them by judgement is narrow.

>  If you want to be treated
> as a whole person, then don't present yourself as an object.

Piffle.  Read some Foucault.  You may be more of an object
than you even realize.

I take it as an article of faith that you have NO IDEA whatsoever
whether these women feel treated as a whole person or an object.

> Except that the model is shooting the collective gender in the
> foot, not just himself/herself.

Yes, right.  So she needs to enslave herself to your morals to
free herself from objectivization.

Actually, I agree that there is certainly exploitative pornography
that has the consequences you suggest, but Playboy may not
be in that category.  But even if it is, the discourse that suggests
that this person deserves your contempt for not being an
adequate defender of the sexual agenda you happen to espouse is
rather high-handed and self-righteous.


doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius)
Subject: Re: Responsibilities of Artists (was Re: Pornography and Playboy)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:31:17 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Jul27.030034.20562@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.004705.17211@midway.uchicago.edu> kwhyte@dent.uchicago.edu (Kevin Whyte) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul26.232450.14901@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>>	"Then it's quite possible that we do disagree.  There are lots
>>>of things I'd consider it wrong to attempt to convince someone else
>>>of.  Things one knows to be falsehoods, for example.  If I were to
>>>attempt to convince you that, say, Jews are a subhuman race conspiring
>>>to enslave everyone else, and back this up with made-up facts and
>>>distortions, knowing that they're made up facts and distortions, then
>>>I think I would be doing something wrong.  If you disagree, then we've
>>>found the point at which we diverge, and there's probably not much
>>>else to say.  It might be interesting to determine why we each believe
>>>as we do, but we're unlikely to convince one another."
>
>>  I didn't really mean to include delibrate lying, I was mostly 
>>responding to your statement about writing KKK propaganda being 
>>evil.  Much as with anything else, it is possible to cause harm
>>by trying to convince people of something, if harm is your intent.
>
>	"But my point is that portraying something one disbelieves as
>true _is_ lying.  What's the difference between making up facts and
>making up other truths?  Is it any less a lie to write a story which
>states that unprovoked cruelty is honorable (assuming the writer
>doesn't believe this to be true) than to write a work which states, as
>fact, that Beethoven was actually a Buddhist monk?"

You are overstating -- and losing -- your case by your use of the word
'lying'.  By your standard, an SF story that included the use of FTL is
also 'lying'.  Does the word 'fiction' mean anything to you?
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Babbage's Birthday Bargain Bash -- December 26th, 1992
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.032530.8890@uoft02.utoledo.edu> ssnodgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Steve Snodgrass) writes:
>> The New Kid peers uncertainly in the sudden light after her dark corner. 
>> She clears her throat.
>> "Ahem. Yeah, I'm another unlurker(sp?). There seem to be a lot of us lately. 
>> In Real Life I'm Bernadette Sacksteder, a summer worker at the local Air 
>> Force Base near Dayton, Ohio. I work at a computer help desk, or pretend to 
>> anyway.:-)"
>> She walks up to the bar, pulling a crumpled bill out of her pocket.
>> "Uh, Mike, could I have a Lemon Sling?"

>Tigger, having come out of nowhere from somewhere [hmm.. I like the paradox
>there], grins.

>"Aha, another southwestern Ohioan!  We'll take over yet."

>"Welcome to the Place, Bernadette.  I hail from Hamilton, OH, land of the
>stupid exclamation point.  Currently, I am loafing here, waiting for school to
>start again in fall... back to the university we go."

>"Have a hug, even, if you're the hugging type!  Though considering what
>happened last time I offered a new person a hug, perhaps I shouldn't do that,
>but what the heck!"

>Steve is for some odd reason in a good mood this evening, although he does not
>know why.

>"Bye folks!"

The New Kid grins. "Do you have a song titled Hail to Hamilton or something? 
You should! Gosh, just think of it: x number of Hamiltonians massed on the 
town square, roaring out Hail Hamilton in mighty four part harmony! (x=the 
number of people currently residing within the city limits plus as many more 
who really don't have anything else to do and might as well come along). We 
don't have anything like that in my town. What could we sing anyway? Um... 
Down With Dayton? Dayton Destroys? Even if we are the "birthplace of 
aviation" we don't really have any decent town songs (sigh). I think I'll 
have to change that. Anyone any good at designing songs? I could use some 
help here."

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Bernadette M. Sacksteder       Here comes your father!
Bsackste@afit.af.mil                -William Shakespeare
                                            Henry V
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: John comes in with what he beleives to be an important message.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:19:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

grant says ) with his comments to john deleted...

>	So, let's stop the rampant flaming over religion and morals,
>and get back to having walks on the grass in X-Windows with friends.
>To show my sincerity, the drinks are on me!

>< S P L A S H ! ! ! >

>	(By now, I should know not to say things like that. :)

kitten slips out of the hug fest to give grant a towel..."sounds like a
good idea...can we move the hug fest to the meadow...?"

--
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Frottage with the lovely Jeanne de Montfort
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:51:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

This poem is really neat. I should say that I hate most poetry - the sorry
result of being a slush reader for the Yale Series of Younger Poets contest 
for two years - but poetry with repetition and interesting rhythmic
twists catches my attention. Thanks for sharing it. 

Firecat
--
                  A more intimate theology, and one more consonant with 
Stef              the nature of...love, pictures a demonic force engaged  
stef@apple.com    in continuous creation and participation. - Iris Murdoch
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Snow FantasyAnd now, back to the show:
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:06:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


>>
>>	The Wasp reponds first to StM's comments:
>>
>>	"Well, if your aversion to clothing is that high, okay. But
>>to be comfortable in literally freezing weather sounds inhuman to me.
>>Is your normal body temperature 55 or something???"

>StM responds, "Actually, in my opinion, someone with a bit of dyslexia
>originally wrote down the number for normal body temperature.  That would
>explain why my temperature is normally somewhere around 96.8 degrees
>Fahrenheit.  I'm serious.  If, when I wake up, my temperature is above 96.0, it
>means I've got a fever.  If it ever goes above 98.0, I'm sick.  Call me
>cold-blooded if you will.  Actually, I think my unusual tolerance for cold
>temperatures might be somehow related to my diabetes."

"i don't know..." says kitten  "my natural body temp is below
97.5....and i have NO tolerence for cold...and no diabetes--and they
haven't addmitted to the hypoglycemia yet...but i am reading up on the
subject...

i think you are just weird :)....(so are sundog, toothpick and
archteryx....so you are in good company....)"


--
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: To Kitten. was Re: Yet another sleepless night
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:57:28 GMT

sundog...


>     Remember that you have a lot of friends here at the Place.  Don't
>be afraid to call on us(me included, even though we haven't known each-
>other long) when you need help/trust/someone to scream at, etc.
>     Above all else, remember this: Believe in yourself, and believe in
>you friends.  You can do anything if you believe this.
>     Take care of yourself, Barbara Ann.
> 

kitten....

(with a hug)  "i never forget that i have friends and love....and the
world's largest support group...here in the Place....and i am
eternally grateful...."
--
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Subject: Snark going temporarily off the net
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:52:14 GMT

Snark wanders wearily into the Place...

"Hey, gang.  Just thought I'd post notice that I'm going to be off-net
for a while, and also I thought I'd explain why I haven't been around
much.

"In brief, I've had mononucleosis for over two weeks now.  I finally
went to the hospital after I was still sick after one week, and the
blood test showed I had mono.  I've taken to sleeping about 12 to 15
hours a day, and this is the first day in a week that I've been able
to get up the energy to walk a mile to the terminals at work.

"I'm taking my mom up on her offer to go home to Boston to recuperate;
I've got a flight leaving Friday night (via Cleveland).  If anyone's
interested, I will be reachable at

11 Whitcomb St.
Belmont, MA 02178
617-489-3168

Until Friday, I'll be at 313-769-4826 in Ann Arbor, as usual."

Snark pauses a moment while he drinks his umpteenth glass of fruit
juice.  "Not surprisingly, I've been feeling very down all this month.
I was feeling none too happy even before I got sick, and now, I'm not
going to be able to finish the research I wanted to get done this
summer.  I spend most of my waking time in a dazed, lonely, bored
state, subject to crankiness and mood swings.  (Special Fun Fact about
mono... it tends to cause anxiety, guilt, and depression for direct,
physiological reasons.  It's very scary to not be able to trust one's
own moods and emotions.  Sympathies to Kateri and all others putting
up with my unpredictability.)"

"Going to Boston should be good; I think it will be good to get a
change of scenery, and, of course, the quality of food will improve
with my mom and grandmother cooking. :) I'll also have more people to
talk to there than I do here.  In fact, the only real negative is that
going to Boston puts me even *further* from Chicago, where Kateri is.
(I considered going to Chicago as a place to recuperate, but frankly,
I just don't think it would be very restful.)  Additionally, it'll be
even harder for me to get on the net, although I suspect that once I
start recovering, I can probably telnet from a friend's account.

"In any case, looks like I'll be gone for a while.  See you later,
gang."

-----
  "Usenet is the world's biggest gathering around a water cooler."
          -- Chip Salzenberg <chip@tct.com>

Paul Andrew Estin, net.Snark, r.a.c Welcome Poster, HoloMuck Chancellor,
  Fellow of the Clementine Society, UCSFC First Consul/ Keeper of the Slinky
HEART: esti@midway.uchicago.edu 1211 E 54th St #2 Chicago IL 60615 312-684-5501
HOME/ estin@csmil.umich.edu  214 Beakes St. Ann Arbor, MI 48104 313-769-4826
WORK: estin@um.cc.umich.edu  330 Packard Rd. 48104 313-763-5710

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:33:40 GMT

In article <#cdmja=.aahz@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>I hesitate to start an insult match, but......you sound like a lawyer.

	"Sir!  I deeply, deeply resemble that remark!  I'm sorry--
till now, I've been civil and calm, but you leave me no alternative."
Michael lays his hand on the hilt of his walking stick.  For the first
time, you wonder whether it's _just_ a walking stick.  Michael draws
the pommel from the stick-- and pulls, from inside the hollow stick, a
dollar bill.  "No alternative at all, but to buy you a drink.  Mike,
give Aahzmandius whatever he'd like.

	"Actually, making people see the better motivations and good
points of a side they don't happen to agree with constitutes, perhaps,
what might be considered the "good" side of lawyering, at least in
part.  If I thought that was all there was to it, I might look forward
to the profession with a bit less trepidation-- few people or
organizations are as black as they're painted by their enemies, after
all.

	"But, of course, that's not all there is to it.  Again, I
don't intend to go for litigation, so I'm not overly worried--
contract negotiation, which seems more my speed, seems to be a bit
safer, ethically, since both sides are still (presumably) friendly and
attempting to come up with something mutually beneficial, rather than
preparing for our society's equivalent of private war.  But
litigation, as well as simply showing the best slant on a given side,
is often presumed, perhaps justly, guilty of "making the worse
argument appear the better, and the evil to appear the good".  And we
might recall that the Athenians executed an annoying sophist they
considered guilty of doing just that.  I wonder what hemlock tasts
like?  :-)  And no, Mike, that was _not_ a drink order!"

Michael

P.S. I read your other post as well, Aahzmandius-- I'm still studying,
for another year at least, and when I actually become a lawyer depends
a bit on everyone's favorite stress-inducer, the job market-- which,
doubtless to the good of society but the detriment of myself and my
classmates, has been _lousy_ for law students since, well, since the
year I started law school.  I sometimes wonder if someone's trying to
tell me something... :-)  Ah, well, c'est la guerre.
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Workers of the world, forgive me.
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 You had more to lose than I thought."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Karl Marx (1990) as imagined by
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Jim Koncz (konc@midway.uchicago.edu)
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Anti-Freeze/Much too Cold!Sundog, who has been busy wrestling with concepts of creation
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:18:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


	The Sea Wasp stares aghast at these madmen.

	"I used to have a reputation for surviving the cold very well.
However, I remain skeptical of someone walking, UNAFFECTED, for a mile
through -40 degrees. Wind chill may be different than straight temperature,
I suppose (and if you walk WITH the wind, you diminish the wind chill...)

	"And I think it's lunacy anyway. I'm cheering on global warming.
If another snowflake is never seen in my vicinity, that will be fine with
me. 

	"It's EASY to cool off, but once you get chilled it takes HOURS
to warm back up."

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Callahan's in HoloMuck
Keywords: Wheeee!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:40:43 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


       Are there still weekly get togethers in Callahans on
       HoloMuck?  And what are the directions to Callahans
       in Holo.

       I've been there a few times and am thinking of dropping
       by tonight.

       Thanks.

       Nathan.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Stereotypes
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:55:04 GMT

"One thing I always hate about stereotypes, especially unfavourable racial
ones, are those who actually conform to it.  For instance, the guy who climbed
up on our balcony and started banging on our window was a Native, and most
probably drunk.  The guys who hang around downtown near the bus stops late at
night and importune you for change are Natives.  The most disreputable parts of
town--downtown, near the bus depot, near the Coliseum--are all frequented by
Natives.  (This is Edmonton, in case you forget.)

"I hate it!  Why should there be truth to the stereotypes?  I know, I learned
all about self-fulfilling prophecies in Social Studies.  If they believe it,
they'll act according to the stereotype.  There's probably a lot of economic
pressure--people won't hire them because they're disreputable, so they don't
get steady income, so they get more disreputable...it really burns me up.

"I imagine that the situation with black gangs and such in L.A. and other
cities is pretty much the same.  In Edmonton, blacks are fairly uncommon, and
are, as far as I know, almost free from stereotyping as a result.  (The
Indians[from India--East Indians, they're often called here], Arabs, Chinese,
etc. have their own stereotypes, though.)  But what I've heard in L.A., and
what I read in the excellent magazine Love And Rockets(plug plug!  It looks
like a comic, in some ways, but it reads like stories), and elsewhere, say that
the black in L.A. is stuck in the same kind of self-fulfilling prophecy
stereotype crap.  Hence the Rodney King stuff."

Alfvaen grabs the glass Mike has ready for him, downing it without hardly
tasting it.  "To the day when racial stereotypes will be forgotten!"  He
slams his glass into the fireplace with great force.

<<<CRASH!!!>>>

--
---Alfvaen(a.k.a. Aaron V. Humphrey, Page of Newts)
Canadian Network For Space Research, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
"Don't you point that raygun at me--I might just explode..."  Thomas Dolby
Current Album--The Jesus & Mary Chain:Honey's Dead
Current Read--M.J. Engh:Wheel of The Winds