HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Is there any reason *not* to install OW fonts in "X11fonts"?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:44:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any
reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (2321*)

> The pertinent question, I think, is whether the user should be made
> responsible for determining what type of X server is running, or whether
such low-level details should be handled by the application.

My point is that font issues are probably best handled by whatever
administrative support handles default X startup scripts and such.  I
agree that the preference and environment variables are not a good
solution for many people, for myself and some others it probably is a
sufficient solution though.

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 22-Jul-92 Re: Is there any
reason *no.. Bob_Dew@alw.nih.gov (2321*)

> A better Andrew would be one in which xim.c handles multiple font paths,
> or one where OW and MIT fonts are intermixed.  The latter is easier to
> carry out, and I believe quite acceptable as an X-server design
> implementation.

In the particular case of Open Windows  and MIT fonts putting everything
in the same directory indeed sounds like the way to go.  But I believe
in general the right approach is to get ATK out of the business of font
path management.  In an environment with multiple conflicting and
incompatible font types the only really complete solution would be to
have a configuration file which mapped vendor, release, and resolution
information to a font directory.  (Then there are the clever NCD  X
terminals which have DECWINDOWS at the front of the vendor string for
compatibility, so regexp matching would probably be needed.)  This seems
like overkill...  

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Superfluous -pic compilations?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:57:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


"nevermind".  I guess I should have read the script before I opened my
big mouth.

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From: rpatil@nmsu.edu (Raj Patil)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Object labelling and classification
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:46:24 GMT
Distribution: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Organization: Computing Research Lab


Hi:

I have an image with 10 2-D objects of irregular shapes. I would like
to calculate shape features for each of these object and then would
like to build a classifier using these features (using many such images).
I am using khoros to do this, but i am not able to use object labeling, 
and feature extraction routines properly. I would like to color each 
object with different color automatically and then calculate shape 
features for each object as a vector and put it in a file or directly,
feed it to kmeans, isodata, or a neural net.

I tried using vlabel but does not give satisfactory result. 

Any help appreciated.

regards


raj
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: irani@centi.cs.umn.edu (Erach A. Irani)
Subject: Installing a contributed software routine in a toolbox
Summary: trying to install, ghostwriter, ghostreader
Keywords: how to, difficulties, necessary information
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:56:44 GMT

How do you install a contributed software routine in a toolbox.
I tried Volume II of the Manual but it doesn't give easily accessible
step-by-step information.

I'm trying to install vcapture but the difficulties are
in knowing when to use ghostwriter, ghostreader, kinstall, imkmf, and 
makemake

What is the flow of actions ?

Kraftsman (to construct the toolbox ) --> manual copying of l*.h files
into toolbox../src/Lib -> imkmf  -> makemake -> kinstall

(at this stage kinstall says to run Imake and makemake) 

-> *chaos*

Anyone tried to go further with SUN videopix hardware.
We're trying for as fast as possible background subtraction, and fourier
transforms.

	Thanks,
	Erach (irani@sapphire.space) 612-624-1339

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Post: Erach A.Irani; 1630 S. 6th Street, #D409; Minneapolis, MN 55454
From: steve@chama.eece.unm.edu (Steven Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:48:11 GMT

On Jul 29, 13:06, Coral Bernier wrote:
} Subject: 
>> I am in the process of loading KHOROS onto an SGI. I am using
>> anonymous ftp to get the binaries but in /pub/khoros/bin/binsgi there
>> is no binsgi.tar.Z file only binsgi.00 through binsgi.86. From
>> examining the binsgi.listing it appears that I need the binsgi.tar.Z
>> file as it contains more than the numbered bin files. I have also
>> tried to uncompress the binsgi.** but haven't gotten very far.
>> 
>> I would appreciate some assistance.
}-- End of excerpt from Coral Bernier
	Unfortunately, (due to lack of disk space) the binsgi.tar.Z file
	cannot be created.  However, the binsgi.?? (00-86) are the
	binsgi.tar.Z files split up into 512k chunks for the benefit
	of less powerful ftp programs/connections.. :)  At anyrate,
	just get all binsgi.?? files, and use the cat command to recreate
	the binsgi.tar.Z file with the following command:

	% cat binsgi.[0-9][0-9] > binsgi.tar.Z

	If you don't have the disk space for this, you can combine the
	zcat step in the install.ftp document as follows:

	% cat binsgi.[0-9][0-9] | zcat | tar tvf - > my_system.listing
	% cat binsgi.[0-9][0-9] | zcat | tar xvfp -

	Hope this helps.

				Steve

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From: eik@acadia.kodak.com (Scott Eikenberry)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Is using a cache instead of temp files still allowed?
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: eik@acadia.kodak.com (Scott Eikenberry)
Organization: Eastman Kodak


I was wondering if anyone knew if the latest version of Khoros allowed the user
to use the cache instead of temp files?

I had an older DEC version and it had some binaries for setting up a cache.
They were named things like cachefile, cacheflus, cachehold, etc.  I tried
briefly to use them in cantata and never got them to work.  It seemed to
ignore my resource setting KHOROS_CACHE=yes and setting the flag in cantata.

Anyways that might be besides the point.  I recently pulled over the sun4
binaries and those binary files for the cache were nowhere to be found.
I also saw a comment in the khoros_env that said khoros cache has been 
deleted as of patch 3.

Does anyone know if this is true and why?  The ability to use a cache is
very important to me and the other users here.

I would appreciate and help or information that anyone could give me.

Thanks in advance,

Scott Eikenberry
Eastman Kodak Company
email: eik@acadia.kodak.com
-or-   eikenberry@disney.dnet.kodak.com
From: davidc@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (David Chatterton)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Some problems
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:49:30 GMT


Hi,

I'm having some problems with several things: I have patch 5 on SGI's running
IRIX Version 4.0.4 (I installed this myself, I didn't use your binaries):

editimage:

	crashes during the journal playback using 
$KHOROS_HOME/repos/journals/editimage.jp and in normal usage. For example,
just doing a Zoom On Image, will crash shortly after the zoom_subform 
appears. The error messages are always of this form:

X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
  Major opcode of failed request:  72 (X_PutImage)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  0
  Resource id in failed request:  0x400004e
  Serial number of failed request:  3571
  Current serial number in output stream:  3604
Major X error encountered for display 'pi07:0.0'! Unable to recover.

Has a solution to the Colour Map problem been reached yet?


warpimage:

	Crashes as with editimage when an image is read in.


journal playbacks:

All journal playbacks re-adjust your sub-window to the font size incorrectly.
When-ever a window is opened, the text is fine, and then the box within the
window is adjusted, squashing the text and buttons. This only seems to 
happen with the journal playbacks, and can be fixed by specifying -jg 0
and re-adjusting the window to a different size manually when they appear.

Your latest FAQ say that Khoros can work on 24-bit displays, but I assume due 
to X limitations, it is not possible to display 24-bit images without using
SGI routines?


Thank You in Advance.

David


David Chatterton     | "A new character has come on the scene (I am sure I did
Comp Sci Department, | not invent him, I did not even want him, though I like
Monash Uni, Clayton, | him, but there he came, walking out of the woods of
Australia, 3168.     | Ithilien): Faramir, the brother of Boromir."
Phone: 03 565 5191   | - in a letter from JRR Tolkien to his son, 4 May 1944.
email: davidc@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: irani@cs.umn.edu (Erach A. Irani)
Subject: Real-time display on a SPARC-IPC / videopix / FFT's
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:56:04 GMT

Anyone tried to do // have any knowledge of real-time display (with
background subtraction) on a SPARC-IPC.  Sun's videopix library will most
probably be used.

Do we display on the root-window directly to gain speed.

	Thanks,
	Erach (irani@sapphire.space.umn.edu)

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Post: Erach A.Irani; 1630 S. 6th Street, #D409; Minneapolis, MN 55454
From: storhaug@ndre.no (Geir Atle Storhaug)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Problems with the gis workspace.
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:15 GMT

I have som problems with the gis workspace (downloaded from pprg
/pub/khoros/misc/workspaces/gis.tar.Z). The checksum computed by
sum -r gis.tar.Z is 45248  7801, which is correct.
The problem is that "dem2viff -i .dem/mesadelyeso.dem ..........." aborts
with a segment violation. Has anoyone experienced the same problem and found
a solution?

I am running Khoros 1 patch 5 under HP-UX 8.07 on a HP 9000/730.
Khoros is compiled with shared libraries.

Thanx
 ____     ___   Geir Atle Storhaug
/ ____/\ (__    storhaug@ndre.no
\___//  \___)   Phone: +47 6 807658 (office)     +47 6 838987 (home)
From: stricker@tartarus.uchicago.edu (Mark Stricker)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: image sharpening
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:44:36 GMT
Distribution: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science

Hello,

does anybody have code for image sharpening? 

Our color camera does not give very crisp edges between colors. As a
step of preprocessing I would like to make the regions of the same
color "flater" and the egdes between colors sharper: Anisotropic
difussion, or another method.

If you have code that does this or you know where it is availiable, I
woul appreciate a note.

-- Mark

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Robotics/Computer Vision Laboratory   University of Chicago
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From: rasure@natasha.eece.unm.edu (/usr/spool/mail/rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: mail vs. news
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:29:39 GMT


In "mail vs. news", Marvin Vaun Frandsen writes:
+ 
+ Please let me know how to use the edited newsnotes version of the
+ user group discussions.  My mailbox is too active.  Thanks!

There are three options:
	*  have your name put on the khoros mailing list (this is how you
	   are getting all of these messages)
	*  have your name put on the DIGESTIFIED mailing list so that you
	   get a single mail message a day that is a combination of
	   all of the mail
	*  don't put your name on the mailing list but just read the news
	   group comp.soft-sys.khoros.

	   We prefer the last option since maintaining the mailing list is
	   a hassle, but not everyone has news.

	   I think you probably want the second option.  To request this, mail
	   to khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu.


+   frandsen@beno.css.gov
End of message from Marvin Vaun Frandsen
From: mccoy@ee.uta.edu (David McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: oops-mailing list
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:12:28 GMT

I sent a mailing list on/off request to this address - SORRY! Please disregard
I sent another one to the correct address, khoros-request.
From: M.Eryurtlu@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: signoff
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:57:34 GMT

Please remove my name from the mail list.
Thanks.
M.O.F.Eryurtlu
From: rpatil@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Image Analysis in KHOROS..question
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:49:17 GMT


Hi:

I am trying to learn Image Analysis part of Cantata, especially calssification
and feature extraction. The kind of clustering and classification I have
studied before is on n-dim data vectors. Man pages of this section talk
about  clustering, classification of images, i am bit confused, especially
when i do not have any examples to try this stuff on. Is anyone willing to help
me on this. Has anyone developed any simple example of classification, 
clustering, feature extraction using, vkmeans, ISO, etc...vlabel...etc.


Thanks in advance



RP
From: donohoe@jemez.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Image Analysis in Khoros
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:12:01 GMT


In 'Image Analysis in KHOROS..question' rpatil@nmsu.edu writes:

{ I am trying to learn Image Analysis part of Cantata, especially calssification
{ and feature extraction. The kind of clustering and classification I have
{ studied before is on n-dim data vectors. Man pages of this section talk
{ about  clustering, classification of images, i am bit confused, especially
{ when i do not have any examples to try this stuff on. Is anyone willing to help
{ me on this. Has anyone developed any simple example of classification, 
{ clustering, feature extraction using, vkmeans, ISO, etc...vlabel...etc.
{ 

Raj,

You're right,  the terminology is confusing.  I am working up some
examples of these even as we speak,  to use in my "Image Processing
with Khoros" short course.

BTW,  you have a good image processing guy at New Mexico State, Dr.
Jay Jordan in Electrical Engineering.  Maybe you should look him up.

-- Greg Donohoe

============================================================
Gregory W. Donohoe, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131       donohoe@chama.eece.unm.edu

"It's like a finger pointing the way to the moon.  Don't concentrate on
the finger,  or you will miss all that Heavenly glory."  

             -- Bruce Lee,  in "Enter the Dragon"
============================================================
From: oisin@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:48:23 GMT

Hello,
From: m_yearwo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Mike Yearworth)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: help
Keywords: Pseudo Inverse Filters HP-UX status
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:49:01 GMT
Reply-To: m_yearwo@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk
Organization: Bristol-Polytechnic

Hi,
	i) I've just started using khoros and tried a simple pseudo
inverse filter restoration. The diplay of the log of the magnitude
of the forward FFT of the blurred image and the PSF have the low
frequencies in the centre of the display. My inverse filtered image
consequently has the 4 quadrants in the wrong order. Is there any way of
using natural ordering in the Fourier domain (low frequencies in the corners)
so that my filtered image comes out in the right order? [flame to /dev/null
if this a RTFM]
	ii) Anybody got the patches to the hp.cf file to use shared
libraries on an HP-UX 8.05 snake? [sorry if this is a FAQ]

Thanks
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|Bristol Polytechnic        | Tel:    +44 272 656261 ext. 3159   | 
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From: Peter.Averkamp@e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Peter Averkamp)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: VIFF to HDF?
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:00:28 GMT


Robert M. Cothren <rim@bme.ri.ccf.org> writes:

> I am interested in using XDataSlice on some of my data.  I currently
> use KHOROS to process 2-D image planes of 16-bit grey-level images,
> then assemble them as a single multiband VIFF image that I would like
> to treat at 3-D dataset.
> 
> Has anyone written a VIFF to HDF converter that could be used to port
> my multiband images to XDS?  Is there some way to do this using
> existing filters without loosing 16-bit dynamic range in my images?

Sorry no canned solution, but a hint: get the hdf tools from NCSA.
             (ftp to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu:/HDF)
You will find a directory fptohdf, which contains a tool to convert
(among others) a very simple ascii file format to the required SDS.
Then you should be able export your multiband image as raw ascii data,
attach an ultra-simple header and hand them to fptohdf. I don't remember
the data ordering, so this may cost some reading & hacking. To preserve
the 16-bit dynamic it may be even necessary to use floating point format.

I remember having seen another similar tool, somewhere in the source
tree, but an alpha particle seems to have hit just this memory cell...
There are converters for gif/tiff/xbm/fits, but these won't help
directly as they only produce HDF-files. You want SDS.

> Likewise, how about a HDF to VIFF converter so I can get slices back
> into KHOROS?

Here you are lucky: look at the 'contrib'-directory of the above
mentioned toolkit. In the subdirectory 'salem' you will find 
converters from and to tiff and sun rasterfiles. Khoros will
understand these filetypes via tiff2viff and rast2viff. 
The NCSA 'Reformat' converter tool currently (to my knowledge)
only does conversions into HDF, so this is not useful for you.

 - Peter Averkamp -


Peter Averkamp,                      | email:
Physics Department E20               | petav@e20.physik.tu-muenchen.de
Techn. Univ. of Munich               | Phone: ++49 (89) 3209-2408
D-8046 Garching, Germany             | Fax:   ++49 (89) 3209-2338
From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros at SIGGRAPH
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:22:51 GMT



++++++++++++  KHOROS USERS GROUP MEEETING +++++++++++++++
                           AT
                       SIGGRAPH `92

Please come join us and learn about Khoros 2.0

        Wednesday July 29th
        6:00pm - 7:00pm
        McCormick Hotel
        Rm: (not determined yet)

Tenative Schedule:
        General Khoros 2.0 Overview
           Discussion of new user interface builder
           Discussion of new distributed computing mechanisms
           Discussion of new configuration management tools
        Current status of Khoros
        Questions and Answers

Hope to see lots of you there!!!!!


Tom
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The Khoros Group          |
Dept. of EECE             |  
University of New Mexico  |  Phone: (505) 277-6563
Albuquerque, NM 87131     |    Fax: (505) 277-1439
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From: steve@chama.eece.unm.edu (Steven Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: re: cache binaries not included
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:00:19 GMT

On Jul 28, 12:33, Mail forwarded from EIKENBERRY wrote:
} Subject: cache binaries not included in binsun4.
>> I have retrieved the sun4 binaries from internet and everything seems to work
>> great except there seems to be some files missing.
>> I can't find the binaries for cachefile, cacheflus,cachels, etc.
>> Cantata wont let me use cache instead of temp files and I assume it's because
>> it cant find these files. I am setting the resource for cache to yes and use
>> cache to yes in the application.
>> 
>> If you could give me any insight on how to fix these or get the proper
>> files it would be greatly appreciated.
}-- End of excerpt from Mail forwarded from EIKENBERRY

	Hmm.. Well, I don't know what version of Khoros you have, but
	the cache stuff was removed from khoros back in patch 3.
	Where did you get Khoros?  The one on pprg.eece.unm.edu has patch 5
	which is the latest.  Instead of a cache system, you can specify
	that connections use shared memory.  This is basically what the
	cache system was, but the shared memory transport is part of our
	new distributed environment, and replaces the function of the cache
	and more.

						Steve


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From: bkoo@nvl.army.mil (Bobby Bohn-Joon Koo)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: gcc and vdefines.h problem
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:32:28 GMT

To the khoros group:

We are running khoros1.5 on a Sun/SparcStation SunOS 4.1.1 and Solbournes running OS/MP 4.1A.1

We are having a problem with gcc.  The include file arf_io.h includes
rpc.h which eventually includes malloc.h The gcc malloc.h include file
defines malloc to return a pointer to a void (void *malloc).  However,
vinclude.h includes vdefines.h which defines malloc to return a
pointer to a char (char *malloc).  We get the following results when
we try to compile with gcc (using cc works fine, though):

lucy:~/wrongcat> test.c

#include <arf2/arf_io.h>
#include <vinclude.h>

main()
{
  printf("Hello.\n"); 
}
lucy:~/wrong> cc test.c -I/usr/local/include -I$KHOROS_HOME/include
lucy:~/wrong> a.out
Hello.
lucy:~/wrong> rm a.out
lucy:~/wrong> gcc test.c -I/usr/local/include -I$KHOROS_HOME/include   
In file included from /packages/khoros1.5/include/vinclude.h:128, from test.c:3:
/packages/khoros1.5/include/vdefines.h:219: conflicting types for `malloc'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1/2.2.2/include/malloc.h:41: previous declaration of `malloc'
/packages/khoros1.5/include/vdefines.h:223: conflicting types for `calloc'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1/2.2.2/include/malloc.h:39: previous declaration of `calloc'
lucy:~/wrong> a.out
zsh: command not found: a.out
lucy:~/wrong>


Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Bobby									  ^


B. Koo
NVEOD/ISPD/AEAT
Ft. Belvoir, VA 22060
(703)704-1685
bkoo@nvl.army.mil
From: sdlime@walleye.unet.umn.edu (Steve Lime)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: VPML
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:55:44 GMT

Greetings:

	I am looking for more information regarding the KHOROS routine
vpml.  The documentation is rather vague and I was hoping others might
might be using the program and/or might have references regarding the
P(m,L) algorithm.  I am not yet on the mailing list, so if possible
please respond via E-mail.

Thanks in Advance,
Stephen Lime
U of Mn- Remote Sensing Lab

replies to: sdlime@torpedo.forestry.umn.edu