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From: robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert)
Subject: Re: Youngs RamRod
Originator: robl@macro
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:38:25 GMT


In article <music.718596428@batman>, music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
|> While I haven't had Samiclaus "light
|> (as opposed to the "dark"), the "dark" Samiclaus is a classic heavy
|> malt, very smooth, super-alcoholic beer in the tradition of the finest
|> Munich has to offer, something like a very strong, smooth version of
|> Salvator (Paulaner). 

   I've had both, and the light and dark version aren't that different.
I think this may be the first time I've heard Samichlaus described as
'smooth', though. By most counts, Samichlaus is the strongest beer in the
world (around 14% alcohol by volume), and it has a flavor to match. It's
enjoyable if you're in the right mood, certainly, but it tends toward the
overpowering.

|> But not at all like Old Nick, which is a
|> Barleywine Style Ale, which, while being very strong both in alcohol
|> and taste, is way different in style and taste from Samiclaus. Both
|> will knock your socks off taste and alcohol-wise, but they are about
|> as different as 2 beer styles can get.

   I don't know. I can see how someone might find a similarity between Old 
Nick and Samichlaus. They're both very malty and high in alcohol (though Old 
Nick is a fairly conventional strength - around 8.5% - for a Barley Wine). 
I'm not sure what style Samichlaus technically is. Its primary competition 
in the heavyweight category, EKU's Kulminator 28, is a Doppelbock, and 
Samichlaus may be as well, though one could argue that it's a style all its
own.

   Compare Samichlaus to something like a Berliner Weisse, and _there_
you've got two styles about as different as you can get... :-)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mrsmart@cs1.bradley.edu (Robert Knautz)
Subject: Beer Camp and Weinkeller
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:14:34 GMT

I read in the "old" pub list that the Weinkeller 2 is supposed to be
opening in Westmont in "Early 92"  Does anyone know about this place.
I am going to be in Glen Ellyn for a job fair on the 30th and would
like to hit some of the beer attractions close to there.  Also what
do people know about the Pavichevich Brewery in Elmhurst.  Is it a
brewpub or do they have tours/beer for sale?

Also, my boss said he saw in an Indiana paper an article about a "beer
camp" in Ohio.  Does anyone know about this?


Thanks
Rob

p.s. do not use the heartland address.

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From: awagliar@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Andy Wagliardo)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud sucks
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:43:13 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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scl7375@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
: I just would like to take this drunken opportunity to say that bud 
: tastes like shitwater or goat piss, or any other gross think you can 
: think of. I can't drink it even when I'm drunk.

I second that, but there are worse:

    Milwaukee's Beast (bull piss)
    Milwaukee's Beast Light (watered-down bull piss)
    Olympia (stale cow piss)

May you find a suitable brew.  And now, back to my keg...


Andy "file system full Wagliardo      "Now is the Windows of our disk contents
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: sam adams double boch
Reply-To: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:55:38 GMT


	there is a neat little place in syracuse new york with ads boasting,
"no bottles, no cans, no loud music" so i checked it out. glorious. it is
called clarke's ale house. last night i tried the sam adams double boch, and i
found it to be excellent. my roomate did not care for it, and shared that
sentiment by saying, "ugh, it tastes like watermelon." ~:) anyway, i am a very
amateur brewer myself, (having only made 6 batches, and they all seem to come
out like killians red for some reason) so i dont know all the in's and outs.
but lets say i wanted to try to duplicate this s.a. double boch, what would i
have to do? all suggestions appreciated, and any homebrewers with tips please
feel free to e-mail me.
			lee
From: schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Schuyler (Go Braves!!) Stultz)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: favorites
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:22:11 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Oct13.220803.16950@leland.Stanford.EDU> miriah@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Hot blonde) writes:
>Pelforth (french beer, the dark version is best)
^^^^^^^^^^

You're the first person I've heard this side of the Atlantic to mention this
beer.  I had it my first night out in Nice last summer.  Up to that point 
having only had american and cheap imports,  I was very impressed.  Alas
stuck here in the mountains of SW Virginia, none of the import shops I've
been in here in Blacksburg carry it.  One guy had head it, but had never
had it in stock.  Where are you getting it?  What's the name of the importer?
Thanks in advance.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Non-Alcoholic Beers
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:49:17 GMT

i always wanted to know why people bothered with this stuff... 
if u dont want to drink alcohol, then by a carbonated soda... (this is not a flame)
cause in my opinion the fermentration adds to the flavor and by extracting or boiling the alcohol out it kills the taste.. 
but to answer your query.. i hear Coors Cutter is decent .. but i never tried it ..
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From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Pete's Wicked Ale
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:32:23 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA

In article <1992Oct15.143555.19082@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.124322.12562@samba.oit.unc.edu> WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU (Bill Pitts) writes:
>>I bought a bottle of Pete's (my first) for a friend recently. From memory,
>>the label said that Pete's brewery was in Palo Alto but that the beer was
>>made in St. Paul (under contract).
>
>Their office is in Palo Alto.  It is brewed by August Schell in New Ulm, MN.
>And it's CHEAP here!

It is my understanding that Pete's uses several contract brewers, one for 
the east coast and one for the west coast.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin)
Subject: Re: giraffe
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:10:38 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Oct14.161015.10198@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
>In article 92Oct11232520@tuborg.nork.auc.dk, majland@nork.auc.dk (Anders Majland Pedersen) writes:
>>
>>   >>Does anyone in alt.beer lans enjoy a Danish beer called "Giraffe?"  If so,
>>   >>could you tell me a little about it?  I tried one the other night and loved
>>   >>it, but am unable to find it in any stores.  Thanks.
>>
>>   >Yes, it's pretty good, but why is it only available in LONG necks???   8)   8)
>>
>>  To make a long story short. Its a fine beer, and is from a company called
>>Albani. From what i read here on News you get it in bottles with a long neck.
>
>AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!  No, no, no.  It was an ill-fated attempt of mine at humor.
>You know, sarcasm.  Let's see, Giraffe and LONG neck.   Hmm.  How do I put this
>to try to make it actually funny...  I give up.  There's a good joke in there
>somewhere, just begging to get out, but I have had a long week already and give
>up.  NO, it's not actually in a LONG NECK BOTTLE.  Forgive my wet humor...
>
>---
Down here in New Zealand it does come in a long necked bottle and the
drinkers attention is directed to this fact by a lable on the back of
the bottle. It is quite a nice drop but the first one has a real kick.
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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: Youngs RamRod
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:16:20 EDT

In <6045@dove.nist.gov> cst@bork.nist.gov (Charles S. Tarrio) writes:

>Young's also makes a few more brews with a lot more flavor than the
>Ram Rod that can be found if you know where to look.  One is a not-
>very-bitter Bitter.  The only other that I can think of now is Old
>Nick, a barleywine that has my all-time favorite picture on the bottle.
>Old Nick was the first barleywine I ever had that made me realize why
>it's called barleywine.  The aroma literally reminds me of cheap red
>wine, and the flavor is entirely different, not unlike that of
>Samiclaus.  

"Not unlike Samiclaus"???!??? Whoa, now, what sort of Samiclaus and/or
Old Nick have YOU been drinking? While I haven't had Samiclaus "light"
(as opposed to the "dark"), the "dark" Samiclaus is a classic heavy
malt, very smooth, super-alcoholic beer in the tradition of the finest
Munich has to offer, something like a very strong, smooth version of
Salvator (Paulaner). But not at all like Old Nick, which is a
Barleywine Style Ale, which, while being very strong both in alcohol
and taste, is way different in style and taste from Samiclaus. Both
will knock your socks off taste and alcohol-wise, but they are about
as different as 2 beer styles can get. I will agree with you on one
count, however: Old Nick has one of the greatest labels of any beer in
the world, and it gets better, the more bottles you drink...;^)...
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From: scottg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCOTT GEORGE NORMAN)
Subject: Re: Coors Winterfest and Killians Red (was Re: american beer)
Reply-To: george@windslc.nrel.gov
Organization: Colorado State Reformatory for Young Hussies and Trollops
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:32:08 GMT

COWAN@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Paul L. Cowan) writes:

>I also liked Killian's Red when it first came on the market, but lately 
>it tastes like soda water. I recently moved from the East Coast, so the
>loss in flavor may be due to the difference between the Williamsburg and
>Boulder breweries.

BOULDER? Coors ain't brewed in Boulder, it's brewed right here in downtown
Golden, Colorado. Boulder's where they brew all them thangs with names a
cowboy caint even pronounce, like 'Boulder Extra Pale Ale', 'Boulder Porter',
'Devils Thumb Stout' - you know, that kind of un-American 'beer'.

But seriously, I'm sure our local Killians comes from the Golden brewery, and
it too has gone downhill in recent years.  Too bad, because Coors can brew a 
decent beer when they feel like it.

Disclaimer: My only connection with Coors is that I can smell it from here when
the wind is right.

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From: br645@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Woleslagle)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Philadelphia beer scene?!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 02:54:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Help!
	I am trying to find out where to get good beer in Philadelphia at a half
way reasonable price.  It seems like a six-pack of anything is at least $6-7, and case prices are also high.  I realize that this situation is mostly due to 
PENNSYLVANIA's ARSININE LIQUOR REGULATIONS AND TAXES, but that doesn't help me much since I don't have an automobile
	I'm looking for the following things:
	1) Place with a GOOD selection of beers (6's or cases)
	2) Places with GOOD prices
	3) Any microbrew places BESIDES Sam Adams or Dock St.
	4) Places with a good selection of draft beers
	5) Any Philly beer happenings (I'm not a brewer however)

	If anyone can help convince me that the city of brotherly love, our nation's fifth largest, is not an absolute dung hole as far as beer drinking goes, I'd be much obliged.
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From: miles@mindlink.bc.ca (Ya'akov Miles)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Non-Alcoholic Beers
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:35:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Are there any good non-alcoholic beers out there?  I tried O'Dools and
Exel and found that they looked like beer, had a head like beer, but
had no taste, as though they were watered down.  In fact, they advertised
1/2 the calories of regular beer.  Please help - I like beer but don't
like getting drunk.  Why is it all the 5% beers have cornered the taste?

ps:     THe low alcohol beers have to list ALL the ingredients on the can.
        Why don't regular beers have to do the same?
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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Old Peculiar (was MOST expensive beer)
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:38:41 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hector.cs.brown.edu

In article <1992Oct15.193309.9575@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
|> In article <1bikebINN1aq@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>, dwv@cs.brown.edu
|> > I bought a 6-pack of Old Peculiar in Cambridge, MA for 12.50 US$, and
|> > also (mentioned recently) I bought a 4-pack of Duvel for $8.
|> > 
|> 
|> Now I assume you're talking Theakston's Old Pec? Just for interest, what size
|> were the bottles? I reckon to pay about a pound each (currently $1.70ish) for
|> bottles that hold rather less than half an Imperial pint (about 9 fluid
|> ounces.)

Actually, I was unaware there was more than one Old Peculiar, so I don't
know if it is "Theakston's" or something else... please let me know if there
are others.

I bought this six-pack after first reading this newsgroup for about 2 weeks
last spring (May '92).  Someone was compiling a list of "favorite beers"
which had grown to about 10 or so, and "Old Peculiar" was touted by many
people as being truely amazing to the best ever... so I bought something
that said "Old Peculiar", and wasn't surprised by the price since everyone
said it was _so_ good.

Well, it was very good, but not worth the $12.50 I paid... I'll stick to
DUVEL if I'm paying that much.

I'm pretty sure the bottles of Old Peculiar were standard US 12oz.  By my
calulations, that's:

My price in Boston			Your price England

$2.08 per bottle			$1.70 per bottle
$0.17 per ounce				$0.19 per ounce

...based on your exchange rate, and both of our memories after drinking ;-)


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From: hware@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Henry W Ware)
Subject: Re: Killian's Red
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:51:29 GMT

In article <binkley.719246874@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley
) writes:
>gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan) writes:
>>> Killian's Red (Bottled by Coors but you wouldn't know it)
>>Oh, some of us would.  Its light and salty, no serious
[...]
>[Killian's is] standard Coors with a little bit of amber coloring.
>

U.S. Killian's is (or atleast wasn't) an Coors reciepe.

It is, I believe, under licence from the French firm George 
Killian's.

So its an American imitation of a French version of an Irish 
(style) beer!  ;-)

Drink one for me,
 Henry                            hware@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Chief Oshkosh...bgosh!
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:02:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:

>I'm pretty much addicted to Sprecher Amber (available only in
>SE Wisconsin) but recently ran across a six-pack of Chief Oshkosh (sp?)
>in the far-back cooler of my favorite liquor store.

	You spelled it right.
>
>I was surprised!  Not bad at all.  Actually, I'll have to buy it again.
>Anyone else have any opinions?  How long has this stuff been around and
>has it always tastes as it does now?

	It's been around a while.  A pretty good cheap beer.  Available at
	a few local Madison bars, notably the bar at Porta Bella
	Restaurant.  Tell 'em Rich & Ted sent you.
>
>-- 
>Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

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From: dbn7350@zeus.tamu.edu (NASH, DAVID BENNETT III)
Subject: Re: Please Help
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.153416.9443@csc.ti.com>, jimv@dadd.ti.com writes...
>In article 1b21l1INN9ba@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU, dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:
>>10.) What is your favorite type of beer?
>>Guinness in Ireland		[ ]
>>Guinness on tap anywhere	[ ]
>>Guinness in bottles		[ ]
>>Guinness in new cans		[ ]
>>other				[X]
  Shiner Bock in kegs   :}      [X]

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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: feed me
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:03:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 16:55:15 GMT

In article <92288.125516MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu> MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
[well, I deleted the whole posting but I'm sure no-one will mind]
Looks like another fresher left themself logged in.
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From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Re: "Clever" .sig 
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:19:23 GMT

(body of message zapped)
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>    If Bill Clinton is the Answer, It Must be a Very Stupid Question.

Just an observation, NOT a political endorsement:
Considering the current poll standings, one might say that "Who is going
to win the Presidential election?" is a Very Stupid Question.

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From: kimmel@staff.tc.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: best beer under $6
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.211509.8832@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.200334.28771@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:
>>I agree:  Berghoff is a fine brew for just $3.79/six.  I like the regular and
>>the dark--the bock is not so great.  Also Christian Moerlein ($4.19/six) is
>>also very good.
>
>No disagreements here.  Not long ago one could buy CM in my home town
>in Illinois for under $12/24.
>
>Leinenkugel used to be okay, but something dreadful has happened to it.
>(What?)  Ditto Augsburger, which IMHO sort of teeters on the edge of
>drinkability.
>
Leinenkugel was purchased by Miller and Augsburger was also purchased by a
large brewery (that I can't remember -- Strohs?).  Augsburger Bock is still
pretty good.  As of last year's supply, anyways.

>Mark., your mileage may vary
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Harley-Davidson Beer
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:03:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

Harley-Davidson beer is a contract brew that appears occasionally during
the summer. Over the years it seems to have changed brewers frequently.
You can usually find it at popular motorcycle gatherings like Daytona or
Sturgis. I haven't seen it locally for awhile, but then I haven't looked
for it.

It's by no means the worst beer. It usually is a dark or amber beer (looking
a little like motor oil, you see) with a little more taste than the average
American lager. I had some about 6 years back that was actually very good. 

Mainly sold by it nifty cans, of course.
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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Black and Tans!
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:49:19 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

>>  Either way, remember: keep the Guinness at room
temp.
and the ale at 59 F, and pour it with a spoon and you're fine! Really, it WILL
work!



My question is, why would anyone want it to?  I mean, if you don't want it
mixed, don't mix it.  Right?  

Mike Wilson
brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us