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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Is IMAGE worth reading?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:29:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.061806.26750@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes...
>jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle):
>>>I haven't read any of the Image titles yet.  Are there any worth picking up?
> 
>>Wildcats (Jim Lee's book) isn't...a total waste... Savage Dragon is the best
>>of the bunch: it's got decent writing, believable text and plots, and good 
>>artwork.  Supreme is alright, but it's nothing special.
> 
>"Not a total waste" and "alright but...nothing special" translate to
>not worth picking up.  So the question is whether you meant that Savage
>Dragon is or isn't worth reading.  (How strong a recommendation is 'decent'?)

	Sorry about that... I tend to understate things. Wildcats is pretty
good, and so is Dragon. I used "decent" since the writing isn't the best, but
it's far from the worst I've read. And Supreme is only alright, not good, not
decent :-)

	Joe

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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
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In-reply-to: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)

In article <C0pL9x.HGJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tgt33358@uxa (Thanatos) writes:

It doesn't matter; just the idea of someone who's handle is "Thanatos"
commenting on the subject of "Best Death" gave me a chuckle.  Hey, who
better to judge, eh?
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:53:54 GMT

In article <1ietupINNin9@titan.ucc.umass.edu> donovan@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sean Donovan) writes:
>At least 1 other Presidential cameo I can think of:  Ron Reagan and Mikhail
>Gorbachev in Batman: Son of the Demon.  Oh, wait:  Ron Reagan again in 
>Dark Knight Returns III & IV.  Any others?
  Jimmy Carter was in a Batman Family from when Babs was in Congress.



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From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
Subject: What if...
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:17:55 GMT


What if....

Sandman was a Marvel title?  

Just think of the team-ups and cross-overs!  Sandman and Spider-Man, replete
with Stan "The Man" Lee-isims...

Or beter yet, a healthy dose of Mutant Angst(tm).  X-Men and Sandman team up
to fight Death and the Beyonder!

[oh, I *must* go vomit now....]
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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: IMAGE: Jim Valentino -- what's the deal?
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:40:55 GMT
Keywords: He's such a pompous irritant.  I'd like to slap his creamy head. 

(Jet Jaguar) writes:

*Okay, from what I understand of Image, the idea is this: Really popular
*artists from Marvel books get to make up their own characters and write
*AND draw their own books, making sure to include frequent crossovers with
*each other to build up their own Image universe.
*
*My question is this:  How does Jim Valentino (I think that's his name)
*creator of ShadowHawk, fit into this?  What's the story on this guy?  Was
*he a big-name writer/artist with any of the other companies?  How did he
*get included in this whole Image deal?

*Seriously.  I'm not posting just to rag on the guy, I want to know what the
*story is.  Who is he?  How did he get to be so  popular?  How did he get
*to work at Image?  Did he used to work for Marvel or something?  Is he another
*of the "hot artists?"  Answer me!!

 Valentino has been around for a long time. His self-titled comic book
 was a great success, as well as his revival of the GUARDIANS OF THE
 GALAXY for Marvel. However, I'm really surprised at what total garbage
 SHADOWHAWK has turned out to be. The guy is a great talent who just
 hasn't lived up to his ability since joining Image.

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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: DC:  Scarlett #1
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:07:17 GMT

What did anyone else think of this one?  I haven't seen Buffy, the
Vampire Slayer, but the concepts seem too similar to be coincidental.  
Various things that caught my attention:

1)  Lucy, Ramona & Sunset Sam--is there any significance to these
names?  I think Michael Nesmith did a song involving "Lucy and Ramona
and her brother Sunset Sam"

2)  Was anyone else bothered by the party?  I know high school
students drink, and they were portrayed as "responsible drinkers"
(designated drivers), but still...  Showing it in the comics seems to
be condoning the behavior.

I can't explain why, but this book just didn't appeal to me.  When I
first heard about the book, I thought it could fit in between the
standard DC and the Vertigo line.  But this seems aimed squarely at
the kids.

Other opinions?
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: New Titans #94
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:12:00 GMT

I wouldnt call it complete trash.  
	Okay most of the space was taken up with splashish scenes of Red
Star, so there wasnt a whole hell of alot of story in here, and they are
trying to have 15 loose threads at once so that takes up more space, but there
was some saving graces.  We at least are having a story that is generally about
1 character (Red Star) who really needs flushing out in a bad way, even
if it is just to redo him.  And this is all leading towards issue #100 which
is as we all know the BIG THING (tm) that Peterson planned before his timely
demise, so Im holding out until this all resolves itself.  I have noticed
that these issues have changed considerably from the original solicitations
so maybe there is a future.  I mean we have no gawky captions on the cover
and we do have some nice background characterization.  (though I am still
maintaining strength by rereading back issues form the Voluminous Titans
Box)

-- 
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of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:02:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Signal to Noise
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Harvey does Ultraman (recommended!)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:50:47 GMT

Michael T. Gilbert or Phil Foglio would both do a wonderful job on this
book... but the evil frosting-on-the-outside half of me keeps asking for
Mark Martin or Bob Burden.

                  "Hey, I heard we're goin'
                   to Ape Island."
                                   "Yeah, to capture a giant
                                    ape.  I wish we were
                                    goin' to Candy-Apple
                                    Island."
                                                     "Candy-Apple Island?
                                                      Whatta they got there?"
                  "Apes.  But they're not so
                   big."
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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Best Death
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:28:32 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

The best death Marvel ever did was the death of Jean Grey in X-men #137. Of
course, they had to go and spoil it by bringing her back to life .. 

Other good deaths from Marvel include the death of Captain Marvel, the origin-
al death of Warlock, a number of the Spiderman related deaths (from Capt. Sta-
cy to Jean De Wolff). Two more deaths I thought were well done were the death
of the nameless criminal who dies heroically in FF #51 (this man, this monst-
er), and Tom Thumb in the Squadron Supreme Limited Series (this death takes
place off panel). 

The first comic I read about a hero dying in battle was the classic Ferro Lad
death way back .... I still have a strong sentimental attachment for that st-
ory, although it is rather dated now. Also, among the other legion deaths, I 
liked the story with the death of the original Karate Kid. The deaths of Supe-
rgirl and the Flash stand out as excellent ways to write finis to a hero as
well. The death of the original Black Canary in Secret Origins # 50 also stan-
ds out, mainly as a result of a splendid framing story by Alan Brennert. The
death of Element Girl in Sandman is also an exquisite story. 

But the best death sequence in a DC comic is the death of Rosharch at the han-
ds of Doc M. in Watchmen. 

The most "degraded" death ever suffered by a hero has to be the one suffered
by the erstwhile Sun Boy. I mean, he was turned into a traitor who betrayed
his former teammates, then he got blown up in a null-sphere explosion and
spent several issues screaming in pain and recapping his life, then he got
killed by a former lover without being given a chance to redeem himself.
Talk about getting no respect. 

Abhijit
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From: 003695s@axe.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:13:30 GMT

In article <1ijg9mINN8v0@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
>From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
>Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:08:06 -0600

>jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:

>>In article <1ib71cINNb4i@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes...
>>>jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>>> 
>>>Marvel is CONTINUOUSLY introducing new chracters (as is DC), and not just
>>>in the annuals.  Speaking of annuals, current faves like Speedball, Psylocke
>>>(First US appearance), the New Warriors as a team... all were introduced
>>>in Marvel's annuals in the past, only without much fanfare.

>>       You miss my point. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new
>>DC characters. _ALL_ of 93's annuals will be introducing new Marvel 
>>characters. Coincidence?

>Probably not.  But I haven't heard all the evidence yet... who made the

>Haven't seen the ads yet, myself... I don't even READ the Spirits line,
>unless a housemate's picked one up and I happen to be really bored.  ;)
>Anyway, I must've misread your original post... I thought you'd said
>HellstROm, as in Damon.  Does this have anything to do with him, or is
>HellstORm something that I have NO knowledge of?

  No, HellStOrm _is_ HellStrom (Damon).  The gotta have a snappy title for 
the series, see?  Anyhow, he come up woth this as a codename in an early 
issue of West Coast Avengers.


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: CAL, Computer-Aided Lettering (was Re: Next Men Russian)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:48:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.105736.21408@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> 
> Yeah, he does.  He used Fontographer to create his own font based on his 
> own hand-lettering (perfect letters every time!).  Looks like he just
> made up a second set for JB-Cyrillic or something.
> 
> I have to admit, the lettering in JBNM is excellent.  I'm quite surprised that
> more letterers don't do the same thing -- or why more companies don't (say)
> pay Todd Orzechowski to do up a character set for them.
> 
> The only drawback I could see is that the artist/letterer would be limited by
> the variety of characters usable.  There's more variety in hand-lettering, but
> when the letters are as "perfect" as Byrne's system makes them...

Depends on the artist.  A workmanlike letterer who only puts the words in
the baloons could use this system, but it would definitely wouldn't work
for lettering "artists" like Dave Sim or Ken Bruzenak.
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From: jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar)
Subject: SANDMAN: A Brief comment on Brief Lives
Keywords: Get Anxious!
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:50:35 GMT

For all you naysayers of the Brief Lives storyline, I just wanted to say:

The art and story have been fairly lame so far (except as I mentioned
earlier, I like the whole "whodunnit" side of the story).   But the one
page in I forget which issue, in which Delerium opens her hotel room door
with the keycard, and then lies on the bed blowing bubbles, was so neat
that it has so far saved the whole storyline for me.  It was just such a
nice image, and it was really well-done.

I'm not as much a slobbering sandboy as some of the others I've read on the
net, but it's still one of my favorite comics.  I can't think of a single
storyline (even The Doll's House, which was my favorite) where I've liked
every issue and every aspect of the story.  (Dangerous Habits in Hellblazer
is an example of a storyline where everything worked for me.)  Instead,
certain scenes or aspects of the story in Sandman will stand out in my mind.
The scenes with Barbie and Ken's dreams in The Doll's House; the pages where
all the gods address Morpheus in Season of Mists (along with the issue with
art by Matt Wagner); the characters of Prinado and Wilkinson in A Game of
You.  Anybody else on r.a.c.m have the same experience with Sandman?

Chuck


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From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: misc stuff
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:26:47 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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Swamp Thing: Y'know, in the (relatively) short time I've had access to
this group, I've been amazed by how many people run down Collins' work on
this title. I inquired around town (Saskatoon) as to the sales of Swamp
Thing, and was told they were quite low (no joke), but it was on >Doug
Wheeler's< tenure that this happened. It seems that, if anything, it is
getting marginally >more< popular now. 

I was wondering if it is simply a vocal group here that don't like ST, or
if it is really the majority. I'm not flaming or raising doubts, I'm just
genuinely curious.

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: UX#298: Letters Page Bigot
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 03:39:57 GMT

>It is refreshing to see comic companies write stories with the added realism
>that not every person is straight (see my letter in LSH #38, still on sale
>if you're lucky).  Still, each one will generate criticism for some time.

Wow! Not only does it have your letter, but one by Elizabeth Holden. (The
"Namaste" is quite unforgettable.) 
        
I finally "know" somebody who got a letter published in a comic book! :D

Jay (=

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From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon)
Subject: Re: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:18:33 GMT

In article <f_721am@rpi.edu> tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
writes:
>I was just perusing CSN when I spotted the middle centerspread which 
>is a big color FF ad.  It's been a while sice I've read FF (and will 
>continue to be as long as DuhFalco is 'writing' it).  I have to assume that
>the blond bimbo in the skimpy costume in the center of the ad is the
>invisible woman.  Yeah, nice outfit.  When exactly did they introduce it
>and how did the other members react to the new costume?  I always thought of
>the FF as Marvel's 'first family' of superheroes and that they were supposed
>to be well respected in the Marvel Universe etc.  Did they even bother 
>explaining this away?  
>Just curious...
>
>

Yes...that is Sue Richards.The new costume was introduced in the issues of
Fantastic Four that had the all-white cover. (don't know the number) Reed
Richards reaction was "Oh. That's nice. Did you get the roof fixed?" (something
like that) As for the other's reactions, I do not know. 





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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Justice Society #7
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:14:47 GMT

jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault) writes:
>vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>>I'd just like to see someone mention the All-Star Squadron again.  It seems
>>like everyone's completely ignoring it.  Strazewski acts like Liberty Belle
>>and Johnny Quick were JSA members the whole time (ditto Hawkgirl).
>That reminds me.  In the latest WHO's Who  ( which I normally don't buy ,but
>I picked up for the JSA part )  They said " At one point nearly every
>super-hero was a member" .  Maybe they have retconned the All-Star Squadron
>into the JSA.  I think that was Roy's original plan.

Goddess, I hope not.  That completely eliminates the Squadron's appearances
in _Young All-Stars_.  I'd rather see DC stick with what's already been
printed about the post-Crisis Golden Age, and work from there.

>>Ordway also remembered that some JSAers, like Green Lantern, had costumes
>>that changed subtly over the years.  Mike Parobeck couldn't even remember
>>to give the Sandman the right costume in a flashback to WW2, and Strazewski
>>completely messed up the JSA's then-active roster.
>I read an interview with Ordway that basically said that Roy was extremely
>pick about his art.  Aparently the two didn't get along.  Now that surprised
>me.

I'd be more surprised if Roy Thomas weren't such an apparent stickler for
details regarding the Golden Age characters--not that I'm complaining, mind
you....

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From: danm@sr.hp.com (Dan Merget)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:17:10 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Jacob Solomon Weinstein (jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
> Somewhere in Lucien's library is a multi-volume collection called "The
> Set Of Books From Which Jacob S. Weinstein Would Derive The Most
> Pleasure and Edification." It contains precisely the maximum number of
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> such books that I'll be able to read in my lifetime. I'd love to get my
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> hands on it.

If I were you, I wouldn't be in a hurry to finish that last volume.

What would you do if you found it turned out to be just a 2-volume set?
Suppose it was a single piece of paper that said "This is the last thing
you'll live to read" or "Don't look at what's behind you".  :-)

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