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From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: night and winter
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:43:25 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin


I love winter.  I'm not sure how much of it has to do with being a
December baby, but it's always been my favorite season.  I get to wear
all my favorite clothes, and I can bear being outside, and I don't
have to put my hair up, and it just *feels* better.  It's quietquiet,
just like you were talking about, Janis.  

Of course, last winter I had an interesting experience with the season
-- I had always gone on about "real" weather and how I wanted snow and
how I hated summer and I just wanted it to be winter.  Well, we lived
in an old leaky house with no insulation or central heat and only two
space heaters, and winter came.  We actually had to heat up a pan and
run it under the covers to be able to get into bed.  My husband, who
was born and bred in Wisconsin, teased me about wanting "real" weather
-- and this was weather that yielded no snow.  So even though I love
winter, I wouldn't want to have to live in it without my grandmother's
quilt or my parka.

As for night, I love nighttime, but I grew up in Houston, a high-crime
area.  Because of that, I rarely go out alone at night.  Having lived
in Austin for seven years now, I can go out sometimes at night, but
twelve years of conditioning is a little hard to undo right away.

Another wonderful thing about pagan festivals -- I get to not just go
outside but *be* outside at night, and not have to worry about all the
distractions being outside in the city might bring.

One of my *favorite* things is to be outside, at night, during a
thunder-and-lightning storm.  It makes me go all elemental... :)

-- 
-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)-------------
"Queens never make bargains."  -- The Red Queen, _Through the Looking Glass_
-----amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu--------------The University of Texas @Austin---
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Generic term for the divine etc.
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:17:46 GMT

I recently came upon an interesting acronym for ecumenical discussion:

 CWHY -- referring to the "Cosmic What-Have-You"

an "abbreviated term for god(ess/s), higher powers/planes, etc."

Like other new generics (SO, motas, sie) it lacks the immediacy of some 
more common expressions, but I feel it has it's own charm.

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 29 Sep 1992 02:23:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Well, I been told that God's not really supposed to have any gender...
of course, this is by the SAME church that... ah, why waste my energy?
Dead horse. Sigh.

-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:09:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp> <17608@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
  <1992Sep28.172348.18525@linus.mitre.org>

>In article <17608@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie
)
> writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe 
W
>oodbury) writes:
>>> Well, the song is "Little Boxes", written by Pete Seeger.  According to
>
>>Would you please post the Sing Out! reference to this? I would have sworn
>>by all god/desses living, dead, and unborn that this song was Malvina's.
>>The story I heard was that she wrote it in response to all the apartment
>>complexes ("little boxes made of ticky-tacky") being built in the
>>Berkeley hills, so the reference to the "University" is, of course,
>>UC Berkeley.
>>Richard
>>(Tuneweaver)
>
>      Can't give a reference, but CAN provide an upper limit timestamp:
>this song was on a live Pete Seeger album my parents had prior to
>1965.
>                                                        Peter Trei
>                                                        ptrei@Mitre.org
>
>PS: no doubt the good people on rec.music.folk will flood us with the
>straight dope (note Followup-To: line).
>
While Pete Seeger sang a great version of "Little Boxes", the song was
indeed written by Malvina Reynolds. Seeger's June 8, 1963, concert at
Carnegie Hall was recorded and released by Columbia records under the
title "We Shall Overcome". "Little Boxes" was included and Malvina
Reynolds was given credit. It is a great song--and that is a great album.
From: post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Post)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:57:47 GMT
Subject: Ceremony Suggestions?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

May I have some guidance, please?  I think I could use some.

The short story is a boy is about to be born and I have been asked to do a
ceremony for his circumcision.  Neither of his parents are Christian or have
spiritual purposes in mind for doing this.

It is to be done for hygenic, aesthetic and medical reasons.

Besides comforting the child, I want to, in some honorable way, bury the
tissue and say something about returning to the Earth and the Stars from
which it and all of us came.

I also want to address the wellness aspects.

Has anyone thought about this, and is willing to share some ideas?

Thanks,

David Post  davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: INTODUCTION
Originator: blchapma@c00007-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:58:55 GMT


In article <2AC7304C.19572@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> 
|> In article <1992Sep27.211719.27940@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <0096119F.56E7C320@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> >
|> >|>      A delight to meet you! Ren & Stimpy, Anyone?
|> >
|> >"What'll we do 'till *then*?"
|> >"You can play with your Magic Nose Goblins."
|> >
|> >HAPPY HAPPY
|> >
|> >JOY JOY
|> 
|> And don't forget your Happy Helmet!!
|> 
|> Blessings,
|> Janis
|> 
|> P.S.:  NO!!!!! You can't have my ice cream sandwich!  I've had it since
|> I was a CHILD!!!!!!

Oh no!  This can't be a case of.....

SPAAAACE MADNESS!!!!!!

(It's better than bad it's good)
-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
************************************************************
From: n9140397@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Michael J. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Summary: Qaballistic Serpent, medical
Keywords: Qaballistic, Serpent, Asclepious
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:43:06 GMT
Distribution: alt.pagan
Organization: Western Washington University

Well, here's my two bits on the serpent symbol.

One Serpent which no one has mentioned yet is that of the serpent on the
tree of life.  He winds himself through the paths between the sephiroth and
represents the way of return or ascention.  If interested, I'll get my
act together and go through my books for a more accurate description.

Also, the symbol of Asclepious (I think that's the origin), the rod with
the two snakes around it rising up commonly used by the medical community
(at least here; I've never been to Australia myself).  I believe that
originated in Ancient Greece: Asclepious would use his rod to remove disease
and heal the person.  The snakes represent the ailments rising out of the
afflicted.

That's all.  If you want more, post.

Dymen.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:35:11 GMT

In article <BvILss.7ME@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes:
>
>>>Blessings,
>>>Janis the Castrating Bitch
>
>>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
>>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
>>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially
>>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
>
>Well, I am male, and I very much enjoy being called a bitch.  I often call
>myself one.  My reasons are in the post about janis' net.name.  Bitches, IMO,
>are *anyone* who doesn't fit into the patriarchal machine.  Bitches are people
>who recognise the power in *all* people--starting with themselves.
>
>Make sense, folks?

Makes lots of sense. I love the name "bitch", too. Although I don't like to
add "castrating" as much, since I don't like to make a practice of emasculating
in vengeance, especially since I might catch some people in the process who
happen to be men, but aren't responsible for the problem. Men can be nice 
people! :->  However, this doesn't prevent me from occasionally using 
someone's balls for a bowtie, if they do cause me problems....

Marty

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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Food Blessings
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.225204.4896@lclark.edu> klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:
>
>My question for y'all: what do you say/sing/do for your food blessing?  Do
>you do this at every meal?  What about snacks? *grin*

I usually don't use one -- pity.  I could imagine one at Thanksgiving,
but since I have Thanksgiving dinner with my boyfriend's family and his
brother is a BAC, I don't want to stir up trouble, so I say it in my
head. 

It doesn't have any set format, just thanking the Earth for giving us
this, and acknowledging that it is a LOAN and not a GIFT; we have a
responsibility to give BACK to the Earth what it gave us.

Blessings,
Janis
From: electric@meltdown.chi.il.us (Rick Martinez)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: night and winter
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:20:50 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

I must agree.  I do not fear the dark.  It's just another side of life that has
to be dealt with on a regular basis.

My favourite weather.....Rain.  There's nothing like a good electrical storm
to get my spirits up.  I feel closer to nature when out in the rain.  Why?
Because nature is asserting itself and becoming the key aspect of every persons
day who is in the area of the rain.

Peace,

Rick - Newbie - The Electric Knight

|Animals eat animals     |ADDR1: rmartine@harper.UUCP          *preferred*  |
|Creation eats the winner|ADDR2: electric@meltdown.chi.il.us   *preferred*  |
|Fall down to the beetles|ADDR3: knight22@amiganet.chi.il.us                |
|and start back up again |           Commit random acts of Kindness         |
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Cussin' (was: re: who do you kneel to when you pray?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:42:22 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


And now that you've all reminded me of quotes from favorite authors . . .

	"Shards and Shells!"
	"Scorch them/it/you!"

		(from Anne McCaffrey)

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: help from you guys
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:00:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

You've talked in the past about what you've said to fundies when they
pushed you to keep the situation from getting out of hand.  I think I
need some help in that department.

I'm TA-ing an anthropology class this quarter, and one of the subjects
we touch on, of course, is evolution.  I thought ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
about it until I was approached after class by one of the students who
asked me what the anthropologists thought about the Bible.  The phrasing
he used made me think he was sympathetic to creationism.

I replied that the anthropologists considered that that theory was not
well enough supported with fact.  He replied, "Yes, but some people
believe it."

I was one hair away from saying, with no malice intended, "Well, people
have believed all sorts of false garbage under the guise of 
religion . . . " before stopping myself.

I have to teach these kids in my discussion section on Friday, and I'm
concerned that, offhand and reflexively, I will respond to a question
like that by saying, "All kinds of mutually contradictory creation myths
are supported by religion.  Why should one supersede the others?"
thereby allowing to to be a topic of conversation.  I can also see
myself responding, "Religion has been an excuse for people to push all
sorts of bullshit . . . " off the cuff, and getting into a "verbal
tussle." 

I'm VERY WORRIED that, should this situation arise, I might say
something that would start something up, without meaning to.  However, I
don't want to let a remark like, "But the Bible says . . . " go
unchallenged.

In short, how do I challenge something like that without starting
something?  Fundies are notorious for taking any difference of opinion
as a personal affront, and I am tempted to say, "Well, if you believe in
creationism, what the hell are you doing in an anthro class, damn it?"

Any opinions?  Again, I don't want to let a remark like that just go,
but I don't want to start something, and I most definitely don't want to
waste the class's time frittering away the hour arguing with a fundie
with rocks in their head.

If anyone out there has experience dealing with such a situation, I'd
appreciate it.

Blessings,
Janis  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Tarot decks and elements
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:57:00 GMT

Quick question/survey/whatever.

In the original tradition that I was taught everything was based on the 
elements.  Everything had an elemental association.  Now, I have found
that not all traditions assign the same element to the same magickal
things.  So I want to hear what elements various people assign to
the different groups of the tarot (swords, pentacles, clubs, cups).
and (if your feeling up to it) why you place those assignments to
them.

Thanks guys.

BB
Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Reincarnation
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:32:58 GMT

In article <1adcrnINNn95@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>One of the tests for origins here is whether Wiccans believe that everyone
>reincarnates, or only Witches (by special favor of the Goddess).  If the
>former, then we may be dealing with influence from Eastern religions.  If
>the latter, then the only published source known to me is a statement in
>one of Charles Leland's writings on the Italian witches of Tuscany (maybe
>his _Etruscan Roman Remains_?), and one is dealing either with a borrowing
>from leland or with a parallel tradition.  Gardner hints at the latter, and
>Kelly says it is standard Wiccan (Gardnerian?) doctrine, but others with
>whom I've checked say they believe the former.  What's the consensus on this
>net?  -- Robert
>
>Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM

I don't know about the Wiccan beliefs in general, though if I read some
of the people here correctly, it's a matter of personal choice as to what
they believe goes on after death, and not necessarily a doctrine set by
Wicca.

On the subject of reincarnation, a friend of mine suggests that instead of
the entire person being reincarnated into another life form, parts of the
person's energy go flying off in different directions. These parts then
join parts of other people's energy, and then coalesce into a whole new
being. The example he sites is the relationship between he and I. He maintains
that we share pieces of the same sense of humour of another being. There
have been many times when we've come up with the same funny thought almost
simultaneously. He once grabbed my shoulders and looked into my eyes and
said, "It's like being in someone else's mind." We share a mental bond that
is linked by more than just the sense of humour however. We are a few years
apart in age, he being younger, but it seems as though we've had nearly 
identical experiences in life at nearly the same points in our lives. It's
made me reevaluate the idea of reincarnation.

Just as the physical body can be reduced to the sum total of the elements
that make it up, water, a few mineral salts and such, perhaps the spirit
can be broken down into elemental parts as well. The sense of humour, one's
sense of honour, kindness, evil, patience, etc. Maybe it's why so many
people going into past life regression can claim to have been Cleopatra or
Richard III. Maybe they each share pieces of those people.

Just a thought. What do the rest of net.you think?

Bb,

Corun
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Samhain at Janis's . . .
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:05:51 GMT

In article <2OCT199217121710@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark 
Blandino) writes:
> 
> (Just had to add the entire post so someone could get some use
> out of their flamethrowers.  8-)


  Dear Tammy;

  Thank you very much for the opportunity.  I've had this
thing sitting around for almost 3 months now, and (can you
believe it?) I've never gotten around to firing it up for
more than a couple of posts.

  So, here goes (valve "A" to 15psi, valve "O" to 8psi, count
to four, oops, no, uhm ... oh, ok.  Here we go;)

  <flame on>

  Ha, you silly, silly, person -- to be wasting all of about
ten cents worth of my precious bandwidth that I'd be using
anyway to call someone long distance so I guess it doesn't
really matter anyways ...

  Oops, that's not quite right.  Maybe it was "A" to 20psi and
"O" to 18psi?  No, too much red ... uhm, ok -- now I've got
it;

  Yeh, your mother smelt of elderberries and your ...

  No, that's definitely not right.  Ok, maybe "O" to 18psi
and back off on "A" to about, uhm, damn -- now it's gone
completely out.  Hell.  Now I have to bleed the lines and
put up with this ascetelyne smell all afternoon.  Yuk.

  Does anyone have their flamethrower instructions handy?
I've got one of those new ones with only three valves, and
the red squiggly thing on the top -- does anyone else have
one of these and know how to get it working?

  Flameless for now, Ciaran.

  P.S.  Janis; do we need sleeping bags or something like that?
The weather up here's been hovering in the low 30's and high
20's at night (ouch, my poor garden!) -- hopefully you've still
got sunny skies.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagans: Do _NOT_ Ban SCA
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:52:37 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

jblain@ac.dal.ca writes:

> over heraldry. However, my chief beef with SCA things I've seen, from the
> point of view of historical accuracy, has been a dearth of peasants, serfs,
> etc . . .)

There are several reasons for this. The simplest is that the SCA is a 
re-creation society. As such, we seek to re-create many of the Arts & 
Sciences of the Mideval and Rennaissance periods. Artisans and 
Scholars did not come from the peasantry. Such were wholly the realm 
of Freemen and Nobles. The "game" that we seek to play does not 
therefore formally recognize the lower castes. Now, in truth, many 
SCAers have alternate, or secondary, personas that ARE of low birth, 
so that you can go out and let your hair down and still be "in 
persona". Especially among the higher Nobles (Dukes, Barons, Kings 
even) this is very popular. There is even one Court Baron (an honorary 
title, usually held by someone who has stepped down from Baronial 
office) who has an alternate persona of a fool (I speak of Pippin, of 
course. There can be only one!).

I hope I have explained some of the misconception of the lack of 
unofficial peasantry, and their factual absence from official 
recognition. Remember that we seek to re-create our chosen period "not 
as it was, but as it should have been". :) Nobody wants to play plague 
victim.


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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruddair, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:56:36 GMT
Subject: cats and magic
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser) writes:
>  And I guess my kitty wanted to participate too, since she leapt onto
>the altar and singed her fur on the candles... (feline flambe', almost!)
>Fortunately she wasn't hurt; I blew her out in time. ;)

Speaking of cats...

I recently did a full moon ritual, had actually finished and was putting
things away when I discovered one of our two indoor cats curled up in
a tight ball, fast asleep, pressed against the North side of my altar.  
How sweet, I thought, and I didn't even see her enter the circle (cats do 
have that special quality about them and don't seem to need to have a door 
cut in the circle for them to enter).  I decided that the altar dismantling 
could wait until the next morning (dismantling being putting my black 
velvet cape away in the closet and returning the sturdy computer hardware 
box back to the garage).

The next morning I got up and she was still there, curled up on the
North side of the altar, snoozing away.  But now, up against the South 
side of the altar, just as asleep, was the second of the two cats.
Hmmmm, are cats attracted to places of where magic is worked, or do 
they just like black velvet capes?  The way that cats' minds work, I'll
never know!

Does anyone else have cat stories to share?

Lynne
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