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From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:02:43 GMT

In article <Bv5xon.Atn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>johnsonchris@bvc.edu writes:
>
>>  I don't think it would be as hard as it seems.  Ren and Stimpy episodes 
>>have been on MTV before, and Rugrats is shown on VH-1.  I think what they 
>>should do is hire back John K, but maybe have to decide to gear the 
>>cartoons to a more adult audience (the Liquid Television/Bill Pympton 
>>fans.)  I think Spumco needs some desperate support from the network rather 
>>than just being told to do so many episodes with so much money.  More than 
>>35 animators are needed.  More leniancy on time limits (although not to 
>>excess).  More understanding that animation is a delicate process that 
>>takes time, especially to those of the cel-animation school.
>
>I dunno.  Nick has a whole slew of cartoon shows, none of which have any
>apparent problems with cranking out new episodes on time.  I'm inclined to
>take Nick's side on the issue of John K. being late with the cartoons.  He
>has a responsibility to get his new shows out in time, regardless of how
>hard that may be for him to do.  So I can see Nick's point of view here.
>
>That's not to say that I support Nick's censorship of his work, nor their
>decision to can John K. over the issue, and ESPECIALLY not their plans to
>continue R&S without John K.
>
>>  Or maybe there could be two Ren and Stimpy's!  The kiddie R&S and the MTV 
>>"Adult" R&S.   Nah...
>
>Hmmm.  "As Clean as They Wanna Be" vs. "As Steenky as They Wanna Be."
>
>
>                               --Steve Stelter
>                                 sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

A whole slew of cartoons? They only make three, and I hardly consider 
"Rugrats" or "Doug" to be all that good. <Occassionally cute.> I am 
hardly suprised that "Doug"'s minimalist world can be made on time. And
"Rugrats" is churned out by some factory. <I hate "Rugrats". They try so      
hard to look like the Simpson's in some ways, but not enough to get sued>
Neither of them shows the care, and thought that go into RNS.
As for all those other toons, <Mysterious cities of gold, Spartakus and the
City beneath the sea, Wuzzles> they are bought, pre-packaged, from
syndicators. Most are either old Saturday morning product, or imported
from someplace in Europe. 
To me, Ren and Stimpy shows more imagination and care. If it takes a little 
longer, so be it. That is what they have to understand.

					--Judex--
From: at887@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Butler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Ren & Stimpy broadcast schedule....?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:06:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: at887@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Butler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I finally caught part of a Ren & Stimpy show - I tuned in during an
incredibly deranged dialogue about a bar of soap - and laughed so
hard I nearly passed out!  Can someone tell me (a) what times & stations
I can find R&S on so I can start taping it and (b) how many episodes
are available?

Thanx,
Scott
"Don't forget to fill dad's boots with coleslaw!"
-- 

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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: R&S in FILM THREAT!!
Keywords: Ren Stimpy Film Threat
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:41:40 GMT

What in the hell is Film Threat??  Never heard of it!  Can it be gotten
at say Crown or B. Dalton???  Where do I get it man?!?!?!

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: John K. Speaks: 9/28 L.A. Times Article (long)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 07:50:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep30.144407.2148@bvc.edu> johnsonchris@bvc.edu writes:
>> Executives at Nickelodeon would not comment on this story.  But one
>> animation story editor offered his view of Nickelodeon's decision to can
>> Kricfalusi: "Nickelodeon realized they have one of the hottest shows in
>> the country right now, and a potential merchandizing bonanza if they can
>> get new shows to the public.  And John is sitting on the shows.  That's
>> something he's always done, and it makes him brilliant.  It makes his
>> shows fine art.  But Nickelodeon wants product."
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>  OK, everyone repeat after me.  MONEY GRUBBING SCUM.

OK- repeat after me: PATHETIC WHINING FANBOY.

C'mon. Do you really no want product yourself? Was this very same group not
afire with threats of boycotts and whatnot when Nick kept showing repeats?
Of course Nick wants product- its because >YOU< want product, and Nick ain't
going to make any money showing the same things over and over again.

I think it'll end up for the better with Mr. Camp 'leading' Spumco, as long
as John K. stays on as a, um, 'creative consultant'. Its an executive change,
and not a lot more, I hope.

If its true that John K. will have no more contact with R-n-S, then it really
is a sad day.
r.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
From: ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: No Sir, Nick didn't like it
Followup-To: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:25:09 GMT

This is an interpretation of my favorite R&S episode, "Marooned" which I
think is somewhat relevant to the current R&S situation.

"Marooned" seemed to be Kricfalusi's surreal exploration of the
relationship of Ren and Stimpy with the real world (ours). 

R&S are marooned on this planet and they radio "Star Command" for help. The
only thing they say get is "No Sir, I didn't like it." and "Ah, Christ!"
This is no doubt a reference to Nickalodeon who owns the show. I.E. No
creative input from those suckers, just complaints.

They wander around on the planet, and find many eyeballs. This seems to be
a reference to their lives spent as subjects of voyeurism on television.

There are jokes played here and there, but at the end, the eerie music
plays and there is the freakish ending where a huge brain with a tentacle
captures R&S. The exchange of R&S between the two brains is a metaphor for
R&S being devised by one brain, John K, and being fed to another, us.
Notice the emotionless giver and the angry, needy receiver. R&S are trapped
forever. Sure we see them later in other episodes, but they will always be
marooned in our brains at the same time. Even if the new episodes suck.


--
Eugene "Mos Eisley" Ahn     ahn@suncis.cis.yale.edu
"What did you think of that reply?"
"No sir. I don't like it."
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:21:41 GMT
Organization: St. Swithin's School for the Exceptionally Gifted

In article <Bv76yK.91t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>
>Actually, Fox seems like the most appropriate choice to pick up R&S.  They'd
>probably do it in a minute if they could.
>

Well, Fox won't be able to pick it up until Nickelodeon drops it,
and they'll probably keep it until it dies a slow, painful death.
After that, people will probably be so disgusted with it no
one will want to touch it.

However, Fox might well make a deal with Kricfalusi to do a _new_
show, in the Ren & Stimpy spirit. 

They might even work it out so that the deadlines aren't a problem,
like a series of monthly half-hour specials. 
-- 
Proud to be part of the cultural elite!
What the gamemasters wilt shall be the whole of the law.
	- Motto of the Hellfire Club, live-action roleplaying GM's
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy,alt.fan.ren-and-stimpy
From: brewer@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Steve Brewer)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Organization: W M U Fako de Sciencaj Studoj
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:20:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.185151.28962@news2.cis.umn.edu> 
donnell@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>
>Would this constitute a betrayal by a former partner?

	I can't believe my own PARTNER attacked me...

	Maybe...If I occupy his mind with more duties I can control his...

	SPACE MADNESS!

Sorry -- I couldn't help it. :-)

-- 
Steven 'Fervorulo' Brewer    brewer@cs.wmich.edu * 99brewer@lab.cc.wmich.edu
                  Center for Science Education,  Western Michigan University
La fundamento de nia lingvo devas resti por ^ciam netu^sebla.  L.L. Zamenhof
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From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: oops
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:14:15 GMT

In article <3926@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Bob Campbell) writes:
>Sorry 'bout that, but the newsreader on this NeXT told me posting failed.
>
>

Four, five times!?!?!  Yes, you SHOULD be embarrased!  I damn near appended
all your sigs together to uunecode them to see what you were on about!


Keee-ripes, man!  I'd better go watch a little tv...it'll help me to          
                    
                             R E L A X ! ! ! !


I have a NEW dream, Ren........My dream is that Bob Camp will hire John K.
as creative consultant, and maybe even sneak him in to do some voice work
now and then..................OH PLEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



..........................................................................
From the lair of the Wiley, Speckle-Throated, Burrowing, Five-Toed Yak....
From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: LOG,LOG,LOG
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:28:09 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

scl7375@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

> Does anyone kow the words to the tune log,log,log, everyone loves a log?? if 
> 				Thanx
> 				Liddlem

Read the FAQ, Jack...
 
>>Carlos<<
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From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: R&S: Instruments for a higher cause?
Followup-To: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:46:58 GMT

I bought Film Threat today. Really interesting. I always wanted to know who
was behind the show theme (Der Screamin' Lederhosen! :-). His plans for
"The Ripping Friends" looks interesting. If anyone wants to hear about
these things, mail me!

But the interesting thing Kricfalusi said which (to me) validated my theory
that R&S (not its only purpose, but one secondary function perhaps) was an
attempt to redefine masculinity in favor of homosexual lifestyles was the
following quote...

"Nickalodeon's run by women. Even the men there are women...Spumco is a
manly studio. So you've got a very feminine network and a very masculine
studio. The hardest thing for us to sell are things that men, or even boys,
think are funny. You know, like booger and farts. Everything that boys
really like...and women don't"

If Kric had written this in this newsgroup he probably would have been
flamed naah :-) Probably just some "We're not worthy We're not worthy!"

He also wrote "Homosexuals write me letters. They love the show. They're
always asking me, 'Are Ren and Stimpy gay? My lover and I just identify
with their trials and tribulations.'"

His answer to the question was "I like to keep them guessing."

I don't know about others, but there definitely seems to be some homosexual
undertones to the show. I believe when Kric expresses his amazement that
teens-to-adults watch the show too he is simply refusing to talk about the
show on an "adult" "rationalizing" language.

Or maybe he just thinks we're all eeeediots! 

Well, I'd like to hear feedback. Remember, it's just a theory.

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:43:31 GMT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <1992Sep26.190645.2359@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson) writes:
> In article <Bv29qn.EK0@acsu.buffalo.edu> gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig) writes:
>>aww come on, Nickelodeon couldn't be that stupid, could they?
>>
>>It's a joke, right?
>>
>>Please, oh please, it was a joke?
>>
>>Gerson
> 
> If it is true, don't worry, R&S will be picked up in a second by another
> cable or network, like Fox or moved to MTV or picked up by TBS.

Someone said awhile back that John K. created a family of related characters. 
Does Nick own all of these or can John K. use some of them in a new series?
And can we hold out for new R&S shows?  No, if they are good.  Yes, if they are
screwed up.

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From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:09:35 GMT

whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:

> In article <g68n74h.eamon@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
> writes:
> >from DAILY VARIETY, Wednesday, September 23, 1992
> >
> >_NICK NIXES KRICFALUSI_
> >
> >The Nickelodeon children's cable network has taken "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
> >away from its creator/producer/director John Kricfalusi, reportedly for
> >exceeding budgets, not meeting deadlines and producing shows the network
> >found too offensive for airing.
> >

I Hope that this is somekind of joke... No John K, no Spumco,
definitely no REN & STIMPY!!!!!!
 
Lets organize a revolt... F*ck Nickelodeon, F*ck MTV Networks,
We want our REN & STIMPY and we want it now!!!!
 
>>Carlos<<
 
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Subject: Powdered Toast Man (was Re: 9/19 episodes)
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:01:14 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <BB8gRB3w165w@mcws.fidonet.org>, bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess) writes:
> ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
> 
>> We don't know quite yet if Nick has decided to ban PTM from Nick.  Hopefully,
>> they won't and play it again soooon!
> 
> I may have missed something, but, why would they ban him?
> 

I don't know why, but Nick has yet to replay this classic even though they've
played its match "In The Army" three or four times.

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From: petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Julie Petersen)
Subject: Film Threat
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:22:20 GMT

I'm a grad student (remember the comedy survey?) writing an article on Ren &
Stimpy. I am in desperate need of the article on R&S in Film Threat, but am
unable to locate the magazine in my area. If you have a copy, could you find
out the phone number and/or address of the publishing company -- NOT the
subscription or ad sales #s -- this is usually located at the bottom of the
masthead near the front. If you happen to find this -- please Email it to me
TODAY!! I'm on an incredibly short deadline. You can (r)eply to me at this
address or email me at jp@darkstar.com -- THANKS.

Julie Petersen
From: eric@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: don't threaten sponsors! ... NOT!
Date: 27 Sep 1992 08:05:21 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
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In article <1a3fq0INNpok@gap.caltech.edu> elainel@cco.caltech.edu (Elaine E. Lindelef) writes:
>Whatever you do, please do not write the sponsors of Ren & Stimpy to complain
>about John K's dismissal! By sponsoring the show, they have brought
>a wonderfully bizarre show into our homes. They have nothing to do with
>Nickelodeon's actions, and indeed have not had a chance to respond even if

Of course they do!  They pay Nick to broadcast!  I am sure that sponsors 
have a lot of say in what goes on...  If we can get them on our side by
targeting them, so much the better.

>they wanted to.

I disagree.  I think hitting the sponsors is the best way to go.  The sponsors
are NOT sponsoring just Ren and Stimpy.  If you notice,  commercials that 
appear on Ren & Stimpy also appear on many other Nick programs.  

>
>If the sponsors feel threatened, they will withdraw support for Ren & Stimpy
>no matter what Nick does, because they will feel exposed and threatened.

I can't imagine any other Snick program being more popular than R&S.  I don't
think sponsors will pull out just because people are boycotting their 
products, if we give them a simple way out (i.e., putting John K. & staff
back to work).

>Ford doesn't (I think) buy time on R&S. Are you going to threaten to boycott
>them? If you attack the sponsors, they will avoid R&S and other shows like
>it, leaving TV a bland mass of nonthreatening material.
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think we can make it quite clear that we DON'T hate Nick for showing a
new and possible offensive show, just for screwing around with the way
it is being done too much!

If I wrote the sponsors saying "I saw you 
sponsoring R&S, and I think the show is really nasty, so I am not going
to buy your product" it would scare them away.  

If I write "I really love watching R&S, but now Nick is going to screw up
my favorite show, and since you advertise on Nick, I won't buy your products."
it tells the company that their advertising is reaching a real captive 
audience who cares about what they watch.  If this audience is unhappy, it
is bad for sales, so the company might exert pressure on Nick to fix the
situation.

Have you thought about the future ? A new R&S every week, each one not even
coming close to the quality we know and love ? If anything, I would prefer
R&S to die on Nick altogether, so that some other (less censoring & 
demanding) network would buy the rights and have it flourish there.

>
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:56:19 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I realize John K. is God to all of us (me included), but...

Hmmm...

The Church of John K.

Well, sir, I could like it, if I wuzzint already a due-paying peon in the
Church of KaTe & Cthulhu -- Elder Gods and Odder Music combining to rule
the world with dholes and didgeridoos.

We'll drop in John K. as an Archangel.
:-)
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: roseba@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Update me on John K.
Date: 6 Oct 1992 04:03:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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Keywords: Update John K.

Ren & Stimpiots,
	My news server's been down for about three days and my newsgroups  
have been cleared. What's the word on John K. and Spumco?
	And has anyone out there got any Ren&Stimpy gifs or jpg's they  
could post. The last time I posted this request, I got mail from other  
people wanting the pics once I got them. Please post any you've got.
					Thanks
					 Gooch
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From: cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Klif Marsiglio)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Summary: Bob sucks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:01:06 GMT

I don't know bout any of you, but if Bob Camp gets his hands on R & S I'll
never watch another episode again -- I might have even gave at least a look to
the new show just to see how bad the bastardized it.

I don't know how many times me and my friends have gathered to watch just to see
something like WRITTEN BY BOB CAMP and just knew the show was going to be trash
and shutting off the TV with one exception -- he did give us the hangin song
which had to be the musical highlight of the new season (Like there was another
song :) although the rest of the show was (IMHO) shit.

Bob Camp is just another fucking network goon with little or no creativity and
his tongue up someones ass--Everyone fired EXCEPT HIM :)

In all his time with r&s he did nothing more than contribute to the volume of
the show and detract to the quality and now all the shows will be like this.

Klif