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From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Baby pulling other baby's hair
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.145216.25925@sol.asl.hitachi.com>, jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce) writes:
> My 7 1/2 month old baby, Jimmy, is at family day care during the day with one
> other baby, Kyle, who is one week older than him.  Jimmy has just started crawling,
> and Kyle hasn't.  Jimmy has this annoying habit of crawling over to Kyle
> and pulling poor Kyle's hair.  Kyle, who can't yet crawl, can't escape.  

I have noticed that this seems to happen when there are multiple kids
together about the same age.  Alison is in a day care center.  She is 7
months and there are a number of kids that are about 11 months in the
infant room.  One boy is over 1 year, and one girl is about 4 months.
There are a total of 7 kids there 4 days a week and 6 on the 5th day.

Anyway,  Over the 4 months Alison has been there, I've seen various kids
pull, crawl over (literally), or knock down various other kids.  I was there
when one 11 month old girl came over to Alison and pulled her hair (the
teacher quickly spoke to the girl and tried to distract her).
Interestingly enough, Alison really wasn't that bothered by it.  It hurt,
yes, but soon after she continued to play with another toy.  

I think it would matter to her if I made a big deal out of it (it did make
me want to run over and remove Amber from Alison, but Alison is a big girl
for 7 months and really should be able to handle small issues like this --
and seemed to be able to).   She didn't get any such clues from me and
therefore just treated it as normal life there at daycare.  (It really
doesn't happen very often -- mostly when the care givers are distracted
because I'm talking with them or a number of parents are there).

I guess all I'm trying to say is that this will happen with kids and for
the most part has nothing to do with being a bully.  It is sort-of more
like testing out power in a group, pushing limits or seeing reactions if
the child does x.  As long as the caregiver reprimands relatively quickly
and gently (but effectively), I wouldn't worry.  I suspect in another month
or so, Alison will be doing this with Tyler, Katie or Tess (or even Amber
possibly - payback time!).

	Karen
From: RABINOWITZ@VAX5.BEAR.COM (Ari)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for TOMY trains:  FOUND
Summary: Thanks for the addresses, I sent in the order this morning
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:26:29 GMT
Organization: BEAR STEARNS & CO.
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi,

A few weeks ago I posted that I was looking for more parts for a
train set made by a company called TOMY which we got a few years ago.

Thanks to many people (I hope I responded to all of you, if not Thank
you) I got an address of TOMY America Inc in New Jersey.  Calling
information for that part of New Jersey got us a phone number, which
gave us an 800 number for their service center who sent us an order
form.  If anyone is interested the address is:

TOMY America Inc.
Service Center
2350 Pleasant Ave
Hamilton, OH 45015

I just sent in the order today, so I don't know how fast the service
will be.  I doubt if it will come before the holidays :-(.

Unfortunately my wife didn't save the 800 number so I can't post that.

Thanks again to everyone who responded.  I got responses from Australia,
the UK, and various parts of the US.

Ari

Ari Rabinowitz                  rabinowitz@bear.com for VMS and personal mail
WorkStation Administrator	ari@bear.com for sun/HP Un*x mail
Bear Stearns
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: obscene phone calls they make (7 months)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.204306.18858@intellistor.com> grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:
>>Our oldest son, now nine, then 7 called 911 ONCE and has never done it again!
>>The night before we had watched Rescue 911 on TV and so that gave him the idea.
>>He called 911 and said:
>
>>"My mom's head is stuck in the dryer!"
>
>>Then he hung up!
>
>>The police came, and an ambulance, and a fire truck, OH BOY!
>
>>My next door neighbors had a better one though - their oldest son (now nine, the
>>then six) called 911 and told them that his mother was bleeding and having a
>>heart attack.  Then he told them his name was another kid that they go to
>>school with and that his address was another kid they go to school with - 
>>luckily 911 has computers and they were able to determine that it was a kid
>>playing around.
>
>>Two years later (1992) my youngest son, five calls 911 and says:  My dad fell
>>off the roof - well they came out again only to find my husband on the roof
>>fixing the chimney (seems Fredrick went inside the house while he was up
>>there and made the call).
>
>>Luckily our town doesn't charge for bogus 911 calls!
>
>What bothers me, though, is that many people don't seem to recognize the
>gravity of these calls.  Each time someone calls 911, the emergency
>service system has to spend time and resources to check it out.  This is
>most emphatically NOT cute.
>It's understandable that kids get into accidental trouble playing with the
>phone,  but people should realize the gravity and potential consequences 
>of it and instruct their children accordingly.  The phone isn't a toy.
>I, for one, resent getting prank calls from some child who thinks the
>phone is a toy, or, worse yet,
>having to wait for 911 assistance because some kid has the resources all
>tied up.

>It's possible that the folks posting these cute stories DO recognize the
>consequences and HAVE taught their children not to play with the phone,
>in which case I'm over-reacting.  Could be.  If so, please accept my
>apologies.

I think you are over-reacting.  Most of these posts have been followed
with, "And that's the LAST time we ever let the kid near the phone."

Kathie

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Orajel
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:40:46 GMT

In article <4991@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
>In article <Bz46u0.Azx@unx.sas.com>, sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
>|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
>|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
>|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
>|> have a scotch!
>
>It used to be commonly thought that a using alcohol to quite a cranky
>child was a good thing.  Recent studies on alcoholism have shown that
>exposure to alcohol at an early age can "trigger" a tendency toward
>alcoholism in those people predisposed to it.  This, from the AA (a
>friend, actually).
>
>How do I know?  I once gave Patrick about 1 teaspoon of Chevis in his
>morning bottle since he decided that morning was 4am (and we both had
>the flu).  When I shared this with an alcoholic associate, they shared
>this tidbit with me.
>
I think we are talking about 2 different things. The idea of using alcohol
while teething means putting a small drop on the gums to numb it, not to
zonk them out!

Most of the Pediatricians where my mom  (she is a nurse Practitioner) used to 
work favored alcohol over orajel (and that type of thing), but rarely mentioned
it to their patients, because of the negative image of alcohol. Of course, as
several posters have pointed out, they dont think alcohol (even as much as a
drop) can be good for babies. That may or may not be true, but do people really
think that oragel isnt also full of things that may not be good for a young 
child? The Doctors my mom worked with felt that alcohol was less toxic then
the anesthetic in oragel. 

I occasionally used vanilla extract on Jeffreys gums. It would help for a
short period of time, enough to get him distracted. But, I think most of the
pain he felt was not that local. I think his entire jaw ached. For that I 
would give Tylenol, but tried to use it sparingly. It too has side effects.
None of these solutions are without their costs.

Laura Floom


>We use only Oragel and Tylenol with Rebecca when she is teething (although
>we could really use the Chevis with her :^).
>
>I would also think that the side effects of Tylenol and Oragel would be
>much smaller than with alcohol.
>
>Does anyone else know of similar studies?
>
>Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)
>
>"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
>(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
>"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: slow talker
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:24:36 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1992Dec15.203541.196@Princeton.EDU>, Lisa S. Lewis
<lisas@pucc.princeton.edu> writes:
> Anyway, please trust me that a child who is over three and not talking
> has a developmental disability of some sort, in all probability.  Early
> intervention is critical.  A child who is using his own hand signals to
> communicate wants desperately to do so...I hope they will help him to
> find a better way to communicate.  It is possible that he has a problem
> with integrating sensory input, or that it is primarily a motor problem
> (whereby the mouth can't form the words that the brain wants to.) 

     While I'm not saying you're wrong in this case, you're wrong in
general.  I have one uncle who did not talk at all until he was 4.  He
had no actual problems.  He simply did not begin talking until then.

     Yes, I know it's only anecdotal evidence.  And the first sentence
of the above quote does say "in all probability."  But statements like
that can lead to overreacting.
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:03:45 GMT
	<1992Dec17.201505.16022@nynexst.com> <1992Dec18.192808.23092@adobe.com>
	<1992Dec19.032139.8444@dsd.es.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

The problem is not with Clare's whining.

It is that Clare doesn't seem to want to handle the feedback she gets
- for example, in the case of her son being force fed by his
grandparents every day, she seens to have wanted an easy fix, she
wanted someone to tell her how to undo the damage to her son's feeding
habits that was being done during the week on the weekend. From her
posts, it's clear that she is a very perceptive person, and she often
KNOWS what is going on, and I bet she knows what she should really do
about it, too. But, IMHO, she doesn't want to put her foot down and
confront the grandparents or her husband about the issues - she wants
someone to find her a magic way of handling it 'on the weekends'.

I don't think anyone said the grandparents were evil people who didn't
care about the kid - they said that force feeding the kid is abusive.
Or that her husband is evil incarnate -- but when she responds that he
won't find time for the child and will probably dump the child and
grandparents, she wonders when people question his relationship with
the child. Even with his hours, I think it would be important for him
to find some extra time for the child *somehow* while mom was going to
be away. There is *always* a way, if you're willing to search for it.
People weren't saying that the nurse was a horrible person, just that
she had no business drawing blood!

Clare, when you ask people's opinions, you're going to get a wide
range of them. And sometimes the fact that a person is a nice person
just doesn't mean squat. If they are doing something harmful, they are
doing something harmful, and that harm should be stopped. Well meaning
nice people sometimes decide to do the 'wrong' thing, even parents.
And sometimes the kindest thing to do is to be brutally honest with
people, even though it causes an uncomfortable moment or two.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject:  Santa Cruz FAQ (or places to live, USA)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:55:03 GMT



  Hi readers!  Thanks to the overwhelming reply for my
  request of information about Santa Cruz, I have edited
  and taken out all the names out and compiled a summary
  of Santa Cruz.  (If you want me to put your name back,
  please tell me).  If anyone else is interested in
  Santa Cruz, please e-mail me, and I'll send you the
  summary!

  Take It Easy,
  Clare

  clare@nynexst.com
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street having "sassy" kids.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:14:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

>morning or from an afternoon nap, if you tell him "Barney's on", he'll 
>bound out of bed to see it; SS does not get this response.  For those 
>parents who haven't seen it, Barney is a half hour show that has 2 sets;
>the indoor and outdoor of a school.  They don't leap from skit to skit, etc.
>Yet it holds his enthralled attention easily.  I don't doubt that there are
>some harmful affects from watching too much TV, or certain shows; but I
>just don't see a loss of attention span in my son, who watches SS almost
>daily.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------
>From Neal Smith (nsmith@sassy.micro.ti.com) [No, I'M not sassy, nor am I
>an expert on "sassy", although if I'm an expert on some things, I guess 
>right now I'm an expert "on" sassy, well now I'm just confused.]
>Dad to Allen (allne if he spells it), born 1/10/90

My son likes Barney too - what gets his attention is the children
singing.  He isn't really interested in SS, but there are a lot
of adult voices and maybe he can tell the difference? (He's only 7
months, so who knows)  The other kids at his daycare (1 - 3 YO)
LOVE Barney, and come running and screaming to the TV when they
hear the opening music.  

Valerie
From: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Xmas gift ideas needed for "adopted" family
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

My husband and I are "adopting" a family for Christmas this year and I need
some gift ideas for the children.  All I know about them are the following:
there are three males ages 18, 14, and 10 and one female aged 9.  I don't
know ther sizes, hobbies, interests, or what they have in their home
(i.e. I don't want to buy a CD or video as then I am assuming they have a
CD player or VCR).

If anyone has any children these ages and could give me some helpful hints
in the $10-$15 price range I'd appreciate it.  As I don't know if they'll
be getting other gifts or not, I'd really like to make it something special.

By the way, we will also be preparing a food basket for a holiday dinner to
the family so food suggestions would be redundant.

Thanks,
  Valerie Noronha
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nursing Problem: update
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:29:32 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

I want to thank everyone for their replies and support.  I've read and
saved them all, but haven't been able to reply to them all--on top of
everything else, it's finals time.

But, I wanted to let people know how it's going.  We're still having a
few ups and downs, but there seem to be more ups than downs now.

Jordan nurses well when sleepy.  If he starts to get upset, I've found
he can be convinced to nurse if I don't let him get too upset: I've
learned to stop right away, put some Orajel on his new tooth area, give
him his pacifier, and rock him for a while.  About 10 minutes later, he
seems to be willing to nurse.   I also found that when he's asleep, he
will nurse if put to the breast, and this worked well the night he
refused to nurse and went to bed without eating.

I'm very grateful to those people who suggesting putting Orajel on
before trying to nurse, or giving a dose of Tylenol 15 minutes or so
before trying to nurse.  I noticed an hour or so after my post for help
that Jordan has a tooth emerging--I felt it when he chewed on my
finger, and I'm assuming that's the cause of his complaint.

I intend (probably after the first of the year), to write up a
summary and compile representative replies I received into a new FAQ:
Nursing Strikes.  If you'd rather I didn't include your message, please
let me know.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children's own language
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

A.J.Robinson writes:

> Have any of you parents who are couples (trying to be PC as he says it,
> please excuse me if I offend anyone) noticed a tendency for YOU to develop
> your own language ?

My husband and I (not parents actually, but a couple) use Greek on a
few set occasions (telling time, talking to cats), and we have a few
of our own words, but I wouldn't say we have a very extensive language
of our own.  I also remember my family had some of its own words when
I was a child (such as "car eyes" for headlights).  But the most
extensive private language I ever had was the one I developed with
my sister.  It was called Shaiaumi, and was very explicitly developed.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: kuenning@mahler.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Where is Judy Leedom Tyrer?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:49:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler

In article <1gqe5pINN6t4@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:

> Where is she? Does anyone work in her company, who can check on this? 
> Could she be on an extended vacation, or has she lost her net access 
> for one reason or another? Mail sent to her address--"judy@locus.com"--

Um, first, it's Judy Leerom Tyrer...
			^

I'm no longer at Locus, but a bunch of us had lunch with Judy about a
month ago.  I haven't heard about any Locus layoffs since then.  The
correct domain address for her is "judy@la.locus.com", so you might
want to try that to see if you get a better response.

If you don't get any better answers, post again in about three weeks
(when I get back from my honeymoon) and I'll extend the search a bit
further.
--
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@itcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject:  Exercising While Pregnant
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:19:02 GMT



  I'm curious how much exercise is good.  I'm 5-1/2 months
  pregnant and used to do 30 minutes on the StairMaster
  every other day.  About a month back, I started walking
  the treadmill, since my uterus would get tight when I
  used the StairMaster.  Now, even walking the treadmill
  would cause me to tighten up, and get sore on the
  lower side of my uterus.  I've heard of people jogging
  until their delivery, but I was wondering if others
  have the same symptoms I have.  I supposed I could ride
  the exercise bicycle...

  Any experiences, comments, thoughts???

  Thanks, Clare
  clare@nynexst.com
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: eating in labour
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:37:22 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Dec9.144054.13818@news.media.mit.edu> stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.133347.4465@spider.co.uk> alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
>>In the group allowed to eat, labour was reduced by an average of 1.5
>>hours, less syntocinon (contraction stimulant) was used, and the women
>>tended to ask for pethidine (painkiller) much later on in labour.

>This doesn't surprise me in the least!  I, for one, would love to see
>women allowed to eat while in labor.  I get into terrrible moods if I
>don't eat regularly, and after 32 hours of labor with nothing to eat
>I was really drained of energy!  Not being allowed to eat really adds
>to the difficulty of labor IMHO!

Allowing (actually, encouraging) the mother to eat during labor is part
of the Bradley method.  It does indeed keep both mother's and baby's
energy up.  Some doctors believe that the exhaustion brought on by
starving the mother may play a part in the high section rate one finds
in so many hospitals.  It's actually part of an even bigger problem -
it seems that malnutrition among hospital patients is more common than
you'd think.  Not because of the awful food, but because many doctors
have patients on orders not to eat because of various surgical or test
procedures which eating would interfere with.  They may not  notice that
the poor patient hasn't had food in two (or more) days!

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Violence.  Does type matter?
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:30:17 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <d4n2hpd@rpi.edu> nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:
...
>
>Movies (stories) like Willow, the Princess Bride, etc., "swords and
>sorcery" stories, tend to feature sword fighting, wrestling, fist
>fights and other forms of (often archaic) hand-to-hand,
>don't-fire-til-you-see-the-whites-of-their-eyes violence.  As an
>adult, this SEEMS very different from the anonymous,
>shoot-up-everything violence in Terminator, Die Hard, etc.  There is
>something ALMOST endearing in "You killed my father, prepare to die."
>(Indigo Montoya(sp?) in the Princess Bride).  My quandry is, Is there
>a difference to my 2yo?  

Allow me to rephrase the question slightly:

How long does it take for a person to distinguish (possibly in a
socially acceptable way) between force and violence.

I would have to say it varies quite a bit.  Judging by this
newsgroup, in some cases it takes thiry or forty years.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
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