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From: web@press.Corp.Sun.COM (Kathy Webster)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Ride and Tie World Championship
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: web@press.Corp.Sun.COM (Kathy Webster)
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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Hi Everyone,

I just finished my first World Championship Ride and Tie (previously
known as the Levi Ride and Tie). It was a 40 mile course through
the Santa Cruz mountains in California. There were people from all
over the states there. There were a few long distance runners that
had been in the 1988 Olympics and several runners who had done the
Western States 100 (a 100 mile run from Squaw Valley to Auburn).
Several of the horses there were top notch endurance horses. There
were 96 teams (192 people and 96 horses). For those of you who
don't know what a Ride and Tie is (or as I sometimes call them, Ride
and Die), I'll explain. It is a type of endurance race where you have
a team that consists of two people and one horse. One person starts
on the horse and rides ahead of the runner and finds a tree to
tie the horse to and then starts running. When the other runner
reaches the horse, (hopefully, they won't run past the horse. I've
seen this happen.) gets on, and rides and either rides ahead
of their partner and ties the horse to a tree or hands the horse
off to the partner as they reach each other. Anyway, it is kind
of a leap frog type of deal. The rest of the race is very similar
to an endurance ride. There are vet checks where your horse has
to meet a certain p & r criteria and a vet thoroughly checks the
horse out for various things such as hydration, metabolic status,
soundness, ect. The horse my friend and I did it on is her horse, Taj.
He is a 17 year old Arabian who was previously used for endurance
rides by the previous owner. He vetted out beautifully at every
vet check (there were three). 

This race does not have very many woman-woman teams. There are mostly
man-man teams or man-woman teams. We finished in 6 hours and 36 minutes
and were very happy to see the finish line. The last team came in at 8
hours and 45 minutes. It is a grueling sport, but for some reason I
keep doing it. However, I did get a very nice belt buckle for
finishing. ;^)

Does anyone else on the net do ride and ties? Or is interested in doing
one?

Kathy
Gary
Rocket (Qtr.horse 16yrs)
AJ (Arabian 6 yrs)
Nanook (Alaskan Malmute and Kathy's running partner)
Alan (friendly cat)
Climber (Alan's shy brother)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Subject: EVA Virus (Embargos)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:54:44 GMT

I just had another call, so here are the states that have put Embargos on, NOT
ALLOWING any horses from the New England states in.
Kentucky
Maryland
Delaware
West Virginia
and Virginia
thanks

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Cory_Finn@qmgate.arc.nasa.gov (Cory Finn)
Subject: Re: Names, again!
Organization: NASA - Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:20:37 GMT

In article <SUSAN.92Jul29161736@wimpie.noaapmel.gov>, susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott) writes:
> 
> 
> Since so many other people had good luck with the name game here, I told
> my friend I'd give it a try.
> 
> She has been given a filly (about 1 year old, though no one is sure - it's
> a rescue animal), who is *probably* a Quarter Horse mix.  There were no 
> records found, and the previous 'owner' has no idea.
> 
> She is carmel colored, with two white socks on the hindlegs. Her mane and 
> tail are a light carmel, with some dark brown streaks in the tail - which
> looks like it's going to be a beautiful tail, when she's healthy again. 
> She has a crooked blaze - it starts at the right side of her face, and
> ends up coloring the left nostril.  Her forelock is very long, and she has
> a habit of tossing it up behind her ears - which makes her look really
> silly!
> 
> She was starving, had thrush, hadn't had her hooves *looked* at since birth,
> she has multiple cuts that are still healing, and one of her wounds on her 
> shoulder looks like a chevron, and all of her tail had been rubbed off down
> to the skin.  She hadn't been outside her stall for about 4 months. 
> 
> I helped unload her from the trailer, at her new home.  She was friendly,
> inquisitive, and didn't try to nip or kick the vet at all, through all the 
> pain she gave the poor dear during stitching and shots and cleanings.
> 
> She likes to rest her head on your shoulder when you come in the stall late
> at night.  Her favorite thing to eat?  French Fries.  She'll ignore Sweetena
> in order to get fries - even apples don't lure her from those fries. She
> lets the barn cats sleep in her stall, and she even likes to have them jump
> on her back and run up her neck, and sit on her head!  What a sight that
> is!  She has never been ridden, or even trained for anything other than
> being caught and haltered.  Yet she treated the farrier's visit like it
> was old stuff. 
> 
> We've thought of "Sunny", since she had such a sunny disposition through all
> her troubles, but it seems too ... 'cheesy' a name. :)  
> 
> Any suggestions are welcomed!
> 
> 
How about Carmel or Candy since she's so sweet and gentle

Or maybe the name of a candy or candy bar (like Snickers, M&M, Twix,
Carmello, Butterscotch, Sweet Tart, Fudge, etc.)

Other Ideas: Dulcinea, Tater Tot, Sweet Pea, Blossom, Rose Bud or Rosy

That's all I can think of right now. Hope it helps,

Cory Finn
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
	<1992Jul14.135609.1757@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>
	<1992Jul15.053515.8330@nmsu.edu>
	<1992Jul17.160853.4831@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
From: Peter Miller <pmiller@topaz.bmr.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:44:15 GMT
Organization: Bureau of Mineral Resources
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

kcarver@nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver) writes:
> ...  All I object to is someone
> dictating to me that I *must* wear a helmet, and that I may *not* wear
> a western hat.  ...
Here in Australia skin cancer is a real problem.
There is a good reason for wanting a broard brimmed hat,
but given a choice between a banged-up head and facial skin cancers,
I wear a helmet, despite quite large peer preasure not to.
I just wish the *^%$#$% manufacturers would come out with a broard brimmed
crash helmet.

Sounds weird, doesn't it?
But I am serious, something which could be simply attached and
detached (for judged events or washing) and soft so that it wouldn't
injure you (more :-) in a fall.

Peter Miller	UUCP	uunet!munnari!bmr.gov.au!pmiller
/\/\*		CSNET	pmiller@bmr.gov.au
Disclaimer:  The views expressed here are personal and do not necessarily
	reflect the view of my employer or the views or my colleagues.
From: clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM (Clare Fleig Garry)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re :Experienced?  Maybe.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:24:44 GMT
Reply-To: clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: bestbet

I have to agree with both Christine and Jennifer.  Alot of people (including
me for many years) think they are experienced because they have ridden alot
of seasoned, sensible horses at riding clubs and lessons.  Most of the
time these horses will compensate for your minuses -- be it hands, seat,
whatever -- and go along. 

That's a completely different level of experience from being able to ride
and handle a green or dififcult horse, and not just stay on, but work with 
and improve the horse/rider combo. I really can speak from "experience" now 
that I am training my very first green horse.  Boy am I learning -- and I've
been riding for 20 years.

Clare 

In article 22167@natinst.com, jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.144346.18029@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills) writes:
>>
>>Beware the person who claims to be experienced because they've been
>>riding for X number of years.  Riding is rather like getting a PHd.
>>It isn't how long you've spent on the research, but do you know what
>>to do with the knowledge once you've got it.
>>
>>Christine Mills
>
>Amen!  I used to belong to a club that would take individuals/parties
>out for trail rides.  They could be some interesting rides.  We had
>a lot of scenery and a few _Man from Snowy River_ type hills.  There
>was *always* someone who said they could ride and couldn't.  The worst
>one was for one of the frat parties.  There were enough kids that
>we had to break out some of the 'needs a good rider' horses.  Actually,
>only one, Naches.  Anyway, we asked the group who was one of the
>more experienced riders.  This one girl steps forward and says how
>she's worked/riden at a ranch for the last xxx years and she's good.
>From the minute she was on Naches we knew otherwise.  Naches wasn't
>a hard horse to control, but did have a lot of energy.  The second
>Naches even tried to walk, the girl became paranoid.  (Didn't say
>anything, but body language was obvious!).  The first hill we
>came to was one that the horses generally had to run up.  We stopped
>at the bottom and gave them all instruction, lean forward, grab mane,
>give the horse room to move its head, etc.  Well, this girl came up
>right behind me, i turn around to see how she's doing and this
>"experienced" rider yanks back on the reins half way up the hill.
>I could just see poor Naches being flipped over....  We were lucky,
>nothing really happened (except I chewed the "experienced" rider out),
>but we could have had a serious injury to the horse.  I suppose to
>the girl too, but I would've been more worried about the horse :-) !
>
>-jennifer dietz
>jdietz@natinst.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Reply-To: brett@brett.intel.com (Brett Branch)
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.183125.89534@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>,
 china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> I agree with the comments of others that you should let your horse mature
> for another year or two.
>	[lots of info that I was looking for deleted]
>	[mention of UNTITLED books deleted]

I was not asking for a flame war about the maturity of horses. Just like 
children go school, the sooner a horse is worked with the sooner he learns.
And the better. I am not looking to take this 2 year-old out on trail rides,
but rather teach him the basics in a small paddock. I am not over working
him, I am trianing him for 1 to 1 and 1/2 hours at a time three or four times
a week. I never had the opportunity to watch someone ground rein a horse in 
training. China was kind enough to explain the proccess and then mentioned
that there were books to help. CHINA, COULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE NAMES
AND/OR AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS? Does anyone know of any videos on the subject?

Before I started working with the horse he was nippy and sneaky. Now that he
understands that we can have a working relationship, he is a doll to work
with and be around. Anyone who says you should not train a horse until they are
3 to 5 years old is crazy. Horses need something to do and learn or they will
get bored and hard to work with. Like I said, I've been around horses all
my life, I know how they grow and mature. I just want some ideas on how
to teach
this colt the right things.

	Brett

P.S. Thanks to China and the other people who were helpful. I appreciate it.
I also appreciate the concern the rest of you have shown, its nice to see that
you all care and are worried about people abusing horses. Rest assured it 
doesn't happen here.

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From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:21:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Stifle Problem, please help!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I would recommend that you get a definitive diagnosis from a vet before 
making guesses and trying to treat the guesses. Since your posting is from
Colorado State University you are in luck. Take your horse to the vet
school large animal clinic (CSU in viewed as one of the top Vet schools) and
have a lameness workup centered on the stiffles. They will probably have
to try to induce the lameness and then probably xray the stifles (stifle
xrays cost $150 here in california if you don't have sedate the animal). 
Ultrasound may also have to be done. Then with that info they can tell you
what needs to be done. The horse could have a number of conditions such as
arthritis, Osteochrodrosis (OCD), ligament/tendon weakness,etc,  many of which
can be worsened by putting the horse in work without a clear diagnosis.

If you horse needs surgery again you are in luck because the top equine
orthopedic surgeon in the world for stifles is at CSU. His name is 
Dr. C. Wayne McIlwraith. Horses are shipped to him from all over the US. 

Good luck and may the problem be a simple one.


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Re: Equine Viral Arteritis - quarantine in New England, corrected
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:06:46 GMT


My last article posted incompletely, and lost the attribution of the
information I provided.

THE CRUCIAL MISSING PARAGRAPH ...
-> I just spoke to the Large Animal Clinic at Tufts and they gave me the
-> following facts:
> 
> - One's best source of information about whether or not one can take a
>   horse into or through a given state is the State Vet's office for
>   that state. 
> 
> - The phone number for the Mass. State Vet's office is 617-727-3015, x157.
> 
> - In spite of newspaper reports, it has not yet been confirmed that
>   the disease is EVA.  They are still waiting for results.
> 
> - The disease, in Massachusetts, seems to be mostly at Foxboro.
> 
> - There is a vaccine for EVA, but it's not in the group that one's
>   horse "normally" is given.

--------------------------------------------------

Additional information from Sue Stillman, DVM:  The outbreak in NH has
been proven to be EVA, and EVA is -not- a serious disease.  The articles
in the newspapers are the result of (1) upset racing folks who believe
they stand to lose a lot of money if they can't move or race their
horses and (2) newspaper reporters who make the story more interesting
by confounding EVA with EIA or EEE.

-- 
            >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<
                  "             ?" said Tom, blankly.
(Quotation changed daily.  If you've seen this one before, it's still yesterday.)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman)
Subject: Re: Treatment for Navicular Decease ??
Cc: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:28:00 +0000

intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
 
> I posted what the Merck Veterinary Manual said on the subject a
> few weeks ago, but don't have the post anymore. Maybe someone saved it
> and can mail it to you ?

I have mailed the post - indeed I have a fair amount of the words of
wisdom of this group archived here (at home).
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: PHF - Untold Story
From: <KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 15:34:10 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Fly and insect season is upon us.  Do not question if you need to
innoculate your horses for Potomac Horse Fever....it's worth it.
 
Don't wait until you have to try to save a horse that gets it....
don't think your horse can't get it.  My horses don't go anywhere,
we are not in a highly populated horse area.  You don't have to be
in a river valley.
 
Some advice from one who's been there.  Love your horse and yourself
enough to add it to your innoculation program.  End of lecture......
 
Kathie Robinson
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder ~)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Gate design: horses through, NOT motorcycles.
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: jsnyder@cadev5.UUCP (Sallijan Snyder ~)
Organization: Microprocessor Component Group, Intel Corp., Santa Clara, CA


Hi Gordon,

I have personal experience with such a gate as you wish.  A local
park fixed up one of the roadside trail entrances with a set of
log sections (about 15-18" in diameter) spaced just far enough
apart for horses and ponies to step over, but high and wide
enough (I think they used 3-4 logs) to prevent anyone other than
Arnold Schwarzenegger from lifting a motorcycle over 'em.
These log sections were also sided by fencing, making a little
alley (about 4' long, I think--it's been awhile since I rode in
that park).

I'll try to draw it...

	========================== (fence parallel to trail)
	 |xx|   |xx|   |xx|   |xx|
         |xx|   |xx|   |xx|   |xx| log sections across trail
	========================== (fence parallel to trail)

Yuck, ASCII art!  Hope this comes through.  Good trail horses
ought to be able to handle this without any problem, though
some might be tempted to try to hop through (NOT recommended!).

-Sallijan


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From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Subject: Re: Olympic cross-country
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.194546.22720@sequent.com> pattyh@sequent.com (Patty Hansen) writes:
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>I saw the broadcast coverage of the cross-country portion of the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>three-day event last night.  Unfortunately, all the networks seems

Could someone tell me when this was? I taped the broadcast coverage from
7:30 to midnight, and I watched most of it from about 9:30-midnight and
didn't see it. If it's somewhere on the tape, I don't want to tape over
it until I watch it (although, from the rest of the post, it doesn't 
sound like it is much worth watching).

Thanks,

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    
Software Engineering Institute                  
Carnegie-Mellon University                      
Pittsburgh PA
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:45:20 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Having just re-read the original post I realized my last post didn't
answer the query about stopping the horse from being bewildered when
nobody is standing in the centre. I think this problem will disappear
when the horse knows to move forward in response to the legs, and
change direction in response to the reins. Your horse was apparently
taking cues from your wife, but not from you on its back. I think you
probably need to teach it forward and directional movement from the
long rein, and then your problem should go away. There are lots of
books on the technique of long reining. However, I would suggest that
you teach your horse to move forward on voice command when working on
the long rein. You'll need to teach this with a tap of the whip at first, 
then move to voice and whip together, then voice only. I think the benefit
of this is that when you first get on the horse and want it to go forward
you can forget about the a tap of the whip and use you voice and legs. This
keeps your hands free if the horse decides to play silly-buggers with you.
Therefore, you can teach leg aids by combining them with voice commands.
Anyway, it works for me, so I thought I'd suggest it.

Ross
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: yawning ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:21:50 GMT
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: mdresser@pbs.org's message of 23 Jul 92 18:10:39 GMT


mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
] I just read something in a magazine ... it said that horses can't yawn. 
] But I know that when Quest is bored ... he starts yawning ...

I hope this wasn't a horse-oriented magazine ! Anyway, like many other
animals ( inc. people ) horses yawn, for some reason, when they are
trying to decide between doing something they want to do ( like
walking off ) and doing something they know they are supposed to do
( like standing for the ferrier or listening to a boring story ).

So when you see a horse yawn, you know he or she is trying to make
up his or her (little) mind about doing something, and often that
something is misbehaving ! I take yawning as a cue to get the horse's
mind off whatever it's on ( horses have extremely one-track minds,
so they can often easily be distracted ) before anything happens that
might require correction. Usually just getting his attention is enough.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Treatment for Navicular Decease ??
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:25:18 GMT
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: la@datani.dk's message of 29 Jul 92 15:01:56 GMT


I posted what the Merck Veterinary Manual said on the subject a
few weeks ago, but don't have the post anymore. Maybe someone saved it
and can mail it to you ?

To summarize : Navicular can not be cured, but can be managed.
The most important thing is correct trimming and shoeing of
the feet. Anti-inflamatory drugs can make life easier for the horse.

On "Iso*Suprine" , to quote the book : 
  "Another therapy is isoxsuprine hydrochloride (0.27mg/lb [0.6mg/kg],
   PO [orally], b.i.d. [twice a day] for 6-14 wk) in paste form, which
   acts as a peripheral vasodilator, but recurrences follows cessation
   of therapy." 

My advice is that getting the horse under the care of a ferrier who knows
how to correctly treat navicular is the best way to get a long useful
pain-free life for the horse. But the horse may never be sound enough for
endurance riding.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
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