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From: stan@sabaac.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Andrew Staniszewski)
Subject: Re:paint use
Reply-To: staniszewski@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:36:03 GMT


> On an average day of practice I wll shoot 2000-3000 rounds with my
>Bud Orr pump gun, it has a hand built auto trigger but other than that
>it is essentially stock.  I don't know why other people use more, it may
>be due to the terrain in New Mexico, but I am not sure.  I know my paint
>consumption doubled when I had a sponsor picking up the tab.  At a
>tournament I will shoot over a thousand rounds in a single game and
>maybe get one elimination.  However the two crawlers that I am covering
>may get the crucial three eliminations that blow a side and win the
>game.  Something to think about.
>                               Alexander Rose of the IRONMEN
 
Golly, 3000 rounds at 5 cents apiece (my price) is $150 dollars? you must get
SOME volume discount...

Well, now I am certain I don't want to play in a tourney with the IRONMEN
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:34:04 GMT

In article <BvEH7v.C9K@medar.com> jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.193227.1741@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>>the f1 works fine with standard bottleds, but is more consisten if used
>>wiht a siphon, although it's a pain top get it below 300fps on siphon.
>>
>
>Uh, I'm pretty sure I read in the owners manual that you are
>absolutely, positively NOT supposed to use liquid on an F1.
>Do you, perhaps, mean "anti-siphon"?
>
nope, i was told siphon. hard to bellieve for me, topo, but that's what
the guy said...

>>has anyone ever needed an on/off valve?
>
>Like, for the CA tank?  It *would* come in handy at times, but
>I don't want the extra bulk and things-to-snag so I've not used
>one yet.  Plus turning on the valve is one other thing to forget
>to do just before play starts.
>
>I would think that the only time a valve's really necessary is
>when taking a CA tank off - to reduce/eliminate excess CO2
>venting around the bottle.  N'est pas?  If so, I think NW Sales
>
actually, i was thinking of changing co2 wihtout anyone hearing it fizz

used a real neat solution on the Spitfire: there's a small
>
spitfire?

vent-hole that's exposed when the tank is un-screwed (after the
>bottle's valve has closed, of course).  Excess gas is vented
>througebouts is this hole? in the thread?



cu
-pete



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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: armson sight question
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.022422.26799@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
>Last weekend I went to my local paintball store to order a Armson sight.
>The dealer told me that the sight wouldn't fit on my Bushmaster nor the
>Illustrator and Pro-Am I was comtemplating on mounting in the near future.
>Furthermore, he told me that the sight was made to fit only on the Armson 
>rifle and I could possibly mount it on a PMI-3 or other thick receiver gun
>by doing drilling and tapping work.  After telling me this, he suggested
>getting a, much more expensive, battery operated red dot sight.  Was he
>pulling my leg?
>

as far as i know the armson sight is like the epc from nationwide. the
epc is gluied onto the gun. it is real samll. oh, and if you're cross
eyed, forget the armson sight, it won't work...

call pro team products in florida to order one direct.



cu
-pete



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 16:01:43 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Help: With Scotts Mask

Hey,
    I am on the IRONMEN of Ca., we are sponsored by SCOTT and I would be
glad to do anything that I can to improve your relationship with your
product.  My team and I have been using the SCOTT goggle system since
last March and there are a few tricks to it.
    First of all the most delicate part of the system is where the mask
meets the goggles, at those little nobules.  For this reason you should
always carry the goggles in at least a semi-rigid carrying case like the
one now being produced by Nasty-Boy and Unique Sporting.
    In regard to removing lenses you should not have to pull the leses
out unless you are changing them.  
    A real good cleaning with warm (not hot) water and a rag will get
them as clean as they need to be.  
    Also use only cloths to wipe the lens, never use a wood base product
like a paper towel or even tissue.  
    Even more importantly don't ever touch the inside lens (in thermals)
unless you and never submerge or put in running water. (this causes
condensation between the lenses)
    Lasty I will answer your original question and give you my hints for
changing lenses.  First remove the mask one nob at a time, carefully  so
that none of the other nobs are getting twisted or torqued in the
process.  Next, since you are not keeping these lenses, just snip off
each corner of each of the nobs that hold the lens in with a pair of
medium sized wire clippers.  now you should have no problem gettin the
lens out and cleaning that groove where paint and dirt gets.  To put the
new lens in keep the protective plastic on the inside lens and pull the
new lens out and handle it with a cloth.  put the nose pieces in and
then work around one side until you are done.
                                
                                    Any more questions with SCOTT
                                                    Worr Game Products
                                                    Bullseye
                                                    Tigerstripe
                                                    LAPCO
                                                    Swiftline
                                    Products or just paintball in general
                                    post them under Questions for Ironmen
            Zander of the IRONMEN
From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Info on F-1 Illistrator
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:38:35 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


	I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have access to
e-mail. He is interested in purchasing an F-1 Illistrator by PMI.
He wants to know about accuracy, gas usage, durability, warranty, and
other aspects of the gun.(price,etc.) Please either post the responces
here or send them to me via e-mail. I will relay them to him. Thanks
from both of us.

Joey Hargis 
Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green Ky 42101
"I'm paintball starved at WKU!"


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From: glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto)
Subject: Information needed
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:52:35 GMT

To any AutoMag owner:  could you please send me email with the name 
of the company that makes the AutoMag, along with the address and phone 
number?  Thanks in advance.

Question to everyone in general (yeah I know it's an old one...):
What CA pump out there is VERY easy to take care of AND is of HIGH quality?

I know that Trracers are a snap to field strip, but I don't like the 
quality.  I really like Pirannhas, but there are a pain in the ass to 
clean.  What I want is a blend of the two: great range/reliability combined 
with easy and quick clean-up/field-stripping.  Durability is a big factor, 
also.

Another question to those AutoMag owners (preferbaly the ones with the newer 
guns without the bugs):  how durable is the weapon?






Joe

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Information needed
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:38:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <glock.74@chip.cba.ufl.edu> glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto) writes:
>Question to everyone in general (yeah I know it's an old one...):
>What CA pump out there is VERY easy to take care of AND is of HIGH quality?
>
>I know that Trracers are a snap to field strip, but I don't like the 
>quality.  I really like Pirannhas, but there are a pain in the ass to 
>clean.  What I want is a blend of the two: great range/reliability combined 
>with easy and quick clean-up/field-stripping.  Durability is a big factor, 
>also.
>

The Traccer isn't the only nelson based gun that is a snap to field strip.
I can field strip my Bushmaster and reassemble it in under two minutes.
As for accuracy, I can repeatly hit standing 2 x 4s at the standard
softball pitching distance with no difficulty (aiming is required :)
The same can be said for the Apex Elite, Grey Spirit and many other nelson
based guns.  For simplicity and reliability the venerable nelson valve is
hard to beat.  Some people stay away from nelson based guns because certain
parts are prone to failure (from fatigue) like the cup seal and power-tube.
These parts aren't all that expensive and almost every field carry spares.
For a more durable nelson based gun you might wan to look into getting a 
Tippmann SL-68 II.   You can use the Sl-68 II as a club and bang it against
a tree and it would still function.  The outstanding Tippmann warranty and
durability is hard to beat.  Though I found the SL-68 II to be mediocre in
accuracy.

Since you have a preference for Pirannhas you might look into getting a 
Bud Orr Sniper.  The Sniper is built around the same Sheridan valve and
has user-friendly features the Pirahnnas doesn't have.

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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.132257.120@gems.vcu.edu> porterg@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>Kunz Peter says:
>>might try a night game with night goggles some time.
>
>Yow!  Maybe you can get those puppies cheaper than we can, but that strikes me
>as a pretty expensive accessory to my paintball outfit.  Last I heard, the
>US price was US$5,000 and up.  How much does a pair run in your neck of the
>woods, anyway?
>
eastern type about $700 up


cu
-pete



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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: VENTS
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:20:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Oct3.230201.29920@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
>I recently had a friend catch a shot in the throat, not that unusual bar the 
>fact that he was wearing the VENTS predator w/armor. The ball blew right 
>through the throat guard. The gun was chrono'd and was shooting at about 285 
>fps.
>
>I was just about to purchase the vents, and was wondering if buying the armor 
>is just a waste of time? I was considering cutting camo netting to fit the 
>armor pieces and stapling it on. Does anyone have and 
>stories/suggestions/warnings that might help me make my buying decision?

The Vents 'armor' isn't a hard shell type protection (e.g., a JT X-Fire).
The idea behind the Vents armor is that it absorbs a good bit of the
paintball's energy.  Your friend would be in much worse shape if the ball
hit him/her with no protection.

Each paintball mask system has a set of tradeoffs that the designer made.
I don't care for the JT X-Fire due to it's (relatively) limited range of
vision and that it's too bulky for my tastes and I had lots of trouble with
fogging them up.  The new Scott Panorama mask is pretty nice but it doesn't
have much protection for the sides of the neck and the goggle design
doesn't cut it for wear with glasses but it has great range of vision and
doesn't fog.  The Vents Predator with armor doesn't fog at all, fit's great
over glasses, has excellent range of vision and gives good neck coverage.
Note that none of these masks really protect the neck/throat area
completely.  If thats something that you're particulary worried about then
you might want to look into neck protectors (I've seem some different ones
advertised in the various paintball magazines) or you may want to try
supplementing whichever mask system you decide on with one or more
bandannas or start wearing turtle neck type shirts.

Good luck,
	John
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: 68 automag
Keywords: cold weather
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:11:15 GMT



I'm not sure if this would work or not but if I had a Automag
I had to use in could weather I think I would go with a back
pack and then run your hose around your waist up against your
bare skin and then out your sleeve. It would seem to me that the
extra hose and the heat of your body should be more than enough
to keep the hose from cooling to the point that you could get       
liquid all the way to the gun. It may give you the chills once  
in awhile!!      

I'm almost positive it is against IPPA rules to use any type of
heating device but I doubt that your body counts. 

Try it and let us know if it works. Can you make the hose too long
for any reason? I was thinking maybe 3 times around my waist but
that would be near 10ft!


KOLB                                                 Recon South
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: armson sight question
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:01:13 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct6.063510.21369@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>The Armson sight is that flourescent dot thing?  Being that most of these
>sights (Red Dot, Armson et al) were originally for real guns, I would
>suspect that the Armson would fit any gun with the standard sight rail.

Well, almost all the red dot sights have the flourescent thingie :-)
Just that the Armson uses tritium power (no need to replace batteries) and
has no lens optical system to get scratch up (my concern).

>Did said dealer have the Armson in the store?  It would be a simple matter
>to grab a Pro-am from the display and try it.

No, the dealer didn't have the Armson in stock, that's why I was going to
order one through him.  :(

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Rifled barrels
Keywords: barrel
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:22:40 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1992Sep23.020806.6311@pony.Ingres.COM> pab@Ingres.COM (Phil Bloemink) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.181025.17521@cl.cam.ac.uk>, iap10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ian Pratt) writes:
>>
>>I've heard the term 'rifled barrel' mentioned on
>>several occasions in this news group.  Do they
>>just mean barrels with a spiral of holes drilled
>>in them, or do you really have rifled (i.e. not
>>smooth bore) barrels in the US - you sure as
>>hell can't get them in Britain yet !
>>
>Well from experience, I have difficulty in deciding whether the 
>internally or externally rifled barrel is really better. In terms
>of distance and accuracy, I think they are just about even (Smart Parts
>vs. Armson), but this is usually a topic of some controversy.
>

well, i have had lots of opportunities to test the armson barrel on F1,
Z1 and VM68. the best imnprovement in accuracy is on the Vm68, since f1
and z1 are quite accurate out of tyhe box. i haven't tried the helix bit
yet. we made our own for refernece. the problem wiht smart parts
barrels is that when a ball breaks, the paint clogs up the holes and the
only way to get it out is with water. on the asrmson, a standard squeegy
will do. we have had very good experience wiht the armson barrel in
range and accuracy.

on a nother note, i've heard smart parts abrrels, and they silence the
ghun quite a bit...

cu
-pete



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour)
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Organization: Medar, Inc.     Farmington Hills, MI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:45:30 GMT
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball

In article <1992Sep29.193227.1741@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>the f1 works fine with standard bottleds, but is more consisten if used
>wiht a siphon, although it's a pain top get it below 300fps on siphon.
>

Uh, I'm pretty sure I read in the owners manual that you are
absolutely, positively NOT supposed to use liquid on an F1.
Do you, perhaps, mean "anti-siphon"?

>has anyone ever needed an on/off valve?
>

Like, for the CA tank?  It *would* come in handy at times, but
I don't want the extra bulk and things-to-snag so I've not used
one yet.  Plus turning on the valve is one other thing to forget
to do just before play starts.

I would think that the only time a valve's really necessary is
when taking a CA tank off - to reduce/eliminate excess CO2
venting around the bottle.  N'est pas?  If so, I think NW Sales
used a real neat solution on the Spitfire: there's a small
vent-hole that's exposed when the tank is un-screwed (after the
bottle's valve has closed, of course).  Excess gas is vented
through this.  It's a lot more "comfortable" than having it
wildly vent all about and it helps preserve CA tank O-rings.
Been playing with the idea of providing my F1 with a similar
feature, but haven't worked-up the guts to go drilling into
it :-).

I wonder why the other manufacturers haven't picked-up on this
neat little feature.  Every player I've seen that has a
Spitfire, has used one, or has seen this feature in use, likes
it a lot.

>
>cu
>-pete
>
>
>-- 
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From: v065m89r@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Keith P McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Places to play...
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am looking for places to play in Buffalo, N.Y...email me with any info that you know...Thanx...                                                                                                    "Pooky"
exit
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: VENTS
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.230201.29920@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
>
>I was just about to purchase the vents, and was wondering if buying the armor 
>is just a waste of time? I was considering cutting camo netting to fit the 
>armor pieces and stapling it on. Does anyone have and 
>stories/suggestions/warnings that might help me make my buying decision?
>
i know some people who have been using the Cool Hunter and are quite
happy with it. it wraps around the neck and you fill it wiht ice packs
that com ealong with it. pro team products in florida sells 'em
407 879 4960 or so



cu
-pete



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
From: pheonix@engin.umich.edu (Douglas John Seman)
Subject: Black Rain conversion
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:03:17 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

   Stupid me lost the phone number to Monsters of the Game,
the makers of the Black Rain conversion kit.  I'd like to
talk to them and can't find the number.  Could some helpful
soul pleas post the number here again, or email me.
   Thanks.....(I also lost the APG with the number in it...
               .......sigh)
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: armson sight question
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:24:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Last weekend I went to my local paintball store to order a Armson sight.
The dealer told me that the sight wouldn't fit on my Bushmaster nor the
Illustrator and Pro-Am I was comtemplating on mounting in the near future.
Furthermore, he told me that the sight was made to fit only on the Armson 
rifle and I could possibly mount it on a PMI-3 or other thick receiver gun
by doing drilling and tapping work.  After telling me this, he suggested
getting a, much more expensive, battery operated red dot sight.  Was he
pulling my leg?

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:53:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:

>i love those toys. smoke is great for cover. i use the 3 min pull type.
>on open terrain you need 2 or 3 for good cover. paint grenades are great
>if i hear something sneaking up in the brush i can't pinpoint to shoot
>at. just lob a grenad eor two and the bastard is gone. also great for
>diversion. get the exploding type and people will jump out of cover :-)
>also great for clearing buildings.
>the plauymore mines are also cool.
>had some probl;ems with range on radios.
>might try a night game with night goggles some time.

	I will shortly be experimenting with highly directional
microphones, possibly mounted just above the barrel.  If you are on a field
with lots of woods that prevent a direct visual acquisition of the target,
you can still use *sound*....

	The idea is, of course, to scan back and forth across the horizontal
plane to see what sounds you can pick out.  At first it all just sounds
like mush.....but after a while, you learn to distinguish little things
out of the mush that say, "enemy is over there!".  Heavy breathing from
a recently running/exerting player is one.  The sound of paintballs being
reloaded is another.  People whispering can become quite evident with even
modest electronics.  Simple setups are sold for between 25 to 50 bucks
through lots of mailorder houses - these are designed to clip onto
binoculars or hats (hmmm......paintball masks, perhaps???) and the better
ones have an automatic overload shutoff.  This prevents the thing from blowing
your eardrums out from a loud noise, like you shooting your own gun.

	Now keeping paint out of them is, obviously, a good idea.....  :-)

Duane