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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: ISU vs NU Stats....
Originator: delarocq@c00044-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:45:10 GMT




  It's supposed to be pitiful rushing defense.. oops!! :)
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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:52:13 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Nov17.173903.16219@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>
>Two words:		Bill Walsh
>Alternative two words:	Stanford Cardinal
>
>****************************************************************************
>Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
>Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
>University of Washington      *   water again!
>Seattle, WA 98195             *
>****************************************************************************

Here's some more words about UM:

           TIE agaisnt ND
           Played like crap against Purdue
           Should have lost against Illinois
                 ( played for the tie)
           Easy schedule
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Iowa has lost to Minnesota!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 12:22:52 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu's message of Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:36:12 GMT

}} In article <1992Nov22.033612.25585@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
}} 
}} Just gives me a warm feeling all over to see those Copper
}} Bowl people lose their favorite Big-10 pet.

Believe you me, many of us Big 10 fans are no more happy about the
blatant favoritism than you are.  Purdue did the right thing and kept
IU from being considered for a bowl, and Minnesota and Northwestern
did their parts.  Unfortunately, MSU/UI avoided a tie, so one team
with a pitiful record is going to go.

Now I'm hearing the Pac-10 weenies clamoring for *their* 6-5 teams to
go to bowls.  Puh-leeze!  What's good for the goose is good for the
gander, and if 6-5 Big 10 teams don't deserve to go (and they don't),
6-5 Pac 10 teams don't deserve to go.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
             Hear, hear! Who's here who knows whose booze this is?

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU, A&M, and schedules
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:58:08 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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  What with all the talk about schedules and stuff, I thought I'd toss
some coals on the fire with a little research.

  FSU has faced 10 opponents.  The won/loss of those opponents is 54-46-1.
  A&M has faced 10 opponents.  The won/loss of those oppenents is 41-58-0.

The winning % of FSU opponents is 54%  A&M's is 41%.

  Take a closer look.  In 101 games, FSU's opponets have won 54.  In 99 games,
A&M's opponents have won 41.  That's a difference of 13 wins total.  And over
10 games each, that means FSU's opponents have averaged 1.3 wins more than
A&M's opponents.  1.3 wins.

  What this means is, yes, FSU's schedule is tougher.  But it is not *that*
much tougher win/loss wise, to run around screaming "Overrated, overrated!"
about A&M.  Before the sudden strong appearance of Corey Pullig at QB, I
might have tended to agree.  But not anymore.  FSU has only a 3 point lead
over A&M in the AP poll.  A strong win vs. 2-7 TCU (Tulane, let us recall,
has a 2-8 record) *could* move A&M back up over FSU.  Especially given the
MO POINTS attitude of the pollsters, and FSU having an idle week.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Ala-Fla series record?
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.000309.21198@b10.b10.ingr.com>, ellingrw@cis9.b10.ingr.com (Robert W. Ellington) writes:
> 
> What is the series record between Alabama and Florida?
> same for Alabama vs Georgia, and Alabama vs Miami?

    The only one I have records up to date for is Alabama vs Miami.
Alabama is 11 - 3 vs the canes.  I strongly suspect that Alabama has dominated
the other two as well as there are few teams where this is not the case (Texas
and Notre Dame spring to mind as counter-examples).

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
   ***  A hurricane is a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.  ***


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From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Keywords: nn
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:11:51 GMT

In article (CJohn Mace) writes:

>After thinking about it....  I think Texas played a IAA team, UNT...
>Although I beleive they have/are petitioning to move to IA.  Get a
>real schdule 'sips...  :-)
       ^^^^
Since a sooner corrected me, it's time to correct the aggie:
schedule

Real schedule???
Miss. State dosen't count?
@ Syracuse    "       "
ou            "       "
I'm willing to bet that UNT was scheduled because of Arkansas leaving and
perhaps a quality opponent not being available at such short notice.

Oh, I forgot, you guys played Stanford and um, um, um........

-Chris





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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:21:45 GMT

In article <DOEL.92Nov23134648@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>Michael J. Oatley writes:
>
>> I'm with Mo on this one: UM-MSU & UM-ND are much bigger games for the
>> Wolverines.
>
>Maybe so.  Only Michigan players and fans can accurately say which game
>represents a bigger challenge for you.  OSU fans may want to be your biggest
>rival, but if you don't feel the same way, big deal.  I for one don't think
>Moeller showed a lack of class for saying he didn't think of OSU as the
>biggest rival any more.  It was kind of a stupid thing to say the week
>before the game, but he's just reflecting reality from his point of view.
>I suspect that with the improvement OSU has shown, the OSU-UM game will once
>again grow in importance for you wolves.
>

this is one Michigan fan who would much rather win (not tie!) the 
Wolverine-Buckeye game than any other, including the Rose Bowl. But, then 
I've been watching them play since the Bo-Woody days. I suspect Mo feels 
the same, despite his comments. I think I heard him quoted (on this 
newsgroup, so I'm not sure how true it is) as saying as much after the game, 
ie, he tried to downplay the game before hand so the players won't be as 
uptight (not that it helped, maybe he should have tried for the opposite 
effect!).

-bob
a Michigan fan

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Why did Syracuse waste so much time?
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:47:56 GMT

In article <1eml3rINN4ol@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>Miami dodged another bullet at the Carrier Dome.  The key in the second half
>was the rejuvenated Orange offense and then the Miami defensive adjustments.  I
>still have to wonder about the strategy about using up so much time by
>Syracuse.  The TV announcers suggested that Graves was shaken up and needed
>time to regroup.  Was this really true?

Yes, this was true. After taking a rather viscious hit, Graves was simply not
the same. Take a look at the game film (if you can get it) and watch Graves
yack on one of the coaches after he took a time out and came to the sidelines.
I was amazed they let him stay in the game (refs and caoches alike) but you 
gotta give him credit for toughness. The game was awesome regardless of the
outcome. I think that in a few years, with some decent recruiting classes, 
that the Syracuse/Miami series could become as good a series as the FSU/Miami
series has been. The matchup is a natural rivalry for the Big East too. I am
personally looking forward to the next few years of these games.

>
>Next week, Miami faces San Diego State.  I heard that Marshall Faulk left the
>Fresno State game today due to an early ankle injury.
>-- 
>Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
>ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!

Kevin
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Maryland Football (was: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:32:28 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov18.222753.10663@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>> This past weekend Maryland made perennial ACC power clemson look like
>> a sand lot team,
>
>As many teams made Maryland look this year, in fact.  

Many?   3 = Many?

The only teams that beat Maryland by more than a touchdown are Virginia
(back when they were blowing teams out by 50 points), Penn State, and FSU. 
Sure, they are 3-8, but five of those eight were not easy wins for the other 
team.  They have come within a hair of knocking off ranked teams like 
NC State and UNC and (then) ranked GT.  In non-conference games they beat 
Pitt (okay, no big deal) and only lost to West Virginia by one point.  

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Re: Down to Business (OU/NU)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:09:36 GMT

zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:

ow!!! A Tulsan posts!!! I thought the place dropped off the face of the 
earth.

>needs a win.  A tie would put the Orange Bowl in question with Colorado.  OU
>needs a win to have a chance at any bowl appearance as NCAA regulations require
>6 wins to progress to even be considered for a bowl.  Plenty on the line. Sound
>familiar?

Hmmm. I wish nothing was on the line, like in 1990, the last time Nebraska 
played in Norman (remember that game, Huskers? That was the last time you 
went into Norman with a loss. A different team, I know, but still yo gotta 
wonder....) 

The Orange Bowl would not be in question with Colorado. I mean, if we went, 
we'd be 9-1-1 compared with the 8-2-1 or 8-3 of Nebraska. Granted that CU's
loss was to Nebraska and NU lost to Washington and Iowa State, but still,
Colorado COULD play with whoever goes to the Orange Bowl. Really. I'm serious.

>we have tremendous respect for Tom Osbourne and the Huskers.  Even though I
>would like to see Oklahoma in some bowl, I would prefer to be bested by
>Nebraska for the Orange Bowl rather than Colorado.  Tough call.  I'm sure both
>teams understand the importance of the game and will be fired up.

The hate of Colorado continues. What do have to do, resolve the Yugoslavia
question? End the hatred in Compton? Come up with a viable football playoff 
system? C'mon, we're just another football team. Sometimes we're up, 
sometimes we're down. But we're people. People who go to one of the best 
science schools in America. One of the best environmental conservation 
programs in the world. And win national championshps, too.

This is the first game since I became a Buff that I have to root for my 
old home state. I hope that Gary gibbs makes his swan song a memorable one, 
one that will be a classic upon which even the "Game of the Century"
will be compared to. Win this one, Gary. Embarrass the **** out of the 
Huskers. And out of all those nay-sayers in Okla. City.

>Mike

>P.S. - Was at the OU/OSU game Saturday.  Very good game by both teams.  No
>       Steve Collins, though?  While OSU has done well against the option, I
>       would have liked to have seen Steve see a little action and see how he
>       fared.  Gundy did relatively well, though, considering that he hadn't
>       played in 3 weeks.  

I hope they start Collins. He has a better chance at winning the big game 
than Gundy does.

-- 
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Currently at:	 |"George Bush is Out of Time. Bill Clinton and Al Gore
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Boulder, CO 80306|		-VP Elect Al Gore, 10-29-1992
From: v003nnc3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SU Bowl??
Keywords: Which One?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Does anyone know what bowl SU has a chance of getting?  Does the Cane game
affect this?  Either post or E-mail.  Thanks.

Mr. Bungle  
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Cougars' Copper Bowl opponent: Utah
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 02:27:58 GMT

KHQ (Spokane) has just reported that WSU's opponent
in the Copper Bowl will be Utah.              

Jim
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Forget about merit, take a Big-10 team. 
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1eeie1INNaiq@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<ASH.92Nov20150111@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
	<1992Nov21.085225.14081@serval.net.wsu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:20:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.085225.14081@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:


   >The Copper Bowl is Washington State's only chance?  That IS sad.  They
   >deserve some sort of bowl game for the fine year they've had.

   You bet it's sad.  We're sitting here at 7-3 in the PAC-10, and getting
   the shaft while we watch...

   1) the Copper Bowl take Iowa, assuming they don't lose to the Gophers (like
      there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening).  *Iowa*!

Congratulations.  Looks like there is some justice.

   3) the Freedom Bowl get ready to take Wisconsin.  *Wisconsin*!

See #1.  On the otherhand, folx from the west seem to be convinced that the
Huskies are a top team, and Wisconsin gave them one of their toughest games
this year.


Bill
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:30:41 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov15.043905.16588@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:

| It's poetic justice that on the day Michigan played for a tie
| against an unranked team, ND goes for the win and finally beats
| Penn State again! ND could have kicked the extra point for a tie.
| This should silence those Holtz bashers. He was going for the
| two point conversion all the way.  And the fourth down TD and
| conversion, both with passes, show Mirer's potential as a great QB.
| You don't risk losing the game (and hurting your Bowl status) 
| without great confidence in your QB.

How could you hurt ND Bowl status.  All they have to do is win 7 games
and they get a Major NYD game at the Orange, Cotton, Sugar or Fiesta.
Win, lose or draw ND gets to play at one of the big bowls.




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From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: Michigan - National Championship - Not with Moeller
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:01:41 GMT

In article <BxtCDL.37M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>As a UM alumnus, I was very disheartened to hear Gary Moeller say that 
>guaranteeing a spot in the Rose Bowl was more important than having a chance to
>win the National Championship. 
[ ... ]
>                                                                      Worst 
>of all, had they tried to win Saturday and come up short, the Rose Bowl was 
>still available to them. Or doesn't he think that Michigan can beat OSU?

There he was with 60 seconds to decide about a national championship.  Lose
or tie, same result.  So who does he pass the responsibility off on?  His
kicker who was, for the season, 5 of 9 on fieldgoals.  The five he made were
all shorter.  The kicker, of course, turns out to be made of better stuff and
bams it through.

I feel sorry for the Michigan players, even Wheatley.  They spent the entire
game struggling not just against an increasingly fired up Illini team but
against their own pathetic coaching (12 on the field, 10 on the field, 2-point
conversion, one player with 7 fumbles, fooled by blitzes on big plays, and
the piece de resistance: going for the tie with mighty Illinois who are, what?,
8th in defense in the Big10).

After such a slap in the face, I won't be too surprised if they lose to OSU.
You see, Coach Moeller made sure they didn't *have to* win this week.  Good
thinkin', guy.  I'd sure like to hear his pre-game pep talk!

JB
Illini fan also pissed at Moeller (again!), who hasn't changed much except
now he has top recruits thrown at him
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Organization: University of Michigan
	<ASH.92Nov20142146@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:39:40 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov20142146@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

      >"The Cesspool of the West!" has a better ring to it, in my mind.

   That's right, Orin.  We're not the Assholes of the world, just the
   "Arrogant Asses in Ann Arbor."  That's a quote from a Michigan State
   coach, but I don't remember which one.


Darryl Rodgers, who went on to fame and fortune in Azirona and then with the
Lions.  Well, maybe not fame....


Bill
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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:31:05 GMT

<JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.192722.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
>says:
>>
>>Georgia 14
>>Auburn 10
>>
>>This was a close game with a controversial ending.  

Also, Andre Hastings attempted to field a punt in the end zone.  He
fumbled then recovered the fumble and attempted to return the punt.
He was subsequently tackled for an apparent safety.  Did anyone see
this on TV and get an explanation?  If AU had been awarded the two
points, they could have kicked a field goal for the win, rather than
run a play.

>>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov

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From: brewers@camelot.bradley.edu (James Kimble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:48:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.brewers.722072933
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

>Really though the Alliance rules are very clear about getting the 1 vs 2
>matchup in the Fiesta Bowl. This only happens if the #1 and #2 teams in the
>AP (not UPI CNN etc. etc.) are from the Big East, ACC, and ND.

>The #1 and #2 have *NO* out clause for this one scenario - they must play !!!

>So if Miami likes it or not , if they are #1 or #2 and Florida State or ND
>is #1 or #2 the Fiesta Bowl is where they will play.
>   - maybe I should add if Fla St or ND like it or not also   :-)

>Justin

But as of now, the #1 team is Miami, and the #2 team is Alabama.  If this
is the case at the end of the season, and Alabama wins the SEC Championship
the bowl aliance will dictate the these two teams meat in the Sugar
Bowl, since they are comitted to the Sugar as the Champs of the SEC.

As far as I'm concerned, the best matchup would be Miami/FSU, but that
will never happen because of the fact that there is no alliance with
an independent and the ACC.  Although, ND/FSU would be a pretty darn
good game and quite easy to market.
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From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Rock the Good Ag)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:08:00 GMT

In article <11363@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, garnto@scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto 904/644-4534) writes...
>
> 
>The part that gets me about all this, is FSU is SUPPOSE to be in a rebuilding
>mode (at least that was what they said before the season starts).   how quickly
>things (and people) change
>

That's similar to what's happening here at A&M, too.  Out of 89 scholarship
players, 67 are freshmen or sophomores.  Also, on our 2-deep chart, we have
only 7 or 8 seniors.  Kinda scary what both teams may be able to do one or two
years down the road....

Rock


>ken "looking forward to the 28th" garnto
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