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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:57:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct3.044817.8497@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach):
> > Someone doesn't want Destruction found.
> >
> >Why not Destruction himself?  It would be out of character for him to harm
> >family or relatives, but blowing up things and killing people in the process
> >is in his job description.
> 
> No, it's in his job description, but it's out of character for the
> personality we've seen.  Besides, it was fairly clear from the scene
> where he enters his gallery that it was coming as a surprise to him.

I was discussing this with someone over e-mail.  What if:

- Destruction is not Destruction any more.  "You can stop being anything."

- Some other "aspect" (is that what Dream called them?) of Destruction took
  his place.

- Whoever is Destruction now doesn't want the original item to be found.
  Note that the assasination attempts have always been very Destructive
  (falling walls, gas explosions).
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:47:51 GMT

CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:

>This is a newgroup so ...

>The following comics are due to come out in October:

...
>Spawn #6
This should be Spawn #5, for all you Spawn fans.

Tom
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Life, the Marvel Universe and everything
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:05:53 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)  writes:

>	Marvel has once again, made too many characters and henceforth
>too many comic books. [etc]

Which makes one wonder (or dread) what next summer is going to be
like, since both Marvel and DC are supposedly going to be using their
summer annuals as springboards for dozens of new titles (and
presumably dozens of new characters as well)....

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Gaiman signings
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:45:03 GMT

I was recently asked when Neil would be signing again, and where. I don't
believe the following info. appears in r.a.c.i:

Halloween: two signings for Steve Gursky's Comic Relief stores, one in
           Philadelphia, one in New Jersey.

January: Two (?) signings for DEATH: The High Cost of Living, to help launch
         the Vertigo line. Probably Miami & Houston, maybe.

Don't flame me if it *is* in R.a.c.i; please - it's rather frustrating to read
a whole chain of American appearances when one is stuck in Britain, so I
usually don't.

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.strips
From: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Life, the Marvel Universe and everything
Summary: Confusing
Reply-To: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald) 
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:23:52 GMT

	Alright, in yesterday's atricle I sorta whined and complained
about Marvel's death policy, how it related to the X-Men, and how the
Infinity crossover's started because of it. Today, I feel like talking
about how Marvel could clean up it's Uni,multi,omni-verse.

	First of all, you need to get rid of a lot of Marvel's dead
weight characters. For instance, Feral from X-Force. She's ugly, she's
stupid, she couldn't be drawn by any one except Liefeld, and she's
only good ultraviolence.

	Marvel has once again, made too many characters and henceforth
too many comic books. A lot of these characters suck in their own
books but are pretty cool in other books. Example, Darkhawk. Don't get
me wrong, I like him and all (sorta) but I liked him much better in
the New Warriors. I feel that he would have been a great addition to
the team, and would turn out to be a better character through team work.

	Now, for an example of a dead weight character you'll have to
read tomorrow's post.

Jesse L. Fitzgerald
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman covers and artwork
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:29:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:

>	Those Sandman covers are by Dave McKean.  He also did Arham Asylum with
>Grant Morrison for DC.


He also writes and does the art for `Cages' published by
Tundra. It comes out semi-regularly and is supposed to be
a 10 part series. It is also very good.

Jed
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: YEARGH! The PLayboy returneth!
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:11:29 GMT

In article <BvIDxn.3ov@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus
Imperator) wrote:
> 
> In article <92276.105223U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> >
> >Stark (Die you fucking playboy bastard) lives?  Stark!!! (Die you fucking playb
> >oy bastard) Lives!!!  STARK (DIE YOU FUCKING PLAYBOY BASTARD) LIVES!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Someone call Hanover Fist.  I've got a job for him...
> >
> >DPW
> >
> >Actually, Mister Stark was a wonderful man when he was alive... AWWW GIVE ME
> >A BREAK!!!  Shootings too good for him.  Hanging's to good for him!  He
> >should be ripped to pieces then burned alive!!!  STAAAAARRRK!!!  IIIII'M
> >GONNNA KIIILLLLLL YYYYOOOOOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> ???...
> I'd call it a personal problem...

Too much heavy metals in his diet, no doubt.

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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Charleston Chew Comic
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:46:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I'm a bit of an X-Men completist (I own 'X-Men at the Texas State Fair' and
a 'don't smoke' comic featuring Storm, among other obscure books), and
i really would like to get the Charleston Chew comic that's been advertised
in Marvel comics for a few months, regardless of how totally lame it 
probably is.  Problem is, i can't find the candy wrapper needed to order it.
If anyone has, can get, or can tell me where to get this candy wrapper, 
please e-mail me.  I've searched all over Atlanta unsucessfully.

No 'fanboy' flames unless you send me the wrapper, please :-)

JRjr
-- 
'You know he got the cure...but then he went astray.  He used to stay awake
to drive the dreams he had away.  He wanted to believe in the hands of love...'
                                                        U2--Exit
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LEGION 92 #46
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:25:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Nine pages of fight scene in a twenty-two page story.  With Lobo
appearing prominently in seven of them.  Not a bad comic, given
that they seem to be trying to Out-Marvel Marvel -- it's being done
skillfully enough -- but trying to Out-Marvel Marvel doesn't leave
that much room to be a good comic, either.  The creators seem to
have decided that Lobo fans represent the important core of their
readership.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: LSH #35
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:06:05 GMT

I see the fact that Dirk can move at ALL in his condition a sign that he won't 
die anytime soon unless he suicides.  He may not heal much, or look very pretty
once he does heal, but it's kinda like the "if he survives the night" idea.  If
he didn't die instantly after lifesupport removal, he won't die.
     To those who wondered, yes Omnicom is an on-line LSH APA/newszine.
     Dave Van Domelen, "Cerebus's sales had better go up after this...."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Malibu vs. Image
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.131529.12213@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Whatever the real or perceived crimes of Image, I would not want to see Malibu 
>crash and burn because of them.  Malibu is sort of an "umbrella" company, 
>holding and printing several indie lines, including Eternity (home of Ninja 
>High School!).  Unfortunately, Malibu has had to put so much of its resources 
>into Image to give it the distribution it "deserves" that other lines have 
>suffered.  That and the hentai (fanboy) mentality seems to be spreading, 
>virus-like, throughout the entire Mailbu fleet, with things like the color 
>reprints of NHS and the 3-D NHS (which bit the concrete sausage).  Image may 
>not be the totality of Malibu, but it could easily destroy Malibu.

Actually, I think NHS3D was published by Anartic Press but that's beside the
point.

While it is true that Malibu Graphics are only the publishers of IMAGE, their
other lines Arcel, Eternity, and Adventure, are wholely owned by Malibu.  Arcel
is their "adult" line, Adventure their Licenced properties (Alien Nation, Planet
of the Apes), and Eternity their Animation related/other stuff.  Their
new Malibu line is their color books line wioth the Protectors Universe and 
Ex-Mutants books.

BTW Malibu isn't as nice as they appear (IMHO), Ex-Mutants was a book created
by David Lawrence (now at Innovation I think) and RON LIM durring the B&W glut 
of the 80's.  IT was one of the few succsess from that time.  It was published
by Eternity/Adventure/Pied Piper.  There was a major company split which
eventually resulted in today's Malibu Graphics companies and Innovation.
During this, Malibu effectively stole Ex-Mutants from Lawrence and Lim. 

I myself am waiting to see if something like this happens with the Image crowd

I also figure this may be a reason why Lim isn't planning on joining Image.

All IMHO-again

----SCAVENGER

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cfalls@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Craig Falls)
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:18:45 GMT

ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:


>In a previous article, c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft) says:

>>
>>Have all the image comics except for Spawn decided to go
>>bimonthly on us or what???  Seems like the only person trying
>>to keep up Image's image is McFly.

>What do you expect?  When you spend most of your time doing book
>signings and blowing your own horn, when do you have time to do a book?



	That's not fair, personal opinion if fine, but it give me that sh*ts
	to see alot of _personal attacks_.  Image is just new, give them a
	chance to get everything in order (say 6-12 months) and then things
	may get a bit more regular.  IMHO some of the comics may be a bit
	average (Youngblood, Brigade, Shadowhawk) but some are enjoyable.

	I may get flamed for this but i did like spawn and WildC.A.Ts, and
	i am waiting, waiting for the first issues of Cyberforce and 
	Wetworks.  However i am not looking forward to Supreme.
	I am not fond of Liefeld's work, so the thought of one of my friends
	(a mega huge, big lifeld fan)	
	telling me about three lifeld books a month will be scary
	(those being Brigade, Youngblood, and Supreme)  

	Anyhow that my opinion, flames are welcome (to be ignored) however
	critisem(sp?) and support are welcome anytime.

			- later

  Craig Falls - Griffith University, Australia - cfalls@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tmw4r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Munroe Walsh)
Subject: Re: Batman: The Harvey Dent dilemma
Keywords: batman animated series
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.164844.14981@unvax.union.edu> kinnes@unvax.union.edu (Steven W. Kinne) writes:
>Hats off to the makers of the Batman animated series. They did what Tim
>Burton couldn't do... examine the true nature of Two-Face!
>
>If anyone remembers back to the first Burton Batman flick, he introduces
>Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, Gotham City DA. I recall reading reviews
>of the film saying how it was a shame that a fine actor like Billy was reduced
>to playing a bit role like Harvey Dent. I smiled knowingly when I read that and
>said to myself, "You'll see." However, Burton apparently forgot about the
>character and went on to concentrate on Penguin and Catwoman.
>
>- Steve

As I heard it, when Sam Hamm wrote the screenplay for "Batman," his intent
was for Harvey to become Two-Face in Batman III.  Williams' contract for
"Batman" included options for two more films but Burton didn't want/need
Dent around for "Batman Returns."  (Of course, another rumor I heard was
that the Joker would be the criminal who sprayed Dent with acid but I
think he made too deep of a crater for that to be possible.)

,------------------------,----------------------------------------------,
| T. J. Walsh            | "Never mess with another man's reubarb."     |
| University Of Virginia |                                              |
| tmw4r@virginia.edu     |                                              |
`------------------------^----------------------------------------------'
From: alejandr@aludra.usc.edu (Ruiz Alejandro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: batman/green arrow cb
Date: 5 Oct 1992 00:05:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <BvM7np.8y2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) writes:
>I just picked up the Batman and Green Arrow comic yesterday(sorry, the name 
>temporarily escapes me, and I don't have it with me).  It features the Green 
>Arrow and Batman against Poison Ivy.  In it, there is an implied confrontation
>between big B and PI previously.  When was she introduduced prior to this?  The                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>first I ever heard of her was in the Batman animated series.

Poison Ivy is one of the classic Female Batman Foes (only surpased in 
fame by CatWoman) She first appeared in BATMAN 181 with other female evil
doers that have vanished in space and time... If I recall properly they
where Dragon Fly, Silken Spider and Tiger Moth.
						Take Care!



.




Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Charleston Chew Comic
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:58:21 GMT
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In <69281@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU writes:

> I'm a bit of an X-Men completist (I own 'X-Men at the Texas State Fair' and
> a 'don't smoke' comic featuring Storm, among other obscure books), and
> i really would like to get the Charleston Chew comic that's been advertised
> in Marvel comics for a few months, regardless of how totally lame it 
> probably is.  Problem is, i can't find the candy wrapper needed to order it.
> If anyone has, can get, or can tell me where to get this candy wrapper, 
> please e-mail me.  I've searched all over Atlanta unsucessfully.
> 
> No 'fanboy' flames unless you send me the wrapper, please :-)
> 
> JRjr
> -- 
> 'You know he got the cure...but then he went astray.  He used to stay awake
> to drive the dreams he had away.  He wanted to believe in the hands of love...'
>                                                         U2--Exit
> #####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
Me too! Me too!    If YOU have an extra copy (or are able to get one) of the
 Charleston Chew x-comic, I would be more than happy if you could mail it to
me. Naturally I would pay for the expenses.  
I am unable to get the comic by any other means, due to me living in Finland.

		-Mika

P.S. I`m meeting Brian Bolland next week. Hah! 

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jacob@rigel.tcs.com (Jacob Butcher)
Subject: Re: $$ Comic Book Creators $$
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:17:37 GMT

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> [Stuff about McFarlane making 3-4 million and Byrne making a half million.]
>
>Perhaps how much they get paid is none of our business. But seeing these
>people make that much money in a year for doing a comic book is amazing.
>Makes me wish I had some creative talent. Oh well.

It makes *me* wish THEY had some creative talent...

					~jacob
From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:01:11 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <143560015@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>In rec.arts.comics.misc, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> I like the subject to be in proportion! (NOTE: I don't like 20th century
>> "art" either)
>Perhaps if you had gone onto college art history you could avoid
>making sweeping statements like, "I don't like 20th century art."
>> 
>> I loved the drawing in this year's Marvel Swimsuit Issue of Cable, it
>> was a total rip on Liefeld's inability to draw in proportion.
>
>It was trivial and cliched like most comic art.

Perhaps if you had read more comic books, you could avoid making sweeping
statements like, "It was trivial and cliched like most comic art."

Why read them if they're below you?  In fact, why read rec.arts.comics if
you're going to be bombarded with meaningless babble from us unsophisticates 
who don't know as much about art as yourself?

Perhaps if you had read more newsgroups, you could avoid making pretentious
holier-than-thou posts like this one.

Love,
USENET's Chuck
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From: dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099)
Subject: Re:UPC
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:10:54 GMT

Meaning no disrespect to Obscure Trivia Lad, but doesn't upc stand for
universal price code?

and also in reply to why there are so many for X-force #1 it was from
a printing error.  As we all know direct sales comics have a picture
instead of the code and in this case the misprint occurred with the
direct sales version.  This pictured Captain America celebrating some
aniversary.  It was supposed to be a white background with a black
outlined picture, but some of them were printed in the inverse of this
with a black background and white outline.  Hope this is what you wanted
to know, Later!

Shawn
dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu
From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Fanboys - collectors
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:20:30 GMT


Someone mentioned a while ago, that it really won't matter how many copies you  
have of X-Men #1, or Youngbloods...  Which makes more and more sense as I go  
along.  Therefore, I've stopped collecting books, for collecting's sake... I  
just buy what I like and I don't care if it creases (sp?) or if it's got edges  
that don't look crisp.  I am NOW actually reading books the way I think that  
they were intended to be read - for pure fun.  

Just think about it - those youngbloods or x-men, or x-force #1's aren't and  
won't be highly valuable in the future.... they just won't be rare...ever.  
(maybe in a million years - but who will care then?)

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: YES YES YES YES YES (More Happy happy Joy joy)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:45:41 GMT

THE HERO ALLIANCE SPECIAL IS FINALY OUT!!!!! I FEEL LIKE SHOUTING IT FROM THE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
COMPUTER TOPS!!!(oh I am, sorry)

I'm just sooooo thrilled!  I've been waiting for new HA stuff forever.  I highly
recomend this series to anyone who likes super-heroes-but not standard super-
hero stories.  Hero Alliance deals with what happens BETWEEN the fights.  Kinda
like the G(G for Giffen or good-take your pick)-JLA--but not as humorous.  It 
tends to treat the characters as more 3D type characters.

Besides HAS, The new SANDMAN and ANIMAL MAN and SWAMP THING came out. YAY!!!

Other neat stuff came out too, but I'll have to wait to buy them (negative
cash flow and all that)

Once again: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-----SCAVENGER feeling really happy!

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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Organization: this is my obnoxiousness day...apologies
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:11:01 EDT


"Are you trying to sell me something?"
					--nudge nudge know what i mean



handel "because it's there?" low
(sorry, i don't know if that was the exact monty python quote
but it's quite good)