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From: myadav@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Mahesh Yadav)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ON THE OCCASION OF AUG,15 -- II
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:04:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



	ON THE OCCASION OF AUG,15 (OUR COUNTRY'S INDEPENDENCE DAY) -- II
	=================================================================

		PATROITISM IN US
		================

	Indian government has always been generous and intersted in protecting
the interest of indians or peopls of indian origin abroad. For instance, 
there have been many diplomatic meetings (especially in Africa) to 
alleviate the situation against discrimination of people of Indian origin, 
giving education previlages in India for Fiji, mauritius students. 
As an matter of fact, in 1985(?) Indira Gandhi government had decided to give
free education to 50-100 gypsies in Chandigadh. It was quite an emotional 
event, to witness in T.V.. Though I have called it as "govenment's effort", 
in reality it is a direct result of patriotism in us.I am deliberately making 
a distinction between government level and mass level, because the two can 
be very different, the government level is generally short term with 
self interest involved, while at the people level is usually 
a long term. During my last year visit to India, I was told by my friends 
that it was initially the journalists (in turn, people) and then the 
state governments which pressured the GOI to airlift the stranded 
indians in gulf. 

	Partiotism can also be felt when any indian or indian origin abroad
gets an accolade such as S.Chandrashekhar getting nobel prize, it makes us all
proud. This is not just limited to Indians in India, but even the indians who  
come here feel grateful to the nation which inspite of the poverty  gave 
them virtually free education. It is all the more evident in many 
of the graduate students in US. Imagine, when an alternative exist by which 
money can reach india next day and at market rate (1$=Rs.30), many of us send 
it in the legal way!! Legal way not only gives a bad deal (1$ =Rs25) but 
charges a commission and takes one week to reach India.
Later, as NRI (non resident indian), they help in opening various 
organisations for social causes and industries. One of the best examples is
Andhra Pradesh which has developed many Hospitals and industries, almost 
entirely from NRI's money, vision and direction!! Further when one of us 
becomes successful person (monetarily or intellectually), they get 
"natural urges" or you may call it religious experience in which one 
normally asks the question, "who am I?, Why am I here?", and then he or 
she packs for India, to help the country in the way they can. Among the 
most famous examples, I can recall are E.C.G.Sudarshan and Sam Pitroda. Such 
patriotism are truely exceptional and can rival people from any other nation.
The underlying reason is we do not just belong to just any other country!!
But a country which has and had so many model persons and one is tempted by
their endeavor, to follow their foot steps

			* * * * *
From: raja@magic (Raja Seth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ethiopia won a Silver, what a hopeless show by India
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: raja@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.,



In <1992Aug9.234849.5593@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> Ramkumar writes :

	There is no point in blaming our folks. Who is responsible for this ?
	V, the Indians. Do we give importance to sports other than Cricket ?
	V always carry the Indian cricketers on our head. But what about
	hockey players, football players etc  ??? Cricketers are paid huge
	amount of money and given valuable prizes. But what about players
	from other sport ?? What do we do ? 

	If proper respect and facilities are provided to the sportsmen
	apart from cricket, our folks will do better. But will this happen
	in India ? I do not think so. It will happen only when the attitude
	of v Indians change.

	Ramkumar


My sentiments exactly. Cricket is one of the useless sports I can think of.
It has very little health benefits; but if the ozone is depleted at this rate,
cricket may end up giving cancer to so many. In a country like India where the
health of the population is so important (and poor), it may be wise to find 
some other sport merely for health reasons, if not for any olympic medals.

But think of the postive contribution. The popularity of cricket has provided 
many playgrounds for public use. But of what use ? 

Regards........Raja                            





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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dipand@microsoft.com (Dipan Dewan)
Subject: Re: "Unemployment Problem of India" (***very long****)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:03:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

Koteswararao Nandipati writes:
>The following is an excerpt from the book "Small is Beautiful" by 
>E.F.Schumacher.
>
>(A study of economics as if people mattered). 
>
>****fore warning*****
>This is a very long article, ~10pages. Please be aware of it before
>start reading it.
>*********************
>
>
>The Problem of Unemployment in India
>(A talk to the India Development Group in London)
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  [...lots of stuff deleted for brevity...]

What I understood was that the loooong article advocates "down-sizing"
and that life without modern amenities was better.

An excerpt:
>                                                            What
>makes us think we need electricity, cement and steel before we can do
>anything at all? The really helpful things will not be done from the
>centre; they cannot be done by big organisations; but they can be done
>by the people themselves.

Coming down to the basics, I think of the following questions:
 * Isn't it true that I would like to live a long and healthy life?
 * Isn't it true that the marvels of modern medical research and
   diagnosis go a great way in helping people lead healthy lives?
 * Isn't it true that you require electricity for the above purpose?
 * Isn't it true that you require steel/cement/etc. to build appliances
   that generate electricity?
 * Isn't it true that modern production methods have brought down the
   costs of manufacturing "appliances" down to be within the reach of
   the "common man."

So, IMHO it is not only futile, but foolish, wishing away technological
advancement. It has it's drawbacks, but the benefits far outweigh them.

>                        If we can recover the sense that is the most
>natural thing for every person born into this world to use his hands
>in a productive way and that it is not beyond the wit of man to make
>this possible, then I think the problem of unemployment will disappear
>and we shall soon be asking ourselves how we can get all the work done
>that needs to be done.

Huh? I read the article hoping to get some insights. But, as with a large
part of the article, to me it sounds like talking without saying anything!

Comments?

Thanks,
 Dipan.
-- 
  Dipan Dewan           dipand@microsoft.com       ...!uunet!microsoft!dipand
    Views expressed above are mine; they may not be shared by my employer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cvemuri@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sarat Vemuri)
Subject: SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN.TELUGU CREATED
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:08:01 GMT



The newsgroup soc.culture.indian.telugu has been formed 
starting 8/13/92, and should be available at all sites 
where 'soc.*' groups are available.
From 'readnews' (or 'rn' or trn), you can subscribe to it by saying 
      
       g soc.culture.indian.telugu

From nn you can read it by typing "G" while you are in article selection
menu and then typing "soc.culture.indian.telugu" and then "u".
You can also invoke it by the "command nn soc.culture.indian.telugu"


If you have any problems, please contact your system 
adminstrator, or Sarat (cvemuri@hubcap.clemson.edu).

This newsgroup is devoted to discussing all aspects of 
interest to Telugu speaking people, with special emphasis on cultural 
and literary aspects. The complete charter is one of the 
first posts on this new newsgroup.
 
Special thanks to KT Narayana, for performing a wonderful job with
the Telugu digest all these days. There may still be people who don't
have access to access to usenet. Hopefully, he will be able
to keep them connected to the SCIT. 

Sarat Vemuri

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..!gatech!hubcap!cvemuri

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godbolep@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: looking for ex M.I.T Pune students
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:03:06 GMT

hi netters

i would like to collect and compile addresses of ex M.I.T.students
(Maharashtra Institute Of technology, Pune)currently staying in U.S.A.
so please reply, by mentioning following
1)name
2)address and ph no. in usa
3)year of passing and branch
4)present status(specilisation,school name etc.)
5)email address
thanks
Prasanna
email address godbolep@woods.ulowell.edu
From: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Capitation fees
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:13:37 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <jog.714073060@kpc.com> jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog) writes:
>
>I believe the Indian constitution does list any explicit
>"right to education".
>

The "right to education" is not a fundamental right under the Indian
Constitution. I could find two references to this "right" in the
fundamental rights sections. There were some references to education
in the "directive principles of state policy" also (part IV of the
Constitution), which are, of course, not enforceable by the courts.
Here are the relevant articles:


Art 29. Protection of interests of minorities.--
  (2) No citizen shall be denied admission into any educational
institution maintained by the State or receiving aid out of State funds
on grounds only of religion, race, caste, language or any of them.

Art 30. Right of minorities to establish and administer educational
institutions.

-----

Art 41. Right to work, to education and to public assistance in certain
cases.-- The State shall. within the limits of its economic capacity and
development, make effective provision for securing the right to work, to
education and to public assistance in cases of unemployment, old age,
sickness and disablement, and in other cases of undeserved want.

Art 45. Provision for free and compulsory education for children.-- The
State shall endeavour to provide, within a period of ten years from the
commencement of this Constitution, for free and compulsory education for
all children until they complete the age of fourteen years.

Art 46. Promotion of educational and economic interests of Scheduled
Castes, Scheduled Tribes and other weaker sections.-- The State shall
promote with special care the educational and economic interests of the
weaker sections of the people, and in particular, of the Scheduled Castes
and the Scheduled Tribes, and shall protect them from social injustice
and all forms of exploitation.


-dheeraj
-- 
Dheeraj Sanghi			(h):301-474-3592	(o):301-405-2723
Internet: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu	UUCP: uunet!mimsy!dheeraj
I asked a Burmese why women, after centuries of following their men, now walk
ahead. He said there were many unexploded land mines since the war. - Mueller
From: vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Subject: Stop de bashing : )
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:35:50 GMT

Balaji writes:

 Some more......
           The sentences were excerpt ed [;-)] from News mags.
 
debutant:  One who makes an "lasting" impression right in his first 
            appearence.

             "FFT is a debutant on SCI. Almost."  

                                              --------  SCI News
                      [deleted] 
             
   indebted,
   BK

 To,
  De Balaji Kannan,
  De burger on de net.
 
      Sir,
             
         I debonstrate against such debauched debentures by a debented 
debaniac. You, De bird brain , in de back to de back articles, attempt to 
de-balance the debocratic structure of the net by debating whether debositing
BS on SCI is debired or not and in de brocess, stifling de bree expression
of debructive ideas. For this, you should be given de bashing of his life :)
Dough I agree that deb is de bandit and de barracuda loose on the net, getting
into all de bawls with de boor guy :) Arindam, de attempt to debar him from the
net is debressing, to say de least. De bathos in his life arising out of all
de berating dat he is getting debbs my spirits. deb is such a debullient guy,
too, always debrecating those debased Commies.
   Sir, de ball is in your debor now. You stop this deblandering immediately.
 
I remain, de bleading Debbertigibbet,
Gotcha Gangster.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
De bird in de hand is worth two in de bush.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: as@sgi.com (Ashmeet Sidana)
Subject: Re: Where Programmers are...
Keywords: Programmers, Statistics
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:59:09 GMT

In article <10455@wrgate.wr.tek.com> nagesh@loowit.wr.tek.com (Nagesh Rao) writes:

>Software Developers and their Managers by country in 1990
>---------------------------------------------------------
>                                                                     Ratio
>Country		Programmers	Managers 	Total        prog/mgr.
>-------		-----------	--------	-----        --------
>USA			1,693,200	253,980		1,947,180      6.667
>USSR			1,445,000	216,750		1,661,750      6.667
>India			1,252,500	187,875		1,440,375      6.667

I computed the ratio column hoping to infer something. I find it hard
to believe that the ratio is exactly the same?

---Ashmeet Sidana
   as@sgi.com
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Curious observation,: Pibroch
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.145126.4989@newshub.sdsu.edu> sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang) writes:

>George,
>       I was merely saying that I needed to take some time to read the
>old PGW's. I did read nsridhar's post before posting a reply. I was just
>posting the true meaning of the pibroch. By saying that "I didn't remember"
>I meant that my memory was bad.

I think you've missed the point of the pibroch discussion if there ever
was one. The definition of pibroch wasn't really in question.

>At this point I remember an old saying that my Grandfather used to tell me:
>It went like this: A guilty conscience is the first to react even without
>                   being accused.

He sounds like an extremely sagacious person. I on the other hand,
can't respond in kind because I find myself unequal to the task of
inflicting family stories on the general public.  

George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ckg@lookout.uswest.com (Chandrika Kaushik Ghosh)
Subject: G.K. Udaykumar of Virginia (ex-Bangalorian)
Organization: US WEST Communications
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:49:56 GMT


My cousin, Lilly, is here for a couple of months and was trying to 
locate the above named person.  He has been in this country approximately 
6 years (came here for Business Management) and was a Zoology lecturer
in Bangalore previously.

-- 

Chandrika.

X:	Your Windows to the world.
Motif:	It sure (looks and) feels good.  Uh Huh! :-)
From: varada@ultrix.csc.usf.edu. (Srihari Varada (ENB))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Wanted info.
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:41:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, Center for Scientific Computing

Hello!

Any one out there  from PSG TECH, Coimbatore. If so, please send me your
E-mailing address to contact you.

Thanks,

srihari varada,
varada@sunrise.ec.usf.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: ADVISOR CALLS
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:40:17 GMT

As Samit has correctly surmised: My advisor was  out of town
So bye: No I am not paid for this: no Bahai is.
Any way I have better things to do like organizing racial unity
meetings.
So bye
Arindam
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Matrimonial
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.235255.15688@berlioz.nsc.com> cli@berlioz.nsc.com writes:
>A friend of mine with the following details:
>	 Telugu, Green Card holder,Male engineering Professional, 
>	 30years young, 5'6.5",Kamma is seeking suitable matches 
>	 from eligible females residing or going to school in US.
>
>Please email me at: cli@berlioz.nsc.com or call (408)-263-6000

FFT, here's one prospective customer...
BTW, don't forget the AIDS test result.. someone might ask...

Njan
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu/Buddhist riots
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:10:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MeZFJxW00VB=M1LmJT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


The BodhGaya temple has an interesting history. I'm quoting here
Konraad Elst in his book on Ayodhya.

In 1590, the Shaiva sannyasin Gossain Gamandi Giri set up a monastery
on a terrain next to the abandoned, though still standing temple.

In 1874, at request of the king of Burma, the mahant (temple managing
priest) agreed to restablish BodhGaya as a centre of Buddhist worship.
In 1877 repair of the temple began and a monastery set up 80 yards from
the temple. The  Anglo-Burmese war broke out, the place came under the
control of the Govt. and mahant. The temple became a Hindu temple.

In 1890, "Asia-lover" Edwin Arnold appealed for the site to be
handed over to the Buddhists. A Sri Lankan, Dharmapala, began
a campaign to regain the site. The British, allegedly pressured
the mahant not to give or sell land to teh Buddhists.

Then there were clashes between the mahant and Buddhists, and
court cases. In 1901 & 1902, the Japanese,      tried to negotiate
with mediation from Swami Vivekananda and Surendranath Tagore.
Failed, apparently the british resented japanese involvement.

In 1906, the mahant filed a case t expel the buddhist monks, the
court ordered ejection. Among those who supported Dharmapala
against the mahant's demand was Rabindranath TAgore.

In 1922, the Indian National Congress and the Bihar Hindu
Mahasabha supported Dharmapala, and launched a reconciliation
committee head by Rajendra Prasad. In 1924, it reached agreement,
letting Hindus and Buddhists freedom to worship there, and
management being in the hands of a mixed committee. But some
Buddhists rejected the first point.

In 1935, another proposal was made by the Bihar Hindu Sabha which
however was scuttled by the Shankaracharya of Puri.

in 1949 the Bihar legislature passed the BodhGaya Temple Act,
basically the 1924 plan. On May 28, 1953, at 5:30 AM the Bodh
Gaya temple management was ceremonially handed over to the
management committee.

I wonder what has gone wrong now.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Death of a Poet
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165726.15147@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
>>
>>  On January 9, the house of a young Telugu poet in the old city of
>>  Hyderabad was raided by a band of communalists. They stabbed him
>>  his wife and his child. The woman died immediately, the poet on the
>>  way to the hospital. The orphaned boy is in the hospital, dangling
>>  between life and death.  Communal frenzy does not know what it claims.
>Arun, Can you please find out from any source what is the state of this
>boy and if he needs any help. Then probably we can do something usefull
>instead of wasting time on intellectual discourse
>Arindam
>
And Raj will probably tell how "Hindus" are going to tackle such a case.
How are they going to fight this evil of communalism. I showed what the
Bahais would do.  How the Hindus are going about integrating all the faiths
and making a strong India
Do something , don't dream
Arindam
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Don't fly on Air India
Date: 14 Aug 1992 12:54:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Among other things Balu writes:

I was particularly enraged by one incident.  I was trying to get a one-way
ticket from India to the USA, when ticket prices rocketed 30% on every airline
in less than 10 days without prior notice.  When I asked British Airways and
Delta, I was told that the Indian Government was responsible.  Due to poor
demand on Air-India, they had asked all airlines flying to India to raise their
air fares to be on par with what Air-India ticket prices were at that time.

This, without any improvement in the quality of the airline...sheesh...

Balu

____________________________________________________________

  That is ridiculous - total nonsense. Have you heard of APEX fares from India
- do you know that ALL IATA airlines offer EXACTLY the same fare for your case
- ie. one way ticket to the US. And that any discount that you get is courtesy
your travel agent. Or undercutting from a non-IATA airline (e.g. Thai). You've
obviously believed some crap someone told you - the least you could do is to
verify before you join the denigrate-India-and-Air-India campaign.
  My brother travels reasonably frequently between Europe and India - he swears
by Air India - he thinks their food is the best and the service is most 
courteous. He thinks it's even better than Singapore Airlines. In fact, once he
got a little pally with an air-hostess and she said that the European sector
was the most comfortable - passengers were genial and well-mannered. But she
had some very tough words for the American Sector passengers - they are less
pliable than EVEN the Gulf Sector passengers - in her opinion. Well, it looks
as if there is no love lost between the in-flight staff of Air India and its
passengers on the American Sector - I'm sure that's not the fault of the in-
flight staff alone. If Indians only tried being a little less demanding and a
lot more courteous..................

Sudhama
From: gsnreddy@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (G S N Reddy (Sathya))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Capitation fee - Reservations
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:21:54 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens
Originator: gsnreddy@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Here are Some of the points mentioned in the Significant judgement of the Supreme Court on the Capitation fee.

"it is not permissible in law for any educational institution to charge capitation fee(by whatever name it is called) as a consideration for admission to the said institution."

"there is no escape from the conclusion that charging of capitation fee in consideration of admissions to educational institutions is wholly arbitrary and as such infracts Article 14 of the Constitution"(equality before law).

"the capitation fee brings to the fore a clear class basis. It enables the rich to take admissions whereas the poor has to withdraw due to financial inability. A poor student with better merit cannot get admission because he has no money whereas the rich can purchase the admission. Such a treatment is patently unreasonable, unfair and unfit."

"The students are given admission to the educational institutions -- whether State-owned or State-recognised -- in recognition of their "right to education under the Constitution"."

The main purpose of this posting is I want to know whether some of the points mentioned can be applied in the case of Reservations.

Expecting some good replies.

-Sathya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian