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From: Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MultiTos redraw problem
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:27:04 GMT
Reply-To: p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet!Vincent_Partington@nextjk.wlink.nl
X-FSC-PID: LED 1.00

In a message of <Wed 23 Dec 92 15:04>, Luc Castermans (2:281/202.0) writes:

 LC> I want to force a redraw on the INFO-line in a
 LC> window. To do that I calculate the x,y,w,h of
 LC> that part and than do an form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...)
 LC> call. The code looks like this:
 LC> 
 LC> void redraw_info(void)
 LC> {
 LC>   /* fill dimensions of INFO line in window */
 LC>   ...
 LC>   form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...);
 LC> }
 LC> 
 LC> void redraw(GRECT *area_ptr)
 LC> {
 LC>   redraw_info();
 LC> 
 LC>   /* walk rectangle list below here */
 LC>   .....
 LC> }
 LC> 
 LC> Upon a WM_REDRAW request redraw() is called.
 LC> 
 LC> 
 LC> This works fine under TOS.
 LC> 
 LC> I have a MultiTos version. Now this redraw
 LC> piece of code seems to come into a infinite loop. For
 LC> some reason the AES keeps on sending WM_REDRAW messages
 LC> after the first form_dial call.
 LC> 
 LC> I trust the MultiTos I have. Now: what is the only and
 LC> only good way to do what I want to do ??

Obviously TOS sends you redraw-messages even when you (think you) only
requested a redraw for the infobar. But how do you calculate the
coordinates for the infobar? Maybe you're a pixel of and then a WM_REDRAW
message get sent and then ouy request a redraw etc. etc.
But WHY would you want to force a redraw of the infobar? It gets redrawn
automatically? Or do you change the contents of the string containing the
info-line? The only good way to change the info-line is using wind_set(wh,
WF_INFO, ...). This will also force a redraw of the info-line. And I
suggest NOT doing this in the redraw-handling but when you actually change
the info-line.
Hope it helps.

Ta!
    Vincent

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:18:20 EST
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett

In article <725809675.24154@zooid.guild.org>, ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
says:
>
>From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
>>
>>And your 486 cost about $1,500 more than the ST.  $1,500 more than
>>some of us can afford or are willing to pay for a computer.
>>
>
>Oddly enough, $1500 CDN is *exactly* what a friend paid a couple weeks ago for
>his 486-33 system.  That's including tax, and also including an SVGA monitor,
>a 105 meg hard disk, 3.5 & 5 1/4" floppies, 4 meg of ram, 512k SVGA card,
>etc...
>
>The pricing for clones is getting rather scarey, isn't it?

And right here in America, US $899 will buy you a 20Mhz 486SX, 2 MB memory
SVGA monitor, 85 MByte hard drive from chain store Montgomery Ward...

Today's magic atari password is "tick, tick, tick..."

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: keiths@Cadence.COM (Keith Sabine)
Subject: Re: Falcon with 68882.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:35:40 GMT

In article <1f09bnINNkbo@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
>In <1992Nov24.184524.3830@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>
>>The addition of an FPU such as the 68882 does not speed up a machine.  It
>>only helps crunch floating point math operations _if_ the software is
>>written so as to address an FPU if one exists.
>
>True, the mere addition of an FPU doesn't speed up anything,  the
>FPU  has  to  be  used  by  the  software, otherwise it's utterly
>useless. But if the software using the FPU ist the OS itself, the
>addition of an FPU can very well lead to a general speedup.


A FPU like the 68881/68882 does what the name says, i.e. floating
point (number crunching to you) calculations. Now what does an OS
do? It manages directories, files etc, all pretty mundane stuff,
and all character or integer - based. So if the OS doesn't do
floating point calculations (and lots of them) them you won't get
any speed up.

So what sort of things would benefit from a FPU? Well, 3D graphics
(where you need to calculate trig functions which are a LOT faster
with the FPU), CAD packages and the like. Unless you are interested
in these sort of things (I am), then a 68881/2 is a waste of money.

Keith.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: pegasus@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Patricia Snyder-Rayl)
Subject: Announcing CONNECT
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:08:29 GMT

92Dec22.125005.3874@cc.umontreal.ca>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: sports game info wanted
From: erkamp@janus (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:22:20 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@janus
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <BzBLtD.GsG.1@cs.cmu.edu>, gael@caboose.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Gillette Elvgren III) writes:
>
>I am interested in getting my younger brother a sports game for
>the ST.  He is especially interested in football & soccer.  Can
>anyone tell me what is available?  I would be interested in reviews
>of such games if possible.
>
>  Also is BattleZone available for the ST, and is it any good?
>

I have BattleZone for the Atari and find it to be very similar to the arcade 
version. I think it is acutually put out by Atari (can't recall).

Bob
From: georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For sale: Okimate 20 printer, Printmaster Plus, EasyDraw
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:44:47 GMT
Reply-To: georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon, USA

Printmaster Plus	  $15
    Make greeting cards, etc.  Works with most 9-pin printers and Okimate 20.

EasyDraw 2.0		  $15
    Drawing program from Migraph.  Works with Epson FX and Okimate 20.

Okimate 20 color printer  $60
    My kids used this a lot for color screen dumps when they were younger, but
    they're into DTP now, so I bought a 300 DPI printer.  This is the Atari ST
    version of the printer, which emulates Atari SMM804 graphics (basically
    Epson 9 pin) as well as doing color screen dumps and 24-pin NLQ text.
    Included: 2 1/2 black ribbons, 1 1/2 color ribbons, and about 250 sheets of
    fanfold paper.  Does *NOT* include printer cable (it uses a standard
    Centronics cable - about $10 from any computer store).  Also, the current
    print head has one of the 24 pins burned out; new ones cost about $20 by
    mail order and just snap into place.  I'll enclose an order form from the
    company that sells paper, ribbons, and print heads.

All of the above come with original boxes and manuals, and I'll pay shipping
in the continental U.S.  (I live in Oregon.)

George.S.Walker@tek.com  *OR*  georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
*OR*  uunet!tektronix!tekig1.pen.tek.com!georgew
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Ultima 5 - Can anyone help!?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:50:00 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Okay, after quite some time, for some odd reason, the U5.PRG file
in the AUTO folder of the Ultima 5 boot disk, has died.  (The program
managed to overwrite it somehow with a saved game!)

I have looked on the disk, and it is *gone*!  (e.g.  I've used a disk
editor/undelete utilitiy to look at it - it's not there!)


If anyone with this game could UUencode and E-Mail this file to me, 
I'd be *VERY* grateful!  (I don't have a backup, as apparently making
backups for personal use is illegal).  But, it's not a lot of use
without this file, and not a lot of use JUST with that one file, 
(as it's only the booter - and there's another 2 disks, and other
data files on the boot disk).

Any help would be great!

(If anyone thinks I'm trying to pirate it somehow, then I can give you
word X of paragraph X page X   or some such thing!
(I've got the map, coin, book, reference sheet, disks, and diary).
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: RE: GIF/RAW/RCS/SPC ETC.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:15:40 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

I haven't used it with GIFs that were less than 320x200, so I was unaware of
this problem.  As for the quality of pictures on my humble STE, it is
excellent.

>>>

If the GIF's are below 320*200, just use the 'select area' option in
Pchrome, it will keep it's original resolution, but the colors will improve.

(In past experience, it's a bad idea to stretch GIF's to larger than original
size on the ST, it makes them look odd).

Saw this *incredible* Black&White GIF viewer for the mac', amazing, you could
have a 320*200 GIF, expand it to around 500*400 or some such thing, and lose
no noticable quality AT ALL!  You could also shrink it, save it, and reload
it, then stretch it again, and the quality would be almost identical.
I think it was M-GIF or something (not the ST version of course), but I 
can't remember.  Amazing program!  (It would of course convert color GIF's
into grey-shades)

 =============================================================================
 | O O    If I told you how much I needed this,            |       |||       |
 |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
 =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================

Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:19016 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6423
From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: QUESTION: Syquest 44 boot
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:42:26 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR



  Question:

   I just got a Syquest 44 removable HD for Xmas and I am running into a
curiosity.  When the drive gets up to speed and I turn on the ST, it boots to
floppy, but from then if I reset it, it boots from the 44!  It is strange and I
have no problem with it, I just find it a little confusing.  Oh, by the way, it
is a SCSI 44 with the LINK attached.

Any help in this querry isgreatly appreciated.

Mark Santora
Dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Scheduler-type program for ST?
Keywords: calender, schedule, alarm
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:42:53 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1993Jan1.103849.10186@newstand.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
>Does anybody know of a scheduler/calendar/alarm-type program
>for the ST?  (You know, something with a caldndar that you can
>keep appointments in, with memos and alarms for meetings,
>etc...sort of like the kind of thing that is part of PCTools.)
>Maybe it would have a sort of electronic rolodex as part of
>it?

I use Calendar 6.3 by Bill Aycock.  It's really, really good.  It's shareware,
so you have to send in money if you use it; mine's coming. :^)  

It has a lot of features and I like its reminder feature much better than
Cardfile's, which I also own.  I put in appointments, meeting dates, and 
all sorts of stuff like that.
 
If you want the Rolodex, get Cardfile.  It's excellent in its own right.  
Cardfile is commercial by Gribnif and it's up to version 4.03.  I just don't
like it's calendar section; I use Calendar 6.3 for that.

-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
From: dgray@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GFA Basic 3.0
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:14:33 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer User Services
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu


If you have a copy of 3.0, I might be very interested in buying it
from you.  Please let me know if you have one...

-dennis
--
Dennis Gray, Jr.                                        DGray@uh.edu
"You askin' to become a pile of zeros?  I could put you away so good
that Peter Norton couldn't find you with his arms unfolded."
			  - Lincoln Spector
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Re: Second floppy on Falcon
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 22:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.053538.22848@uunet!scarrow> root@uunet!scarrow (Superuser) writes:
>Even if they didn't run the trace from the Yamaha for DS1 (vs. DS0) ...

They did.  Build your own cable to the outside and you're in business.

-- Volker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Demo-makers
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> Are there any Demo-maker programs for the ST?  I know that a few exist
> for the Amiga (just by reading thru COMP.SYS.AMIGA.DEMOS), but I don't
> own an Amiga.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Well, someone from 'Unit-17' is around here somewhere, (where's that
8-voice tracker guys!? 8-)
From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:34:07 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <11508@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
> The DSP is a sound processor, making the Falcon very attractive to
> musicians.

Wrong. Please don't state things like this that you obviously have 
no clue about. The DSP56001 IS NOT A SOUND CHIP!!!!!

This is from the Motorola Technical Data book on the DSP56001 (you
should read this before you talk about the chip. Maybe this should
be in a FAQ list? Is there a FAQ list?)

-------------------
DSP56001 24-Bit General Purpose Digital Signal Processor

The DSP56001 is a member of Motorola's family of HCMOS, low-power, 
general purpose Digital Signal Processors. The DSP56001 features 512
words of full speed, on-chip program RAM (PRAM) memory, two 256-word
data RAMs, two preprogrammed data ROMs, and special on-chip bootstrap
hardware to permit convenient loading of user programs into the program
RAM. It is an off-the-shelf part since the program memory is user
programmable. The core of the processor consists of three execution
units operating in parallel - the data ALU, the address generation
unit, and the program controller. The DSP56001 has MCU-style on-chip
peripherals, program and data memory, as well as a memory expansion
port. The MPU-style programming model and instruction set make writing
efficient, compact code, straightforward.

The high throughput of the DSP56001 makes it well-suited for 
communication, high-speed control, numeric processing, computer
and audio applications.
-------------------

The databook is huge, 70-80 pages, so I'm not going to type much
more, but the following is interesting:


-------------------
Speed:        At 13.5 million instructions per second (MIPS) with a
              27 MHz clock, the DSP56001 can execute a 1024 point
              complex Fast Fourier Transform in 2.45 milliseconds.
Precision:    The data paths are 24 bits wide thereby providing 144 dB
              of dynamic range; intermediate results held in the 
              56-bit accumulators can range over 336 dB.
Parallelism:  The data ALU, address arithmetic units, and program
              controller operate in parallel so that an instruction
              prefetch, a 24x24-bit multiplication, a 56-bit addition,
              two data moves, and two address pointer updates using
              one of three types of arithmetic (linear, modulo, or
              reverse carry) can be executed in a single instruction
              cycle.
-------------------   

- kn
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ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: Serial Connection
Reply-To: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:52:08 +1200

Forwarded message.....

=================================================================

In <Win_J_Moore.6df5@equinox.gen.nz>, Win J Moore writes:
     
My brouther wants to know how to write to the RS 232/ centronics ports
Using his Atari with pascal. The program he is using is Personal pascal, it
is not shareware so should be pretty standard, I guess.
I have left the rest of this message intacked as it is very closley related
to what I have just asked. Brother should pay the money he's the one
wanting the info.

================================================================

Reply in this newsgroup.

 Thanks,
  Craig.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: What makes a computer "exciting"..?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:28:00 GMT

In article @longus.north.de, hank@longus.north.de (Derk Haendel) writes:
>
>I've bought my Computer, because of the SM124 flickerfree-monochromemode!
>The many things I can do with my old MST 4 / TOS 1.2 serve me well, but
>since I do a lot of DTP now, I'd love to get a faster Computer, without
>changing the Software ;-)

Why not consider an accelerator board for your MST 4?  There are a slew of
options available to you from ICD, Fast Technology, and Gadgets by Small
not to mention some of the European accelerator boards.

>Excuse my bad English   HANK

No worries, Hank... your English is great!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: castermn@nlsce1.seri.philips.nl (Luc Castermans)
Subject: MultiTos redraw problem
Organization: SERI-CEN Network Services, Philips C&P, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:04:08 GMT

I want to force a redraw on the INFO-line in a 
window. To do that I calculate the x,y,w,h of
that part and than do an form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...)
call. The code looks like this:

   void redraw_info(void)
   {
       /* fill dimensions of INFO line in window */
       ...
       form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...);
   }

   void redraw(GRECT *area_ptr)
   {
       redraw_info();

       /* walk rectangle list below here */
       .....
   }

   Upon a WM_REDRAW request redraw() is called.


This works fine under TOS.

I have a MultiTos version. Now this redraw
piece of code seems to come into a infinite loop. For
some reason the AES keeps on sending WM_REDRAW messages
after the first form_dial call.

I trust the MultiTos I have. Now: what is the only and
only good way to do what I want to do ??


Thank you in advance,


Luc Castermans

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: BART adress wanted
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> I've forgotten BART's email adress! Tried several stuff but can't remember
> Things like mail-server@archive.umich.edu don't work... help!

Presuming you want atari-archive.

atari@atari.archive.umich.edu

is the address.  Then, put whatever you want in the subject line, and
then assume that you are in the atari/ directory.  

Remember to use

sendb [path/s]/[filename.ext]

for binary files, and

send
(filename etc.)

for ascii files!


 =============================================================================
 | O O    If I told you how much I needed this,            |       |||       |
 |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
 =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================

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