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From: andy@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com (Andy Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman's fate according to Entertainment Tonight!
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:49:44 GMT
Organization: Nosferatu U.
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I am reminded of the Flintstones episode where the flying saucer
landed and created several Fred clones, all of which were able to
get into heaps of trouble. It was a great episode; hopefully DC
will be able to live up to it....


[robotically] Yabba Dabba Doo!

Andy.

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVEN-CLAUS)
Subject: LNH:  And that's a wrap!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:36:19 GMT

Well folx, in 4 hours, I'll be boarding a big jet plane to whisk me home, and 
alass, away from the net. >sigh<

I want to say it's been a great semester!  Both with plain r.a.c.* and esp.
with the LNH!!!!   We've started someting that probably won't stop till we've
all been arrested!

Some stuff:

I'll be reposting the FAQ.  It IS NOT UPDATED.  After break, I will have the
NEW FAQ, complete with updates, new info, and the Jameel bio in the ELDERS
section!

Also (hopefully) after break, I will be posting the NEW USER-FRIENDLY roster!
This of course depends on wReam getting the update to me.

BTW, If anyone REALLY needs to get in touch with me, wReam knows how.  

Also, on wReam, I hereby appoint wReam official (rem: that means that I said it)
Spokesperson for the LNH, durring break.  What, you didn't know we had one? 
Well, it's sorta how the .net at large percieves us.  I was the first called up
in the great flame war, and thus sorta became the rep.  Basically, if something
springs up over break, I want wReam to be civil, nice, etc. and end it quickly.
PLEASE DO NOT START ANY WARS OVER X-MAS!

I'll be redoing LURK OF FAITH Pt.1 and finishing the rest over break.  Lurk, er
look for it!

MiKE, I need you to re-write the Launchpad file when you can.  I lost the one
you sent me, and I want it for the FAQ.

Everybody have a good, fun, and safe Hollidaze!

C.U. in Jan.

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From: rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Brad Rosser)
Subject: Superman HOLY TERROR reference?
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Keywords: Holy Terror
Reply-To: rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Brad Rosser)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:45:52 GMT

A couple of weeks ago someone posted an article on previous "death of
Superman" stories, and referred to a HOLY TERROR story/comic/episode.

This sounds like something I've missed ... would someone be able to
provide me with information or a reference?

Thanks,

Bradley Rosser
rosser@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: test
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:16:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1992Dec17.214338.12961@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
>-- 
>John P. LaRocque
>skywalker@uwo.ca
>University of Western Ontario
>London, Ontario

Did I pass?

	--MikE...sorry, couldn't help it.



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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:50:50 EST
From: Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: I'm bored - gimme something to read

My weekly trips down to the comic shop used to be my favorite time
of the week - pick up everything by Marvel on the shelf, go home,
lock myself in my room, and read for hours.  Now, there are a
grand total of two books that I actually wait for with baited
breath - Cerebus and Sandman.  Oh, I also read Hellblazer (which
varies SO much from issue to issue and storyline to storyline that
I never know if buying it is a good idea or not), X-Factor and
the Incredible Hulk (ok, I'm a PAD junkie - sue me) - but that
just about covers all of my regular subscriptions.  I mean, I used
to get all of the X-titles, all of the Spiderman titles, both
Avengers, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, all of the JL* books...
but now reading more than a page of any of the above books makes
me want to spew.  My entire purchase this week was for Gregory II -
and I bought that as a Christmas present for a friend (after reading
it myself, of course :-).

My question for you all is - what can I read?  I need a book that's
published on a regular basis (Hepcats is nice - but just how long
do I have to wait for the next issue?) that will either 1) make
me laugh 2) make me think or 3) just plain old interest me.  In
other words - if you read Cerebus and Sandman, what else do you
read?

Thanks...
--
Steve Murray  |  SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu  |  murr@dev-null.phys.psu.edu
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the nicest parts of hell / I still dream of lips I never should have kissed
Well she knows exactly what I can't resist - NIN
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From: wiz@maths.tcd.ie (Oisin Murphy-Lawless)
Subject: Nergal
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:00:26 GMT






Isn't Nergal just non-exeistant now. I mean, when JC trapped him in heaven, the
angels made pretty short work of him didn't they. So how come Nergals corpse 
shows up in Hell with Satan. I don't know about the rest of you, but i feel the
Satan thing was a quick way on Garths behalf of getting out of saying John 
bested Lucifer. I mean, a bit contrived to come up with another eternal evil
after the last one decided to quit completely. Ah well.......

             
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| Dublin             /--/--/---'92   |  in the name of god would you want to  |
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:43:31 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec10.182705.20882@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
>    I'm also weary of Denys Cowan's use of the word 'multi-cultural' and
>diverse.  I don't think that describes Milestone very well.  While Milestone
>might prove to bring comics 'to another level', its not 'multi-cultural'.
>From what I've seen its all blacks.  That's not bad in itself.  In fact its
>great that another culture can be better presented in the mainstream, however
>its far from 'multi-cultural'.  I'd like to see more of an integration of the
>many so called 'minorities' with white character.

The planned second wave of Milestone titles includes Hispanic and Asian
characters, as well as women, in prominent roles on the bristol-board as
well as behind it.  (Not to mention gay men and lesbians. Note that
the co-author of their lead group title, the title of which I'm
not trying to remember, is Ivan Velez, Jr., the Hispanic gay
author/artist of "Tales of the Closet," a beautiful and powerful
slice-of-life book about teenage coming-out; I think their intended
diversity is no empty claim.)
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "idiot field" (Doomsday)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:23:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1ge1vcINNq4s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) says:
>>"Doomsday exudes an "idiot field" as his most potent power, which seems
>> to be able to reach the writers as well."
>>  -Michael Lee Jacobs
>As I've said before, Spider Man has used this
> power on numerous occasions.  It's managed to
> permeate nearly the entire superhero genre.

Maybe whatever he uses to stick to walls is leaving an energy residue that
causes idiotism, and he's been spying on DC for Marvel, and...nah, too far
fetched!
	--MikE...stranger things have happened, tho. 

-- 
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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Al Columbia(Re: Signal to Noise GN)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:32:50 GMT
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Neurotic Bob (danl@next03wor.wam.umd.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec8.170918.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>  writes:
:  
: > One more brief note: Has anybody seen a Tundra GN drawn and written by  
: Al
: > something-or-other? The art is such a ripoff of McKean's that it's sick.
: > 
: > -pat
: >  
: Nope.  Ya missed the boat.  Al Columbia's work is a rip-off of Bill  
: Sienkiewicz' style.  Whether or not Dave McKean rips off Billy S. is up to  
: conjecture, although I think that the styles are disparate enough to say  
: "no" to that.  As far as Al's work resembling Dave's...not really, IMO.

AL Columbia's solo book *is* a ripoff of McKean.  Looks like he's
something of a chameleon.

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
From: reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Reiniger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Seeking IRONMAN gif
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:36:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Back maybe a year ago, I got a GIF of Ironman from either this newsgroup
or from an FTP site.  I just discovered the other day, that the disk on
which I kept that picture has been lost, so I was hoping maybe someone could
email me that picture.  It featured all the different suits Ironman
had worn.

Thanks,
  Darren

-- 
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| where it came from in the first place.                                      |
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Desert Peach
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:38:24 GMT

Is this the end of Desert Peach??

DP 18 just came out, and it was all text & portfolio with one short
cartoon.  [Incidentally, anyone know how to turn a comic page into a
T-shirt?  I want a copy of "How would you feel about war..."]  The MU
Xmas issue seemed to put a final cap on the DP story--very sad.  

Any more info on the future of the series would be appreciated.

Also, did anyone manage to see the stage play?  If so, I'd love to
see a synopsis.  DP18 reprints the program and song list, but says
nothing of the plot.

Thanks.
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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Is SANDMAN Literature?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:14:56 GMT
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In article <1992Dec10.183132.12583@news.nd.edu> mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
> ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard O. Rouse III) writes:
>
>|> Help!  I'm trying to get a review published in the University of Chicago's
>|> Chicago Literary review of Sandman Seasons of Mists.  But the highly 
>|> conservative managing editor doesn't want to print it because he says it is 
>|> not literature. ...
>
>I'm sorry, really I am. It's just that I don't have the stamina to read the 
>umpty-up followups that your question (a somewhat serious one) is going to
>generate. Besides, it sounds like you need a new approach to your editor,
>not new arguments.

I think Michael is right.  Don't try to convince him of the merits of
Sandman, try to show him how reviewing such a work (regardless of its
"status") has merits.  If objects on purely formal grounds you may be
out of luck; would he run a film review?  If not, you could appeal to
his sense of fairness and claim that comics aren't recognized as a
subform of any particular medium, and that lit is as good as any
other.  If his object isn't formal but one of merit, then I don't know
how to argue for Season of the Mists.  I didn't think it was good
enough to warrant a write-up in a scholarly review (although I may
have missed something).
-- 
Ken Small           
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:28:03 GMT

c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (???) writes:
: >: >
: >: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
: >: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
: >: 
: >And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
: >"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
: >double standard, no?
: 
:   I don't know about that, though it would be completely ridiculous.  Whites
: already _have_ power.  Black's have been enslaved, discriminated against,
: oppressed, ... (all the stuff you've heard a million times).  Black Power
: is a call to have Black People raise to a position of true equality with
: whites, by helping their own to move up as opposed to helping the ones that
: are holding them down.  No more, no less.
:   This isn't really a discussion I want to get into, but I thought it was
: worth mentioning.
: 
: Mikel B.

And what, pray tell, does "power" have to do with the simple observation that
a slogan deemed acceptable with the word "Black" becomes totally unacceptable
with the word "White" substituted?

:... by helping their own to move up as opposed to helping the ones that
: are holding them down.  No more, no less.
... is a manifestation of racism and a form of discrimination.

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Why does PAD *stay* on the net?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.143622.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 	Given the fact that we netters seem to be a terrible and
> nasty bunch all around, why do you *stay* on the net?

Because we always say nice things about him.

Whether they're true or not has been the subject of many flamewars...
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:18:33 GMT

In article <1gphf0INNeb@access.usask.ca> vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem) writes:
>
>The being Constantine pissed off is the Satan of the Old Testement, i.e.,
>the Tempter....
>
>Why the angels running Hell haven't stepped on The Tempter hasn't been
>mentioned; maybe he is third in power only to Lucifer and God.

Not that I read Hellblazer, but...

Maybe the angels haven't confronted Satan because they're in
different lines of work. Satan's job is to test the living. The
angels's job is to torment the dead. All three of them are
working for God.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
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From: emery@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Scott Emery ACF)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:43:55 GMT

>In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>>: >
>>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>>: 
>>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>>double standard, no?
>>
>
>What double standard?
>
>Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

	Hell yes! There ARE oppressed caucasians out there!

	Caucasians are over-represented among the powerful, but there
is more than enough oppression to go around. Approx. 30% of the street
people are Caucasian (or I have seriously mangled some statistics I have
heard).  Flip side, the majority are black. I presume that Croatian
is close enough to Caucasian... My point, careful what you assume.

	Go ahead, flame me. I really do know better than to stick my
nose into this topic.

>-------
>Scowling Jim Cowling
>Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
>-------

Scott Emery
emery@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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The being Constantine pissed off is the Satan of the Old Testement, i.e.,
the Tempter. DC deals with Hell by having all the various religions'
concept of Great Evil as different demons (Beelzebub is different from
Belial, who is different from Lucifer Morningstar, etc.). 

The Tempter is the first resident of Hell, King of the whole lot until
Lucifer showed up. His power pales in comparison with Lucifer's, so he was
under control unter Messr. Morningstar quit his job.

Why the angels running Hell haven't stepped on The Tempter hasn't been
mentioned; maybe he is third in power only to Lucifer and God.
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:35:09 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
>: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
>: >
>: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
>: 
>And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
>"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
>double standard, no?

No.

Many of us believe that "racist" is not the same as "discriminatory" and
that treating people "equally" perpetuates the inequities already in place.
People who are underadvantaged must be given a leg up in order to *eventually*
compete on an equal footing, due to the racism inherent in our culture.

Political scientists who write about "theory of oppression" offer that, in
order for an "ism" to exist, two things are required: discrimination and
power.  That is, discrimination by the group in power against the group
out of power constitutes an "ism"; discrimination by the group out of power
against the group in power does not.
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:26:29 GMT

upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham) writes:

>ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>  I don't have my issues on hand, but I thought that it was either
>>stated or indicated that Lucifer was more powerful than Satan. Satan
>>could not take on the other two members of the triumverate alone and
>>survive, but Lucifer probably could. 

>Apparently not.  This is from "Hellblazer" #59, page 23:

>  Ellie: ``They say that he'd been there since creation began, that he
>           was first to BE, and the Redeemer threw him out of heaven
>           for daring to think for HIMSELF...  Lucifer had been the
>           greatest of the archangels, and HE could never match such
>           power. . .but the Morningstar is GONE. . .and now there NO
>           ONE in HIS way...''

I'd interpret that quote differently.  Satan could never match the
power that Lucifer, as the greatest of archangels, could command.
But now that the Morningstar is gone, the path is clear for
Satan (who is presumably the next most powerful creature in hell)
to take over.


--
Ramez Naam
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