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Tim Reed writes:
>My daughter caught this while watching the program last night.
>When Picard talks to his 'dad' (Riker), he says he wants to be able
>to play games on the computer in 'schoolroom 8'. Riker manages to
>free the computer. When Picard views the screen, if you look in the
>upper left hand corner, it says 'classroom 7'. Is this an OOPS?

The obvious answer is that Picard was using '1-based' arithmetic when
he spoke to Riker, but the computer displayed the classroom number as
zero-based.  No problemo.

Brian
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Yesterday's E footage AGAIN!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 01:40:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Nov8.003658.279@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>Minor spoilers for "Rascals"

>Anyone else out there think that this _constant_ re-use of the model
>footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise" is wearing just a wee bit thin?

What other episodes have re-used YE footage?  Not that I don't think it
hasn't been done, but just that none seem to come to mind.

>Many of you have wondered why it was only two Klingon cruisers, and why
>it was Klingon cruisers at all....the answer is budget!

Yep.  And some of it didn't even *fit* very well.  Remember when the two
ships were closing in for the kill in YE, and since the Enterprise's shields
were long gone, you could see the shots hitting the hull (a detail I really
loved!).  Well they reused that scene in "Rascals" when the Enterprise
*still* had shields (and they still had 13% shields after those shots, if
I remember correctly).

I suppose they figured that they paid SOOO much money for YE that they might
as well try to squeeze everything they can from it, but it's still lame.

>Steven.K.Manfred

Felix Ling
--
   Pulaski walked to the Turboshaft doors, stepped in, and plummeted down
ninety-nine floors, yelling, "Dammit, Jean-Luc! I'm a doctor, not a skydiver!"
She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen, and I can't get
up!"
   "She's dead, Jean-Luc," announced Dr. Beverly Crusher.
                                -excerpt from "Still Looking for Things"

From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:56:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
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>her people, but does not seem to believe it herself.  Can any one think of
>a Starfleet person who did worship a supernatural being?

Kirk, in the episode "Who Mourns for Adonais", says "We have no need for
gods. We find the one quite sufficient."  While not worship, it does
express the concept of 23rd century people still acknowledging God.

Brian
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
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Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Rescals"
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:16:15 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <griffita.721295053@sfu.ca> griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes:
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>This scene was outright painful, and it made so much of the episode seem so
>>pointless.  Admittedly, the ploys of Picard and company to retake the ship
>>was rather enjoyable (though I question the wisdom of using Alexander to help
>>them!), but it lost its teeth for much the same reason that "Brothers" was
>>a weaker episode due to the awfully constructed hijacking sequence.

>I actually rather liked the hijacking scene in "Brothers", I thought
>it was quite well done.  This one was much poorer though...

Well, certainly the one in "Brothers" was not NEARLY as bad as this was.
(After all, I gave "Brothers" what... a 'B'?)

>I'm sort
>of wondering why Riker had to re-establish the computer connection for
>Picard in the playroom.  Doesn't the captain have the authority to do
>this on his own ship?

I was wondering about this, but I can see reason for it.  If RIKER is the
one who locked out the command functions, then only RIKER can reinstate
them.  That way they don't have several officers who can reinstate them
trying to second-guess each other without being able to confer (which is
a strong possibility).

Now, you could easily argue that ANYONE with authority to lock them out
should be able to turn them back on.  But I don't see that one is necessarily
better than the other, except in specific situations (which couldn't be
guessed at beforehand for any individual ship).

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: All Ferengi Must Die!! (Rascals Spoilers)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 20:34:12 EST

   So far, almost every time we saw a Ferengi, they have commmitted acts
which most 20th century countries would take as an act of war.
   Thus, I think one of the following must be true:
 
   1): The Federation leaders are all quiche-eaters
   2): The Borg wiped out more of Starfleet than we thought
   3): The current Federation president was an ambassador to Ferengis,
and believes his "personal relationship" is enough to calm the Ferengis
down;
   4): Ferengis are blackmailing some of the high-level bureaucrats in the
Federation
 
   Seriously, even though the Ferengi alliance supposedly "disavowed"
their actions in "Rascals", what about "Peak Performance"? "Last Outpost"?
"The Battle"?  In all these episodes, the Federation should have imposed
harsh measures on the Ferengis, yet they do nothing.  Has diplomacy completely
become so inept in the 24th century?  Or even if the Federation is playing the
Ferengis against other powers such as Cardassians or Romulans, I can't believe
they would let the Ferengis get away with such blatant hostility within
Federation space.
      Junsok Yang
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From: kyrouz@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Bill Kyrouz)
Subject: If anybody from the ST:TNG crew is reading...
Keywords: TNG, Scripts
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:59:03 GMT

  I stopped reading this newsgroup because I wanted to be completely
(and I hoped pleasantly) surprised by "exciting new" episodes
of Star Trek: The Next Generation.  But if any of the people
involved with the production of it are reading this newsgroup--
I sincerely ask that you take a hard look at your writing team
and make some serious changes.
  This weeks episode, "Rascals", was one of the oldest sci-fi
cliches in the books:  I remember seeing "The Superfriends"
episodes with the same plot when I was 6.  After five and a half
seasons I find it rather saddening that the quality (and originality)
of an episode has to be so low.  I'll concede that the child-actors
were better than "Disaster",  and I have no objection to children
playing a role in a story-- what I want is a *story*.  Could
you either a) dump the whole writing team and start from scratch, b)
ask around for a prominent sci-fi (or drama) writer to pen an
epsidoe, or c) look into one of the many contributions from fans.
   All-holodeck episodes, plots and events strictly confined
to the ONE episode, and "mystery germ eats away at the enterprise"
episodes are beaten to death:  I sincerely ask that you get
some new blood on your team at Paramount.

  I have no problems with the regulat cast; they put on a fine show (though
I do think Alexander may be an exception-- but nobody's perfect) with
a fine script.

  An e-mail reply is welcome.  Thank you for your time and good
luck on the rest of the season and on Deep Space Nine.

Sincerely,

Bill Kyrouz


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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Keiko/Rosiland Chao trivia ?
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:10:35 GMT

In <BxHMMy.JGF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>Wasn't she also in a Quantum Leap episode from last season?

No, that was Tamlyn Tomita (assuming we're talking about the same
episode: she played a psychic who was going to be the next target of a
serial killer); she's going to be a major cast member of Babylon 5...
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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: "Dream Seasons"
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:35:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.192826.44449@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
>Notes on trial seasons (first) and bad seasons (sixth):
>
>	Whenever I see some episode that simple doesn't fall in line with 
>the true spirit of the Next Generation (as viewed by me, of course), I throw
>it off as a "Dream."
>
>	Because I don't want to have the world of the Next Generation that 
>exists in my imagination spoiled by bad episodes or even a whole season with 
>major incongruities, they become dreams, somehow.  Collective dreams, I don't 
>know.
 
  I take it one step further.  The ST universe that exists in my imagination
represents an age of discovery and exploration.  And there are no inconsis-
tencies or logical falicies to spoil my enjoyment of it.  For instance,
the big E spends most of its in some uncharted solar system somewhere.  It
doesn't waste its precious talents by shuttling diplomats.  My imaginary
E is a true Military/Exploration vessel.  The ship is crawling with 
Enlisted personnnel so Geordi and Data don't have to go poking around in
Jeffery's tubes.  Picards foes are of equal or nearly equal skill, and the E
can be expected to more than one shot in before the shields collapse.
  In my imaginary TNG universe, character conflict exists aboard the E, and
not everyone gets along with each other.  They have vision and ambition,
and they abhoar stagnation.  

  I hate this season.
>
>	The first season was the "Dream Season."  Especially, "The Naked 
>Now."  That was all a dream.  The sixth season is unfolding as another 
>"Dream Season."  If you're like me, you can guess why.
>	All this relative to the third season, which was what I deem as 
>truly superior in possibly every way.  The third season is the basis for my 
>obsession with the concepts presented in ST:TNG.
>
  Amen to that!  The third season is currently in its syndication run here
and I look foward to those episode more than the new ones because I know
that I'll at least see some top-notch ST.


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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: LOVE THEM TREKKIES
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:30:47 GMT

In article <9130@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)  
writes:
> 
> In article <Bx4Jvx.28G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,  
myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
> > In article <Bx4ILq.A4y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> npb41275@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Noah Ban) writes:
> 
> >>You would think that for a show that takes such time and effort into
> >>creating a consistent (reasonably) although completely fictional  
scientific
> >>theory would not forget something so *OBVIOUS*.
> 
> 
> >     First of all, here's something you should've included.  Dumb ass.
> 
>         {Blah, blah, blah}
>         
> >     Please watch the episode more closely before you waste our valuable
> > time again.  
> 
> 
> Yea, we're VERY BUSY people here!  We have time, however, to argue what
> is the CORRECT middle name of Captain James TERRY Kirk.
TIBERIOUS!---
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sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:11:26 -0500 
From: "Richard K. Shehady" <rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The Enterprise Sux

I have Never, to this day, seen the Enterprise beat an enemy warship of
comparable power.  Oh sure, they wasted a few tiny ships here and there,
but they've never beaten anyone of consequence.

I've seen the bridge get over-run several times, prisoners are always 
on the loose inside the ship, and they never get caught.  I know, I know,
these are powerful alien, etc, etc, but still...

If the enterprise is the flagship of the mighty Federation, shoudn't
if be able to handle two Klingon vessels piloted by Ferengi?  I know
the Enterprise is not technically a warship, but judging by the way
it is refered to, I'd assume it is a cruiser-class ship.  

In Rascals, Riker fired one phaser shot.  One.  What about photons?  
Aren't they supposed to be the real weapons?  This isn't the only case
I've seen this.  In Yesterday's Enterprise, there was one photon
shot, the rest was all phasers.  The photons didn't do anything special,
they just did shield damage or something.  If they can't load more then
one load of photons per battle, then its a useless weapon.

What about cloaking?  It seems to me, if a ship can creep up to the 
Enterprise undetected, then the Romulans SHOULD have taken over the Fed
by now, case closed.  

Maybe I'm missing details here and there, but really, its just pathetic
how badly the big-E has gotten its butt kicked time and again.

hmmm...I feel a little better now....


--------------------
Rick Shehady
rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Poor, poor, pitiful Worf
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 01:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.003352.29868@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
>

>
>I would have thought that losing to Guinan would have spurred Worf to new
>heights, practice becoming a major, central part of his life, but alas,
>that has apparently not been the case.
>

Wait -- when did he lose to Guinan?  I don't remember!

Firestar



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From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:46 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>
>This actually brings up something I've wondered
>about the "Star Trek Universe".  Why aren't their any BRAND 
>NAMES?  Like Velcro?  Like BUD LIGHT?
    
And along the same lines, why doesn't anyone ever have a favorite
performer/band/composer/song???  There have been many scenes
in which a crewmember asks the computer for some music for 
recreational purposes, and the requests are always generic, 
rarely pinning it down to anything more specific than "19th century 
guitar music."
  
Once, just once, I'd like them to have Riker ask for K'Tharpa's
interpretation of "The Saint's Go Marching In" or maybe LaForge
want to hear the latest album by that hot new Rigellian group The 
Ether Breathers.
 
  






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Subject: Re: Why is Data so limited?  LOOK, UP IN THE SKY, IT'S A BIRD, IT'S A
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:17:56 GMT
 <9477@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <1992Nov12.035150.12327@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

If I was going to design an android, I'd give him something special.
Something like X-RAY eyes.  Yea, that's it!  Also, I'd make him real strong.
Give him the strength of 10 men.  Then, I'd make him invulnerable.  You
could shoot him with an arrow and not hurt him.  Yea, that's the ticket.
I'd give him super hearing.  

Also he'd be able to fly!  Yea, and one more thing:  I'd give him a BIG RED
CAPE and put a big "S" on his chest too!

What?  Been done?  Oh, maybe THAT'S WHY Mr Data isn't so "enhanced".  You
don't want viewers thinking of him as SUPERMAN.  It would ruin too many
plots to have a superbeing on the Enterprise.

It's too bad they didn't think about "Q" the same way!

Terry "But he COULD have had a built in communicator" Wood
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From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Blooper in Rascals? *minor SPOILERS*
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:24:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov8.200657.8711@ac.dal.ca> 01lucas@ac.dal.ca writes:

>When I was re-watching Rascals, I noticed that when the Ferengis take over the 
>bridge and shoot Worf, Riker then dives away from nothing.  Maybe the phaser
>beam was close enough for him to jump away, but it sounded to me like the other
>Ferengi was firing.  Baybe he was firing at Riker, but the FX people forgot to
>include the beam nearly hitting Riker.  Antway, it looked kind of funny to see
>Riker jump away from nothing.

Yes, I agree.  Riker otherwise has no excuse for throwing himself across
the bridge.


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From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wimpy WORF
Keywords: Disgrace for Klingon Empire
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:50:16 GMT
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Originator: smintz@alamo


I keep expecting every race that has a grudge with the Klingons; to stop by the
enterprise, asking to beat up on thier whimpy klingon. The captain should sell
tickets..."beat the snot out of a klingon...one hundred credits!!! :)"
Stephen
From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:18:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
:)In <1992Nov10.193552.28757@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
:)>In article <1992Nov10.073856.11079@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
:)>>I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir

:)>>to duck.  Worf quickly activates his shield which reflects the 6 shots from
:)>THis makes its own comment on the quality of the writing and the
:)>editing.

:)Actually, from memory, I believe the shield was supposed to last some number
:)of seconds (15?).  So the trick was to activate it at the right time to
:)catch several bullets.

The shield was unstable and would probably not last more than 15 seconds.
It phased out a little less than 15 seconds. Getting off 6 shots in
that period of time is *easily* doable, as well as a few clicks for 
effect.

:)Did anyone VCR tape the episode to check, or should we just wait until
:)Saturday's repeat?

Or see if someone remembers?  :)

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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:16:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov7.055857.23693@netcom.com>, moe@netcom.com (Morris Bisted) writes...
>Spoilers for Rascals

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Now that the Enterprise has caught 2 Bird of Prey, hopefully the
>Federation will have the forethought to try and figure out how this
>technology works.  Then we won't repeatedly be pummeled with the
>tired plot device of the Bird of Prey de-cloaking in front of the
>Enterprise while its shields are down and immediately
>blasting away causing the injury of the enterprise and requisite
>heroic acts and "victory snatched from the jaws of defeat" endings
>that this theme has brought about.  
>	
>But no!!  The Federation has only had knowledge and actual possession 
>of the cloaking device since Kirk stole it in TOS (Did IBM get the
>development contract or what?).  
> 
>Morris 

It is my understanding that one loses the higher warp speeds and a great deal
of shield strength by having a cloaking device(not just using, but having one
installed).  The Federation has greater DEFENSIVE capabilities by having 
stronger shields and bieng able to outrun ships with cloaking devices.  The
Federation chose to have increased warp capability and shields instead of
the cloaking device.  I personally would rather have a greater chance at 
escaping without major losses than be able to 'sneak up' on a ship, especially
since I wouldn't be able to fire when cloaked.  (I don't know why the 'able to
fire when cloaked' model of cloaking device {ST:TUC} isn't being used).

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From: pcg@panix.com (Paul Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Wizard of Oz and TNG
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:00:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1di8qoINNs0n@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander) writes:

>Aside from the reference in "True Q", there was one time when Crusher
>was in some warp bubble and said "click three times and say 'no place
>like home' ". Any others?

In "The Schizoid Man," where a dying scientist takes over Data, the 
scientist whistles? "If I Only Had a Heart" from "The Wizard of Oz" movie.

Paul
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