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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:11:19 -0500 
From: "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" <bj00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
	<1992Nov15.175816.20761@infodev.cam.ac.uk>


    This thread is fascinating!

    I have lived in Pittsburgh (except for 3 yrs.) since 1975, and one
of the things I noticed at once when I moved here was the local dialect,
including the famous
    "The car needs worshed," or "The place really needs redd up."
    I was familiar with "redd up" as a phrase used also in northwestern
New Jersey, where I grew up, an importation from eastern PA, but I was
startled by the dropped "to be". Of course, many Scots-Irish settled in
Pittsburgh, so that is probably its historical origin. The local public
television channel had a program a month or so ago on the local accent
(although any Pittsburgher will tell you that North Siders sound
differently than Southside, and vice versa), and how it could possibly
affect employment, that is, was there a stigma on corporate levels
concerning the strength of the accent/capability of doing higher level
jobs. 
    Concerning the word "worsh" and the local "Worshington" (either DC
or a small town about 15 miles from Pittsburgh--there are quite a few
towns by that name in the US), my husband, who is from a very small town
near Washington, PA, told me that when he began attending the University
of Pittsburgh, he taught himself to pronounce both in the more standard
way because he was teased so much for sounding like a hick. 
    I have also noticed that my former mother-in-law, who was an
executive secretary before her retirement, spoke in one way in public
(at work or in more formal situations) than she did at home and among
her friends, and Standard English was exchanged for dialect almost
unconsciously. 

                                                            --Barra
From: mcmanus@pell.anu.edu.au (Aine McManus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Heard on the BBC
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:39:59
Organization: Australian National University
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In-reply-to: dowling@main.mndly.umn.edu's message of Tue, 3 Nov 1992 17:33:40 GMT


In article <dowling.8@main.mndly.umn.edu> dowling@main.mndly.umn.edu writes:

   The first national election in Ireland this year was the June
   referendum on Maastrict. I think the Beeb would have been more
   accurate to say " nationwide" rather than national.

A referendum is not an election! It was both national and nationwide,
(depending on your views on the North-eastern part of the island :) ) 
but people voted on an amendment to the Constitution, not to elect
anyone to any office. 
			,
			Aine
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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:48:05 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov4.150412.28319@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

>Do people actually believe this?  Remember the NI border was only drawn to
>give unionists an artificail majority, and what is stoppiong them from
>redrawing it again?

I made a rather hasty response to this question earlier, and I've
since been corrected by people who know far more about the subject
than I do, so I withdraw the earlier posting.  Apologies.


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From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: ANOTHER ELECTION (Rec.humor.Irish-politicians)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:20:58 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In article <1992Nov6.201358.20398@spock.retix.com> jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan) writes:
>I find it quite amazing that another general election has been called in 
>Ireland, especially considering the issues involved. I had been following the
>political crisis in Ireland last week and I'm sure like many others, I felt 
>the politicians were being childish, mindless, inconsiderate etc..
	Oh the days of old Haughty and Fitzfingers are over! Sychronistic
that they should both choose to retire on the same day. Now we have the
likes of Albert who use such vile words like "crap" and "shitty" on
nationwide TV! Looks like it is going to be a dirty election!
	A friend made the very valid comment: "What's the point in another
election? There is never anyone worth voting for."

>And what about our great and glorious leader Mary Robinson. She has shown a
>great desire to be a very active president. How about her gettin her ass home
>and preventing this unwanted election. I would like to see her perform her 
>most effective duty to date - tell the politicians of Ireland to cut out the
>petty party-political petulance and polemics and get on with the problems of
>the economy. 
	Sadly President Robinson is constrained by the law is what she can do.
Basically: "she can't do anything political". So telling the Irish politicians
just what they are would be right out. Personally I think she should return
from New Zealand in force and rally the nation in rebellion. I'd stand by
her has High King. She's got more sense that the rest of them combined.
				Jo Grant

_______________________________________________________________________________
Jo Grant			| VOTE MARY ROBINSON FOR HIGH KING!
jaymin@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie	| VOTE MARY ROBINSON FOR HIGH KING!
44 Bancroft Ave., Tallaght,	|  VOTE DUSTIN FOR TAOISEACH!
Dublin 24, IRELAND		|  VOTE DUSTIN FOR TAOISEACH!
From: ALG122@psuvm.psu.edu (One-of-Three)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Cookbooks or Recipes?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:33:19 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hello there, I am interested in finding some authentic recipes or perhapse a
cookbook that contains goodies from the old country. Sorry if I'm stepping on
some toes here I'm new at this posting thing.  Friends of mine and myself are
thinking of opening a restuarant that features medieval and Celtic food.  If
anyone has any suggestion where to find a cookbook or perhapse some favorite
recipes and how to go aboutserving them I would sincerely appreciate it.
Thank you. Blessed be.

Adrienne Gammons
ALG@PSUVM.PUS.EDU
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Irish music shows?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


	Does anyone know of any Irish music radio shows in my area? (I live
about twenty minutes west of Boston.) There is a good one called "Black
Jack Davy" on Monday nights on WBRS, the campus station, but they are such
a low-power station that sometimes I can't even get them in my dorm, which
is just down the hill from the studio. Are there any stations in my area
that people can recommend for Irish music shows? Thanks muchly.
						Jess
From: cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Political Phrases (Was Re: Census Statistics...)
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:06:49 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <A.Grant.13.720816956@ucs.cam.ac.uk>, A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
|> If you're suggesting that NI is becoming an increasingly Catholic country,
[...]
|> true of the Catholic population, on the UK mainland or anywhere else.)

I'm not bashing Alasdair with this posting, just exercising my "Followup"
abilities. How many persons on scc consider Northern Ireland a "country"
with all the trappings of the word? Everyone from NI I know terms it a
province (or includes the other 3 to consider Ulster so). The distinction for
me would be its ability/right/etc to "go it alone", something I wouldn't wish
to see based on the self-governing track record shown in the years 1921 to 1970.

Then this raises another verbal frog in the throat. For me, a citizen of the
Republic, the term "UK mainland" brings forth the oh-no reaction. This
phrase, forbidden to BBC reporters in Belfast but liberally used by their
London colleagues, is ambiguous.  Is it Great Britain (Eng, Scot, Wales, plus
Isle of Wight and other islands off the bigger right island) or is it Eng/Scot/
Wales landmass only? Or is it an example of the mindset best exemplified by 
the Times fog-in-channel-continent-cut-off headline of the twenties? I first
saw this phrase in the Belfast Telegraph being used as a sort of siege banner:
many Unionists considering NI as an island off Scotland with another island
called "Air-eh" to the south (and west) with which they had as little to do. But
has it spread! A similar southern Irl phrase is "the UK", as in "I'm off to the UK
this weekend". By this is not meant Enniskillen (part of aforementioned kingdom)
but some part of England, expressly excluding NI.

[ scb taken out of Newsgroups: line to avoid 55 million puzzled reactions... ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Re: House of Pain 
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:13:50 GMT

	Er, pretty much what they look like, unfortunately. My brother, who is
a great guy but has this stupid interest in rap, says that they are Irish
rappers from Boston. Personally, I thought that the song was okay, but that
the video was a total waste of airtime.
					Jess
"Are you hallucinating?"
"Yes, but not right now."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: What's the story? (was Re: Heard on the BBC)
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 13:17:20 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Nov2.194405.12062@maths.tcd.ie>, dwilkins@maths.tcd.ie (David
Wilkins) says:
>
>For those who haven't already heard, the practically certain
>break up of the coalition government results from the Taoiseach,
>Albert Reynolds, describing as "reckless, irresponsible and dishonest",
>the evidence of the Minister for Industry, Desmond O'Malley
>(leader of the PDs, the junior partner in the coalition), to
>the Beef Tribunal currently sitting at Dublin Castle to enquire
>into the goings on in this industry during the previous Fianna Fail
>administration, and in particular alleged irregularities regarding
>export guarantees for sales of beef to Iraq.

So are we or aren't we? Did they or didn't they?

Until quite recently, I'd been an admirer of the PDs, but they've recently
shown that they're more interested in avaoiding an election than keeping
FF in line. According to the pundits, they wanted Albert to make an utter
gobshite of himself at the Tribunal before any election might be called,
but I can't help having the sneaking suspicion that the fear of getting
a sound drubbing at the polls themselves played a small role in their
jumping through hoops recently (viz voting with FF on the referendum wording).

Of course, I'd already booked my flight home for the week before, so even
if some rat hadn't had my name taken off the register I wouldn't be able
to vote.

Anyone want to start a discussion about the article of the constitution
that guarantees all citizens of Ireland a vote 'subject to the laws enacted
by the Oireachteas'? That's the one the McGimpsey brothers should have
challenged. (Imagine Dr. Ian getting all the Unionists to claim Irish
Citizenship so they could vote in a referendum deleting Articles 2 & 3!)

Will anyone reading this in Ireland let us know ASAP whether Dessie and the
boys roll over or stand up and fight? (I've already spent too much money
on the phone arguing with my Dad over the referendum wording!)

Aengus
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From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Economist Article on N. Ireland Census
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:47:30 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov12.033707.5142@cactus.org>, tony@cactus.org (Tony J.
Hurson) writes:

> Here's what the November 7th edition of The Economist said about
> the recent Northern Ireland census. The article was insensitively
> entitled "Breeding For Change":
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 	Demography is creeping up on Northern Ireland's politics.
...
> balance of population between Protestants and Catholics is 
> changing. The Catholic share stands at 43%, and is rising fast.
...
> It now seems that there has been a
> six-percentage-point rise in the Catholic proportion of the 
> population over 20 years. If that rate continues, there will be a
> Catholic majority in another 20 years or so. 

It won't happen that fast. The Economist should know better than to
assume you can predict population growth as crudely as that. This
is the result of past fertility differences, and if what is
happening in the Republic is also happening among the Catholic
population of NI, future fertility there will be very much lower. 

Fertility rates have been falling all over Europe for a long time,
but certain countries seemed to be exceptions. (Ireland is always
the exception!)  But more recently these countries (Ireland and
Italy, some others) have had huge falls in fertility. Total
life-time fertility in Ireland is down to about 2.1 (i.e. in
effect, over a generation a couple will just replace itself).

If this is true also in NI (and at most, there should be a
difference in timing and some difference across communities), then
(a) the impact of the difference will be less (i.e. slower) and (b)
the magnitude of the difference should also be less (a "floor"
effect as both communities' rates decline, perhaps).

This is speculation (the only "fact" is that fertility in the
Republic has declined). Can anyone back it up/knock it down?

Brendan

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
Subject: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:19:13 GMT

One-of-Three <ALG122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Hello there, I am interested in finding some authentic recipes or perhapse a
>cookbook that contains goodies from the old country. Sorry if I'm stepping on
>some toes here I'm new at this posting thing.  Friends of mine and myself are
>thinking of opening a restuarant that features medieval and Celtic food.  If
>anyone has any suggestion where to find a cookbook or perhapse some favorite
>recipes and how to go aboutserving them I would sincerely appreciate it.
>Thank you. Blessed be.

Sure.  Write to:
  Y Lolfa	(or phone: 011-44-97086-304; the first two parts dial the UK
  Talybont	 and the third is Talybont's area code)
  Dyfed
  SY24 5HE
  Wales
  U.K.
They are a publishing house and send books to the US.  According to the
catalog they sent me, they publish:
   Celtic Cookbook (156 traditional recipes from the 6 Celtic nations)
      by Helen Smith-Twiddy
   Welsh Country Cookery
   Welsh Bread
   Welsh Country Puddings and Pies
   Welsh Country Cakes and Buns
   Welsh Bakestone   all by Bobby Freeman
(They also sell those CYMRAEG! stickers that you can put over all the English
 road signs in your neighborhood.  Sure to make you plenty of friends.)

- David Librik
librik@cory.Berkeley.edu
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:34:57 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <seys51i00UhWI0tkUn@andrew.cmu.edu>, rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rebecca Roolf) writes...
>O shin go bhfuil muid ag caint faoi "Capercaillie", ta/ ceist agam.  An
>bhfuil fhios ag aon daoine, dha/ mbeadh "Capercaillie" ag teacht ar
>"tour" go luath?  B'fhe/idir, go mbeidh siad leis an "album" nua amach? 
>Sin e/, "tour" sa USA...?  
> 

chan eil mi a' faicinn Gaeilge an seo tric! Cum ort airson sin.

I have no information regarding a Capercaillie tour of the US, however
my guess is that if there is to be one, then it won't be to promote the
current album (a live 8 track mini-album) but will be to promote the
new studio album due out in the spring. Here is the info from the
fan club about touring:

Capercaillie were in Germany and Switzerland in October
The band is currently writing new material for the new studio album
The next major UK tour, including Scotland and Ireland will be in
December. More details will be posted when I get them

The Blood is Strong LP is due to be re-released.

To mail order records, contact:

Survival
P.O. Box 888
Maidenhead
Berkshire
SL6 2YQ

(I expect this is just for the Capercaillie recordings on the Survival
 label, older ones are on Green Linnet)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: "ernie schlangen" <ernie.schlangen@canrem.com>
Subject: welsh &(breton/cornish) l
Reply-To: "ernie schlangen" <ernie.schlangen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:46:45 EST

CC The WELSH-L language list is almost ready for launch, the first test
CC messages were exchanged this afternoon. Here is the charter for the
CC group. A full announcement will be made here when the list is
CC officially launched, either this week or next.

CC Craig

<charter deleted>

Craig,
    I am a Welsh learner and interested in this list.  However, I don't
know much about Internet and I got this message through a "USENET Gateway",
so I'm not sure that I can even get access to your listing.  Please let me
know if I can obtain access using the email gateway and what I need to do
to get such access if it is possible.  Thanks for your help!

                                Pob Hwyl!
                                    Ernie
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is Colm Meaney Irish?
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:06:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxLIMq.84t
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

>Does anyone know of any proof (newspaper articles, etc.)
>that Meaney is Irish?

yes.  A Starlog interview about two years ago.  It may have been in Star Trek
the Next generation magazine tho.  Don't have them here at college to check
but, trust me, he's a mick.


slainte,

Tara
aka Lady Johanna Constantine
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan)
Subject: ANOTHER ELECTION (Rec.humor.Irish-politicians)
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:13:58 GMT

I find it quite amazing that another general election has been called in 
Ireland, especially considering the issues involved. I had been following the
political crisis in Ireland last week and I'm sure like many others, I felt 
the politicians were being childish, mindless, inconsiderate etc..
 
Personally I feel Reynolds should have apologised, one simply can't expect
to be free to make a public slur on a fellow Government politician and
get away with it, unless of course Reynolds was really trying to fabricate an
election. Is this election going to make any other impact on the economy,
besides increasing the budget deficit?. There is no question we will end up
with a somewhat similar coalition Government after this election. So are we 
in future to face the threat of an election every time the politicians 
decide to bad mouth each other?. 

And what about our great and glorious leader Mary Robinson. She has shown a
great desire to be a very active president. How about her gettin her ass home
and preventing this unwanted election. I would like to see her perform her 
most effective duty to date - tell the politicians of Ireland to cut out the
petty party-political petulance and polemics and get on with the problems of
the economy. 

	Yours,
		John Keegan.  

	(Los Angeles and Dublin North Central Constituency)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (General Protection Fault)
Subject: WELSH-L listserv? !!
Organization: is the refuge of the unimaginative!
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:26:10 GMT

I saw a posting ofer the weekend which made reference to a possibly
forthcoming listserv to address P-Celtic languages.  The list was to
be called WELSH-L, as I recall.

Since the reference was only a passing remark in another post...

Does anybody have any specific information on said list?

Thanks,
Keith.                             (Dafydd ap Dafydd)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Subject: Land in Co. Clare
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: ie
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 23:38:27 GMT

I read a piece in the Irish Emigrant last week about the Irish government's 
move to encourage citizens to take up residence in County Clare through a 
program of low cost housing to parties interested in permanent relocation.

Can anyone give me the address of the department where one might make 
enquiry?

Email response to:

suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

Go raibh maith agat.

Suzanne Barrett
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:59:05 GMT

--



|>      a)  Would the British government allow such a plebiscite and abide
|>	  by its results?

Probably.  I think they'd be glad to get out.  That's the main cause of unionist
concern.

|>      b)  Would Protestant resistance to such a plebiscite be violent?

Not sure if resistant to a plebiscite would be violent but if the result
went against them there is no way they'll follow meekly into a united
Ireland.

|>      c)  Would civil war result if the plebiscite was passed and abided
|>	  by?

I don't know.  It would be a very dangerous time.

I was amazed by the result of the census. I didn't think the RC population was
so high.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby