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From: George.Daniel@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (George Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Trailer Brakes
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:20:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: lrifido.711784155.14

Hello Jennifer... In Washington if the trailer has previously been licensed in
Washington you need not install the brakles...If you bought it in Oregon or
another state and want to license it here you do then need eletric brakes and if
it is a tandem you need them on BOTH axles...
   Look under the trailer and behind the wheel...see if there is a square with
one bolt hole on each corner...if there is it can be setup with brakes for not
too much money...If it has not got the brake backing plate mount then it is
rather expensive to install them...It may be cheaper to look for replacement
axle housings...this square is right behing the wheel you will have to lie down
and look behind the wheel to see it...sometimes it is easier to look at the
other side while lying down...just shine a flashlight over at the wheel and look
right about where the lug nuts hold the wheel on...you will see this square if
it is there...you have them then go over to portland brake and wheel and you can
buy the complete brake system...I am not sure how much they are but it has
everything....and they are easy to install...just pull the wheel off and
bearings with the hub...bolt on the backing plate and run the eletrical wire to
the front of the trailer...put back on the wheel and adjust the brakes until you
hear a slight scraping when you turn the wheel...make sure the wheel turns
free....good idea to inspect the bearings and re-pack them at this time...then
hook up the brakes to your wiring plug all by their selves...you then need to
hook up the trailer brake switch inside...the instructions tell how to hook up
wires from there...well hope this helped...best of luck to you on this
project...


 * Origin: Lawson & Reay - Vancouver, WA - (206) 574-8287 (1:105/126)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patty Hansen)
Subject: Olympic cross-country
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:45:46 GMT


Hello everyone!

I saw the broadcast coverage of the cross-country portion of the
three-day event last night.  Unfortunately, all the networks seems
to think is fit to broadcast are the falls and crashes.  They didn't
bother to tell us much about how the victims of those crashes fared
afterwards.  There were two that were particularly disturbing.  One
was a horse that fell trying to jump through the "hole in the bush"
obstacle.  All they said was that the horse was down for half an
hour, without saying what happened afterwards.  The other one wasn't
a victim of a jump, but of the heat.  This poor horse barely
crossed the finish line, and just stood there, trembling all over
so badly that I wouldn't have been surprised to see him fall.

Does anyone know how these horses are?  I don't have the triplecast
(too expensive!), so all I get is the network stuff.  I guess
there's some controversy over the heat, too.  Anyone?

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: ***WANTED*** VCR Tapes of Dressage Events!!!
Followup-To: What Caroline wants, exactly!
Summary: See below!!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:26:20 GMT


>
>Is there anyone out there who is ordering the Triplecast and plans to
>videotape the equestrian events? I will be happy to pay for tapes,
>duplicating, shipping, and part of the Triplecast cost (heck, it's *got*
>to be less than $250!). I am most interested in the team dressage
>on 3 August and the individual dressage on 5 August.
>
>I plan to check around my barn and see if anyone is getting the
>Triplecast, but thought I'd also send out a plea over the net just
>to cover all bases.
>
>thanks!
>
>Caroline
>
>--

I'M WITH CAROLINE ON THIS ONE!!!  I'll pay for the tapes plus
the shipping plus your time to have a copy of the Team Dressage
and Individual Dressage, as well...  Any of the other Equestrian
Events will be a nice added bonus, but I, too, am most interested
in the Dressage.  (So is my Mom.  She's 71 years young and longs
to be able to ride.  But, with 3 fused vertibraes and a bad hip,
this is not a realistic goal, so she watches Dressage, cries and
dreams...:*( She is sooo glad Hank and I are taking up Dressage!) :*)


Thank you for your help in putting a smile on Mom's face!!!
(And mine too, of course!!!)

Megan, Larry her S.O., Clyde his Black Lab, Edgar her Black Cat,
and High Action Hank, APHA, her Wonder Horse!!!
From: 6820230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 2 Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:47:20 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Karen Karlssen writes:
  I just couldn't resist posting - and this has been seconded by someone else
  on the net in the past - when people say "I want to rent horses someplace
  without a guide" it really hits my trigger.  The *only* reason people say
  this is because they want to run the s*** out of the horses!  Otherwise
  you wouldn't mind a guide being along.  It makes me so mad!  If you don't
  own/lease or take lessons regularly, you probably are not a good enough rider
  to be out on a horse by yourself anyway.  Why are people who rent horses
  like this?!  I work at a rental stable *with* guides and the life of a rental
  horse is HARD, even under the best conditions.  I really wish people would
  stop treating horses like motorcycles and expecting for $20 they are going
  to do whatever they want.  Does anyone else out there feel this way or am
  I being irrational?  I just feel that riding is a priviledge and horses
  deserve to be treated with respect and kindness, it is really upsetting
  to hear people who constanting want to abuse them and *would* run them
  for an entire hour if they could find a place with no guides.

I whole heartedly concur, but...
Let me say first that, although I'm no longer a "dude-wrangler", I wrangled
dudes for 2.5 years (weekends) for day rides and overnight rides and was
managing wrangler for the weekend.  Believe me, I ran into my share of public
who were "raised with horses" (I began to think that that meant "in the
barn"),  and then proceeded to try to get up on the wrong side.  However, in
the spirit of fairness,  I also me people who were genuinely concerned and
interested in the welfare of the horses.  I found that a lot of people don't
object to a guide, per se, what they object to is riding with a group of
15-20 people they don't know, single file, down a fire road.

We sent at least one guide with every group.  Group consisted of private party,
be it even just one person.  That way, people could get off the horse and take
pictures if they wanted to, where they wanted to.  The guide was there to
ensure that the horse wasn't abused, the people didn't lose control, and that
people didn't get lost (we had 2700 acres covered with a maze of trails).

Anyway, although your are absolutely correct about the ya-hoos, not everyone
looking for a ride "without guides" are objecting to the guide.

-- Heidi Simonsen and Honey (QHM) 6820230@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
Please feel free to e-mail me (we can exchange some horror stories).
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:06:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.214223.4667@u.washington.edu>,
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> 
> BTW, I find it kind of amusing that I can't find a decent guided trail ride
> or a non-guided ride anywhere across the U.S. (well, it seems that way
> sometimes! :-)   except for right in the middle of New York City!  
> Claremont Stables, right off Central Park, still lets people that they've
> never seen before go out alone with horses through the NYC traffic to
> the bridle trails on Central Park.  Amazing.  The horses I've ridden there
> have been responsive and well-mannered, too (and I'm always careful to
> ride them lightly and bring them back cool!)
> 

  Wow, that's surprising.  Back in the early 70s, I used to
  push rides there (i.e.,guide), and they never let people out
  without a guide unless they knew you.  The horses were
  always of good quality.  They were the type that would
  steadily plug along with someone who didn't know what to do,
  or they would listen to the aids of someone who did.  I had
  a lot of fun riding there. I learned a lot there too, and
  got a lot of free riding.

  Never forget the time a couple came to hack out horses.  He
  was wearing a white suit (it was the 70s), and she was
  wearing hot pants, panty hose, and platform shoes.  You
  should have seen them when they got back.  What a hoot.

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu (Lisa Masterman)
Subject: re: interest in horses on the decline? (was western riding and helmets)
Originator: lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: interest horses riding increase decrease
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:23:41 GMT


>I can't believe that Ken said that interest in the finest sport will continue
>to decline.  I don't see any decline here in the Northeast, that's for sure.
>Try to get a place at a good boarding stable, even with the inflated prices.

I don't know if riding is on the decrease, but here in Massachusetts - or at
least my section of it - it's d*mn hard to find a barn for lessons.  Over my
eight years of riding, I've switched barns nearly every year because the
places keep closing down.  They simply stop giving lessons, or the barn
itself changes ownership.  I finally ended up taking lessons at the rate of
$40 for an hour private, and my parents simply couldn't afford that.  For a
short while, I supported my lessons by working at the barn Saturdays and
Sundays, but I simply couldn't keep that up with my homework load and my
commitments to school activities.  I had not taken a lesson in a year and a
half when I finally went to college and found a local barn that (bless their
souls!) offers ten one-hour group lessons for $120.  Now I'm finally taking
lessons again, though I hear that the place I rode at for $40 a pop before
has now gone up to $45 or $50...  ridiculous!

--lisa
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:04:15 GMT
	<1992Jul15.053515.8330@nmsu.edu>
	<SUSAN.92Jul20143620@wimpie.noaapmel.gov>
	<1992Jul24.185947.21564@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA


Christine's comment about bad science fiction characters reminded me of a 
joke some kids at camp had about their safety helmets.  These were some 
of the first 'approved' Pony Club helmets.  The kids rebelled against them,
saying that wearing those helmets made them look like the little green space
man in some of the later Flintstones cartoons (here in the usa).  We had
an all-out rebellion on our hands!  None of the kids would wear the 
helmets.  So we improvised by removing all the coverings and fancy-shmancy
trimmings, and the helmets turned out to look like batting helmets.  The
kids thought those were great.  Although we still had to keep a sharp eye
out for kids who refused to wear the chin straps...any kid caught with a
helmet on and no chin strap on had to help us clean the corrals!  That got
them to wear the helmets *correctly*, fast!  And yes, when the adults are
blase about 'having' to wear helmets, the kids pick up the same attitude
and they don't mind wearing them.

We even made up cute little fake safety helmets for the dogs.  That really
got the kids into wearing their helmets with no complaints.  And as long
as they got a Milkbone, the Wonder Brain Twins (dumbest dogs I've ever met)
could care less what we did to them. ;)

Susan
susan@noaapmel.gov
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Snobby breeders
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:36:03 GMT

In article <13300@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>I recently had an experience I'd like some feedback on.  I was
 (story about snobby, rude breeder)
>
>My question is, where do these people get off?!  Really, I
>would now never as long as I live buy a horse from them,
>but I wonder if some of you breeders, especially warmblood
>breeders could explain how a small breeder on a remote
>island in the Pacific can make a living by refusing to
>let anyone see their horses?  Is this rude response the
>usual deal?
>
>Sarah Pallas
> 


This reminds me of an experience I had which was very different.
Years ago, a friend and I were driving around the Chicago suburbs,
stopping at barns and asking about sale horses.  Towards evening
we were near Wayne, IL., a fancy area with many small horse farms.
We knew that Edith Kosturka (owner of the Trakehners Troubador and
Morgenglanz) had her breeding farm there - one of the very first
warmblood breeders in the U.S.  Her horses were not in our price
range, but we were dying to see them.  We stopped at the gates
which had an electonic call box.  We said we were interested in
seeing her horses.  At first she hesitated, then she invited us
in "for a few minutes".  It turns out she was getting dressed to
go out to dinner with her husband, but it soon became clear that
she couldn't resist a chance to show off her "babies".  She took
us on a complete tour of the impressive facility - showing us her
mares and young stock, and even leading out Morgenglanz (then alive).
Nenufar was also alive then.  Morgenglanz was the most impressive
horse I had ever seen or seemed that way that night.  Her husband
kept calling her, telling her it was getting too late, but she
kept on with the tour "for a few more minutes".  She told us all
about the Trakehner breed, finally giving us both beautiful books
which showed the foundation sires and mares.  She ended up saying,
"I guess we're staying home tonight."

Maybe warmbloods are so in demand now that some breeders think they
are above it all - the buyers can kiss their ***.  But maybe there
are just rude people and kind people...

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Gate design: horses through, NOT motorcycles.
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:40:57 GMT

Hi,
 Some parks simply lay a telephone pole sized log across the entrance. The
horses can step over it, lifting a motorcycle would be rather difficult
if not impossible.

Good Luck!! :-)




Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: 2x4 eating animals.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:00:27 GMT

>>I use Carbolinium.  You can buy it in brown or clear.  It tastes
>>terrible (so my horses say).  It is non-toxic as well.
>
>I thought that Carbolineum was the German name for creosote. In any
>case, they're very similar, and *they are poisonous*.
>
>Now I wish I knew an answer to this problem. Ours is that we use
>thicker wood and replace it when it's been eaten.

What about using "Chew-Stop" or "Stop-Chew" or whatever it's called?
It comes in a tin can like Repel-ex (I think it's by the same
company) and is available at tack, feed and some hardware stores. It
works great, isn't poisonous and is expressly to stop the little
monsters from destroying their homes. Environmentally, I don't know
-- it probably says something on the can, since we live in the Green
Age, and all.

-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Mare hormonal problems?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:19:56 GMT

>What my current vet/chiropracter/accupuncturist, my riding instructor and I are
>thinking is that she has hormonal problems.  She first starting going into heat
>in February.  She starts doing well when she comes into heat.  And continues to
>do well for about two weeks after.  We started suspecting this two months ago
>so I don't have any real hard evidence.  We are going to try treat her for
>these problems.  I don't want to use Regimate (sp?).  My vet says she has some
>homeopathic stuff that is supposed to help.
>

I'm curious: why don't you want to use Regumate? I have heard
nothing but positive responses to it -- but if there are
counter-indications, I would like to hear them.

Thanks!

-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice needed on training
From: <KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 12:17:27 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I have been 'watching the flame war' on riding 2 year old Arabs.  I'm
not taking sides on this because I'm not a vet and I don't know who is
right and who is wrong in this issue.  BUT.....
.....is anyone reading this a charter subscription member of Equus
magazine?  The magazine introduced an Arab named _Equus_ as a baby
and made a feature file on his progress until he had been racing
a year (when he was 4!).  They broke him to ride at 2 and began his
racing career at 3.  It's been a lot of years but someone wrote to
Equus on this subject regarding this colt and the vet's response was
that each animal needed to be evaluated on his own physical and mental
maturity and assured their readers that this colt's bone development
was sufficiently developed to allow him to be, not just trained to ride,
but trained for racing, at this early age.
 
I know as a breeder of Tenn. Walking horses that it is not fair to
pigeon hole people and practices with respect to horses.  Most people
break walkers at about 17 months.  I break mine when my vet says 'this
one's physically ready'.  I have to judge if his brain is.
 
Perhaps SOME Arabs are ready at 2...I don't know, I just said MAYBE.
If you can get one of them to gait, maybe I'll buy one some day :-)!
From: sylvia@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Sylvia Budak)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:40:07 GMT
Subject: Mare hormonal problems?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian



Last summer I bought a TB mare after leasing her for about 9 months.  When I 
got her she had been out to pasture for a year and a half.  She was in bad 
shape, underweight, poor nutrition, awful hooves, etc.  She recovered slowly
in my care and did fairly good through last summer.  I rode her about four 
times a week, a moderate workout for about 45 minutes each time.  She is a
big mover and you can't beat her disposition.

In December and January I started asking for more with my rides.  I finally
had enough time to really start working her, and she was ready for it.  We
started doing more cantering and in smaller circles ~ 10m.  She was doing
excellent!  I felt like I could have done canter pirouettes with her.  In 
February she had a major setback.  She just didn't want to do anything.  It 
was like her back really bothered her.  Trying to lengthen her trot I took
her over cavaletti.  She refused to trot through and jumped them instead!  This
is a horse that normally loves to do medium trot for long periods of time.
She always disliked the girth being tightened but it was getting to the point
where she tried to bite me!  This is a mare with a very polite personality
usually.

Thinking she had a back problem I had a chiropracter work on her.  She had been
doing poorly for about two weeks when he came out.  Two days after he worked
on her she was back to her usual medium trot, fun self.  To make an already 
long story shorter she had been having similar problems for what seems to be
every two weeks.  She goes well for two weeks, then does poorly for about two
weeks.  Last time she acted so down I checked her temperature thinking she must
have a fever.  She did not. 

What my current vet/chiropracter/accupuncturist, my riding instructor and I are
thinking is that she has hormonal problems.  She first starting going into heat
in February.  She starts doing well when she comes into heat.  And continues to
do well for about two weeks after.  We started suspecting this two months ago 
so I don't have any real hard evidence.  We are going to try treat her for 
these problems.  I don't want to use Regimate (sp?).  My vet says she has some
homeopathic stuff that is supposed to help.  

Does anyone else out there have similar problems with their mares?  What did
you do to improve the situation.  By the way, I will have my regular vet
palpate my mare to make sure she doesn't have any major reproductive problems.

Sorry this got so long.  Thanks in advance for any replys,

Sylvia


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Babies and halters
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.153327.9017@uoft02.utoledo.edu> lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <3030333@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
>> In rec.equestrian, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> 
>>     Hi all!
>> 
>>    I have a snotty tb suckling filly that hates to be haltered.  Two of us
>>    got a halter on her this weekend and I've opted to leave the halter on her
>>    all the time against my better judgement.  I can't catch her alone (I caught
>>    both hind feet in the ribs the last time I tried) and she can't be turned out
>>    unless she has a halter on.
>> 
>> Why does the filly have to have a halter on?  She will just follow her
>> mom around.  So when you catch mom, you'll have the baby too.
>
>That's what you think.  This filly has her *own* agenda.  I have to lead
>the horses down the side of a road and across it to get to my pasture. 
>All I need is a loose baby in front of a combine!!!
>

This reminds me of the filly I raised.  When Jess was two days old
I led "Mom" through the big pasture to the smaller paddock which Jess
following along nicely.  Later that day when it was time to put
them back in I tried to do the same thing.  Jess took off running
down through the pasture, completely ignoring the fact that Mom
was going nuts whinnying for her to come back.  I had to put Mom
in the stall and go down and get Jess.  Mom was going nuts in the
stall; Jess was completely ignoring her.  Jess didn't know how to
lead yet, so I had to "lead" her back with one arm around her chest
and the other arm around her butt.  The next day, I taught Jess
to lead and then led Jess to and from the barn, letting Mom tag
along.  It worked much better since Mom never let Jess get out of her
sight.

      Dorothy