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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:59:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr13.034148.29363@wuecl.wustl.edu>, csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.155725.2847@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>> Just wondering...Who did the Jets beat to get the Wildcard birth?
>>> J-E-T-S--->JETS-JETS-JETS!
>>
>>You excluded alot of my stuff...I said if one of te two teams was guaranteed to
>>unseat Buffalo I would pick the 'Phins because of explosive potential
>>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
 
> I don't mean to pry again, but was it Clayton who had the audacity to 
> guarantee a phin win over the underdog Jets. Talking words, like potential,
> only goes as far as the locker room. You got to deliver. I am not 
> saying that the Jets deserved the ring, but whether they played over their 
> heads or not, they beat Miami.

But if you have a team of over ahcievers and a team of underahievers, and
1 is going to have a great season and unseat a powerhouse (lots of ifs)
then do you pick the already over-acheivers who are already playing at
over or at least damn near their potential, or the team that has a potentially
legendary QB, a pair of WRs who between the two of them can get a TD at any
given moment. Some might pick the Jets because they are solid all-around
(almost) and play hard, but I do not think either team ill do it, but If 1 of
them WILL (the hypothetical guarantee..."if anyone is going to do it it will
be...") I pick the 'Phins because of the fact that I see more ***POTENTIAL***
ability for some dream season in them.  I think it is likely that the Jets
will make the playoffs, and that the 'Phins won't but when talking about all
or nothing I think the Miami unit is the one to pick...these are all OPINIONS
and go no further.
Brian Mulholland
> 
> As far as Shula is concerned, thats two games he's lost when a guarantee
> was made..
> 
> Chris Macri
> -The only Jet fan in the St. Louis Metro Area....
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From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:18:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.175436.3296@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes:
>>Browning Nagle - shows glimmers of hope, *possible* star, if not decent QB
>>
>>What do impartial fans think?
>>
>
>I saw Nagle in a scrimmage against the Redskins last summer.  He looked 
>horrible.  But he was a rookie then.  Perhaps he has greatly improved
>in a year.
>
>					me

    I saw the same game he played one series and drove 92 yards in 6 plays
    ending with a 15 yard sidearm TD pass to Thomas. Thats the only time
    he was in that game. If that's horrible please give me more horrible
    players. You're probably talking about Kenny O' he was'nt too impressive.

   Daniel V                                                   GO JETS!
From: sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GIANTS
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:07:44 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

IF THERE ANY GIANTS FANS WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL
WRITE BACK
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Speaking of news :-)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:05:53 GMT


     I've been away from here for awhile - not even lurking - because of all
my work, but I'm "amazed" at the number of trades atking place.  Wouldn't
you know it - league officials just announced that the 49ers will be docked
their first 6 draft picks for the next 5 years for continuously violating the
policy of any technical equipment on the field.  It seems that rocket scien-
tist Werner Von Braun, in his later years, had perfected robotic technology
to the extent that he could put mechanical components inside a growing body.
It appears that Joe Montana was von Braun's first and only experiment - when
he was very small, his bone structure was replaced with circuits and metal.
That's why Montana was able to come back so soon from back surgery - all they
needed to do was replace a few mechanical pieces - they put silicon in this
time. 
     The hit taken by Montana that knocked him out of the NFC championship
game against the Giants before SB XXV may have permanently damaged some of the
circuitry, though - that's why he was on the disabled list so long.
     Bo Jackson in expected to experiment with more advanced robotics in his
replacement hip, and may be in Raider training camp by July "ready to run
for 2000 yards and hit 30 homers," as he stated.  "I'll be back with the
White Sox by May."
    How's this for far-out? :-)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Quarterback preview
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:05:45 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr14.174945.289@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> How come Kosar wasn't mentioned?  Hell, he's better that O'Brien, and
> almost on par with Elway (although Kosar never seems to be as lucky).
> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Because I do not expect a dramatic change in his performance, + or -.

All the others had something to say about. Kosar would have been :
Kosar: Does about the same.
Why bother?
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:05:54 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr14.211657.27760@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
> It will be interesting to see how Detroit uses Jimmie Johnson.  The
> man has fantastic hands but lacked in run blocking, which hurt
> him with the Redskins.  If Detroit uses him mainly for his
> pass catching ability, they should be quite  satisfied with
> their acquisition.
> 
> 					me


I would be thrilled to see Johnson work out with the Lions, but I
do not see them using him to any great extent as a pass-catcher.
While he will of course be used that way to some extent, I doubt
that that is the prime reason they are getting a TE (though they may have
singled Johnson out because of the fact that he wouldn't end up being
a glorified Tackle like some TEs are).  I think Detroit is looking
for a TE for a couple reasons:
1:I think they have finally figured out that Barry Sanders is human and
when there are 2 more defensive players on the line than you have
blockers, even Barry will be hard pressed to make +yardage.  In the R+S
you cannot bring in a TE for a running down because, quite obviously
you don't have any TEs, and a WR won't cut it, while if it's a tackle
playing as a TE then you either run or your defeating the R+S purpose.

2:They saw Washington's TEs tear them apart in the first game and play
a significant role in the second.

3:While they aren't going to give up the R+S they intend to modify it
so that Barry is more useful...when he looks at a wall of DLs every down,
he cannot be as efective as normal, so you bring in an extra blocker, and
BAM Barry's production goes skyward.
Brian Mulhollland
From: flumen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian M Flumen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: WLAF standings
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:26:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Could someone post the WLAF standings as of now.
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:35 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr13.152257.31771@watson.ibm.com>, rlehman@thunder.watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman) writes:
> 
> All this discussion about the Dolphins brings up an interesting point.
> If Shula hadn't been successful in the past, wouldn't he have been
> fired by now?  I think it's painfully obvious that the Dolphins (and
> perhaps the Bears) are saddled with a "great" coach who just isn't
> going to win again.  Pittsburgh was in the position for years.  Miami
> has been nothing more than a mediocre team for quite some time time.
> 
> I don't dispute the fact that Shula is a good coach, and was a great
> coach, but this doesn't buy Miami fans anything (except a few good
> calls/non-calls from the officials every season :-).  I would be
> surprised if the Dolphins ever won a Super Bowl again with Don Shula.
> Ditto for Chicago, but that's another story.
> 
> If you're a Dolphin fan, think about how long have you been wishing
> for a decent defense, or a running game?  Duper and Clayton and Marino
> ring up lots of yards and lots of points.  Big deal.
> 
> Why would anyone think this season would be any different?
> 
> -Rob

Good point, but they were 12-4 a year ago and showed spark.  If they get 
some D help they could surprise, and Higgs looked good.  But that is not the 
point.  When a coach of Shula's repute has some bad years, you tend to give
him the benefit of the doubt because, after all, he has showed that he CAN
or at least used to be able to do it.  I agree that Chicago and Miami
probably aren't going to win a SB anytime soon but I fault Shula very little
because he is straddled with alot of poor picks in recent years.  since
Duper and Clayton and Marino came on...good personel moves have been a rarity
in Miami.  i think he is doing a splendid job with what he has, and
thought they are capable of more, very few coaches could get more out of them.
Ditka is a different story, but I also fault his supporting coaches more than
Ditka himself.  The Bears offense is SO predictable.  I can sit there and
call run/pass 995 of the time be right onn the bears.  I am right 80%
of the time as to whitch way it goes as well, and often who is the prinme
target and how deep they go, thpough waddle threw me off early in the season.
Brian Mulholland
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who is this Brister guy anyway?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:11:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Apr13.182301.6286@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.154631.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk>, ug9229@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
>> WHO IS THIS BRISTER GUY ANYHOW????
>>
>> Didn't he get drafted for some  no-name team and fade into
>> obscurity because he couldn't throw an orgy in a brothel??
>>
>> Anyway, dead or not, this trade thing has got to be a flame
>> seeking missile.
>>
>>
>> Suckers never get blown.
>>
>>                          TVM      See  Ya
>>                                           S.G.
>>                                               Edinburgh.......
>>                                                 Probably the best University
>>                                                     in the world.
>       Are you really that stupid? Bubby has proved to be a very good
>quaterback and an even better team leader.  So go blow yourself you uninformed
>mouthy loser
>
YES!!! YES!! YES!! SOMEONE IS FINALLY MAKING SOME SENSE!!!
-- 
               TONY, TONY, TONY
               BROADHEAD 312
               758-1378
From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: WLAF Ohio Glory 0-10????
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:56:20 GMT

From article <1992Apr7.170530.15722@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, by mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman):
> 
> I don't know if the league or the owners pulled out
> of Raleigh-Durham, but I think that Ohio will be
> given a second chance since all the other teams
> have been together for over a year and Ohio's players
> and staff have only been together a short time. I
> think that Ohio will win a couple near the end of the 
> season.

It would be nice to pick up at least one win during this three game
road trip.  It's difficult to know what to expect.  O'Hara played
very well against Orlando but the Glory still found ways to
self-destruct.  This team could go either way.

The Glory have already surpassed the home attendance of the
Raleigh-Durham team for all last season after only two home games. 
The Skyhawks had a season attendance of 60,329 for an average of
12,066.  The Glory have had an attendance of 69,069 for a average of
34,534 in their first two home games.    

"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
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From: wechambe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (William E Chamberlin)
Subject: mailing list ?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 11:28:22 EDT


	I was just wondering is there a mailing list for the Bills ?
	Any info. can be sent to me at :
					wechambe@mailbox.syr.edu
  	Thanks in advance.

	Will Chamberlin
	  
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:09:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

The most impressive newcommers at the Packers 1st minicamp under Mike 
Holmgren were QB Brett Favre (Trade Atlanta) and CB Lewis Billups 
(plan-B Cincinnati).

Mike Holmgren dubbed Favre the Packer QB of the future.  The receivers 
say he's got a strong arm but a good touch.

Billups also was impressive.  Billups said he's happy to be in GB playing 
for DB Coach Ray Rhodes.  He apparently didn't get along too well with 
Sam Wyche (who's no longer with Cinc anyway).

Ron Wolf said he thinks the Packers did well in Plan-B.  (But what would 
he say? "Man, we really did a crummy job in Plan-B.  We probably won't 
win a single game next year.)  The loss he talked about most was that 
of Via Sikahema who signed with Philly.  That could be bad but I think 
the biggest loss was Erik Affholter (San Diego I think).  I guess the 
Packers didn't build up any bonus points with Affholter in spite of 
carrying him on IR for 3 years.

I agree the Pack did a good job in Plan-B.  They picked up 4 DBs (at 
least one probable starter in Billups) and a couple of WRs including 
Sanjay Beach who Holmgren is pretty high on.  (Beach is from SF so 
Holmgren should know a lot about him.)  The lack of a FB troubles me.  
I don't mean lack of a *good* FB, I mean lack of an FB.  I still say 
the Pack will draft an FB #1.  But they may wait until the 2nd if they 
think the guy they want will still be available.

Majkowski's shoulder appears to be 100%.  The #1 QB job is his to 
loose.  Holmgren says "Majkowski has to be our man this year."  GB is 
counting on Majik to be the catalyst for a successful season.

Def Coord Ray Rhodes has installed a gambling, big play type defense.  
Lot's of blitzing and one formation with 5 down linemen.  (I'd like to 
know where he thinks he's going to get all these defensive linemen.)

Troy Vincent says playing in GB would be a 'dream come true'.  The 
addition of Vincent could give the Packers one heck of a secondary.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.165822.29253@talon.ucs.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:
>In article <odu6Fbu00awMMJ62Fd@andrew.cmu.edu> et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge) writes:
>>all detroit fans- 
>>
>>	You picked up one of the greatest pass catching TE's the world will
>>ever see. Jimmie was hardly ever used in Washington's offensive scheme,
>>but watch him to put up some great numbers for detroit. That boy catches
>>bbs in the dark.
>>
>>	I don't know what sort of signing bonus he got, but it wasn't enough.
>
>      Detroit picked up a TE?  Does this mean they are planning on 
>      giving up the R&S in the red zone?  I heard talk last year that
>      they were thinking of going with a TE in the red zone.  Anyone
>      know for sure?

The stuff I saw in the papers indicated that they were planning on using
a TE in most of their game plan.  It makes a lot of sense, really.  It always
seemed a little crazy to me to dump the TE altogether.  A TE with good hands
is just as good as a wideout on short patterns, and is much better than
a wideout for blocking on draws.

Still, Johnson is taking a pretty big chance by going to Detroit.  I believe
he had a good offer from KC as well.  I think he is the only TE they signed,
so he will probably not have much competition, but he still has to hope
that the offensive coordinator does a good job at adding in the TE position.
In KC he would have had more competition, but if he became a starter, he
would have been almost guaranteed a lot of playing time.

Drew
drew@verdix.com
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Preview from G-Man
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:38:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr2.161334.2567@vax1.umkc.edu>, jroberts@vax1.umkc.edu writes...

>Here are my predictions for the 1992 NFL Season.  Please note that the draft
>has not take place yet, so these decisions could change at the start of the
>fall semester.                                  
>                                  
>Buffalo	12-4
>N.Y. Jets	 9-7
>New England	 9-7
>Miami		 7-9
>Indianapolis	5-11
>Houston	11-5
>Cleveland	11-5
>Pittsburgh	 9-7
>Cincinnati	 7-9
>Kansas City  	13-3
>Los Angeles	11-5
>Denver		10-6
>San Diego	 9-7
>Seattle	4-12
>Philadelphia	12-4
>Dallas		11-5
>Washington	 9-7
>New York	 8-8
>Phoenix	6-10
>Detroit	11-5
>Minnesota	10-6
>Chicago	 9-7
>Tampa Bay	 7-9
>Green Bay	6-10
>Atlanta	11-5
>New Orleans	11-5
>San Francisco	 9-7
>Los Angeles	5-11

For a cumulative total of 252 wins and 196 losses.  I guess you musta 
left out some expansion teams that the NFL are going to let in right 
quick.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: APOLOGY: WRONG INFO ON BUBBY TRADE
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:20:43 GMT

In article <CHRISD.92Apr8102559@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>, chrisd@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Christian Day) writes:
> In article <1992Apr08.030208.117541@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
> 
> 
>>   Please take note of the following correction:  My reliable source has revealed
>>  to me that Bubby will not be going to the Colts.  Instead, he is going to the
>>   Eagles for Jim McMahon and safety Andre Waters.  Expect the deal to be
>>   completed over the weekend.  Bubby was complaining about not starting in
>>   Pittsburgh, he'll never see the light of day in Philly.
>    -- 
> 	This doesn't seem possible!  Trading such a no-talent QB for
> two proven NFL players!  This seems like an impossibly stupid trade
> from both sides: 
> 	Philadelphea needs someone reliable and proven to back up
> Cunningham, that much was proven last year.  What do they want 
> Brister for?  From what I saw, he didn't prove himself with the
> Steelers.  And even if THAT made sense, why give up TWO proven veteran
> players for anything less than a top rated player?
> 	Pittsburgh needs anything but an old QB with only a couple
> years of life left in him.  McMahon is tough, but not tough enough to
> stand for a whole year behind Pittsburgh's Offensive Line.  Who was
> Brister's backup?  What could these two teams be thinking?
> 	
> 
> 
> What do you mean 'a no talented QB?' Bubby has always been very inconsistant
but at times has been a great quarterback. Though I agree this would be a
stupid trade for Pittsburgh.  They have Neil O'Donnell anyway, who has a big
future
>    	
> --
> *******************************************************************************
> Christian Day                         
> Brandeis University 
> Department of Computer Science	    
> Waltham, MA  02154-9110
> (617) 926-1465 
> *******************************************************************************
>                    A Patriots fan stuck in New England!!!
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From: v071qhek@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (KIP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers #16
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Yes, I'm a 49ers fan especially a Joe Montana fan.  So I was wondering,
can someone tell me what the latest is with his status to return in the Fall.
I heard a couple of months ago that he would be back.  Is this true?
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From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ)
Subject: Re: S.F. and RAIDERS.....Silver&Black
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:15:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.085309.1@vax.sonoma.edu> correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>. Can you even name the guy who Lott
>>supplanted at his position?
>
>>--
>>Ronnie
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>
>
>Just of the top of my head, I think it was Van Maclroy(sp?). Can't remember
>what happend to him.
>
>
>
>Silver & Black

Vann McElroy.  He was a pro-bowler a few years back.
From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Preview from G-Man
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:50:19 GMT
Reply-To: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous

In article 2567@vax1.umkc.edu, jroberts@vax1.umkc.edu () writes:
%Here are my predictions for the 1992 NFL Season.  Please note that the draft
%has not take place yet, so these decisions could change at the start of the
%fall semester.                                  

Neat trick, having the whole league go 252-196.
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