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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:51:22 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Frank Mc Exists
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> Well I'll be.  I guess I must exist after all.  The logical
> (to me, Tushar, only necessarily to me) question is what is
> the difference between Natalie's sources and abh's.  Besides
> the presence or absence of moi, that is.

I sent for the stats from UGA, saved them as a file, and grepped for
your address.  It popped up instantly.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
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Subject: House of Representatives
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:11:00 GMT
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Greetings,

An interesting article in a recent *New Republic* prompted me to dig out
a copy of the Constitution of the United States, Annotated, and check out
Article I Section 2, paragraph 4, where it is written: "The number of
Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand."

According to my Annotated edition, an act of June 18, 1929 provided that
the membership of the House should henceforth be restricted to 435
members..."

The NR article suggested that since the population has increased substantially
since 1929, it might be in order to increase the size of the house in order
to foster closer ties between the representatives and their constituencies.
At present, each representative "serves" more than 500,000 citizens.  This
is a far cry from the the 1 - 30,000 ratio set down originally as a guide.
Moreover, according to the NR article, this ratio is the largest of any
democratic country.

One wonders whether citizens of smaller states (which, after all, do get
their two senators and their minimum of one representative) consequently
get better representation and feel more a part of the political process.

Marty
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Date:         Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:35:11 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Monday is one of my favorite days.
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:> I may finally have a JOB. I will know later today.
:> Please send all good vibes toward me. I need all the help I can get.
:>
:Good luck, Alec.  I'm sending you some really really good vibes.
:Doris

From the GV catalogue I believe too. Nothing but the best.

G
From: CCOCHRAN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Charles Cochran)
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Subject: Re: fresh meat!
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:56:19 GMT
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              16 Nov 1992 09:38:08 LCL from <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>

Anne Haycock responded with this note of greeting:
>
>I must say, you seem to have <grasped> the ideology (is there one?)
>quite well...stick around, make us laugh, cry, <gasp>, wonder, fume and
>we'll have an even more <fascinating> time!
>
>peas and carrots,
>
>//anne//

I take it you mean the most important thing about playing with words
(the seeming purpose of this e-place) is to <have fun> while doing it. I
am more than happy to oblige; thanks for the kind and gentle words.

corn and butterbeans,

Charles
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: FYFI
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> *** Resending note of 11/19/92 23:15
>
> >...power....
> This is a ridiculous way to achieve top BWP status!
>
> ..aftershave

Very perceptive.....  bingo!  I am <sick> and <tired> of people
like -abh and -gt- winning on the basis of three-word posts, while
my lengthy, pithhhy posts go unrecognized.
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:57:09 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Freezer on bottom
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When we were first married my husband and I had a refrigerator with the
freezer on the bottom.  After our first child became a toddler, we
discovered why it was better to have the freezer on top.

doris
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Why, Why, Why
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:11:17 GMT
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In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>Is it too soon to join <many others> and ask why?  Why hardly no WORDS-L
>mail?...why little mail incoming seems old and/or repeats?...why only
>the "R's" seem to be around (Ruth, Rashmi)?...why things are too slow

Well.... it may be because I'm on a Usenet site, which is less affected
by Listserver woes than a normal Bitnet one....  It could also be that
Rashmi and I were both awake after Midnight.[..."when my love comes
tumblin' down...I'm gonna post in the Midnight hour, when there's nobody
else around...."]

<Tell me why's deleted> 
>and do something useful...like digging up kudzy?...why don't someone also
>catch the wild boar who is digging up everything ....especially where I
>am trying to grow grass (not smokeable kind)?   Is that all that is

It's too bad you can't aim him at the kudzu!  Or maybe, you could aim a
12-gauge at the boar.  Boar steaks are delicious!  
>
>Don, off the deep end ...having recurring nightmares of the days of the
>Random Weirdness Generator....

Gee, I wonder why....

Why do birds sing so gay, and posters awake at break of day?
Why don't we shoot those doves.....

Tell me why....
<soundtrack fades out>

Don, it's not a nightmare; you're not asleep!  The cold medication
is BACK!  Live from Orbit, it's Monday Night!
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: Reification
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:25:02 GMT
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Bayla, I certainly don't know how to use this word, but here's a quote
I just came across.  John Updike on the artist Saul Steinberg and his
"dramatizations of language":

     On other [New Yorker] covers, purely semantic configurations
     were reified: Today in the form of a rocket shoots off from a
     crumbling Yesterday on a dotted projected route of Breakfast,
     Lunch, Dinner, and Tomorrow; a spindly Nobody stands on the edge
     of a tall Nowhere thinking of a cloudy Nothing; a rickety "I
     Have" rests on a rocky "I Am" while a shimmering "I Do" burns
     in the sky.                    --NYRB, 12/3/92

--brad
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Perpetuating the System (was Re: Old grunt
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:49:22 GMT
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:29:55 EST, "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
> Bzzzt!  Sale of leaded petrol/gasoline has been prohibited in Canada
> for two years now, and for (I believe) slightly longer in the US.
> (To be strictly accurate it is prohibited for use in ordinary road
> vehicles - use in aircraft, lawnmowers(!) etc. is still permitted,
> but in practice it is almost impossible to find the stuff.)
Oh, and that satisfies your conscience?  Don't suppose you know the
effects of carbon monoxide poisoning by any chance?  Petrol fumes
are *still* pretty nasty.  Leadless petrol is a band-aid solution
that doesn't address the real problems.  In fact they help perpetuate
the problem by encouraging even more expansion in car sales and
road usage.  (The cars that are replaced by newer models with catalytic
convertes aren't scrapped - they just trickle down.  And older cars
make the pollution worse - I've *seen* some of the clunkers on US roads -
over here they'd be refused a Ministry of transport certificate and would
be kept off the roads.  MOT tests are unbelievably strict)

> Curiously the British government continues to insist that the link
> of environmental lead and IQs is still hypothetical and needs more
> study.  At the same time British car makers insist that it is
> impossible to make engines that run reliably and economically
> on unleaded fuel.  ("British" here means the British subsidiaries
> of Ford, GM, etc.)

Yes, my Government are just as hypocritical as yours; moreso even.  Justs
adds to my point that car use vs public transport is a political decision.
(It's *very* obvious over here where rail transport for goods has been
deliberately run down at the expense of large indirect subsidies to
road haulage - a *very* powerful lobby here...)

G
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Croning

Is there a male counterpart to croning?  Would if be one of the
following milestones?:

mid-life crisis
onset of senility
second childhood
when male trades in 40 year old for two twenties
purchase of sporty convertible

and, well you know....

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:10:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Imposter
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> Which reminds me of a question that I've been meaning to ask Giggles - what
> is the difference (if any) between Hispanic/Latino?  Is one of them the PC
> term?
>
> rashmi

The Latino-L list has been engaged in a ferocious cat fight for weeks
over whether they (the list members) should call themselves Hispanics
or Latinos or Chicanos or what?  By far the most common term that I
hear on UNIVISION (the Spanish network based in Miami) is Hispano.
I think the Latino is more political, and Chicano definitely is,
though that usually only refers to U.S. residents of Mexican origin.
The list never could decide what to call themselves.
--ggs
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 13:00:16 -0600
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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> Nope.  And I haven't celebrated any of these yet.  But I have undergone
> other rituals that I deemed as important. As a poor graduate student, I
> couldn't get anyone, not even my MOTHER, to give me a blender.  The
> assumption is that you get one when you get married.  Some friends took
> pity on me and gave me one when I passed my comps.
>
Karen, I had been married 11 years before I got a blender.  My mother
apparently bought into the idea that you get one when you get married, and
just ASSUMED that I had one.  For years she sent me neat little recipes I
could "use in my blender."  No matter how many times I hinted that I
didn't HAVE a blender, she just couldn't seem to accept the idea.  Go figure.
ndh
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Quiet Night?
Originator: rita@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:11:49 GMT

In article <Pine.3.03.9211160826.A153-7100000@formby.tenet.edu> Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU> writes:
>On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, Entropy Warrior wrote:
>
>> Pink piggy is even better.
>
>But isn't that what <boys> have?

	No, that's the little, white <rat> you're thinking of.




-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | And he spun himself right down 
155 Second Street                | into the ground. Now wasn't that 
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | lucky?  --Deadsy 
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:29:42 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: My first CS assignment: THE WAKATRON!
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Tushar on his first CS assignment:

>HISTORICAL NOTE: The use of wakae in text, for variety a of  pur-
>poses,  not  all of them clearly known but including at least (1)

How did this process get the name 'wakating'?

Joan
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     for good contemporary performers of old blues, listen to magpie
     (a d.c. based "new folk" couple w/ several albums) or pete
     kennedy.  he doesn't have the most wonderful voice (though it
     does suit the blues), but he has got to be the most talented and
     guitar player on earth.  he taught himself to play by listening
     to les paul on the radio.  what he didn't know was that what he
     was listening to was combination of sometimes three tracks dubbed
     together.  he taught himself to play them anyway.  he plays just
     about anything, at a typical concert, one can hear blues, classical,
     folk, bluegrass, country, and perhaps a bit of rock'and'roll thrown
     in for fun.  he once played t.v. theme songs, and in one of his best
     performance pieces, he ends up playing the equivalent of three fiddles
     and a guitar.  all one on little acoustic guitar, and all at the same
     time.  he's amazing.  he doesn't yet have an album of his blues stuff,
     though he may, as several of us have requested it (the folk community
     is so great), and he's currently touring with mary chapin carpenter
     but if you love guitar, and blues guitar, and you find that he's in
     your neck of the woods, you should definitely go see him.

                                                        bekka
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:18:46 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: No hay mucho tiemp
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> Sounds as though it's time to set up a Listserv just to mail out
> Brad's digests.

Don't forget that the digests are available via anonymous ftp from
ftp.msstate.edu (or isis.msstate.edu or ra.msstate.edu) in docs/words-l/
List-Stuff.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:21:00 PST
From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Quiet Night?

> For those of you out there, I feel some sort of responsibility to clog
> the system with meaningless, yet possibly inflammitory, rhetoric. I

No better place than here, right? :)

> What is the best poem to woo women?

Thomas Wyatt's _They flee from me that sometime did me seek_ would be quite
nice...actually, a lot of Wyatt's poems are quite erotic.

> Should a man be more concerned with pc or chivalry?

Chivalry.

> Jim

Emily, resident medievalist
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Subject: Re: Croning
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:36:39 GMT
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              17 Nov 1992 12:39:38 -0600 from <harwell@TENET.EDU>

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:39:38 -0600 Anne Burton Harwell said:
>
>-abh
>Who has had the privilege to know many old farts and loves them all

Thanks, Ms. bwp.....I needed that this late, cold, dreary, inversiony
    afternoon.....

The Old Fart of Potatoland
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: November 22
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> Twenty-nine years.
>
> Ken

Seems like yesterday.
--ggs
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From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Usenet question
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Emily asks:
>I'm not at all familiar with usenet, so bear with me. Are all listservs avail-
>able on usenet? I know words-l is, but I don't know about the others. Thanks!

Emily, not being too picky I hope, but listservs are just the users/software
which manage listserv-based lists -- most of which are not on usenet (from
what I understand and I don't have the time to check this out from the
global list of listserv lists).  Some are gatewayed to usenet and will usually
appear in the bit.listserv hierarchy.  Some -- e.g. earlym-l -- are renamed
when they appear on usenet -- earlym-l is rec.music.early which came about
when usenet set up rec.music.early and earlym-l then decided to set up the
gateway.  You can get a good idea of which lists are on usenet by checking
out a site (like UNC) which gets a nearly full feed and searching for 'listserv'
in the .newsrc file (assuming reading is done with nn/rn/trn) each usenet user
has.
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Posted on 20 Nov 1992 at 02:37:26 by Joan Boorstein
>gateway.  You can get a good idea of which lists are on usenet by checking
>out a site (like UNC) which gets a nearly full feed and searching for 'listserv
>in the .newsrc file (assuming reading is done with nn/rn/trn) each usenet user
>has.

As far as I can tell UNC (lambada!) doesn't have *any* of the bit.listserv.*
groups.

Karen
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (68)
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> Easily passed at the time because it was assumed that it would only be
> used against the nastiest of crooks. One on the books, the broad wording
> has been easily expanded, demonstrating the need to oppose dangerous
> laws even if they seem to target those deserving of little sympathy.
>
> Jim (maybe a "liberal" USSC will eventually overturn it) Thomas

Listening to Paul Harvey several days on the radio, I realized why
1) he is so fucking obnoxious, and 2) he is so fascinating, and
3) I can't keep from listening to him.
.
He made the comment that such-and-such was a good example of
"felons ducking behind the first amendment."  Jesus, what is the
first amendment for, if not to *duck* behind?  And isn't it there
for everyone?
It really scares me that they could confiscate my car (my beloved
Miata) if someone planted a marijuana seed in the ash tray.
And they *have* been doing this sort of thing, a lot.
Damned Reagan/Bush Supreme Court.  Who says it does not matter
whether the pres is a Demo or a Repuke?
--ggs
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From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)

>I am hardly likely to forget that genius and gargantuan stupidity are often
>to be found in close proximity, Tushar.  Certainly, I hardly need fear
>forgetting this so long as you and I remain active subscribers and
>contributors to this list.

Assuming reasonable memory on your part, I agree.

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Freedom of association update
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:So my question stands.  Would you disapprove of Illinois dealing with
:such a case (the lawsuit Steve mentioned) if they were the home of the
:American Nazi party?  And, if so, why?  What would you have them do
:about the American Nazi Party?

No.  Not on the strength of that alone.  Only if they had a history
of continuous ongoing state-supported racism/religious bigotry.

G
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: All this croning stuff
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              Kaczmarczik" at Nov 17, 92 11:45 pm

> I believe I have been misunderstood.  I said that one source said cronings
> happen at one's second Saturn return.  Other sources suggested that as a
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Susan (or anyone who knows), what does that mean, please?

Thanks, rashmi
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>Bayla: The way I have always understood "reify" is as the antonym of
>"symbolize": whereas a "symbol" is something concrete made general, made to
>stand for a whole concept, "reification" is making something which is general
>into something concrete, or at least thinking of it that way.

I don't think she wanted to know the meanings of these words. She was asking
about some academic debate about these terms (apparently there is one going
on in circles where these things are popular).

tushar
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>
>      Arthur felt happy. He was terribly pleased that the day was for once
> working out so much according to plan. Only twenty minutes ago he had decided
> he would go mad, and now here he was already chasing a Chesterfield sofa
 across
> the fields of prehistoric Earth.

Thank you, Blomberg.  You have just described by day to perfection,
and it's only 8:41 in the morning.

--
Ken Wolman   AT&T Bell Laboratories   (201)564-2866   ktw@mhwpa.att.com
        "Ihm ist, als ob es tausend Staebe gaebe
        und hinter tausend Staeben keine welt." - Rilke, "Der Panther"
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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> we say "disoriented like a decapitated chicken"? Has anyone SEEN
> a headless chicken?

Yes, many times.  Headless roosters also.
doris
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