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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Poor, poor NIN ...
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:47:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

omf@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (Oscar Fowler) writes:

> Personally, I rather like the group, but I wonder why people who DON'T
> like NIN need to express their dislike so strongly.

Put simply, and without trying to start a flame war: Many of us regard NIN
as a watered-down-for-public-consumption, safe, pop version of a genre that
is supposed to be gloriously abrasive and noncommercial.

Try to imagine how a fan of Eric B. & Rakim feels about Marky Mark or
Vanilla Ice, and you'll get the picture.

Reznor's choice of subject matter is pretty much looked down upon, too. 
Acts like Skinny Puppy, FLA, and Clock DVA discuss things like world
politics, animal testing, the death penalty, hospital waste, artificial
intelligence, etc.  NIN music is basically all "the girl left me, I hate
everything, and life sucks because I'm one depressed millionaire."  Some of
us are not impressed.
 
> The funny thing is that for such a disliked band, they sure seem to have
> sold many more records than the average not-played-on-top-40-stations
> band.  (Maybe that's a better term, or at least more generic.)

Well, NIN and the accompanying team of producers worked hard to make it
accessible to the general public.  The "least common denominator theory," as
it were.
 
> One must admit that for the vast majority of Americans, as sad as it
> may be, NIN is wildly unconventional, alternative and maybe even
> industrial.

A majority of Americans also thought that George Bush would make a great
president.  The masses don't always demonstrate a lot of high standards or
discretion (although the success of "Ren'n'Stimpy" is a good sign).
 
> PARMESAN CHEESE: Great on pasta, not great on eggs ...

Try some melted cheddar on hard-boiled.  Throw on a slice of bologna.  Sort
of the poor-man's Eggs Benadict.  I've done it before.  'Sgood.

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From: dcuddihy@nmt.edu (David Cuddihy)
Subject: What clubs fly nation-wide?
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:47:45 GMT

	...Let me revise this to be a bit more general...

Us crazy wacky zany kids here at "God Says No!" Records are trying to
zero in on the most rad dope hype fly places to play around the country.

	(This means the U.S.(continental) and Canada!)

Any leads would be quite the helpful. Really...Anything...Even if you can't
think of any cool clubs, you can mail us and tell us something completely
extraneous, like about where to find Mellow Yellow in your area, or why
bubble-gum is so often pink(yet black on sidewalks.), or maybe what nifty
local bands in your area would want to play with us when we come through...

You'd be doing us a great service just to take a few seconds out of your
busy work-day to reply and tell us what the time is in that neck of the
woods...

     We thank you very much...You're doing your people a great service!
      We're all very proud of you! Infact, if we could, GSN! would put
       a little gold star on each of your foreheads--no, make that a
	   REAL BIG gold star. Maybe even one with multi-colored
            sparkles, but we just don't have Santa's magic sled.
			 For this I apologize...

ps: when this is all said and done r.m.i. gets a big bunch of neato lists
	so we all know what clubs/radio-stations/record-stores are out
	there so other people can get their underground stuff out there!
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From: atman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Thin Layer Of Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: the young gods
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.151401.135180@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...) writes:
>>> I just got the newest Young Gods CD.  Is it called _Skin Flowers_?
>>
>I think 'Our House' and 'Summer Eyes' sound most like Jim Morrison.  The album
>is pretty good even though it is very Doors influenced.
>
>Do you think that the fact that Morrison is buried in France has anything to
>do with it? :)

Just to tidy things up, I think we should buy a gun, smuggle it to Al 
Crawford, have him bag the Orb, and then stuff his corpse into Morrison's 
grave in Paris.  Thus, the Orb <-> Young Gods <-> Jim Morrison connection 
will be complete.

Bonuses that will fall out of this action:

1)  The Orb will be idolized by millions, imitated by thousands, but will
    remain the one true (albeit dead) defender of the faith.  A movie will
    be made about him, and Those Of Us Who Were Here First can act really
    snooty.

2)  Val Kilmer looks nothing like the Orb, so the position will remain open
    for Lazlo, until he gets his sideburns into shape.

3)  We can finally find out whether or not Jim is *in there.*

Btw, if you're ever in the neighborhood, you should check out the graveyard
he's (supposedly) buried in.  It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen.  It's
full of huge, incredibly ornate graves, with fucking stone gazebos and 
protective huts, complete with stained glass, statuary, polished marble and
granite plaques with pictures of the deceased.  The place has cobbled
streets running through it, and is chock-full of visually interesting
goodies.  There is one 10-15 foot high _thing_, decorated with a circle of
stone skulls with attached wings.  Unbelievable.

It's a very nice place to rest, if you prefer being buried to being burned,
dumped at sea, shot out of a cannon, or whatever.  Lots of dead composers 
and other culture-blobs are buried there as well.  Jim has got the only 
reasonable-looking grave in the whole place.

@Man
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:34:01 GMT

pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:

>In article <0E315UQ@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de>, 
>karnabba@w253zrz.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Karner) writes...
>
>>By the way: Vince Clarke founded Yazzoo and Erasure, but he NEVER had 
>>ANYTHING to do with YAZZ (I think this is (was) an american or a 
>>"Stock, Aitken, Waterman" group!!).
>
>Well Yazzoo were called Yazz over here in the US, no seroiusly, don't ask
>me why. I had a huge argument with someone when I first arrived because
>they insisted that Yazz was an electronic group with Alison Moyet and
>not some ditsey bimbette who released two singles.

The confusion is you have an extra 'z' in there.  Yazoo was Yaz in America.
Yazz, on the other hand, is some blonde black chick doing very bad faux
house music.  I like Stock-Aiken-Waterman (well, early stuff anyway, the
last thing they did with any redeeming qualities was Kylie Minogue's first
album, and even that had that embarassingly bad cover of "The Locomotion"),
and I would never confuse them with the decidedly mediocre stuff Yazz put
out.

Of course, this is irrelevant as far as industrial music is concerned, but
I can talk about anything I want to because it's MY newsgroup.  So nyah! =b

-- 
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As you're cleaning the orange carpet, you will hear a voice that says, "Fetch 
my cigarettes."  Another voice will say, "THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR."
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From: dlkung@media.mit.edu (David Lyn Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Lots o' questions(puppy, ministry, etc.)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:49:40 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory


What's the latest on the new Ministry, track listings, definite release date
etc.  Any white label promos floating around anywhere?  Any odd or illegal
copies floating around?

Are Ogre and the rest of Puppy still friends?

Does anyone know what happened the the Lead into Gold single called
"low and slow" which was to be released last summer?  Are they
working on anything new?

Is 1000 Homo DJs on the Dead Kennedy's tribute album on Alternative Tentacles?

Is Al totally off of WaxTracks?  Will he stop doing WaxTrax side projects
ala PTP, Homo Djs etc.?  Did WaxTracks really get bought out by Sony?

Anybody got any RevCo or Ministry boots, audio or video?

What's the deal with WELT?

Does anyone have Biographical Info on Paul Barker?

thanks

-dave and factor
From: djm@progress.COM (Dave McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Carmina Burana (Industrial?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:45:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr6.214513.16863
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

I heard this song last week at a club and a friend heard it this week.
Since it's getting a lot of play, it must be brand, brand new!

It uses more than a sample from "O Fortuna" from _Carmina Burana_...
It's practically the whole song with a drum track behind it!


If anybody knows who does this, pleeeease tell me.


later man.
dave.
From: terjesa@ifi.uio.no (Terje Sannum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Front 242 Question / Review.
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:05:30 GMT
	<1992Apr3.074623.16852@etek.chalmers.se>
	<92094.084735U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: terjesa@maud.ifi.uio.no

In article <92094.084735U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> U38956@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>   I thought Daniel B was the percussionist, Patrick C. was the Keyboardist
>   and Richard 23 was the vocalist.  Someone set me straight!

R23 is the percussionist, De Meyer is the vocalist.

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From: dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Last Rights - Download
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:40:19 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

jkd2886@usl.edu (Davis Jason K) writes:

> 	Second, does anyone out there happen to have lyrics for the
> Last Rights album, or Tapeworm from Pigface, or "Hand in Hand" from
> Thrill Kill Kult?  Email or post if you do (or to smothered hope).
> Thanks...

HAND IN HAND
 
stay where you are playing with fatalities come pass the stars
as darkness crumbles bones of clay stop all this crying pass the
liquid to a cold one fates left us here to beg to wait to try
and save me from the drowning hand in hand stay by the fire
satan is a razor blade we trade back and forth left over puzzles
we lost in the war it's still all the same in the quiet should
i leave you here all alone to beg to wait to try and save
everyone from drowning hand in hand
 
SMOTHERED HOPE
 
withered rope you hang what's empty can't remain to put it simply
in time cry the hollow words to sing with false disguise
smothered hope fly from sorrow for a new devine tomorrow i just
don't want to know anymore life shifts up and down everybody
knows it's wrong it's not in the rhyme or reason so it goes
with every season crawl to top fall through bottom first hand
love is really rotten slice of life find what's plenty inch
towards a sanctuary fight with me inside the womb i know everyone
everyone knows it's me it's my voice my voice cries out obscenity
sightless eye regard my past sometimes it should i just don't
want to know anymore
 
courtesy dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.canada
thanks to CgE{tr.ly_t243T for TKK
 
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From: tisu@quads.uchicago.edu (Seth Tisue)
Subject: Re: I like the way you fill out your clothes
Keywords: trainspotter
Reply-To: tisu@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Plaster Cramp Press
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.214743.4380@u.washington.edu> watters@byron.u.washington.edu (Michael Watters) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.190024.712@canon.co.uk> tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
>>``You wanna know something Red
>>  I like you
>>  I like everything about you
>>  I like the way you fill out your clothes
>>  I've gotta soak my head under your hose''
>>
>>So where's the sample from?
>>
>>Tx. [filling out his clothes]
>>--
>>-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>
>
>Clothes Heist by Scraping Foetus off the Wheel.

A) It's "Clothes HOIST".

B) No, where's the SAMPLE from...
-- 
-- Seth Tisue (tisu@midway.uchicago.edu)
-- U.S. mail: c/o Plaster Cramp Press, P.O. Box 5975, Chicago IL 60680
"May the mystery lettered on the tigers die with me."
From: bkeeley@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brian Keeley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: _Total_, Volume 2
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:45:46 GMT

Howdy folks!
    Today I got a letter from Robert King, the editor of _Total_
("An Audio/Visual Journal for Art, Music, and Provacative
Information").  He is looking for contributions (in the form of art,
music, articles, etc.) for volume 2, the theme of which will be "The
Body".  He asked me to spread the word, so here it is. (Actually, to
tell the truth.  When I got volume 1, I got a little pissed off
about the form and content of the articles and wrote a letter to him
to complain.  The net result for this idiotic move on my part is
that now I have to write an article for the next ish. For more on my
article, see below.)
    For those not in the know, _Total_ is a magazine of art and
articles that comes with a CD. It's produced in Scotland and
distributed Stateside by Solielmoon.  Volume 1 had a CD featuring
FLA, Coil, Ege Bam Yasi, Finitribe, and many others.  A nice
collection.  The magazine featured pages done up by each of the
artists on the CD, plus articles and some other artwork. The theme
was "Control" and there was lots of (IMHO) lame stuff about
conspiracy theory, subliminals, Cults, etc.
    So, if you'd like to make the next issue more interesting and
want to contribute art, music, or articles to it. Please get in
touch with Robert ASAP at the address below.  I don't know what the
submission deadline is, but to be safe, try and do it soon.  It
would be great if we could get some of the more literate and
knowledgable contributors to r.m.i. into print or onto CD. So let's
see some motivation!!
    As for my own project, I will be writing about information
access. (I don't yet know how I'm gonna tie it into the theme, yet!)
So, how do you people get your info?  Especially info that isn't
exactly mainstream?  I know about AMOK, Lampoonics, and obviously
UseNet, but are there other sources of large amounts of
counter-culture info that you can cue me into?  Also, if you have an
opinion on the matter, also get in touch.  Anybody have anything
particularly good or bad to say about AMOK, for instance?  Any of
you 'Zine nuts out there want to tell me about _Factsheet 5_?  I
want the article to be as informative as possible, so let me know
what you think works and what doesn't.
    So, that's the goods.  Contact me at my email 'dress. _Total_
can be reached at:

Total (editor: Robert King)
P.O. Box 284
Glascow   G14 9TW
Scotland, U.K.

Tel/FAX (041) 959-4201

Doing my best to expand the industrial culture,

Reality
       @ucsd.edu
From: bkeeley@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brian Keeley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Godflesh vs Swans
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:27:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.31576
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr10.145335.12887@eua.ericsson.se> etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten.Sahlen) writes:
>I haven't really paid attention to all the stir about Godflesh in this 
>newsgroup, but anyway, I went to check them out live the other day.
>
>In the midst of their appearance, while being lost in an atonal maelstom and
>had my head banged in a wall of sound from hell, it felt like a deja-vu
>experience; I knew I had heard this before.
>And yes, it was reminiscent of a night back in '84 when I went to a concert
>with the early Swans. Here I could find the same nihilistic attitude towards
>the music, the same fragmentary lyrics, the fury, the despair...
>
>Later on I went home, quite staggered, wondering if someone else have seen the
>parallels. Well, has anyone, or am I mistaken?

I'd like to second this confusion.  In a letter I wrote recently
(but never got around to uploading and posting), I reviewed the new
Swans _Body to Body_ compilation (which I quited enjoyed, BTW).  So
I ask the same question: what (other than the addition of a drum
machine) does Godflesh add to the sound Gira and the boys
(pre-Jarboe) were putting out *ten* years ago??  I don't mean to
slam Godflesh, they're quite good at imitating the Swans.  And
seeing that Michael is now imitating a depressed Lenny Cohen meets
Kierkegaard, its nice to know somebody is carrying on the "wall of
sound" tradition.  But it's not original.

Reality

P.S. I have to admit that this post is partly generated by the fact
that every Godflesh-fanatic I've ever met (and we're talking over a
dozen) were under 20 yrs. old and registered a blank stare whenever
I asked them what they thought of the Swans.  At this point, I just
walk away without even mentioning the Velvet Underground. :-(
From: bbs-jtjohnso@jwt.UUCP (Joseph Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Minitry Lyrics : In Case You Didn't Feel Like...
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:14:32 GMT
Organization: The Matrix

Does anyone out there have the lyrics to In Case You Didn't Feel Like 
Showing Up   <Live> ?????   Please send them to me if you do.. thanks!
From: ogre@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: performing industrial live
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:20:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm in an industrial band that's planning on gigging around this summer.
Does anyone out there who has experience in this regard have any advice?
(sorry to be so vague, but i can't think of anything specific, and
i'm sure that there are lots of things i'm overlooking).
any tips or anecdotes would be appreciated.
o
uueun
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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Controled Breeding
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:59:25 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
: 
: There's a CD out titled _Hog_Floor_ that has some interesting stuff on it.
: Some early stuff that's noisy to the extreme, and some other unreleased
: stuff that, while not as earsplitting as their noise sculptures, is
: interesting in its own right.  So far, that's the only CD I've seen with
: Controlled Bleeding's name on it.  If there are any others, please let me
: know.

Goodness, there are tons.  I have the following releases by C.B.:
	Body Samples CD
	Hog Floor CD
	Trudge CD
	Songs from the Ashes CD
	Phlegm Bag Spattered CD
	Curd LP
	Knees and Bones LP
	Core LP
	The Fodder Song/Words (of the Dying) EP
	Songs From the Grinding Wall EP
	(split w/Uncommunity) Across the Stagnant Pond cassette
	Shitslipper cassette

And I know of several more.  "Core" has been re-issued on CD but I
haven't seen it yet (it's on Dossier from Germany).  The "Phlegm
Bag Spattered" CD, from Dark Vinyl, contains material from the same
sessions that produced "Knees and Bones," the first CB album.  There
is another CD coming from Wax Trax, and there will also be one
released this summer by Alchemy Records in Japan.  Paul's also busy
recording some more Skin Chamber material, and will be touring this
summer as Controlled Bleeding.  He also just finished assembling the
"Dry Lungs 5" compilation, which will be a double CD on Subterranean
Records, to be released in a month or two.

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             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
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From: nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira)
Subject: Re: LYRIC REQUEST - NON
Summary: ZIP-PID-DE-DOO-DAH ZIP-PID-DE-DAA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:43:14 GMT

In article <H0VHBB8T@cc.swarthmore.edu> etamuzs1@cc.swarthmore.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.174859.29073@athena.mit.edu> nivekogr@athena.mit.edu
>(Christopher M Teixeira) writes:
>>In article <jwells.0301@bfield.uucp> jwells@bfield.uucp (Justin Wells) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr14.174356.10965@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>>>bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>>>>COULD ANYONE FOWARD ME A COPY OF THE LYRICS TO
>>>>'CRUENTA VOLUPTUS' BY NON?
>>> 
>>>Huh?  My copy of this, on the TYRANNY OF THE BEAT (mute/grey area)
>compilation is just fluctuating noise?  Lyrics?  What copy do you have?
>>> 
>>>                                                     Justin
>>   After numerous careful listenings I'd have to agree with Justin's
>> appraisal -- nothing approaching lyrics to my ears.
>>
>> -Chris Teixeira
>>
>
>Uh, guys? I think it was a joke. There was a PS or a signature that pointed to
>this too....can't remember what it was, though....
>
>Edis

  Uh, guy?  If you had read the rest of my post rather than deleting
 some of it (and understood what I was joking about) you would have
 realized that I, too, was sporting with humour.

   Oh well...

 -Chris Teixeira
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: DEPECHE MODE MURDERS ROUTE 66
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:54:12 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

WARNING! WARNING! THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS MENTIONS OF GROUPS WHO ARE CLASSED
MORE AS SYNTH-POP THAN INDUSTRIAL. THOSE OF A NERVOUS DISPOSITION MAY WISH
TO MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ARTICLE.

And lo, mute@wpi.WPI.EDU (Madman Omar) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Also, the Orchestral Manoevers in the Dark album Dazzle Ships has a lot
> in common with Radio-Activity and Computer World...

Hardly surprising - Andy McCluskey has always acknowledged Kraftwerk as a
big influence, probably his *biggest* influence in fact. He positively
worships them. This is evidenced by his cover version of "Neon Lights" on
the album _Sugar Tax_. Despite the fact that I think he's mauled the track
somewhat, he lifts vast tracts of the Kraftwerk original. I don't think he
sampled it *directly*, but he certainly seems to have sampled all the synth
sounds. Then spoiled it all but sticking a house beat underneath. He did
have permission from the 'Werk though, and they went as far as to suggest
that they'd like to collaborate with him in the future.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
       "Breakdown. Splinter. A thousand fragments disperse and die."
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