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From: lander@hydra.rtp.dg.com (Howard Lander)
Subject: alesis mailing list/ patches
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:29:08 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

I recently (Saturday) purchased an Alesis Qudraverb GT. I am wondering if
there is an alesis user's mailing list or if not if there is any interest
in starting such a group? I would guess the main topic of conversation
would be sharing patches. Since I am a beginner, I don't have any to share
right now, but I am hoping to come up with some. My main interest is in
reverb sounds for recording, but I bought the GT model mainly because it
really wasn't much more money. So if any one knows of an existing group
or wants to help start one or has any advice/patches to share with a new
alesis owner, drop me a line.

Thanks

Howard Lander
lander@dg-rtp.dg.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: 8 track suggestions, please
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:58:49 GMT

I'm planning to set up a home recording setup. Here's what I have in 
mind:

	8 track cassette deck (Tascam 488, 688 ?)
	Drum Machine
	PC as sequencer (what SW should I use ?)
	Synth (Kurzweil K2000, Korg M1 ?)

As you can see, MIDI will be used extensively, so I need MIDI synch.
I understand that the TASCAM 488 will need an external MIDI synch box,
(Tascam MTS30), while the 688 has it built in.

Any thoughts on the above items? An ADAT is out of the question,
and the TASCAM 8 track reel-to-reel is probably more than I'd like
to spend, even at the current very good price.

Robert

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Ungermann-Bass Inc.

DISCLAIMER:
    Opinions contained herein are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of Ungermann-Bass.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: Re: Mandolin info requested on instrument style and price negotiatin
Reply-To: shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:58:18 GMT

I tried to email Dan but it bounced ...

In article <5960@maserati.qsp.UUCP> Dan writes:

|> Another thing I'd like to know from the mandowizards out there is:
|> how does the appearance of A-style differ from that of the F-style
|> (i.e. I have a mandolin - how do I tell what kind I have?)?

There are several styles of mandolin.  I'll describe a few:
  
Neopolitan : round multi-piece back, like a lute.

"A" style : tear drop shaped - most with "F" holes nowadays- but 
those built before 1930 usually have oval sound holes - which make a 
BIG difference in the sound.  Oval holes produce that "old timey" sound.

F-style (F is for Frorentine).  These are more expensive and generally 
louder.  They have the scroll on the upper bought of the body. The F-5 
model (developed by Gibson in 1921 - by Loyd Loar) is the "state of the 
art" of mandolin design.  Good Loar F-5 copies run about $3000 plus or 
minus $500.  Original signed Loars run $20,000 to $30,000 - and climbing.
But I digress ...

Army-Navy style - originated by Gibson for the military ( I forget when/
the 30's perhaps)- Flatiron and Gibson still make these.  These are flat
top and back (not carved like A's and F's.)  They are LOUD and clear but
not as popular as the carved top models.

There is also an entire family of mandolins that correspond to the viol 
family:  picalo mandolin, mandolin, mandola, octave mandolin (bazouki),
mando-cello (my favorite), and mando bass.  Mando basses are best described 
as exceptionally fine conversation pieces.  Dobro and banjo mandolins,
mando-lutes, and other strange and wonderful mandos lurk out there ...

|> Daniel Benbenisty               Guitarist for EARWURM

--
Shelley R. Heard (shelley@heard.b30.ingr.com)
Acoustic Guitar & Mandolin player for "The Mostly Harmless Band"

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Re: Concrete questions on music reading
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: music, reading
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:25:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.122938.10864@leland.Stanford.EDU> ferejohn@leland.Stanford.EDU (john ferejohn) writes:
>In article <C0KJJC.C0v@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> norlin@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin) writes:
>
>>My general, umbrella question is:  How should I 'look at' sheet music to
>>sight read it?  
>>
>>(1)  Do sight readers "see" in sheet music:
>>     a. Absolute notes, i.e., "D, F, A, C, D"
[etc.]

Once you get used to it, you see it all different ways.  You must 
remember that it takes a long time to learn to read words (like,
several years) and even longer to become fluent.  You start out
putting the individual letters together and figuring out what they
are, then you start to pick out familiar words without having to
read each letter separately, etc.
>
>I know keyboardists and experienced guitar players
>also see things in terms of chard progressions.

Me, I see them as salad progressions, or maybe lunch progressions.

Sadly, the answer is Practice, Practice, Practice.  Nothing else will
help very much.  Start with a piece of music that has very few notes
in it (just F,A,C,E for instance--write it yourself if you have to) and
only half and quarter notes.  Set a metrognome (:-) to a tempo that
lets you play thru the piece without stopping.  Then get faster/more
complex.  Keep at it.

Dennis
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: LindaMc@world.std.com (Linda M McInnis)
Subject: Re: Sound "proofing" a room and Bass Traps
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:36:57 GMT


Another solution that deadens the sound at least partially are those 
egg crate mattress pads-you won't get rid of the bass that way but it
does calm the nerves of roomates on occasion.  Ceiling and walls will
at least help.

Use this in addition to your other precautions and you may be alright.

Linda



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From: bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan S. Campbell)
Subject: Re: 808 and 303 sounds, composing on the Sun
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratories
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:06:26 GMT

In article <C0CnBF.4u2@nit.pactel.com>, eric@nit.pactel.com (Eric Pederson)
wrote:
> 
> 1) What are the recommendations of the readers on generating 303 bass
>    and 808 drum sounds from *available* MIDI-ready equipment.  303's and 808's
>    are pretty much out of circulation these days.


   Well, I've been fervently searching for synth's capable of reproducing
that unique 303 bass for about 6 months now.  808's are easy...  just buy a
DR-660, and you'll get all of the good instruments from the 808 AND the 909
(the 909 is a bit more dancier, and has a harder kick, more realistic
cymbols, fatter snare).  There's a card out for the R-8 (which I have) that
has 26 sounds from the 909/808/CR-76/TB303 (don't get excited...  there's
only one 303 sound, and it's not very tweakable, considering it's a
sample).  

   The closest I've come to reproducing the TB303 sound on a synth is with
the Roland Super Jupiter MKS80 rack-mount analog synth module.  It comes
really close to that groovy "acid" sound, and it's VERY "tweakable".  It
does seem to be missing something though.  It's hard to put my finger on,
but I could easily tell you which instrument was playing if you blindfolded
me, and had a riff going on each.  It's not quite as isolated a sound (if
that makes any sense at all).  I also have a Super JX MKS70 that doesn't
come quite as close...  It's got other avenues for exploration though,
which make it worth the money.  If you're not edit-happy, I wouldn't try to
reproduce it on any synth...  Just hold out and try to find one in a pawn
shop or something (easier said than done, I know...).

    You can find MKS80's for about $1000-$1500 (and believe me, it can do
ALOT more than imitate a 303).  You'd definately need an editor for it
though, and those are _extremely_ hard to come by (I lucked out).

    Hope that helps...

Bryan C.

P.S.  If you manage to do better than I in finding a good subsitute for a
303,    
      by all means, let me know what synth you used.  I _am_ edit-happy... 
:)
From: jeffp@hot100.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Where Should I Post This?
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:36:58 GMT
Reply-To: jeffp@hot100.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hot100.ebay.sun.com


I'm looking to join a working Band in the South Bay area of San Francisco.

I'm a combo Chris Isaac, John Lennon, Elvis with a guitar.  I've had

about 6 or 7 years experience doing gigs.  People like my voice, I write

songs, and currently I have a huge studio in San Jose just waiting for a

Band to make use of it.  I'm a hard worker and used to making about 600 to 800

bucks a month average in a 4 piece, but I'll hang in for less to start with and

help the group to get more and better gigs with my contacts.
  
I'm looking to fit into a group as lead singer or a supporting component.

e-mail back or   

Call Me At (408) 379-1675 and leave a message if I don't anwser.  Thanks,

                                                                  J. Wayne
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From: barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: A Message to Brian Rost
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:00:06 GMT
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Brian,

	I tried your address of "rost@tecrus.dec.com", but it bounced.

	Here is my message:

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To: rost@tecrus.dec.com
Subject: Re: Recording Off an 8ohm Spkr Output
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:47:08 -0600
From: barothwe
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Brian,

>I have an old schematic for a totally passive mixer for recording from speaker
>outputs.  A one-channel version would do what you want to do.  It doesn't of
>course "emulate" the speaker and requires the speaker to remain connected.

	Yes, please me this schematic, OK?

Thanks very much,

Bruce Rothwell
From: ama@marley.East.Sun.COM (Al Amaral - SunSelect)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Hammond questions
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:40:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: marley.east.sun.com

In article <1993Jan8.214046.3280@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> gehman@iscp.bellcore.com (Andrew Gehman) writes:
>I recently acquired a Hammond E-182 organ and a Leslie 351
>(used of course) and I have a few questions I was hoping
>that someone could help me with.
>(2) The Hammond's manual mentions oiling the motor (and I
>    found a tube of oil in the back), but it doesn't say
>    how. It refers to some card that I don't have for the
>    instructions. Can anyone describe how to oil it?

There's usually a small cup (about the size of a quarter), with 1 or more
tubes coming out of the bottom of it inside the organ, above the tone 
generators.  I think that there's also some kind of material there which 
soaks up the oil.  You are supposed to keep that pad moist with oil, a 
couple of drops a month or so I believe.  It is supposed to slowly allow 
the oil to drip out and follow the tubes down to the proper lube sites.

Just don't run the organ if the pad is dry...

>(5) I paid $300 for both. Think I got a good deal?
>    (Sorry, I couldn't resist the gloat :-)

A friend bought an old Hammond B3 a couple of months ago.  It had been owned
by a guy that did organ repairs, and had used his B as a parts source.  Of
course he had ordered all new parts for his B...  Unfortunately he died and
left the B in pieces.  His widow placed an add for a free Hammond organ, just
wanting to get rid of it.  When my friend called and she described it, and
said all the parts are here, just in a zillion boxes, just take it away,
he almost soiled his pants.  He felt so guilty he ended up MAKING her take 
$100 for the lot, including a ton of extra tubes and Leslie parts.

A couple of dozen hours of work later and he's got a perfectly working B3.

>-- Andy Gehman
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From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: What's a "vocal mike"? (Re: FOR SALE:NEW mics)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:33:41 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <C0F0IL.IG4@megatest.com> djones@megatest.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>                                                          So I got a 58 a
>couple of years ago and I've like it just fine. Now I find out that it's
>"great for vocals" but the 57 is "excellent for instruments". I thought
>the idea was to reproduce the sound accurately in either case.

>'Splain please.

No, I don't find that the idea is to reproduce the sound accurately.  I know
that seems strange, but consider:  No microphone will ever be 100% accurate;
they all color the sound in one fashion or another.  There are warm and cold
sounding mics, and clean and gritty sounding mics).  Typically a microphone's
application is chosen because it provides the desired coloration in that
application.

Many people fail to recognize the distinction between a music production
system and a music reproduction system.  A goal of the latter is typically
accurate sound (That's why they are called Hi-Fi's, they (sometimes!) exhibit
a high degree of fidelity to the original sound.), but the former are free to
exhibit a wide variety of distortions, as long as they are the distortions
we desire.  This is why a Fender Bassman makes a great blues guitar amp,
but a poor vocal reinforcement amp.  In both cases, we are looking for
amplification, but in only one case do we want the signal to be tampered
with on its way from input to output.

Does that help 'splain? ;-)

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Subject: QuadraVerb GT For Sale!
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:07:26 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

For Sale:

	QuadraVerb GT

		Guitar preamp/Multi-effects unit (can be used individually 
also).

		Reverb, Panning, Tremelo, EQ, Distortion, Compression, Noise 
Gate, Speaker Cab Emulator, Delay, Multi-tap Delay, Sampling and more.

		Perfect condition - never left my home studio.


				$450


				Reply via E-Mail.


					Ken Morton


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Ken F Morton
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: steve@iphase.com (Steve Kappes)
Subject: Re: Sound "proofing" a room and Bass Traps
Organization: Interphase Corporation, Dallas Texas
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:32:37 GMT

In article <C0HKHM.IAx@world.std.com> LindaMc@world.std.com (Linda M McInnis) writes:
>
>Another solution that deadens the sound at least partially are those 
>egg crate mattress pads-you won't get rid of the bass that way but it
>does calm the nerves of roomates on occasion.  Ceiling and walls will
>at least help.
>
>Use this in addition to your other precautions and you may be alright.
>
>Linda
>

You need to be careful about choosing mattress pads over real acoustic foam.
I have read that the most mattress pads have very little absorbtion
capability.  A comparison of one confirms this is true for that particular
pad.

I'm reading a book now called The Acoustic Handook, Vol 2.  This
book is mostly about studio design rather than sound deadening, but you can
get that kind of information indirectly from it.  There seem to
be alot of suitable materials for controlling mids to highs, but mass
seems to be the only cure for lows.  Except that avoiding direct coupling
would be the first step.

If you would like the exact title and author of this book, send mail
and I'll send it to you.

This book discusses the use of bass traps, which the original poster mentioned.
It does not discuss their construction, however.  They appear to be simple
to make, I would be interested in any information someone has seen on that.

Steve Kappes   steve@iphase.com  Interphase Corp.
>
>
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines])
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: What are 303's and 808's?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:25:42 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Ohio State University

you say the 909 has a SYNC in.

a SYNC << IN >>.

not OUT. that is the big trick. techno bands usually use a 909 with the clock 
running off the 707 and IT also sending a SYNC out to the legendary 303.


DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT!!!!! i would have instantly bought your 909 in 
half a heartbeat and i could probably use another 202 and 303, i have one of 
each already. i also want to get a 606 someday..

oh well. i was told about a 909 once about 2 months ago but i missed it. and 
someone was also selling one in california for a measly $675!!!! shit. waay too
much.


sines
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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Drummer wanted, Boston Area
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:55:25 GMT


By day, we are three overeducated technoids.  By night, we are the
bass player, guitarist, and lead singer of a band, playing power pop
and cutting-edge music similar to what you might hear on WFNX.  (If
you don't know what WFNX plays, then you're too far away from us,
either physically or musically).

We're not doing this for a living, but we're serious about musical
competence: we've played with some cool people (e.g. one of us played
with Matthew Sweet) and some not-so-cool people (e.g. one of us
played with Barry Manilow).

We are all in Cambridge, MA.  We're looking for a drummer who learns
quickly, plays solidly, and shares our schizoid lifestyle.  Vocals are
a plus (all three of us sing).

If this sounds like you, please send mail or call.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
(617) 497-5325



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From: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Subject: Re: Concrete questions on music reading
Keywords: music, reading
Reply-To: corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:24:47 GMT

In article <james.726859233@wrs.com> james@wrs.com writes:
>jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:
>
>>To this day, unless I concentrate fairly hard,
>>when I see, say, a note on the second-from-bottom line of the staff,
>>I tend to see "third finger on the D string", not "G".

James Moore replies:

>My question is, why do you think this is a handicap?

Well, in the best of all possible worlds, the written pitch
should equate a sound in your mind/imagination/"inner ear",
and not simply an action on your instrument. I think this
is the point Jon is making when he recommends sight-singing.
In Europe one learns solfege before picking up an instrument;
I find this very valid. Imagination should direct playing.

I recommend "The Pianist's Talent" for discussion of these and
other issues.
From: danb@zx.qsp.UUCP (Daniel Benbenisty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: more 8 track info needed
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:47:11 GMT
Organization: Quality Software Products, LA, CA

In article <rfries.163@sceng.ub.com> rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries) writes:
>
>Are there any 1/4" 8 track recorders? If so, are there any users there who'
>d care to comment on their performance?

Fostex makes a 1/4" 8-track which uses dolby noise reduction (instead of
Tascam's dbx).  I've heard that overall it isn't as good as a 1/2",
but I'd be curious to hear from users....

>
>I know Tascam makes TSR-8 (1/2"), but at $2375 without a board, I'd like to 
>consider something less expensive, if it's an improvement over cassette.
>
>Any suggestions for 8 track home recording deck and board, cassette or
>reel-to-reel ?
>

Guitar Center (213 874-1060) in Hollywood, CA, is offering a package
deal of a TSR-8 plus a Tascam M1508 mixer for $2995.  They also
offer TSR-8+M1516 for $3495 (my recommendation).

Or you could wait around for ADAT and Tascam's 8-track digital deck
to come down in price (they are having some serious price wars, I hear....).

>>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===>	danb@qsp.com
Daniel Benbenisty		Guitarist for EARWURM
From: eric@nit.pactel.com (Eric Pederson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: midi to sync wanted
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:10:42 GMT
Organization: Pac*Tel Corporation

I'd like to run an old Roland TB-303 with a Sync In jack via MIDI.
Are there conversion boxes/cables available to do this?
-- 
Eric Pederson                                       Pac*Tel Corporation
eric@nit.pactel.com                                        510-210-8890
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Carvin Speakers
Followup-To: pturner@sedona.intel.com
Originator: pturner@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:26:55 GMT


Hello all...

Does anyone out there currently own (or have previously owned) Carvin speaker 
enclosures? I'm considering getting a one of the mid-range and bass speaker 
combo units.

Comments?

	Thanks,

	Pete
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From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Marantz 4-track opinions, anyone??
Date: 5 Jan 1993 06:56:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

I have an uncle who is interested in getting a 4-track; he particularly
likes the layout and ergonomics of the Marantz 4-track that has been
gracing their ads lately.  I haven't chased one down to listen to yet,
and am wondering if I should bother.  Opinions, experiences anyone?
(on the marantz only; I have my own opinions on vestax, tascam, et al...)

Thanks

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