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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Gear
Keywords: what's next, a _Volvo_???
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:25:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Jul25.193712.25362@isc-br.isc-br.com> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.225443.8731@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.200410.6951@isc-br.isc-br.com> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>>extra half a right angle in through brain fade, and everybody wants to
>>>publicly ridicule him.  I'm surprised Seth hasn't drummed me out of the
>>>HOG corps.  I get no mercy around here.  Sniff. Sniff.)
>
>>Not only does Carl space the simple geometry, he just bought a (ready gang)
>>MINIVAN!
>
>Neither mercy nor respect!  Bill, I'm deeply hurt that my private
>shame, which was revealed to you in strictest confidence via e-mail,
>and which was revealed ONLY because of your whining and groveling for
>somebody to carry groceries to the GPNDG, has now been aired in public
>forum so that all may rub salt in my festering sores.

Just for the record, Carl, the kind-heart, generous, honorable first class
guy he is volunteered his minivan over the Great Pacific Northwest Dryside
Gather mail server for all who have subscribed to read.  I _NEVER_ violate
the sanctity of email privacy--unless of course Ed Hackett is up to something
again.  Right gang :-)))

Ride Free,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
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johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu if you seriously expect an answer
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If you do not understand, things are just as they are.
                                                        Zen verse
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Weird, wild shifting!
Date: 30 Jul 1992 14:06:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 8682@ncar.ucar.edu, bean@golem.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>
>My bike has decided that it does not like to downshift, 
>When it does shift down, it makes a VERY unpleasant and lound clunk.
>
>YES, I have tried pulling in the clutch. :^)
>YES, I have tried slowing down to facilitate the shift. 

Try blipping the throttle.

One of the main things I got out of CLASS was that I didn't know
*anything* about downshifting.  I was either clunking it down, or
chirping the rear tire (or both).  It was hard for me to get into the
habit of doing, but revving the throttle up to match the rpm of the
engine with the speed of the rear tire makes for a nice smooth shift.
The hard part is that, coming into a corner, applying the front brake,
rolling off the throttle, and just in general SLOWING DOWN, it is hard
to do an action that my brain equated with SPEEDING UP, ie, twisting
the throttle.

It does work, though.  The same thing works for clutchless shifting,
weight the shift lever with the throttle rolled off, then blip the
throttle up, and the gears snick down into place.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: tip
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:53:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul20.143605.9861@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:
> I was almost hit the other day!
> 
> Moral: NEVER assume that people who are backing
> out of their driveways are looking.  


No, the moral is: never assume that people are looking.  Or awake.  Or
sober. Or intelligent.  Or that they have any depth-perception.  Or
any other perception.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: acuff@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Richard Acuff)
Subject: Re: Braking Secrets of the Pros Revealed
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:16:30 GMT

In article <3846.2A76C22B@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
> 
> Wednesday July 29 1992 00:22, Manish Vij wrote to All:
> 
>  MV> MSF teaches that you get maximum braking _without_ locking either wheel,
>  MV> because the coefficient of sliding friction (tire against slab) is much
>  MV> lower than the coefficient of sliding friction for brake pad against
>  MV> rotor.
> 
> They also tell you that only years of successful racing teaches someone to
> perform full modulation braking. The CHP solution is for normal mortals.
> 
> For an average rider, who isn't trained by years of racing, the fastest
> stop is most likely a full locked rear tire (held locked until the moto
> comes to a complete stop) and as much front brake as can be grabbed.

Why bother with the rear brake at all?  It seems like the biggest effect of
locking it would be to increase your chances of falling down.  

However, it seems to me that a little practice and training can go a long
way toward allowing even non-racers to be able to use both breaks effectively.
Of course, on dry pavement, late-model sport bikes get no benefit from the
rear brake, so it may not matter much there.  More touring oriented bikes
or riding two-up makes the rear more useful.

I'd say, practice, practice, practice.

	-- Rich
From: tmolina@csource.oz.au (Tony Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Australian motorcyclists - do we need our own group?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:10:05 +1000

To: jef@ansto.gov.au


In a message dated 07-17-92  23:20 Jason Fearon spoke thus to All 

 JF> So where do I e-mail I hear you keen aussie motorcyclists asking.  ok
 JF> If you want to be on the list and register a vote for aus.motorcycles
 JF> or maybe even rec.motorcycles.aus e-mail me at:

Hi Jason,

Yep, well I certainly would support the creation of an Aussie motorcyle
area. There certainly seems to be enough of us down here to warrant
it!  :-)


Stay upright!

= Tony Molina =


tony@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au
7 Freight Road, Tullamarine Victoria
(03)331-0383 b/h
(03)304-1475 a/h



... Catch the Blue Wave!
 * Origin: God is REAL unless declared as an INTEGER (3:635/526.0)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Ridership doubles on ride to work day
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:13:31 GMT


Well I'd say the ride to work day campaign was a hugh monumental
success.  Today there are two bikes in the motorcycle parking
area where I work, yesterday there was one.  No one I talked
to about it had heard of it (no riders that is).  I didn't
notice any increase here in Colorado Springs, How about
anywhere else?

Mark Wallace, Castle Rock, CO
From: bcd@spinaltap.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bryan Dunlap)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ducati for sale
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:58:20 GMT
	<BOWERS.92Jul24122035@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
	<1992Jul24.231724.14686@sequent.com> <4213@equinox.unr.edu>
	<BCD.92Jul29143544@spinaltap.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: OSU Computer & Info. Science Dept.
Originator: bcd@spinaltap.cis.ohio-state.edu

Hrm.  It has been pointed out to me that Ed was joshing.  He even
rides an 80 900SS.  I am told it's in his .sig, which I must admit to
not reading, and I don't have it handy.  Color me gullible.

Hey, at least I didn't fall for that corny llama-induced
exploding-motorcycle crash story on April 1st. :-)

Anyone going to the AMA races at Mid-Ohio this weekend?  BC and I are
meeting Amir at the CA Superbike School display at 14:00 Saturday;
other Denizens or netters will also be well-met at that time and
place... 

Bryan Dunlap, OSU CIS IICF/LAIR      | Giving money and power to government is
bcd@cis.ohio-state.edu  614/292-6350 | like giving whiskey and car keys to 
2036 Neil Ave. Columbus OH 43210     | teenage boys.  -- P.J. O'Rourke
DoD 881   AMA 653094   '75 GT250   '76 CB360T
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: 85 Nighthawk 650S Recomendation sought
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:58:18 GMT

dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker ) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.041410.9507@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>>Nice looking bike, takes violent exception to being deprived of oil.
>>This is known as "Ilana Syndrome". (Just to see if she's reading. :-)

>	The dealer I bought the bike from also cautioned me about running
>	the engine low on oil, especially the 84 models (which mine is.)

[Tale of another thirsty Nighthawk deleted]

>	I never really noticed the engine burning much oil before. Do you
>	think it was mostly do to the sustained high revs for long
>	periods of time? This is the first long trip I have taken the
>	bike on.

Yep, high rpm running for an extended period of time can increase oil
consumption in an older engine. I've seen the same thing on my old
GS1000E, if it's run around town, or on short trips, it doesn't use much
oil, but a long run at 60-80 (or maybe a bit more :-) will burn oil far
quicker.

There have been at least two net.Nighthawk 700s eat all their oil, and
then their engines. Loss of power and funny noises seem to mean that
adding more oil now probably won't do any good. :-)  On a long trip I'd
check the oil level at every stop, and pack a quart or two of oil.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Subject: Georgia....
Summary: Need advice
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:57:22 GMT


	frustration is...

	... missing the rcr
	... using the 'k' key to read the entire rec.moto noise for the
	    day (even without counter steering and lance holst).
	... being in new jersey with your bike sitting in massachussetts.

	.... its time to ride .... and here's where i need some 'R's and
	'F's from you bike.gurus. i am planning to ride down to
	milledgeville, goergia, from montclair, new jersey next weekend
	weather permitting. i would appreciate all responses on:
	-  interesting routes
	-  short routes
	-  survival equipment (that will fit on my gs500e)
	-  good stopover places

	and any other advice/opinion/flame/name-calling (who me?
	starved for attention?? no way!!! ;). as the gentlemen (no doubt
	of democratic bent of mind) says (with reference to voting for
	rmh) "reply early, reply often" ;).

	happy riding,

	- ravi


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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: one denizen's account of the RCR
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5392@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>
>-did we really drink *that much* beer?

Seven cases, with about 8-10 beers left over in the morning.  From memory:
Corona, Killian Red, Heiniken, Lowenbrow, Molson, Moosehead, ??

A case each of Coke and 7-Up were completely consumed.

We bagged the bottles and cans and left them by the trash cans.
Whether Tom recycled them or dumped them with the rest of the trash I
have no idea.

>-the award for prettiest bike goes to .... 33-way tie for first!

Wow!  My truck got a "prettiest bike" award!  Amazing!


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: pdsmith@bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:40:52 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: pdsmith@spca.bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <151envINNs8c@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>Remember that in the real world, police are exempt from all traffic
>laws (who's gonna write the ticket).  In the absence of lights and
>sirens, and uniforms, police are de-facto exempt from all minor traffic
>laws.
>

My sister, the lawyer (and, oddly enough, owner of a llama), once got someone
off of an "improper backing" ticket.

A town employee, while working, backed a town truck into a parked car and
as a result got a ticket for 'improper backing'.   Although obviously
guilty, he decided to fight (that one ticket would tip him over the edge
and he'd lose his truck licence).

My sister got him off!  It turns out that in Idaho (*), the 'improper
backing' law specifically excludes town employess on business.  Presumably
the speeding laws are similar, and exclude police cars, fire trucks,
ambulances, and any well-connected politician.


				Peter D. Smith

DoD #6260 "Mom"

(*) Or, in Japanese,
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		  )    /     |   / /   ____|____
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	      /    /  |      |  \        / | \
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: brand-new seca knocked over by ruffians
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:11:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.082909.20529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Cliff Weston) writes:
|i should come home, i ask why, she says there was a fight in the parking lot
|and my bike was knocked over.

Just goes to show--Work to Ride, Ride to work.  :-)  Seriously, around here 
I feel much more comfortable having my bike in the parking lot at work, with
the surviellance cameras, and my alarm within earshot of guards with
radios, than I do leaving it chained all alone in the parking lot at
home.

My sympathies.  My Connie got her first scrape the first week I had her.  I 
know how it is.

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:42:56 -0400 
From: Steve Slominski <ss2q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Share your scare stories:Ever put the bike down two-up?
	<1992Jul23.171514.14982@ncar.ucar.edu>
Distribution: usa


Yep, my first-ever dump came this way, just over a month ago.

It was on a steep hill near the end of a back road that I was taking
from one nicely twisty road to a better, nicely twisty road as my
girlfriend and I returned from an outdoor concert.  Unforunately, I'd
only ridden the road once before (in the daytime) and I really didn't
recall that the hill was a pair of right-angles, the first to the left
and the second to the right about thirty feet later.  When the headlight
dropped to where I could see the first of these approaching, I had just
enough time to note that it was also *off camber* before I had the front
brake (which should have been bled and refilled a couple weeks ago)
doing what it could and the rear wheel locked and sliding out to the
right; the second skid took us down into a six-foot slide on the asphalt
and into the dirt shoulder, with the bike preceeding us in a small
shower of sparks.  I also remember hearing a little scream of surprise
from behind me...

Damage turned out to be minimal: eight stitches in my elbow and a hip
brush-burn ('cause I had on leather jacket and boots); twelve or so
elbow stitches, a monstrous vivid purple bruise on the hip and a bad
ankle scrape for her (due to the sweatshirt and sneakers choice :-{ ). 
The bike needed a new left handlebar weight and rear turn signal, a new
mounting arm for the luggage rack and lights bulbs and lens for its
slide-on trunk, plus some judicious bending of footpegs and foot brake
lever to make them useable again...   There's one small scrape on the
engine case which I'm not going to worry about, but most of the impact
was absorbed by myself, my girlfriend... and the Plexifairing, which was
reduced to four loosely connected pieces.

The best part, though, has to be that she's willing to ride with me
again even though that was only her fourth ride with me (and fifth in
her life).  We had a couple of days off from work to talk about
everything related to the accident, including that conversation we never
had of the possibilities we're really facing each time we get on the
bike.  We got to see each other's reactions under stress, and I even
shared some succinct thoughts on the risks of riding that I'd culled
from this board a couple of years ago (thanks, J. Sloan).  In the end,
we made the best of an unfortunate situation and got to know each other
much better, as well as learning a few things about preparing one's
passengers for the realities of riding.

~STEVE~


------------

Steve Slominski
Recruiting Coordinator, Career Center
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh
ss2q@andrew.cmu.edu  (412)268-2064
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Be a Non-Donor!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:04:00 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Jul19.014309.8135@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>and anyone who wants to make doning organs manditory can get in line
>for a good swift kick in the ass by me.

I agree. There's no way I would don organs. Yucko.

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "Nothing is as overrated as a bad fuck or    *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  as underrated as a good shit."              * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |             -Laswxzqplo Nemeth, DoD #666     *
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New TV show with motorcycles
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:53:18 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <sqpm6mj@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
>    "Zen Came Bronson" ?

This is the second time I've heard the word "bronson" used in reference
to motorcycles.  The Corbin seat catalog has all these goofy-looking
seats they describe as having that "bronson look."  So, I really must ask,
what the heck is a bronson?  (My best guess:  Some memorable pre-war
bike, like Henderson or something.)

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: M/C Prices (plus tax, lic, freight, doc., etc., etc.)
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:05:44 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <35713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cote@cs.ucsd.edu (Brad Cote) writes:
>erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup) writes:
>An old motorcycle salesman told me this story about the good ol' days
>and of course, DMV stuff. But I always used to add one more line item,
>which I labeled 'B & C.' I only charged $20 bucks for it, and I only
>had one customer ask me what it was for. I told him it stood for 'Beer
>and Chips' for the office Christmass party. He laughed so hard, he
>paid for it anyway."

When I worked at a drive-thru dairy/convenience store, we would occasionally
add N.C. to the customers' bill. We had an old pushbutton register, so it was
easy. N.C. stands for Nuisance Charge, and usually went to the old crabs
in their Mercedes & Cadillacs who thought nothing of making us wait with
3-4 bags of groceries in our arms as they thought about adding an extra
pint of HaagenDazs to their order. How does this relate to mc? Well, we
had almost no bikes come in, but this one pompous ass on his BMW would come
in about once a week and make a HUGE production of getting off his bike,
*always* making a face at the oil on the ground as if he exopected us to lay
out the red carpet of oil-dry for him, unzipping his 3-4 layers of German
leathers, and generally taking his time as to absorb as much ego filling
ogling as he thought he could get from us and the long line of cars forming 
behind him. Getting back on the bike was and even bigger production, but
you can imagine it fro yourselves and not be far off. He was so busy making
sure the world noticed him that he never noticed the 10%-25% NC we tacked
on his bill. It was because of him that we had pizza once/week instead of
once/month. :-) 

Jim
-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "Nothing is as overrated as a bad fuck or    *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  as underrated as a good shit."              * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |             -Laswxzqplo Nemeth, DoD #666     *  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: FJ Newsletter Info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:05:00 GMT

 While I was at the Rider Rally in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, a coupla'
weeks ago, I met a person putting info flyers on the FJ's that were
parked around the Strasbourg Inn. I can't remember her name (sorry!!),
but she was definitely interested in my offer to post her info to the net.

Here is the info that is on the leaflet:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                NEW!!! 

                           Fastlane Jammin'

                                 the    
                        FJ1100/1200 Newsletter

                            send SASE to:
                             PO Box 535
                         Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

 I haven't sent my SASE in yet, so I can't tell ya' what she will send out.
Maybe I'll get around to it when I get back from the Right Coast Ride,
finish my senior thesis, do that paper I promised my advisor two months
ago....... 8-) 8-).

Later

Ian

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Ian Howie           "Life is too short to drink bad coffee........"
(302) 832-1527 (home) 
DoD #0621 
1990 FJ1200                                          howie@oscar.ccm.udel.edu
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