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From: 1260s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathleen Shaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Panosteitis (puppy limp)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: 1260s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathleen Shaffer)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I agree with Lizalee.  My GSD went through these limping episodes and
it drove me nuts.  I was starting to panic because I thought she was
starting to show signs of hip dysplasia (my first vet said that he thought
she might have it, but he didn't see anything on his x-rays).  Taylor
was only 6 months old at the time and I had already gotten very attached
to her.  It bothered me that my vet couldn't help (or even recommend
someone else!), or even have a clue as to what could be wrong with her.
So I immediately changed vets and the new vet told me what he thought it
it was and recommended me to another (and more expensive, but worth
it) vet.  They confirmed the 2nd vet's diagnosis of pano.  They assured
me that the pano would probably disappear at about 2 years of age, but
meanwhile to keep her quiet and calm, no jumping, running, etc., and
to give her ascriptin in the morning and evening.  Her limping episodes
generally lasted from 5 to 10 days (the longest episode lasted 3 weeks,
and that was before her correct diagnosis).  Taylor just turned 3 in
September and did grow out of it around 2 years of age. It was a long
2 years for us, but knowing what was wrong with Taylor made me (and
her) more comfortable in dealing with it.

Kathy
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: It's me again!
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:04:33 GMT

Hey all,
	It'sjkf;ljfksdal;/ja;fdjsamn;fvc/dsnjmzk;/cmj
Sorry, my paws got stuck and I forgot to put the dog/human translator in
the background first.  Anyway, it's Beamer the wonder dog again.  I 
personally want to thank Siegfried for getting all us dogs in this 
group.  It is called rec.pets.DOGS isn't it?  Well we still don't have
any more snow and for Min (and the birds) snow is this way cool white
stuff that is so cold but is like real soft ice cubes.  (BTW, to the 
guy who hasn't figured out the cold block disappearing act:  I haven't
fixured it out either that is why I just eat them up as soon as I get them)
I heard some San Francisco dogs may get to see some snow first hand soon.
Great!  I know you'll love it.  I should read this thing more often but
muddy prints on the keyboard make Dad a bit testy.  I don't know what his
problem is.  He gets this way around christmas and Mom keeps bringing home
all these sacks with nothing fun in them from some place called the Mall.
Humans: go figure :-)  
	Anyway, Dad says I am going on a little trip and won't be back
for a while.  I hope he is coming along.  I get tired of all these long
car trips to Kansas.  Oops!  Here he comes...gotta go...see you...

Hey BEAMER off!
	Okay folks, Beamer has had his say but I told him to stay away from
the computer.  He is correct about our leaving for a while.  I will be 
computer-less from Dec. 19th to Jan 3.  I may go into convulsions about 
Christmas time.  For those awaiting any rescue information I have opted
to wait until the first week of Jan to post.  I have some new stuff I have
not yet been able to organize.  Have a great Holiday, safe trips to all
travelers Happy Christmas, New Year, Hanakuh or any other holiday you happen
to be celebrating this time of year and don't forget to remember the hungry
and homeless (all year long).  

Mike

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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:26:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec10.205521.9393@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> sal@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Sal Magnone) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I would like to know your opinion on pets sleeping in the same room as their 
>owners.  I have read different views on this subject and would like to learn of
>some first hand experience on this subject.
>
>Please include do's and dont's on the subject.
>
>
	Well, I think dogs really do like to sleep in your room.  I
generally start all puppies off either in my room or at least in the hall
with the bedroom door open.  For me, I show my dogs so dogs that are
actively being shown sleep outside to help them keep pretty coats.  I keep
my sweet older girl (well, she's only 5, but she likes to pretend that
she's the grand dame! :) in my room at night on a pillow at the end of the
bed.  All my other dogs sleep crated at night.  

Currently, I have two outside (Kash and Rosie) in crates.  One in my room
on a pillow (Hopper).  And a visiting puppy in the hall in a crate
(Steamer).

Your mileage may vary.  I do believe it is beneficial to the pups to sleep
near you and I wouldn't put one dog outside alone to sleep because they are
pack animals and do love company.

-=lizalee


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Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Opal's Inferiority Complex
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:13:17 GMT

In article <BzEu6u.A8A@acsu.buffalo.edu> kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes:
>Hey All...I finally wrestled the keyboard back from Opal to ask a question.
>Before I do, though, I just want you all to know that this is not a serious
>problem, and I'm not all that worried about it, I just wanted to see what you
>all thought about it.  So, get out your K-9 Psychology books!  8-)
>
>Opal is a 7 year old Sheltie who is probably the most loved dog on the planet.
>Yes, I know, you think your dog is more loved, but s/he isn't!  :)  Anyhow, my
>9 month old daughter Jessica has gotten to that wonderful age of mischief.
>The problem is this--whenever I scold Jessica for doing something she knows
>she shouldn't, Opal slinks away like I'm yelling at her.  So as I'm saying,
>"J, no!", I have to say "Good dog, Opal!"  It's kinda hard sometimes!  :)
>
>Any suggestions?  As I said, this is not one of those life threatening
>problems, so please, no suggestions to put her to sleep or aaything.  :)  (OK,
>low blow....I admit it.)  
>
>thanks....
>
>Kelly, and Opal too!

Hey Kelly and Opal,
	Low blow true but I like it :-)
	Anyway, Beamer has the same problem but it is I being yelled at by
my wife that causes the problem (no problem with my marriage just my SO
has a loud manner about her :-))  He will slink and go under the table
where he usually goes when he knows he is in trouble.  Michele will notice
it and immediately call him and pet him for a while in a soft and mild tone.
I don't know if this confuses him even more but he seems to appreciate the
attention and he will stop slinking around.  I know it is hard to do both
and I don't know the answer really but using names consistently seems to 
help some.  If you yell Opal no and Opal you @#$%%^ dog then Opal should
get it that Opal is in trouble.  If you use J this and J that hopefully
Opal will get it that the other little member of the pack is the one in
trouble.   Good luck and tell Opal Beamer is loved much more than she :-)

Mike
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Flexi Tie-Out:  Does it work?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:13:44 GMT


I use the coiled airline cable tether--and any tie-out should be attached
to a *harness*, NOT to the dog's collar!  I'm very happy with the tether,
it does not tangle, but you have to be careful about where you attach it
as it does have a weak spot at the snap (there is a piece that will snap
off if the end is not freely mobile).  And there are any number of gizmos
that you can put in the ground to which you can attach the tether (I use
an overhead cable).  If your dog isn't very heavy, you shouldn't have
a lot of problem with the in-ground gizmo.

That said, since the yard is not fenced, I don't think I'd leave the dog
unattended, even if tethered.  I know I wouldn't leave *my* dog unattended.
Too many things can go wrong (other dogs, kids, etc.).
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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed (was mutts & purebreds)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:45:21 GMT

In article <168C18D3B.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>
>In an ideal world, conformation is as equally important to a breed
>as obediance (and hunting ability if applicable).  But we don't live
>in the ideal world, we live in the real world.  And in the real world,
>the show ring has flat ruined many working breeds.  Goldens are a
>good example, but irish setters are even better.  With the setters,
>many, MANY people don't even consider the hunting lines and the show
>lines to be the same breed anymore.

	Chris, would you please explain why you think Golden Retrievers have
been ruined?

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NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and bedding
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:22:22 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <18370@borg.cs.unc.edu> whitaker@verdi.cs.unc.edu (Ross Whitaker) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>Several threads in this group have been talking about sleeping
>arrangements for dogs, and most people say "and of course a blanket".
>I would like to put a blanket or carpet in our dog's cage, but
>he shreads anything I put in their with him.  I make sure that
>he has plenty of toys, but he inevitable turns to the blanket, 
>even at night.
>
>This dog is a 9-month old Choc. Lab.
>
>Currently he sleeps on the bare metal tray that sits in the bottom of the
>cage (don't worry, he's plenty warm).  Any suggestions?  Should
>I put something in their and replace it as he shreds it?  Won't
>this encourage shredding?  We tried a piece of carpet (bad idea!) and
>it only encouraged him to shred carpets elsewhere in the house.
>I tried spraying a blanket with bitter apple and putting it in their,
>and he freaked out when we told him to go to his cage.  I forced
>him in, and he eventually turned to shredding the treated bedding
>(although selectively and with less vigor).
>
>Although the shredding is a pain in the $%&@#, I have to say, it
>is fascinating to watch - he's very good at it.
>

I have several labs right now in various stages of development.  Puppies
get a blanket until they show signs of shredding them. 
Then, they don't get anything until they are older.  The adults get
blankets but ONLY because they won't shred or destroy them.  

If your puppy is warm enough, I see no reason why he/she should need a
blanket, other than for something warm and cozy to cuddle up with.  But, if
they see it as a toy and not a cuddly, then don't give them one.  If they
aren't warm enough, then that's a different problem altogether.

Good luck!

-=lizalee

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Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
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From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: Apartment dogs
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:30:13 GMT

Just got my first apt. dog (GSDX) almost two weeks ago.  Gretta is about
three months old (rescue dog).

I've had two farm dogs - one from age ~3 through high school.  Both were
wonderful.

Having a dog inside is quite a switch.  Gretta is with me constantly,
although she stays in the car when we eat, go to movies, and sometimes
when I'm working (and don't have time for frequent five floor jaunts
outside).

I'm feeling a bit uneasy right now - Gretta is gated in the kitchen
(linoleum) since she just ate and went for a walk without "eliminating".
It's not often that she isn't at my side.

For the past 8? months my wife and I have been looking for a house.  My
reason:  so that we could have a dog.  I am now sure that this is not
necessary.  Gretta gets lots of attention in our little apartment.  (We
are still looking for a house, though.)  

--kyler
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From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Help! Boredom sores caused by licking
Keywords: licking, boredom sores
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:55:32 GMT

In article <2B30D64E.489@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In <1992Dec17.180440.14479@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN) writes:
>
>
>
>>Help!!!  My dog is licking his leg into a bloody mess!
>>Late this summer my samoyed starting boredom licking his leg.
>
I am looking at a copy of Current Vet Therapy XI.  There is an excellent 
article on Psychogenic Dermatoses on pages 552-558.  I will paraphrase a few 
things of interest.
 
Three classes of psychogenic dermatoses:
1.  Responsive to behavioral therapy
2.  Responsive to behavioral plus drug therapy
3.  Nonresponsive to behavioral with questionable response to drugs
 
The third class may represent the canine "obsessive-compulsive" disorder.
 
Boredom as a cause has been over-rated.  If more toys, distractions, sharing 
space with new companions, etc. don't help, the dog is not bored.
 
Attention-seeking behavior is common - it is important to remember that for 
animals who get little attention from their owners, negative attention is 
better than none.  (BTW, this is awfully important in human-human interactions, 
too.)
 
Self mutilation is *infrequent* in dogs experiencing separation anxiety.  In 
the process of damaging the area in which such animals are confined, they may 
also damage themselves, creating a focus of irritation which then can 
*secondarily* lead to lick granulomas.
 
Drugs used include several types of tricyclic antidepressants, but are not 
limited to these.  Antihistamines and narcotics are also sometimes used.
 
There is excellent advice available from readers of rec.pets.dogs.  Certainly 
all behavioral approaches should be given a chance to work.  Standard medical 
workups are also absolutely necessary to rule out endocrine, allergic, 
parasitic, fungal, and bacteriologic etiologies.  However, it is a well 
described fact that some dogs just won't respond to all of these approaches, 
and drug therapy may need to be tried to prevent horrendous problems.
 
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet   AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
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From: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey)
Subject: Dogs walking Dogs ?!?!?
Reply-To: scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:57:41 GMT


I need some creative help breaking a habit that my
Rottweiler has developed.  

I recently adopted Job, my Lab, from the Humane 
Society, and they require that the dog wears a 
collar with identification and rabies vaccination 
tags.  Moses (the Rottie) had never seen a collar 
before, but I thought it was probably time to give 
him one too.  (I had always been worried that it 
would catch on something and hang him as a pup...)

I looked out my kitchen window the other day to
find that Moses had taken it upon himself to take
Job for a walk.  Poor Job had the most defeated look 
on his face.  Moses had Job's collar in his mouth and
was prancing around the yard, pulling Job behind him.
I walked out back to put an end to it, and Job just
looked at me with those big, brown, sad eyes as if
to say "Dad, you need to have a talk with Moses..."

No one has been hurt -- at least not yet.  I named
the Lab Job because of his patience, but I think that
even the Job of the Bible would have raised a ruckus
about this.  Legally, I *can't* remove the collar (per
the adoption contract), so I have to find some way to
make it an undesirable weapon in the unending power-play
for the back yard.  All advice is very much appreciated.

			Sincerely,
			G. Scott Downey
			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)
			Job's Daddy Too (Lab)
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tpoys for blind dog
Keywords: blind, dog, toy
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:25:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24405
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



One way to teach a dog to track when he prefers looking to sniffing, is
to put a doubled sock over his eyes (with the toe cut off) and force
him to sniff out the path to the glove

it occurs to me that that's an interesting game for a blind dog,
ie. have him hold a glove, take it from him, put it a couple inches
away, and send him for it.  increase the distance slowly, lots
of praise for finding it (and bringing it back if you want)

so long as it's an open field so he won't run in to anything, there's
no limit to how far you can send him, or work in harness like a regular
tracker.

the dog will be using the crush scent of the grass to find the
sock, so keep reusing the same path if you repeat it, so there's
only one path out there.
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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Follow-up to puppy training
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:00:01 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-2444]: venus


Hi, Charlie.  In a previous post I thought you were C. *Soresby*.  Sorry!

>I usually do 2 lessons a day, about 5 or 10 minutes in the
>morning, and then 15 or 20 minutes in the evening. If he 
>seems to be getting bored we play fetch in the middle of the
>lesson and work some commands into it to keep his interest.

Thats too much.  Try 30 sec. to 3 minutes more often.
The fetch is good though (esp. for a retriever).

>I'm following the training guidelines of Wolters, he wrote
>a number of books back in the mid 60's! I've also read 
>a number of newer books but my pup (and my previous dog)
>both seem to do better with this method. 

The traditional (read outdated) methods are faster, but not in
the long run.  The dog will think of training as a bore if you 
continue.

>Now that I've told you how good my pup is, I'll add to it
>a little problem I'm having. The first is lay down. He doesn't
>seem to be getting this very well (yes, I know he's young). I've

Don't push it.  There'll be lots of time to work on problem things.
Do things that the dog will succeed at now, to build confidence
and not teach the dog resistance.  Down is tricky because of the
dominance implications.

>Also, as he gets a little older he is starting to get more
>independent and doesn't always come running when called, he'd
>rather stay outside and do all those important things puppies
>do! He will always come but sometimes I have to tell him a 
>few times (and sometimes in the house he just wanders over to
>me sort of slowly). 

He should run over because training is the highpoint of his day.
It could be that he is ambivalent about training and would rather 
sniff around etc.

>I realize my problems are trival, especially for such a young
>dog, but any suggestions would be helpful (and please don't
>flame me to much for my methods, they seem to work and have 
>worked well for a number of my fathers dogs as well). 

They are not trivial.  They are better for an older dog that is learning
skills rather than behaviours.  Associate training with fetch and stop
when the dog is still at his peak.  In time you will condition the dog
to become aroused by training, much like Pavlov's dogs salivated at the
sound of a bell because they associated the bell with food.  Your dog
will become excited (like when he sees a ball) when you begin
training.  The attitude will serve you well over the next few years.

Damon

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From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Opal's Inferiority Complex
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:53 EST  

In article <BzEu6u.A8A@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes...
>The problem is this--whenever I scold Jessica for doing something she knows
>she shouldn't, Opal slinks away like I'm yelling at her.  So as I'm saying,
>"J, no!", I have to say "Good dog, Opal!"  It's kinda hard sometimes!  :)
> 
>Any suggestions?  

I'd also be very interested in suggestions as Buddy has the same reaction 
when I yell at the cat.  He doesn't seem to understand that kitty is not 
his name and he's not the bad one!

Carol
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow dogs
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:06:31 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Hey Beamer!  Guys!  When I saw how brave the rest of y'all were about 
posting, I decided I would brave it too!!  But I HAVE to ask.....
WHAT is Snow???  I noticed most of you were from "yankee" country...
is that something we don;t get down here in Mississippi?? 

Mommy is resting here at my feet, asleep.  She had a long day yesterday.
We went up to her alma mater to pick up Aunt Hester from college.
It was kind of late when we got back last night......

Well, I hope I get a chance to talk to y'all again, this was fun!!
Now i know why she loves reading and sending msgs on her computer!

Merry Christmas and will you PLEASE send me some snow???  We have
LOTS of rain here....do y'all get rain where you live?

Cinnamon (Min)