HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aras@multix.no (Arne Asplem)
Subject: Bug in getdtab.c (INN 1.2) ?
Organization: Multix A.S
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:36:30 GMT

getdtab.c
----
#if	defined(FDCOUNT_CONSTANT)
int
getfdcount()
{
#if	defined(NOFILE)
    size = NOFILE;
#else
    size = 20;
#endif	/* defined(NOFILE) */

    return size;
}
#endif	/* defined(FDCOUNT_CONSTANT) */
----

The definition of size is missing in the above function !

  -- Arne



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From: alden@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: nntplink vs. multiple nntpxmit's
Date: 9 Oct 1992 09:41:13 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: shape.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct7.194002.4365@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> bsakach@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian Sakach) writes:
>At what point should I consider using the nntplink package instead of 
>sticking with nntpxmit's.  Right now I feed 61 sites with only 5 sites 
>using NNTP.

Well, IMHO, I think that nntplink is always better than nntpxmit.  :-)
Here's a small part of the README:

NNTPlink is a news transmission client designed to replace nntpxmit.  It is
capable of emulating nntpxmit exactly, closely or not at all (this is the
best mode, IMHO of course.  :-)   Instead of invoking nntpxmit every <n>
minutes you can can start up nntplink once and it will run until killed.  It
keeps the connection to the remote NNTP server open, only closing it after
a specified amount of idle time or after a specified number of articles have
been offered to the remote server.

I expect to put out version 3.1 within the next 2 weeks - I would suggest
you wait until then instead of installing 3.0.2.

...dave
From: toivo@ucs.uwa.OZ.AU (Toivo Pedaste)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: INN suggestion
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:05:25 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.ucs.uwa.edu.au

One new feature for INN I would find very usefull would be
a mode where it would accept local postings but not news
transfered from other sites.

I am thinking particularly of a situation where disk space on
the news partition drops too low, in this case you want to
stop receiving the main news flow but it is an annoyance
for it to refuse accept local mail. I feed a number of mailing
lists into local news groups and if the disk space drops low 
over night there are all these inews failures in the morning.

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From: aegl@ossi.com (Tony Luck)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN Path header woes (new problem?)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 11:33:28 -0700
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com

rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) writes:
>Right.  I bet that you did not restart your innd server.  If you did,
>then it would have picked up the new pathhost value and you would see
>	cae.cad.gatech.edu!cae.cad.gatech.edu!not-for-mail

I'm not sure whether this is related to the "Path:" problems ... I took
a peek at the "server" log file that innd generates. the manual page innd(8)
says that:

	"The fifth field is the site that sent the article (based on
	the Path header)"

But all locally posted articles end up with the fifth field set to the user
name of the poster (or more usually "not-for-mail" if the article went through
the INN version of inews).

I have "pathhost: news.ossi.com" in inn.conf because I don't want the actual
name of the machine thats running news to be stamped in the Path header (mostly
because its going to change real-soon-now, and I don't want to go through the
aggravation of getting my neighbours to update their "sys" files (or equvalent)
ever again.

Is this right?  If so, why ... it makes writing scripts to do traffic flow
analysis harder, because I have to make the script understand who our news
neighbours are.

-Tony Luck <aegl@ossi.com>
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: inn1.2 installation.  HELP!!
Date: 8 Oct 1992 12:33:46 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Keywords: help, help, more help with inn installation....

In <venki.718515844@charlie> venki@ece.scarolina.edu (Venki M. S. Iyer) writes:
>When I start innd (sh rc.news), innd complains 
>about newsgroups in active and quits -- the exact message is:
>	Message from syslogd@sol at Wed Oct  7 22:48:57 1992 ...
>	sol innd: ME bad_active alt.comp.acad-freedo...
>and that's the first group in active -- removing it resulted in innd
>complaining about another line.  
There is something wrong with your active file.  It must look exactly
like this:
	newsgroup_name SPACE high SPACE low SPACE flags
Where SPACE is a single space character
	comp.bar	32 32 y
is WRONG -- no tab.  A space.

Please read doc/active.5 and compare your file against it.  Patch3 will add
to the inncheck perl script so that it can check your active file.
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: rrn problem (GROUP command)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:13:06 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

sob@TMC.EDU (Stan Barber) writes:
>My guess is that the group name is null somehow. Look in your active file
>to see if there is a null name of some kind.
>
>This has been reported to me a bug and I am looking into it more fully, but
>this is my initial information.

	With some help from ib89mose@htl-bw.ch (Steve) and William C
Fenner <fenner@cs.psu.edu>, I figured out what the problem was.  First
off, somebody sent out a newgroup control message with a null group,
<1992Oct6.180812.28639@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>, if you
want to look it up.  That generated a bogus line in my active file.
The really odd part was that even after removing that line from
active, I still had the same problem.  Some more head scratching and I
discovered an active.times file, with a single line in it, referring
to that new group.  Deleting active.times solved the problem, or at
least made it go away.

	I gather that active.times is something which old newsreaders
don't know about, so that explains why the problem only bothered my
clients running relatively up to date versions of rrn.
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: pmj@roadnet.com (Peter M. Jansson)
Subject: NNTP post can't run df in spacefor
Organization: Roadnet Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 15:06:44 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.nntp
Keywords: NNTP SCO CNEWS

We are running CNews and using NNTP 1.5.11 as a transport mechanism on a
SCO ODT system.  When I try to post articles from a client workstation
using NNTP, my nntplog file shows the following lines:

>Oct  7 10:48:58 localhost nntpd[5343]: /usr/lib/news/inews: spacefor: df: cannot execute\
>Oct  7 10:48:59 localhost nntpd[5343]: /usr/lib/news/inews: /usr/lib/news/inews: too little space free on /usr/spool/news\
>Oct  7 10:48:59 localhost nntpd[5343]: /usr/lib/news/inews: /usr/lib/news/inews: article in /usr/cnews/dead.article\

When I post articles locally, I have no problems.  Can anyone suggest why
the NNTP-spawned spacefor can't execute df?  BTW, I've tried replacing "df"
with "/bin/df" and fared no better.  I also tried to explicitly include
"/bin" in the PATH statement of the spacefor script.  My inetd.conf
starts nntpd as user "news", although an attempt to start it as user
"root" didn't do any better.

Responses via email (preferred) or news will be appreciated.

Thanks,
    Pete.
From: dclunie@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Using nntpget - no port ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:17:40 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au


> I am having trouble getting nntpget to work ...

I have solved my socket problems ... I had inadvertently made the server
(innd) die somehow ...

Unfortunately, now even though nntpget doesn't give me any errors
and seems to do something, it doesn't add any messages either ! They
are presumably being discarded as unwanted. I have set the ME entry
in newsfeeds to accept anything from anywhere (ME:*::), and have
even put an entry in hosts.nntp for the site from which I am nntpget'ing,
to no avail. Nor can I find any messages in the logs saying that
messages are being discarded, nor is there anything in the history
file.

This time I am sure I am missing something obvious. I just don't know what
it is :)

david
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Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1344 news.software.nn:1368
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.nn
Subject: INN's inews vs. NN
Date: 16 Oct 1992 11:50:05 -0400
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

After installing INN, I can no longer post using :post or nnpost.

I can post using "inews -h <foo", "Pnews" (from trn), "postnews", and
"META-x postnews" in gnus.  However, when I post from "NN" I get a mail
message saying, "Can't redirect stdout, Permission denied."

Any suggestions?

Tom

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From: dclunie@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Using nntpget - no port ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:21:13 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au


I am having trouble getting nntpget to work ...

I set up inn on a small network at home and can happily read and post
between machines with one inn server called "news".

Now I am trying to use a slip feed to a bigger site to selectively
get a few newsgroups using nntpget.

However, if I do say ...

"nntpget -o -t "921013 000000" -n "comp.graphics" bigsite.wherever"

It says ...

"Can't connect to "news", No such file or directory"

Looking at the code, I gather this because NNTPlocalopen can't connect
to the server via the socket "_PATH_NNTPCONNECT" ... I looked in the
directory where I had this configured "/usr/local/news/innd" and there
was no socket "nntpin" there.

(The ctlinndXXXXXX socket was there).

Is there anything I need to do to make this work ? Am I missing something
very obvious ? I tried to search the documentation as thoroughly as
possible, fearing the wrath of rich, but couldn't find the necessary hint :)

david
-- 
David Clunie (dclunie@itd.adelaide.edu.au)
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Using nntpget - no port ?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:44:34 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

nntpget -o is broken and will be fixed in patch3 which should be out
within a week.  Sorry.
	/r$
Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1288 news.sysadmin:1304 news.admin:7912
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.sysadmin,news.admin
Subject: Re: Help with INN!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:08:33 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: inet

In news.sysadmin, article <1992Oct7.000209.3608@seas.gwu.edu>,
  dobrien@seas.gwu.edu (David O'Brien) writes:
> 
> our newsfeed is from PSI (sorry :-) and we must poll them for news, they
> don't poll us.  you seem to indicate that normally your feed will connect
> to you and say "ok, here's more news for ya."  or do you mean that our
> innd will automatically, periodically check with the feed for new news.
> 
You seem to be mixing up your protocols here. You presumably get your news
feed via UUCP, which means that your system will automatically feed incoming
news to something called rnews, which comes with INN (what a coincidence! ;-).
Assuming you put the INN rnews someplace where your UUCP can find it, you're
all set. 

On the other hand, if you are on the internet and get your news via
nntpxfer or similar, then I'd suggest you find somebody who gives you
a feed.

-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.sysadmin,news.admin
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Help with INN!
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1b00doINNgkq@frey.newcastle.edu.au>
	<1b49kpINNf0d@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:36 GMT

In article <1b49kpINNf0d@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> dclunie@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (David Clunie) writes:

   I have a limited news partition and only want to subscribe to those
   groups that my users have indicated an interest in. I don't want to
   have to keep getting my feeding site to amend their list of groups
   that they feed me ... I would like to control it from my end. I
   don't want ot just discard incoming stuff I don't need.

   It would be nice to have a full list of groups in the active file,
   and if any one subscribes to it it will turn out to be empty, but
   the interest will provoke the feed into sending stuff for that
   group for next time.

I'm not a newsadmin (yet...), but I do try to assimilate what I read.
Could someone comment on the `x' entry in the Cnews active file and
whether that combined with a very short purge/expiration on junk would
partially address these problems?  In my naivete' this looks reasonable.
I know you would still be receiving the junk articles, but it would
limit the disk requirement for unwanted articles.
--
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    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Innd timing out?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:17:29 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <MWM.92Oct13152832@bugtussle.mpk.ca.us> mwm@bugtussle.mpk.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>Running inn 1.2, I've got a couple of feeds who are seeing very slow
>response times (and ensuing timeouts) to their IHAVE packets.  ...
>So the question is: is there something in the INN configuration that
>could cause this if badly misset?
No.  In fact, innd tries to be very fair about the order in which it reads
from its incoming connections.  (Look at the loop in CHANreadloop in
innd/chan.c) Perhaps, tho, I got the loop wrong -- you might rummage
through syslog and see if the machines in question are regularly getting
connected at a high descriptor and I'm not servicing them right.

More likely, however, they are offering you the same article while someone
else is already sending it to you.  When that happens, innd will wait
until the other guy is finished (or times out) before replying to the
other IHAVE.  (This avoids duplicates.)  You might have them run their
"send articles to you" program in debug mode, and see if most of their
IHAVE's end up being delayed then rejected.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: nn bug report
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:22:57 GMT

A minor situation:  When nnmaster can't read a news directory (group)
because of a file protection violation, and then the protection is
disabled (nnmaster can then read the dir), existing posts (in those
newsgroups) cannot be read by users until a new article is posted.
This occurs even if nnmaster is halted and restarted.
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se


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Xref: sparky news.software.nn:1350 comp.lang.perl:6445
From: harrison@jho.com (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: Trouble marking all articles as read...
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:32:57 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler) writes:

>ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:
>>I just switched from rn to nn and I'm having some trouble marking
>>all articles as read.  I want to accomplish what 'c' in rn does
>>(catch up).
>>	  What I think I should do is:
>>		select all articles with =.
>>		Hit J (for the mark as read menu)
>>		Hit A (to select all articles tobe marked as read)

>matthew,

>  forget the rn thinking. ;-)  at the menu, simply hit 'X' to read
>  selected articles.  if you don't have selected articles, all
>  articles are automatically marked as read and you move on to the
>  next group.

And, if there are any messages that have been auto-selected,
pressing 'X' again from reading mode will skip over these.

>Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
>Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: Help making nn6.4 on HP9000/835
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:34:19 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Keywords: nn6.4, help, hp9000/835

kenneth@hp825.bih.no (Kenneth Fosse) writes:

>Hi, Netland!

>I'm trying to make nn6.4 on a HP9000/835, but the compiler
>bombs out on me... I've applied patches 1-16 (source from
>dkuug.dk:/pub/nn6.4)
>I've copied config.h-dist to config.h, edited it to include
>m-hp9000.h and s-hpux7-0.h. I run hpux 8.0, though....

>I use HP's own cc (yes I should go get gcc :-) )
>CFLAGS is -g  (-O -s gives same result)

>make client (or simply make, for that matter) gives me:


You need to apply the following patch.
It allows nn to compile on a number of machines it doesn't without it,
including recent versions of HP-UX

diff -cb ../nn2/term.c ./term.c
*** ../nn2/term.c	Sun May 24 16:32:47 1992
--- ./term.c	Mon May 11 20:41:31 1992
***************
*** 56,61 ****
--- 56,64 ----
  #ifdef USE_TERMINFO
  
  #include <curses.h>
+ # ifndef VINTR
+ #  include <termio.h>	/* some systems (hpux) don't include this in curses.h */
+ # endif /* VINTR */
  #ifndef auto_left_margin
  #include <term.h>
  #endif	/* !auto_left_margin */

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Xref: sparky news.software.nn:1367 news.software.nntp:1342 comp.unix.solaris:255 comp.windows.x:17944 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:4787
From: robert@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Roberto Togneri)
Subject: Bug in mailing article to somebody (or is it me?)
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:42:55 GMT


Hi,

I'm running nn 6.4.18 (latest version I believe) and attempted to mail
an article from the selection menu to a local user. If I edit the message
(using vi) and the save and exit the mail is not sent. If I choose not to
edit the message then I am prompted with whether I want to append the signature
and the mail is sent. I tried this with other (earlier) installations of nn
on Sun and Ultrix, same result. 

Is this a bug? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,
--
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NEDLANDS WA 6009 Australia                 Email: robert@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au
From: hay@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Angus Hay)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Archiving news
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:53:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.hay.718991624
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

Space limitations have forced our news admin to reduce expiry to 
2 days in some cases. As a user (not the supervisor) of nn, what is 
the quickest and easiest way for me to archive a newsgroup?

All I want is to be able to grab the articles regularly, and keep them
until I next login to read them. The news database and nn are both on
the same Sparcstation.

Please mail me any solutions. Any post you make will probably expire
before I get to see it.

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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: peter@DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Subject: Zeus has been struck by lightning..
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:45:38 GMT

Well, it's not quite that bad.. :-)

For those of you who have sent mail to me or the list server, please
be patient...  It won't be that much longer...

Also, I am arranging a new home for the list, as I'm getting
complaints from my feed site. The machine is directly on the
internet (Well.. AARnet for the Australian readers.. :-).

Stay tuned!

-Peter
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: sherman@unx.sas.com (Chris Sherman)
Subject: Re: Trouble marking all articles as read...
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:41:55 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In <39400@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:

>I just switched from rn to nn and I'm having some trouble marking
>all articles as read.  I want to accomplish what 'c' in rn does
>(catch up).
>	  What I think I should do is:
>		select all articles with =.
>		Hit J (for the mark as read menu)
>		Hit A (to select all articles tobe marked as read)

>I can't get it to work, though.  What can I do besides 'nn -a0' or
>editing the .newsrc file?  Thank you in advance...

I solved this problem by using the following macros...  On the HP keyboard,
there is a key marked 'select' right below the return key.  No matter where
I am (either in the menu, or reading articles), I can hit this button, and
all the articles in the current group are marked read, and I'm moved to the
next group.  This has been too useful.  The key code for the 'select' key is
^[ [ 4 ~, so change this to match some unused key on your keyboard:

map #0 ^[ [ 4 ~
define 1
  'J' 'A' yes 'N'
end
map menu #0 macro 1

define 2
  '=' 'J' 'A' yes 'N'
end
map show #0 macro 2


Hope this helps.  
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: david@infopro.com (Dragon [David Fiedler])
Subject: NN Tutorial Wanted
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:59:54 GMT

Hi,

Is there an easy-to-read nn tutorial available anywhere by UUCP or ftp,
perhaps that someone else has written for *their* non-technical users that
they would be willing to share? All I have are the man pages. Thanks in
advance.
-- 
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