HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Progress report
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:22:53 GMT

In article <BvxD4L.BHz@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>I wrote a while ago and mentioned that I had gained 5 pounds on a 26 mile
>hike.  

To do so you would have had to overeat by close to 20,000 calories (5*3500
plus 26*100, approximately).  I'll bet it was water weight from the activity.

>Well, that 5 pounds (plus about 8 pounds earlier) was enough to get 
>me back to my own program of changing my eating habits permentently (barring 
>occassional variations due to just being a human being).

Whatever the reason, this sounds like a good plan.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:20:07 GMT
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: WW
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:56:02 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: yosemite.hal.com
In-reply-to: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu's message of 5 Oct 92 18:43:20 GMT

Weighing in at WW and going to the meetings helped me out for a while, but
once I got motivated and was determied to lose the weight it didn't matter.
I got to the point where I knew I was going to lose the weight wheter or not
I shelled out $9 a week to WW, so I punted it.  I took the rest of the
weight off and have had no problems keeping it off.

--
Dave Brennan                                      HaL Computer Systems
brennan@hal.com                                         (512) 794-2855

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From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Motivation
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:23:37 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc


It's been a little quiet here lately so I thought I would share my excitement
this morning with all of you.  In July I went back to WW with over 40 lbs. to
lose. I lost 12, had a financial setback, quit weighing in and lost my
motivation.  Unfortunately went back to some bad habits & after awhile 
discovered I had gained back 5 of those 12 lbs.  This made me feel even worse
and trying to get re-motivated was turning out to be a real struggle.  I
finally decided to just not push myself.  I tried to stay on program but when
it wasn't convenient I tried to make the best choices I could.  This wasn't
always the case, but the difference this time was that I didn't beat myself
up for the bad choices I did make.  Anyway, after putting more effort the
last couple weeks into making good choices I got the nerve to get on the scale
this morning, and much to my surprise I had lost 4 1/2 of the 5 lbs. I'd 
gained.  My daughter and I have started walking (which for me is a big deal
cause I could never take the time to exercise, always wanting to do other 
things instead).  I am now again feeling motivated and will hopefully go back
to WW soon.  I know that I shouldn't put so much into the numbers on the scale
but I do feel good knowing that making good choices more often does make a
difference.

I FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF!!

					Peggy

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          | Tektronix, Inc., Network Displays Division	      |
          | PO Box 1000, MS 60-430, Wilsonville, OR 97070     |
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From: uugetty@unisup1.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Nutritional value of popcorn.
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:00:38 GMT
Organization: Lasernet (pty) Ltd.


The Subject says it all.  What is the nutritional value of popcorn
that is popped in a hot-air popper with no salt or butter or anything
added?  

Is popcorn a healthy snack and is it appropriate for dieting?   I have heard
that the energy it takes to digest popcorn totally negates its caloric
value.  Is this true?

If not, what can one snack on that is very low in calories/fat?

Thanks

Aris

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From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Subject: Re: WW with Steve
Organization: Coordinating Centers For Biometric Research, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.071727.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>--Sorry to add this to the net but my email bounced!  Steve, I'm really
>interested in your proposal for email WW.  Can you give more info about
>what/how you plan to do it?
>
>You can send to my email address noted below.
> 
>Deb
>dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
>

Please add me to the e-mail info list as well . . .

Jill


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.133514.27633@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
>
>Well, with the weather turning colder, I've been thinking
>about the up coming holidays.  Well, what I'm really thinking
>about is Christmas cookies.  I'm a real cookie monster and
>now I'm wondering if I'll be able to eat any holiday goodies
>without going nuts!  
>
>I probably won't have to worry about it too much since I
>haven't had the desire to do any holiday baking and
>my aunt, who used to bake alot, has been losing weight 
>following the diabetes exchange program (alot like WW)
>says she's not going to do any baking this year.  But
>how do I deal with this in the future?  Is it possible to
>eat just one or two?  Should I go bad on the whole batch
>but get back on the diet the next day??  Or should I just
>never bake again?  I really have this awful feeling that
>I can't eat just one cookie!  How have others dealt with this?
>
>Margot
>--
>"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
>  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
>                                         - David Crosby

   Before I answer this, let me introduce myself.  I think I only posted one
or two other messages besides this one to this group.  In January of 1991,
I began dieting using a program of shakes and weight lifting.  By July of
1991, I had lost 40 pounds and was at my goal of 170 pounds.  Since then
I put on about 10 pounds which brought me up to 180, and recently I started
dieting, cycling, and working out again and have droppe~rd about 5 pounds so
far.  The way I've always dieted is to allow myself one day a week to eat a
'bad' meal.  This one meal has never put any weight on me, and has made it 
a lot easier to diet.  For big holidays such as christmas and thanksgiving
and the such, I just make that my 'off' day for the week, and eat what I want.
It's always worked for me, but I don't know if it'll work for you.  Good luck.
 
-Matthew
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: The T-Factor Diet
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:20:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu



	Dr. Martin Katahn says that hardly any excess carbs wind up as
body fat.  Do you know of any studies which refute his claims?  How
about anecdotal evidence?

	BTW, an e-mail response would be appreciated.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

   "Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"    |    My boss is a 
   "Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all."  |  Jewish carpenter.
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Holiday Sabotage
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:09:25 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The "holiday" subject reminds me of the holidays 1 1/2 years ago
when I was on Nutri/System.  There was one fellow I worked with
that was ALWAYS trying to sabatoge my diet.  He'd bring in some
gooey mass that his wife had baked (very tasty looking) and then
order me to eat some.  I'd say, "no thanks, it looks absolutely
wonderful, but I'm trying really hard to loose some weight."  He'd
badger me!  He would then tell me that he and his wife  will both
feel bad if I don't try it.  

It back fired for him though, the more he'd badger me, the more 
stubborn I'd get.  It became a game between us.  He tried every tactic 
in the book, "you're thin enough", "you'll hurt my feelings", and so 
on.  But I'd counter with, "I'm sure you understand how important my 
goal is to me", "I can see your wife is a fabulous cook, you lucky man!"

I bet I'm not the only one who has had to deal with saboteurs like this.
But in some ways it just strengthened my resolve.


--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.163309.279@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.134236.12436@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
|> >P.S.  My mother's recipe for fudge contains no fat (it uses a full can 
|> >of evaporated milk, and I'd have to experiment to see if the evaporated
|> >skim milk worked just as well), and the nuts are optional.  
|> 
|> Um, I hate to say this, but evaporated milk is loaded with milk fat,
|> PLUS chocolate has cocoa butter.  I suppose you might be able to do something
|> with evaporated skim milk and cocoa powder, but I'm no candy maker.

Um, I think that's what I MEANT to be saying.  The recipe calls for cocoa
not baking chocolate, i.e., no fat for the chocolate, and I did qualify 
that it called for evaporated milk (which we all know is made from whole
milk, right?).  As I said, evaporated SKIM milk could probably be used, I
just haven't tried it, but that would indeed render this fudge fat-free.

Did I mislead everyone else or just Steve?

Jan

P.S.  Even though someone requested it, I wasn't going to post the recipe
because it just seemed inappropriate for this group (even if made fat-free,
it's still loaded with sugar and hardly a "diet" item), but just to show 
what's in it and let y'all decide for yourselves, here it is.

                               Fudge

    2/3 c cocoa
    3 c sugar
    1/4 c dark Karo (corn) syrup
    1/3 c water
    1 12 oz can evap milk  (might as well try evaporated SKIM milk)

    1 1/2 tsp vanilla, pinch of salt

Mix the cocoa and sugar well, then add corn syrup, water and evaporated milk.
Cook to soft ball stage (I use a candy thermometer, but since they're so
often wrong, I also use the blob-in-the-cold-water test).  Remove from
heat.  Add vanilla and salt, blend lightly.  Allow to cool to 110 degrees
or when hand can rest comfortably on the side of the pan.  Beat the fudge
until it stiffens a little, then spread into a 7x11 pan and allow to cool.

This makes 2 lbs of fudge, and 36 pieces (if you used a 7x11 pan).

Jan

P.S.  Nuts can be added, but they're FAT.
From: mwaugh@utkvx2.utk.edu (marcie)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: holidays
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct6.133514.27633@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes...
> 
>Well, with the weather turning colder, I've been thinking
>about the up coming holidays.  Well, what I'm really thinking
>about is Christmas cookies.  I'm a real cookie monster and
>now I'm wondering if I'll be able to eat any holiday goodies
>without going nuts!  
> 
>I probably won't have to worry about it too much since I
>haven't had the desire to do any holiday baking and
>my aunt, who used to bake alot, has been losing weight 
>following the diabetes exchange program (alot like WW)
>says she's not going to do any baking this year.  But
>how do I deal with this in the future?  Is it possible to
>eat just one or two?  Should I go bad on the whole batch
>but get back on the diet the next day??  Or should I just
>never bake again?  I really have this awful feeling that
>I can't eat just one cookie!  How have others dealt with this?
> 
>Margot
>--
For me the trick is to plan ahead when dealing with "red light" foods
(foods I feel I can't control myself within 10 feet of). I start by planning
what I'm going to have and how much it's going to "cost" me. Then I save up
for it and plan when I'm going to have it. Then I prepare myself mentally by
imagining the Big Event...esp. the quantity and what it will look like. That
way I know how big it will be and not be disappointed. Then I enjoy the
hell out of it when I eat it and congratulate myself on being so succesful.
If I screw up I just say, well, next time I'll know what to expect and try
to do better. then...forget it and press on.   
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: WW with Steve
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:21:05 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Oct13.134508.13481@news2.cis.umn.edu> jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.071727.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>--Sorry to add this to the net but my email bounced!  Steve, I'm really
>>interested in your proposal for email WW.  Can you give more info about
>>what/how you plan to do it?
>>
>>You can send to my email address noted below.
>> 
>>Deb
>>dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
>>
>
>Please add me to the e-mail info list as well . . .
>
>Jill

Me too, Steve!

mprisco@cat.syr.edu (Margot)
>
>


--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: af080@yfn.ysu.edu (Gary Nicklas)
Subject: NordicTrack
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:42:12 GMT


Fellow newsgroupers:

I'm thinking of getting a NordicTrack cross country ski machine to augment my
walking program and to have an indoor alternative during the winter.

Do any of you have experience with these things?  Are they as good as the ads
would have you think?  Are they really that great at promoting weight loss?
Are they less than incredibly boring (to me indoor cycling is incredibly
boring).  :)

Also, there are several models ranging from $300 to $1300.  Are they
mechanically pretty much the same?  Will one last as long as the other?

Well, enough questions.  Thanks.

Gary
~
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
From: skeeter@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Nutritional value of popcorn.
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:41:49 GMT

From article <1992Oct12.180038.217@unisup1.uucp>, by uugetty@unisup1.uucp:
> 
> The Subject says it all.  What is the nutritional value of popcorn
> that is popped in a hot-air popper with no salt or butter or anything
> added?  
> 
> Is popcorn a healthy snack and is it appropriate for dieting?   I have heard
> that the energy it takes to digest popcorn totally negates its caloric
> value.  Is this true?
> 
> If not, what can one snack on that is very low in calories/fat?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Aris
> 
> -- 
> Aris Stathakis        Tel +27 11 887 4220 |Gimme a beer and money sandwitch -  
> SCO Unix Support      Fax +27 11 887 1141 |Hold the bread. - Waldo D.R. Dobbs
> UniNet - A Division of Lasernet (Pty) Ltd |_________________________________
> P.O. Box 78446, Sandton, 2146, R.S.A       Internet:   aris@unisup1.UUCP      

I'm so glad you asked!  I've been eating (hot-air popped) popcorn 
(with no salt or butter or anything else) for awhile now and have found
it to be a very handy diet aid (I lost 12 lbs in the last 4 weeks!)

Popcorn has almost no nutritional value except for fiber.  It has
more fiber than almost any other food (by weight, and popcorn
is very light, so...).  It's a good snack and like celery has
nearly no calories.  A big bowl of popcorn and a Diet A&W root
beer is one of my favorite snacks.  (And diet jello...
only 32 calories in a whole bowl!)  Without aspertame, it would
have been hard!  :)

I just want to add one more thing.  The most important thing for me was
to cut the FAT in my diet.  I reduced the AMOUNT of food I ate by
only 10 or 20 percent, but I now get less than 15% of my calories
from fat.  (Many authorities advise to keep it under 30%.)
Drink skim milk if you can, eat 0.2 or 0.1% M.F. yogurt and avoid
fried-foods and creamy dairy products (like sour cream).

(okay, two things...)  Pay attention to fat levels, but don't worry 
about sugar too much.  Drink diet drinks if you can stand them, but
don't be afraid of a moderately sized low-fat dessert occasionaly.  I
managed to hold at about 1200 calories a day, and I'll now be slowly
increasing that as I near my goal.  


DISCLAIMER:  I am not a doctor, I am a Systems Analyst.  Free advice is
	worth every penny!  :)

--
skeeter@skatter.usask.ca			no nifty .sig

The weight of one's wallet is inversly proportional to the size of
one's heart.   -- me 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Diet Analyst Software Info
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:51:41 GMT


Lots of people showed interest in the software I bought called "Diet Analyst".
I promise that I will find out all the info you asked and even try
to post some of the reports you can generate from it.  It's really fun
to play with and I find it's a great motivator for keeping on track.

Stay tuned to this bat-thread...

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Losing fat, not muscle
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:14:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Tamara Shaffer askes:

>        A NEW product which increases metabolism by 21% and burns body
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>        fat is now available through IDN.  Contact me for info.
		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		   
> Is this a joke?
		    
> TAMARA

No, I don't think so - but the poster's wording was a bit misleading.
He was referring to the ingredient chromium, and specifically in the
form chromium picolinate (which was developed and patented by FDA
scientists). Several recent studies have suggested that chromium
picolinate can help reduce body fat and increase muscle mass. At
Louisiana State University a group of 59 students in a beginners'
weight-training program were given either chromium picolinate or
a placebo - their program was otherwise identical. All in the
group lost significant amounts of body fat, but the women who were
taking chromium picolinate gained 80% more lean muscle than those
women taking the placebo; in addition both the men and the women
taking chromium picolinate showed significantly greater increases
in chest, arm and thigh sizes as compared to the placebo takers.

Chromium picolinate apparently works by enhancing the function of
insulin in metabolizing sugar, fat and protein. It also results
in lower cholesterol and blood sugar levels, so it may play an
important role in lowering the risk of cardiovascular disease.

If anyone's interested I have a tape of a lecture by a leading
Detroit vascular surgeon which deals with this and a lot of
other related topics. He does advocate the IDN program, referred to by
the original poster, and I admit to being a proponent of that
program myself - but it's essentially a lecture on health,
not product promotion, and quite fascinating.

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu

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From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: holidays
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:04:17 GMT

rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:

>In article <Bw6F7p.FqB@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>> (mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu) wrote:

>>I misunderstood what you said.  Yes, I agree with you.  I still
>>have to watch my total calories.  If I eat a VLFD and still eat
>>a lot of sugary things (like fat-free Enteman's) I'll gain weight.
>>
>It sounds like several of us have shared the Entenman's problem!

OK, I think part of the confusion is arising because:

	Robbie, Nancy, and mprisco: 
		agree that
		they need to watch calories even on a VLFD,

	Me:
		not necessary to watch calories as long
		as watching types of food I eat.

I guess what I should have said is that watching calories don't 
seem that important if you eat foods that have a low caloric
"density". I.e. foods that you have to eat quite a lot of --
in lbs or volume -- before you eat a lot of calories.
Sugar is not a fat, so theoretically eating 100% sugar 
would qualify as a VLFD -- I didn't think of this.

Maybe I'll call these "bulky" foods.

Fruits would qualify as bulky foods, although
they contain a lot of sugar, because they are much bulkier
than comparable commercial sweets with the same number of
calories.

Digression:
	I'm not TOO strict about my diet.
	Yesterday I had ice cream with "mame (bean)" topping, with
	whipped topping. It sounds weird to put beans on ice cream,
	but  -- isn't chocolate a bean? Anyways, this is a kind of
	bean that is used in Japan for sweets.
	
	(There's a good line for you dieters -- use the word
	"bean" instead of chocolate. "I think i'll have some
	more beans").
	
-Larry Watanabe
	
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