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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:21:59 GMT

In article <FL7TqB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>It must run in the old Toyota family. Unfortunately my old car is also a
>station wagon so there is no back shelf to put holes into. oh well.
Here in Canada, all car seats are required to be tethered.  It is possible
that you have predrilled holes in the back of your station wagon. (My 8yo
Toyota van has them).  If not, you can drill holes in the floor yourself,
or get a car repair shop to do it for you.  The idea is to fasten the
tether to the frame of the car--in a regular car, it's not really bolted
to the shelf, it's bolted to the frame under the shelf.

(Also, a trick for gettin a carseat in tight is to have an adult kneel
on it while tightening the seatbelt.  Unfortunately, it will likely
be tight enough to dent the upholstery, but I am willing to sacrifice
my car interior for my kid's safety.  Besides, it's nothing compared
to the years of cheerios, raisins and apple juice :)

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Car Seats and Trucks
Organization: /home/rigg/.organization
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:06:03

I have an '87 Ford Ranger with a bench seat, without an extended cab,
and with a manual transmission.  Is there any chance of getting a car
seat to fit this truck.  I doubt it.

Assuming no such seat exists, how would a similar truck with an
extended cab work?  I have my doubts about how safe and securely a
seat would fit in the extended cab part.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Late Crawler/Walker:  My beef
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:48:23 GMT

Sorry, my e-mail address is ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu.
Thanks.

Catharine

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:21:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
>not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a "lap child", and I 
>*had* to hold her.  (This was the first week of September.)

This is not the best place to complain.  If this happens to you, or has
happened to you, you should write a letter of complaint to the FAA, with a
copy to the airline.

If possible, include the date, carrier, flight number and flight attendant's
name.  Also include any documentation, such as photocopies of ticket stubs,
etc.

I suspect what happens in a lot of cases if that the flight gets overbooked,
and the airline sees a way to cram on one more body by stealing the seat
purchased for your child.  That was the avoid having to pay the bumping
penalties to someone else.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.  D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
From: jc4h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joan Ellen Stein)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Warning kids about strangers?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:07:36 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

What is the appropriate age to start talking to children about
strangers?  Is there an FAQ file on the subject?  My son is newly four
and I haven't really talked to him about it yet beyond the "don't ever
go anywhere with some one you do not know" line.  Does anyone have any
recommendations about how to approach the topic in an informative way
without worrying the child too much?  Are there good books on the
subject to read to children?  Its probably time to start soon, although
as yet he is never out on his own in the world.  He still is supervised
when he plays outside.  I would appreciate any suggestions.  Do police
stations sometimes have good programs on this topic?  And while we're on
the topic of warning children, do people introduce the topic to kids
about people touching their bodies in a way that they don't like at the
same time as they discuss strangers?  I guess they're never too young to
know that certain kinds of touch are not okay and that they can and
should say no, scream, and run.
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Videotaping birth
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:49:45 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Grass Valley Group

In article <23171@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com
(Sandra Mergen) wrote:
> 
> We bought a camcorder before our second daughter was born.  The birth
> 
stuff deleted
> I'm really glad to have the video of her birth.  I wish that I could
> have videotaped my older daughters birth, but the birth was such
> a scary time, that I don't want to remember it.  I just like to 
> forget everything up to the part when she was actually born.  O
> I would have liked to have the video of after she was born, and
> when they cleaned her, etc.  But, you can't go back, so I just
> have to be happy with the pictures.

I video taped my third and fourth children using a tripod located just
behind and off to the right of Sharon.  We started taping when we left
for the hospital, each sharing some feelings about the events about to
take place.  In the hospital, I would show fetal monitor at different
times, but most of the time the camera sat unrunning on the tripod.
Sharon and I used LaMaze (sp) and she really needed my help.  When the
big time came, I reached back, started the camera, then forgot about it.
   After the birth, I carried it around, taking shots of our doctor and
nurses (a small town, so we know them!) and of course, Sharon and the
baby.  I was very disgreet in my camera angles, so the resulting tape
can be shown to company without embarassment.  We have even shown it
to a Sunday School class of young teenagers.  I know each of our sons
(and their wives) will cherish these captured moments when they are
older.

Question:  Is there anything special that one must do to preserve VHS
tapes?  I expect that 20 years from now there will be some degrading
of quality, or even before.

Mark K. Sanders
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: equacken@encore.com (Eric E. Quackenbush)
Subject: Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:35:03 GMT

pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:


>In article <1992Sep7.145930.10649@waikato.ac.nz>, dmk@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>|> I have this vague recollection of once reading that fine cornmeal (cornfour
>|> to some North Americans) makes an excellent baby powder (without the
>|> problems of added perfumes, asbestos etc or a huge price tag).
>|> 
>|> Can anyone verify this? Attest to its suitability? Totally repudiate it?

>Cornstarch in the U.S. Might increase the risk of yeast infections, the 
>worst sort of diaper rash, but I don't know whether I believe that.

We use regular ol' cornstarch just to make our little one a little less
'sticky'.  She has always sweat alot and is two now.  Never did put it on 
her bottom though.  Most so called baby powders now are cornstarch with
an ingredient to make it flow....plus perfume and who know what else. 
Talc based powders have been linked to respiratory problems in some babies.

>What *is* baby powder for? We've never used it and never had any problem. 
>All we use is water on washcloths to clean the baby's bottom.

>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: crist@rtsg.mot.com (Cynthia L. Crist)
Subject: Re: Fluoride mouth rinse
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:12:01 GMT

We do not have flouride in our water but our kids do get vitamins with
flouride.  I asked the dentist if they should be using the flouride
rinse as well and she said no.  They have found at that too much
flouride is not good and can cause the teeth to be discolored.
I believe she also said if the water had flouride that the rinse
would not be necessary.

You may want to check with your own dentist.

Cindy
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From: jaye@intermec.com (Jaye Jarchow x2735)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: jaye@intermec.com (Jaye Jarchow x2735)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

In article <1992Sep9.181253.22366@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu} jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer) writes:
}In article <1992Sep8.230251.14756@newstand.syr.edu} kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu
}(Keith E Gatling) writes:
}}Yes, I really am posting this to two different lists, but it really does
}}have to do with both of them.
}}
}}My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
}}we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
}
}[stuff deleted]
}
}}It's the boy's name that a few, and I'll admit it really is only a few,
}}people have given us some grief over.  As a result, Cheryl wanted me to poll
}}you people...on BOTH newsgroups...to see what you think.
}}
}}The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.
}}
}}Okay...opinions?
}}
}
}Name the kid whatever you want.  I wouldn't even be concerned that the name
}appears in books--if you like it and defend it, your child will probably
}have the same attitude, and like the fact that its name is not as common as
}other people's.

Easy to say if you don't have to carry that name around yourself.  I don't like
my name, its androgynous and its unusual.  If you like being unusual that's
fine, but I don't.  I would much rather have been a Bob, Joe or Steve.

Geordie and Devra are probably fine, but don't name your kids to stroke
your own ego.

(Just my opinion.  Hey, you asked!)

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Software Engineer | to. Just a while ago I had to stop myself from 
Intermec Corp.    | killing Commander Riker.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.175255.3319@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>In article <8383.9209091703@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>>
>>In response to Ben Wolfe's post on negative effects
>>of drugs during labor, Liz Attree ends with:
>>
>>Sorry, it made me mad.
>>
>>I just wanted to say ditto, and amen.
>
>Not only that, but I can't understand *where* he gets his
>medical information from.  I've actually read a few of the
>things he's listed, and I cannot understand why he thinks
>they support his position.
>What a jerk trying to impose unnecessary pain on women!

I didn't save the original article, but I don't think Ben was trying to
"impose" pain on women.  He was merely saying that one really ought to
be aware of the risks involved.   He was trying to encourage women to
learn (and I believe that in most case it must be learned) how to labor
without pain medication, for their own health as well as the baby's.

If you want to take the risks, so be it.  But be aware that there *are* 
risks.  Learn what they are.  And also be aware that natural birthers
usually view the pain as *necessary* pain.

Michele

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:57:57 GMT

jtgorman@nevada.edu (Heathers Administrator) writes:

>  Other weird names :

>   My best friend, Barrie, a girl.  (When we go out to eat and they ask
>     for a name, I say "Barrie".  They assume _my_ name is "Barry".  I get
>     a kick out of it.  Barrie doesn't.  :)

I'm here to tell you that "Barrie" is NOT a weird name for a girl.  :-)

Funny things do happen to me with this name (besides the usual misspellings).
I answer my phone at work "Barrie Trinkle", and people who don't know me
often say, "May I speak to him, please?"  A broker cold-called me a few weeks
ago, and had the nerve to say, "Oh, I thought you'd be a man."  (Did he 
make a sale?  Noooooooo...)

A few years ago I used my Am. Ex. card in a store, and the cashier, a ditz
about 10 years younger than I was, looked at me very sternly and said,
"Is this your father's credit card?" 

On the whole, it's fine having an unusual name.  I never minded it much,
even as a kid.  Yes, I got the whole obvious range of nicknames based on
both my first and last names, but you know, kids are really pretty sturdy.
--
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..nothing is so fatal to maidenly delicacy of speech as the run of 
a good library.
				Robertson Davies, _Tempest Tost_
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: names
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:53:42 GMT

In article <183473@pyramid.pyramid.com> devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols) writes:
>
>My $.02.... I have a very uncommon name, Devon (pronounced
>Day-Von, not Dev-In), I am a woman (yea I know it's typically

Okay.  After Devon's response, I thought I better post this:
You know how when you read posts, you "pronounce" words inside
your head? (even if you don't know what I mean, humor me:)
Well.  I would like to publicly apologize for mispronouncing
Seanna's name and Devon's name whenever I read one of your posts!
I will now be reading and pronouncing your names correctly.

:-) :-)

My $.02:  Someone else posted (I'm sorry, I forget who but I probably
mispronounced your name too anyway:) that kids will tease other kids
about ANYTHING and they don't need a unique name to do so. I agree
totally. When I was in school I was constantly teased on my last name,
Sharkey.  Sharkster, Jaws, CPO Sharkey, Sharkey's Machine...ICK to all of
them. And I am also constantly correcting people who insist on calling
me "Jack". Jack is a man's name (I know so is Jackie but you know what
I mean) and it rubs me the wrong way to have someone call me that.
So to double up on what I emailed to Keith, I agree that you should
name your child whatever you want.  Kids will be bothered and teased
no matter what anyway.  And who knows, in 20 years, his peers might even
be *jealous* that he was named after that "old guy" in ST:TNG.  ;-)

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sleeping concerns
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

My son started having sleeping problems shortly after my daughter was
born.  With some work, we got most of the problems corrected.  However,
he would still wake up in the middle of the night crying.  When I asked
him what was the matter, he said "bugs scared me".  This made no sense,
because there were no bugs in his room. After about a month of this,
I finally laid down on his bed and looked around.  There are two plant
hooks on the ceiling.  I climbed up on the nightstand with him and held
him up to touch the hooks, to show him that they weren't bugs.  That
was about two weeks ago, and he has only woken up at night twice since
then, and I think it was because he got cold.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 12 weeks
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 08:57:39 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

> (Hillel) writes:
>
> >Consumers Report claimed that condoms are 85% effective.  In other words,
> >over one year of using condoms, there is 15% probability for an unwanted
> >pregnancy.  In 7 years, the expectation is more than 1...
> >
>
> I'm sure this is not the place to bring this up ...but what the hell.
> So something I've always wondered about is - Why does using a condom
> constitute safe sex?  If sperm can sneak by, can't the HIV virus?
>
> diana

They don't actually "sneak" by. However I've heard that there is a 1 in 10
chance that a condom will tear, and no matter how small that tear is, the
sperm and any virii can indeed get through. Provided the male remembers to
wear one in time.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labor: Ben's Reply
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:19:00 GMT

To Judy Drake (and others following this thread):

Judy, in your last post you describe my presentation of research data
about epidurals as

> preachy, know-it-all, biased and quite possibly inaccurate

My sources were clearly identified, and if you want to question the
credibility of what I said I would suggest you present some evidence
of your own.

Many others interpreted your "no risks to the baby" post exactly
the same way I did. Witness the number of people who have referred
to it as "untrue". I fully acknowledge your correction, but I think
you have to acknowledge that your original message took on a life of
its own, and not just with me.

I find your sensitivity about the subject, and in particular your
attack on the evidence I presented, a bit bizarre given that you
have acknowledged the hazards of epidurals both in this newsgroup
and in your e-mail to me.

Ben Wolfe

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:23:17 GMT
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.12 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1778@shaman.wv.tek.com>  alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
> >
> >On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
> >not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a "lap child", and I 
> >*had* to hold her.  (This was the first week of September.)
> 
> This is not the best place to complain.  If this happens to you, or has
> happened to you, you should write a letter of complaint to the FAA, with a
> copy to the airline.
> 
> I suspect what happens in a lot of cases if that the flight gets overbooked,
> and the airline sees a way to cram on one more body by stealing the seat
> purchased for your child.  That was the avoid having to pay the bumping
> penalties to someone else.

I think you misread the append.  She clearly stated that she did not buy her 
child a seat.  If this is the case, then the airline is under no requirement 
to let her have the child have their own seat.  Especially with this "summer 
from hell" from the flight attendants' perspectives, I'm sure there were 
lots of people with over-2 kids trying to sneak on for free, just assuming 
that there would be a spare seat available.  

Bottom line:  if you want to be sure your child has a seat, buy them a 
ticket.  

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:15:08 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

Christine writes:

> I was just very upset that what I perceived to be the perfect daycare,
> close to my home, had everything we wanted, etc etc etc was the most
> expensive, $125/week with a $270 non-refundable fee to reserve a space
> (I guess) and I had to get on a waiting list now??!!  How can you
> possibly make such a decision before your baby is even born??!!
> Jeez, I am not even sure how long of a maternity leave I will be
> taking, or how long my mom will be watching the little one.


A couple years ago I work at a college based daycare. At that time, due
to a shortage of infant daycare positions (14) in a university town
(apprx 30,000) students, the directors had to create a rule saying that
you must be pregnant before you put your child on the waiting list.

Some people were trying to sign up children who hadn't been conceived
yet!

Search hard and long - I worked for some really good daycares and some
not so hot ones.

'luck!

Brighid

brighid@herrn.stonemarche.org
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Distribution: usa
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <oefV23C0hXuaEsgHwG@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
|> Hi.  Congrats.  My doc says 3 servings of caffiene a day, that include
|> coffee, tea, pop, and CHOCOLATE.  Are you sure you're really "off"
|> caffeine?
|> You should ask you doc and see what she says, but generally, they say 3
|> servings.
|> 
|> Decaf coffee is 99% caffeine free, and regular coffee is something like
|> 68% caffeine free.

So regular coffee is 32% caffeine? Is that wet weight or dry weight? :-)
(I don't mean to be too obnoxious to you, Shirl, I just couldn't resist.)

Decaf coffee has has 99% of the caffeine that is originally present 
removed, so it's really far less than 1% caffeine. Thank goodness, 
as 1% caffeine would be a pretty high dose. (Let's see, if a regular 
cup of coffee has 65 mg of caffeine, and a six-ounce cup is 187 ml 
or approximately 187 g, then regular coffee is 0.03% caffeine, if you 
include the water.)

Some people think that as caffeine is similar in structure to the bases 
in DNA, it may cause mutations (i.e., cancer or rare genetic diseases). 
There is no very good research to show that this is so, but the fact 
that we don't know for sure is a good enough reason to limit your 
caffeine intake to some degree, most people think. Probably a cup a day 
wouldn't do any harm, but you have to make your own decision here. I 
personally wouldn't touch aspartame (NutraSweet) during pregnancy, 
myself, as an example of how uptight I am, but if I could drink coffee 
normally I would have allowed myself a half a cup a day. (I have a 
weird problem with metabolizing caffeine, so I avoid it altogether.)

Decaffeinated coffee should be okay. 

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu