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In rec.arts.comics, dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:

> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> 
> >I don't want to risk bursting your bubble, but I think Marvel probably
> >OWNS image comics. 
> 
> *Ring* "Clue phone, it's for you." Marvel doesn't own Image.

I did say probably, because I was not sure, and I saw someone
once suggest that image was a front for marvel.  All of the
marvel advertisements in their books certainly makes one wonder.

And if marvel does not own them, they might as well.
> 
> >And everything image has done so far still panders to a sixth
> >grade literary sensibility.
> 
> Well, considering most of the people writing for Image came from 
> Marvel, I'd say that's why they write like that.

No, they write like that because it is what the market demands.

> 
> Most monthly comics are analagous to a weekly television show. Recurring
> casts limit the writers to such a degree that most regulatr comics aren't
> going to be great art.

This is not the reason at all, but it is probably a part of it.
The never ending series that goes from plot to plot at the whim
of many different writers and editors cannot be pulled together
in the coherent way needed for it to rise above the mundane.
In general it is safe to say that the highest quality is
achieved in limited series or single shot titles, although
occasionally the serials briefly achieve something nice.


doug
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Second Foxtrot collection
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:13:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <thos.714953347@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>
>Sorry to bring this point up (maybe it should be in a FAQ list?
>but could someone in the US please help with these two questions :
>	Is there a second, large format Foxtrot collection, and if so,
>	What is it called?
There are at least three Fox Trot books - the two I have are "Black Bart 
Says Draw" and "Pass the Loot." 
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From: davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes Bootlegs
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:04:33 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <matt.714865708@unidata.ucar.edu>, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes...
>The question of such things as C&H T-shirts has drawn a lot of debbate.
>In my opinion, this is a case where the black market stuff isn't hurting
>anyone. Someone else is making money that Watterson _chose_ not to make.
>The t-shirts allow fans of the strip to display their affection for it,
>just as any authorized version would. Reproducing the strip or the characters
>faithfully does nothing to corrupt the original, whether it is legal or
>not. If people started making Hobbes Pez dispensers or Calvin lawn jockeys
>(a pretty funny idea, actually) this kind of item uses the characters
>in a way that is not part of the C&H world and could be seen as harming
>the strip's (or the character's) image. If Watterson chose to authorize
>t-shirts and to accept money for them, then it would make sense for true
>fans to purchase only the authorized version. I think perhaps that 
>Watterson fears the pressures that would come to bear on him if he became
>involved in a giant marketing campaign, and the adverse affect that that
>could have on the strip. I also think that people begin to resent the
>creators of strips that become inescapable due to market saturation and 
>Watterson must be aware of this. Rather like hearing the same song every
>time you turn on the radio: you may love it the first time, but you'll
>probably hate it the hundredth time. Anyway, I've rambled long enough.
>The bandwidth is all yours.
>

This is about the biggest crock I've seen in a while.  The question is does
the creator (ie, Watterson) have the right to control how his characters are
used?  I claim that he does (or should).  It's not up to us or anyone else to
second guess what his motives are, or to say that he won't be hurt by one
illegal use or another.  The fact is that Watterson has decided that he
doesn't want images of Calvin and Hobbes appearing on t-shirts, etc., and that
should be respected.  If you're going to go ahead and violate the copyright
anyway, don't try to justify it by saying that Watterson won't be hurt by it.
Watterson, and all creators, ARE hurt by it.  They lose control over their
creations.

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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? I think so.
Summary: Won't be sold
Keywords: Exploitation
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:27:42 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department

Mr. Schultz and his family have both publically said (and quite adamantly as
I recall) that Peanuts will NOT continue to be produced after his retirement/
death.
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From: bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose)
Subject: Re: Second Foxtrot collection
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:29:44 GMT

As far as I know, these are the only Foxtrot books out there.  Please correct
me if I am wrong (or if the info is wrong).  Oh yes, the info I have about
"En Masse" (the latest big book) might not be right; it isn't due out for a
while yet.

Title                                                              Pages  Date
-----------------------------------------------------------------  -----  ----
Foxtrot (foreword by Bill Watterson)                                128   1989
Pass the Loot: A Foxtrot Collection (foreword by Lynne Johnston)    128   1990
Foxtrot: The Works (Collects "Foxtrot" and "Pass the Loot")         254   1990
Black Bart Says Draw: A Foxtrot Collection                          127   1991
Eight Yards, Down and Out: A Foxtrot Collection                     127   1992
Foxtrot: En Masse (Collects "Black Bart..." and "Eight Yards...")   254?  1992?

I have only read "Foxtrot" and "Pass the Loot."  Does anybody out there know
who forworded "Black Bart..." and "Eight Yards...?"
--
Keith Rose
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Angriest Dog in the World Info Wanted
Keywords: Lynch, dog, angriest
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:23:54 GMT

Does anyone know of publications (probably weeklies) which carry David
Lynch's bizarre strip "The Angriest Dog in the World"? It used to be
carried in a Los Angeles weekly; I'm not even certain it's still being
"drawn", if that's the proper term! Any info is welcome - email please.

Thanks -- Larry

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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Second Foxtrot collection
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:09:07 GMT


Sorry to bring this point up (maybe it should be in a FAQ list?
but could someone in the US please help with these two questions :
	Is there a second, large format Foxtrot collection, and if so,
	What is it called?

Many thanks in advance,

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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: Steve Canyon reprints
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:48:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

I am looking for three of Kitchen Sink's Steve Canyon Magazine to
compleate my collection.  If anyone can help I would appreciate it.

I need Steve Canyon #1,13,17.

Just so you know, I have tried Bud Plant, Kitchen Sink, and Last Gasp.
They are all out of these particular volumes.

Email me if you find them.  Thanks in advance.
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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:31:45 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <OTTO.92Aug28132650@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>In article <schumach.714962169@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>   I highly recommend the Dilbert collection (masquerading as a
>   guide to business life), "Build A Better Life Through [By?]
>   Stealing Office Supplies". Hilarious! Your fellow employees
>   will copy panels from it and post them on their doors.
>
>Adams, Scott
>	Build a Better Life by stealing office supplies
>		-- Dogbert's Big Book of Business
>	(Illus.) 11/1991 $7.95 112p. ISBN 0-88687-637-0

A second Dilbert collection is coming out in a couple of months.  Don't 
remember the title, something about avoiding meetings.  Can't wait!

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From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:23:47 GMT
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden

davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis) writes:


>In article <1531@lysator.liu.se>, jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes...
>>schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara) writes:
>> 
>>>A friend of mine is looking for a stuffed Hobbes.  Neither of us have
>>>seen one, and my basic question is.... does one exist?
>> 
>>No, and it probably never will.
>>This is because Bill Watterson doesn't like the idea of 
>>turning Calvin & Hobbes into Yet Another Garfield Clone.
>>I agree totally with him.
>>Of course, T-shirts with Calvin & Hobbes are all quite alright though...
>>

>	No, they're NOT!  The t-shirts you may have seen around are
>	bootlegs.  In other words, they are copyright violations, and
>	are illegal.  Bill Watterson has not authorized these t-shirts,
>	and is not getting any compensation for them.  If you believe
>	the creator has any right to control how his characters are used,
>	then DON'T buy these t-shirts.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's funny, I've seen Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts everywhere 
in Europe and the motives are the same and so is the printing 
quality which is, incidentally, quite good.
Oh well, I was wrong. Silly me (kick in the face).

However, I cannot see any reason why Bill Watterson shouldn't
grant permits for T-shirts, since they're just reprints of the
comic strip on cotton.

I can understand why he resents the idea of Calvin & Hobbes dolls,
lunch boxes, highspeed modems, prophylactics etc, etc, etc but 
T-shirts? I mean, Calvins dad (Bill Watterson in an alternative
universe) had a T-shirt with the writing "Party Naked" on it
so I assume that T-shirts aren't totally out of the question...

>	The only authorized "Calvin & Hobbes" spin-off products are
>	books and calendars.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've bought them all, so I guess that I'm not such a bad person
after all...

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>     /
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/Jan
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From: khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley)
Subject: Re: Pogo comic book reprints
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:15:02 GMT

Lawrence Larson (m14430@mwunix.mitre.org) wrote:
: For any Pogo fans out there, these are publications I haven't heard 
: discussed before. Browsing in a Borders bookstore last night, I found:
: 
Besides those books, there is also the first volume of the complete
reprinting of the strip, from Fantagraphics Books.  It is only US$9.95
and is good, with pretty good strip reproduction.

Keith Handley   kehandley@amherst.edu
From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: C. S. M. is still OK IMHO
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:12:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne


After reading this thread for a few days and getting mildly depressed
about the decline of Peanuts, suddenly today's strip is the best I have seen
in a long while:

Snoopy at easel painting. The only object in the panel is a waterdish.

Lucy: What sort of a dumb painting is this ? No one will buy it because
      there's no action in it.

3rd panel: Woodstock wearing a mask and snorkle pops up out of the waterdish.

Well, it amused me anyway. I can't help thinking that it was a cosmic
message saying "Charles hasn't lost it, he just has more misses these days."

Incidentally, how old is the strip I described. Here in Australia we are
somewhat behind the US. I am not sure how far.

	Andrew Davies

P.S. When oh when is a Melbourne daily going to pick up Calvin and Hobbes ?
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From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:24:12 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <BturpL.BIA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
|> 
|>      If you haven't done so already, go out and grab "How To Build A Better
|> Life by Stealing Office Supplies," a collection of original Dilbert
|> cartoons based on life in the office.


This isn't a collection of Dilbert cartoons -- they were all written
specifically for the book.

Which gives rise to this question:  Is there a collection of the regular
Dilbert strip?  Surely it's been around long enough, hasn't it?


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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Any good one-box comics?
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:18:42 GMT

In article <OTTO.92Aug26014411@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>A friend once showed me a collection of wonderfully warped cartoons
>mainly about people with medical problems (my friend explained that
>the author is a paraplegic), the cover had a drawing of a door which
>said "mental ward number three" and a small sign hanging from the
>doorknob saying "do not disturb any further".  Does anyone recognize this?

One of two collections by John Callahan, that one with the title "Do Not
Disturb Any Further". His other collection is titled "Digesting the Child
Within", and I believe a third collection is due out next month but I 
forget the title. He also wrote a prose autobiography entitled "Don't Worry,
He Won't Get Far On Foot" which had a cover illustration featuring a
toppled wheelchair.

The quote provided by Gary Larson on the cover of Digesting... is the correct
"There are two reasons I enjoy Callahan's work so much: First, I think his
cartoons are just plain funny, and second, he mkes my own work look normal."
Another apt quote by P.J. O'Rourke is "When people laugh like hell and then
say, 'That's not funny,' you can be sure they're talking about John Callahan".
Btw, he's a quadriplegic, not a paraplegic; apparently his fingers still
work somewhat, but his art does have a very definite rough quality to it
for obvious reasons. He particularly likes pushing the boundaries of
"tasteful" humor in the sense of finding everything subject to humor,
particularly physical handicaps. If you're PC in the original sense of the
word rather than the corruption of it refering to anyone left of Bush, just
remember that he's handicapped himself so it's OK.

Good ones from Digesting include:
1.(Little boy to a blind man with cane) "Shoe's untied".
2. (cane being moved over the shoe)
3. "Made you look!"

Jesus walking on water, but slipping wildly on the Valdez oil slick thereon.

Etc. While I think Disturb was overall better, Digesting is certainly
worth getting and I plan to get the next collection as well.

"The following program contains language which may be offensive to some, and a
turn-on to others." --John Callahan
tyg  tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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Subject: Schultz's senilty
From: carruthers@brandonu.ca (Kai'ckul)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:53:18 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Senility?  Hm...  Maybe he's just lost his sense of humour.  Totally.

I occasionally used to get laughs out of Peanuts, but recently I've
been finding it harder and harder to laugh, and the last few strips about
coyotes howling have been totally baffling.  They're totally humourless,
and don't seem to be "poignant" or thought-provoking.  Unless he comes
up with a great punchline at the end of this whole thing to tie it all
together and make it make sense all of a sudden, I'd say he's lost.

Funnily enough, the most recent Peanuts that I found really funny was
also another indicator of his, er, going out into left field.  It was the
one with the lines "I come from a very poor family.  We were so poor we
had to eat cat food.  So we all died."

Sean
carruthers@tkm.Brandonu.ca

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From: lsmith@micro.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:26:37 GMT

In article <schumach.714962169@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>I highly recommend the Dilbert collection (masquerading
>as a guide to business life), "Build A Better Life Through
>[By?] Stealing Office Supplies". Hilarious! Your fellow
>employees will copy panels from it and post them on their
>doors.

I agree. Nothing from the daily Dilbert strips, but this is funny stuff. 
This is the sort of book that everyone finds at least cartoon they want to
tack up on their door.

A second Dilbert "business" book is due out soon. I think the release date
is late September or early October.
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From: bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose)
Subject: BIBLIOGRAPHY: Calvin and Hobbes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:39:32 GMT

Following is a bibliography of "Calvin and Hobbes" collections by Bill
Watterson.  As you can see, there are some holes in my information.  If
anybody has the information I lack, send me mail.  I will be updating and
posting this as need warrants.  Also, I have tried to list the books in
chronological order by release.  Since the only date I have is just the
year, and often more than one book is released in a year, the order might
be off.  If so, let me know.  Enjoy!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Calvin and Hobbes / by Bill Watterson

Title                                                   Pages     ISBN      Date
------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------- ----
Calvin and Hobbes                                        127  0-8362-2088-9 1987
Something Under the Bed Is Drooling                      127  0-8362-1825-6 1988
The Essential Calvin and Hobbes (hardback)               254  _-____-____-_ 1988
The Essential Calvin and Hobbes (paperback)              254  _-____-____-_ 1988
The Calvin and Hobbes Lazy Sunday Book                   125  0-8362-1852-3 1989
Yukon Ho!                                                126  0-8362-1835-3 1989
Weirdos from Another Planet!                             127  0-8362-1862-0 1990
The Authoritative Calvin and Hobbes (hardback)           253  0-8362-1864-7 1990
The Authoritative Calvin and Hobbes (paperback)          253  0-8362-1822-1 1990
The Revenge of the Baby-Sat                              127  0-8362-1866-3 1991
Scientific Progress Goes "Boink"                         127  0-8362-1878-7 1991
Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons  127  0-8362-1883-3 1992

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
Keith Rose (bkr24@cas.org)
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From: khandley@amhux1.amherst.edu (Keith Handley)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:30:05 GMT

Mika O. Latokartano (mol@jyu.fi) wrote:
:   I'd hesitate to claim Schultz being senile.  But I agree with Mr. Buffum
:   on the part that "Peanuts" just isn't amusing anymore.  Even the
:   drawings seem to have been drawn with a shaking hand.  Does Mr. Schultz 
:   do all the drawings by himself?  How old is he?

He's pretty old (good answer, huh?).  And yes, he now does have a shaky
hand, but he always took pride in his doing every strip himself, without
assistants (at least in the sense that many comic strip artists have
assistants who are really ghosts).

And although this doesn't mean that it isn't time for Schulz to retire,
I imagine that in most of your papers that there are >7 strips that you
think are worse than Peanuts and would rather see go first.

Keith Handley   kehandley@amherst.edu
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From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes Bootlegs
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:03:43 GMT

In article <matt.714865708@unidata.ucar.edu> matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:
>The question of such things as C&H T-shirts has drawn a lot of debbate.
>In my opinion, this is a case where the black market stuff isn't hurting
>anyone. ... 
>.... I also think that people begin to resent the
>creators of strips that become inescapable due to market saturation and 
>Watterson must be aware of this. 

  There are many reasons a person would chose not to market his or her
created characters, and you have given one big one yourself: namely,
overexposure (especially through product marketing) can cheapen a
character and cost an artist popularity and credibility.

  It is obvious, at least to my eyes, that black market products *do*
hurt an artist in many, many ways, especially in Watterson's case.


--Raymond Flournoy        
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