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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: Humane Society Blues
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:03:45 GMT

(Long story about bad Human Society experience deleted)

This kind of behavior does upset me but, what I don't understand is why  
they wouldn't let you look at any cat. Didn't you explain to them that you  
"probably" wouldn't have your new kitty declawed? Am I misunderstanding  
what you said to them. Or, are you planning on declawing your new cat? It  
isn't my business whether you do or not, that is your decision. These  
kinds of experiences make you wonder, huh? There should be a club for  
"Bonafide Cat Lovers" so that people know you wouldn't harm those lovable  
creatures.

lyndap@novell.com
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Humane Society Blues
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:44:34 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

All I have to say on this topic is that I feel *so* sorry for the cats who
might have been adopted and then declawed, since your Humane Society
chapter thinks it is more humane to euthanize the cats than declaw them.

When I adopted Hemingway, they were pretty good to me, but I am amazed
that you were not allowed to *look* at all the cats.  I filled out my
application before I could take a kitten out of a cage, but the deciding
factor for them seemed to be watching me *with* the kitten.  I noticed
that although the attendant was not always hanging over the shoulder of a
person getting acquainted with an animal, they were always watching...

They gave me a very long list of horrible things about declawing, but it
was on paper (admittedly my previous cat had not been declawed).

Don't bother flaming me.  I won't listen. :)

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.     . *~*}    Sheryl Stover           | "The Republicans were right! We're
   .    *~*}    sstover@seattleu.edu    | all gettin' sucked down a cesspool
 . *  . *~*}    (& Hemingway & Clio)    | of depravity and bad manners! Time
 *    . *~*}    Medici in the studio in | for action!! We'll stop it cold!!!
.  .    *~*}    December                | Get goin! Okay! sit down, shut up,
    *   *~*}                            | and do the family values thing!!"
 .    . *~*}                            |		-Opus
From: luanne@Pt.hq.af.mil (LuAnne Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: My roommate broke my kitten's leg!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:25:02 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC


 don't know your financial situation but my advice is to move out and find
another roommate.  I would find the emotional turmoil of leaving my kitten
alone with an abusive person worse than the financial hardships of moving.
Giving up deposits and comming up with new initial deposits are rough --
mayybe you could get a loan from a friend or an advance on your credit card.

Make sure your next roommate approves and really likes pets.  I have a dog 
and a cat and when I interview potential roommates, I make sure they don't 
just tolerate my animals but are true animal lovers and really appreciate
them.

If this option simply isn't available, consider giving the kitten to someone
who can provide it a safe, loving environment (maybe your girlfriend?) until
you can make other arrangements.

LGood luck - LuAnne
.
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: why no food after neuter?
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:53:16 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <1d7r69INNgq9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, N. Nelson writes:

>    Anyone know the logic behind this request? He's not showing
>any effects of the anesthetic at all, and I keep having to remind
>him he had surgery this morning, and jumping around is not a 
>good idea. All he knows is, he's HUNGRY!
he'd be likely to show effects if you'd fed him.  many anesthetics cause
postoperative vomiting.  if his stomach stays empty for the reccomended time
he'll be hungry, but if you feed him too soon he may throw up.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: New Pounce Tartar Control stuff
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:29:52 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <lfiot4INN63k@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, andrewr@ultrix.EBay.Sun.COM (Andy Roach) writes:
>Has anyone out there tried this new Pounce tartar control snack ?, well your
>cats that is :-)
>
>I just bought a small box last night and the cats just went crazy for it. They
>liked it more than the ordinary Pounce.
>
>The label claims it will reduce tartar by uptp 50% !
>
>Andy

I haven't heard of this but I would be curious to know more about it after 
shelling  out close to $100CDN to have my cats teeth cleaned.

Bob
From: betty@funky.austin.ibm.com (Betty Riggle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: othe monsters .... music
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:12:12 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD Austin, TX


I'm not sure if Spot likes the music or not.  Whenever I attempt to play the
flute or recorder, Spot will climb up into my lap and attempt to remove 
the instrument by pawing it out/away from my mouth.  Whistling gets a similar 
response, but she's not as agressive about it. I didn't think I was that bad!  
Delilah, on the other hand, doesn't really care.  Needless to say, it is
difficult to play an instrument around Spot.
Betty 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton)
Subject: Tim's dying cat
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:18:49 GMT

Tim -- a friend of mine also had a cat who refused to eat, lost weight, and was
in danger of dying.  It started out as a hairball, but even after they took 
care of that, he refused to eat.  Finally, the vet figured out that Kitty 
couldn't taste the food - a virus had somehow disrupted his sense of taste and 
smell.  They tried valium, which is somehow a major appetite stimulant, and 
Kitty started eating.  He'd gone from 16 pounds down to 7, but is back up to 14
now and doing great.

Hope things work out.

Ginny
vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeffp@yoda.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke - Vet med staff)
Subject: Re: Feline Urinary problem... HELP!
Originator: jeffp@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 23:55:37 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.203651.11670@newsgate.sps.mot.com> r1156c@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael R. Dow) writes:
>    Vincent, my Maine Coon cat, has developed a problem.  Over the past 
>several days he has begun drinking huge quantities of water and urinating 
>very shortly after drinking.
>
>    After a trip to the vet and several blood tests, we still don't know 
>what's wrong with the loveable little fellow.  The vet says that he is 
>underweight, that there is no sign of infection, and that he is *over* 
>hydrated.  But he still drinks and urinates like *CRAZY*.  The specific 
>gravity of his urine was the lowest this vet had ever seen and had no odor or 
>coloration.  The vet has *never* seen a problem like this.  (BTW... It is not 
>diabetes.. The vet tested for that)

The list of possible causes of increased water intake with excessive urination
of dilute urine includes (besides diabetes mellitis):

diabetes insipidus (lack of ADH or lack of sensitivity to ADH in the kidney)
hyperparathyroidism
hyperthyroidism
hypoadrenocorticism
hyperadrenocorticism
pyometra (most common in the intact bitch)
kidney disease
liver disease
secondary to certain drugs or toxins
hyperviscosity syndrome
psychogenic water consumption

If the specific gravity is exceptionally low (hyposthenuria), the first
and the last items on this list have greater likelihood.

A simple test your vet might consider is a water deprivation test of the
ability of the kidneys to concentrate the urine.

The list of things to look for in cases of PU/PD is fairly long, and some
conditions require more extensive diagnostic tests than others to nail
down.  Most are treatable, especially if caught early.

---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
-- 
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: eomiya@borland.com (Elliot Omiya)
Subject: Re: Soft Paws (tm?)
Originator: eomiya@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: declawing,surgery,furniture
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:42:14 GMT

There is two ways to declaw a cat.  One is to remove the entire digit.  This
is the easy and exceedingly cruel method.  The second method is to remove
the entire claw assembly from the digit itself, not a simple operation, and
more expensive.  Some more concerned vets will only do the latter operation
and some refuse to declaw in any way, shape, or form.

-=<EHO>=-
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith)
Subject: Re: Brave Missy and the Sock Monsters
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06:33:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.204526.15053@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> sbp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Sue Price) writes:
>>>monster again.
>>>
>>Bravo!  But watch that monster - Socrates has started hearing it
>>scratching on the sock drawer even when closed.  He sits on top of
>
>He must think his name is SOCKrates. :-)
>
That has, in fact, been suggested as an explanation for his behavior.
It does not, however, explain what mysterious demon he is currently
protecting me from - the only thing I know about it is that it lives
under the refrigerator and occasionally must be yowled at from 
under the dining room table.  He is currently starting his third hour
on howl patrol - I cannot tell you how much safer I feel!
  
--j


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin)
Subject: Re: other monsters....
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.000805.3129@u.washington.edu> lcornell@carson.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell) writes:
>Oh, I forgot one....the dreaded pony-tail holder monsters.  When left in
>
>Linda ;)!

I haven't seen any mention of the sneaky wire Bread Bag Ties! Both Chessie
and Peeper go nuts over these ... throwing them across the room, flipping
them straight up, pouncing on 'em, etc.

Chessie also reeeaalllyy likes the Crispy-Rustley Paper Balls I make by
crushing pages from my old TV Guide. I find them all over the house,
under furniture, behind the TV, in the cabinets!
-- 
********************************************************************************* MARG MORIN     (morin@noao.edu)  | National Optical Astronomy Observatories  **    aka: The Seeker               | 950 E. Cherry  Tucson, AZ   85716         *
*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*    "I'm just a person trapped inside a woman's body" - Elaine Boosler        *********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: WHAT TO NAME A WHITE MALE KITTEN
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:31:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>In article <1992Nov4.014446.175240@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE J. SCHLOGL) writes:
>> ITS MY FIRST TIME TO EVER HAVE A PET IN MY LIFE.
>> ANY ADVICE GIVE IT. ILL NEED IT.
>> ALSO I NEED A GREAT NAME.
>> NOTHING STUPID OR TIPICAL LIKE WHITEY OR SNOWBALL,FLUFFY
>> THANK YOU.
>> GEORGE AND ? signing off
>> and im living here in allentown

Miyuki means "Beautiful Snow" in Japanese, but its traditionally a female name.

If you're in Allentown, how about "Steel"?  /too obvious?

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
|            Brad Barton -- brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org          |
| "Mother you've taught me the laws are so fine,              |
|  If I'm good, that I will be protected.                     |
|  I've fallen through the crack and there's no getting back, |
|  Now I'll never trust whoever gets elected.                 |
|                      -- Suzanne Vega "Bad Wisdom"           |
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From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re:  Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5700
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <1992Nov9.172449.1@stsci.edu> hagel@stsci.edu writes:
>I remember that Amy Carter had a Siamese, but I can't think of the name.
>Come to think of it, Reagan & Bush are confirmed dog people...
>
>Crystal Hagel

I think there's something to that...

I can't remember Amy's cat's name either.  In fact, there haven't been any
*children* in the White House since Carter either.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.     . *~*}    Sheryl Stover           | "The Republicans were right! We're
   .    *~*}    sstover@seattleu.edu    | all gettin' sucked down a cesspool
 . *  . *~*}    (& Hemingway & Clio)    | of depravity and bad manners! Time
 *    . *~*}    Medici in the studio in | for action!! We'll stop it cold!!!
.  .    *~*}    December                | Get goin! Okay! sit down, shut up,
    *   *~*}                            | and do the family values thing!!"
 .    . *~*}                            |		-Opus
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:42:52 EST
From: <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: A big thanks from Bonkers to everyone!

   About two weeks ago, I posted a thread saying my parent's cat was dying
and was not eating.  Well, there is good news.  My mom took Bonkers back
down to the vet, and he began to force feed her.  I didn't like the idea
too much, but it seemed to work.  She is now eating on her own, and is
re-gaining her strength.  I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to
my posting, giving me advice and sympathy.

                                                                [Tim]
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: UPDATE: Is this what I think it is...
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:15:39 GMT



Well, folks, sad news, I'm afraid. Last week I asked whether 
my mother-in-law's Siamese, Dallas, had any hope or not and
asked for help in figuring out what it is. SO many kind thoughtful
folks responded that I didnt have time to respond to you all 
personally so you will have to excuse me for a group thank you!
I really appreciate all your helpful ideas and support. 

Last night, after we had been up to my parents' all weekend, Loni
called and said they had had to put Dallas down earlier in the week.
He was just too far gone and she was really upset (quite obviously
and understandably) about the turn of events. He was a great big
hunking sealpoint Siamese who, in the summer turned nearly 
solid black. He was a BIG cat, but he was only about 7 years old.
Even though I never knew him well, what I knew of him was
nothing but good. He lived a good life though, wandering around a
 5 acre farm plot where he got to chase mice and rabbits and squirrels
to his heart's content. He NEVER went near the road, which was a 
good thing even though their road hardly has ANY traffic on it. Peter
(my husband) is rather upset about it all, of course, but it seems to help
 him having Pixel, our Siamese around. At least they still have Dallas'
daughter Amber ( a BEAUTIFUL gray Persian/Siamese mix), after that
one litter, he was neutered (and it was a planned mating too, Amber
was the stud fee).

Well, RIP, Dallas... animals just leave this Earth too soon...

Kay Schlumpf & Crew
	Peter - hubby
	Baeki - 2.5 yr old black Cocker Spaniel (female)
	Pixel - 1.5 yr old sealpoint Siamese (female)
	Dante - 1 yr old b&w longhaired mutt cat (male)
	Siegfried - 3 mos. old black German Shepherd (male)
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: cat food blues...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:40:06 GMT


Hi all, 
after all the posts about "good" cat food, and less eating with 
"good" cat food, I went to PetMart to find the "good" cat food and was
blithly led to "Show Cat" (I think that is what it was called). The
owner swore to this food and said it was better and healthier and
cheaper than IAMS, so I said, "Hey..sounds great!". It was about $.97
a pound and you just scooped it from bins. They had a kitten version,
a cat version and a lite version. Well, it looks good, smells good and
my cats love it!! 
Now the bad news...they eat more of this than the cheapo store brand
and it is going faster than anything I have ever fed them! Also..talk
about cat poopies! This stuff must go right thru them considering how
much they eat! I have never seen so much poop in the litter box in all
my cat years! (and I have been scooping every 2 days!!!!!)
the one up side is that it doesn't smell bad in the litter box.
So, anyway...my real question here is, "Was I really gypped? Or do my
cats just love it so much they have to eat it constantly? And has
anyone heard of this brand, and if so what can you tell me about it?"

I guess I should go with Iams, eh? I just want to find a dry food that
will sustain my cats so they won't have to eat and therefore poop so
much. The "good" cat food should produce that effect, yes?

Also, this lovely store clerk showed me some kitty litter that is
"better and cheaper" than Nature's Select (sounds familiar, eh?) at
least his advice aobut this stuff was okay. It is called...oh shoot,
now I forget the name, but it is French. And the name is in green
letters. It is scoopable and pretty good. Around the same price as
everything else I have seen on the market..about $4.00 a gallon jug.

So, anyway...any suggestions on the pet food would be appreciated...
OH and I am really interested in this "softpaws" thing that someone
mentioned...now if it doesn't interfere with tree climbing, can it
still protect furniture???

thats it!

Susan
>>sbiles@dante.nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Re: WHAT TO NAME A WHITE MALE KITTEN
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:16:44 GMT

My 17 pound white male cat is named Snowflake.  Also goes
by the name of 'The Flakester' or 'Flaky-Flakester'.

-Paul
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: That new clumping litter ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:17:18 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <3283@voodoo.UUCP>, das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
|>>In <4110@unisql.UUCP> collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce) writes:
|>>
|>>>In article <shari.720465772@rlxdev> shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari
Bernhard) writes:
|>>>>I haven't seen any of the multitude of posts mention Litter Purrfect which
|>>>>I get a COSTCO (wholesale club) for $4.59 a jug.  It's the best
I've tried.
|>>
|>>>Wow!  You pay $4.59 a jug?  Is it a big jug or just one of the usual
|>>>7lb. (milk jug) varieties?
|>>
|>
|>I do believe I paid around $8 on my last visit to Costco for a  * 35 lb *
|>jug of Litter Purrfect. 
|>
|>------
|>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
|>                             ^^^^ please note addition to address 
|>                 "Hatred is not a family value"
                 
There are times when I really envy you Americans - rare, but sometimes :).
A milk-jug size (7 lb?) of one of the more popular brands (I think it was
Everfresh) is about $20. The cheapest I've found so far is Snuffy's, which
sells a box for $14. I'd guess the box is about twice the amount that's in
the jug (15 lb maybe). 

Anybody else in the area who's found something cheaper (Ottawa,
Ontario)? Snuffy's is from Pet Food Plus. An added incentive is I buy
all my Science 
Diet there, and they have a "Pampered Pet" plan, where a card is stamped
every time I spend $10 or more. After 7 stamps, I get $5 off the next 
purchase. Oh, they also have a box for donations to the Humane Society.

Just out of curiosity, what do you pay for cat food?

- Lianne - 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton)
Subject: Re: Spaying cat? HELP!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.032113.15373@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psy
ch.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>Hi! I am new to this group and a relatively new cat owner :-) Zeb is
>approximately 8 months old and we got her from a shelter at 2 months old.
>I really love her a lot and have been having some trouble reconciling
>myself to the idea of having her spayed. It seems to me as though everyone
>just expects that you will have this done to your cat and I am really not
>sure.  Zeb is an inddor cat, very "outspoken" as the vet says and very
>playful. (yes my cat fetches too!!) I am very afraid that this operation
>will take away her energetic manner and make her docile....which is NOT
>what I want...I like her fiesty and mean :-) Books and vets always talk
>about how this will make your cat more friendly and cuddly...my reaction
>is "so will a lobotomy". I also feel as though this is unnecessary surgery
>and will be traumatic for Zeb and I feel as though I am taking away a part of
>her for no reason and that I am betraying her when she can't give her consent.
>My fiance says that if we keep her as a house cat its not fair to burden her
>with the sexual frustration and that spayed cats live longer and are 
healthier.

Your fiance is right.  My 2 year-old spayed female cat Emma is *full* of energy
and not the least docile.  Affectionate, yes.  But not listless.  Has Zeb come 
into heat yet?  It's a very noisy experience and will more or less continue 
unabated as long as she is not pregnant.  You do her no favor by forcing her to
go through this.  There are *more* than enough kittens in the world already, so
you don't want to add to the number.  You also eliminate the possibility of 
certain cancers through this operation.

Enjoy your new family member!

Ginny