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From: wargopl@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Peter L. Wargo)
Subject: Re: How to add SCSI peripherals -- CHEAPLY?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:28:34 GMT


[Discussion on using PC cases for disk drives removed...]

To add my $0.02 worth...

For some time now, I've been using a PC tower case to hold the tape and
disk drives for my 3/50.  It has a 250W power supply, and the power
supply is the only cooling device in the case.  Mounted in the case are:
(2) 150M HH ESDI drives
(1) MD21 SCSI-ESDI adaptor
(1) 150M FH MFM drive
(1) ACB4000
(1) Archive viper 2150S SCSI tape
(1) 105M 3.5" SCSI drive.

The case has 8 HH bays.  I left a space between the two ESDI drives, and
put a blank plate in to fill the holes.  All the drives are running far
cooler than when they were in shoeboxes. The whole thing tucks
neatly under my desk, and connects to the 3/50 with a 2M SCSI-1 cable.

You *can* use a PC case (I have brackets in mine for an extra fan, but
haven't needed it...), just design intellegently.

-Pete

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: lucio@wn.apc.org (Lucio de Re)
Subject: UUCP over X.25 from a SPARCstation 2
Summary: How is it done?
Keywords: uucp, X.25
Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA
Organization: WorkNet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:14:41 GMT

Firstly, sorry for the broad cross-posting, but I had some serious trouble
trying to establish which newsgroups I should post to.

The gist:  We have a SPARCstation 2 running sunlink-X.25 moderately
successfully, but we need to deliver immediate mail using UUCP to
overseas sites.  It seems necessary to do somewhat more than merely
configure the Sunlink parameters, so I'd like some directions as to
what type of Dialers and/or Devices entries should be used for this.

All suggestions welcome, e-Mail definitely preferred.  Thanks.

Lucio de Re
lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: glenn@popeye.genie.uottawa.ca (Glenn Warnock 789-3225 Algonquin Associate)
Subject: S-BUS video capture, compression and display cards
Originator: glenn@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:35:04 GMT


We are currently looking at video capture and display cards for a network of Sun SPARC stations for our multimedia research lab. The cards will be used with a camera and other video devices to store video sequences in an object-oriented data base and then retrieve them for display.

JPEG compression is important, as well as an inexpensive way to display the video sequences. (Ideally we would get one relatively expensive cards for capture of our video and 4 inexpensive cards that could be used for display).

We are currently looking at VideoPix and the Parallax XVideo cards. Any other products in this realm or tales of experience would be much appreciated. I'll post a summary if I get some interesting responses.

-- 
Glenn Warnock
mail:	glenn@popeye.genie.uottawa.ca
Phone:	(613) 789-3225
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Subject: 8-bit bootprom blues....
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:52:58 GMT

Hi.

I remember a discussion here previously that said you had to have new
boot-proms to be able to use eightbit characters on the console. 
But I never saw any version numbers....
I just got brand new ones from the Swedish SUN office, and they won't
work. So what version should I tell them to give me ?

/Per
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From: chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au (Christopher Fraser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Adding RAM to SS10?
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:54:24 GMT

obi@finnbogi.ocs.com (Obi Thomas) writes:
>Yes, just buy one SIMM. But the SIMMs are the new DSIMM packs, which are
>larger than the ones used in, say, a SPARCstation 1+. You must also
>populate the slots in a particular order. The order is documented in the
>little booklet which comes with the DSIMM (at least, the Sun labeled
>DSIMMs).

We found that the order listed in the DSIMM manual was in fact incorrect. Has
anyone else come across this? (They're buggers to plug in too, the manual
should read hard rather than firm :-)

It's worth noting too that third party supplies of DSIMMs are available and
cost about 1/2 to 1/3 of the Sun list price.

Cheers,
--
Christopher Fraser      "First time surrealists are often confused by the
chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au    similarities between fish and telephones"
From: aliamus@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Steve Aliamus)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:02:01 GMT
Subject: Iomega flopticals on Classic/LX
Organization: HP Corporate, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware

Posting for a friend without net access:

Sun is charging $150 for its 1.44 Mb floppy drive for
SPARCclassic and LX.  Iomega is offering its 21 Mb floptical
drive (capable of reading/writing "standard" floppies) for
$350.

Q1:  Will the Iomega work on a Classic or LX?
Q2:  Does this seem like a good deal?

Thanks
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:6232 comp.sys.sun.misc:5835
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:31:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>I was told essentially the same thing, including a statement that for
>a field engineer to even *attempt* to load 4.1.X onto one of the new
>machines was a firing offense.  Kind of makes me want to try it....also
>kind of makes me think it might work!

Kind of makes *me* suspicious that it might *almost* work, but fail at
times, so that Sun wouldn't want their field engineers trying to "help"
customers who want 4.1.x on Tsunami machines by booting or loading it
and then having the machines fail and having to pick up the pieces....

Feel free to try it (hint: you won't have any luck whatsoever with a
Sun-4c kernel, as the Tsunami machines are Sun-4m's), but don't feel
free to report bugs to Sun if you actually hope they'll do something
about them....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: stehman%citron.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jeff Stehman)
Subject: Re: How well do Sun 3/60s work as color X terminals?
Reply-To: stehman%citron.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:57:22 GMT

From article <BzB6Gw.9An@well.sf.ca.us>, by gaarder@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Gaarder):
> We have a number of Sun 3/50s, which we have been happily using as mono
> X terminals.  Now some of our people want color, and an obvious answer
> is to get some color 3/60s and use them the same way.  How do these
> do for speed?  Are there any gotchas I should know about?


Works fine.  Only problem I had was that when I slid from the color screen to
the mono screen, I was looking at the console -- no X windows.  Slid back to
the color screen and everything was fine.  My solution has been to start the
server with the -zaphod switch and ignore the problem.  If anyone else ran
into this problem and actually fixed it, I'd love to hear about it.

--
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stehman@cs.clemson.edu		Dept. of Computer Science
(803)656-2639			Clemson University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: mist@source.nl (Michiel Steltman)
Subject: Where to find 'tempest' compliant disks?
Organization: Source Information Technology B.V.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:19:34 GMT

Hi,

I am in urgent need to find SUN-compatible TEMPEST compliant disks. For those
unknown with this term, TEMPEST equipment is compliant with low
noise-radiation standards used in mainly DOD-type environments.

Please send me mail, I do not always read (all) newsgroups.

I will summarize!

Regards,


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: sja@world.std.com (Stuart J Adams)
Subject: CD-ROM Drive for both Sun and PC
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:03:02 GMT

Does a CDROM drive exist which can be used for both a Sun Workstation
(including booting from the CDROM) as well as a PC (with Windows/DOS/NT, etc)

Thanks,
Stuart Adams
sja@world.std.com
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: Where do I terminate a Sparc2 internally?
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:53:27 GMT


to answer the termination question. You are not required to terminate any internal disk
on a sparc II. The termination is provided on the motherboard.

Matthew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/60 / Archive QIC-150 boot problems
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:04:46 GMT


You may want to make sure the prom level is acceptable on the 3/60 that won't boot.
The manual should tell you the lowest acceptable level

matt
Newsgroups: nrl.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: wang@cedar.nrl.navy.mil (Dennis Wang)
Subject: SCSI-2 on Sun SPARC 10
Reply-To: wang@cedar.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Research Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:38:49 GMT

Does anyone know of any problems using the SCSI-2 on a SPARC 10 ?  I am getting some
conflicting stories.

1. "No problem mixing fast SCSI-2 and slow SCSI" - Sun rep

2. "Big problem mixing fast SCSI and slow SCSI, you should put all your
slow SCSI devices on the SPARC 10 embedded controller and all the fast SCSI on
a separate differential SCSI controller board (you will have to buy diff SCSI drives also - about $200 more per drive). Sun really messed up with the active termination
on the embedded controller. " - 3rd party drive supplier

3. "No problem mixing fast SCSI and slow SCSI" - another 3rd party drive supplier

Any experience out there ?
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Solar Physics Branch - Code 7660
U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.
4555 Overlook Ave SW
Washington DC 20375-5000

E-mail: wang@cedar.nrl.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SS10 GX plus performance
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:32:17 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

I need to compare graphics performance with a HP system in a hurry. Can
anyone please send me any specs they have on the GX plus accelerator?

I'm a tyro in this area - the specs I have for the HP system are in
terms of X11 perf and 2D/3D vectors per sec. If possible, I would like
to have the comparable benchmarks.

Thanks in advance.

jin meng
From: db74+@andrew.cmu.edu (Derrick J. Brashear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:26:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fATj8K00VIGA4xUpv
	<BzEq5s.Ez0@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.sun.hardware: 17-Dec-92 Re: Sun's GUI and
OS mistak.. David R. Linn@vuse.vande (1432)

> >We use Motif.  Our lives would be so much easier if Sun got rid of olwn
> >and supported mwm.  At least Sun supports X11.  They have some nice
> >utilities such as Tooltalk but all in all, Sun's attempts to lead
> >the open systems marketplace has really been a failure.

> Ah, ... surveys ...

> I'll publicly state that I prefer OPEN LOOK* to Motif and I know several
> other people who also prefer OPEN LOOK to Motif.  A lot of people were
> strongarmed into using Motif by being told "that's what *everyone* is
> going to use; you don't want to make the *wrong* choice, do you?"
I think Motif sucks. I'll use OPEN LOOK any day before Motif. I prefer
olwm and olvwm to mwm ... and if I couldn't run OPEN LOOK, I'd be using
twm/tvtwm.

-D
From: dwf@doug.Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Memory capacity of 670MP?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:28:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwf@doug.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: doug

In article GAz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, sjh@cantor.math.purdue.edu (Steve Holmes) writes:
>My appologies if this has been covered before.  I can't seem to find
>how much memory I can put into my 670MPs.  Can anyone out there
>tell me? We have 128MB in each now, but would like to increase it.  
>I would rather not take one of the machines down and count the
>simm slots.
>
                         4Meg SIMMs   16Meg SIMMS
ON mother board           128Meg        512Meg
with 1 EXPAN MEM BRD      384Meg      *1536Meg
with 2 EXPAN MEM BRD      640Meg      *2560Meg

Given the current pricing of 16Meg SIMMs heres the recomended 1Gig config: 
32 16Meg SIMMs on mother board 
2 memory expansion boards fully populated with 4Meg SIMMs

*NOTE: Solaris 1.1 (SunOS 4.1.3) has only been tested, and offically only
       supports, 1Giga byte of main memory. If you have the bucks to fully
       populate a system to 2.5Gig more power to you. I would like to hear
       from anyone who has done this.

       For Solaris 2.1 I believe its a similar stiuation, though I think
       there might be a problem at 1Gig. The next release will definitely
       support 1Gig. The demand for configurations above 1Gig does not justify
       the expense of the testing process. 

       From what I understand there are no architectural problems with the OS
       (both Solaris 1.1 and >2.1) supporting >1Gig; it just has'nt been debugged.
       

Hope this is what you wanted.
-Doug

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: Memory capacity of 670MP?
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:51:52 GMT

correction to my previous post.
I failed to mention that 16Mb simms can be used.
So those figures are not accurate.
That will make capacity of expansion pcb up to 1G.
cpu 512 Mb

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone)
Subject: To SQE or not SQE
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:00:53 GMT

 
Case: SUN Sparcstation-2 with thick-net port.
      When I connect it to the thick-net transceiver should I have SQE
      (heartbeat) in or out? Why?

      I have heard you need it in to comply with IEEE802.3 standards. Is
      this true? If so what section is it in?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: orchard@eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu (Bruce Orchard)
Subject: Sun Exabyte 8500 driver wish
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:50:40 CST


Background:

The Exabyte 8-mm tape drive has 1 servo head, 2 write heads, and
2 read heads on its drum.  Each data block includes 1024 bytes of data
and 400 bytes of error correction code.  Each track consists of
8 blocks.  As the tape is written, it is read back and checked.
If the data cannot be read or if the the ECC must be used to 
reconstruct the data, the block is rewritten automatically.
From the 8500 user manual, it appears that the count of the number
of retries is available with the REQUEST SENSE request (03H) in 
bytes 16-18.  Bytes 26 and 27 have other potentially interesting
counters.  

Wish:

That the Exabyte driver log the retry counts and other interesting
counts whenever the drive is closed.  This would provide an indication
that the drive or tape was deteriorating if the number of retries
increased over time.

Note:

We are currently running SunOS 4.1.2.

Bruce Orchard (orchard@engr.wisc.edu)
From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:11:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What is a 'DataCube' Sun-2 board?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware

In comp.sys.sun.hardware, lindh@uhasun.hartford.edu (Andrew Lindh) writes:

> 
> What is a 'DataCube' Sun-2 board?
> Does it deal with Video? If do how? Is it a display board?
> is it a GP? or what?

This data is several years old, but I suspect still somewhat correct.

Datacube markets several image/video hardware devices.
They range from framebuffers, video rates resample/filter boards,
video in boards, and bulk display memories.  In the past these 
have been VMEbus based with point to point "front plane" cabling
for high BW data paths.  They may have S-bus native options now as
well, I don't know.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/60 / Archive QIC-150 boot problems
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:53:48 GMT

lidl@pix.com (Kurt J. Lidl) writes:
> I was told once by a fairly reliable source that all the sun3
> series computers didn't have support for booting off 150meg drives.

Well, I can only answer for myself... but I have booted both 3/50s, 3/60s
and several other Sun-3 systems from Archive QIC-150 tape drives. Yes, it
will complain - but it will also boot!

Steinar Haug, system/networks administrator
SINTEF DELAB, University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Email: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no, 
	sthaug@idt.unit.no, steinar@tosca.er.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sys.sun
From: lindh@uhasun.hartford.edu (Andrew Lindh)
Subject: What is a 'DataCube' Sun-2 board?
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The University of Hartford
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:37:51 GMT


What is a 'DataCube' Sun-2 board?
Does it deal with Video? If do how? Is it a display board?
is it a GP? or what?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jjira@crash.cts.com (James Jira)
Subject: Price for a used Sun 3/50
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:04:39 GMT

What is a good price for a Sun 3/50?
I don't Know the specs or exact configuration right now.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: DES chip
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:05:54 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <Bz44Ax.1Lx@fc.hp.com> subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can obtain a DES chip for a sun workstation?

You can't get the chip from a third party and just drop it in -- there's
a chip or two of control electronics that has to go with it, and as far
as I know, Sun is the only source for that.

Most modern Suns don't even have a socket for it.  I don't think anything
more recent than the early Sun 3s does.

More to the point, why do you want one?  There's no software which uses
it, and it's not particularly fast.  Reportedly, the last nail in its
coffin was the discovery that carefully-built software encryption routines
were faster.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mikeg@Ingres.COM (Mike Glendinning)
Subject: Does anyone produce a modem Sbus card?
Organization: Ingres Corporation
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:46:15 GMT

Does anyone know of a decent modem on an Sbus card?  I'm really
looking for a 9600/14.4k baud device that can be fitted internally
to an IPC.

Any recommendations, good or bad, gratefully received.

-Mike Glendinning, Ingres UK (mikeg@ingres.com).
From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: SCSI-2 on Sun SPARC 10
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:10:52 GMT

wang@cedar.nrl.navy.mil (Dennis Wang) writes:

>Does anyone know of any problems using the SCSI-2 on a SPARC 10 ?  I am getting some
>conflicting stories.

I've got a 1.2GB Micropolis FAST-2 and the SUN 424MB std. SCSI-2.  For a while
we actually had a std. SCSI(Wren VI ?) as well, but that got moved to our
Mac :) (what a slow poke, even if it is a Quadra 950).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: johnn@eskimo.com (John Navitsky)
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:52:36 GMT

Actually, there's something about this whole "I don't want to move to Solaris
2.0" thing that bothers me.  It's not really about the end users either.  It's
about software vendors.  As the one person in a previous post mentioned, he
*had* to stay with 4.x.  To me that means his software vendor did not support
Solaris 2.0, was no longer in business, or perhaps just doesn't want to go
to 2.0.  Well, I have a beef with that.  I think it really stinks that some
software vendors don't make their systems work with new OS's.  If you don't
move forward, you are stuck.  You start to get caught in situations where
Vendor 1's software won't work with a new OS, so that means you stay on that
OS and can't use the new gee-wiz features from Vendor 2 who is staying current
with new OS releases.  I really think the only way to escape this quagmire
is to stay current, and only choose vendors (or force vendors - if you can)
who stay current.  Maybe in some perfect world you could write a program 
once and run it forever.  But hey, I figure if you manage computers, you
have to budget money for hardware upgrades, software upgrades, etc.  After
all, the software companys need something to do!  :-)

Well, maybe I lied up above, maybe I blame the end users, just a little bit.
:-)  I've known about the move to Solaris for quite a while, and while I
knew it wasn't going to be easy, I have actually looked forward to it.

And also, it's not like it doesn't happen.  MS-DOS is at 5.0, VMS is at
(what?) 5.1.x?  And every time, something broke.  But also, every time
something was fixed, something was improved. 
 
# The CPU may be the same but the rest of the system is different. Look if you
# want to run 4.x, go buy an IPX, it's not as if it has been discontinued.

$ But the IPX is more expensive.

> to migrate to Solaris 2.x instead of talking about hacking up hardware.

I think that (just like Cobol and IBM), if you get into a situation where
you are so dependent on you software which is unmaintainable, you just need
to do what you need to to survive, and not expect to benifit from new
technology.  (ie, if you run an IBM 360 with Cobol programs that someone 
threw out the source for, a SPARC10 is of little consolation!  :-)

[Soapbox Off]

Good day all!
 
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