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From: Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Hennick)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:25:19 GMT

> fsjdj1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan26.130740.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
> Posted: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:07:4
>
> Org.  : University of Alaska Fairbanks
>
> In article <wilde-240193172015@sunset.cs.colorado.edu>,
> wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
> > In article <19975@mindlink.bc.ca>, Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca
> (Richard
> > Hennick) wrote:
> > Ob bike.soc: Ever notice that the nastier the weather gets, the
> > nastier a lot of auto driver's attitudes towards cyclists become ?
> > Its almost as if the thought process is one of "Its not fit for
> > a human being to be on a bicycle, therefore the individual on that
> > bike in front of me must be sub-human", or some such..
> >
> > -Nick

I assume my name was left in there by accident.  Please note: I did not write
the quoted text.  Ta.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Tri-bar safety
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:47:13 GMT

In article <16B62A25B.RONEAL@lexmark.com> RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal) writes:

>I have a pair of Scott DH Aerobars.  The first time I rode with them
>it really scared me as I did not have an 'aero brake' and my shifters
>were on the stem.  I bought an extra brake lever and routed the cable
>for by rear brake from the original lever through the second lever and
>then to the rear brake.  Using cable housing stops appropriately, you
>basically get braking action on the main brake as normal (by pulling the
>cable as the lever is pulled); the braking action on the aero brake is
>from the extension of the cable housing.  One advantage of this design is
>the elimination of the second brake cable and the 'block-and-tackle' at
>the brake caliper typically required by other setups.
> 
>The effect however is that the aero brake is much stronger than
>the main brake.  I have not added a similar lever for the front brake as
>this seems to be more than adequate.  Complaints that I have heard are
>lower response from the main lever and cable return being hampered by the

If you reversed the order of the 2 brake levers with respect to threading
the cable through them, would you get stronger braking in the original
lever?  This assumes that such a rerouting of the cable is possible.

Sean
From: armand@camel.West.Sun.COM (Armand Aghabegian)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Do you use a mirror
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:19:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: armand@camel.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: camel

In article FnH@icon.rose.hp.com, kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan) writes:
>The "Hit from Behind" article got me thinking about rear view visibility.
>I'd be interested to know if any of the net readers out there who consider
>themselves "serious" riders use helmet- or glasses-mounted mirrors, and why
>or why not.
>

I don't  wear one since I was never able to focus on the helmet mounted ones and the vibrations
of my aluminum frame are too much to let me see anything in a handlebar mounted one. 

I bought one, tried it, didn't work. So I tossed it in a drawer in my garage along with the rest
of 101 great bicycling innovations I tried before.

Instead I try to train my ears to pickup approaching cars (impossible to do if you're riding on
Vittoria Flash-M tires which hiss like an approaching car), and get into the habit of checking 
over my shoulder frequently. Also as one person mentioned, going downhill at speeds in excess
of 40 mph one is worried more about what's coming ahead.

Armand



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Car intentionally runs down cyclists!
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:29:57 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:53:44 GMT
>FROM:   bob geer <bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com>
>>Scates is charged with murder and is being held without bail.[....]
>>                                      This woman is SICK!!!
>
>Probably means she'll be declared mentally incompetent to stand trial
>& be placed in the loony bin 'til she's declared well, at which time
>she'll be released.  [....]

...and, no doubt, will immediately get a driver's license. After all, 
how's she gonna get to her shrink's office otherwise?

--Michael Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Cycle-bashing alert
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:20:51 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

Cyclists beware! In the groups sci.environment, ca,environment, and 
ba.transportation, a bashfest is going on in which cyclists are the 
guests of honor. A specimen follows:

>DATE:   21 Jan 93 15:26:04 GMT
>FROM:   Jordan Hayes <jordan@IMSI.COM>
>
>Joe Buck <jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu> writes:
>
>	I think it's better to design things so that the main bicycle
>	through-routes aren't the same as the main auto through-routes,
>	so you can time different streets differently.
>
>An excellent point.  But, even with well-designed bike routes, you
>*still* see lots of ("too damn many") bicycles on College Avenue in
>Berkeley during rush hour for instance.  There's a great bike route
>system in the East Bay (particularly Berkeley-Oakland) and there's just
>no excuse for seeing bikes on a street not designed for it.
>
>/jordan

I suggest we all weigh in and give these jerks what-for. The original 
topic was "Signal syncronization."


--Michael Smith

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: fsjdj1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: <None>
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:07:40 GMT

In article <wilde-240193172015@sunset.cs.colorado.edu>, wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
> In article <19975@mindlink.bc.ca>, Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard
> Hennick) wrote:
> Ob bike.soc: Ever notice that the nastier the weather gets, the
> nastier a lot of auto driver's attitudes towards cyclists become ?
> Its almost as if the thought process is one of "Its not fit for 
> a human being to be on a bicycle, therefore the individual on that
> bike in front of me must be sub-human", or some such..
> 
> -Nick

You see a LOT of that here in Alaska.  I'm attending the University of
Fairbanks, and have spent several summers here, and during the summer you
get a lot of,"Oh, look at all the bicyclists!" from the tourists and some
of the locals, but when it gets this time of year it's all,"Look at that idiot! 
That's a traffic hazard!  Get the hell off the road!!!"

Our cold snap is lifting (to -33F) so my roommate decided to start commuting
to work today.  He's never ridden in this weather, and especially in this town
in this weather.  And no matter how much cyclists complain and declare our
right to the road, it matters little when you're caught between a large truck
and a three-foot snow bank.  It should be interesting to hear what he thought
of his first day out.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com (bob geer)
Subject: Re: Car intentionally runs down cyclists!
Reply-To: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:53:44 GMT

TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

>Scates is charged with murder and is being held without bail.  She was also
>accused in 1986 of threatening a neighbor with a pickax and in 1987 was
>arrested for misdemeanor assault in connection with an incident in which she
>apparently tried to run three neighbors off the road with her car.

>                                      This woman is SICK!!!

Probably means she'll be declared mentally incompetent to stand trial
& be placed in the loony bin 'til she's declared well, at which time
she'll be released.  Oh well...
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Crazy and incompetent drivers
Keywords: paradigm, official reality
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:54:02 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1993Jan27.130416.24007@ncsu.edu>, gdsomerv@eos.ncsu.edu (GARTH D
SOMERVILLE) writes:
|> 
|> In article <39562@sophia.inria.fr>, chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
|> writes:
|> 
    [deleted]
|> 
|> Indeed!
|> I am disgusted to say that North Carolina leads the country in
|> alcohol related car accidents.  What I have found curious living
|> in the land of Jesse Helmes' fans is that there is constant
|> discussion of how pornography should be made illegal because in
|> some cases it can lead to rape and child molestation.  But I have
|> never heard, or found any support at all, for a parallel 
|> argument that since alcohol clearly causes many deaths each year
|> due to drunk driving, it too should be outlawed.
|> 


This is certainly important. But it would still not save the
30,000 americans killed every year in road accidents not
caused by reckless driving. Let us face it, road transport is
the unsafest form of locomotion ever invented. Let us say you (generic)
are going for a 2 hr drive in your car. You manage to remain
alert and attentive for 99.9% of the time, and suffer a lapse
of concentration during the remaining 0.1% (=7.2 seconds). The
chances are that you'll end up in a major accident. We all know
what can (and will) happen if we shut our eyes for 7 seconds
while driving on a freeway at 65 mph.

The point is that driving is too dependent on the alertness
and concentration of the driver *during every single instant*.
There is very little room for error. In engineering terms, it is
a system with extremely low error tolerance. 
It is no use blaming the individual drivers for making errors
of judgement which lead to accidents. To err is human.
Any system that turns deadly in the face of human error is
an abomination, and should not be allowed in civilized society.

But unfortunately, the automobile has become such an integral
part of the "dominant paradigm" that apart from destroying
lives, it also takes up 2/3 of the area (estimated) in most
major cities in the US. A sad state of affairs.

Chandy


Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.soc:1534 rec.bicycles.misc:2123
From: m_thiba@pavo.concordia.ca (MICHAEL)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: "Submissions Sought"
Keywords: it's between your legs, of course
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:52:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am, of course, re-posting this to waste bandwidth and your time...
but what a lovely time it is.

Le Monde a Bicyclette - a Montreal-based, not-for-profit quarterly
publication oriented towards urban cycling, transport, and the 
environment - seeks submissions for its upcoming spring issue on 
all aspects of urban cycling and, to a lesser extent, urban transport.

If you would like to make a contribution, you are more than welcome.
Credit, of course, will be given; remuneration, unfortunately, can not.
Le Monde a Bicyclette would appreciate digests and articles, and 
anything else, on contributor-specified topics which would be of 
interest to cyclists everywhere.  Please include, if possible,
sufficient information to allow Le Monde a Bicyclette to verify the
content before publication.

Le Monde a Bicyclette intends to post the complete text of each issue 
on this service on the day of the journal's appearance here in 
Montreal.  LMaB can be contacted through this account or, preferably,
at:
		1-514-844-2713 ;

		1-514-844-6622 fax 10h30-15h30 weekdays;

or at	C.P. 1242 Succ. la Cite
	Montreal, Quebec
	Canada
	H2W 2R3

Thanks in advance.

heighteightsighthighstheseeighthisthisgisttighttheshitthesigthethesigeh
Language hobbles the brain.
                                                       Michael Thibault
Language hobbles the brain.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: The Bird (was: Dilemma)
Date: 29 Jan 93 13:42:23 +1300
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <27JAN199316191801@pavo.concordia.ca>, m_thiba@pavo.concordia.ca (MICHAEL) writes:
> On the subject of a laugh response...Sure, but can you do it genuinely?
> Yes, a good laugh can be a very sharp political knife, but too often it 
> comes out phoney...in which case, you're just a victim of your times and
> their fashions.  Why waste a good blade? 
> 
> The power of such insults, it seems to me, lies in a shared agreement 
> between sender and receiver that "it's insulting"; if you aren't complicit,
> and you can make that clear, the bubble bursts.  
>                                                        Michael Thibault


This is so true.  Insults will only make the insulter feel good if s/he thinks
that the insult has hurt the target in some way.  All you have to do is smile
back and think about how silly they are and they'll get even more annoyed -
making themselves angrier in the process.  "Who me officer? I just smiled at
that pick-up driver!"

Jonathan Dodd,
NZ

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Subject: Calling Hewlett-Packard bike commuters!
Followup-To: sender
Summary: Help create a corporate bike commuting program
Organization: Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition (SVBC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:08:43 GMT

Hewlett-Packard corporation is creating a bike commuting 
encouragement/incentives program.  The staff person coordinating
this effort at corporate headquarters would welcome input and
assistance from any bike commuters employed by Hewlett-Packard.

Please contact Diana McGrogan at HP Corporate Headquarters in
Palo Alto, especially if you work at a Bay Area HP facility.
Diana's number is 415-857-3031.

/John

-- 
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jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com  Mountain View CA USA 94039-7900 |  ='\<,    ='\<,
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=== "If you live within 7 miles of your job, why drive?" === BIKE TO WORK ==
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: The Meek Shall Inherit tire tracks over their belly buttons
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1993Jan20.194706.22870@wdl.loral.com>
	<casseres-210193102647@missmolly.apple.com>
	<1993Jan21.214921.713@speedy.aero.org> <48974@ogicse.ogi.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:37:16 GMT

I'm alternatately amazed or amused by people who express fear about
being run over from behind and then reach illogical conclusions such
as the following.
> The point is anytime you get in an arguement (or exchange of
> gestures) with someone you don't know you take the risk that that
> person may react in an outrageous manner. If you're on a bike in
> traffic that reaction can have very serious consequences. 

In fact, I believe that acting assertively or even nastily increases
your chances of survival.  I've flipped off many hundreds of
motorheads in my life and have been hit by a few vehicles, but never
once by anyone I've flipped off.  This can be interpreted as
statistical proof that flipping off motorists reduces your chances of
injury.  {:-}

There are some situations in which "being nice" puts you in deeper
trouble.  Riding past two lane freeway entrances is one such case.
There is such a place near where I live (for locals, Page Mill Road at
I-280) where during rush hours there is a solid double line of cars
going into the entrance at about 50 mph.  It can be avoided by taking
a 5 mile detour, but I choose to wait for a small gap, then signal a
left turn and take the first lane.

The following driver almost always leans on his or her horn when I do
this, so as to express dismay at being delayed for 10 seconds or so.
I then modify my left turn signal into a single-finger salute to
indicate where they should blow their horn.  As soon as there is a gap
in the next lane I repeat the process there.  Sometimes the drivers
augment their inadequate horns by shouting out the window, which I
acknowledge with a nasty smile and a wave.

I expect that these drivers tell their friends at cocktail parties
about the "unsafe" cyclists who get in their way.  Tough shit.

--
Les Earnest           Phone:  415 941-3984    Fax: 415 941-3934
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: mrum@pyrolab.Berkeley.EDU (Marc Rumminger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: I-80 Widening Protest
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:31:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrolab.berkeley.edu

i'm just posting this to inform.  i'm not involved in the
planning of the event, although i plan to take part.

The EAST BAY EXPRESS has an article about an "antifreeway
bike-in" planned for this saturday (1/23).  It is an event
of civil disobediance protesting the $300 million expansion
of I-80 between the Carquinez Strait and the Bay Bridge.
The organizers, the Bicyclists United for Environmental 
Revolution among others, are protesting the lack of attention
that CalTrans (or is it CARtrans?) is giving to non-automobile
solutions, like bicycles, buses, trains or ferries.

from the EXPRESS:  "On Saturday, the bicyclists will assemble
at People's Park [near Haste and Bowditch in Berkeley] at 
noon.  They will ride toward I-80, and when they get near 
the freeway, they will break into two groups.  One group will
stay on the Frontage Road, where bicycles are allowed, while 
the other will head up an entrance ramp and onto the freeway."

maybe someone with a scanner can scan in the entire article 
and repost with a wider distribution.

anyone interested in protesting the current transportation 
situation should consider attending. 


-------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Rumminger                mrum@pyrolab.berkeley.edu 
Combustion Research Lab       UC Berkeley
"This [.sig] is a travesty; it's a travesty of a mockery of a
sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: Re: Tri-bar safety
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:24:03 GMT

Two quick answers:
- You can draft with aerobars, but only if you trust the guy ahead of you.
- Aerobars accentuate any shimmying a bike has, but shifting with one hand
still on the bars shouldn't allow shimmying unless the bike is really bad
or the rider is unsteady (i.e., the rider's wobbling, not the bike).

And a comment:
Aerobars get bad press because a lot of people haven't taken the time to
get comfortable on them.  Once you've mastered them, they're pretty safe.
You can steer just fine, but it's a bit twitchy, so a little movement goes
a long way.  You can take a hand off to shift, get a water bottle, get
something out of your pocket, etc -- if you have problems doing that,
you're probably not relaxed enough.  Getting to the brakes takes a sec,
but it does also if you're riding with your hands on the tops of your bars
(and it works just fine to brake with one hand while your other one stays
on the aerobars).

				Rich
				rw@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Car intentionally runs down cyclists!
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:18:24 GMT
 <1993Jan21.042407.7082@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Scates is charged with murder and is being held without bail.  She was also
accused in 1986 of threatening a neighbor with a pickax and in 1987 was
arrested for misdemeanor assault in connection with an incident in which she
apparently tried to run three neighbors off the road with her car.

                                      This woman is SICK!!!
From: m_thiba@pavo.concordia.ca (MICHAEL)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: "Australia's Bicycle Helmet Law"
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:49:00 GMT

mandatory legislation passed in Australia in the last few years.
She's preparing an article to address a proposed change in the 
Quebec codes to require bicycle helmets on all cycle-heads.  Much appreciated 
would be the numbers and their source(s)e; she's a very serious
person.   Thanksmuch, in advance.
Organization: Concordia University
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Language hobbles the brain.
                                                       Michael Thibault
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 1993 08:55:58 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Car intentionally runs down cyclists!

My wife was driving me home from work in the car the other day.  We were making
a left turn at the siginal light, when out came from nowhere a biker shooting
across making the same left turn.  The car in back of us honked his horn and
the biker, thinking it was us gave me that "F,U-LOOK" and out came the biggest
middle finger I have ever seen.  It looked like a giant Condor soaring high in
the evening sun.  I was shocked at first, then I started laughing, I laughed
so hard my side started hurting.  The lesson I learned for this is not to use
my middle finger while on a bicycle, because not of the dangers it may encounte
r with motorist, but how stupid it looks in public!

                                                   -tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: The "right to drive" (was Re: Car intentionally runs down cyclists!)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:31:07 GMT

In article <19975@mindlink.bc.ca>, Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard
Hennick) wrote:
> 
> And I hope this case will compel a review of the "right to drive" in the
> States.  (It's in the Constitution, isn't it?)

Can't speak for the entire US, but around here, it might as well be
in the constitution. We just recently had a blow-up on one of the
local newsgroups dealing with the "right to drive" (in connection
with DUI and DWI laws) - judging from the responses, a significant
group of people around here sincerely believe its their god-given
right to drive an automobile. 

I realize Usenet news postings are about as accurate a barometer
of public opinion as 1-900 numbers, but it was still pretty scary,
nonetheless.

Ob bike.soc: Ever notice that the nastier the weather gets, the
nastier a lot of auto driver's attitudes towards cyclists become ?
Its almost as if the thought process is one of "Its not fit for 
a human being to be on a bicycle, therefore the individual on that
bike in front of me must be sub-human", or some such..

-Nick

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