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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
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Subject: Re: Law of Supply and Demand
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:01:49 GMT
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"Don Moore974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813974-4078 S/C 574-4078") writes:
> The item that upset me:  the price of lumber has greatly esculated
> ...the cost of a 2x4 plywood sheet, for example, was $9 before Andrew
> - now it is $16! The Law of Greed seems to pervail in some people's
> hearts.  The modern day carpetbaggers are with us.

But are you correct in assuming the lumber yards are making tremendous
profits due to Andrew?

Let's assume the lumber yard normally pays $5 for that $9 plywood
sheet.  It always had a few hundred in stock, and received shipments
of 1K a week.  Unless they were stupid they were selling about 1K
a week.  Now the hurricane blows by and suddenly they need 10K this
week.  Where do they get the other 9K sheets?

Perhaps there are 9 lumber yards in Atlanta that have 1K
sheets in stock, and pay the same amount for wood.  If they
sell their plywood to your Tampa store for $5 they lose the $4 they
would have made selling their wood locally.  They want the full $9
they would otherwise get, so this is what your Tampa store pays.

The Tampa store has to pay to move the lumber down to Florida and
has to pay for the extra salespeople (or overtime) to sell it.
They probably can't afford to lose money selling this wood.  So
they have to cover their expenses.  Perhaps $7 over the $9 they
had to pay for this extra wood?  Could be.  In any case it is
very unlikely that the lumber yards are making quite as much money
as you think.

This will all be a short-term effect, of course.  With price
increases like these the lumber mills can afford the incremental cost
of ramping up production, increasing supply and eventually lowering
prices.

If the prices were somehow fixed the lumber mills wouldn't be able 
to afford this and lumber would remain in short supply.

(I've simplified things a bit, but this should illustrate the
 general ideas.)

--karsten

(The "miracle" of capitalism!)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:29:22 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: It finally worked!
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              31 Aug 1992 05:27:20 CDT from
              <MAYNOR%MSSTATE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:27:20 CDT <MAYNOR%MSSTATE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> said:
>noticeably.  But it also means that those people listed when you send
>the 'review' command will be real people, not ghosts.

interesting....will be fun to see what it goes from and to....what is it
today?  i know i could check, but figure someone else already knows.

gee, do you think the usenet gateway will be smart enough to renew itself? 8-)

dan
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:04:47 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration

About consonant clusters:

>             (because s is the only consonant that can cluster w/ ptk),
                       ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~
I suppose /l/ and /r/ are not to be considered consonants, just like /m/
and /n/. Still, what about words like aptly, active, etc? I'd say /pt/ is
a consonant cluster. Or the word "octonion", for instance, which even has
a consonant cluster before an Accented vowel.


>The problem that you might be having is that you are hearing a lot
>of nonphonemic, phonetic aspiration in what seems to you like it
>should have no aspiration at all.

Of course that is the problem. What else can it possibly be? As I said
(and as Natalie said) I wasn't even aware of PHONEMIC aspiration. What's
an English example?

tushar
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:44:25 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      English aspiration
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Posted on 29 Aug 1992 at 19:04:47 by Tushar Samant
> That's what one means by asp/unasp. There can't be anything which can be
> called "unaspirated". As you aspirate less and less you voice more and
> more.

Patently untrue; where did you get this idea from?

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:02:00 EDT
From:         Ruby G <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Ubi?
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Has anyone seen my master?  He flew past me a few moments
ago sobbing and shouting no one loves me they are all being mean
to mean what did I do what did I so?  Where has he gone?
I guess I'll just log off for him and wait for him to come home
with some more Purina Shrimp and Whitefish Dinner.  Goodnight
Bernard, xxxxx.
--Ruby
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:41:21 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Bumper Stickers
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> ...... but I love him/her anyway"....  I *hate*, I mean I really
> *hate* snobbish behavior....  I *hate*, incidentally, PRIVATE
> education for kids...  I understand the reason it exists, but
> I disagree with it and the next car I see with one of those

On a serious note -
 To tell the truth, I never really thought too much about this subject. I
see those bumper stickers all over the place and truly see it as parental
pride; I had never equated it with snobbish behavior.  One reason may be
related to where I live and teach. Our school is very active in something
called the Rennaisance movement, which is, I believe, the name of the
national organization. Our local affiliation is called ABC - Academic
Booster Club. Its purpose is to put the same kind of emphasis on academic
achievement as on athletic achievement.  Growing up in Texas, --ggs, I'm
sure you know what I mean.  The ABC supports many activities and involves
the community also.  One example is MacDonald's. They provide coupons (I
can't remember what we call them offhand) for a free hamburger and coke to
the bearer.  These coupons are given to the teachers (10 or 12 each
grading period) who in turn validate them and give them to students who
have excelled in some way.  I gave one to a kid in my first period class
one time for being on time for a week in a row, another went to a girl who
had had some tragedies in her life for having such a sweet smile.

The ABC has gold, silver, and bronze cards that are given to students at
the end of each grading period. These cards are good for discounts at area
businesses.  Gold for all A's, silver for grades no lower than B, and
bronze for those who have managed to raise their grades a certain number
of points (I don't remember how many). It is harder for most kids to earn
the bronze than the gold and silver and we have had some success stories
there.

I didn't mean to go on for so long, but it is that kind of mind-set I have
in regard to the bumper stickers for grades instead of always for athletics.
But you do have a point.
Doris
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:17:49 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Signs of Andrew

In the wake of the destruction by Andrew, fellow staff member, who went
this past weekend to help brothers/sisters wiped out by Andrew, reported
these two signs painted on houses:

           "Looters welcome ...we need the target practice".

           "You loot, we shoot"

He said many people are armed.  Also related tale about brother's neighbor,
81, killed in storm, and seeing people step over her body to take whatever
they could find.  But, fortunately, far more stories of people helping
each other.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From: ddailey@williams.edu
Subject: Alphabetic Aphorisms
Reply-To: ddailey@williams.edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:12:32 GMT

Alphabetic Aphorisms

copyright David Dailey, 1986. Feel free to re-distribute, but, please maintain
attribution of authorship -- the author.

Suggestions for replacements for any of the following are welcome.
(ddailey@williams.edu)

The four criteria in effect are:

1. The words should form an understandable sentence.
2. The sentence should be true in the majority of possible worlds (i.e., should
be aphorisms).
3. The words chosen should be as common within the language (English, in this
case) as possible.
4.  Each word of a sentence should begin with the same letter.

Apology: not all of the following  aphorisms obey all four criteria.

A  -  An amusing analysis actually alleviates anxiety.
B  -  By building barriers, beliefs become betrayed.
C  -  Casual candor can create catastrophes.
D  -  Dangerous dealings demand discretion.
E  -  Every earnest endeavor eliminates emptiness.
F  -  Fanciful feuds follow from familiar foundations.
G  -  Grand goals gather glorious gains.
H  -  Hurrying hastens heartache.
I  -  In ignoring imagination, industry is intolerant.
J  -  Jaded judgments justify jealous jabbering.
K  -  Kindness keeps knowledge's keys.
L  -  Laziness leaves little latitude.
M  -  Mentioning mistakes may make more misunderstandings.
N  -  Not noticing new nuances neglects nature's novelty.
O  -  Overlooking old obstacles often obscures opportunity.
P  -  Pompous policies poison potential partnerships.
Q  -  Quiet quests quicken queasiness.
R  -  Reason rarely regulates real randomness.
S  -  Suspicion seldom satisfies sensuality.
T  -  Trying to trivialize tenderness, the technocrat tarnishes the truth.
U  -  Utter ugliness unfolds under unjustness.
V  -  Violence voices very vacuous virtue.
W  -  While we welcome wisdom, we want warmth.
X  -  Xenophobia xeroxes Xanadu?
Y  -  Yesterday's yearnings yielded your youth.
Z  -  Zaniness zaps zealotry.


Author's note: I'm not particularly happy with 'g' , 'm',  and, of course, 'x'
-- but what is one to do?
 
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:24:28 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Brother Barbara
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My sorority was officially named "fraternity."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:47:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: mohawk
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> >appended to the stories.  The part I <think> I remember has to do with
> >posessives: there's a different one for something that's <part> of you,
> >like your arm, and for something not intrinsically your self, like your
> >pots and pans.
>
> This doesn't sound that odd to me...I think perhaps Malayo-Polynesian
> lgs. do this, but I frankly can't remember.  The pattern sound tantalizingly
> familiar, just out of reach of my feeble brain.
> Karen

Something similar to this exists in Spanish, the tendency *not* to use
the possessive for body parts or things very closely associated with
or touching the body.  The theorists of Spanish generally think of it
as a sort of "obvious possessive" but I think it is a kind of mindset.
.
<Tengo una manzana en *la* cabeza>I have an apple on my head.
<Me toco' *el codo*, Mama'>He touched my elbow, Mammaaaaa!
<No encuentro *mis* libros, joder> I can't find my books, sh*t.
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:51:32 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: OOOOPPPS (was: Thank You...)

>> Some people will do anything for a little attention.
>
>I *know*, I *know*....  Agnes, for example, climbing into the
>sewer in a last <ditch> effort to get someone to notice her before
><expiring>....
>--ggs

Don't make it too bloody obvious.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Public vs. Private Schools
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:38:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood) says:

>> them, mostly for religious reasons.  From what I've read, home-schooled kids
>> tend to test ahead [academically] of public school kids the same age.
>>
>I think home-schooled kids have a definite advantage because (1) they
>have parents who care about their academics, and (2) they have at least one
>parent who spends time with them and *talks* to them.  Unfortunately, this
>is not the case for many young people.
Too true, and "day care" facilities aren't exactly known for their one-on-one
approach. :-(  My mother taught me to read, probably while I was in
Kindergarten.  She more or less had to, after I started teaching myself.<grin>
I know one girl who never did go to an American high school; she grew up in
Ghana - her parents were missionaries.  All of her high school classes were
by correspondance.  They came back to the states for her junior and senior
years, and she tried a smaller private high school, but couldn't handle
the bells and the "crowds".  In the end, she probably got a better education
than the kids who went through the "system".

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:55:31 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: You are NEVER safe
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              26 Aug 1992 16:10:09 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:10:09 CDT Bandwidth Pig said:
>I got a rash of care packages from him last week, which he said he was going to
>send me just before he left. They were ultraballisticonservative magazines. And
>yes, he did charge the postage to NIU, just as a little goodbye slap to the
>place he loved so dearly.

Same for me....got several big envelopes of all sorts of neat postcards...
some of which will be recycled to wordslers...and some won't.

More postcards WILL arrive to wordslers soon...and if anyone has changed
mailing addresses since you last sent them to me.....please advise
to list or privately.


dan
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:31:46 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Brad's quote
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  I've been trying to make sense of

  >Logic is like a lantern; it only shines so far in the dark.
  >                 --Herzog Ernst, Doyen of Darkness (friend of mine)

  It's time for Nunchaku Drill! Brad, what does this mean?
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:45:08 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Getting Stranger
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I'll call Bernard and tell him to investigate...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:33:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Subject Header (was Re: Note to Bernard)
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> >I feel compelled to change this subject header.
> >                        o/.\____/
> >         -- Bernard      \______|
> >                         / \  / \
>
> I must say I am glad that this mutt has stopped complicating the issue, even
> though only out of cowardice.

Cowardice?  COWARDICE??  It's a good thing Bernardykins is still asleep.
He would be most upset by this message.  I'll delete it so that he won't
see it when he gets up and starts reading mail.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:52:49 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Brother Barbara
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              Kaczmarczik" at Sep 2, 92 12:46 pm

 Susan writes:

> Mine too.  Or, perhaps more accurately, my Greek professional women's
> organization is properly referred to as a fraternity, not a sorority.

What's a professional women's organization?

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:33:00 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TGTABagnes2

>Uh, 'scuse me?

Me too!

>On Wed, 26 Aug 1992, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:00:53 -0500
>> From: Nancy Harwood
>> Subject: Re: TGTABagnes2
>> To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>>
>> Well, then, you would have every right to ask what *they* are doing there?
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 1992, Doris Smith wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:50:58 -0500
>> > From: Doris Smith
>> > Subject: Re: TGTABagnes2
>> > To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
>> >
>> > > And just in case you want to know in more detail, yes, I practically
>> > > expired with mirth. I was saved because I am very reserved.
>> >
>> > 7Tushar!! Your're back. Not only that, but you reacted the way I did. And
>> > I, too, am *quite* reserved.
>> > Doris
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:30:22 EDT
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      t-shirts

  I'd definately go for a shirt, anything but yellow or fluorescents.


  Theresa
  twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:36:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Node Contest III
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How about:

slop
truffle
snuffle  (isn't that what pigs do?...or most of them, anyway)
wilbur  (from _Charlotte's Web_)

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:11:34 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: FTP???
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> Alt-K, then 1 for GET, although I usually have to get kermit
> running in server mode on the host first and haven't the foggiest
> about how to get an FTP site running in kermit server mode--
> unless you type kermit and then server.

I think he was talking about after the file was on his mainframe, not
while he was at the remote site via ftp.  To get something directly to
his computer from the remote site, he would need to be ftp'ing directly
from his computer.

Before telling Procomm (to use Mka's example above) what to do, he needs
to tell his mainframe what he wants to do.  That reminds me of a colleague
yesterday who couldn't figure out why she couldn't get a file from Ra to
her PC.  She told me with great exasperation that she kept using Procomm's
PgDn to download the file, but that it just wouldn't work.  I discovered
that she was expecting Ra to magically know what she was telling Procomm.
In the case of our system, what she was leaving out was telling Ra
'sx -b filename' (for a binary xmodem download) before telling Procomm
what to do with the file.  Actually, it was an upload, now that I think
about it.  But the principle is the same.  She wasn't telling Ra 'rx -b
filename'.  I left her pondering the mysteries of how Ra couldn't figure
it all out from what she was telling Procomm.

Why does everybody keep recommending kermit??  I find kermit horribly
slow and klunky.  Or I did the last time I used it, which was admittedly
a *long* time ago since I much prefer xmodem and zmodem.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:27:51 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: mohawk
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Posted on 31 Aug 1992 at 22:02:57 by Bayla Singer
>appended to the stories.  The part I <think> I remember has to do with
>posessives: there's a different one for something that's <part> of you,
>like your arm, and for something not intrinsically your self, like your
>pots and pans.

This doesn't sound that odd to me...I think perhaps Malayo-Polynesian
lgs. do this, but I frankly can't remember.  The pattern sound tantalizingly
familiar, just out of reach of my feeble brain.

>fascinating.  Of course, there *are* those (you know who you are, and I'm
>sure I'll be hearing from you) who insist that language and mindset have no
>relation to each other.... :-)

Not me, man! I spent hours today talking about kinesthetic memory and the
importance of mindset in language acquisition.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:29:03 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Words-l All-Amazon Task Force
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> >If I make them Natalie, rest assured they won't be purple.
>
> Well, then propose a better color.

yellow
navy
turquoise
red
green
orange
beige
brown
black
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:33:00 EST
From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Neal
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>I'm glad Neal is back.  I missed him!
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

	*Blush*

	Been here all along, just doing a whole lot more listening than
	talking.  I'm *trying* to keep the e-habit under control...

neal
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:10:28 -0400
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: RE: Ubi Sunt?
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ggs says:

>Hi Joan.  Ruby didn't know how to logoff, so I'm still here sniff sniff.

Morris & Simon say you can always disconnect the modem -- they're still
too tired from their dinner of fresh salmon tonight.  I got no greeting
when I came in from consort playing -- most unusual.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:09:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What about Henry?
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>
> Henry is the one single case that I sometimes find myself thinking
> that, on some extremely rare occasions, it may be necessary to impose
> the death penalty, at least until we can devise a more human system of
> justice.  Jim (increasingly cynical) Thomas

Stick to your convictions, jim.....  there is *never* a justification
for the *state* to take a human life.  *EVER*!!!
--ggs (very very sure about this one.....  no matter how many
<bull-sh*t> responses come over the wires..... very sure about this
one....)
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