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From: eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:44:43 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <aiF5RB3w165w@willard.UUCP>, dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
> 
>> I've been going to Nationals for the last 11 years; I've decided to not atten
>> the championshiops at Jackson.
>> 
>> I'm not attending partially because of Jackson's weather and partially to
>> alert DCI that their grand experiment with the championshiop city rotation
>> has some serious flaws.
>> 
>> Are there others who go to championships annually who will be skipping
>> Jackson? Does anyone know where the all-top-25 show will be held 3 weeks
>> before Nationals?
>> 
>> --phil
> 
> I'm sure there are other bigoted, self-centered persons such as yourself
> who will be skipping Jackson.  I'm NOT one of those.  Take your "alert"
> to the proper channel.. mail, call, and otherwise harrass DCI.  I'm tired
> of this thread on why drum corps should be exorcised from the South, just
> because some "panty-waists" can't stand a little perspiration.
> 
I agree with Phil, and I will not be attending the championships this year.  I
personally can't enjoy drum corps in the stadiums that have been selected as of
late (Dallas and Madison).  Of course, I am slightly spoiled by Arrowhead
stadium here in Kansas City, Missouri.  I also take offense to the
"self-centered" remark.  If anyone is self-centered it is you who is a
bigotted, self-centered ...  To take a point of discussion so personally is
about the most unbelievable thing I have seen in this group.  I had given drum
corps fans more credit than that.

This has nothing to do with the South.  It is simply a matter of getting DCI
to be aware that this whole "100,000 seats in stadium A are better than 60,000
in stadium B" mentality that DCI has used in selecting stadiums.  Personally,
I believe that the championship should be moved around, but only to
Championship caliber stadiums.  The Atlanta Falcons are playing in a new
stadium I believe; assuming that it has real seats with armrests, I would think
that it would be a good site.  Also, you have no right to whine to us
considering that DCI has yet to go to the West.  If you really want to argue
about unfair treatment of a region, take up their cause.


[stuff deleted about having ears like H. Ross Perot tied on or something...]

> 
> Maybe I'll just not go, and say that it's because of all those.  Do you
> think I'd be missed?  Hardly.
> 

I think that I can safely speak for all of the fans...  No, you won't be 
missed.
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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: other drumcorps boards
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 20:54:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


Let me take this opportunity to plug the drumcorps bulletin board on
Prodigy, for those of you that might have Prodigy but don't know about it.

It is currently located on the art bulletin board under Alternative Music.
Apparently this will change next month... the traffic has been so great that
Prodigy is creating a separate drumcorps topic under arts (possibly under
music... don't know yet).  

I mention this because a lot of notable individuals post there:
George Hopkins, Bill Cook, Steve Rondinaro, to name a few.

                                    Scott

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From: cadets@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (William Michael Putman)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:44:20 GMT

In article <splooie.718341980@cs1.bradley.edu> splooie@cs1.bradley.edu  
(Romeo Casiple) writes:
> In <1992Oct5.135626.15739@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@blitzen.uucp  
(26129-vandewater) writes:
  Sorry for my references to
> one corps all the time, but the case in point here is this years'  
Cavaliers
> show after the 8 count silence & rifle toss in "Peterloo:
> 
> 1.    X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
>       X  X       x      X  X
>       X  X      xx      X  X 
>       X  X    xxxxxx    X  X 
>       X  X      xx      X  X
>       X  X      x       x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x 
> 
> 2.    x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>       x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
> 
> 3.   x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>        x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>      x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x 
>        x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>      x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x 
>        x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x
>      x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x 
>        x  x  x  x  x  x  x  x

First off, this move wouldn't work for corps who guide to their fellow  
members, and try to keep the form, because as you see if you rotate the  
block and keep it a block, they will run into the members of the rows and  
files surrounding the rotating block.

 
>> I hope you know what I mean.. if your one of the guys in that rotating  
thing
> in the middle, who are you going to guide to?  

That's right that "rotating thing", you don't see anything until it hits  
the next block,  then it's junk again, then another block.  Look at the  
video.


  And if you 
> follow the guy in front of you, you will be in for a big collission  
because
> your horizontal line will be moving the opposite direction then that guy
> in front of you.  Following anybody in this form would be hopeless.. and
> also dangerous.


And the idea is not to follow the guy in front of you, it is to guide to  
the guy in your row, file, and eschelan(?sp).  

I guess that is why I'm not to fond of the Cavies drill, it's not  
necessarilly the drill I don't like, it's the marching technique.

Bill
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Straw Poll being taken to determine group name
Summary: There is no straw poll; please ignore the previous posting
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:01:16 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.204619.5287@oclc.org> hch@fssun09.dev.oclc.org (Curtis Hunter) writes:
>  I have just posted a straw poll form on news.groups to get peoples ideas
>about what the name for the new rec group should be [...]

There is no straw poll being run at this time.

We are in the process of discussing group names for a rec group within
news.groups. If you are interested in participating in the discussion, please
join us there.

Voting for a new group will be held later this month. Notice will be
posted here when the voting period starts. Stay tuned.

--phil
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Subject: Re: Name that riff
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 3 Oct 1992 17:33:25 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <pm860605.5.718047184@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu>,
pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) says:
>
>In article <92274.125711MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>Subject: Name that riff
>>From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
>>Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 12:57:11 EDT
>>1.
>>
>>   4/4                                accel--------
>>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>>  | >                       >   >   | >       > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
>>
>>
>>  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
>>  | >       > >     > >   > >   >   | > >     > >   >   >   > >   >   |
>>  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
>
>Spirit of Atlanta 1980 from drum solo "Devil Went Down to Georgia".
 
Right, Peter!!!!
 
Mike Hughes
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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Jackson Stadium and 1993 show designs.
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:46:40 GMT
Summary: Jackson Stadium - will affect show designs this year

A friend of mine told me about Jackson stadium.  It is all one
tier, unlike Madison with 3 tiers.  He said also that the stadium
tends to lay back more, as opposed to going up in height.  Thus,
the pressbox is quite far away from the field and not all that
high (Jackson holds about 8,000 less than Madison).

Thus, I expect the 93 drills to be a bit more open and spread out...
a cluttered drill will not work from the Jackson pressbox.

Comments?

Tom
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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1992 DCI videos are out/review
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:42:12 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
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MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
: I have my stereo VCR hooked up through a fairly high end system, so my
: critique is about the hi-fi tracks.  I agree that the sound approaches
: the quality of the CDs (and in some regards surpasses them, ref. my earlier
: posts on CD audio quality), and also agree that the CDs are worthy of
: acquisition due to the durability of the medium.
:  
: Mike Hughes

There are stereo VCR's and there are HI-FI Stereo VCR's  the latter have  
two extra heads for audio over the normal stereo VCR's and superior
sound reproduction.  I've always said sound is 90% of drum corps.

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From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:56:26 GMT
Summary: Drill design - use the other marchers with the field

In article <splooie.717820599@camelot>, splooie@camelot.bradley.edu (Romeo Casiple) writes:
> The coordiate system and straight path system is really good in that each
> member never needs to guide off of any other member.  He is only responsible
> for landing on his coordinate.  The belief here is that if the other guy
> is wrong, you will be wrong too if you attempt to hit your set in relation
> with him.  You will be right more often if you try to hit your set in 
> relation with the field & it's markings (hashes, numbers, X's) because the
> field is NEVER wrong.  It is fixed.  

I TOTALLY disagree and think you are 100% wrong in your statement above.
As a marcher, your goal of a good show should not be to hit your set 
throughout the show but to keep the form in relation to the other marchers.
  
For example, assume there's a company front and the entire corps dresses
toward the guy (or gal) on the 50.  If he is two steps off, do you leave
them out of the form and each member look for his spot on the field?
Absolutely not...you dress in relation to the other marchers..so that
move will have a straight company front but two steps off of where it should
have been (and who will know anyway?)  You use both the field and 
more importantly how you relate to the other marchers...the coordinate
system is a guide to where you should be, not an absolute.

As example from my marching days..when I was in Garfield in 83 there
was a show during Bernstein's the mass in which we formed a horseshoe
around the guard while they danced.  Well, I was the second one in from
the end ... graphically, I was the T in the picture below

                ****
             *      *
            *       *
           *       *
          *-------T
         *-------R     

OK, so now the point to this mess...at one show, for some reason, R (another
mellophone) froze while we were supposed to surround the guard and he ended up
IN the guard form.  I had two choices...leave him there like an idiot
or keep the form but also be in the guard.  I kept the form and
the staff told me that was the right thing to do.  SO, the two choices were:

                ****			
             *      *
            *       *
           *       *    OR
          *------T-
         *-----R--     
     
                ****
             *      *
            *       *
           *       *
          *-------T
         *----R---     

According to your "get to your mark" way to march, I should have chosen
the second one, which would have really thrown off R for awhile...but,
we adapted and fixed things within a couple of sets by my choice of
the top.  (I had to exaggerate the pictures, but you get the idea, right?)

SO, what do you netters think?  Do you keep the form or get to your
spot (which kinda makes drum corps an individual activity and not 
a group -- or for Kurt Gowdy -- a TEAM activity).

Any thoughts?
Tom
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From: steveg@mks.com (Steve Gingerich)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:40:48 GMT

>> 
>BBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZ  Sorry, wrong answer... thanks for playing.  The two
>Southern sites are easy to remember... Jackson and Jacksonville Fl.  Madison
>is not a site, nor is the glorious city of Kansas City, Missouri.  Site number
>three is Lansing Mi I believe and the fourth site hasn't been selected yet, 
>but the favorites right now are Buffalo and Boston.  I'm sure you're asking
>yourself the same question right now that I did when I heard the final
>selections:  Why oh why aren't the permanent sites in NFL quality football 
>stadiums?  Simple... DCI demanded that they get the stadiums for free (along
>with other requirements); thus, the "cost" of going to other sites was too
>high.
>

Does anyone have the site list for the next 5 years ?

-- 
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From: hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter)
Subject: Re: What should we call the rec.drumcorps group?
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:23:32 GMT

In article <urcat.717533877@mcl> urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.173727.2934@oclc.org> hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter) writes:
>
>>>+>> I prefer to call the group rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  
>>>+>> 
>>>+>Yes, I like the simple rec.arts.drumcorps, or simply rec.drumcorps.
>>>+>
>>     I think a shorter name would be good.  If you look at the rec.*
>> groups you don't see rec.arts.music.* you see rec.music.  Is there any
>> reason .arts should be kept in the name?  By dropping the .arts, the name
>> would be shortened and would also more closely follow the rec.* naming
>> conventions.
>
>Chris has a good point.  A choice along the lines of rec.music.* might
>be a good idea.  rec.music.drumcorps  anyone?  
>
  I'm not suggesting a name of rec.music.*, I was only using that group as      an example.  I'm suggesting something along the lines of rec.marching.drumcorps, this will allow a place for other groups to be formed later under the          rec.marching.  Like rec.marching.winter-guard, rec.marching.hs-band,            rec.marching.FILL_IN_THE_BLANK.


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Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 11:13:16 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1a75v7INNqul@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
says:
>
>In article <92269.140048MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>I tried to think of another *famous* example to notate using this method,
>>and came up with this:
>>
>>   >      >       >        >      >      ---6--- ---6--- ---6---
>>|4 zzzz zzzz zzzz zzzz  |2 zzzz zz.   |3 ... ... ... ... ... ... |4
>>|4                      |4            |4                         |4
>>   pp                                      cresc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>>
>>   >  >   >   >   > >   >  >   >   >   > >
>>|4 f..f ...: :. . f f | f..f ...: :.:: . f |
>>|4                    |                    |
>>
>><<<ff
>>
>
>Isn't that the beginning of the Channel One Suite drum break?
 
Yep.  One gold star to David (Star of David?  Hmmm....)
 
This is too much fun, so I tried to think of more obscure examples, and
came up with the following.  I'm using the new notation method (i.e.,
,=flam, _=rest, etc):
 
1.
 
    3/4
   |>  >  > > >    | >  >  > > >    | >  >  >        |
   |.:.. _._. .:.. | .:.. _._. .:.. | ,.., _,__ ____ |
   |R  L  L L R    | R  L  L L R    | R  L  R        |
 
2.
 
    5/8                             3/8       5/8
   |> >  >   >   |        |        | >   >   | >
   |,_,_ ,.. ,.. | repeat | repeat | ,.. ,.. | ,   etc
   |R L  R   L   |        |        | R   L   | R
 
 
Any takers?  You have to be a real drum corps percussion afficanado to
get these.
 
-Mike Hughes
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Subject: Re: Senior Corps Finals
From: fath1@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:35:22 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep29.202642.29691@medtron.medtronic.com> cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero) writes:
>
>I haven't seen anyone post the total final results of the 
>DCA Championships.  I'm just a little curious what the
>results were.
>
>Does anyone know?  I only know the Empire Statesmen won, but
>that is it.  
>


Good question.  I have the scores from the latest DCW but unfortunately
don't follow DCA, so I can't give you more details.

Sept. 5, 1992 Scranton, PA  DCA Championship Finals

1. Bushwackers	96.7
2. Empire Statesmen	96.3
3. Caballeros	94.2
4. Hurricanes	93.2
5. Les Metropolitains	92.8
6. Westshoremen	91.8
7. Skyliners	88.6
8. Crusaders	87.4
9. Buccaneers	86.6
10. Minnesota Brass	84.5
11. Brigadiers	81.5
12. Sunrisers	80.8

other placements from prelims:

13. Capitol Brass	79.6
14. Steel City	77.9
15. Chieftans	75.7
16. Chicago Vanguard	75.2


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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Star of Indiana 1993 repetoire
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.150118.28053@menudo.uh.edu> HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.) writes:
>In <Oct04.213104.41750@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:
>
>> 
>> News from Prodigy-land:
>> 
>> Bill Cook has just passed along word from Jim Mason regarding Star of
>> Indiana's 1993 show.  The music is all by Samuel Barber and is:
>> 
>>         School for Scandal
>>         Adagio for Strings
>>         Medea's Dance of Vengeance
>> 
>
>Well, I will say that I am pleased to find that some corps has finally
>discovered Barber.  At the same time, I cannot express to strongly my dismay
>at which corps it was.  I dread next summer hearing delicate scoring
>and beautiful melodies butchered by an organization with no finesse or concept
>of subtlety.  That is, if they treat Barber the same way they have treated
>Bill Schuman and Respighi in previous years.

Aren't we being a little harsh here?  Or is this an attempt to start
another Star flame war?

-- Donald
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Subject: Re: What should we call the rec.drumcorps group?
From: bthomas@nim.gac.edu (Barbara L Thomas)
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:24:50 -0600

> >
>   I'm not suggesting a name of rec.music.*, I was only using that group  
as      an example.  I'm suggesting something along the lines of  
rec.marching.drumcorps, this will allow a place for other groups to be  
formed later under the          rec.marching.  Like  
rec.marching.winter-guard, rec.marching.hs-band,             
rec.marching.FILL_IN_THE_BLANK.
>
I'm mostly just a reader and a watcher around here, but I like the  
rec.marching.drumcorps idea - for many of the same reasons.  It allows for  
a wider variety of backgrounds and may get more people into the group who  
have common experiences yet aren't necessarily just drumcorps. 
--
Barbara L. Thomas
"The World may never know."
bthomas@nic.gac.edu
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: drill (was Re: Creativity vs. Execution)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:12:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct5.135626.15739@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
>SO, what do you netters think?  Do you keep the form or get to your
>spot (which kinda makes drum corps an individual activity and not 
>a group -- or for Kurt Gowdy -- a TEAM activity).
>

I must agree with Tom here.  The crowd and judges don't have a copy of your
drill book, so they aren't going to know if "R" and "T" were not supposed
to be in the drill.  The judges can say that the design looks a little
cluttered, however, but that is a lot better than if you left one guy to
stand alone.  Then the execution judge can say that this person is totally
out of it, and the g.e. judge can say that the form looks jacked.  Either
way a mistake will be made, but by adjusting the drill, you can minimize
the damage.

>Any thoughts?
>Tom
>---

--David

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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1992 DCI videos are out/review
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:27:06 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
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MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
: I received my videos from 800 Video Express of the 1992 finals in the mail
: yesterday.  Here is a brief synopsis of the quality of the set:
:  
: The audio is much clearer on the tapes than on the broadcast mix, but still
: could be improved, I feel.

Is the audio you listened to from the Hi-Fi tracks of the video tape or the
regular audio track.  The Hi-Fi stereo tracks provide audio quality approaching
that of a compact disk.  I haven't received this years tapes yet but in past 
years the Hi-Fi stereo has been good, but getting the disk was worth the 
additional bucks.

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