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From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:38:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxIuwn.7GH
Organization: UB

In article <BxHLLE.25w@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes:
>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>What we oppose is the use of the use of the resources of South Africa in a
>>partial way. Where white South Africans alone have access to computers. We
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	       This is an outright lie.
>>(I) are telling them that if they want to play, they should allow blacks to
>>play. 
>
>Blacks are allowed to play.  You don't believe me?  Ask the students of 
>Luhlaza High School in Khayalitsha, or Alexander High in what use to be 
>District 6.  They are not the only "black schools" that received free 
>computers and now receive free computer education with the help of 
>volunteers, some of which are staff and students in this department.
>
>As for black students not having access to the net: this year we have 839 
>students in Computer Science and each one of them has an account on a 
>system from where they can read the news, post and send mail.  How many of
>them are black, he asks.  I don't know, since we do not keep track of the
>race of our students.  I happen to have the class list for our 3rd year
>students.  I do not know them all, but by looking at the names and
>remembering some of the faces I would guess around 12 of the 65 are black.
>The percentages in 1st and 2nd year are higher.  I have not asked them why 
>they don't post - I did not think it that important.
>
>Since they certainly have the opportunity to post, the only other reason 
>(according to you) why they don't post is because they are afraid.  While 
>it is certainly not impossible, I doubt it.  Black students at this 
>university is certainly not afraid (and have no reason to be) to voice 
>their opinion (sometimes extremely critical of the administration, not 
>even to mention the government) at public meetings on campus.  They are not
>afraid to sing freedom songs, lead marches and toi-toi through campus. 
>(Note: not only black students participate in these activities, but we are
>focussing on them since you claim they are afraid to post their opinion.)
>Some of them are not afraid, in support of striking workers, to errect
>barricades of burning logs and tyres, preventing any vehicle from entering
>campus.  The same students were not afraid to disrupt lectures, dance on
>the desks of other students (both black and white), spray people with fire
>extinguishers, tear up the notes of lecturers, etc.  No, somehow I do not
>think they would be afraid to post -- mmmm, unless they are afraid to post
>something that you do not agree with and then be branded sellouts or not
>real blacks or be flamed to death...


 In other words it is not politically correct,...well you maybe right. It is
 one thing to demonstrate publicly with the mob, it is another to document
 your opinion on a world wide network. You see, some of you have never been
 oppressed, so you just don't get it.

 Itiakorit
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Ethiopia, Greece
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2855.2B029F6E
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <10 Nov 1992 22:20> TONY DESOUZA said to All :

 TD>I was born in Ethiopia in 1969 an lived there until 1974.  My 
 TD>father is 
 TD>Indian and my mother is Greek.  Although I now live in the US, 
 TD>I lived in 
 TD>Athens, Greece for a number of years and have concluded that 
 TD>there must be
 TD>a substantial Greek influence in Ethiopia.  Could any one fill 
 TD>me in on 
 TD>this aspect of Ethiopian culture?

Why do you say that there was a Greek influence? 

What are the similarities that you notice?

Both countries have been influenced by a similar form of the Christian faith, 
and that could lead to some similarities in culture, but if that is what you 
have in mind, there is no ground for saying that Greece influenced Ethiopia. 
It would be far more accurate to say that both were influenced by Egypt. The 
most influential Christian theologians of the first four centuries were 
African.

Steve Hayes
Department of Missiology
University of South Africa
P O Box 392
Pretoria
0001 South Africa




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From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:ANGOLA: UNITA IS ''TOTALLY BROKEN,'' PORTUGUESE ANALYSTS SAY
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:06:51 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Europe, western
Title: ANGOLA: UNITA IS ''TOTALLY BROKEN,'' PORTUGUESE ANALYSTS SAY


lisbon, nov 3 (ips/mario dujisin) -- following several days of
fierce fighting and the death or capture of 14 generals and other
key leaders, jonas savimbi's national union for the total
independence of angola (unita) ''has lost the battle and is
totally broken,'' portuguese analysts said tuesday.

a series of manoeuvres by the angolan military have dealt
serious blows to the unita forces. both unita vice-president
jeremias chitunda and political leader salupeto pena died in
clashes with soldiers on sunday.

according to an official announcement, all of savimbi's
closest collaborators ''are in government custody,'' including
unita's ''number three man,'' abel chivukuvuku, who was seriously
wounded in sunday's fighting.

mystery still surrounds the whereabouts of savimbi and unita's
army commander general arlindo pena ben ben -- a mythical figure
amongst unita troops.

despite the relative calm in luanda, violent combats are still
being reported throughout the countryside and the evacuation of
foreigners continues unabated.

according to radio reports, the death toll could easily
surpass the 1,000 mark announced by the government on monday.

on tuesday, heavy artillary combat was reported in benguela, a
port city whose ethnically mixed population is strongly opposed
to unita and ''savimbi's tribal fundamentalism.''

nevertheless, benguela is crucial to savimbi's goal of
securing access to the sea.

analysts say that savimbi hopes ''to divide the country in
two, maintaining control of the central regions, populated
predominantly by ovimbundus (an ethnic group that constitutes one
third of angola's population).''

heavy fighting broke out in angola last weekend, with savimbi
discounting the september election results and accusing the
government of fraud.

in the elections, which were monitored by observers from the
united nations, the popular movement for the liberation of angola
(mpla) and its presidential candidate jose eduardo dos santos
soundly defeated savimbi and unita.

mpla has ruled angola since its 1975 independence from
portugal. in 1976, unita initiated a guerrilla war against the
government, which was supposed to end with the signing of peace
accords in may 1991. (more/ips)
----


angola: unita (2)

reports originating in luanda state that ''it is not clear if
savimbi is still in (his native province) huambo or if he has
crossed the border with a small group of faithful commanded by
ben ben.  the fact is that unita has been unable to coordinate,
they lost the principle battle and are traumatised.''
(end/ips/trd/so/md/ego/eli/92)
----
From: fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (farha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: ZAMBIA - need info
Keywords: biotech companies
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:07:19 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre


Dear netters,

Can anyone give me any info on Scientific  institutions or research 
companies in Zambia? Or waht fields of research are  popular there.
If not can you point me in the right direction !

Thanks

.

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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Abortion, Euthanesia and the wrongless West.
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:02:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov5.033432.9040@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>the Somali government today, like the Ethiopian government a while back, is
>letting a civil war use up its resources, leading to the death of innocent
>children and old people. East=West=North=South. Let's hope that the good


And as with  most evil in Africa OFCOURSE the West is at the root of the matter.
In the colonial days, they divided BOTH Ethiopia and Somalia between England an
d Italy. By the end of this evil rule the country could not exist as one. Civil
war was a consequence of their noble effort at reunification. It might be appro
priate to point out their role in execerbating both disasters......

I might say, show me ANY of our problems and I wlii show you their evil hand.



Makala
>
>       H.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS AGAIN
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:16:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov11.091502.1859@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>Ngeye Zoba!!
>If your friends are in as much denial as
>you are then of course they won't know of
>any gays in their cities/countries.  

I did not answer you until I interviewed seven (7) Zaireans who all are my closefriend. They said you are crazy and a liar (one went to reactivate his unixd
account so that he could personally rebut you). They said YOU ARE DREAMING, but
probably wishing. 

Like any African city, Kinshasa is wide open. Every one knows all the shady things which go on. There is of course the pervasive corruption which begins when y
ou alight at Ndjili airport. To
all the illicit deals which are going on. Africans typically deal in stolen eme
ralds and diamonds which they sale to the Lebanese and the greeks.

Most people think that these people dubble in homosexuality although they can't
prove it. There Africans surrogate might participate, but this is generally a 
matter for conjecture as there is no concrete evidence.

My Zairean friend Kombele Gelembo knows of a Belgiun who sodomised his servant.
The Gerndames' got him one day and Mobutu kicked hum out. The man contrived to
return to Brazzaville where he attempted to contineu his conduct from across 
the river. He returned to Europe for good when an irate Kinois (Kishasan) took
matters into his own hands and gave him the beating of his life for sodomising
his 15 year old son.

Their reply did not surprise me. Zarois are culturally identical to us. I under
stand Lingala and Swahili. I know many Zaireans, including a beuty by the name
of Mimi Kibwita. Some say 20% of my town is Zairean. Of thesemany are my friendsNone (0!) indulges in or sympathises with homosexuality. The majority of musicians in my country (as every where in central, east and FREE southern Africa) are
Zaireans. They are  us. We coexist and cohabit. The majority of people
in my country have a Zairean ancestory (60%). One of them is my own mother whosegrandmother is Zairean Lunda-Lenje-Kaunde. 

It is clear that I know more about these people than you do. I asure you. We arenot homosexual, do not have such people among us.

 As I pointed out earlier in an email. Your travellers passed through our continent last century. They reported everything they saw (and may things they imagined) such as the number and types of flowers. They wrote MANY ernomous volumes on
culture which you can find in your library today. They attributed all manner of
evil things to us. Everything except gayism. These are people who sat there and
studied us like flies in a bottle or plants in a botanical garden, or sodium in
a beaker. No gayism, nothing.

So stop hallucinating and wishing and come down to life.

Makala
From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Gay Africans?
Summary: RE: Definition of "PRIMITIVE"
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:39:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:11:09 -0500
From: kauta <kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
To: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: Gay Africans?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Status: R

In article <Nov.5.22.26.19.1992.5693@occlusal.rutgers.edu> you write:
->As a African and a curious student of some primitive African cultures
->including that of my ethnic group in the Adamawa Plateau of the
->Central African region of Cameroon in the last 3000 years, I have
->found no evidence of the existence of homosexuality in any of these
->primitive cultures.

>Where are these "primitive" cultures located in the world?? And precisely what
>makes them so??
>
>kauta
>-- 
>Internet: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>Bitnet:   kautaj@iubacs.bitnet         
>Uucp:     kautaj@iubacs.uucp           

My use of the word "primitive" in my article means "original" or "as close to 
nature  as possible" or "primary" or "from which others copied". I am 
very aware of the European distortion of the word since the 18th century to
mean something derogatory especially in reference to African civilizations. If 
I offended any right thinking African minds because of this please accept my 
clarifications. I am proud to say I come from a primitive culture as long as 
my audience is assumed to have the intellectual competence to analyze the word 
within the context.

Thanks for your concern. I am delighted many are as concerned as I am about 
the continuous European colonization and enslavement of the African mind.

Shemlon.............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Death of Evil Empire II (was Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat)
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:43:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov4.093110.5896@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
>What chance I wonder that the US will stop supporting venal dictatorships
>in the Clinton world order? At least they don't have the Soviet Union
>as an excuse any more for interfering in other country's politics.
>Philip Machanick

If the man keeps his word, sanctions will be intensified on the illegal repessive minority oligarchy that currently colonises South Africa until the popular will of the majority prevails.



Makala
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: International Integration (was Re: female Circumcision)
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:17:53 GMT

In <9262@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>The "elite" education you are referring to was procured for me by people
>by a conscious policy of their govt at considerable cost. Any South African
>can get this same education too if he comes to America. As you know, I dont
>set the admission policies here..   

Get real, Makala... "Any South African can get this same education too
if he comes to America".  Any South African?  Yeah, sure.... where do I
form the queue?

>What we oppose is the use of the use of the resources of South Africa in a
>partial way. Where white South Africans alone have access to computers. We
>(I) are telling them that if they want to play, they should allow blacks to
>play. The situation here is that these we are helping these people to pract
>ise apartheid.

What's with this "we"?  Are you some sort of committee or debating
club?

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and instead of trying
to foster non-existent conspiracy theories try and help to get
networking down to the grass roots in this country and its neighbours?
We've already got one non-racial school in Grahamstown on the Internet,
and there are plenty more interested.  They need financial assistance,
and you'd be in an ideal position to help out if you'd just try and pay
attention to what we're trying to do over here rather than bleating
about how the whole world isn't fit to talk to you.
-- 
  F.F. Jacot Guillarmod     PO  Box 94     \        |     ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za
  Computing Centre       Grahamstown 6140   \      /     +27 461 22023 xt 284
  Rhodes University        South Africa      ;___*/   33 18 30 S | 26 31 45 E
From: blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: <None>
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:10:15 -0500

Ngeye Zoba!!


If your friends are in as much denial     
as you are then of course they won't know
From: poam@giraffe.ru.ac.za (AK MARQUARD)
Subject: angola
Summary: does anyone know?
Keywords: angola arms south africa
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Distribution: WORLD
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:35:17 GMT

Does anyone know anything about what is going on in Angola at the moment 
specifically in terms of SA govt involvement? apparently Pik Botha has been 
banned from the country on charges of assisting UNITA with arms etc., and 
there is also a rumour that the infamous 32 battalion (made up of black 
purtuguese-speaking ex-members of the FNLA who fought with UNITA in the war 
against SWAPO and the MPLA) has been shipped to Zaire, partly as "
mercenaries" to assist Savimbi, presumably with support from certain sectors 
of the South African Defence Force - does anyone have information 
substantiating any of this (e.g. MPLA statements etc.)?

Apparently Botha's role in the Mozambique peace accord was also dubious - 
any info on this also appreciated.


======================================================================
Andrew Marquard, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

  "So long as there is still a single beggar, there is still myth.
  Only with the last beggar's dissappearance, would myth be appeased."
                                            Walter Benjamin
======================================================================
From: bo647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cesar Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: English-Afrikaan translation
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:07:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Anybody out there with a Mechanical or Electrical Engineering
background, willing and capable of translating a technical manual
from English into Afrikaan, please answer by E-mail.  Best choice:
WP for IBM and modem capability.

Thanks in advance,

Cesar    (Internet: bo647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
  
     

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Egyptian History
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:57:53 GMT

In article <Bx8Mtx.48L@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes:
>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

>It is clear why NO black man in the whole world has been able to be racist 
>since Alexander "the great" over threw the last Egyptian Pharaoh.

Those of us who know Mr Mweene of old on this newsgroup are aware that
his knowledge of African history is a big fat zero.  However, lest new
readers be misled, for the record:

The last indigenous Egyptian pharaoah, Nektanebo II, was defeated and
overthrown by the armies of the Persian King Artaxerxes II at the
Battle of Pelusium in 343 BC (411 AUC).  He fled the country and
died in exile, leaving Egypt to become a Persian satrapy.

After Alexander's defeat of Darius, the Persian governor of Egypt
decided (wisely) not to resist him, and allowed Alexander unobstructed
entry into the country, where the people hailed him as a liberator
and proclaimed him Pharoah at Memphis (well, we've heard that story
before - or since - haven't we).

This tells us something about Mr Mweene, doesn't it?  Egypt was the
home of the greatest African civilisation, and, in the opinion of
some of us, one of the greatest in the world.  That Mr Mweene doesn't
even care to get its history even approximately right says that, for
all his bigotry and posturing, his real attitude towards Africa and
her history is one of utter contempt.  That, naturally, makes him an
expert on African affairs.
From: cssjs2@ufhx1.ufh.ac.za (Mr I Scheepers)
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Organization: University of Fort Hare, Alice, Ciskei
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:10:34 GMT

In <1992Nov11.073618.23042@leland.Stanford.EDU> zozo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fundi Mbangi) writes:
>In article <1dpvnaINNptl@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>>pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>> A whole lot of stuff deleted.
>>I for one would like to see a proper debate on these issues.
>>Please let's try to do that honestly and without rancour. It

>For the most part it's just that we're getting postings from the same 
>institutions and by the same people. Just wondering, does anyone of you guys 
>in SA know if any of the historically black universities get this newsgroup,
>or whether they have email at all. I mean places like For Hare, Ongoye, UNITRA,
>UNIBO, Turflop, etc.
>--------------------
>Fundisile

The computer science department have ~80 PC's available to all students.
In addition, the computer centre has a open shop, mainly for word processing.
Netnews and email is available to all. Not many students make use of inter-
national mail, but it is being used locally. We also have a saturday school
project where about 10 local high schools come to the labs and are tutored
by computer science students.

If you want to email to members of council or the chancellor, Dr Tambo,
I would be willing to print out and forward your mail.