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From: kuwhip@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Wyrewolves
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:03:29 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov3.132024.1725@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> Did anything ever become of the werewolf discussion list that someone suggested
> not too long ago?
> 
> Why would anyone WANT to be a vampire?  Don't vampires need to feed off the
> blood of the living?  I wouldn't want that kind of curse.  Blood banks are not
> an alternative either, because they are in short supply.  (Donate blood!)  Now
> werewolves on the other hand...they don't need blood, just food like the rest
> of us.  For me, lycanthropy would be the only way to go.

  Werewolves live normal lifespans, age and die. Vampires are immortal and
eternaly young. Werewolves are not fully in control of their transformations in
most legends, whereas vampires are. Not to mention that a wide range of powers
and supernatural abilities are attributed to vampires, but werewolves have only
one or two,mostly focusing on transforming into a wolf and back. Vampires need
to feed, yes, but they don't need to kill, nor must the blood nessesarily be
human. There is also the underlying sensuality of being a vampire or a victim
that tends to attract people and sell large quantities of Anne Rice novels.
  Being a werewolf would tend to seem like being a binge drinker to me: waking 
up in the morning sore and covered in blood,unable to remember what you did
last night. Not to mention that hiding lycanthropy would seem tobe fairly
difficult, even if you lived in the country, which you'd almost have to.
                               Marziah
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Compiled music list?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:46:42 GMT

kendall@cats.ucsc.edu  writes:
> 
>  Yeah, Fade to Black by Metallica, and every Metallica song made.
> 
> -- 
> ||--------------------------||                 K E N D /\ L L                ||
> || kendall@cats.ucsc.edu    ||"Don't Let Me Stop Your Great Self-Destruction ||
> ||\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\||"DIE! If You Want To, You Misguided Martyr!!   ||
> ============================||"I Wash My Hands Of Your Destruction......     ||
>                             ===================================================
Get a clue KenDoll.  I love Metallica, but they are not vampire music.  Stop
trying to kiss up to Mr.'s Hetfield, Ulrich, Hammet and Newsted.  I doubt that
they read the board.
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius   )
Subject: Re: FFC's DRACULA (some SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:29:46 GMT

Actually (regarding the religious symbols used in *Dracula*)

One possible explanation (the one which I favored anyway) is:

(1) The cross didn't work well on Dracula because in life he had served
    the church of God (as a Dracul, or Templar) and his everlasting hatred
    for God (how much more plain can you make it after stabbing a cross and
    drinking the blood which pours out of it?) were even stronger than 
    mortal faith in God.

(2) The succubi (female vampires at the castle) were presumably from that
    same era.  Perhaps they were too old to be turned away by such 
    paraphrenalia.  They could also have been Egyptian (suggested by the
    costumes) or Muslim (suggested by the time period), which would mean
    that they had no knowledge/credence in the faith confronting them.
    It is a pretty good asset to be able to melt silver however.  :)

(3) We see, however, that Mina and Lucy are very strongly affected by the
    presentation of these items (the Host, the Cross, etc.)  I think this
    is because they were born English Christians and thus were more
    strongly rooted to their faith.

Sorry not to include the original post but I detest bandwidth.

* * * * * *

Marius
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu




Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ferret@irony.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:27:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ferret@irony.engin.umich.edu


In article <flar.722055897@vincent2.iastate.edu>, flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
> 
> Oh, I hate to ask, but what in the bloody heck was Dracula doing turning
> into a werewolf?????  I just don't get it.....
> 

	I hate to answer, but...

	Dracula was not "turning into a werewolf", he was turning into a _wolf_.
A werewolf is an "ordinary" person who can assume the shape of a wolf.  Some of
the vampire legends/folklore/fakelore (note, no favortism here) allow for vampires to assume the shape of a wolf (or bat or rat or mist).

	With a simple fact,
	Ken Lipka
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: Andrew S Boggs <aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: A Vampire's teeth
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:49:19 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

A friend and I were wondering what is the nature of a vampire's fangs. Do they 
work like a snake's fangs, but in reverse(instead of injecting venom, do they 
withdraw blood), or are the fangs just for puncturing, and the blood is just 
swallowed like any other liquid? Any suggestions are welcome.
     Thanks in advance.

------> Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. <------
From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

From Stoker's Dracula, the vampire was not merely feeding.  Dracula
came after Mina very malignantly.  From this point of view you
could call him evil since he was striving to hurt the people chasing
him, but then he was also simply responding to his environment,
as any criminal does really.

				- Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:27:55 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: Saint-Germain

In article <1dmr90INN145@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kendall@cats.ucsc.edu
(Hadu-Ken) writes:
>
>In article <BxGrAB.4Ms@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tonya@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lillie tonya l) writes:
>>Is anyone out there interested in anything besides Anne Rice, Lestat or
>>Dracula?  How about the vampire novels by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro?  and he
>>her vampire characters: Saint-Germain, Madelaine or Olivia??
>
>Hmmmmm, why don't we talk about vampires in the sense of REAL vampires
>not stories...

Because that's as real as it's going to get?
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vlad?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:45:57 GMT
Organization: California State University, Lost Angels

In article <1992Nov19.024746.3272@nic.csu.net> vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu) writes:

>YAR (Yet another recap) Vlad Tepes was the son of vlad dracul. I
>believe Vlad Dracul took the name of "Dracul" as he was accepted in
>the Order of the Dragon, although literally Dracul means Devil.
>Dracula was taken by his son, Tepes, as a diminutive. I believe Tepes
>was eventually killed in a Hungarian plot, but I may be mistaken.

I forgot to mention - Tepes is not his real name either. Tepes is just
the Romanian version of "The Impaler" (losely). Anyone know his real family
name?

-- 
               |
____________  -+-__      ____________ 
\_____     /   |/_ \     \     _____/           Valentin Popescu
 \_____    \_____/  \____/     ____/  vpopesc@{calstatela.edu,csula.bitnet}
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Review of FFC'c _Dracula_ (small spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:46:38 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <1e8u8iINNap1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> kat@banach.WPI.EDU writes:

> In article <1e8n8uINN9tm@menudo.uh.edu>, HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> |>   This is a review for Francis Ford Coppola's _Dracula_.  There are a few
> |> spoilers, so bail out now.
> |> 
> ^L
> 
> 
> 
> 
> |> The use of diary-style narration was jarring in the
> |> early going, 
> 
> Have you ever read the novel?  Bram Stoker's _Dracula_ is told through the
> narrative of diaries.  In this respect, the movie follows the novel.  
> 
> |> Lucy, in fact, almost steals the show from Ryder (who
> |> in all truth doesn't have much to do) in her portrayal of the girl being
> |> tranformed into a vampire. 
> 
> Again, if you have read the book, you know that Mina doesn't really exist in 
> it except for the mention of her in Harkin's journal.  The _Dead Again_ 
> storyline is completely new to this version of _Dracula_.  Although this 
> doesn't follow the novel very well, I found it intriguing.

  While I freely admit to not having read the book, I am forced to judge a 
movie on its own merits, and not on its source material.  The narration both-
ered me early on -- regardless of this being faithful to Stoker.  Ditto Mina.
Regardless of Stoker, Coppola made her a major, important figure and then gave
her little to do.  I do not consider FFC's attempt at being faithful to the 
novel sufficient reason to gloss over these problems.

>  A side note, which may show my lack of knowledge on the topic.  Why did
>Dracula only travel by boat when it would have been easier to go by train. 
>Let's face it, if he wanted to get away from Van Helsing and crew, he would
>have had a tremendous head start on them if he had chosen the train. 

  Fewer customs officials?  Easier to sneak out and drain a sailor or two than
train crewmen?  Good question.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: FFC Script
Keywords: FFC script Bram Stoker Dracula Coppola
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:28:55 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

alee@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steele Alloy) writes:

> If anyone out there in netland has the script to FFC Dracula, (well,
> it IS different than Stoker's), please, please email it to me or post
> it here? Thanks in advance.
> 
You can purchase the shooting script included in the companion book
to the movie, a large-format paperback (magazine size).  Includes 
full-color stills from the movie, many not seen in the final cut.
I purchased my copy at Waldenbooks.

-- Raven

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raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
"The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California -- +1 408 338-9754
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 00:04:59 MST
From: <AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Where to put your GIFs!

Chris said:
=============================================================================
                1) To the person who posted the 12-part GIF... usually it's a
lot more polite to simply say that you have the GIF and then people can e-mail
you privately for it, or to put it on an FTP site. Not everyone has the program
to read a GIF, and certainly not everyone wqants something that huge flooding
their account from out of nowhere. =)
==============================================================================

     First of all, this is USENET.  The prohibition against posting
GIFs is to LISTSERVERs.  With LISTSERVERS, everyone gets an e-mail
copy of every posting in their own mail box.  With USENET, only one copy
is sent to each node and everybody reads and/or downloads a copy of each
message they want.  There are, in fact, entire USENET groups dedicated to
posting GIFs.  While it might be argued that a GIF would be more appropriately
posted to a group like alt.binaries.pictures, it shouldn't be flooding
anyone's _account_ if it is posted here.

     Second, in return for reading through my pedantic ramblings, I offer
the following conciliatory information:

     Some of the dedicated members of the VAMPYRES listserver have created
an FTP archive site (actually, several of them, I believe.)  One of these
sites is run by Cat (FLEXNER@CS.UWINDSOR.CA)  There is an area set up
for vampire GIFs.  It is virtually empty at the moment, so don't flood the
machine.  If you FTP FTP.CS.UWINDSOR.CA and move to the
PUB/LOCAL/TEXT/VAMPYRES/PICS/INCOMING directory and leave the image
there, everyone, including most of the members of the listserver VAMPYRES
group could get at it.  Don't forget to set your filemode to BINARY.

     As always, please be polite by limiting your system-intensive FTPing
to non-peak hours (like after 5 p.m. and before 7 a.m.)

     Also, most servers have an INCOMING directory to which everyone
has write rights.  On some systems, you cannot read from the INCOMMING
directory.  You should be able to put stuff on WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU
among others, as well.

     I hope this has been helpful.  Direct comments to me via e-mail
since I barely have time to read my mail, much less muck about USENET
every day ...
---
                                  -Devlyn Syde
                                  <AHACC@ASUACAD>
                                  <AHACC@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Best Vampire Movies
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:53:20 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1ec4j1INN9b4@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt) writes:
> 
> pale blood? spare me. it was pathetic. very sad waste of film actually.
> i have seen a fair number of vamp movies and fright night (1st one) and
> the lost boys were the best.
> 
I'd add _Near Dark_ after _Fright Night_ and before _The Lost Boys_.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
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From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Re: Vampire the Masquerade
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:06:07 GMT
Keywords: RPG, Vampire, Masquerade

For those of you who pointed out my error to me I will give the address for
the Vampire mailing list dealing with White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade,
and other Storytelling systems out, and those in production.  To join send
mail to 'listserv@math.ufl.edu' ignore the subject line, but on the first
line of the message type 'ADD Vampire' with out the quotes.
From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth
Summary: Fangs the way I see it.
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:42:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <9211172349.AA00247@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Andrew S Boggs <aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> A friend and I were wondering what is the nature of a vampire's fangs. Do they 
> work like a snake's fangs, but in reverse(instead of injecting venom, do they 
> withdraw blood), or are the fangs just for puncturing, and the blood is just 
> swallowed like any other liquid? Any suggestions are welcome.
>      Thanks in advance.
> 
> ------> Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. <------


	In all the literature, source material, ect. that I've read, the fangs
are just there to make the puncture--the blood is removed by sucking just like
any other liquid would be in that situation.  Additionally, most fangs are
retractable until they're needed--running around with a lovely fang-filled
smile would make it difficult to fit into normal society.  (And isn't that
what makes vampires so  terrifing?  That there could be one sitting *right
next to you*?  Hey, wait a minute, what are you. . . .)

Christine
	No one holds sway over me.  No man.  No god.  No Prince.
	What are claims of power to those who defy death?  What are
	claims of age to those who are immortal?  Call your damnable
	hunt.  We shall see who I drag screaming to Hell with me.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:04:11 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Dracula Soundtrack?
Distribution: usa

Greetings...
     Request: When is the FFC Dracula soundtrack being released / Needed
              for creepy role-playing atmosphere.
     I strongly suggest the soundtrack to Full_Metal_Jacket and A_Passage_
  In_Time by Dead Can Dance... Check (I think this is correct) alt.gothic
  for many, many, many more suggestions.
     Take Care,
              - Jonathan
From: U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Dhampyr/Dhampire
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:45:29 GMT
 <1e0p0nINNn5f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1e0p0nINNn5f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken)
says:
>
>Robert just said :
>>age of the vampire count he is up against; "10,000 years old. He could be
>trouble".
>
>Yes, most Bio-Physical vampires can live forever.

Hmmm, most interesting.  Please define Bio-Physical vampire.  Are you referring
to creatures which feed specifically upon blood rather than the psychic energy
of a kill?  Also, Robert's point was that a 10,000 year old vampire probably
knows every trick in the book in terms of combat, between humans and vampires,
and vampires and vampires.  Not to mention that the older a Rice-Vampire gets,
the more invulnerable they get.  Akasha even walked in broad daylight, and it
took the combined strength of nearly a dozen vampires to rip the head from
her body and destroy her.  Even then, flames couldn't harm her corpse.
Also, one friend of mine had speculated that given enough time, (say another
ten to twenty thousand years) a Rice Vampire could walk the surface of the
sun without injury (although the lesser vampires would probably all incinerate
due to the bloodline).

And Ken, chill out with the one line replies.  Anyone who doesn't know that
vampires can live forever (look at Dracula, how many times was he allegedly
killed?) is rather out of it.

Douglas P. Wojtowicz.

I owed Aramis for what he did to me after the Civil War.  The chump got
me into a coma, then buried me under a twenty ton slab of granite.  Being
two dimensional for fifteen years is not something that grows on you.
-Terry Wolf, Vampire.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent)
Subject: Re: FFC's DRACULA (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:24:27 GMT

cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Ghost with the Most=) writes:

>As for the rest of the movie and cast, I thought it, they were terrific.  A
>few of the special effects, left something to the imagination, however I think
>that is how it should be anyway.  Feed me a thought and I will give it life.
>This is the beauty of the cinema in my mind.

Yeah, sure.  Like Dracula's shadow choking Mr. Harker?  That leaves SO
much to the imagination.  Frankly, I found much of the movie simplistic
in its imagery and symbolism.  It doesn't go much deeper that the fake
bite marks on Lucy's neck.

>I liked the ending also, I think that the idea that Dracula was not to live,
>however he did not, either deserve to be slaughtered without thought was
>well conveyed, although they didn't have the same feeling about destroying
>vampires early in the film.  It seemed that Love conquers all.  debate debate
>debate.

It was a lame attempt at a tragic love story.  Don't you see the irony?
The tragedy?  Dracula waits 400 years to reunite with his dead lover
and what does she do?  She kills him!  For the sake of love!  Sheah...
right!

This stuff is as old as Dracula.
Shakespeare did it earlier with Romeo and Juliet before FCC.  And there
was Pyramus and Thisbe way before Shakespeare.

If you're looking for subtlety in this movie, you won't find it.  If
you want real subtlety look for the prevailing bodily fluid in this
movie.  No, it's not blood, it's barf.

Harker: "Mina, how could you pity such a creature?"  *BARF*
Mina: "...and I see a river around the castle..."  *BARF*

Anyone else want to add?
-- 
Eu-Ming Lee (aka CyberGeek)                      el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Guys with long sigs are just trying to compensate for something...
From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Coppola's DRACULA (NOT spoiler)
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:31:14 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <1e12nvINNm33@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:
|> In a previous article, eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) says:

|> >They had a free sneak of the movie at CWRU last night.  Needless
|> >to say, the place was packed to the gills.  Yours truly had
|> >second row center and was entranced.  FFC has done it again.
|> >Great visuals.  Fantastic costuming.  The pacing was perfect--
|> >I don't care what the local reviewer said about it.  There
|> >was angst, love, gore, the usual stuff for a vampire movie.
|> >And well worth it, as far as I'm concerned.  I'd even pay money
|> >to go see it again.
|>
|> I was there as well, but I didn't really enjoy the movie.  The pacing was
|> erratic, the movie's style veered in several different directions, with
|> so many characters no one really had time to develop themselves (some of
|> whom seemed to add nothing to the story, i.e. Reinfield) ...

Dracula by Stoker contains such a rich plot that I though
adapting it to the standard Hollywood "Get-em-in-and-out" format
would be tough.  What is needed is a serious epic style like
the old Ben Hur, Gone With the Wind, etc.

				- Jeff