HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Imitating Turing (was: Liberty (was:
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:31:56 GMT

In article <memo.827950@cix.compulink.co.uk> iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
:fanatics they'd be the right sort of people.  In fact, as Fischer in
:particular has shown, being very very good at chess is more usually a sign of
:being someone to avoid for anything else.

Just out of interest, what do you mean by that?

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Nigel... your email aint working!
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 10:18:34 GMT

Although this is in a newsgroup and is costing the net hundreds, if not
thousands of dollars to send, this message is to one person - Nigel... I
won't post your last name, Nigel, because I'm not sure if you've demuffined
yet, but I'll answer the question you emailed me here.  I can't seem to
email you back (I'm given an "unknown host" message....).. so here is my
reply:

Bobby Brown is a black rap/dance singer person.  I don't like his music
very much.  I can't really tell you all that much more about him because I
try to ignore his stuff as much as possible.

Sorry!


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: More words stuff
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:43:58 GMT

In article <BzpwwK.rK@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>Nononono.  The male analogue of the uterus (= Gk 'husteron') isn't
>the testes.  I can't remember where it is, but it's probably one of
>those things that no-one other than urologists has ever heard of, like
>the bulbo-urethral glands, or some other stuff.  It's there, I've read
>a book on human reproductive embryology, I just don't have it in my
>head.

I'd be kind of worried if you did.  A uterus-equivalent in your head?
How unpleasant.  Pregnancy would add new meaning to the phrase "a
swelled head".


Piglet, snarky as usual
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Cheer!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:23:08 GMT



I'm off on the holidays.  Yahoo!

Anyways, I apologize to those whose mail I did not have time to respond to
in my haste to get away.

I'm going to try to find public Internet somewhere here in Ottawa in the
new year, and so will hopefully be back in soc.bi then.

Best of holiday cheer to you all.


Holiday *HUGS* all,


Brad

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-femmes
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.204132.15473@netcom.com>, boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey
Boser) wrote: [...]
> but you are correct, there is a fascination in our culture with bi
> women..  I once was offered to join a friend and one of her female
> friends for some 'experimentation'..  and when I declined was amazed,
> saying 'You are the only guy Ive met that doesnt have a fantasy of
> making it with two women.'  I dont really..  but give me someone
> I care about and something sweet and ill spin fanta..  nah..  Ill
> just jump into things and have fun.  <grin>
> 
> I sometimes think it has to do with the power games in our culture,
> how man is supposed to dominate the woman, and the more women the
> better.. [...]

The problem with this power dynamic (outside of fantasy) is that it gets in
the way of taking women seriously. (We've been through this discussion
before -- fantasy and reality may differ. ;)

From a bi view, I'd also point out the fantasy possiblities of having sex
with two men, or a man and a woman.

I've felt attracted to both members of several mixed-sex couples among my
friends. (As they are generally het and monogamous, I wouldn't seriously
expect anything to come of it.)

From a mathematical point of view, it would be necessary to go to at least
four people before you could come up with a combination where *all*
partners would *need* to be bisexual to participate fully. (Not that I
think this is really important, I'm just fascinated by the math.)

However, the likelihood of a fantasy may well be inversely proportional to
its complexity...

 ;) 

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Sharon Stone
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:06:37 +0000

	From: shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio)

	In article <MUFFY.92Dec22081804@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
	>might have been the personality of the character (in Basic Instinct).
	>People become much less attractive to me if I don't like who they are.

	Sharon Stone? she's a hard, cold bitch with fingernails from hell. That's
	why I like her.

	But then, I'm just that way.

Better start cutting those nails then!

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.213415.2324@nwnexus.WA.COM> 
elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>   In the same vein, Graham, I have to ask: How many people think
>anon.penet.fi has *ruined* a lot of usenet?  I'm sorry, but I don't
>really enjoy dealing with people who hide behind screens.  I'm almost
>tempted to killfile the whole site... almost, but not quite.

Elf!!! Really. Ready to killfile potential averti's because idjits exist?
Don't people say this about *every* new anonymous service that shows up?
NewsFlash: New Anon Service Instituted! Iminent Death of the Net Predicted!

>Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
>Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
>Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
>Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
>Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
>Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
>Could you ask as much               Take me now.
>From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.

There's no God forcing you to deal with the idjits, either publically or
privately. If you need a break, take one. But please don't whine about how
the net's being *ruined* by the latest anonymous posting service...

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Wot! Language again?
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:57:46 GMT

In <1992Dec23.191920.26201@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>The Black Hole [...]
>The Nawab [...]
>The defending troops [...]
>Historians today believe [...]

>Piglet, incredibly snobbish literary referentor

You may find that Jojo knows a thing or two about literature.  He has been
known to -- accidentally, it seems most likely -- weave a historical,
cultural, or literary reference into his otherwise nearly-illiterate and
senseless ravings.  Of course, if he had any real knowledge or insight, he
would cite chapter, book, and verse for each invoked image.
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: a silly question
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:04:55 GMT

In article <93002.225303SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>What does some turn into when they aren't a mufin any more?
>
>Graydon
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>saundrsg@               "Praise then Darkness and Creation unfinished"
>   qucdn.queensu.ca                   - U. K. LeGuin

An ex-muffin.

(Like your .sig - I'm also a fan of "The Left Hand of Darkness".)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: More de-muffining
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:07:06 GMT

In article <1h8t72INN9gq@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>> bryant@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>>>If was great to see Kay's electrons out on the ether.  I haven't seen 
>>>the lad since the bi conference in Coventry, lo these many moons ago.  
>>>Much too long!
>>
>>So what's Kay like in the flesh...
>>
>> ;) ;) 
>
>In a word?  Sexy.  Also sprach brain-fetishista.

<gurgle>
<faint>
So he fancies me for my cingulate gyri?  I care not...  Wheeee!

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Coercion v. Rape
Organization: as if I had any...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:22:46 GMT

In article <1gudr3INNff0@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>...This means I keep a _very_
>tight control of myself when dealing with women, including not initating
>conversations with them (they may not want to talk with me, but feel
>compelled because I talk with them), initiating hugs, even when in a
>body-positive environment, or flirting.  Especially flirting.  It seems
>women, in this society, are conditioned to consider any advance from a man
>as flattering, and not to reject it, even if they feel uncomfortable.  
>making a woman uncomfortable with my flirting, yet not saying anything, is
>something that I find very very disturbing.
>
>  ...I would have, for example, no problem flirting heavily with
>STella, because I know if she gets uncomfortable she'll make me stop.  This
>is not something I currently trust most women to do.  I do not believe women
>are socialized to do this....



Roy, that's a terribly patronizing and chauvinistic attitude.  I am
offended at your view of me as some pathetic little china doll who's
trained for ornamental purposes only, with no will of her own, unable
to assert her own preferences.....  Yuck!  If someone's flirting with
me, and I'm uncomfortable with that, I can squelch hir like a grape.
Squelching only used for offensive flirting, btw, merely unwelcome
attention gets a polite demurral.

It's actually kind of funny to hear you say this.  The Conventional
Wisdom (TM) on soc.sniggles is that women are trained to slap down
any attentions from men, and that men are conditioned to find any
attention flattering.  Not that soc.sniggles is a social arbiter of
note, or anything like that.  :-).

All that aside, I do think that the their CW is a lot closer to 
reality than yours.


Piglet  <sklirp> <squelch> <slip> *thud* oops--better watch that 
squelching--it's leaving too many slipperies in my path....
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:01:36 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1992Dec20.175602.12196@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.113945.26727@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>>
>>
>> >Secondly, you're absolutely correct about one thing:  I don't
>> >think this is a very big priority, in my life.  No, I'm not
>> >insensitive or boorish or stooopid --> 
>>I guess you're just a pretty good actor, then.  You sure had me
>>fooled.
>
>Me too.  Why is it these idiots always stand up and say:


Considering the fact that you commented on NOTHING in particular,
j'accuse, Ry.


>1) Not me!  However....
>
>2) I don't understand why you think this is a big deal and I
>don't think about it much but....

A question:  is this a BIG DEAL for society?  Clearly not.
Do you want to MAKE it a big deal (i.e. move it to the forefront
of people's consciousness)?  Because, folks, most people out
there don't consider this a big fucking deal.

>3) Since I don't think its important, and since I don't think
>about it, here's my completely uninformed opinion which I'm sure
>you're just dying to hear, since I'm so smart and am going to tell
>you things with my "shoot from the hip" analysis that in all your years
>of thinking about this will never have occurred to you.

Not we are privvy to any of *your* wry observations and trenchant
analysis, Ry.  Did you just graduate from the Siskel and Ebert
School of Criticism?

This is what I'm getting from you right now:  "I don't like your
style."  Because, sure as hell you didn't critique the contents
of what I said.  Neither did Melinda, and neither did Mara.
As such, you're wasting bandwidth.


>4) Why are you mad?  I'm really on your side!  Gosh, how rude of you
>to reject my great wisdom on this subject, if you'd just shut up and
>listen to clueless me, you'd realize how smart I am! Pout! scream!
>whine!

Not me, bub.  I never pout, I never whine, and I only scream
when Mara screams first.  Yeah, hey, maybe I came off too
heavy-handed.  So shoot me.  

>I guess I see this pattern often enough that I want to shoot quick
>as soon as I see the not me, so I don't have to listen to the rest.
>
>
>Ry Schwark
>ry@usl.com

No one ASKED you to "listen" (actually "read").  You CHOSE to
do so.  And this, too, is wasting bandwidth.
-- 
   _  Alan R. Weiss   IBM AWS Austin-AIX Kernel   11501 Burnet Rd, Bld 905
 _| ~-. alan%auntbea.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com | Austin, TX 78758
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <Bzo3B2.Mzy@unix.amherst.edu>,
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <BznvL2.F8n@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> >In article <BznGFH.KBq@unix.amherst.edu>
> >twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> >>... are usually maligned by a hysterical, incredibly myopic media)
> >...  "A hysterical... media"?
> ...
> (Not sure, anyway, if you're arguing with my use of the word
> "hysterical" to describe the mass media, or the use of the word
> "media" in the singular.
> 
> If the last, I'll argue that the Latin has been sufficiently bastardized ...

Gasp!  Tim, "latter", *please*.

And while the etymology police are on the prowl,
you'd do better to avoid a word like "hysterical".
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*borborygmus* n. a sound of flatulence in the intestines"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: outed ... but feel not so good.
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:18:01 GMT

First I must appologized for the negative tone of my subject title.  It
was not intended to discourage anyone from coming out.  It was just how
I felt at the moment I posted.  I am feeling *much* better now thanks
to all those netters who are very supportive of me.

In article <1gu882INNeg3@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.175623.27847@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@laurel.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>
>*hug*  
>
>It was very frightning.  I was wondering if I'll get flamed, or they won't
>respect my opinions, etc ... 
>

Hey hugs back to you.  Well I only received one hate mail and lots of
supportive ones from both het. and non-het.  My coming out post in the
other news group sorta gernerated some interest in the
homosexuality/bisexuality topic.  It is funny to find out that there are
people out there telling me that I could become a homo/bisexual just by
having thoughts about it.  (Looks like I am going to try having a lot of nasty
thoughts ... ).

>->thought realized that I needed more preparation before coming out -- especially
>->in a straight news group.  I wish I had read more here.
>->I found soc.bi about 3 mons ago but had a hard time following it since
>->there are so many articles here and I always missed the original ones.
>->I know I should read this for awhile before I post but oh well ...
>
>*sigh* *gentle backrub* Dear, I heard the guideline is one month .... and I
>certainly didn't follow it, neither did a lot of other ones ...
>

One month?  Humm for me I just came out because there is another bi. on
that news group.  I guess I had this big urge of saying "me too, me too"

>I like to think of soc.bi as, among others, support-space.  You don't have
>to be a veteran muffin to ask for help, or for a hug ... 

*Very* nice to hear.  I did encourage some muffins (who wrote me) to post
here.  So I did the right thing ... 
>
>
>Where do you work (no name required)? Is it a fairly conservative place? It
>it in Colorado? (half :) ).
>
Motorola, Chicago.  People around here (work) are quite conservative I think.
You know they give me stuffs like Bibles and ridicule me when I told them I
voted for Bush ...but I can be pretty mean to them also.
 
>-roy

Hey roy, I feel so good reading your post.  Thanks.



--
|       Daniel Lam  danl@comm.mot.com  Chicago, Il, USA         |  
|...  Merry Xmas, Don't drink and spike, Don't drink and jibe,  |
|  Don't drink and blade, oops this last one does not rythm ....|
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:15:39 GMT

In article <Bzn6C7.FLq@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.224716.8847@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>>We had one bozo here who said-- and I quote:
>>   >>>I can't *see* the point of feminism if it isn't to clue in the type
>>   >>>of person I used to be, and then to continue educating the type of
>>   >>>person I've become.
>
>Somehow, reading that quote out of context it doesn't say what I wanted it
>to say.

Ah, the "out of context" crutch.  This one usually immediately
precedes the "I've got lots of email from people who think exactly
like me."

Well, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and went back and read your
whole article again.  Most of it was about the kind of person you used
to be, and the kind of person you've become.  Little of it, other than
that quote, was about what feminism is or what you perceive it to be.
As far as I can tell, Mara provided exactly as much context as she
needed to, and far more time than anyone should spend.

>It would have been nice of you to ascribe enough humanity to me
>to ask for a clarification.

It wasn't apparent that one was necessary.  Partly for the reasons I
described, and partly for the fact that from the amount of time you
apparently spent on writing that post, which suggested that you had
clarified yourself as much as you saw the need.

As long as we're talking about humanity, it would have been nice of
you to ascribe enough humanity to Mara to permit her to be fallible
every now and then.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Pet peeve of the day.
Keywords: Grumble Moan Complain
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan2.211241.23007@vpnet.chi.il.us> 
orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
> I'm filling the vital need for the one in the gutter.

Get your mind out of the gutter. You're blocking my periscope.

Sorry. Had to be said. ;-)

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:53:03 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: a silly question

What does some turn into when they aren't a mufin any more?

Graydon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
saundrsg@               "Praise then Darkness and Creation unfinished"
   qucdn.queensu.ca                   - U. K. LeGuin
From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a silly question
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:51:59 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


 -Mo lifts her face from the keyboard and peers groggily at the screen. 
The letters drill into the back of her skull and her brain feels like it
was injected with acid while she wasn't there.-

 3rd Jan?  Bloody hell.  Feels like last night was hogmany.
 Um, anybody out there?  Anyone from Edinburgh actually survive the
Tron?  I know I had something to post but its all gone now, I think I'll
do this later.  Oh well, time for bed said zebedee.  

*Hugs* to all, especially those who email me.

 Mo



 Hey, where's my sig gone?
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Marketing (Re: Liberty (was something relevant about ))
Organization: the house on the corner
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:23:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.182337.5767@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>		  JOJO'S GUIDE TO MALE EQILIBERATION
> [deleted for space--recommended reading]

>US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.


Yum, yum.  Delicious, _and_ nutritious.  I have to learn to stop reading
US Jojo at work...


Piglet, turning a faintly brighter shade of pink
Newsgroups: soc.bi