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From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Re: NFL Labor Accord Reached
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:41:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.173354.19239@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.171736.5976@leland.Stanford.EDU> punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi) writes:
>>I want to clarify the concept of a restricted free agent.
>>Does this Labor Agreement define a restricted free agent as a player without a
>>contract and with at least 3 years & not more than 5 years of NFL experience?
>>So, other teams can "bid" for this restricted free agent's services and if 
>>one (B) indeed signs him, then the team that loses him (A) receives a
>>compensatory draft pick (not from B however).  Now, can A match the contract
>>offer of B and then keep the player without getting the compesatory pick?
>>E.g., I believe that Emmitt Smith may be a restricted free agent according
>>to the above definition.
>
>Don't get too excited about Emmitt Smith.  He will either be one of
>Dallas' two protected players or (more likely) their franchise player.

Oh, I am sure Dallas will keep Emmitt if they are willing to pay big bucks.
But, with Plan B, they would have kept him at a bargain price.  In fact, I
heard on NBC that Dallas did not even come close to offering Emmitt 
Barry Sanders-type money in the contract negotiation talks.
Dallas has a lot of young, talented players who could be restricted free
agents over the next couple of years.  Because they are young and talented,
they could be in high demand.
How many years of experience does Barry Foster have in the NFL?

>The thing that I didn't understand (and wasn't mentioned, at least not
>in the Globe) is whether or not, and how often if so, a team can
>change their designation of who's the "franchise" player.  Take for
>instance, Dallas.  This year, they say Smith is their franchise
>player, and sign him to a 6 year deal.  Next year, they say Aikman is
>their franchise player (so he cannot become a free agent (please don't
>hassle me about not being in the league for 5 years - this is just an
>example)), and sign him for a 6 year deal, thus preventing other teams
>from being allowed to bid on him during the contract negotiations.

Every team can have only one franchise player for the duration of that
player's contract!  So, if Emmitt is Dallas's franchise player and has a 
6-year contract, then Dallas CANNOT have another franchise player for the
next 6 years.


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From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:25:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.220421.7381@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>FACTS:  The FAT LADY CHOKED and the DA BILLS came back
>to win the greatest come from behind game in  
>NFL HISTORY. 38-41
>
>FACTS:  Was there ANYONE out there that really thought
>the Bills could come back and win it after they were
>down 35-3? How many of you Bills fans were thinking
>"OH NO!" "Please FOOTBALLS GODS, do something!".

  I met with some other Bills fans to watch the game.  We figured that we
would get together and have some fun, not expecting the Bills to win with
all the people out/banged up.  The game started out worse than expected and
we were already planning on who needed to be traded :)  We wanted Levy out,
Kelly replaced by Montana, and the defensive line replaced by Jerry's kids.
Before halftime one guy left to go to get some work done.  The rest of us
continued drinking/cursing/trading players.  At this point I said that the 
second half would be interesting because the Bills could try anything that
they wanted because they were so far behind.  Dave, the host, stopped    
recording the game.

   The second half:
   Started out bad for us Buffalo fans.  The sound went off the T.V. and the
stereo went on.  We watched the hosts dog drink beer.  On the way to the
bathroom I saw the Bills moving the ball........forward!!!  The stereo went
off, we gathered by the T.V. and Fred (the dog) stayed with his beer.  After
scoring I called for an on-side kick.  Everybody else said that it was too
early for that.  The kick worked!!!!!!!  Fred left his beer and came back 
into the livingroom.  We called the guy who left to give him some shit. 
Dave started recording again.

UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!  We didn't expect the Bills to win in the first place.  We
hade a lot of fun and the outcome was incredible.  The only complaint that
I have with the game was the commentary by Todd Christianson (sp?).  What
an asshole.  Never once did he give the Bills any credit for their tremendous
effort.
>
>I enjoyed the game and the outcome on this game to me,
>HONESTLY, was one of indifference.  I was rooting for
>good plays and as the game started, the Oilers were in
>command. In the second half, the tide turned and again,
>I was rooting for good plays. Da Bills were the victors
>in the 2nd half.  
 
   I really wanted the Bills to kick ass (didn't expect them to) after the  
way Houston pounced all over them the week before.

>
>FACTS:  Beebe stepped out of bounds and it was not
>called and he ran in for a TD. Although this COULD HAVE
>been the game for the Oilers, IMHO, I believe Da Bills
>WOULD HAVE found a way to win this one. 
>-- 

   I thought that Beebe was pushed out by the defender.  Is there a rule
about being pushed out and coming back in?
            ^^^^^^
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

   Chris    a Bills fan
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From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli)
Subject: Re: Eagles One Game from Super Bowl
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:48:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
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I know how excited you are but calm down. I lived in Philly
for 26 years. I followed them when they had Joe Kuharich and
had winless seasons.

I was at the game when they actually won and lost the rights to
draft O.J. Simpson. People actually booed when Tom Woodicheck scored
the winning goal.

I've been following them since I moved to San Francisco and I've learned
one thing.

The Eagles know how to lose............
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 09:15:49 -0500
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In article <1993Jan7.132435.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>hi there it,s hamish here again, with just a few points to take up with all
>you flammers.
>Firstly i am SCOTTISH not bloody English so cut out your references to soccer

Damn, now I have to admit to sharing a common heritage with this idiot...

>violence.This as always been a problem in England, but even they have it under
>control know.In Scotland we have the best behaved fans in the world,at the
>last world cup we were congratulated for our impecable behaviou in italy and at
>the european championships this summer u.e.f.a gave out medals to all the
>scottish fans who traveled to sweeden, because they were the best behaved fans
>there, and had noone arrested.There has,nt been any serious troulble in home
>matches, since we stoped playing the english, as they just came up here looking
>for a barny.So get your facts right Scottish and English football are two
>diffrent ball games.

No, the games are identical. The *fans* however...

[Drug-related blather deleted]

>Oh what about those people whose best comeback is we won the war for you.
>so what if you did,america had know need to get involved in any of the wars,
>but they did saving british lives at the the expense of american lives.I
>don,t know about you but I think we got the better deal.

What the hell does WWI/II have to do with football, American *or*
non-american?  One comment, however:  If America *hadn't* become
involved, what do you think your chances were of even being here today,
hmmm?  We *did* have buisness getting involved, because our allies -
SCOTLAND included, were being pounded to a bloody pulp.

>So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
>of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a bunch
>of couch potatoes.
>notice the use of the dan quale spelling of potato,know there's a clever
>guy.

No argument there...

>Football Players Are Dickless

Hmmm, by his statement there, I do believe he includes soccer players as
well as American football players.  He forgot to qualify his statement!
I just *love* it when people fuck up their own arguments!

Now, listen here fuckhead!  You do this every fucking year, starting a
big flame war about American football sucking compared to soccer.  Get a
fucking clue:  NO ONE CARES, o.k.!  The only reason you get responses is
because the newer readers of this group don't remember all the past flame
wars about this.  Quit wasting our time as well as yours.  Everyone, just
ignore this loser, o.k.  It ain't worth it.

Now where's that kill file......

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:37:43 GMT

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.108.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.021942.1463@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
>>Subject: Re: Dallas! (and SF)
>>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:19:42 GMT


>>[ deleted some text ]
>>I being the MANLY MAN that I am will will NOT reply with such
>>immature statements! :^) I have repented and vowed never to
>>use vulgarities/name calling again. My net.love, ALN, has 
>>changed my ways. :^)
>
>See, real woman can tame ANY BEAST! :-)
>
PANT! PANT! PANT!, SLOBBER! SLOBBER! :-)

>JPG, YOU ARE A SICK PUPPY.  Please leave my initials out of your posts.  
>I am a net.lady! You are net.scoundrel. 
>
OKAY no more using your initials! Besides, everyone already KNOWS! :^)

>REALITY CHECK - Remember YOU ARE on the WEST COAST! I AM ON THE EAST COAST! 
>
TRUE, but ever heard of AIRPLANES?

>Glad you repented, but you still havent apologized for saying Giants fans 
>dont have access to the FBG's.
>
ALRIGHT ALREADY!!!!!! I, John PAUL Gloria apologize to ALL GIANTS fans
for stating they don't have access to the FBG's. Please forgive me,
the net.scoundrel that I am. I really trying to repent, but after years
of being a scum, it is a long hard, narrow path to redemption. :^)

>You always side with caution and the Vegas line.  OOOOOh arent we daring!
>I'll take the Cowboys over SF.  Why?  THEY ARE HUNGRY!  The Defense is 
>psyched!  Young's playoff posture looks like garbage so far.
>
HA! You won't get me suckered into your net.web, you tease YOU! I am as
daring as they cum! NO, the Defense is SCARED! :^) Young will be at his
best, IF NOT, I will personally KILL HIM! :-)

>Wanna make a little bet? :-)  Naaaaa, NEVER MIND.... ;-)
>Adriene

MAN, WHAT A TEASE! BTW, am I forgiven MS. net.lady?

-- 
"A cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man,
and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher
Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 13:17:44 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: besides yell at refs, i mean.

offensive coordinator.  defensive coordinator.  offensive line coach.
defensive line coach.  quarterbacks coach.  running backs coach.
receivers coach.  tight ends coach.  linebackers coach.  secondary
coach.  special teams coach.

what is there for a head coach to do?

bob vesterman.
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills Suck !
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:31:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan12.004005.14284@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>So the Bills beat Pittsburg. Big Deal. Who cares? Even New England
>could've beat Pittsburg. Now that the Bills are sure to bring home
>a paycheck and have fan support, it's time to lose. First, they've 
>got a quarterback controversy. Look for Kelly to run Frank Reich over
>'accidently' with one of those snow plows they have in Buffalo.
>The Bills are escared to death to lose their third Super Bowl in
>a row, they figure it would be better to lose this week. Look for 
>them to throw the game, and grab a nonstop flight from Florida to
>Hawaii, skipping Pasadena,CA altogether.
>They can always argue that they were banged up. and Miami is on a roll.
>
>Prediction: Miami 98 (12 TD passes to Keith Jackson)
>            Buffalo 0
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

  Actually I thought about this as well- if the Bills make it and lose,
they will replace the Broncos as the team that chokes in the SB (who 
replaced the Vikings).  I remember the Broncos playing the Bills hard
in the playoffs when Buffalo went to their second? superbowl.  I was 
thinking that Denver probably didn't want to win that game and face the NFC
opponent then.

  I guess we'll just have to wait and see who really wants it more.  I
know Danny Boy really wants one of those big fancy rings, and Shula has
the chance to be the only coach to take a team to the superbowl in four
successive decades (60s- Colts; 70s,80s- Dolphins; 90s???).

  Doug
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:33:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.191522.2505@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3
>
>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>Does anyone want a play by play?
>

I love it!  A post that rivals the infamous "Dewey Wins!!" headline
of 1951.  :-)
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From: dbarring@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Dwayne Barrington)
Subject: Seattle Fans - Bob Spitulski
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: dbarring@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Dwayne Barrington)
Organization: Harris GISD


Seattle Fans or Followers,

How's Bob Spitulski doing?  I know he was
injured earlier in the year.

He was an awsome linebacker at the University
of Central Florida.

Dewayne
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:41:53 GMT

In article <1ibh1kINNe69@crcnis1.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>                        If NE keeps the first pick, I would predict they
>would pick a defensive player.  I hope they pick Marvin Jones, but would be
>happy with Curry or Copeland from Alabama.  Their dire needs IMHO are the
>offensive line and WRs, and there isn't anybody worth wasting a #1 pick in
>either of those categories.

Whoa!  Lincoln Kennedy, the OT from Washington could well be the first
offensive player taken if this mad dash for the QBs doesn't happen.  I
see him going in the top six picks.  Granted, I don't see any wideouts
going in the top six picks at this point,  but guys like Lamar Thomas,
Qadry Ismail, O. J. McDuffie, and Horace Copeland will get serious at-
tention later in the round.
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|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:57:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <C0I5Ev.JIn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Bea
son) writes:
>I'm curious, don't y'all wonder how poorly Joe accepts his back-up role,
>especially when compared with Young?  How long has Young been a "team
>player"?
>--
>
>Gary Beason
>Purdue University
>bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
>
Of course, he's accepting it poorly.  What quarterback of his quality wouldn't?
-- 

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From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Intimidation Factor? : 'Boys/Eagles
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Reply-To: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:47:34 GMT



After talking to some relatives in Philly and hearing some of the Philly
based media types there appears to be a growing myth that the Cowboys
are afraid of the Eagles.  I'm not sure what "afraid" means in this 
context, but unless the Eagles are taking small arms into Texas Stadium
this weekend the Cowboys will be relatively safe Sunday, or as safe
as you can be in a high stakes professional football game. 

The intimidation factor has little to do with the outcome of
professional games in general and matters less in the playoffs. The
men involved have already played a gruelling 16 game schedule to
rise to the top. If the "intimidation factor" counted for much in
this league the postseason would have been dominated by the Eagles
and Raiders for years. Fact is the only intimidating team to win the
SB in the last decade is Da Bears. The 9ers\Skins\Giants\Bears did it
with good solid on the field play not by resorting a bunch of cheap
talk, cheep hits or dragging shrines to dead guys around the country.
This strictly bush-league stuff which doesn't have much affect on the 
other side and tends to make perpetrator look unprofessional if not
downright silly. 

Now if the Eagles enjoy this style or get a lift out of "intimidation"
so be it. But don't live under some delusion that it matters any more
to the outcome of the game than me wearing my lucky socks on Sunday.

The game will be played on the field, thats where it will be settled.
The winner will prevail because of supperior play and problably a
lucky break or two for good measure.

The Cowboys (or any team left at this point) are not "scared" of
anybody. They certainly have a healthy respect for a tough opponent as
they should. The Eagles are very capable of winning this weekend if
they put together a good game. They are also capable of blowing their
emotional wad in what is just another stepping stone to the ultimate
goal, a Super Bowl title. For evidence recall the games following the 
Oct. 5 Monday night match-up.

My greatest fear is that when/if the Eagles make it to the SB that 
they'll be exhuming bodies and suiting them up to get that
emotional high they seem crave so much.

Jeff Martin
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From: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Randall, Emmitt, and "The Catch"
Originator: mcanders@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu (MATTHEW CHRISTOPHER ANDERSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:00:27 GMT


Philly has a tough choice in the next draft...

Do they draft an offensive line or an actual quarterback first?

Is there anyone who doubts Emmitt is the best running back?

I too cheered for the Niners over the skins' because as much as
I wanted home field for da Boyz, "The Catch" devistated me (I was
only 7 but believe me it did) and I have wanted a chance at the
Niners ever since.

Over/Under on TV replays of "The Catch" this week is currently 40.
I saw it 9 times yesterday alone.

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From: lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz)
Subject: Congratulations Bill's
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:39:13 EST


Being a devoted Steelers fan, I'm disappointed with the outcome of
yesterdays playoff game.  Disappointed but not surprised.  The Bill's
are a veteran playoff team. While the Steelers are very young and
inexperienced.  So what can you say?  If you're a Steelers fan say,
"Wait till next year!"   If you're a Bill's fan, "Way to go Bill's,
keep on rollen!"  If you're simply an AFC fan, "If you make it to the
SB this time Buffalo, DON'T BLOW IT AGAIN, this is getting embarrassing!"  
Whatever or whomever your favorite team is, Pro Football is without a
doubt (IMHO) the greatest sport in the world.

                                                 LOU

 GO STEELERS -"93"
 GO AFC BRING THAT TROPHY BACK WHERE IT BELONGS!!!



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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: The Saints Cha-Choke
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:24:54 GMT

In article <103679@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>In article <184760@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert) writes:
>>In article <C0B9xq.2Fn@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>*In article <103579@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>!Next week... the 2 bst games in the NFC: Eagles at Dallas, Skins at 49ers!
>*
>*What does that say about the NFC East when 3 of the final 4 teams are all from
>*the NFC East? Deffinately the toughest division of the NFL.
>
>>Playing the best team of the last decade: the Niners.
>>
>>George Lambert
>
>Seriously, I can't believe everyone is ignoring the Niners in many of the

Net.experts may ignore them.  I bet the 'skins aren't.

>posts I've seen.  They had the best record in the NFL and look pretty
>unstopable and all I hear is Eagles and Cowboy woofs.  C'mon Niner fans,
>join in !!!!!

Isn't woofing the sign that you really aren't sure about your team, and
hope to make it up by putting down the opponent or hyping yourself? :-)

Actually, I thought we 49er fans decided to be good and not woof - just
let our team go out on the field and play.  For me, this is a great
playoffs - the two best teams of the 80s (AND 90s to date)        
Redskins/49ers meeting in the playoffs.  If the 49ers win, the
oddsmakers predict that we would face the Cowboys (I'm not predicting
a winner - I have no idea who will win that game :-)).  A 49ers/Cowboys
NFC championship game is the stuff in which legends can be made.

>
>satish nair
>ray is gone!
>
>


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