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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Stardate Conversion?
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:00:37 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
>How the Hell do you determine Stardates?!??!   (EX:  What's the SD for
>10/13/92??)

There isn't any way to do this.  TOS stardates were simply plucked out
of the air, following no formula.  TNG stardates are geared to
Paramount's production schedule, not to any conversion from calendar
dates.  Since the only organized method for determining them is only
loosely based on the terrestrial calendar, there is no straightforward
conversion.

Here is what we know:

1. The integral portion of the stardate is 24 hours long, and the
fraction represents the elapsed fractional part of a day.  (TNG
Writers' Guide).

2. TNG stardates are computed as follows.  The first digit is 4
[presumably for the 24th century].  The next digit is the TNG
production season [currently 6].  The final three integral digits are
evenly distributed among the episodes for that season.  Whether this
means that there are 1000 days in a production season or that
stardates start over after 4x365 is not specified.  (TNG Technical
Manual).

3. The base year for computation is 2364 AD (TNG "The Neutral Zone").

4. The association between calendar dates and stardates is muddled by
an unspecified correction for relativistic and/or warp-induced
effects, hence linear correspondence to terrestrial calendars may be
impossible.  (G. Roddenberry, TNG Technical Manual, several others).

[shameless plug follows]

I have written a program to compute a pseudostardate.  That is, it is
a number which behaves over time like I think a stardate should, but
isn't guaranteed to match stardates given on Star Trek.  It is
available via anonymous FTP from ftp.cis.ksu.edu in /pub/Startrek.  It
works on Unix and MuSh-DOS boxes, and I've even heard rumors that
someone ported it to VMS.

Jacob Ben-david Zimmerman has adapted it to the Macintosh.  Check
archives of comp.sys.mac.binaries; I don't know any more than that.

According to the program, this article was posted on stardate 33888.8.
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Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

You forgot "The Big Goodbye."
"It was a rainy day on the city by the bay. . ."
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST books - some observations
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:55:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

kanamori sez

> Zebee writes:


>>As a contrast, I have read all of Diane Duane's ST novels several times.  With
>>her the plots are good, but the writing is enough to get me to re-read the
>>books just to delight in the dialogue. 

>Well-written TOS dialogue almost always *is* better than well-written TNG
>dialogue.

Why?  I suspect it may be because the characters are intrinsically
better - they are almost designed for snappy dialogue.  I find the 
TNG characters much less interesting.  I like Picard, but 
what can you do with him Dialogue wise?  

Do you suppose this is why TNG novels rate so  low in the Trek Rate
ballots?  

Because the characters make it so hard to write good books?


>GhostWalker.
>>was so awful on a quick flip
>>through that I didn't bother buying it.

>I think you judged it a bit too quickly. I found it a solid read, one
>of the few solid Trek novels produced that year. It's true that the
>surface premise doesn't "grab" you like "Vendetta" does, but it's
>a solid adventure flick and a good treatment of a tried-and-true Trek
>theme. Give it a shot.

OK, on that recommendation I'll see if I can find a copy.  What I disliked
was some pretty awful lines noticed when flipping through.


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From: smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Let's put this on a FAQL (Re: O'Brien's Rank)
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:38:36 GMT
	<BvtDL3.2nI@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Oct8.181007.4785@stsci.edu>
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB

In article <1992Oct8.181007.4785@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

   >>OK, so the rank O'Brien had in "The Realm of Fear" was that of Ensign
   >>(either full of JG) whether the pip was solid or not.  Fine.  But
   >>wasn't O'Brien a Lieutenant in earlier episodes?

   >No.  Then, now, and always, Chief Petty Officer.

   Up until "Realm of Fear", I always thought that O'Brien was a
   Lieutenant, Worf's stepfather's exclamation notwithstanding.  I now
   think he is a Chief Petty Officer, and for the last two-three years
   Colm Meany was in the wrong costume.

Don't add this to the FAQ!  In the second seaason Riker refers to
O'Brien as Lieutenant in "Where Silence Has Lease" when Riker and Worf
beam over to the fake Galaxy-class vessel.
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
Sten Drescher                  | There are men who seem like more than men.
AL/HRTI                        | Living examples of what we could be if we
Brooks AFB, TX 78235           | tried.  They are men of courage, compassion,
-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil | presidential candidates.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: New Trek Offering from Hallmark???
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct5.182846.8325@cbfsb.cb.att.com> bneves@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (barbara.a.neves) writes:
<Regarding those mysterious Startrek waterglobes...they are NOT a Hallmark
<item.  I put my order in for one back in August at a store in Altemonte
<Springs, FL on Route 436 called "The Christmas Collection." (407-862-5383)

In a round-about way it is a Hallmark item.  The company that is making the
product is owned by Hallmark.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: (Kirk vs Picard) & (Bush vs Clinton vs Perot)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: 16 OCT 92 14:29:27    

In article <7727@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes...

>> Maybe this will teach those little weasels a lesson.
> 
>Naaa.  I understand that Bill Clinton thinks that LOST IN SPACE was better
>than Star Trek.

Yeah, I can't believe nobody asked the candidates whether they think
TOS or TNG is better.  You can really tell a lot about a person from 
this one fact.  The networks must have scripted the questions.

(I'd also like to know what they think on the Kirk vs Picard issue.)

JGH
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From: bperles@iastate.edu (Brian P Perles)
Subject: Re: BEST TEASERS????
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:12:00 GMT

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	We seem to have forgoten "First Duty".  Takeone way,
our hated ensign could have been dead!!!!!!

		Saddy, the only good part of the show was the teaser.  :(
					

				Ah well,
					Brian
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Real Evidenence of the Borg on Earth!
Keywords: borg
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:39:10 GMT


  Okay, here it is:

  On my campus, they have a program where companies from the "real world"
come on campus to interview us peons who want jobs when we graduate.  We get
a weekly list of who's coming, and it seems DEC (Digital Equipment
Corporation) is coming soon.  Well, in the little burb about the positions
being interviewed for, it says:

  "...various course offerings to assist in your corporate assismilation and
your continued technical development."

  Eeek!

  The assismilation part is bad enough, but hell, they even state that you will
be modified ("technical development"!)!

  I'm not interviewing with them!

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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Subject: Re: Beverly Crushers year long absence on ST:TNG
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:00:27 GMT

In article <BvtHMs.IFM@acsu.buffalo.edu> rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King) writes:
>henryk@miki.pictel.com (Keith Henry) writes:
>
>>What was the official explanantion (both on show and off) for the absence of
>>Beverly Crusher for the year that the actress Diana Muldare (sp?) was chief
>>medical officer?
>
>By the show:  She was promoted to StarFleet Medical and was transferred.
>
>By real life: I believe she wanted to do other projects (ie Hunt for Red 
>October ?). I believe she worked on this during her 'sebatical'.
>

I thought she got booted from the show because someone didn't like her.

The conventions seemed to imply that her departure was kept secret.

Flip


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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: Peter David-let him be
Keywords: Peter David ,probe ,imzadi
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:54:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.170640.18506@hubcap.clemson.edu> bburnet@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>It has been my observation that anything PAD writes on the boards, whether 
>this one or the comics boards or what have you, inevitably leads to some 
>assault on him.  Any time he states an opinion, he is accused of 
>'condescending to us pions'.  

I don't know about _you_, but "I am not a sub-atomic particle, I am a
free man!".

However, reading this group for a while will convince you that there are
a lot of net.denizens that are mainly made up of Bozons.

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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: General question
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:08:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.122356.5818@gw.wmich.edu> adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <78313.4.719055241@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de>, 78313@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Christian_Karpp) writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a question concerning both TOS and TNG:
>> Could someone please tell the exact formular to compute the STARDATE?
>
>
>
>Oh God.......
>
>Fran Adams

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From: lbrother@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Larry Brothers)
Subject: Perot a Ferengi?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:09:57 GMT


Think about it:

1) He has big ears.

2) He is short.

3) He is a 'businessman'.

Yes, folks, it's true:  Ross Perot is a Ferengi!  They came to Earth during
the Depression, leaving their unholy seed in Texarkana, TX (among other places,
no doubt) and split, unaware of the consequences of their lusty actions.

Now, Perot the technocrat stands a better-than-outside chance of actually being
elected president of the United States of America, pioneers of outer space.
Following a big R&D push, some bright boy or girl in diapers today invents the
warp drive, and the rest is future history.  

Maybe this will teach those little weasels a lesson.

Larry
From: bob@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com (Bob D'Amore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Barclay actor
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:55:08 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Oceanport NJ

In article <MGATES.92Sep30133709@entiat.boeing.com> mgates@entiat.boeing.com (Michael Gates) writes:
>
>
>Is the actor who plays Barclay the same guy who played the crazy guy 
>from the A-Team?
>--
>et tu mgates?

Sure is.  Dwight Shultz is is name and he played Murdoch on the A-Team.


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: ST books - some observations
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:55:26 GMT

In article <BvwwKn.8ry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.181745.1824@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>
>>Did you enjoy Ishmael, too?  I had no idea what I was getting into when
>>I started that book.  I thought it was just fabulous!  The key to loving
>>that book was that you really had to be a 'Here Come the Brides' fan to
>>appreciate the connection with Spock's dad and Aaron Stemple, both played
>>by the same actor.  I just loved it!  
>
>But if you've never seen the other show, the references to it are
>annoying (in the sense that they're an "in-joke" that you're not privy
>to), and the book doesn't really have any other qualities.  I've always
>thought that Ishmael was one of the worst (at least, before
>"Dreadnought!" :)

Well I've never seen the other show (or was even aware of a connection)
when I read "Ishmael" and I enjoyed it reasonably well (it grew better
on rereadings too -- that's two good signs (one, that there *was* a rereading
and two, that it improved).). It was a bit too understated perhaps --
given its lighthearted premise, it could have been a bit "wilder" for us
non-insiders.

Agreed fully about "Dreadnought!" however.

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From: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM (Peter Taylor - Sun Toronto)
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS *SPOILERS*
Reply-To: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:16:11 GMT


john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
> mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu writes:
> > I suppose my favorite ending is from Journey to Babel [...]
> 
> My favorite TNG ending is currently "The Hunted". 

Sorry, John.....this posting should have been spoiler-protected....











> In this show, an
> escaped prisoner turns out to be a former soldier who was brainwashed
> and altered to be a killing machine.  When Picard protests his being in
> in prison despite having committed no crime, Picard is told that this
> is a "matter of internal security" and the big E has no jurisdiction.
> 
> The prisoner escapes from the Enterprise and his group of former troops
> invades the offices of the planet's government.  Picard is there at the
> time.  At a critical moment, with the prisoner pointing a blaster at
> the governer's head, the governer pleads for Picard's help.  Picard says
> that there is nothing he can do because this is obviously a "matter of
> internal security".  As the away team prepares to beams out, Picard goes
> on to say that their planet will be considered for admission to the federation
> after it develops more fully, and he has a feeling that it will develop
> significantly in the next few minutes.
> 
> I was impressed with Picard's very subtle but effective way of saying "in
> your face".

I agree with you, and you bring to mind another episode that follows the same
lines.  I think it was "Symbiosis" ........






where Picard has to choose "who gets the narcotic cargo?" and ends up 
awarding it one way but refusing to help repair the ship that has been 
moving the cargo from the planet it's manufactured on to the planet that
is addicted to it.  He invoked the PD to the letter and in doing so forced
the two planets to find another way to live together.

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From: mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike Coren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Worf in STVI: TUC
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:55:49 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <Bw25q9.o7@cosy.sbg.ac.at> bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Brigitte Jellinek) writes:
>
>
>I just read the quotes from STVI:TUC und hit on the name
>of the klingon who defended Kirk & McCoy in the trial: Colonel WORF.
>Now he can't possibly be the Worf of TNG. But then again ..??
>I *think* I saw Michael Dorns name in the credits, but I'm not too sure
>about that.
>
>
>So, please tell me:  WHO IS THIS WORF-PERSON SUPPOSED TO BE ?
>
>
>thanks in advance
>
>     Brigitte
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>live long           "In that case, Mr Spock, I would like to ask
> and prosper           a question" Saavik in 'the pandora principle'
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

It was my understanding that in order to provide some continuity between the
"old" and the "new" Star Treks, the producers of STVI:TUC had Michael Dorn
play the Klingon you speak of, who was supposed to be the grandfather of
STTNG's Worf.


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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: TREK RATE results (TAS)
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00: 02:05 -0500
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:02:05 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00: 01:21 CDT

This is one of seven periodic postings for ratings of Star Trek in all flavors:

TREK RATE ballot           - for sending in your votes!
TREK RATE results (TAS)    - what the USENET community thought of TAS eps
TREK RATE results (DS9)    - what the USENET community thought of DS9 eps
TREK RATE results (BOOKS)  - what the USENET community thought of the novels
TREK RATE results (MOVIES) - what the USENET community thought of the movies
TREK RATE results (TNG)    - what the USENET community thought of TNG eps
TREK RATE results (TOS)    - what the USENET community thought of TOS eps
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first is the ballot for sending in your votes (see it for details).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The last five postings contain the average rating for  each episode, movie,
book, etc.  according to the Usenet population.  It is  useful for deciding
which books to read (weed out the one that NO one enjoyed), what episode of
TNG people thought was the best (or worst), etc.

In the list below, RATE is the average rating on a scale of 0 to  1, NUM is
the number of votes  in the  database, and  EPISODE NAME  is (surprise) the
episode name with type  (A=TAS B=book D=DS9 M=movie N=TNG O=TOS)  in paren-
thesis.



 RATE NUM                     EPISODE NAME
----- --- ------------------------------------------------------------
0.273  12 BEM (A) 
0.403  15 INFINITE VULCAN, THE (A) 
0.433  13 HOW SHARPER THAN A SERPENT'S TOOTH (A) 
0.435  10 PIRATES OF ORION, THE (A) 
0.438  13 AMBERGRIS ELEMENT, THE (A) 
0.446  15 LORELEI SIGNAL, THE (A) 
0.461  10 BEYOND THE FARTHEST STAR (A) 
0.471  12 JIHAD (A) 
0.487   8 ALBATROS (A) 
0.493  13 PRACTICAL JOKER (A) 
0.500  11 TERRATIN INCIDENT, THE (A) 
0.502  13 MAGICKS OF MEGAS-TU, THE (A) 
0.506   9 SURVIVOR, THE (A) 
0.508  13 EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, THE (A) 
0.540  10 ONE OF OUR PLANETS IS MISSING (A) 
0.558  12 COUNTER CLOCK INCIDENT, THE (A) 
0.570  10 ONCE UPON A PLANET (A) 
0.575  14 MUDD'S PASSION (A) 
0.612  13 MORE TRIBBLES, MORE TROUBLES (A) 
0.652  15 TIME TRAP (A) 
0.712  16 SLAVER WEAPON (A) 
0.727  13 YESTERYEAR (A)
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Italian Star Trek
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:46:29 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I recently requested the Star Trek Intro in Italian.  That same
day I posted the same request in soc.culture.italian and received
8 e-mails in less than 24 hours.  Thanks to the origional poster
who asked for it in German. That gave me the idea. My maiden name
is Giacobone.  Now I will have a Christmas gift for damn near
every member of my family.

Fran Adams
From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Transporter Room Sel.
Date: 12 Oct 1992 23:01:16 GMT
Organization: UCB Space Sciences Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu

I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but
how does Picard & Co. choose which transporter (or?) room
to use?  I would think when leaving the bridge, there
would be one that would be closest and thus most expedient
to get to, but they switch quite a bit.  I don't have any layouts,
so I don't know how they are configured in respect to
the bridge.  Does anyone know?  Or are the rules for the
writers "Just choose a number that is less tha 10."?


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