HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:37:10 GMT
Organization: a2i network

In article <740.2B0A0AFE@mechanic.Fidonet.org> Jay.Ashworth@f8649.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth) writes:
> [Tacoma Narrows Bridge]
>
>Indeed.  Jon Bentley, in _More_Programming_Pearls_, (an excellent book for
>other reasons...) mentions that the only suspension bridge from that era
>still standing is the George Washington, in New York.
>
The Bay and Golden Gate bridges were built at about the same time, and
seem quite sound.

Phil
-- 
Phil Gustafson <phil@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Child Molestors - internationally organized?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:51:35 GMT

leb@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (BASEL, LESLIE) writes:
: >: 
: >As far as organized child molestation groups - I don't think they exist.
: >Certainly, there are prostitution "rings" - there are "rings" which will
: >supply anything for which a person is willing to pay a sufficient price.
: >I have seen no documentation that they are organized. In other words, 
: >some of the "rings" may know each other - but I doubt if they are organized
: >into cooperative groups. I might be wrong - is there anyone posting here  
: >who lives in one of the countries that allows child prostitution?
: > 
: >Bill
: 
: The name of the U.S. org. is NAMBLI (or something close) - 
: North American Man/boy Love I(something).

They are not child molesters. They are also not very well organized. They
have to rely on the good graces of other groups - before they get any
attention.

I doubt seriously if they even are guilty of statutory rape. They seem to
avoid getting into trouble with the law. This is a fairly good indication
that any sexual relationships are between consenting adults.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: LSD Laced Lick-on Tattoos
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov16.212039.12377@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo) writes:
>: bill nelson writes:
>: > [blue star tattoo stuff deleted]
>: >
>: > I do not recall hearing it before the early to mid seventies.
>: 
>: Nah, it's at least from the sixties. I remember I got some home brewed leaflet
>: during grade school. Don't think this UL started in Norway...
>
>Well, during the early 60s, the students in my school used alcohol. No one
>seemed to be interested in other drugs. So, no warnings.
>
>Was lsd in popular usage at the time? It was my impression that there was
>little usage until the late 60s and early 70s - far too soon for parents
>to start panicking about their grade school children. At that time, it was
>just the hippies and other dropouts who used the drug.

LSD became popular in research about 1965.  Timothy Leary was playing
around with it at that time, and he was starting to tout it's use to
expand the consciousness.

LSD was not covered by any Massachusetts laws until about 1968/69.

I've never understood the panic, as the effects of LSD are far too apparent
and long lasting ( up to 12 hours ) for a parent to not recognize that
something is not quite right.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Snuff film?
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 05:02:12 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov18.155402.24297@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
>It seems like people who deny the existence of snuff films have forgotten about
>Faces of Death. While no one (that I know of) was killed for the purpose of the
> videos, it certainly shows people dying.

Not forgotten, just sort of wishing it would go away.  Together with
everyone who keeps bringing the tired subject up again.

>Also, I think the arguement should be more centered around the contention
>of gangs of people who kidnap women and kill them for movies.

It could not be centered such any more than it already is.

>However, I find it most UNLIKELY that some sicko or sickos 
>HAVEN'T recorded their atrocities, especially with the easy access to vidoe 
>equipment these days.

Such films are known, and are not snuff.


Hugh "3-sided snuff lemur" Grierson
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
    Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
     of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]
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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Calvin/Hobbes...)
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:25:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41182
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bxvwr0.5EE@news.iastate.edu>, cmriggin@iastate.edu (Christin M Riggins) writes:
>
>Unfortunately, at this point I can't remember the rest of the words but I think
>it was something along the lines of "Green scales fell like rain."  If you're
>really interested in it, the song was recorded by Peter, Paul and Mary.  I'm 
>not sure if you can find it on tape any more, but if you go to a music store
>you might be able to find a Peter, Paul and Mary song book.
>

And, in fact, it was _written_ by Peter Yarrow (he was in Peter Paul
and Mary; I forget which one he was).

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Sci.med? Puff the Magic Dragon? Huh?)
-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
Subject: Re:  Frozen Waste
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:49:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov14.193504.8880@ac.dal.ca> egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Frozen waste from airplane toilets crashing through windows etc. on its
>descent after being released from a plane is impossible.  
>An airplane moves at hundreds of miles
>an hour at heights of 35,000 feet (approx.) so any waste that is ejected is 
>immediately obliterated into a billion pieces.  

Sounds like you're assuming aircraft toilets are similar to old-fashioned
train toilets, where when you flush a flapper valve opens and the stuff
falls out.

Not so.  Waste from aircraft toilets goes into a holding tank.  The contents
of the tanks are (normally) pumped out when the aircraft is serviced on the
ground.  The falling frozen waste problem most likely occurs when one of
the holding tanks leaks slowly, forming a lump of frozen material on the
outside of the fuselage.  When the plane descends to an altitude where
the temperature is above freezing, the lump starts to melt and breaks
loose.  Bombs away.

I have personally seen, on two occasions, Pan Am 727s with suspicious-
looking blue streaks on the outside of the rear fuselage near the
holding tank ports, so leaks aren't that uncommon.  (This isn't
necessarily an indictment of Pan Am - it's just that their color
scheme was mostly white, so the blue streaks showed up well.)

Larry "Yes, I do have a life -
       I just like to go to airports and look at planes sometimes" Doering

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Will pay money for food.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:49 EST  

In article <1992Nov16.083415.16929@news.columbia.edu>, 
  lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes...

>Do you think that the election of say, JFK, represents a "fair" use of the
>Electoral College where the popular vote was so close, yet the Electoral
>vote is quite a different ratio?

Yes.  Popular vote on a national scale is irrelevant.  Our president isn't
chosen by one national election; he's chosen by 50 regional ones.

>My point is that Electoral votes will never allow the closeness of these 
>calls to be rightfully remembered.

So what?  Popular vote totals don't count in our system.

>Also, how do you account for the election of Lincoln with only 39% of the 
>popular vote?  Was that a regional crank election?

That's not a representative example, since several states were on the verge of
breaking away from the union.  In any case, Lincoln had the broadest popular
support of any of the candidates, so he won, just as he should have.  His
popular vote total is irrelevant.

 - snopes

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From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Fabrikant case--did it happen?
Keywords: murder
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:34:36 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

In article <Bxw60D.ICr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mcwg9235@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marsha Woodbury ) writes:
>I need some information ASAP--
>at what school did The Fabrikant case take place.

Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec.

>Did it?

It certainly did.  August 24, 1992 I believe.  It was a Monday anyway.  I
remember because I was at work on a Monday when I heard it on the radio.

>is it an urban legend or what?

No, it's completely true.  Look in any major newspaper around Aug 25 or 26
and it should be there (especially here in Canada).

>my information is that this guy was a disgruntled
>grad student  who lost it and went on a shooting
>spree,killing innocent people.

Nope, it was a disgruntled prof who thought that the administration was
against him, etc.  I don't know the full story behind it.

>Urban myth?

No.

>Reality?

Too real for the Concordia community.

>Thanks.
>Please respond to me directly.
>
>-- 
>Marsha Woodbury   marsha-w@uiuc.edu
>A simile is like a metaphor.
>University of Illinois, Middle of Nowhere


-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario | "Je suis professeur.  C'est a dire que, hors d'une classe,
Canada!!          |  je ne suis bon a rien."  - Topaze
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:51:02 GMT

In article <TRIF.92Nov16154954@bike.rad.washington.edu> trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.193529.1384@vicorp.com> jmethot@vicorp.com (John Methot) writes:
>
>   This would be a great explanation except for the existence of one other
>   major difference between the SX and DX intel processors.  The DX procs
>   have 32 bit wide access to the motherboard's data bus, while the data
>   path on SX's is only 16 bits wide.  Both have 32 bit *internal* data busses.
>   The SX were actually made *on purpose* to be plug compatible with older
>   (16 bit data bus) motherboards.
386SX is 16 bits wide externally, and not compatible with anything.  There
is a board sold by Kingston Data Systems that allows a 386SX to plug into
it, and then the composite is plugged into the 80286 socket on the motherboard.

To complicate matters, there is now a non-Intel chip that calls itself 486SX
and it is a 16-bit external chip also.  It is pin-compatible with the 386SX
and presumably could be not only dropped in as a replacement for 386SX
designs (note, most of the cheap 386SX designs *solder* the CPU chip in!),
but also in that Kingston board for use in upgrading a 286 machine to a
486 albeit only 16 megs of memory maximum.  (This 16-bit 486SX chip,
the 386SX, and the 80286 all have the 16-meg limit due to the 16-bit memory
buss.)

>
>   The "half defective" explanation above *does* apply to processors of
>   varying speed.  A 20MHz x86 is the same as a 25 or 33MHz except for the
>   existence of some manufacturing defect that prevents it from passing
>   functional tests at the higher speed.
>
>You are mixing up the 486 and 386 versions of SX and DX.  A stupid move on
>Intel's part, IMHO, but c'est la vie.  A 486 SX has a disabled co-processor.
>A 386 SX has the smaller external path.
>
>As far as speed differences go, you are mostly right.  I'm not sure I would
>call it a manufacturing defect in the sense that if you buy a low speed chip
>that you are getting a defective chip.  A 20MHz chip just might be able to
>pass a 25MHz test, but you'll never know unless you try it and blow the chip.

The chip doesn't blow up, it merely fails to execute the instructions, thus
it won't run programs.  Most boxes have a "turbo" switch so you can first
run it at a much lower speed.  Once you get a diagnostic program going, raise
the speed and watch it either work or fail, possibly not even being able
to report the errors.

cjl






Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Is my father lying?
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:53:41 GMT

C521832@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu wrote:
: My dad told me this, and I'm curious about it. I also think that, if true,
: it's likely to crop up at some point.
:  
: He's worked as a DJ at an AM radio station for more than 20 years. He says
: AM transmitter antennas are dangerous, in that if you touch one while
: standing on the ground, you will be electrocuted--the current will go
: through you to the ground and fry you.
:  
: He says ladders on the sides of such towers (for engineers) begin a foot
: or so off the ground. Engineers have to make a little hop onto them
: to avoid touching the ground and the tower at the same time.
:  
: Periodically, he says, kids or engineers (equally likely!) get zapped.
:  
: SO: Is this true? And if so...well, just keep it in mind! It may come up..
:  
: Rev "tore down a homemade Shergold flyer recently to my girlfriend's horror"
: John
There is a lot of juice around an AM transmitter.  You can feel it when
you stand next to it.  I don't know if you can really get elctrocuted,
but I does not strike me as too unreasonable.
-- 
: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us  :  A man said to the universe:     : Stephen    :
: or vagrant@holonet.net   :    "Sir, I exist!"               : Crane      :
:                          :  "The fact has not created in me : 1899       :
:  Apple II Forever        :   a sense of obligation."        :            :
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Rheum w/ a Vieux (was: protocols of a.f.u question
Keywords: Put any old crap up here, they never check; steel catarrh?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:10:12 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Trelford T. "And the T stands for Trelford T. Pinkerton" Pinkerton writes:
>About the "voracity" thing -- it all started when some buttinski
>had a very hungry grandmother, and tried to put an Old Hat down
>for questioning her voracity.
>
>Of course, the little weiner was roasted from here to Pittsburgh
>and back, but the unfortunate misspelling caught on.    
>
>I for one am sick of it now.  We see so much crap grammar and spelling
>from those who know no better, that your intelligence falls by 1% each 
>hour you're on the net.   To add more for the fun of it is getting a bit vieux.
>
Well, as the Old Flat Cap* who brought up the question, I must
report that the Loyal Keeper of the FAQ has included the mistake
with the mystique in the rolls. Had I read the motto section, I
would have known. So, our lesson for the day, class: read the 
whole FAQ, pre-post, and you'll know better. 

*the better to cover my flat head 
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> My bad.     
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
Subject: Re: Calvin/Hobbes diagnosed as clinical schizophrenic
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:49:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: harvee.H.ea.TLVmekwhPh_
	<1992Nov13.153341.21916@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<lg8f1hINNc86@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <BD.92Nov16072534@fluent.UUCP>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Distribution: usa
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <BD.92Nov16072534@fluent.UUCP>, Brice Dowaliby writes:
>linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>
>>ObUL:  wrapping even a ribbon around the midriff of a cat
>>       puts it off-balance.
>>
>>ObUL2: Lard'n'sugar does the same for 'gators.
>
>Trelford - how do you wrap the lard and sugar around
>the gator's midriff?
tell us, trelf, i'm just dying to know.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Empress is Dead
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:15:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes...

  +>Tomorrow (Nov. 17) is the 196th anniversary of the death of
  +>Catherine the Great.  That's all I have to say; it should be
  +>sufficient to start a thread of several months' duration.

What's the big deal?  She died of a hernia.


Terry "Or blown piles" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Child Molestors - internationally organized?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:51:12 GMT

kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes:
: 
: In sci.crypt, an interesting discussion is going on, in which
: the following claim is attributed to a law enforcement official:
: 
: >
: >   In  response,  and  I  draw  from  memory  of the conversation
: >   [with the police officer],  Child molestation   and  pedophiles   are
: >   a   well-organized  group   both  nation-wide  and internationally.

According to some people from the UK - pedophilia seems to be fairly
well established there. It is not in the US.

Here in the US - most child molesters are relatives of the child, usually
the father or uncle. There are no organized groups anywhere in the world,
that has been documented.

There are police officers etc - who believe both exist. But then, there
are police officers who believe in devils and evil satanic cults also.
The FBI, amoung other investigative bodies, has denied finding any evidence
of any such groups - Child molesters, pedophiles, devils or evil satanic 
cults.

Until some real evidence, and not the hysterical ravings of some rather
unbalanced people, I think we will have to assume that they do not exist.
At least, not here in the US. I have never been able to get anyone in the
UK , or elsewhere in Europe, to provide me with anything more than claims
that such exist there. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Snuff film?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:19:35 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
: 
: I also agree that this people are certainly capable of doing so.  If
: evidence of such films arose, I think most people who currently say
: "snuff films don't exist, because there's not evidence", will say,
: "well, there's the evidence, snuff films exist" (along with other 
: sentiments such as "hang those motherf*ckers").  But the question is
: not "Can you BELIEVE people couldn't/can't/didn't do such a thing?".
: After all, people who maintain this position thus far are not doing
: it out of naivete.  In fact, many are among the most cynical, hard-
: boiled sons-of-bitches around (sorry, Bill).  But it is done so on

Me? Cynical? Hard-boiled? I thought such terms were reserved for
Terries and wana-be terries.

: the basis of lack of evidence.  This does not mean that they may
: not have their own suspicions, but they don't commit the error of
: mistaking their own conceptions and beliefs for reality in the lack
: of any evidence that it's correct.

Exactly.

... deleted ...

: Whether or not a snuff film is found though, this is still an urban
: legend since urban legends don't exist solely because they are false.

Yep - something that many people forget. 

: But the snuff debate has gotten to the point where with all the rancor
: about "snuff films being made all over the place" with no evidence
: at all, some people remain adamant about asking for evidence.

Just like reasonable people respond to other hysterical claims.

: Terry "Faces of Snuff" Chan

Bill "Snuff out snuff" Nelson
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Oh Shit (was Re: Nonsparking tools)
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:26:28 GMT

jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:

>Joe "Please inform the widow that his last words were, 'Oh, s***!'" Chew

I read somewhere - I think it was Aviation Week and Space Technology - that
something like 90% of all crashes, the last words of the pilot on the black
box are "Oh, Shit!"

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
In our innermost soul, we are children and remain so for the rest of our lives
    --  Sigmund Freud
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:01:16 GMT

Jay.Ashworth@f8649.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth)  writes:

>Indeed.  Jon Bentley, in _More_Programming_Pearls_, (an excellent book
>for other reasons...) mentions that the only suspension bridge from
>that era still standing is the George Washington, in New York.
>
>The reason?
>
>John Roebling, the designer, was an _engineer_.  He didn't trust the
>formulas, so he designed the bridge to withstand SIX times the
>predicted wind loading, using the formulas he had to work with...

	I guess that means that the Roebling bridge between
Cincinnati and Covington KY doesn't count.  It was built in 1865.

ObUL  They make jelly in Covington.

Jon "I thought Roebling designed the Brooklyn Bridge" Papai

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