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From: manoel@wam.umd.edu (Manoel Mendonca)
Subject: Re: PREDICTION 1994: WHO WILL WIN?
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:07:05 GMT

In article <15APR199213584690@envmsa.eas.asu.edu> pino@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Anthony) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.195303.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes...
>>I know this is a little bit early but let's have some predictions for 1994:
>> 
>>Who will be the four semi-finalists?
>>Who will meet in the final?
>>Who will be World Champions?
>>
>
>   Such questions are meaningless right now since the traditional soccer
>powers haven't even begun their qualifying competition yet.  We'll have
>a better picture after the European Championships.  Also, please, no empty
>slogans without any grounds to back them up.
>
>>                   BRAZIL - 1994 WORLD CHAMPIONS
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   We'll discuss this *AFTER* Brazil has qualified for the finals.

	Here is some facts of life:

	1 - Brazil is the ONLY team that qualified for ALL the finals.
	2 - An european team has NEVER won a world cup in the american
	    continent.

-- Manoel
manoel@cs.umd.edu
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From: MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu ()
Subject: Re: Turkish soccer results
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:35:54 GMT
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In <1992Apr8.023731.4682@news.unomaha.edu> MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu writes:

> Here the results of turkish soccer games, from 29-Apr.
> 
> 	Fenerbahce	:	Bolu		2:0
> 	Konya		:	Besiktas  	0:3
> 	Adana D.S.	:	Trabzon		0:0
> 	Galatasaray	:	Gaziantep	0:1
> 	Ankaragucu	:	Sariyer		3:1
> 	Bursa		:	Altay		0:0
> 	Bakirkoy	:	Gencler B.	4:1
> 	Aydin		:	Samsun		2:1
> 
> 
> Regards, MUTLU.



Correction : The result are from Sunday Apr. 5
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Torino 2 Real Madrid 0
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:40:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.siludINN104
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Just finished watching Torino - Real Madrid on KTSF (San Francisco)
Torino won 2-0, goals scored by Rocha (impeccable autogoal) in the
7th minute of the first half and Fusi, in the 31st of the second half.
The disappearance of Torino's Scifo and Vasquez from the game after
one hour of play permitted Real to put considerable pressure on
Marcheggiano's goal. Torino's second goal could not have arrived at
a better time, since it slowed down Real at a time when they were getting
really dangerous. Both teams missed a few good opportunities; towards
the end of the first half Casagrande ended up alone in fron of the
goal, following a series of beautiful passes, but could not beat the
Spanish goalie. Marchegianno had a few nice saves, against Michel and
Hagi shots. Real's offensive strategy is highly questionable. Seemin-
gly, they want to open up the area in front of the penalty box using
Butragueno as an isolated bait deep in opponents' territory. In turn,
Hagi, Michel and Hierro should take advantage of the space and penetrate
or take shots. Problem is, if opponents do not doubleteam Butragueno,
the plan does not work. Also, Michel has a terrible season. Aside from
one good shot (first half) and one good pass (to Lloreno (sp?)) in the
second half his contribution was negative. Hopefully, Prosinecki will
reenter soon; Real also needs another forward besides Butragueno; Lloreno
does not cut it, since his game is unidimensional and previsible. Rocha
(besides the unlucky autogoal) and Cendo (besides being easily beaten
by Lentini at the second goal) were Real's best players. On Torino's
side, Scifo and Lentini showed great craftsmanship while Marchegianni
defended the goal flawlessly.
.
-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: lah014@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Richard Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Woking up, *HELP* also needed
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:39:08 GMT
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK

Just thought I'd let everyone know that Woking (conquerors of West
Bromwich Albion in last season's FA Cup) have assured themselves of
promotion to the GM Vauxhall Conference despite still having 7 games
left to play.

Also, could somebody please tell me how many teams get relegated from
the Diadora/Beazer Homes/HFS Loans Premier Divisions ?

Thanks. 
(For those interested, the Diadora Premier League updated to 5/4/92 is
included below)

WOKING       35  28  5  2  88 18  89  +70
-----------------------------------------
Enfield      36  21  6  9  54 40  69  +14
Wokingham    37  17 10 10  68 52  61  +16
Sutton       37  16 12  9  79 45  60  +34
Aylesbury    37  14 15  8  63 44  57  +19
Carshalton   36  17  5 14  58 56  56  + 2
Kingstonian  37  16  7 14  66 57  55  + 9
Chesham      35  15  9 11  56 40  54  +14
Wivenhoe     38  16  4 18  55 69  52  -14
Dagenham     37  12 15 10  59 56  51  + 3
Marlow       35  15  6 14  43 45  51  - 2
St Albans    36  14  8 14  61 60  50  + 1
Bromley      37  13 11 13  47 50  50  - 3
Windsor & E  37  13  9 15  50 52  48  - 2
Grays        37  12  9 16  46 63  45  -17
Basingstoke  38  11 11 16  52 63  44  -11
Hendon       37  12  7 18  52 65  43  -13
Hayes        38   9 13 16  46 57  40  -11
Staines      38   9  9 20  37 70  36  -33
Harrow       35   8 11 16  47 69  35  -22
Bognor       37   8  9 20  43 78  33  -35
-----------------------------------------
B Stortford  36   7  9 20  35 56  30  -21
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From: john7552@MACH1.WLU.CA (niall johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies et
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:30:53 GMT


 
> In article <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:

> >...and now over to something completely different:

> >The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
> >works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
> >essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
> >very few actual examples.

> >There is of course the mediocre "Escape from Victory" film by John
> >Huston with Sylvester Stallone (!) playing alongside Pele et al. As
> >far as I know this is Hollywood's only attempt at a film about our
> >noble sport. Now what does _that_ tell us ? [a rhetorical question!]

And David Berry added: 

> There was one in which some spoilt brat (American as it happens, but
> it could have been any nationality) goes off to a desert island and
> learns about life the universe and overhead bicyle kicks from Pele. He
> of course becomes a better person and scores the winner with an
> overhead bicyle kick. I can't remember the title, but it wasn't worth
> watching.
 
> In another film set in England Ian McShane (Lovejoy) plays a brilliant
> player with a drink problem. He's fallen from grace, then something
> happens to turn him around, trains hard, gets fit and he has a
> glorious comeback. Sorry no bicycle kicks in this one. Once again I
> find I can not remember the title. A bit more watchable than the other
> two mentioned so far. It may have been based loosely on George Best.
 
> Not a film, but I also remember a TV programme starring Denis Waterman
> (The Sweeney and Minder) about the first English team to play in
> Italy. They were a small team from a Newcastle mining village I
> believe. The lads go to Italy have a great time and to everyones
> surprise win. There tactics amounted to lots of hard tackles and some
> dirty stuff. I believe it was based on a true story. The title you
> expect me to remember titles, sorry no I forgot. Anyway this one was
> well worth watching.
 
Wasn't it something like the "1st World Cup". This one was, apparently,
based on reality. This team did exist and did win the 'world cup' or
something like that.
Actaully for a sports movie its pretty good.

Dennis Waterman then made a rugby league movie after this!

One soccer movie I remember is one made in Sweden in the 70s. It features a
little boy who goes onto play for Sweden at the age of 7. Harmless fun and
reasonably well shot movie.
Unfortunately I cannot for the life of me remember the title, sorry.


-- 
Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
From: ajgam@sabrina.inesc.pt (Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Portuguese League
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:10:15 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL


 Here are the result's of the Portuguese League

	Sporting CP  0 - V. Guimaraes  1
	Estoril  0 - Gil Vicente 1
	Torrense 1 - Boavista 0
	Maritimo 1 - Salgueiros 1
	P. Ferreira 2 - Penafiel 1
	Chaves 0 - U. Madeira 2
	FC Porto 4 - Beira Mar 1
	Famalicao 0 - SL Benfica 0
	Sp. Braga 4 - Farense 1



And the standings are :
	
		Games Points
FC Porto 	 28     47
SL Benfica	 27	39
Sporting CP	 28	36
Boavista	 28	36
V. Guimaraes	 28	34
Farense		 28	29
Maritimo	 28	28
Sp. Braga	 28	25
Beira Mar	 28	25
Estoril		 28 	25
Salgueiros	 28	24
Gil Vicente	 28	24
P. Ferreira	 28	24
Chaves		 27	23
Torrense	 28	23
U. Madeira	 28	21
Famalicao	 28	20
Penafiel	 28	19

The best scoreres are :

Ricky (Boavista) 25 goals
Cadete (Sporting CP) 21 goals
Chiquinho (Sp. Braga) 13 goals
Ziad (V. Guimaraes) 11 goals
Rosario (Torreense) 10 goals
Ricardo (Farense) & Kostadinov (FC Porto) 9 goals (each) 

  
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From: archer@hsi86.hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Correct Title = VICTORY
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: archer@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Garry Archer)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford

In article <72989@netnews.upenn.edu> zabinski@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (EZ) writes:
>In article  20637, st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>>Yes, I agree it's a great movie. I've seen it a few times and have not grown
>>tired of it yet. But the correct title of the movie is 'Escape to Victory.'
>>
>>Thanks.
>>JTKE
>
>I do not mean to be persistent, but, in fact, the actual title of the
>movie is "VICTORY". I am holding it here in my hand (an "original"
>copy - not one off of television). ...
>
>Eric Zabinski


Actually, you're BOTH right!  The movie was originally entitled "Escape
To Victory" and, I believe, was shown in Europe (at least) with that
title.  Then it was renamed "Victory" and shown in the United States
with that title.

Send flames to /dev/hollywood   :-)

OK, who's going to list all the football stars featured in the film?

Everyone here remembers Pele and Bobby Moore, of course.

Remember Ossie Ardiles (Tottenham Hotspur), John Wark (Ipswich Town)?
I can't remember 'em all.  Who was the goalie Stallone replaced?  Wasn't
he an Irish international?  Anyway, I'll leave it to you all to fill
in the blanks! :-)


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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: High Scoring? (was Re: 1994 world cup...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:06:21 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:

>I anticipate the day when Americans start playing soccer at an early age and
>can play nonstop all the way to an American Pro league.  American soccer 
>playerswould in addition to the worldwide soccer training methods also 
>utilize heavily weight training.  Additional muscle mass makes ANY person 
>better.  Very few soccer players can bench press 400 pounds etc etc etc. 

In a football game there is very little use for a player good at bench press.
There is a limit to how much physical strength you can put into the game.
And more muscles means more weight, have you ever seen a heavy player
trying to make a fast turn on a muddy pitch?
 
>Very few soccer players have half the physique that Arnold 'the terminator" 
>does, or an NFL player.

Football is a game of skill, wit and cooperation. Muscle does help, but
it's not enough, and too much of it might even be a burden.

>You also seem very high on Russian soccer mentioning it several times.
>Russian soccer? You must be the stereotypical american to bring russian soccer
>into this conversation. Russia is hardly a soccer power. 

They are not!?! The former USSR have been among the best european nations
for a long time. Actually they have done very well in the European 
Championships over the years. As for the strength of the present Russia,
we don't know anything. They haven't been tried in serious games yet.



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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Miscellaneous Canada Football News
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:35:52 GMT

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

The Canadian World Cup team stages an international friendly in Toronto on May
20 against Scotland.  Two annoying aspects of this:  (1) it's in TO and not
Vancouver :( .... (2) Bob Lenarduzzi (head coach of the team as well as the
CSL's Vancouver 86ers) will be taking his 3 or 4 best club players to TO to
face the Scots ... the annoying thing about this is that the 86ers are playing
Chelsea that same night in Vancouver as part of a three nation exhibition
tournament.  Doesn't bode well for the 86ers "second team" who will now be
facing the 'Blues' (or for the fans who splurged on tickets expecting to see
the 86ers "first team" in this tourny!).

Joao Havelange (FIFA President) will be in Vancouver from the 3rd of May to the
14th to take part in the festivities surrounding the Under-20 World
Championship CONCACAF Qualifying Tournament being hosted by Vancouver.  His
penchance for 1st class travel being well-known, a private helicopter has been
arranged to ferry him around everywhere!

Sepp Piontek is in town (Vancouver) 
to lecture at the big Bristish Columbia Soccer
Association/Canadian Soccer Association conference.

Can anyone tell me why the Canada-Honduras Olympic Qualifier was not shown on
TSN?  I was at the game so it wasn't too big a deal, but I was still under the
impression that it was to be shown live.  Marco??

Canada's next game (April 21 in Mexico City) will be shown on tape delay on
April 22 at 18:00 PDT on TSN :)))))  Bad news is that Paul Peschisolido is to
sit out the game as he picked up his second yellow card of the tourny in last
week's game against Honduras.  (Aside:  I don't see how he got the card in that
game as he was lying prone on the ground after receiving the most blatant punch
to the face I have ever seen outside of a boxing ring ... in fact I don't see
how the Honduran player didn't get a red card ... ah well, it was in line with
the ref's calling for the rest of the game, which was the most abysmal
performance I have ever witnessed.)

That's it for now.

Brad



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From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Copa Libertadores - Update
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:37:35 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	Copa Libertadores - Group 2 - Brazil/Bolivia
	--------------------------------------------

	Previous results (first team is home team): 
	
		Criciuma 3 - Sao Paulo 0
		Bolivar 2 - San Jose 1
		San Jose 0 - Sao Paulo 3
		Bolivar 1 - Sao Paulo 1
		San Jose 1 - Criciuma 2
		Bolivar 1 - Criciuma 1
		Sao Paulo 4 - Criciuma 0
		San Jose 2 - Bolivar 4
		Sao Paulo 1 - San Jose 1

	FRiday April 10th:

		Crciuma 5 - San Jose 0

	Games left:

		Sao Paulo - Bolivar
		Criciuma - Bolivar

	Table
	-----

	Team		Pts	W  T  L  GF-GA
	--------------------------------------

	Criciuma  (BRA) 7	3  1  1  11-6     * To second round 
	Bolivar   (BOL) 6 	2  2  0   8-5     * To second round
	San Paulo (BRA) 6	2  2  1   9-5     * To second round 
	San Jose  (BOL) 1	0  1  5   5-17    * Eliminated

Bye,

Marcello.

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From: robbie@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au ()
Subject: Partick Thistle / Aldershot
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:59:42 GMT

I have a couple of queries/requests regarding the above two clubs.
First, does the loss of Aldershot mean that two clubs will be promoted
from the Vauxhall Conference League and if so, which teams are likely
to come up?

Also, the past few weeks, we have had the pleasure of some friendly
postings between "fans" of the BIG TWO in Scotland. I would like some
more information on the Jags as they are moving awfully close to a place
in the Premier division. I am still here Sandy. What is different this
season (apart from the fact that either they are playing less shite
football or that the opposition isn't as strong).
Any news would be appreciated.

As an aside, I am curious to know why Hibs have done so well this season
when basically the side is the same as last year? (Burridge and Wright
excepted)

Robbie McDonald
From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Copa Libertadores - Update
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:25:41 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	Copa Libertadores - Group 2 - Brazil/Bolivia
	--------------------------------------------

	Previous results (first team is home team): 
	
		Criciuma 3 - Sao Paulo 0
		Bolivar 2 - San Jose 1
		San Jose 0 - Sao Paulo 3
		Bolivar 1 - Sao Paulo 1
		San Jose 1 - Criciuma 2
		Bolivar 1 - Criciuma 1
		Sao Paulo 4 - Criciuma 0
		San Jose 2 - Bolivar 4
		Sao Paulo 1 - San Jose 1
		Crciuma 5 - San Jose 0

	Tuesday April 14th:

		Sao Paulo 2 - Bolivar 0

	Due to a Bolivian Airline strike, Bolivar arrived in Sao Paulo, BR 
	some 2 hours before kick off. Bolivar officials tried to delay the
	game one day, but Sao Paulo refused due to scheduling conflicts.

	Game left:

		Criciuma - Bolivar

	Table
	-----

	Team		Pts	W  T  L  GF-GA
	--------------------------------------

	San Paulo (BRA) 8	3  2  1  11-5     * To second round 
	Criciuma  (BRA) 7	3  1  1  11-6     * To second round 
	Bolivar   (BOL) 6 	2  2  1   8-7     * To second round
	San Jose  (BOL) 1	0  1  5   5-17    * Eliminated

Bye,

Marcello.

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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mexican League (Week 33)
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:47:23 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


                                 Week 33
                                 =======
   Friday 3--->  U.A.G..............0  SANTOS...............0

 Saturday 4--->  CRUZ AZUL..........2  GUADALAJARA..........4 :_<  @#$%^
                 PUEBLA.............2  U. DE G..............0
                 ATLAS..............0  NECAXA...............0
                 U.N.L..............1  MONTERREY............1

   Sunday 5--->  MORELIA............0  AMERICA..............0 :-(
                 U.A.T..............2  ATLANYE..............3
                 U.N.A.M............2  VERACRUZ.............1
                 QUERETARO..........1  TOLUCA...............0
                 COBRAS.............0  LEON.................1 :-(

* NO COMMENTS THIS WEEK. I'M TOO PISSED OFF TO SAY ANYTHING!!  >:-(
From: Mlei001@GNOS.NIST.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USA vs China
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:36:34 GMT

>> USA beat China, 5-0 yesterday in Palo Alto, California before ~32,000 people.
>>The US had been winless in their last 5 games, which included the tour to
>>Central & South America and Spain & Morroco. The US managed to score only
>>once during those matches.
>>
>>
>>USA 5     -    China 0
>>Perez (2)
>>Wynalda (2)
>>Kinnear
>    Caught this game on Univision and was a bit surprised to see the U.S.
>team so dominant.  I've seen us both win and draw before but always got
>the impression that any goals we scored were 3/4 luck, and the only part
>of the team that deserved kudos was the backfield.  This game was dif-
>ferent.  Is the Chinese team that bad internationally?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not really. This team just beat the Russian champion Rotor 1:0 in Guangzhou
two weeks ago. And it is not the real national team, only a combination of
two local teams from southern part of China. This team is not good at all,
but it shouldn't be that bad as what we saw on TV. The following note may
explain a little why they performed so poorly.


[The San Jose Mercury News 04/05] After losing four in a row on the road
and scoring only one goal during that stretch, the United States posted its
most decisive international victory in 66 years by smashing China 5-0.
China lost 109 to both the Thailand "B" team and a German Berlin club team
in January.  What's more, the Chinese squad's biggest assets, speed and
endurance, were sapped by an itinerary that had them flying into San
Francisco on Tuesday, flying to Canada for a match against the Canadian
national team (a 5-2 loss) on Wednesday, and then returning Friday to the
Bay Area. "We didn't even perform to 20 percent of our ability," said Coach
Chen Xirong through an interpreter. "It's really hard for me to judge how
good the U.S. is, because we played so poorly.  They're obviously better
than us.  But if you compare them to the top teams like Germany and Italy,
they still have a ways to go." (Charles Mok)