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From: burke@seachg.uucp (Michael Burke)
Subject: Re: Toronto Fans
Reply-To: burke@seachg.UUCP (Michael Burke)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:06:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.173246.22738@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <2AF41BC2.215C@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>>In other cities, when the team is losing, fans stay away.
>>In Toronto, when the team is losing, the seats are filled anyway.
>>Whether these seats are filled with fans is a different story.
>
>Not true: Toronto didn't sell out all playoff games in the old stadium. 
>
>(Yes, I know it was an awful stadium, with awful seats, and I don't blame
>fans for choosing to watch it on TV.  I was just pointing out that Toronto
>fans really aren't different from other fans).

It depends on who defines a sell-out. If fans decide not to sit 800 to
1,000 feet way from home plate (the fence was at about 425 feet) does this
mean that they are not supporting the team? At this distance the crack of
the bat is heard well after the ball caught (in many cases). TV is where
the fans get to see and hear the game in real time.


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From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:06:36 GMT

In article <BxKnBo.11B@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, dporter@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Retrop Guod) writes:
|> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
|> 
|> >>1) lifetime batting average.  1.000.  many people.
|> 
|> Although John Paciorek (I think) has the most at-bats and a 1
|> batting average (3-3, I believe he got on base in all 5 plate 
|> appearances)...
Yep.  John played in one game, I'm pretty sure the last game of the
season, and went 3-3 with 2 walks, 4 runs scored and 3 RBI's.
Then he hurt his back and never played another major league game.
Although he did become a hell of a little league coach.
From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:42:00 GMT
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Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov8.174245.28862@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes...
> 
>To keep the winter going I'm going to post a new thread for discussion.
>(In a similar vein to "Favorite Players of my Youth" and "Most unbreakable
>records)  Here is my short list of greatest moments in baseball history
>(use whatever interprestation you want)
> 
>-David Oliver (doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu)

For me, it's got to be a moment in a Buffalo Bisons/Syracuse Chiefs game about
four (maybe five) years ago.

The Bisons are up by a run in the top of the 7th. Eric Yelding walked and stole
second, the Chiefs have two out and Rob Ducey (maybe Glenallen Hill) steps to
the plate. He lines a single to right. A charging Benny Distefano scoops, takes
a hop-step and fires a chest-high liner to the plate. Tom Prince takes the throw
and drops his shoulder just as Yelding barrels into him. Yelding is knocked
out cold. Prince looks down at him, spits, rolls the ball back to the mound, and
trots to the dugout as the crowd goes bananas. 

No one made any mistakes. The batter fought off a tough two strike pitch, 
Yelding got a good jump, Distefano and Prince executed perfectly. It was the 
single perfect play I've ever seen at a baseball game.

Ted
v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:33:52 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

November 13
Wes Parker, 1939
Mel Stottlemyre,Sr., 1941
Gene Garber, 1947
Dan Petry, 1958
Johnny "Noisy" Kling, 1875
Steve Bilko, 1928
Ted Wilks, 1915
Jim Delsing, 1925
Alex Kampouris, 1912
Otto Hess, 1878

Also: American League founded, 1900

November 14
Jim Piersall, 1929
Willie Hernandez, 1955
Doug Corbett, 1952
Curt Schilling, 1966
Jack Lelivelt, 1885

November 15
David "Gus" Bell, 1928
Fred Breining, 1965
Randy Niemann, 1955
Maurice "Bomber" Van Robays, 1914
Mickey Livingston, 1914

--Steve
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Villanueva
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:02:36 GMT

In article <9211092348.AA18487@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>For those of you who haven't heard...
>
>The Chicago Cubs released catcher Hector Villaneuva today!!!
>
>(Seeing as how he was a net-hero at one point in the recent past, I was 
>wondering how people would react to this...).

I think the Cubs are systematically trying to eliminate any trace of
OBP on the team.  Clearly Grace and Sandberg will be the next to go.

>Any word on anyone trying to sign him?  (Hmmm, Hector in Denver, miiiighty 
>iiiinteresting.... :-)

How about the Red Sox?  I'd rather have Hector than Matt Nokes!  (Of
course if the Sox could get rid of Greenwell in a deal for Nokes...)

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Tampa Bay and the  Giants 
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:17:25 GMT


Well, I am happy that the Giants are staying put for one reason;
I think it would be a shame for a grass field team to be moved
indoors and forced to play on carpet.  Football is fine indoors,
baseball should be played on grass in a basball park, not a 
stadium.  That's one reason that I plan to make an effort to
see some O's games next year, they are playing in a REAL baseball
park!  Thankfully the Braves will be moving to a real park
before too much longer.  For now at least they are playing on 
grass.

Just my $.02

Kit

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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:06:41 GMT

In <1992Nov11.002010.12743@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:

>Greatest moments in baseball history:

>Novenber 11th, 1992.  Four National League owners vote to
>reject the sale of the San Francisco Giants to Florida.

>The S.F. offer is under review and should be approved within 10 days.

I can't say I'm totally upset at the decision -- without the Giants, I'd
have no chance to watch the Braves in summertime.  And KNBR would run out
of things to talk about :->.

But really, Tampa deserves the team more than SF.  The Bay has voted down
a decent stadium three times, and it's not because so many of them go out to
the stick and love it.  Support was rotten this year, when of all times a
show of support might have been the difference between staying and leaving.
So the apathetic bay area gets to keep the team they don't care about, and
Tampa gets shafted.  Again.  (Note -- there are a lot of people in the bay
who care about the Giants, unfortunately they aren't a majority.  And Tampa
really did get shafted.)

Of course, I am glad that the Giants are staying on natural grass, with no
dome.  Maybe if Tampa built a new stadium :->.

I'm dying to know Ralph Barbieri's (sic?) reaction.
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: Re: Unofficial Protected Lists from San Jose Mercury
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:44:24 GMT

Boy, that list of portected palyers was a little surprising for
some teams.

I gues I'd rather see the list of unprotected players and figure
out for myself whether they're unprotected by virtue of free agent
status, big contract, or mediocrity.

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From: cs3ea3ai@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Edberg '92)
Subject: Re: Cy of Relief (Eck)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:00:13 GMT

>> Congrats to Eck.  I know that a lot of people say that relievers don't
>> deserve the Cy Young, but Eck had such an incredible season that he
>> deserved it.  
>
>I think that the voters were trying to honor Eck somehow for his past 5
>years of stellar performance.  And with no dominating starter this year,
>this honor came easily.

I think the time has come for two awards, one for a starter
and one for a reliever..
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reds/Yanks Trade
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:36:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In <1992Nov5.204154.20119@novell.com> larrow@novell.com (Les Arrow) writes:

>>.275 with 25 homers and 90 walks isn't bad, but it isn't worth five
>>million dollars for a poor defensive RF/DH.  That's what makes him
>>expendable.

>Yes. But Tartabull hasn't changed as a hitter since last year. What made him
>worth 5 mil last year? I'm starting to think logic just doesn't work
>when it comes to baseball.

If logic worked, Don Zimmer would never be let near a baseball field.
As to your point, however, these last two years for Tartabull were *not*
the same.

In 1991, Tartabull slugged .593, with an OBP of .397
In 1992, Tartabull slugged .489, with an OBP of .409.  Impressive, but
nothing like 1991.

That's 90 points worth of OPS of difference.  A big difference.

Of course, given that Tartabull's career numbers before this year 
were 372/514, it was MUCH more likely that he'd have a year like this 
one than like 1991.  

But you can't expect GMs to be able to *think.*  

Any GM that would call Danny Tartabull "expendable," though, needs to be
shot.  Now if they were planning on releasing Mattingly, who IS
expendable, the deal would make more sense.  But they aren't.

I don't understand it at all.  

The NYT reported today that the Yankees are planning on platooning
O'Neill with Gerald Williams.  They also noted that there's a nice hole
in LF now for Bonds to step into.

(Speaking of which, the Village Voice rumored that Nokes for Greenwell
was a possible deal.)

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Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Yankees pitching staff
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:24:57 GMT

In article <BxD3Cv.M7y@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>Can somebody tell me who what the rumors are for the Yankee pitching staff of
>next year.  I just read in the NY Times that the Yanks traded yet another
>pitcher away.

???  I haven't heard about this.  Who?  What was the deal?

>Aside from Melido Perez who is amazing and should have won at 
>leat 18 games, and Steve Farr, are there any good pitchers still left on
>the team?

Perez is a decent staff ace and a good #2 starter.  Militello is
almost as good, IMHO, as Perez.  Wickman is a cut lower, but is a
quality #3 starter.  Kamieniecki isn't a total embarrassment.  Not to
mention Hitchcock and Taylor, two prospects who are possibly better
than *all* of the above.

The first four will all be in the rotation next year (unless the
Yankees acquire two pitchers better than Kamieniecki), and the two
prospects should be along in a year or two.  The Yankees are
implementing a wholescale rebuilding, but unless they traded away one
of the above pitchers, I think they are doing a decent job of it.

-Valentine
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From: matgress@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Matthew W Gress)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:23:40 GMT

Since I'm only 27, I haven't seen as much BB as some, but I can wholeheartedly 
say that my favorite player of all time is the enigmatic Steve Lombardozzi.
Every morning I pass my SABR shrine and glance at Steve's picture (it's from
later in his career and he's wearing a Mud Hens uniform).  Sitting over my 
computer is a framed copy of the MPLS Star-Trib from 10/26/87.  Lombo is diving into the pile of celebrating Twins.
Why Lombo?  I didn't really start following BB until '85, his rook year.  The 
rookies had to stay together...

Woody Eblom
On Matthew's Account.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Gold Gloves Announced
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:32:52 GMT

In article <steph.721034424@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>I can think of all sorts of things that can go wrong with range factor, but
>is it a better indicator than Gold Glove voting?  When and where will Defensive
>Average numbers be available?

Defensive Average numbers will be available in this very forum, once I get
the data.  I don't know when I'll get the raw data, and though the last
word I heard was positive about the data being collected, I don't know for
sure that the data has been collected.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com




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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:22:37 GMT

In <92316.123954RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:

>regarding the 9 stolen bases off of eck compared to the one caught
>stealing...

>who cares? if some guy happens to get on base against the eck, he's
>most likely not going to score anyway, regardless of what base he's
>on.

 Yes that is true. But he is still MORE likely to score, no matter what your
reasoning, a player on second is obviously more likely to score than a guy on
first. That's the equivalent of saying, "Who cares if he hits a single or a 
triple, (with the bases empty) he's probably not going to score anyways so it
doesn't matter.". It does matter. IMHO "he's unlikely to score anyway" as a
poor excuse for holding runners poorly. 

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)

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From: ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL)
Subject: Yankees pitching staff
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:55:43 GMT

Can somebody tell me who what the rumors are for the Yankee pitching staff of
next year.  I just read in the NY Times that the Yanks traded yet another
pitcher away.  Aside from Melido Perez who is amazing and should have won at 
leat 18 games, and Steve Farr, are there any good pitchers still left on
the team?  Will Cone, Drabeck, Maddux or Swindell become Yankees?
What about Barry Bonds?  It seems to me that there is space for him in left
field.	
	Danny Sokol-Amherst College
	DDSOKOL@Amherst.edu
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: First Expansion Draftee Contest: update (revised and corrected)
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:08:09 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

The contest is much easier now for me and probably everyone else.  This 
morning in the Ft.Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, they printed all 26 teams'
15-man protected lists.  And Jeff Blauser was protected, sorry guys.

Hmmm...do I print all the lists?

Joe Sosa

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:29:12 GMT
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
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Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


OK, now for someone completely different:

	Manny Sanguillen


john rickert
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: It's So Simple!!!
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Keywords: Read my lips -  :-)
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.181709.15579@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)       writes...
>There's such an elegant solution to the San Francisco/Tampa Bay
>struggle, I'm surprised nobody's come up with it:  :-) :-) :-)
> 
>1)  The Giants stay in San Francisco.
>2)  The Cubs move to St. Petersburg.
> 
>Everybody's happy.  Look what this accomplishes:
> 
>     1) San Francisco has a baseball team.
>     2) Tampa Bay has a baseball team.
>     3) Chicago has a baseball team.
>     4) The Tribune Company now has some justification for keeping their
>        club in the NL East.
>     etc.
> 
That's a great idea! After all, then Chicago can get a NL expansion franchise 
which would make it to the World Series than the present NL franchise in 
Chicago! d::-)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: defensive range ratings...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:31:24 GMT

In article <1dh25iINN4oe@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>I had a quick question for the stat guys. How, basically, are the range
>factors figured out? Is it just the number of putouts? Assists? What? The
>Brewers have a pitching staff full of fly-ball pitchers (Navarro, Wegman
>and Eldred) coming back next season (I assume Boz will be gone). Do these
>factors take into account the tendencies of the pitching staff? I haven't
>looked at many of the final results, but I can't imagine many AL players    
>having better range factors than Yount at CF and Listach at SS. I still
>think that catch by Yount to extend the Brewers' season by one more game
>(running in, fully extended, robbing Willie Wilson of the probable game-
>winning hit in the 9th or 10th inning) was possibly the best I've ever seen.
>
>But I digress, how are these range factors figured?
>
>--salty
>
RF=(A+PO) per 9 innings

In the basic version, no corrections are made for flyball pitchers
(who reduce IF RF, increase OF RF), groundball pitchers (opposite of
flyball), or strikeout pitchers (reduce everybody's RF).

In the AL, Listach trails Gagne, Velarde, Stankiewicz, Rivera,
Vizquel, and Fryman. Yount trails White, Lofton, McRae, Kelly,
Johnson, Cuyler, Felix, and Puckett.

While Yount's catch looked spectacular, it seems likely to me that a
faster CF, like White, Lofton, or JOhnson, would have reached it
without having to extend himself; would have made it look easy.

"The supreme art of fielding is not to make every spectacular play; it
is to make every play without looking spectacular."  --a very bad
paraphrase of Sun Tzu, ancient Chinese military expert

Clay D.
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From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Subject: Re: SF Giants
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:06:38 GMT

From article <1992Nov6.184439.400@webo.dg.com>, by chuck@maui.webo.dg.com (Chuck Noyes):
> Maybe I missed it, but isn't it time the NL decides the fate of the Giants? 
> It's one thing for a team to go on the road and play in LA, SF, then SD; but
> quite another to play in LA, Tampa, and then in SD.

Supposedly the schedule was supposed to have been fixed to allow the
Giants to play in either St Pete or in SF.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
Date: Wednesday, 4 Nov 1992 12:23:28 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 5 truly unbreakable records.

enough of this "no one will ever hit 800 dingers" crap.  here are five
*real* unbreakable records, by any decent definition of "unbreakable":

1) lifetime batting average.  1.000.  many people.
2) lifetime era.  0.00.  many people.
3) single season slugging average.  4.000.  bill lefebvre, 1938;
   buster narum, 1963.
4) lifetime winning percentage.  1.000.  many people.
5) coolest.  steve balboni.


bob vesterman.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat,  7 Nov 1992 14:46:14 -0500 
From: Jim_Laredo@transarc.com
Subject: Re: COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE (long)


> July
> 13      ALL STAR GAME @ PIRATES

I thought this was in 1994, 1993 belongs to an American League team.
Chicago maybe?

Jim.


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Yearly Lineups...
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 08:07:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Well, I was looking through Neft and Cohen for a project I'm doing, and to
help me keep from flipping through 600 pages of numbers, I decided to track
the regulars for the White Sox for the early part of the century.  At any
rate, I found it to be a great help (1901-1920), and thinking for a while, I
couldn't figure out why I haven't seen that type of thing done more often.
I've seen a list of Oriole starters over the years, at least up until the last
ten years or so, in a yearbook, but the closest I've ever come to getting all
that stuff together in a convenient form for tracking player movement is, once
again, flipping pages in N&C.  So, since I was enjoying the task anyway, I
decided to track the starters for all teams.  It's a good way to get a sense
of who played when, especially for someone whose earliest firsthand baseball
memories are of the Bronx Zoo (boo! hiss!).

At any rate, as I write this, three of the original eight AL teams are done,
and more are on the way.  Think of it as Nelson's lineup postings times
ninety-two.  :)  I'll post if enough interest is shown...

ObTrivia:  Who was the double play combination in Detroit immediately 
preceding Whitaker/Trammell?

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