HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: News SCC is for news, not a battlefield!
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <1992Apr15.175101.15609@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:


>The hell it isn't!  Those who get their green cards by biting into the
>"bloody buns" (_xue4 man2tou_) are reaping personal gain at the expense
>of others.

>					--Scott

If those who get thir green cards by biting into the "bllody buns", those
who have their US citizenships must by biting those green card holders'
bloody flesh.

F.Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.151452.29499
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.091346.21172@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>I am writing this article to remind you that my life is still
>in danger. Please remember me if you find me dead some days
>later.
>
>Xiao Li
>

That is a joke again, right?  
Say hi to Li Peng.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:53:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.112848.1471@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>After three years bullshit Chinese politics, people become
>more and more understood the problem in China. Although, Li
>Peng still has a bad image internationally, but we, as Chinese
>should really think hard what is deep inside the Chinese
>politics.
>
>If there had been no such thing as the 6/4 massacre, how would
>people have thought about Li Peng, China's hardworking Premier?
>Li Peng is certainly better educated than the old generation
>revolutionaries, better than Deng Xiaoping and Zhao Ziyang.
>Not only scientifically, but in personality as well, Li Peng is
>more tolerant. I well remember when Li Peng met Wurekaxi, it
>was Li Peng who maintained the grace of the talk. Li Peng has
>been constantly huminiated throughout his visit in US, yet, he
>performed well.
>
>As to his contribution to China, I think it is much greater
>than Deng Xiaoping. What has Deng Xiaoping done to China. He
>played politics for himself, to enhance the image of himself
>at the cost of his "second and third generation leaders". Hu 
>and Zhao had already been the ones. Now comes Li Peng. I think
>Li Peng is still trying to balance in his political career. What
>he could do if he is removed from his current post? Go back
>as an engineer? Not as comfortable as before. Now good things
>are all DXP's and the dirt of 6/4 is Li Peng's.
>
>I have attacked Li Peng for a long period of time since 6/4.
>Now I think it is wrong. It was DXP who committed the 6/4
>massacre. People should be aware of it.
I agree that Li had been misunderstood. He has a statesmanship, not following
prevailing tide. I hesitate to characterize a national leader as good or bad
unless he/she is extraoudinarily good or bad. Please put emphasis on the 
decision he/she made.
>
>
>Xiao Li
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,psu.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: flight ticket for to Beijing for sale
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:24:07 GMT

In <92104.163110WXY1@psuvm.psu.edu> WXY1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>A friend of mine has a one-way ticket for sale, it starts from D.C. by UA to
>San Francisco, then change to CAAC to Beijing. It'll stopat Tokyo and shanghai
>the price is $500.0. It's valid from now till June 10. If anyone has interest,
>please send me an e-mail.


>Thanks.

Can you transfer a flight ticket?  I was told it's not allowed to transfer.

F. Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yayi@suphys.su.OZ.AU
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (honey version)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:22:53 GMT

In article <29EB4A24.27928@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>2.  If you (6.4 blood beneficaries) really want to stay in the US, instead
>    of execusing yourself as "I don't want to go home, becasue those CCP 
>    guys will bet me", i strongly recommend you to use this as the execuse:
>
>	"America is everyone's America.  This continent does not just belongs 
>	 to Europeans or Jewish or AFricans.  We Chinese should have a piece 
>	 of DiPan(land) in this country, too."  or
>
>	"The US immigration law applied to Chinese is NOT fair"  or
>
>	"My immigration to the US might be a population relief to China".
>
>    This way, you won't have a political hole.
>
>
>shannon
>-------

	Six years ago before i left China, we three classmates were arranged
  an interview with an officer of The Security Department.  I couldn't remind
  of all content in his speech, because i was so neverous to this officer.But
  one point of them may be never forgotten.  The main idea for this point is
  that people can immigrate into other countries in any other excuses except
  the political one.  He stressed that "Don't copy someone to apply refuge
  status".

	In all fairness, the officer and dear shannon may have said something
  right.  However, when I forst encountered shannon's masterpiece, it give me
  a scare, though it is nothing to do with me.  

	In order to give a support for mr shannon and the officer, i suggest
  you to put your opioin in public, to reveal this trick, to call for american
  people understanding them, thus to stop them to get the bloody card.

	Do you think it is a good idea?  If yes, i'd like to help you, and then
  we can plot it togather.
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:49:23 GMT
	<ROTEN.92Apr8135901@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Apr8.201721.340@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10

In article <1992Apr8.201721.340@rigel.econ.uga.edu> 
jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Jialin) writes:

   In article <ROTEN.92Apr8135901@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
   roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
   >
   >The jerkweeds on Capitol Hill finally did something both sensible and 
   >principled, for a change!  

   They have been on that principle for a long time, which is to 
   grab the educated foreign students to stay in the United States.
   I think it is great. Now, it was the Immigration and Naturalization
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Services the bad guys :-)
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The INS is one of those Federal agencies I dream of strolling through 
with a fire hose, washing $50,000/year vipers in 3-piece suits out into 
the street ...  :-) :-) :-)

   >And Kennedy was behind it .. my mind boggles.  Now I'll have to retire 
   >my Teddy Kennedy dart board.  :-)

   Hasn't he always been for education, for basic research, be friends with
   scientists ? Enlight me if I am wrong. 

   >IF Bush gets in the way of this, I will drop my intention of voting for 
   >him, hold my nose, and vote for Clinton in November!  

   Vote for Bush? :^) Clinton :^^)??, why not Ross Perot?

Well, mostly because 1) he hasn't a prayer of winning, and 2) to the 
extent that he has taken any positions, he has made it clear that he is 
somewhat of a trade protectionist.  I cannot agree with that.  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
From: yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Keywords: calendar
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:27:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr13.083417.16223@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>	As for Jie Qi (24 "seasons"), there is a 2 sentence (8 verses) 
>	song for it.  Knowing the song and the luna calendar (Yin Li),
>	they have the complete calenda by heart.

The last sentence is zei4 duo1 xiang1 ca4 yi1 lang3 tian1 (at most, one or 
two day differences) if we are talking about the same song. This is, of
course, based on yang1 li4. The seasons are probably based on stars, and 
therefore not related to ying1 li4.

-- 
/* Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh PA.  412-624-0134
/* open your window and get something fresh */
From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: response to "cease fire" call (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse)
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:53:34 GMT
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr16.192702.2460@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>In article <12272@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu) writes:
>  
>    Those who want to get a green card through political reasons can seek
>    political asylum if they have proof that they will be persecuted by CCP.

Things are not that simple, and the world is not simply black/wihte. Between
those who have already been prosecuted by CCP and those who didn't do anything
against CCP and thus would be safe in China are the majority CSS who did
some thing against CCP and might be prosecuted if they come back to China.
What are you going to do with them? Give them political asylum? But they
were not prosecuted. Ask them to go back to China? You are asking them to
take a great risk. You ask people to give the proof, however it is very
hard to prove one will be prosecuted before one is prosecuted, and when the
prosecution happens, it might be too late to give protection. As far as I can
see, PR is the best approach.

>    Don't abuse 6.4 blood.

There is no such a thing. It only exists in some sensationalists' mind.

>The Bush Administrative Orders protect whom? 

Well, I answered it.

>    Protect those in safety!

But it is unsafe to ask them go home.

>Not those 6.4 victims.

Those who passed away have passed away, those who alive will alive. This
is life. Besides, what Bush can do with those suffered CCP's regime
in China? Start a war to overturn CCP? I do hope every TAM victim can
stay here safely, but it doesn't mean CSS in the US don't deserve 
protection before TAM victims are protected.

>We 6.4 participants 
>    are strongly against this protection order.  I don't need such a 
>    protection even if I am a poor student.  Before I came,  many 
>    6.4 participants were talking about what happened here, "what are they
>    doing, those selfish countryfellows?"  

I doubt it. Although I was not in Beijing on 6/4, I actively participated
the pro-demoncracy movement and I didn't feel the same way as you did.

>    I also learned that, when it came to lobby for the protection order,
>    Senates receiced a large number of calls or letters from CSSers; but when
>    it came to lobby them to support efforts aimed at enhancing human rights
>    in China, much fewer responses were received in the Senate.  Why the
>    difference?   The difference indicates some just want to abuse 6.4 blood.

You made a good point. People are more or less selfish. While personal
interest is involved, people trend to work harder than otherwise. However,
it doesn't mean they don't care about human right in China, nor it means
they didn't protest CCP's brutality. And it is unfair to accuse them for
abusing 6/4 blood. As I said, they deserve political protection even if
there were no 6/4.

Hao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang)
Subject: Re: Magazine Subscription Service, free magazine offer
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:43:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.194630.26074@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rvp2f@Virginia.edu  (Prasad Polamraju) writes:
>Keywords: Magazine Subscription
>
>	I recently came across a magazine subscription company
>in New York that has some good deals for new customers.  If you
>are currently subscribing to atleast two magazines, they will give a
>free magazine subscription for a year in exchange for the opportunity
>to bid for your renewals.  If you don't recieve any magazines
>now, then if you buy one or more, they will still give you one free.
>Their phone # is 800-433-1357 (outside New York) and 718-967-1234 (in
>New York). Their timings are 9-5 Mon-Fri, Eastern Time
>
>	I have been using their service for about 2 year and have 
>no problems so far. They call me once whenever any renewal is due
>and they do not pester me if I say no to a renewal. If you call them,
>you may have to mention my name or some other existing customer's name,
>because they only accept new customers through referrals 
>from existing customers. I am not connected to them except that I 
>have been their customer for some time.
> 
>Prasad Polamraju

If my memory serves me right, I remember seeing this article appeared
here half year ago. It looks attractive, but someone else pointed out
it's sort of a trick. I am just wondering why Mr. Polamraju is so
'kind-hearted' to keep posting this? Would somebody in the know like
to comment on this? I might be wrong, but I definitely will save this
article for the future. :-)

W.P. Wang



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: cyeh@descartes.waterloo.edu (Woody)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:38:42 GMT

In article <wangf.703106206@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>In <1992Apr12.165040.4001@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>
>>In article <!26t1r#@rpi.edu> leecj@cs.rpi.edu (Ching-ju Ashraf Lee) writes:
>>>Pat H. Yang
>
>>	April 4, 1992	:)   (not lunar calendar, of course.)
>
>
>We have Qing Ming for more than thousand years.  If it does not
>follow lunar (or Chinese calennar), what calendar does it  follow? And why?
>The term 'of course' does not sound clear to a fool like me.
>
>F. Wang

	In Chinese calendar, 24 Jie2 Qi4 are based on sun's motion (I know 
how solar system works. Don't be picky on this please.).
	Qing1 Ming2 is belong to 12 Jie2. So it is always located on April
5th. But this year is a leap year, so it become April 4th.
--
From: 128a-2as@WEB.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Some employment questions
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Date: 6 Apr 1992 19:48:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-2e.berkeley.edu
Originator: 128a-2as@web-2e.berkeley.edu

Hi fellow netters,

I need some answers for a student from mainland China with an I-20 but
no F-1 visa:

1. Can he state in US until Dec. 1993?

2. Can he work off-campus during that time for the following situations while
   he is still studying in school? If he can, how?

   A. During regular school sessions.

   B. During summer.

3. Can he work legally after he graduates? If he can, how?

E-mail answers are prefered.

-----------
Chen
128a-2as@WEB.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Unification of China (4)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:38:49 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <11019@borg.cs.unc.edu> linjk@bartok.cs.unc.edu (Jin-Kun Lin) writes:
>   Mr. Chen, do more homework before writing these articles.  Taiwan
>was NOT "returned" to China.  KMT killed tens of thousand of Taiwanese
>to be able to control Taiwan.  
>
>   The purpose of a society is for the better lives of people.
>We, Taiwanese, do not want to bet our better lives on the 
>unification with Chinese.

Be patient. You will read my article "Unification by Military 
Operation --- Ocean Storm" in this series.

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: tun@PHY.UCSF.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China Spurns Rohingyas
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:12:43 GMT

Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:00:05 PDT
From: "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar%IGC.ORG@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      China Spurns Rohingyas
X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU.ucsf.EDU>
Status: RO

    Reuter, Beijing, April 15 - China made clear on Wednesday it would
not intervene on behalf of tens of thousands of Moslems flooding into
Bangladesh from Burma to escape persecution by the military government.
    Visiting Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Velayati, in a meeting
with his Chinese counterpart Qian Qichen on Monday, appealed to Beijing
to use its influence over Rangoon's government to help the refugees.
    According to an account of the meeting by the Iranian news agency
IRNA, Velayati called on China to urge Rangoon to stop persecuting
Moslems.
    He urged Qian "to exploit his good offices with the government in
Myanmar (Burma) to stop the banishment of Moslems in that country so
that dislodged Moslems can return home," the news agency said.
    Asked to comment on the report, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman
said on Wednesday:
    "We always hope that Myanmar and Bangladesh will through direct
dialogue and conversation make a proper settlement of the issue that has
arisen recently on the boundary of the two countries."
    China maintains that its foreign policy is based on the principle of
non-interference.
    China is Burma's closest friend and main supplier of arms, but it is
coming under increasing pressure to abandon its ally and join
international efforts to isolate Rangoon and halt military sales.
    Western diplomats say China has supplied fighter jets, tanks and
other heavy weapons to Burma.
    There is no sign that Beijing will yield to pressure.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen)
Subject: Re: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:44:38 GMT

zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.091346.21172@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>
>>I am writing this article to remind you that my life is still
>>in danger. Please remember me if you find me dead some days
>>later.
>>
>>Xiao Li
>>

>That is a joke again, right?  
>Say hi to Li Peng.

Don't get too carried away, OK?

Nobody would think Li's original posting was a hoax. He was dead-------
I mean, serious. 

Whether Li Peng is a scapegoat or a Beijing Butcher, or something else,
he first is a CCP member, which means he is made of special materials. 
And it also means he can never go beyond certain limits. I believe 
he's doing what he believes is right in his stands. Even if he knows 
he is doing something terribly wrong, he may still go ahead and do it, 
just for his own benefits or trying to cover up some previous 
wrongdoings.  However, this is no excuse for what he did, though.

When we talk about Li Peng, one thing should be always kept in mind, 
he was born and bred in a small society where the older generation of 
the proletarian revolutionists have an absolute and definte final say 
on anything and everything. Like DXP, he is probably well aware of the 
very fundamental problem with China being the Communist system. I 
simply can't believe he is not. But it would be too naive to  expect 
DXP to give up what he has believed in for more than six decades, and 
switch to a new system which may put him behind bars, not to mention 
he has to destroy his one-man dictatorship he has been working so hard 
to build up. Li Peng, on the other hand, seems more like a person you 
would find among CCP cadres on various levels of the CCP regime. They
work so hard, but don't know for what, besides trying to get rid of 
their opponents and remaining in office. 

However, he is not stupid, for he would have never reached that position
if he were (relationship with Zhou Enlai alone is not enough to grant 
him that position). His life  is not an easy one, either. He has to know
exactly what those aging rulers (not only DXP) are thinking before he 
can do anything, which could be very tiring and scary too.  But he is 
backed by DXP, should be no doubt about that. 

I personally don't like him, partly because he is so closely associated
to the 6/4 and resposible for the CCP's tight control over whatever you
can think of, partly because he looks like a fag to me :-). 

--
|- Zhu, Yuchen              ||    Dept. of Computing Science -|
|- (403) 420-1273(h)        ||    806, General Services Bldg.-|
|- (403) 492-3977(o)        ||    Univ. of Alberta, Edmonton -|
|- Email: zhu@cs.ualberta.ca||    Canada  T6G 2H1            -|
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qing1 Ming2 Festival
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:55:48 GMT

In <0000000000.AA00000@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, a netter
(xxxx@xxx.xxx.cn) wrote:

> DON'T FORGET THOSE DIED ON JUNE 4TH OF 1989!

If this is not one of those April Fool's jokes, then you are a
courageous person. By posting this article from China, you are
risking your life and career. It was people like you who kept
Chinese history going for almost 5,000 years without
interruption. Nevertheless, please be careful with what you are
doing. Confucius said this type of bravery was like fighting a
tiger barehanded and walking across a deep and dangerous river
(Bao4 Hu3 Ping2 He2).

I do remember those nights when I was watching TV with tears in
my eyes.

*****Zheng4 Qi4 Ge1 (The Song of Justice)
Tian1 Di4 You3 Zheng4 Qi4,
 (There is this substance called Justice in the world.)
Za2 Ran2 Fu4 Liu2 Xing2,
  (This substance is all over the place.)
Xia4 Ze2 Wei2 He2 Yue4,
  (When this substance is down under, it is like the gorgeous
   rivers and the mountains.)
Shang4 Ze2 Wei2 Ri4 Xing1.
  (When this substance is high above, it is like the bright sun
   and the stars.)
Yu2 Ren2 Yue1 Hao4 Ran2,
  (When people have this, they are so respectable.)
Pei4 Hu1 Sai4 Cang1 Ming2,
  (This substance is so rich that it has filled up the universe.)
Zai4 Qi2 Tai4 Shi3 Jian3,
  (In Qi state, there were these historians who died for
   recording the truth.)
Zai4 Jing4 Dong3 Hu2 Bi3,
  (In Jing state, there was this historian Donghu who would risk
   his life for recording the truth.)
Zai4 Han4 Su1 Wu3 Jie2,
  (In Han dynasty, there was this deligate Suwu who would endure
   the unbearable to serve his country.)
.....
.....
			      -----Wen2 Tian1 Xiang2, Song dynasty