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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Visiting Korea
Keywords: tourism
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:30:48 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <Oct09.224135.87891@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>
>Yes! You can stay at the BANDO Youth Hostel in Seoul in the Bando
>district.  Actually , there are thousand of "yogwans" or inns which
>offer cheap accomodation , Korean-style.   They are everywhere and
>they all have this fire-like symbol next to the words  "yogwan" in Korean.
>I was stationed in Korea (OSAN AB) and I made the best of my year 
>abroad as I spent many weekends in Seoul in these inns.   

	Well, it really depends on many aspects;
	if someone who's never been in Korea before (especially Seoul)
	or doesn't speak any Korean, it's going to be a quite a venture
	staying at those Yo-Gwan epecially for a young female by herself.

	Those places were pretty popular places to make out when I was
	there; and some popular Jang/Yogwan were avoided being worried to meet
	some other girls you've taken there before.

	And it's going to be pain to sleep due to noise of (well,
	I don't have to spell those out here) unless you had sleeping pill
	or totally drunk and trashed.

	So if some young female walks out of the door from the Yo-Gwan
	or XX-Jang, some may think she just XXXXed some guy.

	Unfortunately, that was the fact before I come to U.S.; I don't
	know how it is now but I doubt thing's been changed for 6 years.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: pancho@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James B. Lee)
Subject: test only
Reply-To: pancho@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:25:54 GMT


this is a test please ignore this msg.
From: ihm@cs.purdue.EDU (Insung Ihm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Information needed on Boston/Cambridge area
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:46:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

Would anyone in the Boston/Cambridge area kindly provide me with
any information on the living cost for a spouse with a baby?
Some people I know would like to stay in the area for a year or so, 
and they would like to know especially how much it would cost
for an (one- or two-bedroom) apartment in the area where they can commute to
Cambridge. All I know is the living cost in the Boston/Cambridge area 
will be much higher than that in this rural, peaceful, and, of course,
boring Indiana.
Please send e-mail to ihm@cs.purdue.edu.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Insung Ihm
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: woman's fate?
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:04:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

The statement by Daeshik Kim was that Korean women have an attitude
problem which prevents them from gaining equal treatment. It may
be because of resignation due to living in a male dominated society
or the male dominated-ness of Korean society might be because of
the attitude, but nevertheless it exists.

As for evidence of the attitude problem, there was portrayed in a
drama, an unwillingness of women to work, and a preference for being 
a housewife living in the shadows of their husbands.

James notes that there are market factors that are responsible for the
situation. The situation can be improved when working gets "trendy".
I say its much harder than that.

Contrary to popular belief and TV drama portrayls Korean women have 
not been helpless and dependent housewives but have been working outside 
to make ends meet for generations. 

Labor costs in Korea have never been high enough for a family to
be supported by a single breadwinner. Women have been working in fields
side by side with the men when most Koreans worked in agriculture, 
and with industrialization, many women work in factories before they
marry and after that try to find supplementary income from odd jobs
that do not conflict with homemaking. 
 
The lifestyle portrayed in the TV drama fits only a wealthy 
minority of Koreans. Even for many families who were better off, women have
had to work in order to save enough for more decent housing and to
ensure a decent education for their children.  Many women have had to 
work whether they wanted to or not.
 
Being independent and working are two different things. Is it not
possible for a full-time homemaker to be independent? Is it not
possible for a 'have-it-together' working women to have insecurities
and dependent personalities? Orthogonal to both independence and
working-homemaking is fairness. Most women do not get paid the same for
the same work as men do. Most women are not primary breadwinners
even though they may be more qualified than their husbands and their
husbands may be better at being a parent.

Independence comes from being in charge and consiously making decisions
and taking the consequences as well as rewards. Fairness
is whether or not people have equal opportunities, and equal rewards
for the work both outside and inside the home. Achieving fairness will
be much more difficult since it involves dealing with deeply engrained
stereotypes and conceptions concerning what is 'right'. Women do
not get the same pay as men for many reasons, one of which
is that certain lifestyle decisions (staying single as being opposed 
to being married, women being the primary breadwinner rather than men) are 
not accepted. Fairness will only come about when anybody's independently
made decisions are honored, and different lifestyles are accepted as
long as they are constructive.

-Han
From: bae@helena.stat.uga.edu (Sejong Bae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: contact
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:49:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UGA Statistics Department

Hello! I am sorry for posting personal matter, here.
I am looking for a contact to my old friend who graduated 
from the University of Chicago-majored in applied statistics(?).
I think he did graduate in 1990(?). His name is Hogun Lee(? may be Hokun Lee)
I did contact the Univeristy but I could not get any information about him.
He and I went to Kwang-Sung middle School(in Seoul) together from 1980-1981 as
a classmate.
	If any one out there know his contact, Please mail me to my address.
my address is =>  bae@helena.stat.uga.edu
	Thanks in advance!!!
	Once again I do appolize posting my personal matter here!!!
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Roh's visit to China
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:35:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul)

> O.K., tying my thread with reception protocol of China was not one of
> my best arguments :).  I can accept that. However, my main point is still
> valid, I think. Perhaps, you have never read Soc.China.Culture long enough.
> The same people who supported and still support Democracy in China suddenly
> turns into Communist Propaganda machine who exhorts that Western countries
> are conspiring to support Tibet independence to undermine China. Of course,
> same is true for Shinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Some even suggested taking
> Vietname, old Soviet Far East and entire Mongolia. This is clear from
> Leon Z. Lee's posting on this topic (He said ROC has the right to claim
> present Mongolia, what about Mongol's wish and their self-determination).

>  [ many many facts are deleted which the thinks are evidences of chinese
       imperialism]

> There should be two principle to be observed in East Asia if
> we all want to live as peaceful neighbors.
>  (1) Democracy 
>  (2) Self-Determination


I agree wit you that most superpowers tend to be imperialistic. In some sense, that's the world. However, let us make it clear.  In your previous posting, you provided China's diplomatic reception protocol as an evidence of her imperalism over Korea.  I just wanted to point out that your claim was not substantiated with your vary evidence.  Without credible substantiation, I think it may be very dangerous and less persuasive to accuse any other country or race.In addition, your tone of the previous p
Shoud we quit diplomatic relation with China forever? Shouldn't Roh have visited China?

I'd like to invite your opinion about USA based on your criteria. Do you believe that USA faithfully supports self-determination of "tiny" countries? How about Panama, Iraq and even our Korea?   

I already agreed with you that larger countries are imperialistic. Still we have to survive among them.  I don't think that ONLY China is imperialistic. For me, World is not so simplistic. According to your criteria, can you provide a solution to Yogoslavian people? To what extent, do we have to support self-determination?  Will you support the Republic of Ho-Nam or Kwnagjoo because they believe, some of us also do, that they have been discriminated for a long time?
How about this? After Korean reunification, won't you support the movement for recovering the lost Korean territories which North Korea gave to China for their support during Korean war?  How about Manjuria?

I believe if we have power, it is mostly likelihood that we will ask China to return the northern part of Paek-too Mt.

It seems unneccesary lenthy. Sorry about that. I wan to hear from you what are implication of your accused imperialism in the context of Roh's visit and if any, solutions rather than emotional finger pointing.   Have a nice day.
Byungtae Lee (Is there any user friendly unix editor?) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:53:07 GMT

>>In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>>       THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
>>>KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
>>>SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
>>>IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
>>>IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,

I wrote:
>>Mister, what do you know of living with the past?  

In article <1473700044@igc.apc.org> An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org> writes:
>Monsieur, quite aggressive, isn't it?
>By the way: not to know about living in the past is bad, but still to live
>in the past is worse.
>
>Goetz

Not sure what's so aggressive but quite true that living in the past per se 
could be far worse.  But one needs to distinguish what to forget and what 
to remember and how to do it for what purpose.
Koreans look forward for future for our own good.  Period. But Koreans do 
not forget the past because symbolisms of militaristic Japanese imperialism 
is alive and well in Japan and *not* *being* *fully* *accounted* *for* (for 
example, last thing was that Japanese government concluding that Japanese 
government could not determine how 'comfort girls' were taken to their fate), 
and forgetting past for the sake of forgetting it simple insanity.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: western culture suck shit!!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:30:50 GMT

>In article <Oct09.225605.98314@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>	THAT'S WHAT DENNY WONG WROTE.  HEY , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T
>>KNOW YOUR HISTORY!    EVERY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET IS GUILTY OF SOME
>>SORT OF RACISM, ESPECIALLY KOREA.  IN KOREA, JAPANESE PEOPLE   ARE  HATED
>>IN  SOME PLACES.  THAT'S RIDICULOUS.   WE CAN'T GO ON LIVING  WITH  THE  PAST
>>IF  WE ARE  EVER  GOING TO HAVE PEACE  IN THIS WORLD!   WE ARE  ALL GUILTY,

It's not Japanese "race" per se that Koreans hate . It's the nation or rather
specifically government which committed crimes and still exists.


-- 
     Sung Hyun Kim   kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 Mathematicians don't think mathematical economists are mathematicians.
 Economists don't think mathematicical economists are economists.
 Mathematical economists think they are mathematical economists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,talk.politics.misc
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Soc.culture.china (was Re: Roh visits china)
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:24:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suh Jung Yul) writes:
>However, my main point is still
>valid, I think. Perhaps, you have never read Soc.China.Culture long enough.

It is a sad fact that you can always find 'bad apples' who will
embark on imperialism at any opportunity. China is no exception.
But I truly doubt the articles in soc.culture.china are any
more nationalistic than those here. They do tend to be less
polite and less coherent than the stuff here but there are also 
alot more posters there, which means more people to feel offended and
flame. 
 
From a historical point of view, China has been less imperialistic..
(or maybe less successful at victimizing others) compared to Europeans
or Japanese if anything. On the other hand there are some worrisome
signs of China recently building up its military (new aircraft carrier
from ex-Ussr, acquiring in-flight refuelling technology for its
combat aircraft). 

The ultra-nationalists on soc.culture.china are probably the
least of the worries.  

-han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa 42147)
Subject: Re: Intolerancia (Re: era Nacionalismo)
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:21:20 GMT

In article <29075@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> nmuller@ems.cdc.com writes:
[...]
>Primeiro voce acusa os BRASILEIROS por destruirem a amozonia, depois diz que
>nao somos brasileiros por sermos descendentes de europeu. Pela sua logica,
>os NATIVOS (indios) estao a destruir a amazonia, porque esses sim sao
>brasileiros, ou sera que sao os PORTUGUESES desfarcados de brasileiros.

Devagar com o andor. O Jose' Luis estava dizendo o obvio, ou seja, que
os "portugueses" que exploraram o Brasil foram em sua maioria nao os
antepassados dele proprio (os portugueses que ficaram na Europa,
cultivando a sua terrinha) e sim os nossos, que deixaram Portugal para
serem plantadores de acucar e cacadores de esmeraldas no Brasil.  (E
quando digo "nossos" falo de modo geral, ja' que os meus, como os de
muita gente, nem sequer tinham chegado ao Brasil na epoca da
independencia.)

>Alem do mais, a atitude de meus pais, avos, bisavos, etc., pouco tem a ver
>comigo.  Somos pessoas diferentes com pensamentos diferentes com liberdade
>de tomar atitudes proprias e sermos responsaveis por nossos proprios atos.

Exatamente. Uma atitude que e' exatamente igual `a do Jose' Luis em
seus artigos (e `a minha, BTW), e diferente daquela que os iniciadores
dessa discussao expressaram em relacao aos portugueses.

>Seu principio de me culpar por um eventual ato criminoso que um antepassado
>meu possa ter feito e' o mesmo principio que a Igreja catolica usou (ainda usa)
>durante quase 2,000 anos ao culpar os judeus pela morte de jesus. E' pura
>intolerancia religiosa, ou no seu caso racial.

Voce^ faria melhor em dirigir os seus ataques contra quem realmente
merece, em vez de criar um "strawman" (espantalho?) so' para desviar a
discussao para um assunto irrelevante ao que se esta' tratando (de
todas as vezes que se tem falado em judeus em s.c.b nesses ultimos
tempos, essa certamente ganhou o trofeu irrelevancia).
-- 
-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
From: pires@cs.utwente.nl (Luis Pires)
Subject: Paulistao 92
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:28:54 GMT

Aqui vai mais uma sobre o Paulistao 92:

(mensagem copiada do newsgroup rec.sport.soccer)

------------------
 Championship of state of Sao Paulo , Brazil
 *******************************************

 Group A (Oct. 4th)
 -------

  Guarani        3-2   Palmeiras
  Edu Lima (P)2(1)     Cuca 14(1)
  Edilson 10(1)        Evair (P) 29(2)
  Edu Lima 46(1)

  Sao Paulo      3-0   Corinthians
  Place - Morumbi      Att. 44.146.
  Muller 19(1)
  Palhinha 34(1)
  Ivan (P)34(1)

  Bragantino     0-1   Santos
                       Guga 30(1)

  Sao Carlense   0-2   Portuguesa
  Juventus       1-0   Noroeste
  Ituano         1-0   Botafogo
  Internacional  1-3   Santo Andre

 Group B (Oct. 4th)
 -------

  Novorizontino  3-0   Aracatuba
  Olimpia        1-0   Uniao Sao Joao
  Marilia        3-0   Catanduvense
  Ponte Preta    2-1   America
  Sao Jose       1-2   XV Jau
  Rio Branco     0-0   Ferroviaria
  XV Piracicaba  2-2   Mogi Mirim

 Group A
 -------

Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Sao Paulo       18  10   7   1    28-13     27
Corinthians     18   9   6   3    24-11     24
Santos          18   7   8   3    23-13     22
Guarani         18   6  10   2    21-17     22
Ituano          18   6   9   3    20-20     21
Portuguesa      18   5   9   4    19-13     19
------------------------------------------------
Palmeiras       18   5   8   5    13-11     18
Bragantino      18   6   5   7    16-18     17
Noroeste        18   5   7   6    14-16     17
Juventus        18   4   8   6    14-17     16
Santo Andre     18   3   9   6    14-20     15
Sao Carlense    18   4   6   8    17-23     14
Botafogo        18   4   5   9    15-26     13
Internacional   18   1   5  12    06-26     07

Group B
-------
Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Ponte Preta     19  11   7   1    32-18     29
Mogi Mirim      19  12   3   4    35-18     27
------------------------------------------------
Rio Branco      20  10   7   3    28-14     27
Uniao Sao Joao  20   8   8   4    25-20     24

 Next Games :   Wednesday
                Group A    Palmeiras     -  Botafogo
                           Portuguesa    -  Juventus
                           Santos        -  Internacional
                           Ituano        -  Corinthians
                           Sao Carlense  -  Sao Paulo
                           Santo Andre   -  Guarani
                Thursday   Noroeste      -  Bragantino

                Group B    Mogi Mirim     -  Novorizontino
                           Ferroviaria    -  XV Piracicaba
                           XV Jau         -  Rio Branco
                           America        -  Sao Jose
                           Catanduvense   -  Ponte Preta
                           Uniao Sao Joao -  Marilia
                           Aracatuba      -  Olimpia

---------------

E o tricolor continua na frente!!

	Luis
From: ddam@ukc.ac.uk (D.D.A.Moreira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Futuro economico
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:44:04 GMT
Reply-To: ddam@ukc.ac.uk (D.D.A.Moreira)
Organization: Electronics Lab, Universitrbury, UK.


   
   Extraido da Veja 07/10/92 sem autorizacao:
 
Pag 41
 
O Tratamento possivel:
 
O que da' para fazer imediatamente e vai ajudar bastante:
 
INFLACAO - E' possivel tentar algum remedio, sem pacotes. Pode haver
um pacto com grandes setores industriais. Talvez um ligeiro controle
sobre precos de produtos basicos.
 
JUROS - As taxas de juros, hoje de 4% reais ao mes, podem sofrer
uma pequena reducao, suficiente para estimular um pouco o consumo
sem descontrolar a inflacao.
 
IMPOSTOS - Um ajuste fiscal de emergencia e' decisivo. O Estado
pode arrecadar mais cobrando dos que nao pagam. E pode gastar
menos.
 
PRIVATIZACAO - O programa deve continuar. Se for acelerado e a
forma e pagamento mudar, o governo arrecada mais algum dinheiro.
 
MODERNIZACAO - Nao ha' volta. E' preciso manter a abertura co-
mercial, aprovar a reforma dos portos e as leis de patentes, reformar
a previdencia e conceder servicos publicos a iniciativa privada.

RECESSAO - Pode-se criar estimulos para a iniciativa privada,
como a construcao civil. Pode-se tambem elevar um pouco o salario
minimo.
 
Pag 43
 
LIQUIDO VISCOSO - Equivocam-se os afoitos do liberalismo quando
imaginam que o Estado nao deve intervir na vida do pais, inclusive no
setor economico. O Estado moderno deve, sim, apontar diretrises para
os empresarios, incentivar campos que julgue estrategicos. Muito di-
ferente disso, e atrasada, e' a atitude do Estado que vai produzir aco
ou tocar empresas de navegacao no Rio Sao Fransisco, que e' o caso bra-
sileiro.Ou, para nao fugir ao tabu, do Estado que julga o petroleo um
combustivel do patriotismo quando em outros paises ele ja' se trans-
formou a muito  tempo num liquido viscoso, grudento, que serve para
tocar motores ou lubrificar juntas.
    O pais ja' pagou um preco muito altos pelos seus erros.Na decada de
80, quando a crise da divida externa brecou os investimentos dos extran-
geiros no Terceiro Mundo, uma boa parte dos paises em condicao seme-
lhante ao Brasil iniciou seus ajustes internos. Abordando o modelo es-
tatizante e intervencionista, abriram suas economias a competicao
externa, combateram a inflacao com eficiencia e realismo e hoja estao
crescendo.
   O Brasil, no inicio da decada de 80, era um tigre em potencial, pronto
para subir de divisao. No segundo ano da decada de 90, esta atormen-
tado por uma crise caotica, com uma inflacao insuportavel e crises
convulsivas de crescimento e de recessao. "Se tivessemos encarado nos-
sos problemas nos anos 80, o sofrimento teria sido maior. Em compen-
sacao hoje estariamos crescendo como os que fizeram o sacrificio na
hora certa", diz o professor Eduardo Giannetti.

                                                  DILVAN

--------------------------
   ddam@ukc.ac.uk
From: mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor)
Subject: Re: Suplicy
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:44:04 GMT

>>Eu presumo que voce tenha dados estatisticos para provar o que voce
>>falou. Voce tem a porcentagem de Judeus com padrao economico acima de
>>media e a porcentagem de judeus na sociedade em geral? Voce tem o
>>perfil politico dos judeus na sociedade brasileira?

Nao, nao tenho nenhum dado estatistico.
So' o chutometro mesmo.

>>Quantos latifundiarios assassinos voce conhece que sejam judeus?
Hummm, nenhum.
Para ser mais sincero nao conheco nenhum latifundiario.

>>Quantos assassinos voce conhece que sejam judeus?
Nenhum.
Hummm, talvez Jack o estripador...


>>Assim de acordo com a sua explicacao eu posso dizer que os nao-judeus
>>da sociedade (gentios) nao votam no PT porque sao assassinos e possuem
>>grandes quantidades de terra!
>>Cuidado com as estatisticas!!!!


>>Eu ja' vi muitos gentios dizendo que viram Maria aparecer em varios
>>lugares, dai a nao votar no Supla, e' um pulo!!!!

Pois e', eu ja' vi' um disco voador comprovado
em uma das minhas viagens SaoJose/BH, (que por sinal fez parar
de funcionar todo o sistema eletrico do meu carro), e nem por
isto voto no Caiado.


 
>>  Deivy (judeu declarado e PTista convicto! So' para foder as estatisticas)

Gilberto


PS: Ok, eu me rendo. Vamos falar da influencia do voto dos jogadores
 de futebol corinthianos na eleicao para vereador em SP. :)

PS2: Ou entao vou comecar a discutir racismo.... :)