Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shame on you Zafar!
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Oct13.212019.5081@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <Bw2n6H.A58@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>
>>to all you dumb shits out there. i think that your sexual slurs against a female
>>are totally repulsive, and even though i think she is an arrogant dumb shit
>>who thinks she is always right and likes to put down others who disagree with
>>her, i don't think it is appropriate or very islamic for the defenders of
>>islam to use non-islamic tactics to get a point across, in islam the end does
>>not justify the means. 
>>to our intellectual atheists, science is not the end all be all of knowledge
>>or existence. science is only the beginning. you guys should know better.
>>i'll talk to you later.
>>
>>zafar
>
>Shame on you Zafar! All this mess happened because of YOU and your awkward
>discussion with Mahin. How dare you condemn others while you called Mahin
>"honey" and still are using bad words. Shall I remind you of your words of
>wisdom:
>
>> I see myself as doing Da'wah, and I am doing Da'wah the way the Prophets did,
>> the way the Quran did. "Do it in a way that is better than the rest." To get
>> mad, to get upset, be sarcastic, etc. is not the way of a Da'i.
>
>I see! Is this the way the Prophet(s) did Da'wa?!!!
>Shame on you and your logic and your personality.
>
>Seyyed.

I'm sorry I even entertained her "discussion". The kind of person that she is
she will insult any one who believes in Islam because she does not believe it.
She called Assad as some one with a wasted mind or something like that because
he politely tried to tell her somethings about Islam. I'm sorry for calling her
honey, I would never call anyone like her "honey". I was wrong for that. But as
far as the sexual slurs, calling someone a dumbshit or a honey is a far cry 
from what I have seen here. So that is why you guys did not see me participate
in the discussion. Well as far as my logic and personality, no ones logic or
personality is perfect, and I for one regret this whole thing.

The way this discussion has been going one would think some stupid things like
Islam is against women or some other crap like that. Well some people, like
Assad said are not interested in Islam and will find anything they can get there
hands on to criticize it even if the correlation that they are finding is only
nominal.

I should say however, that I have never seen a discussion like this before in
my whole life. When someone says something against Islam, then a whole group
of people tell her to find a man or something like that. Mahin said well it is
the religious people who are doing this. Well I was once invited to a party 
where something like this almost happened. 

An old couple were talking about the good old days when the Shah was in power.
They were not religious, a lady responded to them, she was not religious either,by saying that the Shah was a dictator who killed a lot of people and sold the
country for American military parts etc., even that couple said that she should
get married and all that stuff. And the old lady was even more gung ho about 
that idea than the old man.

But the conversation was cut short because it was time to eat or something 
like that. So this sort of phenomenon is not limited to the religious people.
I might point out that I have never seen any other group of people do such a
thing. I might hate someone for insulting muslims or whatever, but I wouldn't
even entertain the idea that sexual slurs would be sufficient to put down the
person.

The idea that the old lady I was referring to participated in such a diuscussion
proves outright Mahin's either ignorance or willful twisting of Iranian society
that it is the MEN who have some sort of sexual deviant ideas as a result of
religion or some stupid thing like that. Why would a woman do such a thing to
another woman? I am not condoning such an act, but Mahin is probably not 
interested in knowing that such things are not a male thing. Probably so many
males responded in such a manner is because there are so many males on this
net. Oh well. What the hell.

In short you so-called defenders of Islam used the wrong method. I did too, but
you guys just went over board. The end does not justify the means and hopefully
all the people on these wonderful nets with the exception of the racists, will 
be a more happy kind of bunch.

salam alaikum wa rahmatullah 

zafar

p.s. now it is time for me to do my power lifting
hafiz-ullah