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/ hpscit:rec.video.production / asl00@ccc.amdahl.com (Andrew Lee) /  7:11 pm  Sep  1, 1992 / writes:

>Can anyone tell me why flagging errors occur during editing?  I have
>a Panasonic AG1960 and every so often have this problem.  This looks
>very unprofessional and I've sometimes gone back and re-edited or  
>inserted frames to cover them up. 

>A flagging error looks like a loss of control track for one frame, 
>usually (maybe always) the first frame of an edit.   When viewing,
>the one frame appears to "drop" and is slightly visible.  It's 
>really kind of hard to describe.

>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

I think the problem occurs because the 1960 lacks a frame servo control or 
frame lock capability. I noticed the same problem when I used this deck. It
happens because of the odd/even field nature of a frame. Without a frame lock
capability, the deck may take an edit from an odd field to an odd field 
instead of odd to even. 

Without that capability, which is found in industrial/professional decks, you
are left to chance and have to do what you said in your first paragraph.

Joe Oliverio
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: SMTPE color bar values
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:57:18 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Sep10.230648.14045@ictv.com> barry@ictv.com (Barry Lustig) writes:
<
<Does anybody have the RGB color values for the colors in the SMTPE
<color bars?  I'm trying to put together an image and want to make sure
<that I do it right.

I think this was answered once before and I know something is a little 
different than what I am going to say here.

The main problem is that you are talking about apples and oranges.  The SMPTE
color bars are used in broadcast television.  RGB values aren't, at least not
exactly.

The 6 colors are pure red, blue and green.  The other three colors are mixes
of the first three; yellow (red & green), cyan (blue and green) and magenta
(red & blue).  All are 100% of the mentioned colors.

But, when broadcast the colors, from left to right are:
	white, yellow, cyan, green, magenta, red, blue and black

The mean voltage luminance level of the above, in respective order are:
	  .7     .623   .49   .413   .287    .21   .077

I don't know how you are going to do that with RGB, since you don't have
luminance with RGB, only with composite video systems.
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Flagging errors
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <9aCS02Ss20r.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> asl00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Andrew Lee) writes:
<
<Thanks for the info.  Really helps to know technically why it happens
<and how to prevent it.  I'll see what I can find out.

No problem.  Even with the current decks that I have, I sometimes still get
flagging edits, not because of my decks screwing up, but the TV station's
equipment being at fault.  I won't explain what is wrong, but suffice it to
say that my only cure to fix it is to run the bad source tape through my TBC.

I don't use a TBC for regular UmaticSP-to-UmaticSP dub editing.  It just adds
an extra level of video noise.

When you get a field error edit, the cure is not to try a insert edit in another
piece of video.  Keep in mind that all you'll do is shift the error to the cut
out point.  If you want to know why, send e-mail.
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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:40:49 GMT

2 cents worth on paint and modelling programs for the PC:
TOPAS plus either rapid render board or a 486 50 or 66mhz
machine.  TIPS is an adequate opaint program designed to
work in a video environment (TIPS stands for truevision
image processing softeware)  Lumena is top of the line pc paint
program.  RIO an excellent cg program.  Digital Arts and Crystal
also good programs but I like topas for its mac-like interface.

Most exciting paint program I've seen in a long time is Painter
for the macintosh.  It's designed to work along with photoshop.
None of the familiar quick draw tools, only brushes of chalk, 
wet or dry markers, colored pencils, oil pastels, etc, and
lots and lots of paper textures.  A dynamite program.

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Departemnt
RIT
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud)
Subject: Re: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Something fatal.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:54:09 GMT

I was told by several people that the new Broadcast Titler II paired with
a Super Denise chip will produce higher quality output for less money than
the Toaster CG.  It will produce 35ns fonts and the controls are supposed to
be better.  That might be the best alternative for a dedicated CG.

In addition, one should consider the Firecracker 24-bit board as a paintbox.
It's an EXCELLENT unit.

Jerry Dischler    disc@quads.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock)
Subject: Re: SuperGen info wanted
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:08:26 GMT
Organization: The Space Vessel Arcadia
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep10.161818.4627@cs.unca.edu> streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter) writes:
>The subject sums it up -- I'm considering buying one for our Amiga
>(currently running a truly awful Amiga 2300 genlock board) and would be
>appreciative of any information you'd be willing to share.  Any praise,
>caveats, anecdotes, or other info would be appreciated.
>
>BTW, here's the configuration as it stands:
>
>Amiga 2000 (w/20 mb HD, 1 mb chip RAM, 2mb fast RAM).
>ProVideo Post
>DVideoIII
>DPaintIII 
>
>with the intent to use it as a CG/external key source for an Alta
>Centaurus switcher (which, in turn, is part of an S-VHS A/B roll edit
>bench).

Woa...S-VHS?  Are you using S-VHS or Y/C ins and outs? then you need the
SuperGen 2000S, the S-VHS version.  More expensive of course, but more
features beyond that, also.
If you're using composite, read on...


Well, I own one and do all my work with it.  It's a great little genlock,
and probably the most popular and most supported 16 bit genlock for the Amiga.

Along with it's fader bars in interupt dissolve (fade 1 color at a time),
it has a notch filter...it filteres out high frequency noise, getting rid
of the bleed on the edges of the graphics. The graphics become fuzzier when
you do this, but for some graphics it works great, and others it's fine
with the filter off.

Let me quote from the Amigaworld video special issue:

"Vectorscope tests prove the quality of the SuperGen.  if you want to meet more
than minimum requirements for clean signals in industrial and broadcast
settings without spending big bucks, give this genlock a shot.  SuperGen
gets the "Industry Standard" award.

And yes, there's a "key out" port on it.

And prices...well, it's 799 retail...I think 100 less mail order or good
store price.  You can find them used for 400-500.  You can shoot me when
I say this, but I found mine for $200.  once in a lifetime thing.  heh.


If ya wanna know more, post or email.

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From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn 1.16c (6/22/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:58:27 GMT
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

In article <1992Aug29.222433.24616@umr.edu> quandt@mcs213g.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt) writes:
>Looking to get poeples opinions
>on computer based CG's, paint programs and 3d modelers/animators.
>What packages are the best.  Which ones are what could be considered
>professional quaility??  I'm mostly interested in packages that can
>be found on either the Amiga or PC or both.
>

	Well thats very very simple.

For the best Character Generator and 3D modeler I say definately the
TOASTER!!!

For paint program its a throw up between DCTV.PAINT and TV Paint. DCTV
paint comes with DCTV device for amiga and TV.Paint comes seperately at
999 list price.

Thats for amiga.. if you want a mac... definately Photoshop

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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: SMTPE color bar values
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:19:21 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Sep10.230648.14045@ictv.com> barry@ictv.com 
(Barry Lustig) writes:

>Does anybody have the RGB color values for the colors in the SMTPE
>color bars?  I'm trying to put together an image and want to make sure
>that I do it right.

I suggest that you use a properly calibrated vector scope and waveform
monitor if you *really* wand to be sure.

How about a signal generator that generates the correct SMPTE split
field color bars?


-- 
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Burning motion picture film
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:03:58 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <Bu6tIK.LGo@world.std.com> dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B. Smith) writes:
<Just curious -- I was just reading a detective novel, Robert B. Parker's
<1975 Spenser novel _Mortal Stakes_, and suddenly wondered about the
<accuracy/plausibility of a scene in it. Spenser has just received the
<master print of the pornographic film that's being used to blackmail
<the wife of the baseball pitcher who's suspected of shading games ...
<well, anyway: 
<
<"I went into the bathroom and stripped the film off the reel into the tub.
<I got the package of complimentary matches from the bedside table and
<lit the film.  When it had burned up, I turned on the shower and washed
<the remnants down the drain."
<
<Well, that set me to thinking.  This is taking place in the book's present,
<i.e. 1975, so we aren't talking nitrate film or anything like that. 
<The film has sound, and it's a "master print" so it's probably 16 mm,
<and I'd assume it's at least half an hour long.  I'm not quite sure just
<how you'd "strip it off the reel," BTW.  Anyway, I'm trying to visualize
<the whole thing, and a) I'm not sure a whole reel of film would actually
<FIT into a bathtub.  b) I'm not sure how easy it is to burn film.  Certainly
<when a projector stops, the frame in the gate bubbles, blackens, and burns,
<but it's very noticeable that it does NOT set fire to the REST of the film,
<and a good thing, too.  Could you just touch a match to a bathtub full of
<film and get a sustained fire?

Well, you are right in doubting this fire.  Film will not burn.  It will melt
from heat, but it will not ignite.  It would have to have been doused in a
flamable substance, and then you couldn't be sure to melt everything.

Striping it off the reel just meant that it was unwound off the reel.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: katz@clarity.Princeton.EDU (Irvin Katz)
Subject: Sony CCD-V801 replaced?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Cognitive Science Lab
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:10:36 GMT

Recently I've been trying to acquire a second Sony V801 camcorder.
Many of the distributors in my area claim that the V801 is
discontinued.  I've not been able to reach Sony for comment, however.
Has anyone heard if the V801 is discontinued?  If it is, what new
equipment replaced it?  Does the new equipment support RC time code (I
already have another V801 and a VDeck for computer-based editing, so
RC support is a key issue for me)?

Any help appreciated,

irv

ikatz@rosedale.org
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From: ss@mammoth.berkeley.edu (Srinivasan Seshan)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Flagging errors
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:58:16
Organization: Utter Chaos
NNTP-Posting-Host: mammoth.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: joeo@hpscit.sc.hp.com's message of Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:35:15 GMT

   >Can anyone tell me why flagging errors occur during editing?  I have
   >a Panasonic AG1960 and every so often have this problem.  This looks
   >very unprofessional and I've sometimes gone back and re-edited or  
   >inserted frames to cover them up. 

   >A flagging error looks like a loss of control track for one frame, 
   >usually (maybe always) the first frame of an edit.   When viewing,
   >the one frame appears to "drop" and is slightly visible.  It's 
   >really kind of hard to describe.

   >Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

   I think the problem occurs because the 1960 lacks a frame servo control or 
   frame lock capability. I noticed the same problem when I used this deck. It
   happens because of the odd/even field nature of a frame. Without a frame lock
   capability, the deck may take an edit from an odd field to an odd field 
   instead of odd to even. 

   Without that capability, which is found in industrial/professional decks, you
   are left to chance and have to do what you said in your first paragraph.

   Joe Oliverio


Some novice questions on this subject:
can you use an infinite window TBC to correct this? or is there any alternative
to using the industrial decks?

I do a fair amount of editing from a laser source, and I have only seen this
happen on edits that I make from CLV discs.  All the editing that I have
ever done from CAV has come out fine.  Is there a reason for this, or have
I been extremely lucky?

Thanks for the info....  Considering that I'm in the market for a new
s-deck, this info may give me a good reason (finally) to go to the full
industrial decks vs. the "pro-sumer" lines.

Ken

P.S  Anyone have info on what the AG-5700 is?  how does it compare to the
AG-7350 and AG-7750 as far as price and performance (and features, come to 
think of it)...
From: buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: TOP LOADING QUAZAR VCR WANTED
Keywords: Broken, Top loading, VCR
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:24:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: National Federation of the Blind of California


Hello Video types.  I don't know if this is the appropriate group to be
posting this message in, but here goes.
	I am looking for an early model Quazar top loading VCR.  I'd give the
specific model number, but my only interests are that it be top loading,
and that it be a two head model.  It need not work and the case need not be
in excellent shape.
	If anyone has such a beast lying in their garage, attic, etc.  Mail
me.
	Thanks in advance.
-Brian <buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org>
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Burning motion picture film
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:45:09 GMT

You're quite right, there is no such thing as a "master print"
The term is an oxymoron.  Prints are made from the master.  And
the master doesn't have sound on it either.  

Stripping a reel is easy: put a pencil in the reel and pull on the film.

If it's a half hour film, we're talkin' 1100 feet of film times
16mm (say .66 inches) -- the back of my envelope says 60 square
feet (assuming film has no thickness).  Probably would fit in
a bathtub.  Probably would start a sustainable fire.  Probably
would result in a call to the F.D.

UNLESS this was an amateur movie done on ancient equipment and
was shot with 16mm, single system, sound on film equipment like
an ols Auricon camera.

Erik Timmerman
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: AT-Vista boards and Incriber.RTX
From: conrad@actrix.gen.nz (Conrad Bullock)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:13:39 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

We are looking at Image North Technologies' Inscriber.RTX titling package,
running on PCs with ATVista 4M boards (As opposed to a dedicated machine
like the Aston), for a new television station.

Does anybody have any experience with this package? Good/bad points?
Problems/experiences?

Secondly, we are looking at using this package on ATVista 4M (PAL) boards,
since that is what the package supports. Does anyone have any comment on
the quality or otherwise of these boards?
The local dealer for the system wants to charge us NZ $11,000 (about
US $6,000) per board. Is this a realistic price? It seems a bit high
to me, so I'm interested in what the US price is.
From: andyp@treehouse.uucp (Andy Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: D-1 Safe Area #'s?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:39:36 GMT
Organization: The Treehouse

In article <1992Sep13.195249.24171@news.iastate.edu> 
boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan) writes:
>
>Is there an "official" safe region for digital video?  Or do we have to do
>it the old fashioned way -- by guess and by golly?

The Safe Title area is 10% in from each edge.  The Safe Action area is 5% 
in from each edge.
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(916) 273-4569                      
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From: kranburg@hlunx3.uto.dec.com (Otto van Kranenburg)
Subject:  Can I (Europe) buy edit equipment in the US ?
Reply-To: kranburg@hlunx3.uto.dec.com (Otto van Kranenburg)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:20:57 GMT

-Hi All,

I'm new to this conference and a novice to video-editing.

I own a Sony F455E camera and now like to enter into the editing process.
I don't intend to do very complicated things, just some simple (cheap)
editing and
titling.

I've read a lot of notes in this conference and have been attracted by the
Videonics DirectED Plus. Another choice might be one of the Sony units like
the RME-300 or RME-700. 

With th current (low) dollar rate, it might be attractive to buy in the US.
The DirectED Plus for instance sells overhere (Holland) for $800 and the Sony
RME700 for $1040. I have seen someone mentioning a USA price for the DirectED
as low as $350, don't know about the Sony units (can anybody fill me in on 
those ?).

Of course I know about the differences between the TV systems in the USA (NTSC)
and Europe (PAL), which make "normal" TV's, camera's or VCR's non-usable on the
other side of the Atlantic. I've further noticed that none of the Sony camera's
sold in the US are sold overhere (and the other way around), for sure for the
reason mentioned above.

However none of the notes in this conference have been discussing possible 
difference between editing machines in the US and Europe. Also the Sony models
for the US and Europe seem to be the same, so this made me wonder whether or
not editing machines are different too.

Is there anybody who can made some statements about this ?

Thanks,
Otto

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From: barry@ictv.com (Barry Lustig)
Subject: SMTPE color bar values
Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:06:48 GMT


Does anybody have the RGB color values for the colors in the SMTPE
color bars?  I'm trying to put together an image and want to make sure
that I do it right.


Thanks,


Barry Lustig		barry@ictv.com
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From: bjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN JAY SCHRAGGER)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: HELP!PARTS OF OLD VIDEO SWITCHER
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:18:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am not usualy known to do sill things but this one takes the cake.  I wanted
a video effects switcher so I could use it to teach my small video class 12
students and I wanted one big enough so I could use it for regular camercal
perposes, live tv, conserts, tv programs, post production.  Well though one of
my In-Laws I got a contact from someone who had aquired some video equipment
by military lot and some of it included a switcher.  I thought I was real
slick by geting it at the same cost that they payed for it.  Their department
had dropped the video production Idea.
    Well I got it all right I now have half (1/2) a Cross Point Latch 6112
Thats the bigger version of the 6119.  I have the Switching control Box. I am
looking for anyone who might have or knows who might have or where I could get
the other hafe (1/2) of the system.  The one with all the video imputs and
outputs.  If it has the cromaKey and Genlock Cards in that would be OK too.  I
am looking to by the other hafe or sell this hafe.  The only thing it is good
for now is set dressing and action props, (you know like a cheap Star Wars
leftover).   Just send it E-Mail THANKS


    
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 "Mmmm..." Star Navigator
From: elgreco@milton.u.washington.edu (Jared Vogt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: What the heck is it?
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:45:27 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I just purchased a video editing system and I know nothing about it.  It is
or rather consists of a Panasonic AU-300, Ampex ARC-40 and an Ampex ARC-30
standalone editor.  I bought it because it was surplus and real, real cheap.
Problem is, it has no documentation, etc.  Help, what is this and where can
I find manuals.
Thanks in advance
Jared
elgreco@u.washington.edu
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Sony CCD-V801 replaced?
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

I don't know whether or not the 801 has been discontinued.  But I have
seen many of them around in the Ritz camera stores.  Occasionally I
also see them in the Impulse electronics stores, which are located in
some shopping malls.
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