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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: That Elvis thing
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:17:40 GMT

In article <1SEP199207445068@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>In article <krikket.6777@meltdown.chi.il.us>, krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes...
>>In article <1992Aug27.064530.13591@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU
>>(Bear Giles) writes:
>> 
>>>Does this mean pagans can breath freely?  Not really.  It's pretty
>>>clear that the Republicans are on the ropes, but the conservative
>>>branch is already planning it's comeback in '94.  Sorry, '96.  
>>>
>>>The next four years won't be as bad as they would have been under
>>>Bush II (sounds like a B-grade horror movie), but they won't be a
>>>cakewalk either.
>> 
>>Actually, I don't know if I should be more scared if Bush ot Clinton got into
>>power...  Actually my fear isn't of Clinton himself, but of his runningmate Al
>>Gore.  Keep in mind that this is the person who is married to Tipper Gore, and
>>has backed her in politics up to now.  Tipper Gore anywhere near power scares
>>me shitless.  She helped form the PMRC, which got many records self-banned (by
>>the record companies, and helped get groups like the Dead Kennedies ARRESTED)
>>because they don't support "traditional family values".
>> 
>>Either way we are going to be in for hell over the next few years...
>> 
>
>I felt the same way.  I remember feeling my heart sink into the
>pit of my stomach when I heard that Clinton selected Al Gore as
>his running mate.  It wasn't Gore himself, it was Tipper that made
>my heart sink.  While Gore isn't that great, he at least has our
>view of the envirnoment and is working like a dog trying to change
>things for "Mother Earth".

I think this is far more important than Tipper's snowballs'-chance-in-
hell of coming into power.  Come ON -- when was the last time the First
Lady But One did anything?  I was delighted to hear that Al Gore was
chosen.  Read some of his book about the ecological crisis and tell me
you don't want someone that knowledgeable in the veep-seat. 

>While the thought of Tipper being so close to power, I had to sit
>back and think. Bush = No; Perot = No; Clinton = Yes then
>Quayle = No; Gore = No.  
>
>So I plan to vote for Clinton and hope to hell that we can keep
>a reign on Tipper.

I don't think we have to worry about that, honestly.  She did puh-LENTY
without being anywhere NEAR what you call "power."  What difference is
this going to make?  Al Gore's knowledgeable environmental policy is
worth the vanishing chance that Tipper would stage a coup d'etat. 

Blessings,
Janis
From: manes@tandon.com (Dane Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Church of All Worlds?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:38:53 GMT
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA

In article <krikket.6753@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us writes:
>
>Yup, these guys are "for real".  One person in reviewing them said it was like
>Heinlein meets Ayn Rand.  (How they got that, I dunno, but...)  They are your
>average Paganistic Church...  :)
>
>I would answer more in depth, but I have never worked with them.  This also the
>group that is trying to form the United Federation of Pagans.

Well, I'm going to check them out in the early part of November.  They're 
having an open circle then.  I'll let you know.


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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <flame risk HIGH>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:04:32 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Ciaran, you've mixed up the Templars with the Teutonic Knights; it was the latt
er who did a job on Prussia and eventually also other Baltic and Slavic lands.
 I certainly agree with your dislike of crusading orders, but rage is more effe
ctive when combined with knowledge.  -- Robert
From: liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: republican delema
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:14:41 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

> In article <BtqDz0.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davi
> > 
>     [stuff deleted]
> > Also, the electoral system in this country makes it very difficult for smal
> > party candidates in presidential elections.  To get *any* electoral votes, 
> > candidate must win a whole state.  The last time we had a president who was
> > a Democrat or a Republican was in 1848, when the Whig party (the victorious
> > one) was the standard conservative party of the time, as the Republican 
> > party is now.  The U.S. has never had a president who was not one of the tw
> > big parties since the parties came into existence.  George Washington was t
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > *only* president the U.S. have *ever* had who was not part of the two big
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > parties.
>   ^^^^^^^^
> > Sad, but true.
> > 
> 
> Actually, it's not true.  I believe Teddy Roosevelt was first elected
> from a third-party candidacy - something like the "Bull & Moose" Party (!)
> Can anyone verify this??
> 
> Richard
> (Tuneweaver)
> 
>         "If you love that politician, pull the chain
>          Send the world of woe and trouble down the drain
>          It's the road to satisfaction, it's a natural reaction;
>          If you love that politician, pull the chain"
> 
>          -- Words of wisdom from Tom Paxton

        I can verify the above. Mr. Roosevelt was from the Bull Moose 
party when he was first elected.
                                Blessed Be,
                                         Liam

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From: blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech)
Newsgroups: sunyab.org.arsa,alt.pagan,alt.magic,talk.religion.newage
Subject: ATTENTION: SUNYAB ARSA MEETING 04-SEPT-1992 Come one come all
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:16:05 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic University Graduate Program



	Attention UB! Your Alternative Religions SA (ARSA) will be
holding its first meeting of the fall semester on Friday September 4th
1992 at 4pm in front of Kiva, Baldy 101. 
	Come light the incense, come chant the phrases of power, come
eat the brain of ancient egyptian witches, come meet the occultists
and arcanists of SUNY at Buffalo.
	We want to meet you, you want to meet us. Well you might not
now but you will soon. 
	Come eat rose petals, lie on your backs and see weird things,
learn about the Necronomicon, find out where secret ELF meetings are
held, remove all your clothes and dance naked with other uninhibited
people, learn all the herbalist lore you can handle and then make all
kinds of potions. 

	Make people you desire your willing slave!!!!!
	Increase your IQ through magick!!!!

Come to the meeting.

Love, Light and Peace.
Cancholech.











Disclaimer: We do not claim any mystical powers or the ability to
drastically alter your life without lots of self-motivation. The above
is intended to get your attention, to make attend a meeting, have a
good time, meet weird people and for entertainment purposes only.

	

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: arciordi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andy Ciordia)
Subject: Can Someone help?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:56:10 GMT


I have asked earlier, for information on learing the Techniques of
magik/teachings of all sorts of pagan kinds, yet I recieved no response.. 
I am living in Charlotte North Carolina, does anyone know anything on
someone I could contatct to help me with this?  I take all suggestions and
questions openly.. So pleases respond..
 
Andy C. - AKA Damon


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: encryption and freedom
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:09:39 GMT

Um, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything pagan, but I'll be
naughty and post this anyway.

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
> Uh, with a public-key system, the amount of ciphertext is irrelevant.  Rather
> than muck about with text, the most efficient course of action is a
> mathematical attack on your public key; yes it *does* take a lot of computer
> time, but less and less each year.  (Heck-- each day!)  And once the BadGuys
> have derived your private key from the public, decryption is as easy for them
> as it is for you.

Just a minor point -- it isn't like they have to find YOUR private key.
If I remember correctly, there are several keys which can be used to
decode a message encoded with your public key.  Most of them consist
of garbage characters -- if you have a "rememberable" key that is similar
to a word or phrase, the other keys might look like a random assortment of
characters.

I'm actually not sure that the RSA system is like this.  What I'm saying
is based on a couple of encryption schemes that I've worked with a little
in the past, and some papers and books written on encryption schemes, and
it's from a few years ago, so it could be dated.

But on the other hand, you should also keep in mind that this kind of
encryption is better than nothing at all.  Sort of like locking your
car -- it only takes a few seconds for an accomplished thief to get
in, but you also want to protect against the more amateur thieves.

Blessings!

		-- radzy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson quote (good for a nervous laugh)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:54:06 GMT

In article <co78PB5w164w@ailanth.UUCP> wang!ailanth!ailsa@ulowell.ulowell.edu (temporary) writes:
>corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>
>> In article <16353@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsi
>> >Seen on rec.humor:
>> >
>> > Religous broadcaster Pat Robertson, who is always good for a laugh, is
>> >actively campaigning against Iowa's proposal to put the Equal Rights
>> >Amendment on their state constitution. Wire Reports reports he said in
>> >a letter last month that the ERA is part of a "feminist agenda" that
>> >"is not about equal rights for women." Instead, he wrote, "it is about a
>> >socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to
>> >leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
>> >capitalism and become lesbians."
>> >
>
>humurously enough, if you look through the pat-speak, he's right.  socialist?
>by his yardstick, anyone of good will is a socialist.  anti-family?  we know
>what he means by that, he means that we support some other family than that of
>ward and june cleaver.  leave their husbands?  sure, if he's a jerk and they
>want to, why not?  kill their children?  folks, je's talking about abortion
>here.  practice witchcraft?  why shoudln't wicca and goddess spirituality be
>encouraged?  destroy capitalism?  great idea!  although practically any agenda
>put forth that doesn't match his is an attempt to destroy capitalism in his
>eyes.  become lesbians?  lesbians need all the support they can get.  and
>besides, as kate clinton says, we DO want the best for people!  B)
>
>                                                -ailsa

Yo, ailsa. I did not write the above, I responded to it. What you claim I
wrote was actually posted by Richard Darsi. Fortunately you didn't respond
with anything I disagree with. I just hope your intent was to give me
credit for a witty post, and not blame me as a Robertson supporter. If you
kept my original response, please go back and read it. I'm glad your post
was harmless to me... this time. I ask, and kindly, that you please be more
careful in the future. I don't want to be branded for something I didn't
say. I can get myself in enough trouble without any help. ;-)

Bb,

Corun (who buys his razors at Occam's Fine Cutlery)

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.201736.22525@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>
>In article <7522@monmouth.edu>, c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>> In article <2A9A8377.18422@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>> >
>> >If I need to keep a death-dealing device at my side at
>> >alltimes to insure that I don't get my rights taken away, I'm slitting
>> >my wrists right now.  The next life (if there is one) must be better
>> >than having to live like that.
>> 
>> 	Well, Janis, it was nice knowing you, and I'm really sorry to 
>> hear you won't be with us much longer.
>
>Is Janis moving to Canada??  ;)  

Quite frankly, it's a consideration.  The place is supposed to be
pretty, I've heard wonderful things about the cities (like, oh, they're
CLEAN), and the few Canadians I've met have been very pleasant.

As for WHERE, isn't Vancouver sometimes called "the most beautiful city
in North America"?  It's relatively close to where I am, and hey!  I've
been a hockey fan since my eyes could focus!  (I'd have to stop rooting
for the Flyers, though.  I know, so they suck.  I love them anyway.) 

The Magnificent Mikey and I are concerned about the reception that two
expatriate Americans would receive.  Doubtless a lot of Americans who
are considering leaving think of Canada first -- it's close and
culturally similar enough to be a fairly easy transition.  How do you
think Canadians would receive one of probably a large group of people
who are banging their door down?  Would we be seen as people poetically
yearning for a less oppressive life or some more goddamned Americans
looking for a free ride and hauling our sorry asses up to Canada like
everyone else?  (TMM will soon have a Ph. D. in physics, and I have a
Master's, so hopefully, we would be seen as assets and permitted to
emigrate.  Again, this is only a consideration now, an idea I'm playing
around with.  We have to wait and see what happens here.) 

Anyway, in your opinion, what would the reception be like for two
spiritually nebulous Americans with technical graduate degrees who are
more than a tad scared about what's going on here?  The one thing I can
remember pissing off one Canadian fellow I know (actually TMM knows him;
he's a student at U. of Toronto) is when an American prof said something
like "Oh, I just think of Canada as part of the US anyway."  (This prof
is an ultra-conservative right-wing boob.)  Neither TMM nor myself are
likely to pull any boners like THAT while in Canada; it's a FOREIGN
COUNTRY, as much as any other one, just similar in some respects.   

Blessings,
Janis  

P.S.: Apologies to those who think I should have asked this over e-mail;
it seemed important enough to all of us, since we're taking so much
space up discussing it, for me to post.
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Fundamentalism
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:39:53 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <16851BF76.PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu>, PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy
Proctor) writes:
>It really is happening before our very eyes.  And what is especially
>stressful is that many moderate Republicans seem to be willing to follow
>along after the extremists in order to preserve their party's power.
>Did you see all the reports about the legislative battle in Oregon.
>There are good Christian Republicans up there who want to make discrimination
>against homosexuals legal.
>First is queers, then abortion, prayer, next birth control.  Where will it
>end?  Witch burnings?

Witch burnings will probably be a LOT higher up on the list than "Birth
Control".  After all, we all know that we're really Satan worshippers in
disguise, right?  (smirk)

>People who seem to be decent human beings in every other respect can really
>go off the deep end with this fundamentalist crap and I'm not really sure
>there is anything we can do to stop it.
>Except vote Democratic, but that may only be a temporary measure.

I'm not even certian that this is a good idea either.  Don't forget about Al
Gore's track record of backing Tipper Gore (his wife) in destroying
"unsuitable" music to "protect our children", which lead to the arrests of
several band members on independant labels because (to quote the L.A. Police
Cheif) "it is cost effective."

A friend of mine retired from the U.S. Army a couple of months ago, and is
currently taking bets on how soon Clinton (if elected) is assisinated, so Gore
can take the Presidency.

On the other hand, something in our favor against the Republicans, apparently
Bush pissed off ALL of the U.S. Military involved in "Operation Desert Storm".
Apparently the King of Kuwait wanted to pay $10,000 to $100,000 (I forgot the
figure, but it was one of those two) to each and every U.S. Military person
stationed in the middle east to help Kuwait.  Bush said that the armed forces
couldn't accept, because it would smack too much of U.S. Mercinaries for
Hire...  Never mind that it would have given the economy the needed boost that
it needed, or that we weren't expecting payment when we went in, or...

>If you've got any ideas to roll back the tide, I'd sure like to hear them.

A lot of praying...

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From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:42:24 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> In article <7519@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) wri
> >In article <2A9A618F.7671@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis 
[...]
> Dunno.  I remember Archie Bunker saying that the way to keep hijacking
> from happening was to pass out guns to everybody onthe plane.  This
> sounds similar.  If I need to keep a death-dealing device at my side at
> alltimes to insure that I don't get my rights taken away, I'm slitting
> my wrists right now.  The next life (if there is one) must be better
> than having to live like that.

In the SCA we are rather fond of a saying (don't know who said it 
though):
   "An armed society is a polite society."


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Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:18:11 -0400 
From: "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Survey
	<1992Aug28.010835.18619@samba.oit.unc.edu>


Excerpts from netnews.sci.physics: 28-Aug-92 Re: Subject? Jim
Loucks@uts.amdahl.co (934)

> >My favorite has always been:

> >"Jesus died to forgive our sins.  Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless
> >by not committing them?"    Jules Feiffer,  "Little Murders"

Yes, yes, entertaining, but (as we have seen) this will still attract
posts to a thread which has gone too far already.

If you must continue in this vein, please please please remove the
non-religion newsgroups from the thread. Like soc.motss, sci.physics,
alt.religion.emacs, and I'm sure many others. Pleeeeeeze.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:51:18 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Aug28.020535.20478@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>Baphomet is the name of a god that Knights Templar were accused of praying
>to an idol of.  The name probably comes from a degeneration of "Mahomet".
>There is no evidence that the Templars actually *did* worship such a deity,
>mind you.  There are some books that claim that Templars were (present tense,
>at the time of the book) doing so, but they were written after there weren't
>any more Templars, and are therefor as reliable as a WWN Exclusive interview
>with Elvis.

	The theory goes that the story arose from Templars out there in
"Outremer" that had gone native and might have become Muslims.  From there
the "media" just exagerated everything.
	The Templars caught a lot of flak because they were a powerful
political and military force - and thus they annoyed other powerful
political and military forces ...

Carl

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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:30:13 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Aug26.201736.22525@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca
(Brad Booth) writes:
>
>In article <7522@monmouth.edu>, c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
write
>s:
>> In article <2A9A8377.18422@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis
M
>aria Cortese) writes:
>> >
>> >If I need to keep a death-dealing device at my side at
>> >alltimes to insure that I don't get my rights taken away, I'm slitting
>> >my wrists right now.  The next life (if there is one) must be better
>> >than having to live like that.
>> 
>>      Well, Janis, it was nice knowing you, and I'm really sorry to 
>> hear you won't be with us much longer.
>
>Is Janis moving to Canada??  ;)  

Canada, the "Great Hereafter", whatever.  It's the same thing...  :)

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