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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: K2000r Hardrive
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.165504.1035@rose.com>, lawrence.lougheed@rose.com (lawrence lougheed) writes:
|> 
|> Date Entered: 10-08-92 12:49
|> Can you add an internal hard drive to the K2000r?

Yes
From: rjt2@bnr.co.uk (Richard J. Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kawai K4r: Comparable Modules?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:35:52 GMT
Reply-To: rjt2@bnr.co.uk (Richard J. Thomas)
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, GB

Hello!

This is a request for information on behalf of my father who currently owns a
Yamaha PF80 Electronic Piano (Weighted keyboard action and acceptable
presets despite being FM) and an Atari 1040STE + sequencer software.

REQUIREMENTS: a budget synthesiser module providing decent multitimbrality,
with preset voices which are very useable without modification (i.e. a good
selection of samples and synthetic voices, including decent percussion samples).
The capability in generating new voices is not too important (unless the built
in ones are naff :-).

The K4r appeals because of its price (250 -> 300 pounds in UK), 16 bit PCM
samples, 8 way multitimbrality and effects processing.

So:

1. Any suggestions of other suitable modules around this price?

2. Any experiences of K4/K4r out there in netland?

3. Can extra PCM sample waveforms be added to the K4r via cards and what is
   the likely availability of such.. especially now it is to be discontinued?

Any feedback by e-mail or posted would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Richard Thomas
From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: pitch/modulation wheels
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:21:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1457000007@igc.apc.org>, Jeremy Wagstaff
<jwagstaff@igc.apc.org> writes:
|> 
|> pitch/modulation wheels
|> can anyone tell me whether it's possible to buy a pitch+/modulation
|> wheel
|> to be attached to a keyboard that doesn't have one? I really don't
|> want
|> to have to buy a whole new keyboard...
|> tks a bunch your help

Yamaha used to sell a nifty box with a few wheels, sliders and buttons. 
Was like $150.  Maybe you could ask around to get model #.  I'm sure
it's no longer in production.
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: My upcomming travel plans
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:19:00 GMT


This seemed to work so well for Metlay, I thought I might give it a try also.
Anyway, I haven't actually paid much attention to how many L.A. area 
rms-ters there are out there, but I figure there must be a reasonable
number.  My problem is I am not really fluent in California geography and
if I haven't been in a city/town, I probably don't know where it is, anyway.

First, I will be attending the Annual Meeting of the Society fo Neuroscience
in Anaheim from 25 October until the 29th or 30th of October.  For those of
you who don't know the society, all I can say is that at least 30% of the
15K members are as weird as anybody who reads this newsgroup (well, almost).
So, the Annual meeting usually means tremendous profits for local bars and
clubs.  At any rate, I generally have more free time at these things than I
know what to do with.  This is especially true in a sterile place like Anaheim.
I'll have a rental car so I'll be free to travel.  If anybody wants to meet,
just drop me some E-mail and we can set up whatever arrangements are necessary.

Even more important.. since I am going in and out of LAX I have decided that
I might as well attend CyberArts while I am in Southern CA.  If anybody else
is planning to go to Pasadena, I'd like to hear from you.  Maybe we can
link up.  As my reservations sit now, I will be going to CyberArts on at
least the 30th and 31st.  Depending on how scienced out I get at the Society
meeting, I might actually go up to Pasadena on the 29th.  So, I anticipate
that I will be at the CyberArts show from the 29th through the 31st.  If
the thing is really outrageous, I'll stay until the Nov 2.

Again, if anybody is up for getting together, let me know.

John
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: This is my last message to r.m.s.
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:22:00 GMT


Well, it looks like the net is finally rid of my annoyances.  As a result of
the Wendy Carlos post, and a followup personal email message I wrote to
someone who chastitized me for writing it, I fear that I will be loosing all
net privilages later today.  Unfortunately, in that personal e-mail reply
to the person who was offended contained the f-word.  Now, in the wake of
Tailgate incident, this matter will probably end up costing me a hell of a
lot more than my net access.  

So, to all people I have come to know through net interaction, I would like
to say Good-bye for now.  It was fun.  I guess that I never thought I would
write this kind of message because of language I used in a personal e-mail
message.  

If anybody needs to get in touch with me feel free to call me by phone
	(513) 429-9836 (home)
	(513) 255-6058 (work)

Any e-mail which needs to be sent can be sent to Metlay's netcom.com account.

Unfortunately, I have to make a Casuality Assistance Call to a set of parents
who have to be informed that their sailor son was found dead in Italy.

This day just seems to be turning great from all angles.

Sincerely,
John Rossi III
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:16359 rec.music.makers:10142 alt.emusic:321
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Keywords: HR16, Alesis, Librarian, IBM
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:36:30 GMT
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA


In article <1992Oct9.215454.27575@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:
|> Anybody else here get the opinion that maybe ASCAP is getting a little
|> greedy? First off, shouldn't they be going after the bands instead of
|> the bar? The bar doesn't tell the band what to play.

If I were just examining the issue for the first time, I might feel
the same way you do.

The problem is that the club owner is bucking an established system.
Most clubs, radio stations, and other venues where music might be
played have licenses already.  This club owner has refused to obtain
such a license, and in doing so has taken upon him/herself the burden
of making sure that no musicians play music that would require this
license.  If the club owner had taken this seriously, ASCAP
investigators would have found no violations.  In this case, I'd almost
say that it was the club owner that was being greedy.

As for who really should pay, that's an interesting issue, but I
think that the music business people covered it years ago and
came up with a system that seems to work.

(I removed comp.music from the newsgroups line because this really
isn't relevant to that group's charter.)

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: QY10 editor for Atari
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 13:58:55 GMT

I have an Atari and a QY10. I understand Yamaha in the U.K. was giving
away free Atari editors for the QY10. If anyone has such an editor and
give me some info on obtaining a copy, I'd appreciate hearing from them.


shiv@bnr.ca
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:16408 rec.music.makers:10160 alt.emusic:325
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Keywords: HR16, Alesis, Librarian, IBM
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:13:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Oct12.000915.18934@smsc.sony.com> dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct11.165102.14822@comp.lancs.ac.uk>, davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
>|> Well as you probably know by now I think the whole copyright issue stinks !
>
>What about it "stinks", Dave?
>
>I realize that it's confusing, but what are the problems you have with
>it?

Well the biggest problem in my opinion is that I'll never really know
what I am legally allowed to do with anything I play (or attempt to
play).  It sounds to me as if that I can play a few notes on my keyboard
and then 20 years later be sued for having done it. 

Davei
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Mix vs. EM review of the ADAT
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:05:00 GMT


I, sometimes, get lossed in net-reply syntax.  If it was the case where
Phil Galanter was agreeing that the Mix and EM reviews of the ADAT were
similar, I would have to say we were reading different versions of the
magazines.

First, as usual, the EM review was very superficial and basically was a report
of hands-on usage from a relatively novice perspective.  Sure, they did things
like punch in and out and all the other things you might do in your studio, and
gave a reasonable appraisal of the ADAT for such use.  Ine Mix review was
written for the more technically minded person, possibly even engineers.  Not
only did the Mix review discuss the superficial aspects of the ADAT operation,
they also took the time to open the box and actually tell us what is in it.
Now, I don't know about the rest of the population, but I was a lot more
reassured about Alesis' commitment to the ADAT when I read the specificity
of the Mix review, right down to the Burr-Brown a/d circuitry employed.

Personally, I found both the Keyboard and EM reviews to be rather limited and
non-revealing.  Clearly, because of the readership of Mix, there was a lot
more information given.  I continually find it annoying that publications for
musicians such as Keyboard and EM, continually write their articles and
reviews toward the 'least common denominator' musician capability.  In doing
this, they often leave out information that other people care about.  This
does not necessarily mean that the converter types need to have been reported,
but little things in the Mix article (i.e., the suggestion, after opening the
ADAT, that the unit was well designed, probably easily serviced because of
that design, and devinately over built [from a standard S-VHS chasis]) made me
a lot more likely to want to purchase an ADAT (because my main objection to
the concept id the S-VHS mechanism itself).  So, if you really want to find
oout something about the ADAT (other than that it works), you will want to
read the Mix review.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,comp.music,alt.emusic
From: boogie@iastate.edu (Jeffrey L Sturges)
Subject: HR16 Librarian
Summary: Looking for an Alesis HR16 Librarian 
Keywords: HR16, Alesis, Librarian, IBM
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:55:58 GMT

 I'm looking for an IBM compatible librarian for my Alesis HR16 drum machine.
Something free or inexpensive would be preferable to something that costs
big $.  Please send suggestions (or programs) to:  boogie@iastate.edu

 Thanks!

							-Jeff Sturges
From: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: JV-30 & U-20
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov) 

RE: Message 6800 entered on Oct 8,92 by MICHEL BRUNEAU to ALL

MB From: MBRUNEAU@UOTTAWA.BITNET (Michel Bruneau)
   Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
   Subject: (no subject given)
   Message-ID: <SYNTH-L%92100807520370@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
   Date: 8 Oct 92 11:44:45 GMT

MB I was about to purchase a Roland U-20.  Surprise! They are discontinued.
   The replacement model is JV-30, was I told by the saleman.  Yet, three
   sales pitch and brochures later, I can't still figure-out if it is a
   better machine than the U-20.  The apparent claim is that the JV-30 is
   all of a U-20 and D-50 merged together (that's the sales pitch); none of
   that in the brochure.  Also claimed is that all U-20 sound cards can be
   put into the machine (no mention of sound cards in the brochure).

Typical sales pitch! JV-30 doesn't have card slot AT ALL.

   Considering the price of the JV-30, the sales pitch is hard to swallow.
   Any Roland experts on the list could provide additional information?  My
   dilemna is between buying a used U-20 (roughly $700 in Canadian
   dollars), versus a brand new JV-30 (roughly $1200).  Unless there are
   distinct improvements the extra money could be put to better use.  It
   does appear however, for what I know so far, that the U-20 had more and
   better quality sounds sampled from real instruments, and no
   synth-special effects.  U-20 had 30 voices, JV-30 only 24.  U-20 was 7
   part multi-timbral, JV-30 is 16 parts.  But as with most electronics,
   you have to play with it a long long time to find its limitations.  Any
   advise would help (or directing to existing reviews).
   Michel Bruneau
   University of Ottawa

I use JV-30 now, and I had D-20 before, so I can compare only them, not
with U-20. But as far as I know JV-30 doesn't give you much better sounds
than U-20. I'm not sure that it gives you anything better than U-20 in terms
of sound. JV-30 = Sound Canvas + 5 octaves keyboard controller. I must say
that natural instruments sound quite good, also 9 drum kits are quite useful,
also it has GS sounds, and it seems to become a new standard, so you will
have no problems with playing your materials on different GS instruments.
16 parts may be also important, although I normally use 5-7. But JV-30 is
definiely not a "distinct improvement" comparing to U-20. I don't recommend
you to pay Can.$1200 for new JV-30. I paid even more, but I bought it in
Norway where prices are crazy, and I had no other choice. But you can try
some mail order shops, like Musician's friend, Goodman music, Caruso etc.
They will something in range U.S.$820-$890 which I think is about Can.$1050.

Best regards

Vagif.
Entered Oct 9,92 at 09:32:08 on Thunderball Cave BBS from Oslo, Norway.
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From: ola@lesti.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Wavestation klutz appeals for help!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:33:25 GMT
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization

In article <100760033@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> dan@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett) writes:
>I wuz playin' my WS-1 with my brain switched off yesterday evening, and I
>pushed a couple of buttons that I shouldn't have, and succeeded in overwriting
>ALL the info in RAM1 with the contents of ROM. Oops.
>
>Now stop laughing, will you!

  Obviously, you did just that (played with buttons you shouldn't
have). Because, had it been an operating anomaly, you would have lost
RAM2 also.  I had this happen to me by inserting a RAM card with the
logo still displayed on the LCD.

>  Is there a magic hold-this-button-down-while-switching-on operation which
>  restores the factory presets? There is on some kit I've heard of. I don't

  No.
--
      Ola Rinta-Koski   ola@vipunen.hut.fi
'Ginger?' 'Certainly. That's a common one, ginger is. What they do, they take a
piece of raw ginger about the size of a walnut, and about five minutes before
the off they slip it into the dog.' 'You mean in his mouth? He eats it?' 'No.'
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Are there samples available via ftp anywhere???
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:16:29 GMT

>Anybody know of ftp sites that have samples in SoundesignerII or AIFF
>files????
>

There are a tonne of original samples available on-line on 
MUSO-BBS (818) 884-6799.  MUSO-BBS is the home of the
International Samplers Co-op and is located in Los Angeles.

Myles
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: Dropouts in Hi-8mm
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:46:58 GMT

>I think I was pointing out that it not only depends on whether or
>not you interleave, but on how much.  With 8 tracks, you have a lot
>of data to get encoded, interleaved, and written in a short amount
>of time.  The ADAT and similar machines may have to compromise
>between being able to get the data on and off the tape against
>the error correction.

>Then again, they may also use more error correction bits.  After
>all, when CDs were designed, they were pushing the limits of
>microprocessors.  The same processing is slow by today's standards.

>-- 
>....David Elliott


Along the lines of interleaving, does anyone know what modulation scheme  
is employed by the ADAT and the DA-88?  For example, the CD encoding  
process uses eight-to-fourteen modulation, adding six bits to each data  
byte. DAT uses eight-to-ten modulation, adding only two bits per byte.   
This would seem to influence how widely interleaving could be scattered  
along the data stream and still allow punching in and out, too.  Good  
question. 

Jay
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gfini@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gianluca Fini)
Subject: CAKEWALK for WIN???
Summary: CAKEWALK for WIN ??
Keywords: CKW
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:09:35 GMT

Cakewalk for Win??? It exists ? I didn't know. Is it interesting I normally use
MasterTrack Pro 4.5 or Finale as notator. Does Cakewalk Win include a notator??

Is it better then the two programs mentioned above? 
Tell me something ... I knew Cakewalk was a Dos program!!!
Can I find it in Italy or in Europe??

Thanks in advance
  tbra380@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: SCI Prophet 5 rev2.0 service manual sought
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:34:27 GMT


	Does anyone have an SCI Prophet 5 rev2.0 serice manual I can borrow,
buy or copy???  Wine Country sells a *photocopy* of the manual for $45US!!
this is out of line (as is much of their pricing).  If you can help I'd
appreciate it.

thanks
brett maraldo
plexus productions


-- 
               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
	                "Alien Technology Today"
  	 	      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
  	           {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: CAKEWALK for WIN???
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:59:27 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 10-14-92 17:54
D(> 
D(> Has anyone had the problem of incoming data on track 10 not showing up
D(> in the track view until AFTER the file has been saved, then re-opened?
D(> 
D(> --Don Lindbergh
D(> dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
D(>

Nope.
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From: rang@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Robert Yuen Lee Ang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: How can you record to a tapedeck from a synth?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:13:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Summary: What can you use to record from a keyboard to a tape deck?
Keywords: synth, MIDI, record, tape deck
From: Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: I've just about had it with Performer. How much is Vision?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:25:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <ssanders.718664354@starman> <39440@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
  <1992Oct15.140430.13102@ads.com> <1992Oct15.201306.29875@sbctri.sbc.com>

>I'm curious too.  Can you give specifics on how to accomplish this?  Now I'm
itching to
 get off work and go home and try this....sigh.

It's called Reclock and allows you to tap in beats in 1 track and make Vision
create a tempo map to fit to those beats.  It's in the Do Menu.

Aron
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: pickle@ballade.cs.ucla.edu (Patrick Madden)
Subject: Any recommendations for PC-based sequencers?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:21:14 GMT

I'm in need of a PC-based sequencer (and MIDI card) to use with the
assorted keyboards and boxes I've got.  My previous seqencer (Atari ST)
has been dismissed for bad behavior.

I can live with a card that has 1 in and 1 out, but 2 ins and 3 or so
outs would be ideal.  Naturally, whatever sequencer I get will have to
support the card.

Sequencer-wise, I don't need a sophisticated notator: piano-roll is
fine.  I'm more interested in having access to the pitch-bend/pan/mod
controllers.  The ability to do SYSEX hacking would be good too.

Any recommendations for the $300-400 (total) price range?  The
Cakewalk windows demo looks okay (I don't have a MIDI card yet, so
look is all I can do).  The seqencers I've played with have all been
Mac or ST based, so I don't know what's good on the PC.  

On a related note, does anyone know if the MIDI connections for the
PAS-16 work reliably?  The card would offer cheap sampling, but I
suspect that the MIDI implementation was an afterthought.  However,
if it actually works, I'd consider going this route rather than the
dedicated MIDI card.

Email (preferred) or followup--if I get a bunch of mail, and there
appears to be interest, I can post a summary.


Thanks in Advance,
Patrick
--
pickle@cs.ucla.edu
"See the girl on the TV set dressed in a bikini
 She doesn't think so but she's dressed for the H-bomb"
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:15:19 MET
From:         Andrea TONI <andrea@SIHP03.SI.ESTEC.ESA.NL>
Subject:      RE: -- Michael Brook in concert --
Comments: To: "('Redistribution of rec.music.synth')" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>

> Hey! Michael Brook is CANADIAN and don't you forget it.

Opssssss .. Sorry I could I ??
But .. How can I (poor European) discriminate between an American accent and a
Canadian one ?
.. In fact too much passion and taste in his music to be American !

> ewan.

Ciao
Andrea TONI
From: WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: More K2000(R) comments
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:36:00 GMT
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Rich Rinehart writes:
"Nothing to report yet except I thought that the new OS was able to read
Emulator samples?  Don't see it mentioned anywhere.  Also, there is a
program memory upgrade (as opposed to sample memory) from 120K to 760K.  Has
anyone done this themselves?


You have OS version 1.28 or 29(?). OS ver 2.0 will read EPS samples but
isn't out yet. It will be the OS for the sampling module but will be
available by itself for those who don't need the sampler. I don't know
if there are any plans for reading emulator samples at all. The memory
upgrad is also not yet available, as far as I know.

Bill Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles