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From: utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:26:40 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <lm15tfINN3jr@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu> regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:
>Considering the titles you mentioned, they sure are ^_^
>I'd be having a serious problem with all those things in my
>possession (ie no homework done :).  But that's just me ^_^

Ha...actually since the new books arrived I haven't read any textbook
nor done anything for my research...bad...bad.. hopefully I could
finish it next week so I can return to my daily normal life... :^)

>You read all of these?  How long did it took you?

I reread Thian Liong Pat Poh, took me two nights for 10 books, so I guess
It'll take me a week to finish it at this rate ( 3 hours before going to bed )

>(more important question for me: how did your family manage to
>obtain a copy of these; I've tried in vain to no avail :)

I've been collecting it since SMP, read my previous posting...

-peter

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From: wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: alt.KHO.PING.HOO ????
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:10:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA

Waktu saya di Cornell (class of '85), Olin library punya koleksi kho ping ho
yang cukup banyak, di bagian south east asean collection.  Mungkin Donald
lebih tahu keaadannya sekarang.

GO BIG RED!!


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From: iwan@cs.utexas.edu (Himawan Prajogo)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:08:37 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1jpqdgINNqee@tamsun.tamu.edu> utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama) writes:
>-Kisah memanah burung rajawali ( Sia Tiauw Eng Hiong )- ejaan lama ( < '65)
>-Kisah pendekar dan rajawali sakti ( Sin Tiauw Hiap Lu ) - ejaan lama
>-Pedang ular emas ( Kim Tjoa Kiam ) -ejaan lama
>-Kisah membunuh naga (Ie thian To liong ) -ejaan lama

OK... Peter, keep those books. these are very rare and hard to find books,
so keep them until I collect enough money to buy them from you :)
Just kidding, you won't want to sell those books. I won't if I were you.

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From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: No Subject
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:38:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.224958.20150@fuug.fi> an5934@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>Bilingual Edition                       Dwi-Bahasa
>.....
Meskipun tidak suka (tepatnya tidak terbiasa) dengan cara beranon-anon,
terus terang saya mengagumi kemampuan penulisan dwibahasa bung an5934.
Memang bagian kanan banyak mengandung "ttg" dan singkatan-singkatan
penulisan kata yang lain, namun secara umum tidak mudah mengungkapkan
pengertian dalam bahasa Inggris yang lebih panjang dari padanannya dalam
bahasa Indonesia.

Bambang
From: utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:53:52 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan22.200214.8054@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja) writes:
>Yup, go ahead and post them, (but if you have pictures, how do you propose
>to scan them, as GIF files??? That will be huge and bound to draw some
>criticism. How about if you ever get around to scanning them, you can
>ask if anybody want it to be e-mailed. If so, mail me one.

I don't think that is possible ( at least not for me !!)
These stories are very long,  some of them takes days to read (non-stop!)
I think those who have read cer-sil before know what I mean. I was able
to read cersil day and night, only stopped to eat and go to the bathroom
forgetting anything but the story. 

I think posting may not be a good idea, not only because it is very long,
but also most of the books are very old ( < '65). It is very time consuming
to scan even one story, and unfortunately I can't afford such time.
But of course if Mr. Jimmy is willing to do it, I'll be more than happy 
to lend the books to him.... 
>
>Donald
>
>By the way, what is the title?

These are what I have with me now:

-Kisah memanah burung rajawali ( Sia Tiauw Eng Hiong )- ejaan lama ( < '65)
-Kisah pendekar dan rajawali sakti ( Sin Tiauw Hiap Lu ) - ejaan lama
-Pedang ular emas ( Kim Tjoa Kiam ) -ejaan lama
-Kisah membunuh naga (Ie thian To liong ) -ejaan lama
  semua karya Ching Yung 
-kisah para pendekar negri Taili (Thian Liong Pat poh) saduran Gan KL
-Makam bunga mawar - saduran OPA (Oh Peng An)
-Darah Pendekar - Kho Ping Ho

>
>-- 
>CS Department, Cornell University
>Ithaca, New York.

-peter
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From: ramikk@Mari.Unit.NO (Ragnar Mikkelsen)
Subject: Bahasa Indonesia
Keywords: Dictionary
Reply-To: ramikk@Mari.Unit.NO (Ragnar Mikkelsen)
Organization: University of Trondheim
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:42:40 GMT

Does anyone know where i can find a reasonable priced Indonesian-English dictionary? Or maybe something like "Bahasa Indoneia, a gentle introduction".
Mailorder or digitally transfered.  Selamat datang!


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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:02:34 GMT


iwan@cs.utexas.edu (Himawan Prajogo) writes:
...
>Have you ever read or seen an actual cersil ?

I thought "memanah rajawali" was filmed. I didn't (don't want to) go to see it.
I like the book better, cause I can keep my imagination.


Regarding scanning the book. I don't think it's a good idea. (I like to 
have it, but...). The material is not in public domain and Kho Ping Hoo 
(or who ever owns the right) deserves the money. The best thing to do is 
to track them down (find "kios" that sells them) and post it here.

Hmmm. What does Bu Pun Soe (spell ?) mean ? If I remember correctly he's
"sakti". Siapa saja muridnya dia ya ??

- Budi Rahardjo
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: bowo@dutetvf.tudelft.nl (Djati Prabowo)
Subject: Introducing TEGAL
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:22:20 GMT

              TEGAL
	      
It is a nice place in the Mid Java, about 360km from Jakarta and
120 km from Semarang. Thanks to the site, the Bus station is moving 
almost 24 hours a day. Somebody who has ever been in Jakarta will 
know Tegal from its Warung Tegal (smaal restourant Tegal). It is 
well known from his servicess and cheapness. In Tegal, warung Tegal
open 24 hours a day. Beside that we can eat there, it is a good place
to meet a ordinary Tegal people.
	      
Almost 13km off Tegal you will find a big Thee Factory, Teh Botol, 
a heavy concurrent of Coca Cola. Not only Teh Botol is made in Tegal,
but there are many others. Ofcourse like other place in Indonesia,
Tegal has also a nice beach, not just one, but there are two places
where the visitors can enjoy beouty of the sea, PAI (Pantai Alam
Indah) and .....(I forget the name). Close to the beach we can drink
coconut juice (air kelapa muda). 

30km from Tegal is the site of GUCI, the place where we can take a bath
with the nature warm water. Many people beleives that if they have some
skin sickness can be healed by the water. This place is almost busy everyday
and especially on Sunday. Also many people beleives that if they take a bath
at a special moment, it is at the day of Fryday Kliwon (Jum'at Kliwon)
and at exactly in the midnight, thay may get their wishes, such as whom
who wants to have a spouse, who wants to have a job, who wants to keep
look young etc. 
		      
About the people just like as another part of Indonesia, there are just
so kindly. Ok friends have a nice time and please visit Tegal when you
are in Indonesia.

Ok, if one or some of you will visit Indonesia, then you will not be 
dissapointed if you are also visiting Tegal. BTW does somebody outthere
from Tegal, please contact me, 'couse i 've not been more than five years.


bowo (born in Tegal)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: bowo@dutetve.tudelft.nl (bowo)
Subject: Re: US vs Iraq, Indonesia's view
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:42 GMT

From article <1993Jan20.170115.46572@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, by hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.$>
>>>On US attacks on Iraq, anybody knows Indonesian position (for/con) ?
>>>Just wondering...
>
>>>HSIAHAAN
>
>>The only foreign affairs that Indonesian seems always WONDERING about,
>>for years and years and years, is the thing called *The Cambodian Conflict*.
>>The affairs such as US attack on Iraq or SERBIAN BASTARD sistematically
>>raping muslim women are beyond Indonesian interest, I guess.
  
  I aprreciate to your opinion, would you tell us more what were the ideas
  behind your conclusions ?. Becouse since 4 years ago I have never been 
  in Indonesia.
>
>>So, the answer for your question, I think, is NEITHER for nor con.
>>Sorry, HSIAHAAN, Indonesian just never WONDERING (:-))about this kind of stuf
$>           
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

$> Sir, watch what you say, you might not represent the voice of all Indonesians.
					~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
					absolutely, at least not me.
As I know (correct?), a while ago Indonesia has collected some money (huge amount
I suppose) to help a specific group  in Yugoslavia (I forgot, which one was it).

It will much more clear if You write also, what Indonesia should do on 
this conflict ?.
 
>
> Maybe the word 'wondering' bothers you (and I don't know why ?), but honestly
> I use it because I really wonder (which can imply 'care', if I may...)
>
> What you are saying might be true. Indonesian Government (I dont use 'Indone-
> sians'!) rigorously involves in Cambodian Conflict which is a closeby-neigh-
> boring country. Understandbly, it is to avoid spreading of the conclict that
> can endanger ASEAN stability.  So, the policy is OK there, I guess.
>
> On US attacks on Iraq:
> I feel like our government runs to a solid wall. It is like the famous eating
> Simalakama fruit: while do not want to support US (for religion- , 3rd World,
> and OPEC- solidarity), they cannot be against (at least explicitly) it either
> (for the attacks are OKed by UNO). Since this is what I feel/think, it might
> be wrong. Hence, I ask any of you who KNOWS BETTER whether our government has
> ever announced its position or not.
>
> HSIAHAAN
>
bowo
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:56:15 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1jpqdgINNqee@tamsun.tamu.edu> Peter Utama writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.200214.8054@cs.cornell.edu> Donald Wihardja writes:
>>Yup, go ahead and post them, (but if you have pictures, how do you propose
>>to scan them, as GIF files???
Why not JPEG file?  They're usually smaller.  Or probably some kind
soul (read: those with really too much time to spend :) can scan them
and run them through some OCR software and just post the resulting
text file ^_^
Come to think of it, I heard that WinFaxPro (by Delrina) has some
OCR capability.  Probably someone who got a fax modem can receive
it (by fax) and run the OCR part of the software on it.  That way
the workload is shared between two person.
(just some incessant babble of a desperate person; you might ignore
on the basis of cost (faxing :) and software availability (gotta be
yours; it's commercial tho' :) :)

>These stories are very long,  some of them takes days to read (non-stop!)
Considering the titles you mentioned, they sure are ^_^
I'd be having a serious problem with all those things in my
possession (ie no homework done :).  But that's just me ^_^

>but also most of the books are very old ( < '65)
Why would the book's age affect desicions to scan them? ^_^

>to lend the books to him.... 
Hey, I'd like to borrow them. (but not for scanning; haven't got
any scanner and the univ. is rather picky on scanner users these
days)

>>Donald
>
>These are what I have with me now:
>
>-Kisah memanah burung rajawali ( Sia Tiauw Eng Hiong )- ejaan lama ( < '65)
>-Kisah pendekar dan rajawali sakti ( Sin Tiauw Hiap Lu ) - ejaan lama
>-Pedang ular emas ( Kim Tjoa Kiam ) -ejaan lama
>-Kisah membunuh naga (Ie thian To liong ) -ejaan lama
>  semua karya Ching Yung 
>-kisah para pendekar negri Taili (Thian Liong Pat poh) saduran Gan KL
>-Makam bunga mawar - saduran OPA (Oh Peng An)
>-Darah Pendekar - Kho Ping Ho
You read all of these?  How long did it took you?
(more important question for me: how did your family manage to
obtain a copy of these; I've tried in vain to no avail :)

>-peter

Sorry for the e-mail like content of the message.
I supposse the newsgroup could use some more messages ^_^.

^_^ regius ^_^
ps. whatever happened to the 'Indonesian compiler' thread
    and the '(Comp.) Education in Indonesia' thread?
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From: jimmyt@cs.tamu.edu (Jimmy Tirtawangsa)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: E-Mail in Indonesia
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:26:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu
Keywords: indo_email

In article <1993Jan21.103040@IASTATE.EDU> isae@IASTATE.EDU (isae@IASTATE.EDU) writes:
>In article <llobm8INN9gg@panda.cs.utexas.edu>, the@cs.utexas.edu (Khe-Sing The)
>writes:
>> Jakarta.  Pihak Indonesia yang membayar semua biaya telepon
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> untuk sambungan tersebut.  Pemakai e-mail di Indonesia bisa
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Bagaimana cara pembayarannya? Ada info?
Masak nggak pernah bayar telepon..
Biasa saja, bayar di kas di kantor telepon pakai uang... :-)

Seriously. I think you have assumed that because Pusilkom is under UI and is a
goverment(-related) office as also PERUMTEL, it doesn't have to pay anything.
No, it still has to pay.

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From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: cer-sil ( was: Re: No Subject)
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:23:39 GMT

In article <lm22olINNt6k@cash.cs.utexas.edu> iwan@cs.utexas.edu (Himawan Prajogo) writes:
>In article <1jpqdgINNqee@tamsun.tamu.edu> utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama) writes:
>>-Kisah memanah burung rajawali ( Sia Tiauw Eng Hiong )- ejaan lama ( < '65)
>>-Kisah pendekar dan rajawali sakti ( Sin Tiauw Hiap Lu ) - ejaan lama
>>-Pedang ular emas ( Kim Tjoa Kiam ) -ejaan lama
>>-Kisah membunuh naga (Ie thian To liong ) -ejaan lama

Bagaimana kalau pilih satu yang paling pendek, tayangkan satu dua halaman
perhari. Tidak selesai juga tidak apa-apa, untuk menandingi soap opera
gitu!

Bambang
From: KEN K TEDJOJUWONO <K.K.TEDJOJUWONO@LaRC.NASA.GOV>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: International Bamboo Festival di Bdg 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:43:44 -0500 (EST)


Sdr-sdri sekalian,

   Bila anda akan berada di sekitar Bandung akhir Juli 1993, mungkin anda
akan berminat mengunjungi International Bamboo Festival. Utk itu silahkan
hubungi cabang American Bamboo Society terdekat atau Drs. Anang Sumarna,
Indonesian Bamboo Society, Jl. Cibeureum 16 Bandung 40184, Indonesia.
   Ada baiknya anda mampir di Kebun raya Bogor melihat koleksi bambu yg unik.

Salam
ken

N.B.
Tahukah anda bahwa
1. Ind punya banyak jenis bambu2 yg "top" dan unik?
Misalnya Bambu Betung(Pring Petung, bhs Jawa; Dendrocalamus asper, bhs
Latin) dianggap punya rebung yang paling enak rasanya.
Bambu Ungu?(Pring Wulung, Gigantochloa atroviolacea) warna ungu kehitaman.
Pring tutul dan Pring legi utk furniture dan mainan(gasing besar).
2. Amerika(North America) tidak punya banyak bambu asli.
3. Banyak bambu yang "hardy", tahan musim dingin dan tidak mati.




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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Berita Tempo (23 Januari 93)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:12:17 GMT

*       Laporan Utama: Politik Ganda Amerika
        Suhu politik kawasan teluk membara lagi.
*       Nasional: Soeharto Juga
        Setelah bermain sejak masa kampanye, akhirnya Partai Demokrasi
        Indonesia (PDI) mencalonkan Soeharto untuk presiden 1993-1998.
        Kabarnya, banyak pendukung Banteng yang kecewa
*       Nasional: Dewan Pembina Golkar -- Kini Giliran Habibie
        Koordinator harian DP Golkar (Habibie) akan menghadapi SU-MPR,
        pemilihan presiden, dan wapres. 
*       Nasional: Gaji Pejabat Negara -- Presiden Naik, DPR naik.
        Gaji Pejabat negara naik sekitar 300 %. Untuk mengimbangi eksekutif
        suasta ? Gaji anggota DPR lebih dari cukup. Masih mencari "sampingan" ?
        Jabatan                         Lama            Baru
        Presiden                        4.950.000       15.000.000
        Wapres                          3.300.000       10.000.000
        Menteri/Jagung/Gub./Pangab      825.000         2.500.000
        Ketua DPR / DPA / Bapeka /MA    825.000         2.500.000
        Wakil Ketua DPR/Bapeka/MA       760.000         2.290.000
        Ketua Muda MA                   730.000         2.190.000
        Anggota DPR / Bapeka / MA       700.000         2.100.000
*       Perilaku: Permisi pak Patung
        Ada anggapan: yang tidak bisa disuap hanya polisi patung dan
        polisi tidur. "Kalau saya berdiri di pinggir jalan, mungkin ada
        yang melempar korek-api berisi uang," kata Kapolri.
*       Ekonomi dan Bisnis: Dari Prajogo ke Tim Likuiasi
        Upaya penyelamatan Bank Summa berubah lagi. Tim Prayogo tetap menyuntik-
        kan Rp. 1.000 Milyar, tapi untuk rescue Bank Summa baru tersedia
        Rp. 460 Milyar. Selebihnya urusan tim likuidasi.
        Para pembeli saham Astra (juta lembar): Prayogo Pangestu (15), Henry
        Pribadi (14), Anthony Salim (10), Murdaya Po (10), Eka Cipta (5),
        The Nin King (5), Sofyan Wanandi (5), Syamsul Nursalim (5), Hendra
        Rahardjo (2), S Gondokusumo (1), Soekamdai SG (0.5), Ibrahim R (0.5),
        Sudwikatmono (0.5), Osbert (0.5), Mintaredja H (0.5), Mochtar Ryadi
        (0.5).
*       Obituari: Penyanyi Rakyat Sampai Akhir Hayat
        Gordon Tobing (1927 - 1993)

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From: herkusut@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Herdarmadhi Kuswandito Utomo)
Subject: SEPIIII
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:50:07 GMT


Hi
bener, kalo enggak semua org indonesia punya news util.
Mungkin punya, tapi enggak tau cara makenya....
Iwan aja baru dapet versi news (tin) yang bener bisa ngejawab atau
masuk ke alt.culture.indonesia dari ngeinstall sendiri, yg dari
sekolah cuma bisa baca doang, kan Iwan jadi sedih tu...asli, sedih
bener.....
Tapi setelah install tin dan (hampir) 100% tanpa error baru deh tu 
bisa ngeposin mail ke news
Tapi di account lain iwan masih ada problem, selalu dapet msg
no artikel, biarpun waktu start ada 50-an mail....
jadi mohon maklum aja kalo di alt.culture.indonesia enggak banyak
berita.
Kita-kita ini dong yang harus ngenolong yg lain, spy mereka bisa juga
baca dan ngirim news ke sini.....

Yup, sampe jumpa
From: utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:06:50 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan21.080337.29618@fuug.fi> an5934@anon.penet.fi writes:
>______________________________________________________________________ DA
>
>   /\   Why all the Threads and Flames ? What's its Relation to
>  /  \  Personality as the Identity of an Individuals Posting Them  ?
>  \  /  @}--v--- "viewed psychologically"
>   \/
>______________________________________________________________________
.
. blah blah (stuff deleted)
.
>
>But, unfortunately, other people are also using "I", and there are
>not just a few people using it. In the USA alone, there are about
>two hundred million people using "I" to refer to themselves. Each
>love their own "I" and sanctify it. What are "mine" is usually
>better than what are "yours", "I" am better than "you", and so on
>so forth. {Up to this point, unhonest people tend to say.. Nope, I
>don't feel that way...., but by simply saying this, they have said
>implicitly that: Nope, I don't feel that way.. like others do}
>
.
. blah blah blah ( more stuff deleted for bandwidth efficiency )
.
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>I'm looking forward for responses from fellow readers of aci before
>continuing the articles. Please, remember that "I" in this article
>refers to my "I", not yours :-) 

Hm... I remember reading all kind of this 'I' stuff in many of
Asmaraman Kho Ping Hoo books when I was in SMP...

BTW, are there any 'cerita silat' lovers out there in the usenet?
I have brought some of my old colections here, and my cousin just
arrived yesterday with more of them... 
Too bad that I don't have much time to read them all at the moment.

-peter


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