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                          THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                               Issue # 2573

                           Friday, April 10, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 553

                                   Survey
                       Re: Sight-impaired technologies
                          Re: ansi.sys and dos v5.x
                       Re: Sight-impaired technologies
                           Blind fold the sighted
                            restaurant etiquette
                              Blindness classic
                               Re: doggie news
                           Re: nls tb developments
                               Re: Double Talk
                    Large print software to use in Seman


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Subject: Survey
From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > Admittedly, I'm taking a wild stab here, but could the reason for
 > this
 > be that curricula are designed by winks who have only a limited idea
 > of
 > what blinks can and cannot do?

Not only what we can and cannot do, but what we want to or don't
want to do!  I had a rehab home teacher back in the '70's who could
teach me nothing of what I wanted to learn, but insisted I had to
learn how to make cake batter, muffins, pancakes, the perfect pie
crust, etc.  Man does not live by dessert alone, and it wasn't
until I moved out on my own eleven years ago that I burnt my first
chicken, nearly killed myself by eating my first undercooked cut of
beef, and learned that if you don't stir hot cereal, you get
wallpaper paste!  Now why couldn't my home teacher in the '70's
have taught me that?  Simple enough:  Most of her clientele were
girls aspiring to be perfect housewives, and she knew very little
of what a bachelor-to-be would need to know, it seemed.

The coupla good things I learned for this woman I still use
today--how to properly scrub a good clean floor, the proper way to
handle laundry fresh from the washer so it doesn't get wrinkled up
even if you use an anti-wrinkle/anti-static sheet in your drier,
and various things like that there.  These skills now stand me in
good stead--my girlfriend and I have a wonderful agreement:  She
cooks, I clean!!!

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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Subject: Re: Sight-impaired technologies
From: Mark.Senk@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Senk)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I have heard that the deaf relay service near Philadelphia
(possibly Bell of PA) is employing blind operators who read the TDD
output on a braille display.  I heard this from the HumanWare
vendor so you might contact that company.

					Mark

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Subject: Re: ansi.sys and dos v5.x
From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 >DOS 5.0 will not allow you to use the old Anssi.sys, which you may have
 >already found out.  Youcan use Ansi.com instead, TSI says, at least.  I
 >just ignore the extra letters that are sommehow being generated.
 >

Yet another case of TSI passing out incorrect information.  I have
been using ANSI.SYS from DOS 3.3 with my MS DOS for at least 7 to 8
months with no problems.  Whoever told you from TSI that the DOS
3.3 ANSI.SYS won't work with DOS 5.0 doesn't know what they are
talking about.  This ranks right up there with the TSI story that
Phoenix Bios is necessary or at least preferable for use with the
Calera board. The fact is that Phoenix Bios has a number of
problems and is almost gone.  I know of several people who took the
TSI advice to buy Phoenix Bios computer systems and couldn't use
their scanners until they changed their motherboard and got rid of
the Phoenix Bios.  Why doesn't that company check things out more
carefully before they start passing out incorrect information.

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Subject: Re: Sight-impaired technologies
From: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Stu Turk)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.2 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > MS: I have heard that the deaf relay service near Philadelphia (possibly
 > MS: Bell of PA) is employing blind operators who read the TDD output
 > MS: on a braille display.  I heard this from the HumanWare vendor
 > MS: so you might contact that company.

Er, it was AT&T, who operate the TDD Relay service in Pennsylvania,
who hired a blind person to work on the Relay.  The relay center
uses computers, not TDD's, so I would assume that normal braille,
synthesizer, or large print display would be used.

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Subject: Blind fold the sighted
From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Oh yes, and when I've gone to the movies with a sighted someone,
and have even taken the time to sit in a quiet or out of the way
area so as not to disturb others around us while my companion is
explaining certain things, how many times have we been told "Hey,
why are you here, wasting a seat when someone who could see this
film could have it instead of you"?  There's that which is blatant
ignorance, but, on occasion, I've also been literally yelled at
regarding the fact that hey, it's one thing that you can't see the
movie, but you're wearing those hearing-things, too, so why are you
in this theater??

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Subject: restaurant etiquette
From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David, of late, I've found myself getting blatantly brave when
going out to eat, either at a restaurant or for a special
occasion.  Wanna know how??  I ask upon ordering that the food be
cut!!  Not that I can't do it, (it was certainly drummed into my
head at home over the years, and still is for that matter).   But
when there's really no room at a crowded table for arm
movements...  Well, I guess you get the idea.  I do take sinister
pride in asking for cutting help, and I love picturing my parents
flipping out when I do it.  And, yes, I've asked to have food cut
in front of them- ha ha ha!!  And you know something?  I've had
countless sighted people say immediately after "Hey, that's a great
idea. I never thought of having them cut it in the kitchen.  I'll
have to try that sometime."

Bon apetit!!

Hmmmm, now if I could just figure out a way to pour the wine from
the bottle into this glass at this here table...

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Subject: Blindness classic
From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

John, number 1 on my list of must reads is Harold Krents'
autobiography, TO RACE THE WIND.

It was recorded both by NLS, (by the late great Leon Janney, a very
old recording and probably hard to find), and also by RFB.  The RFB
edition is also a wonderfully pleaseant read.

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Subject: Re: doggie news
From: Matt.Roberts@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Matt Roberts)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

CA>I'm not sure this would be possible without an excessive amount of
CA>reprimanding.  I think most of the schools advise keeping the
CA>dog on leash or tie-down for the first few weeks anyway.  Also,
CA>free run of the house could result in the other people in the
CA>house feeding the dog, no matter what Bill's instructions have
CA>been.

I knew someone who had a guide dog and he kept the dog tied up all
of the time.  This created a wild dog.  Noone could control him.  I
just don't want Bill to get in to a situation where the dog is wild
and tries to get away when ever possible.

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Subject: Re: nls tb developments
From: Doug.Parisian@f2.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Parisian)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/2 - Man-Net-EC, Winnipeg MB


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

At the risk of seeming intrusive re your discussion of synthesized
speech reading books, I use my own imagination to add the stresses
etc where tyey should be, much as I do when reading braille, or
using the opticon, or probably the same way a sighted person does
when reading.  I often find readers place drama where I would
prefer they wouldn't, and vice versa.  I would rather dictate my
own emotional feelings to myself with my own mind than have someone
else do it for me.  Further, I can tell my computer to shut up at
will, find a specific test within seconds, etc.  You can't do all
that with a tape recorder, only some of it.

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Subject: Re: Double Talk
From: Doug.Parisian@f2.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Parisian)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/2 - Man-Net-EC, Winnipeg MB


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I have used litetalk, accent, artic, dectalk, and whatever was in
the old mariland total talk 150, bns and a few others.  In terms of
price, total flexibility, I have found that doubletalk and/or
litetalk from RC systems simply can't be beet.  Those other
synthesizers of course, each have their own unique characteristics
but as a total package, I defy anyone to come close to the RC
products.  Futther, combine this with ASAP and I believe you have
an unbeatable combination.  I wish I could sell you either a
Doubletalk or litetalk so that when you ran around screaming in
ecstacy, my name would go up in lights but I do not cdover your
area and will get no credit if you should choose either of these
synthesizers. sorry for the lousy typing/smelling but I am on line
and must keep moving.

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Subject: Large print software to use in Seman
From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Your best choices are VISTA VGA from Telesensory Systems Inc., very
expensive $2,295 but gives excellent large print and is very
flexable. OR Zoomtext, a softtware only based large print solution
that works well, but may not be as flexable as Vista, but costs
only $595 for the delux version that will handle graphics and
Windows 3.0.

both of these can be purchased through Telesensory Systems at (800)
227-8418.

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