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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Is racism "for whites only"? they are after my brother
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bx7Lqq.9vE@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
>
>Uninteresting BS. The examples showing the above to be untrue are
>so numerous, e.g. Uganda & Asians, "Zimbabwe", and so o.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>N.O. Monaghan

You hit the nail on the head. There was racism in African by the evil British
empire and its royal family.


Makala
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Convoy ambushed in southern Somalia
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:20:41 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1dud4oINN16n@mozz.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
>The BBC reports that a convoy of 37 trucks carrying food to
>starving Somalians was ambushed in the southern town of
>Baidoa (sp)... security personnel travelling with the
>convoy fired back but 9 trucks were hijacked and the rest
>turned back...

The convoy was from Mogadishu...only one truck made it to
Baidoa, 27 returned to Mogadishu and the remainder are 
assumed to have been hijacked...food to Baidoa has in the
past been brought there by air and this continues to be the
case...the convoy was going to be very helpful because they
cannot bring as much food by air as they would have done
by land...

I believe the convoy was organized by CARE...

>
>Meanwhile in Monrovia (Liberia), the BBC reports that there 
>is only two weeks of food supplies left...
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Jazz Guitar CD: Russell Malone
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:00:46 GMT


Has anyone checked out the new release by Jazz
Guitarist Russell Malone on Columbia?

What do you think?

-------------------------------------------

The CD is _Russell Malone_ (Columbia CK 52825)

This is a debut recording for Malone. It contains
a wide range of material from tunes in the Wes Montgomery
vein, Blues, and Solo Classical Guitar (Flowers For Emmet Till).

The compositions are "obscure" standards and two original tunes.

See the October (September ?) isse of JazzTimes for a brief article on
Russell.


tracks:
-------
 1. Wives And Lovers (David/Bacharach)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Donald Brown: Piano
   Robert Leslie Hurst III: Bass
   Yoron Israel: drums

 2. Invisible Colors (R. Malone)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Donald Brown: Piano
   Robert Leslie Hurst III: Bass
   Yoron Israel: drums

 3. When I Take My Sugar To Tea (Fain/Norman/Kahal)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Milt Hinton
   Shannon Powell: drums

 4. It's The Talk of The Town (Symes/Neiburg/Livingston)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Milt Hinton
   Shannon Powell: drums

 5. St. Louis Blues (W.C. Handy)
   Russell Malone: Acoustic Guitar
   Milt Hinton

 6. I Don't Know Enough About You (Barbour/Lee)
   Russell Malone: Acoustic Guitar/Vocals
   Harry Connick, Jr.: piano

 7. Close Your Eyes (Petkere)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Milt Hinton
   Shannon Powell: drums

 8. London By Night (Coates)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Donald Brown: Piano
   Robert Leslie Hurst III: Bass
   Yoron Israel: drums

 9. I Can't Believe That You're In Love With Me (McHugh)
   Russell Malone: Acoustic Guitar
   Harry Connick, Jr.: piano

 10. Moonlight Serenade (Parish/Miller)
   Russell Malone: Electric Guitar
   Donald Brown: Piano
   Robert Leslie Hurst III: Bass
   Yoron Israel: drums

 11. Flowers For Emmett Till (R. Malone)
   Russell Malone: Classical Guitar

 12. Precious Lord (T. Dorsey)
   Russell Malone: Acoustic Guitar
   Milt Hinton
   Shannon Powell: drums
------------------------------------------------


WJM




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From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: So Idi Amin *was* a Windsor!
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:36:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Nov5.063646.26642
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US

> You hit the nail on the head. There was racism in African by the evil British
> empire and its royal family.

We suspected all along that Idi Amin was closely related to Elizabeth II.
Makala may have unearthed a vital piece of information strengthening
Amin's claim to be king of Scotland. If only Shakespeare were alive
to record this.
From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: GAY AFRICANS
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:02:19 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov10.122624.1851@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Dear Paul,
>
>I find it interesting that you believe you can
>country in Africa.  I find it more absurd that you, as a 
>straight person, know whether or not the gay culture exists in 
>Africa.  Get a clue, gays make up 10% of the population everywhere.
>There are plenty of gay bars in Kinshasa, gays all around you if
>you just open your eyes and educate yourself.
>act as a spokesperson for all Africans of any 

 So what if there are gay bars in Kinshasa ? It doesn't prove your
 assertion of 10%. We want anyone, repeat anyone to go to an African
 village, not a "Frenchized" bar in Kinshansa and get us any evidence of
 homesexuality acts among indigenous Africans, then you can talk. This
 business of quoting "works" done in others parts of World and then try
 to extrapolate to Africa is absurd. It is also academic/intellectual
 fraud. Where did you get this idea that gays make up 10% of the
 population EVERYWHERE ! This is bonk. Africans are tired of this brush
 painting to advance agendas from this corner of the world. This is one
 of the instances. Go to Africa and do research there and don't act as a
 mouth piece to other people. This is an issue which is best settled by
 consulting indigenous Africans living/or who lived in Africa. As I know
 this issue is still unresolved in the West where there is wealth
 documented evidence tha they have been practising homosexuality from
 the beginning of history ! My two cents.


 Itiakorit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (farha)
Subject: Milawi /lILONGWE contacts?
Keywords: info
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:27:42 GMT


Any netters out there from Milawi...I'd like to get some information about 
lILONGWE regarding size of  the town/people/ university there etc..
...in fact any information appreciated. :-)


Thanks

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From: kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:54:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu


pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

 [impressively racist, apologist, defensive, offensive drivel deleted]

>It is clear why NO black man in the whole world has been able to be 
>racist since Alexander "the great" over threw the last Egyptian 
>Pharaoh.
     
     How amusing.

>Makala

When I realized that Makala was causing me to form an
unconstructive, racist, bigoted opinion of why Africa is 
the poorest, least developed continent on the planet (ie 
because everyone there must be like him) I quickly investigated
Kill files.  I hope I was in time.

Chowning@acuvax.acu.edu (Richard Chowning) writes:

>I am for that.  The language and name calling by just a few here has really 
>caused this to be a rather distasteful reading.  Sure, I could just skip it 
>on my terminal, but the subject is interesting and important.  I just hope 
>we can discuss it without the ugliness.

Here here!  

Cultures make mistakes, and tradition (and blind defensive stupidity)
create an atmosphere in which it is almost impossible to correct
them. (Slavery in the Americas and the middle east being two obvious
examples.)  I think clitorectomy, infibulation and female circumcision
fit this description.  It is my opinion that they are mistakes.  The 
purpose they serve does not jusitfy the brutality they entail.
 
Please, share your wisdom, prove me wrong.  But use your god given
knowledge about the people and cultures involved, not defensive
name calling and misdirection (for the sake of this discussion, it
doesn't matter that I think male circumcision is also a mistake.)

I'm looking forward to a reasonable, informative discussion on this
important topic.

-Kevin
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: male circumcision (was Re: Female Circumcision)
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:37:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <9291@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1471700225@igc.apc.org> jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
>>
>>if it were possible for a woman to compare having sex in possession
>>of her clitoris with having sex without it, which do you think she
>>would choose?
>
> You don't get it do you? This subject is off limits for you, you will NEVER
>get a response out of me.
>
>Makala
>

        Hey Paul, You're not the center of the world you know! 
                  ^^^

        Anyways, here's a topic we can discuss, male circumcision.
I'm circumcised. It feels alright! No special pain, Hygiene is pretty
cool (i.e. no toe-jam-like deposits around the prepuce). I get regular
erections and sex is real good (lots of Joy)! I got circumcized when I
was a young kid, so I don't remember anything about the pain or if there
was some. So, what about you guys, any good/bad circumcision experience?
Or any good/bad non-circumcision related happenings? Anybody against male
circumcision? Do you think that circumcised guys enjoy sex more, or are
more easily excitable?
         I think that a circumcised penis is more aesthetically pleasing.
However, infibulated labias are urgh (at least to me, could be this cultu-
ral thing). If one had asked me at thirteen or so whether I wanted to be
circumcised, I would have said no I think. I'd feel It's like the ortho-
dontist wanting to cut some off your tongue saying that's what pushes your
teeth forward. I'd rather have my teeth forward than him cutting my tongue!
Anyways, it happened when I was young enough, and, well, as far as I know,
there hasn't been negative consequences.

        H.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Cultural Exclusivity
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:49:39 GMT

In article <9290@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1dfc6bINNnd0@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>>However, the issue is one which is one of the key political
>>issues in South Africa at the moment - "cultural weapons".
>>The ANC (amongst many many others have been calling for 
>>the carrying of _all_ weapons in public to be outlawed
>>(and the laws be enforced). Chief Buthelezi has been arguing
>>quite strongly that the purpose of this is to destroy
>>Zulu culture, and that it is the right of every Zulu man
>>to carry his cultural weapons. King Goodwill has also 
>>supported this.
>
>You ignore several relevant facts. Buthelezi is not a credible example of moral
>ity. If spears, knobkerries and cowhide shields are the symbols of Zulu culture
>, then Zulu culture is exactly the same is Shona, Tswana, Masai, Ibo, Mandingo
>and XHOSA culture. And in fact, especially in the latter case, it is. In most
>cases it is just a variation of the same theme. Much the same way that English
>and Welsh culture are to each other. How ever Zulu culture is different from 
>Boer or English culture. 	So in an ironic sort of way, Gatsha logic is va
>lid in as far as it refers to you.i

[A good posting deleted]

Hear! Hear!
Isn't it amazing that NOBODY has come in support of this abhorrent holier than
thou attidude displayed by these people...? That is, nobody except his own 
kind and perhaps a single SAVIMBI who tried to be funny......

J.K.
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 07 Nov 92 19:52 PST
Subject: Somalian activist on PBS
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700231:000:1109
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov  7 19:52:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalian activist on PBS

/* Written  7:26 pm  Nov  7, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalian activist on PBS" ---------- */
Reply-To: "FORUM PAN-AFRICA (Peer Distribution List)"              <AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      Somalian activist on PBS

Sharon Pauling of Bread for the World has done an interview for the
MacNeil/Lehrer news hour that should be broadcast next week or the week
after.  I have high hopes for her spreading the word about the public
inquiry into the UN delays--Bread for the World is a Christian anti-hunger
organization that was  working for aid to Somalia when there was no
media coverage to speak of.  They are terrific, in my opinion, and
they have 45,000 members who write and phone congress, meet, pray, and
keep themselves informed about world hunger.

They call for greatly increased food aid to Somalia, UN intervention, and
now, the public inquiry into the delays.

I sometimes miss McN/L, so if anybody sees this show, please post about it.
Thanks.
Dorothy
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RE: South African Contacts at UCT
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:22:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: pmmst8@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu


Recently I shamed the wise and faultless know-all petty scribes who have so 
adeptly and craftly crafted the spotless and sparkling image that Beloved 
South Africa is no longer the blackman-hating-country that we all knew it be,
by utilising certain channels to consult directly with concentration camp
incanceratees.....

Subsequently, appreciative but more conscious faithful informed me that I might
have erred by naming my contacts... I apprecaite this and inform them not to 
worry. I have been guilty of reckless behaviour, but I will help the BOSS and 
the Broederbond by informing them that they have been scouring their files in
vain. Nay, I did not give you the real names. 

If you want them you can email me...

makala
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 09 Nov 92 09:25 PST
Subject: Re: male circumcision (was Re: Female C
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov8.013724.14234@noose.ecn.:-1086031250:cdp:1471700236:000:856
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov  9 09:25:00 1992


In the US the exclusive right of the parents to make decisions for the
child is being challenged in the courts where parents who inflict
themselves on the children may have this privilege removed.  State
authority may intervene in the case of child abuse or sexual
molestation, or even where requested by the child.  recently a young
teenage boy succesfully divorced his parents.  the unchallenged
hegemony of parents over helpless children is being challenged.
though some Africans feel this is not an appropriate subject to discuss,
a matter too private or too African to allow others to observe,
history will cause this view to fall.  as more and more people
learn to read and have access to viewpoints outside their household,
children will challenge the authority of their parents to
damage them.

Is this a good thing or bad? what do you think?

Jim
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:52 PST
Subject: Re: female circumcision
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov10.4292.7875@dosgate:1289139176:cdp:1471700244:000:259
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov 11 19:52:00 1992


that is an extremely interesting speculation.
who do you suppose is supposing that "women" can't or shouldn't be
making the comparison?  and what is the significance of the fact (reported
in this conference) that women like or want or ask for this treatment?
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Absence of black posters from SA
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:06:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <g89r4222.721563530@kudu> g89r4222@kudu.ru.ac.za (Geoff Rehmet) writes:
>In <9418@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>Which "boers" do you know?  Tell us their names - I'm sure they won't be
>scared of you revealing their identity :-) 

You,  Oppressor Van Liar, or who evr you are.
 
>Show us any regulations from a university in South Africa which prevent
>black students or staff from posting to the net.

Ah How can I know where it is?
This is ridiculous.

> If students who are
>not "white" were not allowed access to facilities which would permit
>nthem access to the net, then they would not be able to complete their
>studies, especially in subjects like Computer Science and Business
>Information Systems.
>

Run and hide, you have been exposed, ja!
Many people ahve emailed me including white South Africans to concur with
me.
>
>Sorry, but the Separate Amenities Act is gone - all facilities at
>universities in South Africa are available to students and staff
>regardless of colour.

Even in this country where blacks were "freed" 30 years ago, Bill Clinton 
attended an all white sports club. The golf club in Pittsburgh did not 
accept black memembership until two years ago when the PGA informed that
they would not be allowed to host the '96 US Open unless they revised this
policy......
.>
>
>Sheesh -- I thinks Jacot's right - you watch too much TV.  (lousy TV at
>that.) 

Boers have no defense against the truth except the weak rejoinder that I
might watch too much , TV. As silly as it is.

>Your immagination is certainly running wild ! 

 This is pitiful, this man is twisting and  squirming like a worm on a hook.
 Boers are like a Rabbit caught in the beam of the car in corner. They cant
run and they can't hide......i
>
>
>Hm.  Your attempt at "creative writing" (sorry Jacot) hasn't been 
>very good.  I must admit that you make a very graphic display of
>imagination.  Your grip on the facts is however rather limited.


 think that we are talking about serious matters. English is not the issue at 
all. I don't even care if I am barely understandably. The question is
what are you going to do about all these things which have been revealed?

>------
>My Mark for You : 17% - definitely a FAIL.
>Better luck next time ;-)  - try and do some more background reading
>before your next attempt.

Most people want to know why we are allowing apartheid to be practised by
these people right here on the net.

makala
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 06 Nov 92 09:23 PST
Subject: Re: Millions of girls brutally mutilat
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700197:cdp:1471700223:000:1101
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Nov  6 09:23:00 1992


It used to be that there were no telephones and no global communications
network, and no television, literacy only for the very few.  Now
a great deal of that has changed, obviously more in some places than
in others.

What I am getting at is that the idea of continental "membership" or even
national "belongingship" is crumbling.  We can interact with, study,
view, and participate inthe political and social life of people in other
cultures than our own local brand with only a little effort.  Like it
or not, we are global.  My interest in the well-being of children
is not bounded by the geo-political fiction called "country".
My life is affected by events all over the world, and, difficult as it
is, I press myself to listen to, become aware of, and respond
to those events in the conditions in which they occur.  I refuse to
be limitted in my concern to the country of my birth.

People of the world, come out for the rights of children not to be
abused, damaged by their parents.  Take steps to eliminate
childhood diseases and starvation. Support the Convention on the
Rights of the Child.
From: vincent@cc.und.ac.za (Russell Vincent)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: International Integration (was Re: female Circumcision)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc10.cc.und.ac.za

In article <9146@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>Why is it that you people want to integrate so much internationally and yet 
>continue to oppress blacks in South Africa?

Perhaps it is to give them a fraction of the "elite" education that you are 
obviously enjoying by being connected to the Internet - or do you want to 
deprive them of that right, so that you can be their spokesperson without 
their being able to disagree with you?

 -Russell

Russell Vincent,  Computer Services, Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
Vincent@cc.und.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Mozambique: Ceasefire team in place
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.181731.9243@midway.uchicago.edu> jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) writes:
>
> writes:
>>A team of ceasefire observers is now in place in Mozambique...
>>The team consists of people from UNITA, FRELIMO, the UN and
>>other international personnel...
>
>UNITA ??  Do you mean RENAMO ?
>

A distinction without a difference....:-) :-)

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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:22 PST
Subject: Re: Somalian activist on PBS
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700231:cdp:1471700238:000:721
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov 11 16:22:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalian activist on PBS

/* Written  2:19 pm  Nov 10, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU in igc:bitl.africa */
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From: "(CHELAGOI)" <CHOWNING@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Somalian activist on PBS

BTW, the Mayor of Abilene is going to proclaim Saturday, Nov. 14 "Abilene
Help Somalia Day."  He will make the proclamation Fri. afternoon at the
Mall of Abilene amid African dancers and the eating of ugali.  The next
day shoppers at the mall will be giving donations for famine relief amid
African cultural festivities.

--- Chelagoi
From: d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang)
Subject: Alan Page on MN Supreme Court
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:43:42 GMT

Alan Page has just become the first African-American
to join the Minnesota Supreme Court.  For those who
don't know, Page is a Hall of Famer who played defensive
tackle for the Vikings, whose defensive line was known
as "The Purple People Eaters".  After his retirement,
Page became an asst. attorney general in the state.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape