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From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 00:33:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.162124.26981@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
|> automotive news reports that OLDsmobile management is heading down to
|> saturn to learn the saturn way of doing business...OLDs sales have 
|> plumeted from over a million in 1986 to roughly 435k last year...
|> 
|> i'd guess there is a good chance that saturn gets approval for building
|> larger cars with new v6s etc and that OLDsmobile gets absorbed into 
|> saturn giving them the additional dealer network and manufacturing
|> facilities they need for these new vehicles.
|> anyone care to comment on this???

Most likely saturn will get absorbed into OLDs and there go all the strides
saturn has made in producing a quality automobile.  (I hope it does not happen
though!)

These "absorption" things should be thought of as collisions of big planets with
small planets.  The big planets might get big dents in them but the small
planets....well, let's just say MASS is not in their favor.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket - FAQ
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:18:36 GMT

In article <96876@netnews.upenn.edu>, sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>   I think it's a FAQ, but always until it doesn't concern you.
|>  
|>   The story. Last Saturday I was pulled out and the cop said something
|>   like "Sir, do you realise you're driving a little bit faster?". 
|>     me "was I?"
|> 
|>   After a little conversation he gave me a ticket for driving aprox.
|>   at 68 mph. (the road, of course, is 55) - such a bastard.
|> 
|>   The question - would it be better for me just to pay the ticket,
|>   go to driving school and forget the story. Is it worth to fight
|>   in court saying that I drove with the trafic speed and effectively
|>   the cop did not *measure* my speed - he followed me and used his
|>   sppedometer to determine my speed (sure, *he* accelerated to reach
|>   me - finally he sat on my tail). 
|> 
|>   BTW, if  I go to court, should I mention that the accuracy of car
|>   speedometer is about +-10%, which gives me 20% tolerance and 
|>   reduces my speed to 55mph.
|> 
|>   I never had this thing before.(tickets)
|> 
|>   Any suggestions? BTW, what the fine could be here in CA?
|> 
|>   Sergei Borodin
|> 
|> 
|>   
Bite the bullet and pay the ticket.  You were speeding and that's all
the judge needs to know.

Consider yourself lucky that you can go to traffic school and remove
the ticket from your record.  Around here (MN) a ticket is a ticket
and it stays with you.  The fine and traffic school are minor compared
to watching your insurance go up.  I got one (just the one) ticket
and couldn't switch insurance companies without paying an extra $500
per year (one lousey ticket).

Sorry for going on about it, it just peeves me.  :(

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
From: wcl@pei.com (Wesley Lee,PEI,166,(408)274-7468)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Service Engine soon light coming on
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: wcl@pei.com
Organization: Protocol Engines Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article Fo@hsi.com, geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste) writes:
> I'm hoping that someone can point my the right direction for this problem.
> 
> My 1987 Pontiac Grand Am (4 cyl) has a problem with the Service Engine
> Soon light comes on. The car runs fine though except for one noticable thing.
> 
> I was sitting in the car with the engine running waiting for the light to
> come on (my wife said it takes a few minutes after the car has warmed
> up before the light comes on). Just before the light came on, the engine's
> RPM went up slightly. I could almost smell something like sulfur. Sounds
> like catalytic (sp?) converter. Could someone tell me what the possible
> causes are of this light coming on? The air filter is new so it's getting
> air ok. It's been a while since it's had a tune-up though. The light 
> will go off/on intermittently while driving the car.
> 
> Thank you

With modern cars today that service light can mean any number of things.  Your car
is probably wired with a number of sensors and if any of them detect something wrong
that light will go on.  It's anybody's guess what specifically wrong with your car.
Best thing to do is bring your car to the dealer.  There a technician will hook your
car to a computer and your car will spit out a code indicating the cause of the
problem.  

-WCL
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:36:32 GMT

In article <BxLDEI.6J7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>Audis are damn nice cars, but I honestly believe they are still being hurt by
>that absurd Consumer Reports scandal a few years back.  Remember that:
>"Audi 5000's have the tendency to accelerate unexpectedly if their pinhead
>owners depress the wrong pedal while engaging Drive or Reverse"

actually, i think it was 60 minutes that created all the fuss.
one of the worst pieces of journalism i've ever seen.  total
hatchet job.  in my opinion, the audi owners who sued audi
went after the wrong party.

hey... speaking of audi, whatever happened to that guy who had
a rabid hatred of audi?
-teddy
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Summary: NOT!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:49:55 GMT
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1dc75oINNhju@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) says:
> 
> >
> >	Just a question no flames.  If old junk cars make up 90% of all 
> >car pollution, how much of the total pollution do cars make up.  Air 
> >pollution that is.  Seems to me that the government should go after the
> >biggest polluters.  If that is cars then go after them.  But it seems to
> >me that those factories that churn out tons and tons of smoke do more
> >damage than the cars driving by them, am i correct, i honestly don't know.
> 
> no. most of the "smoke" that you see coming out of factories is h2o, simple
> water vapor.  The epa started cracking down on them much before and much
> harder than cars.

BZZZZT!!! Did you know that in the states that these "clunker" bills
have been enacted that some of these companies collect (so called)
clunkers and when the companies turn these cars in these same wonderful
companies get some kind of permit that enables them to pollute MORE.

Now would someone please tell me how this is helping the environment?



                      
                                          
                     
                     |                    
                     | David Gunsul       
                     | dcg@mogun.uucp      
                     |------------------------------------------------
                     |  It's amazing what $2,500 worth of big block
                     |  will do to $60,000 worth of high technology.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: FLAME! Only a Manual!
From: asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:39:44 PST
Organization: MDC - Douglas Aircraft, Long Beach, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: loosli

> 
> Well, I'm one of those not bothered to learn a gearbox, and I'm not at all
> concerned, let alone ashamed. It's not fear, it's indifference.

 ..doesn't matter what it is, you are not willing to learn. Blithely ignorant
   is more like it.  What happens when your son wants to learn?  I guess you
   won't be there to teach him...oh thats right he can be blithely ignorant
   too.  This is not a flame just opinion.
> 
 If it gets me where I want to go, safely,
> quickly, and comfortably, that's good enough for me.

  If you don't enjoy the thrill of driving I sure as h*ll won't  
  share it with you.  
> 
> I'm willing to pay a premium to make that trip simpler

  Sometimes this is true, but when the road twists.......  

 I have no doubt that the car next to
> me with the manual transaxle was a little cheaper to buy, probably
> accelerates better at a green light, and is cheaper to repair than
> my automatic.
  ...Man! Maybe faster isn't more fun but haven't you ever enjoyed racing
     a car from a stoplight?  Oh no! This must be a new world man-forgive 
     me I daren't give my interpretation of manhood...it would upset your
     sensitive nature.
                      
> As for the pleasure of driving (when it happens), to me that comes more
> from the surroundings than the car driving through it. And beautiful
> scenery looks as good out the window of a Citroen 2CV as from a Cadillac
> or Miata.

....I thought you were DRIVING if you enjoy the scenery SIT in the 
     passenger seat!!
> 
> Of course, this is but one point of view, and likely not even the
> prevalent one. 

...and of course you are probably right,  views like this are what get
    us all driving the same car, bland looks, same performance, and 
    bland interiors...sure its a tool like you said, but give the 
    craftsman a chance to make it more than that.  If the prevalent
    view was yours then we could say goodbye to the Ferraris, the
    Lambos and I suppose we would all be better off right?

  
> Please be aware that there are many of us for whom getting there
> is not necessarily half the fun. You may be amazed at our numbers, but
> that's your problem, not mine.

...read the above..you make it our problem too, wave next time a car
    blows by you, and look carefully it could be your wife in the 
    passenger seat
> 
  You have a right to your opinion but at least experience driving a 
  stickshift and then your opinion will mean something, an apathetic
  view is the most dangerous kind.  You might be happy about this now
  but how many other experiences have you let pass by because you 
  couldn't care...try it you may like it..

  Asim
  Torque, speed and high g's
  
> -- 
>  Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
>          evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
>          "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: sporty econo-boxes
Organization: SSESCO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.180457.10415@u.washington.edu>, freewill@carson.u.washington.edu (William Kaufman) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>   I don't know if this is a FAQ on this newsgroup (I'm new), but I was
|> wondering what the consensus is on who makes the zippiest econo-box.
|> We're talking cheap, like $7000. My friend claims the Nissan Sentra
|> with a 100HP DOHC 16 valve base engine came out top in his research.
|> He says that while he leased his, to determine his trade-in value, etc., 
|> the car came out at ~$6800. (He says recently they had been $10,000,
|> but it's a buyers' market) Obviously, different people in different areas 
|> will pay different amounts, depending on the economy, but does anyone have 
|> reference to any info. on this? My friend claims the Sentra was the winner 
|> in one magazine comparision with the same criteria: sporty econo-boxes.
|> 		Thanks, freewill

They redesigned the Sentra for 91 (I think).  The price went way the hell
up when they did.  I think they list (normal options) for around $12,000.
It no longer qualifies in your $7000 range.  Back when it did cost 7 to
8 grand, it was a good car for the money tho.  I don't think it was 16
valve then.  I think it was 12 valve.  I could be wrong.  I'm not sure 
about the DOHC or even the 100HP.  I think the new engine specs like 
that.  He's giving you (if I have a clue) the new specs and the old 
price.

The best way to get a zippy car for $7000 is to buy a slightly used car.
New is nice, but a better 2 year old car is just as good.
-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:40:07 GMT

asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
: > 
: > Well, I'm one of those not bothered to learn a gearbox, and I'm not at all
: > concerned, let alone ashamed. It's not fear, it's indifference.

No problem.  Isn't this a land of freedom?  

: > 
:  If it gets me where I want to go, safely,
: > quickly, and comfortably, that's good enough for me.

May I suggest, sir, that you go take the bus or taxi.  They get you from places
to places quickly, safely, environmentally more friendly, etc, and save your
insurance, parking, maintenance, etc.

: > I'm willing to pay a premium to make that trip simpler

See above.
: 
:  I have no doubt that the car next to
: > me with the manual transaxle was a little cheaper to buy, probably
: > accelerates better at a green light, and is cheaper to repair than
: > my automatic.

See above.
:                       
: > As for the pleasure of driving (when it happens), to me that comes more
: > from the surroundings than the car driving through it. And beautiful
: > scenery looks as good out the window of a Citroen 2CV as from a Cadillac
: > or Miata.
: 
Actually, if you drop into your local library and rant a couple of video tapes,
you can enjoy them in the comfort of your living room, with champagne in hand.
Infact, you get more variety.  Who cares those polluted rovers and rundown
industrial building along the way to work anyway?


Summary:
     YOU DON'T LIKE DRIVING CARS.  SO WHY FORCE YOURSELF TO DRIVE ONE?  THERE
ARE ALTERNATIVES.  USE THEM.  GET OFF THE ROAD.  MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR ALL OF US.


: > Please be aware that there are many of us for whom getting there
: > is not necessarily half the fun. You may be amazed at our numbers, but
: > that's your problem, not mine.
: 
: ...read the above..you make it our problem too, wave next time a car
:     blows by you, and look carefully it could be your wife in the 
:     passenger seat

Hahahahahaha,  I love that.  He may wish he had a few extra hourses and a stick
then.
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Annoying film on windshield
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:46:08 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA


> I recently replaced my wiper blades and was distressed to find that my
> wiper performance did not improve much.  There seems to be some sort of
> film on the windshield which is fouling the wipers, and I don't know how to
> get it off.

What about that icky film that builds up on the inside of the window?
It gets so bad that I can write my name from insude the car. How does
one remove this film?

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tempos and Loyales, Info needed
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:01:38 EST
Organization: Penn State University

dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu says:

>I'm in the market for a 4 WD car with a good bit of space.  I would like some
>input on the Ford Tempo ('85, 24K mi).

>Also, I noticed a Subaru called the Loyale??  It's like a mini-wagon type of
>car.  I'd never heard of it before.  Anyone know anything about these???

>I am unexpectly having to get a car in the very near future (like a week and a
>half) and saw these models in a dealer's lot during my first tour.

Forget the Tempo from Hell the 2.3L engine shakes so hard that things break
left and right in the engine compartment.  The new V6 version maybe better.
The subaru Loyale is a better car, but they are both on demand, ie. part-time
four wheel drive systems.  Get an Audi 4000 Quattro.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:46:05 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>hmm..what i was reading into this whole 'vette versus peterbuilt thing, is
>that the radiator of the vette is angled, and that in the truck is standing
>upright.  thus, when a radar wave strikes the surface of the vette radiator,
>it is reflected back up, where as the one in the truck will reflect it back
>at the gun..(someone quoted the rule that i cannot remember right now..something
>about angle of incidence= angle of reflection??..)..is this true, or no?..
>(while i am sure this is only a small part of all of this crap,..i just wonder
>if this small portion is correct?)


Let's put this whole thing in perspective.  My Kustom HR-8 handheld 
K-band radar will clock a person a tenth of a mile away.  It will
clock a baseball from the stands at the ball park.  It will clock a GOLFBALL
for a short distance away from the TEE.  Note that none of these
objects are metallic and none are particularly conductive.  Consider too
that a smart cop (oxymoron) with instant-on radar will wait until he 
"sees the whites of your eyes" before firing.  It is mainly to defeat 
your radar detector but it also gives him the best return signal.

A quarter wavelength at 24 ghz is 34 mm.  Anything that large or larger that 
is even somewhat conductive will reflect the radar.  This should give you
an idea of the task at hand in shielding a car from police radar.  The
microwave absorbing bras are a joke.  When every metal surface, including
those inside the car, and even the driver's head is shielded, THEN
one can talk about radar stealth.  Of course you've still got the problem
of microwave reflecting off the roadway and striking the underside
of the car.

John

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From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Los Angeles Auto Show
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:10:38 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

I believe it starts on the second of January, but I'm not sure where
it is held. I saw it about five  years ago and recall that it was 
somewhere near downtown LA.
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:01:03 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov12.013141.7090@wam.umd.edu>, 
jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
> Why should a person be allowed to drive a 5 speed unless he has proven he  
> knows how to? This person could be endangering other people on the road we  
> speak

While we're at it, maybe we should also license bike riders, skateboarders,
and every one else whatever they are doing.  There are all kinds of 
things the government has neglected to regulate and license.  And
remember, if you're licensed, what you're doing is no longer a right,
it is a privilege granted by our benevolent government.

My question is:

Why should they license a person for a manual transmission?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: pzh@myna.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FALCON GT
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:51:00 GMT

pzh@myna.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer) writes:

>thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:

>>In article <Bx7G4J.4JB@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>>In article <3360194@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni) writes:

><< lots of stuff was here...>>

>The Ford Falcon is still made here in Oz. These days it's __VERY__ similar in
>style to the English Ford Granada though it runs an Aussie designed 4.0 litre
>six or a US 5.0 V8.

>The US motor is lifted out of the Mustang (I think), ant the GT is to run the
>High Output Mustang donk. There is also a GTHO version due out in very small
>quantities. This was developed by Tickford in England and is damn quick.
>You have to laugh though, an Australian car with an American motor that is
>tweaked by a Pommie performance company. Put in a German ABS, Pirrelli tyres,
>etc and you've got a 'World Car' again!

*** OOPS! I got my "facts" wrong! The GT is the limited edition Tickford tickled
car. The XR-8 is the car with the Mustang motor. Sorry :-)

Paul Heuer.
 
>Cheers,

>Paul Heuer. (pzh@aeg.dsto.gov.au)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extended Warranty for Toyota Corolla 93
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article BwH@math.uwaterloo.ca, mlleung@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Johnson Leung Man Leung) writes:
>Hi,
>
>	I have just bought a new Toyota Corolla 93 car. Can anyone suggest whether I should also buy the 6 years extended warranty or not? It costs $7xx - $8xx, I forget exactly. Thanks.
>
>Rgds,
>Johnson
Some thoughts:

Is it really a 6 yr warranty, or a 3 yr warranty tacked on the manufacturer's 3-yr?
Can you get it serviced anywhere?  What if the warranter goes out of business?  Most
of all, these are money-makers, and the warranter's experience is that they will 
earn more in taking your money than it will cost them in paying out warranty
damage.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:51:22 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum) says:

>In article <1992Nov12.024341.23802@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <3930142@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> roger@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
>>>...
>>>If you break the list into "cars" and "trucks", the list looks like this:
>>>(Note: minivans are often classified as trucks.  But that's another story.).
>>>Still, the US has more top selling vehicles than Japan, and European
>>>vehicles are nowhere to be found (why is that?).
>>>...
>>
>>Because no one wants to pay $13,000 for a car that only costs $9,000.
>>For some people, the prestige of the nameplate isn't worth the extra
>>4 thousand.
>>
>>European productivity in auto manufacturing is much worse than 
>>either American or Japanese productivity.  Of course, lately, Japanese
>>labels are being sold at a premium, and I'm not referring to just
>>the stupid "Dealer Markup".
>>
>>Case in point:  Mazda Protege, MSRP = $12,100 (no air conditioning and auto)
>>                Ford Escort, MSRP = $11,700 (with air conditioning and auto)
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
>
>Lest you forget, the Ford Escort comes the the crap 1.9L engine
>that has been around forever, with pushrods and 8 valves,
>while the base protege comes w/ an all new 1.8L 16v sohc,
>and make 102hp, instead of the escort's 88hp.

HUH??..are you talking about the Euro spec escorts?..i dunno abt them..
but the ones here do not have pushrods..they are ohc..but do have 8 valves.
and make 88-90 horses...but, sorry, no pushrods..rockers, yes, pushrods, no.
unless the Euro's are different(dunno why they'd be the old style..but you 
never know..)
DREW
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