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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Date: 21 Aug 92 03:58:00 GMT
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In article <01GNT1B5E0US0003X0@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>, JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET (Men-- can't live with 'em, writes...
>>Julie:
>>
>>What, exactly, makes you think of Quayle as "dangerous"?
>>
>>Just wondering.
>>
>>--Missy P 2 B
> 
>I think if Quayle were President he'd enforce a great deal of
>mysogynistic and homophobic legislation.  He's also shown a great deal
>of utter disregard for the environment.  Furthermore, I believe him to
>be racist as well.

	Umm, what else do you *think* Quayle *might* do that causes 
you to call him *presently* dangerous?


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From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      Jack Kemp

One of the things that surprises me is that the Bush administration
has not pushed Jack Kemp further into the spotlight, given Bush's
perceived domestic weaknesses.

Has anyone seen an interviews or analyses that suggest why this is?  It
is not a secret that Kemp and Bush are not exactly best friends, but
he is a member of the Bush administration.  Is Kemp hesitant to take
more of an active role because he doesn't want to be too closely
identified with Bush in the event that Bush loses?  Is Bush keeping
Kemp under wraps because he doesn't trust his former opponent?

It just seems a little strange because Kemp gets a lot of praise for
his urban agenda.  And I surprised that Bush isn't using every arrow
in his quiver.

Does anyone know why?  Has Kemp given any interviews recently that
give insight into his politcal thinking?

...Rick
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bush Interviewed On Atheism

Can it be that the two Kerries (Kerrys?) are not getting along these days?
Does this mean the split-up of the Kerry ticket?

I hope not.

On the other hand..... :)

Evelyn Duncan
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>And there is more.  In schools it is alright to celebrate Halloween,
>the most holy day for Satanists, students cannot pray but they can do yoga and
>TM and practice with the Ouija Board.

I don't know about other schools, but in my home town in south LA,
a girl(from California no less) was sent home for bringing a Ouija Board
to school.

Json
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From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: remedial civics; or,
              moral outrage as the lingua franca of the gop

I thought that Judy Woodruff was going to slug Barbara Bush.  Mrs. Bush
was not exactly following Ms. Woodruff's lead.  To be fair, I thought
that some of Ms. Woodruff's questions were a little off-base to ask
the First Lady (like who in the cabinet would be replaced).

   i can't imagine ms. woodruff asking hillary clinton the same kind
  of questions. "how do you feel about your husband's rumored skirt-
  chasing?" and people call liberal bias a myth . . .

Perhaps this is an Easterner's view of a Texan's speaking style, but
I thought Phil Gramm was talking to us like he thought we had brain
damage.  It wasn't so much the slow pacing, but the over-enunciation
and exaggerated lip movements that made me think this.  Does anyone
know how he was picked to be the keynoter--does the national committee
make that decision?

   i think he was consciously correcting his accent. plus which, he
  *is* supposed to be very smart; he may well have decided that he
  had to talk slow and use simple words . . . as for being the key-
  noter, they needed the best economist available to slam willie's
  economic policy. gramm has a phd in the subject.

I thought that Kemp was the only one who scored points last night.  When
the camera showed Marilyn Quayle during the Kemp speech, I thought she
looked a little uncomfortable.  And for good reason--Kemp is a real
threat to her husband's presidential aspirations in 1996.  There have
been stories about the Quayle people trying to keep Kemp down within
the White House.  If Bush wins, I'd look for Kemp to leave the
administration within the first year or two to get some distance
between himself and Quayle.  And in response to an earlier posting, I
can't imagine Clinton, if he wins, making Kemp a member of his
administration.  And even if Clinton wanted that, I don't think Kemp
would do that since that would eliminate his chances of getting
the Republican nomination in 1996 (or at a later date).

   jack kemp has my vote for anything he chooses to run for in 1996.
  he had a wide lead in the poll of delegates for the '96 nomination.
  danny will do nothing except bomb in '96. my guess is that he will
  become one of the beltway types who take cabinet positions every
  once in a while, but never seriously make a run at the top job. he
  just might move to sec. of defense for the second term; he's good
  in that area, and it might add to his stature nationally.

   the thing george needs to think about, should he win, is giving
  the comers in the party the kind of experience they each need. kemp,
  for instance, needs time in foreign policy. state dept, trade rep,
  something like that. quayle needs something to dispel the lightweight
  image he has. gramm needs exposure, period. treasury would work for
  him. where would pat robertson fit in . . . ?

...Rick

   rtf
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From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

j.b. inquires:
>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>heard?

Let's see...I think this was asked a couple months ago, but there's no harm
in going over it again: during the day, the WDBM news (in the early morning),
then NPR's 11:00 news, followed by the BBC's "Outlook".  Occasionally I'll
watch CNN in the evenings, though not as much as I used to.  The Tonight
Show and Late Night round out my daily news intake.

A variety of lists on the net, including this one, I read daily.  I don't have
a newspaper subscription, though I do pick up the Detroit Free Press or the
News or the Lansing State Journal on occasion.  After that, there's In These
Times, and Mother Jones, which I recently subscribed to.  I'm still planning on
subbing to National Review, to add some sort of balance.  I generally ignore
Time and Newsweek, the same way I ignore packing foam in packages.

>j.b.

Gary W. Olson                 "The great and direct end of government is
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81 days and counting down...   and the end of government is answered.  If this
                               be not effectively done, government is an evil."
           - Patrick Henry, Speech against the U.S. Constitution, June 25, 1788
From: MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU (K=A*T)
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              20 Aug 1992 18:01:34 -0400 from <SPRG0002@TULSAJC>

From:         "Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>

> Jumbo,

> I don't have time today to respond to your last post with any amount of
> due justice.

> I'm afraid these few sentences will have to suffice.

> You appear to be a pompous, self-inflated, hateful and ignorant bigot.

> Have a good day.

> ---Robert

Yeah, but at least he doesn't think notions are correct
just because he holds them.

The following is a reminder to the list of what Robert has
said/beleived in the past few months.

**********************
Robert's rule #1: I believe it, therefore it must be correct.
Robert's rule #2: If it is not provocative, it doesn't deserve an answer.
Robert's Rule #3: All knowledge is subjective, so we might as
                  well only hold opinions (which makes Rule #1
                  very handy.)
Hey, it's Robert's rule #4: Just because I cannot answer your better
arguments doesn't mean that I am wrong, I still *believe* in what I say
therefore see rule #1.
Robert's Rule #5:  If you don't know the spelling of a word, just
                   use the initial, instead, and hope no one will
                   notice.
Here it goes, Robert's Rule #6 (and one that all of us have
to agree with): If you are right and I am wrong, then you are right.
On the other hand, if you are wrong and I am right, then I am right.
Here we go, the long awaited Robert Moss Rule #7: If you disagree
with me, you are a complete ASS.
************************

So will you be shocked if I conclude that

 "You appear to be a pompous, self-inflated, hateful and ignorant bigot?"

--KAT
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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: a conventional final night...

From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>

> ..............., he slid a few actual proposals into the rhetoric, with
 few details, the sole thing that set this speech aside from the rest of the
 Republican word wrangling:

> * Enforcing the spending freeze, promising a veto if Congress tries to break
>   it
>* a checkbox idea for tax forms, so that 10% of income might go solely towards
>   deficit (or maybe debt) reduction
> * the chicken approach to budget making: for every dollar borrowed, the debt
>   ceiling will be lowered
> * after admitting he made a mistake by acquiesing to allowing a tax increase,
>   he said he'd propose a tax cut, with adjoining spending cuts
> * extending the paperwork and regulation freeze for another year
> * taking on the lawyers in a tag team match
> * extending health coverage to the poorest of the poor

> Gary W. Olson

You forgot the "I hope I will be visiting a free Cuba" thing.

--KAT
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:03:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Slips of the tongue

> >Japanese bombed pearl harbor and quoted Churchill's comments about how
> >it was a day that "will live in infamy."  What Bush did not seem to
>
> did bush say churchill or did you?
> wasn't it FDR who said that?

It was FDR.

IMO, everybody makes mistakes occasionally.  Politicians talk a LOT,
and so they will almost inevitably make more than the average person.
It gets interesting when the number of gaffes becomes so high that
it's clear that something else is going on, too.  Quayle obviously
falls into this category.  So did Reagan (is anybody familiar with
the compilation of some of his riper fantasies, "Reagan's Reign of
Error?").  Bush's gaffe rate seems about average to me.

With Bush I worry that his inability to articulate a thought clearly
(without a script) means that he has a similar problem forming his
thoughts clearly.  Ultimately, it means that other people do much of
his thinking for him.  Not what I want in a President.

Best,
Peter

> >--Julie
>
> -linda
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:00:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Rutgers Cuts 128 Administrators
Comments: cc: ChristiaList <christia@ASUACAD.BITNET>

   Today was the day!  Rutgers announced to it's employees that 128
administrators were to be told to go home.  The state sut the University's
funding by 22 million and Rutgers was only able to come up with 15 million
through "creative accounting" measures.  THank God I still have my job :-)
Those who were laid off and have seniority will be able to "bump" others
with less seniority.  It is sad day on the Banks of the Ol' Raritan :-(

Carl--------------+
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From:         "Susan Heathers" <S0HEAT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      A little brain teaser

      Journal of Urban Affairs and State Data Center
PHONE: 588-6626

The Roman coin because they would not know of Christ before Christ(B.C.)

Jessie, Susan's daughter

Susan Heathers
University of Louisville
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Some thoughts:

I don't think you need more than 20% of the nation to support you in
order to win the presidency but that 20% has to support you very
strongly and not help to mobilize the other 80% of the nation against
you in the proccess.  I think that the relatively conservative right-
wing Christian loony bin is probably over 20% of the population (yeek)
and quite possibly this is what the GOP is aiming for-- getting some
form of very solid support from a core group, but I'm not sure it will
necessarily work as well as they hope it will.

I guess we will know soon enough... :-)

--Julie "It's nice to see THEM squirm for once" W.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:54:00 -0400
From:         Steve Rafferty <E7L8RAF@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the vanilla coalition

>>Throwing a tantrum and saying "It's my ball
>>and you have to let me pitch or I'll cry and go home" is not leadership.

>A majority in Congress can block anything.  Therefore, they can just
>say no, but if they do, it is the president's fault?

While it may not be George's fault (which is certainly debateable)
a president who cannot get anything through congress, who cannot
build consensus, who cannot engender cooperation . . .

might be called:

                   I N E F F E C T I V E

                                      mightn't he?

Steve
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Slips of the tongue

>Uhm... yeah, it was FDR, not Churchill.  Somehow I knew that I'd find
>a way of making some sort of factuall error at some point during that
>post-- it seemed inevitable.

of course, you realize you would never have made this error if it wasn't
for the fact that so many people would see it. its some kinda law or
something-kinda like murphy's law only far more embarrassing.

ya didn't top my missing Q fiasco tho' - i think i hold the embarrassment
record of the world.


>--Julie

-linda    ITS FRIDAY ITS FRIDAY ITS FRIDAY  and its gonna rain all wkend (sob)

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From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: George Bush on abortion

> I seem to remember a recent case in Ireland wherein a teenager who was
> raped by a "friend (?) of the family" was prohibited (by the Irish courts)
> from leaving the country in order to receive an abortion. So perhaps "right"
> is not the proper word to describe the condition under which one might
> leave the country to obtain such medical care.

As I recall that case, the Irish Supreme Court (hope I'm getting the
terminology right) decided that she did have the right to leave the
country to get an abortion.  The police did threaten to arrest her and
her parents on their return to Ireland, but that threat was negated
by the court decision.  Am I misremembering?  Does anybody have further
details?

> Regarding whether some sort of compromise can be worked out between
> the opposing factions on this issue; aside for the sheer economic
> disaster a return to a pre-Roe state of affairs would cause,
> it would appear to me that such an action which would obviously
> not stop abortions from happening, would further trivialize the
> rule of law for the lower classes by forcing more of them to break
> the law to obtain what many consider a reasonable remedy for a problem.
> (I have little hope for the wealthy considering the rule of law to
> be anything but trivial, unless it has something to do with keeping
> the masses away from their toys.)

I agree completely.  I hope you didn't think I was arguing for such a
"solution."

Best,
Peter

> -other Andy
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: a conventional final night...
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:42:00 EDT more noise please said:
>Hm.  Looks like NPR was off in every important respect.  Go figure.

Could it be they were intentionally misled? Nah.

>The night opened with Gerald Ford being the first noteable speaker.  He
>was angry - so angry he almost showed a second facial expression.  I was
>impressed.

And he wasn't even on primetime.  The networks picked up coverage
after him.  I think CBS might have even cut Bush off to show a rerun
of Major Dad.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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Subject:      Re: A reply to the second night at the Asstrodome

    #2          19-AUG-1992 14:11:08.02                                  NEWMAIL
>These are some questions/points I have after hearing Reagan's
>speech:

>3) Do we really have cleaner air than we did 20 years ago?

Well, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if you factor
in the catalytic converter and a number of scrubbers for smokestacks,
I would generally say yeah. We are far from having clean air, however.

        Ok, ok, so kill me will you.  :)

        I'm in such a great mood.  Today is Wednesday and is my
        last day of work this week.

        Tomorrow, I am going to be busy orienting a handful
        of foreign students to Rhodes.  It is grand.

        I'll see you folks later.

        "I'm too sexy for your party. . .

        I am immortal and you know what I mean. I do my little
        turn on the catwalk. . . ."

        Json
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From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      GOP & equality

***********************
Pay atention, folks:

Anybody else notice that *every* committee of the Republican National
Convention is made up of one man and one woman from each state,
and one delegate each from the Virgin Islands and Guam?

Party of *true* equality, folks.

In your heart, you know it's right.

--Missy P 2 B
******************

   then what are we to make of "ladies" like phyllis schafly, whose
sole goal in life seems to be to deny other women the opportunities
she herself has profited greatly from? or is it only conservative
women who are allowed equality?

   and if we want to get into equality, how many of those delegates
were poor, black, hispanic, asian, gay . . . or is gender equality
the only kind worth mentioning?

rtf
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From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: siege mentality

Carl laughs heartily:
> hahahahahahahahaha.  so very funny.

Glad you liked it.  Everyone else seems so touchy today, y'know? :)

>   Oh yeah.  And if the teacher put up a manger scene and did a bulletin board
>   on Jesus and ministers and stuff you'd probably be freaking out screaming
>   about the separation of church and state.

Oh, Carl, you're just so cute when you have no clue about my views!  Seperation
of church and state is the biggest red herring in modern mainstream political
debate.  I favor neither, seperate or together.

>   I do not have a seige mentality.

Okay, then, I guess you must have been illustrating a hypothetical siege
mentality.  My mistake.

Gary W. Olson                 "I'm just going to remind people of what things
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   George Bush has accomplished.  It's not worth
77 days and counting down...   staying up for." -Barbara Bush
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From:         "Men-- can't live with 'em,
              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC

Missy:  I think it's the President's responsibility to know when someone
has died of AIDS-related illnesses, especially someone famous.  I don't
expect Bush to be alerted every 10 minutes (One Person with AIDS dies
every 10 minutes, on the average) but I expect him to know when it's
someone prominent and I wish he'd really care.

--Julie
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RNC-second night...

The name of the governor of Massachusetts is William Weld.

You're welcome.

--Missy P 2 B