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Original-From: Ken Wolman <mhwpa!ktw>
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              92 11:35 am

>
> Is the list operating?
>
> Is my system receiving it?
>
> neal

I got it here, Neal, and if I'm getting mail, everyone is.

I just made a fascinating discovery about AT&T's way of handling mail.

I can send mail to the list at Words-L@UGA.cc.UGA.Edu, no problem.
But I can't get mail if someone addresses it to KTW@MHWPA.ATT.COM, for
a very good reason: there IS no KTW and there IS no MHWPA.  There is a
ktw@mhwpa.att.com, however.

A nice way of saying that AT&T's addressing is case-sensitive.

        "The management apologizes for any inconvenience.  However,
        the trouble is not in our transmitter or at our end.  Please
        adjust your TV set."

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AT&T Bell Laboratories          |       In every Infant's cry of fear,
(201)564-2866                   |       In every voice, in every ban,
Kenneth.Wolman@att.com          |       The mind-forg'd manacles I hear.
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: what? no report yet?
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So tonight was the 'Welcome blomberg' pot-luck dinner chez Mama Primate, and I
have yet to see a report on the festivities...

What gives, o Brownies?  Still smarting from the fact that your football team
went 0 for 1992?  And lost to Columbia yesterday?  I won't even think about
mentioning what Dartmouth did to Princeton, or which team won its third
consecutive Ivy League football title because of yesterday's Big Green victory.

How many attendees knew what his name signifies?

[I even know who was there...]
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:08:29 CST
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Subject: Re: FYFI

>> It's the stupid ra that got them mixed up, and even refused to send
>> two because they had identical headers and contents....  So, one
>> "to" got lost and one "as".....  They should have read:
>
>Not!  Ra is not involved in any way in the distribution of mail.

OK, we can now restart the thread gone wrong from here now. Mindless-
ness in any thread is equally mindless.

As Ken said, it's surprising why people think they can avoid sounding
like Wayne and Garth by crude modifications like Beginning a sentence
with "Not". I mean, give me a break.

tushar
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: what? no report yet?
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Yeah, but what is Grant like?

-abh
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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              Nov 20, 92 4:07 pm

> Yeah.  In fact I thought we had managed to educate youse guys out of
> this idiocy.  See what happens *every* time someone posts bandwidth
> stats...

What's the matter, Graham?  Feeling miffed coz you've been <exposed> as the
biggest hog on the list?

I don't think it's happened often enough to conclude anything yet.

rashmi
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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> Giggles protesteth too much:
>
> : The problem is, I'm not *old* enough to remember.
>
O.K., I admit.  I was not telling the truth.  I do remember.  In
fact, I read them all the time in the '50's on the highways of
West Texas.
.
> --ggs (laughing anyway at sk's funny poem....)
>
> Perhaps I should offer an <appropriate prize> to the first person to
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> quote the jingle I patterned it on ...
> Steve Karlson

This should read: "offer an appropriate <prize> to....."
--ggs (list inflectionologist)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:14:03 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Eggspots in the fridge

Mine has 0 :-{

-K

-Mka
Jealous as hell of Frank, i.e. frankly jealous
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Croning
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              12 Nov 1992 17:06:53 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:06:53 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>birthday.  It involved drums, bead, chants, woods, etc.  Sounded kind of
>like a female version of Bly's drumbeats in the woods.

Was probably for the former Mrs. Bly.....being assisted by a number of
folks from the Ga folks....and a couple of elderly majorettes

dan
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Date: 20 Nov 92 07:28:47 GMT
Organization: JADEs




                          no.




--bayla
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From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (68
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>From:         Akio Tanaka <TANAKA@JPNSUT20.BITNET>
>
> 2) Kashpirovsky/Luzhin (Frank M.)

Uh-oh.  Must not have been clear enough.  These fellows, Kashpirovsky
and Luzhin, are making an enormous amount of money for themselves in
their native Russia by appearing on television and in auditoria around
the world, performing healings by laying their hands on people,
"channeling energy" through themsemves into the people who come to
them to be healed and other such New Age hogwash.  One of my teachers
at MGU (that's the Russian initials for the Moscow State University)
told me how Kashpirovsky would occasionally tell his viewers who had
to be at work when his program came on that they should leave the
television on (tuned to the appropriate channel, of course) and
leave a vessel of water in front of the TV.  He promised to work
some kind of mystical hocus-pocus over the television waves that
would impart healing powers to that water, and the viewers could
then use it to make themselves feel better.  Reminded me of the
televangelist who sold (by mail) pieces of cloth that he had
prayed over, and encouraged his viewers to rub it on any place
on their body that was feeling bad, and the cloth would help
heal it.  I wish I could remember the man's name, because I saw
this one on the TV with my own eyes.  In any case, I brought up
these people's names as examples of the kind of spiritual guides
many  Russians are seeking these days after having been educated to
be good atheists for over 70 years.

Frank
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another Contest
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> I hear it, Rashmi, but I've never gotten the ...NOT habit.  When I used
> "absolutely not" in speaking to Gilbert, I was using it for emphasis in the
> way I heard it as a child.  The tone in which this was usually uttered
> made it perfectly clear to naughty (or potentially naughty) children that
> no more was to be heard on the subject.
> ndh

I didn't understand this motherly admonition, because it wasn't
followed by the statement: "That's the silliest thing I ever heard
in my life."
--ggs
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: To <be> or *not* to <be>

Here's Giggles' <gilbertsmith> evaluation of Tushar's wakatron:

> Now, listen up everyone.  *This* is the way it is <done>:

> To <be>, or not  to<be>:that is the <question>:
> Whether  'tis <nobler> in the mind to suffer

(remainder of text deleted)

The impression I got of the wakatron was that it tended to overdo the
wakation, which is the point of -ggs's post, especially its coda
(q.v.)  Overdoing a trait is an identifying characteristic of a
Samant simulation.  I am reminded of Virupaksha's frequent use of
present progressives.

The response after the fact is not a convincing criticism, however;
it is easy enough to remove wakae from some words and install wakae
at other words; and wakation of Shakespeare is not the same thing as
wakation of Smith, claims of generality notwithstanding.

I propose that -ggs submit a response or two of his to the list in
unwakated form; that he prepare the wakated versions and send them by
private mail to four or five trustworthy people, who can post the
correct versions after -ts has run the unwakated versions through
the <word grinder> and obtained the <output>.  That would probably
check the complaint in -ggs's coda:
.
: Now, is that *clear*?
: No more throwing these things around as if they were not
: <meaningful>, as if they were full of sound and fury,
: <signifying> *nothing*.

Steve Karlson

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>Back by popular demand, and dedicated to Tushar:

So you deleted my name from the list. Sleaziest tactic
I have ever seen.

tushar
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From:         "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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Posted on 16 Nov 1992 at 15:56:52 by Graham Toal

>>  7) Miles O'Toole (Graham)
>The name of someone I knew.  Actually, he normally went by his nickname, Hugh.
>Hugh Jorgan, to be precise.  (You people think I make this up?  I swear it's
>*all* true...)

Oh *that* Hugh.  I thought you meant his cousin Hugh G. Wrection.

Tony H.
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:10:16 GMT

	Not exactly, Anne.  Generally the equipment is seized and held
for awhile.  If you hire a lawyer, you may get your stuff back in
as little as four months.  If you don't, you may have to wait as long
as two or so years.  The equipment may or may not be damaged when you
get it back, and of course if you depend on it to run a business or on
the data it holds, you're pretty much out of luck.


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From: harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell)
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Date: 15 Nov 92 15:17:29 GMT
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On Sun, 15 Nov 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> doesn't have taxis?  You seem to assume that we all live in metropolitan
> areas.

Right. Down here in deep south Texas, we only have one form of public
transportation, a commercially-owned bus company, that makes the rounds
every hour (once) and only travels the thoroughfares. No neighborhood
stops at all. I tried to use the bus one summer to get to and from work
and I was late every morning (because of that schedule), and the ride cost
me $1.00 each way. This was 1979, when I was only making about $2.85/hr.
I won't even bother you with the story about the old guy who tried to get
me into his car with him while I was waiting at the bus stop. If you need
to be anywhere reliably, you own a car.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:13:32 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Assassins
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A correction to a Gleanings response:

Leon Czolgosz was McKinley's murderer (1901).

It was another anarchist, Joseph Zangara, who, trying to kill President-
elect Roosevelt in Feb. 1933, mortally wounded Chicago mayor Anton Cermak.

Both figure in the Sondheim musical -Assassins-.  I've never seen or
heard this work, but the list of songs includes one called "How I Saved
Roosevelt."  A woman hit Zangara's arm as he fired and deflected his
shot or shots.

Anyone know other details of this incident?  Or the musical?

brad
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:50:32 EST
From:         Charles Cochran <CCOCHRAN@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
              16 Nov 1992 17:27:31 -0600 from <harwell@TENET.EDU>

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:27:31 -0600 Anne Burton Harwell said:
>Oh please. Besides, the point was to highlight Clinton's waffling behavior
>that we have come to know and love. They say a people deserves the leaders
>it chooses for itself.
>
Clinton has certainly been pegged as a waffler, in much the same way
Bush was pegged as a stumbling, visionless, incoherent nincompoop
incapable of stringing two complete sentences together. And just as
Perot was pegged as a paranoid little man who was as likely to spy on
his own grandmother as have Sunday dinner with her.

None of these characterizations is fair. I don't believe Clinton is
the waffler many make him out to be. I do believe he may actually
substantively address the issue of allowing gays to _openly_ serve in the
U.S. military.

Of course, this is largely a matter of faith. But I'm willing to have
faith in the old boy for a little while.
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 17:46:10 GMT
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>Posted on 17 Nov 1992 at 02:56:04 by Ruth M. Hanschka

>  At least the Republicans were smart enough
>to make you pay for your own <damnation>.:-)  The government will soon be
>sending people to hell in a bucket - the Republicans just didn't debt-finance
>the cost of the buckets....:-)

They *didn't* ?

You mean we *don't* have that incredibly huge deficit accumulated
during the last 12 years?

judith
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:18:19 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)
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              17 Nov 1992 09:59:00 EST from <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:59:00 EST Blue eyes cryin' in the rain said:
>
>        No, Tushar, MacGyver/MacPhil is Phil Kizer.  He still shows up on
>        Usenet fairly regularly.
>
   don't know about any OTHER MacPhil, but the one who was on HERE
as MacPhil is Phil Paxton of suburban Indpls.  Would have to check my
paper address book to tell you the address.

dan
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From:         "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-Hating Jews
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Posted on 13 Nov 1992 at 20:36:47 by ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM

>Roth threatened a lot of people in the generations immediately ahead
>of mine.  By talking recognizably (to people my age, anyway) about how
>a lot of Jewish men approached life through the influence of their
>families, he was seen by that older generation doing the one thing no
>Jew dared do in a more dangerous era, i.e., talking about life on the
>"inside" in front of The Goyim.  Worse, he made it seem gruesomely
>funny in a way that Mario Puzo--who also told tales out of school in
>_The Godfather_--did not; and that humor was seen as nastiness, not
>irony.  In fact, the mordant humor of _Portnoy_ was no more nor less
>funny than the jokes Jewish males told about themselves.

What about Mordecai Richler ?  Duddy Kravitz is surely one of the
most stereotypically Jewish nasty guys in literature, but I don't
remember great outcries that Richler was a self-hating Jew when
the book or the movie came out.  Today he is seen as a defender
of Jewish interests in Quebec and an unmasker of latent anti-Semitisn
there.

Tony H.
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Teachers and students

> here to talk to people about graduate school.  He wasn't asking me for a
> recommendation, but he did mention that he felt bad asking people for
> recommendations. I think he graduated 2 years ago.  I was really
> surprised--I've been studying Japanese long enough, I guess, that I
> think the teacher-student bond is for life.
> I was wondering what other people who teach feel about this?

You mean about recommendations? Dunno, since I won't have any "former" students
until this quarter is over (this is my first quarter teaching). But I'm sure
nobody will ask me for a rec. anyway, since I have only a lowly MA degree and
not a PhD :-(. I will say, though, that I *am* looking forward to reading my
students' evaluation forms. Here's a question for you teaching pros out there -
what was your reaction to your first set of student evaluations? What you ex-
pected? Any shocking surprises?

> Karen
> who is tired of the incessant rain and looking forward to LA next week
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Yeah - me too! But *where* are we *going*??? 8-)

Emily
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)
              17 Nov 1992 09:59:00 EST from <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:59:00 EST Blue eyes cryin' in the rain said:
>
>        No, Tushar, MacGyver/MacPhil is Phil Kizer.  He still shows up on
>        Usenet fairly regularly.

I wonder how his knee is.

Evelyn
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> why did that infrastructure get undone?

gt: Oil Company conspiracy.  Big money buying politicians.

> How many more nuclear waste sites will have to be set aside?

gt: there's the conspiracy (again proven, in the British Parliament)
gt: to fudge the figures in the investigation of the comparitive
gt: costs of coal, nuclear power, and wind/wave power.

Hmm ... the Atoms for Peace program in the US was offered as a way to
make peaceful use of fission.  Why didn't the oil companies block it?
Then they'd have the opportunity to sell oil as boiler fuel?

I've got to look up the decision in National City Lines.  Meanwhile,
Marty asked a good question earlier today, about the standards for
judging the social inefficiency of autos: good move, Marty!  You're
sounding more like Gary Becker.  Meanwhile, if Graham wants to help
Oliver Stone do a remake of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" I'll volunteer
to serve as an extra playing the role of streetcar motorman.

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave 'em
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:10:01 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)
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> I don't know.  Do you think perhaps they use/used a notebook computer
> hooked up to a mobile phone?  Can that be done?

Cellular modems exist.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Headless Chickens ...Everywhere

>>>varied his method, and rang their necks instead.
>>                        ----
>No, this is the result of not paying attention to what I was doing and
>typing an incorrect verb tense and incorrect spelling.  However, that same
>post did have a mistyping - "day" instead of "dad."

I was thinking in terms of temporarily "confusing" ring and wring, and
wondering whether that kind of thing causes a large number of typos.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:30:04 -0500
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: GI Bill: Sexist social engineering
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              "CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Nov 19, 92 5:44 pm

>
> How many people in the middle and upper middle class owe their family's
> relative prosperity and social success to this welfare program?
>
> Marty
>
Excellent point, Marty. It would make an interesting research project.
A
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      To <be> or *not* to <be>
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When I have time today, I am going to repost *ts*' dumb
version of Hamlet's speech, correcting the use of the
wacketies so that, *finally*, he and others on this list
will understand the true implications of those cute litte
crooked signs.   I am getting <sick> and <tired> of everyone's
using them incorrectly, blatantly distorting the spirit of
my experiment  in tonality and intonation.
And, as for the totally *stupid* program that *ts* wrote for
the class assignment, it is really <hilarious>, I must admit,
but it cannot think for itself, as some of us wordslers can
do at times.
--ggs ( ... more <matter> with less <art>.....)
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: A few words on Alien
              15 Nov 1992 19:30:17 -0600 from <harwell@TENET.EDU>

This is great stuff! Anne.  How would you analyze the sequel Aliens (1986),
especially the climax, which Pauline Kael calls "The Battle of the Big
Mamas"?

brad
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