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From: tgrupe@watnxt05.ucr.edu (Todd Grupe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:35:48 GMT

In article <6334@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
> Remember, I said any little action would have profound effects on the future,
> but that does not specify how far into the future the effects would be felt.
> It may take years, decades, centuries, millenia, but it would have to have an
> effect eventually.  Your example with a leaf being pulled off a tree causing
> it to die, kill Wilson, and the Germans win the war might happen.  And most
> likely, as I gree with you, wouldn't happen.  But, something else could  
happen.
> Perhaps that was the one leaf that an animal was able to grab and eat.  But
> because it wasn't there, the animal would have to go somewhere else.  Then
> perhaps on his way there, he gets run over by a car, nearly killing the 
> people inside.  Then they go to the hospital, etc.  But this probably  
wouldn't
> happen either.  Thus, something else might happen.  The key word here is
> possibly.  There are so many possibilities that could happen because that
> leaf was pulled.  In fact, there are probably damn near an infinite number of
> possibilities.  There for, since infinity is so big, eventually that leaf
> being pulled would have to have some effect.  The point is, a small 
> insignificant act might not have any immediate repercussions, but since there
> are practically an infinite number of possible outcomes because of that
> minor action, there will eventually be some profound result in the future.
> So ha, there's some (alt) buttkeg-marmalade for you, Todd.
> --
> "I drank what?" -- Socrates
> 
> judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Scenario: you pull a leaf off the tree, the tree doesn't care, the leaf rots on  
the ground, and that's it.  You are saying that that's completely impossible!   
Where do you live, Mars?
Anyway, according to your philosophy, every tiny action *you* make, like  
scratching your head, has effects on the future on the order of deciding the  
outcomes of global warfare.  From this you must conclude that you are  
responsible for the future safety of the free world, the economic developments  
of the next few centuries, AIDS, possible environmental catastrophe, and the  
next 350 NBC seasons of "Freshman Dorm".  Because you were careless about  
scratching your head, or burping, or something.  I admire someone who can live  
with that kind of crushing responsibility.  EVERYTHING is quite literally YOUR  
FAULT.  Thanks a lot.
TG
--
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Trek, Season 6, and B5 (was:Re: Season 6 Transporter
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:48:04 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Aug18.230311.24514@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:

>(Actual spoilers ahead!!!)

About Season 6 and Doohan...



>What I very recently heard (on a local radio station) was that the Enterprise
>would find a ship that has been adrift for 75 years.  They also find that
>someone was in transit via transporter.  When they complete the transport,
>they find out that it was Scotty.
>
>Isn't there a time-limit on how long the pattern-buffer can maintain someone
>in-transit?  Hey, when has precedent, logic, or physics ever stopped the TNG
>writers before?  B5 is (supposedly) going to have more internal consistency.
>We'll see.

DISCLAIMER:  this is not a flame aginst the poster, but against a
trend.   


I'm so tired of hearing how self-consistent and
"scientifically accurate" Babylon 5 is going to be.  The aliens will be
more believable, the technology more acceptable, the characters more
appealing.  Babylon 5 will be subject to the same pitfalls as any other
television sci-fi series.  If people continue to insist that B5 will be
able to deliver a sci-fi drama utopia that no other series have
provided, I think a lot of people are going to be in for a big
disappointment.      

As I've espoused before, science fiction necessitates scientific
inaccuracy and inconsistancy.  When you construct a universe that
dosen't exist and try to fill it with rules to make it work, you may
find yourself painted into a corner when, for dramatic purposes, you
need to break that rule to make the _story_ work.  In the end, that's
why we watch the shows.  Not to dissect them for "scientific accuracy".

You can buy the idea of the transporter (which in the real universe is
absurd) but cannot extend that acceptance to the idea of a "holding
buffer"?  What's the difference?  The leap of faith is no larger, and is
in fact probably not even on the same scale.

In any event, I don't think that it's worthwhile getting riled up about
_rumors_ that have appeared in USA Today, the television that you can
wrap fish in.  I don't like the idea of using a gimmick to get Doohan on
the series either (mostly because he's lost any acting ability that he
may have once had), but I'm willing to see the episode first.

It's an interesting phenomenon appearing more and more frequently around
here:  Trek is guilty until proven innocent and B5 is innocent until
proven guilty.  I have less faith in a show that I've never even seen
which promises happiness and blue sky to every sci-fi fan in North
America.  Big claims.  Wait and see.

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From: wilde@husc9.harvard.edu (Robert Wilde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere-- (CENSORED) - - Whatever happened to !SPOLERS*!
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:28:55 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I don't know, you all seem to be taking this so seriously, I thought it was
pretty hilarious.  Maybe the original poster should have included a ":-)" at
the end to calm the humorously-challenged.

Of course, on the off chance that this post was for real, well burn and flay
the spoiler alive. ;)
-- 
|                      | All life is an experiment.
|Robert Wilde          | The more experiments you make the better.
|wilde@husc.harvard.edu|   -Ralph Waldo Emerson 
|                      |    from "Experience"
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:32:48 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:

>ahhhhhhh!
>that was MACKENZIE phillips. and Who is on first.
                                  ^^^
                   excellant 20th century rock band.  :-)

IMHO, give me Doc. Crusher any day.  Aside from being quite attractive,
she's also damn smart, tough and scrappy, with no bimbo genes.

I *despise* bimbos.

Duane
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From: ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Subject: Re: Lets get back to reality
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:24:18 GMT


Isn't this subject an oxymoron?

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From: salm@rad.psu.edu (Sally Laurent-Muehleisen)
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Reply-To: salm@rad.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State Astronomy and Astrophysics
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:49:35 GMT

In article 11481@ennews.eas.asu.edu, thompson@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Albert Thompson III (Al)) writes:
Yes! What would you do with the Power of the Q?
*** Something to contemplate on ***
-thompson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu



Anything and everything?  :-)

						-Sally Laurent-Muehleisen

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Plan:
**To read everything Harlan Ellison ever wrote (by Tues.)**

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From: mcconnap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Andy McConnell)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG gifs
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:38:55 GMT

Distribution: na

In article <Bsyuxo.IAG@hsi.com> tankus@hsi.com (Ed Tankus) writes:
 -> In article <BsxIpK.FE5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark  
Bixby) writes:
 -> >A HUGE selection of ST gifs is available from vab02.larc.nasa.gov via FTP.
 -> 
 ->  Correct.  HOWEVER, there does not appear to be an index of the gifs
 ->  at this site ... unless of course I missed it.  Please correct me
 ->  if I'm wrong as I'm in search of Gates Gifs.
 -> 

	Um, you're wrong.  The file README provides an excellent index.  There  
are also composite gifs of all the TNG gifs found here.  Take another look! :-]

____________________________________________________________________________
Andy McConnell                   mcconnap@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
   (812) - 877 - 8809            Fluid Science Learning Center Developer
                                 Rose-Hulman Institute Of Technology
   
Class of 1993 - CS BS - RA - AFROTC - AAS - WMHD-FM
From: landrews@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Luke Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:45:48 GMT
Organization: Wizard Online

>>What I'd REALLY like to know is how folks in Canada are gonna be able to
>>see this show when it does go on the air.
>
>How about a group to buy a satellite dish???    ;-)
>
>I know one of my friends is crazy enough to buy one just for bab 5 and ds 9...

Am I missing something?  I'm sure that SOME station will pick it up.  We get TNG on a station affiliated with FOX based in Washington.

Of course Vancouver is right by the border, so its easy to get all the American channels.

I guess living in the Yukon or Northern Ontario could have its disadvantages.

=)

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From: demirtjis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Ann Demirtjis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question about a ST:TNG show?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:08:15 CDT
Organization:  University of Kansas, USA.

-- I have a question which should seem very simple to most of u (I just started
watching ST:TNG).
I saw about 2 or 3 months ago a ST:TNG episode in which the Enterprise
comes into contact with a probe which causes Picard to "live" another
life on some planet about to go nova. I think the son of Patrick Steward
plays the role of the son of Picard in this show. Anyway, I'd like to know
if this show was one of last season and if it will be one of the reruns still
to come (before the new season starts). 

	Thanks in advance for the help.
				
						Ann.
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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:15:25 GMT

In article <6332@ucru2.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt05.ucr.edu (Todd Grupe) writes:
> In article <6331@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)  
writes:
> > In article <2327@tymix.Tymnet.COM> douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)  
> > writes:
> > 
> > > Just because someone travels back in time and does something (regardless
> > > of the event) doesn't mean there will be a major change in the future.

> > But any little action would have profound effects.  Have you ever read
> > Mark Twain's The Mysterious Stranger?
> 
> No.  You are saying that *any* alternative action *must* have huge and 
> profound effects on the future, when that is only a significant
> possibility.
> That's just a load of butt-keg marmalade, Mike.
>
> Todd

Remember, I said any little action would have profound effects on the future,
but that does not specify how far into the future the effects would be felt.
It may take years, decades, centuries, millenia, but it would have to have an
effect eventually.  Your example with a leaf being pulled off a tree causing
it to die, kill Wilson, and the Germans win the war might happen.  And most
likely, as I gree with you, wouldn't happen.  But, something else could happen.
Perhaps that was the one leaf that an animal was able to grab and eat.  But
because it wasn't there, the animal would have to go somewhere else.  Then
perhaps on his way there, he gets run over by a car, nearly killing the 
people inside.  Then they go to the hospital, etc.  But this probably wouldn't
happen either.  Thus, something else might happen.  The key word here is
possibly.  There are so many possibilities that could happen because that
leaf was pulled.  In fact, there are probably damn near an infinite number of
possibilities.  There for, since infinity is so big, eventually that leaf
being pulled would have to have some effect.  The point is, a small 
insignificant act might not have any immediate repercussions, but since there
are practically an infinite number of possible outcomes because of that
minor action, there will eventually be some profound result in the future.
So ha, there's some (alt) buttkeg-marmalade for you, Todd.
--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: bradleyt@caesar.ucs.indiana.edu (T.C. Bradley)
Subject: Re: What is the 25th Anniversary game?
Summary: oops
Keywords: version, romulan, cloak
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:58:15 GMT

>
>Ummm, the third "episode" starts with a duel with a cloaking ROmulan
>Bird of Prey.  This is the "Ark-7" episode.  (No spoilers in saying
>that, anyway).
>

Oops.  I forgot that one.  I had been stuck on the Vengeance episode
so long, I must have blanked that one.  Time to go back and play
again.

T.C.


>--
> "If I speak, I am condemned.		David Stumme 
>  If I stay silent, I am DAMNED!"	das@sunsrvr1.cci.com
>      -- Jean Valjean a.k.a. "24601" 	das1417@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>         "Who am I?", Les Miserables 	D.STUMME @ GEnie


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From: jamesyu@austin.ibm.com (J.T.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: jamestyu@dumbo.cs.utexas.edu
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM - Austin, Texas
Originator: jamesyu@sysdev.austin.ibm.com


In article <6342@ucru2.ucr.edu>, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
> In article <6341@ucru2.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt05.ucr.edu (Todd Grupe) writes:
>
> > with that kind of crushing responsibility.  EVERYTHING is quite literally
> YOUR
> > FAULT.  Thanks a lot.
> > TG
>
> healthy.  Then so on and so on.  As I was saying before, there are so many
> endless possibilities of what could happen, that something must happen.

Right, but not EVERYTHING affects EVERYTHING (Whew!).  I think its pretty darn
safe that a few microbes here and there even in a miliion, billion years won't
make that much difference.  Endless possibilities yes, but not ALL possibilities
All the dead microbes in the world won't make Ed Asner's hair grow back....

However, YOU are right in that the translator/communicator/transparent aluminum
WOULD make a huge difference, but SO WHAT! :-)

Star Trek IV, like all the good TOS shows, is CAMP.  Great, resplendant,
wonderful camp.  The Chekhov/Scotty scenes were meant to be humorous and
damn the fact that it may/may not defy physics/time/"canon."  Look at the
whole movie:

They did a time warp (through manual calculation no less) in a foreign ship
to go back in time to get a couple of whales!  That, despite the wonderful
"translator" and the fact that Spock almost instantly recognized Whale Song.

...IMAO
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From: anthony@seas.smu.edu (Richard Anthony)
Subject: Re: The shuttle ornaments are out !!
Summary: Strange
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:56:11 GMT

In article <X9NBPB2w164w@qed.cts.com> jimbo@qed.cts.com (jim lawson) writes:
>I called my local Hallmark and asked if they had the Trek shuttle ornaments in
>and they did !!!
>
>I picked up 2 today, the sales lady told me they had just come in to the store
>today (8/10/92).
>
>I wonder why other stores told me they weren't coming in till the 29th ...
>
>Jim Lawson      Address: Lawson%ssdvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com
>                Alternate: Jimbo@qed.cts.com or qed!jimbo
>
>Opinions expressed are my own, who else would want them !

 Not available till the 29th?  odd I got mine last Sunday!  havent
 plugged it in yet to hear spock speak thou...

 Jim
From: sprackle@rel8.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere-- Geordi Dies!!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:47:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8s2M.BDp
Organization: ncsa

In article <1992Aug19.070812.21689@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
|> 
|> I just recently found out from a reliable source that Geordi will be killed
|> in the premiere in an attempt to save Data's life.  LeVar Burton wished to
|> leave and the writers thought it would be a good way to send him off  It will
|> give Data more of an appreciation as to what friendship really is.

I doubt that this is true.  A friend was reading an article which mentioned a new set
and that STTNG was the first show to use it for their new season.  It had a picture 
of the cast and Burton was in the picture.  I am avoiding mention others in the
picture to avoid any spoiling.

Dave Spracklen
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From: ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte)
Subject: Re: The watch in Time's arrow
Summary: S.L.C. decode
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:04:28 GMT

In article <Bt0DoL.sF@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.173944.13053@unixg.ubc.ca> dkirkby@heart.ubc.ca (Don Kirkby) writes:
> >I just downloaded a frame grab of the watch they found in the cave 
> >under San Fran in Time's Arrow.  I think it says:
> >
> >To S.L.C.
> >With Love
> >30 November
> >1889
> >
> >I believe that Mark Twain's full name was Samuel Longhorn Clemens, and
> >Data was transported back to the 1890s.  
> 
> I can't verify "Longhorn" (you may well be correct), but I do know that Mr.
> Clemens was fondly known as S.L.C. by at least one of his regular 
> correspondents - a young lady he befriended.  The young lady (sorry I forget
> the name) grew up and became a writer and her book, "Mark Twain and Me" is
> worth reading.  It might also be a hint at something coming up.
> >
> >Whether this is significant or not is another story.
> >
> You can say THAT again!  :-)
> 
> Carter R. Bennett, Jr. - Scientist      No matter where you go...
> carter@scilab.lonestar.org                 ...tty!
> KI5SR

Twain's middle name was "Langhorn" if I'm not mistaken.:-)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Picard's mistake
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.065340.2575@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) writes:

>>>>	Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????

>[Insert Discussion on Pakleds "Samariten Snare" and Heart of Picard]

>Hmm, I agree with the later post!  I think that the heart incident was a
>different story, both of which are very interesting.  I, too, am interested
>in finding out more about Picard's past.  I haven't seen ANYTHING in the
>show that illuminates his situation, are there any books out there that do?
>Both the heart incident AND his "Mistake" at the academy are fascinating!
>Any and all replies are welcome.

Yeah, right.  Like the writers would ever have the balls to reveal
anything significant in the past of the main characters.  That would be
just too satisfying to the viewing public.  Hell, they've been teasing
us for _five_ years about the relationship or lack thereof between
Beverly and Picard.  Personally, I don't think we'll ever see any
resolution of this situation.  They'd rather _intrigue_ us to death.
Nor are we ever likely to find out how the Big P is related to Jack
Crusher's death.  Why start these silly character threads if you never
intend to follow through on them?  Grr..

How many times to I have to hear Bev/Picard say: "Beverly/Jean-Luc,
there's something that I've been meaning to tell you about.  You're
the...eh, what's that?  We're under attack by the Romulan fleet!"

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From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Price...
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:27:40 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


> From rkpeck@mosaic.uncc.edu Fri Aug 14 11:43:16 1992
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:38:59 EDT
> From: rkpeck@mosaic.uncc.edu (Jr Peck)
> Message-Id: <9208141538.AA04742@mosaic.uncc.edu>
> To: asher@cis.ohio-state.edu
> 
> Subject: Re: The Price...
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
> In-Reply-To: <9208101957.AA03588@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu>
> References: <7811@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>
> Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> And how about the other GROSS inconsistency?  In the episode about
> the holodeck malfunction when Data is Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty
> takes control of the ship.  When he (moriarty) draws a picture of the
> Enterprise on the piece of paper and Data carries the paper out of
> the holodeck!  The paper was a holographic creation and should not have
> been capable of existing outside of the holodeck!  Oh well - guess we need
> to bear the relatively few errors they make.....*sigh*
> 
> 
>
From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:25:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>"In the _Galaxy_ class starship, ongoing Guidance and Navigation
>system research tasks are handled by a mixed consultation crew of
>twelve _Tursiops truncatus_ and _T. truncatus gilli_, Atlantic and
>Pacific bottlenose dolphins, respectively. This crew is overseen by
>two additional cetaceans, _Orcinus orca takayai_, or Takaya's Whale.
>All theoretical topics in navigation are studied by these elite
>specialists, and their recommendations for system upgrades are
>implemented by Starfleet."
>

Ahh... Why did you bring this up?  Now I'm forced to comment and somebody's
gonna tell me to get a life.... Oh well, here goes...

If in the 24th century we have established enough communcication with marine 
mammals to use them for 3D navigation consultants then we have to assume they
are sentient beings... right????  Don't YOU view taking a sentient being and
sticking them in an aquarium on a space ship a little bit like slavery??? I 
mean I doubt the Dolphins signed up with Starfleet for the great pay, what woul
d
a dolphin do with a paycheck?

Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine
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