From: heimberg@pacific.mitre.org (Jeff Heimberger)
Subject: Re: Who cares
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:26:42 GMT

In article <2A6CA0C7.299@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.100930.41773@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:
>>In article <l6m0ngINNq0j@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff) writes:
>>> 
>>> I second and third and infinity this. 
>>> 
>>> Here's a list of things I didn't do, don't support, yet still get blamed for 
>>> because of my race and gender:
>>> 
>
>[Jeff's list of "It ain't my mess so I'm not cleaning it up" deleted]

Janis, this is a misrepresentation of what I wrote.  I wrote that the
individual groups mentioned on the list should be working for the
rights of everyone along the specific lines that they are interested
in, not just their own rights as they seem.

>A friend of mine has a nice philosophy about this (and she is VERY
>learned about environmental issues -- she also gets off her ass with her
>wonderful hubbie and DOES something about it).  She says that she is
>trying her best to SAVE more than she takes away.  She drives a car, but
>carpools.  She drives her car, but up to the Mono Lake committee meeting
>place-thang.

I own a little Honda Civic, and carpool.

>She eats some processed food but will eat not meat
>products (she's working on giving up eggs; it's a sacrifice 'cause she
>LOVES them).

I enjoy meat products on occasion, and rarely eat eggs.

>Her attitude of "save more than you use" is a nice one.  I can't do her
>position justice here, though. 

It sounds like a nice position to take.

>Again I say, so then since it isn't your mess, you have no
>responsibility to clean it up.  Wonderful ethics. 

Janis, there are so many messes to be cleaned up.  Should I clean up
the messes that *you* are interested in, or should I clean up the ones
*I'm* interested in?  And if I don't share your specific concerns, does
that make me bad?

>>Instead of complaining about getting this rap.  Why don't you do
>>something about the problems that are presented.  Or is that not your
>>problem either? 
>
>Again, it isn't his mess, so why should he give a damn about cleaning it
>up?
>
>Krusty the Clown says, "Don't blame me -- *I* didn't do it!"  SO does
>Jeff.

Janis, this personal attack is so typical of you, and so wrong.  You
have so many reasonable things to say and then destroy your credibility
with stuff like this.  Pity.

>Thank you, dear.  NONE of us made this mess.  I wasn't one of the old
>guard priestesses that stood by and watched the temples get knocked into
>the ground either.  BUt, I am living RIGHT NOW with the aftereffects of
>that decision.  Am I HAPPY about that?  Fuck, no!  I resent like you
>wouldn't believe the fact that, even though I didn't initiate all the
>crap that made the world as it is, I now have to deal with it.
>
>However, I *am* dealing with it.
>
>I didn't pollute the oceans.  But, I conserve water.  I didn't strip
>mine our land.  But, I recycle so we don't have to do it anymore as
>much.

So do I.

>I didn't help make the Webster decision, but I HAVE defended a
>clinic (and want to do so again soon -- my ubiquitous friend Sally said
>that one is opening in Torrance near where she lives, and I have every
>intention of joining her when it opens).

Abortion is an issue that doesn't happen to concern me -- does that make
me bad?

>I don't cut down trees, but I
>still recycle paper.

So do I.

>In short, I didn't fuck the world up, either, Jeff.  BUt I'm doing what
>I can to try to fix it up a little.  Why don't you do the same, instead
>of bitching about how YOU didn't do it in the first place?

I am, Janis (see above).  I feel sorry for you... you're the kind of
person that makes activists look so flakey to the general public.  It's
no wonder it's so hard to make progress.

Regards,

Jeff H...
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