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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: where should SET name=thing go?
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:37:41 GMT

In article <Bz9vtp.2uz@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> calvert@QueensU.CA (John Calvert) writes:
...
>What do you mean here "specific DOS"?

AKA "DOS from Drive A".  The feature that allows you to either boot a
floppy into a window or boot from an image file made with VMDISK

>If CONFIG.SYS is for OS/2, and AUTOEXEC.BAT is for DOS, where is the
>normal DOS CONFIG.SYS stuff? 

My understanding is that DOS device drivers can be put into CONFIG.SYS
alongside the OS/2 drivers, and that they are sorted out by OS/2 at boot
time (i.e., Just as apps can be "marked" as to which op sys they are
intended for, so can device drivers, and that when OS/2 boots, it 
checks each named driver, and only loads the ones marked for OS/2.  The
others are then stored away for use by DOS.)  I haven't tested any of
this, however...

>This would be a very messy way do go. Do IBM people listen to the
>comp.os.os2.* newsgroups? Will they pick up on the need for a better
>approach here as an improvement suggestion? Is there an email address
>for suggestion to IBM? Is there any end to the questions?

My overall impression of OS/2 is that things are done right, but this fact
is not always obvious.  I.e., the dox/explanation lag the implementation.

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From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Maximum Overkill under OS/2 ?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:51:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <vpsoc.723960139@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>From: vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen)
>Subject: Maximum Overkill under OS/2 ?
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 04:02:19 GMT
>Has anyone tried (and been successful) in running Maximum Overkill (the
>helicopter simulator) under OS/2?  There is some sort of himem error
>that I can't seem to fix.
>Does anyone know the settings to run this game?
>Thanks.

Sure. It's called booting to plain dos or using someone else's computer.

The dumb thing requires that it be able to put the processor in V86 mode 
itself, and since OS/2 does that already for DOS sessions, it dies.

I deleted it. I suggest you whine at the company for being so stupid as to 
make a program that is completely incompatible with:
Windows 3.1
OS/2
QEMM
386Max
and EMM386.EXE which comes with dos!

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From: je@unix.brighton.ac.uk (John English)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: SVGA questions
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:23:21 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
: In article <19879@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> phil@venus.engr.ucdavis.edu (Phillip W. Wong) writes:
: > [ ... ]  I tried SVGA
: >ON under regular DOS5.0 and it said it could not recoginize my
: >video card (ProDesigner IIs).
: 
: SVGA ON DOS should work.  It will generate a SVGADATA.DOS file, which
: you can copy over as SVGADATA.PMI.

I'll tell you all about this again, since I haven't had a sensible
answer from anyone yet. The new CSD version of SVGA.EXE tells me my
IIs is an IBM card, and winges that I haven't got a VESA compliant BIOS.
The old SVGA correctly identified a Tseng card and generated a .PMI for
it. But the old .PMI file hangs my machine when I reboot when the CSD
installed.

A friend has a IIs and has had no problems with the CSD. The .PMI
that his new SVGA generates is the same as the old one. Surely
someone must be able to help?
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From: clemens@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Clemens Beckstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: CDEXPL Won't work
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:21:38 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
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parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:

>I have just installed my brand new TEXEL DM-5024 and TRANTOR 130B
>controller and it works very well. Unfortunately cdexpl won't work.

>I have installed the CD player with MMPM/2 and it can play the CD but
>CDEXPL gives an error saying a certain command failed (something about
>locking the drive door - something this drive doesn't have, along with auto
>ejection etc). It then says the drive is not working and pressing the play
>button causes it to start rotating but no music is played and the elapsed
>time does not increase

>HELP!!!!

same hear... maybe you can file a report to IBM USA?
They will not accept one from Germany I guess...

BTW; if you are happy with a CD player less comfortable than the EWS
program CDEXPL you are referring to, then just use the CD player that
comes with MMPM/2 itself --- works ok
(but does not have seek, directory maintenance etc.)

- Clemens
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:39:59 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

> In article <62740@mimsy.umd.edu> pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus M. Rodriguez) write
> > 
> > I am going to post a very stupid question but I have been reading a lot abo
> > OS/2 2.1.  Is OS/2 2.1 going to be another upgrade?  Will it be shrink wrap
> > I am assuming that IBM hasn't changed their policy of FREE upgrades :-)
> 
> It will be a shrinkwrap update from what I hear. It may also involve an
> upgrade charge from WinOS/2 3.0 to WinOS/2 3.1 - at Microsoft's insistence.
> 
> IBM can't give stuff away forever. They have been putting a lot into OS/2
> development and as a happy - and much impressed - OS/2 user I don't mind
> putting something back in to ensure a top-class effort in the future.
>  
I agree to a point.  The problem is that even after the wide beta testing that
IBM did with OS/2 to get it to 2.0, 2.0 left a lot of bugs to work around.  In
some aspects I feel as if I got a late release beta version with 2.0 (I said in
SOME aspects).  For the most part I am very happy with OS/2.  There are times
however when I'm ready to chunk it until it gets more stable.  Some of the
biggest problems is harddrive space.  OS/2 runs in its own partition of 42
megs.  I have maybe 1.5 megs of fonts on C as well.  Yet even with this I have
to be EXTRA cautious that my Swapper file doesnt grow too large.  I had to
totally reinstall my entire system and reformat my hard drive (when I had it
all on one partition so I lost everthing!) because swapper ran out of space
and the whole system came down hard.  I can't print more than a few pages of
W4W because I dont have the room on the hard drive for it.   I can't open a
Windows session and a DOS session without running down to 1.8 megs on the
swap drive (normally 4196k swapper.dat, 6460k free on drive).  And if I print
and then swapper grows again, the system dies.

That makes things very difficult on my end.  Depending on the charge (if any)
for the upgrade, I won't be too upset.  I like the idea of making Windows
an option.  If they do though, I hope they'll make it possible to load the
windows from 2.0 disks as well as load the new version.  I dont know fi this
is possible though.  MS knows OS/2 means trouble for them, and they are playing
every nasty deal the can to thwart IBM's OS/2 efforts.  I just hope that IBM
and OS/2 put MS in their place!

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Deleting Old Files?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:45:15 GMT

In article <BzF7oF.J6A@acsu.buffalo.edu> utter@acsu.buffalo.edu (William M. Utter) writes:
>	Here's one for ya.  I want to know how I can get rid of old "back
>-up Files".  I have 20 or 30 QWK packets with the extension ";#", I don't
>need these files and wish not to see them everytime I do a DIR.  I have 
>tired different commands using the DEL and ERASE functions and none of
>them seemed to work correctly.  (DEL Board.QWK;* and Erase Board.QWK;*)

Try enclosing the entire filename in quotes, as in:

DEL "BOARD.QWK;3"

If you want to use a wildcard, try:

DEL "BOARD.QWK;"*

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From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Adaptec 1542B and Micronics
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:39:38 GMT


Is there any our OS/2 folk who uses both Adaptec 1542B adaptor and
Micronics motherboard? I've heard that there exist serious problems in
Micronics motherboards in dealing with DMA. Please help me out since I
do have a Micronics (Gateway) but would love to get an Adaptec to
support the CDROM. Thanx!



Wen-Chun
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From: M.McCarthy@daresbury.ac.uk (M. McCarthy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Problem:  Can't re-install OS/2
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:58:55 GMT
Organization: Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.


I've been happily using 2.0 GA since April without any serious
problems, but about a week ago I had a crash after which the WPS
wouldn't restart and restoring or rebuilding my .INI files and
CONFIG.SYS didn't help.  So I tried to reinstall - and have been
trying ever since.  I've tried installing to FAT & HPFS partitions,
with and without boot manager, removed all expansion cards except
video and IDE cards, enabled and disabled auto-detect on the video
card; even turning round three times and spitting didn't help.
What bothers me (amongst other things) is that the install problems
aren't consistent.  Sometimes it will seem to install correctly,
but when rebuilding the desktop it will only create the Templates
and OS/2 System icons - both of which are usually (but not always)
empty.  Sometimes it will stop with a completely white screen.
Sometimes it will die earlier with COUNTRY.SYS errors.  One time
I got endless SYS3171 error windows whilst it was trying to build the
desktop.  I've read through the FAQ and other useful documents from
the ftp site and tried assorted fixes, whether they seemed relevent
or not.  I've tried using drivers off the CSD and others that are
ftp-able.  Can somebody point the finger and laugh at me for missing
something exceedingly obvious?  I'd really appreciate it.
The hard disk seems to be fine - I've run assorted diagnostics with
no errors and DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 [sigh] are running from there
quite contentedly in OS/2's place.  Maybe memory is a problem, but
I've never had any TRAPs which I believe are the common sign of memory
trouble.  
Many thanks for any suggestions you can make.

Hardware:
No-name 33MHz 486, 20Mb memory
170Mb Fujitsu IDE drive
1Mb Trident 8900C
Future Domain 850 SCSI card, 100Mb Quantum drive, 330Mb CDC drive
        (having the SCSI card removed makes no difference)

Martin McCarthy
Science & Engineering Research Council, Daresbury Laboratory
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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Some news from PC Week
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223654.24255@ee.ubc.ca> aberno@ee.ubc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.060332.11151@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> bradleyt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd Bradley) writes:
>
>>He's an asshole.  Dvorak had his chance to accept what is obviously
>>a superior operating system.  Instead, he consistently prophesized
>>its demise and praised Windows.  Only when OS/2 became popular did
>>Dvorak start writing positive things about it.  He is the worst kind
>>of hypocrite and has lost all of my respect.
>
>He fell from grace in my eyes when he described the Mac OS as 
>"effeminate"....
>
>now THERE'S a really intelligent criticism, eh?
>
>-Anthony
>
Thanks for reminding me (accurately) about what he said (not that it
matters much, but I thought he'd said it about Windows).  He managed to
take swipe at both an OS and an entire gender with one ignorant swipe.
Actually, he did me a favor: I no longer read him.  There's getting to
be ever less worth reading in PC Magazine these days.  It may pay to
drop my subscription and just buy, at the newstand, the issues that
concern me.  

Season's Greetings!

jmalloy@hamilton.edu
>
>
>


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From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Printer problems
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:26:14 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-12-92 16:20
I turned off the print spooler, turned it back on and now it won't
spool.  All documents just sit in the window and stare back at me now.

I have an IBM Graphics Printer II compatible.
Help!

Thanks in advance
Vic
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From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: Why does DOS (Telix, AutoCAD, etc.) use 100%
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:35:49 GMT

rem5156@zeus.tamu.edu (The Doctor) writes:

>..does anyone know why my system maxes out to 100% when I use Telix, or OrCAD
>or AutoCAD in a DOS full-screen session?

Apparently pulse gets confused with dos/windows tasks. The CPU useage as 
displayed is not correct.

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From: amund@itk.unit.no (Amund Skavhaug)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Boot Manager and NT incompatibility; Read on! 
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology / SINTEF, Trondheim, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:33:21 GMT


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From: jlloyd@adapcal.UUCP (John Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Adaptec SCSI and drivers
Organization: Adaptec Inc., California
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1992 16:39:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec6.200518.2437@dds4.uucp> lum@dds4.uucp (Michael Lum) writes:
>I have just tried the os2cdrom.zip from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu and I still have
>a problem.  I get the following message:
>
>	SYS1201: ... OS2CDROM.DMD specified in BASEDEV= command ...
>	not installed.  Press Enter to continue.
>
>No reason given why the driver wasn't installed.
>
You did not mention the CD-ROM drive you were using, but here goes.
Some CD-ROM drives (i.e. NEC) do NOT reject synchronous negotiation
even though they do not use it. This causes garbled data to be returned
when the SCSI bus is scanned. I suggest you try disabling synchronous
negotiation on the target assigned to your CD-ROM drive.

John
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Misc OS/2 questions (especially CSD installation)
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:03:08 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

In article <1992Dec13.221646.26349@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
...
>It's a pity that OS/2 provides no support for >1.4 meg on (so-called)
>1.4meg diskettes. With FDREAD under DOS, you can go to 82 trakcs and
>extra sectors too and get up to 1.76MB on a disk. I can't see why IBM chose
>not to include such support. We are intelligent to realise that if we use
>such disks, other people won't be able to use the disks (unless they run
>FDREAD under DOS lets say) and take care. They claim a DOS better than DOS
>but in some areas I feel they could have made it even better!

It's funny you should mention that.  I have had no problems reading and
writing FDFORMAT'd diskettes (3.5", 1.72M) under OS/2 (w/o loading any
driver or such).  It seems to just work.  I assumed that they had
re-written (re-implemented) enuf of the BIOS to make this work.  This is
on a machine where, in order to access these diskettes under plain DOS,
I do have to load the driver (FDREAD.EXE).

I have yet to format a floppy (to any density) under OS/2, though...

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From: os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.)
Subject: Re: Object Vision for OS/2 for sale
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:44:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1gir0qINNlqd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kristine@cats.ucsc.edu (Kristine Mei Lan Ing) writes:

>Object Vision for Os/2 for sale.

>Original box, manuals and reg card!

>$85.00

This is slimy.  Anyone who went to any of the OS/2 developer's conferences
got a free copy, and you're trying to make an extra buck off it of.  Tsk, tsk.
If you're going to be that was, I have three copies with the shrink wrap
still on that I'll sell total for $80.00.  :)

Cheers,
Q

P.S.  ObjectVision for OS/2 is a good concept but is still *very* buggy.  I
expected better from Borland.  :(
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From: mortenk@dhhalden.no (MORTEN KNUDSEN)
Subject: Re: Are PS/2 floppy drives better under OS/2?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:23:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202414.9359@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>
>You can do this quite easily in -- you guessed it -- REXX.  But, now
>that I mention it, I leave the task up to you.  :-)
>
>Just to get you started, you could call it BFORMAT.  Use the SysBeep
>function in REXXUTIL to generate the beep (you can even play a short
>musical interlude :-)).  Prompt first for the diskette label and
>perhaps the diskette size (to make it really friendly).
>
Those who have a soundcard, could actually have the computer ask them 
to insert a new disk. Cute!
From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Maximum Overkill under OS/2 ?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:39:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) says:

>In article <vpsoc.723960139@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>
>I deleted it. I suggest you whine at the company for being so stupid as to 
>make a program that is completely incompatible with:
>Windows 3.1
>OS/2
>QEMM
>386Max
>and EMM386.EXE which comes with dos!
>

While it is a great game, the stupid thing doesn't work with DR-Dos either.

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From: cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com (Michael C. Cambria)
Subject: Installing Nov PDK
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:18:13 GMT



I have the november pdk cd-rom and a (supported) cd player is "in the
mail", and I would like some planing information from those of you 
already have the cd.

I will be installing a lot of what is on the cd.  Will I be able to 
install products to a disk partition of my choice?  For example, I
would like to keep the beta os/2 in its own partition, c/set in 
a different partition etc.  Can this be done?  Is it idiot proof?

Thanks,
/Mike
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From: shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr)
Subject: Re: trident and SP probs
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:28:31 GMT

In article <sal8.242.724187833@po.cwru.edu> sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
}In article <1992Dec11.152329.18408@husc3.harvard.edu> mendels1@husc4.harvard.edu (Andrew Mendelsohn) writes:
}>From: mendels1@husc4.harvard.edu (Andrew Mendelsohn)
}>Subject: trident and SP probs
}>Date: 11 Dec 92 20:23:28 GMT
}>I find the new unofficial trident drivers quite nice, but i have one 
}>problem: the desktop undergoes a shift in color when I open a seamless
}>window application or when using pmfract.  Any suggestions?

If you mean that the colors on your OS/2 desktop go screwy, you need to
start a full screen WINOS2 session so that you can remove the nice back-
ground picture you selected in your Desktop settings.  I think you'll
find that selecting a full screen DOS or OS/2 session and then immediately
returning to the OS/2 desktop will temporarily clear up the condition.
Deselecting any picture on your full screen WINOS2 desktop will clear up
the problem permanently.

This is some kind of bug in the palette management code which will hope-
fully be fixed soon.  I know it sounds crazy that a seamless session is
affected in anyway by the full screen settings, but that's the way it is.
Those of us with ET4000-based SVGA's preceded you Trident owners down
this path by a few weeks, so you may have missed the discussions about it
back at that time.

Larry
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