From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1gamr2INNjlf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>   - If you read all the verses before and after this, you will find
>     the talk to all believers(muslims), not only the Prophet.  It talks
>     about charity, the matter of the slain, wealth writing at time
>     of death, fasting, Ramdan month, Hajj,  **FIGHTING the verse
>     that is mentioned**, the Hajj laws..
>   - The Scared Mosque was mentioned in this verse because Arabs
>     agreed not to fight in it out of respect to this holly place.  However,
>     if unbelivers fight there, muslims don't have to stop fighting them.
>   - If some laws were applied at the time of the prophet, it
>     doesn't mean they are all dead after he dies.  If today's muslims
>     believe in charity, the matter of the slain, wealth writing at time
>     of death, fasting, Ramdan month, Hajj laws, etc,
>     why is fighting considered excluded despite they are mentioned
>     alltogether?
>   - In verse 194 out of the same Sorat, two verses after the one quoted,
>     it makes so clear and general what it means by sacred things.
>     Sacred Mosque is just one of many..
>
>194. The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things
>are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts
>aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the
>injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to
>Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
>

Either you misunderstand me, or you have a short memory.  I don't disagree
with what you say above.  But *you* quoted 'Elbaqara' under the heading
"read what the Quran has to say about the Jews...".  To me that is misleading
because nothing in what you quoted was specific to "the Jews".


>How silly!!  They bought!!  And you beleive that if they calim?
>Where did the palestinians allover the world come from?
>Did they sell their lands for the jews and got out?
>Are you ok?
>
>Plus, Spain my friend is not forgotten thing for muslims.  However,
>there is a difference.  Spain is dead at this point of time, but
>Palestine is bleeding and Israel danger is far bigger than Spain.
>What takes a higher priority?  Taking care of a bleeding or dead person?
>But, but, but don't understand that Spain is a forgotten issue
>to muslims?  Inshallah, it will come back to Islam and muslims whether
>you like it or not.  The same applies for Bosnia and all muslim countries.
>Maybe muslims don't have the means to do it now, but they will eventually.
>

All I'm saying is that you have to be even handed in your interpretation
of the Quran.  Suppose the Israeli problem is solved.  Are you going to
start advocating the reinvation of spain?  and China? and parts of the 
former Soviet Union?  Are *you* ok?

>>Third, I fail to see what the quotes from 'ElIsraa' have to do with the
>>current Arab-Israeli conflict.  There is a reference to two promises to
>>the Jews:  The first has already been fulfilled (see Israa' 5) and the
>>second is referred to as 'Wa'ad AlAkhera ' (see Israa'7) which you
>>translate as "the second promise" which completely avoids the mention
>>of the 'Akhera' or Hereafter.  It seems to me (and if you think I'm wrong,
>>tell me why *calmly*) the second promise has to do with what will happen
>>at the end of time.
>
>For this, read Bulbul post or refer to some Tafseer, like Ibin Katheer,
>Qurtobi, Tabree, ...  You simply making false interpetation on your
>own.
>That was my point in the first place, you are just telling lies on
>Islam.  Be my guest and tell your personal opinion, but don't try to
>say Islam says this or that.
>

For the first paragraph, read my reply to Nabeel.  As for the second, I
think *you* should read it carefully yourself.

Tamer Abdelgawad