HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (COBURN  NICHOLAS SCO)
Subject: Wanted: CBR1000
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:53:46 GMT


87 is preferred year, but later is fine.  Got one?  Leave mail.

Enough said.






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Nick Coburn                                            DoD#6425
                     coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
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From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:02:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) /  9:50 am  Oct  6, 1992 /
Arnie Berger (arnie@col.hp.com) wrote:
: motorcycles blazing by at 70 or 80 mph.

snicker.  that's slow.  seriously.  70mph is easy to achieve,
even on the few turns there are.  not that i'm boasting or
anything, just pointing out that 100 is something to talk
about, not 70 or 80.

+ I'd have to agree with Chris...have done the ton myself up
there, but it was on a Gold Wing on one of the longer straights
while passing a plodding cager. In fact, during the Kawasaki
Rally I was riding two-up with a group of motorcyclists in
a staggered formation in '90 when a bloke on a Norton with
mid-section dual pipes threaded thru our group at about
70mph and he only used one hand...

: That situation up there is a tragedy
: waiting to happen.

and they do happen, often.  not with just bicyclists,
but with cars too, and solo.

+ Always have and always will...that's a fact. Last accident I
can recall was a sportbike sliding into a truck which cost the
female passenger on the bike her leg, but don't have the details.

+ A few years back a motorcyclist slightly ahead of his riding
partners on #130 just E of Mt Hamilton rounded a blind curve 
and almost collided with 4 bicyclists riding abreast! Luckily,
he had excellent brakes and was able to avoid them.       

+ I wouldn't ride on Skyline 2 abreast and had that group ridden
in a staggered formation the accident could have been avoided.
Both bicyclists and motorcyclists *should not* ride abreast esp
on crowded twisty sections with blind curves. 

+ Some years ago a hardcore bicyclist was bragging to me that he
andthe other bicyclists he was riding with passed a Harley while
riding downhill on #9 and said that he and his pals were laughing
so hard about it that they had to pull over and get a grip on
themselves..the Harley rider flipped them all off as he went by.

+ In short, it doesn't matter what you ride or drive as we've
idiots on the road everywhere. Just be happy the percentage of
idiots isn't higher than it already is.


: Why doesn't CHP set up nice, major radar-trap, production
: line.

they do, but they are ineffective.  there are too many
(stupid) riders.  they'll just keep coming back.

-- hesh

+ Indeed, there's way too many motorcylists, bicyclists and cagers
up there...horseback riders, too....the squid/cop ratio is totally
lopsided and besides the really serious bikers do it on their knees
early in the day *before* the law shows up. 

+ I don't have a problem *sharing* the road with bicyclists...I do
get pissed when bicyclists *hog* the road while riding 2-5 abreast.
If they're totally obnoxious about it I'd be tempted to knock them
over with my size 12 foot...tempted, mind you, tempted! :-)   

+ Graeme Harrison
  DoD#0649
  'I had a mtn bicycle, but a kid stole it out of my garage!'    



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.023012.13637@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
|
| [Harley building sportbikes would] piss off loyal customer base

I've heard this before, but I don't understand it.  Why would it annoy
any Harley rider that Harley was building top of the line sportbike,
effectively beating HondaYamaKawaZuki at their own game?

Or do you think that Harley isn't capable of building a competitive
sportbike?  Though I don't like most of the machines they make
now, I know that they are very capable motorcycle manufacturers,
and it wouldn't suprise me a titch if they could make a world-beater
sportbike.

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1992Oct8.154527.25148@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
|	 I knew that, you and that DeVerona(not my real name) person just
|do that to piss me off.

  Not really...  Really, it was just to counter the generalization of the
person who thought that most of the accidents happen on "crotch-rockets".
No bike maker or style has the monopoly on idiots - just that those on the
"flashier" bikes might be more noticable (which, I agree, does not help
the motorcycle image one bit).  I wonder about the manueverability of
the larger touring rigs and cruisers - and would probably never own one
because a great deal of my attraction to motorycles has to do with the
greater freedom of action afforded by them.

|completely rational.  I think the only bike that I have never ridden on
|was a Spagethorpe Imperial (not enough blue blood) and I can say without
|equivocation that I liked them all.

  Actually, and despite what people seem to beleive of me, I really have
liked riding every bike I've tried (well, except this moped thingy I tried
once).  Some a LOT more than others, also...

|  Each had there good and bad points,
|some where faster then others, some cornered better then others, some 
|appealed to my sense of aesthetics more then others but they ALL where fun.

  I wouldn't say all were *fun*, but at least enjoyable as a riding experience
usually is.

|6000 cc single over)  Anyway I now vow now, to not let you sniveling little
|twits get me down no more, even if you all are wrong wrong wrong....

  :-) :-)

  But, us sniveling little twits LIKE being wrong wrong wrong... :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:20:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175717.20459@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
>  Yeah...that's the answer I expected.  Your point is well taken, but I'm sick
>and tired of people telling me to "buy American", when so many American companies
>are unwilling to take risks and explore new technological frontiers when it
>comes to new consumer products (contrary to fighter planes, for example).
Yes, but I'm not telling you to "buy American." Hell, I own a Jap bike
and wouldn't buy a Harley because I care about performance, price, etc.

>  All that I'm saying is that they will never make as much money as they could
>(long term) overall if they don't expand their product line.
That's not necessarily true. It is possible that Harley would not
net money in a sport bike market. Remember, they have to plonk down
much money to get into it. Maybe they would, sure, but it may turn
out to be a bigger moneymaker to stay with what they know.
-Ekr




-- 
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Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
        "God gets off on a technicality. Film at 11" --CJ Silverio
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Neiman Marcus Sells Harley Davidson to Yuppie Scum
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <2058@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM>, mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
> In article <daved.718258886@convex.convex.com>, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
> 
> >Shame Shame.
> 
> Enlighten me please:  Where is the shame in this?
>

Its kind of like a Harley.  If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand
the answer.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:33:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.034609.22471@csu.edu.au> echoppin@csu.edu.au (Errol Chopping -TE) writes:
}I'll wager the proportion of right-hand-side mounters is less
}than 1%.

Well, here's one. I mount the Maxim from the right. I'm not
very flexible, and the only way I can swing my leg up that high is to
lean very far forward. I can only mount without whacking the mirror
with my chest when the handlebars are turned to the opposite side from
the side I mount, and it is a lot easier to just mount from the right
than to turn the handlebars from full left to full right just so I can
mount from the left.

Other bikes, like my little scooter, the bikes in the MSF course,
friend's bikes, etc. I mount from the left with no problem -- it
is just the Maxim that has the high passenger seat that I have trouble
swinging the leg over.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	'91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Shepherd "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Flame Bait (was: Re: Drag racing)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:24:08 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1939@shaman.wv.tek.com, harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>>>"Victimless crime" is an oxymoron.
>>
>>Not true.  Smoking dope is a victimless crime, many times.
>
>I wonder if the people who care for crack babies would agree with you.

If they have any brains they would.

(assuming dope == marijuana)


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New oil data
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:51:12 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <4664@equinox.unr.edu>, edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu writes:
> Brand and Weight     VI    Flash     Pour     %ash     %zinc
> 
> Syntec 5W-50        180     437      -49      1.2      0.10
> 
> Mobil 1  5W-30      165     445      -65      ---      ---
> 	10W-30      160     450      -65      ---      ---
> 	15W-50      170     470      -55      ---      ---
> 

ed, can you tell us more about what these mean in real-life terms?
and hows your new dirtbike?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Keywords: flames spooge yes no maybe
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:49:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct13.204940.5853
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct12.213124.301@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>OBMoto: Don't put raisins inside tubeless motorcycle tires.
>

I can't see any raisin why not!  


>:-)
>Chuck Rogers
>car377@druhi.att.com


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride raisin hell  }
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: To Mid-Atlantic Run Respondents
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:36:10 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

_Mid-Atlantic?_
Is that Atlantis City, Poseidon Square??
(I know, beyond the Carolina Coast, the world ends...
There is a cliff right beyond the horizon...)

Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.140654.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, sproksch@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
|> d
|> sdjfh
|> sed


One of those loooooong days?

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: How many times did you take CALC II? was:Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:14:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.133746.16130@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>O.K., I'll bite.  I ride a Harley and I took CALC II only once and I
>got a A.  I also got an A in CALC I, CALC III, CALC IV, and DIFF EQ.
>the first try.
>

POSER !
-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ignore  -  test
From: cwoods@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:51:40 CDT
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF Sticker = bisexual?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:34:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bw5oww.3D6@Caere.COM> mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:
>
>The decal you got comes from the California Motorcyclist Safety
>Program, not the MSF.  As a CMSP training site, we're provided with
>these yellow and blue "Iron Horse" helmet stickers for free.  There are
>actually two designs:  One says "GRADUATE" and the other doesn't.
>
>I personally think they're ugly.  I never much cared for the Iron Horse
>logo.  It still amazes me how many people look at the design and never
>figure out that it has anything to do with motorcycles.

Doesn't amaze me.  The sticker is about 3 feet away from me right now, and
I can't make out that there's a motorcycle in the design.  Even up close it
looks as much like an anatomical drawing of a horse's insides as like a
motorcycle.  I wonder why they chose that design. 


-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:15:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct15.211549.2672
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <23014@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe) writes:
>> -: 
>> -: ---I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.
>> -: --Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
>> -: --consume liquid refreshments while suited up?
>> 
>> Use a straw?
>
>Replace your coolant with Kool-Aid and run an extra hose (with on-off  
>valve) up through the face-shield.  Just don't drink too much at a time  
>without stopping to refill.

No problem.  Just run a relief tube into the top of the coolant reservoir.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS:Arai only
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:56:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <k21701.718631885@kyyppari>, k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo
Nieminen) wrote:
> 
> I thought that all riding safety equipment (including leathers) were
> safe for one crash only. I mean, the idea is that
> the suit/helmet/gloves/boots is consumed to save the wearers own
> skin...

Helmets yes, everything else no.  There's no reason to throw away a
good set of leathers just because of a couple of scuff marks.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:20:23 GMT

In article <Stafford-121092152153@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
}In article <4909@prcrs.prc.com>, terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
}wrote:
}> One thing that I don't understand is why HD is popular among yuppie types.
}> These people (as a stereotypical group, I suppose) tend to want a certain
}> style to their toys that is usually more euro or japanese.   It would seem
}> to me that the japanese/italian sport bike or the euro cruiser would be
}> more to their taste.   I don't understand why the BMW marque wouldn't be
}> considered more yuppie than HD. 
}
}I've a theory that their lifestyle is harried and oppressive enough
}that they feel the need to toughen their image.  I'm speaking of those
}who aren't high milers nor really interested in fast sport riding. I
}guess we are talking instant leather wrapped bike potatoes.

Or, to put it more succinctly, if you sooth your mid-life crisis (and
those seem to come at an earlier age for yuppies) with a Porsche or
a Ferrari and a young trophy wife, you are considered by other yuppies
to be a macho shithead. Movies like "Middle Aged Crazy" and comic strips
like Doonesbury saw to that.

If you sooth your mid-life crisis ingesting bugs on a Harley and
picking up trophy babes but not marrying them, you are considered cool,
individualistic, and macho in a way the babes (currently) like.

So the yups who were adolescents in the late '50s, when cage street
racing was the thing for "dangerous" types to do, bought fast sports
cars in the '80s. And the yups who were adolescents in the late '60s,
when the "dangerous" guys rode bikes, are buying bikes in the '90s.

My question is, what will the upwardly mobile who were adolescents
in those wonderful late '70s buy in 2001? Rebuilt Starsky and Hutch
mobiles? Sport bikes? Something even worse?
-- 
Curtis Jackson	'91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Shepherd "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Beautiful Harley Destruction Scene in Northern xposure
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:16:27 GMT

In article <daved.718993003@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>I hope all the harley-bashers on the net were able to watch last
>nights Northern Exposure episode.

>Perhaps the Harley owner will now be smart enough to buy himself 
>a new BMW/Honda/Yamaha/Kawa to replace his lost bike.

or maybe he'll give in to his soul and get another harley.

ride safe, ride whatever you like.

cliff weston
dod# 0598
--------------------
i love motorcycles.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: HEY PEOPLE! was(Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!)
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:57:01 GMT

In article <7045@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) writes:
> So what if your bike holds its value better? It SHOULD - it costs TWICE as
> much.

Since when is initial value an indicator of value retention potential?

> If you want
> an investment, put your money in the bank.

Another bright comment.  Collecting 2.9% simple interest is not my idea
of an investment.  Managed futures is the way to go if you have the
right temperment (I'm doing it but don't have the temperment for it :-( ).

Now, would someone explain to me what "jagoff" means?  Is this a 
mispronounced version of "jackoff?"

- Roid
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:34:44 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

Nick, when I try to e-mail you I get a "Bad Address" bounce.
Could you email me a usable address for you?

Thanks.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Oct 1992 00:35:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct12.235238.13913@morrow.stanford.edu>,
karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) wrote:
> 
> The rubber spigots that mount
> the carburetors to the head, which get pretty brittle
> after ten or twelve years, cost $22 each.
> 
Hell, I should do that now.  The idle sucks.  Wanders all over the
damn place, and I can see where on the the spigots/manifolds (#4) is
leaking around the carb.  I should probably rebuild all four carbs also.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |