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From: saf@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein)
Subject: Need N.Y. Style Potato Salad!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:16:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


When I lived in N.Y. and I would order Potato Salad from the Deli
counter at Waldbaums supermarket, I'd get something completely
different than what I get here.

It was made with potatoes that were thinly sliced about the size of
silver dollars and was more white than the yellow stuff you can get
most anywhere.  It was a lot simpler, and has a very nice little bite.
The spices are something that I never could reproduce.

The only other place I've been able to find it was at a place called
the Carmel Deli, but that's in Charlotte North Carolina and the guys
that own it are former N.Y.'ers.

If anyone know of a Deli or supermarket that sells this stuff please
let me know.  Or if there be any N.Y.'ers with the recipe, I'd be
-- 
 Steve A. Feinstein | saf@netcom.com | When a man points a finger at someone
  360 Cowper Street |================| else, he should remember that four
Palo Alto, CA 94301 |                  fingers are pointing at himself.
     (415) 326-8224 |                                          - Louis Nizer
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:38:41 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

c60b-2hz@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Nathaniel Meyers) wrote: 
->....  Or is South Dakota considered retro-chic?  ...

bingo.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: johnk@consilium.com (Sean Keeler)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Russian Food on the Peninsula ??
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:22:32 GMT
Organization: Consilium, Inc.
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Can anybody recommend a good Russian restaurant in the Mtn. View, Palo
Alto general area?
 
Thanks.
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Russian Food on the Peninsula ??
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:55:33 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|>  We felt that the selection at lunch wasn't
|> "right" -- too many things seemed more appropriate for
|> dinner.  To be fair, maybe we were just in the mood for some
|> lunch special.

I believe the Russain traditional style is for lunch to be the main
meal, with dinner being lighter.

By the way, what kind of foods did this restaurant serve?  I recently
visited Russia and found almost all the restaurants to serve the same
lunch:  a salad (sometimes several salads), a soup, then a main course
of baked meat loaf or fried fish with mashed potatoes.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
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From: J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Seeking Cheeseboard Look-alike
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:17:33 GMT

I used to get up to this place on Shattuck and would buy the french bread
with melted and hardened cheese. I don't get to Berkeley much anymore. If
anyone knows the item I am talking about and who would have something as
close as possible to these excellent jaw exercisers and can tell me the
location, I would appreciate it. Santa Clara...SJ...Su...MV...LA, etc.

thanks,

MJG
From: jbrdc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (David C. Brock)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Sonoma Mission Inn
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:30:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Chevron, La Habra, CA

Hi all.
My wife and I are going to spend a little time at the Sonoma Mission
Inn.  While there, we plan to treat ourselves to a nice dinner.  I
know there are many great restaurants in the Wine Country, and I've
also heard that the restaurant at the Inn is good.

Plan one is to simply have dinner at the Inn, that way we can down
a nice bottle of wine and just totter back to our room.  Is the
restaurant good?  A friend who was recently at the Inn said they
bypassed it as looking a bit too "pretentious" for their mood.  Is
it?  Is it formal?

Plan two is to taxi or courtesy car or whatever to a restaurant not
too far away.  Suggestions? 

--Dave Brock

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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Review:  Harold's Famous Barbeque
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:54:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.174852.14469@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) wrote: 
>->Better than Armadillo Willy's and Old South Barbeque?  Um, no.
>
>but is it authentic?
>
>8-]

Sure.  It's authentic Newark barbeque. :-)

Charleen
--
In a Rome laundry:
       Ladies, leave your clothes here and spend the afternoon having a
       good time.
From: nancyann@work.berkeley.edu (Nancy Johnsen Horton)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:34:18 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu

In article <5199@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>
>I think the Claremont would be considered a "good hotel" if it were
>located in South Dakota.  Other than that, it's a good tennis club with
>a view.  The rooms haven't been paited in years, and the service is
>surly.  In a large metropolitan area like the Bay Area, the Claremont
>doesn't rank.



I have to disagree.  We were at the Claremont just two weeks ago.  The
room was beautiful, the room service speedy and charmingly served
and the food was very, very good.


njh
From: brad@optilink.UUCP (Brad Yearwood)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Central Texas BBQ, Castroville
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:40:41 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <137967@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, llittle@tis.llnl.gov (Larry Little) writes:
# 
# bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan) writes:
# >I hate to be a naysayer, but I have to throw in my $.02 and say that
# >I was not at all impressed with Central Texan BBQ.  The ribs that I
# >had were dry, tough and chewy.  The hickory-oak smoke flavor was nice,
# >but it didn't seem like anything to rave about. 
# 
# I think "dry, tough, and chewy" are apt descriptions of *beef* ribs,
# which is why I always avoid them.  (Some restaurants call them dinosaur 
# ribs, in a failed attempt to be cutesy.)  If this was the pork ribs, 
# then there was a problem that night.  

One problem is this idiotic west coast insistence on benchmarking BBQ quality
by comparing ribs.  You want to talk BBQ, let's talk BBQ - not BBQ'd ribs.  If
you gotta do ribs, Little's right about beef vs. pork.

Best west coast BBQ place name award: Dr. Hoggly Woggly's Tyler Texas Pit BBQ,
Los Angeles (they still around?).

Brad Yearwood   brad@optilink.com   {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad
Petaluma, CA
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From: allanl@cory.Berkeley.EDU (A. Chris Long  Jr.)
Subject: Bagels?
Summary: Where can I get them?
Keywords: bagels
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:04:40 GMT

I recently arrived in the Bay Area (Berkeley, to be specific) and I
really miss the great bagel sandwich restaurant in Charlottesville
(VA).  Are there any restaurants around (preferable in the East Bay,
but I'll take what I can get) that have good bagels?

I'd be happy to summarize if you want to email me and there's
interest.

Thanks a lot.


- Chris
-- 
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From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Afternoon Tea in the East Bay Area
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:27:22 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Nathaniel Meyers <c60b-2hz@web-2a.berkeley.edu> writes:

	There aren't any rooms or there aren't any good hotels?

The latter.

	As for good hotels I believe the Shattuck and the Claremont
	qualify.

I think the Claremont would be considered a "good hotel" if it were
located in South Dakota.  Other than that, it's a good tennis club with
a view.  The rooms haven't been paited in years, and the service is
surly.  In a large metropolitan area like the Bay Area, the Claremont
doesn't rank.  As for the Shattuck, I've stayed there several times
(once for a month), and it would have been worth it to stay someplace
in San Francisco and commute ...

I don't know what has come of the new Park Hotel in downtown Oakland.
It used to be an efficient Hyatt, but I think it lost a lot of money
and was sold.  It's probably just a j-random business hotel now.

/jordan
From: tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Russian Food on the Peninsula ??
Summary: One in San Mateo
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:24:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

A Russian restaurant opened up a month or two ago in San Mateo.
Rasputin is on 25th Ave (halfway between route 92 and
Hillsdale Blvd/shopping center) about one and a half blocks
logical west of El Camino on the logical south side of the
street.

My wife and I had lunch there one of the first days they were
open.  The menu has changed a bit, and they have different
selections for lunch and dinner.  We thought it was so-so,
but will go back to see.  Perhaps it was because they had
just opened.  We felt that the selection at lunch wasn't
"right" -- too many things seemed more appropriate for
dinner.  To be fair, maybe we were just in the mood for some
lunch special.  The service also needed to be improved.

The menu is now a bit different.  I walked past on a Friday
evening and it was packed solid.  They also had a pianist.

So...  My wife and I will go back sometime.  Worth a try.
Not quite Palo Alto area, but maybe.


-- 
Glenn Tenney
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Review:  Harold's Famous Barbeque
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:48:52 GMT

charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) wrote: 
->Better than Armadillo Willy's and Old South Barbeque?  Um, no.

but is it authentic?

8-]

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Sawadee closed? Peace Restaurant closed?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:38:50 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <2607@tymix.Tymnet.COM> rklute@enchanter.tymnet.com (Robert  
Klute) writes:
> They are Bangkok Garden and High Thai.  I am especially fond of High Thai,
> the food is good, and the atmosphere is pleasantly well-done.  Bangkok
> Garden is more along the lines of hole-in-the-wall.  The food is good.
High Thai is fancier and has a more extensive menu. Bangkok Garden is less  
expensive and usually has better food. (B.G. ranges from good to excellent.  
Unfortunately, when you've had excellent, merely good is a  
disappointment...) With their recent addition, Bangkok Garden is bigger than  
your average hole-in-the-wall but has about the same atmosphere. Both are  
much better than Sawadee was. I also like Thai City on El Camino in Palo  
Alto though its a bit more expensive and not quite as good as these other  
two.
--
Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson
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From: jchen@beach.csulb.edu (James Chen)
Subject: Chinese restaurant in SF Chinatown
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:17:27 GMT

Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Chinese restaurants in Chinatown
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Keywords: 


I have been in San Francisco Chinatown several times, but I didn't have any
success finding a good Chinese restaurant there.  Does anyone know a good
"authentic" Chinese restaurant in SF Chinatown?

Thanks,
James Chen
jchen@beach.csulb.edu
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From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Subject: Re: Don't Patronize Triple Rock BrewPub, Berkeley, Calif
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:41:04 GMT

As I private pilot, I hate to make recommendations like this, but I
would contact the Federal Aviation Administration, Flight Standards
District Office (FSDO) in Oakland, CA (where I believe the plane is
based), and lodge a complaint.  Banner towers, signboard aircraft, and
the like all operate under waivers of the Federal Aviation Regulations
(FARs), and the operators of the aircraft are very, very sensitive to
the FAA's concerns, since the FAA can put them out of business by the
10 second process of revoking their waiver.
--
-- Christophe

"Black is the color of non-conformity.  Everyone has to have it."
	T-shirt company executive
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From: kent@wrs.com (Kent Long)
Subject: Re: Anybody know where I can find sugar free candy?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:13:46 GMT

In article <23882@sybase.sybase.com> aruna@sybase.com (Aruna Mahadevan) writes:
>
>I am looking for a "sugar-free" candy for diabetics.  Anyone know of a
>place where I can get those in the Bay Area?

In the East Bay, a really good place is Pepe Lou's Sugarfree Shoppe,
in Pinole.  I believe they make the candy right there in the store.
They have a good selection of different candy types, as well as
ice creams and other desserts.

I often buy their goodies for my diabetic father, and he raves about them.
My sugar-accustomed palate could tell the difference, but they're really
pretty close to regular.  They use various different sweeteners, so you
can cater to any further dietary restrictions.

To get there, take I-80 about 10 miles east from Berkeley.  Take the
Appian Way exit, go right (south) at the light.  Follow Appian Way up the
hill - the store is in a small office building on the right, in with 
a couple of realty offices.

	Pepe Lou's Sugarfree Shoppe
	2576 Appian Way, Pinole
	(510) 758-2526


BA.FOOD SIDE NOTE:
The Chinese restaurant across the parking lot, Uncle Chung's Szechuan, 
is excellent!

Have fun,

 - kent
   kent@wrs.com
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From: reid@pa.dec.com (Brian Reid)
Subject: Re: Anybody know where I can find sugar free candy?
Organization: DEC Network Systems Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 15:40:14 GMT


Nearly every specialty candy store carries sugar-free candy.
There are two in Palo Alto (Sweet Surprise on University Avenue and another
whose name I can't remember in the Stanford Shopping Center).
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Thai
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:22:43 GMT

In article <1507@esl.ESL.COM> Samuel Hahn <sam@esl.com> writes:
}Anybody else rave about Keo's "Evil Jungle Prince"? Too bad Keo's is in  
}Hawaii (ie not here)! -- Sam

Thanks. Now you've made me feel guilty about not making anything from
his cookbook even though I've had it for two years.

Yes, Keo's is fantastic. Unfortunately I did my mother a great
disservice -- I took her to the original Hawaii* Keo's as her first
ever Thai food experience.

* Keo (the chef) is originally from the Pacific Northwet; don't know
if he had a place(s) up there before moving to Hawaii.
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Review:  Harold's Famous Barbeque
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:29:19 GMT

Not long ago, a poster recommended Harold's, which is on Newark Boulevard
in Newark.  My companion and I were in the neighborhood anyway, so we 
decided to try it.

I had beef ribs and chicken, he had hot links (his standard of comparison
for BBQ joints).  We were both disappointed.

My beef ribs were tough--forget falling-off-the-bone tenderness, I was
hacking at these with a knife and losing.  Stringy, too.  Chicken:  fatty
and forgettable.  Maybe that's why they hid it under the ribs.  

I ordered medium sauce, he had hot.  Neither sauce is worth mentioning;
both were flat and lacked both spice and heat.

I left two ribs uneaten (I'd left my small chainsaw at home), and the
waitress asked if I wanted them wrapped to go.  "No, thanks."  "How
were they?"  "Well, to tell the truth, they were pretty tough and
stringy."  "Oh, well, that happens with beef ribs sometimes."  (BBQ
fans:  True? Is it just luck of the draw?)

Better than Armadillo Willy's and Old South Barbeque?  Um, no.

Charleen
--
Tara Georgianna Gephart Judkins, 37, was accused in February of performing
oral sex on a Viacom Cablevision employee in Nashville in exchange for a
cable TV hookup.  A Nashville Banner reporter failed to ascertain whether
she received premium channels or just basic cable. -- _News of the Weird_
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Krung Tep, El Cerrito
Originator: gwu@nujoizey
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:07:58 GMT


-
     Last Saturday, I went to Krung Tep for dinner.  Since ba.food once had
a thread concerning this place, I thought I'd post my comments.  I'd long
forgotten about the place, but noticed it on the way home one day.  Since it
is so close to where I live, I suggested to some friends we go there for dinner
rather than waiting with the mosquitoes for a tennis court.

     We ordered the beef satay appetizer, Tom Kha Guy soup, a spicey duck
entree, and the shrimp and mushroom dish.  The satay came first.  Although
somewhat small, it was hot and very tender.  The usual (mustard?) condiment
was rather bland.

     Next came the soup.  Tom Kha Guy is one of the di riguer Thai dishes,
and one of my favorites.  I was disappointed.  The soup was strongly sour, and
almost completely lacked any coconut milk flavor.  Tiny undissolved white
granules led me to speculate if they weren't trying to substitute some powdered
flavors for the real thing.  Some of the pieces of chicken were too tough, and
there wasn't enough chicken, mushrooms, or anything else.

     Right on the mark, as everyone who's ever been there even once will tell
you, the entrees arrived forty minutes after we had ordered.  Expecting that,
I don't fault them for their pace, but one of my companions was beginning to
exhibit signs of cannabalism.

     The entrees were small.  Very small.  There were five shrimp in the one
dish.  They were prepared fine, but unremarkably so.  The duck was very fatty.
This dish was spicey (We asked for medium.), but otherwise not extraordinary.

     The total for three people, with drinks, tax, and tip, came to $36.00.
Overall, I'd have to say I was disappointed.  I was hoping for a place close
to home at least as good as Nakapan (MLK in Berkeley).  The waitress was
*very* polite, not to mention cute.  The location is convenient (San Pablo
Ave., near the Richmond border of El Cerrito).  I just wish the food was better
and the portions larger.

							George

-- 
----
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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Subject: FOOD NOT BOMBS needs food 330 5030
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:17:14 GMT

If your organization or company has extra food
please call 330 5030 and we will come and pick
it up.  If you would like a tax deduction
for donating let us know.

San Francisco only - write for east
bay number.

Thanks.
FNB is devoted to serving food to hungry
people regardless of economic status, race,
or creed.  FNB serves over 300 meals a day
for free (or contributions).

-- 
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From: jclee@bugbuster.Eng.Sun.COM (James Lee)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Restaurant recommendations for Sacramento?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:47:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bugbuster


Hi,

Please give me some recommendations on good restaurants around
the Sacramento area.  I'm open to all suggestions.

TIA,
james
From: pauln@loopkill.EBay.Sun.COM (Paul Nguyen)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Le Mouton Noir
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:07:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pauln@loopkill.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: loopkill.ebay.sun.com

Have anyone been to Le Mouton Noir in Saratoga?



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From: kxbehni@srv.PacBell.COM (Keyvan Behnia)
Subject: HAYES VALLEY BLOCK PARTY
Reply-To: kxbehni@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific Bel
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:55:07 GMT

I am passing on the info on Hayes Valley Block Party


ART IN EVERY FORM

Friday 10/2 from 7 to 10pm

300.400.500
blocks of hayes
and the intersecting blocks
of Gough and Laguna Streets in SF

Come Fall Into Fun!

my additions:
In a span of two years, despite a recession, the hayes valley has quietly turned into the most eclectic neighborhood in SF. These block parties which are held seasonally involve forty or so little shops that hold special events and opennings. they serve snakcs, drinks, have little sidewalk shows, or major art opennings/installations. the most unique shops in the area are furniture design shops, alternative galleries, and unique clothing stores. most of the owners live in the back of their shops and heartil



y talk with you about their wares.

foodwise the place is growing. there is of course hayes st. grill. fried chicken at powell's, geva's caribbean cusine, vicollo and the homey cafe del estelle. Vince (in the space occupied by Zola and partly owned by the Zuni Clan) is a new addition which i tried on their first week with great expectations and was let down. for an "only in sf experience" try mad magda's coffee house and palm reading near the end of the 500 block. 

see you there

Keyvan
From: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM (Jane Woo)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Chinese restaurant in SF Chinatown
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: woobaby.ebay.sun.com


 In article <BvBID4.I9w@beach.csulb.edu> jchen@beach.csulb.edu (James Chen) writes:
 >
 >I have been in San Francisco Chinatown several times, but I didn't have any
 >success finding a good Chinese restaurant there.  Does anyone know a good
 >"authentic" Chinese restaurant in SF Chinatown?

Well... I always eat at Hang Ah's when I'm in SF Chinatown.
It's in an alley way across from the volleyball court on
Sacramento Street (X Stockton).  Talk about a "hide away"!!
It's a very old establishment run by a single family with
lots of old cooks.  Can't get more authentic!!  Now, there's
two menus like all good Chinese restuarants- one in English
and the other in Chinese.  Always order from the Chinese
if you can read!!  I've known lots of people who don't read
Chinese who learn a few basic characters like fish, beef,
chicken, and veggies and kind of "wing it" for a meal.

The service will try to help... but their English is not
too good.

Good luck!!
-jane

PS- A good indication of good Chinese food is to check out
    the patrons.... if most are Chinese... it must be pretty
    decent!!!
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