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From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Andre Marou
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:21:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

zzz@byron.u.washington.edu (Sample) writes:

> Is Marou on the ballot in Washington State?
> Is he on all 50 states?

	Yes.  He finished a few weeks before Perot's petition drive.

  If you would like more information, there are two numbers to call

	1-800-272-1776		and		1-800-682-1776

  The national office is (202) 543-1988.  I don't know the Washington
State office, but the national office people should.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: CONDOMS! and AIDS
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:34:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <11053@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) writes:

>Nevertheless, condoms are lousy.  They BREAK, people.  Sometimes they break at
>the tip, and you can sometimes detect that, but by the time that you can 
>detect it, there is some chance that it will be too late to prevent either
>pregnancy or transmission of disease.  Sometimes they split on the edge, and
>this is often very hard to detect.  Sometimes they break at the moment of
>ejaculation, and what's the point of detecting the break then?

I think there's an awful lot of silly scare stories circulating about
condoms here. Just how often do condoms break, Eric? I've been using
them for thirty years, and being a curious person I used to fill them
up with water before throwing them away the next day. In the several
hundred I did test before I got fed up I never found one leak. That
conforms with the breakage statistics I've seen.

On the other hand, my mum seriously told me I must always use two
condoms because it was well known that Roman Catholics and man-hating
lesbians in the condom factories used to push pins through them.

Where did you get your condom facts from, Eric?
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support
From: bitbug@netcom.com (James Buster)
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:04:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.220744.3058@beaver.cs.washington.edu> martinjp@cs.washington.edu (John Martin) writes:
>I have a friend who will soon quit his job to avoid heavy support
>payments (alimony and c.s.).  His after tax pay is $ 2700/mo. the
>judgement requires him to pay $ 2000/mo. to his ex (plus 2 kids).
>
>note: the ex has a BS in biology, is female, is hispanic (ie. affirmative
>       action bait) my friend has no degree.

J***s C****t!!! How do they justify requiring him to pay 75% of his take
home pay to his ex-wife?  She's receiving (since it's tax-free to her) as
much money from him as a $40,000/year job, and she doesn't have to lift a
finger in work for it. This is so grossly outrageous that I'm amazed your
friend's lawyer couldn't reduce it. Does your state (which one?) routinely
screw NCPs this badly?
-- 
				James Buster
			     bitbug@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:34:13 GMT

In article <BRUCE.92Oct6180738@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk> bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:
>>>>>> On 6 Oct 92, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) said:
>
>> The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.
>
>WHAT?  No garlic?  Or is that included with chocolate?
>--
>Bruce

i thought it was rum, tobacco, coffee and politics...


Scott 
              "... if that happens, of course, you will find a packet of 
              sea urchins in your mailbox. To derive full enjoyment,
              take one in each hand and squeeze."         - Dr H. S. Thompson
From: krgjus01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: sex related!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:32:57 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town


We are two inquisitive, experimenting male students looking for the answers to a
couple of questions.
 
Firstly, we would like to set the scene - we are studying at the University of
Cape Town ( which is in South Africa for those of you that don't know !) where
the women are beautiful, tanned and perfectly built, but are best described as
conservative in their sexual outlook - basically fridgid and stuck-up !

What we want to know is whether the women are all that different in the good
old U.S. of A. as we have heard some amazing stories about American women !!
Responses would be appreciated from both sexes as we have to make a decision on
whether to remain in this country ... and remain celebate for the rest of our
lives.

E-MAIL us with your responses please.

Sexy Sam and Kinky Kris
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Barbie is Right! (was: Mattel on women)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:18:07 GMT

Note: this post is close-captioned for the humor-impaired.
 
    Since there seems to be such a big flap about a talking Barbie,
let's have a feminist version. Some phrases might include:
 
       "All sex is rape."
       "Men are insensitive brutes."
       "Hate all men."
       "Marriage is slavery."
       "All men are rapists."
       "We're fierce, we're feminists, and we're in your face."
       "Every woman must be prepared to become a lesbian."
       "Hillary Clinton is a goddess."
 
     Let's also give Barbie a scissors and chain so she tame those
evil, insensitive, uncaring, murdering oppressors of womyn called
'men'. Such will be the salvation of society! Rejoice, for the new
reign of the womyn has begun!!
 
 
========================================================================
"You speak evil of that which is fair    | My opinions are mine and mine
beyond the reach of your thought and on- | alone. I speak for myself and
ly little wit can excuse you."-J.R.R.    | no-one else.
Tolkien in Lord of the Rings trilogy.    |______________________________
Reply to N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu.         Stamp Out Political Correctness
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: We, The Persons
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:42:48 GMT

In article <70714@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:

>>>We no longer talk of "sex".  We speak of "gender".  We call people
>>>"the homeless" instead of "bums" and "hobos" even if it is a
>>>voluntary "lifestyle".

>"Disadvantaged" is a favorite with the media.  "Less fortunate" is
>another.  The media will absolutely NEVER acknowledge the fact that 
>there are many bums out there who simply refuse to work and deserve to
>live the way they do.  This is precisely the reason why we will never solve
>the poverty problem - people want to blame everyone but them.  I believe
>Rush has a much more accurate ephemism: "human debris".

Oh, come on.  I'm no fan of the Vice President either, but he deserves a
little more respect than that.    [No :-)]
-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Roland Hemond: SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!
Vote Clinton/Gore '92.   Four more weeks!!!   		"Bloody urine"
Xref: sparky soc.men:17538 soc.women:17537 misc.kids:25687
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mattel on women
Keywords: Targetting females once again.
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:47:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.#sjp#nk
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct9.152042.9354@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <mljp9=#@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>>>
>>>Why should she lie?  Math is boring and absurd.  :-)  At least
>>>I though so, and I've done fairly well in life without it thank you.
>
>>A girl (or boy) would do well to consider math-intensive careers,
>>and most will not benefit from additional encouragement to
>>avoid math.
>
>How about encouraging children to aspire as they are inclined?  If
>your child enjoys music, should they be urged into math?  If your child
>enjoys art, should they be encouraged into math?  What about sports,
>language, geology, etc?  Of course math is important because just about

Well, you changed the subject completely from avoiding negative
images about math (in young children) to preventing children from
going into fields they like. Of course I wouldn't advocate that.
However, this is not nearly as easy as you make it sound.

If your 9 year-old has become pretty good at piano, and always
seems to like it, then one day announces "I don't wanna play
piano", do you stop right there, let him quit, and sell the piano?
If your 12 year-old daughter starts getting interested in boys but
has lost interest in math class over the last few weeks, do you
tell her "that's OK, there are lots of careers where math isn't
important"?

I hope not. There are lots of opportunities for kids to make
snap decisions that profoundly affect their lives, sometimes
based upon very flimsy reasoning. One of our roles as parents
is to give children the self-esteem to recognize that they
might have the talent to do a lot of things, rather than let
them be pigeonholed into  some limited selection of careers.
Sometimes that means telling them that their classmates
and teachers are wrong (girls can take science classes and
still be feminine), and, yes, influencing them a little bit
by pointing out the virtues of subjects they don't much care
for *right now*.

>My career advice, as I said above, is to urge children and adolescents
>in the direction to which they feel inclined.  What's yours, pray tell?
>
First, give them the self-esteem to recognize that they
don't have to quit everything that is hard. Second, make sure
they know there may be a lot of latent skills they have that
might not be apparent at present. Third, keep an open mind.

Brian
Xref: sparky soc.men:17541 soc.women:17539 misc.kids:25689
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mattel on women
Keywords: Targetting females once again.
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:57:01 GMT
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
>>bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:

>>>Any ideas for nice things a 'Barbie' _could_ actually say about math? 
 
>>Math is interesting!
 
>Why should she lie?  Math is boring and absurd.  :-)  At least
>I though so, and I've done fairly well in life without it thank you.

Yes, why should she lie [as she currently does]?  Math is easy and 
fun. :-)  At least I think so, and I've done fairly well in life
using it thank you. 

rini
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: We, The Persons
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:38:55 GMT

In article <7560124@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode) writes:
>larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr) writes:
>
>> Such words and phrases as ... "Negro", ...
>> no longer used in public speech.  These words are "sexist",
>> "intolerant", "bigoted", "racist", "biased" and they show "cultural
>> insensitivity" to boot.  Now we are forced to use the words
>> ... "african-american", ...
>
>
>  This may be the wrong place to ask, but I have been wondering something
>for a while.  If a "black" person is now "African-American," what is
>the "politically correct" phrase for a "black" person who lives in Europe?
>"African-European?"  "African-French" (if in France)?


In German, I've seem "Afro-Deutscher" (Afro-German).

I wonder if there's a term "Politische-Korrekt" or if "PC" or "PK" is used?

[My German spelling isn't that great :-(  ]

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:33:28 GMT
Reply-To: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

In article <Oct.7.09.59.47.1992.1945@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
> 
> 
> And what is that choice?  Bush?  The man that trashed this country
> without blinking an eye, the man who lies to us every day, allows his
> family to steal from us, and doesn't give a rat's ass about what happens
> to us as long as he and his friends get their cut, wins your support
> because of something that *YOU* *INFERRED* from a quote taken out
> of context?

You're right.  The choice isn't very attractive.  Yet I inferred nothing,
and took nothing out of context.  To the extent that Clinton's campaign
has any gender impact, from start to finish it's anti-male.
> 
> Clinton wants to enforce whatever decisions are made by the courts.

No, only some of them.  

> -- 
> Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
> Publications Coordinator - User Services
> Rutgers University Computing Services

-- 
Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu
Xref: sparky soc.men:17738 alt.dads-rights:2452
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:43:41 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct13.185148.1688677@locus.com>, jpaul@locus.com (James Hensley) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.185109.17729@exu.ericsson.se> exudnw@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>>As far as I can see, there's *no* decent choice for president this time.
> 
> There hasn't been for 12 years.
> 
> James
> -- 
> 

Only 12?


> jpaul@locus.com  | ..ucsd!lccsd!jpaul   :  all views expressed are mine.
> Clouds filled with blood rain on the water
> While Nightime's fingers clench the light shut...
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,sci.physics,sci.math
From: crail@nevada.edu (DONNA CRAIL-RUGOTZKE)
Subject: Re: Barbie is Right! (was: Mattel on women)
Keywords: Targetting females once again??????
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.225937.17398@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>I don't know what all the fuss is about, folks. I think Barbie is right.
>Math class IS hard. And I should be in a position to know, I majored in math.
>I had to really "bust ass" once I became an upperclassman.  If there
>were any "easy math classes," you sure couldn't graduate in my major by
>taking them.

Most of the children who play with Barbies are pre-teen girls, who 
have yet to start talking more advanced math courses (i.e. Algebra, Geometry,
etc.). Many parents do not want their children to have pre-conceived
notions before starting these classes.  If you think a class is going to
be hard, it probably will be.  Also they don't want their children to 
avoid taking classes because "they might be hard."

The other problem is that this toy is directed toward girls. Products
aimed at boys do not have messages like this.  I have heard parents
complaining about not finding "positive" role models for their female
children.  One of my history professors said that she changed the 
gender of the characters in her kid's books just to provide
a female role model.  

In 1988, I wrote my child psychology paper on male and female cartoon
characters.  I found that most of the characters were male. The few  
female cartoon characters that were shown, acted in a steroetypical manner.
One of the cartoons showed a female reporter getting upset about the wind 
"messing-up"her hair.  Hopefully, cartoons have improved since then.

Considering the recent concern over American children's math scores (as
compared with the Japanese), I surprised Mattel would try to market
this doll.  I am also surprised that some politican is not using
Barbie to show how this country is going to "hell-in-a-hand-bag,"
since this is the year for bashing the media.
>
>When Ross Perot tells it like it is, everybody praises his candor. But when
>Barbie does the same, people have a fit. I say that Barbie deserves
>praise for calling a spade a spade, for ending all this facile talk
>about "Suzie's gonna be a doctor, Debbie's gonna be an astronaut." Sure,
>they CAN be those things, provided they're willing to BUST ASS to do
>so, because Barbie is right.

They may praise Perot, but how will they vote?


>
>-- 
>  
>        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
>  
> Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
>


Donna
crail@nevada.edu






Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,sci.math,misc.kids
From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
Subject: Re: Mattel on women
Keywords: Targetting females once again.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:27:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.173414.18001@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:

>Any ideas for nice things a 'Barbie' _could_ actually say about math? 

Anything not negative about math or science would be nice.
Math is fun!  I like science class!  I'm taking math this year.
I have science homework tonight.  Math is interesting!  Science
experiments are exciting!

Or how about: I like my computer!  :)

Now, of Barbie's total repertoire of 200 phrases, we should be
careful to keep the number of math remarks down to about 1 or 2.
The last thing we want to do is turn Barbie into a nerd!

In Barbie Land, math class is just another event to get dressed up 
for, after all.

-S. Schultz
---
NASA sent Barbie up in the Shuttle,
First they fixed her hair into a bubble!          -- Ennui Busters
Xref: sparky soc.men:17511 soc.singles:27341 soc.women:17512 soc.penpals:2752
From: krgjus01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.singles,soc.women,soc.penpals
Subject: Re: MAN LOOKING FOR WOMAN TO CORRESPOND WITH
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:34:39 +0200
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct7.185721.13374@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
> with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
> access.)
> 
> He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
> his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  
> 
> He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.
> 
> If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
> and give you his address.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chris.  :)

Dear Chris

Never mind your brother. What about you ? E-mail me quickly!!!
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,sci.math,misc.kids,soc.singles
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Mattel on women
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:34:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men,soc.singles
Keywords: Targetting females once again.

In article <1992Oct14.220254.10268@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:

)I agree that it is a stigma and I wanted to retell a true story that happened
)to two female classmates of my husband when he was working on his undergraduate
)physics degree.  The two women were in a club near the school and two guys came
)up and started to talk to them.  When the guys asked what their major was the
)girls played hard to get and asked them to guess.  One of them then piped up 
)with "well you aren't nuclear physicists that's for sure."  No they were into
)Quantum Physics.  The ladies just walked away.  :-)
)
)Karen

Note followups:

I have a roughly similar story from the male point of view.  I knew a couple
of guys who liked the 'bar' social scene.  They were fellow Electrical
Engineers, but whenever they talked to a woman at a bar, they always answered
that they were garbage truck drivers when asked what they did, to avoid
scaring them away before they had a chance to talk.  (It also generated a
topic for conversation at the same time - i.e. "No, what do you really do?"
:-)).

Anyway, it's not like being an Engineer was a Cosmic Downer, but at least in
the bar scene it was enough of a negative where these guys felt that they
were better off doing what they were doing.

PS - eventually, these guys got tired of the egineering profession, and
went into technical sales.
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:47:45 GMT

In article <Oct.7.15.04.38.1992.4622@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>
>>In article <Oct.7.09.59.47.1992.1945@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>>>kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <1992Oct6.011133.14186@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>
>>It's a pretty straightforward conclusion from his choice of words,
>>especially his use of pronouns.  His inconsistent attempts at
>>gender-neutrality are about as believable as not inhaling.
>
>So, in the name of men's rights, you are willing to hand this country
>back to George Bush for another reign of terror?  How frighteningly
>narrowminded.

How frighteningly narrowminded it is to condemn a man for thinking of
(or even discussing) men's rights!  I suppose "pro-choice/pro-life" 
positions make little difference to you and wouldn't affect your vote.

How about discussing the issue, since we are on soc.men?  I haven't
seen any reason to think Bush is going to be helpful for men's rights, 
but I have seen great reason to think Clinton is extremely anti-male.
If you think Bush is just hiding it better, that would make for a
more informative topic than personal flames.

Frankly, the terror of Clinton's explicit desire to institute a
"draconian system" is not something to be ignored.

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.men