From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: "*ians" and "paliks" charmingly call "wieneramus" 'our little sponger'.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:58:34 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <721347821@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>   Don't get your panties in a bundle, Ljubicic.

Typical wieneramus. Have you got something around your brain like a 
gummy lump? Millions of Turks and Kurds lost grandfathers, grandmothers, 
aunts and uncles at the hands of Armenian genocide squads, terrorists 
insurgents and dictators trying to establish an independent state 
in an area where the Armenians were in the overwhelming minority. 
When the Ottoman soldiers entered the city of Erzincan they found all
public and Islamic buildings and more than 1,000 houses demolished
by the Armenians.

Hundreds of bodies of Erzincan's Turks were found in the streets,
hundreds more in wells or shallow graves. In other cities the scenes
awaiting the Ottoman soldiers were similar. 400 buildings in Bayburt
had been burned down and hundreds of bodies were in the streets.
Tercan had been completely destroyed by dynamite. In Erzurum, the
greatest city of the east, Ottoman officials estimated that 8,000
Turks had been killed in the city alone. The figure may have been
exaggerated, but the soldiers did count and record each body buried
by them and 2,127 male bodies were buried in the first 8 days.
Out of a sense of decency, the soldiers did not count the female 
bodies buried or report what had happened to them.

The atrocities in the cities were repeated in the villages. On the
Armenian line of retreat the Muslims who could not flee were killed.
Very few houses and no complete villages remained. An Austrian
newspaper reporter, who could not be accused of liking the Russians,
Austria's enemy, stated that the Russians had treated the people of
the region relatively well, but that when Russia collapsed Armenian 
gangs destroyed the Turks. Dr. Stephan Eshnanic traveled the region
and wrote

"I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians
 at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and
 from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed."[1]  

Turkish refugees, the remainder of the original population, who had
been able to remain during the Russian occupation, choked the roads.

[1] Reported to the "Nues Wiener Tagblatt, Prester Lloyd, etc."

   In a speech addressed to the Armenian Congress in Petersburg on May 24,
   Tchalkouchian emphasized the commitment of the Armenians to the Allied
   cause:

"...The French charmingly call us 'our little allies'. It may be that we
 have made a small contribution to the World War. There is no doubt that 
 our status is that of a 'great ally'. The whole of the Armenian nation
 was involved in the war... right from the start, our sympathy was completely
 for the Allied Powers. Among these, Russia, to whom Armenians had been 
 loyal throughout history, came first and foremost."

"The Armenians greeted the Russians with ringing bells and with their 
 priests dressed in their ceremonial robes. In this war, too, the Armenian
 people took their place beside the Russians...The war broke out volunteers
 came from everywhere, from Armenia in Eastern Anatolia, from Egypt under
 Turkish rule, from the non-Russian areas of Rumania; all these people who
 were Ottoman subjects, familiar with Anatolia, gathered together and put
 themselves at the service of the Russian Empire." 

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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