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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <jaeastman-260193094901@jmac.msd.anl.gov>  
jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman) writes:
> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if male reporters are  
allowed into
> the lockerooms of female tennis pros?
> 

I think the answer is no. However, this is not an issue since I
don't think female reporters are either.  The problem for a long
time in baseball and football was that men were allowed and
women weren't.  There are two solutions to this problem: either
both are allowed or neither are.  The latter seems to make more
sense (which is probably why baseball and football picked the former
method).


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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Chances Of Scoring Given Events (Help!)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:45:24 GMT

    I'm currently working on a computer program to calculate certain statistics,
(I don't want everyone to know what I'm working quite yet!) and I needed
certain information:

	a) The chance that a runner will score from second on a single
	   (# of outs irrelevant; an average of all situations is fine,
	    of course this is increased with two outs)
 	b) The chance that a runner will score from first on a double
	   (again, # outs irrelevant)
	c) The chance that a runner will score from third with less than
	   two outs (I think this is around 45-50 percent). Include all
	   singles, Sac Flies etc. This info is usually in the Great
	   American Baseball Stat Book
	d) The chance that a runner will score from third with less than 
	   two out, on an OUT (preferably remove strikeouts). That is, the
	   chance that Player A will drive home playerB from third with
	   one or no outs without getting a hit. Preferably, I'd like to know
	   what the chance that Player A will score Player B by making an
	   out that ISN'T a strikeout. 

						Thanks,
						Gord Niguma
						(fav player: John Olerud)
						niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca



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From: cabanrf@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Destrade ??
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:15:24 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone have the numbers on Destrade from Japan?  Or his minor
league career?  2b, 3b & walks especially needed.

Thanks:


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From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What's up with Pudge??
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:53:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.QfLytND0Bwxd99DFh1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



  Hey, White Sox fans, what's going on between
the White Sox and Pudge Fisk?

  Has he signed or is money the issue again?

  If he's still a free agent, Ted Simmons has
probably been talking to him. We don't have anyone
on the roster over 40.

  Yet.

  Pudge could be a "steadying influence" on the
kids that the Pirates have recently signed.

  Ya' know, Smith, Candeleria, Pena.

  Those kids.

  Aaarrghhhh.

KZ
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will Boston Badger Boggs?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:12 EST
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In article <1993Jan20.203341.13098@athena.mit.edu>, akrao@athena.mit.edu (Arvind K Rao) writes...
>I was at Fenway once when the A's were in town and Willie Wilson
>(despite his drawbacks still an exciting player in my opinion)
>got his 2000 hit sometime in the middle innings.  The fans gave
>him a standing ovation and I was very impressed as I'm from 
>California and am not used to that.  After being here 4+ years
>I'd say Boston fans are very tough but are also very knowledgeable.
>The daily papers have more baseball flamage than any other daily
>I've ever seen.

	Darryl Strawberry's first game back in new York after going
over to the Dodgers, in May 1991, was the day New York Newsday created
their "Darryl-ometer", to measure the amount of boos he received in each
at-bat.  During his first 2 at-bats, he received boos of 7 and 5 strength.
Then, he hit a home run, and got a standing ovation (I was not among them).
After that, he was back to his industrial strength boos.
	Who says New York fans don't respect their players? =)
> 
>Arvind

							Jason A. Miller
							"some doctor guy"
							Back for more fun
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: YANKEE REFLECTIONS ANYONE???
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:28:24 GMT
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan26.143327.20389@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>
>No matter what anybody said, I don't see Ausmus as a real prospect.  I
>don't believe he has shown any signs of having the talent to be a
>major league hitter.  Isn't there another, more highly rated, catching
>prospect in the system?  I forget.  (Have to check those minor-league
>rosters...)  In any case, Nokes' defense *used* to be considered

Kiki Hernandez.  Ausmus is the better thinking catcher, and the better
baserunner, but he will be at best a Joel SKinner type hitter.  Kiki
has the better bat, and is not a Nokes type catcher defensively.

-Mike
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: Re: Cardinals
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:07:10 GMT

In article <81089@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P) writes:
>Assuming the Kruk for Zeile does go down, how would the lineup look?
>
>My guess is this:
>
>2B G. Pena
>SS Ozzie
>1b Kruk
>RF Felix Jose
>CF Lankford
>LF Gilkey
>3b Royer or Woodson
>C Pagnozzi
>P 
>
>Anyone have any thoughts?  This is going to be the year if this trade
>goes down.

The year for WHAT?! Trade or no, the Cards won't beat out Montreal.

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From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Peaks (was Sandberg)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:39:03 GMT

Dave Eisen writes:
>Len Reed responds:
>>Sounds like an interesting topic for off-season arguments.  Okay, as a Red and
>>especially in 1975-76 Joe Morgan was incredible.  Who else makes the top ten?
>>To qualify, we need someone who had a peak well above what one would expect
>>when looking at the rest of the career,

>Or are you asking another question --- "Whose peak was most
>impressive when compared with his career numbers?" Actually this
>is a more interesting question because the answers are not nearly
>as obvious as a top ten peak value list would be.

>And I agree that Mantle and Koufax are good candidates for such
>a list.

If one year is considered "peak", perhaps the ultimate recent example of
someone with a season far exceeding career numbers and even next best season
is Brady Anderson (assuming he is more like the last two months of the
1992 season this year and forever more than like the first 4 months of '92).
I have to find some rationalization for trading him a year ago (in a PTP 
league)  :)

Stephen Jascourt   stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
From: dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers in '93
Date: 24 Jan 1993 14:44:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1jv40bINNrqf@mizar.usc.edu>, genzuk@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Genzuk) writes:
|> With the acquisiton of a number of veteran ballplayers and little help
|> acquired for the bullpen (Worrell still having arm soreness).  It
|> appears that the Dodgers have not done much to improve their chances
|> for climbing from the cellar of the National League West.
|> 
|> I feel they need to make a few dramatic moves to become competitive
|> in the West.  What do you think?  Who should they go after, who should
|> they get rid of (including management)?  I would be most interested in
|> your comments.

First step is easy: get rid of Fred Claire.  Then get rid of Roger McDowell.   
Then spend lots of time with your minor league teams.

This said, I still think the Dodgers will do better than last year.
With all of last year's miscues, they'll be spending lots of time on
fundamentals.  Plus Strawberry and Davis should be spending more time
on the field. 



Daniel
daniel@caldera.usc.edu
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From: nichols@parc.xerox.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:40:27 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC


I've been reading the posts on player value with some interest (or at least
the ones Sherri sends me; that's what makes me ultimate after all).  It
seems what's missing is some idea of why you want the valuation.  Dr. Dave
tried to get at this with use vs. market value.  This is my stab at it.
I'll present various possibilities and commentary on each.

1) Dollar value: what should this guy's salary be?

It's pretty clear that MLB rates the replacement-level player pretty close
to zero, so this seems like a good choice for our zero, too.  Of course,
the real zero is some strange combination of age, minor league replacement
level, and "tools," but that's too hard to deal with and doesn't help us
much.  The important thing to remember here is that the scale is not linear
in playing stats because it's measuring scarcity.

2) Analyzing the past: how much did Stewart contribute to the A's?

Here you have to ask, "compared to what?"  Say the A's had called up some
minor leaguer for one start and he allowed two runs in 7 innings.  Did he
or Stewart contribute more to the A's last year?  Compared to a replacement
level player, Stewart did, because if we replace all of Stewart's starts
with Joe Minorleaguer, the A's would do worse than if we replaced player
X's one start with Joe M.  But compared to a league average pitcher, player
X contributed more, since the A's would get worse if Joe Average replaced X
for his one start, but would improve if Joe A subbed for Stewart in all of
his.

This is sort of why I've never cared much for the after-the-fact stuff.  If
you say, "Without Barry Bonds, the Pirates would have lost 90 games," then
you haven't finished the sentence.  After all, without Bonds and with Babe
Ruth, they would have been fine.

3) Predicting the future: how will team X do next year?

This is what I think most people are after in such discussions.  The
important thing is that you must estimate the playing time along with the
value of the player.  If you add Gary Carter to a team that already has
Johnny Bench, it won't help so much because Gary won't play (they have
Perez at first, after all).

So ultimately, you have to use your favorite GUBS to assign values vi (v
sub i) and projected playing times ti to each player.  Your team projection
is something like sum(vi*ti).  If you add r to each player to move his
value from league-average relative to replacement-level relative, then you
get sum((vi+r)*ti) = sum(vi*ti) + r*sum(ti).  Since r and sum(ti) are going
to be the same for all teams, it doesn't much matter what standard you use.
Of course, if you're not using a linear model, you'll get different
results.

So you're *both* right!  (Don't you just hate people that say that?)

	David Nichols
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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: White Sox schedule online?
Keywords: white sox
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:53:20 GMT

sullis@rs6311.ecs.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) writes:

>  Try this:

>       telnet culine.colorado.edu 862 (128.138.129.83 862)
>       Once connected, enter "help" for further instructions.

>  I'm not sure if it will have the 93 schedules...

no - they dont have 1993 schedules there yet... and I am
growing impatient.  may have to type it in myself?  ug.

::j

     Bastion of truth and justice
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From: aaron@juliet.caltech.edu (Packman, Aaron I.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cardinals
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:07 PST
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In article <81089@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P) writes...
>Assuming the Kruk for Zeile does go down, how would the lineup look?
> 
>My guess is this:
> 
>2B G. Pena
>SS Ozzie
>1b Kruk
>RF Felix Jose
>CF Lankford
>LF Gilkey
>3b Royer or Woodson
>C Pagnozzi
>P 
> 
>Anyone have any thoughts?  This is going to be the year if this trade
>goes down.
> 

Why does this year have to be the year?  This is the kind of thinking that
got us Galarraga.  Let's just keep these guys together--with few exceptions
they've got lots of room to grow.  Besides, the team is in a position to win
AS IS, if some of the youngsters have good years.  There's plenty of talent
here and I see no need to make major modifications.  Think of the lineup we
would've had if things had been handled well:

2b Pena                             Starting Staff:
SS Smith                              Tewksbury
CF Lankford                           Hill
1B Guererro                           Osborne
C  Zeile                              Cormier    
RF Jose                               Olivares/Magrane
3b Royer
LF Gilkey/Thompson

Then when Guererro fades you bring up Brewer (who looks like he can be a
major league hitter) or trade a pitcher for a 1b-man (not Andres Galarraga, 
though!).  Or, heaven forbid, pursue a free agent.  This team would have been
good last year, with the potential to be monstrous in a few years.

But Hill's gone in a useless trade and Zeile's mostly ruined.  To my thinking,
these foolish moves pushed the Cards back by a couple of years, especially
when you consider that Hill and Zeile were two of the furthest along.  Now 
what we really have to wait for is the pitchers to develop.  But I don't think
Torre and Maxvill will be that patient, so the Cards will stay at "good" and
never make it to "great".

Aaron Packman
aaron@caltech.edu
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From: hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto)
Subject: Re: GM Nicknames (was Re: Baines to Baltimore?)
Reply-To: hutto@smtc.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:55:08 GMT

In article <1jmgagINNf9@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) writes:
>In article <1jmch1INN944@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>
>>>>> Ooooo, I like this!  We in Pittsburgh can attest to being Simonized by
>>>>> the latest Bucco signings!
>>>>> 
>>>> Are Phillies Phans being LEEched of their chances of fielding a good team?  
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe they'd rather Duquette out with the Expos up north...
>>>
>>>Did the Blue Jays roster get a real good " Gillicking" in the off season ????
>>>
>>
>>I don't know why you guys are complaining. At least you didn't get Schuerhosed
>>in the playoffs by Jeff Reardon.
>>
>Anyone else think that the Dodgers' plans for future contention are as Claire 
>as mud???
>

    All I know is the Braves starting pitching Schuerholz a lot of promise
    for the next few years.

    All I'll say about the Braves' field manager is that he is no doubt a 
    fine fellow and anyone who would make a pun on his last name is braver 
    than me...
-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:20:55 GMT
 @kovalevskaia.harvard.edu><1993Jan20.214619.15968@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU's message of Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:46:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.214619.15968@Princeton.EDU>, Roger Lustig writes:

> In article <GRABINER.93Jan20140019@kovalevskaia.harvard.edu> grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.125019@IASTATE.EDU>, Thomas M Loughin writes:

>>> But is a firstbaseman who slugs 50 points above average more or less
>>> valuable than a shortstop who does the same (everything else held at
>>> average)?  What about 50 below.  

>>Offensively, the difference is the same; if your shortstop slugs 50
>>points below league average for a shortstop, while your first baseman is
>>50 points above, your team offensive totals will be the same as if both
>>players were league average.  One extra hit provides the same number of
>>runs, no matter who gets it.

> Right -- but your offense is tempered by the fact that you *have* to 
> bat a shortstop and a first baseman in every game.  If your SS hits
> well, you get a bonus that you don't get from having a 1B who hits that 
> well; after all, it's not hard to find a 1B like that.

That's why I said that a shortstop who slugs 50 points better than an
average *shortstop* is as valuable as a first baseman who slugs 50
points better than an average *first baseman*.  If your shortstop and
first baseman both slug .400, the shortstop is a much more valuable
player.

>>only a few people who play first base and can slug .530; there are
>>hundreds who can play first base and slug .300, but none of them have
>>jobs.

> Indeed.  Why does this demand a normal distribution?

It doesn't demand a normal distribution; I simply assumed that the
baseball abilities in the population at large are close to normally
distributed.  In any case, the distribution doesn't matter; I was trying
to explain why the distribution of *major-league* slugging averages is
not normal.

--
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"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
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From: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca (Bo Green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB in Vancouver, B.C. (was Playoffs)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:45:46 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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In <1jk8hdINNk8h@shelley.u.washington.edu> dudgeon@hardy.u.washington.edu (Doug Dudgeon) writes:

>ayim@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) writes:

>>When is Vancouver ever going to get a ML team?!!!? Can some one predict
>>or will the networks see to it that it won't happen.... %-)

>Technically speaking, Vancouver is part of the Mariners' market area, which
>means that Vancouver won't get a franchise, just as Buffalo won't get a
>franchise being so close to Toronto.

>Realistically speaking, few people in B.C., if anyone at all, really cares
>about the Mariners.  I think the only time we see our northern neighbors at
>the Kingdome is when the Blue Jays are in town.  (They are a rather vocal
>bunch.)  But that doesn't matter because the Mariners won't (and can't afford
>to) give up any of their territory.  IMO, they really need to develop a
>stronger regional interest in the team.  Fortunately (for the franchise, maybe
>not for MLB fans in B.C.)), this has been recognized by the Mariners' new
>management, who are trying to increase interest in the team from outside the
>state, specifically in Portland and Vancouver, B.C.  To that end, this year
>the M's will play two exhibition games in Vancouver just prior to opening day.  

>Of course, fielding a competitive team should help the Seattle franchise, too.
>-- 
>Doug Dudgeon                             Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
>dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu        University of Washington, Seattle

>75 days left until Opening Day!


 I would go to a bunch of Mariners games (I used to be a Jay season ticket
 holder) if the M's didn't play in the Kingdome. Build a baseball stadium,
 I will come, and so will my friends. Believe it or not, I had more fun at
 Exhibition Stadium in Toronto than I do at the Kingdome. I'm an outdoor
 baseball fan, I suppose.

 Bo Green
 UBC
 Vancouver
From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU (sam lane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: GM Nicknames (was Re: Baines to Baltimore?)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:38:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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>>> Ooooo, I like this!  We in Pittsburgh can attest to being Simonized by
>>> the latest Bucco signings!
>>> 
>> Are Phillies Phans being LEEched of their chances of fielding a good team?  
>> 
>> Maybe they'd rather Duquette out with the Expos up north...
>
>Did the Blue Jays roster get a real good " Gillicking" in the off season ????
>

I don't know why you guys are complaining. At least you didn't get Schuerhosed
in the playoffs by Jeff Reardon.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sam Lane         ~ If I could just play ping pong...just think of the babes. 
Univ.of Houston  ~ 
Dept.of Chem.Eng.~ Sole member of the Bob Horner fan club.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Moving superstars?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:48:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.182513.13869@bsu-ucs> 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>There was talk of moving Ryno back to third when Griffen got to the
>majors. He was thought to be THAT good. Well anyway Ryno became more
>than just a former MVP, he bacame the premier second baseman in
>history so the Cubs started trying Griffen at shortstop and thirdbase.

I'm curious.  Why should this matter?  Sandberg's defense is good, but
it isn't *that* good.  And it would probably be good at third base
too.  I'd consider moving Sandberg to third to make room for even a
simply good prospect, if that prospect were better suited to 2B than
Sandberg.

I'm not proposing trading Sandberg, or doing anything that might lose
his bat from the lineup.  But if the offensive considerations imply
that you want to be playing Sandberg and X (maybe the Cubs have a good
2B prospect and no 3B prospects), and the defensive considerations
imply that X at 2B and Sandberg at 3B is a stronger defensive
alignment than the other way around, why should it be a big deal?

I wouldn't move a player for a mediocre prospect, since chances are
good that you will be replacing that mediocre prospect in a couple
years anyways.  But if the prospect is good enough to be reasonably
considered a long-term solution, I don't see how Sandberg's skill with
the bat enters into the picture at all...

See Puckett vs Mack for an example of a player that probably *should*
be moved for defensive reasons.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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