From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Death of Canada (Was: Death of America)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>Hey, I didn't put that tax in! (-;  Those socialist Tories took out 
>>the Manufacturer's Tax, put in the GST ... there was a swap ... the
>>two taxes were tied together ... with a clumsy, overnight change.
>
>thank you for changing your mind.  ... now you are trying
>to distance yourself from it.

Not at all!  Check it out" "there was a swap ... the two taxes were
tied together".

>how can they not "pry it loose"? does brian have it sitting in a safe
>at home? isn't this the same government that wrote the bloody bill?

I haven't had a chance to check out the budget process yet; gotta
get elected first! (-;  Then it's off to Dack's for a new pair of
shoes ... without stopping off for gas on the way.

[News Quiz: Can anyone explain what the two parts of at last sentence
mean?]

>>David Stockman wrote something like that in his book about the time he
>>had spent in the Office of Management and Budget.  Ronnie and the gang
>>couldn't figure out what to cut but each made sure that their own ox
>>wasn't gored ... they got out of that one by borrowing ... Dave quit.
>
>that you would quote those two proves my point, n'est-ce pas?
>couldn't have said it better myself. you want me to write *you* 
>in to take care of the deficit?

Oh, that was the Reagan test ... when it was morning in America, they
were going to go in with axes and swords and slash that pork .... it
turned out to be easy talk but a hard walk for them.  Madame Thatcher
found that out, too, but she did relatively more 'cos there was more
fat to cut in the UK (plus, Mags hit muscle and bone sometimes).

>>>so i tell you what. keep your precious universal health care.
>>>but recognize the incredible price you are paying for living
>>>in a socialist country.
>>
>>Fine, let's look at a sample of the federal socialist hit list ...
>>Diefenbaker (Conservative), Pearson (Liberal), Trudeau (Liberal),
>>Clark (Conservative), Mulroney (Conservative) ... and some longtime
>>provincial premiers (3+ terms): Lougheed (Alberta, Conservative),
>>Bourassa (Quebec, Liberal), Davis (Ontario, Conservative), ...
>
>or is your position "20 leading political figures can't be wrong"?
>"4 out of 5 politicians recommend socialism?"
>is that it? that's all ya got? what is this, a toothpaste commercial?
>
>leaving aside the obvious point that i never wrote that list, you did.
>i never claimed all those people were socialists. 

Yes, but you were declaring Canada's "socialism" and I wanted to
illustrate who was influential in bringing about that "socialism".
A lot of Americans and other non-Canadians landing in the middle of
this are probably wondering if we did have 20 or more years of NDP
("Labour") in Ottawa, Quebec City, Toronto, Victoria, etc.  This
list of our most influential political figures suggests otherwise.

>>Omigod -- marxists marxists everywhere! (-; (-; (-;
>and i never equated socialism and marxism. those are all *your* words.

Okay, I didn't realize that you differentiated between the two ...
usually the ultraconservative and libertarian wings don't so far as
I've seen in the past in this forum and elsewheres ...

>>Northern Telecom has not pulled its bluff to move.  In fact, they have
>>stopped making those noises altogether lately ... I never did think
>>that they were serious, but I had my worries when I was working with
>>them ...
>
>i didn't know about that.
>
>that they would even *hint* at it is dangerous enough. do you
>have any idea how bad it would be if they did move? can't you
>see a warning sign even when it smacks you right in the face?

As an insider, we figured that the company was lobbying for tax breaks
and concessions.  It's not unique, nor will they be the last ones ...
It's just that with labs in the U.S. and Canada, and with Varity (it
was formerly Massey-Ferguson) making moves and actually crossing the
border (with less than favourable results, including a couple of key
execs who couldn't get health insurance for themselves or because of
a family member and had to quit), you had to wonder.  Since I left,
NT has scaled down some of its U.S. operations and built up in Europe.

>that the canadian business council came down to harvard business school
>this year to practically *beg* canadian business students to come back
>to canada "because the country needs them", in true socialist fashion?

The Canadian Business Council is socialist?  Then is the Chamber of
Commerce? (-;

>let's try some simple logic here. current canadian fiscal policy
>is *grossly* irresponsible (i dare you to refute it). you are "not
>for such drastic and sweeping changes" as me, when all i want is the
>systematic elimination of the deficit, which *would* be fiscally
>responsible. therefore, as far as i am concerned, you are NOT an
>advocate of fiscal responsibility. simple as that. prove me wrong.

Whoa!  Was I disagreeing with elimination of the deficit?  Not so!

>>for Charles, I'm just a socialist and that's that ...
>
>that's right. you've admitted as much.

Okay, I'll be burning my Wall Street Journal after I finish with
it ... (-;

gld
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