HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 01:14:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>
>>But since you asked (in an earlier post!  Thank any nearby Deity I'm no
>>longer The Most Proficient Poster hereabouts - I was beginning to feel
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>>that everyone would be sick of the sight of my name), yep, I still get
>>lurker-mail.  Last must have been a day or two back.  And I have never
>
>Ahem, should that not be "prolific", Mike?  I'm sure you wouldn't blow
>your own trumpet in that way.

Warning!  Warning!  Error Code #407, consult Reference Manual!

Error code #407: Quality Assurance Circuitry Fuckup.
  Your system suffered a temporary dysfunction in its Damage Limitation
Circuitry, or in the Proofread Or Fry Buffer.  This can be a serious
problem, in which case we send our condolences to your kin.  However, if
you're reading this, it was probably just one of those abberation
thingys best politely forgotten.

Yeah, well.  Thanks, Sara.  It'll be a fine day when computers have
enough Artificial Intelligence to be utterly stupid :-) I give the class
final (which happened a few hours back; since then I've been struggling
through the crosspost shrubbery), and my impending move, as partial
causes (as if you were interested).  I also, much to my un-delight, gave
away my dictionary yesterday.  It just weighs too much to go into my
luggage.  Moving around is highly recommended, but you have to get used
to ditching all the detritus we accumulate over time.  Abandoning a
well-used dictionary is an awful thing, but needs must :-(  (Not that it
would have helped this case any either; can't say I like the taste of my
aging Kangaroos.)

>It's a while since I got any lurker mail, but then I don't post enough
>to get noticed these days (no bad thing I sometimes think, altho I don't
>recall I ever got any really bad mail).  Then, it's a while since I got
>any mail from *you*, Mike, altho I sent you some the other day... <hint>

Hey, hint received; I have a *binload* of unreplied mail.  However, I
just went to check, and I find that should by now have received a
two-page response to your note (sent Dec 17).  You certainly get high
enough priority to break through my lethargy, but apparently the fault
lies in the ether.  I can resend; try dropping me a note if you haven't
heard from me yet.

Of course, you realise you just set me up *perfectly* for dealing with
people I haven't bothered to write to? :-)

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:50:48 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
 <1992Dec20.192301.1250@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Dec21.152115.510@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
 <1992Dec22.141030.16600@thelema.uucp> <92357.110706SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Dec22.173246.4376@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>

In article <1992Dec22.173246.4376@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus
H Rodgers) says:
>
>In <92357.110706SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
>Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>If I may follow up Stella's nifty posting with a little tiny instance of
>>tactical advice; the word 'feminist' tends to make most men defensive.
>                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>I think you mean "offensive". :-)
>
>"Defensive? Defensive like Ghengis Khan." (John Cleese.)
>--
>Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, |  [Profound thought for 1993]
>Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End |     "Philishave is about
>Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 |      personal choice"
>E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk |             -- TV advert

While being prepared to grant your point general validity, I think
I *do* mean defensive; the tactics selected to protect their world
view run from a near audible *clank* as the ears turn off through
'I have to listen to this *very* carefully so I will spot where
it is _wrong_' through all sorts of bombast.

If you want to communicate something, it helps to keep the discourse
away from a kind of fight they other person understands.

(Funny quote?  you want me to think of a funny quote?)

Graydon
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: BI EVENTS 1993 NATIONAL MARCH ON WASHINGTON
Date: 1 Jan 1993 17:05:38 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
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In article <1992Dec21.213357.22033@osf.org> alan@ninja.osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:

>ARRANGE ACCOMODATIONS EARLY!
>
>Hundreds of thousands of people will be in Washington this weekend.
>Don't be left out in the cold!  When you call hotels and travel
>agents, say that you are calling for the special rate for BiNet
>USA, ECBN, and AMBi.  The following hotels have agreed to hold
>rooms for us until the specified dates.  Call Washington DC
>Accomodations at 1-800-554-2200.

For those of you that haven't read it elsewhere, the proper
phone number is 1-800-554-2220.  Just one digit was wrong.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:48:59 EST
From: Len <DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a silly question
 <1993Jan3.130455.11191@news.acns.nwu.edu>

An ex-muffin??? oh dear, I hope that's nothing like an `ex-parrot'!

-El
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
|"I shall surpress my every urge."                                       |
|       -The Tick, when asked to act `normal' when Arthur's sister visits|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe)
Subject: Re: Okay...okay...here is an official demuffin...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:07:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec31.172755.24815@news.cs.brandeis.edu> shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>HI!
>
Howdy, you ex-muffin, you!

><GENERALIZATION ON>  This was the first place I found, where there were
>people who were talking about topics in which I had no experience.
>You let me camp out and watch you play and fight and make up.  You let 
>me see you as people who questioned, people who sometimes were and 
>sometimes weren't comfortable with who you are.<GENERALIZATION OFF>
>
Bi *and* voyeuristic?  I LIKE this one...

> [ lots of encouraging network building experiences deleted... ]

Super.  Just super.

>It was thanks to you that I got to overhear my (extremely, very, etc. 
>conservative) brother say to my mother that I have better taste in 
>women than in men <giggle>.
>

It's times like these when I'm thrilled to be a part of this (dare I
use the word) organisation.  If I may speak for the others here, I'm
glad we were here for you.  And still are.

>Oh, hugs would be welcome...if you are so inclined...
>
Am I ever!  HUG * 10^6.  Welcome home.

                               Steve

-- 
Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
I drank too much beer, then tried to sober up by drinking
too much coffee.  The result was that I was still making
irrational decisions, but I was making them *FAST*!  -me
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From: an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer)
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.bi
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:38:56 GMT

Wow. Wow.  Sorry, excuse me as my mind comes back together.

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
> I don't want any more excuses to hate myself, of course. I am that which
> I am. I am a conservative by temperament. I find myself bi, at least
> intellectually (OK, some phallolatry and admiration of torsos too, but
> I'm not convinced that's enough, especially when bi-hood is defined, as
> it has been here, in terms of emotional involvment, and I'm still seeing
> myself getting close virtually always to women
> [ ... ]
> though maybe I do have the power to change it --- I need incentive though).
> In doing so, I find myself questioning what I'd defaulted with (not
> that that had started this year) --- and it hurts, and I'm kicking and
> screaming, and sometimes I swim across, and sometimes, like apparently
> the last couple of weeks, I turn right back to the familiar banks. I am
> weak, after all. I am that that I am now.

Wow.  Sorry... It's just that this is almost exactly how I feel!  Only
it isn't matters at home, but general stress and other things pushing
me back.

I'm not *conservative*, but I am sort of set in my ways, even though I
see room for improvement.

One thing many people can't understand (the few I've told, all of whom
are supportive) is that I may be what people on this bboard consider
"bi", or I may not.  I don't know, and I'm not in a rush to find out.
I don't feel of it as eliminating repression or something like that;
I'm exploring me, and this is only one of many ways I have and am
doing so.  Mind you, I'm trying to think about it so I don't just put
it in the back of my mind and leave it there.

-"Archer"
 who unfortunately didn't have net access for a while so missed any
and all demuffin hugs that went my way  :(
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Colorado boycott
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.205146.3034@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
>I saw some debate on this on CNN with Sununu representing the
>right, a gay guy representing the left, a white male fundie
>who helped pass the referendum in CO, and a lesbian who is
>backing the boycott....

Y'mean "Crossfire"? I saw the first few minutes of that. But I'd
never heard that "On the left, I'm" Michael Kinsley is gay.
Anyone else want to back this up?

I've pretty much given up on Crossfire. I'm a big Michael Kinsley
fan (I love his column "TRB" in The New Republic), but Crossfire
is just frustrating. Kinsley'll ask the right-wing guest a
question; the right-wing guest stalls or blusters; Kinsley can't
follow it up, because it's John (A Knock-Knock Joke Waiting to
Happen) Sununu's turn to ask the left-wing guest a question. The
left-wing guest stalls or blusters, and it's back to Kinsley. A
lot of posturing (on both sides), and never anything of
substance.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: More words stuff
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:06:50 +0000

	From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)

	In article <BznvL2.F8n@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
	>Tim, Tim; glass houses, dear friend.  "A hysterical... media"?

	Kay, Kay, Kay; you're sweet, you're adorable, and you're wrong.

	"Media" is a collective noun, which may be referenced in the
	singular _or_ the plural, depending on context...

Surely the distinction is that the 'new' meaning of media is mass noun
(whereas 'medium' was a count noun) and it's *still* wrong to use 'A'
as a quantifier?

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Colorado boycott
Organization: as little as possible
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:11:53 GMT

I'm trying to key this is as they're readiing on the CBC Radio News.

Backlash - half-a-dozen major conferences have been cancelled.
 - they didn't say which ones.

Barbara Streisland cancelled.

GLB groups using Colorado as a warning to other states who
might end up with something like CO-2 on the next ballot.

Guess I'll get dressed and go buy a newspaper for details (if any).
Please follow-up if you know more details - thanks

N.

-- 
The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of
a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.  His own
good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.   John Stuart Mill

Nigel Burnett: 78 Normandy Blvd, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4L 3K3 416-690-1834
Send e-mail to nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca or try uunet.ca!kink!kathunk!nigel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Purity
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:07:34 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>Ellen <DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> wrote...
>> ......

>Yikes, another Ellen (makes three now - right?)

>This should lead to some entertaining confusion.
>(No gang, I haven't moved to Canada (yet).  The hot tub and I are still
> in the SF bay area.)

Hey, I'm not going to argue, I'll take all the Ellens I can get...
Geez.. don't tell my mom (Another Ellen) I said that. :)

And El... (Ellen #3 is it), don't get me started on ex-parrots.

-Points.  (Just Points today, that should be more than enough for anyone.)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.193541.21903@ctp.com> sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:

>You know, it might be useful to get that new copy of the FAQ out and posted
>regularly, because I think alot of the lurkers, especially the new ones
>*really* have no clue what is and is not appropriate.  I mean, I *know* alot

OK, try this: "Hi, shelly, are ya lesbian? Write me and I'll send ya
sumpthin."

Appropriate or no? You make the call.

-sh
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: a *bench* of bisexuals?
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:50:08
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu's message of 24 Dec 1992 06:27:01 GMT

In article <1hbl7lINNo8n@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>I have to say that the English have an amazing ability to politely
>>ignore anything they find disturbing....

>...  like America.

Even California, Mike?

(*bite*)

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Questionnaire for HIV-negative people
Keywords: HIV negative AIDS safer sex psychology gay bi
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:47:36 GMT

In article <Bzn32w.Cr2@world.std.com> wij@world.std.com (William I Johnston) writes:
:I have learned that many issues remain unresolved, or are 
:brought forth, by a negative HIV-test.
: 
:For example, although many people report relief at learning that
:they are HIV-negative, there is a wide range of other responses,
:including surprise, disbelief, hope, doubt, guilt, and grief.
: 
:I am writing a book about the social and psychological issues
:that face gay and bisexual men who learn that they are HIV-negative.

Is it just me who's callous and insensitive, or does anyone
else think this is all just getting rather silly?

How about a support group for people who haven't contracted multiple
sclerosis this week?

How about a support group for guilt-ridden Liberals who didn't die
of starvation this week?

How about going out and helping people who *need* help, if that's how
you get your jollies.

"I don't believe it.  Oh no, I haven't got Aids.  Why me?"  Sheesh.  Guilt
like that people can live with, OK?

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-femmes
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:23:58 GMT

(Yes, this is a second followup to the same post.  I'm a math dweeb
at heart, I guess...)


In article <C0549I.Fsw.1@cs.cmu.edu> pooh+@cs.cmu.edu (Will Timmins) writes:
|Well, one person has a simple relationship with hirself.
|Two people have a variety of interactions between them-
|	How does A relate to B? (A->B)
|	How does B relate to A? (B->A)
|	How does the PAIR hold? (A=B)

    This can either be expressed as a single duple or a pair of
duples.  Relationship implies how the people react to each other,
so doing (A,B) by itself is good at abstracting the feelings.  If
you want to express differing levels of emotional feelings between
the people, you can express the relationships as (A->B,B->A), where
x->y refects the emotional attraction by x for y.

    With a simple couple, this might not be important; when other
people are thrown into the mix (like with a triangle), jealousy and
other complications enter into the tangle, and make the attraction
duple a better descriptor of the relationship.

    So a triangle could be described as
    (A->B,B->A)
    (A->C,C->A)
    (B->C,C->B)

    and you won't need the relationship->person interaction duples.

    Think of it as simple vector analysis and relationships - at
least the ones you're not involved in - become quite simple :-)


                 ____  Who's quite likely forgotten all he ever knew
   david parsons \bi/  (BA Maths, 1984) about mathematics, because
                  \/   database whores don't need to think.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:34:15 GMT

In article <BzKzw9.G6J@demon.co.uk>
     gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>Is it just me, or are the lurkers round here getting weirder lately?  I've
>had some pretty strange mail these last few months.  I know the women get
>a lot of straight guys trying to pick up the proverbial hot bi babes, but
>I'm talking about real weirdos...

   Not "weird," per se.  Maybe I'm just developing a short fuse,
(actually, I know I am), but a lot of the email I'm getting nowadays
seems frustrating.  Perhaps it's my .sig, but after three years of
pouring my heart out over the net, it's just a little tiring repeating
myself *yet again* when ever someone with a problem or a fight to pick
comes on-line.

   In the same vein, Graham, I have to ask: How many people think
anon.penet.fi has *ruined* a lot of usenet?  I'm sorry, but I don't
really enjoy dealing with people who hide behind screens.  I'm almost
tempted to killfile the whole site... almost, but not quite.

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Priorities
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:25:47 GMT

In article <BzH9Ho.241F@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.194804.2371@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>In article <BzGy03.1GvM@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>>>That leaves me wondering why you missed the point of the posting.
>>
>>I didn't miss the point of the posting.  I've heard the
>>same "point" over and over and over and over and over and
>>over and over.
>
>Not from me, since I'm new to these parts ..... 
>
>
>>  And what leaves me wondering is why, when
>>someone tells you that she feels excluded and isolated by
>>your choice of language, you say "tough" and go on using
>>the same language.  It speaks volumes about your
>>priorities, even if your reasons for disagreeing with her
>>have any validity whatsoever.
>
...
>Secondly, you're absolutely correct about one thing:  I don't
>think this is a very big priority, in my life.  No, I'm not
>insensitive or boorish or stooopid --> I'm pretty sensitized
>by discrimination (and hence my not-too-subtle allusion to
>my daughters && spousal significant other).  In fact, I don't
>think its a big priority in ANYONE's life - that's why I
>proffered the suggestions I did (i.e., use marketing strategy).
>One way to MAKE it a priority is to make it attractive, etc.

It is such a low priority that The Netherlands altered the Dutch
language to remove gender-bias, officially - what is taught in
schools, what is acceptable for government purposes, and what is
published in journals. Not quite 100% (there are a few stray feminine
forms, and a few stray masculine forms, but even they are noted in my
textbooks as being 'old'). It doesn't require much more, from the
beginning, than a revision of English standards for newspapers, (the
standard manuals changed) magazines, and television. Secondarily, a
change in national guidelines for the teaching of English. It won't
happen overnight, and it doesn't have to be forced down throats. 15
years would be adequate for a turnaround (1 generation).

Our entire treatment of Chinese language in the U.S. was changed in 2
years or so. I think conceptually inclusive treatment of a little over
half the world's population (women) merits higher priority than
phonological treatment of Chinese language. It takes very little on
the part of journals to do so, to begin.

(what an idea: modern literature has 'antiquated' english, while Jane
Austen becomes current usage)
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Liberty
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:35:30 +0000

	>Sigh.  I am not smug.  I do not patronize - I satorize.  I

	In one of Sokrates' favorite Delphic tag lines -- gnothi seauton.
	You are a LONG way from being able to "satorize."

Guys, get it right.  The word round here is 'satyrize'.

G
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From: elc@cup.portal.com (Edward L Cole)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: LesBiGay and Transgender Glossary (long)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 00:14:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Gee thanx...Don't know what I would have done without your help.
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