From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:00:10 GMT
Distribution: aus
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carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
: (a whole lot o' stuff deleted)

: Unfortunatly I may have made my point unclear.  It is far far easier 
: to sample, cut and paste sounds today with modern equipment than it
: was in the past when it involved splicing magnetic tape (ever done it?
: it's bloody hard to get right, and if you fuck up, no easy restart)

	Yes.
	And the standard approach is to run off copys of the
desired bits for mixing from the master to another tape which
is then cut and taped.  It is quite easy to cover for "fuck ups"
by recopying the desired bit.  Or better yet by anticipating where
problems may occur and doing a few tapes of that bit.
	Now in theory anyone could do this.  But in practise only
experienced and talented people do much of it to much sucess;  which
is exactly the same as the modern sample and sequence methods.
	Do you think artists are anyless talented because they
use paint brushes rather than the clumsy sticks their predicessors
used.
	The new equipment allows for new possibiliites - it still
requires talent, care, and effort.

: 
: I have *never* said that it's easy to get a sequencer to "a good groove",
: but it's a damn site easier than getting a drummer, bass player,
: one or 2 (or more) guitarists etc to synchronise, there are so many more
: variables, called human beings, to control.  Also, human timing is
: never perfect, which is why human drummers sound so much warmer than
: plastic drums.  It's the little errors that give the music its character
: (IMHO, of course)

	Oh dear.
	It takes us (me and four others) prox 30mins to do a semi reasonable
band track using instruments.  And about 10 times that to do it on computer.
I don't think the computer is a time saver - it just allows for extra things.
eg very late in the day changes of mind.  This extra power costs you in effort
and time.
	Have a good listen to the add on telly which uses "I'm too sexy"
to see how computers can be out of time.
	Have a listen to Beastie Boys to get the idea of how human warmth
and sequencing can be combined.
	But it is hard as hell to do.  Thats why sequencing is so hard.
If you set up a band - a few little variables (mistakes etc) easly turn
a fairly boring structure into something good.  However on computer you
have just a perfect boring structure - which is not easily converted to
the afore mentioned.

: 
: I see sequenced music as the automatic transmission of music,  but 
: I've got much more respect for the driver who can change gears ...
: 
: 

	I hope you still eat with your hands, and
haven't sucumbed to the "automatic transmission" of eating
the knife and fork.

: >
: >	I think it probably ranks up there with the 
: >		"my kid cold painted that"
: >	response to a non-photographic peice of art.
: 
: yeah, but could he explain it?
: 
: ob quote, Rick from the Young Ones:
: 
: The only reason that you don't understand our music is because you
: don't like it 
: 

	oh
	did you read this while typing it
	if not have a look now.

: 
: 
:  Annal  Natrach, Usthvah Spethed,         carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (IRC: Bleve)
:  Dochoel Dienve                           carl@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
: 					  carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU
:  Merlin, where are you?  Call your dragon, to weave a mist...

	in mythology (or wasnt that a serious question)

	

	stop bagging new instruments and methods.
	I guess you used to tell drummer jokes before
you had sequencers to laugh at.

		Colin