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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Wildcard Teams to the Super Bowl
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:59:32 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec19.220911.17711@europa.asd.contel.com> ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com writes:
>In article 3267@galileo.cc.rochester.edu,  jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh) writes:
>>In <1992Dec19.190922.35540@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>Well, why don't you tell us...  How many times has it happened that the
>>>#5 and #6 teams both made it all the way through to the championship game??
>>>What is the probability of it occuring???
>>
>>answer... never...
>
>The answer to that specific question (#5 amd #6 WC teams to the conference
>championship game) is correct, as this format is only in its third year and
>the last two years of conference championship games have been:
>
>   1990  NFC  NY Giants (Div #2)  at San Francisco (Div #1)
>         AFC  LA Raiders (Div #2) at Buffalo (Div #1)
>   1991  NFC  Detroit (Div #2)    at Washington (Div #1)
>         AFC  Denver (Div #2)     at Buffalo (Div #1)
>
>>i do not believe a wild card team has EVER made it to the superbowl...
>
>Now, THIS statement is incorrect ...
>
>>this would immediately disqualify a championship game between two
>>wildcards... but i could be wrong on that... i don't know for sure if
>>a wild card team has made it to the superbowl... i remember hearing a
>>couple years ago that no AFC wildcard team has ever made it to the
>>superbowl... but i am not so sure about the nfc...
>>
>>jason
>
>Actually, the first team to make it to the Super Bowl as a wildcard team
>was the (then) Oakland Raiders, having hosted the Houston Oilers in the
>WC game in 1980.  They went on to win in Cleveland and San Diego to earn
>the right to play the Philadelphia Eagles in SB 15 ... and hey, they even
>beat the Eagles, thus making them the first WC team to **WIN** a Super Bowl.

Actually, you're both wrong. The 1975 comeback Cowboys made it to the Super 
Bowl as a wildcard team back in a "rebuilding year" with Roger the Dodger 
at the helm... 

-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
Whenever the fates hear someone say, "It can't get any worse than this..." 
They just laugh and double your misery! 


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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Montana's dramatic comeback - not!
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:48:50 GMT

Hey, is it just me or would anyone else like to see Jerry Ball or
someone behead Joe Montana on his "dramatic" comeback? I'm sorry,
but I think my grandmother could throw for 300 yards in the 49er
system.



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From: jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Re: PACKERS - REDSKINS WILDCARD CHANCES
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:16:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.232153.11722@doug.cae.wisc.edu> burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger) writes:
>Ok, so the Eagles are definitely in, but who gets the last wildcard if:
>Packers win, Washington wins, and Eagles loose next week? 

Eagles lose to the hapless Giants at home?  Not....


-jg (jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
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From: cpg@caribbean.bellcore.com (Curt Goedde)
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:27:41 GMT

In article <28893@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
|>     This may sound like heresy, but how about Tom Landry? I admit he
|> was misguided for a few years by stooping so low as to be affiliated
|> with the Cowpies, but heck, he is a former N.Y. Giant. That should count
|> for something! Don't bitch about his age. He couldn't be older than
|> Marv Levy of the Bills.

    Please lets not use Marv Levy as a gauge for determining the next coach!
    How about Buddy?

-- 
Curt Goedde                    |    Bell Communications Research
cpg@caribbean.bellcore.com     |    Piscataway, NJ
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:05:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfERPQm00WDKIGYY4G
	<UfEE4B200WDKMFlnRt@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 Re: Dan Reeves
is gone! Vernon H Harmon@andrew.c (769)

> what the hell is all this crap about Reeves going to Seattle?!? Flores
> just started this year and the only thing he was lacking was an offense,
> why the hell would they fire *him*!?!?! Geez, just because a team has a
> losing record, it doesn't mean the coach is gonna get fired!

yes, yes, I know. I have been reminded that Flores was only the interim
coach. I feel really stupid now, so you folks can stop reminding me of
it. ;D

Now that that's out of the way, I really can't see Reeves going anywhere
*other* than Seattle! It would be the perfect move for both Flores *and*
Reeves, of course, there's always the chance that they don't like each
other due to their "history" in the AFC West.....

What's the word up in Seattle, folks?

--Vernon.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: denver vs. seattle
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:41:33 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



anyone notice the "strange" play clock usage in the denver vs. seattle game?
like the 53 seconds denver got after the end of a play during their last
possesion?  or the "amazing" amount of time it took for gelbaugh to throw
an incompletion ????

not a flame but i thought the hawks were screwed over by the timekeepers.


satish nair
giants (6-10 in '92)
From: pueschgj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: VIKINGS DEFENSE #1
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:22:18 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

 Minnesota has one of the  best defenses in the league
Its because of their defense they are 10-5 right now.
The Vikings almost count on the defense to score once a game
its good to be able to count on your defense when  your offense sucks.
The Vikings Defense will carry them  to the Superbowl!

-------Gordylocks_____
(p.s.I almost became a packer fan this last sunday, the vikes have aweight
lifted off their shoulders, now its time to kick ass and take names)
From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: UPDATES - Early scores
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:08:44 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1992Dec27.212846.2259@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>New Orleans  20		NY Jets   0 * FINAL SATURDAY
>LA Raiders  21			Washington  20 * FINAL SATURDAY
>Green Bay  7			Minnesota  27  * FINAL
>NY Giants  10			Philadelphia   20  * FINAL
>Cleveland  13			Pittsburgh  23  * FINAL 
>Denver  20			Kansas City  42  * FINAL
>Indianapolis  21		Cincinnati  17  * FINAL
>Miami  16				New England  13  **OT FINAL
> Aren't the FISH the luckiest team alive. :-)

Yes, they are.  At least this year.  But what goes around...

Thank you, Houston. 
Thank you, New England.
Thank you, Don Shula.

Curt
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions

-- 
Curt Fennell, Unix Sys Admin, GTE Labs    EMAIL: chf0@gte.com
==============================================================
"With Mr. Lawrence, mercy is a passion. With me it is merely
good manners.  You, yourself may judge which is more reliable"
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Newsome's 84 yard punt
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:44:19 GMT

In Sunday's Vike-Steeler game, Harry Newsome of the Vikings had an 84 yard
punt. I wasn't able to see a replay of the punt, and I am wondering if anyone
knows on which yard line the ball first hit the ground? I know it rolled for a
few yards, but I was under the impression that it may have been in the air for
nearly 70 yds.

In any event, it was not a bad punt for being outdoors on a cold day.

Thanks.
-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: eagles/giants this sunday. telecast in florida??
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am going to be in florida this coming weekend.
i wanted to know whether the eagles/giants game is being telecast
live in orlando, FL area this coming sunday.

-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
GO EAGLES....
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From: stassin@gumbo (Shannon C. Tassin (USDA) )
Subject: Miami Dolphin Theme Song
Keywords: miami,dolphins
Organization: Louisiana State University
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12013]: gumbo.age.lsu.edu
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:34:57 GMT

I am a big dolphin fan and want to get a copy of the song played when Miami
scores, etc... I can only hear part of it when the network usually returns
from the commercial break.  Can anyone possibly tell me the name of the song,
and where I can get it from?

Shannon C. Tassin
stassin@gumbo.age.lsu.edu


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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: Re: Giants Coach - Boyz fans read too
Organization: Micom Communications Corp.
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:06:41 GMT

<Adriene_Nazaretian.82.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> writes

> The best part about this is that Dallas, being NFC East also, will lose 
> their d-coord to US!!!!!  Inter division rival.

i think the cowboys will live.  (see reeves, dan; ditka, mike; shula, dave) 

> Later All,
> Adriene the Happiest Giants fan in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

glad we could help.

james


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From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob (Get a life)
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:04:16 GMT



    Hey, I'll admit that I may have said things that were pro-Packer
and hence
    appeared to be ruthless Viking attacks, but they weren't. I said what I
    believed - that the Packers are a better team than the Vikes. I still believe
    that. Yesterday, as I sat in the dome til the very end, I saw that Vikings
    played better than us and based upon that days performance, deserved to win.
    However, based on the season, I still believe that the Packers are a better
    team. There are a lot of teams in the NFL I don't care for, but I know that
    they are better than the Packers, the Vikings just aren't one of them. I don't
    say that as a slam, I say that because its what I believe. Hey, if the Vikings
    win the Superbowl, that may change.

Now here's some good logic for you, as good as I believe that 

a: Bush is the best president that we ever had - it was a sheer fluke
   than Clinton won.
b: The Edsel is a darn good car.


Face it, once may be a fluke, but two wins, and an 11-5 vs. 9-7 record
would generally mean that the winning team was better. So maybe the
Pack beat more "quality" teams. That just means that they couldn't get up
for the poorer teams. Face it, most of the wins that a playoff team gets
come against these "inferior" teams. The teams that can win the games they
are supposed to will go a long way.

As for apologies, rude fans, etc. Get real. Does anyone other than you really
care? You'll see some jerks wherever you go. You'll also get some good-natured
ribbing. I feel sorry for you if this ruins your life, or anyone else's, that
you have so little to do outside of this, that you feel that you must be
the defender of the good Pack fans, or whatever team you root for. Just 
remember, no matter how hard you root, it means diddly, as these guys get
a paycheck either way. Remember, this is supposed to be entertainment, it's
sort of like a melo-drama...
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu	rory@foopub.tucson.az.us
You want me to upgrade to System what?

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: point differential (Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:36:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec31.021741.21014@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.013010.6631@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>Now where it really gets interesting:
>>
>>San Francisco:	195 PF-PA
>>Dallas:	166
>>New Orleans:	128
>>Minnesota:	125
>>
>>This, to me, is probably the most useful single stat before one gets
>>into the headache of correcting for schedule difficulty.  What it shows
>>is that the Niners more dominate their opponents as a complete team than
>>anyone else, and by a wide margin at that.  Dallas is a distant second,
>>with NO and Minn. even more-distant thirds.  The AFC teams are mostly
>>also-rans in this.
>>
>>What's really interesting is that it at first glance appears to have a
>>remarkably high correlation coefficient with winning percentage.  
>
>PF-PA always has a high correlation with winning. In baseball, 
>there is the well-known Pythorean (sp?) estimate. Take the runs for
>minus runs against, do some calculations, and you can figure out the 
>winning percentage of the team (within 4-5 Ws).
>
>The correlation also works for basketball and hockey, although not
>as formal as baseball, probably because baseball has a larger sample
>space in games played.

Well, when you think about it, it makes perfect sense.  When you win
14 of 16 games, it means, quite simply, that you have scored more points
than your opponents.  It is a circular correlation.  Because you score more
points than your opponent you win more, which increases your point differential
which in turn points to more wins...  

In hockey, I think the number of points scored is too low to get as good a
correlation, while in basketball the spreads are too great (points scored too
high).  Baseball is a better indicator...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MVP
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:31:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"

<1992Dec25.155649.14496@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor):
><1992Dec24.214835.9201@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) :
>>And that's what I was referring to.  There is a lot of talk about who
>>should be the league's MVP and Young's name pops up.  I think he's a fine
>>QB and valuable to his team, but...  If he gets hurt what happens?  Gee, I
>>guess they'd have to use Bono (a qb that would a "starting QB anywhere
>>else"), or <gasp> Montana (whom some believe to be the greatest QB ever).
>>It doesn't even sound to me like Young is the best QB on his own team, how
>>could he be the MVP of the league?

>How isn't Young the best QB on his own team in 1992? You mean Bono plays
>a better QB in 1992? or Montana plays the position better in 1992?

Depends on who you talk to.  I'm not saying he's not the best this year.
I'm saying that, depending on who you talk to, there are others who think
that the other two QBs are just as good if not better.

>Oh, you mean since Montana is the greatest QB ever, then he has to be the
>MVP in his own team every year from now on regardless of how many games
>he actually plays?

Well, I'm impressed that you can be so dense.  Does it come naturally or
do you need to really work at it?


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:09:54 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MNF: Joey's Return

Well, next week on MNF, Montana is supposed to return, at least
according to Siefert at halftime of tonight's game, to play a few
quarters if not more. I have mixed feelings about this:
I can't decide if I want to see them get crushed next week or
win big and have them start Montana in the playoffs and get
crushed there instead.

After some thought, I think I'd like to see Montana come up big
on Monday night, start in the playoffs and throw about 6 inter-
ceptions in their first playoff game. I'd wish for him to get
crushed personally, but:
1) that's really mean-spirited, and while he's an asshole, wishing
injury on someone is reserved for criminals and people who have
personally injured me.
2) if he has a really bad game but gets injured, we're back to
square one again with all the hype about when he'll eventually
return.

NOTE: for those who don't already know, or haven't figured
out by now, I respect Montana's abilities but DESPISE the
s.o.b. due to his (lack of) character.

I don't think I'd even mind the Niners winning another SB if
Joey was getting crushed and Young or Bono pulled their fat
from the fire.

Am I the only one who got sick at the way the MNF bozos
were fawning over Montana and "eagerly anticipating"
next week's game just so they could see him on the field
again? *gack* I think I'm gonna hurl.

--Vernon.
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:51:54 GMT

gr> Gary Rosen
hw> Holly Wise
gs> Gary Strand

gs> If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
    don't deserve to be in the NFL.

hw> Any team can have an off day.  

gs> Not according to M. Gloria.

gr> What about the "dickhead" (yours truly :^))?

  I don't know. Are teams favored by 20.5 supposed to win by only 7?

gs> Oh, yes, one other thing -- he completely fails to give any credit to the
    winning team.

gr> Neither do you, when it's the 'Niners.

  Pshaw. Prove that I never have given credit to the Niners. I've barely even
  commented on them this year.

gr> In your own words, the 'Niners "don't belong in the league".

  I was merely using the Gloria system for determining which teams belong and
  which don't.

gr> Of course it was incredibly illogical of John to suggest that the Falcons
    stink merely because several different teams have blown them out this year.

  Are we talking the Falcons or the Niners, or you or Gloria? Make up your
  mind. Yes, the Falcons stink. The Buccanneers stink. At least Dallas covered
  the spread handily.

hw> Gary, you sound like an anti-niner whiner!

gr> You sure got that right, Holly! :^)

  Like I said, I'm a anti-niner-whiner. You guys still have a long ways to go
  to come back from last year's flood of whining. I've never seen anything so
  pathetic. Apparently, unless SF is in the Super Bowl, something is wrong
  with the NFL. Nuts to that attitude!

  BTW, do you give any credit to the Bills?

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coach of the Year nominees
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:54:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfDgvV_00WDK8CJ3cu
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 23-Dec-92 Coach of the
Year nominees istre@ricevm1.rice.edu (830)

> Well it is time for name the Coach of the Year. I will go ahead and cast
> my personal choices. Some of you may agree and most of you will disagree
> but what the hell, they are MY choices.
>  
> AFC - Bill Cowher(sp?), Pittsburgh Steelers.
>  
>       He took a team that many figured would be rebuilding and won the
>       division. His Steeler team reminded me (an Oiler fan) of many of
>       the great Steeler teams of the '70's.
 
While I think Cowher did a great job, I think it's tough call between
him and Bobby Ross. The Steelers really fell through badly on some big
games while the Chargers have finally managed to turn around their
ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The 'Bolts' end of
the season run was made even better by their division dominance--winning
in the King Dome and sweeping both the Seahawks and the Raiders. The
only division team San Diego didn't beat at least once was KC, and
they're getting a third try next Saturday. I really think that Bobby
Ross should get both AFC and NFL COTY honors, especially if they can
beat KC next weekend.

> NFC - Mike Holmgren, Green Bay Packers.
>  
>       His Packer team has made the playoffs, but more importantly, they
>       have made many accomplishments not done since the Lombardi era.
>       Packer fans have in my opinion, been a hardy, 'stand-by-their-team'
>       bunch, but I am sure they must be very excited up there.

no, they're *NOT* in the playoffs, but they should be. This is another
tough call, but NFC COTY honors should go to either Holmgren or Green. I
think the Pack had a bigger turn-around, so I'd give the honors to
Holmgren.

--Vernon.
From: rgbrib@husc8.harvard.edu (Raider Rick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: *sigh* Future Raider QB Prospects?
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:36:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec29.143620.18886
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Originator: rgbrib@husc8.harvard.edu

Insert sobs here ------->(         )

Ok, the seasons over, does anyone have a clue as to who the Raiders are
going to go after to fill the QB position?  And does anyone know when and
if Art & Al are going to send Jay 'I got beaten really bad by the ugly
stick' Schroeder and the Cocaine Kid aka Todd Marinovich away for a LONG
time?  

Everyone seems to agree that the Raiders simply need a QB. Thank the gods
for Ronnie Lott.  I know I'm rambling but hey, what can I do...

Rick  <----- The Only Person in Boston who wears Raider paraphenalia
	     (sp?) and actually FOLLOWS the team!

PS.  To all you Packer fans, you're welcome......*snicker* *snicker*
From: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BEST FACIAL EXPRESSIONS O
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Odyssey BBS - Garrettsville, OH - 216-527-2186
Reply-To: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 

-> So what happens?  The Steelers get the Browns QB [sorry, it's late
-> and my brain is gone, Bernie's backup] to FUMBLE!  So they hand it to
-> Barry twice, and voila, 100 yards.

The Steelers will pay for this next year.  As the NBC announcers said,
the Browns will not forget this - running Foster with less than a minute
to go instead of Bubby kneeling down.  IMHO, that was a class-less move
just so Foster could look better in the stats.

Steve Leu  Internet: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us
                  
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