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From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: Werewolf
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:33:15 GMT
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>>>>> "PAB" == Patrick Andrew Barnes
>>>>> <Patrick_Andrew_Barnes@cup.portal.com> writes:

PAB> Are there different types of werewolves?  Are there various
PAB> abilities that characters can acquire to set them apart from the
PAB> other werewolves or are characters only different in skills and
PAB> stats?

Oh, most certainly. First, there are three "species" of Garou: those
born of Lupus (wolves), Homids (humans), and Metis (the offspring of
incestuous Garou--all Garou consider themselves brothers and sisters,
sex between two Garou is very wrong). A Garou's parentage and early
life will shape the core of his personality. Then, there are thirteen
[known] tribes, each with its own ideals and specialties. Some are
warriors, others are wanderers, some delve more deeply into their
spiritualism then others, two tribes have gone urban in the fight
against the Wyrm, etc. Then, each Garou can tie his nature to one of
the five Auspices of Luna: trickster (new), thinker (crescent),
mediator (half), bard (gibbous), warrior (full). A Garou's parentage,
tribe and Auspice determine his starting Willpower, Rage, Gnosis,
background points and what they can be spent on, and what Gifts he
posesses.

The gifts are the really distinctive things. Much like the Kindred's
Disciplines, the Gifts are spiritual powers and abilities granted by
the Garou's Totems. And there are far too many of them for me to
detail here.

--Rat

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From: CX6L <CX6L@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: GURPS: Knockback
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:36:02 GMT

In article <38062@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike) writes:
>In article <3610@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall) writes:
>>
>><u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au> writes:
>> > In my last gaming session, I was involved in a high-tech gunfight, and
>> > the question came up of how much knockback a laser gun should do.  I voted
>> > 'practically none', since the momentum of a laser shot is practically zero.
>
> Well, the problem is that GURPS isn't crazy enough to
>provide knockback rules for every different type of weapons, etc,
>and so the existing ones fail in certain situations.  [Ditto the
>above for flamethrowers, say, or radiation damage...]
> 
>>I wonder about this. The laser is going to vaporize a portion of the target,
>>producing a gaseous eruption in the direction of the original weapon. This
>>eruption should produce some sort of knockback effect, even if it is only a
>>small amount. AN ultraviolet laser could even produce a significant amount of
>>knockback, depending on the amount of energy involved.
>>--
>> Bob Hall,                 | "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
>> Workstation Peripheral    | Then give up. No use being a damn fool about it."
>> Boeing Computer Services  |                                     -Groucho Marx
>
> I'd vote that unless the laser was incredibly powerful,
>knockBACK won't have enough of an effect.  A powerful laser hit
>could very well knock someone DOWN, though, and the existing rules
>work fine for that, I believe.
> [or you can just ignore both...my gamers haven't complained
>as of yet...or maybe they just haven't read that section!]
> Same question applies for modern-day weapons.  Should an
>AK-47 really be allowed to throw someone back YARDS?  Not really,
>unless you're playing mega-cinematic games, but GURPS says,
>"Sure...whammo...Buck is tossed into the wall across the room."  I
>think that most players and GM's are intelligent enough to figure
>that this is unrealistic, though.
>.
Actually, only cutting and crushing attacks do knocback!
since a laser is an impaling attack, it does not do any
knockback, no matter what its wavelength. That ruling on
knockback is straight from the Basic Set, BTW.

-From the Most Holy Keyboard of:
     Dr Manfred Kromm, Reverend of the Temple of the Squid God,
Professor of Quantum Parapsychology.
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Matriarchal Societies...Fact or Fiction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:29:44 GMT

viktor@mks.com (Viktor Haag) writes:

>In article <BuIyHB.2HL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
>>Oh, I don't think anyone is running in fear of them. However, I 
>>must point out that since most matriarchal societies were/are 
>>based on agriculture and a cyclical view of the universe, the
>>allowance for social and intellectual change was minimal. Yes,
>>the modern society, descended from a patriarchal beginning, 
>>still has some faults, but I think we all consider it better
>>than rutting around in the dirt with sticks. If you want a
>>more eloquent argument on the subject, check Sam Keene's
>>"A fire in the belly".             

>Oh, Yes!  I think we can all agree that the expansion of the city state
>through armed agression, the perpetration of oppressive economic 
>class based systems upon the uneducated majority, the 
>inculcation of state-church partnerships remain obvious advantages
>when faced with the horribly brutal life of the average _primitive_
>society.  I mean after all, we civilised euro-caucasians can stand
>proudly and declare our obviously greater intelligences, moral
>fibre, and proximity to heaven ...
>This not to mention the wonderful advances we have made in conservation
>of natural resources, and husbandry of our own environment, et al.

Oh, yes, the patriarchal system is the perpetrator of all evils,
and it's all a plot by eurocaucasian males to destroy the planet.
No females or non eurocaucasians participate in our consumer based
economy, they have all moved to small plots of land in the Congo
to exist minimally. The point I'm making (or at least trying to)
is that not everything created by western culture is evil (Should
we destroy the Sistine Chapel because it's a relic of patriarchy?
Are computers evil tools of the partriarchy? Is modern medicine
an evil thing?) nor are those members of our society who are
not eurocaucasian males any less responsible for the condition
of our planet and its inhabitants. Of course, we can all sit
on our hands and claim how we've been victimized by society
and western culture, or we might just try and save this planet
before it goes down for the count. What we have here is people
in a burning house pointing fingers about who started the fire.

Axly
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc
From: kabreuer@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Breuer)
Subject: BTech: Finally a Working ARchive for the MS-DOS Game!!
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Distribution: rec.games.frp.misc
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:00:17 GMT


Hi!

Finally, Finally, I found out what was corrupting the Archive -
seems that Kermit will screw up even if you do set the file
type to binary.

I have now uploaded the file mech02b.zip, and downloaded it again
and guess what: it actually worked!

(Oh my poor Nerves, I promise you a long holiday after this :)

Just some notes on the game:

a) Don't use any FASCAM Ammo (Thunder LRM and Arrow IV Minefield) as
   I put the newest .EXE file in the archive this morning and forgot
   to add the sprites for the mines...
b) I have temporarily disabled the titlescreen display for
   MechWar.Exe, but you can have a look at the .GIF file in
   the archive (TITLE.GIF). Don't laugh, these titles are my first
    attempts at computer art... :-)
c) The game (keep remembering, it's a Beta) won't crash anymore when
   a building turns to rubble...

So: ftp mech02b.zip from 131.188.1.43 in /pub/pc/incoming  and
tell me what you think...

Ciao,
Klaus

BTW: Please bear with me if I can't answer you email immediately - we
     seem to have a problem with our mailer...
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc
From: v054p8yx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel J Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:44:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep9.124916.21584@access.digex.com>, buffalo@access.digex.com (Andy Bartalone) writes...
> 
>This one is going to get me in trouble..... but you asked for a 
>truly martriarcal society ..........
> 
>shall I introduce the last two years of the Reagan administration.
 i used to have a friend who made those sort of jokes, he couldn't point out 
 why such jokes were meant to be funny or what was wrong with Reagan. (if you 
 really do have an opinion you and i can take it elsewhere this is 
	rec.games.frp) 
> 
>but on a more serious note..... the celts werent matriarcal but they
>certainly were very balanced..... 
> 
>But I do agree with the statement questioning whether we would be
>able to recognize a Mat. society or not....we havent been exposed to
>it enough to do so unless it smacked us in the face ( i.e. Amazon)
> 
> 
>Andy Bartalone
> 
>-- 
>buffalo@digex.com		"...she had that nightclub walk that made grown
>				 men feel underage...."

IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO KNOWS THE NAME OF THIS WOMAN'S ROLE PLAYING GAME?

ARE WE EVER GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS??

OR ARE WE GOING TO BE FORCED TO LISTEN THIS DISCUSSION OF MATRIARCHAL SOCIETIES
AND HOW WOMEN GAMERS ARE BETTER THAN MEN?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER COULD YOU PLEASE CHANGE THE HEADER?
I would like to find out about the game refered to in the header 
not your view of the perfect society

	thanx for your support
			dan

i play rpg's to vent my frustrations, i find this is best accomplished by 
lopping off heads, if you do not want me to play this way would you volunteer 
you head?
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,alt.feminism,rec.games.frp.misc
From: billie@camelot.bradley.edu (Eliot Frick)
Subject: Re: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:16:04 GMT

In <1992Sep10.154907.9340@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

[report on PBS special deleted]

>Odds are that this tribe is either the Tchambuli or the Effete.  These 
>are the two tribes studied by Margaret Mead and used by many as evidence 
>that masculine and feminine roles are results of nurture not nature.  In 
>a review of _The Inevitability of Patriarchy_, Margaret Mead writes:

>"It is true, as Professor Goldberg points out, that all the claims so 
>glibly made about societies ruled by women are nonsense.  We have no 
>reason to believe that they ever existed....  Men have always been the 
>leaders in public affairs and the final authorities at home."

Recently on TDC (The Discovery Channel), I saw a controversial show entitled
_Brain Sex_.  It documented the findings of several enlightened
researchers, (of whom their names alude me pressently), who would argue
that gender roles are in fact a product of a combination of nurture and
nature.  Perhaps one of the most interesting findings delt with sexual
preference, and affiliation.  There were suggestions that these states of
being are instituted by key events in the hormonal structure of the mother
durring gestation.  If this structure, as it were, came under stress to
throw it out of balance, the development of the fetus could be altered to
such an extreme that the social behavior of the fetus (through it entire life),
could be affected, ie. Homosexuality, Transexuality, etc.  

As I have absolutly no background in medicine, please don't flame my
naivety.  I am just trying to recall the show to the best of my feeble
ability.
--
"Hampton, this is the 90's.  Take out a loan and buy a clue."  -Plucky
"Rock band auditions today: Must be able to play 3 chords and grimace
musically.  See Steve Dallas."
billie@camelot.bradley.edu
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From: mmoss@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu (Matthew D Moss)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: RM: How about this spell?
Keywords: Chaotic Lord, RMCIII
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:47:36 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Originator: mmoss@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu


Ok, I was helping someone generate a Chaotic Lord character
yesterday, and we went and got him his first Chaotic armor.

After glancing at the spell again, I realized: nowhere does
it say that this spell only works on the caster. In fact, the
range is 10 feet.

This being a first level spell (at least for type I demons) 
seems pretty deadly to lower level adversaries. Of course, the
Chaotic Lord and anyone else nearby then has to deal with the
demon, but OUCH to the person who is a target of this spell.

Any comments?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matthew David Moss				mmoss@ic.sunysb.edu
	"Chaos is fun. Order is for those       mmoss@ccmail.sunysb.edu
         don't know where there things are."
Xref: sparky rec.games.frp:25106 rec.games.frp.misc:5155 alt.feminism:843
From: jacobus@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:11:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University



Okay, it's started.  Will someone please give me a complete citation which
proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the following are true:


Matriarchical societies exist today.  I want to know where they are.

Matriarchical societies have existed within recorded history (I discount ANY
pronouncements about non-recorded history--it's all bald-faced conjecture,
no matter what it may purport to be.)

Celtic societies were matriarchical.


Note, I want evidence.  I don't want "I KNOW that it's true".  I also would
look quite askance at any attempt to steer me to a single book which purports
to "answer" all of the above questions.  It's been my experience that, the
more sweeping a work is in the questions it claims to answer, the more likely
that it's a piece of shoddy speculation. 


I am neither stating that any of the above three things I want information on
are true nor nor am I stating that they are untrue.  I would just like to see
some solid scholarship rather than hearsay.
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
From: bell@monet.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:40:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.frp
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Sep11.220300.19664@oswego.Oswego.EDU> scheider@oswego.Oswego.EDU (cat) writes:
>           Cat, the Mystical Divinity of Unashamed Felinity
>Oh if people only knew how DULL it was to live in sin!...

That's because cats generally choose vanity or sloth for their sin to
live in...

   -Andrew Bell
bell@cs.unc.edu



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From: scheider@Oswego.EDU (Linda Scheiderich)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: scheider@oswego.Oswego.EDU (cat)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

Cat makes a big show of lugging an industrial-size "flame thrower of
munchkin-scale damage" onto the scene.  She turns to the onlookers and
bestows them a maniacal but charming smile, aims at the subject-line,
and fires.  She fires again.  Several times, in fact.  Bowing to the
applause of the throng of onlookers, she exits stage left. 

           Cat, the Mystical Divinity of Unashamed Felinity
Oh if people only knew how DULL it was to live in sin!...
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Xref: sparky rec.games.frp:25102 rec.games.frp.misc:5098 alt.feminism:759
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:25:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep7.050613.18485@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <Bu5Bxx.M3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>>>Since there is not any evidence that there ever was a truly matriarcal 
>>>society of any impact, the type of campaign you speak of could be completely 
>>>original.  I encourage people to create their own societies, and not be 
>>>bound by any attempt to copy history.
>>
>>
>>	I recommend you read _The Mists Of Avalon_ by Marion Zimmer
>>Bradley.
>>	
>>	I must warn you, the Women on this group are gonna flame you to
>>cinders.
>>					D	
>
>I own _The Mists Of Avalon_.  Excellent science fiction.  Let 'em 

	Historical Fiction with a bit of Fantasy (the matriarchal society
Not being a part of the Fantasy or of Fiction, merely Historical.)

>flame away, facts are facts.  (If they want citations, I'm prepared.)

	Well, then maybe you should start basing what you say on them (facts).
	You cannot give "citations" that a matriarchal society didn't exist,
rather that one did.  The only way to prove this is to account for all areas of the 
world, all the time, and not to leave even ONE year open, throughout known history.
Then you have prehistory to contend with.  It is just possible that the reason
it is prehistory (ie, not written down) is because the onvading Patriarchal 
Sun-God cultures like the Sumerians, Hittites, Hebrews, etc, made wuite sure
there were no records left.
	I'm not saying Matriarchal societies NECESSARILY existed (to any avail --
it is known they Did exist, just whether any of them were noteworthy), but to
say they NEVER did is a stupid, sweeping, and massively chauvinistically assumptive
gesture.
	Rather, you should say, You don't THINK any existed to any avail.
>
	Of course, you can justify saying it your way by stating that in your
opinion, being Matriarchal qualifies as not noteworthy, but I don't think you 
should.

						Dodger
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Looking for "women's" rpg.
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:35:21 GMT

dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T. Dudek) writes:

>She wrote her own fantasy rpg, and I guess it was published, and she displayed
>the game at GenCon and it was pretty successful.  The game supposedly is
>not combat-oriented, although I think it said that it still is a minor
>aspect of the game.

I'm not sure, but you may be talking about "Tapestry," a new medieval
RPG out from White Rose Publishing, which is, I believe, a womyn-owned,
womyn-run, and mostly womyn-staffed gaming company. It was to be
released around the time of GenCon this year. I haven't seen the game
yet, but it sounds interesting.


-- 
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                                 elf-lad@aol.com         elflad0@glib.org
                                 thom.watson@p924.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org
                                 GEmail=T.WATSON7
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,alt.feminism,rec.games.frp.misc
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 1992 12:49:17 -0400 
From: Faye Levine <fl0m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for "women's" rpg.
	<Bu5Bxx.M3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Distribution: usa

>Since there is not any evidence that there ever was a truly matriarcal 
>society of any impact, the type of campaign you speak of could be completely 
>original.  I encourage people to create their own societies, and not be 
>bound by any attempt to copy history.
>
>
>	I recommend you read _The Mists Of Avalon_ by Marion Zimmer
>Bradley.

Also "The Firebrand" by the same.

But also, there *are* matriarchal societies in some parts of the world. 
However, since my own knowledge is limited, perhaps someone else could
site examples since I don't want to look like a fool.

FLOM.
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce
From: macgyver@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (MacGyver)
Subject: SR II upcoming products
Originator: cwatters@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:59:41 GMT

Here is the upcoming products for SR II..

In October, the softcover SR II will be available.

Sometimes after is Neo-Anarchstis Guide To Real Life.

Grimoire II will be available in December.


					Mac



-- 
Wilson MacGyver                      |"I do like a road, because you can be 
Internet:macgyver@cis.ohio-state.edu | always wondering what is at the end
=====================================| of it."
Disclaimer:All opinions are mine only|=======================================

Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce
From: IK20001%MAINE.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Society for Creative Solipsism)
Subject: Correction: roleplaying mailing lists and digests part 1/2
Followup-To: rec.games.frp.advocacy
Originator: cwatters@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:26:17 GMT


Here (at last) is a revised listing for Superguy:


Name:         SUPERGUY fiction list
Contact:      LISTSERV@UCF1VM.BITNET, listserv@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
List:         SUPERGUY@UCF1VM.BITNET, superguy@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
Status:       Active
Info-Updated: 14-Sep-1992
              This is a mailing list primarily for humorous fiction
              either satirizing Superhero comic books, or else
              Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy-style science fiction.
              Contrary to previous entries, game-related fiction
              isn't encouraged (it was tried once and it didn't work
              out) unless it fits one of the other topics.

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