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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: PREDICTIONS ANYONE?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:37:04 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(matthew militzok) writes:

>	I will make a prediction for the adams division.

>			1.  Montreal
>			2.  Buffalo
>			3.  Hartford
>			4.  Boston
>			5.  Quebec
>			6.  Ottawa

>Might as well go out on a limb.  Despite the Bruins preseason record,
>I feel that lack of depth on defense and other personnel, will prove
>to catch up with them.
 		
Looks like a twig to me. Regardless of the Bruin's exhib. record or any
problems, what in God's name will propel Hartford to 3rd?

Sean Burke can be a great goalie, but he hasn't been one for several 
years. Pietrangelo has had some great games, but never a decent season.
The Whaler's d will improve with Weinrich, for sure, but it is still
not strong. They haven't got a single 30 goal scorer. I don't see 3rd.

Now, if you had picked Boston third, I wouldn't ask to check your 
water for hallucinegens. I mean, a case can be made for Buffalo,
and anybody with Patrick Roy is a threat to win frequently. And Montreal
is better than last year.

But Bruins weak on defense? Compared to Hartford or Buffalo? Come on.
Granted, there is a drop off after Bourque and Wesley, but that would
be true of almost any team. The other defensemen can hold their own (no
stupid jokes, please!) and the Bruins are deeper up front than in years.
I just don't see it.

Matt
May the best team face Pittsburgh in the conference finals!
From: colletwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: RE: To the mistake, HELP
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:10:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

SORRY ABOUT THAT, FIRST TIME USER.

SEE YOU WHEN THE SNOW FLYS AND THE PONDS FREEZE.

GO NORTH STARS.

P.S.  HOW ABOUT THEM NEW UNIFORMS?
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Update on Bob Errey
Keywords: torn ligament
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:44:22 GMT

This was in today's Greensburg Tribune Review:

Last week it was reported that Bob Errey had a sprained left ankle/knee. But
according to this report, he has a torn ligament in his left foot.  He is 
still expected to be out for at least 3-4 more weeks.
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Enough with Lindros; watch a real team play!!
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:50:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hey us Flyers fans don't expect a cup this year....wait 4 years,
and you'll see a team with better depth than the Rangers.

Mike Cornell

FLYERS - Stanley Cup Champs 97,98,99.....
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From: sgwoods@csis.dit.csiro.au (Steve Woods)
Subject: Rocky Mountain Junior Hockey League
Reply-To: sgwoods@csis.dit.csiro.au
Organization: Spatial Information Systems, CSIRO, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:16:40 GMT

I am looking for someone who is familiar with this league or keeps up with the 
Junior A Tier II happenings in BC.  IN particular I am looking for information about
Kimberley in the Kootenay Division, and really in particular I am interested in
hearing how goalie Jason Elliot (16, Australian/Canadian) is doing.

Thanks for any replies - please reply via Email as some distributions miss way
out here.

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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: more FLYERS notes 10/7
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:59:49 GMT
Keywords: injuries


FLYERS injury report:

Pelle Eklund out 4-6 weeks, broken ankle.
Tommy Soderstrom out 2-3 weeks with heart condition.
Claude Boivin injured, I don't know how long or what's wrong
Kordic, Lomakin, Nattress all day-to-day

Al Conroy was in Calgary for his mothers funeral
Mark Pederson was apparently a healthy scratch (!!!)

Moe Mantha, released last week, has been signed as a player/assistant
coach for the Hershey Bears.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Patrice Brisebois
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:25:23 GMT

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Did Brisebois play in Montreal's victory last night at all?  Was he even
dressed?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Brad

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From: umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu)
Subject: Re:    Hockey Logo Icons..Where can I get em?
Reply-To: umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: The Univeristy of Manitoba.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:58:20 GMT

Hi, 
   I also want those NHL team icons, if you get them, could you please let me know too?

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: Misc. articles (opener, Hamrlik, Edm: Green quote)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:43:43 GMT

* Lightning impressive in opening debut

So the puck finally has been dropped in Florida, and a new chapter in the
state's already-rich sports history begins. The Tampa Bay Lightning, who
play the second game of a five-game road trip tonight in Chicago -- can
anybody say 'payback'? -- no longer are nothing more than a dream.

Could any franchise come up with a better opening night? Certainly no NHL
franchise opened so impressively.

The Lightning's convincing 7-3 victory over Chicago marked the first time any
of the league's 'original six' had lost an opener to an expansion franchise.
And never before had an expansion team opened with such an offensive showing.

Consider these statistics: San Jose, last season's expansion club, scored
seven goals in a game once all last season; and Chicago, a Stanley Cup finalist
that finished second in the league (to Montreal) in defense last season,
allowed seven goals only once last season, in a 7-1 loss to the New York
Rangers.

"I'm impressed by the way they work, by their desire," Lightning President/GM
Phil Esposito said of his team. "There are three things I insisted on from
these players: dedication, determination, and desire. That's what they've
given. You can't ask for anything more."

Many hockey players are known for being superstitious, but Esposito must not
be. How did he spend the afternoon that led up to the launching of the
Lightning? By watching The Poseidon Adventure on television at home.

This is one team he hopes to keep afloat for some time.

-----

Esposito said the Lightning will pay $200,000 over four years to ZPS Zlin,
a Czechoslovakian club, as a release fee for rookie defenseman Roman Hamrlik,
whom Tampa Bay signed just hours before Wednesday's opener. At one point, Zlin
was asking for $400,000, a move Esposito termed "blackmail." Also key for the
Lightning is the signing of veteran defenseman Rick Lanz, who at one point
declined an offer from the team. Lanz was born in Czechoslovakia, speaks the
language and has been an important figure in helping Hamrlik, 18, adjust to a
new culture. Don't underestimate the value in that. In Vancouver, for instance,
manyy worry the absence of center Igor Larionov (who signed to play in
Switzerland) will have an adverse effect on young Pavel Bure, who Larionov
had taken under his wing. Bure is from Moscow.

[what I don't understand is that Lanz has been sent to Atlanta (IHL). He is of
no help to Hamrlik there.]

-----

Quote of the week comes from Edmonton coach Ted Green, who expressed his
displeasure with new penalties that have slowed games: "I think Phil Esposito
is a man ahead of his time. If they keep these new rules, the NHL will have a
lot of women playing."

Tom
From: prevost@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Scott Prevost)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Flyers trade speculation
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:54:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.93393
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I caught the tail end of a trade rumor on WIP this morning and was
hoping that someone else heard the whole thing.  Al Morganti (Hockey
News, ESPN, WIP, etc.) said that there's talk of a trade between
Philly, Hartford and Montreal involving Terry Carkner,  Zalapski (sp?)
and presumably others.  Has anyone else heard similar rumors?

I know that Paul Holmgren is a big fan of Terry Carkner, so it would
make sense that Hartford would be interested in him.  Personally, I've
never liked Carkner, although I do think he's been playing better than
usual so far this season.  One of the things that irritated me most
about Holmgren was his inability to identify the boneheaded mistakes
that Carkner made.  Under Bill Dineen, I think he's improved his game.

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Computer and Information Science || Clinton-Gore in '92 || not enjoying them
University of Pennsylvania       || Flyers in '95       || very much."  G. Bush
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From: tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors )
Subject: Re: American Born
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:12:43 GMT

In article <Bw807J.CMr@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mjmelvil@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (mark) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.125652.27641@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors ) writes:
>> 
>
>Mark
>mjmelville@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
>Universty of Waterloo class of 94
>

Mark,
   I agree with you. Orr is the greatest d-man of all time, he opened
the door for Coffey and Leetch. I ws just saying that I though Leetch
was the best *current* defenceman. (In my opinion)
   tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
      Tim Connors
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sharks lose to Red Wings 6-3 (Was Re: NHL RESULTS FOR 11 OCTOBER 1992)
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

I have the flu, so I was unable to catch most of the second and third periods.
However, here is a partial game report:  (Box score at the bottom)

Stars:

1.	Jimmy Carson
2.	Sheldon Kennedy
3.	Jeff Odgers

Lines:

Johan Garpnelov		Brian Lawton		Pat Falloon
Jean-Francois Quintin	Mike Sullivan		Petri Skriko
Yvon Corriveau		Dave Snuggerud		Mikhail Kravets
John Carter		Dean Evason		Jeff Odgers

Defensive combinations:

		Doug Wilson		Doug Zmolek
		Jayson More		Sandis Ozolinsh
		Neil Wilkinson		Rob Zettler

Scratches:
Perry Berezan (fibula), Ed Courtenay (back), Link Gaetz (auto accident),
Ray Whitney (foot), Kelly Kisio, David Bruce, Dale Craigwell, Pat MacLeod,
Michel Picard

Box Score:

DETROIT		2 1 3	6
SAN JOSE	1 1 1	3

FIRST PERIOD
1.	Detroit, Yzerman 3, :19.
2.	Detroit, Kennedy 1 (Ysebaert), 12:49.
3.	San Jose, Odgers 1 (Evason, Carter), 18:14.

SECOND PERIOD
4.	Detroit, Carson 1 (Fedorov), 5:15, PP.
5.	San Jose, Skriko 2 (Wilson), 14:55.

THIRD PERIOD
6.	Detroit, Carson 2 (Fedorov, Lidstrom), 2:10, PP.
7.	San Jose, Falloon 1 (Garpenlov, Ozolinsh), 11:03.
8.	Detroit, Kennedy 2 (Yzerman, Burr), 14:52.
9.	Detroit, Ciccarelli 2 (Drake, Howe), 16:46.

Shots-on-goal:	Detroit 14-15-14-43.	San Jose 15-6-8-29.
Power-play:	Detroit 3 of 8.	San Jose 0 of 4.
Goalies:	Detroit, Riendeau, 1-0-0 (29-26).
		San Jose, Hayward, 0-1-0 (43-37).

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"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:28:56 EDT
From: <RSK113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Gretzky's Record Year

     If someone has a record of the # of goals and assists that Wayne Gretzky
scored in each of the 80 games the year he set the points record, could you
please email it to me? Thanks in advance, your help is greatly appreciated!

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy"))
Subject: POLL- New rules
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:43:06 GMT

This is a repost of a poll which got no responses. 
(no, I can't take a hint)

What do you think about the NHL's new rules:

1) 4 on 4 play for coincidental minors
2) High sticking now defined as above the waist
3) Anyone assesed an instigating penalty will be ejected
4) Helmets are now optional

Also
---What poll questions would you like to see be asked?
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From: dvb@smaug.West.Sun.COM (David Van Beveren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: USENET Hockey Draft week 1 standings
Date: 14 Oct 1992 15:20:49 -0700
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

I cannot believe how many good scores there are!

But, I also really miss totally.random.selections.

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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Congrats to Ottawa, too!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:09:48 GMT

In <Bvv1wG.Kqo.1@cs.cmu.edu>, Lori Iannamico writes:

>First Tampa Bay pulls a big upset, and now Ottawa.  This is great.

>How long did it take the Sharks to win their first game?  I'm not belittling th
>Sharks, I'm just curious.

The Sharks won for the first time in their fourth game, against Calgary.


Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
******************************************************************************
The Sharks, Senators and Lightning in first place?  I'll never drink again!!

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From: tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors )
Subject: Re: Enough with Lindros; watch a real team play!!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:53:39 GMT

In article <Bw69sw.92s@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113jc9g@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Swanni) writes:
>
>      I can't believe all this talk about Lindros.  Sure, he's looked good
>in four games but enough speculative talk. I guess since the flyer's and their
>"beloved fans" have nothing else to talk about; (oh let me correct myself)
>NO ONE else to talk about. Lets see how the Flyers play without Lindros,(I'd
>hate to see something bad happen to him).  If only the Flyers had the depth
>and the experience of the (lets say) RANGERS!!  There's a team with great 
>offensive fire power.  Did you all forget about Messier, Turcotte, Amonte,
>Gartner, and of course defensive superstar (in a class by himself MR. LEETCH)
>I can also add Adam Graves, Doug Weight, and new comer Kovalav (sp?).
>      Any of these guys can lead the team on any given night, and with the 
>greatest (and highest paid) goaltenders in the N.H.L the Rangers are the talk
>and top of the N.H.L.


 Odd. I thought you couldn't believe all the Lindos talk? If so, then
why did you babble about him just now? Silly Ranger fans. True, the
Rangers have a great team, but something always keeps them from winning.
Maybe its fans like you? Are you also implying that something "bad"
might happen to Eric? 1st, he's not a frail old man. 2nd, if the Rangers
are going to rely on "goon hockey" to get ahead, they deserve to wait
another 52 years for a cup. Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't going to bring that
up.
 
  tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
     Tim Connors
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Mike Lange
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:12:43 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I wrote:

>...the clairvoyant.  On the 6:30pm KDKA-TV sports, good ol' Mike said
>that Mario Lemieux was "due to break out" and "have a really big game."
>Mike! Mike!  It's the SECOND game of the season.  How can someone be DUE
>for anything???  We were giggling about this during the game -- and POW! --
>Mario "breaks out and has a really big game."  (Although 5 points in a
>game for Mario is "just another day at the office." :)

Someone pointed out to me that Mike Lange is always right on the money
with his "predictions" about what kind of game Mario will have.  I know
that (and not only with Mario but with the whole team).  My point was not
to express my surprise at him being right.  We just got a kick out of him
being so geared up for the second game.  (It's good that he's so ready --
since so many people think the season doesn't start until the first week
in April.  I appreciate his fire.)

When Scotty Bowman decides not to coach next season, perhaps Craig Patrick
shouldn't look any further than the Penguin broadcast booth for a coach. :)

Mom.
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jarmo Myllys & European Goalies
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>>1) It is difficult to tell if they have been given equal chances.

>Without generalizing, Jarmo was given every chance to win the position with
>the Sharks and just couldn't do it. He played himself off the team. Had
>moments of brilliances, and instances where he turned into a head case.
>Personally, I was rooting for him. Lots of potential, but not better than
>either Hackett or Irbe.

I can't for sure remember the context from my own article (how' that for a
startling admission on the net!) but I thought I meant it generally. I can't
disagree with your comments about Jarmo, given the boxescores I read last
year, and the several games I saw. Let me rephrase to say that in his case,
a first year expansion team doesn't give a rookie goalie from anywhere an
even break. It is bad enough to be an Andre (Red Light) Raciot, who has to
live up to Pat Roy's reputation the few chances he gets to play. No wonder
the guy hasn't proved much. But to be a Euro-rookie in goal for a 1st year
expansion club, which will be by nature as inconistent as possible, with
the high peaks being none too lofty, must have been torture. Hayward,
Hackett and such at least have some NHL experience and some basis for self
confidence. Irbe didn't get as much time as Jarmo, and didn't (that I can
recall) have the collapses Myllys did, so it is hard to compare.

To sum up, Jarmo didn't cut it last year, and going to Tampa would have been
like Year In Hell 2: Lightning Strikes Twice. I hope he has a good year in
Finland, gets his confidence or his head on straight, and gets another chance
with a non-expansion team.

Note also I'm not blaming or flaming San Jose. They are what they are, and
hopefully a few years down the line, expansion will be a fading memory and
they'll contend solidly. I hope none of the expansion teams remain lame,
for the game's sake.

I also hope to see Irbe up in the majors. One of my favorite XCIS players.
I agree that the time in the minors is better than time on the pine.

Matt 
Wonder if he'll learn English with a midwestern accent?
From: carrie@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: How 'bout them Whalers?
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:24:34 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <54822@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>
>Does anyone know where Jimmy Roberts and Rick Ley are these days?
>
>Judy
>


Ex-Whalers coach Jim Roberts is relaxing at home while the Whalers pay him
for the next 2 years.  He has refused to take any other job within the 
Whalers organization since they have to pay him anyway.  He won't coach
anywhere else because he lives in Westfield, MA and his daughters are going
to school there and he likes the area.  So, he's gonna be golfing up the street
at East Mountain Country Club when the next Whaler's coach gets fired.

Carrie
carrie@wpi.wpi.edu
GO INDIANS!!!!!!!!
GO ISLANDERS!!!!!!