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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:41:05 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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              11 Nov 1992 21:38:59 -0500 from <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:38:59 -0500 James R Llewellyn said:
>I feel it my duty to dispel any misconceptions about myself. I am indeed
>a college student. My major is music. I pursue this major because it is

   welcome....too bad about that stupid user ID with the special
character crap....though I bet that ain't your fault...

>something that I want. I am the son of a single mother. (I suppose my
>next ten generations are damned. Oh, well.) I have always taken pride in

   bfd.

>who I am and what I believe in. I believe that exclusion of a person due
>to age is superficial. What I write has no reflection on age. My only

   No age exclusion here.  We've got those from frosh or sophs I believe
up to grandpas and other old farts in their sixties.
    I'll make 50 myself in a couple months, God willing.

>situation. I, of course, expect to be uncomfortable until I can find my
>place in the list. If, by general consensus, my place is off the list,

   No one has EVER been kicked offf here, have they Natalie?  AT least
not by the listowner, though it seems some vmi geeks may have gotten
booted by their sysnazi....

>unfurl in front of me. My subscription has been the first truly
>mind-expanding experience since I arrived at college. My only demand
>while on the list is common courtesy. Grrrr!!! Fssk-fssk!!!

   no one on here ever takes much of anything TOO seriously....and glad
to have your mind expanded....have you met Neal, another Pittsburger?
Of course he may be why you're here....or why you'll leave....  8-)
You DO like baseball, don't you?

Common courtesy is like common sense....none too common....
   but such is life in the real world, and this list IS the real world....
stick around and visit Portland (the REAL Portland, the one in OR) next
summer....

dan
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: amendment 2
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:44:42 GMT

Hey, Graham, you left out some that I'm quite fond of: don't remember the
chapter & verse, but I'm in *big* trouble for shrimp. lobster, and 
bacon... and I don't even -look- in the Christian teachings.

And I'm not defending the 'religious right' -- I'm as scared of Pat 
Robertson and his ilk as I am of anyone.  I'm even scared of Jesse 
Jackson, since I'm basically a <devout coward>.  Look back at your
post -- and please apologize for misreading me.  I defended you, and 
jim, and Ruth.  That's all.

--bayla
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: One simple (?!) question
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:50:11 GMT
Organization: nope

tushar has
>Some questions about names:
>
>>Zsuzsanna Budapest

In a world where 'Zsa Zsa Gabor' exists, I have no trouble with ZsuZsanna.


>>Shekhinah Mountainwater

The Shekhinah in Hebrew is the Holy Spirit -- God's "actual presence" in
a more intense way than the oridinary "God is everywhere" sort of 
thing.  The Shekhinah is said to "be there", for instance, when 
people do particularly commendable things, like studying.


What this has to do with Mountainwater is up to anybody to guess.

--bayla

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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:16:16 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      baseball the product
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              Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>

Yeah, I know.....baseball is a profit-making business (well, like any
business, the investors hope so, anyhow).....and the players certainly
make a buncha money too.....and I wasn't born yesterday.....

but then WHY does it PISS me off so much when all the soundbites of
Lou Piniella on the tube last nite, accepting/announcing his job as
manager of the lameass mariners, who i don't even like (and probably never
will), were of him talking about "bringing a quality product to seattle"
and "putting a product on the field that can win" and so on.  I believe
there were THREE usages of the word "product" in the fifteen or thirty
seconds of his blathering.  NO mention of the word "team" or even the
word "players"......just a fucking product.....

dan, who isn't naive, but is still pissed.....
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:26:45 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Disinterested, disinterred...
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> in the Independent (newspaper) Magazine (supplement) I found
> tonight "Still, I am hardly a disinterested judge..."
>
> I'll keep you updated if I spot any others.  After about 10 years
> we should know whether britain or america preserve the distinction
> between the two :-)

Keep in mind that I didn't say that *nobody* in the U.S. preserves the
distinction.  The sentence you found would not strike me as odd in a
publication in this country.  Keep in mind also that writing is slower
to change than speaking.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:10:18 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: From The Times of India

>:Already remembered one. A fairly pretentious book review started by
>:saying that Indian writers writing in English were "multiplying rapidly".
>
>:A paragraph later they were accused of being sterile.
>
>Perfectly consistent, if they were writing their tables.  Hmmm... no, those
>would be Arabic, not English.

Say what? The most ancient and greatest mathematician Aryabhatta told
Indians long ago that numbers go the "wrong way".

	ankaanaam vaamato gatih

Stick to soldering together western male multiplication circuits and
hacking more insanely shorter byte reversal algorithms, Toal.

tushar
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Date: 7 Nov 92 00:30:41 GMT
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>
> Posted on 6 Nov 1992 at 17:24:22 by (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
> >        Paris or Seville.  What do you all think?
>
> Paris. But then, I've never been to Seville.
>
> Karen

Ireland, preferably Killarney...or maybe Clifden would be nice.
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:00:21 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)

>> What happens in India is that about 24 in 25 cabinet ministers swear in
>> in the name of god anyway. I have myself seen only one minister invoking
>> honesty or honour or something.
>>
>> tushar
>
>I'm curious - do you remember whether they invoke a particular name or is it
>a generic "Bhagwan".
>
>rashmi

I have NEVER heard a particular god's name. If in English, it's "God".
As for Indian languages, there are problems. Like, will a Muslim minister
say "Allah"? In Marathi I know there was a (Muslim) minister who didn't
say "Allah".

This is an interesting point, though. Never occurred to me to find out.
Basically, the God bit isn't taken all that seriously.

And not just by cynical politicians, even by ordinary people. I have heard
Muslims in trains in Bombay happily referring to "dev" or "bhagwan".

tushar
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Subject: Re: Word Query: liminality
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:15:54 GMT
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>But really, the Ga and Homowo? Where did you come up with this, happy hour
>at Buddy's? Or the Harvard Club? Has to be one of the two.

The Ga (or Ga-Adangbe) are people who live on the South (actually the only)
coast of Ghana. Accra is situated in a predominantly Ga-Adangbe region. One
of their traditional occupations is fishing.

Homowo is their (homecoming) festival for remembering the dead and settling
disputes.

tushar
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:22:13 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: WHTMINYC Part 6
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Well, offhand, before I look it up, I think the stock phrase 'callow
youth' means 'fresh youth' rather than some blend of 'shallow' or
'callous' <drags across OED, flicks through rapidly..> Mmm... not far
off.  Inexperienced *Bald* Youth :)

G
From: EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Tony @ Brownvm)
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Subject: Re: California makes history!
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:56:04 GMT
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Posted on 3 Nov 1992 at 23:16:51 by Emily Horning

>Graham, Torkel, Akio, Tony, Carolyn - how are other countries seeing these
>results?

The Canadian media are not making a huge deal of it, largely because
there was no upset - a Bush comeback would've got much more coverage.

"Elites" of all political stripes are rushing to explain how Clinton
will be good for Canada - that is the various views of Canada that they
espouse.  The (socialist) government of Ontario was quick to claim
that Clinton's policies will be really much like its own (industrial
strategy, tax & spend, etc.), and so will stop conservatives' calls
for a move to "US style" policies in favour of business, etc.

The (conservative) federal government quickly decided that Clinton
is, after all, *not* opposed to the existing free trade agreement (FTA)
or the coming NAFTA extensions to it, so their policy is somehow
thus vindicated.  (Both FTA and NAFTA are strongly opposed by many
Canadians.)

My view: Chomsky et al. are right.  The US has only one political party
with two branches: the far right, and the extreme right.  The left is
so marginalized in the US that it is really quite irrelevant which
branch wins the election - it's just a question of which particular
special interest groups will be in power.

I *do* fear for free trade with Clinton.  The constituency that
elected him probably has no interest in it.  It sounds positively
un-American, after all - trading with foreigners :-)  I predict
even more bizarre US attempts to evade the letter and spirit of
the FTA over the next while.  (Of course Canada has about as
many.)

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:40:47 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Clear the air
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> >  There are even others of us who are of Welsh descent on the list.  Enjoy.
> >
> > doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
>
> I, for one, am of Welsh descent, or so they say.
> --ggs

Why, of *course* you are.  We're siblings, remember?
doris
From: TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815))
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Subject: Re: Christian bashing
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:42:00 GMT
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John Williams runs the protest flag up his starboard stay:

> Ain't it amazing how one side can have the whole universe's supply of Right &
> Truth when so many other poor unfortunates have none?  8-(

Jim Thomas responds with the General Recall:

: John, re-read the thread. Yes, I believe in human rights and in
: Constitutional protections. I also believe I have the right to
: protest when attacked. You seem to have misread. I have some fundamental
: rights to live my life in my own way so long as it does not infringe upon
: the rights of others. Do you have a problem with that? If you're
: claiming that this "belief" is bigotry and claims "truth", then I'll
: put it another way: Some of us actively support the rights of those with
: whom we disagree and don't hold back simply because their views are
: diferrent "as a matter of conscience."

You'll have to clarify those comments, guys.  I agree with Jim; I'm not
sure what point John is trying to make.  But after rereading the thread
(several times) I think I see what John's 8-) is aimed at.  Several
of Jim's posts raise the issue of Christian "bigotry" and raise the
spectre of religion "used as the justification for repression" and
dismiss claims of "Christian bashing" as complaints raised by people
who dish it out but can't take it.

I'm trying to see all sides of this argument.  I agree with Jim's
statements about our basic rights to privacy and specifically the
first part of the sentiments quoted above.  I'm more with John when
the second part rolls around.  Assume _arguendo_ I'm an evangelical
Christian.  The government has taken away prayers in the public
schools.  It has hassled my children's attempts to form prayer clubs
to meet after school to pray and discuss Scripture.  At the same time
it has allowed homosexual students and students who are trying to sort
out their sexual feelings to form clubs.  Also assume _arguendo_ that I'm
a scoutmaster.  My troop has been criticized for excluding
nonbelievers.  I'm getting precious little support in defending my
organization's right of freedom of association.  And I'm wondering
when the nonbelievers are going to demand membership in the Masonic
Lodge.

Gentlemen, ladies, whether or not you agree with the position I've
taken, can't you at least understand why I might feel a little bit
pinched, beleaguered, possibly even bashed?

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Subject: Re: The Democrats and Me
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:13:49 GMT
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This return to the discussion of Presidents and Presidents-elect reminds
me of something I had meant to ask or look up.  I read that Clinton will
be the 3rd youngest President  in U.S. history.  JFK was the youngest,
wasn't he?  That's not the question.  I threw in the tag question because
I never trust my memory anymore.  The question I wanted to ask is who was
the other President younger than Clinton.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Subject: Re: anyone want to go to this one with me?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:06:28 GMT
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Posted on 10 Nov 1992 at 19:44:07 by Natalie Maynor
>Yes.  If you send me a plane ticket, I'll be there.  You should definitely
>go to it, btw.  Labov "thinks right."  ;-)

Yes.  He's one of those people that is depressingly prolific and *good*!

Karen
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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>abh oh-so-innocently inquires:
>>
>>So my question is: how do you know when a choice isn't going to come back
>>on you?
>
>Alas, my dear, *you never know*.  That's why some of us pray, and some of
>us wear our belts with suspenders.  Some of us are happy little carpe-
>diem grasshoppers, and some are slow-and-steady ants.

I trust my intuition.... I guess that makes me a grasshopper???

>So just go eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may need pennies for a
>rainy day.

Sounds like my lifelong motto: "Do what you feel like doing when you feel like
doing it".

>And watch out for the grass on the other side of the fence...

Good advice!

>--bayla <crone, I think the pc word is..>

You! Never!

Carolyn
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Today
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Oh, do you remember
The fifth of November?
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:41:20 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Ruth vs. Graham vs. ????

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:34:44 -0700 JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>>                                               Conservatives are to
>>me scary closed-minded people.
>
>>alec- A liberal in every way.
>Ahem.  I prefer to think that you find closed-minded people frightening [as do
>I] rather than the <bigoted> (close-minded?) most ill-liberal way that sentence
>read...

Isn't it closed-minded to say that all conservatives are closed-minded.
George Will is, to me, a conservative who is not closed-minded at all.

>
>JMW
>(Hmmmmm - "ill-liberal"...a typo, but I like it!)

Evelyn
(Member of the George Will Fan Club)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Guess who I bumped into today
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              5 Nov 1992 10:37:00 EST from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:37:00 EST gilbertsmith said:
>Well, on Monday, I was about five feet from our new vice-pres and
>his lovely wife Tipper and his four kids, as well as the new

   That censorious bitch?  Shit.....I voted for them, but Tipper gave
me even more pause than Quayle did last time....
   But I finally did it....

   dan
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:29:18 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      i'm on the rag
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i'll admit, but doesn't this sound strange anyway?

in an ad for a cdrommultimedia package, it contains
motion, sound, and live film clips
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ????

motion, sure
sound, no problem
but LIVE film?   LIVE video on the news is one thing....but live film?
and certainly doesn't seem very 'live' by time it gets pressed on cdrom,
especially when stuff they show is of moon landing, mlk, jfk, etc.....
is there some meaning i'm missing in all this???
or just particularly stupid marketing crap?

dan
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cut it out/ question

>>>Um, that would be "spokojnoj nochi."  It is in the genitive case,
>>>as it is an elypted form (from the longer "Zhelaju Vam spokojnoj nochi.").
>>
>>Um, that would be "an ellipsis for the longer ..."--as opposed to an elision.
>
>All dashed hyperbole, I say.
>
>Tony H.

And a zeugma to you too.

-K

-Mka
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 07:04:31 GMT
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and may get caught up by the end of the weekend....

there will continue to be occasional 'blasts from the past' as i read
miscellaneous old shit....

and maybe even a few timely items...

dan
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks

>While we are talking about professional activies and e-mail - how
>would you reference something you have come across on the nets - say,
>on WORDS-L? What form would this take and how could anyone double-check?
>
>Agnes

I have a copy of a paper titled "Bibliographic References for
Computer Files in the Social Sciences: A Discussion Paper" by Sue A.
Dodd of the Institute for Research in Social Science at the
University of North Carolina.  I can send it to you if you think it
would be of interest.  It's about 18K.  I seem to remember your
grumbling about lack of space, so I didn't just shoot it off to you.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:22:57 -0500
From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Puke on Perot

In reference to "one-man economic embargo":
In the final two weeks of the campaign, Perot spent around $60 million.
That is equivalent to the interest on his money for an equal number of
days. Ol' Boss Ross has clout. If he chose to disassociate himself with
a naughty third world nation, his $3 billion could easily influence more
than a few businessmen. Regardless of how he made his money, he's got it
and he can use it.
Peace, Love, and Free Agency,
Jim
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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:Cross references:
:  1. enmity

:an.i.mus \'an-*-m*s\ n [L, spirit, mind, courage, anger] 1: basic attitude
:   or governing spirit : DISPOSITION, INTENTION 2: deep-seated hostility :
:   ANTAGONISM

:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Ah.  I thought as much.  Websters indeed.  The people who allow prevaricate
to stand for procrastinate, no?  (Or some such idiocy I seem to remember..)

G
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Date: 6 Nov 92 01:51:00 GMT
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: I've got enough on my plate laying into 90% of soc.bi for being a bunch
: of nauseous PC self-righteous pillocks without taking on the bigots
: of soc.motss too.

Yeah, it's hard being a flyswatter some days, isn't it?  Are the pillocks
nauseated or nauseating?

Steve Karlson
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Rashmi, this just fed upon a Dyslexic Moment I had today.  When I saw I had
been gleaned (hmmmm, I must resolve to be more cryptic) at first I thought
it was Mesa *PD*, not PL.  I went, oh yea, those guys who sit and watch
people run red lights, won't come investigate when you're burglarized, and
spend their on-duty hours screwing each other's wives...  Anyway, when I
got busted (Livestock At Large, remember?) all I could think of was, "When
did they start giving Boy Scouts guns and police radios?"  8-(  The officer
looked about 14 years old to me!  <sigh> As I was telling one of the English
faculty today in a slightly different context, "One mark of maturity is when
kids you grew up with that you KNOW aren't worth a damn and can't do shit are
being placed in positions of authority!"

John "Officer, that dog drooling on your brogans is not a killer" W.
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