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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:30:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr14.124113.6363@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
->In article <1992Apr10.200936.28288@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> shay@osiris (George Shay) writes:
->>
->>Be honest, I will not let my sister date an Indian unless I know this guy
->>very well, sure he has nice personality and good education. Before that I
->>will not let her do it. Personally I do not hate indians, in fact, my
->>advisor was an Indian, and I do appreciate he gave me a lot of help.
->
->  Let your sister!  Hey guy, your sister can do as she pleases.
->  This isn't the old country, and she isn't your possession.

True.  But for people coming from families where family ties are strong,
family influence cannot be underestimated.  I've known guys dating girls
who say "If you want to date me, you have to deal with my family."  On
the other hand, I've heard about girls who haven't seen their family for
years...

->  If I were your sister, I'd give you a thump on the head.

Once you are married, it's a different story...

->-- 
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Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:41:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.12165
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <4087@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
|> In article <11999@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

|> >Good deal!  Now if only we can get the CM's to consult us first, too....
 
|> Good deal?  It's a tragedy to me that any person can't ask someone out
|> because of racial prejudice.

[interracial dating flame deleted]

|> Please, please, I BEG all of you, let's not start another interracial
|> dating flame...

:-) .  (delinquent smiley with interest penalty)
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:51:49 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr4.080716.3436@Princeton.EDU>, fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:
 
|> Yes, there is a certain agreed-upon common standard for expository
|> writing, but the point was that Andrew was talking about literary
|> culture.  Big difference.  He was arguing for the creation of a uniform
|> literary language tailored to a supposedly homogeneous "Asian American"
|> population.

Now who's creating a strawman?  A "uniform literary language"?

|> P.S.  By the way, perhaps we should pity the poor Chinese.  There are
|> hundreds of Chinese "dialects" (linguistically speaking, they should be
|> called different _languages_, not dialects), yet everyone has to learn
|> "Standard Written Chinese," i.e., Mandarin.  Perhaps Andrew should try
|> to convince the Cantonese to come up with a Cantonese-Mandarin language
|> and literary culture.

At the risk of siding with underdog, if Standard Written Chinese is
excluding the Cantonese experience from the Chinese literary canon
(and I suspect it is), I would support such a reform, provided that
it developed from authentic individual voices.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:01:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Apr14.190157.10760
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

In article <1992Apr14.125928.6428@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>>  That's interesting.  Whenever I talk to females on the network
>>(mostly initiated on the other end.  I don't much care for
>>chit-chats, especially over the computer), and usually within 10
>>sentences I will mention that I'm Asian.  9 out of 10 times you
>>can see the tone change immediately.  I never desired to meet
>>any of them anyway, so this doesn't bother me (Don't believe in
>>computer dating).  It's always interesting to note the changes
>>nonetheless.
>>
>>  Tim
>
>  I've never noticed any discrimination over the net about
>  computer chatting...

No, not over the net.  I think Tim was referring to private e-mail exchanges
between him and the various women.

>  [a few sentences deleted]
>  However I've had guys mail me diskettes with their favorite public
>  domain software, mail me sample printouts, call me up
>  when they were in town, ask me if I'm single, etc.

Uhh, Clare, don't you see the difference between your situation and that of
Tim or George?  As a woman in a rather male-dominated forum like here, your
situation is a bit different from that of the two males.  Many men are going
to show interest in a woman whose availabilty is in question (why else would
they ask if you were single?), and they aren't going to let race get in the way
of an initial encounter (key word is initial, btw).  The situation does not
necessarily hold in reverse.  Maybe if USENET (or the computer-related fields)
were female-dominated, it would be different.  Maybe not.  I think it's fair
to say that in general, women are more selective than men in the *initial*
encounters.

Besides, as has been discussed umpteenth million times here, in general, Asian
women are definitely considered more "attractive" to non-Asian men than AMs to
non-Asian women.

Personally, I don't doubt Tim or George's anecdotes.

>  This is the only newsgroup where people have flamed me.

Did this happen within the past year?  I've been reading this group quite
diligently, and I don't recall anybody flaming you.  Disagreeing, perhaps, but
no flames.  When did this happen?

>  I don't know why I bother, but I guess I do want to keep up with what other
>  Asian Americans are up to.  :-(

Why does that merit a frown?

Jim
-- 
(Do not listen to the address on the header.  My correct email address is: )
jpak@manute.sps.mot.com  or  ...!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!manute!jpak
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
From: yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:15:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.231342.4317@nic.umass.edu> s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins) writes:
>
>
>it's like calvin of calvin and hobbes, sure, calvin is very smart, but he can't
>possibly be very productive if he doesn't learn the things that are expected
>of him in a normal world. and surely, no one wants to create a special
>calvin-and-hobbes world for him because he is simply not in the majority.

Just to pursue your Calvin-Hobbes analogy: Calvin can be Calvin not only
because he is a kid, but he is a kid in a fairly well-to-do family, going
to a fairly decent school (except for the presence of Mrs. Wormwood).
Suppose he grew up, he'd probably go to another almost-all-white school,
date girls from fairly well-to-do families; he'd probably go to a college,
with his (low-rating) Dad paying his tuition; upon graduation from college,
--yes, he probably will, not because he is more intelligent, but the system
just "so happened" to have been designed for people like him--he'd be hired
be hired by some company.  He may still goof off, but certainly there's
nothing to stop him: if he completely got screwed up, he probably can get
his rear covered with his inheritance.

So, Calvin (of Calvin-Hobbes) does not need a special world created for him:
he is in one!

Gee, I wonder why other people(s)' lives aren't like that!

					Yumei

-- 
******************************************************************************
          If silence is a weapon, how do you fire it?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: chenh@athena.ecs.csus.edu ( h philip chen )
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:12:04 GMT


here're my quick.opinions re: english movement/usage...

no, i don't believe in using one language only.  go ahead and
learn/use a hundred languages if anybody wants or understands.

however, i would like to emphasize that knowing and being capable 
of comprehending the meaning(s), and getting the message(s) clearly
across to another party in a major language is of paramount importance.
yes, it may sound unfriendly to some, but i've seen enough to convince 
me that it's very important and everyone should at least be open to 
the idea.

remember the Good Guys massacre?  that was the electronic store 
hold-up that you people probably saw/read all about.  remember 
how the unfortunate victims were tied-up, paraded, and later shot?
yes, it was here, and i was sad & shocked while watching everything
unfold on live tv.  those Asian bastards couldn't even speak english, 
except for one that "tried".  talk about negotiating and the officers 
will throw up.  those idiot immigrants were complaining that they 
couldn't get any jobs, life was miserable, and blah blah blah.  they 
should and can only blame themselves for their own lives.  i can 
understand them, but i will not accept their excuses when they don't 
even have the basic skills & understandings to live in and contribute 
to this society.  others may want to call it a burden.

no offense intended to any others, even of that denomination who are 
unlike any of those fools.  i know some of you people aren't anything 
like that -- i've met some respectable ones here.  it's only the bad 
ones that will set all the others back by 50 years.  if you can read 
this post, you're not one of them.

what we need is to get people to help other people learn the english 
language, introduce the "do's & don'ts" to those people, or at least 
point them to a place where they can learn.  as far as i'm concerned,
it's not the "way" but it's the "will" on the learners' part that is 
the big problem.


sorry if i sound harsh in this post.  i guess readers can figure out 
that i'm heavily opinionated on this topic, but remember, your miles 
and my miles aren't necessarily the same, so it's...


not worth flaming me over this 2 cents,

-philip chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Lack of AA literary culture (was New topic!)
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.200338.23412@Princeton.EDU> fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.053713.7500@wam.umd.edu> yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei) writes:
>>Get educated: there's a real act for you.
>
>This is the oddest sentence I have ever encountered.  It was obviously
>not written by someone who has a grasp of "Standard Written English." :-) I
>have stared at it for a full five minutes without being able to discern
>its meaning or intent.  I am familiar with such constructions as "get
>real" and "get a life," but I've never encountered "get educated."  As
>for "there's a real act for you," this is a totally new construction to
>me.  I wonder if it will prove to be a significant Asian-American
>contribution to the English language.  I know what "there's" means, and
>"a" and "real" and "act" and "for" and "you," but somehow the sense of
>the sentence does not come through to me.  Perhaps the writer meant
>"This Bud's for you"?  I've never heard of "getting educated" being a
>"real act."  Would someone translate this sentence into Evil White
>"Standard Written English" for me, please??

Perhaps Yumei can tell us what the real intent was, but for now this will
have to do....

I suspect "get educated" would be said in the same tone as "get a life."
My guess is "there's a real act for you," means "it would take a act of
God (or some other event of probability measure zero) for this (getting
educated) to happen to you."  You might consider putting a smiley at the
end of her remark, too, though I do not know if it was meant that way or
not.
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:38:38 GMT
	<1992Apr9.221142.114@Princeton.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Organization: /u/mday/.organization


   fchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Franklin M. Chen) writes:

   As for love:  the concept of romantic love is a social construction
   invented only a few centuries ago in France (or something like that;
   please correct me if I'm way off).  I would say that "love" is much
   overrated.  

Boy, does this seem familiar.  I used to say things like this.  I was
convinced that I had it all figured out.

Then I fell in love.  I was wrong.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:3315 soc.culture.japan:3362
From: blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Asian Cultures inability to report overtime
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:25:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigbird.6212
Reply-To: blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Apr3.232743.21840@caedm.byu.edu>, luke@koala.ee.byu.edu
(David Luke) writes:

=> So how does this motivate the underreporting of overtime worked?  I can
=> see it motivating OVERreporting of hours, but it should discourage
=> underreporting, not encourage it.  That is what I can't understand.
=> Or more specifically, the thing I can't understand is the _motivation_
=> for underreporting.  Ask the average Japanese person why they do it,
=> and they'll say, "because we don't want to look lazy.  If we say it took
=> 10 hours to do 10 hours of work, our bosses would think we were inefficient,
=> so we only report 9 hours of work."  But the bosses all know what is going
=> on!  Last year the kacho was working in the ka with everybody else, 
=> underreporting his own hours.  He knows everyone is doing it, and they
=> all know that he knows it.  So why do they do it, and why do they say
=> they do it so as not to look inefficient?

Perhaps many reasons. One is the perception of "giving" something back
to the company for the priviledge of working OT, which IS efficient.
Another reason is, when someone asks, "Are you working a lot of
overtime?", they can answer, "Not really." with a straight face.
"Not really" = not officially.

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe?
Keywords: fairy tales
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.014336.1599@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.211450.8780@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
>writes:
>>
>>Hmm, good advice.  ... one of my
>>pet projects while visiting the BA this summer
>>[will be to] read ... a 1000-page
>>anthology on the wonders of Chinese culture.  Slowly.  Very, verrrrry slowly.
>
>Gee Jim.  Do you really like to read fairy tales?
>
>8^)

Are you suggesting that Chinese are fairies?  :-)
From: sieh@quads.uchicago.edu (Lui Sieh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:45:32 GMT
Reply-To: sieh@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Mar31.213019.1437@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com
(James Pak) writes:
>[analogy deleted]
>
>I'm advocating an AA spokesperson who would help broadcast the problem of
>increasing anti-Asian racism to the general masses.  I would like to see group
>support from AAs of this person.  

Would you consider KY as a spokesperson?  I think that any one of us, in our
daily lives can be a "spokesperson" for Asian Americans.  However, the type
of spokesperson I see being advocated (ie. the Jesse Jackson type), harps 
back to the problem of the representation.  Does a Chinese American represent
the views of the Korean American community or the Filipino Community?  There
is much more ethnic diversity among the Asian American community than the
Black American community.

It is very much like the "white spokesperson".  George Bush is a spokesperson
for which group?  The whites?  Think not.  The case with the Asian American
will be similar.
-- 
//Lui Sieh
Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum postero.  
Horace, Odes, I.xi.7;	<-- "Why post to USENET?" -Brian O.  Indeed.
What about my opinions? ==>> /dev/null	or  sieh@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clee@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Cassian Lee)
Subject: Asian Musicians
Originator: clee@harriett.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Keywords: Guitarist
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:29:58 GMT


I was watching VH-1 the other day and saw this music video by two asian 
guitarists. It was a group called "Gontiti". I don't remember the name
of the video. It was guitar instrumental music, and the video was in B&W. 
They looked like Japanese (-American?) to me...

Does anyone know anything about this group?? They sounded pretty good,
I wonder where are they from??

Cassian Lee
(clee@ncsa.uiuc.edu)

P.S. I play classical guitar, any other asian classical guitarists out there???
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:59:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <it1.702970865@Ra.MsState.Edu> it1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tim Tsai) writes:
>shay@osiris (George Shay) writes:
>[...]
>
>  That's interesting.  Whenever I talk to females on the network
>(mostly initiated on the other end.  I don't much care for
>chit-chats, especially over the computer), and usually within 10
>sentences I will mention that I'm Asian.  9 out of 10 times you
>can see the tone change immediately.  I never desired to meet
>any of them anyway, so this doesn't bother me (Don't believe in
>computer dating).  It's always interesting to note the changes
>nonetheless.
>
>  Tim
>


  I've never noticed any discrimination over the net about
  computer chatting.  I've asked all sorts of question in
  the Amiga groups and people from all over the world are
  only too glad to help.  I have an obviously Asian last
  name Chu, and I've tacked on my husband's last name which
  is Spanish.  Most computer conversations peter out after
  the topic of interest has been hashed out.  However I've
  had guys mail me diskettes with their favorite public
  domain software, mail me sample printouts, call me up
  when they were in town, ask me if I'm single, etc.  People
  sometimes compliment me on articles I've posted in misc.kids
  or back in the old days, in soc.singles.  I'm sure everyone
  knew that I am Asian all along.  This is the only newsgroup
  where people have flamed me.  I don't know why I bother,
  but I guess I do want to keep up with what other Asian Americans
  are up to.  :-(

-- 
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Clare Chu, Ph.D.             Data & Information Services
NYNEX Science & Technology   clare@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10462       AMIGA RULES!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Lecture & Workshop - Taoist Health Practice
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 02:06:51 GMT

                   
Education in Taoist Health Practice

In early China, Taoists were famed for their longevity.  This longevity 
was the consequence of health sciences developed in the various Taoist 
monasteries.  Three foundations of Taoist health practice are chi kung, 
diet, and meditation.  Chi kung builds the body's energy capacity and 
facilitates healthy circulation.  The science of diet tailors an 
individual's eating patterns to the person's individual character and 
current circumstances.  Meditation calms the mind, thus avoiding the de 
stabilizing effects of mental agitation.  

Unfortunately, access to Taoist health science has been very limited, 
especially in the United.States., and it is rare to meet individuals who 
are qualified to teach these practices.  Kwan Saihung will be offering
instruction in Taoist health practices in the San Francisco Bay area 
during the spring of this year.  

Kwan Saihung has pursued scholarly and martial studies through a long and 
eventful life.  Today, he occasionally emerges from retirement to teach 
Taoist health practices in the belief that the benefits of such practice 
should be made available to all individuals.


Lecture:  An Introduction to Taoist Health Practice

	Time:  Friday, May 8 at 7:30 PM. 
	Location:  Cypress Room, Second Floor, 
	Tressidor Student Union, Stanford University
	Cost:  Free

          
Workshop:  Foundations of Taoist Health Practice
	Beginning Taoist Yoga:  The Eight Brocades Exercises
	Diet:  Theory and Practice
	Chi Kung:  Basic exercises to open the meridians and strengthen 
		   the body
	Meditation:  Golden Light Meditation
	Time:  Friday, May 15 (evening), May 16, May 17
	Location:  To be announced (General vicinity of Palo Alto)
	What to Bring:  1) A black sash of polyester/cotton, 6 inches in 
			width and long enough to wrap around your waist 4
			times, 2) Water, 3) Notebook 4) Towel or pad, 
			5) Sitting cushion for meditation.
	
	Later workshops in the series will introduce progressively more 
	advanced theory and exercises.

Interested individuals may wish to review the book, "Scholar Warrior, An 
Introduction to the Tao in Everyday Life" by Deng Ming-Dao, 1990, 
HarperCollins.  The book, written by Kwan Saihung's senior student, 
describes several Taoist health practices.

To register for the workshop or to obtain further information, please 
contact:

	Mitchell Tsao	
	Tsao's Acupuncture and Herbal Clinic				
	36601 Newark Blvd.						
	Old Town Center #2						
	Newark, California 94560
	(510) 795-1410

	   <or>

	Scott Workinger
	Box 9767
	Stanford, Ca. 94309
	sworking@leland.stanford.edu