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From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: rec.org.sca Frequently Asked Questions
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:23:49 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

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From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:09:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:

> Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>  T> Conan, who tells me that he's a regular lurker [and nobody better
>  T> laugh - he's big enough to use that name!]
> 
>  Yeah, but doesn't he spell it differently?  Or was that just a kluge to
>  keep nitpickers happy in the Dark Pages, and it's as above for real?

  Now calm down everyone.  Conan is a good and proper Irish name.  No need
to worry the authenticity types 8^)

Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: BLISSA@UNC.BITNET
Subject: Recipes
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:53:00 GMT

Enough people have asked me for recipes that I'll
ost them.
********************************************************
                       Prince Biskit
obviously not a peasant's waybread, just LOOK at how much
sugar!
4 C. fine white flour
2 C. sugar (turbinado, if you can find it, would be much
closer to the original, but white will work)
5 eggs (large)
1 oz. caraway seed
2 T. rosewater
Put the flour, sugar, & caraway seeds in the food processor.
Run it for a minute, or so, to abuse the seeds, & release
the oil (will make more flavorfull).  Add the eggs & the
rosewater.  My faithful servant has the good sense to stop
when he is over-worked, if yours does not, watch him MOST
carefully, to see that he does not have apoplexy & die.
I let mine run until he stalls out--about 1-3 minutes (this
is a MOST sticky mess).  I have been told that to achieve
this amount of mixing takes about an hour, if you do it by
hand (in truth, this has seemed so unappealing, I have never
tried it, but it is a MOST sticky mess).  Grease ye bread
pans, & force the dough into them.  Bake at 300 degrees for
an hour, then another 40 minutes at 350 degrees.  If
you do not like caraway seeds, you WILL NOT care for
this bread, but if you do, 'tis most delightful.
It has the virtue of keeping almost indefinitely,
and altho hard to the touch (& knife), of being easy
to eat.   Taken from Hugh Plat's 2nd edition (he of
course, did not have my wonderful French servant).
*******************************************************
*******************************************************
                       Scotch Eggs
Take ye peeled boiled eggs.  I prefer that they come to
me that way, I despise peeling eggs.  Did you know that
one can buy 5 gal. buckets of already peeled boiled eggs
from restaurant (& institutional) supply places--you
might also consider pickled eggs, just remember eggs
don't freeze well.  Anyway, take these eggs, & liberally
coat them with ground sausage that is to your taste, &
not too fatty, liberally may be about 1/2 inch thick.
Bake them on racks OVER DRIP PANS in your oven (at home),
til the sausage is both well browned, & the fat has all
run off. Remember that these will be eaten cold, or
warmed up like potatoes (in foil) in the ashes of a fire,
& remember that cold pork grease is unappetizing.
Try making a small batch first, to get the hang of
it, you don't want to over-bake them either. O, I think
in a 275-300 degree oven.
*********************************************************
Julitta
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Battle of Maldon
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:09:04

DA> It was a very useful skill for constructing carpet-armor, back in the
DA> days when that was considered sufficient.

I am currently helping a Lady get armoured who has little money to
invest, and is primarily interested in fighting for the war between
Ansteorra and Trimaris in early June.  We will be using carpet for
upper-leg protection (which is not-required) and for padding in
several areas.  The padding will be underneath other protection,
but it keeps her from having to buy foam, etc.  We have a helm to
loan her, and I expect that her total expense for armour (not
weapons or a helm) will be under $10.00.  Yes, it will be ugly.
But it will be save and legal.  After the war, she will either
decide to keep fighting, in which case we will gradually upgrade
her armor (donating any usable but un-needed pieces to the baronial
loaner armor) or she will decide to quit, and we will give the
whole thing to either the loaner gear or a new fighter in a similar
situation.

Stephen Whitis/Stephen of the Grove
Steppes/Ansteorra  FIDO 1:124/4229

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From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Camp Ovens
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:05:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sdllnINNaie
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.berkeley.edu

Greetings from Bjalfi!

Alexander of Kiev writes:
>>[...]>>[stuff about iron ovens deleted]
>>
>>(Remember--iron used to be *e*x*p*e*n*s*i*v*e*.)
>
>True....  Doew anyone know whether bronze/brass/copper/etc. would 
>stand up to such use?   Or better, does anyone know for sure whether 
>it was done?  
> 
Well, there are a number of soapstone cookpots from Scandinavia.  It strikes me
that soapstone would make a good oven material -- hold the heat and all that.
Of course, there's the minor detail of its poisoning your food, slowly...

Bon appetit,

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Persona (was Re: Travel,Persona)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:22:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr14.172221.12245
Organization: Open Communications Forum



I don't know, Tadhg... I thought it was a very *pointed* way of telling the
women (and perhaps some of the men) just how different things were for women
in that time and culture. Until I saw the recounting of the incident, I had
been unaware that there were such *strong* taboos against women hearing "men
things" still existant in that era, in Europe. And it seems quite useful. It
lets the students know this was the case, without "polluting" the course with
an instant discussion of feminist issues, exactly because she *doesn't* discuss
it. 

Methinks you were drawing the wrong lesson from the incident...

......

And on a different aspect of this, I heard a wonderful solution to the unease
we often feel in trying to get into persona, form a former king of Caid, who
addressed our heraldry class. He mentioned that one might hold small persona
dinner parties among close friends. Very small groups, relaxed atmosphere, one's
own friends/house...less pressure. Try to stay in persona the whole night.
Sounds very instructive to me, and fun, as well! If I ever get the hovel clean,
I'm going to host one...

(And I do think that if our young had to live in such a situation for a few
hours as Wolf-Eater the Barbarian, among people who actually *talk*, they might
be more willing to enlarge their personae beyond Conan and AD&D, simply to be
able to communicate and wear presentable dinner-wear loincloths. ;-)

Moreach (who is a barbarian to the Sasenach, at least...;-)
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: What is a Persona?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 05:47:19 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.berkeley.edu

Greetings to the Rialto from Bjalfi Thordharson!

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin writes:
>I do have a complete "persona story" that I could tell if I wanted to,
>including how Hal and I picked each other up at the Sack of York in
>866--but it's easier just to wave the hands a bit and say "Ninth-century
>English," and it's even  easier, particularly if I'm tired, to say,
>"Oh, you know, Early Period Northern European."  (I acknowledge that
>that has more syllables, but it's vaguer and means I don't have to
>wave my hands as much.

So what's the problem?  By me, all three of those examples count as a
persona(tm).  If you want to write a novel-length persona biography, go
for it.  If you want to narrow yourself down to half a continent and a
quarter of a millenium, that's great.  That's a Persona Story(c), and that's
as much or as little as you want it to be.  (And by the way, if you want
a smile, ask your daughter what she thinks my attitude towards persona is.
For some reason, she's gotten the impression that I'm pickier than
Cariadoc.)

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: splitting shields
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:40:06 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

Greetings!

While I don't know anything about period polearm mass, I *do* know 
something about chopping wood.  (we used to heat with elm (lots of dead
elm around at the time) and I spent grades 6, 7 and 8 chopping the stuff
into stove sizes).

No one in their right mind, balance, or reflexes will arm swing a long pole
anything through 180 degrees; not only is it less than perfectly controlled
(if you're holding the thing to be getting max muscle output at point
of impact, 180 degrees away (any away) will have you quite contorted),
it doesn't get you anything.   Composite swings, with the pole weapon
going through 60 or 70 degrees and the body turning (moving your feet
turning) up to 180 degrees will work, since you get to stay balanced the
whole way through.  This *won't* work behind a line of shieldmen, though.
(uh, sorry about the kidney, Oswy..)

What should work is straight down choping strokes, starting about 10 degrees
on either side of vertical, and with the body turning from full face to 
slightly offside, with the legs flexing to drop the centre of mass in 
time with the blow landing.

The other thing to consider is that almost no one in the SCA fights as
a profession.  So, in general, we're no where near as strong as the
members of the period military aristocracies.  (Starting training before
puberty has an affect on how strong you *can* get, too.  Hardly any
of us are in a position to hit our full genetic potential for strong.)

All of which goes to say that if Baldric can't cut through plywood, 
I not going to assume that this was true for your typical huscarl.

Graydon
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Guillaume
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:19:00

Michael Squires who is on this board, should be able to get you Guillaume's number or address.  If he can't then call Master Sion Andreas o Wynydd (Ian Engle) at 812/988-8066 -- he keeps track of all of the other dancemasters in the Midrealm, and other areas, I know he has Guillaume's address and maybe phone. Has answering machine, too, in case he's not in.

-- Vashti, formerly Master Sion's Dance Partner and still in regular correspondence with him.



 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: question of contest judging ethics
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:35:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr06.150546.32947@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>"Should a judge of any arts and science competition be permitted
>to enter their own work, and pass judgement upon it?"

Not only do I believe that an A&S judge should be able to enter his
or her work, I feel that the judges of any A&S competition should consist
*only* of the entrants to that competition. What better way to decide 
how good a work is than by having the entrants gather together and discuss
how they did their work, what their sources were, and so on? And the
"arts weebles" would be found out soon enough.

>BTW, to clarify my own opinion, I feel the answer should be
>"No." Too bad, but I've seen some questionable judging in the
>past, and *this* little situation is just bursting with
>bad-blood potential. 

In practice, what I've seen when a judge also has entered the competition,
is that the judge won't judge his or her own work. Thus, if there are
three judges and Judge Hrothgr has entered the contest, Hrothgr's piece
will have two numerical scores averaged for his total, while the other
pieces will have three scores averaged. A caveat, though, is that we don't
have big Arts & Sciences competitions (similar to county and state fairs)
that other places do, so Machiavellian intrigue surrounding A&S competitions
is pretty much unknown.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: laws, laws, laws
Organization: Um, er, I *know* I saw it here a few days ago...
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 03:23:16 GMT

In article <9204031511.AA24739@math.bu.edu> jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes:
>
>Yaakov asks about legal history.  I, too, have a question regarding
>this: I remember reading somewhere that one of the Edwards banned the
>burning of coal in the city of London, but I don't remember the
>reference or which one of the Edwards.  Could anyone help me on this?
>
Um, er, I can only swear to you that it wasn't me....

>Fujimoto
>
Edward
--
	Mark Cochran 		Lord Edward Tremaine
	merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu	Aarquelle, Outlands
"It's easy. Just hold the dull part and hit him with the sharp part."
	- Don Alaric Greythorne of Glen Mor talking to a new fighter
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Camp Ovens
Organization: University of Toronto / UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:10:02 GMT

The British Museum has a beautiful hanging iron pot of Norse origin.  For a great representation of it have a look at "Erik the Viking"--there's a great reproduction of it in the first scene.  The BM also has lots of ceramic cooking pots--the mainstay of mediaeval cooking.

As to ovens, Ms. Menya Wolfe (Mistress Rhiannon gan g'Wye) made a brick and clay beehive oven on site at Pennsic 15 or 16.  When I worked at the Sated Tyger at
Pennsic 14, there were two big brick ovens, which I'm told are still on site and are owned by Duke Aonghais.  I have intended to build an oven at Pennsic after the model of the one at Plimoth Plantation, but I need a baker to use it first.

As to camp baking, one authority you might try to get a hold of is from the Barony of Skraeling Althing--the Baron of S.A. is a regular poster on this net, and maybe he can put you in touch with Sieglinde Hrafnersdottir (or something).  She has been baking VERY WELL at Pennsic for the past few years.

Aryk Nusbacher

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: vader@emil.csd.uu.se ("]ke Eldberg")
Subject: Old Used Dukes & The Integrity of Artisans
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:38:04 GMT

Greetings from William de Corbie!

Old used Dukes &c:

In A.S. XVIII, the fighters of Drachenwald invited Duke Paul
de Bellatrix to come over and teach them. Funds were raised
to pay for the journey, and the Duke accepted.

Beside the practise sessions, they also had a tourney, which
I have on video. There is one fight where three guys go after
the Duke. It is very interesting to watch these fighters very
carefully approaching their feared adversary -- you can _see_
that they are scared of him, and all three are waiting for 
one of the others to strike the first blow. Finally, Paul gets
tired of circling, and aims a blow at one of the guys, who
immediately falls down.

BUT on the video you can see that Pauls sword never even
touches this guy! The whole kill is sheer intimidation; this
fighter expected to get killed immediately, so he was...

Judging A&S contests:

Charly the Bastard writes:

> I feel that artisans should be allowed to judge in their field of
> expertise, but should not, repeat NOT, judge their own work.

This is interesting as a matter of principle. Would you not agree
that fighters are allowed to "judge their own work"? They are assumed
to be so honest in acknowledging blows that no referee is needed even
in the most important fights. An attempt to cheat by not acknowledging
good blows (known as "rhino-hiding") will bring the perpetrator into
bad repute and significantly lower his chances of attaining knighthood.
Not to mention that it will bring chastisement (attitude adjustment)
from other fighters and marshals.

One might say that the fighter is not judging his own blows, but
only those of his opponent. But in fact, they are judging all the
blows together. Both are assuming that the other guy will "die"
if a good blow is struck, and both are prepared to do so themselves.

If fighters are assumed to have such an integrity and impartiality,
why should not artisans be accorded the same?

William

From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 22:58:16 -0500

Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

 T> Conan, who tells me that he's a regular lurker [and nobody better
 T> laugh - he's big enough to use that name!]

 Yeah, but doesn't he spell it differently?  Or was that just a kluge to
 keep nitpickers happy in the Dark Pages, and it's as above for real?

 T> What might make more sense  is to go to an MSR-style
 T> rule of armor worn.  [...] plastic doesn't exist therefore a
 T> fighter in full plastic takes shots as if they are naked.

Oooh!  I like it!

 T> The biggest problem I can see with this style [...] is that in the SCA
 T> your armor tends to upscale with your rank and 
 T> abilities. This would leave us
 T> with new fighter Tyro in his pickle-bucket armor very 
 T> frustrated with fighting
 T> Sir Dude, who is wearing full plate.  Anyone see any solutions to this?

 In practice (fighter practice, not practice as opposed to theory), the rules
 could be altered, at least until such time as Tyro gets good enough to defend
 against blows well and throw hard enough blows to count through plate.  OTOH,
 we COULD just say "so much the better, that's how life really was!"  B-)

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From: andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Subject: SCA anonymous ftp archive
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:50:05 GMT

I'm soliciting relevant information to place in my archive of SCA files.
Please let me know if you have something to contribute, or if there's
something you'd like to see.  Here follows the current README file:

-Miklos <andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca>
-----


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