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From: roby@brahms.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Darkman - Different?(YES!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

>... If a company is going to make a really cheesy movie, they should
>warn the consumers. The adds, what little I saw of them, showed an exciting 
 ^^^^
>movie about a new type of hero. When I saw how deceived I had been, I was not
>too happy. 

Something like "The worst stinker this summer!  Opening Friday!"?  :-)
If I could get $6 back for every movie ad that misled me about the movie 
I could probably see 1/3 of the movies for free!  If I don't know whether 
or not I will like a movie, the preview would be the last criterion I 
would use to decide whether to go or not.  Instead, I would read some 
film reviews and/or ask friends about it.

>I think it had the potential to be a good movie. The idea was original and with
>a better director an set of actors it could have been a good movie.

Believe it or not, I went to see it precisely because Raimi was the 
director.  I had seen Evil Dead I and II and was impressed with his 
manic style of direction and camera movement.  This director had taken 
on these first two movies with nearly zero budget and virtually no 
plot and had made them fun to watch!  I thought that was impressive. 

In Darkman, I wanted to see what he would do with a big budget and 
whether or not serious money (i.e., real producers) would blunt his 
style (they didn't).  I had mixed reactions about Darkman:

Excellent scenes:
The opening ("I have seven more points"  -- Brrr...)
The manhole scene (silly and scary)
The carnival scene ("He's a freak!"  -- I thought the carnival barker's 
call at the end was a perfect finish to this scene.  And the scene 
clearly established the "superhero" as someone who is clearly mad -- 
something different in this genre.) 

However, there are scenes I thought were poorly done.  The helicopter 
scene and the crying and dancing in the laboratory were both overdone. 

Overall, I thought the movie was refreshingly different from the 
standard fare.  I think Raimi has potential to grow.  He reminds 
me of a very early DePalma.

>**Matt Reno

As far as Matt's predicament goes, I am reminded of the quote 
from the Star Wars spoof, "Hardware Wars":

"You'll laugh,    You'll cry,   You'll kiss 6 bucks goodbye... "

We all have our own opinions.  The biggest disappointment I ever 
had at the movies was watching Woody Allen's "Stardust Memories".  
Boy were my expectations wrong!

-- 
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Phys.& Astr.Dept.    ///// / /  /  *|*  \  \ \ \\\\\      there you are!"
Univ.of Delaware    ((((( ( (  (  * + *  )  ) ) )))))   -> Buckaroo Banzai
roby@brahms.udel.edu \\\\\ \ \  \  *|*  /  / / /////  -> Mad Max b/y Thunderdome
From: draughn@iitmax.iit.edu (Mark Draughn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Lets clear this T 101/800 thing up.
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:08:38 GMT
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.130250.1@mdcbbs.com>, rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>In article <4596@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil 
>(John Locke) writes:
>> Okay. Here's the skinny on Terminator III. Arnie will have to fend
>> off personal attacks from a Cyberdyne systems 800 series model 
>> 426-1112.
>> Watch out for it.
>> 
>   No, no, no! You've got it wrong. he fends off a Cyberdyne systems
>model 120-A2, the same type that appeared in the first "ALIEN" movie
>(the "twitchy" model).

No no no.  Ash was manufactured by HYPERDYNE not CYBERDYNE.  These are
two COMPLETELY different names---any resemblance is purely an
indication of Cameron's love of techno-speak gobbledygook.  ("Hyper-alloy
combat chassis", "mimetic poly-alloy", etc.)
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From: dollens@equinox.unr.edu (C Blake Dollens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Undubbed version of Mad Max
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:10:40 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

In article <1992Apr14.044201.2650@ucc.su.OZ.AU> smcneil@metro (Shannon McNeil) writes:
>I believe there is a compatability problem between USA/Aus -- the picture
>comes out ok but the sound stuffs up.  The same goes for USA/UK -- You
>Americans should think about changing your system!!!

So true.  If memory serves, Arthur C. Clarke dubbed NTSC "Never The Same
Color twice".  PAL has a slightly higher resolution anyway, so I don't
see why we're still using NTSC other than the obvious reason that it
would be difficult to switch all the machines already out there.
Hopefully, HDTV will completely replace BOTH of them, and we won't have
to worry about it.  :-)
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  -Phil, Mike, and Tony |  one, if it's the kind you're drinking in, to end a
Blake Dollens           |  sentence with a preposition, which I haven't."
dollens@equinox.unr.edu |                            -Walter Slovotsky
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Best Film Swordfights
Organization: Yale Haskell project
	<1992Mar29.195656.29458@cs.yale.edu>
	<1992Mar31.183131.6877@linus.mitre.org>
	<1992Apr6.200312.13993@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:35:41 GMT

dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892) writes:

   [ About "The Court Jester"]

   In article <1992Mar31.183131.6877@linus.mitre.org> sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil) writes:
   >In article <1992Mar29.195656.29458@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
   >>
   >>Well, this film made my "best swordfight" list too.  But the part that
   >>had *me* rolling on the floor was the jousting tournament: "The pellet
   >>with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon..."
   >
   >Wasn't it, "The vessel with the pestle has the poison in the pellet,
   >the flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true"?

   "The chalice from the palace has the potion which is poison (but?) the 
   flagon with the dragon has the brew which is true."

Hmmm.  I happen to have my reference book "The Great Adventure Films"
sitting in front of me, which has these quotes:

   ..."I've put a pellet of poison in the vessle with the pestle"...

   ..."the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true"...

   ..."they have broken the vessel with the pestle" and the poison is
   now in the "flagon with the dragon".

To confuse things even more, there was an episode of 'Allo 'Allo that
did a hilarious send-up of this scene, including "the pill in the
till" and "the gateau from the chateau"!

-Sandra
From: gl1e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Greg G Levrault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Danny Kaye is God (was Re: Best Film Swordfights)
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:39:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wdsUW6200Uh7I5PHt7
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Now that we've effectively gotten off the subject of swordfights, and
into Danny Kaye, I'd like to ask if anyone has a list of Danny Kaye
films.  I'm still trying to collect them all, but I don't know half of
them.

My list so far:
Wonder Man
The Kid from Brooklyn
The Court Jester
Hans Christian Andersen
White Christmas
The Secret Life of Walter MItty
Five Pennies(?)
The Inspector General

He also made a 70s Disney special and a Pinnochio TV movie, but cut down
to dedicate time to UNICEF.
He made appearences in Twilight Zone(80's) and Cosby Show before he died
in 89(?)

Anyway, can anyone think of other performances he did?  E-mail, unless
you think r.a.c.movies should check this stuff out too.  Thanx.
If anyone knows any more of the films to look for, I"d appreciate it.
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From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: T2 - Why didn't Sarah die???
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:18:28 GMT

bperles@iastate.edu (Brian P Perles) writes:

>In <1992Apr6.022851.11042@unlinfo.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:

>>jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne) writes:

>>>Wait a minute here.  In T2, the T1000 pins Sarah to a wall, and tries
>>>to make her call to John.  She refuses.  He had the required physical
>>>contact with her to assume her form, why didn't he kill her right then???

>>He needed a voice sample as well.  She unwittingly gave it to him with
>>her curse.

>>The "physically contact" thing though is strange.  Why not take the
>>visual record and reform, and add the sound sample?

>	I think the T1000 just left her for dead, like he did to Arnold.
>Hey, after he put that spike through her sholder, I didnt think she was 
>getting up!

T-1000 was almost certainly about to "off" Sarah when The Terminator almost  
chopped T-1000 in half with the bar. During the following fight Sarah escaped.

>			brian (thats all)
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Stephen King
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:41:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <54676@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.201435.28986@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gfm@ccs.northeastern.edu (george f mcbay) writes:
> >In article <92101.184213IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> >>Stephen King not only had a cameo appearance in Pet Semetary as the priest
> >>presiding over the little boy's funeral, but King also wrote the screenplay.
> 
> >	I could be wrong but I've heard that King's "thing" is to make 
> >Cameo apperances in any movie he wrote the screenplay for
> >(Though the only other movie I can think of right now is Maximum Overdrive)
> 
> He was also in 'Creepshow'.

Ah, yes.  He's the Alfred Hitchcock of the 90s.



Not.


GMS
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: The Zapruder Film (?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:30:33 GMT


All this talk about JFK reminded me of a related question.

Some years ago, on an "In Search Of..." type show, there was an episode on
the Kennedy assasination. I seem to recall that there was a film taken
at the time (I assume the Zapruder film) which was very blurry and jerky
due to the fact that the camera was hand held. The show said that
someone painstakingly "aligned" each frame in the film to common reference
points and made a copy, thus eliminating much of the jerkiness. The show
went on to say that this new version of the film clearly revealed the
fatal head shot.

In the last few months, I've watched several of the documentaries on JFK
(starting with A&E's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy") but no mention was
made of any "aligning" of a jerkily shot film, and all the Zapruder
footage looks reasonably stable.

Is my memory playing tricks on me? Or was all the Zapruder footage shown
in the documentaries "aligned" even though no mention was made of the
fact? Is there another film? Should I be crossposting this to
alt.conspiracy? ;-)

BTW, I haven't seen Stone's film yet - I'm waiting for it to come out on
LaserDisc. ;-)

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From: gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus)
Subject: Re: THUNDERHEART
Organization: CIMMS/The University of Oklahoma, Norman
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.180629.8055@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.r.leeper) writes:
>     Rating: -1 (-4 to +4).
>
>
>     Oh, heck, I know director Michael Apted's heart was in the right place,
>but John Fusco's script was just awful.  Twenty-five years ago this would
>have been a good script but it has been used, with variations, just too
>often.  And the Indians who have been handed so many injustices deserve a

First off, I loved the movie.  I thought it did a great job of fusing 
humor with the rage these people must have been feeling.  I also believe
the screenplay was based on a true story.  As for being done before, how
many movies are TRULY original?  Just because it's been done doesn't 
degrade it's value.

>been used too many times.  And for one more cheap shot, the film leaves
>ambiguous if Indian magic might be working.  I thought that went out with
>BILLY JACK.  Native Americans don't have any magic any more than anyone else
>does.  I wish they did.  Maybe if they did, they could use it to get some
>justice.  But Apted uses trick photography and staged scenes to imply you
>really can see ghost dancers who disappear in a flash or to imply that a man
>might have turned himself into a deer.  Indians are not great magical people
>who live half in a spirit world.  They are just a group of ethnic peoples
>who have been cheated and exploited and who desperately need a little bit of
>justice.  Throwing them a bone by implying that their magic really breaks
>the laws of physics is just not what they need.  If enough people confuse

But a lot of their culture (or what is left of it) is based on this 
"magic", as you call it.  What you don't realize is this was (and still
is, for a lot of indians) their religion.  Don't you think when they 
watch something like the baptism scene in the Godfather that this
appears like magic?  And as for defying the laws of physics, is that
sort of like the parting of the Red Sea?  How about walking on 
water?

>plot is so thoroughly worn out, they give it to the Indians.  I give
>THUNDERHEART a -1 on the -4 to +4 scale.
>

I'd give it a 2.

Gary McManus
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Who's Spider-Man? and Highlander wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:33:05 GMT

<RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Everyone probably knows about the Spider-Man movie that James Cameron is
>gonna do but if anyone can find a better actor to play Spider-Man than Keanu
>Reeves, you gotta tell me.

Hmmm...a better actor than Keanu "Johnny Utah" Reeves...hmmm.  Let's see,
for the role of Peter Parker...hmmm...gee, this'll be hard, he's *so* good
in those Bill & Ted epics, and POINT BREAK...well, I'll try.  Michael
Biehn (who may be a *bit* too old, admittedly); John Cusack (who may be a
*bit* too tall); Bill Campbell (who may fear typecasting).

At any rate, while each of the above actors has his drawbacks, all three men
are at least good enough to be considered actors.

>[T]he only minus is the funny way he talks but I'm sure most people
>overlook that, Schwarzzenegger talks kinda funny too.

Oh, *good* defense...
--------
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From: pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: Re: Why Horror?
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:40:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.232700.10173@uwm.edu> alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) writes:
>One of my favorites would be "The Prince of Darkness" which gets just the
>most horrendous reviews, and is on many "Worst..." lists. 
>Anyone agree with me that this is a top-notch horror flick???

I agree in some respect. Its not one of the best by Carpenter, but definately
not among the worst either. This is again one example of a horror movie that
works better when you give a bit of thought to it. Those liquid 
spitting humans weren't scary and surprising (maybe that's why some people
didn't like the movie so much, because they didn't get easy thrills from
them) and the film was otherwise quite standard Carpenter movie with
siege situation and so on. But the film had some excellent ideas that 
became very frightening when you paid them a bit more attention. 

One idea: messages from the future for warning people about events to 
come (very scary.....the situation in the future has gone so bad that
people of the future has to send these messages, because its too late 
for them to do nothing else!)

Second idea: The Evil is the only thing thats *real*.
Christ was a human like extraterrestial race that came to warn people
about this evil and because he gained popularity among normal people,
he was killed (what an explanation to Bible and Christianity!!). Priests
were just salesmen that gave people "what they wanted to hear", so they
lied and kept this horrendos secret. 

PLUS, the encredible ending! I really love it. There's many ways you can see
the ending, but here's one: they have won nothing after their battle earlier
against those "evil people". The devil is awakening and there's nothing you 
can do about it. Maybe you CAN`T change the future significantly and all this 
fighting was just normal course of events and they were all working, without 
knowing, for these events to take place! And the ending worked on other level 
also: when the guy in the very end is touching the mirror, I thought while
first time watching the film: "Yeah, sure...and now some stupid big red hand
comes out of the mirror and graps the hand of the man".......BUT NO, Carpenter
failed the expectations of the audience and cuts straight to the end credits!!!
I love the man for that! (oh yes, and there's also that wonderfull score by
Carpenter and Alan Howarth. Definately one of the best scores they have made.)

all this is, of course, IMO.
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From: bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Thunderheart
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:11:36 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


I just saw Thunderheart, a 'fictional' movie about the native american land
rights conflict in the midwest.  This movie is potentially more explosive than
JFK, but for one thing:  This movie is made out to be a crime-drama starring
Val Kilmer as a green FBI agent working with a veteran played by Sam Sheppard.

No where does it claim this has anything to do with reality.  In fact, I stayed
for the entire credits and it has the standard disclaimer at the end:  "Any
similarity to real events or characters is purely coincidental."  NOT!

I have been reading a book on this stuff called "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse"
and this is a very real issue.  Also, in the credits it has "Dennis Banks as
himself."  Dennis Banks is a very big name in the American Indian Movement.
In the movie it is referred to A.R.M., so as not to let anyone think this is
a movie about real stuff.  Or were they afraid that A.I.M. would sue?  Who
made this film?  If it had been produced by Oliver Stone I wouldn't have been
surprised.

I thought Val Kilmer as the slightly hedonistic Jim Morrison was great.  But I
thought he wasn't cast very well for this roll, an inexperienced FBI agent of
some indian blood who goes from trigger-happy law enforcer to learning the
reality behind what is going on in South Dakota.  Some of the indians in this
film are truely great, and I wonder which of them was Dennis Banks, since I
have been reading so much about him.  A good idea for a film, but I don't know
that it was done as well as it might have been.


Ben.


Ben Williams
bew@brahms.udel.edu

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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: The Sea Hawk questions
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 07:18:35 GMT

>      1) Fritz Leiber is listed as playing a judge in this film.
> 	Does anyone know the relation between this man and the 
> 	author of the sword and sorcery series about Fafhrd and
> 	The Gray Mouser?  (Same person?  Relatives?  Coincidence?)

The actor is the author's father.  From "The Science-Fiction Encyclopedia"
edited by Peter Nicholls (published in 1979 and still the best general
reference on SF), in the entry on the author:

    "The Big Time", which takes place entirely in one room, is
    suggestive of a play in prose form, and thus reflects FL's
    background in theatre (both his parents were Shakespearian
    actors and his father appeared in many films -- FL has himself
    acted both on the stage and on the screen, including a small
    part in the Greta Garbo film "Camille").
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From: gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus)
Subject: Re: THUNDERHEART
Organization: CIMMS/The University of Oklahoma, Norman
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:42:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.110859.6389@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.021653.21649@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus) writes:
>
>> In
>> I don't think they were trying to make that implication.  When the
>> female character said that about him, I kinda thought she was just
>> messing with him.
>
>At the end of the badger scene Jimmy Looks Twice disappears and in
>the back of the scene there is suddenly a deer jumping over a fence.
>This in a place where it would be uncommon normally for a deer to

Why would it be uncommon for a deer to be here?  I can see where the
implication could have been made, so I guess any opinion could be 
right.

>Then later the teacher, who I don't think
>knows about the incident, says that Jimmy can turn himself into a
>deer.  That is a pretty strong indication to me.
Actually, she said she saw him cross the road in front of her, and 
he turned into some kind of animal(a wolf or something).  As for
her not knowing about the incident, there is almost no way she 
couldn't know.  After he got away, they searched the school and just
about everywhere else on the res.  I couldn't imagine her missing
out on all the activity.
>

Gary Mc.
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Censorship of nudity (was Re: Photo of minor)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:27:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: brahms.28733
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <12013.29e1d40a@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> farrell@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

[In response to lists of full-frontal male shots in the movies:]

>I thought this thread was originally about the claim that in movies there 
>are many more frontal nudity scenes of females than of males? 

Nope, not at all.  It was in response to someone saying that there had
never (the infant Superman aside) been a shot of male genitalia in a
non-X (or NC-17) movie.  A lot of other people also seem to think that a
frontal male shot is an "automatic X."  The lists have been offered as
proof that this is NOT so, and never has been.

>And not about making a list of every movie that contained a scene of Full-
>Frontal Nudity (FFN).  That would be a very long list!  ;-)

Well, longer for women than for men.  But the latter would still be a
quite substantial list.

Jon Alan Conrad
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