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From: dl@cube.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: questions about N.E. usa skiing
Reply-To: dl@thumper.bellcore.com
Organization: Packet Communications Research Group (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:32:20 GMT

I'm trying to decide between the following Mountains for a weeks worth of 
skiing, and would appreciate any suggestions, experiences, gripes, etc.

sugarbush, vt
smugglers notch, vt
loon mtn. nh
sugarloaf mn.

I'm looking for info you can't get from the brochures, such as
crowds, grooming, andf lift lines.
Thanks alot for any info.

dan
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From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Kastle RX response
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: kenb@vice.ico.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Thanks for the response on these skis.

About the only thing I DON'T like about them
is that they are heavy.......


Bergermeister
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:00:06 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 10/16 Jobs
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: twhitmir@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Timothy Whitmire)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SLC Area Discount Lift Tickets?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:29:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Can you purchase single day lift tickets for a discount in the Salt Lake Area?
  (Park City, Deer Valley, Brighton, Alta, Snowbird)

Please e-mail your response.
Thanks in advance!

Tim

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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: Hunter Mtn and Penn skiing???
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:38:57 GMT

fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi) writes:

>I will be doing some East Coast traveling over the holiday's and wouldn't
>mind trying to squeeze in some skiing/snowboarding.  I'll be anywhere
>from Philadelphia to New York City for a couple days.  A friend suggested
>Hunter Mtn in New York.  I was looking for suggestions as well as any
>info on other ski areas in Pennsylvania or New York ??

If you like long lift lines and crowded slopes, then Hunter is the
place for you!  Especially on weekends and holidays. I've been to
Hunter on New Year's Day with minimal crowds...however this year
the 1st is a Friday, and that could be a problem....

Blue Mountain, north of Allentown, PA, has morning hours beginning
at 7:00......get a morning ticket from 7-12:30....especially on
weekends.......

Places to avoid totally are Shawnee, Camelback, Jack Frost.......

********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

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From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snow reports for PA and MD?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:31:40 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A74E48B877015C5D@joe.gsfc.nasa.gov>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:31:36 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

I tried connecting to madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000, but they had no information
for ski resorts in Pennsylvania and Maryland.  Is there any other on-line
source for up to date snow reports?

Steve
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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:08:43 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Ellen M. Sentovich (ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:

> Squaw has definitely closed the mountain run during periods of lean 
> snow [..] I have experienced other instances like that mentioned in
> Doug's message.

 True enough. I guess when I read the original message I understood it to
 be implying that the *good* snow is saved for the weekends, which is not
 the case. 

: After heavy snow, it takes them a while to avalanche blast and get
: all the lifts/runs open.  They manage to get through this routine much
: more quickly on the weekends than on the weekdays. 

 Also true, but it's not really a case of "saving" particular areas as much
 as it is a problem of personnell. There are far more patrollers on the
 hill on the weekends so it is possible to do a *lot* more blasting in
 the mornings.
 
> I have been there many times on weekdays when Olympic Lady never opened
> (and heavy snow was not the reason). 

 Nope...this one is pure economics. There aren't enough skiers on the 
 weekdays to make running Oly Lady economically feasable. In fact, it's
 often very uncrowded on the weekends! Add to this the fact that 100.00%
 of the Oly Lady terrain is accessable from KT22 and you'll see why the
 chair doesn't run on the weekdays.

> Is there anything besides Palisades that has frequently been open
> weekdays but not weekends? 

 Not that I know of.

> I assume they close it on the weekends so the infrequently-skiing 
> tourons don't do damage to themselves...

 DING! Correct! :-) Also so that they don't come screaming out of the
 chutes and plow into the hoards of beginners/intermediates.

 ..glen
From: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Follow-Up...Conditions N.Tahoe, Etc.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:55:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: couloir


Well yes, the conditions were just fine last
weekend weren't they?

ALPINE: (a little scary)

Friday Alpine, 2' Fresh Powder with 2" per hour snowfall
all day.  Followed a 3-pinner over to Palisades (I think this
is the run name, it's a left traverce past the alpine bowl 
chair), after watching him fall and butt-slide the entire 
center chute I took a smaller one to the right.  At the
lower section my head-plant triggered a small avalance
that was somewhat disconcerting. Took 1/2 hr to find other 
ski and other pole buried 3' under (foolishly w/o powder cords). 

Later in the day they closed Alpine Bowl and were doing some
major blasting.  (also somewhat disconcerting).  Scott chair 
was open on and off with fine conditions.

SQUAW: (nearly perfect in every way)

Storm broke Sat. Squaw was partly cloudy with some wind. 2-4' Fresh. 
YES, the traverse to O.Lady was d place all morning. 
Headwall was closed and I didn't see any tracks.  The
traverse over there from Siberia is a bit more extreme
than KT->O.lady.  Tram ride up in the afternoon provided my
1st look at Silverado Lift. Never been skied by mere 
customers. Looks 2nd only to KT.  Closed because they still
needed MORE snow.  Granite Cheif also closed.

It was demo day and I am in the market so I tried:

	Salomon 2S
	Volkl SP9
	Rossignol 7XK
	K2 TN'C 
	Fisher RS Super

What a nice change from my tired old logs!

MHO of these skies later...

- Doug
From: tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Tahoe (Northstar) report 12/12/92
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:12:00 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Truely great conditions; knee deep powder everywhere off the groomed runs,
no crwods.  It looks like the Tahoe areas are set to be 100% open for the
winter.  Coming up Friday night we had to put on chains down at Blue Canyon,
which makes the trip a bit longer.  Saturday was overcast, most chain 
requirements were off.  Northstar suited us well as intermediate skiers.
We skiied all our legs could take; I didn't get to some of the runs I wanted
for lack of energy.  

Sunday we planned to go to Sugar Bowl, but when we got there (about 10 am),
the wind was blowing so hard we decided to take the day off instead.  Later
I talked to people who had skiied there that day; the upper lifts hardly ran
because of the wind; people were crowded on the Christmas Tree lift, so in
addition to only charging $25 for the day, they gave $20 coupons for the 
next visit.  All the Donner Summit areas looked pretty windblown that day.

Tom
From: ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:35:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: opua.berkeley.edu


In article <Bz3s3w.I4C@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
|> Doug Warren (dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
|> 
|> > Seems like sometimes Squaw "saves" the good stuff 
|> > (advanced lifts/runs) for the weekend crowds.
|> 
|>  Hmm...not really. In fact, it may be the opposite. The palisades, for
|>  instance, are rarely if ever open on a weekend but are often open on
|>  weekdays (there are good reasons for this). Other than that I know of
|>  no policy regarding "saving" particular areas for any reason.
|> 
|>  ..glen

Glen, I know you're the expert, BUT...  Squaw has definitely closed
the mountain run during periods of lean snow (e.g., end of February
1991), so they could save the snow for the weekend crowds.  This is
an extreme case, and who really cares about the mountain run (just
treat the beginners like moving gates!), but I have experienced other
instances like that mentioned in Doug's message.

After heavy snow, it takes them a while to avalanche blast and get
all the lifts/runs open.  They manage to get through this routine much
more quickly on the weekends than on the weekdays.  I have been there
several times after a storm on a weekday when the Chief never did open -
but they manage to get it open on the weekends.  I have been there many
times on weekdays when Olympic Lady never opened (and heavy snow was
not the reason).  The lift tickets cost the same on the weekdays, but the
mountain certainly isn't as open as it is on the weekends.

Is there anything besides Palisades that has frequently been open
weekdays but not weekends?  I assume they close it on the weekends so
the infrequently-skiing tourons don't do damage to themselves...


		- Ellen

-- 
		  Ellen M. Sentovich
		  Dept of EECS
		  UC Berkeley
		  ellen@ic.berkeley.edu
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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:28:06 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Topher the Gustie (censtad@dion.gac.edu) wrote:

> Definetly screwed up your opinion I'd say.  Snowboarders have the same  
> attitudes as some skiiers don't they? I've certainly seen my share of
> skiiers with the wrong attitude.

 I started to write a long reply to this one, but it's not worth it. My
 attitude toward snowboarding and snowboarders is that the sport looks
 like a whole hell of a lot of fun and as soon as a certain segment of
 the participants mature a little all of this snowboarder vs skier nonsense
 will go away.

.glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Weather Channel Ski Reports!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:53:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, peter@neocad.com (Peter Dombrowski) says:

>
>	WARNING!!  Having seen the Weather Channel's ski reports and having
>monitored ski conditions here (Colorado) for several years, I have concluded
>that their reports are basically garbage.  Their claims for surface conditions
>(powder vs. packed powder vs. whatever) are frequently way off base (no pun
>intended :-), and their reports of new snowfall can be mystifying.  I have seen
>new snowfall reported when it hasn't snowed in over a week, and powder
>conditions reported when hardpack was the rule.  The only data they give that
>seems to be reasonably accurate is base amount, and we all no how misleading
>that can be!!  My advice is to pay the dime and call the ski areas directly
>(many of them actually have 800 numbers for current conditions).  Has anyone
>from other parts of the US noticed this?
Yes...between the weather channel & accu-weather...they are both
garbage. 


>

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)
Subject: Learn on short or long skis? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:10:43 +0000


In article <1992Dec16.052833.12053@netcom.com> mdb@netcom.com writes:

>
>Basic question: If an intermediate (trying to carve turns, basically
>skidding them, no real independence of lower body yet...) tried using
>high-performance skis (e.g., a high-end Salomon slalom ski) and boots,
>would it be HARDER to turn and generally control the skis (assuming a
>length appropriate for the ability level) then using lower-end, more
>forgiving/ easier flex skis & boots?  Something tells me that it nver
>hurts to use high-end stuff, even if you're learning... I know with
>golf clubs, once you get past a certain beginning level it definitely
>helps to have better clubs - but even there, "shaft flex" is
>important; does one have to be at a certain level in order to properly
>use stiffer skis & boots????
>-- 
>
>Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
>
>
Very stiff boots can be painful for someone learning to ski. Dont see the
harm in intermediates using something like say, a 4SK though.
J.
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Keywords: short/long
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:38:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

mmendel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mark Mendel) writes:

> In article <djm.723860511@phobos> djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills) writes:
> 
> >
> >There are three main things affected by ski length:
> >	- inertial stability -- easy of turning,
> >	- camber -- weight distribution, and
> >	- friction -- edge grip
> >
> >The first category.  The shorter the skis, the easier they are to turn. 
> 

  blah blah blah stuff deleted...

> 	 Ski turns come in two flavors, carved and windshield-wipered
> (most turns are some combination of the two).  In a windshield-wipered turn,
> the ski skides laterally as it turns, following trajectory not unlike the
> automobile part named after this turn.  

  ok so far... tho there are more 'turns' than this eh ?

 
> 	Carved turns are harder to understand.  Following
> the description in  How the Racers Ski (by Whitterell, if I am not mistaken) 
> if you put a ski on a flat surface and tilt it onto one of its edges,  becaus
> of its sidecut (i.e. the ski is wider in the tip and tail) the edge will only
> touch down only at the tip and the tail.  Now bend the ski backwards into 
> reverse camber (by wieghting the ski) and keep bending until the whole 
> edge makes contact with the flat surface.   Guess what?   The line of contact
> of the edge with the surface is actually an arc.  Turn the flat surface into
> snow, and start moving the ski forward and will follow that arc, making a 
> wonderful turn with no lateral motion (i.e. no sliding sideways).  Turn the 
> snow into ice and it still works just fine.  You cannot do that with a 
> windshield wiper.

  excellent explanation of mechanism in carving.
 
> The difference between long skis and short skis is that:	
> Long skis carve, and short skis windshield-wiper.      

  HUH ???? To qoute a paraphrase a phamous physics type:
  "This is'nt right, it is'nt even wrong !!"

  The difference the skier, not the skis.  I carve equally well on 160's
  as I do on 207's.  The important mechanism is the sidecut & reverse camber
  combination.  Given sidecut, a competent skier will be able to carve
  a turn by the mechanism you describe on any length ski except perhaps
  one that is too long for their weight & ability.

  

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From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:52:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

people, let's cut the bullshit.  There are as many skiers that suck as there are snowboarders, lets learn to get along with each other, at least on the slopes(This is recreation, REMEMBER!).


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From: torenvl@ecf.toronto.edu (TORENVLIET GERARD LAWRENS)
Subject: FIS skiing pool...
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:40:37 GMT

Good afternoon (morning, evening, night, as the case may be),

I've heard about pools for hockey, basketball, football, so how about we
bring a pool to the best sport in the universe...yes, that's it folks, an 
FIS skiing pool.  Maybe a few of us could get together and put something into
motion.

If you have any ideas how to start one of these, how to keep score, etc., and
would like to help out to start one, email me <torenvl@ecf.toronto.edu>.

Regards,
Gerard
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: marshab@apex.com (Marsha Bates)
Subject: Wanted:  Whistler Condo information
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: regional
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:27:04 GMT

I lost an article about a 4 bedroom condo available in Whistler
available for $1000/week.  If you sent it out, or know of 
something similar that is available, please email me at
uunet!apex!marshab.

More specifically, I am looking for something in Whistler Village
for 6 - 10 people at the end of January or beginning of February.

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Nirvana
Reply-To: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:13:40 GMT

	I just spent a sublime day "studying for exams" aty Fernie Sownow Valley.
Lots of fresh powder- no people (and it was Saturday!)  If any Western 
Canucks or Northwestern AmeYankees who live in the Northwest want to have a great day skiing,
go here!!!  Lift tickets are $30, and(0 (CAN), adn nd I think it's worth every penny.
	Sorry if I seem to be gushing, but this was my firsyt time skining this
year, and one of the best day trips I've evrer had.

	Michelle
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Bear Valley Condition, CA
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE CORPORATION
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:32:53 GMT


I went skiing this past weekend. The amount of snow is incredible.
The lower part of the mountain was not open due to too much snow!
They were dynamiting the lower part to get it open for Sunday.
Unfortunately high winds didn't allow for lifts to operate on
Sunday. So before you go make sure, that you call them.


Captain Zod...
zod@ncube.com


Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: Avalanche Transceivers
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:42:44 GMT

--In article <Dec11.181237.45836@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
|>
|>I'm looking for a discount source for avalanche transceivers.  Mail
|>order would be fine.  If you can help, please send email.
|> 
|>Thanks,

If you should find such an animal, please post it.
why are these things so damned expensive?



Later...................................Rich
Rich Petty (rpetty@mu.sim.es.com)                               
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Bear Valley Conditions, CA
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE CORPORATION
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:48:10 GMT

I skied at Bear Valley, CA this past weekend.
They did not have the lower slopes open due to
too much snow! They were dynamiting the lower
part. Trying to get it open for Sunday. Comes
Sunday, and the Gusts of wind started to blow.
They had the lifts closed on Sunday. I called
Kirkwood. They had the same situation. But so
much snow, it was unbelievable. We are supposed
to get more snow/rain this coming weekend and
it is still blowing hard.


---



Captain Zod...
zod@ncube.com

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: Kevin_bailey@qmgate.anl.gov (Kevin Bailey)
Subject: newbie snowboard ??'s
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:17:08 GMT


What advice do you give someone who wants to try snowboarding? 
I saw there is to be a FAQ section devoted to shreding.....when?... ftp
site???
What do I wanna know?

I live in the midwest (IL) so just tooling down to Colorado is just not
going to happen, soon.  What's up in Michigan and Wisconsin? 

Thanks,
Kevin 

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Kevin_Bailey@qmgate.anl.gov

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From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:00:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Powder
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> 
> I posted this article earlier. But I did not get any response yet.
>

You wanted a response...?
 
> How does one ski the fresh powder, or the used powder?

One skis fresh powder with a big grin and lots of whoops and screams of 
joy.  Used powder is a lot more work, and usually I grunt.

> My skies tend to go different directions in those powders!

My skies tend to be either overcast, or sunny and clear when I'm in powder.

> At some points I even get them crossed, and result in a fall.

When my summer skies get crossed, it results in Autumn.


Happy now?

John
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Whistler where?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:37:49 GMT

In article <meharg.724361268@sfu.ca> meharg@fraser.sfu.ca (Gersham William  
Meharg) writes:
> 
> I dont really know of any cheap places to stay in Whistler since its a
> 2.5hr drive from where I live. I dont think there are many cheap
> places at Whistler, its an expensive resort (last time I checked, lift
> tickets were $48).
> 
If you have a car there are a lot of suites for rent in private homes
for about $30/night.  Then there are the "club cabins" in the $20 range.
These are dorm style, but offer laundry, sauna, hot tub facilities.
The University of B.C. runs one such lodge.  You should be able to get
discounted hotel rooms in town by April.  
 
Discount lift tickets are available from Save-on-Foods/Overwaitea for
Whistler and Super-Valu/Extra Foods for Blackcomb.  There's an
Overwaitea in Squamish.  Tickets are $37.45 for either mountain.
 
Bruce
From: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Grand Canyon - any X-Country skiing there?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:42:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: golfcart.corp.sun.com

A friend and I plan to spend the last week of Dec. around the Grand
Canyon just for fun.  I assume there must be lots of good X-country
skiing around there.  Has anyone done it?  Are there rentals nearby?
Any especially good areas?

All info appreciated and if there is enough interest I will summarize.

Thanks,
Barbara



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