From: tcwan@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:11:16 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR
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[I don't know how to followup an article in the digest posted to NEWS, sorry]

Subject: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts

-- included message follows --
>Hi folks,
>
>While upgrading our MAC Lab for the semester's crop of students, I found
>that Excel 4.0 didn't want to work.
>
>I upgraded a client to System 7.1 -- it diligently moved all 50 fonts
>into the Fonts folder and removed all the old stuff; as it should. I
>rebooted the MAC and everything worked as normal except Excel 4.0.
>(NOTE: MAC refers to an se/30, se, or LC all having 4MB ram. I tried it
>on them all)

[details about clean install of Sys 7.1 deleted]

>Of course, I called Microsoft yesterday and got a friendly tech. that
>had heard of the problem. He basically siad that they were aware of the
>problem and that Fonts came into to play. Microsoft is currently
>researching this difficulty and promised a call back.

>This note is more to save some of you aggravation; assuming that you see
>or have seen the problem. I have thought of using a suitcase 'type'
>utility, but really don't see a need to buy for short term use. I would
>greatly appreciate a note if you have seen this problem.

>c ya,

>-Bob Martin -- Graphics@eku.bitnet
-- end included msg --

Well, I found that in Sys 7.01 + Tuneup 1.1.1, Excel does run with lots
of fonts (ie > 20) but very sluggishly, under the following conditions:
1) VM is on (I have a IIsi with 5 MB RAM)
2) Fonts are stored in suitcases, not installed directly in the System file
   and opened using Suitcase or some similar utility.

The symptom: excessive paging, opening the add on manager takes about 5
minutes (!!).

It seems like Excel does not like fonts that are not installed in the system
file. I tried putting lots of fonts into the system file, and Excel runs
normally. Once the number of fonts opened using Suitcase exceeds 20 or so
families, the performance degrades rapidly. (I divided the fonts into three
suitcases, with about 20 families in the first suitcase).

I haven't tried checking with Tech support. Figured that the VM + suitcase
configuration isn't really a common setup, and previous posting on the net
resulted in about two people reporting similar symptoms. I guess now that
Sys. 7.1 puts all the fonts in external suitcases, this'll be a real issue.

There is definitely something wrong with the way Excel handle large number
of fonts. The question is what's the problem, and when will Microsoft fix it?

t.c.
#I speak for myself, obviously :)

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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 06:27:25+080
From: smoliar@iss.nus.sg (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: System 7.1 Compatibility Revisited

Charles J. Wertz writes that his HyperCard 2.0 which came with his System
6.0.7
is incompatible with System 7.1.  Indeed, the Classic I bought when machines
were first being released with System 7.0 came with HyperCard 2.1  The System
7.1 Compatibility Checker claims there is now a HyperCard 2.1v1, although the
old 2.1 IS supposed to run under 7.1.  (I also understand that HyperCard is no
longer being bundled with new Macintosh products.  All you get is some
stripped-down "reader.")  Being stuck out in Singapore, I tried to find
out more about HyperCard 2.1v1 by sending electronic mail to
Claris@claris.com.
This mail was bounced with a "Claris. . . User unknown" error message from
claris.com.  I then sent an inquiry to postmaster@claris.com which received
neither a bounce error message nor a response.  Does anyone know the story
on HyperCard 2.1v1 or have a reliable electronic mail address for Claris?

 ------

Stephen W. Smoliar; Institute of Systems Science
National University of Singapore; Heng Mui Keng Terrace
Kent Ridge, SINGAPORE 0511
Internet:  smoliar@iss.nus.sg

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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 12:39:11 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <cbuser@pegasus.ch>
Subject: System7 installation over network (C)

Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu> WRITES IN iNFO-mAC v11-004:
>i just attempted and failed to install system 7.0.1 over a network.
>i have the disk images on a mac running 7.0. the computer i wanted to
>install on is an SE/30 running 6.something. they are connected via ethernet.
>first i mounted the disks on the donor mac's desktop using mountimage.
>then from the recipient mac i connected to the donor mac using the chooser.
>i opened the desktop folder but the disks were not there. so i opened
>mountimage on the recipient mac and tried to mount the image files on its
>desktop. th eimage files were in a folder on the desktop and mountimage
>did not see them. the finder did though. so i gave up so how can i install
>system 7 over the network.i can't just bring the image files to the
>recipient mac since theres not enough room on the hard drive.

I don't know if "my solution" would work - I have no opportunity to try
it - but here it is.

The REGISTERED shareware version of DiskDup+ 2.1 (or later?) from
Roger Bates can mount disk images on a Mac's desktop - They appear just
like your harddisk or any floppy inserted in a drive. Do this in your
computer running 7.x, enable sharing of these disks and get to them
>From the SE/30 with Sys 6.x. If they are mounted as remote volumes, it
might work. I don't promise, however.

By the way - DiskDup+ can not do that if it is not registered. You'll get
a code after registration which you would enter once, and then all
features are enabled and the "please register"-message will no longer come
up. Roger Bates is somewhere in Oregon - don't at present remember the
exact address, but if you don't find it, I'll search my pile of diskettes
at home. I know it is there SOMEWHERE.

Let me know if it worked.

Best regards, Christian                        cbuser@pegasus.ch

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Date: 7 Jan 93 11:43:26-0500
From: /PN=JOHN.WITHERS/O=IRS/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com
Subject: Text file printing question

Hello all.

Please excuse me if this is a FAQ.

What is the preferred method for printing text files from the Finder?

I have a user who downloads text files from a Unix system and then
needs to print them.  We have been loading them into MacWrite, setting
the font to Courier (Unix is monospaced - usually) and printing on
the network LaserWriter.  There has to be a better way.  Unfortunatly,
this is a Pee-Cee shop, all our 'experts' here tell her to "copy the
file to Pee Are Enn" ;-) and then leave laughing.  I became involved
due to the fact that I have a Mac LC at home.

Any and all help will be sincerly appreciated.

John Withers

By the way, the system is a Mac Plus (1MB) using system 6.0.5 (I think)

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:27 GMT
From: <LANKTON%COLOLASP.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Type Manipulation (A)

>I'm doing camera ready proofs of a textbook for my publisher, and
>would like to create some elementary special effects with large
>type for the frontispiece, section dividers, etc. For example,
>I might want to print large letters in some shade of grey with
>a 1 or 2-point black outline round eachletter, or do something with drop
>shadows, and so on. Does anyone have any recommendations for software
>for this kind of thing - say a drawing program with unusual
>type manipulation capacities?

A good way to have some fun with this is to get a copy of the
Postscript Tutorial and Cookbook (the "Blue Book") from Addison-Wesley
and program the Postscript code yourself. The book has many
examples of how to do exactly what you are looking for. All it takes
is a text editor, the LaserWriter Font Utility (to send the Postscript
files to the printer) and the energy and interest to copy very
short (ten or twenty lines) programs from the examples.

It's pretty good entertainment, and you might find yourself creating
some very original and striking graphics.

Have fun,
Mark Lankton (lankton@zodiac.span.nasa.gov)

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Date: 7 Jan 93 07:52:00 CST
From: "Eugene Cohen" <eugene@rover.uchicago.edu>
Subject: WordPerfect PC translator

I've got ClarisWorks and need to translate its word processing files to
WordPerfect 5.1 for the IBM.  I could use the XTND translator to v4.2, but
that doesn't convert Italics or Point size changes.  Since I'm using Apple
File Exchange anyway, I could deal with a Claris Works <--> WordPerfect PC 5.0
translator.  In short I need either an XTND or AFE translator for ClarisWorks
word processing to WordPerfect PC 5.1 (or 5.0--same file format).

eugene cohen
eugene@rover.bsd.uchicago.edu

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:37:36 CST
From: Robert Blystone <RBLYSTON@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject: WORM CD-ROM

I am seeking information about WORM CD-ROM products such as the
Kodak PCD Writer 200.  The possibility of "burning" a CD-ROM for under
$50 is quite exciting.  It would be a great backup approach and a good
way to store Lab Data.  Do any netters have experience with such products
and the associated software?  Questions arise as to maximizing routines,
compatibility, and error checking.  Should one develop a disk that is a
"best seller", how easy is it to use the WORM disk as a master for multiple
copies at a commercial pressing house?  Any information will be appreciated.
Robert Blystone, Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas  RBLYSTON@Trinity.edu

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:34:11 PST
From: MFeldman.OSBU_South@xerox.com
Subject: YACC and LEX for the Mac?

I am looking for MAC programs that perform the same functions as LEX and YACC
in the Unix environment.  They should be usable with Think C.


Thanks!

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