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From: mag1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (michael.a.giden)
Subject: Re: Electronics Wholesalers a Rip-Off
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.212117.26916@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, dmlkm@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.e.montalbano) writes:
> 11 days ago I ordered a Dolby Surround Stereo Receiver
> from Electronic Wholesalers (1166 Hamburg TPKE.  Wayne 
> New Jersey 800-444-6300/201-696-6531).  6 days later
> I received it via UPS.  After a 2 days of use,
> my wife and I agreed that the surround sound was awful.
> We have heard many other AV receivers' surround and was
> impressed.  Not with this one.
> 
> So we called EW back and asked them if we could exchange
> or return it.  They said if it has not been open we could
> return it.  Otherwise no returns or exchanges.  
> the fact that I stopped payment.  He hung up on me too.
In NJ, a merchant has to advertise their return policy.  If they do not,
the customer is entitled to a CASH REFUND.  This policy must be
clearly posted where a buyer can see it BEFORE buying.  Since their policy
wasn't in the ad, you should probably contact NJ Consumer Affairs.
Also, write your credit card company and advise them of this as part of
your dispute.

Good luck
Mike

> 
> There ad in Stereo Review says nothing about a return policy.
> But once you get the receipt it says 24 hour return policy on
> unopened items.  Big Deal.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> David Montlbano
> 
> P.S.  Stay away from Electronic Wholesalers unless you know exactly
>       what you want.  Whenever you call for a price they are very
>       polite and anxious to get a sale.


Xref: sparky misc.consumers:19392 misc.legal:20304 misc.taxes:3620 misc.invest.real-estate:995
From: woodson@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (Charles Woodson)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.legal,misc.taxes,misc.invest.real-estate
Subject: cash flow crisis
Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:48:19 GMT
Organization: University of California
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.soe.berkeley.edu
Summary: Cash flow crisis appears to be leading to bankrupsty.  Are there
Keywords: cash flow

My friend is in a cash flow disaster.

(1) His debt playments exceed his income.

(2) He has used up all available cash reserves paying payments.

(3) He has rental income, but not enough to cover all mortgage payments.

(4) His assets are all in real estate.  They appear to exceed what he
owes but he has been unable to sell any because the market is slow.
He has a property on the market.

(5) He says some creditors are planning to sue him.
(I suspect he is 4 or 5 months behind on some.)

(6) He appears to be very upset about it all and it appears to be
harming his health.

What should he do?

(a) I suggested he write each creditor monthly and keep them informed of
his efforts.  Will this help?

(b) He talks about filing bankruptsy.  Is that appropriate?  (His assets
appear to be more than his debts, but they are not liquid.)  What would
be the implications of bankruptsy?

(c) He feels he needs a few more months and he will be able to sell some
real estate.  (Sales are usually better in the Spring.) 
He fears some debtors will get a court to take his wages and he will
have nothing to live on and even less to make mortgage payments?
How do such things work?

I tell him it is just money--paper money no less.  He is taking it 
very seriously.  Can anyone offer us some advice?
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep)
Subject: Re: BIG BROTHER RADIO SH
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:59:43 GMT

niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.141219.4373@samba.oit.unc.edu> Karen.Denbleyker@launchpad.unc.edu (Karen Denbleyker) writes:
> >In article <7316.2546.uupcb@factory.com> ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau)  writes:
> >>-> a drivers license is required to establish identity and blah blah
> >>-> blah.... I reluctantly surrendered it because I was very curious to
> >>-> see what was
> >>
> >
> >Some states (maybe all, I don't know) will let you get an ID card that is
> >not a driver's license.  In North Carolina, you can get one at the Driver's
> >License office.  
> 
> New York also offers a non-drivers liscense ID which is very similar to
> a drivers liscense sans DL number.
> 
> Dave

Before this gets entirely out of hand...
Every state currently issues non-driver Identification cards.  In some
states, these resemble the licences with minor changes, others are
unique.  These are also issued in most Canadian provinces (excluding
Quebec) and some issue liquor control cards (same thing in reality).
ID cards are also issued in D.C.

This is all according to the Drivers License Guide Company.

				- Jason
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Electric Razors
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:28:16 GMT

jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:

>   I would like to get an electric razor for myself after years of
>using the analog kind. When I used them before (15-20 years ago) they
>chewed up my face. I am hoping that with technical advances and older,
>tougher skin I can handle it (getting me out of the bathroom an out of
>my wife's way in the morning).

	I just bought a new Norelco triple-header (replace the old one 
that I had since '76.....) with the lift-n-cut blades, non-rechargeable.
Cost me about $40 or $45 I think and might be either a model 405 or
415 (nut quite sure).  You can get them at Kmart, Walmart, I think
Target has them too.

	Works like a champ for me - its easy to clean, and seems to require
litle maintenance.  Don't know howlong the blades will last.  In my older
Norelco without the lift-and-cut the blades lasted about 6 years a set.

Duane
From: robert.white@uttsbbs.uucp (Robert White) 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Aluminum cookware:  R
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: robert.white@uttsbbs.uucp (Robert White) 

GFrw>Newsgroups: misc.consumers
GFrw>From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
GFrw>Subject: Re: Aluminum cookware:  Recipe for disaster?
GFrw>Message-ID: <By0w59.60u@fc.sde.hp.com>
GFrw>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:22:20 GMT

GFrw>As the previous posters have alluded, there's no hard and fast proof
GFrw>that Al exposure causes Alzheimer's.  There is evidence of high corellation
GFrw>i.e. Al deposits found in autopsies of Alzheimer's patients.  There's
GFrw>lots of controversy whether Al cookware contributes to those Al deposits,
GFrw>whether it's swamped out by Al from other sources, or whatever.

GFrw>Me, I go with the safe approach.  Not only do I minimize my use of
GFrw>Al cookware, I take an "environmental detox" vitamin supplement that
GFrw>pulls heavy metals out of the body.  That way I *know* I'm minimizing
GFrw>the Al in my body from ALL sources.

GFrw>As an example:  a friend of mine was diagnosed with mercury poisoning,
GFrw>and also had Al levels that were twice the "safe" levels.  He went on
GFrw>this program for 5 months (long enough to grow out "fresh" hair for the
GFrw>metals test).  His mercury dropped 75%, and his Al dropped in half.
GFrw>Both were then in safe levels.  (While I don't know of any tested cases,
GFrw>the program is also supposed to do the same for lead.)  My friend also
GFrw>noted a 20% drop in his cholesterol levels and increased sharpness of
GFrw>memory, mental processes, etc.  Good stuff.  Worth considering.

GFrw>Gary

Where can I get this vitamin and the name....

Thanks
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . 
                                                                                                                    
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: Electric Razors (Recommendations)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:56:11 GMT

   I would like to get an electric razor for myself after years of
using the analog kind. When I used them before (15-20 years ago) they
chewed up my face. I am hoping that with technical advances and older,
tougher skin I can handle it (getting me out of the bathroom an out of
my wife's way in the morning).

                                         Jerry Freedman,Jr
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: eyeglasses: want info about anti-reflective coatings
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:46:20 GMT
 <1465@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1465@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes:

> Are these coatings placed on the inside or outside of the lenses?
> I have a pair of high refractive glass lenses and the reflections
> on the INSIDE (via light from above and/or behind) really bother me.
> Will coating on the inside help?

Both sides.  In fact, if you have thick lenses, the coating will even
go on the edges, which helps make them less noticable to people looking
at you from the side.

Bri
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:06:40 EST
From: <FJM1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Products you only buy once

I am trying to identify products that a person only purchases once.
For example, a person buys one record album (CD)---once the item is purchased
that person drops out of the market for that product.  Other examples are
whole life insurance, cemetary plots, a college education (undergrad), a
book.  Please e-mail or post any other ideas you can think of... Thanks.

        Frank Mulhern   Department of Marketing
                        Penn State 814-865-0232    FJM1 @ PSUVM
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: neves@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (David &)
Subject: Re: Aluminum cookware:  Recipe for disaster?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:27:48 GMT

Carl J Lydick (carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU) wrote:
: 
: That hasn't been established.  There IS a significant correlation between
: Alzheimer's disease and aluminum deposits in the brain.
I'm sure someone else will post a more detailed answer to this...

I briefly glanced at an article in the Tuesday NYTimes last week (or
the week before) that talked about how this correlation might be an
artifact of the specimen preparation process.  More recent studies (in
England?) show no correlation.

--
neves@ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences, 1890 Maple, Evanston Il 60201
From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:01:03 GMT
Subject: Re: American Cars-tongue in cheek
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

Whaddaya expect? 'Maybe' these are the same people that voted Clinton in...??

Bill

"Let's wind up the fog/foam machine!"
From: wae@aero.org (William A. Emanuelsen)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:56:43 GMT
Organization: Society for Better Living Through Spleen Poetry
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

I am truly stunned and amazed at the serious answers given to the
excellent tongue-in-cheek American cars post.  Cool.
-- 
William A. Emanuelsen    I degaussed my girlfriend and I'm
wae@aerospace.aero.org      just not attracted to her anymore.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Subject: Re: Any Experiences/Opinions on NordicTrac Exercisers?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:52:01 GMT

>>    Does anyone have any opinions or experiences with NordicTrac ski
>> exercisers?  I've seen the infomercial and actually got to browse their new
>> store at SouthPark Mall in Charlotte.  Are they worth the money when compared
>> to the cheaper cross-country-type ski exercisers?   
>
>We have one.  Its great.  Very well built.  Will last a long time.
>The other ones on TV are very cheasy.  Saw a David Horowitz special 
>on them once.  The Nordic Trak is great.  Try to buy one second
>hand first, you might save some money. 
>
>Lou

Ditto

David 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Subject: Re: DAK BREADMAKERS. YOU
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:14:18 GMT

Mike Berger (berger@atropa) wrote:
: DAK is simply an outlet for reconditioned merchandise.  The stuff
: they sell isn't necessarily especially prone to break, and there
: isn't an "endless supply" of everything.

Not so.  DAK's primary business is selling NEW merchandise.  As far as
I know, their "reconditioned" business is purely a sideline.

From my observations of several years of DAK-comments on the net, 
including following the entire history of the bread-machine mailing list:

  - I don't recall EVER seeing a complaint for Hitachi, Panasonic,
    Zojirushi, et al breadmakers.  I DO recall seeing comments and
    recommendations from *many* happy owners of these machines.

  - Many owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are happy with their machines.

  - MANY owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are NOT happy with their
    machines, myself included.  I have heard many dozens of complaints,
    ranging from "it started making gooey-centered bread" to "it locked up
    while baking, filled my house with smoke, and melted the plastic casing
    before I got home and pulled the plug on it."  I haven't used our
    machine for several months because I got tired of wasting time and
    money on inedible bread.

  - The people who had problems with DAK/Welbilt machines have had virtually
    NO satisfaction from the DAK and Welbilt "customer service" organizations,
    ranging from "couldn't call the number, I tried for weeks and it was
    always busy" to "They sent me back the same machine with no apparent
    fixes or improvement."

  - Many, many people have sent their machines in for repairs and had it
    replaced, or were so unsatisfied with their machines that they just
    returned them.  My conjecture is that these unsatisfactory machines
    are "buffed up" and sold as "reconditioned" models.  (If they didn't
    fix the damn things when they were repeatedly sent in for repair while
    under warrantee, why would they fix them before reselling them?)

My conclusion from the above, AND the frequent complaints on the net
about DAK's service, products, hype, etc., is that I would definitely
recommend that someone spend the $30 to $100 more to get a *good*
breadmaker.  Get one that you can enjoy, and avoid the ruined loaves,
frustration, returns for repair, etc.  It's WORTH the extra money.

Gary
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: eyeglasses: quality in general?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:55:54 GMT

All this talk about eye glasses...

Anyone care to comment on the differences, if any, between the products
and services of fast, discount eyeware stores vs. "higher quality" stores?
I've always purchased my glasses from the latter, enduring high prices
and long waits, without comparing to "1-hour" places because I assumed
the quality was vastly superior.  Perhaps not?

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: camcorder suggestions
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:05:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In misc.consumers, rjewkes@cntr.usu.edu (RICHARD JEWKES) writes:

> Hi.  My wife and I are looking into buying a camcorder and are wanting to get
> the best deal, of course.  Are there any suggestions you might have as to
> which brands to consider or preferences you may have?  Also - what features
> have you found convenient and worth paying for?

> As for the format:  8mm, VHS-C, Full size, - which do you prefer?

I have a related question:  Are the product reviews in the "video" 
magazines reliable or do some manufacturers "influence" the reviewers?
Also, do these magazines do annual reviews of products that I could
use to compare most of the camcorders on the market?

a T d H v A a N n K c S e

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott D. Brenner
AT&T Consumer Communications Services
Basking Ridge, NJ
sbrenner@attmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: BASS Shoes Address
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:59:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov15.194231.40264@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (H
OWARD JAY MILLER) writes:
>Does anyone have an address for them.  I bought a pair of shoes there last
>week and they are already falling apart.  I would return them to the place of
>purchase but it is a two mile trip from my house.
>
That should read two HOUR, not two mile.

Howard
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From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Airline Suit
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: jongsma@esseye.si.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smiths Industries

In <1992Nov19.163312.6136@tc.fluke.COM> kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:

>lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:

>>I agree, it was crap.  They settled on giving us coupons so that 
>>we could get some money off of already over-inflated fairs.
>>Where's the penalty?
>>
>>Lou

>Ah, but did the LAWYERS get coupons?
>The Lawyers got their money.  That's what matters.

Did you see the interview with one of the lawyers? When asked why the lawyers
were getting all cash while the supposed clients were getting coupons, he
replied: "We've got businesses to run, we can't use coupons!"


-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@esseye.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Re: safe headphone use?
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:33:40 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:33:06 GMT

In article <722033387.5080.0@elara.esl.acs.cmu.edu> Ken Zuroski,
kz08+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>I don't like to wear headphones because my ears seem to be especially
>sensitive to 'em; even if I use them with the volume turned quite low
>my ears still ache a bit after extended use. I've found a pair of headphones
>that seem to work better than most others I've tried, however; I can wear
>them for many hours and not feel any ill affects. Now I'm gunshy, however--
>I don't want to damage my ears through extended use of Walkman listening.

I believe your problem might be ergonomic in nature - it has nothing to do with
the 'loudness' of the volume.  (Keep the volume reasonable, though - that'll
help keep your hearing intact.  Very loud music can be tiring, but you said
that you kept the volume quite low.  Also, some claim that bad sounding sound
can be fatiguing - but I'll leave that up to you to decide.)

The headphones I use at a radio station make the area around my ears ache. They
just don't fit right and put too much pressure at certain points.  Undo muscle
tension results as my body tries to correct for the bad design.  I have a
similiar problem with eye/sun glasses - unless they are set up just right they
cause me great pain.

Sony has a new (I think) design on some of their headphones.  Instead of a
round (or completely inclosed) ear-piece, it is oval, flat and much more rigid.
 My ears/head like them quite a bit.

I'd recommend going to a stereo store and trying on some headphones.  Audition
them for sound AND fit.  Also look at how much ambient noise they let in if it
is a factor for you.  Some of the more expensive headphones ($80 or so) are
incredibly comfortable, but they don't let much ambient noise through...

Good luck.
--
email: Brady_David@Tandem.Com
(Note: This message is from me, not my employer.  React accordingly.)

Always remember -  David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: What radar detector should I buy?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:23:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Nov17.175219.28272@nmsu.edu>, thearn@nmsu.edu (Tom Hearn) writes:
> I used to have a MAXON radar detector I got from DAK.
> It has saved me countless times but last year I got
> nailed by a cop with the instant on radar.
> There wasn't much I could do about it.

...unless you WEREN'T speeding.  A strong case can be made in court against
radar errors, which are more common than most know; instant-on radar can be 
very error-prone.

------

Paul Havemann, VP        HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 | 1-800-UPDATES
Internet: paul@hsh.com   Compuserve: 70410,3507  America On-Line: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company."
  
"He walks again by night!  Out of the fog, into the smog -- doggedly...
relentlessly... ruthlessly... toward his weekly meeting with The Unknown..." 
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:22:09 -0500 
From: Ken Zuroski <kz08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: mail order places:yes or no

Hi:

I have to purchase a new camcorder battery charger. I can do it most 
cheaply through mail order. Here are a list of companies I could order
from. Are there any that I should avoid or patronize in particular?

Thanks--

-Ken

Adorama
Photo Cell Inc.
Thrify Distributors
Tri State Camera
Star Electronics
Arkon Resources Inc.
Battery-Tech Inc.

---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ken Zuroski
Department of English
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA
kz08@cmu.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: daniels@netcom.com (Daniel A. Segel)
Subject: Re: Replacement ATM cards
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:33:45 GMT

In article <5920@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>Recently my ATM card stopped working, and I went down to the
>local branch of MULTI-MEGOLITHIC BANKING :-) and requested a
>new card - they verified that the mag stripe was zapped (can't
>
<various other comments deleted>
>
>At any rate, they REFUSED to give me a second atm card - now why should
>this bother them?  I told 'em that they could even put different PIN

Maybe if you told us the real name of your bank we might be able to offer
specific insights as to their policies.

I recently had the opportunity to ask for a second and third ATM card for
a checking account at BofA, and they gave them to me right then and there
(well, temporary cards really - it took about 3 days to get the real ones).

Maybe each branch makes their own decisions as to how many cards to give out?

Daniel A. Segel
daniels@netcom.com