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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: hamsa (hand symbol)
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:18:42 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <92210.184253F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> Shaul Wallach <F66204@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.143046.9669@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>(samuel.saal) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul27.023603.2370@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>>ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>
>
>     It never changed to a samekh in the first place. I think the
>reason it is pronounced "hamsa" is that it comes from the Arabic
>"khams" meaning "five", and in the Arabic word the sin takes the place

It is actually "Khamsi". By the way, do you have in your alphabet
the equivalent of "Kh" in arabic?



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa324@YFN.YSU.EDU (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: Israeli Doctors treat Scoliosis
Reply-To: <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:50:02 GMT





William Bulley  writes:

>The medical device was a clever box which applied an electric current (of
>low amperage) in the range of sixty to seventy volts to back muscles through
>small pads which were taped to the skin of the back.  

This sounds an awfully lot like the TENS unit. 
 
I believe they can be purchased for about $ 300 
 
Marlene Miller  



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: society as the basis for religion (was Re: What is Jewish religion?)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:34:59 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Jul22074033@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On 22 Jul 92 03:54:44 GMT, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) said:
>
>> I don't know if there is a better English term (Charedi works in
>> Hebrew), but if one is going to already make distinctions beyond
>> just "Jew", it seems that "Orthodox" tries to cover too much territory
>> and that some additional qualifier is needed.
>
>Furthermore, that was the term that Leon used, in order to contrast it to the
>"Modern Orthodox" day-school that he is involved with.
>
>Daniel
>--

I strenuously disagree with this suggestion.

IMHO being Orthodox is like being pregnant - either you are or are not.
There is only 1 Shulchan Oruch - either you follow it or you don't follow it.

Thus, I detest the use of the word "Modern Orthodox". If "Modern Orthodox"
means that there is one iota of deviation from the Shulchan Oruch,
then that is no longer Orthodox. IF it doesn't, then the use of the
term "Modern" is superfluous.

Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner)
Subject: Re: Anti-Orthodoxy (was Re: O-C-R debate)
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
	<1992Jul26.214408.18665@umbc3.umbc.edu>
	<LERNER.92Jul26182033@division.cs.columbia.edu>
	<55213@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
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	<EGGERTJ.92Jul27231634@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:30:51 GMT

>> In article <EGGERTJ.92Jul27231634@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>> Path: cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!mips!swrinde!gatech!rutgers!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!eggertj
>> From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
>> Date: 28 Jul 92 03:16:34 GMT
>> References: <1992Jul25.211027.7040@midway.uchicago.edu>
>>	   <1992Jul26.214408.18665@umbc3.umbc.edu>
>>	   <LERNER.92Jul26182033@division.cs.columbia.edu>
>>	   <55213@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
>>	   <LERNER.92Jul27212841@division.cs.columbia.edu>
>> Sender: usenet@xn.ll.mit.edu
>> Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
>> Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
>> Lines: 14
>>
>>>>>  [elided discussion by Dr. Rubin claiming the universe is billions 
>>>>>   of years old and that the earth's fauna is not consistant
>>>>>   Torah,  and tha the above has been "directly observed"]
>>>>>                                       =================
>> In article <LERNER.92Jul27212841@division.cs.columbia.edu> lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner) writes:
>> >      PLEASE, DO ME THE COURTESY OF NOT CLAIMING THAT CARBON 14 DATING AND THE
>> >      LIKE IS A "DIRECT OBSERVATION".  HOW MANY PIECES OF ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT 
>> >      ARE IN USE IN  A C14 DATING OR THE OTHER PURPORTED "DIRECT OBSERVATIONS"
>> >      WHICH ESTABLISH   IT IS A DERIVED CALCULATION,  NOT A DIRECT OBSERVATION.
>> >      WERE YOU THERE WITH A NOTEBOOK?  
>>
>> How many pieces of electronic equipment separate your typing from your
>> perceived audience?  And yet you expect us to make sense out of your
>> nonsense.  Perhaps you should visit us individually and explain your
>> views.  Please bring your notebook.
>>
>> --
>> =Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
>>
   
    I see.  You deny large parts of the Torah because you did not receive
    it "directly" (i.e. personally), even  though you  can  read it  with
    your own eyes.   Then you accept the authenticity of carbon-14 dating
    because  it is  "direct"  and therefore  is  (according to you) fully
    believable.  This  is rather interesting, that a direct teaching with
    documentation  from the Rabbis you doubt, but the less-direct machine
    reading is more  believable because the  answer  is printed out  by a
    machine.

    As far as the ad-hominum attack, goodnight. 
--
/M
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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: New Jersey Kashrut Laws Declared Unconstitutional
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:55:44 GMT

The NJ Supreme Court, ruling on a case involving the butcher I
go to, voted 4-3 that the NJ kashrut laws violate the separation
of church and state.

The court decision did not forbid laws regulating the advertising
of kosher food, but it did take away from the state the right
to set standards on what is kosher (i.e., the state could still
require a merchant to state the basis on which he's saying
what he's selling is kosher).

From the article on Page 21 of the July 23, 1992 Newark
Star Ledger-

	Writing for the majority, Justice Alan B. Handler
	said, "The state unquestionably has a valid interest
	in preventing fraud in the sale of any foods,
	including kosher foods.  There are effective ways
	to acheive that end that will not offend constitutional
	strictures against state involvement in religion."

	He suggested the state regulate the advertising and
	labeling of kosher products.  Regulationss could be
	developed that would require those who advertise
	food products as kosher to disclose the basis for
	that characterization ....

While I don't know the details, the issues were over points that
various Rabbis will give various opinions on; the court case was
whether the state could enforce a specific set of Rabbinical opinions.

Another quote from the article-

	County Kosher's operations are supervised by New
	York Rabbi Harry Cohen.  Cohen said Weisman was
	following kosher rabbinical requirements and the
	charges were aimed at keeping him (Cohen) out of
	New Jersey.

	"This is about money, money, and more money.  It's
	about keeping competition out" Cohen said when the
	case was argued before the high court.  Other
	businesses Cohen supervised were also charged with
	violations but those were later dropped ....
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Refrigerators In "Stranger Among Us" (
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:48:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 6193@nynexst.com, schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:
*
*In article <1992Jul24.173728.25825@rs.com*, horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes:
** In article <1992Jul24.181630.26105@cbnewsm.cb.att.com* dsg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.s.green) writes:
** *
** *I heard that one of the original suggestions for the title was:
** *
** *"Dances With Jews"
** 
** No, no; that's:
** 
** "Dances with Wolffs"
*
*Anyone for "Fried Green Latkes"?


Variety called it "Vitness"

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: society as the basis for religion (was Re: What is Jewish religion?)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Jul21.124547.16679@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<62dm-4#.analyst@netcom.com> <FAIGIN.92Jul21134050@soldan.aero.org>
	<LERNER.92Jul21174434@division.cs.columbia.edu>
	<2303@israel.nysernet.org>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:40:33 GMT

On 22 Jul 92 03:54:44 GMT, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) said:

> I don't know if there is a better English term (Charedi works in
> Hebrew), but if one is going to already make distinctions beyond
> just "Jew", it seems that "Orthodox" tries to cover too much territory
> and that some additional qualifier is needed.

Furthermore, that was the term that Leon used, in order to contrast it to the
"Modern Orthodox" day-school that he is involved with.

Daniel
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From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hocus Pocus (was Discovery)
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:12:09 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel

I had just  sent my note about  the Nora-Hayim dispute in  which I had
also  spoken  out  against  indoctrination, when  I  came  across  two
postings of Hayim about the marvels of the Discovery codes nonsense.

There must  be GREAT significance in  the fact that I  found these two
examples so soon after my  previous posting opposing indoctrination (I
am sure the  nameless Harvard statistician will be able  to supply the
needed significance of the coincidence. :-)

Here we go (with the shorter posting):

 In: <1992Jul27.210846.659381@locus.com>
 hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) states

>In article <2322@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>In <1992Jul24.214306.23065@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@egr.msu.edu ( Gedalia
>>
>>    Codes have been found which refer to the Holocaust, George Bush (no
>>    kidding!) the Gulf War, the 39 Scud Missles and many other topics.
>>    All of the codes which have been found have referred to actual
>>    historical events.
>>
>>Harumph.  This is because that was all they were looking for.  Feed
>>the computer lists of things that never happened, and I'm sure you'll
>>find some of that, too.
>>
>> warren
>
>This suggestion was in fact proposed by one of the top statisticians
>in the world, currently at Harvard University. Unfortunately for him,
>(he has been trying unsuccessfully for years to discredit this analysis),
>when they tried that, the results agreed exactly with what one
                                          ^^^^^^^
>expected thru probability. When they searched for actual events,
>the results were extremely significant statistically.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I am in posession of a formal mathematical paper, (I believe it has
>been submitted for publication), outlining the details of this
>experiment.

I just  wish to testify  that for years  we have been  threatened with
this paper  which "has  been submitted for  publication" in  a learned
journal.  For some curious reason the top statistician of Harvard does
not seem to be among the referees  to judge the "merits" of this hocus
pocus, so we still have to wait...

>Hayim Hendeles

 Michael Shimshoni
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Anti-Orhodoxy (was Re: O-C-R debate)
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:07:46 GMT
Organization: NetNews Readers Anonymous

In article <1992Jul29.182119.17330@midway.uchicago.edu>
rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>I've never met a Reform Rabbi who thought that people were free to do
>whatever they felt like.

Neither have I.  The closest I've heard had been "you must be true to your
heart."
-- 
Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Fundies (was Re: O-C-R debate)
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<EGGERTJ.92Jul24115145@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul24.224139.3018@scubed.com>
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:07:19

In article <1992Jul24.224139.3018@scubed.com> hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg) writes:

>   My $0.02. Far be it from me to interpret Nora's thoughts but what I
>   think she may mean is this: "Fundies" of any ilk are anathema. They
>   tend to have tunnel vision, be self-righteous, and to believe whole-
>   heartedly that their "WAY" is the only way and that all non-followers
>   or -believers are doomed.  Not a whole lot of room left for compro-
>   mise, individuality, or divergent thoughts.... What is the "moral"
>   difference between the Orthodox of Jerusalem throwing stones at other
>   Jews who travel on the Sabbath and the former head of the Southern
>   Baptists telling his convention that God does not here the prayers of
>   the Jews?

I agree in general with your characterization fundamentalists.

As for your question, the Baptists are free to believe anything they
want to about their God, even that He does not listen to Jewish
prayers.  But throwing rocks at Jews is simply criminal, and these
people should be arrested.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Kosher insects and ftp archives
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:17:37 GMT

dg = gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)

me:    This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire
me:    civilized world.
dg:    ^^^^^^^^^
dg: Whom are you trying to kid?

In addition to the civilized world, news also reaches machines on Usenet.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Multiple Hechshers
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:18:59 GMT

About Major Don's story of the missing mashgiach - what I've always wanted
to do with restaurants that claim to be kosher, but just don't have
the certficate as it's in the mail or was sent out to be dry-cleaned,
is to tell them that I trust them and I'll eat their food, but I ask
them to trust me, I'll pay them when the certificate arrives.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ejk@coral.JPL.NASA.gov (Elya Kapelyan)
Subject: Re: Discovery
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:41:51 GMT

	I have been following this thread since it started, and I finally 
decided to add my $.02.

	I have a very strong dislike for Discovery and similar programs, 
because to me "codes" in the Tanach are nothing more than glorified gematria,
and while gematria is cute and makes for great Friday night conversation, it
is a terrible argument for the sanctity and timelessness of the Torah.  It is
a weak and intellectually dishonest attempt to shore up the view that the
Torah was written by God and not one word has been changed since Sinai.  If
the fact that a book can "predict" the future is a mark of sanctity, than we
might as well abandon the Torah as our guide, and pick up Nostradamus.  

	In addition, I have seen the Discovery program while it was at Cornell
last February (I did not take part in it, but several of my friends did).  
Most of the participants were not observant, and attended the program as a way
to get a feeling for Judaism.  I shudder at the thought of what will happen
to their Jewishness when they realize that these "codes" are nothing more
than glorified gematria.

	The Torah (and by extension) the Tanach are absolutely unique and holy.
They do not need such shallow "proofs" for their sanctity or authenticity.

	Elya
From: sutin@helios.ucsc.edu (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: society as the basis for religion (was Re: What is Jewish religion?)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:06:17 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <LERNER.92Jul21174434@division.cs.columbia.edu> lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner) writes:
-> Well, here we are again.  The term "ultra-orthodox" is horrible and
-> derogatory, as if it says "excessively".  How about just "Orthodox"?
-> Is there a better term?

How about Turbo-Orthodox?  Has a nice, modern ring to it, no?

Brian Sutin				sutin@helios.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
From: heasif@huji.ac.il (Avrum Goodblat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Israel job list
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:43:11 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

The Israel Job list compiled by Jacob Richman was posted by mistake to
soc.culture.jewish.
Jacob, who doesnt have outgoing internet mail, has asked me to
apologize for this error. He cannot answer any further messages
directly, but I would be happy to try to pass information back
and forth.

Avrum Goodblatt

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: What is Jewish religion? (long...)
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:52:13 GMT

mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
	What is the Jewish religion?

	It is the longest running squabble in human history. :-)

No it isn't.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner)
Subject: Re: society as the basis for religion (was Re: What is Jewish religion?)
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
	<FAIGIN.92Jul17134406@soldan.aerospace.aero.org>
	<1992Jul21.124547.16679@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<62dm-4#.analyst@netcom.com> <FAIGIN.92Jul21134050@soldan.aero.org>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:44:34 GMT

Well, here we are again.  The term "ultra-orthodox" is horrible and derogatory,
as if it says "excessively".  How about just "Orthodox"?  Is there a better
term?




--
/M
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Death Penalty & Jewish Law
Organization: NetNews Readers Anonymous
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223342.2197@wixer.cactus.org>
lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>I oppose the death penalty on the Jewish values I was taught in Sunday school
>and by my parents.  Life is the highest value in Judiasm, and should be saved
                             ^^^
>at almost any cost - except another life.

Life is certainly one of the highest values, but even if you fudge the
commandment from "murder" to "killing," it is just one of ten. Further,
if it were the highest value, staying alive would be equally highly valued
yet we know of three cases in which matyrdom is obligatory.  How do you
get from these (or any other source) that it is _the_ highest value?


>                                           Many criminals may, in fact, be
>rehabilitated, though many more may not.  It is interesting to note that the
>writer of the previous post considers unfair murder to be fair.  The death
>penalty is *not* a punishment, in any case.

Read up on the Torah concept of the Cities of Refuge and you'll see that
the death penalty may well have had a vengeance _component_.  If so, and
if we accept a Jewish value system, issues of punishment and
rehabilitation are irrelevant or simply not a problem.

>There is a wide variety of facts which indicate VERY STRONGLY that the death
>penalty, in this or any country, is an unfair abuse of government power that
>kills citizens.  It is arbitrary, it is expensive (costs at least twice as
>much as the death penalty), it kills INNOCENT PEOPLE (I assume the previous
>writer will say it is okay to kill a few innocent people so long as you get
>most of the guilty ones...), it is blatantly racist, and, finally, how can a
>Jew forget the last time the death penalty was used against us?

These may be good arguments against the death penalty in the US but are
completely irrelevant to Jewish Law.
-- 
Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jbaltz@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry B.  Altzman)
Subject: Re: Cannibal jokes (was Re: What is Jewish religion? (long...))
Organization: mailer daemons association
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.132813.6479@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <14mo9mINNi4h@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sutin@ra.ucsc.edu (Brian
>Sutin) writes:
>> In article <dfs.711908466@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>> >In <1992Jul23.124344.16899@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>> >(samuel.saal) writes:
>> >>"I hate my mother-in-law!"
>> >>"Add a little salt," said the second cannibal.
>> >Did you hear about the cannibal who passed his friend in the woods?
>> It occurs to me that, if a Jew who does not practice Judaism is a secular
>> Jew, then perhaps we are all, in the end, secular cannibals.
>Did you hear about the cannibal who loved children?
>He just adored the platter of little feet.

I'm not one to stick my fingers into the pot (you know, too many cooks
spoil the broth) but my personal favorite is the popular meal of the
central-american and Southwestern US cannibals:

Chile con hombre.

>Have we crossed the boundary of taste, yet?
>Taste?

Finger lickin' good. Mine, not yours.

>Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com

//jbaltz
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