From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The "L" word
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 02:03:11 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:

> Robert  Johnston (rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> : Economically speaking, a liberal is someone who thinks that it is the 
> : governments role to allow for the greatest median standard of living,
> : while a conservative feels that it is the governments role to allow for 
> : the greatest mean standard of living
> : 
> 
> My most simplistic (i.e. shortest amount to type) definition of liberalism
> and conservatism:
> 
> 1.	Liberals believe in active government
> 	Conservatives believe in passive government
> 2.	Liberals would have governmental legislation telling us what to do.
> 	Conservatives would have governmental legislation telling us what
> 		NOT to do
> 3.	Liberals believe government can force people to be equal
> 	Conservatives believe that people should have equal opportunity
> 		to succeed
> 4.	Liberal agenda seeks short term solutions to current problems
> 	Conservative agenda seeks long term solutions to current problems
> 5.	Liberals believe that global solutions by the central government
> 		work equally well for Californians as for Arkansans
> 	Conservatives believe in that California and Arkansas have their
> 		own unique problems that are better solved on the local level.
> 6.	Liberals believe that the government knows how to spend the money
> 		we earn better than we do.
> 	Conservatives believe in exactly the opposite.
> 7.	Liberals believe that the government should drive the social agenda
> 		of the nation
> 	Conservatives believe that people in smaller groups should drive
> 		their own social agenda
> 8.	Liberals believe that the quality of life is determined by share of
> 		the nation's GNP
> 	Conservatives believe that quality of life is improved by increasing
> 		the nation's GNP
> 9.	Liberals believe that because of obstacles, people can not succeed.
> 	Conservatives believe that in spite of obstacles, people succeed.
> 10.	Liberals believe that the free market fails because the rich get
> 		richer.
> 	Conservatives believe that the free market succeeds because those
> 		everyone gets richer in the long run.
> 11.	Liberals use "emotional appeal" arguments to further their agenda.
> 	Conservatives use logic and common sense to further their agenda.
> 
> When a liberal realizes #6 above is true, he becomes a conservative :)
> 


What a nice list of strawmen and false definitions you have erected here. 
 Thsi tells more about the minds of neoconservatists here than about the 
true differences about conservatives VS liberals.  And where do moderates 
fit in.  And what about the differences between Country Club 
Conservatives, religous right Conservatives, and hard right 
conservatives.  Plus all the various extreme splinter factions of 
conservatism.   You are too glib by half!

Pope Charles    SubGenius Pope Of Houston.   Slack!

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