From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Most Ridiculous ? (Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C")
Keywords: No
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.180021.17755@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.061814.4697@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.005415.17863@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Apr13.034117.27980@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>>>>>>(BTW, I think that there is a good case to be made
>>>>>>that the present prosperity of Taiwan occurred not
>>>>>>because of the KMT, but that at least initially, 
>>>>>>the KMT was an obstacle to development...
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi , Luc , I am not fully agree with you at this point . Taiwan's
>>>>>developement is FACTUAllY due partly to the intellectuals and the gold
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Do you know the exact meaning of this sentence ? Was I undermining Taiwan's
>achicement by saying so , in the context ?

The hard working of Taiwan people combined a lot of other important factors
makes Taiwan develop drasticaly .
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>>>>>taken by KMT around 1949 . Otherwise the developement would have been 
>>>>>much slower . Think of Philipine , you may know what I am saying .
>>>>>
>>>
>>>1. How many professors and engineerers had moved to Taiwan at the time ? How many
>>>universities were built after that ? How many excellent intellectuals left for
>>>Taiwan ?
>>
>>Funny, when talking about China, that the word "intellectuals" keeps
>>pooping up...  When you talk about the US, I doubt that you ever
>>used the word.
>
>Do you know what is the percentage of the people who were literate at the time ,
>in China ? "Gao1 Xiao3 " , not " Gao1 Xiao4" was a vwry admiring education level
>at the time . " Gao1 Xiao3" ==== junior elementary school .
                                  ^^^^^^^^^ should be Senior , sorry .

>
>Right now less than 3% of the peoplehave ever received college education .
>Intellectuals is a distinct group in Mainland China . This word will still be
>in use for a long time there .
>
>>
>>Seems to me, what you really mean is a specifically Chinese
>>phenomenon, the present day translation of the social 
>>equivalent to those folks who had passed the Imperial
>>Examination, and thus qualified for their share of the loot,
>>right?  
>
>Yes , I barely prepared for my politcs classes , but I passed them
>above the average all the time . 
>
>>
>>So, I can't help, but I tend to understand the word as
>>describing some sort of intellectual hooker, who trades his
>>knowledge and credibility for a share of the tax money, 
>>who gets paid not to be critical of the system...
>>
>>So, it seems to me that if there is one thing Mao was right
>>about, it's that the intellectuals are an obstacle to
>>development...
>>
>>>  2. Do you think Taiwan had better basis to develope so fast ? ( In resourses and 
>>>geography , as well as background)
>>
>>Well, the infrastructure left was the Japanese was pretty
>>good, compared to the mainland...   That definitely
>
>Look at all my sentences once more please , then you will not misunderstand it .
>
>" partly" = ????????????? " so fast " = ??????????????? 
>
>>helped  (but it especially helped the KMT crooks to get
>>rich..)
>>
>>>  3. How much of the gold reserve was transfered to Taiwan through warships ? 
>>
>>I am sure there was gold transferred out of China.  But how long
>
>I am sure , since I located in a book by a American expert .
>
>>do you think it stayed in Taiwan on its way to Switzerland?
>
>You don't know , I don't know either . So what's your point ?
>
>>
>>So, if your point is that Taiwan was in better conditions
>>than the mainland, yes I would agree.

Your point is right , to some extent . But Many places in Mainland China did
had better conditions than Taiwan . Bad relationships with advanced countries
and political struggles , ignorance... etc, destroyed all of the advantages .

>
>No , that is not my point . My point was much wider .
>
>>
>>But if you say it's because the KMT was a honest and
>>judicious administrator, I would strongly disagree, at least until
>
>I didn't say that at any point . 
>" FACTUALLY " ====  ????????????
>
>>the death of Chiang.
>
>His brilliant son was still a KMT leader . KMT began to do the excellent
>job with Taiwan people . KMT began to have a new look since then .
>
>>
>>Luc B.
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