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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: fight or flight, war or peace, atemi ka ukemi
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:07:20 GMT
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I don't think there is a nice legalistic answer to the is it right or wrong to
fight issue.  I by personal type fall into the active peaceful resistance
category - but that is not a law.  I have a very difficult time seeing the
fight for your right perspective, but God obviously uses it, although I don't
believe it is the high road.

I believe in Christian Aikido.  Jesus used it  when he walked through and away
from the violent crowd.  He also used it to throw the mob when they came to get
Him.  He used it on the Cross to take satans heaviest blow and turn it into the
highest of the Divine victories.

Jesus said we could run.  That is pretty clear.

What ever we do we have to do it together with Christ.  He says He is with us
until the end of the world.  He says if they do it to us, they do it to Him.
What ever we do let's avoid hate like crazy.  What ever it is you have to do,
make sure you remember that Jesus is with you.

                                               Peace in Christ, zane.
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: welcome back
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:27:22 GMT
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Kerry, welcome back.  Peace, zane.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:02:41 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

Excerpts from christia: 22-Jan-93 Re: Ten Commandments.
"DRCV06::GRAHAM"@DRCVAX. (775)

> I think it should be pointed out that it does not make any difference
> whether the Ten Commandments are commands or suggestions, they are not
> applicable to the New Covenant Christian.  In 2 Cor. 3, Paul calls them
> a "ministry of death."  Now, why on earth would you want to keep a
ministry of death?

Obviously Jesus thought differently.  He told the rich man, "You know
the commandments." He obviously desired us to obey the commandments.

Note that Paul does not call the Commandments the "ministry of death,"
but the "ministry that brought death."  It is the "ministry that
condemns men" and furthermore he calls it "glorious"!

All of this is true, but it doesn't mean we are free to break them now.

Eric
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:51:16 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tithing before taxes

Good point!

John <><
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:01:58 MST
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Subject:      Steven Curtis Chapman concerts

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>From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)
>Subject: Steven Curtis Chapman concerts
>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
>Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:52:51 GMT

ANyone know the concert schedule of SCC?  I live in Illinois and was wondering
if he was going to be in the area any time soon.

Thanks

MAC
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:08:35 CST
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Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

Marissa,

When Jews were many enough to don't need to be poligamous to survive as
a nation. Remember, most Jewish marriages were in some degree incestuous and
that led to a very high ratio of steril people.

Shalom,
Memo.
PS I thing this was about 800 BC.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:37:17 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: March for Life, etc.
              28 Jan 1993 13:04:03 -0500 from <YA67@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Hey Carol N.,

   Actually, I read "A Modest Proposal" in college, along with his "Description
 of a Summer Shower."  Boy, the man had scathing wit, didn't he?  Did you find
that certain parts of "A Modest Proposal" sounded a lot like the rhetoric of Pl
anned Parenthood and other organizations?  So civilized, and yet, so brutal.


Marissa Ratcliff
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:52:37 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)

Excerpts from christia: 26-Jan-93 Re: Praying in tongues (was.. Netnews
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> I do not understand why people would desire to pray in tongues anyway since
> God understands all languages.
>
Because sometimes what our spirit wishes to pray cannot be expressed in
human languages. The infinite mystery of God and His love can so
overwhelm a soul that that soul cannot naturally express what s/he
wishes to God.  Therefore God sometimes gives us the ability to speak in
spiritual languages, in "inexpressible groanings by the Holy Spirit."

Sometimes, in the attempt to formulate thought for prayer, the effort in
organizing what you wish to say destroys the wonderful spiritual mood
that has inspired you to say it.  Speaking in tongues also helps here,
for through it you can concentrate not on what you are going to say, but
on the infinite mystery of God and his unfathomable grace and love, and
you are brought into closer, intimate communion with Him.

This is why speaking is tongues is useful, and even why earthly
languages are not sufficient for our prayer.

Eric
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:50:51 -0800
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From:         Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Jesse on tongues vs. canon

>Following on the heels of Don Roberts, I have just a short post here on the
>tongues issue.

Although Jesse and I agree on the questionable validity of tongues today, I
have to disagree with his reasons.

>Due to the fact that when tongues were interpreted, they became tantamount
>to direct Divine revelation, and  because the canon of the Scriptures is a
>closed and done deal, I therefore assertthat tongues WERE a valid gift, as
>well as prophecy.

But prophecy and revelation given to a specific person for a specific time and
purpose doesn't necessarily have to be added to scripture.  I would equate this
with praying.  If scripture alone is sufficient, why should we pray?

>When we bring in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 into the picture, what we see is that the
>Word of God alone is SUFFICIENT for all of our spiritual needs.

I agree but I feel this is out of context when discussing gifts of the spirit.

>If tongues and prophecy were still validly operating today, the Sufficiency
>of the Word would be in question.

I would question the logic of this.  Scriptures is sufficient.  Individual
edification can manifest itself many ways with out "adding" to scripture.

I would rather deal with issues such as edification, dealing with non-believers
and relative value as assigned by scripture.

I've gotta stop starting paragraphs with "I" :-)

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
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Subject:      Re: Non-Calculus General Physics

Name of the Courses: 1. Introductory Physics    2. AP Physics
Academic Credit: 1 credit per sem (including lab)
                 Class: 3 hours    Lab: 2 hours     [for both the courses]
Textbook: Jones and Childers " Contemporary College Physics"
Comments on Course or Textbook:

        We use this textbook for both the courses.

1. Introductory Physics:  This course is slow-paced.  We need to change the
        textbook for this course.   This course is intended for science oriented
           students interested in a strong high school physics course.

2. AP Physics: This is an accelerated physics course.  The AP Physics syllabus
   is covered in two semesters.  At present, it is being taught on the IHETS
   (Indiana Higher Education telecommunications Service) network.

Hasan Fakhruddin, Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics, and Humanities
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:31:12 MST
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Subject:      Re: Last night's Rush Limbaugh Show

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>From: superc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
>Subject: Re: Last night's Rush Limbaugh Show
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>Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:15:50 -0600

 I remember the show you are referring to. But, you need to understand what
Rush is all about. IMO, he is an informed entertainer. Sometimes it may be
hard for some to distinguish when he is serious and when he is sarcastic. I
for one appreciate most of w
hat the man has to say. IMNSHO he is the most heard voice of conservatism in
this nation, and he is doing a fine job...

--
Shawn E. Chase            "For the eyes of the Lord range throughout
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu        the earth to strengthen those whose hearts
Dept of Industrial Engg.   are fully committed to Him" 2chron16:9
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:27:03 -0500
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From:         Liz Moreau <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Speaking of the 700 Club...

>Did anyone else see the 700 Club today?  It might have been a re-run.
>Dr. Richard Eby was on it, talking about his "death" and his
>"visit to Heaven."  I am very skeptical of all NDE's, angel stories
>and the like.

I didn't see this segment, but Lonnie Schubert(?) (are you out there
Lonnie) wrote to me once about this.  He had a relative that had a NDE
and it very well could of be Eby.  I to am still skeptical of it all.

>However, he said that God told him that he would *still* be talking
>to people (Eby, I mean) when Jesus comes again.  Dr. Eby is 80
>years old.

I believe the Catholics say that one of the children still living from
Fatima (Lucia?) was also told she would be alive at the end and she is
in her 80's.  New Agers are also spouting that aliens will be
coming soon to remove Christians.  Now, I don't believe these sources,
but it is interesting that many different parts of our society are
saying the same thing.

>Does anyone else have this odd sense of (I don't know, let's call it)
>"winding down" or something?

The other night I got an overwhelming feeling of despair.  I felt God
was telling me that He was giving people up to their own desires for
just a short time.  I was amazed because something like this has never
happened to me!

                                        Liz
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:39:38 +0000
From:         "G.J. McCaughan" <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Prayer
              <01GTTNWJDH8I99DJTK@asu.edu>

In response to Petri's "prayer questionnaire", Glenn writes:

>                                    The rule that I follow is
> that is something leapt into my head (both good and bad
> things), I usually let God know about it.  I have been
> really ashamed of the thoughts that sometimes jump in there,
> but I feel that confessing these thoughts, no matter how
> ugly, is a safer course than trying to hide them or trying
> to keep them bottled up inside so they can eat away at me.
> I figure our relationship is big enough to handle these
> feelings and that I had better make them known to the Lord.

C S Lewis said something like this too: that when we are praying
we must be utterly honest with God: if we really want something
we should tell him so, even if we are then going to say "But I know
I shouldn't really get it".

I think this makes good sense; there's little point in praying if
we're going to try to hide things from God. (What a ludicrous idea,
anyway...)


--
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
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From:         NativeNet@GNOSYS.SVLE.MA.US
Subject:      Interracial Relations

Original Sender: Karin Berger <kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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[ This article is being relayed from the Usenet "alt.native" newsgroup. ]

I would be interested to hear from anybody who experienced native
american/non native american relationships.

What type of problems arose? How comfortable do you feel about it or do
you prefer to stick with people of your own kind?

Any thoughts welcome.

Thanks

Karin
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:09:50 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

>
>From: S. Michael Benson  -POKVMCR3(BENSON)  IBMMAIL(USIB4B43)
>                         -benson@pokvmcr3.vnet.ibm.com
>                         -MVS System Services Design
>
>
> Scott D. Weberg said...
>
>>This sounds like a great argument at first, and I had to ponder a
>>little to figure out why I disagreed with this.
>
>So did yours but something didn't seem quite right...
>
>> ...   Would the *majority* of Americans think
>>that he is the best man for the job of making major decisions about
>>the welfare and direction of this nation?  No way!  He couldn't even
>>make it to all the meetings because of his age and health.  So the
>>majority would not have wanted him in the Senate, but Mississippi (a
>>very small population) voted him in for their own small interests.  I
>>don't think the majority of Americans would vote for Ted Kennedy
>>either, but he holds enough political power to ensure re-election in
>>his state.
>

>But we live in a country where the MAJORITY rules - fortunately at
>sometimes and unfortunately at others.  All it takes is 51% of the

*****************
Just a quick note:  We live in a country where all it takes is 51% of
the voters being liberal OR uninformed OR misinformed. Consider, for example,
that Bill Clinton was elected because the economy was *so bad* . i
(Remember: "It's the economy, stupid!") Voters flocked to the polls voting
for a *change* because of the *sick* economy. However, the day after the
election, guess what? The economy isn't so bad after all. In fact, the
recession has been officially over for 18 months PRIOR to the election.
If 51% of the voters believed this misinformation (nice term), then 51%
of the voters rule.

My thoughts,
Jim Coen
coen@acc.wuacc.edu
*****************
>voters being liberal and they can elect 100% of the liberal officials.
>Also, you would expect that if there were a majority of conservatives
>in the US then there would be other states voting FOR conservatives
>and the OVERALL representation would be conservative.
>
>(I think we are treading dangerously close to the statistics discussion
>again! :-) )
>
>IMHO, I think many people are superficially conservative because their
>conscience tells them to be, but in private, they enjoy all the liberals
>have to offer.  Sin has a way of making people hypocritical - unfortunately
>myself included sometimes.
>
>                                                              .
>Regards,              -IBM Corp.                  (914)296-6199
>Mike                  -P.O. Box 950  Y12A/922-1      8+296-6199
>                      -Poughkeepsie, NY 12602  FAX(914)296-5155
>
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:06:39 -0800
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From:         Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
Subject: Re: Jesse on tongues vs. canon

>Here is something to think about. If tongues, prophesy, etc., etc.  were
>ONLY for those who did not have the canon of the Bible, why did the Holy
>Spirit inspire the writers of the (yet to come) Bible to give instructions
>for the use of this (nonexistent) gift? Why would the Holy Spirit inspire the
>writers to warn that we should be on guard against false prophets (if, in
>fact, there were NO prophets)?

Personally I feel this is easy to deal with.  Were all the books of the NT
written at the same time?  I mean within a few days or months?  No?  Perhaps
over a period of 50 or even 100 years?  And was the canon put together
immediately upon completion of the writing and were the documents widely
available?  No?  So what were believers to do until then?  What about if they
have part of the text available but not all?  What IS the date for the closing
of the canon?  Last writing around 90 CE, acceptance by the church of what we
see today as the canon (disputably) anywhere from 140 CE to 300 CE, or death of
the last apostle (John, anywhere from 90 CE to 105 CE)?

If tongues did not cease until the canon was closed, then to answer your
statement this would be during the "transition period".  Why shouldn't
instruction be for that period?  If you were in Corinth in, say, 85 CE, You
might have had John and Matthew's Gospels, the letters to the Corinthians and
MAYBE a few other letters.  How did the Spirit fill in the gaps covered by the
rest of the canon?  I don't think this takes much of a stretch.  Do you
disagree?

>If the Holy Spirit inspired the writing of these words we hold so dear, and
>if He was an Overseer of the canonizing of the Scripture, then why do we
>doubt what it says?

So who is doubting?

CE = Christian Era - who needs latin (AD - bah)

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
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From:         Braden Glen <d246@UNI05.LARC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      more from C S Lewis...

  'We want, in fact, not so much a Father in Heaven as a grandfather in heaven-
a senile benovolence who, as they say, "liked to see young people enjoying
themselves" and whose plan fot the universe was simply that it might be truly
said at the end of the day, " a good time was had by all"...
   It is for people whom we care nothing about that we demand happiness on any
terms: with our friends, our lovers, our children, we are exacting and would
rather see them suffer much than be happy in contemptible and estranging modes.
If God is Love, He is, by definition, something more than mere kindness. And
it appears, from all the records, that though He has often rebuked us and
condemned us, He has never regarded us with contempt. He has paid us the
intolerable compliment of loving us, in the deepest, most tragic, most inexor-
able sense.'
                                           _The Problem of Pain_ ch 3

"'Are you thirsty?' said the Lion.
'I'm DYING of thirst,' said Jill.
'Then drink,' said the Lion.
'May I-could I-would you mind going away while I do?' sid Jill.
The Lion answered this only by a look and a very low growl...
'I daren't come and drink,' said Jill.
'Then you will die of thirst,' said the Lion.
'Oh dear!' said Jill, coming another step nearer. I suppose I must go and
look for another stream then.'
'There is no other stream,' said the Lion."
                                           _The Silver Chair_ ch 2


In His Love
Glen

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 'By and by when I look at His face, beautiful face, thorn scarred face,
    By and by when I look at His face, I'll wish I've given him more...'
                                              -Hymn,
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Vampires?  Shades of the Scarlet Woman in Revelation!!!

I'm not trying to get on your case, really.  I know you are going to do your
best to fix mess.  I just wanted to say I am glad I got some stuff from
the NativeNet by mistake.  I wasn't aware there was one, so now I am a little
bit more informed.
                   Thanks, peace in Christ, zane.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:49:00 PST
From:         Dale Thomas Network Solutions Task-5 <thomasd@FLYBOY.NIC.DDN.MIL>
Subject:      GOOD MORNING

All,

It's a grand and glorious morning and I havn't seen the sun yet!!!

I just want to PRAISE GOD today!!!!

May GOD bless you and keep you !!!!!!


Have a Great day,
Dale

God's love is perfect and you can take that personally, if you wish.
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