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From: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
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From: dprosser@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL W PROSSER)
Subject: Musical categories (Re: NIN!!!!!!)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:22:11 GMT

In article <1h8h51INN60e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lhk2@po.CWRU.Edu (lucas) writes:
>let it be known:
> trent himself has said that although somewhat influenced by
>industrial, his music does not belong in that category, but
>rather in the category of pop. i concur and wonder why so many
>NIN messages are posted here at rec.music.INDUSTRIAL.

	Yeah, so mr. reznor says he isn't industrial, but is pop.  And
EN say they're not industrial, but instead are avant-garde jazz.  And
KMFDM say they're not industrial, but instead are ``ultra-heavy beat''.
	WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY KNOW?!  They are all musicians, not rocket
scientists! >;->  Sorry, but musical categories tend to be consensus reality,
and not given to redefinition by one person.  While I agree that 
NIN is a bit on the pop-py side for my tastes, I'm not gonna bust a
gut if someone posts about him here. (that's what kill-files are for.)
	(And as for EN being avant-jazz,  everyone I know that is into 
that hears them and says, ``What the hell are you listening to?'').

					dp
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:34:29 GMT

In <1992Dec25.231519.4766@spcvxb.spc.edu> 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:


>Can anyone reccomend some groups to me?  I am new to this industrial stuff.
>I have picked up the follwing.
>Cop Shoot Cop - Consumer Revolt -- Very Good!
>Einstuerzende neubauten - Drawings of patient OT -- Good...
>KMFDM - Money -- Sucked...

>With that, can someone name a bunch of bands I would like?
>I dont like the dance-pop crap, more ambient type stuff.  Im looking
>for some TG albums, with no luck....
>Thanks...


Depending on what you call ambient, I can suggest maybe some Controlled
Bleeding or some Dead Can Dance (although some may find this a little
toooooo ambient.

Just my two cents......

me and my 'four-line' .sig
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright)
Subject: NIN "pinion" video?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:51:35 GMT

Has anyone else seen this video?  Definitely pretty bizzare.. I really
like it..  This is the only NIN video I've ever seen.. !  Up here in Canada
we're pretty secluded to that kind of stuff..

I'm fairly new to industrial (last 2 or so years), but I'm really starting to
get into it.  I have albums from Nitzer, NIN, Front 242, Recoil (sorta
industrial), a Netwerk group called Moev (not bad actually..) Depeche Mode
(hardly industrial), Utah Saints, KLF, etc..  My fave's probably somewhere in
that order..  I have heard Ministry, Sonic Youth, and I like some of there
stuff, but I don't like music sounding too heavy.. I don't really like
Nirvana, although I could almost find myself falling asleep to NIN's broken.
;-)

Can anyone else suggest albums/groups that are similar, and that I might
like?

Thanks.. Ian.



Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: johns@hpqmola.sqf.hp.com ( John Struthers)
Subject: Re: Russolo's Noise Machines
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:04:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
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Re: Russolo's Noise Machines
============================

Here are some details of the LPs mentioned in previous postings -

"Futurism and Dada Reviewed"
LP Ref No. = SUB 33014-19  (Now available on CD)
Released - 1988

Label - Sub Rosa
        PO Box 808
        1000 Brussels
        Belguim

Distribution - Play It Again Sam

Track List - Side 1
-------------------

"Corale" Antonio Russolo (1921)  1.57mins    ***
"Sintesi Musicali Futuriste" Filippo Tommaso Marinetti (1931) 6.56
"Serenata" Antonio Russolo (1921) 2.34mins   ***
"Definizone di Futurismo" Filippo Tommaso Marinetti (1924) 3.08
"Cavalli + Acciao" Luigi Grandi (1935) 2.45
"End of Enemy interlude" Wyndham Lewis (1940) 1.20
"Le Pont Mirabeau" Guillaume Appolinaire (1912) 1.14

Track List - Side 2
-------------------
"L'Amiral Cherche un Maison a Louer" Tzara/Janco/Huelsenbeck 2.30
"La Mariee mise a nu par ses Celibataires, meme" Marcel Duchamp 10.05

"Inventing Dada" Richard  Huelsenbeck (1959) 
"Dada into Surrealism" Tristan Tzara (1959)
"Die Sonata in Urlanden" Kurt Schwitters (1932) 3.24

"La Toison d'Or" Jean Cocteau (1929) 2.44
"Le Voleurs d'Enfants" Jean Cocteau (1929) 3.42
___________
Sleeve Note - ANTONIO RUSSOLO - "In 1924 the Societa Nazionale del 
    Grammofono released three Futurist records, which sold for 18 
    lire a piece. One of these (R6919/20) contained CORALE and 
    SERENATA, However, though this recorded document was referred
    to for years whenever 'intonarumori' were mentioned, they are
    rather insignificant graftings onto existing compositions and
    a far cry from the use of Luigi Russolo had made of them a 
    few years earlier. Nonetheless, these are the only surviving
    authentic 'intonarumori' recordings that now exist."     

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -     
"dada For Now"
A Collection of Futurist and Dada Sound Works 
    Compiled by Colin Fallows
LP Ref No.= DOVE 4
Released 1985
    
Label - ARK        
        Dada for Now
        PO Box 45 
        Liverpool
        L69 2LE
        UK 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: KRAFTWERK performed at Woodstock ??!
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:52:51 GMT

In article <BzonMt.6Lw@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren) writes:
>lupo@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Lutz Bauer) writes:
>
>>Kraftwerk performed at Woodstock ??
>
>>I've seen a film about Woodstock some years ago. I think
>>they showed an interview with Kraftwerk in it.
>>I am not totally sure, but I believe that Florian S.
>>was telling some stuff about their music concept, etc.
>>But I can not remember exactly.
>>Well, the time is O.K. (Woodstock's been at 15th-17th
>>August '69). And they used to be kind of Hippies those days.
>
>>Does anybody know something ? Anybody been there ?
>>Has anybody film/audio material about the Kraftwerk
>>performance ?
>
>No, they didn't perform at Woodstock.  They were barely in their
>beginnings as a performing outfit, and Woodstock was not a place for
>unknowns just starting out with experimental music - well-established
>performers were the rule, like Joan Baez, Crosby Stills & Nash, Jimi
>Hendrix, Moutain, Canned Heat, the Who, and Jefferson Airplane.
>
>In 1969, the pop/rock music industry was overwhelmingly dominated by
>American and English acts.  Kraftwerk didn't even 'break through' until
>six years later with _Autobahn_.

In fact, they didn't even exist then. At the time of Woodstock, however,
Ralf and Florian were active as a duo act called "Organization", which was
more of an avant-jazz sort of affair. According to some material I've seen
on Kraftwerk, Organization was pretty much a flop. They did release one, and
possibly two albums before being dropped by their label. But Organization came
nowhere near Woodstock, and to my knowledge was hardly known at all during
that period of time.

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)
From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: What a joke
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:09:29 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam) writes:

> 
> In article <a292VB2w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> markp@noncomf.tdkcs.wa
> 
> | > As for Bjork, well, let's say that the original poster's premise was soun
> | > until he offered his counter-example (-:
> |
> |   His premise is _NOT_ sound. His _premise_ is that the
> |  _ONE_ thing that makes good music is a good singing voice.
> 
> 
> No, it wasn't.  His premise was that the one thing that makes a good
> singing voice is a good singing voice.  If you remember, that's what
> the thread was originally about.


	But the above-mentioned extrapolated it to 
music in general. That's what the problem is about. Comparing
Ogre to, let's say, Mariah Carey** is not possible because both
have different agenda's. Mariah is a money hungry, opportunistic
dealer of trite cliches who's sole means of support is a having
a fuckable body, a voice consistent with societies expectations
of "good", and a team of producers able to give society what
they want. 
	On the other hand, Ogre stumbles through life making
observations and expressing himself as he knows how with a
genuine passion. Ogre sings with a voice consistent with what HE
see's as the proper emotional context of the song. When Ogre's
pissed, it shows through his sound AND lyrics: "murder now
invigorates the unwashed bloody hands kill again" (Second Tooth,
"Cleanse, Fold, ...") 
	When Carey intends to show anger, it's sung
is as nice a voice as possible, as clearly as possible, and
with very little emotion, except what's implied through the
words. For example, if she sang a nonsence line: "along the
cracked in floors dripping on the floor there sits a doctor" you
would have no emotional context to give the song, because one of
the only ways of showing emotion in her highly stylized "pop"
singing is in the lyrics. 
	This is not just typical of her, but "pop" music in
general. That is why Ogre cannot be compared in the same context
as any "pop" singer.





** I had to give up my Michael Bolton comparison because I had
the _worst_ nightmares imaginable about it last night. uuuughhh!
------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
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From: flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: what ever happened Lard
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:05:58 PST
Reply-To: flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

acoates@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:

> Whats happening with Lard can anyone tell me?
> Have they been killed off or are there any future plans??
> I have heard rumours that something might be released soon but from 
> very unreliable sources!!
> Is Biafra doing anything else??
> 
> News doesn't travel fast to this end of the world!!!
> 
> 

 biafra's on a bit of a sabatical right now. Look forward to a Lard 
record after the Ministry tours are done with.


__________________________________________________________________________
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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ flesh@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: iNUDSTRIAL nATION nEEDS yOU tO wRITE!
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:49:59 CDT
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA
Summary: iNDUSTRIAL nATION nEEDS yOU tO wRITE!
Reply-To: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Followup-To: laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
Keywords: Industrail Nation Wants You
Distribution: usa

Industrial Nation zine needs you to write something for them.

Please send ideas and/or files to:

laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu

Ric Laciak
INDUSTRIAL NATION
G.A.W.M.U.S.

DO IT NOW
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Some capsule reviews
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:31:45 GMT

dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:

>ish). You might want to look into something of a later vintage by NWW, like
>"Gyllenskold/Brained" or the recent "Thunder Perfect Mind", which is a really
>nice piece of ambient electronics.

I dunno that I would put "Thunder Perfect Mind" under the category of
"ambient electronics".  The first track "Cold" is mechanical and
unrelenting, not qualities I usually associate with "ambient".  The
second track, though, "Colder Still" does fall under "ambient", IMHO.

BTW, if you're going to get one "Thunder Perfect Mind", get them both.
The Current 93 and the Nurse With Wound complement each other well.
(And the NWW refers to portions of the C93 which make more sense in
context.)  Both are excellent albums.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: slgyp@cc.usu.edu (Doran L. Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Wanted Please: Ministry info
Date: 1 Jan 93 09:16:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ. - Elec/Comp Engineering

I would like to know if anyone knows if and when Ministry will be in the Salt
Lake City area.

Doran

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College of Engineering_        ``My how time flies when you're dead'' -Anon
From: phallus@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Mark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Carl Stone, Holger Czukay & Front 242
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:53:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In <BzM5s5.4yv@emu.com> rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel) writes:

>How does FLA sound in comparison?  Does Leeb sing and destroy for them as well?
>And furthermore, how could Leeb restrain himself on the one Cyberaktif single
>I have, Temper?  That single is one of my most favored indu types, and I 
>beseech the net.gods to answer my question, lo, if I like temper, will I like
>their other work?  Given Leeb's involvement, I'm hesitant to sink any more 
>dollars until I can get a grip on some solid POV's.  

FLA has a very different sound than Front 242, I've found. Their music can
be classified as "the same" within the individual artist's works, if one
wishes... Front 242 uses perky instruments and a bunch of drugged chords over
and over, while FLA melds the vocals and notes into one ungrateful vibrating
beast. I like both of them, at times... Sometimes their styles are just too
obnoxious and/or redundant for me to listen to, just my opinion...

I have never heard/identified Cyberaktif, though, and you're not the only
being who's told me they're good. While I'm using my brain, I have a question..
I heard a nifty industrial tune a few days ago. It started with a beat, and teh
beat used a really cool hi-hat sequence. None of the vocals followed any sort
of pattern, nor were they highly comprehendable, but as the song went on (for
a long time) the whole thing went faster and faster. I was rather amazed by
this song and I want a copy... Does anyone know what it is?

-- ZOG (actually archer@ucscb.ucsc.edu, but today I'm in disguise!)

-- 
I am  viewing this text as I  type in blood red			 Mark A. Hedges
on a black background. I see nothing but blood,			 phallus@b
everywhere  blood and death  surrounds me. I am			 phallus@cats
       but a pawn in the game of death.		____________________
						| Have a nice day. |
						\__________________/
From: 6anthony_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ambient stuff...
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:33:34 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

> 
> ... You might consider taking a a listen to Skinny Puppy.  Many may not 
> consider them "Industrial", but hopefully that won't matter.  I've read 
> one reply already to this message, and don't close your mind to 
> Cyberactif.  They aren't as irritating as you may be led to believe.  As 
> for Ministry.. (this is all opinion, of course).. as mentioned, The Mind 
> is a Terrible Thing to Taste is excellent, but I'd be more inclined to 
> reccomend The Land of Rape and Honey.  Stay _AWAY_ from With Sympathy.  
> 
> (A little bit of line noise on my end... hope this is sensible... ).. 
> Psalm 69 is a good album, and it get's knocked a lot because it has some 
> questionable tracks (in my opinion, however, if more than a few of the 
> tracks on Psalm 69 were installed on the Mind or Land releases, they'd be 
> heralded and glorified)... I'm relatively dense when it comes to 
> obscurities, but my only reccomendation is that you keep your ears open, 
> and listen to as much as you can (even if it's labeled by many to be 
> 'dance' music).. I'm still surprised by how severly opinions can vary on 
> the classifications of certain groups... 
> 

Well, I'll try Skinny Puppy but as far as Ministry goes, I would consider it 
more heavy metal then anything.  But thats my opinion... Does SKinny Puppy 
sound like Ministry??  



> 
> Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
> Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thf@sizone.uucp (Jason Kalra)
Subject: Re: DT/NU
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:31:10 GMT

To: thf
Subject: Re: DT/NU
From: thf@sizone.UUCP (Jason Kalra)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:43:22 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: DT/NU
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:40:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

.. I was wondering if someone might be able to give me some information, 
or possibly a review on the following groups..:  Doubting Thomas, and 
Noise Unit.  
 Thanks.


Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: thf@sizone.uucp (Jason Kalra)
Subject: Re: NIN!!!!!!
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:02:15 GMT

To: thf
Subject: Re: NIN!!!!!!
From: thf@sizone.UUCP (Jason Kalra)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:06:43 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552
From: sizone!thf@ee.ryerson.ca (Jason Kalra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:57:23 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

lhk2@po.CWRU.Edu (Lucas H. Kuzma) writes:

> 
> 
> let it be known:
>  trent himself has said that although somewhat influenced by
> industrial, his music does not belong in that category, but
> rather in the category of pop. i concur and wonder why so many
> NIN messages are posted here at rec.music.INDUSTRIAL.

... Does it actually matter anymore?  Although I'm not farmiliar with the 
actual rules for the music bases, but if wacky Trent suddenly deccides 
that he's deeming himself pop, does that change much?  I mean, sure, if 
the group that accesses this base suddenly deccide to debate the musical 
genius's of Lawrence Welk, or perhaps Mr. Rogers, then I could see your 
point.  But poor tormented Trent has found it necessary to negate the 
'horrible' Industrial label that he rode all through Lollapalooza?  What 
is this?   .. It should be fairly obvious that my opinion of wacky Trent 
isn't all that high.  
  However, as to not get off topic (and annoy you more, since you 
apparently don't see why anyone would want to talk about Reznor in 
Industrial), as far as this base in concerned.. I really don't see how 
much it matters.  If Trent decides he's more Folkish than anything else 
(He's hurtin' for change!), then what?  Do we start looking for 
similarities between him and Dylan?  Trent should shut up and thanks the 
masses for demanding more and more regurgitated disco music so he can 
slide by so much easier.
> 

Jason Kalra - Sonic Interzone BBS, Toronto
Inet: thf%sizone@ee.ryerson.ca

Bert: Ernie? Where are you? I miss you.

Ernie: Go shove your pointy head up your ass, Bert.