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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:41:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.192507.25096@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.172803.1480@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>>For the person who originally posted this article: Do you really expect to here
>>NO! for this question on SCJ?
>
>Why do you flaunt your ignorance of Jews and Judaism?  Among Reform
>Jews (especially "Classical Reform") there are those that don't feel it
>is at all important to settle in Israel.  Even among the more Orthodox
>there will be those that say Israel should not (or must not) be settled
>until the Messiah comes.  One example is the Neturei Kartah that
>are/were (largely for propoganda reasons) included in the Palestinian
>delegation to the peace talks.
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>		Note new machine name
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

Well, the truth is I am ignorant of Judaism. See, I learned something
new now.
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NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends - help!
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
	<FAIGIN.92Aug10061740@solarium.aero.org>
	<1992Aug14.181000.28756@tudorct.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:32:46 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:10:00 GMT, shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff) said:

In article <1992Aug14.181000.28756@tudorct.com> shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff) writes:

Dan> In article <FAIGIN.92Aug10061740@solarium.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1992 17:12:40 GMT, goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) said:
>
>> If one is a non-Jew, and has Orthodox friends over from time
>> to time, what can legitimately be offered them to eat or drink,
>> and still leave them at ease?  
>
>I find the simplest solution is to present the guest with *unopened* packages
>of O-U products (Stella D'Oro cookies are good, or canned Juice), and unopened
>packages of plastic utensils and paper plates, and let them break the seal.
>
>Daniel

Dan> Personally, I think Stella D'Oro cookies are barfo (too dry and formal, no
Dan> fun).  Try something like Duncan Hines but remember that its dairy.  Also
Dan> Tropicana OJ is good (actually VERY good -- not veryfine, that's from 
Dan> concentrate).

There are some non-barfo Stella D'Oro cookies, but there are other
parve brands.  One problem with O-U dairy--they are not Chalav Yisrael
and so parve is still the best bet even first thing in the morning.
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        Those Who Planned;                         
And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel       
        Cared nothing for the workers who built it.

	-Metropolis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: Irony continues in our history
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:38:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <2414@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <BssH1K.3qJ@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>
>>    Don't you think that before speaking out on behalf of a nation
>>    we should consider how that nation treated their Jews during WWII
>>    and what, if anything, has changed in their collective attitude
>>    toward the Jews since than?
>
>No.
>
>If people somewhere are being rounded up and shot, particularly if
>it's being done on the basis of their ethnicity, this is too close for
>comfort.  

    I have yet to see any evidence that people in xY. are getting 
    rounded up on the basis of their ethnicity and shot.

    We silently stood by when the Syrians rounded up and summarily 
    executed 700 Christian militiamen in Lebanon, all because Syria was
    our ally of the month.  Compare that to our outrage caused by
    the Serbians keeping their POWs in concentration camps.

>  Even the Nazis who were executed by the Allies stood trial
>first.  The fact that some members of group X are anti-semites, or
>even were active participants in the Holocaust (in which case those
>people should be prosecuted in a court of law) does not eliminate our
>responsibility (and the rest of the world's) for the group as a whole,
>let alone their children.

    I do not see why our responsibility for the Croatians and Bosnian
    Muslims should be greater than that of the rest of the world's.

    
   



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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:31:37 GMT
Organization: liver ---> spleen

For the life of me I can't recall how we got from the original subject line
to the subject of this post, but Ive kept it for reference.

In article <567@kesher.UUCP> aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) writes:

>So, I'm sorta a collector for egg creme recipes (still looking for the "perfect"
>egg creme).

>Got a good recipe?

One caveat: "egg cream recipe" is an oxymoron.  Making an egg cream is
an art form.  It is a combination of sculpture and performance and is
probably one of the highest forms of art, so these are more guidelines
than directions.   :-)

Ingrediants and Supplies
----------- --- --------

very cold milk
Fox's U-Bet (this does not constitute an endorsement or advertising.  The
		fact that you cannot make a real egg cream with anything
		else notwithstanding.)
chilled seltzer (in an emergency, club soda may be substituted. Shudder)
large drinking glass (who would ever want only a small egg cream???)
long spoon
drinking straw (optional; an egg cream mustache is a sign of virility,
		intelligence, and class)

Method
------

Fill the glass one half to a one third full with milk.

Pour in enough chocolate syrup to make a strong chocolate drink.  Use
the spoon to stir, making sure to scrape the sides and bottoms of the
glass.  Leaving a few syrup streaks is acceptable as the dark syrup
contrasting with the lighter milk are what gave Rorschach the idea for
his ink blot tests.  Make it more chocolaty than you'd prefer to drink
as chocolate milk as it will be diluted by the seltzer.

Carefully add the seltzer so that chocolaty bubbles start to form and
rise.  You should stop adding seltzer before the foam reaches the top
of the glass so that the bubbles, which continue forming and expanding,
rise but do not overflow the glass.  This is where experience (and art,
again) come in.  My father and teacher (avi mori) is one of the best
I've seen.  He can pour the seltzer such that the foam teeters as if it
is about to froth over but then changes its mind and stays in the
glass. This will take practice.  Then again, the Mona Lisa wasn't his
first painting.

Optional: wait till the bubbles settle and carefully add more seltzer.

Drink.

Enjoy!

In our next lesson, we should probably discuss the right way to _drink_ an
egg cream.  This is an art in itself.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:23:34 GMT

D. C. Sessions writes:

># Let's not lose sight of the following FACT.  Those of us who observe
># Judaism, as taught by the Conservative or Reform movements, are
># observing our common religion in a manner consistent with a legitimate
># interpretation of what God expects from us, the Jewish people.
>
>  If so, this merits at least a section in every history of philosophy.
>  For the first and so far only time in human experience, a value
>  judgment (legitimacy) has been established as a FACT, placing it
>  ahead of such commonplace certainties as the law of gravity and
>  the rising of the sun in the morning.  (These being only theories
>  induced from facts, and thus one degree removed.)

I guess if one can't refute a remark, the only intelligent thing
is to post some cutesy stupidity, as D. C. Sessions has done.

I'll put it very simply.  When the time comes that I will have to
recite Kaddish, I don't want, or need, any ignoramus even
tentatively implying that I didn't "properly" fulfil the mitzvah
because (1) it's being recited in a Conservative synagogue (which,
contrary to what some seem to believe, is NOT the same as St.
Mary's RC), and (2) the minyan, while consisting of at least 10
adults, did not consist of at least 10 men.

I also don't need some ignoramus implying that my marriage is
not legal "b'Yisrael" because it was a double ring ceremony.
(Or is this the passtime of certain Jews- to belittle, mock,
and ridicule what they or their sect don't believe in?)

Civil war among us resulted in, or hastened, the destruction of
the Temple; let's just accept the FACT that no one denomination or
sect among us has a monopoly on the definition or the right way
to observe our common religion.

Sometimes it seems that the Serbs and Bosnians learned from us.
Here we are, subsets of the same ethnic group, and we're at each
others' throats.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:03:18 GMT

In article <86107@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu
(Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.170748.2192@cc.gatech.edu>, amir@cc (Amihood
>Amir) writes:

>>The reforms have no problem. cigarrettes are not mentioned in the Torah.

>Oh yeah?  Ever hear of Camels?

And what about the giant cigarette with which God led the Israelites
through the desert - a piller (plume) of smoke by day and fire (the
lighted tip) by night.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:28:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.122217.14119@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:
>
>In article <564@kesher.UUCP>, aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) writes:
>Aaron, please get a good reply address for internet...
>  
>  In article <564@kesher.UUCP> you write:
>  |>
>  |>Of COURSE a Jew should settle in Israel.  It is a great mitzvah.  However,
>  |>due to the lack of extensive shopping malls and central airconditioning,
>  |>I have sincere doubts I'll ever get my wife to leave Dallas.....
>  |>

For the person who originally posted this article: Do you really expect to here
NO! for this question on SCJ?


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NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:58:43 GMT

In article <-#!nfbp.yosi@netcom.com> yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog) writes:
>
>
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>
>: For the person who originally posted this article: Do you really expect to here
>: NO! for this question on SCJ?
>
>I guess most of the people who listen to the traffic on this list are
>jews. A big portion of them are not in Israel. I guess I will hear from some
>of them that it is not so important 'where you are jew' but 'what jew/person
>are you'. But maybe I am wrong. 
>
>What about you, do you think there is any importance for a jew to live
>in Israel?
>
>-Yosi
>

You are asking the wrong person. However I will be honest with you and tell
you my opinion. If you ask the question "Does a Jew have the right to live
in Israel?" I would answer "A Jew have the right to live anywhere in the 
world and so does anyone else". As far as is it important, I would say I don't
know simply because I am not a Jew.
>-- 
-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Advertising on the Net, a Hypothetical Question
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:58:34 GMT

In <16AUG199219072245@vms.huji.ac.il> rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:

    A hypothetical question about advertising.

[Summarized by WB]
    an acceptable posting about feeding O Jews, questionable
    mention that the poster is not Jewish, is this egregious advertising?

I fail to see how.  What product is being advertised?  Presumably the
food is to be served without charge.

Of course if we use advertise in the sense of "to make known by public
notice", omitting "generally in order to sell", I suppose most
postings on this net advertise, or at least are posted in the
supposition that they are carriers of information.  This posting,
then, advertises a number of pieces of information (or at least
information about what its writer thinks) but doesn't aim to sell
anything.

Egregious?  Yes, if we're speaking Latin and the "herd" is defined
to be Jews.

BTW, was this really a hypothetical question posed for purposes of
stimulating an informative discussion?  Here's another equally
hypothetical situation: a person on the net is criticized for doing
something.  So he wishes to show that his critic does exactly the same
thing (but fails).  Is this a flame?

[N.B. no assumptions are to be drawn from this about what I think
about the recent article announcing the publication of a book.]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Subject: Re: Jews in former Yugoslavia
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:01:18 GMT


In article <199208101341.AA22551@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
|>bm062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Jacobs) asks:
|>>How many Jews still live in Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, etc. And do they want to
|>>leave? Are they observant? I guess that says it all. Of course I realize that
|>>the answersare not quite so simple as the questions above, but it's a start...
|>
|>Why is it important to know if they are observant?
|>
You know, I do not know if that is important. It seems much more important that
they be brought out of there, alive and well, and perhaps brought home to
Israel.
--
________________________________________________________________________
|            Ben Pashkoff                 BEN@VMSA.TECHNION.AC.IL      |
|                                                                      |
| "There is nothing better for the body than silence." Pirke Avot 1:17 |
|______________________________________________________________________|
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: become jewish ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:22:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Aug17.204510.19738@sarah.albany.edu>, mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.143817.11555@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:
> >5) I have been told by religious Iraqi and Syrian Jews that
> >I am not really a Jew
> 
> Upon what grounds?
> 
> --Mark

My point was that there may be a tribal element to Judaism
(or flavors of Jewish culture) that
may have transcended the halachic "rules".
I didn't ask them if I was halachically a Jew.
They may have had as much trouble accepting our Yiddish
culture as Jewish, as some Ashkenazim had accepting their
Arabic or Spanish culture as Jewish.  Who knows.  I just
report the incident.

Perhaps this is a reaction to the discrimination
that Sephardim experienced in Israel at the hands
of Ashkenazim?

	Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own, not my employers'.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends - help!
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.071856.10345@intacc.uucp> lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.171240.27294@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>If one is a non-Jew, and has Orthodox friends over from time
>>to time, what can legitimately be offered them to eat or drink,
>>and still leave them at ease?  Obviously coffee and tea are
>>safe, but I'd like (if I can) to be more hospitable than this.
>
>	Any hot drinks should be offered in a styrofoam cup.
>	(In this case, a new plastic spoon for mixing would be
>	nice.)
>	Raw fruits and veggies are generally ok. Cold drinks,
>	other than wine or a wine based lacquer, etc., are
>	also ok.

Oh, a nice cherry varnish usually goes well.
-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.133137.27509@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>Ingrediants and Supplies
>----------- --- --------
>
>very cold milk
>Fox's U-Bet (this does not constitute an endorsement or advertising.  The
>		fact that you cannot make a real egg cream with anything
>		else notwithstanding.)
>chilled seltzer (in an emergency, club soda may be substituted. Shudder)
>large drinking glass (who would ever want only a small egg cream???)
>long spoon
>drinking straw (optional; an egg cream mustache is a sign of virility,
>		intelligence, and class)
>
>Method
>------
[method deleted]

Where is the egg? 
Where is the cream?

Is an egg cream really a chocolate ice cream float, sans ice cream?


-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mannj@acf9.nyu.edu (Jordan Mann)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST
Keywords: ISRAEL CLINTON BOOR ARKIE SLICK-WILLY
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:44:33 GMT

aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) writes:

>I am no big fan of Clinton, but neither am I a big fan of Bush.  I am having a 
>hard time trying to find out who to vote for, because while I think CLinton
>will be much better for Israel, I think he will be an economic disaster for
>the U.S.  (And visa-versa for Bush).  So, I asked for a report on Clintons
>stand on Israel.

>           BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST

>[...]

Where did you get this information?

I found it peculiar that some of the reasoning in this document was a little
muddled.   For example, the article praises "the genius of [Israel's] people,"
(I think that was the phrase,) and goes on to say that America has benefited
from this genius.  In what way?  In that Israel bought so many billions of 
dollars of American products.  How the heck does that show the genius of a 
people?  The document also says that the arms race in the Middle East must
be halted, and *therefore* the US should help Israel finish development of 
the Arrow missile. Huh?

>| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right  |

--

Jordan Mann at NYU      (mannj@cims.nyu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: ISRAEL CLINTON BOOR ARKIE SLICK-WILLY


Going from the sublime to the er, uh, umm, well anyway another Israeli
export is "Lavilin", a deodorant which lasts for 7 days and more (36%
of the subjects found it lasted 15 days). It was tested at Tel-Aviv
University Medical School. The active ingredients are Arnica and Calendula,
and it contains no Aluminum salts. It is available in the U.S. in many
health food stores, and is apparently "a great success in Australia and
Switzerland".

Apparently it works by killing odor-causing bacteria, which take, it is
claimed, up to 15 days to regenerate. Thus showers don't affect its
long-term effectiveness.

For those interested in more details, there's a full-page ad on p.95
of the September issue of "Vegetarian Times" and their phone number
is 800-LAV-ILIN; in New Jersey 201-387-0300.

I have no connection with them, nor have I used the product.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Bringing up Baby
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:43:31 GMT

In article <LGOLD.92Aug12160000@callahans.Cadence.COM> lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:
>My brother's girlfriend just found out she's pregnant.
>
>Since she's Catholic, she's (of course) going through with the
>pregnancy, and they're getting married.
>
>HE, however, is Jewish.
>
>The two have agreed that while she doesn't want to convert, they want
>to raise the children as Jewish.  He wants to do a "conversion at
>birth" since the children won't be born Jewish.
>
>1. Is this doable?
>2. If not, how can they raise the children as Jews?

The best advice is to see your local reform or conservative rabbi.

From what I've read here, most reform rabbis would accept the child
as Jewish if raised as Jewish.  A formal conversion might not be
required, but would be doable.


The conservative position is probably more complicated.

A formal conversion could certainly be arranged, and is not that
uncommon.  The difficulty is that the marriage, from a conservative
position, is not recognized as a Jewish marriage.  If this is not a
stumbling block, then contact your local conservative rabbi.  When a
conversion takes place as a baby, at Bar/Bat mitzvah age the child
is asked to reaffirm that he/she is indeed committing to be Jewish.

Note, there is not a concept of "illigitamacy" involved, even though
the marriage is not recognized as a Jewish marriage.  The child
would be a Jewish convert with all rights and privileges of all
Jewish converts which -- with a very very few exceptions such as
relate to marrying a Kohen -- are the same as any other Jew.

You state that they both want to raise the child as Jewish.  That
becomes more difficult when one parent lacks knowledge of Judaism.
So education of parents as well as child may be helpful here.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus