From: olds@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Angel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: slang 'Chummer' and Decker Style
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:58:36 GMT
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Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Subject: Re: SRUN: Shadowrun II combat modifications

>In article <ERICH.92Jul15162844@lighthouse.caltech.edu> erich@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Erich Schneider) writes:
>>In article <wilder.711225521@mik.uky.edu> wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>>
>>I happen to like Shadowrun's background a lot, but this is one of the
>>things about a certain class of Shadowrun _fans_ that really I don't
>>like, a lot.  I too, did not interpret Axly's "chummer" as a friendly
>>statement. It carried, for me, the connotation of "my use of this
>>Shadowrun-slang term indicates that I am a member of the 'hard-core
>>Shadworun players' clique and thus know more about the game than you
>>do."
>
>I just see it as having a little fun.  When you're playing the game
>you're supposed to role play.  Its fun to occasionally post in the
>persona of one of your characters.
>
	>>>>>[ Nothing personal here, But I only see you having two
	       main choices here ... that is to use it, or ignore it! 
	       Hear me out on this... (at least before flaming). ]<<<<<<

	It is just that simple.....I am not trying to be mean here,
	but if we weren't suppose to incorporate the slang, then please,
	pray tell, why it was printed in the source books?  For fun?
	YES!  Exactly the point.  This is my point.  This game is for
	recreation and for FUN!  If you take offense to it(slang), I am sorry, 
	but maybe you should look at it in a different way.  Some people
	*LIVE* for these fantasy games...others don't.  But for those
	that do, who are we to say, "Hey, you jerk, why are you printing
	things on the net like that?  I don't like it, so stop"...come
	on now....aren't we somewhat mature ... (Not intended to be
	an insult to you, I am talking in general).  WHo are we to say
	don't do this, and don't do that.  I am not here to be a mom, I am
	here for fun.  To have discussions about a hobby.  WHy do we
	have the right to take the fun out someone else's way of treating
	their hobby....merely because you can't get a grip on how to use
	the slang?  Or because you take things in the wrong context, without
	reading the words that surround the one "word" that upsets you.

	C'mon, give me a break.  Chummer is no worse than friend.  It all
	depends on the context in which it is used, and you aren't willing 
	to read the whole article, why do you bother to read at all... ??

>>
>>The funny thing is, I haven't really seen the fans of other games
>>adopt the game-universe slang into their writing style. Only Shadowrun
>>fans go around calling each other "chummer", post in the
>>pseudo-idiotic "troll" persona (if ya dunno what that means, yer in
>>the wrong place, chummer), and use the extremely non-useful and
>>difficult to format "Shadowrun Decker followup style (TM)".
>
>Hum, how long have you been around the net?  A few months ago there
>were literally hundreds of posts from Dwarfs, elves, humans, hobbits,
>Trolls etc... all threatening to kill eachother.  I thought it was
>quite funny.  There's no harm.
>
	Actually, I think he was refering to other net categories....as in he
	doesn't see to many other groups on the net using it...if I am wrong,
	please let me know.  In any case, I think that is just one of the 
	cool things about this group...we go out of our way to incorporate
	our characters and game mechanics and role play into our discussions.
	If you don't like it, simply don't do it.  But please, do not try to
	prohibit others from enjoying themself.....we are talking opinions and
	your opinion is as important as theirs, so enforce it, not by complaining
	about other styles, but by showing and using your own style, that's half
	the fun of this place....if you aren't willing to compromise, then there
	is a real problem, and it isn't with those who use Decker Style.


>Finally, I don't think its an attitude thing.  Your mileage may vary.
>Your generalization about ShadowRun players is not good.  You shouldn't
>say things like that or Talon the Eagle Shaman may pay a visit to your
>lodge. ;->
>
		I agree, I use the decker style once in a while, but not because
		I think I am a guru...egads, I *KNOW* I am far from it.  I just
		like the way it looks, and if you are posting in the form of a
		character and not as in you, the person, I think it looks and sounds
		more real...as far as real can get in a game that is... ;)
		Decker style, IMHO, is also sometimes better and easier to read for
		me.   I actually like it. ;)

>>
>>It would make my life a lot more pleasant, personally, if this sort of
>>thing withered away. Use alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo for playing these
>>little attitude games on the net.
>

	Oh, please.....I know I remember someone else saying this too, but why don't
	you try to lay off of the attitude and complex as well.  This is a game
	and people want to have fun...even you.  What the hell does it matter if
	someone wants to put brackets with less than and greater than signs around
	their text....??? Really?  Is it that much of a problem for you?  I don't
	think it should be....try to relax and take it easy...no one is purposely
	posting in this style to aggravate you personally.  ;)  Relax and
	enjoy yourself....that is what this place is meant for....fun! Fun! FUn! FUN!
	have a little and enjoy yourself....


			****just my opinion on the matter....no flame intended,
			    but if you must flame back, send it through e-mail***

					Quick Silver, The Indian Princess
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