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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:36:25 GMT

In article <lftmqbINNsc@news.bbn.com> welch@bbn.com (Tom Welch Jr.) writes:
>bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu (brian) writes:
>
>[Stuff deleted]
>Pink Floyd recorded their first album "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn", in Abby
>Road...at the same time that the Beatles were recording Sgt. Pepper. I read
>that Paul came into their studio when they were recording, and listened...

I'm not sure who listened, but the Fabs and the Floyd were indeed in
Abbey Road during the same time period, and there are stories floating
around that either Paul or John popped in to see what Floyd were up to.

Syd Barrett, erstwhile Floyd member, seems to have spent some of
his waning sanity proclaiming that he was owed at least as much
respect as John Lennon (whom he admired intensely, from various
reports), refusing at one point to sing live on the British TV
show "Top Of The Pops" because John didn't have to do the same.

Other than this, I'm not sure what connection between the two groups
can be drawn, except a tenuous, non-musical one: the animator who
created some of Pink Floyd's strangest and most admirable "cartoons",
political artist Gerald Scarfe, is married to Paul McCartney's
ex-fiancee.

Now you'll be set if this one comes up on "Trivial Pursuit". :-)

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Rolling Stones
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:48:56 GMT

In article <tp923083.721267109@vine> tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt) writes:
>>     Don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Beatles!
>>          But, how come there's no rec.music.stones, eh?
>I agree.

I just noticed an Internet list , UNDERCOVER, was created... so you 
could have satisfaction .
 
:-)

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"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: Silly Paul Songs
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:58:45 GMT

mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:

>On the subject of Silly McCartney songs, here's my top ten Macca stinkers...

>             1. You Gave Me The Answer [V. Silly indeed]
>             2. C Moon
>             3. Magneto and Titanium Man
>             4. Rock Show
>             5. We All Stand Together
>             6. Ou Est Le Soleil
>             7. Monkberry Moon Delight
>             8. With A Little Luck
>             9. Coming Up
>            10. Press.

S'funny. 2,7,9 & 10 are among *some* of my favorites.
(Granted they are a bit silly, but that's not necessarily *all* bad)

I thought 1,3,4 & 8 were alright. (altho' 1 *is* very silly indeed!)

5 & 6 are too new to have made a huge impression on me.

Just my HO's.

				James Willer
[any opinions above must be registered with the federal government]
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave)
Subject: Re: Helter Skelter (was Re:Tomorrow Never Knows original take)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.050521.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.003930.16069@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
>> yeah, i'd still LOVE to hear take 1 of this (along with the 20+ mintute
>> version of "helter skelter"

>   Is the long version of Helter Skelter actually available on 
>any boots?  None of the ones I've seen have it.

not that i know of, either.  that's why i'm still looking for it. :)
anyone out there seen it?

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu )
( "silence means security.  silence means approval."                     )
(  - r.e.m., "begin the begin"                                           )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:26:26 GMT

In article <tahonen.61@katk.Helsinki.FI> tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen) writes:
>A drummer of a Finnish rock band called 'Eppu Normaali' (Abe Normal, for all
>those Mel Brooks fans there), Aku Syrja", did in 1980 a solo single, the 
>title of which was 'Ringo ja Aku' (Ringo and Aku).
>
>Selected quotes from the lyrics roughly translated into English follow:
>(In English, with THE tune) Oh yeah, oh right, are you gonna be in my dreams 
>tonight." followed by DRUM SOLO (the beginning's the same as..., but then Aku 
>does his own stuff.)
>
>Original Finnish lyrics by Juhani "Juice" Leskinen. The same guy, by the way,
>translated Mark Shipper's "Paperback Writer" into Finnish, so he's quite 
>much into Beatles, I guess.
>
>Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
>University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
>Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
>Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson

	Hey...I've got an Eppu Normaali album.  I'll have to go back
	and listen to "Rakkauden KuuMaa"(?) for hidden messages!  Doesn't
	Juice Leskinen also have an album cover that is a blatant parody
	of John's Imagine (soundtrack) artwork (colorful, stylized 
	self-portrait, complete with a cursive signature that, from a distance,
	looks like John's)?!  By the way, I first heard the real "Imagine" 
	while taking a driving break, looking across a sunlit field of summer
	hay and cloudberries at 11:30 at night, just north of Oulu, Finland...
	it was epiphanic.

				Nat Pearson
				raindrop@leland.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: kjmcrae@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (insert name here)
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:46:24 GMT

jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
: How about "Life In A Northern Town"?  The name of the artist escapes me,
: but remember this verse:
: 
: He said
: In winter nineteen sixty-three
: It felt like the world would freeze
: With John F. Kennedy
: And the Beatles
: 
: (ghostly echo of crazed teenage screaming...)
 
I think this song was done by The Dream Academy (?), in about 1983-4 ???

...km
"I'm a man who respects a good coma." - J.Seinfeld
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sergent Papper Mono
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:38:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: kariba.RSHAPIRO.92Nov6153823
	<8evgQ6O00awKFKLEgN@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1992Oct29.001303.17524@math.ucla.edu>
	<Qew2gOi00iV4I3LqML@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: ab3f+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 29 Oct 92 18:19:06 GMT

In article <Qew2gOi00iV4I3LqML@andrew.cmu.edu> ab3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arthur Edgar Bucholtz) writes:
   MONO copy (British pressing) of said LP.


Is the US mono version different from the UK mono version? Parlophone
pressings from the 60s are certainly nothing special, in terms of
sound quality.
Xref: sparky rec.music.beatles:5563 rec.music.misc:27067
From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: more music trivia
Date: 4 Nov 92 10:17:18 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

> (Lisa Dick) writes:
> We need to know where to find the backward masked message
> paul is dead. (daed si luap)

Forgive me for shouting but... THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!
From: mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Silly Paul Songs
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:52:32 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

On the subject of Silly McCartney songs, here's my top ten Macca stinkers...

             1. You Gave Me The Answer [V. Silly indeed]
             2. C Moon
             3. Magneto and Titanium Man
             4. Rock Show
             5. We All Stand Together
             6. Ou Est Le Soleil
             7. Monkberry Moon Delight
             8. With A Little Luck
             9. Coming Up
            10. Press.
Xref: sparky rec.music.beatles:5722 rec.music.misc:27522
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:56:31 GMT

dave (prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: 
: you answered your own question here. :)  yes, modern tape recorders
: (even low priced models) are good at NOT leaving punch-in/out noises,
: but these were VERY old machines they were using - even by 1966 standards.
: yes, those noises are punch-ins/outs.  more precisely, they are the 
: sounds of what was being recorded as the tape STARTS to move.  since
: there is (was) a lag-time in the tape machine motor getting up to full
: speed, the machine would start recording while the tape was moving
: slightly slower than normal, so that on playback, the sound would be
: sped up.  therefore, you hear these little high-pitch glitches that
: sound like a tape being rewound.

Apparently this machine was around for Dark Side of the Moon (1973/4?),
because there's a marvelous little 'fwip' at the beginning of Time, just
after all the clocks go off.  (on my recording anyway, it's a Harvest
CD which is an unusual mix).  I don't thing GM was involved, but Alan
Parsons was, and I know it was done at Abbey Road.

ObBeatlesReference:  Just what DOES "All Together Now" mean?!??!?!??

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Don't blame me; I voted for Perot!                hinzd@picard.med.ge.com 
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.             Pherrets are Phun!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: pstodd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Paul Stoddard x5559)
Subject: Introducing The Beatles on CD?
Reply-To: pstodd@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Paul Stoddard x5559)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:57:45 GMT

In a recent issue of "Goldmine" magazine, there was an advertisement
for "Introducing The Beatles" on CD. The claim was that the disc was
all stereo and had been made from the master tape for the album. Has
anyone seen, or, more importantly, heard this disc? How good/bad is
the sound quality? The seller was an individual in Japan. The terms
of sale were either postal money order or cash via registered mail.
The cost was $38.00. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has ex-
perience with this CD.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave)
Subject: Re: more music trivia
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 08:41:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.043656.18712@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Not Necessarily Stoned, But Beautiful) writes:
>In article <1dgjnuINN45s@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk  
>(Mr J D Morris) writes:
>> 	2 - On 'Baby You're A Rich Man' John sings alternative lyrics in the
>> 	fade. I can't quite make them out but they seem to be an abusive
>> 	comment about Brian Epstein - as in John's working title for this
>> 	song...
>I know I'm missing something -- What WAS his working title for the song?   
>(Just e-mail if that's a FAQ.)

(apologies in advance ...)
rumor has (had) it that john was singing "baby, you're a rich fag jew."

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu )
( "silence means security.  silence means approval."                     )
(  - r.e.m., "begin the begin"                                           )
From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: beatles albums
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:31:48 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Will sell my Beatles collection- Best offer.  27 Albums.  Includes "Butcher Block" (Yesterday and Today), VJ- Songs, Pictures and stories, V.J.-Beatles Tell All V.J.-Introducing the Beatles,  45- Four by the Beatles, Beatles with Tony Sheridan, previous are all original in good condition.  Other albums are later releases in mint condition. For more information send mail to IN%"slchb@usu.edu"
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Under The Influence
Keywords: Beatles cover recordings
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:44:48 GMT


Seen in London last week....

"Under the Influence - The original versions of the songs the 
BEATLES  covered"  Sequel Records  NEX CD 226

Interesting cover disclaimer

     Nothing should be taken to construe that the members of the 
     Beatles or their authorised agents have endorsed the release 
     of this CD.

Featuring...

     Anna                Arthur Alexander
     Chains              The Cookies
     Boys                The Shirelles
     Baby Its You        The Shirelles
     A Taste of Honey    Lenny Welch
     Twist & Shout       Isley Brothers
     Till There Was You  Peggy Lee
     Please Mr Postman   Marvelettes
     Roll Over B'hoven   Chuck Berry
     You've really got
          a hold on me   Smokey Robinson & Miracles
     Devil in His Heart  The Donays
     Money               Barrett Strong
     Long Tall Sally     Little Richard
     Slowdown            Larry Williams
     Rock & Roll music   Chuck Berry
     Matchbox            Carl Perkins
     Mr Moonlight        Dr Feelgood & The Interns
     Kansas City         Little Richard
     Words of Love       Buddy Holly
     Honey Don't         Carl Perkins
     Everybody's trying
          to be my baby  Carl Perkins
     Act naturally       Buck Owens
     Dizzy Miss Lizzy    Larry Williams
     Bad Boy             Larry Williams

No idea what it is like, due to complications with Mother 
Christmas.  If it is half as good as the equivalent Stones thing 
(Stoned Alchemy), then it will be splendid.

The disclaimer is entertaining - not least because Macca 
presumably HAD to approve it as the copyright owner of the Buddy 
Holly song!

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: v059nrcg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael D Vago)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Revolution 1-->22
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Maybe this is old news to everyone, but I read somewhere that the Beatles
recorded as many as 22 versions of their classic "Revolution".  Revolution 2
is found on the single with "Hey Jude", 1 and 9 are on the White Album, and 
the others may be different songs, or just alternate takes.  I heardthat
Revolution 18 is the most powerful version, but it's lenght kept it off the
single and the White Album.  If anyone can get me a copy of any Revolutions,
I will be your slave forever.  E-Mail me at V059NRCG@cc.buffalo.edu

Mike Vago
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:16:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Silly Paul Songs
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

In rec.music.beatles, mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:

> On the subject of Silly McCartney songs, here's my top ten Macca stinkers...

>              1. You Gave Me The Answer [V. Silly indeed]
>              2. C Moon
>              3. Magneto and Titanium Man
>              4. Rock Show
>              5. We All Stand Together
>              6. Ou Est Le Soleil
>              7. Monkberry Moon Delight
>              8. With A Little Luck
>              9. Coming Up
>             10. Press.


I agree with most of those, but will never forget the adrenalin rush
of watching McCartney/Wings rocking the crap out of that song back
in '76 at the SF Cow Palace.  And to think, there wasn't a cow in the
place that I know of. 

Fortunately songs like With A Little Luck hadn't been released yet.  Remember
that video?  Phewwww!
From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: E-mail your "Beatles in other songs"
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:36:38 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Eric Ilosthislastname writes:

>[much deleted]
>In closing, shouldn't this list apply only to casual mentions of the Beatles?
>I see a lot of songs listed in other posts that are full-blown tributes to them
>(e.g. Elton John's "Empty Garden"). There are hundreds of tribute records, and
>if we go on citing those, I think this topic could go on a bit too long and 
>leave no room for other topics (it might be too late now, though, the number of
>followups is incredible!).

The list originated as "songs about The Beatles", so of course I am still
looking for these. Please keep them coming, and please e-mail them (see
below).


edward s. chen writes:

>[Beatles in literature deleted]

>If you intend to do this, PLEASE mail to the original author, and
>do not post.   The number of messages in this group is already outrageous
>with the rampant "songs that mention the Beatles" thread (particularly 
>since people are not reading before posting, and thus posting information
>which was posted multiple, multiple times).

****   Please e-mail contributions to: dthompson@mgi.com   ****

This thread was re-started by vishy, but I'm still compiling the list, which
of course will be posted when this all dies down. I would post it now, but
almost none of the items being posted are duplicates of what I have. As I said
before, I will be glad to send the list as-is to anyone who requests it.

>To whoever is compiling the novelties list:  look around used bookstores for
>a copy of _You Can't Do That_ by Charles Reinhart, published in 1981. Although
>a good deal of the book is a Castleman / Podrazik style look at these early
>Beatle bootlegs, there is an extensive section covering all manner of novelty
>records, and another covering 40 or so Lennon tributes released in 1981.

Thank you. This book and "All Together Now" are mentioned in the list.
Unfortunately, I didn't know about them until the list had been generating
floods of responses in rec.music.dementia for weeks.

If I had heard about these books when I first posted the question to 
rec.music.beatles many months ago, I would have dropped the list right
there, but it seems to have taken on a life of it's own.

MOKO
dthompson@mgi.com
From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lennon leads
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:51:11 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov11.230000.16565@midway.uchicago.edu>, rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Brother Robert) writes:
> A subject that our good friend Mark is quite lax concerning is who plays the 
> various guitar parts on Beatles songs.  Specifically, who plays all the
> leads.    
> Anyway, I'm sure there were more times that John
> (or Paul, for that matter) played the lead.  So, what are they?

Here is a reasonably complete list of guitar parts not played by George. 
Feel free to add any that might slip my mind.

John:
You Can't Do That
Get Back
I Want You (She's So Heavy)--done in tandem w/Gerorge
The End
Every Little Thing--according to some sources; never proved with certainty.
I Feel Fine (another duet w/George)
I'm So Happy Just to Dance With You--this is open to debate, but I consider
John's part to be a lead since it is heard much more plainly than George's
acoustic.
Across the Universe--this one is popping into my head, but I'm not 100% sure.
Honey Pie.
When I'm Sixty-Four.
Julia

Paul:
Another Girl
Ticket to Ride
Yesterday
Taxman
Good Morning Good Morning
Sgt. Pepper and reprise (?)
Back in the USSR
Mother Nature's Son
Blackbird
I Will
The End

Eric Robinette
erobinette@desire.wright.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell)
Subject: What song is this?
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:56:16 GMT

I heard this song in a supermarket today.  It sounded very beatle-ish,
like somebody's solo project (George?), which is why I'm posting here.
Also, it should be some fun to figure out my cryptic notation system. 
This is rough, from memory, but someone might be able to figure it out.

major key, tempo 90bpm (slow ballad), verse & chorus
|       |       |       | low1  |       | high1 |       |       |
-5534323-5534323-5556543341------44454323451----6b3b2-1-1-------|
1-------7-------7b------6-------6b----7b1-7-6-5-6b--7b--1-------|
|       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |
77766---77766-67176536----------77766---77766-67176536----------|
4-------4-----456---5---6---6---4-------4-----5-6---6---5---5---|
|       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |

Evan A. Reidell (ereidell@athena.mit.edu)
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Rolling Stones
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
: In article <tp923083.721267109@vine> tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt) writes:
: >In <1992Nov5.175128.721@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter) writes:
: >
: >>     Don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Beatles!
: >>          But, how come there's no rec.music.stones, eh?
: >I agree.
: 
: I have no objection. But the person most suited to suggest such a
: newsgroup's genesis, Steve Carter, Rolling-Stones expert and maven,
: may have other projects to accomplish. Besides, we'd lose his
: sensible British presence if r.m.s. were around... or so I fear.
: 
: It's always been an unwritten rule that any British Invasion band
: is a welcome topic in r.m.b., and so far I've heard no complaints
: about this policy. Some of us (no names, please) have even been
: known to admit that they prefer a Stones concert to a Macca gig. :-)
: 

That rmb is such a broad and tolerant church is its attraction,
alongside the basic supremacy of the core subject matter!  We must
also remember that despite the manupilations of early sixties
publicity machines, it *is* possible to be a great fan of both bands!

As for the nascent r.m.stones, this comes up periodically.  Maybe one
day I'll do a FAQ on my views!  Much as I love the Stones, I have not
seen enough interest to warrant a sensible active newsgroup. 
Potentially when they tour there would be interest?  I always reply
that a newsgroup rec.music.sixties may be a better, wider and thus
more viable newsgroup.

However, the aside in a posting the other day, about a mailing list
intrigued me...


Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:22:17 GMT
Subject: Tomorrow Never Knows original take
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles



Greetings Fellow RMBers,

In The Book, Lewisohn talks about an early take of Tomorrow Never Knows,
how it's an incredible take.

There's a take on Unsurpassed Masters - is this the same one Mr. Lewisohn
discusses?

dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com
Dennis Alstrand at HP's Response Center