From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Summary: Let's find another place to ride, or fix the problem here.
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:12:40 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <casseres-081092112844@missmolly.apple.com>, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes...

>> The object here is to co-exist.
> 
>Yes, and that's exactly what we do.  I ride Skyline on weekends all the
>time and (as most of the cyclists in this discussion have said) there is
>basically no problem.  Motorcyclists are much less of a problem to me than
>cars are.  I am much less of a problem to them than cars are.  What
>happened last Sunday was an aberration, completely untypical.  It has
>nothing to do with the normal scene on Skyline on the weekend.


	Hoo boy, I guess you just didn't get the picture didja? There are too 
many crazies of BOTH species of two wheeled traffic up in the hills now. And I 
don't have any solutions about how to fix that, "the police your own" idea we 
tried busting out at the 'Gregorio General Store didn't have much for it, so 
I dunno. You cyclists wanna grab your fellow cyclist by the scruff of the 
neck and drag him off to the sherrif when he shoots straight through a red 
light or stop sign? Naw, I didn't think so. How about you riders? Wanna take 
a plate number and go to the sherrif when you see somebody doing something 
stupid and illegal? Didn't think so either. So what are we gonna do? Let's 
see if you guys can come up with a positive solution to a negative problem.

	What I DO know is that the "right to ride" attitude we are seeing in 
so many of these posts and the personal attacks I found on my e-mail this 
morning (!!!) are getting to be the more common attitude. Now I don't argue 
that you have a right to ride, but I am asking you to be considerate of 
others. Those you share the road with and those of us whose homes you are 
riding by. You'd be suprised how often I find uninvited guests in my dirveway 
fixing tires, getting water, tightening bolts.......


	For those of you who send me nasty mail, I don't post anonymously 
beacuse I presume you are mature enough to speak civily to me. I guess I 
was wrong about that. Here's some answers to the, well, I guess I'd call 
them questions you threw at me.

	1) Yes, we do get fed up with the sounds of motorcycles roaring all 
day long, but no, we aren't going to enact legislation to stop the bikers from 
coming up and especially not so bicyclists can have the place to themselves, 
as you seem to suggest. We find the bicycist's shenanigans just as annoying 
as the motorcyclist's noise. Guess which group is more likely to be in my 
yard, using my hose to fill their water-bottles or soak their shirts? I 
oughta charge you a quarter every time I find someone out doing that. I 
could make $20 on a heavy weekend.

	2) No, I don't presume to "own the roads", but I certainly don't 
appreciate folks making it dangerous for me to get home by riding like they 
want to die today. If you want to die that badly, there's a big graffitti 
covered rock down by 9 that has what used to be a bulls-eye on it. Go rev 
up and kiss it real hard if you like. And just remember when you start 
bitching about us locals wanting to "own the road", pretty often we're the 
ones who take care of you when you crack up. I already told you about two 
people I cleaned off the road, do I have to tell you about some of the 
others my neighbors and I have scraped up?

	3) Yes, I suppose scaring you away is part of what I intended to do 
with my posting. I just feel that you ought to know about how "nice" evey 
weekend is up there. The sheriff tells me there's at least one injury accident 
every weekend. Just a matter of time until it's you. Like that fellow who 
was doing a cool 55 as he cruised along Skyline, and around the corner came 
another bike they estimate going 140, just three inches over the yellow. 
This was quite a few years ago and I didn't live here then, but I was 
visiting and I heard it. Started a little grass fire at Windy Hill, how many 
remember this one? Wasn't the guy who was doing 55's fault, but he's dead and 
that doesn't change. Think about it. It could be you. We've got a lot of 
idiots up here nowadays. 

	Well, I bet this will get me more nasty mail, but I just thought 
I'd post to the responsible bikers and cycllists out there, and also let 
you know that you wher wrong about not having any of the other kind in this 
group. You do. They let me know they where here this morning. keep this 
string up so maybe a few of them might wake up.

		Have fun and be safe.


			- Ashley
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