From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.a.manga vs r.a.c.manga - A Plea for Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:28:27 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter) writes:

>Well, this debate has gotten HIGHLY acrimonious. I'd just like to ask
>all the participants one thing:

>If your side loses, and the CFV goes ahead with the other name -- PLEASE,
>PLEASE don't vote against it just because of the name.

    No votes exist for very specific reasons. If you do not know what
those reasons are, then you haven't been reading the net long enough.

>It is about as proven as these things can be that rec.arts.{comics.}manga
>will get plenty of traffic -- alt.manga is humming along fine even with
>its limited distribution. This CFV will get a much-requested newsgroup out
>to many more people who might want to read it. That's what netnews is
>for, after all. The specific name is ultimately immaterial.

    For everyone who believes in this statement, my reply to you is
please read the net for a while longer until you understand that keeping
the namespace clean is one of the few things that keeps the net from
digressing into complete anarchy. And when you get right down to it, the
only things that can be considered immaterial are those things we
haven't touched on yet. I'm not sure what they are, but if someone felt
it was important rest assured s/he would have mentioned it.

>I mean, I prefer rec.arts.manga myself, analogous with rec.arts.anime.

    For those who still want to use rec.arts.anime as their prime
example, please read the net for a while longer and understand how the
rec.arts.anime group came about.

>It's short and snappy and emphasizes the unique features of manga.

    Actually, I was wrong before. This IMHO can be considered ultimately
immaterial. Short and Snappy?!

> The group is infinitely more important than its label.

    No one is trying to label this group. What we have been trying to do
is explain to people why this group should be properly catergorized
within the existing namespace hierarchies. if you can't understand this,
then please read UseNet for a while longer before you enter nto
discussions that you don't know about.

SOAPBOX SPOILER WARNING:

    This has been a growing trend of late, people who are still very new
to the net (I'm using < 2 years of UseNet participation as a qualifier
for new here) come up with an idea for a what is basically a pet
newsgroup. They either don't read the Guidelines, or they read them, but
haven't been around long enough to see them actually used. Then they do
whatever they can to get their pet newsgroup passed. As examples I will
use rec.games.cyber (one of the biggest examples of a "pet" newsgroup),
and soc.culture.indian.american which is a prime example of a person
doing anything to get the votes he needed for his group. If anyone
doesn't understand my use of these examples then you might qualify as a
"new" member of the UseNet community.
    It is for these reasons that some of us argue as stronly as we do
for things like the appropriate name. I'm not saying that all of this
necessarily applies to rec.arts.{comics}.manga but I think that some of
it does. It has become quite obvious that there are a number of people
taking place in this debate that are still quite "new" to UseNet and how
things actually work around here. I don't consider this to be a "pet"
newgroup problem, yet, but some of the people are taking it to those
lengths in this naming discussion. 
    Please try to follow the discussions in news.groups for a while, and
ask questions to people in personal e-mail if you don't understand
something. But try to follow and understand for a while before you
follow-up. Thank you for your time, I will now chop up my soapbox for
kindling and try to get back into this discussion.


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