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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:10:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Alternative Tentacles

>Accordiung to me, there is no such thing as "Alternative" music anymore si
>nce
>"alternative" music is pretty mainstream today.
>        I listen to such bands as the Butthole Surfers, Nomeansno, Negativ
>land,
>Sucking
> Chest Wound, Psychic TV, etc... but I would hesitate calling them
>"alternative" because by today's definition, they aren't.
>
>For real alternative music, listen to something from the real "Alternative
>"
>label, Alternative Tentacles.
>
>
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>Speaking of Alternative Tentacles, would anyone have any information on
>what Jello Biafra's next project will be, or maybe when his next spoken
>word album is to be released? I used to receive stuff from them while I
>was on the staff of the campus newspaper, but I don't have their
>catalogues and such an ymore. The last thing I got was Klaus Fluoride's
>last album....
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I do agree with you that most "alternative" music is pretty mainstream
today.  With the success of Nirvana, Helmet, and all the other so called
"alternative" bands making it big on mtv and the like.  Though I do
disagree with you about hesitating to call NoMeansNo an "alternative" band.
As much as I hate to use that word, and as much as that word has been
exploited, and invalidated they still are an alternative band.  By
alternative I mean they don't just adhere to one type of music.  They are
constently catching you off guard, and though I like some of thier punkier
music better they still play a good mix.
If you want to get some truly "alternative" music check out bands like
Pinhead Gunpowder, J Church, Green Day, and countless other punk and
hardcore bands that are on independent labels or put thier music out
themselves.  Afterall DIY (doing it yourself) is the most "alternative" thing
you can do to avoid the mainstream.

Love to all,
Ben
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Where did they get these??

I was watching a tape called American Patchwork, that was about music
in the Miss Delta had the one string instruments....etc. I've been trying
to find/afford a National Steel forever, and i noticed in the video that
the muscians (poor farmers) all had National Steels where and how in the
world did they get them. BTW when i say "poor" i mean in the monetary sense
because otherwise their very rich IMHO i'd rather hang with them than the
money-worshipping kinda people, these people worship life itself very enjoyable
veiwing, MTV should show this video and let some people see the "real thang"
...................L.W.
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>Crossing the highway, late last night
>shoulda looked left, shoulda looked right
>didn't see the station-wagon car
>skunk got squashed, and there you are
>....etc

>Who did it and what was it called, I saw a CD by this fellow yesterday and
>that made me recall this song. BTW Richard Thompson plays on the CD...L.W.

I think that might have been Loudon Wainright III from
"Attempted Mustache" but I'm not certain.  I know I'll
get corrected if I'm wrong.

                           -Tim
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Subject:      None



                       OK, boys and girls, have I missed anything important?
             _-^-_         I'll have something to say soon about Cuban music.
            /-O-O-\
 ---((((---'---U---`---))))---

                  BTW, this is as close to my GIF as you'll ever get ;-)

                  Renato
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:00:15 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM>
Subject:      Compilation Tape: Send me your stuphph

First things first. I want to make this perfectly clear. You have until
FEBRUARY 9 to mail me your songs. I am not dragging this thing out waiting
for stragglers. This is PLENTY of time for you to do what you have to do.
If I do not receive your selections/money/etc. by then, I will not (repeat
NOT) put your songs on the compilation tape. Once again, I'm not trying
to be a dick, I just don't want this thing dragging on forever. If you have
a problem with this deadline, email me and we'll talk about it.

...

The time has come for you to send me your songs for the compilation tape.
This is what I need from you:

1) A PICTURE of yourself (preferably one BRIGHT and SHINY and not real big)
   This picture will be photo copied and placed in a booklet. Jeff Preston
   is making up the booklet. In the near future, he will be asking for
   other information from you. Any photo questions should be directed to
   him. His address is  bt979@cleveland.freenet.edu

2) A self-addressed-stamped-envelope if you want your picture returned to you.

3) A check or money order (in U.S. $) for >>>>>> $13.50 <<<<<< made out to:

  +----------------------+
  |    Gary M. Gettier   |
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4) Your songs (see the following post for song list). You have the following
   options:

   a) Send me a High Bias (Chrome) 100 minute tape with your selection(s)
      recorded on it. This tape will eventually be used as one of the tapes
      in your set. PLEASE!, CLEARLY MARK THE SONGS ON THE TAPE, AND PUT YOUR
      NAME ON THE CASSETTE (not the plastic case, but the tape itself)

   b) Send me CD(s) with your songs on them. Include money IN ADDITION TO
      the above $13.50, for postage AND an envelope so I can send it back
      to you. This amount for postage should be atleast what it cost you
      to send it to me (postage and envelope).

Anyone else on this list who is not contributing BUT wants to buy the set
of tapes must wait until all the contributors' tapes are distributed. Look
for information regarding this in the future.

For various reasons, I am not (repeat NOT) posting my postal address to the
entire list. Within the next day, you will receive a private message from me
that contains my address. If you do not receive a message from me in the
next day, please let me know!

Seeya,
Gary     gmg@access.digex.com
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Subject:      "CUBBY"

"CUBBY" SEZ:

From:         Robert Garret Gruhn <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>

>This is my first post to this list...so be gentle...;)

Gentle, schmentle... payz yer money & takes yer chance!

>I mostly listen to what people deem "Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete
 >Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, etc...)

WHAT people deem them "Alternative"?  Tell us WHAT that means!

>The reason for my post is this.  Do you think that the genre refered to as
>Alternative is taking over the mainstream?  I know many people who find
>every group that makes it to mainstream a "sell-out".  I'd just like to
>hear your opinions as to this.  Thanks.

As soon as it 'takes over' the mainstream, it's no LONGER alternative!


ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:01:42 EST
From:         kyle legate <9013118@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject:      Butthole Surfers


Does anybody out there kow if the Butthole Surfers are ever going to get
around to touring Southern Ontario somday. I would cut off my left testicle
to see them live, since my right one is perfectly functional on its own.

        Also, if anybody has info on any future releases by these guys, please
send it this way.

                                        eGHEAD :-)~
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:16:41 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM>
Subject:      More Bungle

WARNING! This message subject to Crossposts.

Taken from alt.music.alternative ------------

>As I have been away for a while I might have missed the latest word on
>Mr. Bungle.  Word is they are releasing an EP pretty soon, which they are
>going to follow up by a second album, that should be a diversification from
>their self-titled classic.

Yippee!

>Also, does anyone have a clue about the real names of the band members (except
>for Mike Patton, of course), as I am almost convinced that John Zorn plays
>saxophone here and there (especially Travolta and Love is a Fist). This might
>imply that other people who have worked with Zorn play on the Bungle record
>(for example I could imagine Bill Frisell playing guitar).
>I am only now beginning to appreciate John Zorn, especially Naked City, so I
 asm
>interested in any opinions about their latest album.

What is this song "Travolta"? I've seen this song referred to before. My
Mr Bungle CD has no such song. The name Travolta is mentioned in "Quote
Unquote" but that's not the name of the song. What's the deal here?

Seeya,
Gary        gmg@access.digex.com
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:49:20 -0700
From:         Robert Garret Gruhn <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Music diversity

> >This is my first post to this list...so be gentle...;)
>
>   Ha!  Yeah, right.
>
> >I like a majority of different styles of music, I find something worthy in
> >every type of music out there.  I mostly listen to what people deem
> >"Alternative" (i.e. Smiths, Concrete Blonde, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys,
> >etc...), but I've been known to like groups and artists diverse such as
> >Amy Grant, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Pink Floyd, and Metallica.
>
>   I've always been amused by the folks who say "I have really broad
> tastes in music, I like all kinds of rock."
>
>                             -Tim

Those were the artists that popped into my head Tim.  Lets see, I love
anything that Verdi has written, I love Motzart, Liszt, Gershwin, love all
the Rogers and Hammerstein musicals, a big Perry Como fan, a big Sinatra
fan, a big Placido Domingo fan, and I like Ice-T too...you should see my
album collection...its quite...unique...
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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gabriel and MTV -- Len's question belatedly replied

Len says:

>I've seen Digging (it must get alot of "screen"-play because i see it in
>passing quite a bit) and of course Sledgehammer, i'm not a video
>kinda guy, but the word masterpiece doesn't fit those two videos. The video
>I liked (I'm sure i'm alone here) is Thriller, i think it was a fore-runner
>to what's being done today, and would come closer to being a "masterpiece"
>but like i said i'm not into videos so i'm really "clue-less" on the subject.
>I guess it also depends on what you consider a masterpiece, i can't think of
>but a handful of masterpieces of modern music and no videos .......L.W.

        I won't argue about this. I forgot to mention the reason why I think
"Sledgehammer" is a milestone: for the technique used in the making of it.
It was all volume of single frames put together, and some effects were really
amazing and yet extremely simple in principle. This doesn't affect my sad be-
lief that the video in question was the most openly commercial move that Ga-
briel ever made, along with the song of course. He got a Grammy for that,
and I think the idea just deserved it.
        "Thriller" was enormous too, that's true. I hated the song, though.

>New Thread (maybe): Name what you beleive is a modern masterpiece of music
>                    entire album or just a tune........?

        Like picking a white needle in a million of silver needles... :)
If you mean "which song/album would you save if you had to destroy all the
others?"... the song would probably be Hammill's "A Way Out", and the al-
bum... undecidable. Probably I'd rather kill myself than live without music,
but this is not the sense of the question, I realise.
        Also, my choice for the song is due to strictly personal and emotio-
nal reasons -- thus it is obviously void of any real meaning.

        Ciao, Marco

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Subject:      Re: Merle Watson Festival (WARNING: Folk and Bluegrass Content)
              21 Jan 1993 10:40:26 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:40:26 EST Scott Hammer said:
>>>This is an absolutely fabulous lineup for those of us who like this kind
>>>of music:
>> Raffi <==================  fabulous
>>
>>Is this the same Raffi that does children's songs.......L.W.
>>
>I assume so.  I don't know why he was included.

He's very good at kid's songs, and i beleive he started as a folk singer and
kinda stumbled into kids music. My kids are crazy about him.....L.W.
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Mike McGuire said:
>Thank you Michael and Carol for the quick response.  It seems to me that
>between the 2 of you Bright Lights might be a good place for me to start.
>I am going to try and pick it up today.  I am also going to get The Sundays
>latest.  I really like there first and I have heard only a little of the
>recent and have liked what I did hear.

If I'd been a bit quicker off the mark I'd have also recommended 'Bright
Lights', it's also one of my all time favourite albums. Anyway, I would
be interested to hear what you think of it (first impressions) when you
get it. I've also been considering buying another Thompson CD and I
found the response to your posting very useful - I'll be picking up
'Pour Down' and 'Shoot Out' when I see them.

Hosko

PS: Someone yesterday sent a mail mentioning that they were in ecstasy
    listening to the Sandy Dendy Collection. Well, if that person hasn't
    got anything by Sandy then I would strongly recommend that they buy
    the CD 'Sandy' (over here it's available at a 'Nice' price). I consider
    this album to rate along side 'Bright Lights' & 'Liege & lief' that
    someone else mentioned as being superb period pieces. All 3 of these
    would be in my 'All-time-greatest-desert-island-top-20-masterpiece-
    esential-listening-collection' along with the first 2 Steeleye Span
    albums ('Hark! The Village Wait' and 'Please To See The King') and
    the incredible 'No Roses' by Shirely Collins & the Albion Band.
    If anyone likes the type of music that we're talking about here and
    hasn't heard 'No Roses', then I suggest that they just go out
    and buy it - there's no need to listen to it first, just take my
    word.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:50:25 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Music Theory Thread

OK....Thread number 1 for me tonite....

I had a discussion with a musical compatriot last night about parallel
fifths. He wanted to know what's so bad about them. I explained the whole
thing about how there really are no musical "rules"  - that what we're
taught in music theory class is extrapolated from the works of J.S. Bach
and others. Since what Bach wrote sounded / sounds so good ItheirHO, the
music theorists adopted the usages of those compositions as rules. Since
Bach was not a user of parallel fifths, they became the evil method.

So how do y'all feel about this? I've always felt that we are doing a grave
injustice to our music students by teaching them that there is a "right"
and "wrong" to composition and arrangement. In my college, you didn't learn
about 20th century techniques and "breaking the rules" until our 4th
semester of music theory - too late to salvage an innovate idea from many
of those minds....

Tell me your opinion of modern music education....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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In article <93027.234815MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET> MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET writes:
>Not to, uh, open a can of worms, but do you have a favourite recording?
>(Ole Leadears never recorded this one, to my knowledge.)

I only have one, Melbourne, and I can't remember the conductor.  But I
am happy with it.

Leadears?  If that is who you think I mean, I heard him do it with the
Chicago Symphony last month and it was excellent.

Jeff

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Subject:      A vague musical reference

    As part of my rock 'n' roll class I just finished reading Ishmael
Reed's _Mumbo Jumbo_.  Wow, what a hell of a book.  Enough to make me
seriously consider HooDoo religion and hope in earnest for a visit
from Erzulie. ;-)> (By the way, for an idea into Erzulie's nature just
pay attention to Libby Doe's posts.)  The main emphahsis is to
present the African-American additions to American culture in a
spiritualistic way that presents a sort of universal, history
spanning battle between the followers of the Atonist path and Jes
Grew.  It is set the 1920' during the Harlem Rennaissance.
Jazz and Blues play very heavily into Jes Grew and are seen as
a modern incarnate of the religion, originally an invention of
Osiris.  Really cool.  Really spiritual.  Still trying to make sense
of all the images involved.  So I appologize if this seems
disjointed.  Suffice to say, I highly reccomend this book.  It's good
for your souls, folks!
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:35:21 MST
From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Kick me out after this one... :)

Marco said to David:

>>What we need to find is a one-hit wonder that talks about rain on a classical
>>"concept album" which contains a parental advisory warning label and is slated
>>for heavy rotation on MTV with Madonna lip-syncing the vocals. And Vinnie has
>>to play drums on it. Or not.
>>
>>David
>
>        Wrong, David: you forgot to add it must be good music to have sex to.

Right on, Marco, baby!  It's nice to see that at least the Italian men on this
list have their priorities straight!   :*)

I enjoyed your rundown of the ALLMUSIC get together... but... it was much too
polite!  ;)  We need someone to expose the *dirt* on what *really* happened...
their *unabashed* perceptions of these people in their non-virtual states
(Tim?).  I will, of course, encourage you to stray away from the actuality of
the events to make it entertaining.

Does anyone out there (n.n., woj?) have a copy of our adventures at the
ALLMUSIC reunion in Rhode Island they'd be willing to re-post?  For a good
example of the above reporting technique, see SteveB's report which included
references to wojie's feet.  :)

- Carol

OMC:  The Make Me Wet Man of the Week for this week is...... Richard Sinclair.
      _Caravan of Dreams_ is lovely.
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Subject:      Blues Down Under

I've heard Dave Hole the Aussie bluesman played a couple times over the
past few weeks on the Wed night blues show. Tonight I called in and
requested him, so I could concentrate and give a very short critique
of his playing. They played the title cut off his 1st and only album,
(called ???). I considered his electric slide playing very good and tasty.
He wasn't overly flashy, but he threw in a couple extra stretches for
those 'out of the way' notes. He's definitely not up to the standards of
Duane or Johnny, but still overall it was good, melodic, and pretty clean
except for a couple quick runs he threw in.

Now this was only 1 song I heard, but still I liked it enough to want to
hear more - supposedly he's seeing how this record sells before launching
his next effort.

That's all for now from blues central-Ithaca city desk.
                                                       ...walt...
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