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From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: can't be lucid dreaming
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:51:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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jones@eskimo.com (Laurie Grey) writes:
 
>I've woken up and seen things many times over the last 2 or 3 years.
>...it seems to occur when I'm under a lot of emotional stress,
Hmmm could be the same for me.  The visions for me occur only after
extremely intense and stressing dreams.  And the visions have an
intense feel about them.
 
>Sometimes the things I see are very scary and other times they are
>just curious oddities....
ditto.
 
>once I awoke and found myself looking up at a big bulge in the wall,
>like someone in the other room was pushing  a large ball through the
>wall...I stared at it, trying to figure out how/why it got there and
>it gradually faded away so I realized I had been "seeing things" again.
Sounds neat.  Never saw anything like that.
 
>A strange thing about this is that even though I sleep in a dark room,
>somehow the things I am seeing (insects crawling on an object, spider
>webs, a person, a porthole <portal?>, etc.) are not dimly lit.  Rather,
>they appear as though it is daytime.
Yep, bright, the tiny movie screen I saw was even intensely colorful.
and the smoky faces that form enveloping it were grey.  Too bad the
movie screen was too small to see.
 
The crawling spiders, on the other hand, were HUGE.  I recently remembered
the other vision I had.  There were red letters and digits, and schematics
that I could see whizzing by in the air in front of me.   It felt as though
they were being transmitted and implanted in my mind.
 
Glenn                             glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath)
Subject: Re: DREAMS
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:28:28 GMT

In <1993Jan7.174544.21426@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner)
>------- STORIES, DREAMS, AND LEARNING: A PARADOX.
>Strange stories help us learn.
>Dreams are nothing if not strange stories.
>Dreams (in some way not yet understood) also help us learn.
>And yet, DREAMS THEMSELVES ARE HARD TO REMEMBER!

The cognitive psych literature helps clarify.  First, it is not the
fact that the stories are strange that makes them memorable; rather,
it is the fact that the stories involve interaction between the
various elements.  Most strange things typically involve much inter-
action.  Second, dreams may well be strange stories, but Third,
dreams do NOT help people learn.  Rather, dreams retard forgetting
by reducing the amount of interfering material.  This has nothing
to do with REM or any other dream state; any will do as well as
any other.  Finally, dreams are more or less hard to remember
for different people.  One reason they may be more difficult is
because of context (or state-dependent) effects:  people are
more likely to remember information when the retrieval and learning
contexts match.  To increase the chances of recalling a dream,
write it down as soon as you wake up:  your state then is more
similar to the state during dreaming than when fully awake.

Any reasonable text on introductory cognitive psychology will
provide more info.

--
      Ian Neath        | There are four kinds of people in this world:
neath@psych.purdue.edu | cretins, fools, morons and lunatics - U. Eco
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.meditation
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: Sound and light machines
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:09:29 GMT

George Paap <george_paap@email.sps.mot.com> writes:

>Does anyone have any recommendations on electronic
>meditation devices (maybe this has already been
>covered but I missed it)?  I read an article summarizing
>them in the Nov. SKY magazine (American Airlines?)
>but lost it (along with addresses). Are they effective?

>I'd be willing to spend more money for ones that
>really work than a couple of hundered for those
>that don't (or are marginally usefull).

>[In case not obvious, my goal is to reach a
>meditative/dream/trance state more rapidly than
>without such a device]

>Thanks in advance,

>George Paap

>I am my opinions.
>(which almost certainly are not those of my employer)


Hello George,

I have been studying these devices, consciousness technolgy as I
call the category and find them VERY effective.  Write the
following address for a FREE catalog of these devices.

Tools For Exploration
4460 Redwood Highway Suite 2
San Rafael CA 94903


Happy travels!
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Inclusions
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:54:26 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:

>> KM> I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I
>> KM> imagine
>> KM> that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.


I often fall asleep while listening to my stereo headphones, especially
on Tuesday evenings when I am lulled into sleep by the syndicated
radio program "Music From the Hearts of Space."

On this particular evening, the right side of my headphones fell off.
In the subsequent dream that followed I found myself driving down 
the road in my car.  I was angry because the stereo in my car was only
playing in my left ear!  I kept banging it and everything trying to 
get it to work until I woke up and realized that the right side of
my headphones had fallen off.

Thanks for reminding me about this...  I think this could be another
interesting lucid dream induction method.  We usually get info into
both ears.  The novelty of the situation found itself incorporated
into my dreamworld!
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Yourself vs. lucidity (was Re: One way to lose lucidity....)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:36:09 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1993Jan6.175003.10696@seq.uncwil.edu> brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis) writes:

>course, experiencing a false awakening.  I often have dreams which
>incorporate the actual wearing of the DreamLight in the dreams -
>whether I am wearing it or not!  I always use this as an opportunity
>to do a reality check.

Seems your mind is tricky - it tries to fool yourself about the fact
that you're dreaming even when you use the DL to stop this. Is there a
function in the mind which works against lucid dreams?

But the dreaming of DLs can easily be explained by the fact that
everything you do regularly sometimes gets incorporated in your
dreams.

Be aware,
Olaf
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From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: nightmares
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:20:20 GMT

In <1993Jan8.000206.11589@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
jrabatin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer Rabatin) writes:

>quickly, i was also wondering if like myself anyone else out there only has
>nightmares.

>they are all i have ever remembered.  they started out when i was a small 
>child and are still with me now.
>and by no means are they mild.
>when i dream all my sences are in full working order if not amplified.
>and all my dreams have some sort of physical violence involved mainly taking
>place as action tword me.
>also i'm usually being chased by someone/thing.

>                has anyone else had simmilar expieriences?
>  

Yes, absolutely.  Mine also started out when I was quite small and I
still do get some.  Mine also were never mild, they always involved
chasing, persecution, war-like environments, violence (physical and
emotional, if I can make that separation in a dream) and acute
feelings of vulnerability.  And much of this also took place against
me. My dreams have complex relationships to what has and is going on in
my life.  As I have (over the past few years, but especially quite
recently) begun to work out what I now realize are some pretty heavy
issues from my past I can better understand the meanings of some of
the very 'uneasy' representations in my dreams.  

I used to hate going to sleep some of the time because of my
nightmares.  But now at least I am understanding them better and there
appears to be more clarity in them, and they are decreasing.


Diane Smithers
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From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Darkness
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:42:05 GMT

I was lucid in one dream where I was lying on agrassy hill, and I
could feel the dirt under my fingers (which i found maazing) but
suddenly everything started to go dark, in a very natural sun set sped
up kind of way.  I became frightened because I thought: "But there's
ALWAYS supposed to be light when you're in a lucid dream".  The
darkness "swallowed me up" and I had a false awakening immediately
after, where I woke up "near" the grassy hill I fell asleep on.  
 
          Just an interesting bit of weirdness.
 
                                                  Nik

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From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Sleep Disorders Res. Report disclosed
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:21:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.221010.7014@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
>In <1993Jan8.133854.13430@bsu-ucs> 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>> According to the National Commission on Sleep Disorders Research, Americans
>> are becoming menaces to themselves by not getting enough sleep...
>
>> ...In the last century, Americans have reduced their amount of sleep by 20%.
>> Adults should get 7 hrs. of sleep a night, on average, while some people
>> need more than 8 hrs.
>
>Interesting.  I have a book - at least ten years old - called _Sleep Less,
>Live More_, which contains instructions for reducing the amount of sleep
>one gets each day (or night, if you will :-).  I can't put my hands on it
>right now, or I'd give more details.
>

  I heard on UK tele that it is perfectly possible to reduce the amount of sleep required over a peroid of weeks and it is perfectly possible and *healthy* to
survive on as little as four hours a night.



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From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:35:20 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Thu  8 Jan 93 16:35, Kwi@stud.hsn.no (klaus William Wik)
wrote:

 KWW> My question is , do deaf people hear in dreams and do mute people
 KWW> speak in dreams???

I can't say for deaf or mute people, but I did some research for a project
during the year and blind people don't actually "see" things, they perceive
them as being there...if you know what I mean.

So perhaps the deaf don't "hear" things...but they might perceive sound. 
Does this make any sense to anyone but me :)



-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: etlcrcy@bugs.ericsson.se (Chris Cleverly)
Subject: Re: Interpreting dreams
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:24:56 GMT

In article <2935462288.8.wk00191@worldlink.com> "Eddie Kovelan" <wk00191@worldlink.com> writes:
>I had a dream not long ago that to this day is still baffling, 
>maybe some of you can help interpret this dream.  I'm just curious to 
>get other points of view...
>
>The dream started with me looking at myself sleeping in the bed.  I then 
>looked beside me and saw the grim reaper (the typical g.r. most people 
>envision).  I then turned and began flying straight up into the dark, starless 
>night.  Suddenly, I heard a voice say "This is your purpose and mission 
>in life, you must take this and go back to earth," and I was handed a 
>bright neon blue stone that was heavy enough to pull me down to earth 
>and into my body.  In my dream, I woke up to see the grim reaper 
>nodding his head then disappearing.
>
>I know it's not much of a dream, but strange to me nonetheless.  
>
>Bundy


  Have you been watching Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey recently ?


  I have also had the first part of the dream - watching myself
sleeping in bed.  It was about 5 years ago.  I dreamt there was
a power cut and I got up to find a torch but couldn't find one.
Then I ( in bed ) turned and talked to me ( ??? ).  I was  
absolutely petrified but realised I must have been dreaming of
dreaming and woke up with a start.  I attempted to turn on the 
light but there was a power cut.  Perhaps I had been sleep-
walking/dreaming. I don't know.

  Any ideas ?



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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream Question
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:22:59 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1993Jan8.173100.25691@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:

>I was in a foreign country, driving a car.  I was on the right side of
>the car (opposite United States "normal" cars -- something I've never
>actually encountered).  The people I was with were natives of this country,
>which I took to be Japan, as the language they were speaking I "understood"
>as Japanese.

...and they are really driving on the left side with a right- (i.e.
wrong- :-) sided wheel...

>...
>We managed to get out of the car, and at this point I think I briefly became
>lucid.  I "knew" my arm was broken (it was bent with the bone sticking through
>the skin) but it neither hurt nor bled.  I then realized it was a dream, and
>told myself this.  I wanted to see where the dream went, so I got up and 
>walked to some nearby steps and sat down to wait. (The "police" were coming
>and I wanted to see what they said.)  
>
>1) Was I actually lucid? (I'm new to all this, and am not 100% sure what
>constitutes lucidity.)

The most common and easiest definition of lucidity is: To dream and be
aware of the fact that you're dreaming. So the answer is yes. 

Continue reading only if you want a complicated theory :-)

My theory is based on scales - not a yes/no question, but trying to
measure awareness and control of actions, among other things. You
state that you realized that it was a dream and told yourself, so you
reached high (near 1 on the 0-1 scale) awareness for a moment (the
measures are not static) awareness. You didn't attempt to control the
actions yourself, however (this is for another scale). 

>2) Any suggestions on the meaning of this dream?  I've come up with 2 --
>a) everything is not as it seems, and b) maybe I should reconsider some
>"forward progress" in my life.

Your b) is one of the most mentioned dream interpretations regardless
of the dreams themselves - maybe it is universally right :-)

Seriously, it is hard (I think it near impossible) to interpret dreams
without knowing the dreamer. It usually renders either rather
universal statements (like yours) or wrong interpretations (that would
not have been made if the person interpreting knew the dreamer).

My suggestion on the meaning of your dream is that you should ask
*yourself* about this, and any subsequent dream you'll remember (as
well as getting better in dream remembering and lucid dreaming).

Good luck,
Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dew@acca.nmsu.edu (Universal Angel)
Subject: RE: Flying.
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:20:50 GMT

Greetings! i am new to this group, but i think it's the most fascinating 
so far. i'm going to go thru things post by post, since long-winded readings
may turn some off. 

i have always been intrigued by the concept of flight without outside
instruments of help, so any flying i may dream about comes naturally
in the dream. when i was a child i remember a dream where i walked down
my driveway... barefoot, i stopped by the mailbox. someone else was 
there, too. for some reason this elation just sprung up inside me and
i began to rise and twist in the air -- not too high. it was a short
tiny flight, something that we might do if we could when we are happy.
i remember the person who was with me was shocked and surprised and 
A
asking how i was able to do what i had done.
walls. i was having a problem accomplishing this... i'm not sure what
came to where i was. she may have had a class with her, but she pointed
correctly do the task. because of her statements and my own loss of
to the ground.



dEw

dew@acca.nmsu.edu.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: REM Sleep, Dreaming...
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:24:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan04.233240.8610@crash>, jvarley@crash.cts.com (J.J. Varley) writes:
> 
> 	Perhaps someone can answer this for me.  Although I know that everyone
> dreams, is it true that we dream every single night, even though we might
> forget our dreams? Or do we dream only sometimes? Thanks.


Maybe someone has answered this already, but I don't feel like wading
all the way through to find out, and then come back.

Yes, we dream about 100 minutes per night. In fact, if you don't dream
you will start to hallucinate and become paranoid schizophrenic. This
was explored by allowing people to sleep, and then waking them up as
soon as they would go into REM. After a while, they would go into REM
almost as soon as they fell asleep.
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remembrance away.                       *  Lorenzo Farris            *
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From: cuhes@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Malcolm McMahon)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming FAQ
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:15:33 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Reply-To: malcolm@geog.leeds.ac.uk
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I've had a few lucid dreaming experiences, unsought. The thing that
bothers me about them is the Author of Dreams' determined efforts to
trick me back into orthodox dreaming usually via false awakenings. On
one occasion becoming aware during one of those mildly embarassing
dreams I said to myself "I will not have this dream", sat down and
deliberately sank through the floor. The result was an extremely
unpleasant series of false awakenings which smacked of punishment. I
have not set out to engage in lucid dreaming because I suspect that
the AOD knows more about dreaming and it's purpose than I do.

	BTW has anyone been able to shapechange in a lucid dream.
Flying is easy enough (though I can't get much altitude) but
shapechanging, which is the other interesting magical activity that
occured to me, seems impossible.

Malcolm McMahon
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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming FAQ
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:38:23 GMT

In article <1irkslINN72s@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> malcolm@geog.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>
>I've had a few lucid dreaming experiences, unsought. The thing that
>bothers me about them is the Author of Dreams' determined efforts to
>trick me back into orthodox dreaming usually via false awakenings. On
>one occasion becoming aware during one of those mildly embarassing
>dreams I said to myself "I will not have this dream", sat down and
>deliberately sank through the floor. The result was an extremely
>unpleasant series of false awakenings which smacked of punishment. I
>have not set out to engage in lucid dreaming because I suspect that
>the AOD knows more about dreaming and it's purpose than I do.

The Author of Dreams?  How do you know you shouldn't call it the
Editor of Dreams?  That would explain a lot of the unpleasantness.

I think much depends on intent.  When you said "I will not have this
dream", did you mean "I want to have some different dream" or "I
want to wake up"?  There is a world of difference between the two, I
have found.

If you want to wake up, and your brain is not really ready to (REM
sleep having its own rhythms and cycles), then what you describe makes
sense -- you become dimly aware of your surroundings, only to be
pushed back into dreaming each time.

If you want to have ANOTHER dream, then the intent to do so can
leave you lucid in a new one each time.  I've gone through a couple
of these transitions (using LaBerge's spinning technique) and it
can work pretty well.

I'm curious about your idea of an Author of Dreams.  Do we each have
our own?  Or is there only one, for all of us?
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
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