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From: smith@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: What is a guitar synth?
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:18:22 GMT

pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peter Hedlund) writes:

> Mr Naimpally mentiones that there are two different types of guitar-synths 
> though only explaining one of them (pitch-to-MIDI). The other (more expensive)
> type is fret scanning. As the name states the note-on message is decided by
> having a touch sensitive neck that decides witch note you're about to play.
> This allowes the MIDI-transmitter in the guitar to be ready to send the correct
> note-on even before you have struck the string with your right hand.
> The disadvantages are (apart from the costs) that you can't use the guitar as
> an ordinary guitar but only as a synth-controller.

Some magazine (Electronic Musician, maybe?) recently reviewed a new Peavey
synth-bass.  It has both normal bass pickups and "MIDI pickups."  The MIDI data
is obtained by (a) registering fret position, the method discussed above, (b)
measuring tension in the strings to determine pitch bend data, and (c) measuring
the motion of the string at the bridge for velocity information.  This is supposedly
MUCH faster at tracking, can be used as bass, synth, or a mixture of the two,
and lists for about $1,700!  I've no idea if they plan on releasing a similar
instrument configured as a six-string or not.  But it certainly sounds attractive!

jds

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From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:54:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
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> We had this argument about a year ago on the late, lamented r.m.s
> newsgroup.  For my money, a computer screen (nobody who owns 1U sound
> modules should be without one) is a much better sound-editing interface
> than a wall full of knobs and patch cords.  And for real-time control, when
> you want that handy tactile interface, use a bank of MIDI sliders and knobs
> and a joystick or two.  But some people don't buy this distinction and want
> to do all their sound-editing via hard-wired, dedicated knobs.  For those
> guys, I hope the world's supply of used Oberheims and Chromas lives on
> forever.

No need. Roland listened to us and built the JD-800 :-)

It's no K2000, but it's capable of some *very* convincing analog patches,
as well as crystal-clear CD-quality digital ones. No need to add any
aftermarket midi sliders or controllers. When it's solo time and you want
to crank open the filter or boost the resonance there's no guesswork (which  
slider did I map to the filter ???) or rapid menu scrolls (just hit the >  
button twice, enter, spin the wheel, oh *shit* there goes my entrance) to worry  
about.

Now if they had just put a real analog section into it with x-mod, sync and
variable pwm, it'd probably be *the* synth to have today. 

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

..saving up for a K2000R - I finally spent enough time with one to be
convinced.
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From: mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensoniq list? (was: Re: [EMAX II] Who's got one & disk format.)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:14:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Uppsala University
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sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) writes:

>(Mike Prudence) writes:
>> The Ensoniq owners on the net have a friendly mailing list going,
>> complete with their own sample exchange and public domain utilities
>> for handling Ensoniq disks on PCs.  They even have a couple of Ensoniq
>> employees answering the occasional question for them.

>  Really?  That's the first I've heard of an Ensoniq list.  Could someone  
>please post the details on joining?

>Thanks,

>Steve

I'm also VERY interested!!!
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From: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: k2000 rom samples midi-dump?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:05:14 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
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Reply-To: martin@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Timothy A. Martin)
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  |< regarding the following from me, then Scott Fahlman:

  |<"Although you can not directly dump K2000 ROM, there will be a basic
  |<    resampling function in the K2000 sampler that will allow a single sample
  |<    to be moved to RAM for editing. Once it is in RAM, I believe it will
  |<    be accessible for dumping.

  |<I wouldn't count on this.  Guess we'll have to wait and see what the final
  |<2.0 software allows. "

  |<I don't think that mentioning upcoming features breaks any non'disclosure
  |<agreements, Scott.  You can't count on anything, really, but a one shot
  |<resampler of sample data only would be nice wouldn't it?

At least in v1.3, you already can go down to the Keymap sample editor & save
the sample to a RAM area and dump from there.  I've done this.
Although I haven't verified that the dump completed successfully,
the MIDI light comes on & the LCD indicates that there's a dump in progress.
 
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 11:21:33 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...

In article <PEHE.93Jan18182133@franciumx.electrum.kth.se> you write:
>vocal performances are not. You cannot take copyright on sounds (imagine the
>amount of copyright violations the Yamaha corporation would have to face with
>their electric piano sound on the DX7) but as soon as you put them together
>to form a melody you own that piece and should be allowed tho sue the shit out
>of the person who uses it without your permission.

I think the difference between sounds from a synth and sounds sampled from a
recording is great. A synth (e.g. 01/W or whatever) is sold for the express
purpose of making and recording music. So if it includes a "killer snare hit"
in its ROM, that killer snare hit is sold for the express purpose of being
used in your own music.

However a killer snare hit on someone's recording (even in isolation) is sold
for the express purpose of being listened to. Sampling that snare drum and
using it in your music is going beyond what the product was sold for. 

Therefore, I think the legality of sampling single sounds from a recording
is quite different from single sounds inside a synth, and the two should
not be compared. 

Cheers,

Ross-c
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Subject: FOR SALE:  Roland analogs!
From: ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Sardana)
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:29:20 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

I've got a couple of analog synths for sale or trade:

Roland 		Alpha-Juno 2			$350
		SH-09                           make offer

The Alpha-Juno is MIDIed, 61-key, velocity sensitive keyboard whose parameters
resemble that of the Juno 106 but with more waveforms (varians of sawtooth and
pulse waves).  It's also got a more advanced EG.  I'm looking for somewhere in
the range of $350.

The SH-09 is a non-MIDI analog synth -- sounds a lot like the other SH series,
especially the SH-2.  It's a basic 1VCO unit with sub-oscillator (unlike the
SH-2 which has two VCOs if I remember correctly).  I'll accept all reasonable
offers.

I'll take offers for trades...  something like an Akai VX600 would be
wonderful.  Send email to ymatsumoto@eagle.wesleyan.edu.

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:56:33 GMT

smith@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:

>What I can't figure out is the law regarding "industrial style" sampling.
>What I mean is, the sampling of little snippets of speech from, say, a
>movie, and then inserting it into a song in a way that is totally out of
>context.  As far as I'm concerned, that constitutes a completely different,
>and therefore artistically viable (and legal under the "fair use" clause)
>action.  However, I do know of several cases (e.g. "song 10" on Skinny
>Puppy's "Last Rites" disc) where a song was not allowed to be released
>because the artists weren't able to get permission.  So, is it common
>practice to somehow track down the owner of every obscure bit of sampled
>speech?  I should think that would take more time than writing the damn
>songs!

I think this is part of why Negativland has pushed themselves into court.
Most of what they do draws on so many sources, many of them somewhat random
or fed into their live radio show by callers, so it's supposedly impossible
for them to track down owners of every clip - and keep in mind much 
of this is text from movies, or snips from very disposable media like 
soundtracks to filmstrips made to sell insurance in the 60's - I've
pulled a number of 7" records like this from dumpsters and they are 
hilarous. Radio promo stuff from the 70's is another fave of theirs. 

Their form of "art" relies heavily on random collages from various 
sources, and in the case of their radio show, playing at this
very moment, it's an experimental collage of live callers and "found"
sources, collages of partial conversations, music and more. Since they
can't control what materials people "upload" to the radio show I 
guess the whole idea of it flies in the face of copyright law, which
is probably why they seem to encourage folks to bootleg it - to tape
it and share it or sell it. Because it's live interactive radio of
a nature that could nevr be legally licensed and distributed. The 
only tapes of their show they've release have been heavily edited.

I gather the welcome of this topic here is wearing thin and as such is
perhaps better directed to other groups like rec.music.misc, or 
misc.legal.speculation or rec.music.ethics...:^) 

 - Malcolm  (Who hopes the only radio commercial I ever produced, 
"Eat Me I'm a Penn State Sub!", is heavily bootlegged, sampled and
stolen...)
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Defending the Slugs (long)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:55:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Would I be correct in assuming that those who are upset about the
so-called "slugs" are actually upset *only* at the slugs who are
commercially successful?  This I could see, but for anyone to 
automatically assume that everyone should share the same goals
musically and/or stop playing their instrument is, well, one of
the sillier things I've heard in this lifetime. To berate someone
who says he hasn't the time to devote to becoming The Ideal Musician
(whatever that may be), but enjoys playing nonetheless is absurd. 
I've heard non-musicians remark at what a waste it is for me to
spend thousands of dollars of musical gear and not try to make music
which is popular enough to enable me to get a return on my investment;
they also fail to see the point, but from the opposite end of the
spectrum. To me it sounds like both camps are trying to say "this
is the only valid use for music," which again, is absurd. There are
more reasons for making and listening to music than you can possibly
name. Agreed?

  Jeff

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From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: Re: One more devotee!
Keywords: Kurzweil, K2000
Reply-To: gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:46:12 GMT


I just did the 1.0-->1.3 ROM upgrade.  As interesting as the v1.0 stuff
is, 1.3 is even better.  I am still just starting to absorb them, but
so far my favorites are (and I forget the exact text and program/setup
numbers):

1.  The full symphony orchestra.  While the upgrade includes suppliments to
the manual, and an annotated list of the new programs, nothing prepared me
for what happened when I first REALLY played this program.  I was fiddling
around and found the strings cleaner and clearer with attacks that were more
in the style I want.  I also liked the mix of winds and brass.  But, I started
testing hard stabs and all of a sudden the timpani joined in, and then
orchestral
cymbals!  Yes, its only a single instrument, but I can see how this one
program
alone is well worth the $10 US I had to spend.

2.  The basic piano is now a different program number (makes it easy to
know if you have a 1.0 or 1.3 ROM) and is now a two layer stereo piano.

3.  The Jazz trio has a more appropriate bass and drum selection, with
the lead piano modified to have a more jazz-like timbre.

4.  In general, it seems that most ROM programs in 1.3 make better use of the
synthesis abilities of the K2000.

Finally, my Kurzweil service expert strongly advises you upgrade to 1.3 for
reasons other than the modified ROM sound programming... a number of
improvements have been made to the way the basic sound engine operates.
--
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Principal Software Engineer	phone: (508) 486-6598
Digital Equipment Corporation	fax:   (508) 486-6648  or (508) 486-6100
From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: K2000 v2.0 Upgrade
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:41:16 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <1993Jan25.214705.9658@almserv.uucp>, gaubfb@sun330 (Brian Bishop) writes:
> 
>    Hmmm. My local dealer tells me that the sampling upgrade for the K2000 will
> be available next week, but that OS 2.0 will NOT be available separately. He 
> doesn't know why (he thinks it it might come later on). I've seen several 
> indications (from Kurzweil) that 2.0 will be available separately. Anybody
> know what the deal is? Anybody have the word on how much 2.0 will be? (I've
> got a EPS 16+, so I probably won't get the sampling hardware, at least until
> I've decided to sell it :-)
> 
> 
> --
> 
>     Brian Bishop ... gaubfb@fnma.com <=- (work) OR (play) -=> brian@grebyn.com
> 
> "Check beneath your fingernails, and in between your toes /
>   Right between your earlobes, darling, that's where culture grows." - T. Dolby

I heard it WAS available separately (from Young Chang technical support) and that
it would be $200ish, and that if you then LATER wanted to buy the sampling option,
you would get some sort of break off the $599.99 price.
-Jeff Adams-
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From: pcunnell@micrognosis.co.uk (Paul Cunnell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: D-50 Sys-EX woes
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:55:16 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

I have been trying to get a sys-ex dump out of my Roland D-50,
without much success. I believe I pressed all the right buttons
(MIDI->Bulk Dump->Enter, or some such). I am using Winjammer and
a Gravis Ultrasound card for MIDI interface. Winjammer reckons
that it gets about 19-25 bytes after I start the dump, but then
the D-50 just sits there, with a 'waiting' message on it.

Do I need to send some request out from the PC to D-50, or is
there some handshaking required ? I know the basic MIDI in/out
is OK (can 'play in both directions), but I don't have any
tech. details for the synth, so I'm a bit in the dark.

Can any D-50 owner out there with a manual please clue me in ?

Cheers,
-- 
Paul Cunnell (pcunnell@micrognosis.co.uk) 
Micrognosis, 63 Queen Victoria Street, London, EC4N 4UD, UK +44 71 815 5294
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Analog question
Keywords: Analog, SIEL
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:37:32 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <1993Jan22.080827.12162@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
                   peterc@dub-tse.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Cassidy) writes:

>In article <1jkhstINNcgc@network.ucsd.edu>,
                                 mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:

>>> OK, I admit it; I shorted out the power supply, kerbloomph.

>Hey, if you shorted out the supply, things can't be too bad ! Probably just a
>voltage regulator chip or transistor gone!!

Or, even better yet, perhaps a blown fuse.  That is, after all what they're
there for.  Remember that a fuse may be chassis mounted, allowing easy
replacement, or hidden deeply within the power supply internals, make it a
bit more difficult to replace.  For continued protection against fire, etc,
always be sure to replace with the same type and rating!

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From: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.

In article <1993Jan22.221559.16173@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton) writes:
>>
>>Actually Yamaha's FM can do decent strings with a litle help.
>
>Clearly, I was not clear enough in my post.  I use a Yamaha TG55
>and Paula has a V50.  Why the string pads sound so--mushy?  thin?


The V50 is only a 4 operator, which limits it compared to the 6 op models.
Did you try layering the V50 with the 55? You can get some very good synth
like strings with the 55 by working with the filters and 2 element samples.
Of course, not quite like analog strings.
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Drum Machine
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:45:02 GMT


  I'm looking to buy a drum machine to supplement my Korg Wavestation EX. 
I'd like to have some dancy sounds, but in general I'd like "pure" sounds,
with lots of different types of drums (regular and those which are not so
standard).  I'd also like "big" orchestral type drums and gongs if
possible.  The two I've been thinking of were the Alesis SR16 and the Boss
660.  Any suggestions?
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From: mjp@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Mike Prudence)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:03:15 GMT
Subject: Re: [EMAX II] Who's got one & disk format.
Organization: Hewlett Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (C A S S I E L)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: Winter NAMM 1983
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:24:30 +0000

>I'm going to call it a
>>"Compact Disc Player."

>Nothing new.  I saw Nine Inch Nails play one two years ago.

Sh*t. OK then, how about an *analogue* instrument where you amplify the
vibration of a diamond needle on a plastic disc? None of this digital junk.
I'm sure it'd sell...

                     Nick Rothwell  |  "I was 'on the floor' while they
  CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |   were being shot and I vividly
       cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |   remember Joan Collins' legs."
       cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |      -- J. B., Script Editor, Space:1999

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From: jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: [EMAX II] Who's got one & disk format.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:08:57 GMT

I would add my recommendations for the EmaxII.  It is expensive to add memory,  
but the built-in SCSI interface lets you plug and play with any Mac hard disk  
or Syquest drive.  The sound quality and flexibility of separate analog I/O for  
each sample are great.  I haven't had a single problem in over two years.  

Jay Kadis
jay@ccrma.stanford.edu
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From: mikelle@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Eddie H. Mikell)
Subject: Okay - ready to buy - so how much for the K2000
Keywords: k2000, lots of money, spend thrift
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:51:22 GMT

Well, I think I'm going to do it, and shell out for the K2000.

So how much is this machine?  Who sells it?  What's a great price?


Thanks!

Eddie

(Maybe by the time I receive answers I'll have come to my senses!
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 21 JAN 93 09:42:22    


In article <19JAN93.19422520@skyfox>, grahame@skyfox writes...
>        Emu advertises this little beast as the answer to your analog
>prayers without the analog headaches ('though the ad mentions that DX7
>and Fairlight samples are included... mondo digital). Am I going nuts
>or is this a daft idea??? 

Nope, it's the ultimate distillation of mass-marketing of synth technology. 

Finally people can buy a single box that recreates (how well, I dunno) all the
big, heavy, expensive boxes of yesteryear.   Why bother to synthesize organs,
Rhodes, Mellotrons, etc. when you can sample 'em?  I'm sure they will sell a
lot of these, a lot of these old keyboard sounds are coming back into vogue, in
case you hadn't noticed.  E-Mu is hitting the nail on the head, instead of more
generic samples strewn amongst the usual brass stabs, orchestra hits and choirs
of the typical sample player, just pack *all* of the cool retro sounds  in one
place. 

Who *really* wants to lug that B3 around?  Sure, you want the *sound* but not
necessarily the physical reality of the thing!

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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