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From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:18:00 GMT

In article <Bz33Mz.67M@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:
>What is needed is an ID which isn't your phone number.
>The problem with having your number cast at whoever
>you call is that they have extracted information 
>about you that may not (& I don't) want to give 
>out. Hovever, I don't mind giving out my name. This
>doesn't tell evil_corp_X (or whoever) how to 
>get to me (and put my phone number on a telemarketing
>list, or sell it, etc).

	Don't be so sure.  I read an article recently about the hacker
who was hired to snoop around on several prominent figures given just
their names.  In particular, among the individuals he snooped on were
Dan Quayle and Dan Rathers, supposedly one of the most secretive
people in the nation.  The information extracted included home
address, phone number, other residents at home address, credit card
statements, phone bills, last date and result of HIV tests, drug
related incidents, etc.  The article stated that the majority of the
information was obtained from an online American database were all the
various utility companies, hospitals, etc who are connected send their
info to be processed.  The database use to be accessible only to the
government but has recently opened its doors to commercial businesses
for a extravagent overhead (on the order of $150/hr).  If that doesn't
scare you, while this hacker was searching for some information he
couldn't access he was approached by another user who KNEW what he was
looking for and sold it to him for $100 (I don't know how). 

	For anybody who has read the Illuminati, Big Brothers is
watching you.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Kent Watsen               "If this were a virus, you would be dead right now,
Kent@Virginia.edu                 fortunately it's not" -- Snow Crash
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: *HEY! BROADCAST OF AGRIPPA TONIGHT!!*
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:14:48 GMT

> Clayten Hamacher writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <18495@mindlink.bc.ca>
> Posted: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:07:0
>
> Org.  : MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
>
> To many people to send a message to were drooling over Agrippa. If you
> aren't
> a Gibson groupie then ignore the message. Why is it offensive to tell
> people
> who are going crazy over Gibson (merely because they are told that *REAL
> CYBERPUNKS* like his books) to actually ask themselves if they liked his
> writing?
>
> The reason I mention it is because it happens everywhere someone calls
> themselves a CP, I ask what they do and they say that they read Gibson.
>


I read Gibson because I like his writing.  Period.  Sure, I like the "idea"
of a cyberpunk culture but I don't listen to industrial music or wear LEDs in
my clothing.  I am not a cyberpunk by any stretch of the imagination.

Gibson is a writer who writes well. I enjoyed his CP stories and novels but
I'm glad he's moving on to other things because I would like to see how he
tackles other subjects.

This has nothing to do with whether or not "REAL" cyberpunks (I doubt very
much that they exist) read Gibson or not.  _I_ read him for the quality of
his prose, for example his ability to describe situations in a few sentences
where other writers would take whole paragraphs.  Writing is a tough
business.  If you think otherwise, try it sometime!  It takes more than a
cerebal cortex, a typewriter and fingers to create good writing.


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"
From: kucloak@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bryan Kennedy Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:52:35 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec16.012935.8809@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca>, steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve (PrettyBoy) Barclay) writes:
> In article <92349.140107DANGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <DANGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the telephone switching
>>system was put in place (replacing operators with computers) that one
>>of the major public policy issues is that you would no longer know who
>>was calling you (since "Mabel", the operator had to plug both of you
>>into the switchboard).
>>
>>Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>
>>BTW, IMHO the right thing is to be identified.  Unlisted numbers
>>should all be posted!
>>
> Anybody who's famous would disagree with you on that point.
> 
> Steve
> 
>
And I just loved it when the phone company scrwed up and published my
dataline as well as my voice line.  I kept getting letters from
friends who had lost my number and called information asking why I
never answer the phone.  Seems the only number they gave out was my
dataline.  There are reasons to have unlisted numbers. 
-- 
		
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Invincibility depends on one's self;	   kucloak@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
  The enemy's vulnerability on him.	    bkreed@oread.cc.ukans.edu
 		  --Sun Tzu 		      Bryan Kennedy Reed
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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: Gibson
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:35:56 GMT

In article <4376.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com> mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)  writes:
>
>J> In article <1992Dec12.010218.24753@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Damian.Turner%bbs@qua
>>Has anyone heard of William Gibson's new thing?  Short story on disk
>>which erases itself after ONE reading?  And when will we find it
>>readily available?  Limited editions only now, very very expensive.
>J> hmm.. the lights are on, but nobody's home...
>
>J> try scanning back for the thousands of headers that contain the string "agri
>
>Yeah dammit.  We don't care if you're new here.  *NONE* of us ever were...

Do you join a new new newsgroup without reading any articles, let alone the titles, first???


>{Geez...the attitude in this conference.  Glad there's the word 'punk'
> somewhere in the title...}
>
>Mykel

Look, getting on this newsgroup and asking about the short story gibson has out is like getting on comp.sys.mac.misc and asking about the new portable (read powerbooks) computers!

Everyday most of the messages are about it.  If they had bothered to read only 10 articles they would have had their answer.  That post showed that the person didn't bother even trying, but instead posted an article to the entire planet asking about it.  Doesn't matter what the newsgroup is, cyberPUNK or not.

I realize asking someone to type a "+" or "=" (or whatever, depending on their newsreader) is asking a lot of some people, let alone "/gibson","?gibson", or even "/agrippa" or "?agrippa".  That takes an "h" to learn how to do that!!!
From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Low tech??
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:14:44 EST
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

Gentleman from Norway who called ours a low-tech world: 


  Artificial hearts.  Personal computers.  Virtual reality.  Cellular
  phones.  Telepresence.  Microwave ovens.  The Internet.   CD's.  
   
  I don't know what world _you_ live in, but the rest of us live in
  a very high tech world.  Unless you are expecting faster-than-light
  or some other science fiction fantasy.  

THX

--
Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
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From: jconklin@scott.skidmore.edu (jason conklin)
Subject: Re: new idea
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:02:22 GMT

QUESTION: Just how exactly are homosexuals detrimental to our soiety?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: SCPMB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Movies/Literature
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 14:50:52 CST

Although I am far from new to the computer age, I am new to the idea of cyberpu
nk. I have seen a little of what it is about posted here, and odds and ends of
literature and movies relating to it, but I wondered if someone out there would
 be so kind as to give me a fairly detailed description of what 'cyberpunk' is
and what it includes and please also let me have a reasonably comprehensive lis
t of books/articles and movies on the market that would increase my awareness.
I ould certainly appreciate any help someone might be able to lend to me in thi
s area. Feel free to either post this information or to email it to me at the a
ddress below... Much obliged.
 
Phillip
 
+====================================================================+
+ Phillip M. Beavers                                                 +
+ P.O. Box 4353 T.S.                                                 +
+ Ruston, LA  71272                    A computer is only as smart   +
+ 318-257-3705                         as its programmer; the        +
+                                      programmer only as smart as   +
+ Internet: SCPMB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU     his computer.                 +
+ Bitnet:   SCPMB@LATECH                                             +
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From: aburtc@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: *HEY! BROADCAST OF AGRIPPA TONIGHT!!*clo
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:04:26 GMT

> 
> Grow up, go find an author whose work you like, be it Gibson, Heinlein,
> Sterling, Asimov, or any other, just so long as you like their work and
> respect their ideas for your own reasons, not because someone else tells you
> that 'Real Cyberpunk's like Gibson's work'.
> 
> There's more that can be said but I'll leave it at this, I suppose I'll be
> yelled at by everyone because I broke a taboo..Gibson's writing is like the
> Emperor's new clothes, don't mention it/they suck/are non-existent and maybe
> nobody will notice.
> 
No, you haven't broken a taboo...however, you may have made a fool out of
yourself.  Making generalizations and telling sending posts "to everybody" that
tell them to grow up is really foolish. If you have a problem with the way
someone or a group of people are acting, send the message to them, because I'm
sure many of us already understand what you are trying to say, and don't need
you telling us. I for one am guite my own person and liked Gibson's writing
along time before most epople had ever heard of him or "Neuromancer". I also
enjoy many other writers and many aspects of the cyberpunk genre and movement,
but I don't let it run my life, and don't want to have to read little public
messages to everyone dealing out lessons that are very generalized and almost
offensive.

                                                      ABURTC



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From: zyzzy@stein.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Subject: Re: *HEY! BROADCAST OF AGRIPPA TONIGHT!!*clo
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:33:52 GMT

Someone said:
>> Grow up, go find an author whose work you like, be it Gibson, Heinlein,
>> Sterling, Asimov, or any other, just so long as you like their work and
>> respect their ideas for your own reasons, not because someone else tells you
>> that 'Real Cyberpunk's like Gibson's work'.

Heh.  (curiosity about Agrippa) -----> NOT(other interests)
                                -----> NOT(mind of one's own)
                                -----> (stupid cyber-worshipper)

               ?????

What utter bullshit.  Man, think before you write!


-- 
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   Zyzzy Galore  > > > > > > > >  zyzzy@u.washington.edu
                                       ART NON PROG RESS  
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From: cfuentes@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Carlos A. Fuentes Jr.)
Subject: Re: Bladerunner Question.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.051609.6798@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (salvador dali on x) writes:
>Somewhere in Cyberspace, rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu said about 'Bladerunner
>Question.': 
>|During the beginning when Leon is being given the test, when the turtle
>|question is being asked, there is a closeup of the bladerunner's face. 
>|During that closeup I thought I saw his eyes glowing the way other
>|characters have their eyes light up.  
[Stuff 'n' stuff]
>|Rob Brunskill
>
>On Holden?  I don't remember seeing that, and I watch for all the
>miniscule stuff....At any rate, even if it was there, remember that
>later in the movie, Deckard's boss talks about Holden in terms of
>being hooked up to an iron lung of sorts (after being walloped by
>Leon), so, if his eyes were "the signature of the replicants/robots"
>all it would mean would be that in Holden's state, he is being kept
>alive by machine, thus he is at the mercy of artificial life, thus
>adding some sugar-n-spice to Ridley's attempt to ask the philosophical
>question of "what is life"...
>--
>    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

Or the red-eye might be because the nature of the question,
and the relentless, merciless way in which it was delivered,
made Holden less than human at the moment, less human than 
the uneasy and frightened Leon.
Not that I particularly pity Leon, mind you...
(Wake up, time to die!)

-Carlos

PS. I don't remember seeing the red-eye either.
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; N
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

|>        It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
| 
|Oh! Butt-head! It appears I've hurt the feeelings of a little neo-
|nazi freak. So what was your toilet training like? How do you
|feel about your mother?
|                                        -- St. Morphine

E> If you do not lower your defenses nothing can get accomplished.
 > Please take your flames to email, you're wasting time and money.

Thus spake Zarathustra (sp?)....

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: givitaway-givitaway-giveitaway now!
From: hawk@entropy.mcds.com (The Hawk)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Caller ID block?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:27:00 -0500

*** Quoting Curt Welch to All dated 12-10-92 ***
> It's going to eliminate obscene phone calls.  It's going to greatly
> reduce phone fraud.  It's going to make life better for everyone.

Except for perverts and phone phreaks. <G>
Or for doctors calling people's houses from home.. enabling patients to obtain

their home phone number. Or for any private phone line calling another with 
caller ID. 
Perhaps your calling a BBS system.. there are plenty of lame ones locally here
in NJ (run by little kids), once they view your number on their caller ID,
they'll never stop calling. I think it's mainly used for people to screen
their calls and only let "certain" people though.. That could be the only
major reason.. if your really getting an obscene phone call, why not hit *57?
It automatically traces the call, and contacts the police.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Couldn't control my own phone (Re: Caller ID block?)
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:08:19 GMT
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121

In article <BzJwtG.4pL@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com writes:
>| know, I imagine that the block filter would be a wonderful thing, but beyond
>| that, it seems that it would be more of a problem than an aid.
>
>Well, it wasn't as simple as "*poof* they're gone" for me!

It may not be as simple as 'poof', but you CAN take legal action with 
harassing phone callers.  No need for CNID either.

>receiver (which was still in my hand from the previous call) without so much as  
>hearing who was at the other end.  I couldn't just let the phone ring, because  
>the answering machine was already full of profanity.  I had never even met this  
>person!  Unplugging all the phones in several rooms didn't seem like much fun  
>because I would have to remember to plug them all back in.  And the police have  
>no jurisdiction with out of state callers...

So you're saying that the person can get away with it legally, right?  
Wrong.  You can have this person charged.

>My only way out of this was to program my computer to dial another local  
>computer line with call-waiting disabled (and then occupy myself with UseNet  
>for a few hours), but due to the annoying behavior of the person I was trying  
>to avoid, it took a few minutes of quick finger work to even control the use of  
>my own phone.  You cannot dial out unless you go off hook, and this person was  
>redialing so fast I nearly didn't have a chance to go off hook without  
>answering a call (which prevents dial out, of course).

At this point, you should have called the telephone company.

>I would have preferred to just enter the calling number into my computer so  
>that it would generate a "special" message to that particular caller without  
>ringing my phone.  I did not enjoy losing my voice communication link with my  
>friends, but that was the only way to take control.
>
>To this date, every time my phone rings once or twice and then stops; or the  
>caller hangs up as soon as I say "hello" (or even before); I wonder if it is  
>that same person.  With CNID, I would have a damn good idea, because the guilty  
>party lives in Alabama, where I personally have no friends or business  
>contacts.  Even from a payphone, borrowed phone, or new address (within a  
>reasonable travelling distance), I could prove my case of harassment against  
>this person based upon the area code.  As it stands, I don't know whether one  
>of those Washington slugs is shorting out my phones lines to make them ring  
>temporarily (I know this is impossible, but I'm referring to possible phone  
>system glitches), or if the fact that I am often needlessly bothered by a  
>ringing phone is a legitimate case of harassment.

I don't think you can prove a case of harrassment calling with a CNID box.  
You HAVE to contact the phone company.  CNID is NOT for tracing calls.

-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Gibson
Organization: Coventry Metropol Tactical Division, UK
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:54:29 GMT

In article <BzCI3F.J36@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.010218.24753@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner) writes:
>>Has anyone heard of William Gibson's new thing?  Short story on disk
>>which erases itself after ONE reading?  And when will we find it
>>readily available?  Limited editions only now, very very expensive.
>
><grin>  Where has this guy been?  Maybe you should stay in meat-world
>chummer.  <that's old tech>

Maybe you should get a clue about a life without magic, matey.

The fella's justified himself quite well IMO. Read his follow-up and eat
your words, you sad cases. Some of us know better than to laugh at newbies.
Some of us might just TELL him that we've been talking about it for seven
months, you know? Like, answer the man's question? Or is that too small a
task for us clever cyberpunks?...
-- 
 ____ *     |  | Ridley McIntyre  -  gdg019@cck.cov.ac.uk |   EARTH CALLING    |
|         __|  | Ronin Ironpig - On a Flowery Space Trip! |       ANGELA       |
|     |  |  |  | "KAAAANEDAAAAA!!!"  ... "TETSUOOOOOO!!!" |  "For The Coming   |
|     |  |__|  | -    script for last 10 minutes of AKIRA |  Of Angels" - '93  |
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: Mondo Bashing, etc.
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:41:54 GMT

In article <Bz7y0D.5FJ@andy.bgsu.edu>
ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
 
>As long as _Mondo_ does not become too bloated and complacent, I say that
>it's great that it's prob. in Waldenbooks across the nation!  Think about
>the potential that it has to perhaps cause people to radically alter their
>lives in some way -- by reading some book, dialing up some funky BBS,
>listening to a type of music they've never heard before.  Even if it is
>sorta slick, it is a mag that prods its readers to THINK!!!
>
>That's good.
>
>                                Well, there's my rant.
>                                        crystal
Great Rant!!! More people in the cyberpunk/New Edge culture should be
concerned with the actual precepts (whatever they beleive them to be)
of CP than how isolationist and antisocial they can make it. So what,
it has become kind of faddish. When it stops being a fad, the only ones
left will be the cyberpunks. Stop bitchin'. Just widen your fuckin'
bandwidth!
--St. Morphine
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: Low tech??
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:22:48 GMT

> Stuart John writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Dec14.145943.15591@news.mentorg.com>
> Posted: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:59:4
>
> Org.  : Mentor Graphics Corporation
>
> In article <0aXRVB5w165w@angus.mi.org>, Scott Abfalter
> <thx1138@angus.mi.org> writes:
> |> Gentleman from Norway who called ours a low-tech world:
> |>
> |>
> |>   Artificial hearts.  Personal computers.  Virtual reality.  Cellular
> |>   phones.  Telepresence.  Microwave ovens.  The Internet.   CD's.
> |>
> |>   I don't know what world _you_ live in, but the rest of us live in
> |>   a very high tech world.  Unless you are expecting faster-than-light
> |>   or some other science fiction fantasy.
>
> Or maybe decent software ?
>
> hmm... What role will software play in the proposed hi-tech cyberworld ?
> Why is it all so hardware and custom-chip oriented ???
> Who is gonna write the cyberspace code ? probably Microsoft the way things
> are going at the moment...
> Is it worth me persevering with C++ when it looks like a regression to
> assembler is more likely ?
> Just wondering ...


I shudder to think at what might happen if (gasp) Microsloth, excuse me,
Microsoft, were to write the code for c-space..

That's all we need, VR and a matrix that's 10x as slow as it could be,
crashes intermittently and is full of bugs!

As for C++ and assembler... Learn BOTH.  You can't write a demanding app
(like a game, a PROPER operating system or a VR interface) without writing
SOME assembly code.  But it takes too long to code everything entirely in
ASM.

Coming soon... Microsoft announces Cyberspace for Windows...  AUUUURRRGH!!!!

(wakes up from nightmare, exhausted)



--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

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