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From: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN
Reply-To: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk (GS Samra)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:41:43 GMT

In article <1g5slcINN767@crcnis1.unl.edu> sanjiv@cse.unl.edu (Sanjiv K. Bhatia) writes:
>
>>I wish you would stop dictating to the Sikh community, what is right for them
>>and what is rational.
>
>I wish the militants carrying the AK-47s will stop using them to kill innocent
>people.  Obviously when the terrorists start doing those things we can make an
>attempt to stop it.  Mind you I'll join you in condemning the so-called
>``encounters'' but I will certainly not like you to support someone carrying
>the AK47s when the sole aim for carrying such weapons is to kill innocents.
>--
>Sanjiv K. Bhatia		Department of Mathematics & Computer Science

	I wish you would stop making generalised statements that it's the 
militants with AK-47's who are killing the innocents. There is enough 
evidence (and in my previous postings I have listed some of it) to suggest 
that the security forces are involved in some of these random killings.
	In the past four months the security forces have killed over 2,000
Sikh militants(mostly in fake encounters) . How come none of these were 
ever charged with killing innocents.
	As for condeming the killing of the innocents, all the main Sikh
political leaders as well as the leaders of the militants organisations,
have on frequent occasions condemed such killings. But is anybody listening?.
All we hear from the media and others is the repetition of the Government
line.

G.S.Samra
	


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: John Lennon
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:58:46 GMT



What's with the recent frenzy of John Lennon quotes???


I suppose, this is what Virendra would call a symtom of a terminal WORM :)


Rakesh Patel
From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Protest Letter (Was Ayodhya: symptom, not malady)
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:21:04 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec15.201855.9995@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> aam9n@honi1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Ali Ahmad Minai) writes:

>Most of you will already have seen the letter that some of us are planning to
>send to the Prime Ministers of our countries and to prominent newspapers. While
>we have tried to cover all the issues involved, the focus of the letter is on
>the long-term inculcation of understanding between our communities. Every death
                                                                     ^^^^^^^^
>during the current violence is an irreparable loss to families and individuals,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>but the most insidious effect of this carnage is the radicalization of entire
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>communities. Those who are dead are the victims of violence, but those who
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>remain alive can easily become carriers. That is what we must prevent. Let us
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>abort this fetus before it grows to be a demon. To all of those who claim to
>have a conscience, I suggest a calm reading of the letter. Regardless of your
>personal beliefs, if you feel outrage at the murder of humanity, please
>consider adding your name to those who sign this letter. It is the least we
>can do.
>
>Ali Minai


Can't be said any better. 

-srinivas.
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Wormallic
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:08:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Here's a limerick by Balaji kannan for my dear friend :) Ed, limericks
might be passe but Worma needs some :)


T'was once a guy named WORMA,
Hate Moslems his only Karma,
He called himself a Hindoo,
And Cow-meat wasn't fundoo
But ate all else without any Sharma

bk

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 Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups.
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From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Kumar. V. Balan....
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:34:31 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.sdsu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi Netters,
              Looking for Kumar V. Balan.....
Kumar is from Bombay and is doing his masters in Oklahoma (I think)...
Pretty vague description,  But I am trying to get in touch with Kumar...
If Kumar is reading this, please send e-mail to me at the address given below..
if someone out there knows the whereabouts of Kumar , please send me mail too...
Thanks...
A merry christmas and a happy new year to everyone out there...
Bye
Srinath...

ps: junk mail, stupid remarks and stupid comments etc > /dev/null
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Srinath Sarang
sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:58:12 GMT

In article <17576@umd5.umd.edu> gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
>Mr. Narayana:
>
>Could you please post the original article about fake US degrees
>in TN and the precautions US employers should take before
>hiring any one from TN? Thanks.
>
>gopal
>

The article is about 2 printed pages. The article does not say
that US employers should take precautions. But there was
some clean up operation being planned by the UGC. How much
they will be successful, god alone knows. Till then one
has to exercise caution.

I will see if I can get the time to type out the full article.
IF YOU JUST TRAVEL TO YOUR LIBRARY, it is in the Dec 15th, 1992
issue of India Today.


The caps above are because the caps key accidentally got locked.
There is no other reason.

...kt
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Masjid -> What will the Arabs do ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:18:45 GMT

In article <Bz656w.KJ1@ucunix.san.uc.edu> ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>|> >|> >>Nothing. I don't think Arabs(Muslims) identify with subcontinental
>>|> >|> >>Muslims. You might hear the Ayotollah and a few others
>>|> >|> >>make statements about India had better watch out when the
>>|> >|> >>Muslims of the world unite and all that jazz. But, really,
>>|> >|> >>I don't think Arab Muslims, on the average, give a hoot about
>>|> >|> >>subcontinental Muslims. 
>>|> >|> >>
>>|> >|> >
>>|> >|> >You are mistaken. The muslims in the arab world do care for the muslims
>>|> >|> >in the subcondinent.
>>|> >|> >
>>|> >|> 
>>|> >|> 
>>|> >|> We shall see. Arabs haven't done much for there European Muslim
>>|> >|> 'brothers' in the Balkans. I have yet to see an example of Muslim
>>|> >|> 'brotherhood' which involves muslims other than the Arab Muslims.
>>|> >
>>|> >Go and read the article posted in soc.culture.pakistan about the Saudis
>>|> >taking part in the 'jihad' of Bosnia.  For your kind info, the majority
>>|> >of non-Afghans martyred in Afghanistan were Arabs.
>>|> >
>>|> >|> 
>>|> >|> Rakesh
>>|> >
>>|> >Tariq
>>|> 
>>|> Put this article in soc.culture.Afghanistan, you will be laughed at.
>>
>>You'd better start reading some newspapers or magazines.  The fact which I mentioned
>>is well documented by the western media (not any Arab media).
>>
>>|> 
>>|> 
>>|> 
>>|> Manoj
>>
>>Tariq 
>>Michigan State University
>
>
>When Kuwait was attacked, how many Arabs tried to protect it?  When 
>Saudi Arabia was supposedly in danger, how many Arabs went to the
>front line?  Didn't they just beg US for help?  What are the Arabs
>doing for the Muslims in Yugoslavia, are they not just asking the
>US to intervene?  I have heard that they have just started helping
>out in Somalia, but isn't it the US which has sent 20,000 troops
>there?  They could not even protect their homeland, that is why I
>have difficulty in believing you. I have heard Arabs claim this only
>to be ridiculed by the Afghanistanis.  Any way I would appericiate
>some refrences.
>
>
>Manoj


Thanks, Manoj. I am drowning in a sea of ingorance. I can't respond
to every assine statement.


Rakesh Patel
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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: An Editorial by The FT (pinched from MNS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:04:46 GMT


(Chandrasekhar Kambhampati) writes: >
> I was scanning in the editorial - which I thought was good and was
> printed some time after the incident at Ayodhya. It was thoughtful.

>>  * The threat to India (editorial from FT Dec 9)
>>     Yet India has survived events of similar dramatic impact, including
>>  the assasination of Mahatma Gandhi by Hindu activists, Indira Gandhi by
>>  sikhs, and Rajiv by Tamils. Moslems have long been in conflict with the
>>  Indian state in Kashmir, as have Sikh terrorists in Punjab. 


    the assasination of Mahatma Gandhi by Hindu activists, Indira Gandhi by
    sikhs, and Rajiv by Tamils. =====> why not just "hindus"? 

    Moslems have long been in conflict with the Indian state in Kashmir, 
    as have Sikh terrorists in Punjab. ====> why not just "sikhs"? or why
    not "moslem terrorists"?

    hmmmm.....

Vicky:
UMass, Dec 15
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: csmenta@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Muralidhar Menta)
Subject: farce of democracy
Keywords: another setback
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:23:54 GMT
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: This is for the "Secularists"
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:02:32 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.194829.23290@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:

	stuff deleted....

>Well, let us just say that Leander Paes of India gets
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Are you kidding? Even for arguements sake it is
	too much of an assumption.

>to the US Open Tennis Finals and is slated to meet
>Andre Agassi. There is no question as to who I shall
>root for.
>
>How about you?
>
>If an Indian who has become an American citizen roots
>for Paes, is that treason?
>
>Satya Prabhakar
>--
>______________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: iyer@juju.wpd.sgi.com (Mahadevan Iyer)
Subject: Maybe this doesn't belong here 
Keywords: belong
Reply-To: iyer@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:51:41 GMT

Is there anyone out there, whose VISA was rejected twice, before you 
finally got it. If so could you let me know how you managed to get
it on the third try, I understand there are some complications.

Thanks in advance
From: sr30+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sujoy B. Roy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Killings associated with police firings
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:08:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0f=DTYq00iQXIsRkQR
Organization: Doctoral student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I share the outrage that many people on this net have expressed on the
demolition of the Babri Masjid.  I would like to draw attention to one
other feature in the news:  the large fraction of deaths attributed to
police firings.  It has not been discussed specifically on this bulletin
board, and one often takes such news for granted having lived in India, 
but surely this is most unacceptable by almost any  standards one may
apply to a professional police force.

I am not convinced that riot-fighting tools  such as rubber bullets and
high pressure water jets, or even firing at low height (as is often
recommended in police manuals, I believe)  cannot achieve the objective
of riot control with far fewer fatalities.

While the underlying causes of riots are very deep and will perhaps
remain in the Indian subcontinent for many more years to come,  the
least we can demand is a police response that is somewhat more humane.  

The fact that a large number of deaths  in these riots was caused by
police firing needs a lot more investigation and thought. 

Sujoy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Ayodhya
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:38:10 GMT

In <1992Dec7.015713.28476@Princeton.EDU> deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb) writes:
>I firmly that if our country is going to survive, it is the BJP's
>vision which must prevail. We cannot survive as a nation with a
>significant minority of our population remaining forever captive
>to the 'thekedars' of pan-Islamism - disregard and active 
>hostility for the culture and customs of the majority being continously
>bred in them through insidious indoctrination. Our survival depends
>on creating bonds of brother-hood through respect and regard
>for our common Bharatiya 'sankskriti'. The events in Ayodhya
                           ***********


What a common %%%p. sanskriti-let your ignorance come out.


>have unfortunately set the clock back by several years.

>                                  Arghya Deb
>                                  deb@soil.princeton.edu
  Kathiravan
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Lord Krishna, Can you hear me?
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:22:05 GMT

			          *
	                         ***
	     		       ******
	                     *********
	                     *********
         		      ******
   			      !!!!!!
	 	     	      !!!!!!
	  		      !!!!!!
	  		      !!!!!!
Once  there came a time of Infinite  Darkness into this world.   And
  with  it,  great  sorrow.   Everything  that  Man  had  achieved, 
   everything  he  had striven  for,   became  insubstantial  like 
    shadows.  Such  was the suffering of Man, that  Lord  Krishna
      descended  from  the  heavens  to do battle on  earth;  to
       defeat this Darkness of Sorrow.  With his victory, Lord
	   Krishna gave to Mother Earth the Light of Life.
                  Man could once again grow in its
	             embrace.  Then and forever
		      more,  the radiance of 
	               truth, the illumina-
	                tion of knowledge,
		        the brilliance  of 
	             beauty would shine forth
	       and guide Man along the Path of Joy.
	     It  is   my  warmest   wish  that   this
          Light  of  Life  will  always  shine  on  you.

++++

This was posted by Rajan Thambi on Deepavali day. Let Krishna come
again (11th avtar?) to show better and peaceful ways of living for
all.  Let him come directly  from there, not as a human child.  We
can't get into another Ramajanmabhoomi.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year:

Vicky:
UMass, Dec 19
From: satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB
Date: 15 Dec 1992 07:12:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb4ts1.ebay.sun.com


    I recieved Email from different peopel about Soc.Culture.Punjab.

      Following is what people think of Soc. Culture.Punjab.   

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If a formal call is issued for soc.culture.punjab, I'll vote yes for it.  Heck,
if all south indians have their separate groups, why not us too ;-)

Sat Sri Akal.


-- 
S. K. Bhatia   


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Parmjit,

I think there is no need to have a group like soc.cultute.punjab.
There is already one group existed called Khalsa Net. I dnot know
if you are aware of that. If you want to exchange ideas/information
on social, political and religious matters of punjab you can do it
on Khalsa Net. Making a one more group would be a further divison
in our community.   

G  Gill 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Hey, Doc!

	My emotional reaction to your post is "the heck with it...all the other
	'Indians' want a gawddamn net of their own, why shouldn't we Pu(a)njabis?";
	but my rational mind says "why follow where morons tread without fear?".

	Bottom line is: I'm not sure whether I support your idea or not.  I actually
	wouldn't mind supporting your idea PROVIDED I had some sort of assurance that
	this net would NOT become a "soc.culture.khalistan" - please don't
	misunderstand, but that IS the commonly held perception of a proposed
	"soc.culture.punjab" - at least among the Hindu Punjabis.  I should also like
	to state at this point that while I consider myself an AGNOSTIC, when it comes
	to the crunch, I would have no hesitation in counting myself in with the Hindus
	- I am referring to a hypothetical situation where some Sikhs might want to
	form
	a "Khalistan" of their own.

	Regards,
	S.Sethi
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




All different type of point of view. So that is it for me. From this point if
somebody want to carry this forward , It is ok with me. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  

					 
					 
					   Parmjit Gill
From: desai@blsouth.bss.com (Hiren Desai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: INDIA NEWS
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:53:58 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Telecommunications - Science and Technology

Source: Wall Street Journal
Date  : Dec 14, 1992
Country: India

                            * * * * *

SEBI has approved six more international institutional investors
on the BSE.  They are:

  - Montgomery Emerging Markets Fund
  - Montgomery Asset Management LP Group Trust
  - Lloyd George Investment Management (Bermuda) Ltd.
  - Fledgeling Nominees International Ltd. (Cayman Islands)
  - Robert Fleming Nominees Ltd. (UK)
  - GT Management (Asia) Ltd. (Hong Kong)

This is in addition to two approved last month: Aga Khan Fund and
Barclays de Zoete Wedd Investment Management Ltd.


    * Six foreign investor groups cleared for stock market trade

        The Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) announce on Friday
    that additional six foreign institutional investors have been cleared 
    to operate in the Indian stock market. The announcement is a formal sign
    that the officials are pressing ahead with the economic reform despite
    last week's violence. In early November, the board registered two such
    concerns.  The board also clarified that although foreign brokers can not
    invest on their own, they could be used by registered institutional 
    investors to makr investments in the secondary market through Indian 
    brokers or members of the country's stock exchanges.
        The six institutional investors are - Montgomery Emerging Markets
    Fund, Montgomery Asset Management LP Group Trust, Lloyd Goerge 
    Investment Management (Bermuda) Ltd., Fledgling Nominees International
    Ltd., Robert Fleming Nominees Ltd., and GT Management (Asia).
        Market sources said that several of these companies have long-term
    interest in India, including actual or planned activity in offshore India
    funds. SEBI chairman said that further seven or eight applications are
    being processed and would be completed in the next few weeks. (WSJ)
    
                                    * E N D *
From: farook@cs.uwindsor.ca (FAROOK A WADIA           )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:07:41 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Hey Chutye !! Take your stinking arse out the INDIAN net.......enough of your
fuckin khalistan shit.........we aren't interested in it.....don't pollute
the INDIAN net.........this note is  for pain in the butt gary.......



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: ...... Hyderabadi muslims ........
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:30:19 GMT


narain@bass.bu.edu gave a very good account of what he saw and explained
quite clearly the reasons for his disgust the hyderabadi muslim's behaviour.

whatever the other people's response is to it : I have something to say too.


My personal experience is identical.  having lived in many parts of india,
I venture to state this : the hyderabadi muslims are the most
agressive and the most unpatriotic muslims in the subcontinent (going by
the definition of the concepts of Nationnality and Citizenship).

True, their behaviour is disgusting.  But I also see them with
clearer glasses.  I follow political history and this is what I came to
know.  The hyderabadi muslims NEVER WANTED TO BE A PART OF INDIA.
remember the saradar patel's police operation against the hyderabsd
state??

Just as Pakistan was made up of 2 distinct parts WHICH WERE DISJOINT,
THEY RIGHTLY had a feverent wish to make themselves a third disjoint
part of pakistan.  Just because they were forced to become part of india
it is not their duty to be patriotic about india.

Lastly, they are more proud of their heritage than the lukhnowi muslims
are : infact, I had such a discussion with a couple of muslims long
ago on the Hyderabad express (from Hyd via kazipet).  They pooh-pooh
north indian muslims, and claim themselves to be `better' than all
other muslims in india.  Clearly, no other region in india has been
under muslim rule without break, like it has been in HYD.  The nizam-iyat
(?-naizaam) of Hyd was a island of autonomy even during british rule...

U may be able to get a dog's tail straight, or have the sun rise in the
west, but getting the Hyd muslim will not accept india, is impossible.

Incidentally, the `11yr old ameena girl' who was married to the geezer
from saudi arabia, was from Hyd.  All my sources tell me that 40% of all
muslim girls are married to muslims all over arabia and even egypt.

Because, the heritage of the hyderabadis is supposedly of high `quality'
(for the lack if a better word), in the eyes of the muslims world over...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghouse@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Mujtaba Ghouse)
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:12:07 GMT

t1gopal@shekel.wr.tek.com (Gopal Kulkarni) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.163907.25778@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, ghouse@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Mujtaba Ghouse) writes:
>|> Let me say again that the protests are not about the destruction of a
>|> building so much as fear of an India in which non-Hindus have no place,
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
>|> -Mujtaba Ghouse

>India has been ( possibly , the only country ) where all religions are not 
>only allowed to be practised, but are also respected. 

>India has never been and will never be an unsafe place for other religons.

I wish I had your confidence.  If people with the views of the VHP/Shiv Sena
etc ever gain poewer, then I doubt that this will continue to be true.

peace

-Mujtaba Ghouse

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian