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From: WLC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: How to assess your weaknesses (e.g. what's normal)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:38:25 EDT

In article <1992Oct12.133258.9897@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:
 
>
>I've reached the point in my game where I no longer have glaring
>weaknesses (clubs I can't hit, notably poor putting, etc.) but
>don't score better because of a being a little less than perfect
>everywhere.  It's nice to play better than before, but frustrating
>not to have any obvious holes to work on to improve.  If I
>mentally assess what costs me the difference between par and what
>I shoot (usually upper 80's), I put most of the blame on missing
>greens, wide on one side or the other.  I don't know whether I
>am correct in assigning blame to any approach shot that doesn't
>leave me putting, or whether I am expecting too much from my irons
>and should focus more on straighter drives and fairway woods (so
>as to be approach from the fairway more often than from the
>rough), or on improving my chipping and sand play so as to get
>down in 2 more often from where I do wind up.  How often should I
>expect to be able to land on the green with an iron hit from the
>fairway?  How about from the rough?  How much does that vary by
>club?  When should I be able to get down in two after missing a
>green?
>
>--
>
>	Warren Montgomery
>	att!iexist!warren
 
 
I remember reading somewhere that the the average number of greens hit for 10
handicaps was 7 and the average for 2 -scratch players was 11-12. The biggest
difference between single digit handicaps is through the short game. It sounds
as if you have a good problem to have. You are starting from a sound all round
game. My suggestion would be to concentrate on the short game. ALWAYS practice
putting. It is the most important part of the game and a good putter really is
a match for anybody. So is a good chipper and a good wedge player. By working
on your chipping you will be working on the angle of the clubface at impact.
The grip for a chip may be different than for the full swing, but when you
break it down the path of the clubface in a chip mimics the desired path for
the full swing. You will find that practicing your chipping will not only help
in getting up and down more frequently- it is likely to help your accuracy with
the irons by improving your clubhead path. Move from chipping to pitching. Gain
confidence with the wedges. Become as good a player as you can from 100 yds.
in. Working on pitches, with the shorter variations of the full swing will help
 you extend the muscle memory of the clubhead path that is gained from chipping
to the full swing. There is also nothing like the part shots with the normal
grip to improve your tempo. This will help in the full swing as well. Now that
you have sound fundamentals work into the single digit handicap range by truly
building your game from the cup out. You will likely find that your complete
shots will improve as well.
 
Good luck,
 
Bill Cunningham
WLC@YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU
Xref: sparky rec.sport.golf:3601 misc.forsale:28108
From: unixlan+@pitt.edu (Wei-ming William Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf,misc.forsale
Subject: Wanted: MSC 6.0a (Yes, !! 6.0a !!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:50:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi Folks,

I know this is not the best place to do so, but I need your help!!

Don't say I am crazy.  Yes, I need your olde version of MSC!!  My old libraries
can support nothing but MSC 6.0, so.....  If you have a copy of MSC 6.0a
gathering dust in your shelf, now is the best time to send it out.  It does not
have to be in the mint condition, but at least descent.  Manuals must be 
complete.  And if you still have your registration card, that will be perfect 
(although not necessary).  Just remember, IT MUST BE 6.0a, NOT 6.0.  Please 
reply by e-mail.  Thanx in advance.

Willie

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From: PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Seagulls
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.020217.22200@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:

>On the 14th hole at Cruz Farm CC, the drive has to carry about 100 yds over
>a pond before it reaches the fairway.  A large white goose makes its nest
>in the far bank.  I never saw it actually get hit, but it DOES seem to
>have trouble distinguishing golf balls from goose eggs.  It guards them
>like its own children.
>
>A couple of years ago, I hit a low screamer that just cleared the pond
>and thudded into the bank.  The goose didn't let me retrieve the ball,
>though I tried stealth, speed, flanking maneuvers, and even threats.  This
>was one big, tough goose.  (And no, I didn't really intend to brain it with
>my pitching wedge. And it seemed to know that.)
>
>Dave
>

So did you take a penalty?

          Tom G.
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: New to game, advice needed.
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:14:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.


Practical joke or no, I still have a reason for using coloured balls.  That is
if I am playing in the gathering gloom of the evening.  It's easier to see an
"optic", both when you line up, and when you are looking for it after a shot.
I'm convinced I have lost white balls on the fairway, but never an optic.  

Of course, if you hoik the ball into deep rough, all balls have zero
visibility, whatever the light is like.

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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Re: Ruling
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.154632.24030@chiton.ucsd.edu> martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:

=>  A few weeks ago, during a PGA tournament (CBS broadcast), a player
=>  drove his ball into the wrong fairway (these professionals ... we,
=>  amateurs, never do that). When he got to the spot, his ball had been
=>  hit by another player (Ed Fiori, I think). Now, Ed recognized he had
=>  hit ther wrong ball and took the corresponding penalty. Then he pointed
=>  at EXACTLY the right spot where the ball he had wrongly hit was located
=>  (he was able to point at the divot hole he took when he hit it). Given
=>  this, the PGA official told the PGA player (the "owner" of the ball) to
=>  PLACE the ball on the spot, instead of dropping it, since he knew
=>  EXACTLY the spot where the ball lied originally. This took ALL of the
=>  CBS commentators by surprise, and even Tom Kite, a guest at the 18th
=>  tower at the moment, thought that maybe there was some other ruling
=>  involved. Later they asked the official to explain the ruling and he
=>  mentioned that, usually a player doesn't know exactly the spot where
=>  tha ball lied originally, so in that case the ball should be dropped;
=>  but when the spot is known EXACTLY, then tha ball should be placed.
=>  
=>  Any of you, "professional" golf officials, heard about something like
=>  this before? Does this "placing" the ball through the green applies to
=>  ALL cases when the original spot of the ball is known EXACTLY (like in
=>  the case that originated this posting: "ball breaks into pieces as a
=>  result of a stroke")? 
=>  Martin
=>  -- 

Ahh, an easy one.... This is covered by rule 18, Ball at rest moved.
When a ball at rest is moved by an outside agency or a fellow
competitor in stroke play, rule 18 requires the player to "replace his
ball" and the note to the rule referrs one to rule 20.3c if the spot
is not determinable.
-- 

charlie shub  cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU       -or-         (719) 593-3492     
on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Scramble Format: Handicapping
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:26:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: chiton.1992Oct16.202640.18196
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

Does anybody know how to handicap 2-man scramble teams?
Is it 80% of the average of the handicap of the 2 players? 90%, 50%?

Thanx.

Martin
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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Subject: Re: How much $ is this club worth?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.163902.13923@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>A friend of mine has offered to sell me the following
>club.  No mention has been made of asking price.
>Taylor Made Driver
>"Burner Plus"
>9.5 degree loft
>Aldila Shaft (Alda HM-40)
>
>From what I can see, it looks to be in excellent shape.
>What's your bet?

The worth of a club is depending on the user.  I bought a very
similar club (Burner Plus 8.5 degree) in June, 1991 for $85 at
an Edwin Watts pro shop.  It was used.  Recently, I spoke to a
friend of mine who is in the club making business and antique
club business.  He said that he can only get maybe $50 to $65
for such a club in good condition.

With the going price of a "Big Bertha clone" at about $90-$110, 
it seems that an older generation club would be much less than
the cost of a bertha clone.

My guess would be $50. 

Thanks for your Message.   			       Keep in Touch.
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Western Illinois University			mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

From: southard@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Southard)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:29:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Hitting straight
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

In rec.sport.golf, lcn@nlcd00.cft.philips.nl (Leo Noordhuizen) writes:

> Jim Southard (southard@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM) wrote:
> : >   I took up golf recently (2 weeks ago to be exact). After driving
> : >   I guess must be close to 1,000 balls by now, with a 7-iron and
> : >   #1 wood, my both hands are acheing very bad.
> : 
> : ....
> : 2. Wrong grip. I had my right hand too strong (BTW, I'm right handed), with
> :    the thumb/forefinger groove pointing outside my right shoulder and my
> :    thumb on top-right of the shaft.  It caused me to push with my
> :    thumb/forefinger combo and made my thumb sore.  I now make sure to
> :    keep my right thumb on the left side of the shaft, lightly
> :    against the tip of my left forefinger.
>                            ^^^^
> That is a very difficult thing to do!  :-)  I presume you meant
> the right forefinger.
> 

You're right, I meant right, right?  I think...

Jim Southard
southard@fc.hp.com
From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hands ahead of clubface
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:53:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Oct17.015344.25111
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <lduq29INN10f@west.west.sun.com> kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep) writes:
>I have been playing golf for about 12 months.
>I began with a set of leesons (4) from the local
>golf pro.
>
>After hours on the driving range and playing on
>the weekends with friends (a local par 3 course
>where the longest hole is 161 yds.) I decided
>to go out and play a big and long course.
>
>I played in my first tournament two weeks ago
>and hit 16 out of 18 drives out-of-bounds
>to the right (terrible slice). One of partners
>stated that after watching my swing, my hands were
>way ahead of the clubface.
>
>Are there any practice drills to help remedy this
>problem?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kenny
>
>
>


The best drill by far is to go back to the pro you
originally took lessons from!  Four lessons is not many at all,
and you could have picked up any of hundreds of bad habits.

If you think you are above lessons, think again.  Touring
pros go to teachers on a VERY regular basis, for everything
from putting to correcting their grip!

Good Luck!

Ron
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: Handicap program for PC? (or Mac?)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:11:52 GMT

jim@ictv.com (Jim Cunningham) writes:
>Does there exist a PC program to compute handicaps? Presumably it
>takes as input your recent history of scores, with course rating and
>slope. Please tell me how to get it. Thanks. 


how about a Macintosh version?

-bob

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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: The stimpmeter 
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:53:03 GMT

fjames@CS.Stanford.EDU (Frances James) writes:

>Can someone please explain to me what the stimpmeter is and how it is
>calculated?  I have a general idea, but it doesn't make any sense.  I
>just started playing golf about a year ago, so I get the impression
>that it's not real important that I know a lot about it NOW, but I
>watch golf all the time and they mention it a lot.

The Stimpmeter was invented by a Mr. Stimp.  It is a board about 3 feet
long with a groove that a ball can run down and a small hole that the ball
will rest in until the board is raised to a certain angle.  The board is
placed on the green with a ball in it and the end that the ball is at, is
raised until the ball rolls out and down the board and along the green.

The distance it rolls is measured.  They attempt to do this on a flat
section of the green and role it a number of times in opposite directions.

The average distance (in feet) gives an idea of the speed of the greens.

8-9 is probably about average, 10 is getting quick, 12 is US Open or
Masters speed, anything above that probably means the greens are going to
die.

I saw that at the 3 courses they are playing the Las Vegas Open at this
week the speeds were 8, 9 and 10.

--
"We could make the greens so slick, we'd have to furnish ice skates on the
first tee." Hord Hardin, Augusta National chairman 1984

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: New to game, advice needed.
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:13:15 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Hi,  I just started golfing and I have 2 questions:

1)  I have seen colored balls at the golf shop, is there any advantages or 
    disadvantages to them?  I heard some guys talking about some illegal balls.
    Are colored balls heavier?

2)  I have not gotten a whole set of clubs yet, I still use my Dial-A-Club from
    Golfsmith that a friend told me to learn on.  I hook when at the 9 iron and 
    slice when it is set at 5 iron.  Anyone else have this problem? Any advice?

Thanks in advance,
Derek
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From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: Seagulls
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:38:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1688298CC.PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.020217.22200@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
>davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:
>
>>On the 14th hole at Cruz Farm CC, the drive has to carry about 100 yds over
>>a pond before it reaches the fairway.  A large white goose makes its nest
>>in the far bank.  I never saw it actually get hit, but it DOES seem to
>>have trouble distinguishing golf balls from goose eggs.  It guards them
>>like its own children.
>>
>>A couple of years ago, I hit a low screamer that just cleared the pond
>>and thudded into the bank.  The goose didn't let me retrieve the ball,
>>though I tried stealth, speed, flanking maneuvers, and even threats.  This
>>was one big, tough goose.  (And no, I didn't really intend to brain it with
>>my pitching wedge. And it seemed to know that.)
>>
>>Dave
>>
>
>So did you take a penalty?
>
>          Tom G.
>

What penalty do you mean?  It seems to me that this would be covered under
decision 1-4/10, which says that, in equity, it is NOT reasonable to expect a
player to play from a dangerous situation, nor require a player to suffer a
penalty.  In equity (Rule 1-4 (Why do the capitilize 'Rule' anyway?) ) the 
player should be permitted, without penalty, to drop a ball in the nearest spot
not nearer the hole which is not dangerous.

Ron
From: elw@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eddie Williamson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:33:45 GMT
Subject: Re: The stimpmeter
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

The stimpmeter is a device for measuring the speed of the green. It is
basically a ramp of fixed length and angle. You place it on the green in
a level spot and release a golf ball from the top of it. Then, you just 
measure how far it rolls. A high stimp reading means the greens are fast.

You're also right. It doesn't matter to most of us. We just learn how fast
the greens are on the courses we play and go for it.
From: fragante@ucs.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Founder's Club
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:12:50 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

Here I go again with a question about, what else... clubs ? I guess I get more
honest responses here than I get at the stores/pro shops.

Anyway...

I saw a buy&sell ad for a Founder's Club Fresh Metal Driver selling very cheap.
Anyone played with these drivers reported to be gaining popularity on the tour?
What do they play like ? Is it true that these clubs have a high center-of-
gravity to create those low, boring trajectories ?

I was too shy to ask the buy&seller if I could try it out in the range. So I
called a couple of golf shops to check if they have these in stock. Well, only
one store carries them and they would not let me try it out in the range. 
Hhmm, I guess the Founder's Club ad is true after all - "NOT available 
everywhere".

I hope to get some more feedback from the net in addition to the
reviews I've read in Golf magazine's ClubTest '92. BTW, the specs of the driver
are 10.5' stiff steel shaft selling for C$50. I am tinkering with the idea of
re-shafting it with a graphite shaft as it is quite head-heavy. Any suggestions
for a graphite shaft ?

Thanks for any feedback on the matter.
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: How much $ is this club worth?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:03:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.koenig.718999425
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
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colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:


>Taylor Made Driver
>"Burner Plus"
>9.5 degree loft

>Aldila Shaft (Alda HM-40)

>From what I can see, it looks to be in excellent shape.

>What's your bet?

Offer him $50, if he won't take it, offer him $75...I wouldn't go over $100.

My 2 cents worth,
Mark
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Subject: Re: RU teams and results
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:07:10 GMT

In article: <1992Oct15.191947.9708@siesoft.co.uk> <bruce@siesoft.co.uk>
Bruce Beadle writes:

>Canada (v England, Wembley, Saturday)

>British Columbia unless stated: S Stewart; S. Gray; M. Williams; I. Stuart;
>D. Lougheed (Ontario); G. Rees; J. Graf; D. Jackart; K. Svoboda (Ontario);
>E. Evans; J. Knauer; N. Hadley; I. Gordon; G. MacKinnon (Ontario) C. McKenzie
>Replacements: K. Wirachowski; T. Moen; A. Wilson; J. Loveday (Alberta);
>J. Hutchinson (Ontario); A. Tynan.

Looks like there a few new players in this Canada team. Of the team that did 
so well in the 1991 World Cup, I think the three players that will be most
missed are the powerful running centre Tommy Woods, and the two flankers.
One of the flankers, Al Charron, had an outstanding tournament and a great
game vs the ABs. The other flanker, whose name I've forgotten, also was
was highly impressive. I feel Canada may struggle in this game, but I'd love
to see them carry on from the WC and stick one up the Poms! :-)

>Australia (v Leinster, Lansdowne Rd. Saturday)

>M.Roebuck; D.Campese; J.Little; T.Horan; P.Carozza; M.Lynagh; P.Slattery;
>A.Daly; P.Kearns; E.McKenzie; R.McCall; J.Eales; W.Ofahengaue; D.Wilson;
>T.Gavin;

>Comments anyone?

YES! It looks to me as though the Aussie selectors have blundered. They've
chosen a shadow test side to play Leinster, who usually never display much
fire vs touring teams, leaving the 'B' team to take on the pride of Munster
midweek. Not that I'm complaining! GO MUNSTER!

>Scores:

>England U-21 39, Ireland U-21     28
>Wales B      21, North of England 13


>--
>bruce@siesoft.co.uk   Bruce C. Beadle, SNI, Bracknell RG12 8FZ England.
>Phone : +44-344-850485 (Desk).  |  +44-344-862222 (Switchboard)
>"Baldrick, your brain is like the great four headed haddock eating
>fish monster of Aberdeen - it doesn't exist!"  

This promises to be a huge weekend for international rugby:

France vs South Africa 
England vs Canada
Australia vs Leinster
Western Samoa Vs NZ Maoris

Rob (wishing he had cable TV)
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Subject: Re: Richard Loe - About Time !
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:45:32 GMT
 <1992Oct12.163223.11370@waikato.ac.nz> <1992Oct13.103041.56@otago.ac.nz> <1992Oct13.152718.11390@waikato.ac.nz>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct13.152718.11390@waikato.ac.nz>, mmcleod@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> And who is going to be his replacement for the All Blacks? 
> The name Graham Purvis comes to mind :-), although I must admit Mark Allen has
> looked impressive...

Nope - too old. Mark Allen must have the inside running though I wouldn't be
too surprised to see Greg Halford at least get a trial next year.

Alan
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From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Subject: Latest Bok Scores
Keywords: Viva Springboks1
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:12:59 GMT

Hey Lads,

Has anybody got the results for the 2nd game of the bok tour?
They were meant to have played a game on the 7th Oct.
Still no news?
Hope it won't be bad news!
Cheers,
        Peter Laing


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