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From:         KELEIGH VANROSSUM <C2NX010@FRE.TOWSON.EDU>
Subject:      DISCUSSION ON E-MAIL

        Hello, I am a psychology student at Frostburg State University.
We just incorporated E-mail into our Research Methods class this semester.
I have found it to be very useful in many ways. First, if we need to contact
our instructor we can do so at any hour.  Or, if we have a question about
information we do not understand from the text, we can ask a fellow student
through E-mail, instead of waiting for the next class period.  Second,
E-mailis a part of technology and we will need to know how to use it in the
future.  Not many students know about it right now.  I think it is important
for students to become familiar with it.  I learned about it last semester
from a friend from home, and ever since we have been communicating on E-mail.
Without it we would probably never talk because of long distance telephone
lines.  The only drawback I see are those people who take advantage of the
system by using it illegally or wasting money by printing excessive amounts of
unimportant copy.
                                                Keleigh VanRossum
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From:         C.M.Walker@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      MPD and insanity

	A few days ago MaryAnne Murray said:>

> MPD is not craziness. It is a logical and sane response to living in a
> crazy situation. It keeps the child victim alive by compartmentalizing
> and locking away memories which are too traumatic to incorporate into
> the person's accessible consciousness.
>  > So the multiplicity is a survival mechanism. It is a very functional
> way to survive a hellish life.

	Surely this also applies to many other (if not all) so-called
"mental disorders" - that they are functional (of sorts) responses to
unlivable life conditions or situations. Like psychoanalytical coping
mechanisms they are methods by which a person deals with things that are
not admissable to their consciousness (or whatever you want to call it).
This coping may not be very adaptive in the NORMAL sense of the word,
but it serves its purpose in preserving the 'sanity' of the victim (from
the inside - keeping the bad stuff out of their inner self and pushing
it into outer "symptoms").
	After all, what is "craziness"?

	Come on all you clinicals (and non-clinicals), shoot me down if
I'm wrong (after which I'll have to admit that it's only a point of view
for which I cannot be shot anyway!).

Cathy in Exeter, UK.
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From:         "INAT000" <INAT@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Special Welcome

yes, you areright but Al isonly one of the people who liosten
 to tapes. There are plenty, like Hill, Elliott, Greenberg, Safran
Rice, the Gendlin people, the Roger people lots of them.
I agree it will be fun to have some sort of exchange of tapes. We must b
be careful of the legal issues though
let me know if ther are any people who are interested in doing that
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Funding recissions

Tor,

I was the one who wrote the orginal posting on the Observer article
describing grant recissions.

I agree with many of your points (in fact, I consider myself a fiscal
conservative).  And, yes, the folks 'back' home certainly do have
a substantial stake in where their $$$ are doled out.

Just a thought, though.  It's been suggested by many of my buddies on
Capitol Hill that the thinking of many in this area regarding
academic research funding such as the research in "person perception,"
that it's value is not just in the possible application or "estoterica"
as you refer, of the research.  A big benefit of such funding is the
support it provides graduate students and post-docs.

My advisor, for instance, is able to fund 7 or 8 students each semester
(tuition + stipend) soley through his federal grants.  As far as I know,
the university is the only other major beneficiary (but that's a
different story).  I don't believe he gets any 'bonuses' for these,
just computer and lab equipment, etc.

While I'm not defending either pork or frivolous research (whatever
that means), I am suggesting that federal grants these days are
just as much "direct support for education", if not more so, than
much of the funding for say, grants to scholarship funds and student
loan trusts.

Just a thought.

In the backyard of the nation's capitol (er... U.S., all you internationalites)
Kenn
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              92 12:52 am

	I said I sometimes receive copies of random messages but believe
that it is probably someone punishing me for subscribing to psycgrad!!

Cathy in Exeter, UK.
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Beer and t-tests

Speaking of beer reminds me of a story that I tell undergrads about
Student's t-test.  I know some of the story, and am certain that it is
true, but I wonder if anyone can tell me more.
The t-test test was invented in the quest for a better beer, namely,
Guinness Stout.  Wm Gossett, (aka Student) worked as a researcher for
Guinness and was posed with the problem of evaluating crop yields
and the effect of different variables like rainfall, etc.  The data
points were plots of land, however, and there were not that many.
Fisher's z statistic of course only worked for large sample sizes,
and Gossett didn't have enough fields to get up to N=30 or so for the
normal distribution to be invoked.  SO he figured out the distribution
of the probability curve at the various sample sizes, hence the t-test.

The thing worked fine, but Gossett could not publish the paper under his
name because Guinness thought that sales would be hurt if the public knew
that they had scientists working for them.  So he used the name Student
for most of his career.

If anyone knows more of the details or has any knowledge of any part of this
being wrong, let me know. I did get it from a legitimate source, a book
of biographies of great statisticians.

Of course those of us who are Guinness devotees surely owe Gossett
a prayer of gratitude for his efforts.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
HOPE@UKANVM
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From:         20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

Can someone please bring me up to speed...RADICAL behavorism...am I
missing something here...is that different in some way from plain
ole' behaviorism...more narrowly defined perhaps...I'm out of the
loop on this one

Sybil
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From:         "Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU,
              (509) 963-1504" <RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple personalities...

I am wondering how we can decide if one is faking aMPD when "personality"
is just a mental construct.  A good empiricist should point out that there
is no physical structure to be measure and all of the other sure remarks.
Personality is a useful term, but no more than that.  Does one have a MPD
when he/she feels that there is an anima or animus present "inside"?

Mike Babyak comes closer to the issue that seems most important to me (as
a clinical issue) and that is that the client/patient believes there to be
multiple personalities.

I also will look for references, because I have read of changes in handedness,
allergic reactions, and other physiological signs concurrent with "personality
changes."

Philip a.k.a. Ratnose
MY Karma Ran over my Dogma
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From:         Rodney Timbrook <RTIMBROO@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: clinical and experimental psychology

Regarding the general uneducated public that does not know the difference
between clinical and all other forms of psychology, I am often confused
with psychiatrists when I say that I am a psychotherapist and study
clinical psychology.  After trying to explain to people that I am not a
medical doctor and a psychiatrist is a medical doctor, they usually get
the idea.  Teaching undergraduate courses, especially in clinical
psychology, I have tried to include the differentiation of the various
types of psychology Ph.D.s to my classes.  It's sad when even psychology
majors in their junior or senior years don't know the differences between
experiemental psychologists, clinical psychologists, psychiatrists, and
social workers.  In some respects the media does add to the confusion by
not clarifying the differences between the different fields--or even
misidentifying persons covered in their stories!
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From:         Lorraine O'Donnell <G3843509@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
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              30 Sep 1992 12:17:36 +0100 from <ERROBBART@ER.ELE.TUE.NL>

IS ANYONE DOING ANY WORK THERE WITH THE DIFFERENCES IN VERBAL/VOICE CUES BY
GENDER?  I WOULD APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU ON THIS TOPIC.  THANK YOU.
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From:         "Sala, Linda" <KMSA@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: clinical and experimental psychology

OR they may ask you.....what kind of shoes do you sell....do
you enjoy it.....how is your life.....and so on. Get it?
They may talk your head off just for the sake of talking.
I've seen it a million times.  Go with a friend, subject them.
Just kidding..........stressful day.

Linda

Have you hugged your Psycho today...
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

Mike,
Thank you for your brilliant agreement with me. People always seem smarter
when they support my ideas.
I agree with you about parsimony. People forget that that principle says
that, all things being EQUAL, the more parsimonious explanationis the
preferable one. But heck, theories are never equal.
  Other examples of the structural vs incremental are Kohlberg's moral
development theory and Piaget's cognitive development theory. Piaget says
we don't just develop incrementally, but tht there are qualitative or
structural transitions at some points.  Behavioral and strictly
reductionist theories can't account for such things. They say as you
add an apple to the basket, it has one more apple; structural theory
says if you keep adding apples, you get one more apple in the basket
until it turns into a watermelon, or maybe applie pie.
Tim
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Subject:      McElwaine's messages

	Grit you teeth, folks. Mr. Bulkmail has a new message hitting the
bitnet lists (I've already received three copies), this time on Abortion.

	Remember, you heard it here first . . . :-)
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

  Jeez, now where did I put that Curare-tipped arrow?
  David's account of therapy is a familiar one where I am. Many students
who said they were behaviorists because it was methodologically pure and
psychodynamics was all that penis-envy stuff change their tunes after
doing psychotherapy for a while.  The dynamic formulations simply offer a
great deal of explanatory power in terms of personality and human relations
as opposed to the manipulation of a single-variable behavior.
   But I do take exception to the idea that few would find physio/behavioral
research to be inadequate in explaining human personality development, at
least if he meant behavioral as in pure behavioral S-R theory.  I'm not
sure that's exactly what David was saying so I'll hold off on the Curare.
Tim
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: clinical and experimental psychology

My friends in the psychology who got their degrees in animal behavior
were probably subjected to the worst of the mistaken career comments.
People invariable thought that that they treated animals with emotional
problems.
Of course actually being a clinical type bears its own curse -- the
dreaded person at the party who wants you tell them why their daughter
does such and such.  I have always found it safer to tell folks I
sell shoes.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
HOPE@UKANVM
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From:         Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

Wouldn't you say that Radical Behaviorism is an anti-thesis to Psychoanalytic
theory.  Skinner himself admits to reacting against what he was trained to
believe.

Paul Lowry
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Dear Colleague:

We are writing to ask for your assistance.  We hope to identify
a person or persons who might have interest in being considered
for a position on our faculty in school psychology under the
university's Faculty Diversity Plan.  Under this plan, funds
have been designated for recruitment of ethnic minorities and
women.  We hope to identify women or individuals of either
gender who are of minority status who might be considered under
this program.  Potential candidates can be considered at any
rank.

We hope to identify a small pool of potential candidates who
evidence strong promise for success in scholarship, teaching,
and leadership in school psychology.  If you are aware of any
potential candidates, please forward their names (and addressed
and phone numbers if available) to us.  We would also
appreciate a copy of a vita if you have a potential candidate's
permission to send us one.

We do need to emphasize that we have not been authorized to
advertise a faculty position in school psychology and that no
such position exists at this time.  The likelihood that we can
be successful in creating a faculty line will depend, in part,
on the strength of a potential candidate who might have
interest in joining our faculty.

Thank you for your assistance.

Jerry Harris, Ph.D.
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Maryann Santos de Barona, Ph.D.
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From:         "(Julie Marie Williams)" <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: dissociation

OOOOOOOOOOOoops....sorry...should have said "REpression" not "DEpression"!!

Julie
St Andrews
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From:         Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET>
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Eric:   I couldn't agree with you more.  I never intended to give CREDIT to
Freud.  If anything, I understand that the shortcommings of a theory are what
causes the anti-thesis.  But I also don't believe that Radical Behaviorism can
be understood outside its historical context.
                                    Paul
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      behaviorism and clinical psychology

Hello all,
Consistent with what Matthew said about methodological and radical
behaviorism, the radical behaviorist does not necessarily deny the
existence of the "inner world" and unconscious.  Rather, they believe
the only way to examine these events is with the relevant behavioral
component.  (e.g., How do I know what you're thinking/feeling?  You tell
me!  Language is a measurable behavior that can be shaped by priciples
of reinforcement.)
Some behaviorists will take this behavioral index further than others.
For instance, I've heard the notion of operant contingencies/classical
conditioning on a cellular level.  Other behaviorists end up adopting a
more traditional position and consider only responses by the entire
organism.
Still, my sense of behaviorism (methodological-, radical, cognitive-)
is that the central appeal of this orientation relates to parsimony.
Few people today, IMHO, would argue that physiological and behavioral
research (broad definitions of those terms) are inadequate to understand
infra-human behavior and processes.  Now, by throwing in a Darwinian
approach, variants of the same constructs identified in infra-humans
should also apply for humans.  Frankly, it seems to me little more than
human conceit that we're the only organism who has souls, heaven, god
and egos.
Before you reach for your poison pens, let me say that in my young
clinical career, I've observed phenomena which currently lead me to
dynamic interpretations, yet I return to my point of parsimony with its
few assumptions (most akin to Matthew's definition of RB).  I've been
highly critical of dynamic psychology here, recently and in the past.
Still, its priciples are with me especially when I'm working with client
or patients.  I'm not referring to etiology based on dynamic principles
rather, just the client-therapist behaviors described well by this
orientation.  Further, I will continue to say that the behavioral
orientation is a much more satisfying model for explaining why we are
they way we are.  That's all.  Now reach for those pens or keyboards.
David Fresco
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

Tim's comments bring up an interesting point about judging historical
figures in psychology.  On one hand, it is important to understand
how well or poorly Freud's ideas fit with respect to what we know
today, for better or for worse.   But to call him, for example, a sexist
jerk, poses an interesting question: is it reasonable to judge historical
figures by modern criteria?  As wrong as we now believe it to be, the belief
that women were legitimate persons (ie the same moral status as men) was
not really part of the world view of Freud's time. So can he be *blamed*
for his treatment of women in his writings?  Is this something like
calling a medieval physician a butcher for not using laser surgery
on a tumor?  Seems logically inconsistent.  I think historians
call this the problem of presentism.  Any thoughts?

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
HOPE@UKANVM
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Hi folks,

I am a firm believer that people with MPD do exist. My problem is
that i am not sure what people mean by MPD. Do we mean a single
entity or a continuum of entities. For instance i can say "I have a
broken Leg" this is a single description of an injury, but If I say
I have High Blood Pressure that is more of a continuum, with an
arbitrarily chosen cut off.

I have this feeling that all of the mental disorders (and most
medical ones) fall along a continuum in some way, and we choose as
therapists a cutoff (often arbitrary).

I have known people with a variety of dissociative related symptoms,
but not full blown MPD. I like to think of them along a continuum
with Full Blown, MPD on one end and maybe fully integrated
individuals on the other (if they exist). Does this make sense?  I
think that we spend to much time on this list and in our other
avenues of discussion arguing over whether some one fits into a
certain distinct category, whwn I don't think the categories exist.

Jeff Kline
Jeff Kline: Indiana State University
Dept. of Counseling Psychology
InterNet: egkline@Befac.indstate.edu
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