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From: cdb@waikato.ac.nz (Craig D. Beere)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Amway vs Primerica vs Whatever vs Widgets Inc
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:26:17 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <92240.115813SAYED@auvm.american.edu>,
 <SAYED@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> Primerica is better than Ammway

Why?

> you have the support of a $30 billion company

With Amway you have the support of a $US33 billion company that is debt free. 
You also have the support of whatever support company you are with.

> you can make 6 digit income or in some  cases even seven!!!

You can do this in Amway.

> most people say Amway is fake, but like what they see with Primerica.

Can you post some numbers to support this, please.

> Primerica is a memeber of New York stock exchange and they are a
>   fortun 500 company.
> Their support is excelent and they will provide excelent training

That's good.  Any business oppertunity that doesn't provide good training is not
a good oppertunity.  Again, however, the support companies for Amway have good
training and support.

I ask again, why is Primerica better than Amway?

I also ask, WHY ARE WE COMPARING THESE THINGS?

A comparison between business ideas seems silly to me.  Unless both businesses
are offereing exactly the same package, how can you say one is better than
another?  You can point to certain things, but the important things (like
monetary return :-) are so dependant on factors you cannot measure (how hard
people work, how smart they work, etc) that a comparison is impossible.

Opinions on this?

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** Craig D. Beere  (a.k.a. ++Byron)
** University of Waikato, New Zealand
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Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Followups..
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:12:27 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Aug26.140543.6470@highlite.uucp> (misc.entrepreneurs), burgoyne@highlite.uucp (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
> 
> It would be nice to have a FAQ with the info about credit card merchant
> accounts, how to get a UPC bar code, and references to some of the best
> books on marketing and sales. But sorry, I don't have time to do it
> myself.

Since I already have my merchant account, I'd *would* like to know
how to get a UPC code for my product?

Humm, maybe we _do_ need a FAQ :-)

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Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,alt.business.multi-level
From: steveb@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Steve Bromley)
Subject: Re: Amway
Keywords: Free Enterprise 
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:22:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.180617.29597@bnr.ca> Marker Man writes:
>      Hear, Hear!  My congrats to all those who stand by Amway.  I was one
>of those who was too STUPID to get in when I first was introduced to it, but
>jumped in with both feet after a second look (a year and a half later).
>
>      I've been involved for a while now, and I'm convinced of three things:		
>
>         a) The products are the best.
>         b) The people are the best, and 
>         c) The marketing plan is the best.	
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	This is the only point I could disagree with.  Eveyone thinks the plan
they are in is the best or they wouldn`t be in it right?

>      Yes, I personally know people who have quit their day jobs and who are
>pulling down six-figure "salaries", within 2-3 years of starting with the
>company.  Ya just have to have a little faith and not be afraid to work.
>This		
>business IS for real!


	I want to know why there is so much competition here as to what MLM
is good, great, ok or the best.  I am not in Amway, I have been in Amway, but
it was not for me, does that make the MLM I am in better??? To me yes to you no.
I am in Consumers BUyline and I can say the same thing about CBI as Marker Man
says about Amway.  I don`t care if in two years someone makes 6 figures, is that
realistic for me or someone thinking about starting a business??  Everyone have
an open mind.  I like to see what problems people have in their business and try
to overcome similar ones in mine.  And if I can help find a better way of recruiting
lets say I would reveal this to those on the net.  One thing I do not do, or hate
in any business is someone saying something negative or comparison of another company.
The products, service, pay structure or whatever will let me decide if it is so.

So no matter what MLM you are in, respect the people in others.  
flame off...


Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (WCK)
Subject: AMWAY GEEKS
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:57:37 GMT

We are all SICK of these Banica breathing,Timex were'n,Freaks
The whole point of misc.entrepreneurs is to help those who strive
to be independent, of money worries,and of up/down line worries.
 
And if you don't like them using the net to bring more SHEEP into
the heard.FLAME THEM>>>>>

Thay should have there own group.and IMHO the reson there is not
a misc.amway(sell secound rate junk to family and friends)is becuase
no one but thay would read it,and thay don't want to talk to each other.

Those of us who have the drive to make it with out a network(MLM)or a
K MART wardrobe belong on this group...others should post to misc.mlm

                input ?    -wade-
-- 
"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are......
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|....GO SEAHAWKS!#1AFC WEST
FOR THE BEST TIME YOU HAVE HAD ON THE PHONE(FREE)801-288-0887 T.D.S............
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Amway
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:53:10 GMT


>
>In article <BtnpHB.E9I@fc.sde.hp.com>, you write:
>|> In misc.entrepreneurs, SAYED@auvm.american.edu () writes:
>|> : Primerica is better than Ammway
>|> : most people say Amway is fake, but like what they see with Primerica.
>|> 
>|> I hope you get flamed as crispy as you deserve for that kind of remark.


Do you call a 4 BILLION dollar company a FAKE?????
Give me a break!  If you do you are living in a fantasy land.  What kind of
annual sales does Primerica have, is it debt free, does it have 1 Billion in
assets, 400 million in cash/short term assets, are its owners two of the
richest men in America, does it own 60% of a Carribean island, does it have a
product line of over 12,000 products and 600-700 major manufacturers all
contributing to it?????

Folks, if Amway was a fake, the FTC would not approve it, companies like
Cocoa-Cola, MCI, Visa, Ford, GM, Chrysler, Bottany 500, Magnavox, etc. etc.
would not be involved.  I am not saying Primerica is bad, I am sure it is an
excellent company.  Just don't slice apart the #1 MLM to build up yours.  LOOK
AT THE FACTS!!!!

Fake, right!  And if you believe that - I have a bridge to sell you cause you'd
buy anything!


Jon
From: andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Midnight Engineering Reference.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:39:22 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc.

Hi, Does anyone have the address for ME newsletter?
Thanks, Andy (andy@autodesk.com)
--
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Andrew V. Purshottam      /\     |  andy@autodesk.com  ...!fernwood!acad!andy 
Autodesk, Inc.	         //\\    |  (415)332-2344x2161  FAX (415) 331-8093
2320 Marinship Way      ///\\\   |  Sausalito CA 94965
"The views expressed are those of the speaker."
From: dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Selling MTB bikes
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:58:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IedFnfO00VpC8vq29d
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone have any experience with selling bikes?
Questions:
	How to get manufacturer to let you distribute?
	Liscence and Insurance needed?
	Must have an office?
	How to make myself valuable to manufacturer?


Any ideas/advice/opinions would be appreciated.
Please email me. If enough replies, will compile and post.


Thanks


____Dan
From: andy@meefun.autodesk.com (Andrew Purshottam)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Midnight Engineering Reference. (Summary of replies)
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:00:15 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc.
In-reply-to: andy@meefun.autodesk.com's message of 1 Sep 92 23:39:22 GMT

Hi, here is info on ME:

Subscription and contact address:	

Midnight Engineering
111 E. Drake Road, Suite 7041
Ft. Collins, CO  80525

303 225 1410
303 225 1075 (fax)

By Email:

weg@dixie.com


This account has been set up for Bill Gates as an Internet access point for
people interested in the magazine or for subscriptions.  Either Bill
checks this account (infrequently) or I fax it to him.

Subscriptions are $19.95 for 6 bi-monthly issues.  If you pre-pay, you
receive another issue for a total of 7.  Prepayment may be in the form
of check or credit card and may be sent either to the address above,
or in the case of credit cards, FAXed to the number above or emailed
to the internet address above.

If you pay by credit card, be SURE to list the name exactly as it appears
on the face, the account number and the expiration date.  Also you must
include a daytime voice phone number.  

If you'd like to order by email but are concerned about the security
of the credit card information, simply encode the file using something
common (crypt, des from phil karn's tcp/ip package, zip, pretty good 
privacy, etc) and send me a separate message with the encoding method and 
password.  (Damn the public key patend bullsh*t.)  I or bill will acknowledge
the file and whether it decoded or not.


-----------------------
Thanks for info to:
jgd@dixie.com 
facemire@Software.ORG 




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2320 Marinship Way      ///\\\   |  Sausalito CA 94965
"The views expressed are those of the speaker."
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,alt.business.multi-level
From: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Subject: Re: Amway
Keywords: Free Enterprise 
Reply-To: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.132913.10536@bnr.ca>, Marker Man writes:
|>     OK, Steve.  Point taken.  I just became aware of this newsgroup
|> a few days ago, and felt that I needed to take time out to defend my		
|> choses MLM.
|>     Yes, this newsgroup would be an ideal forum to share ideas about
|> recruiting/sponsoring, or any of the issues we have in common.
|> 
|> MM

No this IS NOT the ideal forum for this subject! Entrepreneurship <> MLM.
I'm working with a group trying to raise funds and create SW products to create
a startup.  That is entrepreneurship.

Trying to convince friends, relatives, or someone you just met to sell soap
that they buy from you, that you buy from someone else, that (etc etc) is
salesmanship (at best). 

My first experience with AMWAY was a call from an old friend who claimed to 
respect my business sense and wondered if I'd like to meet with him and 
"his partner" to talk over "a business proposition".  Well, my "business
sense"  told me it was damn suspicious that he wouldn't disclose any details,
but he was an old friend and.... (sound familiar to anyone yet?).  Arrive at
house, get 30 minutes of vague pitch, hear that this is a "Christian Business"
(whatever that is supposed to mean), insist he get to point, AMWAY, whoops
gotta go, time is money and youse wasting my time.

Future experience have been more sucessfully avoided. But like these posts
YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT--try to understand this--GO AWAY. This is not
the forum for you. 

--------------------
flame off
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yea I know about kill files, I just felt I had "to share" with these droids
that they are not welcome everywhere they go.

 
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: burgoyne@highlite.uucp (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Subject: Re: 900 numbers
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:46:43 GMT

dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
: 
: Jay Abraham has trained about a thousand proteges in marketing
: consulting.  Jay's philosophy is to find clients where he can make
: money by collecting a cut of the profits generated by his efforts.  Jay
: is very good at it.  So are some of his proteges.  Anyone who wants the
: kind of guarantee Robert described can get it if the deal looks like it
: has prospects for making money.  (Part of how you make money his way is
: to turn down clients who don't look like they are going to make money.)

I saw a Jay Abraham advertisement in a magazine. I believe it was Inc.

He mentioned the service you are discussing, but failed to mention his
clones who are out there. From the sound of the ad, it seemed like what
he personally was looking for were companies which had already established
high quality products. Such people who were looking to increase sales
quickly seemed to be his best prospects.

What was the extent of the training you folks received from Jay? I'm
curious about some of the non-proprietary details.

Best regards, 

Robert
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: DISK DRIVE MANUFACTURING INFORMATION WANTED :
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 12:20:34 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

sunil@netcom.com (SUNIL DHINGRA) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I am interested in setting up a hard drive manufacturing facility
> /assembly unit overseas. I should be able to get technical know-how 
> as well as an equity investment from an American Company. Before I 
> embark on this however, I am interested in knowing about the various
> parts that go into  drive/ the machines required for assembly and testing 
> of the same and what cost it could involve. - essentially all information 
> required to put together a project report for such an activity .
> 
> Anybody out there can refer me to books/consultant/people who can give
> me this idea for a reasonable fee ??

Wouldn't the easiest way to do this be to contract to build drives for
one of the existing name brands, to their specs, from parts they
specify, from suppliers they approve?  It should be possible to get
such a contract, with suitable non-disclosure protection, that doesn't
marry you forever to one brand.

It sounds to me like you want to do assembly of a product someone else
has engineered and let someone else sell it.  Each of the existing
names has done the engineering and has an existing marketing channel
built up.  If you can offer a Unique Selling Proposition that is useful
to one or more of the brands, you should be able to become their
supplier (if the drive market is not now contracting).

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
       NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh   (216)974-9637
"`Bad, bad,' says the buyer; but when he goes his way, then he boasts."
Proverbs 20:14
From: vp01@newshost.gte.com (Vincent Phuah)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: import/export
Keywords: import, export
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:07:19 GMT
Followup-To: vp01@gte.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

Posting for a friend:

Hi there,

Sorry if this's an FAQ.

I would like to know where I could get more info on importing
and exporting in the US, such as procedures, regulations, etc.

Thanks.

-Vincent


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From: Grant.Cunningham@p55.f54.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Grant Cunningham)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: How to get a merchant Visa Account
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:47:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.715099346.F00002

Richard E Hu wrote about "How to get a merchant Visa Account".
Here's what GRANT CUNNINGHAM thinks:

 REH> I am starting a mail order business. I have been trying
 REH> to get a merchant Visa account without success.

 REH> There are a couple of work-around that I am thinkings:
 REH> 1. Go to a bank, offer them that I will put $5,000 in an
 REH>    escrow account and as sales (credit card charges)
 REH>    comes in, I will put 30% of the sales into the escrow

Not a bad idea; find a hungry bank, and it might just fly.

 REH> 2. Go to an existing mail order house that has a merchant
 REH>    Visa account. Offer them a % of sales in exchange for using
 REH>    of their merchant Visa account.

Nope.  The card companies have really been cracking down on this lately; any
mailorder business wishing to stay in business wouldn't do this for you.
Remember that they can have their account cancelled immediately should the card
company notice; and they notice A LOT these days!

-=[ Grant ]=-

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From: asm@ecl.psu.edu (Aravind  Melligeri)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Laser Toner recharging; info wanted....
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:44:46 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <T4P9PB1w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>, dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
> Not only do you add toner, your competition is replacing half a dozen
> parts in the cartridge as well as adding toner.  They brag about the
> superior quality of their toner.
> 
> If you find a supplier for the toner they will be glad to tell you
> where to buy (more likely, sell you) the replacement parts as well as
> sell you the toner.  They will also show you what has to be done.
> 
> You should be able to bootstrap the remanufacturing part of the
> business on the kitchen table for one or two thousand dollars.  The
> other part is finding clients and getting them to do repeat business
> with you.
> 

I found a company which says gives know how and the delearship fro $4900.00
the contract will be for 10 years. name of the company is LaserCharge, Austin
Tx. 
anyone aware of this any info??.

--Aravind S. Melligeri				
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Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,alt.business.multi-level
From: fritz@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz (tmp))
Subject: Re: Amway
Reply-To: Gary Fritz <fritz@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:32:25 GMT

johng@lucid.com (John Gregory) writes:
: In article <1992Sep03.132913.10536@bnr.ca>, Marker Man writes:
: |>     OK, Steve.  Point taken.  I just became aware of this newsgroup
: |> a few days ago, and felt that I needed to take time out to defend my		
: |> choses MLM.
: |>     Yes, this newsgroup would be an ideal forum to share ideas about
: |> recruiting/sponsoring, or any of the issues we have in common.
: |> 
: |> MM
: 
: No this IS NOT the ideal forum for this subject! Entrepreneurship <> MLM.
: I'm working with a group trying to raise funds and create SW products to create
: a startup.  That is entrepreneurship.
: 
: Trying to convince friends, relatives, or someone you just met to sell soap
: that they buy from you, that you buy from someone else, that (etc etc) is
: salesmanship (at best). 
: 
: My first experience with AMWAY was a call from an old friend who claimed to 
: respect my business sense and wondered if I'd like to meet with him and 
: "his partner" to talk over "a business proposition".  Well, my "business
: sense"  told me it was damn suspicious that he wouldn't disclose any details,
: but he was an old friend and.... (sound familiar to anyone yet?).  Arrive at
: house, get 30 minutes of vague pitch, hear that this is a "Christian Business"
: (whatever that is supposed to mean), insist he get to point, AMWAY, whoops
: gotta go, time is money and youse wasting my time.
: 
: Future experience have been more sucessfully avoided. But like these posts
: YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT--try to understand this--GO AWAY. This is not
: the forum for you. 
: 
: --------------------
: flame off
: _____________________
: yea I know about kill files, I just felt I had "to share" with these droids
: that they are not welcome everywhere they go.
: 
:
From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: implementation of an idea..
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:14:56 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

vilva@madras.b23b.ingr.com (Vilva Natarajan) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> 	I have a few innovative thoughts, that I think would have a great
> 	market if implemented. But I dont have the technical expertise to
> 	do it. Are there any agencies that do experiments of such nature?
> 	If so how much do these agencies charge? Please let me know.
> 	Thanks.

The basic problem with your question is that ideas are cheap.  To gain
an understanding of the relationship between an idea and a product,
read a biography of Thomas Edison or Charles Goodyear.

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
       NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh   (216)974-9637
"`Bad, bad,' says the buyer; but when he goes his way, then he boasts."
Proverbs 20:14
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,rec.food.cooking
From: dhoward@novell.com (Dirk W. Howard)
Subject: Re: Food  and copyright ???
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:48:39 GMT

In article <2465@cronos.metaphor.com> covdy@cronos.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) writes:
>From: covdy@cronos.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy)
>Subject: Food  and copyright ???
>Date: 26 Aug 92 19:53:25 GMT
>
>Suppose, I invented how to make burgers or something similar, 
>that is, such a recipe, which might be used by any restaurant.
>
>Is there a way I can make money on it and protect my authorship?
>
>Just wondering...
>
>-- 
>  Ivan Covdy, covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com, METAPHOR Inc.,  CA,  USA
> *** People are looking for a Mind somewhere in the Universe,      ***
> *** because on the Earth they've been finding only the Stupidity. ***


The only way that I know of to protect a recipe is to treat it as a trade 
secret.  This means that you don't share the recipe, you tightly control who 
has access to the recipe and you limit the number of people that have access 
to the recipe.  Clearly identify to those people that it is not to be 
disclosed and possibly have a non-disclosure contract for them to sign.

If you want to make money on a recipe I am aware of only two ways to do so.  
First, open a restaurant and make money by selling your unique cuisine.  
Second, publish a cookbook.  Other than that a recipe does not have much 
value.

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