HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: r_voisey@csd.uwe.ac.uk (R Voisey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Econet Card Pinout
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <C13LC0.1pM@dcs.ed.ac.uk> axl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Andrew Long) writes:

>There are two connectors, one with 17 pins and the other with 5, I know
>what the 5 way one is but I need the pin designations for the other
>connector.  Can anyone help?

Off the top of  the head of  the guy next to me:

1  +5V
   0V
   !RST
   BD7 .. BD0
   LA3
   LA2
   2Mhz
   !SLCT
   R/!W
17 !IRQ

If it's wrong, it's not my fault!

Cheers

Bob
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From: r_voisey@csd.uwe.ac.uk (R Voisey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Curses, foiled again.
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:48:51 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <727749140snx@klaatu.demon.co.uk> steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk writes:
>the compiler and see what happens.  It complains that it can't find
>"sgtty.h", and sure enough I don't seem to have anything called that

sgtty.h is an include file which usually just includes (into itself) the
system dependent headers concerned with talking to terminals.  I vaguely
recall that in unix ioctl.h is included, which contains mainly compiler
definitions (such as BELL 07 etc).  It also contains some very OS
dependent stuff such as socket support etc.

So, basically, it's specific to Unix (and a couple of similar OSs) so does
not appear in the standard Archimedes C library.  You'll have to remove
the #include <sgtty.h> statement, then run it through the compiler again
and see what it complains about.  I haven't seen the source in question, but
it's possible it just uses a few of the compiler definitions which you can
pick out of the throwback and derive yourself.  If, however, it expects to
use sockets, pipes and so forth you have a problem.

>Any suggestions as to what I can do now?  ("Give
>up, you fool" is acceptable, and very tempting, although things did seem
>to be going rather well up until this point).

I recall that somebody did a Unix library for the Arch, so maybe it will
make life easier (I haven't seen it).  If not, you're in for some fun I
suspect.

Cheers

Bob
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From: idg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Hard Disc Prices AGAIN!
Reply-To: idg10@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:04:19 GMT

In article <C15zKJ.7K1@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk>, pss@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Mr. P.S. Spencer) writes:
|> The question was: is there any reason why I can't buy a hard disc from a
|> PC dealer (which means that it would be almost half the price in some
|> cases) and, provided I've made sure that it drives the disc, buy a
|> controller card from an Acorn dealer. If there is no reason why this
|> won't work, then I should be able to get a 170Mb IDE for about $350 (no
|> pound sign on this terminal) inc VAT and delivery!
|> 

Absolutely no reason why not.  I originally bought a SCSI drive and
card of Lingenuity.  My two subsequent drive purchases have seen doubles
in size and halvings of price...  (Buy a disk at PC prices, then buy a
disk at really nice prices from someone who went to a bankrupcy auction...)]


|> In case it's important I've got a 4Mb A3000 with RO3.10 installed, but
|> nowt else.
|> 

Not particularly, but so have I if it's any encouragement.

Ian Griffiths
From: julian@bridge.welly.gen.nz (Julian Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Thanks for Help ! and some new ?'s
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:32:52 +1300
Reply-To: wright_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a

ig06@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Goetz) writes:

> Or does anybody know if such protection circuitry exists for the A310
> and if so who is selling it, how much does it cost and can you install it
> yourself ?

I suggest you screw your monitor cable in tightly. This should be enough
to foil your cable-unplugger :)

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From: braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (David Brain)
Subject: Re: TaskManager_* SWIs
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:11:43 GMT

David Brain (braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk) wrote:
: Could someone who knows please mail me the details of the TaskManager_* SWIs
: 
: From memory the ones in question are:-
: 
: 	TaskManager_EnumerateTasks
: 	TaskManager_TaskNameFromHandle
: 	TaskManager_Shutdown (?)
: 
: Thanks in advance from a RO3 PRMless person..)-:
: 
Please.......

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From: davism@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mik Davis)
Subject: Re: *CheckMap Error
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:42:37 GMT

S.Hickinbottom@lut.ac.uk wrote:

: I've just started getting an error when I do a *checkmap command - when it seems
: to have checked the entire map it then says "map inconsistent with directory
: tree". What's going on? I thought *CheckMap would offer to overwrite the
: bad map, or is this a different case?
: 
: Should I be on my knees looking skyward, or what?


  Hope you're not one for executing the bearer of bad news...

   I had this error a while back on an A5000. Seems it's one of those "known
bugs" in the system. The solution is easy - simply copy all your stuff off the
drive onto a handy Econet*, re-format the drive and copy the stuff back.

  Checkmap does offer to sort out the problem...so long as it can figure out
what the problem actually is. In this case it gets confused and gives up.
  No, this isn't documented anywhere (the problem, or the fact that checkmap
will not always offer to help).

  BTW: You'll probably find that files have started occupying more space than
they should as well. Your hard drive will fill up rather quickly from now on
if the behaviour of the one I had is anything to go by. The effect seems to
be logarithmic too - the longer you leave it, the worse it gets.
  This has been discussed on here before and I suspect it will be again...

   Mik


 [* for Econet read "tape streamer" or "second drive" or "pile of floppies" as
appropriate]
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From: davism@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mik Davis)
Subject: Re: Help needed on Acorn/PC Networking
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:00:14 GMT

Philip Hazel (ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: davism@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mik Davis) writes:
: 
: |>   The archimedes machines cannot access a novell server (or any other PC type
: |> server I know of) and the PCs cannot access a level 4 server however, I
: 
: So use TCP/IP, which is available for both the Arc and the PC (and other things
: too).

  fair enough. Can you suggest the best way to get a server running under tcp/ip
for a combined network please?


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From: O-24@sarpih.no (Ketil Kristiansen)
Subject: Re: Acorn RISC Machine family Data Manual
Summary: What is VLSI's fax number(/address)?
Keywords: ARM data manual, VLSI address/fax number
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:06:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.090426.1003@csc.ti.com> a909937@server1.tiuk.ti.com (
Graham Barr          (0004 bodg)) writes:

[...]

>>>   Acorn RISC Machine family Data Manual. VLSI Technology Inc. (1990)
>>>   Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, USA: ISBN 0-13-781618-9

[...]

>I have recently aquired a copy of this book directly from VLSI in
>Milton Keynes, UK. 

>If you ring them on UK (44) 908 667595 and ask to speak to someone
>about Data Books. 

>I am sure that they will send you a copy if you ask. I did not cost me
>a thing.

>Graham Barr
>a909937@server1.tiuk.ti.com

>You Don't get anywhere without Risc's.

Do you have their fax number too? If you do, could you please mail it
(and their address) to me? My e-mail address is:

	kkristia@nyx.cs.du.edu

KK
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From: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk (Steve Loft)
Subject: Curses, foiled again.
Reply-To: steve@klaatu.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
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Organization: home
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:32:20 +0000

Since no-one admitted to having ported curses, I decided to get hold of
GNU curses and have a bash myself, using UnixLib.  A little foolhardy,
as I haven't attempted anything like this before and I don't really know
what I'm doing.  As usual.  Anyway, I thought I'd throw the whole lot at
the compiler and see what happens.  It complains that it can't find
"sgtty.h", and sure enough I don't seem to have anything called that
anywhere on my disc.   Any suggestions as to what I can do now?  ("Give
up, you fool" is acceptable, and very tempting, although things did seem
to be going rather well up until this point).

Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
From: amclintock@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Cray Communications, Alex McL")
Subject: Re: Curses, foiled again.
Reply-To: amclintock@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:26:00 +0000


Since I would like curses I suppose I
ought to lend a hand. I really have only
been using unixlib for a couple of weeks.
(I was the guy who thought it had curses 
already) but I have been using unix
machines for longer than my arc.

sgtty.h?

I have it here on my unix box. 
It contains one ifdef!

#ifndef _IOCTL_ 
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
#endif

I can't check unixlib on my arc because 
its at home...

Please mail me at alexmc@case.co.uk 
to tell me how you got on...


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From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Thanks for Help ! and some new ?'s
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:01:20 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <C1FHCt.GGE@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower) writes:
>In article <21175@acorn.co.uk> tsumner@acorn.co.uk (Tony Sumner) writes:
>>FACT.
>>
>>ALL RISC OS 3.10 rom sets contain the same version of the font manager.
>>
>>Thankyou for your attention.
>>
>>Tony Sumner
>>(Senior SQA Engineer)

Thanks for clarifying that matter. All ROM sets had the same version then -
presumably this applies to EPROM sets as well./ 

>Fine! - But, what is its version?

FontManager v3.07

Simon
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From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Price of new machines
Keywords: Acorn, Sun, mips, workstation.
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:51:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders) writes:

>I know all this is expecting a lot, but maybe when the new machine comes out
>Acorn should follow Sun's example by setting a standard and licencing it out to
>third parties. That way hopefully we'll get some cheap, good quality machines
>that really compete with the rest of the workstation industry.

I wouldn't expect this. There is not sufficient market for RiscOS
machines for several manufacturers. As for Acorns Unix machines, there
is already nothing that prevents other companies from releasing
workstations based on ARM processors. So if noone has done so yet, I
can't see why onyone would start in the immediate future. If ARM
processors go on to be really popular (and not just in game consoles),
we might see this happen, but until then I wouldn't expect anything.

	Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
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From: braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (David Brain)
Subject: TaskManager_* SWIs
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:04:53 GMT

Could someone who knows please mail me the details of the TaskManager_* SWIs

From memory the ones in question are:-

	TaskManager_EnumerateTasks
	TaskManager_TaskNameFromHandle
	TaskManager_Shutdown (?)

Thanks in advance from a RO3 PRMless person..)-:

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From: davism@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mik Davis)
Subject: Re: Price of new machines
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:46:43 GMT

Mr J L Saunders (maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: I know all this is expecting a lot, but maybe when the new machine comes out
: Acorn should follow Sun's example by setting a standard and licencing it out to
: third parties. That way hopefully we'll get some cheap, good quality machines
: that really compete with the rest of the workstation industry.
: 

  isn't this basically what IBM have done with the PC. They are now getting
wiped out by the proliferation of cheap clones...

  This is how I see thinks anyhow...

  Mik

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From: EEE92002@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Advice on C needed
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:17:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk

>In article <932620162602@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> EEE92002@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>>o Displaying icon-specific menu's in the same window
>
>You shouldn't be displaying icon-specific menus, as this prevents the
>user from easily seeing what can be done by your application - see the
>RiscOS style guide. The right way to do it is to fade options not
>applicable to where the menu button was clicked. So - how do you do
>that?...

Mmm. Well, perhaps Acorn should read their own style guides.
Just look at !Printers, on the printer configure window, there must be
at least four or five icon specific menus.


Thanks anyway,

Neil Spellings
EEE92002@UK.AC.BIRMINGHAM.COMPUTER-CENTRE.IBM3090
From: tsumner@acorn.co.uk (Tony Sumner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Thanks for Help ! and some new ?'s
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:29:45 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1993Jan24.125726.13112@cs.nott.ac.uk> smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
>
>Also, can anyone comment on stories that there are RISC OS 3.10 ROM sets
>in circulation which contain different versions of the FontManager? I
>have had great trouble printing with my LaserDirect using the built-in
>fontmanager (not FastText), and have heard that Acorn brought out a
>newer fontmanager which fixes this problem without telling anybody.
>

FACT.

ALL RISC OS 3.10 rom sets contain the same version of the font manager.

Thankyou for your attention.

Tony Sumner
(Senior SQA Engineer)
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From: idg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Thanks for Help ! and some new ?'s
Keywords: VIDC, FontManager
Reply-To: idg10@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:21:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.125726.13112@cs.nott.ac.uk>, smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
|> In article <1jph4kINNqur@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig06@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Goetz) writes:
|> >Does the FontManager 2.44 rely on some 'hardware configuration' ?
|> 
|> It's interesting that CC does not supply version 2.44 with any of its software.
|> Even Artworks is supplied with version 2.42 - I doubt if this is for technical
|> reasons, more likely that they would have to pay Acorn more to distribute
|> version 2.44.

Don't know about that, but they really wanted to supply Artworks with Ro3's
font manager.  Acorn wouldn't let them, which is why it needs the FontDraw
module loaded.  Incidentally, there's an interresting bug in Artworks printing
to an Ro2 printer driver (e.g. Turbodrivers) under Ro3:  When printing sideways,
it forgets that Ro2 drivers can at least rotate through 90 degrees, and decides
to render all fonts itself using fontdraw.  If there is any reasonable amount
of text on the page this takes forever!  Generally faster to make shapes on
everythin...


|> Also, can anyone comment on stories that there are RISC OS 3.10 ROM sets
|> in circulation which contain different versions of the FontManager? I
|> have had great trouble printing with my LaserDirect using the built-in
|> fontmanager (not FastText), and have heard that Acorn brought out a
|> newer fontmanager which fixes this problem without telling anybody.
|> 
|> Simon

Seems very unlikely, I don't think Ro3.10 has been altered since April.
Possibly if you acquired some of the EPROMed versions from Acorn before the
release date there would be a difference.


Ian Griffiths
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From: burke@vxdesy.desy.de (Stephen Burke)
Subject: Re: Translink type protocols...
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:46:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.013939.10269@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
> However, after some email chats, I have come to the conclusion that translation
> can best be handled by a module to which all translators register, and this
> can then orchestrate the collaboration between two or more applications to
> translate data automatically. Having this module provide a *command for

Yes, after thinking some more I came to the same conclusion. My main point
was that it would be nice not to have to explicitly load a translator in
advance, and I didn't think very carefully about the method.

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From: rych@festival.ed.ac.uk (R Hawkes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Driving TTL Montiors
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:34:58 GMT

Hi,

We want to drive a RGB TTL monitor (i.e. an old BBC CUB
monitor) from an Archimedes and would like to know if anyone 
out there has already tried it and if there are any problems?

Rych

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From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Subject: Re: ARM risc speed?
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:40:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.163935.29452@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> thughes@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Tom Hughes) writes:
>Acorn and ArmLtd have been saying for some time now that the NV
>condition code should not be used for NOP's. The recommended NOP is
>MOV R0,R0. The reason for this is that the instruction space used by
>the NV code may be reallocated in future processors, as NV is
>basically pointless.

A while ago Acorn sent out some guidelines on code sequences which should
no longer be used if compatibility with future processors is to be maximised.
They were issued before the ARM250 was brought out, so probably apply to that?
The problem is that such things are only deemed to be of interest to
registered developers!
From: mre@ukc.ac.uk (Mike)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Fixing the A310 serial port
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:54:58 GMT
Reply-To: mre@ukc.ac.uk (Mike)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan28.163750.20631@comp.lancs.ac.uk> arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Andrew Brooks) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.094704.9118@cs.nott.ac.uk> rsxdp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (D.Pead) writes:

>>I understand the dud serial port on the early A310 is a "known problem" and
>>can be fixed - can anybody tell me what this involves?

>According to the field change order I have (FCO 2003) IC9 (a CMDG65SC51) is
>the problem.  It should be replaced with one that has a date code later than
>8801 (1988, week 1).

>I've got one from 1987, week 29 but it is soldered in :-(  Does anybody feel
>handy with a soldering iron?

Yes, but unfortunately we're a little too far apart to make it
practical.  (-:

Seriously, when you replace any part on the Archimedes motherboard,
do make sure that you use a GOOD desoldering tool - one of these
solder-sucker things is usually not good enough unless you are very
expert at using it.  Failure to do the job properly will probably
leave you with a damaged motherboard which could be costly to fix.

A good desolderer can probably be borrowed from the electronics
department at the local university or polytechnic - you may even
find that one of the techinicians will do the job for the cost of a
pint or two (and an indemnity).

When doing this sort of repair, it is always worth the extra few
pence to fit the new chip in a socket.  Should you ever need to
replace the chip again, you won't have all this hassle.  A prime
candidate for a socket is the serial buffer chip (26LS32 from
memory?) which I have known to be very prone to failure:  at one
point the company I was working for gave instructions that all new
Archimedes were to have this chip fitted in a socket as soon after
delivery as possible simply to save on downtime later - we used to
use the serial ports quite a lot and in time-critical environments
(TV studios at #10000/hour downtime!)  so it was worth the 30
minutes (at #10/hour) to fit the socket before the chip died "at an
awkward moment".

Good luck with the chip replacement,

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