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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Who should I listen to?
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:23:41 GMT

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Massacre, an early-'80s
power trio consisting of Fred Frith, Bill Laswell, and Fred
Maher.  They only put out one record, the LP "Killing Time."
This is one of my favorites of all time, and for me it has
a clear connection with Crimson in that it is EXTREMELY
powerful (I mean REALLY LOUD and almost heavy-metal-esque)
while at the same time filled with strange time signatures
and rhythms and sections of free improv.  This is like classic
Crimson brought up to date (as of 1980) and mixed with the
wild downtown NYC stuff that was going on at the time.
(In fact, a lot of John Zorn's recent work owes a lot to
these guys, IMO.)  Find a copy if you can, and CRANK IT UP.

   --Dave.
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:50:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson) writes:

>In article <C17ryp.4vJ@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> waleed@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Fakhr M. Waleed) writes:
>>Excuse my ignorance, what did Jobson do after UK? 
>>and are any of these works worth buying?

>For one thing, he did a solo album called "Zinc" which I happen to really like.
>It contains alot of stuff that still showcases his electric violin instead of
>just keyboards.  I think it's probably hard to find these days though.  I have
>it on vinyl.  Later, he did solo work on a "New Age" type of label.  He doesn't
>seem to use the violin much anymore (correct me anyone if I'm wrong).  

His release "The Green Album" under the "Zinc" project was supposed to be
one of a series of releases which never came out.  It is a very good album,
would sound great if it is ever released on compact disc.  As it is, on vinyl,
it is one of the hardest albums to find.  I have not even seen it listed in
the cut-out catalogs.

"Theme of Secrets" is his Private Music release, different from his other
works, very deep and dark and moody.  But the quality of the recording and
the sound, amazing.  Some of the tracks have been used in commercials and
for ice skating performances.  I would recommend picking it up.  BTW, his 
use of keyboards and both electric and classical violin is pretty well
balanced on all of his pieces.



-- 
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From: ramst11+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:21:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

To date Eddie Jobson has not appeared on any Procol Harum albums. I can only
assume that the mention of his working with them means that he is going to be
on a future album.

However, I would still suggest at least checking Procol Harum out. They are not
entirely progressive, but can be viewed as being sort of ancestory to prog-rock.
I would suggest either A Salty Dog or Home to start with.

Later,

Rick

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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Hackett-unauth bio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:43:23 GMT

In article <s2i4XB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, s4jack@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Jack) writes:
|> The two unreleased tracks are recorded in 1992.  One of them, "Don't fall 
|> away from me" was written with Brian May, of Queen fame (or infamy).  The 
|> other track's name escapes me but it is ok.  
|> 
|> Whether or not it is worth buying really depends on how you feel about 
|> best of collections.  The interesting part about this CD are the notes 
|> inside that describe the song.  
|> 
|> The current debate as to who started tapping is addressed with S.H. 
|> implying that Eddie Van Halen learned from him.  This comment is a little 
|> self serving but I for one would like to have it cleared up.  Does 
|> anybody know if EVH has resonded or commented in the past that S.H was a 
|> "profound influence".


 As I understand there were a few classical guitar peices written back in the
1940's or 1950's that called for the technique.
From: cs163wel@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:46:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

If you liked the '80s version of the band, I recommend any of the
first three solo albums by that band's lead vocalist and
co-guitarist Adrian Belew, who after all influenced greatly the
sound of King Crimson in that time period (he wrote the lyrics to
all the songs, except "Two Hands" which was written by his now
ex-wife). True, he was responsible for songs like "Heartbeat" and
"Matte Kudasai" (which I like, actually), but he also contributed
more "out" songs like "Dig Me", not to mention his impressive guitar
work.

His first three solo albums were _The Lone Rhino_, _Twang Bar King_,
and _Desire Caught By the Tail_; which are more progressive than his
more recent work.  The first two are more song-oriented, with Zappa
and Crimson influences. _Desire_, an all instrumental album, was
Belew at his most progressive, *too* progressive, in fact, for his
record label at the time, which subsequently dropped him. Maybe
that's why his work on the Atlantic label has been "safer".
Sprinkled throughout his solo work are the signature guitar sounds
that graced the 80's Crimson albums (the elephant roars, whammified
chordal style, feedback-o-rama, "electric cat" screeches, and more).

A sampler of the three albums, _Desire Of the Rhino King_ contains a
good selection (8 tracks from the first two, 5 from Desire for over
70 minutes of music).  I think it's no coincidence Belew's most
adventurous work was recorded around the time he was in Crimson.

Paolo
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Yet more CDs for sale
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:17:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Tiemko - Parade $15
The Nice - Greatest Hits $10 (contains the unreleased Angel of Death)
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear - $7.50
Genesis - And then there were 3 - $7.50
Hawkwind - Palace Springs (UK import) -$15
ELPowell - $7.50  
Keith Emerson - The Xmas Album.  I paid $30 for this.  I know you can
	find it now for less, but make me an interesting offer...
Bruford - Feels Good to Me - $7.50
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos - $7.50

Minimum transaction is $15.

-Mike
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Celtic Rock
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

Having missed a bit of this thread, I'm not sure if anyone
has mentioned Horslips or Runrig. Horslips are a Belfast
Band that are well worth a listen, especially 'The Book
of Invasions'.

Runrig are a Scottish band that I first encountered playing
support for Genesis on the last tour. I was not overly impressed
at the time, but have since borrowed a few of their albums
and their sound is growing on me.

---
Ian Coleman      | "Long in the day, moon on the rise
ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk |  she sighs with a smile in her eyes..."
From: Durns <akd91@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Trevor Horn
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:49:37 GMT
Originator: akd91@webster


   Horn has also produced several PSB tunes if i recall but the actual
tracks i am not sure on!!


Durns.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:20:38 EST
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Sting progressive?

The liner notes to Bring on the Night say that the song Dream of the
Blue Turtles was nominated for a Grammy in the Jazz catagory. It lost.
   Is Sting progressive? I'm certainly no expert on him. But I think
he has done some very original things with bringing different kinds
of music together in new ways, and that can be considered progressive.
Most of the groups that get discussed here seem to have more Classical
music influences, like Yes, Genesis, Marillion, etc. Sting doesn't really
fall into that catagory, but I don't think he has to to be progressive.

 ___                 ___                  Larry Rossi -- LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu
/   \   _ _   _  _  /   \  _     ___
| O  | || || | \/ | | O  || |   | __|     And for a moment when our
|  -<  || || |    | | --< | |   ||=         world had filled the skies,
| O  | ||_|| ||\/|| | O  || |_  ||__        Magic turned our eyes...
\___/  \___/ ||  || \___/ |___| |___|                       Jon Anderson
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Steve Hacket - Unauthorised Bio
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:09:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA

In article <1993Jan24.131634.3143@bradford.ac.uk>,
A.G.Catchpole@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Catchpole) wrote:
> 
> Can I add that if you have already got the original albums, this compilation
> has two previously unreleased tracks, so if you see it fairly cheaply (I
> paid the equivalent of $14) then it might be worth getting.
> 
How are the unreleased tracks?  What time/style periods are they from?  Are
they
really worth $7 a pop?

--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com
From: fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:53:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Earl's Comfort Station

In article <C1Gwt8.9xs@mach1.wlu.ca>, oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody
O'halloran u) wrote:
> 
> I SAW ELP AT MASSEY AND THEY WERE GREAT!!!
> 
> I ALSO MANAGED TO GET BACK STAGE AND MEET GREG LAKE AND KEITH EMERSON!
> (I JUST MISSED SEEING PALMER-HE WENT TO THE BUS WHEN I ENTERED)

   I'm going to see them next week here in New Haven, and I was wondering:
1) are there many differences between this set list and the one from the
previous leg of the tour, and 2) HOW THE @$#! CAN I GET BACKSTAGE!!!!  I
have never been able to do this, and would be very thankful to know how one
goes about doing this!  Please, please, please give me any helpful advice
for meeting these guys!
   Thank you in advance!

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From: dmarkfie@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Markfield)
Subject: North American Progressive bands
Summary: beginning a thread on bands within the US and Canada
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:51:47 GMT


My recent inquiries in Midwestern bands have somewhat set me to thinking.

Despite the lack of quality progressive bands in this area, there are
quite a few truly quality north american progressive artists
around.....witness the upcoming festival.

anyway thought i'd ask folks for their opinions as to their favorite North
American progressive bands....in particular those that are still
kicking...and to whom purchase of a CD means something.....like Animator,
or Djam Karet or Magellan or Kurt Rongey, etc....etc.....

thanx

dave
From: jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New NA bands
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:48:50 GMT
Organization: Game:Guild
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

	Tally this one up as a big vote for Echolyn. Just
got their first (only?) CD from Wayside records, and they
are *quite* good. Hints of Marrillion, Yes, and Rush, plus
some interesting vocal harmonies and instrumental
arrangements of their own.

-- 
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|Jason Larke- jlarke@umich.edu- Computer geek, philosophy major, bassist|
|                          Money talks.                                 |
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From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: TRADES WANTED!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:34:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


[I am posting this for a friend from back home in Michigan]

------------------------------------------------------------

WANTED:  Model trains, HO scale; Slot Cars; Star Wars toys;
         The Simpsons merchandise;

Go look in your basement or attic; you may have what I am 
looking for!  

Will trade rare music stuff:  signed; promos; bootleg audio 
and concert footage; rare imports.  From popular rock and 
metal acts like Metallica and GnR to less popular or older
bands.  Will trade just about anything else, too, including
baseball cards.  

Write to:      Otto Weyer
               9914 Centralia
               Redford, MI 48239

Call:          (313) 937-8000

------------------------------------------------------------

This guy really has the stuff.  His name is listed in the 
thank you notes for Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a Seventh 
Son, and he got me backstage when Metallica came to Detriot.

                                         Moses

 
-- 
    "And the Raven never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
     On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
     And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
     And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;" 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: chaz@cton.com (Charles Emory)
Subject: Pink Floyd Box Set
Organization: Computone Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:18:27 GMT

I was in a local music store (Turtles-Atlanta, Ga.) and inquired
about the price of the Pink Floyd box set. I was told that the
box set was a limited release and only available over the holiday
season. Is this true? It may be expensive, but I damn sure wanted
to buy it at aome pointe. Wots a deal?

Thanks, in advance, for any response.

Charles H. Emory
Computone Corp.
(404)475-2725
From: mark@netcom.com (Mark Jeghers)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:39:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone) writes:

>In article <C1Gwt8.9xs@mach1.wlu.ca>, oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody
>O'halloran u) wrote:
>> 
>> I SAW ELP AT MASSEY AND THEY WERE GREAT!!!
>> 
>> I ALSO MANAGED TO GET BACK STAGE AND MEET GREG LAKE AND KEITH EMERSON!
>> (I JUST MISSED SEEING PALMER-HE WENT TO THE BUS WHEN I ENTERED)

>   I'm going to see them next week here in New Haven, and I was wondering:

Does someone have tour info??  Are they coming thru the Bay Area again?
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:26:03 GMT

In article <rbharding.03dq@yuggoth.org>, rbharding@yuggoth.org (Ron Harding) writes:
|> I've just recently started getting into "The Mahavishnu Orchestra."
|> If King Crimson can be considered Rock with some Jazz influence, then 
|> Mahavishnu must be Jazz with some Rock influence.  Both groups land
|> in roughly similar territory.
|> 
|> And both have amazing guitarists.  The Orchestra is centred on guitarist
|> John McLaughlin, who got his start on Miles Davis' groundbreaking fusion
|> album, "Bitches Brew."  Another well-known Mahavishnu alumnus is Jan Hammer.
|> 
|> So far, the only Mahavishnu album I've heard is "The Inner Mounting Flame."
|> I highly recommend it to any Crimsoid.  My next acquisition will be "Birds
|> of Fire" which has been recommended to me by a reliable source.

check out Apocalypse!!  it is the most fully and beautifully orchestrated rock
or jazz cd Ive ever heard!!!  get it on CD; the opening piano notes are
beautifully remastered.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: etcetera@daimi.aau.dk (Frank Carvalho)
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:50:43 GMT

waleed@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Fakhr M. Waleed) writes:

>Excuse my ignorance, what did Jobson do after UK? 
>and are any of these works worth buying?

Yes, he went to play in Jethro Tull on `A`. This record was not intended as
a JT album in the first place - but it turned out to become so.
Then my JT booklet from '20 years of JT' claims that he was in Yes briefly 
in June 1983. However, he never recorded with them I think.

Frank Carvalho

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:01:02 -0500 
From: "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson/Soft Machine?
	<C17zIv.KAt@mach1.wlu.ca>

Well I guess it's clear that Mahavishnu should be checked out.  The only
other ones that weren't named were:
My Goals Beyond
Between Nothingness and Eternity
also check Shakti(including J. McGlaughlin,L. Shankar,& Z.Hussain). 
This is sort of an "east-west" fusion though predominately Indian.

Also, Who is Soft Machine.  I've never heard them.  I would like to know
more about them, esp. if they're crisonesque!
Thanks,
Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: etcetera@daimi.aau.dk (Frank Carvalho)
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:21:37 GMT

bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:

>In article <C14y90.Dwx@fiu.edu>, feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:

>Soft Machine would be another excellent choice.  (No flames please) I
>would start at Bundles, as it features some great guitar work by Holdsworth.
>After that, Softs with John Etheridge on guitar, 5th, the classic Third,
>and 4th.

>	Soft Machine     Third (1970) - Columbia CGK 30339
>		Fifth (1972, 1991) - Epic/Sony ESCA-5418 (Japan)
>        	Bundles (1975, 1990) - See For Miles SEE CD 283 (England)
>        	Softs (1976, 1990) - See For Miles SEE CD 285 (England)

This is not meant as a flame, but don't miss the other Soft Machine albums:
In particular:

                Fourth (1971-1972)
                Six (1973) and
                Land of Cockayne (sic!) (1981 I think)

Fourth is very Crimsonesque!

Frank Carvalho
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Talbert)
Subject: Re: North American Progressive bands
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:10:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.205147.13405@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmarkfie@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Markfield) writes:
>
>My recent inquiries in Midwestern bands have somewhat set me to thinking.
>
>Despite the lack of quality progressive bands in this area, there are
>quite a few truly quality north american progressive artists
>around.....witness the upcoming festival.
>
>anyway thought i'd ask folks for their opinions as to their favorite North
>American progressive bands....in particular those that are still
>kicking...and to whom purchase of a CD means something.....like Animator,
>or Djam Karet or Magellan or Kurt Rongey, etc....etc.....

Aha! A chance to plug a couple of my favorite bands from Music City, USA
(that's Nashville, y'all). 

CHAGALL GUEVARA
   CG isn't exactly progressive in the same way that YES or King Crimson are
progressive, but they have been widely regarded as somewhat art-rockish. 
They are much more straight-ahead than most prog-rockers. 
   CG consists of a band that used to be located in California, I think, who
moved to Nashville a couple of years ago. They added noted Christian rock 
singer Steve Taylor as vocalist soon thereafter. They have one self-titled
CD out at the moment, which is really very good! Their live shows are must-
sees as well. Check these guys out.

BELA FLECK & THE FLECKTONES
   They're not exactly rock, they're more like... um... well...
   Any self-respecting progressive music fan should check out these guys. 
Their CD's are usually placed in the Jazz section, but they truly resist 
labelling. They combine elements of bluegrass, jazz, funk, and rock in their
stuff. Bela is a banjo player, but I think you've probably never heard a 
banjo sound quite like *this*. They have three albums out: their self titled
debut, _Flight of the Cosmic Hippo_, and _UFO Tofu_. You may have seen 'em
on the Tonight show last year. Truly amazing stuff! 

Other, less progressive but equally good Nashville bands to check out: 
	The Hard Corps
	Giant 
	The Questionnaires
	Me Phi Me
	
*End plug*




--
Robert N. Talbert    		  | "I saw what cannot be seen
Mathematics Department  	  |  She spoke to me
Vanderbilt University		  |  'Take what you've learned, set it free
talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu |   See what you'll see.' " --- King's X
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From: ash@unislc.uucp (Ashok Sharma)
Subject: Just a test mail
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:26:25 GMT


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thanx..
From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New Steve Howe release
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:18:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan25.205612.24217@wam.umd.edu>, moleface@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.204733.23722@cunews.carleton.ca>  
> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>> The new Steve Howe solo disc is called "The Grand Scheme Of Things"
>> and is released through Relativity (ugh) records on March 23
>> in the USA and about a week later (yeah, right) in Canada on Sony.
>> 
>> Anil Prasad
>> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
> What's so wrong with Relativity records?

Apart from the fact that "Turbulence" was very expensive on import
in the UK and was based mostly on tunes in "Union" already, nothing...
...I think they'd be wise not to print SH's cosmic philosophy on
the sleeve this time, too.

Graham Nelson (Oxford, UK)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: waleed@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Fakhr M. Waleed)
Subject: Question about Jobson
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:16:00 GMT

Excuse my ignorance, what did Jobson do after UK? 
and are any of these works worth buying?

Thanks alot
Waleed
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive