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From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Subject: Re: New Timex Watch
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:56:25 GMT


jonesey@crystal.uswest.com ( Doug Jones) wrote this about 
"New Timex Watch":
>
>memory:
>
>The casio can store multiple days worth of info, as long as they do not all
>total to more than 30 splits.  that is, i could do a workout on tuesday,
>store it, and then do a workout on thursday, store it, and still be
>able to review both the following saturday.  also, the casio stores a
>date prefacing each series of splits (the date counts as one of the 30
>total splits).  the timex stores only one workouts worth of information.
>you have to erase the current workout before beginning a new workout, and
>no date information is stored.
>

	This is one of the things that is so great about the Casio.  I just
	entered times in my log from a tri I was in in August last week.  I
	waited until I got results in the mail.  I often wait until I have
	my 30 'laps' almost used up before I start entering details of
	workouts into my log.

	I also use the separate 'workouts' of the watch within one logical
	workout.  For example, when I swim I will use separate workout
	memories on the watch for different sets.  If I do a set of 10X100's
	and a set of 5X200's, I store them separately.  I think it would
	really suck to start the watch at the start of the 10x100's and
	have it run continuosly through the completion of the 5x200's.  I
	feel it would make the info harder to recover from the watch at
	log time. (ie. "Gee, was that the end of the last 100 or the start
	of the first 200?")

	It seems to me that the folks over at Timex ought to do some market
	research to find out how to make a usable sports watch with multiple
	split memory.  Or maybe they should buy the Casio and see how it
	works.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
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From: goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell)
Subject: Re: Aero wheels
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:55:45 GMT

See my post under rec.bikes.tech.  It's a long one...

Michael Batchelder
mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
Subject: Hawaiian Ironman; it's almost time...
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: usa
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:13:15 GMT

What are your predictions for the Ironman?  Will it be another Allen and
Newby-Fraser year?

Also, does anyone know when it's scheduled to be aired?

john//
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: New Timex Ironman Watch
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:48:41 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

I saw the OLD timex watch listed for sale by BEST products last weekend
for $26.95.  I was hoping that the price would drop so that they could
make way for the new watch.

Bruce Cheney
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From: rjd@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Dick Dowe)
Subject: Re: New Timex Watch
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:57:41 GMT

> here is the info as promised on how i percieve the new timex watch to
> be as opposed to the casio i used to use.
> 
>    ....
> 
> memory:
> 
> The casio can store multiple days worth of info, as long as they do not all
> total to more than 30 splits.  that is, i could do a workout on tuesday,
> store it, and then do a workout on thursday, store it, and still be
> able to review both the following saturday.  also, the casio stores a
> date prefacing each series of splits (the date counts as one of the 30
> total splits).  

This is the feature that makes the Casio the watch for me.  I love being
able to capture a series of workouts and transfer them to my database
at my leisure.  Since the watch remembers the date and splits for a number
of workouts, I can go for a number of days before I need to update the
database.

> 
> resetting the watch:
> 
> also, in the casio you can clear selective workouts only.
> that is, if you have multiple workouts stored in memory, you need to delete
> each one individually.

One minor corrections.  Depressing the reset button while reviewing a
specific workout will clear only that set of splits.  Depressing
the reset while the display shows how many splits remain will clear
all entries from the memory.

Thanks for the review.  I was hoping the new Timex would have the
features of the Casio along with a larger split memory.  Oh well,
it looks like I will keep the Casio (I just got a new one from
R. B. Athletic).
-- 
Dick Dowe			r.j.dowe@att.com
From: dodge@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Dodge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: TV Coverage of Escape..
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:44:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

I wasn't that impressed with the TV coverage of Escape....

While the Men's elite was reasonably covered, the ladies were
virtually ignored. By the look of it, there was quite a battle
for second and third. The coverage barely mentioned it.

I don't know why they always find that 1 person with the
"Reader's Digest Drama in Real Life" story. Sure its
interesting, but I'd rather see a few shots of the middle
of the pack during the three legs. The producers feel like
they always have to know everything about someone before they
put them in the show. For anyone who has ever watched a tri live,
it can be pretty interesting just to see the main group go by.
The NY City Marathon people finally got it right last year by shutting
up for a few minutes and just showing the pack while playing some
heavy classical music.

This weekend, those of us who raced at the World's are going
to sit around, sip a few beers and criticize the CBC TV
coverage :)))

-- 
     >==o^   __e     o        
     SWIM  _ \ ~    %          Jeff Dodge
          (x)/(x)  /)          MITEL PUBLIC SWITCHING
            BIKE   RUN         Kanata, Ontario, Canada (eh?)
From: jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: running rash
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:36:20 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver

>  I've had the same problem as Rolf describes.   On long runs i used
>to get a rash on each side of my body where my arms rubbed my sides.
>The problem can be agravated if you use a heart monitor 'cause the
>strap thingy makes your skin bulge up on either side making it easier
>for your arms to make contact.   I rubbed a whole bunch of vaseline
>on my sides and problem solved.   It was only a few weeks ago that
>my mileage got up high enough to encounter the problem.  I
>did my last race of the season two weeks ago, a 20 km running race.
>With the vaseline on i had no trouble at all.   I wonder if pure
>runners ever get this problem?   It occurred to me that whatever
>those muscles are that go down your sides and back from your shoulders
>that get built up from swimming may bulge out your sides enough to
>allow your arms to make contact with your sides when you run.
>

I've been running for the past 6 years and, until this past year, I
had never experienced this problem.  What am I doing differently? - I've
been training and racing triathlons!  I agree with Grant Hill's theory
about swimming being the root of the problem (see quote above).  But
now that I have discovered triathlons, I am not ready to give them 
up because of a little pain!?!  

I find that vaseline prevents this problem even during long runs 
(i.e., 18+ miles).  The only problem I seem to have is remembering
to put it on before I leave the house .......


-- 
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> 
> A while back someone mentioned that timex had come out with
> (was coming out with) a new version of its ironman watch. Among
		       ^^
		       50
> 

It's in the latest Road Runner Sports catalog.

>       Has this watch actually arrived at retail stores or
> 
>       Did Timex just "announce" it would be coming out sometime

RRS says 10 day delivery.  I don't have the watch yet.

> 
> The reason I ask is that I've checked a few places in my area that
> carry alot of timex merchandise and noone has any idea of what I'm
> 

-- LSC
From: loreen@raider.SanDiego.NCR.com (Loreen Prinz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: New Timex Ironman Watch
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: Loreen.Prinz@SanDiego.NCR.com
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA

In article <113520169@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry
Chapman) writes:
> 
> RRS says 10 day delivery.  I don't have the watch yet.
> 

I went down there last Friday (10/2) and they said they'd be coming in on
the 13th.

Does anyone now if the Casio 30 lap come in a women's size?  The men's is a
little big for my wrist.

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From: adaptive@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (zyda res acct)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: wanted: Santa Cruz Sentinel entry
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:51:05 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

Well, here it is, a few days before the Santa Cruz Sentinel Triathlon
and I decide I want to do it. Anybody have a race packet they want to
sell? I will pay for shipping!

george dabro
Cyberware

dabro@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:57:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Escape from Alcatraz and NBC coverage
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

/ hpcc01:rec.sport.triathlon / jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black) / 12:48 pm  Sep 23, 1992 /
Did everyone see the NBC coverage of the "Escape from Alcatraz" last Saturday?
I thought they did an excellent job covering the race, using stationary cameras
in boats and on the trails, moving cameras on the road, and lots of helicopter
shots.  I was hoping for split times for all the pros, but I guess they figured
most spectators weren't interested in such things.

Rip Esselstyn has one of the best strokes I've ever seen.

john//
jrb@ingres.com
----------
I also think they did a great job.  I like the fact that we didn't have
some other sport spattered in the middle and they skipped the up
close and way to personals.  Interviews are nice but they spared us the"
sick boyfriend" stories like the olympic cycling.


I think we shoud
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Water Running - "Update"
Keywords: water running, injury prevention
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:30:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In January, I took a water running class to explore this odd method
of cross-training.  After 10 sessions, I had learned **how** to water
run.  I just needed to learn how to effectively use it now.  

I used it in January and February, ran a little in March, was reinjured, 
had surgery in March and again in April.  I water ran pretty consistently
for April and May, and began to run again in late May.  In June, I got
bursitis and/or a stress fracture in my foot.  Back to the water.  In July
I got a stress fracture in the same foot, different toe.  (Bad shoes were the
culprit).

I ran a 5 km race in August with minimal on-road training, finishing
in respectable 20:35, with a good sprint at the end.  Two weeks later, with
**no on-road** mileage at all, I posted my best run ever in a triathlon,
averaging just under 6:30's for 3 miles at Harriman.  

---

I am now running the equivalent of 40 miles/week, with about 20-40% in the
water.  I am training for the NYC marathon in November, and eagerly 
anticipate running now (thanks to a new attitude and no injuries).  I cannot
predict my time yet, but 3:30 or below seems do-able.  

I highly recommend water running to those who are injury prone, have leg/
muscle soreness, or just want a different workout.  Runners' World recently
"criticized" water running, saying they could not get the heart rates up
to over 75% of heart rate max.  When I run, my heart rate ranges from
170-190 bpm.  I can sustain 180 bpm in the water, so I feel confident
that aerobically I can match land running w/o injury worries.  Plus,
water running works the upper body **alot**, which always help the
muscle-minded triathletes.

Well, it is Saturday afternoon.  Mom is at home waiting for me to visit,
so I am outa here.  

Stay healthy.

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu

(BTW, I use a 5 mile loop as a weekly time trial.  My average pace is now
down to 31:12, or 6:14/mile.  It seems to be dropping about 4 sec/mile/week
so things are going in the right direction anyway.)
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: LONG Distance Running Questions
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:40:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In just 4 short weeks I will be participating in my first marathon (NYC, 
11/1).  Not bad, considering 6 months ago I had trouble getting up to
walk to the next room.  

My question:  

I have found that my skin has been getting irritated, most notably under
the arms.  The other "common" areas of irritation I have found solutions 
for, but the arms still plague me.  After my 20 mile run yesterday, I had
two glowing red patches under each arm with the pain to match.  

How do I minimize or avoid this in the marathon?  Any and all clues
I would appreciate very much.  

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu


"Why?  Me."
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From: 2001_3334@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: running rash
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:26:47 GMT


  I've had the same problem as Rolf describes.   On long runs i used
to get a rash on each side of my body where my arms rubbed my sides.
The problem can be agravated if you use a heart monitor 'cause the
strap thingy makes your skin bulge up on either side making it easier
for your arms to make contact.   I rubbed a whole bunch of vaseline
on my sides and problem solved.   It was only a few weeks ago that
my mileage got up high enough to encounter the problem.  I
did my last race of the season two weeks ago, a 20 km running race.
With the vaseline on i had no trouble at all.   I wonder if pure
runners ever get this problem?   It occurred to me that whatever
those muscles are that go down your sides and back from your shoulders
that get built up from swimming may bulge out your sides enough to
allow your arms to make contact with your sides when you run.

------------------------------------
Grant Hill, UWO Dept. of Astronomy
____________________________________
From: ross@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: LAKES in PA and NJ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:59:26 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility


	I would like to get some more practice swimming in open water 
(specifically lake swimming) in preparation for the few triathlons that
I do each year that have lake swims.  Does anybody know of any lakes in
Pennsylvania or Southern New Jersey (fairly close to Philadelphia) that are
used for swimming?  Once when I went to Germany I visisted a "beach" with
a man-made lake that was used exclusively for swimming.  It was super and
even had a small island to which you could swim.  Now if I could only find
something like that around here.  The lakes that I swim in for the triathlons
are only open for swimming on the race day, all other days swimming is
not permitted since they are used for fishing and boating.
-- 

			--- Andy Ross ---
                    University of Pennsylvania

                    ross@mscf.med.upenn.edu
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From: lari@sina.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Subject: first race  
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:14:58 GMT



Hi, 

I will do my first multisport event in 2 weeks. It is a biathlon, with 
800mt swim and 6k run. 
I am a pretty good runner (36' on 10k) and a recreational swimmer (quite 
slow...), so I feel trained enough for this. 
My concerns are: 
-How can I warm up for a swim race? 
-Should I also make run warm-up before starting? 
-Should I practice the transition by swimming+running a day at the pool? 
-After the transition, is it better to start running slow and catching up 
my race pace after 1-2k or so? 
 
	Thanks in advance for any suggestion, 

		    FRANCESCO 



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From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: Equalithon
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:09:59 GMT

In article <sel8CTC00WBLE1cdww@andrew.cmu.edu> "Linda C. Schmidt" <lg20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>we are talking about triathlons. So lets have the distances equalized to
>spend about the same amount of time in each.  I'm anticipating an
>argument for looking at the calories or energy burned!  But this as we
>know depends on a lot of other factors(ie weight, etc).
>

Why equal times?  Why not equal distances - swim 1 mile, bike 1 mile, then
run 1 mile.

Actually, there are some indoor triathlons that go by time and not distance.
You swim for X minutes, bike for Y minutes, and run for Z minutes.  Whoever
covers the most total distance in X+Y+Z minutes wins.  There may be some
events where X=Y=Z.

I don't think the equal times would work for ultras though.  Imagine
swimming for 6 hours, cycling 6 hours, and then running for 6 hours.
Makes me want to take a nap just thinking about it.  (I know, some people
actually do double, triple, and more Ironman events.)

Somebody else brought this up already, I think, and there was an article in
Triathlon Times concerning the Olympic distance times.  For a 1.5K swim,
40K bike, and 10K run, the times between the fastest and slowest in each
event were similiar (I think they may have averaged the top 10 and bottom 10
times or did something to get rid of extraordinary good or bad times).  That
is, the slowest swimmer was maybe 20 minutes slower that the best, but the
slowest biker was also only 20 minutes slower than the best (these are for
similiar age groups/levels).  Same with the run.  So they concluded the
Olympic distance was an "equalithon" as far as time differences are concerned.
Too bad the fastest swimmmers usually end up being the fastest bikers and
runners too.


Todd Jensen                                  o
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From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: New Timex Ironman Watch
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:52:23 GMT

In article <1a7ntlINNrrb@uwm.edu> retzer@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>A while back someone mentioned that timex had come out with
>(was coming out with) a new version of its ironman watch. Among
>other features was a 60 lap memory. My question is :
>
>      Has this watch actually arrived at retail stores or
>
>      Did Timex just "announce" it would be coming out sometime
>      in the future?
>
>The reason I ask is that I've checked a few places in my area that
>carry alot of timex merchandise and noone has any idea of what I'm
>reffering to.

I have yet to see them in the stores, either (but then again, I'm out
here in the boonies). The person who posted this info originally (and
I've seen it there too) said the new Timex watches are now available
through Road Runner Sports. However this is not the regular RRS
catalog, but the special pre-season catalog that is sent out to RRS's
special Runner's Club members. I just got the Fall 1992 RRS catalog,
and the new watches ARE in that one. You can probably call them and
find out if they;'re actually in stock.


--
A. Lani Teshima (teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu)       o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
Student, UH School of Library & Information Studies     o|<0_0>--------*
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From: cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Curtis E. Bower)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Anyone have a Kestrel?
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:27:35 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In general, Kestrels are excellent bikes.  I have had friends and
acquantences that have owned Kestrels.  I have even considered buying
one before.  I have determined however, that there are better bikes out
there for the money.  As I see it, there are two main disadvantages to
buying a Kestrel or any monoque carbon fiber frame.  Number one, they
are prohibitavely expensive.  for $1200 you will only be able to get 
one of the cheaper Kestrels or one with a lower quality grupo, or
possibly a used one.  The econd disadvantage to these frame is that they
are prone to cracking, at least the ones I have come into contact with
are.  I have known about five or six people who have owned Kestrels, and
four of them have cracked their frames.  Granted, Kestrel replaced the
frame, but the time and energy lost in having to replace the frame were
enormous.  It took on the average about two to three or even more months
to replace the frame.  During this, time, the season could pass you buy
and you would be without your race bike.  If carbon fiber cracks, it ha
to be replaced, the entire frame must be replaced.  Only on the newer
frames that have bonded lugs and tubes can parts be replaced, but even
this is time consuming.
	Of course carbon fiber does have its positive aspects.  It is light
weight and inceadibly stiff.  I have ridden a couple and found them to
be exhilerating.  If you are a triathlete, perhaps this is the bike for
you.  I know Kestrel makes several models for the Trathlete. (TT
indicates Time Trial, slightly different from triathalon)  
	What it comes down to is preference.  For my money, I would invest in
either a handmade italian frame (e.g. Tommasini) or a titanium frame. 
However titanium is really expensive.  But keep in mind, I am a road
racer, not a triathlete.  I want a good all around race bike, not a
built for speed triathalon bike. However, what I have said about carbon
fiber is true, so keep in mind what can go wrong with it.  I'm sure
there are people who have had carbon fiber bikes or know someone that
has, and they have never had a problem with a cracked frame.  All I can
say is that I have, several times.
	So, good luck in finding the bike that's right for you.  Be sure that
you ride whatever bike you want to buy and make sure it fits you.  Fit
is critical.  With that, I say goodbye.




-Curt
A.K.A. Wolverine

"Aw man!  Just as my coil was reaching the green line!"
						-Kaneda 
						(from 'Akira')
From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Running Rash Hints - Thanks!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:06:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Thanks to all of the comments and suggestions on running rash/blisters/etc.

Vaseline topped the list for curing under the arm rash.  
(Don't laugh to hard) - I used Band-Aids over my nipples and that worked well
also.  I get blisters between two particular toes.  I found a single cotton
ball between the toes prevents the rub and provides minimal distortion 
to running form.  I wear orthotics and tend to get a rub in the arch 
area from them.  In the past, I found moleskin works wonders here, but it has 
to be applied firmly and w/o wrinkles to the skin.  

Stay healthy.

(BTW, next year, I hopefully will have Ironman distance questions.  These
marathons seem so wimpy.)

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu