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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Steroids, Aids, and baby drowning
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:46:44 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul31.144355.15182@news.duc.auburn.edu>, ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|> >
|> >I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
|> >team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
|> >done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
|> >drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
|> >should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
|> >thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
|> >routes for the spread of aids.

   I agree this is just stupid and probably meant to do just what it did, piss 
 you off.

|> 
|> Solinsky seems to imply that since there are Chinese drowning baby girls,
|> this must be wide spread. Since there are American parents abusing and
|> killing their children, this must be a common practice. Well, I am not
|> willing to even go so far as saying: since there is a Solinsky making
|> stupid comments, many Americans must do. 

Glad you understand.

|> 
|> Now, should we glorify M Johnson because he has HIV? I think not. He made
|> dumb mistakes and he regreted it. Does he regret only the fact that he did
|> not use condome, or that he cheated on his wife? Johnson has the courage
|> to fight HIV and to play in Olympics. That's worth praising. Any more
|> glorification seems undeserving.

<ON THE SOAPBOX>
I don't think Magic was married when this happened,  And I don't think he should
be immortalized for being HIV positive.  He should be immortalized for being
one of the greatest basketball players ever.  However, his plight has brought 
much needed attention to the HIV problem here and around the world.  If his
situation saves one other person then it is good that it gets the attention it
does.

<OFF THE SOAPBOX>


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From: zzang@whale.stat.ufl.edu (Zhuo Zang)
Subject: Re: China News (TO: Peter)
Organization: University of Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:04:35 GMT

In article <92211.190508PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Last night ABC news, China has signed a contract with the big three
>>auto-makers worth of $130 million for auto parts supplies by the
>
>Who provides whom?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>Another news I got from the People's Daily, is about a contract with
>>Chevron for providing compressor oil for the airplanes, and this
>
>Who provides whom?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>---Peter
>

US is the provider in both contracts.

Zhuo

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21577 rec.sport.olympics:1844
From: aksimha@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Arun Simha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:51:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

>In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>>
>>>>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>>>>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.
>>
>>>Thanks for the best laugh I have had in days. Who needs "rec.humor"
>>>after this?
>>
>>Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice between
>>watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
>>guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
>>diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
>>American had expressions on her face.
>

   Well, one of my friends looked at the American divers and asked, "Why
   are these men wearing women's costumes." He was being dead serious, too.
   You've got to understand that different cultures percieve rational
   behaviour in different ways. For example, women in Asia do not jump
   in the air and whistle and hoot to cheer their sportsmen. Each 
   culture interprets "manners" differently. For an American, a laid back
   attitude is the natural thing, not so for Asians. To my friend, the
   lady diver, Mary Ellen Clark, looked like a man what with her muscles and
   short hair. Unfortunately, a lot of viewers concentrate more on appearence
   than on performance. How many times has one heard, "Lendl and Martina
   look and act like robots, hope McEnroe and Chris Evert win."
    Another example; The American team does not bend the flag during a 
    march past as a mark of respect, but wear underwears depicting the
    stars and stripes! This is the cultural difference I'm trying to point 
    out.


       One more thing I've noticed among viewers is that they tend to 
   confuse the masochistic media with the attitudes of the sportsmen. 
   The American athletes are not supported by *foreigners* like in previous
   Olympics, because of the stupid media. We have to remember that the
   athletes are blameless and they give their best! Lots of folks hate
   some athletes just because commentators speak in an abrasive tone.
   e.g., "The dream team will show the world that basketball belongs to
   the Americans." Costas made this caustic comment and immediately the
   dream team lost a few supporters. Hey, let's face it, Johnson & Co
   have achieved this level of excellence by working hard. Never mind what
   the NBC guys comment. Support the athletes (American or othewise)
   without being influenced by television.


Arun Simha
]
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:45:27 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: re: San Mao's books

her best books are  the stories of sahara desert
and Meng1 Li3 hua1 luo4 zhi1 duo sh3. Others are
so so, lack of real motion and feelings.

In some senses, her whole live is much more moving
than her books. Her unique style and characteristics
are really seldom seen in the world.

X Xu
From: ZGAO@FINABO.ABO.FI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: just a test
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:41:00 GMT

This is a test. ignore please!
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Questionnaire
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:39:51 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



To whom it may concern,


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

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 |qualify as a respondent.                                                |   
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If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
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From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:54:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an 
interest so far.  If you would like to see the fourth draft of my 
questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as 
men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I posted in 
alt.personals.
 
This service is serious and I already have 84 men and 68 women signed
up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected and
programmers are being lined up for the construction of the listserver.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make sure
that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                            Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: hxiao@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Hemin Xiao)
Subject: Re: Olympic Anecdote
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:57:38 GMT

In article <13810@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>
>    I can hardly believe the following story.  Is it interesting?
>
>=========================================================================
>
>    BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- Showing a little too much buttock will cost
>you in women's gymnastics.
>
>    Two gymnasts from China and one from Czechoslovakia were penalized
>Monday for dress-code violations during their compulsories.
>
>    Zhang Xia and Lu Li were docked one-tenth of a point in China's team
>score. Daniela Bartova of Czechoslovakia also was penalized a one-tenth,
>but that penalty will be taken from her individual score because
>Czechoslovakia is not entered in the team event.
>
>    Dress-code penalties are levied for only two reasons -- immodesty or
>wearing a uniform different in style or color from those of teammates.
>
>    The penalties were levied by the International Gymnastics
>Federation's Jury of Appeals, one day after the women's compulsories.
>Officials did not specify the nature of the violation, but the gymnasts'
>leotards apparently showed more leg than allowed.

Did anyone who watched the game noticed this? Was is the design of the
uniform caused the penalty or the way they were wearing it?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu (SAMUEL H CHEN)
Subject: Re: Image of mainland Chinese (was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Originator: shchen@c00019-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:10:51 GMT



|>In article <1992Jul17.190942.19373@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
|>>>->After reading the forwarded message,  tell you the truth that my feeling
|>>>->was very complex. At one hand, I agree with the person who wrote the
|>>>->original message. Yes, a lot of Chinese are very greedy now. We couldn't
|>>>->blame other people having such kind of impression. On the other hand,
|>>>->this person may mislead the world that Chinese are cook but nothing
|>>>->else. I found it very offensive to me that the person painted the
|>>>->Chinese community as corrupted country to such a extend.
|>>>->
|>>>
|>>>This is not the only time that mainland Chinese are being described as
|>>>very greedy.  Has anyone seen the Cantonese TV series Bao4 Yu3 Ran2 Shao1
|>>>(Burning Rain) currently being aired in the San Francisco Bay Area? 
|>>>The image they painted in that TV series is no better than as described
|>>>in the forwarded message.
|>>>
|>> 
|>> The greedy image of Chinese is built over the time and on a wide basis.
|>> Another good example is the Taiwan independence issue. Most of Chinese
|>> never think about what Taiwan's people want and like, they just say that
|>> Taiwan is mine we will take it back. So, to be not greedy, should Chinese 
|>> learn first how to respect other people's right and ask what are other 
|>> people's feeling before claiming their right  ?
|>> 
|>> Yi-Chieh
|>
|>         The 2nd example: There are 10,000 Chinese people in Taiwan, who
|>     smuggled into this rich island.
|>
|>         The 3rd example: Chinese government has been charging Taiwanese
|>     who go to China higher and higher fees. An anonymous Chinese official
|>     says "Because they are rich."
|>
|>         The 4th example: Taiwanese fishermen have been robbing by Chinese
|>     fishermen. Some Chinese robbers are officials.
|>
|>         The 5th example: China organizationally exports her guns and
|>     weapons to Taiwan. Chinese people earn a lot from this good deal.
|>

I think the above examples epitomizing the corruption and rots of the Chinese 
society.  All Chinese need to take a long hard look in the mirror and start 
self-criticizing and make your chairman Mao proud.  I can hear him turning in 
his grave right now.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Final medal standing, 24th OG
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:56:25 GMT

For those who forgot the medal standing of last summer olympic game, 
here is to fresh your mind:
Seoul, S. Korea, Sept 17-24, 1988

          gold  silver bronze  total
USSR(CIS)  55     31     46     132
E. Germany 37     35     30     102
US         36     31     27      94
W. Germany 11     14     15      40
Bulgaria   10     12     13      35
S. Korea   12     10     11      33
China       5     11     12      28
Romania     7     11      6      24
G. Britain  5     10      9      24
Hungary    11      6      6      23
France      6
Italy       6
Japan       4
Kenya       5
................................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Reply-To: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:19:56 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.711823253.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu>, jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
>
>In <1703@kluge.fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu writes:
>
>>In article <CMM.0.90.2.711747819.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> (James Ou) writes:
>>|Chinese said, "once
>>|your teacher, forever your father." (Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1
>>|Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4).
>>
>>This misinformation campaign is getting worse and worse. The Chinese
>>saying is Yi1Ri4 Shou4Jiao4, Zhong1Sheng1 Wei2 Shi1 (He/She whom
>>you took lesson even for one day from shall be respected as your
>>teacher for the rest of your life). Chinese respect their teacher
>>a lot, but in no way the position of father can be compromised.
>
   I think both sayings existent(not meaning right or wrong):
   Yi1Ri4 Shou4Jiao4, Zhong1Sheng1 Wei2 Shi1 (He/She whom
you took lesson even for one day from shall be respected as your
teacher for the rest of your life)
and:
   Yi1Ri4 wei2 Shi1, Zhong1Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4 (He/She who used to be
your teacher shall be respected as your father for the rest of your life)
  Notice: You respect someone as your father is not meant he/she is really 
your father.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:55:11 GMT

I wonder why some people who are quite eager to bash the Western
media previously have shown quite remarkable restrains this time
on the TIME article. Some even defended for the magazine. And where
are the 92XX action committe/people? Isn't this a golden opportunity
for them to Yi1 Zhan3 Suo3 Chang2 to show how good they can screw
people around?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: A Healthy China Re: Gold, silver and Spratly
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:55:06 GMT

In article <Bs0pwo.LAw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>China's reaching to Gold in Olympics is a result of its openness
>to the world. No Gold was brought to China in Mao's time when
>China was completely isolated from the world. NBC's commentator
>was obviously stupid on this point. I have called them.

I bet some chinese giggled, :-( , like me at that time, when we felt 
that the comments were not to the point. Culture differences may 
also play a role here, with some other factors.

>As to the Spratly, China should not show too much of its guts.
>First it will give excuse for American to create hostility against
>China. Second Chinese navy is no match to the American's at this

Agree.

>time. Third it will make enemy to many Asian countries.

China shouldn't be attracted into a trap, at a time when US troops
are not welcomed in many countiries there. US is trying to get back
its influence in that region. The US company who is willing to drill 
oil with China may just be a bait. This issue is so complicated that a 
conclusion is very difficult to be reached. The Spratly is partly
divided between countries. China is just trying to get more 
unoccupied isles, which is not that agressive as some people may
think. Wars is unlikely, as long as no part is trying get the food
in other competitors' mouth. China should be careful in handling
this issue. Otherwise, China will lose more than what can be got.

>...(Some comments about Family Li's internal affairs, between Xiao Li
>    and Lao Li, are deleted.) :-)
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yi Shu's Books (Was Re: San Mao & Qiong Yao's Books)
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:44:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <13907@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
->    In article <1992Jul31.031407.2008@burrhus.harvard.edu> (31 Jul 92)
->Qinqin Wang writes,
->
->> I especially want to say hello to this person who can appreciate Yi Shu's
->> books, as I am a big fan of her.  ...  Her books taught me how to enjoy
->> the daily life even in the face of sadness, loneliness and disappointment.
->> Great writer to me, indeed.
->
->So who is this Yi Shu, what are the Chinese characters of her name/pen-name?
->And what she has written?  Anyone cares to give us out-moded older netters
->an introduction?

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She wrote love stories, or rather stories on failed relationships.  I
believe some of her characters are Hong Kongers and some are Taiwanese.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20678 soc.culture.hongkong:9108
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Subject: Re: Fundamental problem of China (Was Re: after 1997...)
Reply-To: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:17:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang):

>Let me point out that there is a significant difference between the
>economic reforms in the PRC and the "shock treatment" plans in Eastern
>Europe and Russia.  In Eastern Europe and Russia, the "shock
>treatment" consists of immediately privatizing state industries and
>agriculture.  The problem is that once you destroy the old centrally
>planned economies, it takes time for the market economies to develop.
>In the mean time, you have a lot of potentially explosive civil
>unrest, and a lot of pressure for the government to stop the market
>reforms.
>
>In the PRC, you have had a private economy growing along side the
>centrally planned one.  The advantage of this method is that the
>transition between from central to private economies can be taken with
>much less social unrest.

To tell you the truth, I'd like to see these two methods exchanged between
China and Eastern Europe.  The Chinese people are much more sharp-minded
and eager to find and take advantage of new opportunities.  They are also
more willing to accept what environment the govt creates and cause less
unrest.  They should be able to build up a new system to replace the old
one quickly.

The E. Europeans, (especially the Russians), however, are more lacking in
the entrepreneurial spirit and they need a more slowly changing environ-
ment to adjust to.  They also stir things up when they don't like the govt,
whether justified or not.

Alas, I have a feeling that it is not co-incidence, but a more fundamental
process at work, which gives these two peoples their respective governments.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20866 soc.culture.taiwan:11175 soc.culture.hongkong:9173
From: zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy [Part 2]
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:27:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

test. kjdh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qzpeng@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Qingzhi Peng)
Subject: Re: just a test
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:01:29 GMT

Testing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
Subject: Software for Chinese Wordprocessing
Originator: yumei@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:14:10 GMT


Hello everybody,

     I am wondering if any of you know of any Chinese wordprocessing software
packages that recently came out.  I am particularly interested in software that
offers good on-screen character resolution.  ANy info. will be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.

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