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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Homestead Spring Training facility severely damaged by Andrew
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 25 Aug 1992 17:49 EST  

The Tribe's new Spring Training facility at Homestead, FL was severely
damaged by Andrew, whose eye passed through Homestead, last night.

Among the areas damaged were the outfield loges, upper deck seating, 
scoreboard, outfield fence, and indoor practice facility.  Tribe President
Rick Bay will go to Homestead to assess the damage over the weekend, but
the Tribe may have to play this coming Spring elsewhere, and possibly
share facilities with other teams.

RG

"I don't know how [the Indians] lose.  I really don't."  -  John Smiley
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins Sweep Tigers  Final game  9/2/92
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:41:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20092
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network



    Twins ............ 4 ;  Tigers ............ 2

The Twins completed a Tiger-Stadium sweep of the Tigers by beating
them 4-2 in their final clash of this season. Twins took the
12 game season series with the Tigers 9-3.

All the 3 games in this series were tightly contested and again the
Twins' bullpen came through in crucial stages. Agiluera picked up 
his 36th save and Erickson got his 9th win.

In al the 3 games the Twins have come from behind to win. Now they
go into J-town to play a tough 3-game series against Toronto.
I only hope that this sweep is not neutralised by the Jays.

S.H
Forever Twins
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: AL Cy Young update
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:52:36 GMT


How did the action go this weekend?  Morris won a 4-2 decision
yesterday, raising his record to a league leading 16-5.  Strange as it
may seem, Morris is the only Blue Jays starter currently pitching
well right now.

He didn't lead the league for long, though.  McDowell pitched a
complete game for a 3-1 victory, raising his record to 17-7.

Brown also was going for his 17th win, but was relieved before the
Rangers exploded in the eighth inning (off *my* reliever! :-( ).  So
he holds at 16-8.

Clemens had a chance to catch him, but pitched poorly, allowing six
earned runs in about six innings.  His ERA jumped from 2.10 to about
2.39, giving Appier the league lead.  His record fell to 15-8.

Eckersley has made a few more appearances and didn't blow any games.

So what does each one have going for him in the race?
		Strength		Weakness
Morris:		division leader		miserable ERA
McDowell:	durable, no weakness	none
Brown:		see McDowell
Clemens:	great ERA, good wins	Sox in the cellar
Eckersley:	perfection incarnate	not a starting pitcher

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:57:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.192834.18212@linus.mitre.org>, sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)        writes...
> 
>Bubba Smith
>Dick Butkus

Yeah, Smith and Butkus were in the TV series version of the movie "Blue 
Thunder". It also starred (well, maybe starred is a bit strong since the series
sucked) James Farentino and, I think, Dana Carvey prior to his Garth SNL days.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Subject: Re: Neon Deion Injured?
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:50:13 GMT

>> frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (frisbee) writes:

>> I heard Deion Sanders was injured badly last night. What happened?
>> Is he out for the season?


> kwh@stiatl.salestech.com (Kurt Hoyt) writes:

>He played in last night's doubleheader. Don't panic.

It just LOOKED really bad. He swung and then collapsed, much like Barry Bonds
and several others this year. What's with all these rib-cage pulls all of a
sudden?


 _____________________________________________________________________________
     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

 Mr. Neutron: This is a nice area.
 Mr. Entrail: It's like a bloody graveyard. I hate it.
 Mr. Neutron: It's handy for the shops and convenient for the West End.
 Mr. Entrail: If you like going to the West End. I think it's a stinking dump.
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From: geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona )
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:55:37 GMT

In article <1SEP92.20311267@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>I had thought that Randy Johnson was the ugliest active player
>in baseball, but I saw the Braves/Mets game the other night, and
>I have to say that Otis Nixon just might edge Randy out of the

Don't forget Derek Bell of the Jays!  Definitely fugly; looks like Cliff
Johnson's younger brother.  Robin Yount is no beauty either.

But hey, they can all play baseball better than I.

-- 
----------
Geoff Vona
"I still believe that Italy is located between Australia and New Zealand, and
that my morning milk comes from cats."
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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.001421.873@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.214710.29968@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>>
>>Heard that rumor is that the Mets will get Ryan Thompson as the PTBNL.
>
>
>Personally I prefer Sprague.  A stronger history, more experience, and
>a harder defensive position.  But Jeff Kent is the best of the three.
>(And Derek Bell, also rumored to be the PTBNL, is better than any of

According to Pat Gillick the PTBNL is not a player on the Jays 25 man roster,
since this is not allowed by MLB rules.  There are, however, ways around this.
The PTBNL could be any minor leaguer who then gets traded back to Toronto
for the real player that the Mets wanted.

The two rumours I've heard are Sprague and Thompson.  Thompson would be my
bet, as the Mets seriously need someone who can play CF with any kind of
ability.  Sprague has had a few run-ins with the local media, after his
wife beat out Canadian Sylvie Frechette to win the gold in synchronised 
swimming. Yes, I'm serious.  He may have asked to be moved.

As for Kent, I like the guy, but he was stuck behind Alomar here in Toronto.
Being a 2nd baseman in the Toronto minor league system is not a good thing
these days.  Kent certainly brought a good eye with some power to the plate.
I think he'll be in the 2nd echelon of 2B in the NL, behind guys like DeShields
and ... :-)


I think that Jays will not be able to re-sign Cone.  The Jays have a 3-year max
policy on all players.  If Cone really wants a 5 year deal, he won't be back.
I hope that Gillick realises that Cone is now one of the top 10 pitchers in
the AL, and he along with Guzman would solidify a staff for many years.  As
for the $$$, the Jays have a huge attendance record, their merchandise is 
amongst the most popular in Canada, they have a great TV contract in Canada
with 2 networks, (TSN and Baton Broadcasting).  I hope that they can afford
the $$$ to re-sign Cone...even if it means letting Gruber go in the expansion
draft.  The Jays have lots of candidates for 3B waiting in the minors...

Anand Sinha
Blue Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
Roberto Alomar for MVP
From: wapitten@remus.rutgers.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Change-Up
Summary: You're just about right.
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:28:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



	The change-up is usually held deeper in a pitchers hand and
can also be held with more fingers on the ball.  This allows the
pitcher to throw the ball with the same motion that he throws his
fastball.  This obviously causes the batter to think that he is
getting a fastball, but the pitcher is much slower, throwing the
batter's timing off.  Some change-ups can be thrown to allow it to
"drop off" just before it reaches the plate, but that depends on the
pitchers grip.  But basically it is held deeper in the hand and
usually the pitcher holds it with more fingers on the ball.  It is
used to throw off a batter's timing so the fastball does not become
too hitable.

-Bill P.
wapitten@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: smith@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: little league world series
Summary: Any ideas about why Asian teams win often, but U.S. players do well in Japan
Keywords: little league
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The Phillipines won the little league world series (a true world series).
Does anyone have any ideas about why Asians often
do well at the little league level, but that
players can go to Japan and be stars.
Any comments or misconceptions welcome.
From: wapitten@remus.rutgers.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Just a thought...
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:12:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: remus.Sep.4.17.12.51.1992.2511
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I have a question for everyone.  This question has been asked
in many different forms for many years, but I am interested in what us
fans think, not the "experts".   Ok here is it:
	If you were a manager or GM and you only had these two
choices, no if, ands, or buts, or conditions, but just the choice of
having a team that had excellent pitching and terrible hitting, or
terrible pitching and excellent hitting.  When I say excellent, I
mean, as a team their stats and performance are in at least the top 3
in the league and terrible would bew just the opposite, the bottom 3
in the league.  There is no mixture and no changes.  It would be like
having either a team from 1968 or a team from say..1930...meaning
either all pitching, no hitting, or all hitting and no pitching.
	I would be interested in hearing what every one thinks.  What
is just "kind of" the tip of the iceberg, would be that thought that
if you had a pitching team that you would not let up many runs, but
you wouldn't score much either and similar with hitting meaning that
you would score a lot but give up a lot too.  Maybe it would be asking
you: what do you think is more important to a winning team...pitching
or hitting?

I'm looking forward to your responces,

-Bill P.
wapitten@gandalf.rutgers.edu
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From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: More on the possible sale of the Giants
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:07:46 GMT

I just heard on the radio that George Shinn, the owner of
the Charlotte Hornets who has been haralded as the white
knight who'll keep the Giants in SF, is in no financial position
to purchase the team.  Apparently his endebted to another
professional sports league and is heavily leveraged on his
Hornets ownership, thus he may not be able to come up with
his part of the cash for the Giants bid, some $30+ million.

-- 
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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Stan Fafoofnik)
Subject: Re: What is slugging percentage?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.111800.801@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep3.060219.29413@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
|> > To calculate slugging pct:
|> > 
|> >     (1*singles+2*doubles+3*triples+4*HRs)*/# of AB
|> > 
|> >      The more extra-base hits, the higher the SLG.
|>
|> 	Don't sacrifice flies count in here as 0-base hits?

You are right, but the laws of mathematics (or SABRmetrics for that matter)
state that that gets cancelled out of the equation:

(0*sacrifices+0*HBP+0*GITP+0*catcher's interference+1*singles+2*doubles
+3*triples+4*HRs)

is the actual equation, but it's taken years of analysis by guys like Dr. Dave
to reduce this equation to a useable form.

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From: wapitten@romulus.rutgers.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Padres & Pirates Stats
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:27:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Does anyone know the box score stats for Jeff King, Lloyd McClendond,
and Randy Myers for this past friday's game?  This late box score
seemed to miss a lot of papers.

Thanks,
Bill P.
wapitten@remus.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Baseball and Billions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:47:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.152629.22215@informix.com> barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick) writes:
>Is it time to wrest control of the game from the owners?

It makes no more sense to have a federal sports commission overseeing
baseball than it does to have a federal film commission producing the films
we see or a federal book-publishing commission publishing the books we
read.  Baseball is entertainment, not a constitutional right, and at the
point that it ceases to be of enough entertainment value for fans to spend
the money, all the money problems will go away.  The only federal
intervention I'm in favor of is Congress acting to remove the silly
anti-trust exemption that baseball got from the courts.

If you're not happy with baseball, don't pay for it.  If people don't pay
for it, it will change.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com








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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Andres through August (Eat my dust, Ken Hill)
Organization: NSSL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:35:07 GMT

I must admit I was a little surprised that none of the teams
involved in pennant races picked up Andres Galarraga before the
deadline to get players eligible for post-season play.  It's
not often you get a chance to pick up a slick-fielding, veteran
first baseman who hits worse than your average shortstop.:-)
Be that as it may, the Andres watch stumbles forward into 
September!

On the last night of August, Andres had one of his best games
of the season, going 3 for 4 with a 2B and an HR.  As a result,
for the first time since he went on the disabled list the 
second day of the season, Andres is now ahead of Ken Hill in
BA, SLG, and OBA at the same time!  My Pal Dal must be beaming
this morning.

Some Galarraga Gems that those of you whose teams are, alas, 
not within striking distance of the playoffs may wish to watch
this September in order to have some purpose in life:

1)  Assuming he continues his current pace of PA/game and days
    off, Andres needs to hit .472 the rest of the year to reach
    the .300 mark, .284 to reach .250.

2)  In order to reach the Average Non-Galarraga STatisical (ANGST)
    levels for NL 1st basemen from 1991, Andres needs to have a
    BA/SLG/OBA of .393/.602/.431 for the rest of the year.  
    While Amit "I Hope It's A Warm Autumn In Pittsburgh" Likhyani
    has taught all of us a lesson about making flashy predictions,
    I don't think it's going too far out on a limb to say that 
    Andres might have trouble pulling it off.

3)  Andres still has a shot at getting more HBP than BB.

Harold  
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 31 August)  .238 BA  .375 SLG  .276 OBA
28 H from .300  6 H from .250  8 HBP  9 BB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tim Belcher's Removal
From: buchhosd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Scott D Buchholz)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:15:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Keywords: Belcher, Rob, Dibble, Yikes! 

In article <31AUG199216400706@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>I'm not a Reds fan, but I'm really curious as to why Lou Piniella pulled
>Tim Belcher out of last night's Reds-Mets game.  Belcher had retired
>something like 22 straight Mets, and yet Rob Dibble came out to pitch
>the ninth.  The fact that Dibble gave up a three-run homer to Bobby Bo
>to cost the Reds the game makes this question that much more interesting...
>
>I presume that one of these three things occurred:
>1) Belcher told Piniella he had nothing left
>2) Belcher was hurt in some way
>3) Piniella suffered some kind of brain spasm
>
According to the paper this morning, Piniella felt Belcher had gone long
enough (I believe he'd thrown 128 pitches and never goes more than 130).
After the game, Belcher wasn't complaining, but Lou and Dibble both did
a fair amount of damage to the locker room.  Certainly seems that this
weekend clinched the division for Atlanta, unless the Reds get their act
together real quick, which is highly unlikely.

-- 

                                         Scott Buchholz
                                         University of Cincinnati
                                         Computer Science
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: re : A Question (DOUBLE SWITCHES explanation)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:10:15 GMT

In <92247.153622ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.205151.28256@infonode.ingr.com>, campbell@mikec.ingr.com
>(Mike Campbell) says:
>>
>>Question: What happens in this situation?
>>
>>Situation:
>>        2 out in the 7th inning
>>        Runner on 1st base
>>        Pitcher due up next at the plate
>>The manager, needing to get the run home from first, elects to pinch-hit
>>for his pitcher. The manager sends up a pinch-hitter who proceeds to get
>>a 2 and 2 count on him. Now the fun starts. The runner on first gets
>>picked off, thus ending the inning.  What happens now?

[ questions deleted]

>     Unless the manager wants his slugger to take the mound (possible but
>doubtful) he needs to put a real pitcher in place of the pinch hitter, who
>can no longer play in the game.  He doesn't get an at-bat or a plate
>appearance, but he has played in the game and been removed, so can't come
>back.  Next inning the manager has the option of leaving his new pitcher
>in to bat or putting in a different pinch hitter...

  Or what would likely happen is my favorite move, the double (or even triple!)
switch. Let's say the manager wanted to leave the pinch hitter in the game he
could leave that hitter in the pitchers spot (and have hum lead off next
inning) and have that play er play a position in the field. The fielder that
is replaced (ie the player previously playing the pinch hitters position)
would then have to be removed from the game and be replaced by the pitcher.
Take the following fictious lineup :

Niguma    		2B 
Nelson Lu 		CF 
Valentine  		C 
Lance Smith             3B 
Sherri Nichols    	SS
David Tate		1B
Steve Stein		LF
David Grabiner		RF
Gary Huckabay		 P

If we bring in Dave Till to hit for Huckabay and Steve Steing gets picked off
(he was calculating Huckabay's game score and not paying attention to the
pitcher) and we need Till's bat in the game, we can bring in Roger Maynard to
pitch and then make the following lineup by substituting Huckabay with Till
(P for RF) and substituting Grabiner with Maynard (RF for P) :

Niguma			2B 
Nelson Lu		CF
Valentine		C
Lance Smith		3B
Sherri Nichols		SS
David Tate   		1B
Steve Stein		LF
Roger Maynard		 P
David Till		RF

This way we can have Till lead off next inning and not have our pitcher hit
until the latest possible time (and thus use less pitchers and less pinch
hitters).

  I wonder if Cito Gaston knows what I just did.....

					Gord Niguma
					(Fav player: John Olerud)


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:59:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161858.25284@epas.toronto.edu> binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley) writes:
>
>I assume that should be "It's NOW official", cuz it is.  My guess is
>the player to be named is Sprague, and he'll go as soon as the Jays
>make arrangements for another backup catcher.  He has started the last
>two games (one at first and one catching).
>
>Things look a lot better for the Jays than they did this time
>yesterday.
>
>Where is Cone in his contract?  Must be in his last year: that's the
>only kind of pitcher the Jays ever trade for ;-)

Cone is a free agent.

I don't think it's a particular good deal if the Jays can't sign Cone.  From
the Mets standpoint, they get two good third basemen, so I suppose this means
they won't sign Magadan.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: brian@el_padre.mitre.org (Brian Toothman)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays - Cut in half
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:42:51 GMT

In article <24548@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mckinney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Patrick Mckinney) writes:
|> shorts, (I fear flames)  the following opinion is added...
|> 
|> 
|> WE, THE FANS OF THE ORIOLES OF BALTIMORE, ARE WATCHING WHAT IS BEING
|> KNOWN AS THE ANNUAL MIGRATION SOUTH OF THE BLUE JAYS. THEY ARE
|> ABOUT TO LOSE POSSESSION OF FIRST PLACE; WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE NOW CALLING
|> THE "CANADIAN CHOKE"....
|> 
|> 
|> insert flames here......
If I may: Don't count your chickens before they are hatched because I have seen
the Orioles struggle as much as the Blue Jays.  Anyways it took a long win streak
for the Orioles just to catch up 2 games and I don't think that they can keep it
up the rest of the season.
|> 
|> 
|> ****************************************************************************
|> Go Baltimore
|> 
|> Patrick McKinney
|> ****************************************************************************

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1990 World Champions -- The Cincinnati Reds