HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff)
Subject: Convo with cool friend.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:07:40 GMT

I think I'm lucky to have (At the highschool level) friends who are okay
about my bisexuality.. However talking on the phone with a friend of mine
yesterday, the conversation took an unexpected turn.. Here's the way
I remember it:

--
(Topic comes up:  Prompted by purity test, he has masterbated while
fantasising about being female.)

Me: So, if you could be a female for awhile, how long would you choose?
Say that you could only change once, and that you had to choose the length
of time right now.
 
Him:  Hmm.. I dunno.. I don't want to say more than ten years, but not less
than five.  I guess five.. What about you?
 
Me: I dunno.. Probably ten years or something... Hmm -- If you took a male
lover while you were a female, what would that make you, since you were
born a male?
 
Him:  I dunno.. <pause>
 
Me:  Or maybe it's better to ask which gender of lover you think you'd take..
Of course, I guess they could have been born the other sex too.. <giggle>
 
Him:  I'm really not sure... I think I'd have to try both of them...
 
---
 
I'm not sure how serious my friend was about trying both sexes, or if that
just went with the idea of his own gender being sortof 'fluid,' or what..
 
This sort of conversation where people seem to be admitting that gender or
sexuality isn't a matter of just two choices is the sort of thing that can
make my whole day (or week) -- I feel like people are setting themselves free
of the 'old rules,' or that I can at least find people who do so...
 
Well thanks for listening, I'm done babbling now.
 
(Email replies to this address or bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu -- I have them
all forwarded there, so it's probably better.  Or post them, I read here.)
--
(Imitation .SIG follows -- I can't get them to work here!)
                                                 ____
 Jeff Epler                                      \bi/    Lincoln, Nebraska
 jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu                             \/     IRCnick Synger
 bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu (Preferred)



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:24:33 EDT
Keywords: hello...

dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:

> Hello.....
> 
Hi.

> Dawn
> 
> *******************************************************

Mm.  Me too.  Great, isn't it?

Hugs,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Socrates bi?
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:45:21 GMT

I'd say Socrates was not REALLY bi, but a married gay man.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Communes/organizations
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:31:43 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <Bvnvz9.22v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, eascher@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erez Ascher) writes:
> I have never posted to this group before and so I suppose I should
> make an introduction.  Hi everyone and e-hugs to all. 

 Hi! Welcome to soc.bi!

 **hugs, snuggles, and muffin-welcoming-type sundries**

-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Being Bi in Melbourne: the aftermath
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:08:07 GMT

In <1a1f70INNidb@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu
(Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>(had a drink-date with a person today ... rather interesting.  We basically
>discussed the possible extrapolation of BDSM power dynamics to other
>situations and relationships ... quite a lot of fun to be had spending time
>with some mundanes (or as mundane as one can be and still be gay) (stop it!!
>I wasn't referring to that! You people are sick!).
>
>I'm still not sure if parents Top or Bottom their children ....

I think Dan Quayle said it all...

<> Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.
<> ---Vice President Dan Quayle

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:35:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BP.92Sep27223830@hobbes.cs.brown.edu> bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec) writes:
+ 
+The unexamined life is not worth living.
+Plato, Apology, 38a

Even futher refined, "the unexamined life is not worth living for
man". Plato was anthropocentric.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Yay!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:14:40 GMT

In article <iw.718404710@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>
>
>>I love kissing...*smile*.  Mouths vary by individuals; I haven't noticed
>>any gender-related differences.  However, the bodies *are* usually
>
>Well I actually do find the stubble/ no stubble thing an important
>gender difference in kissing.  I love stubble, but hate beards.  I love
>the soft downy hair that most women have around their mouths.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>But I definitely find the two experiences different.


Yippee!!  I was wondering if I was alone in this--I find a huge
difference between a clean-shaven man and a downy-faced woman.
But then, I've always been tactful.  Erm, tactile.

Piglet

P.S.  Since so many people have asked _so_ nicely (ta--and Hi! Roy),
followup RealSoonNow on my past weekend.  *beam*
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:40:22 GMT
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.

In article <1992Sep22.014801.9780@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>   I suggest you find a nice, safe, heterosexual space (like, jump into
>#hotsex on IRC for a few minutes) and ask "Why are you straight?"
>Almost without fail, the most common answer is "because I am."  No
>questioning, no argument.  Most heterosexuals have not done any soul-
>searching as to their heterosexuality, and, after all, why should they?
>Doing so only threatens their safe little corner.

Err, excuse me Elf.. but if you were to ask me why I'm queer, probably the
best answer you'd get from me is "because I am".  See, I can't rationalise
my sexuality into an argument for you to mull over - it just is.  And I am
happy with it.  I mean, what would you want me to say?  "I'm queer because
I like women better than men"?  That would only provoke the question "Why
do you prefer women to men?".  And the answer would be "because I do.".  My
sexuality is a constantly changing thing.  Sometimes I like men; more often
I like women.  When my preferences change, I don't question it, I accept
it.  Perhaps this is what you meant?  Why do I accept it?  Why shouldn't I?
It's a part of me that doesn't need to be changed - doesn't WANT to be
changed.  These days I call myself a dyke, and quite happily.  Perhaps one
day I'll quite happily call myself as straight as a tack - perhaps that day
will never come.  Whichever I choose to identify with.. I am happy with.
It is only when I am unhappy with it that I will even think to question it.
And so far.. that's never happened.  

Sometimes I think about sexuality, and why so many people have problems
with it.  To be honest, I simply don't know - my own preferences have been
so easy to live with.  Maybe part of that is because I accept myself so
readily.  

But I've gotten away from the point I wanted to make - why should straights
question their sexuality?  If they're happy with it, why?  You wouldn't ask
such a question of a lesbian/gay/bi person.  And really, Elf... if you DID
ask GLB* folk that question - what more would you hope to hear than
"because I am" ?  Does it really need a justification?

Later...


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Soc.bi Meet in Ottawa
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:58:43 EDT

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:

> PS: Do we qualify as a bi hotspot now?? ;)


Well, I should hope so!  Though given today's temperatures, maybe "hot" 
isn't quite the right word for Ottawa.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley])
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:17:27 GMT

q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student) writes:
> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
> >Do you folks have other suggestions? Where have you come out or found
> >other bisexuals?

> How about in the computer industry?  I don't see any preponderance of
> strictly homosexual people like you do in, say, fashion or hairdressing,
> but there seems to be a bisexual lurking behind every other CRT out here...

I suspect it's more that computer people who get out of the house tend
to be the sci-fi and/or musical crowd (they are here), so fit the other
groups. (see the groups below)

Groups to add: The Society for Creative Anachronism, Scadians tend to
be wierd, and there are large numbers of Bi people in various groups
in the USA.

Performing Arts - me, I just to the tech stuff, but again, the
atmosphere is much more accepting of difference. On campus, it's
the `out' homophobes who get a hard time.

Although, right
now there is a fight going on in the Musical Society about a 
real backlash show. If you thought Susan Faladi was wrong,
this is one classic example. The show was written in 1991-1992,
and reads like a bad 1960's musical, but with modern twists.
It's `humor' rests on slagging off at feminism/ queer pride
for the most part.

moz
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: female v. male bisexuals.
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:20:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <ZEN.92Oct5113231@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
[re. acceptance of female bi's v. acceptance of male bi's in the BDSM (and
other) community]

->  That's because it's a male fantasy... come into a room... see the two
->(or more) women, covered with sweat and lime jello, waiting for a *real*
->man to come and please them... (you see, it takes a real man to please a
->woman, just as only men know how to *really* please another man.)

Well, gee, count me out of the male community, then :)

Funny, I was just talking with my FSO (female SO) about it (my reaction
to two women together) (this was prompted by her saying that the thought of
two men doing it aroused her, which sort of just made me go '*blink*') ...
I've basically come to the conclusion that, while the thought of any two (or
more :) ) persons in bed is gee, nice and warm and I hope they have fun, at
this stage, the thought of _me_ involved in a situation that involved two
women makes me go '*squick*'.  Not something I'd want to try anytime soon
(*wide grin* not like I have a choice in the matter :) ) ... _I_,
personally, currently do believe that a woman would have an instinctively
better/easier time pleasing another woman (not that this is not a handicap
men cannot get over with with lots of practice, but practice, wrt women,
is something I have _none_ of :) ) ... I have this vague suspicion I'd just
sort of get in the way ...

On the other hand, I told her I'd love to serve her and her lover (were she
to actually get one and get over the polyamory problems that she has)
breakfast in bed ... though this is, I suppose, related to the fact that I'm
just a slave at heart :)

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport         rsr@soda.berkeley.edu          bi-bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
          I'm not gay but my boyfriend ... err, actually he's bi also.
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: State Sanctioned Suicide
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:12:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.155637.34219@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.013238.9141@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>Owen pointed out that it wasn't really very sweet or honourable to die choking
>>in a gas attack in world war ii because of a clapped-out Latin phrase.
>>                             ^^
>Ahem, shouldn't that be WWI?  (Why didn't WWII produce poets the way the
>first did, anyway????)

What do you mean?  Are you implying that Auden and Isherwood are in some
way inferior to Brooke and Service?  Now, admittedly, some of the best prose
of the century came out of the Spanish Civil war, but that's another story
altogether.
--scott
From: mnorth@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: BiNet/NGLTF mtg.-a first
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:07:13 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Sent to Soc.bi, soc.motss, bisexu-l and biact-l

For the first time, a dialogue was held between leaders of BiNet USA
and NGLTF.  A commitment to creating a joint legislative agenda
around the MOW will be the first concrete area of cooperation
between the two organizations.  This may have a tremendous impact
on traditional g/l legislative efforts that have relied on
essentialist (we were born this way/we can't help it) 
legalistic arguements. And it might not have an impact other
than to make sure that Bisexual is explicitly included in the
definition of sexual orientation.  I am curious to see what will 
happen.

Michael
mnorth@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:44:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.054022.12653@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>
     yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

>Err, excuse me Elf.. but if you were to ask me why I'm queer, probably the
>best answer you'd get from me is "because I am".

   That's all the answer I would ask of you, Yvette.  I don't want you
to come up with an answer.

>I mean, what would you want me to say?

   I want you to say "I've thought about why I am."  Even if you don't
have an answer, at least you've looked for one.

>But I've gotten away from the point I wanted to make - why should straights
>question their sexuality?  If they're happy with it, why?  You wouldn't ask
>such a question of a lesbian/gay/bi person.

   Actually, I ask the question of straight people because out gay
people get the question _all the fucking time_.  I get asked the
question, a lot.  "Why are you bi?"  Well, I have a long answer and a
short answer.  The short answer is "Why the Hell not?"

   Take care.

      Elf !!!
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:24:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Oct6.172402.2208
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <dsuchy19.718260519@ursa>, dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
> Hello.....
> 
> After reading you guys for a few weeks now I've decided to [gulp] actually
> post something.  

 Yay! A muffin! Welcome to soc.bi!

 <sfx: licks lips>

 **hugs,snuggles, and lashings of butter**

-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:05:21 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <1992Oct2.211754.24626@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>: Honestly, all the egos around here thinking I was talking about them!
>: No, you weren't one of the two I thought of, and neither was Mike, ...
>
><cough, splutter>  Mike never claimed you *were* talking about him,
>thankyou very much! 
>
Oh dear, *two* Mikes to deal with -- I was refering to the other one who
sort-of hinted here, and told me in person (before I'd seen his post) that
he thought I was talking about him.  Bleurgh -- apologies and hugs to any
offended parties....


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ottawa Soc.bi dinner on Sunday
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:35:32 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <s9mNRB4w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (/) writes:
> This is just to remind people of the dinner we have planned for Sunday, 
> Sept. 27 at the Marble Works on Waller near Rideau - at 6 p.m.  Friends 
> and spouses are welcome, too.

Well, I never made it to Ottawa again.  I will, I will, I will.  I hope.
How many people did show up?  We want a full report of all flirting and
pictures - we want photos of everybody in Ottawa. :)} - just being silly.
Really, hope everybody had a great time and I hope somebody posts something
about it.

Cheers
N.


--
"It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be
thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge"                                                                       Voltaire
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:01:14 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:

>>rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert) writes:
>>>Well, Bethan, right here in front of me I have picture no 28, which shows
>>>you, Kay, a carton of milk, and a lot of people around. Innocent? Hardly.
>>>How much do you offer for that picture?

>Well, the one I have (and I suspect Clive too), has Kay holding a packet
>of condoms above my head, with his usual innocently wicked grin... me?
>Oh, I'm just smiling innocently...

I notice it didn't figure in the photo collection you showed us on Friday
(Saturday?)... next time I shall insist!


//jon (who *still* hasn't seen Ellen's photos from Dave's party either)
   ___________________ ____ ________________________________________
  / -- Jonathan Harley \  /_   Could be an ever opening flower...  //    //  //
 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults)
Subject: The Gauntlet is Down Mister Haynes.... 
Organization: Rational
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:49:10 GMT

haynes@fivenine.apple.com (Charles Haynes) writes:

>In article <iw.716751046@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>>h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

>>Currently I go for this response: Duel of the dicks!

>>I can accessorize with a dick which is bigger, prettier, comes in colours
>>to match my outfits, and comes in number of different shapes.  Plus I get
>>to take it off and stick it in a drawer, when I might be tempted towards
>>assholeishness.

>>And we all know that I will win hands down, (dicks up) or at least
>>those of us who frequent toy stores know.

>Don't be so sure dear. Last sunday I was wearing a fabulous lavender "Jupiter
>IV" which matched my skirt and socks oh-so-well.

Why .. I feel a challenge coming on.  Name your seconds and let us chose
a date. (Damn, why did I not go toy shopping in Paris.)  Shhh... now
don`t anyone tell him I am really a femme, I am sure I could rustle
up some butch drag!

>It was pretty funny. I don't usually get to stand next to a cute dyke, put
>my hands on my hips, and say "Mine's bigger!"

But sweetie, which one was bigger, your own equipment or your optional 
extras?

And now for some innocent and naive questions.  (I hate to ruin my
carefully cultivated aura of sophistication but curiousity has got
the better of me)

Do you wear the Jupiter above or below?  
Do you hang them both to the same side, or leave one on each side?
Have you had occasion to use both simultaneously (I kind of assume you
have, seeing as you are obviously a sexual sophisticate)?  So can
you explain the mechanics, as my mind is fairly boggling!
And finally any chance of a demonstration, I am really very intrigued!

I wish I had not missed the Folsom St Fair.  London was fun up until I had
to search out a new set of crutches!  Jupiter sounds like a lot more
fun than the rubber end of an NHS crutch.

Iseult.



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: "The Golden Ass"
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:42:29 GMT

In article <6196@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:

>I circumvented my book queueing system, and immediately started
>reading it - and jolly good it is too.  
>I'm only as far as that start of "Cupid and Psyche", but it's already rude!  
>Don't let your grandma read it.  Then again,
>your grandma might enjoy it - 

It's probably not too racy for grandma, she likes dirty stories, but at a
not so sophisticated level.  The sex lives of hollywood stars is more like it.

>Colin
>
>my first reaction was to say "Well, it's published by the Oxford
>University Press".  Recognising pressmarks on books is *not* a natural
>human ability.  Do you think I should seek help?

It happens to the best of us ...
>



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What is a TOCOTOX?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 00:33:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <27760.9209270827@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> jrk@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
->I keep seeing this abbreviation here.  What does it mean?  Sounds like
->a clockwork doll, but that can't be it, can it?

I've got to thank Mike for introducing me to that one ... it comes in very
handy.

TOCOTOX : TOo COmplicated TO eXplain ...

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport    rsr@soda.berkeley.edu  anonymus+328@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"