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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Antarctica and Tron on LD
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.173620.1848@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>In article <as_cert.5.720971194@as_cert@dsc.dsc.uqam.ca> as_cert@as_cert@dsc.dsc.uqam.ca (A.E.C.C. (Yves Douville)) writes:
>>>2) I've read about a Letterbox Tron version. Was that a US or Japan
>>>   release?
>>2) the Letterbox version of Tron is a Japenese release, i have my copy at 
>>home.
>Where (and when) did you get this Japanese pressing? I wound up having
>to get the PAN&CRAM from Japan because the letterboxed copy is hard to
>find. I'd be very interested to know if you can get any more...or if you
>want to sell yours. I only got the Japanese pressing for the better
>picture and sound than the U.S. version (if you can find THAT!)
>I'd be willing to pay reasonable $$$ for it (or if anyone else wants
>to sell theirs!). Thanx.

I got my Japanese copy in May of 90 [BANDAI #LA098L 13043] - it was one
of the last available and cost $122.  Rumor is that Disney had their
Japanese distributor pull all of the letterboxed titles from distribution.
This affected TRON, MARY POPPINS, and 20,000 LEAGUES BENEATH THE SEA
that I'm aware of.  Japanese titles often are quickly sold out, but in
this case there were other factors at work.  I have never heard an
'official' explanation of what Disney's problem was.  Although it is
letterboxed, the video image leaves a lot to be desired.  I have seen
enough discs from Japan with crummy transfers that I no longer assume
Japanese pressings are superior.  They don't even have as many letterboxed
titles as we  do in the U.S. (at least the numbers are comparable but
different  titles may be letterboxed here and there).

And no, my copy is not for sale.  If you find a copy the person selling
it will probably want more than it would be worth paying :-).  We should
begin a campaign to get Disney to release its widescreen titles in letterbox.
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From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: AKIRA - CRITERION COLLECTION (NO SUBTITLES!)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:18:54 EET
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

[re Criterion AKIRA having dual soundtracks with english dubbing
and original japanese instead of subtitling]
> otto> Well, this really stinks.  If I'd want to enjoy the original
> otto> sound track, I'll have to learn japanese.  And no CC with
> otto> Criterion, either.
> 
> Why does no sub-titles stink?

[assuming pose of peculiar (french)man at castle walls]

Because I don't speak japanese, but I prefer hearing the original actors
who did it, instead of some americans with outrrrrrageous accents, you
son of a silly person.

> I'm glad there not there. That's why both languages were put on there.
> Listen to it in English first. Then listen to it in Japanese. Then you
> will know whats going on with out those obnoxious sub-titles all the time.

With the movie being properly letterboxed, the subtitles would nicely fit
below the picture area.

Look, if I wanted americans speaking the lines, I'd have bought the
all-dubbed version.  I prefer understanding what's happening on the film
on first viewing without having to suffer the agony of dubbing or guessing
on subsequent viewings was my memory about the happenings correct.

Secondly, many of my friends aren't too good at picking up spoken english,
but subtitles would not pose a problem for them.  And Criterion didn't even
do CC for this, with the new european versions of CC devices coming up...

> If I wanted to read, I'd pick up a book.

No.  Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

PS. Does anyone have a release date for Criterion's MP & THE HOLY GRAIL?

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From: u0f98@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
Subject: Die Hard 2 Uncut version
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:24:07 WET
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Subject: Re: Batman's 12 cert, and T2's 15 cert (was Re: Batman Certificate question
From article <BxI2MI.8r1@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, by grant@wyvis (Grant M. Friel):
> This is only vaguely relevant to the current thread, but anyway.
> It may be of interest to know that the widescreen edition of 
> Die Hard II has had the cuts which were made to the cinema and (normal)
> video release reinstated, thus the 18 certificate. (Well, according to
> December's EMPIRE mag.) 
> 
> 
> Grant.

When I wrote to FoxVideo they told me only 2 cuts were made to the film
to get a 15-cert and told me they were :

1: Bruce stabbing a man in the eye with an ice-pick
This does occur in this cut version, but the uncut version gives a
slightly longer, and more gory version. 

2. A man getting shot in the foot
I couldn't see this anywhere and thought they were referring to
Goodfellas when Joe Pesci shoots the bartender in the foot.

Anyway,I counted 41 cuts comparing it with the 15 cert version and told
them so but they didn't seem too bothered about it.
I could list all 41 cuts here but it's mainly F-words and bits of
violence. 
I'd like a list of what the BBFC allow for each certificate in terms of
how many F-words, how much violence etc.
	Dom
From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Antarctica and Tron on LD
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:36:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <as_cert.5.720971194@as_cert@dsc.dsc.uqam.ca> as_cert@as_cert@dsc.dsc.uqam.ca (A.E.C.C. (Yves Douville)) writes:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>I've two questions:
>
>>2) I've read about a Letterbox Tron version. Was that a US or Japan
>>   release?
>
>
>>Peter
>
>2) the Letterbox version of Tron is a Japenese release, i have my copy at 
>home.

Where (and when) did you get this Japanese pressing? I wound up having
to get the PAN&CRAM from Japan because the letterboxed copy is hard to
find. I'd be very interested to know if you can get any more...or if you
want to sell yours. I only got the Japanese pressing for the better
picture and sound than the U.S. version (if you can find THAT!)
I'd be willing to pay reasonable $$$ for it (or if anyone else wants
to sell theirs!). Thanx.

=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
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= WHAT is your quest?.............................I seek the Holy Grail=
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From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA-- RCA/Columbia version on laserdisc
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:29:52 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
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chung jason ho yong (jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

> It's letterboxed, but is this the restored version that was released a couple
> years back?  How does the picture compare to the CLV Criterion version of the
> movie?

The RCA is made from the same video master.  It is identical to the CC-CLV
except the RCA has no chapter stops, no supplements and is probably not a
3M casting (the CC is 3M).   I bought the CC.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
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From: john.fix@hardgood.com (John Fix) 
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: BEAUTY AND THE BEAST ON L
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Hardgoods East BBS - Eastchester, NY (914) 961-8749
Reply-To: john.fix@hardgood.com (John Fix) 

TO: rob@cs.itc.hp.com



Rob,

Disney is holding the LD version of Beauty & Beast until next September
(according to trade papers).  There will be a LD "work in progress"
version released in late November, with pencil sketches in place of much
of the final full color animation.  It's probably a copy of the "work in
progress" film they showed a few years back at the NY Film Festival.
Strictly for animation buffs, as it doesn't contain the complete film.

                                  -= John =-
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Some LD's Not Avail. In Canada?
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:15:09 GMT
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Mike Quigley (Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:

> Recently either this group or rec.video, Bob Niland posted a message about
> certain laser disks which weren't available in Canada (specifically, those
> sold thru the Columbia Laser Disk outfit). Can we have a list of these?

CHLDC doesn't sell anything in Canada, as far as I know.  The list I
mentioned was from Pioneer's Laser Disc Fan Club (LDFC).  I don't have a
current catalog, and wouldn't be inclined to type in hundreds of titles in
any case.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

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From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: color/transfer of LBX Dark Crystal LD
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:11:51 GMT
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In <1992Nov5.222553.6614@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin) writes:


>Just watched a rental Dark Crystal LBX LD, it seems to me that
>the color and the picture transfer are not very satisfactory.
>The film looks washed out, color has faded. Or was it shot this way?


It's supposed to look that way.  In chapter 31 of the documentary
disk, Jim Henson states that Oswald Morris, Directory of Photography,
chose to shoot the entire movie through a "light-flex, which was a unit
that sits on front of the camera and gives a faint color tint to
each scene... It was Ozzie's feeling that he was trying to create
a sense of magic, a sense of fairytale.  By giving it that sort of
overall color wash, he felt it would look more like Brian's original
paintings."

Brain Froud was the Conceptual Designer, and indeed, his paintings
utilize only pale colors and earthtones.  The light-flex basically
looks like a blue filter to me, which would wash out the color.
The end result is that the movie does look remarkably similar to
Brian's paintings.

Curt
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 11:00:10 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: WAR movies-- what are the best?
 <BxHH6y.H44@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Nobody mentioned these two, and they're some of my favorites, so:

The Longest Day
Sink the Bismarck!

Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
Data Communications Technician           William Rainey Harper College
Information Systems department         1200 W Algonquin Rd Palatine IL
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From: hamid@rs.com (Hamid R. Moazed)
Subject: Re: AKIRA LaserDisc????
Reply-To: hamid@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:00:20 GMT

In article 18427@SSD.intel.com, davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.223722.6867@rs.com> hamid@rs.com writes:
>>Well, never mind! I already visited Tower, where they had CAV 124 minute
>>original aspect ratio version with Dolby stereo on sale for $115. I'm poor so
>>I bought a SuperVHS T160, and am looking for a copy to rent. There are three
>>or four laser rentals in this area, so it shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>>---
>>       Hamid R. Moazed | "The drill bit lodged in my skull
>>       Project Manager |    causes me no small amount of pain,
>>  Renaissance Software |  but as I recall life without it
>>         Los Altos, CA |    was really much the same..."
>>   email: hamid@rs.com |                        -KILLDOZER
>
>Try this on for size: "I'd like a copy of whatever it is that
>Renaissance Software sells.  I'm poor so I bought a box of blank floppy
>disks, and am looking for a copy to duplicate.  There are three or four
>software pirates in this area, so it shouldn't be a problem."
>
>Jeez.
>
>- David D. Levine == davidl@ssd.intel.com
>  "The Stupid family had breakfast in the shower, as usual."

Just to set the record straight, I don't advocate software piracy,
I don't own *any* video software since I like to see movies only once
or twice, I've purchased *all* the games I own on my Amiga, not a
single one has been copied. My reference to the T160 tape was in case
I wanted to watch it a couple of times after I've returned the rental.

The $100+ priced discs are ridiculous, if it was $50 or $60 I'd
probably buy it (as the first LaseDisc that I'd own).

Now, if you still want a copy of our software, I can give you our
sales' phone number. Just let me warn you that some of our products
cost $millions.

-hamid


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From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm)
Subject: Re: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA-- RCA/Columbia version on laserdisc
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:31:52 GMT

rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:

>The RCA is made from the same video master.  It is identical to the CC-CLV
>except the RCA has no chapter stops, no supplements and is probably not a
>3M casting (the CC is 3M).   I bought the CC.

Does the CC CLV version of Lawrence of Arabia have supplimental material?
(I have decided not to get the CAV version, 8 sides is a bit of a pain
when watching a movie)

Daz.

--
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 "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish, sometimes."
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From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Die Hard 2 Uncut version
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:09:32 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
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u0f98@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator) writes:
> Subject: Re: Batman's 12 cert, and T2's 15 cert (was Re: Batman Certificate question
> 
> When I wrote to FoxVideo they told me only 2 cuts were made to the film
> to get a 15-cert and told me they were :
> 
> 1: Bruce stabbing a man in the eye with an ice-pick
> This does occur in this cut version, but the uncut version gives a
> slightly longer, and more gory version. 
> 
> 2. A man getting shot in the foot
> I couldn't see this anywhere and thought they were referring to
> Goodfellas when Joe Pesci shoots the bartender in the foot.
> 
> Anyway,I counted 41 cuts comparing it with the 15 cert version and told
> them so but they didn't seem too bothered about it.
> I could list all 41 cuts here but it's mainly F-words and bits of
> violence. 
> I'd like a list of what the BBFC allow for each certificate in terms of
> how many F-words, how much violence etc.
> 	Dom

Dom, what do you reckon the 41 cuts amount to in running time? I've
compared the time on the 15 version box (which I bought), to the time
stated on the 18 version, and they are the same. Other than to get
widescreen, is it worth buying the 18 version?

Thanks,

Dave
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From: parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: AKIRA LaserDisc????
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:43:36 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Nov7.002531.18427@SSD.intel.com>, davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.223722.6867@rs.com> hamid@rs.com writes:
>>Well, never mind! I already visited Tower, where they had CAV 124 minute
>>original aspect ratio version with Dolby stereo on sale for $115. I'm poor so
>>I bought a SuperVHS T160, and am looking for a copy to rent. There are three
>>or four laser rentals in this area, so it shouldn't be a problem.
>>       Hamid R. Moazed | "The drill bit lodged in my skull
>>       Project Manager |    causes me no small amount of pain,
> 
> Try this on for size: "I'd like a copy of whatever it is that
> Renaissance Software sells.  I'm poor so I bought a box of blank floppy
> disks, and am looking for a copy to duplicate.  There are three or four
> software pirates in this area, so it shouldn't be a problem."
> - David D. Levine == davidl@ssd.intel.com

  Hmm, Hamid has both a LaserDisk player and a SuperVHS VCR? You don't
seem that poor. I have neither and I bought the Akira LD. I have to
use friends LD players to watch it, but it's worth it. 
  Also, Mamid why did you have to post such a statment? Are you proud 
of such piracy?

  So, Hamid how large is your SuperVHS tape collection?

Mata Ne,
Geoffrey

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From: u0f98@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
Subject: Batman's 12 cert, and T2's 15 cert (was Re: Batman Certificate question
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:24:59 WET
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From vn Fri Nov  6 12:23:19 1992
Subject: Re: Batman certificate question
>>Can anybody tell me the first film to be given a certificate 12 in the
>>UK. The hype machine will tell you it was Tim Burton's Batman released
>>in August 1989, but I have also read that the first film was Madame
>>Souzatzka released in March 1989. I would like to hear people's views on
>>this one, and maybe I can get the answer.
> 
> I always thought the certificate was introduced specifically for
> _Batman_.  I suppose that it is possible that they "tested" it on
> another film(s) beforehand, though.
> 
That's what the hype machine would have us believe.

> I never noticed this.  Are you sure that there aren't vids with `12'
> certificates?  I'll have to look  noxt time I'm in a video shop.
You'll be wasting your time. '12' videos don't exist. I don't mind '12'
videos being released as a 15. I object to '12' films becoming PG's,
"Memphis Belle" being a case in point, as in the bit :
"SNAFU - Situation Normal..." cutting out the bit where they all shout
"All Fucked Up". Hot Shots was 12 at the cinema but a PG on video. I
don't know what was cut though because I only saw the video but they
must have cut out all the decent bits because it was crap.

> 
> BTW, _Terminator 2_ was cut for its video release over here, so that
> it could get a 15 certificate.  Feh!
> 
And cut at the cinema too. The uncut version is released exclusively on
laserdisc. Oh fab! So I've got to spend 300-400 quid plus the LD if I
want to see it. I didn't even like it anyway.

	Dominator
From: johnz@informix.com (John Zucchero)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Q-Sound
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:56:41 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

What is Q-Sound? It is listed on the back of "Robin Hood:Prince of Thieves"
laserdisc, along with Dolby, CX, etc..

--John 
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From: pdg@cup.hp.com
 (Paul Gootherts)
Subject: Re: Looney Tunes on laserdisc question
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:34:37 GMT
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Where would I find "Beanstalk Bunny"?

--

Paul Gootherts, pdg@cup.hp.com
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From: elefante@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (GUEST Luigi Elefante)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: International mail-order ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:25:18 GMT

In article <56871@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, elefante@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (GUEST Massimo Barontini) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.105011.25592@ugle.unit.no>, dennis@Lise.Unit.NO (Dennis G Landsem) writes:
> >  Are any of the mail-order firms referred to in this newsgroup willing to take
> > international orders ?...
> 
> Hello,
> I am living in Italy and I used to buy from:

 Starship Audio-Industries
 605 Utterback Store Road
 Great Falls VA 22066
 (703) 450-5780 / 430-8692
 FAX (703) 430-6657

 Tewksbury Audio & Video 
 PO Box 318
 Oldwick, NJ 08858
 (908) 832-9064
 FAX (908)-832-6363

 Laser Video West
 11701 Wilshire Boulevard
 Los Angeles, CA 90025

 They also accept international order:
 -Voyager Company (Criterion Collection)
 -U.S. Video Source
 -Laser Island
 -J&R Frogg
 -Barr Digital
 (see the useful Bob Niland's articles for the addresses)
 
 All this mail order shops normally accept VISA credit card, but 
 I think it's better write to obtain information and catalogues.
                                                                                                                     
                                                                    
===========================================================================
                                                      
                                                      
In this list I've  forgotten that I also buy from:
                                                      
Laser Craze
33 West Street
Boston, MA 02111
                                                      
                                                      

                                                      
Best Regards,
                                                      
Massimo Barontini
                                                      
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