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From: oakes@rstg.mot.com (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Reply-To: oakes@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:25:49 GMT

{Sorry if this is a re-post, but I think my first one is lost in the ether
someplace}

{I know this have nothing to do with music, but it is based on discussions
here, so . . .}

I would like some definitions for some of the terms that are used to
describe different styles of belief in the Christian church.  I will include
my understanding of these.  I would also appreciate some examples of "well
known" churches (national organization) that fall under these styles:

Fundamentalist:

-- Goes back to the theory that "the Bible is the unerring word of God, and
must be believed and followed completely."


Reform:

-- Calvinistic religions where the Bible is interpreted each individual.
The Presbyterian Church and the various Reform Churches are Reform.  {I
understand this better than the other since I have worshiped n
Presbyterian churches all of my life}

Charismatic:

-- I know that charisma is related to a person's ability to be believed or
followed.


Evangelical:

-- I know that the verb "to evangelize" has a similar meaning to the verb
"to preach."


---

As an obligatory music question, where do most of the Christian Music
listeners fall in the above.

Also, did I leave off any similar categories?

Thank You
  Ronald B. Oakes


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.155229.9717@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>
>These days, I am far more concerned about what many so-called musicians
>are saying FRONTWARDS to worry about what they are saying backwards.
>

I second that emotion.
From: carmen@uts.amdahl.com (Carmen William Kelling)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Daniel Amos
Keywords: Horrendous Disk
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:05:40 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  Does anyone out there have the old Daniel Amos "Horrendous Disk" tape,
CD (Not sure if it's even on C.D.) or vinyl pizza?  I have been looking 
in stores, used record stores and swap meets for two years now, and can't 
come up with it.  It's out of print as listed in catalogues by any of the 
old DA labels: DA, Alarma Records, etc.  If anyone has it and is willing 
to part with it, I'll pay!

  Please e-mail me if you have it!  :-)

  Muito Obrigado!! (thanks, eh!)


Carmen Kelling
carmen@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com

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  "when you draw back the curtain,
      paint a picture for you,
   if the billion stars don't convince you, baby,
      He sent some letters, signed His name with love too...."
   
                 Daniel Amos -- On The Line -- Horrendous Disk 
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From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
Keywords: deserted island, tapes/cd's, batteries, etc...
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:23:46 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


Okie dokie, here are my answers:
>
>Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
>
>		Artist or Group			Album		
>1. Terry Scott Taylor - Knowledge & Innocence                           
>2. Daniel Amos - Vox Humana                           
>3. Mark Heard - Dry Bones Dance                           
>4. Steve Scott - Lost Horizon                           
>5. Tonio K. - Romeo Unchained                            
>6. Sam Phillips - The Indescribable Wow                          
>7. Sam Phillips - Cruel Inventions                          
>8. LSU - Shaded Pain                          
>9. LSU - Grape Prophet                           
>10. Ishmael - Ishmael's Antique Collection                          
>
>
>Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
>that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or groups of your choice;
>
>1. Sam Phillips			 
>2. Breakfast With Amy        		
>3. Michael Knott/LSUnderground          
>4. Terry Taylor/DA                                  
>5. Steve Scott                                  
>6. Tonio K.
>7. T Bone Burnett
>8. 77s
>9. Jeff Johnson
>10. Social Distortion

>
>Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the 
>best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had a choice, which 
>
>1. Sam Phillips         
>2. Mark Heard         
>3. Mike Knott/LSU        
>4. Terry Taylor/DA        
>5. Steve Scott         
>
>
>Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
>groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
>its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what songs 
>would you want them to play?
>
>
>1.  Sam Phillips (backed by the Desert Island Tour fantasy band:  
T Bone Burnett and Tonio K. on guitars, David Miner on bass, Alex Acuna on
drums) to play every song Sam recorded since The Turning plus "These
Boots Were Made for Walking" and Mark Heard's "House of Broken Dreams."
   
:-)

>2. Breakfast With Amy (with complete stage show with liquid light show,
go-go dancers, flaming taxidermy, educational films, and other assorted
strangeness) to play, among others, "Ralph's Garage," "Ad America," "Mr.
Ed," "This Train," "Green Tambourine," and a few songs they've never
actually sung before like "Macarthur Park," "Big Girls Don't Cry," and
the Shangri-La's "Past, Present, Future," which has to be the WORST song
ever written.     And I've always wanted to hear someone cover "Eep Op Ork
Ah-Ah" from the "Dream Date With Jet Screamer" Jetsons episode too...


:-) :-)

Michael "only TEN albums?!?!?" Toth
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: bands like REM
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:24:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug17.034630.6296@cs.tulane.edu> jlin@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Jonah Lin) writes:
>
> My sister wants to know if there is a Christian alternative to REM. She
>doesn't like a singer with a high voice. Could someone please post some
>suggestions?? Thanks.

You might have her check out the 77's.  Their singer has a vaguely similar
'caucasian whine' at times.  Also, she might try the Choir.  The strike me
as being somewhat similar lyrically (the way they say stuff, not what is said).

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk)
Subject: Space aliens eat Amy CD's for breakfast
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:56:50 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: yag@ee22.eng.umd.edu


I've been reading this newsgroup for about a year and have come to
the conclusion that most people who post are crazed Amy Grant groupies.
Its getting just a little old. Let's discuss some of the other hundreds
of christian artists that are out there. Maybe we need an Amy fandom
news group.  Before this group I was under the impression that the
only music that my other Christian friends listened to was Amy, and
now I'm almost certain that Amy is the only artist most christians have
ever heard of. Someone prove me wrong! 

In the meantime, an interesting discussion for this group might be on
the implications of idolizing a pop star.

Sorry about ruffling feathers-hope this starts some interesting
discussion.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: The Five Points of Fundamentalism
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:33:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.183625.10565@engage.pko.dec.com>, eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:
|> 
|> From _Catholicism and Fundamentalism_ by Karl Keating (San Francisco:
|> Ignatius, 1988) chapter one:
|> 
|> ....
|> (1) The inspiration and infallibility of Scripture;
|> (2) the deity of Christ, including his Virgin Birth;
|> (3) the substitutionary [vicarious] atonement of his death;
|> (4) his literal resurrection from the dead; and
|> (5) his literal return in the Second Coming.
|> ....
|> 
|> Of course, by these definitions, then any orthodox Catholic is a
|> fundamentalist, because Catholicism firmly embraces each of those five
|> points.  Naturally, though, definitions change as times go by, and this is
|> certainly true of "fundamentalism".  Unfortunately there are so many
|> different understandings of the term today, it is hard to know which one is
|> accurate. 

One thing that's missing from this list, which appears in the statements of
faith of virtually every fundamentalist organization I've ever seen, is the
belief in the "completeness" of Scripture, which goes along with the belief in
the inspiration and inerrency of the original texts.  This is why fundamental-
ists generally don't believe in modern apostles, popes, prophets, etc. who
impart new direct revelation from God, at least not among people to whom the
written Word of God is readily available.  Aside from the fact that most
Catholics I have known don't believe in all five of the points above, I think
that the biggest difference between Catholics and fundamentalists is the
bounteous amount of extra-Scriptural belief and tradition that the Catholic
Church has added to its faith.  Whereas some fundamentalists may be criticized
for the number of "Thou shalt not's" they believe in, they at least back their
beliefs with an interpretation (as literally as possible) of the words of
Scripture rather than the edicts of the Church.

I find it hard to believe that any discussion of Christian fundamentalism
could proceed this far without even mentioning Bob Jones University, in
Greenville, South Carolina, where even Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham are
regarded as liberals.  PBS recently did a three-part documentary on
fundamentalism in which they described fundamentalism in Christianity, Judaism,
and Islam.  Most of the segment on Christianity was centered around BJU.  Did
anyone else see this series?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski)
Subject: Music for use in Liturgies
Reply-To: aeg@vixen.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:42:48 GMT

Greetings, 
I have been a reading rec.music.christian for a few months, and
I would like some information on music and artists that can be 
incorporated into liturgies that are used outside of the normal
Sunday worship services (for me the Catholic Mass).  I have been
asked to prepare liturgies for reconciliation services, retreat
weekends, and sometimes just supply the music. (I sing and play the
guitar)  My 12 yr old son is familiar with Petra and Carmen, and I
believe that CCM rock or metal would not appeal to the audiences I
play for.  I have used John Michael Talbot and Micheal Card in the
past.  I have heard of Keith Green but have not heard too much of
his music.  Any Suggestions?  Thanks in Advance for the info.

Adam G.
aeg@vixen.cc.bellcore.com
From: gt7805b@prism.gatech.EDU (Edwin Million)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Christian Rock Groups
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:55:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Would someone be so kind as to send me a list of Christian Rock groups? The
FAQ has industrial groups, and I know of Petra, but that's about it... Maybe
this should be in the FAQ too...


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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:05:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Breakfast With Amy/LSU tour forming
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:49:09 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


Call the babysitter and gas up the car.  There's a Breakfast With Amy/
LSUnderground midwest tour in the works for this October.

All of the following are still tentative, but here's a probable tour
schedule:

Tulsa, OK / Kansas City, KS / St. Louis, MO / Chicago, IL / Hancock, MI
/ Ft. Wayne, IN / Columbus, OH / Cincinnati, OH

I will post as more specific information becomes available.  If you have
at least a marginal curiosity with these bands, make a drive.  When I
saw DA on their 1986 tour, I had no idea that it would probably be my
only chance to ever see them outside of Cornerstone or just how unusual
it really was for these kind of bands to tour.  Don't miss this chance!!!!
 
If you know someone who would seriously be interested in promoting a
concert with these two alternative bands, feel free to e-mail me at 
mtoth@headcheese.daa.uc.edu for more information.  (Don't just hit "R"
to send it to this account, but e-mail it to that other account as this
ucunix thing has been giving me problems with people getting my replies)

Michael Toth
mtoth@headcheese.daa.uc.edu
(tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: New FMG albums
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:15:15 GMT


So, we got this sampler of new Frontline Music Group songs down at the  
radio station, and what to my wondering eyes should appear but new tracks  
by Mad At The World, Brian Healy/D.A.S. and (this one really bugged my  
eyes out) SHOUT?  Is Shout back together?  Do they have a new album out?   
Oh Lord, please say it is so...

Anybody heard the new albums by any of those bands?  Reviews?

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Subject: Re: Warnke files
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:37:10 GMT

In article <jeffries.713938261@vincent1.iastate.edu> jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries) writes:
>Forget what I wrote before.  The Warnke files on wuarchive are GONE.  
>I just checked.

Now, jest hold on.  Don't git yer drawers in a bundle, ya hear!  The
file is now under pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS.  The local admin guy probably
didn't want the /pub directory to get cluttered.

John
>
>
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: places for self-promoted tour
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:53:50 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug11.163226.24122@wam.umd.edu> quiey@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Dale Karsten Dudley) writes:
>In late May/early June of next year a couple of small christian groups  
>from the east coast are planning to tour.  We are in need of churches,  
>coffee houses, and the like as destinations.  The tour is called  the  
>Unified Diversity tour and their will be a diversity of backgrounds ,races  
>and cultures, as well as musical styles( alternative, rap, r&b, and even  
>thrash possibly).
>If you have any suggestions please send them to 
>D. Dudley
>7201 Longbranch Drive 
>New Carrollton MD 20784  

What thrash bands are you planning to get? Since I do both a metal
magazine and a metal radio show (both Christian) I would be very
interested in what thrash bands you would be getting for this unusual tour
- the Christian version of "Lollapalooza"!!

Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Space aliens eat Amy CD's for breakfast)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:26:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.175650.9212@eng.umd.edu>, yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk) writes:
|> 
|> I've been reading this newsgroup for about a year and have come to
|> the conclusion that most people who post are crazed Amy Grant groupies.
|> Its getting just a little old. Let's discuss some of the other hundreds
|> of christian artists that are out there. Maybe we need an Amy fandom
|> news group.

This is the 2nd alt.fan.amy suggestion... the first one(s), "Proposal
for new newsgroup." and "Proposal for Amy Grant Newsgroup" by john
macdonald are what spurred me to ask about a needing a new newsgroup
for rec.music.christian.tangent...

Just trying to bring the discussion together... I should have followed
up to john's original post in the first place, sorry about that!

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From: alailima@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (The WILD Samoan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:41:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug17.192549.815@rtsg.mot.com> oakes@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>Charismatic:
>
>-- I know that charisma is related to a person's ability to be believed or
>followed.
The charismatic church, from what I know, takes in a lot more freedom in
worship and in particular accepts the gifts of the Spirit, the Greek root
for these gifts being "charismata". It's kind of interesting seeing the
differences between Charismatics and Pentecostals, and I usually get a
little confused between them, but trust me, they are different.

>Evangelical:
>
>-- I know that the verb "to evangelize" has a similar meaning to the verb
>"to preach."
Let's look at the Greek again, shall we? "Evangelos" literally means "good
news". So to evangelize is to spread the good news. An evangelical, or so
I am led to believe, is one who believes in the full gospel/good news/evangelos.

Any corrections, additions, comments, flames?

Grace & Peace,
Titi
The B.I.C.

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From: peaki@cs.uq.oz.au (Ian Peake)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Some hints needed about CCM tours, stores in the U.S.
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:05:50 GMT
Reply-To: peaki@cs.uq.oz.au

Hi all,

It looks like I'm going to be in the U.S. next
month, which is great for a few reasons; for one it means that
I can finally chase up some more hard-to-find DA music
that I'd really like to hear.

Would some kind folks like to tell me about the (best) places to
find CCM around the Boston and/or Palo Alto areas..?

Please email and I will summarize if appropriate,

Thanks in advance

Ian

P.S. I guess there's also a chance of my colliding
:-) with a concert or two.. does anyone have information
regarding tours by Petra, Chagall Guevarra, DA/Eddies
or MWS during late September?
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: RE:  Richard M. Bennema
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:03 GMT


Richard,

     Homeboy does tend to nail people right where they are, doesn't he?
I remember listening to that album for hours, over and over again and 
crying out to God to do whatever it took to make my life pleasing to Him.
It does tend to hot whenever that album is turned on.

     Heart of Stone really gets me goin' sometimes tho.....



Regards,

Dave
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Space aliens eat Amy CD's for breakfast
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:43:15 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Aug13.175650.9212@eng.umd.edu> yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk) writes:


>I've been reading this newsgroup for about a year and have come to
>the conclusion that most people who post are crazed Amy Grant groupies.
>Its getting just a little old. Let's discuss some of the other hundreds
>of christian artists that are out there. Maybe we need an Amy fandom
>news group.  Before this group I was under the impression that the
>only music that my other Christian friends listened to was Amy, and
>now I'm almost certain that Amy is the only artist most christians have
>ever heard of. Someone prove me wrong! 

>In the meantime, an interesting discussion for this group might be on
>the implications of idolizing a pop star.

>Sorry about ruffling feathers-hope this starts some interesting
>discussion.

If you want to discuss some other group, then don't ask someone else to
"discuss some other group."  Ask a question about a specific group.  Post
a review of some album that you recently bought--good or bad.

I usually skip over the Amy Grant posts, but they don't really bother me.
I am much more annoyed by the posts complaining about other posts.  :-)

BTW:  Did you hear that Elvis has agreed to do a duet with Amy Grant on
an upcomming album?

--PC

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