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From: rmeester@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Richard Meesters)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skis to Boards
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:13:22 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario

mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin) writes:
: In article <1992Dec31.163043.11234@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly  
: Shuldberg) writes:
:   The one thing I noticed, though, is that boarders, or rather, people
: > on boards, will never be ski patrollers, because they can't skate, climb,
: > or generally get around like a person on skis can, and my experience is
: > that getting around is most of patrolling (if I'd known they were going to
: > make me go uphill, I never wouldda joined! ;-).
: > 
: I saw a patroller on a board at Whistler about a month ago.  I've never
: seen one since!  Maybe it was just PR.  

We did some experimenting with snowboards and patrolling here in Ontario late
last year.  It seems that the problems with snowboards (ie getting around with
toboggans) are not insurmountable, but it will probably take some time to 
convince people that snowboarding and patrolling do go together, just as it
took some time (out here) to convince people that you could telemark and 
patrol.  In some cases, snowboarders can get around at an accident site better
than skiers since they are wearing footwear which is more appropriate for 
walking than ski boots (ever try running up a hill with ski boots on?? How 
about sorels?).

Regards,

Richard Meesters	            |     THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR....
Systems Software Specialist         |     ...someone else.
NCR Canada.                         |

EMAIL:  richard.meesters@canada.ncr.ca   Voice:  (416)819-4233
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de (Roland Stahl)
Subject: Re: Hawaii
Reply-To: stahl@ipi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: IPI University of Hannover
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:38:58 GMT

> Has anyone skied in Hawaii? I am heading there for Xmass.
> Is it worth skiing? Or people just do it to have said:
> 
> I skied in Hawaii...

You must be very lucky to find snow on Mauna Kea - even in winter and
there are no lifts. But - believe it or not - there is a Ski-Club in Waimea
and they sometimes organize Jeep Tours to Mauna Kea skiing.
But let me tell you one thing: It's stupid to go to Hawaii for skiing!!!

rst

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From: rowlands@mpr.ca (Ira Rowlands)
Subject: Ski Chalet for rent at WHISTLER/BLACKCOMB
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:22:36 GMT

	Ski Chalet to rent at Whistler/Blackcomb:

	Visit Whistler and Blackcomb mountains, home of the largest
	vertical ski area in North America.  Whistler has recently
	been rated as the number one destination ski resort by several 
	international Ski Magazines.  Situated only a two hour 
	drive north of Vancouver, B.C., Whistler offers both sensational 
	skiing by day and a variety of restaurants and nightclubs for
	evening entertainment.

	I have a rustic ski chalet with newly renovated interior for 
	rent on a weekly basis.  This cabin offers 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 
	full kitchen including dishwasher and microwave, fireplace,
	stereo, Cable TV, and a spectacular view of the mountain.  Witness
	the World cup down hill right from the balcony.  The lifts are only
	a five minute walk away (in ski boots).
	Rates of $1000 per week make this cabin very competitively priced.
	For further information e-mail Ira Rowlands or call me.


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From: dcoatney@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Doug Coatney)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:49:31 GMT
Subject: ==== SOUTH LAKE TAHOE ACCOMMODATIONS ====
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

South Lake Tahoe House/Cabin for Rent by owner:

DETAILS:

  - 4 BR/2 bath cabin/home in South Lake Tahoe
  - Convienent to Heavenly, Kirkwood, Sierra Ski Ranch & Casinos
  - Located in Tahoe Paradise (rural as opposed to in town) 
  - Ammenities include:
        - 7 Person jacuzzi hot tub (outside on the deck of course)
        - 1 King, 2 Queen, 3 twin and sleeper sofa
        - Forced air heater (modern house built in 1973)
        - Wood burning stove for that "rustic" feel (wood included)
        - Fully equiped kitchen with microwave, oven, refrig, coffee
          maker etc..
        - 2 TV's, Cable, VCR, Stereo, CD player
        - Telephone for local calls or calling card calls.

RATES:
  Non Holiday
    - $125 a night or $750 for 7 nights 

  Holiday
    - $150 a night

DEPOSIT:
  $300 refundable security deposit. (No children under 18, No Animals)
  $500 refundable security deposit. (Animals - dog or cat)
  $700 refundable security deposit. (Children under 18)

Pictures of the property and accommodations are available through the net 
in GIF format -- just ask! I can also fax additional information to you.

For Additional Information and booking, please contact:

  Doug Coatney 
  dcoatney@hpmpea2.cup.hp.com
  408-447-1927 (work)
  408-865-1480 (home)

============================================================================

Note: All weekends from now through March are already booked. But there are
a large number of weekdays available before that, not to mention some 20' of
snow currently in the Sierra's to take advantage of! Besides, skiing midweek
means no crowds!

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Skis to Boards
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:26:18 GMT

mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin) writes:

>In article <1992Dec31.163043.11234@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com
(Kelly  
>Shuldberg) writes:
>  The one thing I noticed, though, is that boarders, or rather, people
>> on boards, will never be ski patrollers, because they can't skate, cli
>> or generally get around like a person on skis can, and my experience i
>> that getting around is most of patrolling (if I'd known they were goin
>> make me go uphill, I never wouldda joined! ;-).
>> 
>I saw a patroller on a board at Whistler about a month ago.  I've never
>seen one since!  Maybe it was just PR.  
>  
>Bruce

A couple of places in Colorado put patrollers on boards for PR
purposes.  I think Vail and Copper.  A patrolman I talked to at
Loveland said they might be doing it this year.

Mark
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:41:32 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <C0GKLF.39L@inews.Intel.COM>, jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece) writes:

> On yet another note, a family of three is missing after heading from
> the SF area to Utah via Tahoe during the height of the recent storms.  The
> presumption now seems to be that they went off the road and won't
> be found till the spring melt.

Oops, spoke too soon.  The husband walked out ang got help.  Apparently
they decided to bypass the mess in central Sierras by taking going around
the southern end, and then taking a shortcut northeast across Nevada
via deserted gravel back roads signed "Not Maintained in Winter".

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman
From: zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: shreder better
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:39:26 GMT

I just heard on the news that several summit county  ski resorts are
starting an "etiquette" program for shreders.  It seems as though boards have
earned a bad enough rap that they're going to try to educate them
in proper conduct on the slopes.  This program also includes seperate
lifts for the shreders.

What will they think of next!

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*         aka: JerZe		      *  Robert-Wood Johnson Medicial School  *
*     Predoctoral Fellow              *  Graduate school of biomedical Sci.   *
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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please explain European Trail Colors
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1993Jan6.142349.5171@uvm.edu>, waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes) writes:
|> I have read many references to various colors, such as reds and blues and
|> what have you, used to classify European trails. I assume that the colors
|> refer to difficulty, as do the colors Green (easy), Blue (moderate), and
|> Black (difficult) in The US of A. Just what are the colors and
|> classifications used, and how are they standardized?

 Green: Easy
  Blue: Moderate
   Red: Difficult
 Black: Expert

 After nursery slopes go onto greens for a few days, then venture onto
easy blues, tougher blues & reds are the intermediate runs. Advanced
skiers look for tough reds & blacks. Blacks are an "anything else"
category in that you are expected to decide for yourself if a run is
beyond your ability.

 A blue with moguls ought to be a contradiction, but it's not.

 There is no standardisation (or standardization for that matter :-),
ratings vary quite a lot between resorts (even linked ones). It is not
unusual for a ski resort to be a bit flexible in grading runs so that
they appear to have a good number of all grades, this can lead to some
pretty red blues or blue reds.

	W.

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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snow, Snow, snow....
Keywords: snow-snow-snow
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:02:08 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1993Jan11.181649.26766@univel.com>, jason@Utah.Univel.COM (Jason S. Ehrhart) writes:

|> Another friend was watching as an avalanche from chute 69 (above
|> Hellgate) came within 200 yards of his house. 

 What type of avalanches are you getting? Are these "just" loose snow
slips or full blown airborne powder 300 km/hr jobs?
 
|> horrified to see them rippin' down from the top of the ridge.

 I'll bet!

	W.
 
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From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Road trip, would like to see a race
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:39:45 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.


I am planning on taking a road trip to New Hampshire or Vermont within
the next 3 weeks.  I would like to see a World Cup, FIS, or US Pro race
while I am there.  Preferably, I would like to see a super G or a downhill.
Does anybody know if anything is scheduled that meets my requirements?  
Many thanks in advance!


Jeff
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Skiing near USENIX
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:08:53 GMT

It looks like I'm going to be in San Diego the last week in January and
I'm planning on staying over the weekend. So, I'm looking at the possibilities
of a one-day overnight trip to ski somewhere in SoCal. 
What I'd like to do is bolt from the conference Friday day as soon as its
over and be able to get there by late Friday night, ski Saturday and get
back in time to catch an afternoon flight Sunday..
Lodging is not really important. I figure I can probably crash in the car.

Any ideas??
Anybody else going to be there whose been thinking about the same thing?
---Maybe we can team up...

TIA,
----Steve
-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me
From: yani@solbourne.com (Byron Yani)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Chestnut Mountain
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:21:02 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ollie.solbourne.com

I would like to know where this place is at. I live in the Chicago area
and I have never heard of this place. Any information would be helpful.

Rental Fee
Lodging
How to get there from Chicago.

Thank you.

yani@solbourne.COM
From: snively@scsi.Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Snively)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Cross country in South Lake Tahoe region
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:51:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: snively@scsi.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: scsi


A mixed group of alpine and XC skiers is going to visit
South Lake Tahoe next weekend, but with a car shortage.
The alpine folks are going to Heavenly.

What cross country (either reasonably sane back country 
or organized tracked systems) exist in about a 20-30 mile
radius from South Lake Tahoe.  Kirkwood is just a bit
farther than they want to go.

Please reply to bob.snively@sun.com.

Many thanks,

Bob Snively
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:10:07 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 07/16 Lodging
Organization: Toyz R. Me
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

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   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
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   Index:
       1) Welcome, Disclaimers, etc
       2) Alpine Equipment
       3) XC equipment/Info
       4) Clothing
       5) Technique
       6) Transportation
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       8) Phone Numbers
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      11) Summit County
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      15) Europe
      16) Lest we become too serious

 ------------- Section 07: Lodging -------------

 7.01) "Where's the best place to stay in <insert favorite state 
       here>?"
    
     Well that's a pretty big question. The only answer as of this printing
     of the faq is that if you're talking about Utah you should ftp Walt
     Haas' information from ski.utah.edu. Anybody else wanna start a 
     similar service?

     It's also a good bet to contact the local chamber of commerce. They
     can provide you with a list of hotels/motels in the area.


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: senator@neocad.com (Bill Armstrong)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:03:11 GMT

Marc Sabatella writes in response to being asked to voice personal
political feelings to a group more appropriate for such subjects -

> Two problems with that - it doesn't reach people outside Colorado trying to
> get more information to help decide whether or not they wish participate in a
> boycott (note this particular thread originated in rec.skiing), and it isn't
> universal here in Colorado - it's not my my system, for instance.

So, its not on your system. Get a new system then. Why continue to perpetuate
your personal feelings on a subject not meant for this group. Someone politely
asks the net to to post political view points to groups intended for that,
and you reason that you must continue to do this to allow people outside of
colorado this information. (Information in your opinion being your and others
amend. 2 political views). If people want to learn about the boycott, they
will learn, trust their instincts, without your almighty word. Who are you to
decide who gets enough information. 

It is safe to assume most readers of this group read it for information about
skiing. Your justification for posting political views is lame, at best.
The thread origination has no precedence, there was a fair amount of attempted
humor in alot of the posts. I saw none. You seem bent on forcing your views down
our throats. Please go elsewhere, this is a recreation group. If you must
continue, why not email.

Apologies for further perpetuation of this non-skiing topic.

10" - 20" the last couple days in Colorado. Lets go skiing folks. More snow
on the way.


-- Senator
-- 

Bill Armstrong	senator@neocad.com
NeoCAD, Inc.	2585 Central Avenue, Boulder, CO 80301
(303) 442-9121
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:28:16 GMT

I noted:
>> Two fatalities at Homewood.

There may be more.

In article <C0CrAr.8s1@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>These were kind of interesting.  Snowboarders fell in deep powder and
>*suffocated*.  I just got a blackly humorous mental image of a new
>Life Alert "I've fallen and can't get up" commercial.

I was given the impression that these guys hit trees before landing.
They were unconscious when they landed.  Same could probably happen to
beginners on skis.

This answers the question about some Boarders and trees.
And I thought it more due to certain commercial comments about boarders in
a Vail brouchure which was dropped at my house while I was ill.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry
From: parsavan@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dara Parsavand)
Subject: Telemark ski length + cable binding modification update
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:51:14 GMT

I am 175 cm and 65 kg and I have been skiing 200 cm Fischer E99's for
about 4 years.  I am thinking of getting wider skis - maybe GTS's, and
am wondering what peoples ideas about length of skis for backcountry
use are.  Since the surface area of a ski can vary by at least factor
of 1.5, I could easily find a pair of 170 cm skis (if they even come
that short) with more flotation then my E99's.  This seems pretty short
though, and I am wondering what the disadvantages of short skis for
telemarking are.  Even with 200's, I have in desperate situations had
one tip so far back that it sometimes sneaks behind the opposite boot
(I realize this is bad technique).  It would be nice to have shorter
skis for skiing the trees, I would think.

I have implemented the modification of front throw cable bindings that
I posted about earlier in order to get an easier touring motion with
one setting and downhill control with a second setting and it worked
beautifully.  No pins to screw with (some netters suggested using
cable/pin or plate/pin combinations), and almost as much forward free
motion as 3 pin bindings.

For those of you who did not read my post, the modification involves
tying a string to the buckle with knots on both sides of the buckle.
The string section going up is knotted again and is used to pull the
buckle as it is normally designed.  The string going down is knotted
into a loop and this loop is fastened onto a hook that is screwed into
the ski.  If you happen to have the kicker skins that use a hook in
front of the buckle already, you can probably use this hook.  To
experiment before drilling, tape a curtain hook to the ski.  The
position of the buckle in the touring position should be about 50 - 80
degrees.  Play with the angle of the buckle, and the tension of the
cable in the downhill mode (buckle down) to find your optimal
combination of tensions.

dara 
parsavan@prony.colorado.edu


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Report: Squaw Valley, 1/2 - 1/3
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:54:07 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

 (georgew@hspice.portal.com) wrote:

>      There's one suggestion I'd like to make to Squaw Valley management: run
> a parking lot shuttle!!!! Glen, are you in a position to suggest this to
> the right people?
 
 It's a pretty dang good suggestion (given the size of the lot). Probably
 the best thing to do is to have several folks fill out those lovely little
 suggestion cards (available from any of the snow host/hostesses or at
 the info boot). Unfortunately the suggestions of a single patroller don't
 carry a whole lot of weight at squaw...


 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rwh@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Rob Hill)
Subject: Snowshoe
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:41:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp, Orlando, Fl
Keywords: Snowshoe West Virginia

I am planning a trip to Snowshoe in late January and am looking for
general information about this place ie., restaurants, activities
etc.  Are there ski rental places other than snowshoe?  We will also
have some first time skiers with us.  Are there any discounts for them?
Any information will be helpful.  Thanks.
 :
From: ron@isgtec.com (Ron Lipsius)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ever get COLD FEET?
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:17:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


	Do you ever get cold feet?  

	What do you do about it?

	I have seen 'boot muffs' out on the slopes, but never have seen
	a shop that sells them.  Did the manufacturers go out of business?

	Just curious, since I have spent some time in the [-15C, -35C] 
	temperature range while skiing, and came back from Mt. Ste. Anne
	with a person who got frostbite on their toes (second time I have
	seen this.)

	Thanks...
--
Ron Lipsius ron@isgtec.com | "Our wretched tragedies have a smell of the
 ISG Technologies Inc.     | office clinging to them, and the blood that
 6509 Airport Road         | trickles from them is the color of printer's
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Subject: tire chains
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:36:02 GMT
Distribution: ca

I have a 1988 Toyota LandCruiser that I acquired only 8 months ago.  I've
never had a 4x4 before.  It's got new Goodyear Wrangler AT tires.  My question
is 2 fold:

1) Does anyone know California/Nevada snow chain requirements for me;
   specifically when "chains are required" is posted do I need them or
   can I pass through in 4WD with only all terrain tires, not snow tires?

2) If I need chains, do I put them on front or rear?

I have several years of experience with front and rear WD cars and chain
use in the snow, but 4WD is new to me.

Thanks for any info you want to share on this,

Matt
blake@nas.nasa.gov

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