From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:09:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1992Aug14.170916.2139
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Aug14.141408.675@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
|> In article <92226.212345U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> >
|> >  Please read articles carefully. I never said free speech was equal to
|> >  not taking responsibility. I repeat my words again (with emphasis) :
|> >
|> >  " Netnews is a system in which people express or exchange their own
|> >  ONLY IF IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW can nobody interfere with what people
|> >  say.  This is part of the freedom of speech."
|> 
|> 	Thank you for your reminder, I did try to read it `CAREFULLY'.
|> 	That is at least what I can do to show my respect to you.
|> 
|> 	Your assertion is wrong. You will be interfered with what you said
|> 	even if it is not against the law (I wonder what speech is against
|> 	the law in the netnews environment; certainly not "fire!!").
|> 	4-letter words does not violate the law, but you may get kicked out
|> 	of the net for using it here.
|> 
|> 	You are subject to be audited by your organization and your access
|> 	can be taken away as they see appropriately.

What I am going to say here is not intended to accuse anyone but just facts.

We all in silicon valley should remember that a couple weeks ago, a guy from
Sun Micro System was fired because of his postings on gay issues.
I remeber there were cases that employees were fired/sued by hi-tech
companies because they gave out company sercrets. The company found out by
monitoring the e-mails.

My point is there is a limit of free speech on the net and audit is not
uncommon. Neither of the above cases would have happened if these people
was smart enough to use fake or no-names.

|> 	Not signing your name or email address does not seem to be taken
|> 	responsibility of what you say to me. Many newspapers require
|> 	readers sign their name/address in their letter before publishing
|> 	them. Same thing applies on talk radio shows with the telephone

YES.
I do not know any respectable public communication medium that does not
need a real name.

|> 	number and name (and 5~10 second delay). Maybe your organization does
|> 	not require that, but this seems to be a general principle otherwise 
|> 	you won't see disclaimers all over the net.
|> 
|> 	Frankly, I don't care whether you sign your name or not, but your
|> 	idea of net usages is not right. If no one sign his/her name in
|> 	the postings, the netnews certainly won't be a better place in the
|> 	long run.

Same feeling here.
I do not care either anymore although I requested in the first place.
I am old enough to learn that there are different kinds of people
and different kinds of opinions to be respected.

The point of debate or argument is not one way communication but is to
have the audience and your oppenent understand and may be agree with 
you idea.

I do not see how I can respect the opinion that

	" without paying attention to who agree or who do not"

or from something that does not even exist to me.

So why do I need to care?

|> Yung-Kao Hsu
|> 


yu