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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:35:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Libraries, film, & sex

I  thought I'd just mention that here in Nassau County on Long Island, justly
known as the Land
 of Taxes some like myself get our money's worth from our
libraries.  Some of the libraries on the North Shore of the Island have
excellant film series.

There is one library in an enclave in Great Neck (the East Egg of Great Gatsby
fame) which has a film series restricted to locals (and they, the librarians
know all the residents by name.  Are they serious?  Have you ever seen a
librarian with a burning sword?  They're serious.)

Most however are open to all.  There are three libraries I visit quite
frequently, each shows films on a different night.  Yoou can't beat the price.
In some cases, you can't beat the show either.

A recent post was critical of the movie Glory.  The first showing at the Roslyn
Library (in the ballroom of the former William Cullen Bryant home) could not
accomodate everyone, so a second showing was added a month later.  At the
second showing, as a value added feature, there were members of a historical
recreationist society who brought along their Civil War uniforms and equipment
and were available for a fascinating discussion of what it was like to march
and drill and bivouc in the Civil War era.  You just don't get that at
commercial theatres.

I am indebted to the libraries.  Because they're not driven by the usual
lommercial necessities the programs vary widely.  In one case I was able
to get the Great Neck Library to show Children of Paradise.

I'll finish this by saying that the titles have ranged from the Secret of Nim,
to Star Wars, from Unbearable Lightness of Being to Tampopo,  Hoosiers to
Kurasawa's Dreams, films from South Africa, South America, and the Eastern
block.  And yes, every library showed Cinema Paradiso to packed rooms.

It is quite common for hosts to take visitors to the Great Neck library.  It
is that impressive.  For those of us without deep pockets, the libraries had
film journals, books of film criticism, etc. which made the cimematic
experience even richer.

David  ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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From: lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard)
Subject: Re: Henry V
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:38:43 GMT

*blushes at the praise*

I'm glad you enjoyed my posting... I thought about posting an
essay comparing Branagh's and Oliver's films, but I though it might
be a bit pretentious, besides you have all probably discussed 
Henry to death before I subscribed :)


Laura


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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:05:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Satanic Stone

*JFK* totally evil?  Huh?  How can a film *be* such?  Do you think Lili
Riefenstahl's (spelling's off im sure) *Triumph of the Will* is "totally
evil"?  Does it have the power to "make" anyone a good little Nazi?  Of
course not!  Don't give too much credit to artifacts . . . it's what we
*do* with them that counts!  (as a little reflections on what's been
variously done with the Bible should amply illustrate, methinks!)

Tempted to go out and buy a Black Sabbath record just to freak you with
me totally evilness,
MM
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:11:22 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Judy Davis Filmography
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	Alice
	Barton Fink
	The Final Option
	Georgia
	Heatwave
	High Rolling
	High Tide
	Hoodwink
	Impromptu
	Kangaroo
	My Brilliant Career
	Naked Lunch
	A Passage to India
	Where Angels Fear to Tread
	Winter of Our Dreams

--
-scott (huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:59:11 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Civil War films
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Although not actually about the Civil War, my favourite is Clint Eastwood's
_The Beguiled_.

     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * "You mean we really _are_ going
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England*    to crash?"
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lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *     -- Vila & Soolin (Blake's 7)
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:23:00 CST
From:         CTR0669@TAMZEUS.BITNET
Subject:      Old Films

Gayle, I don't think _Ben Her_ will be shown any time on tv soon.  Ted
Turner owns the film, as all the other MGM films, and about three weeks
ago showed a double feature on his TNT cable network of both the Heston
_Ben Her_ and the 1926 silent verson of _Ben Her_.  It was alot of fun
to sit in front of the tv for six hours and see both versons.

That was the third time the Heston verson has been shown on TNT since last
October so it might be back on in about 3 or 4 months.

About Ten commandments being the first film to cost over $1 million you are
probably thinking about the silent verson which I'm not sure it that is true.
The Heston verson of Ten Commandments was released in the 50's and the silent
Ben Her from the 20's has a $3-4 million dollar budget, which I think made
it the most expensive movie to date.

Chris Richard
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:12:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      michael douglas

In response to Michael's inquiry of Michael Douglas:
Yes, I absolutely agree!  I am no longer even interested in seeing Mr.
Douglas' movies.  The two most recent ones I've not seen for that very reason.
-ROMANCING THE STONE- and -CHINA SYNDROME- are both entertaining flicks,
however, even in those Mr. Douglas is less than appealing.  I always get the
impression that he is trying to fill his father's shoes.  I don't know if it
was on the net or I read it somewhere else, whereas Kirk Douglas may have been
the son of a ragman, Michael is not and it may say something about his lack of
"life's struggles" that leaves him without the experiences to convey the
feelings, charisma, and overall believability that his character portrayals
lack. I just don't think he is that good of an actor.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:52:24 EST
From:         Steve Portigal <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: PPS to Reversal
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              Mark Conn" at Apr 16, 92 1:36 pm

Christopher Mark Conn writes:
>
> >
> > I'd be interested to know what Jim Thompson thought of Ron Silver's
> > performance in Enemies - A Love Story.  I thought his depiction of a man
> > harried and harrassed by his own deceits and devices was excellant.
> >
>
> Is that the same guy who wrote _The Grifters_ and _After Dark, My Sweet_?


    You mean the guy that wrote Enemies: A Love Story?  No.  The name of
the author is right on the tip of my tongue and it's driving me mad.  He's
not the same guy as The Grifters, though.  He's a well known Jewish author
uhhh...Isaac Bashevis Singer?  I'm tempted to say Bernard Malamud, but I
know it's not him (didn't he write the Natural?).

  Hopefully someone will confirm my otherwise useless posting...

steve

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:23:00 EST
From:         Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Mercedes Ruehl

M.R. was also quite affecting as Tom Hanks' mother in _Big_.
Anyone want to post a filmography?

--Penny
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From:         Charles Valentine <SOVALEC@VCCSCENT.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Vegematics

These aren't those infamous Ginsu knife people are they?
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:10:00 EDT
From:         PGIORDANO@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      raw sex
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Among the Hollywood personalities supporting American Libraries' 800
number project are Paul Newman and Michale J. Fox.
Jody Foster arranged for the opening of "Little Man Tate" to be a benefit
for libraries; it was held at the Library of Congress.
As mentioned in another message Francis Ford Coppola was on TV the other
night talking about how important libraries are to film makers.
The largest collection of films in the United States is in the Library of
Congress.
The largest film preservation project in the WORLD is funded by libraries.
If you ever need to read a film script or get a question answered about
who won the Academy award in 1937 chances are you'd go to a library.
Major scenes in Ghostbuster took place in the NY Public library.
I am a librarian.

P.S. There is nothing about raw sex in this message; I just wanted to
make sure that Frank reads this.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:14:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Viking Films

>On to something more interesting.
>
>I am compiling a filmography on great Viking Films (with an emphasis on the
>pre-talkie era) any suggestions? %
>
>Dan

I completely forgot the title, but since Monty Python were
mentioned for the medieval films--there is something out,
directed by Terry Gilliam methinks, with a lot of Vikings
in it. And some Atlantis.

Does anybody know what I mean here?

Christian.
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:41:45 EDT
From:         Luis Eduardo Romo <ST201714@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: death of sam kinnison
              17 Apr 1992 14:17:00 EDT from <Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU>

I want to know when Robin Williams said that Sam Kinnison  that he was the
Chuck Yeager of comedy.  Was he refrring to Kinnison's use of screaming in his
act, "breaking the sound barrier" as Yeager did in real life in a jet?  I may
just be clueless, so please someone help me! Even if Williams said that after
his death,and hoping to make Kinnison sound mightier than ever, I ask all of
you out there, when has Williams ever been completely serious?


                     Nanoo  Nanoo,

                                   Eduardo
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:52:00 EDT
From:         PGIORDANO@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Civil War films
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Glory was one of the worst movies I've ever seen; I'd leave it of any
list
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:42:26 EDT
From:         Karrie Agostinelli <AP201092@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What is her name?

jamie geertz
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:32:00 GMT
From:         Gary Stephens <90700449@DCU.IE>
Subject:      Last month's quiz answers...

Here are last months answers... thanks to all who sent me answers...

I dont subscribe to this list so please address correspondence directly to
me... thanks.

 1. It's better to be a king for a night than...
    A SCHMUCK FOR A LIFETIME (THE KING OF COMEDY)
 2. I coulda had class, I...
    COULDA BEEN A CONTENDER (ON THE WATERFRONT)
 3. Klaatu barada...
    NIKTO (THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL)
 4. I love the smell of napalm...
    IN THE MORNING (APOCOLYPSE NOW)
 5. Come with me if...
    YOU WANT TO LIVE (TERMINATOR I AND II !)
 6. Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness...
    OF STRANGERS (A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE)
 7. In five years the Corleone family is going to be...
    COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE (THE GODFATHER)
 8. Let justice be done...
    OR THE HEAVENS FALL (JFK)
 9. I always say a kiss on the hand might feel very good, but...
    A DIAMOND TIARA LASTS FOREVER (GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES)
10. Last night I dreamt I went to...
    MANDERLEY AGAIN (REBECCA)
11. Home! I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back. After all...
    TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY (GONE WITH THE WIND)
12. It's not the men in my life, it's...
    THE LIFE IN MY MEN (I'M NO ANGEL)
13. Oh Jerry, let's not ask for the moon...
    WE HAVE THE STARS (NOW VOYAGER)
14. I ate his liver with some...
    FAVA BEANS AND A NICE CHIANTI (THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS)
15. A boy's best friend is...
    HIS MOTHER (PSYCHO)
16. Live fast, die young...
    LEAVE A GOOD LOOKING CORPSE (KNOCK ON ANY DOOR)
17. A man's gotta do...
    WHAT A MAN'S GOTTA DO (SHANE)
18. Of all the gin joints in the all the towns in all the world...
    SHE WALKS INTO MINE (CASABLANCA)
19. The last time I was inside a woman...
    WAS WHEN I VISITED THE STATUE OF LIBERTY (CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS)
20. I am *not* an animal...
    I AM A HUMAN BEING (THE ELEPHANT MAN)

Gary
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| Gary Stephens          |                 90700449@dcu.ie                 |
| Dublin City University +-------------------------------------------------+
| Ireland                | Nigeria, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, USA : The link ? |
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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
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Subject: Hook
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:14:03 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin



Well, Hook finally got to Ireland on Friday.
If truth be told, I quite liked it.  I thought Robin Williams was very
convincing as Peter Pan, and Dustin Hoffman had the "least worst" English
accent from an American actor that I have heard for quite a while.

The best part was near the end, when Pan was leaving NNL, the cinema
was quiet, and suddenly a small child in the front started to bawl out crying
as he was sad that PP was leaving.  In my book that makes it a success,
especially as a childrens' movie.


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From:         LIBR8506@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA
Subject:      yvette Brin'D'Amour

Yvette Brin"D"Amour the great French Canadian actress died over the weekend. Sh
e is best remebered by English audiences as the sinister madame who sends Karen
Black to her death in the PYX .
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:56:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      medfilms

Yeah, Ricardo, i just saw as much as i could stand of that Green Knight
thing with Connery the other week on TBS.  Connery (as almost always) is
splendid, but on only briefly, while the ever dull, dull, dull Miles O'Keefe
(a real setback for Irish causes everywhere) plays the main "role" (Gawain).
Actually, i'm quite interested in almost any version of *Sir Gawain & the Green
Knight*, but as you say, this one is just *too* bad!

MM
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:41:00 CST
From:         ICE9@GACVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Kafka and Marx

don't go confusing Marxim and socialism now.  Socialism is a governmental form
predicted by Marx as the eventual replacement for capitalism, Marxism refers to
a dialectic materialist approach to politics in general, or of the whole notion
of class struggles/oppressive governments/alienated workers/cyclical overthrows
of the existing order in general.
  besides, the whole cocept of social welfare can be interpreted as an
(apparently successful) attempt to ward off the very revolution that Marx
envisioned.  Response to a proposed threat rather presupposes belief in the
paradigm, hmmmm?

-Janus
        "There are entirely too many 'Jim's on the list"
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:40:00 EST
From:         STU_C4CASTAL@JMUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Academy's Attitude

Maybe they don't like Striesand because she is (GASP!!!) FEMALE!!! I don't
know if this is true, and I'm *not* trying to start any trouble 'round these
parts, so don't get me wrong.   I canna remember any female directors getting
nominations or the actual award...does anybody out there have such trivia
lurking around?

Like Myers and Carvey said last Monday, I'm sure Ms. Spheeris will get nominated
   next year for Wayne's World.

Not.

Happy, Happy Monday...
Chris
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From:         DU013@CALPOLY.BITNET
Subject:      R.I.P. Paul Heinreid

From:  Mary Shaffer


Paul Heinreid died late last week.  His best remembered roles are Victor
Lazlo in "Casablanca" and the unhappily married man who falls in love with
Bette Davis' spinster in "Now, Voyager" which I happened to catch again on
TNT yesterday (Bette Davis' birthday). Heinreid apparently created a fad
with the latter film by lighting two cigarettes and handing one to Davis.
(He must have lit a dozen in two hours!).  Also, I heard that "Casablanca"
is going to be rereleased by Turner to theatres refurbished with new prints
(black and white) in honor of its 50th anniversary, just like "Citizen
Kane" and "Wizard of Oz" in 1991 and 1989, respectively.  Something to
look forward to in 1992.

Thanks,
Mary
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Subject:      Realm/Senses

Jim....thanks for the reply and for the movies unlimited tele.no.
Don't know too much about laser discs.  I suspect however that because its
such a relatively new technology it'll be awhile before it makes to the
rental market (probably when a substantial number of people have purchased the
machine, probably, like VCRs).
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:22:21 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Greed

In response to William Krebs, I taped Greed from its recent showing and
greatly enjoyed it.  As far as I know, it is the most complete version of
how the film appeared commercially and very few are around who got to see
the director's 10 hour version.  For one reconstructed "what was it really
like" version, I recommend the book The complete Greed by Erich von
Stroheim, compiled and annotated by Herman G. Weinberg, New York, Arno Press,
1972.

Apparently, there are stills available of some of the scenes that were deleted.
Weinberg incorporates them into the stills of the final release with text
from the script as well as the novel McTeague.  You'll know what didn't make it
because those scenes have CUT in a box on their pages.  Like Jennifer Porro,
I also read McTeague and recommend it as well.  You'll see just how faithful
von Stroheim was to the novel though Weinberg's foreword highlights a few minor
differences that von Stroheim added to the film that weren't in the novel.

The question I have for those of you who've seen the film, read McTeague and
the Weinberg book is, Was von Stroheim justified in complaining that Greed
was his destroyed, mutilated masterpiece that bore no resemblance to his
final version that was 10 hr.?  I've always understood that many, many
characters and subplots were eliminated that left the version we saw on
TNT very incomplete and confusing in some instances.  Now that I have read
the novel and seen the Weinberg book, I have to say that the version of
Greed available to us today stands on its own.  There are only a few subplots
and additional characters that do get the premise of greed as a destroyer
that would probably add to the film's tone but their deletion in general
don't make it so incomprehensible.  There is one that I can think of:  in
the novel, the way McTeague bites Trina's fingers finally require her to have
some of them on her right hand amputated when blood poisoning sets in.  This
leaves her unable to continue carving toys for a living and she is forced to
become a scrubwoman in a school and live above it.  In the film the amputation
is not referred to until McTeague tracks her down at the school and she shows
him her mutilated hand.  Even then, I don't think a viewer who hasn't read the
novel would understand what happened.  Anyway, please ponder on my main point
and let me know.  I do concur with whatever poll chose this film as the
best silent film ever made.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:57:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Older films

>Does anyone know of a list which includes discussion of older/classic
>films?  (Cinema-L seems to concentrate on recent works.)  If not,
>would there be enough interest to warrant starting one???
>Jim Thomson
>Thompson@ucrvms

No to the first question. Oh yes! to the second
one. After all, the Sender: line keeps saying
"Discussion of all forms of cinema", doesn't it :-).

Christian.
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