HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams)
Subject: Re: Polio immunizations
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:38:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.205944.3429@anasaz> morris@anasaz (Bob Morris) 
writes:

> I heard that the Sabin oral polio vaccine was a live virus and as such
> was contagious.  The Sabin vaccine is the one administered on sugar
> cubes.  If enough people in an area received the vaccine orally
> (75-80%?), they would pass it to the others so everyone would be
> vaccinated.
> 
> Does anyone have adequate medical background and history (or age) to
> verify or deny this?  Is this why we all got the vaccine at the same
> time?

The Sabin vaccine was supposed to be a "killed" virus, where solutions of 
the virus were treated with formalin to kill the virus.  The problem was 
that a batch or two of the Sabin vaccine didn't get properly "killed", and 
live virus was given to a number people, many of who came down with REAL 
polio.

The Salk vaccine used pieces of the virus, which could not give polio to 
the recipient.  Salk found out that the pieces were just as effective at 
creating antibodies as was the killed Sabin vaccine.

There was apparently much animosity between Sabin and Salk due to these 
differences, with Salk getting the Nobel prize for his efforts and Sabin a 
black eye for giving some people exactly what his vaccine was supposed to 
protect against.

ObUL:  My brother-in-law got polio because he wasn't vaccinated since the 
vaccine wan't yet invented.  His was a very mild form, with no lasting 
effects.  Due to his infection, he is just as completely protected from 
further infections as anyone receiving the Salk vaccine.

               Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Chuckster)
                Internet:  chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov
   Disclaimer:  Not an official document of DOE, SSCL, URA or EG&G
                   "Curses!  Flamed Again"  - me
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 21:30:49 EDT
From: <PDA101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Falling Bullets
 <1992Apr09.231750.25575@brtph560.bnr.ca>


In article <1992Apr09.231750.25575@brtph560.bnr.ca>, denebeim@brtph254.bnr.ca
(Jay Denebeim P025) says:
>
>
>I don't have enough physics to back this up, but is there not a shock
>wave at the speed of sound?  I would think this would tend to support
>the object and prevent it from passing that speed.
>
>When people started asserting that here, it was news to me, but
>because of the shock wave, it made sense.
>
>Jay
>.sigless

  Well, me again. Sort of a stupid way to introduce myself to this
group, but my program's been running for hours....nothing else to do
but bug people...
  The shock wave that forms when an object goes faster than sound
travels *with* the object. Therefore, it doesn't support it in any
way. Plus the fact that the shock is really immaterial. It's simply
the area where the flow, which is supersonic outside (free stream),
is subsonic immediately around the nose of the body. All sorts of
funky things happen too, like the density and pressure change abruptly,
etc...
  I guess that makes it 4c now...
  --Paul
    Aero Eng Dept, CFD lab
    PennState
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From: peterd@polari.com
Subject: Re: Pleonasm
Keywords: I don't read headings very carefully
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:31:49 GMT

wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writes:

>There's nothing I hate more than a redundant pleonasm!
isn't that more like a tautological pleonasm masquerading as a
redundant rewording of a self explanatory phrase?  Like
when they tell you to do something and then explain that
you have to do it.


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From: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lance Gay)
Subject: Re: FCC Call letters
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:34:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.072956.22769@talon.ucs.orst.edu> tim@comphy.UUCP (Tim Mefford) writes:
>At some point in history, the 40's I might guess, the FCC decreed
>that all radio stations granted call letters henceforth would 
>arbitrarily be divided into east and west, those east of the 
>mississippi getting W??? call letters, and those west getting 
>K???.  My question is why W + K?   Any reason?

When the letters were first assigned in the USA and Mexico, they assigned
rarely-used letters so there would be little confusion between
call letters and ordinary words.  The US got K and W since these
are the two letters missing from the Spanish alphabet (Spanish is
spoken in Mexico, you know).  Since all the Spanish letters are
used in the English alphabet, Mexico was assigned X since fewer words
in English start with X than any other letter.

Lance J. Gay                                 Internet: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com
TRW Systems Engineering & Development Div.   Phone: 310-764-3988
Carson, CA  90746
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: jkohnen@comix.cs.uoregon.edu (John Hamilton Kohnen)
Subject: Re: Perfume and whale vomit
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
 
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 09:03:37 GMT

John Kohnen
From: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Flute tuning (Re: Radio UL)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:43:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

In a msg of <Friday April 10 1992>, Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki wrote to All:

 >> Also, i'm not so sure i'd say the flute is "often" a tuning reference.
 >> I've played in concert bands, orchestras, and a jazz band, and we almost
 >> never used the flute....it's just too quiet to be heard clearly unless
 >> the ensemble is quite small.
 EP> steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
 EP> Well, the piano is a bummer to start tuning on stage, so that's what we
 EP> use for tuning reference..


The player with the most strings wins...

Cheers,
-- jra

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From: peterd@polari.com
Subject: Re: Hoover Dam (was The wacky, flakey State)
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:25:51 GMT

w3wes@edison.gsfc.nasa.gov (William E. Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.212039.20631@anasaz>, morris@anasaz (Bob Morris) writes:
>> > >
>> >Dam UL:  Boulder (aka Hoover) dam has survived a 5.4 earthquake and has
>> >been struck by a light plant who couldn't pull up in time.  Although it
>> 
>    I seem to recall an UL about some of the construction workers, who died
>while building the dam, being entombed in the massive structure.

>*******************************************************************************
>        ___      _      ___      ___________      ___
>       / _ \    | |    / _ \    / __________|    / _ \     Bill Smith 
>      | | \ \   | |   / / \ \  | <_________     / / \ \    Code 910.4
>      | |  \ \  | |  / /   \ \  \_________ \   / /   \ \   Goddard Space Center
>      | |   \ \_| | / /     \ \___________> | / /     \ \  Greenbelt, MD 20771
>      |_|    \___/ /_/       \_____________/ /_/       \_\ 
>Reunite Pangaea!!!                                  w3wes@edison.gsfc.nasa.gov
>*******************************************************************************

The True Story As I Heard It (and probably source to the UL) is that
a forman nailed the botoms of his boots to the forms in such wise that
when the concrete set, there were the soles of these boot facing out.
Looked like someone was entombed in the concrete.
	Well sure enough, supervisor saw the boot sole, leaped to the
obvious conclusion, did a hastle roll call to see if anyone was missing
and was starting to sweat big time when the perp cracked up and revealed
all.
	But it was a good story.

chus
pyotr
From: morris@anasaz (Bob Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: The *Real* Monty Hall Puzzle (Re: Ask Marilyn Again)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:31:32 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

The "Monty Hall" puzzle we have been discussing has very little to
do with the old "Let's Make A Deal" show, starring, of course,
Monty Hall.  afu and rec.puzzles has sanitized the puzzle to one car,
two goats, and Monty always reveals a goat that you didn't choose.
This makes for an interesting discussion, but...

In the real world (if TV qualifies), there were often three prizes
of three different values.  Maybe Monty revealed the junk prize, i.e.
the goat.  If you switch, you might be giving up the medium prize for
the high value prize, or you might be giving up the high value prize
for the medium one.  Maybe Monty revealed the medium prize, giving
you a chance to give up your unrevealed goat for the good prize or the
medium one.  Sometimes, Monty even offered you money to give up all the
doors, revealed and unrevealed.  Etc., etc...

There just wasn't enough information to make the "always switch"
decision that the sanitized puzzle dictates.  In fact, there was so
much hype and psychology involved, chances of success were slim.

Bob "I'll trade the goat for the lovely Carol Merrill" Morris
aka morris@anasazi.com  (new address)
anasaz!morris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (old address still works)
My opinions only, of course...
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Falling bullets on Marilyn's Parade
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:28:23 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.143446.10293@athena.mit.edu> wjeuerle@athena.mit.edu (William J Euerle) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.033845.5938@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>|> Okay, there are *nine* possibilities.  Car in A, B, or C; first pick
>|> being A, B, or C.
>|> 
>|> Car is in:	You first pick:		You are shown:		The switch:
>|> ----------	---------------		--------------		----------
>|> A			A		    B or C		    Goat
>|> A			B			C		    Car
>|> A			C			B		    Car
>|> B			A		        C		    Car
>|> B			B		    A or C		    Goat
>|> B			C		        A		    Car
>|> C			A			B		    Car
>|> C			B			A		    Car
>|> C			C		    A or B		    Goat
>|> 
>|> Switching gets you two-thirds.  Period.
>
>Why not count the 2 cases of what Monty shows you as 2 seperate cases, because
>they ARE!  this gives you a new table with 12 possibilities, 6 of which get you
>the goat, 6 the car.  That's only 50%.

Yes, it's twelve separate possibilites.  But the six combinations of goat
are each half as likely as the six combinations of car.  Think about it.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:11879 sci.skeptic:7945
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment (?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:38:24 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.225649.2213@amc.com> jwbirdsa@amc.com (James Birdsall) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.171236.21201@midway.uchicago.edu> djb6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>The Philadelphia Experiment:
>>The US Navy performs an experiment in the Philadelphia navyyard to
>>either turn a battleship invisible or to teleport it to Norfolk, I'm not
>>sure which.  The ship was manned at the time.  The experiment failed and 
>>to this day there are insane sailors wandering around Philadelphia turning
>>invisible and psychotic at random.
>
>   This was a movie from a few years ago. They were trying to turn it
>invisible, as I recall.
>
>   Of course, the movie *could* have been based on an urban legend, but I
>suspect it's the other way around.

The movie was based on some lunacy from the people who brought you the
Bermuda Triangle.  I've cross-posted to sci.skeptic, I suspect that they'll
provide valuable information.

ObSkeptic: Invisible people are blind because their invisible retinas don't
reflect light.

ObUL: Winston Churchill was never invisible.

-- Ted "Chevy Chase? Invisible? Isn't that typecasting?" Frank
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: peter@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Peter Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Scallops: Seafood or Spinefood?
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:25:54 GMT

Back to the scallop question: I have heard that that you can tell if
you are getting real scallops by carefully breaking one apart.  Let's
use the "55 gallon drum" model of a scallop.  Real scallops split into
fibers which run perpendicular to the drum heads.  Fake scallops have
fibers which run parallel to the "drum heads".  The reason for this is
that in a real scallop, what you are eating is the muscle used to
close the shell (the drum heads are where the muscle attaches to the
shell halves).  However, in a fake scallop, you are eating a plug
punched out of a ray or skate's wing.  Because a wing is used in a
flapping motion, the contractions (and therefore fibers) run from body
to wingtip and front to rear.

Has anyone ever found a fake scallop using this test?  I never have.
If this is true, does anyone have good recipes for skate wings?  (A
multi-pound scallop, cheap -- WOW!)

Peter Hoffman
peter@epoch.geol.scarolina.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,misc.kids
From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Walla walla bing bang (was Re: Worm song?)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.155233.2363@ecst.csuchico.edu> mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>
>>Two oddball songs I remember from the early 70's were "Dead Skunk (In the
>>Middle of the Road)" and "Tennesee Birdwalk".  Since silly songs go all

Mares eat oats and does eat oats
and little lambs eat ivy
From: linden@ella.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Carbonated Beverages
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:26:01 GMT
Organization: Kitty & Ambergris's house of Stallions.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ella

Plucky little James Nicoll regales us with this incredible story:
> I noticed that the bottle of 7-Up ... had unusually large bubbles 
> and was producing them fairly quickly. When I dropped the candy into 
> the drink, it explosively ejected about half of the contents of ...
> 7-Up. The peak of the spray reached about five feet up the wall.
> Anyone have any ideas why this particular bottle reacted so violently?

Sounds like it was "just pleased to see you".

ObUL: Churchill ordered the British Navy to open fire on a bunch of French
battleships at the start of the war, to prevent them falling into Nazi
hands.  The French were somewhat annoyed about this, as they were allies
at the time.

--
Peter van der Linden    linden@eng.sun.com
Have you got a light Mac?   No, but I've got a taupe-colored Sun.
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:11887 alt.usage.english:2862
From: rarosenb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Robert Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Pleonasm
Keywords: I don't read headings very carefully
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:53:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

How about a tumorous cancer--a pleonastic neoplasm.
From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Wanted: Favorite College/Dorm Practical Jokes
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)

In article <1992Apr7.232448.896@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac (bill nelson) writes:
>: Suppose the victim's key had one extra large tooth.  Then remove all the
>: other pins, and put in a one size larger pin plus a string of the tiniest
>: pins.  Then the victim cannot open the door, but anyone (and this may not
>: be the whole floor, but it could sure look that way) with a shorter tooth
>: at that pin can.

>Right, and the lock would be likely to jam in short order when used.

I assume that the prank was undone after a day or so.  I don't think my
suggestion would work permanently.

>								      Thin
>wafers are a real problem in locks - the tolerences in the lock itself are
>not tight enough.

Right.  Presumably some of the victim's neighbors had to do some jiggling.
Assuming a random walk of tolerance errors, the error in a short pile of
pins is about twice a single pin's.

>		   It is possible to do what you describe, but the person
>did not say that he had access to the necessary components.

So what?  He said he did a certain mucking around, and you said it
didn't seem possible unless rather bizarre things were going on.  It
is possible, with just a minimal access to the right equipment.

>Your solution would also not work for anyone on the floor who had the same
>cut for that pin, not at all unusual in a master-keyed system.

You're right.  I said it would not work for such people.  However, it
is not a major improbability that the pin in question was one that
varied within the floor.

>							        Of course,
>it would also be possible to open the person's door with a hairpin and next
>to no effort.

That is true!
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (resU nwonknU ehT)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Oysters (Was Re: Scallops: Seafood or Spinefood?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr16.013514.15562@cabezon.uucp> larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:
}In article <32989@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (resU nwonknU ehT) writes:
}>In article <1992Apr14.150952.25957@anasaz> morris@anasaz (Bob Morris) writes:
}>}In article <2678@monarch.array.com> kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy) writes:
}>}>bulls = steers with testicles.
}>}steers = bulls without testicles.
}>	And that concludes the arithmetic lesson for today.  Remember the
}>moral of the story: You can subtract the same value from both sides of an
}>equation and you will still have a valid equation.
}	But the operator changed from "with" to "without".

	Sheesh.. sure the "joke" was lame, but 'twas obvious.  
	with    ~= +
	without ~= - 
-- 
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From: awells@jarthur.claremont.edu (Adam "Servo" Wells)
Subject: Re: Magazine order scam
Keywords: magazine scam
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:06:59 GMT

In article <5APR199213470204@summa.tamu.edu> kbm8572@summa.tamu.edu (BRYAN MILLIGAN) writes:
>
>	scam about votes, trips, and magazine subscriptions deleted
>
>	This happens to us on a regular basis.  Generally the people are
>around the 16-18 age group.  The usually say they attend the local high
>school but are unable to give its name :->  I think they are brought up
>here from Houston to hustle.

Two girls came here, going around the dorms with this pitch.  

Guess I'm never gonna get "Popular Science" now.  Yep, I fell for it.

It's been a while, I was wondering if I was ever going to get it.  They say
that it will take 6-8 weeks so I waited for a long time before I considered
cancelling my check.  I'm sure that it's too late now.  Can you think of
anything that I can do for revenge?  I know that if they come back, I'm
going to keep them here while I get someone to call Campus Security from the
next room.

Is there any way to get my money back?

(too embarrassed to insert my .sig)
From: staylor@fudd.rtp.dg.com (Steve Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Miss Savant and Monty
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:51:50 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Apr10.85415.8759@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms (Jeff Davis) writes:
>... Monty Hall varies the gag
>from time to time. He sometimes just reveals a prize and asks if you
>want the revealed prize or your original choice. Also, the choices
>aren't always between goats and Cordobas. [...]

In article <73584@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu 
  (Matthew P Wiener) responds:

>The problem, in the Monty Hall form, first appeared in THE AMERICAN
>STATISTICIAN, Feb 75, p67.  Monty Hall wrote in, explaining that they
>do not offer such a switch as occurs in the problem anyway.  But even
>he knew that the odds were 1/3 before the goat was exposed, and that
>they remained 1/3 after the goat is exposed.  He thought this was
>trivially obvious, which it is.  See the Aug 75 issue, p 134.

My impression is that the whole problem is much less counter-intuitive
if it is rephrased with machinery replacing the game-show host.  We have
all seen enough game-show hosts in action to know that they do not act in
pre-programmed ways, as required by the terms of the program.  Our
intuition about switching is really our intuition about the beneficence of
game-show announcers.
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Today's conspiracy theory
Summary: IS THERE a "high" or "increasing" cancer rate?
Keywords: that's an old joke, sonny.
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:14:07 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

As for causes of "today's high cancer rate," C. Everett Koop is of the
opinion that the only new "causes" are longevity and correct diagnosis.

50 years ago not many people died of "cancer" because (1) they died of
something else first, or (2) they had cancer but it wasn't correctly
diagnosed, and a secondary infection or something got them.

-- 
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Artificial Intelligence Programs | U of Georgia | Athens, GA 30602  U.S.A.
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.science
Subject: rivers cutting through mountains
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.science
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dogbowl@acme.gen.nz (Alan Brown) wrote:
> It's probably not the right place to ask this, but how can a river start 
> on one side of a mountain range and flow through to the other side?
> This is a question that often bugs me, as I live less than 10 kilometres 
> from a river that does precisely that. It's in New Zealand, and it's 
> called the Manawatu. ( man-awa-tu no emphasised syllables).  The gap in
> question is the Manawatu Gorge, 40 deg 18 min S, 175 deg 47 min E

The river was there first, and when the mountain range (is that the
Tararuas?  I've cycled through the Manawatu Gorge but it was a long
time ago) was uplifted, the river could cut it away faster than geological
squish could push it up.

Your syllabification is wrong.  No Maori syllable ends with a consonant.
Most Pakehas put a slight stress on the first and last syllables; I don't
know if this reflects a length distinction in the Maori.

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