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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Are EUROPEAN teams as good as NHL teams? (WAS: A Proposal...)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:40:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.093345.19953@cs.hut.fi> f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>
>>Most unlikely! NHL teams (NY Rangers, Washington, Calgary) usually have beaten
>>their Swedish and Finnish opponents on the rare occasions when they bother to
>>come over here for an exhibition game or two. The Soviets did have some teams
>>that were every bit as good as the top NHL teams, but they are history now.
>>Heck, even the best Swedish and Finnish players not playing in North America
>>are usually NHL cast-offs or not good enough to get drafted.
>
>When was the last time NHL teams came over here for an exhibition game?

  The last time I remember was when the brand new champs Calgary stopped
by Czechoslovakia on their way to play Russian teams.  An all-star 
Czechoslovak team was quickly thrown together, and it beat Calgary twice
in row.  

>The best Finnish and Swedish players are not castoffs, but players who
>have played a couple of years in the NHL and then come back home. Would
>you call H}kan Loob a castoff? Most of the best Finnish players have been
>drafted, but they have not been offered a contract. This is because 
>the NHL club has to pay a large transfer fee to get the player from the Finnish
>club. Besides, the US and Canadian players cost nothing and the Russians and
>Czecho-Slovakian players cost a lot less than Finns and Swedes.
>
>Janne Kivela"
>
>      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
>                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta


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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 13:47:21 EST
From: The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ruzicka Question
Distribution: na


Well I like Rosie and all but it must be remembered that even he admitted
he got completely out of shape during the Strike, when he got hurt it
took him longer to recover, infact I'd say he never did, He has stated
that it's his fault and that he will not let it happen again......

        Pat Ellis

 p.s.       GO BRUINS
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From: dja1@mulch.picst.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: How is Manon doing?
Reply-To: arlingto@remus.rutgers.edu
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:26:16 GMT


In article <Bx97uz.4Dv@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, rwieler@ic17.umeeng (wieler) writes:
|> Lets be honest here, nothing personal against Manon,  but there is no way she should
|> be playing at the level she is.  She only played 20 minutes of Junior hockey and let
|> in three goals.   She has been elevated above her status only because she is a female,
|> and an ok goalie.  There are probably hundreds of other goalies out there who could do
|> a better job than her, who are currently unsigned.  This is simply a huge media hype
|> for the Tampa Bay organization.
|> 
|> On the other hand give her credit for taking advantage of a good oportunity. Like I 
|> said before nothing against Manon personally,  but if she were a guy there`s not a 
|> chance in hell she'd be signing any contracts.
|> 
|> rich - ready to get flamed - wieler

     Not a flame, but really, IF she were a guy, then she would have had
every opportunity and chance to get training to fairly compete with all the
other male goalies in the world. But let's face it, since she is NOT a guy,
she most likely has had to deal with people never taking her seriously as
she had grown, probably never had one tenth the proper training and attention
that a similar male goalie would have recieved. In short, given the current
youth hockey development system, there is just NO possible way, any female
could have the same training and credentials as a male player! No way!

     So it turns out to be a Catch-22 up until now. Why waste training and
coaching and playing resources on a female who will not make it, and why
give a female a shot to make it who does not have the credentials.

     What hopefully will be the grand result of Manon Rheaume is that she
will be able to show that indeed, maybe some women CAN compete at least in
thje goalie position given the proper training. And just maybe then, way
back when they are in squirts and stuff, coaches and parents will give the
future Manon Rheaumes a fair and realistic opportunity to really accumulate
the proper credentials to get a fair and equal shot at the 'show'. Till then
I think this is a great start and every journey starts with one step.


"Remember, save the planet, defy authority, and watch your cholesterol!"
"Nulla Quaestio!"                Dave Arlington



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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: Joe Juneau
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:28:41 GMT

In article <BxDr9E.35z@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> sjvander@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Vandereems) writes:
>Sorry!!
>I made a mistake.  I don't know why I thought he was American.
>He should definitely play for Canada then.
>I think Toronto beat Pittsburgh tonite 4-2 (Yeah Leafs!!)
>

   Awesome eh?  Although I'm not much of a Toronto fan, if at all, but hell,
ANY TEAM (other than the Flames) is better than the Penguins, in the sense,
that I HATE THAT team with an unquenchable passion!  Especially, Lemieux and
his sissy sidekick, Jagr.  Now with Stevens out of the line up, so much
the better!!!!  

   GO CANUCKS GO!! 

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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Team Sweden - Team Russia, November 10
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.102908.6277@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> 
>  Scandinavium, Gothenburg, November 10:
> 
>  TEAM SWEDEN - TEAM RUSSIA  4 - 2 (2-0,1-2,1-0)
> 
>  In team Russia, Roman Oksiuta, Alexander Cherbaiev and Pavel Torgaiev
>  played well. Noticeable is that Torgaiev plays for TPS Turku's farm team
>  (He can't make the team due to that TPS have 2 other foreigners that's
>  better).

   And the two better foreigners in TPS Turku are Alexander Smirnow and
   German Titov! There is surely some interest for Torgaiev among some
   other teams in Finnish League: for example Ilves Tampere had some
   plans, but now it seems that they are going to prefer some Canadian
   or USA player. The latest news are still missing...
>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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/ hannu

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 11-05-92 (Blackhawks)
Keywords: thursday night's results
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:27:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) writes:

>NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 11/05/92.

[lots of stuff deleted]
>Toronto Maple Leafs  (6-5-2)   0   0   0   -   0
>Chicago BlackHawks   (5-6-3)   0   1   0   -   1

>Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 0 of 4
>			BlackHawks  0 of 5

>Shots on Goal-	Maple Leafs   5  12   6  -  23
>		BlackHawks    7  11  11  -  29

>Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (4-3-1) (29 shots - 28 saves)
>Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (3-5-3) (23 shots - 23 saves)

1. Finally a good game for Belfour
2. I seem to have noticed a pleasant trend of late. After a dismal
   start in this area, the Blackhawks seem to be giving up fewer
   powerplay opportunities of late. Let's hope this continues.
From: kitson@geop.ubc.ca (Denise Kitson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kevin Stevens
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:32:26 GMT
Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada
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Kevin Stevens left the game after hurting his knee in the opening
minute of play.  He will be sidelined at least 3-4 weeks while he
recovers from arthroscopic surgery to repair torn cartilage in his
left knee.
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From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: * does anyone
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:02:00 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

... know where I can get recent box scores (day after, perhaps before the
paper comes out).. over USENET...

I don't often go home from school until 9:00pm some times, and would like to
know how some of my players did that week!

Thanks..
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From: ssawin@bbn.com (Scott Sawin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ruzicka Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:41:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.lg2dtvINNfjt
Reply-To: ssawin@ccv1.bbn.com (Scott Sawin)
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In article <BxInF2.tE@mach1.wlu.ca> hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
>Can anyone enlighten me upon Vladimir Ruzicka's career.  I think he was
>traded directly from Edmonton to Boston for Greg Hawgood??.  However, my
>friend insists that he made a stop in Pittspurgh before going to the Bruins.
>Does anyone know the correct route he took to Boston from Edmonton, and the
>player(s) involved in the deal. 
>

You were right.  Ruzicka was traded directly to Boston for Greg Hawgood from
the Oilers on October 22 1990.

Scott
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From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: ESPN Lied. Brett Hull?  Spare me.
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:23:09 GMT

ESPN hyped up that game last night with their ad, "See the game's
most dangerous scorer, Brett Hull!"

Most Dangerous scorer?  Yeah, if a cherry tree was growing out
of the goal net.

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From: laia@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Yeow Sing Lai)
Subject: NHL stat sources??
Summary: looking for NHL scoring summaries to update pools...
Keywords: stats, summaries
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:57:29 GMT

Hi... just wondering if a source exists out there to obtain up-to-date 
game-by-game scoring summaries to update my hockey pool.  Ideally the
info should just contain teams playing, goal scorer, and assists.

The file will be piped into a WINDOWS-based pool update application
that I am working on...

I have been told a source like this exists (perhaps from the NHL
itself??), and any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Jason Lai

Simon Fraser University, 
Burnaby, BC, Canada.

laia@fraser.sfu.ca

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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: Trevor Linden/Canucks
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:34:57 GMT

In article <etam.721259661@sfu.ca> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
>apland@mala.bc.ca writes:
>
>>(Tom Gowdyk) writes:
>>highlight clip!  In the second Calgary game, one minute to go, Canucks up by
>
>I've also noticed some really 'nit wit play' by the team.  In the game
>you're talking about, with less than 1 minute to go and the faceoff in
>Vancouver territory, why the heck did they use Adams to take the face
>off.  They should have had Walter out there, along with some grinders
>like Valk.  Instead, Otto wins the faceoff cleanly back to McInnis,

      I DEFINITELY agree with you, as with most Canucks fan.  Why did
Quinn put Adams facing off with Otto, KNOWING VERY WELL, that Otto
has been VERY good at faceoffs.  Why didn't Quinn put Ronning or
Walter???  WHY??? WHY??  That question has been nagging at me since that
fateful night!!!!  I personally, I"m still pissed off about it...
Like surely, Quinn expects Adams to win the faceoff against Otto? Quinn
sure knows how to make a SICK joke...

        If it wasn't for that Mcinnis shot, WHICH I MUST ADMIT, was
a FLUKE shot.. Like NO HELL of a way would he have predicted that it
would go in!  He shot it RIGHT into a crowd of people!  Talk about
puck luck..  And you really can't blame Mclean for that anyway...


         Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk.. just as long as Quinn
doesn't make any MISTAKES in the future... which he rarely does, <knock
on wood>.

>


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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: True fans
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:49:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <farenebt.721149488@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:
>BTW- Where were all these Penguins fans three years ago when
>     they missed the playoffs?

Those of us that had SportsChannel were sorrowfully watching the playoffs,
while wishfully waiting for the time that this team would reach its full
potential.

And if you were here 3 years ago in r.s.h, you would have read many of us
moping about how tough the Patrick division was and how it wasn't fair. ;-)


Dean

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: Merchandise (800) Phone Number, (NYI) Kasparaitus joke
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:39:25 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

Several people have asked me for a Lightning merchandise phone number and
I didn't have one then. I have one now: 1-800-732-BOLT. I haven't called it
myself. If you do, please let me know what kind of service you got so I can
relate it to others who might ask about Lightning merchandise.

The # was given during the TB/NYI game and they announcers said that Lightning
jerseys by CCM were outselling all other teams. I'll say the same thing I said
last year about the Sharks merchandise success: people already have merchandise
for their favorite teams. Even fans of teams with new logos aren't likely to
shell out the money right away.

One other note from the TB/NYI game concerning Kasparaitus (sp?). The
announcer said that his name sounded like a clinical fear of ghosts. That was
pretty funny. I think players will have a little Casper-itis when they get
hit by this guy. A Russian (I think) that plays D, hits hard/clean, and handles
the puck on offense deep in the other team's zone... The NHL might be the only
team sport that contains most of the world's best talent.

Tom
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.210823.22171@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>In article <1dappmINNd2k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>>CANADA: 
>>
>>Defense: Ray Bourque, Paul Coffey, Al MacInnis, Eric Desjardins, Steve Smith, 
>>         Scott Stevens, Dave Manson, Scott Neidermayer, Rob Blake
>
>
>I don't know about Manson, and isn't Blake American? I could be wrong.

Blake is Canadian; he was born in Ontario.

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From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Subject: Re: Kontos
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:50:28 GMT

In a recent article RAP115@psuvm.psuu.edu wrote the following:

Chris Kontos dished in two goals last night and the surging Lightning pulled
to .500 at 8-8-2 to gain a share of first place in the Norris.  This time the
victim was the Detroit Red Wings.  Kontos also had an assist giving him a
3-point night.  Jablonski made 30 saves out of 34 shots to up his record to
5-2-2.  Kontos is now averaging 1 goal a game - 18 goals in 18 games.  Is this
the new Brett Hull?  Or is it too early to tell?
** Rob **

Before we proclaim Chris Kontos as the new Brett Hull, we should remember
past shining performances by marginal to semi-talented players.  The list
below shows an example of how players like Chris Kontos can look like a
superstar for an extended period of time.

1981-82 Dave Lumley of the Edmonton Oilers recorded at least one goal in 12
consecutive games.  During this streak, he tabulated 15 goals.  Mario's
latest streak, if I can remember correctly, was also 12 consecutive games with
a goal to start the year.  I certainly don't think, however, that anyone
would remember Dave Lumley as a prolific goal scorer.

1984-85 Bobby Carpenter of the Washington Capitals recorded 53 goals, and
many believed he was on his way to stardom.  Although Carpenter has had a
decent career, he never displayed this scoring touch again.

1989-90 John Druce of the Washington Capitals scored 14 goals in 15 playoff
games (Incidentally this was the only year that the Capitals did not choke
in the Patrick division playoffs).  After that year much was expected from
Druce, but little has been delivered.

Finally, in 1989-90 Gary Leeman of the Toronto Maple Leafs scored 51 goals
during the regular season.  Much was expected from Leeman after that year,
but his goal scoring talent has seemed to vanish.  Just ask any Flames fan.
(Nice trade Risebrough).

Even Kontos has went through a hot streak when he scored 9 goals in 11
playoff games for the Los Angeles Kings.  The following year, however, he
only played a handfull of games in the NHL; partly due to a hatred of Kontos
by the King's head coach Tom "Spear Chucker" Webster. 

Kontos has never shown very much to anyone duuring his professional career.
To add further evidence of his play, he was cut from the Canadian Olympic
team last year, and believe me not all the Olympians are playing in the NHL.
Kontos' best year for scoring ever, I believe, was 42 goals and that was in
the OHL.  Kontos nor the Lighting will maintain his(their) pace for the
entire year.  If Kontos finishes with over 45 goals, the fans in Tampa Bay
should be thrilled.
 

GO ISLES,

Len Hunt..........................hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca

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From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:27:47 GMT

In article <51422@seismo.CSS.GOV> cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper) writes:
>
>You are all wrong!  According to an reliable source close to the Kings 
>organization and confirmed by an unnamed source at the CIA here in
>Washington, Gretzky was kidnapped by space aliens prior to the start of 
>training camp.  He has not been seen in the Los Angeles metro area since 
>July.  The injury reports and the plane crash story are purely cover-ups.
>
>Think about it!  Have YOU seen him since July?  Do you believe EVERYTHING
>that you read in the newspaper?
>
>Dale Cooper

Sorry Dale, he was at the Baseball World Series in October...
or perhaps this was just a look-alike provided by the aliens... :)

Charlie Cook
From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Another bad Kings trade...
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:21:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisol.1992Nov11.172154.16372
Organization: UniSolutions Associates

In article <1992Nov6.234423.5889@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves) writes:
|> 	What happened to Rogie Vachon?

Rogie Vachon is now the assistant to Bruce McNall.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:18:52 GMT

In article <DREIER.92Nov12195145@jacobi.berkeley.edu> dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>
>In the IHL, if a game is sent to OT, both teams are guarranteed of at
>least one point.  This is because an overtime loss (OTL, as the IHL
>standings term them) counts for 1 point and a victory, whether in
>regulation or OT, counts for 2 points.  So if Ottawa plays Pittsburgh
>to a tie after 60 minutes, they get a point, even if Neil Brady and
>Sylvain Turgeon can't stay with Lemieux and Stevens.
>

Well then why doesn't baseball give the team that loses an extra inning
game half-a-win...!

Gerald
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From: fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman)
Subject: Re: Players who changed the sport
Reply-To: fischman@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:58:45 GMT

How about Gretzky,Kurri, etc., for causing the NHL to implement matching minors? 
Personally, I'm glad that one ended this year.

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