HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaikokujin
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:43:51 GMT

In article <1ektbrINNd4e@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Henry Robertson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.200619.5575@src.dec.com> jerian@src.dec.com
>>(Chuck Jerian) writes:
>>California takes a thumbprint for a California drivers license or identity
>>card.  Everyone is fingerprinted.
>Where did you get that from??  I never got fingerprinted for my driver's ID.
>Moreover, what do you mean by identity card??  My student ID just shows my
>face.  Never heard of a state identity card, not even California.

Actually, there is such a thing as a state identification card although
I do not know whether California uses such a system.  Some other states
do have it; I am certain.

One of the uses of such a card is the following.  Suppose that a person
doesn't drive yet, but she has bank account, a credit card, and likes to
drink alcohol.  The identification card will then serve as identification
when she cashes a check, uses a credit card, or buys alcohol.  Generally
speaking, most people who do the above 3 activities do drive a car and
hence have a driver's license, which alone suffices as identification.

Returning to the original issue, is it appropriate for Japan to 
fingerprint foreigners even though Japanese citizens are not fingerprinted?
Yes, it is appropriate.  Even the USA does not treat its citizens in
the same way that it treats foreigners or even permanent residents.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:37:09 GMT

smittie@csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>> This is completely logical for someone who has grown up in a society 
>> where guns are commonplace. However, it is not necessarily logical to 
>> someone, especial a young person, who grows up in a society where guns are 
>> all but nonexistant.

shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>Unless of course the Japanese watch American movies.

Yeah? And you believe everything Hollywood gives you?  According to HW, good 
guys hardly ever get killed, and if they do, they are resurrected in the
next episode.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,sci.lang.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: "Otoko kotoba" and "On-na kotoba" (Male language and female language)
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:35:13 GMT

  One interesting characteristic of the Japanese language is that it 
is traditionally devided into two sets of languages - otoko kotoba (male
language) and on-na kotoba (female language). This is not something like a
gender of noun or pronoun but the language that a person of each sex is
supposed to use. In other words, this is a kind of political correctness
required to the speaker depending on his/her sex.

  Although there are many words that sound natural whether they are from 
men's mouth or women's mouth, there are definitely some expressions that
are supposed to be used only by either men or women.

  For example, there are several Japanese words corresponding to the English
pronoun "I", among which "ore" would be categorized as otoko kotoba.
A woman who calls herself as "ore" would be regarded very unsophisticated
or unacceptably mannish.

  On the other hand, "...dawa" at the end of a sentence is on-na kotoba.
"Maa, ano hana wa kirei dawa (Oh, that flower is beautiful)" sounds very
feminine.

  Perhaps, other Japanese netters and non-Japanese netters studying Japanese
should be able to think of many other examples.

  An American friend of mine used to be learning Japanese from his Japanese
girl friend. It was interesting that his Japanese sounded very feminine.

  Another interesting thing is that most Japanese don't think that 
this discrimination regarding the language usage is a sexist attitude.
I don't know about the historical background for this categorization, but
it seems to be reasonable to hypothesize that there was a strict sexism 
behind the generation of otoko kotoba and on-na kotoba. However, it's
my impression that there is no real movement among Japanese towards the
abolishment of sexually determined language usage. Although many adolescent
Japanese do not follow this traditional rule and some female teenagers
seem to use "ore (I)" and "omae (you)", this tendency seems to be somehow
"corrected" as they grow older. It's my impression that there is a strong
support from both sexes for conserving this traditional discrimination in
the Japanese language. In the Nov. 4 issue of Asahi Shinbun (Daily Asahi),
I found a letter from a 43-year-old housewife who complained that a
female teacher of her daughter's school uses otoko kotoba and that
she is worried about its effect on her daughter's language.

--Michiaki 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:29:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>
>But that's beside the point.  I'll grant that we don't have all
>the facts, but from the facts we do have the guy acted incredibly
>irresponsibly.

From what little I know about the case, I would agree with you.

>   If someone was breaking into my house I would 
>leave by the back door and go to the neighboor's house where I 
>would call the cops.

That would be unwise.  If someone was attempting forced entry into
your house, and did not depart once you made your presence inside
known, you must assume they intend to hurt you.  (Unarmed criminals
after mere property will generally avoid occupied dwellings).

By going outside, you make yourself vulnerable to the intruder or
their compatriots.  And if you have dependents in your house, you
may be leaving them unprotected.  Proper response is to barricade
yourself and your dependents in some area of the house (a bedroom
is preferred) where you can see all entrances and exits clearly.
Call the police and wait in your "safe room" until they arrive to
deal with the problem.

If the intruder breaks down the door to your safe room, shoot them
without warning.  Anyone who breaks into your house (despite your
announced presence) and comes looking for you is a clear threat to
your safety.

>From what we know so far, the shooter had no reason to think a
>life was in jeopardy, and that is the only condition on which
>it is justified to kill an intruder.

Almost correct.  In most jurisdictions, one may legally kill to
prevent death or grave bodily harm (i.e. maiming, rape, etc).

                               -- Alane --
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From: s-ko@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Gaijin House
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:39:29 EST
Reply-To: uunorth!cibbs!s-ko
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

I know I've posted this before... But I'm not sure it's going out.
Does anyone know of Gaijin house in the Osaka Area??
I will be arriving in Osaka Dec 23rd at night and need to find a place.
Please respond if you know anything...
uunorth!cibbs!s-ko
Sunhan Eren

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uunorth!cibbs!s-ko   (Please use the bang path to reply to this message!)
From: boyle@phnom-penh.berkeley.edu (Joseph Boyle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Plutonium/Greenpeace
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:19:22 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: phnom-penh.berkeley.edu
Keywords: more biased info courtesy of UPI



Why doesn't Japan rent enriched uranium from Russia?
Today's SF Chronicle reports that the US is planning to spend $300M
for a storage site for plutonium and enriched uranium from
dismantled Soviet nuclear warheads near Tomsk, Siberia, but that
there are already local protests against this.
If Japan were to use reactor fuel fabricated from the former
warhead material, it would probably be cheaper, as well as keeping
the material away from any possible instability in the ex-USSR.
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comments on Politics (Re: Kanemaru's latest stunt)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:35:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au
Keywords: politics, Kanemaru, Takeshita, Miyazawa

I, Keis Ohtsuka, quote my previous posting: 

>Miki gets my vote for busting a former-premier Tanaka for receiving
>Lockheed kickbacks. Nakasone for being the first frost-and-babble 
                                                  ================
Correction: froth-and-bubble is what I meant to type!  
Nakasone was oftern criticized by Japanese that he talks as if
"shavings of wood catch fire." However, he was popular precisely
because he was the first Japanese prime minister ever talked
something in the West. 

>Japanese prime minister and for privatizing infamous Japanese National
>Railway and other government-owned inefficient economic disasters.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (cali )
Subject: Re: Train from Osaka to Tokyo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:18:26 GMT

In article <-1363800375snx@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Mich
ael Studte) writes:

>How much money would be involved in return train tickets to Tokyo?

Last week, I got the quote of 1,350 Osaka -> Kyoto and 12,970 for Kyoto-Tokyo,
one-way.  So the return (roundtrip) ticket should be about 27,000 yen.

You may want to call the JAL and check out the JR Pass -- Last month they told
me that a one-week JR pass was sold at $220, which was about the same as a
return ticket between Osaka and Tokyo.

-- cali
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Does anyone have news on Judo?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:13:48 GMT

I really felt sorry with those who were expected to win the gold but got
the silver especially the one you are talking about...Ryoko Tamura or
whatever her name was.  The Japanese media does too much for everything...


-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: justin@nx30.mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: Re: How bad are Japanese drivers?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx30.mik.uky.edu!justin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:00:10 GMT

In <1992Nov20.154338.26947@eng.umd.edu> naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:

>I don't know about driver instructors, but IMHO Japanese drivers are 
>among the best in the world. Oh NO! I've made a gneral statement!

>One things my friends gripe about when they come to the U.S. is how 
>poorly Americans drive.  This, I believe, is not so much about the 
>actual driving skills, (Although getting a lisence in U.S.A is a joke 
>compared to getting one in Japan) but little stuff, like turning 
>without signaling. Ofcourse, this is not a big deal here because
>the there are less cars on a given stretch of road.


Let's break this down, though (even if it was a blanket statement! :)
I'm gonna go by what I know and see in my own city, because I don't
trust government statistics.. 

I wouldn't doubt if this applies to all Americans, but in Lexington, here's
how it works: 

   Men are responsible for most accidents. That's a 'statistic' I guess,
but it's very misleading (numbers CAN lie!). The reason men are responsible
for most accidents is because they wreck trying to keep from being hit by
a woman. American women are the worst drivers. It must have something to
do with the hormones. No, I'm not kidding.. Go to the scene of an accident 
and what will you find? A man and his beat up car with a woman going on
about how sorry she is (and how she wasn't paying any attention to where
she was going!). 
   Teenagers are *FAR* worse then their parents. They drive like
maniacs. They think 60mph is just fine for making a turn in a residential
area (or at least in the areas around high schools). Most teenagers
that drive have more wrecks in a few years then you can count on your hands
and toes. (well, maybe not THAT many..) I did read a paper (from the 
Fayette-Urban County Government) about how the average teen has four wrecks
before turning 18. That's two a year, and that's four too many.

The FRENCH drive like there's no tomorrow.. If you see a Frenchman on the 
road (he'll be the one going the wrong way :), I suggest you take another
road.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Some Stupid Questions for Japanes.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.002149.12660@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <83703@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
>writes:
>>As a Korean, I have seen still strong reservation or
>>unwillingness to accept Japan as a key player in the international society 
>>among Asians who are mostly from the victims of your past imperialism.
>
>This aspersion is groundless.
>
>Japan has already apologized for WWII; further, Japan already
>paid S. Korea a multi-billion (in 1993 dollars) dollar compensation
>back in the '60s.  Japan has already offered an equal amount of
>financial compensation to N. Korea.

From Mr Byungtae Lee's post, I am sure Mr Lee is not talking about WWII.
Anyway, WWII has nothing to do with Korea in terms good-bad guy talk in 
case Dwight Joe missed it.  I do not know the figure Japan paid then S.Korea
government in the 60's, but that in no case was an apology.
Closest thing that came to apology was Japan's big person saying something 
of regret, which is far far from an apology.  In any case, I do not see any
correlation between the question by Mr Lee and reply of Dwight Joe, as 
of above.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Lawyer wanted! Immediately!
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<SMITTIE.92Nov14181302@beach.csulb.edu>
	<1e4q7bINNoue@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:51:58 GMT


>So, calm your hormones and save your character assassinations for private
>mail. 

I don't see where hormones come into this.

I did get caught up in Asano bashing and for that I apologize to the net and to
Mr. Asano. But I alos pointed out that trying to (or suggesting that) Mr. Asano
not be allowed to have his say here was not the way to deal with him. Moreover,
in a poem I tried to point out that all of us have at one point or another been
proud in our ignorance. It is a symptom of youth that only deminishes slightly
with age. In short, maybe we all ought show alittle more tolerance toward a
young man. 

smittie
-- 
                             Tada mono de ha nai
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From: bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Gifts from visiting US student
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:33:34 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi!

There's a very good chance I'll be going to Japan for two months next summer.
Although I read the former thread, could someone please give me some ideas of
gifts to give to people?

As I understand it, the Japanese culture places heavy weight on the giving and
receiving of gifts.  While I've been told (by a couple of native Japanese) that
as an American I wouldn't be "required" to obey the customs, I'd like to at
least make an attempt to do so...

Oh - the one restriction on what I could bring is, obviously, what I can
afford as a grad student.

Thanks muchly,

David Hunt
bluelobster+@cmu.edu
From: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Hayari Kotoba (Fad Expressions)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov17.022240.29038@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.005754.12193@u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

>>               *** Anyone know what W.C. actually stands for?
>
>Water Closet.
>
>-YH

Just FYI:

My mother (who is Okinawan) once told me that when public restrooms were 
first built (back around WWII), the Japanese placed "W.C." on them to mean 
"Water Closet". The American soldiers (most of whom had never heard of 
that term) took the initials to mean "Whites/Coloreds", as in it was 
acceptable for whites and blacks to use those restrooms. 

Cathy
From: kms10@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin M. Squire)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Note - Does America Say Yes To Japan?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 04:23:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kms10@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin M. Squire)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I hope it doesn't seem ambiguous when reading the articles, but I
am definitely _NOT_ the author!

Kevin

-- 
Blest are those who can give without remembering and take without forgetting
--Elisabeth Bibesco--If you have built castles in the air, your work need not
be lost; that is where they should be.  Now put foundations under them.--Henry
David Thoreau-**********   kms10@po.cwru.edu   *******   Kevin Squire   ******
From: mvcy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Pets immigration procedure
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:48:16 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <BxzIMG.39o@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
kig9584@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kyoko Inoue ) writes: 
> 
> 
> Going through the immigration procedure at Narita Airport is
> tough enough for the non-Japanese people.  What if he had a pet
> for company?
> 
> An American friend of mine hoping to get a job in Japan as 
> an English teacher has cats with him.  They are just like his
> own kids (so he says).  
> 
> Do any of you have information regarding what kind of torture
> awaits his kids (actually kittens, to be precise)?
> 
> Kyoko Inoue
> 

I seem to recall that the quarntine period for dogs incoming from locations
known to have rabies was about 2 weeks.  So unless the transport is from
England (in which case there is only like half a day quarntine), the dog
will have to be put up in quarantine kennels.  I don't exactly know what
the procedures are for cats though.  At least you are not taking dogs into
England.  The quarantine was 6 months!

Satoshi Amagai

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china
From: dgt@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Eduardo Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: kanji on Star Trek TNG
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:24:25 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

The name of the planet in Alien 3 was  Fiorina (and some number).
Fiorina is an italian word, certainly not japanese.
-- 
Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
dgt@phy.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: R3PG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: I WANT TO WORK IN JAPAN : Need help
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:19:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.050408.17574@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
(Taka ) writes:
 
>One of my friend is planning to go to Japan. She want to go their and teach English
>(She thinks this is the only employment available to gaijins).  She has been studying
>Japanese and has intermediate-level of Japanese. She asked my advice but the
>problem is that I know nothing about it.
>How is the job prospect for an Australian in Japan? If she get there, what she
>shold do to get a job?  Any tip for avoiding rip-off and troubles? Should she find
>a job before she go to Japan. If so, how to find a good job in Japan from oversee.
>Job do not have to be an English teacher. She just want to go there and study
>Japanese.
>
>Taka
>
   I also want to work in Japan, circa Summer 1993 and beyond.  I'd like to
teach English, but I am willing to do other jobs as well.  As of mid 1993, I
will have completed four semesters of Japanese and would like to expand beyond
that.  For any and all who have information, please post and mail to:
 
      Phil Greene                     r3pg@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
      116 Fir Hill
      Apartment 10            or
      Akron, Ohio 44304
      (216)535-5466
 
Thanks in advance for the help.
 
                                    ja ne,
                                          phil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Lawyer wanted! Immediately! 
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.045848.1000626@sue.cc.uregina.ca> guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Nov16115941@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>>>                             Tada mono de ha nai
>>                                            ^
>>>Yes! You are...--->                        W
>>
>>
>>I realize that the sound here is 'wa' and not 'ha.' However, the hiranga
>>character is "ha" and I prefer to remain true to the hiragana. I just didn't
>>want you all to think it was a mistake.
>>
>>smittie
>>--
>>                             Tada mono de ha nai
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  What you are showing here are not hiragana characters but just approximate
>  pronunciations, unless you display them in Japanese characters. You do make
>  a mistake. Besides, admit your mistake wouldn't damage your image, but may
>  make it shinny.
>  
>  Ask an educated(elementary level is more than enough) Japanese to help you.

   I am a relatively educated Japanese (at least better than an elementary 
level... well, almost).

I occasionally exchange e-mails with my Japanese friends in Roma-ji. Some of
them seem to use only "ha", some others use "wa", and the others use both
"ha" and "wa". For an informal occasion like USENET, I don't think that either
is defined as a mistake. I think that it's only a matter of preference.
Both are understandable and reasonably acceptable. This is just my opinion.

BTW, Smittie-san's image is already shining very brightly. (Oooo, mabushii!)

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns