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From: gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball")
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: DeLorean info request
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:50:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Hello everyone.  I am doing some research for personal curiousity, and I would
like to compile as much information as possible about John DeLorean, DeLorean
Motor Company, and the DMC-12.  Facts as well as rumors.  Good books on the
subject.  Good periodical articles.  Word of mouth.  Are there archives of
articles which have been converted to electronic text?  Like I said before,
any and all sources are wanted.

This request will be posted in several groups which I thought appropriate.  As
If you regulars feel that this post has been placed inapropriately, then I will
apologise in advance since I do not read these groups regularly and may not
know what is taboo.

Please respond via e-mail, as I no time to sift through these newsgroups.  I
also send my thanks in advance, and please don't get offended by not receiving
a personal note of thanks.  "Thank you all for your help."

Geoff Fritz

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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <505@porsche.sbi.com> mhr@porsche.sbi.com (Michael Ringbauer) writes
>In article <1992Apr4.043819.10564@nmsu.edu>, jslatten@spock.NMSU.Edu (J Slatten) writes:
>> I don't remember an Elmer doing this, but this seems to be a common habit of
>> Angelo Mario D'Guido.  How dare someone try to pass his '83 Monte Carlo!   
>> Usually Angelo isn't so stiff necked...he flips you off,screaming "fongoo!"
>> (phonetic) through the half-lowered tinted window. 
>> Dan
>
>The Mario D'Guido's of the world also can't stand to be anything
>other than first in a line of cars at a stop light.  Even if their
>destination is on the next block.
>-- 
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>Salomon Brothers	Email: mhr@pivot.sbi.com
>7 World Trade Center    
>New York, N.Y. 10048	"Was ist los?" "Der Hund ist los!!!"

	Getting a wee bit *fucking* racist pig-like for rec.autos.driving,
	aren't we now? I thought this was about driving, not neo-Nazism...

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup)
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Organization: Software Tool&Die, (Boston), MA
Distribution: rec.driving
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.052804.21377@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu
(Noemi Berry) says:
>i hate to say it, but as soon as i see permed, fluffed, dyed blond hair
>at the wheel of a convertible, i'm outta there.  ditto for a silk tie at
>the wheel of a mercedes 2-seater.  and a hat peeping out from the wheel
>of a lumbering, ancient land yacht.  need any more stereotypes??

Boy am I glad a woman (Noemi?) said this! I was starting to give those who
wanted *actual proof* I was a misogynist too much hard evidence lately! 

-- 
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16 Plainfield St. Jamaica Plain, (Boston), MA 02130-3633
Home +1 617 524 5929 	Home Fax +1 617 983 9410
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From: mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:43:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Apr15.171848.6115@cis.ohio-state.edu> prabal@pons.cis.ohio-state.edu (Prabal Acharyya) writes:
>
>four lights even there is no fog.  Sometimes they are OK but sometimes
>they really hurt (depending on the design and position of lights I
>guess).  So, is there a law, or anybody can switch on *all* the lights
>they have.

I think that it's just a matter of personal judgement here in
Virginia. I heard that New York just enacted a law similar to
the statute for high beams (turn them off when within 500 ft.
of other traffic). Given the total lack of sense displayed on
the roads around here, I applaud New York for that law.

Personally, I don't understand people who drive around on a clear
night in traffic with them turned on. I keep the covers on mine
to reduce the risk of rock damage. They are very close to the road.
I dim mine when I see a car approaching, because when I drive past
someone who does not, they bother me.

I like the folks who pay the initial cost of buying them, use them
all the time, and never bother to replace a broken or burned out
one. Makes the car look REAL cool.


-- Mike
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: uk09365@nx08.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:34:38 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr14.174255.8513@linus.mitre.org>  
ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
[etc.]
> Now: Covert radar.
> 
>      I was at a radio ham gathering last night, and got a quick look
> at a ham newsletter (sorry, but I didn't write down the name). One
> small article concerned a radar gun manufacturer who was seeking FCC
> permission to develop (and presumably sell) a spread-spectrum radar
> gun.
> 
>      I didn't get a chance to read the whole article, but apparently
> this is a frequency agile device which unpredictabley switches
> frequency hundreds or thousands of times per second. It's radiation is
> effectively invisible to a normal radar detector, appearing as an
> occasional blip which is rejected as static. It is also more difficult
> to jam.
> [etc.]

Forgive my ignorance; but I thought that radar speed measurement worked on  
the principle of measuring the doppler effect by sending and RECEIVING a  
microwave (radar) signal to bounce off the target vehicle.  This being the  
case a spread-spectrum radar gun would have to be able to receive  
frequencies which would be switched unpredictably "hundreds or thousands  
of times per seconds."  If the radar gun can be built to do this, why  
can't a radar detector be built to do this?  Please explain this to me  
better.

Thanks

RIK

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:12:04 GMT


In article <s1dtaINNo94@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources) writes:
>
>That or the folks who drive up to the very end of a merge lane
>before moving over (Usually happens on crowded roads, but I've
>seen people just cruise along ignoring the signs, then expect
>someone to be nice to them just because they are in a jam).

I see this a lot on the expressway where the construction zones begin.
For miles prior to the merge there are big orange signs, and closer up
there are big reflective barrels, but these losers zip right up and then
cut off people travelling in the correct lane. Pretty irritating. ;-)

>Just one of many things I wish the police would start ticketing
>people for...

Heartily agreed!

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: Chuck@clemson.edu (Chuck Heck)
Subject: Re: Lasar radar again *sigh* (was Re: IRD?...Infra-Red-Detector?)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.151344.25356@news.mentorg.com>, 
gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle) writes:
> 
> 
> According to Car and Driver, Cincinatti Microwave has a working
> prototype of a laser detector, but doesn't plan to bring it
> to market.
> 
> - Greg
> -- 
> Greg Cagle               "He's no fun; he fell right over!"
> Mentor Graphics          
> greg_cagle@mentorg.com
> 

Spoke to them on the phone the other night.  I was told that they will have 
a laser detector on the market in about 60 days, and it should cost around 
$120.  It will piggyback your existing detector using velcro (if I remember
correctly), and the power cords can be daisy chained so that you only need 
one cigarette lighter plug for power.

I was also told that they would release an X, K, and wide band Ka detector
"sometime this summer," and the cost would be in the $200 to $250 range, but
probably closer to $200.

Chuck

>
From: amb@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU (andrew m. boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Photo Radar in New Jeresy
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:02:09 GMT

[i posted this locally, but the news system got pretty hosed and i don't
*think* it made it out.  apologies if you see this twice.]

According to the front page of the Somerset edition of the Star-Ledger,
there's now a photo-radar setup on I-280 and one other place.  Right now
a sign just lights up reading "you are speeding" -- the legislation
needed for photo-radar is being shoved through the state legislature...

(It might not be too late to call and scream to your congress-critter if
you're a native...)

andrew
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: pky@meadow.uucp (Peter Yeung)
Subject: Re: ATTN: Canadians! (re: Radar Detectors)
Reply-To: pky@meadow.UUCP (Peter Yeung)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:13:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202051.25086@eff.org> peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
>Are there any cities or provinces in Canada where use of a radar detector
>is illegal?  My fiancee and I are planning on taking a driving trip this
>summer.
>

The province of Ontario prohibits the use of rader dectector. It is illegal
if you have it IN your car even NOT operating.

>- Peter


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (K. Khan)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:43:42 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.172614.16692@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:
>	You want to talk about crazy speed limits?  There's an 
>apartment complex around where I'm from where the speed limit is
>(and I'm not making this up) 12 1/2 mph.  There's also a parking
>lot near a mall where the the limit is 11 mph.  You have to wonder
>what drugs these engineers were on.

We've all seen ridiculously low "speed limits," in such places, but my
understanding is that they don't mean jack diddly squat. Since the mall
parking lot and the apartment complex are PRIVATE PROPERTY, the CITY
police cannot enforce these limits. And somehow I doubt whether a
speeding ticket from the apartment doorman would chalk up many points
against your license. ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry)
Subject: Re: Female driving stats (Was: Re: Kill Biker....)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec.driving
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:28:04 GMT

>I personally thought it was simply higher numbers due to in-
>creased numbers of women driving as more enter the workforce.

this should certainly affect the statistics that traditionally
show that women drivers are "better" (better insurance risks,
that is).  (don't look at me!!!)

>(Actually, the number of close calls I've had indicate to *me* that the
>higher rate is due to poor driving patterns, but hey, whatta I know?)

when it comes right down to it, this is exactly right.  in some ways,
it doesn't matter who is driving, or what sort of car it is -- the
attitude, alertness, awareness, skill (if you're REALLY lucky) etc
of the driver is what is going to count.    on the other hand,
things like driver age, gender, type of car (watch out for those
convertible mercedes!) may help one predict the attitude of that
driver.  never reliably, but you have to go with the odds sometimes.

i hate to say it, but as soon as i see permed, fluffed, dyed blond hair
at the wheel of a convertible, i'm outta there.  ditto for a silk tie at
the wheel of a mercedes 2-seater.  and a hat peeping out from the wheel
of a lumbering, ancient land yacht.  need any more stereotypes??

of greater interest, i'd like to see statistics on women _riders_.
(real statistics, not ones i make up to placate my parents).

does the driving "caution" apply to lady riders as a group??
(we *are* an unusual bunch :-) )??  

noemi
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason)
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 16:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.033632.6777@nmsu.edu> jslatten@spock.NMSU.Edu (J Slatten) writes:
>In article <84117.919220139@kcbbs.gen.nz>  writes:
>> One note on the "No bumper Stickers" comment. Here, a "Greenpeace '92" 
>> sticker clocks in about 10 points worse than none at all.
>>  Have you ever noticed that it's the Greenpeace supporters who drive 
>> the bio-degraded cars??
>
>Speaking generally, liberals who put their political agenda on their rear  
>bumpers drive to conserve out precious resources.  "55 saves 10,000,000  
>barrels of oul a year", you know.  

	It's not just the liberals.  How about the conservatives
who HAVE to obey the posted speed limit no matter how ridiculous it
may be.  Not that I'm saying _all_ speed limits are arbitrary: I've
actually seen some roads where the posted limit was too high for most
cars/drivers to handle it.  But, as we all know, a LOT of speed
limits are nuts.
	Funny how when I see a car with a 'Buchanan for president',
or 'Bush/Quayle 92 (or 88)' bumper sticker it often seems to be
holding up a dozen people behind it.  Kinda like the government
they endorse. :-)
	BTW, Here's another stereotypical driver for the record:
Bob-n-Bub who'll get on a two lane highway RIGHT next to each 
other and do EXACTLY the same speed.  It wouldn't occur to either
of them that someone might want to pass them, and that moving to
the other lane would cost them a total of, maybe, 4 seconds.

-Jason
--
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: Covert radar gun under development.
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:22:33 GMT

fdeck@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (francis deck) writes:
> 
> Has anybody considered STEALTH TECHNOLOGY for cars?  I know
> the Corvette is made of plastic... Do 'Vette owners get
> pulled over by radar cops?
> 
> f. deck

Actually, the ability of a vehicle to bounce a doppler wave back at
the officer's RADAR gun has little to do with plastic vs metal body
construction.  The most reflective parts of the car include
headlights, metal wheels and disc brakes.  These all, especially the
lights, provide a perfect signal for the RADAR gun to process.  Vettes
do better than most vehicles due to their flip up lights.  When the
lights are down, you've eliminated one very RADAR reflective surface.
All data comes from a C&D article and John Tommerlin's book, Beating
The Radar Rap.

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From: hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Breaking-in a Mercedes in Europe
Keywords: breaking-in, MB 190E
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:39:08 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

I'm taking European delivery of a new 190E 2.3 this summer and will be driving
it for 2 weeks (almost continuously) on a big tour of the continent.

I expect to drive the car to its limits on occasion (max speed) where
laws allow.  The worry I have is the break-in.  How should I drive the
car to minimize problems?  I will probably get the oil changed as 
soon as I get it back in the States, but what about during the trip?

Is the MB 2.3 motor indestructible or should I baby it during its infancy?

The car will be a U.S. model, with all the emissions gear (and creature comforts)

Any tips on European driving (I've done it before in Italy, but nowhere
else) would also be welcome (what to watch out for, how not to get tickets,
where to buy gas cheap (need the high-octane stuff)), what roads, countries
to avoid (due to necessity, I will be hitting the following:  Germany (both
sides), Denmark, Checkoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Austria and Italy.)  I know
that I have to worry about the Eastern countries, but I have to go there
on business. Any anti-theft tricks you could share would be much appreciated.  

Anyway, let me know of horror stories and other curious things and I'll share
my experience when I return. Deal?

-- 
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(617) 466-4111     Half a bee, speaking philosophically, must 40 Sylvan Road
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:20:16 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Apr12.182342.27244@dg-rtp.dg.com> goudreau@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
*In article <1992Apr9.211458.5583@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
*> ... comments about `unusual' speed limits and the likelyhood
*> that any effect would be temporary
...
*Some local anecdotal evidence seems to back Richard up on this.
*A bit more than a year ago, some people in a Durham neighborhood
*got the city to change a road's speed limit to 27 mph, on precisely
*the motive described above.  However, according to a recent article
*in the Raleigh paper, traffic engineering surveys have not identified
*any real change in drivers' actual speeds on that road.

i know that road; it's about 5 blocks from my girlfriend's sister's
house.  she (my girlfriend's sister) is an active member of the local
neighborhood association, and was one of the people pushing to get that
limit in place.  i didn't even bother to try and discuss it with her
(and explain why i didn't think that it would be particularly effective.)

the thing is that once you've driven past the sign often enough, you
don't see it anymore (just like you don't see any other speed limit
sign that you've driven past every day for the past n years on your
daily commute.)

richard
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,ne.general
From: Peter A. Cohen <peterco@eff.org>
Subject: Best Cruising Roads in Eastern New England?
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1992 20:23:39 GMT

Spring is in the air and gearheads turn to thoughts of driving...

So, what are the best roads you know of in Eastern New England to take
your favorite internal-combustion-powered vehicle (and your significant
other, if applicable) for a nice, long, spiritually fulfilling, and
scenic drive?

Consider Eastern New England defined as anything within an
hour-and-a-half radius of the Greater Boston area.

- Peter
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: uk09365@nx07.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: Busted!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:59:09 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr13.004010.14185@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Robert.M.McLennan@dartmouth.edu (Robert M. McLennan) writes:
> Damn that instant-on.  I'm driving 70 on I-91 in Massachusetts (speed
> limit:  a whopping 55), and get nailed.  Cop wrote the ticket for 65
> mph = $50 fine.  No big deal - bound to happen sometime.  My question
> is, what policy does Mass. have with regards to reporting tickets to
> other states?  I can handle the fine, but I'd rather not have this on
> my record back in Illinois.  Also, what is standard insurance company
> policy for tickets?  If this is reported, will it affect my rates?  (My
> record is clean right now.)  Thanks in advance for the help.
> 
> Rob

If your driving record is clean and you don't have other tickets or  
(especially) a wreck before the next premium is calculated; your rates  
will probably go up 10%.  This increase will last for three years.  You  
may also lose good driver discounts you might be getting now (eg. for good  
grades in school, drivers ed. training, clear record for 3-5 years etc.)   
Of course this may vary depending on the insurer.

I'm not sure whether MA and IL have reciprocal agreements to share traffic  
violation info.

RIK
From: russell@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (russell.w.keating)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Stereotypical frustrating drivers
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:29:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith) writes:
>Personally, I'm all for turning off turn signals while sitting at long
>lights.  I KNOW YOU'RE TURNING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME ALL DAMNED
>DAY LONG.  A brief informative notion that you're turning is enough,
>but don't wear the message out.  Since you're not going anywhere, who
>gives a damned.

NO!  Think about the other people that come up from behind after the
turning drivers signal is turned off.  Those drivers will see a
bunch of cars with no signals on and figure that everyone is going
straight.  If the turn signal was still on, drivers coming up from
behind would be able to plan accordingly (they could get in another
lane if one was available) so they wouldn't have to sit and wait behind
the cars turning left.

>I'd love to see all cars by the year 1995 or sooner have turn signals
>that automatically shut off after ten blinkeys.

I think that would be terrible.  What is so bad about a turn signal flashing
when it is indicating something (a turn or lane change as compared to
being left on accidentally)?

Russell Keating, N9LIL  -----------> Send email to: russell1@ihlpb.ATT.COM
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: wong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (WONG  Peter Chih Chen)
Subject: Re: ATTN: Canadians! (re: Radar Detectors)
Reply-To: wong@bullet.ecf.utoronto.ca (Peter Wong)
Organization: Dept. of Ind. Eng., U of Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:36:03 GMT

I believe they are legal in British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan,
Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

--Peter