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From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (fat fat fat)
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Subject: Re: Sirtis' body
Date: 10 Nov 1992 08:13:26 GMT
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so basicly your saying she's a short fat broad. that's why her ass is the size of a bus.
maybe she eats too much.

john

From PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu ()
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Subject: Sirtis' body
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:54:50 GMT

Marina Sirtis is actually not fat--she's quite thin, as even cursory inspection
of her protruding collarbones will demonstrate (and God knows, we've had enough
opportunities to inspect them).  What she is, is short. In a world where Petite
fashion models start at 5'7" and runway models hit 6', Sirtis's 5'3" is a lot
less than audiences are used to looking at.  The length-to-width ratio of her
frame is also much smaller: she looks wider than we perceive as correct as a
result.  Compare the ratio of the length of her waist (hip bones to bust) to
the width of her hip bones: it's a lot smaller than, say, Denise Crosby's,
although Crosby's hips are actually just as wide.  Sirtis could lose weight
until she was emaciated (she's not all that far from it now) and her butt would
still look relatively larger than that of a taller, longer-waisted woman. Her
bones are just proportioned shorter and wider than is now thought most
attractive. An analogous analysis can be made of the frames of Burton and
Spiner, one having a much smaller length-to-width ratio than the other. If
Burton was female, we'd probably hear a lot about his butt (or something)
looking too big.
    Sirtis also isn't actually all that busty, though I know that's hard to
believe; she's not much larger than average.  What she is, is well-supported.
It is said that at conventions she will give the name of the manufacturer of
the bustier she wears, which is said to be so tight that she sometimes faints.
Anyone who has been professionally upholstered in such a garment will look like
a test tube with something bubbling out at the top, even if there's not much
natural material to work with. The elevation and curvature attained can be
altered by changing the upholstery, so she may look more busty in some roles
than in others.
     She may be shorter & wider than is now thought most pleasing, but I think
she's a really beautiful woman.
                                            --Patty
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
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Subject: Re: Rascals: Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1992Nov5.211615.26911@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@csd-d-2.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
[spoilers ahead]

[snip]
>     I dare anyone to find fault or annoyance in Alexander's character
>in this episode.

OK.  He apologized to the captain for hitting him with a toy.  A *Klingon*?
Playing with *toys*?  And *apologizing*?  What a wimp.  (I guess that proves
he really is Worf's son, after all :->)

[snip]

>Make my day, Kanamorites.

You feel lucky, punk?  :->
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Rascals:  Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:26:52 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones):
>I almost can't believe these people would decide to go back to being old.

Exacto-precisely.  And why wouldn't there be thousands lining up for
the chance to be "mis-transported"?
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
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From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:22:03 GMT

In article <Bx980L.J85@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:

>  I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of the ST writers simply creating
>a sentient species that can be viewed as consistently inferior.

(I really, really hate to bring this up...)

You mean like the way ST writers write female characters?

						Thor
From: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 
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Subject: "rascals" really really s
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:00 GMT
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Reply-To: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride) 

as Matt J. Martin muttered incoherently to All on 11-03-92  19:15...


 MJM> First of all, we're sick and tired of them using the transporter
      We hate Troi.
 Tonto: What you mean "we", Paleface?

 MJM> this week. The boy who played Picard totally, and I mean totally,
 MJM> was inadequate.  He got better toward the end.  But still quite
 MJM> unconvincing.  He slouched around, whimpered, and generally whined

 Have to partially agree here. He did a good job emulating an adult in a
 child's body, but not _Picard_. The inflections on such things as
 "Come" "engage" (I think), etc. were off.

 MJM> attempt to emulate the image of Picard.  Why the hell was Guinan's
 MJM> voice over-dubbed??!!!  It was intensely  annoying!  Did the director

 Hmm. I didn't notice this. I'll have to look at it again, I thought
 that the actress that played youn Guinan was just exceptionally
 good...mabye not....

 MJM> There were, however, some good points to this episode.  Riker is
 MJM> bull****.

GOd I love "information Management" <g>

 MJM> Picard's line "and room with Wesley Crusher" was a classic.  We
 MJM> love it when Wesley is even indirectly ridiculed.

 Total agreement. I can see a "we" here....

 MJM> The father-son routine was superbly done.  Jocularity, jocularity!

 Agree

 MJM> 1.  As a child, did Keiko revert to a state of virgindom, that is
 MJM> did her hymen regrow?n

 Hmm, and one could guess that from Miles' reaction, he is not a
 decendant of Woody Allen...

 MJM> 3.  Are all Ferengi comeplete stupid, gullible, and unreasonably
 MJM> avaricious?  

Apparently

 MJM> just sort of crop up after Rodenberry kicked off.  I mean, for god's
 MJM> sake, if  they have the technology to kick the E's butt you would think

hmmm. Well, it was actually Klingon technology...BTW did you notice that
Worf looked as if he needed to leave the room....

 MJM> that at least one of them could figure out that Riker's full of s***.

Geez, Picard hasn't figured that out (J/K, I like Riker, I just had to
say that...)

 MJM> Or that their leaders could figure out the complex design of Picard's
 MJM> fish tank.

See above answer....<g>

-=.\=-

... McBorg : 50 million assimilated.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
From: ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Keywords: good and bad parts
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:39:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ficus.ratner.721442376
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

Spoilers follow:


Good points:

 + The humor was awesome.  The first time Worf takes out whats-his-name
   with a palm-heel to the face and Alexander complains that it was too
   easy, I almost died.  And did you see the expression on Worf's face
   when he told Alexander he was beginning to enjoy the program?  Classic.
   However, how come he didn't start the Klingon growling he always uses in
   other battle scenes?

 + Troi (or Trio as someone in a Freudian-slip accidently typed) didn't once
   talk about someone's feelings.  She wasn't the counselor, she
   was the (damn attractive) elusive stranger.  I wished Riker was there
   to play on that scene.

 + Continuity.  Already mentioned in previous posts, no need to elaborate.

 + Data's puzzlement with his cat and why Spot doesn't want Feline Supplement
   #127, and Data's vernacular Old-West language ("Vamouse, ya little varmit").

Bad points:

 - Did anyone besides me find it just a tad unrealistic that when Data and
   Geordi wanted to experiment with the ship's computers, they just go
   ahead with the experiment full-steam ahead?  No "practice runs", no
   simulations, no real tests of the "interface code" (as was apparent).
   Isn't this kind of like me creating a new product, downloading it to
   all machines on the Internet (including yours), and then testing it
   to see if it works?  

 - Explain to me how Worf built this "15 second shield" with the communicators
   and some random piece of a telegraph machine.  If Worf could scrape this
   up that easily, why don't Fed away teams use them on enemy planets?  Why
   doesn't the security officer or team use one regularly?  Or was this
   only a shield that would stop a bullet and not a phaser?  Give me a break
   here.

 - What about Troi's rationalization: "If we finish the program it will have
   to end".  Is this true?  Have we ever seen a program "finish" on the
   Holodeck?  I always thought they were endless-running, and you eventually
   left or saved the current place (like an ongoing, endless movie).

Overall, I enjoyed it, but not quite as much as some of the previous posters.
Can't wait until next week --- I love it when it's the Enterprise vs. Data.

Dave
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From: barry@seas.smu.edu (Robert Barry)
Subject: Re: Rascals and Picard's Heart
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:19:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.085045.28097@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.232729.17286@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>>Wait a minute.
>>
>>It's already well-established that Picard has an artificial heart (ie,
>>"Samaritan Snare." I don't care what the technobabble explanation for the
>>crew getting younger is; if it's an artificial heart (ie, not organic) it
>>could not have its RNA/RVN vanish to make it younger! Yes, its YATI time -
>>if logic was applicable to this episode, Picard should be dead (or at
>>least writhing on the floor of heart failure as it is now too large for his
>>body cavity and has displaced several vital organs)...
>>
>
>
>This is a lame excuse for it, but the only thing I can think of is that perhaps
>the computer completely didn't read in the heart, and gave him a healthy one
>instead, according to his RVN patterns -- his heart must have been okay
>when he was younger.  And anyway, didn't the computer give him his hair back?

This would imply that it gave him the heart that his genes reported should 
exist - i.e. a real heart.  Thus, when he was "aged " again - his heart was
aged.  Thus, he no longer has an artificial heart - its his real one 
recreated from his genetic code.  Wow.

>So it's a stupid excuse.  

I disagree - I like it.

>It was a stupid premise.

Ah, perhaps.

>Firestar

Robert
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rawdon's musings on virginity
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

Warning:  Flames below.

In <1992Nov9.144816.25573@ll.mit.edu> eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin) writes:
>In article <rawdon.721285018@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>|> I was wondering whether Keiko, Ro and Guinan had become virgins again (well,
>|> at least in Keiko's case it would have been "again" :-)  Since Picard's
>|> hair returned, it doesn't seem far-fetched.

>An interesting question, not so much for the question itself but for
>what it says about the asker.

Excuse me, could you be a little more specific about what you mean here?
I'm getting damned sick of defending myself against oblique insults from
people who don't have the balls to be up-front about it.

>				Picard's hair status is an easily observable
>thing. Exactly what physically observable thing would you expect to indicate
>the virginity of Ro and Guinan. No, I am not asking anyone for a lecture
>on anatomy. I know perfectly well what you are thinking of, but you are
>very mistaken if you think this is a true indicator of virginity.

I meant the physical aspect.  I have heard several women say (to *me*) that
the physical aspect of losing virginity for a female is not insignificant.
While it is valid to posit that it was insignificant to these particular
three women based on the information we have (which is none), it is equally
valid to posit that it was NOT.

>Why not
>ask the same question about Picard, the question is about as meaningful
>about him as about them.

Because it is unlikely that he had a hymen to break the first time he
had intercourse.  Sheesh!

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:30:06 EST

In article <Bx980L.J85@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
 
>In article <1d98krINNmlf@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>>"Rascals" spoilers below:
>
 
 
 
 
>  To me it seems inconsistent that the Feregi could have a very sophisticated
>and reliable technological development (all their ships look the same) and
>still be so revoltingly stupid.  And the writers seem not to care for
>differentiating social stupidity from technical stupidity.  Not only are the
>greedy and obnoxious, but they can't even realize it when Rikers bullshits
>them about the computer.  Their Captian was couldn't figure out the fishtank
>for God's sake!!  I'm not at all impressed with the writers of ST when they
>dabble in this kind of social irresponsibility.  They have completely
>disregarded everything that makes ST unique in the world of commercial
>entertainment.  For shame!!
>
It's my impression that the Ferengi are not very technologically advanced.
They simply buy or steal technology from others.  They can operate
sophisticated technology, but they don't understand it.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
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Subject: Saturday Night Review - "Rascals" !SPOILERS!
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:26:04 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


Not at all live from River Falls, Wisconsin.....

it's the Saturday Night Review!!!

This week:
"Rascals"


SPOILERS AHEAD!





SPOILERS!









"Rascals" came out quite a bit better than I thought it would be, particularly
the child bits.  All four actors playing the main characters did tremendous
jobs, particulary Guinan and Ro, and Picard turned out much better than I
thought.   
The trouble with the episode was the Ferengi plot.  Such an idea was once
a script I had a mind to write, and almost started, until I tossed the
idea in the rubbish bin because I thought it was far too simplistic and
that the TNG staff would _never_ accept such a thing.
I am much happier after this episode of my prospects of finding employment
in the authorial realm....

Why, oh why couldn't this be one of those "just life" episodes with the kid
stuff thrown in?  That could have been interesting enough in itself, but
instead that good stuff has to share the limelight with a giant of a cliched
plot, and as Tim put it, the "Scooby Doo" ending to it all.  

However, even with all those bad points with the taking over the shp business,
and that pretty damn convenient energy wave hitting the shuttle, this episode
had a lot of good stuff in it, most notably Picard's scenes commanding the
retake of the ship, his conversation with Troi, and the quite wonderful
interplay between Guinan and Ro.  I really liked how Guinan, the oldest of
them all, turned out to be the one who most enjoyed it all.
The "Daddy" bits were brilliantly funny too....

So, about half the episode was very interesting indeed and extremely 
humorous too (for a very welcome change), and the other half was as cliched
as TNG has ever been.  

That averages to a 5, but because I like humor, and because we need a lot
more of it in TNG, I'll boost that to a 6 for this week's offering.


One word about next week's upcoming "A Fistful of Datas.".....
Anyone out there notice a trend?  _Every_ single great science fiction 
series has to have one _terrible_ Wild West episode?  It's like its
a prerequisite or is required in the science fiction series licensing
board...."Doctor Who" had one, "The Prisoner" had one, TOS had one,
and even "Blake's 7" had a "shoot-out" episode.....


Steven.K.Manfred



              



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From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
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Subject: "Rascals" <---> "A Piece of the Action"  *SPOILERS*
Date: 8 Nov 1992 17:35:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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	Spoilers for "Rascals"...

	How many of you were reminded of Kirk and "Sonny" from "A Piece
of the Action" when Young Indiana Picard went into his "I want my Daddy
NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!" tantrum?  And Frakes got in some wonderful mugging
at the camera, especially the "He's my Number One Daddy" hug...

	Check your brain at the door and laugh at it.  Otherwise you'll
cry...
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From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
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Subject: Re: Religion and Star TrekDIR
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:05:52 EST

In article <1992Oct30.145619.2155@access.usask.ca>, skeeter@skatter.usask.ca writes:
> From article <Bwwp0q.1w5@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, by pealbers@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul E. Albers):
>> In article <1992Oct28.223938.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jnigrin@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>>
>>>My sense is that in Roddenberry's vision of the future, enlightened 
>>>humanism supplants all our 20th Century insecurities and needs, such 
>>>as that for religion.  In the TOS episode "Balance of Terror," isn't 
>>>some kind of nondenominational mumbling part of the wedding ceremony?
>> 
>> If that realy was what Roddenberry thought he had a very poor understanding
>> of religion.  Like emotions, religion is not a sign of weakness, it is a
>> source of strength.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> 
> Isn't needing a source of strength, in itself, a sign of weakness?
> 
> --
> skeeter@skatter.usask.ca			no nifty .sig
> 
> The weight of one's wallet is inversly proportional to the size of
> one's heart.   -- me 
Sorry, but relegion is mentioned throughout the show. Such as in Data's Day, he
mentions several releigious holidays. And there is that episode about that
omnipotent being that has the ship trapped (imagine that) and wants to do
experiments about death that would involve killing 1/3 of the ship. Data and
Troi (which aren't reall Data and Troi, but that omnipotant being) quiz Piccard
about life after death.

The only thing that bugs me nearly as bad as having guy with a holier-than-thou
attitude trying to shove his system of beliefs down my throught is having some
athiest get all smug and superior because they think that anyone with religious
belief is either stupid or simply hasn't thought about it clearly.

                                         --ollie
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From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart on Broadway - Question
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:35:54 GMT

Here's the info:
A Christmas Carol with Patrick Stewart
Dec. 15, 1992 to Jan. 3, 1993
Broadhurst Theatre, 235 W44th Street, 212-239-6200
Tickets are $45 and $40
They accept Vica, MC, AE, cheque, money order
If you order tickets through the mail send your cheque, etc. to:
Telecharge
P.O. Box998
Time Square Station
NY, NY
10108-0998

You might want to double check this by calling the theatre.

Have fun and tell us all about it!
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Young Picard == Picard's Nephew in "Family"?
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <721385970.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP> Tom.Hall@f1.n342.z1.ttlg.UUCP (Tom Hall) writes:
<Several of us watching "Rascals" were of the opinion that the actor
<who played the young Picard was the same kid who played Renee,
<Picard's nephew, in "Family" a couple of seasons ago....
<
<Can anyone confirm this?

Yep.  Pulling out my handy-dandy ST:TNG Program Guide, I checked that the person
mentioned is the one and the same.
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From: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram)
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Subject: Re: Rascals--can they mak
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: scott.schram@the-matrix.com (Scott Schram)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

LU>>7) Another question:  why can't Picard simply regain computer access?
LU>>Doesn't that imply a lack of authority on the ship if the captain can't even
LU>>get control of command functions?

LU>Most of the computer commands are done by voice. The computer wouldn't
LU>have recognized young-Picard's voice. Now as to why there are no
LU>backup manual entry passwords or something....

Right, someone might have laryngitis.
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