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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: In favor or rally scoring...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:57:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.200928.18230@brtph560.bnr.ca>, alank@bnr.ca (Alan King) writes:
|> 
|> From the rash of recent posts, I appear to be in the very
|> small majority of v-ball players who actually likes rally
|> scoring.  And, yes, I played before rally scoring was
|> introduced.  I agree that it affects the game, but I don't
|> think it adversely affects the game.
|> 
|> As a player, I enjoy the challenge of serving and playing
|> agressively knowing that any mistakes result in points for
|> the opposition.
|> 
|> As a team member, I enjoy being rewarded for having a solid
|> offense that can sideout effectively to score points. (Remember,
|> in normal scoring, the offense scores sideouts, and the defense
|> scores points.  IMHO, a perfect game = 15 straight blocks.)

      I agree on all points( no sarcasm there ;) ). The only rule that
      differs between rally-point scoring and 'regular' scoring is the 
      fact that a sideout causes the serving team to lose a point. Rally-point
      scoring is usually only implemented when time is really tight; doesn't
      look like a major change in the rules here.

      If the players attitudes change, they should - your offensive strategy
      has to be tight or you'll lose more points than normal.
 
|> 
|>     < Joys of being a fan nuked for brevity... >
 
|> Here's the results of the latest poll:
|> 
|>               Against: 173,428
                          ^^^^^^^
|>                   For:       1

       Where did you get this? Me thinks your calculator is working in
       recursive mode! ;)
    
|> 
|> Good luck to all teams (and refs) at Barcelona!
|> 
|> -Alan
|> 

 ditto. 
 Get Vertical!
 Scott

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From: ress@bnr.ca (David Ress P040)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: In favor or rally scoring...
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:05:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

In article <1992Jul30.200928.18230@brtph560.bnr.ca>, alank@bnr.ca (Alan King) writes:
|> 
|>               Against: 173,428
|>                   For:       1
|> 
|> Good luck to all teams (and refs) at Barcelona!
|> 
|> -Alan
|> 
New tally:
     Against: 173,428
         For:       2
  Even though we lost a tournament final 17-16 in rally point scoring.  It
  was truly a test of confidence and wills.  The losing point?  - a teammate
  missing a jump serve at 16-16, but I had a lot of respect for him for
  going for it.  The other team was siding out easily as we began tossing over
  lollipop serves.  Just like the elements in outdoor volleyball, you have to
  use it or lose it.
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: my feet are killing me!
Date: 31 Jul 1992 19:09:25 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <Bs9o77.Knz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider) writes:
|> Lately I've been playing volleyball 3-4 times a weeks, and my feet are
|> killing me.  I'm intending to buy new shoes in about a month, but I'm
|> wondering if anyone has had any luck with some sort of foam (or other
|> type) inserts.
|> -- 
|> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|> !! Mike Schneider schneid@jerry.stat.uiuc.edu !!
|> !! University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign !!
|> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try Sorbothane Ultrasoles - They are very rugged (will probably outlast
your shoes) and contain  a visco-elastic polymer (their words not mine)
that was originally designed to dampen vibration.  I had used their product
in applications at work before I saw the insoles.  I bought them and really
like the way they feel.


Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge Ma 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: pyle@intellistor.com (Norm Pyle)
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT*
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.155641.610@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>
>Wait a second, the Japanes team got shellacked by the USA team this past year.  They 
>were 0-2 in matches against the US, 0-6 in games.  In terms of overall ability, 
>the US is far superior than the Japanes, but they just plain outhustled the US team.  They got a bunch of digs and blocks and were able to play great fundamental ball, i.e.
>passing, hitting etc.  So yes, the Japanese outplayed the Americans, but the American
>talent was good enough to win even though they played like shit.

This is an old argument.  Because the US is more talented they don't deserve
to win the close ones?  Its not talent that counts, it is the final score.
They outplayed the Japanese, by a nat's *ss.  Note that I am not trying to
say that they outhustled the Japanese, or played the fundamentals better, or
any other thing.  They just played good enough volleyball to barely beat a
fired up underdog.  Give them that much credit.  This ignores the protest,
of course.

Norm
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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!)
Subject: USA vs Japan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:35:42 GMT

so, after watching the awesome match, i had to wonder what was going to 
happen with that apparent blown call by the refs.  what can they do?  if they
can't review the call he made on timmons (saying he was over the 10 ft. line
on that one hit), how can they review the match and determine how many
warnings samuleson got and then overturn the call?  either way i think that
most refs are wimps anyway, not letting you say anything to them at all before
getting a yellow card.  things just get too intense to be that tight-assed
about being yelled at.  any thoughts out there?

jay				GO USA!!!!
-------------------------------------------------
too bad you can't just grab a tree
by the very tiptop and bend it clear
over the ground and then let her fly,
because i bet you'd be amazed at all
the stuff that comes flying out.     -Jack Handey
-------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA/ Cuba vs. Holland 
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:36:27 GMT

In article 21365@cs.utwente.nl, msmit@cs.utwente.nl (Michel Smit) writes:
>It is a shame the USA lost the game against Japan this way. Instead
>of giving the second yellow card, the referee should have given him
>a yellow and red card thus sending him out of the field for the rest
>of the set. This way timmons would have been punished personaly
>instead of the whole team. 
>
>Its time the 1st refs learn to listen to the 2e ref and the
>line refs instead of making own calls. How can a good referee watch the
>top of the net and at the same time see the ball spiked out ??
>Although i have seen some very bad calls this olympics, players also 
>behave badly. If you have seen Cuba - Holland you know what i mean. 
>The Cuba players  gave the world a course 'how to shout to the referee
>constantly and get award for it by getting a lot of dubious points'.
>It is a good thing 'we' will beat them in final.
>(sorry USA team but i don't think you make it this time)
>
>
>Lots of fun with the rest of the games.
>
>Michel
> 


I believe that it was Bob Samuelson who got the yellow cards.  Timmons acted up a bit, but he didn't get carded.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Subject: USA v. Japan comments
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:48:34 GMT

For those of you who didn't have the opportunity to see the USA v.
Japan match on Triplecast:

1. Team USA can't pass.  Yesterday versus Japan, the passing just
wasn't good enough.  There were some *ugly* shanks.  USA's poor
passing was in sharp contrast to Japan's crisp, crisp passing.

2. Team USA can't serve.  All six starters served easy floaters that
Japan just ate up.  Only Samuelson and Sato had jump serves and they
were not particularly effective.  

One guy on the Japanese team served the skyball!!!!.  The very first
time, Fortune shanked, but luckily, Japan was in the net.

3. The USA outside attack was not particularly effective.  This was in
sharp contrast to Japan's outside.  In one word, Nakagaichi.  He
singlehandlely killed USA.  He had 50+ kills.

4. Timmons carried Team USA with his attacks, particularly from
backrow.  He also had 50+ kills.  The middle hits were also very
effective.

5. Blocking?  What's that?

6. Japan's backrow was very good.  USA's got better as the match
progressed.  Best non-dig was Stork's trapping/catching a hit between
his left arm and leg.

USA didn't lose because of the officiating.  They lost because Japan
outplayed them.  


Cheers,
*swfc

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Shu-Wie F Chen                               Department of Computer Science
swfc@cs.columbia.edu                         Columbia University
From: rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Out of Bounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:07:54 GMT
Organization: Process Automation Center


 As long as the person at position 1 did not interfere with anyone on 
your side of the court and did not step foot on your court, then this
is not a violation.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: So Jim doesn't have to repeat himself ... (joke)
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:04:49 GMT

Upon seeing The Name of:

>>__________________________________________________________________
>>Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
>>----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------

kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..) writes:
>ummm, any relation to the big guy himself?

No, none at all, according to Jim himself.  But it's been a while since
his last post on the subject.

Maybe this should be a FAQ!  :-)  :-)

(No offense intended.  I meant that it's inevitable, with the massive
increase in popularity that vb is experiencing right now (am I right?),
and the hordes of eager young players who subscribe to this newsgroup
every day (no coughing, please), that some of these new readers will
make the same connection, and wonder the same thing, and every few
months or so somebody will ask this same question ...)

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: A1.KAK@isumvs.iastate.edu (TRAVIS MCGEE)
Subject: Re: Coaching books
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:30:33 GMT

>
>Can anyone give me the names of some good books on coaching
>volleyball?  I'm particularly interested in books that include good
>clear descriptions of drills.  I've seen some of the books like
>"Pass Set Crush" (or something close to that), but they're directed
>more to individual skills.  Thanks in advance.

  I might suggest a book titled, "Championship Volleyball Techniques
and dirlls" by Sue Gozansky. It was published in 1983, so I am not
sure if you can still find it in local bookstores.  It is a good
book for team drills if you can get past the stick figures and the
motivational maxims.  Hope it is of some help.

Kevo
From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Team USA gets rattled!
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:05:41 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul27.205701.16429@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>,
kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>I think our U.S. team is just as bad as the experts say. They aren't favored
>to win the Silver let alone the Gold, but the way they played against Japan
>by allowing one hitter to "eat them alive", they deserved the loss. I am glad
>the Japanese got the appeal, I hope the team will learn from the experience
>and "kick ass" before this is over. This humbling experience shoudl get their
>egos out of the clouds and now they will be able to play REAL volleyball.
>And someone please "shoot" Samuelson!


And give us Ivie back and also someone to replace Fortune, someone who can
pass...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT*
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:56:41 GMT

In article Kos@news.cso.uiuc.edu, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes:
>As to the statement of Japan outplaying USA.  If the protest wasn't upheld who
>would have won the match?
>
>Tony -
>--
>
>Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
>	the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind -         //~____/  ~\\
>		mullen@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu                     \\~    \  ~//
>                                                                  one_kill!


Wait a second, the Japanes team got shellacked by the USA team this past year.  They 
were 0-2 in matches against the US, 0-6 in games.  In terms of overall ability, 
the US is far superior than the Japanes, but they just plain outhustled the US team.  They got a bunch of digs and blocks and were able to play great fundamental ball, i.e.
passing, hitting etc.  So yes, the Japanese outplayed the Americans, but the American
talent was good enough to win even though they played like shit.

---
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*Peter Wung				Email:wung@ee.gatech.edu	   * 
*Electric Power Laboratory		Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
*School of Electrical Engineering		    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
*Georgia Institute of Technology				    	   *        *Atlanta, Georgia							   *
*   	"Pass, Set, CRUSH!"...						   * 
*  	Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad for a short, fat guy.  		   *
*									   *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: jsandler@encore.com (Jeff Sandler)
Subject: And...
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:38:26 GMT

Wasn't THAT a good subject?

Anyway, thanks to everyone who gave me advice for my tournament..
Unfortunately, one of the three people didn't bother to show up!
(Grumble)
Probably just as well, since I was kinda sick..but I wasn't going
to let that stop me..:)

Here is a brief summary of responses..I havn't put them all together
yet, but will do so soon..
Eat carbos during the week before..(pasta, etc)
Drink coffee if you want to in the morning..but make sure you drink
lots of water if you do.
Even if you don't drink coffee, make sure you drink lots of water.
Most said drink something like gatorade during the tournament.
Take some food - suggestions were:
Popcorn
Bananas
Apples
Light Sandwhiches
Take a towel

When I get a chance, I'll put a more detailed report together.

Now, my next question:
I'll be going back to Tallahassee in a few weeks.
I know there is open play at Leech on Tuesdays and Thursdays..
<Or there was last semester>..
Where else can I play?  I'm looking for club type stuff...if anyone
knows anything about the area.
I'm 'decent'..5'9, 30" vertical..we were going to play A division
at that tournament..and it looked to be about right for us..but
then again, it wasn't a real big tournament.
What I REALLY need is a place where I can just get reps in doing
stuff.  And a coach to tell me what I'm doing wrong, and how to
do it right.  I get a good bit of game experience..but that can only
take you so far.  My form needs work..

I hear there is a city league in Tallahassee..anyone know about it?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks in advance!

--
Jeff Sandler                            |   Go Florida State Seminoles!
jsandler@encore.com                     |   Go Mets! (Until Marlins start)
Encore Computer Corp.; Plantation, FL   |   Go Dolphins!     Go Heat!

Xref: sparky rec.sport.volleyball:1586 soc.culture.brazil:1860
From: cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Results Brazil vs Netherlands (was Re: what about the other teams?)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:01:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul29.215812.5455@athena.cs.uga.edu> RIBEIRO@bscf.uga.edu (BERGMANN RIBEIRO) writes:
>Hi guys, Is anyone out there interested in the other teams playing in the 
>olympics? I just see US news here. I would like to know who are the favorites
>to win the gold medal and the results of other games so far. So please anyone?
>Thank you (GO BRAZIL! GO!)

Just in: Brazil vs Netherlands
	   15		 9
	   15		 3
	   11		15
	   15		 7

For all Brazilian fans (including myselfy): 3 down, 6 more to go. Looking 
good...

-- 
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Private: 322 S. Reno St. Apt. 301 - Los Angeles CA 90057, tel. 736-5221
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umsk@unixg.ubc.ca (HanJoo Eom)
Subject: Re: Out of Bounds
Keywords: Off the Court
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:37:19 GMT

It is not a fault as long as he does not touch any part of the net.
If the ball being hit by him has already hit the floor, then
that is not a problem.  However, if the ball is still in the air,
he cannot do anything with the ball, if he does, it is illegal.  

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:29:57 GMT

   No no no... When you are playing a USVBA/Yankee tournament, there are
usually 2 (sometimes 3 or 4) courts being played on at once. Most times
they are all lined up next to each other with no partitions between the
courts. So, if you play a ball and set into the court that is next to
you, you are in an unplayable area and the ball is dead. Point/sideout.
Ope, that up there is step and not set. Step into the court... (this
editor really stinks...) But anyway, you have about 6' and that is it.


                                            - Drummer -
 
 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:20:32 GMT

In <GEOFF.92Jul22130637@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com> geoff@flash.bellcore.com writes:

> 
> Funny, we used to take pride in accurately passed spike returns, ace serves,
> and such like.  To each their own (:-).
> 

It's getting warm here in rec.sport.volleyball.cyberspace !-)

Evil "Maybe It's Time to Get Back to Work" Twin -
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Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
	the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind -         //~____/  ~\\
		mullen@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu                     \\~    \  ~//
                                                                  one_kill!
From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Olympics!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:18:22 PST
Organization: BBS

Well, I'm sure this newsgroup will be crawling with comments on this topic for
the next two weeks (and probably more) so I just thought I'd start things
off...

What the hell was with that USA vs Japan match???  First of all, the
officiating was very poor.  I mean with instant replay, we could see many plays
that the ref screwed up on.  And as for NBC, what kind of coverage was that?  I
DO NOT want to see no features on Barcelona's night life in the middle of a
volleyball match.  Why didn't they just show the whole thing instead of the
bits and pieces?  You figure that anyone watching in the wee mornings are
pretty commited to the game.  Last but not least, the protest and junk.  I
don't know what to think here.  Yeah we should have lost the match on
Samuelson's mouth but the refs screwed up (again!).  Japan didn't file a
protest properly but they still got the game and ruling overturned.

No Ivie?  It's going to be tough...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: Say...
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:18:50 GMT

umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
>... Do they [TripleCast] ever show the warmups before the matches?
>Like, the hitting lines for instance?

Sometimes when OTC switches to the vb locale before the match begins,
you can see the hitting lines in the background as Rosenbloom & Kilgour
give the pre-match spiel.  Other times, we join the match in progress.
:-| An OTC program guide was published in this week's TV Guide, but NBC
has been taking pretty extensive liberties with the actual times.
(Sometimes they have no choice, e.g. all vb matches are scheduled for 2
hours, but the 5-gamers go 2:30 or longer and overflow.)

OTC Blue _does_ stay in the gym through all time-outs and between all
games, which is neat.  (No need to pause the VCR. :-))

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu



Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,mit.bboard
From: amd@ghost.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Open Volleyball - Concord, MA
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:19:19 GMT



	OPEN VOLLEYBALL   (indoor)

	Monday and Wednesday 7:30 pm
	Concord Academy, Concord MA

	$5.00/night

	Contact: Bob Boudreau (617) 899-2750 
	or send me e-mail for more info.


	The level of play is usually pretty good, it's a couple
	of cuts above recreational play.  Somewhere around 'C' level 
	although we get several players better than that.
	Beginners are welcome, everyone is pretty friendly about showing
	new people the ropes, no-one will make you feel like an idiot or
	anything.
	
	Come check it out.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones,AMJ1,)
Subject: Re: USA vs Spain Results???
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:54:05 GMT

In article 7094@Princeton.EDU, ethchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edwin T. Chen) writes:
>
>Anyone know the results of the match with Spain last night?  Only
>caught four games of it.  Thanks!
>

I recorded it and watched it this morning.  The US WON, 3 games to 2, winning 
the 5th game 15-11 (speed/rally scoring).

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com