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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:16:18 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <36740005@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:


>	been "nothin'"  so if I take ten shots....  10 X 'nothin' is
>	still 'nothin'.  Well, ok.  There's more paint.  But more
>	pain?  
>
>	I know why it would not be desirable.
>
>	I would like to know why it is (apparently) such a big deal.

If you like, I would be more than happy to demontrate on your person (after
proper safety attire has been worn; goggles, wrap-around mask, cup) with a
fast triggered semi-auto.
Point is paintball shots aren't 'nothin'.  Paintball shots always have the 
capacity to cause serious injury.  Just because you never had experienced
bruising shot doesn't mean all hits are nothing.  The fact is the majority
of paintball hits are nothing is because of stringent safety rules and
required safety equipment protecting us from all except the extreme of
circumstances.  When was the last time you saw a player limp off the field or
hauled to the hospital?  Many faceless people have worked long and hard to
make this sport safe and acceptable to the general public.
B
>	I was actually considering designing a game where constant/multiple
>	hits were PART of the game... where no one is _out_.  You just
>	use paint impacts to "convince" people to 'back-off'.  The more
>	paint they eat, the more they are convinced :-).
>
>	-Mike-
If you do, then don't forget to make substantial allowances for safety.

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HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: TIPPMANN   PRO/AM   TIPS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:40:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.130741.2742@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>
>I have no idea which barrel is better.  I was thinking about buying both 
>barrels and testing them during a weekend and returning the less spectacular
>of the two.  If performance was based on looks, I would go for the Armson.

Gee, they let you do that?  Gotta try that with the local dealer...


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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: whine whine
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:20:16 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello Henry!

In a message of <Saturday October 03 1992>, Henry Chan (1:143/8) writes:

 >> If the game have become spray and pray, that is because REAL combat

 HC> I disagree again.  Nearly all of the current generation of battle rifles
 HC> have a 3 round burst mode.  The military learn a long time ago that spray
 HC> and pray tactics are ineffective and waste ammo.  They prefer the foot
 HC> soldier to use aimed shots because of experience in real combat. BTW not
 HC> everyone plays Paintball so they can experience REAL combat.  I
 HC> play because it is fun.  Whee!  (^-^)

Hmmm, I can remember a few "mad minutes" back in 'Nam that payed off...... <<grin>>  But I agree with you, just had to add a delimiter...

Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:02:14 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1b0freINNr41@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster) writes:
>kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>
>>>>might try a night game with night goggles some time.
>>>
>>>US price was US$5,000 and up.  How much does a pair run in your neck of the
>>>woods, anyway?
>>>
>>eastern type about $700 up
>
>What is an 'eastern type' night vision system? 
>
I think Peter meant Eastern Bloc.  With the distintegration of the former
German Democratic Republic; the surplus market has been flooded with tons
of Eastern Bloc military curios.  Not too long ago in sci.military an article
was posted with news of how the former Soviet Airforce was selling MiG-21s
for as little as $100,000 in hard currency (thats cheaper than some prop
Cessnas).
>

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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: JT X-FIRE QUESTION
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:04:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Howdy all you wonderful peoples in netland!!

I'm wondering if anybody out there uses the JT X-Fire system.  I'm considering
changing from the regular JT system to the X-Fire.  What are your
likes/dislikes and what advantages does it have over the 'lower level'
mask. 
 
Thanks for the info!!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cory R. Emmertson (sl1t4@cc.usu.edu)     IPPA #4743
Captain Team Maelstrom (900th name change)
Faithful Sniper II user!!!               NAPRA---eventually                   
(Bud Orr is my hero!!)
From: dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Black Rain conversion
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:55:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct6.155308.24510@ifi.unizh.ch>, kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (ku
nz peter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.174554.9617@philabs.philips.com> sew@philabs.philips.com (
Scott E. Wakeman) writes:
>>|> >
>>|> >    If you get a chance , can you post the info on getting your gun setup
>>|> >  with this conversion, cost etc...   ????
>>|> >
>>|> back bottle $249
>>|> bottom line $289
>>|>
>oh, btw, are these also the us prices?
>
>>     jeeesh ... I'll stick with hand warmers taped to the tank ...
>>
>are they legal? i rtead in a rulebook something about lighters not
>allowed... any tourny players out there?
>
>
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>
Tournaments I've played stated any type of artificial heat sources is not
legal. I would consider hand warmers in this category.

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From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball gun good or bad?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:31:43 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

About the Bushy,
    Line SI the manufacturer of the Bushmaster was my teams previous
sponsor and I have had quite a bit of personal, team, weekend, and
tournament experience with the gun.  Here are the pro's and con's and
tips.

PRO'S
    Yes it is a good gun
    It is a pump gun meaning that you must pump before every shot
    It has an auto-trigger which allows you to hold down the trigger and
shoot as fast as you can pump
    When tuned correctly it can be the smoothest pumping and most CO2
efficient gun out there
    Barrel removal and gun take down is insanely fast
    Very light
    Very accurate

CON'S
    It requires a good deal of attention and cleaning
    It breaks power tubes often if you shoot more than 500 rounds/day
    It requires a lot of aftermarket parts and airsmith work to make it
tournament ready
    Line SI is not a very prominent company now and doesn't have the
large user and distributer base it used to.(for extra parts and service
etc.)
    
TIPS
    The spring kit is good but an adjustable interlocking bolt and
hammer set from LAPCO in San Diego is the only way to go
    Never buy a gun that you have not played with before
    The price is right and it could give you many years of fun
    You would be better off with the far more durable Bud Orr pump gun
available from Worr Game Prod. in L.A. California.  You cannot hurt that
gun and it will never need servicing or the aftermarket parts.  It is
the gun I use and I love it.  If I were you I would hold out and save up
you will be happier in the long run.
    Zander of the IRONMEN
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Question: Is Medical help available at games??
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:19:10 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <Bw84Iq.MI6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:
> I was wondering due to the recent string of articles about multiple hits,
> whether or not if medical help is available at the games.  I heard once that
> the referees have some medical training.  I was just wondering what training
> do the referees have and/or if there are professionally trained people such as
> paramedics, EMT-Is, EMT-As, or WEMT(Wilderness Emergency Medical Technicians)
> on duty.

Varies from field to field.  I ref on the field my team uses from time to time
and I am a licenced first responder, the operator of the field was a medic in
the military so we are fairly well prepared to deal with situations.  
 
Normally what I have had to deal with is minor soft tissue injuries and those
rotten stinging critters (bees, wasps, whatever).  We had one player get around
20 hits from a bee hive he disturbed.  He didn't have any ill effects on-scene,
but I strongly advised him to go to a hospital and get the necessary treatment,
which, fortunately, he did.
 
I have played on fields where the operators were fairly clueless in regards to
EMS, so if you are playing on a team, it's not a bad idea to have a player or
two who have some sort of EMS training.  First Responter or EMT seems
appropriate.  I'm just a lowly First Responder and I have never had anything
happen that I couldn't handle.  
 
I operate as EMS for my team and I would suspect more teams would will start
looking into the idea of a "combat medic" just in case the fields don't have
any.  Safety is *your* responsiblity.
 
Hell, advanced first aid and CPR doesn't take that long to do, we did all that
in the first couple nights of my training. I bet you could get all that
training in a couple nights at your local red cross.  EMT, First Responder and
the like is, for the most part, overkill since the most numerous injuries I
have seen are bee stings, sprains, and soft tissue stuff.  

 (I'm irked because I can't use any
of my extrication training, the team hasn't been responsive for my requests to
buy things like air chistles, jaws, etc.  Bastards. )
 
If you can get an EMT at your field. Great. If not, have a couple people on
your team (or get it yourself if you are not on a team) go through the first
aid/cpr classes.
 

> 
> 
> -- 
> Ted Jan                    EMT-A                        | To save a Life in |
> tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   Basic Life Support Certified | Defeat is to Earn |
> University of Illinois     First Aid Instructor         | Victory....       |
> Champaign/Urbana           Community CPR Instructor     |                   |
 
Lord sakes, I didn't see your .sig till now, Ted.  Guess I'm preaching to the
choir, you know more about this than i do. :)
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program
 
(Lowly First Responder)
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:36:16 GMT

mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
> 	What's wrong with being lit up?  
> 	Really...
> 	Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?

When I get shot by a paintball one, or more, of the following happens:

    1.  Pain.
    2.  Scars (I have several).
    3.  Bleeding wounds (I get 1 in every 5 days I play).
    4.  Bruises (I get at least one per day.)
    
When I get "lit up", these happen multiple times...

> 	I've never been lit up myself.... but taking single hits has
> 	been "nothin'"  so if I take ten shots....  10 X 'nothin' is
> 	still 'nothin'.  Well, ok.  There's more paint.  But more
> 	pain?  
> 
> 	I know why it would not be desirable.
> 
> 	I would like to know why it is (apparently) such a big deal.

Some people are tougher and/or have a higher pain threshold (or are
luckier :-) than others.   A shot that is nothin' to you could very
well be a bruise or disfigurement to somebody else.

I've been shot many (MANY :-) times.  Mostly they just sting.  Sometimes
the leave a bruise.  Sometimes they draw blood.  The more shots the
more likely you are to get into the real painful stuff.

> 	I was actually considering designing a game where constant/multiple
> 	hits were PART of the game... where no one is _out_.  You just
> 	use paint impacts to "convince" people to 'back-off'.  The more
> 	paint they eat, the more they are convinced :-).

I'm sure I'd hate this game but if you can find others who like
it go ahead.   It could be difficult to find insurance though...

Rob.
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From: jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint (expensive) toys in Paintball games
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:10:06 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:

>>>might try a night game with night goggles some time.
>>
>>US price was US$5,000 and up.  How much does a pair run in your neck of the
>>woods, anyway?
>>
>eastern type about $700 up

What is an 'eastern type' night vision system? 


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Kansas State University   [                                                   ]
From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Get off the Combat  Thing
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:14:34 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey Guys,
	I am not trying to tell anyone what to post on billboards I would
simply like to see the comparison of killing and paintball stay aas far
away from eachother as possible and this format is just as public as a
national publication.  If I saw the same type of comparisons made in
those publications  I would send a letter to the editor, and indeed I
have.
	On the note of the Ironmen's combat techniques being borrowed from
anything I beg to differ, none of us have ever received any military
training, and I think that the utilization of military tactics are what
kill a lot of teams.   The fact that everyone on our team can think
instead of having 99% mindless pawns as in military stategy sets us eons
ahead of any war this country has fought since the Revolution.  Besides
all our stratagies were originated out of playing Paintball every week
and whether or not they bare some likeness to something done in the past
or present by the military is indeed irrelevent.

"Football, soccer, chess, hockey, paintball, the list goes on and on.
All share common threads which require the defeat of the opposition
within the constraints of the rules of the game."

	This is very true J.H. and by your own logic this sets paintball and
these other sports further from war because in war there are no rules,
as is clearly depicted by our last war where we killed hundreds of
thousands without ever even looking into their eyes.
	As far as corperate sponsorship goes the more cash pumped into the
sport the cheaper it will become.  There are already several amateur
circuits around including Lively's new division at each tourny that
allows amateur teams to essentially play it out for the sponsors that
will get them to the pro-circuit.  The more cash in the sport the better.
	Again as a firm believer in the First Amendment I do agree that you may
write anyhting you want I simply think that those types of things are
potentially harmful to the sport that we all love.  This is a simple
question of timing and placement not censorship.  Just like it would be
out of place and would cast the wrong impression if people posted their
sexual fantasies on this board.
				Zander of the IRONMEN
From: jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: simunition
Date: 8 Oct 1992 00:17:49 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

glock@chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto) writes:

>I have heard about rounds in many calibers called simunition: it shoots a 
>small paint-pellet at 300 fps from real guns.  Can someone email me the 
>manufacturer's name, address, and phone #?

The latest Special Duty (aka US Cavalry) catalog lists Simunition in .38 Spc for$59.95/100. US Cav can be contacted at:

1-800-333-5102
US Cavalry
2855 Centennial Ave.
Radcliff, KY 40160-9000


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Kansas State University   [                                                   ]

Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:02:03 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Get Off the combat thing.

   Please refrain from comparing our sport to actual combat the two are
completely unrelated.
    I have attended every anti war demonstration that I am able and been
arrested for it several times.  I am also on one of the best teams to
ever grace grace our sport.  This however could never get me aim a real
gun at anyone.  Better a good run than a bad fight.  And I have never
seen a good one.
    You will probably call me an un American pansie, liberal, commie,
but I love this country and I love this sport, and it is attitudes such
as the ones posted on this board that are standing in the way of this
sport and major corperate sponsorship.
    My team was given shoes by Nike but could not wear the patch or
advertize outside of word of mouth due to their support of the anti
handgun lobby.
    Think about it...Keep your war stories on the war stories billboard.
        
        Zander of the Ironmen
From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: F-1 Illustrator
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:47:36 GMT
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Is there any documentation that comes with an F-1?

	I just recently purchased a used F-1 and realized that
all of the cool things that I know about it (cleaning and unjamming) came
other owners and not from the manual that should have come with a new
gun.  Anyone got one they could send me or know where I can get one?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: NEW PROSPECT
From: glcutshall@acs.harding.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:00:42 -0500
Reply-To: glcutshall@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University


I'm working on a research for a possible client, who wants to start up a
paintball facility. If anyone can give me some info.. on liabilities involved..
do so... Does anyone know about the facility in memphis tennessee?


Jerry Cutshall
Harding University
Searcy, Ar 72149
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Illustrator parts
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:51:32 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Oct6.164254.25085@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>In article <BvKIsq.J0K@medar.com> jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour) writes:
>>>will they also handle calls on broken connecting pins? we kill one every
>>>outing or so.... any solutionm to the problme yet?
>>
>>Whoa!  You're talking about the pin that connects the lower and upper
>>bolts?  Sounds like something is seriously wrong here.  I'm not saying
>>
>well, next to orings, they're the most wanted f1 spare part.
>
   It's my understanding that there is a new type of connecting pin.
   The original pin was apparently too brittle and could shear, though
   I have rarely seen it happen.  I did get another pin from our local
   airsmith, and it is supposed to be made of a softer and more
   resilient alloy.  Probably 80% of the paintguns I see in use around
   this part of the country are Illustrators.  Autocockers and Automags
   are the next most common.

   -Bill Carter
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: military surplus
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.162740.25881@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> toblackstock@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
>Following on some of the comments concerning military surplus, I would
>like to find some new sources for military gear, especialy obscure
>and foreign surplus.  Sure, US Cav and MASS are great places, but
>you can't find Swiss, Italian, Spanish, etc. surplus there.  It's nice

swiss military surplus is impossible to get.

cu
-pete



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