From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Annoying, cloying "wann-be"s
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:46:26 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1219@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov6.235601.3666@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes...
>>In article <R!A==G@engin.umich.edu> Angelica <anonymus+2278@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>In article <1215@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> Ashley, ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com writes:
>
>>>
>>>Ashley -
>>>
>>>I agree with you and I think they are all just a bunch of dweebs 
>>				       ^^^
>>>(my favorite name for them).  It is time for them to grow up and
>>>stop flaming you - if they put their minds to work, they SHOULD
>>>be able to come up with something a bit more constructive
>>>to do with their time!  
>>>
>>>To the dweebs reading this, don't even think of flaming me!
>> 
>> 
>>Okay, rude, ignorant, uncivil asshole. I'm not a "dweeb", unless you try
>>to define "dweeb" as anyone you don't link, and probably don't know. There-
>>fore, I *can* flame you all I want. *I* took the discussion with Ashley to
>>email, but since you want to escalate, so be it.
>> 
>>Seems to me that you a) don't know what you're talking about; b) don't begin
>>to know anything of "mainstream" sf fandom, and c) make no attempt to under-
>>stand or care for others feelings, nor other's points of view. The above
>>agreement attempts to cover, with a broad brush, an awful lot of the people
>>here, as well as a large number of the people involved with the neopagan
>>movement. It's statements like yours that make people consider *you* 
>>rude, ignorant, and childish; that is, *just* like the people you criticise.
>> 
>>	mark
>
>	What an absolutly perfect example of why people have trouble with 
>sci-fi/fantasy fans! You are starting to sound just like the people I have 
>problems with! Being so over-defensive is NOT something that is going to help 

Exactly what defines this as over-defensive? First all fans get lumped under
one lable, and I object, and this is over-defensive? That's on the order of
"oh, I'm not a feminist" "What's a feminist?" "Oh, they're those bra-burners"
(NOTE: this is an analogy)

>your cause. Also, not everybody *wants* to submerge themselves in "mainstream"
>sci-fi/fantasy fandom so as to get a good view of it. So much of the genre 

When did I say you should submerge yourself in it?

>is so badly written, (we have already gone over the fact that there is good 
>stuff there too, don't jump on this one) it's no wonder people like Angelica 
>have trouble associating such dreck with thinking people above age 11. She 
>may have run into some sexist crap too, more than enough of that out there to 
>be offended by!

As opposed to what y'all run into in "normal" "grown-up" society?
>
>	If you want to be taken seriously and not written off as a child with 
>an ultra-thin skin, PLEASE don't blow up like this!!! You do us all a 
>dis-service when you do. And just think for a moment, if you blew up like 
>this at someone who had been misinformed by a fundie about Witchcraft do you 
>think you would enlighten or alienate them? My point.

When they attacked me verbally, starting with an attack, and, when I attempted
to correct misapprehensions, escalating the discussion into a screaming, 
namecalling attack? I don't believe you'd not argue back, since that seems
to be exactly what you are doing above. Not your point.
>
>	And a lot of people here being sci-fi/fantasy fans? I'm getting 
>fan-mail as well as hate-mail now. It seems to be about equal or sleightly 
>more twards anti-"fanboy" if you count those who are just venting frustration 
>with the types of idiots I discussed in my first posts. But some people here 
>have a *lot* harsher words for sci-fi/fantasy fans than I do. (Don't worry 
>folks, I'm not going to post your messages or "out" you to the net, I'm just 
>counting numbers and replying!)

Fascinating. What is this fanboy? 
>
>	As for e-mail, I got a string of garbage, maybe from you?, no words, 
>just static. Something wrong with your port or modem?
>
Quite possibly. The sysadmin here has been playing around, and some of my 
mail seems to go & return with no trouble, and other mail seems to bounce.
Perhaps there are name servers in some paths that have not been updated with
the current name.
>
	mark