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From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: What about "free" speech
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:00:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In the US, "freedom of speech" is not an absolute that is argued in the
abstract.  It is argued in individual cases, where specific limits are
defined.  As a result, there are many boundaries and shades of grey.

EXAMPLE: A person may have the right to make a certain type of statement,
         and the government has no right to censor it.  On the other hand,
	 the government has no obligation to provide that person a forrum
	 in which to make his statement ... unless it is providing a forrum
	 for other people making related/opposing statements.

EXAMPLE: A person may have the right to make a certain type of statement,
	 but this is not the right to make other people listen to it.  This
	 becomes an issue when people want to use public or private facilities
	 as a forrum for their statements.

EXAMPLE: A person may have the right to make a certain type of statement,
	 but once he has made it he may become liable for damages resulting
	 from his statement.  The "right of free speech" limits the governments
 	 power to censor speech.  It does not create an immunity from the 
	 legal consequences of that speech.

EXAMPLE: Different protections are afforded to different types of speech.
	 A person with an unpopular political platform will enjoy greater
	 protection than a person who wants to give instruction in criminal
	 activities.  In each case, the benefits to society must be weighed,
	 and political censorship is considered to have a grave cost.

EXAMPLE: The rights of a speaker to "free speech" must be weighed against
	 the rights of the public to "privacy".  These rights are often in
	 contradiction, and so a ballance must be struck between them.  Thus
	 a demonstrator can shout at passers-by, but he cannot obstruct their
	 passage.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: ASYLBEWERBER TATSACHEN
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:10:13 GMT

djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) writes:


>--
>Davebo                    "Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard.
>                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
>djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu

Did anybody see this englishmans political theater an check point charly a day
or two ago where i was just telling the pasery by with my "half a skinhead"
hearcut about my thereory of a USA and japan media comspiracy against the
future ecomonic strengt by attack the leading germany lhere!?
No - what a shame ill have to go on some wordl wide media of free acces and
write about it!!! :)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Cordless?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:49:30 GMT


I do not normally read this group so if this has been covered apologies.
 
Will a cordless phone bought in the US work in Germany.
Nuremburg area if it makes a difference.
 
Many many thanks. Christmas gift dont'cha know.
 
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Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 16:12:02 CET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: keichhor@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Kurt Eichhorn)
Distribution: world
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn

In article <1992Dec16.124353.5175@siemens.co.at>, barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl) writes:
> Wolfgang Howdii Howurek (howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at) wrote:
>
> > Hoid, a Woanung woid i no ausschbrechn. Bass auf, waun se demnegsd do a
> > gewise Babara moet, uijegale, hofendli darwischds des ned, weul sunds
> > hauds ma sicha iagnda Drumm noche. Na, do wiari mi hoid duggn, dass mi nigs
> > driefd.
>
> I glaub, jez wissen olle, warum da Haudi Hau-di haast.

Griaseng.
Oisad, des vasteh i hiatzt ned. Wiaso glaubst das da Haudi ned zuafoellig
Haudi hast? Haun eam den sovue oandane a wos noch, das des so duebisch is fia eam?
Oda sogn vielleicht ole "Haudi iwa d heisa" za eam?

Kurt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: NACHRICHTEN...
Organization: Multikulturelle Gesellschaft n.e.V.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.143138.27547@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> berichtet
Jeffrey Hazelwood u.a. ueber geplante Einreisebeschraenkungen fuer Rumaenen,
Bulgaren und Buergern der GUS-Staaten in Polen, ebenso ueber Verstaerkungen
der deutschen Grenze zu Polen bzw. der CSFR.

Nun, es zeigt sich, dass die von vielen Politikern frueher immer und immer
wieder geforderte Reisefreiheit fuer die Osteuropaer in Wirklichkeit nur
Blabla und Geschwaetz in Sonntagsreden war.

Der erst vor einiger Zeit abgerissene Stacheldraht wird wahrscheinlich
demnaechst wieder neu gezogen und es ist nur eine Frage der Zeit, wann
der Schiessbefehl an der Grenze aus dem Archiv geholt wird. Zwar ist die
Schussrichtung anders, aber dies sollte kein allzu grosses Problem sein.
Ich hoffe, dass die SPD wenigstens dieses Mal Rueckgrat zeigt und energisch
gegen die geplanten verfassungswidrigen Bundeswehreinsaetze vorgeht.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Michael.Schwuchow@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Michael Schwuchow)
Subject: Re: German flag - What does it symbolize?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:50:04 GMT

opaloneva@abo.fi (Olli-Jukka Paloneva) writes:

>There is a red, orange and black stripe in the German flag. What does
>that mean.
The coulours are black, red and gold.
Black and gold are the historic colours four the
HolyRomanEmpireOfGermanNation.
This was used to show, that ALL Germans wanted to live together, without
beeing devided into Prussians, Bavarians, Saxons, Saxon-Anhalts, Hesses,
Rheinlanders, Wuerttembergers, Badenser, East-Friesians, Bremer, Luebecker,
Hamburger, Frankfurter, Mecklenburger, Schaumburger, Schaumburg-Lippener,
Hannoveraner, Braunschweig-Wolffenbuetteler, Schleswiger, Holsteiner,
Pommerians, Silesians, Franks, Pfaelzer, Mainzer, Nassauer, ...
The red symbolizes the Revolution and its ideas.

>Why that flag did not suit for Bismarck and Wilhelms?
Well, they did not like revolutioneers....

They preferred the red and white of the Hanse-towns, which had the only
reasonable fleet, and the black and white of Prussia, which was the
mightiest land in Germany at that time.

>Why DDR had almost the same flag as FRG?
It was the German flag from 1919 and they stayed in this tradition too.

>Why the Neo-Nazis carry Wilhem's flag and not the flag of 3rd Reich?
It is forbidden (in Germany) to use symbols and signs of the third Reich,
except in historical reports or in teaching history. Carrying the flag
of the 3rd Reich openly will sooner or later cause an arrest and at least
a finacial penalty. Of course, raising the scorn of passants might happen
too, quite easily.

>Olli-Jukka Paloneva
>opaloneva@finabo.fi

Micha
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:39:31 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <92349.175152L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

> -- Did Albert Speer deserv 20 year prison sentence?
>    (According to him, he deserves it.  But, it seems to me he's trying
>    to unburden the "guilt of all German" from German people, and carry
>    it all by himself.)


Speer strikes me as something of a sycophant -- a "yes" man.  In other 
words he tends to kiss up to whoever's in power.  A lot of his 
contrition seems to have developed in step with the Allies 
subsuming power from the Nazis.

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman
From: simon@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Julia Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Welche Sprache(n) sollen wir gebrauchen?????
Date: 12 Dec 1992 17:49:23 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Computerlinguistik, U of Saarland, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de

deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gregory H Deatz) writes:
> Sind
> Dialekte eigentlich geschriebene Sprachen? Ich glaubte, dass man
> versuchte Dialekte zu schreiben aber dass kein echtes geschriebenes
> Dialekt existierte.

Ich glaube nicht, dass es fuer irgendeinen Dialekt ein Regelwerk wie den Duden
gibt. Allerdings gibt es z.B. fuer die saarlaendischen Dialekte jede Menge
Woerterbuecher und Grammatiken, in denen zumindest so etwas Aehnliches wie
Rechtschreibregeln usw. aufgestellt werden. Ich finde allerdings nichts dabei,
_verschnaeaekt_ oder _faschnaeaekt_ (wie ich es ausspreche) zu schreiben
anstelle von _verschnaeaegd_ (wie es im Saarbruecker Woerterbuch von Edith
Braun und Max Mangold steht).

			Julia 8-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: hart@uxopb1.cern.ch (PHIL HART)
Subject: better late...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: hart@uxopb1.cern.ch
Organization: University of Chicago/OPAL-CERN
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:50:29 GMT


Violence is like a child, learning,
With unformed intelligence, about hate;
When the police must look through shield-windows
At "Neo"-Nazis, is it already too late?
   Am I nothing but a Jew
   To den Deutschen im Bahnhof von Karlsruh'?

I was disappointed when they stayed
With the old "Einigkeit und Recht" -
Haydn's hymn is beautiful, but the words
Should have been the lullaby by Brecht.
   Will the next fire-bomb
   Be thrown in the station of Karl's Calm?

No.  They have their share of madmen,
And the government has dragged its feet,
But we must not forget the hundreds
Of thousands of Germans in the street;
   There will never be a riot
   In the station of Karl's Quiet.

In this land that went from Bach to Holocaust
Old poisons still remain.
But I know no people more aware of and saddened
By their failings, none more sane.
   To this I do attest
   From the station of Karl's Rest.

And though there's tragedy in M"olln
And terrible things will happen today,
My friends in Hamburg and Leipzig and K"oln
And M"unchen join me as I pray
   That this madness may soon cease,
   Hopeful in the station of Karl's Peace.
From: TLH@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Thomas L Hoffmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: **FORSALE:Macintosh Portable,IIci,Powerbook**
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:09:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi Germany!

I will be in Germany from December 14 til January 11.
Will sell the following items:

Mac Portable 4/40 with numercal keypad
Mac IIci in 8/0 or 8/105 configuration
Mac PowerBook 140 in 4/40 configuration

Please call Munich at 089/954472.

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Keywords: please flame me!
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:25:14 GMT

Scott Erb (serb@polisci.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec11.222208.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
: 
: 
: >You're sick of German-bashing and I'm sick of Germans.
: 
: >Laurence
: 
: Let's see, what if a German wrote "you're sick of Jew-bashing and I'm sick 
: of Jews," what would the world and especially Herr Godfrey say?  Laurence, 

"Hope he's the only one." or probably "There they go again."

: you aspire to be a jewish form of Adolf Hitler, looking at humans only in 
: terms of the ethnic category you place them in.  You are very similar to 

Oh please - Hitler didn't just look at people only as members of races,
he _killed_ them because of it.

-David "I'm sick of Laurence-bashing and you're sick of Laurence" Weisberger

--
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                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
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From: wido@isgtec.com (Wido Menhardt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Dialekt / Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:33:07 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Barbara Nowak-Teufl (barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at) wrote:

: Ich wuesste gerne mehr ueber den Unterschied  zwischen Platt und 
: ostfriesisch. Kann jemand mehr darueber posten?

Hmmmm... Platt ist dem Hollaendischen recht aehnlich (flames, 
flames, I'm sure). Ich spreche Hollaendisch, und verstehe 
zumindest das Platt in der Umgebung von Hamburg und Bremen 
damit ganz gut.

Friesisch (gesprochen in Friesland/Holland) hat mit Hollaendisch
-so weit ich weiss- praktisch nichts zu tun. Was die Ostfriesen
sprechen, weiss ich nicht ...

-wido
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:24:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.222208.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:


>You're sick of German-bashing and I'm sick of Germans.

>Laurence

Let's see, what if a German wrote "you're sick of Jew-bashing and I'm sick 
of Jews," what would the world and especially Herr Godfrey say?  Laurence, 
you aspire to be a jewish form of Adolf Hitler, looking at humans only in 
terms of the ethnic category you place them in.  You are very similar to 
your kindred spirit Adolf Hitler, in fact, maybe you are a reincarnation of 
him?!  That would explain alot, Herr Godfrey, Fuehrer II
From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:56:51 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.

Hello!

This is just a test, so please ignore me!

Eric.
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: NACHRICHTEN...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:29:55 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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 baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier) writes:
> ...Einreisebeschraenkungen fuer [Osteuropaer]...sowie [verstaerkte
> Ueberwachung der Ostgrenzen]...
> Nun, es zeigt sich, dass die von vielen Politikern frueher immer und
> immer wieder geforderte Reisefreiheit fuer die Osteuropaer in Wirklichkeit
> nur Blabla und Geschwaetz in Sonntagsreden war.

	wars nicht.  man dachte blos an andere.  nicht die verarmten Massen,
	sondern die politisch sympatischen Intellektuelle ....

> Der erst vor einiger Zeit abgerissene Stacheldraht wird wahrscheinlich
> demnaechst wieder neu gezogen und es ist nur eine Frage der Zeit, wann
> der Schiessbefehl an der Grenze aus dem Archiv geholt wird....

	das halte ich fuer ein dummes Gerede (oder sogar schlimmer:
	"verhetzen" kommt mir da in den Sinn...)

	also Joern, ich bin ja sicher links von der Mitte einzuordnen,
	und mehr Misstrauen gegen Politiker, Buerokraten, und Missbrauch
	der Amtsgewalt und der Bundeswehr als ich hast Du sicher auch
	nicht - aber alles was Recht ist, benutze bitte Daten und Indizien
	und Logik zur Kritik, und ueberlass derartige Hetzreden den Rechten...
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From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: DO NOT READ THIS!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:26:06 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.

I warned you! This is just a test, again, not interesting at all.
Anyway, one of your regular readers asked me to do this, so don't get
mad at me, okay? But I do promise it won't happen again :-)

Eric.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Re: American Press is anti-German!
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:22:31 GMT

UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de wrote:
: In article <1992Dec7.163742.19457@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) took
time off from more trivial things to write:
:  
: >
: >On the AP wire this morning, I noticed a story mentioning that German
: >leaders were proposing a tightening of the country's asylum laws IN
: >RESPONSE TO ANTI-FOREIGNER DEMONSTRATIONS.
[...]
: >It seems like AP doesn't like to say good things about Germany,
: >e.g. that it has one of Europe's most liberal asylum policies.

The disappointing truth is that the German government reaction has
mostly been limited to discussions about regulating asylum.  The
reaction (way back) to Hoyerswerda was to promise to keep foreigners
out of there.  Now, I believe that Germany should cut back the number
of immigrants it accepts, but there must also be action against
xenophobic violence. No matter what the government's intentions, the
press and neo-Nazis alike will see a change in asylum regulations alone
as capitulation to the radical right.

: The fact is that it is not at all helpful to those trying to do their best
: to keep radicalism small in Germany, if it gets so much focus by the world
: press. I don't mean to close my eyes on anything, but sometimes I wonder
: if press coverage couldn't be as decisive in proportion (!) concerning the
: Serbia-Hercegovina-war. Let's make a point: This is GENOCIDE there,

The inaction on S-H is horrible, but I do not find the coverage of Germany
and ex-Yugoslavia disproportionate.  The future of Germany is much
more significant for the continent and world as a whole.

:                 Sometimes I wonder whether people don't see the real dangers
: of a new world war evolving from the southeast.

Though I have often heard the analogy to the pre-WWI state of affairs,
I believe European is different now - Western Europe and Russia are no
longer entangled in alliances with each other and the Balkans.  How
would war in ex-Yugoslavia spread?  (Real question, not rhetorical.)

: I - as a German - am proud of Munich's crowds against radicalism, and I
: feel no reason to be ashamed, after all, it's something I am proud of...
: just as US-citizens do love their country-with all its mistakes.

I am proud of the US, but still ashamed of its worst faults.  You can
be both.

--
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                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
From: arora@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: wo i geh und steh....! 
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:52:15 GMT

Can some one remember the text to the Wiener lied:



	Wo i' geh' und Steh....
	Tut mir mein Herz so weh....



ARORA@ecs.umass.edu



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From: Peter.Kuhn@launchpad.unc.edu (Peter Kuhn)
Subject: mac - powerbooks  (preise ?)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:12:03 GMT

weiss einer der net-leser wie teuer die mac-powerbooks 145 4/80, 160 4/80
und 180 4/80 im deutschen handel sind ?

antworten bitte an :
pk7978@albnyvms.bitnet oder in der soc.culture.german

danke,
           peter
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From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Rudolf Augstein
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:53:10 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

 Obwohl ich Italienisch nur teilweise lesen kann, habe ich in
 ,,Corriere della Serra'' etwas u"ber R. Augstein gelesen das
 mich zum Staunen bringt.  Augstein soll eine Vor-Karierre a` la
 Paul de Man gehabt haben.  (De Man war ,,journaliste'' bei einer
 Faschisto-Zeitung in Brussel wa"hrend der ns-Zeit). Es wird jetzt
 gesagt , dass Augstein fu"r den ,,vo"lkischen beobachter'' gearbeitet
 hat.  Weiss jemand etwas u"ber diese Geschichte? Wie lange schon hat
 man diese Story in der Presse gefolgt? 

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From: howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Wolfgang Howdii Howurek)
Subject: Dialekt / Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:24:18 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Sprachvergleich:

Folgende drei Tiere: Dachs, Marder und Iltis; wie heisst das 

a) im Waldviertel?  Dox, Moda und Oedeis
b) im Weinviertel?  Dox, Moda und Eutas

weitere Aussprachen?


Barbara! Was hast Du gemeint, Abfall (=Mist) oder Apferl (=kleiner Apfel)?