From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Republican Convention
Summary: Just a short comment
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:38:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center

In article <1447@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             ) writes...
>In article <28AUG199213580644@utrcv1>, ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:
>>
>> I'm back from my short vacation and I found lots of disgusting response
>> to my pervious article that I posted about Republican Convention
>
>I am wondering why you guys use such a strong words for addressing
>to each other works on the net? could not you guys respect each other?
>Disgusting is not a good word if you want to make a point in the right
>way.
>
>> Some
>> people feel moral value and religion is important in a person's life but the
>> government has to stay out of it. Hey I call this a real hypocrisy.
>
>I am not lucky or unlucky enough to be an American, as you are (and
>ofcourse I do not envy you for it!!!). But since you are such a proud
>American (It seems that you are, since you refer to it as our country)
>, let me mention that this is part of your?! own constitution that
>the state and religion are seperate institutions.
>
>Now whether this is a correct policy or not, I do not have any opinion
>about it! and even if I had, I would not interfere in the internal affairs
>of Your COUNTRY!!
>
>Sincerely,
>Vahid
>
Dear vahid;

First of all I'm Iranian-American Or American-Iranian which ever you prefer
to call me. Secondly one should realize what the constitution was intend to
mean when it seperate religion and government.
When the first Amendment was passed it only had two purposes. The first
purpose was that there be no established, national church for the united
thirteen states. To say it another way: There would be no "Church of the
United States" James madison (1751-1836) clearly articulated this concept
of separation when explaining the first Amendment's protection of religious
liberty. He said that the first Amendment to the constitution was prompted
because "the people feared one sect might obtain a preeminence, or two
combine together, and establish a religion to which they would compel
others to conform"
Nevertheless, a number of the individual states had state churches, and
even that was not considered in conflict with the first Amendment.
At the outbreak of the American Revolution, nine of the thirteen colonies
had conferred special benefits upon one church to the exclusion of others.
In all but one of the thirteen states, the states taxed the people to
support the preaching of the gospel and to build churches. It was not until
1798 that the Virginia legislature repealed all its laws supporting
churches. In Massachusetts the Massachusetts Constitution was not amended
until 1853 to eliminate the tax supported church provisions.
The second purpose of the first Amendment was the very opposite from what is
being made of it today. Today the separation of church and state in America
is used to silence the church. When Christians, jews, or muslims speak out
on issues, the hue and cry from humanist state and media is that
Christians, and all religions, are prohibited from speaking since there is
a separation of church and state. The way the concept is used today is
totally reversed from the original intend.
It has been convenient and expedient for the secular humanist, the
materialist, the so called liberal, the feminist, the genetic engineer, the
bureaucrat, the supreme court justice, to use this arbitrary division
between church and state as a ready excuse. It is used, as an easily
identifiable rallying point, to subdue the opinion of that vast body of
citizen who represent those with religious convictions.

Sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami

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