From: lgarde@scorch.apana.org.au (Leon Garde)
Subject: Re: Freemason
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:56:55 GMT

David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

|JM> "It's interesting that you say this.  Freemasonary has its
|JM> roots in Satanism, although the majority of Freemasons (those
|JM> up to and including the third degree) do not seem to realise
|JM> this.
Cathlocism has labelled Freemasonry this for many a year.
Its because Freemasoney uses a different paradigm, different
symbols, etc ...
My source says that this use of symbols is the basic essence of
Freemasonery. and that Freemasonry is an AID for beleif in
a diety, which neccessarily is the jewish christian god,
for many good reasons. Firstly, which other reference would
one choose to reference such a load of symbolistic nonsense ?

|JM> "I would be interested to know how much research you have done
|JM> on this subject. I gather from this response that it is not much.
Um, i suppose you (JM) got a hold of the lectures and books etc
that the masons use ...
Quote some of the symbols , JM, and their meanings and I'll see if your correct.

|JM> research).  I don't make the above statements lightly.  I have
|JM> also had a couple of bad spiritual experiences (yes, there's that
|JM> word again) on the night when the Freemasonary hall was used which
|JM> have well and truly convinced me that this is true."

:) 

| 
|Hi! You're wrong again. Freemasonry does not have its roots in
|Satanism. It is heavily influenced in Christianity (in England)
|and Deism (in America). There were some connections between England's

Um  . my source says it 'it is wrong to think 16th and 17th century
french deism had a great influence on freemasonry.. Masons believe 
in the one true and living god ...'.
I think there is some confusion because masonry is NOT a religion
(self-proclaimed that way anyway ... )

| 
|JM> "By the way, nobody has given an explanation for the use of the
|JM> pentagram by the Freemasons as stated in my original posting,
|JM> and it's use is not just confined to the particular Freemasonary
|JM> hall which I was (unfortunately) in."

Ever seen the symbol of the floor of the TEMPLE OF SOLOMON ????
Know what the 'signet of king solomon" is ?

Heard of the 'order of the eastern star' ( a five pointed star). ?

The following symbols are seen in the USA, as freemasonry is/was
populary amonst the 'forefathers' ..  aside ..17 presidents of the
usa were masons. (and two died , but were going to be ...)
| 
|Ever notice the 50 pentagrams on the US flag?
| 
|Ever wonder why the Pentagon is a pentagon?
| 
|Have you looked at the Medal of Honor or a Silver Star?
| 
|Have you stopped a Sheriff's patrol car and asked why there is
|a large Pentagram on the door?
| 
|I suspect the Freemasons were using the Pentagram long before
|the Christians made it into a Satanic symbol. (The swastica was
|a symbol of goodness before the Nazis turned it into something
|evil.)

One could suspect Christians and jews were using pentagons and
five pointed starts long before popes decreed them satanic

| 
|The Pentagram is one symbol for humans and the material world. It
|represents the arms, legs, and head of humans. It is a nature
|symbol, as a great many flowers and leaves have five points. It
|also represents the five human senses. It also represents the
|Greek's "Golden Cut" or "Golden ratio" of Chi.

and a few billion other five's.
| 
|Most importantly, and the reason why America uses the pentagram
|in many (most) of its sigles, signs, and seals, is because the
|pentagram represents the four major passions(*), controlled and
|dominated by the fifth point--- the human intellect. It is thus
|a symbol for human's ability to overcome instinct and passion,
|and achieve honor and courage through their ability to think of
|alternatives.
| 
|(*)
|  Greed
|  Lust
|  Fear
|  Hate


Relating masonry to the bible, there are also five heroines :
Jephthah's daughter, Ruth, Esther, MArtha, Electa. 
These relate to the order of the eastern star.
There are many other ways, but it is all just symbolism ...

|--- Maximus 2.00


Oh boy ... conspiracy time .. how many of us discussing masonry so
openly will be alive next week. ??
Remember big brother is a mason !!!