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From: 32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Nathan Owen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers stats.
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:16:03 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Well the Packers blew it again.  They dominated the Giants statistically,
but were unable to win the game.  Here is some of evidence of the
domination:
                          Giants        Packers

1st Downs                  9              21
3rd Down Eff.             1-10            4-11
Total Yards               177             363
Rushing                   23-57           23-90
Time of Possession        23:52           36:08
Number of Sacks Allowed   3               1

The killer was turnovers.  The Packers had 5.  On the positive side,
Sterling Sharpe had 11 catches for 160 yards, and Jackie Harris had 9
receptions for 87 yards.

I really think Jackie Harris is becoming the dominant tight end the Packers
have been waiting for him to become.  Sharpe already has 61 receptions for
906 yards through 9 games.  He now leads the NFL in yards and I believe he
also leads the NFL in receptions.

I was impressed in the fact that the Packers held the number 1 rushing
offense in the NFL to 57 yards rushing.  Last week the Packers allowed
38 yards rushing.  The defense is playing a little better than earlier in
the season.  In addition Tony Bennet had another 2 1/2 sacks.

My evaluation of the current situation of the Packers is this:  The offensive
system the Packers have installed in working.  It absolutely controls the
clock and gains a lot of yards.  If it weren't for the turnovers the Packers
would be doing well right now.  The team is young, has a very inexpierenced
quarterback and is going through those 1st year growing pains.  I see a lot
of potential in the system in the future.
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From: 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD)
Subject: They might be faking it...
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:37:05 GMT



I was watching the Bengals/Bears game last night on TSN, which was carrying 
the ESPN broadcast, and I heard possibly the stupidest comment I've ever 
actually heard while watching football.

Picture this.  Bears winning by a fair margin ( 14 I think), 2nd Half
Bengels have the ball on or about their 45 yard line. 
It's fourth down.
1 to go.
The Bengals line up to go for it.
The ever so intelligent ESPN reporter says;
'They're going to go for it, or at least fake it'

FAKE IT?????  What the hell does FAKE IT mean.  How the HELL to you fake 
going on a fourth down?  I don't know, maybe this guy sees something I don'
t.  But if you ask me, it's just plain stupidity.
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers Lead in Rushing and Passing
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:05:47 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <`^#@byu.edu>
rosej@arizona.et.byu.edu (James Rose) writes:

> Browsing through the USA-TODAY NFC statistics I found it very interesting that the 49ers lead the NFC in passing and RUSHING. 

Read them stats again James...the 4-4 Giants lead the NFC in
Rushing...49ers are second.

Go Giants!

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Land of the Giants
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From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Subject: Re: Best in Tejas, part II
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:18:28 GMT

In article <2829@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
 
>
>Any Oiler fans want to continue the "Best in Texas" argument?  My, but those
>Browns are pesky.  Hey, Pardee, you're supposed to *win* those divisional
>games.
>
>Heeheeheehee.
>
>Daniel Welch
 
If you want to argue based on the raw talent on both teams, it is obvious
that the Oilers are the better team. I do not feel that Troy Aikman can
hold a candle to Warren Moon and I can go on and on across the board.
However, if this arugument is over who is playing better right now, it is
very obvious that is the Cowboys. They are 8-1 right now because they are
HUNGRY and out on a mission. They are doing everything right as opposed to
the Oilers. The Oilers are just simply repeating their past history which
I mentioned last week. Each year, they manage to lose at least two games
that they SHOULD NOT LOSE.
 
As for yesterday, The Browns simply prepared well and played well. As much
as you gloating Cowboys' fans might rather not admit it, the Browns would
have beaten anyone yesterday including the 'boys. The Oilers and the Browns
will meet again on December 20; We will see what happens then. I hope for
the Oilers' sake that they get their act together by then. As for the Cow-
boys, we will see if they can keep up the excellent level of play they have
shown this year. If not, you Cowboys' fans who are chuckling right now will
have eat your words.
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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Test
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:53:43 GMT
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

This is a test.
From: jcollins@sparkle.tnis (Jon Collins CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Nick Lowery
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: jcollins@sparkle.tnis
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Nick Lowery is active this week.  He was out two weeks ago due to injury, and off last week due to their off week.  Eddie Murray was droped a few days after their monday night game against the Steelers.  

JC


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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Teams that have not lost to losing teams. 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:51:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.003701.4743@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dallas is the only team with a winning record
>that hasn't lost to a team with a losing record.
The Oilers also haven't lost to a losing team.  5-3, losses to Pittsburgh,
Pittsburgh, and Denver.  None of their losses were by many points, either. 
>
>Gordon

-- 
Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: How to improve Eagles offense
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:35:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

While watching the Eagles-Raiders game the commentators kept saying how the
loss of Keith Jackson has really hurt the Eagles offense. They were saying
that now they have no legitimate threat up the middle, thus enabling the
defense to double cover the wide receivers. OK, so that might be true, but
why don't the Eagles come up with some new offensive schemes to compensate?
Here are some that I can think of:

1. Use the 3 wide receiver set(like the Redskins) more often.
2. Use Walker or Sherman as an extra receiver.

Can anyone else suggest some other ways to spice up the Eagles offense?

-Teh Kao
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades (Giants pick Bunch - good move!)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:35:46 GMT


>> >28, NY Giants, Jarrod Bunch, fb, Michigan.

Here's a good pick, Bunch has already produced for the giants.  I dont 
follow the college scene, does anyone have info on him while he was at 
michigan?

He's a nice compliment to hampton!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Ha, ha....
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.201139.25660@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Guess whom I'm laughing at....
>-- 
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

You weren't by any chance looking at a mirror, were you?
:-)
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Niners vs. Falcons return
Date: 6 Nov 1992 16:29:51 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Niners are heading to Atlanta this Monday night.  Fun Fun Fun.

Early this year, I ragged pretty heavily on Glandville, but I was
thinking about how I'd feel about him were I an Atlanta fan...

As a Niner fan, I can't imagine a more fun opponent.  Trash talk,
wild plays, McKyer, Billy Joe 'Hail Mary' Tolliver, Deion, Bowling
trophies. The two sickest feelings I had as a Niner fan was the
Playoff beating we took from Vikes several years ago, and last years
last second loss to Atlanta as playoff hopes were up to other teams
then.  On the other hand, crushing Glandville with the trophy out
there was REALLY fun.

Niners should win this game by 14, but anything can happen.

A couple factors:

Bono is banged up.  May not play, which means a new holder for
Cofer.  ANYTHING can happen then.  Can you spell ATLANTA TD ON NINER
FG ATTEMPT?  Yes, you can.

Atlanta's O line.  They have the players to be the best in the league
but are not playing that way.  They remind me somewhat of the way
Niners D line has been playing.  They should gel at any time...
but when?  Any insights Atlanta fans?  A decent game by Atlanta's
O line will make a huge difference in this game as Niners D line
hasn't yet shown its real stuff.

Eric Davis.  Glandville has got to be crazy not to line Rison up
on the far right and test this CB's confidence after last week.
I think Eric will be a great player, I think he shakes it off and
plays very well, but he will be on some highlight films this week,
either making plays, or framing TD catches by Atlanta's receivers.

Time of year.
Long about mid-November the real Niners show up.  I predicted after
the first Atlanta game the Niners would have another flat spot, but
Phoenix was it.  If Niners lose this game, Atlanta's going to have
to take it from them, Niners aren't serving it up.

Mike

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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: A TOTAL DRUBBING..
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:04:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.180524.171@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:
> In article <Bx59w6.Kno@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
> >The Vikes have now shown the rest of the league that they
> >are as good as it can get in the NFC. 6-2 eh!!!!!!!
> >S.H
> 
> Jeepers S.H., They beat the Bears, not the Cowboys.  Let's not woof too
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Sign of the times?  A few years ago the statement would have sounded
idiotic; now it is very meaningful.  Time for Ditka to leave?

-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Falcons
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.051606.13577@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>OK, now we've *ALMOST* forgotten the Hail Mary game from last year (but
>not quite). 

And we certainly haven't forgotten the game before when McCryer behaved
in such champion format by gloating on the Niners' sideline.

>The 49ers followed up their 56-17 demolition of the Falcons
>three weeks ago with a 41-3 walloping on Monday Night Football. The
>stats for the game are very surprising. Both teams accumulated about
>300 yards in offense, and both teams had about the same number of
>first downs. But one stat stands out : five turnovers for the Falcons
                                        ^^^^
                                            six, but who's counting?

>and none for the 49ers. On top of that, the 49ers boxed around about
>four additional sure interceptions. The best turnover of all, though,
>was when Neion-Deion-Prime-Time fumbled the kickoff, recovered it,
>started upfield, fumbled it again, and the 49ers recoverd. Oh, that
>was fun!

>Mike Cofer was two for two on field goal attempts. He is now 11-16
>on the year. He deserves a lot of credit for withstanding the abuse
>he suffered earlier this year.

And much of last year.

>Strange game for Young. He was 12-18 for only 143 yards, but he had
>three TD passes. Also, he was stuffed almost every time he tried to run
>the ball.

That's a Glanville defense for you:  force your opponent to keep
passing even when it's obvious that they can fry you.  I'm really
coming around to the conclusion that he isn't too bright.

It's interesting how even the stats can make a blowout look when the
blowee coughs up the ball so much.  300 yards of offense is plenty 
when seven of your drives start in the other team's half of the field.
All of the Niners' points except for one TD came from this kind of
field position.

>I may be wrong on this, but I don't think the 49ers were penalized a
>single time in the game. In any case, they were penalized very infrequently,
>which is a big plus.

Once, for 10 yards, according to the morning paper.

>Oh, and the "California Trophy" was nowhere to be found.

I think the Fallcons donated it to a needy women's softball league.

God it's GREAT to be a Niner fan!!
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED:  Are the Patriots still playing in Foxboro?
Distribution: na
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 2 Nov 92 18:49:12 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1992Oct29.183921.10493@midway.uchicago.edu> bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner) writes:
> In article <1992Oct29.060236.14410@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
> >Would some kindly New England Patriots fan tell
> >me where the Patriots are playing now?
> >My almanac says Foxboro Stadium, but my
> >NFL schedule says Sullivan stadium.  Which
> >is what and where is each?

> The Patriots play in Sullivan Stadium, which is located in Foxboro, MA.
> The almanac that says "Foxboro Stadium" is a collector's item -- and
> wrong. :)

WRONG.
The Patsies play in Foxboro Stadium.
They used to play in Schaefer Stadium.  Which then became Sullivan Stadium,
which is now Foxboro Stadium.

-- 
Rich Carreiro                                  Home: (401)841-8514
rlcarr@animato.network23.com
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From: joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: in defense of Lin Elliott
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:48:19 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Cowboys


Lin Elliott is not as bad as everyone says he is, IMHO.
He is the classic example of a power kicker who lacks accuracy -- the exact
opposite of Ken Willis.
On Sunday, vs. the Eagles, Elliott missed two makeable attempts, but notice that
neither attempt was short; both were wide.  He did convert two attempts,
including a 48-yarder.  Earlier in the year, he converted a 51-yarder.
Still, 2 out of 4, while not good, is still OK.

One important aspect of his game that many people overlook is his kickoffs.
In the Eagles game, I believe all 5 of his kickoffs were touchbacks.  It
doesn't show up in the stats that he may have prevented Sikahema from making
several long kickoff returns.

It is true that the Cowboys haven't won or lost any games on an Elliott
field goal attempt.  If the Superbowl came down to a last second field
goal attempt, like Norwood's when Buffallo lost to the Giants, would you
rather have Elliott or Willis try the kick?  If it was a 47-yard attempt,
like Norwood's, I would probably rather have Elliott.


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From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Eagles poor win over LA
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:50:48 GMT



At first glance, it would appear that the Eagles under the leadership of
Jim McMahon won a blowout against the Raiders.  However, this is not the
case.  The Eagles in the first half had a very poor offensive effort.
A touchdown from McMahon to Calvin Williams was due to an underthrown ball. 
Kotite, in his stupidity, never bothered to establish the running game early
on.  And I definitely noticed what the announcers were concerned with -
there were alot of junk in their offensive plays.  Motion, fakes, and
complicated sets can be effective when properly utilized; however, they
were ineffective for most of the game.  If Cunningham is unhappy with the
play selection, then Kotite needs to trash portions which do not work
and Cunningham is unhappy with.  Even McMahon, with his command of the game
and Kotites plays, could not adequately use the poor, junky, and complicated
plays to produce a consistent and powerful offensive thrust.  And once more,
Kotite had the QB come out throwing on first and ten from the beginning of the
game.  WHY IS HE SO STUPID.  We have in Herschel one of the the top six
running backs in the league (in terms of yardage gained); however, Kotite
comes out throwing and continues the passing game until the Eagles have built
up enough of a lead to start a running game.  Kotite needs to have Herschel
tire the opposing defense down by giving him the ball 20 - 25 times and
running through the middle.  Then, the play action pass can work.  I saw
Barnett and Williams consistently doubled because we had not even started
running the ball until the second half.

The only reason the Eagles won this one was because of the defense and
their ability to cause four turnovers.  The front four stopped the run but
could not get a decent, consistent pass rush going.  Yes, the stats showed
several hurries, tips, and sacks.  I attribute this to two things - the poor
showing of Tony M. and the need for the Raiders to pass as the game got further
and further out of reach.  The star of the game was definitely Eric Allen.
He gets an A+ this week.  Sikahema also gets an A for his runs.

The Eagles need a better tight end.  I don't know why Kotite keeps on
bringing on washed up snappers to play skilled positions such as tight end.
Beach needs to go.  I have never seen him produce in the past 9 games
of the season.  We need a 3 receiver set.  Or a modified run and shoot
receiving corp offense.  We have the receivers for such an adaptation in 
Barnett, Williams, Sikahema, and Green.

Whatever Kotite decides, he better get rid of his junky plays and produce
a viable offensive scheme.  So far, he's only succeeded in taking a good
football team down the road of the Jets.


-- 
En Pum Cho					
University of Chicago Class of 1994
math & economics major
epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:04:32 GMT

In article <BxMCDn.24q@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.104850.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> >
> >    
> >                    
> >                     FAN                           FAN OF
> >      
> >                    *1. Abhay                      Bills
> >                    *2. Dan Kary                   Dolphins
> >    
> >                   * = Gentleman's bet
> >         

What does this mean?  That even if they lose they will continue
to post?  What is the point in that?
-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: GIANTS/ Green Bay matchup
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:10:08 GMT

In article <96525@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>Injuries to key players:

>GIANTS: WR Mark Ingram, DE Leonard Marshall, CB Reyna Thompson (ankle, but
>        will probably play), LB Carl Banks (also may play).

>Green Bay: G Rich Moran, CB Dave McCloughan, RB Darell Thompson, LB Brian Noble

Moran and McCloughan just went on IR.  I think both Thompson and
Noble are questionable (don't have the paper in front of me,
though).

>satish nair
>GIANTS LOOSE BIG TIME

It'd be a good week to see the Giants lose.  Other than the
training staff and their wives, who cares how loose they are?

-- 

	Think snow!

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: rex@cs.washington.edu (Rex Jakobovits)
Subject: Reed or not?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:22:34 GMT

Question for all you bills fans out there:

Any opinions on Reed's chances of playing monday night?  I heard that
he pulled his groin and is listed as "questionable".

Replies greatly appreciated,

  --rex
-- 
	Rex Jakobovits (rex@cs.washington.edu)
	Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering
	University of Washington
From: rhoads@crayola.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best/worst of team history
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:10:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

> A friend ... and I were discussing
> the best and worst in our favorite teams' histories, as far as trades,
> personnel, etc. goes.
> I thought this might be
> a neat thread - what are the moves that has given fans the most ecstasy or
> humiliation over the years.

For the Redskins, I would say (in no particular order)

Best:
   1) Trading Norm Snead for Sonny Jurgenson
   2) Getting John Riggins from free agency
   3) Trading five no-name players for Kenny Houston, perhaps the best
      strong safety to ever play the game.
   4) Jack Kent Cooke buying out Edward Bennett Williams.  I realize
      that this is not a player move, but this change of ownership,
      whereby one of the best owners in the league bought out one of
      the worst, has to rank among the most beneficial ownership
      changes in NFL history.

In recent years, I would say the best trade was Mike Oliphant for
Byner, while the worst would be trading two first round draft picks
for Gerald Riggs.  It's ironic that both of these trades took place on
the same day.

Being a Redskins fan, I try to forget the worst moves of all time.

-- Glenn Rhoads
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