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From: Daniel.Halloran@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Halloran)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Mutual Fund Newsletters
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:53:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR


I have the two mutual fund newsletters we discussed in my office the other
 day.  You can pick them up any time.  I tried to log onto your system this
 morning but got garbage.  When you stop by maybe you can tell me whats wrong
 with the configuration I am using. 

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From: Brendan.Edwards@f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org (Brendan Edwards)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Global Ed. and Technology
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:18:18 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:359/70 - SETnet North, Dawson Creek BC

OKay, what about computers used for CAD/CAM and other industrial education programs. Not to mention the computers used for the physically and mentally challenged. As for other forms of technology, we use Laser-Disc here quite extensively. Computer models have been used here for both Geography, history, physics, and chemistry. Quite successful and fascinating.
Live Long and Prosper...
Bren


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From: Brendan.Edwards@f70.n359.z1.fidonet.org (Brendan Edwards)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Japan
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:13:42 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:359/70 - SETnet North, Dawson Creek BC

Interesting point that nameless author posted there. Perhaps you can talk to him and also mention that it was the states that made Japan into an industrial nation. After WWII, the states basically forced our neighbors to the west into an industrial society. The japanese took the idea, improved upon it, and are the leaders for the time being. I'm all for Japan. Their products are superior for the most part to american products. And cheaper too.
Live Long and Prosper...
Bren


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From: Laurence.Akiyama@f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org (Laurence Akiyama)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: The Crusades
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:36:58 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:345/6 - Leeward School Dist, Honolulu HI

That I won't argue with, but it must be remembered that when the Crusaders first began to organize, at pope Urban II's behest, mobs of "poor, ignorant" peasants started their own march to Jerusalem. On the way, they slaughtered and pillaged at will. In 1096, they reached Constantinople, and tried to sack it! Of course, the Turks cut them down later. 
   Next, the 1st-3rd Crusades were well-intentioned affairs, intended to either (1) win back the Holy Lands or (2) prevent islamic expansion. 'Course, both could be true...anyway, when the 4th Crusade came around in 1202, the Crusaders ignored teh Muslims and instead attacked Constantinople, the very city they might have been called on to protect in the first place! It was not until 1261 that Constantinople was freed. Thus, I have to argue that the Crusades were not intended to save the Byzantine Empire fr




om the Muslims. 


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From: Rollie.Arthur@f131.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Rollie Arthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Mazama
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 21:19:37 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/131 - The right place, Tacoma WA

John, I am not familiar with a Mazama legend but the caldera left in Mt.
Mazama's place is today called Crater Lake in Oregon. The explosion that
ripped Mt. Mazama apart was much more powerful than the Mt. St. Helen's
eruption of 1980. If my memory serves me (and it rarely does these days) the
eruption was about 5,000 years ago and dropped a couple feet of ash on Mt.
Rainier 250 miles to the north.
Rollie


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From: Lloyd.Johnston@f239.n701.z89.fidonet.org (Lloyd Johnston)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Japan
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 19:02:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 89:701/239

The following message was posted on a local BBS in Edmonton.  The
original authour wants to remain unknown because he already gets to much
mail 8^).

===========================================================================
 BBS: Traiders of the Lost .ARC!
Date: 03-24-92 (18:19)             Number: 1213
From: ********                     Refer#: 1689
  To: ********                      Recvd: YES
Subj: Japan bashing pt.1             Conf: (0) General
As a student, education, in my opinion does wonders in teaching those
individuals with closed minds that we are not all that different.

GC|People react to other for some really funny reasons. Take the
GC|Japanese/oriental hatred/fear in the USA. Totally unjustified and based
GC|solely on the financial success of orientals. That is jealousy. But what can
GC|one do about that? Get POOR? No, I think the conscience of the "average guy"
GC|doesn't
GC|rise far above the level of the local news.

Americans have a well documented tendency to blame everybody but
themselves.  That is why, in simplest terms, they must always have an
enemy to blame for all their mistakes.  For the moment, it is
Japan.  Last year, it was Iraq.  For the forty-odd years before
that, it was the communist nations of the cold war.  Japan got to where
they are at by having an ethic of hard work and perseverance. In
addition, they are willing to invest and improve upon ideas others would
not touch.  Have you ever heard of "fuzzy logic"?  It was supposed to be
a new way of thinking for computers that allowed a computer to adapt
more readily to the a constantly channging environment.  Anyways, it was
originally thought up in the States, but nobody would invest in it and
it received no backing from the government so it died quickly.  Japan,
learning of the concept, researched fuzzy logic and improved upon it
with generous help from the government.  Now, a lot of Japanese
appliances and the like have adopted it and the result is a lot of
successful popular applications that can readily adapt to human
interaction in a much more efficient organic fashion.  Meanwhile, back
in the States, a lot of crying over Japan's "hijacking" of "their"
concept raised a furore in the American computer industry!  Ironic or
what?  I believe the Americans have lost their competitive edge
because they get so involved in the "American Dream" ie. we are the
best, we have the most, etc. that they whine if the dream isn't what
they think it should be. In short, they've gotten soft and haven't
realized that the only way to their "Dream" is through hard work and
sacrifice, concepts they have to relearn.


It seemed to match one of the current disscusions in this base



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From: Laurence.Akiyama@f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org (Laurence Akiyama)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Re: 20th Century Wars
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:47:59 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:345/6 - Leeward School Dist, Honolulu HI

You want a debate? You got it! That's what Debate teams are for, after all... I'm a warfare buff, too, and I just ran out of people to talk to on this subject. That is, I ran out of NEW people to talk with; my old bunch is still around, waiting for something to argue over...If you want to talk, I'm here to listen and then..."chat". 


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From: Tammy.Bergstrom@f242.n701.z89.fidonet.org (Tammy Bergstrom)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Quebec Separation
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 15:00:27 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 89:701/242

     Hi, my name is Tammy Bergstrom.  I'm in grade 11, and
this is my Computers 20 class project.  The topic I have
chosen to do my assignment on is the very serious and
controversial issue of the Quebec separation.  I would like
to set up a debate with some other students to get some
feedback on the questions I have asked, and also what teens
elsewhere feel about this problem.

1) Will it hurt Canada to lose Quebec or not?

2) Should Quebec be allowed to be distinct while other
nationalities such as natives aren't?

3) Will the Quebec separation hurt Canada's economy?

4) With the separation will Canadian's standard of living go 
down?

5) Do you think with the break up of Quebec and Canada it
will cause the rest of Canada to break up and join the
United States?

6) Should we give Quebec what they want in the constitution
so they'll be satisfied?  Why or why not?


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From: Sherman.Williams@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Sherman Williams)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Re: SOCIAL STUDIES
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 22:25:10 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I'm hoping that you won't mind my making a response prompted by your 
message posted to Kerrie Sliminski.  I am a Canadian teacher, teaching 
in Nova Scotia.  I presently teach 11 and 12 year olds at the level we 
call Grade six. I'm involved in most areas of their studies: Math, 
Language Arts, Social Studies and Science.  Science, Math and Social 
Studies are my main areas of interest and in that order. I have a 
particular interest in Astronomy and Natural History (worked as a 
naturalist in some of our federal parks). 

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From: JIM.DIXON@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (JIM DIXON)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Foreign Aid
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 09:54:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

From: JACK CRAWFORD                Refer#: NONE
  To: TOM RICH                      Recvd: NO
Subj: Foreign Aid                    Conf: (37) K12 Social
...........................................................................
JC>TR>     In our country we have quite a few people who are living
JC>TR>below the poverty line.  The government is not giving them
JC>TR>much aid.  Yet, we are sending a fair amount of money and

JC>I wonder what % of the Canadian and US Gross National Products goes
JC>to foreign aid. This might be a starting point. Anyone have these
JC>figures?

Country     GNP (*)     Budget Expend.(**)    Foreign Aid (**)
..........  ........    ..................    ........................
Canada        437.47             127,600.0    2,552.0or 0.583% of GNP
U.S.A.      4,863.67           1,251,900.0    ?
* Billions    ** Millions (note this is 127.6 Billion and 1.251.9
Trillion respective)

- World Facts and Statistics, M.S.E. 1991 lcccn 39-17311

As for foreign aid, it appears (I went back to 1987), that the U.S.
set figures for foreign aid as the need arises.  Perhaps someone
else could work the foreign aid into the GNP or find the figures for 91.
For example, in 1990 to Angolia was estimated(1) @ $50 million annually
in the form of military aid, Bangladesh @ $135 million(2), Burundi @ 10
million(3), Honduras @ $247.5(4) million bridging loan.  These are some
examples and some were adjusted according to the receiving countries
political climate changes.
(1)-William Minter...Visiting researcher, Georgetown University.
(2)-M. Rashiduzzaman Assoc. Prof. Political Science, Glassboro State C.
(3)-Thomas E. Turner, Prof. Political Science, Director International
                      Studies Program, Wheeling Jesuit College, West Va.
(4)-Donald E. Schulz, Assistant Prof. Political Science, Northeastern
                      Illinois University.
Jim

 * SLMR 2.1a *

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From: Sherman.Williams@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Sherman Williams)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: SOCIAL STUDIES
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 08:11:55 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Kerrie, the reference to drumlins in your message to Bruce Johnston
 has caught my interest. There are drumlins where I live, here in Nova
 Scotia. I'm wondering if this is one of the two places in the world you
 were referring to.  If not, what were the other two places you had in
 mind?  I'd be interested in discussing this topic a little further with 
you.  I have always had an interest in glacial geology and the features 
left behind from the Ice Age. Looking forward to receiving a response
 from you.   S.W. from Nova Scotia, Canada.

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From: Lloyd.Johnston@f239.n701.z89.fidonet.org (Lloyd Johnston)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Re: Assimilation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:51:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 89:701/239

SR>I agree that Austrailia is much harder to get to. The problem is that the
SR>Liberal establishment in this country is making it so easy for immigrants NO
SR>to assimilate i.e. having a multilingual culture. So many things are written
SR>in Spanish,and Oriental languages which makes me (and many others) feel like
SR>a foreigner in their own country.It's disgusting and absolutely horrible, no
SR>because it is a different language but because that we live in a
SR>traditionally English speaking country but we are losing that and frankly,
SR>I'm frightened.

What is wrong with Spanish and Oriental signs.  On boxes and cans in
Canada there are labels in both English and French.  I don't think it
bothers Canadians.  I am English but am able to speak French if I have
to.  While I was taking french classes I learned about the French
culture as well as a bit of their fasinating history.

Learning a new language is difficult.  Try learning Spanish or remember
your experience if you already have.  I wish I had the time to study
Oriental languages.  Different cultures are very interesting to study if
you just take the time. . ..



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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.soc-studies
Subject: Re: Assimilation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:03:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY


MS>It isn't disgusting, nor is it absolutely horrible to have more
than one MS>language spoken in a country.  We aren't losing anything
that I am aware of. MS>What are the current statistics as far as
populations being to speak English MS>throughout the world?  Has it
increased, or decreased since more people

Just for the sake of shooting off on a tangent, consider this: in
addition to the incredible political, economic and absolutely
staggering environmental problems facing the old Soviet Union, the
13 former states are comprized of something like 200 different
ethnic groups speaking that many different languages. With the
recent split-up of the old USSR, the Russian language will cease to
be the predominant "official" (and common) language and it would
seem that this wide diversity will eventually become even more
pronounced. How will they ever be able to communicate with each
other to solve their common problems? I suppose that, in an extreme
situation like this, there is something to be said in favor of a
common language......(tho' I also agree that, under more normal
circumstances, ethnic diversity can be a source of richness for a
society. The former USSR has some rather extreme problems right
now.)

Von Zammonhoff (sp?) _invented_ a language called Esperanto in the
early 1900's. It was supposed to be a "universal" language that
would enable everyone to be able to communicate with each other. I
think the intention was that it be a second language and not
supposed to supplant native languages. As I understand it, Von
Zammonhoff's basic idea was that ethnocentricity is a primary source
of misunderstanding, wars and all other manner of social maladies.
The presence of a common, "universal" language allowing everyone to
communicate with each other was supposed to help overcome the "my
way is better than yours" attitude. It was supposed to help us learn
to accept each others' diversity.

I seem to remember that Von Zammonhoff based this "universal"
language on the "romance" (or Latin-based) languages of western
Europe, neglecting Arabic, Chinese, and all of the other
non-European languages. As a result it failed to become widely
accepted as intended because it was really not "universal". There
are still some academics who speak it. I've also heard that a rather
significant amount of the world's great literature has been
translated into Esperanto.

I know one word of Esperanto: "mondcivitan". It means "world
citizen"!

My memory of the history of Esperanto is rather sketchy and I
apologize for any inaccuracies cited above. Can anyone else fill in
the details or correct my errors?  Comments?

=jack=

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From: Charles.House@f8.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Charles House)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: IQ-A different view.
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 01:53:56 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:300/8 - Edge of Forever, Tucson AZ

I was in a 'Gifted' program in Tucson, Az. Here is my thought on IQ 
Testing.
I believe the only factor that should deturmine how on how intelligent one is. How you look at a problem is what determines Inteligence. Nothing more. You can set a computer to many tasks, however, how it approaches each situation and solves it determines how good the program is. I suggest we need but devise a way to test for creativity, and we will have devised a method for determining a relitive inteligence.
oops, out of  time.


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From: Jeff.Miller@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Re: Female companion!!
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:55:55 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Erin,
  Lookin' for somebody? Well I know the man for you!!!! hehehehe!!!! His name
is Mark Schukantz!!!! hehehehe!!!!
:-) hehehehe!!!!! I just can't stop laughing!!!! hehehehe!!!!
   - Jeff ( who else ) hehehehe!!!!


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From: Rollie.Arthur@f131.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Rollie Arthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: AT&T Net
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:36:22 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/131 - The right place, Tacoma WA

Jeff, I am sory that it has taken so long to respond to your post but I had no 
way of getting a reply back to you until I saw your post about distance
education. The number that you can call to find out more about the AT&T  Net
is 1-800-367-7225. I'm at school now and will send more info later tonight
when I get home.
Rollie


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From: Katherin.Mcarthur@f127.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Katherin Mcarthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 20:43:21 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/127 - Fudruckers!! BBS, Albany NY

In a message quoted from Robert L. Lamons (Bob on 08 Mar 92 02:01:00.
Robert L. Lamons (Bob said to All...

RLL(> I agree.  Most homeschoolers communicate better than their
RLL(> peers.  They have never been talked down to or riduiculed.
RLL(> They have no hesitations to just speak out.

     But homeschooling isn't necessary for that.  I just always assumed that adults who talked down to me were impolite idiots, and that people who didn't were normal.  ::chuckle::  But I've been very lucky to get the parents that I have.  And no, I wasn't homeschooled, I went to public school.  (Went?  Am going.  :))


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From: Jim.Bridges@f94.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Bridges)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Re: IQ-A different view.
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 92 20:07:52 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/94 - Monroe Electronic M, Monroe NY

Hi Charles,

 CH> I suggest we need but devise a way to test for creativity,
 CH> and we will have devised a method for determining a relitive 
 CH> inteligence. oops, out of  time.
     
Unfortunately, the same controversy that has plagued assessment of
intelligence has also plagued assessment of creativity.  First one
needs to get an operational definition before one devises a test.
There are a number of different tests currently on the market, each
with a slightly different definition of creativity, as also exists
with IQ.

Regards from staid ole New York



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From: Jeff.Miller@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: cute?!?!
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:51:59 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Is anybody else thats here cute? ( like me of course! ) hehehe!!!! Or just plain
handsome, rich, sophisticated, suave, or EXTREMELY gifted? ( like me )


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From: Scott.Engel@f14.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Engel)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: IQs
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 08:31:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/14 - Pioneer Telegraph, Miles City MT

No anxiety needed!  I don't take any criticism personally if it 
comes from someone I can respect.  You seem to be an individual that 
I respect.  You points are all well constructed and valid. 
Furthermore, they seem to be very pertinent to the situation.  I 
might as well let the cat out of the bag, I am a psychologist.  Not 
only am a psychologist, but I am a RESEARCH psychologist.  Ooh! 
Aah! (please detect sarcasm)  I like to play the devil's advocate a 
lot, in fact almost all of the time.  I agree wholeheartily with 
your statements.  Psychological constructs are different than 
physics constructs, and I find it appalling that so many 
psychologists have what Leahey (1990) calls "physics envy", and what 
I as a post baby-boomer call the "wannabe" syndrome.  I agree with 
your definition of intelligence, and as you pointed out, we all have 
our own definitions of IT.  It's like God or something.  I am 
curious, are you one of "us" - the social science profession?  You 
mentioned your background in physics.  I myself started out in music 
and philosophy and now I do what cannot be denied as hard science; 
that is neuro-(fill in the blank with anatomy, physiology, science, 
biology - whatever is the going term these days).  I was a wannabe 
for a long time and now I have accepted the fact that somethings are 
gray instead of black and white.  All I now is the little 
intelligence I have comes out in strange ways that are inexplainable 
at times.  This is why to me intelligence remains a mystery, and I 
have a beef with DR.  WHOEVER who tells me that intelligence IS this 
and this and this, and so this kid gets in the gifted program and 
this kid doesn't.  I was lucky enough to get into my school's 
program, and all the tangents attached with it! (nerd, etc...) 
Thanks for taking the time and energy to respond, I hope we will 
continue to have these dialogues that are for no reason but the 
reasons we give to them!

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From: Rollie.Arthur@f131.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Rollie Arthur)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tag
Subject: Canadian Territories
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:40:10 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/131 - The right place, Tacoma WA

One of my students is writing a HyperCard stack and needs to know the
"official" difference between a Canadian Territory and Province. He has tried
to find out but hasn't succeeded-- any help would be appreciated. Thanx....
Rollie


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