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From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Democratic definitions
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:45:14 GMT

I keep hearing that Clinton is a moderate democrat within the Democatic
Party.  The problem that I am having is that I am unsure of the definitions
of liberal, moderate, and conservative as they are applied to political
philosophy.

For example, my understanding of "liberal" has been defined by and in
reaction to conservative republician policys.  I am very interested in
how the different ideological camps within the democratic party would
approach specific problems.

Can anyone give examples of how policy objectives might be approached
differently by each of these groups of democrats?

Do you consider yourself liberal, moderate, conservative and why do 
you feel that is the most appropriate approach?

Paul

-- 
                          * * * * * * *
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 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
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From: dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dick Cleek)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:11:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <Bz9vK3.MJ2@apollo.hp.com>, by goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman):
and various followups:

>>>>you would have been unable to see any Arab faces.  The people are
>>>>standard sub-Saharan African, i.e. black.

hardly that simple, there is no "standard sub-Saharan African - look at the
nasal and cranial stucture, not just skin color, and you'll see!

>     At any rate, whether Somalia is an Arab country is not as
>     important as the fact that it is a member of the Arab League -

What is more important is that it is an Islamic country, and mainstream
Sunni at that.

BTW, the somali language is in the Afro-Asiatic (old Hamito-Semitic) family,
as is Arabic and that's close enough for government work.
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Don't be silly, please
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:13:09 GMT

In article <BzB3KE.1Fy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>My theory on the ulterior motive is that Somalia is a "back door"
>into Bosnia. Now that we have gone to Somalia to help the people
>starving there, we have established a precedent for intervention
>in Bosnia. In fact, just last night I heard this idea floated on
>one of the major network news shows, i.e. If we can do it for
>Somalia, why can't we do it for Bosnia?

The irony is that I've heard it the other way around.  When actions by the
US against Yugoslavia were discussed, there were cries of "why are we
considering action against yugoslavia when millions of Somalis are in much
worse shape?  Is it because they are the wrong race to be concerned about?"

Damned if you do, damned if you don't....

I personally suspect that the ulterior motive is that George Bush wants to
go out of office doing something good, making sure that Clinton doesn't get a
chance to start it instead and get the credit for it.  It probably wasn't
meant as a Bosnia precedent, because Bush has no reason to give Clinton a
precedent of any kind.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: oedipus@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: ***(NEW EDITION) JAPANYES;VERY POPULAR PAPER ON JAPANESE BUSINESS STRATEGY (2of2)
Summary: Japanyes, the world is racist.
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:39:35 GMT
Reply-To: oedipus@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Distribution: na

In article <1728@rwja.umdnj.edu>, jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
> nsightful article. But I hope American anger toward Japan 
> doesn't extend to their fellow Americans of asian origin.  
> On the East coast, I have already felt an increase in hostility,
> and in New York City, crime has increased against asians by 600%.
>  
> There is a fine line between Japan bashing and race hating, and 
> the main stream media, in their efforts to rouse emotionalism &
> americans were not. Vincent Chin was beaten to death by two men
> who thought that he was japanese.  The judge gave the men
> probation.  This happened during the last recession.
>  
> This is scary because the mainstream news media doesn't seem to
> acknowledge, and sometimes feeds the fire of race hate towards
> asians.  I was really scared about my future as an american
> around the spring of '92, because I asked myself : what would
> happen if the country enters a severe and prolonged
> depression?
>  
> perfect strangers who regard me a symbol of "asian domination or
> conspiracy" rather than as a person and fellow citizen.
> Okay, asian stereotyping is in no way close to the severe and
> sometimes debilitating stereotyping and racism directed towards
> African americans, or other minorities, but that does not
>  
> John S. Park
> UMDNJ-RWJ
> at Rutgers, NJ.


All that John has written is, I'm sure, very true.  
Also, having read Japanyes and having experiences Asian business practices, 
Japanyes is very true.

I worked for a Taiwanese company, and being of European descent I was blatantly
an inferior second class person.  Almost every single Euro-American that I
know who has worked for an Asian company has experienced extreme dnegative      
discrimination.  My conclusion is that, in general, all ethnic groups on this
planet stereotype individuals outside of their group (race, creed, color).
What to do?

While working to eliminate these problems by propogating new memes of 
brotherhood/sisterhood, one world = one people, multi-culturalism,
we must still accept that  not everyone is embracing these new concepts
and that many people would still love to dominate everyone else.

We must examine how much we all stereotype others, and work to stop it.
Simultaneously, we must recognize how others are stereotyping us and 
subtly working against us (whoever _we_ are), and work to prevent that.

Throw open all the doors, bring light of awareness into all the dark 
corners.  Get it in writing.

Peace and Love,
Edsarr
-- 
Rev.Dr.Oedipus P. Wienushausen        #    The only constant is change;
oedipus@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us	      #      enjoy the illusory dance. 
                                      #   Love is the nature of universe. 
Poised on the brink: Utopia/Oblivion  #  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:45:28 GMT

pnmideast@igc.apc.org writes:


>From: <pnmideast>
>Subject: Rape After Rape After Rape

>Listen guys,
>When I first heard about the rapes I was skeptical too. But
>when I saw reports ie.below, I started to rethink.

>This is crossposted from yugo.antiwar and gn:warresisters on the
>IGC/APC networks.

>Jennifer Smith
>pnmideast@igc.apc.org

A few points about your recent post:

1) It is a sad thing about war that atrocities occur. I don't
have trouble believing that there is some truth in your post.
One of the sad things about wars is that rapes occur -- even
when they are our own soldiers, war brings out the worst in
people. Yes, *war is like that.*

2) You do not suggest what we ought to do about this in your
post. I assume that you are not advocating U.S. military
involvement in the region. I hope you do not advocate such
involvement. Bringing in more troops will just compound an
already chaotic situation. 

3) Just a reminder -- we are broke, remember? (By "we" I mean
the United States). You remember what being broke means, don't
you? It means that for the past decade, the U.S. government
has responded to its domestic crises by saying "gee, we'd like
to help... but we don't have the money." Are children in the
United States going to bed hungry? Yes, and darnit, if we had
the money we would do something about it. Are families living
in the streets? Yes, and we'd help except, alas, we have no
money. Are a high percentage of U.S. citizens unable to receive
minimal health care? Sad but true, but (as the government keeps
saying) *we have no money.*

But if a civil war is going on in Europe, well that (money)
is not an issue. Why aren't they saying "we have no money?"
Why aren't I hearing that now?


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."



Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:27:32 GMT

In <1992Dec16.221658.28067@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.205804.17365@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bobh@troy.cc.bellcore.com (hettmansperger,robert) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.010009.4765@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>>	
>>>	If the Somalis are part of the Arab League, why the hell aren't
>>>	*they* feedin' em?  Christ, why should we pay to feed a bunch
>>                            ^^^^^^
>>>	of people who haven't figured out that ol' equation:
>>> 
>>>	Don't have more kids than you can feed. 
>>>
>>>	Survival of the fittest, I say.  Good riddance.
>>>
>>
>>Hmm.  Interesting use of "Christ" as an explitive given the message you are
>>trying to convey.
>>
>>-Bob

>	Are you covertly accusing me of being a christian?
> 
>	Hahahahaha.
> 
>	Nope, afraid not.  Christ just happens to be easy to
>	say--I could have said, "Dammit" or "Look," or whatever.
> 
>	Finger my .plan and see for yourself (looong).

FYI, "Look" takes two less keystrokes than "Christ."  And those keys are
right next to each other.

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From: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Rape after rape after rape
Keywords: Cut the feedline
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:36:35 PST
Reply-To: snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



>This is a sickening response to what looks like calculated genocide.
>Yes, there are atrocities in war, and lies too.  But the reports coming
>out of Bosnia seem extremely credible.  Should we be worried about
>propoganda?  Yes.  But in this case the testimony is overwhelming.

>Get off it, man.

    It's been said that an army travels on it's stomach.  If  this  band  of
   marauding  rapists  resembles  an  army , it's important that we find out
   who is feeding them, keeping them supplied ,and so on. History  tells  us
   that  major  banking interests generally love to finance armed conflicts.
   If there is really anything to  this  story,  let's  dig  a  little  into
   finding  out  who's  financing who ,then send the Marines into the proper
   boardroom.

   Jim Ostrowski



Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Spaying and neutering alles!!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:11:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.153604.13857@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> ausdal@ece.scarolina.edu (Thi Van Ausdal) writes:
>OK, now it's been said (glad I wasn't the first one to say it) and I'll
>build on that thread.

	I've gotten more flames on my sand .sig than I've had in
	years.  Most of them are so poorly written (read: a 
	display of illiteracy the likes of which I have never
	seen before).


>	I say we spay and neuter them.  50% of males, 50% of females.


	Extremely expensive.  A better idea is something like Norplant,
	which is both cheap to buy and cheap to insert (the $500 procedure
	is almost all profit--it can be done in minutes with a simple
	tool).

	Of course, they have the right to have all the children they
	want, so I'd nix that one on human rights grounds.
 
	The thing that gets me, though, is this:
 
	We're waging a military operation to restore the
	flow of R E L I E F supplies.  Doesn't anyone else see 
	anything wrong with this?  Christ, all these people saying
	the problem is the warlords and so on--the problem isn't 
	them, the problem is that THE LAND CAN'T SUPPORT THEM.  If it 
	could, there wouldn't be relief supplies to block.  

	It's insane.  Clearly, they've exceeded the numbers that the 
	land can support.  By feeding these people, we're contributing to the
	problem and all the effort goes to no benefit.  To compare, 
	Japan has a population *far* above what Japan could support
	if they couldn't import food--but they *pay* for their food, and
	this helps the world economy, and so on.  Somalia, even if
	it wasn't starving, is what?  Some useless 3rd world nation with
	little or no resources, human or otherwise, to produce anything
	to repay the efforts.  We might as well be shoveling money and
	labor into a hole--the world will see about the same benefit.


>	That's cool, we have B-52's and all the 500-lb. bombs we need to
>barbecue half the country and feed the rest with them. 
>		END WORLD HUNGER
>			KILL ALL THE STARVING PEOPLE.

	Yes, I knew this message was in the name of sarcasm.  Mine
	is not.

-- 
	"If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"

	Rule 1:  "Don't have more children than you can feed."
		Nuclear redevelopment for a better world!
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From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Re: ***(NEW EDITION) JAPANYES;VERY POPULAR PAPER ON JAPANESE BUSINESS STRATEGY (2of2)
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:18:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Distribution: na
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ


nsightful article. But I hope American anger toward Japan 
doesn't extend to their fellow Americans of asian origin.  
On the East coast, I have already felt an increase in hostility,
and in New York City, crime has increased against asians by 600%.
 
There is a fine line between Japan bashing and race hating, and 
the main stream media, in their efforts to rouse emotionalism &
ratings, unscrupulously plowed across that line many times. 
 
Every time Japan does something bad, asian americans get the
brunt of the anger and resentment.  For example, the japanese
americans wereinterned into camps during WII. German and italian
americans were not. Vincent Chin was beaten to death by two men
who thought that he was japanese.  The judge gave the men
probation.  This happened during the last recession.
 
This is scary because the mainstream news media doesn't seem to
acknowledge, and sometimes feeds the fire of race hate towards
asians.  I was really scared about my future as an american
around the spring of '92, because I asked myself : what would
happen if the country enters a severe and prolonged
depression?
 
Now, after the election, the general mood seems more optimistic.
Whew' that was a close call, but what about the next time there
is deep anger at another asian country?
 
There are enough commonly accepted derisive stereotypes about
asians to deal with, let alone hostility or resentment from
perfect strangers who regard me a symbol of "asian domination or
conspiracy" rather than as a person and fellow citizen.
 
Okay, asian stereotyping is in no way close to the severe and
sometimes debilitating stereotyping and racism directed towards
African americans, or other minorities, but that does not
make it acceptable.  
Also to be made to feel as an "enemy of the United States" is
truly frightening, and it is an offense to one's honor to be
labelled "unamerican."
 
My father took a deep cut in pay and career advancement,
to work in a war Veterans' hospital. I am hoping to work in
medical research to help in some way as well.  Things may be
different on the west coast, but it's truly depressing
here on the east coast.
 
 
John S. Park
UMDNJ-RWJ
at Rutgers, NJ.
 
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:04:21 GMT

In article <BzGL99.IHz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>I refer you to World War I and the infamous "Rape of the Belgium Nuns."
>At that time similar allegations were trumpeted in this country. Predictably,
>an outraged U.S. citizenry called for action on the part of the U.S.
>to put a halt to such horrors on the part of the evil "Hun." (i.e. German)

I refer you to World War II and the infamous "Nazi death camps."  At that time
similar allegations were trumpeted....

and it was worse than people had ever imagined.

I wonder, do you believe the Holocaust ever happened?  (And before someone
quotes the usual wisdom about mentioning Nazis in arguments, let me point out I
have my own corollary, which says that it doesn't apply when the topic is
actually related to Nazis.)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:01:29 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <BzGL99.IHz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:

>>Hello,

>>	What follows is an article from the New York Times.  
>>The article is about the calculated destruction of the Bosnian Muslims.  The
>>article contains extremely graphic descriptions of brutality, torture, and
>>rape.  

>I refer you to World War I and the infamous "Rape of the Belgium Nuns."
>At that time similar allegations were trumpeted in this country. Predictably,
>an outraged U.S. citizenry called for action on the part of the U.S.
>to put a halt to such horrors on the part of the evil "Hun." (i.e. German)

This is a sickening response to what looks like calculated genocide.
Yes, there are atrocities in war, and lies too.  But the reports coming
out of Bosnia seem extremely credible.  Should we be worried about
propoganda?  Yes.  But in this case the testimony is overwhelming.  

Get off it, man.



-- 

__________________________________________________________
Steve Miller				stcmille@panix.com
		A Famous Rock Star!
From: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: KEMP/HUD SCANDAL END
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 


Some tenants feel that he might have dragged the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development and the New York City Housing Authority
into the mud with singing about federal money going to organized
crime contractors.

Earlier this year the NY Post had disclosed that the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development had directed the New York City Housing
Authority to give a contract to organized crime contractors.

Rumor has it that there are VERY interesting minutes of meetings
floating around town. These minutes name names; contractors, New York
City Housing Authority big shots, US Department of Housing and Urban
Development big shots. Ears burning!

Rumor has it that some New York City Housing Authority employees
involved with money handling are SO upset that they have circulated
open letters complaining about what the employees feel are
improprieties. Now, if this is true, many people at New York City
Housing Authority would already know about this. Has there been
recent quick changes at the NYCHA? Will anyone step forward publicly?

Following a recent Normandeau Newswire posting someone suggested that
Anderson Windows of Brooklyn and Section 8 funding should be looked
into. It was said that Mead Esposito was connected with the firm. But
Queensbridge Houses tenant leaders simply don't have time to
investigate -so many scandals, so little time.

                                 ###

E-Mail Internet: ray.normandeau@factory.com
If your transmission is not acknowledged, it didn't get thru.
                 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.current-events.somalia
From: bobh@troy.cc.bellcore.com (hettmansperger,robert)
Subject: Re: Somalia an Arab country??? no! [was: It's Blood for Oill, again.]
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.010009.4765@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	
>	If the Somalis are part of the Arab League, why the hell aren't
>	*they* feedin' em?  Christ, why should we pay to feed a bunch
                            ^^^^^^
>	of people who haven't figured out that ol' equation:
> 
>	Don't have more kids than you can feed. 
>
>	Survival of the fittest, I say.  Good riddance.
>

Hmm.  Interesting use of "Christ" as an explitive given the message you are
trying to convey.

-Bob
From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Subject: [talk.politics.drugs]US takes WOSD to Somalia
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:37:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: US takes WOSD to Somalia
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:15:54 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Radio NZ reported this morning that a US marine commander in Somalia
said that Khat was considered contraband and was being confiscated.

-- 

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth,soc.women