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From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Brijesh Kumar)
Subject: Washington Ready to Brand Pakistan a Terrorist State
Organization: University College, London (U.K)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:47:05 GMT


          Washington Ready to Brand Pakistan a Terrorist State

                     Gerald Bourke in Islamabad
                   Source: The Guardian, London
                   Page 9, Deecmeber 14 ' 1992

The United States government is seriously considering branding 
pakistan a terrorist state, Western diplomats in Islamabad said 
yesterday.

If it goes ahead, this once staunch American ally would be added
to a list that includes Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, North Korea and
Cuba-- all of which are deemed by the state department to be 
sponsors of international terrorism.

The point at issue is Pakistan's perceived support for militant
Muslim separatists in Indian-controlled Kashmir.

A report in a local newspaper on Saturday quoted sources "close" 
to the state department as saying that "Pakistan's training facilities 
and material assistance" to Kashmiri guerillas made its addition to the
list "obligatory".

US legislation requires the state department to submit a list of states
promoting terrorism to Congress before December 31 each year.

Washington severs air links and bans trade with listed countries. It
encourages other governments to do likewise and presses financial
institutions such as World Bank to suspend loans. "Pakistan, as far as
the United States is concerned, would become a non-country", a diplomat
said yesterday.

In a letter to the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, last May, the then
US secretary of state, James Baker, accused "official
agencies" in Pakistan supporting militants in divided Himalyan state
"who have commited act of terrorism". He warned that if the covert aid
did not end, Pakistan would be declared a rogue state.

Little seems to have changed. "The evidence appears to be compellig,"
a Western military source said.

( News report goes on to explain US/Pak relationship over last few years.)

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Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: ajayshah@alnitak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Subject: India - More foreign firms approved on BSE
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:36:40 GMT


Source: Wall Street Journal
Date  : Dec 14, 1992
Country: India

                            * * * * *

SEBI has approved six more international institutional investors
on the BSE.  They are:

  - Montgomery Emerging Markets Fund
  - Montgomery Asset Management LP Group Trust
  - Lloyd George Investment Management (Bermuda) Ltd.
  - Fledgeling Nominees International Ltd. (Cayman Islands)
  - Robert Fleming Nominees Ltd. (UK)
  - GT Management (Asia) Ltd. (Hong Kong)

This is in addition to two approved last month: Aga Khan Fund and
Barclays de Zoete Wedd Investment Management Ltd.

                                * E N D *
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: dea@rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Subject: India - Peace returns to the troubled states
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:05:58 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY


Source   : BBC World Service News 
Date   :     Saturday Dec 12, 1992 ( 10:00 am & 3:00 pm)
Country:  India


The situation in India appears to be calm after 5 days of 
violence. As of now over 1,000 people are reported to have died in 
various incidents all over the country. Compared with the last 
few days, the situation right now appears to be peaceful in general.

Most of the deaths reported now are either those of people
who succumbed to injuries in hospitals or because of dead
bodies being recovered. In Bihar eight bodies were   
recovered from a well recently.

Reports from Calcutta quote authorities there saying that
over 70 members of the recently outlawed RSS (Rashtriya
Sawamsevak Sangh) have been arrested. 

BBC reporter Sam Miller reported that outside of West 
Bengal state, hardly any action seem to have been taken
against the outlawed communal organisations.

                             * E N D *
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Subject: "Terrorist State" - Pakistan had no information from Washington 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:42:20 GMT


Source  : The CGI
Date    : Dec 18, 1992
Country : Pakistan

                             * * * * *

* Pakistan says it had not received any communication from Washington
        and James Baker earlier did write several letters 


Islamabad - Dec 18: Pakistan thrusday claimed it had received no official
communication from Washington that the US was considering to include it
in the list of "terrorist states."
	There is no question of Pakistan being considered or included
in a list of "terrorist states" by the US. "We do not support forces which
kidnap people and kill them in staged encounters," a foregin office 
spokesman told newsmen while making an obvious reference to the killings
of two Pakistan nationals in an encounter in Punjab on Oct 15 last.
	In case of Kashmir, he said, "Pakistan was extending political and
moral support."  "We do not provide any military assistance. We are prepared 
to subject this contention to international verification," he added.
	Press reports from Washington had said that the state department 
was considering declaring Pakistan a "terrorist state" on the basis of 
evidence collected by it. 
	Asked if the former US secretary of state James Baker had
written any letters on the issue to Pakistan, the spokesman said, "Baker had
written several letters but their contents were confidential."
	There has been no official communication form Washington to
the government of Pakistan in this regard. The US has already declared 
Libya and Iran as "terrorist states."

* Pakistan expels three non-diplomatic officials

Islamabad - Dec 18: Pakistan today declared an official of the Indian High
Commission in Islamabad and two staff members in the Karachi consulate as 
persona non grata for indulging in activities incompatible with their 
functions and mission in Pakistan. They are R.L.Khurana, an assistant in the 
Islamabad mission, O.P.Sharma and Anil Saha both assistants in the Karachi
consulate. 
	While Kurana was posted in Pakistan three years ago, Sharma
came to this country in 1990 and Saha in 1991.
	Reactin to the Pakistan decision, an Indian High Commission spokesman 
here described the move as unnecessary escalation and clear retaliation.
	Briefing newsmen, a Pak foreign office spokesman said, the Indian
officials who had been declared persona non grata would be given
adequate time to leave. The Indian deputy High Commissioner Bala Anand was 
summoned to the foreign office this morning and was conveyed Islamabad's 
decision.

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Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
From: v113mg59@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald T Coslick Jr)
Newsgroups: misc.int-property
Subject: Re: outline
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:06:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec7.211632.22075@panix.com>, oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes...
>In <1992Dec5.233430.13796@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.stanford.edu (Theodore Chen) writes:
> 
>>hi, i was wondering if there are any commercial outlines for
>>intellectual property.  it'd be nice to find something like
>>gilbert's or emmanuel's to give a summary of the law in this area.
>>(copyright, trademark, unfair competition.)
> 
>Yes there are lots.  Go to any law school bookstore and you will find,
>for example, the Nutshell on Intellectual Property.  
                  ^^^^^^^^
I found the Nutshell to be very difficult to use (but they have updated
it since then so maybe it's better now).

>Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
>30 Rockefeller Plaza
>New York, NY  10112-0228
>voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519

Ron Coslick
From: lief@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lief Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:52:38 GMT
Subject: Re: PRODIGY New and improved STILL SUCKS, HORRIBLE as before
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

> In misc.consumers, imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
> 
> 
> If you are considering joining Prodigy as a new member, or left and are
> considering rejoining with their "come back" mailing efforts, or are
> just thinking Prodigy is the service you should use - just several
> pairs of two words:  STAY AWAY!  IT SUCKS!  BAD MOVE!
> 
> ( a bunch of stuff deleted )
> 
> Prodigy is AMPLE proof that the two parents of it should have stuck to
> their core businesses.
> 
> Imran Anwar
> 
> PS I love internet and Compuserve if you wanted to know :-)

What I see here is the ramblings of anti-semitism!  It is no secret that the
parent companies of Prodigy have a strong Jewish backing.  And with a name
like "Imran Anwar", it does not surprise me that you should have such a hate
for anything that smells Jewish.  In fact, I have a very good Lebanese friend
here who will have absolutely nothing to do with Prodigy because of this.
Personally, I think you guys are missing out on one of the greatest online
services provided.

I have been a Prodigy user since early last spring, and have had nothing but
great experience with it.  In fact, I spent a lot of time looking into some
other online services and comparing the fees and services, and Prodigy beats
them all hands down.  As for all your connect problems, don't blame Prodigy
for this - it sounds more like the guy who configured your system forgot to
read the manual.

Here is another point I would like to make about Prodigy.  I have heard folks
say that they do not like all the advertising that Prodigy does.  Well, then
for those folks, they can use Compuserve.  But let me tell you - its the
advertising on Prodigy that makes it such a great service for the members.
Why?  Because Prodigy is in large part financed by its advertisers, and thus
the members do not have to pay such outrageous connect fees.  On the other
hand, your other online services are almost 100% financed by member fees, and
thus they are much much more expensive.

 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 + Lief Sorensen         lief@hpfclm.fc.hp.com +         --\\\\o___           +
 + Hewlett Packard Co.                         +     --\\\\o___               +
 + Fort Collins, Colorado                      + --\\\\o___      Rev. 14:6-12 +
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tommy@hilbert.att.com (Tom Reingold)
Subject: Re: Opinions on car leasing wanted
Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:40 GMT

matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:

$ A friend of mine is toying with the idea of leasing a car,
$ specifically a Honda Accord. She has heard good and bad
$ things about leasing; I've heard mostly bad things about
$ leasing. I told her I would post here (she's not on the Net)
$ and see what people here had to say about the concept.
$ Apply by post (I read this group frequently) or by email
$ and I will summarize the responses.

$ Thanks in advance for any and all input.

Leasing can be ok if 1. they give you a good deal and if 2. you really
would replace your car every three or four years.

1. I understand they rarely give you a good deal and are trained to
confuse you into not telling how good the deal is.  The easiest trick
is to compare the payments.  The big thing they "forget" to mention is
that at the end of purchase payments, you have a car.  At the end of a
lease, you have nothing.  So payments damned well should be less -- a
lot less.  They're usually only a little less.

2. It's a bad idea to change your car every three or four years unless
you know what a waste of money it is.  Some people think they save
money by replacing their cars frequently.  It doesn't take a math
wizard to see that this is ludicrous.

Buy a car and drive it until it's ten years old or hits 150,000 miles.
Read "Car Talk" by Tom and Ray Magliozzi.  It's very humorous and gives
lots of advice for saving money on the purchase and upkeep of cars.
-- 
Tom Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Trolling for Taillights (WAS: Radar detectors...)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:53:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <22758@drutx.ATT.COM>, bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham) writes:
> 
> I just purchased a kit made by Ramsy Electronics called the "Speedy
> Personal Radar", a neat little radar gun for $89.  It comes with
> everything you need, except 2 coffee cans, and should take about
> 2-3 hours to build.  It does not use standard cop frequencies, and
> is low enough power so that you don't need a license for it.  They
> claim that it will work up to 1/4 mile away.  I think that it uses
> the frequencies that alarm systems use, and since alarm systems will
> set off most radar detectors, this kit should be perfect for TFT.
> 
> When I put mine together, I unfortunately broke a plug socket (read
> the instructions ALL the way through!!!), and I haven't had a chance
> to take it apart and fix it yet.  As soon as I do, I'll be TFT
> (so if you are in Denver, and your detector goes off, and a white
> 1976 Caddy is near you, don't slow down, it's only me :-)

...and where, pray tell (or should I say "prey tell" :-) is Ramsy 
Electronics?

Speaking on this thread in general... as I sit back and reflect, I KNOW I've 
been had by TFTers.  There have been several occasions where it's happened
on a road I know like the back of my hand... and there's NO cover for Smokey.

A couple of times, it's happened several times -- I even craned my neck,
looking for a nonexistent airplane or chopper.  The light dawns........ 

So don't hold back... where did ya say this outfit is?  :-)
------

Paul Havemann, VP        HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 | 1-800-UPDATES
Internet: paul@hsh.com   Compuserve: 70410,3507  America On-Line: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company."
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan,sci.electronics,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs,soc.culture.usa
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

I moved here 8+ years ago from the Chicago area.  My entire family
(large too) is still in the Chicago area - which can be a strong
draw to move back, but I'll not leave the bay area.

I like living in an area where the mountains break up a blank
sky.  Chicago is flat as a pancake - you get so excited when you
head downtown becuase skyscrapers break up the skyline.

Weather?  No comparison.  The climate here is awesome!  I can
visit snow on my terms - rather than have it visit me.

One poster said 8 million in the bay area - big deal.  Chicago
has 8 million (I think) in a much smaller area.  Pollution -
sometimes its bad, but not nearly as bad as Los Angeles.
Also, the bay area is expanding - especially east (Pleasanton)
and south (San Jose).  These outlying areas are still very
underdeveloped and offer a lot to newcomers and oldtimers.

Real estate is all about location.  Real estate is high, because
opportunity is high and environment is awesome.  In other words,
you get what you pay for.  

To each his own - I prefer living near the things that the bay
area has to offer (see previous post mentioning pro-sports, 
mountains, ocean, theater, etc).

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: snow tires
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:57:55 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.173221.5904@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Collard x7468) writes:
>In article <1g0es3INNnom@gareth.cs.purdue.edu> tubis@cs.purdue.edu (Charlotte I. Tubis) writes:
>>
>>Is it worth it to buy snow tires for my car?  I have a MAZDA 626.
>>Last year I skidded on the ice many times.
>
>
>SNOW tires are for SNOW.  They do not help on ice, in fact I believe
>that they are WORSE on ice than all-season tires.  I read that somewhere
>recently...anyone that can confirm/deny?

The original poster was from Purdue University, about 100 miles to the
east of my location (central Illinois).  My experience with snow tires
told me I don't need them here.  Snow tires would give a bit better traction
than 2-ply bias tires on SNOW.  I have all seasons radial tires now
and they work fine for the amount of snow we get here.

But snow tires DO NOT buy you anything on ice.  Nothing short of tank
tracts can.  (May be studded tires which are prohibited in Illinois.)
Slow down and give extra braking distance will reduce the skidding
risk.  But if it is icey like during freezing rain, avoid driving.

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
Subject: Re: Junk mail with bills
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:36:41 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7]

Stan Horwitz (STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU) wrote:
: Anyway, I just put this junk mail right back in the envelope with my payment.
: I usually bury my check in the junk mail just to inconvenience the companies.

Until the day your check gets lost in the junk and you end up missing a
payment.  Even if you can convince them you really did send the check, you'll
still have to clear things up.  A bit inconvenient.

I don't like the just inserts either, but I want to make sure they get my
payment.

							Brett Carver
							(707) 577-4344
							brett@sr.hp.com
From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re^2: VERY Low Interest Credit Cards???
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:05:19 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason) writes:

>I am afraid you are wrong. Wachovia has one for 8.9% and I saw on CBS that
>some bank had one for around 7.8% (I think). Please keep in mind that these 
>are variable rates (usually tied to the prime rate) and that you usually
>have to have an excellent credit history (and usually have a good credit
>score - ie. own a house, have not moved in last 2-3 years, have kept the
>same job for 2-3 years (ie. things that have absolutely nothing to do with
>your creditworthiness)).

I am afraid *you* are wrong. I have Wachovia's card and its accompanying
low interest rate and am simply a graduate student. I don't own a house.
I've never lived anywhere in the same place for more than a year or
two. And I change cars about as often. However, I have an excellent
credit history (have never defaulted on bills or gone over the limit
too many times :-), and I think *that* is what is on your credit
report -- not your life history!

Happy Holidays!

-John

-- 
"Down by the railway siding,              /\   John M. Grohol, M.S.
 In our secret world we were colliding,  //\\  Center for Psychological Studies
 All the places we were hiding love,    ///\\\  Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
 What was it we were thinking of?" - PG   ||    grohol@novavax.nova.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Applying For Diners Club
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:03:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Next month will be the 10th anniversary of when I passed my driving test.
And now I am finally buying a car.  I have rented more cars in the last 5
years than I even want to think about.  I have had a couple of fender
benders in them too.  I was always covered by AMEX as my primary insurer
since I had no insurance.   Now things are about to change.

So I want to apply for a Diner's Club card.  I have several trips scheduled
for next year, and if I get into a fender bender, I don't want to have to 
notify my new California auto insurer (which will probably be State Farm).
Last time I heard DC was still primary.  Hope its still true.

Anyway, I havent seen a DC application in months.  Does anyone know if they
are running any promotions for new card members?  Maybe like 2000 FF pts 
or something like that?  Let me know by e-mail if possible.  

Thanks.

--Ken
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Dumb finance question?
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:42:52 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.013919.5753@acheron.uucp>, clarke@acheron.uucp (Ed Clarke/10240000) writes:
>Here's a (maybe) dumb question for you ... given a fixed-rate no
>prepayment penalty mortgage of 10% (for example),  is paying down
>the mortgage the same as getting a 10% return on your money?  I
>THINK that it is, but something about it makes me nervous.

Yes, but not quite.  Mortgage interest is calculate on compounded
monthly basis.  A 10% mortgage actually has an annual rate of
10.466%.  Many investment returns (e.g. mutual funds) report on annual
rates.  So, make sure you compare the same.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: mag1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (michael.a.giden)
Subject: Re: Very old account - can still collect?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:21:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.204128.24449@penet.fi>, an1804@anon.penet.fi writes:
> As of this point in time, there has been no correspondence from the
> issuer or collection agencies in a couple years.  There has been NO (and
> this is the legal kicker, I think) activity on the account, either debits
> or credits, for over *FOUR* years.
> 
> Now the issuer has hired a legal firm to try to collect.  I was told that
> 
As I remember from Contracts Law, a creditor has 7 years to collect
a debt.  Also, even if those 7 years are up, and they can trick you into
afirming that debt in writing, they get another 7 years to collect.  Your
best bet is to try and work out a payment schedule with them.  Sometimes
they may even be willing to settle for part of the money.  Of course the
earlier you talk to them the better, not doing anything for four years
to settle it won't help you.

Mike Giden







> Any references, suggestions, or advice welcomed!
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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Dumb finance question?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:43:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5753@acheron.uucp, clarke@acheron.uucp (Ed Clarke/10240000) writes:
>given a fixed-rate no
>prepayment penalty mortgage of 10% (for example),  is paying down
>the mortgage the same as getting a 10% return on your money? 

Simple answer:  yes.

Complex answer:  almost.  Since you get a tax deduction on the
future mortgage interest, and a market return of 10% is most likely
taxable, your market return is somewhat less.

Another issue to consider, although not related to the "return" on your
prepayment, is the wisdom of investing money in your house vs.
elsewhere. If you keep the house until you die, then yes, your return
on prepaying mortgage is very nearly 10%.  If you ever plan to sell it,
you need to consider if you are building equity in property that will
appreciate or depreciate.

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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