From: ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen)
Subject: Re: Humanism (personal experience)
Organization: University of Turku
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Date: 22 Nov 92 10:57:44

In article <1992Nov20.173314.5476@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.142316.41011@watson.ibm.com>, I wrote:
> |> In article <LJMORLY.92Nov20114056@polaris.utu.fi>, ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen) writes:
> |> |> In article <1992Nov19.212119.44482@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
> |> |> > There is also secular humanism, which is very like Jewish humanism
> |> |> > except that God-language is replaced by more rationalist language.
> |> |>                                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |> |> 
> |> |> May I ask you one question: Do you believe in God ? 
> |> 
> |> Yes.  That's why I'm a Jewish humanist.

> I meant instead the "Jewish humanism" definition discussed
> earlier in this thread, in which God requires of us the duty
> to improve the world for the sake of man.  This is a view
> which I think all movements within Judaism share.

So, you believe in "God requires of us the duty to improve the world for
the sake of man". Well, I believe in GOD. 

Isaiah 57:11-13: " "Whom have you so dreaded and feared that you have 
been false to me, and have neither remembered me nor pondered this in 
your hearts ? Is it not because I have been silent that you do not fear
me ? I will expose your righteousness and your works, and they will not
benefit you. When you cry our for help, let your collection of idols 
save you ! The wind will carry all of them off, a mere breath will blow
them away. But the man who makes me his refuge will inherit the land 
and possess my holy mountain." "

Isaiah 50:5-6: "The Sovereign LORD has opened my ears, and I have not 
been rebellious; I have not drawn back. I offered my back to those who
beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my
face from mocking and spitting." 

Psalm 40:7-9 (6-8): "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but 
my ears you have pierced (/opened); burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come -- it is
written about me in the scroll. I desire to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart."

Isaiah 53:4-6: "Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our 
sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and
afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed 
for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the
iniquity of us all."

You asked, do I believe in Jewish Humanism. No I don't. For that matter
I don't believe in "Christianity", either, but in Yeshua haMashiach,
El Gibbor Hashem Tzidkeinu.

- Laura






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"They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and
strength.' All who have raged against him will come to him and
be put to shame. But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel
will be found righteous and will exult."       Yeshaya 45:24-25

"Achen Ata El mistater Elohei Israel Moshia."  Yeshaya 45:15
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