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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Pack Hierarchy
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.201537.3602@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Mary Blumenstock) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Jake & Charlie get along great.  There were very few dominance
>struggles at the beginning and virtually none now.  Although
>Jake was the established pet in the house, there is no mistaking
>that Charlie is the dominant one.  The concern I have is this:
>Jake has mild hip dysplasia and a low-normal thyroid reading.
>He therefore tends to seek out warm, comfortable places to
>snuggle up and sleep.  Charlie, however, totally resents this,
>and whenever Jake is on the one old, comfortable chair that we
>allow the boys on or on his own bed at this time of the year
>(Charlie has a bed too, it's just in a cooler spot), Charlie
>goes over and chastises Jake (oow woooOOOOOOOO rooo wooo) until
>he gets up.  Now I generally don't believe in imposing

When he does get up, does Charlie immediately occupy the chair?
If not, then he may just want to play.  I suspect he does, however.
Usually, dominance stuf occurs with very little noise, unless it
is a scrap.  Jake's talking *could* be a tease, an enticement
to play.

>hieararchy on my dogs, but what should I do in these situations?

Step in and stop Charlie from doing this.  It does not have to
always be a scold, just an attention getter or a diversion.  You
should tell Charlie "NO!", and he should stop.  On other occasions,
try and predict when such a situation *may* occur, and intercept
Charlie before it does.  Distract himm by playing with him or
something.  This should also help.  As I say, however, do not
be afraid to step in when you feel it is necessary however.

Another thing you can do is buy them each identical dog beds.  I
have found that, in my house, each dog sort of stakes its own bed
out and even the dominant ones will not disturb subordinates so 
long as the subordinate is not on *his* bed.  This may not work
quite this way in your situation, but if you try and set things up
such that both beds are *equally attractive*, things may improve because
             1. CHarlie may decide that it is easier to
                just use the other bed, especially if you have
                been stepping in
             2. On the occasions when Jake does get up, he can go
                to the other bed.

I hope this helps.  E-mail me if you would like to talk more.

>
>=====================================================================
>Mary Blumenstock              mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
>Mom to the Menagerie:
> Jake, a 90 lb puppy (or so he thinks, even if he is 4!)
> The Furry Bear  (aka Charlie) (Relax, he's a dog!)
> Merlin, Gandalf, & PAWS  (The Fat Cats)
> Cuervo (a Macaw), and 
> Matt, Wheelie, NoName, The Heckels, and Rock & Roll (The Discus)
>
>

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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
Date: 30 DEC 92 14:05:03 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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In a previous article, wenzel@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Patricia Wenzel) wrote:
> 
>In article <C02wp0.7B9@boi.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
>|> In article <23026@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@drutx!att.com writes:
>|> >Seeing as this is the season, Did anybody get some neat dog gifts for 
>|> >yourself or your pals?
>|> 
> 
>Our son gave our dog a huge rawhide bone and we gave the dog a new frisbee
>(which he would rather chew than return to us).  The dog had to explore every
>box that was opened!  He just knew there would be something in there for him
>to play with!


My in-laws bought Buster a neat raw-hide/chew sticks package that looked like
a plate full of breakfast.  It was sorta "painted raw hide" looking like two 
eggs, bacon,toast,and hashbrowns.  The package was really funny to look at 
cuz on the cardboard part they had a plate and silerware...
BT 
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From: gam@sun_jimh.mentorg.com (Gary Merrick)
Subject: Re: My Strange Pooch
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:28:09 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <168C262B.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
|> Lately I've been hearing from my folks that my 2 year-old Bichon, Shana, has
|> been acting very mischievously.  She'll go to her water bowl, but instead of
|> drinking, she'll start playing with the water.  Sometimes she'll stick her
|> paws in and start batting it around, or she might stick her face in the bowl
|> and start blowing bubbles.  (I wish I could see this; it sounds hilarious.)
|>  
|> Anyway, she's never done this type of thing before, and I'm wondering why
|> she suddenly started.  Anyone have any similar experiences?

I've got a poodle/terrier mix (I think) that does something similar. His water
bowl has a color pattern in it that makes it look like there's an object at
the bottom. It's rather deep compared to the size of his head. Occasionally
I'll see him drink from it, then suddenly stop and shove his whole face into
it in an attempt to get the object from the bottom.

Another time I dropped an ice cube into his bowl to see what he would do. Buddy
wasted no time in removing it and dropping it on the floor. As many times as
I would put the ice cube back, he'd take it back out. I don't know why he does
this, but it's really cute.

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Prong collar and Lagging Dog
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:08:13 GMT

> gbelli@opal.tufts.edu writes:
> I read a post (from whom, I forget--sorry) about a pulling dog.  I have
> trouble with the opposite--a lagging dog--ie "Oh boy!  This is interesting!
> I think I'll sniff it and sniff it and maybe pull my owner out into the
> street, while I'm at it"  Anyway, the point of all this is that an item
> called
> a prong collar has been mentioned.  What is this ominously-named thing?
> A choke collar has less than no effect on Spenser--would a prong collar
> be appropriate?  Thanks so much.


If he's lagging 'cos he's distracted and inatentive, a prong might help. If
he's lagging 'cos he's unmotivated, afraid of being stepped on, afraid of
being corrected, lacking in confidence or confused about the proper position,
harsher corrections will probably make it worse. What I would do in the
second case is show him the proper position by holding him there with a short
leash until he knows where you want him and praising him LOTS when he is in
the correct place. If he needs motivation, a toy or food or playing with the
leash might help teach him that being in the right place is fun.
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Subject: Doggie Xmas
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:14:47 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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Even though I'm Jewish, several folks must have assumed that Buffy is Christian
since they gave her Christmas presents!

My favorite:  A Christmas Card with a doggie looking up at lots & lots of stars
and the inscription, "Bark the herald angels sing."

Buffy's favorite:  Her own cedar chip bed in the corner of the dining room (a
very nice present from my Mother).  Buffy's 2nd favorite:  All the wrapping
paper & other debris blown around the neighborhood by the huge windstorm on
Dec. 25. (she seems to cherish garbage anyway).

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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From: dawn1@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (dawn.e.howe)
Subject: Re: young puppies and biting
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:08:11 GMT

 In article <1992Dec30.025612.3416@osf.org>, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
|> Otis, my girlfriend's 9 wk. old Lhasa Apso male, has gotten into the habit
|> 
|> of biting everything in sight, including humans. I've used the advice of
|> a book I read that says to give him admonitions about this, but it's an
|> uphill battle. I think he's teething, and we've given him a furry bear he

Sophie was not very responsive to tapping her under the chin, as some
books suggest.  What was VERY successful was this:  when otis bites
your hand, yell "OUCH!!" very loud, but don't pull away your hand (if you
pull away, it might be a game, and otis will try to get it again).
If otis is anything like Sophie, he'll stop biting immediately, and probably
lick your hand.  Praise him when he licks your hand.  You'll find that
he'll start biting softer and softer (mouthing), but pretend to be
more and more sensitive (first, no hard bites, then no soft bites, then
no mouthing at all is allowed).  It'll take a while to get him to
completely stop, but you should see results pretty quickly.

When puppies play with other puppies, they know they've gone too
far when the other puppy yelps.  This is how they learn what is
acceptable, and you'll just be using a similar technique.

Hope this helps
Dawn Howe
ps.  If other people are around, you'll probably have to explain that
even though you are screaming in pain, you're really not hurt.  Be sure
to have everyone who handles the dog do the same, even children (my
4 year old nephew liked to yell "OW!" *really* loud), so that otis gets
the idea that he has to be very gentle with human skin.
From: mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Mary Blumenstock)
Subject: Pack Hierarchy
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:15:37 GMT

OK, here goes...

I've been reading r.p.d. for over a year now, and therefore feel
real "close" to a lot of you who've never seen my name - this is
my first post.  I've read the guidelines, but please bear with
me for any violations of netiquette.

As many of you who I've spoken with privately know, I have two
dogs - Jake & Charlie.  I adopted Jake from a backyard breeding
at 7 weeks and a year and a half later adopted Charlie as a 2 yo
adult.  A recent post on pack hierarchy by Steve Lee prompted me
to finally ask for some net wisdom on my particular situation.

Jake & Charlie get along great.  There were very few dominance
struggles at the beginning and virtually none now.  Although
Jake was the established pet in the house, there is no mistaking
that Charlie is the dominant one.  The concern I have is this:
Jake has mild hip dysplasia and a low-normal thyroid reading.
He therefore tends to seek out warm, comfortable places to
snuggle up and sleep.  Charlie, however, totally resents this,
and whenever Jake is on the one old, comfortable chair that we
allow the boys on or on his own bed at this time of the year
(Charlie has a bed too, it's just in a cooler spot), Charlie
goes over and chastises Jake (oow woooOOOOOOOO rooo wooo) until
he gets up.  Now I generally don't believe in imposing
hieararchy on my dogs, but what should I do in these situations?
I've been telling Jake to stay and Charlie to stop, but
eventually Jake gets up.  I guess I'm mostly concerned because
of Jake's health issues.

Any net wisdom on this, especially from those of you with
multiple dogs that have addressed this topic before?

Thanks in advance!!  ....  and Merry Christmas!


=====================================================================
Mary Blumenstock              mblumens@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Mom to the Menagerie:
 Jake, a 90 lb puppy (or so he thinks, even if he is 4!)
 The Furry Bear  (aka Charlie) (Relax, he's a dog!)
 Merlin, Gandalf, & PAWS  (The Fat Cats)
 Cuervo (a Macaw), and 
 Matt, Wheelie, NoName, The Heckels, and Rock & Roll (The Discus)
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: westies
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:26:43 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

westies
See 11801!

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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: An Airedale Needs a Home
Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:37:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Seasons greetings to all the r.p.d netters around the world!

With the happiness of this season comes a bit of sadness.
An Airedale Terrier needs a home and I invite any interested people
to get in touch with me.

The particulars are:

Rusty is a 4.5 going on 5 year old unneutered male Airedale Terrier who has
been a family pet.  He is handsome and good natured with a store of
untapped intelligence.  His vice is that he is a runner -- when presented
with an opportunity to make a break for it he does -- so vigilance will be
a necessity for any prospective owner.  His foster home is working on this
problem and Rusty is making progress.

Before placement, Rusty will be neutered and brought up to date on all
shots, etc.  He is living with a dozen or so other Airedales now and thinks
that the other dogs are just a little goofy so no problems are expected in
a home with other dogs.  He has experience wtih children.

He would make a good obedience prospect for anyone willing to devote the
time and energy to reforming this canine escape artist.  <grin>

If you are interested, please email me at:

ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
brookhge@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

When emailing me, please indicate the best way for me to contact you.  I
will make phone calls if you permit me to call collect.

Think about giving Rusty a home if you are an Airedale person, please!


Gail Brookhart
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 14:23:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Help! Boredom sores caused by licking
Comment-To: MYERS_ETHELLA_ANN@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Compulsive licking is said to be similar to obsessive/compulsive
disorder in humans.
  The basis for the disorder is an instinctive need to groom.  This is
why in humans this condition so often includes excessive hand washing
or hair tugging.
  All animals have instinctive needs to groom.  Even insects such as
flies groom themselves.  These grooming urges are controled by brain
chemicals called neuro-transmitters.
  Helpful drugs for humans with OCD were discovered when experiments
with the new anti-depressant drugs were taking place.  These new drugs
stimulate the brain to be more receptive to neuro-transmitters. 
Antidepressant drugs could be helpful for your dog.
  A similar treatment that you could try is to feed your dog deep
ocean fish, such as cod or sea bass.  The fish oils in these fish
stimulate the production of such brain chemicals as serotonin which is
a neuro-transmitter.  There are several other neuro-transmitters, but
you'd have to look up the exact names.
  If you try one of these treatments, let us know how thing turn out.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Great Story-Eldon saves the day/lady!!!
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 10:51:22 EST

I just had to post this story!
My best friend Pete, had a DOG named Eldon (after Eldon on Murphy Brown)
Eldon is a pure breed Dog (as Pete will proudly tell when folks ask "what breed
is that?" (he looks like a Rhodesian Ridgeback (yellow, skinny)) but his
spotted tongue says chow/shar-pei somewhere....ANYWAY....Eldon is a sweety...


Petes mother was showering when she slipped and dropped a glass bottle (some
fancy kind of conditioner). They have one of those full tile showers with sliding
doors, so the glass SHATTERED, she then bent to pick it up, slipped and FELL
on TOP of the glass, and in the process severly twisted her ankle (she thought
she might have broken it). so, she lay there bleeding profusely (with the water
running she had no idea how much blood, but the shower was covered) and unable
to get up- she yelled and yelled for help- But her husband (Petes dad) was
down stairs at the OTHER end of the house with the t.v. AND washer going (no
way in **** he could hear her)- but Eldon's habit it to lay in FRONT of the bath
room door when someone is in there...so his mom CALLED Eldon and told him HELP!
Eldon ran down stairs and began YELPING at the Father (he barks but rarely Yelps)
and then grabbed his wrist and began TUGGING on it....his father realized some-
thing was up, so Eldon began running back and forth quickly up the stairs and
back- the father followed, not sure WHAT was going on- finally Eldon got him
to go upstairs- when he did he heard his wife yelling......
Eldon saved the day! (his father could/would have fallen asleep watching tv..)
the mother is fine, her finger was gashed pretty bad and her ankle is badly
sprained, but Eldon is even MORE loved now..(he is great with the grandkids-
very gentle (they put hats on him- its a hoot)
also when Eldon gets excited to see someone, he goes "ooooh-ooooh-ooooh' and
wiggles like a snake- its great.....

oh, if you want to send Eldon (or Pete) a Good Dog card
the adress is
Eldon
c/o Pete Wentzell
1932 Peeler Rd NE
Atlanta GA 30338

woof!

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From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: training problem <sigh>
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  1 Jan 93 14:31:57 GMT

On the subject of teaching "come"...

I like the suggestion by the Monks of New Skete:  put a weight at the end
of a (long) clothesline, form a circle of family members/friends/...,  have
person holding end of line give "come" command, when dog arrives (on own or
with help of line), praise and throw line to next person, loop.

Haven't tried it yet (I'm usually on my own with her.), but it sounds good.

--kyler
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Great Story-Eldon saves the day/lady!!!
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:02:42 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkf.col.hp.com

Pippin "stands guard" outside the bathroom door whenever I'm in there...
Now I know why!

(Good dog, Eldon!!)

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:56:42 GMT
Reply-To: mlhb@drutx!att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, DCTT, Denver, Co.

Seeing as this is the season, Did anybody get some neat dog gifts for 
yourself or your pals?

My team got chew hooves and new water buckets from my parents and sisters ;-)
(They can't believe they did that!!! ;-) ;-) ;-)

I got a dog calendar and a home veterinary guide.  (Good book!!!)

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dry skin problem, was : Eagle Dog Food
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:11:33 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Shalini Mayor (mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov) wrote:

: All this talk about the best food for dogs reminded me of a problem that has recently surfaced
: with my 2yr old Golden. She was on Science Diet maintenance but was gaining too much weight
: even though she was getting regular exercise and less than the prescribed amount of food.
: I then changed her food to Science diet light and she did lose a couple of pounds! BUT, after 
: feeding her this for about 2 months I now find she has big (and I mean big!) flakes of skin
: coming off her coat.(our house looks like we had a snow storm inside!!)

: It seems to be some kind of a dry skin problem even though I have been
: giving her an extra strength Dermcaps (for dry skin) AND putting some vegetable oil in her food
: everyday.
: Has anyone seen this problem before and knows any solutions to this?
: I talked to her vet and he seemed to be of the opinion that dry skin was a common ailment of
: the breed. He suggested going back to more fatty food which I am not sure I want to do.

It seems to be a common problem on "light" dog foods.  You might try
looking at the fat content of various foods and working your way up to a
happy medium.  Remember that it will take a while for any skin/coat
changes to show.  

Karen

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From: bhooper@iat.holonet.net (Robert Hooper)
Subject: Re: Kong???
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:34:55 GMT

>Gaia's record for the destruction of the original, black kong is 1.5 days.
By destruction, I mean into 3 sections.  More normal is for the top to
be removed in 1-2 days and for the rest to follow in 1-2 weeks.  Our longest
lasted in 2/3 form for about 3 months--that was the first.  I just take
away parts as they are removed.  Nyla bones only last for a matter of hours.<

Er... what kind of dog is Gaia?? I have three Labs and a Golden, and none
of them has made a dent in months of chewing.

Bob Hooper
bhooper@holonet.net

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