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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Things to do whilst you're injured
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:33:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Perhaps this would be a good winter to learn how to cross country ski. Skating
(on skis) is a terrific workout with low impact.

scott
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: 200 meter track?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:49:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <Bz8nK8.6tv@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:
> 
> The indoor running facility at my university just reopened.  I plan to
> do some running in there this winter, when the weather does not permit
> running outside, and when I want to do some interval training.
> 
> I figured one advantage of running on an indoor track would be that
> it'd be easy to tell how far I've run.  It hasn't worked out that way
> so far.  I've been told that it's a 200 meter track, i.e. that the
> inside lane (lane 1) is exactly 200 meters around.  The problem is
> that joggers are supposed to use lanes 5 and 6.
> 
> Are 200 meter tracks standard, so that the same lanes on different 200
> meter tracks are the same distance?  If so, does anyone know what the
> distance is for lane 6 of a 200 meter track?
> 
> I've tried counting my paces around the lanes to get an idea how
> different they are, but I keep getting varying counts (the fluctuation
> has been such that the range of distances works out to be 220-230
> meters, which leads to fairly significant differences in laps/mile
> calculations), so I thought I'd check if this was somewhat common
> knowledge.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> -- 
> Milt Epstein
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Illinois
> epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: borne@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck. NOT!
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:50:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

With respect to all of these postings about "Fun with a Truck"...

I am sorry, but I have no time to read every one of these postings, but
has someone made this point?? ... Nobody has the right of way at any time,
driving or not!  This question always blows 'em away on the Maryland
Driver's Licence Exam:  
QUESTION: Two cars approach an intersection at the same time (car A approaching
          from car B's right, with car B approaching from car A's left).  
          Who has the right of way?
ANSWER:   NEITHER!  Car B should "yield" the right of way, but neither car
          "has" the right of way!  If an accident occurs, Car A's driver could
          be held just as liable!

Anyway, one should always exercise caution, especially as a pedestrian, when
facing several hundred pounds of steel traveling with a good bit more momentum
and kinetic energy than the typical human body.  

One other note:  when I run the roads, I watch driver's eyes (when I can) and 
use that as a gauge.  If they don't see you, then you better move over.  If 
they do see you and they have that Dracula look in their eyes, then you better
really watch out.  Otherwise, take it easy, be a good citizen, and don't do
anything that will give runners a bad name ... especially if your city sponsors
a lot of road races (as does mine: Baltimore) ... we do not want to get the 
mayor's office and city police against us (which seems to be the case in
Baltimore, for other reasons however).

Be careful out there.  

P.S.  I really enjoy reading this newsgroup, especially when people write up
personal narratives of their marathon (or other) experiences.  Some of these
are good enough to appear in Runners World, which I also enjoy reading.

My $0.02 worth!  Thanks for listening (... er, reading).

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From: 01f@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc Walker )
Subject: Re: Saucony anyone ???
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:16:12 GMT

Alright already....enough with this unknown, mispronounced shoe!!!
I pronounce it Nike....nikee ;)
Scott

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From: damm@diku.dk (Kristian Damm Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: do I have a snowball's chance in hell?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:30:25 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick) writes:

>Hi. I'm a healthy (well, at least physically) 27 year old. I'm thinking
>running the Houston Tenneco Marathon on January 24th. Do I have a shot
>at pulling this off? Will this be the worst and most humiliating personal
>defeat of my life? What do you think? 

[training calendar deleted]

Sure you have. 6 weeks before I ran me first marathon (in may 91) my
longest runhad been around 10 miles, never more than 15-20 miles a
week and I was unable to train reasonably due to knee-problems.
Previous training period: 5 month. Compared to that you are in tip-top
shape.

Sure it was hard, but isn't it always? And I had sore knees for a
month afterwards, couldn't run for two month; that part I can't
recommend.

-- 
Kristian Damm Jensen (damm@diku.dk)
"Life is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it"
- Tom Lehrer
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Subject: 220 speed for half-mile
Reply-To: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:03:13 GMT

>just a random correlation, but when I ran with the guys at Oregon, the guys
>who could run sub-1:50 had no problem running 22.5 200's and 53-second 400's
>as their repeat times in workouts.  

Wait.  As captain of my high school track team, my best 200 was a 22.5, while 
my best 400 was a 50 flat.  

--- Are we comparing repeat 22.5's in workouts (usually done with a
    RUNNING start) to a 22.5 run out of blocks in competition ? 
    Is this an apples-apples or apples-oranges comparison ? 
    Someone capable of several 22.5 repeats, in the right situation and
    in the right conditions could probably go sub 22 seconds out
    of blocks (if he or she pointed for it).

Brian



Newsgroups: rec.running
From: vannevar@panix.com (Vannevar Yu)
Subject: New Runner? Questions; FAQ?
Summary: need info from running meisters
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:41:58 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC
Keywords: New Runner, Questions, FAQ

Hi!  I am seriously thinking about 'running' as a work-out routine, with
the NYC Marathon in '93 as my goal.  I would appreciate any pointers to a
FAQ file (if there is any).

Hit 'n' now to avoid my zzzzzzz questions .....

I've started reading Richard Benyo's book, "Making The Marathon Your Event"
(October 1992, Random House) and have a fair idea on how much commitment it
would take to get to a marathon-level-of-fitness.  I was wondering if there
are others who did this hard/easy/easy routine, and if there are any caveats
or tips that can be shared with the newsgroup.

Why a marathon?  Because it seems to demand a work-out schedule/intensity
which will hopefully put me in a better shape for my current sport, 
skydiving.  I also find it helpful to have developmental 'goals' such as
completing a marathon or learning a new movement in the air.  Currently, I'm
about 10 pounds over ideal (distributed, as opposed to localized), and have
a haphazard workout schedule/program composed of stair climbing, rowing, and
light-and-slow Nautilus.  Hopefully, this *will* change by next week!

Additional questions:

1.  Do any marathoners have a 3-times-a-week program for running (as opposed
    to Benyo's 5-times-a-week schedule?

2.  Any asthmatics out there who can offer me 'tips' on avoiding and/or
    recognizing such problems while running?

3.  Anyone in netland have {+/-} comments about (a) Guarana; (b) Yohimbe
    bark extract as energy boosters/supplements to running?

4.  Is there a difference between using the gym's treadmill and running on
    concrete?  Which would you recommend?  (I live in NYC, and do not wish
    to train on the streets due to the traffic lights, crime, pollution,
    and killer taxi cab drivers.)  Is treadmill running easier or harder
    than 'actual' running?

5.  Should I just give up my initial goal of doing the NYC marathon in
    six hours, and take up fly-fishing on the Husdon river instead :) ?

Thanks in advance!  Hopefully, your answers will be posted to rec.running
so 'lurkers' can benefit from your advice, too!

Weird comment:  When you're running on a treadmill in one of those gyms and
a person starts out on the treadmill next to you, does it irritate you (as much
as me) if that person just came from a smoking break, and decided to share
his/her odor while doing a lo-ong and slo-ow treadmill walk?  What would you
do, if this happens to you?

Live long and prosper,

Vannevar

P.S.  Happy Holidays to All!

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: half-mile
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:03:21 GMT

In article <Bz4Ayw.7EI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley) writes:
>Yes, when you're trying to maximize your speed over the (for you) short
>distance of 800m, it will make sense to back off the distance.  If I
>remember the original post correctly, the goal was 1:58.  A big
>improvement, but the writer is young.  (Therefore, he has big dreams
>AND it is not out of the question to improve that much.)  My
>slow-twitch college roommate could only muster 59-second 400s, but he
>could run two of them back-to-back.  Similarly, my best 400 was exactly
>twice my best 200.  Maybe we each have our own personal terminal 
>velocity.  In general, the remarks I've seen about 24-second 200s and
>50-second 400s for around a 1:50 800 seem about right.  Adjust up
>for the 1:58.
>
>Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
>		| seeley / cca / cerl

On a performance scale, a sub-24 200 is nowhere near a 1:50 800, nor is it
really close to a sub-50 400.  24-flat is a purely mediocre (decent high-school
JV time) for a 200, but sub-50 in a 400 will (probably) get you to district
finals, and a 1:50 800 will (surely) get you to state finals...  Maybe it's
just a random correlation, but when I ran with the guys at Oregon, the guys
who could run sub-1:50 had no problem running 22.5 200's and 53-second 400's
as their repeat times in workouts.  

Bill

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jch@scuttle.whoi.edu (Jon Howland)
Subject: Re: half-mile
Reply-To: jch@scuttle.whoi.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:55:48 GMT

In article 7EI@news.cso.uiuc.edu, seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley) writes:
>Yes, when you're trying to maximize your speed over the (for you) short
>distance of 800m, it will make sense to back off the distance.  If I
>remember the original post correctly, the goal was 1:58.  A big
>improvement, but the writer is young.  (Therefore, he has big dreams
>AND it is not out of the question to improve that much.)  My
>slow-twitch college roommate could only muster 59-second 400s, but he
>could run two of them back-to-back.  Similarly, my best 400 was exactly
>twice my best 200.  Maybe we each have our own personal terminal 
>velocity.  In general, the remarks I've seen about 24-second 200s and
>50-second 400s for around a 1:50 800 seem about right.  Adjust up
>for the 1:58.
>
>Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
>		| seeley / cca / cerl


You're kidding, right?  Terminal velocity which you can carry on for twice the distance?  Anybody who can do this simply doesn't know how to run fast.  It's a skill like any other.  If you can run at your PR 400 pace for 800, you need to learn how to run faster.


---
              Jonathan Howland, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution  (WHOI DSL)
              Woods Hole, MA 02543 "jch@jargon.whoi.edu" (508)457-2000x2653


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: Saucony anyone ???
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:40:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.051612.17969@nctams1.uucp> 01f@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc Walker ) writes:
>Alright already....enough with this unknown, mispronounced shoe!!!
>I pronounce it Nike....nikee ;)

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From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: shock absorption technology
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:02:50 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec15.224051.26164@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall) writes:
> 
> Since my earlier post about Saucony vs. Asics drew no response, I'll
> phrase the question a little more generally.  Is anyone aware of any
> studies that have been done comparing the various shock absorption
> technologies (GRID vs. Gel vs. ARC vs. Air) to determine their relative
> effectiveness, possibly from an engineering standpoint?  How much is
> hype and how much is based in fact?
> 
> Does anyone have personal experience switching to one of these types
> of shoes and noticing a significant improvement in shock absorption,
> particularly with longer (>20-mile) runs?
> 
> ====
> Rick

I was wondering if someone could post the list of shoes which appeared in a
recent issue of Runners World where they reviewed the new seasons shoes. I
recall that there was a table which grouped most of the readily available shoes
into catagories of runnign styles and problems etc. I would appreciate a copy 
of that table as I can't find any copies of that issue in the bookshops anymore.

Thanx in advance...

Rob.
From: reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: why'd I die @ 14 mi?
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:42:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gm1hmINNnsq
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec15.123310.16813@hou.amoco.com> ztac18@hou.amoco.com writes:
>Help me figure this one out, you smart people:
>
  If you've run the distance before, especially in competition, it
  sounds like you may have just had a bad day.  Or some bad food
  before the run.

  I ran a marathon once, and at about 18 I started to get really
  sick, like I had the flu.  I chalked it up to the distance and kept
  on going.  I spent the next week in bed with cramps, chills, the
  barfs and all the rest.  I DID have the flu.

  Maybe the same thing happened to you??
  -- my two cents worth.

  Jay
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.educ
From: lawrence@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (peter r lawrence    )
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Saucony anyone ???
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:58:59 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1992Dec13.051612.17969@nctams1.uucp> 01f@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc Walker ) writes:
>Alright already....enough with this unknown, mispronounced shoe!!!
>I pronounce it Nike....nikee ;)
>Scott
>
Who cares about the Greek gods, we want to RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
not just look like Michael Jordan!!!
pete


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jay@anasazi.com (Jay Engel)
Subject: Re: Knee cartilage and running
Reply-To: jay@misty.UUCP (Jay Engel)
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.151033.20482@sparky.imd.sterling.com> jbv@IMD.Sterling.COM (James B Vacanti) writes:
>Does anyone out there have experience with running after having cartilage
>removed from one's knee?  I tore some cartilage (medial meniscus) this 
>summer and had it removed in Oct. The Dr. said he only removed as little
>as possible to relieve the pain, and leave as much as possible for the
>cushening that the cartilage was supposed to provide. Even so, he suggested
>that I not run (so did the PTt because it could still cause arthritis .
>They told me that before arthroscopy that they used to remove ALL of the
>cartilage and that you would definately get arthritis. 
>I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has been thru this.

Back in 1982 during the peak of my high school career as a pole vaulter,
I experienced the same torn cartilage.  A piece of cartilage (about the
size of a dime) had completely torn and was floating in my knee.  It 
lodged between two bones and prevented the knee from straightening (not 
a pleasant experiance).  Immediately following the surgury I was unable
to stand on it; although, many attempts were made (no pain - just no 
strength).  After a few days of struggling, I was able to walk a little
and then a little more.  In one weeks time I was back vaulting at 100%.
You pretty much had to be to even get off the ground.

At that time I was told if the knee ever went out again that I would be
fitted with a plastic replacement.  The knee never failed once through
a successful collegiate career.  Now I run marathons... what a switch!

Arthritis?  No signs of that at all - ask me when I'm 90.

Jay
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Xref: sparky rec.running:3664 comp.society.privacy:826
From: "Dennis G. Rears " <drears@pica.army.mil>
Newsgroups: rec.running,comp.society.privacy,mlist.telecom-priv
Subject: Los Angeles Marathon and SSN
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:32:54 GMT


  After running my 5th New York City marathon, I decided it was time to
run a different one.  I decided on the Los Angeles marathon on March 7th.
I started filling out the application and was shocked to see that they
wanted social security numbers.  Furthermore it states that all
information must be provided or the apllication would not be accepted.
  Why in the world do they want or need SSN?  I can understand birthdate,
occupation, and TAC number but SSN?  While they do offer prize money;
there is no way I can qualify as 3:30 marathoner.
  BTW, I did call the LA marathon office and the guy who answered the
phone had no idea why they wanted it.  He did say they would still
process my application without it.

dennis

[Moderator's Note:    As moderator of the Computer Privacy Digest I
screwed up in posting this message to usenet.  I posted it
with the newsgroup comp.society.privacy misspelled.  As such I am
reposting this. BTW, this is my first attempt at allowing crossposting 
in comp.society.privacy. _dennis]


Xref: sparky rec.running:3614 rec.sport.triathlon:1523
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Did anybody do the Harbor Bay Biathlon 12/12
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:51:52 GMT
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I was training for this race but there was a schedule change at work
so I couldn't make.  I just wanted to know if anybody entered the
event, what was it like etc. etc...
The race was held in Alameda. 2.5 mi run  11 mi bike  2.5 run

Talk to me
Dave
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ken@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Kenneth R. Pollard)
Subject: Cold Weather Gear
Followup-To: Cold Weather Running
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:32:08 GMT

Supplex and polypro garments, I feel, are the most effective means of
combatting the cold.  Supplex "kills" the wind and allows for some
wicking.  Polypro keeps you warm and does a great job of "wicking".
I run in anything (rain, snow or sun) and when it's really cold, I
mean really cold -10 and below, I wear a pair of Helley Hansen LIFA
5000 tights.  I have found nothing comparable.  These tights combined
with cheap cotton or nylon tights do the trick for the lower half.  A
supplex pullover as a shell over a polypro t-shirt and nylon tank covers
the rest.  A very important consideration, be sure to cover all exposed
skin when encountering these extreme temperatures.  I find cold weather
running very enjoyable and challenging, just be cautious.
From: grudin@ics.uci.edu (Jonathan Grudin)
Subject: hashing in Amsterdam
Newsgroups: rec.running
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:32:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running

I have a friend who would like to connect to a hash
house harriers group in Amsterdam.  Could anyone:
1) Direct me to such a group;
2) Direct me to an on-line HHH address book;
3) Direct me to a more appropriate newsgroup.

Thanks -- Jonathan Grudin
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: spit@austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Originator: spit@hookipa.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:17:21 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin


In article <1992Dec16.064011.7260@leland.Stanford.EDU>, lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
> In article <1gm1svINNo39@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
> >In article <47313@ogicse.ogi.edu> milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl) writes:
> >>In article <BzBEsJ.1G2q@austin.ibm.com> spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
> >>>
> > 
> > I agree with Milt says.  I eat like a pig on long runs.  My
> > favorites are colas WITH, fruit bars, and (believe it or not)
> > apples.  If I can get some OJ on teh run, I'll do a gallon!
When I'm windsurfing, I usually drink between 1 and 2 six-packs of Coke
in a day and eat nothing -- result, no hunger, no cramps.  Guess I'll
try the same with the long runs.  Guess I could try something healthier,
but then, Cokes are fat/cholesterol free, no?  :^)

> > Some ultra guys do M&Ms (W&W??), but I don't like the fatty taste
> > and I'm not much of a chololate freak.
I'm not too hot on M&Ms when I'm sitting on my couch!

> > Try taking some ERG with you on runs and see how you do.  Also, I'd
> > never do long (or even short) runs in the a.m. without eating at
> > least a piece of bread or a pancake.  Remember, you haven't eaten
> > since dinner time last night, and your energy level should be pretty
> > low.
> 
> I don't believe much in eating before you run in the morning.  In my experience
> my body has stored more than enough calories for me to run as far as 13-18
> miles first thing in the morning without eating a thing.  I've probably 
> bonked no more than twice in 100 runs of over 10 miles.  Besides, eating
> one pancake provides you with maybe 150 calories, which are gone after 1 1/2 
> miles.
I usually hit the "hunger wall" after 16-20 miles.  I've NEVER had a problem on
shorter distances.  I'm running 24 this Saturday and let y'all know how it went.
 
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