HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: UZEB News!
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:55:12 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>In 1992, there have been 3-4 offshoot releases:
[....]
>Lorraine Desmarais (Self titled)
>(A new album by this quebec pianist featuring Cusson and Brochu. Very
>nice, tasteful, laid back stuff. Features a couple of burners too!)

This is actually called "Vision" I think.  I have an extra copy, if anyone would
like to buy it from me.
--
                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Charlie Haden's promo shots
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:17:06 GMT

hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
>
>I think Charlie Haden just takes a lot of pictures with his head
>bowed, and often his hands clasped in front of him.  Always struck me
>as a (slightly stagey) expression of humility....

Actually, when he performs he usually has his head down. From what
I could see of his face, its always given me the impression that he
was concentrating on listening to the other musicians.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Emily Remler, and others
From: saul+@pitt.edu (Alan B Saul)
Date: 10 Jan 93 06:14:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <germuska.726607100@antioch.acns.nwu.edu> j-germuska@nwu.edu (Joe Germuska) writes:
>larry@st-andy.uucp (Larry Martell) writes:
>
>>How did Emily Remler die? I thought she died of cancer, but someone told
>>me she died of a heroin OD.
>
>"I may _look_ like a nice Jewish girl from New Jersey," Emily once told 
>_People_, "but inside I'm a 50-year-old, heavyset black man with a big 
>thumb, like Wes Montgomery."  Emily never made it to 50 -- she overdosed in 
>Sydney two years ago, at 32 -- but was a beloved bebopper and composer who
>left a string of fine recordings on Concord.
>
>--- joe germuska | j-germuska@nwu.edu | Network Response Center ---
>--- ACNS-Distributed Systems Services, Northwestern University  ---

Well, that's a bit of surprise (I know little about Emily Remler, but
hear mention of her often because of her time spent in Pittsburgh).

However, I still have my doubts about the attribution of heroin in the
deaths of Booker Little, Serge Chaloff, and Fats Navarro. 
I have never heard anything about Booker using, and it seems contrary
to everything I have heard about his life, which admittedly is not enough.
Booker died of uremia according to everything I know, and he suffered
from it for some time prior to 1961.
Serge Chaloff died of spinal cancer, from which he suffered for his
final two years. He was reportedly clean at the time.
Fats Navarro died of pneumonia if I remember correctly.
This of course doesn't absolve heroin as contributing to their deaths
by any means, but I'm curious to hear from more informed sources about
what role it actually played.

Thanks,
Alan Saul


Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rousseaf@var.IRO.UMontreal.CA (Francois Rousseau)
Subject: Re: Date of Johnny Winter "Live"?
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Laboratoire Incognito
	<1993Jan4.154623.1565@seachg.uucp>
	<1993Jan5.162031.18560@b8.b8.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:33:11 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:20:31 GMT

**          There are two live albums from '76, Johnny's Captured Live,
**  and Johnny & Edgar "Together". Both albums were recorded from three
**  shows, Oakland-San Bernardino-San Diego, where both bands played seper-
**  sets then combined. I had the great pleasure of seeing two of these
**  shows. 
**          I just recently got a CD entitled "Busted in Austin", the 
**  credits state that this is a '69 recording live in Houston and lists
**  Edgar as playing horns and vocals. The music is great, a little bassy
**  but I really don't hear any playing or singing by Edgar at all. It 
**  does however have a second guitar player that is unmentioned. Anyone 
**  else heard this one?

First of all you're a lucky man to have actually seen those
shows...great performance on "Captured Live". Hey everybody get this
album. 

For the Busted In Houston. It has been recorded around 1980 with Pat
Rush as second guitar (he plays on the White, Hot And Blue album).
Edgar is not on the album. The bassman is one of Johnny's first bass
player. The quality of this CD is great. The cover photo of this CD
features Johnny around 1976. Pat Rush is a side man for a lot of
bluesmen, he's a very good blues guitar player. He actually plays the
slide on "Walking By Myself" on both records. It's a good record to
buy if you want to have a good idea of Johnny Winter talent.

Bye...

					Francois Rousseau, Montreal
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Wayne Wylupski)
Subject: Re: Monk "book"
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:13:29 GMT

Sometime during the past year I have purchased a legitimate book of Monk 
tunes.  I'll bring it in tomorrow and post the name, author and publisher.
What I remember is that it was incomplete, but included with the music was
a description of the origins of the tune and other tidbits.  In the intro
the author said he intended on adding ohter tunes to future revisions.

wayne
-- 
Wayne Wylupski    {...!}uunet!inmet!wayne    wayne@inmet.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Subject: Re: Harmolodics ???
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:58:45 GMT

Marc Sabatella gives a very good (IMO, and remember that I am Not a
Musician :-)) description of harmolodics. I only want to add that
harmolodic performances work best when centered around one voice.
I mean one voice to which the others react/respond to/comment on
etc. One of the problems with SONG X, and probably the reason why
so few people agree with me that it's a masterpiece (:-)) is that
there are two competing principal voices. When these voices are
pursuing the same or parallel paths ("Kathelin Gray"), the results
are enchanting. When the voices are truly equal (Side 1), the
results are just *too* divergent for most ears to cope with.

To me the *best* example of harmolodics is Ronald Shannon Jackson's
album NASTY (Moers Music) and specifically the tune "Black Widow"
(or is it "Sweet Natalie"? The long tune on Side 1.) The two bass
players each walk their own (highly funky) path, unrelated to each
other, but each rooted to a drum pattern. Jackson keeps these parallel
patterns, or variations thereof, going throughout the performance,
as the soloists layer on top (no solo ends, new soloitts enter).
One can focus on either of the two bass-drum pairs and hear a completely
cohesive rhythm section, except that solo statements that are connected
to the other pair don't make sense!

It's a fascinating performance, and utterly impossible if Shannon
Jackson is not the uncontested leader. Just as IMO Prime Time makes no
sense if Ornette is just another player.

Harmolodics performances contains the paradox that they grant maximal
freedom to all players, yet require a single, well-identifird leader to work.

Comments?
-- 
Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

	" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
	  Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Recent Jazz
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:58:27 GMT
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA

In article 14262@afit.af.mil, maysee@ss1.af.mil (Eric E. Mays) writes:
>|In article <1993Jan9.090943.2863@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
>||> Hi,
>||> 
>||> 	I've been listening to some "basic" jazz for a couple years now,
>||> Coltrane, Bird, Diz, Miles, Sonny Rollins, Monk, etc.  I wondered what
>||> more "recent" jazz recordings I might be interested in.
>||> 
>||> 	Actually I kind of liked Miles' incursions into funky rhythmic
>||> genres.  Dizzy's work with Afro/Latin music seems interesting too.  But I
>||> guess I'm really looking for some of the more "straight-ahead" work.
>||> Sorry I'm not as tremendously educated in this genre as I'd like to be.
>||> 
>||> 	BTW I was also saddened to hear of Dizzy's passing.
>||> 
>||> Rob
>||> --
>||>    Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
>||>                           Systems Engineer
>||> 
>|
>|   Roy Hargrove and Wynton Marsalis are two jazz artists I would 
>|recommend.  I also like Marcus Roberts, Tony Williams, and
>|the Harper Brothers.
>|
>|Eric


Agreed, also Courtney Pine, Branford Marsalis, Frank Morgan, and
Jackie McLean.  They are all sax players, sorry, but I am in my
sax period now.

---
********************************************************************
*Peter Wung			Email:wung@ee.gatech.edu	   * 
*Electric Power Laboratory	Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
*School of Electrical Engineering	    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
*Georgia Institute of Technology			    	   *
*Atlanta, Georgia						   *
*   	"Pass, Set, CRUSH!"...					   * 
*  	Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad for a short, fat guy. 	   *
*								   *
********************************************************************
From: cs163wel@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Curlew, Dr.Nerve, Bird, Jarrett
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:17:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Info requested on Curlew and Dr. Nerve.  Also, what recordings by
Charlie Parker and Keith Jarrett would be considered essential?

PaolO
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: The Tonight Show
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:40:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.020651.21774@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <C0I7Bv.E4y@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>>What kills me is how they say, "ok Branford, play a 15 second tribute
>>to Diz", which he did on Manteca, and then they cut him off so Leno can
>>do the "Elvis Presley" / "Amish Presley" skit, which had to be the
>>lamest skit that has ever gone on television...
>>
>>Jeff
>
>My thoughts _exactly_, Jeff.  My wife and I sat there in amazement wondering 
>why they cut off the Manteca tribute to Diz to do that lame skit.  Sad...
>
>
>-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)


IMHO, the most important thing to note here is not how 
lame the skit was, but the idea of running mentioning
**Elvis Presley** in the same show that Dizzy was
"memorialized".

Elvis Presley was a thief and, as Public Enemy put it, "a flat out racist!"


WJM




-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------
William J. McIver, Jr.          mciver@cs.colorado.edu
Department of Computer Science, University of Colorado @ Boulder	
------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: looking for a cd
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:57:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hptrane.fc.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Robert J. Havey (havey+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: 
: "long is your living" by judy nymac (sp?).

It's spelled "Niemac" or perhaps "Neimac", if that helps.  I've seen her name
in the Cadence catalog, the address of which is posted here periodically.
Also, the second word of the title is probably "as"...

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
Amendment 2 Is Legalized Discrimination - Shame On You, Colorado
--
"Neither the State of Colorado ... nor any of its municipalities ... shall ...
 enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
 orientation ... shall ... be the basis of ... any ... claim of discrimination"
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:12:29 GMT

In article <1ii99eINNa0j@pith.uoregon.edu>, tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny) writes:
>
>As regards essential recordings, I'm awfully fond of the Massey Hall concert
>(Mingus, Diz, Max Roach, Bud Powell, and Bird [credited as Charlie Chan]);
>half the material is Dizzy's, and while the recording is a little spotty,
>it's a hell of a collective performance.
>
>Is this out on CD, though?  I have an old tape which is starting to show its
>age.

Yep.

The Quintet:  JAZZ AT MASSEY HALL (OJCCD-044-2)

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mrhine@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Rhine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: re: r. malone's cd
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:21:44 GMT
Organization: my organization here

hello folks...

someone recently posted a review of russell malone's new album and included
the list of tunes...

would someone mail me that list please...

thanks...


-- 
mrhine@thor.gatech.edu      ppl...404-894-4660      fax...404-894-9548
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: Ornette bio?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:23:51 GMT

wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:
> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
> >                         "Mancini is a god."
> 
> Not to put down the composer of the Peter Gunn music (which got some folks
> interested in jazz 30 odd years ago, although I don't know of anything he
> did later that was any closer to jazz than an occasional Plas Johnson sax
> solo), but this is a surprising quote from someone asking for Ornette's
> biography.

Well, I can't tell whether Clay was serious or sarcastic with that quote,
but hey, I kinda like Mancini. Of course he had practically nothing to do
with jazz, and he wrote mostly sap, but I think a lot of it was *good* sap.
:) "Pink Panther", Days of Wine and Roses" and especially "Moon River" -
aah, laugh if ya want, but I enjoy those tunes! (Check out Frisell's
version of "Days" on IS THAT YOU? <<Oh! By the way - does anybody know what
happened to Frisell's standards album that Gene Santoro talked about in
PULSE! a year or two ago??>> ) Anyway, I think Mancini made BREAKFAST AT
TIFFANY's that much more watchable. :)

> hery@att.COM
-- 
| Vincent Kargatis		     |	Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy |
| vek@spacsun.rice.edu		     |	Rice University, Houston, TX       |
| "[Christ's] birthday mighta been the time to be on the beach at Galilee, |
|   watching him turn water into beer" - Brave Combo, "Christmas In July"  |
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: drugs, ethics, health
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:47:55 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1992Dec31.215002.310@sarah.albany.edu> rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump) writes:
>In article <RSHAPIRO.92Dec31150213@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

>>factors are all attributable to the legal status of heroin.  From a
>>purely physiological point of view, cigarettes and alcohol are much
>>more destructive than any of the popular illegal drugs. I think it's

>I'm certainly not an expert on the physiological effects of legal or
>illegal drugs, but is it really possible to make such a comparison?  How
>do you compare dosages of different substances, for example?  The pattern
>of use will also likely have a significant impact.  For example, I think
>it would be rather difficult to overdose on tobacco, but much easier
>on heroin -- so are we talking about long-term or short-term dangers?
>Admittedly I'm out of my depth here, but am somewhat skeptical.

You compare different drugs by looking at the user populations for the
different drugs and then trying to control for differences due to
extraneous factors.  

It is difficult to OD and die when smoking either tobacco or heroin.  It is 
easier to OD and die when injecting heroin.  The danger is in the practice of 
injecting.  Tobacco would be less safe if injected (or swallowed, which has
been the cause of accidental deaths among young children and purposeful
deaths among prisoners).

Follow-ups to alt.drugs, since this has zip to do with music.

>-- 
>Roger Stump  (rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu)

    --Matt
From: lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Johnny Hartman
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:42:19 PST
Organization: BBS


While it's is true that the Coltrane/Hartman date will never be surpassed,
Hartman's date with Hank Jones, Illinois Jacquet, Kenny Burell, Jim Hall, 'aint
bad!  It's called "I just dropped by to say hello".  Check it out.
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: DIWs
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:01:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0rJzD.MDo.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Apparently, DIWs from Japan are again available in the US.  My local record
store recently received a large number of these, including new disks by
Peter Brotzman (Dare Devil), Shannon Jackson (Raven Roc), etc.  The manager
speculates that DIWs that are not being released in the US by Sony are being
made available directly (albeit, with a few months delay).
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman)
Subject: Wayne Horvitz' PIG PEN
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:07:02 GMT

Pig Pen (I'm picturing the cartoon character) is coming to the Cruel Elephant
cabaret here in Vancouver, Sat, Jan 16.

Horvitz, ex of Joyn Zorn's Naked City ensemble will lead the group.

Described, in the ad, as a cross between Nirvana/Soundgarden and Ornette
Coleman....a nonstop barrage of noise, rhythm and swing.

think I'll check it out. Anyone familiar?
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Harmolodics ???
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:30:09 GMT

millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:

>I remember reading that in an album called "Tales of Captain Black" by a
>guitarist who I don't remember (maybe someone here does), there is a complete
>description and explanation of harmolodics...hmmm was is James Blood Ulmer?

This lp is listed as being by JAMES BLOOD, but it's the same guy as James
Blood Ulmer - it's on Artist's House records from around 1979. Yes, the
insert has some info on Harmolodics - I can't recall if there's actually
much of an explanation, but there's a fantastic complex looking cluster
of notes or scales on one page that I believe is some sort of foundation
for it - it's way too complex for my abilities to read, play or understand
music. I believe this lp is long out of print. If anyone is really curious
and wants to send a large SASE to me I'll photocopy the info and chart. 

  - malcolm@wrs.com  
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Subject: Re: Carol Sloane discography
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:47:48 GMT

In article <00966403.EA2A0420@OCTAVO> mdcolby@OCTAVO writes:
>There was some interest here in Carol Sloane a few weeks back.  Just in case
>it hasn't totally died out, I'm posting this discography.
>
I saw a new one in the record store today (new to me at least) on Concord,
called something like CONCORD ON CAPE COD.  It's not under her name; she's
listed as "special guest."  The band is apparently led by Scott Hamilton
and Dave McKenna.  If anyone knows anything about this, I'd appreciate a
mini-review.  My parents live on Cape Cod and are big Dave McKenna fans,
so I thought I might pick this up for them if it's any good.
-- 
Roger Stump  (rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mciver@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: The Tonight Show
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:26:57 GMT

In article <C0K796.CKr@rice.edu> vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis) writes:
>mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.) writes:
>> IMHO, the most important thing to note here is not how 
>> lame the skit was, but the idea of running mentioning
>> **Elvis Presley** in the same show that Dizzy was
>> "memorialized".
>
>I don't find much objectionable in that at all: Elvis's presence in that
>skit (and on the stamp) had nothing to do with his musical stature and
>everything to do with his being a pop-cultural icon. The people to blame
>for that are the public, not those whose job it is to cater to the public 
>(like the Tonight Show and the Post Office).
>-- 

You missed my point entirely.

As an artist Elvis was a thief.

As an artist or a pop icon (take your pick) Elvis
was a racist.  Blame the mainstream media for
conveniently overlooking this last point.


WJM


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------
William J. McIver, Jr.          mciver@cs.colorado.edu
Department of Computer Science, University of Colorado @ Boulder	
------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: On Drugs, Bebop and The Wire
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:57:08 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: world, rec, usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo71

In article <HELLERS.92Dec30122327@cleo.cs.wisc.edu> hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
>While we're debunking the myths about drugs and jazz, I have heard
>people claim that steady heroin use increases your lung capacity.
>Coltrane was given as a case in point, the myth being that some of his
>solos simply could not be played by a person who had remained clean
>all their life.  Anybody got the medical bottom line on this?

Don't know about that aspect of H but I do remember an interview
with Band leader Robbie Robertson where he enthusiatically mentions
a Ray Charles track, "Come Rain Or Come Shine", that he plays for
the interviewer, describing the wonderful effect that heroin use
had on Charles' vocal: something about the way it affected Charles'
throat. That is a wonderful performance of a great song, but I'm
not sure I hear what Robertson was talking about. (Of course, he
wasn't enthusiatic about H in general.)


....
jimh@west.sun.com