From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:12:50 GMT
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In article <1992Apr14.185225.23291@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr14122236@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # In article <1992Apr14.054637.25386@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr13012616@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # >   # In article <1992Apr12.071917.2928@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   # >   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr12012706@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # >   # >   # >	   However, Israel
>   # >   # >   # >   is the first local non imperial "power" to allow freedom of religious
>   # >   # >   # >   expression.
>
>   # >   # >   # Now as for the rest of your claim, it is so restrictive as to be
>   # >   # >   # meaningless.  ...
>
>   # >   # >	   How petty can you get?  Fine.  I will amend my statement to be for
>   # >   # >   modern history.  Capish?
>
>   # >   # You still haven't answered the question.  Let me summaraze what I
>   # >   # think you are saying: "Israel is the first local non-imperial power in
>   # >   # modern history to allow freedom of religious expression."
>
>   # >   # My question is: What other local (to Jerusalem, I guess)
>   # >   # non-imperial
>   # >   # power in modern history are you comparing Israel to?
>
>   # >	   All of them (which means any Middle Eastern country that has
>   # >   controlled it).
>
>   # Yet again, you haven't answered the question.  Why do you avoid it so?
>
>	   You are being dishonest here.  It is obvious that even you
>   recognize that I answered, and did not avoid, your question.  You just
>   do not like my answer because it was not specific enough for you.
>
>   # Name the countries individually, please.
>
>	   How about these two?  The Ottomans and Jordan.

Finally.  Now, unfortunately the Ottoman Empire is definitely not
non-imperial, so it doesn't satisfy your criteria.  Furthermore, the
Ottomans _did_ allow relative freedom of religion in Jerusalem during
their jurisdiction, so your claim about them is basically wrong.

That leaves Jordan.  And it should be clear that as Jordan never ruled
all of Jerusalem, your claim is not strictly correct.  Aside from that
nitpick, though, your original all-encompassing claim of "Israel is
the first power to allow freedom of religious expression in
Jerusalem" has been reduced to "Israel allows freedom of religious
expression in Jerusalem, while Jordan didn't in the part of Jerusalem
it administered."  Somehow the sweeping generalization has lost its
punch in the light of reality.

Next, perhaps someone should post some comments on the religious
restrictions placed on Jews in East Jerusalem during the Jordanian
tenure.  I would find this an interesting topic.
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=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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