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From: hughes@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes)
Subject: RE: Software Toolworks: "The Miracle Piano Teaching System"?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:14:14 GMT

>From rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews Mon Jan 25 14:00:38 EST 1993
>Article: 46585 of rec.games.video
>Newsgroups: rec.games.video
>Path: rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews
>From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer)
>Subject: Software Toolworks: "The Miracle Piano Teaching System"?
>Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News)
>Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

>Our daughter would love a keyboard for her birthday, and we've found
>several in the $100-$150 range that seem quite nice.  However, I wondered
>if anyone had any experience, good or otherwise, with the product that is
>the subject of this article?  It's a rather no-frills keyboard in appearance,
>that connects to a Genesis/NES/SNES unit.  With included software cartridge,
>it claims to be a teaching system.

>At $399.99 list, the price is rather high, and I have my doubts that it's
>worth 3-4x the price of a keyboard alone.  And yes, I'll certainly audition
>the heck out of it if we do become seriously interested (we have a Genesis,
>so would be looking at that version).  But I thought I'd first ask if anyone
>here has used one.  Comments welcome, here or via email.  Thanks.

>(I also intend to ask on rec.music, but since this is at least tangentially
>related to games... :-)
>-- 
>"Look, Max: 'Cheese in a pressurized can'! |   Steve rehrauer@apollo.hp.com
> Even WE wouldn't eat THAT!"               | H.P. Systems Technology Division
>   -- Freelance Police                     |    Massachusetts Language Lab


  Information about the Miracle piano system can be obtained from

  Software Toolworks
  60 Leveroni Court 
  Novato,
  CA 94949

  1-415-883-3000 (general)
  1-800-488-2221 (Miracle Piano dedicated line)

  (I telephoned them this morning)

  I have seen the PC version for sale at $350.00, and the NES/SNES/Genesis
 version for sale at $269.00 (which may be later upgraded to a PC version
 for about $100.00). As far as I can see the PC version has three
 things that most $200.00 keyboards currently don't,

   1. MIDI interface 
   2. RS232 Computer Interface
   3. Software designed to make learning the piano fun (that
      works through the RS232 interface, not the MIDI interface)

  What I would like to see is similar software that is sold
 separately and works through the MIDI interface of any
 appropriate keyboard and configured PC system, then I could use
 my existing hardware.

  I have seen at least one very positive review (within the last two years)
 in the NYT that can be found at any good library.

   Declan Hughes
   hughes@ral.rpi.edu
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From: ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: IIvx/vi and MIDI: some information, more questions
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:16:47 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

We have been hearing second hand reports here for some time, that the IIvx/vi
series have problems with MIDI.  As I bought a vi two months ago principally
for MIDI applications, I've followed up these reports, but have not been
able to tie them down to any specifics.  I've tried to tickle the alleged
bug [missing bytes on long Sysex dumps] using the kit available in my rig, 
without success.  I discussed this with staff of one of the major UK dealers, 
who had also heard reports of problems, and we came up with the surmise that 
my apparent lack of problems might be connected with my using an 
independently powered interface.

Today's issue of the UK magazine Sound on Sound contains some more information
on this topic, in its "Software Support" column.  The copy is contributed
by the software manufacturers themselves, so shouldn't be excessively mangled
by the journalists.  Here is what Steinberg say, verbatim:
  
  ... discussion of increasing hardware demands ...
  
  "Problems are not always confined to older machines.  Steinberg have 
  information from 'people who should know' that the new Performa 600 and
  Mac IIvx may have difficulty in reliably talking to standard MIDI interfaces.
  This is a fast moving area, and in the last few weeks, word has changed from
  'it'll never be possible' to 'maybe with some work ...' to 'a fix is here'.
  Steinberg decided it would be best to inform all their national distributors
  that there may be difficulties, and to hold back on guaranteeing 100% Mac 
  IIvx compatibility when we weren't sure about the timing of any possible
  fix. Now Apple has a fix.  All owners of the IIvx can get hold of a new 
  system extension called *System Enabler* [bold text] direct from their
  Apple distributor, and the problem just goes away. It's free, but as it's 
  an Apple product, it will not be available from Steinberg or their dealers."
  
  ... article continues with enthusiastic discussion of Duos 210 and 230,
  but no mention of any problems with those ...
  
Tantalising, isn't it?  They don't tell us what the problem is; they don't
mention any problem with the vi, although some of the rumours have mentioned
that as well as the vx.  And they tell us to go get a System Enabler, without
telling us which SE! [vx/vi systems come with System Enabler 001, no option].

So please (pretty please!) can someone at Apple please tell us all what's
going on?  If Apple has released an updated Enabler to fix this problem,
why no announcement in c.s.m.a?  Will it be available for anonymous ftp
from ftp.apple.com?  And just what is the problem?  Is it going to hit me
just as I walk out onto a stage to perform my long-gestated magnum opus?
Or have Steinberg got it all wrong?

In frustration ...

Russ
From: deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (A. J. Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland TR727 ?
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:23:32 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I'm sorry, there was a thread on the roland drum machines a while ago but I
have forgotten all now.

Is the tr727 any good? I can get one quite cheaply now, but I was wondering
if anyone has anything real nasty to say to help put me off!

BTW I am after mainly good and controllable sounds, rather than the patterns
etc (I'll be using midi).

Thanks,
Antony. (deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz)
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:18:24 GMT
Subject: Re: K2000 mailinglist attention!!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, hak@jyu.fi (Henry Hente Kolari) writes:

...
> I'm trying to reach a person, who is on the K2000 mailinglist, ...
> ...
> and I'll put you on the list...
> 
>   -Henry Kolari

I must have missed the announcement of the K2000 mailing list.
Can you repost the announcement ?

Thanks.

Dave                (daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: schippit@seviche.ycc.yale.edu (Mark G. Schippits)
Subject: For Sale: Fender Rhodes Mark II Stage Piano
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Yale Medical Informatics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:12:39 GMT

Traditional Rhodes electric piano sound

Works just like an electric guitar with pickups and all!
(but uses variable length vibrating tines instead)

Asking $200 or B.O. (offers gladly accepted)

Wounderful condition

Plays well

Recently releathered!

All 73 Keys in perfect shape (thats one keyt over 6 octaves)

Prefer local buyer to avoid postage costs
(it requires 2 people to move!)

Complete with stand and road case (also releathered)

mark_schippits@qm.ycc.yale.edu
schippit@seviche.ycc.yale.edu
Phone: (203) 785-7443
From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il (Flashner Amit)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: ftp site for Yamaha V50
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:14:07 GMT
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anybody know of a site for V50 sounds, sequences etc. ?
Are there any sites for MIDI data, where?
If you have a V50 e-mail me for a brilliant idea!


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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:53:47 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Roland JD-800 -- BEAUTIFUL!

>This machine is truly beautiful.  It is basically the D50 of the 1990's.
>I can touch a single note, and begin composing from there.  It is an extremely
>inspiring instrument.  It is one of the last of the ANALOG machines that
>incorporates the best of the DIGITAL DOMAIN.  It is 5-way multi-timbral plus

While I agree the JD800 sounds fantastic in single patch mode;

(1) I think the voice architecture is 100% digital.

(2) When you change to multi-timbral mode, you lose most of the effects 
and it doesn't sound nearly as good.

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim)
Subject: Cheap Samplers
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:16:31 GMT

Hi. I'm in the market for a _cheap_ sampler. I sequence using an Atari 
ST, and I've currently got a Yam SY 22, TX81z and FB01 and a Casio 
CZ 230s (roughly a preset version of the CZ 101). I'm also using a
Boss DR 550, ART Multiverb LT and it's all going through a Studiomaster
desk into my sound setup. So, I've got enough "synth" sounds, What I
really want to be able to do is- (1) Sample vocals/guitars and fly them
in. (2) Sound effects- Industrial type stuff. I'm not really interested
in choirs, strings and so on, although I'd probably use them if I had 
them. 
   From what I can se, there are a couple of cheap samplers new; the 
Cheetah SX16 and the Akai S01. Does anyone have opinions on these? 
Are they suitable for what I want? I'm going to be playing most samples
"straight", so lack of filters and so on won't be a problem. Would I
be better off going for a second hand Mirage, or S950? Thanks for any
advice, if I get any requests I'll post a summary. Cheers!

--
Tim Wright.                   \               Real Life sucks
wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk        \                   losers dry.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: steve@digibd.com (Steve Wahl)
Subject: Re: Software Toolworks: "The Miracle Piano Teaching System"?
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:20:48 GMT

In article <n5n3vc@rpi.edu> hughes@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes) writes:
>  I have seen the PC version for sale at $350.00, and the NES/SNES/Genesis
> version for sale at $269.00 (which may be later upgraded to a PC version
> for about $100.00). As far as I can see the PC version has three
> things that most $200.00 keyboards currently don't,
>
>   1. MIDI interface 
>   2. RS232 Computer Interface
>   3. Software designed to make learning the piano fun (that
>      works through the RS232 interface, not the MIDI interface)

I've heard that the Miracle keyboard is also velocity sensitive, which
I don't believe is common among low end keyboards.  This alone might make
it worth the extra money, even if you throw the software out.

--> Steve
-- 
Steve Wahl               steve@digibd.com
Digi International, Inc.
Eden Prairie, MN
From: cubase@cs.tut.fi (Pekka Martikainen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Roland JD-800 -- BEAUTIFUL!
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:25:14
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:33 +0000

In article <9301251824.aa10792@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

> >It has to compete because if I want sparkling analog sounds I would buy
> >K2000, not JD-800.

> ..and if you want a front-panel you buy a JD-800. It's called the
> marketplace. I don't see your point.

The better sound of K2000 overrides the handy front panel of JD-800.
You may disagree, people like different things. The panel of JD-800 is not
so good as in old analog synths. You can't "see" the sound if you look the
sliders. That is, of course, the problem of every synth that have memory.
K2000 can produce wider range of digital/analog hybrid sounds, in my opinion.
If I need only pure analog sounds, I use real stuff.

>  Nick Rothwell

Pekka Martikainen

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From: eric@nit.pactel.com (Eric Pederson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: 909 For Sale
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:41:12 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Pac*Tel Corporation

dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott) writes:

>In article <1993Jan27.141350.7960@mks.com>, rich@mks.com (Rich Jones) writes:
>|> Not if you want an analog source, rather than a digital sample of an
>|> analog source.  Think they sound too close to distinguish?  Try
>|> sampling a Prophet-5 or Minimoog sometime.  Then, wait for yourself to
>|> say "but it's just not the same" or "where did the knobs go?"

>This is true for a synth, but how much can you tweak most analog
>drum machines?  If you can't change the sound, or if the changes
>that can be made aren't important to the person doing the work, then
>the only real difference is the user interface for the programmer,
>and I think you can do better these days with a computer.

>(This is an honest question.  The only analog drum machines I ever
>used had no sound tweaking capabilities at all.)

The TR-808 (an analog machine) has numerous dials to tweak items such as decay,
tone, attack, snappyness, tone and level.  Not all sounds have the same set of
adjustments that can be made.  Also, some of the sounds on the 808 are 
definitely different from what you can generate on digital drum machines.  The prime
example is the booming full-decay bass drum sound that comes out of the 808.
-- 
Eric Pederson                                       Pac*Tel Corporation
eric@nit.pactel.com                                        510-210-8890
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: law40035@nusunix1.nus.sg (ANG CHENG KOON)
Subject: Re: Soundblaster
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:04:31 GMT


Below $200 ???

You'd better have a lot of equipment already, which you haven't
mentioned, cos $200 is no way near enough to do what you're describing.
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From: martin
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,
Subject: K2000 sampling option shipping information
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:05:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

I just talked with Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, IN.
They said that they're expecting Kurzweil to start shipping
the sampling option in a couple of weeks (mid February or-so).
They were, however, taking advance orders.

Apparently, not many Kurzweil dealers will be doing the mods
themselves, as it requires cutting into the case, etc.

They were asking $500 installation included.

		-- Tim

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From: wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Wayne Wylupski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FORSALE: SD1-32 and DX11 synths
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:05:36 GMT
Distribution: NE
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA


Forsale:
1 Ensoniq SD1-32 voice synth workstation. Wavetable synth includes 24 track
sequencer and dual 24 bit effects processor. Comes with dual footswitch,
volume pedal, hardshell case, and additional patches from SSU. This unit was 
purchased last July and has less than 15 hours use.
$1700.00 

1 Yamaha DX11 FM synth. 8 voice multimbral. Operators can generate one of 8
waveforms. Comes with 2 Ram5 8-bank memory carts, additional patches from
SSU, and sustain pedal. Good condition.
$400.00
 
Serious Inquiries to Keith Hedger (617) 491-6324
be prepared to pick up in Cambridge, Ma
(sorry, our mailer is stupid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tparker@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker)
Subject: Re: LAPTOP
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:38:39 GMT

In article <41050204@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joncon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jon Connolly) writes:
>There is atleast one company that makes a midi interface that will run 
>off of a serial port with laptops specifically in mind.  Off hand, I 
>can't remember what the name of the company is.  I called them up
>and had them send me some info on their products and they looked 
>pretty good.  They have a couple of different models and the price
>range is roughly $150 - $250, I think.
>
>The company I am referring to is in Texas.  I found it in Electronic
>Musician, or one of "those" magazines.  If you don't have any luck 
>finding this company or another similar one let me know and I can
>dig up the documentation I have at home some where.

The company is Key Electronics.  The interface is called the
Midiator.  They have several models.  Their phone number is
800-533-MIDI.

-- Tom
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Jay_Tobias@taligent.com (Jay Tobias)
Subject: JV-80 Sound Cards
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Taligent
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:03:12 GMT

What are the best sound cards for the JV-80?  What sources are there?  In
Keyboard magazine, advertisers include Sound Source and Pro-Rec.  I've
listened to and like the Sound Source programs, but wish they worked with
the expansion board.  Pro-rec has a demo line over the phone, but it's hard
to make out the quality.  

What are your experiences?  I'll summarize and post to the net if peope are
interested.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: franks@bullwinkle.rtp.dg.com (Alan Franks)
Subject: FOR SALE: Yamaha DX-21 with accessories
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:47:22 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.


FOR SALE:

Yamaha DX-21 synthesizer (in very good condition), with user manual, 
'Suspenders' keyboard stand, and sustain footswitch.  

$400 negotiable

Alan Franks

franks@dg-rtp.dg.com
(h) 919/596-2477
(w) 919/248-6312

Alan P. Franks                   Internet: franks@dg-rtp.dg.com
Integrated System Applications   UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!franks
Data General Corporation
62 T.W. Alexander Drive
From: flashner@math.tau.ac.il (Flashner Amit)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Midi ftp sites
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:15:44 GMT
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Where can I find sites for MIDI information
(sounds,sequences,information etc.) if any at all?


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From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: For James at Univ of Sask? (Chroma owner)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:37:17 GMT

James

By the time it got to my machine, your post didn't have an 
address I could use.

I'm always looking for Chroma owners to trade info with 
(with whom to trade info?).  Please send me mail.

Dennis Pelton
dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Cheap Samplers
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.belew@uttsbbs.uucp (John Belew)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

AT>   From what I can se, there are a couple of cheap samplers new; the
AT>Cheetah SX16 and the Akai S01. Does anyone have opinions on these?
AT>Are they suitable for what I want? I'm going to be playing most samples
AT>"straight", so lack of filters and so on won't be a problem. Would I
AT>be better off going for a second hand Mirage, or S950? Thanks for any
AT>advice, if I get any requests I'll post a summary. Cheers!

Stay aways form the new Akai at all costs, total cheese. A few to look
into are a used Emax SE (street price of about $700 'round here), or, if
you have some way of performing the initial A/D conversion (read: Sound
Blaster PRO, etc.) check into the Peavy DMP SP rack unit (comes with a
SCSI port and uses Mac SIMMS for memory). You can use Sample Vision or
a similar product to dump the samples into the box.

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From: peterd@kofax.com (Peter DeAngelis)
Subject: Standard file format for sharing scores between apps?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:45:43 GMT
Organization: Kofax Image Products
Followup-To: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Distribution: usa

Is there a way to share a given score which was written in one application
with another different application?  If I am using something like Cakewalk
to write a score, and would like to use another application to modify a
portion of the score, how would I go about it?

The perfect path for what I would like to do would involve some standard
type of file format which conveys all of the critical parameters of the score.
Very standard parameters such as meter, key and clef along with more subtle
parameters like pedals, and directives like pp, ff, mf etc.

I currently do not own any midi or scoring software but I am thinking of
getting into it, any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
						 Pete D.
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From: bdenckla@husc10.harvard.edu (Benjamin Denckla)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.compose,comp.music,alt.emusic
Subject: Music Printer Plus 4.1 for sale
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan27.180111.19879
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Music Printer Plus version 4.1 for sale starting at $350.  License to be
transferred to buyer.  Unopened package.  Street price is $435 as far as I
can tell.

Ben Denckla
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth