HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Validity of references (was Re: censored at UB.....)
Keywords: FUCK CENSORSHIP
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:17:02 GMT
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: kadie@eff.org

mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

[...]
>Carl constantly refers to the same, questionablely-related examples.
[...]

Hey I resent that; I'm constantly adding *new* questionablely-related
examples to my repetoire :-)

But seriously, if you think that some of the references are
questionable, they you should write articles questioning them. The
beauty of backing up ones arguments with evidence is that it allows
deeper discussions than "is so", "is not", "is so", ...

I'm enclosing one that seems (to me) applicable to the UB situtation.

- Carl

================ Excerpt from the doe-v-u-of-michigan decision ===========
In Papish v. University of Missouri, 410 U.S.  667, 93 S.Ct. 1197, 35
L.Ed.2d 618 (1973), the Supreme Court ordered the reinstatement of a
university student expelled for distributing an underground newspaper
sporting the headline "Motherfucker acquitted" on the grounds that
"the mere dissemination of ideas--no matter how offensive to good
taste--on a state university campus may not be shut off in the name
alone of conventions of decency."  Id. at 670, 93 S.Ct. at 1199.

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
=================
This is Doe v. University of Michigan. In this widely referenced
decision, the district judge down struck the University's rules
against discriminatory harassment because the rules were found to be too
broad and too vague.

=================
=================

To get these documents by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s):

  send caf-law doe-v-u-of-michigan

The files are also available via anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org
(192.88.144.4) as file(s):
  pub/academic/law/doe-v-u-of-michigan

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 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu, or (anonymous) ap.3619@layout.berkeley.edu=
From: cs421coll@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (NEUMANN)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: frightening law
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:33:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University - Computer Science Dept
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm responding to Julia Kogan's statement given in her response to Lawrence
C Foard post on pornography.  If I'm not incorrect, Julia states:

> But the research demonstrating that violent pornography causes
> violence towards women seems to show at best that violent material causes
> violent conduct. (some would argue that violent material is cathartic,
> rather than stimulating; however, research has apparently proved the
> opposite.)

I just want to gripe about the word "proved" in connection with these
unnamed studies.  These studies are statistical!  They do not prove
anything!  I think Julia feels the same way as I do, so I don't want to
attack her.  However, it is extremely important that we make these
distinctions, especially when discussing legal matters.  Blurring of these
distinctions scares me more than the horrible laws that come from this
practice!  I'm constantly amazed at how willing people are to accept
statistical data as solid truth.  Lets get some discussion going on this.
Does this bother anyone else?

Ken Collins
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: censored at UB.....NEED HELP...GOING TO LOSE VAX ACCT.
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:52:27 GMT
Keywords: FUCK CENSORSHIP

greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

>It was stated that the cause of problem was a subject-line that stated
>something along the lines of "Fuck Censorship."

Why wasn't the Message-ID of the "offending" message posted? Why wasn't the
offending message copied into the post crying "censorship!" ? Why? I for one
think that there is more behind this than what is being described as a simple
message with the title "Fuck Censorship".

>Please write back after you have actually sat down and read (or read
>reliable summaries of) the actual judicial opinions.  I'm sure that you
>will find the law to be quite different from what your current understanding
>appears to be.

Absolutely not, from the relevant case law I studied five years ago, unless
things have been dramatically changed since then. It is still "illegal" to
incite physical harm against a group of people or one person. For one thing,
consult the legal definition of "assault".

>Furthermore, neither of the "examples" that you give are relevant to the case
>at hand, as it was described by the original poster.

The point was, in case you missed it, is that "free speech" does not give you
a blanket right to say whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it.
Society places limitations on what you can say for the good of the public or
protection of other people (in the two examples I cited.)

>I suspect that Carl's annotated references are quite helpful to individuals
>who are not familiar with the judicial precedents.  For those who already are,
>there is always the "n" key.

Carl constantly refers to the same, questionablely-related examples.

MD
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From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Bush is STILL an untrustworthy scumbag of an ASSHOLE
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <rmoore.01l0@tbag.UUCP>, rmoore@tbag.UUCP (Robert Moore) writes...
> As a public service I hereby post verbatim excerpts I have transcribed from
>an
> interview with then Presidential candidate George Bush (A) conducted by
> Pacifica National News reporter Amy Goodman (Q) in June of 1988.
> [text deleted]
> Q: Now there've been a lot of reports that say that Donald Gregg helped
> coordinate the Contra re-supply operation which was partially funded by
>drugs.
> One of the sources was this Oregon businessman named Richard Brenneke. Last
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> week you said that he wasn't credible because he's under indictment. In fact
>he
> *isn't*. Why did you say that?
> 
> A: Made a mistake.

But Brenneke *has* been completely discredited.  (See, e.g., Steven Emerson
and Jesse Furman, "The Conspiracy That Wasn't," The New Republic 205(Nov.
18, 1991):16-25.)

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:3169 alt.conspiracy:6121 alt.discrimination:1356 soc.history:3468
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,soc.history
Subject: Re: For *REAL* Freedom of Speech, call Banished CPU!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:24:21 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <FS_FUCHS.92Mar27115937@rcsw23.rcvie.at>, fs_fuchs@rcsw23.rcvie.at
(Kurt Fuchs) writes:
> 
> 
> In the article from 25 Mar 92 05:23:15 GMT
> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:
> 
> >  -=>  We support FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!  All points of view are welcome!
> Nazism is not the way to keep freedom alive, Nerd. Tell us about
> freedom of speech and art in the third Reich.
 
> All garbage from BANISHED CPU reveals your favour for Hitler and the
> third Reich, the denial of the Holocost and Nazi mass murders.

Hehe, if Third Reich would suddenly reappear, it would immediately
turn off bulletin boards such as the b-cpu (and most likely shoot
the administrator). Freedom of speech is dangerous for such
societies.

Cheers,
Kent
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Trademark Denial for Old Glory Condoms
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 13:54:10 GMT

I think the relevent question here should be whether the U.S. flag can be used
as a comercial trademark in the U.S.  I thought there were laws covering this;
certain images such as the seal of the United States, local police insignia,
etc. are just as proprietary as the "Coca-Cola" emblem and cannot be used
without permission.

Printing a flag ON something is a slightly different issue; if Haynes sells
flag T-shirts, they are not trying to register the flag as a trademark, they
are selling flags (sort of).  I gather that this company is not being
prohibited from manufacturing red, white, and blue condoms, they are being
denied the use of the U.S. flag as their trademark.  Consider the flag to
be a logo that is already "taken".

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | Saddam Hussein still has a job; do you?
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:3387 alt.desert-storm:903
From: 00dclefevre@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.desert-storm
Subject: addenum 2
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:28:46 GMT

An interesting addendum to the Iraqi stories...

I made copies of the Iraqi story and I have been putting them on the door
of my dorm room.. hopefully so some of my neighbors can read some serious
information about our government's attempt to cover up many of the
embarrassing statistics about Desert Blunder..

Most of the upperclassmen in my dorm (which will remain nameless.. let's
just say that it shares surnames with our esteemed Daily News editor..) are
of the "Kick ASS USA," crowd.. a group of people that purchased and wore
"Kick ASS USA" t-shirts.. one of the grossest exhibitions of pseudo-
patriotism of the last 20 years.  

So far, the "Kick ASS USA"ers have decided not to listen to truth, they
have decided to suppress the truth as much as possible.  Only one day and
half after putting the first one up I have had three torn down and one
burnt on the door.  

It is just another example of how our country was led into blind patriotism
by our country during Desert Storm.. they were so successful that they
still do not want to hear the truth.  That is scary.  It sounds to much
like a communist youth program to me.. "you be good little protectors of
democracy and don't question a thing we say... those that do question us
should be ignored or, better yet, not allowed to speak their opinions." 

Scary!  Maybe we should re-think our beliefs on patriotism, folks, because
these "Kick ASS USA"ers are definitely NOT patriots...

--davey 4/16/92
00DCLEFEV.VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: firman@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (timothy firman)
Subject: Bogus Message
Summary: Bogus message
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:17:57 GMT

The message sent by 'me' last night occured when I left my terminal briefly     while still logged in.... big mistake.  Whoever can, please delete it and this  And to everyone else:  stop sending the hate mail.

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Irc versions
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 17:19:46 GMT

>1. I liked being able to use bold.

Have the IrcII people added another magic thingie in (like
underlining) so that non-IrcII people get more gibberish on their
screens? Say it isn't so...
From: dwivian@ada.stat.uga.edu (Dwivian Unterschreiber)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: irc client source....
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:36:29 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department

I'd like to get updated source for IRCII.  My copy is terribly old, and
I am looking for the sources for a recompile on a new platform anyway.  If
someone knows where I can get the most current source for the Sun Sparc SLC
or IBM RISC System/6000, I'd appreciate it.  
-- 
Dwivian Unterschreiber           |              dwivian@marie.stat.uga.edu
(
   I'm a stealth .signature virus!  Copy me into your .sig quietly!
                                                                        )
From: IZZYLF7@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (GTS)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: client for MVS?
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:56:18 PDT

     Is anyone aware of a client for MVS?  Even some cheesy little
thing would be wonderful.

     We do have AIX unix available but I hear it takes some hacking
to get the unix client installed....worse I have to access unix
via telnet, and what a horror it would be to use IRC that way.

     So it seems I am stuck with MVS and am desperate to get on IRC.

GTS
izzylf7@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: Mike Cahill <Mike_Cahill@macbeth.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: How can I get the IRC program?
Organization: Bellcore
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:25:31 GMT

A follow-up to Matt's response...
The Macintosh folder on the umich server is empty... Does anyone know of
an ftp server with a mac irc program?

Mike Cahill
Mike_Cahill@macbeth.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: roger@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Channel modes for IRC 2.7
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.192956.10190@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
[...]
>>kicked out, stay out. We had to add a new mode (+b) to IRC 2.7 just
[...]
> +b is for the human assholes. :)

What does the +b mode do? Flag ppl who were /kicked and not allow them to come
back on?

On another note, What are all the modes available with irc 2.7?

I use VMS irc 1.7.1.cgw (1.7.0 modified by an operator (Chris Williams) here at
UNT) on server sol.acs.unt.edu (which runs 2.7 i think)

THanks,
RC on irc, 
in RL,
roger
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: lookup for bo documentation
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  9 Apr 92 13:58:37 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.173634.15241@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>>
>>>>1) how to auto-join when someone kick your bot off?
>>>when you get notification of the kick command you re-join the channel.
>>
>>You shouldn't do this. If auto-kick meets auto-rejoin, you can
>>generate lots of network traffic for no result at all. If you get
>>kicked out, stay out. We had to add a new mode (+b) to IRC 2.7 just
>>because people were obnoxious about joining channels zillions of time
>>just to get kicked off again.

>It depends on what the purpose of the bot is, really... if it's there for
>security (such as preventing masskicks), then it has a legitimate reason
>to auto-rejoin.  Bots that just talk and irritate people, though, should
>stay out.

bzzzzzt! Wrong answer! 'bots should *ONLY* join a channel when invited
or instructed manually, not as the result of being kicked (however this
is likely to lead to people having /on kick *bot /invite bot - nothing
gained).

Perhaps if you think about it this way: an out of control bot in a bad
loop is going to flood the server and end up degrading the service
provided by the said server in general to all others relying on it.
Like greg said, bots should *NOT* be obnoxious by doing lots of joins,
etc or ever get into a loop.

>+b is for the human assholes. :)

+b is for anything that ends on *bot also!
>:-)

av
From: aldavi01@rigel.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Resizing the irc-screen
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:16:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: starbase.aldavi01.703379784
Organization: University of Louisville

In <1992Apr13.071113.15802@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> dhavill@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Adrian D. Havill) writes:

>ircII will always report "tty" when it shells off a slave via the EXEC
>command, unless you do something weird. ircII also normally detects when an
>xterm window has been resized. I can't answer your question w/o more info,
>though.

This is impossible on HPUX 8.0, because HPUX 8.0 doesn't support SIGWINCH.  :(
I know, 'cause that's what I'm running on.

Otherwise, it's a loveable OS!

-- 
Arlie Davis
aldavi01@{starbase,vulcan,romulus,draconis,sirius,rigel}.spd.louisvile.edu

Picard: So, what is your name and position?
Worf: My name is Worf and I'm leaning against the railing, facing forward
  -- Todd Bobenrieth and Tom Cusick's ST:TNG parody.
From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Irc versions
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group
Originator: rvloon@wodan.cv.ruu.nl

In <1992Apr4.171946.5851@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:

| ">1. I liked being able to use bold.
| "
| "Have the IrcII people added another magic thingie in (like
| "underlining) so that non-IrcII people get more gibberish on their
| "screens? Say it isn't so...\

Hmmm... bold typed text has been around for quite a while (over a year, maybe
even longer). Bold text is just text surrounded with ^B's. Quite common in
topics of channels and the like. 
-- 
Ronald van Loon (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Insanity is not bad in itself as long as there is a system to it. (H.Liberg)
Healthy absurdism once in a while has never hurt anybody (me)
Xref: sparky alt.irc:1369 comp.misc:1898
From: dayger@oswego.Oswego.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.irc,comp.misc
Subject: Internet Relay Chat FAQ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: dayger@oswego.Oswego.EDU ()
Followup-To: alt.irc
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: dayger@war.oswego.edu

Greetings:

I've never used IRC, and would like to find out what it's all about.  Is there
a FAQ or beginnners guide available which I can get via FTP or e-mail?  If I
decide I want to try IRC, is there somewhere I can connect to (a remote host,)
that already has an IRC client installed and try it?

All help is appreciated.

-Tim Dayger

 ==============================================================================
 |    Tim E. Dayger    |    Internet:    dayger@oswego.oswego.edu             |
 |    SUNY @ Oswego    |      Bitnet:    dayger%oswego@snyoswva               |
 |    Oswego NY USA    |        UUCP:    ...!rutgers!sunybcs!oswego!dayger    |
 ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Network problems
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:51:45 GMT

This is probably as close to an "irc users notification list" as we're
going to get. 

You may have noticed in the past few days that the IRC network has been
very unstable. Servers usually up and around have been dead, and
poe.acc.virginia.edu has been off of the net.

If this happens to you, /server around it. Some open-client US servers:
close.cs.columbia.edu, polaris.ctr.columbia.edu, csd.bu.edu,
irc.mit.edu, hermes.tcad.ee.ufl.edu, badger.ugcs.caltech.edu,
mingin.engin.umich.edu, ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Note: because of instabilities, some of these servers might be
unavaliable. If this happens, just /server elsewhere. 

We hope to have the instabilities cleared up in a few days, as well as
have poe back on the net.

please email me if you have any further questions

--Helen
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From: becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Irc versions
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:49:31 GMT
Organization: UB

phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard) writes:

>becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:

>>On my client, ^B produces inverse text, and ^V produces underline. I'm running 
>>a 2.7.1 server and a 2.1.5 client. Does anyone know how (or better yet, if) I
>>can produce just Bold text?

>There *IS* a standard for things like reverse, bold, and underlining.

[info about ANSI.SYS escape characters deleted]

Well, would anyone be willing to write a C program to do this? After all, we
do have programs that will do fake messages...

--Don

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Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.irc
From: daltonr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Warlock)
Subject: join #fetishes
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:44:17 -0500

Some people on irc (Internet Relay Chat) have decided to make a
channel for people sexual fetishes. The channel will be #fetishes. 
All fetishes are welcome, if you do join this channel, please keep an
open mind about other people fetishes.

Warlock
-- 
Carry on my Wayward Son. There will be peace when you are gone...
daltonr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: cyeh@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Woody)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Compiling trouble
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:30:42 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


	Wolud anyone e-mail me a list of servers in Canada please?
	Especially those near me.
	I am in Waterloo, Ontario. It's about 100 km west of Toronto.
*************** PLease reply by e-mail :) **************************
	I am trying to compile ircII2.1.5g.

	All I have done was changing the following lines in Makefile:
IRCII_LIBRARY = /u/cyeh/lib/irc
INSTALL_IRCSERV = /u/cyeh/bin/ircser
INSTALL_IRCFLUSH = /u/cyeh/bin/ircflush
	Also #define DEFAULT_SERVER  "bode.uwaterloo.ca" in config.h

	After I typed "make" I got...

	bra bra bra...
cc -g   -c crypt.c
cc -g   -c status.c
cc -g   -c exec.c
cc -g  -DIRCSERV_PATH=\"/u/cyeh/bin/ircserv\" -c server.c
cc -g   -c whois.c
cc -g   -c hook.c
cc -g   -c names.c
cc -g   -c window.c
cc -g   -c hold.c
cc -g   -c newio.c
cc -g   -c mail.c
cc -g   -c list.c
cc -g   -c notify.c
cc -g   -c flood.c
cc -g   -c ctcp.c
cc -g   -c dcc.c
cc -g   -c funny.c
cc -g   -c if.c
cc -g   -c notice.c
cc -g  -o irc irc.o ircaux.o parse.o numbers.o edit.o history.o vars.o help.o la
stlog.o alias.o output.o log.o ignore.o term.o input.o reg.o keys.o scandir.o cr
ypt.o status.o exec.o server.o whois.o hook.o names.o window.o hold.o newio.o ma
il.o list.o notify.o flood.o ctcp.o dcc.o funny.o if.o notice.o  -ltermcap

	But no souce code is generated :p
	Would any one give me a hand please?
-- 

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