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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:42:58 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <3119@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:

>>      The only heroes that died in Crisis (or villains for that matter) that 
>> will stay dead are the ones they haven't come up with new uses for.  And 
>> remember, the real loser heroes and villains didn't even rate dying on screen 
>> in Crisis.

>Barry is dead. Tula "Aquagirl" is dead. The original Dove died.

>The Crime Syndicate of Earth III was a major villian group IMHO.
>They could have retconed them being from another Earth/Dimension
>but they killed them off and did it well.

	Um... hate to tell you, but methinks you spoke too soon.  Or
too late, actually, by a whole week.  Check out the latest JLI
Quarterly, in which it's revealed that the Crime Syndicate was now a
villain group grom Qward instead of Earth-3 (with all of the males
bald like the Weaponers, it appears from the rather undetailed
picture)-- the major villains of that story are basically the
equivalent for the current League (twisted, more powerful versions of
the heroes) with some substitutions.

Mike
-- 
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mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Karl Marx (1990) as imagined by
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Jim Koncz (konc@midway.uchicago.edu)
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:02:41 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> }>>>	Hm. Perhaps the Watcher? I don't believe we've seen him yet,
> }>>>which is a bit odd considering how cosmic it's all been getting.
> }>
> }>>Maybe, perhaps... it's Franklin ;)
> }>
> }>No... I got it... the old Thor :)
> }
> 
> You are ALL wrong!!!!
> 
> I HAVE IT!!!!!
> 
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

	Hmmmm.  You too huh?

			wReam...

P.S.  I am so thrilled I now can get RAC.misc and RAC.xbooks :)
(Now I get a double dose of DVANDOM's .SIG ART!! :)
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros (a very obscure one)
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:26:01 MDT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

> That's all I know. I'd appreciate any info to make the list more 
> complete. Anything at all, no matter how obscure the company or even
> a well-Israel-has-a-superhero-we-just-don't-see-him-that-often.

	You want obscure?  Ok wReam-a-Rang Comics has a Jewish 
Character in their comic Epic Elementis.  His name is Joshua Dinerstein.
His Father was a Russian Jew, who now lives in Utah.  Joshua has 
had no codename for the longest time, but soon will don the name
Mr. Multitask.  He is in love with the lead character Elementis and
his computer.  It's an Amiga (girlfriend) (Anyone who knows amiga users
know of their incessant love affair with them!).  He is the supragenius
type who has never experienced real love and at first experience thought
it was indigestion!  He has an evil younger brother John who thinks he's 
a genius, who will show up in the comic soon, but will probably make a 
very short appearance since he will probably blow himself up before making 
any doomsday devices.
	How do I know these intimate details?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Well, I'm not
telling who makes wReam-a-Rang Comics, but I can tell you they don't publish
a single thing, just draw comics in their spare time.  I guess its a mystery
that you'll just have to try and figure out...

					wReam...

P.S.  "Gazebo Boy finds his one power, the ability to transform
       into a beautiful wooden gazeebo, useless against the 
       fiendish Human Termite!" 
			-- What's New (from a very long time ago)
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Lobo's Back #3
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:29:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I've been off the net for about the last month, so I don't know if this
has been mentioned or not.  I heard it a a couple of weeks ago from my
sister, who works in a comics shop.  Apparently, DC will not be releasing
Lobo's Back #3, because, on the cover of #2, the artist slipped in a
certain portion of the male anatomy that wasn't spotted by the censors
(it's on Lobo/Bimbo's left arm, right near the elbow, if you care to
look).  If anyone else can confirm or deny this, please let me know.
I have no idea how this will affect other Lobo comics, such as Lobo's
Back #4 (would be strange without #3), Lobo's Blazing Chain of Love,
Lobo: Infanticide, etc.
From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JEWISH SUPERHEROES
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia

In article <m0mApa3-0000bcC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:

: Concerning Magnus (MAGNETO) yes he is of Romania descent and was raised with
: a Gypsy clan...can't recall the details too much, but his wife Magda was a
: Romanian, too.

This has _never_ been explicitly shown. It is _theorised_ that Magneto
is either Jewish or of Gypsy background. The only reasonably decisive
fact which could swing this is that he went to the newly formed state
of Israel sometime after 1948. This in itself does not prove anything,
after all Xavier was there too, and it seems that he is not Jewish. It
does, however, lend more credence to the theory that Magneto is Jewish
rather than Gypsy.

	- Robi
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.201559.23187@gdwest.gd.com> good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
>>>> While I'm on the subject, I have to say that at least one good thing came
>>>> out of the Crisis that (at least so far) has been permanent: scaling back
>>>> Superman's powers.  
>>Byrne et.al. did that post-Criso.
>Yeah, but Man of Steel #1 came out very soon after Crisis ended (and no
>other Superman books were released between the end of Crisis and the end of
>MoS as I recall).
>I had always thought that this implied that the new origin and power level 
>were due to the Crisis.

They did try to imply it, but there was a significant gap; long enough for
the ending of Crisis itself to show a non-businessman Luthor in jail, and
long enough for Superman to team up with Lady Quark, Harbinger, and Pariah
in DC Comics Presents, which clearly happened post-Crisis but has the old
Superman.
--
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Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: perry@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Perry Staltari)
Subject: Sinestro's ring! and Guy Gardner!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:30:22 GMT

	I'm a fairly new comer into the comic world, but have caught up
a lot lately. Currently I'm going through the Eclipso cross-overs and
regularly read L.E.G.I.O.N. I also have been following some of the
Batman mini-series that have been floating around. I haven't read too
many Marvel comics, but as you can see I'm into DC.
	I've just finished reading the Guy Gardner Reborn mini-series.
He's after Sinestro's ring and in the end gets it. I know little about
Sinestro and the extent of power he once had. Also, just how powerful is
this ring and is there anyway to stop Guy Gardner? Not that I think he
should be stopped, except I think Lobo has a score to settle.
	Personally when I was  first introduced to Guy I hated his
attitude, his abuse and his hair style. Now that he's taken charge of
his future I admire the guy and I'm waiting impatiently for the series
to begin.

	"Go FRAG yourselves".... Lobo


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Kryptonian Powers  (LONG)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:50:19 GMT

Not so long is this one.
     Two points in addition to the long entry.  One, the Daxamite lead 
vulnerability may simply be due to a total lack of ability by their body to 
remove lead and a high sensitivity to it.  A cost of their high vitality is 
that toxins are circulated much more quickly through the system, and if they 
can't be removed they cause lots of damage.  The anti-lead serum probably 
stimulates the immune system to recognize lead as an invader and remove it, 
whereas the permanent cures probably involve symbiotic relationships with 
bacteria/cells that can remove lead.  Two, how in Kolker's name does a race AS 
A WHOLE evolve a capability that is useless in their own environment?  Unless 
the "power gene" is so dominant that having one Daxamite ancestor 10000 years 
back still guarantees you full powers, it shouldn't have spread to the whole 
population.  The powers don't work on Daxam, so they don't enhance survival, so
posessors of the gene are no more likely to survive than any others.  Perhaps 
the Daxamites themselves are the result of bioengineering by a long-forgotten 
race, dumped on a planet where they would neither be endangered (no lead) nor 
dangerous (red sun) once their potential had been realized.  For the 
retcon-happy, might I suggest that the Eliminator (assuming Krypton the parent 
civilization) fell back in time and found Daxam, tried to remake it as Krypton 
and succeeded in almost duplicating the kryptonian genetic code, down to the 
non-functional powers.  It used to be assumed (pre-Millenium) that having one 
Kryptonian ancestor 30+ generations ago would still give you powers (Laurel 
Kent), so maybe the power gene is so dominant that it would take over without 
having to give survival advantage.  I see that my post is indeed long, and 
apologize for saying it wouldn't be.
     Dave Van Domelen, suffering from Math Physics hangover
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Sandman #41
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:29:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

The second-last long storyline begins here.  (Neil Gaiman outlines the
rest of the series in the letters page, and it appears that he plans to
stay on the title till about issue sixty.  That's this long story, some
short stories, a last long story, and a final set of shorts.  The last
long story is titled "The Kindly Ones".  This might imply that the 
current storyline is going to result in some kinslaying.)

The issue begins at Orpheus's temple, which has also become the resting
place of Johanna Constantine (whose epitaph is very suitable for a
Constantine), but we don't know yet how this ties in to the main story,
which is about Delerium's search for brother Olly.  (Desire seems highly
perturbed by this search.  Does he have something to do with the
disappearance, or is he by nature incapable of refraining from some sort
of intrigue?)  I can't wait to see Delerium behind a steering wheel.

It's interesting to see how the Endless are affected by their own 
dominions, or aren't.  Delerium is not only the mistress of unreality,
but also its victim.  Similarly, Desire is first and foremost a
desirer.  And Destiny appears to be a slave to destiny.  Dream, on the
other hand, is no dreamer, Destruction is too genial to be seen as
being dominated by destruction, and Death is the most thoroughly 'alive'
of the Endless.  Despair is an intermediate case, seeming to be depressive,
rather than despairing.

"Private party.  Invitation only.  Strict dress code."  Cute.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
	--Internal documentation, programmer unknown

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Tony Stark's death
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:24:51 GMT

Well, Stark died.  Clinical death.  No rescusitation.  Of course, that doesn't 
mean he's gone.  Interesting to note that the Marvel Media is speculating that 
he died of AIDS.  Of course, anyone who can't predict the final "surprise" page
by the end of page 4 (if not by two issues ago) should be taken out and 
Spahned.
     Dave Van Domelen, "rump-titty-titty-tum-TAH-tee"
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:56:27 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <14vj7eINNd4p@agate.berkeley.edu>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
> In article <sfjmkxh.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> )The 'Legionnaires' section of the comic was better, largely because
> )it was about characters who are part of the continuing story.  Excellent
> )bit of dialogue at the bottom of page 22, making it clear that the young
> )Garth is no Protean. 
> )
> )-----
> )Dani Zweig
> 
> 	Except that if this is the original Lightning Lad's personality,
> how is it that he has Proty/Garth's memories from between the "resurr-
> ection" and the Universo story? Up till now I was putting down the
> inconsistencies to "comic book science", but this makes my brain hurt.

This was explained to me by Mary Bierbaum at Chicago.  The memories were
given to the SW6 batch in a separate process from the cloning.  The concept
is probably similar to Larry Niven's  _World Out of Time_.
> 
> -- 
>    David Goldfarb          |"I'm going to die if you touch me one more time.
> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |Well, I guess that I'm going to die no matter what."
> goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |          -- They Might Be Giants
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: Blue Devil & Showcase (was Re: Crisis on Inf)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:19:27 GMT

jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.  But at least Blue
>Devil is finally making a comeback!  First he'll be showing up in
>Eclipso then in Showcase '93 next year!

Blue Devil is great!  I look forward to his further appearances.

Now then, what's all this about a book called Showcase '93?

Tom
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics Humor...
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:18:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >Just a bit of humor from today's Calvin and Hobbes that i thought might be
 >appreciated here...
 >
 >CALVIN:  The best thing about Captain Steroid comic books
 >	 is that every issue is number one.
 >HOBBES:  Every issue??
 >
 >C:	 Sure!  That way they're ALL collector items!  These will be worth
 >	 billions of dollars some day!
 >
 >gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)

sergio aragones did this joke a few issues ago with GROO.

ok
dpm
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: opinions sought on Ramna1/2
Keywords: non manga fans please
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:09:33 GMT

ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>    I would like to know peoples opinions of the comic Ramna1/2 by Viz comics.
>This question is aimed at those who are not big fans of manga or anime.

I like it, although I've been told that some of the language-dependent
jokes aren't translated very well.  It's the plot I like, not the
artwork, which seems standard anime.
-- 
To keep milk from turning sour, you should keep it in the cow.
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Oz Squad
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:09:12 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


  I was just wondering, did Oz Squad #3 ever come out?  Did I miss it or  
is it atrociously late?

Thanks in advance,
Michael J. Winston
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Doom Patrol FF send-up
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:35:50 GMT

In article <355@asylum.UUCP> romkey@asylum.UUCP (John Romkey) writes:
>dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>But Cliff's brain spends most of the issue displaced by a villain's brain.
>
>That was an earlier issue. The Fantastic Four send-up (including the Living
>Guru, that hip hop daddio of the deva dimensions) was a dream of Danny
>The Street.

But in Danny's dream, Cliff's brain has been replaced by some villain's
brain.  David had it right.

--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
"Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport."
     - Lord Melchett, "Blackadder II"
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Double Covers?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:16:49 GMT

mickey@brahms.udel.edu (Ernest McCarter) writes:
> 
> At a convention this last weekend, I happened to purchase Spectacular
> Spider-Man #63.  I read it yesterday and discovered that it had
> a double cover.  My questions on this:
> 
> (1) Am I right in assuming that not all copies of this issue came like
> 	this?

Yes.  Only a few copies ever escape the printer with double covers.
I've been told that it's the last few copies that come off the press
that have this distinction.  But yes.  They are rare.

> (2) Is this one of those things that a rather picky evaluator would
> 	use in judging the value of the comic?  
> 
Depends which evaluator you talked to.  I've heard different things
from different shop owners.  Some think that it does increase the
value, some argue that it happens often enough to not jack up the
price...
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From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Metropolis/Gotham/NYC (was Re: New Titans #89)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:28:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>In article <mumble> silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:

[and this is Jim again:]
>>> Metropolis was originally supposed to represent the good side of New
>>> York City and Gotham was the bad side of the same.  That was of course
>>> long ago; now that we have Metropolis, Gotham, and New York existing
>>> in the same universe they've had to make them all different cities.

>>Actually, New York existed on Earth-1 before the Crisis, if that's what you
>>meant; Supergirl was based there in the early '80's, for example, and the New
>>Titans have always been there.

>I meant long ago as in LONG AGO, back in the early days of DC Comics
>when no one existed in or visited a 'real world' city like New York;
>they'd always go to Metropolis, or Gotham, or Civic City (original
>home of the JSA).

You're right about DC inventing cities to be analogs of real cities, but DC
never intended Gotham to be one aspect of NYC and Metropolis another.  Each
city was an analog of NYC as a whole.  (Actually, there's some evidence that
Metropolis was supposed to be Cleveland at first, and someone once pointed out
Chicago(?) landmarks in the early Gotham.)  The dark NYC/light NYC bit came
from a comment Frank Miller once made about Gotham.

And even in the "early days", some characters lived in real cities.  Wonder
Woman was always based in Washington, DC.  For a while, Batman stories took
place in New York (check the reprints in BATMAN ARCHIVES #1).  Neither Gotham
nor Metropolis was supposed to replace NYC in the fledgling DC Universe.

As I understand it, the purpose of "phoney" city names such as "Metropolis" was
to let the readers imagine the stories taking place in their local big cities.
Later, it became a game.  

-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Booster Gold
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:30:20 GMT

HEY!  Booster's Force Field isn't *like* Brainiac 5's, it *is* Braniac 5's, 
left behind by Querl in 1989 to be eventually put in the Space Museum for 
Booster to steal.
     And let's not forget that Booster is a pro-quality football player 
(Ohioans may note that he got nailed for gambling on his own games, sounds 
kinda like a current news story), and also the descendant of one of the New 
Gods (probably Harbinger), so may be slightly above human norms.
     Dave Van Domelen, working my way into a position of power in the BBC
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Duckburgh
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:51:25 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:

>> * Where are the "real" locations of Metropolis, Gotham City, Hub City,
>> etc., in the DC Universe? 
>
> Never mind that. What I'd like to know is where Duckburgh is supposed to
> be located. 

In Calisota, of course . . .

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Doom Patrol FF send-up
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.163438.29421@terminator.cc.umich.edu> kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
[re: the Elastigirl/Crazy Jane question]
>Not exactly. She had Elastigirl's powers, but it was Jane (or rather, Kate,
>her normal self).

Kay.  Kay Challis.  Her "normal" self is only a child; the Kay personality
went underground in childhood, and rarely surfaced thereafter.  So she
never aged.  This is the personality screaming "Want Harry!" in a recent
issue (I think). 

By the way, Elastigirl's name was Rita Farr (somebody asked about that
elsewhere).

--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
"Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport."
     - Lord Melchett, "Blackadder II"
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