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From: kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long)
Subject: Book Reviews
Keywords: reviews
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:03:31 GMT

Dear Folks,

    In the recently published Nov 1992 issue of _Asimov's
Science Fiction_ Norman Spinrad reviews several humorous
fantasy and science fiction books.  (The column is called
"On Books: These Are the Jokes, Folks.")  He reviews
_Moving Pictures_ and is not very flattering.  Here is
an excerpt:
  
    "Pratchett has made a reputation for himself as perhaps the
  genre's currently most successful comic novelist with a series of
  novels set on the 'Discworld,' a saucer shaped thingy sitting on
  the backs of four gigantic elephants standing on the back of an
  even more immense cosmic turtle sailing or swimming through space.
    Okay, the set-up itself is a one-liner good for a chuckle at
  creation myths, and Pratchett has used it to do a series of
  comic novels sending up wizards, magic, swordsmen, the whole
  fantasy apparatus.  There have been four of them before
  _Moving Pictures_, I have read none of them, they have made
  Terry Pratchett an enviable reputation as a comic writer,
  so I can only assume that they must be conceptually different
  from number five, _Moving Pictures_, which at least to my taste,
  is a textbook example of how to write a bomb."

The review goes on at length and is as much an essay on what may
or may not be "light humor" as anything else.

What struck me reading the review is that I don't think _Moving
Pictures_ or many of the other Pratchett books stand well
alone.  As wild as I am about Pratchett's work, I think it
would be hard to get caught up in it all if you pick _Moving
Pictures_ up first.  I'll admit it isn't my favorite, but
even my current favorite _Reaper Man_ might be somewhat hard
to love if I hadn't been doting on Pratchett these last few
years!

So I'm going to re-read them all and look for all the library
and librarian jokes (and also try to decide if the order in
which they were published is the same as the Disc
chronology.


  In addition, the Sep 92 issude of _Locus_ has a brief
review of _Only You Can Save Mankind_.  The reviewer is
Faren Miller.  Here is an excerpt:  
   "The serious message of the novel shows clearly, but
  it's delightfully packaged, with the typical Pratchett
  combination of wit and level-headed humanity."

  Vital Stats:  Only You Can Save Mankind.  Terry Pratchett.
                Doubleday UK 0-385-40308-9, #9.99, 172pp


Sigh.  Now I have to agonize over whether to order _OYCSM_
*now* or sensibly wait until later when _Lords and Ladies_
is out so as to save on postage.

Katherine Long
kcl@world.std.com

  8-)
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From: hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: box =/= balls
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:35:33 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep4.101147.19667@newstand.syr.edu> htkeays@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Tom Keays) writes:
<Hemingway lived for a time in Spain.  Cajones translates literally as
<"box" but is slang for "balls" (testicles).  The section is in reference
<to machismo (something Hemingway is noted for) and the witches general 
<opinion of it (as in kicks in the cajones).

Interesting. I've also heard that "box" is slang (American) for labia.

-- 
Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
"I still thing it's garbage, but beautifully cooked."   --  TP on TP
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Subject: Re: FAQ (was Re: Wanted some info)
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:48:10 GMT
 .monash.edu.au> <leo.715945664@galaxy><GNAT.92Sep9114313@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand

I wrote:

> If you can't find a copy of the FAQ, reading back in the newsgroup,
> there is always one available for anonymous ftp from
>   pit-manager.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/alt.fan.pratchett/pratchett-faq

Which was wrong :)  It should be
>   pit-manager.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/alt.fan.pratchett/terry-pratchett-faq

In addition to this, I'm changing the address for submissions to the
FAQ.  In future, send comments about the FAQ to
	pratchett-faq@vuw.ac.nz

This will ensure that should I no longer have net access, mail to the
FAQ moderator will still get through.

Nat
(gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz -- Nathan Torkington -- is the electronic text and
 MS-DOS archivist for the Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:58:34 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
 <1992Sep7.150032.27172@samba.oit.unc.edu>

has anyone figured out the source for the song in "eric" which the sailors sing-
"the ball of philodelphus". the words sound incredibly familiar, but i just
 can't figure it out.
---
later,
sunil
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From: graeme@avalon.oe.fau.edu (Graeme Rae)
Subject: Re: Ideas.Terry Don't Read This (but all ideas held within are creative pd 
Keywords: elves elf ideas more ideas and a banana
Reply-To: rae@sol.cse.fau.edu
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:26:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.123852.28976@crc.ac.uk>, gwilliam@crc.ac.uk (Gary Williams x3294) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.051952.3775@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
|> >Humans get everywhere.
|> 
|> [deleted]
|> 
|> >BUT WHERE ARE THE ELVES?
|> 

I saw Elves in a Shopping Mall in Fort Lauderdale last Thursday, he was
working in a fast food joint. He'd shaved off the sideburns, but was
still definitely recognisable as 'The king' himself..... 


|> [deleted]


(Oh come on, it wasnt that bad......)

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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Weatherwax
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:18:14 GMT

Question: 

Were Galder Weatherwax, the chancelor of the University or whatever in
The Light Fantastic, and Granny Weatherwax, related at all?  I think
we should be told!

Mike
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From: gordon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Buxton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Celibacy and Wizards
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:16:23 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.
Originator: gordon@lucrece.robots

In article <1607@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> bgm@ukc.ac.uk (B.G.MacDonald) writes:
>
> This is dealt with in Colour of Magic, where Rincewind is a but cast
> his great spell.  Once it is done he says, that magic is more thrilling than 
> sex and he can understand why the wizards done have sex.
>
>  This indicates that sex is not a must for wizards but they perfer magic to
>  sex.
>
>  P.s. It is at the end of Colour of Magic.  When he is up that dark tower.
>
>   Brian

Err... call me Mr. Picky, but, can I be the first to point out that
this is in fact a scene from The Light Fantastic.  TCOM ends with
Rincewind and Twoflower falling of the edge of the disc.  There are
some rather huge magical effects at the beginning of The Light
Fantastic where the other seven spells in the Octavo club together, as
it were, so that the eighth spell (in Rincewind's head) is not lost.

I remember this 'cos Rincewind falling back into a pine forest leads
up to my all-time favourite Terry Pratchett play-on-words(tm):

"... the voice posessed what could only be described as timbre."


Gordon
[Mr. Picky]

P.S. What are other peoples favourites?
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Weatherwax
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:55:25 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

mcramm@dct.ac.uk writes:
>winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>>leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y) writes:
>> |>mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
>> |> > Question: 
>> |> > 
>> |> > Were Galder Weatherwax, the chancelor of the University or whatever in
>> |> > The Light Fantastic, and Granny Weatherwax, related at all?  I think
>> |> > we should be told!
>> |>
>> |>They were.  They definitely were.  I can't remember in which book it was, but
>...........
>> |>completely wrong?
>> 
>> I think you're thinking of the scene in Reaper Man where a delegation of wizards
>.........
>> The Archchancellor in question is Ridcully, not Galder Weatherwax, and the
>> High Priest in question most definitely is not Granny Weatherwax.
>> 
>> --PSW
>
>I think the other source of confusion here is that, (in Equal Rites I believe)
>it turns out the the esteemed Ms. Esme Weatherwax and the Archchancellor 
>were from the same area of the Disc (neighbouring/same village) and knew each
>other.
> Angus M. Marshall

But, by then (as you no doubt know), Galder Weatherwax was no longer chancellor.
(or, as the later books have it, ArchChancellor).

Given the high magical field prevalent in the Ramtops, and (as a previous
poster pointed out) the high probability of families with eight sons, I
would suspect that there was some relationship.  There is not, however,
any definitive evidence in the books currently available in the USA.
-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:22:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Okay, I've read the FAQ. Every word. Twice.  (_Boy_ do I need a
life!) I still have a question.

So, how come _Eric_ isn't available in the US? I sort of had the
impression I'd find out in the FAQ . . .

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley

obUsefulInformation: Somebody (Not Terry or Neil) has already
published a book called _668: The Neighbor of the Beast_. Saw it in
the bookstore yesterday.
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From: mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox)
Subject: Re: Only You Can Save Mankind <reviewish type spoilers?>
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:06:21 GMT

Ooops, I sit corrected.  Still, I managed to get the first four letters
of his surname correct which is impressive as I read the book some
five years back...


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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: Stupid birds (Small Gods spoilers)
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:41:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <leo.715603744@galaxy>, leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer) writes:
> 
>> > On a point of order, I seem to remember it was rats from the ships which
>> > ate the dodo's eggs. Certainly some small or middling mammal did for
>> > them - definitely not, directly, humans.
>> > 
>> 	Flat out wrong.  
> 
> When somebody on the net makes a statement like "flat out wrong", you can
> usually be sure of one thing: that *he* is the one who's flat out wrong.
> Elmo the Vampire Slayer is no exception.
> 
	Pfbblt :-P

	Checking the ol' Encyclopedia Britannica, we find:

	"Dutch explorers called them walgvo"gels or `nauseous birds' since no
cooking made them palatable."

	So I'm wrong on that part.
	Later, we have:

	"Man and the hogs and other animals he imported effected its
extermination."
	
	Which confirms the aforementioned pig-theory, but also suggests some
volition on the part of the explorers.
	I still think they got eaten; perhaps the eggs were palatable if the
dodos themselves weren't.
-- 
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Think I'll drive and find a place to be surly."--Cracker, "Teen Angst"         
  
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From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Subject: The Hedgehog Song
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:42:19 GMT

Here's a version of the hedgehog song that I made up on a train from
Sheffield to Huddersfield:

There was a great wizzard
Who found in a blizzard
A book of the dead
Which he picked up and read
It told of evil galore
And dead men and more
Though it made his skin crawl
He read to his gall
That the hedgehog can never be buggered at all

Tis said there's a land
Of desert and sand
Where great eagles fly
Like black dots in the sky
As they swoop, wheel and fall
And shriek their high call
Yet still they are caught
And forced to consort
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all

There is in the Ramtops
A beast of renown
It's ugly and mean
Its fame's spread around
The mouth of its lair
Has bones, teeth and hair
Splattered from wall to wall
You'll find with a stroke 
That it's easy to poke
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all

In days long gone by
With the sun in the sky
St George rode forth
Upon a white horse
To fight to the death
With a dragon no less
The dragon was cunning
And wicked and tall
With glittering eyes
It held men in its thrall
But it soon knew fear
With St. George up its rear
While the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

--------

More of a poem, and it could scan better, but blame BR!

Neil Cook.
From: gordon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Buxton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Celibacy and Wizards
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:29:23 GMT
Organization: Robotics Research Group, Engineering Science Dept, Oxford, UK.
Originator: gordon@lucrece.robots

In article <BuKn6I.CAp@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>gordon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Buxton) writes:
>
>>P.S. What are other peoples favourites?
>
>Puns? Or simply Gags? 

I meant any "play on words".  I think that threatening to shoot
someone with a gnu falls very, very well into this category.
There is something just *sooo* Terry Pratchett about these kind of
jokes, and they always make me think "I wish I'd thought of that." -
normally after about 15 minutes rolling around on the floor, and a
further 10 attempting to read past the end of the sentence without
giggling too much.

Anyone else got any?  (Its quite a lot more fun than pointing out
that, for example, there is a small discrepancy in the description of
the patrician's jockstrap in TCOM compared with GUARDS! GUARDS!)

Gordon

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From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
Subject: Re: Ideas.Terry Don't Read This (well, you can now.)
Keywords: followup Appologies tourists' guide to Ankh-Morpork help anyone Thanks 
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:22:20 GMT


Sorry about this, but it seems the only way I can post internationally is to 
followup on some poor, unsuspecting article. <sigh>

Appologies aside, I am working on a tourists' guide to Ankh-Morpork and need as
much help as anyone out there can throw in.

Thanks in advance,
Cath
cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
all the u's that's fit to print :)
From: ngp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Neil Grant Piggot)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Ideas.Terry Don't Read This (but all ideas held within are creative pd
Keywords: elves elf ideas more ideas and a banana
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:03:41 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

In article <1992Sep8.051952.3775@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mblaser@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fox) writes:
(deleted)
>BUT WHERE ARE THE ELVES?
>
>A perfect oppertunity to release some total and utter bar-stewards into the 
>discworld has, so far, been totally passed up.  We know that they are
>somewhere on the disc and we know that they have all the natural dignity
>and poise normally associated with the next homicidal, pointy eared
>psychopath.  And an entire race of them could only lead to some rather
>nasty encounters, especially if they are as intelligent as has been already
>hinted at within the books.
(deleted)
>Mike
>
Doesn't Rincewind mention elves to Twoflower in The Light Fantastic, while
they meet Swires in the Forest of Skund? I seem to remember that he makes
reference to elves removing teeth and fingernails if they get upset?

OK, so it isn't an appearance, but it is at least a mention...

Neil.
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From: ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v2.0
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 03:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.020855.3524@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills) writes:
>  "Monsters are getting more uppity, too," said another.  "I heard
>where this guy, he killed this monster in this lake, no problem,
>stuck its arm up over the door - "
>  "Pour encourjay lays ortras," said one of the listeners.
>
>BTW, what does "Pour encourjay lays ortras" mean?  I know it is meant to be
>'dog-french' but have no idea what it should translate to.

Voltaire, I believe (albeit atrociously spelt, of course). Roughly "To
encourage the others". Voltaire made the remark when the British hung
Admiral Bryng -- one of their own admirals -- as a punishment for losing
a naval battle.

andrew waugh

(ps I don't speak French, and my reference books are at home. If I'm wrong
I'll send a retraction tomorrow!)
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From: dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Metaphor, anyone ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:16:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

A friend of mine is including a definition of _metaphor_ in his 
thesis, and I recall some such in a Discworld book (Pyramids ?).
Before I go re-reading the whole lot, can anyone give me accurate
information where I will find this ?

(I am not suggesting that this definition is the one he will base 
his arguments on :-) ... then again ....

Richard

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From: cmac@castle.ed.ac.uk (Colin MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Metaphor, anyone ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:46:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep8.081611.26816@comp.lancs.ac.uk> dik@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Richard Bentley) writes:
>A friend of mine is including a definition of _metaphor_ in his 
>thesis, and I recall some such in a Discworld book (Pyramids ?).
>Before I go re-reading the whole lot, can anyone give me accurate
>information where I will find this ?

Doesn't Granny Weatherwax refer to "metterfor" at some point?  Possibly
around the same time as "jommetry", but in any case I suspect that it
may have been in "Equal Rites" rather than "Wyrd Sisters" but I could
well be wrong.  If it _is_ in equal rites, I suspect it comes before
Granny and Esk set off for Ankh-Morpork, although not too much before.

Hope this helps!

-- 
Colin MacDonald, Dept. of Clinical Neurosciences, University of Edinburgh
.........  cmac @ castle.ed.ac.uk
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Celibacy and Wizards
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:12:35 GMT
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association


 Favorite line:
 from _Pyramids_

 In refernce to the Plague of Frog:
 "It was quite a big frog, however, and got into the air ducts and kept
everyone awake for weeks."

I think what was funniest was that when i first read it, it was in
an excerpt from Pyramids in a magazine called _GM_ that did a special
on Terry Pratchett: They reprinited the whole assassin-final-exam
thing, without the Djelibeybi flashbacks, so I had no idea what
this obscure frog footnote was referring to until I got the book
some weeks later.

 That was an interesting _GM_ issue; had a map of Ankh-Morpork and
suggestions for running a Discworld based role-playing game.
A bit innacurate at some places (Terry corrected these in his enclosed
statement in the magazine) and, while a bold attempt at humor, nowhere
close to the master himself.

-Otter
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From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Re: Signings                                
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:31:45 GMT

In article <memo.621871@cix.compulink.co.uk> tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>I also seem to be doing a singing at W H Smiths in Brussels on October 17.
>I'm not sure why.
>
>Terry

I didn't know Terry sings.  Gee, you learn something new every day, don't you?
BTW, is there ever any hope of a vacation/signing on this side of the lake?
PLEASE?

						Steve
						kyraan@bach.udel.edu

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From: ins769v@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Veltyen)
Subject: Re: Malleus Maleficarum [was Re: Latin]
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:55:35 GMT

Richard Vowles (richard@nacjack.gen.nz) wrote:
: 
: |>>The last one is the "Malleus Maleficarum". Can anyone translate that?
: 
: Malleus Maleficarum was a book written in the late 15th century by
: Heinrich Kramer and Joseph Sprenger, one was a Dominican Inquisitor
: and the other, the Mayor of Colonge [Spelling?, big sorta place in
: Germany].

Just being (probably wrongly) picky, but isn't cologne in France?


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