HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: corrupted active and history files (on SunOS 4.1)
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
	<Bvz5DJ.4nG@access.digex.com> <Bw2GDC.2Gs@newsflash.concordia.ca>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:14:28 GMT

To clarify, our fast stdio code is not compatible with SunOS 4.1's stdio,
and should therefore not be used on SunOS 4.1.  stdiock was not paranoid
enough to catch this latest incompatibility; sorry.  The next release
will incorporate a stdiock that catches at least this incompatibility.

More generally, it may be that the fast stdio code has outlived its
usefulness.  I wrote it in 1985 to cope with the slow stdio code shipped
with non-System-V UNIXes (notably V7 and 4BSD).  It may be that by now
the major vendors are shipping stdio code that is close enough in speed
to our code that our stdio code is no longer worth dealing with, given
worries about incompatiblities with native stdio implementations.  (Our
fgets is still believed to be the fastest known, but others come close.)
-- 
Geoff Collyer				world!geoff, world.std.com!geoff

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From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: C news' nntpxmit keeps causing a reboot of
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:16:21 GMT
Reply-To: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Well, after MUCH searching, I figured out the problem was caused by a link that
was pointing to no where. Once I made it point to where it SHOULD be pointing, 
the system quit rebooting....


Thanks for the suggestions!
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From: mahesh@amnese.eng.uab.edu (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: My errlog file is a data file!!
Originator: mahesh@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:47:56 GMT

Hi,

I have installed NNTP 1.5.11 and cnews on our Solbournes. Once in a
while our news feed lands up in /var/spool/news/in.coming/bad. When
I tried to read errlog file I found that it was a data file instead
of an ascii file.

widget(48)% file errlog
errlog:       data

The new batch which lands up in the 'bad' directory disappears
after a week. I don't know if it is actually unpacked or if it has
been deleted by the system.

We get our news feed from UUNET.

Please respond by email only as I don't have access to this group
directly.

Here are some mails the news account received......
Thanks

Mahesh
mahesh@evb.com
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 08:18:33 EDT
From: news (USENET News Account)
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Apparently-To: <news>
Status: OR

errlog.o
---------
relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing: udQdQdQ3 relaynews: unbatcher out of synch,
 tossing: a
relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing: aes: : : :relaynews: unbatcher out of syn
ch, tossing:
relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing:
relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing:
relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing: ###6@u6@u6relaynews: unbatcher out of synch
, tossing: relaynews: unbatcher out of synch, tossing: 9

--------------Rest of the mail deleted, it had lot of special characters -------------

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From news Mon Oct  5 08:18:31 1992
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Received: from evb.com (widget) by gadget.evb.com (4.1/SMI-4.1)
        id AA03668; Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:18:31 EDT
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 08:18:31 EDT
From: news (USENET News Account)
Message-Id: <9210051218.AA03668@gadget.evb.com>
Apparently-To: <news>
Status: OR

recent bad input batches (perhaps worth investigation):
-rw-rw-r--  1 news      2133064 Oct  4 06:10 bad/554874360.Z.t


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From news Tue Oct  6 08:18:33 1992
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Status: OR

leading five sites sending news with bad headers:
   1 widget


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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin,news.admin.policy
From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli)
Subject: error writing `/usr/lib/news/history'
Organization: Little to None
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:33:31 GMT

I have been running a (now almost ancient) version of C-news for several
years.  The reason I haven't bothered to upgrade is that everything just
keeps working.  Recently, I had something strange happen -- for the second
time since I have been running the package:  relaynews failed with the
message:

relaynews: error writing `/usr/lib/news/history', probably the disk filled (Not a typewriter)

Rerunning the "bad" batch worked just fine.  I don't think I ran out of disk
space, and the errno doesn't make sense for a disk file.  Considering this
occurs about once a year, I can certainly live with it.  I'm just curious
if anyone else has seen this one.  BTW, the system is a 3B1 running a sysVr2
Unix.
-- 
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614-864-9377  HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh  There are so many to choose from.
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: inews in C - shell/awk scripts are unreliable!
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
	<1992Oct12.222725.6167@robohack.UUCP> <Bw25J6.JHn@world.std.com>
	<9978@kralizec.zeta.org.au> <Bw8IEt.IC6@zoo.toronto.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:49:33 GMT

Henry Spencer:
>>If the message does not contain a ':' in its first line, the Awk script
>>falls through to the reporting (or message body) clause, and then
>>cheerfully bombs out with the message "awk: hdrval: not an array"...
>
>This is a bug, pure and simple, like the equally-obscure reporting of
>errors that is often found in C programs.  I've actually been harassing
>Geoff about fixing this one for some time...

... and it's been fixed for some time.  Save your harassing for real
bugs.
-- 
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From: zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: corrupted active and history files (on SunOS 4.1)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: fasttech.1992Oct16.175600.11532
Organization: Fast Technology

In <1992Oct15.225926.2201@blilly.UUCP> bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly) writes:

>I wish the documentation (as of a couple of years ago when I
>last installed a patch; perhaps the latest documentation
>differs) clearly stated that one shouldn't bother with the
>``fast stdio'' code if installing C news on a System V OS. Such
>a statement would have saved at least a few people a
>considerable amount of time and trouble.

Well, I guess you were just too busy to read a recent Cnews installation script
before complaining about it on the net. Henry and Geoff might be too polite to
point out that your lament is out of line, but I'm not. Here is what build asked
me when I installed Cnews dated 22-Dec-1991.

I had no problem arriving at a definite "NO" answer to the question, without
any time or trouble:

> echo 'Many systems, notably older ones, have implementations of the Standard'
> echo 'I/O library ("stdio") in which fgets, fputs, fread, and fwrite are'
> echo 'quite slow.  We supply versions of these functions which are faster'
> echo 'than those in any stdio we know; they are compatible with most old'
> echo 'AT&T-derived stdios.  (They tend not to work on modern System V,'
> echo 'but the modern System V stdio is respectably fast.)  They can be a'
> echo 'major performance win for C News.  There is a fairly thorough'
> echo 'compatibility check run after the library is built; as far as we'
> echo 'know, if the test works, the functions do (even on SunOS 4.0).'
> faststdio=`yesno 'Do you want to use our fast stdio library' ${faststdio-yes}`

To adapt one of Henry's recent .sigs:

	Post complaints about Cnews, but post NEW ones.
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin,news.sysadmin
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: INN Version 1.2 Problem...
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:50:32 GMT

In <1avoerINN7b@roche.csl.sri.com> hogan@csl.sri.com (Emmett Hogan) writes:

| Oct  7 00:59:43 roche innd: ME cant dbzsync Interrupted system call

| I imagine it has something to do with the history file, but I cannot
| seem to find any reference to this error in the docs.

This is in Install.ms ...

 SunOS4.1.1 has a bug where \fIwrite\fP(2) can return EINTR.
 The most common symptom is the following fatal error message from \fIinnd\fP:
 .DS
 Can't sync history, interrupted system call
 .DE
 This is Sun bug 1052649.
 It is fixed in patch 100293-01.
 According to the release manual, it is also fixed in all releases of SunOS
 since 4.1.2.

True, the actual error message changed in a general message cleanup
and standardisation, and the docs don't seem to have been updated
to show the new form - but I think its easy enough to relate the
two together...

kre
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: $USER unknown (addgroup in cnews)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:27:04 GMT

I often use ..maint/addgroup to add newsgroups.  I do it as user news,
but the message that is mailed to $NEWSMASTER by addgroup makes the
$USER "unknown".  How can I fix this to reflect accurately user news?
Does addgroup pick up the value of $USER from ../inject/anne.jones,
and if so, why isn't it set to news?

Cnews patchdate is 15-Dec-1990, OS is ISC 3.0.

Thanks...
--Rob
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: $USER unknown (addgroup in cnews)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:11:28 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Oct11.172704.22710@xyzoom.info.com> rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>I often use ..maint/addgroup to add newsgroups.  I do it as user news,
>but the message that is mailed to $NEWSMASTER by addgroup makes the
>$USER "unknown".  How can I fix this to reflect accurately user news?

In some machine-specific way, most likely.  There is no simple and
portable way of determining the user's name, so addgroup doesn't try
too hard.

>Does addgroup pick up the value of $USER from ../inject/anne.jones...

No, the two are completely unrelated.  Addgroup doesn't invoke anne.jones,
anne.jones doesn't invoke addgroup.  Where did you get the idea that there
was a connection?
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              -Hal W. Hardenbergh (1985)|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: no more ``nonconforming news Message-IDs of last week''
Keywords: C-News Performance Xenix
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:18:05 GMT
	<bj}=^0#9@twinsun.com> <1asbftINNm7r@rodan.UU.NET>
	<1992Oct06.210604.11856@uum1.mn.org>
Organization: Automated Retail Systems, Seattle, Wa

In <1992Oct06.210604.11856@uum1.mn.org>
	clayh@uum1.mn.org (Clayton Haapala) writes:

>That reminds me -- when I brought up C-News Performance Release under SCO
>XENIX 386, all works find (and fast!) except that the message id fields
>are hosed in the following manner:  as the article sits in
>/usr/spool/news/in.coming, the Message-ID field read "MessageID" (no dash),
>and relaynews then throws it away as bogus when it runs.


look in stripinvis and make the following change:

# WAS DBK exec tr -d '\1-\7\13\15-\37'			# v7
exec tr -d '[\1-\7]\13[\15-\37]'			# v7

Fixed it for me.
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From: rob@violet.berkeley.edu (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: INN and machine resources (WAS bfrclose couldn't find an open descriptor to close)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:03:51
Organization: /home/math_a/cc/rob/.organization
	<BvnnEp.BM6@zoo.toronto.edu> <Bvvs5s.I1w@newsflash.concordia.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hanalei.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: anne@maxwell.concordia.ca's message of Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:01:00 GMT

In article <Bvvs5s.I1w@newsflash.concordia.ca> anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett) writes:

   I'd appreciate if Rich or Henry would expand on the sentence "if machine
   resources are not that big a concern..."; which resources are we talking
   about, and how much more of them do we need, to run INN as opposed to
   Cnews+nntp?

memory.  inn keeps the history.pag file plus a bunch o info in core.

other than that, INN uses a bunch less resources than C news, from CPU
to disk bandwidth.

honest

rob

--
			  william robertson
		       rob@violet.berkeley.edu

     "when i was your age, i walked 10 miles to school, unarmed."
From: richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Overflow in /usr/spool/news/in.coming
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:54:31 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

According to Murphy's Law, if a newsfeed is going to go down over a
weekend, the odds of it doing so early on the Saturday of a 3-day
weekend approach 100%.  ;-)

During the Columbus Day weekend, our C-news based newsfeed suffered
the following scenario:

	- The filesystem containing /usr/lib/news got too full, which
	- Caused 'doexpire' to fail for a few days in a row, which
	- Caused /usr/spool/news to fill up, which
	- Caused three days' worth of news to be dropped

When I tried to bring things back up, I ran expire while the newsfeed
was coming in at full throttle on our RS/6000.  During this process,
the /usr/spool/news/in.coming directory got about 35,000 postings
behind.

After repeated attempts to get the newsrun script to go through, I
finally concluded that this script will not work *at all* on an RS/6000
whose in.coming directory contains that many files.  Scrapping that
directory was the only way to get things restarted.

Is this a known problem?  Is there any cure, in case the feed gets
behind again?  And is it limited to the RS/6000?

-rich
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Subject: Re: bfrclose couldn't find an open descriptor to close
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:53:06 GMT

In article <BvID4K.6LH@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>                                     Make sure that this script is
>running as your news userid, since newsrun needs to run as news.
>-- 
>Geoff Collyer				world!geoff, world.std.com!geoff
>``closed is Open'' - not George Orwell on ``Open'' Systems
>open, a. admitting visitors or customers; not yet settled or decided (OPD)
>``and it's Open For Business like a cheap bordello'' - Bruce Cockburn

newsrun has to run as news?  nntpd runs it as usenet.  This must be the
problem.  I will try rebuilding nntpd to use 'news' instead of it's
default 'usenet'.

Chad Adams
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From: sob@TMC.EDU (Stan Barber)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: bfrclose couldn't find an open descriptor to close
Date: 7 Oct 1992 06:09:09 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: tmc.edu

In article <BvnrAF.L79@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>That's not surprising; the NNTP reference implementation is terribly
>inefficient.  We're going to do something about this.  Please don't call
>the combination of C News and the NNTP reference implementation
>``standard''; it's an historical accident that will be fixed.

Geoff, this could have been addressed long ago, but you were mute to my
requests for assistance. Therefore, you have noone but yourself to blame for
this problem. 

There was nothing accidental about NNTP being grafted on Cnews. This is what
people wanted done. Again, you could have helped make that happen in a manner
that was not objectional to you, but you didn't so it happened anyway. It is
not pretty, but it works well enough that people do use it.

I'd just as soon pass the baton. I have plenty of things to do that don't
involve NNTP. It appears that you (and perhaps Rich) are able to make some
living off of doing this. I don't make a cent. I do it because someone needs
to do it. If you (and/or Rich) want to take over, fine. I will pass the baton.

Let me know.




-- 
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Olan           uucp: rutgers!bcm!sob             and Systems Support
Barber         Opinions expressed are only mine. Baylor College of Medicine
From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Poting multiple newsarticle
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:55:52 GMT
Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department

In <1992Oct9.095309@ulci20.unil.ch> dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ) writes:

>I've used a utility to convert existing articles from VAXNOTES to news. This
>utility creates a file with the following format :

>[newsbatch format]

How about feeding it to rnews or newsspool?
-- 
				Christoph Badura  ---  bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org

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					IBM Rep at GUUG Symposium '92
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From: hogan@csl.sri.com (Emmett Hogan)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin,news.sysadmin
Subject: INN Version 1.2 Problem...
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:34:11
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mothra.csl.sri.com


Hi all,

  I am having a problem with INN version 1.2.  Namely my innd will
periodically stop running, apparently due to the following error:

Oct  7 00:59:43 roche innd: ME cant dbzsync Interrupted system call

Roche is a Sun 3/470 with :
	32Mbytes of memory
	83Mbytes of swap
	SunOS 4.1.1
	632Mbyte News Partition (with is only 37% full)

I imagine it has something to do with the history file, but I cannot
seem to find any reference to this error in the docs.  Does anyone
have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Emmett

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From: anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett)
Subject:  corrupted active and history files
Reply-To: anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett)
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:29:35 GMT

"Mike" is mikenews@access.digex.com (Mike Doughney) in <Bvz5DJ.4nG@access.digex.com>
"Henry" is henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) in <BvxG1J.Coy@zoo.toronto.edu>
"Anne" is anne@maxwell.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett) in <BvwwHF.GDw@newsflash.concordia.ca> 

Anne>...Since then it has once trashed its
Anne>active file by apparently replacing about 400 lines in the
Anne>middle of it  (the active file) with text from a few articles,
Anne>and once trashed its history file the same way.

Henry>I haven't heard of anyone else having problems like *that*...

Mike> This is exactly the problem I've been having since installing the new
Mike> release on our server.  I'm running SunOS 4.1.1 on a Sun 3/160.  

Now I *know* I'm not crazy.  And on a very different system, too.  Mike,
when you say "installing the new release", do you mean the May 92
performance release of Cnews?  And were you running some other version of
Cnews before?

Mike> All
Mike> the compatibility tests for the stdio library passed during the build.

Same was true for me.

Mike> The active file has been trashed once, and I've had to rebuild the
Mike> history file every other day for the past week or so.

Henry>If I had problems like that on a new system, my instantaneous gut reaction
Henry>would be to rebuild without the stdio-speedup code, on the grounds that a
Henry>subtle malfunction there could conceivably do this.  (Note that you'll have
Henry>to do a "make gclean" -- or at least "rm libcnews.a" -- first, because an
Henry>ordinary build won't take the stdio stuff *out* of libcnews.a if it's
Henry>already in there.)

Mike> I have recompiled and reinstalled the system without the stdio
Mike> library, but I don't remember if I did a "gclean" or a "clean" first.
Mike> I will be deleting libcnews.a and remaking as we are still having
Mike> problems with the history file getting what looks like a whole batch
Mike> dropped into the middle of it. 

I guess I'll have to try that, too.  Sigh.

-- 
Ms. Anne Bennett          anne@maxwell.concordia.ca           (514) 848-7606
Computing Services C-1012, Concordia University, Montreal QC, Canada H3G 1M8
(Administrator for Concordia University mail relay, news transfer, and DNS) 
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: ravi@csi.com (Ravi Bhaskaran)
Subject: C-News incorrect entry in active file.
Organization: Comdisco Systems Inc., Foster City, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:18:02 GMT


Hello C-NEWS users,
		Every once in a while an incorrect entry creeps
into our active file. It looke like:

 0000000000 0000000001 y

And programs like expire start complaining as shown below:

expire problems:
expire: wrong number of fields in active for `0000000000'

Is there a patch for this ? 

Thank you.

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: lwk@engin.umich.edu (Lewis W Kellum)
Subject: Re: rrn problem (GROUP command)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:19:51 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BvqFMs.F9z@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>In article <iu12Hbr0#9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>|In article <1992Oct6.213126.4249@phri.nyu.edu> roy@nova.med.nyu.edu writes:
>|>Finding new newsgroups:
>|>
>|>Server response to GROUP :
>|>501 Usage: GROUP newsgroup.
>|>$
>|
>|	I got this too.  Some butthead created a null newsgroup.
>|(With "Control: newgroup" and no newsgroup name).  Fix your active file.
>
>It occurs to me that news software that will create a newsgroup with no name
>is probably broken.  Fix your newgroup command.
>
>  Bill
I'd like to know how. This just happened for the 2nd time here. Any suggestions?
The active.times file listed the blank newgroup as coming  from 
california (caltech?  I was in a hurry, and deleted the line before thinking to save it)
This is a real neat way to kill a newsystem.  - Woody


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