Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:16:18 CST
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel
              13 Nov 1992 13:11:09 -0500 from <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:11:09 -0500 Eric James Ewanco said:

>Excerpts from christia: 13-Nov-92 Re: The Gospel Jesse Carnes@LSUVM.BITNE (776)
>
>> Dear Memo ;
>
>> What you were saying sounds good, ostensibly ... but, it is not the
>> OFFICIAL teaching of Rome. The Gospel of the Roman Catholic church is
>> one of "Jesus PLUS ... works -- either personal or ecclesiastical sorts."
>
>> Half of my church used to be Catholic, and they can tell you, especially
>> the pastor that what Rome OFFICIALLY teaches and what you oft hear in
>> your perish church are diferent ... and for GOOD reason.
>
>Ah, the truth comes out.  You get your information from embittered,
>virulent anti-Catholic former Catholics who have been duped by
>anti-Catholics before them, like Lorraine Boettner, Jack Chick, Tony
>Alamo, Jimmy Swaggart, and others.
>
 Ah, the truth comes out. Anyone who could possibly dare to leave Rome has
 to be "duped" by somebody else. It's unthinkable that God would liberate
 anyone from the bondage of Rome into the liberty in Christ. And of course
 ignore the possibility that any of the above individuals might actually
 have the truth.

>> Read OFFICIAL publications by the Jesuits, who are the "Praetorian
>> Guard" of the Catholic church.  These hard ball publications spell
>> things a bit
>> differently ... and read "De Fide" by Ott for more OFFICIAL doctrine.
>
>The Jesuits are a corrupt order and have wholly abandoned orthodox
>Catholicism.  They are in deep doo-doo with the Vatican and the Pope on
>a number of occasions has considered disbanding them.  Read Malachi
>Martin's _The Jesuits_.  They have wholly abandoned true Catholic
>teaching for New Age and Marxist doctrines, and I would not trust
>anything they said in modern times.  They have abandoned their
>committment to defending the Pope and have turned to Marxist
>revolutionary teachings.
>
>Nevertheless, the Jesuits do _not_ speak officially for the church.

 Ah, the truth continues to come out. Any Jesuit material from the past is
 automatically null and void because these new kids on the block are going
 to the left. Forget all the old Jesuit material with the imprimaturs and
 nihil obstats. They are no longer true.

>
>Ludwig Ott's book is not called "De Fide."  It's called "Fundamentals of
>Catholic Dogma," and I have read a good portion of it.  If you will
>notice, it defends dogmas with Scripture.  "De Fide" refers to those
>paragraphs so marked that indicate that the given article is an article
>of faith that must be held by all Catholics.  I can understand, if you
>have read it, how you might come away with a bad taste in your mouth,
>but I have carefully resolved with Scripture all of the objections to
>> Catholic teaching that arose in my mind when I first read it.
>
 Ah, the saga of truth continues. De Fide doctrines give protestants a bad
 taste in their mouths because they interpret them with protestant eyes.

>> Compare also, the Council of Trent's canons with your local perish
>> church's normal Sunday homily fare or catachism.
>
>A normal Sunday homily fare unfortunately rarely emphasizes the
>doctrines of grace that the Council of Trent does and that the Catholic
>Church teaches.  It's sad that most Catholics are taught a much more
>negative view of their faith that is true.
>
>Why don't you read Alan Schreck's _A Catholic Catechism_ or _Catholic
>and Christian_? Both have imprimaturs and nihil obstats, although
>neither are rigorous theological texts.
>
>Eric
 Would it really matter if we looked at these books? After all, we don't have
 the correct Catholic presuppositions to interpret them. And if they're not
 "rigorous theological texts," then what can they possibly say about
 Catholic doctrine?

 Tom Brewer
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"The greatest and most ancient Church known to God's people, founded and
 organized by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit at Jerusalem and spread to the
 hearts of believers everywhere, that Church which has the Word of God and
 faith which comes down to the elect after having been announced to men by
 the Prophets and Apostles. For with this Church, because of her divine
 origin, all men must agree ... and it is in her that the elect everywhere
 have maintained the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
    ---St. Thomas, Against Catholicism, c. 1992 A.D.
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