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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:38:09 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voicing
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Zahir:

I am sure that there may exist a difference between cultures with
regards to debatin styles... and sometiems, I myself find it
invigorating to get into a heated argument (smile)...but I think also
that if we are in the middle of one, that we should try to keep some
avenue or degree of openness when confronted with the other's
view..otherwise, it appears to be a "fight to the kill" and for some
poeple, it may discourage them from voicing their opinions...
I understand what you are saying. I guess I wonder why we have to be as
strong as we are sometimes on this list, when we could probably voice
our opinions a bit softer and without knocking others views, and have a
nicer day altogether...

/Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:53:30 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Dilshad,

Crime in Saudi Arabia is less because its not easy to commit a crime (guns
are not easily available) and because it is more difficult to get away
with it (women do not live alone and neither do the elderly)..

zahir
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:37:59 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: corperationphobia

Phil,

I don't get the joke about the Amway distributorship...don't know much about
Amway......

I am also not a democrat or an independent or a republican....most of them
are playing a game....

I also see no problem with a manager making a $100,000 to a workers $20,000.
I do see a problem with a manager making $3,000,000.00 to a workers $20,000
and then when the manager screws up, the worker and his taxes pay to bail out
the company!!!!

The difference between the pay of the lowest paid worker and the top management
executive is BY FAR the biggest in the U.S.....Germany and Japan are way behind.

All corporations and PACS win and its only a matter of degree as to which
industries prosper more under which president....

Did you hear that we just sold a huge contract...McDonnel Douglas....and
Italy is buying a few dozen Harier jets from us...  I wonder who they need
protection from and whether its a because we helped elect that Gov't....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:15:51 -0500
From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

Emmy,

I asked a friend here at work and this is what he told me:

    In Hindi <India's official language>: JANAMDHIN MUBARAK
    In Tamil <i speak at home>: PIRANTHA NAAL VAZTHUKKAL

    <there is no real easy equivalent to "Happy Birthday" in Indian
    vernacular.  Both statements mean "Good wishes on your birthday".
    I guess its more to do with cultural orientation.>



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Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:40:56 MST
From:         AGRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
              1 Sep 1992 16:23:12 EDT from <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

Italian:    "BUON COMPLEANNO"
Nepali:     "SHUBHA JANMOTSHAV"
Hindi:      "JANAMDEEN MUBARAQ"

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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:41:10 -0400
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Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

IN URDU :"Salgira Mubarak"

Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:32:00 GMT-0200
From:         EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP <CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Zahir:

I do agree that you have some sort of "corporate socialism"
in the US. THAT is part of the problem in the US today.

If one did not get wealthy illegally or imorally, I can't see
how one can be labelled "obscenely" rich. What I find obscene
is for some to demand, and to receive, that which they have
not earned.

Whenever Chrysler stockholders conclude that Iacocca is receiving
more than he deserves, they can lower his sallary of even fire
him. If you don't want him to receive what he is receiving, doN't
buy Chrysler cars and persuade other to do the same.

Eduardo
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:47:06 +0200
From:         Mourad Elloumi <mourad@GRTC.CNRS-MRS.FR>
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
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And in Arabic : "Aiid milad saiid"

                  Mourad ELLOUMI.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:48:25 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTER-RACIAL DATING
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WHo is WYNN004@tsu who just responded on Interracial Dating? You didn't
leave a name? (smile)

/emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:12:21 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
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Thank you Gerry/Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:49:35 -0700
From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: National Health Care.
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No, Zahir.  You missed the point.  Phil's comment about gov'ts not
doing away with things they have started (ie, national health
schemes) was that that's the way of ALL governments.

Janet
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:02:57 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Phil,

You can strengthen the weak by weakening the strong....ESPECIALLY WHEN
THE STRONG ARE SITTING ON THE WEAK!

You CAN strengthen the wage earner by making sure the wage payer is not
paying himself 3 or 4 million dollars while his company is laying off
people being paid $20,000 a year....

You can strengthen the poor by making the rich less rich and spreading
that money around......

and in the U.S., you can make the average person strong by giving him back
the government....by limiting campaigns to 60 days or less (as in most true
democracies) and by banning paid advertisements and TV appearances and
funding limits on campaigns....so the RICH do not have a government for them
only!!!!

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:19:59 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Dilshad,

In many states in the U.S.,...for example Florida has capital punishment
......the crime rate and the murder rate is no different than in other
states where there is no capital punishment.....

In other crimes too, Florida and Texas and some other states send you to
prison for longer terms than other states....but it makes no difference in
the rate of those crimes too....

While the actual electrocution or gassing to death is not shown on TV, attempts
to study the deterrent effect has been done over and over in the U.S....
Extensive coverage of trials and people taken to prison and announcements of
the date of executions and descriptions of the ghastly death has been
written over and over in some states while in others its done more quietly...
Still, no difference in rates....

Criminals tend to evaluate the committing of crime by their chances of
getting away with it.....  Unfortunately, very few get caught and
convicted......  I don't think someone says...well, spending the rest of
life in jail with beatings and homosexual attacks on me is preferable or
alright and since they will not kill me, I will go and commit a crime!!!
.......Its usually, the thought that they will not get caught...that
decides it, I think...

zahir
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:45:51 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: corperationphobia

Phil,

I don't know that we can agree onanything at all.  I do think there IS
something wrong when a top executive makes a 180 times more than the
average worker and I do think a salary of several million dollars, be it
$4,000,000.00 for dunking a basketball or making a movie or heading a
corporation is obscene.....

I think it shows a sick society when there are so many homeless and in
soup lines or unemployed.....while others are paid in the millions...

I also find it ridiculous when these guys, Iaccocca or anyone else, shows
up on TV opposing environmental regulations or increased health care or
other bills as costing too much to their firm....(their pay does not?)

They are being paid for putting money in their stockholders
accounts....the stockholders interests and the country's interest are
NOT the same... If they can increase their salaries by making more profits
using low paid workers in Mexico or spewing Pollutants in Mexico, so be it.

AS FOR POLITICS AND DEMOCRACY....ITS OBVIOUS FROM NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT
HE WHO RAISES MORE MONEY WINS...AND THE INCUMBENT ALMOST ALWAYS RAISES
MORE MONEY....  the definition of democracy does not mention money, does
it?  To have a true democracy, money as a factor has to be taken out.
Limit campaigns to 6 to 8 weeks, limit campaign funding and spending,
no TV ads and only a few debates....then maybe we will begin to see
a democracy in America again..
Zahir
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:48:15 EST
From:         Deborah Economidis <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      National Health Care

 Patrick,

 I would humbly submit that your little survey was very limited.  You didn't
 talk to the people that national health care would help the most.  When I
 lived in Scotland, I stayed with people who lived on the dole (welfare).
 Without national health care they and many others would not be able to get
 the health care that they needed.  I was able to make use of the national
 health care system while I was there and I must say that I was impressed.
 There are certainly problems with the system but at least everyone can
 get basic health care.  There was recently a report on the Italian national
 health program and there again the people acknowledged that while there
 were certainly problems they wouldn't want to change to another system.

 Some benefits that I saw:  free doctor visits, inexpensive prescriptions,
 FREE BIRTH CONTOL PILLS (in the US there are very few if any insurance
 policies that will cover birth control).  I currently have no health
 insurance.  I cannot afford it.  Even though I have recently married, my
 husband is currently seeking employment having just left school and so
 far has only had interviews for part-time jobs (the companies don't have
 to pay benefits this way).  So what would you say to us?  Tough luck?  We
 both are hard workers (I work 20 hours/week in addition to 15 credit hours
 per semester).  We aren't a minority either, there are lots of people like
 us.  No doubt there will be many problems in implementing a national
 health care system in this country but I definitely believe that it is a
 step in the right direction.

 Deborah
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Subject: RE: F-16's to Taiwan
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:19:19 GMT
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hello...

I guess president Bush is doing this for getting vote....Because U.S. was
to give Pakistan 150 F-16's and when Pakistan gave all the payment for the
planes they froze the deal....

It seems they will also do the same with Tiawan once they give all the money..
and Bush has won election......no more F-16 to Taiwan.....

Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:23:19 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Death Penalty
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thanks gerry for replying to my "swag off" question. A friend of mine
saw it used as "swag off" in a British Vanity Fair.  /ME
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:22:58 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty
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Death Penalty in Public? Gross me out the door. ( excuse my Brooklynese
:-) ).

Homeless people are hard enough to look at, I don't think we need to
see   people
being killed before us, especially in New York..,

Not to say it wouldn't have some effect on the crime rate, but how
gross..

Sorry Dilshad.., I can't watch violent movies either,

/Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:42:01 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Medical

Phil,

A miracle...I like the medical article you put up.  Excellent!

I am not entirely sold on the idea of Doctors not making sufficient
money or not being responsible for the rising costs of health....

Recent information coming out shows doctors investing in Medical
Clinics and testing laboratories...a clear conflict of interest...They
order all sorts of tests and refer the patient to the labs where they have
investments.....They get paid directly and they get paid again for the
tests done at their labs.

Have you also heard about the costs of aspirin or even a swab that is
included in a patients bill at a hospital...  Again corporations
owning hospitals and doctors in the hospital being paid a salary as well
as sharing in the profits of the hospitals....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:04:45 CST
From:         MKPHL@UMSVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
              1 Sep 1992 15:20:00 PDT from <Thomas_Guenther@3MAIL.3COM.COM>

      Translation of Happy Birthday:


In Dutch:    Gelukkige Verjaardag!
   (= same as Flemish)



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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:14:13 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA
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Nice to meet you. And nice to hear from you...

Well, it may be unpopular among some but there are plenty of silent
people who may agree but remain silent.

I hope we hear from you again.

/Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:34:00 PDT
From:         "Sam Edelman, Ph.D." <SEDELMAN@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject: RE:
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Zahir,
Put your biases away for a moment.  You say Israel can not make peace with the
Arabs...then what are these people doing today sitting in Washington? Knitting
baby booties?

Even under the right wing Likud government Israel pushed to sit down face to
face with the Arabs and negotiate.  Now with a Labour government in control and
a mandate from the voters Labour is pursuing peace negotiations rapidly.  As to
Jewish money and lobbying yes they have an impact only because the Jewish
community votes in higher percentages than other ethnic communities in the US.
It is not money but votes that count.  AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs
Committee) for example gives no money at all to candidates only information.
You also neglect to say that the largest funder of candidates in the US after
the Japanese is a consortium of Arab groups.  There monitary contribution to
candidates is far larger than the Jewish contribution.

You need to rethink some of your assumptions.  World events make your ideas as
antiquated as the Berlin wall and the Soviet military you refer to in your
message.
Prof. Sam Edelman
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:38:13 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE:

I agree with you are right Zahir they both are pro Israel the only
difference is that one is open the other is doing it underground...
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From:         John Hagan <AS0JFH@BINGVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Complex number errors

Hello,

I am trying to help a researcher here who is getting erroneous results
from his VS FORTRAN program when he uses the 2.5 compiler.  When the
program is run using the 2.2 compiler with the VECTOR option and the
2.5 libraries, it runs ok (we don't have the 2.2 libs anymore).  It
also runs ok using the 2.3 compiler with the VECTOR option and the 2.3
libraries.  Furthermore, it runs ok with the 2.5 compiler and the
2.5 libraries if I DONT use the VECTOR option.  If I use the VECTOR
option with the 2.5 compiler and libraries, I get output in which an
array of complex numbers has imaginary parts that all have the same
value!  All of the above tests were run using the AUTODBL(DBLPAD) option.

I don't believe that we have the 2.4 compiler and or libraries anymore
so I can't test it with that release of VS FORTRAN.  Also, we are
running the job in VM BATCH under VM/ESA Release 1.1.

Does anyone know of any problems with the 2.5 compiler using the VECTOR
option that might produce bad results when operating with complex numbers?
Thanks for any and all help.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                      John F. Hagan       AS0JFH@BINGVMB
                                      SUNY Binghamton
                                      Computer Center
                                      Research Support
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:57:25 -0400
From:         Doug Bell
              <uunet.UU.NET!voder!nsc!berlioz.nsc.com!dougbell@APLCEN.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Complex number errors (John Hagan)
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Hi,
There've been numerous type COMPLEX apars with 2.5.
Urge getting current put tape.
Regards, Doug
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:35:48 EDT
From:         "Leigh, Anne" <ANNE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      ESSL

I am using Release 4 of ESSL, and I am trying to run example (2) for
DSDCG listed on page 567 of the ESSL manual, Vol 2.
Even when I increase the number of iterations to 10000, I stll get error
2110 which means exceeded number of allowed iterations without convergence.
Has anyone else had this trouble?

      PROGRAM ESSLT
C*********************************************************************
C
C          TO TEST SPARSE POSITIVE DEFINITE SYMMETRIC MATRIX
C
C               (1) ITERATIVE SOLVER
C               (2) COMPRESSED DIAGONAL STORAGE MODE
C
C*********************************************************************
      IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z)
      DIMENSION   AD(9,2), LA(2),B(9),U(9),IPARM(4),RPARM(3),
     &            AUX1(283),AUX2(100)
C
      IPARM(1) = 1000
      IPARM(2) = 0
      IPARM(3) = 10
      RPARM(1) = 1.0D-07
C
C***      INITIALIZE HEADING AND GRAND FLUID MATRIX
C
      DO 10 I  = 1,9
         B(I)  = 0.0D0
         U(I)  = 0.0D0
10    CONTINUE
C
      LA(1) = 0
      LA(2) = -2
      DO 20 I    = 1,9
         AD(I,1) =  2.0D0
         AD(I,2) = -1.0D0
20    CONTINUE
C
      AD(1,2) = 0.0D0
      AD(2,2) = 0.0D0
C
      B(1) = 1.0D0
      B(2) = 1.0D0
      B(8) = 1.0D0
      B(9) = 1.0D0
C
      IOPT=1
      M=9
      LDA=9
C
      CALL DSDCG(IOPT,M,2,AD,LDA,LA,B,U,IPARM,RPARM,AUX1,283,AUX2,100)
C
      DO 30 I = 1,9
         WRITE(6,*) U(I)
30    CONTINUE
      WRITE(6,*) IPARM(4), RPARM(2), RPARM(3)
      STOP
      END