From: michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.GOV (Michael Rivero)
Subject: Re: men crossing the street at night to avoid frightening women
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: JPL Pasadena CA
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:12:48 GMT

In article <1idskbINNgaa@agate.berkeley.edu> Tom Lord <lord+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    Even worse, trying to convince men [....] is therefore unconstitutional!
>
>The post is a joke, right?

  Not really. The joke is in trying to convince men that they should
scurry out of the way of women, just because they are men.  And if you
are going to attempt to poke fun at my posts, please keep them in one
piece. The full and unedited statement suggested that trying to force
any particular class or group to restrict it's behavior simply because
they ARE a particular class or group is ultimatly unconstitutional.


> How many people would sit still if we decided to keep the Blacks or
>    Chicanos away from the banks because most bank robberies (at
>    least here in LA) are committed by those particular groups, and
>    we wanted those women behind the teller windows to feel more
>    secure?
>
>Schematicly, that's:
>
>   men walking down the street : women they encounter
>::
>   (stereo)typically underclass racial `minorities' : banks
>
>Interesting.
>
>    I have every right to walk the shortest distance between two points.
>
>I guess this is also in the constitution, right?

  Don't you think you have a right to walk the shortest distance
between two points?  If not, then please try to avoid me as I
walk down the street. Only today in Los Angeles court a mother was
found guilty of first degree homocide in the deaths by fire of
her children. Frankly, after the wheelchair bound husband was set on
fire by his wife last Easter and the 2 year old boy torched in a car,
I'm clearly justified in being totally TERRIFIED of any woman who
has a cigarette lighter!

  A survey conducted by the New York Times showed that women on the
streets were more scared of other women than men, owing to the recent
increase in attacks and murders committed by female gangs. In one
case, a woman was stabbed to death for refusing to surrender her
earrings.  Should we now in New York force women to cross the street
to avoid scaring other women (God, what a picture that makes)?

>    THEIR problem
>    we decided
>    we wanted
>
>What's all this ``we'' shit?  You gotta frog in your pocket?

  If you are here to discuss issues and hear opposing viewpoints,
fine.  If you are just out to call the other side names then take it
to alt.flame.  Your above response contributed nothing of any value to
the subject under discussion.

  On the other hand, are there any "we's" out there who agree with
my point of view?


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Michael Rivero michael%neuron6@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov

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