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From: MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET (Marianne Dugan)
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Subject: Re: Green business?
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:28:09 GMT
Reply-To: Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
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>Granted, protecting the environment is a very important subject but I feel
>that it must be done with caution and some rationale.I feel that if I were
>faced with the decision to pollute the environment or have my family
>starve, I would choose the former.

I wonder how the people in the Love Canal area feel about putting
their supposed economic best interests above the environment --
now?  I wonder how the people in the great Pacific Northwest,
where I live, are going to feel in ten years when the old growth
is all gone, the salmon are extinct, and they not only have no
timber jobs but no tourism jobs, no fishing jobs, and the jobs
that those industries create on a sustainable basis?

Since the industrial revolution (at least!) our nation's history
has been one of short-sighted grabs at "the almighty dollar," as
you so aptly title it.  It is almighty, because it is what buys
us our homes and food.  Remember what lies behind the dollar,
though -- the resources to create the homes and food.  Our trees
and topsoil, air, water, fish, wildlife -- you name it! -- are
being wasted at an ever-increasing rate.  WASTED.  This means
less jobs in the future (the NEAR future), not more.  I went to
the grocery store today and was shocked that they discontinued
their one brand of recycled toilet paper and paper towels.  What
the @#$&* are people thinking???

>Besides can't technology, resolve the
>enviromental problems of today and eventually the ones in the future?
>Something to think about.
>
>PLease respond  Janine

It is very nice to think so, Janine.  As a matter of fact, that
is exactly what is behind the rationale of the Clean Water Act
and Clean Air Act permitting process now -- the "Best PRACTICABLE
Available Technology" requirement.  And do you know what, Janine?
The businesses required to use this "B.A.T." as it's called are
screaming about the costs.  Who exactly is going to pay the costs
for the technology to prevent further pollution and clean up the
mess we have gotten ourselves into?  It would be very nice to
keep trying to pass it off to our children and their children,
but it's time to stop that stupid game now.  We've screwed up big
time and we'd better realize that right now and pay the piper.


Sorry for the "diatribe" style of this letter, but I'm steaming
right now.


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Marianne Dugan  mdugan@oregon.uoregon.edu
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From: carolyn@UNITY.NCSU.EDU
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Subject: Info request
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:43:53 GMT
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Can anyone provide some information on "terpenes" or "terpenoids", a
resinous vapor emitted by conifers which is thought to contribute to haze
in the atmosphere?  I have tried several databases for citations to
articles on this topic, including _Forestry Abstracts_, with no luck.

Thanks in advance!
Carolyn Argentati
Natural Resources Library
North Carolina State University
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From: HOYTE@YALEVM.BITNET (David Hoyte)
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Subject: 50-Scientist Statement
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:32:08 GMT
Reply-To: David Hoyte <HOYTE@YALEVM.BITNET>
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Dr Dixy Lee Ray, former Governor of the State of Washington, gave a
talk to the Progress Foundation Economic Conference on 21 September
1992 in Zurich, Switzerland on environmental problems.

My transcript of the talk quotes her:

> . . . more than 50 of the outstanding and leading atmospheric
> scientists in the United States signed a statement saying that the
> global warming theory is "highly uncertain" and that it is "...based
> upon unsupported assumptions that catastrophic global warming follows
> from the burning of fossil fuels and requires immediate action". They
> ended their petition with this simple sentence: "We do not agree".

I have not been able to contact Dr Ray.
Can anyone help me to find the full text of that statement, with
the list of 50 people who signed it?

If you have it on the system, please send it to me:   HOYTE@YALEVM.

Or I can give you a FAX number.

Thank you.           David Hoyte.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:10:23 GMT
Reply-To:     Terence Sommerville <TSOMMER@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
From:         Terence Sommerville <TSOMMER@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Reference for book on Rainforests

In my posting on Oil companies operations in rainforests, I started to
insert a reference concerning forest diversity in Ecuador, but never finished
it. So here is the full title.

An Introduction to Tropical Rain Forests, by T.C. Whitmore, 1990
published by Oxford University Press.
I assume that is Oxford, the UK.

T.C. Whitmore is a leading expert on tropical plants and tropical forests
and has done much field work, particulary in Malaysia.

In it's own right this book is an ideal introduction for anyone  who wants
to find out more about rainforests and I found it both readable and very
structure, which enabled me to learn a lot of the fundamentals that are
so important for anyone who has any interest in this subject.

I would like to at some point in the future give a brief review of the
book as I am sure there are many people who would like to find out more.

-Terry.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:56:37 EDT
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Green business discussion

I know of a refinery in Wyoming that was making an obsolete product in a
plant that was built 100 years ago.  There was such a small market for this
low-grade product (I think it was a very smelly type of kerosene) that the
choice became whether to imporve the plant and make something else or go out
of business.  The company decided to close the refinery.  In press releases,
they said it was because environmental regulations cost too much!!  To put
it bluntly, they lied.  I'd bet this strategy is very common.

What amazes me is that the very same workers (and unions) who know how the
companies manipulate information to avoid giving workers raises and
benefits, sill trust those same companies to give them accurate information
about the future of the industry, whether it is sustainable, and whether
environmental regualtions will harm the industry.

Take the oil and gas extraction business--it can be very messy and
contaminate both groundwater and surface water, and scales in pipes can be
radioactive.  You'd think the workers who drink the water and work with the
hot pipes would be screaming for a federal regulatory program (the oil
industry has convinced Congress to exempt it from RCRA).  Not at all.  The
Boss says we'll lose our jobs.  YesSir, Mr. Boss.  Anything you say, Sir.

Paula
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From: USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET (Bill Arnett)
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Subject: Re: What Does Green Mean to Business?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:10:28 GMT
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CFINNEY%UVMVM.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (Chris) says:
> If I were faced with the decision to pollute the environment or have
> my family starve, I would choose the latter and grow a garden so my
> family wouldn't starve.

More to the point, you would choose neither!   You would find a 3rd
choice which was better than either one.  Many people who feel
"victimized" by environmentalists lose sight of the fact that they
have more than two choices.  I tire of hearing loggers and fishermen
saying "My grandfather was a logger/fisherman.  My father was
a logger/fisherman.  My brothers are loggers/fishermen.  And I am
a logger/fisherman.  It's my life."  No, it's only a career.

Change is hard.  Especially change that you don't want.  Especially
a change of career.  But change is *always* possible.  Ask the
people who have been made obsolete by computers.  Did they blame
IBM?  "If it's a choice between IBM's profits and my family's
food, let IBM go bankrupt."  Of course, that was commerce.
The GNP is more important than the environment.

Actually, some of them probably did blame IBM, but like the
people being "victimized" by environmentalists, the only real
foe is evolution---evolution of technology, evolution of
knowlege, evolution of understanding.

Yikes! That sounds kinda philosophical. I better stop. ...Bill
From: ANTILEJA@SNYCOBVA.BITNET (John A Antilety)
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Subject: Searching for Aquaculturists, Aquatic Ecologists and Biologists
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: John A Antilety <ANTILEJA@SNYCOBVA.BITNET>
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Greetings, listmembers.

        My name is John A Antilety, and I'm a BT Animal Science student in the
Aquaculture program at SUNY Cobleskill.  I'm currently in my last semester at
Cobleskill, and about to leave for my internship.  However, I would like to
make a list of people in the field, for both myself and the faculty, in order to
increase communication in the field.

        I am looking for students, faculty and professional personell who
are involved with or engaged in aquaculture, mariculture, aquatic/marine
ecology/biology, aquatic/marine zoology, aquatic/marine parisitology and
aquatic/marine toxicology.  I am also looking for people knowledgeable in the
fields of fish pathology and physiology.

        It is my hope that I can create a database of knowledgeable people who
will be able to help solve mutual problems, exchange information and generally
try to advance the fields mentioned.

        In addition to people, I am also looking for FTP sites that contain
information on aquaculture, biology, parisitology, fish pathology, fish
physiology, toxicology and zoology.

        I thank you for your time and consideration, and will appreciate any
information that you can provide.

                                                -John Antilety
From: PAULO@VTVM1.BITNET (Paulo Castro)
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Subject: Green business discussion
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:30:40 GMT
Reply-To: Paulo Castro <PAULO@VTVM1.BITNET>
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I strongly aggree and support the view of Marianne about the need to
once for all people realize the importance of the environment. I also
understand the position of Janine, although I don't accept it as a
excuse for demaging the environment. The problem is that people come
up with nonsense stuff such as  "spotted owl OR jobs". There is no
such thing: you can have "spotted owl AND jobs". Maybe not exactly
the same jobs, but you get jobs. If people are willing to CHANGE from
cutting old growth timber to other more sustainable activity, and if
the state/federal governmentsDO THEIR SHARE of promoting that change
(e.g. by providing the right subsidies) you will keep BOTH the spotted
and jobs. Contrary to the spotted owl which has no alternative
habitat to live, humans have shown very well their ability to adapt
to new situations. Many CREATIVE solutions (some of them very simple)
are already out there available for people to try. But you can't
really, if you want to be honest, blame the protection of the
environment for the closing of small businesses, when in fact that's
the result of the fact that subsidies and government support is not
being provided. Just making regulations is not enough. The government
(if really interested in the cause of the environment) should induce
people to change in the right direction. Is it doing that? You tell me!

Please comment on this. But please be CREATIVE...

Paulo
paulo@vtvm1.bitnet
paulo@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
From: Eng-Leong_Foo_MIRCEN-KI%MICFORUM@MICA.MIC.KI.SE
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Subject: 2nd BNFNET Annual Computer Conference
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:51:00 GMT
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            2nd BNFNET Annual Computer Conference
           Theme: Ecology of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria
            Date: 1st Nov - 31 Jan 1993

Biological Nitrogen Fixation Electronic Network invites you to
participate in its 2nd BNFNET Annual Computer Conference on the
Ecology of Nitrogen Fixing Bacteria.

Paper presentations and discussions will be related to -
*  Approaches and methodologies for identification, monitoring
   and population studies of natural and genetically  manipulated
   nif bacteria.
*  Nitrogen fixing bacteria in their natural habitats, extreme
   environments, symbiotic and associative relationships with
   other organisms, plants & animals
*  Role of nitrogen fixation bacteria in biocycles,  agricultural
   and cropping systems, reforestations, and land reclamation.
*  International programmes and projects on ecology of nitrogen
   fixing bacteria

To participate, kindly send the message: "ADD ME TO 2BNFCC" to
eng-leong_foo_mircen-ki%micforum@mica.mic.ki.se

If you wish to present a paper (2-4 pages), kindly send the title
of your paper to BNFCC-WG@SEARN.SUNET.SE

To join BNFNET, send the message SUBSCRIBE BNFNET-L <YOUR NAME>
to LISTSERV@FINHUTC

FROM: Eng-leong Foo, Karolinska Institute, 10401 Stockholm, Sweden
Unesco Microbial Resources Center & Dept of Bacteriology
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Organization: University of Innsbruck, Austria
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:56:10 GMT+0100
Reply-To:     Elisabeth.Meze@uibk.ac.at
From:         Elisabeth Meze <Elisabeth.Meze@UIBK.AC.AT>
Subject:      environmental policy - history

In June I asked for help for my thesis about "International
Environment Policy - Development, Chances, Problems".Thanks for all
the nice letters! Time has gone,
I have read many books, but I could`nt find enough information about

    the historical development of environmental contracts (the old
Greec in about 1000 BC for excample had hard punishments for people
if they put waste on the streets - I read in a book), in the Middle
Age they also had great environmental problems because of heating and
making iron...........

Does someone knows anything about my topic, or, which university,
professor or student works in the field of historical review of
environmental problems, laws and contracts?
I am glad for any information.
As I come from Austria (German native speaker) I also invite people
from German speaking countries - if they are interested.
Thanks

Lisa Meze

PS. Sorry for my bad English - I haven`t practiced it for a long time.
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From: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
Subject: Re: Shutdown of Env Satellites
Reply-To: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23681  USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:44:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.121225.258162@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu 
(GARY PHILIP NEWHART) writes:
>  (Terence Sommerville) writes:
> >I wish to draw attention to the very valuable and critical work that the
> >environmental satellites mentioned in an earlier posting, and concerning
> >the shutting down of them from Oct 2.
> >
> >The satellites mentioned were : Nimbus -7
> >                                Erbs
> >                                Noaa - 9
> >                                Noaa - 10
> >

lots of stuff deleted

> Who can we write to stop the satellite shut down?
> gpn0

Maybe the press would be a good place to start...
CNN, NBC, and CBS have already contacted us about this
subject.  They are very interested.

Call NASA Headquarters and your Congress people.

Feel free to add to this list...


ALSO...THE PLANNED SHUTDOWN IS IN DECEMBER...NOT THIS MONTH.

Mike

Mike Rowland, Aerosol Research Branch, MS 475
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:31:50 PDT
Reply-To:     Lelani Arris <larris@IGC.APC.ORG>
From:         Lelani Arris <larris@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      New Canadian Newsletters available

Announcing....

Two Canadian newsletters on global change now available online!

The first is DELTA, the newsletter of the Canadian Global Change
Program.  This quarterly newsletter contains material on a number
of global change issues, including climate change, acid rain,
ecosystems, and other related subjects.  The Summer 1992 (38K) and
Fall 1992 (76K) issues are currently available, and we expect to
carry future issues as well.

The second is the newsletter of the Climate Adaptations Branch,
Canadian Climate Centre (Environment Canada, Atmospheric
Environment Service), a bilingual publication on climate change
and adaptation issues.  We are pleased to be carrying the
inaugural (October 1992) issue of this newsletter (35K), and will
be carrying future issues as well.

The Energy and Climate Information Exchange would like to thank
Dave Henderson of the Canadian Global Change Program, and Andrej
Saulesleja of the Canadian Climate Centre for supplying these
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The newsletters are available via anonymous ftp from igc.apc.org
(192.82.108.1), subdirectory /pub/ECIX; or you may request a copy
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From: TMILLS@UCONNVM.BITNET (ted mills)
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Subject: German centers of evironmental research
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: ted mills <TMILLS@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Organization: University of Connecticut
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A faculty member wants to link her German/engineering program to one or
more centers of ecological/environmental research in Germany.  Can someone
suggest a good contact?  Thanks.
        Ted Mills, Coordinator, Faculty Resource Lab
         Univ. of Conn. Computer Center <TMILLS@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
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X-From_: tgray  Mon Oct 12 10:21:59 1992
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:22:02 PDT
Reply-To:     Tom Gray <tgray@IGC.APC.ORG>
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From:         Tom Gray <tgray@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      --Missing Carbon Still at Large

/* Written 10:13 am  Oct 12, 1992 by tgray@igc.apc.org in igc:en.energy */
/* ---------- "--Missing Carbon Still at Large" ---------- */
CLOSE LOOK AT OCEANS FAILS
TO FIND 'MISSING' CARBON

A detailed examination of the Earth's oceans has turned up a
portion of the carbon "missing" from the global carbon cycle,
researchers reported in Science magazine recently, but at least 1
billion tons/year, and possibly as much as 2 billion tons/year,
remains unaccounted for.

Carbon dioxide, the leading "greenhouse gas" associated with global
warming, is emitted into the atmosphere from a number of sources,
including the burning of fossil fuels and decay of plants, and is
in turn absorbed by growing plants.  In this cycle, the oceans play
a significant part which is not well understood, at times absorbing
CO2 and at other times releasing it.

Scientists are making strenuous efforts to account for the missing
volume of gas, as Science puts it, because "not knowing where all the
carbon is going raises the unnerving possibility that whatever
processes are removing it may soon fall down on the job without
warning, accelerating any warming."

Carbon from human sources can be distinguished from that in the
atmosphere because it contains a different ratio of the radioactive
isotope carbon-13, the magazine said, and researchers measuring CO2
in the oceans have concluded they absorb 2.1 billion tons of carbon
annually.  However, that number remains in dispute, with other
scientists believing it may be too high.

Some believe that northern hemisphere forests, which are gradually
expanding after having been nearly wiped out in the 18th and 19th
centuries, may be absorbing the missing carbon.
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