HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors, my beloved
Keywords: my beloved group
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:23:27 GMT



There are no "facts", there are no "sensible" discussions about UFOs. 
And it will stay like that until some government brings the ETs on tv.

But where else can you have a really good laugh every day? Where else do some 
people fly off the handle at the slightest chance, leaving you to see how 
mature you are for not doing the same? Of course, there is material which 
doesn't appeal to you. But it must appeal to someone, just as the material 
that doesn't appeal to them may appeal to you. I love this group exactly 
*because* it is so full of variety. I try to imagine what those people are 
really like. Variety is the spice of life, and if you want out, maybe you are 
not tolerant enough or your horizon is too limited. There seem to be people 
who really believe everything (even *all* of John's stuff), and those whose 
minds cannot bear to think of change ..

If you want something more interesting, then just email someone with a 
challenge, or a friendly question. All the people I've talked to on email are 
very friendly in reality, in fact some very interesting people ..  

(If I got abducted, I wouldn't talk about it on the net, nor would I talk 
about any CE3 in the group. I'd email a few people and ask them what *they'd* 
do. Maybe they would then say to the group: "Well, someone's asked me to tell 
you that.." )

I wouldn't like to lose any of our "regulars" in this group.
"Please don't go, please don't go.."

Since I'm here:
Where can I get hold of "E.T 101, The Cosmic Instruction Manual"? Nobody can 
get me a copy here in Switzerland, and I've even got the ISBN! Can anybody 
give me a mailing address where they'll send me a copy?  Thanks.

Hey! Did you like my SETI thing? Nothing New Age there! (for a change!)

													Paul.




Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (The Dark Kitty)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Comments on Berkeley Symposium
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:06:49 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

Hmmmmm...as far as calling pro-choice 'pro-abortion' because we should
call it what it is.  I find it offensive to spout your viewpoints here.
Our purpose is to discuss aliens, ufos etc...not to insult other users
of the net.  I am pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion.  If we were to use the
same logic then those who are pro-life would be
ANTI-Choice/ANTI-freedom.
Not a very pleasant thing to do eh?  Let's keep our minds and ears open
and stop gibbering non-sense opinions and insults.

Anthony Clifton
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.213019.27899@tamsun.tamu.edu> cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (C J Rogers (Chris)) writes:
>In article <92284.232356JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I too recall the Discover article.  it talked about magnetic coil guns or
>>something.
>
>>JK
>
>It is commonly known as a rail gun.  It uses magnetic forces and super 
>conductors to propel objects at high rates of speed.   I am not to certain as 
>to the accuracy of this fact, but I have heard that they can get a particle 
>5 or 6 times faster than the speed of sound before it even reaches the end of a
>20-25 foot long barrel.  Pretty interesting stuff.  Also, on a large scale such
>as 2-3 miles, it could not be aimed well enough to be used as an effective 
>weapon.  It does have uses in putting sattilites in low Earth orbit, thus 
>saving on the amounts of feul used.

Interesting stuff indeed, I believe that A Clark worte a book about this.
_The Fountains of Paradise_ as I recall. 

But this thread started with attaining orbital velocity with chemical
explosives. Properly speaking, it is not an answer to the original question.
 
>Later!
>C J Rogers
> 
>"Now if only we could get Congress to work as well as rail guns..."
>							-- Salis

Rich

payner@netcom.com



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: INVASION!!!
Summary: I have just found out what has been going on!!!
Keywords: stollman, clones, aliens, invasion, Jesus
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:19:53 GMT


I have just returned from a foree into the world of the unknown for the
umteenth time, where I learned exactly who and why this has all been
happening to me.  It turns out that I am a special angel put here by God
to bring peace and happiness to the world.  I was taken over by Jesus, and
he in turn saved my family and friends.  I drove all over California in my
car, although the distances were altered by God moving my car through
space, and one minute I was driving near Santa Barbara, and then the next
minute I was back in Pasadena, where I was taken out of the car by angels
after stopping as told by God in the middle of an intersection.  I
performed other functions for God as well, including being the vehicle
through which Jesus has started the Second Coming.  It would take a VERY
long article to explain it all in detail, but suffice it to say that I am
back in the real world now, except that now I have Jesus(a small part of
him) inside me to guide me, and I met an angel of an old girlfriend of
mine, who put her soul into me, and I have both inside me now.  I KNOW
this sounds like channeling or something like that, but this is the truth
as best as I know it.  God was speaking to me directly, and through his
commands, I was transported through places unimaginable by anyone of
normal standards, if there is such a thing.  I will get back on tonight,
and give you some more details.  

	Gary Stollman

-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
-----------------------------------------------------------------
          The world is your playground.  Keep it clean! 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (C J Rogers (Chris))
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:24:36 GMT

In article <2AD43CD7.7703@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith):
>>I wonder how many bets were taken that Chris Colombus would sail off
>>the end of the Earth?
>
>Good point... NOT.  You're the CRAZYMAN if you think that educated
>people of Columbus' time considered the world to be flat.  They knew
>it was round!  They had known that it was round since Greece was the
>dominant world power.  They were just wrong about its diameter.
>
>As for uneducated people... well, there there some today who think the
>earth is flat, or that the Apollo missions were faked, or that pro
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sad isn't it?  Some people are just *too* stubborn.

>wrestling is real.  The beliefs of the ignorant prove nothing.
>
>Naysayers aren't a problem.
>
>Credible people who believe without proof are a problem.

That is what we have all been trying to say all along!

>The "Mars face" is, in all probability, a mere trick of light and
>shadow and the brain's built-in face recognition circuitry.  If NASA
>decides to ignore the "face" in favor of other investigations that are
>more likely to produce good science, well, more power to them.

We, I think, have been trying to say the same thing all along and have been
getting our signals crossed.  None of us (except the crazy fanatics) can say
that the face is artificial or real.  We all have our own beliefs, that is
only natural.  We just have to be ready to accept the truth when we find it.
That includes both sides of the argument.  What good will it do to say that the
face is artificial when it has been shown very conclusivly that it is natural?
(or visa-versa). 

As for my butchered definitions of cynic and skeptic in my other posting...
I have always used those words in that way.  If they are actually reversed from
how I use it, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.  (I'll check before I post
next time.  Then again, maybe we all should.  That would cut down on the 
stupid posting ratio here.)  

BTW, flames are more than welcome!  It has been rather chilly here lately.


>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>

Later!
C J Rogers



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From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:20:28 GMT
Organization: University of Lowell

In article <1992Oct1.060552.5151@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
> Well, mars observer has been launched. barring untoward circumstances, it
> should be in position and taking pictures in 11 months or so. with cameras
> of 3 meter resolution, the 'Face on Mars' question should be settled (one
> way or another) within the next couple of years. 

[stuff deleted] 
> I'd like to reiterate my position: I do not, myself, know if the formations
> in cydonia on mars are artificial. I think the pictures of the 'face', 'city',
> 'straight wall', 'pyramid', 'fortress' etc are intriguing and I eagerly await
> better photographs than we now have. Most people who express disbelief in
> the artificiality of these formations have expressed their disbelief so
> forcefully, that I am taking bets (at whatever odds (favorable to me) you 
> like).

What happened to the dinosaurs? They obviously went to Mars and built these
structures.  Why build these structures? So that we'd know what happened to the
dinosaurs.
--Ray Cote
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:52:55 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets

According to rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith):
>"WELL INFORMED PEOPLE KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT THE VOICE OVER
>WIRES AND THAT, WERE IT POSSIBLE TO DO SO, THE THING WOULD BE OF NO
>PRACTICAL VALUE."

WELL INFOR... ahem.  Well informed people know the difference
between exploration and technological development (and commercial
exploitation thereof).  This "face on Mars" flap is relevant to the
former, while the quoted text is relevant to the latter; and there
is nothing in common between them.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
    "My favorite phenomenon is when someone mails me or posts to this
     group, either calling me a newbie or telling me that my postings
     are not relevant to alt.non.sequitur."           -- Matt Welsh
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:03:03 -0400 
From: Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Use of 2-mile gun


Couldn't they use this 2-mile gun to shoot nuclear waste and other earth
wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
spacecrafts were to be used.  And you don't need as many resources as
spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
which is not a problem?
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Face On Mars?
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 11 Oct 92 09:06:17 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Well what with the launch of the Mars Observer the old bits on Mars 
rag-chewer has hotted up but I'm still left wondering STILL.

Can anyone please post the details on NASA's position(if any) on The 
Face on Mars etc & the plans for investigating the area.

So many seem to put much hope(if that's the right word) in Mars Observer 
that I wonder why their's not been any good info on what Mars Observer 
might do in regards with it.     SO
 

Again please let's have all the info possible on the studies suc as
When imaging of the area/s can begin at earliest,when it's most likely 
to start,what other instruments could be employed e.g.the laser altimeter 
what the data is likely to be like under varying conditions,where to 
obtain any findings on the area/s,when they may be available?????.

those are just a few questions so please more info,more facts,more 
details for all mankind & maybe the odd alien.

***********************      
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
OR JUST WAITING TO SEAL
THE ROYALTY DEAL
**************************
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:32:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Carl,[you write]:

 
>And huge amounts of resources have been wasted by people who've taken
your
>attitude.

Sounds like you got passed up on a few grants for other projects that you
deemed ridiculous.

>By the way, don't you think it's likely that eventually someone would've
>gotten around to wondering why storms hitting the old world from the west
>didn't bring larger waves?  Or listening to Scandinavian stories of large
lands
>to the west?  Or just wondering whether it was really likely that such a
vast
>expanse of ocean (Atlantic+Pacific+America) would have no useful lands?

Great attitude!!!!!!!! Someone has to do it......Soh nuch!!!!!! Someone has
to step out on a limb & postulate an unlikely solution. But not you Carl,
or others of your ilk. Let someone else look like a fool....OR A MAN OF
VISION! Thin line is it not? No balls, no blue
chips..........................................

I often wonder what you & others like you will say if the Mars features are
artificial. Hmmmmmmmmm


Rod 

 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Subject: John Lear
Reply-To: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:19:25 GMT

Where can I get a copy of the John Lear article?

When I asked this question before, Michael Corbin kindly responded
that the article was available on Paranet.  I wrote to him asking for
information about Paranet, but apparently my message did not get to
him (problem with the mail software at this end, I think).

Someone else did post an article here by John Lear, but the poster had
converted the article from printed form to an ASCII file by use of an
optical scanner, and he did not proofread the result.  The article he
posted contained many errors.  It even included several paragraphs
that appeared to be from some other article all together.  I only
mention this as a caution to others who might be considering the use
of an optical scanner.

Thanks to anyone who can help me locate the John Lear article.  BTW: I
am interested in information on Paranet as well.

Christopher Schmidt
Waltham, Massachusetts, USA
schmidt@northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: HFS, Inc., McLean VA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:38:54 GMT

In article <bosullvn.718656190@unix1.tcd.ie> bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan) writes:
>rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>
>>I wonder how many bets were taken that Chris (CRAZYMAN) Colombus
>>would sail off the end of the Earth?
>
>It's a commonly-held misconception that people of Columbus' time
>thought the earth to be flat; at least so says David Lindbergh in
>his "The Beginnings of Western Science" (U. Chicago Press) and I
>am inclined to believe him.  Unless someone has some credible
>evidence that people started to believe the earth was flat after
>tens of centuries of believing otherwise, I'll accept Lindbergh's
>word.

I've heard that same thing but you know, it really doesn't matter whether
scientists of those days thought the earth was flat or not.  What did
the common sailors and common folk think in those days.  How do you get a
crew together to face their commonly held fears and brave the Atlantic?
That is where I think that Columbus gets the credit, IMHO.

The other thing I heard was that the scientists also knew besides the
roundness of the earth approximately how large it was.  Therefore, when
Columbus undertook his journey, he was unprepared for a trip to Asia.  So,
you see, he was right about the shape of the world, wrong about it's size,
and wrong about an intervening continent.  Voila, success!  Sometimes, two
wrongs do make a right :)

>Bryan O'Sullivan                                        bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie

-- 
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Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7264 sci.skeptic:17669
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <92279.175903KAJ113@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KAJ113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
=I agree with you. I think.  A few years ago, while I was still in high school,
=I was talking to this guy who was filming a video yearbook for our school.
=While I was interviewing him we somehow got on the subject of UFO's and such.
=Anyway, he told me about the book "Faces of Mars".  I don't remember everything
=he said, but I do remember it was very convincing. Ever since I have been
=trying to get a copy of that book but cannot seem to find it.  Do you know
=who the author was?

I think it was Richard Hoagland, the same crackpot who claims that the Mars
Observer was actually launched nearly a year ago on a secret shuttle mission.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ezekiel's Space Ship
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:42:15 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct09.084106.25319@watson.ibm.com> jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier) writes:
>
>I would like to get some information on a chapter in the Bible (Old Testament)
>where Ezekiel describes what sounds like the arrival of a space ship and
>of several alien creatures. The description is so amazing that one could
>really beleive he witnesses such an event.
>
>Thanks.
>
>J. Cherbonnier
>jec@zurich.ibm.com


What exactly did you want to know? If this kind of thing interests you I
highly recommend the book "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley. It goes
into lot's of this stuff and more. Really good book!


--
=========================================================================
||@@@@||         Denise Solis -- dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com       ||@@@@||
||@@@@||  Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty  ||@@@@||
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From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:48:21 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Andrew Todd Weinstein writes:
Couldn't they use this 2-mile gun to shoot nuclear waste and other earth
>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
>farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
>spacecrafts were to be used.  And you don't need as many resources as
>spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
>which is not a problem?
Great! And then we have garbage in space orbitting the Earth.  Yum.  Not only
that but it makes it fun for all future satellites and manned missions trying
to zigzag through the stink free zone.
Colleen
--
It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
The Crimson Bunion
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: auras
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:34:38 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com

I was told that my statement was unclear, so I will try one more time.


When I was a little girl I aw auras, now as an adult I still see auras.

This is NOT and I do repeat, NOT a figment of my imagination.  

So the remark about if this is a figment of my imagination, then I must have
a really good one, meant, Your nuts buddy!  I can see them.  You can't tell
me I can't.

Hope that clears it up.

Kathie  ;.)
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens on internet
Summary: Alien Hacking: another view
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:15:18 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <pbrettle.1@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk> pbrettle@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk (PAUL BRETTLE) writes:
>It wouldn't suprise me if, rather than messing around in spacecraft and all 
>Any of you Alien hackers want to own up now?  
>

If it is true that aliens are on the net, why don't
we just finger their accounts, shoot the addresses
over to alt.hackers or alt.cyberpunk and have them
tap their systems.?

Hey, aliens-on-the-net-spying-on-us: turnabout's fair play!

	Jason
	Our Reporter on the Hideous Plain of Leng
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:36:34 EDT
From: Joe Carlson <JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Distribution: world

In article <67526@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com says:

>Dear People; Maybe you people are right. It might be true that I've been
>drinking too much bubble up and eating too much rainbow stew. It might
>be that the person that wrote the TV show Battle Star Galactica was a
>member of a certain religious group  and was trying to tell us something.
>Who knows, who knows.

Let me guess your answer to that one...Only the Shadow knows?

>John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors