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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:53:26 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Death of Mary Wells

Published in the today's news(AP), singer Mary Wells died of cancer. The
cancer was from a condition which seemed to existed since about a year ago.
She was treated for cancer of the larynx, but the cancer was not caught in
time. She was 49.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect for Jesse Jackson
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:20:47 GMT

In article <92209.045546FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:
>In article <14shf4INN155@agate.berkeley.edu> Vignes Gerard M writes:
                                              ***************
>> Too much emphasis is given to political representation and not enough to
>> economic power.  Black people control much of the Oakland city government,
>> the school board and its teachers and administration.

	Sorry to barge in like this,
	but the attribute is not correct.

	The words you are responding to are not mine.

						Gerard Vignes

-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: African -American Literature
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:36:46 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

 Hello, I am trying to obtain the names and titles of literary works
by African American Authors this is for a curriculum being designed for
an African American Literature Class.

Thank You,
Please Reply (Not Post)
MCSWEINBERG@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:33:15 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How to Keep Kids off Drugs?

In the continuing saga.... Mary Horward writes in article <1992Jul20.155853.
5685@isvax.uni.edu>

> If the government's role should mainly be to attempt to reduce unemployment,
> what is the best approach to do so? Would a small business loan program be
> a workable approach? It seems to me that local (black) ownership of busi-
> nesses have a greater potential of success than bringing in large (non-black
> owned) companies.

The AfAm and Puerto Rican communities have vastly neglected when it comes to
jobs. During the summer months, when schools are out, the teen unemployment is
so high, it's ridiculous. The gov't isn't doing anything about it.

Seeing this problem persisted over 10-20 years, it's no wonder kids are get-
ting involved w/ drug selling and drug use. Hell... during the school year, the
unemployment rate is so high amongst adults in those communities, one should
be able to understand why drug selling is so attractive. What incentive does
a kid have to stay in school when he/she can sell drugs and make money all
year around (assuming one is not caught or, once yet, killed)?

The situation is more complicated [something I didn't go into in a previous
post because it's a very lenghty discussion] as the problem is repeated from
previous generations of underachievement, unemployment and neglect continues.

If the gov't can keep ppl in those communities employed in decent jobs and at-
tract industries into those communities [where there exist a large source of
folx waiting for jobs], maybe the drug problem would never have gotten started.
Who knows?

Whether it's black owned companies using SB Loans or non-black industry coming
in, it's irrelevant. The ppl only want employment. We can deal w/ self-reliance
issues later. The gov't failed AfAms miserably here. That's why I say if our
condition of underemployment was the same in white communities there would be
drastic change. Maybe Pres Bush is getting that msg during this campaign. But
what about the 'hoods across the country. LA was no fluke. The underlying are
still staring the country in the face.

                                 *
                                 * "No performer in any of the arts wants to
                                 *  go backwards; few are content to stand
Fred Rozenblad-"Kickin' the 3"   *  still; many are eager to move ahead."
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu                *
                                 *                      -McCoy Tyner
                                 *                     "Tender Moments"
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's support by Blacks... low.
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:37:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul23.233753.18122@microsoft.com> chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron) writes:
>
>    The progressive agenda is NOT a black agenda; nor a minority agenda; it
>is a PEOPLE'S/PUBLIC INTEREST agenda.  Progressive politics has been
>backpeddling for the last quarter of a century.  Liberals have gradually
>moved rightward due to the conservative leadership of Nixon, Ford, Carter,
>Reagan, and Bush and ma$$ media resonance of the conservative agenda --
>you hear it enough times it must be TRUE!

	OK. I'm willing to grant some of the stuff about agenda, but I
can't help but have one. Before I vote for a canididate, I've got to
be reasonably sure that she's/he's a lot of things : Non-homophobic,
non-racist, non-sexist, pro-choice. And if a candidate doesn't measure
up to those things, I can't vote for her/him. If that's called having
an agenda, then so be it. As far as the "people's/public interst" I've
learned that putting my own issues aside in order to hop on the
communial bandwagon "for the greater good" means that more often than
not I get left at the station when the train pulls out. So I have to
have an agenda, and I can't abandon it.

>
>    Before you vote for Clinton or Bush, for that matter, I ask you to
>analyse what makes a great leader.  You may disagree, but Reagan was a GREAT
>leader.  In my view a great leader has convictions and stand for something
>that he/she believes in.  Then ask yourself whether you believe in what they
>stand for.
>
>    To answer your question Ron Daniels CANNOT win UNLESS he has support and
>that's the CATCH-22.  I have "thrown-away" my vote, voting for the lesser
>of two evils since 1976.  The people have compromised too much and has gained
>too little -- especally African Americans.
>

	True, Daniels cannot win unless he has support, and the odds
are already against him getting enough support to win. I know what I'm
talking about. I election after election I voted purely with my
conscience rather than with a sense of logic, and voted for candidate
after candidate who lost. I got tired of it, and realized that
oftentimes one simply has to choose the lesser of the two most likely
evils to be foisted upon us. 
	We will either have a Clinton Administration or a Bush
Administration. Its a shame to say it, but that much is predictable.
Given a choice between the two, I'll choose Clinton, particularly if
my supposed vote for Daniels would only really succeed in bringing
Bush one vote closer to a second term.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Nonviolence, defense and America (Was Re: Violence, defense and Is
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:16:53 GMT

<FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:


>slzm9 ask that the attacks on Willian Franklin cease.

>I'm not about to attack him but, it seems Franklin brought this on himself.
>From the articles he's responding to, he continues to put his foot deeper
>and deeper down his own throat. There have been other "white" posters who
>put shit on this net-just to get folx riled up. I'm sure ppl remember Glenn
>Cooley, Arthur Hu, and Philip Stromer. These are just a few names I can re-
>member off the top of my head.

>I have no problem w/ anyone regardless of their skin color reading or posting
>on this net. They have the same "rights" everbody have in that regard. Even
>if they post something out of ignorance, they can be schooled. But when ig-
>nornce is combined w/ arrogance and there is no "sincerity" on the part of
>some posters, then they get what they are asking for.



ONCE again, another lackluster attack. You can't defend your 
opposition to my postings, so you just simply group them with others
so that you may not be asked to. Well I am calling your pitiful bluff!
If you are opposed to my postings, DON"T just stereotype them, as if
you have no education whatsoever, lets hear a SOUND, FACTUAL, 
COUNTERPOINT. Can you support YOUR views? It doesn't sound like it.

I can support my views and they are getting only a handful of
even semi-intelligent responses. Most are indirect like yours (because
the poster is scared to face off) or are whiny, name-calling, race-
blaming non-factual stereotypical sound-bites.

Once again, either stand up to my arguments with factual data, or
at least a semi-logical COUNTERPOINT or just read and listen and
learn. Keep your stereotypical names and ideas to yourself.

(Pitiful)  :|     


1.Who said I was white? Do I hear a _clicking_ noise? (stereotypewriter)
2.Foot in throat? WHEN? That is stereotypical BULLSHIT, you just
   can't argue logically against ANY points I have made. Your mind
   is probably too weak so to do. Find ANY point that I have made
   (DIRECT QUOTES ONLY) and...
  	 a) Argue the counterpoint......
   	 b) Display how my foot was anywhere but on solid factual ground.
	 c) Show how you would have argued my side of the argument.

   Bet I won't hear from YOUR tired ass either. Not when there is
   homework involved.

3.Prove that there is no sincerity in my postings.

4.Intelligence is not arrogance- it only APPEARS to be so TO THE STUPID.
   
5.And if you call this flames, then don't worry about me.. I won't be
  putting on asbestos anytime soon.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:8284 talk.politics.soviet:6383 talk.politics.misc:36049 soc.culture.china:21031
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Death of the Political Left (Marxist-Leninist warfare)
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:01:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Jul26.170130.18915
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX

In article <1992Jul25.121530.9486@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
><Basically political minorities are to be used by the left as fuel 
><for igniting revolutionary civil wars, then supressed once the left 
><has gained political power.
>
>Please tell me where "Marxist-Leninist revolutionary doctrine" says anything
>about suppression (note spelling) of "political minorities".  One or two
>citations from Marx and Lenin will suffice.

Does a Cheka or KGB training manual count? As in:
"Chapter 3: How to put the down the Krondstadt uprising"
"Chapter 5: How to starve the Ukrainians"
"Chapter 11: How to relocate Tartars to Siberia "
etc.

(I guess you'd say there is a divergence between Leninist practice
and Leninist 'doctrine'.  Indeed there is.)
-------
P. McGuinness
From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: KNUCKLEHEAD tally (was Re: Good Quote
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.201641.15147@gagme.chi.il.us>, barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart) writes...
>In article <1992Jul21.163342.3870@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu
>(william carter franklin) writes:
> 
>><deleted>> 
>For those of you keepng score, Mr. Franklin is the 16th white liberal,
>Asian, or otherwise disaffected American on s.c.a.a. in 1992 to pee his
>pants over someone's spelling.
>

Why are you keeping score and what is the game we are playing?

>Apparently patriotism is the *second-to-last* refuge of a scoundrel.
> 
> 
> 
>-- 
>Aaron (Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us)
>Evanston, Illinois
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Generations of Conservatism-WLefare Myths
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:41:31 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Jul29.181338.13048@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp  
(Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <92210.043814FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >And now for editorials comments.
> 
> >This bill is screwed up in the very least. I will try to keep my eye  
this one.
> >There are 2 state representatives which are in my area. I'm sure going  
to
> >voice my disapproval of this bill to them. Here are some of my reasons:
> 
> >One, it appears to be in violation of basic constitutional rights, as  
if that
> >would mean anything anyway. The bill's advocates are assuming that  
Blacks and
> >Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas) using drugs and on  
welfare.
> 
> Where do the assumptions about race come in?  This si the first I've
> heard of them.
> 
> >Two, the bill assumes, again that the Metropolitan areas (Philadelphia,  
Pitts-
> >burgh, etc) are where all the drug problems are. This, too, is wrong  
because
> >drugs are flowing freely across the state and the routes are thru many  
of the
> >small towns in Pa. 
> 
> Where do the assumptions about urban vs. rural come in?  Again, this
> si the first I've heard of them.
> -- 
>  
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
-----
> I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one  
else.

     Read Fred's original posting (<92208.014141FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>), in  
particular the sentence: "This same representative [Robert Flick  
R-Chester] feels that projects and other low income areas are where the  
drug problems are, and this bill will help clean up the problem." I  
imagine that the vast majority of housing projects are in urban, not  
rural, Pennsylvania (just like they are here in Wisconsin). As for "race",   
it's pretty clear to me that Fred's statement "The bill's advocates are  
assuming that Blacks and Puerto Ricans are the only one (in urban areas)  
using drugs and on welfare" implies that many of the residents of urban  
Pennsylvania housing projects are black or Puerto Rican.

Arthur Johnson
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: A MORNING MEDITATION 22
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jul 1992 08:07 EDT  

Hail to this day!



Peace,

Eric Overton
Bound for higher ground.
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Modern African-Americans need ISLAM
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:39:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.173421.951@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:

>     I agree that, in a religious text such as the Qur'an, words often  
>have both a literal and a metaphorical meaning. Given that the Prophet  
>Muhammed grew up in a slaveholding society, it shouldn't be surprising  
>that he would have used the term "slave" as a metaphor for someone who is  
>obedient to God, even himself. St. Paul uses the same literary technique  
>in his letters. But let's not forget the literal for the sake of the  
>metaphorical. My experience has been that religious people often try to  
>"spiritualize" away passages in their religious texts that they find  
>uncomfortable, thereby letting both themselves and the human founder of  
>the religion "off the hook". Whatever literary devices that the Prophet  
>Muhammed used to help him convey his Message, it is also true that, by  
>choosing to regulate the practice of slavery in _this world_ rather than  
>abolish it forthwith, he willingly engaged in a moral compromise. That is  
>the issue here. Let there be no mistake about where I stand: _Any_  
>compromise with slavery, in _any_ form, is unacceptable.

The Qur'an has a number of passages on slavery.  

1)  The Holy Qur'an mentions that slaves can be taken only in war.
This regulation of slavery is comparable to today's system of POWs.

2)  The Qur'an specifically asks people to free their slaves if the
slaves requst it.

I think if Muslims had faithfully followed the Qur'anic commandments,
slavery would have been virtually eliminated within a few generations
of the Prophet.

Note:  In addition to the divine verses of the Qur'an, we have historical
reports of the statements of the Prophet about slavery.  These mostly 
concern with the fact that slaves must be treated in a most humane way
and that they should not be beaten.   Freeing slaves is mentioned in
these reports as a means of atoning for ones' sins.   For example, if
you wrongly break your fast in Ramadan, you have to free so many slaves.

One should note that many of the closest associates of the Prophet 
were slaves or former slaves, amongst them the Black "Bilal" from 
Abyssinia.  He's the first person in Islam who performed the Call to 
the Prayers (adhan).

>Arthur Johnson

Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.215505.3338@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
$It looks like "Aretha" goes in the kill file.

Awww, come on!  You mean you don't want to continue to hear him sing?  I
wouldn't miss it for the world!

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
"Jeeeeah this is the rap about the bat batman he is the one in black like a bat
out of hell he will reveal SCREAMIN DOWN THE ROAD IN A BATMOBILE!!!!!!!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Death of Mary Wells
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.035028.20432@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
>In <92210.152440LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> <LSMITH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>>Berry Gordy may not be any sleazier than others in the industry, but his sleaze
>> is the product of his exploitation of his OWN PEOPLE, which does, in fact, mak
>>e him worse.
>
>
>The logical implication of what you say is that its better for a black
>man to rip off a white man than another black man.
>
>Is this what you mean?  If so, why?
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 

I disagree, from another mindset, It could also mean "Why would you rip
off your own, you should be promoting & making easier for your own,
especially due to the years of BS our entertainers had to go through
just to make a record".

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Cop Killer
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:31:29 GMT

So Ice-T pulled "Cop Killer" off the market. PR wins over artistic integrity.
I mean, Ornette Coleman he aint. This was creating too much of a stink...
might jeopardize those future $100 Million pictures.

But then, Ollie North gets up and says, "This is like Charles Manson
promising to never go back to the La Bianca home again to commit a
killing." Have you been smoking crack again, Ollie?
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Refocus of Discussion of Islam (Was Re: Islam and America's Inner-Cities)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:31:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cco.1992Jul21.153154.11787
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Jul17.225529.29969@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> afadel@nyx.UUCP (Ayman Fadel) writes:
>For muslims, Islam should not become a tool of liberation, nor
>a sense of identity nor an emblem of nationalism.  It should be
>the way of life which, if followed correctly and sincerely,
>leads to success (the gaining of paradise and the avoiding of
>Hell) in the next life.  If, in the course of following the religion properly,
>Allah blesses individual muslims or groups of muslims with
>worldly success (liberation, freedom from colonialism, wealth),
>then this is a secondary matter.

Of course, Islam is a tool of liberation.  And, of course, Muslims 
have a duty to worry not only about the hereafter, but also about 
this world.  In fact, what we attain in the hereafter, we are
told by the Holy Qur'an, depends on how we organize our lives in this
world.

From day one, the social message of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) went hand 
in hand with his theological message.  In Mecca, at the same time that
he announced the Unity of God and denounced pagan idolatry, he also 
reprimanded the greed of the pagans, their mistreatment of the poor and
the orphans, and their burrying alive of female infants, and their 
dishonesty when dealing with others.   This is perhaps more evident if
we consider the Medinan Muslim society.   Social justice is an integral part 
of Islam and it cannot be separated from its theological aspects.  

Complete adherence to Islam will create social justice and liberation.  
Conversely, *perfect* liberation and social justice cannot be achieved
without Islam.

Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.155327.17632@seq.uncwil.edu>
frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>Sure, all of these weren't perfect measures, but all you do is whine
>and criticize efforts that have made AMERICA THE BEST PLACE IN THE
>WORLD FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE. I defy you to name a better place
>in this world for Black people to live.

You are butt naked in the middle of a blizzard. In front of you are two holes
for you to jump into.

One contains cold horse shit.

One contains warm horse shit.

Choose.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
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