From: johnsd2@jec327.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Reply-To: johnsd2@jec327.its.rpi.edu.its1
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:16:30 GMT

In article 722000906@gmd.de, strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) writes:
>In <#aw1bwg@rpi.edu> johnsd2@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
>
>>In article 7M8@news.cso.uiuc.edu, rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes:
>
>[...]
>>>
>>>From Byte Magazine October 92:
>>>
>>>Dell 466DE i486DX2 66 MHz 
>>>8 MB RAM, 230MB IDE HDD, 6 EISA slots, 128K cache, accel. video,
>>>15" 1024X768 .28 monitor, one floppy drive, MSDOS 5.0 -------------$3899
>
>>How deep is that monitor? 
>
>The color depth is a feature of the video interface, not the monitor,
>right?

Right, sorry. How deep is the card? :)

>>What sort of floppy drive? 
>
>Most probably a 1,44 MByte 3-1/2" drive.

Hmmm... which formats can those guys read?
(I get confused with all the PC formats. This is probably
common knowledge, but I dont have it anyway..)

>>It doens't
>>include windows? What warranty and suchlike? How's the documentation
>>and setup and so on for this computer? Mouse? What ports
>>does it have (if any)?
>
>Most Dell computers have one parallel and two serial interfaces. 
>This may have changed - I bought my last DELL computer years ago -,
>but I doubt it. Add another 50 $ for these interfaces, if you like.

Ok.

>>>Gateway i486DX2 66 MHz
>>>8 MB RAM, 340MB SCSI HDD, 6 EISA slots, 128K cache, accel. video,
>>>14" 1024X768 .28 monitor, two floppy drives, MSDOS 5.0, Windows3.1, mouse
>>>and choice of software (Excel, Word, Powerpoint, TPW, paradox) ----$3995
>
>>Basically the same questions; but this one has windows. :)
>
>>>cheap clone
>>>Comtrade 486 EISA advantage i486DX2 66 MHz
>>>4 MB RAM, 130MB IDE HDD,              , 64K cache, accel. local bus video,
>>>14" 1024X768 .28 monitor, two floppy drives, MSDOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, mouse
>>>							      -----$2375
>
>>Dat is a cheap clone!
>>This one has a mouse too!
>
>>>Apple Quadra 950 M040 33 MHz (Note: educational price at UIUC)
>>>8 MB RAM, 400MB HD, 5 NuBus slots, one floppy drive, mouse,
>>>system 7 ----------------------------------------------------------$5952
>
>>I already know about this guy. (you forgot to mention various other
>>things it has like ethernet, builtin video [you did mention the video
>>cards on above clones!], sound, etc. And I think it has a PDS slot too.
>
>But he mentioned "accel. video" for all the computers but the "cheap
>clone" one, and in the description for that one he said: "accel. 
>local bus video"!

Right.

Odd that he left it off of the Quadra, which also has it.

[deletia- resources explained]

>>>>And I meant that programs can't edit their own resources, or use
>>>>resources in the files they make. They are actually rather handy
>>>>little things.
>>>
>>>They can.
>
>>I dont think so. MS-DOS does not have a resource fork, right?
>
>Doesn't matter. A program can't attach a resource to a data file,
>that's true, because MSDOS doesn't have multiple streams of data in
>one file. But you specifically said "can't edit THEIR OWN RESOURCES",
>i.e. resources attached to the executable. The New Executable format
>used for Windows and OS/2 programs is quite well defined, and 
>has both a code and a resource part.

Oh ok; You just said "they can" and I thought you meant all of that
stuff.

So apps can change their own resources; I understand there is no
system support for this- wouldn't that make it quite tricky?
Is it done much?

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			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

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