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From: dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:10:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.065129.28836@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.035809.6239@europa.lonestar.org> tom@europa.lonestar.org 
> (Tom Kimball) writes:
> 
>    > I also thought the city would be renamed Petrograd rather than
>    > St. Petersburg.  That was the name of the city immediately
>    > preceding the change to Leningrad (1914-1922).
> 
> Gee...and all this time I thought that Petrograd was Russian for (Saint)
> Petersburg...or rather, that St Petersburg was American for Petrograd...sort
> of like how we call the Schwartzwald the Black Forest.

If memory serves, the original Russian was Sankt Pyotrborg, where -borg is
taken from the Swedish style of naming towns.  The anti-Swedish sentiment
caused it to change from Sankt Pyotrborg to Pyotrograd.  St Petersburg
is merely the English for Sankt Pyotrborg.  (Note in Cyrillic, 'yo' is
written with an e", for the non-Russian newsgroups.)

Dave.
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Confederation of the Mountain Peoples
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:36:55 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


>In article <715542639@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>>
>>Mikhail Verbitsky writes:
>>
>>>There are four kinds of different ethnic peoples in Abkhazia:
>>>Georgian-Mingrels (~20-30%) - supporters of Gamsahurdia,
>>>"real" Georgians - (~10-20%) - supporters of Tbilisi goverment
>>>Russians (~10-20%) - well, they are trying to move away now,
>>>       and support nobody in particular
>>>Abkhazians (~30-40%) - support Sukhumi goverment.

>>      Mingrelians are one of many subgroups which make up
>>      the Georgian nation.  They should not be distinguished
>>      from "real" (!!) Georgians.  


>I bet you never was in Georgia :) Georgians hate Mingrels
>almost as much as Russians - Jews. They say that Mingrels are,
>actually, Georgian Jews. They also blame Beria's atrocities on his
>Mingrelian ancestry and say that he hate Georgians because of that.



      You're contradicting yourself now, Misha.  You claimed that
      20-30% of the population of Abkhazia is made up of "Georgian-
      Mingrels" and now you propose that "Georgians hate Mingrels."
      Make up your mind!  I repeat my assertion that Mingrely
      are Georgians. Period.  Again, what the hell is a "real
      Georgian?"


>Of course, Gamsakhurdia enemies blame his sins on Mingrels,
>since he and his supporters are all Mingrels. Note that they could
>be easily distyinguished from Georgians by their appearence,
>and you'll get the whole picture.

>>       Moreover, Abkhaz constitute
>>      no more than 15% (or thereabouts) of the population of
>>      Abkhazia.

>And this is also bullshit. (I'll write the exact number next time
>I get near the library :)

>Misha.


      Sounds good.  Prepare to eat your words.


-- Eduard Wiener
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:57:33 GMT

"talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>I don't know what visa sheet you are talking about, but if, for instance,
>it is one written in English, so "nationality" means 'country of residence',
>and then "citizenship" is something different. When you are saying it being
>the first line, it's probably the case. "Ethnicity" ("natsional'nost'") was
>always fifth line in Soviet blank-sheets:-). Actually, I doubt that Russian
>authorities are so much interested in ethnicity of forein citizens. (Every-
>thing is posssible with x-soviet bureaucracy, though.)

I filled in the visa sheet in Finnish and in that form there were two
items "Kansallisuus:", which means ethnicity and "Kansalaisuus:", which
means citizenship. I don't know if the first item was a blunder by 
the translator, but people were instructed to write "Suomalainen" (a Finn)
as their nationality and "Suomen" (Finnish citizen) as their citizenship.

The Soviet authorities asked you all kinds of funny questions when you
crossed the border. In the customs inspection sheet there was a question
that asked if you were bringing weapons or ammunition. The exact amount
of money you were carrying had to be written both in numbers and in letters.

>Dmitry

Janne Kivela"
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:7785 soc.culture.soviet:7278
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Date: 9 Sep 1992 00:34:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep8.044354.15455@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
>Sorry, I did not know about Pitaevsky (though I am not sure
>about his ethnicity). Others you've named are dead. You
>cannot name more than one :), so your claim that there
>are Jewish academicians helping Academy to cure antisemitism
>are not substantional (to say it mildly). Probably I misunderstood
>your claim (which you have conviniently deleted :)

I do not know what claim you are talking about, but certanly it was
not mine. Although among about 10 academicians (including corr.'s), 
I know personally, there were no antisemits. One more dead Jewish academishian:
Shal'nikov. Actually, I can probably name more Jewish academishian,
if I really study the subject. My claim will be that "ne tak strashna
academia, kak ee maluut", at least physics and astronomy department.

Oh, two more alive: Ginsburg and Khalatnikov.

Yury


Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:7734 soc.culture.soviet:7165
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:53:34 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.soviet
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

While rape can be viewed as a grotesque form of expressing one's perceived
"machismo", it is a very narrow view. The majority of rapes are committed
against females, but this could be due to the fact that the overwhelming
majority of the world's population is heterosexual. In fact, according to a
forensic pathology handbook which I am holding now, homosexual rapes are, as a
rule, more brutal and much more likely to involve torture.

No flames, please. Picket the publisher and/or the bookstores.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    ////                               // 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:51:29 EDT

In article <1992Sep8.035809.6239@europa.lonestar.org> tom@europa.lonestar.org 
(Tom Kimball) writes:

   > I also thought the city would be renamed Petrograd rather than
   > St. Petersburg.  That was the name of the city immediately
   > preceding the change to Leningrad (1914-1922).

Gee...and all this time I thought that Petrograd was Russian for (Saint)
Petersburg...or rather, that St Petersburg was American for Petrograd...sort
of like how we call the Schwartzwald the Black Forest.

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Much noise for nothing?
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:19:29 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu) writes:
>  Who bothers about "precious" Estonian citizenship ?
>Those mysterious 5,000 ? The question is in civil rights
>violations in Baltics.

If you think that Russians in Estonia never should acquire
Estonian citizenship, and those who do are mysterious, then
I frankly don't understand much of your complaints. Or do you
think Estonia should give the right to vote in national elections 
to non-citizens?

 
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
IEEE Std 1042/1987
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: New York Times on Armenian Genocide
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:50:01 GMT

The New York Times, April 22, 1990. 
Section E, page 26, buttom column.

		THE EDITORIAL NOTEBOOK: ARMENIA, REMEMBERED.
	   	   Something terrible happenned in 1915.


		After 50 years, Moscow admits that Stalin ordered the killing
	of thousands of Polish officers in Katyn. After 40 years, a new 
	government in East Germany joins West Germany in acknowledging
	accountability for Hitler's crimes against the Jews. But after
	75 years, Turkey insists that charges charges of mass killings 
	of Armenians are grossly exaggerated by survivors and descendants.

		Indeed, the Turkish resentment is so vehement that the United
	States Senate drew back from approving a resolution designating 
	April 24 as a day of rememberance of "the Armenian Genocide of 1915-
	1923". 


        		    (to be continued)

				    ***

	Argic, let me guess - The New York Times editors were corrupt,
	they were bribed by Armenian terrorists, they were unconscious
	when writing this, they were on drugs, they were actually all
	Communists, Feminists and Environmentalists, they were turkophobes,
	actually it does not matter anyway, because ... "The Men Are Like
	That" .... "Professor Shaw" ..... "Boyadjian" .... help me here,
	would you? 

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.romania
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.romania
Subject: Re: "Moldavian" language and other musings
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:06:53 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu) writes:
>Would you, Sommarskog, like it
>or not, but they still consider themselves Moldovans.

Well, since they since live in Moldova that is not strange!
However, that does not exclude that they consider their
nationality to be Roumanian. Sure, if I hear that they do
not consider themselves to be Roumanian from realiable
sources, I'll rest my case.

>  There were no referendum in Crimea, as yet. 

There were, Viznuyk. If you concentrate you might even
remember it. Does December 1st 1991 (My God, doesn't
seems ages ago?) ring a bell?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
IEEE Std 1042/1987
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Romanian language
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:21:21 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:57:08 GMT
>From: Traian Mitrache <mitrache@GRINGO.USC.EDU>

>In article <1992Sep7.151716.21726@physics.ucla.edu>, viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu
> (Sergei Viznyuk) writes:
>|>
<|>    So the original script of the language in
>|> Bessarabia (nowdays Moldova) was Cyrillic until
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|> it was changed to Latin in 1918 after Romanian
>|> annexation of Bessarabia - may I suggest this
>|> as a conclusion to this discussion ?

>My dear Sergei try first to
>read a history book (others than those provided by the russian communist
>historians) and then maybe we could "talk".Just for your information, the latin
>script was used in Moldova before 1859,when they unified with Valachia.
                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry, Traian, what the hell has it to do with issue of Basarabian script?
Or you are claiming that Basarabia was unified with Valachia in 1859?


>	Regarding the appologies,i think you are the one who should appologie
>for the offense brought to the Romanian people and Romanian language,by trying
>to perpetuate this Stalinist ideea of the Romanian language being of slavic
                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>origine.
~~~~~~~~

This brith idea of yours was never claimed not only by our friend Sergei,
but not even by our most beloved and respected leader Iosif Vissarionovich.


>	Traian

Dmitry
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: CLINTON ON ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:00:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1861bmINN7p3@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:


> The INS lists 10,100 "immigrants" from Turkey for 1961-1970, well over
> 100/yr.  During that period and in 1971-1980 the percent of immigrants
> who were from Turkey held steady at about 0.3%.  Until someone can
> directly attack the claim that there are about a million ethnic Turks

The US Immigration law from circa 1902(?) dictated that the number
of emigrees to be permitted from various countries would be on the
basis of the proportion of the American population they constituted.
This meant that large proportions were allotted to northern Europe.
Countries whose nationals had very small populations in the USA
were allotted 100 persons each. Turkey was one of these.

The law was not changed until 1968 (?) in which priorities were
given to relatives of American citizens.

Turkey did not start sending out workers/immigrants to anywhere
until it joined NATO (and thus the western world) around 1950.
The statistics you're citing have to do with engineers/doctors
coming to the USA on work visas and becoming permanent residents.
They took advantage of the labor laws like many others such
as Indians, Chinese.
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: What's all this talk about Multu?
Summary: rumors
Keywords: Huhh?
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:33:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Totally Disorganized..

Can some body fill me in on what is going on with all this "multu is
missing" stuff? Is it plain rumor or actual? Infomation would be useful. 

What's going on in Iraq?, Saddam Insane (Hussien) has been too silent
latley! info would be usefull!.
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:7896 soc.culture.soviet:7559
From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 18:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.171957.29426@ugle.unit.no> pakstas@idt.unit.no (Algirdas Pakstas) writes:
>In article <01GOFQ9FCU4W8ZE0DW@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (SERGEI VIZNYUK) writes:
>
>|> > Nagorno-Karabagh belongs to the people who live there. If the
>|> > majority of them want to be part of Azerbaijan, Qarebagh also
>|> > belongs to Azerbaijan. However, apparently people in Artsakh
>|> > does not want to be part of Azerbaijan.
>|> > --
>|> > Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>|> > F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
>
>I think that more presicely Nagorno-Karabagh belongs to Armenia
>because it IS historical armenian lands, because it is populated by
>Armenians (who want to join to Armenia) and because current situation
>that Nagorno-Karabagh belongs to Azerbaijan is just usual result of
>Stalin' internal policy: "divide and dominate".
>
>|>   Now, after reading what you wrote, dear Erland, may ask
>|> you to repeat the statement above (but only if you consider youself
>|> as honest person), but with some changes in names, as e.g.:
>|> 
>|> 1. Narva region of Estonia belongs to the people who live there. If the
>|>    majority of them want to be part of Estonia, Narva also
>|>    belongs to Estonia. However, apparently people in Narva
>|>    does not want to be part of Estonia.
>
>Was Narva part of historical russian lands? No...
>
  May I ask you to specify who else could claim Narva
as their historical lands ?  Chinese ? Ah, I see, -Sweden !

>Was Narva populated by Russians because it was part of Lenin's
>national politics? Yes...

  Very precious combination of total ignorance with nationalist
hatred. Apparently this guy thinks that Lenin stacked Narva
with Russians before giving it away to Estonia in 1918-1920.


>
>Are Estonians who lives in Narva region interested to be with Estonia? Yes!

  Maybe, if you could find any Estonians there at all.
All other "population" of Narva region experience strong
desire NOT to be with Estonia.

>_______________________________________________________________
>Algirdas.Pakstas@idt.unit.no                  NTH IDT
>Ph.: +47-7-594485                             N-7034, Trondheim
>FAX: +47-7-594466                             Norway
>
>Disclaimer: all opinions are my personal, employer can disagree
>_______________________________________________________________

S.V.
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:57:43 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:10:23 GMT
>From: dsturm@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU


>If memory serves, the original Russian was Sankt Pyotrborg, where -borg is
>taken from the Swedish style of naming towns.  The anti-Swedish sentiment
>caused it to change from Sankt Pyotrborg to Pyotrograd.  St Petersburg
>is merely the English for Sankt Pyotrborg.  (Note in Cyrillic, 'yo' is
>written with an e", for the non-Russian newsgroups.)

The original Russian was Sankt Piterburkh, where -burkh is taken from the
Dutch style of naming towns. Then it was switched to German style of Sankt
Peterburg soon. St Petersburg is merely the English for Sankt Peterburg.
The anti-German sentiment during the WWI caused it to change from Sankt
Peterburg to Petrograd in 1914. (Note in Cyrillic, 'e' is denoting 'e' here,
not 'yo' (e"), for the non-Russian newsgroups.)
From: KOROTKOV@auducvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:08:34 EDT
>From: Dmitri Leschiner <dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM>

>>Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:12:00 CST
>>From: KOROTKOV%AUDUCVAX.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU

>>being a Russian I NEVER in my life supressed a single Jew!!!

>Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

>How could you miss it????????????????????????

I could not help it. I aknowledge that I am miserable poor little thing.
Forgive me please!!!!!!! Will you???????
Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:7814 soc.culture.soviet:7447
From: polyakov@pion.rutgers.edu (Dimitri Polyakov)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: A GDE ZH NASH DOROGOI TOVARISHCH ???
Keywords: MUTLA MUDLA turok
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:44:11 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.soviet
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Ha!You all look a bit naive,my dears.This all is nothing but illusion.
Etot turetskii buterbrod esche vam vsem pokazhet!
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:46:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Sep.10.19.10.58.1992.2420@ruhets.rutgers.edu> polyakov@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Dimitri Polyakov) writes:
>And as for me,my dear friends,I must confess,that,being Jewish,
>I supressed several Jews in my life.So,don't forgive KOROTKOV.
>Forgive me.I'm worse than him.
>         Sincerely yours,
>                            Dimitri.

 So you must be an antisemite. Might be you even like Shafarevich,
or, worse, Belov. And might be you even read Solzhenitsyn? And
after all that you ask for forgiveness? Aren't you a secret agent
of "Pamjat"? They sent you here to destroy American culture, didn't
they?

 S.B.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Much noise for nothing?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:22:38 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
: Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu) writes:
: >  Who bothers about "precious" Estonian citizenship ?
: >Those mysterious 5,000 ? The question is in civil rights
: >violations in Baltics.
: 
: If you think that Russians in Estonia never should acquire
: Estonian citizenship, and those who do are mysterious, then
: I frankly don't understand much of your complaints. Or do you
: think Estonia should give the right to vote in national elections 
: to non-citizens?
: 
Are there many nations in generally in the world where the non-
sitizens have the right to vote? I do not think very many.
Jarmo Ryyti


:  
: -- 
: Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
: "Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
: IEEE Std 1042/1987
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Lukin's execution.
Date: 12 Sep 1992 01:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

Does anybody knows more about Lukin's trial then it was published
in REF/RL report? 


RUSSIA ASKS PARDON FOR OFFICER CONDEMNED TO DEATH IN AZERBAIJAN.
Russian authorities have asked Azerbaijan to pardon an Russian
officer sentenced to death by the Azerbaijan Supreme Court's
military collegium on 31 August.  According to ITAR-TASS, the
Russian Defense Ministry and a public committee concerned with
servicemen's social rights appealed on 9 September to Azeri leaders
to stay the execution of Lieutenant Evgenii Lukin.  Lukin was in
charge of the guard at the Baku Military School on 7 September 1991
when it was attacked by an armed group seeking to obtain weapons in
the school's depot.  When the attackers failed to retreat in the
face of warning shots, Lukin ordered his men to shoot to kill.
Three attackers lost their lives. The Russians claim that Lukin
should have been tried by a Russian court. (Doug Clarke, RFE/RL
Inc.)

Sound's like extremely nasty from Azery to me. 	If information
and tone in the report is correct, looks like Russia should do something
about it. Anybody know how he got to azeries? Resigned from army and
stayed in there, or was in one of units, which went from USSR to Azery
army?

Yury

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