HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized

Steve Christensen <stevec@apple.com> writes:

>Matthew Melmon, mattm@apple.com writes:
>>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...
>>
>>Singer?  Actor?  Sports celebrity?  

>He's on Beverly Hills 90210...

Be sure to catch him hosting Saturday Night Live this weekend
(I think it's this coming weekend).  Maybe he'll do all the man
touching and kissing that he did last time he hosted
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:35:37 GMT

In article <ldoui0INNqp9@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff 
Dauber), apparently in a new persona, writes:
>
>3. The new comer decides to take another tack.  He posts something with
>content.  The cabalistas continue to insult the new person, speaking in
>condescending tones.  By this time, however, the cabal members are not
>reading what is posted (yes, I am talking to you Jess).  They post in long
>pompous tones about how ignorant the person is.

Jeff is absolutely right about this.  

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From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ann Landers Is Appalling
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:04:52 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

Did anyone read the Ann Landers this morning?  For those
of you who did not, it was a classic closet case letter,
complaining that drag queens and leathermen keep them in
the closet.

Not only was the letter appalling, but so was the answer.

Someone should post it, with an address to write back, rebutting
his nonsense and her support of it.


ARGH!

FWA
From: kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:49:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kambo.wpd.sgi.com

After the discussion of how red ribbons have become a meaningless
fashion statement, I found this tidbit interesting:

> (Indianapolis, Indiana) National Red Ribbon Week which promotes the
> awareness of illegal substance abuse, will be October 24th through
> November 1st.  Organized by the National Federation of Parents for
> Drug-Free Youth Incorporation, this year's theme will be ``Drug Free
> and Proud.'' Activities are planned in numerous communities around
> the state.
> 
> Lots of red ribbons will be showing on public buildings, businesses
> and the lapels of people supporting the effort.

- Ken
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 15:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.004120.12791@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A
Usenet Pal) writes:

>Some people I consider to be cultural icons:

>  	Marilyn Monroe
>	Madonna
>	James Dean
>	Elvis Presley


>The thing I think these all have in common is that they are either living or
>died recently enough that many people can still remember them.  They all have
>something, well, unique, about them, something that you could point to and
>say, "Yes, THAT is so and so," even if you couldn't describe what it is.

The question is, if someone appropriates another's iconic schtick, how
iconic does that leave them?  If Madonna borrows Marilyn, and Presley
borrows Dean, doesn't that make the ur-icon somehow more iconic?

Moreover, a lot of your list are just people who are generally
recognizable. Is Tammy Faye Bakker an icon because we know who she is? 
Isn't there a requirement somewhere that some of us want to *be* who
she is?   Perhaps certain people like Nixon are anti-icons, but I think
mostly you aren't drawing a clear distinction between the iconic and
the merely famous.  If we take this point of view, Bogie belongs on
your list, for instance; but John Wayne probably doesn't, and Bonzo
certainly doesn't.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Would someone repost the "questions for heterosexuals?"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 21:23:10 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.180922.6734@Princeton.EDU>
spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:

Please forgive my skipping the real substance of your
posting, other than to say welcome and greet your with
a quip:

>Flames will be ignored; civil, thoughtful replies and
>criticisms are welcomed.

What about extra special civil, thoughtful replies and
critcisms, which all my flames are?

-- 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:54:39 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <thaaang.719033806@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

Skipping over other good things John wrote, he here talks about
hating it when straight "friends" do this:

>When they're embarassed, but don't really take it seriously
>when they call someone a queer and you object ('well, it
>slipped!  Please, I didn't mean it *that* way.)?

Amen to that, brother.  A story:

The day before my mother died, I was sitting on the front
stoop of the hospice with one of the hospice workers, having
a smoke.  This woman was about 32, incredibly energetic,
very pleasant, and really competent in the work, and into
the kind of new-agey stuff that I like, and we were having a
light-hearted fun conversation, and it had been revealed in
earlier remarks that I was gay.

So we're sitting there, shootin' the shit, and incidentally
waiting for my brother to arrive from California.  He's a
Republican, so that gets us on the topic of Bush, and
instantly this person (at the moment I've repressed her
name) blurts right out, with genuine contempt, "That Bush is
such a faggot!"

Not to break my arm patting myself on the back or anything,
but given the emotional state I was in over my mom's dying a
few feet away, I thought I managed a fairly decent response.

She said at once, "Ohmygod, I'm sorry, I don't know what
made me say that," and I'm sure she was *genuinely*
flustered.  I flicked my cigaret butt with the unconscious
expertise of many years' practice neatly into the gutter
about 20 feet away, stood up, and said, "Yeah, well I *do*
know what made you say it, and I guess you better work on it
until you know too."

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From: hrpsam01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:12:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Oct16.071207.203123
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct12.234259.10176@gallant.apple.com>, stevec@apple.com (Steve Christensen) writes:
> Matthew Melmon, mattm@apple.com writes:
>>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...
>>
>>Singer?  Actor?  Sports celebrity?  
> 
> He's on Beverly Hills 90210...
> 
> steve
The one who freaks his family out for making love to his girlfriend from some
small town....and then reassures his father "Don't worry, we were careful"
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:32:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <Bw68Dt.34z@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> I heard on Joan Rivers' show this morning that the white ribbon are
> symbolic of support for breast cancer research.  October is supposed
> to be Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

     THAT was what Marilyn Potatoehead said the PINK ribbon was for -- Raising
awareness that women should have periodic examinations to check for breast
cancer.

-- 

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:37:24 GMT

>In article <1992Oct14.112359.20506@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
>>I noticed last night before the VP debate, when the families 
>>of the candidates were being seated, that Marilyn Quayle was
>>proudly wearing a pink, perhaps white, ribbon on her lapel.
>>
>>Is there any speculation as to what THAT was all about?

I noticed that too.  I was wondering if it meant pro-virginity. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.185650.13087@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Everbody,
>Allan Bloom, author of "Closing of the American Mind" died yesterday.
>The reason I'm posting this to soc.motss is that he was widely rumored
>to be gay.  Some of my acquaintances had run into him at gay men's 
>parties, a professor pointed out to me the man who was his lover.
>
I will confirm the rumor. When I was a student at Loyola University
of Chicago, I participated in a seminar on the late Platonic writings
under Allan Bloom's direction and after six months I learned that 
no male student would place Bloom on his doctoral committee in the
Committee on Social Thought program unless he could tolerate/enjoy
Bloom's advances. Granted, this was told to me by other graduate
students and not Bloom himself, but the accounts I had were from several
sources.

>After the anti-gay rhetoric of the Republican convention, I think it is
>important for closeted gay conservatives to be outed.  Bloom, like
>Phyllis Schlafly's son, never said any thing bad about gays, just about
>the lesbigay movement.  So he wasn't exactly a hypocrite, but still ...
>
I disagree. I can only imagine that Bloom was irritated by things
modern in general. He was not part of the curriculum battles (although
invoked often by Bill Bennett) and refused to participate in righ wing
policy efforts. Bloom, I think, fancied himself a Socratic figure who
saw his male students as potential Alcibiades. It would be sad if
a somewhat eccentric scholar who didn't really understand political
activism in general was posthumously subjected to outing. If he
had acted hypocritically, a case might be made.
-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:38:32 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <24153@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com (Christina Black) writes:
>
>Watch it with Elbow Grease -- I believe that at least one of their
>formulations contains actual grease and is thus not condom-compatible.
>Check the label.

The new one, Elbow Grease Gel, is ok. The regular formula, as
well as Shaft, Hot, Natural Lube, and anything else that looks
like Crisco, is, basically, Crisco. Of course, they're ok for
use with toys....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Xref: sparky soc.motss:43671 talk.politics.misc:52627 ca.politics:8747
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: de-muffining
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:48:29 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Oct16.041059.11386@sol.UVic.CA> dcunning@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>A few facts about myself :
>- I'm 18 years old, still a virgin and not terribly sure about myself.


The only people who are very sure of themselves at this age are the ones
who are wrong.

>- I've known for most of my life that I'm gay.
>- I've hidden the fact that I'm gay from almost everyone, except for a couple of very understanding friends, for most of my life.

I suspect in time, you'll get more comfortable about being out to most
everyone

>- I've have been "out" at my university for about five weeks, with the help of a very supporting group.
>- I'm going to my first gay dance tomorrow night.

Have a good time.  
>

>I'm still not sure why I'm saying all of this, but if anyone has had a similar experience, or just wants to talk, please e-mail me.

Most people here have had a similar experience.  It comes with the territory.

>Flamers need not respond to this article.

Believe it or not, you normally have to say something rude or clueless to
get flamed.


Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:42:15 GMT

In article <1b5lkfINNnbr@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>   This idea of the date 'homosexuality' as a term
>> was invented is promoted by David Halperin in his book (that's right)
>> 'One Hundred Years of Homosexuality'. Halperin claims the inventor of
>> the term is Charles Gilbert Chaddock.
>
>No, no, no, no, no.  Halperin claims that Charles Gilbert Chaddock
>is the inventor of homosexuality *itself*.  The opening sentence
>of Halperin's silly 'One Hundred Years of Homosexuality':
>[omitted]
>That is one of the most absurd sentences I've ever read in any
>essay with scholarly pretensions.

If you want to read scholarly bitchiness of the highest order, even
Pagliaphobics have to read her savage review of Halperin's _100YoH_ in
the Spring 1991 copy of Arion.  It's also been reprinted for a wider
readership in her latest collection of essays, _Sex, Art and American
Culture_ (which I've bought but hadn't opened yet, but I figured there
was _no way_ that essay could have been omitted, and checking the TOC,
I was right.)  Its title is "Junk Bonds and Corporate Raiders: Academe
in the Hour of the Wolf."  It's almost painful to read as she aims for
the soft underbelly of his intellectual endeavors, meaning that it's
also a lot of fun to read, if your name isn't Halperin.

Now, I went back to Halperin's book after reading her review, and
it wasn't quite as preposterous as she asserts; I mean he's a social
constructionist to begin with, so you have a certain context in which
to read it.  I didn't even think that Halperin's own interview with
himself was dumb.  But it is written in a turgid fake-scholarly style,
over-footnoted and terribly insular.  For all I know, this is standard
practice for papers in the humanities these days.

He gave a lecture to Harvard gay groups a few years ago which Ron Rizzo
and I attended, and he cuts a rather handsome and dashing figure in the
lecture hall, which made his constructionist points just that much more
palatable.

>Halperin's own second footnote
>informs us that the word "homosexualitaet", which is what Chaddock
>rendered in English as "homosexuality", first appeared in print
>in 1869.  So what I want to know is this:  does something not
>exist until there's a word for it *in* *English*?

You eththenthialithtth are all alike.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: waal@cwi.nl (Peter de Waal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna offers haven to Diana
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:32:12 GMT

coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

>Yet another delightfully transformed subject!

Indeed. Let's try to keep this subject line and see where we end up!

>In article <1992Oct7.145129.23359@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> Just now it's absolutely perfect here.  Clear, high-pressure
>> days, fall colors starting to peak, light breeze, 50
>> degrees, highs about 60.  This is my favorite season, *by
>> far*

I assume this is a fragment of Jess' reply to my post inquiring about
the Wisconsin weather. (Our newsfeed is really the pits these days: we
seem to loose 25% of all newsarticles, while the eunet backbone
machine is about 5 feet away from our newsserver!). Anyway, I am glad
the weather is OK over there. Here in the Lowlands the temperature has
dropped to the 50's, and we also have strong winds which make you
think it's freezing already. My favourite seasons are summer and
winter. Fall and spring are usually too wet and windy.

>> and here I am on my back unable to really get out and
>> enjoy it.

I am sorry to hear that. Get well soon.

>[some Wisconsin winter]
>> more than a week with the *highs* below zero, the
>> nights in the -20 to -25 range.

Brrrrrrrrrrr,

--- Peter de Waal, CWI, Amstyerdam --- 
"It happens sometimes -- people just explode.  Natural causes."
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:47:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 pdcc.com>  <67402@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct11.231743.849@calmasd.prime.com>

Jim Bishop writes:
>> And I still think that "Call Me" simply HAS to be one of the best
>> songs to dance to ever recorded. [NOT "dance songs," however.]
>
>Well, I doubt your appreciation spills over to "American Gigolo" that
>featured "Call Me" during the opening credits.  The Richard Gere

Of course not.   ;-)

When the gerbilling rumours about Gere were at their height, a
rather talented local artist I'm acquainted with re-created the
movie poster of one of Gere's movies as _An Officer And A
Gerbilman_ -- with ALL the characters except Gere done as
gerbils, *including* one of Louis Gossett Jr. as a baldheaded
gerbil in uniform.

Certainly the most amusment *I'VE* ever gotten out of Mr. Gere.

And the fortunes and/or quality of the song have little to do with
movies they might get attached to.  F'r example, I didn't hear
much good of _About Last Night_, but I'm rather fond of the song
_So Far, So Good_ that Sheena Easton contibuted to the
soundtrack.  And the *abysmal* _The Legend Of Billie Jean_ gave
us Pat Benatar's _Invincible_.
 
() I think *true* happiness can only be found in the wanton
() indulgence of animals.
()      -- Hobbes, "Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson)
-----
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:08:11 GMT

In article <ROBERTL.92Oct11030341@luciano.Stanford.EDU> 
robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:
>
>But I've never read the Bible, so all Biblical allusions are
>meaningless!  

No.  The Bible is too deeply embedded in our culture (and all latin,
germanic, and slavic cultures, and others as well) to escape its influence,
even if you're never read it. 


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From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:39:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <BvspML.Gz5@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim
Pierce) wrote:

> In article <1992Oct6.180650.810@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:

> >Just this week Tim Pierce has told us that he will
> >be 22 on November 11.

> 12.

*Really*? You're only going to be 12 on November 11??!

But you seem so much more *mature* than that...!  :-)

> ____ Tim Pierce


TDO
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.032945.22479@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <15954@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>>Gary Klein, bear at heart (gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu) first wrote:
>>> > Would anyone like me to explain why I still have a unopened package of
>>> > bungee cords still sitting in the trunk of my car?
>> 
>>Easy: you've been waiting for the latest issue of _BEAR_ to arrive, which you
>>obviously haven't *read* yet.
>
>Damn, I was about to make Gary an offer for those cords!!!
>Anyone have some leather thongs handy, too?

you folkx saying you all happen to already have the candypink object with
a "large base" lying around?

me, i just have about 20 bungies of various lengths and elasticities and
a chair.

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