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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:26:40 GMT

>>We don't talk about it because it looks bad; for the same reason we don't talk
>>about domestic violence in same-sex couples, same-sex rape amongst openly gay/
>>les/bi folk, alcoholism in the community, etc.

>Maybe those things aren't talked about wherever the hell you are, but they
>are certainly discussed in the San Francisco Bay area. 

And, of course, SF is firmly located in the backwater of the movement. :-)

So, HOW are they being talked about, what are people learning, what resources are becoming available?  Those of us in the rest of the world (or maybe just me) 
would like to know.

Joe
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: State Appeals Amendment 2 Ruling (Boulder's Daily Camera article)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:53:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



The following article is from Daily Camera (Boulder, Colorado), 
Jan 20, 1993.

Article is reprinted here without permission:

======================================================================

"As promised, state appeals ruling on '2'"

By Linda Cornett


   As promised, the Attorney General's Office on Tuesday asked the
Colorado Supreme Court to overturn a district court injunction
against Amendment 2.

   The injunction issued Friday by Denver District Judge Jeffery
Bayless was "extraordinary" and based on "novel legal theories,"
according to motions signed by Deputy Attorney General Paul Farley.

   The Attorney General's Office also has asked Bayless to grant a
"stay" of his own injunction, reminding Bayless that his injunction
prohibits the enforcement of a voter-approved amendment to the Colorado
constitution and that this is an issue on which there is no specific
legal precedent.

   Voters on Nov. 3 approved Amendment 2, which prohibits laws or
policies protecting homosexuals and bisexuals from discrimination
based on their sexual orientation.

   Opponents, including the cities of Boulder, Aspen and Denver,
filed suit in district court, charging that the amendment is
unconstitutional. They also asked the court for an injunction to
prevent the amendment from going into effect while the lengthy court
challenge is played out.

   Following a four-day hearing, Bayless did so, saying that he
believed there was a good chance the amendment will be overturned.

   Less than two hours later, Gov. Roy Romer and Attorney General
Gale Norton announced they would appeal the decision. Norton and
Romer were named in the lawsuit because they are charged with
enforcing the new law.

   The Attorney General's Office also has asked the Supreme Court
to hurry its ruling on the appeal. "This is an extraordinary step,
and directly implicates the right of the people of the state of
Colorado to self-government," the motion states.

   Bayless' decision on a stay is expected within a day or two. It
is unknown when the Supreme Court will take up the appeal, according
to a court clerk.

-end of article-
======================================================================

By the way, Bayless has refused to change his ruling.  So now it
is up to the state Supreme Court (on appeal).

-maria
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stonewall in perspective (was: Year of the Queer)
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:28:57 GMT
	<1993Jan12.182645.16870@psych.toronto.edu>
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Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <C0tyDF.JDB@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

   The date: May 15, 1897.  The place: Berlin, Germany.  Magnus Hirschfeld
   founds the world's *first* homosexual emancipation organization, the
   Scientific Humanitarian Committee.

[lots of German history deleted]

I recently the first in a series of BBC documentaries (called "Out
Now"?  Well, 'Out' was one of the two words...), which documents the
history you've mentioned.

Very interesting stuff.  And you're right -- America was not the first
to address these issues, and up to today remains behind some other
countries.

For instance, there is speculation that a number of European countries
may legalize gay marriage (and of course, at least one already has) in
the near future.  We're DECADES from that, most likely...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:14:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.224239.7347@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu>, alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>> AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!
>> (and if you, like me, don't take milk with your tea, you must be some sort
>> of savage) 
>
>...which has the added "advantage" that by the time your gracious host
>hands you the cup it's too late to decline milk.

Which is why only the differently socially enabled would *ever* dream
of doing that.  Milk is correctly served in a milk jug, from which
you pour as much as you wish (or, indeed none) into the cup of tea
which your host has poured for you.

Do Americans think we're all *oiks*, what?

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Audrey
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:42:21 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) wrote:
> 
>Dolphie has spoken (not that I had any doubts...).  I think, perhaps,
>Miss Hepburn will still manage to sleep nights, though it is
>extremely unlikely the opinions of such cultural giants as Adolphson
>and (<snort>) Reaser will ever reach her ears.

I don't think she has any trouble sleeping, and, from interviews, she 
definitely sides with the "cultural giants" on this one.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Challenge: Documentation of Nonpromiscuity
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:35:26 PST
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu
Distribution: world

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
> 
> On Asian gays, I never said Asian gays get laid less. I said Asians get
> less gay sex, which really means there are fewer Asian gays. Most
> surveys I've see show Asian gays have the same HIV+ rate as other gays.
> Given the lower rate of AIDS, that can only mean fewer gays in the Asian
> population.

Or it could mean that, in addition to that statistics course, you
should probably take a basic course in reasoning and logic.

I've been to quite a few gay bars and other gay spaces in various
large US cities with large Asian populations. I think you would have
problems trying *not* to run into large numbers of gay Asians. So many
that sometimes it's hard to imagine no more than 10% of Asians are gay.

Now, of course that doesn't prove that there aren't fewer Asian gays.
After all, maybe there *are* fewer Asian gays, and *all* of them
go out, all the time. (Or we do it with mirrors, or something.) 

Bill, in a silly Friday type of mood
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: APOLOGY (was Pick and Choose? (was Re: God is intolerant of sin!))
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:42:24 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Oops.  Someone pointed out over email that they didn't appreciate 
my moving this thread from alt.politics.homosexuality, and that
it didn't belong here. 

My apologies.  It was a simple error:  I post via email, and I seem
to have sent my contribution to the wrong group.  I had no intention
of moving the thread out of its original newsgroup.

So, PLEASE, direct any follow-ups to alt.politics.homosexuality
and follow the thread there if you wish.  (I don't know how to redirect
a thread, myself, or whether I can even do that, so I leave it to 
future contributors to not reply here.)

thanks.

-maria
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58345 soc.bi:19104 alt.sex.motss:2271 alt.support:1647
From: dbrownfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Doug Brownfield)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.sex.motss,alt.support
Subject: Re: HIV-negative survey (repost)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:07:28 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <74177@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>If you value your life, do not ever dare to suggest reducing the
>number of partners as a strategy to remain HIV free. To do so is
>homophobic, judgemental, and immoral. To cite studies that show
>the relationship between number of partners and HIV rate is also
>immoral. Do not discourage sex, or imply that there is such a thing
>as excessive amounts of sex. Just make sure you use condoms 100% of
>the time, and pray that the AIDS failure rate is better than the 10%
>pregnacy failure rate for condoms.

...well..at least you're getting closer to something with which I can agree..
like the dramatic touch...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:39:43 GMT

In the beginning was the word, and it was viola:
Ry wrote:
    >>>>[ ... ]  and viola, free subscription.
And I saw it and thought, "Oh, how cute of Ry," and read on.

But then Richard:
   >>>Oh, honestly, Ry.  Your sentiments are hardly so schmaltzy as to require
   >>>a string section for effect.
And Jess:
  >>These bushy-tailed busybodies are really something!  You
  >>know perfectly well he wasn't talking to you; he would have
  >>said Violet in that case, Shirley.
Prompting this from Ry:
 >And people wonder why I don't bother to proof my postings, think of
 >all the amusement we would have missed!


And here I thought he was doing it deliberately.  Ah, where do the
illusions go?

Here, Ry, have an eclair.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:00:21 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <18422@autodesk.COM>, by owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley):

[a good post about the nature of discrimination...]

> the way to deal with that is to get all-inclusive anti-unfair-discrimination
> ammendments passed, and passed soon.

This sounds too much like the arms race of yesteryear where
we first had missles, then anti-missle missles, then
anti- anti-missle missle missles, etc.  Why not just remove
the laws and policies that support discrimination e.g. the
ban on gays in the military, the inequalities created due to
the legal institution of marriage being available only to
straights, etc.  This would be more constructive, would make
for a smaller government, and would see less resistance from
those who are bigoted, ignorant, or fearful.

> I also think that the federal level, perhaps Bill Clinton himself,
> is the place to focus.

Perhaps, though the rate at which he has more similar to
Bush concerns me.
-- 
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"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:36:33 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <C19EIs.1Au@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>I think the IRS is looking into the 700 Club crowd as we speak.  The money 
>trail weaves a lot of places, but clearly they've been hiding behind their
>tax exempt status to do political organizing.  Even the US Government has
>begun to notice.

This is true... I remember hearing about the paper trail from the 700
club to Oregon in a LA Times article last year, but that was it.
Nothing else... not even in the glb press.  Anyone have more info?

-- 
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From: chris@central.cis.upenn.edu (Chris Sandy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Memorial Service for Dominic Bash in Philadelphia 1/30/93
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:08:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I got a phone call today from the president of Dignity/Philadelphia, Mary
Louise Cervone.  She called to tell me that our friend, Dominic Bash, had 
died on Sunday, January 24, 1993 after a long and painful struggle with the
A.I.D.S. virus.   Dominic was a member of Dignity/Philadelphia and one of its
past Dignity presidents.  He referred to himself as THE FOUNDRESS of
Dignity/Philadelphia. 

He had a beauty salon called THE ABBEY which was located at 2216 South St.   I
went through a period of wanting the perfect lesbian hair-style so I went to
Dominic and he said, "Don't worry honey, I'll take care of it."  He gave me
what he called the "contempo-lesbo look."  I just can't believe he's gone.  

St. Luke's and the Epiphany (on 13th St. between Pine and Spruce Streets in
Center City - Phila.) will be the location of his memorial service at 2pm on
Saturday, January 30, 1993.  Dignity/Philadelphia and St. Luke's will be
co-sponsoring it.   

I really hate that this is my first posting, but this has to be shared so that 
all of Dominic's friends will have an opportunity to come to his memorial
service and have a small sense of closure.
--Chris 

**********************************************************************
chris@central.cis.upenn.edu (Chris Sandy)
University of Pennsylvania
**********************************************************************

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:42:34 GMT


In article <66-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa
N.T. Murphy) writes, fortunately with good humor:
>In article <1993Jan25.113521.652@macc.wisc.edu>,

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>You boyz want numbers?  I'll give you numbers!  Well, nevermind,
>>[email response queue size]

>*chuckle* i can just imagine.  i wrote to you in late
>october/early november and haven't heard back yet...  B)

Nov. 11.  You're a long way from the bottom of the stack:
Aug 2, 1991.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:31:02 GMT

tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:

>If you age with the same flair and humor with which you write, you'll
>be lookin' mighty fine.

(titter) Flatterer! I'll get to *you* as soon as I'm done with Jess.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: ah505@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Quinby)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:05:31 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net


Gene Ward Smith writes:

"  Polling in
Kindergarten--could this technique prove useful?"

Look into the work of Ogden Lindsley  (sp?) who while at the
University of Kansas at Lawrence, found that there are many
corelates between the behavior of Kindergartners and behavior
in the real world at large. For instance he found that the rate
of physical aggression in a kendergarten classroom was
significantly correlated to the rate of reports of assult in
Kansas city. He also cound that the predictive value of 
kindergartners at national election time was quite good.

		Brian
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58211 soc.bi:18979
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:10:34 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Distribution: usa
Organization: DosBears

In article <1993Jan17.160648.11201@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>
>   The new product is Crystal Pepsi, devoid of any carmel colouring.


Carmel colouring? So that's how the brothers get their robes that
lovely brown colour... I wonder though, is regular Diet Pepsi
coloured with Carmelite?

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58047 soc.bi:18927
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:19:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> I'll be glad to give you a definitive answer to that.  Iced
> tea is a cool, refreshing drink on a summer day.  Cold
> coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
> wasn't that simple?

Iced tea.

Don't you see how short a step it is from that simple-and-seductive
pleasure to international-fascism-blackshirts-thumping-on-our-doors-
bring-out-yer-queers-so-we-can-kill-'em?

Make the connection, people!

Sheesh.

--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:03:17 GMT

In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>
>>(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
>>of cold milk;
>>
>AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!
>(and if you, like me, don't take milk with your tea, you must be some sort
>of savage) 

I've been told that "milk in first" considered rather "low class."
However, I consider it practical.  Putting the milk in the cup first, followed
by the teaspoon (bowl down), before pouring the tea ensures that any
stray tea leaves will go to the bottom of the cup.


-- Frank
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Smoke in gay bars
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:35:27 GMT

In article <thaaang.727543714@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> Hint for militant-non-smoker activism: use chewing tobacco. Hone
> your spitting skills.

  Gross.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
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From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Last Song
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:18:53 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <74178@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Just out of curiosity, what are the reviews of the new Elton John
>"Last Song" which seems to be about a father who's come to the side
>of a son dying of AIDS, perhaps after having shunned him for being
>gay.

A beautiful song. Elton's music has improved considerably since he
came out.  I'm so glad that he's given up the pseudo-heterosexual
life-style.

--Frank
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ode to Federal Express
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:41:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you THANK YOU for
having the taste to hire an absolute GORGEOUS blond bubble-butted
twink-o-rama of a man.  He looks like a young however-you-spell
Barishnikov.  With floppy blond hair.  And such buns!  And such
arms!  And I think I'm going to be ill...  The *frustration*
I got _very_ close, yes I did, in that _dark_ truck - just fascinated
by his little beeping stick.  Just _fascinated_, baby dolls. 

_Fascinated_

Ohhhh, I almost wish I had more RS/6000's to deal with, that 
I could have that yum-yum back in *my* building (which is not
the Squirrel's building - I *hate* *sharing*, yes I do...)

*X*
(Jason who?)
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Smoke in gay bars
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:59:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.172601.16385@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>, aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
>
> However, it still amazes me that smokers are allowed to inflict irritating
> fumes (much worse than the airborne "irritants" that make the LA
> authorities close elementary schools) on non-smokers. I'm very tempted to
> carry around a ghetto blaster with a tape of some really horrid German
> experimental electronic music, and turn it on at high volume whenever
> someone starts to smoke... Not that smokers are outside their civil
> rights, I'd just like to have a hobby that is equivalently annoying to
> others. ;-)
>
hee!  i LOVE it!  time to buy a ghetto blaster, preferably one that
plays CDs, so that i can blast Laibach at people (we have them on CD,
not tape), or Einsturzende Neubaten, but we don't have any of that, so
i'll have to acquire it first...  fun stuff, that...

                                                -ailsa