From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Planned Non-Parenthood? (to Rescorla)
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:21:44 GMT

In article <JBATES.93Jan22143622@pinocchio.encore.com> jbates@encore.com (John W. Bates) writes:
>On Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:53:58 GMT, mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) said:
>In article <1993Jan22.055358.12827@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan21.232455.12271@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>>In article <nyikos.727652969@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>>In <1993Jan21.000136.29987@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>
>>>I don't know what you are implying, Mr. Nyikos. 
>>>I can think of many reasons why this would be so that do not include
>>>improper practices or pressure on the part of PPFA.
>>>
>> The obviuous conclusion is that people are going to PP because they
>> have decided they want an abortion. Sadly, PHoney prefers conspiracy
>> theories to the obvious answer.
>
>>>>> As far as
>>>>>I know, abortions are not particularly lucrative. Ob/Gyn's get
>>>>>much more money for a birth than for an abortion.
>>>>Figures, please.
>>>I don't have them, though I've seen them posted on talk.abortion
>>>before, but can't substantiate the claim right now. Retracted.
>>>
>> A normal delivery runs $2000-3000. A planned cesarean runs about
>> $5000. An unplanned section is just about double that. Halting
>> premature labor runs form a few thousand on up, depending on the case.
>> Premature birth costs up to about $5000 a day for NICU care. Length of
>> stay, obviously, is widely variable, and never cheap.
>
>You need to look at it from the angle of a conspiracy theorist, Mark.
>
>If you are an Ob/Gyn, you can make, say, $3000 off of a pregnant woman.
>But it takes nine months. How many abortions could the evil abortionist
>perform on that same woman in nine months? Figure, oh, four, maybe five,
>if one was detected early enough. That's almost $4000. And if he (always
>a he) could manage to mutilate the woman, well, that's some extra business
>for his cousin.
>
Of course, this particular Conspiracy Theory requires that the woman
in question be as fertile as a rabbit. Not true of course, but that
won't stop the Consiracy Theorists... 

>That's why abortionists actually want everybody to have sex, all the time.
>That's why PP encourages the use of birth control. They want people to
>think that sex is OK, so people will have more abortions. Of course, we
>all know that the birth control they promote doesn't really work, right?
>The only real way to avoid pregnancy is to practice NFP, right? But
>they don't want *us* to know about that, so they publish false results.
>
>Then there are the *really* evil abortionists, who are actually Satanists
>employed by the CIA, and who don't care about the money. They encourage
>people to get pregnant, and then tell them that their baby is deformed,
>or their health is at risk, just so that the abortionist can have the 
>pleasure of crushing the baby's skull! Pop, *squish*! They also keep
>a supply of rusty nails on hand, in case the woman objects.
>
>It's amazing how often discussions with Nyikos seem to degenerate into
>this kind of ludicrous reasoning. 
>
You're doing a fine job of explaining how his 'mind' works. You
been visiting your local mental hospital and studying the patients?

>>>>And be careful not to count 9 months of prenatal care in the costs.
>>>Why not? Doctors get paid to do it.
>>>
>> PHoney is overlooking the simple fact that most OB's have a single
>> price which includes prenatal care and delivery.
>
>You just have to understand how the conspiracy theorist thinks. Sit
>in your bedroom alone for a while. Think to yourself, "They're all out
>to get me. Everybody is out to get me." Do this over and over, several
>times a day. Start turning around suddenly, to see who's watching you.
>You'd be amazed at how quickly you can begin to understand Nyikos' ideas.
>
I don't think I want to understand him that well...

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