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From: walter@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Walter Obermiller)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: TAT (Theoretical Astrophysics Tuebingen), U. of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:56:52 GMT

mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (The Amazing Immolating Man) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.165611.457@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
.....
>And they have the coolest ads on KBVR, too... (The OSU radio station)

not to mention the good music on KRVM Eugene's evening jazz....
    sigh!

walter

walter@mira.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
former 'part-time' oregonian on loan to UO.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: jsteiner@reed.edu (Jon Edward Steiner)
Subject: Re: What is there to DO in Portland?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.103633.15756@muddcs.claremont.edu> dfoster@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek R. Foster) writes:
>My home is Milwaukie (note for the geographically challenged: Milwaukie
>is the suburb to the south of Portland.) During the summers
>and Christmas break, my friends and I (usually about 4-6 people) get
>together and, as always, the perennial question pops up:
>
>   What is there to DO in Portland?
>
>Now there are some qualifiers to this. Up until recently, for instance,
>some of us were underage. (now, no longer true.) We have transportation
>to most of Portland (cars, and the *excellent* tri-met bus system.)
>What we don't have are: 1) Lots of money. 2) A desire to consume a lot of
>(any?) alcohol. We have found that finding an interesting evening's worth
>of entertainment in the Portland area is rather difficult, given
>those constraints. (Anyone who wonders what attraction gangs have in Portland
>has never tried to find, as an 18-year-old, something to do on a weekday
>night.) We would prefer something that involved us as people, rather than
>a "show" that we simply sat down and watched. (after all, the whole purpose
>of our getting together is to renew the acquaintances that lapse when we
>are at our separate schools.)
>
>So, what does Portland have to offer? What UNUSUAL things that we might
>never find out about on our own? Are there nooks and crannies in the
>city that we're missing? Places to explore? What sort of things do all of
>those big buildings hold that aren't obvious from the outside? Is there
>anything interesting within a few hours' drive of Portland that we
>might want to see/experience?
>
>Any help would be very much appreciated!
>
>Derek Riippa Foster
>
>P.S. Some keywords that would pique our interests: Dance (including ballroom,
>especially swing). Martial arts. Fantasy (i.e. SCA, other...?) The arts
>(crafts and performance), particularly ones we could participate in. Unique
>dining experiences. Some kinds of trade shows. Science. Science fiction. Good
>(and cheap) plays. Musicals. (Yes, we know about Les Mis and Phantom.) Short
>hikes. Things literary (Yes, we know about Powell's). Places with
>_atmosphere_. Games. Comedy. Interesting upcoming events. Interesting
>groups of people.
>
>P.P.S. Anybody know anything about the new OMSI?

-- 
Jon Steiner
RCA 34 Reed College
Box 549, Portland, OR 97202
jsteiner@reed.edu
From: farrenko@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Farrenkopf)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: transplanted...
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:22:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Nov18.022643.12973@news.columbia.edu> jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo) writes:
>And I think
>it's intrinsic in all Oregonians to cringe when Easterners mispronounce
>our state, or-EEEEEEE-gone.  

There's a small town a few miles south of Madison, Wisconsin (where I am!)
that's called Oregon, and *everybody* but me pronounces it Ory-gone. :-)

Joe
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:54:13 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov17.201418.26999@leland.Stanford.EDU> hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) writes:
>
>how please to pronounce the following word:
>
>
>                   TUALATIN

Too AL u tin.

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: dclemans@mentorg.com (Dave Clemans)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:55:25 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Mike Northam (mbn@skeletor.hf.intel.com) wrote:
: >>>>> "erik" == Erik Underkofler <eunderko@jarthur.claremont.edu> writes:
: 
: erik> In article <1992Nov18.033554.11781@data-io.com> dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
: >Also, I hear that the Spruce Goose (Howard Hughes' colossal wooden float
: >plane) is being (or has been moved) to McMinnville.  Anyone heard any 
: >details on this?  My father-in-law swears that he was in the San Fransisco
: >Bay aboard the USS Helena when the Goose took its flight into infamy.  Says
: >he came on deck just as the plane cleared the water.  Cool, huh?
: 
: erik> The Spruce Goose has been taken apart, stuck in a barge and is
: erik> either on its way, or is already in Oregon.
: 
: The Spruce Goose is in the McMinnville area (taken apart at the moment).
: The Evergreen folks (you remember, the guys that flew the Shah out of Iran
: :-)) are attempting to get funds together to open an aviation museum at
: the McMinnville airport.  I haven't heard a date for when they expect to
: have the museum open.

Actually the Spruce Goose is still in the Portland area.
It's temporarily stored on the banks of the Columbia river in the
Columbia industrial park in Vancouver, WA. This week they're rebuilding
the cradle that holds the wings so that it'll fit through the Willamette
river locks at Oregon City. It's expected that river levels will be high
enough to move the Goose to McMinnville roughly the first week of December.
In the meantime they're building a hanger at the McMinnville airport to
hold the Goose until the museum opens.

The last I heard they know where they want to build the museum; they just
have to go through all the governmental paperwork to get it approved.

There's a Portland phone number you can call to get the exact status
of the Spruce Goose, and of the museum itself. It's a 24hr number that
plays a recording that changes whenever needed. If I remember right,
it's 768-5083. If you're in the local area you can currently see the
big sections of the plane from the viewing tower in Vancouver's Marine park.

dgc
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:08:08 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1ec05rINNedi@pollux.usc.edu> mholling@pollux.usc.edu (Michelle Hollinger) writes:
>I really miss the people from my hometown of Portland.
>
>Just out of curiosity, are there any native Oregonians out here in LA. 
>Maybe we could get together and have a six-pack of Henry's.

My brother is in Seal Beach, going to Irvine.  He's from Ashland (like me).
Email to csouthwo@orion.oac.uci.edu to arrange the sixer. ;)


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: transplanted...
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:58:35 GMT

In article <1edbg9INNdoi@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> strong-john@yale.edu (John Strong) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.022643.12973@news.columbia.edu> jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo) writes:
>>
>>From Aloha (few miles west of PDX) to New York City.  Now thats a 
>>transplant!!!  I'm missing my home state much and the worst thing
>
>Aloha!  I'm so gratified to see my little ol' hometown on this newsgroup.
>Oh, and here's another pronunciation: "Uh-loh-uh", not "Ul-loh-hah".  We're
>not Hawaiian, ya know.

What's this anti-Islander s***?  Huh?  Huh?

Nah nah nah.  But where does the name come from, that the "h" in Aloha, OR
is silent?  Someone told me that it was the name of a railroad junction and
town came to called by that name.  The resemblance is uncanny.

And I thought I could feel more at home here in Oregon... :-(


-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
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                                 --The Peter Principle
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:26:43 MST
From: earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Measure 9 (was Re: Me be a oregoner)




I have been out of the state for so long I don't
know what measure 9 is...

Someone care to fill me in?


Dave Early
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: cgothe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol L Gothe)
Subject: re: new thread
Summary:  miss and don't miss
Keywords:  Ashland, etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:52:52 GMT

What I miss about Oregon is:
Henry's
The upper duck pond in Lithia Park
Sharing a brew with a friend at Cook's
Some neat Profs at SOSC
Over dramatic ballets in the park
The Country Fair
That really great Mexican resturant in downtown (gasp!) Medford, what is the
     name?

And...
     I'm surpirsed nobody else mentioned this bastion of Orgonian culture;
FAT HARVEY'S

What I don't miss is:

That *cloud* over Medford
Going "over the top" in the dead of winter.
Working for peanuts

Gosh, work is so scarce in Oregon.  I mean, I guess many of us would like to go
back but to what?  Especially in Southern Oregon where I'm from, there just 
isn't anything; most of the janitors in Ashland have bachelor degrees.  
Thinking about going "home" crosses my mind now and again, once I get out of 
this fine educational facility, but I just feel like there is no way of making 
it there.  Does anyone else have an opinion?
Carol Gothe, expatriate, lowly grad student
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: franks@synoptics.com (Frank Stutzman)
Subject: Re: Woodstocks Pizza
Reply-To: franks@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:52:02 GMT

In article 2@cs.cmu.edu, bsy+@CS.CMU.EDU (Bennet Yee) writes:
>I still fondly recall the time when I got disgusted by the residence
>hall ``food'' and got Woodstocks pizza for an entire week.  Five
>toppings Moo U special.  Yummers!  Of course, it didn't exactly help
>my weight any....

A friend of mine used to call 'stocks quite a bit.  I mean a lot.  It got
to the point that he would call and before they could say
"canyouholdplease", he'd blurt out "THISISLARRY".  They would then
invariably then say "Oh, yeah, a Moo U to the place on Western 
Boulevard with the blue porch light"

Larry got to be quite a big guy.  It didn't help that Walts Market
was just accross the street with a hefty selection of beer.

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From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Rogue Valley...
Keywords: Medford, Ashland, Central Point, Rogue Valley
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:58:39 GMT
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov21.024058.16200@nevada.edu> lockheed@nevada.edu (STEVE KIRK) writes:
>'spose I'll find any posts FROM the valley, but it'd still be interesting
>to see who all out there in big-bad net-land recalls...
>How about the old Heiney Wine commercials from KTMT 93.1
>Let's see... Crater High School??? (my alma matter, of course--Class of 88!)

I remember the old Heiney Wine commercials, although I listened to them
on the old KZEL from Eugene, along with the immortal "It's 7:30, time to
get your ASS OUT OF BED!!"

I remeber wrestling against Crater High School once or twice in high
schools.. seems to my rapidly blurring memory that they were pretty
good.
 
Sorry, no tall ones for me - I'll be too busy spending time with a
certain Oregon woman who has no east-coast peer!



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   ______________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem)
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:17:23 GMT

In article <1ech9dINNpa@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@portent.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>
>In article <1ebia2INNqbs@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:

[snip]

>>mountains (that's where I'm from), coast, desert, etc., etc.,  Its got
>>it all, and if we can manage to keep the Californians from flooding in,
>>there is no state that rivals it, IMHO.  
>
>As a transplanted Californian, I'm curious as to why the anti-Californian
>sentiment is so strong in Oregon.  I've read about it often, but have not
>actually experienced this feeling during my visits to Portland (or is 
>Portland akin to San Francisco in that it is not representative of the
>state as a whole?)  
>
[snip]
>
>Linda

howdy,

i'm from Tacoma, WA originally.  but i escaped here to Portland 4 years ago.
one of the main complaints that i've heard from locals is that Californians
sell their houses for ungodly amounts of money in Cali, come up here and think
that these houses are dirt cheap.  they then buy the houses without as much
of the regular bargaining.  so houses start selling for more than they usually
do.  this drives property values up and increases the property taxes which
are already out of control here.

i've also heard that more Californians means more crystal freaks.  :)

DISCLAIMER:  none of the above is my opinion.  i just heard it from others.

eric
rorem@lclark.edu

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please excuse all spelling errors, the writer is a math major and has better
things to do.
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 21 Nov 1992 17:03:40 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov21.194548.7512@leela.cs.orst.edu> helix@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Helix Fairweather) writes:
>Ah! but nothing compares to the programming diversity of KLCC!!
>
>Music from the Hearts of Space
>The Women's Music Show
>New Dimensions

I remeber listening to KLCC - they were the only station that bothered
to have a repeater that would cover Oakridge... I remember some strange
stuff on that station - but I thought those electronic music shows (as
above) were pretty cool... My parents loved that station.

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: pbray@envy.reed.edu (Peter Bray)
Subject: Reed College 
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:30:10 GMT


What other reedies read this?
Also, I think that only people with Oregon email addresses should be  
allowed to post here!!!
Go away all you wannabes!
Peter

--
"Art is the Tree of Life; Science is the Tree of Death."
-- W. Blake
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians? Gee--what a surprise!
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 14:19:50 GMT

stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
|I personally am not surprised - I mean, if you live in a pit, but you
|are free to move to a paradise....


You're missing my point.  Even if *everyone* thought CA and OR were equally
preferable (and thus were as likely to move in either direction), one would
expect to see a net flow of CAers to OR.  Why?  Because there're more CAers
than ORers.  It's simple mathematics.


|unhappiness in seeing what the flow of Californians is
|doing to the state.


I sympathize (as a potential future ORer), but you might just as well curse
the sky for being blue.  As long as the population of the earth is increasing,
expect to see more people everywhere.  Even if you shoot all immigrants at the
border, you still have to deal with internal population growth.  Look at
China.


|I've been torturing my brain trying to
|think of some way to fix this problem, and come up with zip...


Support more measures like 9 and OR will get a rep as a Nazi hell-hole.  That
should help some.  :-b


There was a popular sign here a while back was 

	Welcome to California, 
	Now please leave. 


I doubt OR's situation is really unique.  Can anyone quote some hard
statistics?  Is OR's population growth rate the highest in the country??

Mike


-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Lord High Executioner of Anhedonia-----
     Q: And you program in BASIC, of course...  A: Not even at gunpoint.
From: aleta@cs.cornell.edu (Aleta Ricciardi)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Measure 9 (was Re: Me be a oregoner)
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:56:22 GMT
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY

In article <richard.722036600@dutepp13>, Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
|> dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
|> 
|> Oregon is also the state where some sick souls came up with measure 9.

that's what i'm curious about.  how'd such a vile thing get so far? 
so much support?  on the east coast coverage was sporadic, but i'd be 
interested in understanding the tactics this lon mabon person used in
hyping measure 9, why these were successful, and - more important - the
tactics used to defeat it.  it's no secret that he and others of his ilk
plan to target other states...

	aleta

"the new world order has a third reich odor"
	
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: Measure 9
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.101149.1@physics.carleton.ca> ogg@physics.carleton.ca writes:
>So why did Oregon fail and Colorado succeed?  IMHO the Oregon motion was so
>offensive that a) it caused a very large mobilisation against it and b) it
>offended even some people whose symathies were leaning to the homophobic.  The
>Colorado motion you could describe as, well, kinder gentler homophobia?  There
>are probably two lessons: 1) garbage like #9 can be defeated, but 2) motions in
>other states will probably lean more to the Colorado wording.  And since at the
>end of the day, #9 was defeated, but #2 passed, therefore Colorado is worse,
>cos now it's not only a disgusting idea, it's the law.

The key difference between Oregon #9 and Colorado #2 is the presence in 
Oregon #9 of its subsection 3.

>         State, regional and local governments and their departments,
> agencies and other entities, including specifically the State Department
> of Higher Education and the public schools, shall assist in setting a
> standard for Oregon's youth that recognizes homosexuality, pedophilia,
> sadism and masochism as abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and perverse and that
> these behaviors are to be discouraged and avoided.

Colorado #2 was basically Oregon #9 subsection 1.  I think that had the
OCA not put in subsection 3, the measure would have passed.  It was the
difference between a hate bill and a "no special rights" bill.
Subsection 3 made it an overt hate bill.  It's one thing to say that 
homosexuals have no special rights, that they have equal protection of the
laws under the 14th Amendment.  It's quite another to call a group of 
individuals "abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and perverse."  That's called 
hatemongering and what Oregon has shown is that such behavior will not 
be tolerated, in Oregon or anywhere else.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
From: fulling@research.CS.ORST.EDU (Steve Fulling)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: I sort of miss Eugene!
Keywords: Univ. of Oregon
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:26:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jade.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov18.225309.11931@news.media.mit.edu>, mjb@media.mit.edu (Molly Bancroft) writes:

|> I miss GREEN grass. I miss that foggy beginning to every day,
|> the soft drizzle, the three-wheel home-made bicycles.  The 
|> most excellent breakfast places, the Excelsior Cafe, the
|> jazz community in Eugene (is the oregon electric station still
|> there?) Um, all those radical marxists still on the faculty!
|> 
|> most of all I miss hopping in a car with a bunch of other people
|> and going to the coast, renting a cabin for $30 a night, and
|> having the whole beach to yourself...that wide open untouched surf.
|> 
|> AM I ROMANTICIZING IT????

no - it's just like you described.  i've concluded life just
doesn't get better than corvallis :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: stephas@dgp.toronto.edu (Tamara Stephas)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:27:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.201418.26999@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
	hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) asks:
>
>how please to pronounce the following word:
>
>                   TUALATIN

Two-WALL-uh-t'n  is how I always heard it.

>ps:  Thank you!  I am not
>from Oregon, but Washington.

Hey, anywhere in the Pacific Northwest looks like Heaven to me from here.
It's so flat here in the East I get acrophobia if I stray from the 
comforting heights of the downtown buildings.  (Okay, so I exaggerate a 
*little* -- but not much! :-)

By the way, I think this is a great group!

- Tamara
From: kurtg@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: King's Valley!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:04:42 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I've got one for you: how about King's Valley?  Philomath?  Well,
they're near Corvallis.

Things I miss:

- trees
- llamas
- OSU
- OSU Beavers
- Mo's Clam Chowder
- Log trucks (not really!)
- Moss
- Mt. Hood (when its visible)
- Henry Weinhartd's Private Reserve
- the coast (when its visible)
- Green Peter lake
- The Cascades
- I-5
- Clean I-5
- Clean I-5 rest stops
- BLACKBERRIES!
- trees
- sea lions
- Tillamook cheese
- Mo's Clam Chowder
- Spotted Owls (sniff)
- BLACKBERRIES!
- blackberry pie
- blackberry ice cream
- blackberry milkshakes
- rain -- NOT!
- Crater Lake
- Portland
- Portland coffee shops!
- beavers (the animal, let's keep it clean...)
- legalized pot :-)

and last but not least,

- trees

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