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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Unruly 'keets
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:59:08 -0500

 RG> This weekend things went crazy.  They both decided that they 
 RG> now like to perch on top of the two paintings we have in our
 RG> living room.  We try to chase them off, but I think they think
 RG> its a game and they just go right back.  When we chase them off,
 RG> they usually fly to their cage so lately we've been putting them
 RG> back inside and locking them in (partly as a punishment and partly
 RG> to stop them from hanging out on the paintings).

 RG> We have two questions:  first, do punishments (like locking them up)
 RG> really work with parakeets?  Second, do any other bird owners have
 RG> problems with birds and paintings?  We can handle cleaning the
 RG> furniture, blinds, doors, etc., but it's kind of hard to clean a
 RG> painting.  We're also a bit worried because they try to eat the 
 RG> paint off the painting itself (I'm sure it can't be good for them).
    
I think you have about 3 options.  First, you can exclude the parakeets from the
living room, denying them access to the paintings.
   
Second, you could rig up a lucite frame to go over the entire painting,
protecting it from the parakeets.  This will probably not be very asthetic.
   
Third, you could try behavior modification training.  I had a parakeet in a dorm
room several years back.  The bird was free-flying, and the dorm room had
readily accessible pipes and sprinklers near the ceiling.  These made perfect
perches and birdy playthings, and I had visions of my parakeet managing to set
off the sprinklers.  When my dorm refused to cage the sprinklers for bird
safety, I used the following method to teach the bird to stay off the pipes.
   
Roll a single sock into a ball.  Practice throwing with it.  When your bird
lands on the forbidden object, throw the sock NEAR (but not at) the bird.  Do
this quickly---the negative reinforcement has to be no more than a second or so
after the misbehavior.  Your bird will probably not associate you with the scary
thrown object.  It will certainly not see the thrown object as getting attention
from you, which is what it has been getting up to now when it lands on the
painting.  
   
You will probably have to do this for a few sessions for a few days before your
parakeet gets the point.  The good news is that once your bird learns to
associate landing on the paintings with being frightened, it will not need
unlearn this quickly.  My bird was elsewhere for about a year and would still
not land on the pipes when he rejoined me.
   
Please remember, I am not suggesting that you throw anything at the birds, and
you should use something soft, in case you do hit the bird by accident.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: cu@island.COM (Charlotte Upchurch)
Subject: Male Scarlet Macaw for Sale
Keywords: Male Macaw
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:36:43 GMT

 FOR SALE


Male Scarlet Macaw

His name is Nicholas and he is about 4 years old. He was
born up north at Raintree Macaws so he was a hand fed baby,
and is tame. He has a very limited vocabulary, but can be taught
more.

We are asking $1500 for him, including cage and water bowls,
but we are more concerned that he get a good home where he will
get a lot of attention, so we can negotiate on the price.

If interested, please email me at cu@island.com.

Thanks.
Charlotte
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Subject: Re: Avian behavior (was Re: Help needed--crying amazon)
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:09:05 GMT
Keywords: behavior

In article <1992Sep10.073955.4364@ericsson.se>, dsnhv@dsnsun.ericsson.se (Henk Vriens) writes:
> jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse) writes:
> 
> > Read some of the work done on behavior by Christine Davis.
> > She has some great techniques in avian behavior modification.

> I would like to read some of the work mentioned above, and try to
> correct my bird's behaviour.  Can someone post more information,
> like title(s), publisher and/or ISBN numbers so I can (try to)
> order them here in the Netherlands.

 I have read Davis's work in the Association of Avian Veterinarians,  Proceedings Annual Conference.
 The 1989 conference has a paper on New Techniques in Pet Avain Behavior Modification.
 Her address is listed as:
           Christine Davis
           P.O. Box 1067
           Sierra Madre, Ca.  91025

or  you might get in touch with the  AAV Education Office
                                     5770 Lake Worth Road
                                     Lake Worth, Florida    33463

 
 jim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: taylor@hardy.u.washington.edu (Allen D. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Help!  'teil plucked his tail!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:24:38 GMT

In article <79172@ut-emx.uucp> alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace) writes:
>Help!  
>
>
>                                                                         Is
>it possible that I was sleeping on his tail and when I jerked in awakening
>that I pulled them all out?  

Once, while one of my 'tiels was walking around on the floor, I reach down to
pick her up just as I stepped forward.  I accidently stepped on her tail
feathers.  This startled her and she took off, sans tail feathers.  We took
her to her vet, an avian specialist, but she said nothing was damaged besides
Holly's dignity.  Her tail grew back in after several months.  In the mean
time she preferred walking to flying, but flew when she felt it necessary.

Walking didn't bother her as she used to walk around the house with our toy 
poodle who, I firmly believe, was _her_ pet.



--Allen

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: neves@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (NEVES RICHARD K)
Subject: Re: Cockatiel Seed Problems
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:02:42 GMT

In article <seh_bOa00WBME2lNhz@andrew.cmu.edu> kd1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karen L. Dapper) writes:
>I had a horrible experience this weekend and am looking for
...
[yucky worm stuff deleted]

One of my bird books says this isn't a big deal (and not much else).
The breeder we got our bird from says that you should freeze the bag
of seed for 24 hours (which kills everything).

Seems to me this could be a problem if the beasties were parasitic,
but I don't know.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: 'Tiel Sexing (was Wierd 'Tiel Behavior)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:19:01 GMT

Christine V Sylanov (sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: 	Also, Gandhi's coloring isn't too strong, in particular, the
: cheek patches are not as dark as the ones on the definitely male
: 'tiel which my mother owns.

If Gandhi is a grey, a lutino, a cinnamon, or a pearl (not pied), then you can
tell if Gandhi is female by looking at her tail feathers and primaries.  The
tail feathers of a female are yellow with dark grey barring.  The males are
solid grey.  Also, the females primaries have yellow dots on the underside.
Once again, the males are solid grey.  Let me know what you got!!!

: 	I would be glad to have Gandhi have a mate, but that won't
: fit in to my current living situation, a small 1-bedroom apartment,
: and my neighbor (who happens to be visually-impaired) complained
: when I had placed Gandhi outside-the pitch of Gandhi's chirps is
: irritating to him.  Needless to say, I will move when my lease
: is over (next June!-can we make it?).

Move.  Definitely move.  :^)

: raised bird which I have owned, and my next bird will be hand-raised
: from as early an age as possible.  The extra cost is most definitely
: worth it!  

About 8 weeks old is as young as you want them.  If you get them earlier than
this, you must have an assurance that the bird is weaned, and you must weigh
it daily on a gram scale.  If it loses more than ten percent of its weight,
then it is not fully weaned and you will have to return it to the parents (if
they will accept it) or hand feed it until it is maintaining a healthy weight.
Most of my birds weigh in from 75 to 100 grams.  Genetics plays a big role in
this.  

Good luck!
-- 

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  +  Christine DelPrete-Delaney                             The Rest   o  +
  +  chris@unislc.slc.unisys.com                               ____    0  +
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: Budgerigar cere/nostrils - Now:  tiel info added
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:04:37 GMT

: In reply to John Vierra's questions of Sept. 4th.

I can offer this bit of info:  in cockatiels, if the tiel has ever had a sinus
problem, the cere will change in appearance, looking larger and more
pronounced.  This is a permanent change and will not go away.  This only
happens in tiels that have had a chronic or nasty bout with sinusitus.

I rescued one from a neglected home and had to irrigate her sinuses for 15
days with antibiotic fluid.  The result was good, but the swelling had damaged
an optic nerve, leaving her blind in one eye.  Poor thing was fed the death
diet and that only when she squawked loudly enough.  She also spent six years
in a tall and very narrow cage that is good for no species (maybe mice??).

I could f**king kill people that neglect and abuse animals. 

(Did I ever tell you guys about the tiel I rescued that had her wing torn off
by a man who later killed his wife????? - That's a sad story.)



: --------------
: 
: If she flies around without wheezing don't worry about her one nostril.
: 
: >She also has a very rough cere
: 
: A rough cere is normal in a hen her age (3.5yrs). 
: 
: >she has never laid an egg
: 
: A solitary female sometimes lays eggs, but if they don't - fine. 
: 
: Grated carrots, corn and peas along with her present diet will be a 
: treat once or twice a week.  She's healthy - enjoy.
: 
: 	Alex
: 
: ---------------------------
: from the mailbox of:
: Rick Lafford
: 
: 
: 
: Rick Lafford  Eastman Kodak Co.  | If you vote for the same old
: Clinical Products Div.                  | lot, you'll get what you've
: lafford@serum.kodak.com            | always got.  - me
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  +  Christine DelPrete-Delaney                             The Rest   o  +
  +  chris@unislc.slc.unisys.com                               ____    0  +
From: sday@bbn.com (Sherry Day)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Hurricane Relief Funds
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:42:59 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kirin.bbn.com

I noticed some of you were wondering who to send money/supplies to
help the birds lost during Hurrican Andrew.  I received a flyer at
my bird club meeting.  This flyer contained adresses and an article
from a newspaper.  The article came from (I think) PCBS, Newport
News in the section called The Perch.

The article states that the "Wings Over Asia" in the Miami Zoo is no
more, Parrot Jungle was under 7 feet of salt water (no loss of birds),
commercial aviaries were devastated including Kathleen Szabo's
"Luv Them Birds" and untold private aviaires of people who are
struggling just to get food for themselves.  One woman asked, "Can
I feed my bird tomato soup? I haven't anything else".

American Federation of Aviculture leaders in Tampa and Orlando areas have
organized some relief and have already taken at least three shipments
of bird food, monkey chow, and wire, working through person of the seven
bird clubs in Miami, and a load of veterinary supplies to the Miami area,
working through Sally Zonner of Davie, FL, as a distribution point 
where vets are picking up supplies.

The American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums (AAZPA) has
found homes for Miami's Zoo population in zoos elsewhere.

Here is the flyer:

You and/or your club may donate to Hurricane Relief Funds

Contact Morgan Knox (often in the Miami area) or
	Diana at (407) 892-0643.

For tax purposes, write checks to:
	American Federation of Aviculture

	and mail to:
	Morgan Knox, Florida AFA Coordinator
	2801 Absher Dr.
	Narcoossee, FL  34771

or you may also write checks to Morgan Knox himself.  Diana says he will
give you or your club detailed expenditures of the donation for the relief
efforts.

The International Aviculturists Society is including Louisiana relief.
Persons or clubs may write checks to:
	IAS Avian Hurricane Relief Fund
	Phyllis K. Martin
	P.O. Box 130424
	Tampa, FL  33681-0424.

end of flyer.

Whew!  I don't get along with vi.

I hope some of you out there are getting together with your club(s)
to send money and/or supplies to help these people.  I know if I
was in the same situation, I would be able to get some help.

Well, that's all folks.

Sherry
From: sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Teflon sources-Help!!!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:34:53 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu



	I recently posted an FYI item about Teflon pans and birds
on another newsgroup (rec.food.cooking).  I said that there have been
cases of birds dying as a result of the gases released by an over-
heated Teflon pan.  Well, I guess I wasn't really thinking, because
someone wants to know my sources and references.  I've been told this
by vets, pet store owners, and other animal people, but I don't believe
I've ever seen info on this in print.

	Can someone help me by citing specific references,
so I can pass on this info to the cooking newsgroup and not 
feel like such a doofus?

	Thanks!


P.S.  I believe I started this whole cockatiel sexing thing, with my
bird Gandhi, whom I had believed was female.  Well, Gandhi's a pied, of
-- 
	Christine Sylanov	sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu 

"There is nothing on my mind that could not be expressed by a long
	insane outburst of hysterical rage" -Ashleigh Brilliant
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: nmr1248@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD))
Subject: Re: How BirdieIzed Are You?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 11 Sep 1992 09:20 EST  

In article <1992Sep9.052145.11644@panix.com>, bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes...
>In article <Bu9vEG.4y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> susan@solace.me.uiuc.edu (Susan Wrightson) writes:
>>>
>>>which brings me to the next topic.  what is the extent that you will
>>>bring your birdie into conversation at work or in social gatherings?
>>>
>For the last 3 years, the birds have featured prominantly on
>our answering machine...for example:
> 
>	Billie and Charlie are busy eating or sleeping now, so leave a
>	message. They might pass it on to Mark or Meredith.
> 
>Billie and Charlie are cockatiels. I'm Mark and my wife is
>Meredith. The machine does _not_ explain this, so
>strangers/salespersons/business types wonder how many people
>live in our apartment, and who is married to who. Sometimes
>I fill them in.
> 
>bergman@panix.com
>{cmcl2,psi,uunet,apple}!panix!bergman

When my boyfriend was recording his message on his answering machine,
Bernoulli, our pearly pied cockatiel, decided that was the time for
her to be vocal. So she was squawking away and the message that
was recorded sounded like this: 

"Hello (squawk, squawk), you have reached (squawk, squawk) 555-1234, 
at the sound of the bird chirp (squawk, squawk), please leave a message 
(here she decided to do a wolf whistle) and I'll get back to you as 
soon as I can (squawk, squawk, squawk)."

Another way that I birdieIzed my life is that I have numerous 
pictures of Bernoulli that I've taken. In rec.pets.dogs one 
person mentioned that when they found out that their pet wouldn't
live much longer they went and took tons of pictures of him. I took
a lot of pictures of Bernoulli mainly because the last bird I
had, Newton (a grey cockatiel), I was only able to find two or
three pictures of him. Therefore, I have about one and a half rolls
of pictures of Bernoulli and she just turned nine months yesterday 
(10 Sept.)!

Another thing I've done is that I have Bernoulli's "birth certificate"
framed. I don't know if anyone else has done this. The person
who I got her from (Hi Dale), wrote down on a piece of paper who
her mother and father was and the date of her hatching. We joked
around that this was her birth certificate. Well later on, I found
a empty picture frame and the paper seem to fit so I just put it in 
the frame. Right now that frame is sitting on top of my computer desk
along with other pictures of Bernoulli.  

  Nancy Rabel				nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov 
  Space Station Freedom                 --... ...--   -.. . KC4IYD
  NASA - Lewis Research Center          stamp collector, SF addict
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: New addition to the family...
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:40:51 GMT

NEVES RICHARD K (neves@chimay.cs.colorado.edu) wrote:
: to begin with.  So we'll see what comes up.
: >BTW:  keep an eye on its weight while you're weaning it.  They can drop weight
: Eat Eat, it's all she does.  I can't imagine she is going hungary, but
: I'll start monitoring her weight anyway.

The problem a lot of us run into is believing that they are actually *eating*.
Many times they are only playing (constantly :^) with the food and appear to be
eating.  I am glad you will monitor her.  It is the safest way to go.

Good luck.

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From: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Help!  'teil plucked his tail!
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:05:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Help!  

Last night, I decided that I hadn't played with my bird enough this week so
I decided to spend some "quality time" with Spot, my 1 year old cockatiel.
I accidentally went to sleep but was awakened some hours later when I
rolled over on top of the bird.  He took off flying around the house and it
took quite a while to catch him and calm him down and put him in his cage.
This morning I noticed that there were a LOT of feathers lying in the place
that spot had been sitting before I rolled over on him.  I looked over in
his cage and saw Spot sitting there without ANY tail feathers left!

Spot has never done anything like this before and I am quite concerned.  Is
it possible that I was sleeping on his tail and when I jerked in awakening
that I pulled them all out?  Would he do this because he was angry?
Someone else had turned off the light in my room and it was much darker
than it is in the room that spot usually sleeps, could the darkness
encourage this response from him?  I noticed that his balance is off and I
wondered if it is a result of not having feathers or if he is sick...or if
he plucked his feathers because he is sick.  Please quickly post or email
suggestions and insight because I feel a sense of urgency about the
situation.

Alex
alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Subject: Budgerigar cere/nostrils
Keywords: budgie
Reply-To: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:26:48 GMT

Posted for Alex Reid

In reply to John Vierra's questions of Sept. 4th.
--------------

If she flies around without wheezing don't worry about her one nostril.

>She also has a very rough cere

A rough cere is normal in a hen her age (3.5yrs). 

>she has never laid an egg

A solitary female sometimes lays eggs, but if they don't - fine. 

Grated carrots, corn and peas along with her present diet will be a 
treat once or twice a week.  She's healthy - enjoy.

	Alex

---------------------------
from the mailbox of:
Rick Lafford



Rick Lafford  Eastman Kodak Co.  | If you vote for the same old
Clinical Products Div.                  | lot, you'll get what you've
lafford@serum.kodak.com            | always got.  - me
From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: 'Tiel Sexing (was Wierd 'Tiel Behavior)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:23:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <18mhiiINNib@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov) writes:
>Chris writes:
>
>>It sounds as if she wants to mate.  But even more, it sounds like she is a he.
>>Many male cockatiels do what you describe.  Are you sure of the sex?  If yes,
>>then she probably wants to mate and raise a clutch.
>
>	When I purchased Gandhi (yes, that's it's name), the seller,
>who had a good reputation in town, said it was most probably female,
>although it was still too young to properly sex-does this sound right?

   Yes, you can't generally tell until after the first molt.

>	Also, Gandhi's coloring isn't too strong, in particular, the
>cheek patches are not as dark as the ones on the definitely male
>'tiel which my mother owns.

   The cheek patch "test" isn't that terrific.  A better way to tell is
to examine the underside of the bird's tail feathers.  If the color scheme
is solid (that is, no stripes or speckles on the feathers) then it is
quite possibly a male.

>	Gandhi isn't interested in mirrors, unlike the male 'tiels
>I've known, and the male budgies which I have owned.  Gandhi is also
>not very vocal.  
>
>	What's the opinion out there?  Is Gandhi Indira or Mahatma?
>

   That's a tough call.  Check the tail and you may have a better guess.
One of our females behaves similarly, so judging by behavior can be
difficult.  We've had good luck with the tail color "test" though.

>	I would be glad to have Gandhi have a mate, but that won't
>fit in to my current living situation, a small 1-bedroom apartment,
>and my neighbor (who happens to be visually-impaired) complained
>when I had placed Gandhi outside-the pitch of Gandhi's chirps is
>irritating to him.  Needless to say, I will move when my lease
>is over (next June!-can we make it?).

   My suggestion is to try to give the bird extra attention.  I know
it can be tough with a busy schedule, but it may prevent the bird from
"fixating" on toys and other objects in its environment.  I don't suppose
there is any harm in that, but it's really a sad sight.  (It breaks my
heart to see our unpaired 'tiel so sad, so I make the time to play with
her.)

>	Thanks for all of your help, I've been keeping birds
>by trial-and-error for too long!  Gandhi is the first semi-hand-
>raised bird which I have owned, and my next bird will be hand-raised
>from as early an age as possible.  The extra cost is most definitely
>worth it!  

  No problem!  Try the tail "test" and let us know what's up.

  - larry

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