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From: higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Red electrons (was Re: easy-to-confuse author names (was Re: New...))
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:14:07 GMT
Organization: Fermilab Grossforschungenseinrichtungen
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In article <2590@usna.NAVY.MIL>, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.102902.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalo.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>>Right.   Without green, only red electrons and blue electrons will hit
>>the screen. The image is rendered in reds, blues, and shades of purple
>>(maroon is somewhere between red and purple).
> 
> "Red electrons" and "blue electrons"?!  How did you ever get a job there?

When did the Naval Academy start hiring faculty with no sense of humor?

> -- 
> Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
> Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
> United States Naval Academy

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From: dstein@charon.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: John Woods Campbell
Reply-To: dstein@charon.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:57:09 GMT

Bryant Durrell wrote:

  I'm actually not sure where the thrust of your argument
lies -- are you asserting that this reasoning is not sufficient to
justify dubbing the style we're talking about as Campbellian?

-----

  Bryant, you originaly reacted to this quote of mine:

>  Let it be clear though that in the post you quote I already explicitely
>decided to drop my challenge of your view of Campbell and instead to
>concentrate on the soundness of the specific definition of Campbellian SF 
>you gave.

  Evidently, you have not seen the definition, nor any relevant post of mine 
or Eric's.  For the definition in question comes from the sentence
 
>> He did not merely `influence' SF, he *defined*
>>SF as we know it today --- as a literature of plausible extrapolation
centered
>>on human reactions to technological change and challenge.
 
  which Eric wrote.  I had questions and objections to that definition.

 - David

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I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
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From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:47:07 +0100
Distribution: rec
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

In <YAMAUCHI.93Jan5134817@yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu> yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>Does anyone know whether a sequel to Orson Scott Card's _Xenocide_ is
>planned, and if so, when it is expected to be published?

It has been said that Card is working on a fourth novel in the Ender series.
Nothing definite yet.


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From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: Who Killed Sf???
Organization: fwa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:31:36 GMT


Surely we agree
There is more than one
"Marketplace" and "readership."

Why, even in a single house
Multiple houses
Can cohabit.

Roll out the mat
Throw the yarrow stalks
Publishing is scientific!

-----
pnh@panix.com
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: William Gibson's Most Famous Quote Ruined By Technology...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:22:21 GMT

   When I first read Neuromancer, and in all my readings of Gibson from
beginning to end, no sentence, no quote, has ever struck me quite so
hard as the very first one:

   "The sky was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."

   Now you and I, who still live somewhat with the past know exactly
what Gibson was talking about.  Grey as snow, without out a hint of
color.  For those of us who know what snow is, the sentence makes
perfect sense, and it fits in the grey-scale cyberpunk world he was
trying to illustrate.

   So I bought a new television over Christmas break.  And as
technology marches towards that high frontier Gibson illustrated so
well, manufacturers have discovered that people don't like snow.  So
television now comes with something of a 'squelch'; without sufficient
signal, the television won't show you any of what it is getting.

   You know what the color of television, tuned to a dead channel, is
in the future?

   Clear sky blue.

   Technology marches on.

            Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:31:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1ik53bINNjkj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
]In article <1992Dec24.180756.24259@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
]
]>I think it might be fair to say that Heinlein falls somewhere in the
]>middle range on PCness, for whatever that's worth. I will say that there

What's so bleedin' important about being Politically Correct?

]>are some writers I used to like that I've stopped reading because I can
]>no longer put up with the way they write about women (Anthony and 
]>Zelazny), but Heinlein has managed to stay off the list.

]As far as PC goes:  Where are the women in Starship Troopers?  Were they
]ALL unfit for infantry duty, so that not a single one could make it into
]a base camp of 10000 recruits?  Sounds a bit suspect to me...

Read it again. Hint: What is the Navy comprised mostly of? Don't pass the
space navy off as unimportant, btw. How are the grunts going to get to
the planets they have to hit and who's going to prevent *their* grunts
from doing the same.
 
]Also, try reading the "History and Moral Philosophy" lessons with a view
]to current events in Yugoslavia, and tell me wether "ethnic cleansing"
]would be justified under these principles.

I will have to read that again but while I rummage through my books, why don't
you explain your assertion.


-- 
Patrick Chester           |---------------------------------------------------| 
Politically Incorrect     |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep|
Future Lunar Colonist     |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein               |
Another Damn Exception    |"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are |
claypigeon                |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein          |
Many other stupid titles  |---------------------------------------------------|
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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 01:41:32 GMT

The way I see it, there is enough premium science fiction already written
that, carefully rationed, I should have worthwhile reading material for the
rest of my life.

Sort of like fossil fuels.


Paul Ciszek                      No nation was ever drunk when wine
                                 was cheap.
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu                            --Thomas Jefferson
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Getting novels published
Date: 10 Jan 1993 13:55:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
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Check out the book _The_Writer's_Market_1993_ for advice and guidelines.
Should be availabe at most local bookstores.

Misc.writing would be more suitable for this topic.

Chua
+==+

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From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.physics,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Davis Mechanics (was Re: John Woods Campbell)
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:13:51 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In <1incj8INNbme@chnews.intel.com> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> What point is that?  It seems to depend on a fallacious
> assumption.  To wit, that incompressible objects *can* be
> accelerated by point forces.

I wasn't focusing on the "incompressible" case in Mr. Troup's posting at all,
though everyone else seems to have.  My point (which you've made in even more
detail) is that there is a measurable interval during which the object's
behavior is non-Newtonian.
 
> Que es que c'est, "Dean Drive?"

A complicated mechanical device which supposedly functioned as a "reactionless
drive".  It seems pretty clear (by experimental test) that the Dean Drive did
not work; however, Davis, Stine & Victory (who *did* the experimental test)
developed some theory which convinced them that a variation might, and even
got some experimental results which fit the theory but *not* conventional
Newtonian mechanics.  At about that point, the research was defunded.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.written:17426 rec.arts.sf.movies:9746
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R*A*I*)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Use The Dark Side, Luke! (Was: Re: Who killed SF???)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:07:15 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

> Dunno, but I would! What a neat idea! But I can't see him as a Hess figure
> -- after all, with *both* of the surviving Jedi on their side, I can't
> really see the Empire losing...
> 
> Watching Luke and the stormtroopers exterminate those terminally cute teddy
> bears would be worth the price of admission by itself :-)
> 
> (Did anyone else see "Slipstream"? Crap movie, but Mark Hamill plays the
> villain and makes a very good job of it...)
Yuck! terribly movie! I've never seen Hamill perform well except in StW becuse
he seems so young and immature through all three movies that he's believeable.


> 
> Plot suggestion : Luke switches sides at the end of TESB, after he finds
> out Darth Vader is his father. Yoda (and Ben's ghost) trains Leia as the
> rebellion's substitute Jedi. Then we can have a second revelation scene
> on Endor ... Luke and Leia fighting, then, "Leia! I'm your brother! He's
> your father, er, our father! Join us! Together we'll destroy the Emperor
> and take his place!" Etc...
> 
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Pournelle
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:39:48 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


What has the morality or behaviour of the society described in the book got
to do with anything except the story.  It is a novel about the far future;
fashions change, even where morals and behaviour are concerned.


-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
I have made a truly wonderful discovery -- after two bottles of good, cheap
Bulgarian wine ANY television comedy program will seem funny (except shows
with Mr. Beadle which require a 6-pack of Newcastle Brown in addition!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: CMOHNEY1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Christopher Mohney)
Subject: CCQ Debut!
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:04:53 GMT

 
Feeling left out because you're not a card-carrying member of the
cultural elite?  Then suffer no longer, friend!
 
ANNOUNCING ..... the debut of the Southeast's newest and most profoundly
innovative small press magazine.  After a long and painful struggle, not
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ready for sale.  Edited-in-chieftanship by Chris Mohney, called by some
"the most powerful man in show business," CCQ prominently features the
best in new-wave protosurrealist metafiction, with some poetry and
artwork thrown in.  For the first issue, in addition to the usual crowd
of Yanks, we have writers from England and Canada as well, so splurge on
a copy and recreate yourself in your own image.  Sample copies are
$4.50, and subscriptions are $14.00 a year (4 issues).  Check or money
order payable to Carnal Chameleon Quarterly.
 
We're also looking for submissions of poetry, fiction and artwork for
the succeeding issues.  Complete guidelines can be had by sending an
SASE to our address below, or you can just go ahead and submit.  We're
also open to correspondence, comments and suggestions.
 
Send all missives to:
 
Carnal Chameleon Quarterly
PO Box 11206
Tuscaloosa, AL  35486-9669
 
Submissions and correspondence can also be sent to
CMOHNEY1@UA1VM.UA.EDU, and you can even request writers' guidelines
(fiction or poetry) from that address.
 
Thank ewe!
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: George RR Martin
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:19:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	For the most part, all of the fiction which George RR Martin
 has produced since the mid-1980's have been contributions to the
 Wild Cards series. The reason for the drop in output is that he
 has been writing for TV. He was a producer for the new _Twilight
 Zone_ and did a very good script about an Elvis impersonator who
 goes back in time and meets the King just before the Sun sessions.
 Later, he worked on _Beauty and the Beast_ (the TV show about the
 big kitty, not the Disney film) and is now doing a pilot for ABC
 called _Doorways_. It's about a Joe Blow from now and a fugitive
 being chased through a series of parallel/alternate Universes.
	Martin's character, The Great and Powerful Turtle, is one
 of the most popular characters on the Wild Card series, at least
 according to the postings on GEnie.
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From: kevinh@vcd.hp.com (----- Kevin Hudson -----)
Subject: Re: Covenant/LotR parallels? (Was Re: Amber: )
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:36:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Peter Hunt (hunt@oils.ozy.dec.com) wrote:

<stuff deleted>

: 	However, elements I thought were common were :

<stuff deleted>

: 	- Giants vs. Ents. While their backgrounds and physical appearances
: 	  are different, their personalities, and the roles they played, are
: 	  very similar, IMHO.

Yes!

It's been quite a while since I've read either book, but the Giants seemed to
be a direct ripoff of the Ents.  Both were very contemplative, had very long
proper names and sang long, folklore-type songs.  They were physically similar 
in that they were both slow moving (unless angered) and very large and strong.
But the thing that really clinched it was their special "drinks."  Ents had 
something called "ent draught" which had great powers of fortification and 
sustenance.  The Giants had a nearly identical drink called "diamond draught."

K.Hudson
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: D2KAK@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Help, Locating Novel (The Invasion of Mars)
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:42:32 GMT

About 24 years ago I found a book in the local bookstore which was
a continuation of H.G. Wells War of the Worlds. I don't remember the
authors name, but the forward was written by Forrest J. Ackerman. The
title of the book was (The)? Invasion of Mars.I would like to find a copy
of this book as mine was loaned to a high school english teacher who
failed to return it. If anyone can help me find a copy or at least let
me know who the author was, I would certainly appreciate it. Please
E-Mail at above address.
Thanx loads!
 
Kraig Krumm
Electronic Systems
The University of Akron
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:07:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I said,
>> Mr. Williams, do you like any fantasy at all?

And he said,
>I just don't see what sword fights and wizards has to do with anything....
>... the stupid fantasy stuff drives out the good SF.

Which would appear to mean, No.

Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it; and as the Scotsman
is supposed to have said, It's a good thing we don't all have the same
tastes, or think what an oatmeal shortage there would be.


Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:28:36 GMT
Organization: Next Thursday A.D.

williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:

>I go to book stores.  I go to the library, and only rarely do I find anything
>worth buying and reading.  What is all this crap that clogs the shelves???

It's the stuff that sells. You think bookstores buy stuff for shelves
because they hope it doesn't sell?

IF anything killed SF (and I disagree with the basic assumption), you can
find the murderer very simply. Look in a mirror. 

Publishers publish what readers buy. 

I know that sounds too simple to be true, but it is. You can blame all sorts
of things, but the bottom line is that what's on the shelves is what people
want. You can figure the rest out.

If the kind of stuff you like to read isn't there, then it's probably
enough because people don't want it. There's a GOOD chance it's in the
editor's private library, but she can't make a profit in bringing out a new
edition, so she isn't allowed to because it's a bad business deal.

-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
                chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ 

          I'm history! No! I'm mythology! Whatever, I'm outta here!
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: William Gibson's Most Famous Quote Ruined By Technology...
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:10:20 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)

In article <1993Jan4.232221.4776@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>   "The sky was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."

>Now you and I, who still live somewhat with the past know exactly
>what Gibson was talking about.  Grey as snow, without out a hint of
>color.

Amazing.  Having given up TV 15+ years ago, I had long forgotten about TV
snow.  I mean, yes, I've seen it on occasion since, but it just didn't
register.  So my mental image of the opening scene in NEUROMANCER has been
of a blank turned-off screen.  Kind of dull, but not as hostile and harsh
as it was supposed to be, and not something likely to have been corrected
in the normal course of my lifetime.  I mean, maybe 50 years from now an
annotated edition will come out, with illustrations of "what is a TV" and
all that, and maybe not.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:32:11 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <2656@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> mb7@ukc.ac.uk (M.Bloom) writes:
> 
> In article <195c9nINNgjf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  
ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
> (Mark L. Stackpole) writes:
> >
> >OSC's new Ender book, which is still being written, has the
> >working title _Ender's Children_. Card promises that Ender Wiggin
> >will be 100% dead by the time you reach end flap.
> 
> It seems that a 4th Ender book will be out soon, then?

Not if it's still being written. There's a long lead time on
these things.  

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: jl3j+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Leavitt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Author Polls: QUESTION
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:53:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfG7Zyi00WB5MDqgFi
Organization: Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

SInce I took over the polls from Tom Hyer a month or so ago, the response
rate has been, shall we say, a bit low.  In fact, the most recent poll (Michael
Moorcock) netted only 4 responses besides my own.  This puzzles me.  So, I
would like to know some things:

1) Why is nobody responding?  (Bad author choices, mail problems, lack of interest?)

2) What authors would you like to see?  Those done so far are:

  Roger Zelazny
  Orson Scott Card
  Ursula K. Le Guin
  Larry Niven
  C.J. Cherryh
  Robert A. Heinlein
  David Brin
  Arthur C. Clarke
  Isaac Asimov
  John Brunner
  Frank Herbert
  Jack Vance
  Philip K. Dick
  Samuel R. Delany
  Greg Bear
  Robert Silverberg
  Philip Jose Farmer
  Poul Anderson
  Frederick Pohl
  Joe Haldeman
  Stanislaw Lem
  Cordwainer Smith
  Tanith Lee
  Gordon R. Dickson
  Walter Jon Williams
  Fritz Leiber
  Clifford D. Simak
  Harlan Ellison
  Gregory Benford
  Theodore Sturgeon
  George R. R. Martin
  Ray Bradbury
  Michael Moorcock

I will try to ablige by polling authors that a number of people have an
interest in and/or an opinion of.

3) Any other comments?

I will be leaving the Moorcock poll open for another week (and I will repost
the call for votes), in the vain hope that it was just a holiday slump (since
I KNOW from the size of the occasional MM threads, that you folks DO read MM's
stuff).

Thanks.

-John.
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