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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkies (was  Re: Police And Conventions)
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Hi Carl,

All true and correct, per the various FCC regs published. 
Unfortunately, there are some concoms who can't read or can't be
bothered to read them.

One example that *really* bugs me: a Start-Trek con in Maryland
(SHORELEAVE) published this rule in their progam book:

"Anyone interfering with convention radios will be evicted with no
refund."

Legally shaky, considering they were using Part 15 headsets on
49.830MHz.

I wonder what the judge would say if the concom decided my FT-470 was
interfering with their toy radios?

And while I'm on the subject, there are a few hucksters that have
decided they can't be bothered, and have bought 2m ham HT from Radio
Shack and are using them simplex in the satellite subband.  I report
them every time I see them.

Frank Ney  Ham N4ZHG  Commercial WNYG547
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.064118.21394@news.arc.nasa.gov> mcmahon@tgv.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug12.192415.25175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel) writes:

>There was one con where I was glad we had the radios, most of the house phones
>had been trashed by con attendees who get their kicks from that sort of thing.

I think I remember that one Fuzz....was that EveCon 7 at The Stouffers?

>=At Marcon here in Columbus, I was asked to take the radio away (which I didnt'
>=do).  Back in another city I lived, I was actually booted from the con.
>The only time I asked anyone to put their radios away was when they were 
>transmitting on our frequencies and disrupting our work.  That seemed
>reasonable.
>
>=The point is you really don't need radios at a con.
>
>I disagree, they can be a useful tool.  But they have to remain a tool,
>not a status symbol or badge of power.  That's not a function of what
>equipment you use, it's a function of the leadership (or lack therof)
>of your security people.

I totally agree!. Having worked con security for about 3 or 4 years now
I know I wouldn't want to not have a radio. There is no way I would depend
on the intactness of house phones for communications with the ConCom.

---Steve
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From: pho@athena.mit.edu (Pho User)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Seeking Magicon Info
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:56:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: w20-575-.PHO.92Aug15155605
Distribution: rec
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


	Does anyone out there know what time things are going to start
happening on Thursday?  

	Also, I heard that there had been a posting stating that the
program would be available by e-mail real soon now, but that posting
seems to have expired on my system.  Can someone repost?

	Thanks.
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From: zbang@access.digex.com (Carl P. Zwanzig)
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkies (was  Re: Police And Conventions)
Organization: The Midnite Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:52:11 GMT

People have written MANY things about various types of 2-way radios at cons.

Here's my $.02

Operations/security folk need them.  There's a reason that the hotel security
carry radios, in that you don't always have a phone when you need one.

Technicians need them.  Trying to coordinate a large installation by voice
is difficult, and by phone is impossible.

Keeping the hotel honest.  At a recent convention, I casually asked a hotel
electrician for their frequency, which he gave me.  I later tuned my
commercial HT to that and left it in the room to listen to when I was there.
Later that evening, I was in the room talking with friends, and heard the
a conversation between the hotel security person and the front desk clerk.
"I wonder what they're doing arround the pool" (an open area) "They must
be sacrificing a virgin, or something".  I called the front desk on the
phone, and, without identifying myself, disagreed with them (the people
were setting up to sing part of Handel's Massiah.  I was also rudely grilled
for my name and room number.  Over the radio, 
"Better watch what you say, someone's listening to OUR channel"
Later that evening, the chair of the convention and I had a talk with the
manager on duty, and the next morning a talk with the GM of the hotel,
regarding this breach of professionalism and etiquite.  I believe that if
I hadn't heard that conversation, the service that we received from the hotel
would not have been up to the level that other patrons get, and that annoys
me.

Radio is a broadcast medium.  Anyone can listen to it, as long
as they don't devulge the information to others (communications act of 1934).
In commercial radio, call signs are not used with every transmission. Also,
on the itinerent frequencies, ALL users of that freq MUST attempt to avoid
interfering with other registered users.  I can use the same channel for
talking to my friends (providing that I have a purpose commiserate with my
license) as the con security and the construction site down the road.

It can be a great tool, as long as it's not abused, and I count unlicensed
used as abuse.

Carl Zwanzig
zbang@digex.com
WNRL354 commercial
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkies (was  Re: Police And Conventions)
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:54:58 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


re: Cons giving other radio licensees trouble

If you are using 'shared use' or 'itinerant' frequencies along with
the convention whatever, that is *exactly* what they are.  Any action
on the part of the convention to declare the frequency their exclusive
property is a violation of FCC rules and can cause the convention to
lose their license or the privledge of using rental licenses.

Besides which, any group using a shared or itinerant without at least
a PL tone deserves what they get for stupidity.

BTW, booting someone who has a ham license is quite possibly a
violation of FCC and may definitely be a violation of local law.  A
convention that does this to me will *definitely* feel the heat,
because my next stop will be the local magistrate.

Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-P  LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA "M-O-U-S-E"
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From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom,alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: Orlando Magicard
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:07:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <ac3cPB1w165w@mcb.com> jholmes@mcb.com (jim holmes) writes:

(regarding the Orlando Magicard tourist discount card)
 
>I called the 2nd number and was told to call +1 800 551-0181 and this
>seemd to work. A voice mail system took my name and address.

Good.  This number is different from the one in the newspaper article I 
saw, so either they changed it or the paper got it wrong (or perhaps the
paper mistakenly published a Florida-only 800 number).  

I would recommend that people leave in their messages the date on which
they plan to leave for Orlando, to improve their chances of getting the
card sent on time.  The woman I spoke with asked for my departure date
and assured me that because the date was relatively close, they'd get
the material sent out right away.  It arrived in an envelope labeled
"Bulk Mail," but with first class postage metered over the label. 
  
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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Police And Conventions
Date: 12 Aug 92 06:12:34 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Interesting discusion regarding Police at Cons...  Unfortunately, I missed the
item that set this all off, but here is a short guideline that I've founds that
WORKS...  Use it or not as you will.  (MY experience is limied to working
Security for a Living, plus helping ConCom a recent Con, and it's predecessor.
And of course some working at the Rocky Horror Picture Show....)

1>  TELL the Police in ADVANCE that you will be having a Con, what kind of
problems you may run into and how you plan on dealing with them!  (READ: Tell
them we have on-site "Security" or "Troubleshooters"...)

This will quiet a LOT of police right from the starting point.  IT tells them
that you are willing to work WITH them IF nessesary, and therefore puts you in
a miuch better light.  Also, when you mention that you have people working
security/troubleshooting, odds are muchg greater they WON'T stop by unless YOU
(pr the hotel) call them!  (Hell, at DucKon I, I was suspected of helping
"conributing to the deliquency of a monor" (I was heading the security dept!)
and we hgad to call the police on the HOTEL STAFF!  But they were always
expremely polite, nice, and didn't hang around and cause problems after thge
origional problem was rooted out...)

2>  TELL the hotel in advance that you'll be running sec./troubleshooters, and
try to cooridinate with the hotel in advance.  This can also stop a bunch of
troubles from happening.  (If we had to deal with a bunch os skinny dippers, I
knew of 1 person on the hotel staff who would have helped us pout, and
interceded on our behalf if nessesary...)

And of course COMMUMICATE WITH YOURSELVES!  Get 2 WAY RADIOS of possible!  It's
amazing what kind of problems can be headed off if everyone knows EXACTLY what
is happening...

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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Ham Radio at MagicCon
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:43:28 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


OK.  Here is the full story on ham radio at MagicCon, courtesy of
Avery Davis, WB4RTP.

PRIMARY REPEATER:  KN4PZ/R Lake Buena Vista 444.7+ PL 1A (103.5Hz)
This is the hi-tech voicemail et al repeater I posted about before.
User accounts will be provided to MagicCon hams and voicemail messages
are keyed to the account number.
Primary user commands follow
Key: U = User account number digit
     P = User password digit
     * = Delimited (either carrier break or DTMF asterisk)
     # = DTMF pound sign
     N = Number

UUUPPP*0*NEmergency patch (911)
UUUPPP*1*NUser phone patch
UUUPPP*2User patch redial
UUUPPP*7Voice Mailbox
UUUPPP*10Change password
UUUPPP*12Record user name (callsign)
#1Echo Mode
#2Deviation Test
#3DTMF Test
#4Time
#5SINAD Test
#9Play System announcement

OTHER REPEATERS IN AREA:
147.12-  KC4CB/R Orlando PL ZA (94.8Hz)
Exellent coverage and is not busy

146.76-  KD4JL Orlando Open access closed autopatch
Exellect coverage buy extremely busy at all times

147.825+  KB4USW  Alamonte Springs

147.3+  WA4ABQ Walt Disney World ARC
Great coverage, might have Donald Duck as voice ID

SIMPLEX:
Will be using 2m and 70cm National Calling frequencies until we know what will be a clear channel.

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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: @ party computer?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:02 GMT

I will have a laptop and a modem jack, but during the party it will
be doing duty as a button generator.   Does anybody have a node in
Orlando that people can log onto?  When will worldcons start having
an Internet terminal room?

I have the suite Friday, Saturday & Sunday.   Which night is
preferred?   Each night conflicts.  There's the faire/golf/etc. in the
CC on Friday, the Hugos on Saturday and the Masquerade on Sunday.
I'm also presenting an award on the Friday, though that's fairly early
and not a conflict, and of course I will attend the Hugos.

Most of the publishers do their big bashes after the Hugos, and I want
to attend some of those myself.  Of course I don't have to be at the 
party at all times if there are good volunteers.

And I do need some volunteers, at least one in Orlando to help me arrange
the food in advance.  Since this party is being sponsored by ClariNet.
(tax deductable) there will be some low key marketing of jokebooks and
something secret that I'll tell you about there, so I will offer bribes
for any volunteers, including a bed in the suite after the party if
crash space at the Peabody is required (I'm getting an independent room for
some of the nights), free jokebooks and perhaps free secret things.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: hams in orlando
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:33:11 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


For all the hams who will be at MagiCon, here is a list of all the
user commands that are available on the KN4PZ repeater (444.700 +
103.5Hz CTCSS). If you missed my earlier posting, Avery Davis WB4RTP
has made arrangements with the repeater operator (Tom French) to get
accounts for all of the hams who attend MagiCon.

This is all from a letter I recieved from Avery Davis (WB4RTP):

"The functions of this repeater are accessed through touch tones, like
most machines, but there is no single access code. Instead, each user 
has a personal account code and a password, each three digits. Upon
entering these digits and a Command Function Code (CFC), digitized 
voice prompts and menus talk the user through functions. Voicemail is
addressed to the recipient using the user number. Here are the 
primary user commands:

   U=User account number digit
   P=User password digit
   *=Delimiter, either the DTMF asterisk, or a carrier break
   #=DTMF pound sign
   N=Number

   UUUPPP*0*N   Emergency Patch (typically 911)
   UUUPPP*1*N   User phone patch
   UUUPPP*2     User patch last number redial
   UUUPPP*7     Mail Box
   UUUPPP*10    Change Password
   UUUPPP*12    Record User Name (record your callsign here)

OPEN COMMANDS

   #1   Echo Mode
   #2   Deviation Test
   #3   DTMF Test
   #4   Time
   #5   SINAD Test
   #9   Play Announcement"

See you there!, VE3ZAA
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From: anda@ahpcrc.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Seeking MagiCon crash space Th-M eve
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:49:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, AHPCRC


I am posting this for a friend w.o. net access.

Rev. Randy Smith is wishing to share (and split expenses of course)
a room at MagiCon from Thursday night through Monday night inclusive.
He can be reached at (402)463-4913 and (402)463-5696.

I will act as an intermediary if you prefer prefer not to acrue phone charges.

Thank you,
&y&a

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From: woodcock@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Brad Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:23:42 GMT

I have worked security for a couple of conventions, and helped with
several more.  The cons that I have actually worked security, the security
team consisted of at most 3 people (and some badgers).  The thing
that I found most important is that the security people don't take
themselves too seriously.  If you don't act like an officious, overbearing
asshole most people will treat you reasonably well and even sometimes
listen to you.  The thing I have seen most cons do wrong is that they
get many more people than are needed to do security and they don't pay
close enough attention to getting people that are efficient and won't
go totally power crazed.  Uniforms for cons security are completely out
of the question.  At best it makes them look like SS members and at worst
it makes them a joke.  All in all, the uniforms just make the people wearing
them take themselves entirely too seriously.  Radios are fine, as long as
people use them correctly.  You don't need to do all that call sign
and reporting in bull unless you are using radios that are FCC restricted
to such things.
.
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Con in southeast Michigan
Organization: Inland Sea
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:16:34 GMT

psm1@quads.uchicago.edu (patricia sayre mccoy) writes:

>Can anyone send me information about a con in southeast Michigan in the 
>middle of October?  I don't know the name, unfortunately.  Last year
>is was held at the Detroit Metro Airport.  You can e-mail me at the address 
>below.  Thanks.

You're probably thinking of Conclave, Oct 16-17-18.  My dinky postcard
on it say GOH Lois McMaster Bujold, FGOH Barry & Sally Childs-Helton.
Southfield Days Hotel, 17017 Nine Mile Road, Southfield, MI (313)557-4800.  
Write ConClave XVIII, PO Box 2915, Ann Arbor, MI 48106.

I believe that Conclave IV (not fourteen, four) was the last one held at
the Metro Ramada.  Heckuva memory you've got there . . .  :-)
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From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: Walkie-Talkies (was  Re: Police And Conventions)
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.204023.14957@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.192415.25175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel) writes:
>> You bring up good points about walkie talkies at cons.  I always have some fun
>> tuning my ham handy talkie on con security frequencies.  Most of 'em get real 
>> upset

>And then of course there are those of us attendees who want to use
>walkie-talkies.

Not everyone with a radio is con security, either.  There are a few
hams around, Tech Crew is on 450 business band, the hotel folks
probably have radios, CB walkie talkies, cellphones, etc.  Anyone know
what frequencies con security is on?  :+)

Be wareful of having walkie-talkies (or as us ham radio folks call em
- HTs), you may get mistaken for someone who cares!  I was chatting
with my wife at Chicon V on our 2-meter rigs when I was accosted by a
fan who was seriously upset about what I had done to 'his' weapons
policy, spoke at me at great length, refused to let me get a word in
edgewise, and only after explaining the whole sordid story to me did
he allow me to explain that I was a ham, not a con security type
looking to haul him away.  Good for a chuckle anyway.

Speaking of HTs, they are a _great_ way to keep track of each other
and actually find each other again if you have differing panel
interests.  This business of "I'll meet you at _place_ at exactly
_time_" is so confining.  Propagation at ChiCon V was pretty spotty
(too many sub-basements), but I'm told the Orlando area is pretty
good (no basements in the swamp!)

Any other hams going to be there?  Should we pick a simplex frequency
(natl' simplex on 2-M?).  What's a good local repeater?

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com
From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: orlando magicard
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:17:05 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


Carol Springs carols@world.std.com writes:

CS>Those attending Worldcon this year might be interested in the Orlando
CS>Magicard, a card with which you can get discounts at various attractions,
CS>hotels, restaurants, rental car agencies, and so on, in the Orlando area.
CS>I got my card within a few days of calling the following number:

CS>                       407-363-5871

CS>This is the number for the Orlando/Orange County Convention & Visitors
CS>Bureau, Tourist Information.  At the menu I chose vacation planning (or
CS>some such), which I believe was choice number one.  (On a previous call,
CS>timing out to the operator had failed to work.)  They directed me to the
CS>proper department as soon as I mentioned the Orlando Magicard.

The choice does seem to be 1, and it does not seem to time out to the 
operator (the opening message gets repeated) WARNING this system does
require a touch-tone phone.
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From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: @ party supplies.
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:57:33 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Just curious as to how I can be of additional help for the @ party. I
will bring the following to the party:

- A ancient laptop to be used for each person to leave their @ address.
- The photos I took at last years party.

If I can manage it, I will also bring a special surprise, which I will
not describe other than to say it is out of a dieter's nightmare
(excellent, but an incredibly high calorie count). Mind you I will not
be able to bring enough of this to serve a hoard (first come, first 
served? rationed? somehow it would have to be limited).

What else should I bring to the party? How else can I be of help?

Also, a few days ago I posted a somewhat paniced message re: Florida's
scanner laws. For me, and all of the other hams at the con it turns out
this was a false alarm. I have been told by the participants in another
conference that there is a blanket excemption of law for hams.
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