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From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Scottish Journalism!
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:40:52 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


I'm not naming anyone but i have just read the football column
written by a journalist and Sunday TV analyst on the subject of
Dundee United's Duncan Ferguson.
In his view, Ferguson has "outgrown" the club and that the clubs
best days are behind them.

Well, you've probably guessed who the journalist/commentator is.
Its sad really when the media are continually slagging off other
clubs to catch up on Rangers and make the league more competitive,
and then this gibbon is saying that "smaller" teams should not
stand in the way of exceptional young talent and should sell
their assets, thus back to square one.

mclean is surely trying to keep his best players!!He doesn't
develop youngsters then sell them to other league clubs.
ok, maybe Ferguson can enhance his career by moving to a bigger
club, and if he is determined, he probably will get his move.
But the point I am trying to make is no media person should be
able to entice/advise a player, especially a young in the spotlight
talent like DF, in a national newspaper, to leave a club like Utd.

What would happen if he carried this on and suggested McStay to go to Juventus
say or Durrant to leave Rangers and go to Man.Utd/Milan. Uproar I guess from
either club. He'll get a job with the SFA yet, I am sure!!

CGM
DIT
Scotland
From: wardl@asgard.dcu.ie (Liam Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: What days are European League games played?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 10:49:31 -0600
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In Message 22 Jan 93 19:40:29 GMT, mshaw@uiuc.edu (Mark Shaw) writes:

>
>I am wondering if there is a common day that most games in England and
>the rest of Europe are played on (like the weekends) or are they spread
>out during the week?  Also, does each team usually play one game per week
>or does that vary as well?  Thanks for any help.
>
>Mark
[sig. deleted]

In the League of Ireland, games are traditionally played on Sunday
afternoons. However, in recent years, some teams with floolit grounds have
started to play their home games on Friday nights and there may be some
Saturday night games next year as more clubs get floodlights.

Liam

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From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gough gets involved in mud-throwing
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:42:25 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


It seems another MIM employee, Richard Gough, is getting involved
in the Murray/McLean contreversy. He has been reported that this
affair involving Ferguson is almost identical to his treatment when
similarly Rangers were wanting to sign Gough from Utd. In the end
McLean refused to give in and Gough went to Spurs for around a season
and then was transferred to Rangers. Gough has also publicly stated
McLeans past treatment of players while he was there as a player.
 
Anyway, United are to report Murray, Walter Smith (he's the manager by
the way, the bloke that 'supposedly' picks the team!), and Richard Gough to
the Scottish League for any breach of League rules.

Why is Gough getting involved? Who knows. Maybe he is getting his own
back on McLean, who did treat him and others with fear/scare tactics.
However, is the national and Rangers captain setting an example
to national and Rangers players. I think the answer is no. I mean could
you see Stuart Pearce or Gary Lineker when he was national captain 
even have the stupidity to publicly slag a league manager in the tabloid
press, and not expect a severe carpeting, or even loss of captaincy, at
least at national level. These questions must be asked. Is Gough
expressing his opinion just coincendentally at the time of his
employer having a feud with the Utd chairman in question? Will Murray
take disciplinary action against Gough? Would Rangers report
ex-players to the League who publicly try to damage Walter Smith's or
David Murray's character and criticise their style of management?
More importantly, are the press going to accept that Ferguson is not
for sale, which is a FACT, and is not going to Rangers?

Colin G. Milne
DIT
Scotland
From: wardl@asgard.dcu.ie (Liam Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Good week for Liverpool
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:25:57 -0600
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In Message 26 Jan 93 11:03:13 GMT,
  stevensm@t9.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens) writes:


>Liverpool played a full top level game this week along with
>the boys across the park.  Both teams went over the water
>to Ireland.
>
>Liverpool won 2 : 0  against Derry Girls Hockey XI
>
>and Everton clawed a 3 goal recovery win, 3  :  2
>against Irelands Selected Cubs XI.
>
>Looks like the Liverpool teams are on a roll.
>

Way off the mark, Mik.

The correct results for last weekend are:

Derry City 2 - Everton 3 (Derry were 2-0 up at half-time)

Shelbourne 1 - Liverpool 2 (a ball bounced off Walter's head and into the
net for 'Pool's second goal)


Liam

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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The 'great' Milan?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:10:23 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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My two cents on the Milan debate:
It is silly to downplay this current Milan team.  They are awesome, and
is not fair to attribute their dominance to the weakness of other 
teams.  However, I agree with most of the netters that this team is
not so good as the 1988-89 and 1989-90 teams.  I have been following
Serie A since I moved to California in August of 1988, and I recall
that Milan team (on its good days) as even more of a "machine" than
the current one.  Baresi, Gullit, and Donadoni were much better
then than now.  What I remember best about that team (as others have 
noted) was how the entire game would be played in the other side's
half.  The 4-0 victory over Steau in the EC1 final (1989) was one
of the most awesome displays of soccer I have ever seen.  Though this
team has its games where it is fun especially fun to watch (e.g. 
the Fiorentina and Lazio games), I don't believe they play the
"pressing" now as effectively as they did then.


Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: esh036@cck.coventry.ac.uk (RED*DEVIL)
Subject: MAN UTD/CHAMPIONSHIP
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:55:46 GMT

What the hell is all this talk about United not having the experience
to win the championship in the end???? Bollocks!!!!
A couple of 36 year olds with championship medals wont win you the 
championship, but determination will, and after last years dissappointment
the players will be even more determined. But for all those who think
experience is important perhaps we should play Bobby Charlton and Dennis
Law, then we'll win the title eh??????
Anybody who has seen Cantona, Giggs and Sharpe play recently will know 
that it is an attack that would rival AC MILAN, Giggs himself has been quoted
at 20million but Utd wont let him leave and with a consistently solid 
defence + renewed determination I dont believe Utd will slip up this year.
They will also slide past Sheff Utd in the next round of the cup which could
mean the double is a very real possibility. They only have to worry about
keeping Cantona,Giggs,Hughes,Sharpe & Ince fit and theyre home and dry!!!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: Re: Premier League standings???
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:55:11 GMT

: P.S. Are there any Everton fans out there?

You bet !

P.S. Everton for the title in '93-'94! 

P.P.S. Everton should check Mika-Matti Paatelainen (Aberdeen) out (aren't 
they searching for a big, strong striker with good headers?). 


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From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Re - Aston Villa wont last the pace ...
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:22:28 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET wrote:
: Mukesh Kasanjee writes...
: >Aston Villa may appear to be threatening at this stage, but I have serious
: >doubts that they have the character to challenge Man Utd for the Championship.
: >Big Fat Ron just dont have it to take a team all the way.

: You seriously think Fergusson has it to take Man U all the way?
: He's done a fine job of getting nearly there so far.
: The man and his team have a fine history of bottling it at the final fence
: and I really think it would have to be a case of Villa screwing up if Alex's
: army win it, but Fat Ron won't let this happen - too many players in the
: current Villa squad who have been there already.

: And I'm a West Brom fan, so you cannot expect too support for the Villa from me

: Regards, Sean

Well thanks for that insight into the championship race there Sean.
I can see that you have researched your subject really well. Take the
rest of the week off and don't come back until you're feeling better.
:-)

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: girault@imag.fr (Alain Girault)
Subject: Re: Spanish league fixtures
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:22:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.173001.17201@wam.umd.edu> waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:
>Could someone with a list of the Spanish league fixtures please 
>tell me the dates of the following matches:
>
>Atletico Madrid - Real Madrid
>Real Madrid - Atletico Madrid
>
>Atletico Madrid - Barcelona
>Barcelona - Atletico Madrid
>
>Barcelona - Real Madrid
>Real Madrid - Barcelona
>
>Thanks a lot.

Who cares. Those will be the interresting matches (from the title point of
view):

Deportivo La Coruna - Tenerife
Tenerife - Deportivo La Coruna

>-Dave
>

Alain.


-- 

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Laboratoire de Genie Informatique
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ppj@unislc.uucp (Peter Jones)
Subject: English league results wanted
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:01:09 GMT

does anybody know if they played on tuesday and wednesday this week in the
premier league (Jan 26,27th)? I am specifically interseted in Man U vs Notts
forest and liverpool  v leeds.

- Peter Jones

Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:20196 soc.culture.celtic:8826
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: UK fans, PLEASE GO!  NOT...
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:15:12 GMT
	<1993Jan26.115640.14311@fwi.uva.nl>
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <1993Jan26.115640.14311@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

   >In article <1993Jan21.010042.6383@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:

   >oh well. We in the UK will just piss off so you can get through the messages
   >more quickly, after all, we wouldn't want to put you through any trouble now,
   >would we? I DO NOT THINK!!
   >Obviously us scum in the UK don't deserve to use the NET and should immediatly
   >leave to make your life easier...


   >no, we won't

   >in fact, why don't YOU lot create a new NEWS group called
   >rec.sport.soccer.inane.crap.about.armenia.etc


   >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
   >John B at the DIT
   ><e-mail : mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk.
   >FORZA MILAN!!!   FORZA DUNDEE!!!   FORZA SAO PAULO!!!
   >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

/   You still don't get it? English soccer is technically and tactically INFERIOR
/   to European soccer. It's a lot of trouble first having to get through all 
/   that only-important-to-you crap, so why don't you just create an own newsgroup?
/   Or aren't there enough English soccer-fans to do that?

/   Greetings from Europe!

No, YOU don`t seem to get it. Who cares if someone`s football is technically
superior to someone elses! There is still interest in it. More and more 
people in the States are interested infootball over there and it is not
superior to Italian or UK football.

There are a lot of `only-important-to-you-crap' letters on here because there
are so many people who it is important to. This should be amended to
` not-important-to-a-few ' perhaps. This should not be taken as offensive, but
please don`t complain about the numbers of people sending postings in because
these same people read the stuff!

I now realize that a uk news group would just end up with cross postings and
a lot of us read foreign stuff as well. If you don`t like uk stuff then skip
it. The subjects usually make clear foreign articles from Uk ones. 
i.e. uk titles - especially scottish ones recently - are completely
meaningless! ( Most of my postings have reasonable titles I think )


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From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    WBA sign David Speedie


The baggies have borrowed the wee chap for a 2 month loan period, now
that he has finished a similar load spell with our good friends
Brummiescum City.

Regards, Sean
From: dc92amn@brunel.ac.uk (Ashuin M Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: q    q
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:39:36 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

what does "q     q" mean



Ashuin M Naik (dc92amn@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
: sunday

: wolves 0 bolton 2
: sheff wed 1 sunderland 0
: norwich 0 tottenham 2
: barnsley 4 west ham 1
:  

: saturday

: division 2

: west bromwich 1 stoke 2  - a phenomenal 29341 saw stoke go 21 games 
: 			   unbeaten and go 10 points clear of albion
From: smurray@cs.strath.ac.uk (Stephen Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: hands off FERGIE ya bastards
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:47:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes
> Iain Ferguson is a dirty wee shite who has never seen a football in his 
> life but kens' how tae amputate the opposition players legs
Purely coincidentally of course, but wasn't St Mirren's winner in the 87
Scottish Cup Final scored by a certain I Ferguson.

> Gough had class but has now lost it all
Surprise surprise.

> Dodds, Gough, Kirkwood all followed to the  'homeland', at Ibrox
Dodds went to Neuchatel Xamax, then Eberdeen before 'coming home' to Ibrox.
Gough went to Spurs.
Kirkwood lasted a couple of months in the Rangers first team.

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From: weymouth@learn0.enet.dec.com (Don Weymouth)
Subject: East-West Soccer Ambasadors
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:58:02 GMT



Hi,

My state premier team was approached last night at a game, and three players
were highly encouraged to try out for this year's U-13 entry of the East-West
Soccer Ambasadors team. 

Does anyone have experience with this organization? They pick teams and travel
to Europe to play in a number of tournaments.

I would appreciate any first hand experience, thanks,

Don

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Subject: Re: LOI results & Rovers (Shamrock)
From: declan@vulcan.mentec.ie
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:24:05 GMT
Organization: Mentec Computer Systems, Dublin, Ireland
Nntp-Posting-User: declan

In article <1k48k7INNg49@nic.umass.edu>, ECMONT@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (EUGENE C MONTAGUE) writes:
> In <1993Jan25.093858.8663@rdg.dec.com> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com writes:
> 
>> (stuff deleted)> 
>> Shamrock Rovers and Waterford played out a scoreless draw at the RDS.  This
>> was a very boring game and a poor Rovers side left the field to boos and
>> catcalls.
> 
> More crap results for the Hoops :-(
> 
> From now on though `Forza Limerick!' and anybody else that can prevent that
> shower from Dalymount going off with the title.
> 

Eugene, 
It's great to see a Loyal fan of Shamrock Rovers facing up to the fact that
they can't win the league this year.  "THAT SHOWER FROM DALYMOUNT" just
happen to be on top at the moment and the way Bohs are playing they'll 
be there for the rest of the season.  Things must be bad in Rovers circles
if you have to start wanting Limerick to win.

I have to agree with you on one thing though.  Gary Spain's contributions
are usually excellent except for last weekend when Bohs defeated Limerick
in Dalymount.

Declan.

The Bohs mailing list is coming on stream soon can can be reached at
declan@vulcan.mentec.ie
From: jeremyk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Jeremy Kivell)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:08:53 GMT
Subject: Swansea/Cardiff vid. wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer


I know this is a long shot, but here goes...

Did anyone happen to video the Autoglass Trophy game between
Cardiff and Swansea on Jan 19th?  I'm reliably(?) informed that 
it was shown live on Sky Sports (then again, someone may be having 
me on).  

If you are in posession of said recording, and would trust me with 
your tape for a couple of days, I'd be very grateful.

Ta muchly,

Jeremy (dishless, homesick, but happy Jack).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ian Ferguson (Rangers and Scotland)
From: sgilmou@eis.calstate.edu (Stephen Gilmour)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:00:07 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 
> Iain Ferguson is a dirty wee shite who has never seen a football in his 
> life but kens' how tae amputate the opposition players legs.

Well he certainly saw the ba' when he put it in the back of your
fuckin' net on 16 May, 1987.  And that one Scottish Cup winners
medal is more than everyone who has pulled on that hideous tangerine
jersey has got. 

Who put the ball in the arabs' net?
Ian Ferguson,
Ian Ferguson.

Ah, those were the days for good old Sint Murn. (Right, Dave :) )

Stephen.

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From: rigby@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (***ANDi RiGBY***)
Subject: Re: #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ###############
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:30:30 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Maybe its because I'm an Englishman-in-Vienna but I quite like
all the bitchin'. *AND* I'm a Liverpool supporter.
Keep it up! And sod off you boring bastards - you don't *HAVE* to
read the news.
ANDi RiGBY   (Man Utd fans are girlies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.turkish
From: benan@utkvx1.utk.edu (Basoglu, Benan)
Subject: Turkiye kupasi
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:12:00 GMT


Turkiye kupasi ceyrek final sonuclari:

Bursa       0 - F.Bahce      2
G.Saray     2 - Canakkale D. 0
Trabzon     4 - Kocaeli      1
Besiktas    3 - Sariyer      0

Tur atlayan takimlar:
F.Bahce
G.Saray
Trabzon
Besiktas

Kura cekimleri            : 30-Ocak
Yari final ilk maclari    : 10-Subat
Yari final ikinci maclari : 17-Mart


Selamlar

Benan BASOGLU
From: SI9_ST31089@DEBET.nhh.no (TENOLD, STIG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Hammers
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:18:26 GMT
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I've been reading this wondeful newsgroup for ages, but this is my first
attempt at a posting. Living in Norway, it's hard for me to get all the info. I
need on West Ham and what they're up to. A visit to Upton Park during Christmas
was magnificent, but I'd love to hear from any Hammers fans who regularly
attend the games at the Boleyn Ground (Alisdair  of bnr - keep up the good
work).
I'd also be interested if anyone could send me the Hammers' fanzines, especially 
On The Terraces. Regarding the current 'zine discussion, I'm sorry to say that
IMHO the Millwall fanzine "Lion's Den" must be one of the best.
If anyone would be interested in foreign fanzine, supporters of Brann, the
local team here in Bergen, make the best Norwegian one, unfortunately
uninspiringly titled "The Red Army". 
I'd be delighted to hear from any Hammers fans, especially those of you who 
witnessed the disaster at Barnsley's ground.

Stig Tenold
NHH, Norway
SI9_ST31089@debet.nhh.no