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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:37:01 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian Youth

Our youth have earned money by having an old-fashioned drive-in.
Hot dogs/chili dogs, sloppy-hoes, chips, ice cream, etc. were
served.  Customers drove into the church parking lot.  The youth
went to the car with a menu, some on rollar skates, took an order,
then back to the car with the food.  They even got some tips!
The kids dresed in 50's style, played old rock and roll, and
even had some period cars hanging around.  They did this once a month
in the summer for the last two years.

Also, we have a Yoplait yogurt factory near us which will
donate yogurt to groups wishing to make money.  The youth
sold the yogurt at $3 a case .  The main problem was that we
could not choose what kind, and some kinds didn't sell too
well...but, we were grateful for what was donated.  Perhaps
there are other companies that would do something similar.

We also served soup and salad meals before Wednesday night
Lenten service.  A couple parents would make the soup, the
kids would come after school and set up tables, cut up veggies,etc.
and then serve drinks and clean-up after.

I am one of our youth leaders for the coming year, so I would
appreciate any ideas for programs/fundraisers, too.

Our young people made enough over the past couple years to
send 10 people to New Orleans for the International Lutheran
Youth convention.  Our church was very generous in supporting
their activities.

Carol Nemec
YA67@FERRIS
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:43:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Dangerous Place!!!

I saw an interesting t-shirt that depicted a half-dozen or so endangered
species; African elephants,
         American Bald Eagles,
         Panda Bear,
         Albino Tiger, etc. Also a fetus. Beautiful colorful artwork.

The wording was something like this:    All of these "Endangered Species" are
protected by the law except one...


This poem seems to take a similar approach.

WKJ

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:03:54 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian Youth

Yvette:

Ask around.  That's a pretty big community you got there.  Ask your
local Christian bookstores if they know of any local Christian bands.
If your kids don't know of any, this is a good chance to introduce
them to an alternative to what they get at home from MTV and VH1.

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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From:         Abraham Amirtha <aamirtha@HPIOSF.CORP.HP.COM>
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              92 12:45 (noon)

>
> I found a couple more, but it depends on how fantasy is
> used.
>

	I like this verse and I have it on my office table.

	"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of you mouths, but only
	what is helpful for building others up.."
	Ephesians 4:29.

-Abraham Amirtharaj.

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:29:08 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: prolife alert: new poll figures

In article <CHRISTIA%92082908113604@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Kerry Stephenson
<KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> says:
>
>Hi all:
>
> [stats, etc deleted]
>Political extremism in any form is a dangerous sign.  It is the
>direction that leads a people into fascism and communism in their
>purest forms.

Agreed, extremism is dangerous, but extremism goes two ways.  The
Republican Convention went to the extreme "right" and tho I managed
to watch it, it really made me ill.

>
>If these numbers are accurate, we are in for a *real* culture war.
>We can expect the street activity to increase, and (my personal
>observation from studying the activists in one camp) to become more
>violent.

Expect it.  The traditional "conservative" crowd kept their noses
out of peoples personal lives - the current Republican platform
sticks their noses where they don't belong - including "family
values", "abortion rights", "gay rights", etc.

>
>It's getting dark out there.  Be prepared.

Yup, it's going to be the start of a war.  A war between people who
are begging for equal rights, and the right-wing fundies who think
they know what's best for everyone.

I'll probably be on the front line - fighting to protect my rights
from fanatics such as yourself who want to put me in an institution
simply because I'm a gay man begging for the same rights as every
other American Citizen (correct me if I'm wrong with that assertion).

>[etc]
>Hang on.  It could be a rough ride to the end of the century.

You bet it will be, and be assured that your right wing crazies
will loose - all because you can't seem to accept that people
love people no matter sex they are.

>Love INC,

Yeah - thanks.  *sigh*

I know I'm being harsh, but seeing the total ignorance portrayed
by various people here, I felt it time to express my anger.  Over
and over I see so many of you bashing people such as Bishop Spong
because he embraces same-sex marriages, or discounting John Boswell
of Yale Univ because he doesn't espouse your views - it goes on and
on...  Tell me this - just what/who would be convincing to you?

-Tim  [frustrated at the unbelievable ignorance I see]
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:32:33 EDT
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stray thoughts on Sodom.

--------------- From Yvette...
I would like to add that Lot did tell this son-in-laws to get out too,
they did not believe him so why would the others believe him.
Remember that a prophet is without honor in his own country.



   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst  in  Dallas - Texas



--------------- From Carol...
Perhaps the residents of Sodom failed to heed any
warnings because they enjoyed their life so much.

Perhaps residents of today's world are also failing
to heed warnings because we enjoy life so much.

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CAROL NEMEC                             +
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FERRIS STATE UNIVERSITY                 +
BIG RAPIDS, MI 49307                    +   PHILIPPIANS 4:13
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:23:27 CDT
From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer list additions

I would also add the people in Bosnia, the victims of Andrew and the mothers
and fathers who have decided against overwhelming odds to not to abort.

Renee

P.S. In my area, there are collections being taken (composed primarily of
money) for the victims of Andrew.  The devestation in many areas is tremendous
and many of the people have no insurance.  For those who can give, you may
wish to contact one of your local news sources to see if such a program is
underway in your area.
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Subject: Spong: Correction


MAKS> Okay, so I haven't gone to bed yet.. And I see perhaps I should
      have. The following was from my last post with a correction
      noted following.

"sound" their arguments are. If someone has the soundest of arguments,
and it doesn't agree with the Bible, then I'm sorry, but that person
is wrong. For heaven's sake, doesn't anyone have the Holy Spirit?
Doesn't anyone KNOW the mind of God from time to time? Haven't you
ever walked into a church or religious meeting and KNEW that the
Holy Spirit was there big time, and also that God was almost totally
absent?

MAKS> Man am I tired. The above portion was supposed to read..........

Doesn't anyone KNOW the mind of God from time to time? Haven't you
ever walked into a church or religious meeting and KNEW that the
Holy Spirit was there big time, and also WALKED INTO PLACES AND KNEW
that God was almost totally absent? (And to expound a bit more on
the totall absent side, all the people were "pie in the sky when
I die by and by" but nothing for the "dirty here and now", we just
have to struggle by and make it on our own. No hope, just pray you
make it.)

MAKS> I know it was confusing to me, and if I couldn't understand
      my own post, what hope was there for the rest of you? :-)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:54:25 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      To Kerry about math tests

Kerry:

First, I don't watch SNL, so I am not familiar with their gag line of
"Deep Thoughts."

You included the post in the midst of much discussion on the List, much of
which (homosexuality, family values, Mary, etc.) has been pretty heated.

>  Instead of having "answers" on a math test, they should
>  just call them "impressions."  And if you got a different
>  "impression," so what?  Can't we all be brothers?

> For some reason, it reminded me of us.  :-)

I mistakenly took the last line to mean that with all our different impressions
we could still just relax and call each other brother.

I'm sorry if you think you were misquoted or taken out of context. That was
not my intent. I will try to be more careful when quoting you in the future.

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:56:47 CDT
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      WILLIAM BENNETT...

 Wasn't he the secretary of education a few years/months ago?
 (Shows ya how much "G" knows 'bout Washington... but, then...
 with my schedule???)
 Just curious...
 Theresa

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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:09:00 EST
From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Catholics and Protestants and Life, the Universe,
              and Everything

J.T.J.

A good friend of mine once said, my thoughts are not your thoughts, and my
ways are not your ways. You are of the Earth, I am from Heaven.

I tend to agree with many of the things you have written. Things that belong
to God, the Lord; how could we know them unless He had taken special
measures to make us aware of them.

We walk by faith, not by sight, hope for the best, but the greatest of
these is LOVE which is the BOND OF PERFECTNESS.

WKJ=Bill James
James@Xavier.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:15:20 EDT
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Matt. 24...

I think you did fantastic.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:08:56 EDT
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: biblical interpretations on homosexuality

Mark,

     I don't believe that practicing Homosexuals are saved any more than I
believe that the churches should accept abortion as "Pro-Choice".  If the
Methodist church has adopted that stance as someone stated here, then I am
ashamed that I was a Methodist.  When we have the spirit of Christ within us,
we are like Christ.  I won't even try to consider the notion that Christ would
approve.  This is not biblical.  The bible plainly points out that God does
not approve of murder or same sex.  How can we think God sactions that which
is an abomination to him?  We have given the verses over and over and they
just can't see them.  We shouldn't argue with anyone over this because it will
never end.  I have been watching it for years on here.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:10:43 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: Has Jesus Returned???

Jesse,

My intention wasn't to be unascertainable, I don't even know what the word
means :-) What I was trying to say is that it sounds somewhat silly to
me (NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE'S BELIEFS) that Jesus has already returned, I mean,
I can see some signs of a more or less soon return (I also see signs of a
not so soon return) but none of the characteristics of an already
plenified Kingdom. Like JW's 'Jesus came spiritualy' OK then how about "The
Son of man will come as a lightning that is seen from east to west" or
"The same Jesus will return as you've seen Him go" There was all the church,
I spect that when Jesus returns all the Church will note it very clearly.

Shalom,
Memo.
PS PRayer voting :  Abortion, Bosnia and Somalia tied in 1.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:14:17 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      apology and explanation

Hi all:

In writing my post on radical feminism, I notice that I inadvertently
used my Politics alias for the signature (no, I'm not falsifying my
identity over there; there was another Kerry first, and I had to
choose another name.)

It's just that the whole thing is so....so....*political*.  I guess
I got confused.

Oddly enough, there's been a lot of religion floating through the
Politics list lately.  Hmmm.

Anyway, sorry if I confused anyone.

Love INC,
         --Kerry (the genuine article)
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Subject: Moral Values...
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 Kerry... the dope-peddler needs what my Dad calls
 "An attitude adjustment!"....
 I can find other ways of makin' money to support myself.
 Geez.....
 You're right... the kid in the audience had GUTS to
 ask that question!
 The problem's real, it's not just in Chicago, it's not
 just in NYC.... it's even on the streets of Hattiesburg,
 MS... it's right here... right on this campus where I go
 to class every day.
 I guess my prayer is that I can stay outta that mess, and
 stay in the BOOK....
 God Bless you real good...
 Theresa
 "G"

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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:20:26 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Secular Humanist flyer

Angela Zimerman is proposing to post "a flyer that has the beliefs
of the secular humanists." I have no objection to her doing so, but
I should like to point out that there is no Secular Humanist
organization, or any recognized leader. Most of those who say, "I am
a Secular Humanist," mean simply, "I do not believe in God or any
alleged supernatural entities or events." Those who do not believe
in God will not necessarily agree with one another about what they
do believe.
     So, when you read it, do not think of it as "what Secular
Humanists believe." Think of it as "what some Secular Humanists
believe."

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:26:20 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Perpetual Viginity of Mary (WAS Jesus OR Pope?

Marty:

Are you saying that Jesus did *not* have brothers?

And am I correct here in assuming that there is no *Biblical*
case for the perpetual virginity of Mary?  (Your answer references
"teachings"; I am wondering where those "teachings" were coming from.)

Thanks.

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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In article <CHRISTIA%92082310301214@ASUACAD.BITNET>, KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes...
>Marty:
> 
>Are you saying that Jesus did *not* have brothers?

	In John 2:17, after Jesus has swept the Temple clear: "His 
disciples recalled the words of Scripture: `Zeal for your house will 
consume me.'" His disciples applied these words to the actions of 
Jesus. This comes from Psalm 69:9. I want to quote this psalm, 
starting from verse 7: "For your sake I have suffered reproach; I dare 
not show my face for shame. I have become a stranger to my brothers, 
and alien to my mother's sons. Zeal for your house has consumed me; 
the insults aimed at you have landed on me." (Psalm 69:7-9 REB).

	It would appear that is the Zeal portion applied to Jesus, 
then His mother had sons. There is no change in voice. And the 
disciples attributed the zeal portion to Jesus.


 en agape,
 Bob 
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:13:41 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Matthew 24

Dear Memo ;

It is a direct extrapolation of Jesus' words when he says in the Matthew and
Mark synoptics, "This is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet."
Daniel essentially was making his reference to those events and Jesus was
citing the source of the prophecy.



Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:29:43 EDT
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Article on Abortion
X-To:         Practical Christian Life <CHRISTIA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

An interesting article on abortion on demand as an anthropological/social
biology phenomenon appeared in the most recent issue of _The Sciences_,
a magazine published by the New York Academy of Sciences.  The article
is in the "On Human Nature" column, pp.12-15 of the September/October
issue.  A warning, however -- I recommend this article because of what
I regard as some interesting and potentially helpful theories which the
author sets forth as an explanation of the development of the current
situation regarding abortion on demand.  The author is decidedly pro-
choice, but that has little impact on the validity of his theories.

I would like to put in a plug for this magazine.  The articles are written
in such a way that an educated non-scientist can understand them fairly
easily, they often deal with the relationship between scientific and social
issues, and they are not overlong.

Oh yeah -- I'm back to receiving mail.  Hopefully my mailbox won't get
swamped and I'll have the time to devote to reading and replying to
posts of interest.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Blest is the nation ...

Kerry, a nation can no more choose to be a nation for God than a person
can.  What King David said aplied only to the Jews, and they didn't choose
God, He chose them.  The United States cannot be a Godly nation.  It is
possible that it could be a nation that contained Godly people, but that's
all.  Even if the entire administration were Christians, which they are
not, that wouldn't make for a "Godly" country.  The only way you can have a
Godly country is for God to set it up and run it Himself, which is
certainly not the case here in theocratic terms.  In absolute terms, God
did set up the United States, and Germany, and Brazil, aht, for that
matter, Russia.

That, however, is because He controls all of the affairs of man and nothing
gets done without His controlling it.  The United States is not a
theocracy.  I agree that the government cannot be neutral to God, thus, it
will always be antagonistic.  Jesus said that the world would hate His
followers, so an elected Christian should be an oxymoron.

Dan Graham
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:37:19 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Their Lady of Cold Springs

Jesse --

   I am very familiar with "argumentum absurdum."  Thank you very
much.  G.K. Chesterton used it quite effectively in his debates G.B.
Shaw.  However, G.K. was trying to make a point.  Tom makes no point
whatsoever with his "Their Lady..." bylines.  It makes me think he is
somewhat of a jerk.  Sorry, I'm being a bit defensive.

   Something tells me it may be time for you and Tom to stop being
concerned with the "final welfare" of Catholics "(sic)" and start
being concerned with the order of your own homes.  Opps!  Was I being
"malevolent"?  Sorry, my mistake.

   I must say that I was blessed by the Grace of God.  I have four
wonderful friends, Baptist (Fundamental), Methodist, and Lutheran.
We always have wonderful lively discussions on our faith, the Bible,
Church, and all the joys that accompany this journey we are on.  Not
once have I ever had to defend one of these men to anyone for
statements attributed to them.  Not once have I ever been ridiculed
by them over the "Guacamole" Lady.  We treat each other with love and
respect.  It seems to me that God is working miracles with us.

Maybe you and Tom should give it a try?

Frank