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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 15:36:50 -0500 
From: "Mark J. Bearden" <mb7t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: UA (and Miami)

In an earlier post,

> What's the revenge factor with Miami, here?  Did I forget some historic
> drubbing that Alabama has been mulling over for years?

No, the '90 Sugar Bowl, Miami beat Bama.  Or rather, local Alabama opinion
was strongly that Bama did it to themselves again.  That was (Thank God!)
the last game Bama played under Bill Curry, who is now doing it to
Kentucky.

If I am correct, Bama was ranked #2 in 89, heading into the final stretch
against Auburn.  They went into that game heavily favored, and should have
won, but the offensive coaching staff decided to abandon the passing
strategy that had worked all year (and won David Hollingsworth SEC QB-of-the-
year honors), and allowed Auburn the win.  The Miami game looked much the
same, to Bama fans who expected better.

Mark Bearden
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh
(UA '91)
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:01:46 GMT


 [Stuff about Torretta finding a way to win in crunch time.]


>>
>>Sorry.  In crunch time, some FSU joke tried to field a punt at the 1.  In
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Um, actually, it wasn't the player's fault. He was told by "Mr. Choke" Bowden
>to try and make something happen. Of course, the wrong thing happened. Just
>another screw up by everybody's so-called "saint". Don't go blaming players
>for the fuck-ups of moronic coaches.
>

I stand corrected.  Of course, the point is still valid, i.e. that Torretta
did not "find a way to win" that game.

>
>Kevin
>



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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: My Top 25
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.135342.10153@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> just to add another poll into the works, i thought i'd post my
> vote to the rsfc poll, with a little commentary......

> 5. Florida State.  Remember how EVERYONE here seemed to think FSU would
>                    lose 1 or 2 ACC games. HA!

Barring a Georgia Tech choke short of only my Chicago Bears, they do
lose a game.

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:42:18 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov10.035014.26987@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:

> In article <1992Nov9.160738.14595@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
> >
> >What if:
> >A&M and Alabama wind up undefeated??  They can't meet in a Bowl game.

> >and the worst case for me personally??  Miami, Alabama, and A&M all 
> >undefeated...  A&M has virtually no chance to win the title.  A&M would
> >have to pound Notre Dame or Florida State by 20 and pray for the Miami
> >Alabama game to be sloppy and close to have a chance.  I ask you, which
> >would you prefer?
> >A: Having to beat Miami by 1 for the MNC
> >B: Having to beat (Florida State/Notre Dame/Washington or Arizona) by 20+
> >      and wait to see...

> A: A&M couldn't beat Miami by 1 (unless you count the Vegas point spread)
> B: Each of those team would probably kill A&M  (20+ in your dreams!)

  Actually, I believe A&M *could* pound ND, now that we have an offense.  I do
not believe we could pound Fla. St., but we could beat them.  Yeah, yeah, I 
know, weak schedule, blah, blah, blah.  But if we Handle Houston like we should
be able to, then yes, I think W's are not unreasonable things to expect from
A&M against any of the top 10.

> How about a third choice:
> C: Meet Stanford in a bowl game rematch. A&M would have a tough
> time winning again, the way the Trees have been playing. (Three loses,
> but only to Top Ten teams.)

  Yeah, but the first loss was to *our* top 10 team!  I might say it would
hard for Stanford to pull the upset, because of how A&M has been playing
lately!  So it works both ways...

> So, lose to Texas, and save yourself the frustration of praying for
> the MNC! :^)  Maybe Stanford will finish in or near the Top Ten and play 
> you again in the Mobil Bowl. (Now I'm dreaming. :^} )

  Yup.  The only reason to be frustrated is because I'm positve 'BAMA WILL
HUMILIATE MISS. ST. AND AUBURN AND GO ON TO DESTROY MIAMI IN THE SUGAR BOWL!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!*

* note subtle anti-woof.



semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 12:40:33 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@ruapehu.engin.umich.edu


In article <dkm2.721065154@Isis.MsState.Edu>, dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov6.012518.25771@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
> >|> Some specifics from the Seattle Times:
> >|> 
> >|> [specifics about loan origination deleted]
> >|> 
> >|> Hobert said he originally borrowed $25K in April and spent it within a month.
> >|> He said he bought a 1991 Camaro for about $9K, and used $5K to pay off his 
> >|> wife's Blazer, and $2900 to do the same on a Hyundaihe already owned.  He put
> >|> $1200 toward car insurance, spent about $1K on a semi-automatic pistol and 
> >|> hunting rifle, and returned $2500 to a woman he had lived with briefly during
> >|> his separation with his wife.  
> >|> 
> >|> Hobert said he then went back to Rice for another $10K in May and $15K in 
> >|> June.  He said he traded in the '91 Camaro for a '92 Camaro, added a $4K
> >|> stereo system, and spent much of the remaining money entertaining friends.
> 
> >Ah ha, now we're talking "Hard Copy" material!
> 
> >|> GT
> 
> Yep.  So now the ethical issue,  giving Eric Ramsey food is going to hurt 
> Auburn
> but this friendly little 'loan' is fine for Washington. 

	Look, Eric Ramsey received money from people affilated with Auburn.
Hober got his loan from a guy in Idaho who is in no way affiliated with 
the University of Washington.  Do you seriously think that the Coaching 
Staff and the Team, who had no idea that this had taken place, penalized
for one persons doing.   

	Did Hobert came out and accused the University of Washington like
Ramsey did to Auburn?  No!  What ever happens to Hobert is his own fault.  
In no way should the University be penalized.

	BTW, Don James runs a clear program with harsh discipline.  He is 
the last person in the face of the earth who would allow any violation of
NCAA rules to occur.

- Chung Yang


- Chung Yang
> 
> 
> David
> 
> -- 
>                David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
>          MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
>  Mississippi State University |
>           dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK)
Subject: Re: What's the Bowl picture?
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:54:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.023114.22386@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>In article 3413@u.washington.edu, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>|salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>>|
>>|>Fiesta Bowl:?
>>|
>>|	Really depends on the results of the SEC championship.  If
>>|	Alabama loses, they will end up here, matched up with Miami,
>>|	Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Texas A&M (if they lose to Texas),
>>|	Boston College, Arizona, and half a dozen other teams.
>>|
>>|>Citrus Bowl:? 
>>|
>>|	Two of the teams listed for the Fiesta Bowl as possiblities
>>|	will end up playing here.
>
>Citrus takes the winner of the ACC versus whoever.

EHHH WRONG!!! Sorry, try again next time. FSU (ACC Champ) is gauranteed a 
spot in either the sugar, orange, or cotton...not the citrus...I believe
that goes to the ACC runner up...though I  am not sure of this.

>
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Kevin TSS
From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark A. Jamison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:17:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Nov9.161748.14337
Organization: Mississippi State University

In article <cls4.721322494@Isis.MsState.Edu> cls4@ra.msstate.edu (Charles L. Spirrison) writes:
>
>
>A. On October 1, the Mississippi State Bulldogs POUNDED the Florida Gators.
>   ... it wasn't even close.  Shane was simply rattled by the defense.
>B. Mississippi State is currently 7-2.  The Gators are 6-2.
>C. Florida is ranked 13 by USA Today/CNN, 11 in the AP.
>D. Mississippi State is ranked 16 in each poll.
>
>  .... something is wrong here
>

It's actually fairly easy to understand.. Florida gets more respect from the
Coaches than MSU does. Even though they were completely humiliated by
Tennessee  and Mississippi State in back to back games they didn't  drop
out of the polls.. Anothe factor also is look at who the two teams lost to.



>Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for
>State.  QB Plump (or his sub) must have a good game.  A number of completions
>will be needed to keep the Alabama defense honest, and to insure a productive
>running game.  State's defense is good enough to keep the Alabama scoring down
>PROVIDED that the defense isn't on the field much over half of the game.
>The Bulldogs can win this game (with a little luck).  Maybe THEN they'll be
>ranked over Florida!

Oh if they win this game, and the coaches polls hold to form this season,
they will be somewhere at or around 10th.. We'll find out this week
if the Alabama Defensive line is as good as their "Tulane-padded" stats
indicate, now that they are actually facing a real offensive line..
--
______________________________________________________________________________
                       Still looking for Luthien
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:13:35 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.153324.24275@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan) writes:
>I agree, I haven't seen any team that can even compare to the talent and
>motivation that the Hurricanes have.  They can and will be #1 in the end

Don't know about motivation, but Florida State takes them on talent. Hands
down. Watch a tape of either last year's or this year's game. The team
with the best talent doesn't always win. 

This isn't a slam at Miami. They've had great teams most of the last few
years. Generally the second best in the country, and usually enough guts
and luck to beat the best team (which has been FSU). 

--
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.161219.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> owen@ducvax.auburn.edu  
writes:

> Out of all the possible Dye replacements, please God don't let it
> be Danny Ford!  Just what we need -- another tobacco-chewing redneck!

How about Barry Wilson?

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: AP top 10 remaining games, Syracuse road to the top
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.154602.26191@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.151320.2111@spss.com> mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:
>>          11/14         11/21         11/28         12/6
>>          -------       -------       -------       -------
>> Miami    Temple        Syr           SDSU
>> (8-0)                  (10)
>>          ---------------------------------------------------
>
>Scenarios not involving Syracuse deleted.
>
>
>>          ---------------------------------------------------
>> Syr      Bost C        Miami
>> (8-1)    (17)          (1)
>>          ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> If Syracuse wins their last 2 games and Alabama stumbles (2 BIG ifs),
>> could be Syracuse vs TAMU for the MNC. Michigan will loose in the Rose Bowl.
>> 
>> --
>> Mike Cornwall
>> mike@spss.com
>
>What happens if Syracuse beats BC but loses to Miami, as expected?
>Where does Syracuse (at 9-2) go bowling?  Reportedly, Joe Paterno
>has rejected Syracuse as an opponent for the Blockbuster Bowl.
>
>

I heard that too Bob (we must read the same paper) Interesting in that
Syracuse may be left out on New-Years day.

I don't have the whole senario in front of me but:
 
Fiesta Bowl likes Colorado and would likely take Arizona Over Syracuse if 
they win their last two games.

ND, Nebraska, Bama, Miami, A&M, FSU, Nebraska, Big Ten runner up, 
SEC runner-up, Big East 3rd place team, Michigan, Washington are guarenteed
NYD bowls (if in some cases they continue to win).  

This somehow leaves the Blockbuster bowl with the only available slot
for NYD.  Poor Syracuse, they won't play PSU in Basketball, refused to
renew the FB series, turned down a sugestion to play a 4 year football series
at the Meadowlands.  I hear the John Hancock bowl would take them if they
are available.


John L

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From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: New A&M QB (was Lee Corso's prediction)
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:39:11 GMT

HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>I write:

>> mmarolda@NeoSoft.com (Mike Marolda) writes:
>> 
>> >As good as they looked, I thought Schorp (sp?) got tackled pretty easily.  
>> >If he'd stepped over a few shostring tackles,  I think the passing yardage
>> >would've looked much better.
>> 
>> They haven't had time to work on moves after the catch.  They've been too
>> busy taking fielding practice up to this point (keep the ball in front of
>> you, and keep the glove on the ground...)

>  Too true, too true.  But really, has all Austin gotten this depressed?  It's
>come down to little jabs at Aggie problems that have (hopefully) gone away...
>What happened to all those "SPANK the Aggies" posts?  I almost miss them.  

Gee, you *haven't* been paying attention, have you?   I'm far from a Longhorn
fan.  As a matter of fact, I've been a reasonably vocal and remarkably
objective Jayhawk poster (is this a setup line or *what*?).  I've just
seen too many rock skipping contests in A&M games this year while desperately
pleading with the networks to show a Kansas score.  I wouldn't have even
commented on any Aggie related issues except that Granger is the only college
QB I've seen this year who has a harder time hitting his receivers than
Chip Hilleary.

>  Seriously, I haven't seen any whining out of the Longhorn fans on the net, 
>and for that you guys should be commended.

Well, they're keeping it off the net, but hooooooey, you should hear it around
the coffee machine.  Yeesh.


And speaking of whining, you should have caught my synopsis of the Nebraska
game.  Of classic vintage.



						Al
						alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
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From: steve@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu ()
Subject: Re: How CU could still win the Big 8 (hee hee)
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:16:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: steve@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu ()
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network/University of Oklahoma

Well Class is what it is all about.    Maybe the beer sales at the games
needs to be stopped

 like it is here.  That would help calm the fans!

 Steve

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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:13:09 GMT

aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
>If the Spartans win their last two games (a reasonable possibility -- they
>play Purdue at home and then the finale at Illinois), it will give them a
>6-2 Big Ten record (which, I admit, doesn't say much this year) and a 6-5

Well, MSU won't be having a 6-2 record at the end of the season... if we can at
all help it!!!  So, I don't think that you are going to have a lot to worry
about...   ;-)


  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: ds4@teer5.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.145656.23582@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
|> 
|> Please reread my response to Criqui's comment, above.  Yes, sometimes a
|> quarterback is a "winner", i.e. he may or may not have great stats, but
|> when the chips are down he gets that crucial third down, or whatever.
|> But merely the fact that a quarterback's team wins does not necessarily
|> put him in this category.  Don't get me wrong -- I think Torretta is a fine
|> quarterback, but HE didn't make the crucial play when the chips were down
|> for Miami this year, their defense did.  To give him undue credit for the

	The most important and biggest play of the year was Torretta's touchdown
pass to Lamar Thomas in the FSU game.

|> team's success in their two most crucial games is either unfair (often a
|> product of media hype -- my original point) or ignorant of how the team
|> performed.
|> 
|> The funny thing is, media overhyping can change its emphasis 180 degrees.
|> Remember Andre Ware's Heisman hyping?  The argument in those days was that
|> his stats were great.  Nobody argued that "he just found a way to win,"
|> because his team had some losses.
|> 
|> The Heisman is not a joke.  The media's overhyping of it and uninspired or
|> unintelligent analysis of who are the best players is.  It's unfortunate
|> that so many voters take to heart the comments of such intellectual dwarfs
|> as Beano Cook, Lee Corso, et al.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
|> mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
|> "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 04:06:55 GMT

In article <26054@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <!fA=Ag+@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>> 	Flame on?  Nope.  The Husky fans have too much class for that! 
>
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Too much class? Now that's a good one!!
>Geez - until this moment I didn't even think they had a sense of humor never
>mind the slightest bit of class - I guess this "class" suddenly appeared
>when they had to realize that they are the second best team in the Pac-10
>this season huh? They'll most likely go to the Rose Bowl but everyone
>knows who really is the best in the Pac....
>
>
>			gln
>
>

Who?  Oregon State?  Wazzu?


-- 
-Richard
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.162647.19659@den.mmc.com> weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser) writes:
>
>I think the only positive thing that can be said about this guy is that maybe
>he will graduate some day and lose is access to the net.
>

Not in the near future... but I might become tired of fighting morons like you.

>Matt Weiser

Njan