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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:50:17 MST
From:         BOB STRINGFIELD <bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: First Internet Hunt
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Howard is correct.  How can one find out what is being maintained on
the various servers on the Internet?  Was not such a list being
published by the folks on the old CSNET at one time.  Wonder who
picked it up or if no one did could be a worthwhile project.  Nope.
Can't.  Volunteered for too many projects like this lately...
--bob

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From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15%BROWNVM.bitnet@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
Subject:      Re: RESULTS: First Internet Hunt

The breadth of information accessible via the Internet is really
quite impressive.  I didn't enter the contest, but I would like to pose
a question about the answers.  How is someone who doesn't know the
answer supposed to find the answer ?  That is, if you know that
exchange rates are posted on a server at Michigan, all well and good.
If you do not know this factotum, how are you supposed to find it
out. This to me is really more of a challenge than knowing the correct
answers.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:24:25 -0400
From:         ANDREW LAWLOR <LAWLOR@EDINBORO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Apple Library's Network Citizen Awards for 1992
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I too was pleased with the support from Apple and the recognition for the
recipients.  I was not aware of Current Cites - how does one access it?

-- Andrew Lawlor, Edinboro University of PA
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:18:22 CDT
From:         Susan Cromwell <SC06015@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Campus Information Kiosks

We are installing our first information kiosk in a visitor center this
month.  The University of Arkansas Information Kiosk is designed
with Macromind Director (now Macromedia) on a Mac IIci with Rasterops
STV board for NTSC video in a window; video is pressed to a videodisc and
read on a Pioneer 8000 player.  We use keyboard with built-in trackball
for navigating through Macromind; the kiosk is also networked to our
CWIS, currently CUINFO-based but by next month it will be gopher.  So,
the design is such that you click on buttons to activate video clips about
certain college programs, etc., and/or you 'switch over' to the
gopher interface to see current events schedule and other CWIS items.
We hope to incorporate the gopher interface so that all functions are
achieved through the Macromind 'movie' interface for interactivity instead
of having to switch screen presentation formats as we currently do.
We also hope to move away from NTSC video on laserdisc to Quicktime movies
(digital) when new QT is released which will allow variable window size and
near-motion video quality.

I'm happy to share more details if needed.

Susan Cromwell
Assistant Director
Computing Services
University of Arkansas
501-575-2905
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:00:20 PDT
From:         "Rick Gates" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      RESULTS: First Internet Hunt
              8 Sep 1992 15:18:38 EDT <920908

>The breadth of information accessible via the Internet is really
>quite impressive.  I didn't enter the contest, but I would like to pose
>a question about the answers.  How is someone who doesn't know the
>answer supposed to find the answer ?  That is, if you know that
>exchange rates are posted on a server at Michigan, all well and good.
>If you do not know this factotum, how are you supposed to find it
>out. This to me is really more of a challenge than knowing the correct
>answers.

I was wondering how long I'd go before seeing this question.  It cuts
right to the heart of the matter.  (Anyone used to reading Howard's
messages won't be suprised).

The reason the question cuts to the heart of the matter can be seen in
perhaps 50% of the traffic on many of the listservs.  There are
hundreds of threads on how best to provide training and instruction on
the Net.  We produce manuals, guides, and handouts, and have classes
and demonstrations.  The Net is growing in size, variety, and
importance.  Little wonder that we feel the need to produce these
instructional aids.  They're helpful.

But instructional aids can only take you so far.  There comes a time
when you have to jump in and swim.  Exactly *when* that first plunge
occurs depends, of course, on the prospective swimmer.

One of the points that I've tried to make with the Hunt is that you
can't bottle what's in the Internet.  The Net isn't a library building
full of books on floors 1 - 4 in stacks A - Z.

If the Net *is* a library, then its adding a new wing today
(overnight), while removing another; and all the books at the Reserve
Desk are being moved to a new location; the online catalog is being
augmented by 3 new tools, (one of which is free, one of which was
written by the new person in Dept. A); the entire phono disk
collection just disappeared; any number of users can simultaneously
check out the latest issue of the Journal of Obscure Chemistry; the
Reference department works at home now, and we just discovered 10,000
new books in a part of the library that we swear wasn't there
yesterday!

And tomorrow will be different.

In such an arena, I believe that the instructional aids that we will
find most useful for the longest period of time, are those that focus
on the tools that we use.  Let's learn the ropes (gopher, WAIS,
telnet, FTP, archie, etc.) and set sail.  The rest will follow.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:35:40 EDT
From:         David Millman <dsm@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Campus Information Kiosks
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu
              8 Sep 1992 15:18:13 EDT
              <9209081926.AA29663@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>

ours is a mac (LC), with a touch screen, in a rather severely locked
box, running a schnazzy gopher client (hypercard w/mactcp).  notable
extensions to a standard mac gopher client: corporate-kiosk-style
backgrounds, drop-shadows, etc; thumb-sized buttons; "search menu
title space" search (homegrown perl script searches against an
"ungopher"-generated db of local menu names); some help buttons; and
"Multi Media", viz, button-pushing makes noise and some 'quicktime'
video clips to get people to look at the thing when it's idle.

relatively inexpensive (except for the physical security) and the
tourists seem to just love it.

and we're looking forward to the u-of-minn team's "gopher+" extensions
which will let us take advantage of proportional fonts in titles, rtf
(or postscript, whatever) documents, net-delivered pictures, etc.

individuals who care can ask me & i'll point you to our developers.

/david

ps: usage has gone way up since the "marbelized" background and drop
shadows appeared.  this kind of stuff appears to be no joke.  --d
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:37:40 +0500
From:         John Doyle <doylej@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Accessing CWIS systems
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Scripted login to many campus systems is available through:
telnet liberty.uc.wlu.edu     (vt100)
login: lawlib

There are currently over 200, although what is considered a campus system
is fairly loose, so over half of those are gophers.  If anyone tries this
out, and has knowledge of a campus system that is not included, I would
appreciate receiving access instructions.

John Doyle.  Washington & Lee University.  doylej@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:13:40 EDT
From:         "John R. Stephens, Jr." <JSTEPHEN@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Campus Information Kiosks

Bill, we at UGA are also "building" some information kiosks.  We have, after a
year long study decided to use a technology based on the NAPLAPS Teletext
format.  This is to be run on our campuswide VIDEO system.  It will use a key
pad like an automated teller machine for interaction.

Before I get the screams of why not use data, etc..this system is designed for
campus information distribution for people who do not/will not/don't want/can't
have/etc/ computer network access.  This includes visitors.  The interface is
very simple.  Touch screens could be used, but the keypad is lower in cost.

The kiosks are presently being designed, that is we are still researching the
physical design and layout of the physical unit.  The "guts" of the unit are
already onboard.

I am now looking for a builder/prefab already built kiosk to purchase.  Any
information you have to share would be appreciated.

Will be out first part of next week for training on the system, call after if
you want more info.
John

John R. Stephens, Jr.-Director        Telephone (706) 542-1582
Instructional Resources Center        Facsimile (706) 542-0518
South Instructional Plaza             Bitnet    JSTEPHEN@UGA
University of Georgia                 Internet  JSTEPHEN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Athens, Georgia 30602-3015            Easylink 62056973   Telex 41-4190
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:18:38 EDT
From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RESULTS: First Internet Hunt

The breadth of information accessible via the Internet is really
quite impressive.  I didn't enter the contest, but I would like to pose
a question about the answers.  How is someone who doesn't know the
answer supposed to find the answer ?  That is, if you know that
exchange rates are posted on a server at Michigan, all well and good.
If you do not know this factotum, how are you supposed to find it
out. This to me is really more of a challenge than knowing the correct
answers.

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Howard Pasternack                                E-mail:  BLIPS15@BROWNVM
Library Systems/Planning Officer                 Phone:    (401) 863-3346
Brown University Library                         Fax:      (401) 863-2753
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This space is for rent.   Cheap.                 Will subdivide to suit.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:19:23 CDT
From:         Robin Mayne <CC061CC@TCUAMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Off Campus Access Policies

TCU provides off-campus modem access without distincting "classes"
of users (i.e., faculty compete with students).  We have 6800 students,
about 350 faculty and 16 dial-in lines.  There are also 5 dial-out
lines for connection (particularly from on-campus) to other services.
We STRONLYy discourage on-campus modems since our phone system is
digital.  So far this has been adequate but we, too, are constantly
monitoring demand and are prepared to expand the bank of modems
as the need arises.  Our CWIS is still somewhat rudimentary so
demands from non-TCU-related persons are minimal.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robin Mayne - BITNET: cc061cc@tcuamus    Information Services, Box 32883
Internet: rmayne@gamma.is.tcu.edu             Texas Christian University
User Services Mgr (817) 921-7695                Fort Worth, Texas  76129
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:44:31 EDT
From:         Ben Chi <BEC@ALBANY.BITNET>
Subject: Re: First Internet Hunt
              9 Sep 1992 09:50:17 MST from <bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:50:17 MST BOB STRINGFIELD said:
>Howard is correct.  How can one find out what is being maintained on
>the various servers on the Internet? . . .

NYSERNet publishes the "New User's Guide to Useful and Unique Resources
on the Internet" for $25 ($18 for NYSERNet affiliates).  Write NYSERNet,
Inc., 111 College Place, Syracuse NY 13244-4100.  About 150 pages.

But ... in that document, you're invited to ftp anonymously to nysernet.org
and get /pub/resources/guide/Guide.V.2.2.text  for a plain ASCII version.
About 300KB.
                                             /b
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:09:28 +0200
From:         Algirdas.Pakstas@IDT.UNIT.NO
Subject:      Lectures on Computer Technologies and Networking in Baltic
              Countries

Dear Colleagues,

Let us we will introduce ourselvs. We are computer scientists from
Vilnius, Lithuania (temporary staying in Trondheim, Norway). We both
are working in the Institute of Mathematics and Informatics of the
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences.  Main research topics are software
engineening for distributed computer systems, methods and tools for
development of distributed software configurations, networking, formal
methods, simulation of message passing systems.

We are going to visit USA in September-October, 1992 for conference.
We also are interested to visit american Universities and give some
lectures about our research results and more general lectures about
Computer Technologies and Networking in Baltic Countries.

Please, let us know if your organizations are interested in such
subjects and can be partial sponsors for our visit at least inside USA
(unfortunately, our host institute in Norway can't to provide full
funding). Our CVs and abstracts of possible lectures are available on
request.

Please, reply ASAP by e-mail or by FAX. Our address:

	Dr.Algirdas Pakstas / Sonata Pakstiene
	Division of Computer Systems and Telematics (IDT)
	The Norwegian Institute of Technology (NTH)
	The University of Trondheim (UNIT)
	N-7034 TRONDHEIM
	Norway

	PHONE: +47-7-594460 (secr.) or +47-7-594485 (direct in office);
	FAX  : +47-7-594466;
	TELEX: 55637 NTHAD.N
	Email: Algirdas.Pakstas@idt.unit.no

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

Algirdas Pakstas, Dr., Senior Scientific Staff
Sonata Pakstiene, Junior Scientific Staff
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:31:23 -0600
From:         Chris Michael <cm@NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sabbatical Assistance

This looks like an Annie thing...

>Chris, Do we want to do anything about this?
>
>Tamara
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>       If you're not interested in helping out a lowly Computing Center
>       Director identify some places to visit during his sabbatical from
>       November 1, 1992 through February 28, 1993, don't read on.....
>
>       I will be taking a sabbatical during the above mentioned times
>       and plan to visit a number of institutions of higher education
>       with the following objectives in mind:
>
>             o	  Learn how other institutions have configured their
>                  data communications networks, especially for high
>                  speed data.
>
>             o	  Investigate how Libraries, Computing Centers, and
>                  Audio/Visual departments have cooperated or
>                  reorganized to address common concerns.
>
>             o	  Research ways to establish an "Information Resource
>                  Management" function to address administrative
>                  information needs.
>
>             o	  Identify innovative computing applications in the
>                  academic area -- primarily instructional.
>
>       If you can help me out, please send me the name, voice address
>       (telephone number), electronic address, and/or surface mail
>       address of someone to contact.  This could be from your
>       institution or another.
>
>       Thanks in advance.
>
>       Joe Komar, Director Computing and Communication Services
>       University of St. Thomas (St. Paul, MN and not the Virgin
>       Islands)
>       Voice: (612)647-5812
>       Fax: (612)647-5955
>       Internet: JAKOMAR@STTHOMAS.EDU
>       Surface Mail: University of St. Thomas
>                     Mail # 5012
>                     2115 Summit Ave.
>                     St. Paul, MN 55105-1096

                    + christopher michael, associate director +
                    + academic computing and network services +
                    + northwestern university  <cm@nwu.edu>   +
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                    * most delicate care that the balances    *
                    * are correct.--Dune                      *
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Subject:      Bulletin Board

I am interested in subscribing to your bulletin board for librarians/archivists.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:31:35 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Internet document and class handout for FTP
              4 Sep 1992 09:24:58 EDT from <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>

Thanks to Judy for her pointers on documents pertaining to the Internet.
It seems there's an explosion of interest in the subject.  I'd like to
suggest a couple of other documents:  Zen and the Art of the Internet,
which was available in PD form, and soon will be out as a book from
a real publisher.  And another good guide is the CICNet Resource Guide,
just out this summer, available for $27 from:

CICNet Inc.
Attn: Kim Shaffer
2901 Hubbard, Pod A
Ann Arbor MI 48109

(E-mail: info@cic.net)

...

And now a pet query:  Does anyone have any good graphics that give a
quick flavor of what the Internet is all about?  Many readers of this
mailing this probably have to present Gopher or other CWISes in
presentations, and need to give a two minute "this is the Internet"
overview before they get into the specifics of their CWIS.  A
good picture or two could certainly be worth a thousand words here.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:58:09 EST
From:         "Stephen J. Cavrak, Jr." <SJC@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Internet Hunt
              9 Sep 1992 09:50:17 MST from <bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:50:17 MST BOB STRINGFIELD said:
    Howard is correct.  How can one find out what is being maintained on
    the various servers on the Internet?  Was not such a list being
    published by the folks on the old CSNET at one time.  Wonder who
    picked it up or if no one did could be a worthwhile project.  Nope.
    Can't.  Volunteered for too many projects like this lately...
    --bob

Recently I read, perhaps in the Chronicl of Higher Education, that
a recent meeting of The Internet Society was thrilled to learn that

-- the internet was 25 years old

-- that there were 7,500 member networks

-- that there were over 1,000,000 computers attached

-- that there were over 4,000,000 users who could login at any time.

Much more interesting, though, was the observation that the network was
doubling in size every year.

Personally, if I were someone who wanted to catalog the internet,
I would find the challange daunting.

Since part of my job is supporting people who have to use the internet,
I try to teach something else that is more attainable -- skills and
attitudes that help people become information scroungers, network
navigators, treasure hunters, resource discoverers.  Hey, if we can
do it at our neighborhood megamarket, why can't we do it here.
Information is being created, moved, and deleted as we chat, just
like the stuff on the shelves in the mall.                         .

That's why tools like Gopher, Archie, and Wais are being incorporated
into the normal "cwis" products.  Here at the University of Vermont,
we started about a year ago with a PNN server we called InfoCat.
This summer, we built a series of gopher servers, including a gopher
that resides on the same machine as the PNN server and which
uses the same files :-)  (Three cheers for the folks at Princeton
who "kept it simple" and flexible enough. !!!)

This is also why people gravitate to a few reliable and open systems:
UNC, Freenet, Nyx, or even their own local university library.
By this time next year, who knows where all of this will be?

Live long and prosper
Steve
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