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From: lic2@rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu (Chi-Cheung Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Bitnet
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.n7x1=c=
Reply-To: lic2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

How does a bitnet user get into the news?
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: An open letter to a Cardinal
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:13:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

An open letter to a dear netter at Stanford University:
------------------------------------------------------


Your question ponder me deeply.  For the benefits of some netters here I shall
quote your question:

WHY ARE YOU QUOTING MORE THAN WHAT YOU WRITE?

My answer is:  (1) Quality is more important than quantity.  90% of the time
                   the best answer is always the simplest.

               (2) The length of my answer should be independent of what quote
                   I refer to.  This is not HKCEE.  I don't make an essay
                   simply because my answer is refering to an essay-long thing.

               (3) Are you sure you know what am I refering to without looking
                   backwards if I do not quote the original?

I've always try hard to trim the quote down as much as possible.  If any of
you are annoyed yet by my long quote.  My deep and sincere apologies.

But if you're simply trying to annoy me, dream on.


Regards,
- Louis
From: CP.Wong@f5.n700.z6.fidonet.org (CP Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: QES ALUM-LIST -- Call for new addresses (Updated!)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 11:54:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Nov 17 14:50>, Smart Handsome Chas of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 SHC> send your E-mail address, we have F.A.ers as early as 73 F.A. 

see if you can receive this:

Chun-por WONG from as early as 72 FA now!

internet: cpwong@attmail.com


 * Origin: Hongkong Soc of Medical Informatics (6:700/5)
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From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:18:53 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

================================================================================
"China lifts foreign ban but cuts sponsorship", By Geoffrey Parkins of
Sources: HIGHER EDUCATION (British).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Chinese leadership in Beijing is set to liberalise its policy on
overseas study by allowing all students to study overseas, and to permit
all returning students to leave and enter the country when they wish.

China maintained strict quotas and selection procedures on overseas
study, and very few citizens had the right to leave and enter the
country.  But now Li Tieying, minister in charge of the State Education
Commission has said that China would issue passports to all students
accepted by foreign universities.  And government would "respect their
freedom of travel" on their return to Chine after graduation.

But China intends phasing out state sponsoring of students going abroad.
The salaries of university professors are to be raised from the current
average of &37(400 yuan) to about &93(1,000 yuan) per month.

Chinese universities will also be permitted to set up joint programmes,
new departments and even institutions with foreign universities.

Mr Li said that while students would be encouraged to study overseas,
the authorities clearly hoped most would return on completing their
courses, emphasising again that no student would be made to stay in
China.

The Chinese government wants to improve graduates' knowledge and skills
in international trading, and business and marketing.  China is also to
lift its controls on set up programmes, departments or institutions
jointly run with foreign universities.  Also proposed is the idea of
permitting the creation of wholly foreign funded institutions of higher
education, including branches of foreign universities.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: sslok@srv.PacBell.COM (Sam Lok)
Subject: Re: KCR and ...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:16:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.190701.21312@u.washington.edu> pluto@stein.u.washington.edu (The Lonely Planet) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.214719.27482@cis.ohio-state.edu> cheung@second.cis.ohio-state.edu (SUN-WING CHEUNG) writes:
>>
>>>> It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for one,
>>>> did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.  
>>
>>>But KCR has been there for about 100 years.
>>
>>Well, I think it is not the question how long KCR has been founded, but how long has somebody left Hong Kong. The reason that we (guys from Hong Kong) know KCR is that we saw the commercial of KCR everyday in Hon Kong. Think something like this, maybe you may ask somebody what MTR is, if you stay here for twnety year. Also, I think another possible answer is that they left when they were young. Let go back to the childhood now. If I had asked you at that time the same question, would you really be a
>>
>>
>>
>>answer the same question.
>>
>>Cheung, sun-wing
>> 
>       When I left HK 5 years ago, I don't think I have heard
>       someone calling it KCR and neither have I seen their
>       commercial in last five years.

It is getting rediculus.  Would someone simply answer the original question
and stop discussing how old KCR is and how much your fellow netter should
remember?  I, for one, want to know what all this fuss about KCR is.


-- 
Sam Lok			Pacific*Bell, California	sslok@srv.PacBell.Com
     ---   __o    
   ---    -\<,    The price one pays for pursuing any profession, or calling,
    --- (_)/(_).  is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side.  -- James Baldwin
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Ban Chinese rice?! You crazy?!
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:27:35 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daisuke Kitamura) writes:


>	A while ago, I read someone who told us to stop eating Chinese rice.
>Kind of crazy if you ask me. So fine, in Hong Kong we can always eat rice
>grown in Australia or Thailand right, but I assume you'd like to extend the
>ban on other Chinese imports too right? Well in Hong Kong, most of our fresh
>meat and vegetables come from China. Regardless of the fact that they seem to
>be tainted with dangerous pesticides most of the time, they are the largest
>importer of food crops in Hong Kong what ma I supposed to eat if I stop eating
>Chinese food products? Goto Oliver delicatessins and buy some Salami for HK$35
>for 10-15 slices? Your proposal to stop eating Chinese rice and other Chinese
>food crops is just impossible considering the fact that Hong Kong also imports
>a lot of it's drinking water from china too.

I think you are taking that person's posting too seriously.  I don't remember
what he/she said.  However, I got an impression (when I read it) that he
was being sarcastic.  Someone else was discouraging tourists to visit China--
for what reason I don't recall.  Then, this person came up and responded.  
He was making a joke--just so the author of the original posting could
see how ridiculous his suggestion was.  

When I read the follow-up (about banning rice from China), I thought it
sounded very much like Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal... It might
be a good idea to reread the posting before discuss this trend further... 

>dai

Let's relax... we are here to discuss, not to argue. :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon)
Subject: Re: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Keywords: shanghai
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:08:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.063755.9881@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:

>I am proud to let you know that soc.culture.hongkong has entered
>China yesterday.  Shanghai is the first Fidonet site inside Red China
>who starts to receive this newsgroup.  Special thanks to Samson Luk 
>in Hongkong to make this happen.  More FidoNet sites will carry SCHK 
>into the heart of China in the NEAR future!!!!!  
>
>BTW, Beijing should be next!!!!
>
>Thanks again, Samson.

So will it be censored?  I'm very curious about who can read the
news.  Could anyone tell me?  Thanks.

Have fun!!!

								Poon.
From: hbonney@io.Tymnet.COM (Hugh Bonney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:33:35 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: hbonney@io


  >>lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
  >>A vegetarian told me that he does not like killing, but in order to
  >>survive, he has to eat; and probably a carrot experiences less pain
  >>than a cow when it's killed.  Vegetarians of this sort probably
  >>eat eggs and some seafood as well.

  Well no, actually what they do is this: Around 0200 hours they get up
  and put on a false mustache, trench coat (collar up), and sunglasses with
  mirror lenses. Then they leave by the back door and take a complicated
  route to some place like the 24 hr Macdonalds in the basement in Kowloon.
  Disguising their voices, they order a big bag of Big Macs. Sometimes the
  workers tease them by repeating "WHAT? Speak up, I can't hear you!!"
  in Cantonese, of course. Five blocks away, they duck into an alley and 
  take off the disguise, wrapping the trench coat around the bag with the
  lettering on it. Then they sneak into their apartment and go into the
  closet and close the door behind them. Hiding from the world, with 
  trembling hands they unwrap the prize! Then they eat them all, squeezing
  and biting into every one! Afterwards they just sit there in the closet
  for a bit. So tired; relieved but guilty at the same time. Later they get 
  up and put on the disguise again to go out and put the bag in a trash 
  can many blocks away. In the morning they hate themselves. They curse
  themselves for their weakness. They take a long shower and write yet 
  another moralizing letter to the newspaper and are late for work.

  In Marin County, across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco there
  was a man who said he was a Breathitarian (sp?). That is, he lived
  on air. This was not the most unusual claim to be heard in Marin at
  that time, by any means. But it was the most unusual one that could be 
  published in a family newspaper, so he was interviewed. I don't know
  if there is a 24 hr Macdonalds in Marin.
From: c60a-gp@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Jonathan Ming Him Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:16:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Privacy = 'See Yun'
	    ^   ^
	    |   |
       private hiding

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jonathan Chung 		'When I dream of you, like dreamers do        |
| jonchung@ocf.berkeley.edu 	 I get this way, all night and day....'       |
| c60a-gp@danube.berkeley.edu	                           - Tommy Page       |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:08:53 GMT

In <6556@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> lyndon@Sol34.essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H) writes:


>However, HK people are smart enough not to believe any side. PRC has a
>"reputation" of breaking promises - so the 84 joint-agreement and basic law
>are just empty documents. Patten, in his reform package, does give HK people
>a chance to secure what they have - hence it is popular.  I think Patten
>and HK people are of the relationship : mutual benefit if it works.

Right! You got the point.

Great Era.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ying@jagger.Berkeley.EDU 
Subject: Help
Reply-To: ying@jagger.Berkeley.EDU 
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:56:45 GMT


Does anybody know how can I get access to the internet in 
Vancouver, B.C. .  I will be there for a couple of weeks, and
I only have a PC and a modem.  
Thanks

.
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ILHC: Love Clinic (WLS RESPONSE) 11/16/92
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:31:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

From: chang@adelphi-assb01.army.mil (Forrest Chang)

	For love forever... if she's not "really the one"... punt.
People, feelings change, this is life.  Unless there is something 
substantial to be saved (which I didn't get from reading the article)
or this change in feeliing can be pinpointed to a temporary mood
swing best to roll w/ the punches.  Trying to change it forcibly will
typically make things worse.

	fact 1)  FOr most, you really never completely get over a
girl/guy until you have someone else.  Often in depression/desparation
you reach out to the closest thing -- the last person you dated, etc.

	Fact 2)  It's easier to talk about letting go than doing so.


	Good thing, is you seem to have a good attitude - tis better
to loved and lost then not to loved at all.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Billy H. Chan 	<bhchan@ocf.berkeley.edu>   "Life: a strange new
Just Babbling   <bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>   state of confusion"
Disclaimer 1:   I'm actually a really nice person. (sorta) :) ;)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Your university making $$$ out of you?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:21:14 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: $$$, brand-name, wholesome policies, yeck, etc.

In article <1e9jf1INNkf@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ka Wo Anthony Liu) writes:
>
>Some examples:
>(1) $200 a term "Instructional Technology Fee" for all engineering students
>(2) $900 a year of trash health insurance from your university, in which you
>    must pay first, then make the insurance claim
>(3) $70 non-refundable signup fee for simply buying a meal-plan
>(4) 16.9% A.P.R. for any overdue balance on your student account
>(5) $0.50 a piece of laser printout
>(6) use the textbook by your professor, which the book is not very good, the
>    size not very big, but charge you $60 a piece
>(7) $70-90 registration fee a term
>(8) $50-80 "Building and Facilities Maintenance Fee" a term
>

Just a reminder.  Those charges are charged no matter who you are and where
you come from.

Here's an additional rip-off:  Someone from Northwestern University sent me
an e-mail saying that you need to PAY MONEY for campus safety escort service.
Say, if you're a girl and study late in the library, you need to PAY MONEY to
get campus escort to get home!

Another rip-off:  At Cornell (as of 1990), you meed to pay $0.2 a ride on-borad
a metallic junk operated by the university (it's free after 7).  Compare to
Michigan , which have nice buses operating from 6am to 2am  FREE, man, that's
what it is supposed to be!
From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Smart Handsome Chas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: QES ALUM-LIST -- Call for New addresses (Updated!)
Summary: Queen Elizabeth School Old Boys/Girls E-mail Network (ALUM-LIST)
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:43:32 GMT
Organization: QES ALUM-LIST


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			   QUEEN ELIZABETH SCHOOL
			      OLD BOYS & GIRLS
			  E-MAIL LIST  (ALUM-LIST)
			============================

Dear F.A.ers,

	It's always good to communicate with good old friends! Here is a
chance for you to do so.
	I am working on The Q.E.S ALUM-LIST. Right now I have already 
gathered about seventy some E-mail addresses, but I need more helps from all 
of you. I sincerely ask you, Q.E. old boys/girls, send your addresses to me. 
No matter it is your F.A., earlier or later, please send them to me. Please 
don't think that because you graduated long time ago. So, decided not to 
send your E-mail address, we have F.A.ers as early as 73 F.A. See? So, No 
matter you are ?? F.A. please send your name, your E-mail address, the name 
of the institute you are attending to me. If you wanted your mailing 
addresses and telephone number to be listed also, please sent them to:

			tychan@mosaic.uncc.edu
				or
			tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu

	To make this list a better place, we need your help!

	Best regards.

Sincerely,
Chan Tik Yuen 90 F.A.
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From: johnny@futon.SFSU.EDU (Johnny Y. Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:44:04 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <11103@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Ask all your friends if they are going to HK this Christmas not
>to visit China.  Yes, that's right ask all tourists who are
>visiting HK to boycott China.  Normally, tourists who visit HK
>often take day trips into China.  We want to tell them to stay in
>HK and not visit China.  I know it would hardly hurt China but
>think of the publicity that it will raise.  
>
>Our slogan is:
>
>"Support democracy in HK, visit HK but don't go to China !"  
>
>--
>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia

Do you think if the tourist  go  to  visit  China  and  bring  in
currency, it can help the China's economy?

Johnny.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Reincarnation in Chinese culture
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:32:38 GMT

wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:

>In article <By0w20.Kuy@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> shafung@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung) writes:
>>The idea of worshipping your anchestors or grandpa is stupid,
>>since you never know whether your anchestors have reincarnated (actually I don't
>>believe in it at all, cuz' then, why the population is growing) or not.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Alan

>Personally, i think worshipping ancestors or grandpa is a way to showing
>respect to your ancestors.  I agree sometime it's quite stupid cuz one
>might not even meet his ancestors, for example, i never met my grandma
>because she did not live in HK.  Buy for every year(until i come to US), i
>would still worship my grandpa and grandma.  Actually, i think the word
>"worship" is kinda impropiate cuz we AREN'T really worshiping (think of
>them as a god, etc), but i can't think of another word now (maybe somebody
>can help me).

Rather than "worship" perhaps we can say "pay our respect" to our ancestors.
It is not stupid at all, the sense of stupidity only comes from your heart.
Look at it this way, we exist only because of our ancestors. So we should
thank them and respect them, even if they no longer live. Because it is not
the physical bodies that we thank, but their spirit (ching san) and moral.

And so, furthermore, it doesn't matter if they have reincarnated or not. And
let me say something about reincarnation. Long before the existance of Buddhism
there was already reincarnation in China. Reincarnation happens even at the
very first period of mankind. You may ask, "Where then did the first soul
come as human, then died and reincarnated?" 

Well, from "up there", for which Buddhism describes as "West Sky", Taoist puts
it as "Wu2 Qi2" (Mandarin) or "mou cake" (sorry, not good at cantonese pinyin).
If you do well in life and achieve enlightenment, off you go back to "West
Sky". Otherwise, reincarnation.	And when you go back there, you are free of 
reincarnation, unless you are asked to come down here again to do something
for those that are still stuck in this reincarnation cycle, ie Jesus Christ.
So obviously, people nowadays haven't been doing too well, and less and less
return to "West Sky".

Anyone wants to reincarnate as pig, or other types of animals? You might
laugh at this and take it as bullshit. But just watch yourself.
Byeee!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
Subject: Malaysia
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:46:17 GMT

hi,

does anyone know any email addresses in malaysia?

please email directly to ppc1@cec1.wustl.edu

thanx


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ctyau@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (YAU Chor-tung)
Subject: Re: Need software to read big5 files on PC
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:35:19 GMT

andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au (Andrew Ho) writes:

>I am also interested in the Chinese MS-Windows. Is it commercially
>available? Is it a Windows 3.0 or Windows 3.1 ? Can I mail order it ?

>andrew
>***************************************************
>ACUS  Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
>                  email: andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au
>***************************************************

It is still 3.0 and rumour has it that 3.1 is coming.  It is commercially
available here (H.K.) and probably it is from TaiWan.  Ask Microsoft
product dealers in your place.

Yau Chor Tung.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: xzs1970@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Looking for friends from Wa Ying College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:23:14 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Nov18.150740.8548@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, pleung@troy.cc.bellcore.com (leung,philip) writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> I am looking for some fellows who studied at Wa Ying College '87-'88
|> F.6 Math Class: HO Ping Leung (Martin) (in Minnesota, I guess),
|> and IP Foo Wa (in Arizona, I guess) . If any of you folks see this
|> news, please drop me a mail!  I want to get back in touch with some 
|> old pals.  Thanks!
|> 

Martin Ho graduated from U of MN and went back to HK.
-- 
Jennifer Ng
Broadway & Seymour Inc
Rochester, MN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong