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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing and howto get the FAQ(s)?
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:22:50 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.175615.3662@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>I had always heard of needing a "full bladder" for an ultrasound,
>but for the 2 I've had so far, a full bladder was not required.
>Why is this?  Does it depend on the kind/brand of ultrasound
>equipment?  Maybe "newer" ones are accurate without a full bladder?
>Or is a full bladder needed only at certain stages, like the very
>end of pregnancy?  I don't know, just asking.

Generally, the full bladder is needed for early ultrasounds.  It keeps
everything pressed forward so things are easier to find.  At the end of the
pregnancy, the baby is impossible to miss!

Begin "I think mode"

I think the problem is that the sensitivity and resolution of the probes fall
off sharply with distance.  As the baby gets bigger they need less absolute
resolution.

End "I think mode"

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    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.  D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch)
Subject: eczema in kids
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:57:03 GMT

My 13 year old daughter also has eczema on her face, and is allergic to
practically everything and slightly asthmatic also. A fellow parent (who
is a nurse suggested that we try washing her face daily with diluted
Sebulex (a medicated shampoo) and her hair with it once a week.  We did
this for ten days, and the red patch on her face has faded and is almost
gone!   

Might be a way to save on dermatologist's fees...

Kathleen Nosbisch
kat@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc.
Boulder, Colorado


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: efink@unlinfo.unl.edu (evelyn fink)
Subject: Breastfeeding emergency
Summary: Breastfeeding emergency
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:05:49 GMT

Help!!!
My wife gave birth to a baby boy on August 25th.  We had planned for 
her to breastfeed until the child was at least a year of age.  
However, some problems developed.  Initially while tentative the 
feeding was going well.  However, right before she was discharged a 
horrible incident occurred.  The lactation consultant had brought her 
a manual breast pump to help with going back to work in a few months 
as well as to relieve engorgement and allow Nathaniel to attach to her
breast more easily.  After the consultant left, a nursery nurse came 
in and told her the lactation consultant was all wrong about using a 
pump to relieve engorgement. Then without asking Evelyn she grabbed 
her (Evelyn's) breast and started squeezing her breast.  She did this 
without asking for permission or explaining what she was doing. Then 
she stated loudly that she was milking Evelyn and continued to do it 
for several minutes with different hand positions.  While that breast 
had leaked milk before then, it no longer does.  She is also having 
problems getting milk out of her other breast.  In addition, the nurse
made some remarks that made Evelyn afraid for Nathaniel safety.  These
problems are compounded by the fact that Evelyn was molested by her 
uncle when she was young. He would molest her under the pretense of 
showing her new wrestling moves or batting stances.  Thus, the 
demonstration angle is even more troubling.
Has anyone had a similar experience and continued to breastfeed?  How 
did they do it? In addition, has anyone had experience with 
supplementing breast milk early on and then going back to only breast 
milk?
The more positive the stories the better.  Please respond by Email 
since we do not have a lot of time to go through the other postings at
this time.
Thanks for your help.

Brian 
Evelyn's husband
efink@unl.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Missing out, how to fill in the pieces
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:45:03 GMT

I was very fortunate, my labor only lasted a total of seven
hours and I managed with breathing and needed no medication.
After two hours of pushing I ended up with a forcepts delivery
an episiotomy and a fourth degree laceration.  Even though
I was awake and total conscious, I was so busy concentrating
on breathing that I did not clearly remember everything.
After I was discharged I wrote for my medical record and
received it in about a month.  It has a chart of my progress
from admission to delivery.  So for those of you who want to
fill in missing pieces try writing for your medical record.
I just wrote the hospital and they sent it (for a fee) I needed
no approval from my doctor.  Just my two cents worth.  Now,
I am actually looking forward to doing it again in May!

Cathryn W. Chiesa
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: seatbelt adapter
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:41:07 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Pardon my broad distribution, but my e-mail to Miki bounced.  In answer to
your question regarding the seat belt adapter:


Call The Right Start Catalogue (1-800-548-8531).  I don't remember the exact 
name of the product, but it is a wedge shaped piece of stiff canvas/foam that 
the seat belt goes through.  It adjusts the shoulder belt so that it 
accurately crosses the child's chest rather than his neck.  You just
move the wedge into position so that the belt is correctly placed.

One of the things I especially like about it is that the wedge itself
provides a shield accross the child's stomach/chest.  I feel that in
a wreck, this will more equally distribute the impact than the thin
belts themselves and could help elliminate internal damages.  At least,
that's what it seems like by looking at it.  

I'm very pleased with it myself.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Wonderful things they do: 2 months
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:24:48 GMT

In article <23862@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>Some wonderful things that Carrie, age two months does:  (time for a
>little bragging!)
>
>- sleeps through the night, since the age of six weeks! (at least ten
>hours straight!)
>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
>

Humph!
I feel the need to brag a bit myself.  First of all, I guess I have to say
why I haven't been on this newsgroup since about February time frame--I
quit my job and didn't have the time to keep up with all groups via my
dialup link at home.  Secondly, On July 11, we had another boy! (someone
still doing that kids list?  Add one Michael Jeremy Deen Brindle!)  

Now the bragging.  If you can add, you'll see that Michael just turned
6 weeks old.  HE'S been sleeping through the night for two weeks now! 
His last feeding is at 11 and he sleeps until 7.  Like Clockwork.  Knock
on wood!

>- almost never cries, even when her brother accidentally bounces into
>her
>
Here too!  Michael is SOOOO good, too.

>Happy two month birthday Carrie!
>
>Diane Segelhorst
>dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>Mom to Brad, two years, and Carrie, two months

Congratulations!

Jennifer


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Idle amusements...
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:53:11 GMT


In article <2531@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
> 
>   My kids have recently spent 3 evenings in a row having me "paint" their
> toenails with washable markers.  They select the color, and I do one nail
> on each foot with it, switch kids, and repeat the process, over, and over
> and over.  It is definately what I'd call a low-difficulty sure fire
> entertainment, and it washes off (some take longer than others to come
> off; highlighters take the longest).  Pretty funny too, as they pick the
> most outrageous colors!  By the way, they are a 2.5 year old girl and
> a 5.5 year old boy who happily hasn't yet learned that necklaces and 
> nail color are just for girls...
>  
> 					Susanne Gilliam
My daughter likes me to draw pictures on her with the washable markers
and then she goes into the bathroom and looks at them in the mirror.
Then it is off to the tub.

Karen
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:16:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Since you are all so knowledgable on this subject, do BOTH parents have
to work to earn the credit?  Would income from a non-job count as the other
parent's income so that pre-school expenses could be deducted? 

I would love to take advantage of this to help offset pre-school expenses
but was under the impression that since Ron doesn't work outside the home
we are inelligable (sp?).  



-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Bounced mail for "ncrcae!kvick@ccscola.columbiasc.NCR.CO"
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:11:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Aug25.171126.21066
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

Sorry to waste bandwidth -

Someone wrote me a letter asking for info getting pregnant. I responded,
and then the system I was using went down for a week. When I got back on,
I saw that it had bounced.

Sorry, it was such a while ago, that I cant remember your name. Please
write again with a different address.

Laura Floom
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:42:01 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>My son Bradley is 11 months old.  One thing I have been thinking quite a bit
>about it starting to save for his education.

>Another factor is, that my husband and I are finding financial matters
>quite tight right now.  Are there any other ways that you would recommend
>to begin savings programs for this?

Disclaimer: I am not a financial planner.  I just read a lot and think
I know everything :-)

I would avoid organized programs--you don't have to pay someone else
to do it for you.  All you need to do is to open one or two mutual
fund accounts and make monthly deposits into them.  The stock market
will take care of the rest, considering the amount of time you have to
let the money sit.

Choosing a mutual fund: buy Jane Bryant Quinn's book about Managing
your Money--it's a great book on how to get your financial life in
order.   Choose a no-load growth stock mutual fund.  Set it up so
money is automatically deducted from your checking account every
month.   Then, pretend the money doesn't exist (except at tax time,
when you have to acknowledge it).

BTW, Quinn's book really does a good job of discussing all aspects of
one's financial plan.  I strongly recommend it.  

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: pauling@seismo.CSS.GOV (Terry Pauling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan at 7 weeks old
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:56:01 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

>He was still on the quilt when he started fussing.  I was too lazy to
>pick him up and carry him to the changing table (he's about 13 pounds
>now), so I got a diaper and kneeled down. By this point, he was
>crying.  As soon as I unsnapped his pants, he stopped crying.  
>
>It was the first indication I've had that he was crying to
>_communicate_, not just because he was uncomfortable.  As soon as I
>indicated that I understood and undid his pants, he stopped crying--he
>didn't wait until I undid his diaper.  I'm pretty impressed!
>
>--Beth Weiss
 
 My daughter (5 mo) started doing the same thing right around
 the same age as your son.  As you, I was also pretty
 impressed!  Ever since she was about 3 1/2 mo she actually
 raises her legs when ever I undo her diaper, and gives me
 this look, as if to say "Look mommy, I can help you with
 that!" :-)  Obviously, our children are geniuses!! :-) :-)

 Her lates feat:    trying to crawl(instead of "scooting")
 She just turned 5 mo's, Sept 3, BTW.


 -----
 Terry Pauling
From: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rice as a finger food?
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:20:05 GMT
Reply-To: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

Different brands of rice are more-or-less sticky; we use Mahatma brand, which,
cooked according to package directions, is quite sticky.  This is a mixed
blessing...it's good for Jeffrey while he's eating it, but it sure makes it
hard to clean up afterwards!

--  
David Singer -- Internet: singer@almaden.ibm.com   BITNET: SINGER at ALMADEN
                Voice: (408) 927-2509              Fax: (408) 927-4073
(If I needed a disclaimer, I'd put one here.)
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:31:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: exu.1992Sep4.163105.21715
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 3502@master.CNA.TEK.COM, judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.130708.23267@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> joefw@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joe Fulson-Woytek writes:
> >In article <92247.151717CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >>In article <1992Sep3.131333.19807@schbbs.mot.com>, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary
> >>Beth Northrup) says:
> >>>to "eensy weensy spider".
> >>
> >>I thought it was the "itsy bitsy spider".
> >
> >I have  been a firm believer that it was eensy weensy, while my wife is a
> >firm believer that it was itsy bitsy.  So whenever we heard a version being
> >sung, one of us would proudly note that it was the "correct" version.  I think
> >there are as many correct versions (eensy weensy) as incorrect ones (itsy 
> >bitsy).
> >
> >Nothing like an early morning intellectually stimulating discussion.
> 
> 
> I'd like to jump in here and point out that the definitive version
> of this song is sung by Little Richard on the tape "For the Children."  
> He sings it "itsy bitsy."  I just can't imagine Little Richard singing
> "eensy weensy," or its variation, "eensy beensy."
> 
> Check out this tape--it's excellent, and Little Richard does a great
> rendition of this song.
> 
> Judy Drake


My son has one of those "balls" that sing children songs.
According to the ball it's "eensy weensy".  

Serena
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Celestial Fandom (Was Re: God's family values)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:56:27 GMT
Organization: Lo Ani

In article <17fukdINN1dq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
...
>
>So there's a _big_ difference between Superman and Jesus (although they have
>lots in common).
>
This reminded me of a kid's ditty:

Oh, you can't get to heaven
On Superman
'Cause the Lord up there
Is a Batman Fan.


There are some more in that vein, but I'll let others dredge them
up.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: dgs@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Dave G. Sokolowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Who cares about length (Was: Our newborn, and birth experience)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:55:14 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin

In article <1992Aug21.004646.22757@intellistor.com> grun@intellistor.com (Paul Grun) writes:
>
>First, the important news:
>
>	   Casey Nathaniel Grun
>	   July 17, '92
>	   8 lbs, 8 oz.
>	   22 inches long (does anybody really care about that?)

                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, my "little" brother does.  At 11 lbs, 2 oz and 24 inches, he was the
biggest baby that we knew.  Then my son came along at 11 lbs, 5 oz and 
23 inches.  Now my son is the biggest we know, but my brother insists it's the
length that counts.

Congratulations!  
Xref: sparky misc.kids:22289 news.answers:2710
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Garlic whilst nursing
Date: 28 Aug 1992 14:39:17 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT)

Stay away from Garlic powder unless your are testing the baby's
response.  Many, incl. mine, got colicky.  I hear real garlic is OK, and
can't wait to try it out next year!

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Infants Have Math Ability (Newspaper Article)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:26:06 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

I never would have believed this article until I had my own kid.  At 6 months 
old she could discern between parrots, macaws, and even tell the differences 
between macaws that were identical except for color.  I would ask her to 
point to the Blue and Gold macaw in a picture of a Blue and Gold, a 
Greenwing, an Amazon Parrot and a Cockatoo and she was consistently correct.  
She could also point out the parrot, the cockatoo, and the greenwing when I 
would ask her.  Of course, we have most of these parrots around the house, 
and I would ask her to point to them by the bird's given names rather than 
their species names, so I'm sure that if I asked her to point to the 
Greenwing Macaw, she would be confused.  But she had no problem picking out 
"CyberPink" or "Boo" from pictures.

It's really very strange to wonder about what they're picking up when you 
least expect it....
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New FAQ File--Walkers--Need Volunteer (again)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 15:59:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: prefer someone who does not already have an FAQ file
Keywords: FAQ, walkers

Diana Choi, the person who asked for input on the advisability of
walkers, has compiled all responses into a file.  She is willing to
organize it into an FAQ file, but might be losing net access
soon.  So, would anyone like to volunteer to be the keeper of the
Walkers FAQ file?  Please e-mail me, and I will arrange for transfer
of the file.

Also, all responses to the Walker inquiry will be included in the
FAQ file, along with names and e-mail addresses (in case someone
wants to ask a direct follow-up question).  If you prefer anonymity,
please e-mail Diana Choi (choi@nas.nasa.gov) requesting same, and 
she will strip out identifying information from your response.

Thanks in advance,
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: I never thought I would be defending walkers but...
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:25:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: did I call for a ban on walkers?

In article <lqdnf1k@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>In article <17juiuINNqq2@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.213038.21526@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>>>All this stuff about walkers really irks me.  Okay, walkers aren't the
>>>safest thing in our house--we know.  But they do serve a purpose and
>>>just like anything else, if used properly, present little risk.  
>>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Sure, but couldn't that argument be used for practically *anything*?
>>Handguns used for target shooting, if used properly, present little risk.  
>>The problem is that many parents are not vigilant much of the time,
>>and very few parents (if any) are vigilant *all* of the time.  The fact 
>>that over 20,000 accidents occur each year due to walkers is pretty
>>scary.  Just because accidents couldn't possibly happen in *your* family
>>doesn't imply that they are good for mass consumption.
>>
>You're never going to ban walkers -at least I hope not!
>[...]
>So, unfortunately, while we cannot insulate all toddlers from
>all stupidity on the part of parents, hopefully the
>ban-everything crowd will not prevail on this issue.


Since this is the second post that implied that I was calling for a
ban on walkers, I should set the record straight.  Nowhere, at any
time, did I advocate a ban on walkers.  I was only trying to get
people to realize that they can be dangerous toys.  I had no idea
that this would cause such an uproar.  But, if you feel compelled to
defend the use of walkers, at least do me the favor of not twisting
my words.  Thank you.
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children & Sex
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:43:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep4.144308.24679
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM writes:
> I have a 10 year old daughter...
> Right now, my 10 year
> old is at the age where she is becoming interested in
> sexual exploration.

> However, recently I have suspected that she has engaged
> sexually in some way with her uncle, whom also happens
> to be her exact age...10 years old.

>It never occurred to me until this thing with her uncle
>came up, but now I have suddenly become worried about my
>unborn baby...will my daughter try to engage the baby in
>sex?

Sexual exploration with other children is also a normal part of growing
up, including with other children in the family, if those happen to be
close playmates.  My brother and I certainly examined each other's penises
and played mild sexual games while growing up.  If I had had a sister of my
age I have no doubt we would have explored together in some way as well.
However, I had a sister 13 years younger, and the relationship was completely
different.  I doubt very much that your daughter will play sexually with
the new baby even if she continues for a time to explore with her 10-year-old
uncle.  You don't say exactly what she has done with this boy (actually,
it's not even clear from your article that you are sure either) but rest
assured that 10 year olds who play 'doctor' or whatever with other
10-year-olds grow up to be molestors no more than (in my opinion, probably
much less than) other kids.

>However, I also want to be very emphatic about the fact
>that it is just plainly not okay for children to have sex
>with any family member. But at the same time, I don't want
>to spook her and scare her. 

If you think your daughter is actually engaging in sexual intercourse,
with anyone at all, you of course need to talk to her about that, but
I would be very surprised if that is what is happening.  Short of that,
children play with whoever their playmates are, whether those happen to
be family members or not.  Would you be this upset if your daughter was
doing the same things with the 10-year-old boy-next-door?  I'm sure your
daughter will learn about the incest taboos of society before long.
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