From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Re: Massive Clinton-bashing
Reply-To: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:13:13 GMT

In article <=dl1!6g@rpi.edu> santos@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Sergio Santomauro) writes:
>dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>
>>I must admit, I am appalled at the amount of sheer hyperbolic hatred at
>>President-Presumptive Clinton victory.
>>Of course, my bias may be showing, so I pause before claiming that we
>>Democrats are a more civilized lot.  Anyone agree?
>
>No I don't agree. Most people I talk to that voted for Bush are taking
>it graciously and it is you people who are being uncivilized. Have you
>read any of the postings in this group.

	The people in the audience during Quayle's concession speech
	were booing as he congratulated Clinton/Gore, and, amazingly,
	Dan "Attack Schnauzer" Quayle was the one to quiet them.

	The young Republican crowd at the Rep. convention mistook NPR
	reporter Nina Totenberg for Mary Tillotson, who asked Bush at
	a news conference if he had had an affair.  They crowded
	around Nina, asking if she had had an affair, and dogging her
	all around the floor.  Nina said that she felt physically
	threatened by them.

	Young Reps. did their best to disrupt a Dem. speech outside
	of the convention, yelling, jeering, etc.

	Bush told the families of POW/MIAs to "sit down and shut up."
	He called Gore "Ozone Man," and said "My dog Millie knows
	more about foreign policy than these two bozos."  Plus, he 
	employed Mary Matalin...enough said.  Then he had the nerve
	to complain about "the ugliest year in politics."

	The Republicans had Pat "wish-I-coulda-been-a-Nazi" Buchanan
	as their KEYNOTE speaker, and had Pat Robertson accusing
	feminists and working women of encouraging baby-killing,
	witchcraft, leaving husbands, etc., and had several other
	speakers spewing nauseating, bilious, hateful statements.

	Someone who often contributes to my school paper suggested
	that because ABC news showed Clinton's states in red, that
	they were going commie.  Never mind that those same states
	were blue on CBS, which he would have seen had he changed
	the channel.

	I personally have heard and read the statements of many
	people who didn't like Clinton because of alleged affairs,
	the draft and pot incidents of over 20 years ago; these 
	people could say nothing else about him other than spout
	the rhetoric of smear campaigns.  They took no initiative
	to find out anything else about his record.  Then they
	start spewing about "family values" and abortion, which
	shouldn't be political issues anyway, instead of actually
	putting any mental effort into thinking about the things
	that are really bringing down this country, like poverty,
	corporate greed, gov't corruption, trickle-down econ., etc.  

	I submit that it is the Bush/Quayle campaign and its 
	supporters who all along have been more uncivilized
	than anyone else.  They're upset that Bush didn't win;
	I can understand that.  I would have been upset if
	C/G hadn't won.  But I truly believe that the B/Q crowd
	would have been much nastier in victory.  I myself have
	mostly refrained from pouring salt in the wounds, but
	I must admit that I find it EXTREMELY hard.

>
>Furthermore the Clinton supporters I have talked to are afraid of the
>next for years. They get especially defensive when all I have to say
>is that the Dems have to take credit for what happens in the next four 
>years. They quickly respond by saying "Give him a chance?" I have not
>mentioned things going bad, they automatically make this assumption
>on their own.
>
>--- Sergio
>
	Of course the Dems. have to take responsibility for the
	next four years.  That is what Clinton has been saying
	all along, that everyone has to take responsibility for
	one's own actions.  This is the problem with Bush.  He
	WON'T take responsibility for anything that has gone
	wrong; instead, he tries to blame it all on Congress,
	the media, the moon being in the seventh house, etc.
	He wouldn't even fire John Sununu...he had one of his
	sons do it for him.  The problem is that he is not a
	Teflon pres. like Reagan seemed to be, and it backfired.
	Clinton can't possibly fix everything wrong with the
	country from the last 12 years...the best he can do is
	to head us in the right direction.  It'll take MUCH 
	longer than four years to put things right.


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