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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Film Noir comics (if you see what I mean)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:11:11 GMT
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Oisin Murphy-Lawless (wiz@maths.tcd.ie) wrote:
: could people suggest comics with a raymond chandler/dashiell hammett/film noir
: feel about them. Does anyone know about the comic "the Gotham Rain falls" (or
: something like that).

What you want are reprints of Will Eisner's Spirit.  They're fairly easy
to find, and (according to Pop Culture Comics Chauvanists) were both
influenced by and influenced film noir.  The stories are actually often
light, but the art and tone are moody and dark.

--
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"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
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From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger)
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Subject: Re: CV Extra:  Superman to resume in 2 weeks
Date: 8 Jan 1993 12:04:15 -0500
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cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine) writes:
>According to Martha Thomases, DC spokeswoman, Superman comics will 
>resume publication, with Superman #77 going out to distributors in
>about 2 weeks.  "An announcement can be expected in February," she
>told UPI....
But February is more than two weeks away.  Doesn't it seem a bit
silly to make an announcement after the books are shipped?  Hmmmm.
I take this with several grains of salt (and use them on the
sidewalks outside)...

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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Scott McCloud's _Understanding Comics_?
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:59:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.172542.5232@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
> Several months ago, CSN announced that Scott McCloud was coming out with
> a limited comics series called _Understanding Comics_ that sounded a lot
> like Eisner's _Comics and Sequential Art_ to me.  I thought the first
> issue was scheduled for January, but I can't find any mention of it in...
> Does anyone know the status of this book?  Who's publishing it?

Tundra is publishing it (and since McCloud now lives very near to Tundra's
geographic location, there shouldn't be much of a delay getting the 
material there...). According to what he said at his slide show preview
of the book at San Diego, he was supposed to have turned in the book in
November and it was supposed to be due out in March. Looks like that's
slipped to at least April, as I've not noticed it being solicited yet.

Killer book too, if the slide show is an accurate indication. It's a history
and discussion of comics done entirely in comics form.

"No one can stop me, Zach!! I'm gonna torch this trash right now!!"
"But, Max! I *love* this one! It's so *cute*!"
"**CUTE**??? MY GOD, IT'S WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!!" --Max and Jenny
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC: President at Superman's Funeral
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:05:58 GMT

In article <9301071930.AA07763@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>That's just because when Kennedy showed up, Superman told him his secret
>identity.  The President was assassinated the same month, *proving* that
>knowledge of Superman's ID is dangerous information.

So, any truth to the rumor that Oliver Stone heard about this and now wants
to do Superman V?

"Hello, this is God. Whenever I'm in Pittsburgh -- which is all the time,
since I'm omnipresent -- I listen to all the radio stations at once, including
WRCT." --radio ad for WRCT
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:26:35 EST

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> 
> You always have to proceed with extremely caution when it comes to profanity
> at Marvel.  Which is why I get a kick out of some of the younger readers
> actually incorporating "shock" into their vocabulary as something they can
> say around their parents, and it means nothing to the parents and something
> to the kid...so everybody's happy.
> 
> PAD


This is great.  I love the way books and comics affect langauge.  So we 
can get away with "bloody" in an American comic, but not a British one?  
(Seems to me the British writers use stronger language anyway!)

But how do you say &%#@*^?

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:17:01 -0500 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Re: LSH: Whose froth this is I think I know (was Re: DC: misc stuff)
	<1993Jan10.171200.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 10-Jan-93 LSH: Whose froth
this is I .. Elmo the Stunt Elk@fnalo (1013)

> > If only they'd return to the level of
> > writing they had reached in the first 12 or so issues and stop trying to
> > throw too much stuff in, and stop trying to write down to the old Legion 
> > fans.  (IMO, of course)

>      Well, there's a difference between writing down, and writing well.
> I claim that most of v4 has been badly written, not that it was written at
> a level I can't comprehend.

It's kind of interesting. Both those who want a return to the
Levitz-style Legion and those who like the new one want the new and old
Legions separate. I like both legions for different reasons (they're
very different books), and I _really_ hope they minumize the contact
between the two. I'd love to see v4 become a Vertigo title, both so T&M
B. have the freedom that would come with being a Mature Readers title,
and to keep the two groups of legionnaires separate.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Next Men Russian
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:23:22 GMT

From article <C0Cwx7.HD0@irvine.com>, by jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet):
> Thought this might barely amuse some of you who follow Next Men...no
> knowledge of Russian required.  Take a look at the Russian speech
> balloons.  Haul out your Webster's dictionary, look up "alphabet," and
> find the list of Russian letters and corresponding phonemes.  Now
> phonetically decode the balloons.  Compare to the "translations."
> 
> It's hardly worth the trouble, unless you're REALLY REALLY bored, but
> might provide you a microscopic smirk.

	I noticed this myself...I didn't look up the letters in the
dictionary, but I could still get a good "feel" for what was being
said vs. the "translation".

	Like you said, only for the really bored...kind of like decyphering
what Lucifer's woman henchperson was saying in Seasons of Mist ;)

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:51:40 GMT

jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>	Why is it every time DC does something, Marvel tries to imitate it?
[Marvel copies DC examples]

Because every time Marvel does something, DC tries to imitate it?  If
something's successful, they're (both of them, and some independents)
going to copy it.  Hence DC's preocupation with cover gimmicks and
polybagging.  What's DC's big coming thing for Vertigo?  A massive
intertitle crossover series (also ala Valiant).  I've been wondering
when Marvel was going to notice what prestige/sales value the
to-be-Vertigo titles have.  They've had Epic, but it's not quite the
same...
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:34:36 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Harbinger?: Is Peter aka. Sting gay???
 <1993Jan10.173451.20527@sol.UVic.CA> <C0o5o7.1s7@news.ucs.mun.ca>

Jim Shooter made a fairly unnoticed comment in a letters page of X-O Manowar a
while back (when Valiant comix had letters pages :( ).In a discussion about   t
the homosexual supporting character in X-O, a letter writer suggested that
Valiant should have a gay superhero.  Shooter said that they already did.  I
also took Peter's thoughts as a suggestion of his possible homosexuality.  I
can't think of any Valiant superhero existing at the time of Shooter's comment
that would be a more likely candidate.  I don't see anything in the rest of the
Harbinger series that would make this an inconsistent character development.
Perhaps if someone could track down Shooter at a con, he would answer this
question seeing ahe now has no reason to protect the secrecy of Valiant       p
plotlines.  But the new creative team for Harbinger could easily ignore this
anyway so we'll just have to wait for Harbinger #106 to know for sure!

                                             --Eric
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: European G.I.Joe
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:29:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.203150.12090@nmsu.edu> enpontel@dante.nmsu.edu (PONTELLI) writes:
>Hello,
>I was wondering if anybody could help me. I have heard some time ago 
>something regarding an English version of G.I.Joe. Do you know anything 
>about it ?
>
>						Enrico
>

I believe that the series was called "Action Force" or something like that.

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From: a905576@tiuk.ti.com (David Pardoe          (0013 spif))
Subject: Re: Valiant questions
Reply-To: a905576@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:10:46 GMT

In article 1ir3aaINNiq7@sunaus.Aus.Sun.COM, clive@snoopy.Aus.Sun.COM (Clive Blackmore - IR Australia) writes:
>In which comic, in Britain, did Magnus appear in the 60's ?

I'm pretty sure it was TV Tornado

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Is IMAGE worth reading?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:03:46 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>"Not a total waste" and "alright but...nothing special" translate to
>not worth picking up.  So the question is whether you meant that Savage
>Dragon is or isn't worth reading.  (How strong a recommendation is 'decent'?)

IF you like unabashed superhero stuff with a minimum of angst I'd say
take a look.
-- 
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
X-To: MARC BARNETT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:08:00 GMT

Marc.Barnett@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Marc Barnett) writes:

>dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>
>>Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.  The art is
>>attractive, if crowded, the scripting is pure Gaiman, and Death
>>is acting in character.  (It looks as though there's a "someone
>>nasty's out to get her" subplot.  What happens if Death is killed
>>on her day off?)
>
>As a side question: Does _anybody_ die on her day off? And if not,
>wouldn't the world media notice?

I think this question falls into the same catagory as "Does anybody die 
while Death is arguing with Dream/at her "nephew's" wedding/etc.", and 
"Someone dies somewhere in the world every split second, so how can Death 
be all those places at once".  And don't forget: people still dreamt 
during Dream's imprisonment.  Things have still been destroyed during 
Destruction's exile.  Basically, the Endless aren't ruled by the same laws 
(physical and otherwise) as you and I.


>>Sandman Mystery Theatre:  The further adventures of the Golden Age
>>Sandman.  By Matt Wagner, which counts for something.  The preview
>>reminds me of Baker Street for some reason.

Could be because the S.M.T. artist, Guy Davis, was (is?) the BAKER STREET 
artist as well.  


Greg



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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:00:56 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen):
>>So, anybody can beat that?
>
>Yep.  Rorschach. 

Good call!  If not the best comic book death, certainly one of the best.
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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:56:14 GMT

In article <1ik2alINN6tq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>As fans of "well-written" comics, I suppose a strong
> initial buying of Vertigo titles would be a good 
> idea.  The industry is generally skittish about 
> comics for adults, and they need a big push to keep
> going in this direction.
>
>On the other hand, we can't just buy everything with
> a Vertigo imprint, because then they'll start
> throwing any old crap into the line.  So what to buy?
>
>Enigma + Mercy look a bit too pretensious.  Death HCL

If Engima is written as well as Shade then I think it will be
a great book.  I really like Milligan's work in Shade. 

> + Sebastian O are safe bets, but they're 3 issues each.
> The Previews of Animal Man + Swamp Thing were just
> superheros + angst.  
>
>Suggestions?

I'm looking forward the Wagner's Golden Age Sandman.  I like Wagner's
work.
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From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon)
Subject: Why Vertigo? Was: Marvel copies DC... again
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:59:05 GMT


Given the discussion that last month Sandman was ranked #75 in sales and
Hellblazer wasn't in the top 100, why is DC creating the Vertigo line?

There doesn't seem to be a sound business reason to do it from my viewpoint.
Are there a large number of 'mature audience' readers out there that DC is
tapping into, or are they hoping to create a new market of Vertigo readers?

Judging from the sales stats, it seems that market does not exist, and DC is
hoping to create one. 

Any thoughts?
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Request: Fantasy Titles
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:22:30 GMT

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine):
>>I'm a big fan of fantasy (sword & sorcery),
>>however there are not too many comic books of that genre around.
>
>Sisterhood of STeel from EPIC, circa 1985 (only a few issues of this one)

Eight issues plus a GN.

Other sword-and-sorcery comics (there are so many general-fantasy titles
that it's not worth trying) include

"Arion" -- 35 issues (not counting the mini-series)
"Honor Among Thieves" -- 2 issues
"Sword and Sorcery" (natch) -- 5 issues
"Unicorn Island" (borderline case) -- 5 issues
"Warlord" (sword and sorcery and guns) -- 133 issues plus annuals
"Xanadu" (anthropomorphic sword and sorcery) -- 6 issues

Y'know, this isn't a genre with a lot of staying power...

Okay, "Cerebus" -- 300 issues.

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 06:58:50 GMT

I don't know if this one has been found in Lucien's Library yet, but I'd
think the original cut of THE ABYSS would be in the viewing room...

Jay (=
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:15:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1993Jan8.114128.13553@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>I'd have to say that Cypher's death in NEW MUTANTS was the best for two
>reasons:
>a) It wasn't a noble sacrifice or had any "special meaning". He got shot,
>and died. Like that.
>b) It's one of the few Marvel deaths THAT HAS STAYED #@!#$ING PERMANENT!

<very very nasty look> It was also, quite frankly, the most worthless death 
in any comic I've seen. Cypher was a good character. He was one of the best
things ever to come out of the New Mutants, a non-combantant superhero, who
ends up being effective due to the abilities he -does- have. 

And he was killed off for no good reason. I'm sorry, but the death of a major
character should be for a -reason-, for dramatic purpose or to further a plot.
Saying that him dying just 'like that' is a -good thing- is ridiculous on the
face of it. 

>For sheer humor, any death along the lines of the dwarf in X-FORCE #14,
>pages 27-28:
>MIDGET: "Oh, he knows, Mr. Cable. And he's more than ready to face you!"
>BANG! (actually, it was "ZAMM!")
>CABLE: "A midget with an electrical whip. Right."
>Again, that simplicity thing...

Ah, I see you like Liefeld's bloodthirstyness. (Actually, I'd rather -like- to
Cable get shot and die "just like that". That worthless character doesn't 
-deserve- to further any plotlines with his head. Just kill him and get him the
fuck away from these characters I used to love.....)

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
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From: byron@netcom.com (Byron C. Go)
Subject: Re: Next Men Russian
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:00:35 GMT

In article <C0Cwx7.HD0@irvine.com> jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet) writes:
# Thought this might barely amuse some of you who follow Next Men...no
# knowledge of Russian required.  Take a look at the Russian speech
# balloons.  Haul out your Webster's dictionary, look up "alphabet," and
# find the list of Russian letters and corresponding phonemes.  Now
# phonetically decode the balloons.  Compare to the "translations."

# It's hardly worth the trouble, unless you're REALLY REALLY bored, but
# might provide you a microscopic smirk.


I was wondering when people would notice this.  You don't even need to know
ALL the phonemes.

Actually, doesn't Byrne use a computer to do his word balloons?  It looks
like he did a font switch to Cyrillic.  (Easy enough to do on a Mac.)

NO, I'm not going to post the translations either.  I did them while reading
my copies in the bathroom, and so didn't take notes.  Besides, this was
before my Christmas move and I have no intention of going through boxes of
stuff to find the issues in question.

     byron  (:

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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: BOOOOOM! (Re: LSH: Deaths and continuity)
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:12:18 GMT

Geez, I must come across as bloodthirsty, but I _liked_ the fact that they
dared to shake things up a little. When the Moon was destroyed, I was
stunned. Up until that point, the future seemed inviolable. I mean, no
matter how many clones they make or heroes they kill, the good guys always
win in the end. (I almost cried when they killed Blok in the early issues;
he had become my favorite!) But when the Linear Man blew the Moon up, it
showed that for all the power the Legion had there were some disasters of
cosmic consequence. (The Collapse after the Magic Wars storyline seems to
have had little noticable effect after the first few issues...)

I would have liked to see the Earth recover from the Dominion/UP War
fought in its skies, but it seemed a little too far-fetched. I mean, the
Moon blows up (causing massive gravitational shifts, along with a "nuclear
winter"); the screen designed to protect the Earth from large chunks of
debris failed, meaning large portions of the Earth's surface was vaporized
on impact; and to make things worse, the fusion powerspheres (supposedly
Earth's main sorces for power) exploded, killing millions more. So we have
a crippled Earth, with no major power sources, massive ecological damage
(we will never see what long-term effects the Moon's destruction would
have had; would the Earth's orbit have become unstable?) and open warfare,
both in the streets and in the skies.

It was more humane to have the Earth pass away gently, rather than having
the UP pour massive amounts of aid and technology into repairing the planet.

I like the idea of New Earth, also. It kinda reminds me of Deep Space Nine
on a massive scale.

Jay (=

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Sandman: Lucien's Library
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:38:06 GMT

jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) writes:

>  At least 1 more episode of Cheers with the Coach.

Coachs funeral.  Boy, did they cop out on that one.
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