From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Re: Anti-stalking laws?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:25:44 GMT


My system deleted Doug Holtsinger's response to my second post. I'm basing
this on Ronald Bense's post, so if I'm missing anything, I didn't see it.


In article <22868@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>In talk.abortion, dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul25.085622.10954@chinet.chi.il.us>
>>katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:

>>> My position on abortion has evolved over years with lots of rational,
>>> and sometimes, irrational, thought involved. Emotions and philosophical
>>> beliefs have also entered into the equation. My position on the Pro-Fetus
>>> zealots came about after one afternoon
>>> [.. rest deleted ..]
>
>>You didn't really answer my questions. You started out explaining
>>how you arrived at your position, but you didn't go into much detail.
>>The rest of your post was not relevant to my questions.

Thanks Ron, for pointing out what I would have, had I seen Doug's post.

>state it at your level, No, her opinion was not derived in part from
>the actions of a few radicals. The radicals only reinforced her opinion.
>Is this clear enough for you, or do we need to send you back to ninth
>grade English grammer class?

>>I'll ask again:
>>Is your position on abortion derived in part from the actions of a
>>few radicals? If so, do you think that's a valid reason for holding
>>a particular position on abortion?

And I'll tell you the same thing, in more detail. My position on
abortion is that I'm anti-abortion. I've always believed that life
begins at conception and that abortion is wrong. This is from an
emotional, philosophical and common sensical viewpoint. This is not
a religious viewpoint, because I don't believe in God.

HOWEVER...

I realize that not everyone feels the way I do and they have their
own points of view. I've always respected other people's points of
view and do on this issue. That's why I'm *ALSO* Pro-Choice, because
I don't believe I, or anyone else, least of all politicians and
zealots, have the right to make that decision for another woman.
It should be a decision that a woman is free to make, based on her
own situation and beliefs. It's none of my business.

I wish the Pro-fetus movement would invest as much time, energy and
money on widespread birth control/sex education as they do on harrassing
other human beings.

I've always felt a certain sympathy for people who are anti-abortion,
but the entire movement is a horror-show for me and I would never
want to be aligned with any of them. Most of the ones who are vocal
and militant seem to have no common sense whatsoever, being against
things like sex education, birth control and any other measures that
would *lower* the abortion rate. Even though I'm anti-abortion, I'd
march in a Pro-Choice parade and support Planned Parenthood and fight
to keep clinics open before I would lift a finger for the Pro-fetus
people. That goes back to my disgust of the zealots. My "certain
sympathy" as I mentioned above, dissolved the first time I saw zealots
trying to close down clinics, which provide a *lot* of wonderful
services that have nothing to do with abortion. When I saw the 
screaming and yelling at women entering the clinics, it made my
blood boil. I was even more horrified when clinics started to be
firebombed. Seeing doctors being harrassed at their *HOMES* was the
final straw. That's an invasion of privacy that I absolutely cannot
tolerate the thought of!

No one (that I saw) answered my question about the anti-stalking laws,
but I hope a doctor, somewhere, tries to use it against those zealots
who harrass them at their homes. Something has to be done, but I don't
know what. It seems that it will only get worse.

Btw, if you're curious, I do not know any doctors at all, let alone any
that have been the victims of PFZ harrassment, so this question didn't
stem from any personal reason other than just being appalled at the
stories I was seeing on TV and reading in the papers.

Anything else you want to know? Have I answered your questions yet?

Vickie
Anti-abortion, Pro-adoption, Pro-birth control, Pro-sex education

                 *** PRO-CHOICE ***

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