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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:24:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Jul29.222448.45499
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <9207291426.AA25281@walt.disney> chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
>
>
>Why not productive?
>
>I asked myself the same question a few days back.  The main reason I
>could come up with (backed up by some of the great, er well other, net
>basketball minds) was:
>
>Too much fast breakin'.  It's not that Ewing and Robinson can't run or
>finish breaks, but most of this stuff is just happening too fast.  This
>team isn't a good half court team (well, they haven't showed it yet) because
>they haven't had to be.  When you're getting long rebounds and stealing the
>ball above the foul line, your centers are bound to be left behind.
>
>Plus, both Robinson and Ewing have been prone to foul trouble.  This is
>a combination of 1) more attention to physical play inside and 2) bad
>refereeing.
>
>Ewing has been caught numerous times pushing off for rebounds.  Robinson's
>been called for some dubious charges.  No matter how it happens, both tend
>to get in big foul trouble early and spend lots of time sitting.

One thing I have noticed is that the game, due to be more of a running game,
causes some of the playes to get into the individual mentality.  On the break,
they may make the pretty pass, but they haven't played as a team like they did
in the TOA.  This is why players like Mullin, Bird, Robinson, and Ewing have
been invisible.. They just aren't getting the ball.  While Pippen is a good
ballhandler, he is not a point guard, and doesn't have the same mentality as
Stockton or Magic.  Same with Jordan and Drexler and Barkley.  When the ball
goes into their hands, more often than not it is going up.  I remember 
watching the Croatia game and going "God, isn't Larry or Chris ever going to
even touch the ball???"  And, because they aren't shooting from outside,
the other teams really aren't playing them out that far, and can pack it in
some.  This puts additional pressure on Robinson and Ewing, as the zone really
becomes effective if you don't hit from the outside or drive.  tDT is 
driving, but that is about it.  They aren't getting the ball to anyone for
the jumpshot.
>
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:06:13 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Anyways, perhaps this team won because they simply were
>	"lucky".  Call them Cinderella if U will.

No, they really played good D.  I definitely remember Muggsy stealing
every ball in sight during the final game against the USSR.  And
Sabonis let Robinson keep him away from the paint.  Sabonis is a good
outside shooter, but he gave up the physical edge that he would have
had in an inside game.

I think Sabonis took the last shot in the game, a three pointer for
the win... and missed, of course.


--Gidi


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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Olympic Team 72
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:17:35 GMT


In article 3219@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick) writes:
>>I say send the '72 olympic team back for one more try. 
>
>Which reminds me:  Why was the '72 team filled with so many
>stiffs?  More specifically, why didn't Bill Walton go?
>
>Was it still a political thing, like '68?
>
>
>--Gidi
>


According to Tom McMillen's biography, Coach Iba wanted a walk it up offense and basically picked those players he thought could play his style.  McMillen got cut right before they went to some bootcamp for practice before the olympics.  The only reason he made it was because Swen Nater got sick of Iba and quit.  He also said that some of the scouts told the players that had been cut that they shouldn't be discouraged because the way the team was picked was based on the relative prestige of their schools a


nd conferences, i.e. they had to have a certain number of players from each of the powerhouse conferences at the time.

Pete Wung
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!\
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 07:16:08 GMT

s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson) writes:
>
>Hi Paul again,
>             The reason I asked the question about MJ and baseball was because
>I am *certain* that I saw a shot of him on one of our local sports shows. They
>have a segment of what happened in the week in the US and the first shot was
>of a black guy who looked a hell of alot like MJ and was wearing an arm band
>exactly where MJ does, adjusting his baseball mitt, in what looked to be left
>field(you could see the foul line on his left side). I admit I only got a
>fleeting look and MJ is my idol. I had read some net postings about MJ wanting
>to play, and hitting a pitcher(who people indicated was pretty good?) in to
>the upper deck.

Didn't he take part in batting practice earlier this season with the
White Sox (or was it Da Cubs)? It was a major hit in the ball park. I
remember seeing something in our local news about it, and they showed
him hitting a couple of long balls.

>Anyway thanks for your replies.
>
>Paul
>Australia

    --mack

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:31:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Jul22.203133.13478
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.151109.17026@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.173230.11774@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>
>>    meeks then says B <= C  (...while also claiming A != B...)
>Well, that was on Jun 29. Unfortunately, 3 days later, he carelessly revealed
>in <1992Jul02.153505.57473@uvmark.uucp>:
>
>   "No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ...."
>
>That confirms the equality. If that's what he believes, eventually
>he'll reveal what I need as evidence no matter how he hack the words ....

But, Ed... if we again look at the whole statement, it was 
"No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ....
This is a generalization of the types of situations you think occur.
The specific case in question, that of the 3pt, was not in error.
Sort of like the recent Abortion issue.  I personally don't believe
in abortion, but believe in the right of it.  The general case: bogus calls
are home jobs.  The specific case (Birds 3ptr): Never said these were
bogus calls."

Note that because I again realized how you had such a weak case in the Boston
Bias issue, and realized that the majority of the net was NOT on your side,
that you would attempt to change the subject and just start picking on 
individual statements.  Well, this is why the statement was explained in
further detail.  Again, in this statement, I twice point out that the specific
point in question was not bogus.  As an another example, 
"I have always had good luck dealing with people in this newsgroup.  However,
the same cannot be said about my dealings with Ed."  The general case,
dealings with the people in the newsgroup, which you are one of, I have had
good luck in dealing with them.  However, in the specific case, that of Ed Lor,
things haven't been as enjoyable.
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From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The US Women
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: adam@acapella


Sorry if this doesn't belong in this newsgroup...

But I saw the US women 2 weeks ago at Rutgers.  They were most
impressive.  They are coached by Rutgers coach Theresa Grentz.

The team played an exhibition game against the MEN'S AAU team from
Central New Jersey.  (The team included 4 or 5 guys from the famous
St. Anthony's school, as well as a few 'ringers' who weren't on the
program.  Someone told me 1 or 2 guys from the AAU team had actually
played CBA ball!)

Anyway, the women triumphed 110-105 in overtime!  It wasn't anything
like I expected.  I thought the men (even though they looked mostly
16-19 years old, I'm not sure) would win easily on size alone.

But the women were great!  They didn't seem to play what I considered
to be "women's basketball".  I expected accurate, long set shots (jump
shots?) from the outside and a slow tempo.  What I got was posting up,
driving to the hoop, and fast breaks!  They play (excuse the
expression!) like THE MEN!  The style of play didn't really seem very
different, except they can't jump as high as the men.  But at least
half the team was over 6 feet tall, and they all look like excellent
athletes.

I hope we get to see some coverage of these women...they're terriffic.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>  [correction about Chris Smith]

	U are correct.  Chris Smith played in the Goodwill games.  Charles
	Smith graduated in 1989 from Georgetown, so the possibility it's
	him is slim.

	Jazzy J
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.173230.11774@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>nope.  lets restate it:
>
>        A = bogus calls that go in the celtics' favor
>        B = lor's examples, such as the Bird 3-ptr against the Dumb Team
>        C = homejobs that happen everywhere

Nope. Let's restate it:

B = what ED LOR considers bogus
C = home jobs that happen everywhere

There is no A or examples from the statement.

>    you first make the A=B claim.  
Irrelevant. Nothing to do with the statement.

>    meeks then says B <= C  (...while also claiming A != B...)
Well, that was on Jun 29. Unfortunately, 3 days later, he carelessly revealed
in <1992Jul02.153505.57473@uvmark.uucp>:

   "No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ...."

That confirms the equality. If that's what he believes, eventually
he'll reveal what I need as evidence no matter how he hack the words ....

>    you jump on the '=' part of '<=' to argue that that was some kind
>of terrible "admission".  this is where the B = C claim comes in.  
That's right, based on what he said on 7/2.

>so B <= C means that SOMETIMES B = C.  now, if SOMETIMES B = C and if A = B
>for YOU, that means that for YOU, at most, SOMETIMES A = C.
There is no A in his sentence, only something you added to it. 

However, I have the freedom to put whatever bogus into the set B, because
he left me a blank check, a free variable.  In other words, I 
consider the Bird 3-ptr as bogus. So for him, the 3-ptr is just
a home job. If I consider Nate Smith bogus, then according to the 
formula, Nate is just a home job.

>meeks is saying A != B, then later*, meeks is saying A != C.  your arguing
>that, because B <= C for meeks, A = C for meeks.  ed, this doesnt follow.
Well, the key is his "B=C". I still don't know where you got A from.
Even his denials were only that "the 3-ptr was not bogus". And his admission
I got is "the 3-ptr is a home job". He could only re-define home 
job as "calls that can go either way" to wimp out.

You and he are still trying to argue that "Meeks didn't admit the 3-ptr
was bogus, nyah, nyah, nyah ....", better argue that "Meeks didn't commit
any murder ...."

>>The contemporary NetTruth: Meeks made three admissions. 
>      who gives a flying blue bonk besides you guys?
Well, at least tens of thousands of bytes of net.traffic was about 
this.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:34:00 GMT

wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
>Baltimore Bullets --> Washington Bullets

Minor point: in 1974 they were called the Capital Bullets.

>Chicago Stags --> C.Packers -->C. Zephyrs -->Bulls
>
>(Only name change)

I think you're wrong here.  The Zephyrs folded sometime in the
early 50's and the Bulls were a new expnasion team in the late 60's.

>If you have any questions comments, feel free to post it on the net.

Yes:  why not go to a library and check big fat blue NBA Encyclopedia?
They have the history of every franchise, and they know what they're
saying.


--Gidi


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From: figgis_b@cs.uwa.oz.au (BW FIGGIS)
Subject: question: which network
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:12:06 GMT

As an avid Australian NBA follower, I was wondering who has the rights
to the dream team games in the US? We got all the regular season games
off NBC, is it the same story for the olympics? 

Unfortunately I dont think Aus. viewers will get a chance to see 
US qualifying matches. Does anyone know different?
  
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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:25:45 GMT

 I guess Sir Charles never spat on your daughters. The Sir speaking with
candor and insight, HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, intersesting. I do not care if
Charlie cares about what I think, we aren't on speaking terms. I am
mearly stating my opinion, This is America ya know. I'm sure if Saddam
saw how Barkley can bully people half his size around he'll think twice
at trying to push us around. In all seriousness, Sir Chuckie is not the
way to get other countries to think we mean business and we won't get
pushed around, Desert Storm did that. Only crazy leaders won't take the hint.
I also was not talking about tennis, I was talking about basketball.I realize
there is bad sportsmanship in all sports. If people think Charlie's behavior
is normal, our country is in more moral decay than what I previously thought.
He should care how he acts. He should do it for himself, his teammates, and
his country. Too many people just don't give a damn at how they are perceived.
This is not the NBA, this is the Olympics, and if people don't understand
the difference then what is the use in watching the Olympics. This is not
for the pride of the Sixers or Suns, this is for the pride of America.
I thank you for bending an ear to this, but isn't this what America is all
about. Go for the gold, Doug.
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Making the Center Grade
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:57:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul30.213733.4588@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>	Ralph Sampson
>
>     sampson maybe C-.  cartwright B.
>- nate

I assume that you are grading him after his injuries? He was a FORCE in his 
college days and he dominated in his first few years. But alass he got
injured and injured and injured and never was the same player...

I would rate him a A- in his first 3 seasons and a C the rest of his career...
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: All-Star brain teaser....
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:48:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.221920.7678@EE.Stanford.EDU>
mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
 
>EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>
>>OK, without looking:
>>Which team had the most representative players in the last All-Star game?
>
>Hmmmm ... I knew there was a hint in the post. It took me a few
>seconds to realize that the hint was in the header, and not in the
>body of the message. Somehow this post strikes me as an effort by the
>poster to save the face of a particular team, against the bashings
>that it has received and will receive.  :-)
 
Oh come now! I would never be so naive!
>
>>And no, the Dream Team doesn't count! Tho' that would be a good answer!
>>
>>For extra credit, name the players.
>
>4, 10, 11  I believe.
 
Good answer!
>
>>Answer to follow!
>>--Eric
>
>    --mack
 
OK, some of you clearly want to know why I bothered with this.
And to be totally square, I was thinking about the recent post that
incorrectly reported Rodman's retirement (sure he may retire, but hasn't
*yet*).
Anyhoo, the poster said that maybe Rodman was upset about not being
selected to the All-Star team. After cogitating on that, I figured that
alot of netters probably didn't remember that The PISTONS (yes, them's the
team) had 3 players on the last All-Star team--Rodman among them--and they
actually had more palyers blah blah blah blah blah.
 
No I didn't mean to change the mindset of the rsbp or any such impossible
thing. And as far as the clue in the header--I was thinking of calling it
a trivia question, but felt that would leave it open to ridicule.
 
What was the hint in the header, as you see it?
 
--Eric
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From: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Subject: Game time?
Reply-To: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:21:28 GMT

Has NBC published the game time for the Sunday game? TV Guide is real helpfull.
Says sometime between noon and 6pm EDT.

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:24:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.234612.4687@ichips.intel.com> harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>In article <Brt6qv.Hu5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	If Hornacek were to start, where'd he play?  Shooting guard?  Nope
>>	Hersey's there. Hornacek's
>>	more used to coming off the bench than the other guys -- due to his
>>	earlier experience -- so that should make him the 1st candidate.
>
>Yea, Shooting guard.  Is that a surprise?  Yea, Hersey's there.  So,
>what's your point?  Horney's about the best pure shooter in the league,
>handles the ball better than most 2 guards, gets more than his share of
>rebounds ans assists and you don't want to start him because he's got
>bench experience.  I understand completely - but don't coach my team.

One thing is for sure.  If Hornacek is on the bench, he gets the most
minutes out of the three no matter what.  Plus, I don't buy that stuff
about being used to the bench or not.  Hornacek hasn't been on the bench
in many years.  Even before KJ came into Phoenix, Hornacek still started,
and I think he played point too.  We're talking about the best player
of the three by far, while Dawkins has been mediocre in all accounts.

You know, Mike Sanders is probably a lot more used to the bench than Danny
Ferry was.....
From: wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:11:56 GMT
	<AHALL.92Jul27170000@slothrop.fmrco.com> <1672@hsdndev.UUCP>
Organization: Tektronix - Instrument Controllers and Software
In-reply-to: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 17:33:50 GMT

Just to fuel the fire some more.  I heard on the radio this morning that
the reason NBC will be giving away 7 free hours of the triplecast and
lowering prices is because they've only sold 125,000 subscriptions to
date. 

The point here is that is WELL below the 2,000,000 they needed to break
even.  It's too bad they'll lose so much money because the network (read
"free") coverage has been pretty good.  But I really don't like the
thought of having to pay SO MUCH for the olympics or any other sport.
I'm happy to order the local sports channel so I can watch the
TrailBlazer home games, but that is significantly cheaper than this
mess...

Later,

	-Wyatt
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:20:07 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

[ question about Chris Gatling ]

	Gatling ended up being drafted in the 1st round last year by the
	Golden State Warriors.  He had a decent season for the Warriors,
	and they are certainly looking at him in the future.

	Jazzy J
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Subject: 92-93 Day-by-Day Schedule
From: alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:00:30 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: alecb

I have a day-by-day listing of the 92-93 NBA schedule which I got from
USAToday Sportcenter.  I am willing to post it, but since it is about 1500
lines, I thought I'd check for interest first.  I am willing to email to 
those who want it rather than waste the space on the group.

Those who are interested please let me know.

Alec A. Burkhardt
alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
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