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From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213145.4315@news2.cis.umn.edu>, shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu
(Shiv Prasad (Gregerson)) wrote:
> 
> In article <bjag-280892142022@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
> >
> >them do, but it's not fair to paint them all with the same brush). Law and
> >medicine are perfectly honorable professions and at least some people go
> >into them out of a sincere desire to contribute to the world around them. 
> 
> When you meet one, please let us know :-)

I hate to tell you this, but as you should have guessed from my vehement
defense, I'm married to one (that is a lawyer, who went into law out of a
sincere desire to contribute to the world around him). And--no, he doesn't
make a lot of money (works for the government) and plans on continuing in
public interest law. He left a field in which he'd probably making more
money (he was a physics major as an undergrad) precisely _because_ he
wanted to contribute more directly to mankind. 

I also know doctors  & medical students (I'll give names, if you want,
because these are the people I'd want to have treat me if I were ill) who
didn't go into medicine for the money

There are too many lawyers (Often I feel like I know far too many!) but
that doesn't mean that everyone who's a lawyer is in it for the money,
either.

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:49:42 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <bjag-310892131657@owl.ls.nwu.edu>, bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi
Jagadeesh) writes:
|>From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
[Stuff Deleted]

|>I hate to tell you this, but as you should have guessed from my vehement
|>defense, I'm married to one (that is a lawyer, who went into law out of a
|>sincere desire to contribute to the world around him). And--no, he doesn't
|>make a lot of money (works for the government) and plans on continuing in
|>public interest law. He left a field in which he'd probably making more
|>money (he was a physics major as an undergrad) precisely _because_ he
|>wanted to contribute more directly to mankind. 

Any other technical people feel this way? I often speculate that one of 
my problems with engineering is that its difficult to explain what you've
done to non technical people, which isn't the case for a lawyer or a doctor.

BTW, isn't your hubby white?

|>I also know doctors  & medical students (I'll give names, if you want,
|>because these are the people I'd want to have treat me if I were ill) who
|>didn't go into medicine for the money

Try telling them that they make too much money, and see what kinda reaction
you get.

|>There are too many lawyers (Often I feel like I know far too many!) but
|>that doesn't mean that everyone who's a lawyer is in it for the money,
|>either.

Yeah, but plenty are.

Ron

|>Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
                                
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From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:25:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.234640.11885@news2.cis.umn.edu>, shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu
(Shiv Prasad (Gregerson)) wrote:
> 
> In article <bjag-010992112926@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
> >in the amount of "honor" they have, but not as big as saying scientists are
> >"good" and lawyers are "bad". 
> 
> Scientists good?  We're G-R-R-R-R-EAT !!!

Isn't that a satisfying thing to know? 8). I tell people that scientists
are gods, because I once heard someone on the radio say that people with a
certain disease  would just have to wait for god to make a miracle, or
scientist to make a cure.

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Oh No (ok, people, that's enough fanfare ;-))
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:43:11 GMT
Distribution: na


Sthan writes:

>Note: I separated Purna and Trina from Alok's deputies explicitly,
>they remain quite unmentionable. :-)

Just setting things right regarding "Alok's deputies".

Purna was appointed [ :-) ] by Alok as his successor, but he refused;
Trina, of course, is Alok's nemesis. I don't think either of them would
like to be called that.

Purna, you have been replaced by 'debchat' as the latest victim of name 
confusion, though it has been a few months since Alok called you, a 'she'.
Recently someone on s.c.i. asked if Deb Chatterjee (Yes, *the* debchat
for fans) was a woman.

Regards,
Raghavan
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Asian indian names
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:37:45 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:

>Americans don't do a great job of pronouncing some Indian names, but there
>are some Indian names that are fairly easy for Americans to pronounce and I
>think there's been a trend to naming American born Indian-american children
>names like that instead of the harder to pronounce ones. 

Yes, and lately all the new boys that I have seen are "Neel"/"Neil" :-)

Sumitro
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Asian indian names
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:45:54 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon) writes:

>The names have it.  The names are the link to the past.  The names stay with
>you, no matter if you try to escape completely from your culture or change
>your given name from something Hungarian or Romanian to Cary Grant or
>Fred Astaire.  You at least will always know what was given to you at
>birth.

Most early non-english european immigrants chose an english sounding name
upon arrival in USA. Then one begins finding immigrants changing only their
first names to english sounding names while retaining the last names. Italian-
Americans and Spanish-Americans tend to keep all of their names unchanged.
Gradually, as people get used to them, even those names don't evoke any
ridicule. People have learnt to pronounce "Jose" as "Hosay".

Sumitro
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Subject: Re: SCAA & Caucasian
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:20:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.234842.16773@midway.uchicago.edu>,
moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) wrote:
> 
> In article <bjag-280892142624@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:

> >find your address and arrive at your doorstep? Shout very loud in
> >the hopes that our voices will carry to wherever you are? Send smoke
> >signals? Send FAX's? Make videodocumentaries and broadcast them over the
> >airwaves?
> >
> >Have any of these things happened to you  8-)
> 
> Actually, yes.
> 
> Last summer I posted my address to a alt.callahans, saying I'd be
> losing net access and asking people to write.
> 
> A few weeks later, a total stranger showed up on my door, saying he
> was from callahan's, and asking me to come to the upcoming Gathering.
> Since he had driven 2 hrs to get to me, the least I could do was offer
> him dinner....and I did end up driving to Ohio with him and a bunch of
> other total strangers. :-)  One of the best parties I've been to in my
> life.

Amirthi

Wow! And I thought the net was strange because everytime I talk to my
parents they ask me what I've been writing on the net, anyway, since people
they know tell them I've been writing controversial things, or that they
agree with me, or otherwise make my net life & real life join.

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Subject: desi names
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:12:19 GMT
Distribution: alt

It is quite unusual to find less than 5 new articles in this group, so I 
decided it is my turn to say something.
I think as a 'first generation immigrant parent' I need to point out few things
about names we gave to our children.
1. In many cases, the children are born around that stage of life of the 
immigrant parents when nothing is quite settled. So most of my friends did
what seemed sane - chose 'desi' names that are not very hard to pronounce for
their children.              
2. Other than avoiding 'cruel junior high' treatment I have not seen any 
positive argument in chosing western names. It must be clear to most of you 
that 'junior highschool' cruelty is the way of life and kids with western
names are subject to it too. We get this comic strip in the newspaper
- I forgot the name, but it is about a 'Patterson Family' in Canada - the
older brother calls his sister 'Lizard Breath' which is his way of saying 
Elizabeth. So there..
--
--With best regards from Shashi
Login name: shashi | System Programmer By Profession | In real life:
                   | but heart(&SWEET-HEART) in Math.| Shashi Sathaye
shashi@ms.uky.edu	sysshash@ukcc.uky.edu  shashi@aix3090.uky.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian,misc.talk.philosophy
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: Oh No, Mr. Billlllllllll...........!!!!!!!!
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:03:39 GMT


>>mass pandemonium!  seas boiling!
>>dogs and cats living together!!!
>
>do these phenonmena go together? when you say dogs and cats living together,
>i would assume you meant them cohabiting in peace. 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


he meant them doing the 'horizontal bop`, 'a naked trip through the love zoo`


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From: vak@infonode.ingr.com (Vansantha Kandasamy)
Subject: What's in a name ?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:54:58 GMT

   Here is a true story:  An II friend of ours has Christian 
first and last names,  I'll call him David Christ.  He was 
hunting for a job,  and had sent out a number of resumes. Once
he got a call from a guy wanting to speak with David Christ.
When David answered in his thick Indian accent,  the caller
wanted to know if he was *the* David Christ and after a few
niceties,  politely ended the call and never called him again.   

   When David related this to us,  we started thinking.
Is having a Christian name an advantage or not for an Indian ?
Had this caller known that David was not AA,  would he still
have called him ?  Does he have a better chance at getting a
job than an II or IA with an Indian name ? etc.
What do you think ?

   - Vasantha Kandasamy
From: shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: desi names
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Sep01.005557.15643@watson.ibm.com> saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
>To continue this discussion about desi names, do any of you who have somewhat
> [...]
>sidoo, but that's more of an affectionate term.  My sister's name on the other
>hand has been systematically slaughtered: Tehmina.  My parents used to call her
>Timmie, Tammy, Tumsito, Tumo.  Friends would call her things like Timster.  A
>couple of years ago she revolted and demanded to reclaim her original pretty
>name.  It worked.
>
I find it acceptable/sensible to shorten/americanize Indian names which
are very difficult to pronounce but what I cant understand is the tendency 
among some AIs to shorten/mutate beautiful desi names that are very easy to 
pronounce. I came to know of a girl whose name was Divya and she shortens
it to 'Dee'(say what??). I found it hilarious(personal opinion, your mileage
may vary).
On the other hand its possible that some american friends gave you such 
nicknames accidentally and you get stuck with that for the rest of
your life. How common is this ? 

Srihari
>-- 
>--saeed jaffer        
>saeed@watson.ibm.com  
>saeed@athena.mit.edu  
>
>
>			


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson))
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:31:45 GMT

In article <bjag-280892142022@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>
>them do, but it's not fair to paint them all with the same brush). Law and
>medicine are perfectly honorable professions and at least some people go
>into them out of a sincere desire to contribute to the world around them. 

When you meet one, please let us know :-)
>
>
>Anyway, do many indian-americans really go into law? I know the information
>about doctors -- it's hard to find an indian-american family that doesn't
>have someone who's at least considered becoming a doctor, but I don't know
>many indian families with lawyers in them. 
>
>Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu

Well, I know of ....one person in law, and a whole stack in medicine or
dentistry.  As far as sincere interest vs. money, I've noticed quite often
that when the subject of careers comes up, one of the medical/dentistry
track people often mentions (and usually early in the conversation) how
there isn't much money in research (my chosen field-much to the dismay of the
family).  One would have to imagine that someone who brings up this point
isn't exactly interested in the sincerity and nobility of his/her
profession.

Shiv

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Need info on job opportunities for non-resident US citizens.
Keywords: Job, US-citizen, India, Non-resident, Computer-science.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:13:15 GMT

Hi!

I am posting this article on behalf of a friend of mine in India.
He is a US citizen by birth. He has a BE degree in Computer Science
from Jayachamarajendra College of Engg., Mysore. He likes to
know details about the job opportunities available to him here.

Can somebody please help him with the information ? Also, can
anybody give me the name(s) of the newsgroup(s) that provide(s)
info about jobs for non-resident US citizens ?

Please email your reply. Thanks in advance.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: Re: desi names
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 00:55:57 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

To continue this discussion about desi names, do any of you who have somewhat
of a Hindu background find Muslim names difficult to pronounce and become
accustomed to?  For some reason, my Muslim upbringing makes it difficult to
pronounce very hard Hindu names.  Of course, there are many Muslim names that
are almost impossible to say, but I find the incredible length of some Hindu
names daunting to say.  I hesitate to call them "Hindu" or "Muslim", but I
think that's where the differences between the two types of names come down to.
What about those desis with a Christian background (i.e. Kateri/Mary Anne)? 
Do some of you find ALL desi names difficult and are used to amrikan ones?

Am I on the wrong track with the religious difference?  I'm sure the different
ethnic varieties of the subcontinent create name differences.  For example, 
Keralan names are generally different from Telegu names.  Or even more
generally, South India vs. North India.  I'm not very aware of these
differences.

Someone earlier mentioned that the content of one's name (especially
religious significance) is somehow important back in the subcontinent.  How
so?  I've never been aware of anything too alike in Muslim communities.

Personally, I've never had a problem with my name at all.  What I mean by that
is that Amrikans never have a problem pronouncing it.  Once they know how it's
spelled it's a cinch.  No one's ever tried to shorten it.  My parents call me
sidoo, but that's more of an affectionate term.  My sister's name on the other
hand has been systematically slaughtered: Tehmina.  My parents used to call her
Timmie, Tammy, Tumsito, Tumo.  Friends would call her things like Timster.  A
couple of years ago she revolted and demanded to reclaim her original pretty
name.  It worked.

-- 
--saeed jaffer        
saeed@watson.ibm.com  
saeed@athena.mit.edu  


			
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: bongo@splash.Princeton.EDU (Ameet A. Ravel)
Subject: Re: What's in a name ?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:19:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.135458.5243@infonode.ingr.com> vak@infonode.ingr.com (Vansantha Kandasamy) writes:
>   Here is a true story:  An II friend of ours has Christian 
>first and last names,  I'll call him David Christ.  He was 
>hunting for a job,  and had sent out a number of resumes. Once
>he got a call from a guy wanting to speak with David Christ.
>When David answered in his thick Indian accent,  the caller
>wanted to know if he was *the* David Christ and after a few
>niceties,  politely ended the call and never called him again.   
>
>   When David related this to us,  we started thinking.
>Is having a Christian name an advantage or not for an Indian ?
>Had this caller known that David was not AA,  would he still
>have called him ?  Does he have a better chance at getting a
>job than an II or IA with an Indian name ? etc.
>What do you think ?

With a caller like the one David encountered, I doubt any change in
name would have sufficed.  Whether sooner or later, that person would
have figured out that David wasn't "his kind" and would have turned
off to him then.  I don't know what David could do, except maybe try
to call such people on their racism, or if it is blatant ("Er, yes,
you see, we really want someone lighter-skinned for that position.")
get them with the full force of the law.

-- 
Ameet A. Raval                   Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
email: bongo@splash.princeton.edu                Princeton, N.J. 08542
disclaimer: Mine, they're mine, I tell you!        phone: 609-452-6563
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson))
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:46:40 GMT

In article <bjag-010992112926@owl.ls.nwu.edu> bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>in the amount of "honor" they have, but not as big as saying scientists are
>"good" and lawyers are "bad". 

Scientists good?  We're G-R-R-R-R-EAT !!!

>Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu

Shiv

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: sanzgiri@bombay.metaphor.com (Ajit Sanzgiri)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: desi names
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:18:57 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

In article <shashi.715425139@aix3090b.uky.edu> shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:
>......
>I think as a 'first generation immigrant parent' I need to point out few things
>about names we gave to our children.

	Nice to know there's more of us out there :-)

>2. Other than avoiding 'cruel junior high' treatment I have not seen any 
>positive argument in chosing western names. It must be clear to most of you 

	We have named our pride and joy 'Sushanto'. To this decidedly
	"old-fashioned, tradition-bound, dweeby" first generation father
	this name seems to possess a cool sound. Imagine our surprise when
	his first-grade teacher mentioned during our "parent conference"
	that he had asked her to call him Chris. My respect for the lady
	went up several notches that she regarded the matter worthy of
	serious attention rather than accede to what would to someone less
	sensitive have seemed a rather charming request.
	In our presence she discussed this with him and tried as hard as she
	could to convey to him that this was the easy way out and not a
	healthy solution. She was also generous enough to criticise her own
	name ("Sandy. It doesn't mean anything. Sushanto is soooo pretty.")
	to help him feel better about himself.

	You can run, but you can't hide.

	Ajit Sanzgiri