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From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: Rainbow Gathering
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:07:30 GMT
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:07:41 GMT

In article <38715@hoptoad.uucp> Rob Savoye, rob@cygnus.com writes:
>  There are Regional gatherings that are loosely connected with the
>nat'l ones. These I can't vouch for. I imagine they vary considerably
>as to the degree they can clean up. 

Granted.  
Like I said, I respect their choice of lifestyle, although it would not
be my choice.  However, the trademark trenching of the Rainbow groups
make for a pretty good "signature" that they have used a particular spot,
and in the situations I have seen (and let's admit that these are
particular instances of perhaps a particular group), these trenches have
been left open.  This is destructive and unsanitary.  In the same places
the debris has been considerable.  From the extent of the trashing, it
has obviously been caused by a large group of people.

Now, to appease you and in all fairness' sake, I will admit that other
groups could be using this same technique.  So we can say: we have had
differing experiences with loosely the same group.  OK?
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: JOSIE.DIPIETRO@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Josie DiPietro")
Subject: Wilderness trip?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:57:18 GMT

Subject:  Wilderness Trip?

Hi:  Does anyone out there have a trip report regarding a wilderness trip
they may have taken (whether it be camping, hiking, white water rafting, etc.)
My son is thinking about doing something and would love to hear first hand
experiences, what equipment needed, what did you do etc.

                                Thanks, Josie
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.skiing
From: jeff@ctaeng.com (Jeff Sherrard)
Subject: Re: Wilderness First Aid
Organization: CTA INC.
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:25:01 GMT

John,

The National Ski Patrol's Winter Emergency Care courses are available to 
all outdoor enthusiasts.  These courses are taught by ski patrollers in the 
local area.

If you are interested in more details and specific contacts in your area, 
email me directly.

jeff
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:02:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

Use of firearms for self-defense while skiing seems a bit odd, when a lance
or a good sharp saber would seem quite effective.  Just imagine, slaloming
down the hill with a lance at the ready, skewering any snow bunnies who get
in your way.  The saber would work quite well in clearing a clean path
through the crowd around the base of a ski lift.

The best ski-based weapon I ever saw, however, was in a surplus shop in
Champaign Illinois.  It was surplus from the Russo Finish war (how it got
to Champaign, I don't know).  It was a gun, perhaps 150cm long, with a
pistol grip at the breach end and a pair of skis pivoted to the muzzle.
The design was quite obvious.  You'd drag the thing behind you through
the snow, hauling it by the pistol grip.  Then, pivot around the muzzle
and drop to the ground to fire.  It was advertised as an anti-tank weapon.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From: kristian@dwayne (Kristian Simsarian)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Upper Michigan/Wisconsin backwood Cabin rental??
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:50:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov5.185039.5661
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago


	
	Does anyone know of places/organizations in upper Wisconsin or
Michigan (UP) that rent cabins?  Possibly on or around Lake Superior?
Our outdoors club would like to rent something for Thanksgiving.
It would be great to find a region that had good hiking, X-C skiing,
and possibly climbing nearby.  

	In Virginia there was an organization (Applachian Mountain
cabin assoc, Blue ridge chapter - or something like that) that owned
some cabins in the mountains (many on state park land).  They would
rent them out to members.  Membership was cheap and so was the cabin 
rental.  Anyone know of anything similar around these parts?


Thanks,

Kristian


-- 
Kristian T. Simsarian			University of Chicago AI Laboratory
email: kristian@cs.uchicago.edu		CS Dept. Chicago, IL 60637
From: dovey@renoir.llnl.gov (Donald Dovey)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Abbey Trivia (Was: Re: BC in the movies...)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: dovey@renoir.llnl.gov (Donald Dovey)
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1992Nov11.182044.29534@nas.nasa.gov>,
 eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
[Discussion of the film made from Edward Abbey's book The Brave Cowboy.]

A year ago, in the process of relocating, I stopped in Klamath Falls
OR for an evening.  With some extra time on my hands, I visited the
towns museum and was delighted to find an exhibit on Edward Abbey.  It
seems that one of the locals had been a close friend of his.  Among
the items on display (newspaper clippings, first editions of his books,
various firearms that the friend taught Abbey to shoot, cigar case left
from a trip, etc.) was a copy of Abbey's doctoral thesis -- from the
University of New Mexico, I think.  The title was something along the
lines of "On the use of civil disobedience in pursuit of moral objectives."
Someone who lives near that university might find it amusing to look
it up.

There was also a personal letter that Abbey wrote to his friend while
writing "Hayduke Lives", which requested information on the GEM.  Abbey
was more gracious and humble in the letter than he comes across in his
books.  He noted that some development was occuring near his home and
joked that he had been "careful to not even so much as look at their
tractors cross-eyed."

--
Don Dovey                                              dovey@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: civl236@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: New Zealand Macpac Tents
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:57:52 GMT

In article <Bx4yu2.2LL@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Kees Goossens) writes:
> Does anyone have an opinion on tents made by the New Zealand company Macpac?
> Specifically their three hooped tunnel tent Olympus.
> I'm worried about its stability in very windy weather (of which we've got
> enough in Scotland.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Kees
> --
> Kees Goossens                       Keep in Touch with the Dutch:
> LFCS, Dept. of Computer Science     JANET: kgg@dcs.ed.ac.uk
> University of Edinburgh, Scotland   UUCP:  ..!mcsun!uknet!dcs!kgg
> Wiskunde is bouwen in de geest.	--- Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer.
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Fleece Jackets
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:06:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <BxFJGy.8Lq@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
jrichard@bigmax.ulowell.edu (John 'MacGyver' Richardson) writes:

> Are there any detractions to this stuff?  It seems pretty durable, doesn't
> protect against the wind much (but that's for a shell anyway), and is 
> in general the best 80 bucks I've spent on clothes in a long time!

John,

The only real drawback is that you should be careful around fires.  I
have seen many a "foof" (Dartmouth Speak for pile/fleece) melt with the
touch of a flying ember or spark.  Some people have all these finger
sized holes all over their jackets!  I agree with you about how great
this stuff is and I own 3 jackets!  I also suggest you look at what
people call "expedition capilene".  Capilene is a Patagonia brand name
I think, but that underwear is also a godsend.  I was born too young to
experince the wool thing, but I do know that the best and warmest thing
to wear is a Dachstein wool sweater.

you are welcome,
Gen
From: jbaker@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Baker)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:09:10 GMT
Subject: Re: help on purchasing a backpack
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

WRT traveling with your backpack:
	I use an internal frame pack. Before traveling I remove the internal
'spars' that are shaped to the contours of my back. Additionally, every 
airline I've traveled on has heavy duty plastic bags for protecting 
'irregular luggage'. 

Never had any damage: Denver<=>Spain, Denver<=>Aruba, Denver<=>Yucatan, & all
	over the USA.

Jim Baker
From: jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hang  Gliding
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:52:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: rvgs.1992Nov05.155230.13356
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)

Anyone on the network hang glide?  I would be interested in
taling with any hang glider pilot who packs the wilderness
also. Jim Palmieri
-- 



   Dr. Jim Palmieri
From: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Fleece Jackets
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:11:24 GMT
 <1992Nov9.210639.3851@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov9.210639.3851@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:

> The only real drawback is that you should be careful around fires.  I
> have seen many a "foof" (Dartmouth Speak for pile/fleece) melt with the
> touch of a flying ember or spark.  Some people have all these finger
> sized holes all over their jackets!

I agree that fire is a problem, as it is if you're wearing an old
cotton chamois shirt.  They can be even more dangerous.  I personally
own three pile jackets/pullovers, and they do have one other problem
that annoys me.  The two heavier ones build up quite a static charge. 
This isn't a problem in the backcountry, but at least twice I've taken
off my jacket while talking on the phone and gotten a nasty shock. 
Also, you must be careful to ground yourself before using your
computer.  The problem seems worse when a shell is worn over the
jacket.




Brian K. Sward
Dartmouth College
brian.sward@dartmouth.edu
"Don't ask me
I'm just improvising" - Rush
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From: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Gazing upon Ansel Adams' work
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA


In article <1992Nov4.021933.13350@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:

|> The problem with posters, claendar prints, and most books is that the
|> reproductions really lose a lot compared to the originals: not just
|> size, but (more important) the depth of contrast (especially true
|> blacks and true whites) and sharpness that the original prints have.

Actually, the reproductions that are authorized by the Ansel Adams
Publishing Rights Trust, done by New York Graphics, are suprisingly
good.  I believe they are tri-tone, and are among the best black and
white reproductions I've ever seen anywhere (I keep my eye out.)  Of
course, you do lose a little, but not as much as you might imagine, and
the densities of black to white are not that much different than what
you can get on photographic paper.  White is more or less white, at
about 0.05 density.  The blacks are a bit harder to get, but they are
still effective enough.  (Now, the reproductions in volumes 1, 2, and 3
are not as good as the others, due to the magnitude and expense of the
task, no doubt.)

I suppose what it boils down to is that I'd rather have a lot of
calendars and posters than nothing at all.  I like the Special Edition
prints; they're really very well done, though not necessarily precisely
the way Ansel would have done them.  (Then again, Ansel didn't
necessarily do them the way he did them last year, either.)

|> Buying original Adams prints is probably out of the question $wise for
|> most of us, but you can buy "autorized" prints from his negatives made
|> by a former darkroom assistant (sorry, I don't remember his name) according

Allen Ross.

- donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
donl@sgi.com
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:10:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Abbey bashing.  Was: Trip rpt: SE Utah 4wd vacation, part 3/4
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

Yeah, I also found Desert Solitaire to be quite different than what I
expected.  In particular I was pissed off at Abbey for braining the
bunny and for trashing the Canyon with a tire.  Still, the book was
entertaining, enjoyable, and thought provoking.

I've also done some things that I wouldn't do today and wouldn't want to
admit to an unknown audience.  I guess it's part of growing up?  Too bad
there's a finite amount of earth to be consumed as all of us make our
growing mistakes.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: Re: Lunches and Snacks: what do you bring?
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:29:10 GMT

I heard a story about the stickiest and
most nutritious stuff known to man, none
other than the Power Bar (TM). A freind of mine
said he wraps one or two of these things on his
handle bars for quick access on his rides.
Anyhow, apparantly some guy on the LotoJaw
(Logan to Jackson race) decided to save a few
valuble seconds by putting a Power Bar
on his leg, under his riding shorts. Later
he ate the stuff, complete with hair and
skin ripped off of his leg.
We figured backpackers could wrap the 
stuff on their walking sticks, pack straps etc.
Hard core folks could slap some on their beards
and hair for those extended trips. 
Hell, this stuff could even be used against bears.
throw a couple bars at Mr. Griz, by the time he
gets the stuff outa his hair you'd be 20 miles away!

:) :)
		Brian "who hate Power bars" Barkey
From: Marcus L. Endicott <mendicott@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Date: 05 Nov 92 15:32 PST
Subject: Rainbow Gathering
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1449600049:000:89
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mendicott    Nov  5 15:32:00 1992


Rainbow Family tribal gatherings are now being discussed in:

     alt.gathering.rainbow
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Trip Report: Guns n Chainsaws
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:40:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun13.11295
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

This should be submitted to rec.humor.funny.  Awesome parody.  Or was it?

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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From: Paul.Williams@brunel.ac.uk (Paul M Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: GoreTex bags (was Re: Light & Warm Synthetic Bag: PARADOX?)
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:23:28 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hugh Grierson (hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov10.020118.1527@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:
: >
: >	If you have the money and will use it, there is no substitute for a  
: >Gore-Tex Down sleeping bag. A down bag and bivy can be good, but I find that  
: >they almost always get wet...
: 
: Myself, I own a Reflex (like GoreTex) down bag, and am trying to decide if it's
: worth buying a bivvy bag also, before heading down to Mt Cook NP.  I would
: be interested in hearing some real experiences of snow bivies (preferably really
: desperate emergency ones) in GoreTex bags with/without a bivvy bag.  What I am
: led to believe is that the goretex bag will still leak through the seams
: (it isn't seam sealed), but using it with a goretex bivvy bag will result in a
: loss of breathability (compared to a non-goretex bag + bivvy bag).  Are either
: of these situations actually a problem in practice?
: 
Ive recently tested a Wild Country Taped Seam Goretex Bivvy bag in VERY heavy rain and ended up sleeping ( or trying to sleep ) in a "lake" ! The bag kept the water out for about 2 hours and within 4 hours my down sleeping bag was completely soaked. This a possibly the most uncomfortable night of my entire life. Just as you warmed the water you were lying in all your muscles started to cramp and you had to move, back into the cold water again!

The bivvy Bag had no holes in it, just could not withstand the constant streams of water running down the ledge we were bivvied on. Also when Goretex get completely soaked it loses its beathability and getting sufficient oxygen became a problem. We had to carefully open the zips of the bags every now and again to prevent asphixiation.

OK so the conditions were extreme, but thats when you want your gear to work!

On the topic of wet down sleeping bags, any advice on restoring the loft of one thats been completely soaked.

Cheers 

Paul

PS climbing with a completely waterlogged down sleeping bag is no joke!
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: PUR Filter?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:36:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

vcdrrhx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Rich Hunter) writes:
>
> I am looking for an effective water filter that will not clog up after a
> week of use.  I have heard the PUR filters are the way to go considering
> price/weight/functionality.  Which model (Scout. Explorer) is better? Are
> they as effective as claimed?  Are there other types of fiters as good as
> or better?  On the PUR do you also use the charcoal filter or just the 
> ceramic filter?  Any information will be appreciated.

Having used all filters on the US market, I would recommend the Pur.  To be
fair, nobody I know has gotten sick using any of Katadyn/Pur/MSR; I do know
people who have gotten sick using First Need.  It is theoretically possible
to get viral infections with Katadyn/MSR, but in wilderness areas of the US
this would be rare.  I think Pur is best for price, convenience, safety and
longevity.  If you're concerned about clogging get the Explorer; the Scout
lacks a self-cleaning feature.

Under most conditions I recommend against using the charcoal filter.  Pur-
filtered water contains enough iodine to kill bacteria and viruses, but this
may require contact times up to 30 minutes in cold water.  Filter water and
wait a while before drinking.  In cases where pesticides and toxic chemicals
are more of a concern than micro-organisms, the charcoal filter is useful.
The iodine taste is not bad, since latent concentrations are only around
2 mg/L.  By contrast, standard iodination methods require 8 mg/L because
giardia cysts are so hard to kill.  There's a big difference in taste between
2 and 8 mg/L.  Since the charcoal filter removes almost all iodine, contact
time might not be long enough to kill all bacteria in very cold water.

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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

Re- Fleecing thoughts


Read- COLD COMFORT by Glenn Randall.

I re-read it every Fall in preparation for winter adeventures.

Ron Miller
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: tilley@fsf.UUCP (Tom Tilley)
Subject: Re: Survey on Firearms carried while skiing (serious survey)
Followup-To: rec.backcountry,rec.skiing
Reply-To: tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:31:07 GMT

rec.skiing added back to the groups line since part of this is about skiing.

In article <1dmcddINNqvj@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.175956.11039@nas.nasa.gov>,
>eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>Two years ago the question was raised in a post between rec.skiing
>>and rec.backcountry.  This is a follow up query to determine the
>>change (addition) after a two year period.
>>
>Good grief!!  Self-defense while skiing??!!

Maybe this is a new way to deal with people who step on your skis in the
lift line!  :-)

>   Maybe we should
>confine out "backcountry" activities to south central LA and to DC
>where it is relatively safe.  BTW, aren't there some nice trails in
>"the former Yugoslavia" where one can get away from it all?

"Losing" one's self in the wild?  :-)

Tom.
#--------------------------------------------------#
| Tom Tilley                                       |
| Internet : tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com   |
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: M.E.C. Addresses and phone #s
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 13:41:39 GMT

As promised here is the addresses and phone numbers of your favourite
Mountain Equipment Co-op.

1) Mail Order Store    US and Canada 1-800-ONE-COOP
   1665 W. 3rd Ave     Local and Intl (604)732-1537
   Vancouver, BC       Fax (604)731-6483
   V6J 1K1


2) Vancouver Store     (604)872-7858
   428 West 8th Ave
   Vancouver, BC
   V5Y 1N9

3) Calgary Store       (403)269-2420
   1009-4th Ave S.W.
   Calgary, AB
   T2P 0K8

4) Toronto Store       (416)363-0122
   35 Front St. East
   Toronto, ON
   M5E 1B3

5) Ottawa Store        (613)745-1094
   5B Beechwood St.
   Ottawa, ON
   K1M 1M2


P.S. For those in Ottawa who asked, Beechwood is at the intersection
of the Vanier Parkway and St. Patrick St.  It is a four way inter-
section of the Parkway, St. Patrick, Beechwood, and Crichton.  The 
simplest way to get there is to get off the Queensway at the Vanier 
Parkway and head into the city (north). Beechwood is at the end of the
the Parkway.  M.E.C. is right beside the New Edinburgh Pub.



     \
      \  St. Patrick St
        \
  -------\---------------------
           \     Rideau River
             \ 
   -----------\-----------------
                \               Crichton
=================\====================
  Vanier Parkway  |Pub |  M.E.C. |  
                  |-----         |
                  |---------------
                  |
                  |Beechwood
                  |
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: GoreTex and bears
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 02:41:56 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <Bx9uB0.6Cz@news.udel.edu> todd@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
>In article 1@qis.dofasco.ca, moynes_r@qis.dofasco.ca (Richard Moynes) writes:
>>Let me see if I've got this right now. 
>>- GoreTex is waterproof (won't let water pass through).
>>- Over 70% of a bear's mass is water.
>
>I've got it,  lets take all the Gore-tex jackets and pants no one  likes 
>and put them on the bears.  Then only 30% of the bear will be able to attack, 
>if that's what you are worried about.
>
>Even I can outrun 30% of a bear. :-)  :-)

Unless, of course, that 30% happens to be the bears legs. 


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
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