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From: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Re: RECREATIONAL BOAT PURCHASE
Reply-To: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:30:47 GMT

In article <19319@sybase.sybase.com>, allans@sunflower.sybase.com (allan schwab) writes:
>A short while ago, someone asked about buying a recreational/ski boat (I
>think it was in the 17-20 ft. range). 
>
>Does someone have a summary of responses? I didn't save any of them because
>at the time I didn't realize how close I was to deciding on purchasing a
>boat. However, I've taken the plunge, and am now in the process of filtering
>through a ton of makes and models! I'm looking primarily for a recreational
>boat I could use for skiing, knee boarding, tubing, general enjoyment, even 
>fishing if I got the urge!
>
>I was at a Boat Show in Oakland this weekend, and found some interesting deals,
>including:
>
>1992 Chris Craft CONCEPT - 18 ft., trailer, $17,000 out the door (including 
>   dealer prep, tax, license, etc.) - OMC V-8 5.0 High output engine, 200 hp,
>   supposed top end ~ 50 mph
>
>1992 Sea Ray Limited, 18ft. - $15,995 plus tax, license, etc. - V-6, 175 hp,
>   supposed top end ~ 50 mph
>
>1992 Sea Ray (can't remember model!), 19ft. - ~ $21,000 + tax, license, etc. -
>   optional 350 V-8 (included in $21K price, could have gone less engine for
>   less money), 260 hp, top end 60 mph
>
>1992 Four Winns 180, 18ft.  - ~ $15,995 + tax, license, etc. - 302 V-8, 200 hp,
>   supposed top end ~ 45 mph
>
>1992 Four Winns 190, 19 ft. - ~ $20,000 + tax, license, etc. - 351 V-8, 240 hp,
>   supposed top end ~ 50 mph
>
>Any one have any good or bad experiences with any of these boats? Any
>suggestions? Should I buy new or used? (I think that is what the past posts
>dealt with...) What could I pick these up for used? (say about a year or
>two old)
>
>From tidbits I picked up here and there, the pecking order of quality is
>probably: Sea Ray & Donzi (tie), Chris Craft, Four Winns, Bayliner..... (I
>am sure I missed some!)
>
>Final note: I looked a pure ski boats (like Mastercraft, etc.), but do not
>want one due to the limited use (couldn't take into the bay, rough water, etc.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Allan 

I just bought a '91 leftover Sea Ray 185 SR (cuddy) w/4.3L and trailer for 
$13,400.00 (not including tax).

Just remember, those prices you mentioned are negotiable, and esspecially on
leftovers.

I liked the Sea Ray for the Mercruiser, as opposed to OMC (Chris Craft and Four
Winns) and for its overall reputation. Chris Craft and Four Winns are two of
the best names in boating, although I was unable to find any deals as
attractive as the Sea Ray. I would advise to stay away from Bayliner, as they
have a poor resale value.

Good luck,

Mike
From: holloway@star-trek.bbn.com (Jack Holloway)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Shipping cross-country
Date: 9 Apr 1992 16:35:46 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com


Does anyone have any experience shipping a sailboat cross-country?  I
have a 45' Bristol located in Mass and would like to safely and
economically transport it to the SFO region.

Thanks,
Jack Holloway  (holloway@bbn.com)
From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: AC results (short) for Defender trials Sat 4/11
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:34:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	Great race today!  Nice weather; light winds and flat at the start
building to (according to Jobson-on-the-water) 14-16 knots with good chop
by the finish.  "The strongest winds I've seen in the entire trials," said 
Jobson.  Good test for the American crews.  S&S won the start by 0:01 and 
led all the way up the first windward leg and at the first mark by 0:17. 
	On the second windward leg wind and seas increased. A^3's narrower hull 
seemed to move better.  This plus a couple tacks on favorable wind shifts 
put A^3 ahead at the 2nd windward mark by around 0:15.  I haven't been
watching most of these ESPN shows so when I saw the "3-D Sailtrack" today
I flipped!  Wow!  That's a neat piece of work!
	S&S trailed on the next leg and selected their huge <masthead> 
"Citizen" gennaker while Melges and Koch (Koch onboard today, but it
looked like Buddy drove most of the race) chose a fractional-rig reacher.
S&S didn't get the last 7 ft of the spin halyard cranked, so the luff of
the gennaker sagged and when they tried to trim it, it completely collapsed.
A^3's lead spread to around 0:30.
	I didn't see the final two legs; A^3 started out and finished ahead.
Don't know if anything interesting happened here.  Comments were made about
A^3's supposed light-wind modifications looking good yesterday against
Kanza (in light wind); but A^3 also looked very powerful in the brisk
(I wouldn't say *heavy*) winds today.  Maybe the closest thing to an "all-
around" AC boat?  A^3's advantage at the finish was 0:40.

	Tomorrow's race (NOT!) is:	Kanza v A^3
	Monday's sail-off has:		S&S v Kanza

	If there's no wind on Monday, DC is all but in.  If there's a
decent breeze; should be a great, no-holds-barred race!

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rkd@pt.com (Ray Downes)
Subject: Sold down the river, part 2, marine electronics questions
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: ny
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:39:16 GMT

Just about a month ago I posted questions regarding a trip from
Rochester (NY) to Setauket (Long Island, NY), and received some very
helpful replies from:

	Tom Lightbody
	Jon Finke 
	William Michalouski
	Garry Heon
	Nate Lipsen
	and others!

Now I pose some questions related to the various electronics either
currently on the boat I bought or future electronics additions.

First off, the boat came with an AM/FM radio and a VHF marine radio,
both of which share the same antenna. I presume that keying
(transmitting) the VHF radio, especially in high power mode, would
damage the AM/FM radio if it was also powered on at the same time -
yes/no? Related to this, if anyone has the address for Uniden handy,
I'd appreciate it as I need a manual for the VHF radio.

Second, I'm considering purchasing a low-end Loran to assist in lake
crossings.  When about to place an order via a mail-order outfit, I was
warned by the salesperson that none of the current units "cover" the
latest "midwest and northern configurations". Well, I am naive about
many aspects of Loran, but I thought Loran was as developed as it was
going to get, i.e. no future growth planned, at least in the US. This
is to say that I am under the impression that I could even get by with
a relatively recent used Loran *in my region* without problem -
yes/no?
-- 
Ray Downes, Performance Technologies Incorporated		rkd@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		  
Voice - (716) 256-0200, FAX (716) 256-0791
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:37:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center


Hmm. I think that in general, when desiging something, you need to decide up
front if you make it possible to tear it apart and replace parts. Once
you decide that you need to do this, you then have a trade off. The more
effort you put into sealing the thing up, the harder it is to open it up.
Further, winches need to support heavy loads, and turn. It's hard to seal
something like that to the point where no water gets in. (And letting
just a little water in, but making it impossible to open is a corrosion
disaster in the making) You also have to watch that you don't make it
impossible or nearly impossible to pull apart. If things do break,
you'd like to be able to repair them. The harder this is, the more serious
a failure becomes. Winches seem to fall into the bucket where tradition and
useage dictates that they be fairly easy to pull apart and maintain.

Grease is another part of the issue. A lot of what you're doing when
you strip and clean a winch is getting grit out of the winch and putting
clean grease in. The more heavily you grease. the less often you need
new grease, up to a point, but the more horrible the grease becomes once
you do need to get it out. (An over-lubed winch is four times as hard to
clean as a properly lubed one) Lastly, the heavier, longer lasting greases
tend to be thicker, making the winch turn less freely. You don't want that
in a device designed to make things easier. 

When it's warm and I'm in practice, I can pull apart one of Recursions
winches in about 1 minute. I can pull the little bits out in another
minute or two and assemble the whole mess in about three minutes. Time gets
sucked up scrubbing parts with the kerosene dipped rag or toothbrush and
soaking
parts in kerosene to get the gunge out of them. We've popped the drum
off, slapped
some bar-lube at the gears and some WGL (Silicone Grease) at the races
and hit the
pawl springs with a quick shot of T-9 Boeshield, in the middle of a race
in about
2 minutes. Hardly definitive maintinance, but it made the winch a whole lot
happier. (And since we we're reaching outbound at the start of a 200_
mile Vinyard
race, that seemed like a good idea)

			- David



David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
Organization: Junior, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 23:13:45 -0400 
From: Ivan Manuel Bou <ib0c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Antigua to Maryland

In my family we have brought down two powerboats from Miami down to the
Virgin Islands, and despite the fact that we have had a lot of
experience island hopping on our boats I would never undertake such an
adventure witout an experienced skipper at the helm.  Last summer I paid
3000.00 to have someone with us for that trip.  To tell you the truth I
find GPS a toy in such a trip since you will be in range of a lot of
islands during that trip.  But I reiterate making that trip without an
experienced skipper is nuts there a kazillion things that can go wrong,
I've seen many a boats do that trip and I can't remember one right now
that has survived unscathed (30-60 feet ranger yachts).


##############################################################################
#   This is Ivan M. Bou wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  #
#          What do you say, it isn't Christmas, well I don't care.           #
############################################################################## 

Greed is good.

Gordon Gecko
Movie "Wall Street"
From: bloomer@rodson.crd.ge.com (John Bloomer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: looking for affordable generator
Keywords: 3-4 KVA, marine generator, diesel, wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:59:34 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I'm looking for an affordable 3-4 KVA diesel marine generator.

Does anyone know where I might start looking?  Used or new is fine.
-- 
John J. Bloomer 518-387-6964 (dialcomm 833) FAX -7332
KWC317, General Electric Corporate Research and Development
PO Box 8, Schenectady NY 12301
From: truher@s1.gov (Joel Truher)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Vikas Kapur
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:15:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA
Originator: truher@s1.gov

Vikas,

My mail won't get to you.

I'm crewing this season on a big boat, so I'm out of the
small-boat market.

Good luck.

Joel
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Latitude 38
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:41:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


> It's distributed free on the West coast and is available elsewhere

It (Latitude 38) used to be free on the West Coast.  Now it
is free only in California.  Here in Portland Or its $1.25.
The publishers felt that folks outside of Cal don't give
the advertisers enough business, and its the advertisers that
pay to make it free for the readers.  When that changed is
when I stopped bothering to look at it.  Its mostly full of
California boat-party news, BFD, I don't miss it.

-rickf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 18:54:56 GMT

In article <5334@hsi86.hsi.com>, edb@hsi86.hsi.com (Ed Barcewicz) writes:
> 
> My boat has not been in the water the past 2 seasons, but this year I am
> planning to launch by May 1st.  As part of the winterization process I
> put Store N' Start in the fuel tank in the fall of 1989.  Last Spring (1991)
> I was making preparations to launch (Tune-Up etc.) & poured in (can't think
> of the brand name) an additive that is supposed to prepare the gas that has
> been in the tank for use.  Gimme Shelter never did make it into the water
> (for mainly economic reasons) and has been sitting waiting for this Spring.
> 
> I am concerned about the gas that is in the tank. Will additives that shock (?)
> the gas in the Spring dissolve any "gunk" that is in the tank and take care of
> condensation?
> 
> Do I need to also add extra dry gas?
> 
> Would it be best to siphon the tank and start with fresh gas??
> 
> I would appreciate any responses that will help me to make an intelligent
> decision.

Why fool around with that old gasoline?  Drain it out, and replace with
new.  If you are worried about *gunk* in the tank, put a gallon of acetone
in the tank, let sit overnight, and drain.  This will absorb any *gunk* or
water in the tank.  I am assuming that this is a metal tank, with metal or 
rubber lines.  If not, please be cautious, as acetone is an EXCELLENT
solvent for nearly all plastics.

-Pete
From: crandall@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Chris Crandall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:19:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.35058
Organization: Univ. of Florida, Psychology Dept.

In article <702459928.F00001@ship.UUCP> Geno.Dellamattia@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Geno Dellamattia) writes:
>HBS>Then what do you do with the old gas?  I have about 8 gallons of old
>
>Leave it in the open and it will evaporate.  You should do the same with
>solvents and other light petroleum products.

     No!  This is illegal in many locales (e.g., Los Angeles), because it
directly and dramatically increases air pollution.  The argument here appears
to be dump it in the air, rather than the ground or water, because in the
air "it's all gone."  Not so, it will directly contribute to ozone (which is
bad in the lower atmosphere), exacerbate asthma attacks, etc.

     I would recommend slowly, perhaps a liter at a time, adding it to
your car's gas tank with each new fill-up.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: moise@tesla.mitre.org (Moise N. Solomon)
Subject: Re: Referance to Navy trash dumping
Organization: The MITRE Corportation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 17:27:33 GMT

In article <53374@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
> 
> I have recently finished serving a tour of duty in the Navy and you can take
> my word that trash is dumped off aft without regard to what kind of trash it
> is. I have no idea if it is legal or not but I do know that it can only be done
> at a specified length from shore.This is just FYI. 
> 
>                                                      Bruce Mccullough

This is not only done by the US Navy, but also every ship and tanker
out their.  The oil tankers regularly fill their tanks with sea water
for balast.  They will then pump this water out before entering port.

Don't forget the US Navys practice of removing old nuclear reactors
from submarines and dumping off the west coast continental shelf.

Moise Solomon    moise@tesla.mitre.org
From: fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Michael A. Fallavollita)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sextant WANTED!
Summary: Subject says it.
Keywords: wanted sextant
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:46:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA


Does anyone have an old sextant that they would like to sell?  My wife and
I are in the process of looking for our first boat, and I've been studying
celestial navigation in the little spare time I have.  My boss just gave
me a book he used, and some tables, but I don't have a sextant!

If you have an extra you'd like to sell, please drop me a line.

Thanks.

Mike Fallavollita
fallavol@corvus.arc.nasa.gov
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: AC rules
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:45:31 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 9379@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu, folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse) writes:
>A quick AC rules question: The Washington Post reported that the America 3
>campaign can pick which boat is uses in the defense of the cup (presuming
>they win the next series), even tho' they campaigned Kanza and A3 seperately
>in the defender series. Is this correct? 

I believe it is correct and comes from the "slot"
arrangement of the defender trials.  Koch has two slots,
into which he can put any boats he pleases (switches to
occur at the start of each new defender series).  For the
just-ended semifinals, he put Kanza into A^3's old slot,
inheriting her points; he switched A^3 to Defiant's old slot.
The slot occupied by Kanza has now been eliminated, but
Koch can put either boat in his remaining one.  

By the same token, Conner, should you believe in miracles,
could put a new boat into S&S's slot.  (Would Koch sell him
Kanza or A^3 for $1?  That might produce the strongest defense 
unless S&S's competitive wind range can be widened.)

Bill Courington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:32:36 GMT

My wife and I returned from Christmas in the BVIs and are planning to
return next Christmas if we can find two more couples to share the boat
we have chartered.
 
Provisions in Tortola are very easy to get - and surprisingly inexpensive.
 
 
Move your boat to near the ferry dock and drop off one or two people to shop
at the only large supermarket in town.  It is an easy walk from the dock - but
ask several people.  There is no visable entrance from the main street and
we missed it several times - even thou we had a map!  (that was the only
time we were lost on the trip).
 
 
Food was reasonable, meat fairly inexpensive (especially lamb), and the
bread was fresh, cheap and very good.
 
From Tortola, go directly across to Peter Island - an easy sail your first
day.  Peter Island Yacht Club has a Fixe Price Dinner (abut $35/person)
that will be your best deal.
 
Buy the book about SCUBA in the BVIs - it is available from the dive
shop at the moorings near the ferry dock.  That is a good thing tfor the
non-shoppers to do while the shoppers are shopping.  It has diagrams of
all the places with SCUBA moorings in the BVIs.  They are available to
anyone on a FCFS basis (free) for a day anchorage.  Nice places to
SCUBA, SNORKLE or hike are in ample supply.
 
Go to Bitter end - you need a reservation at Sir Francis Drake - but do it
early, the place fills up.  Bitter End is a series of excellent anchorages.
 
Go to Caneel Bay on St. John.  The grounds are BEAUTIFUL and there is
excellent food.  Free loaders on yachts are very welcome!  There is
ample anchorage, lots of things to do and see and except for the food,
everything is free.  The food on the resort is very, very expensive and
not terribly good - but beautiful to look at.
 
Take charts with you.!!.  The charter company provided some charts - and
we had some - but we appreciated more and purchases extra when we had
the chance.  I normally take my piloting instruments with me when I charter
but everyone told me the VIs were easy to travel around.  Well, they were
right - but it is a lot more fun (for me) when I have good charts, good
guidebooks (take several) and good instruments.
 
If this description interests anyone, we are still looking for another
couple for the 39' Privilege cat we chartered out of BVI for Christmas
and New Years.  /Stu Bell
 
PS:  Enjoy the trip!  take lots of pictures and buy an underwater camera -
there is lots to see.
From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: gps receivers - price
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:03:26 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information


AO>UK prices:

AO>Magnavox MX 100        #1750  <<<<<<<<<<< $2425.95
AO>Magellan 5200          #1150  <<<<<<<<<<< $1575.95
AO>Garmin GPS 50          #780   <<<<<<<<<<< $899.95

AO>These are prices in pounds sterling. Can anyone produce comparative
AO>figures for this equipment elsewhere?

The $ prices I quote above are from Defender Industries, New Rochelle, NY.
Phone 914-632-3001 (I couldn't find any international 800 number).

Assuming #1 = $1.8 (is that still about right?) the prices look pretty good.

Good luck.

                        ........Nate
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: d_martin@engr
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:31:29 GMT

In article <2359@isgtec.isgtec.com>, ron@isgtec.com (Ron Lipsius) writes:
> In article smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>> What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>> ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>> carrying in excess of 4000 people.
>> 
>I initially replied through private mail, but had to say this:
> THERE WAS ROOM TO STORE IT BEFORE IT WAS GARBAGE, so there has
> to be at least as much room afterwards.  Compact it and it will
> take even less room than originally.  
> 
> Small boats or large, the volume of trash produced cannot be larger
> than the amount of trash brought on board.  For those who camp, the
> credo has been:
> "Pack it in, pack it out." 
> 

Someone made a comment that deserves repeating with respect to 
replenishment at sea opperations for navy ships:  The complete
cruise's provisions are NOT on board when they leave the dock, 
it gets loaded a bit at a time during the course of the trip...
so there isn't space to keep ALL the garbage, 

BUT 

I don't see why the supply ship can't take the (compacted/packaged)
garbage back on board while they have all the jack stays (transfer wires)
hooked up.  They should have lots of time while they pump the tons of fuel,
water, etc.   

This way, the garbage can pile up in someone's 
backyard instead of on the beach ;-) 

>  Good advice for a tidy environment.  
> (Better would be if we could avoid garbage entirely,
> but I haven't figured out how yet.)
> 

Here here.

Dave.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tony@director.beckman.uiuc.edu (Tony Rimovsky)
Subject: Re: Looking for book
Keywords: racing tactics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:44:32 GMT

I am also looking for a book on racing.  I need the rules and strategies
used in triangle races over short courses.  I am sailing a Flying Scot on a
lake in central Illinois and there is a fairly good sailing club I want to
race in.  Also, if anyone has the number or address I can use to get a copy
of the class rules for the Scot handy, I'd appriciate it.

Thanks
Tony 
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