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From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:17:23 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep8.144149.18953@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

 #2) Unfortunately this perspective leaves one half of the equation, namely the
 #woman herself.  It is quite apparent that the chador (and roosaree) have been
 #imposed upon the women of the middle east not by Allah, but by men and men
 #alone.  "Gar nigah dareh man on ast..."  Indeed, this first line of the poem
 #says something near to the heart.  I know my God is the God that wants, above
 #all, for humans to decide for themselves.  God wants us to choose what to do
 #in the face of challenges, not to run from them.  To cover a woman because you
 #are too weak to face the challenge of your own rampant sexuality is to run
 #from the challenge that (frankly) I think yogis, sufis, buddhists and taoists
 #handle much better than the run of the lot of moslems.    

But the exact same observation can be made about women's cover in the US.
I mean there is a minimum cover that they are required to have in public
by law. It is true that it is much less than the cover required of women in Iran
BUT the principle is the same. I am not defending any particular system
here. I am just pointing out that the two systems follow the same principle
but only degrees are different. Try to separate yourself from any specific
culture and you will see it that way too. You can say this is the degree of
minimum cover that I believe is appropriate but you can not say that one
country covers women and one country does not cover women.
                          
 #3) I am about to make a very American, prejudiced remark: it is our
 #observation here that Iranian men/boys, upon coming to the U.S., many times
 #become very licentious.  More than one American woman has told me of episodes
 #with presumptuous Iranian men attempting to "mount me before we even left the
 #party."  Now I am hardly one to criticize, because without my fairly carefully
 #honed sense of restraint, this is my first impulse as well.  Nonetheless,

I can believe that but I can also tell you stories from the other end. When
I was going to college in the US, I had several instances of American
women/girls who appeared very prepared to use sex to attract me to
themselves. Perhaps they thought that I being an Iranian/middle-easterner,
was more vulnerable to sexual temptation than the average American man.
Unfortunately, that made a very negative impression on me because I had a
different concept of how I wanted to relate to women. Those experiences
became my earliest and most important experiences with American women.
(That naive boy fresh out of an Iranian high school had a completely
different concept of the "equal and liberated" American women.)

And finally as the Japanese say: so, so, so, so, so, so, so, .....
    
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
From: fekr@mips.com (Fekr Nevisandeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Answers to the trivia questions
Date: 11 Sep 1992 01:09:07 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: world
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Originator: fekr@gorgan.mips.com


Posted for Masoud, sorry for delay, was not monitoring fekr account.

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I can't believe Hooshyar answered the second question.  Indeed, You, Hooshyar,
are a soccer-khore :-) (meaning that he has a mania for soccer).


Here are the answers, again:

1)  Mansour Rashidi was the goal keeper in the second game, because neither 
    Nasser Hejazi (our best goal keeper at the time) nor anyone else felt he 
    had enough confidence in himself to stay in the goal due to the loss of 
    3-0 in the first match.

2)  The opportunity which was missed happended in the second half when 
    Ebrahim Ashtiani crossed the ball right behind the penalty zone near the 
    corner line which passed everone and hit the over-head goal post.

Hope you enjoyed.

Masoud.
masoud@hicomb.hi.com


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:14:22 GMT

In article <assist.715983032@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
|> 
|>>1. His lack of experience with reality.
|>>My friend, MKO has actively supported the invasion of Iran by Iraq and
|>>Saddam's regime.
|>
|> Here is the first major lie. If you and anyone else could
|> support the above statement, I'll swear to the legitimacy
|> of the akhounds in Iran!
|> 

MKO's existance in Iraq is proof enough!   

SO when is the swearing ceremony?   :-)

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From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:24:56 GMT
Organization: UB

In article nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
>"repression of women in Iran".

>basically throwing them all in a bus and taking them to komiteh.  I saw them stop
>cars in Mohseni sq. and load a bus with people.  Several people I know where
>taken to komiteh's while I was there.  Mr. Behnam Sadeghi says they weren't
>arrested but rather stopped due to "their immodest dress".  What is an immodest
>dress sir?  A brick colored manteau?   
>

That is exactly what one of my friends told me after she got back from
Iran. She said the load people up in the busses which are there for that
purpose and take them to Kommitteh and fine people according to what
"crime" they have committed for example :

	$20 for nail polish
	$30 for red or pink outfit
	$15 for eylashes and eyebra make-ups

These are just examples but the do have a list of "crimes" and their
pay-off prices.

Ramin

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* "God Come down , If you are really there. Well, You're  *
*  the one who claims to care ....   "   The Mozzerman    *
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From: jafar@blue.ism.isc.com (Jafar Honarmand)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Response to everyone
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:17:29 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Santa Monica, CA

In article <BuFAtK.w9@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.34824.12668@ms.uky.edu> uk05650@nx30.mik.uky.edu (Adnan Al-Alharmoodi) writes:
>>
>>	I hope I haven't insulted anyone.  By the way I am orginally from  
>Strange thoughts, I am from Shiraz and have heard jokes about Almost the
>entire Iran except shiraz. I , being a shirazy , know that we have alot to
>make fun of , besides shirazy accent which I honestly dislike . But I've
>never heard any joke of Shirazi's. I would like to hear some if anyone
>knows any jokes. as a matter of fact since I know it's rare , I 'll
>challenge you to come up with a joke about shiraz. If I don't see enough
>challenge, I'll start myself. But I wait for you guys and gals first. 
>
>Ramin

Here is an old one, enjoy it:

At Reza Shah's era, he appointed a group within the government to build
whorehouses in all major cities in favor of saving the innocent public.
They prepared a list of cities and ran it by him. When he got to Shiraz,
he crossed it off. When they asked him why, he said: "just put a fence around
the whole city".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: repression of women
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:37:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.183412.19759@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi) writes:

>Great! by the same analogy, drinking tea is the same as shooting heroin,
>they are both addictive substances, only the degree is different! 

That's right, only the degree is different. That's the whole point.
However, the fact that the degree is different doesn't justify shooting
heroin.   That's also why the Western requirements on dress which
are restricted only to the covering genitals and part of the breast (for
women) are not acceptable within any Muslim culture.  (Thanks God!).

>Mash Bagher

Behnam Sadeghi
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Examples of MAJOR Lies (was rerpession of women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:02 GMT

farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>Not even close bud.  My logic is very similar to what most
>Iranians think

You and the rest of those Iranian who think this way are
not perhaps paying attentions to the facts. The things
you utter is what has appeared in the regime's press
in last ten years. The regime distorts facts to suit its
own purposes. When regime faces a force like the Mojahedin
who have discredit the regime all over the world, and who
played an important role in ending regime's warmongering,
the regime has no other choice but to utter lies, 
misinformation, and false and baseless claims. The facts
are that:

	* the Mojahedin were in Iran when Iraq invaded Iran
	* the Mojahedin moved to Iraq in 1986 when the
	  Iraqis were no longer in Iran and had asked for
	  ceasefire
	* the Mojahedin played an important role in ending
	  regimes cries for "war, war, ..."

>and it is far away from what the akhoundists
>have in mind.  Unfortunately akhoundists have the Holy Molly
>Guacamole religion as their weapons and have learned they can
>easily control the people.

>---

>You guys do not get it, do you? 

>It does not matter how legit your existence in Iraq is,
>To most of Iranians you guys are in ENEMY's territory and

First, the enemy of the Iranians is the Khomeini regime.
Second, an "enemy" (like the regime) acts against the
interests of the people. The Mojahedin have always been
for the people. Thay have gave many sacrificies; they
have gone thru hardship, they campaigned hard for peace,
they have exposed the regime all over the world, they
made sure that human rights violations, executions, and
torture in Iran does not go un-heared, ... These are
all for the interest of people.

>in their mind you are the ENEMY too.  Iranians have suffered
>a lot in that war and it will be a while for them to forget.
               ^^^
The war must have stopped in 1982. Period. The Khomeini regime
is responsible for what Iran and the Iranian suffered during
the senseless continuation of war.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:59:56 GMT

In <1992Sep8.140238.1473@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie) writes:


>Behnam Sadeghi writes:

>|> >Several weeks ago, the NYT reported that some 600 women were arrested
>|> >in Iran in few days for the same "crime": lack of what the regime
>|> >considers proper veil (i.e., the women should follow the regime's
>|> >reactionary, repressive policy of covering themselves in chadors, not
>|> >using perfume or makeups, not wearing colorful cloths, etc.)
>|> 
>|> This is incorrect.   Four hundred women were stopped 
>|> on the streets due to their immodest dress; they were asked to
>|> promiss that they would not repeat the offense again, and they were
>|> let go.  They weren't arrested.  Only 20 people were actually arrested.

>Arrested or not, they are STILL being harassed for being individuals.

I get arrested if I walk down the street naked.

Recognize that the principle is the SAME, it is just the degree which is
different.

 Fred Rice
 darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au   

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	One can either take the time
	to learn about the Islamic faith,
	or one can defer to the wisdom of
	broadcast television and hollywood
	and fail to understand it, completely.

				     Gerard Vignes
	[quoted with permission]
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Paarsi-TeX
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:59:08 GMT

SalAm,

Don Knuth gave me a letter he received from Iran about Paarsi_TeX.

It seems that a company in Iran called Dadeh Kavi of Iran Co. Ltd
"Sherkateh dAdeKaveeye IrAn" has made TeX in Farsi!  I have put  the
compiled version in gif format on Tehran's anonymous ftp pub/ directory:   

called ptex1m.gif
       ptex2m.gif

I have not scanned the raw farsi version yet but I'll do that soon.

Here is the address of the company:


--------------------
Dadeh Kavi of Iran Co. Ltd.
No. 417,  3rd floor
Dr. Shariati Ave.  bAghe SabAh,
Tehran, Iran 16139

Managing Director is  A.B. Yazdipur

tel:  011-9821-76-0014
--------------------

enjoy!

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 13 Sep 1992 20:46:02 CDT
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Quran

In Islam man stands before God as his vice-gerent on
earth. It is, however, in seeking to approach Him
that he needs the intermediaries who are the Prophet
and the Imams. For his daily religious life the Shi'ite
believer has no more need of human intermediaries between
him and God than does the Sunni. Every Muslim is himself
a priest, be he a Sunni or Shi'ah.(Morewedge 78)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Distasteful posting
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:58:39 GMT

From behzad Tue Sep 15 16:48:58 1992
Return-Path: <behzad>
Received: by bb12c.mdd.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	id AA09985; Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:48:53 PDT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:48:53 PDT
From: behzad (Behzad Khamneian)
Message-Id: <9209152348.AA09985@bb12c.mdd.comm.mot.com>
To: ucs@usc.edu, behzad, baze@carson.u.washington.edu
Subject: Unappreciated post!!
Status: R

SalAm hamvatanAneh azeez,

I submitted the following message to ucs@usc.edu by e-mail.  I urge you to 
also send a message to inform the USC System Manager of your displeasure,
regarding Roger David Carasso's posting.  Personally, I am not the type of
person to tolerate such misbehavior, even if it was a "joke", because a
posting such as the "NUKE IRAN" one is NOT funny and IS VERY RACIST.

MESSAGE TO UCS@USC.EDU :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The following message was posted on soc.culture.iranian and other newsgroups.
Its contents are distasteful!!

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soc.culture.iranian #12345 (1 more)                                        [1]
From: dlee@usc.edu (ROGER DAVID CARASSO)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,rec.humor,soc.culture.iranian
[1] NUKE IRAN
Followup-To: talk.bizarre,misc.test,rec.humor,soc.culture.iranian
Date: Tue Sep 15 15:14:48 PDT 1992
Organization: ROGER DAVID CARASSO
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


>      Russia and China will sell nuclear reactors and nuclear
> technology to Iran, despite U.S. objections. This was relayed to
> Washington by U.S. and Iranian officials. Iran's President, now
> visiting Beijing, announced that China agreed to sell to his country a
> 300 megawatt reactor, for non-military purposes. Russia promised to
> sell to Iran two 440 megawatt reactors and send 170 technicians to
> build and operate them. Russia also emphasized that these reactors are
> for non-military purposes.
>

What an opportunity for the U.S.!!!  We allow the *RUSSIANS* to sell
nuclear reactors to Iran.  The RUSSIANS!  GET IT?  The folks that
brought us Chernobyl will be supplying Iran with nuclear reactors.
What a coup.  If the wind's blowing the right direction when the damn
things blow up, we might be able to take out both Iran and Iraq at the
same time.  I'm tellin' ya', ole George Bush ain't as stupid as folks
make out.

I'm votin' for Bush!

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Please use your own judgement and take the appropriate actions against this 
individual, based on the net rules of University of Southern California.

Thank you,

Behzad Khamneian
Motorola Inc., MDD  -  Bothell, Washington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


With regards,

Behzad Khamneian



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jackn@caspianc.ism.isc.com (Jack Neman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shajarian in Chicago?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 05:14:14 GMT
Organization: SunSoft Inc., Los Angeles, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: caspianc

In article <x8sn7!l@lynx.unm.edu> hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) writes:
>Hello :
>
>Someone told me that Shajarian will be in Chicago very soon.  Can anyone
>kindly confirm that?
>
>
>
>Farid Hamjavar
>Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I already went to his concert in LA. His concerts for the rest of the cities
in U.S. are as follows:

	Chicago		Sep 6
	NY		Sep 13
	Boston  	Sep 19
	Washington DC  	Oct 3/4
	Dallas		Oct 17
	LA		Oct 31
	San Francisco	Nov 8
From: farshid@watson.siemens.com (Farshid Arman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: News from Iran
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:59:44 GMT
Organization: Siemens Corp. Res., Inc. Princeton, NJ

In article <1992Sep9.201032.27726@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> harrsen@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen) writes:
>According to Mojahedin, units of Iranian Army opened fire on
>Khomainie's Guards (Pasdaran) in SaaD_Abbad Palace (Kakh)
>yesterday. The fighting have spilled over to the streets of
>Tehran and continues in the Tajrish circle (Meydan). A
>number of dead Pasdars have been seen on the streets by the
>eye witnesses. Regime has blocked the streets close by. Last
>report indicates that the fighting continues.
>
>Asghar

FYI: today's New York Times reports a similar incident.  Over a
building? and that it is not uncommon!!  In that report the fighting
was between the Army and the Police and the Gaurds broke it up
with tear gas!! hmmm.....


F.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Re: repression...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:18:43 GMT


12-Sep-92 19:31	abbasa@ul.ie	Re: repression of women

>Iranian women has already decided what is good for them by overwhelmingly
>voting in favour the present islamic constitution of Iran.  I would
>like every democratic-minded person to respect their will.

As reported in "Time" the early elections held for Imam Khomeini were
conducted with members of the revolutionary guards at the polling stations and
used green colored ballots for Khomeini and red ones for those who wanted to
vote against.  To call this a "democratic" election is a joke.n

>Sir, may be you did not follow the whole thread of discussion.  The author of
>the original article had argued that chador was imposed on women in Iran to
>hide her from Iranian men who are very sexually aggressive towards women. 
>I was just citing an example to make it clear that although many priests have 
>been found involved in sex-related scandals but it does not imply that nuns 
>cover their body because of that reason.  Similarly it is nonsense to say that
>nature of men in Iran has some thing to do with veiling. 

I don't know whether you are being clever or not, but this is not at all what
I was implying.  If I had implied what you are saying I said, then that would
be a racist remark. Instead what I was saying is that all men (basically I
believe) are typically very sexual creatures and that veils don't seem like a
bad idea except that they ignore women's choices (a big sin in my view)
entirely.  Also, I said that I felt that Iranian culture so stifles sexuality
of any kind that the truly reprehensible behaviors that had been reported to
me by *some* American women of *some* young Iranian men were explainable from
this paradigm and were illustrations of the reality of contempt for women that
is apparently ingrained in some of these men.  That is, nobody should be
treated with disrespect, period.  I wasn't trying to offend anyone although I
probably have. 

I don't think American men are better at all.  But I definitely don't think
taking away a woman's right to choose her clothing is the correct way to fight
this terrible male disease of hypersexuality and disrespect.  And, if I read
my Qur'an correctly, there is no requirement for women to cover themselves
from head-to-toe anyway.  

My point is that to cover women is an *external* measure that doesn't really
solve the *internal* nature of sexuality *and* it commits a sin by imposing on
our sisters to cover themselves due to our weaknesses *and* it is not in the
Qur'an that this measure be taken.  

Further, I think it is incumbent upon all good moslems (or Christians, Hindus
and Jews) to _lead by example_ if you want a society of your design.  People
should *choose* your way if it is indeed a good way.  It should *never* be
imposed under any circumstances--you simply have no right to try to cure
another's ills, no matter how desperate you *think* they are.  And I think the
fanatics of all religions would do well to consider this message.
From: bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Googoosh Image on tehran.stanford.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:12:15 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

Hello All,

In case it wasn't mentioned before, I put a gif image of Googoosh
on tehran.stanford.edu @ /Iran_Lib/gif. It's in B&W, BNM it's 
perfect, and it's an older picture of her. I guess it's still
alright ...

				Have fun,
				Noushin :)

-- 
If it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. It's much easier to apologize 
than it is to get permission.		
					- Grace Murray Hopper
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