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From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Men's Issues Newsbri (2)
X-To: DAVE GROSS
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:38:00 GMT

Dave Gross writes...
DG> "Women don't kill men unless they've been pushed to a point of desperation."
DG>                 -- Dr. Lenore Walker, executive director of the
DG>          Domestic Violence Institute

Hmmph!  But apparently when men kill women, it is *always* "for control,"
rather than desperation, right?

Gee, does it sound like she's trying to justify violence?  Except when it's
by an individual who is double-X-chromosonally-challenged, it would seem,
though...

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Xref: sparky soc.men:17834 soc.women:17828 sci.physics:16683 sci.math:13351
From: luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,sci.physics,sci.math
Subject: Re: Barbie is Right! (was: Mattel on women)
Keywords: Targetting females once again??????
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct12.225937.17398@netcom.com> 
sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

>I don't know what all the fuss is about, folks. I think Barbie is right.
>Math class IS hard. And I should be in a position to know, I majored in math.
>I had to really "bust ass" once I became an upperclassman.  If there
>were any "easy math classes," you sure couldn't graduate in my major by
>taking them.

Then why doesn't she tell the whole truth like "Math class is tough, but I 
can do it if I work hard"?

I don't think that the people who came up with this idea meant to be 
subversive.  I tend to believe it stems from a basic assumption born of 
ignorance.  They probably meant to have Barbie say things that young girls 
could identify with.  And they thought that young girls could identify with 
math class being hard.  Most likely that is because they found math class to 
be hard.  Well, not math exactly, just arithmetic (we *are* talking about 
young children, and these young girls probably don't think "She's not 
talking about our math class, but hers.  I bet she's taking calculus or 
algebraic topology, or one of those other tough classes").  I interpret this 
to be less an attack on the values of young girls than the unfortunate 
attitude of her marketers that have had a hard time with arithmetic.

Dean Nelson den0@lehigh.edu
Xref: sparky soc.men:17644 soc.women:17633
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 02:59:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1aa7dpINNnmo@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>In a previous apartment I had the toilet seat rigged so that it
>would suddenly come slamming down.  Boy you should've seen then jump!
>
>							--  Michal

Ever go to the bathroom and find out, too late, that the toilet paper had been
removed to another room by someone who knew that sooner or later you'd find
yourself in this vulnerable position?  BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAAA!!

It's enough to make one go out of their way to undo their riggings.
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: We, The Persons
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:06:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


  We the hominids?

  This thread reminds me of a joke about how different newspapers would
cover the end of the world.  As I recall, the Wall Street Journal said
something like "World Ends Tomorrow--Stocks Tumble," and some PC
newspaper (I can't remember which) had the headline

	"World Ends Tomorrow--Women and Minorities Hit Hardest"
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: zzz@byron.u.washington.edu (Sample)
Subject: Re: Andre Marou
Reply-To: zzz@byron.u.washington.edu (Sample)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:57:28 GMT

I wrote:
     "Is Marou on the ballot in Washington State?
     Is he on all 50 states?"

Duane Hentrich squawked:
> As I said to you in reply to your mail, which was an exact copy of your post,
> register to vote. If they don't send you a packet containing info on who 
> and what's on the I can't help you cause I don't know.
> Please stop sending me copies of posts.

  Thanks for the "I don't know" answer.
  I never got email from you.
  I may send email with a post -- suffer.
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:13:12 GMT

firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.181923.5528@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:

>>There are simply no significant population differences between
>>different racial or ethnic groups, and anyone who doubts this is
>>a prejudiced bigot.

>Absolutely!  For example, the fact that no three-toed sloths have won
>the Nobel Prize for Physics is proof of systematic institutionalised
>discrimination against the differently metabolically abled.  They
>were all probably given barbie dolls that say "Phys is tough", too.

Not quite. Recent research by Dr. Mungele et. al. at the Jerks Secondary
Center has shown conclusively that the failure of three-toed sloths to
win the Nobel Prize for Physics (as opposed, for example, to the exemplary
performance of castrated hamsters in Literature and Biophysics) is due
entirely to the growth of certain mosses on the fur of the sloth. The
bryophytes release a substance closely related to a neurotransmitter
unique to the sloth, rendering the animal practically torpid. In an
article in J. Sc. Bog. (14) pp.104-449 Mungele presents the convincing
case of a sloth freed of this infestation, and clocked at 68mph in the
standing quarter mile, all while mentally inverting a 27x27 Hermitian
matrix. It is left to the gentle reader to extrapolate these results
to the future performance of sloths in physics.

Regards,
       H. Biesel
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:32:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.184519.24813@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

)Absolutely!  For example, the fact that no three-toed sloths have won
)the Nobel Prize for Physics is proof of systematic institutionalised
)discrimination against the differently metabolically abled.  They
)were all probably given barbie dolls that say "Phys is tough", too.

Hmmm - I'm pretty sure my Official PC Dictionary (very funny parody BTW)
defines 'differently metabolically abled' as --> 'dead'.

Xref: sparky soc.men:17409 alt.feminism:2163 alt.sex:32168
From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.feminism,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Catharine MacKinnon, Playboy and feminist propaganda
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: The Piranha Club

In article <BvHJvK.Fx@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu 
(Tim Pierce) writes:

>A lot of people tend to wonder this, I think.  That's when they start
>to read what MacKinnon actually writes, and not the thrice-revomited
>pap that people like Gazit and Vidiguris and Dyer pass off as her
>writing.

Tell me Tim, do you support the MacKinnon-sponsored 
anti-porno legislation?

Please try to answer yes or no.

(There is no need to include personal attacks as a part of the answer.)
From: jj07@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES JACKSON)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Need Help
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:26:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello,

    I need some help from those of you who have been married for  a while. I'm
    new at the marriage game and I'm getting off to a bad start. All of my
    friends, said to me, that the woman I had dated, was not the woman I was
    marrying. Well they were rigth! I never new that the sweet, caring, loving
    lady that I knew, would turn out to be well such a b----. Now don't get me
    wrong I know I'm not easy to live with but I'm really, really
    trying. But it seems the more I give, the more she wants.

    We are working our differences out and we are tslking a lot but the going
    is slow.

    Ok. I've only been at this for a year and 2 months. But it's been the
    longest year of my life.

    Any words of wisdom????

    Jack.
From: asgard@plx.com (J.R. Stoner)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Violent Di Batters Charles
Keywords: Poor Little Princess!n
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:06:59 GMT
Organization: Heironamous Botch's Murk Works

In article <1992Oct4.180321.16023@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:

_	No, because the National Enquirer also claims that some woman
_in Iowa is pregnant by an extra-terrestial and that garlic cures cancer.

In article <1992Oct3.050913.13539@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:

_>Are you implying that garlic is NOT a miracle cure?  I, and other garlic
_>lovers, are very offended.

_>wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
_
_I thought it was supposed to help with cardiovascular disease. 

And lycanthropy.

Remember, that Garlic is number four on J.R.'s list of the four food groups.

-- 
J.R. Stoner, DWMIT - asgard@plx.com - sun.com!plx!plxsun!asgard
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Swords
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:47:48 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct12.104534.2616@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>Using a sword is a matter of physical strength.

	Bzzzzt.  

	Sorry, but proper use of a sword, especially the two-handed katana
of the Japanese, requires more in the way of balance, timing, and proper
use of the body (in terms of weight and posture) than it does strength. 

>  People have been trying to prove that women can fight men on equal footing

	Foo.  I invite you to visit any martial arts school worth its
promotion fees, or the local pistol range.

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: The Politics Of Appeasement
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.181923.5528@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:

>There are simply no significant population differences between
>different racial or ethnic groups, and anyone who doubts this is
>a prejudiced bigot.

Absolutely!  For example, the fact that no three-toed sloths have won
the Nobel Prize for Physics is proof of systematic institutionalised
discrimination against the differently metabolically abled.  They
were all probably given barbie dolls that say "Phys is tough", too.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17412 alt.child-support:3433 alt.politics.clinton:8811
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:59:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.011133.14186@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:


>May I remind you that alimony is not the same as child support?  The
>bluring of the distinction, and the assumption that it's only moms
>that do or should get custody and the assumption that all deadbeat
>parents are fathers are two of the things that made my election choice
>clear.

And what is that choice?  Bush?  The man that trashed this country
without blinking an eye, the man who lies to us every day, allows his
family to steal from us, and doesn't give a rat's ass about what happens
to us as long as he and his friends get their cut, wins your support
because of something that *YOU* *INFERRED* from a quote taken out
of context?

Clinton wants to enforce whatever decisions are made by the courts.
He didn't say that he assumes that moms always deserve to get custoday
and that all deadbeat parents are fathers.  He didn't spell it out
for you so you assumed the worst.  Well, let me tell you something,
Bush did spell it out for you.  He's been spelling it out for 4 long
years.  This is what he's spelling " I D-O-N-'-T C-A-R-E "

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Xref: sparky soc.men:17452 soc.women:17470
From: shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: CONDOMS! and AIDS
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:54:16 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <1atf5mINNl98@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>Unless, of course, one of you got a blood transfusion many years ago.

Its getting to be long enough since the blood tests were implemented
that this is less of a risk -- if you aren't HIV positive by now, 
you likely won't be from an old blood transfusion.

>Or you visited the wrong health professional.  Or someone sticks
>you with an infected needle in the street.  Or....
>
>Sure, everything listed here is very unlikely -- a one-in-a-zillion chance.
>But the point is that you can't be *sure*.  You can only minimize risk
>and avoid taking unwarranted chances.

True, but given that the odds of these are microscopic vs the 15%-40%
odds of a condom failure, I think that minimizing risk means not
trusting condoms. If you persist in sleeping around, using a condom
will *NOT* prevent you from getting AIDS (not with a 15%-40%
probability of failure -- and that's if properly used -- anyone have a
figure for how often condoms are used "properly" in real life? I'd
think that stopping to read the instructions might have an inhibitory
affect.) 
				Tim
-- 
Tim Shimeall ((408) 646-2509)
The proper response to detecting a bug isn't to fix the bug - it's to make 
sure you'll never have to worry about that bug again.  --- Richard Hamming
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu (SunCat)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Magazine:_Man!_
Keywords: Austin Men's Center periodical
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:04:04 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Here is a magazine I've recently come across.  Built-in chuckle regarding  
the name, both _Man!_ and a 1930's newspaper by the same name (including  
the !) are available in a local library.

---from the latest issue---

Man! is published by Mandala Publishing, Inc., in friendship with the  
Austin Men's Center.  The intention of this journal is to support men and  
women to deepen their journeys in recovery by presenting ideas, feelings  
and experiences that enhance, excite and heal.  Man! attempts to carry the  
message of the men's movement and the recovery movement to everyone.  We  
hope that Man! will deepen the understanding and trust between men and  
men, men and women, and men and  children.  As we break the patterns  
imposed on us as children and recover and nurture our own inner self, we  
will raise healthier children, sustain better relationships, and support  
more loving communities.
[...]
Man! (ISSN#: 1056-5175) is published quarterly in Spring, Summe, Fall and  
Winter.  
[...]
inquires or comments to Man! should be addressed to 4314 Medical Pkway  
#200, Austin, Texas 78756.  Or call us at (512) 452-8833 and (512)  
477-9595.  Man! encourages unsolicited material from individuals   
concerned with recovery, relationships, men's issues and the care and  
feeding of this planet and its people.  Please address amnuscripts to the  
attention of David Kramer.  We regret that we cannot respond unless you  
send a stamped, self-addressed envelope.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17603 alt.dads-rights:2444
From: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:51:09 GMT
Reply-To: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 4622@gandalf.rutgers.edu, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>
>>In article <Oct.7.09.59.47.1992.1945@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>>>kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <1992Oct6.011133.14186@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>
>>It's a pretty straightforward conclusion from his choice of words,
>>especially his use of pronouns.  His inconsistent attempts at
>>gender-neutrality are about as believable as not inhaling.
>
>So, in the name of men's rights, you are willing to hand this country
>back to George Bush for another reign of terror?  How frighteningly
>narrowminded.
>
>-- 
>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 

The only frightening thing here is how many folks are willing to apologize
for Slick Willie's own words.  Bush & Perot may lie on occasion, but at least 
they stick to one after they let it out.  Billy Boy keeps getting his foot
caught in his mounth as he "remembers" different versions depending on who's
listening. They are *all* corrupt in some way or another - stop idolizing
Clinton just because you think he's "clean" and of like mind. Clinton's 
pandering to his audience on "father's responsibility" is just one more 
eason for me to suspect his motives.

As far as I can see, there's *no* decent choice for president this time.

Yuck!

---
= exudnw@exu.ericsson.se                                                =
= David Williams              "You can't win, you can't break even,     =
= Ericsson Network Systems     and you can't quit"                      =
= Richardson, TX 75081                                  my opinions...  =
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: wcaceres@lonestar.utsa.edu (Wendy K. Caceres)
Subject: Re: Barbie is Right! (was: Mattel on women)
Keywords: Targetting females once again??????
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.225937.17398@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>I don't know what all the fuss is about, folks. I think Barbie is right.
>Math class IS hard. And I should be in a position to know, I majored in math.
>I had to really "bust ass" once I became an upperclassman.  If there
>were any "easy math classes," you sure couldn't graduate in my major by
>taking them.
>

the fuss is about

the fact that barbie does not say 'history is hard' or 'english is hard'
or 'home ec is hard', she says 'math is hard' which many of the folks
think is a phrase that reinforces the stereotype that girls can't do math
as well as boys.

math is not hard!  i ought to know, i minored in math.  and followed up
with a degree in engineering!  i also have a degree in theater arts, and
i can tell you that for every student who had trouble passing College Algebra,
i also knew a student who couldn't write a sentence with both a noun and
a verb in it.  i tutored in both subjects and taught high school in both
subjects and saw both boys and girls who were blown away by one or the other.

why does she have to say math is hard?  math is not any harder than
anything else.  what would everyone think if she said 'reading is hard'?

people are ashamed to admit that they cannot read, but say almost proudly
that they can't balance their checkbooks.  granted -- barbie is trivial.
the effect she has on children is probably no greater than the effect of
letting them play with toy guns (one that my husband and i agonized over
by the way).  but i don't accept the statement that math is hard.

wendy (no sig)


From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:56:59 GMT
Subject: Re: GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH & DEADBEAT DADS!!!!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.men

tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

> Terry "What about the MARROU/LORD ticket?  Why aren't they in the debates?" Wood

		< Imported from alt.politics.libertarian >

From delisle@eskimo.celestial.com Mon Oct 12 15:08:07 1992
Subject: [FWD]: LP Candidate barred from C-SPAN by police
Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc

* To: Release Distribution

NEWS RELEASE
St. Louis, Missouri

Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018

October 11, 1992
1:00 PM CST

                   LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
                     BARRED FROM C-SPAN INTERVIEW BY
                           ST. LOUIS POLICE

ST. LOUIS -- Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Andre Marrou, who
has been excluded from participation in the first Presidential Debates
tonight in St. Louis, today was barred by St. Louis Police from entering the
studio of C-SPAN for an 11:30 am interview and viewer call-in program.

Andre Marrou, who is on the ballot in all 50 states, had been scheduled to
appear on C-SPAN to discuss his exclusion from this evening's debates.  As
Marrou and C-SPAN interviewer Geoffrey Baum approached the C-SPAN
interview studio, they were blocked by St. Louis county police officers.  In
spite of Mr. Baum's verification of the scheduled interview, and in spite of
statements by a debate commission member that Mr. Marrou could be
permitted inside of the police lines, the police officers refused admission.

Hundreds of supporters of the Libertarian Party candidate have assembled
in St. Louis to protest Mr. Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  At 3:00
pm on campus, there will be a march demonstrating that Mr. Marrou is the
only candidate on the ballot in every state who will not be in this evening's
debate.  From 3:00 pm to 10:00 pm, Marrou supporters will demonstrate
outside the debate site at Washington University.

                                - END -

********************************************************************************
From delisle@eskimo.celestial.com Mon Oct 12 15:08:15 1992
Subject: [FWD]: Libertarian candidate arrested, beaten
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.elections

* To: Release Distribution

NEWS RELEASE
St. Louis, Missouri

Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018

October 11, 1992
4:30 PM CST

                  LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE ARRESTED, BEATEN


St. Louis -- Robert Stockhausen, District 3 Congressional Candidate of the
Libertarian Party, was arrested at approximately 4pm CST for taking
pictures of Marrou supporters from beyond a police line.

Nearly a dozen armed officers brutalized Mr. Stockhausen spraying him
with mace, kicking him and dragging him across the ground.

Stockhausen, a family man with a wife and five children, considers himself a
pacifist and did not resist.

Over two hundred supporters of Libertarian Presidential Candidate Andre
Marrou are participating in a demonstration in St. Louis to protest
Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  Marrou is on the ballot in all fifty
states DC and Guam.

                                - END -
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: CONDOMS! and AIDS
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:40:30 GMT

In article <Bw1q3s.Bsw.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
)
)I don't understand the mindset that is required to argue that
)people should not use any available protection.  
)It's easier to understand the denial in the "Hey, it's hard
)for het men to get HIV" mindset, as well as the misogyny in
)the "I'm sure not wearing a condom to protect my parter"
)types.  
)
)Susan

I think I see a small problem here.

If we generalize protection to 'both sides wearing full rubber scuba
suits', do you think your generalizations still apply?
Xref: sparky soc.men:17718 soc.women:17711 soc.couples:3935