chen.bgu.ac.il!ioffe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:54:35 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
: In article <1992Sep4.072539.3173@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: >>
: >
: >1809 Finland fell under a Russian administration after a
:
: Are you sure you have not missed 100 years. Knowing the way people
: they are teach in Finnish schools, you know :). Seriously am I wrong
: that Finland was taken from Sweden by Russia at the 1700's?
Dear Yury! I think (and advice you) you need to do a school course of
Russian history. You'll find there a lot of unknown facts which you
really don't know, but try to discuss. Please read some of books on
history and talk to us after. (BTW about first Finnish goverment too)
:
: >
: >>
: >I would like to ask how many years of peace Russia/SU has had during
:
: About same as Germany, France, England or Finland.
:
: >You seem to not know anuthing about Estonia.
: >The first free elected governemet in the area of former SU you
: >call faschist!!!??? I call that soviet propaganda
:
: Was not Hitler free elected? I am not saying that Estonian Goverement
: is fascist, I just saying that free election does not imply
: anything.
:
: >of the old style. It seems to be weel and kicking.
: >To mix into this even Hitler is more ridiculous.
: >
: >If the estonians try to clean the heritage of communist system =
: >nazi system or alike it called ethnic opression, faschism etc.
:
: If by cleaning heritage of communist system they mean cleaning away
: russians, with or without killing them I call it this.
:
: >What are the muslims expelling russians from Cenral Asia for you,
: >also nazis? For me this all is decolonialization process and
:
: They are, if they are.
:
: >a very normal and the most civilized way it is done until now
: >in Estonia where everything goes democratically, people are not
:
: When 70% of the state makes another 30% speak do what they want it is
: not called really democratic. Tell me what is the difference between
: democratic Estonia and totalitarian USSR? I'll tell you: in democratic
: Estonia you may say whatever you want, but you must become Estonian,
: in totalitarian USSR you may remain Estonian, but you should not tell
: that you want independence. Not that I'm saying that USSR was more
: democratic, just difference is less than you pretend (or maybe think).
:
: Here is one old joke: demonstration of workers on red Square, 2000.
: Chinese Abram saying to Chinese Sarah: "Slushai, a pri russkih-to
: luche bylo, schuritsja ne zastavljali."
:
: >>
: >Well  if you look closer  Europe the small countries can offer
: >the best standard of living for their citizens than big countries.
: >For example Iceland,Finland,Norway etc. you can see that the small size
: >seem to be also a factor for the hight standards.
:
: What do you think would happen to this small peacful countries if those
: big, armed, awfull empires were not there? I would think you would learn
: Coran by now. Or something different.
:
: Yury
:
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