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From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ignore  -  test
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:56:05 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Oct6.230106.16712@colorado.edu> laszlo@piper.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>
>all bicyclist should stay off the road. its for motorcycles.
>since we pay road taxes that they (bicyclist) aren't willing
>to. also there should be helemet laws for bicyclists
>
>laz

Witty - NAAT.

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"There ain't no Sanity Claus", Groucho Marx.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Rutgers (was: Re: Newbe Flamewars, was: MSF: BRC or ERC?)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:43:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.165433.3208@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:

[ stuff about Kretz vs. Merenda deleted ]

>These guys aren't worride about the not.police, obviously they have never
>heard that DoD is self policing ...  we get our own when necessary.

>Is anyone near Rutgers, that can take care of this little problem?

I occasionally ride thru the New Brunswick Campus on my way home from
work.

But, on my Gold Wing, if it had doors and windows, they'd be locked
and rolled up respectively!!

New Brunswick (Rutgers) not my first choice of riding routes!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Good Gear for good prices?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:46:52 GMT

labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:

>		Basically I am looking for a good mail order company that
>anyone out there has had good dealings with and knows they don't
>jerk you chain as it were. 

In the USA I presume? Chaparral, Competiton Accessories, Motorcycle
Accessory Warehouse and Dennis Kirk in decending order of $$$ spent over
the past few years. They've all got ads in the cycle magazines.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Who harasses whom? was (Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist)
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:01:44 GMT
Distribution: usa

spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:

>> bike, the guy apologizes profusely, and says the only other thing the 
>> dog has ever attacked is the vacuum cleaner.  Turns out the guy is a 

>Ahem... This begs the question: What kind of bike do you ride that sounds
>like a vacuum cleaner???? I can hear the Harley crowd chuckling now. :-)

Help me!!! I can't resist!!!! Nonononononono,

Whatever it is it must really *SUCK*!!!!

Bwahahahahahah!


(sorry)

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'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?
Keywords: careful
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:42:53 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia


  My helmet's first face shield got really scratched up.  When it came time to
shell out the bucks for a second one, I asked why.  Most of the abuse on the
shield came from my not taking care of it properly.  I'd leave it in the floor
board of my truck where it would bang around during stops.  I would carry it
with the shield rubbing against my jeans.  My next shield has lasted me a year
and is still nice and clear.  I've been careful in how I treat it, I'm more
careful washing bug spatterings off, keep it out of direct sun and generally
take better care of it.

ObMotoPlug:  I just got my new helmet (A Shoei Astra wh/lt bl/dr bl) in from 
Dennis Kirk yesterday.  I noticed in last month's Cycle World that Dennis Kirk
would beat anyone else's price by $1.  I called around, then called Dennis
Kirk and mentioned that I'd found the same helmet for $50 less than their list
price.  They charged me the lowest rate, minus the $1 and shipped out that
day.  I'll be calling them back next week for the Bieffe Pro boots I've been
looking at. 

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: the encyclopedia brittanica agrees: chains suck!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:23:03 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:

>>"Transmission is normally through chain or gearing between engine and
>>a two- to six-speed gearbox and then by primary chain to thea
>					 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   A primary chain connects engine to tranny, a secondary chain connects tranny
>   to rear wheel. 
What is the definition of "tranny"?  The primary chain connects the
crankshaft to the clutch drum (or at least it did in my A10).
-- 
--

David Maconochie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Harley Sportbikes
	<JET.92Oct16130439@boxer.nas.nasa.gov>
	<1992Oct16.214345.19851@news.vanderbilt.edu>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:44:51

"earutter" == Ethan Rutter <earutter@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> writes:
earutter> If only a "small number" of people wanted HD cruisers,
earutter> Harley wouldn't be controlling the over 750cc market.  You'd

It doesn't hurt that over 750cc insurance rates are outrageous unless
one owns at BMW or HD...  I've known plenty of folks who say "I can
afford a liter-bike, but I can't inford to insure a liter-bike."

earutter> It's not a question of technology.  We're dealing with
earutter>  a) style
earutter>  b) image
earutter>  c) personal taste.
           d) small genitals
           e) low self-esteem
           f) herd-instinct
           g) more money than sense

earutter> Quite a few folks like cruisers because of how they ride,
earutter> believe it or not. 

I do.  I looked at the low rider sport when I was shopping for a new
bike (bought an R100R).  The base price made me burst out giggling,
forget doing anything to make it look different, or for luggage
capacity, etc etc.  And the insurance would have been *much* higher
than on my liter-bike BMW.  (Not all of us are bald, pot-bellied,
married men over 40.)

earutter> On the other hand, I'd love to get my hands on a Buell.  The
earutter> combination of torque & handling must be great to ride.

Wouldn't we all.  I bought an R100R -- it's as close as I'll get, and
it's still comfortable for going on trips, to the store, etc etc.
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: counter-steering?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:38:54 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

egreen@east.sun.com writes:
+Don, mail to you bounces.  
+
+Ignore the 413 smartasses who are guaranteed to reply to this.
+
+ Here's what I tried to send...

Hook...

+   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+Connected to oclc.org:
+>>> RCPT To:<hur@oclc.org>
+<<< 550 <hur@oclc.org>... User unknown
+550 <hur@oclc.org>... User unknown
+
+   ----- Unsent message follows -----
+Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:15:28 EDT
+From: egreen@sunpix.East (Ed Green - Sun NC Development Center)
+Message-Id: <9210151415.AA28426@sunpix.East.Sun.COM>
+To: hur@oclc.org
+Subject: Re: counter-steering?

Line...
 
+How do motorcycles turn?
+         by Ed Green, a recognized non-expert in the field
+
+ ...155 lines of countersteering text deleted...

And Sinker!!

Stuff and mount that one, it's a real Keeper!!

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Post-tipover tips?
Keywords: cbr600f2
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:41:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>In article <1992Oct5.142048.19008@socrates.umd.edu> rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell) writes:
>>What kind of hidden dangers can lurk in a bike after it is tipped over on its

My Honda service manual says to service the crankcase breather drain when 
the motorcycle has been overturned.  I assume this means on its side, not
completely overturned. ;-)


-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of chaotic synapse firings|
|After being brutally pummeled about the head by a big mean          -   O    |
|biker, I can no longer be responsible for my rantings.                |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Bicycle vs motorcycle flame war, part XXXVII
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:05:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.211112.7675@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.164544.23348@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.215126.12439@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>>|Excellent flame.  I'm sure you burned some disk blocks with that one.
>>|Unfortunately, you missed my point.  Maybe I was too terse.  Let's
>>|try again:

>>  No, you were an idiot, jumping to conclusions. 

>No, you were an idiot.  And your original post reveals your feeling

>>  Strange, it seems I *did* tolerate the stupidities of the other road users.

>>I just publicly wondered about their intelligence, just as I am now publicly
>>wondering about yours...

etc, ad nauseum. 

Guys, could you either take this to email, or AT LEAST change the subject line
to something more appropriate, like "Re: Heat Loss from the Human Head"?

Oh, and have a nice (collective) day.

ObMoto: My bike's better than yours. Nyah!

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fdvlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Fort Davis VLBA site)
Subject: Re: From which side do you mount? (Centerstands anyone?)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:34:27 GMT


>Now that's an interesting question...who has a centerstand out there,
>and who has to figure out weird ways to get their wheels off?
>Do Harleys have centerstands?

Every Harley comes with a cinderblock, just ask the person that owns one:).

Do Other Bikes (tm) come with a cruise control?

Steve    Dealers of Derision #627
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DOG FOOD (was RE: Who harasses whom?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: all
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

JDR118@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Brice Dowaliby writes:
>>Of course, who know what the hell a dog hears?  I mean, they eat
>>dog food - does it taste different to them or does it taste
>>the same to them as it does to us and they enjoy it?
>
>Gee Brice, whats your favorite brand of dog food?  Perhaps we should start
>the Denizens of Dogfood and you could be the head taste tester!!!
>              It was just a thought.

Its "Devourer of Dogfood", not "Denizens"
Everyone knows milk bones are the best.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning into it
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:07:47 GMT
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design

In article <1bfcveINNs4c@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 22360@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:
|> 
|> >Doesn't everybody learn from a dirt bike first...
|> 
|> No.
|> 
Me neither, my first experience with dirt bikes was when I missed
a corner with a cafe racer...It was dirt. It was a bike.
Therefore, dirt-bike?

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= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:31:32 GMT

In <1992Oct7.001254.16372@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:

>In article <jlp.718387429@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
>> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>> >A young guy gets a Harley to make a fashion statement, with no idea of 
>> >how to ride, goes fast in a straight line, gets to a curve and what happens
>> >next?
>> 
>> He leans into the turn, cruises through it like he's on rails, and
>> continues on his merry way.

>Meanwhile, back at the curve, several spectators pass out from 
>from the sheer ecstasy of being witness to such an elemental
>exhibition of controlled coolnesss, seven observers of various 
>ages and sexes run down to the nearest Harley shop to place bike 
>orders, fourteen experienced motorcyclists grin knowingly at each 
>other, eight old-timer riders nod sagely and murmur, "Yep, that's the
>right sound, it sure is," four GWRRA members rush off in a frenzy
>to buy some more doo-dads for their land yachts, a helicopter appears
>overhead and the Swedish Bikini Parachute Team touches down and
>immediately begins kissing the still-warm tire marks left by the
>rumbling motorcycle, and somewhere down the road, the corners of the 
>FXRS-Convertible rider's mouth twitch upward into a serene,
>knowing smile, as rider and machine flow smoothly across the
>undulating two-lane strip toward the next waiting curve.


>Vrrroooom.

>Chuck Rogers
>car377@druhi.att.com

  I think you just captured the Harley mystique, or is that fantasy?
Whith all that admiration is it any wonder that they don't want to waste
it with the anonymity of a helmet.
                                  Jorg
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: BMW's (was Re: Crash and Burn.  Was Re: 80/81 CB750 s)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:48:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct15.200400.5899@elektro.cmhnet.org>,
root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) wrote:
> 
> I'm going to hate myself after this, but I can feel it coming on and I'll
> claim afterward that the devil made me do it ...
> 
> Need I suggest a BMW?  Sounds like you've got a systemic Honda problem.
> 

Actually, I'm going to look at and R90/6 tomorrow night.  Anything in
particular I should look for?  (it's a '76)

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>Monday October 12 1992 15:14, Brice Dowaliby wrote to All:
>
> >> a clip of 9mm into a drug-user and eventually said perpetrator bled to
> >> death, but not before beating shit out of police officer.
>
> BD> Does this belong in alt.folklore.urban?  I don't believe anyone,
> BD> PCP or not, beats the shit out of a cop after taking a *clip* of
> BD> 9mm (maybe, if the clip only had 1 bullet in it).
>
>Apparently you do not know as much as you think you do. It happened, whether
>you read the newspaper or not. Perhaps you've spent too much time reading
>alt.folklore.urban instead of newspapers and news magazines?

Thanks for the fine reference, John.  Now that *you've* said it
happened I'm supposed to believe it, right?

Any details, like when or where it happened?  
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Brocure info on 1993 Yamaha GTS1000A
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:15:51 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <marcl.719253414@os-d>, marcl@hela.isc-br.com writes:
> I have the official YAMAHA U.S.A. brocure for the 1993 GTS1000A (your local
> dealer should have one too).  It's rather lacking in details, but has 5
> photos and the following text: 
>
> You bought a VCR long before most people knew about them.  You had a CD
> player in your car when most folks hadn't purchased one for their house
> yet. Your friends often ask you "what's new?", not just to be polite, but
> because you know. 

oh, give me a break!  500 words of technobable and not one word
about how the bike *feels to ride*.  

ok, lets deconstruct this ad a bit.  notice any pattern?

>new GTS1000A -- the world's first 
>Advanced Sport
>revolutionary engineering
>new era in motorcycling -- the civilized sport machine. 
>radically new machine opens 
>the latest chapter in Genesis design, with
>concept. 
>outstanding handling, 
>enhanced suspension performance and
>unparalleled rider comfort. 
>new front suspension concept includes a 
>fully adjustable single shock,
>varying settings for preload, compression and rebound damping.  The
>massive, 6 opposed piston caliper front disk brake.  
>large concave radiator with not one, but 
>two fans to keep engine temperature constant. 
>full fairing design offers 
>excellent wind protection
>comfortable position on the 
>large plush seat.
>incredibly sophisticated instrumentation.
>electronic tachometer and speedometer.  Plus a 
>sophisticated ignition system with an 
>advanced anti-theft device. 
>unique look and engineering 
>marvels.  It delivers 
>exceptional handling.  It's
>comfortable. And obviously, it's 
>way ahead of it's time.  


-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what has this country come to (and aerostitch info request)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:53:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep26.013428.28720@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <2528@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>>label, yuppie poser SHIT! I don't want to pay $100 for a damn jean jacket, 
>
>Yeah, what he said.  Go to country stores in small towns.  I got mine for
>$48.  Levi plain vanilla style.  They are around, but you gotta look.

I picked up mine a couple of days ago at an Academy Surplus store in the heart
of Austin, Texas.  Hardly a country store.  $19.  :-).  

Later,
Kip Ingram
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Dead Battery Problem
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:31:19 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

2) Get a voltmeter. Set it to read 0-20 volts (or so). Put it across the
battery terminals. If it reads <12.5V, start thinking "new battery". 

3) Next start the engine (jump start). Remove jump cables. With engine
ticking over, the voltmeter should read 12.5-13V. Increase the revs slowly
to around 5,000rpm. As you increase the rpm, the voltmeter reading should
also increase to around 15.5V and then suddenly drop back to around 14V.  If
the voltmeter does not show all of these features, start thinking "new
regulator".

4) Assuming the regulator behaved itself, run at fast idle for 5 mins. Stop
the engine and retry the starter. (With voltmeter attached). scenario a) The
engine turns over fast and starts: battery may be OK, but go away for a
couple of hours and try again, still starts? Good.  
b) engine turns over but slowly, the battery is DEAD, replace it.
c) solenoid clicks but engine does not start: get a jump from a good
battery, still does not start?  then starter motor is bad.

5) If after a couple of hours the engine does not start, then you need to
check for a current leak from the battery by turning off the ignition,
remove voltmeter and set it to the 20 Amp range, remove the battery earth
lead (usually black, negative, - ve), connect one lead from the meter to the
battery terminal, and the other to the lead you have just removed: this way,
any current drawn will be through the battery. With the ignition off, there
should be NO current drawn (not even 10 mA).  Next, turn the ignition on,
and check that the total current drawn is around 6 A (assuming 5 A for the
headlight, and 1 A for tail light and other minor equipment).  If the
current readings are above the values given, then you have a short circuit
which will have to be dealt with.

DO NOT DRIVE WITH A DEFECTIVE BATTERY OR REGULATOR: at worst the batterym
can melt down and spray you with concentrated acid, at best you can lose
your electronics.
-- 
--

David Maconochie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:05:17 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

John Gelnaw (jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu) wrote:
: Now, when you drill the holes through the disc, you're doing something very
: important... you're increasing surface area.  The more surface area of the 
: disc that's exposed to the air, therefore you have more heat dissapation.

If you wanted to increase surface area you could do it more effectively
by just increasing the diameter of the disk slightly.  The most compelling
reasons I've heard for doze holes is that they give mud and debris a place
to be pushed into during braking and that they reduce unsprung weight on
the wheel.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.nycenet.edu
Manes and Associates/Commontech-NoHo		   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o