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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Where to buy DAT machines?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:11:10 GMT

In article <18k0luINNekp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, al672@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doksu Moon) writes:
|> 
|> I'm interested in buying a DAT player, but I seem to have a 
|> difficult time finding information on the machines themselves
|> and where to buy them.  I would be very happy if someone pointed
|> toward some resources so that I can start finding out about the
|> different models.  
|> 
|> I've heard very nice things about the Panasonic SV-3700.  Can
|> anyone tell me more about the machine, where they bou;
|> bought it and how much they paid for it.
|> 
|> Doksu Moon
|> al672@freenet-in-c.cwru.edu
|> -- 

I think we need a FAQ posting as the DAT question seems to be asked
weekly. There is a DAT digest (dat heads). The last one I got was in July,
here are the contacts listed:

    INTERNET: DAT-Heads-Request@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU
    BITNET:   DATH-Req@Virginia
    UUCP:     ...!uunet!virginia!dat-heads-request

You can also try:

skennedy@BBN.COM

The DAT heads have a FAQ with info on where to buy, what decks have which
features, etc..
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Jacked up CD prices again
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:39:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: enoughs enough


I read somewhere yesterday that the DC mougels have decided to, "take CDs to
the next price plateu".
They will start with, "Garth Brooks", gag me big time becasuse he is the biggest
sales producer currently.
We have got to stop these greedy scumsuckers from raping society with these
ridiculous price increases.
It is well known that CDs are far more cheaply produced than LPs were.
The price they were quoting seemed to be about $18.00.
What can we do?



Al



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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Universal Remotes
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:47:13 GMT

From what I have seen, there are 2 types of universal remotes.
One type is preprogrammed with codes for every brand and you
cycle through the internal list until you find the codes that control
your machine and then store that setting in the remote. This usually
known as a preprogrammed UR.

The other type requires you have the machines original remote.
You line up the remotes so that the original remote's signals
are transmitted and recorded into the universal remote. The recording
procedure is typically 'hit record on UR', 'press button to record
into on UR', 'press key on original remote to transmit code'. This is
usually known as a learning remote.

Both have different uses. The first type are especially useful if
you have no original remote (you stepped on it, lost it, etc.).
But I have found that the pre-preprogrammed codes don't cover every
possible device. Similarly , I have found that learning remotes
can have problems learning with certain brands (eg. Yamaha).

It would be nice if someone combined both types into one so that
you could cycle through the preprogrammed stuff and if you couldn't
find a match you could program your own.

 
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From: ssr@siberia.cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: FOR SALE: Perfect Audio Cables. $10,000,000.00
Originator: ssr@reddog
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:22:32 GMT

Zero resistance stranded Niobium wires sheathed in liquid helium.
20 Amps per channel max (before Meissner effect kicks in and makes
them high resistance wires).

$!0M.  WIll be custom built.   Length of each cable will NOT exceed
2 feet.  By appointment only.


-- 
Bapcha - A very bad boy from Cypress Semiconductor
3901 N.  First Strasse
San Jose,  CA 95134, 408-943-2719
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:28:42 EDT
From: David Neal <LORAX@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo TV to Stereo Causing a hummmmmmmm

I have the same problem.  It happened on my 26" Mitsubishi and on my new
Panasonic GAOO set.  It's not a ground loop with the cable either.  I tried
disconnecting the cable and that just raised the pitch of the hum a little.
I think it's being induced in the audio cables by the raster of the TV set.
My problem differs with yours in that my hum isn't affected by the volume
control.  I'm going to try using better audio cables.  Good luck.

david neal                                     lorax@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
Elk and Kanawha Rivers
Appalachia                                                    unless
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD pricing
Keywords: Lets take a look here
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:05:16 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <lb9rauINNf95@male.EBay.Sun.COM> checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Lets have a CD burning party !!!

They'll throw you in jail for that!  Environmental polution
from all the hydrocarbons, you know.


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Speaker suggestions
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 18:51:45 GMT

For < $1500 check out the KEFs  - I have the 103.4s and really like them.
Check Stereo Review and Audio magazine ads for places where you can get
KEF by mail order.
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Record player adjustments
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:22:38 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1992Sep14.184006.1187@muddcs.claremont.edu>, jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson) writes:
|> I just purchased a Technics turntable with no manual.  Being totally 
|> unfamiliar with record playback (beyond a Radio Shack player I had when I
|> was very young) I'm curious about two adjustments on the player.  
|> 
|> The first is the tone arm counterbalance.  How should the tonearm be balanced?

  This is called the tracking force. You make the adjustment AFTER mounting
the cartridge on the tone arm. This force varies depending on the cartridge
you're using. 1 or 2 grams is usually sufficient. If you hear distortion
at this tracking force, try increasing it by 0.5 grams until the distortion
stops. It should never have to be over 5 or 6 grams. This is the amount of
force that is applied to the record by the tip of the stylus. If the tone
arm doesn't have a dial on it that allows you to accurately measure out
the force, then adjust it till it balances, then increase the force
a little bit and test the quality of the sound with a record (not a prized
record since playing an album with too much or too little tracking force
can damage it).

|> The other is "anti-skate".  Right now, it's set to zero.  What does this do,
|> and how should I adjust it?  I've pretty much figured the rest out.

  When a turntable plays a record, the tone arm tends to apply more force
on the inner groove of the record due to the mechanics of the system. This
is called "skating" - a tendancy for the tone arm to skate toward the middle
of the album as its tracking a groove. This is countered by applying an
equal force in the opposite direction so that the stylus applies the same
amount of force to both grooves. The correction is the antiskating force.
It also varies with cartridges and tone arms. Making the antiskating force
about the same as the tracking force is pretty safe, but often the antiskating
is greater than the tracking force.

|> Lastly, I currently have the ground wire connected to my amp chassis, and the
|> amp doesn't have a 3-way plug.  Will that work, or should I find a "true"
|> ground?

   If your amp has a phono ground post, use that. If there is a lot of hum
when you select the turntable as the source, then you may want to try other
grounds.

|> 							John Stimson

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro
From: CZGS <CZGS@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Cassette 4-track
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:27:11 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a cassette 4-track mini-studio. If
you have one for sale, or just some information on these units,
could you EMAIL me, and I'll pass on the information. Thanks.
Geoff Martin
czgs@musica.mcgill.ca
From: cyf@drutx.ATT.COM (Charlie Farwell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo TV to Stereo Causing a hummmmmmmm
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:02:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver

in article <1992Sep10.210948.1748@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) says:
> 
> You don't mention it - but I'll bet you are hooked to cable for your TV.
> At any rate you have a ground loop.  The TV is connected to the cable,
> 

	Definately a ground loop. However, there is an easier solution I
	haven't seen anybody suggest yet. Simply disconnect your stereo
	ground connection (probably the little wire running to the screw
	in the middle of the outlet, right?), and let the cable provide
	the ground for your tv as well as your stereo.

cyf@druco.att.com
From: al672@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doksu Moon)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Where to buy DAT machines?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:05:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm interested in buying a DAT player, but I seem to have a 
difficult time finding information on the machines themselves
and where to buy them.  I would be very happy if someone pointed
toward some resources so that I can start finding out about the
different models.  

I've heard very nice things about the Panasonic SV-3700.  Can
anyone tell me more about the machine, where they bou;
bought it and how much they paid for it.

Doksu Moon
al672@freenet-in-c.cwru.edu
-- 
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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:30:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.000119.26345@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:
>So it is, Seth, to abuse someone without reading their post. ( I do it too.)
>Read the 2nd para.
I did indeed misread the 2nd paragraph, interpreting it to mean any
arbitrary person doing the listening - I apologize for the misunderstanding
and the flame - I was confusing you with some other r.a posters :-).
The tough part is - who decides what circumstances, the manufacturer or
some consumer protection agency (like the one in NYC which wants to make
it automatic fraud to sell high-end cables).
>I said that the makers rep has to be able to HEAR the difference. That is,
>I ask only that there be ONE PERSON in the whole world who can reliably
>HEAR the difference.
Even Stereo Review reliably got differences in a double blind test, and
that was with Monster Cable, which is pretty awful :-).
>And remember that wine judges test blind: they don't see the labels before
>they taste, sunshine. So is it outrageous to ask someone to hear a cable
>without seeing it?
Not at all, I'm working on a DB test for interconnects, its a bit
non-trivial to set up, though.
>Also, MSA on wine DOES reveal differences.
The last I heard, no qualitative differences could be obtained by such
methods (which is "better").  Has anything new been published?

-- 
Seth J. Bradley, Senior System Administrator, Intel SCIC
Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
----------------------------------------
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: st_waldman@zodiac.dsto.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Looking for good preamplifier
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:42:34 GMT
Organization: D.S.T.O. Aeronautical Research Laboratory

Hi,

I have been considering the purchase of a Rotel preamp/tuner. The combined
preamp/tuner does seem to be a good performer, and is not too expensive.
The folks at Intersound in Melbourne were able to demonstrate the
unit for me, and I also had a listen to the ME preamp for comparison
purposes. The ME seemed to be a bit better with a warmer yet more
detailed sound quality. However, it was considerably more expensive,
and a preamp and tuner would be about double the price of the Rotel.

There is a NAD Model 1700 preamp/tuner that is available for about
$995 at Tivoli Hi-Fi. This also has remote control, as well as
defeatable graphic equalizer that works in two bands with selectable
centre frequencies. This is an unusual feature, but seems to work 
quite well in some situations. The NAD 1700 got a good review in the
US magazine Stereo Review in June 1988. This is a long time ago, and
since the NAD is a good preamp, I am wondering what will replace it.
Maybe the styling will be improved, as it could definitely do with
a face-lift. Can anyone shed some light on what NAD might be offering
in the near future?

While at Tivoli Hi-Fi, I also had a listen to the Hafler Model 945 tuner/
preamp. It sounded quite good, and there was not really any difference
in sound quality that a short listen could show up. The price if the 
Hafler preamp/tuner is $1500, which is quite high. Also, there is only
a 1-year warranty, which is a bit of a worry. Any comments on the 
performance of the Hafler preamp/tuner welcome.

Also, I  visted Secher Audio, and they had a tuner/preamp called the
Parasound C/PT-1000R. It seems like a very nice unit, and the preamp
stages uses discrete FETs, and high quality resistors. Unfortunately
this was not available for audition at the time. Price is around $1350,
which puts it in the upper envelope of my budget. Supposedly the
Parasound company is a lower-cost version of Levinson equipment, 
designed by John Curl for the lower end of the high-end equipment
market. The warranty is 3-years, which is quite good, assuming the
local importer is still around if things go wrong.

Has anyone any comments on the Parasound preamp tuner? What is the price 
in the USA, so that I can compare value for money? Are there any real
sonic benefits to the use of FETs? If anything, the Parasound preamp/
tuner has got a poorer noise performance than the Rotel, and much
worse than the NAD. Seems to be a waste partnering a high S/N ratio
CD player with a preamp whose noise specs are not as good.

There are also preamps (only) from Denon and Yamaha that are available
here, as well as from Onkyo. What sort of performance can I expect
from them?

Any comments are welcome.

Witold Waldman

WITOLD@HOTBLK.DSTO.GOV.AU
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Portable record players (Was Re: Sony's CD advertising)
X-Xxdate: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:00:03 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.183912.8333@portal.vpharm.com> David A. Pearlman,
dap@portal.vpharm.com writes:
>On the subject of portable record players, do people remember the
>Sony record "walkmen" that they made briefly in the early '80's? Did
>anyone ever actually buy one? 

I acquired one from the Federated Group 8 or 9 years ago when my dad
bought a whole bunch of stuff.  (They gave it to him free and had no use
for it.)  I can't quite remember the manufacturer (it wasn't Sony), but
it was called "Mister Disc".  It was great for me at the time since it
was small and would fit into my college apartment room easily.  It was
portable in the sense that it could run on batteries, was very small,
included a soft carrying case and had a headphone/volume jack.  It had no
special features to allow it to be used while in motion.  It was
basically a record player with a very small platter (about 4" across). 
Once I got the tone arm adjusted - it had both weight and anti-skate
controls - and replaced the cartridge with a better one it sounded pretty
good.  

It matched up well with my small portable stereo and in later years
complemented my setup's portable CD system.  A complete stereo system in
a desk drawer!  (It should be noted, however, that I don't use it any
longer out of respect to my beloved vinyl LPs.)
-----------------------------------
email: Brady_David@Tandem.Com

Remember, David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
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From: ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny C. )
Subject: Re: Bose AM-7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:31:59 GMT

Just my .02 cents worth ( I have a pair of Bose... just to defend my position)
Keep in mind the saying "All high's - No lows - that's Bose"

(yes, I'm getting rid of my 4.2's for a set of B&W's with a Velodyne - which,
BTW costs about $850 altogether- LESS than the Bose AM-7's!!)

again, just my 2 cents

Manny

-- 
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NREMT-A, CPR - Instructor  American Red Cross|  you're making other plans.
University Of Illinois @ Urbana - Champaign  |      
Illini Emergency Medical Services            |    ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: surround speakers
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:46:42 GMT

I reccomended the Cambridge speakers to my sister who had been considering
the Bose (AM-5 I think). She really likes her Cambridge speakers and
found them to be better sounding than the Bose. According to the ads,
Cambridge would allow you to try them at home for 30 days and if you didn't
like them you could return them. They have gotten excellent reviews - ask
for their product info and they'll send you copies of the reviews.
From: rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb (Robert Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony's CD advertising
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:42:53 GMT
	<1992Sep11.135709.3716@bristol.ac.uk>
Reply-To: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland


In article <1992Sep11.135709.3716@bristol.ac.uk> smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

   [some lines deleted]

   The hypothesis continues along lines that so many people will do this
   that neither MD nor DCC will catch on in the home consumer market, at
   which point Sony and Philips will bring out the format they've got
   hidden up their sleeves just now, CD-R (recordable CD) at 'normal home'
   rather than 'esoteric professional' price levels.

   Sounds possible to me, and wouldn't surprise me if it happens that
   way.  If either MD or DCC does catch on, my bet would be on DCC, for
   reasons of (semi-)compatibility.  50% of the music sold in the UK is on
   prerecorded cassettes (CC), which would seem to imply that there are a
   lot of people out there with large CC libraries.  My guess is that
   being able to play these will give DCC an edge, regardless of the
   comparative technical merits of the formats.  

This is not quite all the story. Although most sales are still on
compact cassette it is thought that people buy them on impulse because
they are cheap and convenient;
they are only UK$ 7 against the UK$ 12 of CDs and there are players
for home, car and jogging.

Although DCC may be just as convenient, as long as you don't touch the
record buttons, the price of DCCs are likely to be the same as for
CDs. This means people will consider before they buy and impulse
buying goes out the window.
This may mean that recording sales will reduce.
Retailers would rather see a format that has the quality of digital
but the cheapness of CC.
And maybe the public would too.

   Easier to convince your non-hifi partner to let you upgrade a box, than
   to convince them to let you add yet another box to that stack that's
   already taking up half the living room.  And remember, if someone does
   base their music system largely around CCs, that carries a strong
   implication that they are probably more concerned about convenience
   than about absolute sound quality.  The technical merits are, in my
   guess, not even going to be an issue for most of these people.

It's impossible to predict what's going to happen.
There are so many factors such as whether the machines will be shipped
on time, any faults will be found in the recording format,
how easy the machines are to operate (most digital recording
machines seem harder to use than a video recorder), the price
of the software and lastly the RECESSION.






--
Rob Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jlt@cray.com (John Tverdik)
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:37:36 CDT

In article <7490222@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> Do expensive cables really make a difference?
>
I don't mean to try to refute your contention that some intend to make gobs of
money off their products.  I do, though, say that I can hear differences in
cables when using the same associated equipment and switching cables in and
out of the system. I don't know why, it's just the case.  The dealer I freq-
uent the most is skeptical of the cost of cables too, but we test cables all
the time and hear differences.  Their opinion, and I concur, is that our 
experience tells us that of all the different cables we've listened to, there
are some that seem to justify their price; the respective prices of these  
cables being much lower than some of the others we've auditioned.  

I usually listen to cables in their best system and then audition them at home.
The results favoring one cable over the other may change depending on which
system they are installed in, but I do still hear differences and sometimes the differences are dramatic.
>
>Contrary opinions will no doubt be posted.  If so, folks, at least please
>bring some new reasons.
>
I hear differences.  Maybe not a new reason, but it's still the case.

John Tverdik
Cray Research, Inc., c/o Minnesota Supercomputer Center, 1200 Washington Avenue
South, Minneapolis, MN. 55121
email: jlt@sequoia.cray.com OR jlt@uc.msc.edu
phone: 612/626-1354
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ascheng@athena.mit.edu (Adelbert S Cheng)
Subject: Re: BEST TYPE OF CD CHANGER?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:34:22 GMT

I have been following the discussion about the Nakamichi MusicBank system
and I was curious about one thing: how does the access time from disk to
disk compare with the carousel and cartridge systems?  That is, does it
take a short or long time to switch from one disk to another with the
MusicBank.

I own a Sony carousel player and I am quite pleased with that.  I find
it far superior to the cartridge systems because of the comparative ease
of loading both single and multiple disks.  Of course, it's five disks
instead of six, but five's enough for me!

Anyways, I'd like to hear more about the MusicBank...

A. S. (Ed) Cheng
ascheng@athena.mit.edu
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <19197kINNh6@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:

> I have seen this mentioned before.  Just how can a well designed
> double blind experiment using a two alternative forced choice
> procedure "reduce" your sensitivity?

Easy -- if you don't know what the choices are, you will have a
much harder time picking the one that fits your preconceptions.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
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