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From: fall266@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: deportation
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:11:47 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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 I am surprised to see some people defanding the action of deportation,
how can you do that?
What is the homeland? by any defination palastine is not the home land of jews 
of russia etc.. because niether they are born their even their ancestors were
not born their.  Jews migrated from the opprssion of feroh they were given refuge in palastine.   I tell you now no one will give any refuge to any jew any were because they have no respect for those people who have been protecting them.
These jews are arrogent, shamless and selfish.
what about the eight year old girl which was killed by the I.army.  Belive me 
I dont think they are even care for the people whom they are causing trouble.
I want to tell all jews think If moses(pbuh) would be amoung you what he 
would have done?  He would have fight against you, As he fought against feroh.
If you belive that you are chosen people then let me tell you you are not 
chosen for destiny.  Israel is doing every thing which feroh did or hitler did.
What is the difference btw hitler, feroh or I.goverment every body who support such a behaviour will be destent with those.  

It is shameful to occupy a land and to bring people from all over but to 
not give the right to those people who are living in the neighbour hoods.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals should be allowed into the military
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.215746.3820@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.211939.23493@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>|> > >     Gays are just like you and me.  Why discriminate against them?
>|> > 
>|> > Gays are not just like you and me, ...
>|> 
>|> You may say, "Gays are not just like me," but unless you know "Mr. Spock"'s
>|> sexual orientation, the statement "Gays are not just like you" is risky
>|> at best.
>
>Syntactically, you may have a leg to stand on, but semantically, the phrase
>"gays are just like you and me" implies that neither "you" nor "me" are gay.
>
>While I'm in this thread, may I implore that it be moved to a more appropriate
>newsgroup?  The question of whether gays should be allowed in the military has
>nothing to do with Judaism.  And besides, this group has enough of it's *own*
>homosexuality flame wars - we don't need other groups' flame wars as well!

I think it does have something to do with Judaism. I assumed that the
person that wrote the original article wanted to see the Jewish
prospective on this issue. Although{w your request does make sense.

Thanks,
Dima
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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:45:49
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: horen@netcom.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.235200.15100@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:

   In article <1992Dec22.214825.8101@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
   >In article <1992Dec22.204652.25417@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com
   >(Maddi Hausmann) writes:
   >
   >>>Sam, you're going schnozz to schnozz with a professional here...
   >
   >>Oh, go ahead and snout it out.  
   >
   >This may be the bridge between our views on Judaism.  It's probably the
   >only one we could both sniff out that we'd agree makes scents.

   On the odor hand...

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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: deportation
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:54:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.163010.19700@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org
(Alan Stein) writes:
> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
> 
> >>	Jews come from that land.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
> >>invasions.
> 
> >Where were the jews when Arabs invaded palestine?  Did the Arabs
> >also invade Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and Lebanon?
> 
> The Jews had been deported.  Unfortunately, there was no UN around to
> condemn either the Babylonians or the Romans.  (Of course, if there
> was a UN, it probably would have condemned the Jews for being weak
> enough to lose a war.)

There was a Persian empire, however, whose Shah released the Jews from
the Babylonians and gave money to rebuild the temple at Jerusalem. The
Persian Empire could be described as a "united nations" of sorts. The
policy of the empire was that all nations were to be incorporated with
at least some respect for their various cultures. 

> 
> >>	Correct.  "palestine?" does not exist.  It never has.
> 
> >Does that mean the "palestine" in the bible was a fiction?
> 
> There is no "Palestine" in the bible.  There's Canaan, there's Israel,
> but the name Palestine was given to Eretz Yisrael as part of the Roman
> policy of ethnic cleansing, as they tried to wipe Eretz Yisrael of any
> trace of Jewish civilization.
> -- 
> Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:29:48 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan1.210443.3172@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>In article <4807@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

	David Makowsky wrote:
	There never was any kind of a State of "plaestine?"!  How often
	does this have to be repeated?

># When we take the cotton out of our ears and you start speaking
audibly, David.
 
>	So you admit you are intentionally blocking the truth from
>yourselves.

No, I don't admit that at all.  But you are right.  There never did exist
a State of "plaestine".  It was always referred to as Palestine.  So,
when you start speaking clearly, we will be more receptive to listening.
 
Anisa

	"We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
	Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
					Hanan Ashrawi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.212407.121@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>     A medical doctor and a president of the medical circle in
>>     the Islamic university at Gaza.
>
>As a doctor, *I'm* appalled that there could be doctors who belong to Hamas
>which as an organization has sworn itself to kill Jewish civilians, men, women
>and children.

Sorry but there are also doctors in the JDL, Temple faithful, and many other
Jewish extremist organizations who advocate killing all Arabs or expelling
them. Your list also includes RABBIS (one of them killed an innocent  Arab
merchant and only spent few months in jail before getting out on the
shoulders of cheering Israelis). Does that make you appalled? Do you support
the deportation of the temple faithful, and the Kahane Jr. group? I doubt
it, since killing Jews is a much bigger atrocity than killing "Arabs who
are animals, grasshoppers, roaches, terrorists, subhuman" after all they
enjoy every murder including theirs.
>
>Haven't you ever read of the medical "experiments" carried out by German
>physicians in Nazi concentration camps ? Doctors like: Dr. Karl Brandt, Dr.

... Yeah, the Palestinians are now compared to the RULING NAZIS. Of course,
they are the Goliath that is threatening the little Israeli David.
Excuse the sarcasm, but I can't help it.. It is plain ridiculous, especially
After the complaints posted lately against any comparison with the Nazis.

>
>
>So just because these members of Hamas happen to have an M.D. doesn't indicate
>what type of human beings they are.
>

O.K, Now to the real issues:
1)Prove that the 415 Palestinians are members of Hamess
2)Prove that they were involved in the killing of innocents,
3)Prove that the kidnapping is supported by all members of Hamess
4)prove that all of them live in a territory that is recognized  
internationally as part of Israel.

Unless you prove all of the above (in a fair trial of course), you have no
right to defend the deportations.
As you finish celebrating Hannukah, I think you should appreciate that
the Palestinians are waiting for the day they will celebrate their own
Hannukah. When you celebrate freedom from oppression, maybe you should
consider the others' right of freedom from oppression.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 27 Dec 1992 03:02:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) says:

>Excellent.  You have shown that one can be both a professional and a
>terrorist.  Does being a professional excuse one from the consequences
>of being a terrorist as well?
>-- 
>Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
>

What I have shown is how ugly some jews are.  And just
to keep it for the record, no body of these deportees was convicted  
to be a member of Hamas.  

How is it possible to convict 418 people in less than hour?  They must have
super computerized-brain judges who can convict 1000 criminals/hour!
  
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:04:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec31.234107.4527@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>
>	There never was any kind of a State of "plaestine?"!  How often
>does this have to be repeated?

When we take the cotton out of our ears and you start speaking
audibly, David.

Anisa

"Glad to see that we're debating with sensible fanatics here."
					Alan H. Stein
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Assembly line
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:58:13 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Dec22.174104.2165@nynexst.com> schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:


>Lest we forget the apocryphal story of the mitzvah tank that parked in
>front of Yeshiva University on Succot, then sat empty for hours, 
>for incomprehensible reasons.  :-)

>Finally, one guy went in.  He allowed the tank commander to explain
>the lulav and etrog, and show him how to hold them.  Then he made 
>the bracha:

>   "Baruch atah hashem, elokeinu melech ha'olam, borei p'ree ha'etz."

>And before they could react, he took a big bite of the etrog.

>[ Explanation:  Rather than pronounce the blessing for 
>  lifting the lulav, the wiseguy said the blessing for eating fruit. ]

I don't know what they could have done even if they _did_ have time to
react, unless they had another fruit handy.  Wouldn't want him to make
a bracha l'vatala!    |
                     [|:-)
                      |
 

-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)
Subject: Re: Ascii Chanukahbols?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:03:05 GMT

re you kidding.  All Litvoks eat sour cream.  It takes a real man to eat a 
latke with sour cream.  Apple sauce is for sissys. Bah Humbug (Is that right for
 Chanuah.  Anyway why now, except latkes are wonderful anytime.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Feld Fraud?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:02:46 GMT


IF this is a fraud, anonymous notes don't mean a thing.

David
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:21:32 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars

Additions:

Peter Himelman (Bob Dylan's son-in-law and a traditionally observant
Jew whose lyrics contain significant Jewish/spiritual content)

Arlo Guthrie (his mom is Jewish and he was prepared for Bar Mitzvah by the
late departed rabbi about whom many debated on this net not long ago)

Warren Zevon (his cousin is my father's cardiologist)

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Secular??? (was: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?)
Date: 23 Dec 92 09:19:37 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <765333d8151344t199@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:

>  Anybody care to comment on the trend to throw in a token Jewish
>  reference (saw a commercial tonight with several Xmas scenes and
>  one kid lighting Hannukah candles -- w/o kippa -- and then closing
>  with a "Happy Holidays")?

>  It seems that the schools are trying to duck the charge of Xian
>  religious content by adding whatever other ingredients they figure
>  will 'balance' things out.  So far, I haven't had much luck
>  explaining that we don't feel left out, we just want to be left
>  alone.

Perhaps the strangest example I've seen was in the Vancouver Sun today:

    "Literally half of my students aren't Christian," said A.E. Perry
    [elementary school] teacher Dyanne Sharp.  So her Grade 4 class
    are singing a song about Hannukah during the school's Christmas
    concert.

The school in question is in Kamloops, BC, which has practically no
Jewish population.  The non-Christian half of the class would, I
presume, be Sikh, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.  Probably not a single Jew
among them.  So they stick in a reference to Hannukah and call
themselves multicultural.

-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Subject: Re: Jewish Charities
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:57:33 GMT
Keywords: disgusting

In article <1992Dec29.182040.5493@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>While on this subject, I have a related question about Jewish charities.  I 
>get an awful lot of letters in the mail asking for tzedakah.  (I sent out
>*seventeen* checks last night from ones received in the last few weeks!) Some 

>Does anyone have a list of *discredited* alleged Jewish charities?  If so,
>it would seem very important, as to even override the usual worries of lashon 
>hara, that the list be publicized - i.e., posted.  It would be nice to help
>prevent people from throwing away money that they'd otherwise give to a 
>legitimate charity.

My favorite in this regard are a group of charities that send you a
book in the mail with a letter signed by "The Committie" (I think I
remember the mis-spelling correctly). I've come accross at least three
"different" such charities, different names, addresses etc. but the
same mis-spelling and same tactics. They tell you to donate at least
say $36 to cover the cost of the book. When you ignore them, they keep
sending you reminder cards. The most recent was one called "Ness
Chanuka". I'm putting together a nasty letter to send back to them.

Avi Feldblum
feldblum@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Feld Fraud?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:49:27 GMT


Hillel Markowitz quotes some anonymous messages we've read before,
claiming the Felds are shackled hand and foot.

Those messages were the basis for the doubt that's arisen. So was
another message claiming they've been shackled in this way for
a month, and thus unable to lay tefillin.

Anonymous, unattributed messasges don't prove anything. Those familiar
with jails  and jail practice in California find the claims simply
not credible. That's raised questions about the whole affair.

Repeating the messages that gave rise to the suspicion as
evidence to refute the suspicion doesn't quite cut it.

I've put in a call to Palo Alto Chabad, and expect to have the facts
first-hand soon.

David
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:00:02 GMT

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

> In article <3108@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
> 
> # I believe that I understand David Makowsky to mean that there is
> # nothing wrong with Binyamin Kahane saying
>  
> #  "As far as I'm concerned, kill any Arab who stands in our way, in the
> #  most humame manner possible, causing the least suffering."
>  
> 	Well, he has controled himself.  As to counseling, perhaps you are
> correct.  Perhpas not. But either way, there is nothing wrong with
> what he said.
-----
Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the idea of killing 
people you are opposed to or that there is nothing wrong with expressing 
your views, even if they are unpopular because the free marketplace of 
ideas must remain free for all ideas?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: scruggs@zeus.franklin.edu (Kevin Scruggs)
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Summary: Battling Atheists
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.232115.21592@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes: >
>madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >>
>shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes: >>>
>
>>The issue is not _whether_ you studied, but _how much_.  Very few
>>people who have studied Judaism intensely (i.e., spending many
>>years studying and practicing intensely) turn away.  Similarly,
>>very few people who study atheism intensely (i.e., spending many
>>years studying and practicing intensely) turn away from atheism.
>
>Um, one does not study atheism intensely, not does one "practice"
>atheism extensively.  This is why I later corrected you about
>your treating atheism as a religion.  It isn't.  It's an
>lack of belief due to lack of supporting evidence, 
>not a belief that something doesn't exist.
	WRONG. Some variants of atheism do in fact assert the non-
existence of deity(ies). You really should read your FAQ Maddi.

	Those who assert are strong atheists; those closer to
agnostic are called weak atheists. 

>
>As to studying/practicing Judaism intensively, might I suggest
>that this can apply to any religion, not just Judaism?  Thus it
>isn't an argument for Judaism's rightness, merely proof that
>it is successful at indoctrination, since other religions exist
>with the same results for those who study/practice heavily,
>and these religions have different conclusions that Judaism.
>
>
>-- 
>Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
>Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.
>
>Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Venison
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:38:29 GMT

In article <765332d4036853t195@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions"
<dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:

>Sheesh!  No sooner does the "Oral Sex" thread die than
>someone asks about eating his deer.

>Kosher venison isn't all that hard to get if you have the doe.

It's available, but is costs a lot of bucks.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Talmud on determining sex
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:19:52 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Dec24.195634.978@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>My orthodox Grandfather (O"H) told my father who told me that according
>to the Talmud if the woman has an orgasm first the child will be
>a boy.
>
>My father told it to me as an illustration of the importance Judaism
>places on the sexual satisfaction of the wife.

I always wondered, how to check this theory ( maybe it is an
agodah after all, or it's purpose is to make people work harder
to satisfy their wives (-:).
And it may work only in mikva-visiting families, after all...

I dont think, that making questionarries would be appropriate
because of the tzniut, but maybe some secondary data can help...

For example, (from my extremely limited knowledge of biology, and
point of view of unmarried 28y.old), if Talmud story is statistically
significant, then more daughters should be born first, and sons
later (hm, I just visited rabbi with 5 daughters first, and four
sons after that).

Herman, do you hear me? Put on you statistician's hat!
What about biologists?!
Let's solve it...

Simon Streltsov,
Boston University

"If you go on the road and come to a fork -
Take it!"


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