HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: strange radar gun in Ohio
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:39:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.134058.16142@hubcap.clemson.edu>, ferrari@hubcap.clemson.edu (scott stevenson) writes:
> 
> I was travelling south on I-475 and the Passport started giving me a
> K-band alert.  I started looking for a smokey, but only found a screen
> that posts how fast you are going.  Is this the infamous Ka/photo radar?
> I have never seen anything like this in S.C., who prides itself on the
> number of tickets the highway patrol can give out in a month.
> 
> Scott

No.  The OHP have maintained a similar set-up for years on the Ohio
Turnpike west of Toledo.  There is a sign stretching across each of the
east and west bound lanes that displays your speed in lights.  The last time
I was through there, about 12 years ago, there was a stationary X band emitter
on each side of the road.


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From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Subject: Auto Politics
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:33:19 GMT


Do you realize that if Slick Willie gets elected,
JILL CLAYBOURNE will be dictator of cars!

She still believes in the 1,000 mile per gallon carburator!

Jefff
Who hates to vote for Bush, Buttttttttt
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:49:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <SYNTH.92Jul22171304@deepthought.unm.edu>

Open the driver's door. On either the door's edge itself or the door jamb
near the locking mechanism will be a sticker or a riveted plate which
should give the month/year in which that car was made. It's illegal
to remove this sticker or plate, unless the car is a pillow in which
case you can tear it off. :)
From: koustubh@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Koustubh Jha)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Novice Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:48:30 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


  What is the difference between a sunroof and a moonroof ?


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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: MITSUBISHIS IN USA
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

  Yeah, we have Mitsubishi's over here in the U.S.  The V3000 that you
are talking about is called the  <3000GT>  here in the states.  It's
powered by a 3.0 liter DOHC V6 that develops 300h.p. @ 6000rpm.  It
comes in  three models, the VR4 (300h.p.), the SL (222 h.p.), and the
base model (same as SL without ECS, ABS, and Aero Kit. It's a
pretty popular car in the U.S. as are some other models such as the
Eclipse.  We also have the Galant, Diamante, Mirage, Montero, and the
Expo.

Erich Lim
  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                                                                                                   
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Steam Clean Engine
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:43:56 GMT

seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.221610.211@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>>Took the Camaro in for an oil change today..and they guy rec. an
>>engine steam clean (it was sorta hanus..the engine was literaly
>>DIRTY)...so I had it done...looks great!

>I've heard this is a no-no if you've got fule injection.  The heat can destroy
>sensors etc...  I generally go to a car wash and use the foaming engine cleaner.
>Take a book, do it when there's not a lot of traffic and let it sit for a while.
>Then spray it off with those nice sprayers they have there.

I hear the foam eats your sensors! But they guy who did the car for us
told me where he was going to spray and not spay..he knew where all the 
sensors and stuff are..(such stuff as the distrib.)
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SATURN VS SENTRA
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:41:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <22697@oasys.dt.navy.mil> valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(Joseph Valdesuso) writes:
>piece of sh*t.

(meaning the Sentra?)

>    34000 m   - exhaust rusts
>    63000 m  exhaust rusts out again
>    105000 - exhaust rusts out again

Exhaust rust is caused by mostly one thing- "babying" the car. If you don't
push it hard every once in a while, you'll never get the exh. temp up enough
to get the water from ignition out of the pipes.

Me? I never get exh rust. They usually go from "clearance problems" or
heat fatigue.... :-)

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Strange Sales Approach at Saturn
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: net 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:53:44 GMT

In <1992Jul16.195446.2022@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:

>In article <1992Jul16.180342.22428@crd.ge.com> foggh@sargon.crd.ge.com (H.W. Fogg) writes:
>>As far as I know, there is nothing keeping the Saturn dealers from
>>discounting.....
>>EXCEPT.... the very low differential between the dealer cost and the
>>sticker price.
>>
>>Instead of building in a lot of "sky" or bargaining room into the sticker price
>>the sticker price represents a "reasonable" profit for the dealer. Any
>>dealer that
>>discounts a Saturn very much probably won't stay in business for very long.
>>

>earth to dupe, earth to dupe, wake up and get out of the FOGG.....
>saturn has a 14% markup.  they are making more than a fair profit.  in general
>you can get a car for about 2-4% over dealer cost and they can get by on
>that just fine.  

Hey friend, do yourself a favor, don't ever, ever go into business for
yourself. Two to four percent over cost? That's the gross, now take out
overhead, property taxes, sales commissions, (forget income taxes, you
aren't making any income :-\).

>don't get me wrong...i love the saturn sc, and i would buy one instantly if
>i could get them to sell one at 3% over invoice...but since they won't 
>deal and other makers will...i can get a car stickered at more than saturn
>and pay less once they bargain.
>of course...many foreign cars have 14-16% markup and have been making that
>profit for years....

Not to mention the markup on parts. My Probe (MX-6) threw a plastic wheel
cover. Asked my dealer if he stocked them and he said no, and even if he
did I wouldn't buy one. When I asked why he said 'would you pay $118.60
for a plastic wheelcover?'. I presume Ford gets all Probe parts from
Mazda and flows them through, probably with a handling charge - say 2%.

In our area, King Saturn has had such good response to the sales
approach at the Saturn dealership, they are applying it to their
other dealerships (Pontiac, Mercury-Lincoln, and some others I forget).

REB

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: 300Z vs. M3
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:29:40 GMT

i'm seeing some unfair cheap shots at some japanese manufacturers about
lack of tradition; it is true that most japanese auto companies are
effectively post wwii in origin, but certainly i wouldn't critique
them for lack of competition history.  no, they haven't every won an
mille miglia or a targa florio, but that's been rather difficult to
do of late.  just keep in mind that Honda went into F1 in the 60s, and
has stuck there for a long time, and that there was a guy named Brock
who used to race something called a `screaming yellow zonker'.  also,
keep in mind that between the great bmw 328 of the 30s and the impressive
cars of today, BMW made the Isetta and the 700.

so let's keep some perspective here, people.

cheers,
  richard
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From: todd_o'connor@taligent.com (Todd O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:32:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Taligent, Inc.


In all the discussions I've been reading I haven't seen too many people state
that they use synthetics let alone something other than Mobil 1. Yes in isolated cases
there have been Amsoil responses, which is what I use, and no responses for
Redline. I feel synthetics are the way to go. They are much more stable at high temps,
have very low pour points, need no VI improvers, and help the engine to run cooler as well
as improve fuel economy. If no one has looked at a bottle of Mobil 1 lately do so. 
It is NOT a true synthetic. Yes the base stock may be a synthetic but that is EXCLUSIVE
of the additive package carrier oil.

Depending on the type of filter you use and your driving conditions you could see
25,000 miles without a filter/oil change. Almost all types of "off-the-shelf" filters 
are of the surface filtering type which means oil is passed over the surface of a paper
element. This in itself only filters down to about 20 microns or so. Even the Amsoil filter 
designed for synthetics, which is not a surface filter but a full depth filter, can filter
down to about the 14-20 micron range. What you need is a by-pass filter used in conjunction
with your spin-on filter. The by-pass will filter down to 1/10 of a micron. This will get
the water, metal shavings, dirt, and other crud out of the oil which allows it to do its
job and you could easily see oil changes in the 25,000 mile plus range. Another factor that
has been brought up is where you do your driving. I don't think I'd want to keep the oil in
my engine for 25,000 miles if I'm driving in the desert ALL the time but if I'm on the 
highway where my engine can get up to operating temperature, sure 25,000 miles isn't
unrealistic. Just remember that the filter would need to be changed, it can get full.

With synthetics there is no need for oil additives. What's the point? I use the Amsoil
products in my Jeep which sees a lot of hard, slow, hot, dusty, muddy, and cold
off-raod driving as well as the many hour commute with heavy mud tires to the point
of the off-raod trip. Proper filtration and protection are a must. It's a long hike out
from some of these places.

And yes I do sell Amsoil...
From: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn Vs Sentra
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:07:29 GMT
Reply-To: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

beat the Sentra in every catagory.  Also Car and Driverr is not a reliable
source for info.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: awhg2445@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew W. Hull)
Subject: Seeking opinions on sentra SE-R
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:15:57 GMT

I'm looking at a 1991 Sentra SE-R tonight.
The asking price is $11,000.  The car has
8000 miles, comes with A/C, power sunroof,
and Cassete (I know, never buy a car for
its radio! 8-)  ).

To any owners out there, what problems have
you had, if any?

Is there anything in particular that I need
to ask and or know?

I haven't yet determined blue book prices,
etc, but shall before I look at the car.  
Is this a good price?  Should I seek a lower
price, if possible?

Thanks for any input.  And feel free to answer
any questions that I haven't asked.

Andy Hull
Univ. Illinois
awhull@uiuc.edu
217-333-5860
From: bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LHD v RHD (Archive)
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:25:05 GMT
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4



Does anyone have a copy of the LHD v RHD discussion of a while back, or
remember enough to summarise it; esp Gt Britain v Europe & US. Thanks.




Regards



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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 20/20 & rollover safety
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:36:24 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Jul20.025417.10266@rdr.com> randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.235116.18912@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)  
>writes:
 
>> This is one data point but-
>> 
>> [ ... story of Chevy Cavalier deleted ... ]

>While your story is one with a happy ending, I don't think it invalidates  
>the claims made by what seems to have been a well-researched article on  
>20/20.

On the other hand... what makes you, or anyone else, think the 20/20 story was
any better-researched than the 60-Minutes Audi-bashing?  Tabloid television is
just *that* -- *TABLOID* television... 'National Enquirer' of the airwaves...

I 'cruise' enough junque yards to form some of my own crashworthiness opinions
without having to be spoon-fed by some ignoramuses in a news-room that have no
knowledge of the subject matter at all.

Walt K.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 195hp/liter?
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:23:03 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <17JUL199208374630@zeus.tamu.edu>, rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul17.063016.21262@news.unomaha.edu>, ELHAZIN@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa Elhazin) writes...
|> 
|> >power per liter? The Japanese are getting 195hp/liter, let me see, the 
|> >Vipers, Corvettes, Mustangs and Saturns are <= 50 hp/liter (~1/4).
|> 
|> 	Whoa there! Will someone point me to the engine this individual is 
|> talking about?  The most powerful one in this field that I have seen yet is the 
|>   1.6liter (yes, 1.6) VTEC Honda engine that produces 195hp.  This figures out 
|> to around 122hp/liter.  Very impressive, yes, but a far cry from 195/liter.  We 
|> are talking about production engines aren't we?  I also heard (from the same 
|> magazines that this guy seems to believe as Biblical in accuracy) that this 
|> particular engine is kinda disappointing in torque feel.
|> 	Oh well, no big deal, this poster is abundant with misinformation and 
|> the lack of facts.  I'm still trying to figure out why he bothers when he can't 
|> get his numbers (that he uses to back up his arguments) to match the subjects on 
|> which he argues.

One Japanese company is getting ~195hp/l on a production car but it is not
really fair to compare other cars to it.  I am sure he is talking about the
1.3l 255hp 1993 RX7.  The problem is you cannot compare hp/displacement
ratios fairly between rotaries and piston engines.  It is about as reasonable
as comparing hp/displacement of turbo and non-turbo engines.  You will get
numbers but are though numbers meaningful?

-- 
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 01:33:56 GMT

You said you got pulled over by a cop dressed like a business
person......maybe it wasn't a cop..just some yuppie with a
badge and ticket book fucking with your head! heh
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From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Car Rentals
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:34:08 GMT





    I've had several good experiences with Enterprise.  Their rates are
    good, they divide their cars up into more classes (smaller rate steps),
    and the service is great, they always bring me the car, and drop me off
    at turn in.  On the other hand, I've also used Hertz and Avis, who
    never fail to jerk me around and make me drive a Tempo or Taurus (YUK).
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: djb@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.j.bryant)
Subject: Paint and Scotchguard protection treatments??
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:00:47 GMT
Keywords: paint, scotchguard, protection treatments

A company here in Columbus has called me to offer a package deal for my new 
92.5 GMC Safari mini-van that includes a Teflon-based exterior paint 
protection treatment plus full interior commercial Scotchguard for $200.  It 
sounds great - the Scotchguard protection would keep the interior looking new, 
and the paint protection sounds like it'd help do the same for the exterior.

Any comments, previons-experiences, advice, etc. on these treatments would
be greatly appreciated.  

(By the way, the family and I *really* like the 92.5 Safari with 200HP 
engine, "Dutch" doors and SLT interior package.)

	Thanks!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:13:08 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1992Jul21.060345.3258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Marshal.perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>Remember a week or so ago..I was talking about the "Police' Syclone I saw
>[prob. CHP]....well today..I saw even worse things.
>
>PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who don't know..interceptors
>are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that the CHP uses.>
>
>Gosh..I am glad I am moving to Florida soon...I also have seen white on white
>cruisers..but those are easy to see with the light bar and / or drop light.

Wrong place to move!  When I was down in Florida on spring break two years 
ago, I must of seen 10 COMPLETELY UNMARKED LX 5.0s in Florida....  Luckily,
I was in tons of traffic so I wasn't doing the 85mph avg. that I'd gone the 
rest of the way down!!!  These cars weren't just black or white, either... 
I saw one metallic blue and a bright red one too!  Very hard to tell they're
pigs until you get right ontop of them and see the goofy hats!  (or the riot
gun on the fence behind the front seat!  :^)  )

BTW, 'interceptor' is just a designation given to higher performance persuit
vehicles...  For instance RI has a few RS Camaro interceptors with the B4C
option, which is basically a 1LE with Air...  Damn things supposed to do sub-
14s quarter-mile, too!  That's as scary as the Syclone, since the B4C RS will
outhandle and outbrake the Pig-Phoon, and probably outrun it on the highway!

>
>BTW..the interceptors had NO DROP LIGHTS..but i saw the damn shotgun!
>
>Geeze!
>
>I also saw something else cool...2 flat bed semi's that were CDF (calif. dept
>of forestry) carring earth movers that were CODE 3! The semis had light bars on
>them and the sirens were BLAIRING.....
>
>That just struck me as odd..I guess they had to make a firebreak pronto!!
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From: michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend)
Subject: Re: Have you tried ColorCoat 2000?
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:33:41 GMT

David Spoelstra <davids@truevision.com> writes:

>Has anyone out there tried ColorCoat 2000, or any wax product with color
>in it?  I have seen several different variations advertised on TV, and
>was wondering if anyone had some real-live experience with them.

>David Spoelstra
>davids@truevision.com

I tried it on my 1977 Pontiac with silver paint, and I am pretty happy
with the results.  If you have dead paint to begin with, then the
results are pretty good.  I had to remove all of the oxidized paint
first.  However, I get this feeling that if your paint is in half way
decent shape to begin with, these color matching products would do more
harm than good.  Also, I believe you can't use them with clear coat
paint.  Save these products for a last resort.
Michael Townsend		michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:43:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <5zfmfz@lynx.unm.edu> dgalb@carina.unm.edu (David Galbraith CIRT) writes:
>I've been following this debate, and I just have a quick point to bring up.
>
>When you buy a car, you should look not just at the car, but at the dealer
>to.
>
>
good point.  assume all dealers and their employees suck(cause most do) and
pick a car that is not likely to have to go back to dealer.

>The saturn SC can kick a sentra E's butt :)  I raced a friend, (on a fairly
>empty 2 mile stretch of road) and he didn't even have a chance...  Maybe 
>he's just a poor driver ;)
>
if he had an se-r you would have been side by side the whole way.