HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Mac <-> NeXT communication
From: poff@vax.sonoma.edu (Someone)
Date: 12 Apr 1992 15:59 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
Keywords: Mac, NeXT, communication
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Are you sure?  There are at least two companies which make software/hardware
that allows for a third serial port that can do 56kbaud data transfer through
a Un*x tty device.  Couldn't one of these solutions work?

poff@vax.sonoma.edu
--thomas--



In article <1992Apr6.100644.8132@black-silicon.mclean.va.us>, hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us (Dark Hacker) writes...
> 
>For various deep reasons, the NeXT serial ports will not support Localtalk.
>Appletalk is only possible over Ethertalk ethernet links.
> 
>--- 
> 
>Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation
>8340 Greensboro Drive #223  Phone: (703) 356-6514
>McLean VA                   Uucp: mimsy!black-silicon!hacker
>22102                       Internet: hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us
> 
>"Beneath a sky of perpetual twilight towers a black cube measuring 20 miles
>on each side: "Black Silicon", Dark Hacker's fortress of computation!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep pricing (was: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations)
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:26:52 GMT

In article <GUMBY.92Apr10124214@Cygnus.COM> gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Wallace)  
writes:

>  Also when you buy the developer version you're paying for support too.
>  That costs something to provide.

Are you sure?  I don't think you get support with the developer version.  You  
still have to go to camp to get support...

I just hope that there is a cross compiler for the 040s.  Last thing I want  
around here is a 486...  :-)   


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
From: h2o@cup.portal.com (Miljenko - Horvat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: relay of materials on the Neuron problem(s)
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:59:04 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Oh boy do I NOT want to remain anonymous. I want them to know my 
name. I want them to have nightmares about it. As I said in 
another erecnt Neuron post, I do not live that far from 
Princeton and I just might drive over one day to see them in person ...

Miljenko Horvat
(914) 242-9852
fax   242-9852

I guess I don't have to be afraid that the epoplke from Neuron 
will start harassing me on the phone - their phones do not 
seem to be capable of dialing my numbers. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca (Scott Anguish)
Subject: eMail-Lists software
Reply-To: digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca
Organization: Digital Fix Development
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:21:09 GMT

I am trying to do something like listserv so that people could send to my  
mail box or a specific user, and have everything auto-answered, or  
forwarded to a group of people auto-matically.


I have looked at a ton of mail-server stuff, and also procmail, which  
seems like it might do it, but I can't get it all configured.

Anyone got list software on the NeXT yet??

Thanks

Scott

-- 
--
I have a brain dead mailer, so please reply to the below.
Scott Anguish            uunet.ca!digifix!sanguish@uunet.uu.net
Digital Fix Development - fax 519 886 3673           (NextMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter)
Subject: Letter re: NeXT in MacWEEK
Reply-To: dpeter@hsd.com (David Peter)
Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:45:34 GMT

Found in the Letters section of the April 6 issue of MacWEEK...

If it acts like a NeXT
then it must be a NeXT
 
 My consternation with the Mac
community has doubled with just
one issue of MacWEEK (March 9).
Several stories were about the
future ofthe Mac: One describes
improvements with "Unix-grade OS
capabilities" such as multi-threading
and pre-emptive scheduling.
Another describes a new Display
PostScript-like imaging model to
replace QuickDraw. Then there's
[Apple CEO John] Sculley stating
the object-based Taligent will "solve
an entire class of problems," includ-
ing faster ways to prototype and
deploy custom applications.
 But these solutions are up to two
years away. This sounds similar to
Bill Gates' pontificating to keep his
Windows masses loyal. Like Win-
dows aficionados who will wait for
Windows NT and an object-oriented
version of Windows shipping years
thereafter, the Mac community is
awaiting a new System 7 microker-
nel and an object-oriented Taligent
after that. The point: That feature
list describes NeXTstep very well,
and it's been shipping for some time.
 I regard Mac users as forward
thinkers, but I certainly hope the
Mac community hasn't matured into
the entrenchment I have usually
associated with our DOS-based
cousins. Don Crabb says "fall out of
love" with the Mac, as it will change
in the coming years, and picture what
you want in one, three and five years.
If people want an operating system
like a NeXT, an imaging system like a
NeXT and a development system like
a NeXT, maybe they should be aware
that there is a NeXT.
 	Gary M. Bradfield
 	Redondo Beach, Calif.


David W. Peter
dpeter@hsd.com
(800) 828-5522
(415) 964-1400
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul B. Verket)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Exception #2 (0.0) at 0x10037d4
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:00:49 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest) writes:
: 
: The problem was that I had not enable parity checking. Though
: NeXTAnswers says it is not required (and even points out that you take
: a performance hit by enabling it)...

I've heard about the performance hit before as well but I haven't
heard how much of a hit? What are your impressions?

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,com.sys.next.sysadmin
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Maxtor 1.2 gig disk advice needed
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:46:24 GMT


Hello.

I will be purchasing a 1.2 gig hard drive (external) and am
wondering if anyone has had any problems with the reliablity
of this drive.

As well, would you recommend a double bay enclosure over a 
single bay enclosure?

Any comments welcomed!

- db

--
---- my opinions are my own, not my employer's ---
"You fill in the mortar, I build the wall." "...a secret stigma, 
weeping willow, a diminished carnival of sorts." "Who might leave you
where I left off? A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends."
"I can't see myself at thirty I don't buy a lack of thirty
Caught like flies wishing for tomorrow's jewlery" - M. Stipe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul B. Verket)
Subject: Re: RTF, Mime, and me
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:54:42 GMT

rmccask@seas.gwu.edu (Randy McCaskill) writes:
: I almost wish the rtf group had passed.  Not for posting of rtf files,
: but so that I wouldn't have to deal with all the stupid arguments
: about it.  I think the rtf arguments belong in some news.* group
: and the other comments about Mime probably belong in comp.mail.*.  I
: really don't care where they belong, I am just tired of the constant
: arguments about them.

Hopefully they'll move to comp.sys.next.advocacy when it opens!

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom)
Subject: Latest PixelMagician Beta DEMO V1.00.X10
Keywords: Image viewer, Conversion, Graphics
Reply-To: eric@bacchus.com
Organization: Bacchus, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:44:08 GMT

The latest Demo version of PixelMagician (Beta V1.00.X10) is available via
anonymous ftp from

Machine Name:

	sonata.cc.purdue.edu ( 128.210.15.30 ) or
	nova.cc.purdue.edu (128.210.7.22)

Location:

	/pub/next/2.0-release/demos/PixelMagician1.00.x10.tar


Production Release date is Monday April 13th.
	
	
IMPORTANT NOTES:

If you have been using a previous demo version of PM (e.g., x07, x08, x09), you
MUST delete the ".PixelMagician" file located in your home directory. This can
be done before or after you install x10. If you do not do this the new JPEG
file support will not work.

You may need to manually delete the old PixelMagician.app/PixelMagician before
the Installer application will work properly

After installing the package, the owner must register the program. Other users
will not have the permissions necessary to register the program. This means if
you install the package as root, then you must run the program once as root to
register it. Other users cannot register a program belonging to root. They will
not have the necessary write permission.


Changes/Fixes:

1.00.x11 ( These Latest fixes will be present in the production release )
	
	Fixed non-72 DPI bug for PXM files.
	Fixed quantization for 1 color files.
	Fixed TIFF options panel save bug.
	Fixed Miniwindow thumbnail scaling, compositing and backcolor.
	Application icon changes.
	"Help" now opens up a Workspace MANUAL browser .
	Save Convert window size and position.
	Many other minor fixes.

1.00.x10

	Added support for JPEG (JFIF) files.
	Fixed 1-4-bit PCX default palette bug.
	More intelligent TIFF options panel.
	Fixed bug imaging multi-page EPS/PS files.
	Fixed SavePanel browser bug.
	Other minor fixes.		

1.00.x09

	Re-sampling only when needed. (Viewing/converting 4-6 times faster than
	v1.00.x08.)
	Fixed TIFF/JPEG read bug.
	Corrected GIF aspect ratio bug.

1.00.x08

	Added more default aliases.
	Added unrecognized file extension panel.
	Added registration panel.
	Fixed bug in savePanel for replace w/o asking.
	Fixed bug imaging paletted formats to B&W formats.
	Allow screens grabs to be immediately saved to another directory.
	Fixed text corruption bug in image inspector filename text.
	Fixed bug reading PICT files with alpha channel.
	Added support to retain alpha data for PICT files.
	Fixed image re-sampling bug.
	Add bounding box to PS files that do not have one.
	Fixed  multiple file drag/drop from workspace.
	Drag/Drop into application icon added.
	Force output option panels to "float" above save panel.
	Many other minor fixes.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Supra fax/modem...What say, owners?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:40:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.100733.380@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head) writes:

[ ]
>
>If NeXT would let me know what their plans are with Fax support in 3.0 I'd  
>continue working on the driver I started awhile back. Can't see wasting my time
>if NeXT goes ahead and covers this gaping whole in 3.0 themselves while  
>squeezing out an opportunity for 3rd party developers. - worth it so long as it  
>gets done!

No offence, but it would be great for NeXt to deal with the fax issue if only
to get rid of Neuron. On the other hand, if they don't then NeXT should
cooperate with anyone willing to write a non-proprietary fax driver. Neuron
must go.

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: PixelMagician ships !!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:55:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr16.205503.25307
Organization: NASA/LeRC

In article <12497@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.210207.17811@newshost.lanl.gov>  
>tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:
>
>$ In article <1992Apr13.195357.1359@bacchus.com> bacchus!eric (Eric  
>Bloom) writes:
>$ > Pixel Magician, a universal picture file viewer and translator  
>for NeXT computers [...]
>$ > has a suggested retail price of $299 
>
>$ Am I the only one that thinks this is incredibly overpriced?    

>Get GraphicsWorkshop (the latest version) from the Archives (for  
>free).
>

I have been a PixelMagician beta tester and compared it some with Graphics  
Workshop, ViewGif2, ImageViewer etc.-- and I really like it.  It is relatively  
fast and full featured.  I like the really wide variety of saving and  
converting options (and the way that they are implemented) and I particularly  
like the group convert capabilities (where you identify a large number of files  
and a target format and just let it happen.  The inspector is farily convenient  
and allows various scaling and rotaing options.   I do not use any of the other  
apps anymore.  The $299 price may be a little high but is certainly justified  
if you deal with converting, resizing, compressing etc. graphics files often.
--
__________________________________________________________________
Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: Future of NewsGrazer?
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:10:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.184513.22713@cco.caltech.edu>  
ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
> ...
> I believe that NewsGrazer will be 'frozen' at the current level,
> although you   can bug_next if there are significant bugs.  That leaves
> the market open for   commercial products like Jayson's
> "NewsExplorer."  Sort of like with BackSpace.    NeXT is trying to a
> void competing with it's developers, after all.
> ...

Hopefully NeXT will see fit to do the RightThing(TM) and include  
NewsGrazer+source code in 3.0 as a demo app (a'la Backspace). NewGrazer is  
a very fine app with lots of good ideas, but it also lacks many crucial  
features and leaves enough to be desired that there is lots of room to  
grow. In the worse case scenerio, releasing NG to the public domain will  
only serve to raise the lowest common denominator for GUI-based  
newsreaders AND provide a level playing ground for all those who wish to  
develop software for the NeXT computer. How's that for living up to NeXT's  
latest marketing chant of "Your next custom application is already half  
finished ..." :-)

Any half-wit-coke-drinking-pizza-eating-propeller-head can vastly improve  
on NG and make it a very marketable product. What about it NeXT? You've  
done the RightThing(TM) with Backspace, now lets do it again with  
NewsGrazer ... just for the sake for being consistently smart :-)

Joe

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: roy@math13.math.umbc.edu (Roy Edwards)
Subject: NeXT CD-ROM drive, a black BSR?
Originator: roy@math13.math.umbc.edu
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Maryland Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:06:34 GMT

This sounds crazy! I just got the latest issue of the DAK catalog and on
page 8 there's a BSR CD-ROM drive that looks identical to the NeXT
CD-ROM drive. (except the BSR is white) Could it be? We've go a BSR
CD-ROM drive! 
Roy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Subject: SCSI screen?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:17:25 GMT

Theoretical question for people:

A number of companies have anounced SCSI displays for the mac portables which
connect to the SCSI interface and run quickdraw.

Would it be posible to build a Display PostScript device that does this?  ie one
which you connect to your SCSI port and send DPS commands to.

Why do this? - three reasons...One it would allow current users to go double
(triple?) headed relativly easily.  Secondly it would alow a cheep up grade from
mono to colour...Just plug in a colour SCSI screen.  (PS...any one heard anything
about a upgrade policy for the stations?).  Thirdly, if and when NeXT launches a
portable/lugable version of the machine this would provide a simple way to conect
a large screen when not on the move.

So any comments/thoughts?

john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker)
Subject: CAD on NeXT ?
Summary: Any CAD Applications On NeXT ?
Keywords: CAD architecture
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:42:18 GMT

Does anybody know of any CAD applications available or being ported to the
NeXT, especially apps for architectural drawings ?
--

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From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: GUI's versus TVs (was Re: SEF did it again)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:15:21 GMT
	<SCOTT.92Apr11141947@nic.gac.edu> <FOX.92Apr12092603@graphics.nyu.edu>
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: fox@cs.nyu.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 14:26:03 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: cf285117496b152c00821a6d9b10e50f

In article <FOX.92Apr12092603@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:

   I agree with you about GUI's and command lines, but I think that *on
   the balance* the world *would* be a better place without TV.  By TV I
   don't mean video monitors, and I don't mean video monitors attached to
   VCRs, and I don't mean video monitors attached to a digital video
   database.  I mean TV as we know it, programmed to maximize advertizing
   revenues from millions of simultaneous viewers.  I couldn't live
   without video monitors, but I'd like to try living without TV.  (And I
   haven't gotten up the will power to try.  Yet.)

   -david

Just think:  Without TV "as we know it", there wouldn't be all these
nice raster-graphics monitors at such low cost.  Ever wonder why
vector-graphics displays never made it big?  Mass production.

I'm not claiming that what's on TV is generally useful (unless you
watch the Monitor Channel) but the technology was indeed very
important to our industry.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Gradual Student/Systems Guy  Department of Computer Science
Internet:   khera@cs.duke.edu             Duke University
            (MIME mail accepted)          Durham, NC 27706     (919) 660-6528
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Subject: Net Consensus (Re: Neuron: unsatisfied 96+ owners UNITE!)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:57:21 GMT

In article <SAMCINTY.92Apr10112226@exua.exua.exeter.ac.uk> SAMcinty@exua.exeter.ac.uk (Scott McIntyre) writes:
>
>What really annoys me is that about three months ago I posted a message
>asking for advice about buying a Fax modem and I got dozens of really
>encouraging responses for the Neuron...the review in NeXTworld 
>said it was good (except the manual) and that they could reccomend it
>
> [deleted]
>
>Then people start this thread on here...talk about cognitive dissonance...
>I buy a product, convince myself I've done the right thing, then
>hear that it's a POS..

This kind of thing happens very often. For example, once Norton
Utilities for Mac was the netters' choice of disk utility. People said
DiskExpress II is dangerous. And now people are bashing Norton in
info-mac digest. 

As far as I know, the only application that is consistently being
bashed is Microsoft Word :)

So don't rely on the net consensus too much. The net is a good place
to hear user's real voice. But sometimes a few enthusiasts' voices 
can dominate or control the net consensus.

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Adobe Systems Incorporated -- and a Question
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:52:20 GMT

Dick Silbar writes

>However, a QUESTION: it seems that when I installed the fonts in
>/NextLibrary/Fonts (using
>whatever-it-is-called--FontMaker? I am not now at my NeXT),
>some OTHER fonts which were in that directory that I never saw in
>the Font Panel before, now also appeared there and were usable! 
>These were fonts that came with WordPerfect, and include
>interesting things like modern Greek, Cyrillic, Kana(s),
>numerous Math symbols not found in Symbol, and LineDrawing
>characters. 

There are a couple files - '.fontdirectory' and '.fontlist'
which are used by the font panel.  These are automatically
updated when the fontpanel first starts up (in any
application) and sees that they are out of date WRT any
directory name '*.font'.  My guess is that WordPerfect copied
the '*.font's into that directory which keeping their
modification times - OR, you haven't started up an application
and asked for a font panel since they were installed.  The latter
being unlikely, it's probably the former.

You can manually build these caches at any time - see the man page
for 'buildafmdir'.

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:40:05 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

In article <1992Apr13.015822.528@asw.com> jayson@asw.com (Jayson Adams) writes:
>	[From the user interface guidelines]

>  >  	If the user never needs to get at the files or folders
>  > independently of using the application that creates them, they should be
>  > placed in the user's home folder but preceded by a dot prefix so they
>  > stay hidden from view.
>  
>  Sounds great in theory, some users will be forced to see these damn files  
>  and folders (does preferring UNIX Expert mode suddenly not make me a  
>  user?).  This guideline should be reexamined and changed.

After giving this a lot of thought and vascillating my opinion back
and forth several times, I'm tempted to agree with Andrew Loewenstern
(not quoted here) who says that UNIX Export mode is all about seeing
or not seeing hidden files, and that is enough of a mechanism.

Given that there are literally dozens of products that store dot files
in your home directory, and given that it actually is sanctioned as
the correct thing to do by the User Interface Guidelines, I believe
that we ought to keep the paradigm as it is, but be careful not to
proliferate unnecessary files that could be stored as simple Preferences.
High scores from games, for example, are usually just integers, and could
easily be stored in the Preferences database.

I think it makes no sense to "reexamine and change" the interface guideline
based on the fact that Experts don't like to see lots of dot files.  For
one thing, we would never entirely erradicate all of the dot files or fix
all of the software, and for another thing, there are better things for
us all to do :-)

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California		Font Hotline: 800-525-FONT