HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:49:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>Rick (Slater):

>I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
>crop circles with 2x4s...

>In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
>let's have him figure out this one by himself...

>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.

They caught people making some.  Isn't that proof enough?

keith
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:33:06 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes...
> 
>>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get 
>people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would 
>leave no such "evidence."

Because you want to leave evidence... that's the whole point.

> 
>If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
>influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
>on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?

Yes... I would.
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
Organization: UUMEME Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:10:49 GMT

Well, as far as defending WITHOUT my weapons, vs defending WITH 'em...
I REFUSE to defend myself with a soup spoon while waiting 20 minutes for the 
police to arrivbe against an "invader", and a flatly refuse to abandon my home 
to same. I've already had to defend myself against ONE attack in my own living
room (some hopped-up clown came crashing in thru my patio door waving a knife
the size of a buick), and I've d*mned GLAQD I had a pistol within reasonable access... elsewise I'd probably not be here to post this (the clod was twice my size, and I ain't eggzackly small).
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From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:16:49 GMT



Wait a minute!!  We are discussing crop circles, and you are
calling "Unsolved Mysteries" an unreliable source?!  For this?
We are talking about a television show that panders to those
of you who believe that a supernatural force is at work here.
They set up the cameras in an area recommended to them by
Colin Andrews and left them running.  That's it.

The last thing in the world I want to do is call that show 
a credible source of information, but I think that their
findings in this case are pretty cut-and-dried.  Especially
since they went there looking for something else.

Before I go, one more thing:  Why is it up to me to prove
the more plausible of the two explanations?  Should we *not*
believe more easily that the circles are hoaxes, when we have
evidence to support that claim, rather than believe that an alien
(or other) force is at work, when we have absolutely NO evidence
for that at all?

Aimee
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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: INVASION!!!
Summary: What you don't know CAN hurt you!
Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:11:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I am sitting here writing this, as my dad sleeps in the room next to
me...Apparently, the aliens and the CIA placed something inside to monitor
him, as I knew from previous experience with the kinds of things I hae
gone through, because every few minutes he lets out a agonizing series of
moans that makes my blood curl and my hate grow...I am going to blow this
thing wide open soon...The assholes that did this to my family are gonna
regret it...I still can't believe what they did to ME in that Emergency
Room in Tallahassee...I don't believe what -I- was able to do...This IS
like something out of the twilight zone...If anyone at FSU is reading
these notes, get your family and friends OUT of the hospital there!! 
After cutting up my dick like they did, I wouldn't put anything past
them...I would advise getting out of FSU as well, as it was
breached also, and clones made of the teachers whose classes I was
in...And the kids who were in my classes were taken as well...FSU may
have the fastest computer in the world, but it don't matter a damn when
you have to go through what I have had to...I feel sorry for the innocent
people there most of all...But the government in town was not innocent!! 
That goes double for Senator, then governor Bob Graham...If he wasn't IN
on it, I sure don't have much to say for his officials...One thing I AM
sure of, this government is gonna fall...It is only a matter of time...


-- 
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Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:25:19 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman

In article <#j9mky-.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

>That goes double for Senator, then governor Bob Graham...If he wasn't IN
>on it, I sure don't have much to say for his officials...One thing I AM
>sure of, this government is gonna fall...It is only a matter of time...

Clever observation, Gary! (Don't suppose you've noticed the election
activity, eh?)

-- 
   ----------The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada---------
An anonymous Canadian official was asked, in early 1945, how many Jews
would be allowed into Canada after the war. "None," he said, "is too many."
(From the preface of NONE IS TOO MANY, Toronto, 1982. ISBN 0-919630-31-6)
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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:49:01 GMT


Tom,

As a matter of fact,something very similar happened to me thanksgiving
night
in 1988.I was heading up to San Francisco to a couple of friends house
around 730ish pm.It was raining quite hard . I'm not sure exactly where I
was ,but it was north of Menlo Park & South of S.F. I was going Northbound
on 101. 

I remember coming up on a sweeping right turn in the freeway when I noticed
a bright glow from behind some trees that were to the front & right of my
position. I could not see the source though. It lit up the whole area.Like
a city does from a distance when you are on a country road with no
lighting.This was bright,really bright.At this time I must have been a .5
miles away.As I made it around the turn & the freeway straitened out I
realized that it was right over the freeway.....I then noticed that there
were 3 spun out cars in the area of where this thing was.

The light source was about the size of a large beachball & was
superbright,like a welding torch only white-white,like a magnesium fire. I
could not really look at it directly cause it was so bright. I assumed the
cars spun out cause this thing must have startled them.It was about 30-40
foot in the air....with no visible source.It did not move at all. I passed
under it & then looked back only to see it glow out.
There was no overpass in the area,so I think that rules out a spotlight.It
was too bright for that anyway.

I called the highway patrol when I arrived at my friends house & inquired
if there were any reports of anything strange lights seen on the freeway
that night,he said no but that he would look into it.Igave him my phone #
but he never returned my call.

I guess it could have been ball lighting or some form of natural plasma,I
really don't know what it was.I'm sure GLUTIOUS MAXIMUS will have the
answer very soon though;->                       ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

Rod
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From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:05:20 GMT



As I understand it, the Science News article took great care to call
the circles hoaxes, and to point out that some people had already
come forward saying that they had made some of the circles.

I wouldn't really call that article a good reference, if one were
looking for support of the "aliens are coming" theory.

Aimee
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From: golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cup.portal.com:62611:peg:422800033:000:116
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!golight    Aug 17 18:22:00 1992


Under everybody
[A[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C's carpet...of course...where else does dust go?
Regards ;_} Photon
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:26:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I don't have time to post anything right now. I catch everybody later.
John Winston.
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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Public Opinion Poll.
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:09:18 GMT

|> I think the public is a good thing.
Some of my best friends are of the public persuasion.  But that doesn't 
mean I want my baby sister to marry one!
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:20:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug19.193901.17981@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>

Dear RA: Did you know that your name RA is the name of a god? In answer
to your question it may seem silly but there are a lot of people from
Venus living here just ask anybody. The skull is not one million years
old but it's pretty old.
John Winston.
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: THE NATURE OF REALITY
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:04:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bt70uB.C5p@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> srnwhite@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Shannon White) writes:
>In article <q86m23j.jeffp@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>> 
>> Of course, many of our less esteamed freinds who don't read books on such
>> "far out' subjects are predisposed to other viewpoints, but I'll ask you
>> this:
>> 
>> Jeff-
>
>This business about the cattle mutilations has gone far enough.  I am a farmer

	Simple minds are predisposed to simple answers.
	Like I said before, IF you have read Alien Harvest, it's pretty clear
	what is going on.   Linda Howe has no question in her mind, since she
	went around the country and compiled reports on over 15k mutilations
	of cattle around the world. 

>With >500 acres to take care of, no farmer can keep track of all that may
>happen on their farm.  Farms are very large, and often spread out.  If 
>someone wanted to cross your land, you likely would never know about it.
>Once we noticed a car parked next to one of our corn fields.  After it left,
>we investigated and found that a patch of 2-foot high marijuana was being
>grown in the middle of the field.  We were told by the police, this is
>often done.  Cattle mutilations are not much of a step up from this.
>
>
>The greatest difficulties with cattle mutilations, is determining how the
>cattle are abducted, without causing too much of a stir.  There is no reason
>to bring in aliens for an explanation however.  Once a cow (or heifer, or
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You see, that simply is not true, after you find out the particulars involved.
Lazer micro surgery and no cardio vascular colapse indicate a VERY high technological
capability in the majority of these incedents, and there are really only two
tenable explaintions. The government, the aliens, or both working together.
I stand corrected; that's three.

Jeff-

PS - Like I said before, the really interesting questions are Why does this go on,
and What is being done with the biological specimens being collected? Have any
of you ever heard of the mapping of the Human Genome?


>Shannon White
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From: rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:12:19 GMT

In <1992Aug21.110331.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>>Here's another interesting thing from the Crop Circle Communique video:
>>>Some German students managed to videotape a small white disk flying through
>>>a crop formation in the middle of the day, then ascending into the air and
>>>disappearing.  This is clearly visible in the video.  Once again, no one
>>>can explain it.
>> 
>> Several people have explained it, long before the video became
>> widely-circulated.  I have a copy.  I share the opinion of many people
>> that the object (which is not a white disc at all, but an oblong blob)
>> is more likely a piece of paper being tossed about by the wind, hence
>> its erratic behaviour and darting in and out among the tops of the
>> plants.
>> 
>> No, I am not a skeptic or debunker.  I'm a cerealogist.  But because I
>> can explain some of the alleged effects and formations does not mean I
>> discount the entire phenomenon.  What I can say is that the video is
>> nor proof that Andrews' theory (or Meaden's, for that matter) is
>> supported by the evidence.  What we can say is that there are
>> unexplained observations and effects, but NO theory so far proposed
>> seems satisfactory.

>Chris, does that include your own theory that the object is a "piece of
>paper"?

Ah, good point.

Yes, it does.  A TRUE skeptic (NOT a "debunker") will doubt his or her
own theories.  Yes, the position that the disc on film was a piece of
paper may be unsatisfactory to some people, but to others, it is quite
acceptable.  I'm not alone in my opinion that the object was a piece of
dross, and there are those who insist the object was a miniature
saucer.  But the theory about paper is easy to support because people
in the area say that winds frequently were picking up paper and tossing
it around the fields - exactly the same type of winds that Meaden needs
for his vortex theory, incidentally.  To sugest the object was really a
small saucer would mean it was a probe of some sort, directed from the
invisible mothership (since no saucer has been seen to make the circles
in the Wiltshire area).

Take your pick.  BTW, I'm not saying that crop circles aren't
mysterious.  I'm just pointing out that much of the so-called "proof"
is weak or has other explanations.

-- 
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Royal Astronomical Society of Canada
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: more on K-2
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:23:16 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1992Aug17.213856.14830@acd4.acd.com>, gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
> In article <wb9omc.713659112@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>>usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) writes:
>>
>>	Anyone who has a shortwave radio and a tape recorder can record
>>noises that sound like the description presented here.  By and large,
>>pretty much anything you hear is either some naturally occurring
>>phenomenon or is cuased by FAX transmissions, high speed computer
>>controlled morse code, digital transmissions, encrypted audio, etc.
>>
>>Pray tell, just what makes them so sure tha anything they have
>>heard is alien, i.e., what proof of this do they offer?
>>
>>Duane
> 
> True, true, all true. However, the K-2 stuff says they used RDF to find
> the source and found in was being produced by a secret alien base. Personally
> I think it was produced with a very expensive sythesizer. Want a copy? I 
> can't find any copyright infor on the tape or memo they sent me so I 
> think I can legally send you a copy. Hmmmm...Maybe I should check with
> the Greys first. :> Contact me via e-mail if you want to hear it. 
> 
> Gregg.

Didn't that one turn out to be caused by the crystals in one of the security
cameras? A lot of 'pulsars' were caused by this. Moving dishes caused
interference, explaining why it wasn't constant.
JMcVey
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From: rj@incam.new-orleans.la.us (Ray Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.po
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 11:12:25 CDT
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Organization: Camelot BBS, New Orleans, LA

ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie Griffiths (Griff)) writes:

> In article <exukjb.58.713455643@exu.ericsson.se> exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken 
> >In article <BsI1uu.AKn@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie
> >>From: ccx018@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Leslie Griffiths (Griff))
> >>Subject: Re: guns and criminals
> >>Date: 5 Aug 92 07:23:18 GMT
> >
> >>In article <1992Aug4.224146.15920@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) wr
> >>>In article <1992Aug4.015333.21023@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) wr

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> >>>>      And one should learn ways of self-defense using one's own
> >>>>body, so one can deal with assailants not equipped with guns.
> >>>
> >>>How macho of you. My wife rejects your suggestion. So does my mother.
> >>>
> >
> >>I've always thought that the best form of self-defense is to run away. Not
> >>always practicable of course, but being fit-enough to leg it has its 
> >>advantages.
> >
> >>Cheers
> >
> >The best defense is a good offense. (Hey, it's early, don't expect much.) 
> 
> I would agree, Its just that I wouldn't want to go around parts of New York
> with anything less offensive than a tank. And what happens when the
> criminals start carring tank-busting weaponry?
> 
> >Kenny Bell                          *        Welcome to Mind Wars
> 
> I still say 'run away, run away'. But to appease the gun lobby, I perhaps one
> should paint a target on ones back - to give the criminal something to go for
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -- 
> Griff				\\         	ccx018@uk.ac.cov
> ^^^^^		       		 :-=       	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 		        	//


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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:45:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <696mrvr.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>In article <3283@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>>>   events in it.  Turn on a videotape loop every night before going
>>>   to bed.  Maybe prepare the ground outside to mark footprints.
>>>   Set up automatic video or camera equipment around the house 
>>>   to record people (beings, whatever) going in and out.  Et cetera.
>>
>>
>I met a lady whom was abducted, and she spoke of how the greys knew that
>she had a lot of guns in the house. They asked her why? (She is a PI)
>
>So obviously, they can scan the contents of a dwelling in pretty short
>order, and they know who is there, and what is there, and anything
>your thinking about.
>
>Not too difficult compared to beeming in thru walls and windows:
>She said her very solid bathroom wall became opaque, and the aliens
>left thru it

  They made a wall opaque?    Wow, they must have some pretty 
  advanced technology -- maybe they can get Home Depot to sell
  their stuff -- I'm making a porch into a three season room
  and it took me all weekend to make the walls opaque.


> (which is much like what most abductees report) although 
>they are reported to preferre windows to walls.

  Look, when I lived in Boston I had a neighbor who wore aluminum
  foil because the aliens were "beaming thoughts into his head".
  (Frankly I wish they would beam some thoughts into some of the
  heads in this newsgroup).  In the absence of any evidence the nutty
  things that this lady of my neighbor *say* is not too enlightening.

  These excuses about why nobody gets physical evidence of "abductions"
  are just a little too convenient -- sort of like the Christian Fundy's
  excuses for fossils, carbon dating and other evidence which appears
  to make the world seem older than 6000 years: being God, He made the 
  fossils and other evidence too.  

  Excuses, excuses.
                   

---peter


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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Poorly Worded UFO Public Opinion Poll
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:36:23 GMT

OK, the poll has ended. Any additional responses that don't hit my mailbox
before the end of compilation will be trashed. Unfortunately, as a few
people have pointed out, the results will not be clear cut because of the
way I worded the poll. So, therefore, next week I will issue a more
accurate poll. I am starting the compilation process now. If you haven't
participated by the time you read this, just wait until next week and
send me some responses to that one. 

Gregg.

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