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/ hpcc01:rec.sport.football.college / chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) / 11:32 am  Nov  9, 1992 /

> 2. Kaufman lost the ball becaused his arm hit one of his lineman.

> 3. Shelly (Frosh) had the ball in his hand for a 30-40 yard gain and 
> the ball mysteriously flow out of his hand and poped into the air, it 
> turned into an interception.  BTW, Shelley looked really good 
> catching the ball.  The boy can really fly!  Brunell threw the ball
> perfectly into his arm.  It had a touch down written all over it.
> But the Woof God interevened ...   

The ball didn't "mysteriously fly out of his hand"!!  He was pummelled
by an Arizona defensive back!  And even if he'd held on to the ball,
he would have been tackled on the spot.  Granted it would have set
up a good scoring opportunity, but this wasn't just a "freshman error",
and it wasn't going to be a gimme TD.

> 	My God!  These are gifts from the Heaven to Arizona.  I don't know.
> I guess it just wasn't to be.  The Huskies was able to move the ball when 
> they needed to and out gain the WildCats all the way until the fourth 
> quarter.  But they beat themselves constantly with the turnovers.   

> That is why I am prettyb bummed out.  If the Huskies had played a flawless 
> game and still got beat, I wouldn`t have been as depressed as I am now.  I 
> would have acknowledge Arizona as unquestionably better than the Huskies.  
> But the Huskies just gave the game away...  Gosh, Darn it!

Come on Chung!!  Wake up!

Look, I'm a big UW fan, and I was just as "bummed" as you when they
lost.  But they didn't just "give the game away".  Perhaps Arizona
played a good game and deserved to win, no?

As I said in another posting, I think that if UW played UA ten times,
Washington would win 6 or 7 of the matchups.  But of course that
doesn't really matter.  Arizona won the only matchup that counts.

Jim Privat
jimp@hpwss401.mayfield.hp.com
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From: tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
>
>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>team in their home stadium?
>
>		- inquiring minds want to know
>
>			rob


Perhaps the best way to answer this is with another question.  Would
the Cotton Bowl actually invite Miami?  After the game a few years 
ago against Texas, yeah the one where Miami's penalty yardage ( 202 yds
- I believe ) was greater than the total Texas offense, Miami doesn't 
have too many fans in Texas.  Now maybe if the Cotton  Bowl Committee 
thought that A&M could actually get revenge and regain state pride...
But wait - doesn't A&M still have to play TCU?  

Tim Allison
a transplanted 'Cane, surrounded by Yahoos, I mean Wahoos
tja2f@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's Top 25--2 Nov
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Nov 1992 08:51 EST  

Pressed for time.  Games of the week will follow by another post (maybe).
Here are the top 25:

Team				Weight
----				------
1 Washington (8-0)		2.8
2 Florida State (7-1)		2.4
3 Miami Fl (8-0)		2.3
4 Alabama (8-0)			2.1
5 Michigan (7-0-1)		2.1
6 Nebraska (6-1)		2.1
7 Texas A&M (8-0)		2.0
8 Syracuse (7-1)		1.9
9 Notre Dame (6-1-1)		1.9
10 Southern Cal (5-1-1)		1.9
11 Ohio State (6-2)		1.8
12 Kansas (7-1)			1.8
13 Georgia (7-2)		1.7
14 Florida (5-2)		1.7
15 Boston College (7-0-1)	1.7
16 Colorado (6-1-1)		1.7	Media Bias Winner of the Week:
17 Arizona (5-2-1)		1.7			# 30 Penn State
18 Stanford (6-3)		1.6			(CNN #21)
19 North Carolina (7-2)		1.6
20 Mississippi St (7-2)		1.6	Media Bias Loser of the Week:
21 Hawaii (6-1)			1.6			# 24 Bowling Green
22 N C State (6-2-1)		1.6			(CNN unranked)
23 Tennessee (5-3)		1.5
24 Bowling Green (7-2)		1.5
25 Washington St (6-2)		1.5

I don't know how far out of the CNN/AP? rankings Bowling Green is, but I would 
be surprised to see them appear in the top 25 all year.  MAC teams get no 
respect, even when (if) they are good.

Bottom Ten:

98 Temple (1-7)			0.3
99 Missouri (1-7)		0.2
100 SW Louisiana (2-7)		0.2
101 Pacific (1-6)		0.2
102 Cal St Fullerton (2-6)	0.1
103 Navy (0-7)			0.1
104 Arkansas St (1-7)		0.0
105 Kent St (2-7)		0.0
106 E Michigan (1-8)		-0.0
107 Ohio (1-8)			-0.1

Even with a loss to Army in the Crummy Game of the Week last Saturday, 
Eastern Michigan still was unable to move into the bottom spot, staying a 
hundredth of a point ahead of lowly Ohio U.

R Dendy


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: OU's Coach
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.202949.25079@iphase.uucp> grima@iphase.com (Gary Rima) writes:
>In article <1992Oct19.220737.6693@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>>
>>Disappointed I am with the tie, we are still in the race.  With CU getting
>>beat in Lincoln on Halloween, we should be playing NU in Norman in November for
>>a trip to the Orange Bowl.  I was there the last time the 'huskers came to town.
>>I liked it.
>>
>
>Sounds like a pipe dream to me (this year).  THE game for a trip to the Orange

I wrote that before the OU loss to KU.  It was realistic then. Not anymore.  It's
either Jayhawks or Huskers.  Probably Huskers.

>Bowl appears to be KU at NU this Saturday.  No "woofs" on this end about your 
>comment of liking the Huskers to come to town except to say let's just wait and
>see this year!

NU certainly has more firepower than OU this year and should win.  But if any team
could upset them, OU could, just by virtue of the history of this rivlary.  Regardless,
the Sooners won't get blown away 52-7.  (I just love repeating that score!  Thanks
'Huskers, I thoroughly enjoyed every second of the total pounding and domination of
CU.  Looks like the buffs couldn't beat either of the big reds this year).

>-Gary-

    OOOO      
   O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:38:02 GMT

m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com  writes:
> --
> 
> One thing you guys are not thinking about: Sure CU WILL get better, I do not
> doubt that. But what you are not considering is that Frazier is a frosh, Jones
> and Brown are Sohp's and the Huskers just keep bringing out new generations of
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  OOOPS, Brown is a Junior!
      
> lineman generation after generation. Nebraska is going to get better also,
> especially WHEN the tone up the passing game with "Smokin" Tommy Frazier.
> 
> Sooooo, while next year will be a much better game you have no sure thing.
  Lets just hope DA Huskers get by Kansas first...
      
> Huskers are BACK !!!
> 
> Husker Henderson
-
 

                                                Joe Citro III
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Arizona
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alc.1992Nov9.165213.5667
Distribution: na
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:
> With USC's lost to Stanford, and Arizona's win over
> Washington, I doubt Arizona will be the underdog.

According to the paper here, they are.  The line is reported as
Southern Cal by 2.5 over Arizona.

Note that this is the same paper that reported Ohio State as a
3-point favorite over *itself* a few weeks ago.  So take it with
a grain of salt until someone else confirms it.
--
Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Hey I-AA fans--
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:05:40 GMT

Sorry about my absence last week.  A combination of the flu, a very busy school
and work week, and trouble getting information kept me from doing any posting 
or compiling a top ten.  I will be posting this week.

PDunn
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: How Billy Joe Hobert Spends Money
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.012518.25771@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
|> Some specifics from the Seattle Times:
|> 
|> [specifics about loan origination deleted]
|> 
|> Hobert said he originally borrowed $25K in April and spent it within a month.
|> He said he bought a 1991 Camaro for about $9K, and used $5K to pay off his 
|> wife's Blazer, and $2900 to do the same on a Hyundaihe already owned.  He put
|> $1200 toward car insurance, spent about $1K on a semi-automatic pistol and 
|> hunting rifle, and returned $2500 to a woman he had lived with briefly during
|> his separation with his wife.  
|> 
|> Hobert said he then went back to Rice for another $10K in May and $15K in 
|> June.  He said he traded in the '91 Camaro for a '92 Camaro, added a $4K
|> stereo system, and spent much of the remaining money entertaining friends.

Ah ha, now we're talking "Hard Copy" material!

|> GT

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:18:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.132751.4957@news.nd.edu>, 
>rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
>> 
>>I'd like to hear some opinions from loyal Canes fans out there. 
>> 
>>If Alabama stumbles and the rest of the top ten remains the same, do
>>you think the Mighty Canes will play an undefeated Texas A&M team
>>in the Cotton Bowl or, "chicken out" and play a once beaten Cornhusker
>>team in their home stadium?
>> 
>>		- inquiring minds want to know
>> 
>>			rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>I'm anything but a cane fan but it's obvious that Miami would choose to play 
>Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl because, even though unbeaten, A&M is nowhere near 
>the team that Nebraska is. Just look at any of the power rating systems that 

If Bama is beaten, oh how I hope Miami reads the power ratings and has the
same attitude you have!.

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>take into account strength of opposition. Sagarin has Nebraska # 1 and A&M much 
>lower. The interesting posibility occurs if both Alabama and Texas A&M lose. 
>Will Miami stay home to play Nebraska or go to the Fiesta Bowl to play ND, the 
>team they claim to want to play so badly. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:51:57 GMT

Alan Martin writes:
> Coaches don't seem to think this way, and I've always wondered why.
> Mason can win 6 or 7 games a year and be put on a pedestal at Kansas.
> Or, he could win 9 games a year and be flogged at Ohio State.

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Ohio State is so hot for
Mason.  Remember last time they went shopping... Cooper had experience
at a big name program, he was coach of the year, he had a Pac-10
championship, and he had beaten Michigan in the Rose Bowl (that's two
of Ohio State's top football goals in one game -- beating Michigan and
playing in the Rose Bowl).  

Mason has none of those credentials to my knowledge.  Mason's a great
guy, he's got Ohio roots, and he's a very good coach.  But he's not the
sort of established Big Name that Ohio State ought to be able to attract.

On the other hand, it's possible that OSU realizes...  no sane established
coach would consider OSU after seeing Earle Bruce's and John Cooper's
heads impaled on stakes at the palace gate.  Maybe OSU realizes that they
have to take a risk on someone with good potential (but maybe short on
credentials) if they want a to get a long, distinguished career out of
a coach.

I personally think they're better off sticking with Cooper than rolling
the dice.  But even if they DID decide that, it seems to me that there
ought to be several other candidates (e.g. Blackney and Mallory) who
are at least equivalent in their eyes.

> Not to mention that Ohio State *must* pay more than Kansas.

The salary for the head coach is of order $125k, but with the TV and
radio shows we're talking over a half million per annum.  There's a
little more to be made in outside endorsements, but I think OSU is
trying to clamp down on that.
--
Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's latest prediction
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:37:09 GMT

> In article <BxH0Kz.DK5@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane"  
Fawcett) writes:

> No way.  Corso is NOT a MIAMI fan.  He predicted Iowa , FSU and PSU would
> beat Miami.

And a fan would never, ever, predict that their team would lose...

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: MARCHING BAND CRAP
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:39:12 GMT

behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:

>I don't know why I am posting this, but I am sick and tired of all the 
>discussion about marching bands.

Wah -- we'll move it off r.s.f.c as soon as there is a better group
for it.  (As far as I know, the voting for rec.arts.marching.misc is
still going -- anyone know yet?)

If you don't like it, put "marching" and "band" in your kill file.

>Trojan Marching Band = BEST marching band in L.A. and WORST marching band in
>                       the world.

>Stanford Marching Band = MOST creative band in the world and most trouble-
>                         making band in the PAC-10.

>-Behzad

But thanks for that. :-)

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu


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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: conway for heisman
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:48 GMT

>
>I believe I read in today's paper that USC has started a media
>campaign to help him get the heisman.  I think it said that USC sent
>out mailers to 500 people/parties.  Is this legal/moral?  Has it been
>done before?  Funny, I was always under the impression you won the
>heisman for what you did on the field.  Later
>
>
>
>-- 
>Michael W. King     |  "I'm going to graduate on  |     (513) 865-1395   
>Mead Data Central   |  time, no matter how long   |     CAPRR Conversion
>P.O. Box 933        |  it takes"                  | mead!mwk@uccba.uc.edu
>Dayton, Ohio  45401 |      -- Rod Brookin         |    ...!uccba!mead!mwk

In this age of media hyping it would be an exception if someone won the
Heisman for performance on the field.

-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
From: landay+@CS.CMU.EDU (James A Landay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Washington vs. Arizona
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:40:49 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
|> 
|> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
|> >      You have no doubt offended the woofing gods.
|> > Repent and pray for forgiveness.
|> 
|> 	If you examine the situation closely you will notice that the
|> Woofing Gods have already gotten the Huskies.  Do you seriously think
|> that the Woofing Gods would strike a team twice in a season?  

Sure, see Purdue...

-- 

James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:49:46 -0500 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nebraska beats Colorado
	<kitchel.721492736@manta>
Distribution: usa

>>"Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>do you not agree with?  Did you even read the original post?  

 In response Sid says: 
>	Probably not. I was interested in discussing CU-NU. I saw your
>name and thought you'd be discussing your favorite team: KSU.

What ever gave you that impression?  I am a CU alum, not from Kansas
State.  Why would I write a subjest heading Nebraksa defeats Colorado if
I was from Kansas State? 

	>Oh, you don't think that the behavior of a headcoach reflects
>on his school, conference and the game? I guess I differ on that!! I
>would direct your attention to buffie posts over the course of the
>last three years to get an idea of where some of the inspiration for
>my post came from.

I did not say that the actions of the head coach doesn't reflect apon
the school, it does not REPRESENT the school or the views of the people
attending that school.  I also think that his beliefs do not have any
influence on how well or how poorly he coaches a game.  Another point,
Boulder happens to be somewhat a conservative town as well. There is a
good mix of radicals and conservative people.  It is what makes that
town so great.  

I also do not think that you should lump all of us "Buffie" fans into
one category.  My post was rational and it was not derogatory to
Colorado or Nebraska.  It was just my opinion on the game, both good and
bad aspects of how Colorado played.  Granted I didn't say that NU played
well, but that point was obvious.  Besides, I didn't need to toot their
horn, they have plenty of fans to do that.  My post also had nothing to
do with gay rights or any other point of view other than football!  So
please take your views about stuff other than football to another
bboard.  It doesn't belong in rec.sport.football.college!

Susan Wagner
Colorado Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA

PS. I'm tired of this thread, will someone please find something else to
rag on.  The game is history!  We can talk again next year.  I'm hoping
the outcome will be different.  GO BUFFS!
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:40:14 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu
In-reply-to: crs@stein.u.washington.edu's message of 5 Nov 92 21:59:06 GMT

}} In article <1992Nov5.215906.9094@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
}} 
}} Now you see the big problem.  Meeks is a Boilerweenie.  All this time, and
}} we had no idea.  Chapin's security police must be better than we thought.
}} If Meeks hadn't let this slip out, who knows how much damage he might have
}} done.  I suggest you sick Debbie on him.

I see I'll have to have my Chief Security Officer, Dr. Jeff Burch, and
his Lieutenant, Mark Mitchell, pay a visit to Agent Meeks.  Boys,
break out the rubber hoses, grits, and okra (for there can be no worse
punishment than these...).  We cannot tolerate slipshod performances.

[ For you non-readers of r.s.basketball.college, don't even try to
understand.  It's not worth it. ]

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
   Brake your bike before the wall, or you'll break your bike upon the wall!

                  I meant what I said, and said what I meant.
           An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent. (Dr. Seuss)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Northwestern Missouri football--HELP!!
Originator: delarocq@c00080-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:30:33 GMT




   Does ANYBODY give me info on NWMSU's football team and what conference they
 are in?? Thank You!!! :)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: what if....
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:47:25 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov11.213613.12508@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:

| According to today's (11/11) Dallas Morning News, as an example, Miami
| would make $1.2 million more in pay-out from the Orange Bowl instead
| of the Cotton Bowl.  Then throw $700,00 savings in travel costs, and it's
| worth close to $2 mil for them to stay home.  Remember, football pays
| a lot of other athletic dept. bills...

The Sugar, Cotton or Fiesta should match the Orange payout for a #1 & #2
ranked game.  It's stupid to lose money as a team, just to make more
money for the bowls.




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From: $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: WARNING: PSU @ BYU
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Oct28.221337.18051@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
>Subject: WARNING: PSU @ BYU
>Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 22:13:37 GMT
>
>	There are many things you can NOT do on BYU campus, although you
>can do these things anywhere else freely.  Since my fiends and I are going
>to the game,  I would like to get some answers to the following questions:
>
>	1. What liquids we can NOT drink on BYU campus?
>
>	2. Can somebody smoke on the campus?
>
>P.S.:
>
>	Many BYU students and faculty members complained about the too-
>restrict standards.  The answer from the church leaders was: "It is NOT
>that BYU should change the rules.  If you don't like them, you should
>go somewhere else.  There are a couple of thousands schools in the 
>country."
>
>	Any information and comments are welcome.
>
>
>********************
>JLI,  PENN STATE '90
>********************
>
If you are posting from the University of Utah, why don't you come down and 
see for yourself?