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From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:44:29 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Aug19.133711.21534@rtsg.mot.com> sagerian@delphinium.UUCP (Steve M. Sagerian) writes:
>From article <22925@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, by dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero):
>> I always thought that the body used carbohydrates as its primary source
>> of "fuel".  It was only when the body depleted its store of glycogen that
>> it started burning fatty acids.  The byproduct of this process is
>> lactic acid, which starts to build up in the muscles...hence the 
>> pain and discomfort of "hitting the wall".  So, drinking caffeine
>> wouldn't necessarily conserve the body's carbohydrate supply.  But
>> if caffeine does increase the fatty acids in the body, then it
>> would increase the body's endurance since there would be more
>> available "alternative" fuel for the body to burn.
>
>DAN,
>I think your information is incorrect, the body uses its fat reserves for over 60 % (i think its closer to 70-75% but I ll play it save) of aerobic activity. Anaerobic activity ( the activity that builds lactic acid) uses 100% glycogen. It turns out that alot of runners do drink coffee to increase their blood FFA concentration and this does conserve their bodys  glycogen concentrations but it also can act to make you have to run to the portapotty.

Roughly speaking, the muscles burn 90% fat at rest and ~50% during
typical moderate aerobic activity. Fat burning has a relatively slow
ramp rate, so if you just jump off the couch and trot down the road,
you are mostly on glycogen for the first couple of minutes.  As the
length of exercise increases, the percentage of fat goes gradually up, for
over more than 4 hours.  This is probably a function both of
increasing fatty acid availability, and decreasing glycogen reserves.

If you speed up after warming up, the percentage of energy from fat
goes down.  Near the anaerobic threshold, the absolute amount of
energy from fat also goes down, possibly to zero.  Since athletes cannot
hold these levels for very long, it is difficult to get accurate
measurements, most of which require some steady state assumptions.

The primary effects of aerobic training are to move the anaerobic 
threshold to higher levels, and to use more fat at 'moderate' exercise
levels.  The use of glycogen for fuel is not anaerobic by definition,
only at very high exercise levels is glycogen 'burned' anaerobically.
-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
From: milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Nike Pegasus
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:47:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41328
Distribution: na
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

actually the air works pretty well, IMHO.  I ran two 100 mile
trail races in Pegusus, and did'nt have any problems.  BUT I
wore orthotics too.  They are a worthless shoe UNLESS you have
nice normal feet with a nice neutral gait. 

milt scholl.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall)
Subject: ultra run at Mohican State Park
Summary: did this race happen?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:59:49 GMT


Did anyone on the net run the ultramarathon that was to be held at or
around Mohican State Park in June?  I saw this on a list of ultras in
the Midwest and had given some thought to trying this next year.  I'd
like to hear about this course if anyone experienced it.

Thanks.

====
Rick

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: brown@ccit13.duq.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Soda Pop
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:35:39 GMT
X-Posted-From: ccit13.duq.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Does anyone have any opinions on Soda pop as a drink in General.

I drink maybe two 12 oz. cans per 8 hour work day, and sip water the rest  
of the time.  About 75% of the pop I drink is diet something or other.  Is  
this detrimental to runners.  I've often wondered if I should give the  
stuff up, or drink all diet or drink all regular.

--Jason
From: s342053@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: S P E E D !!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:14:28 GMT


G'day Mates!

	well im writting to you b/c i need some advice on building up my
SPEED!!

i do cycling and i play quite a bit of baseball.
My main priority is to build up my speed to improve my baseball!
i want the short bursts of speed...u know
					base running and i play the outfield!

Ive had maby people suggest many different types of trainning to build up my
speed.
i was just wondering what would be the most effective and productive way!


Question: does cycling assist in the build-up of leg speed?

Q: What's a good running shoe(grass..asphalt.....$100-$250)  ?

Q: what about weights...will they help...should i try to build up my speed
first and the concentrate on putting on muscle mass???


			thanks in advance..
					   jim.
			

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From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile in 46 sec.
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:14:04 GMT
Followup-To: 1/4 miles in 46 secs.
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

Keywords: 

You write :
> I did a 1/4 mile in 50 sec, walked one lap, did 1/4 mil in 48 sec,
> walked two laps, then did a 1/4 mile in 46 sec.


I assume you're joking with us. 

Even if your track is only 400 m instead of 1/4 mile I won't believe
your lap times, considering your weight of 245 lbs.

If not, go to the next competition and break the world record !

wolf
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From: zombie@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike York)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Nike's 4 sale
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:35:49 GMT
Reply-To: zombie@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART System Development

In article <92232.201756AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
|> I have an extra pair of Nike Air Structures. They were sent to me by Nike
|> and are untouched - size 12. They sell in stores for $110.

I just picked up two pairs from two different local stores for $79 a pair.
Apparently, Nike is no longer manufacuring Air Structures and is closing them
out.  Bummer.  It's a great shoe for me.

-- 
    Mike York                     
    Boeing Computer Services     
    (206) 865-6577              
    zombie@voodoo.boeing.com
From: ferjan@cwi.nl (F.J. de Vries)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Stride Angle
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:48:47 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

Being an inhabitant of the Lower Countries I missed the NBC
coverage of the Olympic Games. 
Can anybody explain me what kind of analysis this Stride Analyst was
making for NBC?

Thanks,
	Fer-Jan de Vries.
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: stomach upsets
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:51:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.running
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

I have started training hard again after 6 weeks or so off through injury and 
have got back to the stage where I am doing  a total mileage of about 40-50 miles   a week, with 2-3 quality sessions, but I am finding that after every 
interval session  my stomach is in absolute turmoil.

It is normally a couple of hours before I can eat. In the past this has gone
after the first month or so of hard training but it isn't very pleasant whilst
 it lasts. has anyone had/still got  a similar complaint or more importantly 
do they have a cure. I normally don't eat for 3 hours or so before these 
sessions.

	cheers
		Andy Weir
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Stride Angle Guru Offers Dough to sub-2:00 Marathoner
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:22:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Aug13.182231.13490
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <93568@bu.edu> navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria) writes:
>he's offering a million bucks if anyone can break 2 hours in the NYC marathon
>this year.  For times between 2:06 and 2:00, he offers money between $250K
>and the million.

>He apparently also is willing to teach his secret technique to anyone who
>wants if they sign a nondisclosure agreement and pay a _$150_ hourly fee.  I

 Sounds like a good return on one's investment: $150.00 yields $1,000,000.00
 How can you go wrong????

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.183539.12740@ctr.columbia.edu> brown@ccit13.duq.edu (Jason Brown) writes:
>Does anyone have any opinions on Soda pop as a drink in General.
>
>I drink maybe two 12 oz. cans per 8 hour work day, and sip water the rest  
>of the time.  About 75% of the pop I drink is diet something or other.  Is  
>this detrimental to runners.  I've often wondered if I should give the  
>stuff up, or drink all diet or drink all regular.
>
>--Jason

I don't have any data on the regular (non-diet) sodas, but I read
something interesting about the diet ones.  I forget the name of the 
book, but I'll post it later if anyones interested.  Anyway, it 
was pointed out the the reason all these new diet drinks are
poping up is that the artificial sweeteners are much cheaper
to produce than sugar based sweeteners.  The drinks are sold
for the same price, so net result to the drink manufacturers
is MEGA-PROFITS.  It has nothing to do with health or fitness,
just money.

The regular drinks just have sugar (along with all the preservatives).
So, I'd run off the extra calories from the sugar than drink
the synthetic stuff.

David

Xref: sparky rec.running:2313 misc.fitness:6805
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 106 seconds:  Correction.
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:31:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug19.013102.7626
Organization: Western Washington University

hpzg0650@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hale P Zengingonul) writes:

>  Are you sure about the distance? The world record for 400 meters is ~40 sec.
>1/4 mile is a little over 400m. If I were you I would check the distance
>again.
>						Pinar

Ahh, 	....make that 1 min 46 sec.   My girlfriend was timing me, and
I don't think she was looking at the min hand, though she swears she
was.   The only explanation I can think of is that I was one whole min. off,
(& rather embarssed to have posted this now) 
as the track I use is a standard 440 yards to the lap, to the best of
my knowledge.

Someone said the figure would have been reasonable for 380-420 yds, but
not 440, I'll check the specs for the track (and lane 3rd from outer),
but a missing minute seems to be the best answer.

  So solly.

Jim D

Follow up to alt.folklore.urban		;^)
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Summary: More of caffeine
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:49:50 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <lamontg.713838458@milton>, lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
> dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero) writes:
> >I've read that the caffeine in the soda is a great stimulant for your
> >runs.  I know people who drink coffee or soda to give their runs
> >that extra "kick".  So there might be some merit to drinking soda,
> >regular or diet.
> 
> Caffeine is a diuretic and can dry you out.  Lots of it + running also might
> lead to acute problems with your circulation which might offset the gains from
> the stimulant effect. 

I believe the 'benefits' to caffeine, if there are any, is that
caffeine has been linked to an increase in blood free-fatty-acid
concentrations. IF this is true, this would be of benefit to
marathon runners, since that would tend to conserve their
carbohydrate supply. That is, the body would get an additional 
amount of energy by using the free fatty acids, rather than by
converting carbohydrates (glycogen) to energy.

However, the studies seem to be conflicting as to whether or not
there is any benefit to caffeine consumption.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Xref: sparky rec.running:2327 misc.fitness:6842
From: brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.brian.714248810
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

banchy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Banchy thomas g (410) 461-2216) writes:
>This thread reminded me to ask a question I've been wondering about: for
>those people who have gotten reasonably big from lifting (e.g. Chris Long),
>and do some aerobic work on the side, what sort of running times can be
>expected for various distances?  I've heard that muscle mass affects
>running times even more than the weight would lead one to believe, but
>some actual data would be interesting.  Besides, I think this would be

     In the first 6-8 months of lifting, I could still run with the best
of them -- whether it be short or long (~10 miles) distances.  I've
gotten to the point now that my thighs rub together too much for me to be
quick at any long distances.  I also have to wear those satin bike shorts
when I bike or run.  Otherwise, the shorts bunch up in my crotch and my
thighs get rubbed raw.  I still run 5-7 miles a day, but now I'm just a
little bit slower.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: sb@mathcs.emory.edu (Steve Batterson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: HGH
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: sb@mathcs.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

With all the recent talk about human growth hormones being used
by top athletes could someone give a layperson's description of
how they aid an athelete and of the risks involved.

---
Steve Batterson     | sb@mathcs.emory.edu          PREFERRED
Emory University    | {decvax,gatech}!emory!sb     UUCP 
Dept of Math and CS | sb@emory                     NON-DOMAIN BITNET  
Atlanta, GA 30322   | Phone: (404) 727-7923

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Need help with Shin Splints
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:45:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Aug21.115905.3227@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov (Dave Severn) writes:
>
>      I am posting this question for my girlfriend as she is an avid runner.
>She is experiencing a great deal of pain after she runs from what she claims
>are shinsplints.

If the pain is on the front, outside (lateral) of the lower leg, it
is an anterior shin splint. The muscles that elevate the front of the
foot are injured.

If the pain is on the front, inside (medial) of the lower leg, it
is usually a stress fracture of the tibia.

If the pain is on the rear, inside (medial) of the lower leg, it is
a posterior shin splint. The muscles that supinate your foot (roll it
to the outside) are injured.

Regardless of the cause, shin splints can become nasty injuries that
sometimes take years to heal. In frustration, runners may go from
doctor to doctor looking for a more optimistic prognosis, but there
is none. There is an experimental procedure involving calcitonin
injections that looks promising, but this treatment has yet to be
published in the medical literature.

The point is, it is extremely foolish to ignore pain, and continue
exercising, as if pain is a normal part of a good workout. Your
girlfriend must quit running entirely, until she can run with
no pain. She must also cease all other physical activities that
contribute to the pain. She has to take this matter very seriously.
From: jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: marathon
Keywords: deek and mona
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:00:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software

Hi there,
saw a query on where de castella and moneghetti placed - deek was 26th and
mona somewhere around 40 something. bothe needed medication - deek was on a
drip for an hour or so, and mona took a while to surface. Lots of speculation
here on why it was run so late, rather than early morning - how much of it was
shown live anywhere anyway? The commonwealth games in Brisbane last time it
was run at about 7am start. how about the back markers who couldn't get into
the stadium because it was shut for the closing ceremony?????
jp
From: eesfd@gdr.bath.ac.uk (F Dudbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:40:38 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

>|>|> |> >|> How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon?

Here's another theory: 3-min kms correspond with 5-min miles.  By this I
mean, if you can run 9 mins for 3000, then you could expect 15 mins
for 3 miles.  If you can do 30 mins for 10k (wish I could!) then you could
expect 50 mins for 10 miles.

Agree? Disagree? Does the analogy extend to slower pacing?

-- Frank
From: dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:58:34 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering Labs

In article <1992Aug12.183539.12740@ctr.columbia.edu> brown@ccit13.duq.edu (Jason Brown) writes:
>Does anyone have any opinions on Soda pop as a drink in General.
>
>I drink maybe two 12 oz. cans per 8 hour work day, and sip water the rest  
>of the time.  About 75% of the pop I drink is diet something or other.  Is  
>this detrimental to runners.  I've often wondered if I should give the  
>stuff up, or drink all diet or drink all regular.
>
>--Jason

I was also drinking about 2 cans of regular soda per day.  I finally 
decided to kick that habit and went cold turkey and stopped drinking
the stuff altogether.  I lost about 10 lbs in a month.  I think
that the sugar in the soda is what contributes to the weight gain. Since
I've lost that "excess baggage", I feel lighter during my runs and my
running times have improved.  I don't know what effects drinking
diet soda will have.  I would imagine that since it doesn't have a high
sugar content, it wouldn't contribute to any weight gain.

I've read that the caffeine in the soda is a great stimulant for your
runs.  I know people who drink coffee or soda to give their runs
that extra "kick".  So there might be some merit to drinking soda,
regular or diet.

--
============================================================================
Dan Guerrero : dguerrer@rigel.hac.com     |  All science is either physics
Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering      |  or stamp collecting.
   Laboratory				  |     - Ernest Rutherford
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: sweat
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:03:40 GMT

Is it possible to drink so much water everyday, that the body becomes
so accustomed to the never ending supply, it begins to function as
though it really has a never ending supply?

Since the body thinks it has unlimited fluids, then during exercise,
the body "generously" sheds water to cool itself, dehydrating the
individual and losing needed trace minerals much faster than is
necessary.

The real problem occurs when trying to stay hydrated for an endurance
event with a limited water supply; the body continues to shed water too
fast.  And even with an unlimited water supply, the stomach cannot
absorb the water nearly as fast as the body is shedding it.
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:23:37 GMT

In article n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>I did a 1/4 mile in 50 sec, walked one lap, did 1/4 mil in 48 sec, 
>walked two laps, then did a 1/4 mile in 46 sec.
>
>I have no idea if these are good times

Very good, especially for someone who hasn't done any serious
running in 7 years and has gained 90 pounds in the interim.  So
good, that you should make sure that you are actually running on
a full 1/4 mile track?  Several school "tracks" around here are
shorter.  Not that the numbers are really all that important, but
if you are going to measure, it's nice to be sure.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
Xref: sparky rec.running:2300 misc.fitness:6772
From: jwmorris@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jeff Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: jwmorris@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jeff Morris)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I would agree that you are in good shape if you can turn a 50-second
quarter-mile without training.  That would have bested our high school
record when I was in school.  From the description of your runs, it
didn't sound like they were full-out sprints, which is just what that
sort of time would require (not to mention a bunch of natural speed!).
Either you are REAL fast, your watch is broken, or your track isn't
a quarter-mile.
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: advice for hamstrings
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:57:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


  I hate to say it, but REST is about the only thing that will cure
  ham string injuries.

  VERY gentle stretching with NO bouncing helps and so does fairly deep
  massage.  As I'm a bit into b  pain, I like Rolfing... it hurts like
  hell, but does seem to break down scar tissue.

  A switch to swimming will keep you aerobically fit, and kicking will 
  give your abdominals and quads a fair work out till you can get back 
  on the trail.

  Running surfacr is important too.  Soft and o forvgiving is the best.
  Run through the woods if you can.  Not only is it good for your brain,\
  and soul, it's easy on your legs.

  Leg curls with weights helps, but start light unless you've been lifting
  for a time.

  Anyway, let me know if you get better.

  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu