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Subject: Re: Just came back from watching Buff'
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:45:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug12.175514.18521@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>In article <4537@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>
>>Hey Ken, there are no vampires that I've seen in cinema that didn't flinch
>>with the sun, but didn't you read Matheson's "I Am Legend"?
>	Thank you, Laurel dear, for giving me the opening to pump
>	this book again. _I Am Legend_ is one of the very best
>	vampire books ever written, and certainly one of the most
>	fantastic horror novels of all time. If you haven't read


I just finished it last week, and I thought it was excellent. You're welcome,
Darin!
			Laurel

	

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                                                  there in the light---
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:58:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.142337.1819@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>In article <kuehnel.713696426@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel) writes:
>> 
>> please excuse my ingnorance, but: What is the name of the novel/tale
>> behind the Frankenstein movies? And is there a true story behind this
>> novel? Where did the real Frankenstein live, where did he die?
>
>The original Frankenstein (yes, that was the name of the novel) was written 
>by Mary Shelley.  She established herself as one of the first significant 
>female gothic writers of the 19th century with it.  The fiction behind the 

Andrea, this was a good synopsis, and I like the explanation of why Shelley
wrote the book. By the way, Ken I forgot to mention that if you haven't read
Shelley's "Frankenstein", you should. Shelley is a female author that I can't
believe I forgot to mention!
				Laurel
 
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laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: markf@atlastele.com (Mark Ferris)
Subject: Re: The Stand Movie
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul15.104913.3121@otago.ac.nz> paulstg@otago.ac.nz writes:
>> 
>True.  And "It" was so long and detailed, that even a miniseries cannot
>really combine the essentials and yet keep it running at a normal
>pace.  I found "It" to be, like most of King's book-movies, hurried.
>The other part is the happy-endings modifications...the kid surviving in 
>"Cujo" for example.  Anyway, I guess the movies are just not designed for
>people who have read the books.

I don't think that I've ever seen a King movie that I actually liked.
They don't seem to get the attention they need from the producers.  Some
have even been awful (The Shining was, I think, Nicholson's worst
performance that I've ever seen).  I think it has a lot to do with King's
style, which is very wordy, and very introspective.  A lot of the action
occurs inside a person's head.  Misery was probably the best carry over
to a movie that I've seen, because it reflected the action very well,
and even managed to portray some of the mental anguish going on.  It,
too, though, wasn't able to fully show the impact of the book because
the book got into the head of the writer.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Some other authors
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:45:33 GMT

In a recent alt.horror article, ROHAN TREGEAR wrote:
>
>It must be because I am a mere lad-of-an-engineering-student that I found 
>this "puerile drivel, adolescent wish fulfilment" so entertaining. You see, 
>I read books to *be entertained*. I know that is hard for some people to 
>believe, but its true. I don't spend my time analysing the presence of token 
>female characters, or attempting to define the authors motives for this or 
>that scene, or any of that shit. 

Guess what? I read books to be entertained, too. I also find books
which are rife with misogyny to be annoying and unentertaining in 
the extreme.  It is rarely a case of analysing the presence of token
female characters. Sometimes, misogyny or a political agenda just
leaps off the page and ruins my enjoyment of a novel. If that happens,
you can be sure I will mention it when I speak about the book to
others. As in "It was very well-written and the action was interesting,
but I was really annoyed because the author never really described
the male characters physically, but he always mentioned what size
breasts each female character had". Now someone who doesn't find that 
annoying might well have been able to read the book without noticing
this "feature". But I promise you that just because I noticed it would
*not* mean I had gone looking for it.

>Unless a book is a no-action 
>piece of crap or a heard-it-all-before slog I will invariably like it and 
>consequently recommend it. 

In other words, you are not terribly discriminating about what you read.
That's fine, because you are obviously getting pleasure out of your reading.
But that's also something I want to know, because it helps me evaluate
your recommendations.

>If this doesn't work for you then that is hardly my problem. 

True, but it *is* my problem if I expect that your recommendations mean
anything more than "it wasn't a no-action piece of crap". Thank you for
elucidating your standards.

>Try to use your imagination, huh.

I do. And I prefer that the authors I read do, also. 

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The dark half
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:56:00 GMT
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria

In article <Bt8opB.Iss@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acscehw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ELIOT WINER) writes:

   ( -- text skipped --)

|> 
|> I agree with what you said about the Dark Half being a more action driven
|> book, but change is a good thing.  I find it amazing that King can write

   From reading your script, I can't work out whether you like the fact that
 King changes his style of writing, whether you liked that particular style
 of writing, or both.

   If you liked that style of writing, pickup on the author Richard Stark, who
 in most ways is the basis for King's author character in 'His Dark Half'.
 Be warned, though, Starks typical character (Parker) is much like Alexis;
 he is both amoral and built like a tank, and is a professional criminal
 by his own choice alone.

  Starks crime works are also very amoral; if you don't like that sort of thing
 then stay away... but then again you may like it, given that you liked
 'His Dark Half'.  

  Oh yeah, for those who are interested, I believe that Stark is a psuedonim;
 his real name is Donald Pendalton( ??? ).  As DP he authored comedy crime
 like 'The Hot Rock', which was made into a film (same title) with Robert
 Redford.

  Sorry about the deflection from horror; this is alt.horror after all.
 I hope this, in some way, helps NightRaven and/or Jared Dahl.

                                      Owen
From: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX

I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
that was any good is Twain.   

Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The dark half
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:10:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug10.223700.20504@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>In article <wB2aPB4w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>|>      From at I heard, George Romero directing the Dark Half was supposed to
>|> make it a slam-bang film.. With an actor like Timothy Hutton in the lead, I
>time describing action.  The writer in the book (Thad) was a representation of
>himself (ie, using a pen name, writing books with more action).  As I read the
>Bachman Books, I realized that these were more action driven than other King novels and correlated them with the "action-spy-thug" books that Thad wrote in
>the Dark Half.
>Any opinions?

I got the same impression. Although I didn't feel that way when I read
"Thinner" (you didn't mention it, and I didn't assume you were referring to it
when you talked about the "action-spy-thug" books). I found "Thinner" to be a
little dull compared to King books written under his name, but I really liked
the idea of it.
				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: RE : Laurel's *FLAMES????????*
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:46:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria


   Laurel writes :- 

I>n article <6841@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>>      Unfortunately, it seems that a few people out there are obsessed with
>>  a *very* select number of authors (Koontz/King...), so I figure that I'll 
>>  liven things up with a few names I consider worth reading.
>>     Well, enough works...  But again I'd appreciate to see some scratchings
>>  from others out there on worthwile authors, especially any newcomers to the
>>  genre.  You have my thanks in advance.
>
>
>I've said it before, but I'll say it again: you are not under obligation to
>answer (or read for that matter) any messages on things you don't like to
>discuss. Someone else, about a month ago, complained about the discussions of
>Stephen King on here, but they didn't bring up any new subjects: at least you
>did. I will also point out that way after I was sick of the discussions of
>"Alien III" on here I still never bitched about people wanting to discuss it. 
>Freedom of speech?
	>			Laurel


      Normally I would not respond to something like this, but I figured
   just this once I'll speak out ...

      First of all, I agree entirely with what you say.  In a democracy,
   every person is entitled to his or her own opinion, and I have no more
   right to criticise that anyone else.

      However, having said that, it seemed to me that any discussion
   seemingly focused on a select set of images (in this case King et al)
   could (and maybe has) discouraged or prevented others from speaking 
   about what actually like.  I simply felt that if I raised a few authors,
   that others would respond ( and they have ).

      I do not criticise anyone for there likes or dislikes, and thank
   Laurel for responding.  Hopefully others will be likeminded.

                                Yours,
                                The Mighty O
                                (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: Hellraiser III
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:23:03 GMT

Does anyone know the *actual* release date of Hellraiser III? And is that what
it will be called?

-- Alex --

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: Salem's Lot 2
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:31:47 EDT

In article <BssqvH.57J@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>BTW, Night Shift also contained a prequel, set about 150 years before, 
>indicating that there has always been evil in the Lot.  The same book 
>had a story that might take place during The Stand, just after the 
>disease kills almost everyone.

	I was never sure if "Jerusalem's Lot" in _Night Shift_ was
	a strict prequel to _'Salem's Lot_.  I just think he used
	the same name.  King wrote that story in college, as a
	writing assignment, and did it as a tribute to HPL. It's
	basically King's reworking of several Lovecraft motifs,
	and is heavily indebted to "The Rats In The Walls." Check
	out the last line of the story, and see if you get the joke.

	The plague story, "Night Surf" is the first germ of the idea
	that grew into _The Stand_.  It was that story that led, in
	part, to the novel. 

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What is "Horror" (was Re: Koontz, McCammon, Saul
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:15:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Rpywr*Mj0@luser.UUCP> mikeg@luser.UUCP writes:
>In article <4688@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, Laurel A Povazan writes:
>
>> I think Darin has a very good point. What _is_ horror, anyway? I think it's a
>> question worthy of discussion. What do you guys think?
>
>I think horror is anything that disrupts our "normal" lifes.  Humans are
>creatures of pattern.  Disrupt it and you nine times out of ten some form of
>fear will manifest itself.  This is a rather broad definition of horror, but
>horror itself is broad.  One man's horror is another man's delight. :-)
>Kind of goes along with the idea everyone has their own personal hell.  Good
>horror finds a way to tap into that and take you to the edge.

I like this definition. 
			Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary 2 2 2 2 2!!!
Keywords: Is this a joke!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:45:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <4934@calmasd.Prime.COM> rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark) writes:
>
>   I was just out to lunch, and I heard a promo. for SK's Pet Sematary II,
>   and I almost went nutso. I know that Stephen had nothing to do w/ this
>   one, 
>   -[Russ.


I wonder if it has a subtitle...maybe that would be "The Return of Rachel" or
something along those lines. Why do they have to do this?

			Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
From: abw@bucrsb.bu.edu (Al Wesolowsky)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: M. R. James
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:29:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Aug12.043758.29422@morrow.stanford.edu> AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu (SHOPS) writes:
+In article <1992Aug10.235553.16211@bmw.mayo.edu>,
+tcg@mayo.edu writes:
+>I gather that most of you out there are Americans. But did anybody of you ever
+>read some of the short stories by M. R. James (England, 19th century) and if so,
+>what did they think?

+M. R. James - excellent.

I concur. "Casting the Runes," "The Mezzotint," "The Tractate Middoth."
Great stuff. I would date James more turn-of-the-century than 19th,
though. 


-- 
Al B. Wesolowsky         abw@bucrsb.bu.edu      Chresmology
Boston University      arc9arn@buacca.bu.edu   (cheap rates)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Graham Masterton (was James Herbert)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:18:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.054445.17070@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams) writes:
>
>In a previous article, laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) says:
>
>>
>>I liked "Slugs" and "Breeding Ground" the best so far, but I am into
>>nauseating horror as well as the other kinds, so if you are opposed to it, I
>>wouldn't read the above two! I have the same problem only with stacks of
>>unread books as opposed to just one or two!
>>
>
>Did you ever see Slugs the movie?  I'd never read slugs but did read
>Breeding ground.  
> 
>
As an aside, I utilized _Slugs_ the movie as basis for how splatterfilms
reinforce sexist stereotypres.  Got an A.  Slight spoilers follow:


Okay, the "main" girl goes to the halloween party.  Her boyfriend pressures
her into having sex, but she refuses.  Disgusted, he leaves her, and
she goes off.  All the while she was being stalked by a creep in a mask.
He pounces on her, with intentions to rape.  She fights him off, and runs
away.  But by running away, she falls into a sewer opening, and gets 
eaten by the slugs.
	This sends a rather clear message:
		1)  Had she submitted to sex with her boyfriend, even though
			she didn't want to, she would still be alive.
		2)  Had she submitted to the _rape_, she would still be alive.

So once again, we see a victim caught in a double whammy "damned if you do..."
situation.  If the book contains this, I probably wouldn't want to read
it. 

-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_ 
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel)
Subject: Some weird shit <-- (Can I say that?)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:02:13 GMT

Well, the other day, I was sitting down, reading my newspaper, when I read one
of the strangest thing I think I have ever read in my *LIFE*(barring fiction).
Anyways, the story is as follows:

Apparantly, there is this guy camping out in front of Staphen King's house in
a van with the words "Stephen King killed John Lennon" painted in large letter-
ing on either side of the van.  This man is going around Bangor, handing out
*PAMPHLETS* describing how he came to this conclusion, and other such rantings.
Just thought you people might like to know this...

BTW, I just got a handful of books by Robert R. McCammon, I've read "Stinger",
and I liked it alot, what do y'all think I should read next?

Thanks and goodnight,
Avi F.

-- 
==============================================================================
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Think about it.
avif@maxine.wpi.edu
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: My dear Laruel!!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:24:23 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     If you will get a copy of Steve King's, "Danse Macabre," you will find a
VERY lenghty write up of Harlan Ellison, the genius who usually writes only
short stories.
     Among his best known short stories:
          A Boy and His Dog
          I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
          Jefty is Five
          The Deathbird
          Croatoan
          Paladin of the Last Hour (made into a New Twilight Zone episode)
          "Repent Harlequin!" Said the Ticktock Man

     You can find, "I Have No Mouth.." in a book of short stories of the same
name, as well as in a HUGE retrospect called, "The Essential Ellison."
     Among Ellison's better books of short stories;
          Strange Wine
          Shatterday
          Angry Candy
          Deathbird Stories.


     I beg you to PLEASE go out and read some of his stories.  Whether you love
them or hate them, you won't go away unscathed.


phluuke@maria.wustl.edu

--
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:25:22 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug9.125231.14163@newshub.sdsu.edu>, melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa ) writes:
> 
> --
> (Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa)
> 
> Hey!
> 	This is Mike again. I was just wondering if anybody
> out there could tell me what the "new" release of "The Stand"
> was like? I only read the first version, and from the ads on
> t.v., there seems to be quite a lot of stuff in this new book
> that was left out of the original. I haven't been able to get      
> ahold of the new one yet, and was curious as to what had been
> taken or cut out of the first draft.
> 
> 						Michael Whittington
> 						mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu

Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
 As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  There are 
additions and strengthening of characters throughout.  One scene in 
particular that I thought did wonders for fleshing out Frannie Goldsmith's 
character is one in which she and her mother have an incredible exchange.  
Really paints Frannie's mother vividly as well as Frannie.  King also adds 
one of the craziest characters (Next to perhaps Annie Wilkes) I've ever 
read from him.  Unfortunately, I can't recall the name of the character but 
he's a nut case and I was amazed when I read it that King's editor(s) cut 
him from the original version.  I wondered if it had something to do with 
the homosexual rape scene involving the character.  Anyway, it's well worth 
the read and I strongly recommend it.  I think the new uncut version adds 
on several hundred pages, so it's like adding on another book.  Have fun 
with it.  Wish I could go back to my virgin reading of The Stand.  What fun
!

Andrea @ BVC