HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Christmas trees and such
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:06:00 GMT

Hi all! Well, we had an interesting experience this weekend. To
be brief, the plastic tree stand developed a crack, and our living
room carpet was saturated. If you have a plastic stand, and it
seems that the tree is 'drinking' a lot, check it out.
My 4 year old son is having a great time with the Star Trek Shuttlecraft
ornament, playing it over and over and over........ We'll see how
long mommy can stand it. 8-) At least it is temporary - the tree
goes away in a fair short time. 8-)
    Happy Holidays, all. BTW, my daughter wants to know when Kwanza
is this year, anyone know the dates? Thanks!
                           Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ahjarvis@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Agnes Jarvis)
Subject: Visitation Schemes
Organization: Someplace in the middle of nowhere
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:26:18 EST

My almost ex-husband would like to have this type of custody/visitation
scheme for our daughter who will be 3 on Jan 16.

He would like to keep her at his place for 2 weeks, then at mine for
2 weeks, etc.  He lives 5 hours from us.  We would each drive halfway
and meet somewhere for the 'switch'.  Means every other weekend....

You get the picture.  We spend most of our time with a 3 year old in
a car.  Not a fun weekend in my mind.

He says this means she would not forget him, and that he is a good
father.  I do not deny he is, and she is not forgetting him near as
I can tell.  I am not sure what is motivating this scheme.

To me this means she would need to belong to 2 daycare/babysitters.
She also would spend more time in the back seat of a car than I would
like.  I also am not keen on driving every other weekend.  I live
3 hours from the dropoff and he lives 2.  Means I drive a total
of 5-6 hours every other weekend.

Anna (daughter) is shy when she first is in a situation, even when we
visit her grandparents which we do each week.  I cannot imagine her
adjusting to different daycare situations.

He is a faculty member and gets many vacations which he says means
he gets to visit her.  He gets 8 weeks at Christmas, and tell sme
when it is convenient for him to see her.  Also gets several
full weeks off during the term, and all summer.  I am lucky that
I got her for the 2 days at Christmas, and then only because he
came over to visit with her at our house.  

I find that he does not pick her up on time, doe snot drop her off on
time, and that he will take her for a visit when it is conveneinet for
him.

I do not like the 50/50 time he has proposed, but am willing to listen
to what else is out there.  I would prefer something with her staying with
me all the time, and he can visit during his vacations, which
are long and numerous compared to what I get.  (Usual vacation and
national holidays off.)

Would people send me some thoughts on this and how to handle it?  We
are not yet through with all the legalities and I have found that
whe I say something, even only an idea, he takes it as fact and
has turned some things against me.  He also will tell me that I
need to think of Anna first and not what I want... but then he
is insisting on this custody scheme which I think is not in
her best interest.

Also, I am new to this, and would like to communicate with anyone
who wants to.  I can be reached at ajar@slumus.bitnet as I am
not sure how long I will have access to this account.

Thanks!
-- 
    
	               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	                    Agnes Jarvis
                         ajar@slumus.bitnet
Xref: sparky misc.kids:31272 soc.men:21892 alt.atheism:24565 alt.sex.wizards:4152 talk.abortion:53500
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards,talk.abortion
Subject: Speaking Of Being ProAirBorne....
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:57:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles,alt.sex,soc.veterans
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:

] In article <1hpas1INNohi@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr) writes:
] |> In article <KAYVAN.92Dec28172903@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
] |> >The question for the pro-circumcision camp: Are *you* really making
] |> >the decision for your kids, or is the culture you were born into
] |> >making the decision?
] |> Well, I'm only in favor of circumcision for my own son, not anyone else's,
] |> so I don't know to what extent that makes me "pro-circumcision"... but I will
] |> do it because God has commanded me to, as recorded in the Torah, etc., etc.
] 
] So, your pro-choice!  Don't like circumcision?  Don't have one!

My Ex_Father_In_Law was airborne.

His son turned out to get through not only jump school,
but through ranger school....

I wonder.... did his father corrupt his morals?

ciao
drieux

ps: ok, ok, so I'll admit it, my cousin volunteered
to teach at LRRP school.... It could be a gentic thing...


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

This is Not a .sigfile addendum to the Post.
You are just reading beyond the edge.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: cute things they say (7 yr old)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:58:00 GMT

Hi everyone! This morning, on the way into work I had both kids in
the car (not normal, but on school vacations the 7 yr old comes
to the office with me). Anyway, the 4 yr old started humming
about half way there, and the 7 yr old told him to shush. I told
her that he could hum, as long as it wasn't really loud. Of course,
in true little brother style, this led to more, deliberate, humming.
Jennifer (the 7 yr old) said, 'you sound like a musical instrument'.
I said, 'yeah, he sounds like a kazoo'. Jennifer then added, 'yeah,
a kazoo with an attitude!'.
                           Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.travel
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: wanted: hotel recommendations for Disneyworld
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:44:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Followup-To: poster

Howdy.  We're going to be going to Disneyworld soon with two kids, ages
3.5 and 6.5.  I'd appreciate any recommendations on hotels.  We'll be
staying in the area for two nights.  (Yes, I know there's far more to
see than just a couple of days worth.  There are other constraints on
our schedule.)

Thanks in advance, and reply by mail, please; I'll summarize if anyone wants.

		--Steve Bellovin
		smb@research.att.com
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Circumcision etc.
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:50:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu



>>I have nothing against anyone who wants to have their son circumcised for
>>religious regions. I mean, that is the only real reason for
>>circumcision.  
>
>>And that's good enough.
>
>
>How can religious reasons really be good enough either. What ever value
>(psychological or tribal) value circumcision at one time played for
>both Jews and Moslems is now long over. It is just a lock-step
>response to social pressure. 

Buttttt.... There are many, many religious practices that are of no "value"
other than as symbolic, or one of tradition. But a persons faith is a 
very personal thing. And any activity that is deemed important to the
traditions of ones religion is in my opinion their business and 
a good enough reason. It may not be a satisfactory reason to *YOU* but 
your opinion about how one carries out their religious "activities" is 
moot.
 
anne
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 21:26:46 EST

In article <1992Dec30.180706.5258@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com
(Mike Nelson) writes in reply to one of my postings:


   > About flossing teeth! I'm one of the lucky ones. My parents
   > removed each of my teeth as they came in.  I never have to floss
   > and my gums are perfect, although somewhat retracted.  I enjoy
   > food and I have been assured by numerous doctors that the
   > flavour of food is in no way diminished. I certainly don't want
   > to have to take care of my own childrens teeth and have decided
   > to remove theirs as well.

   > I only wish my parents had removed my hair follicles[sp?] when I
   > was born so that I wouldn't have to wash it all the time. It
   > serves no purpose that a toque doesn't. (like a mitten for your
   > head; [tuke pron. like puke]).

   > AH! Bald and toothless. Man, I'm living now.

AH!  A sense of humor!  What a relief to find someone with a sense of humor
in the middle of what has become a flame war.  I laughed until I almost peed
when I read that one.  Great job Mike, even if I disagree with you.

And as a matter of fact, I've been telling people that one of the advantages
of going bald is that it gives me less to do in the morning in the way of
combing my hair (and I've given thought to just shaving it, but I suspect
that that would actually be more trouble to take care of than the current
closely cut do I have now).

Ah...if people could disagree with me as joyfully as you have, I'd have more
fun with some of these topics.  Let this be a lesson to the rest of you.

Cheers!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: haas@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (zygmunt.haas)
Subject: CVS vs Amnio file
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:57:25 GMT
Followup-To: haas@vax135.att.com
Summary: need CVS vs Amnio file
Keywords: CVS Amniocentisis

Hello,
I remember some time ago there was a discussion in this group about the
pros and cons of CVS and Amnio. Did anyone save that discussion in a file?
Could you e-mail it to me?
Thanks.

Also, if anyone has more (or newer) information about the subject,
please e-mail as well.

Thanks and have a happy Holiday Season.

Z.Haas.
haas@vax135.att.com
or
haas@research.att.com
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From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita M. Wiltberger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cute things they do and say
Date: 22 Dec 1992 09:52 -0800
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: quark2.aero.org
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Last night Allison (2yo this past Nov.) put her ornament on the tree (I'm 
running late on everything this year) and it is a Baby's first 
Christmas.  It is the one of a baby in a walker.  She was sooo excited 
about helping to decorate the tree and that the BABY is her's.  While 
we were still decorating I spot her on the other side of the tree with a 
bottle in her hand and asked her what she was doing.  Her response was, 
"I'm feeding the baby, she's hungry!".  The rest of the evening I 
listened to her telling me about her baby and how the baby was hungry!  
We let the three girls decorate and I sure cringed when the 2yo and 3.6 
yo had breakables in their hands.  Fortuneately Bruce handed them that 
type only twice.  They did the lower branches and the 10yo did the upper 
half.  Makes for an interesting looking tree.

Rita Wiltberger
wiltberger@arecibo.aero.org


Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: world,public
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:47:56 GMT

In article <BzL3Fv.Bwp@news.iastate.edu> polly@iastate.edu (Y. B. Normal) writes:
>AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!
>
>I have heard enough about circumcision.   I have even quit reading this 
>group for a week and half because i was so tired of it and i start reading
>it again and the articles are still here!!!!!!!!  this discussion has been
>going on ffor upwards of three weeks now and it's getting to the point where
>it's becoming a discussion of should i or shouldn't I circumcize my child.   
>maybe this discussion should go to misc.kids or even have a group discussion 
>formed called misc.circumcision.     
>
>at least the anal sex discussion is about sex.    
>
>
>
>Paula 

Hear, hear!  I've learned more than I ever needed or wanted to know
about circumcision.  Let's start kill this thread, please.

SD

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Stop Grabbing Your Penis!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:05:45 GMT


My 3 year old son seems to spend an awful lot of time grabbing
his penis.  My wife used to tell him to "stop grabbing himself",
but to be absolutely clear we've switched to "stop grabbing
your penis".  Sometimes he does it when he has to go to the
bathroom (no surprise there), so we also ask him if he has to
go potty.

It's been going on for about 3-5 months now, and seems to appear
moreso in stressful situations (like Friday's Christmas "show"
at pre-school).  At first we were hoping he would outgrow it,
but it seems to be continuing on, and maybe getting worse.
We try talking to him, and it gets nowhere (but then again, he's
the least cooperative of our 3 kids, anyhow).

I tried asking him once *why* he was grabbing his penis, and he
said, "Because it makes it bigger".  Uh, well, yes, I suppose it does.

Does anybody out there have any suggestions on how to curb this
undesirable behavior (at least in public).

Many thanks,
Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:16:51 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

A comment for what it's worth ...

Disclaimer: I DIDN'T say "we're pregnant" when my wife was pregnant.  I'm too
picky about the English language, I guess.

Claimer: Most of my friends, acquaintances, health care professionals, and
downright strangers were much more determined to downplay my role in the
pregnancy than my wife and I were.  I went with my wife to all of here
pregnancy checkups, and I was always the only man in the office (except
for one of the obstetricians).  The (female) receptionists, nurses, and
doctors ignored me or talked around me to my wife.  The sole male partner
of the practice was the only one who appeared to believe that the father-
to-be might have reason to be included in the discussions.  At the hospital
after my son was born, the nurses trained my wife in detail on changing
diapers etc. and ignored me.

What does this have to do with anything?  Maybe nothing, maybe I'm just
whining.  But just as surely as I'll never be pregnant, none of the women
who find "we're pregnant" irritating will ever be treated in quite this
manner.  Yes, I know, I'm comparing apples with watermelons.

Also for what it's worth, my wife found this "ignore the father" behavior
just as bizarre as I did.

--- father of John L. Culhane III, who is not named after me, so let's
    see how long it takes before somebody tells me I can't call him that.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.131744.14414@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.173429.5492@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>[snip, snip]
>>>
>>>As I've said before, I'm glad I circumcised because it makes body
>>>maintenance so much easier.  Sure, some of you have said that taking care of
>>>an uncirucmcised penis isn't that difficult, but let's face it, I don't
>>>remember to floss every morning and that's supposed to be easy too.  I gave
>>>up on wearing contacts because as easy as they were to deal with, they were
>>>more complicated than just reaching for a pair of glasses and being done
>>>with it. 
>>
>>These are reasons for *you* to be circumcised, none of them are reasons for
>>you to have your son circumcised.
>
>	What an illogical statement.  I mean on WHAT OTHER BASIS
>	would someone make a judgement about something other than
>	personal experience?
>
>	"Have *you* washed *your* brain today?"
>
>-- 
>	Alan Yasutovich

About flossing teeth! I'm one of the lucky ones. My parents removed each of
my teeth as they came in. 
I never have to floss and my gums are perfect, although somewhat retracted.
I enjoy food and I have been assured by numerous doctors that the flavour
of food is in no way diminished. I certainly don't want to have to take 
care of my own childrens teeth and have decided to remove theirs as well.

I only wish my parents had removed my hair follicles[sp?] when I was born
so that I wouldn't have to wash it all the time. It serves no purpose that
a toque doesn't. (like a mitten for your head; [tuke pron. like puke]).

AH! Bald and toothless. Man, I'm living now.

Mike N.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:03:42 GMT

nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:

>In article <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>   So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
>   circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?

>I'd say that you hadn't considered that the circumcision could turn into
>an emasculation.  It happens, it's scary.  Well, it scares *me* anyway.

>--
>--russ 

Right, and let's not forget that when someone goes in to have heart
surgery they sometimes remove a lung by accident. 
 
 Give me a break, shit happens. This is such a trivial procedure...
 Though I suppose the Doctor(s) might accidently sneeze and remove
 both testicles and a nurses eye in the process.
  
Sheesh...
From: judy@core.rose.hp.com (Judy Smith)
Subject: Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:41:16 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Does anyone have the Barbra Streisand Christmas Album?  There is a song
on there about "the best Christmas present I ever got, was sometimes dry
and sometimes not, sometimes pink and sometimes red..." etc, etc.  Try 
listening to THAT without getting misty-eyed !!


Regards (sniff-sniff),

Judy Smith
Erik's Mommy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:25:51 GMT

In article <C01EGM.C48@encore.com>, dhaibach@encore.com (David R. Haibach) writes:
|> In article <KAYVAN.92Dec29014143@satyr.Sylvan.COM> kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:
|> >In article <C002FG.1zz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
|> >
|> >   Is it true that many americans,irrespective of relegious
|> >   or ethnic background  have their newborn sons 
|> >   circumsised today?  If this is indeed so, what are the
|> >   reasons behind it?
|> >
|> >   I would appreciate any information given on the above.
|> >
|> >For a very long time, the pediatrics association was pro-circumcision.
|> >They reversed their stand on circumcision for some years recently and
|> >then once again took a mildly pro-circumcision stance (even though
|> >most pediatricians will tell you that there is no medical benefit to
|> >having a circumcized penis).
|> >
|> >It would seem that the reasons for most circumcisions today are rooted
|> >in outdated religious or cultural values, or in Dad's unwillingness to
|> >have his son look different from him (or his son's peers). The medical
|> >information about circumcision is getting out there, and is mostly
|> >overridden by whatever the "normal practice" is for the family, given
|> >their history and culture and religious background.
|> 
|>   I am glad you included the words "it would seem". That is your opinion.
|>   It appears that you feel that anything "old" or "established" is therefore
|>   automatically outdated and irrelevant. While I take no stand on trying to
|>   convince others one way or the other on this issue, as it is a parental
|>   decision (at the moment), I do take issue with the premise that anything
|>   "new" or "modern" is automatically better. Just because people have had
|>   more time to think about something and become "enlightened" does not prove
|>   it's value over time. (with all due respect to the thousands of studies
|>   done every year on everything one can think of)

It would seem that not circumcising males would be the "old" and
"established" way of doing things.  It has been fairly recent in
the history of mankind that circucisions began.  In this respect,
it is "new."  I am thinking that perhaps this new custom has run
its course.


|> >It all comes down to tradition and culture. Medical information has
|> >little to do with the decision.

It seems to be thus in the U.S.A.

|> >			---Kayvan
|> >-- 
|> >| Kayvan Sylvan, Sylvan Associates, kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM, (408) 978-1407  |
|> >| Consulting, Training, Development, SysAdmin, {BSD,SVr3,SVr4} Unix Systems  |
|> >| "Think Globally, Act Locally." "Only you can make your dreams come true."  |
|> >| Proud Dad of Katherine Yelena (born 8/8/89) & Robin Gregory (born 2/28/92) |
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> 
|> Dave Haibach
|> dhaibach@cshu.encore.com

Mike Noonan
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Lying to children
Keywords: Santa Claus
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:34:21 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences


I remember, as a youth, being told that if you tell one lie, you will probably
find yourself telling more lies to cover up the first one.
I am reminded of that when I read about parents who have to come up with
new Santa Claus stories to cover up for problems with the initial Santa Claus
lie.

It's kind of odd having strangers push their stories about Santa on my son,
but at least I have the truth on my side.  I would be more uncomfortable if
all I had was a conflicting lie.

It seems to me that telling lies undermines any attempt to encourage children
to be truthful, and would violate my .signature file.

-- 
Every child shall be treated with complete respect.

Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St., Room 3355
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.