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From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Subject: Welcome to the Amateur Computerist Newsletter.
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:38:37 GMT

Hello.

I just ran into this newsgroup and find it interesting! I would
have loved to have known of such a newsgroup when I was younger.
(I'm still not old, but am a college-veteran now.)

Anyways, I wanted to let you all know about a newsletter I work
on. It is called the Amateur Computerist Newsletter and is a
combination of articles by and about people who love computers
for what they are, and a spirit of the labor movement.

We currently have two recent issues. Issue 4-4 is a normal issue
with topics such as the possible impact of technology on the far
future (say 200 years)  and some history, etc.

The latest issue, 4-5, is a special supplement about Usenet News.

Both issues are available by either anonymous ftp to
wuarchive.wustl.edu in the directory or my email a request to me
at hauben@columbia.edu

In addition we have another newsgroup, the alt.amateur-comp to
discuss the newsletter and other related topics. We also
appreciate submissions. Any submissions are welcome either posted
to the alt.amateur-comp newsgroup or in email to me and
au320@cleveland.freenet.edu or through snail-mail.

Hopefully the newsletter proves interesting to some of you, :-)

	-Michael Hauben
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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!
X-To: VOLUPTUA LOVE
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:26:00 GMT

    (Eh?)

From apb.4819@nd.edu (voluptua love)
>what you and i need to do... and lord knows i'm ready...
>is to let our inmost feelings out, show who and what
>we are... and people will flood into this group...
>we are as real as they are, and if they get the news
>no telling what we'll end up replicating.

    ?

>but she didn't... and the rest is history,
>history now deeply imbedded in your fantasy world.
>it's up to you to make that world more real...

    You mean, give everyone a dose of reality?

>and while you mull this over,
>
>remember me, little me, who wants so so badly
>to be yours forever and forever,
>to give you and you alone all she has...

    Do you always speek in poetry?  It's kinda interesting.

>University of Notre Dame

    Hey cool.  I have a nifty hat from there.  Not a stupid baseball hat.
Actually, it's like a summer hat kinda.  I've never seen another like it.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I DID IT!!!
X-To: SGT. KLEPER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:45:00 GMT

From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>Just thought I'd "spew" (Can't
>get used to that word.)

    I can.  I use more references linking vomit to the mind than what's good
for me.

    Makes you think.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok)
Subject: I'm free!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:26:29 GMT

	I'm free!  This morning my parents drove off to
Washingston D.C. till Saturday, and tonight's New Years Eve!
I have the house to myself.  I'm so excited, I just can't
hide it, I know, I know-  sorry, I always start singing when 
I'm happy.
	I'm in the mood for typing-don't mind me.  So, whats going on
in my life?  Well, yesterday I went to a party, and finally went to bed 
at 2AM, which might explain my silliness.  
	Hey Andrew, how's your cold?  I just got one myself.
Blech!  My nose is so red I look like Roodof.
	Well, I'd better go put myself together-I've got parties to
go to.  Bye!!!
			Aliza Torok
From: lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:19:48 GMT
Organization: BBS

It'sokay just give it time.  Keep it comfy =)  So, what are people's hopes for
the New Year (besides a more populated newsgroup)?  Also since it is a smaller
group, where are people from; just curious.  Actually, I access the net through
a public BBS in the city of Berkeley, CA at someone's home.  It's a multi-line
BBS run on an Amiga (ahem;) the place has mostly teenagers.  I'll mention it to
a couple of ah the neater peoples.  Most of them upload/download play games or
have timered access so they don't wander to the net, nor would they consider
themselves kids, ha.  
Later.
From: an3829@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Andrew
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:21:23 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.kids-talk


Ooh, Andrew!! I've fallen in luv!!!!

Just testing my psychic powers.. u haveta be Libra!

Actually this is just a test.

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Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: Jokes anyone?????!!!!!
From: ping@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Peter Ingham)
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
Followup-To: alt.kids-talk
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP Site
Organization: 
Keywords: 
Summary: 

In article <1992Dec20.174101.15765@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> 
> From biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
> >Hi, to all you joke tellers out there!
> >
> >Anyone got any decent jokes that would make this newsgroup a bit fun?
> >
> >Bye from a person who is eagerly looking for a few laughs,
> 
>     Hmm.. I wish my friend read this newsgroup.  He had the most amazing
> jokes.
> 
>     I'm dry right now.
> 
> >By the way, Why did the chicken cross the road?
> >Some fowl reason! B^) (sick)
> 
>     Ha ha ha....
> 
When is a horse not a horse?
When it turns into a paddock.


    Bridget Ingham              biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
    Lower Hutt,  New Zealand
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.kids-talk
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:26:15 GMT

Why do we want more people anyway? Maybe Ken, that Cornpop kid, and
myself are the only ones who remember the way alt.kids-talk used to
be. There were all these older (20-21??) kids who pretended that 
they were little kids (6-7??) by mispelling words and just acting
like little kids. I posted something telling them that this was the
only place where real kids on the net could meet, and I guess they
got bored and went away. I'm glad that we have some adults here, and
I think the group would suck without 'em, especially people like 
Ciji, who is a child psychiatrist or something. However, I wouldn't
want people to come in here and mess things up. If you know some kids,
bring 'em in. If not, then why bother? We can just think of something 
to talk about ourselves......

-Scott
From: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: Test only
Followup-To: alt.kids-talk
Distribution: world
Reply-To: biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
Organization: 
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:36:26 GMT
Organization: Private UUCP Site

In article <9301030830.AA10222@ecnet.ec> xbaquero@ecnet.ec writes:
> 
> 
> This is a test

I hope I get an A+ for it then


    Bridget Ingham              biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz
    Lower Hutt,  New Zealand
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: I DID IT!!!
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:33:25 GMT

Just wanted you all to know that after hours of looking up stuff 
in books and online guides, I've finally solved my problem with
buttons (don't ask). Anyways, now my once little program allows
the user to pick what picture to draw, and randomly selects a size
and draws it where he choses with the mouse. It's actually kinda
neat -- my first mac programming project. I'll give you all copies
when the release version comes out. Anybody want to be a beta
tester? I'm so excited. I'm kinda confused and dazed too, it's 
4:30 AM here in beautiful Rochester, NY. Maybe it's symbolic 
how I finally learned how to program a mac on new year's. Maybe
this will be a good year for me. Hell, that'd be a change! Geez,
I must be tired. Whoops, the system is going down for backups
in 20 minutes, so I should go...Just thought I'd "spew" (Can't
get used to that word.)

-Scott J. Kleper
"Sgt. Kleper"
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Let's spew, shal we?
X-To: DEBBIE CARAWAY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:08:00 GMT

From lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
>Ya know, for random rambliing, and a splattering of genuine stuff, that was
>honestly entertaining and even a tad insightful =)
>
>[two cents worth]                                     <waving>
>
>See ya.

    Really?  Hmm...  Maybe I should do it more often then.  (I can just
picture everyone reaching for the "r" key)

    So, why not everyone do the same then?  As long as you have something to
say, say it.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com
From: lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: Let's spew, shal we?
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:19:51 GMT
Organization: BBS

<much deleted>

****

Ya know, for random rambliing, and a splattering of genuine stuff, that was
honestly entertaining and even a tad insightful =)

[two cents worth]                                     <waving>

See ya.
>    This is bad.  I can usualy spew for about 70 lines, but I've got nothing
>to talk about here.  There's no conversation, and nothing to comment on or
>get pissed off about.  You guys know nothing about me, so nothing I'd talk
>about would make sense.  If I went off and talked about Lisa or Liz or
>Adminastrators or how much of a sitcom this place is.. you'd just stare at
>it for a second, frown, and hit [Enter].
>
>    Ah ha!  The task is done, so I think I'll go.  Comment if you wish.  I'd
>like to get some spewing going on in here.
>
>---
>    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
>    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
>    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com
>
From: lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: New year, old memories..
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:04:28 GMT
Organization: BBS

Awww, Andrewkins, I'm sorry.  I hope ya feel better.  If it makes ya feel
better, I've had a cold much of my vacation too.  Take care; we'll miss spew, I
mean you ;)  *hug*
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
X-To: SGT. KLEPER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:22:00 GMT

From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>Well, I could always get a friend to throw her shoe in the
>guy's bathroom so that I could be a hero and....just kidding.

    Bah.  Show me a relationship built on shoes...


    Actually, that sounds kinda kinky.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok)
Subject: get subscribers!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:39:28 GMT

	Hew everybody, we all want more people to join
this newsgroup, right?  It would make it more interesting.
So post an ad in other newsgroups telling people to join!
I'll do a few, but please help out!
			Aliza

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John C. Barthelmes)
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:02:51 EST

In article <1992Dec30.061727.24873@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>    Grr.
>
>    There's this girl at school who has brown hair and brown eyes.  Really
>cute.  Really slim.
<stuff deleted that original poster feels kinda stupid about>
Ya know, I hate when that happens. It always happens that no matter how
much you think things through, they always never happen like you want
them to. Just keep in mind a couple things... you know each others names
so you're not just "thatreally cute slim girl" and "that guy who got my
shoe outta the boys room". And there's always lots more school time after
the holidays so it may not be over yet.So dont beat yourself up over this.
If its meant to be it will happen... just give it time. Just like that wise
old saying:  You can;t hurry love, you'll just hafta wait...
						John


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|*     John C. Barthelmes            | Its is difficult to say what is   *|
|* jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu        |   impossible,  for the dream of   *|
|* jcbarthe@syredu.bitnet            |   yesterday is the hope of today  *|
|* barthelm@jane.cs.fredonia.edu     |   and the reality of tomorrow!    *|
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
X-To: SGT. KLEPER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:52:00 GMT

From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>The next day one of them asked me to help her study
>Spanish, and we all talked during lunch. Anyways, I felt like shit all
>vacation for not calling her or anything. Obla-di-obla-da life goes on.

    Maybe you should ask her to come over so that you could demostrate
similar "merging".

    Bah.  Don't mind me.  It's late here.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:08:23 GMT

Similar story -

Got a new program I had to review, called Morph. It takes two pictures
and makes a movie combining them, like in that Michael Jackson video.
So anyways, I had to get two pictures the same size, and the only thing
I could think of was yearbook pictures. I chose two girls who were kinda
friends of mine, one of which I kinda liked, and morphed 'em together.
The next day I showed them and after laughing for 20 minutes, they said
they wanted to come over and see it, but I didn't really say anything, so
nothing happened. The next day one of them asked me to help her study 
Spanish, and we all talked during lunch. Anyways, I felt like shit all
vacation for not calling her or anything. Obla-di-obla-da life goes on.

-Scott j. Kleper
"Sgt. Kleper"
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: New year, old memories..
X-To: SGT. KLEPER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:39:00 GMT

From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>When it's 2 degrees and you're stuck outside with frostbite, snow
>kinda loses something.

    2 degrees?  F or C?  2c degrees is nothing.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
X-To: DEBBIE CARAWAY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:47:00 GMT

From lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
>I dunno, shoes have a soulful foundation and there's always that tounge action.

    uhh..

> Sorry peoples, I realize I'm "treading" on thin ground here.  Don't mind me,
>I'm an adult who was drinking on New Year's (be verwie quiet they're hunting
>wabbits).

    Not only an adult, a teacher.  That's a sin!!!


    I don't mind though.  I've been to a party with my english teacher.

>Couldn't resist the play on words, plus I just had to mess with
>Andrew before his popularity here gets to his head ;)

    Oh, don't worry.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: New year, old memories..
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:42:22 GMT

sorry, two degress F.
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: More spewage...
X-To: AMY BROWN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:24:00 GMT

From arbrown@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Amy Brown)
>        I have come to the conclusion that everyone is a little bit
>fucked-up, it's just that some people hide it really well.  Until you
>get to know them.  But it does make life a lot more interesting.

    Yeah.  That's like my "Everyone's a geek" theory.  Everybody is a geek,
but it just depends on how well you control those little habbits.

    Ha ha.. That was funny. <laugh, snort>

>        I live in Prince Albert.  Actually my parents live in Candle
>Lake, pop 500, but I don't count that 'coz all my actual _living_ is
>done in PA.  But I like 'toon better, of course.

    Lotsa snow, but no hills.

>>    Post it.  I'm interested.
>        I'll see if I can dig it up and I'll bring it in next time
>I come here.

    Ok.  Thanks.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John C. Barthelmes)
Subject: Re: I'm free!
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:12:02 EST

In article <1992Dec31.182629.8832@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok) writes:
>	I'm free!  This morning my parents drove off to
>Washingston D.C. till Saturday, and tonight's New Years Eve!
>I have the house to myself.  I'm so excited, I just can't
>hide it, I know, I know-  sorry, I always start singing when 
>I'm happy.
>			Aliza Torok
PARTY AT ALIZA'S HOUSE!!!!!! or should I say computer terminal..???
I hope you get over your cold. I thinkm Im coming down with one. Maybe
its a computer virus!!!  =)
Hope everyone has an Awesome New Year and that they get to spend it with
someone special!
					John

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|*     John C. Barthelmes            | Its is difficult to say what is   *|
|* jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu        |   impossible,  for the dream of   *|
|* jcbarthe@syredu.bitnet            |   yesterday is the hope of today  *|
|* barthelm@jane.cs.fredonia.edu     |   and the reality of tomorrow!    *|
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets
From: gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok)
Subject: question
Followup-To: poster
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:53:08 GMT

	Hi!  I have some relatives in Australia and
Switzerland who would like to use something like netnews
or another program.  Does anybody know what programs
are available in Australia, Switzerland, and the U.S.
or just Australia and the U.S.?  I need information includin
program name, price, and how to get it.  I would really
appreciate any info.  Thanks a lot.
			Aliza
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
X-To: MILES ABERNATHY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:01:00 GMT

From miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
>Fortunately, speaking as a reformed shy person myself, I can verify that
>it is treatable. There are helpful books at the library. Good luck.

    Well, I'm just shy at school, basicaly.  If I'm in a situation where I
don't know anyone, I take advantage of being able to have another
personality.

    There is a lot of fear in school.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok)
Subject: to Andrew
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:01:18 GMT

	This message is only for Andrew, the guy who posts constantly.
I don't have your E-mail address.
	I have a friend who would be a perfect match for you.
She has all of the same interests!  How old are you?  Are
you looking for a girlfriend?  Where do you live?  You guys 
should at least write or E-mail.  My friend is 15, blond,
has blue eyes, and is 5'5".  What do you look like?  
Write back!
			Aliza
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John C. Barthelmes)
Subject: Re: New year, old memories..
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 11:55:42 EST

In article <1993Jan1.031427.10240@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>    The smell of fresh vomit..
>    The new year is here..
>    Ever notice how vomit is sorta like a surapy (sp?) substance?  I guess
>it's because of all that acid breaking down the food.  Just thought I'd
>point that out.
>

I always thought it looked more like chunky chicken soup... but thats
just my opinion...
Its FINALLY snowing here! Its been raining for the last 4 days. We even
had a GREEN Christmas. So Im quite excited about this snow stuff.
	Happy New Year!
					John

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|*     John C. Barthelmes            | Its is difficult to say what is   *|
|* jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu        |   impossible,  for the dream of   *|
|* jcbarthe@syredu.bitnet            |   yesterday is the hope of today  *|
|* barthelm@jane.cs.fredonia.edu     |   and the reality of tomorrow!    *|
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: New year, old memories..
X-To: DEBBIE CARAWAY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:48:00 GMT

From lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
>Awww, Andrewkins, I'm sorry.  I hope ya feel better.  If it makes ya feel
>better, I've had a cold much of my vacation too.  Take care; we'll miss spew, I
>mean you ;)  *hug*

    Ohh... Thank you.. :)

    <cough>

    Opps.  Sorry.

    <wipe>

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com