HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Mixed up translations
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:12:48 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Oct10.205405.23245@news.unomaha.edu>, torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>bogart@sabre.larc.nasa.gov  writes:
>> On a recent trip to amsterdam, I went on a tour boat around
>> the harbor.  The tour guide was doing her speil in Dutch,
>
>       She was playing on the boat?  (Speil is a German word)

No, she was skewering on the boat.  German Speil = English skewer; 
Spiel = play.

Bruce "Wie sagt man 'Touche!' auf Deutsch?" Tindall
-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Nylon (was Re: "Normal" body temperature)
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.034013.11393@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, Derek Tearne writes:
>
> My chemistry teacher told me that Nylon is named after New York and London.
> The story goes that the experimentors in New York got a different result
> from the scientists in London due to the difference in Lab temperatures.
>
> Neither group would have discovered nylon in isolation as the lab temps
> would be wrong for the part of the process.
>
> I believed this implicitly then but now I wonder. 

And I believed that nylons was developed by a US research team working for
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. (Head of the team was W.H. Carothers.)

I think I've heard a New York/London story, but that was based on the
ability to make a veeeery long fiber. Anyway, this should be food for
a.f.u and friends.

(And, there's even a group of singers named "The Nylons" for those who
 like the tree-sided ending to every thread.)

---
YuNoHoo  "but what does `nylon' mean in Chinese?"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Liz Claiborne/Oprah Winfrey UL
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:40:37 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <7127@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.021256.23476@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>It's bad enough that you go for the newbie bait, but then you use a smiley,
>>too.  Feh.
>
>	:)  :)  :-)  {:-)  :)  ;)  [:-|  :->  :)  :)
>
>	There! Do they work as well as a cross on you people?

You may think that you're safe now,  especially with all that lutefisk round
your neck but,  in all the best vampire films,  the really BAD vampires
are unaffected by crosses wielded by newbies.  Only those who have read 
the A.F.U F.A.Q realise the power of the smiley.
 
>	Like, what's your problem? The :) and related symbols
>substitute for a lot of the nonverbal cues that are not generally
>available over electronic formats.

True, but we make up for it here with wit, subtlety and history.

Non verbal signals are available for use with electronic media.  See figure 1.

ObUL:  The philledelphia military created a a newsgroup called 
alt.invisible.battleships 

The postings just kept fading in and out...

>                                 Sea Wasp
>                                   /^\
>                                   ;;;

Didn't I last see you all dried up and wrinkly on a beach in Australia.


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Subject: Re: Eskimo words for 'snow'
Originator: dewi@bcrks78
Reply-To: dewi@bnr.ca (Dewi Williams)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:57:21 GMT


In article <1992Oct10.211819.16261@husc3.harvard.edu>, rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) writes:
> >> In article <Bv5Hv4.Dp8@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
> >> "Cwm" is a wee mountain just outside the town of Rhyl in northern Wales, UK.
> >> Don't know what the word means though.
> >> 
> 
> 	According to Cecil Adams (printed in his first book, The Straight Dope)
> 'cwm' is Welsh for hill, and is pronounced 'coom'
> 
According to an ethnic Welshman (me), "cwm" is Welsh for a vale, or small
valley. My wife is from cwm Rhondda.

... Dewi Williams
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Floppy Disk Labels
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 13:10:57 GMT

In article <rdippold.718503321@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
> Electronic Arts, however, may have had the largest such fiasco when
> they shipped promotional copies of Deluxepaint III out in metal boxes
> (like cookie boxes) with refrigerator magnets.

Sounds like the time we received two credit cards in the mail at the same
time some pizza company mailed out a promotion that included refrigerator
magnets.  Of course the cards were demagnitized and we had to order
replacements.

Peter tried complaining to the company about it and basically got back that
it was a very successful campaign (he just said it was Pizza Hut -- talk
about your proverbial back seat drivers) and they didn't have any plans to
discontinue this sort of promotion in the future.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: License Plates and Prisons
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:17:43 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <6354@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.94745.5804@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>
>>The color of urine depends on a lot of factors not all of them to
>>do with health. Urine becomes darker and cloudier, for example,
>>if you urinate infrequently. It becomes blue for reasons I'd
>>rather not go into here...
>
>When I was a Masters student, one other the other MScs was given some vitamin
>pills by a friend. Finding that his urine changed colour, he asked someone
>else to try them --> me. My urine turned this amazing fluorescent (sp?) 
>green colour. 
>
>But when he asked me if anything happenned, I figured 'what the hell' and
>told him no.
>

Flouroscene die injected in your veins (in my case as a precursor to an 
eye test) is really amusing.  _Very_ bright flourescent pee - causes great
consternation in public toilets...


Derek "You mean yours _isn't_ flourescent" Tearne


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: What's lutfisk? + new UL (was Re: Liz Claiborne/Oprah Winfrey UL)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:23:11 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Oct16.164028.2021@hsr.no> geirj@hsr.no (Geir Johannessen) writes:
>In article <Bw2sy5.6xC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, duffey@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas Duffey) writes:
>> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>> 
>> >Lutefisk is raw herring (or is it cod?) fillets soaked in lye
>> >and served cold, often with lefse (a sort of undercooked tortilla
>> >slathered in butter, also cold). A holiday treat among Scandinavians
>> >and their descendants in Minnesota. Oh, sure, they complain about
>> >having to eat it, but they do it anyway.
>> 
>> 	It's cod.  Italians call this disgusting dish "baccala."
>> 
>> Tom Duffey
>> 
>
>First of all, you are both wrong.
>
>Lutefisk is not Scandinavian, it's Norwegian.
>(Norway+Sweden=Scandinavia) The Swedes have nothing to do with it.

My Swedish ancestors all violently disclaimed having any Norwegian
blood, but all were familiar with lutefisk.  The also all refused
to let lutefisk into the house...  I've never heard of lutefisk
being served cold, however.



One thousand Swedes ran through the weeds,
	chased by one Norwegian....



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Accuracy/Precision, just a simple correction
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:53:48 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: davew@willow03


In article <1992Oct11.031132.5670@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Blackplague) writes:
> No system of measuring (be it metric or other) is any more accurate then  
> any other.  Accuracy is only affected by the unit involved in the  
> measurement.  If I measure an item using a ruler capable of measuring in  
> millionths of an inch, I will get a more accurate measurement then if I  
> use a ruler that only measures in millimeters.  Likewise I will get a more  
> accurate result from a millimeter ruler then I will from ruler marked of  
> in inches.  
No, you will get a more precise measuement.  The best way I know of to think
of this is imagine a piece of wood 110 centementers long, but marked off in
1000 sections of all exactly the same size.  This is a very precise measuring
instrament, but not very accurate.  Now imaging an exacly 100 centimenter
piece of wood, marked off in 10 sections of all the same size.  This is a very
accurate, but not very precise.

-- 
Dave Wagner                                     Cray Research, Inc
davew@cray.com , uunet!cray!davew               655F Lone Oak Drive
(612) 683-5393                                  Eagan, MN  55121
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: 50 words for "Chevy Nova"
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:31:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct8.134811.26838@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>
>Bachrach said the trademarks of automobiles are now the "largest well-
>discriminated set of nouns" in the English language.  (He didn't say anything
>about the Eskimo languages.)  He said the average person can name about 22
>different colors, but can name and describe or give attributes of 50 to 60
>models of car.  Fifty years ago, he said, the largest such sets were the lists
>of names of animals and vegetables.
>

This seems very strange. I can list 9 number of _white_ colors, for
heaven's sake! Did they poll people that owned Crayola 500-crayon
sets?

And as for cars, I don't think I could actually _describe_ more than
five types of car, since that's how many I've driven. I'm
automobilically challenged. People ask me "What kind of car does she
drive?" And all I can say is "Uh . . . brown, I think."

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Ivory, Eggshell, White, Off-White, Alabaster, Bone, Cream,
Pearl, and Oyster White)
-- 
"Am I a drunken loon? Whoo! Whoo!"        | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
     -- David Letterman                   |  [Not a UCSD employee]
From: bobk@ESD.3Com.COM (Bob Konigsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Junk E-mail
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:30:48 GMT
Distribution: alt

I called up the company posting the junk e-mail, and they said
that they were originally unaware that doing this was a no-no.

They have since been severely chastened, and promise to never
do it again.

For the curious, they took the names from people who posted to
the PC/MS-DOS and MS-Windows newsgroups.

BobK

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Metrification Problems (was Re: "Normal" body temperature)
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.085612.2971@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>Anyone see the piece on recent shock TV about the dangers of the 5,000,000+
>GM pickups still on the road which are more dangerous than the similarly
>problematic infamous "exploding Pinto" (not KIBO) incidents. 

Actually, I like to go to Taco Hell and demand Pintos'N'Cheese without
cheese.  When I do that, ~ibo always orders some without pintos.

(It grosses Noah out that I mix iced tea with Orange Slice.  But then,
he EATS CHEESE!)
							-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: norlin@cougar.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin)
Subject: Pink lemonade?
Summary: How did pink lemonade start?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:56:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: pink lemonade

I was sitting at a cafe with a friend on Friday night, sipping lemonade.
The topic of pink lemonade somehow came up, and I thought I'd post to see
what a.f.u. readers have to say about its origin.  I read in a (very
unreliable) book that pink lemonade came to be because at a circus, a
clown happened to wash his red shorts in a bucket of water, thus giving
the water a pink color.  Later, someone who was in a rush to make lemonade
for the ever-thirsty crowds couldn't find any water except for that
one particular bucket.  (Likely story, huh?)  So he made the lemonade,
discovered to his chagrin that it was pink, then decided to sell it as
a novelty.

So.  How did pink lemonade REALLY come to be?

Norman
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Mink boners
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:24:25 GMT

In article <mcirvin.719095568@scws3> mcirvin@scws3.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
>>"This organ is variously modified morphologically.  Among certain mammals
>>such as rodents, bats, whales, some carnivores, and lower primates, a penis
>>bone, the os priapi or baculum (Figure 2 [yes, drawings of bones]), occurs,
>>increasing the rigidity of the penis."
>
>I read a long time ago that the raccoon's makes a good pipe cleaner.

Aren't they difficult to train?

jonathan "Watson!  My Calabash!" quist
From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Severed heads and consciousness
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:55:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen) writes:

> How could anybody possible know such a thing?  For the matter of that, how
> could anyone know whether there is consciousness in an unsevered head, e.g.
> mine?  Though at least in the unsevered case, there is the possibility of
> the head's telling you.  Do you think someone has got a willing grad student
> to have his head severed, having previously agreed to blink his eyes twice
> if he is conscious after the operation, once if he is not??

And if you filmed it, would it be a snuff film?  And what would you do
if you ran out of film just as the blade was falling?  How about if
you used the US government to distribute the films along with their
burgeoning kiddie porn catalogue?  Do cheerleaders try to do just one
more "rah, rah, rah" just after having their heads severed by
telephone poles?

--Scott "and what if you fed the victim Alka Seltzer just after the blade
fell?" Cromar
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Headless cheerleaders and other bits & pieces
Summary: Not uncommon
Keywords: accidents injuries
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:00:33 GMT
Expires: 11/7/92

Having helped stuff a few body bags, I can assure you that decapitation in 
accidents and plane crashes is fairly common.  Also, cases involving trauma to
the breastbone (usually a steering column penetration) frequently result in a
bizarre tableau with the heart hanging outside a hole in the chest, still
attached by blood vessels.  If you get there quickly enough, it might even be
still beating.  The liver often exits, too, but rarely remains completely
attached.

BTW, decapitation (when it does occur) results in incredible volumes of blood
being spouted surprising distances.  The rather sharp edge of a school bus
window would be perfect for making the kind of shear injury necessary for a
full decapitation, but the `phone pole would have to be VERY close to the bus
(about 6" or so) to make a clean cut at the neck.  A more likely injury is one
in which the top portion of the skull is crushed and most of the head above
the jaw line is reduced to a jelly-like mess.  This LOOKS like a decapitation,
but doesn't really qualify, since most of the head is still attached (but
unrecognizable).  The effect on the remaining passengers would be about the 
same, though, and they would probably THINK the victim had been decapitated
(since there was no recognizable head, even though most of the tissue was
attached).

BTW, it's a real bitch to walk along the edge of a road at night with a 
flashlight looking for the missing pieces.
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Women in groups
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:32:11 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Oct11.005059.6801@ulysses.att.com>, smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.003931.6772@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, andrewb@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Andrew Bevin) writes:
>> I have heard that if woman live in group's that their menstrual cycles
>> start to sync with each other.
> 
> The usual explanation is pheromones.  There is experimental evidence
> for pheromones emitted in synchrony with the menstrual cycle.  I recall
> reading in Science News (a very reputable science digest publication)
> of a study where men who wore masks smeared with vaginal secretions
> were asked to rate the attractiveness of various women.  (They were told
> that the masks were so that the women wouldn't respond to their own
> facial expresssion.)  Anyway, those men wearing masks annointed with
> secretions from ovulating women tended to rate all of the women as
> more attractive.

The statement about women's menstrual cycles seems factual, but the story
of this alleged "study" reeks of UL!  :-)  Could you cite the issue of SN?
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Celsius (could have been: "Normal" body temperature)
Keywords: Celsius Kelvin Reamur temperature
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians anf Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:16:52 GMT

I wrote:
>
> I guess this is the right place in this thread to insert the view that
> Fahrenheit is more accurate that Celcius.  :-)

...and I'll make penance by writing 1.000.000 messages to the net that
the name is spelled Celsius. Ok, ok, ok... Let's honour the old Swede.
(At least I didn't call it `Centigrade'.)

ObUL:    Anders Celsius didn't invent the Celsius scale.

ObFact:  Anders Celsius suggested a temperature scale where 0 was the
         boiling point of water and 100 was the freezing point. It didn't
         live a decade, but was inverted by Stromer (o w/umlaut). Another
         contemporary who's been credited the inversion is Linnee (did I
         spell that right?). The timeframe of these important events is
         1742-50.

---
YuNoHoo  "But isn't Fahrenheit is more accurate that Celsius?"
From: hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil (Dan Hoey)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Per O' Possum
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:07:51 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

On the National Radio Company last week, they did a skit called
``cooking with Perot'' in which the putative candidate showed how to
cook a possum (or, possibly, how to cook opossum).  And when they were
done, it tasted just like chicken.

ObUL: Ross Perot and Frank Perdue have never been seen at the same
      time in the same place.

Dan Hoey
Hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Yeast
From: rhamilt@husc10.harvard.edu (Rowan Hamilton)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:41:39 GMT

dignan@husc10.harvard.edu (Thomas Dignan) writes:

> 	Can one use yeast from a vaginal yeast infection to raise bread 
>or to ferment beer? It was recently suggested to me that there is a 
>distinct marketing possiblity behind products made this way.
--
>Thomas Dignan                          |   I am not a chutney ferret.

	Interesting. I just read an article on this in the Proceedings
of the Royal Academy of Anthropology. Evidently there is a tribe in Outer
Mongolia which uses just this method to ferment mare's milk. It produces
a highly intoxicating viscous drink, with a slightly fishy bouquet. The
tribe is known to outsiders as the "Meng Ha'Han", which means, in the 
language of their neighbors, "those with fishy breath".
-- 
Rowan T. Hamilton                         "To dig this is to groove on
hamilton@huhepl.harvard.edu                   hella shit."
hamilton@fnald.fnal.gov                   - Some random skate-punk.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer)
Subject: Old Food, was Re: nail in Coca-Cola
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:22:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.195147.23260@cs.ucla.edu> cardo@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Frederick Crabbe) writes:

>ric 'but that's nothing compared to the spaghetti we had stuck in a 
>     restaurant awning for over a year'

The pizza restaurant we used to hang out at while I was in high school
was a very large log cabin type structure with exposed logs on the
inside.  On night we were eating on the porch and while the waitress
was out, we put a piece of pizza on top of one of the logs near the
ceiling.  It was still there (tho' slightly dessicated) over a year
later.



-- 
Christopher M. Palmer --------------------------- Intergraph Corporation
palmerc@abulafia.b14.ingr.com ---------------------- Huntsville, Alabama     
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Canadian pennies
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.210435.12846@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
 
 [re: Canadian coins]
|> The nickel nickel was next to go, around 1984.  It's now the same silver-
|> colored, 75-25 copper-nickel, alloy that the US nickel has always used
|> and which is now used for most formerly silver coins in the US, UK, etc.
|> (in the case of the US, used only for the outer layers).
|> 
|> Higher coins are still 100% nickel, except for the loonie ($1 coin) which
|> is 100% nickel with a plating of "aureate bronze".  I have never seen the
|> metallic composition of the (gold-colored) plating, by the way, even in
|> places where I would expect it to be given.
 
 This is odd. If Canadian nickels, dimes and quarters are made of nickel 
or copper-nickel, why can I pick them up with a magnet?
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