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From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: TCP/IP over Decnet
Keywords: DECnet TCP/IP kinet openDNA
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:50:03 GMT
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <1992Nov16.131217.4484@cancer.DIALix.oz.au> dsc@leo.DIALix.oz.au writes:
|G'Day from Sunny W.A.
|
|	Probably not the right place, but I'm interested if anybody has any knowledge
|	of any products that do this. WMC has dozens of remote sites running TCP/IP
|	internally and all interconnected to VAXEN. We have to use kiNET to talk
|	between them , and I have managed to get a secure email transmission 
|	using dnamail, but would like to be able to get X and other things to
|	work across the gulf...
|
|+=======================================================================+
||  ,-_|\   David Scott-Courtland - Systems Software Engineer            |
|| /     \  Consulting to Western Mining Corporation			|
|| *_,-._/  Home: (09) 370 2303  LNO (090) 265 5479                      |
||      v   decnet:    lnos02::dsc    internet:   dsc@leo.DIALix.oz.au   |
|+=======================================================================+

  For X, you can use our dnxserver and dnxclient programs to bridge the
  gulf.

  You'd want to run dnxclient on a kinet node on the network the client
  is on.  You'd want to run dnxserver on a kinet node on the network the
  server is on.

  The connection would end up looking like:

  /Xclient/ -TCP/IP-> dnxclient -DECNET-> dnxserver -TCP/IP-> /Xserver/
                                                            
  dnxclient takes incoming X server display connections from clients and
  gates them via DECnet to a DECwindow display.  In your case, you might
  want that output to be another TCP/IP host.  So..., the dnxserver is
  run.  dnxserver accepts DECwindow connections and gates the X protocol
  to a TCP/IP [or local unix] server display.
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From: jneher@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Neher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.windows.x.openlook
Subject: Solaris 1.1 AnswerBook Won't Display on Solaris 2.0 xnews server
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

Hello again,

I'm running Solaris 1.1 (OpenWindows 3.0) AnswerBook binaries on a 4.1.3 server
and setting my display to my workstation running the Solaris 2.0
(SunOS5.0/OpenWindows 3.1) xnews server.  The navigator comes up just fine but
when the navigator runs docviewer:

1. docviewer never comes up, although it appears in the ps listing
in state IW.

2. navigator is frozen with the stopwatch cursor. 

All other 4.1.3/OpenWindows 3.0 clients (run on the 4.1.3 system)
display fine on my workstation 
(even SunSolve 1.1 which is very AnswerBook-like).
I'm not sure I was able to convince the Sun support person I talked to
that I wasn't trying to run 4.1.3 client AnswerBook binaries directly
on my Solaris 2.0 system.  They were not able to explain to my 
satisfaction why what I was trying to do wouldn't work.  Can anyone 
else explain?  

Thanks,

Jonathan Neher


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From: broberts@wpi.WPI.EDU (broberts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Postscript ftping.
Summary: Moving a MAC generated Postscript file to SunOs.I
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:45:59 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


	Maybe you will be able to help me.  
First I must ask you to send all replies to 

	phm@concord.com

	Thanks - this is being posted by someone else.

I am trying to move a MAC generated postscript file to SunOs and
view/print it with PageView.  The problem I get is I don't get the
whole file.  I get the double line boarder, but not the postscript
text inside the boarder.

	I am not a MAC user and all I know about the program used to 
create the file is that Micro Soft wrote it. (I know real general)
  	
	If anyone out there can help me it would be much appreciated.

	Please remember to send all responces to 


	phm@concord.com


	Thanks in advance....


	Patrick Mullaney
	Systems Administrator
	Concord Communications
	Marlboro, Massachusetts
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: BSD Compat. Package under Solaris 2.x?
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:23:41 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.apps
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Is there a BSD Compatibility Package for the Suns running under
>Solaris 2.1/SunOs 5.x? We were discussing SysV in my Computer Systems
>course a while back, and it seems like BSD and Xenix Compatibility
>Packages were fairly common for all SysVR4 systems.
>
>We'd like to go with a newer Sun platform, but BSD compatibility is
>important. Most of our users are not programmers, and would like to be
>able to compile/run most software as-is that they FTP.

auspex$ rlogin sloth
Password:
No directory!  Logging in with home=/
Last login: Mon Nov 16 11:23:23 from auspex
Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.0       fcs     June 1992
sloth% ls /usr/ucblib
libcurses.a       libucb.a          llib-ldbm         llib-ltermcap.ln
libdbm.a          libucb.so         llib-ldbm.ln      llib-lucb
librpcsoc.so      libucb.so.1       llib-lrpcsoc      llib-lucb.ln
librpcsoc.so.1    llib-lcurses      llib-lrpcsoc.ln   ucblinks.awk
libtermcap.a      llib-lcurses.ln   llib-ltermcap

(This is distinct from the SunOS 4.x binary-compatibility package; the
binary-compatibility package is done with an "ld.so" that will link with
old-style libraries, while the libraries in "/usr/ucblib" are new-style
- ELF, rather than "a.out" - shared libraries with routines that
presumably offer BSD-compatibile interfaces.)

Dunno if they have it in 5.1 as well, but they probably do.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:8475 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:6433 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:14827
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: IBM Windows to Sun network -- How?
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:16:05 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


  We have a network of Suns running SunOS, an ethernet network, and
cisco and annex terminal servers providing RS232 ports. 

  A professor with an IBM-compatible laptop, who currently has a Sun
workstation, wants to use his PC instead. In particular, he wants to
be able to use his PC editor and send files to the Unix printer.
He will buy the needed ethernet card if we assure him that we can
connect him. His laptop is a high-end '486 running MSDOS and
MSWindows.

  We currently have a PS/2 on our net using an ethernet card and NCSA
telnet, but this only emulates a terminal. We are looking for
something a little more sophisticates, such as we have for the mac.
 
Any recommendations? I will summarize back to the net. 
thanks, Betsy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: szymon@uci.agh.edu.pl (Szymon Sokol)
Subject: Re: what is prestoserve??
Summary: prestoserve on alternate bus...
Organization: University Of Mining and Metallurgy
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:16:09 GMT

In article <98@ddn-wms.nmi.com> wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker) writes:
>From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
>Subject: Re: what is prestoserve??
>Summary: prestoserve on alternate bus...
>Date: 17 Nov 92 20:23:23 GMT
>
>in 4.1.2, you could set BOUNCEIO option and have VME Prestoserve handle
>the Sbus-SCSI controllers.  i found this one while upgrading my 470 to
>a 670 MP.  the machine ran _significantly_ slower as an MP.  the fix was
>to enable a memcopy feature allowing controller-controllers to cross the
>bus lines.

What about the opposite? Can Sbus Prestoserve handle IPI (VME-based) disks?
How efficiently?


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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:36:26 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Nov19.142814.19110@penny.cs.fredonia.edu> mazumdar@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Jin Mazumdar) writes:
>	I was shocked to hear my Sun sales  rep  tell me that  the new
>Sun  machines  will not even  run  Sun  OS.

I assume you mean "will not even run SunOS 4.1.x", since SunOS is the only
OS that Sun will be supplying.  The new machines will run SunOS 5.0, which
is part of Solaris 2.0.

Almost every new Sun system has required some kernel changes, so they don't
usually run old releases.  For instance, I don't think the Sparcstation 2
can run SunOS 4.0.x or earlier, and no Sparcstations can run SunOS 3.x.
Basically, when Sun makes the changes to support a new system, they put it
into the release of the OS that will come out when that system does, and
then it gets carried forward to new releases.  I've never seen them
retrofit the support into old releases.
-- 
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System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: borchert@titania.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Andreas Borchert)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.083114.14306@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, weingart@inf.ethz.ch (Tobias Weingartner) writes:
> Yo Sun, how about providing that outdated 4.1.{2,3} source for free on the
> net?  Common, what have you got to loose?

SunOS is based upon sources from AT&T -- they cannot make it free even
if they would like to.

Nevertheless, while NeWS will probably not supported any further in
coming Solaris releases (see recent discussion in comp.windows.news),
I don't believe that they are going to give their source of xnews for
free like XView and olwm.

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_______________________________________________________________________________

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Internet: borchert@mathematik.uni-ulm.de
From: chris@lslsun4.epfl.ch (Christian Iseli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,ch.sun-managers
Subject: ___builtin_saveregs
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:23:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

I just compiled a patched version of XView 3.0 with shared libraries.
This time, I used gcc to do the job. Went fine, but now I have this
application (for which I don't have the source) which won't start as ld.so
complains about not finding ___builtin_saveregs.

I know that if I recompile the shared library with Sun's cc, the problem will
go away. However, I'd like to stick with gcc and find another solution.

Can anybody help me?
-- 

					Christian Iseli
					LSL-DI-EPFL
					Lausanne, Switzerland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rogerg@bluemoon.use.com (Roger Grywalski)
Subject: Using an HP monitor on a Sun...
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:37:53 EST

Is it possible to use an HP98785A color monitor with a a Sun3/260?

 This is from
     rogerg@bluemoon.use.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: pk@cs.few.eur.nl (Paul Kranenburg)
Subject: Re: ___builtin_saveregs
Reply-To: pk@cs.few.eur.nl
Organization: Erasmus University Rotterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:54:07 GMT

In <5171@disuns2.epfl.ch> chris@lslsun4.epfl.ch (Christian Iseli) writes:

>I just compiled a patched version of XView 3.0 with shared libraries.
>This time, I used gcc to do the job. Went fine, but now I have this
>application (for which I don't have the source) which won't start as ld.so
>complains about not finding ___builtin_saveregs.

>I know that if I recompile the shared library with Sun's cc, the problem will
>go away. However, I'd like to stick with gcc and find another solution.

I worked around this problem by making a shared version of `libgcc.a'.
This gets it past ld.so, but I noticed that some applications did not work
well with these shared libs. I didn't bother to investigate further; I just
went back to Sun's C compiler.

-pk
From: bsuggs@hac2arpa.hac.com (Brian Suggs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Keywords: C2 SECURITY
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:05:46 GMT
Reply-To: bsuggs@hac2arpa.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co.

Adam W. Feigin (feigin@iis.ethz.ch) writes:
> [At Sun's new product announcement a couple of weeks ago:]
> Ah yes, and then we had Ed Zander touting Solaris for his 4 minutes.
> Great speil Ed, but you (and your company) are not very good liars.
> There he was, claiming yet again that that Solaris has C2 security (he
> didn't say C2 security features, he said C2 security). If I was a
> litigating type, We'd be seeing a lot of each other in court. Sun has
> NEVER received C2 certification from NCSC/NSA. What he said was an
> outright lie (at least he was smiling when he said it, like a good
> used-car salesman).

I attended that product announcement and picked up, among other things, a flyer
titled something like "Introducing Solaris 2.1".  In that flyer, there was
brief mention of a product called "Sun SECURE" (I think.  This is from memory.)
It claimed to be bona fide, government recognized C2 security, not just the
"with C2 features" available in previous SunOS releases.

While I don't know any more than what I read in that flyer, I would at least check
it out before I start calling people liars.

-Brian Suggs
bsuggs@hac2arpa.hac.com
From: markus@arp.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Fast, yet SLOW FTP
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:36:07 GMT
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.7


Hi
   We have a (small) network of Suns dedicated to feeding our two
Connection Machines here. To make sys.admin easier, we removed NIS and
replaced it with DNS/BIND. Since then everything has worked fine, except...

I installed the "new" ftpd (variously called wuarchive_ftpd, and other sitenames)
which provides a nice amount of logging and user control :-). In all respects
it works fine, except... 

  When multiple files are wanted, or (sometimes) a directory is dir'ed, the
daemon appears to sit still, twiddling its thumbs, for quite a while. Once it
decides to serve the request it is very fast, xfers of a few 100 kB/s. But
in between requests it sits (apparently in I or IW state) for close to a minute!
Thus an mget of a large directory which should be painless isn't. 
  (1 minute... get the file (3sec)....1 minute.... get the next file (3sec)...)

Has anybody else seen this behaviour ? Is there a fix ? Any suggestions on how
to track down where/why it is idling ? Any help GREATLY appreciated. This 
behaviour appeared to start around the time we moved to the resolv+ system.

Cheers,
	Markus


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jakem@apex.com (Jake Mahon)
Subject: ucb/mail set backwards option
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:19:51 GMT

Does anyone know if the vanilla mail interface /usr/ucb/mail
has an option to display messages in reverse order (ie: newest
first)? Our SysV equivilent is "set backwards".

I flogged TFM without success, and have heard "/usr/local/bin/mush".

jakem@apex.com
uunet!apex!jakem
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:20:24 GMT

|In article <Bxt7Mo.4Ft@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> malte@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Malte Uhl) writes:
| Whatever you think about SysVr4, Solaris 2.x, ...
| You'll love it once you've had a look at AIX.

  IBM likes it so much they're dropping the SysV AIX in favour
of a mach/osf/ibm variant.  
  I'd suggest similar things to people with a choice.

--dave (would you prefer software from grad
	students [berzerkly] or salesmen [bell]?) c-b
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.x: resistance to it?
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:12:08 GMT

In article <rhoward.722106436@matd> rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:
>You don't want to change operating systems.  I assume this is 
>because of the learning curve and the cost of new software.
>
>So instead you will hang onto your Suns until you are forced to
>buy new machines from DEC (or HP or whoever) which *run a new 
>and different OS* !!
>
>Does nobody see the irony in this?

Sure.  Sun's big advantage is it's OS and homogeneous environment.  Now they've
taken that away and forced me to learn/maintain a new OS.  Considering HP and
others have faster hardware for less money, why should I buy the new Suns?

I have nothing against learning a new interface.  I've already gone from using
a vt100, to SunView, to OpenWindows.  I have a lot against being forced
to maintain 2 versions of stuff like perl, cvs, trn, etc.  Not to mention
AutoCAD and Viewlogics software.

Bottom line is I'll probably never run Solaris on my Suns.  When my boss says
"we need another machine" I'll either buy a used Sun, or a clone that runs
4.1.x, or bite the bullet and go with a different manufacturer.

Then again, I may get 3 months free sometime and convert everything over to
Solaris.  My users would scream and shout, but I'm used to that anyway :-)

jim

-- 
So many women, so little charisma.
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Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: db@sunbim.be (Danny Backx)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Reply-To: db@sunbim.be
Organization: BIM n.v. Everberg Belgium
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:04:54 GMT

cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft) writes:
>For most environments in which Sun OS 4.1.2/4.1.3 is currently running,
>System V is a poor replacement, with or without a compatibility package.
>These customers typically do not want a shrink-wrap capable system and
>are more interested in the Berkeley environment. When they find that
>System V, Release 4 requires rewriting hundreds of their shell scripts
>originally written under 4.1.X, even more additional conversion time
>must be budgeted.

I don't agree with you on several points.

1. It looks to me like you are comparing BSD derivatives with System V, but not
   SVr4. I haven't seen much of SunOS 4 functionality disappear in Solaris 2.0.
2. Porting from SunOS4 to Solaris 2.x, in my opinion, is NOT much of a problem.
   If you know a bit about UNIX and C portability then your code won't contain
   many problems.
   Obviously, there are lots of ways to get you in trouble. If you application is
   still running the 5+ year old SunView software, or something similar, which
   Sun has been telling you to get rid of for several years by now...
3. The networking utilities in Solaris 2.0, don't seem less powerful/useful than
   their SunOS 4 equivalents.
4. I don't know why you are expecting hundreds of changes to shell scripts. If you
   change the PATH then you should still be ok. /usr/ucb on Solaris 2.0 contains all
   of the good old commands. All shells are still there as well.
   Sure, /usr/etc has been renamed to /usr/sbin. Who cares ?
5. "... are more interested in the Berkeley environment" - Maybe you should have
   looked at the marketing hype for once. SVr4 is a unified environment in which
   Sun and ATT have attempted to support a wide range of SVr3, Xenix, and SunOS
   functionality.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I am also a BSD lover. I just don't feel that
Solaris 2.0 takes me far away from that. BTW I have been running Solaris 2.0 on my
workstation for several months now.

	Danny Backx
	System Engineer

E-Mail: db@sunbim.be    (or uunet!mcsun!ub4b!sunbim!db)

Telephone: +32(2)759.59.25	Fax : +32(2)759.47.95

Postal Mail :
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	BIM
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.protocols.nfs
From: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu (Aravind Shenai)
Subject: Help with NFS mounting
Originator: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Reply-To: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Organization: Biomedical Engg, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:42:18 GMT

Hi
	I am trying to NFS mount from an IPC running SunOS 4.1.1 (GENERIC_SMALL)on to an IPC running 4.1.3 (GENERIC_SMALL). Everytime I try a mount I get 
an error msg. saying

		      mount: access denied for server:/filesystem
		      mount: giving up on:
			 mount_point

On the same client I have been able to nfs mount filesystems from a third IPC,
which also runs 4.1.3. The server also exports filesystems to some other SPARCs.I have seen the various daemons running and also, the changes to exports and 
other files have been made. I am missing out something I know but... I would 
appreciate any help/pointers to solve my problem.

All the three machines are on the same ethernet and ftp, rlogin, ping all 
work fine. rpc. mountd, nfsd, biod, rpc.statd, rpc.lockd, inetd are all running
too.


Thanks
Aravind

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From: toomajia@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Toomajian)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:21:57 GMT
Subject: Sun CDROM on HP 750 Workstation
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin


Does anyone know if a Sun CDROM will work on an HP 750 workstation? 
Are all CDROMs alike?
Will it work with a standard HP CDROM driver?

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