HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Summary: Fish Food
Keywords: Passover
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 02:53:17 GMT

More notes from this year's "The Laws of Pesach: A Digest"

Try to get yourself a full Pesach guide.  There are varying
opinions on some of these items.

- Give your pet to a non-Jew without the condition that it
  be returned (trusting your neighbor's good sense)

- *Krill* brand fish food may be used on Pesach

("Krill" is in boldface - I don't know if that's a particular
 brand, or a type of fish food.)  

Other Fun Facts 

- Bounty and Scott Towels are kosher, as long as they have no printing
  on them.  BUT, due to the glue that's used, you can't use the
  first three sheets and the last three sheets 

- Elmers glue is acceptable.  Ross's glue is *chometz*.

- Coated paper plates and cups for cold food only

Don't Forget

- Write letters to representatives and call the White House
  (202)456-1111 to express your opinions.  I.e., loan
  guarantees, Syrian Jewry, Government Officials who make
  nasty comments about Jews...

--
Robert A. Levene     Internet: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu
  "/  //  / /"         Bitnet:   RXL1@APLVM
From: davis@dauphine.ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: talks.politics.mideast
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:31 GMT
	<1992Apr12.002009.24291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
	<kufdalINNlri@girtab.usc.edu>
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: jodar@girtab.usc.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 03:58:13 GMT


In article <kufdalINNlri@girtab.usc.edu> jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:

   What is obvious to anybody who knows anything about Islamic
   States and the history of the muslims is that:

   1) An Islamic State would be a nice thing to have;
   2) Islam has no more to do with 'Arabs' then Judaism has to do
      with 'Jews';
   3) The state of affairs in 'muslim countries' is unacceptable;
   4) The 'leaders' of the 'muslim countries' are in name only;
   5) There is currently no Islamic State....

Whenever anyone says of a proposed governmental system that "it has
never been properly implemented", you know it's trouble.

-- Harley Davis
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From: isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Equality (redefined)
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:57:10 GMT
Organization: RMIT Department of Computer Science

MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>>I am a scientist and am proud and perfectly confortable conforming
>>to a system that I believe in.

>YOU call yourself a scientist  I never did.  A "scientist" comfortable
>conforming?!

This really summarises you Shimshoni. You left off the last part---that is,
"that I believe in". Not a scientific belief Shimshoni, call it Emuna.
It would seem that you could do with a dose yourself, you see, Science
is not my G-d, it is part of my life and exists as a set of possibles
and plausibles. I don't subscribe to the view that science will ever
replace emuna and vice versa. I can see that Science may strengthen
or bring into question, but like me and you, Science is developing and
forgetting that fact and its ramifications is a cardinal sin.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: talks.politics.mideast
Organization: NetNews Readers Anonymous
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:21:07 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast

In article <1992Apr12.002009.24291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
ai726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alice Schubach) writes:

First she quotes somebody:

>>For your own information,if you were sleeping and just woke up, almost
>>most of the arabs recognized Israel, otherwise they would not be at 
>>the Peace Conference. It is Shamir's turn to get serious about it
>>and get it moving.

>For YOUR own information, the only Arab country that has recognized
>Israel is Egypt. That was during the administration of President Jimmy
>Carter, when Sadat took the daring step of going to Jerusalem to make
>peace. The Arabs are at the peace conference, but they definitely have
>not recognized Israel. This is simply a fact and is not a matter of dispute.

An interesting example:  Several Arab countries (in addition to Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait, let alone Syria) have recently insisted that other
countries that have telephone connections with Israel that therefore allow
calls from Israel to go through to these Arab countries, to cut that phone
service.

I'd hardly call that recognition....
-- 
Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Spain Rescinds Expulsion of Jews After 500 Years.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.011423.20317@scubed.com> hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.003942.11577@uceng.UC.EDU> mgoller@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Goller) writes:
>>I had heard that it was suspended in the mid 1800's (or was that the inquisition?)  Any comments?
>>Mgoller
>Are you thinking about the Inquisition being declared illegal around 1810
>in Mexico? I believe that this was the last remnent...
>In Spain, under Franco, I believe the expulsion was recinded but it was not
>deemed "real" because the monarchy had no input.

  According to an article in the 31/3/92 New Yotk Times (marking Herzog's
  participation in the 500th anniversary commemoration) the expulsion was
  rescinded in 1869.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:11:11 CDT


In article <sdubFXK00WBNA_cZ14@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Russ Anderson writes:
> 
> >EDS makes sure that prospective employees know about the dress code
> (suits, >short hair, no beards) and are willing to abide by that policy
> before they are >hired (which,IMHO, is not a whole lot different than
> making sure the >prospective employee is willing to program in COBOL, if
> that is what the job >requires).
> 
> Legally there is a concept of Bona Fide Occupational Qualification that
> states that a prospective employee must be hired based on qualifications
> that directly relate to his/her ability to do the job.  Most often
> BFOQ's are cited as defenses in discrimination suits.  In this case, it
> is quite clear that the willingness to program in COBOL could be a BFOQ
> when hiring a programmer.  When would a clean shaven face be a BFOQ? 
> When hiring a model for razor ads.  It's  difficult to show that a clean
> shaven face is a qualification for most jobs in the office.

I don't think that anyone with a marketing/sales background would have too
hard a time seeing the impact of not being clean shave has on some 
customers.  One thing you should keep in mind is that EDS started as a
company that provided on-site software services for IBM computers 
(employees dealing directly with customers that were used to the IBM suit 
and tie image).  Much of the EDS's business still consists of EDS 
employees working at (buisiness oriented) customer sites.

It should also be noted that EDS is flexable in that, at sites where there
is a relaxed dress code, employees are allowed to "dress down".  The general 
rule is that you can dress down as long as you stay a little above the 
customers dress code and maintain the EDS professional "image".  When I was 
working for EDS at GMAC Mortgage (Waterloo, IA), I worked with an EDSer with 
a beard, had my hair down on my collar, and some people wore sport jackets.

If your arguing that customers should not look negatively upon facial hair,
I agree.  The reality (right or wrong) is that it does make a negative 
impression on some customers.  EDS recognises that reality and tried to avoid
the negative impression (satisfy the customer).


-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: br042@cleveland.freenet.edu
Subject: Re: Following Sedar tradition
Organization: Migdal Torah - The Jewish Learning Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 16:34:37 -0400


In article <1992Apr6.071047.8251@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> you write:

>Is there a minimum size specified for a "cup" of wine?

The minimum amount according to Horav Moshe Feinstein ZT'L is 3.3 fluid oz.
However when Pesach falls on Shabbos as it does this year, and the Kiddush
friday night is a Torah obligation, then one should use a cup holding 4.4.

Yasher Koach & Kol Tuv
 
Avrohom Mordechai Alter

 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism & Halacha (was Re: Following Sedar tradition)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:17:23 GMT

In <ku1rr3INNdue@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb) writes:

>Could you expand a little more on why "zecher lamikdash" makes no sense 
>as a reason to eat meat?  A friend of mine in LA was always very puzzled 
>by people that ate chicken as "meat" on Shabbat since it wasn't zecher 
>lakorban and he was sure that was the reason you were supposed to eat 
>meat on Shabbat.

Even if "simcha" does require eating meat, on Shabbat the requirement
is "oneg", I don't know of any statement that "oneg" requires meat as
some think "simcha" does.  Furthermore, even on Yom Tov, where
"simcha" is required, and some do require meat, I've never heard
(which doesn't mean it doesn't exist...) anyone who makes sure to have
meat, and not just chicken.

I'm not all that big on recalling what sacrifices were offered when,
but I think all they offered on Shabbat was two tamids (olot, not
eaten) and the musaf (also olot, not eaten), so no one ate any
sacrifices on Shabbat (unlike Yom Tov), so what sacrifice could one be
commemorating by eating meat, unless the chulent (lo alenu) is burnt?
-- 
/|/-\/-\          The entire world		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/        is a very strange hamantaschen
 |warren@         But the tzitzit maker
/ nysernet.org    is not worried at all.
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:56:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr15.161755.24126@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>In article <9204151341.AA10341@robocop.NYU.EDU>, baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) writes:
>|> know.  Why it doesn't include potatoes, which can be processed and used 
>|> much like flour for baking (most Passover cakes use potato starch), I don't
>|> know.
>Potatoes are from the New World and weren't known to Chazal at the time the
>prohibition of Kitniyos was enacted.

Except that the same is true of corn, which is considered kitniyot.  As far as
I know, there is no explanation for why potatoes are allowed.

    Robert
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: passover customs con't
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:21:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <3637@novavax.UUCP> unterspa@novavax.UUCP (Diane Unterspan) writes:

>     Thanks for the variety of botanical
>     misinformation. Yes peanuts are seeds, they ripen
>     underground after the flower stalk enters the
>     ground. but walnuts, almonds, etc are also seeds.
>     All fruits are fleshy organisms which surrounds
>          seeds.
>What does distinguish peanuts from other "nuts" is
>          their membership in the Leguminosae family.

>     But my question remains, why prohibit legumes?

>and then there is corn which is in the same family
>     (Graminaceae) as rice, barley,wheat and rye, but
>          so is sugar cane.

>Alas, sugar beets are in the family
>          Chenopodiaceae.

I have yet to see any explanation of why kitnioth are prohibited.

The Talmud lists 5 grains which can be leavened, and two (rice and
barley?) which cannot.  This listing is correct, in that the leavenable
grains have sufficient gluten for the dough to rise, and the others do
not.  Corn (unknown to them, of couse) would be in the second category.

It is not the grains which are prohibited--matzoth MUST be made from
leavenable grains, but not allowed to become leavened.  This even holds
for the Ashkenazim.  These grains are permitted in any way that one can
be sure that leavening does not occur.  There are discussions of what is
permitted and what is not in Tractate P'sakhim, which is reasonably close
to what one would deduce from modern science.  There is also there an
explicit permission of legumes, as being unleavenable.  The Ashkenazi
rabbis prohibited these other grains and legumes (kitnioth).
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 00:20:04 -0400 
From: Eugene Zilberstein <ez05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cat food for Pesach...the list
Distribution: na

>I spoke to the Baltimore va'ad hakashrus this morning.  They inform me that
>the following varieties of *Fancy Feast* brand cat food may be used for
>Pesach 5752:
...
>sole and shrimp feast

I'm allergic to cats, BUT... if the point is to have a fully KosherKat,
why the shrimp???

... or is it just the word "fancy" (as in "Fancy Feast") that makes it
OK for the Holidays?

(just curious)
GZ

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Equality (redefined)
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 16:49:09 +0300

In: <10128@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>
isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin) claims:

>MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>
>>When will  Balbin learn to read?  I claim that there  is inequality in
>>Halakha and give an  example.
>
>Sorry, this is where you go wrong. You can't claim there is inequality in
>Halacha if you come from a halachik stand point unless you define
>equality and inequality from the *halachik* stand point.

That is an odd demand, practically shutting off any argument about
the attitude of the O.   From now on no O person can argue against
say, R, unless he argues from a Reform stand point.

>Which stand point are you coming from?

Surprise! I  have been  found out:  I do not  argue from  a "halachik"
stand point.  Now I HAVE to admit it. :-) Did I ever say anything that
could have given Balbin such an impression?

>I would venture to say *your* understanding of what is equal and
>what is unequal. Fine. Yes, you can say that using your definitions
>things are unequal. My point is (and was) that SO WHAT! Which end
>are you coming from? You never prove anything with moral reletavism!

Yes, again, so it seems, surprising Balbin once more, I argue from the
way I  understand certain words.   I understand something by  the term
equality, Balbin  using 1984 logic,  understands it to  mean something
different from what  it means in English.  I could  accept an argument
like: yes  there is  inequality in this  case but it  is good  for the
following reasons  etc. etc.  But  denying inequality in that  case is
just plain silly.

>>OK you come wherever you come  from and start from wherever you start,
>>and  I am  trying to  point out  what this  kind of  frozen and  rigid
>>attitude leads  to.
>
>Ahh Shimshoni, don't dare call me rigid if I conform to Halacha.

I'll call  something the  way I  see it.   Something which  refuses to
change seems to me fit being called rigid.

>I am a scientist and am proud and perfectly confortable conforming
>to a system that I believe in.

YOU call yourself a scientist  I never did.  A "scientist" comfortable
conforming?!

Michael Shimshoni
From: msa9+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michelle L. Seibel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Differences between Jews
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:34:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IdsURKS00WBKM6I5Zm
Organization: Sophomore, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am a student, and I am working on a short research paper about Jewish
immigration to America.  I am curious about the differences between
Sephardic and Ashkenazim Judaism.  Can any one tell me what the
fundamental differences are without going too heavily into Jewish
theology?

Please mail responses to msa9+@andrew.cmu.edu as I am not a regular
reader of this b-board.  Thanks a lot.

Michelle
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Determining "jewishness"
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:14:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.jke2.702861299
Distribution: na
Organization: Mississippi State University


I share the same position as moochie.701731227@camelot.
I've realized when I moved to NYC from the Philippines of relatives in my familybeing Jewish.

As a child the only thing I knew about my grandfather was that he was a Russian-American who lived and worked in the Philippines. I was further astouned by the fact that my grandfather went to rabbinical school in Warsaw early in this      century.

My grandfather married a Christian and my mother and all her siblings were baptized and raised as Christians. 

I understand that "Jewishness" follows the maternal side of the family. Am I to
assume that since my grandfather was Jewish and not my grandmother, my mother isnot Jewish?

Whether or not I am Jewish, I was wondering if anyone out there could provide mewith further information on Judaism and Israel. 

I currently live in Mississippi and there are very few people of the Jewish faith in the town where I live.
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Chad Gadya in Yiddish
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. of Oceanography

ve been several requests for Chad Gadya in Yiddish.  I have an old book
called "Songs of our People" which has a version.  The transliteration
is that of the compiler, Samuel Bugatch.

Chad gadya, chad gadya.

Ch'hob far aich a maisele, a maisele gor shein,
der tate hot a tzigele, gekoift far tzvei gildein.

A tzigele a vaisenke, a sheininke vi gold,
un tzvei gildein mezumene, het er far ir batzolt.

Chad gadya, chad gadya.

Iz doch in hoif a katz geven, a mazik vi bavuxt;
hot ketzlen zich fartzuken gor, dos tzigele farglust.

Derzen hot es hintele, fardrist es im gantz shtark,
er varft zich oif der beizer katz, un baist ir ain in kark.

Chad gadya, chad gadya.

Kumt shtekel in kas arain, un tracht gor nit kain sach,
un shpalt dos kepl hintelen, du hunt, s'iz nit dain zach.

Tzeflakert hot zich fayerl, far kas tzuner roit,
du shtekele, du flekele, ich mach dir bald a toit.

Chad gadya, chad gadya.
-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cat food for Pesach...the list
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:53:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Migration Systems

In article <gdsbFoG00WBL8_X28T@andrew.cmu.edu> ez05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eugene Zilberstein) writes:
>>I spoke to the Baltimore va'ad hakashrus this morning.  They inform me that
>>the following varieties of *Fancy Feast* brand cat food may be used for
>>Pesach 5752:
>...
>>sole and shrimp feast
>
>I'm allergic to cats, BUT... if the point is to have a fully KosherKat,
>why the shrimp???
>
>... or is it just the word "fancy" (as in "Fancy Feast") that makes it
>OK for the Holidays?
>
>(just curious)
>GZ


We are allowed to feed non Kosher food such as shrimp to our
animals.  Another example is feeding horse meat to dogs.

However, we are not allowed to get any use of milk and (kosher)
meat so that dog food with beef and milk solids are forbidden but
horse meat and milk is allowed for our animals (may be a rabbinical
prohibition here to avoid making the mistake, CYLOR).

We are forbidden to own or have any use of chametz on Pesach and
also forbidden to have any use of chametz that a Jew has owned
during Pesach.  THus the cereal fillers in most cat foods make it
nonkosher for pesach but  the shrimp only makes it nonkosher for
us to eat.  Our animals can still eat it.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
| H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
|_________________________|____________________________________|
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:03:59 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

In article <lynx.04ae@terapin.com> lynx@terapin.com (. Debbie) writes:
>I always thought the egg symbolizedthe concept of birth and death of the
>ending of one thing and the beginning of another.  For the first born, for
>hope with understanding of the past, and the choice to begin again.
>(then again, what do I know.  This net seems to be the extent of my current
>affiliation.)

Try this one (based on a sermon and high school class material):  the
shankbone and egg represent the idea of two main courses at a formal
Roman meal, as does the 4 cups of wine.

This is consistent with reality since the model we follow, such as
reclining, is that of a royal Roman meal.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: givati@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Ofer Givati)
Subject: Doctor seeking to do GP locum work in UK
Summary: Seeking 5 month GP locum work in the UK
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:49:36 GMT

CAN ANY OF YOU DOCTORS AND DOCTOR'S FAMILY & FRIENDS HELP ????

I am interested in doing a locum in General Practice in the UK for 5 month
(May 92 - Sept 92).
Any help would be appreciated.
Thaks,
Dr. LL Sirkin
102 Lafayette
11 Corlette drive
Illovo
Johannesburg
South-Africa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Looking for rental Rehovot,Israel
From: vectr01n@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:31:35 GMT
Reply-To: vectr01n@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Organization: Cal State Northridge

I will be travelling with my husband and 2 children to Rehovot Israel.
We will be there from June 21 through July 12.  I would like to rent
an apartment for that time somewhere in the area.  Could someone
please give me some recommendations.  Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks in advance

--
dkay@vax.csun.edu