HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edu (Matt Campbell)
Subject: Re: carcinogenicity of mj smoke com
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:25:27 GMT

My roomate and I are having a battle over what is the primary carcinogen
in cigarettes/MJ.  I beleive that the group of chemicals termed as "tar"
is the primary carcinogen in cigarettes, my roommate charges that Nicotene
is the primary carcinogen (thus low MJ cancer risk).  Who's right?

Matt    

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From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Re: War on Drugs not to everyone's liking (!)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.144530.25042@ncsu.edu> Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb) writes:
>In article <62827@cup.portal.com>, patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M
>Crumhorn) writes:

- aticle about helicopter flights deleted -

>Now just how can they tell the difference between cultivated and wild
>marijuana!  Were the 5 million that were cultivated lead to arrests.  How
>were the other 134-million planted?  Naturally or did some hippy run around
>with a bag of seeds and spread the joy to the world????
>

I've heard rumors of Johnny Marijuana Seed..... ;-).

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Home production of Methanphetamines
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.110410.2783@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Also, I think that removing
>the oxygen gives amphetamine not methamphetamine, so one
>would have to specifically mono-methylate which is also
>a bit tricky. Any comments?

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine have N-methyl substitutions already
(i.e.,, they're secondary amines.)  Phenylpropanolamine and norpseudoephedrine
are primary amines.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: LESSER@FAXON.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: More on Ketamine
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:11:05 GMT

Hello, again!

Last week I'd sent in a post inquiring about whether or not anyone out there
had any experiences or information about ketamine, as I wasn't familiar with
anyone who'd ever actually taken the stuff. Since I don't actually have USENET
access, I had to ftp archived files of the resulting posts on the subject.
(Though a warm thanks to Steve Dyer & nuke@"i don't remember where" for their
E-mail responses to my inquiry.)


To clarify a few points:

1. In the little bit of research I did, contrary to popular speculation, I
found that ketamine is pretty simple to obtain. As it's not a scheduled drug,
it can be obtained pretty easily through various biochemical suppliers, etc. (I 
guess I won't have to make a date with my local gay vet, eh?)   :)

2. The magazine article I had read did indeed say that people were snorting K
to get high. (see _Details_ magzine, I think it was the July, 1992 issue - the
one with Lady Miss Kier and Anthony Kiedis on the cover) The effects described
certainly sounded more like K than PCP to me. Users refered to K as "God" and
"baby food" - as they fell into a trance-like state and often felt that they'd 
met their maker.

3. Also, as mentioned, Dr. John Lily's book, _The Scientist: A Metaphysical
Autobiography_, was a pretty good reference. Though the book never actually
refers to the drug by its full name, always as merely K, it does include an
interesting chart illustrating Lily's dosing experiments. Also, it's worth
noting that his constant use brought him into a very odd, psychotic state that 
seemed to include a very rocky re-entry... (So don't take this every couple of 
hours, for over a year straight, at home, kids!) 


If anyone out there comes across anything more on the subject, drop me a line
via E-mail...


snl

Internet: LESSER@faxon.com
From: scook@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen B. Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Home Appliances which get you...
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:32:50 GMT
Organization: more than these folk
NNTP-Posting-Host: needmore.cs.utexas.edu

EEEEEEEEEEwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.  It's got to be better than this.  I think
I'd rather hit each of my toes with a hammer and EXPERIENCE the pain rush.
At least it I would know the long them impact (ie. a duck walk) rather than
waiting for the blastoma to form.  Chance the bust, try something less risky
in the long term.
  
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13285 talk.politics.drugs:5245 sci.psychology:3183
From: kendall@sceng.ub.com (Greg Kendall)
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.092348.23625@newshost.anu.edu.au> (David Tomlinson) writes:

>In article <3BRmoB3w165w@hacktic.nl>, bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire) writes:
>> 
>> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>> 
>> > "Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
>> > often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
>> > driver ever been involved in a fatal car accident?
>> > 
>> > Really, now...  Even _water_ has caused deaths.
>> 
>As a practitioner of Traditional Chinese Medicine I have
>only this to say about MJ.
>In the Chinese model of medicine, there is a energy channel
>that runs from the base of your neck to your tailbone.
>MJ burns "qi" or energy or life-force or whatever you want
>to call it from this channel. The effect is twofold on heavy
>dope smokers. 1) They all have lower back problems

Bullshit!  I've known several heavy dope smokers who did NOT have back
problems.  Two of them were construction workers, which makes it that
much more supprising to me that they did not suffer back problems.

So much for your theory.
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LA Times : "Long LSD Prison Terms--It's all in the packaging"
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:58:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Bs68rw.DFB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin) writes...
>mike@optimla.aimla.com (Mike Diehr) writes:
>>in LSD, but I think that's right.  This is a very dangerous drug.  It once was referred
>>to as do-it-yourself brain surgery."
> 
>	Isn't there some legal grounds with which somebody could attack this
>guy? If not for slander, then how bout for being under-educated for his 
>position. If anyone knows of something to do to protest factual distortions
>please let me know (post). If you don't know of an organization but do of 
>someone to write or otherwise complain to, please let me know that.
>-dwk

Stupidity and ignorance are not illegal, even in public office regrettably.

Indeed, the casual observer may come to the conclusion that stupidity and
ignorance are encouraged, if not mandatory.

Still, if the Feds can file civil suits against property, maybe property can
file suit against whoever made the above statement. Anyone for a class action
suit on behalf of blotter?

What a depressing week this has been.

gary
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13609 sci.med:14602
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:36:19 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

"Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
driver ever been involved in a fatal car accident?

Really, now...  Even _water_ has caused deaths.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Home Appliances which get you...
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:02:38 GMT

kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:


>	I trying to put together a list of home products which
>a person can get high off of.  I will start the list with a couple
>of my favorites, but would really appreaciate if others would add
>theirs too.  Thanks.
>
>Product			Usesage			Comments
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Robotussin DM		drink 4/8/12 oz		like PCP and Heroin
>Scotch Guard 3m		inhale deeply		like NO3 - be sure to
>						get the right kind!
>Nutmeg			Smoke until happy	headache possible
>Nutmeg			drink a match box	hallucinations likely
>			amount in water	
>Banana Peels		Smoke dried until :)	headache possible
>
>	Feel free to add your own...

How about Peanut Shells!

And I heard that licking Banana Slugs works too!

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: ftp.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
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From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: Helicopter nuisance flights (WAS: WoD not to everyone's...
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:00:38 GMT

In article <9207271330.AA07095@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
:Noisy copper choppers are a constant problem here (MI) inside or outside
:of a city. There is LITERALLY ALWAYS at least one of these damn things
:flapping around with some bozo looking for Duh-rugs (Egad!!). Most
:people here find them objectionable, but there hasn't been much
:organized opposition to them... yet.

This makes me wonder when people are going to start using the second
amendment to advantage. When the government declares war on the
people, they'll only take so much.

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: pgp keys in .sigs
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:13:42 GMT

[alt.drugs]
In article <1992Jul25.075952.29155@panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:
>>kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>>: 
>>: I agree, although I wish people would get a clue as to what anarchy is
>>: all about.  I suspect that for most people, the essence of "anarchy" is
>>: contained in KIBO, the "feed the spooks" thread, and other such banalities.
>>: It doesn't make me feel very hopeful.
>...
>yet chaos does _not_ reign supreme.  What Kurn mentions above -- KIBO,
>"feed the spooks", and such banalities, a list to which I might add the
>Mad Canceller debate and all such -- these are tendencies towards chaos, and

Who or what is this "KIBO"-all-in-caps that people keep talking about?
Is he like BIFF?  Is he an operating system like UNIX?  Enquiring minds
want to know!
						-- k.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: mhergert@esk (Mark Ivan Hergert)
Subject: Re: Psychological Addiction
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.175608.12343@udel.edu>, lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>
>Yes, psychological addiction is real, but the way it is used by the drug
>warriors is misleading. Psychological addiction is not a property of the
>drug, but rather of the individual. To say, "marijuana is psychologically
>addictive" is false. Saying, "marijuana can be psychologically addictive"
>is better, but still misleading. A better way of putting it is, "it is
>possible for a person to become psychologically addicted to marijuana,
>depending on the psychological makeup of the person." 
>
	I'd just like to make a point about Pyschological addiction to
Marijuana.  I am speaking from personal experience ,from friends in
the same situation and from information i obtained ( That was put 
out by an anti-drug movement but was what i considered an un-biased
report by someone who had studied drugs for many years, yes i will
get the reference if i have to).  There is more to Marijuana than
one thinks and most of the bad effects start when you actually stop
using it for about a week.  Now i'm talking about moderate to heavy
use here.  I don't consider once a week use to be harmfull at all.
In fact i don't even consider heavy use to be actually harmfull,
but when you have been smoking almost every day for weeks on end,
you eventually gain a tolerance to it.  You don't get High any more
you just get stoned. Now when you stop smoking it for whatever 
reason, that tolerance you have developed has to abate itself and
is characterised by th 'ol hooner blues that many people suffer
when they stop using it.  The point i'm getting at is that a 
lot of people don't need much nudging to realise that by
continuing the use they will avoid the awfull down depression
that often persists for weeks after discontinuing use.
Therfore, it is not just a matter of a pyschological addiction
,but a physiological component does play a great part as well.

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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:52:35 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:
>> There are some substances that administered to the
>> organism ... will eventually cause addiction.
>
> Explain what you mean by "eventually".

Not necessarily the first time.  May take several administrations.

> Explain what you mean by "addiction".

As defined before (two times, previous msgs).

> Define how extensive this "mere exposure" has to be
> to be significant.

Taking "significant" to mean "causing addiction", we don't define
that, nature tells us.  You try it and you see.  Turns out it varies
with substance, for instance.

> Explain why you think it matters WRT legalization
> of drugs for human consumption.

State when I have said it does.

Please read what I wrote.

> next we're supposed to verify quarks for ourselves if we're interested?

I'm not aware of anyone stopping you.  But the point here isn't
whether you personally have the time, money, interest, or talent to.
The point is either the results reproduce or they don't.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: Mark Nelson <mnelson@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:33 PDT
Subject: Re: Carter and decrim (was: Re: Adv
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jul27.083638.13476@henson.cc:-156099631:cdp:1301300178:000:845
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mnelson    Jul 28 21:33:00 1992


The name of the book mentioned above is High in America.  It is mostly about
the founder of NORML, Keith Stroup, and the organization's early (and most
powerful years).

According to that account, NORML has always been an advocate of marijuana 
decrim. but not of all other drugs.  This does not mean that they didn't favor
it, it just wasn't official.

While Carter spoke for decrim during his campaign, and there were certainly a
few users in his administration, he never made good on this.  He supported
paraquat spraying in Mexico, even though it was proved that tainted marijuana
was entering the country and possibly poisoning users.

Only a handful of states passed marijuana decrim meassures during this time,
with only Alaska legalizing personal use.  Most other states simply reduced the
charge of possesion from felony to misdemenor.
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Effects of smoking mj seeds?
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:01:36 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

In <1992Jul20.235218.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> smathewrg03@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:


>Hi - I've got a question for all you people out there with any knowledge about
>dope. What I want to know is: Will smoking the mj seeds have any effect? In 
>other words, do they contain any THC, and also, would this have any harmfull 
>side-effects? 

I like the seeds in my second jay. The snap/crackle/pop of the seeds burning
is very entertaining.

>Thanks for your time!

You're welcome (did this help?!)

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Shckwish!
From: tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trevor Cederquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:33:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



	No ketamine IS used at these raves (so I hear.)
	In the so called "chill out rooms" glowing in
	red lights and propped with old couches or 
	lounge chairs, ketamine is used to dissociate
	like the best of hardcore ravers do.  Nothing
	like coming down from X and being really in touch
	to slam-dancing your mind and body to the polar
	opposite.  Well, so I hear. (Really :) !!)

 


Trevor Cederquist
tcederqu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: l-tryptophan again
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:13:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <27JUL199219222581@vax.sonoma.edu> gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal) writes:
>
>I have seen a few synthesis' most starting with L-tryptophan (ever wonder
>why L-tryptophan is illeagal now?  Was Showa Denko part of an intriguing
>conspiracy?) 

I logged onto the FDA's BBS the other day to see if they had any info on
l-tryptophan.  Not much, but it did say that a study had been commissioned
to determine whether uncontaminated l-t itself is harmful to some people.
I think the study was supposed to be concluded by the end of last year,
but there was no followup info on the BBS.

The FDA blurb did mention that many individuals had been self-medicating
with l-t for various problems like insomnia, depression, etc.  Hey, I self-
medicated for mild insomnia, and it worked for me!  So, of course, they take 
it off the market.  I refuse to go to some doctor and get a scrip for evil
tranquilizers like Halcion, etc. -- that would be overkill.  But we can't
have consumers with mild problems treating themselves with inexpensive OTC 
medication, can we now?  Grrrr....

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:30:25 GMT

In article <62973@cup.portal.com> Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy) writes:
>>I love this one.  Did you here at a Dead Show?  Are you that Dan Healy?
>>
>>?		Matt
>
>I don't think so....Never been to a Dead show.
>
>I heard it from a friend...A drug free friend who actually believed it.
>

Well, if you ever get a chance, take it and see them play. It's worth
the experience.
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Australian bushwalkers
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:56:28 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

Ok. Any Aussies (victorian pref) been out mushrooming lately?
My neighborhood is letting me down.

Also looking for Morning Glory type plant - apparently it's
found in Aus. Anyone have first hand experience?

Shckwish!
From: nilesd@foxx.ucr.edu (niles rowland)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: birdseed
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <920725014414_76130.2114_EHJ34-1@CompuServe.COM> 76130.2114@CompuServe.COM (jim hogshire) writes:
>
>This is my first post (trying it out the lamont way) so mainly I want to see if
>it works.  Otherwise, is it true you can mj sterilized hemp seeds for use as
>bird food?  I hear they're nutitious and birds really like 'em.  If it's true,
>I have a whole aviary full of birds.  Anybody know where to order some?
>
>jim hogshire


"The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer lists the following sources for
sterilized hemp seeds:

"Happy Bird Sample Pack"
P.O. Box 71093
Los Angeles, CA 90071-0093
*free* with a $5 donation to B.A.C.H. (Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp) 

Elmwood Pet Supplies
706 Elmwood Ave.
Buffalo, NY 14222

Minn-Dak Growers Ltd.
(701) 746-7453

The Ohio Hempery
14 North Court St. #307
Athens, Ohio 45701
1-800-BUY-HEMP
[they sell pre-cooked hemp seeds for human consumption and a hemp seed cookbook]

I also highly recommend Herer's book for anyone who is interested in ways to 
feed the world's hungry, stopping the global warming trend, reversing the ozone
depletion, reducing air pollution, replanting the world's forests, eliminating
our need for fossil fuels (and what looks to be an annual event: the slaughter 
of innocent citizens in the Middle East), or a bigger conspiracy than the one 
that killed J.F.K. :-).  The book is available through:

	H.E.M.P. (Help End Marijauna Prohibition)
	5632 Van Nuys Blvd. Suite 210
	Van Nuys, CA 91401

(ask about "Hemp for Victory" 1942 pro-marijuana film from the USDA)

niles
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Giving Blood
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:43:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: graeme@sealink1.oe.fau.edu's message of Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.135959.5126@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> graeme@sealink1.oe.fau.edu () writes:

	What happens to your blood after you donate a pint? 
	What's it tested for? I know they say that they test
	for all the usual things (HIV,HepA HepB etc) and say
	it is confidential. What about testing for 'other' 
	substances? Is it done? What are their legal obligations?
	Does it matter if the organization collecting is private
	or state?  

   This just struck me as an ideal way for the government, if not 
   to stop, but at least collect large amounts of data on the
   prevalence of drug use.
   Anybody out there ever worked in this field, or knows what goes on?

Not to mention the fact that the Red Cross identified donors using
their social security number...

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
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