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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: A list of important share/free ware inits for a new user
From: seth@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:27:40 -0700
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

> What inits/cdevs would you reccomend to a new user of a macintosh.
> I am trying to help several people and am making up a list of what I
> feel is improtant to have but is relatively cheap.
> 
> SuperClock
> DepthGuage (for color machines)
> 
> What else do you think is essential?
> 
> Brad


Of course, no init is really "essential", but many are sure nice to have 
around, and contribute to a more pleasant and workable environment. Here is my
list of inits (all are control panels) that I would reccomend for a new user.
Of course, some inits would just confuse a new user, so I list only ones that
are basically hassle-free:

Window Shade   (nice to have when you have a lot of windows open and it gets
		cluttered)
Greg's Buttons (just plain makes the controls and such more pleasant)
AutoMenus      (automatically pulls down menus when the cursor passes over
                them; very nice)
Mouse2	       (just my opinion, but I HATE slow mice ;)
CursorAnimator (livens up the interface a little, relieves tedium of bland
                mouse cursors standard to Mac OS)
MenuChoice
    or
BeHeirarchic   (enables heirarchical Apple Menu; very VERY nice)
Extensions Manager  (because new users aren't new for long ...;)


I think these really help make the system friendlier and more convenient, but
that is just my opinion...
Seth Leigh
BYU Physics Dept.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu (Hani W. Akhras)
Subject: ? about comp.binaries.mac
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Johns Hopkins University 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:31:32 GMT

When I download files that are split up in comp.binaries.mac, how do I
concatenate them so I can use binhex 4.0 to decode them? Do I just use I
word processor or is there an application that does this for me?

Thanks

____________________
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hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: LB.NKA@isumvs.iastate.edu (Nubi Achebo)
Subject: Mac LAN
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:40:39 GMT

I would like to hear from anybody who has successfully networked CD-ROMs using
Mac machines.  I am particularly interested in the hardware and software used,
type of wiring, and the basics of the LAN structure.  Send me an e-mail
through the following address.

lb.nka@isumvs.bitnet
lb.nka@isumvs.iastate.edu

Nubi Achebo.
From: coolidge@sirius.aux.apple.com (John L. Coolidge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: thanks (Re: Macs for UNIX lovers)
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:12:13 GMT
Reply-To: coolidge@apple.com
Organization: Open Systems Development, Porting&I/O Group, Apple Computer, Inc.,Summary:

ctrbdo@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (bryan d oakley) writes:
>In summary, many folks suggested
>A/UX 3.0.  ... I knew it was there but can't afford it -- that's why I
>posted my query.  I just dropped $4K and don't have much left.  I also
>know about Mach10, which also looks promising, but at $600 (so the
>ads say) is also out of reach.  Hmmm... anyone know the educational
>prices of these?

A/UX lists in the mid-$700's. I suspect educational is down around
$400, but I'm not sure. I've seen street prices that low...

>I bet I can get a '486 with cheapo monitor and public
>domain unix up and running for less than A/UX 3.0.  Hmmm...
>Interesting thought...

If you're referring to the cost of Mac+A/UX vs. 486+pd unix, you're
right. However, you're not likely to find a 486 that costs less than
A/UX's list price (mid-$700 range). And you get a lot more features
with A/UX (X, MacX, NFS, BNU UUCP, plus Mac apps, in a well tested
and supported package). It's somewhat expensive, but it's pretty
complete and quite nice.

Disclaimer: I work in the A/UX group. Of course I'm slightly biased
:-).

--John

        Looks good on the outside, but...
                intel inside
                -- found on the net

+++John L. Coolidge++++++++++++++++coolidge@apple.com+++++++++++++++++++++++
I speak for myself, not for Apple Computer. Copyright 1992 John L. Coolidge.
Copying allowed only if attributed, and if all copies may be further copied.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ctrbdo@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (bryan d oakley)
Subject: Mach on Mac?
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:56:29 GMT

Buried deep, DEEP inside MacUser Jan '93, Power Tools: Help Folder,
page 267, column 2, way down at the bottom, Andy Ihnatko says (and I
quote:) "... I should report a good, hard rumor that certain
individuals are working on a Macintosh version of the Mach UNIX kernal
... and that it'll be available Real Soon Now on a CD-ROM for less
than $100".  Anyone know more about this?  I presume that when he put
pen to paper it was probably August or September, so surely there's
more info now.

-- 
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: formatting software for 1 gig drive?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:35:33 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu
Keywords: formatting software  1 gig drive mac

In article <1993Jan12.060432.27754@netcom.com> judic@netcom.com (Judi Clark) writes:
>Anyone have experience with formatting software that works
>with 1.7 gig drive? I've heard that some s/w isn't reliable
>at upper limits. Does Silver Lining (3.5.1)  work?

The first limit to worry about is 2 gigs, I think.  I don't know of
any software which works over 2 gigs.  (which does NOT mean that it
doesn't exist).
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: stephan@kub.nl (Stephan Raaijmakers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: speed Mac II
Keywords: Mac II
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: stephan@kub.nl
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands

Hi everybody,

Can someone point out to me the speed of a Classic II (68030,16MHZ)
relative to: the original SE/30
             an 386SX/25MHZ running a job like  LaTeX?


Thanks!       


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From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Cost of Making CDs ??
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:54:11 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine
NNTP-Posting-Host: mchip00.med.nyu.edu

fr0c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frank A. Reynolds) writes:
>Does anyone know what it cost have information placed on CDs?
>I am trying to find out what it would cost have 200 to 500 CDs made.

	According to the "Apple CD-ROM Handbook" included on the Jan 93
Developer Support CD, it will cost you about $250-500 in premastering
charges, depending on the number of files you have.  Then another $500
(10-day turnaround) to $3000 (same-day service) in mastering charges.  After
that, it's under $2/disk, which includes 2 color artwork on the disk itself.
Not clear if this includes packaging (I've seen anything from the common
jewel cases to cardboard slidecases to just plain plastic envelopes).
-- 
Roy Smith <roy@nyu.edu>
Hippocrates Project, Department of Microbiology, Coles 202
NYU School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: books for Mac & C
From: coedgar@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il (Ron Edgar)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:49:42 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center.

I would like to get some input on books for deep Macintosh knoladge stuff
and C programming ( can be under Mac, unix or other platformes)
your advice highly sought.

thanks.
--
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ron Edgar            coedgar@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il  (unix)              |
| Weizmann Ins.Sci.    coedgar@wiccmail.weizmann.ac.il (MSmail)           |
| Rehovot Israel   "old chemists never die, they just reach equilibrium"  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser)
Subject: Why are some Apple utilities modal?
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  8 Jan 93 04:35:39 GMT

Is there a good reason why Apple File Exchange and LaserWriter Font Utility
are modal?  I find it really annoying to have to stop everything when
exchanging a file or downloading a large Postscript doc.

Any ideas?

-- 
Mike Strasser                       Internet: M.Strasser@edn.gu.edu.au.
Faculty of Education
Griffith University
Brisbane, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: sproule@MITL.COM (William J. Sproule)
Subject: MacFriends in Portland, OR - Good or Bad
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc 
Originator: sproule@jelly.MITL.COM
Keywords: MacFriends sales
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:34:52 GMT

Anyone have good/bad experiences with MacFriends in Portland, OR?
Please mail me, I will post a summary.  

Thanks,

-b


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Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory   Phone: +1 609 497-4600 
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Princeton, New Jersey  08542
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: twosheds@ferris.cray.com (Jay Vollmer)
Subject: Re: SCUP
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:15:17 CST

In article <1993Jan5.114914.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssocl01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Hi there
>
>	Can anyone tell me where I can find information on how to use
>MacBugs???? 
>
	There is documentation built-into Macsbug.  Just press "?<CR>"


-- 
___________________________
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  Je suis revolutionnaire |                   stands what I am.
twosheds@ferris.cray.com  |                                   --Walt Whitman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Subject: K.Quest V vs. Mutant Beach
Date:  5 Jan 93  3:00:23 GMT 
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

My bro is uncertain whether he should buy K.Quest V of Mutant Beach. Does
anybody have these games and would you care to give a small review of
either? Thanks in advance.
 
scott hudziak

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
Internet: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!hue
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: bizarre@leland.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Templeton)
Subject: Re: What's some good ~free terminal s/w (kermit?)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:57:19 GMT

In article <27556@sybase.sybase.com> thundt@sybase.com (Thomas Hundt) writes:
>So, I was wondering, what are some recommended choices for
>shareware/freeware along the lines of a modem-oriented terminal
>package.  

I am also interested in whether there are any good terminal programs for the
mac, preferably one that has zmodem transfer and some scripting capabilities.

Thanks,
-bruce templeton
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tjs@earth.wustl.edu (tom sullivan)
Subject: Settings in MacDraw Pro????
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:12:59 GMT


Is there some way to make MacDraw Pro default to Times font? How about
remembering menu changes (Pen and Font)? This seems to be a simple
request, but I can't find anything in the manual.

thanks,

tom

PS

As a side note, I've sent this and another question (in separate
messages a month apart) to Claris at ClarisTech@applelink.apple.com
and have receive no repsonse. Does Claris just ingore email or is the
mail not getting through? I tend to believe the former. Has anyone
had luck in emailing Claris to the addresses they provide?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: pjmelody@eos.ncsu.edu (PATRICK J MELODY)
Subject: good mail order houses?
Organization: NC State Computer Science Dept. 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:23:50 GMT

I am planning to buy a mac soon, and mail order seems to have the 
best prices (even better than the educational discount).  From what I
have read this is a good way to go as long as you buy from a "good"
place with a "good" warranty. Can anyone recommend reputable places? 
Any help/words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Thanks
  
 
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From: wolinsky@remus.rutgers.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: How to un-delete a folder???
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:02:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I inadvertantly disposed a folder in the trash can and then emptied the trash on
my Mac II.  Could someone please tell me if there are any programs that will allow
me to un-delete this folder and recover it?  Is there such a program available via
anonymous FTP somewhere?  Any help would be greatly appreciated...

wolinsky@remus.rutgers.edu
From: gasser@graphics.cis.upenn.edu (Nathan Gasser ><> )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Seeking Font Menu Organizer!
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:11:35 GMT
Organization: UPENN Computer Graphics Research Laboratory

Hi all,

        A friend works in desktop publishing and has 11 billion fonts
installed, and would like to manage his font menu better.  I proposed
opening and closing suitcases when needed, but he'd like a better
solution.  Is there any utility, free/shareware/commercial or otherwise,
which will let you group fonts so they appear hierarchially in the font
menu?  Like you could define these fonts as decorative, these fonts
as dingbats, etc. and your font menu would be like 8 hierarchial choices,
and you pick the actual font from the submenu.  Compatible with Adobe
Type Reunion, of course :)

Alternatively, does anyone have any recomendations for this fellow?
Originally he asked for his font menu to show up in as many collumns
across the screen as needed, so he could see all fonts in a single glance.
The Now Utilities can assign different colors to different fonts, and
reorder them, but that wasn't interesting to him.  Any other options?

Email please, and I'll summarize if there's interest.
Nate.
gasser@graphics.cis.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mig@csulb.edu (Mig Gomez)
Subject: How to start MS Word 4.0 with rulers showing
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:06:53 GMT

Greetings to everyone!

I would like to find out how I can open up Microsoft Word 4.0 and have
the rulers automatically show for every document. Is this at all
possible? I've tried editing the Preferences and the default style
sheets, with no luck.

I'd appreciate any help.
Thank you.

mig

-- 
=======================================================================
Mig Gomez                                          mig@beach.csulb.edu
Instructional Computing Consultant                 CSULB Library LL22
CSULB                                              1250 Bellflower Blvd.
From: Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Pink Operating System
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A771C619EA012AC7@ralph.cm.cf.ac.uk>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:35:53 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16

In article <C0GCuH.LIA@taligent.com> Rick Holzgrafe, rmh@taligent.com
writes:
>> (chuckle) Until you do, the best (only) choice *is* to speculate.
>> Since such speculation won't have any significant effect on the
>> reality that will eventually unfold, I vote for it running first
>> on a $9,999.97 personal Cray :-)
>
>Well, that's what *I* run it on, but I'm not allowed to say that. ;-)
>
>I just meant that people shouldn't shell out that $9,999.97 in the
expectation
>that it will eventually run Pink. It might, and then again it might not,
and
>then again it might but not right away. $9,997.99 is a lot of
disappointment, so
>I thought I should clarify our (non) position.

Yeah, Rick, that's great, but I hope you aren't getting the readers too
excited. What
you have forgotten to tell them is Taligent management's plan to sell
Pink for
$99,999,999.95 for the personal Cray. They may still not be able to
afford to run 
it even if it is available on that platform and they buy one :-) :-)

Ralph
From: warden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert T Warden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: TimesTwo disk doubler???
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:18:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I saw an ad for a new program from Golden Triangle called
TimesTwo which claims to double your HD's space
WITHOUT using file compression.

Does anyone have any experience with this program, or
know how it works?  Thanks...

Rob Warden
warden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: jmm@eci2.uucp (John Macdonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Pink Operating System
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:09:53 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

|> Does anyone out there know if the Pink operating system will run on the
|> Intel platform as well as the Power PC and Mac line?  Thanks.
|> Carl
|
|We have not yet announced our target platforms. Until we do, it's best not to
|speculate. (Sorry!)
|
|-- Rick Holzgrafe, a member of the Taligentsia

(chuckle) Until you do, the best (only) choice *is* to speculate.
Since such speculation won't have any significant effect on the
reality that will eventually unfold, I vote for it running first
on a $9,999.97 personal Cray :-)

(It's ok if you fail to deny this, Rick, I realize that you probably
aren't allowed to commit yourself...)
-- 
Usenet is [like] the group of people who visit the  | John Macdonald
park on a Sunday afternoon. [...] luckily, most of  |   jmm@elegant.com
the people are staying on the paths and not pissing |
on the flowers - Gene Spafford
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Distribution: world
From: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:46:52 CDT
Subject: Re: disabling extensions:  extension manager

Peter Bell (bell-peter@yale.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec23.141811.11598@tdb.uu.se> Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
writes:
: >Noam G. Nudelman (P88038@BARILVM.BITNET) wrote:
: >: 
: >: Hi,
: >: 
: >:   I am interested in changing some system extensions so that
: >: when I hold the Shift botton down while booting, they will NOT be
: >: disabled.
: >: 
: >:   Any help will be appreciated.
: >
: >As far as I know, it's (almost) impossible. Apple has made it with the
: >Tune-Up by adding a driver that loads the INIT somehow, but it's tricky.
: 
: yeah, as far as I know, the only solution is to use the extension manager
: control panel (at sumex, et al.) to select a group of extensions to 
: enable at startup, disabling the rest.  It works quite well.

Yes, but this won't solve the problem. If you hold down the shift key, the
system won't load any extensions at all.

The way Apple did it with the TuneUp was to write a device driver instead of
an INIT (or a device driver that loads the INIT), at least from what I've
been told.

/Mats
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Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
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From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: disabling extensions:  extension manager
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:52:09 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Hard disk spin-down software for desktop macs??
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:05:15 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

In article <1992Dec31.131614.2324@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wrote:
> 
> I have need for a program that will treat the hard disk of a desktop 
> mac the same way as the hard disk of a powerbook. That is, I want the 
> desktop hard disk to fall asleep when not in use (after some 
> predesignated time period) and then start back up again as soon as it 
> is needed.
> 	I have inherited a very large but very noisy external hard 
> disk, and would like it to stop spinning when not in use, just like the 
> hard disks on the powerbooks do.
> 
> 
> 				Is this possible??
> 
  In a word, no.  The spin down is only a feature of the 2.5" portable
drives.   Or so I'm told.

- Greg Talmo  (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)
                                  |The opinions expressed are MINE (at
least
"A censor is a man who knows more |for today). Thus they are not the 
than he thinks you ought to."     |ponderous, well thought out P.C.
opinions
                - Granville Hicks |of Winona State University or anyone
else
                                  |who works, or studies here.
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 17:40:54 TUR
From: <A11452@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject:    Soundtrecker files to FTP. Where?

   Hello,

  Where can I ftp sound trecker files? Is there documentation about
soundtrecker and sound files for it?
  Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

      Tuna
From: suhler@pollux.usc.edu (Paul Suhler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Looking for New York City User's Group
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:44:07 -0800
Organization: USC Advanced Computer Architecture Laboratory
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

I'm looking for a Mac user's group in New York City for my
brother-in-law.  Can anyone give me someone to call?

Thanks,

Paul Suhler
From: gt1086c@prism.gatech.EDU (Gregory Glockner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: FORSALE: Managing your Money and VGA adaptor
Keywords: Mac
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:20:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Managing Your Money for the Mac:
"1993 Version, v. 5.0"
I have not opened the program; it is still shrink wrapped!

MacConnection charges $32 + shipping.  
Best offer over $20 takes it.


Also, I have a "MacVGA" connector to convert Mac video output
so that you can drive a VGA monitor.  This has barely been used.
I paid $31 from BMUG.  Again, best offer over $20 takes it.

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Computational Optimization Center
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