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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Rules & Mechanics Questions
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:24:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <78021@hydra.gatech.EDU> vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart) writes:
>Two questions:
>
>1.  What are the recommended/typical dimensions of a field? From what I've seen
>on TV, it looks like they're at least 150-200 m in length.

Field dimensions vary.  Someone in Australia with a football
yearbook handy might be able to give you specific dimensions, but if
I recall, Moorabbin is about 173-175m long, and Waverley's boundries
are marked at 180m long (although from fence to fence, I think it's
200m).

There are no set rules as to the dimensions of the ground.
HIstorically, matches were just played on grounds designed for use
by cricketers during the summer, so it was a matter of chance how
big they are (you see, there are no set dimensions for the size of
cricket grounds, either....)

Sometimes the size - and shape - of grounds can take on ridiculous
proportions.  I remember in high school when we played on a ground
that was so small, you could kick a goal from the half-back flank
with a decent kick (we called it the "postage stamp").  There was
another ground - at Carey, I think - where a tree encroached so
close to the ground, that the boundary was actually drawn indented a
number of meters.  It often affected the strategy of the game.  The
forward line were asked by coches to keep it away from the
tree-affetcted flank, lest it become too conjested, whilst the
backline happily kept the ball in that area when defending
grimly...


>
>2.  How does a field umpire indicate when a player has taken a mark? The TV


The umpire usually holds his two hands up (ususally in front of his
face) as if himself emulating a mark being taken.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: Rules & Mechanics Questions
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:07:51 GMT

tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:

>In article <78021@hydra.gatech.EDU> vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart) writes:
>>Two questions:
>>
>>1.  What are the recommended/typical dimensions of a field? From what I've seen
>>on TV, it looks like they're at least 150-200 m in length.

>Field dimensions vary.  Someone in Australia with a football
>yearbook handy might be able to give you specific dimensions, but if
>I recall, Moorabbin is about 173-175m long, and Waverley's boundries
>are marked at 180m long (although from fence to fence, I think it's
>200m).

>There are no set rules as to the dimensions of the ground.
I think there is a recommended size for grounds, but i can't think what it is!
Something like 185m x 145m or something like that...

>HIstorically, matches were just played on grounds designed for use
>by cricketers during the summer, so it was a matter of chance how
>big they are (you see, there are no set dimensions for the size of
>cricket grounds, either....)

mark.
From: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM 
Subject: Re: chicago.bears2
Reply-To: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:40:55 GMT


In article 42575@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>In article <104589@bu.edu> scotty@bu.edu (walid tamari) writes:
>>
>>             The Chicago Bears do indeed find themselves..
>
>I'm not quite sure what this is doing in here.  When I first read
>the subject header, I was hoping that it may have been a comparative
>essay on the struggling Chicago Bears with a struggling AFL side.
>
>Alas, it had nothing to do with Aussie Rules.  So what is it doing
>here....?
>

Looks like a posting error by somebody who's now wondering why his
post didn't show up in r.s.f.american !

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From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Vale Fitzroy ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:58:12 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne


I heard on the ABC news this morning that a meeting of AFL club directors
yesterday did _not_ agree to guarantee Fitzroy's requested loan of $1.5 
million. Fitzroy are trying to arrange talks with Westpac, who don't want
to make an unsecured loan (after all, Warwick Fairfax still owes them
about a billion :-) ). I don't know what this means for Fitzroy's future,
but it doesn't look too flash at the moment. Personally, I think the
other clubs showed some business acumen yesterday, even though I have a
soft spot for the Lions. I just don't see where their support in the
future can come from.

	Andrew Davies
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: AFFL Survey Results
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:59:09 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

	Most of the teams in this years AFFL voted on best players at
	each position. Here are the results. ()'s indicate first place votes.


QB-
1. S. Young		SEATTLE	(10)	58pts
2. D. Marino		MILWAUKEE (1)	23pts
3. R. Cunningham 	SUSSEX		13pts

RB-
1. E. Smith		FLORIDA (7)	47pts
2. B. Foster		SAN RAFAEL (1)	27pts
3. T. Thomas		COLUMBUS (2)	22pts

WR-
1. S. Sharpe		SUSSEX (5)	39pts
2. J. Rice		SUSSEX (4)	30pts
3. M. Irvin		CALIFORNIA (1)  15pts

TE-
1. K. Jackson		SUSSEX (6)	37pts
2. J. Novachek		MINNESOTA (2)	23pts
3. B. Jones		HAWAII (1)	14pts

K-
1. P. Stoyanovich	SAN RAFAEL (9)	45pts
2. C. Lohmiller		MINNESOTA (1)	21pts
3. S. Christie		MILWAUKEE	12pts

DEFENSIVE TEAM-
1. Minnesota		MINNESOTA (4)	33pts
2. New Orleans		DALLAS (2)	32pts
3. Dallas		SUSSEX (2)	20pts

AFFL MVP-
1. E. Smith		FLORIDA (5)	36pts
2. S. Young		SEATTLE (2)	24pts
3. B. Foster		SAN RAFAEL (1)	14pts

BIGGEST BUST THIS YEAR-
1. B. Sanders		CALIFORNIA (5)	31pts
2. W. Moon		SEATTLE (1)	19pts
3. G. Green		CALIFORNIA (1)	 9pts
3. R. Cunningham	SUSSEX (1)	 9pts

AFFL Coach of the Year-
1. Rex Jakobovits	SEATTLE (4)	28pts
2. Mark Gresbach	MINNESOTA (2)	18pts
2. Jason Brunk		FLORIDA (1)	18pts

FINAL TOP 5 RANKINGS-
1. Seattle (9)	48pts
2. Minnesota	27pts
2. Columbus	27pts
4. Florida (1)	24pts
5. Milwaukee	14pts

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly)
Subject: SFL Divisional playoff results
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.misc
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:30:23 GMT

The SFL SuperBowl has been set, and here is how the two teams made it.

NFC:
	S.W.A.T 							19
	Skankadelics			12

The Skanks win the division, but can't make the SuperBowl trip. Barry
Foster's measly 25 yard output was a big nail in the coffin. Neither team
was very impressive, but the Skanks -4 on defense was the nail in the
coffin. S.W.A.T came up with a -12 and the win. 

AFC:
	Lambs														11
	Seek and Destroy				9

In THE upset of the year, the Lambs have their best game of the year, and
pull off the stunning upset. Defense ruled, and this game came down to
monday night, with Marco Coleman going for the Lambs in a tie game. The
sack pulled a win out for the Lambs. Both teams would have won in the NFC
game.
  The loss of Warren Moon proved to be too much for Seek and Destroy. A
perfect 13-0 regular season gone. This means no repeat champion in the SFL
this year. The Lambs now advance to the title game with a regular season
record of 6-7. both teams were wildcard entries in the playoffs.

As for the SuperBowl game, I don't see the Lambs having two "miracle" weeks
in a row. They had their highest offensive and defensive output EVER last
week, and only won by two points. Seek and Destroy was hindered by a very
lackluster Houston performance. I see S.W.A.T winning the SFL title this
year, after not even making the playoffs last year.

Jamie D. Beverly
Acrobat Technical Support
Sugar Bombs Roadie
Adobe Hounds of Rebound All-Time Leading Scorer
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: What is a REVERSE angle ??
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:13:37 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: na
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <s5ugxk.724624854@sun330>, s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
>I have heard about and actually seen a revese angle shot.
>However I have not yet figured out what a reverse angle
>shot gives you that is NOT in the " regular " angle shot ??
>
Reverse angle, actually just a different point of reference,
can let you see if a player actually caught the ball or fumbled
the ball or crossed the goalline or etc.  If you can only see the 
plays from one angle, there are lots of things you can't see.
Somebody being in the way, or the pile blocks the view of the
runner, or something that wasn't in the camera's vision.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker)
Subject: What is a REVERSE angle ??
Organization: Fannie Mae
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:40:54 GMT




I have heard about and actually seen a revese angle shot.
However I have not yet figured out what a reverse angle
shot gives you that is NOT in the " regular " angle shot ??

Can someone clarify my clouded mind, please ?


Girish      


-- 

Girish Kumthekar		Unix Technical Support

E mail address : girish@fnma.com
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: AFFL: Week15 Playoff Results-
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:16:16 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


	AFFL Playoff Results

Florida 7 Milwaukee 51
OFF FL 40 MI 76
DEF FL 25 MI 33

	Scoring Breakdown:

	Florida Falconeers		Milwaukee Missiles

	QB B. Brister	PIT	0pts	QB D. Marino	MIA	13pts
	RB E. Smith	DAL    12pts	RB L. White	HOU	17pts
	RB R. Harmon	SD     11pts	RB H. Green	CIN	 8pts
	WR H. Jefferies HOU     5pts	RB R. Cobb	TB	13pts
	WR C. Duncan	HOU    10pts	WR J. Lofton	BUF	 5pts
	WR J. Birden	KC      2pts	WR M. Duper	MIA	10pts
	K  M. Bahr	NYG	0pts	K  S. Christie	BUF	 7pts
	OFF Kansas City	        0pts	OFF Minnesota		 0pts
	DEF Buffalo	      -25pts	DEF Philadelphia       -33pts
					HOME FIELD ADV		 3pts
	
	Milwaukee advanced pass the first round with a solid defeat
	of the Florida Falconeers. Milwaukee was led by RB L. White's
	17pts and 3 other players in double digits. A strong showing
	by its Philadelphia defense also helped. Florida struggled on
	offense, as QB B. Brister was shut out. Florida was led by
	AFFL MVP for the year E. Smith's 12pts. Milwaukee will advance
	to the next round of the playoffs to face California.


Columbus 35 Minnesota 32
OFF CO 63 MN 55
DEF CO 23 MN 28

	Scoring Breakdown:

	Columbus Grim Reapers		Minnesota Machine
	QB C. Chandler	PHX	 9pts	QB J. Everett	RAM	11pts
	RB T. Thomas	BUF	20pts	RB T. Allen	MIN	 9pts
	RB H. Walker	PHI	16pts	RB H. Sherman	PHI	 6pts
	RB M. Butts	SD	 6pts	WR J. Taylor	SF	 4pts
	WR J. Graham	PIT	 3pts	WR A. Miller	SD	 9pts
	WR M. Jackson	DEN	 4pts	WR H. Moore	DET	 5pts
	K  N. Johnson	ATL	 5pts	K  C. Lohmiller WAS	 7pts
	OFF Cincinnati		 0pts	OFF Houston		 1pts
	DEF Seattle	       -23pts	DEF Kansas City	       -28pts
					HOME FIELD ADV		 3pts

	Columbus pulled off the upset and defeated the Machine in front
	of thier home crowd. Columbus was led by RB T. Thomas's 20pts,
	and RB H. Walker's 16pts. But the deciding factor was the play
	of the defense's. In the last meeting between the two clubs,
	Columbus played its Cincinnati defense which scored them 2pts,
	this time around the Seattle Defense came through for enough
	to beat the Machine. Minnesota's offense sputtered, as QB
	J. Everett led all scorers with 11pts. Columbus moves to the 
	next round of the playoffs to face Seattle.


AFFL PLAYOFFS-

Florida		7---\
		     -Milwaukee-----\
Milwaukee      51---/                ----------------\
		     -California----/		      \
						       \
Columbus       35---\			  	       /
	 	     -Columbus-------\                /
Minnesota      32---/		     ----------------/
		     -Seattle--------/
From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: Football Training
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:07:39 GMT
	<168AF110D3.SC260307@ysub.ysu.edu>
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.

Hi folks,

Sorry to interrupt, I'm just testing, so please ignore me.

Eric.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Subject: Re: What is a REVERSE angle ??
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:34:51 GMT

In article <s5ugxk.724624854@sun330> s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
>I have heard about and actually seen a revese angle shot.
>However I have not yet figured out what a reverse angle
>shot gives you that is NOT in the " regular " angle shot ??
>Can someone clarify my clouded mind, please ?
>
>Girish      
>
>Girish Kumthekar		Unix Technical Support
>E mail address : girish@fnma.com

Television broadcasters discovered fairly early on that changing the
side of the field that a sport is viewed from can be confusing to the
viewer who isn't expecting it ("honey, why is he running the wrong
way?").  That is why virtually all of the cameras are placed on one
side of the field, and why that one or two camera(s) that are placed
on the other side are identified as "reverse angles" when shown.

Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
my opinions are my own...
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 13288@leland.Stanford.EDU, elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.225241.48667@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>>... 
>>...USC just cannot beat ND, period...
>>...we just cannot beat ND...
>>...So USC will become weaker and weaker and ND stronger and stronger...
>>...Even if USC can beat ND next year or year after, but in the long run,
>>        ND is still a much better team...
>>...why do we have to keep a better team as a yearly rivalry?...
>>...Believe me, I still hope USC [will] beat ND next year at South Bend.
>>        But, that'll need a miracle...
>>...
>
>Wow.  I have never heard anyone so down on their own team who wasn't
>kidding.  What are you, manic depressive?  Anyone (even U$C) can beat
>any other team on any given day, U$C will not get weaker and weaker
>(still does well in getting players drafted in NFL - the real key to
>attracting recruits), ND will not necessarily be the better team in
>the long run, and miracles do indeed happen.  Seriously, take a pill
>or something - you need help.  Not that I will be rooting for you -
>you are U$C after all :-)
>
>......Elson "still happy about South Bend 1990 and 1992, but still pissed
>            by how ND rubbed it in our face in Palo Alto in 1991"...
>


Yeah, there you go!  If "Stun"ford can take out Notre Dame in South Bend,
then there should certainly be hope for USC!  Of course you shouldn't mind
me too much since I went to Florida State and we have our own little uneven
series problem to deal with!  Let's see ... we will still have Ward and
Toretta is outa here!!!  Time for FSU to "break in" a new Miami QB like
we did for Gino in 1989.  There is hope!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Heisman and Fishing (was Re: U of Miami announces the Heisman winner)
Keywords: neaux clues
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:00:06 GMT

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>hyderabadi writes:
>>
>>Who else.. the Lee Corso's favorite player..
>>
>>In a press guide [containing players biographies]
>>sent to the Daily Aztec, the San Diego
>>State U newspaper, the U of Miami declared GT the winner of the Heisman
>>this year. Included in all the awards given to GT over the years, right
>>along the Bob Hope Oldest Man in College Football trophy, was the Heisman.
>
>GT?
>
>Alright. I'll admit Glenn Tanner might make the r.s.f.c All-Angler list,
>but by golly he ain't no Heisman-calibur fisherman.
>
>--J.J.
>(the slaughterback gets my vote)

Hell, if I had known I was in the running for the Heisman, I would have voted 
for myself instead of Freiburger.

GT
From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:34:13 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

>In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>
>   >I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>   >net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>   >far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>
>   >Bowl			Location
>   >----			--------
>   >California Raisin	Fresno CA
>   >Bluebonnet		??
>   >Tangerine 		??
>   >Garden State
>   >Cherry
>
>

How about the Boardwalk Bowl, played in Atlantic City?  I believe
that this game was played a few times in the 70's (maybe before
that as well) between "College Division" teams.  When the NCAA
went to the new format these schools became Division II.  My sports
almanac doesn't mention this game.  Does anyone have more details?


-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:15:54 GMT

A question: Who do many of you think should have won the Heisman instead of Tim
Brown?

     Many people have said he was an undeserving candidate, or that Rocket 
'payed for the sins of Tim Brown', etcetera ad nauseam. Who else that year 
should have won it? Don Mcpherson? Gordie Lockbaum?

Karl Schudt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:22:28 GMT


Hey Gino, congrats. And ...  NICE SOCKS!!!!!

(White socks with a suit?)

By the way, how old IS Gino?
He looks at least 35.




-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Mythical state legislation
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.175009.18705@b11.b11.ingr.com>,
guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) wrote:

> Also, didn't the state legislature mandate that the Florida teams all 
> play each other?  

This is a common, but incorrect, impression. Way back in the mid-late
1950's, Florida was ignoring FSU, and FSU was clamoring for a crack
at the gators. The legislature was rumbling about making it a law,
something the govenor at the time didn't want to happen. So when he
was the guest of UF's president, he causually let is be known that
he'd be real upset if FSU-UF didn't settle this themselves. They did,
and the rest is history.

Since Miami is a *private* institution, there's very little that the
legislature could do them.

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Keywords: ITS GOSPEL
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:54:38 GMT

In article <BzBw2x.MvL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt) writes:
>Face it everyone, the University of Notre Dame is the
>greatest college football institution on the PLANET!!
[...]
>
>Chris Brandt
>
>Flame all you want, but you know its true!
>
>e-mail:  brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>

Just too bad you couldn't get in, huh?



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:08:41 GMT

In article <92353.113638JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> Let's face it; they were going to have trouble getting a major I-A
> coach with the impending probation.  Rumor has it that Dennis Erickson
> was interested in the job, but his wife did not want to live waay
> out in East Jesus.
> 
Well, you can believe this or not, but I'm pretty sure Auburn had a
commitment from Don James several weeks before Dye announced his
resignation.  When the Washington program started emitting strong
odors, though, it was not in Auburn's or James' best interest to
go through with it.  (James was in Auburn a few days *before* the
Iron Bowl.)

I have heard and read on many occasions (and not just in the 
Alabama media ;-) that Auburn is variously considered one of the
10 or 20 best coaching jobs in the country for a variety of reasons:
the extremely lucrative outside income (radio and tv shows, endorsements,
etc.), the we're-with-you-win-lose-or-draw nature of the fan support,
the great Alabama/Georgia/Florida recruiting base, the facilities,
the quality of the program over several decades, etc.
>
> Auburn's going to have a rough few years ahead of them, but they
> were going to have that anyway.  If they ditch Wayne Hall, they'll
> be in for several extra tough years.
> 
They may not be as rough as you think.  Word is, Auburn will get 1 year
probation (provided they "clean house"), and a 1 year loss of 5 scholar-
ships.  1 year probation at most of the major programs doesn't scare
off many recruits, since they'll probably redshirt the first year anyway.
Also, the level of talent is not down nearly as much as a lot of people
seem to think.  Auburn doesn't lose much on either side of the ball to
graduation this year, although James Willis' defection to the NFL will
hurt.  I agree that losing Wayne Hall will be a *major* blow, if it
happens (and I assume it will as part of the general house-cleaning),
but Auburn's defense will still have lots of talent whoever's coaching
them.

Larry Owen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college