HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: miaoh@milton.u.washington.edu (Hanjin Miao)
Subject: 386 DX25 for sale
Reply-To: miaoh@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:43:25 GMT



   
   386 DX25 for sale

   Hurry! Great Deal: 386/25 whole system with:
     80386 25MHz
     80287 FPU coprocessor
     4Mb simm 70ns
     65M Hard Disk 
      (have installed software to expand the capacity of HD,
       currently used as 100Mb)
      1 Serial port
      1 parallel port
      1 5" Floppy disk drive (1.2M)
      1 3" Floppy disk drive (1.44M)
      Silver Hercules monochrome monitor (13")
      bus mouse Microsoft compatiable
      101 enhanced keyboard

The whole system is less than one year old. 

sk for $850.00 obo plus S&H

If you are serious interested in buying it, please reply:
  e-mail: miaoh@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Wanted: Visual Basic
From: b97459@asbt01.gedlab.allied.com (JIM JOHNSON)
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:33:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ASAC, GED, Phoenix, Az


	I want a copy of Visual Basic. If you have a copy that you want to
sell let me know.
-- 
James L. Johnson   Allied-Signal Aerospace, Garrett Engine Division, Phoenix, Az
Aeronet: GED::ASBT01::B97459		Internet:B97459@asbt01.gedlab.allied.com
UUCP: ...!{hrc|mcdphx|asuvax}!gedphx!decnet!asbt01!b97459
From: dwanders@ecn.purdue.edu (David W Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: ** 16 Bit RLL **
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:46:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

I've got a 16 bit WD RLL 2fd/2hd controller to sell. 

$40 OBO

Dave

dwanders@ecn.purdue.edu
Xref: sparky misc.forsale.computers:31677 ba.market.computers:4205
From: ai@netcom.com (Dave Mintz)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,ba.market.computers
Subject: ******** APPLE TOKENTALK NB (SNA) NUBUS CARD for SALE *******
Keywords: Apple TokenTalk sale
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:06:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

**********************************************************************

For sale: 

	2 x Apple TokenTalk NB Nubus Token Ring card
	(for SNA Token Ring network communications)

*  Apple equipment

*  In excellent condition, original boxes, etc.

*  For comparison:  
	
	New Apple TokenTalk card:  ~ $750

*  Where: Bay Area, could ship in the U.S. via COD or other means

*  Price: $500 each or best offer (not including shipping)


Please respond via email with questions, offers to:  ai@netcom.com

**********************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: kcrook@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Prince Of Amber)
Subject: Wanted: Modem for Apple // computer
Keywords: Apple //, modem
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:24:45 GMT

A friend of mine needs to get a modem for his Apple // computer.  If
anyone has one to sell please contact him at:

jcone@ucs.indiana.edu

Please do not email me about this as I am just posting it for him. 


Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: smb@col.hp.com (Sam Bauer)
Subject: >>PC GAME: Sherlock Holmes(CD-ROM)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:54:05 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

CD-ROM PC GAME FOR SALE	

****** Sherlock Holmes - Consulting Detective  (CD-ROM) *******
by ICOM

Requires: CD-ROM Drive (150KB Data Transfer Rate. Continuous Read)
	  12Mhz/286 or better IBM PC or Compatable
	  640K RAM - (490K available).
	  Dos 3.3 or higher
	  Sound Blaster/Media Vision Audio Card or compatable.

This game has spectacular Audio and Video, over 90 minutes of full motion
video.  The three cases are well done and the acting is good.  It reminds
me of a BBC production.  Gameplay and interface is also quite good.  
Unfortunately, re-visiting characters later in the game when more clues 
have been uncovered does not yield new information, they just tell you the
same thing.  The game is also fairly short.  Expect to spend 2 to 5 hours
on each case.  You will have to interview many people, consult your files,
London Library, even read the Times.  Replay is encouraged through a scoring
mechanism that reports how well you did compared to Holmes' best possible 
score.  I found that replay goes very quickly and is fun but doesn't succeed
in extending the games "play life" much.  What does lend to the replay value
is the shear impressiveness of the video and audio.  This game was made for
CD-ROM, and uses around 300 Meg of storage.  Game save is possible to a floppy
or hard disk.

The game comes on a CD in a standard plastic CD "jewel box", with all 
documentation (including the printed copy of the on-line London Times 
editions needed to solve the cases), and registration.  Also comes in the
original cardboard CD box.   I am the original owner.

I will sell the game for $42.

I will pay shipping.  It will be mailed inside a box with packing.

EMail at smb@col.hp.com or call 1-719-531-4460 (days).

Sam Bauer, Hewlett Packard CTD, Colo. Sprgs CO.
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,rec.games.misc
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: MS-DOS games for sale
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:23:57 GMT

I have the following MS-DOS games I'd like to sell (all are 5 1/4" disks
unless otherwise noted):

Falcon 3.0		$35
Carrier Command		$15
Day of the Viper	$10
Falcon AT (5/3)		$20
Drakkhen (3)		$20
Heart of China (3 HD)	$25
Hard Nova		$15
War in Middle Earth	$10
Heroes of the Lance/	$30
Dragons of Flame/
Hillsfar 3-pack (3)
Vette! (3/5)		$25

All are complete with boxes, manuals, etc EXCEPT registration cards.
All prices are NEGOTIABLE - if you think I'm asking too much, make me
an offer and I'll consider it.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: jamesh@pain.la.ca.us (James Hsiung)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: USR 16.8 HST for sale
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:14:56 GMT
Organization: Public Access Info Network  (818/776-1447)

USRobotics 16.8k HST, $350 (including shipping). The modem is in perfect 
condition. It comes with manual, power supply, 6ft RS232 cable, new ROMS, 
etc. There is no box though.


--
jamesh@pain.la.ca.us
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject:    --->>>  wordperfect 5.1 for windows   <<<---
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:01:01 GMT


This is not an upgrade but the complete set.


Suggested value   ==  $499
Retail value      ==  $250

Asking only $170  obo        I will pay shipping   (COD pl add $5)
                  ^^^
-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK 
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Reviews wanted: mailorder vendor names follow
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:58:01 GMT

In article <paranoid.715550456@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> paranoid@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Brett Patrick Schuster) writes:
>perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep2.231514.28920@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>>Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>>I'm getting into the market for a PC currently and am considering buying
>>>mine mailorder.  I would like to get reviews/impressions from any of you
>>>who have dealt with the following companies, both positive and negative:
>>>
>>>Cornell 
>>>TC (formerly Treasure Chest)
>>>Fast Micro
>>>ExpoTech
>>>Rite
>>>PC Compleat
>>>
>>>For those who are interested, I'm interested in getting into either a
>>>386DX/33 or 40 or a 486SX/25 with as much bang for my buck as possible.
>
>>I'd like to thank the two people who have already replied to this call,
>>and look for more reviews in the near future.  I'd like to add a name to
>>this list:  
>
>>Quantex.
>
>>As above, any comments on Quantex, or any of the other companies, both
>>positive and negative, are greatly appreciated.
>
>>Thanks again.
>>-- 
>Thats real nice but how about shareing some of it with the rest of us.

I will gladly share the results of this call with the net in about a
week's time, to allow for enough time for all the answers to come
through.  If those of you who responded don't want this to be posted on
the net, or distributed in email, please let me know by email and your
wishes will be followed. 


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
From: electro@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Eric L Patterson)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NEEDED old novell
Date: 4 Sep 1992 09:07:28 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu

I am a poor college student who has picked up a few net cards and now
need some sort of lan software to go with....
the purpose of this lan is to gain experience (not a business)...
If you have some old novell software, please let me know....
thanks
Eric
-- 
				 Eric L. Patterson  (N0SJW)
Mr. Postman,          /\         Electro@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Send me a letter.    /\/\        1517 Oxford RD.  Appt. 17
                     \/\/        Manhattan KS  66506 
Xref: sparky misc.forsale.computers:32156 comp.sys.amiga.marketplace:7164
From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Subject: 1084S monitor forsale
Date: 4 Sep 1992 19:09:23 GMT
Organization: San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu
Originator: simon@ivem


For Sale:

	Commodore 1084S monitor.  Works great.

	Stereo speakers.

	Asking $200


-- 
*   Simon Lee              *   Microscopy and Imaging Resource          *
*   simon@ivem.ucsd.edu    *   Intermediate Voltage Electron Microscopy *
*   sulee@ucsd.edu         *   UC San Diego, Dept. of Neuroscience      *
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From: graesserac@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: TRADE: Amiga (+$) -> laptop/notebook
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:11:43 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

I've come to the conclusion that I'm quite stuck, and need something to
use for schoolwork (not that my system isn't capable, its just not compatible,
and I'd rather not put all the money into it...)


My system:
 Amiga 500 rev.5a motherboard
 42meg Conner cp3000 hard drive (installed internally)
 AdIDE hard drive controller
 AdRAM board w/2megs installed
 rev 2.04 rom on motherboard
 rev 1.3 rom included in deal
 hard drive full 'o' PD stuff (games, utils, mostly utils)
 DSS Digital Sound Studio sound digitizer
 ~200 disks w/pd stuff, games, utils, etc.
 mouse
 Priceton Ultrasync multisync monitor
 A501 internal memory expansion/clock card (512k) (not installed, the AdRAM is)
 old (more stable, sturdy) 500 keyboard, modified so it sits outside case
   on about 5' of wiring (nice if you can hide the comp in a desk drawer) 
 internal and external floppy drives
 Strata 2400 baud modem
 68010 chip included in deal
 

Runs great, nice system...just begging for an accelerator.

I would like to trade it for a 286 or 386 laptop/notebook, as long as it has
at least one floppy, a hard drive of reasonable size (at least 30mb) and a
modem...must work properly.

I would be willing to throw in some $$$ if the trade warrants it...

I can be contacted at this email address, 'cause my account is down this week.
It will be up next week, and the address is: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu

I would prefer a phone call (evenings) @ (901) 678-7939.

Thanks,
Mark Langston
From: cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: 3M DC600A data cartridge for slae
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:46:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

I have 5 3M DC 600A data cartridge tapes for sale.  They have been used
very little, one of them never (still in shrink wrap). 

I'm asking $10 for the lot and you pay shipping.   

Charles

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles Marshall            Bitnet: cjmarsha@flint.mines.colorado.edu
Information Services        Usenet: cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu 
Colorado School of Mines
From: cg@saint.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Looking for maxpeed serial board
Keywords: maxpeed serial board
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:12:28 GMT


Hi there,

  I am looking for a Maxpeed serial card for my 386 system.  Please
  e-mail or give me a call if you have one for sale.  Or simply
  point to me the source where I am able to find one.

  Thank you!

-cg-	CG Sheng  Motorola Computer Group
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	Address:   2001 Logic Drive  San Jose, CA 95124
	Phone:     (408)369-4267  FAX:(408) 369-4125
	UUCP:      {apple,pyramid}!motcsd!cg
	Internet:  cg@ca41.csd.mot.com
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar Hicolor card 4 Sale (Tseng 4000)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:45:15 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Aug30.185422.3727@spcvxb.spc.edu>, mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> For sale:
> 
> Brand new (unused and still in original box) Diamond Speedstar
> Plus Hicolor SVGA card.  I even have the diskette with the Diamond
> Windows 3.1 drivers.  Included are all the original docs, and
> Winrix drawing software package (I have no idea what this is
> since I haven't tried it).
> 
> $100 or best offer.

It's gone.  I'm getting so many replies that I cannot respond
to everyone.  

Best regards,

Chris
From: dohle@vax2.concordia.ca (Gordon Dohle)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Mac SE/30 wanted
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:28:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Looking for a Mac SE/30, bare bones or all the
bells and whistles. If you have one for sale,
please let me know how it is configured and how
much you want for it.

Thanks

Gordon
Dohle@vax2.Concordia.ca
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale
From: howery@spot.Colorado.EDU (HOWERY ROBERT S)
Subject: HP 19B CALCULATOR FOR SALE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:14:36 GMT

I'm looking to get rid of a Hewlett-Packard 19B Business Consultant II
calculator.  It has all kinds of financial and business statistics
capabilities, 8K (maybe 6K) of RAM -stores a fair amount of text and
formulas, infrared printer interface, etc.  I'm not sure what it is
worth, so I'll entertain offers for about a week.  A new one goes for
around $160 at the campus book store, much cheaper by mail-order or
wherever I would think.  I'd like to get about $80, but will consider any
reasonable offer.  C.O.D. shipping extra.

Rob Howery
howery@spot.colorado.edu
(303)443-5438

Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,misc.wanted
From: sasgsh@clion.unx.sas.com (Greg Hester)
Subject: Re: Number needed, American Megatrends, Inc.
Originator: sasgsh@clion.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:05:32 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Keywords: Phone number,


In article <cwikla.714757475@morrison.wri.com>, cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla) writes:
>       Does anyone have/know the number of American Megatrends, Inc?
>
>  They make compatibles, 386's and such...
>--
>o  John L. Cwikla          o
> o  X Programmer            o
>  o  Wolfram Research, Inc.  o
>   o cwikla@wri.com           o


If someone knows, send it to me too as I need to call them too....


Thanks!!
-- 
Greg Hester   |                              | "Don't let the URGENT
C Analyst II  | SAS Institute, Cary NC (USA) |  things steal time from
C Comp. Prod. | (919) 677-8008               |  the IMPORTANT things."
From: zgeo0a@hou.amoco.com (Greg Ochab,PSC)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: What the hell with PREMIE
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:06:31 GMT
Reply-To: zgeo0a@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article uupcb@satalink.com, john.will@satalink.com (John Will) writes:
>()>I am really getting sick of the word PREMIER as an adjective when describing
>()>out of date Windows software.  Please refrain from further usage.
>
>I'm getting tired of idiots posting stupid bitches here, pleas refrain!
>---

Don't you realize you just complained about yourself?


Gregory E. Ochab.                                         Standard disclaimer applies.
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: bchen@wpi.WPI.EDU (Bi Chen)
Subject: Re: Requested MEMORY PRICES
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:38:35 GMT


I add one low price source

CLYMAX computer 215-244-9380
SIMM 70ns 1Mx9 $26.00

not bad?
From: drk@cs.washington.edu (Daniel Kerns)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Lightning Effects DSP Card for MAC (Photoshop, Adobe)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:22:51 GMT
Distribution: misc
Organization: The University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195, USA

From: Peter Kerns (ADMSK904@ksuvxa.kent.edu)

I have a DSP card for NuBus Macs.  I use an LC which has a PDS slot and
IIsi's at work which also use PDS, so I can't use it.  The card is Lighning
Effects from Spectral Innovations and is for speeding up the filters and
other things in Adobe Photoshop.  This would have been great for the Lab at
work, however, the adapter card for NuBus to PDS is $175 at university
prices.

Anyway, it is very expensive and I would like to sell it.  It retails for
$895.  I am willing to sell it for as little as $600.

Phone Number (216)672-2424 (Work-day) and my e-mail address
ADMSK904@ksuvxa.kent.edu.

	Pete
From: jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: WANTED: 386/486
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:00:06 GMT
Organization: occasional on alternate Tuesdays


	I'm looking for a 386/486 with 100meg hard drive (or more) for a not
totally insane price.  If you or someone you know is selling a 386/486 for a 
good price let me know.  I really need to upgrade from my Apple ][e  =).

Reply via e-mail or call 317-495-9716.


John
-- 
John A Clear                      PP-ASEL
jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu          C/LTC, CAP-NYW
clearja@sage.cc.purdue.edu
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From: dohle@vax2.concordia.ca (Gordon Dohle)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Mac IIci or Cx wanted
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:32:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Looking for a Mac IIci or IIcx. Prefer 4/80 but
willing to look at more heavily configured machines.

If you have one for sale, please let me know how it
is configured and how much you want for it.

Thanks

Gordon
Dohle@vax2.Concordia.ca
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Wanted Headless Sun 3 for under $600...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:30:47 GMT


If anyone has a Sun 3 for under $600 that is headless please email me...
CW
-- 
Carlin Wiegner a.k.a. C-Man based here in Cleveland, Ohio, USA!
aj681@cleveland.freenet.edu or rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu
"Anything less [than a NeXT] would be uncivilized..."
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Re: SONY MO drive SCSI (650MB on removeable cartridges)
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:57:07 GMT
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design

In article <1992Sep2.160827.1292@godzilla.quotron.com> mark@godzilla.quotron.com (Mark Price) writes:
>In reference to my previous article:
>>> Sony Optical Eraseable full-height drive holds 650Mb per removeable
>>> cartridge.  It acts just like a regular hard drive except it uses
>>> removable cartridges.  The cartridges cost about $159 to $179 mail
>>> order.
>
>Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Is it really as fast as a HD ?
>

The tests on mine were showing someting about 450KB/sec read write.
This is through the filesystem (not a raw read write).
The specs were saying something above 650KB/sec (I guess they talked
about the raw read/write with direct access.
In overall it is about half the speed of my Maxtor 340SY SCSI drive.
Pretty fast.

>Depends on the hard drive.  For modern hard drives the answer would be
>no.
>
>I don't know all of the technical specs, but the average (long-stroke)
>seek time for the SONY MO drive is 80ms.  When I said that it acts like
>a regular hard drive I was talking about how the software sees the
>drive -- no special drivers are required.

True. All I did was just plug in. I use it on Amiga 3000.

>>> Package includes:
>>>
>>>       Sony SMO-D501 Magneto-Optical drive (Sony-ESDI), Internal.
>>>       Sony SMO-C501 Sony-ESDI to SCSI adapter
>>>       One cartridge
>>>
>>> Asking price: $1450, plus shipping COD (New cost is approx. $3,000)

--Dariusz Bolski

-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu
From: jyehoon@wam.umd.edu (Jye-hoon Lee)
Subject: For Sale: Hayes Smartmodem 2400 External
Originator: jyehoon@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:18:38 GMT

I want to sell a two year old genuine external Hayes Smartmodem 2400.

Please make me an offer.

jlee@cs.umd.edu
Organization: Junior, Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 21:36:39 -0400 
From: Aaron Marcus Skalka <as4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MACINTOSH IICX

MACINTOSH IICX FOR SALE.

80 MEG HARD DRIVE
4 MEG RAM
13" COLOR MONITOR (BRAND NEW WITH FULL WARRANTY)
EXTENDED KEYBOARD

PLUS MUCH MUCH MORE.

IF THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE MACHINE YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR GIVE ME A CALL
AT 412-268-5305 OR BY E-MAIL.
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale,comp.multimedia,misc.books.technical