HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:05:34 GMT
 <1992Aug23.135650.1898@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <1992Aug23.192833.6408@news.acns.nwu.edu> <25214@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <25214@castle.ed.ac.uk>, sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>our busy with each other.)  I admit I haven't done my share of flirtation
>>and light fluffy conversation -- can I make it up to you all somehow ? ;)
> 
> Do I fit into "others" or "notorious flirts" here?  I don't think I
> could exactly call myself a world traveller, but I am at any rate now
> back from the US, so I guess it's time for
> 
> ObFlirt
> -------
> *Hug*, *snuggle* and a monstrous big *flirt* to you all out there!  To
> be dealt in person to those lucky enough to be at Norwich this weekend
> for UK BiCon.
	And a big flirt right back to you, Sara!  <Lowers sunglasses
slowly>  And you are looking so...worldly.  <Pats couch right next to
him.>  Won't you think about taking me around the world?  You do it so
well!  ;)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Time to start the weekend!
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:23:54 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

<Matt walks back into the netroom after a long day....>
	Well, it's Friday, and I'm sitting in front of my terminal,
just settling down into my usual weekend routine...namely having a
good time!
	Yes, I'm still in a good mood, and I have to thank everyone
here for that--and people say flirting isn't good for you!  Well, I
don't know about Alfred, Roy, or Steven, but I'm feeling *much*
better....
	Has anyone heard from Peg?  <settles down on Peg's couch,
stretches lazily, attracting a couple of appreciative stares.>  Guess
I'll have to keep this couch in good working order, won't I?  <Looks
around room making eye contact with nearly everyone, stretches lazily
again.>  Anyone want to help me keep the couch in good condition?  I
know Peg would want it that way!
	<A few people come over.  Matt smiles, opening a bottle of Dom
Perignon and pouring it into a narrow flute.  He smiles again>  To the
weekend--may every fantasy you have come true!  <Raises champagne
flute to lips, sips, and lowers the glass>  And if you need any help,
just call me...I seem to have a finger in everything.... (take that
any way you want to!)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
>libertarians and the socialists.  They'd agree on human rights issues
>and duke it out over economic ones.  

Unfortunately, most socialists believe that human rights and economic
issues are inextricably linked.  E.g. there's no advantage in abortions
being legal if you Have to pay for them and you can't afford it.  So
the two parties wouldn't necessarily agree qfter all.

Dave.
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:12:33 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Aug30.031254.2616@midway.uchicago.edu> (soc.bi), h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
> 
> Yep, that happened to me when I was getting The Economist in my name.
> I subscribed to keep up with the Right, and got The Nation to keep up
> with the Left.  The junk mail was very strange that year.

My junk mail is strange every election year.
> 
> Why don't you?  You can use the postage-paid envelope they sent you.
> You might want to include something heavy in it.  Like a brick.

Better yet lead slugs and Monopoly money.  Gets their hopes up. :-)

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Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Mr Right
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:18:30 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>   I was having an awfully long talk with Coe the other day,
She tells me that you managed to keep her up until 5am.  And without
even touching her.  Not bad.

>and among the
>many things we discussed was the old saw about "lesbians just needing the
>right guy". I diffidently pointed out that if there *was* some hypothetical
>male that was supposedly good enough to turn the heads of lesbians, I'd
>sure like to meet him!
Me too.  (I think).

Ellen
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11671 alt.polyamory:1123
From: woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Bi pamphlet
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:39:50 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au


   I now have an ASCII version available of a Bi pamphlet my sweetie & I
put together a few weeks ago for our campus GL(but not B) Pride Day.

   Several people in alt.polyamory have expressed an interest in it,
possibly as a guide to producing a similar Poly pamphlet.

   We basically set out to ask the most clueless questions we could
think of, and tried to answer them well while debunking myths &
stereotypes. We were also scrupulously careful not to overgeneralise! 8->

   I'm happy to email it to any interested people. If I get a number of
requests, I'll post it instead. I'd also be happy to hear people's
comments - it's our first pamphlet and we were a little rushed, so I'm
sure there's room for improvement.

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree)
Subject: (re) Introduction
Reply-To: crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:13:09 GMT


--

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even 
his enemy from oppression.                 - Thomas Paine


Hi!

	I don't know if any of y'all remember me.  I used to lurk 
	around here as adc3h@virginia.edu, but many moons ago I had 
	to put on my Usenet blinders in hopes of actually FINISHING
	grad school.

	To make a long, painful story short, let's just say I emerged 
	_fairly_ unscathed with DEGREE IN HAND last June (hoorah!) and 
	have moved to Colorado to partake of the "real world" of software 
	engineering and to have my weekends and evenings free to climb 
	mountains, play on Usenet, and do the Timewarp once again!  :)

	It's nice to jump back in here and see lots of friendly posts 
	and familiar names.  Say, wasn't it a year ago this week that 
	the first posting appeared on soc.bi?   Happy Birthday, everybody!

	and Hello again!


- alyson


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From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:02:09 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Aug21.232506.3526@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu
(Albert Lunde) writes about publishing biographies:
|I think this would be interesting... sort of a personal version of a FAQ 
|list, for those of us who already have sufficently public personas to
|share with the net.  Ftp and gopher are both possible media.
|
|What do others on soc.bi think?

   I dunno.  After all, I'm not extraordinarily subtle, and a bio of "Orc:
queer trainspotter with an extraordinarily high whim factor" probably 
comes out in most of my postings ;-)
                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: n8946410@beaker.cc.wwu.edu (Cameron Parish)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:41:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug26.234147.5260
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Aug26.203510.543@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:
>n8946410@janice.cc.wwu.edu (Cameron Parish) writes:

>> 	I would have dearly loved to have punched out the assholes who were
>> hassling me yesterday.  But please note:  they were not hassling me because
>> I "went out of my way to look good."  I hadn't. They were hassling me 
>> because I'm *female*.

>or, because you *look* female. 

	Oops, yes, you're right.  Sorry.

>Crossers and androgynes get it too, just not
>as bad (usually) because males are more used to dealing with hassles.

	I'm not sure I buy the idea that males get hassled more than females.
Do you mean all males, or just crossers and androgynes?

>try dressing in camoflage gear, and carrying an assult rifle.

	*grin*  I've been known to wear a little camoflauge gear, and I still
look like a Cute Perky Femme:  utterly harmless.  I guess the assault rifle 
is the crucial part of the ensemble, eh?  :)


	-- Cam (posing delightfully with an HK P9S)
	       (Does that make me a Violent Femme?  *duck*)
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: alt.lycra?
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:43:38 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <1992Aug21.160023.1882@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>In article <17972@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>> Has there been anything entertaining on alt.lycra yet? It exists here
>> but claims no messages have been posted to it. I want to know it it's
>> worth pestering our sysadmins (or UKNet?) into doing something.
>> 
> Yup, it definitely exists; going quite nicely, as well. (68 messages last time
>I looked). Then again, at Oxford it seems to be not getting through at all
>well, oddly enough. Pester! Pester! <grin>
>
Hmmm, the finger of suspiscion appears to be pointing at UKNet -- nothings
getting through to my UK newsreading account (that's ... not, too complicated
to explain) while my US one (good ol' nyx.cs.du.edu) is quite happily getting
fed (and posted from....)


--
\S 
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
and elsewhere, for a while.   | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:57:02 GMT

In article <LIZ.92Aug26153605@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> liz@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Liz Highleyman) writes:
>
>Basically, my understanding is that Robin Margolis and others
>broke away from an existing DC bi group because they found that
>group to leftist/liberal, too sexually radical, and too 
>focused on the gay/lesbian community.  They wanted to form
>a group that is more politically middle-of-the-road and
>focused on bi, rather than les/gay/bi issues.  I understand
>that they found the social events of the original group too
>`cruisy' and not very comfortable for people in committed
>closed relationships, as well as getting criticism about 
>their closer-to-mainstream lifestyles.

This is interesting.  Why were they uncomfortable with the 'cruisy'
events?  Was it because they were being pressured to participate?  Or
they didn't like to watch the others go at it?  
>
>For a political group, I personally oppose restricting
>people of any sexual lifestyle, but for a social group it
>makes more sense, since people in couple or triads might
>very well be interested in different activities than 
>swinging singles.
>
>I also think that there is validity to a group choosing
>to focus on bi rather than les/bi/gay issues...some bis are
>just not very gay- or lesbian-identified.
>
>I personally have no interest in a politically moderate
>group, but it seems reasonable that people with different
>views might want to work and play in different groups...
>similar sexuality does not make us homogenous after all.
>What I think is important is that the various groups
>work together when they have common goals rather than
>slagging each other off and arguing about who are ``better''
>bisexuals.
>
>-Liz
>

These are all really good points!  I'm glad to know something of the
history.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Subject: Re: Joke
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:55:08 GMT


In a previous article, johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) says:
>>>
>>>   Now, "package store", that's a new one....
>>
>>It's a (gratuitous) New Englandism.  
>
>Correction.  It's a Massachusettsism.  I grew up in Vermont, and was
>perplexed as hell the first time I went to Boston and heard the term
>"package store."

Where in Vermont did you grow up?  I thought I remembered frequenting 
something that called itself a ``package store'' that was just on the
other side of the Vermont border.  I may be remembering wrong, and it
is a term driven by state liquor laws, so I wouldn't be surprised if
it didn't propagate very far from the border.

ObBiContent: err, um... mumble...

-- PTD --
-- 
Palmer T. Davis      ___
<ptd2@po.cwru.edu>   \X/   cthread.  cthread_fork().  Fork, thread, fork!
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:12:54 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug28.203408.8207@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>
>   So I come home from work early today, because I want to make my
>terminal emulator even sillier, and what do I find in my mailbox?
>Why, it's an INVITATION from the American Nazi^H^H^H^HRepublican
>party; they want me to attend a reception for Maggie Thatcher on
>the 17'th of September, and/or join the Presidential Roundtable
>(for a nominal $5000 yearly fee!)
>
>   What can I say?  Have the Republicans decided that queerfolk are
>*really *stupid and will happily give them all of our money before
>they sent the purity police around to relocate us to the new "family
>values" deathcamps?  Or do they think that nobody but the most knee-
>jerk conservative would subscribe to The Economist?  

Yep, that happened to me when I was getting The Economist in my name.
I subscribed to keep up with the Right, and got The Nation to keep up
with the Left.  The junk mail was very strange that year.

>Or maybe, just
>maybe, they think they might not win the election, even with the new
>Willie Horton and/or Enemy Of Humanity waiting to be butchered for
>one or two percentage points in the polls.
>
>   What I'd like to do is send them a sweet little letter saying that
>I don't give money to Nazis, 

Why don't you?  You can use the postage-paid envelope they sent you.
You might want to include something heavy in it.  Like a brick.

>                 __
>   david parsons \/ "And I'll bet the invitation was paid for with
>		     government funds, too."


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:52:45
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<1992Aug27.020231.2393@midway.uchicago.edu> <iw.715012766@tosser>
	<37455@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu's message of 30 Aug 92 01:46:03 GMT

In article <37455@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <iw.715012766@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>+One of the things I value most about womens space, is that I can get
>+glammed up as much as I want, as sexily as I want, and I know I won`t
>+get harassed.  OK so a few butches may swagger at me ...  but thats the
>+general idea anyway.

>Here is a 'problem' in that a woman who gets 'glammed up' but for
>the benefit of a male audiance is a lacky(lackette) of patriarchy,
>but a lesbian who's audiance is other women, is a revolutionary.

Indeed.  Very annoying.  So, I dress to suit myself and enjoy it if/when
people I like like it, too.

[...]
>Use clothes to highten sexual interest, and low and behold they are
>not 'something one could wear while walking 10 miles', hence
>limiting and 'binding'.

Well, actually, I find that a leotard and a pair of shorts or jeans
(depending on the weather) is pretty good for "heightening sexual
interest" in most of the people I am attracted to.  Comfortable, too.
Walking 10 miles?  Well, I'm not in *that* good shape, being a
programmer who mostly sits, but it would certainly be *possible* in such
an outfit.

Basically, what is (sexually) attractive is very much of a personal
thing, and I think you are falling into the other side of the same trap
that you note, assuming that only that which is portrayed by society/the
media as sexually attractive is going to "heighten sexual interest" (vs.
people assuming that if you dress that way, you are therefore controlled
by society/media/patriarchy/etc.).  In fact, very few of the people I
know require that sort of dress to visually stimulate them, although
most of them *are* stimulated by such things (tight dresses, revealing
clothes, etc.), in addition to the many other things they find
attractive.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 23 Aug 92 10:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Ellen Writes]
>Colin was offering space for soc.bi gifs, he might have space for such
>things.

>By the way, Clive tells me the Edin<mutter> party photos have been scanned.
>[Now they just have to get to Colin...]

Ohh, I don't think that will be too difficult >smile<, I'll just wear my
nicest lycra smile sweetly at colin and say: come to my room and I'll show
you my big hard disk... Seriously though, I was scouring the building for
more high density disks the other day... these files are HUGE, like 3 - 4
Mbytes each! I may have to reduce the resolution of them somewhat as a
600dpi scanner with 17+ million colours is a bit much for even ftp! My copy of-
 UUENCODE wraps around at <filename>99.uue!

<Sigh>

>I don't think I mentioned that UK customs opened the package when I sent 
>the photos to Clive - I'm sure they were most entertained by all of your
>happy...... faces.

Heh heh, the first lot wasn't so bad, when they arrived they prudishly
flopped through the letter box, with an equally prudish "this packet has
been opened by customs" message on the back, the second one, I had to sign
for - which was odd as it was posted in exactly the same way as the first
(which I didn't have to sign for).

It has to be said that the content of the "special film" stuff that Ellen 
took was rather more... graphic...

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| "When I grow up, I want to give up being a   |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| Journalist and learn how to write..."        |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
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From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Alien Attitudes?
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:10:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Steven M. Stadnicki (ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>One of the things that I've been thinking about recently is something that
>bisexuality, or perhaps more accurately polyamory, and furriness have in
>common: the attitudes involved are *so* utterly alien to most people that
>they literally can't conceive how people could hold them; they can't even
>be brought to begin to grasp the concepts involved.  This has been getting
>beaten into my head repeatedly lately with my coworkers (who I'm not out
>to yet, but I've listened a lot to *their* conversations)... what worries
>me more is that things also seem to be working the other way, that I'm so
>entrenched in my current attitudes that I have a hard time really understanding
>*theirs*.  Has anyone else ever really noticed this?

Yes: I find it very difficult to conceive how anyone cannot be attracted
to members of both sexes. When I still identified as gay, I had a
similar attititude in that I could not understand people not having
MOTSS attractions. My mother, for one has no idea how people of the same
sex can want to have sex with each other: the concept is totally alien
to her. This is one of the reasons why I haven't come out to my parents
yet; another is my father's refusal to believe that g/l/b people actually
*exist*. 

>                             Steven Stadnicki

Paul
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