From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AfAms in CS/Eng Grad school?
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:23:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MfMYDU_00iV3A5a6I_
	<1993Jan21.210946.6542@nynexst.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. Doo Song(I like this name) writes:

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> 
>I am a foreign student majoring computer science in PhD program from Korea.
>I have been in US for several years attending 2 universities(USC and UCI) in
>graduate programs. But, I haven't met any AfAm in the class or
study-related situation. That brings my curiosity.
>> 
>>Is there any reason why not many AfAms study CS or Engineering in
grad. >school?
>> 
>>Some people told me that I might find some AfAm grad. students in Sociology
>>or Anthropology Dept.. Is it true? I mean most AfAms who want to pursue
>>grad. degrees prefer social science by large margin to CS/Engineering ?
>>My wife is also in PhD program in Psychology in UCLA and she said her dept.
>>has only couple of AfAms out of almost 200 PhD program students. Thus,
>>I think it is NOT by accident but has some reasons.
>> 
>>Of course, I do not believe that getting PhD in some field is the only way
>>of getting respect and having happy life. Thus, this question is not related
>>to any intelligence issue. But, if most of you AfAms choose not to major
>>CS/Engineering from undergrad. or there are enough undergrads in those fields
>>but not in grad. school, in either way, it's not by accident. As a foreign
>>student, my experience in US is very limited to the campus life so that I
>>just can not figure out why.
> 
>Doo Song
> 

Mr. Song you and your wife hit upon very hidden racism in American
University. I'am glad that I saw your post in s.c.afr.am.. This is also
very customary in all American University that are not "Black"
Universities(Morehouse, Howard, Tuskeegee,Emory ect.,ect..). I was also
shocked by this. The know that there is a conscience effort to keep the
rolls of the Higher education of the Black(sorry, people but I'm for the
old school)American at a minimal. When I ask this question a white
person told me we don't need anymore Black doctors-aren't there enough
white ones. Of course, I don't blame my statements on the basis of this
pig but I know there is.

Let me explain something. As an undergrad. in an American University the
Admission Office to a great part handles the admission of the students.
But At the Grad. level the department is thr sole choser. The people
that chose are mostly always White or an Uncle Tom(this includes
Asians). They do not want Blacks at this level. If they did they would
be here. Most of the grads. in this country are researcher/students.
Most get paid a handsome stipend for their contributions. Many White
Americans find this morally objecting. 

Let me tell you how rotten the people in your department are. They look
like they don't even care if their is a Black American there or not. Do
they? Why don't you ask them and see what they say? Don't to see two
America's? One that is White and one that is everyone else? If you did
not go to Seoul Univerity of Yonsei coupled with a great high school
education you would not be there. So, i a way they are using you. Have
to break it to you this way dude but... In a way they are. Look around
you cuz. Aren't there more than usual alot of Asians around? Far more
than Mexican, Cubans, Chicanos, African, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and
ESPECIALLY Black Americans? And, The White Americans look like there's
nothing wrong. Let me compare with our two cultures. I'm an
International Student from Nippon. In Nihon, If there is a great influx
of Koreans, Chinese or anyone else you would instantly notice a change
in the atmosphere. Same as in Ko-ryo. Few there came all of a sudden 5
or 6 hundred
Japanese or let's say  to Yonsei their would most likely be disruption
in the air. But, these White people, they don't have the slightest blink
that their own
nationality is not included in the "operation of things". Look around you! 

This is why I highly admire and respect American Minority. They have to
succeed at very much opposition. They are a proud people. We have it
easy when you compare the racism that the Black American goes through
day to day. As, those, who know me, may know I am very angry and pissed
off at this point