From: maillet@tls-cs.cert.fr (Luc Maillet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Keywords: guns and hypocrisy
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:54:54 GMT
Organization: CERT, CS Dpt. Toulouse, France

In article <1992Sep10.000935.13559@morrow.stanford.edu>, silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

|> 	LA est toute la difference? Bah! La difference n'existe pas!

  Si. Lq difference se trouve dans le fait que l'affaire Rainbow Warrior etait
une operation des Services Secrets Francais qui, ayant echoue, a oblige le
gouvernement a chercher une issue diplomatique - donc a renier ce genre de
pratiques. Alors que l'arrestation au mexique par les US a ete suivie par une
officialisation de ce genre de pratique.
  Les deux operations sont aussi detestables l'une que l'autre. La ou les US
ont depasse les bornes, c'est dans la reaction du gouvernement a la decouverte
de l'affaire. Cela prouve le peu de cas qu'ils font du droit international. Et
la difference - et mon souverain mepris pour les US - viennent en grande partie
de la.

|> 	Not officially sanctioned state terrorism? Then why did the French
|> government persuade the Kiwis to release these men into French custody, 
|> only to let them go free? There are few nations on earth which admit to
|> officially sanctioning state terrorism cher Benjamin, but many who blythely
|> engage in it, in the name of 'national security' and for the most dubious of
|> reasons. It is singularly inappropriate for net.citizens of a nation so
|> steeped in blood as France to habitually, incessantly push the issue of
|> 'American state terrorism' or to harp on the arrogance with which our
|> government conducts its affairs. These things are indeed deplorable, but
|> modern American misdeeds commonly pale in comparison to the infamous 
|> behavior of western Europeans during the colonial era (which extended well  
|> into the 1960's for France).

  "American misdeeds pale...". I think that both VietNam and more recent Pana-
-ma are perfect examples of American imperialism attempts. And the way south 
american  dictatorships were supported by US funds and foreign policy proves
that the US have nothing to learn in that field from old europe.
 
|> 	If it were only Europe's past that stank I'd have little business
|> citing it in regards to contemporary issues of state sanctioned terrorism.
|> However, the rising tide of neo-fascist, racist politics in western
|> Europe strongly suggests that the modern, benificient, Euro-pure
|> self-image promulgated by your educated elites is poorly grounded in 
|> reality.

  I'd like you to mention new american WASP movements, official censorship,
commonplace segregation.... And, contrarily to what you may think from your
overseas home, europeans DO NOT "promulgate a euro-pure [...] self-image".
But it IS true that we use other countries as examples of what one mustn't do.
And, sadly, US often comes in front.

|> In addition to this overt resurgence in ugly authoritarianism
|> and racism, the bourgeoisie of western Europe have quietly, continuously
|> benefitted from neo-colonial 'wealth creation' throughout the post-war
|> era, in tandem with us in the States. You're a 'soiled dove' my dear.

  Are you able to make your point without insulting someone? Or is it so much
in your blood that you cannot help it?

								Z.