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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:13:33 GMT

mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
: : 
: : 	2) Flashbacks/Free Trips.  My impression is that these usually
: : recapture the feelings, attitude, and experiences of some *previous*
: : trip.  What causes them is scientifically uncertain, but my firm
: : belief is that an acid-head has potentially "learned" (or gained a
: : tendency) to reach the "trippy" state without the drug.  When the head
: : happens to get into a similar state, they then slip into a free trip.
: : This can be inconvenient, but not usually a big problem unless you
: : start acting irrationally (social problems) or flash back to a
: : *bad* trip.  (See above!)
: 
: I seem to recall reading several years ago about what was commonly
: thought to be the cause of 'flashbacks' -- that the LSD doesn't
: get absorbed/used up 100% right away, and it is possible for remnants
: to remain active for some time after taking it.  Hence a flashback
: could occur for some time afterwards.  Any knowledgeable folks out
: there who could comment on this?

Certainly, it is bullshit. I think there is some discussion on this
subject in the FAQ. Simply put, any intense emotional experience can
set a person up for later flashbacks. I think you would admit that
LSD sometimes helps create those experiences. 

Talk to some veterans who were in a war zone. Many never took drugs,
yet many of them suffer from flashbacks. This is a prime example.

Bill
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: NORML
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:30:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

Can anyone e-mail me the address of NORML?
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jones@fred.cis.udel.edu (Mark Jones)
Subject: Re: A Chink in the armor ?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:44:07 GMT

In article <9207240450.AA28426@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> bj496%Clevaland.Freenet.Edu@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>At a Democratic party meeting tonight, they said that they needed one
>"burning issue" with which to arm Clinton to defeat King George.
>I raised the spectre of civil forfeiture as that issue - not the

Good point.  I can only wonder why the Dems have not run with it.
I have a couple guesses.
  1)  With an astronomical lead Clinton has become even more 
      conservative and will not lead, or even get close to the front of
      the curve.
  2)  Clinton Is afraid to be viewed as "soft on crime" <gasp!>
  3)  Clinton may have been rendered ineffective in getting the WOD under
      control after his "didn't inhale" crap, and being a boomer in general.
  4)  Clinton is unaware of the problem
  5)  Clinton  has been taking advice from that leading democrat 
      (and protector of the rights of all), Delaware's own
      Joe "you don't have no stinking rights" Biden.

All joking aside, I'm surprised and disturbed that the Republicrats
aren't a little shocked by such *clearly* un-American tactics.

-Mark (jones@udel)
From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: First-hand account on what smoking Ice is like:  forwarded
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:18:30 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Jul23.093742.2860@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>me:  This sounds so great, that it amazes me that it has not become
>a _big_ deal, as in _the_ drug of choice for everybody in the world,
>or at least everybody who has ever tried it.   $75/g wouldn't be a bad
>price either, but I'm sure it would go up if it becomes popular.  (...got
>damn,  why isn't it already???)
>
>Hard to make?   That could be it.   Can somebody post the Methylamorex 
>(sp?) abstracts and any stuff they have.  I want to find out about 
>this chemical.   What name will it be under in Mercks?

It should be fairly easy to make. At 1986 Rainbow Gathering in
Pennsylvania some people combined 4-methyl aminorex with LSD (stoopid!)
and had bad experiences, which gave the drug a bad reputation.
Popularity increase all over the world is predicted in the future. It was
put in Schedule I on October 15, 1987 after a seizure of a high
production lab in Florida. A fatality involving Euphoria has been
reported (Journal of Forensic Sciences 33:2 March 1988 pp 549-553),
allegedly after daily use for several months in combination with 
phenobarbital. In post-mortem analysis the concentration of U4Euh in
blood was found to be 21.3 mg/L (!). The guy who has been giving away 
Euphoria and info about it, The Friendly Stranger (you know those old 
'Beware!..' marijuana scare posters), seems to know his business pretty 
well (Psychedelic M&E vol 4).

When ingested orally the usual dosage is 15-30 mg as the free base
(18-36 mg as the HCl), onset of effects 1-2 hours, duration 14-16 hours. 
"Qualitatively, the experience is similar to a long-lasting MDMA intoxication
superimposed with methamphetamine, with the added benefits of easy 
verbalization, free association, integration and elaboration of previous
insights.." - The New Age Chemist, PM&E 4. Transient somatic effects: 
increased respiration, tachycardia, tremors, perspiration, increased blood
pressure, intraocular pressure, blurred visionand tightness in the chest.
Increased body and breath odor. 

Oh well.. Here are those references:

J Medicinal Chem 6,266 (1963)
Belgian Patent 628,803 June 16 1963
French Patent M2448
US Patents 3,161,650 Dec 15 1964 3,278,382 Oct 11 1966
Archives Int Pharmacodyn Ther 164(2), 412-18 (1966)
J Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics 140:367-374 1963
Ibid. 141:180-184 1964
J Clinical Pharmacology 7:296-302 1967
Science 218(457) 487-490 1982
Annual Review of Med Chem 51-58 1965, 44-47 1966
52 Federal Registry (FR) 30174
52 FR 38225

The stuff is called 4-methyl aminorex or 4-methyl-5-phenyl-2-amino-oxazoline.
CAS registry numbers: cis (racemic)-[29493-77-4] trans (+)-[27780-30-9].

Maybe this should be put in a FAQ of some sort?
--
Petrus.Pennanen@helsinki.fi
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:31:49 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ...Of the Jungle

>What do people think of the ...Of the Jungle catalog?

Could someone post the address/ phone# where one can send away for this
catalog?  Or is it in one of the FAQ's?  (if so, which one, where is it?)

Thank you a lot...

-me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:27:28 GMT

In <1992Jul22.044603.6799@cshl.org> pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.211036.19517@cco.caltech.edu> slr@cco.caltech.edu (Steve L. Rhoades) writes:
>>He has taken acid about every 2 weeks for the last couple of months.
>>While he has never had a "flashback", he'll sometimes notice something
>>moving out of the corner of his eye.  When he looks toward the "moving"
>>object, everything's normal.
>This is known as the Divine Eye Syndrome

Seriously, I've had symptoms like that all my life, and I haven't
been a tripper for a very significant part of that time.  He could
be sensitized to noticing things like that, and more inclined to
give it some significance, but I think it's a normal phenomenon.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
             "See you guys ar--see you.  Er.  Great.  Fine.  Ciao."
     As the Bently skidded off into the darkness Ligur said, "Wossat mean?"
            "It's Italian," said Hastur.  "I think it means 'food'."
From: rjn@snowbird.LABS.TEK.COM (Jim Nusbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Bob's death
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:42:11 GMT

Stop this stupid "I heard this and I heard that".  It's documented quite
well.

Bob suffered an injury to his big toe while playing soccer.  He tore the
nail off.  It failed to heal.  Bob didn't believe in Babylon medicine.  When
he was finally persuaded to go to a doctor they found that he had cancer
in his toe.  Bob refused amputation, believing that Jah would heal him.  The
cancer metastisized to most of the rest of his body (including his brain).
In the end he tried a number of radical (quack?) treatment, but died
anyway.  It had nothing to do with pot although some speculate that the
mythical immune system suppression properties of pot may have contributed.

Nuff said.  This is the true story.  Look it up.

"Catch a Fire" - Timothy White
Newsweek article on Bob's death - ???, 1981

Plus about a hundred other documentaries and articles.


--
Jim Nusbaum, Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix Laboratories
[ucbvax,decvax,allegra,uw-beaver,hplabs]!tektronix!strl!rjn
rjn@strl.labs.tek.com
(503) 627-4612
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: masimo@netcom.com (Michael Maas)
Subject: Risk of Cigar Smoking?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 05:19:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Are there studies on the risk of Cigar smoking without inhaling
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Cigars, Health

Does anyone know of any studies that define the risk of smoking cigars?

One would expect it to be somewhat lower than cigarettes if one does not
inhale the smoke.

I have also noticed that some questionaires used in health situations
ask specifically if one smokes cigarettes which may or may not imply
that other smoking is somehow safer.


Thanks for any info you may have.

Regards,

Mike Maas
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:55:21 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:
> If you believe they are facts, does that make it so?  No.

Correct.  Which is why you're invited to collect your own data.
And why I've bothered to repeat "either the data reproduce or
they don't."  I don't appeal to belief.  You're welcome to believe
whatever you like.  The data are quite indifferent to what either you
or I believe about them.

> you have asserted that there is addiction to cocaine across all species.

Indeed I have not.  How many times have you attributed a position,
claim, or assertion to me that I never took, stated, or made?
Well, a count makes little difference; it exceeds "too many".
When you can demonstrate you read what I wrote, I'll be happy to
continue.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Xochipilli in _Whole Earth Review_ (was Re: 'Xochipilli' censorship
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:06:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Yeah, don't let the negativity about Xochi Speaks having to do with SIGGRAPH
disuade you from it, it is a masterpiece and the little booklet is fine.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Stomp out intolerance!
From: nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: One pill makes you. . .
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:30:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: The Wall

If I were a drug, I would be smooth and round so as not to bother
the human throat.
And when I landed in the right place, releasing all my alien chemicals
into the bloodstream of life, I would cause the body area to be very 
relaxed so as to be attentive and open, and then I would show the mind,
visually, the better ways to attain peace, enlightenment and happiness
within than by ingesting pills from without.

Peace.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Subject: Definition of an addict.
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:58:26 GMT




An addict is someone who keeps getting into the same kinds
of trouble, over and over again, even though he doesn't
want to....but STILL thinks he's in control!
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:22:48 GMT

> You're still playing loose and fast with terms here.  Chemical
> and/or physiological change of the system from a resting state occurs
> under many circumstances, not just drug use.

Correct.  One reason why this isn't the sole criterion.

> Withdrawal is poorly defined in this discussion, and you've not
> defined this term at all.

It's well understood.  I see no need to tutor anyone in it.

> Tolerance?  Perhaps, but compulsion to use doesn't necessarily
> involve tolerance.

Who said it did?  These are separate criteria.

> Drug-seeking behaviour would only be valid if it were compulsive or
> otherwise irrational.

"Valid"?  A new use of "valid" with which I'm unfamiliar.

Perhaps it would be clearer if I said "splunge" instead of
"addiction".  If in my lexicon "splunge" includes drug seeking
behavior, I've simply agreed not to call anything "splunge" if it
doesn't include drug seeking behavior.

>>> Explain what you mean by "eventually".

>> Not necessarily the first time.  May take several administrations.

> Then the substances you speak of are not the same substances that
> cause addiction by 'mere exposure', no?

No.

Exposure != one administration.

> He asked you a new question, dude.

Incorrect.  He attributed (incorrectly) an existing position to me.

> my point has been that you haven't given your proof that the results
> reproduce.  So why should we give a damn about what you say?

Doesn't matter whether you do or don't.  The facts are utterly
indifferent to whether you believe them.  Did you suppose Nature
needed you to believe in order for phenomenon to continue?

-- Jon
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon)
Subject: Recipe FAQ -- real recipes?
Summary: Food, drink?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: net
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:23:17 GMT

How about a file in the FAQ devoted to *real* recipes -- not
synthesis, but recipes and advice for cooking with various
materials.  Things like the Space Pancakes that just went by,
for example.  Instructions for non-Indians on making magic ghee.
What foods go well with blue shrooms. etc. . . .

	Dave H.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Advertisement in the UK Times..
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:59:00 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art,. Athens

In article <70429@apple.Apple.COM> morley@Apple.COM (John Morley) writes:

>ignorance in the UK.  I'm delighted to see the quote from Jimmy Carter.  After
>12 years of Reagan/Bush/Quayle, its damn refreshing to think back to happier
>days when politics didn't always have to mean maximum hypocrisy.

You seem to have a strange definition of hypocrisy. Bush/Reagan think drugs
are evil and will have you locked up for selling them. Carter says they're
ok but still locks you up. Which is the most hypocritical?




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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,sci.psychology
From: mhergert@esk (Mark Ivan Hergert)
Subject: Re: Reverse aversion response = instant addiction? (was Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:06:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.192412.3344@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>
>However, because of the utter lack of observations of this type of response 
>to positive or 'non-negative' situations, I would be extremely hesitant to 
>apply this to drug use.  I don't know of any reputable studies that have
>ever observed a reverse 'aversion response' to positive stimuli.
>
	Hey man, if you like something you do it again, right?  If you like 
something enough, you may do anything to do it again.  I read that there was
a study done that concluded that after doing something approxamately seven
times it beacame a habit. i.e After doing that particular thing seven times
the mind became totally accustomed to the idea and had no worries about
doing it again.  I don't know, it's something to think about though.  How
many times does it take for you to become totally accustomed to an idea, or
situation?  I don't think anyone is really worried about that though. Hey 
I'm just rambling.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives,talk.politics.drugs
From: eaw@alliant.com (Eric Woudenberg)
Subject: alt.drugs -- the maintenance dose
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:44:11 GMT

My name is Eric, and I've got a compulsive alt.drugs habit.

I finally admitted to myself that I had a problem the day I told my
family I'd be coming home late because I had lots of work to do.  It
was a lie.  In reality I had five days of alt.drugs that I hadn't
"done" yet, and I was looking forward to a quiet hour or two with the
group after being without it for so long.

Today, I'm reformed. I don't let alt.drugs interfere with my life
like before. I don't lie to cover up my compulsive behavior. In short,
I've cut back. I can usually get my alt.drugs fix in under 20 minutes
each day. How do I do it? 

In rn, at the article prompt, I type: /Re:/j

It really works, what I'm left with is my alt.drugs maintenance dose.

Regards,
Eric Woudenberg
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:54:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Jul30.195422.1957
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
: > I know of no documented cases of a person becoming addicted
: > to any drug, even after a number of uses.
: 
: Good, then there's no such thing as addiction.  That'll save
: some time.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. 

First, you pulled that quote out of context, then you read something into
it that isn't there.  The statement does not say that addiction does not
exist - only that no drug causes immediate addiction. That would have been
obvious when taken in context.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 04:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.211036.19517@cco.caltech.edu> slr@cco.caltech.edu (Steve L. Rhoades) writes:
>A FOAF has asked that I pose the following question
>to the net.community:
>
>He has taken acid about every 2 weeks for the last couple of months.
>While he has never had a "flashback", he'll sometimes notice something
>moving out of the corner of his eye.  When he looks toward the "moving"
>object, everything's normal.

This is known as the Divine Eye Syndrome

-- 
-- Pat Monardo		What is the cause, what the reason
-- pjm@cshl.org		for the manifestation of a smile?
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:19:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
: 
: >> How much time have you spent studying addiction
: >> and recovery?  I've been at it for over 6 years.
: 
: >I'm a psychologist and have been interested in the subject, studying it
: >and working as a psychotherapist for a number of years.  Am an associate
: >professor and counselor.
: 
: If the Pete Roses of the world get pushed into Gamblers
: Anonymous, you don't make any money.  You're biased
: against the 12-step programs for this reason.  I'd
: guess you also reject the higher power aspect, since
: many people with advanced degrees are atheists with
: inflated egos.  Likewise, anyone who is cashing in
: on government, whether in the private or public sector,
: will tend to reject any disease-type explanation or
: spiritual solution for our chronic political failures,
: because of the impact on their personal income.

In other words, you are saying "Since you don't agree with me, you
are part of a conspiracy to rip off the addict. You are also wrong
because you do not believe as I do."

Is that correct? Or am I just reading something into your posting
that isn't there?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Office of National Drug Control Policy (very short news blurb)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 05:44:46 GMT


According to a Scripps Howard News Service blurb, 4 out of
10 staff members in Office of National Drug Control Policy
are political appointees; further, according to Washington
insiders this is a high percentage, even for DC patronage.

--
Ron Carter |   Denver | Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
  Director | Colorado | "A ... mind stretched by a new idea can never
rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu | go back to its original dimensions."  -Holmes
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon)
Subject: Nutmeg -- Question posed by Nat.  Highs FAQ
Summary:   So is it an MAO inhibitor or a tyrosine-containing substance?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: net
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:38:10 GMT

Nutmeg appears on the list of "things to avoid mixing with MAO
inhibitors", but its own interaction precautions say only,
"MAO Inhibitor", which seems to indicate that nutmeg itself
is an MAO Inhibitor.  I can't find a reference for Syrian
Rue (definitely an MAOI) to compare.

So, which is it?

	Dave H.
	dmh@world.std.com
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