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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re:  Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:27:16 GMT

nabil@ncrcol.columbiasc.ncr.com (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>I said that
>this is the first time I hear that Jews are trying to help Moslems and 
>I posted that to show my appreciation. 

I wish these acts of appreciation could be appreciated and just
left as a possible beginning to improved understanding between our
peoples.  Apparently there was a misunderstanding based on the
language used.

Of course, this is the net, and things tend to be misunderstood,
and then "discussion" ensues.

>>The Mufti was an example of a Muslim who was glad to see Jews being
>>killed and certainly didn't do anything, even though he was a friend of
>>Hitler's, to save Jews.  On the other hand, Jews, without having
>>friends in high places, work to help the oppressed, even when Jews aren't
>>specifically the targets of that oppression.

>>Get it?

>If this is true, this is one in hundreds of millions. I won't let it 
>bother me.

Dangerous statement.

>What do you mean I am unable to comprehend this analogy? You are trying
>to condemn all Islam for the action of one person. Do you want to 
>tell me that there is not one single Jew not glad to see moslems   
>being killed? 

Well, "I won't let it bother me."

You see.  This is an unfortunate approach.  It bothers me a lot, even if
it's only one among millions.  On the one hand, it could just be some
kook, in which case we must protect ourselves (no matter who the original
target is).  On the other hand, that one among millions could be a Hitler,
and tragically more dangerous.  A leader with this mindset is extraordinarily
dangerous.  And, like it or not, it says something about the people who
chose him/her to lead them.

>You made this thread for two participants. I did not direct this article to
>you. It was a short complement for SCJ readers. You are very welcome
>not to respond.

Again, I thank you for expressing appreciation for the fact that
Jews are expressing outrage and trying to help the victims
in this senseless killing.  It doesn't matter who the victims are.

A couple of weeks ago, the Israeli Knesset was debating what to do for
the Muslims.  I believe the decision was to send a substantial amount of
aid, at a time when the Bush Administration was trying to decide whether
it was good politics.  A significant number in the Knesset were actually
pushing for air strikes.  I could just see the headlines now: "Israel
Occupies Bosnia/Herzogovina"

-Don Gertler
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: No subject 
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:52:44 +0000

Another test.

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From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur and Tu b'Av
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:09:11 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

On: 1 Sep 92 15:42:15 GMT
aplebaum@shum.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) says:

>In article <1992Aug31.135435.24551@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, jgoldber@todah.c
>|>    Of course, that's not a complete picture. Yom Kippur is one of the
>|>    two happiest days of the (Jewish) year. Moreover, it is when maidens
>|>    go out to the vinyards, to dance in borrowed white dresses
>|>    and invite the unmarried men to choose bride.
>
>This is most likely a mistake. We all know the saing that there weren't
>happier days in Israel then YOM KIPUR and 15 of AV etc. But since it's
>very unlikely that fasting girls will go dancing and boys that shuold be
>davening would go there too. BTW I'd say that most wineyards would be out
>of TCHUM SHABAT, so even on a reguler SHABAT it would be imposible.

As these days  are especially hot in  Israel, I am not  too worried by
the possible flames I might generate,  they will be regarded as a cool
breeze...

Another  possible explanation  why Yom  Kippur had  all the  described
activities, could be,  (and this is surely unacceptable  to anyone who
believes that the Oral Law is Sinaic), that the festive atmosphere was
in times before the second Temple  was destroyed.  All the fasting and
grimness as  is customary  now among the  observant, is  a post-Temple
affair,  when  Rabbi  Yohannan  ben  Zakai and  all  those  after  him
"invented" what became  known as the "Oral Law" to  give it authority.
This includes "Tchum  Shabbat" and all other matters  not mentioned in
the  written Torah,  and which  have not  been necessarily  the custom
before 3830 (70 CE) I do not claim  that all of the "Oral Law" is post
3830, but  most is, nor do  I claim that  this is the Orthodox  way of
looking at things.

>/// Hillel P. Applebaum      |>>    ISRAEL - where all

     Michael Shimshoni
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:51:32 GMT

In article <300@chorus.chorus.fr> mir@opera.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski) writes:

>Ridiculous. If all Polish Jews have been killed, in your block
>there would be 3 families out of 11 that lost relatives in
>Auschwitz, and none of them would be Jewish.

Most of Polish Jewry was wiped out during and after World War II.  Of
those remaining in that inhospitable country after the war, a good
number left.  Are you using the word "all" so that it is seen as
obviously incorrect so that you can deny the high percentages as well?
If so, you are using a rhetorical device called a "straw man" and are
doing so amatuerishly.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:29:51 GMT

In article <57490@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.124156.16208@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>>In article <57394@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu
>>(Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>>>In article <1992Aug18.131900.23543@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>>Does anyone else see this as very near the elevation of logic to
>>near-god-like status?  Does it seem close to avodah zara?
>
>
>In the Torah, God states, "Let us reason together."  Logic is nothing
>more than the explicit setting down of precise rules for reasoning.
>	...
>-- 
>Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399

IMHO, Dr. Rubin is correct in his assertion that the Torah does
allow us to use logic. Indeed, the Talmud often asks, "Why does the
Torah need to state 'x' explicitly, couldn't we have derived this
from logic?"

Now the obvious question on the Talmud is that if I were to use logic
to derive 'x', than this would not be a Torah principle - so I must
have an explicit verse in the Torah? But, from the fact the Talmud
asks the question anyway, implies that a principle inferred via logic
is as if it were stated explicitly in the Torah.

BUT BUT BUT - this assumes the principles of logic are indeed those
of the Torah. Throughout history, mankind has used warped logic to
derive all sorts of things. Furthermore, somethings in the Torah
are just not 'logic' - they are G-d's commandments given to us
without any rhyme or reason. Obviously, in such cases, human logic
is apt to break down.

Also, we must be careful never to assume our human logic is infallible,
and must always be on the lookout for flaws in it. I would agree
with the original statement, that to assume G-d=like status to our
own logic, is indeed Avodah Zara.

Hayim Hendeles

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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Jewish Popes?
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:41:20 GMT
Keywords: Jewish pope

In article <1992Sep2.141453.24842@sarah.albany.edu>
mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:

>In article <Btv83B.FpF@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
>(A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug31.133513.23883@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
>>jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>>>  Gut Yontiff, Pontiff.

>>Vus ist neies, Pius?

>Pius in peyiss?

And what about that Kippah you always see him wearing.....
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Alter Rebbe?
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:25:24 GMT

In article <Bi76PB3w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, murray.bbs@cybernet writes:

>I am not positive as to why he is called the Alter Rebbe, but the word 
>Alter means Elder or Old (my yiddish isn't the greatest either).  Since 
>he is the first Lubavitcher Rebbe, I guess why he earned that name. 
>I never thought to ask before, and I never saw a reason given.  [...]

>Rabbi DovBer He is known as the Mitteler Rebbe, because he is the 
>Rebbe between Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi and the Tzemach Tzedek, 
>(the 3rd Rebbe) thus he was "in the middle".

Do we know that the first and second Rebbes were _not_ the same person?
Maybe the second was really the first and was using an Alter ego....
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Violent antisemitism?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:16:55 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.123907.25044@funet.fi> defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi
(Irek Defee) writes:

> ...by knowing that Jews moving to Poland were accepted there as r e f u g
> e e s from oppression. and as such they were given safe heaven, an
> admirable gesture of humanly behavior. Nobody was then expelling them,
> nobody was forcing them to change their skin, they were living through
> centuries developing their own culture, language, and religion, a
> separate, isolated and mostly highly orthodox, society. Was there any
> other such place?


In article <1992Sep03.173910.694762@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim
Hendeles) writes:

>...My Father was born and raised in Poland, and left in November, 1939
> after the start of World War 2 --- as an adult. HE was there the
> entire time between WW 1 and WW 2. From his descriptions, and
> the many stories he has told me, Poland was violently anti-Semitic.


"So, Mrs. Lincoln.  Apart from that, how was the show?"


- R

(U.S. President Abe Lincoln was fatally shot in 1865 during a play
 at Ford's Theatre in Washington.)

--
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  "/  //  / /"         Bitnet:   RXL1@APLVM
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:44:21 GMT

In article <87231@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
(Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.120314.9728@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>Using typical revisionist tactics, you took this out of context.  All I
>>said was that had there been no Poles helping the Nazis far fewer Polish
>>Jews would have been murdered.  Compare the percentage Jewish population
>>in Poland and in Denmark and "far" becomes very conservative.

>My dear Samuel, why do you have to label me as a "revisionist"?, and why
>do you think I use any "tactics"?

Because you took one sentence out of context, ignored the point, and
brought up unrelated issues, instead.

>                                  I was simply asking about sources, literature
>ect.. for your statement. Now I don't understand this comparison between
>Poland and Denmark. Whould you elaborate on that?

Compare the percentage of Denmark's Jews saved to that of Poland.  In
Denmark nearly 100% were saved by sneaking them out of Denmark in
fishing boats, hiding those they couldn't get out, and even discharging
then reregistering Jewish hospital patients as nonJews.  The Polish
record, even taking into account the Poles that did help the Jews was
nowhere near that.

>BTW, you did not answer my question about the only survived commander
>of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

I don't have his name handy.  You can look it up as easily as I can.  Will
you?  I have my doubts as it would mean reading the history of the
uprising and seeing just how antisemitic the Polish underground was.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion of a Child
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:36:52 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)

In article <199208282210.AA27786@yfn.ysu.edu>, aa324@yfn (Marlene Miller) writes:
>The following are some things he will probably encounter if he has
>chosen a Conservative rabbi.  [...]

>Once completed, your son will be regarded as Jewish just as any other
>born Jew.

Surely the son should be told the above is false regarding C and R
conversions.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Logic (was more can of worms
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:26:46 +0300


In: <1992Aug21.124156.16208@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) wonders:

>In article <57394@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu
>(Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug18.131900.23543@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>>>Does this mean there is a tradition of logic by now?  If so, will it be
>>>overthrown? Can it?
>
>>Not if anything precise is to be obtained.  The part of logic needed is
>>rather small; the principles can be stated in one page.
>
>>This is the power of the grammatical structure called mathematics.  So
>>much comes out of so little, and it seems to fit the real world quite
>>well--almost too well, in fact.  Some philosophers have declared that
>>God must be a mathematician because of this.
>
>Does anyone else see this as very near the elevation of logic to
>near-god-like status?  Does it seem close to avodah zara?

I think that Sam  has put his finger on why so  much of the "dialogue"
between some  spokesmen of  the Orthodox and  others seems  so futile.
Once one  even considers logic to  be "close to avodah  zara", what is
there left to discuss?  The O saying "it is true  because I BELIEVE it
to be so",  and/or "because it says  so in one of  the ancient books".
There is no flaw in such  statements, they are just useless for anyone
who is not satisfied by them and who is not ready to share that belief
because his teacher, father or a Rabbi TOLD him to believe it.

Michael Shimshoni
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From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: Blowing The Shofar At Home During Elul
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:29:33 +0000


> +From         : jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
> 
> In article <memo.607844@cix.compulink.co.uk> stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> >In-Reply-To: <1992Sep2.175722.14826@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.ed
u (Joseph Wetstein
> )
> >
> >> +From         : jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
> >> 
> >> There is nothing stopping you from doing it all year round, or eating
> >> matzah and waving a lulav right after :)
> >
> >There most certainly is, if the reason for the extra blowing ot
> >waving is for the Mitzvah and not merely for practise. It
> >transgresses the Torah injunction of "Bal Toseif", not adding to the
> >Torah.
> >
> 
> Since when is blowing Shofar during Elul a mitzvah? One does not make
> a bracha, there is no *required* shiur. What mitzvah is involved with
> taking a palm branch in elul and waving it? Just performing the act is not
> Bal Toseif. 

Precisely my point. It is forbidden if you do it LeShem Mitzvah [as
the Mitzvah], but not otherwise.



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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Why was Tanya printed around the world
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:03:58 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10846]: bourbon

In article <9208311412.AA01083@ptms_dev.sbi.com> <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)> writes:
>david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>	The worldwide printing of Tanya, though not really needing
>	justification (any more than the printing and translation of any
>	important work, from Torah through Shulchan Aruch to, l'havidil,
>	Shakespeare, etc.) is in fulfillment of the answer Moshiach gave to
>	the Baal Shem Tov, when asked, "When will the Master come?" The reply:
>	"When your Wellsprings spread forth."
>
>Did the Baal Shem Tov actually have a dialogue with the Mashiach?
>
Yes.
(A spiritual one, obviously.)

>-Don Gertler


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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re:  (quote) Duke pleads for money from followers (quote)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:33:30 GMT

pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>So [Duke] has written some of his followers a four-page letter asking for 
>money.

>"This letter is not about a campaign," Duke wrote.  "It concerns my ability to
>remain as an effective public spokesman for the principles we believe in.  It
>may even affect whether I live or die."

Who does this guy think he is?  Oral Roberts?

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:41:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.211047.5519@cc.gatech.edu> amir@leopard.gatech.edu (amir) writes:
>Almost everyone here loves Logic. Almost everyone is willing to listen
>to the Pentateuch. Even our most ardent logicians seem fascinated by
>the account of creation and its parallels in the theory of evolution
>(lower life forms created first, followed by more and more complex).
>By this logic, the entity created last is most superior. 
>What (or rather who) was created last?

Evolution does not state that the last life forms are "superior", or even
necessarily most complex.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:33:36 GMT

In article <17ecucINNqj@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>Brown's Celery Tonic.
>

You mean the stuff that tastes like postage stamp flavored seltzer?

[By no means does this imply that I wish a thread on the Kashrut of
postage stamp glue!]

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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: I have yet to meet a Jewish murderer.
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:02:34 GMT

bramson@psy.psych.nova.edu (Jennifer Bramson) writes:
>	I'm Jewish and  consider myself a decent person, but I don't know that
>I'd make an assumption about our whole religion/culture.  I work with battered
>women and men who batter.  I see as many Jews as any other group in my practice.
>And many of them are court-ordered.  A colleague of mine is even working with
>a Hasidic family.  

No doubt battering is a tragic problem among Jews as it is among other
groups.  But is your statement really accurate?  Do you actually see
equal numbers of Jews and, let's say, WASPs?  If that's the case, then
I would say Jews are grotesquely over-represented in the batterers.  I
hadn't realized the problem was quite so rampant.

I hope you mean that Jews are no more than proportionally represented,
though I look forward to the time when all groups will be "under-represented."

-Don Gertler
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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: thanks (Re: Jewish friends - help!)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:50:10 GMT

lms@torreypinesca.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152) writes:
>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>>Even at Passover, just look for the cans which are stamped "kosher for
>>Passover".  Unfortunately, the stamp is in Hebrew, so you may have a
>>problem, but there is normally no Hebrew anything embossed in the lids
>>of Coke cans, so it should still be OK.

>If it helps, the inscription should be (reading from right to left):

>  Kaf, Shin, Resh, <space>, Lamed, Peh, Samech, Chet

If you don't know the Hebrew alphabet, then turn the writing
upside-down [How will you know what's rightside-up?].  It should
look something like this:  CML SGOU

-Don Gertler
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From: dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:12:42 GMT

In article <2477@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
> dk = dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor)
> ds = strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
> 
> ds: Herman Rubin has, of course, every right to his free speech and to
> ds: continue to say what he likes, but here is one fellow-Ph.D. who
> ds: sees no need to pay any further attention to what he says on this issue.
> 
> dk: Well, here is one Master of Science who WILL pay further attention to all
> dk: viewpoints on this issue.  
> 
> Is an interpretation legitimate (TM) if the interpreter has less
> education than this?

Absolutely...I've encountered many people who may lack diplomas but are
very intelligent and knowledgable.  Their input is valuable, and very often
contains common sense which seems to elude the most erudite of scholars.

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