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From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Impressions/wrinkles/sailing skill
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:53:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.165438.9784@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deirdre byrne) writes:
|> 
|> I confess to being curious, though: how do my stats stack up against the
|> experiences of other rec.boaters in different parts of the world?
|> Post it here!
|> 

Since moving to Vancouver three years ago, I've only crewed in about 10 races.
Of those (on only 2 boats), all but one had at least one woman on board.  In
our club races, most boats seem to have one or two women aboard, but there
are no boats dominated by women.

Most of the boats cruising out of our club have women aboard, although few of
them are the skipper.  My wife enjoys sailing, but doesn't want to be "in charge".

With reference to the "macho"/competitive attitudes of racing men, one of the
women who raced with us struck me as the most "competitive" (I know better than
you) person I've raced with.  There are a few guys around here with that
attitude as well, but most crew (male and female) seem to be well-adjusted.  I
think the inter-club races bring out a bit more hard-core types with bigger
egos.

Racing on Lake Ontario, our club races had women on maybe 30% of the boats, and
one all-woman crew.  I didn't meet as many serious female sailors there as on
the west coast.

dK
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From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:13:37 GMT

I've done quite a bit of sailing on large (70') ketches with running
backstays. These were sail training yachts so safety was a consideration, but
we nearly always used the backstays. Almost the only time we wouldn't use them
would be off the winfe wind in light(ish) airs. We would never go to windward
without them. If you got 'em, use 'em (though I agree, they can be a pain!).

Roger Hare.
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Charter in France
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:29:15 GMT

Does anyone have the address of a reputable yacht charter company in France
(Brittany, or Normandy area possibly).

Thanks.

Roger Hare.
From: waterhou@gdc.com (Richard Waterhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Long Island Sound role call
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:24:18 GMT


I am trying to get an idea as to how many people
in this group Navigate on Long Island Sound.

I see a lot of postings from the S.F. Bay and other
areas, but few from LIS.

This is for personal interest only. If I get any
responses I will compile it in a list and forward
it to all responders.

I am a boating die-hard and go out on the Sound
almost every weekend(weather permitting).

I regretfully just winterized and called it quits
for the season.

Happy Boating to those lucky enough to use their boats
all year around.

Thanks

Rich Waterhouse
Email: waterhou@gdc.com

Base Port:    Stratford CT.
Vessel Type:  25' Renken Classic
Vessel Power: Motor
Vessel Name:  WaterHouse
VHF Hailing Name: Waterhouse

-- 

=====================================

Richard Waterhouse / waterhouse@gdc.com
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Two copper pyramids glued base to base with sap)
Subject: Re: Holder 20 Experience?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.182557.67487@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON) writes...
>There is a Holder 20 sailboat available locally that I am considering
>purchasing for use on a lake.  From its lines and sail area it looks fast, as

There is one that races in my sailing club. It's quite fast, and is raced
against much bigger boats. It rates 180 PHRF in the chesapeake area, if that
gives you any idea. It seems to move really well in flat water, of course
bigger heavier boats may be able to blast through the waves better. 


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: test
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:47:24 GMT


Thisi is a test.
--
"There is the smell of an election in the air. Some of you believe it is
the smell of tar and asphalt... I assure you, however, that it is indeed
the smell of an election." -   John Savage, Leader of the N.S. Liberals.
                           skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca St. John's, NF Canada
From: jeffs@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey L Staley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: re: Hull material, fiberglass, composits, and steel
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:35:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7557
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:

> Also, why is the steel hull boat builder more popular in Europe,
> but not in U.S.? Is it cheaper to build fiberglass boat than
> steel hull? What about longivity?

Unlike fiberglass, steel hulls are not amenable to mass construction. With
fiberglass, once you build a mold, producing hulls, decks, and liners are
fairly fast and cheap.  Thus if a builder is going to build a series 
of boats (i.e. more than one), fiberglass construction will significantly 
reduce the overall price. 

On the other hand, if you consider the cost of producing a single copy of a
design (typically a custom boat) the cost difference isn't nearly as great.
Even in this case, producing a steel hull may still be slightly more expensive 
than a fiberglass one. But as someone just pointed out in another thread the
hull is only a small part of the entire cost.  It's the outfitting of a boat
that costs money.  And you can often outfit a steel boat for less than a
fiberglass one.  The bottom line is that for a custom boat, fiberglass or
steel costs about the same.

Longevity? There is little reason for a steel boat not to last several
lifetimes.  Steel's biggest advantage is its strength. 

Why are they more popular in Europe? Probably has something to do with
history, availability of craftsmen, and, most likely, style.

Jeff
Mirage - 41' custom steel cutter

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From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:07:29 GMT
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats


I have seen an interesting drink served on a yacht in Turkey.  It was made of
half the local aniseed spirit (Rakis I think) and half rehydration fluid (the
stuff you drink so you don't dry out when you have had diarrhoea for a week)

I don't know what it was called or what it tasted like (You can get banana
flavoured rehydration fluid (a few of us got a taste for it on that trip)) but
the idea was that you couldn't get a hangover because you wouldn't dry out :-) 

Brenda

From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:38:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Trimaran for disabled sailors.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats


The National sailing centre for Wales - Plas Menai has a trimaran rigged for
disabled people.  They also have other facilities to help disabled people get
to sea.  I don't know anything about this but I'm sure they'd be happy to talk
to you.

Their address is:

Plas Menai
The National Watersports Centre
Llanfairisgaer
Caenarfon
Gwynedd
LL55 1UE

Phone: 0248 670964

Cheers

Brenda

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: colbert@s6550b.nrl.navy.mil (Mike Colbert)
Subject: Re: J/24 Worlds?
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:33:47 GMT

Ken Read from Newport won his fourth title.  He did not even have
to race the final race.  Going into today, Nov. 6, Brady and Larson,
both from Annapolis were racing for second.  My boat, More Bad News
was deep!!! Oh well.
Mike Colbert
More Bad News J/24 US 593.

P.S.  I chartered my boat to the Japanese team.  They renamed it for
the regatta as TMY.
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Two copper pyramids glued base to base with sap)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:10:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov10.014200.22963@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes...
>I am afraid that it is impossible to me to bring my point so that you
>would want to understand that the foil is gadget of marginal use but
>anyway more than marginal cost. And the people who have lost their
>races because of malfunction of the luff foils, have done it, believe
>you or not.

It will be difficult indeed to convince many people that it is only of marginal
use. I can see arguing that the aerodynamic advantage is pretty small, but
being able to change sails without going bareheaded is absolutely required on
the race course. If everyone else has it and you don't, you're hosed!
Especially on a boat that can't go to weather at all without a headsail up,
like an S2. And the few times I have seen it screw up have been because the
sail was not fed properly. I have seen many, many more times when a smooth
sail change has resulted in almost no loss and a recovery from a bad initial
choice, or a pickup of several boats that did not change or changed too slow.

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Unstayed Rigs
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:43:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183715.10657@mprgate.mpr.ca> kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell) writes:
>In article <16816@umd5.umd.edu>, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams) writes:
>
>As an example, I used to race on an O'Day Tempest (23'
>keel boat).  In our fleet, the regular winning boat was sailed by two
>men, both over 70 years of age (most boats were sailed with 3 crew, generally
>young and agile except for the skippers).  Their sails were as old as the
>boat (20 years), and they never adjusted the outhaul on their main.

I used to race in a fleet that followed a sunfish fleet. There was one guy, 
Danny, who used to win every Sunfish race. Everyone was convinced that 
he just had a fast boat. Sure enough, one day he came down to race and found
that his rudder was stolen (probably unrelated to racing). So...he borrowed
a friend's boat. (He would have borrowed just the rudder, but they were
incompatible.) And in the first race, the unthinkable happened: Danny came in
3rd!
   Well, the whole fleet pulled up to the beach, waiting for the "big boat"
fleet to finish, and to generally chat about the race and razz Danny. The
minute Danny gets there, he starts dropping the sail, unstepping the rig,
etc., and everyone thinks he's pissed off and quitting the race. Nope...he
pulls out a pocketknife, unscrews the drain holes, and flops the boat over,
and proceeds to drain the hull, which was about 1/3 full. *Then* he went back
out and took first place in the second race...

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: A social problem
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:04:51 GMT

Kaarina Haavik's note about women in sailing got me thinking about an
interesting problem that my wife and I have.

When we go ashore from Sarah in our dinghy, we either have to put the Seagull
engine aboard and make it work (noisy, heavy, etc.), or we have to row, which
is what we do most of the time. 

Sometimes I row, sometimes Cynthia does. 

When she rows, we almost always get comments like "How do you get *your* wife
to do that? I wish I could get *mine* to!" and "Look at that! Living like a
king!" or "What's your secret, buddy?", or "Hey, how come *you're* not rowing?"

We've worked on some answers for these folks, but none seem really
satisfactory. One is "Captain does whatever she wants to do." Another is
"She's better at it than I am. I do the cooking." And one we've never
used is "We're on a mission to combat cultural stereotypes." 

Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
in her 30's rowing a boat?

-John

From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:10:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Testing...sorry, *last* time for test
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, root@logiconultra.com writes:

    Thanks for your patience.  I'm only sending this stuff to California

    Jim Stine

But it sneaked all the way over here to Colorado:-)
B.S!
From: mike@ravel.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: MerCruiser Outdrive Universal Joint Lubrication
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:03:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxo25E.oI
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

When I did this recently, I had to service the water pump at the
same time.  I discovered that if you remove the lower drive first,
taking off the drive shaft housing is really easy, and you
definately don't need a hoist.  I'd guess the upper housing
weighs about 50 pounds.

I was all set to reinstall it when a couple of people in the marina
asked why?  Sometimes they are stolen, and sometimes water does
get in (although if wrapped properly, this won't happen) and
crack the housing.  So, I just stored it down stairs...

Also, I was told the water pump impeller will last longer if it doesn't
sit over the winter.  While I wouldn't go through the trouble of
taking a good one out for the winter, there isn't much point
in putting a new one on in the fall.

About gaskets: Merc has a nice package that gives you all new
seals and gaskets for the drive shaft housing (you need at
least three)

One thing I never knew:  marine grease is different than normal
auto grease.  Apparently, auto grease has metal compounds that
will rust in a marine environment. 

Mike 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gybeho@engin.umich.edu (John Senger)
Subject: boat drinks
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:48:23 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Help!  We're having a party and need to serve drinks with nautical/boat
related names.  Please email any/all suggestions.
Thanks.


-- 
John Senger                     

"If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane" - JB
Sail hard, sail fast, sail naked!!!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:57:09 GMT

One little comment about foils.  It surprised me to find out this year that
there are different sized luff tapes used with different foils.  We were having
trouble with our #2 this spring.  It would jam in the foil in very light airs.
It seems that the tape would get folded up inside the groove, because the tape
"boltrope" was too small.  The skipper took the sail back to the sailmaker and
had the proper luff tape installed and it worked fine ever since.

dK
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MPR Teltech Ltd.                           mprgate.mpr.ca!kell@uunet.uu.net
8999 Nelson Way
Burnaby, BC, CANADA
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From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Re: Hall Probes (Re: Compass on a chip)
Summary: Magnetic strength or direction
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.150319.23135@news.clarkson.edu>, billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett) writes:
> From article <1992Nov4.220153.29746@cs.brown.edu>, by jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes):
> > I posted too soon, claiming that there existed chips with fluxgate compasses
> > 
> > So there you have it---perhaps there *is* no such thing. On the other hand,
> 
> I was talking to someone in our Physics Dept. who's working with "Hall
> Effect" probes.  These are small sensors on a chip that produce a
> voltage signal in response magnetic fields.  One Hall Probe does not a
> fluxgate make; they are not sensitive enough to measure the earth's
> field directly.  But when arranged in some certain configuration, it
> is possible.  This arrangement, to my understanding, is the actual
> "flux gate."  
> 
Hmm, I recall fluxgate configuration is used to measure
the strength of the magnetic field relative to the background
ambient field, not the "direction" of the field.
Could you be more specific about this probe?
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Help!  Diastole diesel disaster
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:37:40 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102


 
If it were my engine - with 4000 hours on it - I would put clean water (no
antifreesze) in the block, warm the engine completely, flush the oil/water
out, put in some slick-50/oil, run it briefly (under 10 seconds to preserve
the water pump), and replace the head gasket when I have the time.
 
Potential problem is the loss of bearings - but this is very, very
unlikely - water just doesn't hurt that much until it has been there
a while without oil.
 
Once you get the head off (not a big deal, actually), look at the cylinder
walls.  If they are damaged (maybe unrleated to this incident), consider
a major rebuild.  If not (most likely), just put in the new head gasket
and consider yourself lucky.
 
Don't run the engine with no water - it will kill the water pump and warp
the block.
 
Drain the water after you finish - to prevent more damage - and winterize
it before draining to prevent a block crack.
 
I don't know about antifreeze doing more bearing damage - but that sounds
like an urban (or marine) legend.  It surely doesn't hurt the water pump
bearings.
 
Good luck - for what it is worth, I wouldn't have checked the oil either
for a 10 minute trip.
 
/Stu
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jdh@bryan.jsc.nasa.gov (david hinrichsen 283-4128)
Subject: Re: Unstayed Rigs
Organization: MDSSC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183715.10657@mprgate.mpr.ca> Dave Kell writes:

> The one thing I personally find hard to believe is that the condition of
> the sails is that important.  I think knowing how to trim them is much
> more important.

It is correct to say that knowing how to trim your sails is a more 
significant factor in speed around the race course than the quality
of the sails that you are trimming.  Sailing smart is an even more
significant factor.  In most local fleet racing, sailing smart and
trimming well is all that is required to keep yourself consistantly
at the top of the fleet.  However, in more competitive racing, you
will find that all of your competition is sailing smart and trimming
well also  :-( .  So you have to go after the next most significant factor,
sails.

How did we get here from unstayed rigs?

Dave.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 18:05:18 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

I'd have to agree. Having a properly rigged twin slot headfoil is important
for a lot of the bigger keelboats. A properly done tack change is much more
efficient than doing a hanked on bareheaded tack-change. (Where you hank on the
new jib below the old one, pull the old one down as you go through the tack,
with the bow-man frantically pulling of piston hanks as fast as he can,
swapping 
the halyard and then hoisting the new jib) For some boats, tho, it's not such
a big deal. J/24s for example, don't bother. They simply go with with either
a blade or a genoa and don't bother with head-foils. 

Now, mind you, I've seen a number of fairly ugly headfoil problems in the
past few seasons, but on the whole, they do the job just fine.

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Looking for name to go with sailboat...
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:05:12 GMT

Saw a really neat boat which would fit your bill very nicely being hauled
out over the weekend.  A Cape Dory Typhoon.  19', small cabin with
porta-pottie nice sized cockpit, modified full keel, attached rudder,
beautiful lines.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dick Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Need tips on winterizing an I/O
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:12:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA

The main thing to watch out for is trapped water which can freeze and damage
things.  The engine and exhaust manifolds are water cooled and can crack
if water freezes in them.  Look for drain plugs on the bottom of the 
mainfolds and near the bottom of the engine block and make sure that all
the water is drained out.  The other area damaged might be the lower unit of
the I/O.  The water will drain out of the cooling passages by itself, but if
the seal on the prop shaft has leaked, you may have water in the gear case
which can freeze and burst the case.

Check your owner's manual for the locations of the drain plugs.  By the way,
now is a good time to perform the annual maintainence of the I/O which consists
of removing the outdrive portion from the boat and greasing the U-joints,
and the drive shaft splines.  While the outdrive is off, you should also
replace the water pump impeller and drain and refill the lower unit.  If the
lower unit oil is milky, there is a good chance that you have a leaky prop
shaft seal which should be replaced.  Remove the prop and apply new grease to
the shaft splines before replacing.  There also should be some grease fittings
where the steering yoke is mounted to the boat.  

This seems like a lot of work, but it will hopefully prevent some more 
expensive disaster down the line. If you have a warm day, you will be ready to
go, and the only thing you will have to do when you pull your boat of the 
water is to drain all the water passages.
From: lauglin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Radio Active Waters ?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:56:00 -0800

KK/The 4,800 tonne Ocean Freighter AKATSUKI MARI set sail today from
  /Cherbourg on 15,000 mile voyage to Japan.
KK/Her cargo ? 1.7 tonnes of weapons grade PLUTONIUM in 133 casks
  /"carefully" stowed in its holds.
KK/THERE ARE FIFTY MORE SUCH TRIPS PLANNED OVER THE DECADE !!!

        Konrad - what do the Japanese plan to do with this stuff?
Any idea?

        Laughlin
        S2S Toronto

 * OLX 2.2 * Sail to the sound of silence.