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From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: What do you think?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:06:52 GMT
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Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1992Aug28.010147.10735@hemlock.cray.com> jill@cray.com (Jill McAllister) writes:

>Dinah's so responsive, she will
>sit whenever you say "sit!"  And I mean 100% of the time, too!  Pretty
>good, eh?

Yes, it is!  My Duchess, despite having no particular reaction to
her name as opposed to any other random noise I might make, is
really good about "No".  If she's messing with something I don't
want her messing with, she'll back away from it immediately if I
say "No".  And the amazing part is that after a couple of those
discouragements, she won't mess with it whether I'm around or not.
I only had to catch her using my record collection as a scratching
post twice for that to stop forever :-)

Rob T
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mkfeil@bcrki9.bnr.ca (Max Feil)
Subject: Persian Kitten has trouble breathing
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:57:36 GMT

I'm sorry to bug the net again, but I was just wondering of any of you have
any experience with Persians who have trouble breathing through their noses.
Our new kitten "Oreo" has the classic Persian "step" (i.e. small, pushed in
nose). I hear it is common for Persians to sound congested, however with Oreo
he often (like right now in the morning) simply can't breath sufficiently
through his nose at all, so he must use his mouth. Except for getting a bit
panicky at times he seems to get by OK, but I was wondering if there was
anything we could do for him do make him breathe easier.

We do wipe his eyes occasionally but he does not have a big problem with
running eyes. Only slight buildup around his tear ducts. I'm not sure if they
are working (partially?) or if he is cleaning his eyes himself, and if this
is related to our problem or what.

Anyways, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Max
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From: maverick@topgun.b29.ingr.com (Maverick)
Subject: Cat show people; was Re: What do you think?
Reply-To: maverick@topgun.b29.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.165859.3836@u.washington.edu>, moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert) writes:
|> >clhoerth@david.wheaton.edu (Cathe L Hoerth) writes:
|> 
|> >> Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to my question - what are some of
|> >> your silliest pet names for your pet?
|> 
|> I try to avoid giving silly name for my pet but if you want some REALLY 
|> REALLY REALLY stupid names for cats just go to any cay show. I went to one
|> a couple weeks ago and I was almost ashamed to call myself a cat-lover in
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> association with these people. They're all pretty snobby too. I guess I'm
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> a cat lover while they're "cat fanciers".

Boy, is that the truth.
I went to a show a few weeks ago here is Huntsville,
and I was amazed at how those people behaved with their cats.
The worst part was when I saw a lady sharing her sandwich with the cat
by allowing it to take a bite, then she takes a bite.
Like gross me out!! Gag me with a spoon!!!

Not all of them were that bad, but most of them seemed pretty snooty,
especially if I showed any shock at the price they were asking for 
one of their snooty kittens.  ($400!?!  Really?!?)

I'm a cat-lover, but....

Are most cat-show people like that?
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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kittens!
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:35:19 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep03.224753.697383@locus.com>, krissie@locus.com (Krissie Griffiths) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.172838.6427@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>Charlotte the Rotund is now Charlotte the Slender, new mother of 6...
>>everyone seems to be doing fine.
> 
> please, tell us all about them.  i am so excited.  oh kittens!  how wonderful.

Uh, I can't tell you too much, because, in true cat-form, she had them
at the most inopportune time.   I had to go to Minnesota last weekend, and
she was *so* big, and I thought it was probably her first litter, so I
took her along (I was going to be staying with my favorite former cat-sitter).

Friday.  Huge cat.  Saturday.  Even Bigger.  Sunday. BIGGER STILL.  
I was going to leave about 9 am Mon, and at 8:30 her water broke.  5 hour
drive back home.  So I stayed.  Missed a faculty meeting (boo hoo!).
5 dark kittens by about noon, but I could still feel a kitten or placenta.
Nothing doing by 2, and she seemed pretty exhausted, so I called a local
vet and he said, yes, bring her over.  I delivered #6 (I had skinnier
fingers than the vet), but I was sure glad of the coaching.  Never birthed
cat babies before, Miss Scarlett!

Anyhow, I had to teach at 10AM Tuesday, and I wasn't comfortable with
dragging her back that night, so Mark offered his bedroom as accomodations
for the new family...  Max, Mark's 14 lb (ex)tom, took one look at the
kittens and decided someone was going to ask him to change diapers or
something, and retreated under the couch.  He also let me know what
he thought of me dragging in all those interlopers by peeing in my
suitcase (just got socks and a swimsuit)...

Well, Charlotte is a solid grey shorthair, and I'll bet Daddy was a 
long haired black cat-- 4 of the 6 are black or nearly black with some
tabby stripes, and seem to be medium-long haired.  One has a nice white
bra and bikini marking.  The other two are black in front, and grizzly-
grey-black mix (not tabby) in back.  

Mark says they're eating like little pigs (I've forgotten how much noise
kittens can make!), and Charlotte decided to transfer the kittens from the
clothesbasket to a box of files, which she had to open.  Two got lost
down the side of the box, and of course someone pooped on one of the 
folders.  "Two days old, and they're already causing trouble!" sez Mark.

Charlotte, all of about 6 lbs now, heard Mark offer Max a hardboiled
egg last night and was out in the kitchen in a flash, and TOOK IT AWAY
FROM HIM!  Max was *very peeved*, so Mark gave Max the egg he had fixed
for Charlotte, and she did it again!  Guess I'll have to send Max some
Pounce and catnip and try to get back in his good graces.

I'll get to see them in two weeks, so Mark gets them at the drowned rat
stage, and I get 'em as they are going into the cute stage.  I'm sure
I'll hear about THAT!

Kay
From: cb771@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (S. Macfarland)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: bathtubs
Date: 4 Sep 1992 06:25:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cb771@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (S. Macfarland)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Lately my 4.5 month old long hair tuxedo has developed some
kind of bathtub fetish. Any time I want to take a shower or
bath, I have to first remove an assortment of milk bottle
caps, spongy balls, socks, etc from the tub, and often the
kitten himself. Anyone else experienced this? He's the first
kitten I've had with this behavior!
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Declawing question
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:41:20 GMT
Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Universite de Montreal

ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba) writes:

>   Following along on this thread...I just brought our two cats to the vet
>today to get them declawed (furniture destruction finally outweighed my
>resistance to doing it).  My vet stated that she uses a technique involving
>a small incision and carves out the nail, claiming that it is far superior
>to the traditional (and repulsive to me) technique of chopping the toe at
>the joint.

>   Anyone else hear of this technique???

I don't really know, because when I had Finster declawed, the vet didn't
really tell me how he was going to do it, but it looks like just the claw 
was being removed (I guess, something like what you described).  But,
apparently, some of his claws started to grow back.  This was discovered
when Finster developed an abcess on one of his front "fingers" and there
was a slight infection to one of his "thumbs".  The vet said that there
were different methods of declawing, but I didn't think to ask him to 
elaborate on the different procedures. :(  So now Finster has these really
tiny claw-like things on some of his fingers.  They're really short and
the vet says that when they do grow back they tend to be malformed.  They 
dont cause any damage and he hasnt had any more infections.  All this came
about approximately 4 months after he was declawed.

Incidentally, when we got Kinski we decided not to get her declawed.  We
weren't sure how Finster and Kinski would get along but so far no blood
has been shed. :)  They will tussle about with each other occasionally 
but Finster knows when to say when :D


- Eva

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From: jlecher@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Was (Please Help: I think my cat is ill)
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:22:15 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <59973@mimsy.umd.edu>, dawn@umiacs.umd.edu (Dawn Vance) writes:
 
> 
> What do I do to hold her and at the same time try to place the syringe in 
> her mouth without touching her gums? I don't have anyone to help me this
> afternoon and this stuff has got to get into her system. The vet tech was
> able to do it yesterday but had my help.
> 
This is where a good old bath towel will help. Just pick her up and wrap
her *tightly* in a bath towel, with only her head free. Talk softly to her,
reassure her that you don't want to hurt her, but it'll help you give
her medication without getting scratched. 
After you're done *torturing* her (or so she thinks), pet her and fuss over
her a lot, maybe give her a treat. She'll forgive you.
No, really!

When I was still living at home, our old cat Tribble started to have teeth
trouble, and didn't like to eat cold cat food. My father would get the food
out of the fridge, fill the dish, and microwave it to warm it up a little.
That cat just loved him to death.

Jane
    
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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Cat show people; was Re: What do you think?
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:33:41 GMT

In <1992Aug27.165113.13263@infonode.ingr.com> maverick@topgun.b29.ingr.com (Maverick) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.165859.3836@u.washington.edu>, moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert) writes:
>|> >clhoerth@david.wheaton.edu (Cathe L Hoerth) writes:
>|> 
>|> >> Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to my question - what are some of
>|> >> your silliest pet names for your pet?
>|> 
>|> I try to avoid giving silly name for my pet but if you want some REALLY 
>|> REALLY REALLY stupid names for cats just go to any cay show. I went to one
>|> a couple weeks ago and I was almost ashamed to call myself a cat-lover in
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> association with these people. They're all pretty snobby too. I guess I'm
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> a cat lover while they're "cat fanciers".

>Boy, is that the truth.
>I went to a show a few weeks ago here is Huntsville,
>and I was amazed at how those people behaved with their cats.
>The worst part was when I saw a lady sharing her sandwich with the cat
>by allowing it to take a bite, then she takes a bite.
>Like gross me out!! Gag me with a spoon!!!
 
Actually that's not unusual at all...dog owners do that, horse people do that.
It's called "feeling one with your pet".  I used to play tug of war with a
piece of beef jerky with one of my cats.  Of course I eventually let HER have
it since she slobbered all over it. :> 

To each his own.  I share with my cats. I don't expect everyone to feel the
same way. "Who cares what others think?" --Richard Feyman, physicist.

>Not all of them were that bad, but most of them seemed pretty snooty,
>especially if I showed any shock at the price they were asking for 
>one of their snooty kittens.  ($400!?!  Really?!?)
 
Considering vet bills, stud fees, shipping and registering costs as well
as cost incurred showing the parents, that's not unreasonable.  It's a
bit much for a cat that is to be altered as a pet (anything over 150$ is
just too much!), but if you want papers so you can show or breed, it's
a perfectly legitimate price. 

I saw a Persian kitten go for $1500 and it was barely old enough to be in
the show! (D*mn fine pedigree though - worth every penny!  It became Cat of
the Year!)

>I'm a cat-lover, but....

>Are most cat-show people like that?

Yes, they are...that's why I'm out of there... :<

Crystal
 :>

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From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: cat and stove
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:14:40 GMT

ssieling@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sarah A Sieling) writes:


>One on my cats, Lola - about 5 years old, has suddenly started getting up on 
>the stove when no one is around and urinating on the burner.  This is a 
>electric stove so it is easy for her to sit on the cold burner.  Any one have 
>any ideas about what is going on?  Nothing smells worse than hot cat pee.  
>Everytime we use the stove we have to check the burner drip pans to make sure 
>they are dry.  This is not a joke, it is really happening and we are just about
>at the end of our patience.

It always alarms me to see the phrase "at the end of our patience" when
a pet is involved.  Yikes.

How about the covers you can buy to cover burners?  Some people do this
anyway -- just as a decorating option.  If they move, they might scare
him off -- or if he figures out HOW to move them for his own purposes (!)
maybe you could weight them down with something?  Or put double sided
sticky tape all around the stove (granted, a nuisance for the human
family members too...).  The other idea of things that fall off and make
a loud noise is good too.  Or what about aluminum foil to cover the
burners?  Most cats don't seem to like dealing with it -- unless it's
in a ball they can chase!!

Good luck!

Anne

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: Playing with kitties face: was "naming behaviors"
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:21:08 GMT

In article <1343@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM  
(Elizabeth Molinaro) writes:
> 
>         He he.  I just read about "carpet duck".  Excellent!
> 
>         OK, have any of you out of there played with your kitty's
>         face?
> 
>         We take the face in our hands, and then push the ears
>         flat against the head: kind of striaght down.  This is
>         "Yoda"
> 
>         Then, you take the ears and pinch them (gently, of course,
>         really just pushing) UP and TOGETHER.  This is "Bunny face"
> 
>         And, then we have the "Rat": take face in hands and pull
>         all of the skin and ears back.  U-ugly!
> 
>         "Lion" is the opposite.  Pull skin and ears forward to bunch
>         up around chin!
> 
>         Sounds cruel, but we're really being very gentle and the
>         cats think we've just forgotten how to pet them right!
>         We laugh and laugh...my husband couldn't believe it when
>         I first showed him all of the animals (and Yoda, of course)
>         inside our kittens!)
> 
>         Elizabeth
> 

What GREAT laugh! I am going to print this and let my husband try these.  
It is just something HE would get a real big kick out of.

My cat (Maine Coon) has a "beard" so I love to sleek it all back and see  
what a different kitty she would be without ALL that fur. Her body looks  
awfully funny with all the fur pulled back, AND you should see her WET!!

lyndap
From: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Goodbye Thomasina-the-cute
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:22:04 GMT
Reply-To: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I tried twice to finish reading your post.  It took some doing but I made
it all the way thru.  It's hard to read with tears running down your face.
Have a big hug from all of us (Kepurr/Muffin/Tigger/Teal/Yogi)

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From: kiser@maxim.com (Marion Kiser)
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: MAXIM Technologies Inc., Vienna VA
Distribution: usa 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:38:08 GMT

>I forgot one!  My cat Fermi will follow me (or anyone else
>she loves), pass them, then _flop_ down right in front to 
>be petted.  She'll get up and do it again, and again, and
>again...
>I call this the "Fermi flop".  I also sometimes call the
>Ferm "Floppy Fermi".  

My cat does this as well, usually when I get home from work
and she's demanding attention. We call it the "PET ME, SLAVE"
position. It generally includes a look expecting total and
immediate deference.....which she occasionally gets.

Marion
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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Flushable litter isn't
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:38:02 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

jojo@sandman.asd.sgi.com (Jonathan Wesener) writes:

> I've been using flushable cat litter for almost 2 years and have
> not had one single problem with plugged plumbing.  I have had problems
> with one particular brand which didn't break up nicely when it was
> flushed, it just sort of lumped up in the bowl and sat there.  I
> solved this slight inconvenience by avoiding that particular brand.
>
> I'm really quite pleased with the flushable cat litters and hope
> I never have to go back to the old style of litter hell.
>

i'll second that, although i've just been flushing regular litter.  it's been
over a year now, and only clogged once, when my housemate didn't hold the flush
lever down long enough.  i like this method of disposal MUCH better than the
old way!

                                      -ailsa

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From: axvlj@acad2.alaska.edu (Valerie Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Fake peeing
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:54:56 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Anchorage

In article <1274@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:
> You know how a male cat looks when it sprays?  How it backs up to something,
> raises its tail and then the tail quivers as it sprays?
> 
Both males & females do just that when they spray.  Smidget (spayed) 
goes through the motions.  The only time I've been able to confirm that
she actually sprayed was the second time she was in heat.  She was 
spayed about a month later - and she hasn't gotten anything since then. =-)

> Well, my neutered male cat does that but nothing comes out!  He does
> it quite often.  Understand, I'm glad nothing comes out but I'm
> wondering why he performs this pantomime.

Marking behavior.  Especially if there are other cats around.
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: How do I keep neighbors cat from killing birds?
Summary: PLEASE HELP!
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:51:14 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.193302.13956@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney) writes:

>I asked them to bell the cat--they refused.
>I offered to pay for the bell--they refused.

>So far, we've tried rubbing the fence with mothballs,
>which worked for about fifteen minutes, putting wire along the fence so 
>he can't jump through (he climbs over and hides in the yardnow), and a few
>other futile things.

>Needless to say, I will not consider anything that is likely to hurt the cat,
>but by now t birds are so used to the feeder that we worry about depriving
>them.  

>Any ideas, please?

>Ann

Well, you might consider *threatening* to call the city pound about it.  
That doesn't mean you actually have to do it, just show how serious you are 
about the issue.  Or you could get a big dog :-)
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From: ktruett@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Door into Summer
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:42:13 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Virginia


"The Door into Summer"  by Robert Heinlein.

Yes, it is science fiction, and very good (although it is not a book about
cats, the main character just has a cat companion to whom he is very 
attached, and thus the cat plays a role in the story).

	KIM
Organization: H&SS Academic Advisory Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 09:43:54 -0400 
From: "Carol A. Buckner" <cb30+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why Do Cats Sit on Paper?

On 02-Sep-92 in Why Do Cats Sit on Paper?    
user Karen Schneider@panix.co writes:
>This has probably been addressed before, but why is it that
>cats will zero in on the teensiest piece of paper and plop themselves
>down on top of it?  Not that I'm complaining--it's just that after
>twelves years with His Royal Highness I'd like an answer, and he's
>not forthcoming...

I have no idea why they prefer paper...Brandy likes not sit and sleep on
it--she plays around it.  I think she likes the noise it makes when she
"buries" something under it, then tries to fish it out.
 
Carol Buckner
Carnegie Mellon University 
            
Trivia is so unimportant, but if we had none what would we talk about?
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