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From: engelson-sean@CS.YALE.EDU (Sean Philip Engelson)
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:28:52 GMT


In article <gate.5BuyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
|> 
|> From _The Daily Northwestern_
|> (Northwestern University's newspaper),
|> Thursday, April 4, 1991:

That is, a *paid advertisement*, printed in the _Northwestern_ to affirm free
speech, and which was refuted by editorials in that paper.

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Remember folks, this Committee, as well as the IHR, is run by a single lonely
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Subject: Re: EURO DISNEY: Cultural Imperialism?
Originator: albion@bcrks63
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:06:35 GMT


In article <317@slc1.UUCP>, ta@slc1.UUCP (Tony Alicea) writes:
> I AM SO HAPPY THAT FRANCE & EUROPE ARE GOING TO ENJOY OUR GREAT
> CULTURE BECAUSE, AS ANYONE KNOWS, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, RIGHT? WE
> HAVE THE WHOLE OF 200 YRS.+ AND THEY WHAT!? THOUSANDS?...
> 
>                CULTURAL IMPERIALISM
> 

I would have thought that it is more of a cross-cultural ghetto. If it
is situated like Disneyland at Annaheim it should be possible for the
locals to ignore it except for the benefits of the cash that it brings in.

The greater danger is the number of American films in the cinemas and
anything that insinuates itself into the fabric of French life.

I am still trying to work out the true meaning of the Snoopy exhibition.

                          
                                Alan

--
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Silicon Design      P.O. Box 3511, Station C          Fax: (613) 763-3970
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        Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.
                         - William Butler Yeats
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:49:54 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

>>
>>	   It is not a pleasant situation.  However transfer is much better
>>   than everyone LITERALLY killing each other.  Do not give me any of
>>   this nonsense about peace.  Anyone who takes a reasoned, rational
>>   approach to this situation will see that peace is impossible without
>>   divine intervention, and eventually there will be a ful scale civil
>>   war.


And how do you intend of transfer them Mr? And where to?                         

Nabil
From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Carbon dioxyde : Is USA a democracy ?
Keywords: Which are the hypocrites ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:02:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr7.142725.19006@uni2b.unige.ch>, borbor@divsun.unige.ch (BORIS Borcic) writes...
>Now I had the impression that US citizens were among 
>the most vigorous militants under the "save the earth"
>banner. Is this impression mistaken ? Would it be
>legitimate for me to view "the Americans" as the 
>enemies of Earth's future, on average ?

Not from what I've seen, people in my dorm won't even recycle aluminium cans
because it involves a walk 25 yards down the hallway. 
They also have a bonfire here every year at which they torch several
thousand logs worth of trees - if you oppose it you are automatically deemed
to be some kind of dangerous radical or whining liberal.

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:57:34 GMT
	<1992Apr10.082142.7808@muddcs.claremont.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> <dfs.702929532@ro>
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <dfs.702929532@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>   In <JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
>   jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>   >Israel did _not_ acquire its land in the same way that that America
>   >acquired its land.
>   Wrong.
>  ...
>   Make no mistake, the U.S. gained its land by a war of conquest prosecuted
>   by Europeans against North American Indians.  And the Europeans started the
>   war.

And the U.S. is to blame for European colonialism?  I think you have
the cart before the horse there.

>   >And in my admittedly insufficient reading, Jerusalem was free for
>   >worship to all faiths under British rule.

>   As it is today.  As it was NOT between 1948 and 1967.

The claim I was responding to was that Jerusalem has only been free
for religious worship under Israeli administration.  That claim was false.

>   >In fact, one of the early
>   >Arab-Jew riots in the Palestinian Mandate started because the Jews,
>   >who had been allowed to worship at the Wailing Wall (then owned by the
>   >Arabs) wanted to set up a partition there.
>
>   I didn't know that the Arabs "owned" the Western (preferred term)
>   Wall.  But anyway...

Well, you learned something.  I try to learn things every day.  The
Wailing Wall name is much more poetic, so it is the preferred term.
Western Wall is ambiguous, as it refers also to German defences in
WWII.  If you prefer the Arabic term, it is al-Buraq al-Sharif.

>   This "partition" was to have been a partition to separate men from
>   women, and was certainly not a building.  (Witness the partition there
>   today - basically a small fence.)  This partition was used as an
>   excuse by Arab leaders to incite violence against Jews.  I suggest you
>   read the book "Israel: Roots and Routes" published by Steimatzky
>   publishing house for some more history of that event.

Perhaps you should also mention the fact that the British authorities
nixed the partition idea.  On August 15, 1929, Zionists marched, raised
their flag, and sang the Hatikvah, in violation of their demonstration
permit.  They shouted "the Wall is ours" (or the equivalent in other
languages).  On August 23, 1929, the Arabs, incensed by the Jews'
threats against their property, began to loot the Jewish quarter, and
attacked Jews who got in the way.  The Jews responded with hand
grenades, killing Arabs.

The Jewish demonstrations which brought on the violence were the
brainchild of Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had done much the same thing in
1920 and had served in jail for those crimes.

--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Arthur Ashe and USA Today:  What happened to simple decency?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr9.010107.9746@alw.nih.gov>, vos@helix.nih.gov (Peter Vos) 
writes...
[article condemning USA Todays invasion of privacy of Arthur Ashe by announcing
he had AIDS, so original article]

While I support your point about privacy 100%, has it not come to a sad state
of affairs when one is "laid low" by the revelation that you have
caught a terminal disease through blood transfusion. Why should someone
have to be ashamed? Is the knowledge you mat die soon not enough?
I could never understand just how or why people are so horrible to AIDS
victims, especially those who have caught it as a result of medical 
negligence/ignorance. How can anyone treat the dying like this? Especially
those so called Christians who see this as some kind of Devine punishment -
it seems like a strange way to punish people, giving them a terminal
disease because they had a blood transfusion for treatment of haemophilia
or during major surgery..... 



Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr10.082142.7808@muddcs.claremont.edu>
	<JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr10.214732.9204@techbook.com>
	<JIME.92Apr10233057@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Apr13.185652.17362@techbook.com>
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:52:39

In article <1992Apr13.185652.17362@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>   Well, I can certainly blame the US for all the land-grabs taken after
>   1776, can't I? Which includes everything outside the 13 colonies. Hmmm,
>   that's quite a bit, don't you think?

The imperial land-grabs were well over by 1776.  England, France,
Spain, Portugal, and to a lesser extent the Netherlands had all
divided up the New World centuries before.  National boundaries
thereafter were decided by international wars between the resulting
New World states, and by land purchases.

>   I don't have any argument with the latter paragraph, but it has nothing
>   to do with what I orginally corrected you on.  It's possible to
>   criticize the formation and structure of Israel without distorting the
>   facts to make the US look like some shining light.
>
>   You still haven't mentioned the Indians.

Please remember that the new and improved US now has a thousand points
of light.  Much better than the single shining light of yesteryear. :-)

>   >Notice please that the Philippines were given independence in 1946.
>   >Now please explain what the Black Panthers have to do with territorial
>   >imperialism.
>
>   There's good reason to believe they were finally -- finally -- given
>   their independence to prevent large scale Filipino immigration to this
>   country.  And, anyway, so what!?  Just because 46 years later we got
>   around to it, we weren't imperialistic?

There is also good reason that Phillipine independence was always in
the works.  The US involved Filipinos in their government pretty much
from the start.  They got commonwealth status in 1935, and were then
self-governing.  The Japanese invasion sort of slowed things down.

A parallel case was Puerto Rico, also taken from the Spanish at the
same time.  They are also a commonwealth, and don't want independence.

>   Considering the way the US government invaded Indian land (you still
>   haven't mentioned the Indians, and you keep slipping away from that one)
>   annd the way they invaded black neighborhoods and dealt with Black Power
>   advocates, it has _a lot_ to do with imperialism.
>
>   I repeat: do not attack Israeli domestic policy by comparing it
>   unfavorably to US policy.  They BOTH SUCK!

Hmmm, putting down Black Power militarists constitutes imperialism?
Not quite.  That interpretation would require one to consider Watts,
Harlem, etc as colonies of Washington.  If that were really the case,
then Washington would be better off divesting, for these colonies are
hardly money making opportunities.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: Arafat's Plane Missing in Libyan Desert
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 03:05:54 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr8.005509.7156@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.001202.6862@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>Fresh from CNN - the plane carrying PLO leader Yaser Arafat is missing
>>in the Libyan desert. It is not known if it crashed or not, but there
>>was no radio contact with it for 8 hours.
>>
>>-Danny Keren.
>>
>>
>Let me guess.  Israel did it right???

Probably not.  Arafat, through his political blunders, was Israel's best excuse
not to deal with the Palestinians (specifically the PLO).

My opinion:
If Arafat is really dead, I can see this going any number of ways...some not 
very good for Israel, some very good for Israel (IMHO) but not very good for
Likud.  For the Palestinians, I'm guessing that it could go either way, either
they get better, effective leadership or Hamas grows in influence to fill
the void.

Opinions?

>
>							-Manu
>-- 
>Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            
>Do unto others before they do unto you.
>"The future of the Arabs of Palestine was sacrificed to Egyptian politics"
>						-Sir John Bagot Glubb

-anwar
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Voice: +1 412 268 3043                   Carnegie-Mellon University
Fax:   +1 412 681 5739                   Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890
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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:24:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr11.172418.16050
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences

In article <JIME.92Apr10233057@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.214732.9204@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>>   Whoa!  You can't be serious with this exculpation of the US territorial
>>   acquisitions.  You haven't mentioned the indigenous people -- you
>>   remember -- the Indians?  There isn't a single inch of American
>>   territory that wasn't stolen -- by force or deceit -- from the previous
>>   inhabitants.
>Please remember that my comments were in reply to a claim that the US
>was formed in much the same way as Israel, a claim which you do not
>discuss at all.  Your comments are thus pretty much out of scope.
>
>Your view ignores the fact that the stealing was done by the European
>colonial powers, not the US.  The stealing was done well before 1776
>(much of it centuries before...).  How can you blame the US government
>for that?
>

You must be joking. True for the Eastern half of the counrty, but how
do you think the West was won? Actually, I would say that the Europeans
could only be blamed for taking the 13 colonies. In fact, as I recall,
on of the big greivences against the british was that they said the
colonists couldn't settle any further West. (True, the French were in there,
but they were into trapping and such, not huge settlements). 

>>   Not to mention your distortions of the Revolutionary War,
>>   which certainly had "terroristic" elements.
>Name some please.
>

What is the point anyway? Was there ever a war which did not have terroristic
elements? 

>>   You also managed to miss
>>   mention our "peaceful" acquisition of California, New Mexico, Arizon and
>>   Florida.
>CA and most of NM and AZ were taken by the US by force of military
>arms from Mexico in 1846-48.  The US pretty much conquored Mexico and
>kept the pieces it wanted.  Southern NM and AZ were bought
>peacefully from Mexico in 1854.  Most of FL was bought from the
>Spanish in 1821, after we took it anyway in 1818.
>
Just because Mexico claimed the land is not quite the same a settling it all
and kicking out the Native Americas. Or I should say wiping out. If Mexico
can be blamed for stealing this land from the N.A., then it was the Americans
who, after stealing it from the Mexicans, stole it again from the N.A.

		Ed Hartnett
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: jime@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: King David Hotel bombing
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr14.175801.18171@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
	<167CBA3F2.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
	<1992Apr17.054426.6015@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:48:08

In article <1992Apr17.054426.6015@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>	   You seem to have missed the point, irregardless of what you
>   believe about the Irgun (actually, anyone who tries to compare the
>   legitmate Irgun with the terrorist PLO as you have in your quandry is
>   either ignorant or lying), this one action (the bombing of the King
>   David hotel) cannot in any way be considered a "terrorist" attack by
>   any reasonable definition.

I think that there are many reasonable people who would beg to differ
with you.  The King David Hotel bombing was clearly a terrorist action
by a terrorist organization.

Why exactly do you claim that the Irgun was legitimate (implying
non-terrorist), while the PLO is terrorist (implying illegitimate)?
A simple denial of the Irgun's essentially terrorist nature is
insufficient.

Both the Irgun and the PLO pursue(d) random attacks against innocent
civilians; both have(had) international arms smuggling operations;
both are(were) financially supported by external interests; both
target(ed) government, police, and infrastructure installations; both
have(had) essentially secret membership.  Both try(tried) to wrest
political control over their perceived homeland from an occupying
force, using sporadic violence in an attempt to force political
issues.  Sounds to me like both are(were) terrorist organizations.

--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.abortion,dc.general
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:47:42 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Last evening on Television I watched a news program that was investigating
how crowd size was determined for events such as these.  The old method
that was used was refered to as "WAG"  (Wild Ass Guess)  I'm not kidding
that is what the reported said.  And I belive he has talking to the
DC police or Park Police.  However, now they have a grid of the DC area.
They take areial photos of marches and then place the grid overtop of
the photos and estimate that way.  I can't which station it was.  Did
anyone else see this?


Jennifer Brown
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From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Summary: I did not mean it.
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:48:53 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <1992Apr13.054206.5584@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# In article <JIME.92Apr13001541@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

# # In article <1992Apr12.070834.2636@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# # >   In article <JIME.92Apr12001214@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
 
# # >   # In article <1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# # >   #  The present policy for controlling the intifada by force,
# # >   # might, shootings, and beatings has failed.  The Israeli government
# # >   # must realize this by now, but they are unwilling to change their
# # >   # tactics.
 
# # >	   I agree it has failed.  The Israeli government has been to soft,
# # >   weak, and whimpy, which has only encouraged more "palestinian?"
# # >   violence.

# # An interesting opinion.  In 1989 Israeli IDF Chief of Staff Shomron
# # said "People ask why we don't end the intifada.  Anyone who wants to
# # end the intifada must remember that there are only three ways to
# # achieve this:  transfer of the Arab population of the areas,
# # starvation, or physical elimination - that is genocide."
 
# 	So you agree with everything Shomron says?

# # Which of
# # these or any other less wimpy policies would you support?

# 	The policy I support is transfer.  Without it there will be a
# massive civil war that will make the intifada look like a sunday
# school picnic (I know that transfer will lead to some violence, but
# this violence will also look like a sunday school picnic when compared
# with what will happen without transfer).  However, this is a long term
# solution.  In the short term I support whatever policy will end the
# intifada with the least amount of violence.  This may or may not
# include one of Shomron's solutions.

	I forgot to proof read my response.  I am obviously not in favor
of starvation or genocide.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  WHAT A STUPID QUESTION.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:11:00 GMT

In article <RJC.92Apr14201117@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk>, rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes...
>The ownership of things like newspapers and TV stations is almost
>completely uninteresting. What is important is whether you can freely
>publish what you want to say using your own resources. If you can then


I agree with the second sentence, but not with the first, because
people tend to accept what's already in place. Especially in the U.S.,
where we assume that because there's no govt. regulation of the press,
that it must, "by definition" be free of any other influence or control.
It's of the greatest interest, for example, that the NY Times, the
most influential news medium in the U.S., has been controlled by a
single family since 1896.