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From: rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:04:54 GMT

>I've noticed, and if they can take the time to pull their vehicle over a tiny
>bit, I can make the effort to ease off the throttle enough to acknowledge their
>action. Not very Zen, of course, but I doubt the founders of Zen rode 
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>motorcycles. Call it a hunch.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Mike
>-- 
>Disclaimer - Oh come on! You didn't think I was serious, did you?

I guess you never read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"? :-)

Rich

| 92 XLH 883 | email: rich@godzilla.quotron.com |
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.185943.27163@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>In article <27M902dv2fGz01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>>Howdy all:
>>
>>This is aimed at riders who live in CA (and other states where lane 
>>splitting (or "lane sharing") is legal. After moving and having to 
>
>Is it really legal, or just tolerated?  My understanding is that it is NOT
>legal, but the authorities tolerate it.  Somebody have any actual code 
>references that they can site.

It's legal on state and federal highways; anywhere else, it's up to the
local makers of law and order (SF allows it, SJ doesn't).

>>babes - when the ol' lady isn't with me :-). Hot damn, maybe it helps our 
>>image. Why not try it when YOU are spliting lanes. If cagers are always 
>>waved to when they make room for us, maybe more of them will start 
>>doing it instead of pulling CLOSER because they are pissed that someone 
>>else is getting down the road faster than they are.

>But just imagine how our image could be helped if you didn't lane split at all.

Sure. Imagine how happy everyone will be to sit behind you AND everyone else
while stuck in traffic. 

Mike
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Helmet Recomendations Wanted
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<75591@apple.apple.COM>
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:54:00

In article <75591@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
   I currently wear an (XL) Arai F-1.  Like some of the others, I was 
   envisioning a nice shiny new helmet for Christmas.  However, based on some 
   recent trials at Road Rider, I may have to wear the F-1 forever.

   Of all the helmets there, the only one I could get into was an Arai (Signet,
   I think).  None of the other Arai's, or any of the Shoei's, came close to
   fitting.

   So, are there any other fatheads out there?  If so, what helmet do you use,
   and where did you find it?

I use a Shoei TF-70 XL.  Fits much better than the RF-200 on my size-8
head and honkin' big face.  It's got a funny aerodynamic flow, though
-- it's moderately loud unless you point your head straight ahead or
slightly up, then it gets very quiet.  It's not Snell approved, but
then I don't worry too much about fireproofing my head!  Fiberglas/Zytel
shell: pretty light.

Of course, it's also about 1/2 the cost of an RF-200 :-)

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: @*^#*$%## California -- what color reflectors CAN one use?
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:18:08 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1gg9i4INNe84@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU 
(Michael Robinson) writes:

>Also, one way you may be able to skirt the letter of the law is reflectorizing
>your helmet.  I put a yield sign (inverted triangle made out of white and red
>reflective tape) on the back of one of my helmets, and never got any notice
>from law enforcement.

You're right.  I got mine from BAIME (MSF group in San Francisco).  It
definitely looks like a yield sign, and designs which "resemble offocial
traffic control devices" are definitely illegal.  Something odd here.

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: newtong@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Greg Newton)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:42:19 GMT
Subject: Re: more cal bmw ravings (was Re: affordable bmw mechanic
Organization: 2 wheels good
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles


well the bill was $260.00 at sign of the twins. $120.00 savings. 
i am happy with the work and the bike runs better. by the way
rick said he used to work at cal bmw for five years (if i remember
correctly). carl do you or other folks out there have examples
of work this guy has done that is "not careful"?

greg
From: marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Battery Charger $5, NAPA Auto Parts
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:56:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSH Software, Hayward, CA

In article <1992Dec18.115055.21172@netcom.com> dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:
 > The 1-amp max for motorcylce-rated batteries is well-known.  Funny thing
 > is, though, that it is not widely known or acknowledged in Germany.  Or,
 > at least this was so 10 years ago.

It's still not known for German Bikes... BMW recommends 3 AMPS.  The techy
types tell me it's because the BMW batteries have "thicker plates".  Might
even be true.  The BMW charger -- I didn't feel like spending the $80 or so
that it costs so I'm not speaking from first hand experience -- is said to
charge at 3A with the appropriate detection circuitry to shut down at the
right time.

The Riders Manual for my R80RT says:
	20Ah battery - Max 2 Amp
	30Ah battery - Max 3 Amp

// marc
-- 
marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us -- pacbell!dumbcat!marc
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Mike Felder's phone?
Keywords: insurance
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:08:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


Could somebody please email me Mike Felder's phone number?  He's the
insurance broker who advertises a lot in City Bike.

While I'm here, I might as well ask you the question I want to ask
Mike: how would you insure an old customized bike?  We have a custom
BMW and we're looking for a good insurance policy.  Since the bike is
old, it has little value; but since it's customized, a lot has gone
into it and it would cost a lot to fix.  Our current policy gives a
high value to the bike's accessories.  ie, the bike is not worth much,
but the accessories are.  But the policy doesn't spell out in detail
what the accessories are.  In reality, the fenders, gas tank,
headlight shell, paint, etc are all accessories, because that's where
the value is.  I'm afraid that if we were to make a claim, the
insurance wouldn't come through for us, so we're looking for something
better.

Anybody have an old custom bike insured?

Thanks,
--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: @*^#*$%## California -- what color reflectors CAN one use?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:12:27 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) says:
> 
> I can't see how a reflector could reflect anything
> other than its own color.  

Check out the nifty reflective taping sold for BMW bags and helmets.
It's made locally by Motospezial, sold at Cal BMW and other fine stores.

The black is especially impressive. It's normal looking black stickers;
but when light shines on it, it reflects WHITE. During the daytime, the
black stickers on the black BMW bags is virtually invisible; but at night,
it reflects VERY brightly. Cool stuff. (The actual material is made by
3M, and has been available for some years now. It's much cooler than
the stuff used by Conspicuity, since you can cut it to shape).

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Tire repair
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:08:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

<Don flame protective clothing>

<Remove all flammable objects from immediate vicinity>

OK, so here's the question:

   Should you, or should you not, have tires (specifically BattlAxs)
   plugged when they are attacked by vicious killer nails?

I picked up a rear tire flat, in the center of the tread, from a 3/4"
section of a (narrow) nail.  The tire still has many theoretical miles
left on it, and I'd rather not scrap it.

Is it worth the risk to have it plugged?  Or should I just go ahead and
scrap the tire?

thanks;
-rob.
-- 
Rob Griffiths    "And the future will be better tomorrow" - Dan Quayle
robg@apple.com   PP-ASEL-IA, looking for clouds .... B52s/REM/Erasure!

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: headset radio and riding
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:48:22


In article <foo> c60c-3gi@web-3d.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:
   i am thinking of buying one of those headset radio which works through 
   your ear only.  i thought this would be convinient since this would 
   let me talk with passengers without the expensive radio installation 
   on my bike and bothersome helmet manupulations.  this would also give  me
   some portability like talking with other riders (with limited range) and
   also other times such as skiing.  

   now i have two questions:

   1. how confortable are the earphones inside the helmet.  i tried walkman 
   earphones inside my helmet and it seems confortable enough but the radio 
   mike/speaker earphone looks a little bigger.  

   2. does anyone know of any other company besides radio shack that makes 
   these types of radio?  the 49 mhz 100mWatt radio shack radio is 89 dollars
   and doesn't seem like very good quality.

These are getting to be fairly FAQs -- I think the previous discussion might
still be on your news spool :-)

*I* went with the custom Radio Shlock set in my helmet; others use
Maxon sets, which let you choose between five channels in that band and
fit in your helmet, but which cost twice as much.

The earplug ones with the bone-induction mikes really suck.

You can buy CB kits to fit a mike/earphone into your helmet, and get
much longer range (20 miles instead of 1/4 mile), better sound
quality, and higher reliability.  Unfortunately, if you just buy
off-the-shelf, you'll spend $350 or so per bike!

You can buy a CB for about $80 and modify it for helmet use for about
another $20.
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:23:05 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>A FINAL FLAME: EVEN IF YOU WERE GRANDFATHERED IN FROM ANOTHER STATE, YOU
>STILL HAD TO GET YOUR BIKE REGISTERED IN CA (PRESUMABLY) AND GET YOUR CA
>LICENSE (PRESUMABLY). DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT, BECAUSE YOU MOVED
>INTO A DIFFERENT STATE, YOU SHOULD GET THE DAMNED STUDY BOOK FOR THE MOTO
>TEST AND FIND OUT THE FUNNY LAWS OF YOUR NEW STATE? IF YOU HAD, YOU WOULD
>HAVE FOUND THAT IT EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT LANE-SHARING IS NOT ILLEGAL, BUT
>THAT DMV DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT FOR SAFETY REASONS.

When I moved here 5 years ago, I searched the DMV manuals from cover to
cover, but there was absolutely no reference to lane sharing.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Interesting challenge of helmet law
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.235113.26199@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
}Which, by the way, is an interesting question: should Native Americans
}be allowed to use peyote in their religious ceremonies, although it
}contradicts U.S. law?  Should Muslims in India be governed by an entirely
}different set of religious laws, allowing more than one wife, for example,
}while in the rest of India it's illegal?

There should be no laws regarding what a consenting adult may ingest,
nor should there be laws regarding who can marry who. Period.

If this general attitude were expanded to most topics, we wouldn't have
half the laws on the books now and there would be no helmet laws nor
debates about them.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: @*^#*$%## California -- what color reflectors CAN one use?
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<1992Dec12.195651.28276@netcom.com> <1992Dec13.185731.10412@adobe.com>
Distribution: ba
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:05:43

In article <foo> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
   In article <bar> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
   }All lamps and reflectors visible from the front, sides, or rear of a
   }vehicle, except headlamps, may have any unlighted color, provided the
   }emitted light from all lamps or reflected lights from all reflectors
   }complies with the required color.  [other stuff]

   This has got to be the stupidest paragraph I have read in ages!
   It seems to mean that:

   1) I can paint the *housing* of any lamp any color I want, as long as the
   lens of that lamp causes the required color light to shine when I turn the
   lamp on, and

People *do* actually put different colors over their brake light lenses.  I
remember one model of Nissan [mumble] sports car whose brake light lenses
were a bunch of very narrow red strips, almost totally masked by white
bars of body material:

                 __   __   __   __   __
                /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/         (asterisk = red lens;
               /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/ 		 blank space = white body)
              /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/
             /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/  /*/
            ---  ---  ---  ---  ---

(where the lenses were really much thinner than depicted here) -- though
really this is more of a shape masking effect.

In San Diego around 1984, I frequently saw a white Honda CRX with *no*
obvious lights on the back panel (tho' the two red reflectors were
still visible): the owner had put translucent white panels over the
lights, and they were essentially invisible till they came on.

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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: New stuff on aftermarket touring gear (Pacifico)
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:12:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Following up on an ad in a mag, I now have another company to add to
the list for those wishing to "roll your own midsize tourer".

Pacifico Products by Swanee & Co, Inc
1550 South Main
Milton-Freewater, OR 97862-1229
(800) 547-8273
(503) 938-6174

These guys sell an impressive list of stuff for making cruisers
tour-ready.

They have two full fairings which have bays for stereos and speakers,
as well as a Sound Pak radio housing for carrying a stereo and speakers
without a fairing. There's also a cheap light fairing and two bar-mount
windshields. For the two larger fairings there are optional lowers.

Swanee also has a line of lockable hard luggage which look in the pictures
to be suitcase style, quick-release, pivotable to horizontal position while
still on the rack, locking individually and to their racks, water-sealed,
in high-gloss black, white, or silver, and made of ABS plastic with a
coating to resist UV irradition.

I may throw in all my chips with these guys when the time comes.
Has anyone else had experiences with Swanee/Pacifico stuff?


-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902 
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: duk@well.sf.ca.us (Chuck Miller)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:46:21 GMT

In <1992Dec16.214246.394@netcom.com> dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:

>Eddie Kieger (efk00@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
>: Why not try it when YOU are spliting lanes. If cagers are always 
>: waved to when they make room for us, maybe more of them will start 
>: doing it instead of pulling CLOSER because they are pissed that someone 
>: else is getting down the road faster than they are.

>Well, it's a nice idea <wan smile>.  But when I'm splitting lanes
>(usually across the Bay Bridge), I am in a very heightened state of
>concentration with my right hand ready above the brake at all moments
>and my left hand ready to apply the horn or flash my high beam or both.
>I always figure, if I can't find the special level of concentration I
>require to feel safe splitting, say, because I'm tired or out of it,
>then I don't do it that day.  (I like to think of the level of
>concentration I require of myself as a kind of Zen thing.)  Anyway, with
>both hands very busy at the ready-and-waiting, I can't see removing one
>to wave every few seconds.

>--
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I lane split every day on the Bay Bridge as well and try to wave at cagers
that move over for me.  On a good day that means two or three.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.unix.large,comp.unix.admin,ba.internet,alt.internet.services
From: bjorn@netcom.com (Bjorn Satdeva)
Subject: Bay-LISA Dec 17th: SOCKS
Followup-To: sender
Keywords: security internet
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:40:34 GMT


Bay-LISA                                                     December 17th


SOCKS: Secure Network Connectivity Through a Firewall Host


	Socks is an Internet socket service package consisting of client
	library routines and a daemon which interact through a simple
	protocol to provide convenient and secure network connectivity
	through a firewall host.  Client applications can be easily
	modified to utilize the Socks library routines in place of the
	normal socket library calls such that all outgoing connections
	will go through the Socks daemon (sockd) running on the
	firewall host.

	The Socks package was written by David Koblas while employed at
	MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.  Since David is currently working
	in Norway, Paul M. Moriarty of Cisco Systems, Inc. will present
	Socks for him.

Next Month: Best of LISA VI (tentatively)

Video tapes of previous meetings available to Bay-LISA members.


General Meeting Information:

        Date:   Thursday, December 17th 7:30 PM
                (Third Thursday of every month)
                Please do not arrive before 7 PM.

        Place:  DEC
                Digital Santa Clara III
                2465 Mission College Boulevard
                Santa Clara

                From 101 take the Great America Parkway/Bowers Avenue exit.
                Take Great America Parkway, keep right.  Come to the first
                light, turn right and keep left.  At the first light, turn
                left into the parking lot of the office complex where Santa
                Clara III (WRO3) is.  The main entrance is right off a foun-
                tain in the center.  The meeting room is on the first floor.

        Info:    Send e-mail to baylisa-info@sysadmin.com, or you
                 may contact:

                 Bjorn Satdeva (408) 241-3111
                 bjorn@sysadmin.com

The Bay-LISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest for
administration of sites with more than 100 users and/or computers.  
The meetings are free and open to the public.



Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.human-factors,comp.cog-eng,comp.groupware
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: REMINDER -- SEF Dinner Mtg. Wed. 12/16: Windows**3
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:00:29 GMT

           Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

      Monthly Dinner Meeting, Wednesday December 16

   Subject:  Windows, Windows for Workgroups, Windows NT

At this SEF dinner meeting, Paul Maritz, Senior VP, Microsoft
Systems Software Division, will present the future direction of
Microsoft Windows. His talk will cover Windows, Windows for
Workgroups, Windows NT, and beyond.

He will be joined by members of the Windows NT development team
and by a panel of developers from Bay Area software companies
that have ported applications to Windows NT.

Where:	Elk's Club, 4249 El Camino Real, Palo Alto
	(one block south of Charleston)

When:	Wednesday, December 16
	6:30 pm -- No-Host Bar
	7:00 pm -- Dinner

Price:	$20.00 members
	$30.00 non-members

Info:	Reservations are advised -- call 415/965-9003
	Other information, call SEF office 415/854-7219

The Software Entrepreneurs' Forum is an eight year old Silicon
Valley based organization with over 900 members.  SEF was founded
by a group of software entrepreneurs to provide skills for
developing, marketing, and selling software through a network of
support groups.  In addition to the monthly dinner meeting, SEF
sponsors special interest groups in Unix, Marketing, Networking,
Macintosh, DOS, Windows, Multimedia, Intelligent Systems, Pen
Software, and Business Operations.
From: sgajare@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Sanjay Gajare)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:51:09 GMT
Subject: kushi institute
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: ba.seminars


 The Kushi Institute - Its' internationally known teachers and authors
 of macrobiotic food - is coming to the S.F. Bay area for the first time.

 Beginning in January '93, the Kushi Institute Extension program
 will offer level 1, the first of three levels of macrobiotic studies,
 beginning with its balanced vegetarian diet - well known not only
 for creating and maintaining excellent health, but also for
 reversing degenerative diseases such as cancer, high blood pressure
 and heart disease.

 The program will be conducted in 10 weekend sessions scheduled every
 third weekend. Further information can be obtained by calling
 SF Bay area, Kushi Institute Extension Program, (415) 321 - 8324