HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:30:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <manz.718957072@ee.ualberta.ca> <67737@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Oct15.154344.11481@microsoft.com>

Frank Maloney (God, are we *all* queer?) gets uppity and cracks a book:

>In article <67737@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling)
>writes:
>>Brett Manz presses his joss:

>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Definition of joss...
>>>joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY] :
>>>   a Chinese idol or cult image
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>In James Clavell's novels, "joss" is a Japanese word for "luck".

>I finally thought to look the word up in my Webster's Ninth. It, too,
>says joss is Pidgin English from the Portuguese deus, god, which of
>course comes from the Latin.

>It list joss house, as well as joss stick, but joss by itself is
>defined as an idol or cult image.

>So I'd say Clavell is way off-base both linguistically and
>geographically, since Portuguese probably enters via Macao, some little
>ways south of Japan (although the Portuguese were once traders in
>Japan, before that country was closed to all but a once-a-year Dutch
>fleet--if memory serves).

>Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney

Hey, bud, you trying to make me look bad in front of all these
other people with dictionaries?  The dog *ate* mine, OK?

Anyway, by now you realize that I misspoke and wrote "Japanese" where
I meant to write "Chinese".  To further clarify, the Clavell novel
that I remember reading, "Noble House", was set in Hong Kong, and god
knows there have been more than a few linguistic influences adding
their foreign spices to the local tongue.  Clavell also mentions
joss sticks, which are burned like incense, but I forget in what
context.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:57:59 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <mattm-091092160327@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> And as for nastiness, I have largely confined my nastiness to those
> who, themselves, are most likely to use it.

Addressing all those who happen to be older than you, you
remarked: "We shall bury you".  Given what else was going on
in the group at the time, I considered that an unbelievably
insensitive and unpleasant remark, and said so.  I'm not
likely to forget the effect it had on me. 

I've no idea what you're really like as a person, Matthew,
but the impression you convey is not a pleasant one.  If
that's your intention, you've succeeded admirably.

--John
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 10 Oct 1992 13:45:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1axz43l@rpi.edu> 
buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

> Does anyone else find this Madonna discussion just a 
> little bit RIDICULOUS?

Oh, I'm sure there are people who find it ridiculous.
They can hit their "n" or "k" keys and follow other,
less ridiculous threads instead.  Such as the one that
seems to confuse good tailoring with haute couture.
(Haute couture is *always* well tailored.  The best
tailor in the world can sew you up an absolutely marvy
self-belted leisure suit in lime green plaid.)

> I feel like I've channeled into talk.abortion. Pro and anti people 
> just ranting and raving at each other with no real hope of changing 
> the other's position on the issue at hand.

My mission here is to expound on faggy cultural issues.
If you're not interested in following a discussion that
touches on Mary Pickford's megalomania, Ella Fitzgerald's
cruddy TV show, Jane Russell's slutty outfit in _The French 
Line_, and Renee Falconetti, then you can always read about
someone else's culinary habits.  Or you can follow the 
horrors taking place in Oregon and Colorado.

> GIVE IT UP, girlz! :-)

When someone claims that Mary Pickford was the model for
Norma Desmond?  Not on your life!

Arne
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 22047@wam.umd.edu, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <67739@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)  
>writes:
>} Donald Agarrat and Howard Solomon --
>}
>} SHORTEN YOUR LINES, BOYS, THEY'RE TOO LONG.
>} 
>} Thank you.
>
>*hangs his head outside of the front window and yells, "ALRIGHT, LISTEN CUTE  
>HUNKY MEN!  THE LAST 100 OF YOUS GOTS TO GO HOME!*
>
>Howie, it's your turn ...
>
>*smile* (Yes, it's possible)
>
>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!


Mea culp, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!  I have been accused of many
things in the past but long LINES is a new one.  I have also received
many private requests for this as well.  I will try...

The only remaining question is:
	"Who shall I get to punish me?"

(Grandmama is out of the running for obvious reasons)

Aside to Don:

OK?  I am equally humbled.  I'll see your smile and raise you one hug.
I think we are beginning to understand each other better.  (And I still
owe you a reply to your email, thanks)

Yours in battle though in a different battallion,


Howard

---
========================================================================
Howard I. Solomon			|ELECTION '92
Software Support Engineer, SunExpress	|Hold your nose and vote for Bill!
his@east.sun.com			|
=========================================================================
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Melinda's comments on Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:32:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct13.163254.5495
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

Yeahwhatshesaid.  Brava.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:00:58 GMT

In article <1b7ddlINN1a9@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>Perhaps it was the cultural context.  Well, if you want to be
>enraptured by a film, you really do owe it to yourself to see
>_The Passion of Joan of Arc_, which I mentioned in my previous
>article.  It's not a perfect movie -- some of it is actually
>kind of tedious -- but when it works (about 90% of the time)
>it is AMAZING.  The film is about the last day in Joan of Arc's
>life.  Joan is played by Renee Falconetti in what was her only
>film appearance, and I have never seen such acting in a film.  
>The film's visual texture is gorgeous, but then there are those
>incredibly forceful, shocking close-ups of Falconetti's face, 
>and...well, you really should see it if it ever turns up on a 
>film society program near you.
>
So, Arne, how come I never see you at the Melnitz Theatre or
the Bing Auditorium? 

I agree with you on Renee Falconetti. Anyone who thinks that
silent film acting relies on excessive pancake and exaggerated
movements must see this film. But much silent film in general
(I'm not sure if I'd include the two-reel melodrama and the
Great Train Robbery rip-offs) appeals to me precisely because 
of the vintage of the soundless technology and the alienation
from context. I teeter between laughing and amazed awe at
actors like Francis X. Bushman, and even though the reaction
is innapropriate. I have a similar experience with early
postwar Japanese film, particularly Ozu and the early Kurosawa.
KCET recently showed Ikiru and Tokyo Story and even though
I had seen both many times, and I'm not Japanese and they
were made decades before I was born, these stories of loyalty
and the conflict between tradition and change (not to mention
the remnants of bombed-out streets in Tokyo) raptly held me.


>Arne
>


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Gays A Plenty in DC!
Keywords: QUILT, GAYS, KISSIE POO
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:45:53 GMT

I just got back from the weekends events in DC, and besides
the quilt I just wanted to say that it was truely marvelous to
see so many lesbians and gays... and soooo many couples.  I
stayed in the "gay area" near Dupont Circle with a dear
friend, so there were certainly many, many g/ls walking around
hand in hand, cuddling and kissing in the parks, cruising the
bookstores and record shops, etc.  But what was truely
spectacular was seeing the couples walking the malls
hand-in-hand, cuddling on the benches after a long day
shopping, and going ape over the sales racks!  AND, it didn't
stop there... even the outlet malls in the burbs, the metro
subway stations, the Smithsonian (I especially like the two young
butch guys who were wearing very nice leather bomber jackets
and holding hands in front of the uniform display in the Star
Trek eposition at the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum... no
one blinked an eye... and it almost moved the ex and me to
cuddle a little too)... AND, of course, there was the displays
of affection, outrage, and compassion at the Quilt...

SO, if you haven't made plans yet... BE IN DC NEXT YEAR FOR
THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON!  Not only take part in the events,
but don't be shy about roving all around the greater DC area
cuddling with you SO (or agreeable friend)!  Let's show them
what traditional family values really are... LOVE!

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com          voice: 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      609 Science Drive          Moorpark, CA  93021 
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
-=>NOTE:  The feed to tdbear@tandon.com may be interrupted in Sept.<=-
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why's It the Way It Is?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:33:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct14.111717.5314@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1992Oct14.165716.26427@athena.mit.edu>
  <1992Oct15.054117.3680@athena.mit.edu>

Max Vasilatos tries to pull our collective leg:

>(Also, I'm not trying to be Mark Ethan Smith and mess
>with people's heads.  Max Vasilatos carries her sexual
>equipment inside her pelvis, not out in the breeze.  No
>secret, no joke.)

>Max
>max@athena.mit.edu

Oh, come on.  If you are really a woman, why aren't you called
"Mini"?

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:05:03 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.062104.12094@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
>wrote:

>> P.S.: let me know when you find out fer sure.  I think he has something to
>> do with something called 90210.  I think Arne knows (only incidentally,
>> of course.)

>This would hardly surprise me.  Has *anyone* found *anything* that Arne
>does *not* know?

Quick! Who played in superbowl VII, who won, who was MVP?

*BELCH*ing and scratching his gonads,

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: first no on 9 tv ad i
Keywords: _9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin Measure_9, Oregon, muffin
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:04:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43964
Distribution: soc
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <BvuAA7.I2M@agora.rain.com> dorsieh@agora.rain.com (Dorsie Hathaway) writes:
>
>I've been waiting for a good excuse to demuffin.  
> [...]
>Shouldn't I have a party now or a cake or something?

But you already threw a faaaabulous (4 'a's) dinner party!  And you have
been an icon on pdx-motss for quite a while now.

[yes, it's true, I really, really do think that Dorsie is fantastic!]

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Further Butchification
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:03:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.150923.23624@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.050509.18185@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com
> (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> >I just finished eating some peas (I don't count them, but
> >probably more than 57) in butter (not "butter sauce",
> >whatever that is, but actual butter),
> 
> Butter sauce is a low-cholesterol, low-calorie Product,
> consisting of equal parts canola oil, exotic preservative,
> coloring and flavorizing chemicals, and death.
...
> >and I'm listening to Mahler's Second Symphony (Resurrection)

> >...  Luscious stuff.
> 
> The peas with butter or the Mahler?  The Resurrection might
> be more relevant if you'd had butter sauce.

This had better not be a slam on the Mahler 2nd, Jess, or there's some
*serious* taste adjustment in order.

> I dunno about the attributions here, I assume this was
> a sig quote.  I loved how it keyed to your opening theme.
> 
> >=>Why even bother thinking about works one doesn't like
> >=>(and some other people do)?
> 
> >=Because opera is a blood sport, that's why. Pass the tomatoes. 
> >=eschramm@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (eric)

I think this was part of a recent thread in rec.music.classical.

> 
> Ich habe deinen Mund gekuesst, Iokanaan.  [...] Hat es nach
> Blut geschmeckt?  Nein, doch schmeckte es vielleicht nach
> Tomato.  Reich' mir den Mahler, bitte.

Uh-oh. I fear I was right. I guess I'll start warming up that pod.

["Tomate", in German, or so I believe, but never mind.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:23:32 GMT

> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>You have to go back a lot further than Jayne.  Further than Dietrich,
>or Davis, or Garbo, or even Swanson, to find the only other woman in
>Hollywood who has achieved the fame, fortune, and influence of Madonna.
>Back to the beginning of the industry - the *very* beginning - and 
>a fiesty blond Irish woman, who I would maintain is the original
>model for Norma Desmond.  The woman's name was Mary Pickford...

They hired *Gloria Swanson* to play America's Sweetheart???!!!
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: They've *ruined* the _New Yorker_
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:30:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.022509.17598@boy.com> robert@boy.com (Robert A. Swirsky) writes:

>Does anyone else think that the new _New Yorker_ format stinks?

I've been having a lot of interior monologues about this question.
Being a long-long-time New Yorker reader, I was all set to loathe any
changes in format.

In fact, I was dismayed to find that I rather like them.  (So far.)
What, after all, is so sacred about not being able to tell from the T of
C what is fiction vs. non, what the reviews are about, what the regular
columns are dealing with this week, and so on?  The content of the
articles so far seems not so different (the reviews are never as long as
they were sometimes allowed to be a few years back, but that change has
been creeping in for years now).  And it's easier to find out what's
going on.  I guess there was a charm in impenetrability, but it's one
I'm content to give up.

>Not only have they started those horrible smelly perfume advertisments,

They've been doing those for some time, haven't they?

>they started a *letters* *to* *the* *editor* column!

Actually, they seem to sprinkle these letters around the mag, as column
fillers.  THIS worries me: are the humorous-errors-found-in-the-press-
followed-by-a-sarcastic-comment going the way of the dodo?

>In this week's issue, some Clueless Reader wrote to ask what they meant by a
>"tetragrammatonic mustache."

Not an entirely clueless question, IMHO.  The answer conceded that the
moustache did not resemble "the name of God," but rather a moustache
such as one might expect the Deity to sport.  Still, I think I figured
it out the first time, or close enough.

>At the end of the magazine, there's now a column along the lines of _Time's_
>(or is it _Newsweek's_) "my turn." And all writers now have *great* *big*
>*bylines*.

Do you *mind* knowing who wrote an article before you read it?  I find
it kind of a kick.  As for the concluding column, too soon to tell (for
me).

Now, if they start messing with the typeface for page numbers, I'm going
to get *really* upset!!  :-)

Jon Alan Conrad
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: By popular demand..
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:57:31 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
>nelson@reed.edu \/                   Finger nelson@reed.edu for my public key

Damn!  I was hoping for his pubic key.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:07:29 GMT

In article <CARLTON.92Oct7085238@scws8.harvard.edu> carlton@scws8.harvard.edu (david carlton) writes:
>I'm with Nelson on this one.  I'd heard of her before a few months
>ago, but not before a couple of years ago (when I saw _Blue Angel_ for
>a class of mine) (Should there be a "The" in that title?), and just
>last year I saw a movie that she was in without realizing that it was
>she.  Oh, I suppose it's possible that I'd heard the name before a
>couple of years ago; but I wouldn't count on it, and if so it
>certainly wasn't a name that I considered important.

I am at a loss to understand what these testimonies mean, other than to
state the obvious: this knowledge isn't innate, and even a college education
isn't enough to guarantee a certain base of cultural literacy.  Arne's point
is that her apotheosis as an icon transcends individual familiarity as her
image is appropriated into mass images of culture.  That you haven't heard
of her or recognize her role may reflect sheer perversity, insularity
or simple disinterest, but it's not particularly relevant in any case.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: FA.JGS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Shackelford)
Subject: GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:06:05 GMT


                  SOUTH BAY DRIVE SHAFTS

                        CAR CLUB

              GROOVIN' ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON


SEPTEMBER 29, 1992

Greeetings from the South Bay Drive Shafts, a region of Lambda Car
Club International,  San Jose's only Gay and Lesbian special
interest antique car club.

After only one year, our membership has grown to seventy strong.  We
have participated in both  San Jose's pride parades, providing
classic vehicles for various VIP's, promoted and hosted tours to
various Bay Area points of interest, and have raised and
contributed several thousand dollars to local aids charities and
community service organizations.

The South Bay Drive Shafts recently participated in the 1992
International West Coast Auto Meet held in San Luis Obispo.  Well
over 500 members of similar auto organizations from all over the
country participated with hundreds of their classic autos.  As our
commitment to the weekends festiviteies, we presented the Firday
night show which was a musical tour of the 1960's.  This show
featured members of our club performing, both live and pantomine,
their favorite song and dance numbers assocoated with this era.  The
show was such a resounding success and word of it spread so quickly
that we have been asked to present this show as a benefit for our
local community.

The Procedes are to benefit Visting Nurses, Aris Food Basket and
Necessities and More.

Where: Gaslight Theater
       400 East Campbell Avenue
       In Beautiful Downtown Campbell
       The Valleys Fastest Growing Ghost Town

Where to call:  408-977-4288 OR 408-292-5682

When: October 18, 1992
      Mattinee Performance at 2pm
      Evening Preformance at 8pm

Cost: $10.00
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:51:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct08.173129.32577@watson.ibm.com>,
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) wrote:

> 
> *madonna* is melon's fave iconoblast?
> damn!  i guessed reagan.

Truth be known, it would have to be Ron Headrest.  Pity Doonsburied 
isn't - but kind of like SNL, there is an occasional jewel, and
Headrest was one of them.

Melmothra, ACC
(ps.  where *is* Dolphie...  I was so looking forward to today.
*sigh*  C'est la V).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:43:42 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>In article <Bvt580.4Ev@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) 
>writes:

>>The rumors are untrue.

>Yes, the OCA is completely truthful and has nothing to hid, so we should
>believe what they tell us.  

The OCA has been receiving so little support from the Oregon business
community that they would crow their heads off if BB gave them the time
of day.  After some of the pathetic jokes they've trotted out lately to
lend them a little legitimacy, they're starving for some 'mainstream'
recognition and support.  For them to hide their 'mainstream' supporters
would be to admit that their cause was unpopular, which is something they
would never do.  For this reason, and in this particular case I tend to
believe them.

>And, as Henry Mensch pointed out, there are other reasons not to shop at
>BlockBuster. 

No doubt.  I tend to prefer pop-n-pop/mom-n-mom video stores,but there
ain't no such animal in PDX other than adult video places.  At least,
none that I'm aware of.

Several posters have noted Blockbuster's lack of inclusion.  What I find
interesting is that we've had no trouble at all finding gay titles at
Blockbuster.  The BB in the Oak Lawn neighborhood in Dallas has (or had)
a gay interest section, and Longtime Companion, Desert Hearts, etc.,
were readily available.  We rented Querelle at a BB, I believe the one
at Church & Market in San Francisco.

This is not to marginalize your concerns, nor to say that the BBs
in your neck of the woods aren't being run by a pack of rabid 'phobes.
They may well be.  All I'm saying is that this hasn't been my experience
with them.  Maybe I need to be enlightened by some BB employees; any takers?
I believe BBs are run as franchises, so your mileage may vary.



-- 
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