HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV console due soon
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:34:30 GMT
Organization: a2i network

In article <harry.03qm@elfuerte.fipnet.fi> harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen) writes:
>This was in December CU Amiga, page 10:
>
>"A cut-price, cut-down console-like version of the CDTV is set for launch
>before next Easter.  Although plans for the new machine, aimed at taking on
>the SNES and Megadrive in the burgeoning console market, have been kept
>underwraps, we can exclusively reveal that the new machine will be
>competitively priced and come in at below #200 (200 UK pounds).  No specs
>are currently available although at least five UK software houses are
>currently developing titles."
>

Hmmmm. This sounds familiar.

#define MARC_BARRETT_MODE_ON

 Gee, I was  recommending this about this 2 years ago!! 

#define MARC_BARRETT_MODE_OFF

>This reminds me of Eggebrecht's talk:
>
>- AGA will be put into all models of the Amiga, including the CDTV.  Also CDTV
>  technology will be brought to the entire Amiga line.
>
>- Full motion video support is well on its way.  The feature is here now, but
>  the development systems for this technology is not.
>
>- Prime goal with the CDTV is to cost reduce it and then enhance it.
>
>Any more info, anyone?  Or speculations?  :-)
>

I had proposed on the net that the CDTV be stripped down to a cartridged
base machine with the CD unit as an add-on. The user could expand it to
a full fledged CDTV machine if they desired. Making it as nice looking as
CDTV would put NES to shame considering how cheesy they look, and would
encourage people to display it along side their stereo/tv systems instead
of hiding it in the closet. With the "Commodore" name constantly visible
on the front, you get the extra added effect of subliminal advertising,
making Commodore a name to reckon with along with Sony or RCA in 
home electronics. 

I brought this up to Jim Dionne at the WOC/Pasadena, and he smiled and
said "Wait until CES (next month), I think you will like what you will
see".

So these rumors could very well be correct.

Now all they need to get some more professional looking SW for the thing
along with the long awaited demo disk which was never released.

mike

 
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From: dmiller@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (David L. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:39:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec23.033908.22929
Followup-To: alt.flames
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities

In article <22DEC199221001854@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov>, olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
|> In article <Bzoswq.4p7@news.iastate.edu>, skank@iastate.edu (George L. Hall-Skank) writes...
|> >
|> >	It appears that the new ALPHA runs in the 150 specmark range.  Maybe
|> >as fast as 200 specmarks running code in tight loops from cache.  I'm with
|> >Steve, that's not very close to 2000 but that's still *quite* impressive!
|> >It might even be the fastest processor on the planet, that depends on HP.
|> 
|> From what I've read, HP is a long way away from even coming close to ALPHA, on
|> the order of a year or two.
|>

Not true.  Here is an excerpt from comp.newprod a couple days ago:

>       PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov. 10, 1992 -- Hewlett-Packard
> Company today unveiled an extensive family of the
> world's fastest workstations and a suite of interactive
> technologies that takes full advantage of their power.
> 
> 
> 
>      The new HP Apollo 9000 Series 700 workstation
> family is based on the superscalar PA-7100 chip and
> features the following:
> 
>      o    performance of up to 150.6 SPECfp92, 80
>           SPECint92 and 147 SPECmark*89;
> 
>      o    high-performance, expandable color
>           workstations priced from $5,695*;
>...

It looks like they are running neck-and-neck...

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From: lee@rose.brandeis.edu (charles lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Freedom
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:28:16 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>KILL/FROM

>You'd be positively amazed at how much more sense this news group makes.  I
>guess its like the gausian distribution: 95% of the problem is caused by 5% of
>the population.  Try Kill, you'll like it.  You'll make your mind a better
>place. 

How does one do this under nn (I'm using Ultrix)?

/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Charles Lee                  :______/\_M_I_G_/\______:= FocuS GraphicS =|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~                  : for the Creative Mind :  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  |
| lee@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu :=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=: 2D/3D Graphics   |
| Brandeis University          :1 Universe, 1 Computer.: 2D/3D Animation  |
| Structual Biology Lab        :         Amiga.        : Rates negotiable |
From: kennys@terapin.com (Kenny Sequeira)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ####The "how to get rid of Irving Gould" Top Ten List####
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:38:53 PST
Organization: BBS

The best laugh I had in a month.

kennys@terapin.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Well, I found...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:19:02 GMT

In article <72374@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>How can you guys stand that flicker?  Please don't tell me you 'get used to
>>it'.  I guess you get those add-ons, 'flicker-correctors'.
>>
>>Hmm.
>
>No, we buy 3000's or 4000's. No flicker on those. 

   What about in the 640x960 or 1280x480 modes? :-) :-) :-)

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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.170834.17755@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>: |> 
>: |> It's funny how Amigoids love to assume that "Only Amiga Makes It Possible".
>: |> I routinely run several command line sessions, a game, and the Windows
>: |> (or OS/2) desktop, each in its own screen on a PC with VGA.
>:
>: [...]
>:
>: Oh, right. I remember now. Windows does that silly full-screen-mode app switch
>: thing that nobody ever uses. It takes FOREVER to switch between those screens!
>: I prefer being able to drag ProPage halfway down the screen and still be able
>: to see what I was doing while I search for a missing file in a Shell window 
>: (which I did yesterday..)
>
>It takes ZERO time to switch from the Windows (or OS/2) GUI screen to 
>a full-screen DOS (or OS/2) session, unless you are running Windows on a 286
>or below.
>

WHAT!?  Intel chips based on the 80386 or higher are faster than the speed
of light?  You mean they actually operate at the asymptote (Do Screen/0) :)
:) :) :).

Sorry I'm punchy and couldn't resist....

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 24 Dec 1992 05:01:24 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <BzqrqM.3GF@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <jbickers.0lzy@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>>Then there was the episode where he wanted to
>>    kill various people.

I'm surprised you've forgotten the "Let's shoot the VP of CBM!!!"
episode.

>   First I am accused in e-mail of persuading the president and VP of
>Word Perfect Corp. to drop the Amiga.  Now somebody accuses me of plotting to
>murder people.  What are people going to accuse me of next?  Genocide? 
>I live in Iowa, not Serbia!

If you were going to commit genocide, you'd probably make the mistake
of starting with yourself, and that would be the end of it.  You and
Dan would be dead within hours.  ;)

>   I made a stupid statement once to the effect that I would not cry if Irving
>Gould suddenly died.  And I wasn't the only one who has ever said this; I
>was merely the first.  Many other people have made similar statements over
>the past few years.  Of course my statements are the only ones that ever get
>noticed.  

If I remember correctly, I distinctly remember a "Kennedy" move in
there somewhere.

Anyways, concluding that your statements are the only ones that ever
get noticed isn't only egocentric, it's a bit non-explicative.  If you
did something other than bitch, whine, and lie, you'd probably be
liked by a lot more people.  But the bitching continues, the whining
has gotten louder, your insatiable dissatisfaction heavier, and your
lying has taken new heights.

So frankly, you get what you deserve, these days.  You've made a name
for yourself.

I was rather astonished when I went on IRC.  I use the nom de plume in
the lower right corner of my sig, Wubba, as my nick.  People
recognized it.  As a matter of fact, for the first time in several
years that I had gone back on IRC (I left IRC for mudding, I left
mudding because I decided to get more than 4 hours of sleep at night,
and i went back on IRC to find a good copy of DNet for HP/UX...  which
never happened, but that's okay), people knew who I was IMMEDIATELY.
I was rather shocked.

And I'm not nearly as obnoxious as you are.

Greg

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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: What's this?!?!
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:14:37 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>What's this 'Guru Meditation'??  Is this the Amiga 'UAE'?  
>--
It means you must now bow to the guru and figure out what he is telling you.

Seriously though the numbers following have meanings and you can look them
up.  Some where on the fish disks there is a table of meanings.
Yet that is because you are running a couple slightly buggy prog.  
The first buggy prog you are running is the os 1.3.2, and the second
is some util.  Get yourself a util called GOMF while you are getting stuff
from the fish disks, it will intercept many gurus.  It even intercepts
a divide by zero I think.  Or get os2.0 for it. 

Oh and an answer to a previous question to hooking your pc and the amiga
together, get yourself a prog called twin turbo, it is a freeware prog.
Comes with a prog for the amiga and the pc, and get a null modem adapter
cheap at any electronic store.  You should get about 16k/sec throughput.

Oh and to a different post of yours about the a1000 keyboard garage.
We know and most of us wish we could have that thing on the new machines.

Martin

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:38:16 GMT

In article <1hr0b2INNb7c@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

[ ]
>
>	Well, for just a little more you can get a GW 2000 33/486 local bus
>   system with 250 meg HD, 8 meg ram, VESA local bus ATI ULTRA PRO graphics
>   card.  It sells for $2495.  Add OS2 at $79, and Gravis Ultrasound for $140,
>   and it's still a pretty good deal at $2700.  At least this way you won't
>   have to deal with a slow VGA card and the ISA bus for graphics.

OS2 has very little software for it at this time. Most people seem to want it
to run DOS and soon Windows3.1 programs. So basically you are still running
8/16 bit software on a pretty nice hardware platform which is not standard(
Ultrasound is not standard and its sw emulation of the SB still has many
problems), few DOS programs (which is what you will be running mainly) support
anything but VGA which leaves the local bus ATI card kind of wasted. Moreover
ATI has still not completed OS/2 native drivers for its card (unless you are
willing to go for 8514) and the 1meg version has real problems for anyone 
on a network and with a need for QEMM. 
 
The Gateway system is nice for a PC, but it's still a PC with all that entails.
Poor graphics and sound, as well as a misguided user community. It's not for
nothing that there was little increase in productivity over the past years
due to massive buying of micros.
 
The ATI Ultra Pro card received a very mixed review recently in Windows 
magazine (or one of the other 3 usual ad magazines). They suggested the ATI
Ultra+ as the Pro still had some bugs in it.
 
Finally Gateway is one of the first with the 2 extra local bus slots, and this
really could cause problems should the final "standard" bus on the PC ever
be arrived at.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: kevint@sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:16:29 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
> 
> It is definitely and engraved-in-stone sure that Sierra is dropping the Amiga.
> LucasArts is also really-for-sure gone. I haven't heard anything about EA, I 
> don't know WHAT to believe there...
> 

Well, I called Sierra personally to check this out. When I asked them if 
they had dropped Amiga support, they said no, they have suspended furthur 
development of new Amiga products. I asked, what does suspended actually 
mean. They said that they were not developing for the Amiga currently and 
they were not sure what would happen in the future.

My speculation is that they are waiting to see how the new AGA machines 
sell. These machines would make it much easier to port IBM versions and 
have the speed required to make their lousy ports playable.

Note that I could be wrong here. Sierra lost a lot of money lately and 
they have to cut somewhere. I suppose, given the quality of the ports and 
the size of the U.S. Amiga market, that cutting the Amiga versions is as 
good a place as any to cut back.

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:47:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.180723.23302@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
>:
>: 	If you do not know what I mean when I say screen, then you are 
>: missing the best innovation in multitasking systems.
>:
>
>No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
>systems, where each window can be dragged horizontally as well as vertically,
>and applications have consistent user interfaces and know how to talk to each
>other.

	Funny, I can move both my windows and my screens both horizontally
and vertically. It is a windowing system, with multiple screens. The Mac has
one screen, that takes a hell of a long time to redraw. To swicth between 
apps for an Amiga 500 7mHz, the screen draws so fast it is just a simple 
monitor display refresh...probably occurs in 1/60th of a second. On the Mac,
it just ain't so. 

	As far as consistent interfaces, the Amiga is working towards that,
but many will tell you that it is better to have a little creativity. Every
Mac word processor looks the same to me...I hate it.

	And as far as apps talking to each other, hell when did the Mac
introduce it's app ports? ARexx and Rexx have been around for years, and
ports have always been there.

>:
>: I would like to upload
>: a pic to show everyone what it looks like, but I can't put all those
>: different palettes into one picture! Please someone with AGA make a pic
>: of lots of screens the way it looks on an Amiga and upload it somewhere.
>:
>
>You're right -- it would probably make a spectacular image.

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

	The spectacular image is something I see every day, but cannot
capture it to an IFF. I could do it with a video recorder or a camera, 
but not with the Amiga hardware...and that is why it is so awesome...each 
screen is independant. 


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:31:27 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: [PkZip]
:
: > No, the one that's been out for a while, Version 1.1.  And yes, it is a
: > good example.
:
:     Does 1.1 contain '486 specific code, eh? I know 2.0 is supposed
:     to, but 1.1 is so old that I thought it only knew up to the 386.
:

We were talking about 32-bit code, and the 386-specific code in PkZip
qualifies.  Besides, why would you want to have 486-specific code?  There
are only a couple of new instructions in the 486, and they are pretty obscure.

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:53:46 GMT

In article <1ha5inINNgg@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <BzMzJ3.86n@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>
>>   When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
>>systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
>>fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.
>
>   You obviously think that CD-ROM is some sort of miraculous device that
>transforms your system into the next-wave of technology.

   No I don't.

> IT IS NOT. CD-ROM is
>merely a storage medium, just like anything that has come before it, like
>tape, removable disk, and hard disks.

   Of course.  But the miraculous thing about CD-ROM is that it makes 650M of
read-only storage available for the manufacturing cost of a floppy disk.

> CD-ROM doesn't add colors, it doesn't
>add speed, and it doesn't add features. It just stores. Any system can be
>made to work with a CD-ROM drive.

   Of course.  But CD-ROM can do wonders with a system that already has good
non-interlaced resolution and color capabilities.

>   As someone that has overseen two CD-ROM projects since September, I think
>I can fairly say I have a good grip on CD-ROM and what it means (see my
>tagline). A third will begin in the Spring (it's supposed to be demoed at
>CES).

   Very good.  What systems do these products run on?

>   While I would also like to see Commodore add more CD-ROM support to the
>Amiga, such third-party solutions have been available for well over a year.

   True, and exactly how much CD-ROM ***SOFTWARE*** has come out of this 
third-party CD-ROM support?  Excepting CDTV titles, which I do not regard as
true Amiga CD-ROM software.

>Right now, I personally don't care WHO makes a product as long as it does
>what I want it to do. If Commodore has the CD-ROM drive I want, fine. If they
>do not, fine - I'll go to a third-party.

   Commodore is needed to jump-start the development of Amiga CD-ROM products.
Tell me again: exactly how many are available? 

>   CD-ROM does not determine what composes the rest of the system.

   Of course it doesn't.  But an extra 650M of storage for a presentation or
a game can sure make a difference.  Take a look at the 20-disk "Star Trek
Twentieth Anniversary Game" for the IBM sometime, and then imagine what an
extra 46 times as much storage could do to the game.  Or imagine how good a tax
preparation program could be with 650M of storage to work with.  (The DataMax
people mentioned that their CD-ROM tax preparation program would have just 
about every IRS form you could imagine already scanned in high-resolutions
right on the disc)

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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:16:36 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>"Yes Greg, I have heard of Rexx.  From my point of view it appears to be a
> rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat every non-Amiga
> advocate in this group with."

>:-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

What have I done?

:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(

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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Some Amiga questions!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:08:08 GMT

 das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>Also, did you guys know that if you fold down the feet on the keyboard it
>can fit snugly *under* the Amiga 1000?  Nice to get it out ofthe way sometimes.
>I cannot imagine why C= would make the A500..well, AT ALL with the nice 
>looks and detached keyboard ofthe Amiga1000.  The A1000 looks a lot
>'better' than the A500, IMO.

     You've discovered the infamous Keyboard Garage!  That's a feature that 
was unfortunately left out of all the later models.

>What's this 'F -> E' scrollbar thing on the left of my windows?  What is it?

     It's a gauge to show how full the disk is.  "Full --> Empty".  It got
dropped in 2.0, but I run a Commodity that brings it back (but in a nice
3D form).

>and better in some respects.  And the 640X400-type mode (
>640X480) on my my PC doesn't flicker so bad.  Wow!

     Yeah, the flicker can be ugly.  De-interlacers are common, though, and
the AGA machines don't need them.



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