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From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: seeking advice buying used mbz 190e
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:23:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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I'm attracted to the 190e as a compact RWD sedan with
modern safety features (air bag, abs.)  Early models,
1984..1987 used are 8k..14k in this market.

Are there any basic flaws or problem areas in these
cars to worry about?

Are any production years particularly good or bad?
My information is:

sales started in 1983 as a 1984 model (ignoring diesels)

1984 2.3-4cyl
1985   "                abs-option
1986   "      2.6-6cyl      "      driver air-bag standard
1987   "          "         "                     (minor restyling)
1988   X?         "         "
1989   X          "     abs-standard
1990   X          "
1991 2.3-4cyl 2.6-6cyl
1992   "          "
1993   "          "                dual-bags option

I would look at 86 and later with the 2.6-6cyl engine because
I'd like to get a car with an automatic transmission.

I'd appreciate comments from 190e owners and other experts.

Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Toyota Tercel Problem - can u help ?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:16:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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ramachandran@amreto.enet.dec.com wrote:

: '84 Tercel:
: 	  The car  stalls when doing REVERSE and  occasionally on DRIVE when
: 	stopping at the lights (especially when coming to a faster brake than
: usual)

I think your carburetor has a dashpot which eases the throttle back to 
the idle position during quick deceleration.  Maybe it's not functioning.
At base setting, your engine should have enough power to overcome the
resistance in the torque converter without stalling.

: 	Also the idle rpm sounds better on PARK and NUETRAL than on DRIVE.  
: 	Engine seems to be fine.  Can this be because of tuning or is it a
: problem
: 	with the TRANSMISSION system ?

Could be either.  It would not suprise me that your carburetor needs a 
rebuild or the engine needs a tune up.  A simple thing like a slight crack
in one spark plug ADVERSELY affected our '85 Tercel.

: 	The car behaves quite well in summer time except when the AC is
: 	turned on, and the idle rpm goes down further.  The problem in the

Ours dipped in rpm with the A/C on.  We had a 4-speed in ours so it wasn't
as bad of a problem as yours with automatic.

: 	last few days has worsened and now i need to keep one foot on the
: 	accelerator almost everytime i start the car or idle the engine..

I would start with the tune up.  You could do most of the simple stuff
yourself, including rotor and cap on the distributor.  Then if you get
out of your league, find a nice import repair shop.

Wes Fujii
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From: djm48887@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Moisson)
Subject: Re: Last U.S. Made Corvette Slated for 1995
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:53:45 GMT

The sad thing is this is another example of another plant closing
and more US manufacturing jobs leaving the country.  It is a shame
GM couldn't just make the facility more efficeint and keep it here,
where it belongs.  Hard to beleive this great American Tradition
will now be made in Canada!  Oh well, Long live the Vet!

-- 
MY sig!!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER)
Subject: Re: HEAT SHIELD
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:29:38 GMT

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) says:
>
>>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>
>>
>>
>>  This is the exhaust manifold.  It is esentially a funnel which directs
>>  the exhaust from the exhaust ports of the engine into a pipe, which
>>  then goes to the catalytic converter (looks similar to a muffler) found
>>  in the middle or so under the car, then to the muffler, then out the 
>>  exhaust pipe.  Yes, often times there is a heat shield to protect the 
>>  hoses and spark plug wires from the heat, and instant melting if they
>>  managed to come in contact with it.
>>
>>  Steve
>>
>>  vetter@mtu.edu
>
>yeah..i know that..but i was thinking that this dohickey was a square
>enclosure..looking remarably like a CC, i know what an exhaust manifold
>looks like, and this is different. The Exhaust manifold is a cast piece
>that is bolted directly to the head, and then takes the exhaust to a
>common collection point and into the exhaust tube(unless you have
>a header, which is different, and has no exhaust manifold, but instead
>a pipe for each cylinder, which combine later in the system than those
>which use manifolds..*gross generalization*)  What i am thinking i saw
>(gonna have to look again sometime!) was NOT an exhaust manifold!
>thank you for responding, but that is not what i am talking about..
>now..about the header thing on the 1.9 HO..???
>thanx
>DREW

  Yea, someone else posted saying that the cat is where you said.  Sorry, 
  I didn`t think even Ford could fuck the car up that bad.

  vetter@mtu.edu

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>
>
>
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From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:00:18 GMT

sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:

>personally, I think they're ugly and all of the above reasons you stated 
>apply - one came with my car - I took it off quickly (need an 89' Taurus
>bra?) - there's a number of things you can do to help keep your car looking
>comparatively good - don't tailgate, keep back from trucks and those
>high-in-the-air things some people are still driving (most don't have
>decent mud flaps to help keep flying objects down) - there's not much else
>you can do to keep the projectiles down - also, buy some touch-up paint 
>from the dealer and touch-up some of the knicks before they get away -
>it looks like you live in the NE - especially up there, but everywhere
>else - a good coat of was does help the dpaint adhere better and fight off
>the stones - good luck

One other word of advice to avoid dings: stay out of the outermost lanes.
That's where all the crud from road goes.  Short of stuff falling off the
back of a truck, there's very little debris to get kicked up at you if 
you stay in the middle lanes.

David Basiji
UW Bioengineering
NeRD #3762
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Followup-To: rec.autos
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:00:37 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.152

> The Japanese logos are all SO unimaginative:  I think Subaru and Mazda are the
> only two that have any badge other than the first initial of the company.  

Mitsubishi uses three diamonds on most or all of its products, from cars to
consumer electronics.  I forget what they are supposed to symbolize, but 
they have some meaning, or at least one was retrofitted by an ad agency. 

When I was a kid, I loved the Cadillac coat-of-arms thingy with the duckies
on it.  This usually appeared on the trunk-lock cover, which I would
twiddle
whenever I walked by a Cadillac.  Chances are, none of this was quite what 
their marketing department had in mind.

At least GM seems to have dispensed with the little row of plastic
European flags that  they used to put near the door handles of certain 
cars that they thought had Euro-style sporting or touring pretensions.

Joe
Founder and sole member, Coalition to Bring Back the Olds Hood Rocket
From: eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: dunlop d80v4's ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:21:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Dec14.022111.16351
Organization: University of Washington

Has anyone tried Dunlop D80V4 tires?  Or come across comparison tests?
Any info would be much appreciated.

eliot
Organization: Naval Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:33:56 -0500 
From: "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10


Sounds like deja vu!  Back in 1970 I bought an Audi 100LS in its first
model year.  BIG mistake.  EVERYTHING, and I mean literally EVERYTHING
went wrong with it.  Here's a partial list, from what I haven't managed
to block out of my memory after 20 years:

Temp & Fuel guages either dead altogether, or else erratic and inaccurate.

Windshield washer inop.

Air conditioner noisy and completely useless.  Warm air only.

Hubcaps kept falling off -- literally.

The car didn't merely hesitate -- it LURCHED every time you even looked
at the accelerator --  IMPOSSIBLE to drive smoothly.

Alternator mounting bracket failed repeatedly, as did the alternator.

OFTEN failed to start.  It got so bad that after the fourth time the
dealer brought me out a new loaner 100LS one evening while he towed mine
back to be fixed.  The next morning the LOANER wouldn't start!  (Late
for work yet again...)

An engine mount failed allowing one corner of the underslung engine to
shift downward and screw up the drive train alignment.

The exhaust BURNED A HOLE INTO THE TRUNK when a leak developed in the
top of the tailpipe where it jogged upward over the rear axle.

IMPOSSIBLE to keep the front end aligned.

Etc., etc., etc.

From what I've read, the 100LS was so bad that Audi banished its name
from the U.S.  The "100" continued in Europe, but here it was the
"5000." (Apparently, even the mere mention of the 100LS sent shivers up
Audi's corporate spine!)

Ever since my 100LS experience I've avoided Audi's like the plague --
despite their seemingly high quality/cost ratio and many testimonials
about how much they've IMPROVED over the years.  Forget it.  They had
their chance with me.  I had a friend at the time who was car shopping
along with me.  On the same day that I bought the Audi he bought a BMW
"Bavaria."  His cost about $1500 more than mine at the time, but he had
NO problems with it -- and I had to endure his constant raves about how
great a car it was while mine was limping (or being towed) into the shop
every couple of days.  Long story short: Two BMW's later I've never
missed the Audi for an instant.  

I'm sorry about all your problems, but not surprised.  It's just the
"100" living up to it's proud heritage!
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From: bryanw@iastate.edu (Bryan J Welch)
Subject: Thanks - re: Is Santa Clara Worth it?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:14:16 GMT


A few weeks ago I posted a request for info in the cost of living in the 
Santa Clara Area.  The response was wonderful - I got at least 50 
responses.  So first of all, I would like to thank everyone for taking
the time to answer my request.  It has allowed me to make a much more 
informed decision with regard to my career, and for that I am very
thankful.

Oh, for those curious, I decided not to go to Santa Clara.  I recently 
got lucky and got a coop offer which will allow me to (hopefully) pay
for my graduate work in EE, and this one is in North Carolina.  I've 
heard nothing but good stories about NC, so I decided to stick with 
the coop.  

Thanks again - I really appreciated your help!

-Bryan Welch
-- 
Bryan Welch	N0SFG
Center for Nondestructive Evaluation
Internet: bryanw@iastate.edu, bwelch@cnde.iastate.edu 

Newsgroups: rec.autos,uk.misc
From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Subject: Re: Immobilising a diesel
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:25:25 GMT

>Eddie Rooney (eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Is there an easy way of immobilizing a diesel engine, in the same way as you might
>: remove the rotor arm on a petrol engine, or disconnect the coil?  Any ideas
>: appreciated.
>
In rec.autos wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) wrote:
>Potato in the tailpipe?  Yank the glow plug wires (doesn't work as well in
>the summer)?  Yank the fuel pump wires (if electric)?  Close the Jake Brake
>(if it's got one)?  Obstruction in the air cleaner?  Remove the linkages
>to the intake butterfly valve?
>
>Somehow you've got to cut off the air, fuel or exhaust.  If it's a GM
>rig then most of these are done for you automatically...   ;-)
>
There is usually an electric solenoid that blocks the fuel intake to
the fuel injection pump.  The solenoid is normally closed and if power
is removed to it no fuel will enter the pump (that's how you shut the
engine off, by the way).


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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tire Rack
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:29:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <1992Dec18.005323.22892@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George J Wu) writes:




 [experience with delays when ordering via mail order from Tire Rack deleted]



>
>     My main complaint is about the balancing.  Since I ordered a set of rims
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and tires, Tire Rack throws in mounting and balancing for free.  At speeds
>above 75 MPH, I get alot of vibration feedback through the steering system.
>This probably indicates the balancing isn't correct, so now I need to have the
>tires rebalanced.  This is inconvenient, not to mention costs me money for
>something supposedly already included.
>
>     When I first asked the net about Tire Rack, several people had positive
>comments.  No one had negative comments.  For me, I'm not sure I'll use these
>guys next time around.  I'm not pissed, but I wonder if the cost of shipping
>and the rebalancing isn't going to negate any savings I might have made.
>
>							George
>
>


I bought a set of tires (Dunlop D40M2's 195/50 15") a little over a 
month ago, and a couple of days after they had been installed i noticed 
that at around 60mph the steering wheel would vibrate.  I bought my tires 
from NTW (National Tire Warehouse).  When i went back and described my 
problem i was told that "High Performance Tires" often need to be rebalanced
after a hundred or so miles.  Something about the tires seating properly
on the rims. Since the rebalancing i occasionally notice some vibration.

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From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Porsche 916 for sale
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:30:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.144346.3755@resonex.com> dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell) writes:
>For sale: Original 1971, Porsche 914-6. Veh I.D. No. 9140432615. Not running
>currently and would be an excellant restoration project. Have several new HP
>suspension parts and fiberglass GT flair kit. Interior is in excellant 
>condition. $7000 or best offer.

Porschephiles: That subject "Porsche 916 for sale" is a bit misleading, isn't
it? I just about fell over when I saw that.

I wonder what one of the 916's would go for these days.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Xref: sparky rec.autos:29570 rec.autos.driving:7154
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:58 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>Bumper stickers - [My child is a honors student at ____ ____ school.]

If I recall correctly, it's Herb Caen of the San Francisco Chronicle 
who savors the parodies of these, such as "My little delinquent is
beating up your honors student" and "My child is an honors student
at (name of local medium-security juvenile facility).

>[(any bumper sticker referring to your religion)]  (exempt if you are Satanic)

Hmm.  There's a nice little tableau at an apartment down the street
from me -- one car has a glue-on Jesus-is-a-fish logo; the one next 
to it has "Love Your Mother" (picture of the Earth) on one side and
"Pagan and Proud" on the other.  Also, if you have the monkeywrenched
Jesus-is-a-fish -- the one in which the fish has legs and the word
"Darwin" replaces "Jesus" -- you get enough special bonus points to
excuse either curb whiskers or a Playboy air freshener hanging from 
the mirror.

>[I (heart) (anything)]

A former boss of mine swears that one day he saw "I (red heart) my
(picture of a dog), only with a picture of an, umm, industrial fastener
pasted over the red heart.

>Any sports bumper stickers.

Even "Oakland Raiders -- L.A. Traitors"?  Lighten up, man!

>[My other car is a _____]

Free pass into the Counter-Bad-Taste Hall of Fame for anyone who puts
"My Other Car Is Also a VW" on a Porsche.

>Frames that go "beep beep" when backing up (heavy trucks exempt)

A moment for seriousness:  depending on your neighborhood, this kind
of thing might diminish the wear and tear on the local kids.  I'm
considering a beeping backup light (never saw such a plate frame) to
increase the odds that little Cody from two doors down and his Stealth
tricycle are going to make it to kindergarten.

>(front tags)
You forgot "Eat More Possum," which in its premier implementation has a
picture of a dangling possum on it.

>"Things that can be stuck to a car" / "Things people actually paid money for!"

How could you possibly forget pseudo-Testarossa rearview mirrors, which,
in their most aggressively downscale implementation, are fluorescent pink?

>Fake vinyl tops on nice cars (like BMWs, Audis, etc..)

Even worse:  cloth tops with ribs underneath them to convince the
extremely gullible and somewhat vision-impaired that it's a convertible.

>Winner of "Best Abuse Of Technology of 1992" goes to - Talking Car Alarms

But the kids love them and will come from blocks around to push up and
down on your bumper to hear the alarm go off.

Actually, the key to all of this is determining whether the owner takes
it seriously or is making a parody display of that all-too-ridiculous
part of our lives, the automobile.  I dearly love the yellow Toyota
hereabouts that has a small rubber duck instead of a hood ornament.

Whew!  Back to work.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: HUMVEE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.031836.2721@microsoft.com> beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter) writes:
>In article <adamsd.724225101@crash.cts.com> adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas) writes:
>| 
>| So what did an actual military Humvee cost the US Govt.?
>
>My source (an old magazine article) says $28,500.
>
>--
>Ben Goetter
>beng@microsoft.com
>
	Yes, but there are a lot of things AM General had to do to the truck
to get it road worthy, ie crash safety and comfort enhancement, and EPA 
registration.  So, I guess, the price is reflected to the buyer and not the
American Taxpayer.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: k33074s@kaira.hut.fi (Micke Bergman)
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:53:28 GMT

In article <winders-111292101708@macwinders.support.apple.com> winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.060531.18823@u.washington.edu>,
>tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 	does the so called 'spoiler' actually help to hold the car
>> 	onto the road when traveling in high speed? diffrent spoilers
>> 	for differnt cars, are they just some extra fancy accessories
>> 	the car makers trying to pull on the car enthusiasts or
>> 	do they really have something to do with the acutal performance
>> 	of the car? maybe they're just made to improve the looks of
>> 	your car???
>> 
>> 	i have friends who drive 'acura integra' w/ the wing and some
>> 	without the wing -- the response is that there's not a bit of
>> 	difference when driving like 90mph or even 100mph. 
>> 
>> 	and if u take a look at the 300zx wing design, it's a totally
>> 	different 'thing' the the wing of integra's. does the 300zx
>> 	wing actually work, i really doubt it...
>
>On a 911, a chin spoiler and a whale tail increase overall downforce
>and overall aerodynamic effeciency. You will probably notice a
>difference at speeds as low as 45 MPH. Porsche designed their
>spoilers for racing and moved them to their street cars. Most
>cars will spoilers did not evolve in this way....

Allmost true. On the 911 Carrera (old model) Aerodynamic aids (Whale tail,
and air dam) decrease lift significantly.
For the interrested I have the numbers here.
100 mph :
          		Without spoilers	With spoilers
Lift at front axle	 60 lbs			 5 lbs
Lift at rear wheels	130 lbs			10 lbs
 
>
>Scott Winders
>winders@aux.support.apple.com
>
>"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"


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