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From: jimkent@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Kent)
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:51:08 GMT


--
It is now perfectly obvious that Gary Merrill has not tried to talk to
anyone with severe Schizophrenia, probably never even seen such a person.

Every person I've ever talked to who shared his opinions also shared his
ignorance on the subject.  People like this can _not_ be educated, it is
pointless to tr.

Jim
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN)
Subject: Re: Haemorrhoid removal questions
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:00:06 GMT

Types of surgery :
Ligation
Band Ligation
Laser haemarrhoidectomy

Side effects / complications
pain
retention of urine (often from pain)
anal stenosis

(all an be detected early and treated adequately)

Recovery time
4 weeks (probably sooner)

Anal sex
I don't see why not - it may be initially painful though. On the other
hand, it anal sex is causing the anal cushion prolapse, the haemarrhoids
may recur.

gervais
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: strange symptoms
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec7.072917.3848@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> brafman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Ronen Brafman) writes:
>I know this is a far shot, but I'm trying
>to get information any way I can. 
>Following a serious flu, my wife started
>feeling pain in her arm, elbow and shoulder.
>She was given antiinflmatory medication.
>This did no good and now (after 4 weeks)
>it has spread to her other shoulder. 
>She has an intense internal burning sensation 
>in her shoulders near the neck. The
>doctor does not know what to do and basically
>said we should wait. There are no external 
>signs and its not affected by movement. Any clues?
>Suggestions?
>

Brachial neuritis can often follow a viral illness.  Does
she have any weakness?  Is there a numb patch over her deltoid to pinprick?
Usually, I've found this illness to be unilateral, however.
A neurologic consultation may be in order.









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From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:46:17 GMT
Keywords: income

While I agree with Peggy's general comments, that same logic should mean
that Ph.D's should get even more than MD's because we go to scho
achool 6 to 7 years post B.S or B.A.  Unfortunately, this isn't the case

Just a thought

Magdi

P.S. before I get flamed for my inability to spell, excuse me, my editor 
is not working.`
From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Asthma Inhalers
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:17:50 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

Could somebody explain to me the difference between an inhaler by the name
of Maxair and an inhaler by the name of Ventolin?  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: MEDLINE/PaperChase
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:00:42 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

I promised I would post here when PaperChase became available
through the Internet.

You can now telnet to pch.bih.harvard.edu to log onto PaperChase.
If you have a key (password) already you're all set.  If not,
they have yet to put adequate instructions in, but if you
type "PCH,SIGNUP" at the key prompt, you can then give billing 
information (I think you need a credit card) and get a key.

I am not a representative of PaperChase, but they do work down
the hall from me.  As long as there aren't too many, I'll be
happy to pass comments along to them.
-- 
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From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: "reflexology"?
Keywords: alternative medicine, quack, scam
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:40:43 GMT

In article <17747@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <Byst5C.A89@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zig@uiuc.edu writes:
>>foot!  Are these people the quacks they seem to be?  Do they have 
>>any scientific basis to their method?  Are they licensed by most
>>states?  My grandmother's reflexologist claims to be licensed, but
>>I have to wonder.
>>
>There is no known scientific basis for it.  Certainly they can
>make people feel better, but so can just about any quack system.
>I've never heard of licensing them, but wouldn't be surprised if
>they are licensed in California.

Lessee now. California licenses M.D.'s, chiropractors, and acupuncturists.
Not homeopaths. Not naturopaths. Not reflexologists. California is
sure out on the radical edge.
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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Not here! (Re: ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:53:45 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
> In <1992Dec8.172340.2715@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
>    mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu brings up an out-of-scope topic:
> |
> |                     ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?
> |
> |               The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to 
> |          a question of when human life begins. . . .
> 
> Please don't post this to sci.med, it doesn't belong here.
> You should know that talk.abortion is the group intended for this
> debate.  Or alt.flame.

mcelwre is well known on the net as posting stuff he wants to, where
he wants to, and well outside of the scope of many of the groups he
posts to.  In fact, he often doesn't read any followups that occur.
Might as well just drop this one.
                         - tom
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Getting off Xanax
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:08:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.190857.7370
Organization: Western Washington University


What advantages does xanax have over valium?

A relative got a perscription for xanex for anxiety control,
and as I've heard that it's shorter half life make tapering 
down harder than with valium, I wondered why it would be
prefered by a doctor over valium.

Any clues?

JD
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From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Bitnet gateway for sci.med. Drug database
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:53:41 GMT

 I usually post to sci.med through a berkeley gateway. This is no longer 
working. Anybody know another one?
    A  subscriber to hspnet-l@albnyvm1 is asking for any Internet drug
database that is availble for TELNET.  Anyone know one? Don
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From: clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke)
Subject: Re: Casio Blood Pressure Wristwatch
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:55:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <127@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
|> I am not an engineer, but as a physician I have never been impressed by
|> any of the automated blood pressure devices, particularly ones which use
|> fingers. Even the units that use conventional cuffs on the upper arms are
|> terribly inaccurate unless positioned absolutely correctly, and if your are

We have one of the automated upper arm types in our cafeteria.  There is
a sign posted by it that says to go to the nurse for a re-check if your
reading is 'bad'.  Do not depend upon automated equiptment to substitute
for a trained nurse or doctor.
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:28:15 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <2274@hsdndev.UUCP>, rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:

|> would not then be writing these things.  Certainly other diseases
|> can be mistaken for schizophrenia (as TSS can be mistaken for
|> scarlet fever), but there clearly are people whom schizophrenia

It is possible to make a mistake in initial diagnosis for something
like scarlet fever based on the gross symptoms.  But subsequent tests
yield the appropriate diagnosis.  Are you saying that the same is
true for schizophrenia?  What is the analog of the blood test and
the identification of the micro-organism?

|> "strikes" just like cancer.  And like many other chronic diseases,
|> schizophrenia can often be successfully treated.
|> 
|> The reason you have been getting the responses you've gotten is
|> that you are truly posting out of ignorance.  Why don't you see if
|> you can get a tour of your local state psychiatric institute and
|> try to find people who you think are being held against their
|> will just because they don't fit some psychiatrist's view of
|> "normal".

If I decide to terminate my chemotherapy for cancer, I can simply
do so and walk away from the hospital (suffering whatever consequences
there may be).  If I am committed to a state psychiatric institute,
am I free to leave when I decide (for whatever reason) to terminate
my treatment?  (Notice that the very concept of "committed" seems
to imply a certain degree of coercion.)  If you will assure me that I
can terminate my psychiatric treatment under the same conditions and
with the same freedoms that I can terminate my cancer treatment,
I withdraw any complaint.
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From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: New study on prostate cancer
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:14:54 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Dec12.231504.21331@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU
 ("Amir Batouli") writes:
>There is a non invasive way to look for prostate tumors by
>measeuring the antibodies in a blood test. It really works and
>is easily performed.

I might as well try again.  Please define the test you are talking
about (I'd guess you mean PSA which is not a test for antibodies to 
tumor).  If you do mean PSA, what do you mean by "really works"?
Do you know of any evidence that men who've had screening for prostate
cancer with PSA live any longer than those who don't?

-- 
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rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Unexplained seizures
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:46:53 GMT
Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA

In article <werner-071292122648@128.32.157.31>, werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:

|> His seizures tend to come when he stands up from a sitting position.  A
|> doctor measured his BP when he stands, and it does drop quite a bit.  The
|> seizures are also a lot more frequent and severe on days when he has
|> exercized.  Sometimes he actcually faints and falls over during a seizure;
|> other times he just loses his sight (but not hearing) and speech ability
|> for 30 seconds or so.  During bad ones there can be mild convulsions too.

Are you sure he really has seizures? What you are describing here is
orthostatic hypotension - blood pressure which drops significantly when
arising from a sitting or lying down. People with severe orthostatic
hypotension may actually lose consciousness, and they may have movements
during this that could be misinterpreted as seizures. I am not aware of
actual seizures caused by orthostatic hypotension unless there is one
particular area of the brain particularly sensitive to ischemia. Perhaps
the neurology people could comment on this.

Orthostatic hypotension is caused by many things, but by far the most common
is medication. The list of medications which can cause this is very long,
and includes almost all antihypertensive medications, tricylcic antidepressants,
some neuroleptics, and other drugs as well. Other common causes include
longstanding diabetes and some other causes of neuropathies. Rare causes
would include certain tumors.

Any competent internist should be able to evaluate orthostatic hypotension,
although neurological consult may be necessary if a neuropathy is present.

-km
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: EMF worries: are they silly?
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:44:03 GMT

In article <=2f1Hq-9cb@atlantis.psu.edu> jwm3@vivaldi.psu.edu (James Walter Martin) writes:
>Michael Covington writes:
>:No.  Although it is still unclear whether they have any effect on the human
>:body, the electromagnetic fields from electrical equipment are quite different
>:from anything naturally present in the environment, because they are 
>:oscillating at a frequency of typically 60 Hz, and have electrical as
>:well as magnetic components.
> 
> if the difference is due to oscillation, wouldn't i then be in the same 
> amount of danger if i spun around in circles with the same frequency?  

At 3600 rpm, you'd have more to worry about than electromagnetism...

>:The earth's magnetic field doesn't oscillate. 
> i know you are wrong on this one. i admit, it is a SLOW oscillation...

Well, it doesn't oscillate within one person's lifetime...


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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:39:03 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Dec15.174314.27595@newstand.syr.edu>, mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:

|> Symptoms, causes, natural histories, etc. can all be *independently* 
|> discussed in psychiatry.  To assert otherwise is absurd and naive.
|> There are controversies about the validity of some psychiatric 
|> diagnoses; but this in itself demonstrates that it is possible to
|> independently discuss psychiatric disorders. 

It is this kind of "logic" that should cause concerns about the
foundations of the discipline.  One can, in the same way, observe
controversies about diagnoses and treatments by witch doctors and
faith healers.  Nothing much follows from this unless it is desired
to draw an analogy between psychiatry and these fields.

|> Mr. Merrill and other interested netters might consider taking a look
|> at the current issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry, which presents
|> several, methodologically very sound studies of drug-naive (that is,
|> never treated) patients with schizophrenia, describing abnormalities
|> of brain morphology and function (generally confirming the hypothesis
|> of "hypofrontality" in schizophrenia).

It is difficult for me to gain access to journals of this sort, and
our personal subscriptions to JAMA and NEJM were dropped several
years ago.  However, I shortly shall be going on vacation for a
couple of weeks and will likely have the opportunity to follow up
on this.
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec06.093340.21522@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>
>After the 18 week "happy" time, the placebo group started
>regaining weight on the maintenance diet, and would have
>regained all their weight by the end of the year if they had not
>been offered dexfenfluramine.
>
>The dexfenfluramine group continued to lose weight.  As confirmed
>in other papers, dexfenfluramine worked to normalize weight set
>point in the obese, something no diet has ever been shown to do.

So Chuck, have you tried fenfluramine?  I have, and it isn't a panacea.
I admit it does help.  But there are some side effects.  Over the long
term these can be almost as annoying as having to force oneself to stay
on the diet.  My impression of the fenfluramine isn't that it makes you
burn your calories better, but (at least in me) it makes me so I don't have
as much desire to eat and I stop eating sooner and don't snack as much.
It most definitely does not allow me to eat whatever I wanted before
taking it and not gain, it just dulls the stimulus to eat.


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From: stpeters@crd.ge.com (Dick St.Peters)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: stpeters@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate R&D, Schenectady, NY

In article 133@ky3b.UUCP, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
> In article <dnsurber.724007610@node_26400>, dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber) writes:
> |> Your point seems to be that one pound of fat is the equivalent of some
> |> fixed number of calories, thus if one eats so many extra calories, he
> |> will gain so many extra pounds.
> 
> Yup. 3500, if I remember correctly.

Actually, there's a conversion efficiency.  N calories of food intake does
not become N calories of fat.  The efficiency is very high for conversion
of food fat to stored fat, but for food protein or food carbohydrates to
stored fat a significant percentage of the nominal calories is used up in
the conversion process.  I can't remember reliable numbers, and my sources
are back home, but numbers like 90% for fat and 60% for carbohydrates and
proteins come to mind.

I'm pretty sure a pound of human fat has very close to 3600 calories.

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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Falling" Asleep
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:09:48 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec10.080223.512@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>Does anyone know what causes the sensation (when just falling asleep) of sudden
>literal falling, followed by a startle reaction that wakes you right up?
>

It is a myoclonic jerking that originates in the brain.  It is common
to humans and most animals.  It is normal and portends nothing
at all psychologically.




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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: HELP, Have I broken my foot ?
Keywords: HELP
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec8.183116.24180@cbfsb.cb.att.com> fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves) writes:

>I'm neither a doctor nor a wiseguy in saying this:  get yourself to an
>emergency room and have some X-rays done!  If you intend to "give it more
>time", you may be opening yourself to a situation in which the bone may 
>have to be re-broken.  This, as I am given to understand, is not a pleasant
>experience.  Do yourself a favor and have it looked at.
>

Yes, but not in an ER.  Go to your family doc or an orthopedist.
The ER is for emergencies and is too expensive an option for
something like this, which is certainly no emergency, after all
this time.






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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:17:13 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: talk.politics.medicine
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes...
> You are confused about the nature of Canadian medicine.  In contrast to
> the English National Health system, Canadian doctors are _not_ civil
> servants.

They aren't in the UK either; they're legally freelance contractors paid
for specific services (and have been since the NHS's inception).  They are
only state employees in the sense that the CEO of Boeing is.

Try again.

Followups set to the appropriate place.

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From: goshorn@CS.ColoState.EDU (michael goshorn)
Subject: Re: Reasons for my wife's fatigue.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:28:21 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

	Please investigate the cancer potential.  I'm not an MD & don't
mean to alarm you but with family history mentioned & personal experience
I would want to investigate thoroughly.


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From: goshorn@CS.ColoState.EDU (michael goshorn)
Subject: Re: New Migraine Drug???
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:59:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Dec15.012310.2825@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>[reply to goshorn@CS.ColoState.EDU]
> 
>>I am looking for info including patient experience with medication for
>>treatment of cluster headaches.  Currently using verapamil & ergotamine
>>- not terribly effective.
> 
>If they really are cluster headaches (I say this because this is a
>fairly common misdiagnosis), they may respond better to methysergide for
>prophylaxis and oxygen for individual headaches.  Have you seen a
>neurologist about them?
>
>David Nye
>nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Have not seen a neurologist.  Have found verapamil with a fairly
consistent caffiene intake works best.  In all but most severe
headache periods 2 cups of coffee helps control pain within a few
minutes.

Re: Possible caffiene addiction - headache - etc... For years I drank
lots of coffee at work & none at home.  Have had condition for several
years.