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Subject: Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:27:44 -0500
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Greetings,

I have read with great delight the traffic regarding lighting on emergency
vehicles.  Here in Eastern Pa. it is refered to as "Wacker".  I do believe
there are regulations as to the amount and type of visual warning that you may
display. After nearly 18 years in emergency services, I am still amazed at
what is observed out on the street.

I do feel however that greater QA is necessary. I am tired of being run off
the road by some blue light nut risking his and my life to get to an minor
incident.  It is no wonder the public has no clue what to do when an emergency
vehicle is near.

Best wishes to all emergency providers (paid or professional)!!!



Doug Deutsch, Paramedic
Eastern Pa. EMS Region
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Subject:      AlbanyConference (Vital Signs '92)

In response to a couple of recent requests for information on the
Albany conference

Preconference Workshops (Fri Nov 13)
Ambulance Accident Prevention Seminar Instructor Workshop (prerequisites) $50
     (Solomon, Stapleton, Faugh, Guerin, and Elling)
Transportation Rescue (Doug Garretson, Joel Woods, Ron Moore) $50
Evaluating Your EMS System (Jack Stout) $50
Medical Directors Workshop (NY ACEP) $90

Conference Schedule Sat. Nov. 14  (note registration went to $150 effective
     10/31 - it was $80 before 10/1 and $100 before 10/31 - proving the
     importance of preplanning!)
General Sessions:  Emergency Cardiac Care in the 90's - Roger White, MD
     Common Claims and Legal Problems for EMS Providers - Jack Ayers
1st concurrent workshops:  OSHA, Trauma from the Inside Out, Emergency Care
     for Patients with Complex Cardiac Arrhythmias, Beyond EMT-D, Advanced
     Legal Issues
2nd concurrent workshops:   OSHA final rule - update on personal protective
     equipment, Pediatric CPR update, Coronary Thrombolysis, Psychiatric
     Emergencies; and Egos Emergencies Passion Politics and ProblEMS

Sunday Nov 15
General Sessions:
A Committment to Excellence - Mike Taigman
Poisoning: Critical Prehospital Intervention - Mark Henry, MD

1st Concurrent Workshops:  EMS response to Hazmat, OB emergencies, Interactive
Prehospital EMS Case Histories, Milking the EKG, Altered Mental Status

2nd Concurrent Workshops:  all cover impact of Article 30 changes on
various groups involved in EMS.

                           Mike Gilbertson
                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
From: Barbara.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Emer. tapes, etc
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 03:42:00 -0800

 BM>   haven't checked them out yet. Will definitely let ya know.

 DC> Please do, I wait with baited breath for your report!

   Oh oh, :)    Just wrote about this in another message.


 BM>   I'm a trekkie too :)  Ever notice they don't have any
 BM>   Firefighters on board?

 DC> Yes! I have! Although I did hear Mr. Worf report that the
 DC> "Fire Supression System" is down Sir. When they had a flare in
 DC> one of the labs.

   Think I remember a glitch of that one <<<?>>>

 DC> NOT the ST echo, the STTNG echo. There are conferences for
 DC> both. I don't like the Star Trek echo, the moderators don't
 DC> even follow the echo rules. STTNG is moderated by Joe Seigler,
 DC> he is pretty good. Take a look sometime, I go by Darrin, most
 DC> Fido conferences frown on AKA's.

   I'll check it out, thanks!

 DC> Live Long And Prosper;

   You too "Baby Huey"!

                            Love that Spock! My favorite!!!!!

   L8R...*B*

... I hope I did not do anything unbecoming a Starfleet officer.
 * Origin: PowerLine 315-865-4070 Marcy NY (1:2609/7.0)
From: kb2ear@kb2ear.ampr.org (Scott R. Weis KB2EAR)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: PA DOH
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:17:35 GMT
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Could some one please send me the address for the PA DOH.  I would like
to send in for my EMT cert before it's too late. 

Thanks,
--
Scott R. Weis KB2EAR, EMT-A
Inernet:	kb2ear@kb2ear.ampr.org
Packet:		KB2EAR@KB2EAR.NJ.USA
Snail Mail:	10 Palmer Rd., Kendall Park, NJ, 08824-1228
Phone:		+1 908 297 0469
From: Bob.Watson@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Now echoing
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 11:41:00 -0800

The TAO BBS in Mercerville,NJ is now echoing this conference.

PCRelay:TAO -> #1377 RaceNet (tm)
4.11           TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - (609) 587-2672

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOULUNTEER FD AND LIGHTS
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:41:31 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <721553828.F00030@remote.halcyon.com> Chris.Howell@f10.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Howell) writes:
>in texas an emergency vehicle must display red lights to the front and
>have a siren (audible to some distance that escapes me) in order to "be
>exempt" from traffic laws, such as speed limits, maintaing a single lane
>of traffic, red lights, stop signs, ect.


Actually, it's "alternately flashing red lights to the front and rear", and
the distance is 500 feet.
The exemptions read almost identically to the ones posted for New York here
recently.

>volunteer firefighters/ems personnel answering an alarm are
>considered emergency vehicles.

So, for some reason, are blood bank vehicles...
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:43:10 EDT
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Subject: Vital Signs Conference / ALS Levels of Certification

l emsny-l
                           Mike Gilbertson
                           (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
*** Forwarding note from MAILER  --ALBNYDH2 11/06/92 10:52 ***
A recent post from Shreyas (I erased the e-mail address accidently while
editing) says:
BM>    3's have been intubating here since at least 85, maybe
BM> 84.
BM>    Intermediates are intubating now, not sure when
BM> they
BM>    started, but it's been at least a year ago.
BM>    When I took the 3, they didn't recognize PM level

I stand corrected, I spoke to a couple of other 3's and they informed me

that they have in fact been intubating for quite some time. It was the
intermediates that have been upgrading lately. They are just begining to

recognize the level 4's out in Nassau & Suffolk. Most of the guys tell
me
it's primarily a liability thing where most of the vol fire depts don't
want
the added responsibility. Supposedly the counties are finally getting
things
together and setting up protocols. Right now the 4's have to work as 3's
with
a few minor differences. You're right, NYS is really screwed up! How
hard
could it be to admin the same level of care (or at least recognize all
the
levels) uniformly throughout the state.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Answer: very hard if you really believe in medical control!  Medical
control means effectively that a doc is responsible for the medical
activities of the people practicing under his/her license, so that doc
(or more commonly group of docs) needs to be able to decide which
levels of training are most appropriate to operate under his/her
license.

Intubation used to be optional in the critical care curriculum.  No more!
It is now mandatory for all levels of certification; sort of a sneaky
way to push the system towards standardization.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BM>    I heard about the wild times there, was beginning to
BM>    wonder if it was all just a big party, or if old
BM> married
BM>    folks like me ;-) could/would benefit from going
BM> for
BM>    actual EMS stuff. <g>!!!

As much of a good time we had there was a lot of things to learn. (Like
to
stop drinking at 6 am....just kidding!) It should be great for you
coming
back into the system. Personally I thought they could have made it
longer
(more classes/days) but I guess it's just not practical.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It would also make it more costly, since good speakers don't come for
free.

BTW, I'm sure the drinking comment was in jest, but I want to point out
that the only way for any (paid or volunteer) EMS provider to get
respect as a professional is to act like one.......which obviously
does not include raising one's ETOH level above .08!

Have a great time at Vital Signs and look me up . . .  I'll buy you
a soda!
From: Dean.Tabor@f709.n7301.z8.fidonet.org (Dean Tabor)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: re: (Going thru Intx)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:23:01 -0800

-=> Eddie Ferguson said something about What is policy for drivin to Jim
Malkowski   <=-

 > Thankyou, This is what I was wondering. Not so much
 > the lights, but what do you do upon coming to a Red
 > light, Even in a green light you go with caution, but
 > should you wait at the Red? items like that...

 EF> important when there are many cars at the intersection. Personally,
I
 EF> stop and wait long enough until I feel sure that every vehicle has
 EF> heard my siren and has seen my lights and then I slowly proceed.
Even

Try LOOKING AT THE PERSON that looks like they are unsure what to do...
making eye contact with someone establishes a "link" and forces home
the
fact that you're not a pretty Christmas decoration rolling down the
road...

Works for me...

~Dean Tabor
~FF/EMT-3/Etc.
~Chena Goldstream Fire and Rescue
~Fairbanks, Alaska


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From: fireman@wam.umd.edu (Aaron Joseph Peterson)
Subject: Re: Cisd
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
 To me, the CISD was just a re-hash of incidents which I had already put behind
 This is not to say that CISD isn't usefull, I had several friends who seem to
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:00:40 GMT

Aaron Peterson fireman@wam.umd.edu
(I know my spelling is horrendous.)

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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:11:54 EST
From:         "(Thomas Leber)" <leber@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM>
Subject:      Philly

TL> As it is though, it is amazing that a city the size of Philly has less
TL> than 30 ambulances ('Medic' units). Think about it...What other major city
TL> has so few units for the population served?

WBF> The City of New Orleans Health Department operates 8 ambulances and one
WBF> light rescue unit in a 911 service.  They have more units, but that is
WBF> all that you will find staffed and on the road at any one time.
WBF> I don't know how big Phillys population is, but 8 units/
WBF> 500,000 population seems to be cutting it pretty close to me.

RMcC> Baltimore has 18 ALS units serving a population of approx. 750,000 with
RMcC> daytime population that probably swells due to commuters coming in to work

Philly has 25 'Medic' units (20 ALS/5 BLS) in the EMS divsion of the fire dept.

The 1980 census figures are: Philly      1,688,210
                             Baltimore     786,775
                             New Orleans   557,515

 That would put the ratios at:

                Baltimore:    1 unit per 43709 residents
                Philadelphia: 1 unit per 67528 residents
                New Orleans:  1 unit per 69689 residents

So New Orleans currently seems to have the unpleasant edge in the figures,
although the picture is obviously more complex than simple units-per-capita.
And as Bob points out, daytime population can (and often does) diverge
widely from the the census figures. Also, these population figures are
12 years old.

Philly is trying to cope better by equipping most engine companies as First
Responder units, with automatic defibrillators.

----------------------
Tom Leber <leber@panther.warm.inmet.com> Intermetrics, Inc. Warminster PA
            "Right Now, time is having it's way with you."
From: Jim.Macaluso@f251.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Macaluso)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Phoograpers on scene.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 00:54:00 -0800

->      This discussion is so interesting,  but might I interject yet
->
-> another point of view.  I am  a FF, FR-D for a rural Iowa heavy
-> rescue unit (vol.) . I am also a self employed commercial
-> photographer.  I've been a photographer for 15 years and just
-> turned 31.  I started as a newspaper photog. in high school and was
-> present at several scenes.  There were others who photographed
-> accidents for the paper, and I remember some pics of a doa a guy
-> had taken. Neither the photo editor or any of the other
-> photographers apporved of this guys shots (& we let him know).
->
->   The point is  some photogs might
-> not show appropriate behavior at a scene. That is a problem with an
-> individual photographer not photographers in general. You know....
-> kind of like the paramedic that gave all you EMT-Ps such a bad name.
->
-> A good photog should exhibit certain standards of conduct at a
-> scene.
->          Ask permission when working near the action area.
->             {from someone not working with the patient}
->          Ask about any scene hazards I should know about (wires
ect.)
->          Ask where I can shoot from to stay out of rescuers way.
->              (All these can work for you  &  the reponders)
->   These are a few of the things a good photog will do to help you
-> and  help protect himself.  In 1992 you are as likely to get sued
-> as a photographer on a scene for obstructing, as you are as a
-> responder for care administration. A photographer on a scene has
-> to consider his personal liability for his actions there.
-> The courts have proven that civil suits often have far removed
-> defendants.  Just one more reason to stay out of the way.
->
->

->        Mail 2.10 #0:You're only as good as your last run.
->
-> --- Maximus/2 2.01wb
->  * Origin: Alternatives (1:290/4)

I agree there on the point if you act like a pro. you will get alot
more
done then if you just plow your way into the scene with the attitude
"I have the right to do what i want" you might not be takeing pictures
for awile.

I know of a fire call we had in Groveland, N.Y. where the whole faimly
didnt make it out and come to find out it was a shooting + fire
suicide.
and the reporter that were there didnt give a hoot and were there for
just the pictures and my brother almost got into fist fight with a
camera man when he told the camera man to turn off the camera and
remove
himself from the scean till the investagatin was complete.

this is a very good topic and maybe with a little luck a few people
from
both side can learn to work together with a lot less conflict.

chat with you later on the mail roll around......JIM


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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:09:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: FIRE.GIFS

I noticed that someone has some gif files??? I'd be interested in getting
some.  You said that you had fire.gifs, but would you happen to have any
ambulance or ems gif files??

Marc Hodosh
mhodosh1@ithaca
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:34:11 EST
From:         "(Thomas Leber)" <leber@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM>
Subject:      Re: GREETINGS!

Hank Przybylowicz writes:

HP> Incidentally, I've been watching the "Emergency" trivia quiz going on
HP> here and found it very interesting. Here's another one;
HP> does anyone remember a show called "Rescue 8?" If so, what were the 2
HP> main character's first names and what were their real names?
HP>   I'll be watchin'.

Well, let me look up at the screen here: Jim Davis and Lang Jeffries were
the two stars. Their characters were Wes Cameron and Skip Johnson.
I vaguely remembered this series from my early childhood, and thought I had
just imagined it until I saw it mentioned in a TV book. An article in
Fire(House/Engineering, I forget which) recently mentioned it, too.

Then I noticed that the Nostalgia channel was rerunning it weekdays. Our
cable system doesn't carry it, but I had my mother-in-law tape a few
episodes.

It's interesting to watch and see how much has changed about rescue, and how
much is still pretty much the same.

Tom
---------------------------
Tom Leber <leber@panther.warm.inmet.com> Intermetrics, Inc. Warminster PA
 FF/VRT, Wyndmoor Hose Co. No. 1 - Springfield Twp. Montgomery Cty. PA
           "Right Now, time is having it's way with you."
From: Brian.Matlock@p2.f54.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Matlock)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: SOFTWARE
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 14:53:00 -0800

On Oct 28, Shreyas Shah wrote: 
 SS> that I call, it is not the one I was calling from at the time. It
is 
 SS> however a Fidonet BBS and part of FireNet. Try calling directly 
 SS> first at the 212 number above (in the quote). Hope that clears 

Partially.  I need the FidoNet address (net/node number).

Thanks,
Brian 

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From: Dave.Pfister@f702.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Pfister)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PRIVATE MESSAGES
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 12:17:25 -0800

Amen.

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From: Blynn.Mueller@f302.n10.z1.fidonet.org (Blynn Mueller)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Ham operators
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 11:35:00 -0800

Is anyone on this echo using ham operators for communications support
on
emergency incidents. If so I'd like to hear from you to exchange
thoughts and ideas on the subject.


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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Bus Accident in NY
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:22:00 -0800

Tramau,
        I read your message about he bus acceident.  It was with City of
Rochester Quint 3. The outcome of the investigation was both Drivers
were responsible for the acciden.  No one was charged to my knowledge.


           George Vaisey
PS: I live out side the city and am an Explorer in LakeShore FD

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From: Gary.Saffer@f290.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Saffer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Phoograpers On Scene.
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 03:38:00 -0800

BW}we were called to an ETOH illness in a dorm at approx 2300.  We
arrived on
  }scene to find a female vommitting/dry heaving and slipping in and out
of
  }coherence.  There were 3-4 friends in the room including the RA, all
telling
  }her to go to the hospital.  She didn't want to.  After about 20
minutes of
  }arguing, she finally agreed to go, then changed her mind 5 minutes
later
  }(before we could get her into the stair-chair.  Then, the Hall
Director
  }came up (at the request of the RA) and joined in on the "fun". 
Finally,
  }after about 45 mins of this enjoyment, we called for one of our
Campus
  }Police Officers (also an EMT) for advice.  He wasn't available, but
the
  }Lt. on-duty came over, and ordered us to take her.  Well, needless
  }to say, no one (us, the pt, the hospital) was very happy that night,
  }and the hospital released her 5 mins after we arrived because she
refused
  }treatment (and the Lt. did not arrest her).

Bill,

I missed what state you work in. But, I wonder if the implied consent
doctrine would apply. If this patient were as drunk as you imply then
there is some question as to whether she could make a rational decision
whether or not to go.

I hate to criticize when I am not involved in a case, but 45 minutes on
scene seems a bit long. The Lt. was right to order you to take this
person, the liability of leaving her is too great to do otherwise.

It also seems that the hospital risk management people would go
ballistic if they knew that this person was allowed to leave. In Boston
at most of the hospitals if we bring someone in with an ETOH level
above
100 then they stay until they are sober enough to make a rational
decision to leave.

 BW}If someone doesn't comply with our order to leave, usually the
 threat }of the cops is enough to drive them away (gee, I wonder
 why???????)

If they are smart they will. However I have heard more than one person
say to a cop "You ain't got the B***s to lock me up, pig", followed by
the inevitable of course.

All in all, when in doubt transport. Remember, no good has ever come
from a conversation that starts, "Remember that patient you turfed the
other night?"

Later

Gary

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From: Darrin.Culver@f53.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Darrin Culver)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: AFA training..
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 13:39:00 -0800

DD>for the Health Center/Public Safety. I am looking into getting my AFA
in
DD>January, but from what I read earlier, it may not be such a good
idea. My
DD>goal is to work with an Ambulance company this summer, but I'm not
sure
DD>what level of training is yet required <I had a friend last year have
only
DD>standard and he ran ambulance>

        I would suggest taking either a Certified First Responder class
        or a EMT Class. The EMT Class would be more beneficial but in
my
        opinion CFR is the bare minimum to run with a rescue squad.
        Check with the squad that you intend to join and see what their
        requirments are. Good Luck.

                                                        Later;

                                                        Baby Huey


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From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Phoograpers on scene.
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:18:38 GMT

zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>In article <721252273.F00039@remote.halcyon.com>, James.Campbell@f145.n150.z1.fidonet.org (James Campbell) writes:
->  for the 2nd time, they were escorted back the first time by a state
->  tooper.

>The trick is to NOT escort out their gear. :-) If its in a DEEP puddle or
>a pool of mud, well, thats their problem...

Locally, a fire department was sued by a TV station because they broke an
expensive camera while decontaminating it (the cameraman took it into the
hot zone at a hazmat).  In California (well, locally at least) accredited
news personnel can go anywhere they want at an incident -- even into the
hot zone of a hazmat.  Once there, of course, they are subject to proper
decontamination procedures.  On the other hand, there is a Public Information
Officer (PIO) at all major incidents specifically to keep the press out of
the way of the workers, if possible.
-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)