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From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
Subject: Re: Space suit research?
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-From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
-Subject: Re: Space suit research???
-Date: 11 Nov 92 21:27:59 GMT

-Advanced spacesuit research is basically stalled for lack of funding.
-A high-pressure suit (probably 8psi or so rather than full normal
-pressure -- most people can take a certain amount of pressure change
-without much risk of the bends) was planned for the space station but
-scuttled by funding cuts.  It would still be useful, because prebreathing
-greatly increases the time needed for a spacewalk.

In the NASA Select coverage of a Shuttle mission (this year, I think) in which
EVAs were used, I believe the commentator remarked that with something other 
than the usual pre-EVA cabin depressurization, only about half an hour of
EVA pre-breathe was required. I considered that to be an astounding
statement, but I never heard any followup. (I'm pretty sure that the mission
was STS-49, and the cabin pressure was 10.2 psi.)

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov

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From: brettvs@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brett Vansteenwyk)
Subject: Re: First Saturn 5 Launch - 25 Years Ago Today
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:58:21 GMT

Spectacular launch, I remember it well even though I was 9.  The broadcaster
had to leave his chair to help hold the window in and there was a huge pad
fire afterwards.  It seemed that these partucular problems were solved by
the second launch.
			--Brett Van Steenwyk

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From: pgf@srl05.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: Obscure Help  Needed
Organization: University of SW Louisiana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.013658.6395@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:

	   An embarrassing request: my  HP died and I discover I cannot
   remember how to  do logs with a slide-rule,  nor  can I find my sr-related
   texts. Clearly, I am  senile. Anyone out  there recall how  the damn  things
   work?

Hell, I would like to find out where to get a slide rule for when
my calculator breaks...




--
Phil Fraering
In the country of the blind....
60 minutes doesn't run stories about people trying to ban hearing
implants!
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From: amon@elegabalus.cs.qub.ac.uk
Subject: Man in the loop
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:01:31 GMT

I was reading through "The Home Planet" last night and thought this  
quote might be of general interest:

	"For seven long days, working both during the day-side parts
	 of the orbit and by flashlight, we tried to find out what
	 was causing the solar panels to fail. We wanted to get at 

	 least one bulb to light. Finally, we found the culprits when
	 we checked all the storage batteries.

	 Two of them had gone out of commission. We undid the thickly
	 plaited cabling and connected the solar panels directly so 

	 they always faced the sun. The batteries began to recharge
	 and finally there was light.

	 Automation is indeed a wonderful thing, but in the end
	 humanity has the last word."	 - Cosmonaut Viktor Savinykh
From: samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: the Happyface on Mars
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:45:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: bucket.samw.720996345
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x

Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>According to _Flying Saucers - Serious Business_, by Frank Edwards, a
>face was detected in a visual representation of radio signals from Mars.
>The signals were recorded by C. F. Jenkins in 1924. Then, years later,
>we get the face from a space probe. 
 
So much for that authoritative work.  Jenkins was sounding the
newly-discovered ionosphere I believe, and got some anomalously
long-delayed echoes.  Nuch later someone fitted the frequency-
delay plot to a map of some nearby stars, but I don't think
there was ever a connection with Mars.  I don't know that his
equipment was directional enough, or the frequencies high enough,
to have done so anyway.  Odds are it was the magnetosphere.  ;-)

-- 
 
samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden) -- and not a mere Device.
 
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From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu ("Phil G. Fraering")
Subject: Re: Interesting text on UFO's.
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That's it. The last straw. I will no longer refrain from posting
interesting multimedia/graphics files to sci.space. If it
can hold megabytes upon megabytes of bullshit from William
Cooper, it can put up with smaller files that are more
pertinent and truthful.

Phil
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From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: Dyson Spheres
Organization: University of SW Louisiana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:09:25 GMT
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In article <ida.721202076@atomic> ida@atomic (David Goldschmidt) writes:

>Does anybody know the relationship between the ecliptic of our solar system
>and the Milky Way?

Go out and look. Two planets, or a planet and the moon, can be used to 
draw a line roughly showing the plain of the ecliptic.

And the plane of the milky way seems pretty obvious...

>Dave Patterson, guest on this account.

--
Phil Fraering

We'll not fade out too soon
Not in this finest hour
Whistle your favorite tune
We'll send a card and flower, saying "It's a mistake!"
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From: kneuper@chpc.utexas.edu (Stephen Kneuper)
Subject: date for geminid meteor shower?
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:28:34 GMT

I was planning to watch the Geminid meteor shower this year but I'm
not sure what date I should plan for.

In the "stardate" publication put out by Univ Texas McDonald
Observatory, they metion the peak as 12 December...

In the space calendar, it mentions 14 December...

Any suggestions?  I know less than nothing about such events, I
thought I would start educating myself.  Should I watch in the evening
or morning?


-- 
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From: jechilde@unccsun.uncc.edu (Jr Childers)
Subject: Re: Lunar "colony" reality check
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:21:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.222130.8652@infodev.cam.ac.uk> sl25@cus.cam.ac.uk (Steve Linton) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.143433.18514@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
>|> From article <1992Nov11.005151.15358@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>, by jenkins@fritz (Steve Jenkins):
>|> > 
>|> > Oxygen, like many gases, has narcotic effects at very high pressures,
>|> > such as in deep-sea diving.  It can cause blindness in newborns
>|> > 
>|> 
>|> Yes to blindness in newborns, but it is the *nitrogen* that has the narcotic
>|> effect in deep sea diving -- hence the use of helium for the really really
>|> deep dives.
>
>Oxygen causes drunkenness-like symptoms above around 2atm. Any inert gas (except

According to my scuba text books O2 causes death at a partial pressure of 
2atm not narcosis!  Nitrogen begins causing narcosis at a pressures of about 
4-5atm.

>helium, which I'll come back to) causes narcosis (anaesthesia) at sufficient
>partial pressure. Roughly, the larger the molecule, the lower the pressure
>needed. For nitrogen it's about 10atm, for ether or chloroform, less than 1.


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From: jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs)
Subject: Re: Pioneer 6 Update - 11/11/92
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:43:47 GMT

From article <1992Nov11.170839.20313@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, by baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke):
> 
>      Pioneer 6 was launched on December 16, 1965 and is the oldest surviving
> spacecraft.  Pioneer 6 was last supported on December 16, 1990, on the
> 25th anniversary of its launch, and no problems were encountered then.

Where is Pioneer 6 now?  Is that the one that passed Pluto's orbit some
time back?  How far has it gotten?  [I'm out of touch with space stuff
since I gave up sci-fi]

-John D. Boggs     uunet!erato!jdb
From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: HST
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:31:28 GMT
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-From: gawne@stsci.edu
-Subject: Re: Hubble's mirror  or Really Costar.
-Date: 6 Nov 92 16:56:38 GMT
-Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

-...Interestingly, we use the Earth as a flat field source
-all the time with the FGS's paused.  WFPC doesn't mind a bit.

-Also, we don't close the aperture door under normal operations.  It only
-closes in a deep safe mode.

I gather from this that earthlight doesn't damage the sensors - it's just
too bright for the gathering of useful information. That's impressive -
sunlight on clouds is pretty bright.

That also answers my question on what HST does when its view is eclipsed
by the Earth - it just stops collecting data, and the aperture door doesn't
have to close.

-As for an annoying problem, the South Atlantic Anomaly and flapping of
-the solar arrays give a lot more headaches around here than solar avoidance.

--Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute

Do you know whether replacement of the onboard computer with a more powerful
model is scheduled for the upcoming service mission?

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
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From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Obscure Help  Needed
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:36:58 GMT




	An embarrassing request: my  HP died and I discover I cannot
remember how to  do logs with a slide-rule,  nor  can I find my sr-related
texts. Clearly, I am  senile. Anyone out  there recall how  the damn  things
work?

							James Nicoll
From: willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Man in space ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:46:12 GMT
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Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


In article <1992Nov5.062650.20243@ils.nwu.edu>, eric@ils.nwu.edu
(Eric Goldstein) writes: 
> The claim was that, in case of rapid decompression, a
> human had 14 seconds to [respond]  ...you would
> be incapable of taking whatever actions were necessary to save your life
> after 14 seconds.

In altitude chamber training, we were given figures of 90 seconds of
useful consciousness at 30,000 feet, 30 seconds at 40,000 feet, and 5
seconds at 45,000 feet.  We all tried the first experiment, and the
time seemed about right with considerable individual variation.  I'm
happy to report that we did not try the other two experiments.

Perhaps the figure of 14 seconds refers to individuals (astronauts)
selected for tolerance to hypoxia, or perhaps the time we were told
was deliberately conservative.
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From: pgf@srl05.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: Lunar "colony" reality check
Organization: University of SW Louisiana
	<1992Nov11.143433.18514@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:01:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.143433.18514@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jboggs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:

>From article <1992Nov11.005151.15358@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>, by jenkins@fritz (Steve Jenkins):
>> 
>> Oxygen, like many gases, has narcotic effects at very high pressures,
>> such as in deep-sea diving.  It can cause blindness in newborns
>> 

>Yes to blindness in newborns, but it is the *nitrogen* that has the narcotic
>effect in deep sea diving -- hence the use of helium for the really really
>deep dives.

>Trust me, I'm a librarian.

_MAYBE_ to blindness in newborns. There are anti-blindness drugs
that apparently sometimes work and have been used on newborns who
are born with lung disorders and need pure oxygen in their first
weeks of life.

I personally ;-) know of _one_ case...

--
Phil Fraering
In the country of the blind....
60 minutes doesn't run stories about people trying to ban hearing
implants!
From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: newsgroups
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:51:31 GMT
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-From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
-Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.sci.planetary
-Subject: Edit your newsgroup header, please  was Re: Lunar "colony" reality check and Apollo fire
-Date: 11 Nov 92 05:46:46 GMT
-Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

-There is no reason to have a thread going exactly and totally into two 
-different newsgroups. If you see this happening, please edit your headers 
-so we can limit the thread to one group or the other.

Keeping the non-planetary stuff out of alt.sci.planetary is good, but
please don't try to keep the planetary stuff out of sci.space/SPACE Digest.

Any progress on setting up a gateway?

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: gloves in space
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:43:00 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <Bx9tw3.EzH.1@cs.cmu.edu| rborden@ra.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes:

|	A better idea might be to cast a glove from heat shrink plastic.
|It would be just large enough for an astronaut to fit his hand into.
|The cuff of the glove would have a seal to attach it to the sleave of his
|suit.  After fitting it on, he would gently heat the glove to form it to
|his hand.
|	It should provide a few atmospheres, enough to prevent damage.
                            ^^^
One atmosphere is all we need.


-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
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From: cfifer@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Craig Fifer)
Subject: Re: Looking for FTP site to get pictures
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:37:12 GMT

Look under ames.arc.nasa.gov under /GIF and /SPACE/GIF or
telnet to spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov and, at the main menu type g
for go to and then GIF.  Be patient with Spacelink, for it can
be very slowuous at times :).

-Craig Fifer
cfifer@rvgs.vak12ed.edu
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From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
Subject: Re: N-1 giant Moon rocket photo in *AvLeak*
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Constance
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:35:33 GMT

higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:

>The new 9 November issue of *Aviation Week* just hit my mailbox.  On
>page 65 is a nice photograph of the Soviet N-1 rocket on its pad with
>service tower.   The N-1 was the "Soviet Saturn V," the BIG rocket
>whose failure doomed their manned lunar landing program.

Can someone make it a .GIF and upload on a ftp server ?
--
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Hubble's mirror  or Really Costar.
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Distribution: sci,na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.115638.1@stsci.edu> gawne@stsci.edu writes:
] As for an annoying problem, the South Atlantic Anomaly and flapping of
] the solar arrays give a lot more headaches around here than solar avoidance.
] 
] -Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute

What is the South Atlantic Anomaly?

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Xref: sparky sci.space:15601 alt.conspiracy:12082
From: gregn@coombs.anu.edu.au (Gregory Newton)
Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:13:29 GMT
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Keywords: Ten Embarrassing Questions about the Moon

sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley) writes:

>In article <4603@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>>   there is a solid pillar of iron of unknown age  near  New  Delhi  ,India,
>>   that has never rusted ,and no one knows why .

>This is a popular myth promoted by Van Daniken.  The pillar does indeed
>rust.  It is regularly cleaned of said rust.  End of mystery.

	He also gets the place wrong and some of the the Von Daniken
follows claim (and i've heard but can't verify von Daniken) that it is 
made of "a strange alloy unkown to earth" and is "welded together".
	It apparently was built as a monument to a prince of some sort
where von Daniken claims it's origen is unknown.

	Von Daniken also make a lot of dishonest (or _extremely_ ignorant)
claims about a lot of other quite mundane objects from all over the
world. Someone has compiled a list of such and it is included as part
of a book whose name and author I can't remember. The title had
something like "unexplained mysteries" in it and I think it was published
by Readers Digest. There is a more complete list somewhere else but
I can't remember even vague details about it. There might be a reference
to it in the fisrt.

ObConspiracy(quite possibly true): Von Daniken wrote a lot of crap with
evidence he made up in order to sell books (to the gulible) and make
himself very rich.


	- Cloud (Greg N)

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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:47:26 GMT
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us wrote:
>    In   message-ID:  <3NOV199209041648@judy.uh.edu>  Dennis,  University  of
>       Alabama in Huntsville comments :
> 
>  > Henry can probably provide the numbers.
> 
>    Who's Henry?
> 
Nothing could more clearly demonstrate Attention Deficit Syndrome.
Try reading something other than your own postings for a while.

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From: hillig@U.Chem.LSA.UMich.EDU (Kurt Hillig)
Subject: Re: clarke's law
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 18:14:32 EST
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov4.220319.29777@cs.ucf.edu> clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) writes:

>Someone recently posted Clarke's law.  The one about
>if a senior scientist says possible he's probably right,
>if he says impossible he's probably wrong.
>
>Could you e-mail me the exact quotation?  I need to cite it
>in a paper and don't want to go digging in the library.
>
>Thanks.
>--
>Thomas Clarke
>Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
>12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
>(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
>
>no relation

Funny, the one I learned as "Clarke's Law" is:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-- 
Kurt Hillig
Dept. of Chemistry                     khillig@umich.edu
University of Michigan           Telephone (313)747-2867
Ann Arbor, MI  48109-1055      hillig@chem.lsa.umich.edu
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From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
Subject: Coverup - gravity doesn't exist?
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-From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
-Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
-Date: 5 Nov 92 18:24:25 GMT
-Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech

-Ah, but have you personally verified Newton's Law of Gravitation?  After
-all, who do you think started this whole conspiracy?  Can any of us say
-that we really knew Isaac Newton?  

*I* haven't, but my roommate in college did. He was a pretty honest fellow,
so I expect he was telling the truth about the results.

There's an apple tree on the NIST grounds that's a direct descendant of the 
tree Isaac Newton was sitting under when he thought up the laws of gravitation.
I suppose we could set up a video camera and determine whether there's 
anything unusual about the trajectory of the apples falling from that 
particular tree. If they just float in midair or gently drift to the ground,
then there's reason to suspect that Isaac made the whole thing up.

:-)

John Roberts
roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov

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