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Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 14:01:28 EST
From: Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Praise Raves...

Hold on a second here -- I'm confused (I've always got some excuse).
There's been a lot of debate on whether or not there should be
Christian raves.  I think, Why not?  But my question is whether
there ever _have_ been Christian raves?  And if so, would someone
who attended it kindly post a review of what it was like, in
detail.  THANKS.

The Holiday Network.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: Re: Praise Raves...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:02:35 GMT

In article <CTDONATH.92Dec18123115@dodo.syr.EDU> ctdonath@dodo.syr.EDU (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.191432.28213@news.ysu.edu> ah431@yfn.ysu.edu (Evan P. Roth) writes:

>There are many people who gather together _outside_ the realm of "organized
>religion" to share the joy felt in recongizing & worshiping God and learning
>more about Him. Frequently this "sharing" involves music, and sometimes 
>dancing. Some of us get tired of singing quaint choruses and would like to
>express/experience the joy of our religion at 150bpm with kilowatt sound
>systems and lasers: i.e., a "Christian Rave".

And, yeah, I think this country would be a better place if
Christians started dancing more.  I hit a Catholic midnight 
christmass mass tonight, and it was pretty and all, but I'm thinking
"what kind of solstice celebration is this?  Jesus is this bread stuff?
 Not!"  And comparing this to the Solstice Feast I went to last week,
where everybody got up and started doing a medieval fertility dance
to the beating drums, I could almost hear strings of "james brown
is dead."
>>>You hit it on the head there - Joy. That's the word. Ever heard of
>>>religious ecstasy? Ever expreienced it? It's like the biggest body
>>>rush you've EVER had on grams of whizz. And it's FREE.

Yeah, I get this from raves.  My fellow technopagans often
turn on a portable HeNe laser, point it at the ceiling, and 
the beam becomes a red maypole we all dance around to the
thumping beat.

Watch out though, just because you're on endogenous opiates, and
not some externally applied drug, don't think that religious
rapture can't lead you as far away from reality as any usual
drug can...

>>who else on alt.raves thinks religion and raves should or
>>can be linked together??
>Obviously I do. Those of you who are interested in a "Christian rave", 
>e-mail me. Let's do one.

I can actually comprehend Christian techno...grab some samples
from J.C. Superstar, Life of brian, Kenneth Copeland, etc.
Go for it!  

Hey, actually, where does that "hey poor, you don't have to be
poor any more!" sample come from?

-Thomas
 resident technoshaman
 blissfully serving the Mistress of Technology,
  and the Goddess of Nature

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: O Fortuna are there words ?
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:20:29 GMT

In article <C06u9F.9A5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064qpfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher S. D'Arrigo) writes:
>
>    Hello everyone, 
>
>       I have been listening to O Fortuna (Apocalypse Chorus Mix) by 
>     APOTHEOSIS and was wondering if anyone out there knew if first of 
>     all the words being chanted were in English and second of all if 
>     anyone could post the words or direct me to a source who could get
>     me the words to this song. Any help would be greatly appreciated ! 

Nope. They're in Latin. For the text being sampled, grab a copy of Carl Orff's
_Carmina Burana_ score, available at your basic university music library, and
sit down with a recording of the _actual_ piece and have a listen to the
opening section.

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)



Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:30:25 PST

In article <1992Dec29.154926.3009@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, on 29 Dec 92 15:49:26 -0600,
drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:

>
>
>
>can I get a FAQ for this news group?
>
>I have a few questions LIKE:
>
>o   what *is* a rave?
>    (to tell the truth, it sounds like a bastardization of an acid test.)
>
>o   why have the name "rave", why not just call it a big party?
>    (sorry if the question sounds cheesie --- so does "rave")
>
>o   Is the music limited to techno billion BPM disco new/wave/age/noise....
>    (read "why couldn't you call a grateful dead concert a 'rave'"?)
>
Well Danny, its kinda like why don't they call operas concerts? or
a symphony a band, its just because its different. Things are named
different things because they are different.
From: freeman-elisabeth@cs.yale.edu (Elisabeth Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: 777 sample?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:14:57 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: teddy.systemsy.cs.yale.edu

There is a sample in the "sunburst" track on the 777 cd, with words
"only you".  Does anyone know what this sample is?

Thanks,

Beth

p.s. Please send email

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: rave?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:44:18 GMT

drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
 
>o   what *is* a rave?
 
A store at the mall, or a brand of shampoo--depends how you look at it.
 
>    (to tell the truth, it sounds like a bastardization of an acid test.)
>
>o   why have the name "rave", why not just call it a big party?
 
Becuz then we couldn't disagree as to what a "real rave (tm)" is.
 
>    (sorry if the question sounds cheesie --- so does "rave")
 
I take mine with pepperoni, green peppers and extra sauce, please.
 
>o   Is the music limited to techno billion BPM disco new/wave/age/noise....
>    (read "why couldn't you call a grateful dead concert a 'rave'"?)
 
I think the only thing I'd rather avoid more than a rave would be a
Grateful Dead concert, so I'll pass on the parenthetical part....
Out of the 50 or so persons who responded to my informal survey of this
newsgroup, only a handful expressed disinterest in Techno, and I think just
one person expressed outright disdain for it.
Apparently, the music played at raves is in a state of evolution--the raves
of tomorrow may indeed not have any Techno, but it'll probably be a while
before all of the musics you mention are excluded from a rave.
For someone like me whose gut feeling tells him that there should be a
seperate newsgroup for Techno, this ultimate seperation of raves and Techno
is a good thing. I fully sympathize with the skeptical tone I hear.
 
>please don't get (that) mad, I'm just trying to provoke a good description.
>I noticed tears dripping off my screen when I read the replies to the
>sassy article, and I wouldn't want to get all of the "love" people throwing
>rock's at *me*, (if you are going to paint a bulls eye that large, you
>have to expect someone to shoot at it.  :)
 
I've been living at ground zero for a while.
Hey, everyone who actually wants to write to Sassy should GET A LIFE!
Yeah, right: I just *know* you all want the readers of Sassy to know
ALL ABOUT RAVES and know the difference between underground and legit etc.,
and then they can just start attending them in droves until the scene
is SOAKED TO THE GILLS with Sassy-heads who really understand the true
spirit of unity and brotherhood! Then you can complain about how the
media has killed the rave scene becuz they've accurately informed everyone
about rave which led to it becoming overrun.
 
>no really, I'm just wondering, they do sound interesting.
 
Sorry, I can't help you there.
 
>-- Danny
 
--Eric
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  "It's that constant beat; that 'boom, boom, boom!'
Detroit, Michigan  USA         I get hyped, I get into it, and when the
                                     breaks come . . . I scream!" :)
 
"A combination of hard beats and computerized mixing"
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: SASSY rave article
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:01:40 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-29-92 20:52
> <article killed>

I appreciate the address... this deserves some heavy feedback to the 
author of this story.  The one-sided viewpoint in the article is 
both unfair to the rave scene, and unprofessional journalism (although 
what can you expect from media today?)

rev (greg.ipp@rose.com)

...I guess I better kill my Sassy subscription today.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jjeffers@lust.reed.edu (Jemiah Levon Jefferson)
Subject: Re: Praise Raves...
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:19:14 GMT


> > You want to experience real love and joy? Find a group of real
> > Christians. You want joyous enthusiasm? Try a Praise Rave. 


this frightens me.

eeyore (jjeffers@reed.edu)
open the door, sit in the seat, turn the key and go.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bchang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Chang)
Subject: thee infinite beat
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 06:02:56 GMT


i got Beyond thee infinite beat, the remixes of PTV's In search of...
is it worth it to go looking for In search of...?   some remix stuff i
hear is very very similar to the original, so i was just curious..
also i notice Genesis P-Orridge is the vocalist...i take it In search Of
has words because the remixes don't.
Note-listen to Horror House and Money for E... at 33.  trance.

ben
From: ssouther@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (P. Sterling Southern)
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: tomato fruitworm follow-up
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:15:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Originator: ssouther@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu

In response to the recent postings on the tomato fruitworms in
Texas, a couple of minor corrections are offered (us technical types get
hung up on details you know).

The corn earworm, cotton bollworm and tomato fruitworm are indeed
all the same species - Helicoverpa zea.  The tobacco budworm is the
closely related Helicoverpa virescens.  Both H. zea and H. virescens can
occur on tomato and as the two species are hard to tell from one another
its a real question which one (or both) is the culprit here.  The local
extension service can probably get you an ID if its important to
you.

If H. zea is the problem, separating corn and tomatoes might be
somewhat helpful (H. virescens doesn't attack corn).  Be aware, however,
that the Helicoverpa moths can fly miles between egg-laying sessions and
that, depending on crop stage, the corn may actually act as a trap crop
being more attractive for oviposition than the tomatoes.  (Silking corn
is highly attractive.)

Bacillus thuringiensis is effective against either species.  It is
as was pointed out, sold as Dipel (also Javelin, Biobit, MVP and many
others).  It must be ingested to be effective, so putting it where
the larvae are is important.

Speaking of coverage, insecticidal soaps are relatively effective
against aphids or whiteflies.  Since their control is physical,
that is they must pretty well cover the insect to work, good coverage of
the plant using a fine misting spray will give best control.  I would
also say that they will work best when its hot and dry, but in Texas
that's not likely to be a problem.  Its always wise to check one plant for
possible phytotoxicity before treating the whole crop (or the other
plant, as the case might be) with a soap under similar weather
conditions.  (Very similar chemicals are used to regulate plant
growth by desiccating tender buds.)


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From: pearlste@esvax.dnet.dupont.com
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: subscribe
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:47:31 GMT
From: barb@meaddata.com (Barb Bruns)
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: composting, sort of
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:06:43 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.meaddata.com

I sort of hesitate to post to this group because one, I'm ignorant at this  
point of the chemical compositions that may be part of what I'm trying to
do, and two, I'm not sure I want to expose myself to some of the vitriol
that seems to exist in the group.  HOWEVER, I am very interested in sustainable
agriculture on a very small scale, and have some questions.  I'm also interes-
ted in it on a large scale, although I don't feel I can make much of a contri-
bution in that area right now.

I have two gardens I'm trying to improve the soil in.  One is a vegetable gar-
den, and one is a decorative shrubbery-type area in front of my house.  Both
these areas were once completely clay (the only "soil" that exists in the area
I live in).  Over a couple of years, I've removed the clay in the vegetable
garden down to about 10", deposited it in the woods behind my house, and re-
placed it with sandy "soil" from a run-off from a storm sewer that makes a
boggy area (or creek, when it rains hard) at the edge of my yard.  I plan to do
the same for the decorative area in my front yard.  

Unfortunately, the tomatoes I've planted in the garden don't exactly thrive in
their new soil, so I suspect there aren't many nutrients in the run-off.  So
last fall I added leaf mulch (well, leaves run over with the lawn mower).  This
winter, I've started collecting coffee grounds, smashed egg shells, and ashes
from the fireplace in a 5 gallon bucket in the garage.  I'd add shredded vege-
table matter, but I'm not sure I want to blenderize stuff like that and add it
to what's there, since I don't want to risk having my compost "heap" begin to
rot so close to the house.  

So, around to my questions:

1.  Are my "ingredients" worthwhile to loosen soil and provide SOME nutrients?

2.  If the mixture begins to mold because of moisture, is that good or bad?

3.  Should I just move the whole thing outside and start a legitimate compost
    heap, complete with vegetable matter?

If this is too amateurish an effort for this group, I apologize.  But I really
do think the idea of sustainable agriculture is fascinating and important, and
I'm very interested in learning what I can.


-- 
Barbara Bruns                Technical Communications & Education
Mead Data Central                               barb@meaddata.com
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Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)
Subject: Re: O.M. changes using Cs-137
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.231502.14217@pmafire.inel.gov> gail@pmafire.inel.gov 
(Gail Olson) writes:
>I would like to get some information on the use of Cs-137 to measure
                                                    ^^^^^^
                                                 What is it?

>changes in the organic matter of agricultural soils. I have read that
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What kind of changes.

>it is inexpensive and could be easily incorporated into environmental
>monitoring programs.  References would be appreciated.

Is this a procedure a farmer could perform? Would it be helpful in
soil building programs where compost, hay, manure, green manure
are incorporated into the soil?
From: tgray@igc.apc.org (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: --Warming Threatens Crop Yields
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:54:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1738700001:000:2792
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tgray    Dec 29 12:54:00 1992


/* Written  5:12 am  Sep 17, 1992 by tgray@igc.apc.org in igc:en.energy */

CLIMATE CHANGE TO CUT FOOD YIELDS
IN THIRD WORLD, SAYS NEW STUDY
 
A new study from the Environmental Change Unit at the United
Kingdom's University of Oxford says that as global climate patterns
are altered by the greenhouse effect, Third World food supplies are
threatened.
 
A report in the British journal New Scientist entitled "Grain
Yields Tumble in Greenhouse World" said the study sees cuts of 10
percent to 15 percent in grain yields in "Africa, tropical Latin
America and much of India and Southeast Asia, as well as a
substantial increase in famine" by the year 2050.
 
The study reviewed the agricultural implications of computerized
climate predictions from the British Meteorological Office and from
the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Goddard
Institute of Space Studies.
 
 
The British Meteorological Office computer model also suggests the
possibility of declining grain harvests in North America, according
to the study's author, Martin Parry.  Parry said such a development
"would substantially raise grain prices worldwide."
 
Parry, who has carried out earlier greenhouse studies for the
International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA), said
the findings of the new study are increasingly ominous.  According
to New Scientist, the study's findings indicate that approximately
one billion people will be placed "at risk from hunger" by 2050.
 
Major breakthroughs in biotechnology and large irrigation projects
would be needed to prevent hunger, Parry said, although he noted
that his study is not a firm prediction, but rather a "sensitivity
analysis" showing areas of global vulnerability to climate change.

===============================

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Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)
Subject: Re: Leaf Protein
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:01:31 GMT

In article <1hk12uINNkha@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>
>I am interested in finding current studies on the subject
>of leaf protein and its extraction.
>This is for use as food for humans not a protein merely
>for research purposes.
>Various works by Pirie in England have discussed this but
>I cannot find much in the last two or three years.
>I am wondering if research is continuing in this area.
>This has application as a food supplement for developing
>countries and perhaps as health food supplement here.
>
>
>-- 
>Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
>            looks promising.... |-)

Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca (Don Christie)
Subject: Re: O.M. changes using Cs-137
Reply-To: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca
Organization: Nova Scotia Agricultural College, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:34:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.015941.7612@samba.oit.unc.edu>, london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.231502.14217@pmafire.inel.gov> gail@pmafire.inel.gov 
>(Gail Olson) writes:
>>I would like to get some information on the use of Cs-137 to measure
>                                                    ^^^^^^
>                                                 What is it?
>
>>changes in the organic matter of agricultural soils. I have read that
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What kind of changes.
>
>>it is inexpensive and could be easily incorporated into environmental
>>monitoring programs.  References would be appreciated.
>
>Is this a procedure a farmer could perform? Would it be helpful in
>soil building programs where compost, hay, manure, green manure
>are incorporated into the soil?

Cs 137 is Cesium-137... a radioisotope. There is a guy who works for 
Agriculture Canada who has used a device of this type... I don't think he
reads the USENET, so I have forwarded your previous post to him via email.

I'll pass along whatever comes of it.



//Don
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Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: Punish in Private; Praise in Public
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:09:22 GMT

Wouldn't that philosophy reduce the flames that we *all* have to wade
through?

bye
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca (Don Christie)
Subject: Re: Composting
Reply-To: dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca
Organization: Nova Scotia Agricultural College, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:58:25 GMT

In article <1hh5trINN2uh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>
>Here are some notes on composting that may be of interest:

>Using fallen leaves only for composting creates two 
>problems: the carbon to nitrogen ratio is too high and
>the surface of the leaves tends to resist entry by
>bacteria cultures.  One choice is to shred the leaves
>and add a source of nitrogen such as grass clippings
>or manure.  Layering is important since too dense or
>thick an amount of grass clippings or manure can
>create too much heat and burning.

another thing you can do is add a bit of soil to the mixture...
it aids by supplementing the microbial content of the compost,
and it reduces problems with heat that you mention


>On the other hand, if carbon is too low in relation to
>nitrogen, such as a compost pile of manure and barn
>bedding including straw or sawdust, then the process
>is impeded.  Such a pile will generate large amounts
>of ammonia which can be temporarily toxic to plant
>roots if added directly to crops.  
>Generally the optimum carbon to nitrogen ratio for
>effective composting is about 35:1.  A compost with
>a carbon to nitrogen ratio of less than 20:1 will
>give off surplus heat as well as create alkalinity
>with pH above 7.

the C:N ratio _is_ important, but it is also fairly important
to be able to take advantage of surplus organic materials such
as straw or sawdust. The problem you mention above will cure itself
in time... that is to say, a compost with too high a C:N ratio
will eventually be ok to use... microbes will cycle the raw materials
and decompose them, it just takes longer.


//Don
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