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From: S7985203@deimos.ucc.umass.edu ( )
Subject: Re: KILLING DOGS & CATS THAT TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:55:44 GMT
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> It's not just ***SOME*** grass they walk on it's **MINE***. Thta's what 
> private property is all about. Ownership. Remember "a man's home is his 
> castle"? It's the only place where, within certain limits, I can basically 
> do what I want --- determine my own environment. What I want!!! is an animal-
> free environment. What I also want is some suggestions on how to achieve 
> this. I did not ask for therapy from you nor recommendations that I seek it 
> elsewhere, thank you very much.
> 
> Reid


I don't think there is such a place as an animal free environment.  At least I
haven't found one yet.  Animals are everywhere and it is their land as much as
it is ours.  If you haven't noticed, animals are a part of our culture.  They
are protection, security, and yes, even "man's best friend".   You try to kill 
one of them and you'll probably have a nice law suit on your hands - not to
mention disrupt peace in your neighborhood.

Christy
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From: WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Subject: Re: KILLING DOGS & CATS THAT TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:18:15 GMT

In article <9APR199208364934@zeus.tamu.edu> pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (REVENGE OF THE KILLER TOMATOES) writes:
>In article <WHITLOCK.35@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>,
> WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock) writes...
>>It's not just ***SOME*** grass they walk on it's **MINE***. Thta's what 
>>private property is all about. Ownership. Remember "a man's home is his 
>>castle"? It's the only place where, within certain limits, I can basically 
>>do what I want --- determine my own environment. What I want!!! is an animal-
>>free environment. What I also want is some suggestions on how to achieve 
>>this. I did not ask for therapy from you nor recommendations that I seek it 
>>elsewhere, thank you very much.
>> 
>>Reid


>Hey, while your there - why not poison the earthworms that are occupying your
>precious land. Shoot all those pesky birds flying over head. Nuke those nasty
>insects and kill all that damned foliage which is heartlessly occupying your
>pride and joy. 
>Then dig a hole and kill yourself - no pesky bacteria is going to live
>off MY body while I'm alive damnit!!!!


Earthworms don't stare in my window at night when I'm working at the 
computer. The maggots that might want my body to not jump on the window 
screen lunging at bugs and birds. Non-domestic animals basically seem to 
leave things as they found them. They don't bark, they don't carry fleas, 
and from what I've been unable to discern, they are not responsible for any 
conspicuous defacation under my azealias (sp?). This is NOT the case with 
the hounds and felines you so blindly defend. What happened to 
responsibility? If you were my neighbor and I told you to keep your dog off 
my land, what would you say "too bad buddy, my dog will go where it pleases, 
whatcha gonna do about it ???" That would be a really sensible, measured, 
neighborly response! IT IS ON ***MY*** PROPERTY#!@#!@#@#@#!@#

Reid


>Philip A. Carney               On Exchange from Lancaster University,
>Texas A&M University, TX       England.

>**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
>******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

>"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm
From: steveb@cernvax.cern.ch (Steve Bougerolle)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: KILLING DOGS & CATS THAT TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:13:15 GMT
Organization: CERN, Geneva, Switzerland

In <WHITLOCK.39@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock) writes:

>I'd prefer them dead, on principle --- they need to be punished for the 
>trespassing they have already done --- but I's settle for their permanent 
>removal from the property. Notice that I haven't suggested a guerilla 
>revenge campaign against the owners of the offending creatures. Since 
>animals do not yet, thank goodness, have any rights under the law in our 
>fair country, by rights I should take the owners to court. Again, a problem. 
>I don't have the time for all that --- and ---I'd ruin my reputation as a 
>model neighbor. Far preferable would be the complete (but mysterious) 
>disappearance of said unwanted interlopers. HOW TO DO IT. THAT's my question.

So let me get this straight:

It doesn't bother you to *BE* a lousy neighbour.

It DOES bother you not to have a reputation as a ``model neighbour.''

You are contemptible.  You have just proudly displayed your lack of
conscience to the rest of the world, and you expect us to applaud?  I will
repeat myself; you are contemptible, and you appear amoral as well.

Even worse, I am now wondering if you are both dangerous and contemptible.
Anybody else out there wonder what other nasty habits this piece of human
trash has?  God knows how many of them there may be; obviously he wouldn't
tell us because that would ruin his reputation as a model professor and
upstanding citizen.

Any volunteers in his area who would be willing to look up his address and
send his posting to all his neighbours?  That would solve his reputation
problems once and for all, I think.

Incidentally, Mr. Whitlock, the first sentence in your paragraph above was
very revealing.  They need to be punished for trespassing???  How many
"varmints" do you suppose understand the concept of property rights?  I rather
doubt THEY need to be punished.  Certainly your idea of punishment can
improve absolutely nothing from their point of view, since they will have
no point of view after you kill them.  This sort of reasoning strikes me as
pretty disturbed.

It worries me that somebody with (apparently) such a twisted view of the
world could reach such a high position in academia.
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Subject: CFV: soc.penpals
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:12:25 GMT
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Thanks, 
Christy
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: stereotypes
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:45:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rtq8cINNgup
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
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In article <01GIDTDPL6KG0009TG@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> VNASMAN@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.MIL (Tori) writes:
>I see a difference between descriptive stereotypes and prescriptive
>stereotypes.  Descriptive stereotypes, while certainly shallow and
>rarely informative, are generally easier to break.  Prescriptive
>stereotypes are the type women face more often, and these are the more
>dangerous and more resistant.

Interesting taxonomy.

One problem with making a sharp distinction is that descriptive stereotypes
have a funny way of resulting in prescriptive stereotypes, either by becoming
them or causing a reaction, depending on how the stereotype is recieved.
As one example, a trendy and chic stereotype of women is that they are life-
giving and nurturing.  It is obvious that it only takes the subtlest of shifts
to get from here to barefoot and pregnant, and this has happened several times
in the past.  There's another trendy and chic stereotype of men that they are
inherently rapacious.  This demonstrably causes a reaction of a prescriptive
stereotype of men that they should be eternally wracked with shame.

There may be another problem, depending on what you mean by "are the type women
face more often."  If you mean that women face prescriptive stereotypes more
often than they do descriptive stereotypes, then I cannot really argue with
that.  If you mean that women face prescriptive stereotypes more often than
men do, I have to disagree.  There are plenty of prescriptive stereotypes
that affect men, such as the idea that they should be impervious to hardship
and be able to "provide" whatever is expected of them regardless of 
circumstance.  I would be willing to bet a reasonable amount of money that,
for every prescriptive stereotype of women that you could name, I could name
a corresponding prescriptive stereotype of men that exists in the same mindset,
complements the other stereotype, and is in its way as restrictive and 
destructive.  This is not a coincidence; the traditional roles and expectations
of men and women have evolved together and are similarly deformed.

-EMP


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From: tweaver@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Tim Weaver)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Marriage and well-being
Date: 10 Apr 1992 21:18:10 GMT
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> Or else divorce is a better deal for women than for men.  Pick yer
> prejudice.

Not if the assets are in his name.  This is one of the reasons we have
mothers on welfare.  It's also the reason for alimony.  If the guy
divorces the woman and takes all his marbles, she's stuck unless she has
a job.  Housewives get the real shaft here.
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From: nadel@aerospace.aero.org (M.H. Nadel)
Subject: Re: Stereo Types
Status: R
Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:33:14 GMT



In article <1992Apr10.155749.16941@aero.org> "S.T.Hall" <sth@ukc.ac.uk> writes:
>
>To start though male I am a realy equallist (male-female black-white young-old
>etc) I find though that at my university the feminist organisations 
>discrimanate heavily against men, though there are alot of men out there/here 
>who could be converted to equallism but instead they feel alienated and get the
>"there all a bunch of lesbians" view instead.
>
>What can be done about this??
>
It isn't clear to me what specific actions and behaviors you object to.  It's
hard to deal in generalities.  One thing which comes to mind is that there
is a tendency in our society that if a woman asks a man for help, he'll just
do the task for her.  Women who want to be self-sufficient learn not to
ask for help, or end up spending a lot of time explaining themselves and
arguing that they just wanted someone to show them once so they won't have to
ask again, etc..  The way to deal with this (or to deal with someone who's
been burned by this many times) is to let them be in control in the situation
and ask specifically what kind of help they need or want.

>On to the real reason for this posting.
>Due to my genetics and like for sport I'm 6 foot and weigh some 215 pounds,due
>to this I get real bad reactions from feminists. 
>What can I do?, my body language is harmless (really it more of a teddy bear 
>than anything else).

I'm not sure that you're stating this accurately.  Almost nobody knows how
their body language is perceived, unless they're told.  Is it possible that
there are subtle things going on that appear threatening, without that
being your intent?  For example, leaning forward towards someone as they
speak can be seen as an attempt to intimidate or threaten them, while you
might mean it as a sign of interest.

Miriam Nadel
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or named after Patty."     - Mike Downey
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From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Marriage and well-being
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:41:28 GMT
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In article <rtq7oINNgul@agate.berkeley.edu> albert@cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert) writes:
>
>I guess marriage is a better deal for men than for women.

Or else divorce is a better deal for women than for men.  Pick yer
prejudice.

Perhaps someday somebody can explain to me why, if it's such a great big
solid gold deal for men to get married, in all the long-term couples
that I've known, the woman is always more eager to get married than the
man.  Perhaps the same person can explain to me why pressure to get
married more often comes from the mother than the father.

-EMP


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From: tittle@alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Gender and Gender Roles (was Re: Perpetuating Stereotypes)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:47:59 GMT

In <1992Apr15.094907.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:

>  So, take the advantage away! Don't wear high heels (they are bad for your
...
>  Don't wear dresses that limit your ability to move.
...
>  You hate hassles with makeup? Toss it. You are just fine the way nature
...
>  Hose a frustration as well as an expense? Why bother with them?
...
etc...

Which may not work for all women; I recognize that.  However, I do
all of this, except for when I "have to" dress up, say conferences
in my field.

>  Men "admire" the above items because they are sensitive enough to
>realize that a woman who has put that time and effort into her
>appearance wants it to be noticed. But that should not be confused
>with the idea that a man would not appreiciate you just as much (but
>in a different fashion) if you were in jeans, comfy shoes, and your
>own face.

This isn't quite true.  Remember, now, I'm a woman who does not wear
makeup, who does NOT "dress up" (even the dress up I have to do is as
practical as possible), and so on, so I've actually witnessed this.
I'm no ogre, I keep myself clean, neat, and well trimmed.

There are plenty of men who can't stand it when women don't do the
above.  They hate it enough to make comments about it as I walk by,
enough to assume that I'm lesbian (despite the wedding ring), and
even enough to walk directly up to me and tell me that I would look
so much nicer in a dress or with makeup on.

I know there are men as you describe and I know plenty of men who
think I look just great.  But you do not seem to think that there are
any men such as I describe...and there are.  There are other sources
of pressure besides peers and advertisements.  This testimony is from
the front-lines, so to speak.

--Cindy


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From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Divorce Stats
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:24:17 GMT

Recently on the news I saw a statistic that surprised me.  It said
that after a divorce, the average woman's standard of living decreases
by over 70%, while a recently divorced male's standard of living
increases by 46%.  Why would there be such a difference???

Perhaps because more women stay at home than men, but a 70% decrease?
And a 46% increase for men?  Amazing.  I think I'll go out and get
married and divorced next week to increase my standard of living :-) .

-Paul

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From: albert@cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Marriage and well-being
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:44:56 GMT
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In article <rqga3INN59r@agate.berkeley.edu> uunet!cmcl2!panix.com!jk@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Jim Kalb) writes:

>If the goal is to determine the
>circumstances in which people generally live best, though, it's worth
>mentioning that of the men I've known the married men have usually
>lived in less sordid surroundings than the bachelors.

Actually, there is research which has documented that married men `fare'
better than single men, as measured by life expectancy, prevalence of
medical and psychological disorders, and measures of life satisfaction, 
while single women (who are not mothers) `fare' better than married women
according to the same metrics. 

I guess marriage is a better deal for men than for women.

Joseph Albert
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From: madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)
Subject: Thanks to everyone who responded to the gender identification study
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:31:26 GMT

I am sorry that I was unable to post the results of the study prior to
today but I was working on a paper for delivery to the Western Social
Science Association and was behind in that endeavour.  However, I have
finally tabulated the results and am pleased to report them as
follows:

34 respondents

Question : Using my name alone "Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi" attempt to
           determine my gender.

Female :6
Male   : 14
"No Idea" : 14

Question : Do you normally have your business substitute titles where
           there are none indicated?

Yes : 2
No : 13
Failed to answer : 19

Question : Do you assume that I am a married woman?

Yes : 2
Married but not a woman necessarily: 1
No : 18
Failed to answer : 13

Question : Do you normally omit titles when addressing letters?

Yes: 14
No :  4
Failed to answer : 16

Question : If I were writing to an education department, what would
           your assumption of gender be?

Male : 3
Female : 4
Can't determine : 11
Failed to answer : 16

Question : If I were writing to a computer science department, what
           would your assumption of gender be?

Male : 5
Female : 0
Can't determine : 15
Failed to answer : 14

Question : If I were to write for ballet tickets, what would your
           assumption of gender be?

Male : 2
Female : 5
Can't determine : 15
Failed to answer : 12

Thanks once again to all who have responded.

Oh, and for those who are curious, I am male.

I wish to also thank everyone for the large number of responses which
contained comments on the study.  The study was used as exploratory
research ONLY and is not going to be used as a general survey because
(as many pointed out) of the self-selection and limited audience of
this newsgroup.  However, the comments have yielded a number of
potential lines of inquiry and have suggested that this research may
prove invaluable in determining latent biases in the hiring of
individuals.

Sincerely yours,

Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi


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