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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:45:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <2459@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>
>So 'baka-chon' means 'stupid dot'? ? ?

	"baka demo chon demo toreru kamera" -> "baka-chon kamera"
	"a camera with which both baka(a stupid person) and chon (a person with
	less wisdom) can take pictures."

>I don't know myself, but a lot of (~30) Japanese nationals have told
>me that 'baka-chon' meant "so easy that even a stupid Korean could
>use it." Maybe they were wrong and it doesn't mean that, but they
>thought it did and gave it as example of how Koreans are made fun of
>even in advertisements. 

	Yes, there are such people ignorant about the facts, and to tell the
	truth I had been one of them until I looked up the origin of the word
	in the dictionary.  (Still I had hated to use the word.  Now? Still 
	don"t.)

>
>But all is not lost: a woman I know told me she has a Korean friend
>who is always giving her kimichi (sp?) which she politely accepts
>and then puts outside as soon as her friend leaves as she can't
>stand the smell. Hearing her story, I asked if she would give it
>to me and she said yes. So now I get some really great kimichi
>but I can't thank the woman who made it. 
>
>Oh well....
>
>Dave
	We have to be careful about food because even if you think there is 
	no better food in the world than your favorite, there ARE people who
	just cannot stand it.  I like sushi but I know some people sho cannot
	imagine having raw fish.

	BTW, I *love* kimchee.  How about sending me some of those, Dave?


						Tetsuya Nishimura

	PS.  the other day my friend who is a Czekoslovakian made some kimchee
	     and I tried some...   Boy, they were great and my Korean friends
	     agreed, too.  Now I have one of the bottles with kimchee in my
	     refrigerator.  :->
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Smell of Food (Was: What do most of Japanese ...)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:14:34 GMT
	<2470@aegis.or.jp> <1992Aug25.033206.1970@u.washington.edu>
	<2490@aegis.or.jp>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: davidg@aegis.or.jp's message of 25 Aug 92 16:25:00 GMT

In article <2490@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

 =}The point is shifting here ever so slightly. I was saying that
 =}Japanese food doesn't smell *as much as* food in some other
 =}countries (confirmed in a mini-survey of 15 Japanese nationals today). 

   IMO, the 'smell' of food is a subjective thing.  When walking or
biking through my neighbourhood here in Japan I smell cooking just as
I would back home (ie. neither 'smells' more than the other).

 =}Can anybody from Korea, Land of Kimchee, tell us if people there
 =}think it smells good? 

   I'm not Korean, but I like the smell of a good kimchee.  A walk
through the Korean sections of Osaka can make me really hunger for
kimchee...(ahh, kimcheege [nanun teji ya?] :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: lotteries
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:11:10 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> [stuff deleted]
> >
> >You can get all the prize money at once in Japan. But you can't in the US.
> >For what it's worth, you get a small amount of the money every year for
> >over 20 years. (I don't know exactly.)
> 

True in some U.S. states, not in others. In Indiana, for example, you get
the whole amount at once.

-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Phobia (was Re: The Russo-Japanese War (part 2))
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:32:57 GMT

masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>   And Japanese are homophobic, too, especially in a foreign country.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^
As I've seen only a more recent, colloquial usage of this term, I was puzzled
at first, but I see what you mean now :-)

>   These days, you can find a good number of Japanese tourists in any major 
>city. I heard that there are an increasing number of requests by Japanese
>clients to a travel agency to arrange a trip to a place where they don't 
>see any Japanese.

I could tell you only what you already know which is: "People want to get
a way from other Japanese which serves only to remind them of work and the
crowded environment back home.  People want to experience total 'foreign'ness;
seeing other Japanese walking around won't help toward this end."
"Koko ni mo Nihojin ga iru! Waaa koko ni mo!" (Even *here* there's Japanese,
ahhh, even over here!).

>   I also heard that there are some Japanese families living in my area
>that declared, "Nihon-jin no kata to wa amari otsukiai shitaku arimasen
>node (We are not willing to socialize with Japanese)."

This is a different situation from vacation travel. I could only surmize that 
the people you mention are trying to absorb as much American culture as they 
can while they're here. In other words they might be missing other Japanese 
but are trying hard not to see them.

>As I understand it, other Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.) 
>are more mutually supportive in a foreign country.

Maybe there aren't as many other Asian tourists. If they want to, they
can easily get away from others of their kind (and enjoy "foreign"ness).

>I wonder what makes Japanese homophobic. I myself who take the Japanese 
>attitude in a negative way might be also affected by homophobia.

I think the attitude and motivation for it depends on the person's situation.
Vacation travellers, temorary (1-3yr) workers, and permanent residents are all
different. My experience has been that first cateogry people tend to be
"phobic" as stated above. The people in the third category tends to be, for 
the most part, hospitable. The second type is a mix bag. Some miss other
Japanese and tend to see mostly Japanese. Some see Japanese in moderation to
increase contacts with the natives. Some go to exteme of the latter.

The first type may qualify as "phobic", but otherwise I'm not sure if Japanese
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery)
Subject: Any Japanese Pussy Available?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:13:59 GMT



I really need a virgin Japanese, hightec cunt!!!!!!
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: telephones and moving
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:47:00 GMT
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

A recent experience that may come in handy to someone else:

   I'll be moving to a new apartment soon.  It will be my first
'sintiku' [newly built]...  Makes me happy :)  I had a small
problem with NTT as to getting a new phone number and was shown
a way to work around it so I though I might share it.


   I wanted to get some cute postcards printed up to send to my friends
giving them the new address and phone number.  Unfortunately, the rental
agent can't give a definite move date as construction hasn't finished yet.
I have been told that if my paperwork is all OK then I can move in by the
end of September.  I checked out the printers and found that it will take
2-3 weeks to get the cards ready.  That gives me just enough time to get
them printed and mail them out to my friends.

   Now for the problem...  I called NTT to see about getting the new phone
number so that I could get the cards printed.  I was told that one must
have a definite move date before one can get a new number.  After
explaining my situation I got the usual "mosiwake gozaimasen"...  Finally
after a lot of questions about how the system works (turns out that it is
an internal NTT documentation problem rather than a real problem) and some
begging for a bit of leniency (denied) I was back at square one: "mosiwake
gozaimasen"...

   I then calmly explained to the operator that NTT's internal
documentation procedures were not designed with the customer in mind
and that because of this I was being asked to undergo undue hardship.
(Yes, it was mostly a line of bull... but it worked... :)  The operator
got upset and asked me if it was OK to put me down for Sept. 30 as a
move date.  She then mentioned that if that date later changed I need
only call again and provide the new date. (salvation!)  She warned me
that the date I first give and the actual date may lead to a situation
where I won't be able to get service for a few days and that if I forget
to give the actual date then the service will be changed over on the
first date I give.  I figure that if I give a date prior to the end
of the month and make sure that I give the correct date before then
then there should be no problem.  If there is, I'll post a follow-up...

   Moral: If you are going to move and want continuous phone service
throughout the move, and if you do not know the exact date of the move
in time to let those who might call you know...  Just give an aproximate
date, get the new number, and then give the correct date when you know
it... But be careful of the operator's warning...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: davev@bnr.ca (David Villeneuve)
Subject: re: Area Code in Japan
Reply-To: davev@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:51:50 GMT

In article <MS-C.715569464.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>, mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
|> I don't think 42 is an area code, but rather the first two digits of a set of
|> area codes near To^kyo^.  422 is Musashino-Shi, 424 is Ho^ya-Shi, both in
|> To^kyo^.

   Being a resident of Mushashino-shi, I concur.  

   BTW, in Japan the Musashino-shi area code becomes 0422.  

   0042 is the ITJ number for Third-Party billing for international
   calls.  

   042 is a mystery to me.  Anyone have any answer to this one?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Villeneuve, davev@bnr.ca   | Mail daemon wa canada ni arimasu. 
Bell-Northern Research, JAPAN   | Boku wa nippon ni imasu yo.
My opinions are my own, though please don't quote me on that.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Kos^ice
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:50:08 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

tony2@prefect.uucp (21131-gozdz) writes:

>In article <Aug24.051921.27463@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>>In article <2465@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>>
>            [stuff deleted]
>>>
>>>Speaking of Czechoslovakia I've been corresponding with some people
>>>from Kosice (has an accent over the 's' and is pronounced Ko-sh-i-ke
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
>                                        should be:          Ko'shi-tseh

Thanks. Sounds better. Mine was only a guess after hearing it on the tape.

>>>As for the spelling of the
>>>name of the country, on the stamps it's 'Ceskolsvensko' with an
>>>accent over the 'c'.                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      after recent changes, it should be:  Cesko-Slovensko,
>in September we may have two separate words :-(

Maybe so. For the time being, according to the envelope it's
'Ceskoslovensko' on the stamps and in the handwritten return address

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087



Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Is MAZDA a Japanese word?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:18:55 GMT

In article <14767@mindlink.bc.ca> twt@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom W. Tomlinson) writes:
>Hi.  My friend Stan is the happy owner of a Mazda 626.  Is Mazda a
>Japanese word or name?  The sequence /zd/ does not normally occur
>in Romaji: is the name actually Matsuda?  What is the origin of the
>name of this brand of car, and how is it represented in Kanji (if
>it can be)?

The first character is "matsu" (as in pine tree) and the second is "ta" or
"da" (rice field). It's just a slight Americanization of pronounciation, and
the sound is actually rather close.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Subject: Re: for the short term traveller in Japan
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:19:36 GMT


Thanks for the exchange rate information.  BUT I guess my 
original posting was not clear.  I just meant to remind people
who have traveller's checks in YEN that there are places to get
cash besides banks.  On my first two visits I did the bank thing,
because that is what I knew about from tourist books.  Now I know
that there are alternatives.  And my memory is that there is a
little less paperwork when exchanging at a store, rather than a
bank.  
Anyway, I'm sorry if my post has been troublesome.
BTW, my email address is Cleveland, Ohio--but I live in Lincoln,
Nebraska.  If anyone is in the neighborhood this Friday, I am 
giving a talk about traditional Japanese bookbinding.  The
university has an Asian Arts and Culture Guild which meets 9
times during the school year.
Cathy Atwood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:49:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.013550.27483@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.153704.6253@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>>smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>
>>	made in the US and the UK to order of the combatants.  By the end
>>	of the US Civil War the US had the best Army and largest Navy in the
>>	world, and at any time after that could have carved out whatever
>>	piece of China she had a desire for.  If Japan could get terrtorial
>>	concessions from China in the 1890s certainly the US could have as well
>>	had she wanted them.  That she chose not to could be due to a number
>>	of reasons, but military inability seems hard to credit.

>You forgot the most important factor:logistics. What is the distance between
>the US and China and Japan and China. I am sure the U.S. was even
>stronger after WWII and what happened to the U.S. in Korea and Vietnam.

What did distance have to do with it? We did fairly well in Japan and Europe,
we got what we set out for in Korea, and recently did rather well in the 
middle east. The difference between those and Vietnam was that we never had
any set goal in that country. Kind of hard to fight, if your top people can't
decide what you're fighting, what you're fighting for, and why.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Opening the rice market
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Aug26.212447.29521@acuson.com>, miklg@acuson.com 
(Michael Goldman ) writes:
=> However, today's San Francisco Chronicle (pg A8,Aug 26, '92)
=> 
=> 	"US-made sushi is being imported into Japan by a big sushi restaurant
=> 	chain.  Because raw fish and rice are much cheaper in the US than in
=> 	Japan, the Sushi Boy chain is saving bundles of money by having the
=> 	sushi produced in ... San Diego County and frozen for shipment across
=> 	the Pacific reports Japan Digest.  The American rice is exempt from
=> 	Japan's ban on rice imports becuse the edict covers only raw rice, not
=> 	processed or cooked rice."

Frozen sushi? My God! Can anyone in Japan tell us about the quality of
the "Sushi Boy" chain? I'll have to try this at home, because sometimes
we're at a loss with what to do with "left-over" raw fish and sushi rice,
so we proceed to stuff ourselves to the gills. 

Some things freeze better than others and maintain their quality. The raw
fish may not be so bad, but I would think the rice might be adversely 
affected in texture. I also don't quite understand the economy in this.
As far as the fish is concerned, yes, but Japanese varieties of rice
grown in the US are not so cheap that the shipping costs would still make
the economics of doing this viable.

Not that I'm a total disbeliever, but something doesn't seem quite right
unless labor costs are also a significant factor in the equation.

- Bill Lambert
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What did Akihito do during the war
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:43:52 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug30.124345.6018@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u2105545@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Shigetoh Kumagai) writes:
>In article <5149@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>> Just a quick question:
>> I heard that Akihito is around 70, which makes him in his
>> early 20's by the 1940's. What did he do during the war and
>> afterwards?
>> -Han Kim
>
>He was born in 1933, so at 1940 he was 16 or 17.
                                        ^^    ^^

I believe you mean "6 or 7".

Steve
From: gt4650c@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Opening the rice market
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:34:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I've been a little out  of contact with news from Japan for a while so
I was wondering if anything had happened recently in the matter of 
opening the Japanese rice market.  Last winter it sounded like things
were starting to move but the recent major scandals seem to be 
taking most of the attention of the government and Miyazawa.  

I would appreciate it if someone would post or e-mail an update. 

Thanks,

Tim Anderson
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Smell of Food (Was: What do most of Japanese ...)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:13:05 GMT

In article <2459@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>Now if you've been in Japan for any length of time, I think you'll
>agree that few things smell very much. Japanese food in particular
>has very little smell compared to food from say Korea, China,
>France, Italy. It *looks* just so, and I appreciate that, but it
>doesn't smell, and that's something I miss.

Well ... I don't know, maybe the Japanese food as a whole ...
If you look at individual dishes, though, I think there are plenty of
smelly ones.  For starter, there's the ubiquitous miso-shiru (miso soup).
Many gaikokujins find its odor HORRIBLE.  Then there's the natto. Those
half decomposing soybeans some people call food (Eeeegfph!). Various
pickels, dried fishes, dried radishes, shiokara .... I think there are 
many.  v~~~\
      :^(

Today's lesson in Japanese: expression used when you encouter a really bad
smell.
 (1) Kusai! (It smells!  It stinks!).
 (2) Kusaa! (same as (1), but in more Kansai style).
 (3) Nanika nioi-masu nee. ("Something seems to smell ...").
 (4) Hana ga magaru. (lit. The nose gets twisted (due to odor)).
 (5) Hana ga moge sou da. (lit. It feels like the nose is going to fall off).
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:42:58 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:

>In article <2454@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>For further reference, here in the Kansai there are three sub-divisions
>>of 'gaijin':
...
>>	kawai gaijin	"scary" gaijin, likes to seduce Japanese 
>        ^^^^^
>Don't you mean kowaii?  I'll be happy if strange women came up to me and called
>me a kawaii gaijin.  (^-^)

Probably :-) There's another word that's very close that means 'cute'
could you put that in romanji so I could make sure I get it right too?

Thanks,

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Racist motivations in 1931-1945
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:47:21 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Sep3.145321.16310@acuson.com>, miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
>>Try Ienaga Saburo's "The Pacific War".  It's includes and excellent treatment
>>of pre-war Japanese attitudes toward other Asians.
> 
> 	I followed up this suggestion (reluctantly, I didn't think I could
> 	read _yet_ _another_ history of the war) and I second your 
> 	recommendation.

The power of the net .... *I* followed up this suggestion and I third
the recommendation.

> 	He paints a much more graphic and critical picture of the Japanese
> 	popular feeling than I ever read by a non-Japanese.  If an American
> 	wrote it, he would be accused of "Japan-bashing" or worse.

Oh yes!  He didn't come right out and say the Japanese government's tactics
in mobilizing popular thought towards war were just like the Third Reich's,
but the parallel is hard to miss.

> 	Dr. Saburo was born in Nagoya in 1913 so he lived through much of
> 	what he writes about.  He taught at Tokyo University of Education
> 	from 1949-1977 and has a liberal perspective on history.  He
> 	waged a lengthy legal campaign against textbook certification.

The book was written (in Japanese) in 1968, and so embodies the spirit
of the then-chic Japanese left wing pacifists. In passing, does anyone know
how Dr. Ienaga's campaign ended up?
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What did Akihito do during the war
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:39:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <5149@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>Just a quick question:
>I heard that Akihito is around 70, which makes him in his
>early 20's by the 1940's. What did he do during the war and
>afterwards?
>-Han Kim

	Emperor Akihito was born on December 23, 1933, as the first son of
	late Emperor Hirohito (Akihito has a few older sisters and a younger 
	brother).  He was still an elementary school kid when Japan surrendered.

	Just for a reference.

						Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Subject: for the short term traveller in Japan
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:29:41 GMT


Assuming you are in a city--I've found that department stores
are a great place to convert (yen) traveller's checks to cash.
It's not difficult to find some store open every day of the week.
Their conversion counters are often near a street level entrance.
You don't even need to pretend that you are going to spend money
in their store!

Cathy Atwood
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.history