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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: Early Kraftwerk on CD???
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:05:39 GMT

>Could you please post a brief review of the Ralf and Florian album?  First
>time I saw it, I wasn't quite sure it was Kraftwerk guys...
>
>--Mike

Sure enough...here you go:

KRAFTWERK: "Ralf and Florian". Vertigo UK 6360 616 (also released in US
by Vertigo/Phonogram)
Tracks:
	Elektrisches Roulette
	Tongebirge
	Kristallo
	Heimatklaenge
	Tanzmusik
	Ananas Symphonie
Performers: Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider -- Vocals, Keyboards, String and
	Windinstruments, Drums, Electronics.
Recorded May-July 1973 in Dusseldorf, Cologne and Munich. Produced by Ralf 
	Hutter and Florian Schneider.

This is something of an intermediate album between Kraftwerk's early
experiments on their first two albums, and the more familiar style and sound
that we find on "Autobahn" and later records. There is actually something
of a roughness to the work on here, an unpolishedness which one doesn't
find on, say, "Radioactivity"."Elektrisches Roulette" is really kind of
raucous in places, in fact, and is the last Kraftwerk track to feature
acoustic drumming (the rest, when they have percussion, use a rhythm 
generator).
	"Tongebirge" and "Heimatklaenge" are actually somewhat spacy
pieces; Florian's flute playing predominates on these tracks. "E.R.", 
"Kristallo", and "Tanzmusik" are very rhythmic pieces, the latter two
being in a style that might be more familiar to listeners familiar with
albums after "Autobahn".
	And that leaves the "Ananas Symphonie"...which is just downright
_weird_. Imagine Kraftwerk doing Martin Denny, and you get close. This
features surf noises, Hawaiian-styled guitar, and a samba-esque rhythm
in places. Almost muzak-like, and _way_ out of character for what we're
familiar with in Kraftwerk's stuff. It _might_ help considering that
the title, when translated, means "Pineapple Symphony", but it's still
a real oddity.
	Cover on the import version (not sure about the US version) also
features an excellent color picture of the Boys from Dusseldorf in their
native working environment, circa 1973. There's also some mention in the
liner notes of "Musicomix", which are noted to be a collaboration between
Ralf and Florian and their artist whom they worked with extensively in the
1970s, Emil Schult. My copy, when I got it, had no such thing with it, and
I myself would _love_ to know what that was.

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)


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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Subject: Re: NIN "Fixed"
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:57:20 GMT

Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders) writes:

>"Pain Courtesy of Bob Flanagan."  According to a recent Billboard
>article, Flanagan is a performance artist who appears in the "HIS"
>video (The x-rated one).  I'm not sure because I haven't seen the
>video, but I bet Trent sampled his own video.

> - nathan

can you give me any info on the 'his' video? (any version)
i've heard very little about it. 
thanks.

russ fischer
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From: aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: NIN --FIXED--
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:05:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



This is quite simply one of the most incredible CDs I've heard in
a -long- time.   I wasn't sure what to expect, but I went out and
bought it today anyway....It's far beyond anything I had expected.

This is a definate MUST HAVE CD for NIN fans.  It's longer than Broken
and cheaper than Broken -AND- in my opinion superior to Broken.

The disc is Halo 6, #96093-2 and it is labeled as a CD5 single.
So those of you who can't seem to find it, check the CD singles
area, though the store where I got mine had it with the singles and the
regular catalog section.

The first track, Gave Up is easily one of the best tracks of all time.
Noisy, fast (REAL fast) and simply awesome.   2-5 are also exceptional.
As for track 6...it's interesting and it finally gets down to business
about half-way through, but it's not quite up to par with the rest
of the CD.  With a few minor edits it could be great.

This makes waiting for the next full-length CD next year somewhat
easier.  

One comment though...I would have really liked a couple hacked and
slashed remixes of one or both of the bonus track from Broken.
A Suck remix or ...Physical remix would have been great..
As it is, Fixed is only awesome...heh heh


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  ends up as something you can hang your hat on!" - Shriekback
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 10:40:49 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Rumour: Ministry in Chicago 12/31/92

Rumour has it that Ministry will play the Riviera in Chicago on New
Year's Eve, just as thy have by "tradition."  Supposedly this time
it's a farewell to hometown Chicago with a 3 or 6 hour long concert.
Anyone else hear of this?  Personally, I don't see what they can play for
6 hours, unless they do the whole of the last 3 albums, or covers of
RevCo/Pailhead/SkinnyPuppy/Etc. or if they dip into "With Sympathy"
or "Everyday (is Halloween)'---yeah right.

Bones
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From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Severed Heads booklets
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:36:10 GMT


I'm curious about how long it has taken other people to get their Severed
Heads booklets.

I had ordered one about two years ago and received it after about six months.
This summer, I ordered the newest one (number 6), and got it (and number 5
too, as a bonus--thanks Tom!) last week.  OK, I figured that Tom only has
one pair of hands and it probably just takes him that long to get around to
it, except that, this time, I noticed that both of the booklets were
postmarked at Darlinghurst on 10 September.  I received them 10 & 11 December!

What gives?

Each of the booklets had A$1.50 postage on them, which may not be first
class rates, but even so, three months sounds like a long time for
Australia Post and the USPS to be fiddling with someone's mail.  Has
anyone else whose ordered SH booklets noticed anything similar?

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From: sol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (larry carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Current .93. and similar stuff...
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:30:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

The main mailing address <which goes directly to Tibet> is:

BM Wound
London WC1N 3XX
UK

This is for Current 93 & NWW...you can probably get intouch with Sol Invictus
and Death in June @ this address as well <don't know bout that though> send
an IRC to get on the mailing list....I was also fortunate to pick up the
"She is dead..." 7" <limited to 1000> that was released on Shock <also 
picked up the Sol Invictus 7" on the same label>...which seems to be at:
26 Stanley Road
Chingford
London
E4 7DB


and finally, the NWW 'Dadda's intoxication" 7" <anybody have the amount of
these pressed?> on Clawfist, which also released the killer "loopflesh" <split
with Loop and Godflesh>...but I don't have an address for them right now...


(also have a few other 7" by NWW,Sol invictus and Current 93 if anyone is   
interested :)   )


hope this helps a bit, the main address usually will get you a friendly response....


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From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: NIN's Fixed- where is it?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:59:21 EDT
Organization: Illinois State University

 
From the messages being posted it is obvious that the new "fixed"
cd is out, but is anybody else having trouble finding it? I've
been to most of the music stores in town and nobody's got it.
two usually dependable shops i get most of my music at didn't have
it, nor did a couple chain stores. i'll hit the mall later tonight
but i somehow doubt i'll find it at musicland, sam goodie or disc
jockey. where is everybody else finding this disc and when did it
come out?
 
frustration!
 
kyle c schiebel
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From: mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Lost With Nowhere to Go)
Subject: Wanted: NIN Suck/Supernaut Bootleg
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Organization: bgsu
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:09:45 GMT

What's it going to take for me to get your NIN Suck--Supernaut bootleg CD
single??   Perhaps it's just taking up shelf space and you need a few bucks
for Christmas shopping, i don't care--I'm willing to dish out a few more
bucks  than the average single runs.  Maybe your friend has one that you
can steal and sell to me.  It'll make us both happy

Or maybe you know someone or someplace that might sell one.  I'd be mighty
obliged if you pass any info my way.

Make my Christmas a happy one, I need Suck.  And please, no con artists--I
won't be stupid enough to shell out $$ to just any shmuck who claims to
have a single, I'll want a little proof.

                               ----Matt  (prefer email, but I'll check for 
                   
                                          responses here too. . . )
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From: dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake)
Subject: Fatima Mansions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:07:14 GMT

It seems as though a lot of us in the US have been duped by radioactive records
The released Valhalla Ave over there, but not over here.  Then when I went to
look for an address to write to the FM I found that there wasn't one on any of
the CDs I have (I dont have the Blues fC single)  An attempt to find Radio's
address proved just as fruitless...
Does anyone out there have an address for either of these?  I'd like to give
Radioactive a piece of my mind, Did they decide that VA wouldn't bring in      
enough money to warrant its US release, they still could let it be advaliable
as an import!!!  Or maybe we could order directly from the FM. 
Addresses anyone???

-Danl

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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: Ogre's BDAY
Keywords: ogre skinny puppy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:34:45 GMT

Was that done at a PigfacE show? How was the show??
coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu

phone sex keeps the drive alive

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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Tumor Circus (was  Re: what ever happened Lard)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <3322@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) writes:


>As for Mr. Biafra's recent activities, I don't know....last thing I remember 
>was Tumor Circus, but that was a while ago....maybe a new spoken word album
>is in the works????

Tell me about Tumor Circus.

I've seen the album, but I want to know something about it before I go and
buy it.
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From: bannistr@maths.tcd.ie (Jeff Bannister)
Subject: NIN Broken
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:39:33 GMT

Is there any reason why my cd player shows up 99 tracks for Broken
but tracks 7-99 are each about 2 secs long. Am I missing something?

Jeff.

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Record Speeds (was Re: What a joke)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:43:48 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:

> The DJ at the club I used to go to when I was 17 used to play "I Love
> You" by Yello at 33 instead of 45.  It's really really cool at that
> speed. 

Back when New Beat was a current thing, I kept hearing that the whole
genre started when some DJ somewhere found out how cool the "Bostich" 45
sounded at 33-1/3.  The tempo's right, anyway.  Instrumental Bronski Beat
tracks work really well (cf. "Hit That Perfect Beat"), because they're
already 135+ and come out slow but still dancable.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: colin@Cayman.COM (Colin "Atilla" Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Films with Insanity
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:13:01 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP's message of 7 Dec 92 23:30:08 GMT


Here's my $.02 for INSANE films:

	Brazil (OK, mebbe only insanely confusing =$^)
	*any* David Lynch film
	Naked Lunch (fun hallucinations)
	Betty Blue (schizoid max)
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From: sol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (larry carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ______Nurse_With_Wound : Suggestions, Please
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:15:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Scrag is great <but I don't think it's out on CD, could easily be wrong on this>"A Sucked Orange" <which IS out on CD> is pretty good..


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From: hd24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Heather J. Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Operation Ivy
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:08:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4f_Gppu00YUnFZuWhl
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I've heard only a few of their songs, and they sound pretty good-can
anyone tell me more about Operation Ivy?
Also, thank you to everyone who answered my "x-mas in Boston" post, even
though no one had any definite news. Thanks anyways!!

*>Its the cracked ones who let the light through.-Paul Moore
~Heather J. Dunn
Pittsburgh PA
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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: nin-fixed
Keywords: much better than _Cats_.....
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:49:48 GMT

I heard the latest nin to-day, and the name rings true.
It's much better than _broken_, as if the talented people,
ie,Thirwell, Coil, et al; _fixed_ the album...
I'm going to sell broken, and buy fixed with the very same 
money...
Someone should tell trent to work with people with talent more often...

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
From: aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN "Fixed"
Date: 18 Dec 1992 06:05:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Nekic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


>Also, why the parental advisor label?  Did "broken" have one?  (Since these are 're-mixes')It looks really
>goes to show how arbitrary the process is ("Gee, look at that song title...slap
>a sticker on it!"), while stuff like, the new Mingus tribute album is

Exactly, it's only stickered because of the title of track 5.

I assume it's the same phenomenon that REM faced on their newest album.
It was going to be stickered and all they had to do to avoid the sticker
was change the title of one song, not any lyrics.  (From what I heard
about it, anyway)

Maybe the stickers should say something other than "Explicit Lyrics" if
they are slapped on for song titles as well.   I mean, off the top of my
head, track 5 has nothing in it vocally to warrant it and it's not
likely to be because of Wish since Broken isn't stickered.

who knows...doesn't matter to me.
I don't really want to get into a stickering discussion here but...
I've never been against the PMRC and the idea of stickering since it's
essentially voluntary and is merely a variation of the movie rating
idea.  However, I do wish all the music labels would get together and
develop similar guidelines on this issue.  Each one stickers differently
for different reasons and I don't think the stickers are being used
as effectively as they could/should be.   I mean, there are some pretty
clear standards as to what makes a movie PG, or PG-13, or R or whatever.
But the stickering issue is so damn vague.  Sometimes stuff is
stickered, sometimes it's not...sometimes it's not at first, then in the
2nd pressing it is...etc.  Get on the ball with this already.

ah well.....I'm off to play "Gave Up" a few more times.


-- 
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  T-shirt. Every urge leads to something you can sit on. Every impulse
  ends up as something you can hang your hat on!" - Shriekback
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From: wesley@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Wesley HRJ Gaus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NIN's Fixed- where is it?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:26:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec16.004509.33317@watson.ibm.com> saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
>Kyle writes:
>
>|> is anybody else having trouble finding it? I've
>|> been to most of the music stores in town and nobody's got it.
>
>Yeah, I can't find it either!!  This is killing me!
>For those of you in the NYC area (tri-state), where have you found it?
>What stores are carrying NIN's _Fixed_?  I've tried a bunch of places,
>including big names like Tower and HMV.  I don't mind driving to get this, as
>long as it's relatively reasonable.  
>
>|> kyle c schiebel
>

Heh heh! I found it in Sam Goody's in Philadelphia. They only had the
cassette version and it was $5.99- not a bad deal. Its definitely out there!
If you are really a true NIN fan, you may want to hop on over to Phily.
Its only a 2 hour drive from NYC. Yeah, go take I95 West across NJ, then 
take the exit to 130 South and connect to 295 south. Then happily 
take 33 west and go over the Ben Franklin Bridge. It may get confusing here
so just be careful to watch for signs to I-676 West- take this and get off at 
30tth Street Station- then go find 34th and chestnut and you will see
a Sam Goodies right by there!! Go in it and say "I just came all the way from
NY to get NIN-fixed. Do you have it?" They will say "Yes indubitally indeed!"
and then you must dig in your pocket for $$$ and ye shall have NIN-fixed!!!!
So simple!!! Go ahead and do it! The album is very good and well worth the trip. I think its better than broken. Have fun and take an economical car for god's
sake.   8-)  ]8-)

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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Record Speeds (was Re: What a joke)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:00:14 GMT

In article <ben.724212806@ipoint> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
>howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
>
>>well, maybe on 33 rpm instead of 45....
>
>The first time I hear the Severed Heads "All Saints Day" it was the
>12" single on 33rpm.  Yow!  I wish my CD player could do that.  Or the
>CD version should contain both normal and slowed-down mixes of the
>song...
>
The DJ at the club I used to go to when I was 17 used to play "I Love
You" by Yello at 33 instead of 45.  It's really really cool at that
speed.  It got me addicted to trying it whenever I bought a 45 rpm
single.  Unfortunately, most songs don't work out that well.


-Howard
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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: ClockDVA-Advantage CD for sale
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:27:23 GMT

ClockDVA `Advantage` CD for sale.

Nothing like Buried Dreams or Man-Amplified.
More Jazzy and Instrumental. I hate It.

First Person to shell out $8 (includes shipping) gets it.

Jester
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From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: Re: What a joke
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:15:15 GMT

Joe, 

 If you Can't tell the difference between Ogre's voice and Sasha's, 
there could very well be something WRONG with you. That's right,
the two sound nothing alike. For One, Sasha has a German Accent.
Ogre doesn't.  Ogre sings stream-of-consciousness. Sasha doesn't.
But, both Ogre and Sasha have the ability to convey some sense of
feeling/emotion through their voices and lyrics, which is why they
have both succeeded in singing on Many different albums. 
 Bill Leeb, on the other hand, uses many different types of effects
while singing, but he's desperately trying to Imitate Ogre and others.
That, and he can't come up with a decent lyric(that I've heard, at least)
 On the effects note, I noticed that Ogre sang with very little 
processing at the pigface show last month, and it sounded wonderfvl.

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
phone sex keeps the drive alive
 
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