From: rgoers@gumdrop.Xerox.COM (Ron Goers)
Subject: Re: Don't just whine about media bias. Do something!
Organization: Imaging Science Engineering & Technology, Xerox Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:22:33 GMT

In article <adams.717777688@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>rgoers@gumdrop.Xerox.COM (Ron Goers) writes:
>
>>In article <adams.717438740@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <syl.717230669@bcserv> syl@bcserv.wustl.edu (Syl the Wallydraigle) writes:
>>>>>chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Official Astro Boy Virus expert)  writes:
>>
>
>>True! I'm pro-choice. Yes, I agree that a woman should have a choice, and she 
>>DOES!  She can choose to get pregnant, or not to.  Her so-called right to 
>>choice, should however, disappear as soon as it involves another human being.
>"Sex" == "consent to prgnancy" eh?  Sorry, but that doesn't work.  What
>about cases of rape and/or incest?  That woman has NO choice as to whether
>or not she becomes preganant.


Would you support a ban on abortion for ALL cases which do NOT involve rape or incest?  (Don't cry rape/incest to me, that is a favorite of pro-aborts, when in fact less than 1% of abortions performed are done for these reasons.)


>And for that matter, assume for a moment that a woman is on the pill, uses
>a diaphragm, spermicide and the man uses a condom with nonoxyl-9.  She
>gets pregant.  I hardly think she CONSENTED to pregancy...(Granted this is
>perhaps a stretch, but I wanted to make the point).

... stretch it a little further, have her use a know effective method ...

This may seem foreign to you, but it falls under the choice category.  "A woman does not have sex, and so she doesn't get pregnant!"  

Let's face it, the ONLY fail-safe birth control known is abstainence.  If 'she' chooses to use a form which is less reliable, that's her fault.  If you want to hear music, you've got to pay the piper!  It is sad that abortion (in 98% of reported cases) is used as birth control because the woman did not want to use an effective method of birth control.  Why should the baby suffer for her stupid decision?  Many babies could live at the age they are aborted.  That's sad, and there is no excuse, since there IS







 a method of birth control available which is 100% effective.


In regard to fetus/baby;

I see our views on life and death differ greatly.  When my youngest was born (over six weeks early), I got a first-hand look at a neo-natal intensive care unit.  It's real hard to look at all the premature babies and realize that they are safe only because they are outside their mother's bodies.  I can't support killing any living baby for any reason!  I'll leave it at that, and "agree to disagree" with you.


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>>Ron Goers @ Xerox Corporation           Email: rgoers@iset.scan.mc.xerox.com
>Another person who confuses sex with intent to reproduce.

I enjoy sex as much as the next person!  And no, I don't confuse it with intent to reproduce.  You see, after I had my third child (well, not me, but my wife had her) not wanting to have any more, I sought out a reliable source of birth control to be sure there weren't any more little monsters added to my immediate family.  I visited Dr. chop-it-and-tie-knots-in-it an presto! ... it's been over two years of worry-free and wonderful sex.  So, do you still think I confuse sex with the intent to reproduce?  R







esponsible adults make responsible decisions!  Why should I condone an "easy way out" for the irresponsible ones?

rlg
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