From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:49:44 GMT

In article <12164@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <8255.1189@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>> In article <Bu1y3B.66q@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>> >It writes:
># #:Or maybe I will take the collection of garbage I've been collecting
># #:from soc.motss and turn it over to Lou Sheldon at the Traditional
># #:Values Coalition and the Yes on 9 campaign in Oregon.  You know what
># #:powerful ammunition this stuff is for their side.
># #
># #:Do I make myself clear?
># #
># #Wonderful. 
># #
># #A few harass him. So he decides to help exterminate us all.
># #
># #A man of conviction and true justice.
># #
># #Lovely.
># #							FJ!! 
># 
># As I have stated in the past...Cramer, IMHO, is trying to foment
># civil unrest...this should be evident by his postings.
># GRanted this is (so far) a free environment for the exchange
># of ideas and philosophies. And as such anyone can get on here
># and state their case.  BUT when their constant raving becomes
># a tool designed to instigate racism against one group, then
>
>Racism?  What are you talking about?  Homosexuals are a race?
>
># that person is fomenting civil unrest. As such, the fomenting
># of civil unrest can be prosecuted in a court of law.  The only
># road block one would have is to prove that this is what the
># person is trying to do.
># 
># Are there any legal begals on this group that can comment
># further?
># 
># Len
>
>A true liberal -- Mr. Bucuvalas believes that the correct
>response to free speech is jail time.

First bud, let's get off this bloody Rush Limbaugh platform.
There are no such things as liberals and conservatives...or
republicans and democrats. You've got to get it straight that
there are only those humans who wish peace and productivity
vesrsus those humans who wish a return to a feudal state.

IF that specific *subject* of said free speech can be proven to
have fomented civil unrest...yes....jail time it is Mr. Cramer.
And it won't be me who puts you there...it will be them and I'm
not talking about the gay community.

In my opinion bud, with this being a general focal point area
for the national gay community, I am surprised that you are
still *physically* able to use your hands....you'r running a
giant risk and you know it.  I admire and respect your
insistance on not changing your views due to the fact that
nooone has sufficiently proven to you that you are wrong in
taking this view point.

But I say to you, YOU are playing the game the establishment
wants you to play. You have been subtley channelled into this
mode of thought and behavior. AND if you are every bit as
intelligent as you imply yourself to be, you would want to do
even more reading to find out IF you are indeed being used,
albeit unwitingly, as a behavioral modification tool for the New
World Order.

If you're really intent on improving society, you'll realize that
I *may* be right.....and this begs the ??? from you, "what
reading?"...glad you asked...I have a little info that *you*
might be interested in...

>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
>prohibition won't work.

Len

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