From: nguyend@netcom.com (Quang Dinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: My answer to BK
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: nguyend@netcom.com



       


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 BK wrote :

Hello Mr. Nguyen Thanh Binh @ uiuc.edu 

Thank you for your forwarding email service, I read the response from Mr. 
Quang Ddi.nh with smiling. I think he is sincere in expressing his belief 
on the issue. But don't you see the reflection of a fanatic religious person? 
such as "I am right and you are wrong". "Tui HHHG ddu+o+.c ta.i vi` tui co' 
chi'nh nghi~a ("...Pha?i co' 1 lu+.c lu+o+.ng na`o ddo' la`m trung gian cho 
chuye^.n HHHG ...", QD)  co`n ma^'y ngu+o+`i kho^ng ddu+o+.c HHHG vi` ma^'y 
ngu+o+`i ngu.y bie^.n, gia? do^'i" - 

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 My reply :


  Tui hy vo.ng la` tui se~ tro+? tha`nh 1 ke? Fanatic religious one
  nhu+ng so sad, i can not do. Co' le~ dde^'n ga^`n cuo^'i ddo+`i (vi`
  khi ngu+o+`i ta ca`ng ve^` gia` thi` tinh tha^`n to^n gia'o ca`ng ma.nh)
  to^i se~ tro+? tha`nh nhu+ va^.y.      

   Co`n ne^'u no'i tui la` ke? Fanatic religious one va` chi? nghi~ to^n
  gia'o mi`nh la` nha^'t thi` sorry! Tui chu+a ddu+o+.c xe^'p va`o ha.ng
  ddo' du` tui co' muo^'n trong that list. Vi` cho du` tui la` da^n CG
  nhu+ng tui va^~n tin va`o Pha^.t, Tro+`i,etc... Tui va^~n tin co' Nha^n-
  Qua? . Va` tui kho^ng chu? tru+o+ng su+. tho^'ng tri. to^n gia'o na`y
   ddo^'i vo+'i 1 to^n gia'o kha'c. Va` cu~ng cho^'ng ddo^'i dde^'n cu`ng
  nhu+~ng mu+u toan du`ng to^n gia'o dde^? chia re~ ca? dda.i kho^'i da^n
  to^.c ( O+? ddie^?m na`y thi` tui nha^.n tui la` ke? Cu+.c Ddoan. Nhu+ng
  co' gi` sai tra'i dda^u khi Cho^'ng Ddo^'i Chu? Tru+o+ng DU`NG TO^N GIA'O
  DDE^? CHIA RE~ TOA`N THE^? DA^N TO^.C VIE^.T NAM ).


    Khi chi. no'i tui la` Fanatic religious person  va^.y chi. co'
  nghi~ chi. la` Fanatic anti- catholic person hay kho^ng ???  Qua
  nhu+~ng ba`i chi. post on SCV ( & Viet-net ho^`i xu+a ) ngu+o+`i ta
  co' the^? nha^.n tha^'y ddie^`u na`y. Ma` tui dda^u no'i la` chi.
  thuo^.c loa.i Fanatic dda^u.

   Khi chi. no'i tui la` Fanatic person thi` chi. co' nghi~ la` ke?
  kha'c cu~ng nghi~ chi. la` ke? Fanatic one. Vi` trong suo^'t tho+`i
  gian qua, chi. luo^n luo^n chu? tru+O+ng Ta^.p Ho+.p Mo+'i, HHHG
  Chi. luo^n luo^n ti`m ca'ch be^nh vu+.c cho la^.p tru+o+`ng cu?a chi.
  Ddo' la` quye^`n cu?a chi. ( tui dda^u co' no'i chi. la` Cu+.c Ddoan
  dda^u). Co`n tui kho^ng ddo^`ng y' la^.p tru+o+`ng HHHG kho+i kho+i
  ddo' la` quye^`n cu?a tui (  sao chi. la.i no'i tui la` Cu+.c Ddoan.?)
  No'i va^.y tho^i! Chi. go.i tui la` ca'i gi` ddi nu+~a ma` tui kho^ng
  nghe hay ddo.c tha^'y thi` tui cha<?ng co' care. Co`n khi tui ddo.c
  ddu+o+.c nhu+~ng lo+`i na`y va` tha^'y kho^ng ho+.p ly' thi` tui se~
  reply la.i. Co`n ne^'u ddu'ng thi` OK! Fair game ma`!


   Co`n  chi. no'i tui dda.i kha'i la` : Ddo`i chi? co' mi`nh mo+'i
  HHHG ddu+o+.c co`n ke? kha'c thi` kho^ng..
 
  Thi` xin lo^~i chi., chi. nghi~ la^`m ro^`i vi` :
 
 Ba^y gio+` dda^y, tui  cha<?ng ddu+'ng dda^`u hay tham du+. trong ca'c vu.
 HHHG va^.y la`m sao tui la.i ddo`i " Tui mo+'i co' quye^`n HHHG co`n ca'c
 ngu+O+`i thi` kho^ng "  ???


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 BK wrote :

Well, I wish he know the difference between "Ho`a Ho+.p Ho`a Gia?i Da^n 
To^.c" and "Tho?a Hie^.p Chi'nh Tri." - Cu`ng la` muo^'n HHHG nhu+ng ddo^'i 
tu+o+.ng va` ddo^.ng co+ kha'c nhau - Ddo^'i tu+o+.ng dde^? "HHHG Da^n 
To^.c" la` nhu+~ng tha`nh pha^`n, bo^. pha^.n qua^`n chu'ng co' ma^u thua^~n 
vo+'i nhau - Ddo^'i tu+o+.ng dde^? "Tho?a Hie^.p Chi'nh Tri." la` nhu+~ng 
lu+.c lu+o+.ng chi'nh tri.ddang na<'m quye^`n hoa<.c muo^'n na<'m quye^`n - 

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   My reply :

  Of course! I know it!

   Da^n to^.c na`o cu~ng dde^`u co' ma^u thua^~n trong no^.i bo^., kho^ng
 nhie^`u thi` i't. Cu~ng nhu+ trong 1 nha` va^.y. Dda^u pha?i ta^'tca?
  mo.i ngu+O+`i cu`ng co' 1 y' kie^'n hay suy nghi~ gio^'ng he^.t nhau dda^u
Ddo' la` hie^.n tu+o+.ng tu+. nhie^n. Ngay chi'nh chu'ng ta co`n co' lu'c
ma^u thua^~n vo+'i chi'nh mi`nh kia ma`.
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   BK wrote :
A` ma` la. ca'i nu+~a la` muo^'n cu+'u nguy To^? Quo^'c la.i kho^ng dde^'m 
xi?a gi` dde^'n su+'c ma.nh cu?a toa`n da^n la.i muo^'n ddi nho+` va? 
ngoa.i bang , nha^'t la` ca'i thu+' ngoa.i bang dda~ co' truye^`n tho^'ng 
xa^m thu+.c va<n ho'a va` ho+.p ta'c vo+'i nhu+~ng dde^' quo^'c kha'c dde^? 
ddu+o+.c che cho+? ha^`u co' the^? pha't trie^?n the^' lu+.c toa`n ca^`u 
cu?a mi`nh - Chi'nh nghi~a thay !!!!

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  My reply :

   Hi` hi`! Tui vo+'i chi. dda~ tu+`ng ddo^'i thoa.i qua la.i tre^n SCV 
lai rai. Tui cu~ng co' post nhu+~ng articles co' lie^n quan to+'i quan
 ddie^?m cu?a tui ve^` va^'n dde^` VN . Va^.y chi? ha~y cho mo.i ngu+o+`i
tha^'y ( qua my articles) tui chu? tru+o+ng nho+` va? ngoa.i bang va`
kho^ng dde^'m xi?a su+'c ma.nh cu?a toa`n da^n ddi ???

  Nhu+ng tui co' the^? cho mo.i ngu+o+`i tha^'y ( qua your articles)
chi. la` 1 ngu+o+`i luo^n luo^n ti`m ca'ch dda'nh pha' 
Co^ng gia'o. Nhu+ va^.y trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p chi., pha?i go.i chi.
la` gi` dda^y ??? A Fanatic anti-Catholic person ????


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 BK wrote :


A little dissapoint on his denying the fact that our people (both at home 
and oversea) in need of compromise and understanding ("...Ca' nha^n to^i 
cha<?ng thu` oa'n gi` vo+"i ddo^`ng ba`o cu?a to^i ca? cho ne^n to^i dda^u 
ca^`n HHHG vo+'i da^n to^.c to^i..... Ngoa`i ra kho^ng co' ba^'t cu+' su+. 
thu` ha<`n giu+~a ca'c ta^`ng lo+'p da^n chu'ng VN ...", QD) - Taking a 
personal case to judge the whole situation is a symptom of vision stucks at 
the end of the nose.

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  My reply :

  Well!

  Co' the^? chi. gio?i ho+n tui, ddo.c sa'ch nhie^`u ho+n tui, co' ca'i
 nhi`n sa^u ro^.ng ho+n tui cho ne^n chi. nhi`n ra ddu+o+.c ca'i-go.i-la`
 Ta^.p Ho+.p Mo+i, HHHG da^n to^.c . etc. Co`n tui va^~n nhu+ ke? mu`
 ddi giu+~a dde^m 30 Te^'t :-)
 
   Tui cha<?ng co' gi` ma` worry ca? ! Kho^ng bie^'t thi` tui ho.c the^m
Tui cha<?ng muo^'n tha`nh  Fanatic person :-)))



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 BK wrote :

If we do have peace among our beloved people then Ho+.p Lu+u and Tra<m Con 
won't be attacked and criticized that much severe for their introducing 
LITERATURE of ALL Vietnamese writers. There won't be battle between Du+o+ng 
Thu Hu+o+ng and Thu.y Khue^. There won't be threatening and libel toward 
people advocate the idea of Ta^.p Ho+.p Mo+'i - There won't be separation of 
South and North Vietnamese refugee in the camp. There won't be fighting 
between people honor co+` va`ng ba so.c and people honor co+` ddo? sao va`ng, 
remember EACH flag is honored by ALMOST half of the population (does anyone 
dare to wave co+` ddo? sao va`ng in downtown San Jose? does anyone dare to 
wave co+` va`ng ba so.c in Saigon?)  ....


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 My reply :

  Chi. dda~ la^`m la^~n Hi`nh thu+'c ( nhu+~ng hie^.n tu+O+.ng xua^'t
hie^.n o+? be^` ma<.t ) va` Ba?n cha^'t ( nhu+~ng ca'i gi` thu+.c su+.
la` ca' ti'nh, ba?n nga~ ). Na`y nha!

    Chi. co' nghi~ la` xu+' My~ la` xu+' so+? thanh bi`nh ??? Di~
nhie^n chu'ng ta kho' co' the^? cho^'i ca~i ddu+o+.c ddie^`u na`y.
Va^.y chu'ng ta dda^u co' the^? du`ng vu. Riot o+? Los Angeles vu+`a
qua dde^? ma` no'i la` : Xu+' My~ co' loa.n, ca^`n Hoa` Ho+.p Hoa`
Gia?i da^n to^.c

   Vu. ddo^`ng ba`o ti. na.n Ba<'c-Nam co' xo^ xa't nhau du+~ to+.n
xa?y ra o+? HK , ne^'u chu'ng ta nhi`n sa^u va^'n dde^` ho+n 1 chu't
thi` chu'ng ta se~ kho^ng  tha^'y va^`n dde^` na<`m o+? chuye^.n chia
re~ ba<'c -nam. Ma` do  pha^`n lo+"n chi'nh la` do policy cu?a
My~ va` ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c ddo^'i vo+'i ti. na.n .
Tui ddu+a ra ly' do :

  1) Vu. xa?y ra lo^.n xo^.n la`  do Ganh Ti.( ma` ganh ti. la` ba?n
  cha^'t bi`nh thu+o+`ng cu?a ta^'t ca? mo.i con ngu+O+`i kho^ng pha^n
  bie^.t ma`u da, sa<'c to^.c, to^ngia'o, gio+"i ti'nh). Su+. Ganh Ti.
  na`y ddu+O+.c kho+i ma`o tu+` phia' chi'nh quye^`n MY~. Vi` chi'nh quye^`n
  My~ chi? co' nha^.n nhu+~ng da^n ti.na.n mie^`n Nam chu+' kho^ng nha^.n
  da^n ti. na.n mie^`n Ba<'c ( ne^'u co' nha^.n thi` ho. chi? nha^.n 1
  so^' nho? tho^i ). Ne^'u ai dda~ tu+`ng so^'ng o+? ca'c tra.i ti. na.n
  va` tra?i qua tho+`i gian cho+` ddo+.i mo?i mo`n ma` kho^ng co' nu+o+'c
  na`o nha^.n trong khi co' nhu+~ng ke? mo+'i to+'i 1 tho+`i gian la` ddi
 ca'i a`o, thi` ca'c ngu+o+`i na`y se~ hie^?u ta^m tra.ng Ganh Ti. no'
 nhu+ the^' na`o . Chu'ng ta cu~ng pha?i nho+' ra<`ng, nhu+~ng vu. lo^.n
 xo^.n o+?  tra.i HK chi? xa?y ra sau na`y , khima` ca'c tra.i o+? HK
 bi. bie^'n tha`nh tra.i ca^'m, nha` tu` va` su+. cha^'p nha^.n cho ddi
 ddi.nh cu+ o+? ca'c nu+o'c thu+' 3 bi. gia?m su't ro~ re^.t. Co`n khi
  ca'c trai. ti. na.n HK trong ca'c na<m   chu+a bi. tha`nh tra.i ca^'m
 ma` da^n ti. na.n co`n ddu+O+.c quye^`n ra ngoa`i la`m vie^.c kie^'m tie^`n
 bo? tu'i hay gu+?i ve^` nha` thi` HK lu'c ddo' ddu+O+.c coi nhu+ Thie^n
 Dda`ng cu?a ke? ti. na.n, dda^u co' chuye^.n xung ddo^.t Ba<'c -Nam
 nhu+ nhu+~ng na<m sau na`y

 
 2) Trong 1 ta^m tra.ng nhu+ va^.y , trong ddie^`u kie^.n so^'ng tu` tu'ng,
 depress nhU+ va^.y thi`
 ( chu'ng ta pha?i nho+' la` ha^`u he^'t
  da^n chu'ng mie^`n Ba<'c o+? tra.i HK pha?i cho+` ddo+.i ca? 1 tho+`i
  gian kha' da`i mo+'i ddu+o+.c cho ddi ddi.nh cu+ chu+' kho^ng ddu+o+.c
  u+u tie^n nhu+ da^n mie^`n Nam) , ne^'u co' su+. tra` tro^.n, pha' hoa.i
  va` xu'i du.c cu?a ca'c pha^`n tu+? xa^'u ( thi' du. ca'n bo^. Vie^.t
  co^.ng ddu+o+.c gu+?i theo ddoa`n ti. na.n dde^? pha' hoa.i va` xu'i
  ba^?y ,ta.o ra su+.lo^.n xo^.n , uy'nh lo^.n trong trai. . VC la`m vie^.c
  na`y vo+"i mu.c ddi'ch gi` ??? ca^u tra? lo+`i la` : Dde^? cho the^'
  gio+'i tha^'y la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ti. na.n kho^ng pha?i la` nhu+~ng
  ngu+o+`i ra ddi ti. na.n vi` politic ma` chi? la`nhu+~ng tha`nh pha^`n
  ra ddi vi` kinh te^', hay nhu+~ng tha`nh pha^`n tro^.m ca<'p ra'c,ru+o+?i
  lu+O+`i bie^'ng lao ddo^.ng va` ham bo+ su+~a xu+' la.)  thi` chi? ca^`n
  va`i ca^u la he't, va`i su+. xi'ch mi'ch cho^~ na<`m, da`nh nhau xo^
 nu+o+'c la` co' the^?ta.o ra ca<ng tha<?ng va` xung ddo^.t. Ke^'t qu?a
 la` nhu+~ng vu. xung ddo^.t Ba<'c Nam xa?y ra de^~ ra`ng . Tui dda~ tu+`ng
 o+? tra.i ti. na.n ne^n tha^'y ra<`ng su+. xung ddo^.t o+? tra.i ti. na.n
  ra^'t de^~ xa?y vi` ta^m tra.ng con ngu+o+`i o+? ddo' ra^'t de^~ depress
 Nhie^`u ke? o+? la^u ne^n ba^'t ca^`n ddo+`i, sa<~n sa`ng cho+i nhau xa? la'ng
 
 3) Trong su+. xung ddo^.t o+? tra.i HK, theo su+. to^' gia'c cu?a 1 so^'
  ngu+o+`i thi` chi'nh chi'nh quye^`n o+? HK ( ban gia'm ddo^'c tra.i) co'
  bao che cho nhu+~ng tha<`ng pha^`n ba^'t ha?o ( nhu+~ng te^n na`y o+?
   VN tu+`ng la` da^n anh chi., du dda~ng) dde^? ta.o ra nhu+~ng  xung
 ddo^.t, ca<ng tha<?ng  trong tra.i ha^`u la`m cho da^n ti. na.n lo a^u,cha'n
 na?n ma` xin Ho^`i Hu+o+ng Tu+. Nguye^.n


    Co`n Vu. du`ng la' co+` VC va` Vie^.t nam Co^.ng Hoa` thi` tui co'
 y' kie^'n nhu+ va^`y. Ne^'u co' ai du`ng la' co+` VN Co^.ng hoa` 
 o+? VN la` bi. ba<'t ngay. Ddu+o+ng nhie^n ro^`i nhu+ng ai ba<'t ho.
 ?????????? Chi'nh quye^`n VC se~ ba<'t ho. chu+' dda^u pha?i DA^N CHU'NG
 Vie^.t Nam ba<'t ho. . Va^.y la`m sao no'i la` co' MA^U THUA^~N trong
 kho^'i da^n to^.c ddu+o+.c. Pha?i no'i la` co' ma^u thua^~n giu+~a ngu+o+`i
 co^.ng sa?n la~nh dda.o va` toa`n the^? da^n to^.c VN mo+'i ddu'ng.  

    Co`n khi co' ngu+o+`i du`ng la' co+` VC o+? ha?i ngo.ai thi` dda^u
 co' ai ba<'t bo+' hay bo? tu` ho. dda^u. Ho. chi? co' bi. cho^'ng ddo^'i
 ma.nh me~ tho^i. Ne^'u co' ddu? gan thi` cu+' treo ne^'u kho^ng thi` tho^ii
 Mi`nh co' la^.p tru+O+`ng va` nghi~ la`ddu'ng thi` cu+' Go ahead!
  Bi. ngu+o+`i ta cho^'ng thi` ti`m mo.i ca'ch dde^? ddo+~ va` ba?o ,
 ve^., pha't trie^?n the^m nie^`m tin cu?a mi`nh ddi.

  Su+. cho^'ng ddo^'i la^.p tru+o+`ng, quan ddie^?m
 vo+"i nhau thi` la` chuye^.n thu+o+`ng . Co' da^n to^.c na`o ma` kho^ng
 co' nhu+ng xung kha<"c no^.i bo^. dda^u. Co'  xa~ ho^.i na`o la.i kho^ng
 co' su+. xung ddo^.t giu+~a ca'c ta^`ng lo+'p gia`u nghe`o, tuo^?i ta'c 
 etc... Ho. co' ca^`n ke^u go.i HHHK gia?i giu+~a ca'c ta^`ng lo+'p
 da^n  chu'ng kho^ng ????

   Co`n chi. nghi~ la` khi nhu+~ng nho'm cu?a chi. hay chi. quen bie^'t
 nhu+ Ta^.p Ho+.p Mo+'i, Tra<m Con, etc.. bi. cho^'ng ddo^'i vi` la^.p
  tru+o+`ng cu?a  ho. thi` co' nghi~a
 la` co' su+. ma^u thua^~n trong no^.i bo^. da^n to^.c sao ??? Sao chi.
 la.i ddu+a ra 1 ke^'t lua^.n qua' ddo+n gia?n khi no'i ve^` 1 va^'n
 dde^` to lo+'n la` da^n to^.c va^.y ?  Thu+? ho?i chi. o+? xu+" My~
 na`y, phe da^n chu? quan nie^.m la` Lo Cho Da^n Tru+o+'c, trong khi
 phe co^.ng hoa` chu? tru+o+ng pha?i Lo Ca? Ddo^'i No^.i La^~n Ddo^'i
 Ngoa.i. Va` trong ky` ba^`u cu+? to^?ng tho^'ng la^`n na`y ( va` nhu+~ng
 la^`n tru+O+'c ddo') , ca? 2 phe dde^`u ti`m mo.i thu? ddoa.n cho+i nhau
 sa't va'n. Va^.y chi. co' nghi~ la` da^n chu'ng My~ co' su+. ma^u thua^~n
 da^n to^.c va` ho. ca^`n pha?i HHHG vo+'i nhau kho^ng ???? Chi. co' nghi~
 la` phong tra`o Guy, phong tra`o Pro-choice , anti-abortion o+? My~
 ( Chi. ne^n nho+' la` pro-choice & anti-abortion cho^'ng ddo^'i nhau
 ra^'t la` ma~nh lie^.t, co' khi da`n qua^n ra bie^?u ti`nh cho^'ng nhau.
 Mang nhau ra ca? Media, Congress ma` cho^'ng nhau )  la` 1 ba<`ng chu+'ng
 co' su+. ma^u thua^~n giu+~a ca'c ta^`ng lo+'p da^n chu'ng My~. Nhu+ va^.y
 da^n My~ ca^`n pha?i HHHG vo+'i nhau kho^ng ???




   Trong xa~ ho^.i , ba^'t cu+' 1 tu+ tu+o+?ng , chu? tru+o+ng mo+'i na`o
 dde^`u ga<.p su+. cho^'ng ddo^'i he^'t . Theo tho+`i gian, chu? tru+o+ng
 na`o ma.nh, co' ddu? ly' le~ va` uy ti'n thi` ddu+o+ng nhie^n no' se~ to^`n
 ta.i, co`n ne^'u chi? la` 1 ca'i Mo^'t Tho+`i Thu+o+.ng hay chi? co' ti'nh
 ca'ch tuye^n truye^`n giai ddoa.n thi` tu+. ddo^.ng no' se~ bi. dda`o tha?i
  Chu? tru+o+ng HHHG, Ta^.p Ho+.p Mo+'i cu?a nho'm chi. theo dduo^?i thi`
 chi. cu+' la`m ddi. Ne^'u no' ddu? ma.nh va` uy ti'n va` ddu'ng thi` se~
 ddu+o+.c mo.i ngu+o+`i co^ng nha^.n ma`. Xin ddu+`ng vi` su+. cho^'ng ddo^'i
 cu?a ke? kha'c ma` chi. no'i ngu+o+`i ta la` Fanatic, va` co`n no'i the^m
 la` Co' Su+. Ma^u Thua^~n Trong Ca'c Ta^`ng Lo+'p Da^n To^.c ne^n ca^`n
 co' peace, co' HHHG.


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 BK wrote:


Here are just several in many many so obvious FACTS of hatred among 
Vietnamese... 

Anyhow, I had some fun. Thanks again for the forwarding message.

kb

BTW, How is BBV doing? I'd like to ask him if he still remember these 
sayings:

....

                  Ddu+`ng nghe nhu+~ng gi` chu'ng no'i
                  Ma` ha~y nhi`n nhu+~ng gi` chu'ng la`m

                  Vu+`a dda'nh tro^'ng vu+`a a<n cu+o+'p

or                Vu+`a a<n cu+o+'p vu+`a la la`ng 

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 My reply :
..
      He^'t y' kie^'n o+? dda^y :-))))

  Gooday!

nguyend
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