From: toroslu@eecs.nwu.edu (Ismail H. Toroslu)
Subject: Re: Germanya...
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:38:26 GMT

marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI) writes:
> In article <1992Mar27.074054.10292@eecs.nwu.edu> toroslu@eecs.nwu.edu (Ismail H. Toroslu) writes:

>>Turkey and its Turkish and Kurdish people? Why don't they give some
>
>Yes, sure, please forgive me. I had forgotten that it is so important
>to have weapons in order to prepare one's own future.
>

It is not the weapons my friend. They want to dictate on every affair
of Turkey and so many other countries in the world. For example
Germans were telling Turkey about Kurdish self determination rights and
autonomous Kurdish regions. It is none of their business. Kurds in
Turkey are Turkish citizens and they have all the rights of any
democratic country in the world. So, if we have a problem, we will
solve it. The Turkish and Kurdish people of Turkey will decide
on their future, not the Germans or other western people.

>>of their so valuable advises to some of their neighbours, let's say
>>to France about their minorities in Bask and Corsica or others, or even
>
>Being 25% Basque and 25% Corsican, I know what I am talking about.
>You don't. There is a difference between jailing terrorists, and
>bombing an entire population with foreign made aircraft.

How do you now that i don't know what i am talking about? Of course
I know more than you what is going on in Turkey. It is my country
man. I was born there, and lived there. All my family and friends live
in every part of my country. How long have you lived in Turkey?
Even have you ever met a Turk or Kurd? You western people all alike.
You are superiors probably, you know everything better than us, non-westerns.
You don't know bir bok and when you talk mangalda kul birakmiyorsunuz. Who told
you about bombing "entire population"? Do you have excellent
sources in Sirnak? Maybe you were visiting Cizre last month ha?

>>to the United Kingdom about Northern Ireland and Scotland? Why don't they
>>tell them what to do about the self determination rights of those minorities?
>
>United Kingdom is none of my business, but I don't think that Germany
>did tell you what to do. They didn't want you to use their weapons.
>If it is so vital for you, why don't you convince someone else to
>sell you arms ?

I am not talking about just the weapons. They can do with their weapons 
whatever they want. I am talking about their interfering to another
country's internal affairs. Germany is trying to be the boss over
Eastern Europa and ex-communist countries. Turkey is a rival country
for them. They will be very happy seeing Turkey with a lot trouble
so they will have more advantage. It is not becouse they love Kurds.
They gave all the weapons and even chemical gas to Mr. Saddam to
kill the Kurds, and they said nothing when he was killing innocent
Kurdish population of Iraq.

>>Why the hell all these Western governments and their poeple put 
>>their `brown' noses into all of the affairs of all 
>>the other countries in the world but each other's? Who the 
>
>Those countries are democracies. If they don't want to sell weapons
>to you, it is none of your damn business. Being a democracy does not 
>entitle them to intervene in other countries' policies, but it gives them
>the right to protest against them, and to make whatever is in their power
>to stop them. 

Those democracies are not just protesting other countries' human right
violations or trying to prevent it. They are doing whatever is
good for them. Why do you think your lovely democracy Germany is
pouring tens of billions of dollars to Russians but not giving even
one percent of it to the poor and starving people of Africa? Because
they cannot get anything out of it. Because the Africans are no threat
to them. Because they are not a big market either. 

>>hell gives them the right to tell Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Armenians,
>>Kurds, Indians, Greeks, Afgans, Israilies, Africans, and now
>
>The Kurds need noone to become aware that being bombed is not very
>pleasant.

The Kurds in Turkey are not bombed or killed or harmed anyway by
government. The terorists (PKK) are bombed and killed and destroyed
by the Turkish army. And if they continue their terrorist actions
they will be bombed and killed and destroyed. Are you against this? Why?

>>even to Russians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Poles and to the others what to do?
>>How come they solve their own problems by themselves but not the others?
>>Are they superiors? Why don't they leave us alone? These are our problems,
>>we will solve them in one way or another if they pull their dirty hands
>>over us. Why don't they go away and try to clean their dirty hands?
>
>Probably, they prefer to have their hands dirty rather than bloody...

We know whose hands more bloody than whose. 

Hakki