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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:35:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov15.212633.21@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>.....there are different ways to approach various situations and
>people. 

Sounds to me like there are folks that Noel will be able to reach that
Jason won't and vice versa.  Makes sense to me.  So what's the problem?

 
-- 
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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP)
Subject: Christian Music Business
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:32:20 GMT

Is anyone out there in netland part of the Christian music industry in
Nashville?  Work for a Christian company in Nashville?  Live around
Nashville?...

Just wondering...

- Todd
From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:37:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Nov9.225433.12665@eecs.nwu.edu> phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.103437.21080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:
>
>|>   What Christmas albums do people recommend?

Well, I just got the new Russ Taff Christmas album.  It is pretty good.
Major jazz influence.

Another is Duke Ellington's _Take_the_Holiday_Train_.  It has wonderful
big band versions of Christmas songs.

Also, I have a Peanuts Christmas album - I think it's called _Merry_Snoopy's_
Christmas_.  It's pretty funny.

Adios,
  Logan
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From: ktrgovac@fireworm.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Karin Trgovac)
Subject: Amy Grant's Old Xmas Album--Question
Organization: U of W E&CE
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:29:31 GMT

Does anyone know if Amy Grant's Old Christmas Album was released on CD??
I have looked all over and cannot find it.  Is there a mail order or
something.  Maybe the problem is that I'm in Canada.

Can anyone help??
Thanks.

Karin Trgovac
ktrgovac@davis.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: America (was Re: Rachel, Rachel)
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:27:36 GMT
 <1992Nov16.142824.12940@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1992Nov17.145518.7546@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

> I think one thing that may contribute to this legend is their song
> "Silver Cup".  The words to the popular version are:
> "Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
> And ride that highway in the sky" or something to that effect.
> I've since heard a version that sounds remarkably like the original,
> except the words are changed to:
> "Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
> And give your life to Jesus Christ".  I have no idea who sings this
> second version, but a friend of mine told me that the original words
> were actually the Jesus Christ version and they were changed to make
> it more popular.  Does anyone know the truth to this legend?
> 
> Paul Conditt
> 
Dan Peek rewrote the song after he became a Christian and re-recorded it as
"Lonely People" (which I think was the original title, as well) on one of his
solo albums in the late 80's.

Brian P. Roden
Leisure Arts, Inc.
Little Rock, AR
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: America (was Re: Rachel, Rachel)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:55:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: titan.1992Nov17.145518.7546
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Nov16.142824.12940@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>In article <676.UUL1.3#5131@mvac23.UUCP> thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp) writes:
> 
>>This made me think of another story I heard once.  I'd be interested
>>in knowing if there is any truth to it, or whether it is just an
>>Urban Legend.  I want to say I heard it from an interview with
>>one of the original band members, but I cannot recall now if it
>>was or not.
>>
>>Here's the story.  The rock group America were Christians at first
>>and prayed that if God would make them famous, they would use their
>>fame to spread His word.  Sure enough, their popularity increased
>>and at first they did stay true to their prayer.  However, as
>>popularity increased even more and they become very well known,
>>they forgot about their promise to God and just looked toward
>>themselves as the source of their fame.  But then, God also
>>saw that they broke their promise, and soon after their fame
>>and fortune took a turn downhill and they fell into obscurity
>>once again.
>>
>>Anyone else here this?
>
>I'd say it's more in the category of Urban Legend. 
>
>>                         - tom
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>Andy Whitman
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>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com

I think one thing that may contribute to this legend is their song
"Silver Cup".  The words to the popular version are:
"Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
And ride that highway in the sky" or something to that effect.
I've since heard a version that sounds remarkably like the original,
except the words are changed to:
"Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
And give your life to Jesus Christ".  I have no idea who sings this
second version, but a friend of mine told me that the original words
were actually the Jesus Christ version and they were changed to make
it more popular.  Does anyone know the truth to this legend?

Paul Conditt
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CHRISTMAS GIFT SUGGESTIONS?
From: cllangley@ualr.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:50:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Hello friends!  I have already posted this request but my subject did not
come through.  It is printed as <none>.  I am asking for Christmas gift 
suggestions.  If you have any unique ideas that are not very expensive
please pass it on.  

I appreciate your help!

God Bless,
Cindy                                         Cindy L. Langley
					      Box 696, 3101 S. Taylor
				              Little Rock, AR  72204
					      "CLLANGLEY@UALR.EDU"
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: America (was Re: Rachel, Rachel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:31:41 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> In article <676.UUL1.3#5131@mvac23.UUCP> thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp) writes:
>  
> >Here's the story.  The rock group America were Christians at first
> >and prayed that if God would make them famous, they would use their
> >fame to spread His word.  

> Dan, Dewey, and Gerry (minus a couple of folks from The Cyrkle) re-formed
> as America in 1970.  Their first album contained their biggest hit
> and probably best-known song ("Horse with No Name").  There's nothing
> blasphemous (or even mildly humorous) on the album, but on the
> other hand there's nothing to indicate that these guys were Christians
> either.  So the idea that they started out with the intention of 
> spreading God's word seems a little suspect to me.  

I didn't mean to imply that they were going to use their music to
witness with -- only that they were going to use their fame to be
known as "christians who play rock music" or somesuch.

> Dan Peek *did* become a Christian sometime in the late seventies, and

I think that it probably was an interview with Dan Peek that I
heard or read that indicated this.  Hmm.  Wonder if it might be
in one of my back issues of CCM?  Maybe I'll have to do some
digging one of these days...
                         - tom
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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM Urban Legend?  "A mighty Fortress" evolved a from drinking song
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:46:03 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
> I have heard in many places that "A Mighty Fortress" and other great hymns
> were set to the tunes of popular drinking songs of their day.  The idea
> is very appealing to all of us who are into Christian rock and want to 
> justify it to those who would say it's "of the Devil" or whatever.

A few years back the group Glad did a song which was said that many
hymns came from bar songs.  They did variations on a tune starting
with bar lyrics and leading up to their own version.  I wonder
if this was the distribution of the story (urban legend or fact)
                         - tom
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From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:20:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Nov16.132042.28
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kwolters@fred.wellesley.edu (Keith Wolters) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a big fan of The Call and when I heard that Russ Taff had done 
> a cover of their song "I Still Believe" I was interested in hearing 
> it. I have not yet heard it although I recently purchased another 
> of Russ Taff's CDs and really enjoy it.  Is there anyone who has 
> heard both versions of "I Still Believe" (and the version from the 
> soundtrack of "The Lost Boys" movie for that matter) and can 
> comment on which they like best?

i've heard both, and Russ Taff's is the better of the two. it seems
to be more rich & soulful. get the album (Russ Taff), it's a good
one all around, and still one of my favorites.

the Lost Boys soundtrack has a bunch of good songs, but they're
not the best versions by a long shot. the theme song, in particular,
was done on another album (and now i can't remember who did it either),
and it was -much- better than the one on the Lost Boys CD.

jason

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From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:44:15 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <0qx172p@rpi.edu>, mooras@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Steve 'War Axe' Mooradian) writes:
> 
> Have I got averybody's attention? Well...... listen up!
> 

Not to demean your sentiments about using the Word as a vehicle for satire -
some of us were amused and some of us were not amused by the post - but
I would like to ask you - Have you been made moderator of this group?  Since
this group is open to public opinion, I think that this means that people
of all backgrounds, beliefs, and opinions can post to it.  I guess that we
hope that through the title, discussion will be about Christian music...
something which happens about 50% of the time.  You aren't forced to read
anything on the net, though.  If you are truly offended, perhaps it's because
you chose to read something which you knew was going to offend you.

Peace in Christ,
Joe Karolchik

-- My opinion is not my employer's fault.
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What's good in Rap Music??
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:58 CST
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

paiz@Ingres.COM writes...
>solbercj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes...
>>Hello!  I am interested in finding out if a lot of you like any Christian rap.
> 
>The newest one from SFC is pretty good. Also, you might want to try PID, 
>Dynamic Twins, XL, Apocalyps (sp?). These groups are hard rap (except XL). 
>I personally don't consider DC talk to be any good, but you want to give them
>a listen.

I would suggest checking out....
Apocalypse   _Holiness or Hell_ and their new one (don't know the title)
SFC   _Phase Three_ and _A Saved Man (in the Jungle)_
Freedom of Soul   _Freedom of Soul_  (this is mellower dance/house rap)
12th Tribe   _Knowledge is the Tree of Life_ and their new one 
Native Son and the Foundation  (forgot the album title)
IDOL King  _Explosion: 2000_
perhaps PID's newer album

That's all I can think of right now (that I'd suggest). I like hardcore stuff
better in general, so most of the above will tend to have an 'edge' to the
music.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cb23209@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Buchholz )
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:49:52 GMT

what exactly is industrial music, you ask?

well, well,....
I can describe that in 5 words!


NOISE
PIPES BANGING TOGETHER
ANTI-MELODIC
DISTORTED VOCALS
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE IN A CONSTRUCTION AREA.

well, that's about it....it's kinda stereotypical....but i couldn't
post a 'real' response like the first response to this...i just can't
take myself that seriously....

bye the way, if you're looking for good christian industrial 
check out global wave syste
(oh wait i forgot we're banned)

see ya
c. William Buchholz

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Krupicka)
Subject: Re: CHORD MUSIC FOR PRAISE SONGS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:57:29 GMT

jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart) writes:
>	Has anyone ever posted praise songs with chords so a guitarist
>like myself could learn some praise songs?  

Yup. Usually its in CHORD format which is more like:
(I still need copyright info for this one. Does anyone know the Publisher,
Author, etc of this song)

{title:House Of The Lord}

[Intro:Esus-E-Esus-E]
[Esus]I love to live in your [E]house, O Lord.
[Esus]I love to be here at your [E]feet,
[F#m]And let your words be the [E]food I eat,
The [F#m]food... I [E]eat.

[Esus]I love to live in your [E]house, O Lord.
[Esus]To dine at your table with my [E]King,
[F#m]And give to you the [E]praise I bring,
The [F#m]praise....I [E]bring.

{soc}
For here in your [G#m]house,
I find your em[C#m]brace.
You set on my [A]head.
A garland of [B]grace.
When I lift my [G#m]hands,
You fill me with [C#m]more,
O I love to [F#m]live [A]in the [Am]house of the [Esus:verse--E:end]Lord.
{eoc}

[End:E C#]          O I love to [F#]live... [A]in the [Am]house of the Lord.
[E-Esus-E-Esus-E]

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP)
Subject: Re: Geoff Moore & the Distance
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.184512.29156@viewlogic.com> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>
>
>Just recently got their new CD "A Friend Like U".  It is the first
>recording of their's that I have heard and I *really* like it.  I
>was wondering if there are other fans of them in netland that would
>let me know something about them and their previous recordings, 
>cause I'm interested in getting some moore.  :-)
>
>Thanks!!!
>-- 
>
>Tim Foster 
>E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com 

Geoff Moore is Great!  His last CD was "Pure and Simple", which was a 
little bit mellower than "A Friend Like U".  "Foundations" was before that.
It is pretty good, but not as good as AFLU.  Before "Foundations" was
"A Place to Stand" which is my favorite and most like "Pure and Simple".
By the way - Geoff is best friends and neighbors with Steven Curtis Chapman.
You'll notice that they co-author many songs together on both of their
cds.

- Todd


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From: sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley)
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:26:10 GMT

In article <SCHOUTEN.92Nov16135723@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.163126.5418@en.ecn.purdue.edu> sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley) writes:
>> I always thought it was Grandma Daugherty.  Could be wrong though.
>Whozzat?

Derri Daugherty's (Lead vox & guitar) Grandma
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From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whiteheart in Huntsville, AL ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:26:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov19.173345.28745@news.duc.auburn.edu> hendefd@mail.auburn.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone have any details on the Whiteheart/Rachel Rachel concert
>that's supposed to be in Huntsville, AL this weekend?  I have a friend
>in Huntsville who has called radio stations and bookstores and no one
>seems to have heard anything about it.
 
Yeah, if anyone knows about this, can you post REALLY SOON?  I want to
go, but i need info before i drive to Huntsville from Atlanta tomorrow.

Thanks

JRjr
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through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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From: musicman@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Rebholz)
Subject: Re: Mentioning "God" on the radio
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:36:02 GMT

In <1er6muINNica@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> comm117@unixg.ubc.ca (Chin) writes:

>(3) I was told that Hammer used to play for a Christian rap group.  What
>    do you guys know about this?

He has done several things with Bebe and Cece Winans.  I don't know that he
has been with a Christian group full time though.

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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: TANGENT-Reconciliation
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:29:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.185904.18405@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
|> 
|> There is room for disagreement
|> in the body of Christ, but no room for division.

This reminded me of a passage I read for the first time this past week
that seemed to relate to the disagreements on this group...

   "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on
    disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything,
    but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.  The
    man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not,
    and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man
    who does, for God has accepted him.  Who are you to judge someone
    else's servant?  To his own master he stands or falls.  And he
    will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."  Rom 14:1-4

It goes on like this through part of Chapter 15, where it says,

   "May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a
    spirit of unity amoung yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, so
    that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father
    of our Lord Jesus Christ. Accept one another, then, just as Christ
    accepted you, in order to bring praise to God."  Rom 15:5-7

I'm no biblical scholar, but the message seemed pretty clear to me.

In Christ,
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kwolters@fred.wellesley.edu (Keith Wolters)
Subject: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Keywords: Russ Taff Call
Organization: Wellesley College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:15:40 GMT

Hi,

I am a big fan of The Call and when I heard that Russ Taff had done a
cover of their song "I Still Believe" I was interested in hearing it.
I have not yet heard it although I recently purchased another of Russ
Taff's CDs and really enjoy it.  Is there anyone who has heard both
versions of "I Still Believe" (and the version from the soundtrack of
"The Lost Boys" movie for that matter) and can comment on which they
like best?

Keith
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Wellesley College
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