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From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: questions on skating technique
Date: 8 Oct 1992 02:09:13 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: skating, stroking, technique

In article <35651@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
(George Robbins) writes:
>In article <ld7b88INNldv@news.bbn.com> ado@bbn.com (Buz Owen) writes:
>> 
>> I have often read on this list, and elsewhere, the following two bits
>> of advice:
>> 
>>    a) when stroking, push directly to the side, not back and to the
>>       side, and
>> 
>>    b) place your foot directly under you, or even a little beyond
>>       that, when starting a new stroke.
>> 
>> On point a, I don't see that there would be any loss of efficiency if
>> the push was angled somethat back.  The sideways component of your
>> push works against the angle of the blade to produce a forward force,
>> and the backward component of your push should produce forward force
>> directly.  
>
>When skating casually, you can do all kinds of fun things, but for
>speed you want to remember that your skate are mechanically working
>as an inclined plane.  Force exerted to the side allow a fairly short
>movement to result in a long forward travel.  Just pushing back means
>you foot is trying to move as fast as you are moving forward, resulting
>in faster leg motion and lower efficiency.
>
>On thing to note is that some of these things are somewhat crude
>descriptions that serve as mnemonic aids.  If you think about thrusting
>to the side, then you will incline your efforts in the right direction.

Yes, obviously if you pushed exactly sideways, you would get no
forward movement at all, and either just scrape your pushing skate
across the surface, or fall over in the opposite direction.

Another way to think about it:  The path of your pushing foot is the
hypotenuse (c) of a right triangle in which (a) is the distance your
body moves forward, and (b) is the distance your pushing foot moves to
the side.

	__b__
	|   /
   /\ a	|  / c
   ||	| /
	|/

The length of (b) is limited by the length of your leg, so you want to
get the maximum length of (a) for your particular (b).  Therefore, you
want to make the angle between (a) and (c) as small as possible.  You
do this by pushing to the side as much as possible (since in pushing
straight sideways your foot would be parallel to the gliding foot,
whereas in pushing straight back it would be perpendicular).

I think, though, that this is easier to do when you already have some
forward momentum.  I find that I push much more to the back in getting
going from a stand-still.  It seems as though speed skaters do the
same.

Sorry if this is too math-oriented for some of you.  I never listened
to my Barbie doll.
From: dvolansk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Volansky)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Where to blade in South Bay Area?
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:58:26 GMT
Organization: ISST - HP Corporate Offices

/ hpcc01:rec.skate / amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton) /  9:49 am  Oct  5, 1992 /
> Somebody told me that on Wednesday evenings, a large group skate happens
> at Stanford.  Anybody have any details on this (when, where, etc...).  I
> believe this is put on by the skate shop Nuevo Colors...
> ----------
> 
The group meets at the Main Quad at about 7:15pm.  The best place to locate
them is in the parking lot at the end of Palm/University Ave or on the stairs
near the lot - you can't miss them - the group usually numbers in the 30s to 40s
this time of year (more in summer, less in the rain - yes, they go in the rain).

The group is very informal and doesn't really have a starting time or leader.
As it's getting darker, they're leaving earlier and earlier.

The ride usually goes until about 9 or 9:30 and includes some favorite jumping
spots on campus and a ride in the close-by neighborhood.  Be prepared for some
hills - the smell of heal brake is really something at the end of some of these
runs.  The route is the same each week, so the darkness isn't too bad after a
few weeks.  In the beginning, just stay behind someone who seems to know the
route and be sure to listen for the "stay to the right", "stay to the left",
"watch out for the big ditch" messages.

Let me know if you show up.  Since the group is fairly young (high school and
college age) I don't think I especially fit in, but you can single me out by
my dark hair and a red beard.

-David
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From: harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Susan Harbour)
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:39:10 GMT

>
>Recently I've been doing some quad roller skating figures and
>have made some observervations based on my ice skating background.

   [explanation of skating quad figures delete]

>Figures on quads can usually be done anytime during the club sessions I've 
>attended, unless the club has set aside a dance only session.  So you
>will often have a mix of dancers, freestyle skaters and figure skaters
>on the floor at the same time as opposed to separate patch. freestyle
>and dance sessions on ice.  In addition, there may be several 
>skaters sharing the same series of cirles, which is almost never
>seen on ice.

   The good part is that you can pretty much practice figures anytime...
   the bad part is that you can get bowled over by someone who is either
   skating a backwards boarder dance and doesn't see you...or more often
   a beginner who can't control where they are going...(and you're not
   watching out for them....wham!...sigh...)

   Several skaters on the same circles never seems to bother anyone
   except at meets, during warm ups, when you'd really rather not be
   dodging other folks on the circles, or having to skate at *their*
   pace (which always seems to be slightly too fast or slightly too
   slow......chuckle chuckle...)

   [stuff about change-8 figures deleted]
>
>there are also 3 turns, mohawks and choctaws,  etc. in some of the
>more advanced  figures.  
	                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   There IS a choctaw in "figure 7" (outside forward three turn to
   inside back, choctaw to outside forward three turn inside back...)
   But I *think* that's it. My coach said there used to be a lot
   of figures using two foot turns, but I don't see any in my handy dandy
   figure book. However there are all the one foot turns you want to
   name (three's, rockers, counters and brackets) in various combinations.

>
>-- 
>Joe Kaplenk,
>jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
>312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406


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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:06:40 GMT

>>I'm in the process of breaking in a new pair of ice skating
>>boots and I have developed a calcium buildup on my left heel
>>which is about the diameter of a quarter and about 1/16 to 1/8
>>of an inch high.  I am assuming that it is a result of my new
>>(stuff deleted)
>>and that it went away on its own after a few weeks.  What's the
>>poop?  

jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

> I had the same problem when I went from Ridell to SP-Teri boots....

I got an email response from another person, who wrote:

> I had a similar problem once, as did several skaters at the rink - 
> we were all using SPTeri boots at the time....

My boots are also SP Teris.  Have we discovered a common problem 
with SP Teris?  Is there anyone else out there who have had the same
problem and DON'T have SP Teris?   

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|     `O'      Draw, ya' mangie dog  					| 
|     /|\                                				| 
|    | | |                               				| 
|    $/-\$                           Kevin Anderson			| 
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|		                      walk away from is a good one"	| 
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From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Subject: Re: Helmets and axels
Keywords: xxx
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:38:39 GMT

Yeah, I don't see why not wearing helmet while practicing gnarly jumps....		
I myself will not skate without any protection gears.

-- 
Internet:  kiwong@iris.calpoly.edu               Voice Mail:  (805) 756-5927
Bitnet:    DU338@oasis.calpoly.edu                     Fax :  (805) 756-5666
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From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Stretching
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:33:47 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu

In article <92Oct6.123019pdt.11840@alpha.xerox.com>
Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com writes:

>	"he spent a good 25 minutes stretching before getting onto the ice."

>Interestingly enough, in the last issue of "Dance" magazine, there was an
>article about stretching.  It seems that stretching is best done *after*
>warming up, not before or as a substitute for warming up.  Stretching before
>warming up is not as effective at stretching muscles, as well as having a risk
>of injury.  

An aerobics instructor of mine illustrated this for his class this
way:  Think about stretching taffy.  Taffy that's warm stretches very
nicely, but taffy that's cold just breaks.  Now think of your muscles
as the taffy.  (This was when we complained about his starting off
with aerobic movement, instead of letting us lie around on the floor
and stretch for a while :-)

Now that I have blades, I don't take aerobics any more, but I do my
stretches *after* my daily skate.


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From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: Who's Doing What
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:28:53 GMT

In article <vwodgg@Unify.Com> barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane) writes:
>      Are Bressuer (sp?) & Iessler (sp?) still in it?

I just saw an exhibition program by many Canadian skaters.  Brasseur and
Eisler are still amateur, according to the announcers, and are working
on a more "simple" appeal to their skating, and on the chemistry between
them.

Lloyd is still tossing Isabelle up like a feather.

In post-Olympic and post-Worlds interviews last season, he did not come
across as a very nice man.  This may be what they are trying to correct.

-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
=========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========

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From: mstov@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.stovsky)
Subject: Looking for skate & mail order leads...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:56:12 GMT

Hi!

My wife and I are planning to purchase some in-line skates in the near future.
We have both been ice skaters since we were kids & have tried in-lines & 
enjoyed our limited experiences with them.  We've been looking at Ultra Wheels
Classics & Rollerblade Lightnings (still trying to decide how much to spend).

We'd appreciate suggestions as to the skates to get as well as pointers to 
mail order places from which to purchase them (if you know phone numbers, that
would be greatly appreciated as well).

Thanks in advance for your help!


	Mike
	mps@cbvox.att.com

P.S.  Note my mail address differs from the return address of this posting.
Security :-)
From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Good clothing (Was: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:23:48 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Phil Earnhardt and I agree on something: I also wear the Patagonia
Stand-Up shorts too. They are, to be cliche', awesome. They have
literally saved my butt on several occasions, and they haven't even
started to fray. But, at $48 a pair, I expect quality :-) They have
four deep pockets, with velcro closures on the back ones. Heavy canvas
construction. It's convenient to hang my skate carrier (a
loop-and-handle deal) from the belt loops.

--
Ward C. Travis		Pittsburgh PA	"The fact is the sweetest dream that
travis@transarc.com	(412) 338 4388	       labor knows."  - R. Frost
From: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: questions on technique
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:49:55 GMT
Reply-To: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Distribution: usa
Organization: WIN Management Services - Dayton, OH

In article <ld7b88INNldv@news.bbn.com> ado@bbn.com (Buz Owen) writes:
> 
> I have often read on this list, and elsewhere, the following two bits
> of advice:
> 
>    a) when stroking, push directly to the side, not back and to the
>       side, and
> 
>    b) place your foot directly under you, or even a little beyond
>       that, when starting a new stroke.
> 
> On point a, I don't see that there would be any loss of efficiency if
> the push was angled somethat back.  The sideways component of your
> push works against the angle of the blade to produce a forward force,
> and the backward component of your push should produce forward force
> directly.  

Point (a) has been responded to by several others, so I would like to
comment on point (b).

It is preferrable to step or actually fall onto the outside edge of
your wheels or blade putting the pressure near the rear of the skate.
you then roll the skate onto the inside edge a little further long in
the stroke.  You will not lose your balance when bringing the skate
past the center line because there should be a shift with your hips
that will balance you on that outside edge of your skate.  Make sure
that your knees are bent with approximately a 90 degree bend with
your body bent slightly at the waist with your head up, so as not to
pressure the front of the skate.  When pushing out to the side (not back)
the pressure should be nearer the heal.  All of this will lengthen your
stroke and make it more powerfull, when done correctly.

As a test, stand straight up and see how far you can extend your leg
to the side.  Now, bend your knees 90 degrees and see how far you can
extend that leg to the side.  You should also see how you bring
other muscle groups into the stroke from this position.

Presto, your E. Matzger, you wish!
-- 
Michael Peters
WIN Management Services
Michael.Peters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!wtcd!mpeters
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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:47:51 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>This is confusing.  Are you really talking about a buildup of "calcium"
>(a metaillic element or by extension bone material) or a buildup of
>callus (hardened skin which forms the working surfaces of feet/hands)?

A friend of mine who used to be a nurse told me it was a calcium buildup (also
called "bone spurs" I think).  It's feels as hard as bone so I'm pretty
sure it's not a callus or cyst.  I've gotten a lot of responses from
people who have had a similiar problem.

The good news is that it apparently does get better by itself (ie no doctor
intervention).  I've eased up on the intensity and frequency of my skating
over the last week at it seems to be getting better, though it still
bothers me a little.

Kevin Anderson
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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: Stretching
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:25:42 GMT

-----------------

As a former professional, having to perform "cold" each night, stretching
was always very important.  (It was all we had, save for about a 4' x 20'
strip of ice behind the curtain:^)  Even now, afforded the luxury of
stroking and warming up before that first jump, I wouldn't think of
skating without doing my stretching routine (though it is only around
15 minutes).  As a testament to the importance, I'm 30 years old, 
skate only twice a week, still do double axels, and haven't been 
hurt in 5 years (that last part is by far the most impressive!)

Yes, rotating the ankles is very good (don't forget hands and neck also!)

A favorite for me is to extend each free leg in turn (as if you
are taking off, and then landing a waltz jump).  Hold for several
counts, feeling a SLIGHT burning sensation in the thigh-butt area (sorry to
be so blunt:)

Another one: extend one leg as far as possible to the rear (like a lunge).  
Bend the front leg, and lean your chest over it.  Keep the rear leg straight.
Good for the groin, this is probably most important for men (Sorry to be so 
blunt again:^)

A lot of the warming up that we did for the show was ballet type stuff,
which is excellent for figure skating.  Nothing like a dance class 
(and not necessarily ballet) to learn some good stretches that accomplish 
both the warm-up (for safety) but also the muscle memory (for form, grace).
It was the best thing I ever did for my skating (unfortunately not until
years after I quit competing...)  Check out your community colleges for these,
they are often really good bargains (compared to dance studios).

Happy skating!

Cam


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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Keywords: calcium injury heel boot
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:11:22 GMT

kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

>I'm in the process of breaking in a new pair of ice skating
>boots and I have developed a calcium buildup on my left heel
>which is about the diameter of a quarter and about 1/16 to 1/8
>of an inch high.  I am assuming that it is a result of my new
>boots since it started at about the same time I got them (2 to 
>3 weeks ago).  The "lump" on my heel is hard and painful.  I have
>never had anything like this before so I'm not sure what to do
>about it. 

>I would be very interested in knowing how other people in
>this newsgroup have dealt with the same problem.

Glad you asked!  About a year ago, just after I got a new pair of skates,
my heels started to get irritated.  Actually, I think it all started because
of a new pair of shoes I bought around the same time, but anyway...  Once
they had been inflamed, skating was painful, and seemed to make the problem
worse.

I then realized that I had lumps like you are describing on both heels,
though I still don't know if they were always there (never looked before).
They may have always been there since they are suspiciously the same size.

Anyway, they persisted for a while, and only went away when I took a knife
to an old pair of shoes (removed the heel in the place that irritated me) and
used those shoes exclusively for about a week.  The problem went away, and
they didn't bother me again...

UNTIL a little over a month ago, when I was skating and had the same pain
in the heal again.  Now, I've had a lot of problems with my new skating
boots, and just when I think we're getting along, something like this happens.
So I blamed my boots.  I stayed off of them for two weeks, but the problem
was still there.

I found that if I placed a strip of mole-foam above the irritation on my heal,
I could skate without much discomfort, and since I had a race that weekend,
and Athens to Atlanta coming up, I went ahead and skated.  I then began to
realize that my heels were more upset with me for walking than skating.

So, three weeks before Athens to Atlanta, I took a knife to my shoes again,
this time a pair of running shoes so I could continue to train.  My heel
started to get better.

In fact, I was able to skate Athens to Atlanta without the heel bothering me
significantly.  As it turns out, my heels actually felt better the day after
the race than the day.  Go figure.  Maybe my pain receptors have been dulled?

I guess the moral is, find out what is really causing the problem, whether it
be your skates or something else, and then STAY OFF of them for a week or so,
then see how your heels are doing.  If it takes cutting up a pair of shoes,
do it.  That seems to be the only thing that has worked for me.  It may be
that after they get irritated that is the only way to give them a chance
to recover.

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: washing Rollerblade liners?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:33:48 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

In article <123880004@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> larrya@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Anderson) writes:
>pads made a smell worse than dumpster scum.  In persperation desperation

>worse, so they just throw it all in a commercial washer and dryer with
>soap and hot water.  Since I cannot buy new pads wholesale, and am generally

I've yet to wash my knee pads (I don''t smell my knees anyway8-) but I
usually chuck my gloves (cycling) and guards into the washer, run through
whatever wash-cycle I happen to be using and then let 'em drip dry.  I've
been wanting to wash my liners, but I don't know what effect it'll have
on the outside of them...you know, the vinyl-leathery-smooth stuff.  Has
anyone safely washed their in-line liners in the washing machine before?

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <92Oct6.123956pdt.11832@alpha.xerox.com> Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com writes:
> I've seen some mention here about about doing figures on roller skates.  This
> may be a dumb question, but could someone explain to me how this works?  Like
> do you tie a magic marker to your skate, or maybe dip your wheels in ink before
> starting?  On ice, figures are judged by the tracing left by the blade.  I
> don't see how you can get the same effect on a floor.

Inspecting the trace is only one element of the judging.  For roller skating
you simply omit this detail and judge the execution by appearance.


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