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From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.155823.29715@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:

   (To be sung to the obvious tune, in 4-part canon, after the port has passed
   round once):

	   Heffer's Bookshop, Heffer's Bookshop,
	   Bowes and Bowes, Bowes and Bowes,
	   Galloway and Porter, Galloway and Porter,
	   [solemnly] Deighton Bell, Deighton Bell.

   Is Bowes currently in an existent state?

Bowes is no longer with is, and neither is Sherrat (?) & Hughes, but
the S&H site (corner of Trinity Street and Market Hill (?), opposite
the Senate House, `oldest bookshop (site) in the world') is now
occupied by an excellent business: the Cambridge University Press
Bookshop, stocking all in-print CUP books. A wonderful place.

I imagine "CUP" could replace "Bowes and Bowes" in the above ditty.

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:40:50 GMT

prwr001@netcom.com  writes:
> I am trying to remember the name of the big bookshop
> in Cambridge in England.  I had an account there in
> the early 1970s but neither I nor an English friend 
> currently working over here who also bought books there
> can remember its name.  One of those memory lapses that
> gradually drives you mad.
> Anyone can help, please?
> Thanks
> Rick Row

HEFFERS!  (I love that place.)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Followup-To: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:35:13 GMT

Steve Chapin (sjc@cs.purdue.edu) wrote:
> }} In article <19NOV199217520247@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> }} 
> }} Not Sadam, nor Adolf, nor Bundy?
> 			     ^^^^^
> Which one?  Al or Peg?
> 
Neither.  He meant serial killer Ted Bundy.

However Laurence is just being as tendentious as possible by extrapolating
Sue Miller's comment outside its context.  Get some sleep, Laurence.

[soc.research.careers deleted from newsgroups in deference to long-suffering
readers there.  Everybody else: watch those Newsgroups and Followup-To
lines! ]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:05:37 GMT

In article <Bxz1qH.9vB.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>If you don't have a kill-file, surely you can write a shell or editor
>script that does the same sort of thing? Trivial in emacs or any Unix
>shell.

Which Unix would this be, Linux or A/UX?  How long do your notebook's
batteries last running Emacs?  Or do you still think that everyone goes
into the local computer lab to read news?  Get a life...
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:36:01 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Nov12.121359.17488@rdg.dec.com>, evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>
>  Not seriously, although I'd be interested in what sort of splits
>you had in mind. How about:-
>
>   and for the occasional spill-over from t.p.g,
>
>	soc.culture.british.wot.no.guns
>
>  What did I miss, I wonder?
>
	soc.culture.british.yell.at.yadellee 
	soc.culture.british.your.dialect.is.sillier.than.mine.nyanyanyanya
	soc.culture.british.whats.freds.mail.address.Im.too.idle.to.ask.him

 Trev
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: English English
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:28:32 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Laurence, is there anything at all that you don't dislike? Anything?

Paul
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:30:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
>4% nationally, but with regional variations).  This may be partly
>explained by former SDP supporters returning to Labour.

The idea that there ever was a significant bunch of people who
swung from Labour to the SDP and back is laughable, though once
again understandable if you read the rubbish printed about
third party politics in papers like the Guardian. The SDP were
a bunch of yuppies who had no idea how to talk to Labour
voters. It was the Liberals who managed to win across Labour
votes in places like Bermondsey, Tower Hamlets, Liverpool and
Rochdale. The sigificant thing about all these Labour-Liberal
marginal areas is that there were no interfering SDPers to mess
up the third party appeal.

>This is bad news for the LibDems, by the way; it means that if
>voters want to defeat the Tories at the next election then in
>most cases they'll have to vote Labour.

Unfortunately Labour will use (and did use in 1992) this
argument to persuade people to vote for them in places where
they're third and will remain third. I remember an acquaintance
telling me in the last election "well I really like what the
LibDems say, and I'd like to vote for them, but I can't
because that might mean letting the Tories in". In fact she
lived in one of those Conservative-LibDem marginal seats where
Labour were a distant third, and it was Labour voters who were
letting the Tories in. Of course, Labour would far rather
lose than admit that we now have a multi-party system.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Hidden Bills of Attainder? (was: The amazing disappear. . .)
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:03:24 GMT

Bills of Attainder:  
I looked up 'attainder' and got 'convict, remove civil rights from'.  The
Constitution (section 9 para 3) says "No bill of attainder or ex post facto
law shall be passed".  Section 10 para 1 places the same restriction on the
States.  A later section prohibits "attainder of blood" in cases of treason.

A Bill of Attainder, at the time the Constitution was drafted, was something
aimed at depriving named people of property, freedom etc.  The Constitution
outlawed this, along with "attaider of blood", or punishing the sons for the
sins of the fathers in cases of treason.

Lately, Senator Pantsoff of Massachusetts was accused of pushing a BofA when
he caused a regulation to be passed forcing a certain Dirty Digger to divest
himself of some media holdings in order to buy into other areas of media.
Whether, as I have often suspected, this was just a part of a long-running
feud between the Digger and the Pantsoff's, is a question I will leave open.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:50:03 GMT

Chris Lee arghs :
> .. lunch special in the Amdahl cafeteria, Fish & chips & cole slaw:
> Me:            Fish and chips please, but no cole slaw
> Dinner lady:   Do you want French fries ?
> 
> AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH...........

Bad show, old chap.  You should have kept a stiff upper lip, and
replied ..
                 French-fried _what_ ?


ps. Did yer ge? any mal? vinegar fer yer chips !
              ^        ^
              glo??al stops
--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toron?o, Canada
                                                         ^ 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:10:17 GMT

From article <1992Nov16.094604.1569@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, by mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach):
> 
> I don't think it has anything to do with the French. I think
> the French influence on the Scots is being grossly exaggerated
> in this thread.
> 
I only ment to imply the influence of the french at that particular
point in time.

> I suspect that had a fiery Calvinist preacher got established
> in Ireland, like Knox in Scotland, but in Ireland he would have
> had to be Gaelic-speaking, Ireland would have gone over to
> Prebyterianism, and like Scotland would have been opposing
> Anglicanism on the grounds that it was still too Catholic for
> their liking.

Possibly, but Knox by him self would not have been able to do anything
without the support of the "power brokers" who were opposed to the
increasing influence of the french in the running of the country at that
time.

> Irish Catholicism was largely maintained as a
> badge of opposition to the English, and it is notable that it
> takes a peculiarily puritanical Celtic form, a long way removed
> from say the Latin Catholicism of the Italians, but in some
> ways (ironically) reminiscent of Scots Calvinism.
> 

I agree. If you go to a catholic service in Scotland you also find a
very "puritanical" slant to the sermon. (I think it is associated with
the weather actually).

											GW
From: guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:51:21 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter) writes:

 >gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes...
 >>zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:
 >(but this is a very recent innovation anyway, parliament managed for
 >>>years without expecting the PM to give reasonably accurate answers to 
 >>>random questions of the top of his/her head.) 
 >> 
 >>That's not how Question Time works!  Ministers have notice of the
 >>questions well in advance, althoug they don't have notice of the
 >>supplementaries.>--  
 
 >Well, the minister has advance notice of a question such as 'will the Prime
 >Minister list his engagements for today?'.  The supplementary can be about
 >anything at all.  I'd say that Geoff was quite correct in his description.

Yes, OK -- I suppose PM's Questions are rather different from
questions to other Ministers.  I was drawing on my own brief
experience amongst the Whitehall mandarins (actually I was at the
DHSS, so it was really the Elephant and Castle, but it doesn't sound
so good).


-- 
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          | University of Cambridge | University of Edinburgh
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          | +44 (0)223 334757       | +44 (0)31 650 4413
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Antique Map Dealers?
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com) writes:

>mmm.  The trade in old maps has reached the point where antique books
>containing them are more valuable dismembered than in one piece.  See the
>New Yorker, circa 1987, for an article describing the activities of a
>particularly pathological dealer in New York City.  Very dodgy business.
>Lots of people with more money than sense, and plenty of dealers
>ready to rape the past for a quick kilobuck.

Then as complete atlases become scarcer, their value will soar to higher
than the mere sum of their parts.  Yoyo of the free market.  Raping the past
is not new- the Romans used to like their Egyptian antiquities.

	Dave
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: English English
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov23.191639.1384
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov22.182443.25549@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org> chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org (Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC) writes:
>The company that I previously worked for had an office in Rochester, NY,
>and that was the first place I heard the term used.
>
>The operator would announce over the tannoy, for example,:-
>
>	"Fred Bloggs, you have a call parked on line two..."
>
>This was an American company, so I always assumed that it was another
>Americanism.
>

Maybe it's a Rochester NYism.  We've never heard of it out here
on the Best Coast.  I have always heard this announced as a 
"call waiting on line such&such".  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:44:48 GMT

banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
|>   Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
|> He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
|> a London suburb.

The Joni Mitchell explanation has been given, but I'd like to address
the other part.

Clinton does seem to have a few "Brit-Boys" (aka Rhodes Scholars) around
him, notably George Stephanopoulos and Robert Reich, but this very
morning I heard a Rhodes Scholar commenting on NPR -- his name is on the
tip of my tongue but I can't spit it out.

Basically, he said that any warm feelings the Brit-Boys may have for
Britain may be overstated.  He and others were treated with something
between condescension and disdain by the Brideshead types who defined
the social structure at Oxford at the time.  Even the most sophisticated
were treated as uncivilized, backwood colonial cousins with straw in
their hair, going round saying "Hi there!" all the time.

It doesn't help that this was a fairly accurate description of Bill
Clinton.

Just don't expect the Special Relationship to become any more special,
simply because Bill can be assumed to understand punts and crumpets.
-- 
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Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
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From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: fish and chips
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:45:03 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: soc
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In article <1992Nov20.4296.19878@dosgate> "barry ross" <barry.ross@canrem.com> writes:
>
>I  understand that true fish and chips in England use  Dog  fish, 
>not Halibut or Haddock or Cod like they do in Canada. <Pity>
>
>Is  there any truth to the above statement?  


no


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics thereof
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:47:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Nov9.141455.16960@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>Take any direction away from Newcastle (sorry, Nyercassel) and the language
>will change by an astounding amount in a surprisingly short distance.  It
>just happens to be the home of one of the more extreme dialects of English.
>Also, the distance to Edinburgh is about the same as to Leeds.  You could
>hardly call them neighbouring cities. 
>
Ah divn't think it's aal that extreme ye knaa.  Mind you having said that I
have a south Durham accent with a touch of teeside in it and several people
round here find me hard to understand . For the non geordies thats at least 3
vastly different accents in a 35 mile long section of the country. I think the
original poster was probably correct though, the number of variations between
here and edinburgh is huge.

 Trev 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.151635.11992@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes...
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>:
>: You're wrong there.  If you look back at newspapers etc. around Feb. 87
>: you'll find that my dispute with the NRC got considerable publicity, also
>: on TV and radio stations.  And I haven't finished with them yet - I have
>: a pending legal action over being excluded from publications by NRC (see
>: New Scientist July 11th, 1992).  Apart from that, I believe I have done
>: a great deal to damage the reputation of Canada in High Energy physics
>: and intend to do a great deal more
> 
>Hell hath no fury like a PhD with a bruised ego.
> 

Wrong - my ego is intact.  My fury is the result of injustice.  Hard for
you to grasp that, huh?

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:51:28 GMT

From article <1992Nov13.183451.18675@gssec.bt.co.uk>, by cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson):
>If you live in some places in Aberdeenshire, it's easy to think that this
> tongue (the regional dialect of Scots, often known by the euphemism "the
> Doric") is about to disappear. What has happened in most cases is that the
> nature of the community has changed, and a self-contained rural or semi-rural
> community is now dominated by middle-class commuters from Aberdeen. The place
> where I grew up, Peterculter, is a first-rate example of this. Ouside ready
> commuting distance to Aberdeen, "the Doric" is still there. What's more, as
> of this year, it has equal status with English in the schools in the region.
> 
> ********************************************************************************
> *  Colin Wilson,                           E-mail:  cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk     *
In my case I am referring to the NE coast Fraserburgh, St. Combs,
Inveralochy, Cairnbulg, etc. and Donside Kemney, Fyvie, Alford, etc.,
and in these cases (especially on the coast) the social make up of the
communities has not changed much since I was small. However, I still
believe that the local tongue is becoming more like "standard english"
because of the affect of television. I agree that today the Doric is
"studied" in school but almost as if it were a historical artifact.
Personally, I would be glad if it were to become spoken more commonly,
however, "you can never return home" and I think this is a case in
point.

														GW
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:42:31 GMT

In article <Bxx7qD.73o@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.095724.28614@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
|> >in opposition) both resigned their peerages.  It's apparently felt
|> >that it would be bad form to have a PM in the Lords.
|> >
|> A PM in the Lords would be unable to take part in Commons business. It would
|> be similar to the situation Frank Cousins (I think) was in after Harold "White
|> heat" Wilson had appointed him Minister of (Technology? Or was that Wedgie?)
|> when he, Cousins, had managed to lose a by-election created specially for him.
|> You can do it but it doesn't work very well.

It was indeed Cousins.  Note that Wilson didn't ennoble Gordon Walker
after he had lost in the '64 General Election and then in his own
special by-election, however.  Does this signify that Gordon Walker
didn't want it, or that Wilson thought that the FO was more
significant than Technology, I wonder?

Of course, in more recent times, Thatcher had Lord "I don't actually
have any ideas in my head, as a matter of fact" Young in the cabinet.
And a lot of good it would have done to have _him_ in the commons.
--
Robin (come back John Drummond) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
"They had twelve years to lay in wait for us" - Bush supporter on Nov 4
From: sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: What's the current  US dollar/UK pound exchange rate
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:05:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Subject says it all...last I heard it was $1.9 to the UK pound...

Thanks!
--
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Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu


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From: SALIM <U26043@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: * Looking for computer dealers...

Hi, I am a computer reseller and I am looking for computer dealers in
England and other European countries.  Please respond to my account
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From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:05:43 GMT

cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>Yes, I agree - the only difference between soc.culture.british and uk.misc
>that I can see is that one goes all round the world and the other doesn't.
>If uk.* groups were exported all over the place we'd effectively end up with
>two soc.culture.british groups instead of one.  Bleargh!

Counter example: aus.* is exported outside Australia. I don't see any change
since this happened.  

	-George

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