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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: What to do about an incomplete shed?
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:16:29 GMT

In article <93005.133947CBTCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <CBTCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Howdy.  My Christmas gift just shed for the first time.  She is a Sonoran
>Desert Kingsnake (_Lampropeltis getulis splendida_), and unfortunately
>it was an incomplete shed.  Some skin around her head is still on, including
>one goggle.  Should I just leave this be?  Must happen in the wild
>occassionally.  I don't want to pull her eye out or something sill like
>that.  She has a water dish to soak, and a log to scratch on.  Anything I'm
>missing?  Thanks.
>
>Chris Thompson


	Definatly leave it on. The next time she sheds it will come off. You
might want to increase the humidity in the cage. This seems to help very much.
I have herd that in extream casses(you have not gotten there yet) owners will
soak thier pets, but I am not sure that I would do that for the first time by
myself as well as any manual shedding.        
                         
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

P.S.
----
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From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Free-roaming iguanas
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:38:49 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>I had two 3 ft (snout to vent) iguanas when I was younger and both had the 
>run of the house. Occasionally we wouldn't see them for a day or two. One time 
>they both turned up next to the sliding glass porch door, frozen quite stiff.

I wouldn't want to mess with a 3ft snout to vent iguana - one hit from the 10'
tail would cause a lot of damage and those claws would probably rip right
through leather.  Of course if they were tame enough, small kids might be able
to ride them.  As for not seeing them for a few days, how could you miss an
animal the size of an adult alligator?  Also, these guys must have eaten a
fortune.  Did you have a produce supplier deliver directly?

Oh, what's that?  3' head to tail?  Sorry....

:-)   (of course)

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From: rowe@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
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Date: 11 Jan 93 20:51:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan8.003115.28486@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
     kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>The Emerald Tree Boa is at least one example of multiple stenopeic
>pupils.  Well, actually, most of them have two.  From observation I
>would conclude that most colubrids have fixed pupils.  Which is rather
>confusing considering that the colubrids evolved much later!  Could
>their eyes de-evolve? (Although they probably prefer the term,
>'Evolutionarily challenged')

There is no direction inherent in evolutionary changes--progress is a
user-defined term.  It is quite common for derived states to appear
less complicated than ancestral states.  The animals that have taken
this to the extreme are tapeworms (which are basically nothing but
huge gonads), but wouldn't you consider the loss of legs and the
reduction of the right lung in snakes to be simplifications from a
more complicated ancestral form?  How about the loss of external ears?

>/'''   Kyle Wohlmut    -  'Heute back ich, morgen brau ich, und       

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Get lose, you can't compare with my powers.
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: The Flat Earthers
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:01:38 GMT

In article <C0EI9p.HoI@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul
"Holland-o-matic" Hollander) writes:
>In article <C0EAL7.2CI.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>>
>>What do you mean by suitable? Is there some problem with larger snakes eating
>>smaller prey? Or so you mean feasible to breed and feed 15 at a sitting?
>
>Well, there is small prey, and there is teeny tiny prey.  A buddy had a nine
>foot Burmese that loved mice but hated rats.  He was jumped to rabbits when
>the dead mice started falling out of his mouth.  Seems he couldn't get both
>sides of his jaws on the mouse at the same time, and out the mouse would 
>tumble.
>

Yep, I should have made it more clear-- there can be problems trying
to swallow food that is way too small. (Not to mention killing, if you
feed live.) If you catch the snake swallowing dinner backwards, or
even sideways (yes, Fafnir did it once), it's time to move up to
larger prey.

O, and need we mention Gerbils are illegal in California anyway?
Can't get hide nor hair of them here, in stores or in the wild.  Might
be a nice solution for the rest of you, though...

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From: bzandrew@amiganet.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:22:59 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <AfGFePC00WB7ESlNod@andrew.cmu.edu>, at15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew
Lewis Tepper) writes:
>Fluffy, my savannah monitor was refusing to eat for almost 4 weeks. He
>always used to love mice, but lately hadn't touched them. The pet store
>suggested I try a variety of foods, so I bought a rat, two anoles, and a
>couple dozen crickets. The good news is that he went _wild_ for the
>crickets, and gobbled them up. He didn't eat the anoles, and they are
>now living in his cage. (Ever hear of a savannah monitor sharing a cage
>with anoles?!?) In case fluffy dosen't eat them, what should I give them
>to eat?
>
>Andy
Well, you could give them to me cuz I love them.  They eat flies, spiders,
moths, maggots, etc.  If you don't live in the north it shouldn't be too hard
to feed them.  
        They don't eat ants.  They like to lick moisture off grass or leaves. 
They're cool!
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From: seedman@IASTATE.EDU (Varanus Komodensis)
Subject: Re: Subscription to _The Vivarium_?
Keywords: Subscription to _The Vivarium_?
Reply-To: seedman@IASTATE.EDU (Varanus Komodensis)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:24:51 GMT

In article <srutt.726197619@beagle>, srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
writes:
> Could anyone tell me how I can get a subscription to _The Vivarium_?
> What is the address and what are the various subscription rates?
> Thanks,
>                           -steve
> 

	"The Vivarium" is the official publication of the American Federation
of Herpetoculturists.  Membership in the AFH is approximately $25/year US.  
"The Vivarium" is published bi-monthly and contains articles and pictures 
that should appeal to most anyone interested in herps.  
	Unfortunately I don't have the address or phone number with me.  Anyone
who wishes it can either :

		1. Look in the back of any of the "Care And Maintenance of..."
		   books.

		2. Send me mail, with "AFH ADDRESS REQUEST" as the subject
		   line.  Don't expect an immediate response, as I don't log
		   on as often during the school break.

				

			TRY THE BOOKS FIRST, PLEASE.


						seedman@iastate.edu
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From: rosen@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey m rosen)
Subject: 2 iguanas for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:34:17 GMT

I have two baby iguanas for sale.  They are approx. 6-7months old.  Each
has its own 30 gallon tank with all the equipment needed to raise them.
If you are interested in one or both, please leave me some e-mail.
Thanks,

Jeff Rosen (Rosen@CIS@ohio-state.edu)

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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: are chameleons (very) difficult?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:03:14 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1993Jan4.124449.4845@memstvx1.memst.edu>
nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>From what I understand from the herpetologists at our zoo, chameleons are so
>shy that the people who work with them make every possible attempt to not even
>make eye contact with them.  The St. Louis zoo, who has had a lot of success
>with chameleons, passed this info on to us.  We (Memphis Zoo) are beginning
>to have good luck with the Panther chameleons because of this advice.  These
>guys are not on exhibit and are separated in gallon glass jars in a place
>that is relatively isolated.  All chameleons may not be this shy, but when
>I had the opportunity to get a chameleon, I chose not to because I knew I
>wouldn't be able to stay away from it.  I think they are wonderful.

Nancy,

I agree with you, for the most part.  However, a guy who runs a small pet
shop near me (in Northern California) has had a Veiled Chameleon (scientific
name something like Chameleo Calyptrotus) for going on a year now and it
doesn't have a shy bone in its body!  He bought it as a captive-bred baby
(always the best idea, in my book) and now its HUGE.

The animal is amazing.  It will climb out and onto your finger, zap a 
cricket that you're holding in your other hand and then climb back into its
cage.

    don
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Snake Quarantine
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:45:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis
Originator: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu


 Thanks for all the help abotu keeping Burmese and boa together, and the
suggestion to quarantine. Now, how long should I keep the Boa in 
quarantine? I bought him from a local person here who had had him about
nine months. He shared a cage with a ball python before and apparently
has no eating problems. He looks healthy thus far (no visible mites, no
obvious respiratory problems, great muscle tone and skin. I'd like
to put them together as soon as possible because I have a really nice 
set-up that I want them to both enjoy, since the temp. cages are a bit
on the small side.
 The one book I have reccomends 4 weeks, but is referring to imports... any
more input from the wise and wonderful herp world?

 -Otter not Nathan "Good old Reliable Nathan" Rollins
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From: rosen@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey m rosen)
Subject: shipping igs
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:27:22 GMT

How does one ship an iguana?

Jeff Rosen (Rosen@CIS@ohio-state.edu)

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From: tjr3@quads.uchicago.edu (thomas john ryan)
Subject: Flex Watt Heat Tape
Reply-To: tjr3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:41:42 GMT

While trying to find this stuff near me, I happened to
be transfered through to a Flex Watt representative that
wanted to know what I would be using it for.  When I told
him that it would be used to heat reptile cages and explained
how some of the systems that I had seen were set up, he
offered to send me a free sample and asked if I would be
interested in becoming a distributor in the area.  I told him that
I would see.  What this all means is that, if everything goes through,
that I could get this stuff at a wholesale price.  If this is the case,
any opinions out there on whether or not this would be a good idea.  
Of course, I would sell to anyone emailing me at my price plus shipping,
but that is another story.

Tom
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Gerbils running wild (was Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...)
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Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:54:09 GMT

>yep, they do.  Primarily, they are there to keep people from bringing in 
>produce from out of state which may be contaminated with pests that are not
>present in California,

I believe that shipping produce or live plants across any state line is
strictly regulated, and with the medfly business, I can understand why CA might
be very strict about enforcement.  I was asked once when crossing into Canada.

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From: s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis)
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:46:19 GMT

In article <ko4ywB3w164w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> zenpk@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (stephen kunc) writes:
>From: zenpk@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (stephen kunc)
>Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
>Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 15:49:07 -05
>tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>
>> 
>> Ok, first. Savannah's HATE bunny names. They are carnivores and need a
>> dignified name, like Toadkiller Lizard or some such.
>> 
>
>You're absolutely right - serious animals mandate serious no-shit
>names, it's a spiritual requirement. Boids, crocodilians, monitors and 
>big-frogs-that-are-all-mouth will obviously sense how you feel about 
>them if their names are Fluffy, Spot, Cuddles or Dolly. It goes without 
>saying that elven folklore, feminine mythology, and cute palindromes 
>are not the way to name your 4-foot monitor. Newts, sure. Monitors, no. 
>Ya need a name that will inspire the beast to be the kind of monster 
>that will drag screaming infants in its jaws out into the night, or 
>something that should be seen half-obscured by mist upon English moors.
> 
>Obviously, nothing called Fluffy will ever be seen eating the decaying 
>remains of its owner while it thrashes with its tail at the bottles of 
>Jack Daniels.
>
>
>Steve
>

Which brings us neatly to the following query:

What should I call my pet Komodo which will arrive in 21 days?

Reinder
From: bell-peter@yale.edu (vineland expatriate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Gerbils running wild (was Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:05:28 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <1993Jan7.143808.15405@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mikeh@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Michael Herman) writes:
>Am I to understand that calif has some kind of border patrol
>or state customs???

yep, they do.  Primarily, they are there to keep people from bringing in 
produce from out of state which may be contaminated with pests that are not
present in California, but they do check for other things....

This summer, I was in Oregon to do some fieldwork on garter snakes;  I came 
back into calfornia in my (filthy) rentacar with a cooler which had no
produce but a few live snakes.  the woman at the inspection station asked
"any produce?"  No, I answered honestly, but there was still this 34 quart
cooler in the back seat.  "what are you carrying in the cooler?"  "milk, bread,
and snakes,"  I replied.  all the color drained from the woman's face.  After 
savoring this for a few moments, I piped up with "Do you need to see my
permit?"  "Uh, yeah, please"  After showing her my paper, I wanted to know 
if she wanted to inspect the cooler.  Nosirree bob.  She did not want to have
a look :+).  

Peter
bell@minerva.cis.yale.edu



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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:56:12 GMT

In article <C0EAL7.2CI.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.182754.16230@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
> (Deleted)
>>anything but the largest rats.  You sure gerbils are suitable food for
>>a 7+ footer?
>
>What do you mean by suitable? Is there some problem with larger snakes eating
>smaller prey? Or so you mean feasible to breed and feed 15 at a sitting?

Well, there is small prey, and there is teeny tiny prey.  A buddy had a nine
foot Burmese that loved mice but hated rats.  He was jumped to rabbits when
the dead mice started falling out of his mouth.  Seems he couldn't get both
sides of his jaws on the mouse at the same time, and out the mouse would 
tumble.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:44:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0HvyD.oA.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1ig34fINN8e6@shelley.u.washington.edu> stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole) writes:
>In article <C0G1E4.My1.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>> 
>> Yes. I only give hard-boiled as well since I heard this. I was also
>> wondering if maybe anyone knew of any types of eggs sold that were small
>> enough for a monitor to swallow whole? I figure all that eggshell has to
>> be great calcium.
>
>Quail eggs are pretty small and sold by most larger grocery stores, I
>think. I can't get Skippy, my Savannah, to touch hard eggs, though.

I was wondering about that. How do savannahs in the wild tell that those
white things that look like rocks are actually edible? Do they go around
eating rocks until they find an egg?

>> Which puzzles me, because I know people who claim their savannahs are
>> just like lap-dogs. Mine always at least licks my fingers to make sure
>> I'm not rodent, and he has occasionally latched on.
>
>Puzzles me, too. Skippy's still young and small (about 19 inches) and
>thus a bit jumpy, but he has never gone for me with his jaws. He bashes
>things with his meaty tail, though. He's becoming more lap-dog-like every
>day -- lots of fun!

I'm gonna reiterate: savannahs are carnivores. Bunny names and preppie
appellations are unfitting for these relics of the err Permian? Cambrian?

>Do all Savannahs eat like hogs? Skippy is putting down 4 weanling mice
>a day now, and there aren't enough crickets on the planet to fill him
>up.

Yes.

Tim
From: mhall@netcom.com (Michael Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Leopard Frog Talks to Television!
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:36:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.213642.18390
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:

>In article <1it1ibINNejh@pith.uoregon.edu> tenny@euclid.uoregon.edu writes:
>>
>>Believe it or not, the subject line says it all.  One of my leopard frogs
>>has taken to calling when the TV is on (an unusual event in this house, so I
>>doubt it's just by coincidence).  Now, I presume the fact that he's calling
>>means he's male and reasonably contented, but why on earth would the TV
>>prompt it???

>The TV probably puts out a whine at 15,750 kHz, right at the upper limit of
>human hearing; maybe the frog hears it and thinks it's a frog call.

It's the lower frequencies that are stimulating the frog, most likely
the frequencies of the human voice, since Leopard frogs call with a
fairly deep broken squalk.  One of my treefrogs liked to croak to U2's
"Even Better than the Real Thing", almost in rhythm, probably countercalling
to the repeated "calls" of the guitar.

Why frogs call in reaction to other frog calls (and accidentally to things
like the human voice) is apparently not totally understood.  In the non-mating
calls of treefrogs, it seems territorial, and perhaps just something
pleasurable to do for happy frogs.  During breeding season, choruses of
mating calls confuse predators as to the location of individuals.

-- 
Michael Hall   \ 
personal account\ Big Brother is watching.
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From: mhall@netcom.com (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: permits for reptiles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:01:06 GMT

rptjr@brahms.udel.edu (Richard Terrell) writes:

>I moved to Delaware (oh joy!) a few months ago and was appauled to learn
>that I have to pay $25 to have reptiles in this state.  Is DE the only
>state screwed up enough to require permits for non-native animals or do I
>have disgruntled bretheren out there in netland?  If any other states
>require permits, how much are they? 

New Jersey charges $5 (I think, maybe $10) for a license, which can have an
infinite number of creatures on it, but you are supposed to notify the
government each time you obtain another reptile, amphibian, or other exotic
creature.  Failure to do so means the government can confiscate all your
creatures, and I wouldn't be surprised if they could fine you and toss you
in jail.  I never did get a license while in New Jersey, and now I'm in
California.  Nyah, nyahnyah, nyahnyah, nyah!

-- 
Michael Hall   \ 
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:07:22 GMT

christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson) writes:

>A while back, during the thread discussing various snakes' gustatory
>preferences, several people asserted that snakes posessed color
>vision, as evidenced by the fact that they would only eat certain
>colored prey.  I checked this out with a herpetologist friend of mine,
>and also received confirmation on a snake special on The Discovery 
>Channel the other night.  While snakes do not posess color vision
>at all, they can PROBABLY detect shade differences by the varying
>amount of heat that different colored fur or hair emits.  Snakes
>have very limited vision as we define it, and rely much more upon
>the data gathered by the vomeronasal organ, which senses heat only.
>They can (obviously) also detect ground vibrations from quite a ways
>off.

Well, you've made some pretty controversial assertions here.  As far as
I know many snake species have retinal cones and can presumably discern
color.  Further, only a few snakes have any sort of heat sensing organs,
primarily viperid and boids.  As somebody else pointed out animal tissues
are almost perfect radiators of IR regardless of pigmentation.

Further, I believe that except for certain primitive species, tour
statement that snakes have limited vision just doesn't stand scrutiny.
Snakes, have highly evolved eye structures, capable of both focusing
and dilation/contraction to control the amount of light admitted.
In fact, it the means of focusing that is the one characteristic of 
snakes which is totally unique from all other animals.  Lastly, I have
plenty of first hand evidence that, at least in boids, vision works
just fine.

>(Help!  I've fallen and I can't reach my beer!)

better lay off.

cheers,
gerard
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