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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,arflesza@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
Subject: Re: Compuserve TO internet
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <92267.135454ARFLESZA@MTUS5.BITNET> (comp.mail.misc), <ARFLESZA@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
> 
> Hi.  I know this must be a routine question, but does anyone who uses
> compuserver know how to mail to internet?
> I know how to mail to compuserve.com, but my friend on compuserve is
> just learning to use computers and can't figure out how to mail to me.
> Compuserver won't take my internet address as a valid destination.
> (Using normal compuserve mail)
> I myself have never touched compuserve, so please explain in detail.
> Thank you for your help.
>               Anthony Fleszar
>           arflesza@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
>         (please respond directly if possible)
>
For someone on Compuserve to send to you on the Internet tell them
to do the following:

	send >internet:arflesza@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu

David
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: avdeyev@dsf58a.desy.de (Dmitry Avdeyev)
Subject: Re: Lomonosov University in Moscow - Russia?Re:
Organization: Deutches Elektronen-Synchrotron (DESY)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:59:59 GMT

nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL writes:

>In <1992Sep26.033730.14087@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
>eda803z@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Duc M. Ngo)  asks:

>> Does anyone know the hostname(s) of Lomonosov Uni in Moscow?
> 
>In the event that no reader of comp.mail.misc happens to know this, 
>assistance with addresses in Russia should be available from 

>  Postmaster@ussr.eu.net

It's not true. I already sent mail directly to Duc M. Ngo. The better
way is to ask me, dmitry@npi.msu.su at Moscow State University, or
here, in DESY avdeyev@vxdesy.desy.de. The last address is faster and more
reliable. 

>Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
>           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
>        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

	Dmitry Avdeyev, postmaster *.msu.su

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Computer networks analyst	USG DESY, Hamburg

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: paul@pubnet.com (Paul Telles)
Subject: Are there any simple editors available?
Organization: PUBNET Communications Services
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:12:04 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Hello, I currently run a public access UNIX (SCO XENIX) site and we
are in the process of allowing people who are not familiar UNIX and
UNIX-style editors (vi, Emacs, etc.) access to our system.  I am
looking for a simple line or visual editor than John Q. Public could
use with ease.  In particular, as a mail editor for Elm 2.3.

I have tried WordPerfect and Microsoft Word for SCO XENIX and neither
fits the bill.  They are far too complex for such a simple task.
Something that emulates a typical BBS editor or the CompuServe editor
would be great.  John Q. Public should be able to use it day one
with little or no assistance.  Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

				--Paul
-- 
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"UNIX is a simple, coherent system that pushes a few good ideas and models to
the limit." D. Ritchie, Communications of the ACM, Vol. 27, No. 8, August 1984
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: "bill daddis" <bill.daddis@canrem.com>
Subject: mail to/from at&t
Reply-To: "bill daddis" <bill.daddis@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:48:22 EST

Hi,
  Could anyone please tell me if it's still possible for someone at AT&T
Bell Laboratories to send e-mail to the outside world.  Specifically, if
they use an address such as xxxxxx@site.com, will it work?
I seem to recall that years ago when I was at the Labs, you had to enter
the address as aaaa!bbbbb!ccccc!.. and so on, giving the whole path.  Is
this still true?  If it is, is there a specific path to use to get out
of AT&T into the rest of the world?

Forgive me if this an elementary question-- I've been out of the e-mail
world for a long time!

I assume that mail **to** someone at the Labs will get there if
addressed to them as "login@system.att.com" which is the only way I can
send mail from here (as far as I know!)

Many thanks for any help!

Bill Daddis
bill.daddis@canrem.com
Aurora, Ontario, Canada
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:22:55 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Oct5.151336.15446@infodev.cam.ac.uk> ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.115945.29105@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>>They (Abacus) learned of their mistake within a short time.  People make
>>mistakes in real life every day. Are those people of the net faultless??
>
>I'm sorry, are you saying that (a) the collection of a list containing
>international e-mail addresses, or (b) sending mail to everyone on that
>list, were *accidental*?  If not, I don't see where the 'mistake' comes
>into it.  Or do you mean these people were mistaken in their belief that
>all national and international academic networks are provided for the
>purpose of carrying (without charge) free international corporate
>advertising?  Frankly, I wouldn't call this a mistake, I'd call it an
>example of gross stupidity.

Good to see that my prediction regarding the fate of the net in the post
Mutlu days is coming to be true. I predicted the political parties, and
yessir, clinton-gore.org shows up. I predicted commercial operations
(such as the 'mistaken' abacus) flooding the net, and it happens; 

Let's see, we've got the Hair Club for Men (hair.com) still missing. Any
volunteers? 

Spiros


-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise)
Subject: Mail Re-forwarding
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:47:05 GMT
Organization: MCI

Mail Wizards:

I'm running smail 3.1.25 on RS/6000s and am very happy with it.  We
have a small number of high end servers where all user accounts
reside.  We also have a small machine that is our news and mail front
end.

All user accounts are NFS mounted everywhere.  Everyone has a .forward
in their account pointing to their home machine.  This is how we deal
with mail getting routed to the right place.

When any of the big servers goes down, its user accounts (and their
corresponding .forward files) disappear.  Any mail supposedly
delivered to the server now stays on the front end machine since there
is no .forward to reroute it.  Users don't log on to the front end
machine.

Is there an easy way to get mail re-rerouted once it has been delivered
to /usr/spool/mail/sol_user on the front end?

Thanks!

-Bob

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:18:51 EDT
From: Craig Deimler <CBD106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Seagate email address?

I was wondering if anyone knows if Seagate has an email address and if they
do what it is.  I'm having some trouble with my hard drive that my dealer
can'tanswer.  If you could send any responses to my email address:
cbd106@psuvm.psu.edu

Thanks in advance.
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Emailing to Citimail (Citicorp)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:37:00 GMT

In <9209251740.AA08618@goldman.gnu.ai.mit.edu> obsidian@gnu.ai.mit.edu asks:

> Would anyone happen to know how to send email from the Internet to Citimail,
> at Citicorp?  . . .

Seems like, if it's possible at all, postmaster@citicorp.com might know.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

whois CITICORP-DOM
Citicorp (CITICORP-DOM)
   55 Water Street - 44th Floor
   New York, NY 10043
   Domain Name: CITICORP.COM
   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Samperi, Dominick  (DS374)  DSAMPERI@CITICORP.COM      (212) 291-1182
   Record last updated on 11-Mar-92.
From: rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:37:00 GMT

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
>If they can't be extradited legally, we'll just kidnap them.  After
>all, that's what the U.S. does.  If the U.S. thinks that kidnapping
>is a reasonable approach to extradition problems, then who are we
>to argue?

>(It boggles my mind why Mexico hasn't made the obvious retalliation
>of kidnapping members of the U.S. supreme court).

Mexico doesn't own 75% of the nuclear arsenal on the planet.

regards,
Ross
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From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mailstrom detaching attachments
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:19:17 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
In-reply-to: tucker@bedford.progress.COM's message of 28 Sep 92 16:28:26 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: e15e41fd8fcf286051941d6f50ce4132

Mailstrom does *not* have MIME yet.
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From: berry@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Berry Mobley)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.novell
Subject: Listserver for Netware?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:53:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia

I'm looking for some way to automatically manage a mailing list using
netware.  We're running Pegasus, which will do a list, but requires
a newmail folder to constantly remain open for the filter rules to work.

Anyone have suggestions?  

Berry

bmobley@isc.scarolina.edu
From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Sendmail for SCO 3.2.4
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:48:45 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

Has anyone ported sendmail to SCO 3.2.4?  Any info would be deeply appreciated.

/* Erik */

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From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Lomonosov University in Moscow - Russia?Re:
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:11:00 GMT

In <1992Sep26.033730.14087@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
eda803z@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Duc M. Ngo)  asks:

> Does anyone know the hostname(s) of Lomonosov Uni in Moscow?
 
In the event that no reader of comp.mail.misc happens to know this, 
assistance with addresses in Russia should be available from 

  Postmaster@ussr.eu.net

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Seagate email address?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:59:00 GMT

In <92271.171851CBD106@psuvm.psu.edu> CBD106@psuvm.psu.edu (Craig Deimler) asks

> I was wondering if anyone knows if Seagate has an email address and if they
> do what it is.  I'm having some trouble with my hard drive that my dealer
> can'tanswer.  If you could send any responses to my email address:
> cbd106@psuvm.psu.edu

You can check this out for yourself by using whois or sending mail

To:       service@nic.ddn.mil
Subject:  whois seagate

Ric
From: niki@hirematu.trl.mei.co.jp (teruki niki)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: VIMI & MAPI specification
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: niki@trl.mei.co.jp (teruki niki)
Organization: Matsushita, Tokyo Information and Communications Research Lab.

Does anyone know how to obtain specification of Microsoft's Messaging 
Application Programming Interface(MAPI), and Lotus's Vender Independent 
Messaging Interface(VIMI)?
 Any information is welcome.

                                              Teruki Niki
                                               Panasonic
                                               Tokyo,Japan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:13:36 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1992Oct5.115945.29105@Gwinnett.COM> todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
>They (Abacus) learned of their mistake within a short time.  People make
>mistakes in real life every day. Are those people of the net faultless??

I'm sorry, are you saying that (a) the collection of a list containing
international e-mail addresses, or (b) sending mail to everyone on that
list, were *accidental*?  If not, I don't see where the 'mistake' comes
into it.  Or do you mean these people were mistaken in their belief that
all national and international academic networks are provided for the
purpose of carrying (without charge) free international corporate
advertising?  Frankly, I wouldn't call this a mistake, I'd call it an
example of gross stupidity.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
From: cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:17:17 GMT
Organization: Dept of CompSci, U of Auckland
Keywords: question legal use email

casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham) writes:
>
>>I received an unsolicited email message from abacus@global.gwinnet.com
>>today.  It was blatantly advertising the services of Abacus Global
>>Support, Inc.  I thought this kind of thing was illegal--or at least
>>not within the spirit of the Internet!

Count me among the victims.

>I've already sent them a note telling me that they pissed me off
>and that I will never give any business to them.

ditto

Is there anything we can do aside from sending them hate mail?

-- 
Oh, why didn't I listen when they said "Never do a   |  cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz 
 masters and try to have a life at the same time"?   |  clare west
                 BigSis to Chris, Eric and Kristiina
                    Official Welcomer of the RFA
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:49:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Oct5.142707.14633@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

What, pray tell, can they do? Remember that the junk email came from the
US...are they going to extradite the perpetrators? Is it even a crime under US
law?
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:27:07 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.

In article <1992Oct05.084013.24430@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>Myself, I am 100% in favour of electronic junk mail replacing the
>vast gobs of dead trees that land in my physical mailbox every day.

I've already taken adequate measures to stop physical junk mail. There are
also sufficient regulations to stop me receiving junk e-mail from within the
UK. The problem comes with international cowboys.

I believe the UK powers-that-be might do something about this incident soon...

--Clive.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: Re: VIMI & MAPI specification
Sensitivity: Personal
Encoding:  22 TEXT , 4 TEXT 
Conversion: Prohibited
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Conversion-With-Loss: Prohibited
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:38:39 GMT

> Does anyone know how to obtain specification of Microsoft's Messaging 
> Application Programming Interface(MAPI), and Lotus's Vender Independent 
> Messaging Interface(VIMI)?

MAPI: Dunno.  The documents haven't yet made their way down to this
	end of the building, and I don't have time to look at them
	right now anyway.  Suggest: Start with Microsoft ;-).

VIM: *this* document started at this end of the building, so it's right
	here on my desk ;-).  The address in the book is:

		cc:Mail, A Division of Lotus (R)
		2141 Landings Drive
		Mountain View, CA  94043

		+1 (415) 961-8800
		FAX: +1 (415) 960-0840

	And the title is "Vendor-Independant Messaging Interface
	Programmer's Guide; Beta Draft 5/22/92".  (By now the document
	should be out of beta..)


<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
<-
<- During the '80s Usenet's mantra was: "Not all the world's a VAX".
<- During the '90s I hope it becomes:   "Not all the world's DOS (ick)".
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Quickmail<-->uucp: how?
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:25:30 GMT

My company recently installed CEsoftware's QuickMail at several sites.
I am interested in gatewaying mail out of QuickMail's MailCenter
Server to the uucp world of my unix box at home (and the other
direction as well).  QM appears to have the ability, via scripts, to
do this, but the sysadm manual is less than complete on the topic.

Has anyone had any experience with this?  
Thanks.
--Rob
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: BIX gateway?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:06:36 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL wrote in <9209252133.AA02785@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>:

| I don't know for sure, but I would suspect that one could bypass 
| DASnet by writing directly to the .bix.com domain.

If you're writing to a BIX employee, yes.  If you're writing to a BIX
customer, no.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail
From: conwell@fc.hp.com (Conwell Dickey)
Subject: Re: Still trying to get to Fidonet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:02:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Bill Dickey (dickey@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com) wrote:
: Well, I am finally able to post again...Thanks to those of you who
: sent me assistance on getting to Fidonet from internet, but I still
: seem to be having a problem.
: 
: I am sending to the fidonet address sister.name@p17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org.  
: Everything seems to work fine, except that my sister is not receiving the
: mail.  And I get no indication of any problems on my end.  I also sent
: mail to the moderator of the METNET (where my sister is supposed to be),
: Bob Morris, at the same address, but....nothing...  Anyone have any great
: ideas?
: 
: Thanks in advance.
: 
: Bill
: dickey@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com
: ----------------------------------
: I said it and I meant it, so don't
: blame Honeywell....
: ----------------------------------
: 

Maybe your problem has to do with trying to send to sister.name rather than
brother.name

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: deliver's "header" utility
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:13:03 GMT

In article <Bv9u3D.Coy@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>Is there any documentation on the utility named "header" that is part of the
>deliver distribution?

It is documented in a fashion in the source code of 'header.c' in the
deliver package.

>                       The sample .deliver files show how to make use of
>header's -f option, but apparently it has others (-c, -n, and -v or so the
>usage message says when you make a syntax error).  What are they for and what
>do they do?

You could probably find out for yourself with a few easy experiments.
'-c' makes the header name case sensitive;  '-n' prints the header name
in the output.  '-v' reverses the meaning of match as in grep.
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:37:21 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Keywords: question legal use email

In article <7496@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>What, pray tell, can they do? Remember that the junk email came from the
>US...are they going to extradite the perpetrators? Is it even a crime under US
>law?

Why SURE they can.  After all, if the USA can claim that it can kidnap
people back here to enforce our laws, why can't England?  Extradition
would seem to be unnecessary.  Far better to just send spies or troops.

But more likely they would begin to require that inbound mail be
filtered.  And who do we blame for fouling that particular nest, eh?
	- Brian
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