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From: green@fylz.wa.com (Washington Green)
Subject: Nov-Dec Calendar Events Wanted (green)
Organization: Washington Green -- State Newsletter of the Greens
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:06:01 GMT

Washington GREEN is willing to publish calendar events it feels is of
interest to its readership.  Readers are generally residents of
Washington State and are concerned with progressive issues.

If you have an event that you feel might be of interest, you can
e-mail it to green@fylz.com, FAX to 206-526-0803 or mail to Washington
GREEN, 8315 Lake City Way NE, Suite 207, Seattle, WA 98115.

Washington GREEN is published every two months.  The deadline for the
Nov-Dec issue is October 12.
-- 
Washington GREEN -- the newsletter of the Washington State Greens
8315 Lake City Way #207, Seattle, WA 98115  -- (206)526-2919 x28
From: frankm@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Frank Miller)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wanted! UW-USC tickets
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:24:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3693
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Oct1.013259.18617@polari> merrillg@polari.online.com writes:
>WANTED! USC-UW tickets!
>2-3 tickets for the UW-USC football game this coming weekend
>please email back here
>merrillg@polairi.online.com
>
>thanx
>Greg


Ah ... stay at home Greg.  Its going to be a sad day in RainTown
with a upset of the Dog Team.  I'd go if your a rootin' for SC
though ;}.

Frank
SC Class of '84.

--
Frank 'Scruff' Miller      "A Perl script is correct if it is halfway readable
Tek CNA Division            and gets the job done before the boss fires you."
frankm@master.CNA.TEK.COM   -Larry Wall
From: edm@halcyon.com (Ed Morin)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Proposal for pnw.motss
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:48:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: nwnexus.1992Oct6.214807.23341
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505

billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:

>The discussion here has brought up once again that there isn't a method
>of adding and deleting regional newsgroups.

>I propose that we adopt a protocol similar to the mainstream Usenet
>heirarchy, adapted for the fewer readers of the pnw newsgroups.
>Specifically that votes be held according to the newsgroup creation
>guidelines and that instead of the 100 votes with a 2/3 majority we
>use 25 votes with a 2/3 majority.

>Comments?

I would propose 2/3 majority of the votes received with a minimum of
25 votes being in that majority (or a minimum of ~37 total votes if
you would rather look at it that way).

-- 
Ed Morin
Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 (voice)
"Serving the Usenet community since 1987."
edm@nwnexus.WA.COM
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: No on Bush/Clinton
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Sep30.151518.16221
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <3103@voodoo.UUCP> stu@voodoo.boeing.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.094408.15890@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>|> 
>|>   I believe there are some states where the electoral votes are divided
>|>   along a somewhat proportional basis. 
>
>Please tell us, which states are these?  I thought they were all winner-take-
>all.  Enquiring minds want to know.

If I remember correctly, Maine is the only state that splits electoral
votes proportionally.

Theoretically, electors can vote for whomsoever they please. Realistically,
they'd be committing political suicide, but there's always hope.
-- 
Stephen Graham
graham@cs.washington.edu	 uw-beaver!june!graham
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Perot's (latest) candidacy
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:35:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3663
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep23.214611.12518@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:

>  I know what you mean.  But on the other hand, the God-damn Democrats
>  and Republicans have been fooling us for years.

Are you saying that the American public is stupid enough to allow
themselves to be fooled year after year?? Hey, I'll go along with that!

Europeans like to describe Americans as like cattle: fat, dumb and herded.

Mike
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: laurahal@microsoft.com (Laura Halliday)
Subject: Re: Proposal for pnw.motss
Date: 02 Oct 92 17:38:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: yes. da. si. ja. oui.
Distribution: pnw
Keywords: new newsgroup motss for pnw


darci chapman proposes pdx.motss.

count me in!

...laura

microsoft do not pay me to have opinions. they pay me
to write software.
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From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Organization: gte
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.211959.3022@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
> | To me, all Clinton voters look like incompetent socialists, and all Bush
> | voters look like warmongers.  If you are not either, why not be yourself?
> | Make a choice that is meaningful to YOU!
> 
>   Let's all be really individualistic and write-in our own names.
> 
>   But seriously, despite the confused rambling, I think I agree with
>   the general sentiment: Both Bush and Clinton are jokes and the country
>   is in trouble with either one.
> 
>   When it comes to the Democrats and Republicans, there is no lesser of
>   two evils, so let's start the process of reforming the system by turning
>   out a huge protest vote in this election.  It may only have a marginal
>   effect this time, but in four years when things will really be in a mess
>   under either Bush or Clinton, the current protest candidates and parties
>   will be taken more seriously.  A big protest vote might also get the
>   attention of the major parties and move them toward reforming themselves.
> 
>   Personally, as an extreme moderate, my protest vote is going to Perot.
>   He's talking straight about the deficit and he can make a big impact
>   by winning some states and some electoral votes.  And it would give some
>   hope to the millions of people who realize how bad things really are to
>   stay involved and try again in four more years.
> 
>   The important thing is to vote.  Vote for Perot or vote Green, Socialist
>   or Libertarian; write-in yourself, none-of-the-above or Harry Truman 
>   -- just don't vote for Clinton or Bush.
>   ==
> 
Amen to that!  But I'd like to add that Bo Gritz is also running (I don't
how many states though).

It's time people realized that it was the Democraps and Republicons who
got us where we are; both parties blame the other for the whole problem
when the problem is from both parties; we need outside blood to take
an honest look at the problem and undo legislation from both the
Deomcraps and the Republicons.
                  

Bumper Sticker proposal(feel free to use it for personal gain if you want!):

            Undo the Republi-Cratic Mess:
                Vote Libertarian!

                        ^^^/Green/United We Stand - Perot/Gritz/...



-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
From: eris@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Chris Beckmeyer)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: EURO-VID
Keywords: transfers
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Oct2.215916.2796
Distribution: pnw
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

thanks to all of you who responded with sources/suggestions for format
transfers.  i'm convinced it won't be a problem.

cheers-

chris
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:07:46 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>wendyt@tera.com (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>
>> 
>> Anybody know what they might drop?  Somehow I doubt it would be 34.
>> Maybe if we all promised to go to the church of their choice 34 would
>> go away.
>> ---
>
>The sci-fi channel is on 41 here in Spokane.
>
>Don't tell me that eastside Washington, the poor relative to the
>gold coast has a one up on the west????

Yup.  Must be.  Viacom in seattle only has 36 channels.

41 channels!  I'm moving to Spokane!

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
VanOver@atc.boeing.com
       "Why don't y'all go home?"     Bette Davis in The Little Foxes
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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Proposal for pnw.motss
Keywords: new newsgroup motss for pnw
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:01:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43549
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Oct2.042848.12610@nwnexus.WA.COM> osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero) writes:
>[why create specialized subsets of national groups?]

Well, pnw.forsale, or,forsale, pdx.forsale can be considered subsets of
na.forsale.  Is there a need for these highly specialized groups?

Cost is an interesting example.  Regional restrictions don't always
work.  I have posted items regionally and have had interesting responses
from all over North America.  The responding parties didn't know that
the original message had a regional restriction, all that they know is
that it showed up on their site.  If you are a person who owns a site and
must pay for a feed, getting regional messages which are of marginal value
to your site (perhaps you are a single person site or a free site so you
can't recoup your money) costs you real dollars.  This adds up.

But this doesn't address the original issue: is pnw.motss a good thing
to do for the people most likely to participate?  I tend to believe that
the answer is 'yes', given the noise we have been making on our local
lists to create this group.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Vitamins and Wasted Votes
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:31:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: klic.1992Oct6.203111.3980
Organization: KLIC

Having been embroiled in pnw.general in past arguments about food supplements
and minor party candidates, I thought I would give you pnw.mainstreamers some
"food for thought":

On June, 1985, Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton signed a state regulation which
requires a physician prescription for food supplements (vitamins) and herbs.
Come January, assuming a Democratic sweep,  I guess they'll be rounding up
the "Flintstone Kids" ;-(

A complete report may be found in the October 1992 issue of the Townsend
Newsletter for Doctors, along with the text of the regulation.  

Keith
-- 
Keith Lofstrom         keithl@klic.rain.com       Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Power ICs
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Cable Access (was Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:16:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Sep29091610
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Sep29.000053.7136@tera.com> wendyt@tera.com (Wendy Thrash) writes:
   Sounds fine, but what will they remove?  If I could get them to
   dump Channel 34 (all religion, all the time) or Channel 33 (shop
   till long after you drop) or even Channel 29 (badly-made, out-of-
   focus local access) I'd be happy, but I don't want to lose anything
   interesting, and I'm afraid they'd dump Channel 32 (Canadian TV,
   on those rare occasions when it hasn't been blacked out) or Channel
   30 (second PBS option -- probably the most likely to go).

If your "local access" channel is anything like anywhere else in the
country, I suspect that you don't watch it long enough to notice that
there are gems buried among the trash.

Remember that cable access is material produced by unpaid
lightly-trained members of your community who felt strongly enough
about saying something that they took the time to go through the
minimal classes and potential criticism to do it anyway. To compare
this opportunity for protection of your first amendment rights with
the commercial trash that's out there is unfair to the thousands of
volunteers at the hundreds of cable access centers across the country.

I suppose you would rather continue viewing slick, high-budget
propoganda (disguised as sitcoms and "news") pushed on us by the 100
american corporations that buy 75% of the advertising time?

Cable access... use it or lose it.  It's your chance to say what you
want about what you want and get it out to the community without
worrying about what censors or sponsors will limit for you.

(Yes, I'm biased.  I'm chairman of the board of Tualatin Valley
Community Access, providing 9 channels of public, educational, and
government access to 65,000 subscribers in Oregon.  And I vote. :-)

Just another video producer,
--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@reed.edu (guest account) merlyn@ora.com (better for permanent record)
cute quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon -- home of the California Raisins!"
Newsgroups: pnw.general,alt.politics.elections
From: davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler)
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Date: 05 Oct 92 14:30:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct3.165759.329@splat.hf.intel.com> guest@splat.hf.intel.com (subnet guest) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.185512.22951@mdd.comm.mot.com>, zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes:
>> Gun control is not a panacea, however the assertion that a proliferation of
>> guns will reduce killing is equally misguided.
>
>
>I agree.
>
>Prohibition of guns would be just as effective as the prohibition of 
>alcohol was earlier this century or the prohibition of (some) drugs
>is now.  Criminals, by definition, do not respect laws.  How many times
>must this lesson be repeated before it sinks in to the 'legislate
>away society's problems' crowd?  How can we redirect the focus of
>these well-meaning but misguided citizens from the tools associated
>with unacceptable behavior to the root causes of the behavior?
>
>

By sending such statements to our senators and representatives (and, to
a lesser degree, by sending such things to the newspaper letters section).
Find out who your representative/senator is and _write_.

	...Dave
----
Because guns are so small and easy to make, gun control laws only effect
those who choose to obey the laws. Washington DC, NY NY and LA have some
of the toughest gun control laws on the books - any questions?
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal for pnw.motss
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Keywords: new newsgroup motss for pnw
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:28:48 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>pnw.motss is intended to be a regional subset of soc.motss.  The charter
>for soc.motss is that it is a safe space for lesbians and gay men
>in which a supportive environment is fostered.
>[...]  The purpose of pnw.motss is to create a place where
>regional issues can be discussed without the noise of leafing through
>soc.motss, which has a traffic volume frequently in the hundreds of
>messages per day.


I am not at this point either in favor of, or opposed to, the creation of
this newsgroup, and I hope to read and participate in some discussions about
the proposal during the coming weeks. Purely as a starting point for that
discussion, then...

At what point is it legitimate/proper/correct for a particular subset of the
net.community to decide that they need their own *regional* newsgroup
to provide a "safe space" and "supportive environment" which meets their
needs, even though a net-wide group exists for this purpose, simply because
they feel the net-wide group is 'too noisy'? Would a proposal for a
pnw.culture.african-american be appropriate? Pnw.religion.atheism?
Seattle.rec.sewing?

I don't know the answers (though I'm sure others will have opinions!),
but I do know that such regional groups are the exception, not the
rule; regional groups tend towards far more general interest topics
(foocity.forsale, foocity.jobs.offered, etc.) -- and I think there are some
good reasons behind this. In creating these kind of highly-specialized,
single-purpose groups, is there a risk of fragmentation and Balkanization
of news groups to the extent that they become unusable (and every post is
also cross-posted to four other specialized groups, "just to make sure")?

In any case, I hope some fruitful and thoughtful discussion *does* occur
here, and the experience of seattle.forsale ("Send the control message
first, and argue later") is not repeated.

cheers...David
 
-- 
David Ruggiero  (osiris@halcyon.com)      Seattle, WA
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: slh@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Perot's (latest) candidacy
Organization: NONE
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:20:05 GMT

In article <3663@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.214611.12518@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>
>>  I know what you mean.  But on the other hand, the God-damn Democrats
>>  and Republicans have been fooling us for years.
>
>Are you saying that the American public is stupid enough to allow
>themselves to be fooled year after year?? Hey, I'll go along with that!
>
>Europeans like to describe Americans as like cattle: fat, dumb and herded.
>
>Mike

	Like I give a rat's ass what some grubby europeans think.
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com (Gary McCartney)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Reply-To: mccart@MDI.COM
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:42:22 GMT

what about removing channel 28?  This channel is just snow as far as i know.
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:59:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: eskimo.1992Oct6.205930.20598
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=

In article <1992Oct6.125947.8998@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.021322.20515@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> slh@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:
>>In article <43674@ogicse.ogi.edu> kimf@ogicse.ogi.edu (Kim Flowers) writes:

>>>Therefore we should stop trying to ban guns, and ban gun manufacturing!
>>>It's a little easier to find a gun factory than a gun.

>>	In all countries?
>That was my thought exactly!  Criminals will get their tools anywhere
>they can, because they are _criminals!_  If necessary, they will _make_
>them.  Ask any one who has worked in a prison how easy it is to make a
>gun that is effective at killing people.

   So then what we need to do is not only ban gun manufacturing but give
frontal labotomies to anyone who seems to possess the intelligence required
to make a gun.


-- 
--------- Dave ---------------- alpinist@eskimo.celesial.com ------
=   The Red Queen shook her head, `You may call it "nonsense" if  =
= you like,' she said, ` but I'VE heard nonsense, compared with   =
= which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!'-Lewis Carroll =
From: roger@mav.com (Roger Droz)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: No on Bush/Clinton
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:11:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: mav.1992Sep28.201134.6132
Organization: Maverick International Inc.

In article <1992Sep18.094145.100@shamu.ca.boeing.com> sw5695@shamu.ca.boeing.com (Steve Whisman) writes:
>> Unfortunately, a vote for anyone who doesn't have a  real chance of winning
>translates into a vote for Bush. One less vote for Clinton = one more vote
>for George.

That's what my wife thought in the recent primary when she voted in
protest that neither Eikenberry nor Morrison had made strong enough
pro-life statements to suit her.  She liked Morrison, except for his
statement that the people of Washington had decided the abortion issue
via the initiative process and he wasn't going to interfer with their
decision.  Since "he was going to win anyway", she voted for a minor,
pro-life candidate to send the next governor a message.  I hope she
likes the candiate that emerges from the recount of a close election...

The net.Libertarians have often asked for our votes, while admitting
little chance of winning.  They, and other minor players, ask for our
votes to send a positive message that we support their positions.  May
everyone find someone they can vote FOR this November.

Yes, Bush has the advantage of the incumbancy.  Yes, it is his election
to lose.  And yes, he's appears to be doing a pretty good job of losing
it.
____________
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From: marjorie@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Marjorie J Dick)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale,or.forsale,tek.forsale,pdx.forsale
Subject: WANTED bicycle
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:11:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7117
Followup-To: pnw.forsale
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


          WANTED bicycle with training wheels for 
		 3 year old boy. 

           This  is posted for Ann Edmonds  call her at 627-3177
	   do not call me.
From: nedm@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Ned Mawhirter)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Re: Hawaii trip for 2, $1000
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: intelhf.1992Oct1.170954.23637
Distribution: pnw
Organization: XTG, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR


I was the big winner in an ADA (American Diabetes Assoc.)
raffle and won a trip to Hawaii for two.  However I need the 
money more than the trip, so for $1000 you can have:

Round trip airfare for two from Portland or Seattle to Honolulu.
Round trip transport from airport to Hotel.
Seven nights at the Marine Surf Hotel in Waikiki.

All of this is worth about $1200, yours for $1000 or make offer.
Restrictions are: non-holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring-break)
and within one year from Sept. 11, 1992.

Call 696-4475 (W), 681-9222 (H).
From: ojpotter@shiva2.cac.washington.edu (Jay Potter)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale
Subject: Software Sale
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:59:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.015902.3207
Organization: UW Information Systems

I have the following software for sale (all are shrik-wrapped):

Microsoft Excel 4.0		$90
Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0	$90
Microsoft Powerpoint 3.0	$120

Please email me @ ojpotter@cac.washington.edu
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