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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: U2 Tickets for sale
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:42:40 GMT

I have 4 U2 tickets for the October 30 concert at Dodger Stadium.  If anybody
is interested, please E-mail, as I don't regularly check this newsgroup.


--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: gk@skyline.UUCP (Gary Kremen)
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: Looking to purchase Apple Internet Router Software
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:09:00 GMT
Organization: Skyline Ridge Partners
Reply-To: gk@skyline.UUCP (Gary Kremen)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5




I am looking to purchase your unused Apple Internet Router Software
.  If you are interested, give me a call at 415-949-4567 or gary@lat.com

Gary Kremen  {uunet,mips, fernwood}!dikta.chicago.com!skyline!gk, fss@btr.com
From: crmeyer@voodoo.physics.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Subject: XT motherboard wanted!
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:12:11 GMT
Organization: UCSB Physics Department



PC-XT motherboard wanted!

 I have a friend who has a IBM PC-XT clone with a dead motherboard :(
Anyone have a functioning one they would like to part with?

Thanks

                      +-----------------------------------+                    
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Newsgroups: ca.wanted,ba.wanted,rec.sport.hockey
From: maillet@wrs.com (Al Maillet)
Subject: Bay Area Ice Time
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:51:06 GMT



Hi,

    Are there any mens league teams in the bay area that have and or
    want to share some ice time with another local mens league team.
    The format could be 1/2 practice, 1/2 scrimmage, or just scrimmage
    for that matter.  We would prefer a team of our own caliber or
    better.  We are generally east coast and canadian transplants,
    who grew up playing hockey, a few have played college hockey.
    There are no beginners here.

    If interested, please contact me at:

		510-814-2076 (work, email al@wrs.com)
		415-776-4244 (Home)

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Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung)
Subject: HP 41CX for sale
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:07:55 GMT

	I have an HP-41CX for sale with the following:

		* 41CX manuals and case
		* HP-41 advantage packi with manuals
		* Math/Stat pack with manuals
		* New rechargable HP battery pack

	All of the above are in perfect condition.

	I am selling all the above for $100.00.  
	Buyer pays for COD & shipping charges.

		If interested please e-mail chungy2@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung)
Subject: 386DX 25Mhz motherboard for sale
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:09:14 GMT

For anyone interested I have the following for sale:

	* Micronics 386-25 with CPU With Cache Motherboard
		with 4Mb on board,
	* Cyrix 83D87DX-25 Math Coprocessor
	* Fully populated 2.5Mb memory board
	* ATI VGA Wonder 256K (Upgraded to 512K)
	* Manuals included for all of the above

The price is $600.00 (plus shipping charges) or best offer.
If interested please e-mail me at chungy2@aix.rpi.edu
From: brent@iam.unibe.ch (Brent Largent)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: Power Distribution and Isolation System
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:58:33 GMT
Reply-To: brent@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland


I have a Power Distribution System for sale. The DSP-2000 is made by EPE 
technologies, now also known as Topaz.   
It takes AC input power and distributes the power to
computers and other peripheral equipment at the appropriate voltage levels,
and electrically isolates the equipment from the AC input power source.

The DSP-2000 is completely self-contained, and microporcessor controlled with
an LCD screen to monitor input and output voltages. This is the high-end 
solution for distributing power to a computer room, virtually eliminating
'Brown-outs' and noise on the AC lines. 

We used the DSP-2000 at Arix Corporation to run 12 Super-mini computers, and
the associated peripheral equipment.

Specifications:

P/N 				SY084-48T12-112
AC Input			480VAC 3 phase, 60Hz
Max Input			140Amps
AC output			120VAC & 208VAC, 60Hz
Power Rating			112kVA


Electrical Noise Attenuation:
Common-mode 			-120dB
Transverse Mode			20db per decade

The cost new was over $12,000, but I will take $2,500 or a reasonable offer. 
Contact me via email or voicemail.

Brent Largent.
Email=brent@auspex.com
Vmail=(408)492-0900
From: bloschen@next.com (Brent Loschen)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: 4BR Home For Sale in Santa Clara CA
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:26:47 GMT



This 4 bedroom, 2 bath home, in the historic section of Santa Clara, was built  
near the turn of the century.  Recent renovations to the house were done to  
preserve the old home character, and bring out its natural beauty.  Here are a  
few of its features.

	- Original 3/4" oak flooring impeccably maintained
	- Stained and varnished 6 panel fir doors and trim
	- Original double hung, sash windows
	- 9 foot ceilings throughout
	- Professionally decorated, combining paint and wallpaper to maintain  
the old character
	- Brand new oak kitchen.  Recessed lighting in soffet.  New double oven  
gas range
		Top of the line Solorian flooring.
	- Both bathrooms recently remodeled.  All new Kohler fixtures.   
Pedestal sinks.
	- New forced air furnace
	- Indoor laundry/sewing room
	- 5 year old 2.5 car garage
	- New copper plumbing
	- New roof
	
The home sits on a 90'x90' (approx) sqaure foot lot, in a quite neighborhood.   
New landscaping and large yard with automatic sprinklers, provides more than  
just "curb appeal".  The yard is perfect for children, with a tan-bark covered  
play area, climbing structure, and playhouse.  

Our asking price is $285K.  Market analyses and apprasials show this home  
listing for $300K with a realtor.  We would like to sell it ourselves, allowing  
us to save both ourselves and the buyer a hefty amount.  

For more information please call:
Brent Loschen
Home (408) 247-9281 
Work (415) 780-2791

If you wish to inquire via electronic mail I can be reached at:
bloschen@next.com


Brent Loschen
From: jpasqua@next.com (Joe Pasqua)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE: 1984 Mercedes 300D
Keywords: Mercedes
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:16:55 GMT
Reply-To: jpasqua@next.com

I am posting this for my brother-in-law. Please phone him directly.

For Sale:
1984 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel
Silver with blue interior
Perfect condition, second owner
Extras:
1. CD Player
2. Mercedes sheep skin seat covers
3. Mercedes custom floor mats
4. Custom dash cover
5. Power sunroof
6. Power locks and windows

Car has been serviced meticulously. All records available.

130,000 miles
Price: $10,500 or best offer
This is close to mid blue-book I believe.

For information contact:
Dan Kenney
Fresno Area
209 336-2667

You can call before 7:00 am or after 5:00 pm.
From: tnele@rrc.chevron.com (Nathan Leon)
Newsgroups: ca.forsale
Subject: Mac software
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:22:29 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Macintosh Software for Sale:
============================
						Street(*)	Asking
TechWorks GraceLAN					
	Network Manager 2.0			689		549
	   (Corp Version)				
	Asset Manager				499		390
	Update Manager				285		229
	   (Multiple Zone Version)			
Apple Inter-Poll				   		49
StatusMac 3.0 (100 user copy)			749		590
Central Point MacTools 2.0			99		79
After Hours					
	DateBook				79		63
	TouchBASE				79		63
	Both					125		95
Dantz					
	Retrospect Remote			264		219
	   (4 user copy)				
	DiskFit Pro				72		59
EA PGA Tour Golf				39		29
MicroFrontier ColorIt! 1.0.4			169		79
DeltaPoint Taste 1.02c						59
CompuServe Info Mgr 1.03					39
Personal Training for Aldus FreeHand 2.0			29
   (Beg level)					
NEC CDR-72 CD ROM Drive						395
					
					
* Prices based on MacWarehouse and MacConnection (9/92)	

(209) 836-0823  Leave a message.
Make me an offer!

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Newsgroups: ca.environment
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:30:13 GMT

In article <2926876536.0.p00004@psilink.com> p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith) writes:
>>DATE:   Fri, 18 Sep 1992 09:59:53 GMT
>>FROM:   Brian K. Yoder <brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
>> ...  I am of the opinion that destroying the 
>>property of others is wrong.  Do you see a problem with that?

>Surely the only rational answer is, it depends: whose property, and what
>is it being used for. No one would deny, for example, that destroying the
>private property of the German railways taking people to Auschwitz would 
>have been a very good thing to do. 

Since such railroads were "stolen property" (stolen by the government from 
the previous owners) and since the property was being used to violate the
rights of others (the concentration camp victims), it is a matter of 
self-defense (even proxy self-defense) to bomb them.  It is a situation
analogous to a policeman taking a gun away from someone who has stolen from
me.  If you know what property rights and and why they exist, it is quite
simple to see when they apply.

>Cases that are controversial generally
>turn out to depend on what you think of the underlying activity. 

What it depends on is whether the activity violates someone else's rights.
There is no such thing as a right to violate the rights of others.

>As 
>always, close examination will reveal that absolutely nobody really 
>gives a hang about comprehensive, abstract principles (like "private 
>property"). Appeals to such principles are mere rhetoric.

I have a surprise for you.  I am such a person.  I care a great deal about 
comprehensive abstract principles.  Your admission is telling though.  You 
apparently don;t care about ideas or principles.  Your claim is an admission
that your use of words and ideas is merely a ruse to get your way rather than
a way of learning about the world.  If you are admitting that your use of words
has no relation to the facts of reality, why don;t you just shut up and go
away?

--Brian
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Proxy Self-Defense of the Earth
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:05:26 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <1332900109@igc.apc.org>
 by alanm@igc.apc.org (Alan McGowen):

: For that matter, all property everywhere is stolen from its previous fauna 
: and flora and commonly used to drive the majority of its species inventory
: extinct -- perhaps a worse violation of "natural rights" than even genocide.

Are you really going to say that all human life should cease and return 
"ownership" of the earth to the flora and fauna?

That's OK, if that's what you want to say, just say it so we'll know.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
If guns are outlawed, how will we shoot the liberals?
From: wipke@moldes.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Environmental Chemistry Courses
Date: 6 OCT 92 10:37:46 PDT
Organization: UCSC Molecular Engineering Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: moldes.ucsc.edu

We are considering development of a new course in environmental chemistry
and would like to hear from anyone that has such a course about the content,
level, and clientel.  Thank you for your help.

Nicolas Ladizinsky
University of California
Santa Cruz, CA
95064
nick@secs.ucsc.edu
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Keywords: slow-growth, taxes, property
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:01:44 GMT
            <5292@gold.gvg.tek.com>
            <BvB2sB.5nx@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
            <1aii0eINN4b0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <1aii0eINN4b0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
 by bafta@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (dragon-monster):

: In article <BvB2sB.5nx@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us 
: (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
:> In article <5292@gold.gvg.tek.com> mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. 
:> Anderson) writes:
:>> In article <Buv3CJ.Kyu@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us 
:>> (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
:
: [example of fisherman vs upstream logger]

: [the downstream victim can sue the upstream perpetrator]

:> Should someone have to prove a harmful consequence?
:> Or is it just generall bad and therefore justifiably forbidden?

: What should really happen is that the burden of proof should be on the
: forest owner, to demonstrate that his actions will *not* be harmful.

Well, I'm sorry, but this nation was founded on the principle of "innocent
until proven guilty."  If you want to change that, fine, say so.  But it's
a different thread, to be taken up in talk.politics.theory.

In the meantime, you can't do that.  Under current practices, at least
the way current practices are _supposed_ to be, the burden of proof is
on the plaintiff, not the defendant.

:> I say the same thing.  First, I can't see that having a few more people 
:> driving down your street causes any tangible harm.  
:
: Maybe when this happens to you and *your* property values plummet, you
: will sing a different tune.

For someone who believes in principles, I doubt it.  Perhaps you could
make that accusation against congress-critters, who will happily flip-
flop with the political wind.

You can not "own" property values.  If you are the first black to move
into a neighborhood, and it can be proven that you caused property
values to plummet, should you be liable to recompense everyone for lost
equity?

I don't think so.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Crime does not pay...as well as politics.
    -- A. E. Newman
Newsgroups: ca.environment
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:20:50 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Fri, 18 Sep 1992 09:59:53 GMT
>FROM:   Brian K. Yoder <brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
> ...  I am of the opinion that destroying the 
>property of others is wrong.  Do you see a problem with that?
>
>--Brian
>

Surely the only rational answer is, it depends: whose property, and what
is it being used for. No one would deny, for example, that destroying the
private property of the German railways taking people to Auschwitz would 
have been a very good thing to do. Cases that are controversial generally
turn out to depend on what you think of the underlying activity. As 
always, close examination will reveal that absolutely nobody really 
gives a hang about comprehensive, abstract principles (like "private 
property"). Appeals to such principles are mere rhetoric.
From: alanm@igc.apc.org (Alan McGowen)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Proxy Self-Defense of the Earth
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:14:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1332900109:000:1729
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!alanm    Oct  1 17:14:00 1992


Another poster wrote:

>>No one would deny, for example, that destroying the
>>private property of the German railways taking people to Auschwitz would 
>>have been a very good thing to do. 
>

Brian Yoder wrote:

>Since such railroads were "stolen property" (stolen by the government from 
>the previous owners) and since the property was being used to violate the
>rights of others (the concentration camp victims), it is a matter of 
>self-defense (even proxy self-defense) to bomb them.  It is a situation
>analogous to a policeman taking a gun away from someone who has stolen from
>me.  If you know what property rights and and why they exist, it is quite
>simple to see when they apply.

Yes, for example: since all the property in the Western Hemisphere was stolen
from its previous native owners and used to violate their rights, sometimes
rather genocidally, Earth First! e.g. is probably just engaging in belated
self-defense -- or maybe it's "proxy self-defense".

For that matter, all property everywhere is stolen from its previous fauna 
and flora and commonly used to drive the majority of its species inventory
extinct -- perhaps a worse violation of "natural rights" than even genocide. 
To prevent such destruction, by force if necessary, is just "proxy 
self-defense", as Brian Yoder says, and as Edward Abbey says as well.

"If you know what property rights really are and why they exist, it is quite 
simple to see when they apply." Yup, we'll remember that one. And "proxy
self-defense" -- I really love that concept. That's exactly what is needed
of us humans -- a "proxy self-defense" of the Earth, the endangered common 
property of all life. Thanks for that thought, Brian.

------------
Alan McGowen
Newsgroups: ca.environment,talk.environment
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:47:39 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:41:01 GMT
>FROM:   Brian K. Yoder <brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
[ much material deleted, including test case about rightness of bombing 
railroads to Auschwitz]
>You think that Hitler built the railroads himself?  Had them built with his
>own money?  With money voluntarily expended at his direction?  

My point was that as far as I know, the German railroads (like nearly 
all of German industry) remained in the hands of its original owners 
after Hitler came to power. You seem to be under the impression that 
Hitler and the big German corporations were antagonistic; in fact they 
were quite cozy. Alfried Krupp was more the rule than the exception. 


[ much, much more material deleted ]

> Your comments indicate to me
>that you don't believe in the use of abstractions of ANY kind to understand
>reality, is that right?

 I'm afraid we're talking past each other. We've each said our piece; 
let's leave it at that.

--Michael Smith
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: Berkeley Traffic Court
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:36:02 GMT

George Wu (gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com) wrote:
:      Actually, the speed trap defense *doesn't* apply to Adeline and
: parts of Martin Luther King near the elevated BART tracks.  This area
: is posted with signs using the word "SENIOR."  As with the case with
: signs using the word "SCHOOL," the posted speed limit is the absolute
: maximum speed at which one may travel, and exceeding that limit is
: an automatic conviction.  No traffic survey is needed, again, because
: the Basic Speed Law specifically exempts areas so marked.

I know about the senior center, which is near Stuart, I believe.  But there 
is no special exception due to the BART tracks a couple of blocks away,
that I am aware of.
: 
:      In Hang 'Em High Rantzmann's court, the officer and judge are well
: versed in the use of the Basic Speed Law defense.  Any attempt to object
: to the officer's introduction of radar based testimony will be "noted by
: the court."  Rantzmann will later prompt the officer, mentioning your
: objection, and asking if the officer has anything to say.  The officer
: will them specify the exemption.
: 
If you get Rantzmann again, perhaps a good idea would be to use your
discretionary motion to have a new judge.

:      I thought there might be grounds for an appeal because the judge
: acted as prosecution.  However, it seems quite difficult to win such a
: case.  For one, I did not ask for a court reporter to record the
: proceedings.
: 
Yes, an appeal is an uphill battle; and probably fruitless.  But the lack
of a trial record is not a bar.  You and the judge propose statements of
fact and have a special hearing to resolve the two.

:      According to Brown in "Fight Your Ticket," going to traffic school
: *after* a conviction does not alter your traffic record.  

What I was saying was that you can appeal to the court in equity, and in
Berkeley, often as not you will be granted traffic school and having your
record absolved.  Ideally (and constitutionally), the law should not
punish you more for exercising your due-process rights and for having
pled not guilty.  This guy Rantzmann doesn't sound like a promising one
to try this on, though.

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From: avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Berkeley Traffic Court
Date: 6 Oct 1992 06:42:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct2.184946.4076@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>     According to Brown in "Fight Your Ticket," going to traffic school
>*after* a conviction does not alter your traffic record.  You *may* be
>able to avoid the fine, but the conviction still goes on your record.
>This is also what Rantzmann seems to be saying in the pre-arraignment
>tape he plays before beginning each session of arraignments.  With the
>latest change in the law requiring the defendant to pay *both* the fine
>and traffic school fees for *pre-arraignment* traffic school assignment,
>I somehow doubt post-conviction traffic school is worth it.  Am I wrong?
>Is there a judge out there tossing out convictions if the guilty party
>will take traffic school?
>
I was contesting a non-radar speeding ticket for 35-40 in [allegedly]
25-mph zone on the basis that prima facie 25 mph limit applies to business
and residence districts while the street where I was cited is neither of
them (see the CVC definitions of business and residence districts).
Rantzman: Why are you telling that [CVC quotes] to me?
Me: To demonstrate that the implied speed limit of 25 mph does not 
apply here.
Rantzman: Well, what is the speed limit here, in your opinion?
Me: 55, since no sign is posted.
Rantzman: He-he. I believe the limit is 25 everywhere in the city (!!)
[Although, no further implications]
Rantzman, to the officer: Do you consider his speed safe at that time?
Officer Mansfield: *I* consider any speed over 30 unsafe.
...
Rantzman, to me: The court finds you guilty, although you may attend
the traffic school, and the conviction will not appear on your driving
record.
[Note that I did have a previous traffic conviction, so it is only
up to the judge to assign traffic school]
I assume it is the judge's authority to decide whether the conviction
in such case appears on your record.

-- 
Tony Konashenok   avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu   (510)527-7524 (home)
University of California, Berkeley                 (510)642-5831 (office)

Strauss research group, Latimer Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley CA 94720, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: ca.driving