HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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X-Envelope-to: PMDF-L@IRLEARN.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM"
X-VMS-Cc: IN%"GREENBJB@SNYONEVA.BITNET", IN%"IPMDF@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU"
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Mail-System-Version: <VAX-MM(312)+TOPSLIB(155)+PMDF(4.1)@INFOODS.MIT.EDU>
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:15:58 GMT
From:         John C Klensin <KLENSIN@INFOODS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Tracking Messages
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

>PMDF tries to make this happen as much as possible but cannot guarantee it.
>There are many cases where it isn't possible. Here are a few of them:

Ned,
  You left out one very important one:  With current versions of NJE
support on many hosts, generation of these messages is optional.  As I
understand it, the trend is probably to *not* generate them, i.e., fewer
sites are sending them back now than used to.   If the messages are not
generated in the first place, they aren't going to get to the end user
no matter what PMDF does :-(.

>> I need to understand the details of these messages better so I know why we
>> sometimes get them and sometimes don't.
   You are at the mercy of almost everything downstream from you, and
well as the issues about your own configuration that Ned reviewed.
Sometimes you will get them, sometimes you won't.  The only thing you
can guarantee if you want to is *not* getting them.  Otherwise, treat it
as a great mystery of life and forget "understand[ing] the details".

   -john
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From: DAN@INNOSOFT.COM (Daniel C. Newman)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l
Subject: API availability
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:57:06 GMT
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Several people experienced problems FTPing the API kit.  Just my luck that
the system serving the disks decided to have some disk problems this
morning.  Those problems seem tobe fixed now.  The API kit is in the
same place -- [.API]API.BKP.  In addition to ymir.claremont.edu, you
can also use hmcvax.claremont.edu.  After I've rebooted the Innosoft
cluster (this evening), the API kit will also be available from
thor.innosoft.com which has an Internet link with better performance.

Dan
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:09:21 GMT
From:         Eddy BELIVEAU <S503@HEC.CA>
Subject:      How to remove X-ENVELOPE-TO when using MAILLIST
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Date:   8-OCT-1992 15:48:07

Hi! I'm using PMDF 4.1
    And we are beginning to use the MAIL SERVER Channel

    One of my users told me the following:

    When he send a message to a list, the message is delivered correctly
    but on the header, you will see a line named X-ENVELOPE-TO which
    give the list of many dozens of username...

    Is there a way to (1) remove that line from the header
                   or (2) preferably, substitute the name of the list
                          instead of the list of all users subscribed to
                          that list
                          example:        X-ENVELOPE-TO: my-list-L

    I set-up my mailing list as described in section 11.6.2.3

    $ create pmdf_mailserv_mail_dir:my-list-L.dis

    I added the next lines in PMDF_ALIAS_FILE

      my-list-L:         my-list-L-forward
      my-list-L-expand:  <pmdf_mailserv_mail_dir:my-list-L.dis, my-list-L-error
      my-list-L-request: mailserv
      my-list-L-error:   postmaster

    In MAIL, I use the following command
      > set forward/user=my-list-L-forward in%my-list-L-expand



    and I added the next command in my mail program
    $MAIL
    > set forward /user=my-list-L in%my-list-L

    This permit our users to use MY-LIST-L instead of IN%MY-LIST-L

Thank you in advance for any tips.

Eddy

=========================================================================
| EDDY BELIVEAU,                           |   Bitnet:  s503@hecmtl01   |
| Ecole des HAUTES ETUDES COMMERCIALES     | Internet:  s503@hec.ca     |
| MONTREAL         +-----------------------+----------------------------+
| Quebec, CANADA   | Phone: (514) 340-6073 | Any   horizontal  surface  |
| H3T 1V6          | Fax  : (514) 340-5637 | soon tends to be piled up  |
=========================================================================
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:48:05 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: PMDF TEST /X400 /FROM_MR=
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Define the logical names PMDF_*_MR_DATABASE locally in your process to point
at your new files.

                                Ned
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:03:56 +1000
From:         andrewr@ITD.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Problem with cc:Mail channel.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

Hi all,
        I was testing out the cc:Mail channel of PMDF with files, etc,
and everything seemed to be fine until I rolled it into production. At
this stage, mail from SMTP to cc:Mail that used to say it was from

andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au at AARNet

        in the cc:Mail export file, where AARNet is the name of the
post office as defined in cc_local_option, now says

andrewr at itd.adelaide.edu.au

        Which is a bit of a hassle as when someone tries to reply to
it, the post office gateway (we have around 12 post offices) spits it
back as an invalid post office. It's not what the manual states should
be happening, either.

        At the same time, mail going out from cc:Mail used to work if
someone selected the AARNet post office and typed
"andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au", now they get back the following (this
is the file before it gets imported back into cc:Mail)

------
Message:
From: postmaster at AARNet
Date: 13-Oct-1992 10:29:43
To: Peter Payne at ITD
Subject: Undeliverable mail: Processing failure
Contents:
Text item:
These addresses were rejected:

  andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au at AARNet: Invalid embedded RFC822 address
Text item:
Will you get this????

Peter P.
------

The answer being no. I assume it's trying to map this to
andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au@AARNet or something similar.

Here's the relevant sections of PMDF.CNF:

------
...
ccmail                          $U%ccmail.adelaide.edu.au
ccmail.adelaide.edu.au          $U@ccmail.adelaide.edu.au
ITD                             $U%itd.ccmail.adelaide.edu.au
itd.ccmail.adelaide.edu.au      $U%ITD@ccmail.adelaide.edu.au$E$F
itd.ccmail.adelaide.edu.au      $U%itd.ccmail.adelaide.edu.au@ccmail.adelaide.ed
u.au$Ccc_local
itd.ccmail.adelaide.edu.au      $U%ITD@ccmail.adelaide.edu.au
...
cc_local master reverse period 1
ccmail.adelaide.edu.au
------

And CC_LOCAL_OPTION.:

CC_GATEWAY_NAME=AARNet
CC_OUTPUT_FILE_NAME=DKA400:[POST_OFFICE]CCMAIL.IMP
CC_INPUT_FILE_NAME=DKA400:[POST_OFFICE]CCMAIL.EXP


        So my question is - why is it doing this, and what can I do to
make it do it the way it used to? I've tried a different bunch of
options on the cc_local line, but it doesn't seem to make any
difference.

Thanks in advance,
                Andrew.

/*
 * Andrew Rutherford                 andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au
 * +61 8 228 5669            Real Programmers always confuse Christmas and
 * Room 1060, Adelaide Uni      Halloween because OCT 31 == DEC 25 !
 */


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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:33:03 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: WATERLOO.EDU changed to UWATERLOO.CA ???
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

This situation is indeed illegal -- an MX record has to point at something
with an A record. Only a single level of indirection is allowed in an
MX record.

An MX pointing at an MX effectively isn't there. A system with only MXes of
this sort and no A records of its own is therefore a name with no address.
Names with no associated address aren't valid destinations for mail and
messages to them should be bounced, and this is precisely what PMDF does.

Changing domain names is fine, but you shouldn't attempt to change the
underlying information at the same time. Doing so leads to precisely this
sort of situation. If this basic principle isn't written down somewhere it
sure should be.

                                Ned
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 05:57:04 GMT
From:         Ned Freed <NED@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject:      RE: ccMail and Dates
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

This problem was fixed in PMDF V4.1-12. Contact iii@innosoft.com if you
want to arrange to get this version.

                                Ned
From: tkslen@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Lenny Miceli)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l
Subject: QUEUE_CACHE.DAT and my performance problem
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I finally had a chance to look at my local queue performance problem again.
BTW, thanks to all that replied to my previous performance problem post.

I'm not sure if this was my problem but I'm sure it helped it, I just made
the change this morning and my queue's don't normally build to 200-500 until
the afternoon.

I did a dump/head of queue_cache.dat and found that I had many, many file
header entries, I don't know how many since I did it at home with a 2400 baud
modem, it was just taking too long.  I just did a copy/cont of the file approx.
two weeks ago.  So I stopped all the queues and Jnet's
mail_daemon process since all these things will lock queue_cache.dat.  I copied
queue_cache.dat to my ESE20 with the /continous qualifier.  I modified the
pmdf_queue_cache_database logical accordingly.  Now when I started the queues
again it seems everything is running much faster.  But, the only problem is,
approx. 15 minutes after I started the queues the queue_cache file already
had over 10 extends to it.  The file was already over 9500 blocks, I'm not sure
why it is trying to extend.  I only have approx. 40 mail files in all of my
mail directories.  Since I put it on my ESE20 I can withstand many file extends
and multiple file headers for a while but, of course there is a limit.

So, question 1:
Why is the queue_cache file extending instead of reusing it's allocated blocks?

Question 2:
If the file must extend should innosoft or the user create an FDL file so that
the file is created with a big allocation so the file doesn't become
fragmented?

Thanks,
  Lenny
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              CHRIS@UCSVC.UCS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU
From:         C.Chaundy@ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU
Subject:      RE: Stuck BITNET Mail
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

>Date: 07 Oct 1992 17:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ned Freed <NED@SIGURD.INNOSOFT.COM>
>Subject: RE: Stuck BITNET Mail
>
>You can try deleting the QUEUE_CACHE.DAT file and rebuilding it from
>scratch. That's the only thing I know of you have not done.
>
>Two other sites have reported that this has happened to them. We have never
>seen it here, and our experience includes a machine that processes 3000-4000
>messages per days.

Not directly related (maybe) but a useful piece of information:

One situation where I *have* found it necessary to delete the QUEUE_CACHE.DAT
file and rebuild it from scratch is when I have manually moved files from one
channel directory to another and I want to get them picked up for delivery.
The SYNCH_CACHE.EXE program seems to note that the message is already in the
file and does not updated the channel the message is associated with, and so
when the master program goes to look for the message, it looks in the 'wrong'
directory, cannot open the message file and just goes on...

Regards, Chris Chaundy (Technical Manager, Networks)

Information Technology Services, Thomas Cherry Building,
The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052 Australia
Phone:    +61 3 344 7045                Fax:   +61 3 347 4803
Internet: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU  (X.121 505233430003)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:10:41 GMT
From:         Bob Tinkelman <bob@CAMB.COM>
Subject:      Reverse-rewriting an empty From:-header
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pmdf-l

I sometimes see ``service messages'' from Message Router which produce
mail with empty From:-headers.  My first thought was to rewrite such
empty From:-headers so that the mail came from the postmaster.

(1) Is this a good idea?
(2) If so, can I do it with the REVERSE mapping?  I haven't been able to
    figure it out so far.
(3) Is there some way to prevent this ``empty From:-header'' situation
    from arising in the first place?
(4) What's the prospect on standardization on the format of these
    Service messages?

Attached is one such message.









From:   IN%"<>"  6-OCT-1992 23:41:58.66
To:     IN%"TINKELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org"
CC:
Subj:   Service Message

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:14:33 CDT
              <ASHE-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
From:         Melissa Clement <C507657@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Welcome

On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:30:19 CST Terry D. Mathias (618) 453-7419 said:
>Melissa Clement, welcome.  Why not start us off with a question of interest
>to you?  . . . maybe something about the current status of some issue or
>topic on college campuses today.            Terry Mathias, SIUC
One topic that caused a major discussion in one of my classes yesterday was
assessment.  There was much resistance to an exercise that had us brainstorming
how we would go about setting up assessment tools for students upon graduation,
and five years later, if we were mandated to do so by our Board of Curators.
This hypothetical situation brought out many negative feelings about assessment
and its validity,reliability,cost,etc.  I was just wondering about how the
attitude might be at different campuses,what kind of designs are in place now,
etc.  Recently we have had the C-BASE required of students who have completed
60 hours, before they can register for their junior year, and I wasn't sure if
this had stirred up the negative views more than usual, or if it is like that
at other campuses.  Basically, after all this babbling, I just want to know
others' opinions on the whole issue. Thanks.

Melissa Clement
C507657@MIZZOU1
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:20:25 CDT
              <ASHE-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
From:         Bonnie Stewart <C072572@MIZZOU1.BITNET>

This is just to say hello.  I recently joined this listserv and am
watching to learn how it works.  I work on campus in the vcational
library.                       Bonnie Stewart
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:05:00 CST
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From:         ACADGERRY@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:      assessment

Well Melissa, you sure know how to pick a topic. I should add that the
topic of higher ed. assessment is the focus of a complete discussion list
(assess@ukcc.uky.edu). Having been the director of academic assessment on
our campus for 5 years, my first response to your question regarding percept-
ions about assessment is that when it is done well, it is an effective tool
in the planning and evaluation cycle of institutions, departments, and even
classrooms. The problems are many, but the most frequently encountered
include 1)lack of familiarity with the process/methods, thus producing
poor implementation and use of results 2)mandates from legislatures, etc.
that arise from misunderstandings and misplaced motivations.
I'd be happy to go on, but I know that I dislike long-winded responses, and
prefer to hear from a number of people. Gerry Dizinno
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              <ASHE-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
From:         Daniel Blaine <DANIEL@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Position Announcement

                ASSISTANT OR ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR
                  University of Hawaii at Manoa
                      College of Education
              Department of Educational Psychology
                   Telephone:  (808) 956-7775

     The UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII at Manoa, Department of Educational
Psychology intends to make a full-time, tenure-track, 9-month
appointment effective August 1, 1993.  Applications are invited
from candidates in all areas of educational psychology, including
(but not restricted to) learning, development, and cognition.
Candidates are expected to have a strong scholarly orientation.
Responsibilities:  The successful candidate will teach basic
undergraduate courses in educational psychology and graduate
courses in human learning, cognition, or development; conduct
research; advise graduate degree candidates; and participate in
teacher education, departmental and other interdisciplinary
activities.  Minimum Qualifications:  Assistant Rank - earned
doctorate in educational psychology or related discipline, with
evidence of effective teaching experience at the college/university
level, strong methodological background, and demonstrated research
ability.  Associate Rank - additional evidence of scholarly
productivity sufficient for appointment to graduate faculty and
four years in rank as assistant professor.
     The Department is administratively within the College of
Education and has graduate programs leading to the M.Ed. and the
Ph.D.  The current faculty members (four professors, one associate
professor, and two assistant professors) have research interests in
learning, development, cognition, and quantitative methods.
     The University of Hawaii at Manoa is a doctoral/research
institution with approximately 20,000 students on the campus.  It
is part of the larger University of Hawaii system which enrolls
over 50,000 students per year.
     The applicant should send a letter specifying the academic
rank for which he/she is applying; a curriculum vitae; evidence of
effective teaching; copies of publications; names, addresses, and
phone numbers of five references; and a doctoral transcript to Dr.
Harold Ayabe, Chair, Educational Psychology Department, College of
Education, University of Hawaii at Manoa, 1776 University Avenue,
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822.  Inquiries may also be addressed to
edpsych@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu or edpsych@uhunix.BITNET.  Review of
materials will begin on November 16, 1992 and will continue until the
position is filled. The minimum 9-month salary at the rank of assistant
professor is $40,000 and at the rank of associate professor is
$47,000.

The University of Hawaii is an affirmative action/equal opportunity
employer.
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From:         Irv Cockriel Missouri University <EDRSR438@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Plus (+) and Minus (-) Grading

  Plus (+) and Minus (-) Grading

Are there colleges or universities using (+) and (-) grading to the
traditional A, B, C, D, and F system?  If so, how satisfied are
you with the (+) and (-) grading?

Are there disadvantages with the (+) and (-) system?

Irv Cockriel   EDRSR438@MIZZOU1
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:36:29 GMT+0100
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From:         Elisabeth Meze <Elisabeth.Meze@UIBK.AC.AT>

please put me from the list
elisabeth meze
From: KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU (GILBERT KLAJMAN)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ashe-l
Subject: RE: Plus (+) and Minus (-) Grading
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:39:00 GMT
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Hi, Irv,

Montclair State instuted +- grading about two years ago.  This was partly in
response to the demands of undergraduates that the grading more accurately
reflect differences in the performances of students.  Some were bothered
that students doing B+ and B- work (nearly a full grade of difference) would
nevertheless appear to have done equally well when it came time to issuing
transcripts.  Others guessed that introducing +- might raise grades, since
instructors needing to give the benefit of the doubt might have an easier
time changing a C+ to a B- .  Instructors themselves predicted that the
 oppositeeffect would result (B's would now show up as C+'s or B-'s).

I'm sorry I don't have any data on the actual impact.  But you query certainly
 stimulates me to ask for it!

Good luck.

Gil Klajman, Sociology, Montclair State, Upper Montclair, NJ  07043
KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU
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