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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 20 Dec 92 10:18:45 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <42740@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
> In article <18655@mindlink.bc.ca> Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
>>Being a Canadian, not an American, lawyer, can a lawyer out there tell us
>>whether the executive even has the power to "pardon" someone who has not been
>>tried or convicted?  I would think not, so really the discussion must have
>>been about whether Fischer should have been charged.
> 
> 
> Richard Nixon was pardoned without being convicted, although the
> efforts to impeach him could be interpreted as a "trial" (even
> though the process was incomplete due to Ford's pardon of Nixon).

Just a fine point here, as you have the bulk of it right. There were no
efforts made formally to impeach Nixon. Talk of it, yes. But until the
proceedings would have begun, hey were speculation at best.

> 
> Ford's pardon of Nixon was very carefully worded - he excused the
> former executive of any breaches of the law "he may have comitted."
> 
> 
> 
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From: xawemmer@cs.ruu.nl (Xander Wemmers)
Subject: Re: Fischer to play Ljubojevic
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:59:37 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Dec16.202059.1367@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:

>Isn't Linares the adopted hometown of Ljubojevic?
>
>Just curious.
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger

Yes, Ljubojevic moved from Yugoslavia to Linares, just like Valery Salov.

Probably they were attracted to this town after playing the tournament(s) in
Linares.

Maybe Linares will be the future hometown for Fischer :-)


Xander
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From: arimakel@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Ari Kalevi Makela)
Subject: Re: Alekhine attack in French defense
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:48:38 GMT

In <1992Dec17.151250.19481@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>     I always thought it was called that also, but recently
>     a friend of mine called it:

>     Albin-Chatard Attack!

>     I thought he was wrong, but showed me 2 different citings
>     with this name (one was Openings for the Club Player, Harding).
>     In most books I've seen it it's called Alekhine-Chatard, as
>     was said here.

>     Does anyone know the definitive answer here?

>-Mark

BCO calls it Albin-Chatard. And Alekhine writes in his comments for
Alekhine-Fahrni, Mannheim 1914:

"6. h4!

This energetig move has been especially played in off-hand games by the
ingenious Paris amateur, M. Eugene Chatard, and previously by the
Viennese master, A. Albin
  It was during the present game that it was introduced for the first
time in a master tournament."

-- 
Ari K. M{kel{		    Department of Radiochemistry
ari.makela@helsinki.fi      University of Helsinki

"Night must fall now - darker, darker"
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From: breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis Breuker)
Subject: Re: Alekhine attack in French defense
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:38:09 GMT

arimakel@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Ari Kalevi Makela) writes:

>In <1992Dec17.151250.19481@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>>     I always thought it was called that also, but recently
>>     a friend of mine called it:

>>     Albin-Chatard Attack!

>>     I thought he was wrong, but showed me 2 different citings
>>     with this name (one was Openings for the Club Player, Harding).
>>     In most books I've seen it it's called Alekhine-Chatard, as
>>     was said here.

>>     Does anyone know the definitive answer here?

>>-Mark

>BCO calls it Albin-Chatard. And Alekhine writes in his comments for

BCO 2 calls it Alekhine-Chatard Attack (p. 246, note 23)

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From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Zollner Gambit
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:34:39 GMT
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What is the Zollner Gambit in the Sicilian Dragon?  I came across this
name while browsing through the "Oxford" book on chess.  It didn't give
any moves.

-benoni
From: ck832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen Leary)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:16:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen Leary)
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In a previous article, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) says:

>In article <1992Dec17.172653.15466@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (paul.h.nelson) writes:
>
>   I don't know about UCSF membership, but the traffic in this newsgroup
>   has increase significantly.  I'd say at least double, wouldn't you?
>
>   Paul Nelson
>   Bell Labs
>   Naperville, IL
>
>Well, perhaps, but you might wish to examine the coincidence that DMC
>began posting recently.  Might be a correlation in there somewhere.
>
>Joev
>--

Well gawsh, *somebody* had to pick up the slack when Sven left, and
those 1700-rated wannabe netgods aren't easy to replace! ;-)

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gsandova@condor.dpi.udec.cl (Gustavo Sandoval T)
Subject: thanks for bulletins
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:12:42 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

I'm : gsandova@condor.dpi.udec.cl
From: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: computer chess postings
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
Originator: steven@tain

In article 4698@cis.uab.edu, hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.155922.26260@chemeng.ed.ac.uk> steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk writes:
>>Much of the above contibution (by Robert Hyatt) is true. However:
>>(a) most computers are hopeless at strategic play, e.g. endgames. Can a $300 
>>    machine mate with K+B+B v K, when the mate isn't immediate?
>
>Surprisingly, yes.  Harry Nelson wrote a simple algorithm (one of many) that
>allows Cray Blitz to mate with bishop and knight against king with very shallow
>searches (3-4 ply max).  While I don't know exactly what Fidelity put in the
>Mach III for such cases, it could be done quite simply.  Most programs try to
>drive the king to an edge and then a corner, and the B+B ending is pretty
>easy.  The B+N ending is harder because you have to choose the right corner.
>Other endings are accomplished nearly as easily, but there are many (non-
>mating types) that are almost impossible without deep searches.

Perhaps I chose a poor example. A computer only knows how to force an elementary
mate because it has been specifically programmed to know how. There are any
number of positions where you need to play STRATEGICALLY, eg White has Ke1, Pawns
on f2, g2 and h2, whilst Black has Ke8 and Pawns on f7, g7 and h7. Early chess
computers were very adept at losing this position with either colour. Of course,
if they are allowed to search 50 ply deep ....


>>(b) computers don't blow smoke in your face, don't write their move down on a 
>>    scoresheet they then hide beneath a captured pawn, etc. The psychology of
>>    OTB chess still has to be learnt, and IS important.
>
>good point.  The first master we defeated in a tournament game (1981 Mississippi
>Closed Championship) later did an interview in the Jackson, MS Clarion Ledger
>and complained that his "intimidating" style of play was "lost" on the computer,
>that it ignored his smashing the clock, slamming pieces around, moving quickly,
>etc.  An amusing (to the Cray Blitz group, anyway) set of comments.  Now,
>you complain that the machine doesn't do these???   :^)  It would be easier
>to make it smash the clock than to search deeper..... alas....
>
>Bob

Playing chess against a good electronic opponent WILL improve your chess 
"strength". I am saying that, to get results against humans, you will have to 
overcome off-putting behaviour as well as good moves; the psychological side has 
to be learnt over the board. You can only get so far playing against a computer.
Obviously it is nice to have a well-behaved and gracious opponent, and computers
tend to behave themselves (who would complain about that?) but you must be prepared 
to meet all sorts of fruitcakes.

Steve
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:29:53 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi> an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
>GM Fischer indicted!
>Arrest warrant issued!!
>
>Should U.S. chessplayers
>lobby outgoing President Bush
>for an executive pardon???
>

Only if Fischer agrees to play nude against Polgar.  She can wear
whatever she wants.

	jason
	Worst Chessplayer In The Galaxy
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: A warrant issued for Bobby Fischer's arrest.
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:19:52 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <DUBACH1.92Dec15181037@husc10.harvard.edu>, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) writes:
> Just saw it on the news.  Now, to the question, "If the UN prohibited 
> going to New York, would you ignore them?"  Answer: not if they could
> get the U.S. to throw me in jail.
> 
> Joev
> --

I love it, the US constitution does not extend beyond the U.S. borders to
protect you, but the laws can reach into the Eastern Bloc areas to smite those
who disobey the whims of the politically powerful.

"Your Honor, counsel for the Defense, Ladies and gentleman of the jury. The
State today shall prove that the defendant, Boby Fischer, is guilty of playing
chess in Yugoslavia!"

Sounds like the opening of a Monty Python skit.

DMC
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LI
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:08:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec13.234531.16988@cis.uab.edu>, sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.154655.465@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>
>>Now, let me state it clearly, as Mr. Wedding has been repeatedly calling for
>>others to do:
>>
>>"What basis are the GMs using for saying that Fischer is not as good as he
>>was?"
> 
> 
> His recent games.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
> sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
> (205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
> (205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170

Well Christ, I guess I never saw it that way! What stunning logic. What
unquestionable proof. (Kenneth must either be God, a parent, or a GM!)

DMC
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:00:51 EST
From: <AER107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
 <1992Dec16.182332.2727@colorado.edu> <1gpafnINN8bb@tamsun.tamu.edu>

Mr. Harrington wrote that Fischer should not be sent to prison because he
would be taking the place of someone who is actually a threat to society.  Mr.
Cosgrove wrote that Fischer has broken no laws.

Firstly, does anyone seriously believe that if Fischer goes to prison (read: if
Fischer returns to the U.S.), that he would go to anything other than a mini-
mum security prison.  In other words, he would not be placed in a prison which
houses any violent offenders.  He would not even be in a prison where crowding
is even an issue.  Secondly, as far as breaking no laws, Fischer has broken the
American law.  If he returns to the U.S., he tacitly accepts the jurisdiction
of the U.S. government.  He willfully broke American law.  Therefore, he
deserves to be punished if he maintains any of the benefits of American citi-
zenry.  From this it can be seen that neither Mr. Harrington's nor Mr.
Cosgrove's arguments are valid reasons why Fischer should remain out of prison.

Alex Richman
AER107@PSUVM.psu.edu
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From: jens@kssun3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Jens Schweikhardt 07151690270)
Subject: Promote a pawn to a pawn?
Organization: Computer Center U o Stuttgart, Communications Dept, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:46:04 GMT

Hello chess experts!

I have followed this discussion about promoting a pawn
and want to know if I *have* to promote it. I can think
of situations where it is advantageous to "promote"
the pawn to a pawn. For example to force a stalemate in the
next move.
Is this allowed? Or do I have to chose either a N B R or Q?
I didn't find this question on the FAQ list. Please e-mail,
I will summarize. Thank You!
-- 
jens@kssun3.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Jens Schweikhardt)
Communications Dept. - University Of Stuttgart, Germany

For a nice talk call 1-800-dev-null
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From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Chess computer game... which one?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:51:25 GMT

ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:

>The new Knightstalker 2 seems to be pretty improved.  Also, news has it
>that Richard Lang is releasing his own PC program - it seems that his
>employer (Hegener & Glaser, Munich) for whom he wrote the MEPHISTO programs
>does a fast decline since they bought Fildelity America and lost a lot
>of money...

>ralf
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>int a=10000,b,c=2800,d,e,f[2801],g;main(){for(;b-c;)f[b++]=a/5;for(;d=0,g=c*2;c
>-=14,printf("%.4d",e+d/a),e=d%a)for(b=c;d+=f[b]*a,f[b]=d%--g,d/=g--,--b;d*=b);}

I think it's now called "Fritz II".  Have you gotten a copy yet?!  I will
be a beta tester of it, and plan to test it extensively against M-Chess
Professional and Zarkov 2.6.  It would be great if Lang's program also
were available for the PC (or Mac).
 
Looking at the pairings in the recent computer tourney in Spain, it seems
that M-Chess Pro was relatively unlucky (had to play many more difficult
opponents) compared to several programs that finished higher.  Likewise,
some that finished surprisingly high had incredibly easy pairings.

Just not enough rounds.  I can't wait to see the results of detailed
program-vs.-program tests done at various time controls.
From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: USCF Rating
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:15:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Dec17.021545.11736
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

Kenneth Sloan writes
> 
> 1) in a given event, the unrated players are rated first.  Usually, this
> is possible.  Then, you use the POST-event ratings for the unrateds as
> their PRE-event ratings when rating the other players.

Not sure if you knew this, but also in a given even , the provisional players are  
rated before the established players..  I don't think this is accounted for in the  
program....

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From: breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis Breuker)
Subject: Re: Alekhine attack in French defense
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:17:37 GMT

marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino) writes:

>Hi, I've heard about the Alekhine attack on French defense but I did not
>found any reference about it on my (rather scarce) collection of chess
>books. Anyone in the net could help me enlightning me?

>Thank you.

It's the variation after (actually it's called Alekhine-Chatard):
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4!?

(for instance 6...Bxg5 7.hxg5 Qxg5 8.Nh3 ...)

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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:21:52 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec17.095055.9543@chemeng.ed.ac.uk>, steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix) writes:
> In article 483@uoft02.utoledo.edu, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu () writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Dec14.192826.2582@chemeng.ed.ac.uk>, steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix) writes:   
> ....
>  >> Is anyone denying that the venues for the match were in the UN sanctions region,
>>> that blood is being shed within a hundred miles of the match site, and that
>>> Fischer's contemptuous treatment of his mother country is ... contemptible? 
> 
>>Jesus Christ. More people died in New York from violence during the match than
>>died in Yugoslavia. If the U.N. were to forbid going to NYC, would you care
>>what they said?
> 
> Oh I am so sorry. I temporarily forgot that there is absolutely no difference
> between blacks killing blacks in New York ghettoes (widespread poverty I expect,
> etc) and a policy of mass genocide in Yugoslavia, where people have a choice
> between signing away all their possessions and getting killed. Of course, both

Hey good distinction--in NY, when you are killed, you aren't given the option
of signing away your goods so you can live. They just kill you and steal your
Reboks.
 
I guess New York IS worse...



> events are just the fault of one nation, so the UN ought not intervene in either
> case.
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> Personally, I don't think Fischer is as good as Kasparov. But I would be 
>>> delighted to be proved wrong if Fischer plays any further matches. If he 
>>> doesn't, then who can disprove the claim that he only came back for the money?
>>
>>Even if he did play, how could you disprove it? A man's motives are something
>>even the best court in the world can only guess at.
>>
>>DMC
> 
> Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Some people have said that FS-II was fixed,
> for financial gain to the players and for publicity for the sponsor. I would not
> be surprised if Spassky plays a few exhibition matches then retires from chess
> with his "winnings". If Fischer immediately retires again, then the whole match 
> will look nauseatingly like a complete charade.  

Why, did you expect Fischer to start going down and start playing chess in the
park once he won?

DMC
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Subject: Fischer Indicted
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:55:23 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


A federal grand jury in Washington indicted Bobby Fischer yesterday on
a charge of violating the economic sanctions on Yugoslavia by defending
his "World Championship" from September to November.

If convicted Fischer faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in jail plus
a $250,000 fine.  The Government could attach his purse as well.  Of
course, the issue is how to bring Fischer to trial.  A warrant
has been issued for his arrest should he return to this country, but
that's about all the justice department intends to do.  They said it
was unlikely that they would kidnap Fischer from Europe, or that they
would attempt to extradite him from Yugoslavia.

Fischer had nothing to say.  One of his bodyguards directed reporters to
his attorney's for comment.

A Government attorney says that Fischer's lawyers had explicitly asked
in late summer for a ruling on what Fischer faced if he were to play 
the match.  They sent back a message that he would face possible
criminal action and urged him not to play, but Fischer spit on that
message in a now-famous display at the first press conference before
the match.  The attorney now says they would love the opportunity to
use that in court to show Fischer's attitude towards the law.

Officially, Fischer violated the International Emergency Economic
Powers Act, invoked by Bush to impose sanctions on Yugoslavia.  It
gives the president the power to block Americans from engaging in
transactions with a foreign country.  The law has been used 22 since
1987 to bring violators to trial.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
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From: arimakel@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Ari Kalevi Makela)
Subject: Re: Alekhine attack in French defense
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:40:43 GMT

In <1992Dec16.171541.22542@dxcern.cern.ch> marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino) writes:

>Hi, I've heard about the Alekhine attack on French defense but I did not
>found any reference about it on my (rather scarce) collection of chess
>books. Anyone in the net could help me enlightning me?

I guess you mean variation 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5
Nfd7 6. h4. It is usually called Albin-Chatard Attack, but one of the
most famous games is Alekhine-Fahnri, Mannheim 1914. It was published in
Reti's Die neuen ideen im Schachspiel and in Alekhine's My Best Games of Chess.
-- 
Ari K. M{kel{		    Department of Radiochemistry
ari.makela@helsinki.fi      University of Helsinki

"Night must fall now - darker, darker"
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 14:04:34 MST
From: <AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
 <1992Dec16.013844.517@uoft02.utoledo.edu>

No, he could do much to improve the quality and popularity of prison chess
programs:-). Allen
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:38:43 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi>, an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
> GM Fischer indicted!
> Arrest warrant issued!!
> 
> Should U.S. chessplayers
> lobby outgoing President Bush
> for an executive pardon???
> 
> Please post responses (or flames) to this newsgroup
> so that public reaction can be properly guaged.  THANX.
> 

don wedding here weighing in with a suprising answer.....

NO!  Bobby should not be pardoned. 

WHY???  because he is more likely to play chess again if the U.S.
says that he isn't allowed.  and that's what i want.


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