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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Islamic Arabic Names
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:52:50 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct05.070525.2417690@locus.com> nkjle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <3960@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct3.020903.5031@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>>>I am expecting another child in mid january. Our primitive ultra scan
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>*You* are?

>Yes, he is expecting (waiting for) a baby to be delivered by his woman.

I *know*, I know!  Hey, what happened to your sense of humor, ukhi?  ;)

>>How did *that* happen??

>When his wife informed him that she's pregnant, he started to expect.

Okay, okay ...

>(leave the guy alone :) :D :____] ).

Not purposely picking on him - just trying to lighten up the newsgroup ...

We are noor, right?  :-)

>>Mabruk!

>Alf Mabruk  (beat you by 999 anisa).

:-)  May Allah increase it a Thousand fold for you in the
Jenna, insha'Allah, ukhi ... :D
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Wisdom by I. AlWardiyy
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:19:02 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I will use weird character combinations to clarify pronunciation of the 
Arabic words. I hope it will be obvious shortly.
   Short vowels: a o i (e) and u (as in up), 
   Long vowels: aa oo ee uu (as a in bart)
   ^ as in  "^aib", ^t as in "^tuur", ^d as in "^duud", ^h as in "^hoot"
   ^k as in "^kaw-^k", ^g as in "^gobuur", _th as in "_tholl"
   - = mute for removing confusion.
   ^XX and _XX are used in place of ^X^X and _X_X respectively.
  
  Any suggestions are subject to approval.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I^-tazil _thikru l'a-^gaani wa l^gazal
   wu qoli lfusla wu jaanib man hazal
wu da^i _ththikru li'ayyaami ssebaa
   fali'ayyaami ssebaa najmon 'afal
wu troki l^gaadata laa ta-^hfal biha
   tomsi fee ^izzin rufee^in wu tojal
wu ftakir fee montahaa ^hosni lla_thee
   'anta tahwaahoo tajid 'amran jalal
wu hjori l^kumruta in konta fatan
   kayfa yas^aa fee jonoonin man ^uqal
wu ttaqi llaaha fatuqwu lluuhi maa
   jaawarat qulba mri'in illaa wusul
laysa man yuq^tu^o ^torqan bu-^tal
   innamaa man yattaqi llaaha lbu-^tal
Kotiba lmawto ^ala l^kulqi fakam
   falla min jayshin wa 'afnaa min dowal
...
   
**
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: THE NEWS YOU WANT TO HEAR...
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:30:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Article #34014 (34018 is last):
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,clari.news.f
ighting
Subject: Afghan president visits Pakistan
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:21:22 1992

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani
arrived Friday in Pakistan amid speculation that he may meet Bosnian
President Alija Izetbegovic, who is expected to arrive Saturday.
        The visit follows media reports from Bosnia that Afghan Mujahideen
fighters were helping Bosnian Muslims in their fight against the Serbs.
        Officials in Islamabad said Rabbani, who landed at the northern city
of Peshawar, will begin his official appointments Saturday when he comes
to Islamabad.
        It is Rabbani's first presidential visit to Pakistan, which helped
the Afghan resistance in toppling the Soviet-installed regime in Kabul.
        Rabbani and other Mujahideen leaders fought their 14-year war against
the communists from Peshawar before returning to Kabul in April this
year after the collapse of the communist government.
        Diplomatic sources said Rabbani may meet Izetbegovic, who arrives
Saturday evening but has no meetings scheduled with Pakistani leaders
until Sunday. Both the leaders were to be in Islamabad until Sunday
evening.
        Rabbani will go to Iran from Pakistan. Iran has proposed forming an
Islamic force to help the Bosnian Muslims when the Bosnian foreign
minister visited Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, two months ago.
        Izetbegovic told Pakistani television in New York Friday he was
``grateful to Pakistan and other Muslim countries for the solidarity you
showed with us.''
        Pakistan was one of the first countries to expel Belgrade's
ambassador after Serb rebels attacked Bosnia.


--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME !!!!!!
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:07:03 GMT

In article <9209290337.AA22538@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>  Who said:
>
>sa'ahmilu ruhi 'ala rahati   wa'ulqi biha fi mahawi alrada
>fa'imma hayatun tusirru alsadiqa   wa 'imma mamatun yughithu al'ida
>                                                    ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^
>                                                     {to     {enemies}
>                                                     drive
>                                                     crazy}
>
> For extra points:
>When/where/ and how did he die?
>
The poet is Abdurraheem Mahmud.  He was a Palestinian fighter who was
martyred (insha Allah) at the Battle of the Tree (Maraket as-shajjarah) 
in the 1930's against the Jews.

The rest of the poem reads:

wa nafsu al-Kareem laha ghayatan     wurudu al-manayyah wa nailu al-muna'
aj-jubnan wa indi tahunu al-hayyatu  wa dhulan wa 'inni la izzu al-ibba'
la amruka 'inni arra' masra'i	     wa lakin ahhuthu 'ilayhi al-khuta
Sa'ahmi hiyadhi bihhadi al-husam     liy'alama qawmi bi'anni al-fata

The meaning of this poem in English (starting from beg):

I will carry my soul in the palm of my hand
And I will throw it into the midst of death
Either my triumph will make my friend proud
Or my demise will anger my enemy
And the soul of a nobleman has two goals:
Tasting death [with pride] or achieving an ardent wish
Cowardice? And Life is meaningless to me?
Humiliation? And I am the source of dignity?
I swear I see my upcoming fate [death]
But I will rush into it gladly
I will protect my pride with the blade of my sword
So that my people know I am their champion!

I must admit, my husband the "poet" is the one who enlightened me
about this poem.  He knew it off the top of his head, since he has
memorized a good deal.  He has even devised an additional verse
to this poem to describe the seen of the battlefield of this
poem...it sounds very beautiful in Arabic, of course.  If anyone
is interested in his addendum, email me and I will send it to you.

Sandra.




>
>wa Salam
>----------------------
>Khaled Shammout
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:32:24 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <1992Sep27.181929.18990@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca  writes:
>Hi,
>I am interested in Software jobs in Saudi Arabia. Would you know the following:
>  1. What kind of skills are in demand ?
>  2. What kind of minimum experience levels are needed ?
>  3. What is the best source for these jobs (i.e. agencies or companies
>     directly). Any names and address ?

None of the above is necessary; what's really in important 
Saudi sw jobs is:

1. US Citizen by birth.
2. None Muslim.
3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
4. The more blonde you are, the more you'll have a chance.
5. Must NOT read/understand Arabic.
6. Believe me.

jle
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bandr Bin Sultan is Missing
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:56:31 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

>Let me get this straight---you don't like the House of Saud because
>you don't think they're Islamic enough, yet you posses a Penthouse
>magazine or magazines?

   We had a debate about "hijab" which is documented in Koran, Sunnah
and tradition, yet we failed to arrive at any agreements, do you
want us to arrive at one with respect to p'graphy? That was on one
hand; now on the other, if I were not Islamic enough, it is no
execuse to other not-so-Muslims to persecute innocent people or
even misbehave. On the third hand, it is not what you input that
makes you unclean, it's what you output -- you may know better than
I!

And you give what they say much credibility
>simply because you don't like Fahad and Co?  Hmmmmm....

   No son, because I lived in the Arab world and I know what may
happen there and what may not, and I know what Arabians are --
you just can not obscure the sun with a tiny beard like that of
Fahd or his gang.

**
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:24:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <BvBIJA.KFH.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>Or you may continue to listen to the lies and fantasies of
>Anisa (I've mercifully dropped the Mr/Ms/Mrs) who hypocritically
>advocates the principles of self-preservation on her own people's 
>behalf but refuses to do for any others if she finds it politically
>inconvenient.

Anwar, I don't need any courtesy from you - obviously you don't
hold any regard for anyone unless they are from your country.
Only *hypocrites* like your government, and its partner
in crime, Saudi Arabia, are the one to advocate principals of
self-preservation for its peoples while calling on the demise
of other peoples who have the audacity to rebel against its
corrupt and unequal rule.

It is beyond me how you or your government expect other Arabs to
show any kind of loyalty to Kuwait - despite the fact that Kuwait
has given money to the Arab governments - it is nothing in
comparison to its annual income from the oil revenues.  As far as
I can see, it has been primarily to benefit Kuwait and not the
average person.
 
Even if you do not believe in a fair and equal system for all peoples
regardless of their nationality, you fail to understand why there is
such deep-rooted resentment, and with the war, why people finally
had the opportunity to voice the injustices, bigotry, double standards,
and abuses against Islam and Muslim people - because they were not
born in the 'prestigious' land of Kuwait and were not the beneficiaries
of land ownership or in the distribution of wealth.

While Kuwait was crying out against the occupation of such a brutal
dictatorship, they were the first to support the occupation of the
land of another people.  They gave money to support Yasir Arafat
and Hafiz Assad's stranglehold on Lebanon while turning its head against
the massacres and the average Palestinian family living in poverty.  I
don't recall how Kuwait supported the intefadah or Palestinian rights
and self-determination.  They didn't even show a face at the peace
conference.
 
Yet, the Arabs are supposed to support a war to aid Kuwait in her time
of need since Kuwaiti self-preservation is the primary agenda now.  Of
course threats and bribery are being held over the heads of the Arab
world, and if they do not comply with Kuwaiti demands for support, they
are 'traitors' - 'thieves' - and outcast by the rich and influential
while not even being called on the fact that their expelling almost a
million people violates human rights.  But if the people in Kuwait
have no voice in their own government, women are not even allowed to
vote, and opposition parties are forbidden, who should focus on the
needs of the non-Kuwaitis themselves?

Anisa

	"We have done too much already to blacken
	our reputation."
			Essa Alshaheen
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Summary: Unauthorized violation of the prime directives.
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:13:18 GMT
Organization: United Federation of Planets, Division of Earth Monitoring

In article <1992Sep29.044852.27964@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:

>I would like to apologise if this posting offends any one. Anisa was good
>enough to write to me personally and pointed out that I may have insulted more
>people by not wanting religious names to portray our cultural nobility.

What cultural nobility?  The myth of the nobility of the Arabic and
Islamic cultural heritage is a creation of Western conquerors of the
Arabic and Islamic world who want Arab and Muslim people to fixate on
the past while the future belongs to Europeans and Yankees.  Is it
surprising that this ridiculous myth of past glory was spread among
Arab and Muslim people by non-Muslim Arabs who in their heart of
hearts really hate Islam and Muslims (and not without reason by the
way)?

In any case even if there were something worthwhile in the Arabic and
Islamic cultural heritage, how could it possibly compare to modern
Western science, philosophy, historical method, technology and
mathematics?

>I was not interested in religious names because religion will be attached to
>the name immediately. I only wanted to make sure that if the child grows up
>in the non-arabic cultures that he remembers his parents heritage and culture
>without any attachment to any religious beleif. 

Why?  Better that the child should concentrate on his own achievements
so that he can be proud of *himself* not some Arabic or Muslim people
of long ago (to whom he -- by the way -- has no relationship anyway
because 95% of all Arab and Muslim people are descended from that 95%
of the population who were used by the other 5% to fund their
grandiose lifestyles and mindlessly stupid military escapades.

						 This is not to say that
>religious names are not noble or good. 

Of course, they are neither.

					Again I apologise if any one is
>offended thanks for those who responded.

You should have more courage.  A lot of these guys need to be
offended.

>A.Faris


-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari Border Dispute Yesterday.
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 23:45:47 GMT

Today's Los Angeles Times newspaper is reporting a battle that took place
Yesterday  (Wed) on the Saudi and Qatari borders over land
dispute.  The report says 2 Qataris were killed and another was
taken hostage by the Saudis.  Some Saudis were wounded also.

jle
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:28:44 GMT

In article <nabeel.717833487@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca |> 
|> Not really, but if you insist ... let's see ...
|> 
|> The codition was: "Easy to write and pronounce in English." It
|> is easy to write I-b-a-a, but not easy to pronounce in English;
|> it is most likely to be pronounced "I bay" or by the best
|> "Eeba," there is no hamza in English. Canadians think that my
|> last name is pronounced Guzleen because I use "aa." By the
|> way, my last name should be spelled Ghizlaan, but country
|> people pronounce it ^gozlaan, so I went with pronunciation.
|> Probably my grand...grandfather was the famous Ubbasid lady
|> singer Ghizlan!
|> 
|> Now the meaning: What do you mean a good meaning by today's
|> standards "Ibaa' wu shamam" means stubbornness and arrogance,
|> what is nice about it? And old-days-wise, if the name will
|> have any sense, you restrict the boy to have to become a real
|> man (which is unlikely) or a hypocrite, why not give him a
|> flexible meaning. Now if I act like a devil, it does not
|> contradict my name meaning. By the way, do you know the meaning
|> of my name? I know most Arabs don't, let's see how good at
|> Arabic you are.
|> 
|> Not too common, probably because it is not so nice a name in the 
|> first place.
|> 
|> Don't blame me; you asked for it.
|> 
|>    "Laa ta-^hqiranna su-^geeran fee mo-^kuusumatin
|>             inna lba^oo-^duta todmee moqlata l'asadee"
|> 
|> 
|> **Abul-Balabil   Wherever they are and then some!
|> 

Why don't you educate us on the meaning of your name, and furthermore, define
for us a "real man". If you think you are a "real man" also tell us what made
you one, if any thing did, so that perhaps we can all aspire to be "real men".

A.Faris
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: UNHRC condemns the Khomeini regime AGAIN
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:35:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <40560@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>
>  WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS DISCUSSION TO ALT.RELIGION.FANATISM ?. Can't you
>find anything else to speak about in s.CULTURE.arabic thant "punishement",
>"stoning", "women must be covered from head to toe, OTHERWISE..". No wonder
>why WE (Arabs) are in a mess, because we spend our time discussing issues like
>dress code and such and forget the essential. Why do we insist always on
>judging each other ? Why all that disrespect to those who don't share our


Ibaa, while I can understand and appreciate the message that you are
trying to convey here, I believe that you could have directed it in
a more appropriate manner (and less flammatory) than to say that such
a discussion is 'fanatical' and should be addressed only in a religious
type of forum.

Since I have know you, you have always been the first to criticize
Islam and its religious tradition, and have never tolerated (to
any degree) any discussion related to this topic.  While you may
disagree with the discussion itself (nor have any tolerance for
those who do), that is your preference.  But please do not condemn
it on this newsgroup and especially to blatanly state that such a
healthy argument is fanatical - and belongs in a 'fundamentalist'
newsgroup.

While I have not contributed or commented on the thread, I feel that
this is communication among the posters (whether they disagree or
not) and many of the stereotypes and misconceptions about Islam
(even among Arabs themselves) is being openly discussed here.  That
is the overall purpose - to break these misunderstands and to create
a more positive outlook so that people (like yourself) will have a
little more courtesy, respect, and tolerance of our religion.

I do not understand why such a discussion should not be on this
newsgroup - why any religious philosophy should be strictly confined
to a religious newsgroup.  This is soc.CULTURE.Arabic which means
that the ethnicity, culture, and religious identity of Arabs 
are discussed - the same holds true for soc.culture.jewish.

Ibaa, even if you are not a Muslim, you should know that religion and
politics hold a very vital role in Middle Eastern politics, and such
a newsgroup is suitable to hold these discussions, especially those
subscribers who have little or no other type of contact.

I agree that it can get a little out of hand, and that the noise
level can be very high, but that is no reason to completely abolish
such discussions.  But, please do not pass judgement on them yourself,
and I beg of you to please be more careful how you phrase your
dislike of the situation with your usage of words.  It is very offensive.
And we are trying to be diplomatic here, right?

Wa aleikum Salam -

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.Iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Aneeesaaaah!! (was Re: Arabic Names)
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:46:59 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

>After posting my little lecture to Abu Hisham, I hope that there is
>some hope for him :-) in finding the right Muslim lady.  And I don't
>think he could risk being married to someone like me - I'm too
>radical and disobedient :-).

   I think you owe me an apology, "lik bkattfik bshawaarbee! :-)"
I do not think it will be too bad to teach a "radical and disobedient"
person the alphabet. It just needs a little patience and much
understanding. Do you wanna bet?

>Anisa

**Abul-Balabil    wherever they are!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3946 soc.culture.lebanon:4140
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:28:23 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep25.193816.4393@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ksalah@nyx.cs.du.edu (Khaled Salah) writes:
>
>souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu writes:
>
>>How about Mohamed :) :)
Ridha
>
>Of course Mohamed (pbuh) doesn't meet the category list of Mr. Faris for
>the
>following reasons:

I think Ridha was just joking ...

>3. Has a fanatic religious meaning to Americans; it will never be
>   adjusted to be close to an American name.

I heard that a lot of non-religious men named Mohammed change it
to 'Mike' ... :-\ ... but it is true.  It is a name that has the
image of the stereotypical Arab bedouin.  But I don't see anyone
trying to change these images or stereotypes ... where are the
defense on this in this country and among people?  Or do they
feel content with their own daily lives and worries?  (Soap box
time :-)

>I hope you will endup with all girls instead?  Amin.

And you can name her Anisa :-) after the politically outspoken,
radical Muslim lady on sca and tpm :_).

Just kiddddiiingg ...

How about *uncommon* names, like Fatima or Khadija?  :-) :^} :"D

Anisa
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:46:05 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.718248124@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>
>   And you are going to use Jihad against his poor father? But
>if he is grown up what will his father do at home -- not playing
>video games again!

Of course not!  He will respect his father to the highest degree!  :-)
His father can teach him how to memorize the Quoran and Ahadith ...
no video junkies in my house!  :)

>   If you are going to be a diplomat (I am sorry I can't let
>my wife play that game,) why don't you call your son "Salam"
>or at least "Yassir?"

I'll teach your wife though :-).  I like Jihad.  Salam is good,
but I'm not too keen on Yassir ...

>   Yeah, old people don't care!

???

>   "illee eedo bilmuyyuh ...," it is not your life which you
>will be risking.

But aren't we all risking our lives somehow?

Anisa

>   Do you know what they say about straightening a dog's
>tail?

I thought it was straightening women out - the Prophet (AS)
said not to - that you cannot make a crooked rib straight.
:_)

Oh, well ...