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From: crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: More questions and a couple of answers
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:30:24 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

first the answers...

In the October ish of Details magazine with LL Cool J on the cover and November
92 SPIN both reported that I Need A Beat was the fledgling single for Def Jam in
1984. For all those who posted the info thanks...

Now the questions...

Could original singles of certain albums be considered collectors items? For
example would LL Cool J's first single on the Def Jam label be a collectors item?
Albums are pressed all the time, but most singles see a limited release...

In 1994 LL Cool J will have been making records for 10 years, PE wont be far
behind with their 10 year anniversary in 1996 I think...How do you feel about the
first decade of hip hop? Who do you think will be making the music we listen to
10 years down the line? I don't know about you but I feel old just thinking about
the fact that I remember seeing the Cool J single I Need A Beat when it was new
and seeing Run DMC perform at my local community center in Jamaica Queens before 
they got real big. And they said hip hop would never last...

Ok. So Everlast of House of Pain fame is the same Everlast who was down with the
Rhyme Syndicate. What other rapper do you know of who has achieved greater
success with a new image and style?

Anyone have a bootleg copy of Beastie Boys' "I'm Down". I know Michael Jackson
won't let them release it because he has the rights to the music.

Malcolm McClaren as you may know has been involved in hip hop going back to the
world famous supreme team. Was he the first to innovate the mixing of opera and
classical music into hip hop a la Madam Butterfly from "Fans" or II Be or Not II Be
from "Round the Outside, Round the Outside"?

You'd figure that RUN DMC would be on Def Jam because of their ties to Russell
Simmons. Anyone know what kind of deal Profile records gave Run DMC?

What are some tracks that are popular in hip hop culture but aren't necessarily
hip hop? I can think of Art of Noise's BeatBox diversion 1 which is just an
instrumental over a heavy drum track which was real popular back in 1984?

One for the Treble, Two for the Bass

Dan
crafts@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: ReDmAn..?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:27:09 GMT

T-Dub:

On average, it takes about 2-3 months for newly released CD's to be picked up
by Columbia House, and considering that Sade *just* came out, you gonna have
to wait for a while, brother! :) I have it, and it *is* worth the money...
To anybody w/ info on Miki Howard's new one, please post it, because I have
picked it up and put it down *several* times, but never actually went through
with purchasing it...

                                                            RJ
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: The Devil
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.194839.25851@linus.mitre.org>, ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org 
(Peter Trei) writes:

> I've not read The autobiography of Malcom X, so I don't have the
> background to understand the context of the quote you give, but it
> suggests that X didn't know much about Masonry.

-Malcolm didn't really didn't include more than a few sentences, and that was j
ust from my blunted memory, so it's most likely my trip.

Take it personal...
					Peace Out
					B......E
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Subject: 3rd Bass VS. Beasties
From: Eric Thomas Zeszotarski <ez08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:41:19 -0500 
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hip hop or whatever, Beasties win over 3rd Bass any way you look at it. 

They are artists in the every sense of the word. Check the videos. Check
the lyrics on Paul's Boutique. Then check 'em again. Check out Cookie
Puss. 

Don't get me wrong, 3rd Bass had some dope shit - the cactus had great
tracks and I listen to it still.( Soul in the Hole. MMMM, niiiice ) The
GASface video was dope. Richie Rich is a fantastic DJ. BUT they will
always live in the shadow of the Beastie Boys.....

Wassup with them trying to diss B-boys on "Stymies Theme"? If you listen
to the lyrics real close, you can pick up some real subtle stuff that is
very much anti- beastie. THEY DID NOT OPENLY DISS EM BECAUSE THEY KNEW
THEY HAD NO CLOUT.

The Beastie Boys, despite their antics, are much deeper than 3rd Bass,
who, especially on Derelicts, represent the common clay of hip hop. I've
heard most of this shit before. Even ZLO and Nice and Smooth couldn't
save that one. What I'm trying to say is, they fell the fuck off!

 My roommate once read where Serch used to come over to Mike D's house
and try to be his friend. D used to sit in his bed and throw stuff at
Serch and laugh at him. "hey Serch, here it comes!"

The bottom line is, the Beastie Boys will continue to redefine and push
the borders of hip hop - and 3rd Bass will go down as a group with a
good debut and not much more.

" If your life needs correction, don't follow my direction "
               - Ad Rock

Peace
eric z
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: NWA is outa there
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1drd2nINNl58@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King) writes:
>
>According to the newest Rolling Stone [Denzel Washington on cover]
>NWA is disbanded and Eazy-E  is suing the rest of the group for
>something like $50 million or something crazy for them trying to mess
>up his solo career/Ruthless Records. If I remember, I'll post the whole
>little snippet of the article. 
>Maybe Cube is gonna add another special track for his album cuz of this,
>ala No Vaseline?
>Bill
>-- 
>Hey, hey champ, was she a "whoo"?  No, she was a "WHOOOOOO!" --Ric Flair

Wasn't Eazy in Ren's video, "The Final Frontier," as well as Ren still being on
Ruthless Records?  Unless something happened since, I don't see the reason for
sueing him.  He can't sue Cube (well, he can, but on what grounds, and, isn't
it a bit late?).  He already is into court battles with Dre.  And, who knows
where Yella is?  He's the only group member who you hear *nothing* about. 
Wonder why? :)

                                           T-Dub
                                           SHYGUY Productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Stuff
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:33:04 GMT

...and I'm sure there are black fans of Skrewdriver out there somewhere.
When I'm not listening to rap, I'm listening to metal, usually death metal.
At a lot of the shows I go to there are black guys in the audience moshing
with the rest of us.  I went to a hardcore show once, (I'm not crazy about
hardcore), where most of the audience consisted of skinheads, and there
were blacks there moshing with the skins and there was no trouble.  I didn't
even feel any tension between them.
So you're right, a white person listening to Ice Cube is like a black 
person listening to Skrewdriver.  But from my experience there hasn't been
any problems with that.

Just my opinion, you don't have to buy it.
BTW, I'm not a fan of Skrewdriver.  I've never heard of them.

                                               ->Spice
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: cs201127@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs201127)
Subject: Re: 3rd Bass
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:56:50 GMT

In article <BxGq2v.271@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.152109.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> syawanar@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>>Yo..
>>
>>Just want to know what y'all think of 3RD BASS as a rap group?
>
>Best white hip hop group in history to date (House of Pain comes pretty close

**** I beg to differ!  I am a huge 3rd Bass fan but in my opinion I would have
     to say that the Beastie Boys are a much better hip hop group.   ***



Anyone else with me?

-Jay
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi)
Subject: Re: my platform....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:59:47 GMT

>And Kwame's stuff is kinda dope 2....

>

>...................
>David E. Rives
>der2@po.cwru.edu


Say What, say WHat!!!!

Those polkas can get the bozack.....


Ah me man...
From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Tribe Called Quest
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:46:27 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711


Speaking of Quest........the other day I saw a British 12" of the Luck 
of Lucien with the flip side Butter.......it said they were both from
a remix album.......anyone got the 411?

CK3
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: mcw4765@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.C. Walker)
Subject: Re: Best DJ? (was Re: Need some 411)
Originator: mcw4765@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.055647.10945@athena.mit.edu> ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi) writes:
>In article <1cl91cINNhgh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bmm2@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian M. Murray) writes:
>|> 
>|> In a previous article, tim@crash.canon.co.uk () says:
>|> 
>|> >spierson@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Scott A Pierson) asks:
>|> >:
>|> >|Finally, I wanna know who y'all think in the dopest DJ out there?  I'm lookin
>|> >|for the boyz (or girlz...sorry Spinderella) that cut the shit up like Dan 
>|> >|Quayle's spelling teacher.  Tryin' to find somethin' hype to listen to.
>|> 
>|> When talking about the best DJ, you have to start with Jay of Run-Dmc. 
>|> Terminator X, Eric B., and DJ Jazzy Jeff are also in there.
>|> 
>|> As for worst album, both of Professor Griff's have to be in the top ten at
>|> least. 
>|> 
>|> Best albums:  It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by PE
>|> 	      Follow the Leader by Eric B and Rakim
>|> 	      Ghetto Music:  The Blueprint of Hip-Hop by BDP
>
>
>
>syndrome: sloppy cuts, slightly off (and awful sounding) samples, skipped
>scratches etc.  I think Mr. Cee has improved though.  Also, Ak-shun was pretty
>weak on Special Ed's first album. (WHen will he come out with a new album?)
>
>	Pete Rock, Jazzy Jeff, DJ Muggs are all outstanding producers but I don't                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>seem to hear them flex that much on the tables.
>
>
>
>Selector Dudublack
>"send them to the Butcher Shop- Chop! Chop! Chop!"  
>	
Reeeeeewind!!
Dj Jazzy Jeff can't cut?
Whaaaat
Nope, that wasn't said.
Jeff used to have crazy skillz,
The last time he showed off on record was, I think, on "He's the Dj..."
MAD SKILLZ!!
INVENTOR, or close to it, OF THE TRANSFORMER SCRATCH!!
WHAAAAT!!
NO FLEX!!
UH, UH, NOPE I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT WAS SAID
I'm out like an exit.


-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| In a what?....So, Whatchu sayin'?...BASS,to make the walls shake...Enuff??...|
| Where ??..Not here??..So, Whatchu want?..Nothin'??...Go away!!..C-ya!!!......|
--------mcw4765@beaver.cs.rit.edu------------mcw4765@ultb.isc.rit.edu-----------
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Zhigge
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.220146.16828@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes...
>Has anyone heard the new Zhigge album?
  Anyway, any info would be appreciated as I saw 1 copy of
>the album today, but I can wait.  Also heard that the new Brand Nubian was out. 
>Can anyone else verify this?  Hopefully, they were only talking about the
>single and not the album.  I really shouldn't be buying the album this week.
> 
> 
>K-Mello
>SHYGUY Productions '92


	"Toss It Up" is a phat jam!  No doubt about it.  But DON'T buy
the album!!!  Its the ONLY GOOD SONG ON THE ENTIRE ALBUM!  Wack.
Everyone I know who's heard the album agrees with this.  I would find
a copy and listen to it, before you buy it...

	Brand Nubian will be out on the 17th (next Tuesday).  Along with
Ice Cube.  (--Thanx 2 Flaaaaaash!)

						aMIL

		C.O.R.E. in '93
From: ramos-jaime@yale.edu (Jaime Ramos)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:19:16 -0500
Organization: Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu



Yeah, I heard that the Beatnigs were mostly a punk/thrash/you-name-it band. I
guess it didn't work out and so they tried rap. The second song on the Heroes'
album, "Television, Drug of the Nation", is a remake of an old Beatnigs song.
That's sorta how they got to use those chains and shit in their music.
Personally, I think that they're a lot better rap group than they were a thrash
band. The album is good, but some of the tracks really suck. I think it's worth
the money, though.

_______________________________________________________________________________
J. Ramos				ramos@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Yale University				ramos-jaime@yale.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________ 

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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Re: 3rd Bass
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:48:43 GMT

cs201127 (cs201127@umbc8.umbc.edu) wrote:
} In article <BxGq2v.271@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
} >In article <1992Nov8.152109.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> syawanar@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
}>>Yo..
}>>
}>>Just want to know what y'all think of 3RD BASS as a rap group?
}>
}>Best white hip hop group in history to date (House of Pain comes pretty close
} 
}**** I beg to differ!  I am a huge 3rd Bass fan but in my opinion I would have
}      to say that the Beastie Boys are a much better hip hop group.   ***
} 
} 
} 
} Anyone else with me?
} 
} -Jay


Nope! The Beasties have gimmick value, and they're clever. They were certainly
important in getting rap heard by the public. But 3rd Bass is truer to the
art form. They know what _real_ hip-hop is. And quite simply, they've got
better ryhming skills than the Beastie Boys.

Harris
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
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From: balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Dah Man)
Subject: Re: 3rd Bass VS. Beasties
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:54:54 GMT


 I must say that Third Base is by far a better rap group than the Beastie Boys.
 3rd Base stayed true to hip hop, while the Beastie's pulled farther and 
 farther away from real hip hop.  Serch and Nice were superior in skills to the
 Beastie's and Richie Rich is argueablely the best DJ in hip hop.  Therefore it  is plain to see that Beastie's cn't be mentioned in the same sentence as 3rd 
 Base because Beastie's haven't enough skills.


                   -Dah Man-
From: sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: I ain't no joke
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:10:50 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Nov4.200712.4871@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <Bx3z7B.A5F@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MC FLEXIBLE FLYER) writes:
[deleted]
>>crazy old and both Flav and Rakim are from LI, although, Freeport is 
>>not the close to Babylon, but I imagine they could have been down.
>>
>>Thanks for any help.  
>>
>>
>>I'm out like an appendix,,
>>William E. Neuburger 
>>
>
>Yes, That is definatley Flavor Flav in the video doing his original Flavor
>dance.  The funniest video of this type I have ever seen is Joeski Love's, "The
>Pee Wee Herman."  Anybody remember this video with Ice-T doing the Pee-Wee
>Herman with some other guys throughout the video?  It's funny, 'cause when I
>think of serious-and-hard-in-every-interview Ice-T and then seeing him acting
>silly doing the Pee-Wee Herman, it cracks me up every time.
man! i *thought* that was Ice-T.  i was tryin' to tell my brother that a
couple of years ago & he didn't believe me.  i almost forgot that T used
to live in NY.
>
>                                               T-Dub
>                                               SHYGUY Productions

-jon
sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.)
Subject: Re: releases and shit (damn!)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:56:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.022712.13629@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:
>I  dont see the connection between Ice Cube and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers..
>I *know* he's not trying to go out on the "Walk This Way" tip!
>
>                                                  RJ
they (as in CP's) got some fonky stuff.  i suggest you check out some of their
remixes.  maybe i'm inferring too much about your last statement.  i
think its about time that hip hop fanz become a little less provincial
(read "open minded") and quit tryin' to dis everybody *you* don't consider
a'ight.  sorry if you're a Chili Pepper fan, but the way you say it, you
dont seem to know much about them.  The peppers have been on the R&B/Hip
hop tip for a while.  check out the "higher-ground" remix to start.(circa
'90).
 if you still don't see the connection between hip-hop &
alternative, i suggest you check out a host of duos such as KRS & REM,
Daddy-O and They Might be giants to name a few.  we are both connected
to an "underground" culture. (yes, RHCP *are* an alternative band.)
>							RJ

-jon madison
(yeah, i'm a peppers fan (in music only). it's alright.)
sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(the hood of good)
(The Cush Man out like the Bush man)
(aw yeah, check out the new SFC album Phase III...way fonky.)
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Live Squad Follow Up
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Well, continuing the unposted post on Live Squad, I listened to their 12" inch
again after hearing from JUONSTEVE, and I'd like to alter my last statement on
them.  After JUONSTEVE pointed out to me that they did the "Fat Bass
International" mix of "No Nose Job", a song which I liked, I checked their 12"
again.  It has 2 songs on it, "Murderahh" and "Heartless".  The beat on both
songs is a'ight.  The lyrical flow on both is a'ight, but the subject matter is
played in my opinion.  Talking about killing people and shit, on that boring
ass gangster tip.  Do I need to spend X amount of dollars to hear someone talk
about killing some kid and his girl, and then throwing their baby out the
window?  No.  That shit is played.  If they are really that hard, I don't give
a fuck.  If they aren't that hard, I don't give a fuck.  Conclusion, if 2 out
of 2 songs their 12", which incidently has the back of a bullet on one side and
a full picture of a bullet with on the other side both pictures having their
name on it, are about bullshit killing, would I buy their forthcoming album "A
Game Of Survival"(on Tommy Boy cassettes, LPs, and CDs)?  No.  First off, I can
see them talking some shit about killing cops and shit, and from what we have
seen Time Warner do in recent months, I don't expect the album to be as hard as
the group would like it to be, that is if the album comes out at all.  Keep in
mind the fact that I have had this 12" since at least mid-to-late summer, and I
haven't seen their album yet.  If it's out, cool.  Somebody somewhere is gonna
buy it, and someone here will talk about it.  If it's not out, I won't be
surprised.  That is what I have come to expect from Time-Warner.  Maybe a
couple of years down the rode, we will see Live Squad and Almighty RSO do a
compilation album on an indy label, Fuck Warner Associated Labels Inc, or some
shit like that.


K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
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From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi)
Subject: Re: The Reggae Thread
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:19:43 GMT

Awright Awright, let's clear the air:

-Shabba, Super Cat, Ninja, Cobra etc. are known as "DJ's" which is the Dancehall
reggae equivalent of hip-hop's "MC".  Occasionally (and this is not a new trend)
the DJ's do refer to themselves as MCs but very rarely (check out some Yellowman
from the early eighties).

-I did an interview with Super Cat in August and he said that he was not crossing
over to hip-hop, and that though he would work with hip-hop producers (e.g. Bobby
Konders who hooked up Ghetto Red Hot [yes the sample is the same as that in the
break of De La's "Bitties in the BK Lounge"]).  You can sort of understand his
attitude since Shabba has been accussed of selling out (judge for yourself from
"X-tra Naked", but the remixes of "Dem no worry we" (featuring Heavy D and
remixes produced by the Heavster & Eddie F) has a semi-phat hip-hop remix (biting
of Poor Righteous Teachers) and a sissy club remix.
	Cat does have the advantage that he has his own label and has been doing
his own production (actually with Robert Livingston) for a while now.  He claimed
that his contract with Columbia gives him a lot of leeway, but... greenbacks talk.
His Columbia debut was just a release of old songs of his (except for a few like
Dem no worry we) and are not at all representative of his skills.  They basically
took a lot of his old trash and put it with a couple a killers to give a bullshit
album.

-No, Raggamuffin Soldier is not the first dancehall reggae albulm produced in LA
(or the West coast)  there are other artists that have been produced there.  By
the way, not all the songs are produced by Muggs, some are produced by Wild
Apache (Super Cat and R. Livingston).  The good news is that daddy Freddy got rid
of that English fuck of a "reducer" - Simon Harris, who seemed more interested in
producing tracks that would tax Daddy Freddy's rhyming speed skills than in
producing slamming grooves.  (BTW it was
Tung Twista who took D. Freddy'd Guiness title not the other way around).


For people interested in getting into dancehall, the company to call is VP
records in NY.  They carry 90% of the dancehall (as opposed to roots) 
that comes into this country.
Their number (I think if wrong call 800-555-1212) is 800-241-4041.  Ask for a
catalog and be prepared for a wait (customer service is not one of their
strengths but who can blame them - they have a virtual monopoly on dancehall
distribution)

-Selector Dudublack
Fi real! " wait deh man, ah who dat ah come?"
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub - SGP '92)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to....
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <Bx4Kv4.MEL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>	Beastie Boys went big first. "Licence to Ill" sold 4 million + 
>(besides being the first #1 rap single and album). That's why the Beasties
>say that they built Def Jam and gave Russell the $$$ to promote LL and Run-
>DMC...
>
>-- 
>Patrice Simon
>simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
>opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By the time the Beasties got big on Def Jam, Run-DMC was already large and
perhaps even 'declining' from where they had been.  They ain't need much
promoting at the time.  A lot of people say LL was the main building block of
Def Jam; Chuck D. says it was a combo of LL, PE and the Beastie Boys.

And, I just like to state again for all who care, Run-DMC were *never* on the
Def Jam label; Def Jam formed after Run-DMC got their deal with Profile
Records, a deal orchestrated by Russell Simmons, Joe 'Run' Simmons brother.

                                                T-Dub
                                                SHYGUY Productions