HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Steve King)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Beep!
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 15:09:13 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: PShrink Wrap BBS, Lake Zurich IL  +1 708 540 6772

It's a fool's errand to condense a BBS from two hard drives to one.

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From: prg@mgweed.ATT.Com (Phil - WB9AAX)
Newsgroups: chi.weather
Subject: No Weather Input
Keywords: No signal
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:36:04 GMT
Expires: 13 Mar 93 04:00:00 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: AT&T Montgomery Works, Montgomery, IL


I'm sorry about the lack of weather information as things turn nasty
outside.  I have checked with several other people that normally receive
the weather and it appears as though no weather information has been
transmitted since approximately 18:07 Monday night (1/11/93)...


Phil Gunsul - WB9AAX
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From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: clout closed
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:48:16 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL

In article <1993Jan12.143608.5659@serveme.chi.il.us> greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) writes:
>In article <MWS3SEHMH@linac.fnal.gov> matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
>>
>>This isn't a crash, per se.  Is it some known cause, like a full disk
>>or like that-there?
>
>I think it had something to do with NIS getting messed up.
>Go figure.

Yeah, its known as "you're running a Sun -- so reboot the bastard"

Suns are notorious, and have been for years, for getting their brains
scrambled.  It is only recently that they've >begun< to clean up their act
in the OS support area (ie: NIS, NFS, etc).  It still doesn't work quite
right.

BTW, what does CLOUT need NIS for if its one machine?

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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:12:17 GMT
Followup-To: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
Distribution: chi
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Sean M. Foley (sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote:
: Uncertainty as to how the community as well as the tourists will interelate.

Tourists?  Maybe more like conventioneers.

:   For Chicago to "boom" it would take more than gambling, such a change would
: require many tourist type businesses; All of which depend on a steady flow
: of tourists to survive.. It's questionable that Chicago could draw a large
: flow of them until it sinks cash into resort facilites and recreational(large-
: scale) implements.

Hmm.  Depends on your perspective.  You are seeing the casino as attracting
tourists.  I see it as an added bonus if you have a convention here.

After all, what type of tourism is there in Chicago?  Not much.  You don't
have a resort atmosphere with the weather and all.  However, Chicago is
great for conventions.  It's centrally located with 2 major airports and
a private plane airport (Miggs), Rail and bus have central locations here,
good public transportation, museums, etc.

1 Casino will *not* attract tourists, but it may help boost the number
of conventions.

My $0.02
-Louis
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From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: v32bis @ clout
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 15:20:56 CST
Distribution: chi
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

  It seems as if the 'tip' server for clout is accepting v32bis connections
again. Now if clout itself was accessible.

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Newsgroups: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
From: phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: chi
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:54:05 GMT

This is off the subject, but...

In article <1993Jan08.180937.3548@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>I daresay the majority of the aircraft based at and/or using Meigs field
>are commercial, not private.  

Well, depends on what you mean by "commercial" and "private".  Perhaps
"corporate" would be a better term.  But in the FAA's eyes, if no one
pays to fly in the airplane, it is "private", even if it is a multi
million dollar 30 seat lear jet owned by Megacorp.  But I agree with
what you are saying: the landing, ramp, parking, tie-down, hangar,
fuel fees all make basing a single engine 4-seat "private" airplane at
Meigs rather prohibitive.

>Unfortunately, its location and layout
>make it a relatively unreliable field due to prevailing winds.

Actually, it is more unreliable because it has no instrument approaches.
If the visibility is less than 3 miles, or if the clouds are lower than
about 1000 feet AGL, then planes can't land a Meigs.  I don't have 
figures, but I would guess that Meigs closes more often due to low
clouds and low visibility than it does for high cross-winds.

For those who don't know:  the only runway is North-South and the
winds are typically out of the east or west due to the lake.  Small
planes can still land with direct cross winds up to 15 knots (about 18 MPH).

Now back to the subject at hand.....

>I'd much rather see the big investment made into high speed rail links
>between Chicago and other midwestern cities, 

Wonderful idea!  I wish Daley would put HALF the effort in to high-speed
rail that he's putting in to the casino fight!

>Why does Chicago need explosive growth anyhow?  Wouldn't long-term stability
>be far more beneficial?  

Yes, it would.  That's the point I was trying to make in my earlier
post.  The jobs that casions would create aren't the right *kind* of
jobs.  The growth that casinos would bring isn't the right kind.  It's
like the calories you get from sugar---empty calories.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
From: statz@uumeme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio)
Subject: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 05:28:39 GMT


The article below is my own opinion.
Not those of "Statz Unlimited ", " STATMASTERS " and any affiliates
of " Bootleg Entertainment co ". 

It would appear that Casinos area must for Chicagoland .
If the Casino  Bill is not passed Chicago may very well go the way
of Detroit and other large cities which have gone steadily down hill
in recent years. 

There are many good reasons to have casino-style gambling in this
City. Here are but a few...

1. Chicago needs the jobs to grow.

2. Chicago sorely needs a larger taxbase to support its self, without
   further burdening the already strained property owners with yet
   another tax increase. 

3. Gambling is already legal in Chicago, and throughout Illinois and
   Wisconsin.  In fact there are already functioning casinos as close
   as Milwaukee, not to mention the plethora of river boat-style
   gambling establishments as nearby as Joliet Il (about 25 miles
   west of the city) 

4. VFW, Moose and other fraternal organizations, as well as the
   Roman Catholic Church, all hold regular 'Bingo' and 'Las Vegas
   Night' affairs. 

5. Horse racing flourishes, even off-track betting is allowed.

6. The state lottery continues to lure people with promises of big
   money, despite the fact that state lotteries are among the highest
   risks than any casino game played in America.

On the issue on crime.. Many are worried that casinos would bring
crime to our city.  Well.anyone can see that crime is on the
increase and our neighborhoods are in worse shape now than in any
recent memory and things are not getting much better.

Could a casino really make things worse? on the contrary, income
generated from a casino-entertainment center would be a boom to our
crumbling city.

Chicago was once known as a convention and tourism center.  We have
the world's busiest airport and for years we were the hub of night
life in the Midwest. Lately all that has been changing. With Sun-Belt
cities like Houston and Atlanta developing their tourism base,

Chicago has been... shall we say.. left out in the cold.  A big,
modern, well regulated casino-entertainment complex would be just
the thing to bolster our sagging image and begin to bring those
tourism and convention dollars back to the Windy City.  Where they
belong! 

If you Ban casino gambling in Chicago, you MUST also ban every OTHER
form of gambling  " Lottery , Horse racing , Bingo and RiverBoat
gambling. Wouldn't it just make more sense to legalize it?

And heres the best part. I'm taking a survey should Chic,
Have there Fair share in gambling.

PLEASE send all YES votes to  statz@uumeme.chi.il.us
PLEASE send all NO  votes to  statz@gagme.chi.il.us

subject should say "VOTE"

Voting will end FEB,28.93
Results will be posted by Mar,5.93

What do all of YOU think?     Thank you..

Lou
Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley)
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 11:02:47 GMT

  There can be no doubt here; Obviously, casinos would bring Chicago a large
amount of needed revenue, and that can only be positive to the community in
general.. But, I'd say there is also a good negative platform as well;
Uncertainty as to how the community as well as the tourists will interelate.
  For Chicago to "boom" it would take more than gambling, such a change would
require many tourist type businesses; All of which depend on a steady flow
of tourists to survive.. It's questionable that Chicago could draw a large
flow of them until it sinks cash into resort facilites and recreational(large-
scale) implements.

-Sean
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Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: clout closed
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:37:14 GMT

> Andrew Rossmann:
> >cc-tip>clout
> >Trying CLOUT (128.135.24.100)... Open
> >
> >[Connection to CLOUT closed by foreign host]
>
Gregory Gulik:
> Why does Clout only crash on weekends?
> I just got off the phone with Russell.  He says he will try
> to make the trip down to Clout tonight (from Naperville) to fix it.

I guess he didn't, eh?  Youse guys need an on-campus cloutster again,
like yez useta have.

severian 1362% rlogin clout
Protocol error, clout.chi.il.us closed connection
severian 1363% telnet clout
Trying 128.135.24.100 ...
Connected to clout.chi.il.us.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.

severian 1364% /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -r1 -x1 -sclout
Conversation Complete: Status FAILED

severian 1365% telnet clout uucp
Trying 128.135.24.100 ...
Connected to clout.chi.il.us.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
severian 1366% f @clout
[clout.chi.il.us]

severian 1367% 

This isn't a crash, per se.  Is it some known cause, like a full disk
or like that-there?
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: clout closed
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 10:28:03 CST
Distribution: chi
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

  In trying to connect with clout today, I saw this rather strange message:

cc-tip>clout
Trying CLOUT (128.135.24.100)... Open

[Connection to CLOUT closed by foreign host]
cc-tip>

  Just what does that mean? Is Iraq invading Chicago, now?? :-)

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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Connections to clout
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:14:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.154458.9037@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
... stuff deleted ...
>
>    By the way, another problem has been that clout occasionally isn't
>    available through the tip server.  Possibly there is a connection
>    between the two problems because believe it or not, clout has been
>    sitting at the University humming away just fine all through this.
>
>    Gerry Swetsky,  System Administrator,  The Clout Project.
>
I noticed that in my script CLOUT resolves from the termserver just
fine, whereas MACHINE doesn't. I've had to use MACHINE.CHI.IL.US to
get connected to 128.135.24.101. Anyone else posting to MACHINE
should see this also. No biggie... just an observation.
- Mike

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Newsgroups: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:09:37 GMT

In article <9301061587@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Sean M. Foley (sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote:
>Hmm.  Depends on your perspective.  You are seeing the casino as attracting
>tourists.  I see it as an added bonus if you have a convention here.

If?

>After all, what type of tourism is there in Chicago?  Not much.  You don't
>have a resort atmosphere with the weather and all.  However, Chicago is
>great for conventions.  It's centrally located with 2 major airports and
>a private plane airport (Miggs), Rail and bus have central locations here,
>good public transportation, museums, etc.

I daresay the majority of the aircraft based at and/or using Meigs field
are commercial, not private.  Unfortunately, its location and layout
make it a relatively unreliable field due to prevailing winds.

I'd much rather see the big investment made into high speed rail links
between Chicago and other midwestern cities, which would make the
area doubly attractive by providing both long range air and medium range
rail transport.  Upgrading the rail system would provide jobs, would
avoid the need for the fiasco of siting a third major airport in the area,
and would benefit the long-term stability of the region.

>1 Casino will *not* attract tourists, but it may help boost the number
>of conventions.

In the past year we've seen conventions moved from other cities because
of a dispute over recognizing Martin Luther King's birthday and because
of the anti-gay legislation passed in Colorado.  How many of them
moved to Las Vegas or Atlantic City?

According to the statistics I've seen (which were, to be honest,
presented by an anti-gambling group) the introduction of casinos into
Atlantic City cost 2 jobs for every 1 job created.

Why does Chicago need explosive growth anyhow?  Wouldn't long-term stability
be far more beneficial?  Gradually creating new jobs over a long time
would seem to be better for current residents - creating a lot of new jobs
in a short time would draw a lot of new residents into the area, increasing
the demand for public services, and when the casinos drive out existing jobs,
increasing the demand for public assistance.
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From: system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch)
Newsgroups: chi.misc,chi.mail,chi.general
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 19:01:03 CST
Organization: Welch Research, McHenry IL, USA


This may be of some relevance in chi.general or ONE of the
groups, but personally I resent having to bring these in on
several different newsgoups.  I feel it is particularly
inappropriate to chi.mail.

Please contain this type of refuse to ONE newsgroup as I do not
wish to support this form of evangelism, especially multiple
copies.

If you had bothered to do any research in the matter and at least
checked the results from the same arena in Atlantic City, you could
have saved us all a lot of bandwidth.

Anyone responding to this, at least edit out chi.mail from the
newsgroup header.  Flames to garbage@precipice.chi.il.us.

Thank you.
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Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Connections to clout
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:59:39 GMT

In article <+MU!YM=_L@linac.fnal.gov> matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
>
>but no login prompt.  The problem is not on the modem pool or the
>gandalf, I'm sure.

    I don't currently have the parent article to your post Matt, how-
    ever numerous sites have reported failure to reach the tip server
    once they have connected.  I personally have had a fifty percent
    success rate getting a response.  All this time clout has been up,
    but not always reachable through the modem pool.

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From: rrezaian@austral.chi.il.us (Russell Rezaian)
Newsgroups: chi.mail
Subject: Re: Connections to clout
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:24:50 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: D.O.C. Data Processing Systems

In article <+MU!YM=_L@linac.fnal.gov> matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
>I don't believe the recent problems have been due to any equipment
>other than clout itself (or the ethernet segment clout is connected
>to).

There has been quite a bit of work done on the same segment that clout is
connected to.  There are several NeXT machines on that cable, and they are
being set up and re-configured.  As a result of this normal, necessary
maintainance (at least until the NeXTs are set up to the satisfaction of
all concerned :-) the ethernet segment will experience some disruption.
Not much, though, and the NeXTs are pretty much finished...

>The problem is not on the modem pool or the gandalf, I'm sure.

Forgive me if this sounds bad, but, if you don't use the modem pool or the
tipserver how can you say there isn't a problem there?  The fact that they
aren't the only problem point doesn't mean that they aren't problem
points.

I can say quite unequivocally that the Gandalf is having problems.  On a
fairly frequent basis it refuses to recognize a connection.  The modem
will connect and then nothing, no ENTER CLASS prompt.  This isn't
anywhere near clout, or clout's ethernet segment.

The tipserver seems to have been upgraded recently, and possibly the
installation of whatever provided for it's recent enhancements caused some
flakeyness.  I really don't know, I do know that frequently problems have
shown up well before a connection comes near it.

I am sure the people at the University are aware of the problem.  They
will fix it when they can.  Till then, let's try to put up with any minor
awkwardness as quietly and politly as possible.

Those who find little glitches like this too much to tolerate, I am sure
you will be able to get the consistency of service you desire from such
places as UUNET.  And if things broke then, well any complaints would be
quite justified.
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From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: v32bis @ clout
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:10:09 GMT

In article <LTJ7wB3w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes:
>  It seems as if the 'tip' server for clout is accepting v32bis connections
>again. Now if clout itself was accessible.

Clout came back about 5:00pm Sunday afternoon.

As the Internet is fairly fault tolerant, no mail should
have been lost during the downtime, just delayed.

Thanks Russell!!!!

-greg

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From: kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki)
Subject: Re: *** Chicago Casinos " VOTE " ***
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:34:41 GMT

In article <9301091147@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>I don't understand how a casino would drive out existing jobs.  Seriously,
>could you explain that maybe?  I really don't see it...

As someone else indicated, one of the goals of a casino is to
keep people inside the casinos and they are quite successful at
it.  Knowing this fact, it is easy to see why the economy
around a casino shrivels up and dies.  Atlantic City is a good
illustration of this effect.

Cheers,
    -Ken K
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Newsgroups: chi.mail
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: clout closed
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:37:00 GMT

In article <C0p2xx.HEo@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>
>	No!!  Clout?  Full disk?
>	Shirley, you jest!

Hate to disappoint you, but once again, the problem was NOT
caused by ftpmail.

-greg

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