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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:17:00 EDT
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From:         RiSKy business <RKRICK@VCUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Command Line Password

        A quick, simple question :

            Can I specify an account name AND a password on the command line
            when logging into a Novell (v. 3.11) server.  Basically, can I
            do the following :

                LOGIN <SERVER>/<ACCT.NAME> <PASSWORD>           (or similar)

        Thanks....

        R. Scott Krick
        Computer Based Instruction Lab
        Medical College of Va.
        RKRICK@RUBY.VCU.EDU
        SUPERVIS@PCMAIL.CBIL.VCU.EDU
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From:         Angus Orde <A.Orde@LEEDS-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Adding directory entries to a volume

>>Ok...if I have two volumes, say VOL_A, and VOL_B, which consume an entire
>>1.2 Gb drive.  VOL_A has 80,000 directory entries, and VOL_B has 5,000.  How
>>do I transfer some of the entries available in VOL_A to VOL_B?  Sorry that
>>I wasn't very specific in my original posting.  Thanks, again.
>>-Rob  (rob@umbc4.umbc.edu)
>-----------
>        The simple way is NCOPY From To /S, just like XCOPY. I can't bring
>up FILER at the moment but memory says that you can move objects that way
>too. The messy part is if the moving directory structure is wide and flat
>rather than nicely heirarchial. In the flat case I'd use a tape backup
>and "mark" the directories to be restored to a new place, assuming your
>backup program provides that flexibility.
>        Joe D.

I may have misundestood the question, but I would have said the answer is:

Don't Bother.

Netware v3.11 dynamically allocates directory entries, and it will increase
the number of directory entries available on any given volume as and when
needed. You cannot copy them, and do not need to.

Cheers,

Angus
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****** How many different topologies and protocols can you juggle ?? *******
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From: dehaan@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason A. DeHaan)
Subject: ne2000 packet driver
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:55:21 GMT


Hello,

We are currently experiencing difficulty with the ne2000.com packet driver.  
Our sites run netware 3.11, we use clarkson telnet, and there is a 16-bit
ne2000 ethernet card in the workstation in question (Dell 486P/33 msdos 5.0).

If we attempt to load "ne2000 0x60 3 0x300" into memory after ipx and netx, 
we receive the message:  "Network error on Server <servername>:  Error sending
on network.  Abort, Retry?" (Then the connection is bumped if we abort,
or the computer locks up if we retry.)

If, however, we load "ne2000 -d 0x60 3 0x300", all goes well on the network, 
including a telnet session, but as soon as we exit from the telnet session, 
we receive the same "Network Error:  Abort, Retry?" message.

None of the other arguments seem to help.

Ideally, we would like to be able to load ipx and netx before loading a 
packet driver on the workstations.  Is there a packet driver that we have
overlooked that will not conflict with the network but will work with
the ne2000 card?  Any help would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

-- 
Jason DeHaan -- saan@uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:13:34 EDT
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From:         Duane Kerstetter <u2d65@LFKW2.BGM.LINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Merging Binderies
X-To:         NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.edu
              92 10:19 am

> We are, as we type, building a new server for our student
> microcomputer lab. Prior to this new server we had one server for
> macintoshes and one server for DOS machines. Now we want to bring the
> two together as one. We have restored our MAC_SERVER to our new
> STUDENT server (bindery included). We have also already restored the
> applications from the DOS_SERVER to the new STUDENT server.

Just a curiosity question, why did you decide to merge the macs and dos
onto one server?  We are looking at splitting them up and putting the macs on a
 quadra series mac server.  I don't see where it will buy us much since all
users will have to access both servers anyway.  However I've been told that
it will be of benefit to the mac users.  Anyone with comments?



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From:         Szymon Sokol <SZYMON@UCINVL.UCI.AGH.EDU.PL>
Subject:      Re: Command Line Password
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> From: RiSKy business <RKRICK%VCUVAX.BITNET@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
>             Can I specify an account name AND a password on the command line
>             when logging into a Novell (v. 3.11) server.  Basically, can I
>             do the following :
>
>                 LOGIN <SERVER>/<ACCT.NAME> <PASSWORD>           (or similar)

As far as I know, the answer is NO.
But do not despair: if you want to have automatic login from a batch file,
you can use one of keybord-entry-emulation programs, for example, putkey.exe
or key-fake.com. Those are widely available (I can send you one...).
Then, put into your batch:
key-fake "mypassword" 13
login server/account
and you are logged in! (13 means "Enter").


                                   Szymon Sokol
                                   Network Manager

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:02:06 ITA
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From:         Ibrahim Khachab <IBRAHIM@IVRUNIV.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: printing across platforms
              20 Aug 1992 10:46:05 AST from <justo@RMECE04.UPR.CLU.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:46:05 AST Justo Mayora said:
>In our Department we have UNIX workstations, Macintosh and PC's.
>Unix workstations use TCP/IP on Ethernet
>PC's use NOVELL Netware 386 v3.1 and v3.11 on Ethernet
>Macintosh use Localtalk and have a Gateway to the TCP/IP world.
>
>We want to be able to print from any host on the network to the
>laser printers (mostly LaserWrites) connected to some unix
>workstations.
>
>Has anyone succeded on doing this without having to spend a lot
>of money on Netware NLM or software for Macs.
>

If your Macs access Netware you can create a printer queue for the LaserWriters
 (see the manual of Netware for mac) which will be accessable for any Netware a
nd Macintosh user. For the Unix users you can use Charon 2.0 that enables these
 users to print on Netware print queues.
The money you are going to spend is due to the dedicated workstation that shall
 run Charon since you don't have to buy any software.

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:45:00 LCL
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From:         Dave Kearns <DKEARNS.TCC@KLAVEN.TCI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Netware NFS's ftpserv - rephrased
X-To:         NOVELL <NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.edu>

>From the first response to the question I must mention that I am
>trying to set up a local anonymous ftp site, and was wondering how to go
>about it and get the same results as the novell ftp site.
>
>I load ftpserv.nlm with the following parameters:

>       load ftpserv -g /sys/public

>However, this does not yield the same results as ftp.novell.com, in that
>it will not ask the user for their e-mail address.

FTP.NOVELL.COM asks for "Remote User Name" and "Remote Password".
Anonymous and/or Guest are the user, and anything you type is the password.

Where are you seeing a prompt for "Email address"?

-dave
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:15:04 -0400
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From:         "Scott A. Jenkins" <sjenkins@INFO.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Offweek FAQ Reminder
X-To:         NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.edu

    The FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) list for this mailing list is
automatically mailed every second Monday (this reminder is mailed on
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to subscribe and unsubscribe, as well as questions and answers about
commonly used programs such as Pegasus Mail, Charon, as well as information
about ODI issues, and more.
    If you don't want to wait for the biweekly FAQ mailing, you may get
it via anonymous ftp:

FAQ Access Information:
    To get the NOVELL@SUVM FAQ via ftp, ftp to info.umd.edu (128.8.10.29).
Get either faq.txt (straight ASCII) or faq.wp (WordPerfect 5.1) from the
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    The FAQ contains information on subscribing to the mailing list as well
as other general list-related administrative information, pointers to
Novell related FTP sites, information on how to access the info.umd.edu
system via a user-friendly telnet front-end, as well as general Novell
related information.
    You may also want to explore the rest of the info heirarchy.  The
Novell/Utilities and PC/Utilities in particular contain many useful
programs.
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From: michael squires <mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: 32-bit Ethernet Cards
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:07:36 -0500

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.920814081146.288@sasb.byu.edu> Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@SUVM.BITNET> writes:
>As far as EISA boards we use the Mylex LNE390A.  It has worked fine
>for us and costs about $320.*********************************

The LNE390A apparently does not have AppleTalk support except with their
beta driver, which I got off their BBS.

-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:24:54 -0500
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From:         MSJLE@ECNUXA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Adding directory entries to a volume...

In bit.listserv.novell you write:

>Please, forgive a possible FAQ (should be one, if it isn't).  Oh, and I don't
>have access to a full set of manuals, so I can't look it up there.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>How do I add directory entries to a given volume.  I know (have hear, actually)
>that it IS possible to change this number; however to reduce the number of
>entries would, probably, destroy all information on that volume. TIA for any
>assistance possible.

If you're running Novel 3.xx, you don't have to do anything, the server
allocates directory entries automatically.

If you're running Novell 2.xx, you have a problem.  The number of
directory entries is determined at NETGEN(2.1x) or INSTALL(2.2) time.
It also depends on the amount of memory available in the server.  You
can NOT increase or decrease the numbers without repartitioning the
netware volumes.  I went through this all last year, and it was a BIG
PAIN.  You'll need to make major numbers of backups of your server,
regen and repartion the volumes, and restore everything back, and
getting the bindery back together is NO FUN.

I invested in Cheyenne Utilities, Cheyenne's Disk Manager-N (because of
the stupid >1024 cyl. ESDI drives I was ordered to buy) and NetUtils
just in case.

If you want more details, write back.  You are probably not going to be
pleased.  This is about the only area I prefer 3.xx to 2.xx Netware.

Joi Ellis
msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Student Residential Programs
Western Illinois University


>Rob
>-rob@umbc4.umbc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:44:59 EDT
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From:         Brett Warthen <BRETT@INFINITE.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      RE: MHS Not Dropping Modem Connections
X-To:         NOVELL%SUVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU

FORWARDED MESSAGE from JAY SISSOM (MAIL @ CSERVE
{INTERNET:JSISSOM%INDYCMS.BITNET@suvm.acs.syr.EDU}) at 8/18/92 9:38a

From: JAY SISSOM <JSISSOM%INDYCMS.BITNET@suvm.acs.syr.EDU>
Subject:      MHS Not Dropping Modem Connections

We have the same exact problem.  Our host is setup to answer the phone
and the modem does answer, but our host does not acknowledge that the
modem answered.  The host that is calling will get 10 garbage characters
then abort.  They get in to our system once every 5 or 6 days.  I thought
the modem was bad so was in the process of changing it.

Help!

Jay Sissom
Indiana University Department of Medicine
***** NOTES from Brett Warthen (BRETT @ INFINITE) at 8/18/92 11:13a
Jay,

Actually, your problem is somewhat different from the one that Gerry was
describing.

While it could be a bad modem, I would suggest that you try different
modem drivers, and like I suggested to Gerry...if you are running MHS 1.5
Rev A, definitely download the Rev B update.

I suspect that your problem is caused by having software speed sensing
enabled in MHS on one or both of the hosts that are having trouble
connecting.  On all of your MHS hosts, you should go into the "Setup
Transport Server" option from the main menu and make sure that "Speed
sensing enabled" is set to NO.

The MHS routines for software speed sensing can get in the way of the
hardware speed sensing performed by most modems, and prevent a successful
connection, which is what appears to be happening on your system.

- Brett (Infinite Technologies)
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:51:00 GMT
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From:         Jim Loya <0004602295@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: cdrom - corel draw - novell
X-To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL@suvm.syr.edu>

I did it - using SCSI Express and an MDI/Toshiba - and it worked like a champ.

-Jim Loya, 4602295@mcimail.com

NOTE: I am no longer affiliated with Image Services, Inc.  Therefore, all
      opinions expressed are my own and not that of the powers that since
      had been...
From: Volker.Kleinhans@IPK.FHG.DE (Volker Kleinhans)
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Subject: Re: Novell API question
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:00:38 GMT
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> Subject:       Novell API question
> Reply-to:      $dougn@sasb.byu.edu

> I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question (if not,
> I'd appreciate finding out where IS right) but....
>
> I'm writing a short program that will add a charge to a user's
> account.  When I issue the SubmitAccountCharge C command, I get a
> completion code of 192 (NO_ACCOUNT_PRIVILEGES).  I'm a supervisor
> equivalent on the network so I don't imagine this is a rights
> problem.  I'm not real sure that the serviceType parameter is correct-
> -I couldn't quite figure out the docs.  I'm using the Netware C
> Interface for DOS 8/90 edition, ver 1.2 documents, and supposedly the
> latest libraries.
>
> Anyone have any hints??
>
Hello,

I've had the same problem, when i tried to use the the function GET
ACCOUNT STATUS. I didn't find any solution until i've got the
excellent book of Charles G. Rose : Programmer's Guide to Netware,
McGraw-Hill, LAN Times Book Series, ISBN 0-007-607029-8, 49,95 U$.

There you can find a good solution for you problem.

The problem is, that every object, who wants to make an access to
the accounting services, must be a ACCOUNT Server. The next problem
is, that you can include with SYSCON only printserver to the Account
server.

The only way, to come to a result, is to use a small Programm written
in C and to use the Novell API. Charles G.Rose suggest the foolowing
line in this utilitie:

/* ------------------------------------------------------------- */
/*  Step 1: Add the current logged in user (Supervisor) to the   */
/*           ACCOUNT_SERVERS property in the bindery             */
/* ------------------------------------------------------------- */

printf( "Now adding user SUPERVISOR to ACCOUNT_SERVERS property...\n"
);

result = AddBinderyObjectToSet( "Your_Server_Name", FILE_SERVER,
    "ACCOUNT_SERVERS", USER, "SUPERVISOR" );

if ( result && ( result != 0xE9 ) )
    Error( "Error adding value to ACCOUNT_SERVERS property", result );

....


That you have to do only one time. After this entry in the
ACCOUNT_SERVERS property, the supervisor and all supervisor
equivalance user have an access to the accounting functions

Good luck

Volker


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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:39:05 EDT
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From:         "Mitchell J. Edelman" <mjedelma@SSA.GOV>
Subject:      where to find shell.cfg??
X-To:         NovellBoard <NOVELL%SUVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

On a 386 workstation with QEMM 6.0 and IPX and NETX loaded high, it
appears that SHELL.CFG is not being read -
I've tried locating shell.cfg in the root and also in the subdirectory
with netx and ipx.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions on making shell.cfg visible.

Mitch Edelman
mjedelma@ssa.gov
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:33:37 -400
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From:         Liane Tarouco <liane@PENTA.CESUP.UFRGS.BR>
Subject:      CDROM on NETWARE 3.1 server

Hi
I would like to receive some hint about connecting CDROM or WORM disc to a NETWA
   RE server.
If someone had information about it please send me (products used, results acqui
   red).
Thanks in advance
Liane Tarouco
Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul
Porto Alegre - RS - Brazil
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From: gschenk@video.rogers.com (Gerry Schenk)
Subject: MHS Not Dropping Modem Connections
Organization: Rogers Video, Richmond, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:40:30 GMT


Has anyone experienced any difficulties with MHS V1.5 or MHS V1.11 completing
a call, but the modem is not dropping the connection?  I have experienced 3 
incidences of this so far, costing our company over $1000 on unnecessary
long distance charges.

Today,  I noticed on one of our dial in MHS PCs, that no site has been able
to dial into it for the last 10 days, but the modem is lit up and MHS
doesn't seem to recognize that there is some type of connection underway.
The last entry on the screen, has a partial completion listed.

The following is a typical setup,

For Dial-in:   3 XTs on a 3 line overline using MHS V1.5 with Sportster 2400
               modems from US Robotics.  MHS is setup up to use 2400BHUB.

For Dial-out:  XTs using MHS V1.11 with Sportster 2400 or Practical Peripherals
               2400.  MHS is setup to use 2400B.

The MHS is the network version, and is being run on Novell Lans.  The modems
are basically factory settings (DTR setting has not been modified).

This is problem has me very concerned, in that I have 15 lines for dial in,
and over 80 hosts connecting to these lines.  We transfer megabytes worth of
data over these lines, everyday.  Has anyone got any suggestions on how to
avoid this in the future.  Does anyone know if MHS V2.0, monitors the serial
port more effectively, to prevent this scenario from happening?  Any help
would be greatly appreicated.

->Gerry Schenk



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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:24:36 -0600
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From:         Joe Doupnik <JRD@USU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kermit and ODI

>Someone had mentioned something about running Kermit and ODI on here last
>week. Is ODIPKT and Kermit the only necessary programs needed? Does someone
>have a sample Mskermit.ini file I could look at?
>
>Thanks
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Dan Coulter
>     National Center for Toxicological Research
>     INTERNET: DCOULTER@NTET.NCTR.FDA.GOV
---------
        Kermit can do without ODIPKT because it can go straight to LSL and
speak ODI the same as IPXODI and LWP/DOS. No shims needed, though it will run
with them if you insist. The version doing this is MSK v3.12 beta available
on netlab2.usu.edu, cd kermit, or watsun.cc.columbia.edu, cd kermit/test and
kermit/bin. Performance with native mode ODI is much much better than with
ODIPKT, and it will run over Ethernet (many flavors), Token Ring, Arcnet,
PCnet, whatever. Get files mstibm.exe and msr312.upd. The latter has commentary
on NET.CFG etc. Kermit has a slice of NET.CFG, if that turns out to be needed.
        Joe D.
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