HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: seedman@iastate.edu (John D Turnipseed)
Subject: Let's end this... (Was Re: BEWARE OF HEATING PADS!)
Keywords: heating, pad, light, rock, sizzle
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:05:38 GMT

	Okay folks,  send me your heating horror stories.  I'll sort them out
into a readable stats.  

		1.  Specify the type of heat source in the Subject.
		2.  answer the following questions:

			A. Type of herp involved.  Overall size.
			B. Cage type, and floor dimensions.
			C. Heat source size, shape.
			D. Did your herp have a way to get away from the heat?
			E. How old was the heat source?

	I'll sort them and post bact to the net.


				-=- Seedman

Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re: Miami Valley Serpeterium
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:46:16 GMT

I have 5 yellow anacondas; could you send a phone number for this place?
Thanks.
                       DEBRA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Subject: Armadillo Lizard?
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:40:38 GMT


    I had a pet lizard that I got from a yard sale about 10 years ago. The 
people selling it said it was an Armadillo Lizard. Has anyone ever heard of
these? I've checked several pet stores and books and can't find anything on
them. He was about a foot long, brown with scales/plates (?) that came to a
point at the sides. His tail had points down the top and sides. His belly
was soft, smooth and a black/brown color. Does anyone own one of these?
            Jenny Au
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Timor and other Pythons
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:10:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr15.161020.14150
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

cs4gp6ac@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Lizard King) writes:

>Generally, the snakes you are looking at are all small (relatively) pythons that don't seem to grow to be more than about eight feet.  The water python 
>(L. fuscus or L. mackloti) is in my opinion the prettiest of the bunch.

I very much agree.  Personally, I think L.fuscus is one of the prettiest of
all boids.  The one I've known personally is also very sweet natured.  This
coupled with reasonable size makes them nearly ideal as house snakes.  The
only downside is they tend to be expensive since the Aussies like to keep the
wildlife at home, a policy I'm in agreement with.

>According to the above book, L. papuanus and L. olivaceus are almost (?) 
>identical and were in fact classified as one species until recently (please
>don't anyone start with the P.m.m. vs P.m.b. debate again!).

OK.  I had great fun with it though.

cheers,
-gb-
From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: HELP! Garter offspring
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92099.111838SAF108@psuvm.psu.edu>, SAF108@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>My female garter just had young. I was away when the event took place
>and upon returning found what looks like 5 healthy critters. What do you
>feed this little buggers? I've tried small crickets and very small guppies
>but to no avail. If you have experience within this area please drop me
>a line. Also, I've heard that garters can have up to 30 or more young, is
>it possible that mom and dad ate the others? I moved the 5 immediately to
>avoid anymore potential dining. Thanx STEVE
   Don't worry about them eating yet.  I'm not familiar with the life
cycle of garters, but all of the snakes I can think of will not eat
until after their first shed.  This usually happens about a week after
hatching.  Food wise- whatever you would feed the parents would be fine
for the babies (except, of course, the food needs to be smaller).
   I don't think that garter snakes are canabalistic (if they are,
do tell me - I don't want to get garters in the future and make a 
mistake).  The size of a brood varies with the size of the mom.  A
young adult burmese python (~10') will lay 20 to 30 eggs.  A 15' burmese
will lay 70 to 80 eggs.  Even more interesting, the larger mother will
have significantly larger children.

>P.S. I live in PA could I release them? Any chance of survival?
>Pet stores don't seem interested.
   You could let them go, but the chances are that most wont live
(not because they were captive born, but because nature only lets
a small percentage of baby snakes reach adulthood).  I think you would 
be better off giving them to a pet store, teacher, or friend.  Perhaps
a local high school bio teacher would like a pet for their classroom.
You could also post signs or on usenet ('free to good home').  Every
captive born addition to the pet trade helps decrease the number of
wild snakes that are caught.

					Pete

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From: mdtaylor@wc.novell.com (Mark D. Taylor)
Subject: Re: herpaholics
Organization: Novell, Inc.  Walnut Creek, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:09:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.202221.26553@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue) writes:
> 
> 
>    I've always wondered, who is the biggest herpaholic on the net.
> I know it has absolutely no bearing on anything, but it should be
> interesting to hear.
> 

As measured by headcount?  Weight?  Length?  $$?

I don't place in any of those categories


mdt
mdtaylor@wc.novell.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp,rec.aquaria
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: Re: Equipment for sale
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:59:28 GMT



	For that matter, I have a 55G tank free to anyone who can haul it away
from Playa del Rey. I started to strip the silicone out of it to reseal it
before I decided that it was cheaper ($40) to just buy a new one, so it
definitely won't hold water. Theres no reason it couldn't be used as a herp
tank, though.

-- 
Walter Hunt					walter@optimage.com
OptImage Interactive Services Company, L.P.	walter@aimla.com
11040 Santa Monica Blvd., L.A. 90025		uunet!{optimage,aimla}!walter
(310) 445-5718
From: sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Heating pads
Keywords: try a waterbed heater??
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:23:20 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

While we are on this heater thread, from a suggestion by someone on the net
I have tried a waterbed heater to heat the bottom of my 29 gal iguana tank.

It has proven very reliable, and safe (being that a thermostat maintains the 
exact temperature dialed in and shuts off the heat when the sensor reaches the 
desired temperature.). I really like it.  It provides even, safe, constant heat
the only problem is that it has driven my electric bill up probably 10-15 bucks
a month.  

I would feel much safer leaving it on over a prolonged abscence than leaving
a pharmacy heat pad on over the same time.  Some of those theraputic heat pads
void the warranty if any sort of weight is placed on them.  Most of them have 
explicit warnings that say you should only place them on a surface and not
place the surface on the heat pad.  --Anyway, I was afraid that in the context
I would be using one, it would be an extreme fire hazzard.


just my .02

Shawn Clever
sclever@titan2.nmt.edu
From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: herpaholics
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.132458.17225@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, cs4gp6ac@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Lizard King) writes...
>Twelve snakes, two geckos, one turtle, one African frog, and counting!
   Well, so far Lizard King is the worst herpaholic on the net.  I'm 
surprised - I figured we had some people who were really hooked.  I thought
the number would be higher than 16.  I guess those that have the bug real 
bad would spend so much time cleaning cages that they wouldn't have time 
to log on. =8-)
   I did get a couple of responses from people who had the herp bug real
bad in the past, but have trimmed their zoo down to manageable sizes.  

						Pete

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From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: What do you feed a leopard frog---QUICK!
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:33:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.152403.4407@acsu.buffalo.edu> v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.222129.6123@news.eng.convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes...
>>>that may be helpful.  Water wise, I'd set him up in a terrarium (as opposed
>>>to an aquarium).
>> 
>>Which means what?
>
>   A terarium is a tank with a dry bottom - and aquarium is filled
>with water.  You want the tank to be mostly dry, with a pool (usually
>just a dish or bowl of water).  Don't want to drown the froggy.

Let me more explictly say that I don't think this set-up would
keep a true frog happy.  Note that true frogs, including leopard frogs,
have extensive foot webbing and powerful leg muscles - they are
excellent swimmers, as well as jumpers on land.  I agree that a 100% water
aquarium would drown the froggy, but a bowl is like a small puddle,
which a true frog would not be impressed by.  That set-up is perfect
for toads and treefrogs.  True frogs want more of a pond-side habitat.
I recommend a minimum of a 10 gallon (preferably more) tank with
50% land, 50% water, deepest water 40% or so of the height.

You slope gravel/rocks from one side of the aquarium to the other
to create the deep water, shallow water, and land parts, with
easy ramp access for handicapped frogs ;-).  The shallow
water part is important, since frogs often wish to sit while
in water.  To keep the gravel from evening out too much, you
can use a large rock, like a piece of shale, to butress the
bank.

An alternative is to get plastic "rock shelves" from a fish pet store.
I use these, with some large rocks for pseudo-banks, for my
true frog, a Bronze frog.  The frog especially liked when I had
one shelf above the other, with a waterfall running down (it
would sit in the waterfall.)  The nice thing about the shelves is
that you can create land area without subtracting from the water
volume.

Still another alternative... if you wish to have land plants, but don't wish
to go the bowl/puddle route, then you could get a piece of glass
that fits inside your aquarium, angled up to form the bank, 40-50%
of the height.  Use aquarium sealer to create a water tight divider.
Then you can put soil on the under side and water in the over side.
Plant yer plants.  Can put in some water plants too.  Put some
dried "moss" (from garden center) over the soil to prevent it from being
tracked into the water.

In any of these non-bowl solutions, you'll need filtration.  I
personally use a submersible all-in-one filter.  It has to be
turned sideways, against the design specs, to fit in a half
full aquarium, but the filter works, if grudgingly and sometimes
noisily.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Stand on 7-7 versus 10 in single deck blackjack,
NASA Ames Research Center\ unless of course your multiparameter side count
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \ of 7's indicates normal or better remaining 7's.
From: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: IGUANAS IN D.C.
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:57:17 GMT
Reply-To: pacyna@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Pacyna)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I am looking into the purchase of an iguana in the DC metropolitan area.
 I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for reputable herp
dealers?

				  Mike
From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: reinhardtii (was Re: Lucky herp)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.195759.28787@novell.com>, mdtaylor@wc.novell.com (Mark D. Taylor) writes...
>In article <1992Apr13.175657.26871@news.eng.convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>> There's a national chain of pet jails in a mall near me that has what they're
>> calling a Burmese for sale.  Another local place has a Calabar ground python,
>> but they just call it a "Rubber Snake" and list the proper name (Calibari
>> rheinharti ?) to avoid hassles.
> 
>Ross lists _Calabaria_reinhardtii_ as "African burrowing python".  As of
>1990, no successful captive breedings had been recorded.  Dark grey/black
>with orange/light brown speckles, no apparent neck.

   My guess is that it is a rubber boa.  I don't have my herp books
here, but I believe they are indigenous to northwest Mexico and/or
southwest US.

						Pete
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From: cs4gp6ac@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Lizard King)
Subject: Re: Rodent cages wanted
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:04:50 GMT

In article <12218@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> brbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle) writes:
>I am interested in buying some laboratory rodent cages.  These are the 
>ones with the plastic tub, about 10"w 20"l 6-8"h.  They have a steel lid that 
>protrudes down into the cage which holds the food and water.  The main 
>advantages being the rats can't soil their food and there is less waste, they 
>can't get at the water bottle (besides the tube) to chew it up, and these cages 
>are easier to clean.  I'm switching from ten-gallon aquariums, which have 
>become to much of a chore to clean, etc.  If anyone has these lab type cages 
>for sale, or knows of a wholesaler or retailer that sells them relatively 
>inexpensively (the only one I know of sells them for about $60 each), please 
>post or e-mail me.
>Thanks, 
>Barry 
>brbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu

I have two of these that were given to me by a friend and they work great.
Sorry I can't help you out getting some, but I am also interested in where
I can get some more.

If anyone has ze information, please post it!

Richard
cs4gp6ac@maccs.mcmaster.ca
From: brbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Rodent cages wanted
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:17:21 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

I am interested in buying some laboratory rodent cages.  These are the 
ones with the plastic tub, about 10"w 20"l 6-8"h.  They have a steel lid that 
protrudes down into the cage which holds the food and water.  The main 
advantages being the rats can't soil their food and there is less waste, they 
can't get at the water bottle (besides the tube) to chew it up, and these cages 
are easier to clean.  I'm switching from ten-gallon aquariums, which have 
become to much of a chore to clean, etc.  If anyone has these lab type cages 
for sale, or knows of a wholesaler or retailer that sells them relatively 
inexpensively (the only one I know of sells them for about $60 each), please 
post or e-mail me.
Thanks, 
Barry 
brbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 23:16:53 EDT
From: (((ZERO))) <IO00844@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: My First Iguana (Snaky misconceptions)
Distribution: world

Sorry, I am less familiar with snakes and didn't realize that UV is less
important for them than other reptiles...so forget the iguana/snake connection
I made in the previous post. Sorry.
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From: v105mahs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peter P. Donohue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: My First Iguana, part 1
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92098.222409IO00844@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO00844@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (((ZERO))) writes...
>In my experience, there are a few almost worthless iguana books floating
>about, but there are a couple good ones as well. Sounds to me like you got
>a bad one. There is a book that many people like called Vasjoli's guide to
>iguanas or something (can't remember exact title), that will help.

    The book mentioned is by de Vasjoli (actually, I think there are two
on Iguanas??).  It is part of a series on herps published by Advanced 
Vivarium Systems (I think).  They are somehow related to the American 
Federation of Herpetoculturists (P.O. Box 1131, Lakeside, CA 92040).  
Unfortunately, the books do not have an ISBN number, so you probably 
wont be able to find them at a library or book store.  Many of the better 
pet shops carry them.
    There are books on many different snakes, turtles, lizards, and
amphibians.  Most have been written by de Vasjoli.  There are two on
corn snakes written by McEachern.
    Most larger breeders and herp wholesalers carry them.  I purchased
the corn snake ones from Glades Herps.  They are very inexpensive, usually
less than $10 each.

						Pete

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bitnet:   V105MAHS@UBVMS                  .  "Education is a journey
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 16:59:53 EDT
From: (((ZERO))) <IO00844@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Who you gonna call!?? (pet police)

Can someone please list any national (or not national) organizations that
deal with abusive pet stores etc.??  Also, does anyone have any phone numbers
(especially 1-800's) of these organizations?

Don't you agree that Pet Store empoyees should have to take some sort of
examination/evaluation before being put in charge of the animals they sell?
I've heard that it's incredibly easy to open up a pet store...considering
that these people are in charge of many animals lives, shouldn't this be
different?

There are certain animals that seem a bit 'easier' to take care of than
reptiles...dogs, cats, fish (under most circumstances)...yet reptiles
need a completely different setting than most other animals...proper
lighting, careful diet, precise environment, and warm temps.  Considering
the amount of abuse done to reptiles in particular, shouldn't it be made
more difficult to sell these animals? It seems more and more pet stores
are getting into the sales of iguanas, snakes, etc. without doing a bit
of research beforehand about them.
If you know what to look for, keeping these animals healthy is not difficult...
yet many of these places have iguanas (sorry, I'm partial to iguanas) simply
rotting away. It's disgusting.


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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Ranking of pet-related newsgroups
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp, alt.hell
Summary: Birds as herps?
Keywords: Hairy reptiles
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:26:55 GMT

Hang on now, if birds are just feathered reptiles, doesn't that make
mammals just hairy birds? 

So then, by the associative property, we are all just hairy reptiles!

TOMORROW THE WORLD!

-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot: Don't put anything in
your beer that a pig wouldn't eat.
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-

P.S. Actually, to be halfway serious for a second, there was an
article in Discover (I think) this month about the raging debate over
the Archyoptirex (sic), what has long been regarded by Paleontologists
as the first proto-bird, but it is now being hotly contested that
there is no such thing as any Archyoptirex (sic), but it was actually
a mistake assembled from several other skeletons (including a couple
of tiny dinosaurs).  Halfway interesting article, although it pretty
much degenerated into a scientific version of a flame war...




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From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: KILLER BIVITTATUS
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:54:36 GMT

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

>A snake smarter than its owner?  I think the only way a snake could be
>smarter than me (or more obnoxious) is if I fell of my motorcycle a
>couple times without a helmet, doing about 80 mph.  I like snakes a LOT
>but they have all the mental prowess of a soap dish...

Hear, hear; ditto for my lizards: dumb, dumb, dumb.

>Just a reminder folks:  no matter how tame an animal is, they don't
>mess around when feeding time comes!

They're dumb but enthusiastic during feeding time, too.  One time I
was offering feeder goldfish on a plastic lid and the male went after
my barely visible thumb instead.  I figure he thought it was a pinkie
which he much prefers to fish.  Half the time they both miss on the
feeding strike even though the food is in the middle of a plate.  How
do these things get enough to eat in the wild if they're such bad
shots?  I like my lizards but they sure are dumb.

>   don "pincushion" baldwin

Better watch out with this statement, Don, some DEA spook might think
you're refering to needle marks... :-()
-- 
Keith Rogers
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
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