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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan4.142242.571@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.185504.29723@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>> In article <106065@bu.edu>, mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>>> 
>>> I do not think that the counselor likes to wear her uniform more often,
>>> because, as a counselor, she must make most of the crew feel comfortable.
>>> She wants them to feel like they are talking to a friend, and not just 
>>> another counselor.  I don't know about you, but I would feel much more 
>>> comfortable talking to a friend in ordinary clothing, rather than a 
>>> friend in a uniform
>> 
>> I don't know about most folks, but I would be MUCH more comfortable talking
>> about my problems with someone in a uniform than with someone who's breasts
>> were hanging out for all the world to see...
>> 
>> 
>
>Yes, you would be but this is because you are in the 20th century and are
>living in a society still ambivalent about nudity and full of sexual
>stereotypes.  In the 24th century, people seem to have a much more mature,
>controlled, and self-disciplined view of such things.  
>Personally, I think Troi's "uniform" is her choice partially for cultural
>reasons as nudity in Betazoid culture is much less taboo than it is in
>the Federation and much more than ours certainly.  It's a hint of her own
>culture in the same way that Worf's metal sash is.  (This doesn't include
>Ensign Ro's earring I don't think since that seems to be a personal thing
>for her rather than a standard Bajoran thing, unless there is some safety
>regulation on Starfleet vessels about wearing things on your head.  Maybe
>it's why Picard's the Captain.  :))
>
Kinda off the subject, but after watching the DS9 premier (no spoilers), I'd
say that the earring is a Bajoran thing.  Most Bajorans seemed to have one,
perhaps as a tribal or clan designation?


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From: paris@zygon.dev.cdx.mot.com (Gregory M. Paris)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:31:00 GMT

pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
> This is pure speculation but taking into account various hints dropped by
> TNG people it looks to me that next season we will see Riker promoted to
> Captain and Data to Commander. They will get away with this by promoting
> Picard to Commodore. He will stay aboard (nominally to supervise Riker) and
> will be a factor in a dozen or so episodes. This will enable the writers to

Yuk.  Sounds like _Voyage_to_the_Bottom_of_the_Sea_.  I can't wait to
see a giant squid grab the Enterprise and shake it around.  The secret
of course is to short power to the hull (as done in 50% of the VttBotS
episodes and as done by Scotty in "The Galileo Seven").

Close crash doors!

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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: 39 Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:30:07 GMT

In article <93004.22428.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|> ------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
|> 
|> MLS>Deep Space Nine throws this all off (y'know the doctor wearing
|> MLS>green and whatever the first officer wears), but the uniform
|> MLS>rules (I guess) are QUITE different for space stations.
|> 
|> MLS>One last uniform thing: What was the grey thing with the
|> MLS>rainbow stripe across thtop that Wesley wore? Why dn't we see
|> MLS>more of these?
|> 
|> I'm REALLY sorry if this has been covered here or somewhere else before.
|> (This is the only newsgroup that I have access to as far as ST:anything)
|> In ST:TOS all of the uniform colors meant something.  I think it went
|> gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering.  They don't
|> seem to hold the same conventions in ST:TNG.  I've seen just about
|> everyone change uniform colors.  What do the colors correspond to?
|>      \    /\
|>       \  /__\
|> Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen
|> PP-ASEL
|> 

How about Red=Command, Gold=Engineering/Security, and Blue=Sciences.

Ship's crew = Colored tunics w/ black sholders.  Base crew = Black
tunics w/ colored sholders.  Note the uniform changes on Sisko &
O'Brien when on-board ship & on-board base.
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From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: trill
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:12:04 GMT

What's in it for the host?
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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: Re: DS9: Acting
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:39:51 GMT

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In article <C0D8ow.CIE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	 dbasinge@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Basinger) writes:
>No Spoilers here

>I'm just want to give MHO of the acting in ST:DS9
>
>Avery Brooks (Sisko): Did a good acting job. A good choice for a
>commander in DS9.

I have to disagree. I felt Brooks was the weak link from an acting
standpoint. His dialog came off staged. Admitedly his interaction with the
aliens in the wormhole was stronger.
 

>Nana Visitor (Kira Nerys): She had a couple of good scenes, but had
>too many whining scenes (sorry if you consider that a spoiler).
>
PLayed an excellent Bajoran woman...Bitchy.

>Terry Farrell (Dax): Came off kinda air-headish too me. Would like to
>see her in a Troi outfit though.
>
This character confuses me. Is Dax supposed to have the maturity of
someone very old? It doesn't really show here.

>Colm Meaney (O'Brien): Came off as a bad version of Scotty. I think
>Colm will develope in the show.
>
Meaney's strengths were in being a character of few words. I agree that
the character will develop. I hope.

>Armin Shimerman (Quark): I like his character, the first Ferengi that
>didn't bother me.
Agreed

>Cirroc Lofton (Jake): Finally a normal kid in space, not too smart or
>annoying. Let's hope the writing keep it this way.
>
Would like to have seen more of Jake outside the wormhole environment.
Good acting on his part as well as Jennifer as aliens.

>Rene Auberjonois (Odo): Look acting, but I could here Clayton
>sometimes when he talked.
>
Good character. Pleasant change from Worf. (Not that I dislike Worf, quite
the contrary) 

>Siddig El Fadil (Doc Bashir):  Real, real annoying, IMHO. Wesley of
>the month club.
>
Fadil needs to strengthen this character or we won't see him again until
he appears as his half human-half Cardasian twin son.

Just random thoughts

Greg

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From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:51:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan4.142029.28026@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:


>> I just watched the episode; spoilers follow.







>	Agreed.  Even though I watched it 4 times, I still think Sisko's
>sequence with the aliens was too long. 



Yeah, I kept looking at my watch.  It was good for the first 10 minutes
but the next 20 minutes of it sort of got terribly repetitous.

I kept thinking of Encounter at Farpoint....  for the premier of TNG 
Picard has to defend humanity to Q in order to save his life; now Sisko
has to defend humanity to the WormPeople to save his life.  Same kind
of trial.  I guess the powers that be at Paramount liked that plot item
first time around and wanted to do it again.


For the past 5 1/2 years Philadelphia has seen TNG 7 days after the satelite
uplink making us one of the last to see each episode.  What a joy to see that
we are now getting DS9 2 days after the uplink.  I can see the episodes before
seeing the spoilers online here!


Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
From: chrysp@zooid.guild.org (Chrys Pelegris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Emissary"
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:56:10 GMT

>
>* Sick of forgetful writers.  Trill's can't transport.  But now they can. 
>So what the hell.

	....we never did see her being transported did we?  Or I might have
missed that.. (when watching it 3+ times). She was sort of stored in the
"Orb", then we saw her entering the space station.. but never did see the
transporter work on her.  (Although I'm sure this would be a *major*
inconvenience in future episodes, her having to use the shuttle all the time
while the rest beam).

	Anyhow, I'm not 100% sure but in that previous trill episode (tng) he
said that _he_ couldn't be transported, not the race.. maybe another McCoy? :)

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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 28 Re: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:45:17 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <13410@bnr-rsc.UUCP> coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira) writes:
>
> <boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>>Begging your pardon, but I believe the ship that blew up in the
>>>"Conspiracy" episode was an Ambassador class starship, not Galaxy.
>
>>Wrong, the ship was the E's sister ship - the Yamato.
>
>I don't think that's correct as the Yamato blew up in the episode (sorry forgot
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The only Ambassador class starship to appear on TNG was the
Enterprise-C

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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Shuttle craft on DS9
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:18:42 GMT

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>I got the impression it wasn't a shuttle, but a fully capable warp
>driven ship. Notice how it had large warp engines on it, that look
>like the Enterprise engines. Not like the shuttles. Do shuttles even
>have warp power, or impulse, or both?

    The ships in DSN are called "Runabouts".  The Enterprise offloaded
three of them for DSN's use, and they are warp-capable (to warp 4, I
believe?) can be piloted by 1 but will transport somewhere around 40
or more people not so comfortably.  They constitute the only real Federation
presence in the area as far as ships go.

    As for shuttles, accoring to the TNG technical manual, there are three
types of shuttle capable of warp speeds, light, medium, and heavy, and
they are capable of around warp 2.  These are like the one Picard and
Wesley were in when they were traveling back to Starfleet that time.

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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Going Away Party-NOT
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:13:04 GMT

pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:


>I could hardly believe my eyes. Here's lovable old O'Brien slinking off the
>Enterprise by himself. Not one of his so called friends (except the Captain,
>of course, it was his 'duty') to see him off! Where was the Party, the gifts,
>the back patting 'You were the best transport chief we ever had' sentiments?
>Hey, come on even a 2 week temp. worker at least gets a thanks. Of all the
>flaws in DSN this one takes the cake or not as it turned out. Isn't there a
>Miss Manners in the 24th Century? :)


Agreed. Along with the lame remark about Kiko being with her mother
this irritated me the most.

If it was due to scheduling conflicts they should have managed their time
better; if it was budgeting they should realize that guest starring the
TNG cast members would have increased the number of viewers.  They could
easily cut a good segment of time out of the wormhole scenes.

If they were looking to get a big boost from the ST:TNG fans they
should have done the link up better.
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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:43:18 GMT
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Anne Gilles-Thomas (dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
> Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
> was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
> series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
> specific instances.

There is an episode where Wesley Crusher is in Starfleet Academy, and
he and his friends have a hearing to find out why this one cadet died
during a "routine" fly.  I do not remember the name of the episode, 
but it was in last season.
I believe that an the rank of admiral deserves the title of "sir".
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:21:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: burrhus.1993Jan12.222151.13350
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>What I don't get is if Odo can be separable parts (bag and chips) what
>>happens if a piece is misplaced??  I mean, what if the Cardassians
>>didn't win ALL the chips that made up Odo?  Or someone dropped a chip?
>>
>
>
>A careful look at Odo changing back to human form on the Cardassian ship
>leads me to believe Odo was ONLY the bag. You can see the bag "melt"
>around the chips, (though you only see the chips briefly) then the camera
>cuts to the hallway view, presumably leaving the chips behind.  It seems
>apparent then, that he is able to vary his mass (or increase his mass from
>surrounding objects).  Look how easily he could use his weight against the
>alien during the robbery/capture sequence, which weight seemed to roughly
>correspond to a humanoid of that size.  Contrast that with the ease with
>which the Odo bag was carried, obviously MUCH lighter than a adult
>humanoid.
>
>After all, it seems reasonable that if a creature exists that can change
>shape, how much more difficult is it to believe it can also change mass?
>
>And so it goes.....

Um, have you ever heard of E=MC^2? Energy equals mass times the speed of
light squared? Is this idea at all familiar? Or do you just not know what
it means? 

For Odo to change his size/shape doesn't pose any physics
problems. Even the ease with which he changes his appearance is forgivable.
But it is impossible for any object to change its mass without a release of
energy more than sufficient to destroy the entire station. 

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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: DS9 and/or Wolf 359 GIFs anyone?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:30:15 GMT

	Does anyone have or know where I could get Wolf 359 GIFS or DS9
GIFs?  I'm particularly interested in getting a detailed GIF of that
space station!  Thanks.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: DSN musings
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 05:22:49 GMT

In article <00966280.FB446D60@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>Well, I just watched Deep Space Nine the Premiere last night and here's what I
>thought.  But first....
>
>WARNING! WARNING! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! WARNING!
>the following text may or may not contain spoilers.  read at your own risk

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>One thing that bothered me -- and I almost hate to bring it up -- but did
>anyone else see that O'Brien was only wearing a single hollow pip?  Maybe I
>missed the other solid pip, but I don't think so.  If that was the case, then
>he is enlisted.

Not only that, but in the scene between Picard and O'Brien in the transporter
room just before O'Brien leaves for DSN, doesn't Picard call O'Brien 
*Ensign*? I'm going to watch it again this Thursday, and listen very carefully.


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From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in Detroit (Ch. 50)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:45:47 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.213317.11134@mtu.edu> destill@mtu.edu (Still) writes:
><
><    I'm adding another of a growing number of requests for air times
><and dates for DS9.  Can anyone tell me when Channel 50 (WKBD) out of
><Detroit will be showing the premier episode?  Also, when will the regular
><series time slot be?  Thanks.

WKBD will be moving DSN to the Saturday 6pm time slot, repeating in the
usual Sunday noon slot.  TNG will move to 5pm Sunday.  This according
to an article in today's Detroit News...
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan11.153240.7659@ra.msstate.edu> cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:
>SINCE O'BRIEN IS A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER, IS HE EVEN ALLOWED ON
>THE BRIDGE OF THE ENTERPRISE?  THAT MAY EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS RELUCTANT
>TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL APPEARANCE ON THE BRIDGE, AND PEAKED IN ON IT
>SO QUIETLY.

What makes you think O'Brien is not commissioned?  I thought it had been
established that he was an ensign or a lieutenant or something.

>ALSO, ON ANOTHER TOPIC, IT IS NOT CLEAR IF SISKO FORGAVE PICARD 
>AFTER HIS ENCOUNTERS IN THE WORMHOLE, BUT IT SEEMED TO BE 
>VAGUELY IMPLIED THAT SISKO REALIZED THAT PICARD "LIVED" AT
>WOLF 359 JUST AS HE DID.  (I.E., WOLF 359 WAS THE MOST VIVIDLY
>HORRIFYING MOMENT OF PICARD'S LIFE AS IT WAS OF SISKO'S). 
>hOWEVER, THIS WAS NOT DIRECTLY STATED.

True, but it seemed clear to me that Sisko had dealt with it adequately by the
end of the episode.  (Personally, *I* was very disappointed that he and Picard
didn't have a direct confrontation about it.  It could have given valuable
insight into *Picard's* character, which has been slowly stagnating over the
past three seasons.)

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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 97 The worms within...
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:56:33 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
>humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same specie
>that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
>volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
>of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
>new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?
>
>                                             Mitch Pravatiner
>                                             U15289@uicvm.uic.edu

She is the same species (the Trill).  I don't consider the above remark
a spoiler.  After all, it doesn't reveal plotlines or a mysterious
character facet...it appeared in the TV Guide article.

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:32:32 GMT

Regarding Ro..errr Kira's final gambit...at the end before the wormhole
opens up she instructs them to open a hailing frequency and instruct Gul Jasat
that we will commence with all... I.e. she was surredndering, thats why
she was forlorn and didnt want the second phaser blast because it would
only provoke them more and they had only 18% shields left with casulties
begining to form.  

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