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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:32:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.134044.7092@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
|> Rob Black writes:
|> 
|> >Looking at that, I'd say we have 3 proven quarterbacks!
|> 
|> I'll buy that they all played well when given their chance, but by my count, 
|> you have two out of three quarterbacks who have demonstrated that they are 
|> injury prone.  Sorry, but I consider that a detriment.  While 9-2 is a good 
|> season by any inteligent fan's standards and also deserving of a top 25 pick, 
|> the Wolfpack is going to have to have more consistency to improve on that mark.
|> Were it my team, I'd trade three proven capable quarterbacks for one proven 
|> team leader who will finish the season for me.

   N.C. State *does* have a proven capable quarterback in Terry Jordan. He was/is a strong team leader. When we lost him in the third game of the year against UNC, there was no way any N.C. State fan could have seen us going 9-2. I think that's a testament to the ability of our backups. If Terry had stayed healthy, I think we could have won at least one more game (against,say,Clemson). Terry is back this year and boy is he pissed. He's going to show his stuff against Iowa and make Hartleibe (sp?) look like






 the chump his brother was in the Peach Bowl a few seasons ago.
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Aug15.020042.9635@news.nd.edu>, pszymans@bronte.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski) writes...
#             I can understand
#PSU, but are these other teams really of the caliber of a Washington? a
#Florida State? or even ND?

Hmm.  Guess you're right.  I probably wouldn't have demeaned Syracuse by
comparing it to ND, either.  BTW, Miami has an easier home slate with
perennial weakling FSU at the OB, so I guess I would say that Miami plays
at least one team the "caliber of a Washington. . .a Florida State. . . 
or even ND", unless you don't consider FSU to be of that caliber after all
(BTW, I consider FloridaState the third toughest opponent Miami faces this
year).

A little history for you:  Syracuse has a better record over the past five
years than Washington does, 46-12-3 to 43-15-1.  I'd say that you should
be questioning if *Washington* is a team of the caliber of *Syracuse*, not
the other way around.

#  I think they may do well in their own conferences
#(maybe) but are they the caliber that a team like the mighty Canes should
#be playing? :-)

Again, guess you're right.  Iowa *does* play in the second-rate Big 10.
The fact that it won 10 games last year is obviously because of the pansies
like Wisconsin and Purdue:  Iowa would have been a weak 6-5 in the MAC or
BigWest, I'm sure.  SanDiegoState was one play away from the WAC championship
last year, but that really doesn't mean anything.

I do agree that none of these teams are of the caliber that the mighty Canes
should be playing, but the NFL refuses to schedule them, thus they are left
to play such panty-waist, nancy-boy teams as ND.  Jesus, what does Miami have
to do to please you:  it plays five bowl teams from last year (for comparison
purposes, Washington plays three, FSU plays six, and ND plays four), four of
them on the road:  should I start questioning ND's and Washington's schedules
because they aren't as impressive as Miami's?

___

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Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:10:45 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) wrote:
}
}Didn't Florida State (They always start off slow) lose to some small
}school in their first game of the season some five years ago?

Florida State lost 30-26 to Southern Miss at the start of the 1989
season, which is probably the game you are thinking of.  Southern Miss
is no doubt not very well known outside the southeast, but it is a
Division I-A program which has produced a number of quality teams
in the past decade or so.  They have won as many as 10 games in a season,
have gone bowling regularly, and have beaten Alabama, Auburn, Florida
State and Mississippi State to name a few.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
From: jordan@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:42:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1992Aug10.171636.19210@spdc.ti.com>, dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.152907.9116@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug9.221452.11930@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bil
> 
> Question:  when did OU and ND last play?  I know ND was our main nemesis in 
> the 50's to winning even more MNC's, (as Miami was in the 80's).  I, for one,
> would like to see that rivalry revived.
> 
> - Bill Dostalik
My recollection is that in their last meeting was 1966, with ND winning
something like 35-0.  That year was Ara's first MNC year, you know, the one
where he played for the tie?

Don Jordan
Inland Steel R&D
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:26:03 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech


tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) wrote:

}How about even a close game against a IA Top 25 team (outside of the ACC)?

Okay, Georgia Southern led Florida State going into the 4th quarter
in 1988 - a year in which FSU finished 11-1.

Ruling out games involving the ACC (for your own asinine reasons) eliminates
virtually every other game in the past 10 years between top 25 I-A teams
and top 5 teams from I-AA, since the ACC is the only top league which
regularly schedules them.  (The top 5 I-AA teams generally come from 
the Southern Conference, the Big Sky, the Gateway, and independents.)

}How about a list of IAA members who have beaten IA teams with winning records?

Off the top of my head, The Citadel beat a 6-5 South Carolina squad in 1990.
That was a bowl-quality team which turned down an invitation because it
conflicted with finals.  The Citadel wasn't even a power team that year,
finishing 4th in the Southern Conference.  It also wasn't a fluke - they
nearly upset a 7-5 Air Force squad as well (losing 10-7 at Colorado Springs),
the same one which stomped Ohio State in the Liberty Bowl.

The *only* reasons the top teams in I-AA don't score victories over top 25
teams occaisionally are that (1) every game is played at the I-A team's home
field and (2) there are very few such games in the first place.

}Yeah, I'll put a Top 5 IAA team against a Top 25 IA team any day of the week,
}too, but they're going to lose.

Prove it.  Cite an example on a neutral field or at the I-AA team's home field.
Or at least give us some tiny shred of evidence upon which your opinion is
founded.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"What kind of creator makes artichokes and 200,000 species of fruit fly? 
 If I'd been in charge of creation, I'd have made lasers - 8 AM, day one."
From: rszczerb@milton.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:37:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <2872@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>>Notre Dame had a 23 game winning streak from Aug. '88 to Nov. '89 which is
>>one of the longest winning streaks in history.
>
>Not even in the top 20, Tim.  Longest winning streak in the 80's was by
>BYU in 1983-1985, with 25, and that ties for 20th all-time.
>
>Oklahoma has the longest at 47 games (for which they should thank the
>Minnesota team of 1903 ... those Golden Gophers tied Michigan 6-6, which
>separated two Michigan winning streaks of 29 and 26 games.)
>
>In my opinion, the only team nowadays that has the talent, consistancy,
>and attitude to try to mount a challenge to that streak is ... Miami.

I agree ... if they keep chickening out of playing hard teams in
the bowls they can keep on winning forever.  Maybe that's why
they canceled the series with ND :) :) :).
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hey Cliff...    (was: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE)
Keywords: n
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:17:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Aug18.144445.25347@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>> - goober (for the life of me, i can't remember why i was going 
>>>                                       to be in anaheim next wednesday) smith
>>Gee, Goobster, I hope you're not taking Aggie Airways!!!
>>James
>
>can't, the propellor broke.       
>cmuck

No, I think you mean the rubber band, don't you?

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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Illini Football Update?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:42:43 GMT


	Can any of you uiuc.edu types give a quick rundown of the
	Illinois football team? I'd like to know who's projected
	to start at all positions, who looks to be the stars, what
	the teams major strenghs are, what's the coaching outlook and
	attitude.

	Maybe I should subscribe to the DI?

	Thanks,



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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Hey Cliff...    (was: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE)
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:44:45 GMT

>
>> - goober (for the life of me, i can't remember why i was going 
>>                                       to be in anaheim next wednesday) smith
>
>Gee, Goobster, I hope you're not taking Aggie Airways!!!
>
>James

can't, the propellor broke.       

cmuck
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Fair Weather Fans
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:34:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.212513.12396@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott W. Gatchall) writes:
>may have come even sooner.  The OSU football program isn't based on academics,
>isn't based on nurturing the student-athelete, and certainly isn't based on
>loyalty.  It's based on a winning tradition and it will be achieved at all 
>costs as long as it has the nations largest alumni association at its wheel.

You wouldn't happen to be a Republican Speech writer would you?

- goober (the astrodome sure does stink) smith
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Question for NCState Fans
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:22:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug20.212201.19858
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

It could be that the reason the Wolfpack is sooooo underrated is that many 
of the sportswriters didn't see a single game of their glorious 9-2 1991 
season.  Let's say that you have videotapes of all 11 games.  If you can
send a tape of just one game out to show all of these ignorant fools the
error of their ways, which game would you choose?

GT

BTW, highlight tapes are not allowed.  Even SMU has a good highlight tape.
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: News Report on ND Investigation
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:17:57 GMT

From the Dallas Morning News (without permission)...


REPORT:  NCAA INVESTIGATING NOTRE DAME

     The NCAA is investigating whether gifts provided to Notre Dame
linebacker Demetrius DuBose by a family connected to the school were
improper, the Los Angeles Times reported.
     An NCAA investigator visited DuBose's hometown of Seattle earlier
this year to make inquiries about the gifts, said Monte Kohler, DuBose's
high school coach.  Sources told the newspaper that gifts included a
loan of about $5,000.
     Notre Dame issued a statement late Thursday admitting a violation
occurred.
     Under NCAA procedure, Notre Dame declared DuBose ineligible "a
number of weeks ago," then requested to have his eligibility restored
because of "the unique facts present in this case."
     The statement, quoting athletic director Dick Rosenthal, who was
out of town, did not elaborate on those facts.
     DuBose, a senior, led the team in tackles last season with 127 and
is a candidate for both the Butkus and Lombardi awards, post-season
honors presented to the nation's top linebacker and lineman, respectively.
     Chuck Smrt, an NCAA director of enforcement, would neither confirm
nor deny that the NCAA is probing the DuBose situation.


-Mike Noonan
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: When is the KICKOFF CLASSIC?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:33:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92234.093330ENVIRON
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug21.131232.26178@relay.nswc.navy.mil>,
gsprow@lordvader.nswc.navy.mil (Gregg Sprow) says:
>
>  Excuse me for being out of it, but what day, time and network is
>the KICKOFF CLASSIC?  Thanks in advance.

     It's August 26th (Wednesday) at 6:00 PM PST.  I don't know what network
it'll be on; it's being carried by the local NBC affiliate here though.

Go Cardinal
Brett
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Grbac
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:48:28 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Does anyone know if Elvis Grbac will be back for Michigan?
If he isn't, who will be U of M's starting QB?

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UofL Sched and SEC TV Games
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:43:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

I hadn't seen the Cardinal's football schedule posted yet, so here
it is.  Also included is a listing of televised games involving
SEC teams.


LOUISVILLE FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
----------------------------
Sept 5		at Ohio State (12:30PM)
Sept 12		Memphis State (4PM)
Sept 19		at Arizona State (10PM)
Sept 26		Wyoming (4PM)
Oct 3		Syracuse (4PM)
Oct 10		Virginia Tech (4PM)
Oct 17		Tulsa (4PM)
Oct 24		at Florida (1:30PM)
Oct 31		at Cincinnati (7PM)
Nov 7		at Texas A&M (3PM)
Nov 14		at Pittsburgh (1:30PM)
[8]

JP Televised Games:  Jefferson-Pilot takes over from WTBS in SEC
football television coverage this season.  Their current initial
game lineup -

Sept 5		Alabama-Vanderbilt
Sept 12		Kentucky-Florida
Sept 19		LSU-Auburn

All these broadcasts start at 12:30PM, with kickoff at 12:40PM.
ABC games involving SEC teams are -

Sept 5		Texas A&M-LSU, 3:30PM
Sept 12		Tennessee-Georgia, 3:30PM
Sept 19		Florida-Tennessee, 12 noon 
Nov 26		Auburn-Alabama, 1PM
Dec 5		SEC championship game, 3:30PM

ESPN games involving SEC teams are -

Sept 5		Mississippi State-Texas, 7:30PM
Oct 1		Florida-Mississippi State, 7:45PM
Nov 27		LSU-Arkansas, 4PM

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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Nebraska (and Oklahoma) versus Top 20
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:31:00 GMT
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In article <65728@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
> 
>Finally let me say that the Nebraska-Oklahoma game is one of the
>truly great rivalries in college ball, and that I rarely if ever
>miss watching it on TV.  These two schools can afford to go a few
>years without beating a ranked team and still stay comfortably in
>the group of the top all-time football programs.

USC would fit this description too, I guess.  Ohio State, on the other hand
, has just about used up whatever margin it had by their poor performances 
against ranked teams under Cooper.  Any  other nominees?

>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

R Dendy
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Beaverz, Indians (they were in 1927?) and the MNC
Date: 19 Aug 1992 23:30:48 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <serdar.714264837@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au> serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:

>
>Anyway, go Gooberz of A&M!
>

I couldn't resist posting the following, even though it has NOTHING to
do with college football:

Quoted from a UPI news article on Senator Phil Gramm:

"	Gramm, who revealed that he failed the third, seventh and ninth
grades before his mother spurred him on to a doctorate's degree in
economics at Texas A&M University ... "

Looks like Mr. Gramm got a lot of opportunities from A&M :)




-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

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 if he had met any Chinese people as the US Ambassador to China in 1975
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Demt. DuBose (sp?) playing
Keywords: Holtz, sit out
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:06:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Of course he'll play.  Remember last year when two Notre Dame players, I
think they were Mirer and some defensive guy, were arrested at a party.
What was the announcement from Lou Holtz?  Were they to sit out a game, or
miss a half?  No, he announced that they were to start the next game as
planned.  Of course, at least he didn't announce a "punishment" of sitting
out, and then out of expediancy for winning the game at hand, decide that
missing a whole quarter taught them a real lesson, and put them in to win
the game.  That's what happened with Clemson last year.  The announcers even
praised Clemson for sacrificing "a whole quarter" of football to make a point.
-- 
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: More Apple Cup stuff!!
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:49:17 GMT


I just thought that I should mention that the WSU-UW rivalry is probably more
heated and intense than the likes of USC-UCLA!!  All the trash talk starts
from a week before the Apple Cup and lasts until a few hours before the game.

After the game, everyone (winners and losers) party and brag.  The bragging
lasts an entire year.  I can't recall any of the Apple Cups turning violent.
Except that a UW fan's car windows had been smashed in Pullman a few years
ago and also a "bomb" (gun powder + alarm clock) was found under the Cougars'
seating section bleachers during the 1990 game.  The two dummies were caught
and kicked out of WSU shortly after.

The game is the last game of the season for both schools.  It is held on the
saturday before Thanksgiving.

Few days before the game a certain fraternity raises money for cancer patients
by running a football from one stadium to another across the state.

The UW police used mace to try and contain UW fans from tearing down goal-posts
after the 1989 game.  One of the goal-posts was torn down and dumped into 
Lake Washington.  :)  :)

Well, I'll leave you with these tidbits...  

With regards,

Behzad
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME INVESTIGATION!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:58:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Aug20.115849.1
Distribution: na,world




In article <!rf-ky-@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
> I just heard on CNN that Notre Dame is being looked into by the
> NCAA for violations concerning linebacker Demetrius DeBose(sp?)...
> It was about $5000 that he was given by a couple from Seatle
> that were connected to the school......
> 
>                               Marty



I always wondered why he picked ND over Washington!     :P   (:
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:55:45 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
}
}Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
}Cougar battles in the Apple Cup are legends around these parts, but I suppose
}that the Apple Cup is a poor victim of the vicious ECMB.

Let's see, would that be Everyone Calls a Mismatch Boring?  

Washington holds a 54-24-6 advantage over Washington State in the
"Apple Cup" series.  That's not a rival, that's a punch drunk sparring
partner.

-- 
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        "... and we tell ourselves that what we found 
                   was what we meant to find."
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