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From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing vs. Working
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:54:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Sep14.191805.27999@tfs.com>, tab@tfs.com writes:
> 
>> If your wife doesn't surf, however, it may be difficult to convince 
>> her to leave
>> whatever exciting metropolis she currently resides in for the 3rd 
>> world environment
>> of Mexico. I think this would be a stumbling block for me.
> 
> What about husbands not surfing? Or is this a boy's only club? Luckily
> mine (to-be) surfs, and is a hacker-engineer. So we're in luck. 

   Sorry for the sexist remark, theresa. I thought about that
as I posted, but I believe I actually was attempting to cater
to the primarily male audience (which kind of makes it even
worse). So sorry squared. Like, spear me with a 7'8'' pintail, okay? :-).
From: hayes@valkris.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: National Beach Clean-up Day, Sept 19
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:22:35 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, EDSG

Hughes Aircraft Company is asking for employees and friends to
meet at Dockweiler Beach, in Playa del Rey, from 9:00 to 12:00 
on Sept 19th,
to clean up the beach as part of National Beach Clean-up Day .

So, if you are in the area, come an help out.  Also, there's a nice
(but limited) beach break near the life guard equipment building.
Furthermore, El Porto is just down the road.  (Just ignore Hyperion
and the jets). 

Bring gloves, shoes (for hill side cleanup), rake/shovel (optional).
Plastic bags will be provided.

Bring your own lunch for picnic afterwords.

Interesting enough, people will be organized into teams: a bag holder,
one or two trash picker-uppers, and a person to log the type of trash
collected/encountered.

Brian

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From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Baja trip summary.
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:50:25 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


   I surfed the 17 through the 27 in Baja.
   The next few days were too flat to surf.
   But 11 straight days of surf is not bad.

   One day at San Miguel, the rest at Freighters.

   Surfed everyday. The surf varied from waist to
   overhead. First couple days and last couple days
   were the best.

   And got that swell horeff mentioned when I got back. 
   Surfed S.C on the 4th. Slightly more than head, and
   very inconsistent, but when the sets came, they had
   as perfect shape as I've ever surfed there.
   Perfect enough to give you a hard on, :-).

   later.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing vs. Working
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:00:55 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep12.212039.19790@ra.msstate.edu> rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
>Everyone who reads this group know the feeling of surfing and how hard it is to
>give up.  But is the economy so tight that I should grab the first job that
>comes along?  I'm so tempted to give it all up to take a little fart job that
>lets me surf whenever I want....
>
>  What to do... Can anyone relate?  Please offer some honest opinions.


Yeah, of course I can relate.  Maybe all us surf bum hackers should band 
together and start a software company based in some awesome surf
location away from the mobs.  With good marketing and advertising, it could
be a winner.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: hinojosa@nado.hp.com (Daniel Hinojosa)
Subject: Re: Surfing vs. Working 
Organization: HP,NADO Santa Clara, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:30:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.212039.19790@ra.msstate.edu> rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
> Hello all,
 
>   What to do... Can anyone relate?  Please offer some honest opinions.
> Keep surfing!!!

i knew a woman who had just graduated college. she started working in the
summer. after about a week of full-time hours (an obvious first for her),
she came up to me and said, "working 8 hours really cuts into your day".

reality sets in... sigh.


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From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: East Coast report - OC,MD
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:51:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Report for Sun Sept 13th, Ocean City, Maryland

OC has gone to 'Open Beaches' policy whereas lifeguards now allow surfers       anywhere along the beach, at any time during the day.  I believe lifeguards   
retire for the summer in mid-September.  Surfed 36th street all day.  In the
late-morning hours surf a decent waist high, with chest high sets every
10min or so.  Choppy conditions due to a 10-15 mph north-east wind (onshore.)
Had to be close to a breaking peak.  Short rides, not very fast or strong.
Conditions improved slightly by mid-afternoon with low tide.  Wind at 5-10 from
the east.  Less choppy.  More chest high sets coming in.  Took a few nice drops.
Waves still closing out to allow for short 5-10 sec rides.  Got one real nice
backside right all the way into the beach.  Overall a fun day.   Lots of short
rides.  Water temp a nice 73F.  Waves should be picking up this fall....

				L8tr,
					Derek
						wojciech@ossek.nrl.navy.mil
 
	--- Pray for Surf ---
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Im in deep !@#&*%
From: P.B.Halverson@massey.ac.nz (P.B. Halverson)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:33:08 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

There are also places accessible by boat (the Outer Banks, I think) that 
have good surf.

There's a Billibong poster of an outrageous barrell.  A sequence of Wes 
Swain getting in and eventually out.  It was shot at Hatteras.

I've not been there in almost 20 years.  What sticks in my mind is the 
memory of mossies and greenheads (gotta be an easty to know what they 
are, OUCH).

Some argue CH is *the* place in the east to score waves.

Cheers,

Phil
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: aglgrad@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (A Garret Lisi)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Help... Twinzers
Date: 11 Sep 1992 09:49:16 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

Kevyn Lee asked about twinzers, so here's my $ .02 US

Depending on who you talk to, twinzers are either the future of
surfing or just another passing fad.  In my opinion twinzers are
the closest you can come to strapping a rocket engine on the back
or your board without alarming the local sea life.  For the
uneducated, a twinzer entails two thruster style fins mounted with
no cant roughly at the thruster fin position and led forward and to
the outside by half sized fins canted out 10 degrees and toed in a
bit.  The canted leading fins provide the advantages of a thruster
while the lack of a single trailing fin cuts down on drag and makes
the board looser.  "So why isn't every board shaped these days a
twinzer?" you ask.  Well, there are two definite drawbacks and
several questionable ones to the design.
     The most significant drawback is that the darn things are a
pain in the arse to sand owing to the short distance between the
large and small fins.  On the first twinzer I rode, a 6'4" Blue
Hawaii, the lazy bastids used the technique of finishing the board
without the small fins, routing a hole through the glass and into
the blank and gluing the fins in with something akin to elmers! 
This board worked great for a couple of months, great enough to get
me hooked on the design, but a bottom turn through a patch of
seaweed loosened the fin and wrecked holy hell on the interior of
the blank.  After a weeks' repair work I paddled out on it again
only to rip the other one loose!  Needless to say, I advise against
glued in fins.  My shaper has since adopted the design of my old
board but built 'em the hard way, with excellent results.  The other
definite drawback, for the pros anyway, is that the tail doesn't
throw the pretty spray that a thruster does to impress the judges.
     One reputed problem is that they're no good in big surf because
the tail tends to slide out easier.  I haven't had that problem in
surf up to ten feet.  Beyond ten feet, I think tried and true is the
way to go when the water gets heavy and I dust off the rounded pin,
thruster tail, rhino chaser.  My shaper friend has been trying to
sell me on a twinzer gun, and I might just have to take another trip
to the North Shore to test it out :-O

For the abridged version of this post:  I recommend the twinzer
design wholeheartedly.  Avoid glued in fins.  Know your shaper.

Enough procrastinating. My PhD qualifying exam is in three days, two
hours, and twelve minutes and all I can remember is the wave
equation...

Shaka,
Garrett












Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Subject: Re: Winter Surf Summary For Bells Beach
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:41:37 GMT

I'm glad I've got my ad-lib style.It would have taken me about one year
to get that chart compiled.... :-)
Then I probably would have lost it.... :-)
Went for a surf yesterday.... Not alot to talk about.
I did pick up the surf-board buy of the century in geting
a 6'8" board for $75 .
It's a great board and should go right off in waves that are about
four foot or head high in size.

Bye,
Nigel.

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Subject: Re: Surfing vs. Working 
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:03:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.212039.19790@ra.msstate.edu> rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>  I would like some honest opinions about a matter I've been unable to resolve
>lately.
>
>  I grew up three blocks from the beach in Surfside Beach, South Carolina. I
>started surfing when I was 10. That was 15 years ago.  Not the greates surf
>there, but good enough to keep me doing it for that long!  I went to a local
>college, and graduated in 1990.  I convinced myself that I needed to go on
>to graduate school, and for a variety of reasons, I ended up here at Ole Miss.
>
>   I still surf whenver I go home (about every 2-3 months), but I will be grad-
>uating in December with an M.S.  So I will start working full time then, and
>my wife will be starting her PhD program.  Now everyone knows the state of the
>economy, and I'm no different.  Of course I would love to get a job somewhere
>close to a good break, but can I afford to be that choosy?  
>
>   Yes, I've applied to places up and down both coasts, but so far the only 
>responses have been from cities like Chicago, Denver, D.C.  I feel like I'm
>pulled into a vortex that is workin 9-5 each day and commuting 3 hours more.
>Everyone who reads this group know the feeling of surfing and how hard it is to
>give up.  But is the economy so tight that I should grab the first job that
>comes along?  I'm so tempted to give it all up to take a little fart job that
>lets me surf whenever I want....
>
>  What to do... Can anyone relate?  Please offer some honest opinions.
>Keep surfing!!!
>
>Bob Opalko
>rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>

Bob, 
I know how you feel!!  It is terrible when you are at work and the waves are
breaking...  I go crazy!!!  That is why I am still working for myself...

The best bet is working part-time make little money, or working for yourself!!!
Then you can take off and surf anytime you wanted, or work as hard as you wantedwhen the surf is flat....

~~ Kinsley ~~

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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Why professional surfing sucks
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:52:30 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep10.210117.27990@massey.ac.nz> P.B.Halverson@massey.ac.nz (P.B. Halverson) writes:
>A few thoughts on this pro surfing sux thread:
>2) The advances in board/wetsuit/etc...  technology did not occur  due 
>to surfers on the dole demanding better equipment (asbestos coat on).  
>The rising tide of an expanding market was largely responsible.  We need 
>to tolerate the bad with the good.
>

Personally, I prefer dole surfers to pros, because they
tend to less agro.

>3) Who the hell gave anyone the right to say who can surf or surf a 
>particular break?  You want your *own* wave?  Get a job and buy a house 
>at the Hollister Ranch.
>

Sorry dude, but you've got to be rich to own a house at the
ranch ($500,000+).  Besides, Rights and Lefts is reported
to have nasty localism anyway.  


>Most times I'm glad pro surfing exists.  Surfers have always received a 
>bum rap from the infidels.  The $$ typically involved at the pro level 
>have lent some respectability to our beloved sport/religion/pasttime.
>

Why is it good for surfing to be respectable?  

Does a traveling circus make it more respectable?

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: Re: Why professional surfing sucks
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:24:02 GMT

>2. Get skills in something that there is a shortage of people in,
>and then they are glad to have you no matter what you look like
>or do.
>
>Chris

Yep, it works. Especially if you are a software engineer. Managment thinks
we are all strange anyway and work strange hours. So coming in at 11am
after surfing all morning isn't even noticed. If you're good at what
you do, they'll let you do what you want.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Contact Lens Junk
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I just picked up half a dozen pairs of disposable contact lenses from
an optometrist friend of mine. I'm hoping to need them soon if the waves
start picking up this fall. If I lose 'em...who cares.  He had some
samples in the office and didn't charge me for 'em.....Cool
					_________________________________
   O                                    There are two kinds of people:
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833      There are people who know alot,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil        and those who want you to think
  /     David Taylor Model Basin        they know alot. The hard part
   \___________________________         is discriminating between the two.
			     \\         ----------------------------------
From: hayes@valkris.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surf Report, San Deigo North County
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:49:35 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, EDSG

In article <2732@news.cerf.net> mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>Thar's waves again. 3-4ft west windswell. I surfed this morning and had
>a classic surf. Head high lefts and rights peeling around. Greate fun.
>...
>It was dropping by the time I got out, so if you are in south Ca and
>wan't to surf get on it right away, don't reckon it will last long.
Manhattan Beach was fun yesterday at lunch.  To bad I screwed up my
knee, or I'd be out there now.

Brian{
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn)
Subject: Surf Report - Maroubra
Reply-To: cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn)
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:14:41 GMT

It still looked flat, but I was going through severe salt-water
withdrawals, so I decided to head down anyways.  All those lows
tripping across the south didn't seem to kick any swell up.  Not much
relief in sight, either.  However, it pays to have low expectations.
The water was cold (I didn't wear booties so that I wouldn't stay out
too long and miss my 11:00 meeting), but my wettie kept me warm
enough.  When I first got there, I didn't see *anyone* out at first.
It looked pathetic, really, some guy walking by even said something
about how flat it was, but since I'd come that far....

There were some small sets coming through, half-meter (back), waist to
chest high faces, and with one sponger and one old fat guy (besides me,
that is :-) with no wettie on for competition, it was easy to score some
fun ones.  They broke fairly cleanly (light offshore) and at a perfect
pace; you could jam along the shoulder and either pose with classic
back arch or jam up and down.  I was having some real fun in these "hoots 
and giggles" waves (the first of three stages, then the fun zone, and then
the *adrenaline* zone), and it must have been apparent because others
began drifting out until there were about 10 people hanging around trying 
to catch waves.  I'd had my fun so I left to keep my meeting, but with a
smile on my face.  Sun was out, water was clear, day was mild.  Not
classic, by any means, but definitely filled the need.  -- Clark

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Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:15:13 -0400 
From: Gerard Deckert <ad1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand...

Phil Hees (hees@cubic.com) writes:
>[examples of AR's polyamorous lifestyle deleted]
>I think it is very appropriate to discuss Ayn Rand in
>this newsgroup.

	Ok, perhaps I was hasty in my dismissal - I apologize.  I haven't read
anything about Ayn Rand's private life (thanks for the book references),
so I was unaware of this arrangement.  I had heard of some sort of
falling-out with Nathaniel Branden, but no specifics (hints of scandal,
but some people can be so close-minded... ;).
	

>"it is possible for a person to be in love with two
>people at once, but it is so difficult that it is
>perhaps only possible for giants" [my paraphrase from
>memory].  Of course, she had herself, Nathaniel, >Barbara and Frank in mind!

	Sounds pretty typical.  In terms of romantic relationships, she was
purposefully vague.  As long as you respect who you're with, and you
respect the value of your love, it doesn't really matter who or how
many...


						Gerry
--
(my favorite Heinlein quote (non-random)):
                        ***************************

        "The more you love, the more you can love - and the more
intensely you love.  Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. 
If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority that are
decent and just."

                                        -Lazarus Long

                        ***************************
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: reactions to polyamory
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.100539.2613@nic.csu.net>
     connor@sonoma.edu (Greg Connor) writes:

>Do you usually find that you have one BIG relationship where all partners
>have open communication lines to all other partners?  Or do you have a
>collection of twosomes with partners dividing their time (for example
>XY and XZ spend time together, but Y&Z barely know each other)?
>For those of you who have had BOTH kinds, which do you like better?
>Which do you find more stable?

   Well, you're right; it is a bit of a naive question.  At the moment,
I have a pair of twosomes, one with with a man, the other with a woman.
It works as a "big" relationship only in that all three of us get along
very well, going out to movies and plays and the like, but on the other
hand they don't sleep with each other, while I sleep with each of them
independantly.

   That seems to be _my_ modus operandi of choice; I'd rather have my
partners know each other, as well as possible.  One of Omaha's current
playmates is a man I regularly have dinner with, a most preferable
situation over not knowing him at all.

>Another (possibly naive) question:  Do you usually find in your relationships
>that there are 'dominant' pairings, and that one person may be more important
>to you, (possibly the partner you have been with longest)?  Or do you feel
>that favoring one partner over the other would be unfair?

   Do we need a FAQ, folks?  Yes, there is most definitely in my
relationships a ranking of priorities.  My wife always comes first, not
necessarily because she's been with me the longest but simply because
she _does_ come first.

   When discussing humans, remember that, as a species, consistency has
never been one of our strong points.  As feelings and experiences
shift, so too do people's importances in our lives.  If there are
'priority' relationships, the fact that a certain partner has been
around the longest will only be a very small part of the equation.

         Elf !!!
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elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand...
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:17:48 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

It seems to me the only righteous form of sex for a good
Objectivist would be masturbation.  For one thing, no matter
how selfish you are, there's a good chance the other party
or parties will get something out of it.  In fact, they
might get _more_ out of it than you do.

Then there's the problem of one's emotions.  Sex is 
notorious for giving people those woofy, moist feelings
for one another we call "love".  In fact, it's a lot
more fun that way.  So one would always be strongly
tempted to act altruistically.  Can't have that.

Of course, sex is also pretty irrational.  But given the
twistings and turnings in various screeds, the logical
machine can probably be made to turn out a few sausages
in favor of masturbation, anyway.
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