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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: School vouchers
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:08:46 GMT

In article <26632@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
    >Phil Ronzone writes:
    >>>Do you mean that it doesn't matter, the children of these
    >>>cases are just out of luck, they don't get an education?
    >>>
    >>Yes.
    >>
    >Ok -- I think this & what follows, establishes you as an
    >extremist of some kind. It makes it that much harder to take
    >your arguments seriously.


Well, then, I assume you are such an extremist as well. Or do you
take every single $$$ over bare subsistence level (of your income)
and send it to the truly starving children in Somolia/Ethiopa/...?

If you don't, then you are doing nothing. What an extremist.


    >>Show me proof that any $$$ above the utter bare minimum
    >>survival amount that you make is donated to those children,
    >>and I'll take you out of the "we".
    >>
    >Why? You'll first have to show me what that demand has to do
    >with anything. Since when has such absolutism & perfection
    >been demanded for anything? Should we start demanding you
    >only post perfect postings?

Exactly. What does any number of children needing anything have to
do with me? Socialism is dead you know. Or, does it only count
if the children are close by and harder to ignore -- is it then only
that YOU raise a call to tax ME to assuage YOUR guilt or bad feelings?


If YOU are bothered, YOU do something about it.


    >>No, the children aren't coerced out of anything. There is a
    >>difference
    >>
    >Remember the education money was "stolen" from them by
    >parents who didn't pay the school bills &c. Apparently you
    >are unable to answer this question.

So resisting the State coercion somehow steals from the children.
So thus anything the parents do than can negatively affect the children
is stealing or wrong, eh? So don't be a dissident in a totalitarian
State, because after all, the State always takes it out on the children
of dsissidents as well as the parents.

How cute.

How wrong.


    >>No, it's part of your principles -- because SOME bad may
    >>occur, let's force EVERYBODY to ...
    >>
    >Is yours, because SOME bad may occur, let's not DO ANYTHING?
    >This is what you want me to believe? Sounds like a stupid
    >principle to me.

Really? Our legal system is based on it. rather than let some BAD
happen, we let a 100 guilty men go free rather than risk punishing
an innocent man.

Sorry it sounds so stupid to you.

Statists never like principles like that anyway. Gotta' control
dem people ...



-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: For Arthur Hu: Heterosexual AIDS Stats in the East
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:07:55 GMT

In article <2736@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.163033.26743@odin.corp.sgi.com> zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:
    >:Do the Africans with AIDS have the kind of sex practices
    >that you :think American homosexuals do?
    >
    >Sure they do. Haven't you heard about the bathhouses in
    >Zimbabae? Or how about he S&M parties in Kenya? Didn't you
    >know that they have Crisco parties in Rhodesia? And partners
    >-- boy do they have partners. Why, tens if not hundreds a
    >week, maybe even a night. If those africans wouldn't be so
    >promiscious they wouldn't have that problem.
    >
    >And worst of all they let NAMBLA march in thier parades!!!
    >And until they denounce NAMBLA, stop doing things that are so
    >disgusting and wrong, and keep it private where no one can
    >see it, then they deserve whatever happens to them.
    >

Well, there are differences. A CNN report mentioned that a lot of
goods move in Africa by truck, and the truck drivers patronzie
prostitutes at each truck stop -- seemingly an average truck
driver can have 4-5 quickies in an 8-hour shift. Unprotected of
course.

Talk about a disease vector ...

In any case, from the report that Clayton published, there doesn't
seem to the right kinds of changes in homosexual sex practices.

Why don't you discuss that instead of name mangling?


[Ya' know you're right when all they can do is make fun of your name].




-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Homophobic Majority?
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:22:13 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <n2#pg1-.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>In article <96860@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>I maintain that firing an employee based on his private
>>conduct on his own time is initiation of coercion.

Phil:
>>>So when Acme Inc. sees a video tape of the entirely legal
>>>political meeting where John Doe calls for a NAZI state in
>>>America

>>If a person is dumb enough to tape parts of his private life,
>>he had better make sure that he keeps track of those tapes.
>>If someone absconds with them and attempts defamation, John
>>Doe can claim invasion of privacy.

>Does this mean that if the tapes were to become public, then Acme could
>fire John Doe the private-until-now NAZI? And thus, isn't this really
>a call for keeping it in the closet (for whatever "it" is?)?

Not really. Employers should be able to control behavior on their
property and their property only.

>>>Think -- IT HAS TO BE MUTUAL. BOTH PARTIES MUST AGREE.

>>Gee, I didn't know that anyone had to agree on private
>>activities.

>Yes. Of course all people in private activities must agree. Actually,
>except for the coercive activities of the State, ALL activities are
>private. I.e., private .vs. is almost an artificial and meaningless
>distinction.

You know that's not what I meant. I meant that if I am you boss I have
no say in what you can do with your girlfriend to qualify for employment,
or that what you do with your girlfriend has bearing on my business.

otherwise, I would be invading your privacy.

You know what is problematic about defining EVERYTHING except government
as private? If you do that, you should be able to sunbathe in the nude
on your property no matter whether someone else can see you and objects.

If you do that, businesses should be totally unregulatable. No usury
laws, no public health laws, no nothing...

>>What about a compromise? The government gives tax incentives
>>to those corporations which sign non-discriminatory contracts
>>with their employees?

>This is the crux of creeping fascism.

But it is voluntary and mutually agreed upon. If you don't like
the deal, don't sign the contract.

>Tax incentives are nothing more than a variant of a protection racket.

I guess I had better stop donating to charities.

Brian
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From: jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia Jazanoski)
Subject: Re: HERSCHENSOHN: Differences with Boxer on Education
Reply-To: jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia Jazanoski)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:33:40 GMT

In article <athos-041092160825@kip2-43.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>
>The US Constitution says that (1) you can't force me pray and (2) you can't
>stop me from praying.  That's all Bruce is saying.  Boxer, on the other
>hand, is saying that you CAN stop someone from praying.  That's against the
>first amendment, unless you have another explanation?
>

Could you please elaborate on the "you CAN stop someone from praying"?
(i.e. give examples) Prayer seems like a pretty personal issue to me, 
so why does Bruce need to get involved in someone's private thoughts? 
Can't students take a moment of silence before eating lunch or during 
quiet "work" periods? 

Patti Jazanoski

Xref: sparky ba.politics:5848 ca.politics:8421
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: School vouchers
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:12:41 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Phil Ronzone writes:
[after a long windup]
#Of course, there were some pretty outrageous excesses. But, what do you do
#when literrally millions on untrained, unskilled, essentially illiterate
#people (in English) arrive on your doorstep?

Send 'em to public school?
Xref: sparky ba.politics:5745 ca.politics:8309
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: June Genis to Speak in Mtn View!
Keywords: Save our Liberties, Anti-Prohibition
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:30:46 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


Our own answer to Herschenson/Boxer, June Genis, will be speaking
at the Mountain View Community Center (Rengstorff Park), on 
October 8, at 7:30 PM, which is a Thursday night.

The meeting is sponsored by Save Our Liberties, a local anti-
prohibition group.  

Regarding Boxer's latest stance on the drug war, I heard her interviewed
on KCBS yesterday saying that instead of spending 75% of the money
on interdiction and 25% on education/rehab, that she now thinks
that the money should be split evenly between the two.  Whoopdedo.  I suppose
this is a step in the right direction, but both she and Herschenson
need to be pulled *much* further toward an anti-prohibition, pro-
Bill of Rights stance.

Whoever's in the Senate for the next 6 years must take steps to rein in
the civil forfeiture statutes and to stave off whatever un-Constitutional
escalations the drug warriors have in mind, not to mention
confirm new justices to the Supreme Court.  It is imperative that
this elected official be highly respectful of our civil liberties.

We may not elect June, but we can make damn sure that Boxer 
and Herschenson learn that June has a strong constituency,
united on the issue of civil liberties; 
that we find the Boxer/Herschenson choice unacceptable, and that we
refuse to support the lesser of the two evils in this case.

Let's get together and raise some hell at the park,
and help give June Genis the spotlight which the major parties 
would cynically deny her.  


--Al Date

All that's required for evil to happen is for good folks to do nothing.
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Newsgroups: ba.politics
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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Recruiting Devices? (was Mr. Cramer's strange views)
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:31:15 GMT

In article <4330@wet.UUCP> mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy) writes:
    >Lets make a rule - if you are going to cite "literary works"
    >or "scholarly" works - give us the author and title.
    >Otherwise its bull... I was born and raised in San Francisco.
    >I myself am not gay, but I have known gays and lesbians for
    >years. I have discussed at length with some of them
    >concerning their "origins". Cramer and other "assumptionists"
    >have not done their homework.
    >
    >I guess though if you go to the right bookstore, all the
    >literature may be tainted. I would expect books there to have
    >titles like
    >
    >"The Holocaust Myth" or "The Re-Integration of the Races"
    >
    >Pedophilists (from what I read in the paper and from what I
    >learned in College), maybe around 10-20% Homosexual. With
    >statistics that I cannot quote that may have the U.S.
    >population of 10% homosexual, the rates in their population
    >are similarly about 10-20%. Again with all statistics - if
    >you are going to cite statistics that have negative impact
    >like labeling homosexuals as deviants and child molestors,
    >give your sources. Cite the survey, the question asked, the
    >number of respondents and the percentage error. Otherwise
    >these "scholarly" works that are quoted will be assumed
    >non-existent, incredible and ridiculous.

The only figures with sources place the homosexual % as 1%, maybe 4% in
the extreme. Which makes the per capita indicidence of homosexual
child molestors 20 to 5 times greater than homosexual.

But hey, take YOU OWN ADVICE and post sources.


    >I read Ca.politics and Ba.politics because I expect to see
    >talk about politics. Instead I have seen the same drivel for
    >the past two years made up of posts from the same people
    >about the same subjects (ad nauseam). If the topics are going
    >to be discussed let us all talk about issues where we have
    >some knowledge either tthrough life experienll or actual
    >research. Otherwise lets move all the repeat talk to another
    >newsgroup.

Good idea -- why don't you do it?



-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
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Subject: ***House Painting!!!!!!!!!!!*******
Followup-To: ba.jobs.misc
Organization: Slac
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:03:35 GMT

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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: What does a SW manager earn?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:05:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I am being considered for a software manager postion in the Bay Area and
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Thanks,

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Subject: Need a Job!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:51:15 GMT

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Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
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Subject: UNIX Database Programmer/Analyst
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Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Who's a good head hunter from an employer's perspective?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 01:32:34 GMT

I people often ask for the name of a good headhunter when they're looking
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for somebody hiring (in marketing/sales).  Either from other employers,
or employees who have been impressed with the HHs who placed them.
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