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From: das@castle.ed.ac.uk (D Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Queries about some obscure Brit-Rail stuff
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:25:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <2447@tymix.Tymnet.COM> burke@doright.Tymnet.COM (John Burke) writes:
>Can anyone answer either of these questions:
>
>  o I heard a rumor there are trains of particular interest to rail
>    buffs on the Isle of Wight, but got no details.  Does anyone know
>    something specific?
>
>  o I heard that some old London Transport cars are in use in remote
>    (i.e. far from London Transport) locations around the British
>    Isles.  Anyone know any details on
>    this?  My lapsing memory suggests that this was what was on the
>    Isle of Wight, but it ain't sure.

Yes the Isle of Wight BR trains are ex London Transport vehicles. 
(this is the second lot of ex LT stock to go to the island).

There is now a new station at Smallbrook junction where passengers
can change from the BR trains to the Isle of Wight steam railway
(steam railway operates on certain days until end of October.
[I can send you mor details if interested]


- David A Stewart -
EE
Edinburgh University
D.A.Stewart@ee.ed.ac.uk

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From: dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy)
Subject: Santa Fe #3751 Toll Free Hot Line Number
Originator: dawdy@sunk13
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:52:19 GMT

Got this off Compu$erve last night and don't remember seeing posted
here.  The Santa Fe has set up a toll free number for all us "railfans"
to keep track of times and dates of the employee recognition train being
pulled by #3751.  All you need is a phone with real push buttons :-)
The number is 1-800-477-3751.  I tried it this morning and got a recorded
message with the whole route with times and consist.  Once the trip gets
underway, they will update the message daily.  Thought everybody would
like to know.

Dan
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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: K B & S What is it ?????????????
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:44:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Jon Roma writes:
> 
> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> >The road you speak of is the Kankakee, Beaverville & Southern. I see their
> >piggyback trailers on the highway all the time(The are BN green and look
> >almost like ex-BN intermodal design).
> 
> There's a good reason for this -- the KB&S trailers were purchased
> second-hand
> from BN!


Very ironic...I was working last night in the yard here in Vancouver and I
pointed out a funny-looking name on the side of a pig to a co-worker.  We
chuckled at the the name...yep, you guessed it, Kankakee Beavervile & Southern!

Interesting fluke...and yes, they are funny looking in that tey are BN trailers
with funny names on them.

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From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: Signal type (was: Re: Semaphore Signals)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:33:09 GMT

elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:

>  Around 1986, a sign with the letter "D" began to appear on the inoperative 
>approaches signals of all the railroads I've seen.  It at least provides quick 
>identification of the signal's purpose, but may have another meaning.  Just 
>what the "D" stands for, I have no idea.

The ``D'' stands for ``distant''.
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From: gregg@pinot.zehntel.com (Gregg Fuhriman)
Subject: Re: K B & S     What is it ?????????????
Reply-To: gregg@pinot.UUCP (Gregg Fuhriman)
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:18:17 GMT

>
>The engines were marked "K B & S".  What is the K B & S????  Its

Yes, its a shortline.  Kankakee, Beaverton, & Southern or some such (I'm sure
someone will correct this).  I think Kankakee and Beaverton are in Illinois.
I've seen lots of their piggyback trailers out here in the west ... they
look like re-lettered BN trailers, green with white stripes, etc.

					Gregg Fuhriman
From: shapiro@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Brian Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Indiana & Ohio
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:37:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


I noticed a recent post that mentioned the Indiana & Ohio running between
Lebanon and Mason (I assume Ohio). I am interested in knowing more about this
line. They seem to have a repair/restoration/maintenance facility in Logan
Ohio about 30 miles north of Athens, where I live.
 
Often, when I drive by their locamotive is sitting outside of the shed 
(its number 63) and the red, orange and white color scheme always catches
my eye. At one time, there was what appeared to be the block of a 
diesel locamotive engine sitting at one end of the building. Boy was it big.
 
So, if anyone can tell me anything about the Indiana & Ohio  would like to
hear about it. Thanks.

Brian
-- 
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Ohio University, Athens, Ohio 45701
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From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: What is an interlocking? (was: Signal type)
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:28:01 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Aug29.225408.18253@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>In <1992Aug29.155831.14910@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> waldin@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Earl Waldin) writes:
>
>>I have seen the term "interlocking" used a lot lately, mostly in conjunction
>>with signal descriptions.  I've figured out what block signals are but
>>I'm not quite sure what an interlocking is.  It appears to be a junction
>
>	To the best of my less-than professional understanding of the
>railroad/subway BIZ, an interlocking is a type of signal CONTROL, and

Yes, an interlocking is a type of signal (and switch) control.

>means that the signals are controled remotely from 2 locations.  If a
>line is only controlled from one place then it wouldn't inter-lock with
>another.

Sorry, this is incorrect. Controlling signals remotely from
more than one location would be the antithesis of safeworking,
and defeats the concept of an interlocking. The definition of
interlocking has no dependence upon any 'remote' items. See
a full description in my earlier posting.

>But on many of the drawings ive seen of NYCTA signals
>a usual station/location "interlocking" is represented by a list of the
>signal controls, many of which connect with other machines.

In order to provide proper safety, conditions controlled at
one interlocking machine may need to be known (but not controlled)
at another machine. This will happen often when the trackage
controlled is in proximity, as happens on closely-spaced
subway trackage.

Michael Stimac

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From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Washington Metro Unfinished Segments
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:27:15 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu


The segment of Green line from Ft. Totten to Greenbelt is set to open  
in mid 1993 and is largely completed.

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From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: questions about the history of the Great Western
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:09:40 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

The 'real' Great Western was incorporated in 1835 to run between Bristol
and London. The first section (between London and Maidenhead) was opened
in 1838. It was originally built to the 7ft gauge, and tight curves were
avoided because Brunel wanted the sort of speed that couldn't be attained
using Stevensons "coal-cart gauge" (4ft 8.5in). He envisaged cars with
comparatively narrow bodies, with large wheels outside the cars to giver
faster speeds for the same friction at the primitive axle bearings then
used. Not many vehicles were built like this, but the line was certainly
faster than any of the others at the time, because of the proportional
increase in the size of the locomotive boilers and driving wheels. Some
of the early locomotives were complete freaks. One of these was a 10ft
single-driver with the boiler and engine unit on separate trucks. This
one was timed running light from London to Maidenhead at 80+ mph, which
would terrify me, given the lack of decent brakes then.

The broad gauge lasted until 1892, when the West of England lines were
finally converted to the standard gauge. The Great Western survived the
grouping of 1923 and lasted until the railways were nationalised in 1947
when it bacame the Western Region of British Railways. A life of nearly
110 years.

There is only one genuine broad gauge locomotive preserved in Britain,
a small 0-4-0 shunter (switcher) with a vertical boiler. Appropriately,
it is named "Tiny" and is on a plinth at Newton Abbott station. There is
a replica of the 2-2-2 "North Star" at the GW museum in Sindon, which
includes parts of the original. There is a running replica of "Iron
Duke" 4-2-2 at the National Railway Museum in York. This is H*U*G*E.
Finally, the Firefly trust are building a replica "Firefly" 2-2-2.

Interestingly, Colin Garrett, the photographer, discovered 2 defunct 7ft
gauge locomotives in the Azores, of all places. These are more modern,
being broad gauge versions of typical turn of the century British
industrial shunters.

Chris Lee
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: TRIP REPORT NEW HAMPSHIRE
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:57:01 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

RE: BM #501

My pictures came back last night.  I can confirm that
the engine I erroneously called a 4-6-0 is indeed 
2-8-0 #501.

Thanks to all those who caught the mistake.
~S
--
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"Not yet famous author"
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From: vaughnw@asia.fai.com (Vaughn Wolffe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Statement from APTA on U.S. Senate action on transit
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:29:47 GMT


>From: ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
>So do I ... that's why I think public transit fares should be increased
>beyond the average 10% recovery rate that exists today.  An increase
>to 62% recovery (to match the "38% subsidy of highways") seems fair.
>Or, the gas tax funds can stop being used for public transit and returned 
>for use on the highways so the "38% subsidy of highways" can be reduced.


Actually the subsidy to roads is greater than 38% if you count the loss
of land(property taxes), increase drainage and waste treatment, police
and emergency, free parking(with tax write offs) and repayment of general 
fund monies over the last 50 years that were used to build city streets.
You might make it easier on the auto driver if you could get the truckers
to pay their share(65%) of the road damage instead of the paltry 35%.
That may be a bigger fight since they are the biggest lobbying group
in congress.

You might also become informed to the fact that only about 1/3 of the
mass transit funds come from the highway fund with the rest coming from
the general fund. Thats about $1 billion out of $15-17 billion. 
Ofcourse the highways get general fund money from the "demonstration"
projects that the local porkbarrelers in congress have been buying
votes with almost since roads began.


You might also consider that 75-85% of "public transit" is for buses.
I do not know about other states but here in California bus agencies
pay gas and other excise taxes, the same as automobiles. That being
the case the portion of highway trust fund dedicated to "public
transit" would seem fair. Legally  the highway trust fund
was set up with the specific provision that a certain portion go to
"public transit", otherwise it would not have be passed.


source: conversation with FHWA in San Francisco, backed up by a 
booklet from DOT describing the new ISTEA bill.



   Vaughn Wolffe        vaughnw@hadar.fai.com
From: raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling)
Subject: Re: Portola Backroads in November?
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:36:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.223716.20729@uwm.edu>, dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen) writes:
> 
> My question here though pertains to rail fanning in the backroads
> around Portola, etc, the first weekend of November. Just looking at the
> maps I have wanted to drive a loop from say Sacramento on 50 and go
> around one side of Lake Tahoe (any suggested preference? I like
> outdoorsy stuff as much as train stuff) and go north on 267 to 89 and
> then maybe go north to chillcoot via Loyalton or direct to Portola, ...

	Here's another possibility or two if you have time for a day-hike
	while going east from Sacramento:  Start on US 50 eastbound.
	Stop at the Forest Service station half-way between Placerville
	and Pollock Pines, pick up info and (optionally) a wilderness
	permit.

	    Plan A:  Continue up US 50 and hike into the Desolation
	    Wilderness.  (That's the option that calls for a wilderness
	    permit).  I'm partial to some of the scenic high country
	    accessed by trails out of Wrights Lake, but you'd want to
	    dedicate much of the day to one of these.

	    Plan B:  For a quicker day hike or different territory,
	    one you can cut over to Highway 88 on a couple roads that
	    are relatively unknown to non-locals.  Don't do it if we
	    get an early storm though -- one of those roads isn't
	    plowed in the winter.  One quick & easy hike leaves from
	    a prominent trailhead at the top of Carson Pass.

	In either case you can follow US 50 or US 88 past Lake Tahoe
	and into the Carson Valley, winding up almost at the doorstep
	of the Nevada State Railroad Museum -- definitely worth a stop.
	If you want a scenic glider ride over the east shore of Lake
	Tahoe, you can find that at Minden, about 17 miles from Carson
	City.  You could go back through the Lake Tahoe area and head
	north via 89 to Portola.

	Related things to remember...  Reserve your diesel rental
	time well in advance, and look out for icy roads in the Sierra.
	I can supply assorted other info by email if you're interested.


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

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From: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Subject: Belfast and Moose Lake?
Originator: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: UW-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:14:31 GMT

I was wondering what ever happened to the B&ML railroad that me and a couple
friends toured last year May after the B&A Centennial trips. They were
apparently at odds with the real estate interests on the Belfast waterfront.

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From: johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger)
Subject: Re: Snowsqualmie Falls, WA Train Yard?
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:59:27 GMT

Hudson Leighton (hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org) wrote:
> You mean somebody acually wants to live in that "Rain Forest"
> 
> I was out there several years ago and the amount of mist from the falls
> was amazing not to mention the various green things growing on the sides
> of equiptment.
> 
> 
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     Oh, come on, now.  There is nothing more exhilarating than stepping on
a slug in your bare feet! :-)

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From: dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Denise Pullen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead returns to PBS
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:27:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.railroad: 2-Sep-92 Tracks Ahead returns to PBS
by Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.c 
>  Check with your local PBS station to see when the series will be
> broadcast in your area. It will be distributed to about 200 PBS
> stations across the country.

Just curious if you know whether the program has been picked up by WQED
in Pittsburgh. If not, my apologies. Thanks.

-D-
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From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Subject: Re: questions about the history of the Great Western
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:32:10 GMT

In article <180mnnINN3rt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>   The Great Western Sugar Company went bankrupt in the 70's, and the railroad
|> ceased operation.  They had, at that time, several diesels (EMD switchers
|> mostly, I think), but a few years before bankruptcy, they also had three 
|> operable steam engines.  These were original GW engines they had retained 
|> after their dieselization.  They occasionally saw freight service during the 
|> height of the beet-harvest, but were used mostly for special excursions.  The 
|> most famous of these was GW decapod #90, a "Russian Decapod" purchased new by 
|> GW (which is why I say the GW began pre-1920).  It was finally sold to the 
|> Strasburg Railroad in Pennsylvania where it continues to be used.  The other 
|> engines were #51 (2-8-0) and either #60 or #75 (wheel arr. unk.).  #51 has 
|> been barnstorming the country under private ownership, at one point returning 

75op            2-8-0   GWR     E.L. Rohrer (Denver), Hudson, CO
51              2-8-0   GWR     Mead, CO
60op            2-8-0   GWR     Black River and Western, Ringoes, NJ
90op            2-10-0  GWR     Strasburg Railroad, Strasburg, PA

Number 75 is a Hollywood star.  It has appeared in many movies including
"Cat Ballou" and more recently "Far And Away".  The owner has a number
of smoke stacks, headlights, and cow-catchers.  This way he can make it
fit into the era of the movie being filmed.

|> to the "new GW" for a few months, until farmers started making noises about 
|> grass fires.  
|>   At the time it went bankrupt, GW also had a number of steam "dinkies" to 
|> switch the beet elevators.  I think they all got scrapped.

I few survived the torch.

                0-4-0   GWSCX   Ken Kafka's, Pierce, CO
2121            0-4-0T  GWSCX   City Park, Sterling, CO
2123            0-4-0T  GWSCX   Smokey Hill Railroad Museum, Kansas City, MO


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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Subject: Re: Semaphore Signals
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:25:48 GMT


In a previous article, wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill) says:

>In rec.railroad, preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Jul29.171008.10089@bony1.bony.com>, billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>> >In article <l7bqk4INNj7@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>**[Lots of stuff deleted]
>
>> AT&SF has semaphores between Albuquerque and Raton.
>
>I drove out I-40 parallel to this route last summer, and noticed that the 
>semaphores all seemed to be pointing "up", while I didn't see a train for at
>least 150 miles one day. Does this mean that the "default" position (all
>right, I know mixing trains with computer terminology is risky :-) ) when
>a train isn't in the block in question is "go"? 

I think some of that trackage up there is still ABS, so everything is green 
until a train approaches.  As for the rest, green is still the default 
position, but the other aspects are controlled some other way (I say this 
because I have seen some semafores on this line drop all the way from green
to red without stopping at yellow as a train approaches.  It could be just ABS
with the yellow indication removed for opposing trains.)

  By the way, these semifores may not be long for this world.  The plan, for a
while, has been to replace all semafores between La Junta, CO and Albuquerque,
NM.  They had been doing it by replacing the signals as they failed, but last
month I saw a crew setting up new tri-light south of La Junta at Timpas, CO 
where the old semafores were clearly still functional.  All semafores north 
of there had replaced as well.
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