HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: luru@stekt1.oulu.fi (Ari Husa OH8NUP)
Subject: Re: 8 months, 27 days
Reply-To: luru@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: The Buffalo Club
	<1992Sep28.105325.6544@cs.joensuu.fi> <tsh.717683048@vipunen.hut.fi>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:35:23 GMT

In article <tsh.717683048@vipunen.hut.fi> tsh@lesti.hut.fi (Timo Hyv|nen) writes:

> Or maybe one eachday..alt.irc.greg.lindahl.trying.to.recover.8.months.27.days
> and.counting.

I reckon Timo is yet to be saved from the evil of IRC.

	Luru, former junkie

///     On se perse pienell{kin,
o-o             paskareik{ pahallakin.
 o                      (Puumala)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen)
Subject: Re: 8 months, 27 days
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:53:25 GMT

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>... and counting. Anyone want to take over my 2 servers?

no, but why don't we change the name of this newsgroup.
alt.irc.greg.lindahl.recovered would be much better :-)

Juice
jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo)
Subject: Re: more hacks (logged)
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:39:27 GMT

From article <1992Sep28.033302.11264@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by frechett@spot.Colorado.EDU (-=Runaway Daemon=-):
> As for how to solve this problem in the long run, it's not that simple.
> The only way to make channel modes totally consistent is to centralize 
> the channel information.   Either a specific server or a specific person
> would contain all the information about that channel.  Requests for 
> mode changes would have to go through that centralized location.
> It was so much simpler back when someone could change the mode when
> they weren't chanop.. and weren't even on the channel.. jah know.. 

Actually, two other possible solutions are:

	1) Cease to recognise *any* mode -o messages and kick messages
	   where the person being kicked is a chanop.

	2) Go back to the days when KICK and MODE which come from a
	   server are trusted. Since somebody who is *really* going
	   to hack a server can get around the detection fairly
	   trivially, this is probably a reasonable thing to do.

> BTW, you may argue that you've JUST got to have bots that kick.  It's
> not true.  Pressure you irc admins to upgrade their servers.. Make sure
> ban works on all the servers.  In fact, in the long run mode +i is still
> the most effective way to keep people off a channel and keep the roar 

Not really. There are still netsplits, where KICK is the only option.
--
__________________________________________________________________________
troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU	Overworked, overcommited and always multitasking.
        Fine, so I'm an FOFH. Now shut up and don't complain.
From: cumej@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melinda James)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: is anyone using IRC for anything useful?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:49:01 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I have been watching with interest the great debate on whether IRC is
useful or not.  Basically, who cares.  If people enjoy doing it then
leave them alone.  Are they hurting anyone?  If you think that it has no
use then stay off it.  No one has the right to judge other people for
what they want to do in their spare time.  If they get addicted to it
then they will have to deal with it and face the consequences.  Enough
criticism.  Just take it for what it is worth and keep negative opinions
to yourself. No one is forcing a gun to your head to make you login.  If
you can
t say something nice then don't say any thing at all.
Just my 25 cents (inflation you know) *smile*
Melinda
"Ireland"
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct4.163953.27643@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
> In article <1992Oct4.052710.6197@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> 
>>	Even when the Soviet Union was a big baddie we still gave it
>>grain and loans and whatnot.  I am not saying this was good or bad it merely
>>was policy.
> 
> Wasn't this after Nixon's detente?  Or was this during Kruschev's thawing?
> Again, I'm more interested in technology transfers by our government
> during the height of the Cold War.  Also, grain transfers and tech
> transfers aren't quite the same.
> 
     Earlier in the year, I read in the Wall Street Journal that
the Soviet Strategic Grain Reserves has stockpiled enough grain to 
feed the entire population of the old U.S.S.R. for 3 years.  
Is this information well-known (specifically, is anyone else on the
Net aware of this)?  
 
>>Bush's policy, his 'New World Order,' was a reaction to
>>agression between recognized autonimous states in a growing era of
>>lack of superpower centralization.  As the superpowers remove their influence,
>>wars grow from cold to hot.  There were wars before there were superpowers,
>>you must remember, and the reasons for those wars have not been eliminated
>>today.  America is acting like Teddy Roosevelt's 'American policeman' or
>>whatever.  It was act as a monopole, which the scientists have not yet
>>found but apparently Bush is trying to find.
> 
> Bush's foreign policy has been far more reactionary than anything
> else.  Oh, wow, Soviet Union falling apart.  Let's sit around with
> Gorby for a while.  Yugoslavia goes up in flames, let's sit around
> some more.  And so on.  I think William Safire has called Bush foreign
> policy a disaster this morning on one of those talk shows for these
> reasons.

     Yeah, I saw him on Meet the Press.  Regardless of your opinion 
of Bush, let me quote Abraham Lincoln:  "I claim not to have 
controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me."

     C. Perttunen
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: "Strong Family Values" (IV)
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:19:40 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1ane92INNh0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
> 
> It occurs to me that this article is a good example of something
> that I have long felt was an intellectual failure of liberalism.
> Liberals tend to identify a real social problem (e.g. lack of adequate
> health care) and then propose a plausible sounding solution (e.g.
> public health insurance). Without bothering to actually win the debate
> over whether their preferred program is actually the best (or even an
> adequate) way to address the underlying concern, they then shift the 
> terms of the discussion so that THE FAILURE TO ADOPT THEIR PROPOSED
> SOLUTION becomes identified as a social problem in itself.
> 
> The article I'm responding to is far from the worst in this genre. It
> just happened to be in the right place at the right time to irritate
> me enough to provoke a response.
> 
> My observations on the health care crisis are as follows. As long as
> the objective costs of providing adequate care are large compared to
> typical income levels there will be a problem. Schemes for reslicing the
> cake may change the shape of the problem and re-allocate the suffering,
> but they will not alleviate it. To resolve the problem we need a genuine
> economic recovery, so the typical person becomes wealthier, and better
> able to afford medical care, and lifes other necessities. On the medical
> front specifically, we need to bring the cost of medical technology down
> by investing in a new generation of medical equipment that will have the
> kind of design and cost advantages over present technology such as we have
> seen in the field of computers.
> 
> -Steve

	I think we might also ask ourselves some fundamental questions
about the roots of our current system of medical treatment.  It is my
understanding that circa 1910 large endowments were made to US medical
schools by the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations, et. al., who had
major interests in I. G. Farben and other manufacturers of pharmaceuticals.
As a result, training in medical schools shifted away from preventive
medicine and holistic philosphies to drug-intense therapy.  We see this
in full flower today.  yet longevity in the US is no better and is often
worse than in many countries that have retained medical philosophies
more atuned to prevention of disease.  Personally, I think more than
reform of the medical system we need a revolution in our whole approach
to health care.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.desert-storm
Subject: The Big Lie (Live and In Person :)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:59:25 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1296500394@igc.apc.org>, awair@igc.apc.org (Arab World and Islamic Resources) writes:
> 
> From: Arab World and Islamic Resources <awair>
> Subject: Mass Killings
> 
> 
> /* Written 12:19 pm  Sep 21, 1992 by 4f@delta.il.us in cdp:alt.save.the.e */
> /* ---------- "@@@@ Mass killings @@@@" ---------- */
> I have some disturbing news that I would like everyone to know.  A few
> weeks ago I was eating dinner with some friends.  One of my friends told
> me that over the summer he met four soldiers that took part in Desert Storm.

	Man, this guy gets around a lot!

> All of the soldiers told him a similar gruesome story.  According to the
> soldiers, U.S. military personnel dug a huge pit and ordered Iraqi
> POWs to lay down in the pit.  The U.S. military personnel were there ordered
> to bulldoze sand over the Iraqi's in the pit.  THOUSANDS of Iraqi's were
> BURRIED ALIVE.  The U.S. soldiers that took part in this were told that if
> they refused to do this, they would be shot.  The thing that makes me believe
> this is that none of the four soldiers that my friend talked to knew each
> other and he talked to them individually.

	*YAWN*.  You know, when you assume that most readers on Usenet are so
stupid as to believe something because it gets posted from several anonymous
sources....

Brett                                                      
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Xref: sparky alt.activism:16973 talk.politics.misc:48810 talk.environment:3995
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Energy Policy (II)
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:42:09 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <CINDY.92Sep27152546@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>Don McGregor writes:
@ I came across a good example of this mindset some time ago.  A
>newspaper
@ asked for "brainstorming" ideas on the ideal city.  Clean, efficient,
@ mass transit was a popular choice.  But if there are no constraints
@ at all, it would seem to me that clean, effcient, cheap _individual_
@ transport would be a better idea.  The unconcious desire for a "group"
@ system blinded them to the optimal constraint-free solution.

>There's still another issue, however, and that issue is space.
>Say an average bus or light rail car holds 40 people.  That bus
>takes up much less space on the road than 40 cars each holding one 
>person.  The result would be less traffic pile-up during rush hour.
>It also takes less space to store (park) a bus when not in use
>than it does to park those forty cars.  Anyone who has ever worked
>downtown in a large city knows about the difficulty and expense
>of parking.  Space has to be taken into consideration, too; it's
>as real a problem as air pollution in heavily populated areas.

	And there is also the question of how much space the
appropriate roadways consume. A heavy-rail (multi-car) system can
carry the capacity of a ten-lane freeway on a right-of-way only as big
as a two-lane road. Furthermore, it can be elevated or run underground
at much less expense than the typical freeway can.

	Here in the Bay Area, BART trains run 3 min. apart through San
Francisco during peak hours, with the trains being 10 cars long and
with each car seating 64 or 68 people, with standing room for perhaps
30 or so. The carrying capacity is 13,000 (seated) people/hour, which
is equivalent to that of several freeway lanes.

	Cost? BART has gotten a lot of flak over the years over the
expense of building the system, and now building extensions to it, but
it is curious that highway costs are hardly ever commented on -- for
example, the cost to rebuild the West Oakland segment of I-880, which
was wrecked in the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989, is $700 million for
1.75 mi (a bit longer than the original route) -- $400 million/mile (!)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dittrich@milton.u.washington.edu (Dave Dittrich)
Subject: HR3204 - Audio Home Recording Act of 1991: question
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:52:50 GMT

I just read a message from a DAT (Digital Audio Tape) email list that
mentioned the subject House Resolution, and said that it is currently
sitting on the President's desk awaiting his signature.  Can anyone
confirm this, and if so is the text available anywhere?

As a DAT owner, I am concerned about the efforts of the recording industry
to tax home recording equipment to subsidize the recording industry.
Please respond by email; I will follow up to the net if I learn anything
important.  Thanks.
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: NLNS: CHRISTIAN IDENTITY (UPDATED V
Date: 3 Oct 1992 08:46:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Chip Berlet writes (approximately) "There are scores of devestating
critiques of the Federal Reserve and its questionable policies".

Chip, since not all of us have time to do exhaustive library research, 
would you be willing to name a reference or two which you particularly
recommend? I'd also be intered to hear a beief summary of your own views
on who controls the Fed and to what ends their policies are shaped.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Paul Worden)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:56:56 GMT

bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.212747.17042@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>I didn't know the death of enemy soldiers in a war was such a tragedy.
>>Considering what they did to the people of Kuwait, why are we upset??
>>

>Because they are human beings, and somehow it is disgusting to think that
>we killed more people than we had to or that we killed them more brutally
>than we had to (at least to me it is).

>-Bob

	Your humanitarianism is to be commended.  However, in a combat 
situation I, as I am sure others will agree, would rather kill the person that
is trying to kill me than to let him kill me.  Life is precious especially if 
it is your own.  On a cynical note, you could think of it as population control
on a planetary scale.  
	On the comment of killing "them more brutally than we had to..."  If 
your life was threatened by someone, as if to say it is either your life or 
theirs, would you really care how they died?  Or would you make the ultimate 
sacrifice for someone you don't even know?  There have been many instances in
other battles in different times where soldiers have difficulty killing someone
face to face, when they can see the expression on their counterparts face.  It
has a personal twinge to it.  However, if it were my life or theirs, I would 
take theirs.

	-David P. Worden
	-Former AFROTC Cadet and proud, patriotic American
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Xref: sparky alt.activism:17195 alt.individualism:5663 alt.pagan:10636 alt.politics.usa.constitution:526
From: liam@alehaus.uucp (liam)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,alt.pagan,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: Who's "free-er"? Intrnat'l response wanted!
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 15:58:47 CDT
Organization: The Alehaus, a Brewer's Witch affiliate, alehaus@brewich.hou.tx.us

wendt@CS.ColoState.EDU (alan l wendt) writes:
> 
> Did you hear about the human cannonball that applied for a job to the
> circus?  They told him they didn't have an opening for a man of his caliber.
> 

OOOOh ouch.....
                                Blessed Be,
                                         Liam

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d
From: qxlrnglx@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian D. Howard)
Subject: Re: You gotta know who your friends are
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:52:53 GMT

In <1992Sep29.155723.1@mdcbbs.com> ivler@mdcbbs.com (J.M. Ivler    ivler@mdcbbs.com) writes:

>Every once in a while Ross Perot says something worth listening to. In his big 
>Larry King interview on Monday Larry asked the same question three times before 
>Q: What about Clinton and the draft and Bush and Iran-Contra.

>A: What we have is a decision made by an 18 year old boy some time ago, which 
>shouldn't matter and the decisions made by a mature adult, a sitting 
>Vice-President, the man in charge of counter-terrorism, which is a quastion 
>that should be answered. But in neither instance is this important as an issue 
>in the election of the President.

>Now, this isn't verbatum, but it is my interpetation of what I heard. Mr. Perot
>may not be leaning to Clinton, but the above shows that he is no friend of 
>Georges.

How can you be so sure?
What *I* hear him saying is that decisions made by adults are more
relevant than those made by kids.  But he pointed out that neither of
those are important issues.  He brought up Bush only as an example.
I know lot's of people that think that George had a role in that
Iran/Contra thing that makes him a little hard to trust. I think
that's all that Ross Perot was getting at.

In other words, he's just saying they (we) should stick to relevant
issues.

--
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                  you're probably better off calling me Q like everyone else...

All of my mail goes to the same place, so go ahead and send it there...
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon Ethnocentrism
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:50:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Could you post your next essay in multiple parts? At least put more space
between paragraphs. That was a LONG essay. Nearly fell asleep despite the
subject. :(
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From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: How do I find the owner of a US company?
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:35:51 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se


How can one find out who is the major owner of a US company? Is there
a central register somewhere (online?) or is company registration 
handled by the different states? The company I'm interested in is 
called  Southern Air Transport.

Grateful for all suggestions!

Bernhard Helander
 

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From: emcelroy@igc.apc.org (Eugene McElroy)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: No Subject Line
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:35:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500393:000:35
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!emcelroy    Oct  2 11:35:00 1992


From: Eugene McElroy <emcelroy>
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:43:52 GMT


I had heard jokes about how it would be good if Iran and Iraq had fought long
enough, they would eventually wipe each other out, I didn't know how close
to the truth those jokes were.

Now, I can look up all sorts of info about this, but how do you separate the
facts from the BS?? Anything about the Middle Eaast is going to be confusing,
in a political sense.

Simon
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.clinton
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:51:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct2.153309.5990@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
> 
> We did not actively support the Soviet regime, at least in the
> pre-Yeltsin days.  This wasn't quite the same with Iraq.
> 
     You may change your opinion on our (the U.S.) relationship with
previous Soviet regimes after reading the three volumes of
_Western_Technology_and_Soviet_Economic_Development_ by
Antony C. Sutton.  Sutton claims that Western governments and 
firms have been responsible for the bulk of the technical "progress"
made in the Soviet Union from 1917 to 1970 (the books were written
in 1973) -- including the transfer of military technology against
the wishes of the Department of Defense.

     C. Perttunen
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:09:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a post here some a**hole writes:

"Even the loss of one American life is too many if we have the means 
to prevent that  life being lost" (Quote approximate).

Would this individual care to explain to us by what system of ethics
or values he places "AMerican" lives on some different plane than
those of other nationalities. Inquiring minds want to know. Strong
stomachs can expect to read the response without vomiting.
-Steve
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17105 alt.desert-storm:1865 alt.politics.clinton:8293
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:11:48 EDT

In article <1992Oct2.174628.18196@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> Bush wasn't even in office when alot of the US help went to Iraq.
> 
> I'm not saying it was a good thng, but think about what was going on
> during the 80's--Hussien or the Ayatollah(sp)--it would have been great
> to not deal with either one of them but it was the lesser of two evils
> 
> Simon
> 

Let's see, Bush became VP under Reagan in 1980 right? Lessee, the Iran-Iraq
war began in October 1980. Nope, Bush wasn't in office (and clearly didn't
know anything about it either :).

Republiclone slime. Eat shit and die.

-Garrett