HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zhhu@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous post!
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:36:45 GMT
Followup-To: (no precedent yet)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark

In article <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, who@guess.guess.forever.etc writes:
> Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
> originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
> 					            A.P.


Not actually anonymous. At least one knows that you are from U. Rochester.
Interesting though. 

So, it is possible to send anonymous e-mail, isn't it?
Share your light with us.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: More about toilet paper:-)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:54:49 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) */:
[ Research on toilet paper deleted ]

I wonder what lix's major is. Anybody knows?

The following is info I gather from scc: 

Eddie majors in bussiness 
tuya majors in poetry under the supervision of Lin Meimei of HP
Shi Cunde majors psychiatry
Scott majors in Maoism
Shannon majors in Chinese handwriting
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From: schen@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for a place to live in La Jolla, CA
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:30:05 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I am moving to La Jolla, CA in a few days and I want to look for a place to
live. If anyone has such information or wants a roommate, please contact me
at: 419-472-7867 or E-mail: SCHEN@UOFT02.BITNET. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:36:13
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
	<1992Aug22.004523.8822@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
	<1992Aug26.112604.3657@vax.muskingum.edu>
	<BtMHLu.Lpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: passion.think.com
In-reply-to: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:27:30 GMT


In article <BtMHLu.Lpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:

> but collectively we Chinese do have a mindset that do not respect
> individual rights very much. We all too frequently would expect
> an individual to sacrifice him/herself for the common good, and
> even more frequently we would set up some social norms and expect
> everyone to follow. We emphasize too much on individuals loving
> their group, their community, their native province or their
> "motherland".

  And the US very often goes too far to the opposite extreme,
encouraging everyone to "do what feels good", make a place for
themselves, even if it requires stepping on people, going against your
family's wishes, etc.

  It can be depressing or inspiring (such a contradiction), how each
culture's strength can also be such a weakness.

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From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

|>The point here is not the difference between provinces and colonies, it is
|>whether and People A can treat people B better than People A treat 
|>themselves.

The strange thing is that this IS true in China, minority students have
pariority when they apply for college, even though some minority groupes
(for example, man3 zu2, the ethnical groupe governed China from 
16 century to 1912) have no difference with the Han.

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: y8321@milton.u.washington.edu (Yih-Jin Young)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:17:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.041457.19683@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.220126.17633@u.washington.edu> y8321@milton.u.washington.edu (Yih-Jin Young) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug22.135529.1@cua.edu> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
>>>
>
>How do you balance the Pro-life and Pro-Choice issue??????? Don't it
>sound hypocritical something like a double-headed snake 8).
Simply make it netural.  Give everyone a right to choose.  Democracy is not
supposed to impose one's ideology or values on others.  For those who are 
pro-life,  never deprive them of their rights to protect the unborn babies.
The same principle should hold for those pro-Choicers.  The pro-Choicers
should be given their rights to do what they wish to, if we suppose that they
can make the wise decision as well as those pro-lifers.  Put it short, make
it an issue of individual choice instead of making regulations at the state
or federal level to restrict either party's choice.  Neither party should           
make decision for the other.  Simply leave the right with the individuals. 
                                                                           
>>(economy,  education, health, etc) on the one hand and to maintain social
>>(economy,  education, health, etc) on the one hand and to maintain social
>>equality on the other hand ( welfare systems, etc).  The new party's position
>>will be in the middle, not too liberal and not too conservative.  It could
>
>You mean being a moderate?  It is difficult to draw the line and
>says what is  "middle".
>
Human race has not been able to travel on an airplane for 99% of his history.
However, the absence of the technology in man's history does not deny the
possibility of the new invention.  Similarly, the lack of "middleness" or
Chung Yong philosophy has not indeed been practiced in American history does
not reflect its impossibility to be constructed into the new system.  Quote what
Mr. Bush said: "It does not fail (economic plan).  It has never been given an 
opportunity to practice.(he meant that the democratic congress blocked his plan)."
Remember that we are making the history.  The history could be an evolutionary
one or one which is intentionally pushed and created (the rise of communism,
for example).

Comments welcome.
Yih-Jin Young
y8321@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gburges@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Garry Burgess)
Subject: Looking for Yu Zheng in Australia
Summary: looking for a friend: Yu Zheng
Keywords: looking
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:50:18 GMT


Hi,

I'm trying to track down "Yu Zheng" in Canbera Australia.  He went there
last summer.  He might be at the University of Canberra.

If anyone has any information could they please let me know.

Garry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Re; Mao
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:19:17 GMT
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com

In article <2A9EE582.11377@orion.oac.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
=usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) wrote:
=+
=+
=+What a slave! He could not live without a master! Many slaves fought for  
=+freedom in the past, but this slave is begging for master!!
=+
=+Carl
=
=	Homeless dog's search for step-father is worse than a normal person's
=	"master" search, based on the assumption that your logic is logical.
=
=	shannon
=	-------
=

The problem of your dogs are they are always searching for a
step-father or a master. Why can't your dogs be free dog?
Why you need a master?
A homeless free dog is much much better than a slave dog. :-)

Those arguments above all base upon you guys' presumptions.

Cuz I would rather be a free man, then be a dog or even
worse be a slave dog.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:52:10 GMT

In article <BtMHLu.Lpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
|> >> In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> >>>
|> 
|> "Vote" is NOT the most important thing and should never be. The
|> important thing is the respect for individual's rights. Individuals,
|> even if they are ethnic, religious or political minorities who don't 
|> have much chance to win in a voting process, need to have their 
|> rights respected and protected.
|> 
|> Voting is just one of many ways individuals can get involved in
|> government, to express their consent to be governed. Tyrants like
|> CCP frequently use "voting" to give themselves legitimacy. We all
|> have gone through one or another kind of voting in China, but did
|> they mean anything? No.
|> 
|> It's bad enough that we have been governed by tyrants all along,
|> but collectively we Chinese do have a mindset that do not respect
|> individual rights very much. We all too frequently would expect
|> an individual to sacrifice him/herself for the common good, and
|> even more frequently we would set up some social norms and expect
|> everyone to follow. We emphasize too much on individuals loving
|> their group, their community, their native province or their
|> "motherland". Until we are more ready to respect individual rights
|> and accept individual choices, we are really not ready to govern
|> outselves.
|> 
|> How sad.
|> 
|> 
|>   yawei
|> 
|> 

You touched the sore spot of Chinese. Hopefully more and more people in scc 
can realize it, so in the next round of discussion we might see less scorching
heat which turns issues into personal attack.  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24011 soc.culture.hongkong:10180
From: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Chen Han Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Awards To Medalists, What A Waste!
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:39:40 GMT
	<1992Aug25.175158.1279@CS.ORST.EDU>
Organization: Inst. of Info. Sci. & Elec., Univ. of Tsukuba, Tsukuba City,
	Ibaraki, Japan


 >>  Hmm ... we probably need a slogan in China too.  
 >>  So how about "Medal for Money!"?

Before criticize the phenomena, please read articles in 
cm9208b.gb, cm9208c.gb about stock in Shanhai. Comparing 
to those get rich without doing anything but just have luck,
the atheletes have efforted many much.
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  ::    Email: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: What Should We Do To Help Shen Tong?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:16:36 GMT

In article <2SEP199216301944@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:

>The answer to your first question is that I do not believe Shen is
>guilty according to the moral standard we are standing on. However,
>according to the constitution of China, "counterrevolution propaganda"
>is a crime. But accordingto the law in the US, communist propaganda
>is not a crime. So, in pure legalistic term, Chinese government does
>have the authority to arrest Shen while American government can do
>to stop anyone for communist propaganda. (Please, this is based on
>purely legalistic term, not saying I agree with the arrest.)

You speak the reality of the world. Thank you. We do understand it
and respect it. But we are not satisfied with it.

>Shen's returning home happened just around the publishing of the 
>"State Council Document 44". It is very very embarrassing for the
>government. I believed that if Shen was just visit home quietly
>without any "counterrevolutionary activity", he probably would
>be all right. (This is just my GUESS.) That is why the government
>waited about a month and finally arrest him before the scheduled
>news conference. (according to the news sources in the US) The govern-
>ment could still well say that unless you still involved in 
>"counterrevolutionary activity", you will be safe and freely
>go back home and coming to the US. And I believe it will still be the
>case for most of the CSS.

I'd rather advice my fellow CSS waite for Shen Tong's case being
cleared up before start their massive returning to China. I think
it is very difficult to change a person's mind. I admire Hu2 Shi4.
Mao said: Hu Shi is welcome, but not Hu Shi's thought. So he didn't
return. I think Hu Shi was honest: without Hu Shi's thought, there
is no Hu Shi.

>Now the question is how we could help Shen. It is very tricky. 
>If the pressure is too hard, it may back fire and the hardliners
>may grasp it as a "Jiu4 Ming4 Dao4 Cao3". If we do not put any
>pressure, then we will be apathy and helpless. IFCSS just issued
>a statement I think was about right. Requesting Shen's safe return
>to the US would not be too much for the government. I guess that
>this would be the best solution. I personally do not have any
>better idea. If somebody in this group knows anybody in the CCP
>HQ, please tell them that by issuing an anouncment to "condemn"
>what Shen did while he was in China and "condone" him so he could
>coming back the US to continue his study would be a better solution
>to save face and effectively through the problem out.
>
>BTW, forgive me if you think I am stupid but can you explain to me
>what LYH stands for? Thank you very much.
>
>c.q.

This theory sounds more complicated to me. I fail to understand it
in detail.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:03:09 GMT

> xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun) writes:
> >(According to the today's standard) white male is more masculine 
> >(comparing with asian male) while the asian female is more feminine
> >(comparing with white female). 
> 
> >The above statement holds validly if one exchanges the words "male" 
> >with "female". You see, the reason is so simple.


No! You forgot to mention why very few Asian girls marry blacks. A lot  
of blacks are even more masculine.

My point is that many Asian girls are more pro-money than pro-masculine-men.

Carl
From: wlin@arrakis.csee.usf.edu (Wei Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Worthless Jap's Apology
Date: 24 Aug 92 13:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: wlin@arrakis.csee.usf.edu (Wei Lin)
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering


In article <9208152326.AA12774@nero.wustl.edu>, dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I thought this should be a least controversial subject.  But it seems 
|> some boy-scouts in scc don't understand this world well.  Here is
|> my 2 cents thoughts, maybe redundant, but is helpful to those boys
|> in understanding this world.
|> 
|> In this world a real man should not care whether or not a bully
|> has made a "sincere" "regret" or "apology" or whatever for the crime
|> he has committed.  A real man should care whether or not this bully
|> could get ANOTHER CHANCE to do it again.   There is no doubt that the  
|> bully would do a crime again if he got second chance, no matter how 
|> sincere his "regret" was/is.   There is simply no such thing as   
|> "sincere regret" from a bully.  Clear?
|> 
|> There is no doubt Japs* would invade China again IF they have another 
|> chance even if they had made a 10000000000000000000 times apologies!
|> The key is we should make our country stronger and don't let Japs
|> have a second chance. Whether or not Japs want to apology is up to
|> them, but in my view, it has little worth.
|> 

Japan's Apology is not  Worthless, but of significant importance, in order to
prevent ANOTHER CHANCE, and build a wonderful world. The strength of 
the country is one side, this is the other side.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca (Honglin Ye)
Subject: marriage insurance
Organization: Applied Mathematics, U.W.O
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:24:02 GMT
Summary: no summary
Keywords: marriage insurance


Any information about marriage insurance policy in China

is greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: [Info] Changing "Public-affair" Passport to "Private-affair" One
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:36:57 GMT

              * * *  C H I N A   N E W S   D I G E S T  * * *

                          (CND-Canada Special)

                         Monday, August 31, 1992

Table of Contents
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1. News about For-Business-Purpose Passport Changes ................ 14
2. What are needed for the Passport Change in General .............. 12

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1. News about For-Business-Purpose Passport Changes
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Date: Mon, 31 August 1992
>From: CND-Canada correspondence

    Toronto, Ontario -- Per article 03, File 44 of PRC State Council
(see People's Daily August 21, 1992),
PRC Consulate General in Toronto starts processing passport changes
for people holding  For-Business-Purpose passports changing to
For-Private-Purpose passports on August 28, 1992. A number of
Students as well as other professionals around Toronto areas have finished
the hand-in process. Due to the shortage of passport booklets, a great
number is expected to  arrive in batchs from China. So the waiting time
for the whole processing  (from the date hand-in to pick-up) is about two
months and subject to changes. There has been no such reports from other
areas in Canada.

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2. What are needed for the Passport Change in General
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Date: Mon, 31 August 1992
>From: CND-Canada correspondence

    Toronto, Ontario - To change the passport from For-Business-Purpose to
For-Private-Purpose, one is needed to provide the following documents in
general.

    1. A copy of your PR paper
    2. The For-Business-Purpose passport
    3. Two passport-size photos (no other kind in different size accepted)
    4. 12.00 Canadian dollars (cash for processing fee)

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Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hong@mbfys.kun.nl (Hong Zhou)
Subject: Looking for s.o. at Univ. of Texas
Organization: University of Nijmegen
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:24:37 GMT

Hi Everyone out Texas,

I am in search of the address/telephone number of a friend
whose name is Elsje Verhagen. She is a graduate student majoring
Education at Univ. of Texas. If you happen to know her address,
drop me a e-mail.

Thanks in advance,

Hong Zhou
Dept. of Medical Physics & Biophysicis             Muzenplaats 30
Univ. of Nijmegen                                  6525 JA Nijmegen
The Netherlands                                    The Netherlands
Tel: +31-80-614230                                 Tel: +31-80-556412
E-Mail: hong@mbfys.kun.nl, mbfys_nua@aznvx1.azn.nl

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chem8v@menudo.uh.edu (Xin Ma)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:40:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.154602.17299@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.143244.14110@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>>>
>>>  Top ten most fashionable words:
>>       ^^^
>>  How should one count?
>>
>>>  10.  you jerk
>>>   9.  you idiot
>>>   8.  you hypercrotic
>>>   7.  dogshit
>>>   6.  bullshit
>>>   5.  what-so-ever shit
>>>   4.  ass
>>>   3.  asshole
>>>   2.  f**k
>>>   
>>>
>>>   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
>>>  
>>>   you communist running dog!  
>>
>>   Which of these FOUR words is the NO.1 fashionable word?
>>
>>   You? Communist? Running? Dog?  :-)
>>
>>-ping
>>
>
>
>   Thanks for pointing my mistake out.  I did realize it right after I posted
>the list.  What happened is this *phrase* "communist running dog" was not in
>my original list of top 10 word ( it was 'ignorance' instead).  However,  after
>it popped up again in the news group, I felt it is so amusing that I am
>obliged to include it in my list.  Apology for the misuse of *word*, and hope 
>people in this group would understand my point.
>
>  Brian
>

These words are fashionable only in a small group of SCCs which may or may not 
include you. Please don't label the fashion of some individuals as SCC's.
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese consumers (1991?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:30:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Chinese Consumer yearly spending (1991?)

cities in China		per person/per year		on food
Guangzhou 		2,109.60 Yuans (US$383.56) 	Y1,473.97 ($267.99)
Shanghai		Y1,956.20 ($355.67)
Beijing			Y1,646.05 ($299.28)
Chongqing		Y1,569.62 ($285.38)
Shengyang		Y1,481.67 ($269.39)
Tianjing		Y1,440.47 ($261.90)
Wuhan			Y1,417.48 ($257.72)
Xian			Y1,338.56 ($243.37)		< Y736.98 ($133.99)
Harbin			Y1,254.00 ($228.00)		< Y736.98 ($133.99)
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		on clothes
Harbin		Y275.64 ($50.11)
Shanghai	Y192.94 ($35.08)