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Newsgroups: mn.traffic
Subject: moundst - UUCP Traffic Summary - Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:00:32
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:00:32 CST

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Totals            65322         220072       12:28       381
Newsgroups: mn.traffic
From: uucp@edgar.mn.org (edgar uucp)
Subject: edgar - Daily UUCP Traffic Report - Wed Oct 07 02:44:05 CDT 1992
Organization: Electronics 101. Apple Valley, MN
Distribution: mn
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 07:44:09 GMT

US Robotics V32bis

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Total        12542497   223.739   934.310       25990698   241.030  1797.199
 
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technix       3634624    33.177  1825.875              0     0.000     0.000
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saylor       23027021   322.238  1190.996              0     0.000     0.000
technix       7580473    91.985  1373.493              0     0.000     0.000
vware               0     0.000     0.000          22580     1.990   189.112
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Total        47935079   619.949  1288.684          27293     2.146   212.001
From: uucp@pwcs.stpaul.gov (UNIX to UNIX copy program)
Subject: pwcs -- UUCP Daily Traffic Report -- Fri Oct 9 23:45:14 CDT 1992
Organization: St. Paul Public Works Computer Services
Distribution: mn
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:45:33 GMT


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Dean R. Schrimpf	Temporary CAE Software Eng.  USENET & UUCP Admin.
ds11129@medtronic.com	Medtronic, Inc.              City of St.Paul PWCS
deans@pwcs.StPaul.GOV	Minneapolis, MN  55432       St. Paul, MN  55102
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Newsgroups: mn.traffic
From: uucp@uum1.mn.org (UUCP administrator)
Subject: uum1 - Daily UUCP Traffic Report - Mon Oct 12 23:35:01 CDT 1992
Organization: UNIX Users of MN
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:35:05 GMT


Remote   -----------K-Bytes----------- ----Hours---- --Avg CPS-- --Files--
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------   --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
kksys        551.4    5035.7    5587.2    0.2    0.9   839  1476  154  170
technix        0.0      66.6      66.6    0.0    0.0     0  1695    0   36

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                   Total files recv:           154
                   Total files sent:           206
                   Total files:                360
                   Total hours recv:             0.2
                   Total hours sent:             1.0
                   Total hours:                  1.1
                   Total K-bytes recv:         551
                   Total K-bytes sent:       5,102
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Newsgroups: mn.traffic
From: news@hawkmoon.mn.org (News Administration)
Subject: hawkmoon.mn.org - Daily UUCP Traffic Report - Tue Oct  6 07:30:01 CDT 1992
Organization: Demi-Public System (One of the Eternal Champions); Eagan, MN, 55123-2507, USA
Distribution: mn
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:30:08 GMT


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atc              4701     0.000     0.000              0     0.000     0.000
bargan         236756     4.000   986.483           2509     0.033  1254.500
crud             3812     0.050  1270.667              0     0.000     0.000
haapi               0     0.000     0.000           5729     0.117   818.429
mspboss       1898398    25.167  1257.217              0     0.000     0.000
nightowl     11939083   174.100  1142.933              0     0.000     0.000
pwcs            15135     0.050  5045.000       25836147   515.367   835.526
tbi             17093     1.167   244.186              0     0.000     0.000
tcnet           16516     0.133  2064.500          12274     0.317   646.000
------           ----   -------  --------          -----   -------  --------
Total        14131494   204.667  1150.773       25856659   515.833   835.433
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Usenet Administrator					news@hawkmoon.MN.ORG
Minnesota Field Hockey Association,  North Central Section
University of Minnesota Women's Lacrosse,  Midwest District
Newsgroups: mn.traffic
From: jrc@brainiac.mn.org (Jeffrey Comstock)
Subject: brainiac Usenet Traffic - Fri Oct 16 00:03:35 CDT 1992
Organization: Advanced Kernel Research Geeks
Distribution: mn
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 05:03:45 GMT

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TOTALS        	 24643	     6	   187	  49240	   100%	     0%

Total Articles processed 24649 (6 duplicates)

Netnews Categories Received
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alt    7000
comp   6352
soc    2769
talk   1456
sci    1176
misc   1115
news   185
gnu    165
ncar   113
vmsnet 67
biz    45
bit    23
ampr   12
mn     11
bionet 7
ba     6
chi    4
or     4
su     2
k12    2
wi     1
eunet  1

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news.test                             1
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tcman.tcpinfo                         6
From: news@rosevax.Rosemount.com
Subject: rosevax UseNet Traffic Mon Oct 12 08: 10:03 CDT 1992
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: mn
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:10:07 GMT


Subject: rosevax UseNet Traffic Mon Oct 12 08:10:03 CDT 1992

System      	Accept	Reject	Junked	Xmit to	 %total	%reject
atc           	     0	     0	     0	      3	     2%	     0%
bunsen        	     1	     0	     0	      0	     2%	     0%
camax01       	     0	     0	     0	     15	     2%	     0%
check         	     0	     0	     0	      1	     2%	     0%
com50         	     0	     0	     0	      4	     2%	     0%
fieldday      	     0	     0	     0	     15	     2%	     0%
incstar       	     0	     0	     0	      3	     2%	     0%
medtron       	     6	     0	     0	     23	    16%	     0%
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medtron-local 	     0	     0	     0	      2	     2%	     0%
minnow        	     0	     0	     0	     23	     2%	     0%
pwcs          	    20	     2	     0	      2	    59%	     9%
rosevax       	     8	     0	     0	      0	    21%	     0%
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TOTALS        	    35	     2	     0	     98	   100%	     5%

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Netnews Categories Received

Unsubscribed Newsgroups Received
ctdl.lang.c   1
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From: moundst uucp sub-system <uucp@moundst.moundst.mn.org>
Newsgroups: mn.traffic
Subject: moundst - UUCP Traffic Summary - Wed,  7 Oct 1992 03:49:16
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 03:49:16 CST

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From: gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (gary preckshot)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: D. Gingery Books
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:40:27 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Oct10.051943.21865@news.iastate.edu>, schrader@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Dave Schrader) writes:
> 
> I guess this falls under the dumb beginner catatory, so rail on me if you must, but... I just got
> done reading some books by a David Gingery on how to build your own lathe etc from scrap and was
> wondering if any of you more seasoned veterans out there may have seen or heard of these books.
> Are they credible or the ravings of a lunitic ?
>                                         Dave Schrader
> 
> 

I haven't heard of them, but the idea of building a lathe from scrap sounds
time-consuming, frustrating, and inaacurate.  It's sort of a truism that
any machinist can achieve acceptable results with modern, highly accurate
equipment, while it takes a real machinist to get good work out of an
old, loose machine.  By these lights, you'd have to be machinery's superman
to get good work out of a lathe built from scrap.

Suggest you read some history about the way they used to get accurate machines
by scraping the ways, comparing to a standard, scraping the ways, comparing
to .......  Nowadays, they have laser theodolites and humongous machines to
build the little ones we work with.

G.
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
From: pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jordan B Pollack)
Subject: Re: "Home Shop Machinist"
Originator: pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu
Reply-To: pollack@cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:24:45 GMT

I bought a few HSM's at a good bookstore, and found the
slow revelation of the projects annoying. 

Has anyone seen "Projects in metal"? From the discription
it sounds like maybe the same articles as in HSM, only arranged 
in single issues...

-- 
Jordan Pollack                            Assistant Professor
CIS Dept/OSU                              Laboratory for AI Research
2036 Neil Ave                             Email: pollack@cis.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, OH 43210                        Phone: (614)292-4890 (then * to fax)
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: "Home Shop Machinist"
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:40:21 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

Jordan Pollack asks about Projects In Metal (PIM) versus Home Shop
Machinist (HSM).  Yes, when HSM comes out every other month, and they
publish 5-part projects, it *can* get annoying!

I've not seen much of PIM yet, but I see no overlap of projects between
the two.  That is, the same projects are not presented in both magazines.
PIM is nice because there is no advertising, and it is nominally scheduled
to arrive in between HSM issues.  So, subscribe to both, and you get one
or the other each month.  I haven't seen multi-part projects in PIM but
my memory or experience may be lacking.

Jim Kirkpatrick
jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu

still trying to get the RFD for rec.metalworking posted to the right groups!
From: jonesm@nic.cerf.net (Matthew Jones)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: "Home Shop Machinist"
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:27:35 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

In article <1992Oct8.204220.8031@ac.dal.ca> magnet@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I'm not sure that a group with a traffic level as low as this one can truly
>be said to have _any_ FAQs, but when we do, this will be a contender...
>
>My local newsstand doesn't know "Home Shop Machinist", but seemed interested;
>does anyone have publisher's address, etc., handy?
>
>Thanks for your reply,
>Stephen Ritcey.
> 

The Home Shop Machinest
Box 1810
Traverse City, Mi 49685
USA
Telephone (800)447-7367

The publisher's of HSM also publish Live Steam and Projects in Metal.

Matthew Jones 		"Master SwarfSmith"
jonesm@cerf.net
From: jonesm@nic.cerf.net (Matthew Jones)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: "Home Shop Machinist"
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:21:09 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

I have subscribed to HSM (not currently) and have many back issues of
Live Steam (as well as Modeltech) and have seen a few Projects in Metal.

While I find HSM annoying sometimes, the serialization into 6 issues
doesn't bother me. You should consider that on the other side of the
Atlantic Model Engineer and Engineering in Miniature take years to complete
alot of their projects. What I don't like about HSM is that they don't run
very many projects. I would agree that having the one magazine and
combining everything together would be better. 

The charter for each of these magazines goes something like this:
Live Steam - Steam Engines, railroad, stationary and boats. Mostly
	     railroad. Some techniques. Always atleast one trains
	     project and usually another steam project. Toooooo
	     much club news and pictures of guys stting one trains
	     for me.
HSM	   - No steam. Engines are usually internal combustion. Not
	     enough projects for me so I let my subscription lapse.
	     I will restart it when Philip Duclos' Hit 'n' Miss engine
	     starts. In my opinion this is the best of the magazines.
Project in Metal - All projects each to be complete in one issue. Some
	     steams engines. I am building the "Finger Treadle" about
	     2/3 done. As said no advertising. Most of their projects
	     are tooling and jigs. I would like to know it anyone 
	     subscribes to PIM and would tell me it they have any 
	     other cute little toy projects.
	     My experience would be that PIM projects are not of the caliber
	     of HSM.

I have most the back issues of Modeltech up to about 1.5 years ago.
The magazine suffered a few years back when Elmer Verberg Died. The
tendency is to concentrate on trains now and emphasize club news and
meets. If you are looking for gasoline engines your should try Strictly IC.

Matthew Jones
jonesm@cerf.net
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: "crafts"
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:48:21 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

Now that the RFD is official for rec.crafts.metalworking, I have posted
the following to news.groups to try to change the name to rec.metalworking.
I was pretty much forced to add "crafts", but I think if consensus demands
removal of "crafts", we can get away with it.  Please feel free to post
your comments on this or any other aspect of the RFD to news.groups.

Jim
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I would like to propose a change of name for the proposed newsgroup
rec.crafts.metalworking, to simply rec.metalworking.  Apparently,
UseNet is attempting to place more structure on the hierarchy, so that
instead of rec.*, you have rec.group.*.  I question whether this
is necessary, and/or whether implementation demands that existing
groups be forcefully changed to meet the new guidelines rather than
all being grandfathered.

1.  I note that, at least on our system, there are 3 "crafts" groups
    and 306 non-crafts groups.  Not an overwhelming response to the
    new rules.  On the other hand, the rules are relatively new.

2.  Symmetry with the strongly-related group rec.woodworking.  Unless of
    course they decide to change to rec.crafts.woodworking.  Perhaps
    they get to be grandfathered, being an old group?

3.  The existing group is trial.rec.metalworking, not
    trial.rec.crafts.metalworking.  All we want to really do is dump
    the "trial."  It has been pointed out, though, that the rules
    have changed since the trial group was formed, hence "crafts."

4.  In e-mail, some have complained to me that "crafts" is a demeaning
    add-on, implying the group is for discussion of things like how to
    weld five beer cans together into the shape of a schnauzer, and the
    like.  Metalworking is considered (by those I have corresponded with)
    a technical art, a profession, and/or a high skill.  Handwork is
    craft, machine work is not.

As a more general point, I wonder if the further pigeon-holing of
newsgroups is like the US' failed attempt to go metric.  Nobody seemed
to want it, and nobody was forced to convert, so it failed.  Likewise,
if older groups are not "forced" into the new scheme, their sheer number
will likely cause the new naming to fail, because there are more exceptions
than proper names, and in the end nobody will care.  Susan B Anthony dollars
also come to mind.  Why give us something we don't want?

More specific to metalworking, it is my impression that if the discussion
comes to a consensus that "crafts" be dropped, we might get away with it
(even though it is contrary to current guidelines).

So please voice your opinions/concerns, and correct me if any of my
impressions/facts are hosed up.

Jim Kirkpatrick
jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Cushman chuck disassembly
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:11:16 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

A second question about the pipe threader I am trying to bring back to life.

The chuck is a rather nice-looking 3-jaw lathe-type scroll chuck.  However,
it has never seen much maintenance, and was a real pain just to get the
jaws to come out.  I'd like to disassemble it completely to clean/grease
it, but can't figure out how.  The main body is sort of cup-shaped, and
the back consists of a plate that appears pressed in.  There is a kind of
serial number (130) stamped on the main body and the back plate, right
next to each other, implying disassembly should be possible and that these
are used for alignment and identification.  There are also 3 pins, about
1/4 inch or so diameter, that go into the plate; these may be alignment
and shear strength pins, or perhaps they only support the scroll.

The problem is there is no obvious way to grab the plate to separate it from
the main body, or to get at it from the front or sides.  I think a
custom-built collet could be made to grab it's share of the central hole
but that seems too much work.  Three of the through-holes go mostly through
the back plate and I'm contemplating using expanding masonry-type lead
anchors to try to grip the plate, then hammer on the anchors from
the front.  Maybe after cooling the plate with dry ice!

It's a Cushman chuck, and probably dates back to around 1940 or maybe even 1950.

Any ideas would be welcome!  I suppose the alternative would be to just
soak it in oil and drain it.

Jim Kirkpatrick    jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu

P.S.  If you've never smelled 50-year-old gear oil, it's a stink that rivals
a skunk.  Phew!
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: RFD: progress report
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:29:01 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

In article <138741@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (gary preckshot) writes:
> 
> Whatever happened to the idea of symmetry?  Will rec.woodworking become
> rec.crafts.woodworking?

Good questions, which I hope to bring up when the RFD comes up for actual
discussion.  I gather that the "new" hierarchy may be compared to the
conversion in the US from English to Metric, where the only way to have
made it work would be forced conversion, rather than voluntary "trickle"
conversion.  Susan B Anthony also comes to mind.

Note that these are very broad questions that have nothing to do with
creating a new newsgroup.  Rather, they address the overall structure of
UseNet, and should not be allowed to distract from the creation process.

BTW, I agree with symmetry, noting that there are 3 "crafts" groups
and 306 non-crafts groups.

Jim Kirkpatrick
jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu
From: gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (gary preckshot)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: RFD: progress report
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:09:59 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Oct12.112734.257@news.uwyo.edu>, jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu writes:
> 
> Well, I'm getting closer to creating rec.metalworking, but a small bit of
> "bad" news:  current Usenet policy suggests rec.crafts.metalworking
> instead of rec.metalworking.

Whatever happened to the idea of symmetry?  Will rec.woodworking become
rec.crafts.woodworking?
From: jimkirk@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: RFD: progress report
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:27:34 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

Well, I'm getting closer to creating rec.metalworking, but a small bit of
"bad" news:  current Usenet policy suggests rec.crafts.metalworking
instead of rec.metalworking.  Just wanted to warn everybody.  Hopefully
I'll get an official RFD posted to news.announce.newgroups by tomorrow,
and then a discussion of the RFD will follow on news.groups which is where
opinions on the name should be expressed (*after* the RFD appears, of course!).

Jim Kirkpatrick     jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking