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From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Bob Lydecker
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:06:08 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Does anyone know if Bob Lydecker was actually BOB? I know that he was in 
a coma, and the receptionist of his Veternarian Clinic said he wasn't the 
gray haired man, but is it safe to say he was not BOB or someone under 
BOBs control, after all, the One Armed Man said "He was my best friend". 
And also, when questioned, the OAM says that on his arm (Episode 1004) 
was written "Mom", but did he actually say "Mom" or did he say "Bob" 
referring to a homosexual link between him and BOB or Bob Lydecker. 

note: Rumor has it that BOOTLEG copies of FWWM are being distributed 
across the US. More info on where and when as it comes.

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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Gesar: Tibetan Arthur (was Glastonbury)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:48:01 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu's message of 29 Sep 92 20:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.132907.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

   Here comes a Tibetan tie-in again. Their epic hero, Gesar of Ling, is
   commonly believed to be *sleeping* until his people have great need of
   him again, at which time he will arise and lead a great army that will
   defeat the world-wide enemy, just like King Arthur of Great Britian.

This is a fairly common element of mythology and folklore.  A great
figure who achieves mythological status after his death, often
acquires a legend that he is not really dead, but only sleeping until
his country's (or whatever) hour of need.  In addition to Arthur and
Gesar, there's Barbarrosa, for example.  And the sightings of Elvis
(and JFK) (and the rumors that Jim Morrison faked his death) are in
this pattern, too.  It seems to be an archetype to not believe in the
death of powerful personalities.

-30-
Bob
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: donh@microsoft.com (Don Hacherl)
Subject: Re: Location filming of FWWM
Date: 01 Oct 92 02:23:33 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep23.173501.11059@meaddata.com> markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson) writes:
>
>I've seen some stories/postings that claimed Mt. Si High School was
>used for TPHS.  At least with respect to the movie, however, I don't
>see how the two could possibly be the same.

Mt Si HS was used in the series, but was in the process of being
remodelled when the movie was filmed, so another school (sorry, don't
remember which one) was used.

Don from North Bend

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon)
Subject: Dr. Jacoby and Owls
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:54:50 GMT

The following statements do not necessarily reflect those of the
poster or the company the posting is from; and only definitely
represent the thoughts and feelings of Summer Storm.

From: Summer Storm

George: re: night Jacoby follows the red corvette.

I thought that when Jacoby hears someone talking, he hears Donna
and James. That's when he picks up the necklace they buried.

Jacoby follows the red corvette-ie. Leo.
Jacoby loses the corvette.
Cooper & Truman follow Joey and Donna on the motorcycle.
Cooper & Truman lose Joey and Donna.
Joey takes Donna to James.
Donna gets on James' motorcycle.
Donna & James talk in the woods and decide to hide the necklace   
   so that James is not implicated in Laura's death.
Jacoby overhears them and picks up the necklace.(He's the gloved  
   hand we see in the episode, and which Sarah sees in a vision.  
   James, in a later episode finds the necklace in Jacoby's       
   coconut.)
James & Donna leave, and Coop & Truman stop them.

At least that's what I thought happened. Am I totally out to lunch?
A distinct possibility, considering how much time we all spend
discussing this piece of fiction.....

I just don't think Leo would have continued an illegal transaction
if he didn't know the identity of who was behind him.

OWL NEWS: from Associated Press 

     Town's 2 residents move out

Hoot Owl, Okla.--Hoot Owwl is for the birds again now that the only
two human residents of Oklahoma's smallest town are packing their
bags and moving to the city.
     William Bradley and his son, Robert, have to leave because the
bank foreclosed on their 36-acre farm which comprised the entire
northeastern Oklahoma town.
     The Bradleys will move to nearby Salina after an auction to
sell their possessions.
      The elder Bradley incorporated Hoot Owl in 1977, before a
state law required new towns to have at least 25 registered voters.
The town got its name Bradley said, because it had more owls than
people.
     Bradley, 66, says his concern now is finding a home for the
town's mascot-a stuffed gray horn owl.

***How about along side a stuffed white fox in the Great Northern?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: Creative Artists...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:02:24 GMT


Hey! If anyone does get the nerve to call up Creative Artists and try
to talk or leave a message for David Lynch, why don't you invite him
to join or observe this news group and maybe comment?
That would be pretty neat, dontcha think???

And does anyone know how to get -hold- of Kyle ? (heh heh heh ;)

On to a more discussable topic..
I was re-watching last night the episode where Josie finally bites it
and had forgotton what had happened! My sis and I rewound it a few
times to try to catch exactly what BOB says when Coop sees him crawl
on the bed where Harry is cradleing Josie...The only thing we could
come up with was:
"WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSIE?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Why does he say that?
And what does it mean when the dwarf dances on the bed? Dancing on her
grave? Her soul? And what about when we see her face in the wood. I
know this has been tossed around a little, but I don't remember what
was decided...Is her soul in the wood? And why? How did Josie end up
being so important??? Was she possesed?
*whew*
Answers anyone?

Susan

**********************************************************************
   - "I didn't know that God was a Republican, and that all the 
      angels only had right wings..."
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: 12 CANDLES IN DREAM
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:17:58 GMT

   Remember, there were 12 Candles in agent coopers dream.  There are also
12 animals in the Chinese Calendar system.  2 of these the Year of the Dog and
the Year of the Monkey were included in FWWM.
From: miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: WiseGuy vs TP
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:58:22 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Oct4.120605.20818@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, eitan@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Shternbaum Eitan) writes:
> 
> I remember several episodes in WiseGuy that occured in a small town in the
> north of the U.S. in those episodes agent taranova arrives to a wierd
> town to investigate murder cases.
> 
> do you think david lynch got his inspiration from those episodes ?
> 
> 
> Eitan Shterenbaum


No I don't think so; if I remember correctly, Taranova was investigating
serial killings of young girls, who died by repeat electrocultion shocks
by a cattle prod.  There just seem to be enough a connection.

Just my two cents worth anyway....


Morgana
************************************************************************
I guess you could say that about most things in life. 
It's not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind
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From: craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell)
Subject: ...and now it's dark
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:16:17 GMT

Question: In how many of David Lynch's films/TV productions etc has the quote
"and now it's dark" occured ?? I've heard in in Twin Peaks (in one of Julie 
Cruise's songs) and Blue Velvet (Dennis Hopper says in the first scene in which 
he appears, I think). I seem to recall hearing it in Erasurehead but I'm not
sure. Feel's a bit like Hitchcock spotting :-)

Has Lynch ever mentioned his apparent fascination of darkness ??
From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: Re: That GAP commercial
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:15:57 GMT

ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:
>Is it just me, or does the model in the GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")
>look *a lot* like Madchen Amick?

There's a really good reason for the resemblance.

It's her.

--
Brett J. Vickers		 "Don't go around saying the world owes you
bvickers@ics.uci.edu		 a living.  The world owes you nothing.
				 It was here first."  - Mark Twain
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: sorry, what is the name of the ftp site?
From: george@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (George Ma)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:50:42 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: ftp

Sorry, but I just missed the message which had the ftp address
of the twin peaks stuff... our generous site holds alt group
messages for only 24 hours so I only managed to see the header
of the message.

Thanks in advance.
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Moby
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

BTW, has anyone checked out the new Moby CD?  Track #7, "Go," sounds verrryy  familiar!!
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: bob dreams?
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:52:57 GMT

In article <92272.114918JM1678A@auvm.american.edu>, Jill Mc Fadden
<JM1678A@auvm.american.edu> wrote:
> 
> can anyone tell me if there are two bobs one evil and one good? While the
> evil bob possesses leland for example is the good bob trapped in the black
> lodge like sp. agent cooper is at the end of the series? i ask this because
> i had a dream in which bob and i were friends.  he seemed to be good in this
> dream, but things are not what they seem.  i'm waiting to have another dream
> to see if bob remains good.

BOB does not appear to be split.  In any case, based on what Leland said, I
wouldn't 'invite Bob in'. Here is a quotation from the Timeline from his
death scene.

"Leland: Oh God!  Laura!  I killed her.  Oh my God, I killed my daughter.
	I didn't know.  Forgive me.  Oh God.  I was just a boy.  I saw him
	in my dream.  He said he wanted to play.  He opened me and I
	invited him and he came inside me.
      Cooper: He went inside.
      Leland: When he was inside, I didn't know.  When he was gone, I
	couldn't remember.  He made me do things.  Terrible things.  He said
	he wanted lives.  He wanted others, others that they could use, like
	they used me."

If he gives you a hard time, tell him to talk to Mike about becoming good
(also from the Timeline):

"I too have been touched by the devilish one; tattoo on the left shoulder.
Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was changed. I took the entire arm
off. My name is Mike. His name is BOB."

-Rich
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Picket Fences (New TV Show)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:38:22 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com's message of 28 Sep 92 12:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.083614.438@cho006.cho.ge.com> campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:

     I'm surprised I have not seen any postings about Picket Fences.  This is 
   another Twin Peaks rip-off which is being touted as the "best show of the new 
   season."    

     The show is pleasantly quirky.  The advertisement boasts, "Picket Fences; 
   the only thing predictable is the traffic light."  There is an irate medical
   examiner and a dwarf dispatcher at the police station.

The dwarf dispatcher might also be a reference to ``Police Squad'',
which had some episodes with giant and dwarf police officers.  (In
fact, I've often wondered if Lynch didn't nick some of his TP effects
from the ZAZ crowd.  _Top Secret_ had a scene in which the hero and
heroine go looking for help from a Swedish book dealer.  The
``Swedish'' is English read backwards (ala Lodge Speak) and is
subtitled.  Hmm...

-30-
Bob
From: kwest@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Kenneth C West)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: wheeler/jeffries
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:28:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I don't recall who or when, but someone, in a longer post, 
mentioned quite briefly a connection between John Justice Wheeler and
Phillip Jeffries. They didn't elaborate. This is  my first chance to
ask anybody out there if they know of anything about this, or was he 
hallucinating? (Or was I hallucinating?)

						_jeff
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: David Lynch's comment
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:48:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <14740058@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:
>> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(

>YAAAAYYYY!!

Care to elaborate?  Or is this just random Lynch-bashing?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon)
Subject: TP is everywhere!
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:39:27 GMT

From: Summer Storm

Re: Doc Hayward in the final scene of TP.

If I remember correctly, over the summer, someone said that the 
script says that Doc Hayward knocks Ben unconscious when he 
bashes his head into the fireplace.

Re: GAP
James Marshall is also in a GAP commercial.

Re: Picket Fences
Did you catch the LMFAP riding into Rome on the elephant? 
Following an episode where every victim's hand gets cut off, 
I think they are trying to get that fringe element viewer w/out
alienating main stream viewers the way TP did.

Re: Eric Da Re
Was that Eric Da Re as an extra in Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

Lastly: I heard a song from TP, the series, played in a "romantic" 
scene on General Hospital last week. It was very bizarre; I thought 
I was having an aural hallucination.
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Picket Fences (New TV Show)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep28.083614.438@cho006.cho.ge.com>, campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
> 
>   I'm surprised I have not seen any postings about Picket Fences.  This is 
> another Twin Peaks rip-off which is being touted as the "best show of the new 
> season."    

(premise details deleted)

> 
>   OK, so I'm angry.  First Northern Exposure, now this.  Lynch's legacy lives 
> on network TV, but I miss the quality and suspense of Twin Peaks.
> 
> Doug

Well, I'm in not position to discuss _Picket Fences_, since I've never seen it,
but I have to defend _Northern Exposure_ which I have a hard time thinking of
as a _TP_ ripoff, since I believe it first aired either during the season when
_TP_ debuted or shortly thereafter (meaning it had to be in development well
before _TP_'s debut)

Holly
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Gesar: Tibetan Arthur (was Glastonbury)
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep21.105917.7654@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In article <RJRcRB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
>> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>> 
>>>  
>>> Glastonbury is a small town in Somerset England. It is believed to be the 
>>> site of Britain's first Christian community. Some tidbits about 
>>> Glastonbury gleaned from the many tales of King Arthur:
>>>  

> Actually, it is equated in some legends with Avalon. According to the legends,
> Aurthur isn't dead, but waiting until england is in its moment of greatest 
> need...
> 
> 
> All this stuff leads me to believe that maybe people are being nabbed so that
> the will serve humanity in its hour of greatest need. Maybe Aurthur, and 
(stuff deleted)
> 
> Mike

Here comes a Tibetan tie-in again. Their epic hero, Gesar of Ling, is
commonly believed to be *sleeping* until his people have great need of
him again, at which time he will arise and lead a great army that will
defeat the world-wide enemy, just like King Arthur of Great Britian.

As I noted in a previous post, I see an Arthurian motif in the fact
that both Teresa Banks and Laura Palmer were floated down the river.
This relates to Elaine the Lily Maid, who was hopelessly in love with
Launcelot (hope I'm correct there), and killed herself because he only
had eyes for Queen Guinevere. In TP and FWWM, both victems were killed
on land, presumably far from a river (wooded upland), so had to be
wrapped in plastic, transported however far it was, and then set afloat
on the river -- great shot of Teresa floating down the Wind River in
FWWM -- so the action obviously did not follow logically, but had to be
included because of its symbolism or mythic motif value. Make sense?

Question about David Lynch -- does anybody know his birth data? He most
generously gave us birth dates for the main characters in TP, but I
would love to see his own chart.

Lou
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: other place
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:05:23 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Maybe the place where all the lodge denizens come from is the human soul.  Perhaps they need fear and suffering (fuel) to possess (go to) the human soul.  The only reason Laura was not possessed by Bob is that she wasn't afraid of him.  Perhaps the waiting room is simply a place to wait until a soul becomes filled with fear and suffering so that it may be possessed.  That may explain why all these otherworlders are wandering around Twin Peaks, most of the population is good and friendly, thus creating a sh


o
. . . thus creating a shortage of souls to inhabit.  
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: Re: Little Things
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:49:58 GMT

In article <ab16b0a1@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard) writes:
>Original to: Blojo@Xcf.Berkeley.Edu
[stuff deleted]
>BL>  * Why Donna burst into tears when sitting at a certain booth in the
>BL>    Roadhouse.
>Wouldn't have the foggiest, except that maybe that was their special
>seat in the Roadhouse.

The way I see it, when the Log Lady said "The owls are in the Roadhouse," I
took owls as referring to psychic sensitives, in this case, Donna and Bobby.
I know there's no evidence to support any psychicness on their part, but
while Maddy was being killed, and the Giant was saying "It is happening again."
Donna started crying b/c she felt Maddy's death and Bobby was looking around
like he knew something was up.  Senor Droolcup was also there, and I think he
told Coop "I'm so sorry."  Obviously he knew what was happening.

Anyway, that's my theory.
--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)     "I'll see you in the trees..."
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: BOB Roberts and Leland Palmer
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:34:05 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: ncc1701a@isl.Stanford.EDU's message of 27 Sep 92 19:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.190540.16845@EE.Stanford.EDU> ncc1701a@isl.Stanford.EDU (ncc1701a) writes:

       After finally seeing "Bob Roberts" in the theaters this weekend, did 
   anybody else notice the subtle TP reference of Ray "Leland" Wise being
   BOB Roberts campaign manager and spokesman?

I saw it with a friend and said: ``Does this mean Ray Wise is
type-cast as always supporting BOB?''

						 That movie was one of the
   most eeriest I have seen in a long while and every time Wise cracked his
   "knowing smile", I got chills down my neck.

A wonderful film.  If it hadn't been for the black comedy, it would
have been unendurable, it cut so close to the idiocies of electoral
politics.

      And remember - VOTE this November!  Its the greatest power in the world.

Here, here!  Don't complain come January, 1993, if you don't vote in
November.

-30-
Bob
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From: kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays)
Subject: LMFAP and Mike
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 19:52:22 EDT

,
I've found something in the FWWM script that I don't think (but I've 
missed a few messages, so I could be wrong) has been discussed here.  If 
it indeed has not, I'm surprised that no one discovered this earlier.  
It's a very important piece of information, and will confirm the theories 
of many people.

In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:

"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
formica table."

The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
if they were exactly the same entities.  Seems strange, since MFAP is 
supposed to be Mike's ARM, not Mike.  Unless... maybe MFAP is Phillip 
Gerard's arm, and is also Mike.  This changes things quite a bit from the 
way it was presented in the series, but it's meaning can't be mistaken 
when I'm sitting here staring at it in the script!
 
Ken Bays

Don't E-mail me; post to the group any replies.  We can't receive mail.

..
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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Subject: TWIN PEAKS Alumnus Appearing On PICKET FENCES
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:07:03 GMT

This week's episode will feature the guy who portrayed the Man From 
Another Place (i.e: the midget) as a relatively normal character who has 
a thing for the female deputy.  Finally, we'll be able to hear what his 
voice sounds like normally.


                                        - Sasha

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From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:41:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Picket Fences (New TV Show)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA