HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xia@slab.unt.edu (Hong Xia)
Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:15:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.203323.5604@ncsu.edu> shchen@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
>Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:33:23 GMT
>
>In article <Bu8zJE.1Ln@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>|>
>|>Since Chinese loves to be an American, why don't you make
>|>China as part of America, then everyone in China automately
>|>skip H-1, F-1, B-1, green card... steps and become American 
>|>citizen.   :-)
>|>
>
>You seemed to be confused with Chinese's love for living a good 
>life with their love to be an American.  Chinese don't really give
>a shit about becoming an American citizen.
>  
>|>No more jumpping of ships, jumpping of airplanes or smugglling
>|>in through US borders. Let everyone has same chance to taste
>|>the 'evil' of Capitalism.  ;-)
>|>
>
>It's high time to reclaim the some of the wealth that has been robbed 
>from China in the past.
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From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:42:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <ld1e3eINNp5v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>(deleted)
>Please provide more information what kind of children need help?`
>What kind of help needed?

Thanks for your interest, thanks also for your promise. It took me a while to
find its constitution and bylaw. I'll send them to you by email, since it is
long and few netters would bother to read it, I guess. I'll only cite a few
official language and speak for my own.

======================================================
Constitution

Article I:     Name

     The name of this organization shall be SOS China Education,...

Article II:     Objectives

     The objectives of the Fund shall be to raise money from any available 
sources to promote the education in China, especially to help rural students, 
teachers and schools for better education.

======================================================

Well, we have many bright young kids in rural and mountaineous areas. They are
very smart, but their families can't afford to pay their school. I once visited
a free market in Anhui province, a kid of about 8 was selling his eggs (not exactly
his though), a few Shanghai ladies working in a nearby factory were buying
his eggs. Shanghai ladies are usually very smart, so they calculated the
cost by Jing, Liang and Qian. Every lady told the boy a result, but the boy
simply said: that was wrong, and told the lady what should be correct.
The Shanghai ladies were all surprised by the boy's fast and correct calculation,
and so did I. It was a pity that such a boy had to spend time in selling eggs.
He should stay in school. Fortunately this boy has now got his PhD in somewhere
around Great Lakes, but not as luck as him, many bright boys and girls have to
drop from school and waste their talents in field and market. The Fund was to help
such kids to pay tuition and living stipend, you know, a few bucks may help
them a lot, and their lives may be totally changed. The Fund, as my understanding,
will track the money and the transcripts of these kids and report to donators.

The Fund has an american lawyer, also a volunteer. I found him on net:-)
That is the only thing I helped so far:-) I did not do many thing helpful
in my life, so I can't help boasting:-) Of course, another thing is my
lecture on FuLing ZaCai, please not dissappoint me Steve.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Learn from Lei Feng (Was Re: Oct 1, Our National Day)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:10:17 GMT

>> Yea, he [Mao] instructed people to learn from Lei Feng, but people still
>> blame him for the decay of spirit.  I wonder what the world would be if
>> every one is like Lei Feng.
>
>    Not sure how the world will be, but you are probably in jail and be
>tortured.
>
>    Don't forget (or maybe you don't know :-) the another side of Lei Feng:
>
>    "Treat CCP's enemy as cold-blooded as the coldest wind in winter."
......

Chairman Mao had called people to learn and do all kinds of good things.
I was wondering what had he done to the people and country. "Serve the
people with all your heart and soul." is a very good slogan, but this
slogan and Lei Feng are just two means to cheat the hearts and souls
of millions of chinese. A leader is somebody who goes in front.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: Dui Lian
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:28 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:56:00 GMT

          PL asks about dui4 lian2 in wu3 hou2 ci2.  Aside from the
          one that guy mentioned, here is another that left me pretty
          good impression:

          Liang3 biao3 chou2 san3 gu4
          yi2 dui4 zu2 qian1 qiu1

          Translation (without melicious revisions by lix):

              Zhu1ge3's two "chu1 shi2 biao3" returned the favor by
          Liu2 bei4 visiting his hut for three times;

              And the "long2 zhong1 dui4" in which Zhu predicted
          the 3 kingdoms can be written in history.

          Tu Ya
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:49:28 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.144332.103@en.ecn.purdue.edu>,
chenwei@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chenwei Yan) writes:

|> Chinese people can only depend on themselves to make the country better and
|> stronger. On the other hand, we should learn from the other countries
for good
|> expertise and good experiences for one reason: becoming the strongest nation
|> in the world and crush all the opponents!
                                  ^^^^^^^^^
I did not want to be picky here, but I am going to do it anyway.
Who are the opponents that you want to crush?
I hope you did not really mean it.

To be an independent and prosperous and most importantly democratic (== free)
country, there is no need to sacrifice the benifit of other people.

|> 
|> 21st CENTURY WILL BE THE CENTURY OF THE GREATER CHINA!!!!
|> 
|> Let's all work for that goal!
From: chenx@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:40:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cua.1992Sep30.134020.1
Organization: The Catholic University of America

I posted a question about the Protection Bill two days ago, and I would like to 
thank you all who responded to my question.  But, in my understanding, most of
the responses, except one, confused the difference between China and the
Chinese Government.  There is no doubt that China needs all of us to go 
back.  China needed Sun ZhongShan to go back from Japan, and it needed 
Communists to go back from Europe.  But, the government at the time 
absolutely did not want them to go back.  A country and a government 
are absolutely different concepts,  but the government on power always 
tried to make people confused about the difference.  A patriot can be an
anti-government activist.  The Communist Party used armed force to
overthrown the then-legal KMT government, we learned it from the elementary
school.  Now, return to the old question:  Does Chinese Government really
want these Chinese students to go back?
From: pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:06:24 GMT
In-reply-to: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu's message of 22 Sep 92 03:53:36 GMT


    From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
    Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
    Message-ID: <Buyo5r.J6x@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
    Date: 22 Sep 92 03:53:36 GMT
    
    In article <BuyMrC.Eot@ecf.toronto.edu> yinhao@ecf.toronto.edu (Yin Hao) wrote:
    >
    >As I know, you have to get permission from the police dept. to install the fax
    >machine at your own home.  (Or some telecommunication dept. which I'm not too
    >sure about).  
    >
    >Howard
    
    Thanks for the reminding, actually not only FAX machines, but also Xerox 
    machines, Laser printers and any "equipments that can be used to print or
    re-print propaganda materials", must be registered with/licensed by Public 
    Security Bureau.   What a "Police Republic of China" ...  :-)

Relax.  Just register and get on with your live.  In US, one used to have to
get a license from FCC for operating a CB radio.  Now I believe the
regulation/law still says the same but FCC has long stopped licensing and any
one can operate a CB without a license now.  Similar things happened to China.
One used to have to register his/her radio with police, in the 50's I think.
Today, probably there are not many who even know such a regulation existed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 08:55:54 GMT

In article <BvGqGx.3AF@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>Dear Chinese Friend:
>
>
>Today is our National Day.
>........
>Mao Ze-Dong had many mistakes, but he and his comrades left us a strong 
>country, an independent country.

I do agree Mao Ze-Dong's government left us an independent country.  But
it is not a strong one.

J Su
>
>Just a remind, today is our National Day. Nothing can be more valuable
>than independence. US could be a friend, but China is our country.
>

Good day on our National Day.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:41:33 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Oct5.232526.17553@wuecl.wustl.edu> esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui) writes:
>In article <s075198.718292946@cunews> s075198@mercury.carleton.ca (Jun Liu) writes:
>>all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
>>Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
>>and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
>>kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.
>
>Still China does not have as many nuclear head as the US or Russia.
>China did not spend 6-billion to  buy 150 f-15 while most her 
>neithors increase at least  3% average in millitary expenses.
>I doubt your 12% is a correct figure since China is reducing its
>4 millions army to 2 million according to its original plan.
>Consider the spending before the Soviet collepse, China's buget
>is too small to even defend itself, 200% of its own GNP for Soviet 
>and 20-28% of GNP for the US. May be it is time to catch up the
>huge difference. Beside, mind to tell me how much other Asian nation
>spend on its education. Don't try S.Korea or Japan which bascially
>the government has no say on its own defence.
>
Yesterday's Chicago Tribune's headline is about US is going to skip the
peace divident. Maybe it is following China's track.

Tingli Pan
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:32:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Sep30.145038.19631@news.acns.nwu.edu>  (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <92Sep28.113407edt.157@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  (Yuanhui Liu) writes: 
>> >> >
>> >> >These two great shows never happened in Chinese history. These two
>> >> >demos ended up with two complete different results. A lot of people
>> >> The only difference is, Mr. Jiang was not alive and in charge in 1990,
>> >> 
Again, the argument did not relate to the subject of discussion. Constantly
bringing up Chiang will not change anything that was rooted into you guys hearts
by 40 year CCP brainwash. As far as the time goes on, it is the subject of
1989 to 1992. Nobody else is interested to beat dead people, as CCP did.
>> >
>> >No, Li Peng is not very old but I bet he would be even  worse
>> >than Jiang had he had bigger power. I think the proplem is, in PRC, people  
>> Li Peng is nothing but a puppet, and wind up being the scapegoat of 6.4.
>> Sure he's the premier, but he had no say about the army.  Whether he
>> 
This is a self-confession, isn't it? If Li Peng is a puppet, then who is managing
China? Who is the black hand? Who is behind the screen?
After Xi Tai Ho, who else has that power with black hands?

It is a problem of CCP, isn't it?  A top powerful national position as Li Peng,
you guys said he has no authority for decision making. Isn't that fool?
Why you guys support that government with a puppet, a fool?
Isn't that a serious problem? Isn't that telling the world that CCP is a bunch
of crooks who not only blammed everything on KMT, but rather has messed up
China for long 40 years. The KMT mess-up lasted a few years, the CCP mess-up
has been 43 years, just that CR mess-up had lasted 10 long years (nothing
of world crime can compare to that) and destroyed the core of Chinese culture.
Furthermore, the KMT mess-up was a result of foreign invasion for many decades.
The CR mess-up was initiated inside the CCP and inside China without foreign
pressure, the most important difference is that there was no such a need to
destroy Chinese culture, to destory temples, ancient treasures.
>
>You missed my point. What I mean is that it is not necessary the next  
>generation will be better if they are educated in the CG way. 
>
CCP educated people tend to twist the fact as their CCP grands did.
The major difference is the principle that two parties were based on. While one
is moving far toward demoncracy, the other stays as that in 1949. But, CCP
educated people believe that CCP can be changed (if it could, it would have
been changed) and making all execuses for it and believe in it.
>
At the eve of 6/4, many people believed that PLA would not shoot their own
people (People's army shoot their own people, are you kidding?). They did, in
a large scale though nobody knows when they fixed up people in the dark night.
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:55:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:

>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 

>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

Well, sir, I've found four errors in your comment with little effort.
I am sure you can find them if you go back and read your post. But I don't
blame you for everyone makes mistakes! I am posting this 
comment to point out that, one should not be too critical toward other 
people. I believe that most people who post on the net make great efforts 
to make their writing as good as possible. As long as one makes an effort,
she/he should not be blamed for her/his not so perfect writing. I would 
encourage people to post any ideas or comments no matter how they think
about their English. I guess there are  many people out there who don't
post because of lack of confidence in their English. I say to these people,
post whenever you have something to say. But when you post, make some 
efforts in your writing--a benifit to both you and the readers.

One surely can find some errors in my post. But, I tried.....
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:28:04 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <s075198.718292946@cunews> s075198@mercury.carleton.ca (Jun Liu) writes:
>In <97589@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>(deleted)
>Applaud for your efforts!

Thanks.
>
>However, have we thought of the following facts: in 1991, when
>all major millitary powers were enjoying the peace dividend, the 
>Chinses millitary expenses increased more than 12% and education
>and research increased less than 5%? University enrollment was 
>kept unchanged! You may say I am cynical, but with a good reason.

Yes, you are probably right, there are many things are more essential
than we donate or call for donation. However, in this world, there
are two kind things, as Dr. Meng classified 2400 years ago:

Xia Tai Shan yi Chao Bei Hai? ... Wo Bu Len ye. Shi Bu Len ye, Fei
Bu Wei ye. (Carry a mountain to the sea? I can't. That true, you can't,
not you don't want to do)

Wei Zhang Zhe Zhei Zhi?... Wo Bu Len ye. Shi Bu Wei ye, Fei Bu Len ye.
(Break a branch for an old fellow as stick? I can't. That is you don't
want to do, not you can't)

To increase the government budget, that is what I can't. As a small
potato, I can only do what I can. 
-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26924 talk.politics.china:1636
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:57:34 GMT
Organization: New York University

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:

>>the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>>find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>>xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
> ^^^^ should this be sha4?
       I remember it should be xia4 in this case.
>	Some netters said this kind of thought in the culture made China
>	poor. I guess you must not agree with them.
>>like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jiangh3@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Hubert/Hongbo Jiang)
Subject: ZU Yellow Page
Organization: Troy 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:13:31 GMT


Hi,

I have lost the e-mail address of Zhejiang University Yellow Page. Any help is
appreciated.

Thanks.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:00:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.144430.27532@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <BvJyv1.1DC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Oct2.183440.13380@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> >
>> >Mao is very stupid (or crazy). Even in late 1960s, he still proudly told  
>> >foreign diplomates that he could summon a 100 million soldier army to  
>"defend"  
>> >China. I believe it was militarily motive that push Mao to encourage fast  
>> >growth of population. 
>> >
>>   Then you are truly stupid.
>>   Go to some country side of China, ask one of the woman on the street,
>>   why does she want 12 children, she answers:" I want to build a strong
>>   family army".
>> 
>> 
>
>Don't forget that Mao awarded so called "mather heros" in late 1950s for having  
>more than 7 children. Many Chinese were as stupid as you still are now. They  
>simply did not question the authoritis. They simply followed their "great  
>leeader".
>
>Carl

 I was told that in USSR Stelin also awarded so called "mother hero" after
World War II.  Do you think it USSR should have the same population
growth rate as China?  Or you just believe that people in Russia are

so smart that they questioned the authorty. In my opinion since China
had been experiencing dramastical chaos in th past several decades

before 1949, when they began to have a relatively peaceful life it
is imaginable that they want to have more children.  Also because
of the low standard of living and insufficient medical facility,
you got to have more kids to make sure that some of them would
survive.


Du
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:26:24 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes: 
> 
> Dear President Bush:
> 
> Do you know how many eyes are watching you? They are so many
> and they are full of wishes, wishing miracle would happen. Oh,
> you are the messenger of lord; you can send them to heaven; 
> you can send them to hell. All between your "Y" and "N".
> 
> Your mighty God, Amen!
> 
> A Christian.

  You are not a Christian,  you are a Bushian.  Don't mess with Christian's
good names.

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: uphhslz@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:52:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00961B17.BD2AE0A0
Reply-To: uphhslz@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

TEST SORRY!
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, Greencard, and others
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:27:14 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <97450@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <9210022142.AA09340@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>>
>>          Oct. 1 is no more important than the day Mr. Zhu Yuan1
>>          Zhang1 became the president of China.  From a historical
>>          point of view, they are essentially events of the same
>>          nature.
>
>No more? I think less. 1) Ming overdrawn a foreign (at that time)
>dynasty; 2) Ming became a first rate of world power (at that time).
>Mao's achievement, if any, can't surpass Zhu Yuan Zhang in these
>two regards. On the other hands, Mao repeated almost all mistakes
>of early Ming dynasty, such as self-isolation, and cruelity to its
>own officials, intellectuals  and people.
>
I always think Mao is the worst emperor of China. Zhu Yuan Zhang left a
workable bureacratic system, while Mao left a mess. That is the bad
thing of modern medical, it prolongs the bad guy's life. See what
happens.
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:32:59 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <1992Sep28.175106.8622@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
> In article <80570@ut-emx.uucp>, joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> |> 
> |> Had the United States fought only to save South Korea, it is very
> |> unlikely that the Chinese would have entered the Korean War.  The
> |> problem was that once American troops crossed the 38th parallel and
> |> headed northward, Mao and his friends became very nervous.  What
> 
> I had never been a great student on the subject of history but
> was not it n-korea crossed 38th parallel first. CCP+n-korea won quite a few
> battles and captured a few US generals inclding a 2-star before MacArthur
> came in. If I remeber it right, even seoul was (or soon-to-be) lost to n-korea.

  What you said is true and this is now known in mainland. Only 4 or 5 years
ago, someone in mainland wrote some bao4 gao4 wen2 xue2 about Korea war. One's
name is "Black Snow", another one is sth. like "Story of Chinese Volountiers
Army POW". I heard that in the war some ex-KMT army surrendered to US.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china