Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:02:15 EDT
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.rock-n-roll.hard

In article <1992Apr11.230809.2587@acsu.buffalo.edu>, becker@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Don Becker) says:
>
>I would like to see the group alt.rock-n-roll.hard created for the following
>reasons:
>
>        1.) On alt.rock-n-roll.metal, there is a long-running debate as
>                to whether groups such as Guns N Roses and Def Leppard
>                should be discussed on the group.
>
>        2.) Alt.rock-n-roll provides too broad a musical base for discussions
>                of such groups to flourish.
>

What are the chances this will be made?  I have suggested this group
be formed many times over the past year now.  Many other people have
also suggested this also.  Of course will such a group solve anything?
Will G'n'R fans and DL fans actually be willing to move into such a
group?  Look at alt.r-n-r.metal.heavy, its purpose was to stop flame wars
but it is a failure.  Fans critize people like me for continuing flame
wars here, and insist I move to the heavy group, when even there bands
like g'n'r and DL are still discussed to no end.

Secondly why is metal even a subgroup of r-n-r?  They are different
types of music.  If metal was moved away in a group called alt.metal
this will also tend to turn off the rate "posers" in the wrong newsgroup.

Plus you also have people who have the attitude "if I feel its metal
then it is."  Also "freedom of speech" is another one of their major
gripes.  Hell why don't we just stop making dictionaries in alphabetical
order!  If I feel Alien should come after Zebra than it damn well does!
Its alot easier to get information about things if they are placed
in a logical and "correct" category.  But of course this is from
Suaron and he's a fuckup so what the hell does he know!

What is metal?  Its "kinda like the scent of a rose, with words you
can't explain."  But just by comparison you can tell bands like g'n'r
are not the same as bands like metallica.  Obviously there is some
difference between the two, a rather large one in addition.  When
I think of g'n'r I would classify them as a hard rock type of band.
(I wouldn't go that far with def leppard, especially the new album)
But still def leppard and a bunch of "glam" bands will fit much
better into a category titled "hard" than one titled metal.

Also metal tends to dwell on the darker side of human nature.  Its
rather raw and aggressive.  Bands like def leppard are tame and more
"happy" a far cry from metal.  I don't think speed has anything to
with it, bands can be "heavy" and still play rather slow.  Most
pop bands can't ever be metal cause they are fluffy and made to
appeal to the masses.  They don't dwell on taboes.  Think of it!
It makes sense, if you can reason.

Until this happens I will continue to flame away (and that's a
promise)!  Maybe that will get people to leave and form there
own newsgroup, but also you must admit, it would be one hell
of a boring place without a good flame war to liven things up
abit.

--slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
Suaron