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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: optifast again
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:02:34 GMT

Margot asks:
>I mean, would you show a smaller loss on the same caloric
>intake if you were building muscle than if you were very
>sedentary?  Any ideas on this?

There are two factors working in opposite directions: Factor A
says that muscle weighs more than fat, so if you're rapidly
*building* muscle, you may well not lose as many pounds as you
would if you were not building muscle.  Factor B, though, says
that the more muscle you have, and the more you use that muscle,
the more fat you burn off.  A would suggest that the sedentary
people would lose more "weight" (but perhaps less fat) than
the exercisers.  B would suggest that the exercisers would win
out in the end--both pound-wise and fat-wise--over the sedentary
ones.  I'm just guessing here, that Factor A would come into play
over the short-term--a few weeks to months, maybe?--but Factor B
would be more important in the long run.  I confess I don't know,
though.

My own experience is that I always gain weight when I exercise--
especially in the first 2-4 weeks after starting a new exericse
plan, I can gain as much as ten pounds--but over time, I lose enough
fat to start losing overall weight.  It's as if I have to be a *fit*
fat person, before I can start to get thinner.  Most of the time I
like being a fit fat person so much, I just stay here.  :-)

I agree with what Covert Bailey says about how pounds lost is a dumb
measure of achievement: "Pounds of what?" he says. "Pounds of fat?
Or pounds of *muscle*?"  I threw away my scale years ago.  If you
have to have a number to chart, or brag about :-), use inches (or
centimeters) of your waist and hips or whatever.  (Just recently
I measured my biceps, and they've gained an inch! Yey!)
	
							--Fiona
From: sarahb@fanfare.EBay.Sun.COM (Sarah Bate)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Diet Pretzels???
Date: 21 Jul 1992 17:59:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sarahb@fanfare.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: fanfare.ebay.sun.com


Hi,

As I was shopping this weekend, avoiding the fat food isles,
my kids dragged me down the chips isle.
Well,  I though about me diet & fat & calories & salt & oil...
The list goes on.
Well, I settled on some pretzels.

Help me on this.  If you know something that I don't, please tell me.

These are Mr. Phipps brand Pretzel chips.  They have no fat.  They are baked
not fried.  They have 50 calories per 17 chips!!!   They also have
4 varieties, but only the one with none of the bad stuff in it.
And to top it off,  they are good.  My kids love them.  I really like them.

Now i'll find out they are bad for me.


Cya,

Sarah 


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:12:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

>/   I hope I'm not intruding with this note, but I read your
>/message and wondered whether you've heard about a newly-
>/introduced (as of June 19, 1992) weight management progam 
>/which allows you not only to maintain your new weight but 
>/requires NO DIET and helps build muscle as well.  (I know 
>/what you're thinking, and the answer is YES, it *works*.)
>/
>/   Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>/
>/Best,
>/
>/Paul Pival

"Weight management program" could mean anything, so it's too early
to pass judgement. Give Paul a little more rope. He'll either hang 
himself with it, or he'll come clean. 

If the program "helps build muscle," then it has to include exercise. 
That much we know.
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Anyone tried Hypnosis?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:01:27 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried hypnosis to help them lose
weight.  My grandmother stopped smoking years ago with the aid of
hypnosis.  Would success be the same with weight loss?  

Kathie


-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried Hypnosis?
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:23:23 GMT

In article <==mm=3q.rfelix@netcom.com>, rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>A few years ago I listened to a tape by the same person for weight
>loss and was quite successful losing about 15 lbs and sticking with my
>excercise program,too! The thing that prevents me from using the tape
>now is that it is one that relaxes you to sleep and then suggests
>several things to a relaxed/sleeping mind ( God only knows what they
>suggest!). I was single then, and now live with my honey. *He* is very
>thin and I wouldn't want the tape to make him lose weight! :-)
>
>I think I will call the company that makes the tapes,though , and see
>if they have one that is not designed for bedtime use!

Admittedly, we all just came down like a ton of bricks on someone who
tried to sell us a commercial product, but I suspect you could get away
with mentioning the name and publisher of these tapes without risking
our retribution.  I'd kind of like to know.

By the way, wouldn't a Walkman do the trick?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Berger     jonb@ingres.com     {mtxinu,sun,amdahl,pyramid}!ingres!jonb
"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." 
                                         -- Fudd's First Law of Opposition
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:13:56 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <BrtnGo.FE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>my problem:  a gain of 20 pounds since january!  i am having trouble
>with a hormone imbalance...and show the symptoms of hypoglycemia
>(although it doesn't show up in a blood test...)
>
>if i don't eat EVERY 2 hours i feel like i am going to pass out  (even
>when i am not "stomach hungry")
>
>does anyone out there know about hypoglycemia...and how to cope
>without getting FAT?

You should get "The Carbohydrate Addict Diet" by Richard and Rachael
Heller.  Read it, try the diet.  If you can stay on it, it will take
care of the physiological cravings (dealing with the psychological  
issues of skipping carbos twice a day is tough though).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kallen@unislc.uucp (Karen Allen)
Subject: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:07:01 GMT



Hi!
  I have been reading this group for a while now and would like to introduce
myself..but first I would like to say...I am very motivated by all of your 
contributions to this group and would like to thank all of you for that.  
I have been a yo-yo dieter for about 14 years now, I am 31 years old and have
finally reduced to within 10 lbs of my desired weight.  I have read a few
other posts from folks who seem to be experiencing the same frustrations I
have; I have been restricting my calories to around 1200 per day or less.  I
have been cutting out fat as close to 0% as I can possibly get (never over
10%).  I have a very bland diet which requires that I supplement with 
protein and vitamins because I am very active (aerobics: 30 min every day,
racquetball: 1-2 hours twice a week, weight-lifting: 6 days/wk +
softball twice a week, and rollerblading and horse riding on occasion).
  What I don't understand is...why can't I lose the last 10 pounds?  My body
fat seems to accumulate at the thighs and rear...I have increased the muscle
size in those areas. This is supposed to increase capillaries in the area 
which are supposed to increase the body's ability to tap into the fat 
resources. The circumference is becoming smaller, but the pockets of fat still 
remain.  What influence do hormones have in utilizing fat storage?  How can I
overcome genetics which partially determine why I store fat in pockets rather 
than in even distribution?  
  I am so close to meeting my goal, but I have gone for two months of very
restricted dieting without losing an ounce. I am becoming discouraged and I
am afraid that the first time I allow myself to eat something normal (but
still low in fat ..20%)  I will gain weight again.  By the way, when I say
normal I am refering to recipes in "How to Lower Your Fat Thermostat 
Cookbook".  I try to religiously stick to low fat recipes but never seem to
lose...I just maintain and sometimes even gain in waterweight because I am
sensitive to complex carbohydrates.  So I am scared to eat anything but 
fruit, non-fat cottage cheese, steamed or raw veg's and occasionally chicken.
That's the extent of my diet!!!  When the Domino's Pizza commercial comes on,
my mouth just waters!  I know if I ever took the first bite...I would be
lost again!!
  Anyone have any suggestions?    I'm losing control and I just don't want
to gain it all again (I have lost a total of 30 lbs).

  Thanks!!!

   Karen.
From: moiram@sacajawea.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Moira Mallison)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: RE: Hypnosis - Personal Experience (long)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: moiram@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments


>> I have no personal experience with self-hynosis as diet help, but
>> with stress help.  I have extremely severe tension headaches and
>> tried everything (esp. since they thought they were migraines) such
>> as biofeedback, relaxation techiniques and self-hypnosis.  Self-hypnosis
>> really helped me.  My father tried it for diet and it didn't work.

My mother suggested a book called "Personal Change Through Self-Hypnosis"
by Pam Young.  (I think that's the author).  Evidently some studies
have shown that a hypnosis script recorded with one's own voice is
more effective than an off-the-shelf tape.   The book has a variety of
scripts including induction and ummmm --- whatever the opposite of
induction is.  

I made a tape that included the script for high blood pressure and
weight loss.  The results in my blood pressure were dramatic enough
that my Dr asked for the name of the book.  It has kept me off meds
for over a year.

I've seen less results with the weight loss.  I tend to think that
it's a much more complex issue, and maybe isn't as amenable to
treatment of this kind.

>> that you listen to before falling asleep are subliminal ...

My hypnosis tape is regular hypnosis and I use it as I'm  falling
asleep.  The theory is that as one goes through the different stages
of brain-wave activity (beta, alpha, theta, delta) the information is
more accessible to the unconscious mind.    

Moira
From: v129mwf7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (WHILE YOU WERE OUT... JEN CALLED.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nutra System
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


My mom went to N/S... spent a fortune and lost 60+ pounds... she looked ill...
too thin... and then gained it all back in less than 2 years....

I rememeber somebody mentioning Jenny Craig... could you tell me more about
it?... like how much the food costs per week... they're having a deal right
now on joining up... $1/lb you want to lose... 


Jen
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:35:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul20.174414.871@scic.intel.com> donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson) writes:
>Awhile back I read something on here about people giving up caffeine
>while dieting. What is the reason for this? 

Because caffeine is supposedly a diuretic and an appetite stimulant.  The
liquid diet I was on was no caffeine (although, don't tell--I cheated :-).

Now I try and limit my caffeinated drinks to mealtime.  Works for me!

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:09:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BryrEI.4LG@acsu.buffalo.edu> mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes:
>	Now, is it just me or did ANY thing I say above infer that I am
>	interested in a "new" weight management program???
>	The fact that he doesn't Mr. Pival my name in greeting, and that I've
>	never seen Mr. Pival post to this group make me think that
>	this is a mass-mailing of promotional material.
>	Anyone else get one?
>	If this was sincere, I apologize, but if not, let's get real here.
>	Solicitation by news or email is verboten.

Yup, I got one, too.  I responded with some skepticism about diets in
general, and he offered to send me a video tape with more info.  Whereupon
I emailed back and asked what the name of this program was and if this 
tape was going to cost me something.  Also, if it just came out in June,
how do they know it works?  

I haven't heard back from him yet, but my guess is that you're right; it's
a promo.  Yuck.

--Lauren

-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul16.110425.29658@newstand.syr.edu> <15719@pitt.UUCP>
	<1992Jul20.163332.17757@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Jul21.171017.1@vax1.tcd.ie>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 07:56:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.171017.1@vax1.tcd.ie> moflngan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>On the subject of alcohol....... although the alcohol itself does not
>contain sugar the drink which contains the alcohol generally does whether it
>comes fomr added sugar or the breakdown of other ingredients in the
>beverage.

>The alcohol itself can cause trouble because alcohol in the blood inhibits
>the release of glycogen from the liver reducing blood sugar after a time.
>In a diabetic this is dangerous as the combination of a lowering of
>blood sugar without the conscious administration of an insulin dose
>and the dulling effect alcohol has on the brain can cause unexpected
>and even sudden hypoglycaemia which may be misinterpreted not only by
>those around the diabetic individual but also by the diabteic him/herself

>Hope this is of some use to someone

This is VERY useful!  It explains why I'm able to handle an occasional
sweet drink and why I can handle some sweets if I'm drinking with them.

It also explains why I must eat if I DO drink.

--Lynn
(hypoglycemic-at-large)
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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:29:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
>Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
>
>In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>>In article <19920723100323SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>>> [recipe deleted]
>>
>>For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:
>>MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
>>
>
>Whoa!!  That statement is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.  Sure, most bakery-
>made muffins contain tons of fat and sugar, but there are other
>ways to make a muffin.  I have a bran muffin recipe I got out of a
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Prevention magazine cookbook that has approximately 60 calories,
>less than 1 gram of fat, and 4 grams of fiber per cupcake-size muffin.
>(If anyone is interested in the recipe, let me know and I'll send
>it to you.)
>
>I also remember seeing the Dannon Muffin recipe in a magazine and
>the point the Dannon people were trying to make was that they
>took a muffin recipe and substituted yogurt for the oil and eggs
>and reduced the fat content substantially.  Does that explain
>the "less" wording?  I did the same thing with a brownie mix.
>
>    Dorothy
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!  I still stand by my post!  You can make those muffins
with nonfat yogurt and skim milk, use less sugar (honey or molasses
if you prefer), and they aren't going to break your diet.  I do
not believe in total deprivation, or in eating nothing but "tree
bark" as one of the regulars says :), so I love recipes like this.
Besides, I have a husband who doesn't like "diet" food, so this is
something that he'd eat without knowing it wasn't chock full of fat.
 
If you don't like them, don't make them.  I'm glad some of you
appreciated the recipe.
 
And YES, Dorothy, I'd like to see that bran muffin recipe.
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:15:51 GMT

In article <1507vuINNfjg@agate.berkeley.edu> abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch) writes:
>I think you're being a little hard on Mr. Pival (and I think
>his apology was a bit more 'unconditional' than it need have
>been - I guess he was really upset at having given offense).
>I happen to know a bit about the program he is referring to,

What has been posted up to this point does not qualify for being
"hard" on Mr. (and I use the term loosely) Pival.  If Mr. Pival
feels he has the right to "solicit" consumers for his quack
program, then I guess I have a similar right to flame his 
butt in this news group (yeah, I got solicited too).

>I know that contributors to this group have stated before
>that they really don't like being sollicited, but that was
>in response to some peddler of snake oil (or wheat-grass, or
>whatever it was) who came across like a cheapo car-dealer
>who would set your mileometer back to zero for $5. Here's
>Mr. Pival with a top quality program which he obviously
>knows is being helpful to a lot of people: what's he to
>do? Not mention it because of a personal business interest?

You could actually type this with a straight face?! What a load
of crap!!! 

>I thought his note was pretty tactful myself, so you
>could take it or leave it without feeling much intruded on.

Listen, if the guy wants to sell his overpriced supplements
of questionable value, fine.  He should feel free to post
signs all over Oakland (near Pitt's campus) and the Pittsburgh
area *honestly* (I know, that's a hard one) telling people
what he is selling.  Given his solicitation via email, I suppose he's 
also like the old Herbalife scum-suckers who'd approach you in the
airport with the stupid "Lose Weight Now" buttons.

Poetic justice would be that Mr. Pival (and Mr. Bulloch) would
soon receive an email message that read:

   I hope I'm not intruding with this note, but I read your
   message and wondered whether you've heard about a newly-
   introduced (as of June 19, 1992) intelligance gaining progam 
   which allows you not only to get a clue but also allows you 
   to approach normal human brain functioning. (I know
   what you're thinking, and the answer is YES, it *works*.)

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: A news/email diet scam?
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:23:05 GMT
Organization: UB

(My message: (I was wrong about the olives, BTW)------>



/From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
/Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:04:42 GMT
/Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
/Subject: Re: Carob
/
/
/	I think that *olives* themselves aren't high in fat at all, it's 
/	just that they're usually cured in olive oil and they soak up a lot
/	of that.  
/
/	Black olives seem to be eaten UN-cured more frequently than green,
/	maybe that's what they were talking about.
/
/		
/			Marie
/
/	PS -- IMHO greens don't taste good at ALL without being cured.
/	      And blacks don't taste good, period.
/
/		Ahh well.


A mail message I received today (supposedly regarding what I said above):

/*** EOOH ***
/Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:36:52 -0400
/From: "Paul J Pival" <pjp23@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
/To: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu
/Subject: Re: Carob
/Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
/In-Reply-To: <Brwt3u.2rn@acsu.buffalo.edu>
/References: <1992Jul22.183114.22461@b11.b11.ingr.com> <14m7ntINNo5o@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
/Organization: University of Pittsburgh
/Cc: 
/
/   I hope I'm not intruding with this note, but I read your
/message and wondered whether you've heard about a newly-
/introduced (as of June 19, 1992) weight management progam 
/which allows you not only to maintain your new weight but 
/requires NO DIET and helps build muscle as well.  (I know 
/what you're thinking, and the answer is YES, it *works*.)
/
/   Please let me know if you'd like more information.
/
/Best,
/
/Paul Pival


	Now, is it just me or did ANY thing I say above infer that I am
	interested in a "new" weight management program???
	The fact that he doesn't Mr. Pival my name in greeting, and that I've
	never seen Mr. Pival post to this group make me think that
	this is a mass-mailing of promotional material.
	Anyone else get one?
	If this was sincere, I apologize, but if not, let's get real here.
	Solicitation by news or email is verboten.


     		Let me know your thoughts,

			Marie
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: loss
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:18:16 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

. . .  I find it happens less and less now that I've been
> eating healthier and exercising (but I've only lost 1 lb in the
> past 3 WW weigh ins :( Bummer!).

But this is good work! Congratulations (and don't be so hard on yourself!)

Patricia
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:08:28 GMT

In article <LGOLD.92Jul28143155@callahans.Cadence.COM> lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:
>
>--Lynn
>--


Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work, keep the lbs down.

Fran      

F [:)
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Weight Watchers
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:01:06 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

I'm currently going to WW and was just wondering how many others out there
are also.  I'd like to hear your likes/dislikes or comparisons to other
programs.  I, personally, like the versatility by using the full choice plan.
I especially like the fact that no one has to know that I'm on any special
program cause I'm just eating healthy.  What other programs are some of you
folks successful on & why do you like them...just curious...;}

					Peggy

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