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From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hard-soled shoes/boots
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:43:59 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
: In article <16eg7rINN2ed@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
: > Not hit, slide against.  Leather boots protect your toesies the same
: > way a leather jacket protects your arms.  Also, boots ensure that the
: > protection will not come flying off your foot in a crash.
: 
: Last year in the rain I stopped to help a motorcyclist that had been
: caged while sitting at a red light.  He was rear-ended and thrown about
: 20 feet.  One 11" tall boot stayed on and the other was pulled off.  He
: was wearing open finger gloves, a denim jacket, jeans and an open face
: helmet.  His Yamaha was toast but he was unhurt.
: 
: So much for over-the-ankle boots staying on when you get tossed...
: 
: - Roid


Surely, you weren't actually riding in the rain?
Must have been the jeep, huh?


Jack Tavares    KotHO  
DoD# 0570	BMWMOA# 58278	AMA# 651191	BMWRA#  16087
83 R80ST	79 KZ LTD 400H (for sale) 
Sorry, but at DoD minimum speed it is impossible to speak. There is just 
too much wind noise.  At that speed I am spending all my concentration 
allowance on riding, and cannot afford anymore thought for words.
However, when I finish a ride and the bike is in the garage cooling down, 
the single word that comes to mind is:

    BEER.
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:22:58 PDT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: na
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <BD.92Aug19102453@fluent.UUCP>, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
> 
> I have to agree that porches are in these days.  Whenever my SO and 
> I ride through a nice neighborhood, she points out porches to me - she's
> especially fond of the wrap-around kind that runs along two sides of the 
> houses.

i had an absent-minded spanish teacher in high school who drove a
porsche to school everyday. on days when it rained, about 9am the
assistant principal (= football coach in texas, for yall yankees)
would clear his throat and announce over the loud speaker, "ther's a
porch with the lites on in th' parkin laht."

needless to say, i cannot look at a porsche without laughing.  now
that yuppie scum like them it makes even more sense.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
From: feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: No, *Bikers* lose (was: Cager loses to biker story:)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:55:43 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Aug14.191805.24116@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:

> 	My MSF (CSC in Canada,actually) told us of the time when some
> 	bitch(tm) cut him off in a rotary (roundabouts in the UK). Now this
> 	is somewhat to be expected in a rotary, but the general rule is to
> 	alternate the yield.  Anyway, it was his turn, she challenged
> 	it and practically ran him off the road.  This guy is big/strong
> 	and wears nice protective (read indestructable) boots.  He catches
> 	up to her, and kicks the living shit out of her tail light!!!  
> 	Needless to say, she will always 'Watchout for motorcycles, they're
> 	everywhere' from here on in.  

This kind of shit is truly stupid. What do you think the other cars 
on the road thought while they were watching a motorcyclist kick 
someone's taillight out in the middle of traffic? How do you think it 
affected their attitudes toward motorcyclists? Riding is dangerous 
enough; let's not pick fights with vehicles that weigh many times 
more than ours, and in which the drivers feel invulnerable. If that woman 
had had more of a temper she could have run that asshole off the road 
with a flick of her wrist! I'm sure that moron felt very proud of 
himself but the reality is that he made the roads more dangerous for 
us than they already were, and we can definitely do without that shit.

Josh
feinstei@sonoma.edu

(no flame intended toward the poster...just the protagonist of your story)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pascaru@thumper.etdesg.trw.com (Ted R. Pascaru 111200 ccC355)
Subject: an american motorcycle in europe
Organization: TRW, Inc., Redondo Beach...
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:15:20

last year i had an excellent adventure riding in europe.  i was on a
katana 750 and my friend on a fzr1000.  we left the bikes in italy
hoping they'd sell.  one year later, there still in a garage, while
the best offer i can get is $4000 for both bikes to be used as spare
parts.  it turns out the beaurocarcy involved to sell them legally is
a nightmare.  this is done to stop people from doing what we were and
still are trying.

we have a friend in germany who is willing to get the bikes and ride
them back.  just wanted to know how difficult it is to sell the bikes
in germany.  can we get a better deal, or should we just take our $4k
and run?

thanks
ted
pascaru@etdesg.trw.com 
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:13:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Info, comments, flames, etc.
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / mage@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Jack Guntly) /  8:44 am  Aug 16, 1992 /

Kawasaki Vulcan 88
Suzuki Intruder 1400
Honda Shadow 1100

Possibly
Kawasaki Concours
Suzuki GSX1100G

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jack Guntly                               '88 V-45 Magna (for now)
----------
Of the three cruisers I'd go w/ the Vulcan 88 as it seems to offer the
most sensible two-up accomadations in addition to the massive torque.
The Intruder 1400 hasn't made my bro-in-law happy at all...nice looker,
but that's about it. Shadow 1100 would *really* put your SO's legs up
at an obscene angle and can't cruise at very high speeds. I liked the
85/6 Shadow better until they converted it into the current model.     

Concours is an excellent motorcycle, but unless you do your own work
it could cost some serious bucks come service time. The GSX1100G isn't
quite *right* yet...pretty damn heavy bike there.

BTW, the Vulcan 88 can set auto alarms off which is a big plus in my
book especially when you're looking for a little late night excitement
in *very* posh neighborhoods. :-)

Graeme Harrison
DoD#0649
The ZX11 pilot told the Gold Wing rider, "It's a good thing you don't
own a sportsbike cuz you ride pretty fast!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcsi.tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Originator: markk@rigel
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:37:02 GMT


Just last week I'm riding down the freeway and traffic is as dense as
a cager, but the speed is still about 60-65 mph.  Some bozo pulls
right up on my tail and I give my usually effective "wave", but he
just pulls up closer.  Finally, I had had enough of this idiot, so I
just grabbed the brakes.  I mean I slowed from 60 to about 25 and the
traffic bunched up in my lane.  I was downshifting as I went and when
I had totally freaked this jerk out, I just whacked the throttle open
(900 Ninja - 8-) and blasted away.  I realize this probably wasn't the
wizest thing to do, but it sure felt good.  Later, this cager caught
up to me again and started swerving at me and flipping me off and
finally pulled in front of me cutting me off.  So I did this:

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes: >follow him home.
already you have scared the piss out of him, because >he envisions you
as a dangerous biker type who NOW knows where he (or >his girlfriend)
lives.

I didn't follow him home, but I followed him for about 3 miles on the
freeway and on residential streets, keeping my distance, but making
sure he knew I was following him.  I could tell he was trying to loose
me, swerving to try to fake me into thinking he was turning and taking
a circuitous route.  Eventually, I broke off the "stalking" as I was
already on reserve tank and needed gas.  I went on home and left him
to consider what can happen when you act like an asshole.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RESULT: rec.motorcycles.harley passes 362:47
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:09:55 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG's message of 18 Aug 92 02:51:32 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 02:51:32 GMT, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) said:

 RBC>  Rec.motorcycles.harley passes 362 yes votes to 47 no votes.

John> Now, please, lets move all discussions about Harley Davidson motorcycles
John> and the illusions/delusions of (superior) life styles so often professed
John> by owners of same to rec.motorcycles.harley, where I don't have to read
John> them. Thank you!

John, nobody meant to force you to read ANYTHING you didn't want to.
You have our permission to NOT read them, regardless where they might
appear.  You're welcome.

--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CA Rain Grooves (Was Chaps and grooves)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:25:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell) writes:

>Does the lack of rain in CA cause the roads to build up oil and rubber
>such that when it *does* rain it's much worse than we're used to here
>in the East? 

Yes, very much so.  Having a bizillion cars drive on the road in between
rains tends to leave lots of gunk on the road.

>Final question: if they were to grove the pavement left to right, rather
>than in the direction of travel, would that solve the wobble problem for
>bikes? 

Yes.  But it is harder to do as compared to just having dragging a 
machine along the road cutting grooves as it goes.

How much the grooves affect a bike depend to a large extent on the tires -
especially the front.  I've had tires that reacted severely to grooves,
and others on the same bike that totally ignored them.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Visibility
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:08:18 GMT
Organization: Are you kidding?

In article <165vkrINNc25@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
+In article 15925@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
+>
+>Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid,
+>sorry lot.
+
+NOT!
+
+We only get stupid when put in cages.

That is what we said: "Humans get stupid when they aggregate in cages".
Can't you read?????

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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD meets (was: Re: Euro DoD meet)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:12:08 GMT
	<1992Aug10.150951.376@cho006.cho.ge.com>
	<1992Aug11.144534.11446@linus.mitre.org>
	<11AUG199208530436@erich.triumf.ca> <1992Aug12.170728.6489@sco.com>
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

On 12 Aug 92 17:07:28 GMT, brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) said:

Brian> ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.144534.11446@linus.mitre.org>, 
>		cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes...
>>Of course, this will probably piss the Aussies off, since we're being
>>Northern Hemesphere-centric...

Brian> Actually, it will be more fun to ride up to the North Pole, in Antarctica,
Brian> there's land under that ice, up in the arctic ocean, there's water
Brian> under that ice.   Makes it all worth while.

>Not really.  After all, I _have_ ridden a motorcycle in Antarctica! :-)

Brian> I wonder what type of oil is used, -25 weight?

I don't know about the oil weight, but the SkiDoo I drove at the
Patriot Hills in Antarctica was stuck together with duct tape.

A quick inspection when the Denizens did Dryden indicated that
duct tape is on the DoD mandatory equipment list.
--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."  Unknown US fighter pilot
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters 
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.221704.8605@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.153146.16745@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
|> 
|>      [story of tailgater being as impressed with craig as we all are deleted]
|> 
|> >	What would YOU do ?
|> 
|> if i were you, i'd shoot myself


	Ooooops, I forgot to mention that I DID shoot myself!!  Funny
	thing is that it didn't hurt at all, so I just laughed for
	an hour.  

	
	CH
|> 
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|> |       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|> |                                                                          |
|> |       "I love your post.  Please don't stop."   -- Lissa Shoun           |
|> |                                                                          |
|> |               "the swelling was real"  -- Paul S. Sears                  |
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:23:00 GMT

>>ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles) writes:
>> pull and slow down 'till he passes, then hit main beam and follow him about 
>> 10ft off his back bumper for the next 10 miles/till he stops. If he stops, 

Then Mark sez:

>Or, what they could do is just nail the brakes, causing you and your
>bike that are 10 ft. off their bumper to grind yourselves into the
>pavement.

10 ft? 10 FT?? No way! What you need is a headlight upgrade. Get rid of that
55/60 watt jobber, and get one of them 80/100 or 90/130 watt units. You can
follow at SEVERAL car lengths and still throw shadows of the occupants on the
road in front of the car.

>Sounds cool to me.

Sure does. Although following at a distance of less than 10 ft with a high-
power headlight does present another hazard---smoke from the burning paint
and all those paint chips......  

>Physics folks, physics...

Thats right...... 

Later

Ian

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Ian Howie           "Life is too short to drink bad coffee........"
(302) 292-8598   
DoD#0621
1990 FJ1200                                        howie@oscar.ccm.udel.edu     
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: 600 Radian
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:34:16 GMT



I would like to hear from owners or others with experience about the
600 Radian.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
From: hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD Security Breach ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:55:30 GMT
Organization: Tegra, Inc., Billerica, MA
In-reply-to: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca's message of 12 Aug 92 02:38:46 GMT



hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) Tries to flame....

>	Oh yeah Mr. Brucer, suck this spooge worm arsehole (sound effect
>	like 'gooooooooooosh', followed by exploding cigar).  You and your
>	fucking shithead DoDers just take up bandwidth, and I'm fucking sick
>	of it you miserable little insignifigant piece of doggy-do.  You 
>	secretly drive a car on Sundays, and wish your SO didn't have a
>	motorcycle, then you wouldn't have to ride one yourself.  Fuck you
>	piss me off.  
>
>	(Was that good enough to get me inducted?  I'm interested 8*}  )
>

  I've heard better flames from small girls chasing tennis balls.  


Andy
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Mariage...what happens???
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.142125.11983@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <1574@shaman.wv.tek.com>, robd@shotgun.wv.tek.com writes:
>> Some, like me, lose all sense of self and become emasculated zombies. 
>> Fornunately for me, after 10 years I bought a bike and within a year had
>> regained all I had lost...and divorced the wench...of course...she was WAY
>> uptight and a bitch....
>
>Others are luckier and wind up with a pleasant house mouse that can wipe
>down the bike after a ride, fetch cold beers from the fridge and keep
>a watchful eye on the scooter when those nasty thunderstorms force you
>to cage to work...

Then there are those chosen few like myself whose spouse says to them:
"You know, every spring since I left Africa I've been itching to get back
 on a bike... have you ever thought about getting a motorcycle?"

Truly, I say to you, I am multiply blessed.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Subject: Re: Chaps and grooves (Was Re: Blue Jeans Bad; Leather Jeans Good)
Originator: mja@hercules
Reply-To: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:21:00 GMT


In article <1992Aug11.195724.15427@novell.com>, mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug11.180645.2459@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug11.161503.16834@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Aug10.181845.27432@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
|> >>>Jeans will protect you for about 5 feet, which is about how long it
|> >>>takes the denim to rip away.
|> >>>
|> >
|> >  I'll have to argue this one. I slid on ass and elbows down the freeway after
|> >losing it to high speed wobble (80mph). I was wearing K-Mart jeans and denim 
|> 
|> Mindful of the flame cycle on chaps, I have to ask net.wisedumb: the guy who
|> sold me the V-Pilot ($299, with free alterations -- check it out) claims
|> you don't slide much on your butt, so chaps are ok.  Wear a wallet just
|> in case.  Opinons from sliders would be welcome.  Leather pants have to
|> fit exactly or they tend to insulate me from the bike and make me feel
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> entirely armored, as if I were wearing a particularly thick condom. 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Good leathers (properly fitted for MC use) will not do this. My one piece
vanson leathers (from my racing days) are very comfortable and make me feel
like a part of the bike, and don't believe it when some says your but is safe
from being slid on.

|> 
|> On the same thread: I fear having a Zen experience with the freeway due
|> to high-speed wobble.  In the San Jose (CA) area on 280 South from
|> Cupertino to 880, the rain grooves (?) on the freeway cause my bike
|> to shimmy quite a bit.  I'm riding on Metzelers, but the EX500 only
|> has 16-inch rims, so the tires are 100-90-16 and 130-90-16.  Suggestions
|> on increasing stability would be appreciated.
|>                                           /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
|>    Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
|>    mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
|>    mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Head-on on Hiway 9
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:05:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

So I'm riding back from dinner Tuesday night, along a twisty mountain
road (Hiway 9 for you locals.)  It's dark out, but the road is in great
shape with no traffic, and my speed continues to climb.  My visor
starts to get harder to see thru because of bug spooge, especially when
oncoming cars shine their headlights at me.  Coming down one
particular stretch at about 60 or 70 MPH, a car approaches with its
high beams on, and I have to strain to see the paint stripe on the
road.  Just then I see two glimmering white spots directly in front of
me, and my mind flashes back to the deer that almost jumped out in
front of me earlier that evening.  I nail the front brake and hear
it chirping as it traverses small undulations in the road - I'm slowing
as fast as I can but it's not enough.  Even with my GP compound
Sportmaxes, I've been severely overdriving my headlamp.  I stay on the
brakes and prepare for denizon to meet venison.  As I approach my
target, its form reveals itself to me:  it's two moths!

Well, I slowed down after that, having learned my lesson without
any carnage.  (Well, maybe a tiny bit of carnage, but that was easily
handled with a bottle of windex!)
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?