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From: U7584RT@DOEMA.BITNET (Rusty Perrin)
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Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:04:52 GMT
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From: Rusty Perrin
Ed Throckmorton says: "Not unless you search-and-replace Bold for Underline
later."

Hey, that could be a bonus question, search and replace a paired attribute
code. Underline vs. Italics would probably most realistic example.

My solution here is to use the WordPerfect supplied macro which I have
assigned to the Alt-R key, but that seems a bit like cheating. How is it done
from the keyboard? (Other than printing the macro, and following its steps.)

Other style points to look for is making sure people line things up using tabs
or tables, rather than the space bar, and other such habits which cause lots
of problems when the font is changed from fixed to proportional spacing. How
about having someone replicate a short document with various margins and
tables, and see how much trouble it is to change font faces/sizes and page
sizes/margins?

All in all, I think the test concentrates too much on knowing WP's secret key
combinations, but if the questions are weighted, that is probably OK. It would
also be useful to test and see if the user can deal with the quirks of the
table command, such as setting decimal alignment with enough space for 4
decimal places, math within tables, and setting a specific column width after
setting a table to full justification.

Depending on what level of WP knowledge you are looking for, it might be
useful to pose some typical user problems, and see how they solve them. I.e.
"Every time I save, it asks me for a long file name, and I hate that..." or
"It says action required in printer control. What do I do?"

Some WP features not covered include the equation editor, the document compare
feature, generation of indexes & tables of contents, use of graphics from
various other sources, and some of the slightly more sophisticated formatting
features (leading, kerning, widow control...).
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From:         kbanovic <KBANOVIC@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      archived files

I downloaded some archived files through ftp from wparchive.wustl.edu. All
these files have .zip extensions. When I try to unzip them or zipfix, I get
the message that these are not zipped files. I also tried to convert them
through WP Convert, which doesn't work either.

I must be doing something wrong. I appreciate any input.

Karen K. Banovic
Microcomputing Support
University of South Florida
SVC 1092     974-3191
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From:         JOEL@GACVX2.GAC.EDU
Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency

>Presumably, the test would be used to test job applicants (or some-
>thing along those lines).  If that is the case, then keyboard skills
>are intertwined with their knowlege of WP (at least as far as meas-
>uring their "worth" is concerned).  Therefore, no, I don't weight
>the results as I feel they are self-regulating.

I agree with you whole-heartedly - if the test is being used to test job
applicants.  From an academic standpoint the concern may be for testing WP
SKILLS more than SPEED. When it comes to "duplicating" a document, WP offers
many tools to accomplish this. Some approaches are better (but not necessarily
faster) if one is concerned with maintaining the document for further editing.

I'm sure we can all use this test and adapt it to fit our own particular needs.
Thanks to Henry Mullish for bringing it up.

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From: SNARMONT@WNEC.BITNET (STEVE NARMONTAS)
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Subject: WordPerfect Communications program?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:32:00 GMT
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Hello.

In the October '92 issue of Computer Shopper there was a review of a package
which I think is called WordPerfect Works.  (I could be wrong about the name-
I don't have the review in front of me.)  The package includes LetterPerfect
(a scaled down version of WordPerfect 5.1), a Lotus compatable spreadsheet,
a simple database manager, and a communications package.  All of the above
use similar menu systems and are integrated via Shell and a clipboard.

Here's my question:

The review said the communications package supports 7 terminal emulations.
Does anyone know what those emulations are?  Specifically, I'm hoping that
one of the emulations is for a Data General terminal.  It would make sense
for WordPerfect to support this emulation, since they maintain versions of
many of their products for the Data General minicomputers.

If no one out there knows of this package, is there a phone number
specifically for WordPerfect Corp. product information? (not technical support
for registered users)

By the way, I have LetterPerfect and its a nice, basic, 5.1- compatable word
processor at a very reasonable price.  Its refreshing to see a new product
that requires LESS disk space, LESS RAM, and has a SMALLER manual than
existing products!


Thanks,
Steve Narmontas
BITNET: snarmont@wnec
From: gilf@vms.huji.ac.il (GIL FREUND)
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Subject: Converting Bitstream Fontware to Bitstream Facelift.
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:32:41 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 7

I have just installed Facelift for WordPerfect 1.5. I allready have Bitstream
fonts with Quattro Pro 3.0, and I'd like to use some of them with WP. Is
there a way to convert those fonts? FONTLOAD doesn't recognize them.

Thanks,

Gil
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From:         Charlie Reitsma <REITSMAC@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Footnotes: Incorrect & Unexpected Fonts

>I most use Courier 10 to print text from WP 5.0 to my HPIII.
>I've been experiencing situations where the text prints in Courier but the
>footnote prints in Universal Bold or Times Roman.   (In view document, the
>footnote appears correctly in Courier but prints incorrectly!)
>
>I've tried all the obvious fixes -- placing a Courier base font in front of
>the footnote, checking that the Format-Document-Initial-Font (Shift F8-3) is
>set to Courier 10, removing all graphics from the document and so on.
>Nothing seems to help.

Put a footnote options code after the font change - Footnote, Footnote,
Options, Exit (Ctrl-F7, 1, 4, F7)
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From:         Steve Westerholt <IACD040@UNLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: archived files

      You need to set your transfer type before you download.  The command
 is "TYPE I" which stands for binary file transfer.  Try it again and it
 should work.


 Steve Westerholt
 University of Nebraska
 IACD040@UNLVM
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From: cvessey@upei.ca (Chris R. Vessey)
Subject: FAX transmission of WP51/WP51WIN documents.
Summary: Update information.
Keywords: FAX WP WP51 Windows
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:36:05 GMT

In group 'comp.dcom.fax', a discussion progresses regarding DosFax 2.0 Pro, 
and WinFax 2.0 Pro, and some of the problems faced.  Since it is of some 
interest to WP users, I will summarize it here quickly (a brief discussion 
of this topic was raised at an earlier date in this group).

	1.	DosFax Pro 2.0 has some bugs which causes intercharacter 
	spacing to be weird.  In other words, what you see in preview mode
	is not what gets FAXed.  Others have had this trouble as well.
	Delrina (makers of Dos and WinFax Pro 2.0) are aware of the problem
	and are working to rectify it.  If you have troubles with this,
	then you know what's happening.

	2.	WinFax Pro 2.0 has some reported errors when communicating
	using certain types of FAXmodems - it appears to have something to
	do with nonadherence to the T.30 standard.  It seems that you should
	look for a T.30-compliant FAXmodem when shopping.  Other than this,
	WinFax Pro 2.0 has no apparent problems FAXing from Windows 
	applications, including WP51 for Windows.

	3.	Delrina is going to offer a limited-time bundle of WinFax 
	Pro 2.0, Norton Desktop for Windows, and an OCR FAX grabber.  This
	may be of interest to WP users (indeed, to word processing users
	in general).

Thanx for your time and bandwidth.

						Chris

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From: MCHOLL@TSRV1.TS.WM.EDU (Michael Hollinger)
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Subject: Re: hyphens
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:22:39 GMT
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> Here's a hyphen-related issue that bothers me no end.  I use a lot of
> dashes in my work: Ctr-V, -, -.  In its automatic hyphenation, WP treats
> this as any old character and prompts me to place a regular hyphen just
> before or after it.  I haven't been able to figure out a workaround,
> either.  Isn't this problem readily fixable by our friends in Utah?
I've never had a problem with a m-dash (Ctrl-V) (M-) or an n-dash
(CtrlV) (n-)
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From:         AVISHAI ANTONOVSKY <KPUAV@HUJIVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      prices

Hi,
Two question on WP prices:

A. Does anyone have an idea of what WP6.0 will cost for someone who already
   has WP5.1 (DOS version)? Is it usually cheaper in University book stores?

B. What did DrawPerfect 1.1 cost, and do you think version 2.0 (I don't have
   1.1) will cost the same?


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From: Garfield@EAGLE.MIT.EDU ((Gail Garfield Neuman))
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Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:07:07 GMT
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Henry-

My comments (with a lot of your text deleted):
>
> 3.   Boldface a specific word, again not the spaces either side of
>      the word.

Bold spaces?!?

>
>
> 8.   Triplicate a particular word including the space.

Triplicate?!?

>
> 9.   Copy a paragraph and paste it somewhere else.


Without reblocking, etc. it paste it again.

>
>
> 14.  Highlight a specific file in List Files and retrieve it.

Alittle more on List Files:
Copy all the files with a .WPM extension to a floppy by marking them and
 copyiong the marked files.
Find all the doc's that have been modified since a particular date.


>
> 18.  Print the whole document the first screen only of which is
>      currently displayed.

Also, print pages 12 and 20-24 of a long doc


>
> 22.  Set WP so that the filename no longer appears on the Status
>      Line.


Or, make it appear if it doesn't already.


>
>
> 24.  Enter Jan, Feb, and Mar in the top row of the table and set
>      the column widths so that there are two spaces after each
>      month.

Spaces?   Really?   Why?


>
>
> 26.  Center a left-aligned line of text.

....Paragraph......Page

>
> 27.  Indent 3 paragraphs from the left margin.

Do you want to indent 3 paragraphs, the first line of each of three paragraphs,
 or do you want to
ident to the 3rd tab, it's not clear?


>
> 28.  Enter a page break at a given point.

I'd probably ask them to GO TO page 4, find something, then enter the page break
 after it

>
> 29.  Indent a paragraph between the left and right margins.

Do you mean double indent->x<-, or center justify the paragraph, it's not clear?

>
> 31.  Write a footer line which shows the word Page and the current
>      page number at the bottom of every page.

How do you Turn off headers and footers on page 1?  Page 21?

>
> 32.  Using Line Draw, draw a 4 x 4 table using the single line.


I don't recommend using line draw for anything these days, use graphic lines or
 in this case make a
table.

>
>
> 34.  Change a specific word to another specific word each time the
>      first is encountered in the document.

Otherwise known as a global search and replace

>
> 35.  A series of Mail Merge questions.

Basics:  What can you expect to find in a primary file?  Secondary file?
How do you name your fields?

More advanced:  How would you set up a merge to only merge letters when then
 record indicates that
they are from Texas, when state is set up as a field of it's own?  What can be
 done if State is part
of the citystzip field to achieve the same outcome?
From: GE0515@SIUCVMB.BITNET (Terry D. Mathias (618) 453-7419)
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Subject: WP Competency
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:59:57 GMT
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Kevin Randall:  I think your word choice is just fine . . . but the
real point is achieving and maintaining standards.

ALL: For example, when you are teaching new users, they should be taught
high standards of performance, that is, Kevin's concept of "clean."  To
do any less is to short-change them and signal them that lesser
performance is satisfactory.  In some settings, lesser performance
may SEEM okay, but the user will eventually face the editing difficulties
mentioned in other list postings.  At that point, he or she will begin to
recognize that the initial training was not as good as it should have been.
End result:  the trainer's reputation suffers; this may turn into fewer
referrals, a serious problem for the trainer who depends on them for income.

Sure, the product may look the same, but there is something to besaid
for pride in performance, for achieving and maintaining standards.

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From: 6160lacya@vms.csd.mu.edu (Alan Lacy)
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Subject: Booklet
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:52:41 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Finally I get a chance to make some pay-back for some of the help I've 
gotten from this list...

For those who want to print booklets, I highly recommend a program (= series
of WP macros) written by Alex Ogden. It's available by ftp from 
wuarchive.wustl.edu under mirrors/msdos/wordperf/wpbklt20.zip.  It's also 
available at other ftp mirror sites. The package includes a 20+ page 
manual which clearly explains the entire procedure. 

I have just finished doing a 16 page booklet, and the process couldn't have
been more painless. 


One caveat - according to the manual, it will only work on WP5.1, not 
anything lower.

There is also another program available at the same site/directory named 
BKLT10U.zip which is also for booklets, but I've never used this one, so 
can't say much about it.

Alan F. Lacy
Marquette University
6160lacya@vms.csd.mu.edu
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: DrawPerfect vs. CorelDraw
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:13:00 GMT

In <WPCORP-L%92100717074915@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> U7584RT@DOEMA.BITNET (Russell Perrin) writes:

>From: Russell Perrin

>Also, you asked which is better
>for graphs, and then listed two drawing packages. If by graphs, you mean
>bar/pie/line charts and their ilk, you will be better off with a graphing
>package than with a drawing package. Within the Windows environment, Freelance
>graphing is very good, so long as you do not want pie charts. Freelance does
>*very* poorly with pie charts in both the Dos and Windows incarnations. Trying

I have had very little luck getting Freelance output (either in TIFF or
HP Plotter formet) imported to WP51 with any semblance of quality.
DP1.1, of course, imports well, but the graphs are not very flexible.
Harvard Graphics 3.0 has just released a new CGM driver that creates
*.CGM files that import very well into WP51.  HG3 is a major advance
over HG2.n versions and I have few problems with it (after I read the
manual).

Stan Jones (sjones@ccs.carleton.ca)      ()
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: hyphens
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:15:30 GMT

	I recently scanned a document onto a MAC. The document was a
printed page - high quality printing mind you: so carefully typeset
with hyphens frequently (i.e. at ends of lines). Once the document had
been scanned it was then transformed to DOS format and imported into WP
5.1
	When the document was on the screen it appeared that the hyphens
at the end of the line had been replaced by a dash followed by a space -
and they were no longer at the end of the lines, obviously. SO I had to
eliminate them. I tried using the "search-and-destroy" set up usinf ALT
f2 - but the search did not find the dash. ALthough, when I checked the
dash was the hex symbol 2D, it is not recognised by WP. This means it
has to be eliminated manually, which is a pain. 

In the end I used  SOFTWARE BRIDGE to convert the dcument by filtering
the dash and replacing it with > sign and then searching for THAT in
WP5.1. But there must be an easier way. ANy ideas?

Richard Pennell, History, NUS
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From:         AVISHAI ANTONOVSKY <KPUAV@HUJIVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      DrawPerfect vs. CorelDraw

Greetings,
Suppose you are using WP51 (DOS version), and you have to choose between
using DrawPerfect and CorelDraw, for creating graphs to use in your
documents. Which would you use and why?


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From: s19184@seb.se (Michael Evans)
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Subject: Symbol for fax?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:06:56 GMT
Organization: S-E-Banken, Sweden
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The normal WP character set has a couple of symbols for the telephone, eg
(5,30) and (12,37).

In my Swedish version of the WP 5.1 Reference Manual dated 5/90 I cannot
however find a suitable symbol for a fax. The nearest I can get is the
shadowed box at (12,111).

Any suggestions?
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From:         "(Tom Mathieu [7143])" <mathieu@NCRCIS.STPAUL.NCR.COM>
Subject:      Re: default printer
              ANTONOVSKY" at Oct 9, 92 4:07 pm

>
> Hi all,
> How does one select a ***default*** printer? Lately I've been using a certain
> printer much more than in the past, and I'd like that to be the default,
 rather
> than selecting it for each document as I create it. (I've chosen "NO" for
> "format for default printer?" in the setup menu, but I still have to select
> the printer when I first create the document).
>
> Thanks.

The "default printer" is the printer selected BEFORE you open a
document.  When WP says "format for default printer?" it's telling
you that the document you are about to open/print was created with
a different printer selected.  Unless you create documents using
only one printer, you'll see this message pop up when you try to
print or open a document created using something other than the
printer initially selected when WP is started.

Let's say you want to use the XYZ printer as your "default".
Start up WP and go to select printer, move your cursor to the XYZ
printer and press ENTER.

Press F7 (exit).  From now on, the XYZ printer is your default
printer.

If you open a document that was created for the HP LaserJet, WP will
inform you of this by saying "formatting document for default
printer" because the document wasn't created using the XYZ printer
selection.

Does this help?
From: GALLAGHR@USMCP6.BITNET (STEVE GALLAGHER)
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Subject: Paradox Problem
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Comments:     Answering received message

If everything goes right when saving the changed file to a ASCII file and
the problem lies when your importing back into Paradox then it sounds
as if you might have a PICTURE FUNCTION that displays your characters as
mixed case.  I'm not sure about Paradox but you might try creating a new
database from scratch but import the data from your ASCII file.

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