HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Tom Branham, Biophysics Grad. Brandeis)
Subject: PC-Speaker Driver for Windows under 3.1 Beta....
Reply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:56:04 GMT

Well, it works :)  but not as smoothly or fast as under true 3.1.
Has anyone else tried it?  I am using the Posonus driver that came
with Mr. Sound FX.  (Ummmmmm, make that PRosonus in the previous line).
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From: auhl@fzi.DE (Axel Uhl)
Subject: 800x600x256 with ET4000 without CSD ???
Keywords: ET4000, 800x600x256, video problems
Reply-To: auhl@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:24:52 GMT


Hi friends,
I'm using the German version of OS/2 2.0 and thus didn't get the CSD yet.
Although I bought a ET4000 video card last week and would really like to use
its fine features. First I got the fixed VSVGA.SYS from HOBBES and installed
it. Afterwards at least the fullscreen sessions went well.
But then I tried one of the ET4000 SVGA dll's after the other (I got them
all from HOBBES). Before I started, I ran SVGA ON and the svgadata.pmi file
was created. Afterwards I created a directory C:\TSENG, into which I copied
the specific DISPLAY.DLL file. I put C:\TSENG as the first component in
my LIBPATH statement and changed the VIO_VGA-statement and the statement
concerning VSVGA.SYS in the config.sys file.
After bootup the screen was completely distorted and I was lucky to get
the shutdown invoked correctly. First I thought, the monitor could be at fault,
but when I made the changes undone, I tested some SVGA DOS applications, which
ran well with my monitor.

What am I doing wrong ?!
Axel (auhl@fzi.de)
From: kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Can't do an SVGA ON!
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:08:24 GMT

Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.212516.6338@csi.uottawa.ca> gagnon@aix1.uottawa.ca (
>7183) writes:>Hi,
>>   I can't do an SVGA ON! I go to a DOS full screen session, and when I type
>>SVGA ON, it just replies with the usage text, just as if I only type SVGA!?!

>What kind of SVGA card do you have ?

I have wierd hardware - a PixelWorks Whirlwin 1280 card that uses a
Chips & Technologies VGA and 8514/a chip.  I think it's pretty obvious
that SVGA won't recognize this sucker.

Kevin
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From: kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Using OS/2 Icons (Re: OS/2 Icons)
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.1992Nov11.110445.935
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: Computervision, San Diego CA

In article <1992Nov10.180028.3235@leland.Stanford.EDU>, wkn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ken Neighbors) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.154707.26088@spock.UUCP> kurgan@spock.uucp (Andrew Twyman) writes:
>>	Can anyone tell me if it is possible to access the built in OS/2
>>icons for use on programs?  Also, how can one transfer Windows .ICO files
>>to OS/2?  Thank's in advance.
> 
> I had to open the settings on the OS/2 object, "edit" the icon, and save
> it as a file.  Then you can use the icon for any object you want, although
> it's a royal pain to select an icon. (Open Settings, General, Find, Locate,
> Path, OK, Find, OK.)  OS/2 is going to wear out my mouse!
> 
> Is there a better way?  I wish I could skip the step of having to save the
> icon in a file, and just use the icon of another object.

What would be really nice is some kind of drag and drop feature, similar to
changing fonts by dragging the font onto the object.  Sure would be great to
select and Icon and then drop it on the object you wish to change.

Ken
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From: kotulla@cardhu.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Axel Kotulla)
Subject: DCF/2 (was Re: Stacker OS/2)
Reply-To: kotulla@cardhu.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Axel Kotulla)
Organization: RWTH Aachen, Deutschland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:38:27 GMT

Hey,

could someone post the adress of  Proportional Software, because I
didn't see any
anouncement of DCF/2 here in Germany and I need a data compression for OS/2.

Thannks in advance.

Axel Kotulla (E-Mail: axel@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de)
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Port of unix 'find' on OS/2?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:32:05 GMT

In <1992Nov6.234042.19189@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>For those of you who would rather just buy the program, MKS sells a
>toolkit that contains a complete wuite of unix utilities (including
>the desired 'find' program) for both dos and os/2.

True, and, while I only own the DOS version of their package (and an
older one at that), I have to say that their stuff is, for the most
part, excellent.  Nay, outstanding!  If only their upgrades weren't
quite so pricey.  :-(

It's also worth mentioning that the CMD.EXE replacement 4OS2.EXE has a
built-in command GLOBAL which can substitute for `find' in many cases,
and will probably operate much faster.  (At least the 4DOS GLOBAL
command is much faster than the MKS-DOS `find' command.)

4OS2 can also be used to identify the type of executable files,
something which `file' (MKS or GNU) has problems with (as mentioned in
another thread).
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Don't you boys know NICE songs?"
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |                 -- Joe's mama
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: VGA text-mode font designer/loader?
Keywords: font VGA OS/2
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Oct25.102844.25944@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucgadkw@ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) writes:
>I have a custom screen fo (Sanskrit) which I use for all
>editing work.  I have twiddled with funny accents a lot of
>the chars in the range 224-255, and I've been using it for
>years with no complaints under DOS.  Over the years there
>have been several programs available which allowed one to
>replace default EGA/VGA fonts with a customized one, and 
>that's the sort of prog I've got used to using.  The 
>current one I use is pd and was put out by PCMag, and is
>called LOADFONT.  It does a lot, and is tiny and free.
>This still works in a DOS window, but not under OS/2, since
>a DOS prog run from the OS/2 command line makes a screen-reset
>happen.

If there is a Sanskrit code page (could be), I would use that (set by
the CODEPAGE line in CONFIG.SYS).

In your DOS full screen sessions, go ahead and use your DOS utility.
But run it from a DOS full screen command line, not from the OS/2
command line (unless you use the START /FS command).

>On a related theme, when one opens a DOS windowed session, one can
>choose from a range of different sized screen text fonts.  Is there
>a way of getting at these, and changing the charset?  Are they
>loaded from code-page files?  Has anyone done anything with this?

The code page is changed using the CHCP command (either DOS or OS/2
session).  The font size is a systemwide global for windowed sessions,
although you can change it manually for each individual window.  Look
in the menu in the upper left hand corner of your text window.

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From: GG.MPD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michael Durket)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: theory about deskpic
Date: 5 Nov 1992 09:39:42 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <Bx92Kp.MvD@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>,
karls@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Karl Schroeder) writes:
>....
>   Now, I had noticed before that when pulse was running and I put pmglobe into
>`draw at low priority' mode, the system could lock.  So I have two cases of
>graphical programs which run at lowest priority locking the system ONLY when
>pulse is running.
>...

A program I wrote for OS/2 character mode also has the same problem.
A user was experiencing really weird behavior, then happened to
mention that Pulse was running at the time. I told her to remove
Pulse from the system and all was well.

There is something REALLY STRANGE about Pulse. You'd think it would
be just a simple "cycle soaker" but it seems to be much more than
that. I've ditched it from all my OS/2 systems and advised others
to do the same....

Mike Durket
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From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Subject: Problems with TE-2 commm program
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:13:02 GMT


Hi,
I cant get the file downloads in "te". I use ZModem. After typing
"sz ..." at Unix machines, a download window does come up in "te" but it
aborts after 3,4 seconds without xferring a single char [and damn thing
plays a music then :-)]. My modem is 14.4 K (Supra Faz Modem). 
I was using Telix up until yesterday and it worked pretty well (except
occasinal upload problems).

I thank you for your help in advance.

--nasir
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Corel DRAW! 2.5 for OS/2?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:02:02 GMT


Does anyone know if this can actually be purchsed? It has been out for two
months, but the local distributor (Renaissance Software) seems to be dragging
it's heels. 

Right now, it is far easier to get a pirated copy than it is to
get the real thing. I'm sure the Corel folks won't be happy to know that the
black market is way NZ OS/2 users can get their product!
 
It's a bit frustrating for me to call customers back and have them tell me
they have obtained a copy  "by other means".
 
I have yet to sell one copy. The distributor has yet to actually own one copy
- they got theirs from IBM.
 
Not good enough!
 
Steve

 
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From: cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: So how do I get 256 colors now?
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:52:44 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

Based on the advice from several of you, I did the Selective Install
to get my 640x480x256 resolution and everything seems to have worked
just fine.
 
For the benefit of anyone reading this who wants to know the process
I followed:
 
   - From DOS: SVGA OFF
   - OS/2 system folder to Selective Install
   - Mark primary display, and ok
   - Mark SVGA (mine was already on)
   - More ok's...
   - Finally it asked for Disk 6 (the GA - OS/2 2.0 product disks)
   - It went through many of them.
   - Then it asks for the resolution.
   - Finally, inserted the Display diskettes from the Service Pak.
   - Reboot
   - From DOS: SVGA ON
 
Now Gary Hennigan suggested using just DSPINSTL from an OS/2 prompt.
I read that too late to try it myself, but sounds like a good short-
cut.
 
I saved a DIR /S listing before and after my procedure and compared.
I found that some font files had changed (HELV, TIMES, COURIER) and
gotten larger. I don't know if it picked these off of the GA disks
or the CSD disks. Anyone know? It also replaced IBMVGA32.DLL and
IBMDEV32.DLL (which could only have come from the CSD). Also, we
added WSPDT480.DRV and WSST480.DRV (or something like that, my
post-it is a little fuzzy where I wrote that done).
 
My SWAPPER.DAT runs a little large now (I saw it around 8M when I
had a few things open). So it goes. I'm happy. Thanks to those who
offered advice on this.
 
Chris Russell
From: cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: So how do I get 256 colors now?
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:29:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

Well the service pack installed just fine. Now the problem I'm
working on is trying to get 640x480x256 on my ET4000 (Renoir)
card. I don't have a Welcome folder. If I go into System Setup
it says that I'm running SVGA, but I don't see on option
anywhere there for changing the screen resolution (or tell me
what I'm running now, which I presume is 640x480x16). The
README's all talk around this. Would one of you experts who have
figured this out give me a clue or two?
 
Chris Russell
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:59:41 GMT

In article <45316@ogicse.ogi.edu> francis@atmos.cse.ogi.edu (Francis Moraes) writes:
>I just talked to Corporate Software about getting TCP/IP for OS/2. They had
>two things: a base kit for $130 and a total kit for $442. The total kit
>includes the base kit plus the extended kit, the NFS kit and the X-windows
>kit. Does anyone know what these kits are? All I want to do is run X apps
>over an ethernet on my PC along with the local software. Thanks.

You'll want the base plus X Windows package -- the total kit is a
little too large (and expensive).  Get the TCP/IP announcement file
from /pub/os2/all/info on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, get the part numbers for
base and X Windows, then request those two part numbers from Corporate
Software (or IBM's educational orders line -- see the FAQ List for the
number).

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From: liu@eternite.gel.ulaval.ca (Min Liu)
Subject: OS2 hidden files???
Originator: liu@eternite
Organization: Universite Laval
Distribution: y
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:36:44 GMT

Hi there,
	I have os2 installed in my 486/33 for a couple of months. Because of
some special requirements I have to delete all the os2 system for a while and
use dos only. After I deleted all the os2 related files and directory, including
some hidden system files, I still have problem with my machine. Each time
when I boot from the harddisk, I always have following two lines of error
messages:
os/2 !! sys01475
os/2 !! sys02027
and the system blocked.

I have checked my harddisk carefully and haven't find any os/2 related files.
I don't know which causes these messages. The problem is that I have to boot
from diskette now. 

Please help if you know any solutions. Thanks in advance!

liu@gel.ulaval.ca

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From: stimpy@nmt.edu (John Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Microsoft C++ 7.0
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:22:16 GMT

In article <4802@equinox.unr.edu> bmobley@unssun.UUCP (Brian Mobley) writes:
>Where can I found the OS/2 hosted version of Microsoft C++ 7.0? I thought it 
>was available on hobbes, but I couldn't find it.

As far as I know, there is no OS/2 *hosted* version of Microsoft C++ 7.0,
and if there was, it sure wouldn't be at hobbes ($$$ :-). My microsoft
6.0 (which I don't use anymore thank you) produces 16-bit OS/2 code,
but I've heard through the grapevine that 7.0 doesn't produce OS/2 code
at all......


-Jr


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From: schuster@isa.de (Thilo Schuster)
Subject: Re: Problems setting up TRN
Organization: ISA GmbH, Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:07:57 GMT


Hello Jeff,

What kind of filesystem do you use ? HPFS or FAT ?
TRN for OS/2 needs a HPFS partition for creating it's support files
like .newsrc and for the news directory tree.

What are the entries concerning trn in trn.rc and uupc.rc  ? Do you use
/ or \ as separator for the directories ? TRN uses / like *NIX system.


greets,

    	    Thilo

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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: DeScribe 4.0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:34:49 GMT

zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

>gkushmer@jade.tufts.edu (Greg Kushmerek) writes:

>> For anyone interested:  I just received my DeScribe 4.0 free upgrade offer
>> in the mail yesterday.  If you haven't gotten one then it should be
>> coming soon!

Is DeScribe 4.0 an OS/2 app?  I think I remember seeing here on the net that
it is.  What does it cost for a new user and are there any competitive
upgrade offers?

Is it a wysiwyg word processor?  How does it handle equations and file
imports, like cgm, pict, eps, hpgl,...?  How does it compare to Ami Pro 2.0?

Thanks for any and all help,

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>Please post your impression of it as soon as you can...

>I'm very curious to see how this compares to other products...

>Greg


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From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: how to run dvips32?
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:21:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.141152.17328@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, kdorma@ravana.eche.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) writes:
> Given:  OS/2 2.0, emTeX (tex386) in working condition
>         INITeX was performed
>         MFJOB ALL also done (not using mf386 'cause it says something about
>                              "warning, requires emx 0.8 or greater")

1. Put emx.dll in \emx\dll\.
2. Add the directory to your LIBPATH statement in config.sys
3. re-boot.


> How in the world do I install/run dvips32???  
> I don't find the documentation to be a lot of help.

Sinha's port of dvips is immediately ready for emtex. Unzip it. Make sure
that the entries in \emtex\ps\config.ps point to the right places. NOTE:
a '*' is a COMMENT-line in this file. If config.ps is not in c:\emtex\ps\,
then set TEXCONFIG to point to the directory containing config.ps.
The documentation in dvips.tex is quite clear about this.

Note that there is a companion file in pub/os2/all/emtex/ for OS/2 1.x and
MSDOS. These are versions 5.490; Rokicki has warned that versions before
5.495 have problems with more than 21 fonts (per page?).

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From: kurgan@spock.uucp (Andrew Twyman)
Subject: OS/2 Icons
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:47:07 GMT

	Can anyone tell me if it is possible to access the built in OS/2
icons for use on programs?  Also, how can one transfer Windows .ICO files
to OS/2?  Thank's in advance.
					-Andrew Twyman
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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: Port of unix 'find' on OS/2?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:35:32 GMT

In article <exujlg.163.0@exu.ericsson.se> exujlg@exu.ericsson.se (Jon L. Gauthier) writes:
>I downloaded gnufind, but it expects to find a file called 'emxlibc'.
>What is this?  What happened to emx ports expecting 'emx.dll'?  Where do I 
>find this 'emxlibc' file?  Help!!!

I have repeatedly tried to send you e-mail, but your address seems to be
unknown.

The emxlibc.dll file is part of EMX 0.8e, it contains the C runtime
library (there is a way in EMX 0.8e to link programs with the C library
in the DLL to have only one copy of it for many programs on disk).

To avoid packing emx.dll and emxlibc.dll into the .zip/.zoo of every GNU
software port separately, I had (at the same time) uploaded an archive
called EMXRUNTM.ZIP to ftp-os2 for those users who don't have the
complete EMX system installed. Get this one.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Denise Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Systos Tape backup for OS/2
Keywords: UW term multi windows
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:49:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.234905.19791
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Can someone give me the specs on Systos tape backup?  Will it work with
QIC-40 tapes (Mountain 40 meg tape drive)?

thanks!
From: francis@atmos.cse.ogi.edu (Francis Moraes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: What tape backup to you use with OS/2 ??
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:29:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45509
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Atmospheric Sciences, Beaverton, OR

In article jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster) writes:
>
>I have a Colorado Jumbo 120MB tape drive that I bought before I got OS/2.
.
.
.
>"according to the powers that be, there will be an OS/2 solution available
>by the end of the year." He said it probably wouldn't be free, but I'll
>just be happy to have something to back up my HPFS drive. 

Oh great, CMS puts out a wonderfully awkward software product for its tape
drive which won't run under DesqView _or_ OS/2 (they may have fixed the
problem with DV by now) and then they want to charge their users for an
OS/2 version of the program that no one should need anyway (because the DOS
version ought to work under OS/2). I guess you get what you pay for, CMS
is cheap...

francis@eeyore.atmos.ogi.edu		<== note the address
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