From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: conversion to judaism / Center for Pol
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:34:36 GMT
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In article <1993Jan24.232704.23184@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com writes:
>In article <1jt5t2INNd25@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>In article <1jkl20INNqks@manuel.anu.edu.au> Brendan wrote:
>>>In article 14967@cirrus.com, chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:

>>>>[Chris:]
>>>>You and Wayne and MEQ consistantly
>>>>label Jews and Zionists as racists, as you have done above. 

>>>[Brendan:]
>>>What kind of vicious lie is this?  No posting in the MEQ series,
>>>nor any posting of its editor (me) has ever labelled Jews and
>>>Zionists (in general) as racists.  Let's see if you are adult
>>>enough to prove your claim or apologise.

>MEQ #12.  Chaim Weizmann expresses his admiration of Arabs.

So?  I posted the actual words of ONE Jew+Zionist.
I didn't even comment on it, apart from the title, though it is
VERY VERY clear that anyone who wrote similar things about Jews
would be instantly stomped on and you would be first in line.

What does that say about my views on Jews or Zionists in general?
Did I claim that the views Weizmann expresses are representative 
of Jews or Zionists in general?  Why don't you analyse Weizmann's 
words for us?  Are they racist?  Are they representative?  Of who?  
I will repeat MEQ#12 below for your convenience.

While you are at it, why not contribute something to the MEQ series
yourself?  Just send me your favorite quote and be prepared to
argue about sources and context.  If I decide to accept it, you
will get a chance to veto the final product.  

>-- Chris Metcalfe

Brendan.

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      MEQ #12.  Chaim Weizmann expresses his admiration of Arabs.

   Dear Mr Balfour,
   ...
   The Arabs who are superficially clever and quick witted, worship one
   thing and one thing only---power and success.  ... The British
   Authorities ... knowing as they do the treacherous nature of the Arab,
   they have to watch carefully and constantly that nothing should happen
   which might give the Arabs the slightest grievance or ground of complaint.
   In other words, the Arabs have to be 'nursed' lest they should stab the
   Army in the back.  The Arab, quick as he is to gauge such a situation,
   tries to make the most of it.  He screams as often as he can and
   blackmails as much as he can.
   ...
   The fairer the English regime tries to be, the more arrogant the Arab
   becomes.  It must also be taken in to consideration that the Arab
   official knows the language, habits and ways of the country, is a 'roue'
   [Fr. sly, wily -bdm] and therefore has a great advantage over the fair
   and clean-minded English official, who is not conversant with the
   subtleties of the Oriental mind.  So the English are 'run' by the Arabs.
   ...
   The present state of affairs would necessarily tend toward the creation
   of an Arab Palestine, if there were an Arab people in Palestine.  It will
   not in fact produce that result because the fellah is at least four
   centuries behind the times, and the effendi (who, by the way, is the
   real gainer from the present system) is dishonest, uneducated, greedy,
   and as unpatriotic as he is inefficient.

   [extract from letter written by Chaim Weizmann, leader of the Zionist
   Commission in Palestine, later President of the World Jewish Congress
   and President of Israel; 30 May 1918]

   Source: Doreen Ingrams, Palestine Papers 1917-1922 (Murray, 1972).
   Pages 31-32, quoting Foreign Office official archives.

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Middle East Quotes is an occasional series of quotations on Middle
East history.  The editor does not necessarily approve of the sentiments
expressed in quotes, nor will he necessarily join in any discussion
they engender.  Contributions are welcome but will not necessarily be
accepted.  Full sources are essential.      Brendan McKay.


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