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From: jdb1@kepler.unh.edu (Jonathan D Baumgartner)
Subject: Genesis (again)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:04:18 GMT

Could someone send me the list of the US/UK differences among Genesis
albums?  I know this was posted before, but I lost it.

Thanks.

fish on ..


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From: woodcock@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Brad Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Looking for "LEGEND" soundtrack...!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:17:43 GMT

The soundtrack is available on CD, however, it has been out of print for
a LONG time, and the music is not done by Tangerine Dream, or Bryan Ferry
or Anderson.  There is a version of the soundtrack done by some orchestra
that is available on CD but it is amazingly rare.  I have been told by
quite a large number of people that the version with Tangerine Dream, etc
is NOT available on CD, however, I was also told by a rare-music collector
that he had a copy of it at home.  When I wrote to Tangerine Dream, the
only answer I got was that I should write to the people responsible for
the album version and tell them I want them to re-release the album in
CD form.  They never addressed the question of wether it had ever been
released in CD form before.  To make matters worse, I know I have held
a version of the Legend soundtrack, on CD in my very own hands.  I don't
know what version it was though.  I didn't have enough money to buy it at
the time and I assumed that it would be available later if I wanted to pick
one up.  Sigh.

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From: reggel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans-Juergen Reggel)
Subject: Re: Taping CD's; Dolby-S vs dbx
Originator: reggel@hphalle7b.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:19:23 GMT


|> I have an outboard dbx box which I transferred to a new deck having
|> Dolby S last year. So I've been able to compare both on the same
|> deck. Dolby S is definitely more listenable when not properly
|> decoded (as in a car). Also I have not been able to detect 'pumping'
|> and other compander artifacts as with dbx. I've pretty much abandoned
|> dbx for new recordings.
|> 

Dolby S surely is more listenable when not decoded, because it was designed to 
do so. You can playback Dolby S recordings at Dolby-B setting without influence
on the frequency response. You only have a smaller dynamic range, which is 
better for car & walkmen. It may even sound 'better' on those machines.
Dolby S may produce less 'breathing' than dbx, but Dolby S has no acceptable
S/N ratio. It may be that Dolby S breathing is not heared because it is
below tape noise.
For all tape freaks out there: Try and get a SANYO SUPER-D noise reduction.
It's the best noise redution dor analog tapes. It improves S/N of the tape
35-40 dB and produces nearly no breathing because it uses two bands
for encoding/decoding. But it needs perfect calibration.

DEATH TO DOLBY!

                                                Greetings from Germany,
                                                        Hans-Juergen
From: andyy@visionware.co.uk (Andy Yates)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Where is Chris Rea from?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:26:28 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
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Chris Rea is from Middlesbrough or thereabouts in North East England.
All I know about him I'm afraid.

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From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: New Cd error ? - skipping initially
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:52:42 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

some further information :

I just tried the CD on the two NAD CD players that are used by the
campus radio station.

Both players are exactly the same.

The CD worked on one of them and not on the other !

Hell, go figure...

For those interested, the CD is Pet Shop Boys "Live Wires" (KTS).
From: freudent@vlsi3.ultra.nyu.edu (Eric Freudenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: info on mastering of cd-roms
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:51:37 GMT
Organization: /a/users/freudent/.organization

I am interested in mastering a cd-rom.  Please send me mail if you
have a pointer to any services that do this.  Thanks, Eric.
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From: pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: RUBBER BISCUIT!
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: carroll1.3265
Reply-To: pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman)
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI


	Does anybody know what Blues Brother Album the song "Rubber Biscuit"
appears on?  Or can I get the single somewhere.

thanks{

--
Paul J. Wickman - Analyst/Programmer  Harnischfeger Corporation
Internet: pwickman@carroll1.cc.edu

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"
From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Poor Quality of Queen Live at Wembley '86
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:36:59 GMT

In <derrick.711257676@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> derrick@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson) writes:
>Adrian.Fernandes%nautical@r-node.gts.org (Adrian Fernandes) writes:

>>Mark Dobie,
>> 
>>Have you heard "Live in Budapest" by Queen?  It's a much better
>>concert.

>Okay I'll bite - Where can I buy the CD of the Budapest concert?

You can't.

>and what is the date of that performance.

27th July 1986.

				Mark (I reckon Wembley is just as good).
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.music.progressive
From: blindsay@bcarh773.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Re: King Crimson / Discipline question
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:07:26 GMT

In article <AeOtxLa00VRS4C4xUh@andrew.cmu.edu> sm6h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen P. Marting) writes:
>Excerpts from alt.music.progressive: 20-Jul-92 King Crimson / Discipline
>question by "Clive Backham"@mcdd1.uucp 
>> I just bought the Fripp-remastered "Definitive Edition" of
>> Discipline by King Crimson on CD. Does anyone know whether Fripp 
>> has explained why he removed one of the guitar parts from the track
>> "Matte Kudasai"?
>>  
>> BTW, I am comparing it to the vinyl release. Is the missing guitar
>> part present on the original CD release (which I never bought)?
>
>My CD of Discipline appears to be the standard (before the '89
>remasterings) version.  The only Crimson CDs that I have that were
>remastered are Red (yes!) and In the Court of the Crimson King.  The
>version of Matte Kudasai on there is identical (I haven't noticed a
>difference, anyways) with the version I had on one of the compilation
>tapes (The Compleat King Crimson, I believe, although it might have been
>the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson) that was released before the
>remasterings.
>
>So I believe the remastered version is the only one with the missing track.
>
>--

I compared 3 versions of this track: (1) the original LP release (1981);
(2) the version contained on "The Compact King Crimson" (released 1986);
and (3) the version on "The Essential King Crimson" (1991). 

(2) and (3) were identical (missing Fripp's guitar track). So this
means that the change was NOT a result of the official "Definitive
Edition" remasterings. It is interesting that from 2:35 to 2:50 of
the song, there is an entirely different guitar solo (ie. (1) does
not have the solo that is on (2/3)). (1) definitely
is a Fripp solo, and on (2/3), it may be a Belew solo instead.

It would be interesting to compare the Warner U.S. pre-Definitive CD
with a UK pre-Definitive CD.     


not the case that (1) has two 

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From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou)
Subject: Re: Taping CD's (about dbx)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:27:08 GMT

wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman) writes:

>My tape deck has 2 forms (?) of noise reduction, Dolby and dbx.  On
>the dbx side, it has settings for "tape" and "disc".  I bought the 
>stereo sans owner's manuals.  Does the "disc" refer to compact disc?

I have a Technics, and it has the same Noise Reduction setup thing.
This is what the brochure says:

	dbx: sound without noise

	Recording tape is not equipped to accept the enormous differences
	in volume leves, or dynamic range, of a live performance.
	WHen up to 110 db of dynamic range must be squeezed
	onto a tape that can only handle about 70dB, the softer
	passages are masked by tape hiss and the louder passages
	are noticeably distorted.  dbx eliminates the problem. 
	DUring recording, dbx compresses the music's dynamic range
	so the tape can handle it effortlessly.  THen during
	playback, dbx restores the original dynamic range, up to 110dB.
	This "compansion" process eliminates tape hiss by reducing
	noise by at least 30dB throught the audio spectrum, below
	audible levels.  And it increases headroom by about 10dB to accept
	even the loudest signals without distorting.  dbx isn't
	just confined to tapes, either; more and more dbx-encoded discs
	are now being produced...


Anyway, you use dbx the same way as you do other NR systems like Dolby.
YOu just press the dbx buttom when you record, and press it when
you play a dbx-encoded recording.  I think dbx does a whole lot more
than Dolby, but it's not as common, and if you try playing a dbx-encoded
recording without dbx, it doesn't work.  

The dbx disc button is for playing dbx-encoded records, if you have any.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jacob@max.cc.brandeis.edu ( )
Subject: how to get 800 numbers (was Re: Tower Records)
Organization: Brandeis University Math Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.204846.27252@bnr.ca> jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.195335.6470@meaddata.com>, derrick@meaddata.com (Derrick Tatem) writes:
>|> Hi all,
>|>        Anyone out there knows the 800 number to Tower Records. Thanks.
>|> -- 
>|> Derrick M. Tatem
>|> Mead Data Central, Dayton, Ohio
>|> Internet: derrick@meaddata.com
>|> UUCP:     !uunet!meaddata!derrick
>
>Yep.  The NY mail order no is:
>
>800-648-4844 

Not many folks out there seem to realize that an easier way to get an 800
number than posting a query such as the above and waiting for an answer,
is to simply call the 800 directory assistance number 1-800-555-1212...
Just as any other 800 call, such a call is free.
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:12:37 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: jer@salad.visus.com's message of 24 Jul 92 16:09:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.160925.6075@visus.com> jer@salad.visus.com (Jerry Jantz) writes:
   -type II for type II cassetes when recording
   -normal for type II cassetes during playback



If you do this, the playback equalization will be different from the
recording equalization. In particular, this will lead to a brighter
sound on the tape. Fine if you like bright sound, but not so good if
you want a reasonably accurate copy of the original. Personally I find
the most satisfactory solution is to use metal tape, with the usual
deck settings; no dolby; and carefully set gain levels. Or use DAT and
copy the bits directly...

rs
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Where is Chris Rea from?
Keywords: rea
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:37:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <7911@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> shmulevi@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Ilya Shmulevich) writes:
>Could someone please tell me where Chris Rea is from? His music sounds like
>he is from the United States, but he is certainly more popular in Europe.

I'm pretty sure he's British.


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From: mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano)
Subject: Re: Looking for "LEGEND" soundtrack...!
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:38:58 GMT

In article <84094@netnews.upenn.edu> jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:

>
>This version of the soundtrack is from the European release.  The music is
>not TD, but instead, I believe, Jerry Goldsmith.
>
>I'm sure someone out there knows who it is for sure...
>
>Kevin

  It is indeed by Jerry Goldsmith.  And the score is brilliant!  Especially
  the music at the beginning of the movie is so magical, haunting...words
  fail me, but it fits the film perfectly.

  I'd give away my right arm to see the movie with the TD score, though...
  Well - lend it anyway.

	- Mika

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From: acgd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (andrew.charles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Will the new Mini Disk format make it?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:18:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul22.174534.11109@aero.org> clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson) writes:
>I've been hearing some info about Sony's new CD-like format called
>"Mini Disk".  It's a 3" optical read/write disk encased in a rigid
>plastic shell (sorta like 3.5" floppy disk shells).  It uses sound
>compression methods to allow 90 minutes of music to be stored at
>CD-level quality.

Both the Phillips DCC and the Sony mini-disc use "lossy" compression in
storing the data. That is, the compression techniques throw away information
which models of human hearing predict would not be audible anyway. Whether
they are right remains to be seen (heard).

Most of the major and semi-major audio magazines seem to have had articles
on both formats within the last year. You can also check the archives
of rec.audio for more information and opinion than you'll probably care
to read.

I heard DCC at the Summer CES at Chicago. Unfortunately it was playing
some (IMHO) over-produced studio pop and could only be listened to through
headphones in a noisy hall. In those circumstances I'd say it sounded as
good (bad) as anything else would have.

Andrew Charles
acgd@ihlpl.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD))
Subject: Re: Will the new Mini Disk format make it?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.174534.11109@aero.org> clare@aero.org
(Clare Waterson) writes:
>I've been hearing some info about Sony's new CD-like format called
>"Mini Disk".  It's a 3" optical read/write disk encased in a rigid
>plastic shell (sorta like 3.5" floppy disk shells).  It uses sound
>compression methods to allow 90 minutes of music to be stored at
>CD-level quality.
[deleted]
>
>There is a competing technology called Digital Compact Cassette (DCC)
>which is slated to come out on September 1.
[deleted]
>The tapes
>are reputed to not be quite up to CD-level quality.  And, obviously,
>tape is jot a random access medium like CDs or Mini Disks.
[deleted]

Actually, I think both new formats use a similar compression scheme.
I don't remember claims that mini-disc will sound better than DCC, but
rather that BOTH are worse than CDs and DAT (and high quality analog).
Based on what I've read in Popular Science, the compression is based
on removing the quiet details buried by the louder parts. For those
into true Hi-Fi, both formats will probably be ignored (they'd prefer
DAT or high quality analog tape decks).

The main advantage of both new formats over CDs is their insensitivity
to shock/shakes/vibrations, etc, thus making them well suited to car
and personal/portable music systems.

The other advantage is obviously that they can RECORD as well as play
back pre-recorded tapes/discs. However, I've read that a recordable
CD is in the works, so this advantage may not last long.  

IMO, where these formats will offer the biggest gain for consumers
is in terms of replacing pre-recorded music cassettes. I've yet to
hear a pre-recorded cassette even remotely "Hi-Fi". They tend to
be vary shades of bad. But with digital recording, the difference
between home recorded and store bought recordings should be about
zilch. Both will sound quite good.

This is probably why many favor the DCC over the mini-disc. The
target market for both new formats is those people who primarily
buy music on cassette. Having a compatible format like DCC is then,
quite obviously, a big advantage with these consummers, as their
old cassette collection remains playable with the new format.

If the price is right, I might look into the mini-disc, but as of
now the DCC looks a lot more attractive. I'll continue buying CDs
for pre-recorded music, and get DCC for portable/car (recording
the tapes from CD).

Scott.
-- 
Scott Hannon, Wed Jul 22 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
From: eggenberger@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Columbia membership in Europe
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:20:39 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

I was a member of Columbia when I lived in California. The
collection and the prices were okay in my opinion. Does
anybody know if Columbia ships to Switzerland or Europe
in general. If the answer is yes, do you know how much
they charge for shipping and taxes?

Thanks, Chips
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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:56:59 GMT

I received the August 1992 issue of Stereophile yesterday and found in it 
a VERY interesting entry reporting on Sony's new Super Bit Mapping 
(SBM) mastering technology.  Sony has come up with a way to provide "nearly 
20-bit resolution from CD--without changing the CD format or existing playback 
hardware."  The graphics in the article showed how the new mastering technique 
dramatically improves the encoding in at least 3 ways: (1) the noise floor is 
lowered; (2) harmonic distortion generated by truncation in the standard 16-bit
mastering is dramatically limited; and (3) a 100 Hz sinewave at -90 db
_looks_ much more like a sinewave rather than the stairstep representation 
generated by standard 16-bit mastering.  The reviewer was very excited about 
the musical effects of this technology!  The only problem is that Sony plans 
to make the initial releases employing this technology on their Legacy label 
with specially packaged CDs that have gold rather than aluminum reflective 
surfaces (similar to Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab's Ultradiscs).  Thus, the price 
is expected to be a steep $24.  However, the technology is eventually expected 
to filter down to all CD mastering.

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA                  >
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates)
Subject: Once again, Columbia House 800 number request...?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:17:43 GMT


    Sorry to do this (about 10 times a week, right?), but could someone
please email me the Columbia House CD Club 800 number for ordering and 
changing addresses?  Thank you profusely.

	Andy Bates.
From: bondt@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Piet de Bondt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:54:05 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

>No doubt these questions have been asked before but I just began receiving
>this part of the net so no flames.
> 
>Should I leave DOLBY on when taping a CD? When playing the tape?
>If I have a type II cassette should I record onto the tape with the tape 
>machine set for T-II or something else?
>And any other advice people can give.

You should not copy CD's but buy them ! Just kiddin', this is NOT a flame !
From: jerry@nutmeg.hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:38:36 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <malcolm.711994295@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
> Take something like a knife - it can be
> used for a lot of good things, or to injure and kill people. You can't make
> knives illegal just because one way to use them is prohibited or illegal.   


Well, come to Massachusetts . . .

What do a gun and a double-edged knife have in common?  
It's illegal to carry either.

What's the difference between a gun and a double-edged knife?
You can get a permit to carry a gun, but you can't get a permit to 
carry a double-edged knife!

. . . back to CDs. . . .
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