HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese)
Subject: Re: Passport to Crime -- news report from Canada
Organization: /writer/wcfac/ron/.organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:41:09 GMT

### On 11 Nov 92 22:34:39 GMT, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) said:
Mr% Nntp-Posting-Host: netix.com

Mr% Sherry forwarded a good article to this group at good time. 
Mr% Da4Li4Biao3Yang2.

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Hmm...it seems Mr Shannon Yeh has lots of spare time to dorate
something even not important.

He seemly has strong financial support for his living so he can keep
on SCC.

--ming
--
This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy, Info needed
Reply-To: zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:46:34 GMT

The large companies like IBM generally don't hire foreigners, not because
you are foreigner(or they are discreminating). It's because that will cause
them a lot of work and money to make you stay in the States legally. I
received an applying package from IBM. It says they have 1 million applicants
every year, whereas they only recuite arround 10 thousand a year. In the
package, there are some forms applicants need to fill out to show he/she can
stay here legally( e.g. green carder, citizeng, assylum, or your are covered
under Bush's Order). They are just not short of best applicant. 

In article <101657@bu.edu>, gao@griffon.bu.edu (Yong Gao) writes:
> Hi,
>         Does anyone know IBM's hiring policy for foreign nationals,
especially
> those from mainland China? One of IBM's department wants to hire me, but
> the personnel people are not sure whether they can hire me because my student
> visa status. I heard that some Chinese students did get hired by IBM, but I
> don't know any specific case.  Any advice and/or information will be greatly
> appreciated!
> 
>         Yong Gao
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29722 talk.politics.china:2508
From: chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:12:22 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.180301.9523@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>
>>I did not want get involved in this kind of thing, but I feel 'forced'
>>to as a 'Chinese'. Why should all chinese people feel shamed when
>>a perticuplar guy feel shamed on a perticular issue? 
>
>On this particular issue, it is a shame. No you don't have to feel
>the same way as I do. You could be proud of that. But many people are
>not proud of not having the voting right. American women and blacks did
>not have voting right before, but they were not proud of that and
>they fought, they won it. Those American are D-fighters too.

What you should be ashamed of, Mr.xiao-lin li, is keeping presenting your
embarrassingly awkward 101 homeworks on the network and beliving they are 
sort of "deep-thinking". 

Is it true that if people can't be anything else, they can always be a 
self-employed philosopher?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:13:38 GMT

>In article <BxHB42.1IG@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>>the US president election. 
>
>>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
>>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>>popular votes so they are usually unknown

I have been to US for over two years and have never had the right to
have a popular vote yet.  Why don't you give us some opinion about the
candidates, such as their opinion about my country, PRC, of course, about
the Protection Bill, about the (U)MFN, and then I could have the right
to vote?  People are talking we Chinese do not have right to vote but
let us first have a right to vote in the 50k Chinese community.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guo@ecf.toronto.edu (GUO David Wei)
Subject: Re: ASIA CUP
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:10:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.031900.14917@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.211516.1@csvaxd.csuohio.edu> hchen@csvaxd.csuohio.edu writes:
>>   
>>UAE and Japan will advance to semi-finals from group A.
>>     
>>(*) Japan forward Kazu Miura scored the only goal in the 87th minute.
>>    Jamshid Shah Mohammadi was sent off in the 53rd minute (it is not
>>    stated why) and Japan "exploited his absence". Nader Mohammad Khani 
>>    was also sent off (for "tripping up" a Japanese player).
>>    Farshad Peyoos was also shown the red card "for disputing a call
>>    by the Syrian referee". In other words, three Iranian players
>>    were expelled. I did not see the game except for Japan's goal.
>>    But three expelled players suggests that Iran was dissatisfied
>>    with the refereeing process. This is kind of smelly to me.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Holly cow! They scored only one goal with a three-man advantage??!!
>They are hopeless! China will win this time for sure!(if they face
>Japan, that is)

Do you still remember how Kuwait beat China in the second game of
World Cup qualifying in 82? If referee want do something which will
be more effective than 11 players's effort.

Japanese soccer improves a lot in recent years, Japan convincingly beat
China by score 2 : 0 in Beijing's Worker's Stadium thsi summer and
drew a long time, standing cheers from 50,000 Beijing fans.

China will have a hard time in coming semifinal that's for sure.
It looks to me that China will tie Japan 0 : 0 in overtime and
win the game by penalty kicks 5 : 4.

 
>
>Netters with thousand-mile eyes please keep us informed.
>
>Fan
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:56:09 GMT

From article <141193@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, by tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov:
> In article <1992Nov11.033929.25283@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
> ->......
> ->What Peng Wu said above is absolutely correct.  You can put whatever you 
> ->like in your finger record, being aware that everybody everywhere could 
> ->see it anytime.  But, nobody else has the right to distribute it, either 
> ->as a whole or in part, publically without your permission.  Ask people 
> ->around if you are still not sure.
> ->
> ->Excuse my repeat here, netters with high perception.  I hope this is my 
> ->last time!  Take it easy.
> 
> Well, I am not sure about whether he has the right to publicize your
> finger record or not, but the first impression I got when I saw what
> he did is that he was at least very rude, and moreover, he was showing
> weakness when he resolved to such low tactics.


Well, I've already put away my emotions except the dry 'technical' stuff 
to avoid the possible accusation on me for personal attacks!  :-)

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:18:31 GMT

In article <lg02reINNqqf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>These symptons are rarely happen in current Taiwan. But, in mainland of
>China, people seem to have become another race.

I think you meant that in mainland of China people seem still be the
same race that you used to be. Correct me if I am wrong.
From: yongkang@usc.edu (Yongkang Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What  can we learn from this asia cup?
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:40:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.1dni16INN49n
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


today i saw the 'People Daily', which talked about the the match between
China and Japan. From that , i knew we lost the game at the situation of 
11:10 , the japanese goalkeeper was driven off. and also we scored at the 
first minute.
even so, those guys could not defend very well, and the other goal was only 
due to the mistake of their substituted goalkeeper.

I was so disappointed. finally, japan won the champion , beating S. Arabia.
How can japanese do that, but chinese can't?
Why? Why?
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:01:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBK29.7As
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

>I want to express my gratefulness to the person for his showing off my 
>personal finger record (see his post entitled "Be honest. Don't be a running
>...' or below) AND my favorite writing there for my 'plan'! I never expected 
>that it was somebody else who showed off my favorites even without asking me 
>for any favor.  Otherwise I'd have had no chance to show them off myself.
>
>Though I reserve the ownership of my personal data and the right of its 

I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
to look at the file beside operators of the network?


|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|  Wen Zongyao  | Department of Biochemistry & Biophysics |
|_______________| College of Science                      |
|               | Oregon State University                 |
|  ~{NDWZR"~}   | From ~{Ll=rJPDO?*4sQ'~}                 |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:36:11 GMT

In article <6NOV199222022897@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>> 
>>Bush congratulated Clinton personally. He did not say "on behalf of the
>>American people I congratulate your victory". It's fine for IFCSS to suck
>>up to Clinton as a private organization(I am sure a lot of others do as well)
>>But it's another question for it to say or do something on behalf of others
>>when proper authorization does not seem to exist.
>> 
>>Fan
>> 
>Bush's congratulation is of curse of his own,they were competing with each
>other,weren't they ? While IFCSS's has to be from a group of people simply
>because of her name. As far as authorization is concerned,they might not 
>get your permission,but they are there representing us,and it is common
>sense for such organization to do things like sending congratulation letter
>to a new elected president.So they just did the thing they had to.Now you
>are questioning about their claim of being on behalf of 50,000 over seas CSS,
>then you tell me how they should write the letter.Wouldn't it be funny for
>them to say:"Congratulation Mr. Bill Clinton,we the committe members of IFCSS
>Geng Xiao,Zhao Haiqing,...hope you..."? On the other hand,it is Li3 Mao4
>to do so,haven't you seen so many congratulation letters being sent from 
>goverments all over the world? I bet Chinese goverment might have or will
>send their cogratulation too,which again may not on your behalf,not even
>on their own either.
>I think it is rediculous to ask a group's representitive to satisfy everyone
>of her member's taste.
>Do dozens of thousands Chinese students and scholars deserve to have an 
>organization to be on their behalf?  Do they always have be Yi1 Pan2 San3
>Sha1 ? Do they HAVE TO fight with each other to exaust themselves?
>If you do not like IFCSS or its policy,do you have better idea,or would you
>stand up and let people follow you?
>

OK, so let's just live with this human right abuse. Remember the guy who
cried on the net about his finger record being distributed without consent
by another guy? Believe it or not, it's not *just* me who is sick of someone
else claiming to act on his behalf.

Should we submit ourselves blindly to an organization just because it claims
to represent us? What do you think that caused China to be where it is today?
Are you for some kind of totalitarian rule? Don't we deserve to have some
dissidents on this issue as well? It *is* impossible for IFCSS to satisfy
everyone of its member's needs. That is exactly where the momentum of
"change" comes from. Now what would it be if all of us were the so called
"ruber stamps"?

Don't attach yourself to any political organization. That way you are bound
to be disappointed. The last word, is for all of us: Don't expect too much
from Clinton. When he runs the economy into a deeper slum, the Republicans
will take over for another 12 years.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:08:27 GMT

In article <BxHByy.6FC@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>
>	I've noticed that a number of families will sing
>Happy Birthday in  English, phonetically if they don't speak
>the language. Isn't there either a translation of the song
>or some traditional song to take it's place?
>
>---
>memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu

This is an interesting question. When we celebrated our friend's b-day
in university, we all sing the English "happy birthday". There *is* a
direct Chinese translation of the song(sure you'll figure it out) and
we did sing the Chinese version as well. We never sang any other songs
for this occasion(at least not when you blow out the candles or cut the cakes,
etc.) We did sing "Honey you walk bravely ahead" but that's after we got drunk.

Now I am sure there are netters old enough or of rural background who can 
tell what they sing on b-day. Hope these songs wouldn't become extinct! 
(Gee another cultural invasion by the deadly imperialist US of A. 
How do we counterstrike?)

Fan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:46:39 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
 <PWU.92Nov11194107@espresso.ai.mit.edu> <BxM8u9.5HD@cs.psu.edu>

 >From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
 >Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
 >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:32:32 GMT
 >
 >In article <PWU.92Nov11194107@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
writes:
 >>>>50K-1=50K
 >>> Therefor, 50K-50K =/= 0 ?
 >>If you remove one grain of sand from a pile of sand, you still have a pile of
 >>sand left.  If you remove the entire pile of sand, you have nothing left.
 >
 >Let's label the term "50K".
 >
 >50K_0 - 1 = 50K_1
 >50K_1 - 1 = 50K_2
 >...
 >50K_(n-1) - 1 = 50K_n
 >
 >So 50K_n < 50K_0. Any question?
 >
 >

          Interesting.
          If you're in high school, you are
          right,
          50k-n<50k,for n>1.
          If you're in grad school(science & engr),
           you're right when you write
          50k-n=50k for -0.5k<n<0.5k.
          If you're in social science,
          well, you're right when you
          say whatever you want, such as
          1+1=50m, 1+1=3.
          For instance, Cao Cao claimed he had
          Xong2Shi1(male lions?) 1000K, do you know
          how many he really had?
          You may say CC never graduated pre-school.
          You are  probablely right. There were no
          such kind of schools then.

          Ge2 Hang1 Ru2 Ge2 Shan1
          ( Seperation of professions is like that
          of mountains.)

          X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:03:33 GMT

In article <BxHB42.1IG@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>the US president election. 

	Sorry, you are comparing apples to oranges here.  OK, ok, you
are just comparing apples with pears here.  :-)

>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>popular votes so they are usually unknown.
>[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]

	There is NO popular vote, period.

	And schools did not choose electors for IFCSS.  Schools elected
or appointed their LianYiHui officials for general purposes, not for
electing IFCSS officials.

	For your theory to be correct, IFCSS would have to run the
elections in all schools specifically for electing IFCSS officials.

	[See my previous post on how IFCSS elections *really* works :-)]


	 Eddie
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:45:02 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <BxM0H5.1xH@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>[some argument exchanged between Yan and Feng deleted]
>
>It seems to me that this topic is becoming another inner fight. We
>Chinese students are not strong. Inner fights make us weaker. Unite,
>fellows. Please.

Agreed. BTW, a friend sent me the full text message of the relative
of a victim in the tragedy, which I mentioned in a previous post. I am
forwarding here without consent, so the name and email address are hiden:

=====================================================
Thank you very much for sending me the English translation of the Nov. 4
anniversary treatment of the University of Iowa tragedy.  I am deeply
grateful.

As a social scientist interested in Chinese culture and society, I have been a
regular reader of the communications transmitted by the China News Network
since June, 1990.  I never thought any of the events reported would touch me
personally.  My ****, Miya Sioson, was one of Lu Gang's victims.  Like
everyone else, I am still trying to make sense of what happened in Iowa City.
For this reason, I wanted to read the "unique" account of the event offered by
Liu Yujian.

Again, thank you for your kind and timely assistance.

     *** *. *****
     University of *****************
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: xic@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chen, Xi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvx2.11NOV199214243420
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov10.53073.4912@genie.uottawa.ca>, bing@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Bin Gu) writes...
>Hello folks,
> 
>Does anyone out there know where I can find a PAL video camera?
>I want to buy a camcorder that can be used in P.R. China. 
>Any useful suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

If you like to buy a PAL video camara, the best way is to buy a copy of
Video or Popular Photography magazine and find some telephone number of
dealers in New York city.  As I know, they sell many PAL stuff.  One thing
I have to say is that tried to talk some dealer with good reputation.  As you
know, 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Originator: jwr7133@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:58:55 GMT

Hello netter,

      I am american, but I am not vote for the president last week
because I am not interest into vote any president.  I am sick of the
president ever I saw them for my life.  I don't like vote for president
every 4 year because too often for me.  I wish to vote for the president
every 6 years.

      I agreed someone whom posted into this groupnews that they are
waste paper and pencial for everyone to vote it.  It's waste nature
sources.  (I don't remember who posted it a few days after election day.)

      American,  Please don't personal attack into the Social Chinese
Culture.  SCC is discuss about Culture itself.  Why do you put the
stupid subject likes "Chinese, Are You Jealous?"  It's kind stupid to
me.  I don't vote anything, I am jealous???  Not!  I read this newsgroup
because I am interested into Chinese Culture and Taiwan Culture.  I
don't take "soc.culture.us" (I think) because I am not interested into
American Culture.  Thanks you for your cooperation.

Your friendly user,
(Jeramey Rambeau)
E-mail: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:12:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov9.231254.8839
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <Nov.7.16.28.00.1992.1741@soliton.rutgers.edu> zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>f0l8973@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>
>>Here are some of my personal favorite postings recently 
>>found on the net.  Compare to the way people from Taiwan 
>>speak Chinese, I believe we do speak better English.
>
>(deleted stuff)
>
>Hmmmmmm, what? What is this guy trying to say? Is he trying to make fun
>of other people or is he making a fool of himself? Anyone?
>
>ZZZ


  I think he was telling a joke.  Frankly, I enjoyed it.  Here is another
straight translation of CHinese slogan:
  Chairman Mao ten thousand years old!
  I know you could say long live, but I am a 'bad egg' and if you are 'no three
no four', I'll give you some color see see.
  This is a joke, no insult meant (not original though).

  Brian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Beer and Wine
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:04:47 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I don't know when the beer and wine were
introduced to China.

I used to drink deer a lot, and don't like wine.
I am missing BaiJiu.  A taiwan
friend brought a bottle of
Jin1Meng2Gao1Liang2.  It tastes
just  wonderful, not secend to 5Liang2Ye4.
Every time my friends came to US, they
never forgot bringing me a couple
bottles of BaiJiu.

It's not enough to drink 1,000 cups
of liquor with friends.
Beer forces you 100 meter spint).

Don't drink beer while driving.

X Xu
From: weig@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: More Interesting
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:51:03 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

There are more interesting things: 

{}  in china, even old ladies are dancing disco, even in the parks and 
    in the early morning, which was accused to be western capitalism not long
    ago;  Same to break-dance, it was so popular and they danced so well,
    though they learnd from only an American film;

{}  once we started building level crosse (li4 jiao1 qiao2) in Beijing, soon
    there have been hundreds of it. Not only the huge number, but they are also
    so beautiful and so modern. They are really the top ones in the world, no
    matter in terms of area taken or the money spend, although China does not
    look like that rich or modern yet;

{}  China's first McDonald is the biggest one in the world.

{}  In the supermarkets here you can find a lot of Chinese products, such as
    toys, tools, handcrafts, most are low-tech (or no-tech) products.
    But don't be mis-led, we are launching sattlites for other countries.

    ......