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From: mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle)
Subject: Re: 5 ball trick
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:48:55 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO

In article <93004.132051NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>I showed it to my wife. She calls it a "Juggler's Trick", meaning
>that only another juggler would appreciate it (or probably
>even notice).

Try doing a collect in both hands and see if that looks anymore impressive.

mrc
(still trying to learn 5)
-- 
Mike Castle .-=NEXUS=-.  Life is like a clock:  You can work constantly
  mcastle@cs.umr.edu     and be right all the time, or not work at all
S087891@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU   and be right at least twice a day.  -- mrc
    We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan.  -- Watchmen
From: benjamin@riemann.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:53:50 GMT
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In article <1993Jan11.140032.5254@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) writes:
>In article <1iku0dINN68@wendy-fate.UU.NET> kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones) writes:
>>mitch@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Mitch Veenstra) writes:
>> > just a note to anybody who's trying 3 ball tricks and 4 ball
>> > at all.  once you try clubs for a few days, you'll find that
>> > your ball tricks are even firmer than before.  (now if I could
>> > only throw and catch 3 clubs without walking foward, club
>> > juggling isn't ment to be a track sport)
>>
>>Don't be so sure!  There's something called "joggling" that I saw
>>once on ESPN late at night and never again.  I saw a guy doing a
>>100m dash while juggling five balls.  I don't think I could even
>>juggle three balls back then so my eyes were falling out of my
>>head in disbelief.
>
>Anyone know if that juggler was Owen?
>
>-GReg
>

Yes, I believe it was.  A while back I taped this segment (from "Amazing Games",I think) where they had visited one of the IJA conventions ('87 or '89?).  They
showed Owen taking several attempts at it, along with Billy Gillen (or am I
confusing this with a different segment from the Guinness tv show?  I'll have
to check).  Owen's record is 13 seconds plus a little bit, which is quite
incredible since the vast majority of people cannot run that fast with their
hands empty, myself included.  His three ball record is 11.68!
A couple people ran it with five in Montreal this year, and last year in St.
Louis Billy Gillen ran it with seven!  He stopped quite a bit to pick up drops,
but always carefully restarted with a good pattern, and finished in between 2
and 3 minutes.  If you're curious about joggling, give it a try.  You don't needa particularly great 3 ball pattern, and it's great exercise for the whole body.-Ben
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From: phadalhs@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: dir/all
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:42:23 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Schools that have juggling instrucrors.
I am a twenty year old canadian and am interested in finding out
more about schools that offer juggling instruction.I just read 
that Todd Strong is teaching juggling at a circus school in 
Berlin, does anyone know more about this school?  I also read
a posting referring to something called circus space, apparently
offering circus arts workshops.  Does anyone know more about 
these workshops, their skill level, their quality, their location
ect...  If anyone out there can post information about locations
fees, requirements, and or direct me to other sources of information
I would be thankfull
					dylan mcdonald
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From: LS37 <LS37@UNB.CA>
Subject: devil stick tricks
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:14:46 GMT

For Christmas I gave my daughter a devil stick.  But I'm not really
sure what to do with the thing.  Can someone describe a few simple
tricks she can master (she's eleven years old).  Even better, is
there a volunteer out there who would post something like
devil.stick.help to moocow?  Thanks

Stephen Sloan
Systems Librarian                      Phone: (506) 453-4740
University of New Brunswick                    local   x6889
Fredericton, Canada
SLOAN@UNB.CA
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:20:51 EST
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 5 ball trick


I recently discovered a neat little 5 ball
variation that isn't too difficult. During the
regular cascade you can collect two balls in one
hand and throw them in a multiplex split, then
continue the cascade without hardly disturbing
the pattern. The timing isn't perfect but, if the ball
that returns to the same hand is thrown a bit higher
than the other multiplexed ball the cascade is easily
recovered (without lossing the regular cascade rhythm or
collecting any more balls).

I showed it to my wife. She calls it a "Juggler's Trick", meaning
that only another juggler would appreciate it (or probably
even notice).

  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  Kingston, Ontario, Canada
  naylord@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:06:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
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In a previous article, naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson) says:

>In article <1iog0mINN501@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder) writes:
>
>   Just thought I'd like to post this, I just figured out how the hell to do 
>   Mill's Mess, and while I'm far from mastering it, I just started it today, 
>   and my longest run was of four passes, I just felt proud enough of myself
>   to make a fool of myself by announcing it to a large amount of people who 
>   can probably do it with their eyes closed...:)  
>
>Did anyone see the blind juggling contest (blindfold 3 ball cascade)
>at the 92 BJC. After Haggis won he continued in Mills Mess.
>	Ab.
>-- 
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I've never been to any conventions...:(  I am interested, however, how long 
was he juggling for?   (I am just beginning to learn blind juggling, and 
would be interested in knowing how much anyone else out there can do...


-- 
--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)


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From: Neil Matthews <matthews@src.bae.co.uk>
Subject: Re: the Georgian shuffle..
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:56:41 GMT


Andy Lewis (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk) writes:

> >And, do you know the Georgian Shuffle?
> 
> No - what is it?
> 

The Georgian Shuffle as I was shown it is a 3 ball multiplex pattern.

o	Start off with 2 balls in right hand, 1 ball in left.
o	Throw the 2 balls in right up in a fairly narrow multiplex split,
	up verically, on the left hand side of the body.
o	Bring the left arm under the right and throw the single 
	ball up vertically on the right hand side of the body.
o	Right hand claws the rightmost ball in the multiplex split.
	Left hand catches the leftmost ball of the multiplex split.
	N.b. arms are still crossed.
o	Right hand sweeps up in an arc around the third ball so as to 
	catch it underneath on the right side of the body, (the hold
	is like the start of a multiplex split). Arms are now uncrossed.

This is the end of the shuffle move, if the balls are numbered then 
if their original numbering was

          3           1 2
         left        right

after the Georgian shuffle this becomes

          2           3 1
         left        right

i.e. a cyclic shuffle, to the right ->.

To make the pattern continuous then: 

o	Throw 1 ball in left vertically up on left side of body and 
	catch in the left hand, i.e. a fake throw. Then continue as 
	for the shuffle move above.

Have fun, sorry its so long-winded. 

		Neil.

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From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: four ball shower
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:47:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson) writes:

>doing and you have two arcs to keep track of. (One of the biggest
>difficulties with the half shower as getting both arcs into the field
>of view.)

Ah, perhaps this is the difference. I juggle a good bit lower than
the average, and can easily see both balls. For 53 the 5's are 
naturally at eye height (though I can get them lower).

>Now I put it to you as a five ball juggler, which 5 ball trick would
>you rather attempt, the half shower 73, or the full shower 91. Bear in
>mind the height difference in the 73 is going to be even greater than
>in the 53, and you have that awkward floaty 3 to take care of.

Okay, now it gets ridiculous. But this is not how I would recommend to
anyone how to half-shower 5: they should try [64], a synchronous pattern,
and one I can do much much much longer than 91. (Sometimes it feels
easier than 5, in fact.) Have you compared these two?		Allen K.
From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 'Named' patterns
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:11:10 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell) writes:

> Purely on the grounds of 'impressiveness of title', I've been
>working on the 'name' patterns for three balls; so, having mastered
>(well, not exactly, but managed to get to grips with) Mills' Mess,
>Burke's Barrage, and Rubenstein's Revenge, what's next?

Eric's Extension, which is Mills' Mess squared. Your arms cross,
then cross *doubly*, then uncross back to normal, cross the other
way, then doubly, etc.

There's a picture of Eric (Uhrhane) doing this in an old Juggler's World. 
He won prizes in a couple of 3-ball Opens at IJA conventions doing this
and other tricks.						Allen K.
From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:59:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
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   In a previous article, naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson) says:

>I couldn't say how long exactly, but it was a good few minutes. He had
>to be told that he was the only one left in the contest, and then went
>into Mills Mess. But bare in mind that we're talking about someone who
>performs with 7 balls, and can do 5 above his head.
>	Ab.
>-- 
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>+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
I doen exactly expect to be able to compete with him, I'd jsut like to know
what other people out there are doing... I know I'm not that great of a 
juggler, I'm only 15, and just started two years ago, but information is 
always nice to have..:)  btw- announcement:  I did the reverse cascade blind
for the first time last night...:)  just proud of myself...:)  only got about 
five passes on my best run, but it's something...:)  

Also, is it just me, or do other people practicing blind juggling find that,
even with your eyes closed, it is more comfortable to work in a dark room?
Also, I start out by working in extremely low light, as in with a digital
clock providing the only light, for a few minutes before attempting to 
practice totally blind.  Anyone else do that?


-- 
--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling and RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

In article <1993Jan3.135346.2555@ohm.york.ac.uk> jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes:

   Hello all
	   I've been juggling 3-ball (& trying clubs) for a
   while now, and have been wondering if there is any possibility
   of injury from the repetitive catching that necessarily goes on.

etc.

I don't think there's much of a problem with ball juggling (unless you
use big stage balls), but clubs used to realy hurt my wrists. I don't
do a lot of club juggling these days so I don't know if its a passing
phase your hands go though while learning, or if I just had weak
wrists.

	Ab.
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From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:33:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Just thought I'd like to post this, I just figured out how the hell to do 
Mill's Mess, and while I'm far from mastering it, I just started it today, 
and my longest run was of four passes, I just felt proud enough of myself
to make a fool of myself by announcing it to a large amount of people who 
can probably do it with their eyes closed...:)  

Now I just have to hope I'm doing it right...I've still neve seen anyone
doing it, so I'm just doing my interpretation of what I've read posted here
and on moocow...

-- 
--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)


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From: davel@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (David Lockwood)
Subject: Re: the Georgian shuffle..
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:45:47 GMT
Organization: the HP UK Response Centre
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Back in September 1991 their was the First Ineternational Juggling Festival to
be held in the (then almost) Soviet block. The festival took place in Tblisi
Georgia and was organized in conjunction with the state circus. All 
participants of the festival (of which I was one) left from Berlin and 
travelled to Moscow, from Moscow we continued on to Tblisi. As you can imagine
the air travel within Russia is slightly less than efficient and with a large
number in one group to travel there were several delays in Moscow. I waited
at the internal airport in Moscow for 8 hours. Very little refreshment and
entertainment was to be had. It was during this delay that the Georgian
shuffle was developed and passed around the group. An ad-hoc show was also put
on for the Russians who had been waiting for their own flights (some for several days).

As far as I can remember the festival was supposed be held annually but due to
the political unrest this idea was disrupted. I think that two/three weeks after
we left the Georgians put large guns in place around the circus building.

Does anybody know if there are more trips planned to Tblisi ?

Regards

David Lockwood.
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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: W. C. Fields
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:03:53 GMT

In article <6412@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott) writes:
>
>I'd like to watch some old W. C. Fields films that show him juggling. What
>are the best examples? I'd especially like to see some cigar box tricks.
>As long a list as possible would be useful please as the video tape rental
>shops here are awful!
>
>I was in a tobacconist today trying to scrounge some cigar boxes. I was
>told that they will begin to sell empty ones after their post-Christmas
>clear-up next week for 1 to 5 pounds each, dependant upon quality. Will 
>cheap plywood boxes rapidly fall apart?
>
>Bon chance et bon juggling
>
>Barry
>-- 
>Barry Prescott, Hypermedia Systems Group, Dept. of Computer Science,
>INTERNET: bp@cs.hull.ac.uk, ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk,    | The University, 
>    bprescot@nyx.cs.du.edu    Phone: +44 482 465016   | Hull, HU6 7RX,
>UUCP:	  ..!uknet!hu-cs!bp   Fax: +44 482 466666     | United Kingdom

Most cigar boxes made today will fall apart quickly.  You may wish to try to 
learn with them, but I advise that you try some real ones (once you have an
idea of what you want to do) and then try some juggling boxes in a store and
compair.  The best I've found in the US are the Decker Boxes, available from
Decker, Renagade, Todd Smith and Infinite Illusions.  He also markets them 
directly to may juggling sores world wide and they are available there
under his own name.  

Some notes on using real cigar boxes that were given to me when I tried to
learn them.          
	 
	1. tape the lids closed
	2. Short squat ones are better (too thin is a problem) 
	3. Expect a finite lifespan
	4. Cover the hinges ... they can scrape you.

I never really tried these as I borrowed a set from a friend (I guess I should
return them ... it's been about 6 years now).

You can get the address for the above propmakers on moocow. They all ship
internationally.

-GReg
gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu

*Note: fair warning ... I am associated with Infinite Illusions.  I tried to
list all available retailers of Decker Boxes.  If I have left any out please
feel free to add to this list.  Thanks.

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From: maize@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Subject: Re: Coloured flames
Reply-To: maize@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University, Dept. of Biological Sciences
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:55:16 GMT

In article <1ilv9tINNk6n@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, pyro@gu.uwa.edu.au (Jay) writes:
>  Does anyone know an easy way to colour flames?
>  We have some:
>	Strontium Chloride, Barium Chloride, Copper Sulphate,
>	and Calcium Sulphate.
>
>  Unfortunately, hydrocarbons (eg kerosine/parrafin and lamp oil) are not
>solvents for these compounds.  However, some of them are soluble in ethanol
>(cf methylated spirits) but the flame is barely coloured.  Since strontium
>and barium are supposed to give very bright flames, we were wondering if
>anyone had done this before.
>
>  BTW, what's the address of moocow?
>
>
>pyro         

  Moocow is moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu.

  Strontium Chloride is listed as being "very slightly soluble"  in absolute 
ethanol.  This is not enough to give good color.  I don't like Strontium's 
color as much as Lithium.  Lithium Chloride at around 3M will give you a 
strongly colored red flame.  
  Throw the Barium Chloride away.  It's not soluble and too toxic.  Just 
use Boric Acid (usually you can get it at a grocery store or drug store).  
It is very soluble an produces a good green.  Add a little Copper Nitrate 
for more intensity.
  The sulfates are to be avoided because of the burning sulfur smell 
you'll end up with.  Calcium's only going to give you a normal flame color 
anyway.  Copper almost always gives green.  It is the ion CuCl that emits 
blue -- but it is unstable at temperatures above 1200 oC and degrades into 
the green emitter CuOH.  By using CuCl2 I always get a green flame until 
the torch has almost burnt out -- then for a few seconds the blue color 
appears.  If you could think of some way to control the flame temp you 
could get a great blue color.
  This stuff will corrode your wicks and torches.  Also don't use different 
colors on the same torch.  Once you've use a torch for a certain color only 
use it for that color from then on.  Otherwise you end up with ugly 
mixtures of colors.


_______________________________________________________________________
Phillip SanMiguel               Purdue
maize@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu       Institute for
                                  Molecular    "We'll do anything
  Bennetzen Lab                    Plant          for funding."
                                    Science
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From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andy Arhelger)
Subject: Re: Injuries
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 17:26:03 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I currently have a sore left shoulder.  I think the cause is snow sholving.
I seem to remember a similar soreness last winter when I was sholving, but
I wasn't juggling last year so it didn't really bother me.

It doesn't hurt when I juggle except when I practice 5 balls and it doesn't
seem to be getting any better. I would hate to stop working on 5.

Andy Arhelger
andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
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From: jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (John Eric Sanders)
Subject: Re: Ball Juggling Limit?
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:07:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.011603.7768@csus.edu> arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
>
>  Given the span length of the human arms and the speed of response in
>catching and throwing a ball, is there a theoretical upper limit to the
>number of balls a human being can juggle?
> 

Several years ago, a doctor took into account the length of human legs,
muscle strength, lung size, and several other factors, and proved it
impossible for a man to run a 4-minute mile.  Unfortunately for him,
some runners didn't know that they couldn't do it, so they did.  I think
the same will apply to juggling--there will always be someone wanting
to do 'just one more ball'.

-- 
 The Jester (John E. Sanders)       jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu       
 I have finally discovered the method to my madness.  Unfortunately,    
 there is more madness to my method than method to my madness.
From: ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Music
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:07:10 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


Do you like to listen to music while you juggle? Does a strong rhythm upset you
or do you find it useful to synch it with your juggling rhythm? I am finding 
this quite difficult to do now that I am progressing to 4 balls. To tell you 
the truth it is hard enough to synch to a self-uttered 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4...

I am working on trying to make my asynchronous 4 ball outward-circles juggling
really rock solid, as I think that is the key to doing 4 ball Mills Mess.

I find that my left hand is weaker than my right, and so the left hand circle
isn't as high as the right hand side circle. This means that the LHS goes 
faster, and I find myself doing synchronous throws.

I am trying to beef up my LHS throw by trying to make both balls goes to the
same height whilst synchrously juggling 4 balls. I also must conciously look
at my LHS circle rather than my RHS, which is what I subconciously do.

Does anyone have any tips or exercises that might help? Oh and (drool) any tips
or exercises for starting 4 balls Mills Mess?
-- 
Barry Prescott, Hypermedia Systems Group, Dept. of Computer Science,
INTERNET: bp@cs.hull.ac.uk, ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk,    | The University, 
    bprescot@nyx.cs.du.edu    Phone: +44 482 465016   | Hull, HU6 7RX,
UUCP:	  ..!uknet!hu-cs!bp   Fax: +44 482 466666     | United Kingdom