HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fkhurshe@cs.ulowell.edu ()
Subject: Re:STOP POSTING TRASH
Organization: U. Mass. at Lowell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:05:30 GMT


>Please, to everyone who posts junk on the bboard, STOP!!!
>How about some interesting news about current events in Pakistan?
>If anyone knows anything new and interesting about Pakistani politics or
>just anything, please post it.
>Let's get civilized and stop embarassing our nation, people, and culture.
>
>THANKS,
>ABID AZIZ @Carnegie Mellon University


I agree whole heartedly. Please post some NEWS.

Farhan Khursheed.
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject:  Revisionist History
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:46:18 GMT

This is a message in response to Mr. Zia Haq's note to me on the pointless
Bhutto debate. I accidentally deleted his e-mail address.


Zia Sahab,
     My arguments are pretty straightforward. Maybe they were not clearly
enough stated. There were only two free and fair elections held in 
Pakistan and the post 1958 era. The first one (in 1970) was won by the  
Awami League, but it wasn't allowed to form a government. We had a civil
war and Pakistan split up. Now, after that happened, what should happen?
Should we have another set of elections  and divide the country through
another political campaign, or form a government based on the 1970 election
results for West Pakistan. I maintain that doing so is a fair choice and in
that scenario Bhutto became a legitimate Prime Minister.

      So if people challenge that, then I ask who else was elected
legitimately. The only other person that won power through free and fair
elections was Benazir Bhutto, again on the mandate of her father. So how
can people deny what was the Pakistani peoples free expression of choice
expressed twice in successive free elections. You may disagree with Bhutto 
and his policies but don't deny the people their democratic choice.

      By the way, I'm no great fan of Mr. Bhutto. I think Mr. Mustapha 
is the one who has some kind of axe to grind.

                       Izaz
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Benazir says Nawaz Sharif Morally Finished....
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:46:39 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.....

	Dear Friends,

	ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Hours after police banished her from
Pakistan's capital for one month, opposition leader Benazir Bhutto
Thursday vowed to nonetheless continue her campaign against Prime
Minister Nawaz Sharif.
	``Prime Minister Sharif is morally finished,'' Bhutto told reporters
on arrival at Karachi Airport, where she flew in from Islamabad early
Thursday.
	Authorities exiled Bhutto -- a former prime minister ousted for
alleged corruption -- from both the capital and Punjab province after
police and troops Wednesday crushed a massive anti-government rally
organized by her and other opposition leaders.
	Despite the hard line taken against her supporters, Bhutto vowed, 
``The freedom-loving people of Pakistan have triumphed despite
unprecedented repressive measures of the regime. The struggle will
continue. People will not forgive the rulers for their act of state
terrorism.''
	Wednesday, some 45,000 government troops deployed around the capital
to halt a massive rally that Bhutto vowed would bring down the
government.
	Clashes in Islamabad, Lahore and elsewhere reportedly left at least
two dead, hundreds injured and as many 25,000 people under detention.
	The ranks of the detained included a 12-member observation team sent
to Lahore by the Pakistan Human Rights Commission to monitor police
conduct.
	The human-rights commission charged Lahore authorities also seized
innocent passersby caught in the showdown between troops and
demonstrators.
	When police detained Bhutto Wednesday, she initially refused to board
a flight from Islamabad to Karachi, slapping an officer in the face when
he tried to lift her onto the plane.
	For a while, the government returned the opposition leader to her
Islamabad home, but later used women police officers to force Bhutto
onto a different flight.
	After her departure, authorities began releasing top opposition
leaders, parliamentarians and senators arrested Wednesday along with
Bhutto.
	By noon Thursday, police had freed most of the 50 top opposition
leaders taken into custody, although thousands of rank-and-file
protesters remained in prisons.
	In Karachi, hundreds of wellwishers waited into the early hours of
Thursday morning for Bhutto to arrive.
	Soon after emerging from her plane, the opposition leader -- slightly
injured in a scuffle with police during a Wednesday rally -- stopped at a
local hospital for a check-up.
	In Islamabad, heavy morning rains and strong winds hampered
demonstrators trying to organize a Thursday afternoon protest march.
Opposition leaders planned to meet later in the day to plot their next
move.

	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu>, ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
|> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
|> ?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
|> >  
|> >        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
|> >         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
|> > champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
|> > believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
|> > two women. This is Grabage."
|> >  
|> > So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
|> > No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
|> > paradise. 
|> >  
|> > What you guys think ?
|> That's a very sensitive issue.
|> I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
|> atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
|> work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
|> just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
|> go pray every Friday afternoon.

We have nothing to do with her religion or her personal beliefs.
She present herself as a politician and she is only accountable
for that matter only in public.  I mentioned this thing before that 
in today's politics there is no room for religion or have no special 
provisions for an orphan child.  If anyone wants to play it then play 
it with rules.

-- 
Denying something is so easy that it leaves no burden on your head!
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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From: naufal@ocf.berkeley.edu (Naufal A. Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:51:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article 992Nov18.142321.18018@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu 
(Yazmasterj) writes:

>In article <SHAH.92Nov17095547@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp> shah@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp (Q. H. Shah) went on about...
>>Dear Pakistani Brothers and Sisters
>>
>>Please ignore replying to this Willnecker. Just avoid him. He seems to be
>>representative of American thought like Reagon used to use dirty language
>>against Palestinians. Actually this is what the americans are. We do not
>>have to worry about them. Most of them are Kafir and will go to hell. They
>>do not listen. So let them go to hell. We should not use a language like
>>americans. 

>Mr. Willnecker left his account logged in by accident.  He posted an apology
>when he found out about the offensive post.  The matter was settled a few
>days ago.

>We do not have the right to decide who is or is not going to Hell.  In
>addition, we do not have the right to make generalizations about all 
>Americans, if we protest against the same being done about Pakistanis.
>Frankly, I consider myself an American, and I resent this 'let them
>all go to hell' attitude.  If you don't like reading offensive, racist
>posts against Pakistanis, don't post them against Americans.

>Yasmin
>-- 
>**************************************************************************
>*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *           .sig undergoing          *
>*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            reconstruction          *
>**************************************************************************

  I couldn't agree more.  I was among the first ones to reply to Mr.Willnecker
both on the net and via email.  

  He clarified his position twice on the net. In addition, he personally
replied back to me.

  Why can't we just drop the whole thing ?  This whole thing of kaafir,
hell, and "american bastards" is getting kind of embarrassing now. Doesn't
Islam also teach us to forgive ??? ( and in this case, the poor guy is not
even guilty of anything ).

  Naufal Khan .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad)
Subject: Re: ALTAF HUSSEIN GARBAGE CAN!!!!!(REMOVED FROM PAKISTAN)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:52:06 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov15.152544.6363@gw.wmich.edu> 911masibi@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>hello..muhajirs....
>
>Well where the hell is Altaf Hussein ...that grabge dump who was spilling
>garbage all over Karachi.....
> I hope he spilling garbage in England. I thanks to miltary for cleanig
> this shit from Pakistan. he needs to be hanged..as soon as he lands in
>Karachi...... He is worst enemy of Islam and Pakistan..trying to divide a
>nation into different parts....I believe his destination is HELL FIRE after 
>he dies..unless he asks ALLAH for forgiveness......NAWAZ SHARIFF and MILITARY
>ZINDABAD....for doing the jobs.....JOB WELL DONE......BY THE GOVERRNMENT...
>
>
>NARAY HARAM TOOP ALTAF HUSSEIN MURDA BAD.AND HIS TATTAS.......
>NARAY HAQ NAWAZ SHARIFF AND MILITARY...
>
>PAKISTAN ZINDABAD..........
>

We don't these sort of postings on soc.culture.pakistan. Go abuse Altaf Hussain
somewhere else.
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Is Benazir Muslim ?  No Way !!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:11:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


       I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
	from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
two women. This is Grabage."

So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
paradise. 

What you guys think ?
From: rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan)
Subject: Re: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.142522.9098@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> nsiddiqu@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (najeeb siddiqui) writes:
>
>God forbids but if the recent developments in Pakistan continues, we
>will soon have martial law in Pakistan !!!!!!
>All she wants is: public on the raod (they will be on the raod since
>they don't have anything constructive to do) which will pave the way for
>MARTIAL LAW !!!

  Pakistan has been under martial law for the past 45 years.  

-- 
Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
University of Toronto
From: wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian Willnecker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: "My" Previous Post
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:15:58 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


Today, I received a phone call from one of my classmates that "I" had posted
a letter stating "Death to Pakistan".  This was news to me, and I am
writing my apology here for any offense that was taken.

Yesterday, I was logged into a public access terminal with several sessions
open at one time (using an IBM compatible and Windows).  Apparently, I
forgot to close one of my communcations sessions, and, since the computers
never get turned off, somebody obviously took advantage of an open account
and abused it and my reputation.

I assure you that I had nothing to do with the offensive posting.  Actions
of this sort are completely out of line with my character, and several of my
friends are willing to attest to this if need be.  In fact,
I do not even subscribe to soc.culture.pakistan, so I do not know why I
would ever post there in the first place.

I do not know who abused my account, but whoever did was completely immature
and irresponsible.  I know that one can call me irresponsible for forgetting
to close my account, but this person's actions go far beyond acceptable or
adult-like.

I too am embarrassed to think that there are people at this University who
would commit such an injustice to me, to the readers of the newsgroup, and
to all Pakistanis.

Once again, I extend my regrets, and apologize to anyone who was offended by
the previous posting.  

I hope that this is all that has been done with my account, and that this
marks the end of any repurcussions.

Most sincerely,
Brian Willnecker
wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

-- 
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* Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
* wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Nayyar Sultana
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:07:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


     The famous film actress Nayyer Sultana died in Lahore.

     The Pakistan Government has declared following members of
      Mohajir Quami Movement to be " Ishtahari Mulzim" and
	has announced an award of 10 lacks Rs. for anyone who
          will help the govt. to arrest them either dead or 

		           alive.


Azeem Tariq
     Imran Farooq
	Saleem Shahzad 
		Baqar Rizvi
			


	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov22.194300.17605@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>, jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
|> In article <Nov22.074410.8675@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
|> 
|> Thanks for the very mature response :)
|> 
|> Your posting is enough to show what you are... you made it so easy for me :) :)

 Thats exactly, what I thought.  
Nadeem, playing smart....huhh....left nothing on the board for
others to read.  Should I consider this ????
|> 
|> PS: I know more about the Balochistan assembly incident because the Chief
|> Minister who asked the Governor to dissolve the assembly, happens to be my
|> uncle... If you are aware, even if the Governor hadn't dissolved the assembly,

Mir Zafar-ullah Khan Jamali ....., doesn't surprise me much.  In
some other discussion I will tell you what I read in Economist
(Japan) and Economic Review, here in US.  People don't give much to
our politicians here in US journals so you probably don't weigh it 
too much.

|> it would have been automatically dissolved (given that the CM had already
|> asked the Governor).... What caused the crisis?? I am not obliged to answer
|> that question. I can say this much: Evidently, it was in Bhutto's political
|> interest that something changed the Balochistan Assembly. This cannot be
|> taken to mean that she was responsible for its dissolution. I had always
|> wished that Zia died :) That doesn't mean that I killed him :) How could
|> she have ever even dreamt of doing something like this... given that she was
|> in the center, and that a Governor is the center's representative, even someone
|> like yourself :) :) could say that she was responsible. To understand the
|> whole thing, you aught to understand Balochistan politics better... 
|> 
|> PPS: I think, before saying anything more, I'll wait till this invasion of 
|> soc.culture.pakistan by these moronic losers ends :) :)

Well you have to wait patiently for that, b'cos this is not
Pakistan..where elimination is so *%^#@)$ easy for the goobers.

-- 
Be free and open and breezy!  Enjoy!  Things won't get any better so
get used to it.
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: "My" Previous Post
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.103947.6370@gw.wmich.edu> x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu went on about...
>> Once again, I extend my regrets, and apologize to anyone who was offended by
>> the previous posting.  
>> 
>> I hope that this is all that has been done with my account, and that this
>> marks the end of any repurcussions.
>> 
>> Most sincerely,
>> Brian Willnecker
>> wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
>> 
>> -- 
>> ****************************************************************************
>> * Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
>> * wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
>> ****************************************************************************
>
>Then how come the ending message is the same. That guy also knows
>how to write the phrase exactly the same way you have written here.
>
>May be some body kick your bud very hard.

On many systems, including the one I use, the .signature file is automatically
appended to all posts made to the net.  This seems to be the case for 
Mr. Willnecker as well.  He has made a sincere apology and seems quite 
embarrassed by the whole thing.  Can't we just drop it?

Yasmin
-- 
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*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *           .sig undergoing          *
*  Internet:  ys3359@csc.albany.edu *            reconstruction          *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: PakistaNews GIF File:Editorial Cartoon Graphic File 1119
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:55:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

In article <184342@pyramid.pyramid.com> ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain) writes:
>
>Assalam-o-Allekum
>
>Can someone please tell me how to read this gif file.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Intisar.

Intisar Sahib

Please save the file, use the Unix UUDECODE filename command to uudecode the
saved ASCII file into a binary GIF file.  That file can be viewed on any
computer with a GIF file viewer, usually avilable for almost all computer
types.  It is best to ask your system administrator about GIF viewers

I hope this helps


imran

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.arabic
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Nikah by Phone ??????  rukhsati by phone is it possible
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:38:44 GMT

 
Friends!
   What is this new term, Rukhsati. Can somebody throw some light on this?
  
   Thanks in advance.

-Indu.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:21:29 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Nov21.234037.68910@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.193036.26985@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov21.010419.2519@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov19.185001.6455@gw.wmich.edu>, x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>>> In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
>>>>> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
>>>>>>police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
>>>>>>   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
>>>>>>were attacked and latthi-charged. 
>>>>>>  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
>>>>>>western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
>>>>>>(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
>>>>>>  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
>>>>>>dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
>>>>>>Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
>>>>>>her out and arrested her.
>>>>>>  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
>>>>>>and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>> *******************************************************************
>>>   I think Nawaz sharif should hang bibi just like her father along
>>>  with all other so called political leaders,jamaties and the
>>>racial leaders. This might sound cruel, but its better for the safety
>>>and prosperity of our dear country.......
>>>                                            Aamir...
>>
>>And which country would that be???
>>
>>Nadeem 
>>
>>-- 
>>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>>						 
>>School of Computer Science			  
>>Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
>
> Nonsense buddy this country will be Pakistan .
>Why you didnot respond to my posting?

Which posting??? 

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  
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