From: karl@diku.dk (Karl-Christian Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:31:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes:

>>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)

>Karl> Being in the EEC, Denmark will be governed from Brussels and Strasbourg,
>Karl> where the EEC parliament resides. Denmark has 16 representants in the
>Karl> parliament, Germany, France and the UK a lot more.

>Sure, there are a lot more Germans than Danes. It's called democracy,
>Karl. 

I see! :-)
Actually, it's called Majority Dictatorship. In a true democracy (by the 
original definition), the majority rules with due respect to the minority.
Also, everybody gets to vote for/against ALL the politicians. You and I are 
not going to vote for, or against, Helmuth Kohl, or that crazy Frenshman
called LePen. But these people (both of whom I suspect of having some
pretty right-winged viewpoints) get to rule us. Democracy my ass!

>Do you really believe that we will see a consistently united
>Germany or UK in the European Parliament? Do you think that Bayern
>will never go against Bonn? That Scotland will never be opposed to
>London? We'll probably see a pattern of regional interest, shifting
>with the subject matter. In many cases Denmark and the northern part of
>Germany will have common interest, in other situation we'll associate
>with the Swedes (oh, yes, they will join).
			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stupid of them (IMHO).

Now we're at it, "Front Nationale" (Frensh party) will have ~10% of the 
Frensh votes, which will give them ~8 seats in the EC parliament. I fear
the same goes for Germany and UK. These ultra-rights WILL be able to join 
forces, with the result that 20-30 seats in named parliament will consist
of a united nazi block.

I honestly don't believe it'll be Bayern against Bonn. It will rather be
Konservatiwen against Socialdemokraten. Or tory against Labour. But I
sincerely fear, that they WILL unite for nationalistic causes.

>Interests will not be constrained by borders. Look at large scale
>traffic planning. People in Jutland could very well see a point in
>cooperating in Hamburg instead of Copenhagen.

So do it. We don't need a political/economical union for that.

>Karl> If other people want to be ruled by Nazis, that is their problem. I don't
>Karl> want the problem exported to Denmark. 

>Where do "Nazis" enter the picture? Because the Germans are involved?
>Can't you come up with something better?

It seems pretty good to me. Look ~20 lines up.

BUT consider this fact: Helmuth Kohl recently won a German election by
calling Willy Brandt a traitor. Reason: Brandt defected Germany in the 
1930's. Running from the Nazi's obviously makes you a traitor in Herr
Kohl's mind. So what is he?

Scary, huh?

>Karl> Also, the EEC is working towards a military union. Excuse me for
>Karl> saying so, but that is another issue, I can't support. Denmark
>Karl> has had its share of German soldiers in this century.

>(pssst, Karl, want a hint? Yes? OK, Karl, listen: NATO!)

WEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL, I wasn't exactly thinking about NATO. I guess you know
that already. OH? Need a hint? OK, tomorrow is April 9.th.

But just to make it clear: Our not-so-good friend H. Kohl recently suggested
that South Jutland should be German territory again. His reasoning was
something like "historical rights". (He made the same claim with respect
to Western Poland, but who cares in Denmark.) I don't know whether he was
serious, whether he was fishing for votes, or if he was just being a 
smartsass. My guess: Dummheit Ueber Alles!

Actually, I'm not all that Germanophobic. But it would be nice if they
would show a little more respect for our country.

>Karl> Get it straight. We wanna be us!

>OK. Just make sure you stay on that silly island of yours.

You bet! ;-)

>/Lars
>--
>Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
>CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin

Karl-Chr. Hansen (karl@diku.dk)    | Ingen over, og ingen ved siden af,
CS Inst., Univ. of Copenhagen, Dk  | Folketinget.   -- Viggo Hoerup.