HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: VirtSpace (mini -review)
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:33:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <12SEP199203473147@acad3.alaska.edu> fxmlk@acad3.alaska.edu (KIENENBERGER MIKE L) writes:

>At the risk of sounding cheap, what's the difference between this
>and the free version (no version number just C 1992) given out
>a few months ago? [Don't get me wrong. This program was worth paying
>shareware fees...I'm just feeling cheap this month after paying tuition.]

As an EXTREMELY happy VS customer, I think I'll field this one.

Lots of things!  Other than bug fixes, here's a tidy summation of the
extra features in version 2.4 versus 2.2 or whatever was the last free
version.

- Sticky Windows:  you can set a window to be "stuck" to the screen,
so that when you go flying around the virtual desktop, that window
will stay put.  I use it for "sticking" the Preferences application
onto the screen so that I always have a clock on whatever screen I'm
at.

- Colored Windows: you can change the colors of the window
representations in the VirtSpace window.  You can then categorize
applications various windows by color (all Edit windows are green, all
Stuarts are blue, etc).  It doesn't change the acutal window, just the
representation.  This is really only good on color systems.

- Root Window Gone:  VS2.4 no longer recognizes the root/background
window.  It's equivalent to making the background sticky, and hiding
it's representation.

- Active Apps When Clicked:  You can activate an application by
clicking on it's window representation in the VirtSpace window.

- Bring to Front:  similar to above, you can bring windows to the
front via the VirtSpace window.

- Scaleable VirtSpace Window:  You can scale the VirtSpace window down
so it occupies less room and/or gives you more virtual screens in the
same amount of area.

and last but certainly the neatest!

- Auto Scrolling:  VS sets up windows on the borders of th screen.
When you put the mouse all the way to a border, the window detects it,
and automatically scrolls in that direction after a certain wait
period.  You can grab other windows, and drag/scroll them off to some
other area.  This feature almost completely eliminates the need for
the VirtSpace window.  It's easier to just move this way, but faster
to move the other way.  It still needs a bit of refinement I think,
but otherwise it's very slick.

Plus buying the current version gives you ability to upgrade.  $30 is
a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of most software.  And for
how much I use VS, it's practically nothing.  Considering if VS costs
a penny every time I use it, it would have paid itself off in the
first week I owned it.

-doug mcclure
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: Seeking Calendar Manager
In-reply-to: rahner@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com's message of Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:21:39 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
	<1992Sep3.182139.7823@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:57:38 GMT

There is also the magnificent calendar.el available under emacs
from the usual elisp archive sites. Not only does it have a datebook,
remider feature, but it also knows such things as Julian dates, Hebrew
and Moslem calendars, and even the french revolutionary calendar. 
--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET
From: todd@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: VirtSpace (mini -review)
Keywords: Full Review of this in NeXTwatch Magazine
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:05:37 GMT
Reply-To: virtspace-review-request@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <1992Sep12.011232.15694@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
> 
> This is one neat App.  Do you have 12 Stuart windows open  

[ nice comments about VirtSpace deleted for brevity ]

> 
> Highly recommended.  

I am going to do a semi-self promo here.  In the Volume #1, Issue 7 of
NeXTWATCH magazine (see below for details on how you can
get the magazine) I published a detailed review of VirtSpace,
including details about the latest version and how it has
helped a development team with day-to-day operations.

You can purchase (and I highly recommend in a non-biased manner
due to the large information/noise ratio of NeXTWATCH) the
monthly for $30 a year.  It is very much worth the money!!!
For instance, there was a black magic section 2 issue ago
that just saved me hours of work.  Well worth the 30 bucks
in a big way.  There are currently no adverts in the magazine
either (lets not hold our breath on this for long ;').

If there is enough request for this article and Skylee approves
it, I will post the full review to the network archives and
do a one time mailing to those that don't have ftp access.
If you are interest in seeing this happen, then email

	<virtspace-review-request@liveware.com>

and I will see what I can do.  


Regards,

Todd Nathan
Megaview Publications
A subsidiary of Liveware Corporation


Notes:  NeXTWATCH is a publication of Skylee Press.  NeXT
	is a trademark licensed to Skylee from NeXT...

	Skylee Press
	PO Box 471645
	San Francisco, California  97147-1645
	<editors@skylee.com>
	+1.415.474.7803 (voice)
	+1.415.474.7896 (fax)

	I want to thank Skylee editors for their help in
	preparing the article mentioned above.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.161853.3360@wire.gwinnett.com> andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (andrew abernathy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.000247.27940@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard  
>O'Neill) writes:
>
>> Well, I had to have the foresight to use the "Plan Upgrade" option and  
>see
>> that it planned on removing Icon because it wasn't part of 3.0. I said  
>no
>> to this, and so I still have my copy and can use it if/when I want to.
>
>Dream on.  (As I did.)  Icon, unfortunately, is pretty much totally
>broken under 3.0, at least PR2.  I'm pretty upset about it.
>

Why is Icon worse under 3.0? I thought 3.0 offered binary compatibility?

Dave Griffiths
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:09:07 MDT
From: yackd@utah.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0


In article <1992Sep15.170334.624@prim>, prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.161853.3360@wire.gwinnett.com> andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (andrew abernathy) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep14.000247.27940@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard  
>>O'Neill) writes:
>>
>>> Well, I had to have the foresight to use the "Plan Upgrade" option and  
>>see
>>> that it planned on removing Icon because it wasn't part of 3.0. I said  
>>no
>>> to this, and so I still have my copy and can use it if/when I want to.
>>Dream on.  (As I did.)  Icon, unfortunately, is pretty much totally
>>broken under 3.0, at least PR2.  I'm pretty upset about it.
>Why is Icon worse under 3.0? I thought 3.0 offered binary compatibility?

Well, Icon seems to do a lot of things behind 2.x's back.  In other
words, it seems to have used quite a few undocumented calls...which
probably no longer exist.  Judging from the poking around I've done
in side the program, I think this is reasonable to say, even though
I really have no idea what I'm talking about. :->

-Don Yacktman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:08:02
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: glenn@rightbrain.com's message of 3 Sep 92 06:36:15 GMTLines: 48

In article <873@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>,
	glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid), who is being portrayed
	by Jack Reynolds, writes:
>While Glenn has been working hard to get the software out the door,
>others have been assembling this comparison.
>
>If you'd like to know more, fire an email to reynolds@rightbrain.com
>because the reply address on this post is to Glenn's account, not
>mine.  He disabled my machine from posting (but was foolish enough
>to leave his machine logged in and unattended!).

<large RTF posting omitted>

Hopefully this time around Glenn will take more vigorous action -
like breaking your fingers or something.  I don't know if you read
these groups (apparently not), but Netnews is _not_ there for
companies to make profit from.  Self-serving advertisements certainly
qualify as commercial for-profit usage.  While on one group we have
a discussion about whether we should post prices or not, on another
we've got Jack Reynolds saving RightBrain a couple thousand by
posting 4 page advertisements to the network rather than buying
space in NeXTWorld.  There is a _very_ large gray area covering
the space between entirely non-commercial posts and fully-commercial
posts.  You are not even _close_ to that gray area.

If we wanted to know about PasteUp, we would ask.  If you want to
tell us about it, you could mention in the next PasteUp press
release that this document is available by sending email to
reynolds@rightbrain.com.  It really isn't that hard.  I've seen
nothing like what you post from any of your competitors, so it's
obviously not impossible.

[To those of you who may think I'm coming down a little hard, an
excuse ... I've had a couple posts over the last few weeks which
I thought skirted dangerously close to being for-profit.  I went
over them with a fine-toothed comb reworking them to be as generally
applicable as possible, and left them on my system for a couple
days so that I could make absolutely certain that they looked
acceptable in the life of a new morning.  With this one post Jack
has probably posted an equivalent amount of hype to what everyone
else posted this month.  And, not only does he post it, he _brags_
about how he snuck behind his boss' back to do it.  Grrr ...]

Later,
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>  <Who achieved programmer nirvana on Aug 11th>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
   <Text: One Class to bring them all and in the darkness bind them ...>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: NeXT's commitment to academe
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:35:48 GMT

In article <SIMMONS.92Sep12121736@rigel.neep.wisc.edu>  
simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) writes:
> Academic computing or the academic market is not one of NeXT's strategic
> markets. Actions speak louder than words.

Peter van Cuylenberg recently told me that NeXT had identified three  
distinct markets (direct corporate sales including government,  
dealers/VARs/VADs/system integrators, and academe), and that NeXT would be  
reorganizing its sales force to explicitly reflect these three different  
markets. Indeed, actions speak louder than words.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
General Manager, NetForce Inc.
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
From: aoml@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Geographical Information Systems (GIS)
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:07:49 GMT
Organization: NIST

Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on
commercial or public domain GIS software that can be run as a
NeXTSTEP application?  We are interested in integrating some
of our hurricane wind field software developed on our slabs
with a GIS and/or infrastructure database for emergency management
and recovery applications. Please reply to:3328$SPAN::POWELL
or to this NIST address. Thanks!
Dr. Mark Powell NOAA Hurricane Research Division
4301 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami Fl. 33149
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &)
Subject: Re: Allegro CL 3.1.20 fix for 3.0
Reply-To: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.095958.15685@ads.com> bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney)  
writes:
> 
> Recall the anonymous fellows that claimed they have a fix for Allegro
> CL 3.1.20 so that it will run under NeXTstep 3.0.  I asked them to run the
> Calculator example to verify that the fix works. Well they did and
> discovered that although the base Lisp Works the Objective C interface did
> not. I asked them to send me the fix anyway. If they do send me the fix with
> permission I will post it here.
> 
> I also talked with Franz and apparently whether or not the Objective C
> interface will still be supported in Allegro 4.1 is still up in the air. You
> can gripe about this by email or phone to:
> 
> 
>         Mike Margulies
>         Franz Inc.
>         mjm@franz.com
>         510-548-3600
> 
> --
> Bill Vrotney
> Advanced Decision Systems

Well, between NeXT and Franz, the Common Lisp crowd has certainly been
screwed over the past year. First, NeXT unbundled Common Lisp but said
that they would support it. Many of us griped and got them to provide
Common Lisp for original cube purchasers. Little did we know that it
would be fine as long as we didn't need to interface with Object C in
the interface builder. What good is a language that doesn't have access
to the graphic primitives? So NeXT screwed us first. Then Franz decided
that the only way for us to upgrade to their new and improved version of
Allegro was for us to buy software support. Hey, that was over a year
ago. Then THEY decided that they didn't want to support the NeXT and
started backing out on existing accounts. Did anyone hear of a refund?
Did anyone hear anything? Did anyone ask WHAT Franz had done to correct
the problem, or WHY? Of course we did, and you do not want to hear their
slimy response. Now I guess Franz and NeXT are vieing for who can screw
the Lisp community the most, or the best.

I for one am not impressed, and I would recommend going WAY over Mike
Margulies' head. He is red tape, put there to avoid having to answer
embarassing questions like why 4.0 wasn't ported to 3.0 when the beta
came out. Sun was first, and then some other big ticket company. Forget
the people who paid for software support simply to get their upgrades
on the NeXT. Couldn't be that many people could it?

Tired of hype and babbletalk,

Jack Hodges
San Francisco State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Subject: DBKit and Oracle Adaptor
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:37:15 GMT

Is there no one out there that can give a definite answer on how to use the  
Oracle adaptor, what it is and how it works??

Someone answer the question: Is SQL*Net required in order to use the Oracle  
adaptor with Oracle v 6.x.x.x??  Yes/No???  If it is, then I simply purchase  
it, if not then I want to know why it does not work.

I have received about 10 answers to nothing.  Everyone's answer is vague,  
indecisive.  Not one person has said, "I read this in the manual.", "The author  
told me this.", or "It works this way because...".
From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: ML for the NeXT??
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:06:49 GMT
Reply-To: mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62103.student.cwru.edu

In article <Yedv8wi00YV7A68VM7@andrew.cmu.edu> gb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (George J.  
Baxter) writes:
>Hey folks, is there a standard ML compiler for the NeXT???

1) You don't need to compile ML--it's already in machine form, hence the name.
2) If you want to compile ASSEMBLER--create the file with the extension '.s',  
and send it through cc.

--
Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
			   NeXTmail accepted!!!
"To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: alex@fff.chem.utah.edu (Alex Dommasch)
Subject: Publishing software on the NeXT - SUMMARY
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:49:54 GMT

  
>I've been thinking of trying to talk people here into using the NeXT for 
>creating their scientific papers, posters, and presentations.  What kind of 
>software is available for this?  I'm assuming what we would need is a desk-top 
>publishing system, but I am completely ignorant about those.  I have heard of 
>FrameMaker - is it any good?  Are there any others?
>
>To make this go, we would need the capability to combine text, tables, 
>diagrams, scanned images, etc.
>
>Thanks for any info.

Thanks for all the responses.  In summary:

TeX:  Very powerful formatting language.  Does everything.  Unfortunately, the  
people here would still rather physically cut and paste then learn a new  
language.

FrameMaker:  Lots of features, but wasn't optimized for NeXTStep.  (Also, just  
from what I see on the net, it crashes a lot.)

PasteUp:  New program?...  I don't know much about it (except for that  
controversial post, of course!)

And of course there are the various single purpose programs (word processors,  
drawing programs, etc, etc...)

I'm thinking that FrameMaker might be what we're after, but I want to see what  
PasteUp is all about first.
--
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Field-Flow Fractionation Research Center        |-    
Department of Chemistry, University of Utah     V     
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:42:33 GMT


And they mean it.  I just got a call from the book store  
that our copy had arrived.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: pirla@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: Re: Simon Says
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:18:31 GMT

I have the new (1.1a) vers. of Simon Says. Very good. However I have 
trouble with sublevels. One, I don't quite know what purpose they 
serve (the manual is a bit sketchy). Two, When I place commands in a 
sublevel, with the setting *Move up a level with the Up_A_Level* 
command, things don't work. Retraining just doesn't work. 

Has anyone had experience with sublevels? Some examples of their use? The 
example in the manual doesn't make much sense. 

This is the only difficult feature of SS. The rest is a snap - except
perhaps chained macros.

Maybe someone should post Simon Says macro examples - since it is the 
*only* macro program for us.

Thanks

Robert De Lucca
NeXTmail rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
NON nextmail pirla@wam.umd.edu

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Distribution: 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: tlm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: does NS3.0 ship with a TeX that uses NFSS?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:02:18 GMT

In <6445@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory Lampshire) writes:

>My question is all in the subject line :-)

Indeed it is :-}

Tom Rokicki, the author of NeXT-TeX, has told me that NeXT-TeX 3.0 is 
fully NFSS "compliant" which means that if you want to add NFSS there 
should be nothing in NeXT-TeX 3.0 to break it and all shoudl run well.
However:  he does not "support" NFSS in the sense that it does not come
with NT3.0.  His reason for this is that since NFSS is still changing
all the time he did not feel it made sense to ship with a version that might
soon be out of date (and given what I've seen about the changes in NFSS 
on comp.text.tex I think this is a very reasonable approach).   

If you want to add NFSS to your NEXT-TeX see the TeX FAQ for information.
If you run into trouble then post here and somebody should be able to help
(Erik Sowa comes to mind --- sorry Erik :-)

Hope this is Helpful --- tom
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: MS Word - I need to run it
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:35:42 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

My youngest goes to a school where they run MS Word on PCs and Macs.
At least I believe it runs on both machines; I've never used either.
Anyhow, I need to get some compatibility on the NeXT.  What's the
best way?  She needs to be able to work at school AND home on the
same floppy.

Is there a version of Word for the NeXT?  If not, is SoftPC or
Executor the best way to go?  Please, try to refrain from answering
unless you can make the comparison.  I am sure from what I have read
that either approach would do.  I just need to find the best way.

Cost is a factor.  What's available on student discount to a high school
student?

And thank you for your support.

Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA         rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us         412-471-5320
-- 
Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA         rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us         412-471-5320
venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail]  !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: gregor@oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy)
Subject: Re: Digital Librarian poops out BIG TIME!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:03:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.081140.1087@glocke.hotb.sub.org>  
frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.151426.24641@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>  
> asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees Munshi) writes:
> > Can anyone with 3.0 try testing DL under 3.0. The other bug
> > seems to be regular expression search. It seems that it does
> > not understand expressions like u*stand, but will do u* and
> > *stand. Does it have a different regexp syntax, or is this
> > another bug?
> There is another bug(?) in DL (NS2.1):
> If you switch to match prefixes in the preferences it only finds those  
> words that are really prefix => `map` doesn`t match `map` but `maps`.
> I think this at least counter intuitive.

There is another bug:

On my machine, it won't run at all! It dies before finishing the launch!

--Gregor N. Purdy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Mouse-X problems...
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:51:09 GMT

Anybody in netland tried to run mouseX on a cube w/ NextDimension? I think that  
I've gotten it to work with the megapixel display, but can't figure out how to  
(or if it can be done) to tell X to use the ND display. 

BTW, this is an exercise in porting Khoros, which is big and beautiful, more  
than I need (would trade in beautiful for speed). Is somebody building a decent  
image processing package for NeXT out there? IDL-like?