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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: Another missed slam
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:47:21 GMT

In article <102440018@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal ) writes:
>Here's another example of missing a good slam:
>
>	W(dealer)		E
>
>	AK			QJT9x
>	QJxx			
>	Qx			AKJxx
>	KJxxx			Axx
>
>
>The bidding:
>	W	N	E	S
>	1C	2H	2S	P
>	3N	P	P	P

I would have bid 6D over the (jump to) 3N.  3N must show extras.
(We would probably end up playing 6S, which is the best matchpoints spot)

In my system (which I think of Precision, even if no one else does), it
would go:
	1C	X	(over 2H interference)
	3C	3S
	3N	6D
	6S

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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Appeals Committee ruling
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.184746.21793@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
:Paul Raymond McMullin writes (to our own Robert D. Silverman) :
:
:- Grow up.  If the W player had a long history of improperly taking advantage of
:- partner's explanations, that might be one thing; to assume that he is somehow
:- benifiting from E's expression of his bridge knowledge (that W was looking for
:- a stopper in S) is something else.
:
:Well.  That's got to be a first- someone telling Bob (may I call
:you that?) to grow up!
 
I thought it was pretty funny, coming from someone who didn't seem
to have a clue, bridgewise.
 
I'm curious as to what the poster felt was immature regarding my support
for the director's decision.

--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Appeals Committee ruling
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:20:43 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <ted.714174645@sage0>, ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
> >...
> >Paul, I think you have a misconception of the laws here.  The point is
> >not whether West could work it out to pull the double by himself ---
> >but whether his partner's explanation could have helped -- not "DID
> >help him" but "could have helped" him. ...
>
> 	I don't really agree with you here.  The "COULD have helped" him
> 	rule is not so clear in the laws or in this case.

Law 16A:  "After a player makes available to his partner extraneous information
          that may suggest a call or play, as by means of ... a reply to a
          question, ... the partner may not choose from among logical
          alternative actions one that could reasonably have been suggested
          over another by the extraneous information."
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Balancing with 2N after a weak 2: What does it mean?
Summary: Yet another, "Bid this hand"
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:03:20 GMT

Matchpoints, red vul.

K, A x x, J T x x x, x x x x

RHO deals and bids 2S (weak).  This is passed to partner who bids 2N.

What does it mean, and are you tempted to bid on?
(Would you have bid 3N opposite a direct 2N?)

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From: doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: you be the judge
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:13:16 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia

In article <2593@tivoli.UUCP: taylor@foraker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Eric Taylor) writes:
:In article <VARIS.92Aug11214228@trillian.ae.utexas.edu>, varis@trillian.ae.utexas.edu (Varis (Carey)) writes:
:|> 
:|> Well, just to add my 5c.
:|> 
:|> 98xxx AQTx QT Qx is better than a limit raise.  LTC is the way to go, guys.
:|> Nuff said there.
:
:Subtracting 1/2 loser for each Queen more than Aces, you have
:a 9 loser hand.

Assuming 2 losers in each minors, 2 at most in trumps(partner has 5) and
AQT counts as 1 loser(according to Belladonna!) this is a 7 loser hand.
This is perfectly adequate to assure you of reasonable play for 10 tricks.
The worry is that with 2-2 in the minors you have 4 quick losers but unless
you have some magical system which tells you this, you are as well getting to
game (tho I have a little sympathy for not bidding it at matchpoints).

:
:Just out of curiosity, would anyone consider trying to buy the hand
:in 3 NT given a suitable hand from partner?  (IMPS or PAIRS)

What's a suitable hand and what auction tells you that he holds it?

How to bid it? Well in a strong club system you can just bid 4S; it has the
side effect of making them wary on other hands where you do the same on a much
lighter hand. Playing a 2C system, I usually have 2NT available as an
invitational or better raise in spades, so that partner has further room to
describe his hand and I always have a second chance to bid game.

As far as LTC goes, I agree it is very useful in helping one form an idea of
hpw high to go and in unbalanced hands I always use it as ONE FACET of hand
evaluation. On difficult hands I usually examine the point count solution, the
LTC solution, the card placing solution and if really stuck fall back on feel
or instinct or whatever you want to call it. No one system is THE answer.

doug.
From: desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: How to bid this one?
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:45:10 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research, Princeton

Robert D. Silverman <bs@gauss.mitre.org> writes:
>As an extreme case in point: suppose you hold:

>AKQxxx
>AKQxxx
>A
>-

>This is a 22-count. Does anyone seriously believe this should be opened
>with 2C?  If you open 2C you could be at the 6 or 7 level before
>showing either of your suits and you will have to guess which suit to
>play in.

Yes.  I think this hand should be opened with 2C.  There is some chance,
admittedly relatively small, that 1S will be passed out.  There is
almost no chance that I will not have a chance to get partner to choose
a suit.  If the auction comes back to me at 6C, I will just bid 7C, and
correct diamonds to hearts.

I've never heard the auction come back at 7C.  I agree it is possible,
but certainly less likely than 1S passed out.

Nonetheless I agree completely with Bob's point regarding the original
hand.  It doesn't have slam in hand.  It doesn't have game in hand.  It
isn't even that close to game in hand.

                                        David desJardins
From: jaffray@sunkist.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: partner knew RKC was bad
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:52:01 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunkist.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug14.032506.12981@Princeton.EDU> spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>I should have mentioned, as several people have pointed out, that
>my partner realized that RKC was not the most intelligent thing to do
>here, and similarly that 6S with two potential heart losers was bad too.
>(I'm playing okbridge with him in another window as we speak, and just
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>asked him exactly why he did it, and he says, quote, "Silliness.  I KNEW
>I couldn't, but I did."  So there you have it... someone will surely
>advise me to find a new partner :-) )

Heh.  This is one of the "advantages" of okbridge...  for a while my 
regular partner was continually making errors in just basic card play,
really unlike him.  Later he confessed that he was on a Sun workstation,
and had 10 other windows crying out to him, "read me!", "edit me!", 
"compile me!"  Does wonders for the concentration.  I always wondered if
he had written a program to automatically respond to my relays...

I think one edge I have at okbridge is that I'm usually logged on from a
PC via modem, and the only multitasking I'm doing is to go get a Coke
or put on some music while dummy.  :-)
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Subject: Re: Bid this monster
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

In article <1992Aug18.150114.28928@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson) writes:
>She asked us how it should be bid (sure, like we're the local experts - NOT),
>so I'm asking for suggestions.
>Constructive comments appreciated, and I'll give them to her next Monday.

I don't how constructive this is, but I think I'd have just leaped to 6H
over the 4H raise.  I don't think there is anything that you can learn
through normal slam investigative prodcedures, so you basically just
have to decide right then and there whether to settle for game or to blast
onwards.

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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re: Play 6H (corrected version) 
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:51:39 GMT

>From: mlg@siemens.com. (Michael Greenberg)
>Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
>Subject: Play 6H (corrected version)
 
>Yet another slam to play:
 
>IMPS
>Neither
>South
 
>N: -,AKJTxx,Qxx,Axxx
 
>S: KJ8x,xx,AKx,KQT9
 
>Bidding
 
>1N - 2D* - 2H - 6H
 
>2D is transfer
 
>Lead 2s

Assuming opponents can win at most one trick with their trumps,
the only problem is to avoid a club loser.  On the opening lead 
RHO is marked with the SA.  At some point you will want to cash trumps
and diamonds bringing yourself down to the following cards with
RHO to play:

N -  -  -  Axxx

S K  -  -  KQT9

Clearly RHO can't discard SA, so he can't keep 4 clubs.

One minor point: if trumps split 4-1 you will want the opponent
with the queen of trumps to win this trick while you have at least
two spades in hand, for if you are left with only one spade the
SK threat can be erased if the opponent returns a spade.  But when
you lead trumps from dummy the spades in your hand are the only
convenient cards to discard. For this
reason it seems slightly better to play one high trump honor, 
then JT of trumps.
From: doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Play 6H (corrected version)
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:13:28 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia

In article <3739@sol.deakin.OZ.AU: doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands) writes:
:In article <mlg.713713464@volvo: mlg@siemens.com. (Michael Greenberg) writes:
::IMPS
::N: -,AKJTxx,Qxx,Axxx
::S: KJ8x,xx,AKx,KQT9
:: 
::1N - 2D* - 2H - 6H
::Lead 2s
:
:Since it's cold if trumps are 3-2 or 4-1, you want to guard against a
:5-0 split so ruff, AD and finesse the trumps. If they are 5-0, repeat
:the dose.
:But there is a problem, at least in theory. You risk going off on a 7-0
:diamond split (0.52%) when trumps are harmless and if the heart
:finesse loses and diamonds are 1-6 you can also go down(0.5*0.5*6.78%)
:which seems to come to a total of 2.2% which is rather more than the
:risk you are trying to accommodate, hearts 5-0 onside (1.95%).
:So perhaps the above is all crap and the simple line first mentioned
:is the way to go!


It seems that my eyes are going ( as well as my back and memory) or perhaps
it's just the ubiquitous T when you mean J; but anyway the above response
makes more sense when the club holding is KQJ9 rather than KQ109.
I had thought it was possibly another example of the unsafe safety play.

doug.
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Subject: Which weapon to wield?
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:43:38 GMT

I have been using a Two-Handed Sword (Espadon) (3d6) (+4,+8) for a while,
but just now I killed my first D (it was a Red) and it gave up a
Two-Handed Sword (Espadon) (3d6) (+1,+4) (SE). Easy question, maybe not
so easy to answer: which one do I want to keep as a primary? Since I think
I might want to keep my Pick around, which one should I get rid of (or should
I get rid of the Pick)?
 
I would like to keep both, since SE does me no good except against evil
monsters, and there are lots of non-evil monsters. I wish it had See
Invisible, then I'd be happy.
 
Incidentally, what does an HA (listed in the FAQ as having (SE) and (SU)) do
mo evil, undead monsters? Six times damage?



-- 

                                          - Scot Salmon (scot@jlc.mv.com)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: SA ? (what did i find : )
Keywords: help
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:51:40 GMT

Hi,
Sorry if I am asking an often asked question, but I just found a
Mace (Lead-filled) (SA) (3d4) (+11,+4)
at 1500' in moria 5.2 for the pc. The docs don't seem to say what an SA
is... Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
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From: s9971818@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S9971818)
Subject: Death claims another...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:51:00 GMT

After toasting almost everything he met so far, Caldor (mage, about level 27 
or so) was playing with his trusty Staff of Summoning at 1300 feet.  Suddenly,
along with some lesser monsters, a MATURE black dragon appears, and never even
seeing ANY other dragons, he used his trusty Wand of Teleport Away after a
few rounds.  He rested, trying to regain his mana and HP, when he sees the
fatal phrase, "It breathes acid -more-".  So much for the only DF I ever found!

-=> Jonathan <=-
From: Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: armor question #2
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:54:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Aug12.155422.11283
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

yesterday my 20 level Rogue found Metal Lamellar Armor (-2) [23,+8] at
650 ft.  Is it normal to find such awsome armor so close to the
surface?

-Karen Reed

"What's that blue thing doing here?" - TMBG
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: jra37189@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kwyjibo)
Subject: Well, I'm back...=)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:58:35 GMT


After my initial grieving and self-bashing period over my latest
fatality, Aragorn the Ranger, I'm back in the action with 
KillEmAll the Mage.  He's currently 7th level, and moving up, if
he could ever find any of the essentials to buy...i.e., some flasks
of oil might be nice.  Also, his strength is really low (10) so I
can't wait until I gain some real levels and get some potions
of increase stats.  Until then, I'll just spell my way through the
dungeons! =)

		KillEmAll, the 7th level mage
From: walter@blade (Walter Belgers)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: What, exactly, IS mithril?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:37:01 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Robyn.C.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Robyn C. Reed) writes:
: Matilda the Hun (lev. 18 rogue) just found some for the first time at
: 600 feet.  I know it's worth a lot, and I've seen it mentioned here
: before, but what is the stuff?  While we're at it, what exactly do
: Lucerne Hammers and Gaives look like?  Just looking for a little
: real-world relevance here....
: 
: Robyn "And how does Matilda hold a lamp and shield and still use a
: 2-handed weapon?" Reed
: robyn.c.reed@dartmouth.edu


Mithril is a kind of metal with which you can make VERY GOOD armour ect

For more information, read Tolkien.


 Avatar lvl 37 cheated pc winner
        lvl 30 mage
        lvl 13 cleric
        lvl x xxx  x  xxx ect that are saved/
From: jeffers@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Scroll of *Enchant Armour*
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:28:17 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug14.131751.19325@bnr.ca>, drumsey@bcarh552.bnr.ca 
(David Rumsey) writes:
> I recently found a scroll of *Enchant Armour*, because of the *'s I
> assumed it was something really special. When I read it, I was told
> that my shield (+9) glowed, then the enchantment failed. Are these 
> scrolls more powerful than regular enchant armour scrolls? 
> My curiosity (sp?) would much appreciate it if someone could shed
> some light on this.


The *'s mean that the item is particularly powerful - Staff of *Destruction*
*Enchant Armour*, *Enchant Weapon*, scroll of *Destruction*.

The enchant scrolls will add +1 or +2 to the weapon (depending on it's
current + rating).  At higher +'s it is more likely to give a +1 only.

Hope this helps.

Ian.


-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for new weapon
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:47:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.111420.12702@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.a
 writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.232046.3603@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robyn.C.Reed@d
rtmouth.edu (Robyn C. Reed) writes:
>> Or a new potion! Upon quaffing a Red Lumpy Potion:
>> "Ouch! It burns your mouth! -more-"
>> "You have no more Potions of Salsa."
>
>Don't forget the frothy amber potion.
>"Your mouth no longer burns so badly. You burp. -more-"
>"You have 5 more potions of Victoria Bitter."
Well, while we're at it, why not a ration of spaghetti dinner?  Or a
Riaders hat [1,+2]?  Or an armored codpiece?  Actually we really need them.

Bigal the 10th level ranger.  Still on ice.
>
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Umoria 5.5 now available for FTP
From: epoo1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Edouard Poor)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:48:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:

>A compressed tar file of Umoria 5.5 is now available for anonymous FTP
>from kukulcan.berkeley.edu, in the directory /pub/wilson/incoming.
>Patches from 5.4 to 5.5 are also available.  Get the file README.55 for
>directions.

Just a quick note to the Purple X's Mac Moria players and to the Archimedes
Colour Moria players: Moria 5.5.0 has been sucsessfully ported and we might
even release copies soonish (we're still busy on upgrading the colour and
windowing aspects...)

Edouard
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: name on Atari ST sources
Summary: Knock yourself out
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:19:28 GMT

I notice that my name is on some of the Atari ST source in the recent umoria
posting.  I _did_ port umoria to the ST years ago.  But other people with
more enthusiasm and better compilers (I used, and use Mark Williams C, which
has odd problems with umoria) have been handling the advancement of the ST
version of umoria for a long time now.  I certainly don't claim any control
over changes I made to other people's code in the past, and have less than
no right to try to control the use of changes subsequently made by others.

I guess, by law, in order for the copyright on a collective work like the
collection of all machine-specific versions of umoria to be valid, each of
the contributors must have his rights acknowledged.  Anyway, the way I'm
exercising any right I may have to control any use of the ST code is by
announcing that I'm out of it.
                                          Steve
From: chore@neumann.une.edu.au (Prince Of Darkness,Silent,Lucidity,.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Getting your stuff back
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:15:40 GMT
Reply-To: chore@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: chore@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <Bsq8u5.GvG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by jra37189@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kwyjibo):
> In article <BspHtn.3F9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> lrfox@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (linda ream fox) writes:
>>
> 
> Hear hear!  I've done that as well...nearly died fighting something
> and after the battle and usually some considerable loss of 
> something I realize I was fighting with my pick.  It would be nice
> to see what weapon you're fighting with.
> 


If you people can't manage your money well enough so that you have
to take to mining for a living then you don;t belong in the dungeons
go and start a nice wepons shop, or better yet a magic shop, i'll
be one of your best customers :)

Personally i give up mining at about exp level 20, by then you either have
enough money not to have to mine, or you never will, go deeper, find some
cool items and sell them! like me!

then you can wield your (DF) and keep your (HA) in secondary position....
(just jokes), anyway you keep a good weapon in secondary just in case you come
across a disnechanting something that will zap you (SD) or accidentally read a
scroll of curse weapon that will turn it into  a (-6,-6) :) hmmmmm


So forget mining..



	Ringer the Rogue (28th Level) [in this incranation]
	Ringer the Ranger *KING*
	Ringer the Preist *KING*

:)
From: Vasilii.V.Petrenko@dartmouth.edu (Vasilii V. Petrenko)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: rocks (actually rounded pebbles)
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:08:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Aug12.160849.12521
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

when you throw rounded pebbles [-5,-5] at something does it heal it or
does it harm you or does it just not harm it?

-Karen Reed

"Whats that blue thing doing here?" - TMBG
From: gjs@aber.ac.uk (Gary John Salter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Colour Moria. Where?????
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:07:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug12.162900.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8841288@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THEY PUT THEIR HANDS IN THEIR POCKETS) writes:
>Hi Moria Lovers everywhere!
>
>I have a question and a request for you'all in cyber-land ...
>
>I know that Arrows are fired from a Bow, and Shots / Pebbles are fired from
>a Sling. Question: what fires a Bolt? Bow or Sling? Or both?

Try a crossbow, the heavier the better.

Gaz.
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