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From: daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Beggars
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:43:33 GMT

In article <92231.22380732WENPW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <32WENPW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>I spent a year in inner-city Chicago and have some strong opinions about giving
> to people who ask on the street.  (My wife and I have also twice opened our ho
>me to pregnant teens... and have some experience with the "homeless".)
>   IMO the overriding Christian concern is "love": What is best for the individ
>ual?  (1) You could give them money.  Most of the time they use it to buy wine
>and continue their lifestyle.  You have helped them not at all -- but maybe you
> feel good.  (To exaggerate a little, if you are willing to give a street alcoh
>olic money, you might as well go buy the liquor for them, you would then at lea
>st save them the energy wasted in walking to the corner liquor store.)
>      (2) You could buy them food or take them someplace to eat.  Practically e
>very homeless person on the street needs food; the alcoholic certainly does.  Y
>ou have helped them a little.
>   (3) Take them to a shelter -- if they will go.  If they will go then you hav
>e a shot at helping them a lot.   (Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago was one of
> those missions.)
>    Most I met on the streets of Chicago have one goal in mind:  to squeeze as
>much money out of the gullible passersby as possible until they had enough to b
>uy cheap wine.  So  I quit giving $.  They could go with me to a local restaura
>nt or store and get a meal or they would get nothing at all.   At least I was n
>ot contributing to their alcoholism.  

Ken:
Please realize that there is a difference between someone who drinks and an
alcoholic......alcoholism is a medical disease that there is no cure for.  The
only way to get the disease under control is to undergo detox and then
rehabilitation.  The alcoholic has a medical need for alcohol or they may get
sick and die.  It is not our place to determine who is an alcoholic and who
isn't and I don't think it is correct to say that you would support
alcoholism if you gave them money.  Actually if they are really alcoholics,
you are helping them stay alive.  Alcoholics don't eat much food, they alcohol
completely controls their systems.  These people will drink until they get
help and there is honestly nothing that they can do about it.  It is hereditary
and incurable.  Many others problems ensue from alcoholism that we cannot even
begin to understand by looking at the person.  I guess you just need to make a
decision about whether or not it's worth it to give money....you have decided
it's not worth it. But please don't be ignorant to the medical facts of
alcoholism and pass it off as a drunken stupor induced by weakness and sin.
I would encourage you to read up on the medical facts or email me and I will
further discuss this with you.  It's a serious problem for everyone.
I hope this helps you understand.....Amy
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: servants/prayer
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:00:39 GMT
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In Saudi Arabia, if you are anybody, you have to have at least one housemaid.
You can get a Philippina for 400 riyals a month (3.75 to the US $), 600 to
700 riyals a month for an Indonesian, and 400 riyals a month for a Sri Lankan.
If you live in Mecca, she has to be a Muslim... but as a friend says, "how can
you be sure?  Some of them become Muslims just to work here..."

These women are in close contact with the family all the time.  They are the
primary caretakers of the children.

Many families have several of these housemaids.

Many of the housemades are Christians.

The Moravians even went so far as to try to sell themselves into slavery to
reach others with the gospel.

You figure it out.
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From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: Catholic Univ. of America
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:21:21 GMT

In article <Bt98r9.62y@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>    Tom, some things you said in most of these points does not sound like
> traditional _Catholic_ values, let alone family values.  I'm saying this
> because you are writing from Catholic University, but a few things you
> said contradict the Church's teaching.  I disagree with a few more on my
> own.  There are a couple of things I even agree with, though.

[lots of stuff pointing out how un-Catholic Tom's opinions are]

Not all of us at CUA are Catholic, y'know. I know of many Protestant, several
Jewish and a handful of Pagan folks around here. We're a minority, but there
are those of us (especially in the grad programs, it seems) who are at CUA
strictly for the education and not for the religion.

This is NOT a flame - just pointing out that it's better not to assume from
addresses (someone writing from Cleveland.Freenet is not necessarily from
Cleveland, either (-: )

-Alison
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From:         Angela Zimmerman <AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Catholicism

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This is in response to several people's posts about Catholicism.  First
of all, I've never had the impression that Catholics worship Mary.  I
asked a Catholic friend of mine once why Catholics "pray" to Mary and
the response was that sometimes you need someone to intecede to *Jesus*,
not God, with your prayer.  This may be still considered "wrong", but
the prayer was not for her to intercede to God.

Jesse asks why honor Mary but not any of Jesus' siblings?  I think the
answer is fairly clear on that one.  Only Mary was the mother of Christ.

Ian states that the Roman Catholic doctrines are based on incorrect
interpretations of scripture.  How do you know they're incorrect?  Unless
I'm mistaken, none of us can know for sure who's interpreted the scriptures
correctly, if anyone.

Finally, the issue of confession.  I'm not exactly sure of the
ramifications of *not* confessing to a priest, according to the RCC,
but it would seem to me that this is there more for the human conscience
than anything else.  People tend to feel better if they confess to a
physical being and are told by that person that they have been forgiven.
Since according to Christianity people are already forgiven, I don't
see anything wrong with someone going in for "confirmation" of this
forgiveness, which is what confession seems to be to me.

I don't know much about the Catholic religion, but these are my views
from what I've observed of it.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:09:23 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Peretti and Tilly

Claus:

Tilly is good, but IMO not as good as his other books, even though it
deals with my pet subject (abortion.)  However, it is very short
and worth the effort.  (You really should make an effort to read
*all* of a favorite author; it's one of life's finer pleasures. :-) )

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:38:37 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Raising a child for Christ

  Lora Harris says:
>         (Gee it's easy to tell everyone how to be perfect parents, especially
> when I don't have any of my own to make my own mistakes with!  :^)  Take my
> advice for what it's worth, as I've never been a parent.)
>
  Lora ,
  I have 4 children and I agree with your advice, I am actively involved
with our Chilren's Church and our Youth at church and this does seem to
make it more interesting to my own children. But, alot of parents do
feel that the Children and Youth Departments are their calling from God.
As for forcing or making kids go to church, "Train up a child in the way
he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs
22:6. My grandparents dragged me to church when I was young and now
when I look back on it and, I thank God and Praise God for them and
everything that they done for me.
As for 'perfect parents' : I don't think their is any such thing! :-)
Yvette


   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst  in  Dallas - Texas
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From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      They can too pray!
X-To:         christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

Yeah, there is a siege mentality, and you can see it at the Republican
convention this week.  They would siege out of existance everything that
doesn't agree with their Swiss Cheese platform, which is so full of holes
it's amazing it can be called a platform at all.

Whew!  Now I feel better!

I have heard this bit about prayer in public schools once too often.  In a
post of yesterday, somebody refered to students not being able to pray in
school, but are permitted to do yoga, etc.  This is simply not true.  Any
student can pray at any time at any place in or out of school.  They can
pray to themselves without outward show of any kind.   This would be in
keeping with what Jesus said about praying.  He said to go to a closet and
make prayers in secret.  When a student is in school, a physical closet is
not possible, but the closet of the mind is surely possible.  It would be
impossible for a teacher to prohibit a student  praying in their mind, for
there would be no outward sign of it save for maybe the student's being
quiet, which should cause the teacher great relief. [grin]

There is no good reason for a student to pray in an obvious manner in
school.  Their prayers should be silent and without show.  There is nothing
wrong with this kind of prayer.  Please, let's stop saying that prayer is
disallowed in public school, it is not!

By the way, yoga is perfectly good, too.  A child can be taught to
disregard the mystical parts easily and accept the healthful parts.  This
is good training for it will teach them to discriminate between good and
evil, something they will need to do all their lives.

While I'm at it, someone else was deriding wearing of crystals and using
incense.  Come on, folks.  There is nothing inherently wrong with either.
In fact, you cannot prove that crystals do not have some abilities in the
healing realm.  Saying this does not mean one is a pagan, just that one is
openminded in the areas of healing.  As for incense, remember that it was a
very important part of the sanctuary and temple services for Israel.  Don't
be too hasty to throw out New Age things.  The earth worship and paganism
and reincarnation are junk and unbiblical, but there are some things that
bear observation and, perish the thought, emulation.

Anyway, enough of my soap box for now.

Dan Graham
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:07:51 EDT
From:         WALTER SHERRILL <SHERRIWR@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Direct Revelation, passe?

In your own mind you must question the truthfulness of God. Therefore your
questions are based on the limited imaginations proceeding from the heart.
The heart if transformed by the power of God discerns the deep things of God.
It is only through God's revelation in our hearts that we believe all that
He says in His Word. The Bible.
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From:         Glennerd Skynard <S05152@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      satan's "healing" powers

Dear Everyone:

     I have just read the post from James Keifer concerning
satan's ability to heal, and that brought back something
that I had read in the C.S. Lewis book Mere Christianity.
Lewis said something along the lines of satan being willing
to cure us of the mumps in order to give us cancer.  By this
Lewis means that satan will gladly cure us of something like
masturbation, desires for alcohol, or other things of this
nature in order to nurture or pride in "ourselves" (quotes
added for emphasis).  Satan would gladly help us give up
these habits if he could make us say something like "I'm too
good to be doing that any more," or "I am above her anyway,
so why should I be lusting after her?"  Satan helps us get
over something that is destructive in order to help us move
along to something that is more destructive.  The dangerous
part about this is that we often think we have been cured of
the destructive behavior that we had before the pride thing
came along.  Like the sarge said on Hill Street, "Be careful
out there..."

                         God Bless,



                        Glennerd :-)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:30:23 -0600
From:         MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Is the Bible Absolute Truth?

Is it true as I have heard that in the early part of this century
archeologists believed that the people such as the Philistines and
others were just Bible stories and never really existed.  As the
eastern border of the Mediterranean Sea became better known through
digs archeologists acknowledged the existance of these nomadic peoples
and began to use the Bible to locate likely spots for a dig.

I heard this a number of years ago and wondered if it is true.

Molly Archibold
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:09:47 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      retrieving posts

 > I wanted to keep the recent posting by Mark concerning the
 > Orthodox but I mistakenly deleted it.  It was about a splinter
 > group formed by Fr.  Herman...if that would give you more
 > information.  Is there any way that you can send that to me or
 > is there a way I can possibly retrieve that posting?

You can retrieve the post from the Archives by sending a message
like the following to LISTSERV@ASUACAD. (As usual, anything intended
to be read by the computer rather than by a human goes to LISTSERV.)
This will cause the computer to send you every post to CHRISTIA
between the given dates inclusive that contains both of the given
keywords. If for any reason this does not work, you can try
searching for the single keyword "Orthodox." I remember that the
post contained a reference to "Alaska." The idea is to try a
keyword, or combination of keywords, that will fetch the post you
want and a minimum of other posts.

 // JOB ECHO=YES
 DATABASE SEARCH DD=RULES CPULIM=99:00 OUTLIM=6000
 //RULES DD *
 SEARCH (ORTHODOX AND HERMAN) IN CHRISTIA FROM 18-AUG-92 TO
21-AUG-92
 INDEX
 PRINT

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Subject: Re: Home School Responses
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:56:31 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

MKLINE%VDH.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:

>Subject: Home School Responses

>Mine's coming, but I see nothing wrong with posting to the list.

>I'm quite interested myself, and this is Practical Christian Living. For
>the Kline's the decision to Home School was a "Practical Christian"
>alternative to what we saw in public schools.

>I think we will find those decisions as "Practical Christian" decisions
>as well, and a testimony to the faith and dedication of the parents.

>Maks.

Hear!  Hear!

jj

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:07:02 CDT
From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Responses to questions regarding home education

I have not received many responses to my questions so far (but thanks to
Bill Chapman who has :-)), however, since there have been additional requests
for the information, I would be glad to post the responses with the permission
of the author.  If you are planning to e-mail information directly to me,
please include a note regarding whether it will be appropriate for the me to
pass along this information to the list.


                                    Thank you,

                                        Renee Autry (SRAutry@Samford)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:17:15 CDT
From:         Elizabeth Stevens <CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesus speaks

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:12:29 CDT Tom Brewer said:
>Out of curiosity I stopped and read Elizabeth Stevens' post of Cyndi Cain's
>Locutions of Mary and Jesus.
>
>Ok, serious question here....Honest.
>
>Was that a joke or do people really believe that stuff?

Gee, thats what I used to say, Tom.

No, its not a joke. And yes, some people really do believe
Him.

In His Love,
Elizabeth
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Did JESUS respect beliefs?
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:15:00 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92081307361658@ASUACAD.BITNET>, NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes) writes...
>Dear Robert Weiss et al. ;
> 
>Sorry to give a divergent view, but if I am not mistaken, the phrase, "verily,
>verily" actually means "truly, truly" ... not "amen, amen."
> 

Certainly. Verily means truthful. The veritable truth. :) 
But literally, when you look at the Greek in, say, John 3:3, there is the 
alpha mu eta nu; that is: amen. It can be translated as "Verily," "So 
be it," "May it become true," or even "Yes, indeed." But the real word 
here is "amen, amen." It is spoken after what Nicodemus has delivered.
So in essence, Jesus is agreeing with certain tenets that Nicodemus 
put forth.


 en agape,
 Bob 
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:50:35 EDT
From:         "Roger A. Phyall" <ROGER@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CYNDI CAIN'S FALSE WORDS.
              21 Aug 1992 08:13:00 EST from
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Yeah Dan:

     I'm with you, brother, but who or what is a Cyndi Cain?  I've been tied up
of late and so missed the thread containing her original writings.  A summary
of the 'subject lines' which contain them would be appreciated.

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:28:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Thank You Leo :-)

Leo,
   I was glad to read that we agree on some of the issues involved with
the debate on homosexuality.  I was not looking so much for agreement, but
just a response to specific points.  Thank you for blessing me twice.  I am
glad to hear that you are concerned enough about your family and others to
be motivated to read books on various subjects.  Mainly subjects that deal
with improving relationships.  Have a great weekend!

In Him,

Carl--------+
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:16:00 CDT
From:         MB09@SWTEXAS.BITNET
Subject:      Baby White is Here!!!

Hi All,

I just thought that I would let you know that David sent me a message about
10:45 last night and Baby White has arrived!!  She was born at 3:00 p.m. EDT
yesterday afternoon.  She weighed nine pounds and was 21 inches long.  Her
name is Sarah Elizabeth White.  Both mother and daughter are doing well!

Let us keep them in our prayers!

May Christ's Peace and Love be With You,

Michelle

P.S.  I am sure that Brenda is still no mail, so if you would like to write to
her, her address is BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU .
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:49:34 EDT
From:         MKLINE%VDH.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Home Schooling
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Subject: Home Schooling

With our children at 3.5, 12, 12, and 14, we haven't gotten to college yet.

I have found out that some of the colleges are writing the Home School
Associations and asking for lists of those graduating now a days. It's
been said many of those home schooled excelled and if colleges can
get them, it boosts their averages. With Rachel testing into the "15th"
and "16th" grade level now at 14 and "12.9" being graduating level, I
would think things will open up to her as well. There are also colleges
that offer scholarships to the home schooled as well.

Rachel is also in Civil Air Patrol and they have 1 or more scholarships.

Hope that helps. I'll know more when they get older... Hey, that's what
the Home School Associations are all about. There are 4 families on my
street alone that home school.

Maks
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:56:48 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: life

 A M E N
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