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From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:43:39 CST

>In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> 
>cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:
>
>> I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
>> to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
>> that you would recommend as essential motss reading:
>
In article <1grnmbINNcr2@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>John Fox, "Boys on the Rock"
>Ronald Firbank, "Concerning the Eccentricities of Cardinal Pirelli"
>Ronald Firbank, "Valmouth"
>Ronald Firbank, "Prancing Nigger"
>Frank O'Hara, "Selected Poems"

Betsy and Tacy Go Downtown - Maude Hart Lovelace
Frost in May - Antonia White
Bomba the Jungle Boy and the Lost City of Gold - Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Plague and I - Betty MacDonald

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:14:24 GMT

coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.074448.16874@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Was this designed to make sure that we relatively old motssers are
>confused as well?

No, that's just a bonus.
								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.223840.20089@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>end to the ban in the military; but I will *not* go along with
>this when the platform calls for morally debatable things, like
>abortion rights and national health care. Regardless of my own

One man's morally debatable may be another man's moral absolute.

However when campaigning it's wise tactics to stick to a single
objective and not lose the war because you opened battle on too
many fronts.

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Straight Friend's Opinions (was Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult)
Keywords: straight friends
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:01:07 GMT

exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>
>The other one... I really did have to laugh at
>the imagery, involved the case of a soldier knocking out another
>soldier so that he could have sex with him.  

Now *there's* a new approach!
But that's not what I wanted to follow up on.

>How much do you expect out of your straight friends (SF)?  I have a SF
>that doesn't think that gays should adopt, or that gays should be
>allowed to be married, simply because it's been that way all along,
>and it will take a while to get people used to the idea (i.e. SHE
>would take a while to get used to the idea).  I told her, in a
>nutshell - "fuck that - there is no such thing as TOO SOON when it
>comes to *my* rights - my rights are *NOT* debateable".  Our
>friendship has become strained because of this.  There is some merit
>to the question "what kind of friend is she if she can't take positive
>stances on gay issues"?  To anyone else who has a straight friend with
>whom they talk about these types of things, is your philosophy "either
>you're 100% with me, or you're against me" with regards to Gay Issues?

We have a SF who had just never *thought* about these things before we
came out to her.  (Which is no surprise, most people tend to not worry 
about things that don't effect them.)  But after educating her about
the problems and challenging her pre-conceived notions, she has come to
realize the discrimination involved.

If your friend can't be educated, maybe you should re-evaluate your friend-
ship.

-jeff
From: smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New DPN
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:57:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Tandem Computers

In article <1992Dec15.071930.14953@mic.ucla.edu>, cjones@physci.ucla.edu
(Chad Jones) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec14.061354.17633@netcom.com> Jack Hamilton,
> jfh@netcom.com writes:
> >- The recipe for Biffy Mae's Sexually Repressed Pecan Pie.
> 
> Oh, no.  I tried out Biffy Mae's Key Lime Pie recipe in a previous issue
> and almost puked, it was so rich.

Well, all of Biffy Mae's recipes do come under the heading of "Get Fat,
Don't Die"--and I can attest that Biffy Mae doesn't know ANYTHING about
cooking with yogurt or canola oil: it's Cholesterol City every time she
hits the kitchen.  The Pecan Pie is frightening.  Incredibly delicious, 
but frightening.
 
> Do they still print GAWK?  I believe DPN was an offshoot if that 'zine,
> but I've never seen it.  

Alas, GAWK was a 'zine that ran rather deeply in the red.  There is enough
material left in the Serene Editor's (aka The Dusty Deaditor) archives for
just about one more full issue, but noone has come forth with the cash
to pull it off.  Any volunteers?  

>I'm seronegative and don't get all the jokes in
> DPN, so I'd like to see GAWK.

Hmm...maybe there's an opportunity for a special seronegative translation 
edition of DPN...nah, just buy it for your HIV+ friends and go through it
with them.  I recommend doing this at bedtime, right after you've tucked
each other in.

By the way, the silent auction flyer that Jack Hamilton mentioned only went
out to subscribers, though if you're interested, I'm sure a call to the
Condom Resource Center in Oakland would get you a copy (they're in the 
book, but it's much more fun to ask for the number from Directory 
Assistance).  

If you're into gorgeous, muscled, Blond Bubble Butt Surf Boys 
(John, Kyle, Beau, Brian, Tim and the rest), I can _heartily_ recommend 
the Boogie Boarding Lesson.  *sigh*  ;-)


                                      Mod Bob

  
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:19:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
>So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
>queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"
>

How about Twinkies?  :)

--scoT

p.s. nobody'd get it.

-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads: women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:40:02 GMT

Ok, Steve Dyer writes:
>It wasn't intended to encourage women to post; it was intended to
>treat Tracey the same way I treat anyone making really outrageous
>claims.  Her article pissed me off: it dismissed what _is_ discussed
>here by people who happen to be interested whatever it is they discuss.
>Sorry, if someone comes in with a "fuck you" attitude towards this
>space that strikes me as unwarranted, she's going to get that back.
>This is an "equal opportunity 'fuck you'."

Steve, I think you are misreading Tracey's post. Yes, her words
contained a lot of anger, anger at the way she feels lesbians are
marginalized on soc.motss as well as in other places. I'm a little
pissed off that you chose to respond to her perception of soc.motss
with a "fuck you." If the topic is why don't more lesbians post, and
this is your response to one lesbian's explanation why, you've got
your answer right there.

> Mea culpa, mea culpa <beating breast>.  You're going to have to
>come up with more cogent stuff than this.  You sound like you just walked
>out of your women's studies class.

Perhaps instead of trivializing Tracey's words as being spouted from a
"women's studies class," you might consider that the material covered
in women's studies is actually valuable, useful and cogent, instead of
being the mere breast beating that you seem to think it is.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: That dead horse
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:15:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1gaqnkINNprj@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> Why did I hear that coming?  I can't think of anything
> that has so permanently damaged public discourse and
> intellectual life in 20th century America as has the
> consistent demonization of leftists

Leftists are as equally puss-filled as their rightest 
counterparts.  Both have visions of The Way the World
Should Be.  Both deserve 'demonization.'

Again, the Democratic Party is 'leftist' enough for you -
tough shit.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Check Your Local Paper Re:  Inaugural
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:06:37 CST

[Apologies if some earlier aborted attempts to send
this made it to your site.]

Yesterday's press conference about Clinton's Inaugural Parade
on January 20 included the news that one of the groups
performing at the Parade will be the "Lesbian and Gay
Band of America" (sic).

(Actually, although it is true that we will be
performing "at the parade," we will not be marching --
we will be stationed alongside the parade route, performing
for parade spectators.)

Today's Minneapolis Star Tribune included a small article
in their "Nation" section that included this news.  This
leads some of us to think that the story was picked up in
other papers around the country -- and perhaps the world,
who knows?.

I ask soc.motss readers, as a favor, to check your local
papers today for articles about the Inauguration that
mention the Lesbian and Gay band.  We are trying
to collect these articles for our records.

If you find an article and are willing to cut it out
and send it to me, please send me email (so I can avoid
asking more than one person to go to the trouble).
So far I have the article from the Minneapolis paper and the
article in today's Washington Post.

Thanks for any help you can offer here.

[More news when I have the chance, particularly on how
this came about -- and soc.motss was a part of it.  Thanks
Greg and Julian.]

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com



Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Check Your Local Paper Re:  Inaugural
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Yesterday's press conference about Clinton's Inaugural Parade
on January 20 included the news that one of the groups
performing at the Parade will be the "Lesbian and Gay
Band of America" (sic).

(Actually, although it is true that we will be
performing "at the parade," we will not be marching --
we will be stationed alongside the parade route, performing
for parade spectators.)

Today's Minneapolis Star Tribune included a small article
in their "Nation" section that included this news.  This
leads some of us to think that the story was picked up in
other papers around the country -- and perhaps the world,
who knows?.

I ask soc.motss readers, as a favor, to check your local
papers today for atricles about the Inauguration that
mention the Lesbian and Gay band.  We are trying
to collect these articles for our records.

If you find an article are willing to cut it out
and send it to me, please send me email (so I can avoid
asking more than one person to go to the trouble).
So far I have the article from the Minneapolis and the
article in today's Washington Post.

Thanks for any help you can offer here.

[More news when I have the chance, particularly on how
this came about -- and soc.motss was a part of it.  Thanks
Greg and Julian.]

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com




Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: j_babylo@oz.plymouth.edu (Jessica L. Babylon)
Subject: Re: Les joies de la langue!
Summary: Oui, je sais bien!
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 00:45:14 GMT

In article <BzH5Ms.60F@fig.citib.com> swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) writes:
>
>There are two very good books to keep handy,  "Merde" and "Merde Encore" by
>Geneveve.  These two books cover the necessary slang and filth one needs to
>survive in a french speaking country.  <smile>.
>
>-- 
>
>Steve Carpenter                                  
>5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
>(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122

yup yup, i agree!great books for french class when ya confoozle the
teacher, too:)

- Me
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:33:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1ggntgINNdo4@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> you haven't hung around queens enough.  In any case, some 
> things are opinion (it's a lovely day today; Meryl Streep
> is an exceedingly tiresome actress;

Girlfriend, you may as well keep your opinions straight, if 
nothing else...  Meryl Streep is "an exceptionally talented
mimic."

*X*
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bert and Ernie
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:53:41 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Dec14.055022.6701@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe) writes:
> 	Well from what I hear, I think Bert was killed off of Sesame  
Street
> because some parents believed that their young children watching Bert  
and
> Ernie might also think they were gay since they sleep in the same bed.  

Silly silly. Don't you know that they are the same character, but in  
different inertial frames?

Ernie, you see, is actually a relativistic image of Bert. He is simply  
foreshortened and redshifted. It is theorized that the immense  
intellectual density of Sesame Street generated a singularity that altered  
the local topology of the television studio, creating these two  
complimentary views of the same character.

It's all very simple once you understand string theory.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: A reply to Mr. Pierce (was Re: PHOBE ALERT: That XX Louis Sheldon...)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:27:22 GMT

>In article <1992Dec16.002944.2699@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>>Steve Dyer goes on to say:
>> >It's not that *I'm* offended, but that there are people who will be.
>>
>>Well, I don't offend all that easily.  But when someone uses 
>>"limp wristed" in my presence as a synonym for weak, I _am_
>>offended.
           <<and more, and thank you>>

While we're on the topic of offensensitivity (to steal from B. Breathed), I
would like to know how the women (and the men too, but primarily the women)
feel about the drag-queen subculture of the gay male scene.  I recently 
asked three (female) friends of mine if they found drag queens to be 
offensive to women, especially as they often attempt to epitomize the 
bitchy-catty stereotype of 'hard' women.  One (straight) woman said she
had no problem with it; another (straight) said she did not know enough
about it to say, but would love to attend a drag show with me; the third
(gay) woman said she did not find impersonators of specific famous women
to be offensive, but was offended by men who 'simply' dressed as women
and defined their own personalities within those roles.
Makes me think that the reactions to drag queens are as diverse as the
reactions to anything else that may be considered offensive, but I'd
still like to know what the motss-gang thinks of this.

-paul
 (not Anti-queen or Auntie Queen, but...)

-- 
Aunt Em,                                 I think we better go get some-
     Hate you.  Hate Kansas.             thing to eat before we end up 
     Taking the dog.                     like the Donner party.
                        Dot.                             Buster Bunny.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman)
Subject: Re: Ellen Degeneres (was Re: Margaret Cho Alert!!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.195025.25226@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu 
(Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>In article <168BAAB00.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
>
>>Because I am gay I would kill to have sex with Ellen Degeneres, and
>>at the risk of starting another round of those dreadful is-she-or-
>>isn't-she threads, is she or isn't she? And what about Paula Pound-
>>stone?

My sincerest holiday wish for you all is that Ellen Degeneres
*is*.  She's fabulous; it'd be great to have her in our camp.
Yes, even though I'm gay, I'd kill to have sex with her.  Well,
I'd kill to talk with her for a *really* long time.

I love Paula Poundstone too; her "I'm up to a box of Poptarts
a day" routine had me in pain because I was laughing so hard.
And the pilot bit:  "People on the left . . . we HATE the
people on the right."  Brilliance.

In interviews, she says she's asexual.  She avoids sex.  She
hates sex.  Sex has no part in her life.  No no nosiree; sex
is so much not part of her life it's really not worth talking
about anymore.

Which,  by the way, is an attitude I had before coming out.
You be the judge.

--Don
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:39:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.042238.25428@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
> In article <BzH9Fp.72u@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> 
> >Don't forget, "Happy Solstice!".
> 
> I *loathe* solstices.  The impending one marks my having to get UP in 
> the dark, and drive HOME in the dark.  The one in the other half of
> the year has enough light, but in far too much of the world (i.e.,
> where I have found myself living :-)) signifies oppressive heat and
> humidity.

  You don't live in the right part of the world. Today, here nearly 
on the Solstice, it is 60 degrees, crystal clear, snow on the mountains,
Catalina and San Clemente islands clear as a bell. From Newport Coast,
I could actually even see the high rises in downtown (about 50 miles
away, right into the smog belt). Pretty soon all of the hills will get
green again, and the daffodils will start to bloom. It's really pretty
here in the winter after storms...
  Summer solstice isn't too bad either. We are normally breaking out
of June gloom mode with highs in the 80's. Humidity? What's that?

> I'm an equinox type, myself.

  Yeah, they're nice too.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
	<18131@autodesk.COM> <1992Dec14.224637.13139@samba.oit.unc.edu>
	<thaaang.724380853@cwis>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:28:27 GMT

THAANG Writes:

   The guys that make Ren & Stimpy are all hot, begoatee'd grungy people,
   which cements in *my* mind that they must be queer. (*drool*)

I recently met (briefly) the voice of stimpy... definitely high on the
gaydar scale. (We have a mutual friend, I'll ask.)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Lesbian opera queens
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:19:19 GMT

In article <1gdp8gINN30i@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.042141.5107@tc.cornell.edu> 
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>> In article <1gbn21INN1ug@mizar.usc.edu>
>> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> >I've known lesbians who were *crazy* for Joan Sutherland, for 
>> >instance, but I've never met a lesbian version of an opera
>> >queen.  Do they exist?  
>>
>> Not in my experience.  I know many lesbians who attend the
>> opera regularly, but none who do the whole opera queen
>> thing.
>
>Yes, that's been my experience, too.  I've noticed that there
>are a few singers with devoted lesbian followings (Joan Sutherland,
>but also, in the early part of the century, Geraldine Farrar, whose
>female fans were called "Gerryflappers"), but the interest seems
>to be much more focussed on an individual singer, and the range of 
>knowledge and appreciation are less encyclopedic than among opera
>queens.
>
>>  The closest I've known was an ex of mine whose
>> field was 17th century French opera.  She hated it, though,
>
>And who can blame her?
>
>> so we spent one rainy Sunday morning browsing the Chicago
>> yellow pages in search of a new career for her.  She ended
>> up going back to school to study book restoration, and last
>> I heard was in Atlanta working for the Georgia State
>> Archives.
>
>Why do archives and libraries always seem to attract so many
>gay men and lesbians?  Curious.
>
>> Anyway, to the extent that there might be a lesbian
>> aesthetic (and that's certainly arguable), it's my
>> impression that opera clashes with it.
>
>Are there any lesbian cults on a par with the whole opera-, 
>movie-, Broadway-queen cults among (many) gay men?  I haven't
>ever noticed such a thing, but then I haven't any idea what
>might be considered as a lesbian aesthetic.

Frighten the Horses. Interview. On Our Backs. Vanity Fair. The New Yorker.
The Face. I-D. ArtForum. AD. HG. W. Yellow Silk. NYR. UTNE Reader. Sulfur.

I find that publishing is becoming increasingly put together by women,
high and low-end, and in many places, for women. Following Tina Brown.
Following Annie Liebowitz. ArtForum to Interview. And so on.

It certainly is refreshing compared to 'Esquire' and 'M' (folded). I
can't think of a better outline of whit I would feel would be Lesbian
aesthetic than the last 6 months of these magazines. 'Spy' still seems
resolutely straight, male, but I like it all the same.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)
Subject: uk-motss mailing list
Organization: Jenny Agutter Fan Club
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:20:36 +0000

It's a while since I posted anything about uk-motss here, and it seems
as good a way as any to announce that I now have a proper feed of
soc.motss at home. I may even have time to read it again :-)

Here goes....

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