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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Prediction of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:16:59 GMT

I'm going to go out on a limb here and post my predictions for the
conference.  These were worked out over the last week based on my
study of the various campaigns.  I don't have a degree in political
science, but... well, here it goes:

*1*  The platform will be revised to remove abortion and "choice"
issues completely.  This will be a compromise measure due to the
pro-Choice Republicans floor-fight.  Ex-Gov Tom Kean (NJ) might lead
the fight.  By not officially being "either position" Bush will attempt
to please both the radical right and the moderate Republicans.  This
will be done so-as to neutralize the ability of NOW to launch a
successful "base your vote solely on the abortion issue" campaign.

*2*  We will go to war.  Iraq will be accused of not letting us verify
the treaty whether or not they actually let the U.N. in.  Troops will
be shipped out.

*3*  Something really bad will happen at the convention.  Either the
indoor fireworks will backfire and injure people; a protest group will
succeed in disrupting the ceremony (or broadcast of it) at a critical
point; or etc.

*4*  Clinton/Gore will get more press than what is said at the
convention.

*5*  Either Bush or Quayle will not be on the ticket by the end of the
week.  (If this comes true, it will be the only event that might get
more press than Clinton/Core).

*6*  Something *really* bad about Bush will be revealed.  It will
either have to do with banking, his health, or a report that Bush had
Perot's phone tapped.

*7*  No new allegations (the Genifer Flowers type) against Clinton will
be revealed.

*8*  Bush will say at least one directly homophobic comment (rather
than his usual covert comments).

*9*  At least one "surprise speaker" will speak at the convention.

*10*  Bush will make a HUGE promise on the order of magnatude of "No
new taxes."

Now it's time to wait and see!

Tom Limoncelli
8:05PM, Aug 16, 1992

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Keywords: drag
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:22:35 GMT

    Message-ID: <4576@news.duke.edu>
    From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (the m.dean)

    >...Drag, in my opinion, is a means to cover up perceived deficiencies in
    >one's own character by portrying a fantasy. 

The deficiency that wearing leather solved for me was a deficiency
in the amount of leathersex I was getting. 

And if the above theory is correct, I must be covering up a perceived
lack of submissiveness in my character... hmmm, I'll think about that
one some more...

David Christopher Rogers


Newsgroups: soc.motss,sci.physics,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
From: Z57N000 <Z57N@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:15:06 GMT

In article <zlsiida.43@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <2A945C8C.15126@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug21.022459.11564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>>>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>>>>Jesus Saves
>>>
>>>Gretzky Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!
>
>>Jesus save, Moses invests.
>
>>Jesus saves sinners -- and redeems them for VALUABLE CASH PRIZES!!!
>
>>Any more out there?
>
Jesus saves by shopping at Woolco on $1.49 days?

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DARELLA CASSANDRA PIERSON ("Relkie")

"Love dares you to care for the people on the edge of the night And love
dares you to change our way of caring about ourselves..." QUEEN and
DAVID BOWIE -- "Under Pressure"
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:37:22 GMT

Roger B.A. Klorese (rogerk@queernet.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug12.055418.9059@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
: >Lets see the people proposing this make it apply to there age range
: >as well.
: 
: OK, I will: as an alternative to military service, three or six months
: every five years from age 18 to 65.
: -- 
During the Vietnam draft, I'd have signed up for this in a second. 
Even now, it looks good to me; I'd like to do something different for
a while.  I wonder how the money would work out, though.  I suppose
people would have to try to save up to cover the difference
between, in my case, an engineering salary and the mandatory service
pay. 

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA.)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:32:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug20.063221.4793
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug20.012058.5470@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:
>Oh, and as for you three ladies and me "on top":  
>There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
>actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).

well, he sure showed *you*. Bob's just pulled out the biggest insult he
can imagine - he's called you a woman. How do you spell misogyny?

Understand now why I was babbling so much about why words like
"masculine" and "effeminite" and "women" weren't useful?

>I had no idea that you three debutantes were so incestuously interconnected.
>Thank you for settling a bet for me, though, and making me $10 richer.  

>I bet another masc. gay friend that none of the net queens on
>soc.motss would be able to offer coherent counterarguments.

this is parody, right?

ObMotss - I just went to a garage sale and bought 4 tuning forks. I
have no idea what key they are in.
-- 
                __
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:39:01 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <l954njINN5hr@mizar.usc.edu>,
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> > He's started to send me 100-200 page letters in which he
> 
> Bozo's letters only seem that long.  They're really only
> 100-200 *lines* in length.

So you're using a one-line terminal?  Fine by me.

... before I begin.]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"To my surprise I find out I have a great imagination." -- Ivana Trump
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.012058.5470@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:

I agreed with you in e-mail to drop the personal snipes and attempt an
actual discussion.  Never mind.  I find this insipid house brand of
woman-hating so intensely hateful that it eliminates any motive I
might have had to carry on a conversation with you.  Personal insults
are for me a dime a dozen, and I can ignore them with the best of
them.

Here, though, you have insulted not me (apparently your intent), but
my friends and some of those people I hold dearest, and that I will
not forgive.  I will not even take the satisfaction of presenting a
cogent argument in order to see your dear ten dollars taken away; the
effort is beneath me.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 1992 12:44:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <onuvgvs@fido.asd.sgi.com> 
pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
> In article <l928ovINNe3n@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >I'm just not willing to be party to the lovefest
> >without seeing the goods first.
>
> You're not one of those dreadful people who insists on putting their
> hand up your shirt to make sure you're not fat before they'll go home with
> you, are you?  

No, I'm not one of those dreadful people.

> Or asking you what you like to do in bed and if it's not getting your
> nipples tweeked while you suck their balls and their landlord fucks you and
> their dentist scrapes your plaque then they call it off?  

Heavens no.  I wouldn't dream of inflicting my landlord on
anyone.  Oh, that's not true.  I'd *love* to see my landlord
give it to Bozo from Microsoft.

> No, I suspect you just want to make sure their record collection's 
> O.K. before you'll go to their place.

So, Pauli, do you have Lee Wiley's "Night in Manhattan" on CD?

Arne
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: musical finale
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:34:40 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug22.155847.17936@unlinfo.unl.edu>
cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:

>I think my preference would be 
>more of a an incremental farewell to this world:

>Schumann: Second Movement, Quartet in A Major

>Mozart: Aria from Zaide
>        Masonic Funeral Music (no, I don't wear aprons)

>Bach:   Et resurrexit from the Mass in B Minor (not for religious 
>        content, but for joy)

>It seems to me that JSB is necessary for any *proper*
>introduction to Eternity.

>Or, maybe, just the Berg Violin Concerto.

Dearest, baby, honey-lamb, you've been keeping secrets!
Those in the know about such things are scarcer than hen's
teeth in these precincts (though there are a very few others
that I know of, including one first-rate composer).

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: redefining masculinity
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:20:14 GMT

arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) accuses 
*me* of being voice-ist [almost]:
 
> How sweet of you.  But then what would *you* know about being
> disatisfied with one's voice, Silver Tonsils?  <Bats eyelashes> 

Ha!  Me?  I go along with Jack: when I hear my own
whiney, nasal voice on tape it *grates* on my nerves.

But the, who am *I* to dispute your evaluation?

[GM, butch talker, seeks same for manly conversation.]
 
> Don't you think I'd sound, um, nicer, if my voice were lower 
> and huskier?

Not at all.  I like your voice; it's you.  I suppose
that had it been lower and huskier it would have been
you too, but it's too late now.  I don't see why it
would be an improvement over your already Euphonious
Voice.

I *am* interested in TheVoice, however.  I have been
said to demonstrate it at times too, and I believe it.
Listening closely when a [straight] friend of my attempts
his version of camp, with a try at TheVoice [which is an
interesting test case because he does it *so* miserably], 
it would seem to have more to do with emphasis, rhythm,
and modulation than with pitch, although pitch might
change its perception by others.

Still, what's wrong with TheVoice?  Shame on you,
Arne dearest.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Rob B.
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: a note on postings
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:47:52 GMT

(this is a follow-up to wendy's post not because it takes off from
what she said, but just because it tickles me to be *following* wendy.)

in clearing out, moving, and printing out files, i have come across
what i think is the last of rob's postings that i responded to.  on
the use of the term "breeder".  it was dated *16 july*, and my
response came along the next day.  

looking at the calendar, this is hardly any time ago.  in my, our,
emotional world it is so far back that i can hardly remember our
ever having discussed the topic.

arnold

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Credit Union Memberships for Domestic Partners?
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:58:48 GMT

Sounds like a perfect oppurtunity to hit those backwards CU
people aside the head with a well-written letter of request...
maybe even collecting signatures from other CU members.
Anyone else in a similar situation?  It doesn't happen by
itself folks (well not usually)... you have to ask... err,
demand your equal rights!

-- 
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Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Responses to people dying
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:58:01 GMT

Some of my immediate responses to Rob's dying:

- Checking netnews every minute or so to see if anyone else
  posted something about him

- Needing to close my office door to cry by myself a while

- Realizing one can't "finger" @mtdiablo.concord.us.ca

- grepping through old files looking for messages from him

- Hurried searches through /usr/spool/news/soc/motss to try to 
  get the last messages posted by him before they expired.  (none left)

- Realizing I should have got that damn .GIF file of him from
  spdcc.com before he had them pulled

- Sent a message to rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us (which didn't bounce)
  which for some crazy reason made me feel it was more likely he'd
  "see" it

- Searching through subject lines in the morning to find articles
  about him

- Idle thought about what he would have been like in bed

- Guessing what he would have said to the dunderheads currently posting,
  and if his lack of posting is somehow responsible for the robust crop
  we've been getting

- Wondering how many people I no longer see are also gone but 
  left invisibly so we can't even mourn

David Christopher Rogers
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay liberation
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:53:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.055353.18693
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <7=0m2-b.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (well girded Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>this weird book titled "Straight talk about homosexuality for
>>straight readers".
>You read that book!?

Sadly, I did. It scared the hell out of me. I was 15, didn't know much
about what it was to be gay except for an unhappy alocholic friend of
my mothers and some vague political understanding of equal rights. I'm
searching for some meaning of what it is to be gay, and I run into
something like:

>A:  Shove it deeper, master!
>B:  Take it, you bitch!

it freaked me out. (of course, I don't know what would have happened
had I *not* read this book - it might not have been any easier.)

Now don't get me wrong - in the right context you just might hear me
yelling "shove it deeper, master!" But when I was 15, and scared, and
confused. Well, it wasn't quite what I needed then.

>The thought that anyone might have taken that book seriously is
>really frightening.

just more evidence that counselors, especially youth counselors, need
to be *trained* how to handle people coming to terms with a
non-standard sexual orientation. I know he meant perfectly well - I
imagine he thought the book was good because the title wouldn't scare
me off. But oh god..

I also ran into "Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Sex" some
time in there, but by that time I knew enough not to take the garbage
about homosexuality correct. It did get me off, though. Lots of
masturbation talk.

The Hite Report on Male Sexuality was much better - it was positive, too.

>(When is the interrobang going to be added to the ASCII character set?)

are you a typography queen? Wanna design a character? I don't even
have it in my default X font.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     You can't have the revolution without good typesetting
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:02:22 GMT

I'm joining this thread a bit late so I apologize if I'm being
repetitive, but is anyone else but me reminded of the "hacker" vs.
"cracker" debate in the comp.unix.* groups that pop up whenever someone
uses either term?

----------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
<Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
"There comes a time in the history of every project when it becomes
necessary to shoot the engineers and start production."
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo (Responses to people dying)
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:07:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug19.222256.14441@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.195801.13525@riacs.edu> drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers) writes:
>>- Realizing I should have got that damn .GIF file of him from
>>  spdcc.com before he had them pulled
>
>I put them back this week, David.  I suppose that's flouting Rob's
>request to pull them earlier this year, but I thought that these would
>be additional memorials, since they capture him in all his Rob-ery.
>I didn't want to leave motss without his pictures; words and memory
>can only do so much.
>
>Just look at rob_bernardo.and.oriana.gif, which is a magnificent
>picture.  It was submitted to me--I don't recall who snapped it and
>scanned  it, but it's not only technically wonderful, it's also
>the quintessential Rob, kissing his horse, Oriana.

If this is the picture that looks like it's been taken out in the
country-side,  it's the one that was actually taken in Rob's corral
and I had erased the corral fence with software.  I delighted in
showing Rob on how I could scan in photographs and "enhance" them.

I probably have some more photos that we could scan and make available
if people are interested.

Chuck
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From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What the phobes really want
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:58:26 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes about that Gay Problem and just what
should we do with these poor sods, anyway?...

>	Eventually we all end up being relocated to Delaware.

Lord, what a nightmare!  So that's my subconscious reason why I'm not too keen
to return Stateside.  (OK, my sister lives in Delaware.)

Yeah, I know, like I'll really be *safe* hiding out over here....

>BBC

 JEP,
	  remembering all too well the history lessons, and knowing this
	  country has been there before, so yes, it really can happen
	  (Trail of Tears; or Chief Joseph, for that matter.... plus
	   many other names, forgotten)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.235448.2381@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.205835.18272@adobe.com>,
>asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>
>> No, heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.
>
>No, heaven, heaven is a place, a place where nothing, nothing ever happens.

And where they don't know shit about the Air, or what?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:11:29 GMT

Ok I ventured in here and tracked down this thread.  Nice post but 2
things I dont quite understand:  

In article <1992Aug17.200437.8659@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ary@po.CWRU.Edu (Abd R. Yatim) writes:

>
>2.  The heart of the issue is the sense that in relations with
>Euro-Americans (or with caucasians generally around the globe),
>there is ALWAYS an element of domination/subordination present
          ^^^^^^
>because caucasians are (and historically have been) in quite
>dominant positions in the U.S. and elsewhere.
>
	Maybe in the slavery time but I wouldnt say ALWAYS.  A white man
is just a white man, I dont see why a relationship between a white
person and a none-white person must be based on domination/subordination.
Is inferiority on the nonwhite person implied?  True, caucasians are dominant
politically in the US and elsewhere but this I dont think has any things
to do with the relationship in discussion.

>4.  I prefer instead to take things case-by-case.  Take a good look
>at the people involved and make judgements accordingly.  It is
>true, for example, that many Asian men seek some sort of validation
 ^^^^ (maybe?)
>here in the U.S. through the pursuit of white guys.

	Fail to understand why Asian American men need to seek validation
 here in the good US of A.  If they so do, why through white guys?

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|                       (*)/ (*)   |   hard driven ball either"  -- my captain|
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
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| Dan Lam                  __o     | Ok, ok I am not Dan O'Brian.  Reebok
|                       (*)/ (*)   | Nikes just to be like Mike.  Mike
| Chicago, Il                      | who?  Mike Dodd. 
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From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: PARTY!
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:58:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <22541@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com (Christina Black]) writes:
>I'm having a Clinton For President Party -- Queers for Clinton, Bis for
>Bill, Homos (and Hets) for Hillary, Gays for Gore, etc. etc.

Gosh, I'd hate to end up a Transgenderist for Tipper....
-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com