HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GOP violates Constitution
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:59:41 GMT
Organization: United States of America
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Sep1.162745.25211@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>
>In article <17uk8uINNdoo@agate.berkeley.edu> bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>] ...
>]  no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
>]  office or public trust under the United States
>] ...
>]    --Brad Sherman (bks@alfa.berkeley.edu)
>                              ^^^^^^^^
>
>Berkeley... I was out there a couple of weeks ago. Just as looney as it
>was the last time I was there (1968).
>
>john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
      ^^^^^^^

Anasazi... Aren't they the Americans who fought for 100 years (17th century)
to prevent the Europeans from imposing their religious orthodoxy?  Not
particularly appropriate for a Buchanan apologist.

Than an apparent association with one of the best universities in the 
world would consitute fodder for an attack does seem consistent, however.

Here in Berkeley we _do_ envy the cultural advantages of Scottsdale.
Not every city is lucky enough to have spring training as the wellspring
of intellectual stimulation.
----

    --Brad Sherman (bks@alfa.berkeley.edu)

Home of the Free Speech Movement, tie-dye shirts, the best book
stores in the USA, and more Nobel Prize winners than any other
city in the world.


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From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked (Wall Street Journal Aug 5)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:55:07 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <67+nz3d.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>
>So I am proposing merging the two taxes into the umbrella of the Income Tax and 
>to discontinue having the ~$55K ceiling on it since it would be buried
>in the Income Tax anyway and making adjustments in the tax rates would
>be able to provide the effect if still desired.
>
What would you do about the employer's half of the FICA contribution?

Paul.
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Date: 2 Sep 1992 14:41:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio) says:
>
>In English, this goes something like "Culturally deprived ignorami are 
>stellarly informed, refined or erudite minds."            ^^^^^^^^

Ignoramuses. "Ignoramus" is not a noun in Latin, but means "we do not
know." Since it is only used as a noun in English, it should be given
an English plural form.
-- 
          "In universities, it is forbidden to teach nonsense. 
          But the _history_ of nonsense -- that's scholarship!"

                                            -- Saul Lieberman
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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:58:38 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Aug28.154414.17551@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>In article <rrqyzl#@rpi.edu>, jacksonk@aaron.cs.rpi.edu (Keith Jackson) writes:
>
>|> I can see how he could get "kill their children" from his pro-life
>|> (anti-choice) stance, but where the hell does he get "practice witchcraft?"
>|> Anyone got a clue into this idiot's mind?
>
>	"New Age" religion.
>
That is where it comes from, and it's only a small portion of the feminist
movement, as it is only a small portion of society in general.


  - Dave Borden
    borden@m5.harvard.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:17:11 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

jacksonk@aaron.cs.rpi.edu (Keith Jackson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.011842.28335@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>>Instead, the letter said, "it is about a socialist, anti-family,
>>political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands,
>>kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
>>become lesbians."
> ...

>I can see how he could get "kill their children" from his pro-life
>(anti-choice) stance, but where the hell does he get "practice witchcraft?"
>Anyone got a clue into this idiot's mind?

According to many evangelicals, and 99.99% of the fundamentalists, "New
Age" is witchcraft, allong with Wicca, etc.  Any 'pagan' rituals would
likely fall under this.  Biblically, he'll point out the warnings against
astrologers, etc.

He's missed a MAJOR part of the message: love and tolerance.  Heck, Jesus
hung around with 'tax collectors and sinners.'  And he also commanded us to
love our enemies.  "Do not even the pagans love their friends"...

He's hung up on the idea that God has somehow ordered a Christian Govt. for
the US (and the world) when the Bible says no such thing.  But, alas, you
won't get most evangelicals or fundamentalists to admit this.

 -Steve
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:38:52 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> In article <4P9BqB6w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
> >>
> >> But, you see, those fundies are the Good Guys!  All those RC are evil
> >> papists, in the employ of Satan.  Being dominated by the religious
> >> right is GOOD!
> >
> >Hey, those papists are anti-abortion also.  You noticed that most of the fun
> >preachers have toned down their attacks against Catholics?  Shoot, even
> >Swaggart was forced to back off of the RCC before his demise.  If the radica
> >religious right ever gets its way on abortion, then they'll go back to bashi
> >the evils of Rome...
>
> Oops, I forgot.  I was even down at the abortion clinic when Cardinal
> O'Connor was there praying, with gaggles of Operation Rescue folk
> there along with Johnny Boy's usual flock.  OR needs the Catholic's
> numbers so they won't be grossly outnumbered.
>
>
>
> --
> Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song
> Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
>                       -- T.S. Eliot, "The Wasteland"

They're also very much a tempering force on the OR crazies.  Catholics tend not
to go in for the violent confrontation theory.  Sure, you got exceptions, but
things would be a lot more violent at the clinics if the Catholic pro-life
forces joined in full force.

Problem is that a lot of Catholics can be liberal on issues other than
abortion, and do not vote single-issue.  Most Catholic clergy tend to be
extremely liberal, and have little respect for GOP policies in Central America
and Africa.



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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Convention news...
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:58:34 GMT

Now for something compleely different:


Man is it irritating when people don't use th ole <RETURN> key when
they type in their posts. They seem to think that when they reach
the end of their screens that the text will magically word-wrap-inserting-
the-ol'-carriage-return. This is annoying. PLEASE USE A RETURN!

It isn't asking for much. 

Thanks,

-Garrett

We now resume your regularly scheduled programming (no pun intended :)...
From: Tom.Cavender@iphase.UUCP (Tom Cavender)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: convention review
Date: 23 Aug 92  17:55:00 EST

-> "The Buck Stops Here". Republicans always seem to need someone to
-> blame. That's all you ever hear from them. When things work in their
-> favour, it's GOOD (Reagan/Bush are solely responsible for the
-> collapse of the Soviet Union - yet, the EVIL DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED
-> CONGRESS _CONSPIRACY_ gets no credit for APPROVING the Reagan $4T
-> budget deficit which 'was responsible for the collapse of the SU'.),
-> when things don't it's them damned EVIL Democratic Congress-people! Exactly.  Everything good is the product of the Republican executive branch, while everything bad comes from the "LIBERAL CONGRESS!"  You'd think that liberalism was cahmunism, or something!  Sheesh!

-> "The Buck Stops Here". Republicans always seem to need someone to
-> blame.
With George Herbert Walker Bush, the Buck stops everywhere BUT his desk!!

-> "The Buck Stops Here". Let's face it folks. The Republican Party has
-> become a joke, cow-towing to Falwell and the rest of the TV
-> evangelists. It makes me sick. Buchannan is especially scary. Yep.  But I think Falwell takes a back seat to Pat Robertson in the co-opting of the Republican Party.  I call the Republican Convention "Cotton Comes to Houston", as Cotton Mather's vision for a greater, theocratic America was championed by the likes of Robertson from the podium and several delegates from the floor.  Bruce Morton, on the day before the convention on CBS SUNDAY MORNING, said that Pat Robertson had more delegates at this conve
ntion than at the last one, and Robertson was a candidate in '88.  A "kinder, gentler America"-- if you're a white, male, conservative, fundamentalist Christian, who has beaucoups bucks.

The ones I really feel sorry for are people like William Weld and Tom Kean, the former Governor of New Jersey.  As moderate Republicans, they had to put up with Buchanan and Robertson and company and hang their heads in shame as Republicans.

Pax,

<<<Tom Cavender>>>
Vote Republican-- It's Easier than Thinking!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot
From: gerard@caliban.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: New poll results
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:54:52 GMT

In article <Btz1D2.K61@well.sf.ca.us>, rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep2.130219.5028@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
|>  jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
|> >
|> >   poll                  dates      Clinton Bush    gap
|> >   ====================  =========  ======= ====    ===
|> >   ABC/Post              8/21-8/23     47    42      5
|> >   ABC/Post              8/21-8/25     51    41     10
|> >   ABC/Post              8/26-8/30     55    36     19
|> >   Gallup/Newsweek       8/27-8/28     49    39     10
|> >   Yankelovich/Time/CNN  8/25-8/27     46    40      6
|> >   Times/CBS             8/23-8/24     51    36     15
|> >
|> 

How wonderful it would be if Americans would follow David Frost's
advice to the British:  "When they ask you how you're going to vote,
lie."  The people did.  The polls became erratic and useless for
planning strategy.  Not knowing which side was going to win the people
chose to consider the issues and vote for themselves.

|> I note with interest that the *minimum* "neither of these" response
|> above is 8%, and the maximum is a whopping 14%.  While I'd like to
|> claim that all of these people are going to vote Libertarian, even
|> I'm not *that* optimistic.  

Wasn't that ultimate in laissez-faire Presidents, Ronald Reagan, the
epitome of a Libertarian?

-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)      | Ignorance is impregnable.
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology  |  -Kieth Mather
University of Hawaii at Manoa                 | (University of Alaska, 1970)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Question about speeches.....
Organization: NASA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:49:57 GMT

Steve Stacy + Audra writes
>    This may sound like a stupid question, and may have nothing to do
> with what this news group usually talks about, but I could think of
> nowhere else to ask it.
>    What are the small rectangular tinted pieces of glass that are 
> on metal bars on either side of the president whenever he makes a speech
> used for?  I have always wondered.  It's the kind of thing that keeps
> you up a night, know what I mean?  
>    Anyways, an answer would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for your time.

  Those are called teleprompters.  Politicians don't want to memorize 50+  
minute speeches, and don't want to have to keep looking down at a script.  So  
their techies set up these devices, which reflect the image of a video screen  
mounted below; the screen has a scrolling text of the speech being given.  The  
reflecting glass is treated with an angular reflection filter which makes the  
text invisible to anyone who is not looking straight into it.  So while the  
speaker can either look to his left or right to read the speech, the TV news  
cameras see only a clear glass.

  In the 1988 GOP convention, one of the cameras was mounted behind and to the  
left of the lectern.  During Bush's speech, this camera had a full view of the  
text he was reading.  This year, the Republicans avoided that mistake.

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From: saarinen@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen)
Subject: Re: Bush Announces Sale of F-15E's to Iraq
Keywords: yes
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:43:27 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>In article <21.X92001@ramona.com> jwest@ramona.com (Jim Western) writes:
>: Los Angeles (UPI) - This morning, in a speech to Southern California
>: aircraft workers, President George Bush announced the sale of 50
>: ultra-tech F-15E fighter planes to Iraq. The fleet will replace Iraq's
>: air force which was stolen by Iran during the Gulf War. Each plane
>: will be delivered with a complimentary, specially-tooled version of
>: The Club anti-theft device. "I want to be the Jobs President," said Bush
>: to the cheering throng.

>	This is a joke, right?

No, its an election year pledge.
From: fay@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: A challange to Clintonopiles
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:05:01 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


> How many {...}
> are willing to bet me that Clinton will have the total misery index under 10
> by January 1, 1996? The details: If the index is under 10 by then I'll
> donate $100 to NOW. But first I want to see 10 Democrats who are willing,
> if the index is above 10, to donate $100 to Pat Robertson.
>  
> Any takers? Public acceptence only, please.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

Make it to the GOP ticket of Jack Kemp and Tom Kean, and you'll have yourself a
deal.  (Like I really believe our country will be samrt enough by then to make
that good a choice...not anti-democratic, just jaded).

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Subject: an ominous sign
Reply-To: johng@lucid.com (John Gregory)
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:12:52 GMT


In my home town of Redwood City, CA there is
a section of town where the streets are
named for Presidents.  There is a cross
street running from Jefferson to Roosevelt
that is named.... Clinton.  

Prescient street planning? :-)
From: Tom.Cavender@iphase.UUCP (Tom Cavender)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject:  quayles look familiar?
Date: 20 Aug 92  19:22:00 EST

-> Answer: it's because Dan looks JUST like Princess Di and Marilyn
-> looks JUST like Prince Charles!  (It's true, look closely).

And I thought that Dan looked like Pat Sajak and Marilyn was the spitting image of Mary Tyler Moore!

Pax,

<<<Tom Cavender>>>
"Oh Mister Graaaaant!"

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From: aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Who toppled Communism??
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:10:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Aug25.025652.24784@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>
>
>... If you travel to eastern europe, you will find
>out that many people there and in Russia consider Reagan to be their
>liberator. Lech Walesa got a lot of aid from Reagan (via the pope).

I think that it is prepostereous to argue that Reagan is considered a
liberator in the ex-Eastern bloc.  Have you heard of any monuments to
honor the aforementioned liberator?  I'm sure not.  

Wake up and smell the coffee :-)

Aldo Castillo
Mountain View, California


Disclaimer:  the opinions presented here are mine only -- and vi's
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From: blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,rec.humor
Subject: Re: On the Attention Span of Americans
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:31:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <16846B19B.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>First of all, I am an American.  I am proud of it as well.   But I am
>dismayed by our limited attention span.

Could you post something a little shorter and to the point?

;-)

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Perot threatens to return!!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:31:00 GMT

In article <y7cVPB1w164w@Moneybin.equinox.gen.nz>,
scrooge@Moneybin.equinox.gen.nz (Glenn Murphy) writes:
>In New Zealand our media are reporting stories from the US that Perot
>unhappy with the economic policies of both Bush and Clinton and is saying
>that if there is not some changes he will rejoin the race for the
>Presidency. He appearantly still has offices in all 50 states and says the
>infrastructure is still in place for him to remount the campaign.
>
>Any comments from America?

Perot never disbanded any of his organization when he "dropped out"
of the presidential race.  I suspect he was always planning to come
back in. Saying he was out just took the heat off him for a while.

Anyway, we should know for sure by the end of the week.  The
California Secretary of State has said that she will only put
Perot's name on the ballot if she receives a letter from him by
August 27, the deadline for everything to be on the California
ballot, satteing that he is indeed a candidate.  Unless Perot gets
on the California ballot he can't claim he's serious about any of
it.

/June
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:20:23 GMT

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:

>Steve, you said something like "next he'll ... about the astrologers."

>	Were you referring to those three wise men that followed the
>	star to Bethlehem?  I always thought they were what we would
>	nowadays call astrologers.

Astrology/Astronomy didn't really differ much back then...although there
was some good, basic scientific work done in the Middle East, it was
fraught with what we call today astrology...

 -Steve
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From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: re: liberal v. conser
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:19:46 GMT

Who is screwing up causeing this junk to be posted again and again and again ?

	Carl Edman

Tom Cavender writes
> From: Tom.Cavender@iphase.UUCP (Tom Cavender)
> Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
> Path:  
orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uunet!infoserv!iphase!Fred 
Gate
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
> Subject: Re: re: liberal v. conser
> Message-ID: <714723026.0@iphase.FidoNet.Org>
> Date: 18 Aug 92  18:45:00 EST
> Lines: 26
> 
> -> Now don't be silly. The Republicans are the only major party who have
> -> a workable, fundamental solution to the dismal state of education.
> -> The Democrats - ever eager to please the teachers unions - are quite
> -> happy to defend the status quo indefinitely.
> 
> Perhaps you would like to enumerate "The Education
> President"'s "vision" for American education.  One
> would only hope that it's better than his "vision" for
> American business and the economy! :->
> 
> Seriously, a system of vouchers is yet another ploy to
> appease Pat "Ayatollah" Robertson and his band of
> crazies.  It plays heavily toward sectarian schools that
> have been dominated by fundamentalists and
> charismatics.
> 
> And isn't it altogether possible that vouchers would be
> contrary to the Establishment Clause of the First
> Amendment?  After all, wouldn't the government be
> funding religious instruction?  I remember a case from
> the forties or fifties (can't remember the name of the
> case) in which the Supreme Court decided that it was o.k.
> to provide transportation to private schools since the
> money didn't directly go to religious instruction, and
> it served a higher, secular purpose (education).  The
> voucher program a
> 
> the government to fund (through the backdoor) religious
> instruction.
> 
> The emphasis ought to be on improving public education
> and preserving the First Amendment, rather than
> supporting the Religious Right. 
> 
> Pax,
> 
> <<<Tom Cavender>>>
> 
> ======================================================================
> 
> "Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking!"
>        --Abbie Hoffman
> 
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