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From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Subject: Re: Rambos
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:54:21 GMT
Summary: you got the wrong Reba!

In article <KEMERY.92Sep11120958@dante.nmsu.edu>, kemery@nmsu.edu (Kendal Emery) writes:
> 
> For all questioning the Rambo's......
> 
> Buck and Dottie Rambo,  the Parents
> Reba Rambo, Daughter (Yes, the famous country singer)
> 
> Dottie wrote most of the songs,  Hits included "Build my Mansion
> Next door to Jesus"  "Behold the Lamb" and I think "We shall Behold
> Him" but I can't remember right now.
> 
> 
> Kendal

Reba McIntyre (McIntire ?) is the country singer. Reba Rambo McGuire
was working with her husband (Dony) out of Chapel Hill Harvester
Church (aka Cathedral of the Holy Spirit) in the Atlanta area the
last I heard about her/them.

Wrong Reba, both great singers.  I heard Reba McIntyre's sister sing
the other day.  She has a gospel singing ministry and sounds similar
to her sister.

Reba Rambo M sings mostly eclectic pop, blues, R&R, almost anything
but country these days, or at least the last time I gave a listen.

Bobby - akgua!rjb
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:39:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I've always been a fan of U2, particularly in the past (sort of lost
interest after "Rattle and Hum"), so it was especially distressing to
see their video on MTV this weekend.  I haven't watched MTV in quite
a few years, and I was stunned at how it's changed.  

The video I saw was something like "She moves in mysterious ways," very
'60s hazy stuff, where the guys all looked like they were underwater and
blurry.  That didn't appeal to me, but it didn't offend me either.  What
definitely did offend me was their use of a woman's body -- they showed
a belly dancer, clad in typical garb (i.e., not much), with tassles hanging
from her breasts, gyrating away.  They also did the typical MTV thing of
cutting off the woman's head, so all you see is this gyrating body and
swinging tassles.  And as I'm looking at this faceless woman's body,
I'm hearing the lyrics "It's all right, it's all right."  

Sure, sex is a wonderful, godly thing.  But the selling of it sure isn't.
Sorry, guys; it's definitely not "all right"!

 
-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Christian BBSes -- Off topic, I know...
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:58:14 GMT

Carleton journalism student (that's me!) would like phone numbers
(including area codes) for Christian bulletin board
services. 

In order of preference: Southern Ontario, Ontario, Canada,
North-eastern US.

Anyone with info, or anyone who runs one, please e-mail me with number
and details of what the board runs.

This is preliminary research at the moment, but is designed to be
worked into a story about Christian BBSing.

Much thanks for any assistance.

Michael

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:26:19 GMT



	It's probably quite common for people to listen to diverse styles.

I myself enjoy:
Petra
Carman
SFC
Messiah Prophet
Sandi Patti       (<--believe it or not)
Rich Mullins
Steven C. Chapman
WhiteCross
DC Talk
Shout/Magdallan/Ken Tamplin
Al Denson
Barren Cross
Steve Green

Most of my friends also listen to quite a diverse selection of music.

						Nice to know that there's someone else out there like
that...

								Craig
								mwalls@NMSU.Edu
								
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kemery@nmsu.edu (Kendal Emery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Broadcasting
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:31:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NMSU Computer Science


As I have posted before......

Down here in New Mexico, We have KLYT.  Depending on where
you are it is either

	Albuquerque.....88.3
	Alamogordo......88.1
	Ruidoso.........91.5
	Artesia.........91.7
        Roswell.........??.?

And probably some I don't remember.  The only bad thing is if you
aren't in the Albuquerque area, the stations are only translaters
and is very hard to get reception outside of about ten miles from
town.

Also in Albuquerque is Family Life Radio.. 91.5 F.M.  It's been
a while, but I seem to remember mostly preaching and family
shows with very little music,  mostly of "stuffy" music.

Have Fun..........

P.S.  Anybody in Albuqeruque know if the state fair is going
to have a Christian Concert this year.  I saw Whiteheart and
Mylon LeFevre a few years ago,  and it was a lot of fun.

Kendal
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:41:29 GMT

>In article <mjenkins.716172547@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>>In <1992Sep11.000320.1370@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>>
>>>sort of Christian death metal.  Can't remember the name exactly.  Does anyone
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>That's the biggest oxymoron I've seen since "postal service."
>                    ^^^^^^^^

   I must agree with Michael on this. At least on the level of words  --
   _Christian_ and _death_ just don't seem to go together -- at least
   the celebration of death (which is what the term means to the innocent
   bystander means to someone like myself who has never heard it or knows
   much about it). 
   (And NO, I'm not saying anything about chord progresions, style, etc) 

   "OK Christians, let's celebrate sex with dead babies!" Huh?  
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john r la plante                    graduate student, Ohio State University
jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Bob Bennett - new CD
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:15:33 GMT

Distribution: na

Steve Hare writes
> Would someone tell me the title of Bob Bennett's new CD? I'd like to order
> it but the sales clerk at the store I purchase from didn't know the title
> either. Thanks,


The newest one that I know of is "Songs from Bright Avenue", which came out  
in late 1991. If there is a newer one, I'd like to know about it also.

In my mind, "Songs From Bright Avenue" ties with Susan Ashton's "Wakened By  
the Wind" for best CD of 1991.  

Bob Bennett seems to be one of the best-kept secrets in CCM.  Perhaps  
because his style is folk instead of rock.  HIs melodies are haunting, his  
voice golden (very mellow), his guitar work packs a punch, and his lyrics  
are about the struggles of living as an (imperfect) Christian in a fallen  
world. 

"Our Co-dependent Love" is the funniest song I have heard in a long time.
"No Such Thing as Divorce" is one of the most poignant songs I have ever  
heard.

--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

> 
> Should Christian musicians be held accountable by their recording companies
> in addition to their churches?  What guidelines should said companies use,
> if so?  If a musician gets a divorce, for example, is that grounds for 
> canceling a recording contract?  What about an affair?  Driving under the
> influence?  Lying?  Gossiping?  In other words, which sins would be
> deemed acceptable, and which wouldn't?  
> 

          It is probably not appropriate to hold the recording companies
responsible for the personal lives of their artists. The artists themselves
should be responsible for that. 

          I recall a few years back when there was quite a flapdoodle about
Joyce Landorf (now Heatherly) and an alleged affair she was having. I saw
only one more book by her. (Admittedly, I am rather out of touch with 
Christian books these days.) That indicates to me that the market dealt with
the issue. I'm sure that Ms. Landorf-Heatherly's opinions and thoughts 
had a rather hollow ring after that discovery. She lost her credibility and
- to the best of my knowledge -- has not recovered from that. 

          As for Sandi Patti -- I don't like her hypocrisy either. (I don't    
think hypocrisy is respected in any faith or religion.) On the other hand,
I also don't know the cause of her break-up. Is it possible that her 
husband was knocking the crap out of her every chance he got? Was he 
indifferent to her or cold to her? There may be a just reason for her to 
leave him. It *IS* possible that he is no longer deserving of her company. 

          On the other hand, she might just be leaving because she doesn't
want to bother with him anymore. 

          So --the verdict? The jury is still out. When we KNOW what is 
going on, it will be easier to make an informed decision. 

          As for the original question -- no -- the record company 
should not assume a parental role. Their job is to provide music to 
the paying public. Nothing more. 


-rks

rks@teal.csn.org


>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Is music amoral??
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:44:26 EST

noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >The evil is in the action of burning the baby with cigarettes.  
> >More specifically, it is in the action of the person burning the 
> >baby with cigarettes.  If the same sound can be created by clever 
> >programming of the synth, the sound is not evil.  Since I don't 
> >know where the sound came from (I would assume it was artificial 
> >if I actually heard it), I cannot say the sound itself is evil.  
> >Once again, THINGS cannot be given the character- istics of people.

> >>Examples of the second kind would be an instrument of torture, 
> >>such as a  rack, or perhaps a statue of Moloch, complete with 
> >>uplifted hands  designed for people to pan-fry their babies in...

> >There is nothing evil in the rack itself; the evil is in the 
> >people who use the thing to torture others.  It is a subtle 
> >difference but quite significant.
> 
> Hmm. so tell what would a GOOD, non-evil use of a rack be?

c'mon noel, you're not using your imagination. i'd -love- to have a 
rack to decorate the living room with. what a conversation piece...

really tho', -things- aren't evil. evil isn't something you can pour
into an object like post toasties. actions are the only things that
can be legitimately described as evil.

jason
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: new MWS
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:50:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Distribution: 
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Keywords: 

In article <19469@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>In article  <1992Sep8.222138.18335@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu writes:
>>Like I said, I'd prefer to trade with someone who has CD's they don't
>>listen to anymore.
>
>How 'bout the new Michael W Smith CD "Change Your World".  %^)
>
>I bought it last week.  What a mistake!  MW Smith has the George
>Michael look down, now he sounds like him too!  Can I change my
>reponse to the desert island quiz?

I guess i'll throw in my 0.02 now.

I don't like the new MWS album.  I think _The Big Picture_ is his best 
pop/rock album.  The instrumentation is great, and the vocals are natural,
if mediocre.  I think _I 2 (eye)_ (or whatever) is his best album lyrically,
and although the pop/rock isn't there as strongly, the songs are solid
nonetheless.

But _Change Your World_ features incredibly annoying vocals (does he _ever_
sing in his natural voice and without some wierd accent?), bad Top 40
instrumentation (pure pop-where's the guitar?), and rather mediocre lyrics 
(i'm not one who requires lots of 'God and Jesus'-i consider Kansas, U2, and
Extreme to be 'Christian music'-but these songs don't say _anything_).

This is without a doubt the worst $13.98 i've spent in ages.  Don't waste
your money.

And on a related note, the I 2 (eye) and Go West tours were two of the best
shows i've ever seen, but i might not go to the new tour because i have
_absolutely_ no desire to hear any of these songs in concert.  I had high
hopes after hearing 'Picture Perfect' and some other song performed, but
the final product wasn't as good as the 'song in the works'.  Forget about
it.  Buy another copy of _Tales of Wonder_ :-)

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:01:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.171653.6285@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>I think the closest we can come to in Scripture to sarcasm  is the word "mock"
>used repeatedly in Proverbs.  Literally, the word "mock" in the OT means to
>"show dirision", or to taunt.   It is interesting to note that this term is
>most often used in close proximity to the term "fool" (i.e, "a fool mocks.."
>PROV. 14:9).
>
>It seems that caustic, unedifying language is unbecoming to a believer at
>best, and sinful at worst.  We should all seek to build others up, not
>tear them down.

If sarcasm is _ad hominem_ by definition, then it is much more likely
to obscure the love that we _must_ have for others, even those whom we
would like to mock.  Apparently, I have been using the word "sarcasm"
to refer to what is more properly called "irony".
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu (michael rayle)
Subject: What makes music "Christian"?
Reply-To: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:04:21 GMT

The referenced append brings up a good point: if a song isn't in sync with what
we believe, we should throw it out...
 
But I'd like to pose a different question: WHAT MAKES MUSIC "CHRISTIAN"?
Is it:
     Just something that makes us feel good?
     Something to take our minds off of everyday worries?
     ....What?
 
The other applicable question is: What makes secular music offensive?
IMO I believe that the one most offensive thing about secular music is that 
it keeps us away from a loving, healthy relationship with God (Abba Father) and
His Son (Jesus Christ).  It other words, people make idols out of the music
and therefore keeps them from God.  I read this into the lives of many christians
who will make excuses or justify in their minds about how "okay" it is to go 
to a secular concert and be surrounded by all sorts of immorality: lust, drunkeness,
and the like.
We, as christians (I hope those reading this forum are, or you are missing the
whole point of christian music!!) need to stay alert to our own thoughts and actions.
You see, christian music can do the same thing that the secular music does.  It can
pull you away from God!!  You say, "Whoa, wait a minute.." But I say "No, I'll
continue."  If we let listening to christian music keep us from spending time with
God in prayer, or reading the Bible.  Then we might as well be listening to secular
trash.  If the music you are listening to doesn't draw you closer to God and His 
love for you and make you want to spend more time with Him, then youy need to 
rethink your motives...
It happened to me.  But I didn't have good counsel and I backslid.  My prayer is that
it doesn't happen to all of you out in net-land.
 
Okay, I'll get off my soap-box now.  Please consider what I've said and test it 
against God's word and in your spirit.  My theology may not be exquisite, please
forgive me, I'm studying to be an engineer!
 
In Christ's love
.Mike..
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: PK and RS Concerts in Champaign: WAS Re: U2's denomination
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:57:19 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Distribution: usa

For everyone, whether you want to go to the U2 concert or not, there
are two more upcoming Champaign concerts that may interest you.  

Phil Keaggy, September 13
Randy Stonehill, September 20

If I did not misunderstand what I heard on the radio,  
both concerts are free.  Perhaps someone who lives there knows more
details and can post them.  Or if anyone is interested, I can
listen more closely next time I hear the announcement to get the phone  
number to call. 
--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENT: Interpretation
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:50:41 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

I'm not even going to try to wade through that long post to quote what I'm
responding to.  If you wonder what I'm referring back to, you'll have to go 
read the whole thing for yourself.

Her/their purification:
   I don't know about Aramaic or Koine Greek, but in Spanish, the same word is 
used for the singular and plural third person possessive.  "Su" can mean his,
her, or their.  A lack of specificity in the original language could cause
this difference in translations.  It's not necessarily an attack on the
sinlessness of Jesus.  Another point to consider: for most sacrifices, the
animal being sacrificed was also put through a ritual purification.  This
could account for the plural use in the modern version.

Several examples of a phrase appearing in the KJV but not the NIV, NKJV, NASB,
or other modern translations:
   Check your KJV.  If the phrase is in italics, it was added by the 
translators to make the meaning clearer.  Without those italicized phrases,
the text could mean two or three slightly different things.  The interpreters
filled in what they thought best clarified it based on their knowledge of the
original languages' conventions and quirks.

Also, several words in the English language have changed meaning since 1611.
If we just read the KJV at face value, without accounting for changes in word
meanings, we can get some pretty strange stuff.  (Sorry, I don't have a KJV
with me at the moment to provide an example.)  Just as when reading Hebrew
one must know what the words meant to the people in that time/place, so we
must do with English translations.  The English of 1611 is a semi-foreign
language to modern readers.  Just look at how much trouble people have with
Shakespeare.

I have often observed that some of the fringe groups in evangelical 
Christianity say that only the KJV should be used.  This allows them to tell
their followers that a certain unclear passage has a certain meaning, when the
original Greek/Hebrew and more modern translations do not support that meaning.

Brian P. Roden
Programmer/Analyst
Leisure Arts, Inc.		Bill Clinton: he's got what it takes
Little Rock, AR				to take what you've got.
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:22:29 GMT
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: Which music amoral??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

> 
> Yes.  Yes.  Yes.  Any other questions?  Naturally, I also reserve the
> right to deem such material deeply offensive and to not support
> it with my wallet.  But let me also say that if you make the 
> determination that a particular viewpoint is so offensive that 
> its very existence should be suppressed, don't be too surprised
> if they come for you next.  Last time it was Auschwitz and Dachau
> and Treblinka.  This time it will be a kinder, gentler fascism.  
> 
> Andy Whitman
> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
> att!cblpn!ajw  or
> ajw@cblpn.att.com

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         I couldn't have said it better! 

-rks