HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Abba (was Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.172101.34697@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  
(Arrowsmith) writes:
> I wonder how all this correlates to the resurgence of ABBA's popularity
> at the moment?  Wandering around record stores looking for the new Peter
> Gabriel album, I find that quietly tucked away on the shelves, and all
> the big advertising is for "ABBA Gold".  Is the GL "scene" setting the
> trend for the population in general?  Why is the only ABBA fan I know
> determinedly straight, much to the annoyance of at least two people I
> know?  Why can't we celebrate musical as well as sexual diversity?

I'm an (old) Abba fan, and I'm determinedly *not* straight. I've just
had trouble finding their stuff on CD since I wore out my cassettes
in high school. God, they helped me survive high school. I had all
their albums (that I knew of....).

And in article <1992Sep30.021503.519@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
> Mike, who admits a certain nostlgic thrill - the Abba movie
> soundtrack was the first music I ever bought :-)  I could

What was this? I never saw this! Where can I get it!? Title?
You're not talking about The Girl with the Golden Hair, are you?

--
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From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: HUGS
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:21:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Oct6.172142.2207
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Oct5.042852.9492@u.washington.edu>, wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow) writes:
> 
> Just thought I give a *hug* to all of you :)
> Have nothing much to say other than I'm happy. 
> 
> Gee, isn't that just sweet!

 Yay! This is what I remember soc.bi being like..

 **hugs'n'snuggles'n'other such warm'n'fun thingies**

 (hmm. wonder if there's any way to kill everything that /doesn't/ contain
'hug'.. <grin> Nah -- there's too much other good stuff around for that.
Perhaps just save all those to a fluffy file for cheering-up purposes.)

-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Being Bi in Melbourne: the aftermath
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:37:42 GMT

In article <9226913.25217@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
|OH btw, I don't think I'm giving too much away when I say I perused a couple
|of photos Joe brought along. Heh. Good thing I don't consider you lot gods
|any more, because you sure don't look the part :)
|
|That having been said, I'll have two Coes and one Mike to go, with a side
|order of Orc :)

   Why, thank you kindly, and I'll remember that when I'm next in the
southern hemisphere (Melbourne has trams coming out every seam.  This
is *a* *good* *thing*, and will, hopefully, have me poking around
drooling over them within the next couple of years.  I would have gone
to Australia, but certain attractions in the UK (now Pittsburgh :-) :-)
:-) :-) and San Francisco have burned off most of my funds...)

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ From the land of brain-dead mailers.
		 \/
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:16:00
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu's message of Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:48:39 GMT

In article <dsuchy19.718260519@ursa> dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
> Thanks, Muffy, for reassuring me with all the compu-stuff the other day...

*HUG*...hi, Dawn!  *smile*...you're welcome, and I'm glad you decided to
post...*HUG*

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: chocolate = sex
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:23:57 GMT

Brad Booth wrote:
 >Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> --scott
>>    (who defines the eating of Lindt bittersweet chocolate as 
>>     a form of sex)
>
>Definitely have to agree with that. :)  Well, any bittersweet chocolate
>counts in my books. ;)
>
>I guess now I can say that I've had sex in public, in an elevator, at 
>work, ... gee, in all kinds of places. ;)
>
>Time to go buy some bittersweet chocolate,

Plus, you get to mention that you have a twelve-inch rod.  And it's 
triangular, no less.
--scott
   (always a sucker for Toblerones, too)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: *grin*
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:55:34 GMT

eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
: *Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-).
: 
: Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
: *beam*

No sooner done than said.  Let's be hearing, Eleanor!  Or are you just
trying to create the right sense of "Antici ... ... ... pation"? :-)

Mike, with reason aplenty for *grins* and bleary eyes of his own
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:53:59 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>I'm like to pursue the question of what are the "natural habitats"
>of bisexuals in today's society -- spaces that are bi-friendly or
>tolerant enough to encourage bis to be visible.
[...]
>Some areas that come to mind where "clumps" bisexuals have been observed:
>
> - Neo-pagan circles

Couldn't comment.

> - Sci-fi fandom

Certainly. Around Cambridge, people have almost resorted to coming out
as heterosexual in science fiction circles. (-8

> - The polyamorous, "swingers"
>
>(These are a source of a number of stereotypes of bisexuals, but it 
>remains true that *some* people discover or explore their bisexuality
>in the context of multiple relationships and/or group sex.)

Well - polyamorous relationships work (IMHO, IMLE - In my humble
opinion / limited experience) better if some of the participants are
bisexual or gay, simply because three people can then form a mutual
relationship, whereas this is not possible with three heterosexuals!

> - FurryMUCK 
>
>(I haven't been there, but it's got a reputation ;)

Sure has. Ironically, I've not had *much* fun on that since I got my
own character rather than guest. )-8 The truth or dare area has given
some amusement, though.

>Do you folks have other suggestions? Where have you come out or found
>other bisexuals?

Cambridge generally is quite open-minded about such things. I tend to
feel safe telling anyone, whether peers or superiors, about my
sexuality - anyone openly opposed to homo/bi-sexuality is likely to
have a harder time of it than someone who's out. I'm not *quite* sure
why that's the case.

--Clive.
From: rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Eclipse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Weirdness
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:22:48 GMT
Organization: None, I'm completely disorganized.
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>>> You: Yes, it's stocking but true. The Bible itself! For instance: in
>>> the story of creation, you know, with Adam and Eve... Well, if they
>>> were the first two humans from which the whole human race started then
>>> their kids _must_ have had incestuous relationships in order to have
>>> children because there was nobody else around to marry! [...]
>>
>>Actually, I recall that Adam and Eve had three sons.  Okay then, where
>>did they go from there?
>
>Presumably Eve had sex with her sons. Strange then that I never read
>about it in "The Weekly World News". If we could only prove that Eve was
>a space alien and that one of her sons was an earlier incarnation of
>Elvis then they might be interested.

Actually one of my friends and I have been looking through a people
recently (particularly looking for paradoxes and REAL stupid or 
ridiculous passages).  One thing I remember noticing refered to
Adam and Eve and one of their sons.  It was a couple days ago and
I don't have a bible handy but I think I remember most of it.  

Adam and Eve, and their sons did not commit incest.  One of the sons
(I don't remember which) wonders off marries a women from the people
of Nod (I think nod translated at sometime in some language to nomad).
Now if Adam and Eve where the first people where did this whole tribe
of people come from?????  (This is just one of many things that makes
me sick when people start condeming homosexuality because they say the
bible says its a sin.)

Another fun fact from the people, in Exodus God lays down a bunch of laws,
some of which are really good to use in biblical debates.  The one we
have been having the most fun with is God's laws dealing with slavery.
According to God slavery is OK!  But if you beat a slave to death (the
slave having died immediately from the beating) you shall be punished,
BUT if the slave doesn't die immediately, he/she lingers for a couple
days before dying the you shall not be punished for the slave is your
PROPERTY.  
	I know this realy didn't have much to do with the original
post but I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to remind people 
(not that too many people here need to be reminded) that everything
in the bible is not to be belived absolutely and practiced.
	I don't want to start a religious thread so please if you
are going to flame me or my post do it through e-mail so that 
everyone else on the net doesn't have to be bored to death.

Robert

ps - This will be my only post EVER on a religious topic,
but hopefully not my last post ever.
From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Pride (was Re: whatever . . .)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:39:30 GMT
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK

colin@man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>I've never been entirely happy with the use of the word "pride" as it is used
>in such phrases as "Gay pride", or "Bisexual pride". [...]
>I'm proud to be (fairly) out, I'm proud that I do my best to be non-sexist.

But this implies that anyone who wears a "Bisexual Pride" T-shirt is being
out, and can be proud of that.  I agree with that.

I think that les/bi/gay pride is partly a reaction against people who tell
us that we're sick, that we should be ashamed of ourselves.  "Pride" is
perhaps an over-reaction, but more PC phrases such as "Bisexual and
self-assured" or "Assertively gay" or "Not ashamed to be lesbian (as if
I should be!)" aren't terribly snappy.

If taken too far, pride could lead to arrogance or defensiveness or
"supremacism" or self-satisfaction.  In some situations people might need
to hold one of these positions just to survive.  In other situations they're
not appropriate.  But let's not tarnish everyone with the mistakes of a few.

Dave.
-- 
    I just want to change the world, I just want to see a new England,
    I'm not looking for another girl.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:48:46 GMT

In article <6244@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>In article <n1xqb4vc@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk
>(the Crisco Kid) writes:
>> Hehehehe... silly lad, you've just given me all the info I need to creep
>> up on you and *POUNCE*!
>
>Silly?  I can think of few things better than being pounced upon by
>you, Kay.

Hmmmm... in that case, your nearest pouncepoints are either the International
BiCon in London on the 24thish, or Alex and Dave's Hallowe'en party on the
31st.  Failing that - first w/e of November is out (Mama's birthday), but
after that...

>> >bingo!
>> Actually, that wasn't quite what I'd though of visiting you for, but...
>I'm *sure* we could find something more interesting to do... then
>again, watching a bingo caller play with his balls in public might be
>fun...

I've only ever known one bingo caller, and she was female.  No, no bingo,
thanks.  (Wonders: what *can* those "few things better" be?)

>> de gustibus, hey?
>I must say that I've never really agreed with the "non est
>disputandum" bit - I mean, there are some issues of taste which are
>too important not to be disputed, or at least discussed:  For
>instance, does alcohol taste better when drunk from Alex's navel, or
>licked off Dave's chest?  Is Brie or Boursin the better topping for
>Kay's nipples?  These questions, and more, *need* answering...

Oh, agreed: but (IMHO) they can only be answered on a purely personal basis.
You may, f'rexample, hold that Gorgonzola is tastier than Roquefort; I
hold the opposing view, but both are opinions are subjective.  That's
why taste can't be disputed - in the sense of a debate to establish
"truth": there ain't no truth in taste.

Actually, the best topping for Kay's nipples is a good top.  What else?

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:46:37 GMT

adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:
: 
: *pop!*  ...another muffin appears.

An an *awful* cute one at that!  Glad y'made it, Alan.  I never quite
understood why y'didn't post (although considering the way I sometimes
feel like I've exchanged an ability to get any work done for a
life-changing social environment, perhaps it's wise, in a very
traditional and un-retro-hippy kinda way ;-)

So consider this guy endored as a wholesome and nutritious muffin of the
highest order, complete with knock-'em-dead grin and the most
spectacular pink dungarees ... :-)

Alan, may your Californian jaunt be as good for you as mine have been
for me, but be warned - you may suddenly feel the need to live there ...

Mike, e-flirt mode at 100%
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Other Side of the Closet (Re: Spouses of bi's: anybody out there?)
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:33:51 GMT



Sadly, for all the discussion about books about bisexuality and marriages/
mates, only two people have posted private email to me about this...and
both are in the same precarious, unknowning state as am I, the spouse of
a coming-out bi.  No one has posted a public answer, other than to recom-
mend or criticize a controversial book.  I'd rather get advice firsthand.

Either the spouses don't read this newsgroup or, fearfully, there aren't
very many of them post-transition.  I'd hate to go away thinking either
of these propositions is true.

Bob
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (/)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ECSD and soc.bi
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:32:07 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

> 
> Anyway, I know soc.bi isn't *supposed* to be flirty and huggy and
> secure-feeling, but I much preferred it when it was. That side of
> things is being marginalised now - I wouldn't mind it being
> marginalised by well-maintained discussion of bisexual issues, but the
> current tone of debate is not my idea of fun. )-8

...I don't know what soc.bi is *supposed* to be, but it was all the 
cheerful hugs and flirts and arguments that attracted me in the first 
place (besides it being a forum for *people like me*).  I thought it 
sounded like a good bunch of people.... and by and large, it is.

One of the joys of electronic communication is if you don't like someone 
or something you have "kill" and "delete" functions.  Wish I could do 
that to some people I know personally.... Well, not really. But the 
"ignore" option would be nice.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

P.S.  Hugs!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: politics of panels
From: alto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:29:49 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

I'm working on a research project about the politics of panels and an not
having much luck.  If you have any information about panel presentations or
have been on them or whatever, I'd like to hear from you.
thanks.
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yay!
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:59:51
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<1992Sep25.035941.16132@u.washington.edu>
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In-reply-to: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 20:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.203236.293@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:

> Isn't there a difference of facial hair/stubble between men and women
> that significantly effects the kissing experience?

Not if the man has a close shave.  In fact, I've gotten in the habit of
shaving the men I'm kissing myself, before any serious bouts of kissing,
since they don't really like to shave themselves, and it's kind of a fun
thing to do to someone (electric razor).

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
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From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Safer sex for bisexuals
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:52:41 GMT
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK


Sent to: biact-l, uk-motss (mailing lists),
	 soc.bi, soc.motss (newsgroups - PLEASE REPLY BY MAIL (*)).

A group of UK bisexual activists, including me, have been invited to
a meeting with the Health Education Authority (HEA) to discuss issues
around bisexuality, safer sex and the prevention of HIV infection.
This arose from a workshop at this year's national bisexual conference.

I'm asking for ideas and suggestions from the lesbigay community and
friends.  Some of us have been involved in counselling and campaigning
on issues of both bisexuality and HIV, but I'm open to new ideas.  At
the conference workshop, we suggested glossy safer sex leaflets aimed
at bisexuals (e.g. including information about sex with both men and
women in the same leaflet).  We also felt that a good quality "What
is bisexuality" leaflet would be welcome.  And we pressed for using
their influence to help us meet local health education officers, so
that we could educate them about bisexuality.

One issue that comes to mind is targeting.  Do we want separate
leaflets for bisexual men and bisexual women?  Do we have separate
leaflets for different ethnic groups?  (It seems sensible to have
versions in different languages).  How do we reach people who aren't
part of the lesbigay community, but still have same-sex sex?  Can
we reach these people without perpetuating the image of bisexuals
as closeted people (usually men) cheating on their partners?  We
have to be realistic - we're not likely to get more than three
leaflets out of them.



Background: The HEA co-ordinates health education in England and
Wales.  In addition to HIV, they run campaigns on heart disease,
smoking and the like.  I think Scotland has a separate authority,
although the two co-operate.  I don't know the set-up in Northern
Ireland.

The HEA produced some safer-sex adverts aimed at bisexuals a couple of
years ago, and set up a phoneline to run alongside the advertising
campaign.  but the campaign was a disaster.  The adverts were poorly
targeted and badly worded, with far too much input from the ad agency,
far too little from us, and (most importantly) far too much government
interference.  (The HEA is small fry in the big world of governments
and of ministers worried about their party's vote.)  As a result, we're
cautious of sinking too much time and energy into this new initiative.


The meeting will take place on the 22nd october.

Dave.

(*) We're two weeks behind on news here.  Post as well if you want,
    but please mail replies to me.
-- 
    I just want to change the world, I just want to see a new England,
    I'm not looking for another girl.
From: wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Date: 26 Sep 92 09:04:26 GMT
Reply-To: jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

In article <43210@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> In article <mcmelmon-250992144005@mcmelmon.apple.com>  
mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> >
> >What is with this *ridiculous* 80,000 people figure?  
> 
> Read the FAQ, it's obvious you haven't.  Actually, I think that the
> FAQ says 60K or 70K, but the number is a lot closer to 80K that 1K.
> 
> >                                                      Do you really
> >believe that there are 80,000 people out there who give a shit
> >about soc.motss?  
> 
> Different question.  I would tend to believe that there are 50K - 80K
> worth of people who have access to USENET who read at least some parts
> of soc.motss for their own reasons.  Why would you doubt this?
> 
Why are you debating how many people read soc.motss on soc.bi?  Wouldn't it be  
more fun if this was done on another group...oh, like, maybe say soc.motss?
--
                     ____
                     \bi/     | I just close my eyes and I dream about...
john a wadlow         \/      | pretty boys and pretty girls.
jwad@milton.u.washington.edu  |    - Book of Love
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: *grin*
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:57:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) says:
>
>Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
>*beam*

So.  Eleanor.  What about last night?

-- 
Palmer T. Davis      ___
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