From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 4 of 4
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:32:58 GMT

In article <12607@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
writes:

>    The perpetrator may have liasons with or even marry adults
>    of the opposite sex, but those sexual relationships will
>    be exceptions to the perpetrator's general sexual pattern
>    and sexual preference.

>Now, here's the important point, from the standpoint of the Boy
>Scouts, day care, etc.:

>    Pedophiles often obtain positions where they have ready 
>    access to their victims.  Thus, they may be scout masters, 
>	camp counselors, day care center providers, teachers, or big
>    brothers (O'Carroll 1980).  Some of these men appear to be
>    quite well functioning in areas other than sexual, while
>    others will have a number of areas of dysfunction.[Faller,
>    85-86]

And if you weren't so totally stupid, you would notice that this
suggests keeping fixated pedophiles (who are quite likely married,
and *not* gay) out of the Scoutmaster or day care business.

>Many of the examples described in all of the books, involve 
>Scoutmasters -- hence the very strong concern that the Boy
>Scouts have about this problem.

Which they deal by keeping out the wrong people.  


>    It's often difficult to spot the man who might possibly molest 
>    our children because we expect a molester to be a man who 
>    displays many antisocial behaviors; and in the case of a 
>    molester whose victims are little boys, we expect him to be 
>    homosexual.  But in our study, we found that most men who 
>    molest little boys are not gay. 

NB.

 Only 21 percent of the
>    child molesters we studied who assault little boys were 
>    exclusively homosexual.

I suppose it is no use asking what this means.  That is, does it mean
sexual relations with adults as well as children?  If it doesn't, this
means nothing with respect to the gay ==> molester argument.

  Nearly 80 percent of the men who 
>    molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual, and most 
>    of these men were married and had children of their own.

NB.  Just what is it you are trying to show, anyway?

>Along with the previous evidence that the professionals involved
>in this area agree that a man having sex with a boy is homosexual
>molestation, and the other sources, previously cited, to the
>effect that fixated pedophiles prefer boys, not girls, it becomes 
>clear that, "Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys
>were heterosexual or bisexual," is a very misleading statement.

You don't even understand the words involved here, Stupid.  When they
say "homosexual molestation", they mean that the perp and the victim
were of the same sex.  And that is *all* they mean.  This doesn't show
any connection to the gay community.

>It appears that the psychiatric community, at least that part
>of it specialized in childhood sexual abuse, recognizes:

>1. that child molestation is, at least for some, a recruitment
>device into homosexuality, or may encourage a person to become 
>homosexual;

Nothing clearly supporting this conclusion appears in your article.

>2. that the child molesters who prefer little boys are homosexuals,
>even if closeted;

This is a simple matter of terminology.  No actual conclusion about
what the words are talking *about* can be drawn.

>3. that this category of molesters are prone to take positions
>of trust and authority, and abuse young boys.

>I think the strong parallels between homosexuality, as represented
>in the S.F. Gay Pride Parade & soc.motss, and childhood sexual
>abuse, suggests a connection that needs more serious study. 

No such connection is even *argued for* in your article.  Are you
brain-damaged?




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     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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