HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (David Hiltz)
Subject: Reducing minfree on big disks
Reply-To: dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
Organization: NOAA - National Marine Fisheries
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:58:52 GMT

Any problems with reducing the minfree value on a 1.3gig drive
down to 2% or 3% from 10%?  It seems a shame not to be able to
access that extra 100+ MB.  

The "tunefs" man page says, "..the minfree value can be set to
zero, however up to a factor of three in throughput will be 
lost over the performance obtained at a 10% threshold."  Why?

-David Hiltz
dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: SUMMARY: 2 CPUS better than 4?
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:04:04 GMT

I requested the circumstances in which having 4 CPUs in an MP system actually
degraded performance.

Thanks for all the answers, everyone, and here is the generally accepted one:

SunOS 4.1.2 and 4.1.3 limit the system to only one processor running the kernel
at any one time.  On I/O bound systems, other processors need to grab the kernel.
Under extreme circumstances, the time spent by the processors checking for the 
availability of the kernel can impact on performance.  In this case, the more 
processors you have, the more time they spend checking for the lock on the kernel
and transferring processes.

Suggested conditions where this may occur are: 
	Heavily loaded databases
	Heavily loaded NFS server

There are patches to improve the situation, and it is fixed properly in Solaris 2.x.
Apparently.

Credit is due to:
	randy@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov	(Rand S. Huntzinger)
	aloft!bill		(B. Shorter)
	alf@lifac1.ens-cachan.fr	(Olivier MARCE)
	leg@inel.gov		(Lance Eric Greenwade)
	msf@fsg.COM		(Mike Fischbein)
	Kerien Fitzpatrick	<fitz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu>
	Steve Lodin		<swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
	khb@Eng.Sun.COM		(Keith Bierman fpgoup)

Doug Rinckes, Network Administrator | drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
  Telecommunications Systems Support Centre New Zealand Ltd
        Sitting in New Zealand, mailing thru Japan
From: paul@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Looking for caching strategy
Keywords: cache caching NFS
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:47:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1gn5urINN1771@obelix.uni-muenster.de>, hund@math.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Hund) writes:
> Hello,
>   we are managing a small to medium network of SUNs here at M|nster.
> We have a lot of IPXes, ELCs, some SS 10  and some other machines (also SUNs).
> A lot of them have local discs, so we do not want a power-server 
> machine but a different concept. 
>   Until now we have so-called packages on some of the machines, that
> are being distributed each night (if necessary). We also have a
> database that defines which files should be copied and which should
> be linked. But: This is a lot of work, and that's not what we want.
>   We would appreciate a solution like this: Packages on different
> machines, and each time a user accesses a file it is copied to his
> local disc (if available). Thats a simple caching method, but we
> did not run into a program that provides this.
>   Does anyone know a (good!) caching program or does anyone have
> a better solution to manage a network like ours?
>   It would be really nice to get an answer of some experienced people!

We have some software that does exactly what you describe.
I gave a talk on this at LISA VI - there is a copy of the paper in
pub/lfu/lisa6.tar.Z on ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk. (The software is also available
there).

	Paul
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower)
Subject: ** Patch/Device driver reqd for >1 GB SCSI Drives **
Summary: device driver for >1gb drives on Sun3's
Originator: flower@donald
Keywords: driver SCSI patch 1gb help!
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:35:12 GMT

Hi!

	I've got a Sun 3/60 that I've currently got a 1.2GB SCSI drive on.
Currently, I can't have partitions on it that are too large or I will run
into problems due to the fact that the driver cant handle large drives.

Yes, I'm aware that there is a patch for Sun4's, but I noticed that there
is NO patch for Sun3's!?!?!?  Since the Sun3's essentially have NO support
for them anymore, I was wondering what the chance would be for Sun to
release the code for the driver so that I could muck with it in my own
free time!?!?!?   If there is a patch for Sun3's out there that will let
my system support >1GB drives, PLEASE let me know!  If not, it would be 
nice IF Sun would at least give us hackers a chance at it!  I know, I
know.. it's proprietary code... Well??!?!?

-- Rick

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From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: rebooting many systems
Keywords: reboot
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:39:30 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Nntp-Posting-User: per

In article <zia1Hbom8b@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>Yes, I saw this patch, and as soon as I applied it, network Crack
>completly stopped working.  It would rsh to a machine and just hang
>consistently.  Such behavior is described in the Crack documentation,
>but no fix is given.  Anyone else have this problem?

Yes, at least one version of that patch (I don't know if there are
others) is seriously broken - if I remember right, the rsh never notices
end-of-file on its stdin (perhaps doesn't even read it), and so if you do
something like 'cat file | rsh host pgm-that-wants-file-on-stdin', it
will just hang forever. Had a nice:-( debug session with that on someone
else's hosts - only when I had ruled out everything but rsh itself as the
source of the problem did he remember that he had installed a patch...

The bug it is supposed to fix isn't a very serious one either - I believe
it will only matter if you try to run rsh from within an application that
has lots of file descriptors open, like at least 31 in the range 0-31...

--Per Hedeland
per@erix.ericsson.se  or
per%erix.ericsson.se@sunic.sunet.se  or
...uunet!erix.ericsson.se!per
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: don@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Donald McLachlan)
Subject: Re: how connect different ip nets on one ether
Reply-To: don@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Communication Research Centre
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:48:42 GMT

To tell your Unix system that there are hosts from other ip-domains connected
directly to your local ethernet segment, you can use ...

/usr/etc/route add net x.y.z.0 `hostname` 0

This says to add the given network to the routing table, with your local
host as the gateway, and that it takes 0 hops to reach the "new" network.
---
Donald McLachlan			e-mail	don@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Communications Research Centre / DRL	office	613-998-2845
3701 Carling Ave.,			lab	613-998-2423
Ottawa, Ontario				fax	613-990-7987
K2H 8S2



Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Root Priviledges Between Workstation and Server?
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:28:37 GMT

In article <derosa.724003438@mica> motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net writes:
|I need to have root run a process on a workstation and
|have the results written to a log file on a server on
|the network.  Whenever I do this I get a "permission
|denied".  
|
|The path to the log file in question is writable by 
|owner only (root).  The /.rhosts file on both the workstation
|and server include both the name of the workstation
|and the server.  Shouldn't this allow root priviledges
|between these computers?

  No.  The filesystem on the server has to be explicitly exported with
root access allowed.  Otherwise, the root account on the client only has
"other" permissions on the nfs-mounted filesystem.  Typically, the root
account is assigned a user-id such as "-1" or "65534" for the purposes
of reading/writing/executing on the mounted filesystem, which usually
puts it in the "other" category when determining access.

|If not, how else might I accomplish this?

  change your exports line on the server to something like this:

/filesystem	-root=client_system_name

  and re-execute "exportfs -av".

  OR... Login to the server and create the file and change the permissions
to 666 so anyone can write to it, and root on the workstation should be able
to then, no problem.

  OR... change the mode on the directory to 777, so anyone can create a file
in the directory.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
Corporate Network and System Administrator    megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California    ucsd!megatek.uucp!randy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Subject: Re: SunPro/Tech software licensing...
Keywords: sunc++3.0.1, Sunc2.0, sparcworks, licensing
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:26:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.003618.20466@netcom.com> kwan@netcom.com (Kwan-Seng Low) writes:
>	My question out of the story is: Isn't all this new licensing things
>that came out suppose to make life easier for a sys admin? or it's only me
>that having problem? I've enough to do on my hands, I don't this licensing
>crab to complicate my life.

As I understand this, after discussions in other groups, and from experience
this is because the vendors want a couple of things:

They say that there is much software pirating in South America, and in 
Russia. So they force this upon us Europeans and you North Americans.
(This is from a discussion of IP/NFS packages for PCs)

They want you to buy somebody elses product, because you don't have the 
time or money to waste on dealing with exactly what you descibed.

Pick your choice.

If, for example SUN, were serious about this, the licence manager would
be included in the system, and for FREE. So every vendor didn't include
thei own licence manager, a little bit different than the other. And as
for the one SUN uses, it has a smallest timeframe for how long you allocate
a license, which is 15 or 30 minutes. Just so you need to buy double the
amount of licenses you really need. Who has a compile that take 15 minutes ?
SUN and the others for that has to get their act together soon, or else we
all vill be running VMS on Alphas soon. At least VMS works, and has the
basic tools needed included. And it even works in clusters.

/Per
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From: bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: help with uucp over tcp
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:20:44 GMT
Organization: None, Mt. Laurel, NJ

I'm running slip on a 3/280 running SunOS4.1.1. The slip
connection is working without a hitch for ftp, telnet, and nntp.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work for uucp over tcp.

Here's what I have:

Devices:TCP - - Any TCP -
Systems:uupsi5 Any TCP - 38.145.226.3 <the obvious chat script>

Here's what I get when I do a uucico:

mchFind called (uupsi5)
conn(uupsi5)
Device Type TCP wanted
Internal caller type TCP
Internal caller type TCP
getto ret -1
Call Failed: NO DEVICES AVAILABLE
exit code 101
Conversation Complete: Status FAILED

Any clues?

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Bill                            { rutgers | decwrl | telesci }!twwells!bill
bill@twwells.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: bataller@dogie.macc.wisc.edu (Erik Bataller)
Subject: maintaining crontab files, .logins, rc files in a lab environment
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.help,comp.sys.sun.misc
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:20:23



Hello,
	I am looking for knowledge about maintaining multiple machines
in a lab environment.  I have just begun to administer 23 Sun SPARC-
station IPCs and IPXs.  I know that there are ways to maintain the 
machines host, alias, passwd, etc files, however I am interested in
maintaining other "stuff" in the same manner, for instance:

  .Xdefaults / rc / rc.local / .logins / .cshrc / .openwin-menu / crontab

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: kirkham@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Sparcprinters 200ft from SS10 ??
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:21:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I need to connect two SPARCprinters to an SS10 using 2 SBus cards.  Is there
any way I can move these printers away from the SS10.  That is, I want to
put the SS10 in a machine room out of harms way and have the printers in a 
lab 4 floors up.  (~150-200 ft).  If the SPARCprinters will hook to the 
Centronics port in the SBus printer card we can use a parallel=>serial
converter on both ends.  Is this possible? (Has anyone hook the SPARCprinter
to a centronics port?)  If not, is there a way to extend the proprietary
port?  Any help/insight would be very welcome.  Unfortunately I don't have 
these machines yet, but I would like to get them up as soon as they get here.

Thanks
Todd

Newsgroups: Comp.windows.x.motif,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: Administering users sharing workstations
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.020044.7115@latcs1.lat.oz.au> vandenbe@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Thomas A. Vandenbelt) writes:

   As in our department, we share our worksatations, we like to have
   a menu option for logout.  However, so far the only way I have
   been able to do this is to get our staff to close all windows
   and then kill motif (using f.quit_mwm).

   Is there a better way to get a user to the login prompt?

If the session is controlled by xinit, then it ends when the user
process quits.  This is the .xinitrc process, unless .xinitrc doesn't
exist in which case it is the default xterm process.  If the last
command in .xinitrc is "exec mwm", then the session ends when mwm
dies.  Add f.quit_mwm to the menu in /usr/lib/X11/system.mwmrc or the
user's .mwmrc with a menu entry like "Quit _Q f.quit_mwm".

Whether the user gets a new login prompt also depends on how xinit was
started.  What I would do is conditionally replace the user's login
shell with it in the login rc file (.profile or .login), e.g.:
	if ( "` tty `" == "/dev/console" )
		echo -n "Starting window system in 5 seconds..."
		sleep 5
		exec xinit
	endif
(Note that this snatch of code is a quick improvization; caveat
emptor.)

If the session is controlled by xdm, then the new login prompt is
automatic when the session ends.  The rule for this is similar to
xinit, except that the initial process is the user's .xsession or
/usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.  Either of these should replace themselves
with mwm by "exec mwm" just as suggested in .xinitrc above.  Then the
f.quit_mwm menu entry will terminate the session and xdm will reissue
a login prompt.

This second case is in fact how we do it.  Contact me if you have any
questions.

Regards, Ed
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Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: glenn@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Glenn F. Leavell)
Subject: libc.so.* and libc.sa.*: kernel arch dependent?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:45:30 GMT


While rebuilding /usr/lib/libc.so.* and /usr/lib/libc.sa.*, an interesting
question has come up.  These libraries are, of course, application architecture
dependent, but are they kernel architecture dependent?  For example, if I
rebuild them on a machine with 'sun4c' kernel architecture, can I use them
on a machine with 'sun4' kernel architecture (as long as I'm running the same
SunOS release, of course)?

Thanks,

--  
Glenn Leavell  University of Georgia  glenn@creator.ucns.uga.edu  706-542-5110
     University Computing and Networking Services, Athens, GA 30602-1911
From: ez008888@othello.ucdavis.edu ( )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: where is FAQ file?
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:55:44 GMT
Originator: ez008888@othello.ucdavis.edu


    Hello.  From the messages I've read, people have been referring to the
comp.sys.sun.admin FAQ file.  I couldn't find it myself, so could one of
you kind souls please direct me to the nearest FTP site where I could get
it?  Thanks.

						Jason Yan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: saint@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Ming-Jer Lee)
Subject: root partition full
Organization: National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:05:40 GMT

Hello netter!
  
  In our system( sunos 4.1.2), the root partition always full once a week.
When the partition is full, we use fsck, and it return to normal(35% used),
but soon ( about one week) the root partition is full again!!

  I had looked for each directory( /var, /dev .....)but it seems that these
directory doesn't occupy many space.

  Any help?

  saint@mail.ncku.edu.tw
From: b3485834@cs.ubc.ca (Reid Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Problem with Newsprint 2.1
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:56:02 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: maximus.cs.ubc.ca

I am running Newsprint 2.1 on a Sparc 2 with a SPARCprinter attached 
on lpvi0. Printing with his system is very unstable, so times the print
jobs actually print and other times nothing happens. Sometimes a error
page is printed that says:
 
/usr/newsprint/printer_classes/SPARCprinter/C/ps/npcomm.T: NNNN 
 Illegal instruction - core dumped

where NNNN is some number always greater than 1000

The log file in /var/spool/SPARCprinter says:

%%[ PrinterError:engine handler not responding ]%%

If you kill the lpd daemon and reload the printer driver
and restart lpd, the printer starts to work again, but
soon it is back to a random will it print this or not.

We are running OpenWindows 2 but are using the OpenWindows 3
Kit from the Newsprint distribution.

E-mail me at b3485834@cs.ubc.ca if you can help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.shell
From: dwight@hyphen.com (Dwight Ernest)
Subject: Re: Aren't SunOS 4.1.2 and Solaris 2.1 compatible?
Organization: Hyphen, Inc., Wilmington, MA 01887 USA / +1 508 988-0880
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:49:38 GMT

khan%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com (Naseer Khan) writes:

>Peter Steele (peter@dragon.acadiau.ca) wrote:
>: it just isn't the same. I tried moving the tcsh and zsh binaries over
>: from a 4.1.2 system but neither work. If anyone has built either of
>: these shells, I'd appreciate getting a copy of the binary. Thanks.

>What's going on here?  I heard a lot about binary compatibility between
>Solaris 1.x and 2.1 (or SunOS 4.1.x and 5.x).  Someone in that Solaris
>2.1 discussion (Resistance to it....)  even suggested keeping the old
>cc around because it won't be bundled with 2.1.  So why doesn't tcsh
>work from a 4.1.2. system to Solaris 2.1 system?

Solaris 2.x and 1.x are fundamentally different.  1.x is based primarily
upon 4.[23] BSD UNIX, and 2.x is based primarily on SVR4.  Executables
from 1.x would not have run on 2.x at all except that Sun went to quite
a bit of trouble to provide a Binary Compatibility Package (BCP).  The
BCP, which is transparent to the user, will detect a.out-type executables
(from 1.x) and will automatically do the Right Thing (if possible; see
caveats).

What's changed?  The system calls are numbered differently.  The errnos
are numbered differently.  The executable header format is no longer
a.out, but something different (I'm not sure, but I think it's COFF).

Caveats: BCP can do the right thing if the 1.x program behaves itself.
That means that it must have been linked dynamically instead of statically,
and must not make any references to kvm or kmem.  That leaves out quite
a few commercial packages (e.g. Lotus 1-2-3) which may been linked statically
to tweak out a few cycles' better performance, and it leaves out all device
drivers.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: brs@cs.brown.edu (Brian Stormont)
Subject: Re: Sparcprinters 200ft from SS10 ??
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:59:10 GMT


Where I work, we've had a company spec out the sparc printer cable and increase
its length to ~150ft with the exact same electrical signal (so no loss).

I imagine there are many places that can do this. If interested, I'll post the
company we had do this, as they've now assigned a specific part no. to it
as we have ordered several...


-brian
From: vlb@whitney.UUCP (Virginia L. Baca)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: password aging and NIS
Keywords: password NIS
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:46:50 GMT
Organization: IMA Inc., Anaheim, CA

Will password aging and NIS ever work
together?  I have a client who really
needes this. Is there an alternative?

-- 

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Phone:           (714) 259-5271
Mail:            MSD West  1401 Warner Ave. Suite A Tustin, CA  92680
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner)
Subject: Using rdist instead of NIS/YP?
Organization: The Cooper Union ( NY, NY )
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:19:22 GMT

Anyone out there using rdist instead of NIS/YP for passwd serving?
What are your experiences & recommendations?
From: rjq@phys.ksu.edu (Rob Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: zs3: silo overflow, but no serial ports
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:02:10 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu


 Distribution 'comp'? Better watch that.
 
In <BCD.92Dec14165943@redondo.mps.ohio-state.edu> bcd@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bryan Dunlap) writes:
>I have an ELC running 4.1.1 that drops into the PROM monitor from time
>to time, and the only error I can see anywhere is "zs3: silo
>overflow".

 Here's an ``old'' post on the matter:

=============================================================
From comp.sys.sun.hardware Tue Jun 30 17:44:14 1992
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: zs0: silo overflow - what's this?
Date: 29 Jun 92 18:45:54 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>The problem you have may result from an overflow on the serial port for the
>mouse.

I don't think so.  "zs0: silo overflow" is an overflow on the "ttya"
serial port; "zs1: silo overflow" is an overflow on the "ttyb" serial
port; "zs2: silo overflow" is an overflow on the Sun workstation
keyboard serial port; "zs3: silo overflow" is an overflow on the mouse
serial port.
=============================================================

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