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From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Long, Complex Question
Date: 5 Nov 1992 03:09:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <mlbruce.720913935@husc11> mlbruce@husc11.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce) writes:
>	Speaking of advice, I know it's not at all an alt.romance type
>question, but anyone know why I can respond to posts without any trouble
>but cannot post any original strands without garbling them? If so, what do
>I need to do to be able to originate posts? (I have only rudimentary
>knowledge of this computer system.)

Well, that used to happen to me too, and my messages used to get 
gobbled up/deleted/etc.etc. etc.
Why? two reasons, one was that the Pnews on my machine has a builtin
thing that checks to make sure you type more than you quote...(that's
why I kinda have to babble, to fill up the necessary space).
Second, for some wierd reason, I need at least 1 empty line after the
Keywords:   line.
Don't know why, but once I added an extra empty line after the Keywords,
ti works, and I've been posting fine eversince.
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From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Gordon Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Becoming attracted to friends
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:56:14 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov9.120233.29782@wam.umd.edu> huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann) writes:
>Hello. I'm in a little bit of a confusing situation (at least to me it is).
>I'm becoming attracted to a friend of mine. I became friends with her over
>the summer when she was dating one of my friends' roommates, and we'd all
>do something together often. She broke up with him a few months ago, but
>I believe she's seeing someone else now. In the past month or so, I seem
>to have become attracted to her romantically. My dilemma is whether or
>not to tell her I've developed feelings for her and risk losing her as a
>friend. Although I'm attracted to her, I don't necessarily need her to
>be anything more than my friend (I'm used to being alone...). Help!
>

Joe:

    I would advise that you don't tell her that you are romantically
attracted to her unless you want to be her ex-friend. You can decide
that you want to remain friends, or be more than friends, but either
way it is a bad idea to tell her.  The reason for this when you tell
someone you are romantically attracted to them, they feel they have to
respond. You might get lucky, but usually this means they pull away.

    If you want to remain just friends, then there is little you have
to do other than accept the situation. On the other hand, if you want
to be more than friends, I would suggest that rather than telling her
how you feel, start showing how you feel. Don't show jealousy or
disappointment, though, since no-one is attracted to these sort of
negative emotions. Show how you enjoy her company. Compliment her good
points. When she seems to be comfortable with that, start acting a
little more like more than friends. Break it down into steps, and pace
yourself by watching her at each step she is not uncomfortable (which
will cause her to retreat), or too comfortable (things are going too
slow). Expect some ups and downs, but don't give up too easily.


    If you approach being more than friends indirectly and slowly, then
you will give her a chance to get used to the fact that you are
interested in her. And that will increase the chances that she will
want to be more than friends with you.

Good Luck, 
Michael.
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From: allanl@microsoft.com (Allan Lockridge)
Subject: Being Alone?
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:27:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

What is the longest period of time between boyfriend/girlfriend?
Basically, I am interested in what is considered a normal length
of time after one breaks up to when a new boy/girlfriend is found.


 Allan
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Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The face?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:46:15 GMT

In article <BcC=+A#@engin.umich.edu> turtle@engin.umich.edu (Matthew M Edwards ) writes:

>during a lull between songs I shouted out 'whos the face?!'.
>John (guitar) replied that his name was William White, and to
>look him up in the encyclopedia.

Weird.  Here's what Random House had:

   White, William A(lanson) (1870-1937), US psychiatrist, b. Brooklyn,
   N.Y. He was superintendent of St Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington,
   D.C., from 1903 to 1937. He was a pioneer in the establishment of
   psychiatric training and research, and he helped psychoanalytic theory
   to gain acceptance in the United States.  Among his works are Essays
   on Psychopathology (1925); Insanity and the Criminal Law (1923); and
   Crimes and Criminals (1933).

Anyone know the significance?  It doesn't make much sense to me
offhand.

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From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver (The Weeniehead))
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:24:46 GMT
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In article <Qf0UBj200iUy8ABMAr@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew Porter Glendinning <ag4d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    I think that just about sums "Minimum Wage" up, the allusion to a
>modern day slavery. Now how about "Dinner Bell"? Any ideas?

	Much of it is a conditioning reference.  The singer, a human, is
conditioned, to the idea of food.  Strong reference to being like a
"experimental dog, salivating dog"... eg Pavlov's conditioning experiments.
This is direct, but it can be extended (dependong on howe far you want to
reach for) towards how we, as members of society have becomed conditioned to
different stimuli.

	We should try to get TMBGs onto the net.  Anyone in NY willing to
loan em a net feed?  After all, they are essentially the unofficial favorite
group of lots of computer geeks I know.
-- 
                             Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                           nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
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                   Tis better to dream with eyes wide open.
From: 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: The face?
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:36:10 GMT
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In article <BcC=+A#@engin.umich.edu>, turtle@engin.umich.edu (Matthew M Edwards ) writes:
>
>While at one of thier concerts on the Lincoln turn (about 50 people
>were in attendance, they played in an old church, very cool)
>during a lull between songs I shouted out 'whos the face?!'.
>John (guitar) replied that his name was William White, and to
>look him up in the encyclopedia.  We found him in the world book
>(or some other encyclopedia, don't remember which) and it even
>had the exact picture they use next to the enrty.  We made a xerox
>and blew it up and transfered it to a t-shirt.  Everyone in Ann Arbor
>was asking where the hell we got the shirts *grin*

    Funny, when I saw the Lincoln tour at Cabaret Metro, I pulled the same
stunt, yelling "Who's that?", because on the Lincoln tour they had three large
William Allen White-heads above the stage.  However, Flansburgh had a much,
much cooler response..."Just a guy in the encyclodpedia where E.B. White should
be!"
    Needless to say, I looked up E.B. White in all the encyclopedias I could
find, and in the last one -- the Compton's Encyclopedia -- there was no E.B.
White listing, and the picture that graces all of our Don't Lets Start
CDingles.
 
    I heard a tape of the Flood tour and vowed never to see them live again...
they sounded bored, and there were -- gasp-- screaming pre-pubescent girls in
the background.  Much different from my experience at the Cabaret...
 
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From: griestk@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Sarcastic Man)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: "They"s Albums??
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:13:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov12.181746.26255@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> kevin@adam.unbsj.ca (Kevin Phillips) writes:
>[...]  I now have four of "They"re (their)
>albums and am curious if there are others, since songs I'm not
>familar with have been mentioned.

The only ALBUM you're missing is their second release, _Lincoln_ with such
favorites as: Ana Ng! Shoehorn With Teeth! Mr. Me! Cowtown! And my personal
favorite, Kiss me, Son of God! (Which is better on Misc. T.)

>	"Misc. T. Rex"
		  ^^^
Oh yeah, what the heck IS that?!

>Are there others?  Any idea on how one could aquire them?

Others: No, but there are 3 CD singles: Istanbul, The Guitar, and I
Palindrome I. If you're lucky, you can find some other rare stuff on vinyl,
which I'm not familiar with, like some Snowman song, a song about the Sun,
and others. See, not EVERYthing was re-released on Misc. T. (Rex ha)

About aquiring Lincoln: 1) Get some money.
			2) Drive to your local mall.
			3) Find a store with big hair chicks who went to
			   your high school who are selling music.
			4) Find Lincoln in the Rock/Pop bins under T (not L)
			5) Give the chicks money, and they will allow you to
			   walk out of the store with it.

-Ken
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: different words we hear
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:45:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.211216.16021@ultb.isc.rit.edu> lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>	i am also super grateful that they didnt name this group
>alt.music.they-might-be-giants.

Wouldn't have anyway.  That's an illegal newsgroup name.  Read
alt.config.

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From: osa@wilbur.unh.edu (Bart Simps.. er.. Oktay Ahiska)
Subject: What would be an interesting thing to request? (Was: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?)
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Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> writes:

=> (New thread)

=> When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song requested
=> by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
=> wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?

(Newer thread)

What would be a more interesting song to request? I really wished I
shouted "Jesus Built My Hotrod" but that didn't occur to me till after
the concert. Bummer. 

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From: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Andrew Weiskopf)
Subject: Re: TMBG movie and "that face"
Reply-To: st891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:08:18 GMT

The face belongs to a William Allen White- a renowned political pundit of the
1910's & 1920's. He was editor-in-chief of the Emporia Gazette of Emporia
Kansas, and I remember reading something about the tragic death of his
daughter(?)

Why he was chosen to adorn TMBG paraphenalia- I don't know.

Then again- why do They write lyrics like "you're free to come and go, or
talk like Kurtis Blow, but there's a pair of eyes in the back of your head"?

It's just one of those things you don't ask "why?" about. You just revel in
their mystery.

-Andy Weiskopf			"...I'm leaving you because I found
 ST891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu          a guy infinitely more interesting than
                                       yourself, and- BABY, I NEED YOUR 
                                       LOVIN'! Got to have all your lovin'."
					- John F., @ Nov. 6 concert in Boston.
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Our Audience Request
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:08:50 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


 Here at Duke (a lovely concert that they seemed to enjoy because the audience
wasn't killing each other for once), the requested song that was demanded
was "Time Warp".  They said they didn't know it, so they launched into
Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed Girl".  John F apologized for their version, and
apologized to Van and Irish people everywhere.  
  John F sang, and forgot a few verses.  So he improvised:
"Where did the words go?/ Where did my mind go?/Where did the go go?/You're
my brown-eyed girl!"
From: dlp5@po.CWRU.Edu (Daniel L. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Lyrics....
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:16:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) says:

>	Ok, I have a question.  I've been trying to figure out a few 
>lyrics, and can't get anywhere.... maybe someone can give me a hand.

Hmmmmm. . .All my TMBG tapes (I have no CD player) have the lyrics
printed in them, even my _Canadian_ copy of Lincoln.  Do you have
illegal copies of They's music?  How could you?!  :^)  But why didn't
whoever you copied them from let you read the lyrics?

>	(I think I've figured the meaning of this song out.... it seems
>to refer to "shoehorning" people into catagories and "laws with teeth"
>and such.... rednecks and bigots and reactionaries, oh my!... but John
>and John may have just been high at the time or something and maybe
>it doesn't mean anything.)

I think a lot of their songs have cool and funky hidden meanings like
that, and is one of the reasons They are my favorite group.  I just 
can't find the hidden meaning in Minimum Wage.

Dan, sigless because my directory was just erased!!!
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: jsm1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jason S. MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Why the Fuss About TMBG?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:26:20 GMT

kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>	I consider myself a man of varied but discriminating taste, music
>being no exception.  I like Purcell, Bach, Rachmaninov, Liszt; I can get
>into Industrial, Rap and Techo; I like the Smiths, Bowie and Spirit of the
>West.... all seriously cool in their own way.  So.... Why do I hardly
>ever listen to anything but TMBG!!!!  A couple of geeks who can't even
>sing very well, and who's lyrics are lost is a sea of vague allusion and
>thinly stretched free association!  Is something wrong with me?  Or are
>they just brilliant?
>				....Jose

It's *fun* music, Jose.  For a lot of people that is; not for everyone.
As with anything, it's a taste.  The thing I get from it is not the
allusions in the lyrics; I adore the clever melodies, and the delightful
silliness of most of the lyrics.  For instance, possibly my favorite
moment in any TMBG song is the verse in "I Palindrome I" in which
John so wonderfully sings,

	"Son I am able," she said, "though you scare me."
	"Watch," said I. "Beloved," I said, "watch me scare you, though."
	Said she, "Able am I son."

	See the spring of the grandfather clock unwinding...

The way that he weaves these words is just beautiful, to me.  TMBG music
is just something that I can be there and enjoy.  It's happy music; it's
fun music.  I hope this helps in some way.

Jason MacDonald
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.170707.16133@ms.uky.edu> jayh@ms.uky.edu (Jay Hofacker) writes:
>
>
>
>
>They also played a very strange version of "Instanbul."  About half way
>through, they stopped using instruments, turned the reverb WAY up and
>sang REAL SLOW.  Beforehand they warned that this was the 'artistic'
>part of the show that we had to put up with before they got to the good
>stuff.
>-- 
>Jay Hofacker           | "I don't know what you mean by that."  "You don't know
>Email: jayh@ms.uky.edu | what anybody means by anything."  "What do you mean?"

Ahhh so thats what that was!  It absolutely confused the living hell out of
me as to what was going on.  But i guess that makes sense, since it started
w/ Istanbul and ended like it too, but the middle part was STARNGE!
 
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From: st911227@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Mercutio)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Yeah!
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: st911227@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I am so ecstatically happy that an alt.tmbg newsgroup finally exists (or did it
exist before, and the @$^% server didn't pick it up?) I saw their free concerts
in Chicago and Boston. They didn't do a request song, but they did do a cover
of "Frankenstein" by the Edgar Winter Group, a song I wouldn't think they would
do (but then again, they are TMBG) They also did the traditional TMBG car
crash, a phenomenon I was not familiar with; where did that start? Also, is it
true their rhythm section used to be a metronome? And what is John Linnel
(sic?) singing in Ana Ng while John Flansburg (sic?) is singing "It's a small 
girl after all"? By the way, did y'all know that John Linnel plays 
accordion on the first track of Suzanne Vega's third album "Days of Open Hand"
and that "Thanks to Linnel and Flansburg for all their help" is in the credits?
Anyone know the story behind how that happened? (I assume it has something to
do with they're both being on Warner Brothers records) Finally, does anyone in
the Boston area have the Tiny Toons "Particle Man" and "Istanbul" videos on
tape?


Mercutio, the Merry Master of Madness,  |"His smile seemed to extend
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From: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: different words we hear
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


	i think it is really funny to hear everyones different interpretations
and conclusions on the exact words these guys sing. jim beam, james deam. ill
bet they really say string bean. 
	cool newsgroup. could somebody post the address for the mailing list
and FAQ?
	i am also super grateful that they didnt name this group
alt.music.they-might-be-giants. tmbg is much nicer. have fun.
				lee
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From: osa@wilbur.unh.edu (Bart Simps.. er.. Oktay Ahiska)
Subject: Tonight Show
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Does anyone know when they are gonna appear on the Tonight Show? I
seem to remember it was November 19, but can't be sure. 

Space walk with the corresponding weight, I'd say!!

--
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Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:10:39 -0500 
From: Andrew Porter Glendinning <ag4d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lyrics....

    I think that just about sums "Minimum Wage" up, the allusion to a
modern day slavery. Now how about "Dinner Bell"? Any ideas?

______________________________________________________________________________
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From: DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus)
Subject: Re: What was the requested song at other concerts?
Organization: Fuzzy Logic Laboratories
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:27:17 GMT
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In <BxLw8G.3oM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nuspljj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:

> (New thread)
> 
> 
> When I saw TMBG in Chicago in late June 92 at the Riv, the song requested
> by the audience was 'YMCA' but they played 'Yellow Submarine.'  I was
> wondering, what the 'requested' song was at some of the other shows?
> 
> 
	Here, we got to hear a hilarious rendition of "The Joker" by
Steve Miller. Wonderful stuff.
> 
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From: aimee@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Aimee Eisenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: ********
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:47:55 GMT
Reply-To: aimee@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Aimee Eisenberg)
Followup-To: Lyrics... ag4d+@andrew.cmu.edu


Someone asked about "Dinner  Bell"...
There's a definite Pavlovian influence on it, and if something in all their
rambling about food didn't make you salivate at least a little, I'd say you were
conditioning only yourself.

A TMBG newsgroup is a very cool thing!!!!
Is fingertips just a collection of wanna-be songs, or does anyone know of 
anything else about it?
                                   
                                        Thanks!
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