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From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      Information Laser Uses (fwd)

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From: David A Seigel <dseigel2@WORLD.STD.COM>
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Subject: Help Finding Information for Paper on Laser Uses

     My son, who is in seventh grade, is writing a paper for his science class
at school.  The topic he chose to write on Up-To-Date Uses for Lasers.  Can
anyone offer suggestions where on the Internet (or on Bitnet) I can find
information he can use in his paper.  I am looking for actual information and
also for sources (for example, a cite to an article in a magazine).
Hopefully, this information would be on a level he could understand.

     Please note that I have full Internet access, so I could make use of FTP,
Telnet, send a message such as this to a mailing list (listserv) on an
appropriate topic, etc.  Any suggestions on where to find material or where to
request help would be appreciated.

                                   -- Dave Seigel
                                      dseigel2@world.std.com

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From:         PKING@ac.dal.ca
Subject:      Re: Writing Analysis Programs

Programs that would assign a grade level to a writing sample would, I assume,
check whether the writer had violated conventions of usage that person with an
nth-grade education was expected to have learned (let's ignore for the moment
the fact that not everyone accepts all of these conventions [e.g. the Thou-
Shalt-NEVER-Split-Thy-Infinitives convention]) and whether (s)he had shown an
ability to use words and sentences of varying length.  This is a very different
matter from trying to determine the quality of the thought to which the writing
gives expression.

It is true that many writers "use" complexity to camouflage the fact that they
have nothing significant to say (however, see also Richard A. Lanham's chapter
on "The Uses of Obscurity" in his _Style:_An_Anti-textbook_), but it is also
true that simplicity of style may reflect the writer's superficial understand-
ing of a subject whose very complexity can only be dealt with _adequately_ in
writing that is structurally complex.  I've yet to hear of a grammar/style
checker that can tell one whether a sample of writing that conforms to some
standard of adequacy with respect to usage and/or structural variety actually
conveys anything meaningful, and, unlike Mr. Bluhm, I don't think that such a
program can "easily expose these ... swindlers".  (However, if anyone has heard
of an honest-to God Crap Detector (tm), I'd love to know about it, too.)

Peter F. King
Editorial Service
Medical Computing and Media Services
Faculty of Medicine
Dalhousie University

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:48:26 EST
From:         "Erika H. Gilson" <EHGILSON@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Extensions to System 7

Does anyone have information on an extension to System 7 for Macintosh
which supports different language systems: a little flag on the top bar
identifies the localized system in use.  Clicking on the flag, one
can switch from 'German' to 'Turkish` or whatever.
Many thanks.
Erika Gilson
ehgilson@pucc
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:26:39 EST
From:         Jean Weller <jweller@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      Software Info--EduCost?

Has anyone heard of a software package called EduCost?  It is
an administrative application I believe.  I'd appreciate any
leads on finding out who publishes this.

Thanks!

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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:55:07 EST
From:         Royce Smith <rsmith@sun.cc.westga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Response from parents/educators needed!!

Patt,
  I teach in a middle school, and we have a program called "Lunch and
Learn" for parents.  Every Friday at noon parents are invited to visit our
school to hear speakers present topics particular to education, parenting,
and middle school children.  The presentations are made while the parents
are having lunch in the theater.

Royce Smith
rsmith@sun.cc.westga.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:35:38 EST
From:         "Michael Gaffney, Dunedin NZ" <EDUCJMG@otago.ac.nz>
Subject:      Re: Social Constructions

Jerry McCollum's comments are pertinent to the role of technology in
education.  The metaphors we use are reflected in our social discourse and
practice (language and thought). Reducing people's discourse and practice
down to one of four root metaphors as Pepper suggested is not so easy but
it is possible to show how our language reflects biases towards some
perspectives rather than others.  Semiotics was presented as a science that
would allow us to see the connections within language and how people used it
to develop a perspective.  Its not without its own problems. Namely that it
must theorize about itself because semiotics is presented through language
about language.

People have explored how the metaphor and language of computers was used to
understand the brain and in some cases vice versa.

In terms of the educational use of computers do we use the metaphor of the
computer as tool, tutor or tutee.  The metaphor chosen reflects how we
think of learner, what learning is, and the computers role in that learning.
To chose one usually means that the other metaphors are not used.  Once this
has happened we have built into our software and hardware particular types
of relationships between the computer, learner and teacher.  This then
becomes our socially constructed environment which learners usually do not
have much say in.  Like wise IQ tests are part of a particular environment
that has been socially constructed which includes some ways of doing and
seeing things (social discourse and practice) and excludes others.

I would suggest that the issue of inclusion and exclusion by certain
environments may warrant some discussion.  Is it possible to be
inclusive of all possible perspectives.  A bit like asking is the
multicultural environment achieveable in both the ethnic sense and others.
What perspectives do technology include and preclude?

I will leave that with people to chew on over Xmas.

Michael Gaffney
educjmg@otago.ac.nz
Otago University
New Zealand
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:12:23 EST
From:         brochman@sfu.ca
Subject:      Re: Toolbook / Windowcraft

Re: Toolbook / Windowcraft

I have not seen either, but my understanding is that these software are
similar to HyperCard. Could someone comment?
Harold Brochmann
brochman@sfu.ca
Teacher, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:14:55 EST
From:         "CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY" <SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu>
Subject:      Re: computer fees

Gary Davis raises the fairness question in which government-funding of
education programs is proportional to the cost of the program.  In other
words, is it fair to the taxpayer for the taxpayer to spend more for
educating an engineer than a sociologist.
I maintain it is in society's best interest to have the best and the
brightest go into areas in which they are the best and brightest rather
than into areas which would have lower tuition, fees, etc.
Therefore, computer fees and library fees also would not be appropriate
in that some students may not be able to afford the courses with
higher fees.
The only exception I would make is when the student gets to "keep"
something of "value" such as making a bronze vs. silver work of art, etc.

Charles Sundin, University of Wisconsin-Platteville
sundin_c@uwplatt.edu
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:54:43 EST
From:         Brenda Pfaehler <BPFAEHLER@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject:      have your tried........?

Yesterday, I had the opportunity to spend a day  watching
demonstrations
of IBMs higher education applications. Have any of you used
TookBook for
the development of educational materials at that level? If so,
does it
really work as "slick" as it seemed?

Secondly, have any of you had experience using Desklab? Again,
what has been
your experience with either the networking platform or the
software which
comes with it?
Thanks.
Brenda Pfaehler
PFAEHLER@macc.wisc.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:37:17 EST
From:         aschwart@acs.ucalgary.ca
Subject:      Re: Flames on EDTECH

Just wanted to express my appreciation for Vickie Banks' rational
and appropriate flames policy.

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:31:19 EST
From:         MCCOLLUM@WSUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Re "Social construction"

A better question to ask (assuming everyone adheres to the notion
that all communication is symbolic action) is, "What is NOT a social
construction?"

Does this strike a responsive chord with Mr. Tripp?

Jerry McCollum, Dir.  Biomedical Communicatons
Washington State University, Pullman WA 99164
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:25:28 EST
From:         "MICHAEL KRAMER, TSUTC, (410) 830-2591" <E7L8KRA@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Compressed & Digitally Compressed Video

I need help in finding information on "Compressed Video" and "Digital
Compressed Video."   We are looking at using this technology over our campus
network (both originating and receiving from different sources including
satellite).  I have some information but need more.  I am looking for:

1) Methods (MPEG, etc.)
2) Costs (for initiating a system)
3) Applications of (in an educational environment)
4) Research

Anyone who can supply me with some info, point me to a FAQ, or supply with some
sources of print information (journals, etc.), would be most appreciated.

Thank you for your help and attention.

Michael Kramer
Towson State University
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:13:57 EST
From:         "Michael Gaffney, Dunedin NZ" <EDUCJMG@otago.ac.nz>
Subject:      Re: Windows or OS/2 in a Student Lab Environment

Mary
reports I have read indicate that OS/2 v2 may still give more problems than it
is worth.  Very soon Windows NT will be available that provide the network
setting the necessary tools to overcome some of the problems of Windows 3.1.
No guarantees, however, but it may be worth waiting for rather than changing
to OS/2 when it wont resolve the problems you are facing at present.

Michael Gaffney
education Dept
Otago Unversity
Dunedin
New Zealand
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:59:31 EST
From:         EDTECH Moderator <21765EDT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      EDTECH during the Holidays (?)

I'll be out of town (and off the net) from December 20 through
January 5.  Mary Garrett offered to moderate from December 24 through
January 5, but she left town before we had actually confirmed it all.
And I don't know how to reach her.

I had someone else lined up for December 20 through December 24.  But
EDTECH runs on an IBM which (as IBM's do) requires a TN3270 emmulation
to work.  The person I found uses a NeXt without apparently such
an emmulation, and hasn't moderated before, and isn't used to
RiceMail or an IBM.  So as of this evening, we have finally
given up on that idea.  So far everyone else here, that knows how,
doesn't want to or isn't available, and training someone from
scratch takes time, which is growing short.

Someone with an appropriate system could Telnet to the moderator's
account here, or we could switch the moderator mail to another account
number temporarily.  So I think it could be done from any location.

As things have developed, I now need someone (who preferably) has
moderated a list before, is familiar with IBM mainframes, and who
I know from the list well enough to feel comfortable putting in
charge of the list.  You would be in charge of moderating at minimum
from December 20 through 24, and perhaps longer if available.

Being in charge means forwarding appropriate mail, returning
inappropriate mail, and attempting to handle bounced mail (from
bad addresses).  It takes me about 30 minutes to an hour a day,
though there are ways of doing it faster and ways of taking more
time.  During the end of year holidays, there are often low traffic
days that require little effort.

I'm inclined to simply shut the list down for 2 1/2 weeks at this point
(and will as of tomorrow afternoon if I don't find someone).  This is
of course the disadvantage of having only one tired moderator.

But if someone qualified is willing to take it on, please do send me an
email (include your telephone number), and I'll see if we can work
it out tomorrow.

I'll let you all know what's happening.
Thanks for your help.

Vickie Banks
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:23:27 EST
From:         "Barry R. Rosen | 508.467.5953 DTN:297" <rosen@mazel.mro4.dec.com>
Subject:      Re: computer fees

Gary,

You do raise some interesting thoughts.    I do not think that one can
compare the way libraries are funded at  Canadian  univerities  to the
way they are generally in the United States.    Education in Canada is
government  funded and students (or a student's family) "pay"  for  it
based  on  things  like  the  ability to pay (income).   The  province
(taxpayers) do pay for the library rather than the student but this is
the  national  model.  It gets somewhat similar with the state college
and state  university systems in the United States but that is not the
majority of higher education.

As for charging  students directly for libraries, I wonder how many of
the libraries would be able to survive.  As you stated, many libraries
are somewhat specialized and may  incur  higher expenses for materials
than some others.  Would these  need to charge higher fees?  Would the
humanities library have a different fee schedule  than  the science or
medical library?  I would be concerned that  many  libraries might not
reach the critical mass of users to sustain them  if  they  were soley
fee based  services.    [Of  course, one could make the fees mandatory
like a laboratory fee.]

I remember being *strongly* encouraged to use the library.   This  was
not  to  avoid  purchasing books.  Adding fees, in my experience, does
not generally encourage people to use the fee based facility.

Barry
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:21:47 EST
From:         McCollum <MCCOLLUM@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Social Constructions

I have been asked to clarify my thoughts on social constructions.

One way to interpret reality is through the lenses of root metaphors.
Stephen Pepper stated that 4 root metaphors are adequate to construct
and explain all that we experience: Mechanism (the world is a machine),
Organicism (the world is an organism), Formism (the world consists of
similarities) and Contextualism (the world consists of interactions).

Culturally, we can find ample evidence of individuals, groups and societies
using different root metaphors as their basic "framework" for
interpreting the world.

IF we choose to view the world through the root metaphor of
Contextualism, then the world consists of interactions, specifically
our interactions with it and each other. Therefore EVERYTHING
is a social construction. This interactionist view is consistent
with Zen Buddhism, sub-atomic physics and symbolic action.

IF we choose to view the world through the root metaphor of
Mechanism, then the world consists of objects with properties
and functions which can be objectively acted upon. Therefore social
constructions exist only as "figurative" devices. This view is consistent
with Calvinism, Aristotelian logic, Newtonian physics and information
theory.

What's interesting (to me) is how difficult it is to hold two
filters up to our eyes at the same time. It's easy to look at the world
one way and then another, but to encompass two or more root
metaphors simultaneously is tantamount to insanity (or sainthood).

Incidentally, I believe root metaphors have great significance in
instructional design.

Jerry McCollum, Dir.  Biomedical Communicatons
Washington State University, Pullman WA 99164
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:56:43 EST
From:         Herb Lin <HLIN@NAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gravity as a social construction

>I meant that gravity is a concept invented and used in our society to exlain
>some physical phenomena.
>None of us invents the concept of gravity...we inherit it.  The concept is
>social.  It is something we agree upon.
>Steve Tripp
>ci52@ukanvax.bitnet
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The concept, sure.  But the phenomenon described by that concept, no.
the phenomenon exists apart from social negotiation.
herb lin
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:28:01 EST
From:         youy@sy2000.cet.fsu.edu
Subject:      some differences among change, innovation, restructuring etc?

Is there anyone who help me to clarify some differnences among educational
change, innovation, restructuring, and school improvementand to guide to
the references appropriate for these differences?  I'd be appreciate of it.
Yeongmahn You
406 MCH, CET, B-150
The Florida State University
Tallahassee, FL 32310
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:23:28 EST
From:         RHODES@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Windows or OS/2 in a Student Lab Environment

We also use IronClad from Silver Oak Systems, Inc.  It does work great.  The
installation routine is much improved over the previous incarnation known as
DiskManager.  Works fine with Windows3.1 and with Untouchable Network Virus
Utility.

William A. Rhodes
UT Computing Center
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:18:22 EST
From:         Robert W Mothershead <JSRWM@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs for Elem. Sci

I work at Glacier Valley Elematary School in Juneau, Alaska.  We are a school
of 650 (K-5) students.  We want to put together a multi-media cart with
a CD player that can go into the classrooms and be shared by all the
students.  I am looking for suggestions about hardware and software.
Could someone contact me about what we should buy?  Thanks

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:29:28 EST
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      EDUCOM'93 Call for Proposals (from DEOS-L)

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From: Stephen Ehrmann <sehrmann@llnc.linknet.com>
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Subject: EDUCOM'93 Call for Proposals

If you haven't seen a copy, you might want to look at the Call for
Proposals from EDUCOM'93.  This conference, to be held in
Cincinnati OCt. 17-20, 1993 will apparently continue EDUCOM's trend
toward emphasizing distance learning and uses of multiple
technologies (not just computing). It would be useful for this
community if that trend were to continue, because EDUCOM does bring
so many kinds of people and organizations together --
administrators and faculty, people interested in computing, video
and telecommunications; universities, schools, corporations,
government, etc.

To get a copy of the Call, send a message to CONF@EDUCOM.BITNET;
proposals are due Jan. 15.

Steve Ehrmann
SEHRMANN@LINKNET.COM

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