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From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:48:59 GMT
	<1992Sep28.015210.14174@umbc3.umbc.edu> <5601@news.duke.edu>
	<BvBzvF.F4z@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
	<1992Oct2.000441.27536@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct2.000441.27536@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
> 
> There is a debate currently going on at this stupid university (York U,
> Toronto, Ont. Canada) about supporting the bid for the ISU (International
> Space University).  All the peaceniks have hijacked the process screaming
> such claims that we're about to become an arm of the US military-industrial
> alliance.  Of course this is bullshit; the US military would never fund
> anything at a university where the faculty/student bodies could include
> Cubans, Chinese, Iraqis or worse still, Canadians.

Well, the University Department I'm in has received many contracts from
the US and Canadian militaries, and we have students from mainland
China, Eastern Europe, the United States, and Canada.

Of course, I'm sure the fact that a blatant counter-example like this to
your paranoid fantasies won't change your mind.  (WHY do they let
undergraduates post to Usenet?)

> It such a sad situation you wouldn't believe it.  People are actually
> listening to the bad rhetoric and brainless crap these hippies are
> saying.  Of course, science students are all in favour for it and it's
> usually humanities and fine arts who oppose it.  If someone were to make
> a perfectly legitimate statement like: "Science is science; there is no
> such thing as 'military' science", they'll tar and feather you.

Of course, people like Einstein and Oppenheimer wouldn't agree with you,
but they probably wouldn't count as scientists to you because they
didn't listen to Rush.

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gorp: Well, Mr. Dallas, we've heard your smut masquerading as songs and we've
      heard how teen prostitution, pregnancy, drug use, cults, runaways,
      suicide and poor hygeine are sweeping this nation.  We though you might
      like to share with the committee any particular CAUSES you might see for
      those latter problems..."
Dallas: I dunno.  Maybe the proliferation of narrow, suffocating zealotry
	masquerading as parenting in this country.
 - _Bloom County_, from the Senate Hearings on "Porn Rock"
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From: tsovar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Sovar)
Subject: You people...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:17:27 GMT

Is it any wonder the Republican party has brought up 
the issue of values in this campaign year?  When I 
subscribed to this newsgroup to see if any of you
people out there had anything intelligent to say on
behalf of the Democratic party, every post was titled,
"Bush is a M.F."  and there was no sign of tasteful,
intelligent discourse.

I would encourage those posting to think how an 
unbiased, open-minded person would react.  If some
of you people are typical Democrats, perhaps the 
vice president is correct in his opinions of you.

Tom 
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From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: cs911461@a03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:04:41 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.050847.654@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>> 
>> I also mentioned getting in trouble in high school for actively promoting
>> the US Space program. I'm still trying to figure out that one.
>> 
>> It was sort of strange-some idiots were telling jokes about the death of
>> the Challenger crew, and teachers were DEFENDING it, but a couple of months
>> later Libya got bombed, I told a joke or two about it, and the shuttle jokers
>> were the first to say "That's not funny-people died when they bombed Tripoli".
>> I never could understand how wrong it was to say that the shuttle program
>> is a good thing. Some people can say or do anything without having to explain
>> it.         Simon


There is a debate currently going on at this stupid university (York U,
Toronto, Ont. Canada) about supporting the bid for the ISU (International
Space University).  All the peaceniks have hijacked the process screaming
such claims that we're about to become an arm of the US military-industrial
alliance.  Of course this is bullshit; the US military would never fund
anything at a university where the faculty/student bodies could include
Cubans, Chinese, Iraqis or worse still, Canadians.

It such a sad situation you wouldn't believe it.  People are actually
listening to the bad rhetoric and brainless crap these hippies are
saying.  Of course, science students are all in favour for it and it's
usually humanities and fine arts who oppose it.  If someone were to make
a perfectly legitimate statement like: "Science is science; there is no
such thing as 'military' science", they'll tar and feather you.

I notice that you're posting from Texas.  It would indeed be a shame if
bicycle-riding marxists have now started invading that bastion of the
right.  

C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca

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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:35:38 GMT

In article <5601@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>Well, there is the UNC Black Cultural Center controversy here. Anyone
>who opposes the construction of such a center is a racist. That's
>simplistic for you. (I personally favor a "multicultural center" for
>functions dealing with cultures from all over the world.)

Actually, I oppose such centers in general since they exist for the implicit
reason that one's ancestry is an important factor in one's life.  Educated
people ought to learn to reject such racist nonsense.  Unfortunately, on
universities these days, the prevailing attitude seems to be that one's 
racial (and sexual, and socioeconomic) background is the most important 
attribute one posesses.

Such attitudes are just bigotry in cap and gown.  Not a very pretty sight.

--Brian
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: cs911461@a02.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:22:58 GMT


In article <LABACH.92Oct6083534@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:

>> Yawn.  For all your whining about "whitey", your complaints have a very
>> familiar tone that has nothing to do with colour.  When my _white_
>> ancestors came to Canada from Ukraine, paranoids like you were
>> complaining about their "foreign tongue" and how we failed to have
>> respect for Canada because we kept our clothing and traditions.
>> 
>> However, we came to Canada for the same reason so many others did - to
>> be free - and your fascist rantings will not change the fact that this
>> is a country where we can be free.  There are lots of dictatorships
>> around the world if you want to move someplace where the government
>> tells eveyone what to do.

	My thesis here is that if a nation is to be so diverse as
	is Canada, these differences will eventually destroy the 
	fabric of nationhood.  When there are differences, there
	might also develop questions of which difference is "best".

	To paraphrase, allow me to use a metaphore used yesterday
	during a debate between Preston Manning of the "evil whitey"
	Reform Party and Audrey McGlaughlin (sp?) of the "the world
	is one nation" NDP.  Preston said that he viewed Canada as
	a field were each person were a single white flower growing
	in that field.  Audrey was quick to spit out the oh-so-sincere
	and oh-so-predictable counter-analogy of the field with many
	different flowers, to great applause from the simple-minded
	left-wing audience.  What she neglected to mention was that
	under such a model, certain flowers will be dandelions, others
	red roses.  That is, some flowers will be "better" or "prettier"
	or more "exotic" than others.  This destroys equality.
		
>> > I don't buy this shit.  I treat everyone with the respect they deserve.
>> > If they don't deserve respect, I don't give any.
>> 
>> I'll bet you even believe that, don't you, child?  Even though you just
>> wasted a ton of bandwidth showing that you have no respect for anyone.

	Lookit, that's your interpretation.  Who the hell do you think
	you are, Jesus?  Other people are agreeing with me.  Does this
	mean that they're all children too?  Maybe you're just one of 
	these non-WASP bigots I'm describing.


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:36:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep28.223533.11410@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep28.155144.769@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>,
>lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>
>|> If the taxes were used to provide comprehensive health care, improved
>|> education, workfare and job training, family intervention, subsidized
>|> day care,...., it would be worth it.
>
>Carrying on an intellectual discussion is one thing, but how about an
>example of (i.e., a country where) these programs actuall work?  When
>I see statements like the above I think of Sweden, where everyone gets
>guaranteed housing and health care.  Nice, isn't it? By the way,
>Sweden has an income tax rate of 85% and a >50% unemployment rate.

  The above is typical of the quality of thinking that appears too
  often on Usenet.   While not wishing to live in a society like 
  Sweden's, I must correct Mr. Wette's figures:  the current unemployment
  rate in Sweden is about 5.5%, which is to say, about 2 points lower
  than the US rate.  Moreover this is very high by Swedish standards -
  for the last 3 decades Sweden's unemployment rate has usually been 
  under 2%.

  Furthermore, Mr. Wette posting from "csi.jpl.nasa.gov" better take
  careful note of the following: if we do get serious about cutting
  government programs, welfare and education programs will probably
  be the last ones to go because if you cut those you're likely to 
  turn every city in the country into LA.    NASA, on the other hand,
  is much more expendable.


---peter





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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:40:47 GMT
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct5.191244.19614@ra.msstate.edu> cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:
]And....to all of you who think the problem with the US is
]business regulation, I say, I hope you drown in the pollution
]or are hurt by an end to safety standards that an end to business
]regulation would cause!!!!!

You know, some of us think that the US has too much business regulation,
but that doesn't mean we favor an end to all of it. 

However, in the spirit of you post...
  Perhaps you should die of some disease that could be treated except that the 
    FDA wouldn't approve treatment.
  Perhaps you should lose your job to some environmental regulation that
    is unneeded.
  Perhaps you should lose your job because you don't fit the right 
    racial/sexual/sexual-preference quota.
  Perhaps you should starve because your local grocery store goes out
    of business when the democrats raise the minimum wage too far.
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - Saddam Hussein... he just keeps going... and going... and going - -
From: SAG@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:36:50 GMT
Organization: Rice University

GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
 
: It's ALWAYS easy to sit and pontificate, as we NETusers should know better
: than anyone, but none of us has the POWER, AUTHORITY, or INFLUENCE of the
: Vice-President of the United States. You can't put a smiley on a press
: release.
 
The Vice-President has power, authority, and/or influence?!?!?  :-)
Scary thought....especially, considering who the current veep is.
 
        "Once there were two brothers: one ran away to sea, the other
        was elected Vice-President -- and nothing was ever heard from
        either of them again."  -- Thomas Marshall
 
        "The Vice-Presidency of the United States isn't worth a pitcher
        of warm spit."  -- John Nance Garner
 
        "My country has contrived for me the most insignificant office
        that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination
        conceived." -- John Adams
 
Now returning you to your regularly scheduled newsgroups.....  :-)
 
Hate to be so obvious, buuuuuut:
1944: Vice President Harry Truman
1945: PRESIDENT Harry Truman
1952: Vice President Richard Nixon
1968: PRESIDENT Richard Nixon
1960: Vice President Lyndon Johnson
1963: PRESIDENT Lyndon Johnson
1973: Vice President Gerald Ford
1974: PRESIDENT Gerald Ford
1980: Vice President George Bush
1988: PRESIDENT George Bush
1988: Vice President Danny Quayle
19---------ACK!
 
           "It's just a shot away..." --The Rolling Stones
 
--S.A.G.
--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)                     "Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu                      importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD                      parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com                       -- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl
 
Marrou/Lord in '92
 
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:41:23 GMT


But that's what I was trying to say.

Simon
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:56:13 GMT

It seems like anytime someone talks about politics there's this seething
hatred for our President and Vice-President.  I sit to watch an entertainment
show and it's a Clinton/Gore soapbox, and people say that's cool, freedom
of speech and all that ood stuff, and yet totally lose it when Rush Limbagh
comes on- I always hear someone saying how he should be silenced. This comes
from people who a few minutes earlier were defending free speech, demanding
that someone be silenced.   I have personally lost track of all the times
my rights to free speech wee taken away. I've been denounced as a racist
merely because I oppose the welfare system, I got in trouble in high school
for promoting our space program, and one time I was called a racist bigot
because I called the rioters in LA murderers and thieves.  That's hyprocrisy!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:11:35 GMT

In <1992Oct2.000441.27536@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:



>Toronto, Ont. Canada) about supporting the bid for the ISU (International
>Space University).  All the peaceniks have hijacked the process screaming
>such claims that we're about to become an arm of the US military-industrial
>alliance.  Of course this is bullshit; the US military would never fund
>anything at a university where the faculty/student bodies could include
>Cubans, Chinese, Iraqis or worse still, Canadians.

Jesus, does that leave any universities at all?
                 
>It such a sad situation you wouldn't believe it.  People are actually
>listening to the bad rhetoric and brainless crap these hippies are
>saying.  Of course, science students are all in favour for it and it's
>usually humanities and fine arts who oppose it.  If someone were to make
>a perfectly legitimate statement like: "Science is science; there is no
>such thing as 'military' science", they'll tar and feather you.

So then, the US military would never fund anything anywhere anyway,
'cause there's no such thing as military science?

>I notice that you're posting from Texas.  It would indeed be a shame if
>bicycle-riding marxists have now started invading that bastion of the
>right.  

Hey, C. Armour-Kidson, I'm sorry; it wasn't until this last 
paragraph that I realized you were satirizing the position
of paranoid right-wing losers. Try using more smilies.

- Duncan

Duncan Thornton          | An odd thought strikes me - we shall receive no
thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca |             email in the grave.
From: winer@husc9.harvard.edu (Adam Winer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:24:22 GMT
 <1992Oct2.000441.27536@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> <1992Oct3.043326.2983@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Distribution: usa

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:


>Well, there are some screwed-up things going on around here, but I haven't
>seen any Marxists out in the open yet :-)

>What I do hear is alot of talk about how anyone who is right-of-center is
>a Nazi or something.

>The whole anti-space attitude is an offshoot of the anti-technology/anti-
>private property angle of the liberals, at least that's what I've figured.
>Simon  (SPACE SHUTTLES NOT FOOD STAMPS!!!)   :-)

I'm very liberal, and quite a technology freak.  I think the space
program is one of the greatest accomplishments of the US.  I also
think the way we abuse our forests is despicable.

But what really pisses me off are the liberal-arts majors who scream
about the loss of the ozone layer and probably couldn't give me the
chemical formula for ozone.  It pisses me off that a large percentage
of the environmentalist movement are PC morons, and that I have to get
lumped with them in the eyes of conservatives.  These are people who
say "Save the Spotted Owl" (which I agree with, though not in those
exact words), and can't give a reasonable argument my George Bush's
"Jobs or Owls" statement is complete BS.

(MEN ON MARS, NOT MEN IN IRAQ).

Hey, wow, I can come up with a catchy sign-off line too! :-)

Just my $.02,
Adam


Actually, that was more like $.08
-- 
Adam Winer		| The number you have reached is imaginary.
WINER@HARVARD.EDU	| Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and
                        | try again.
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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:37:20 GMT
	<1992Sep24.001304.11352@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
	<1992Sep24.134747.13873@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Sep27.095613.5527@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

In article <1992Sep27.095613.5527@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

   [...]
   people say that's cool, freedom of speech and all that ood stuff,
   and yet totally lose it when Rush Limbagh comes on- I always hear
   someone saying how he should be silenced. This comes from people
   who a few minutes earlier were defending free speech, demanding
   that someone be silenced.
   [...]

Who said this?  Perhaps they said "he should be silenT."  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:17:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.043326.2983@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Well, there are some screwed-up things going on around here, but I haven't
>seen any Marxists out in the open yet :-)

	What about vegetarian-terrorists and eco-freaks?  These are just
	modern Marxists.  What makes them worse than the true variety
	is that they don't have a Das Kapital behind them yet.

>What I do hear is alot of talk about how anyone who is right-of-center is
>a Nazi or something.
>
>The whole anti-space attitude is an offshoot of the anti-technology/anti-
>private property angle of the liberals, at least that's what I've figured.
>Simon  (SPACE SHUTTLES NOT FOOD STAMPS!!!)   :-)

	The whole idea is to colonize a new planet with eco-freaks where
	they can run around naked and eat olives until they realize that
	it's really no life at all.  They'll be wanting cars soon.

C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca

Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:05:59 GMT

In <1992Oct1.012930.10466@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:

>Canada is "praised" as a multi-cultural "heaven on Earth" where everyone
>can live together harmoniously regardless of their creed, religion or
>skin colour.  This is total crap.  What it really means is that "whitey"
>is an evil fiend who gets everything he has "real easy" and never has to
>experience hardship in any form.  Furthermore, "whitey" must pay special
>attention to everything that he says, does and thinks because he is 
>to blame for the world's problems.  
[....]

>Basically, "whitey" must encourage the dark races so that they'll be 
>lenient when they take over.

[....]
>I'm so sick of being treated like a criminal in the country I was born
>(Canada) simply because I'm white.  Bring on the melting-pot.  This
>"mosaic" garbage is a noble idea but is only a fine example of simple-
>minded idealism.  That is, itself, a crime greater than anything Hitler
>could have ever done.

>C. Armour-Kidson

Gosh, C.Armour-Kidson, I'm a white Canadian, and I'm even
a white Canadian who's gone on the record as being opposed
to "Political Correctness" since, oh, 1982. But I've never
suffered for being white, and I've never been treated like
a criminal. Occasionally people have been rude, but then
I've never been stopped and frisked because of my colour
or anything.

Of course, I'm not a tremendous loser either.


Duncan Thornton          | Astronomy teaches the correct use of the sun and
thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca |      the planets.   - Stephen Leacock
	
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