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From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: PGN game lists at valkyries ftp site
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:49:25

I have just uploaded three game list files to the ftp site at
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu in the pub/chess/uploads directory.

-rw-r-----  1 ftp      staff      159174 Dec 28 16:28 Fischer.glst.Z
-rw-r-----  1 ftp      staff       87121 Dec 28 16:28 Smyslov.glst.Z
-rw-r-----  1 ftp      staff      366887 Dec 28 16:28 Tal.glst.Z

These compressed text files have, after uncompressing, ASCII format
games using PGN (Portable Game Notation).  The moves are presented
using SAN (Standard Algebraic Notation) and the auxiliary game
information is given using the General Seven Tag Format (Event, Site,
Date, Round, White, Black, Result).  Note that there is no annotation
or any other copyrightable information in the files.

The Fischer file has 773 games, the Symslov file has 398 games, and
the Tal file has 1980 games.

Unfortunately, much of the tag information is missing or is ill-formed
for many of the games.  Indeed, I am making these files available via
ftp so that some volunteers may help with filling in the details for
full tag data.  Examples of what consistutes a complete tag set can be
found in the last thirty games in the Fischer file; these are the data
from the Fischer/Spassky Return Match.  Here's an example:

[Event "Fischer-Spassky II"]
[Site "Belgrade, Serbia Yugoslavia"]
[Date "1992.11.05"]
[Round "30"]
[White "Boris Spassky"]
[Black "Robert J. Fischer"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nc6 7. Nge2 a6 8. h4 h5
9. Nc1 Nd7 10. Nb3 a5 11. a4 Nb4 12. Be2 b6 13. g4 hxg4 14. fxg4 c5 15. h5 cxd4
16. Nxd4 Nc5 17. Nd5 Bb7 18. Nf5 gxf5 19. gxf5 Bxd5 20. exd5 Bxb2 21. Kf1 Qd7
22. Qb1 Bxa1 23. Rg1+ Kh8 24. Qxa1+ f6 25. Qb1 Rg8 26. Rg6 Rxg6 27. hxg6 Kg7
0-1

Note that the games are chronologically ordered in each file, at least
with respect to the given year.  All of the games have the correct
"Result" tag value.  All have at least one of the players' names
correctly given; most have both.  All of the games have the correct
year given in the "Date" tag.

I would really like to be able to fill in all the details myself, but
I am rather lacking with respect to available spare time.  If enough
volunteer help can be found, we can all have the benefits of a
publicly available ASCII games database: the Internet MGR (Master
Games Repository).

I am also looking for a coordinator to help with the project so that I
may revert to working on the SAN Kit.  I have some C source available
to help with the coordination task.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: MChess Pro vs. ChessMachine
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:13:43 GMT

uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:

>In article <2b3e4cfawnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (R.Stephan) writes:
>>> >
>>> But in Madrid, Chessmachine Schroeder defeated MChess Pro on a 486/66,
>>
>>
>>   NOT!!!!  Please check your facts.
>You are wrong, my FACTS are correct, Chessmachine and MChess Pro met
>head to head only once, and MChess Pro LOST.  Please check the facts,
>I can send you a game listing if you like.

>>   One CM win in one game is by no means a "defeat".  Here you see 30 games.
>>   And more coming...

>OK, perhaps the tourney can be declared invalid, but in fact MChess Pro
>and the chessmachine only met in 1 game, and in that game the result
>was decisive, The Chessmachine won the game outright.  The fact
>is, if they had met 30 times, perhaps MChess pro would have won,
>but IN MADRID THEY ONLY MET ONCE, and MChess Pro LOST THE GAME.
>This may be inconclusive, I grant you, but....just declare the
>whole Madrid Chess tourney invalid and we will proceed from there.
>If you cannot declare the Madrid Chess tournament invalid, then
>you must accept the fact that The ChessMachine won the computer
>chess championship.  I hear another tournament (for computers)
>is scheduled soon,perhaps that will allow MChess Pro a chance
>to redeem itself.

>-Roger
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>bix: ruzun
>NET: uzun@crash.cts.com


The version of Chess Machine in Madrid was NOT the same one you can buy
commercially.  It was at least twice as fast.  On the other hand the
MChess Pro used was the commercial version, and the PC it played on was a
standard setup.
From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Dennis Baker et al
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:47:59 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Dec21.161453.2240@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
[deleted]
>To all:
>Anyway, I have a suggestion - why don't we agree to require
>each post to have an obligatory chess section to each article?
>For example,
>
>obchess:  Where does White get comp for the piece after
>          1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Bxf7 Kxf7 5.Qf3+ Kg8
>          6.Ng5?? Qxg5!  ???  Why is this book?
>
>or obchessreply: After 7.Qxd5+ Be6 8.Qxe6 is mate!  You patz!
>
>or obchess:  I have problems with my Fidelity Travelmaster.
>             The batteries don't last long enough!
>
>or whatever, as long as it has something to do with chess.
>It doesn't have to be deep, but it does have to relate to
>chess.

Great idea, but what are you talking about in the previous move order?
I don't have a board in front of me, but what knight are you trying to
move to g5?? And how is black moving his bishop to e6 when the d-pawn is
still there?  And how is white moving his queen to d5 with the black
knight on e4?  And...

-ks
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: pad8499a@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Phil Dorsey)
Subject: Re: harvard square speed.
Organization: RIT-American Video Institute
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.1528.9333@channel1> "dale smoak" 
<dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:
> A man walked up to Murray Turnbull, the Harvard Square
> master, with his "nephew" in tow, and said, here, why don't you play
> him.  So Murray gave his usual odds of three minutes to five, or maybe
> it was two to five, and got wiped off the board.  Hmmm, he said, they set
> up again, and again the nephew wiped him out.  Then the "uncle"
> introduced Short.  Murray was thrilled, as it was the first time he'd 
ever
> played a grandmaster (he's played one or two since, as Dzindzichashvili
> has come through occasionally).

I believe it was (May or June) in 1985 that I saw Murray playing 
Dzindzichashvili when I visited Cambridge to attend an old friend's 
graduation ceremony at Harvard.  There was a hugh crowd around Murray's 
board in Harvard Square.  Murray later explained that Dzindzichashvili 
would spot him time on the clock (a reversal of roles) and would pay 
Murray win or lose (ordinarily the challenger gets a refund upon winning a 
game) on the theory that Murray could have been making money playing 
others if Dzindzi hadn't come by.  It is hard enough to get experience 
playing a GM without paying a lot of money, but Murray did even better -- 
he got the GM to pay him for the privilege.  Perhaps it is true that all 
things come to those who wait.

Phil Dorsey
Rochester Institute of Technology
American Video Institute
Interactive Media Laboratory
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Progressive Chess & Computers
From: <GUF@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:21:39 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone know if any of the computer machines and/or computer
chess software packages have the capability of playing progressive
chess (i.e. white 1 move, black 2 moves, white 3 moves, etc.)?
Please copy me directly as I do not always check the usenet out.
Thanks.
Gil Gall (guf@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: To (mostly) all; Sven especially.
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:45:02 GMT
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1992Dec31.170525.761@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.072528.19480@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>> In article <19022@mindlink.bc.ca> Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
>>>I still don't think dmc knows how to play chess.  I think he and Sven should
>>>have a match on the net, so we can all watch.  I would miss the brilliant and
>>>compelling advocacy which we have all come to love, but I for one would be
>>>willing to make that sacrifice.
>>>
>> I agree - if a third netter keeps score. Otherwise, dmc will claim, before his
>> 2nd move, that my first two moves were 1.f3 and 2.g4 and that I am now just 
>> bullshiting that I actually moved 1.e4 and 2.Nf3 because I realized how stupid
>> my moves were...
>> 
>> 	Sven
>> 
>
>I make you the same offer I made Harper.

I have already accepted one offer, the one that came first. If you also
accept it, we'll play. I'll reply to your offer (which came later) after I
know your response to the first offer.

>You got balls enough to accept?

Obviously, you are confused as of whose turn to accept or decline the offer
it is.

	Sven
From: Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen)
Subject: Re: MChess Pro vs. ChessMachine
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:02:43 GMT

> R.Stephan writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <2b3e4cfawnr070@ark.abg.sub.org>
> Posted: 27 Dec 92 17:40:00 GMT
>
> Org.  : Not Very Ltd.
>
> uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:
> > >- MChessPro vs. ChessMachine Gideon 2.1 (Blitz mode - 60/5'):  8.5 - 1.5
> > >- MChessPro vs. ChessMachine King 1.0   (Blitz mode - 60/5'):  8.0 - 2.0
> > >- MChessPro vs. ChessMachine Gideon 2.1 (Tournament - 60/2h):  6.5 - 3.5
> > >
> > But in Madrid, Chessmachine Schroeder defeated MChess Pro on a 486/66,
> > it is unclear to me that MChess Pro can beat the latest version
> > of The Chessmachine and the Schroeder software, which is its
> > default software, iin any competition with any 80X86 machine,
> > because of the results of the latest world chess championship
> > tournament, where The Chessmachine won, and MChess pro palced 10th,
> > with MChess Pro and the Chessmachine meeting in head to head competion.
>
>
>    NOT!!!!  Please check your facts.
>    One CM win in one game is by no means a "defeat".  Here you see 30
> games.
>    And more coming...
>
>    The results of the WCs are not only always doubtful (5 round Swiss),
>    but this one is also rumored to have been manipulated by not pairing
>    correctly (Swiss-wise).
>
> ralf
> --
> ***************
> Sbetrg Pburerag

I had the opportunity to observe one of those Micro World Championships here
in Vancouver. It turns out that the operators-programmers prepare for their
opponents just like Grandmasters. Knowing what lines each machine plays in
certain openings and than trying to set up their own machines. Mr. Hirsch of
Mchess fame does not believe in this and lets his programm play whatever
opening happens to come along. Therefore his programm has a distinct
disadvantage in such short tournaments.
Peter
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
Subject: Another problem with "Combination Challenge!" by Hays and Hall
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:25:45 GMT

A few months ago I posted some of my thoughts on the book "Combination
Challenge!" by Lou Hays and John Hall.  After discussing position #1, it 
became apparent that there were at least two different versions of the
book in circulation (if position #1 has a pawn on c6, then your book is a
newer version than mine).

I recently discovered another unfortunate problem with my version of the
book: pages 169-176 are missing entirely; these would have contained the
solutions for problems #821-834, and diagrams for problems #835-888.  Does
the newer version also have this omission?  Does anyone know if Hays Publishing
is willing to supply the missing pages?

john//
jrb@ingres.com
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: MAJOR BUMMER
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

-> If it wipes out Tom's 9-0 record, I suggest you get out of town,
-> quick <G>.

hee hee, I'm waiting for his responce...
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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:53:23 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec28.161939.693@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>Give it up Christopher, only a handful of us actually want serious debate. The
>rest want to just make noise so no one thinks they are stupid.
>

You dare include yourself in the category of those wanting serious debate??

(My apologies for posting here, but DMC ignores e-mail forcing one to
respond in the newsgroup.  Perhaps if we ignored his postings...)
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Harper Challenged!
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:04:09 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec30.224631.20511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.125320.739@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
> writes (to Bruce Harper):
> 
>>But, since you are SOOOO certain, I'll make you a wager. I fly out to where
>>you are, and play YOU in a game of chess.
>>
>>Loser pays for the roundtrip tickets.
> 
> Actually, it would be much easier to do it on ICS!!
> You could post the time that the two of you would play,
> and everybody here could watch.  Money could still be
> involved (maybe...possibly...perhaps).

Well, a wager for money is something neither of us could do, as it would really
hurt us before our respective bars.

But loser pays the cost of the arrangments...I like that.

> 
> The address is valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu 5000
> This is great!
> 
>>So Mr. Expert, still believe so strongly in your claim???
> 
> Yet another stone is cast!  Bruce, you gonna take that from him?

Sure he is. Just watch.  

> 
> -Mark
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS GAME
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

-> Waiting for you in game 6. You are white, as in our disrupted game.
-> However, my position looks better now <G>.

Ok, got it.
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen)
Subject: Re: A question for DMCy
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:41:46 GMT

You may try "Warriors of the Mind" By Keene-Divinsky, produced by Hardinge
Simpole Publishing.This book lists some 64 super GMs of all times and
their scores against each other. Against this group, for example, Fischer
played 206 games and scored 59.7%.
I do understand that an update is in the making.
Peter
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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess problem of causing probelms.
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:07:48 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec28.050253.22961@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:
>>>> K . k r b . . .   Now certainly KRBP should be enough material to mate
>>>> P . . p . . . .   against KPPP. In this particular position, however..
>>>> . . . P . . . .
>>>> . P . . . . . .   White (caps) to move.
>>>> . . . . . . . .
>>>> . . . . . . . .   C. S. Kipping (Chess 1936)
>>>> . . . . . . . .
>>>> . . . . . . . .   2X
>>>>
>>>> Harri H.
>>>
>>> Not quite. Move the bishop, the rook goes free, and the board changes.
>>Whoops, my mistake. White does have a forced mate. I missed that white moves
>>first in this problem.
> 
> Quite!  The other point to the problem is that White *must*
> mate Black, as no other legal moves are possible.
> In other words, 1.b6,B to f7 or g6 or h5 2.b7# is forced
> for both White and Black.
> 
> -Mark

Of course, there are variations on this set-up. One could have various pawns
blocking each other, or possibly other pieces, which could move, but can not
stop white from winning. FOr example, add a black queen at f8 and a black pawn
at f7. You could also add a black pawn at g7 (or g6) and place a rook at g8.
 
Hmmm...what is the highest number of points black can have and still get
stuck with being mated.
 
Any takers?
From: kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: British Columbia Closed
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:35:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1i32hdINN3gc
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu
BOrganization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <19107@mindlink.bc.ca> Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen) writes:
>British Columbia Closed Championship.
>
>The BC Closed will commence tomorrow (Jan 2, 1993) in Vancouver. The
>competitors are as follows :

>...[list of competitors deleted]

>Absent for a number of reasons are GM Duncan Suttles, FM Bruce Harper and
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Too bad Bruce is going to be a no-show.  He must be preparing for his big
match with DMC...




>   Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca         Vancouver, Canada

-kevin
kgowene.uoregon.edu

PS - I know a really lousy barber in case anybody is interested...
From: jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: this has got to stop
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:58:51 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily10.berkeley.edu






Please, everybody just ignore this asshole. The inference people fail to make 
which keeps this guy around is that *only an idiot* would behave this way!  
That means that it is a waste of time dealing with him.  And I dont mean it is
a waste of time because you wont convince himn he is an idiot,  that is 
already obvious.  What I mean is it is a waste of time dealing with him 
because his opinion is worthless. WHO CARES WHAT THIS GUY THINKS!!

The next time you get pissed off at what a total asshole this guy is and get 
ready to write a response, go through the following thought experiment first:
Think of what this guy must be like in person.  Imagine how you would react
to him if you met him in person.  You'd probably just laugh at the guy as 
a poor deluded guy who just gets on your nerves.  You'd want him to go away.
You'd realize that fueling his idiotic need for attention will just keep
him around.  So you'd ignore him.  Let's try to do that here.  

Please. Don't respond to anything he says.  If anything, just do it out of
curiousity to see what he'll do if he has no one to irritate.

Jeffrey Ely

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.085202.704@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>
>Gee, the Government holds a gun to your head, extracts money, and you consider
>it a contribution???
>
>That's like saying you contributed to a mugger! ;-)
>
I see: it's not Fischer you care about. You are just guided by your sacred
principle: "Whatever the Government does, must be wrong."

I hope you go all the way. Prisons are not on Internet. Yet.

	Sven
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (R.Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Best Free Chess Program
Date: 26 Dec 92 09:53:00 GMT
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

Me writes:
> 
> Why,  GNUchess is not that bad.  Remember, it won a tournament this year
> even in the old 3.1 version...
> 
> Has anyone compared Psion with GNUchess on the same machine?

And the best of all:  You get the sources with it and can play with them!

ralf
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Sbetrg Pburerag
From: lumme@sara.cc.utu.fi (Mikael Lumme)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Users vs MChess
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:00:49 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In the game Users vs MChess the move of the
users group is 40. Qxg7+

 Game #2 so far:      1 e4   e5   13 OOO  Na6   25 Rxf8+ Kxf8  37 Qc4  Qf6
                      2 f4   ef   14 Nd4  Ng3   26 Qc2   Kg8   38 Re2  Rf7
 8 - - - - - b k -    3 Nf3  d6   15 Bb5  Qe5   27 Qf5   g3    39 Qg4+ Qg7
 7 - - p - - r Q p    4 d4   g5   16 Rhe1 Nc5   28 Qd7   b5    40 Qxg7+
 6 p - - p - - - -    5 h4   g4   17 Nb3  Nxb3  29 a3    b4
 5 - - - P - - - -    6 Ng1  f5   18 cb   a6    30 axb4  Qe7
 4 - P - - - - - P    7 Bxf4 fe   19 Bd3  Bf5   31 Qg4   Qe3
 3 - P N - - - p -    8 Nc3  Nf6  20 Bb1  Rae8  32 Qd7   Re7
 2 - P K - R - P -    9 d5   Bg7  21 Bf4  e3    33 Qc8+  Bf8
 1 - - - - - - - -   10 Nge2 O-O  22 Bxe3 Bxb1  34 Kc2   Qf2+
   a b c d e f g h   11 Qd2  Nh5  23 Kxb1 Nf1   35 Rd2   Qf1
                     12 Bg5  Qe8  24 Rxf1 Qxe3  36 Qg4+  Rg7