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From: law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN YEW KEONG)
Subject: Legal Advice
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:56:02 GMT



I am a final year law student planning to specialise in law regarding
all aspects of computing. I am computer literate and will be able to
understand most computer jargon except highly technical subjects like
Huffman coding etc.

If you have any legal problems or queries, post to me, and I will
endeavour to give free advice as far as possible.

It will be good practice for me, and free legal advice for you.

Disclaimer :

I will not be liable for any prosecution, both civil and criminal,
arising in any way connected to my giving the advice, whether it may be
your reliance on my advice, or my advice leading to criminal behaviour.
No one should interpret my advice as conclusive, and my advice is given
in the same manner as suggestions, and I do not profess any expert
knowledge on the advice I give. I disclaim responsibility for any losses
you incur by relying on my advice, and if any advice I give is illegal,
let it be known that I have no knowledge of collaboration with any
criminal.

I wonder if this disclaimer works, but it sure sounds legal. But I mean
all this mumbo jumbo, and if my drafting skills leave much to be
desired, read it in spirit, not in form.
--

_________________________________________________________________________
Michael Tan Yew Keong | law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg | law40003@nusvm.nus.sg|
Final Year Law student - OH GOD, IT'S BEEN A HELLUVA LONG TIME!!!       |
________________________________________________________________________|
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_________________________________________________________________________
Michael Tan Yew Keong | law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg | law40003@nusvm.nus.sg|
Final Year Law student - OH GOD, IT'S BEEN A HELLUVA LONG TIME!!!       |
________________________________________________________________________|
Newsgroups: misc.int-property
From: law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN YEW KEONG)
Subject: Legal Discussion
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:46:22 GMT



Please ignore ALL my previous postings on the subject.

I am a final year law student planning to specialise in law regarding
all aspects of computing. I am computer literate and will be able to
understand most computer jargon except highly technical subjects like
Huffman coding etc.

It would be interesting for me to get to know real world legal problems 
regarding computers. If you have any legal problems or experiences,
post to me, and I will be glad to discuss them with you. The experience will
prove invaluable to me.

Disclaimers :

I will not be liable for any prosecution, both civil and criminal,
arising in any way connected to our discussion, whether it may be
your reliance on our discussion, or our discussion leading to criminal 
behaviour.

Nobody should regard our discussions as final and conclusive, and I do not
profess any expert knowledge whatsoever.

I disclaim responsibility for any losses you incur by relying on our 
discussions, and if any of our discussions lead to criminal behaviour,
let it be known that I have no knowledge of collaboration with any
criminal.

I wonder if this disclaimer works, but it sure sounds legal. But I mean
all this mumbo jumbo, and if my drafting skills leave much to be
desired, read it in spirit, not in form.
--

_________________________________________________________________________
Michael Tan Yew Keong | law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg | law40003@nusvm.nus.sg|
Final Year Law student - OH GOD, IT'S BEEN A HELLUVA LONG TIME!!!       |
________________________________________________________________________|
--

_________________________________________________________________________
Michael Tan Yew Keong | law40003@nusunix1.nus.sg | law40003@nusvm.nus.sg|
Final Year Law student - OH GOD, IT'S BEEN A HELLUVA LONG TIME!!!       |
________________________________________________________________________|
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Where's "Zima?"
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: jongsma@esseye.si.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smiths Industries

In <9710051@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> barryf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Barry Fowler) writes:

>When living in the Sacramento, Calif. area, a new malt liquor beverage
>called: "Zima" was being test marketed there.  Upon my recent return, 
>it's still being sold (quite well) there.

>The stuff ain't bad.  It's a bit like beer without the stronger taste and
>is clear (has the apearance of sparkling water).

>Does anyone know where, beside Sacramento, this stuff is being sold and
>any plans to expand its market?

>It's made in Tennessee, ironically.

Seagrams is selling something similar in Michigan. It's not bad (does not
taste like beer, but probably has a similar alcoholic content.)

Ken
-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Where to file complains when disputing with an airlin
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

There was an article in USA Today a couple years ago (I think I saved it
somewhere) about a guy who took a flight from Seattle to NY.  More or
less on time, but the guy waited for over an hour for his luggage to
come off the plane.  (Nobody's luggage was coming off).  He went to the
airline baggage desk to complain about it and was treated very rudely
by the airline agent there.

He filed suit against the airline for "breach of contract".  The
"contract" was his ticket, where the airline promised "friendly and
efficient service to the best of their ability".  The service certainly
wasn't friendly, and after an hour waiting for luggage to come off the
plane, it clearly wasn't efficient either.  He was awarded $12.5K.

fwiw,
Jon
-----------
Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Continental, Compassion Fares, and Price Gouging
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:42:11 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan21.184730.28794@pvi.com> todd@pvi.com (todd) writes:
>
>Her questions:
>
>4. Is there a regulation against this kind of "price gouging"?

    Hmmmm, buying a cheap fare with an advance purchase requirement
    and then calling it price gouging seems a bit unrealistic
    wouldn't you think?

    The airlines sell those cheap fares with advance purchase
    requirements to get additional business and to plan load
    capacity in advance.

    The closer to flight time you have to change your flight plans,
    the more you pay for a given trip.

    This really gouges business travellers to subsidize vacation
    travellers.

    What would you really want the airline to do?  If they offered
    to just totally refund the original fare and let your friend
    buy a FULL fare ticket would that make you any happier?  

    Note that they aren't even required to refund that lower
    excursion fare...but they certainly COULD make your friend
    pay full fare unless their published rate schedule makes other
    arrangements.

    In truth, Continental gave your friend a break...which is what
    the travel agents are probably politely trying to say.....
>
>5. Would it do any good to write to the FAA, the Better Business 
>	Bureau, or the bankruptcy court handling Continental?
>

    The bankruptcy court is there to protect the Continental
    creditors.  Their most likely action would be to send your
    friend a bill for the difference between the published fare
    and the fare Continental gave her.  
    The Better Business Bureau might just explain the sad facts of
    life.

    The FAA though might be interested....the entire issue of fare's
    is pretty much a sore point.  However the biggest complainers
    are businesses with lotsa travellers and thus lotsa bucks
    involved in the current fares which always penalize late-travel
    changes.
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Help!    (stolen wallet troubles)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:55:30 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

>Your choice, certainly, but I saw a vendor once refuse to accept an
>unsigned credit card.  That's his choice.
>

Burdines (a Fla dept store chain) once asked me to sign an unsigned
credit card (I did).  When I subsequently (ams purchase!) noticed the 
clerk very carefully comparing my new signature on the card with that on
the reciept I remarked "of course they match".  She then politely explained
that they have to verify signatures on each transaction because they
had a lot of fraud.

                                        rob b.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: How to fight telemarketers
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:40:16 GMT

In article <C1BEMB.CLu@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>hroth@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Harris Roth) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan21.184535.17960@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>>	What irks me most of all is the computer auto-dialers.  Most
>>>of them won't relinquish the line if you hang up on them.  I've
>>>had my line tied up for *30 minutes* whlie it cycles thryu the whole
>>>schpiel!  Aside from leaving msgs in the gaps like "I can't dial 911
>
>This comes up in comp.dcom.telecom occasionally.  When you are called
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(as opposed to when someone calls you), you can hang up the phone for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is totally contradictory; either you are called or your are
calling.

Dave
 

-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: bcadotte@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Beverly Cadotte)
Subject: Re: Pre-Approved card Mail in annual fee??
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:29:28 GMT

In article <C1FI3u.Aqq@encore.com> slightbo@encore.com writes:
>My wife received a pre-approved credit application for a Gold MC
>they offer a $10,000 credit line.  All they ask is that she mail 
>in the "annual fee" payment of $39. This is not covered in the FAQ,
>but I smell a rat? What do you think? 



I received a similar mailing a couple of months ago. It turned out to be
a Gold card good towards any purchase from their catalogs. Sort
of like Fingerhut with a fee.  I laughed so hard when it came in
the mail because I actually fell for this.


Beverly Tookey
bcadotte.devvax.jpl.nasa.gov


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: markd@locus.com (Mark Dubinsky)
Subject: Ford VISA is going berzerk
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:52:24 GMT

I got a letter from Ford yesterday about their new "Limited Edition" gold
VISA that most people will be converted to.  Unfortunately, they're 
eliminating the rebate after your next check.  You can also join the 
"Ford Auto Club" for free.  It looks like some of the services you get
from AAA.  They lowered their rates and eliminated cash advance fees until
Aug 31.  The cash advance interest rate is 6% and the purchase rate is
something like 13%, so if you have a balance, you're much better off getting
a cash advance.  They also said all cash advances posted before Jan 27
(tomorrow) will be treated like purchases.  (Interpret that part as you
wish.  As usual, I got as many different answers as the number of people
I talked to.)

Also, on the same day, I got a letter from ATT Universal Card that they are
dropping the cash advance fee on their checks until Mar 8.  ATT has a 30
day grace period on cash advances.  But they want you to use the checks to
transfer balances, and their rep claimed that if they go back and check and
catch you making out the check for some other reason, they may try to 
impose the fee after all.  (Whatever all that means)

markd@locus.com
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Insurance question
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:54:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1715@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM, lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:
>
>If the tickets occurred within the last 3 years then he *does* have points,
>and the insurance co. will find out about them when they query the state
>database (assuming the tickets are in his home state; and there may be some
>data sharing between states, I don't know). 

There is.

Ticket info is sent to the home state DMV.  Insurance companies check
the DMV for every state in which you resided for the last 3 years.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,co.general
From: jason@jazz.cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions)
Subject: Re: Illegal telephone recording
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:10:55 GMT
	<1993Jan20.172624.9115@netwise.com>
	<1993Jan20.230522.21003@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: HP-Network and Systems Management Division

In article <1993Jan20.230522.21003@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

   >Self-incrimination applies after you have been charged for something.

   This isn't really the case: The entire idea of entrapment, is the
   police tricking someone into self-incrimination before they
   arrest him.

Bzzzzt! Nice try, though.

Entrapment occurs when law enforcement officials commit some illegal act
(e.g. making drugs available) without court order to assist them in getting
the victim of entrapment to commit an illegal act. Self-incrimination has
nothing to do with this; it's purely a question of the legality of the acts
performed by Johnny Law in his sometimes overzealous pursuit of crime.

Example: Mailing someone a solicitation to purchase child pornography may
not be legal if samples are included or if the mailings continue to the
point of being legally classifiable as harrassment. Although the practice of
using police officers as decoy prostitutes to bust johns for solicitation,
the decoy must be very careful in what he/she says to avoid breaking laws on
solicitation in the process of doing the decoy thing.

Moral: if you see someone commit an illegal act while attempting to get you
to commit one, you're probably safe to do the deed; just be aware that it
may take a few years and a lot of money to get off the hook.

Jazz

This is not an official statement of The Hewlett-Packard Company. No war-
ranty is expressed or implied. The information included herein is not to be
construed as a committment on HP's part. Save a tree - disband an ISO working
group today.

Jason Zions			The Hewlett-Packard Company
Colorado Networks Division	3404 E. Harmony Road
Mail Stop 102			Ft. Collins, CO  80525  USA
jason@cnd.hp.com		(303) 229-3800
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jin@spdcc.com (Jerry Natowitz)
Subject: Re: Gevalia Kaffe Offer
Organization: Guest of Stephen Dyer Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:41:24 GMT

Little known fact: Gevalia Kaffe is a division of General Foods
International, the Maxwell House folks.
-- 
     Jerry Natowitz
     Guest user on:
ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com
UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,co.general
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Illegal telephone recording
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:53:49 GMT


In article <C16Lu9.G9n@panix.com>, eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>In <1993Jan20.172624.9115@netwise.com>, kelvin@netwise.com sez:
>
>>As I have said before, you need not tell the other party anything. 
>
>Your description is only accurate insofar as it summarizes federal
>law.  As Gordon Burditt has pointed out, state law may impose
>additional restrictions.

What if it is an interstate long distance call?  Which state law
applies?
From: musick@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Musick)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Strange call from "Franchise Tax Board"
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:56:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

My husband & I recently got a strange message on our
answering machine from someone allegedly from the
"Franchise Tax Board".  She said something like "This call
is for Ron and Emy Musick.  We are trying to locate a
neighbor of yours, a Mr. xxx (forgot).  Please call us
back @ (916)xxx-xxxx"

The Franchise Tax Board (I think) processes the state
income tax forms & stuff.  Now, supposing that this 
woman is really from the Tax Board, one would assume
she plucked our names from our state tax forms, right?
Well, my husband's formal name is Charles R. Musick, Jr.,
and that's how it's listed on our tax forms.  The way
the lady addressed us makes me think she picked our names
out of the phone book (that's how we're listed in the phone
book, because Ron is his nickname).   There's no way she
could have deduced that the middle initial "R" meant Ron.

Also, why didn't the lady just call the apt. manager.  I'm
sure they'd know a lot more about a tenant of theirs than
some "neighbor" (neither of us recognized the name of the
alledged neighbor).  FYI, we live in a large apt. complex.

In addition, (916) is a long distance number.  Why would
I pay long distance rates to help them locate someone I had
no clue about?  I think 916 IS the area code of Sacramento,
though, where the Franchise Board is located.  But that doesn't
really mean much.

My question is: has anyone else ever gotten a weird call like
this?  I'll probably call just too see what this is all about,
but unfortunately, I think the message got overwritten by other
messages on the answering machine.  I REALLY hope this isn't
some new telemarketing gimmick relating to helping you fill out
your taxes for a fee or investigating if you qualify for "unclaimed 
taxes" for a fee.  I'd be most upset if I pay long distance
charges to hear a telemarketing spiel. 8-(.

Emy Musick
musick@hera.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: etpeters@dal.mobil.com (E. T. Peterson(Eric))
Subject: Re: Stores can't "detain" shoplifters
Organization: Mobil Exploration & Producing Technical Center(MEPTEC), Dallas. 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:56:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.200538.7999@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
|> On another thread, how about those "supposedly" accurate scanners used
|> by stores to prevent shoplifting when a person leaves them.
|> 
|> Last October, I took my wife on a shopping spree for her birthday.  We
|> went to several malls and in one of them the Disney Store (looking for
|> a gift for our newborn granddaughter) had a scanner go off as we
|> entered.
|> 
|> We were confronted by the store personnel and had to take out all of the
|> merchandise in the bags we were carrying from the other stores in the
|> mall and produce receipts.  After a few minutes, we convinced them we
|> were'nt thieves since several people came into the store and without 
|> shopping bags and the beeper went off.

My company ID card sets off the scanners when I walk into stores.  I've always
thought it was pretty funny:  How can I be stealing something walking INTO the
store??

Or maybe the scanners are checking for guns, bombs, etc.??  :-)

-Eric
From: vida@crsa.bu.edu (Vida Jakabhazy)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: KitchenAids:  Where to send them for repair?
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:57:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing


Speaking of KitchenAids, could anyone suggest where I can get mine
repaired?  I bought the classic version from Caldor 2 years ago and
even back then something was not quite right with the head, but it
was barely detectable.  In the last few months the head just bobs
up and down as the arm rotates and has trouble coming out of the 
'unlocked' position.  It's not a matter of any screws that I can get 
to being loose on the head assembly.  My mother purchased hers 
(classic) 25 years ago and hers is still a *MUCH* better machine 
and has never given her a lick of trouble.  Anyway, might someone know
where I can bring this pup for service?  I'd hate to have to ship that
beast anywhere.  I'm sure whatever warranties were valied when I 
bought it have long since dried up....

Thanks,
Vida Jakabhazy
vida@crsa.bu.edu

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tff@plato.ds.boeing.com (Terry F Figurelle)
Subject: Re: PEPSI CLEAR & TAB CLEAR
Reply-To: tff@plato.ds.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:27 GMT

In article 29262@infonode.ingr.com, krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna) writes:
>Okay, it's clear that no one seems to like the new stuff.  But am I missing
>something here about it *tasting* so different?  Didn't they just ditch
>the coloring, leaving the flavor alone?  Can you identify Pepsi Clear in
>a blind taste test vs. Pepsi Unclear?

Yes, tried following:

Plastic 2 liter bottles chilled to 42F of Classic Coke, Pepsi, Crystal Pepsi,
and generic store cola. Served in 6 oz. glass with two ice cubes (pop added
first then ice cubes). Testers eat an unsalted soda craker before first drink
and between each brand (blind folded and brands in random order).

Results (ten testers):

	Question: Which do you like best?

		6 Classic Coke
		2 Pepsi
		2 generic store cola
		0 Crystal Pepsi

	Question: Which do you like least?

		7 Crystal Pepsi
		2 Pepsi
		1 generic store cola
		0 Classic Coke

	Question: Can you tell which drink is which?

		Classic Coke

			6 correctly identified
			3 misidentified it as generic cola
			1 misidentified it as Pepsi

		Pepsi

			4 correctly identified
			2 misidentified it as Coke
			4 misidentified it as generic cola
		

		generic store cola

			4 correctly identified
			4 misidentified it as Pepsi
			2 misidentified it as Coke

		Crystal Pepsi

			10 correctly identified


	Question: What do you normally drink?

		3 Classic Coke
		2 Diet Coke
		2 Pepsi
		1 Diet Pepsi
		1 Red Hook ESB (a beer, he's not fond of pop even tho' he
		  correctly identified all four brands).

---
Terry F Figurelle			Boeing Defense & Space Group
email: tff@plato.ds.boeing.com		PO BOX 3999, Mail Stop 6J-EA
phone: 206-394-3115 fax:206-394-4300	Seattle, WA 98124-2499