From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.9pnpqr
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct13.130824.26421@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <1bc9doINNrp4@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM  
>(Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:
>} HOWEVER, I am not evil by definition and CERTAINLY NOT by the skin color I
>} happened to have been born with.  I take great offense to the general nature
>} of his post and the condescending tone about the perceived inability of white
>} people to care about other peoples and the believed inability of white people
>} to grow to anything beyond tolerance.
>
>Face the real problem.  Your people enforced slavery 200 years ago and the  
>effects of that deed are STILL killing Black people in this country.  What is  
>being done about it?  What are YOU doing about it?  Are you merely enjoy the  
>comfort of being White?  How the HELL can you shout down something from your  
>ivory tower and expect me to take it as some form of edict!  If White people on  
>the whole "cared" so much, would we STILL be having this problem?
 Excuse me, but I think you need to read a little history of Africa Donald. 
Slavery was going on by blacks on blacks for thousands of years, and by whites
on whites for thousands of years.  Yes, in the Americas it becaume race 
oriented, but that does not mean that because someone today is white that they 
perpetuate the misdeeds of the past.  Granted, many do, but many do not.  
DOn't alientate your friends and the people who do care and will help. 
How can anyone shout from an ivory tower?  Only as much as you are shouting
from your obsidian tower.  Get off your guilt and hate trip already, why
don't you learn how to be a part of the solution instead of the problem.  
You could start by learning about yourself and how to deal with yourself.  
>
>} I suggest you get the enormous chip off your shoulder and try to work with
>} people instead of assuming they are against you from the outset.
>
>It's called survival.  I had that mentality at first, but I just ended up  
>looking stupid.  I now EXPECT most Whites to disappoint me.  If they don't,  
>it's a pleasant surprise.
 Well, with that attitude, you won't get many pleasant surprises.  How do 
youfeel when people don't give you the benefit of the doubt?  And now you
expect to treat other people like shit and for them to bow to you and 
respect you?  No way man, not if you paid me!  I respect people because
they deserve it.  Not becuse of their skin color.  
>
>} Now, I don't expect this post to change your mind, but I needed to write it.
>} I suppose you needed to write yours as well.  That is a shame.  Treating
>} white people with the respect and understanding you feel whites treat blacks
>} with sets us all backward.
>
>Change my mind from what?  It seems that you're so willing to flee from the  
>real problem.  I can understand why.  What do Whites have to gain from realized  
>Black equality either in soc.motss or elsewhere in this country?  Not a damn  
>thing ...
 SURVEY SAYS!  XXXXXXXX Wrong here Donald, we all have a lot to gain.  Sorry
you don't see it.  Sorry you don;t feel it. 
>
>} I suspect you do not realize or do not care that you are becoming part of the
>} problem you seem to desperately want to solve.
>
>Educate yourself.  I will not put on blinders just because my anger may offend  
>Whites who think the status quo is just fine and dandy, cozy and comfy, and  
>want me just to tag along.
 No one asked you to put on blinders.  And how does one educate oneself, 
by asking and interacting and learning and making mistakes and so on.  
You do everyoine else a disservice if you cut yourself off from everyone
else by your blatant racism against whites.  Educate yourself.  It's not
your anger that offends, it's your turning it on people who haven't done 
anything to you to deserve it.  It's how you express it, not that you 
express it.  ANd I don't think anyone here has every said they think the
status quo is just fine and dandy.  In fact I hear a lot to the contrary. 
Wak up out of your blindness.  
>
>Donald - Lucien, wherever you are, I love you.

At last, something positive.....

Flapjack
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