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From: ccwwcc@mixcom.com (Lynn-Anne Friese)
Subject: Re: Need taping advice...
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:50:28 GMT


My picks of the Turkey Day marathon would be "Master Ninja", "Lost Continent"
and "King Dinosaur".  "Viking Women and The Sea Serpent" is good, too, if
just for the short film ("The Home Economics Story") that precedes it.
I also have a fondness for "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians", but am
admittedly biased.


"Hen yu tavelin wit da Masta..." - Timothy Van Patten, "Master Ninja"
-- 
Lynn-Anne Friese
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ccwwcc@mixcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Re: Turkey Day recordings
Keywords: turkey day
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:11:15 GMT

lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery) writes:

>OK.  Here's the schedule Robert Posted...

>In article <By29yx.D1x@news.iastate.edu> bearman@iastate.edu (Robert A Denton) writes:
>>
>>Wednesday, Nov. 25:
>>
>>Thursday, Nov. 26:

>Yet, in another posting, someone mentioned taping "Crash of the Moons"
>which is supposedly a new episode.  I don't see it in the above
>schedule.  Can anybody clarify?  What is the source of the above schedule?
>I'd hate to set the VCR and miss something.

Crash of the Moons is a new episode, but it is not during the Turkey Day
marathon.  It is scheduled for the regular timeslot on Sat., Nov 28.

-- 
jspencer@world.std.com     * Jeffrey Spencer, Dartmouth '91
"I think he's completely lost his mind."
"It's okay...you don't miss what you never had in the first place."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold)
Subject: Re: A cult?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:11:26 GMT

sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper) writes:
> They kept mentioning how MST3K is a cult phonemenon (sp?). Do 
> you think we're part of a cult?!

	Maybe we should sacrifice some old Mary Tyler Moore and Mr. Ed
episodes...

	-- Steve

	"I hope she's into big-ass medallions..."
					-- Tom Servo

-- 
   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k,rec.arts.tv
From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: MST3K Postcard
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv, alt.tv.mst3k
Summary: Yes!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:47:13 GMT

In article <cis.umn.edu>, donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> In article <Ax@world.std.com> dmb@world.std.com (Deborah M Brown) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov21.141817@ece.arizona.edu> evans@ece.arizona.edu writes:
> >>Has anyone else received the MST3K postcard from Comedy Central
> >>with the schedule on it.  There is also a cool picture of
> >>Joel and the Bots on the front.  
> >
> >NO!!!  How did you manage this???  I got the CC newsletter, but no postcard.
> >
> I got my newsleter Saturday, and a friend of mine nearby got the postcard
> but no Newsletter. Be patient, they are on the way, I am sure!
> 
> 					--Judex--

I got the newsletter and postcard last Friday. The picture xeroxes quite well.

Frank
-- 
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: I'm one of the right people?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:10:03 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: chinchilla!niel@cars.com
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In article <1992Nov15.192807.26414@athena.cs.uga.edu> (alt.tv.mst3k), jordan@castor (Chucka Zulu) writes:
>I must be one of the "right people" who get MST 3K, according to Joel.  
>Hmmm.  Neat.  I can count myself among Doogie Howser, Emilio Estevez (or was
>it Charlie Sheen?), and a whole bunch of fat middle-aged TV critics!

It frightens me that Doogie is one of the right people...

>I thought the "This is MST3K" special was pretty neat, although I doubt it
>said anything that anybody who reads alt.mst.3k didn't already know.  And
>did we need to be reminded just how annoying Penn Jilette really is?

I thought it was annoyingly insufficient.  After the build-up from
the ads, it turned out to be mostly Penn trying to emulate Joel and
the boys' witticisms.  

Niel

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold)
Subject: Re: Gymkata!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:47:33 GMT

corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.060009.19723@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) writes:
>>I just noticed in the trusty TV guide that TBS is showing a movie called
>>"Gymkata" right now so I turned it on about 10 minutes ago... great movie,
>>this is.  

> I'm going to get a copy of Joe Bob Briggs' drive-in movie
> review of Gymkata and post it.  While we're at it, I'll look for
> other MST3K movies J.B. has reviewed.  They are extremely funny
> and very much in the MST style.

	!!!!!!!!!!!

	There's *another* JBB fan out there?!?!

	JBB did GYMKATA! Talk about a crossing of the genre's (sp?).
I used to take my copy of JBB Goes to the Movies w/me to the video store
to help me narrow my options.
 
	I would, however, dispute your notion that his reviews   
are very much in the MST style. They are not. JBB does an entirely differnt
set of movies from MST (as well as USA UAN with Rhonda (*sigh*)) and he does 
not (normally) ridicule them -- he treats them as the art that they are.

	However...

	I would not dispute any claim that those who enjoy MST wouldn't 
have to stretch their wrappers too far to get a big kick out of JBB. 

	Alright, we got no breasts, no blood, one beast (JBB). Heads roll
(from Rhonda not showin' anything). We got kung-fu, flame-fu, net-fu,
rhonda-fu, mst3k-fu. Three and a half stars, Joe Bob says 'Check it out.' 

	-- steve

-- 
   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Need taping advice...
Summary: Which should I tape?
Keywords: help
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:10:48 GMT

Hello there.

I'm going to be away from my VCR during Turkey day, and so I'll
only be able to set up one 8-hour tape to catch episodes. Being
a new convert to the Church of Crow, I need advice on which of
the episodes to be shown on Turkey day are the most entertaining.

I plan on taping the three new episodes - The Beatnicks, Fire Maidens
of Outer Space, and Crash of the Moons.  Could anyone who has a
spare moment email me their preference among the other Turkey Day
episodes?

  Thanks for your time,
  Jeff Spencer
-- 
jspencer@world.std.com     * Jeffrey Spencer, Dartmouth '91
"I'm well armored, though stupid" - Jack (Lalo) Griem Jr, Dec. 4,1989
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: MST3K  ratings
From: eodenius@perdita.gac.edu (Eric J O'Denius)
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:40:48 -0600
Keywords: I LIKE MST3K


I like MST3K.  So do all my friends.  We zip one-liners back and forth  
from various MST3K episodes all the time.  Our favorite is "Hercules vs.  
the Moon Men."  Every time someone injures him or herself, everyone else  
says, in unison, "DEEP HURTING."
	We were disappointed in the lack of one-liners from City Limits,  
but otherwise, we like the show.  Very much.
	You are not alone.
					A Horde Representative
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: This is MST3K opinions
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.195832.214@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>Did anyone else get the impression that they're trying to avoid
>the entire Josh Weinstein issue?
>
>-- 
>Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
>"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
>	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K

Most definately. Not one word uttered by any of the 'Bots during the 
montage of KTMA clips, and not one shot of Larry. I think they are trying
to make us forget that Dr. Forrester ever had another assisstant.
Too bad some of us can't forget!

					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Subject: Re: Devil's Tri-tone - settle a bet
Keywords: Mr B. Natural - You're hot!
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: alt.tv.mst3k
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:58:29 GMT

In article <6788@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500sws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Susan W. Stockwell) writes:
>Allright, who can settle a bet?
>
>In the short "Mr. B. Natural", you know, the 20 minute commercial
>for Conn instruments, Crow mentions playing a/the Devil's Tritone.
>
>Does anyone know for sure what this is?  I thought it was an 
>instrument, and a friend of mine says it refers to a diminished 
>fifth.  Huh?  
>
>Please respond, as this is currently driving my buggy...
>

It's been a few years, but I was taught about this in during a harmonica
lesson I was taking from a guitar player.  Anyway, it's a 3-note sequence
on the harmonica; I suppose it could be played as a chord on a keyboard or
stringed instrument.  It *sounds* evil/satanic.  A diminished fifth sounds
right (I'm blowing B-D-F on my C Hohner right now; a B-minor would be
B-D-F#) - although it's not what I remember learning, as this is simply
a draw-3 draw-4 draw-5 sequence.  I thought a bend was required in there 
somewhere, but B-D-F sounds right while B-C#-F doesn't.

What do you think, 'bots?



-- 
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mheney@access.digex.com   |  Space Activist / Entrepreneur   |  Stars, eh?
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold)
Subject: Re: MST3K Documentary: Saw it, Hated it, Taped it
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:32:34 GMT

matgress@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Matthew W Gress) writes:
> I think the show had two levels: 1) instruction for the novice viewer;        
> 2) a chance for the experts to "show thier colors".
> After 5 minutes we were ripping out one-liners at Penn (a fitting
> subject), all within the established context of Joel and the 'Bots.
> (Penn) What IS MST3K?
> (us)ooh, I'm sorry.  The catagory is "Annoying Cable Personalities".

	OOOh.... CLASSIC! You know, the really goofy thing about this 
special is that as stupid and annoying as Penn Gilette was, I LOVE him
when he's doing his Penn&Teller act. Has anyone else here seen 
'Penn and Teller get Killed'? It's quite an excellent film. It's a shame 
the folks in the booth couldn't have given PG some more interesting 
dialog or at least let him use his own style or something (let DOOGIE
host the show!!!). This ball was dropped by the head office at CC, and
there wasn't much for PG to do but go along with it (deeeeep huuuurrrrting...
DEEEEEEEEP HUUUURRRRRTTTTINNNNGGGG!). Thought I'd defend an excellent
performer despite that he went along with something this stupid...

	-- steve


-- 
   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
From: 6500sws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Susan W. Stockwell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Devil's Tri-tone - settle a bet
Keywords: Mr B. Natural - You're hot!
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:19:15 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.mst3k

Allright, who can settle a bet?

In the short "Mr. B. Natural", you know, the 20 minute commercial
for Conn instruments, Crow mentions playing a/the Devil's Tritone.

Does anyone know for sure what this is?  I thought it was an 
instrument, and a friend of mine says it refers to a diminished 
fifth.  Huh?  

Please respond, as this is currently driving my buggy...


Obmst3k quote:
"Come on and buy some crap from us,
You know that you want to,
And the white race will salute you,
As you prance and gad about!"  ("Mr. B Natural", of course)


--
Twice five syllables,                                      /\_/\
Plus seven, can't say much -- but...                      = o o =
That's haiku for you. -- Douglas Hofstadter                 /^\
======>======>======> Susan W. Stockwell 6500sws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Why I Love MST3K
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:59:52 GMT

Gee.  Where do I start?
 
I first saw MST3K when Comedy Central was created from The Comedy Channel and
HA!  We were getting HA! in Nashville, then suddenly it was CC.  I had heard
about MST3K from friends, but never really understood what it was since I
had never seen it.  I was in graduate school at Vandy, working on the disser-
tation, coming home late at night and counting the hours until my defense.
Then, one night, I came across what first appeared to be an old movie 
about a "white goddess."  I almost flipped past it, until I saw the 
silhouettes.  What were those things on the screen?  A man and two "things"
on either side.  I was fascinated.  I kept watching and suddenly it dawned
on me that THIS was MST3K.

In my solitude of graduate study, I had found a little world that was:

    1) a creative anomaly in the wasteland of standup comics

    2) made references to things I thought only I would understand

    3) lasted an entire TWO hours!

I also found, to my delight, that two threads were running: the "old"
experiments with the purple door and Dr. Earheart (and a different
sounding Servo) and the new season, which would soon embark on the
famous Gamera series!

Other odds and ends that are endearing:

   *  The tunnel of countdown doors which cambot travels to
      enter the theatre

   *  The theme song

   *  The lovable Gypsy!

   *  Scenes from Rocket No. 9

   *  Magic Voice

   *  The invention exchange

I also think the show is geared to people who REALIZE "it's just a show" and
"should really just relax!"  Reading this newsgroup is SO refreshing after
reading Start Trek groups where everyone is so uptight.  Misties will poke
fun at ANYTHING, even their own sacred cows, and have a much better time (and
lower blood pressure) doing it.  I like the fact that the show is on cable
and that it does NOT have MASS appeal.  Let's face it, people who lack
education or cultural enrichment are going to be left behind in most
experiments.

I also feel as if I am "involved" with Joel and the Bots, being forced to
watch this terrible movie and riding it out with them.  In "purple door" days,
Joel used to preface each experiment with "I'm part of a bizzare movie watching
experiment and now, I guess, so are you!"

So count me a fanatic Mistie.  I've collected about 50 experiments (or more)
and look forward to each weekend's promise of a repeat I've never seen, or
a new #400 series episode.  Get your popcorn poppin' and settle down for
two hour of Myster Science Theater 3000!

<Craig>


-- 

Craig Lowery                                            lowery@AuE.com
Math and Computer Science
Mississippi College
From: heath@anchor.as.utexas.edu (James Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Body Counts
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:20:50 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin
Originator: heath@anchor.as.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Rock Climbing FAQ
>
>				John Langbein
>-- 
	I did a body count for Terminator (I) out loud as it was being shown
at my old college auditorium.  Soon our whole section of the balcony was
chiming in along with me.  During the big "mow down the cops scene" in the
police station, I was in the 20's.  At one point, a guy with a shotgun thinks
he has the drop on the A-man.  Before he fires, I cry out "Yer Number 26, 
baybee!"  Shure 'nuff, I was right...

	A little proto-MST action from the glorious days of my misspent
youth.  The final count was in the high-30's I believe.  I gave up during
Commando, but I did count an average of one "F-word" every 15 seconds during
a five-minute sequence of Beverly Hills Cop (I).  Ya gotta admire the Chuck
Norris vehicle "Invasion USA", though:  upwards of 40 people die before
the opening credits roll!

	*Sigh* I have no life.  But then again, neither do most of you...

						JIM
						heath@anchor.as.utexas.edu

	"Who does your hair?" -- Joel Robinson, charactature artist

			"Bite me." -- Gypsy

Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k,rec.arts.tv
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: MST3K ratings?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:46:43 GMT



What sort of ratings is MST3K enjoying?  I hear it's sort of Comedy
Central's flagship show.
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: mnementh@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Villegas)
Subject: Turkey Day '91
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:26:38 GMT

Just wondering, but what was last year's Turkey day schedule?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: friedman@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: Re: Devil's Tri-tone - settle a bet
Keywords: Mr B. Natural - You're hot!
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Distribution: alt.tv.mst3k
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:46:51 GMT

In article <6788@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500sws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Susan W. Stockwell) writes:
>Allright, who can settle a bet?

Sounds like a job for...MUSIC MAN!!!  :-)

>In the short "Mr. B. Natural", you know, the 20 minute commercial
>for Conn instruments, Crow mentions playing a/the Devil's Tritone.

Yes, "Mr. B Natural", quite arguably the *best* bit of mst3k ever!

>Does anyone know for sure what this is?  I thought it was an 
>instrument, and a friend of mine says it refers to a diminished 
>fifth.  Huh?  

Well, yeah, he's right...kinda.  I guess we should get him the points
for coming close enough, though.  I'd call it more of a flatted fifth,
since a diminished reference could lead to ambiguity over whether it's
half- or fully-diminished.  But the idea's the same.

The tritone is a dissonant interval that the Catholic Church actually
*banned* for years, seeing as how it sounds "evil".  Eventually it
came to be known as the devil's tritone. (actually, "tritone" comes
from meaning "three [whole] tones", which is the distance of the
measured interval).

Likewise, the locrian mode (the seventh mode of the major scale) was
frowned upon, seeing how the tonic note and it's fifth are a tritone.
Ya just don't see much chuch music written in it (one more reason to
despise religion, in my book...).

Jazz, on the other hand, uses the mode freely... :-)

>Obmst3k quote:
>"Come on and buy some crap from us,
>You know that you want to,
>And the white race will salute you,
>As you prance and gad about!"  ("Mr. B Natural", of course)

Oooh, and how 'bout the ballad at the dance?

"We're white, we're white,
 we're really really white..."
		- Mr. B (natch :-)

Good ol' fashion Aryan-bashing!  I love it!  :-)

						- Mark

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former  "Beat poets,    "Bite me,   "My jacket! I killed
 about King Crimson."      not children."  it's fun!"  Kennedy in this jacket!"
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90   - anonymous     - MST3K     - Ron Post
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: rferris@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rebecca R Ferris)
Subject: Re: This is MST3K opinions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:39:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.043323.15511@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
 writes:
>
>
>Actually, I was kinda disappointed. I think they could have done
>with less interviews of people saying "It's totally new, I always
>watch it. My friends and I eat pancakes and watch it." And they
>should've used more behind the scenes and how they do it stuff.
>It was great to see the early clip, because I am relatively new
>to the show. I think they should've had a longer show, and not
>have made it a commercial, like it seemed. Just an opinion...
>I'm glad it was on.
>
>-Scott J. Kleper

i was disappointed, too!  i was looking forward to lotsa begind the scenes
excitement, and instead ended up with that penn and teller guy telling us
(twice!) things we all know (joel's trapped in space, he and the bots talk
through the movies).  if they had replaced him and doogie howser with more
scenes from the past, scenes of the show being developed and filmed, or
more interviews with the brains--now that would have been great.  le sigh.

on the other hand, it was really wild to see that all-too-short clip
with proto-crow and -tom!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Subject: Re: This is MST3K opinions
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:49:45 GMT

> > And since he helped to invent the show, I think it would have been
> > proper to mention him.

This is true!  To "clarify" my position, this is what I said in a piece of
email to someone else:

I don't think the omission of mention is such a sin
as you may think.  After all, the "This is MST3K" special was geared toward
the newer viewers, who never saw Josh and are probably having a hard enough
time figuring out this great, silly show as it is.  And I think it's a
general trend (though not everyone is this way) that newer viewers prefer
Frank (probably due to the mere exposure effect--they see him more).  Since
Josh isn't coming back, and the target audience of "This is MST3K" would
generally prefer Frank, I'm not surprised that they didn't mention Josh.
I don't think it's some evil conspiracy that they didn't, either.  Yes,
perhaps they should have given him a mention as one of the creators, but
I'm sure there was plenty of stuff they wanted to include but couldn't for
time reasons.  Again, I don't think it was such a big deal.

[end of excerpt]

You're right, though, in that the 
"older" viewers (as opposed to newer) would have liked to have seen something
on Josh.  But I refuse to go along with the huge "conspiracy theory."  I
prefer to think of it as moving on to better things, not dwelling in the past
...

But I prefer Frank anyway, as I'm sure you can all figure out.  :)


-- 
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