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Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 26 Aug 92
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:42:04 -0500
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     TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR NAVNEWS 037/92
   Top News and Policy Stories
NNS3.  USS Independence Communicates With World While Underway
NNS4.  CNO Addresses Key Navy Issues [*see note below] 
NNS5.  Bushey to Retire, Hagan Takes Helm as 8th MCPON
NNS6.  VA Drops Interest Rate on Home Loans 
NNS7.  VA Establishes Referral Centers for Persian Gulf Vets     
   Around the Fleet
NNS8.  Notable Quotable:  Sean O'Keefe   
NNS9.  Salute to Excellence:  Naval Dental Clinic, Camp Pendleton
NNS10. USS John L. Hall Conducts Historic Visit to Malta
NNS11. Navy CH-46 Crew Rescued Following Crash
NNS12. This Week in the Navy:  Sept. 2, 1945:  Japanese surrender
signed on board USS Missouri, Tokyo Bay.
   Personnel Notes:
NNS13. Need Money for College? -- Use "Need A Lift"
NNS14. New Course Definitions Planned
NNS15. Navy Ombudsman Day                                    
   Short Splices
NNS16. Fleet Home Town News Sends Your Stories Home
NNS17. Flag Move
NNS18. Editor's Note:  How to Use NNS
NNS19. Navy News This Week 
[*The complete text of ADM Kelso's message is available on request 
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
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Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.181257.29029@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes...
>which the tail pipe is sticking out of the ground.  A simple
>explanation would be that the photographer chose to stand at that
>particular spot, with the tail pipe at that particular angle.  It


This may be the case. I notice that the shadow of the tailpipe
is visible on the side of the car, which indicates that the
exhaust pipe is leaning toward the camera.

At any rate, I don't think I'd buy a car whose exhaust system
can come off as a unit like that. The lack of bends in it 
(except for the ones that routed it around projections on
the underside of the car) suggests that it wasn't wrenched off,
but just popped off. Incidentally, there is no sign of a
catalytic converter, either. Could it have been right next to
the engine? 
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From: ucda@toontown.uucp (Chris Andersen)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: toontown.1992Aug28.223031.23082
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Department For Doing Departmental Things

thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu writes:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Food for another thread: I have said here and in another post that the
>evidence for/against various theories of the business cycle is fairly
>weak.  However, I remember once seeing a graph that suggested that the
>amplitude of the cycles has on average been much lower since the end
>of WW II than before.  The speaker who presented this graph
>interpreted it as evidence that economists and policy makers had in
>fact learned something about business cycles since the turn of the
>century.  Comments?

The other possibility is that we're in the low point of another economic
cycle which has a regular period of between 50 and 100 years.  So, we
still have recessions, but for this 50 year period they will tend
to be small ones.  However, the next 50 years may see recessions of
increased severity.

(NOTE: I'm not proposing this as a rigorous theory.  I'm just suggesting
that there may be other reasons why the economy has calmed down in the
long range view).

Personally I think one of the long under-studied areas is the effect
that the generational cycle has on the business cycle (and other social
cycles).

-- 
Chris Andersen (..!uunet!sequent!toontown!chris)

"...the only thing worse than being hurt is being bored." -- Daniel Mocsny
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: A prediction
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:32:54 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

Here's my prediction:  Any day now, Charles Packer will announce
that upon review of the evidence, Hurricane Andrew is a hoax.

:-)

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Summary: Clarification
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:21:49 GMT
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In article <25475@castle.ed.ac.uk>, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenders writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.144615.8627@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>=>In article <1992Aug31.200824.9011@colorado.edu>, perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric
>=>S. Perlman) writes:
>=>
>=>|> Point of fact, Phill - with the
>=>|>possible exception of actions in Lebanon, all of Israel's wars have been
>=>|>defensive only.  
> 
>As long as you subscribe to the view that the best form of defence is attack.
>It's been thrashed out dozens of times how Israel instigated the '67 war, to
>mention just one example

I'm no historian, but I seem to remember that the surrounding arab 
countries had wipped themselves into a frenzy about how they were going
to destroy Isreal right before the 67' war. This is a fact.
Also there were reports of arab units crossing the Isreali border
on the day of the attack. I know that a Jordanian unit did cross
into Isreali Jeruselum, against orders. As for any other unit, even
I have to doubt it.

>=>... and in any
>=>case the US army has only won one war in history without foreign assistance 
>=>and that was against Mexico.
> 
>Hold on there, Phill, you're forgetting the glorious conquest of Grenada.
> 
And Panama.

>==================================================================
>-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
>==================================================================
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From: jmo@taylor.princeton.edu (Mike Orszag)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:01:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Aug29.220112.19149
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

One explanation for the perceived lower volatility of postwar GNP in
the U.S. and abroad is better measurement of data. Christina Romer
(1986; Journal of Political Economy) has reconstructed the postwar
data by using the same construction techniques as for prewar data
and found little difference in variance. This research is
controversial and has been challenged by among others Balke and Gordon
at Northwestern. I don't think the differences in volatility of GNP
have anything at all to do with the size of economies and there
are no theories to suggest that this should be the case.
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From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:07:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <92240.145324P88037@BARILVM.BITNET> <P88037@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>Hi!
[...]
>i also can recall an accident in my place in Russia, when mid-size truck
>was thrown 150 meters, and completely destroyed. the rear wheels (a pair
>of them) destroyed a taxi. The train was a express (moscow-bucharest),i
>think, and was going 60-70 mph!!! Poor truck driver was cut to small
>pieces, and train drivers wasvery badly injured.

In this general vein, I've seen is multiple sources descriptions of the sheer
destruction unleashed when a train hits a fuel truck of some sort, which
evidently in the earlier part of this century were fairly notorious among RR
employees for ignoring grade-crossing stop signs, running flashing crossing
signals, and the like.  As I recall, at least two sources mentioned that wisdom
among cab crew at the time was that it was safest _not_ to jump from the train,
but to stay in the cab and count on the sheer mass of the train to land the
engine and crew clear of the inevitable enormous fireball.  Seems to me that
this presumes the gasoline truck breaking in half, being thrown to the side, or
some such.  Does anyone else know anything about this?
-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM
  "Oh, you have wounded me!  I have very few prejudices, actually.  The
biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools.  That is why I have
such a low tolerance level for Libertarians."  -- Jim McMaster
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Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:19:26 EST
 <1992Aug26.130122.3753@desire.wright.edu> <1992Aug27.031854.9256@pony.Ingres.COM>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.031854.9256@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.130122.3753@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupend writes...
...
>>> 1920's	followed by the 30's.
>> 
>>	Remarkable, given that a failure of government to keep the economy
>>going resulted in the largest period of government intervention ever.  And it
>>took a World War to get us out of it.
> 
> Some of what you said made sense, but this doesn't. The economy hit bottom
> in 1932. The "New Deal" didn't go into affect until the later part of 1933.
> When I say "hit bottom", I mean unemployment and GNP.

	Hoover attempted to fix the downturn with tax hikes and regulation and
protectionist measures.

	The fact that the economy kept getting worse didn't disuade people from
thinking "just a little more of this and it will be fixed".

>>	We had a massive crash in 87 also, but the market recovered.  We had
>>bank failures in the late 80s but the market is (slowly) recovering.  It would
>>be even faster if the RTC scam hadn't been done.
> 
> I'm not sure what the RTC scam is, but I can tell you that your bank failure
> comparison is faulty. When banks went under in the early 30's ALL the 
> investors lost ALL their money, now they are at lest partially reimbursed.

	That's what the RTC scam is.  Instead of simply covering the insured
amounts (which could have been handled quite easily), Bush protected the real
estate speculators (which include 98 of his top 100 contributors) by covering
*the entire amount of their accounts*.
	Which, needless to say, FDIC/FSLIC was not designed to do.  Hence the
RTC bailout where the speculator gets money from the government to cover their
losses, and with which they promptly buy up their old properties for pennies on
the dollar.
	I said government, but of course it's the taxpayer who is funding this
little scam.

> When a large bank goes under, and thousands lose all their savings, it
> doesn't take an economist to know that there will be a significant shock
> to the local economy.
> I'm not trying to preach the wonders of the FDIC, I'm just making a 
> significant point.

	If it had just been insured amounts, FDIC/FSLIC could have covered 
it.  Compare this to what would happen if the government decided to cover
everyone's losses in the securities market....

Brett                                                      
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Photo -- clearing Bosnian mines
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:50:15 GMT

In article <23AUG199207420111@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>Apparently mines are being laid on the surface nowadays. A photo
>in the NY Times Friday, credited to "Brogi/Contrasto/Saba"
>is captioned 
>
>  "United Nations forces clearing mines last week in the town
>   of Banja Luka, Bosnia."
>
>It shows seven mines resting on a street, arrayed in a circle about
>15 feet in diameter. A soldier has picked up one mine. Another
>soldier is bending down to pick up another. The mines have 
>convenient handles for carrying.
>
>This is in accord with a story I saw last week about a the driver
>in a relief supply vehicle who, at a checkpoint, asked the
>soldiers to "clear the mines" so he could proceed, and
>they obliged.
>
>As far as I can tell, mines are not placed with signs next to
>them that say, for example, "This is a mine."

Er, this might be explained by the large number of snipers
in the region.  Clearly, the road is paved, so planting mines
in the ground would be somewhat problematic.  If the mines
are clearly visible, as they have to be on this kind of road,
the truck drivers/guards would have to get out and move them
before the convoy can proceed.  If there are snipers in the
region, these drivers/guards would be vulnerable when they are
using the ever convenient carrying handles.

Snipers may be less likely to fire on UN soldiers.

--
But this is.

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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Summary: 
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Date: 27 Aug 92 22:39:55 GMT

In article <thompson.714931542@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu    writes...
>garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
> 
>[stuff from previous posts deleted]
> 
>The "business cycle" is not a theory but rather is the phenomena
>itself.  That is, it is the observation that (for at least the past
>200 years) the level of economic activity tends to oscillate at
>irregular intervals around a (generally upward) long-run trend.
>Different macroeconomic variables oscillate differently, but the
>evidence that some kind of cyclical behavior exists is very strong.
> 
>_Why_ business cycles happen is perhaps the biggest open question in
>economics today, and has been since at least the turn of the century.
>No professional economist of whom I am aware considers the question of
>causality for business cycles to be a closed topic.  This is an area
>of great controversy and very active research within the profession,
>so it should come as no surprise that there is so much controversy and
>confusion about it among the general population.  The available data
>are inconclusive enough to support many opposing viewpoints.
>
I don't doubt for a second that the economy oscillates. All I'm saying is
that I don't think it should be a phenomena. There are reasons, and if
there wasn't so much emotionism and politicism wrapped up in economics
we could probably figure out why it oscillates, and how we can smooth
out jumps and dips. To just accept it, I think is a mistake.

>>	All these theories, and yet not a single person saw a 
>>correlation between the tax cuts and the following recessions. Amazing.

>Unfortunately, correlation does not imply causality.  Furthermore, the
>more complex the system under study, the less likely it is that
>correlation provides evidence either for or against causality.
> 
Agreed. But if the same thing happens almost every time you do something
then eventually someone is going to see a direct correlation. Unfortunantly,
I think it will be a historian researching the "late, great America."

>Food for another thread: I have said here and in another post that the
>evidence for/against various theories of the business cycle is fairly
>weak.  However, I remember once seeing a graph that suggested that the
>amplitude of the cycles has on average been much lower since the end
>of WW II than before.  The speaker who presented this graph
>interpreted it as evidence that economists and policy makers had in
>fact learned something about business cycles since the turn of the
>century.  Comments?
> 
I think it has to do with the size of the economy. Details will have 
to be put forth by someone else though. I'm not educated in economics
enough to speculate more.

>T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu

-Garrett
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Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:39:39 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> 
>A photo in the NY TImes on Monday shows a car overturned in a
>railroad grade crossing collision. The entire exhaust pipe 
>has landed separately and is standing straight up at an exact 90
>degree angle, (relative to the camera position) the front end
>driven into the dirt, the muffler in the air. This seems
>implausible. 

	F=ma

	Calculate the mass of the train, multiply it by how fast it was going,
then see what you'd look like after standing in front of it. :)

Brett
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From: brian@audiofax.com (Brian Troxell)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Photo -- clearing Bosnian mines
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: audfax.496
Organization: AudioFAX, Inc., Atlanta, GA

In article <24AUG199208180727@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>This wasn't a problem for the Mafia who killed that Sicilian official
>last April! I recall that the news accounts said something like
>they planted "several hundred pounds" explosive "under a roadway."
>I don't know whether the road was paved, though.

Come on, Packer! You're reaching now. If you had read the entire post (or
it may have been another one---it's hard to keep up with all the rebuffs
to your tired tirades), you would have realized that the mines could
have been _purposely_ placed _in_the_road_.

We'll go through it again, slowly.

	Faction A uses a lot of sniper attacks against Faction B.

	Faction A wants a lot of Faction B to be out in the open
	so their sniper attacks work.

	Faction B wants to quickly drive armored vehicles through
	possible sniper areas to avoid being out in the open.

	Faction A wants Faction B to get out of their moving armored
	vehicles, so Faction A puts mines in the roadway.

	Faction B wants to go through the area, but they cannot just
	drive over the mines as if they were normal blockages.

	Faction B must get out of their vehicles to either disarm the
	mines or move them out of the way.

	Faction A opens up with sniper fire.

Get it? This explains all your "misgivings" about the picture. Now
get a life.

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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: Boom Boom Boom Boom :)
Summary: 
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Date: 28 Aug 92 04:45:37 GMT

In article <183265@pyramid.pyramid.com>, pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com ( writes...
>In article <1992Aug27.043330.11723@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM
>(QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:

>|> 	That's right, someone with no economic schooling has just
>|> put an inflamitory post that will be sure to anger every red-blooded
>|> American. So start flaming.
>|>
> 
>I think you have plenty of economic schooling --you're a consumer, producer
>and probably and investor and owner.  Why are you trying to anger people?
>Why don't you just make your point.

I'm not trying to anger people. I'm just a little gun-shy from being 
flamed by people for little or no reason in the past. So after a little 
while you start assuming the worst and hope for the best. In this case
I was pleasently suprised. There was real discussion. BTW, I thought I 
was making a point? 

>Paul Collacchi
> 
-Garrett
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:58:10 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.033102.28965@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu
(Gary Strand) wrote:

>   Sometimes I think your average blue-collar Joe Steelworker has more sense
>   and wisdom than all the lefty intellectuals infesting academia and the
>   "elite".

Not to mention all the righty intellectuals infesting academia and the
elite.  Or the righty anti-intellectuals.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,rec.autos,rec.railroad
From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Subject: Re: Photo of grade-crossing accident
Organization: SCTC
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:25:22 GMT

adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>>[questioning of bizarre grade crossing accident scene deleted]

>Given the force of a train moving at even a slow speed, nothing that
>happened as a result of this would surprise me.  I've seen quite a few
>train/car accidents just after they happened.  And films of car/train
>accidents show pieces and parts flying everywhere.

>Do you believe ANYTHING?

My father took pictures of grade crossing accidents for a living (he
was a railroad Special Agent) and believe me, just about anything can
happen when, as they say in the business, "the race for the crossing
ended in a tie." Rapid transfers of kinetic energy can be tricky.

Earl

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