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From: martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wrist problems
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:14:33 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

>heff@apollo.HP.COM (Jeffery Oesterle) writes:
>> 
>> For a few months now, I've had variable wrist pain.  My left 
>> is worse (I'm a rightie), but both bug me.  I don't think the 
>
wanek@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wanek) responds:

>Just curious...do you use poles with straps or plastic wrap around
>grips?  If you use straps (preferred by most, including myself), do
>you have strap going over your hand, looping down and under your wrist,
>or down between your hand and the grip, looping up and over your wrist. 
>I find the second method more comfortable, especially in the bumps, 
>since I can lean on the strap and not have to grip the pole tightly.

I couldn't figure out exactly what strap usage was being described in
John's post, but here's how I was taught to use the straps, brought
to you by the miracle of ascii-vision.  
                                                             
                     / \  <-- ascii thumb               
                    /  /              
                   /  /__/+-+_____           
            --++--/     //| |_____ )         view of left hand, palm up
              ||       // | |______ )         
            __||___   //  | |______ )              
              ||   \_//___| |____ )               
              |=====//    | |               
                 ^   ^    +-+  <-- pole
                 strap    | | 
 

The thumb folds over the pole handle so that the straps come up at 
the base of the thumb/forefinger joint, and the point where the strap 
attaches to the handle faces the wrist.  Adjust strap length 
so that the handle fits in your palm without slack in the strap.  

This method transmits force to the pole through the strap, and thus 
does not require that you keep a death-grip on the handle.  
I'm not certain that it will cure the wrist pains of the original poster.


-- 
Carlos Martin     martin@morticia.Princeton.edu         =(:-) 
                  martin@icecream.Princeton.edu         <smiley with a mohawk>
                  disclaimer: don't believe everything you are told.
From: bl269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary Beth Taormina)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: CADS Skiing System
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:42:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.124235.3529
Reply-To: bl269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary Beth Taormina)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I'm looking for someone who has either heard of or tried the CADS Skiing
System.  Cads consists of two rods that hook to the boots and the back of
your pants and provides knee support for downhill skiing.  Any information
would be appreciated!
From: Jim Isbell
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:34:16 GMT
Organization: ARCO Alaska

In article <2PTyiB1w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>

>One of the big treats in teaching is to have a student who *really*
>understands where their body is and what it's doing.  I was fortunate enough
>to work with a woman who had auditioned for the American Ballet Theater (and
>blew out a knee in the audition!); she wanted to get back into skiing and to
>be able to say move in  this way and that and see it repeated after one or
>two tries was a rare experience.
>

Here, here!  After teaching for eleven years, I had an Eskimo of all things,
and on his second day of skiing and lessons was aggressively paralleling
advanced slopes.  Part was his lack of understanding that he couldn't do it,
part was natural physical strength and agility.  It is a rare and wonderful
experience when it happens.  How much of it is the result of our teaching
ability....... probably quite a bit, but it is a combination of a lot of
generally uncontrollable factors. 
>> It's had two effects on me.  One is that I ski better.  The other is
>> that I have more fun because I don't spend so much time worrying about
>> whether I am skiing better or not.  Seems the relaxeder I get, the
>> better I go.  And, the better I'm skiing, the less work it takes, which
>> makes me relax more, which is a really nice feedback loop.
>
>Ah, Grasshopper, to ski well is much like capturing a wild rabbit.  Run
>straight for the rabbit and it flees.  Make as if your goal is not to catch
>the rabbit and it is yours.
>
Some say they ski for the exercise, but why is it I can ski a two mile run down
2,800 vertical feet and have a heart and breathing rate similar to that in my
easy chair at home reading a book????  It's not for the exercise for me, it's
the challenge of NOT getting any exercise!!! i.e. achieving efficiency of
motion and physics.


Jim Isbell - Anchorage

>> -- 
>> Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
>>  P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
>
>
> | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
> | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
> | Post Office Box 180    |   "Choose to chance the rapids                  |
> | Lansdale, PA 19446 USA |    And dare to dance the tide." -- Garth Brooks |
>
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From: torii@scslwide.sony.co.jp (aiko aiko)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,alt.skate-board
Subject: need snowboard shop recommendation in LA or Canada (In ?)
Keywords: snowboard, shops, Los Angeles, Canada
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:49:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Sony Corporation, Tokyo, Japan

Hey Snowboarders,

I really got into snowboarding this season, and spent most of time snowboarding
instead of skiing.  I didn't get enuff of it here in Japan this season,  so I
decided to spend my vacation in Banff to squeeze in some more snowboarding
for this season.

I called up Lake Louise, and Sunshine Village and both don't have much
rental snowboards. I need your help. Can somebody recommend a ski shop in the
Banff/Lake Louise/Calgary area that you can buy/rent snowboards?
Or since I'm going to be in Los Angeles for a couple of days, anyone out there
know a store in the Southern California area that also carries snowboards ?

Thanx in Advance,

ken
torii@aedd.sony.co.jp
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:15:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Salomon 9000EXP opinions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> In moguls (I'm not a great mogul skier!), they
> seemed to snake their own way down and round the bumps.

Isn't that a sign that the ski is not as torsion stiff as say your Volkls ?
I have this pair of old skis that does exactly that. You point them
down the mogul field and they seem to find the right way by themselves.
By contrast when I try the same technic with stiffer slalom skis:

1) the tip usually gets violently deflected to the side.
2) I pick up speed much more quicly as the ski tends to just carve on the
   side of the mogul instead of sliding down toward the bottom.

If that's the case, you might be happy with the salomons if you do most
of your skiing in the bumps. You might find however that the ski
doesn't perform as well on the ice or on the occasional NASTAR run.

Don't you wish they had a little dial on the side of the ski that you
could set the characteristics at the top of the slope :-)

bruno.
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Conditions at Sunday River, Attitash, Wildcat ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:46:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Any feedback would be appreciated ...

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From: shaks@cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan Schachter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: How is Tuckerman's Ravine???
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:42:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cfa.1992Apr7.224249.17525
Organization: /u1/shaks/.organization


the appalachian mountain club has a bit on tuckerman's in the
current (april) issue of their bulletin.  not a lot of specific
info, unfortunately.

i was actually thinking of going up on saturday (the 11th) but i'm not
very experienced.  anyone else interested?

for the best current conditions, call pinkham notch camp at the base
of mt. washington.  they should be listed in gorham, NH.

jon
From: brown@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Brown)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:05:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Helmets
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

> 	I know that at least in Vt. and quite possibly other states as well
> there has been much talk in recent years about requiring helmets for skiers.
>
>                          [ more comments deleted ]
>
> I think that it is reasonable to have small children wear helmets, because
> they often don't realize the potential hazards of skiing, but a little
> mature judgement on the part of we adults should keep us plenty safe enough.

Here in the West most of the children who have been seriously injured or
killed while skiing have been HIT by an adult skier who was out of control.
The smaller mass of the child ensures that they will be the ones who
suffer the most when this occurs.

Anyone know of a good distributer for reasonably priced, effective
helments for child skiers?  Most of the folks in ski shops in my area 
give me an odd look when I ask if they stock these.

Thanks!
John Brown
From: europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:53:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr7.010107.17635@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, by st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu:
> I am an avid skier from Vt. I consider myself to be a good skier, and I ski
> whatever terrain is in front of me (VERY LIMITED ON THE EAST COAST) with
> no problems whatsoever. I do however know my limits. This is very important
> when skiing. It's good to approach your limits, and attempt to move them
> as your ability changes, but you always must know and remember your own, and
> your equiptment's limitations. 
> 	I know that at least in Vt. and quite possibly other states as well
> there has been much talk in recent years about requiring helmets for skiers.
> I dissagree strongly. I want to hear the opinions of other skiers on this
> issue. Here is what I think. People should be able to be their own safety 
> guards in preventing injuries.
  ... etc. etc. ....
> I don't think that it is something that will probably happen in the near
> future, but I have heard that it is a possibility. Please share your oppinions
> whether you agree or dissagree. Well I gotta go.... I was just wondering
> if this topic had stirred up any thoughts of other skiers like me.
> 
> 							Todd S.

***** The New Jersey Helmet Bill! It's Back!!!  *****
Several years ago a ski helmet bill was introduced in New Jersey.
The bill was, well let's just say, seriously flawed. 
It died in committee about a year ago. But now it's back!
It was reintroduced as (NJ) senate bill S-387 by senator
Gerald Cardinale, and is currently sitting in the NJ Commerce
Committee. It is my understanding that this bill is in the same
flawed condition as the previous bill. Hearings have not been
scheduled yet.
Now, you should all note that this bill was intended to be a model
bill, and was intended for "export" to other states.
Also note that NJ just passed a bicycle helmet law!
That's all I have for now....

Ron Capik        cbnewsh.europa
USSA Competition Liaison
New Jersey Ski Council
(and other official stuff.. )
Organization: Senior, Metallurgy and Materials Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:13:08 -0400 
From: David Kenneth Docktor <dd2q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Skiing in Switzerland in june?
	<8071@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
Distribution: usa

A recently planned trip has me in Switzerland around June 1-June 4. Since my
business is finished at that point, I was hoping to get some skiing in.
However, I have heard rumors that the ski season ends about mid-may in a
good year and this year it has been far from good...  Does anyone know
when their season is to end this year?

Thanx
David Docktor

P.S. I am going to be in Zurich

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas)
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:07:34 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1340246@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
>In rec.skiing, sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>
>> On the other hand, I have personally obsererved skiers either intoxicated
>> (alcohol primarily) or very clearly unable to safely negotiate terrain and
>> had virtually no power to alter the situation.  
>
> Hmm...an interesting point. Are you indicating that the area is partially
> responsible since they (may have) sold the alchohol?  Isn't this similar
> to holding a bar liable for somebody getting in a wreck while DWI? How
> about the liquor stores? Are they responsible for people's actions after
> they consume that bottle of wine?

Utah has a law (referred to as the Dram Shop Law) which holds the server
of alcohol liable for some of the consequences.  If you have a guest at
your party and you serve him enough liquor to get him drunk, then let him
go out and drive, you can be sued for damages by the victim of his drunk
driving.  This law has been a big help in holding down drunk driving.
As far as I know it could be applied equally well to drunk skiing.

-- Walt
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: Re: Alaskan Heliskiing
Reply-To: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:33:18 GMT

Jim Isbell writes:

>I had forgotten why I loved it so much...
>                                                             ...A very
>big part of all of this is the knowledge that up there you can point in most
>directions and know without a bit of doubt that there isn't, hasn't and won't
>be a human or a road or a trace of civilization for hundreds if not thousands
>of miles.  Pure, untouched, abject wilderness that can easily swallow you up
>and will most certainly erase all signs of your passing long before your
>memories begin to fade.

Sounds wonderful.

Does it bother you entering this country in a helicopter?  It seems
to me that the helicopter would diminish the experience somewhat.
Certainly it would diminish the experience for someone who had
reached the country on foot.  Do people who have heli-skied (or
heli-hiked) ever have doubts about the practice?

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Lowell Skoog  M/S 223B                             lowell@tc.fluke.COM
John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc. {uunet,uw-beaver,microsoft,sun}!fluke!lowell
P.O. Box 9090
Everett, WA, USA  98206-9090                            (206) 356-5283
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re: Frozen Northeast
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:45:16 GMT

Maine got more snow last night. My house in SW Maine got about 6", but
Sugarloaf only got 3". HOWEVER - they've extended the season at the
Loaf until Apr.26, and are considering extending it even longer given
all the snow they've gotten. They'll decide on Monday and I'll let ya
know. 100% of the mountain is open (snowfields included). And I was
going to spend Easter with my inlaws :->

                                        Not!
                                            jc
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Avalanche death in Utah
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:47:03 GMT

klaus@captain-crunch.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers) writes:
>The man was DOA after a life flight to SLC. I heard he had died of the
>trauma of the slide, not suffocation or exposure.

Disclaimer -- 3rd hand info: 

I have since heard that it was described as "cardiac arrest" at the
hospital, & whether it was suffocation or trauma that was the major
contributor is speculative.  After being carried as far as he was
including over a 25'(?) or so cliff & being buried some 7' deep, I'd
expect there to be a fair amount of trauma as well.

BTW, Bruce Tremper (spelling?) of the F.S. avalanche forecasters will
give a talk on the LaSalle's incident (& possibly this incident as
well) at 7:30pm, Thursday April 9, in the UofU Behavioral Sciences
auditorium.


-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: How Do They Build Moguls?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 23:20:41 GMT

In article <574@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>Is it my imagination or are moguls alot smaller than they were in the 70's?
>Maybe it's just that I'm a better skiier and they seem smaller.  Or
>the trend twoards longer skiis in the eighties made them smaller.  

Longer skis tend to make them more uniform, less chopped.  Certainly not
smaller.  (I'm talking total volume here, if you're talking absolute
height, chopped moguls might win although they tend to be smaller overall)

>Or that snowboarders actually do a pretty good job of trimming them down
>here in the 90's.  Or all of the above.

My guess would be that there's a lot more frequent grooming done these 
days.  Also with improvement in skis and style, I'd postulate that people 
are skiing them much faster on average, and this should make a difference, 
if my inference engine is working right.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:25:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Followup on moving from intermediate to expert skiing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> Take a look at the Olympic bumps comp, and look at the range of styles.

I haven't taped the Olympics so I can't comment on them. (I think that by the
time they broadcasted the event I was so pissed with the CBS coverage that I
didn't even bother turning the TV on :-)

I did tape several Bud Pro Mogul Tour event this year though.
At the one that took part at A-bassin the slope was 32 degrees at the 
top and 38 degrees at the bottom.

The only time where I can see racers' knees hit their chest is when 
they were getting way out of control.

Usually it went this way:

Start with very quick turns, skis on the snow most of the time.
Pick up speed. At this point they start to get slightly air born
from bump to bump. Still look very smooth. Still no knees in the chest.

For some of them, get even more speed, start getting out of control
and "smash" into the next moguls. Knees in the chest, upper body 
collapsing, arms all over the place. Do that for X moguls in a row until
either recover and go back to being smooth, or get even more out 
of control and crash...

As for scoring, the ones with the knees in the chest got lower scores
in the turn category. Sometimes they made it up in the speed category,
sometimes not.

If you want to see what I call "great" bump technique try to rent
"Into the snow zone" from RAP production. You'll see Nelson Charmichael
and Cooper Shell (sp?) at Snowbird. Incredible foot/knee speed and 
smoothness. 
I even thought at one point that they were running the film at a faster
speed than what they taped it at. Here again, you don't see the knees
hitting the chest.

Another good bump video is in Greg Stump "maltese flamingo". 
In one of the sequence they contrast the style of the American bumpers 
(try to keep the tip of the skis on the ground as much as possible) to 
the style of the french bumpers (looks like they do most of the run with 
only the part of the ski from the boot to the tail touching the snow.)
I forgot who the American was. The French guy was Eric Berton who had won
the world World championship the year they taped the movie.

bruno.







Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
>   i got mine at REI.  i don't remember the brand name, but they are swiss
> i think.  they work well, but on ice they telescope down!  very annoying!
>

IMHO, the only adjustable poles to have are the ones with push buttons.  I've
had a pair of Ramers now for...8 years?  They've never slipped.  

All I hear from my friends who have the "twist and tighten" kind are 
whining about them slipping, freezing, can't grip them with my mittons on...

John
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Another Death at Mt. Snow, Vt.
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:01:41 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Apr6.141443.27819@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> larocque@balltown.cma.com (Dave Larocque) writes:
>
>The ironic thing about the first two deaths at Mt. Snow was that
>both of the victims were accomplished skiers skiing on the edges
>of easy slopes.  They apparently lost control and went into the 
>trees.                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nothing ironic or surprising about this.  I think I once posted about the 
expert skier killed at Cannonsburg Ski Area outside Grand Rapids, Michigan. 
Never heard of it?  It is only about 150 feet of vertical and its black 
diamond rivals some of the best blues out there.  He was killed when racing 
a friend down an intermediate (really a green cruiser) run, and falling 
headfirst into a lift tower after the two of them somehow collided or 
interfered with one another.  

There is a reason for the skier responsibility code, but this goes beyond 
that.  One is more cautious on KT22 or the Ridges at Taos because you know 
there is danger.  Reckless abandon on a "safe" slope can be dangerous too.  

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : skiing on ice
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:53:09 GMT

.
>Do you people really try these things?  Sounds like an awful lot to remember.   
    Only at first IMO. When I'm skiing ice, for example I try to concentrate 
on a good carve and finishing my turns. I know what these two things should
feel like in terms of the amount of pressure I'm feeling on my shin, body
position, gforce, etc. and I do try to stay aware of these things, but it's
not like "Oh god let's see, there's ice that means I should do this or that".
It's just an awareness of your skiing, just like being aware that your skiis
keep contact with the snow in bumps or how your weight is distributed in
powder.