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From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 24 Aug 92 20:47:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
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Clive Grace (cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:
>[...]
>Hands up those of you who can read JPEGs

Yup: no problem.
>
>Whoever wants to set up the goddamn ftp site had better tell me soon 
>though, the images are currently languishing in our fileserver at work 
>in a directory I'm not supposed to have ;-) and I hear Goliath:SYS getting 
>ready to proclaim "Almost out of disk space" soon...

And I'm getting impatient waiting to see the bits of the party I missed
:-) 

>Clive

Paul
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:02:36 GMT


Lori Cotton writes:
> Well, I came out to my dearest love, my husband to be exact and it 
> backfired.  See it all started when we first started dating, I told him
> I was bisexual and he said great, no problem.  (He was assuming that I would
> always bring my friend home and he would get to join in.)  A year 
> later I gave him a "what if..."  What if I found someone and this person
> didn't want to share?  He again said no problem, great!  Well, three years
> later I did meet someone who didn't want to share and my husband had a 
> rough time with it.  Now, we had an open marriage.  He got to go out and
> meet, and date, and well whatever else.  After a few months of seeing my
> girlfriend my husband decides to get angry with the situation.  He 
> unfortunately started drinking heavily and our arguments started getting
> more violent.  I just recently left him and moved in with my SO, Stacy.
> I'm happier than I've ever been and my daughter is too.  (Being a five
> year old she understood the tension in the house and is relieved that it's 
> over and loves Stacy to death!)

Interesting story... I'm just entering into a similar situation.  My wife
is currently becoming quite involved with another woman (we already have 
an open marriage).  I hope our situation works out a little better.

> Because this happened recently, I still feel really guilty about leaving
> my husband (he had to move back in with his mother, he's 25, I'm 29 and
> the bread winner).  

Don't feel guilty, you had to do what was right for you.  Better that you
live in an environment that you can grow in, than one that stagnates you
(IMHO).

> I guess sometimes when I put my happiness in front
> of others I feel bad. 

A lot of people get these feelings... often creating terrible relationships
because neither is willing to leave for fear of hurting the other.  My
grandmother used to say, "You're the only one responsible for your happiness."
[But then again, she also told me the only thing I should put in my ear is my
elbow.] ;)

> Anyone out there have any kind words or hugs, or
> anything else they want to give me ;^)

BBH!  (Big Bear Hugs)

> Thanx for listening!

Thanks for talking (typing). :)

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 01 Sep 92 05:05:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
> So, Sara, when do I get my little mercy package of proper chocolate.

> Although Fiona expertly sniffed out some Cadburys Flakes (made in
> Coolock, Dublin, Ireland <sniff> homesickness..) a couple of days ago,
> so I guess the need is not so urgent. 

I spent a year working in Coolock between the Cadbury's factory
and the Tayto's crisp (potato chip) factory.  When the wind was
blowing from either of the factories, the smell could be
nauseating.  I still like Cadbury's chocolate and Tayto
crisps---I just don't like being anywhere near the factories.

I once asked a visiting friend to bring me a couple of bars of
Cadbury's Dairy Milk from Ireland.  He arrived with a box of
three dozen bars.  I still haven't managed to eat them all.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 00:35:32 GMT

h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>>h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
>>>libertarians and the socialists.  They'd agree on human rights issues
>>>and duke it out over economic ones.  
>>
>>Unfortunately, most socialists believe that human rights and economic
>>issues are inextricably linked.  E.g. there's no advantage in abortions
>>being legal if you Have to pay for them and you can't afford it.  So
>>the two parties wouldn't necessarily agree qfter all.
>>
>>Dave.
>
>I guess what I had in mind was that the two parties would agree that
>abortions should be legal, but then they'd argue about whether there
>should be national health insurance, etc.  You're right that a right
>to an abortion don't mean shit if you can't pay for it.

Gosh, the first time I haven't trimmed an article. You're too damn' concise,
you two (oh, and a belated Welcome Back to Dave).

If you can't afford an abortion, how're you going to afford a baby? I think
I'd take out abortion insurance very fast in a liberated world. Abortion
makes economic sense, and this world is pretty overfull as it is.

Tanaqui, bad at abortion arguments because she won't have children ...
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Objectification (was Re: Sexual Harassment)
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:10:02 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep03.175940.20454@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>[Not a bi man, but i want to reply anyway...]
>Seems that the main change in how i look at people has come about after 
>having been in situations where i _could_ have sex with anyone in the 
>room, simply by asking (or looking so baby-dyke adorable that i get asked).

That last parenthetical claim would be outrageous, if it wasn't
so clearly true that you are capable of it ;-)

OK, so I miss San Francisco ... well, let me be more specific.  I miss
Coe and Ellen's hot-tub.  Those two can be such softies when faced
with a tale of woe; I could probably relate my current NY blues, and they'd
mail me their hot-tub for me to soak my weary legs in.  Well, OK, so
that's not true.  Wouldn't be the same without the company, anyway ...

Mike, far away in body and mind
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:09:50 GMT
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In article <37436@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> (soc.bi), jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.203408.8207@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
> +
> +   What can I say?  Have the Republicans decided that queerfolk are
> +*really *stupid and will happily give them all of our money before
> +they sent the purity police around to relocate us to the new "family
> +values" deathcamps?  Or do they think that nobody but the most knee-

Politicians are firm believers in the saying "hope springs eternal" and
it sure seems as if they believe that we are all fools.  
> 
(Negative, but accurate opinions about the Republicans deleted for brevity)
> But then there's the Democrats who may eventually live down their
> party's support for slavery. But with the recent 'labor is a
> non-issue except to get votes' attitude, they may just as well be
> Republicans, maybe republocrats or democans.

All of which convinces me that it is time to start voting for the small
third parties.  Both the Democrats and Republicans seem to have lost
sight of the fact that this country does not operate on the bases of a
two party system.  There were political parties before them and there
will be political parties after they are dead and gone.  

I've heard people say that the third parties have no chance of winning
the elections so why "throw" away your vote.  Of course, they have no
chance if no one votes for them because they have no chance.  At the
very least you will send a message to the two major parties that you
are not happy with either of them.  At best, well third parties
candidates have won office recently.  Take a close look at the parties
available to you, and vote for one that represents what you believe. 
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
> -- 
> 
> John Clark
> jclark@ucsd.edu
> 

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From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:27:42 GMT

slh7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Suzanne Lacroix Hurley) writes:


>Muffy, the reasons why are too numerous to discuss here.
>Suffice it to say that the people who belong to BCA like it
>better that way.  Duogamy is a relationship with two
>people, ususally one of each sex. If you'd like to learn more,
>write Robyn Margolis at BCA.  She'd love to discuss it with you
>further.   

I would certainly be interested to see it discussed more here.
Does anybody else have any information.

Does this notion of duogamy particularly involving partners of
both sex reinforce the notion that bi's need to have both sexes to
be satisfied.

If duogamy why not polyamory, I just don't get it.

Muffy if you do write Roby Margolis please let us know what she says.

Iseult.
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <43024@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
>>libertarians and the socialists.  They'd agree on human rights issues
>>and duke it out over economic ones.  
>
>Unfortunately, most socialists believe that human rights and economic
>issues are inextricably linked.  E.g. there's no advantage in abortions
>being legal if you Have to pay for them and you can't afford it.  So
>the two parties wouldn't necessarily agree qfter all.
>
>Dave.

I guess what I had in mind was that the two parties would agree that
abortions should be legal, but then they'd argue about whether there
should be national health insurance, etc.  You're right that a right
to an abortion don't mean shit if you can't pay for it.


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:11:54 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

>Nothing is innocuous when Tanaqui gets hold of it---I don't know anyone who
>can cram more cynical indecency into one sentence...

I agree about the former, but as to the latter, *no* - not cynical
indecency, not at all, just perfectly and naturally indecent indecency.

>The only *serious* problem in shopping for eats in the USA is the dearth of
>edible chocolate. Nestle's is sorta OK, Cadbury's can be found (but tastes

Yes yes yes!

>nothing like ours), Hershey's is probably the worst I have ever tasted (the
>old Kisses trick is *much* better done with Leonidas Cherry Liqueurs) and
>Ghirardelli's is superb but not sold everywhere. Plenty of specialist choc

But even Girardelli's isn't as good as English, Swiss or Scottish* chocolate.

Sara

* Duncan's of Powderhall - yum!
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 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:25:36 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug22.183347.192047@zeus.calpoly.edu>
cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:

>And yes, every step in coming out is courageous compared to those who
>don't come out.  So besides feeling happy, you can feel brave :^)

I'm beginning to feel sheepish and closeted again - I haven't told anybody
for nearly two weeks. Indeed I've only told one person who isn't on soc.bi
(actually I think he posted about my cycling shorts while I was on holiday),
and I knew he'd be OK anyway. I'm putting things on ice until after Norwich,
but after that I have to move forward or stagnate. Trouble is, next step is
to tell close friends and/or family. Close friends (do I have any?) seems
best, but then the guy I share a house with will find out and I don't think
he'll relish the knowledge that he's sharing a house with a bisexual
tranvestite. I mean, what will the neighbours think? :-). Seriously, I'll
probably wait until I have a place of my own, which will take anything from
weeks to years. I'm starting to feel depressed again,

Owen.
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:56:38 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug25.105010.49544@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie
(Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

>Anyway, I *like* the differences in naming, it makes life interesting. Like
>the old one about Durex (a brand of condom here, a brand of adhesive tape in
>Australia)

Have you heard the Jasper Carrot sketch? Sheer brilliance:

A big burly australian guy goes into a shop in the UK, and says in a
loud voice "G'day, roll 'o durex mate; giant size". Stunned silence.
Then the shop keeper says in a quiet, incredulous voice "A roll?".

Well it was funny when I saw it on TV.

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Alien Attitudes?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:44:59 GMT

In article <Ieb5lja00WB4MKaIxs@andrew.cmu.edu>
     ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:

>One of the things that I've been thinking about recently is something that
>bisexuality, or perhaps more accurately polyamory, and furriness have in
>common: the attitudes involved are *so* utterly alien to most people that
>they literally can't conceive how people could hold them; they can't even
>be brought to begin to grasp the concepts involved.

   It's a challenge to get through to them.  Trying to draw parallels
sometimes works.  But one of the things you're trying to do when coming
educate about bisexuality is the issue of dualism and seperatism.
There's a lifetime of cultural programming, backed up by everyone
else's programming, and backed up further by centuries of similar
attitude.

>What worries me more is that things also seem to be working the other
>way, that I'm so entrenched in my current attitudes that I have a hard
>time really understanding *theirs*.  Has anyone else ever really
>noticed this?

   Well, to be honest, I'm not sure I want to understand where they're
coming from.  I have accepted what they think as their set paradigms;
my wish is to have the tools at my disposal to at least talk to them on
their level.

   But I have to remember that there was a time when I thought like
them.  And there are still people who I put into the kinds of
categories other would put us.  Unfortunately, these aren't very nice
people (IMHO) in those categories (rapists and child molesters), but
they give me an understanding of the feelings these people might have.

>                             Steven Stadnicki

      Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:16:22 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:

[Edinburgh closest bi group to Newcastle?]

+> Aha no! We are starting a bi group right here in Newcastle; Gerbil and
+> I went along to the inaugural meeting the other week. :-b

Oh, say hi to her. I never see her on any of the machines we have in common
(three, I think) now... is she busy working on that degree thing?

Tanaqui
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: OUT!
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:26:47 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)

>
>Hello, John.  Reading your post, I was nodding my head in recognition of
>some of the stuff I've gone through and am going through.  I was
>looking for an excuse to demuffin also, and...OHMYGOD, what have I done?
>--
>Bill Irion    fwi@cco.caltech.edu
>"Good manners and bad breath will get you nowhere" - Elvis Costello

Hey Bill!!!

Nice to see you finally made it!  c(-8

*hug*

Daemon
-- 
+ D.C.X. Ferguson, "Daemon"          Industry, Science & Technology Canada   +
+ grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca          Policy Sector                           +
+                                    Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA                 +
+        No tax dollars were expended to bring you this message              +
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:52:06 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>not ot of character. Of course one could blame the language for
>being poverty stricken in regard to sex, love, and plumbing
>references.

I can't agree with that; I mean we have "pipe" and "wrench" and "washer"
and "s-bend" and "u-bend" and lots lots more ...

Sara
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 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
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 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A de-muffinning, and a coming out
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:21:10 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <17dn2tINNq0b@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.105845.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> ->	I *love* asking questions!  How do you feel about...ooops,
> ->maybe I should ask if the net.dungeon is free.  <Looks at schedule on
> ->wall>  Darn!  Looks like it's temporarily closed for repairs.  Wonder
> ->what happened? <wink, wink>
> ->	(Can everyone tell I'm feeling much better this week?)
> 
> *laugh* One of these days I'll write a daemon that will automatically mark
> articles with the word "dungeon" anywhere in them.
	Good!  Will you send it to me? :)

> Matt, for the uninitiated (like me :) is not flirting with Steve.  Nope.
> Not at all.  
	Oh no!  I'm usually more subdued when I'm flirting! :)
	(Can everyone tell I'm *still* feeling good?)

> Well too bad!! I got to flirt with him first!! Much earlier!! So there!!
	Roy...can't we share people?  Do I need to clear the dungeon
schedule?

> -><Turns to Steven, his blue-green eyes sparkling>  You get the first
> ->choice--of whatever you want...er, the net.addition!  (Gosh, I do come
> ->on strong with the new ones, don't I?  But that's the job of the
> ->greeter! <grin>)
> 
> Gee, you didn't greet *me* as enthusiastically ... did you happen to know
> what Steve look like, or did you take a lucky guess? :)
	You mean the blue-green eyes?  Does he have them too?  I was
talking about my eyes, but hey, I'm not choosy....
	And, as for you, Roy, you probably came on while I was on
vacation from this little terminal of mine.  We college students *are*
able to go away for awhile, if we want to!  Besides, I had to add some
entries to my travel diary...some adventures to read on a rainy day
when I don't have anyone (but I will take offers!). 
	Want a greeting?  Let me clear this corner of the
net.room...ah, that's better.  Anybody using Peg's couch?  Well, then
it's mine for the moment!
	Come on over, Roy <seductive smile and all>... ;)

> How about a hot tub, if one doesn't exist yet?
	Good idea...what else?  Anybody?  Do I have to coerce you all?
(Gosh, I guess I wouldn't mind that....)
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:06:23 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...

A sale??  What do they mean bi having a sale *after* I've left?

Grouch, grump.

Sara
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 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp