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>soc.culture.hongkong / hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) /  8:36 am  Nov 10, 1992 /

>What an exciting and scary story about that KCR commerical!  Just wonder:
>How come the real-life Chinese ghost stories are used to be so disgusting and
>evil?  I mean, a kid puking blood in a forest?????
In general, Chinese ghost stories are more materialise. So blood, half the
body are very usual. Two stories I heard. 1. A man saw a woman walked into
a toilet but really, there are nobody. 2. A woman saw the upper half of a
woman hovering.

>How come we used to describe (and think of) Chinese ghosts are disgustingly
>disfigured macabre fooling around for their next prey?  I mean, if there is
>an afterlife, why it has to be that scary?  Why it is so evil?

>It is quite a contrast to the Westerners, who describe the afterlife is 
>full of peace and comfort.  Most Westerners' stories about encounters with 
>ghosts are very transquil:  Just a faint white cloud of image floating in the 
>air, no blood, no slim, etc.  But Chinese!  My gosh!  Spagetti, anyone?

I suggest you a book - Nao Tshi. There are a lot of beautiful ghosts described
there.

>Is it because the way we see ghosts are really depend on our inner minds, that
>most Chinese are disturbed (by supersitutions? stress?) deep under?  Is it 
>because of our religions?  Does this kind of scary images make a number of
>Chinese believe in Christanity (in which the God looks more human and 
>socialable than the Gods in many Asian religions)?  

It is only because in Chinese believe, only the bad ghost would left in this
world, all good ghost are led away by ghost police. (bad ghost means whoese
dead in hate, unwilling etc, i.e. They still want to do something)

>Have the people in America notice that there is a complete contrast between
>an American funeral home and a Chinese funeral home?  How could that be?
>One's playing peaceful organ music and choral, the other used to have
>a bunch of monks screaming at their snapping pitch, with tear-blasting Chinese
                  ^^^^^^^^^
I think most of time, they are just singing something in low pitch, which 
make you sleeping. Most of the screaming came from the relatives.

>cornet all over your ears?

>May be the Holy Creator discrimates against Chinese???  :-)

Because the afterlife world of us are so materialised. Western religion never
tell you what the hell look like. But for Chinese, there is a detail 
descripition in the Monkey King Story.

>- Louis

Have fun.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Listen to the Cantonese Songs on a Mac!
Keywords: Mac, sound
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:32:59 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

pang@fraser.sfu.ca (Dave Ng) writes:

>I can't find any "Get Info window" within the program and in Control Panel.
>I quit all other applications and restart my Mac but still doesn't work.
>I only know that the size of macho.wav is 386K and the Available Memory 
>showed in SoundExtractor is 356K. 

Try clicking on the icon once, and hit command-i.  (Command is the funny
key which has an apple logo on it).  That should bring up the info window.

>I checked the RAM. System Software takes 1679K memory.
>SoundExtractor takes 384K and 2023K is unused.

Sometimes Macs have a big problem allocating memory.  Macs doesn't do what
I would call "dynamic memory allocation."  In other words, Macs tend to
allocate exactly the amount of memory a process/program asks for... no
more and no less.  If the program (in this case, SoundExtractor) only allocates
300K for sound, yet your sound file is >300kb, you are out of luck.

I think you can increase the amount of memory allocated in the info window.  
I also remember vaguely that a PD/shareware program allows you to do the same
thing.  Since I dont know much about Macs, I suggest you to consult 
people on comp.sys.mac.misc

>What's wrong.

>Ki-pang Ng
>internet: pang@sfu.ca

Good luck.  BTW, I suspect there is a program called "sox" which should
let you convert sound files from one format to another.  Try and see if
you can find it.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hk782690@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Mansheung Fung)
Subject:  Chow Sing Chi's GIF
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:57:01 GMT



  Would someone please re-post the Chow Sing Chi's GIFS or upload them to
the FTP site ??

Thank you
From: yingtsui@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Ying Ying TSUI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Need Help from USA
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:35:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

Hello the Kindest Person who is reading this news!

Well, I am a student from Melbourne University, Melbourne, Australia.
I am from Hong Kong as well.  I have been trying to contact my friend who is studying in New York State University(SUNY), Albany Campus.
If you know the email address of that uni, please give me a reply.
I will really appreciate any sort of help!!!

Thanks Man!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Help me access network in HK
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:57:32 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Originator: raymond@jupiter

I am going back to HK on Tuesday (Nov 10). While I am in HK,
I wish to keep in contact with folks here. Is there any
HK folks here who can let me send message through them?
Or is there any other way?


-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 09:30:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Too bad...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard CCSY-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

soc.culture.hongkong / ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu) /  2:45 pm  Oct 31, 1992 /

>do you know what you are talking about?  what do you mean by "which variable
>within what"?  are you talking about the binding of the variables?  i think
>this is the correct word to use if you intended to say that.

Sorry if I used the wrong terms, anyway, it was 11 years ago.

>to correctly bind the variables, you just need to balance the parenthesis
>correctly.  as i said, there are many editors that will help you balancing
>parenthesis, so there is no need to use a ruler anymore.

>by the way, do you know how to do the VI editor on UNIX?  before you edit
>your scheme or lisp program, create a file called .exrc in the directory
>in which you are going to do the editing in.  the .exrc file should contain
>a line like this:

We were not allowed to use vi because our pdp-11 was not powerful enough. I
used ed.

>set ai lisp

>and then use the -l option to start vi editor.

>if you think this is too complicated, you can try emacs, epoch, etc.

>if you don't have access to UNIX, you can use DEMACS or xlispstat editor.

>or you can use PC Scheme EDWIN and it does an excellent job on indentation
>and paren balancing.

>pete

>----------

Thank you, I don't use LISP anymore (no thanks).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Frandanla)
Subject: Re: Commerical by KCR
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:08:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.163352.17567@news.cs.indiana.edu> <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <BxKCpw.621@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> hsilew@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Guess Who???) writes:
>>Does anybody think that's possible for the director of the commercial make  up
>>the whole story in order to arouse attention???  If this is the reason behind
>>why this rumour come up, the director has made his great success and make
>>the commercial really VERY successful!!! 
>>
>>H.S.I. Lew
>>University of Waterloo, Canada
>
>No, I don't think so.  As an advertising major, I think it only hurts KCR's
>image.  People may think KCR is not "clean" and avoid to take KCR and "touch"
>those kind of thing.  KCR may need to spend more money on promotion to "clear"
>their image. I don't see making up such story will do any good to KCR.
>
>Julia
>
>

Just a thought come up to my mind after reading this

So, it MIGHT be because someone want to give KCR bad name?

btw, don't quote me on this


Fran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Re: Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:10:00 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <6130182@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>>soc.culture.hongkong / chris@ng.austin.ibm.com / 11:14 pm  Nov  5, 1992 /
>
>both passport. The nationality act of Britian is very complicate. But 
>basically, you need to live in UK (for real British Subject) or Colonies
>like Hong Kong (for faked British Subject) for some years (five for a 
>Hong Konger to register as UKer). Being born in UK or HK then natualisation
>to US citizenship should have no effect or even bad effect.

Live in HK for 7 years legally makes one eligible to apply for residency.
However, if you are not naturally born in HK, you would not be eligible
to apply for a so called BNO or BDTC passport.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hk782690@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Mansheung Fung)
Subject: test
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:07:52 GMT



This is just a test!!
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: alright! another paradox fan!
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:21:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

root@shearson.com (Operator) writes:

>yes! another paradox fan! the are the best duo i've ever have the pleasure of
>listening to. imho, echo, face to face just don't compare. 

>btw what is the story with that group ? it seems that on the last two albums 
>yvonne has been going solo. could someone enlighten me please ?

Last I heard, Erica emigrated to Canada.  Don't know the entire story 
though... I wasn't in Hong Kong when that happened.  I do know she likes to
travel though.  She once submited an article to Sing Tao Daily (as a columnist)
and wrote how one (in particular, she) could learn more about a place
simply by staying away from it for awhile.  

Frankly, I was slightly disappointed when I saw the cover of Yvonne's
tape.  I just hope she will retain Paradox's image.  

BTW, did you read the books Erica wrote about how Paradox was formed, their
experiences at CUHK, etc.?  I think she says Yvonne is the one who 
really loves to sing.  She (Erica) is more interested in drama.

Don't know... If I get a chance, I would like to sit down and ask them
about some of their lyrics.  I couldn't grasp the meaning of
some of their lyrics.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:41:38 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <wcA=G++@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.140056.44507@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>HA, other than sex, what else do they want?   Please read all other Re:Vivian
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I would like to hear from you eduacated fellow WHAT MAKE YOU FEEL THIS WAY.
> SHOW ME SOLID EVIDENCE!  QUOTE IT!  NOW!
> 
>>Chow messages. You will see what I mean!  About the language I use, I think it
> 					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>is recreational. :-> Very recreational!  If you can't take it, beat it!
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
> 
> Would you mind telling me what should I do to give you and U. of Kansas a
> little bit more respect?  Thanks a lot for your kind assistance.  :-)
> 
> - Louis

I am sorry for telling you that a lot of nice people in The university of
Kansas.
Certainly, I am not one of those.  I am not worth a thing.  Compared to the
universe, I am just some dust floating in the air.   You don't have to respect
me or my opinions, but you can't say all people from KU are like me or think
like me!  In this case, you can't go from specific to general.  I am the worst
in KU.  It doesn't mean all KU students are as bad as I am.  No way!
 

> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ivab015@chpc.utexas.edu (Albert Wu)
Subject: Is HK Dominated by VMS ?
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:51:31 GMT


I have heard that the universities and polytechnics in HK are dominated
by VMS machines.  Is that true ?  Is UNIX gaining grounds in time ?
From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Commerical by KCR
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:33:43 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <BxKCpw.621@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> hsilew@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Guess Who???) writes:
>Does anybody think that's possible for the director of the commercial make  up
>the whole story in order to arouse attention???  If this is the reason behind
>why this rumour come up, the director has made his great success and make
>the commercial really VERY successful!!! 
>
>H.S.I. Lew
>University of Waterloo, Canada

No, I don't think so.  As an advertising major, I think it only hurts KCR's
image.  People may think KCR is not "clean" and avoid to take KCR and "touch"
those kind of thing.  KCR may need to spend more money on promotion to "clear"
their image. I don't see making up such story will do any good to KCR.

Julia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: About the Commercial....
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:10:00 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov11.192215.1@cmcvx1.claremont.edu> ptsai@cmcvx1.claremont.edu writes:
>for those in HK, so did you guys see the special EYT or 60min+ show about the
>commercial of KCR? did they make any concrete conclusions? or did they already
>tell everyone that it was just a holloween joke?
>thanx in advance
>BusterR!
>

If that's only a Halloween joke, the guy who made the story up should be 
boarded in public.  You know, I guess many girls are scared.

- Louis
From: Samson.Luk@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Samson Luk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Fido nodes in HK
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:22:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 > echomail (newsgroup), they won't charge you.  (Although I don't know
 > which bbs other than Samson Luk's will get the feed)

All BBSs in HongKong can get the feed from 6:700/1 (or it's downlinks) for
newsgroups bringing in from the Usenet via AT&T.   For personal e-mails to
Internet or overseas FidoNet, we charge our users @HK$2.5 per message.  Our
system has direct connection to the FidoNet/Internet gateway in Protland USA
once every 24 hours and we (the HK PC User Group) are the organization behind
who actually paying the IDD bills.

However, in order to avoid the arguments/troubles of calculating and
collecting momey from other SysOps.  We simply allow all FidoNet BBSs in Asia
(NOT just HongKong) by making use of this ZoneGate e-mail routing for FREE! -
until one day we find that we can no longer affort it.  Since the HK PC User
Group didn't charge other SysOps any money for routing e-mails via our
ZoneGate system so they are also adviced not collecting money from their
users for sending International e-mails (unless they have their own outgoing
links).  Yes, if users want sending FREE International e-mail from FidoNet,
don't come to HK PC User Group BBSs.  They can send via other BBSs if they
can convince their SysOps allow them to access this facility.

On the other hand, donation from SysOps in HK are welcome for the support of
the operating cost of running this ZoneGate by joining the HK PC User Group
BBS as a Member.  Although SysOps may not actually want to make use of the
HKPCUG's BBSs service but this is a way for them to show their supports. So
far I can tell only a VERY few of them did it and majority are NOT :-( but well, that is live...

Samson Luk
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Commerical by KCR
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:50:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov11.163352.17567@news.cs.indiana.edu> <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>People may think KCR is not "clean" and avoid to take KCR and "touch"
>those kind of thing.  KCR may need to spend more money on promotion to "clear"
>their image. I don't see making up such story will do any good to KCR.
>

May be it's negative advertising to attract curious people to take KCR instead?

It is very difficult to get well known, no matter it's for good or for bad.
So I still think KCR has the advantage here...

- Louis


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: looking for Alan N.C. Chan
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:04:25 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14043 soc.culture.taiwan:15176 soc.culture.china:29956
From: dliu@ark.njit.edu (Dong Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Any reaction from China?
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:18:06 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, NJIT
X-News-Reader: GNUS 3.14.1 for GNU Emacs 18.58.3

>>>>> On 5 Nov 92 16:58:38 GMT, PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu said:

PXW10> Does any one hear any reaction from China on the result of US
PXW10> election?

Here is a message from my friend at Shanghai, it looks interesting.

------ quote from email from Shanghai -------------------

The East Radio Station, the new established radio station, broadcast the news
of the presidency election almost simutaneously. Just like the Golf war. I
think the reporter was sitting before CNN and reporting the news every half
hour. 

----- end of quote ---------------------------------------

From this, you can image what is goning on inside China NOW.

enjoy --dong
--
Dong Liu  <dliu@ace.njit.edu>
Electrical and Computer Engineering Department
New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, NJ 07102
From: Enzo.Michelangeli@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Enzo Michelangeli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Any node in HK besides 6:700/1
Date: 8 Nov 1992 11:07:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 KC> Could any body tell me how to send mail (net mail) to a fido-node in HK


Easy: send E-mail to name.surname@fXXX.n700.z6.fidonet.org
where XXX is the node Fidonet address.

 KC> It's because I see that all the message that from HK fido-net is thro'
 KC> 6:700/1 , is it a g/w to internet?

Yes, brand new!

Enzo
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung)
Subject: Re: cantonese songs
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:05:15 EST

In article <6130181@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
|> Come on, downloading any files from tfp site and play on computer is fun but
|> not a good idea. Even with a sound card, the quality is not very good. You
|> may not need to pay for it. But how much you College or Company has to pay
|> for the connection. It is not just .02 cents. Another point, have anybody
|> thought about copyright? If you care, you are against the copyright. If you
|> don't care, it will be cheaper and better to have your friend copy a 
|> tape for you from Hong Kong.
|> 
|> 
|> yuk

That will depends on the policy of the edu, com and gov that you work.
Some of them consider games and entertainment are fair use of the facilities.
I agree it is against the copyright law.  However, it is almost impossible to
digitize a entire tape.

Assume you have 30 minutes of songs on a tape. You want to digitize with
telephone quality.

30 mins * 3600 mins/sec * 90% (header, pause in between) = 97200 sec of songs

Quote from Sun man pages:
Digital audio data is sampled at a
rate of 8000  samples  per  second  with  12-bit  precision,
though  the  data is compressed, using u-law encoding, to 8-
bit samples.  The resulting audio data quality is equivalent
to that of standard telephone service.

97200 sec * 8000 sample/sec = 777600000 bytes
                            = 741.6 Mbytes

That's why digital audio did not become a big hit after CD becomes an
affordable storage media.

PS: Standard telephone service quility is needed to identify the singer. You can
tune the quality down to just identify the wordings (In other words, you can not
not even identify the singer is a male or a female.)

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

aleung@mailbox.syr.edu
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Multi-byte character set
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:49:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:

>Hello. Something technical this time. 

>I need some information in multilingual character sets. How do normal ASCII 
>characters represented in multi-byte character code? When you try to type 
>a '=' in a multi-bytes language (ex. Chinese or Japanese). Does it stored as 
>1. Escape sequence to ASCII, 0x3d then escape sequence back to multi-byte 
>char set, 2. a multi-byte code e.g. something like 0x83 0x44, or 3. Depends 
>on what mode when the user was typing. The languages I need to know are

>Chinese (GB and Big5) NB. I know GB is depends on user
>Japanese
>Korean
>and Possible Other Asian langauges.

I think they are all two-byte wide... except for BIG-5.

Try getting a FAQ from alt.chinese.text

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: Thanks for HKPA & request for more
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:43:24 GMT

ccdgc@dct.ac.uk writes:

>Many thanks to the people who posted all these HK popstars on the net,
>out of all of them, vivien's collection is my favorite. Her bitmap image
>is now looking at me from my terminal and a new bitmap of her appears every
>5 minutes. All my friends loves it & wanting a copy as well. 
>So, keep it going please ! 

You're very very welcome!! :*) BTW the concept of HKPA was evolved from
the so called HKPGCS (HK Popstar Collection Scheme) which was started
on this month last year. In other words HKPA.POPSTARS is about to
celebrate its one-year-old birthday... :*)

Regards,
Alan of HKPA.POPSTARS.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:04:50 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Is dog meat high in cholestrol?  Is red wine appropriate for the meal?


- Louis


P.S.  I love dogs very much even though I got bited twice in my life.