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From: mprime@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Mike  Prime)
Subject: Chain Suck on Mt Bike
Keywords: How to Stop?
Reply-To: mprime@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Mike  Prime)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:11:30 GMT


I think this came up before but it was before I had my mountain bike.
My new bike (Specialized Stumpjumper Comp - Deore XT, Specialized crank
and chainrings, Shimano hyperglide chain) has chain suck. What I mean by
chain suck is that when I shift, under load, to the smallest chainring
the chain gets "stuck" to the chainring and is "sucked" up to inbetween
the chainrings and the chainstay. I already scraped up that area pretty
good on my first ride.

What can I do?

Mike
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 15:21:16 EST
From: <FDHEIENO@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: rack suggestions for '91 Previa

The title line tells it all, we're looking for suggestions for a roof rack
for our Toyota Previa.  Suggestions, pro orcon for either brand will be
greatly appreciated.   Post, reply to this address or to dfw@physics.ucf.edu.

Thanks!
Dennis Weeks
University of Central Fl
Orlando, FL
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: cd018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alvin Kienming Liau)
Subject: Mountain Bike club at Ohio State univ
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:42:50 GMT


	Hi! Does anyone out there know how I can get in touch
with the Ohio State Univ mountain biking club/group. Also,
are there any clubs in the Columbus area for MTBs? If yes,
who do I get in touch with.

	One last question, are there any nice tracks for
MTBing in the Columbus, Ohio area? Thanks.

liau_ak@max.cc.denison.edu
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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:20:47 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes

> I'm certainly not wild about cars, but this society won't
> operate without them. And people who suggest draconian
> methods to end private automobile use are probably those
> who also suggest communism, forced labor camps for
> 'non-believers' and scraping the Constitution because it
> wasn't written in today's english.

Tom,

I am probably the most capitalistic person you could ever
meet.  And *that* is the reason I support gas taxes.
Not to kill the automobile, but to end the subsidy.  Not
to punish.  Not to put anyone into a labor camp.  Not to
kill the automobile.

What is 'communistic' is the 'you pay for my driving'
attitude that is currently prevelant among the automobile
driving community.

The free market system only chooses the most effective
and efficient point of supply/demand when there is no
subsidy.  Currently there is a very large subsidy for
automobile, and there seems only two ways of getting rid
of that:

1) Directed taxation.  This is what the gas tax falls
under.  Not an ideal solution, but it would be far better
than the inefficiencies caused by the current misdirecting
of general funds to support for the automobile.

2) Privitization of the highway and road system.  This
is only praticible to a certain degree.  But to what
degree it can be done, it should be.  And uses of such
a system would see their driving costs go up, as the
costs of that driving would be very directly reflected
in the tolls such a system would charge.

I don't want the automobile killed.  I love driving my
sports car.  But I don't think othe people should pay
for my milage - I should.  Stealing money from those who
use public transportation or ride bicycles to pay for
the roads I use is not an appropriate solution to road
construction and maintenance.

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: pros in olympics
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Bob Geer writes:
>I know, let's open the Olympics to all comers, pro or not, & do it on
>a weekly basis.  With the right tv announcers, the right music, the
>right change of sporting competitions, we'll have:
>
>			World Gladiators
>
>For those of you not within viewing range of American syndicated tv,
>there's this game show called American Gladiators consisting of
>relatively mortal looking contestants competing against a group of
>males & females who look like hormone & steroid experiments gone mad
>in a wierd collection of contrived competitions.  There is a segment
>of American society who love this sort of thing.

Oh no!  I'm part of that segment;-)  I really miss 'Sunny' aka Cheryl
Baldinger.  She quit the Gladiators to take up cycling a couple of years
ago.  Sigh, I wish I raced in the Chicago area.
>
>By the way, when will tractor-pulls & monster truck races be allowed
>in the Olympics?  All too soon, I fear.

Soon, I hope.  They'll probably be more exciting than Bee-bee gun shooting 
or Badminton.  Maybe a combination of trucks and bb shooting is in order - 
a modern Biathlon where the Olympic truckers could shoot at the Olympic 
cyclists as they drive by.  

BTW, does anyone know how our Olympic Badminton team, under the great 
coaching of Mark Hodges did?  Our TTT squad really missed him as they finished 
16th instead of the 10th they managed under his tutelage in '88.
(China beat us but we did spank our arch-nemisis Mongolia however.)

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:05:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug20.210516.14959
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

@tamsun.tamu.edu> sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:
>Why does everyone seem to want fat tires on a road bike?  Did you say that
>you were going to be touring on this bike?  If so, I guess I can understand.
>The reason I am confused is because I use a set of Mavics, with Conti 18mm
>Is it just that skinny tires were once the fashion, and now fat tires are in?
>My wife's Trek 1400, which is a couple of years old, came with 20mm tires.  Now
>it seems like new road bikes come with 23mm more often than 20.
>Sean

1) Continental's sales guys were quoted a few times saying that in
	many cases a 23mm tires can have LESS rolling resistance than
	a similar 19mm tire.  In general a 23mm tire is heavier and harder 
	to accelerate than a 19mm tire.  Also, I believe that
	an unloaded 19mm tire may have less RR than an unloaded 23mm
	tire, but loaded, the 23mm tire has less deformation, or some
	thing like that.  Net readers who work closely with companies
	which can test tire adhesion and RR can comment further on
	this.
2) Some people weigh more than others.  I know I could safely ride 19mm
	tires on smooth roads, but being about 180 (plus water, tools,
	bananas and sometimes extra clothing), I woudl like to be able
	to take either of my bikes anywhere (dirt roads, washboard
	asphalt, path around Walden Pond) without changing tires.l
3) I don't plan to race much, so I don't really need to worry a lot
	about angular momentum.  You are the second person to point
	out to me that if I am going to pay lots for a nice road bike,
	maybe getting 36H rims and heavier 28mm tires is self-defeating.
	(Bike shop employee today pointed out that my touring bike
	would be a great choice for the off-road stuff if I insisted
	on leaving the pavement).
4) Wider tires often have thicker tread, reducing the chance of
	punctures.

	One of the many friendly Wheelworks employees just started
riding his new 'dale 2.8 R900 racing bike.  He and I had the
same discussion about tire width (his Trek got hit by a car
and the driver's insurance paid for the new 'dale at the
employee's discounted price).  He put on 20mm tires, but he
only weight about 140lbs and won't be taking it off-road.  Also,
i think he will race it.
-case
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From: steve@enterprise.den.mmc.com (Steve Gilbert)
Subject: USCF Catagories
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:10:58 GMT

Recently I've seen posts that have mentioned a Cat V for USCF racers.
I've been away from the USCF races for a while and wondered how that
relates to what we used to call *bloody IV's*.  Could someone post
the relationship between the Cats, and also info about the process
of upgrading?

Thanks
--
/\          Steve Gilbert
  \         Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
   \  /\    steve@xanadu.den.mmc.com
    \/  \___
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:05:28 GMT

In <1992Aug20.153008.1521@tamsun.tamu.edu>
   sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:

> So, to restate:  Why do you want fat tires on your new road bike?

okay, so here are my top ten reasons for wanting fat tires on
a road bike:

 1. I weigh 180-185 lbs
 2. Sometimes I carry >10 lbs of books to school
 3. Fat tires are less prone to snake bites
 4. They absorb road shock - so my hands and arms don't have to
 5. I only have to pump them up to 100 psi (not 125)
 6. They don't fall into little cracks on the ground
 7. The wheels "stick" inside certain bike racks
 8. Larger tires give me a better workout, plus they make me
    feel especially fast when I switch to skinny (700x25) tires
 9. Avocet FasGrip Duro-Plus tires look like really-cool
    motorcycle racing tires - it makes me want to put
    "Chain Lube" stickers on my chainstays
10. I want people with new bikes with skinny tires to
    feel as though they're missing out on something good
--
Alex
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
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From: garth@.comm.mot.com (Garth Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Bike shops in Chicago
Organization: Private Trunked Systems Div. Motorola Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.110833@iauf3.unifr.ch> wismer@cfruni51.bitnet (Daniel Wismer) writes:
>
>I'll be in Chicago, IL for the last two weeks of September.
>I would like to buy a racing bike there, I have the Cannondale R700
>or R800 in mind.
>Would someone send me a list of the best two or three bike stores in
>the area ?  ('Best' means good selection, helpful people, reasonable
>prices but no after-sale service is needed).
>
>Thank your for your help.

To my way of thinking there are a couple of good bike shops. 
Pony Shop - Chicago
RRB Cyclery - just north of Chicago  (forgot the suburb)
Oak Park Cyclery - Oak Park    (just west of Chicago)
                              ( This is my favorite - but there are others)
????    on Campton Hills road in St.Charles   (Excellent Shop)

This is based on my experience, way out west where I live it is a major
trip to visit the shops in Chicago proper.   Good Luck.

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From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RESULTS : Tour of Britain Stages 1, 2 and 5 (repost)
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


Someone requested reposts of the results for the first 2 stages
of the Kellogg's Tour.  I have been informed that due to a power
failure at this site, stage 5 results didn't make it to the outside world.
Here are the results of the three stages

Stage 1
Dundee circuit race (62.5 miles)

1. Hendrik Redant (Lotto, Bel)	2:02:00 (30.7 mph; 49.1 kph)
2. O. Ludwig (Panasonic)
3. J. Museeuw (Lotto)
4. M. Sciandri (Motorola)
5. A. Peiper (Tulip)
6. P. Anderson (Motorola)	all same time

Stage 2
Edinburgh-Gateshead (133 miles)

1. M. Sciandri (Motorola, Italy)	5:38:02	(23.6 mph; 37.8 kph)
2. A. Van der Poel (Tulip)
3. H. Imboden (Subaru)			all same time
4. J. Van Aert (PDM)			+7 sec
5. E. Bouwmans (Panasonic)		+9 sec
6. M. Kummer (PDM)			same time

Stage 5
Nottingham-Leeds (110 miles)

Robert Millar (TVM, GB) made a bold attempt to snatch the race on the final
stage into Leeds.  33 seconds down at the beginning of the day, he broke away
on the climb up Holme Moss (also ridden in the Wincanton Classic) and had a
lead of 1 min 59 sec with 20 miles to go.  He was caught on the final lap
and finished in the bunch.

1. Henrik Redant (Lotto, Bel)	4:54:38 (22.5 mph; 35.9 kph)
2. O. Ludwig (Pnasonic)	
3. A. Van der Poel (Tulip)
4. J. Museeuw (Lotto)
5. M. Sciandri (Motorola)
6. F. Baldato (GB MB)		all same time

47. R. Millar (TVM, GB)

Overall Result

1. Maximilian Sciandri (Motorola, Italy)	22:23:03 (23.4 mph; 37.36 kph)
2. A. Van der Poel (Tulip)			+6 sec
3. H. Redant (Lotto)				+8 sec
4. J. Van Aert (PDM)				+16 sec
5. O. Ludwig (Panasonic)			+19 sec
6. J. Museeuw (Lotto)				+20 sec

9. R. Millar (TVM)				+29 sec
20. S. Yates (Motorola)				+35 sec
32. A. Peiper (Tulip)				+56 sec

Points Result

1. Sciandri	59 pts
2. Van der Poel	58
3. Museeuw	55

Mountains

1. C. Zamana (Subaru-Montgomery)	63
2. P. Anderson (Motorola)		43
3. B. Smith (Banana-MET)		38

Sprints

1. Sciandri	24
2. Anderson	43
3. Van der Poel	13

Team

1. PDM-Concorde	67:10:31
2. Tulip	67:10:42
3. Motorola	same time

STF	
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:49:10 GMT

Dick King writes:

> The magnitudes of the forces may not be enough to damage the foot, but
> the concern is not completely misplaced.

Since there is no evidence either from my experience in observing many
falls, or for that matter from other net readers to this effect, I think
I can assume that this comment is entirely hypothetical.  To bring it
up as evidence, that one should not use SPD pedals therefore, fits my
description of fearmongering.  After all it works well for George Bush.
He has used it before and it's on the menu now.

As I mentioned on this subject earlier, when change rears its ugly head,
there will always be those who oppose the best advances with any
argument, however specious, to justify their own choice.  This in spite
of no one knowing or caring what it is that's being defended until fuzzy
arguments are given to create false doubts in its defense.

I find it curious, however, that the bicycle industry has not found a
name for pedals that engage a cleat without straps and toeclips.  You
may recall that Cinelli was the first to widely market such a pedal.
Clipless pedals are not necessarily Look, Time or SPD but include also
rubber tread pedals for street shoes.  I expect clips and straps to
become so rare that their absence will not define anything.  Bicyclists
wont know to what the term refers.  By that time I hope we will have a
descriptive term.  Or should I say, hopefully?

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: About seat posts
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 16223@cs.joensuu.fi, IIRE@joyl.joensuu.fi (IIRE_ANTTI) writes:
>Yet another newbie question...
>
>I am 190 cm tall (don't know your feets and inches) and I have an MTB with
>approx. 21" frame. I really like the bike. In my opinion taller guy can do
>it with smaller frame. 
>
>But the problem, as you have already guessed, is the seat post. When I saw
>the discussion about tall gyus & MTB's, I decided to ask, too.
>
>HOw long posts there is available (around here one can't find anything longer
>than 33 cm)? I've contacted couple of US mailing companies, and they said
>they'd have 35 cm. And is there any "do-it-yourself"-tricks to lenghten the
>post? I have 32 cm post, and in city&roads I have to pull the post so high,
>that there isn't very much of it left inside the frame anymore (approx.
>6-7 cm). I'd feel safer with a litle bit longer post, but I am not yet ready
>to pay $50 (+p&p) for the additional 3 cm. 
>

Dean Titanium comes in a 360mm.
IRD comes in a 375 and 425
Mavic 337, Kingsberry Ti, Syncros Pro and Kona Ti come in a 400mm

They all come in all diameter assortments.
I think a Ringle Bubba Post comes real long too.


>So people, how have you solved this problem? Or have you just purchased a new
>frame? I wouldn't want to, I like this one.
>
>BTW, diameter is 26.9, I think.
>
>THANX!
>
>
>Antti Iire,  Univ. of JOENSUU, Finland
>P.O BOX 111, SF-80101 FINLAND
>Phone: + 358 (9)73 151 2063
>Fax: + 358 (9)73 151 2050
>Email: iire@joyl.joensuu.fi

Michael Wong
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Suntour Command Shifters - YES!
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:50:27 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1684113D3B.TBARNETT@lexmark.com>,
TBARNETT@lexmark.com (Tyler Barnett) writes: 
> I noticed in a recent Nashbar catalog an ad for Suntour Command shifters,
> and am wondering if they would work with my Specialized Sirrus, which was
> bought new several months ago, and which has Suntour Blaze components.
> The bike has a 7-speed cassette, and has index shifting on the downtube.
> My commute is 17 miles one-way thru rolling country roads, and I am
> constantly shifting.  I would shift even more often if the shifter were
> more convenient!  Thanks, Tyler
> N4TY@lexmark.com

My mailer can't reach you so I'll share my SunTour Command Shifter
story with everybody:

I put Suntour Command Shifters on my Shimano deraillered Cannondale 2 months
ago with no problem(7 speed Winner pro FW).
With downtude shifting, remember to get cable stops if NASHBAR doesn't tell
you - cost $4, they didn't tell me, so I paid $15.

I really love the shifters. In races I use all the gears and I don't
have to bend over to give away any sprinting clues or loose time on the
hills when shifting. In TT's, I don't have to move far from the aerobars
to snag the gearing. In general, I find myself shifing gears subconsciously
off the back of my hand or when changing hand positions on the bars.
       
The only annoyance for me is indexing. I managed to run the shift housing
underneath my handlebar tape with my aerobrake routing. This leaves an
amazingly clean top bar as far as cables go, but in doing so I might
have created too much friction for my SIS indexing to work. Proper mounting
instructions were not included :-(, hence my cable stop dilemma above.

So anyway, I'd recommend them. My own indexing never worked great
anyway, and with the levers on the bars, small adjustments are no
problem. Consider them a poor-person's STI system, but it looks better
and won't cost you $600, no $300, no $?? > $36 if you hate them,
fall on them or get them stolen. I bought them for the same reasons you
mention above and I think you'll really enjoy not having to bend for
a gear change when commuting and/or racing.

-Todd.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:53:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.200551.14954@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>	As far as I can tell, the Force 40 feature on '92
>Cannondale MTBs does sacrifice pad movement in favor of increased
>braking force.  It's like using a two-pulley systme to lift
>a load instead of one.  With one pulley you get no mechanical 
>advantage except to change the direction of force.  With a two-pulley
>system, you get twice the force but must pull the rope 10cm to
>lift the load 5cm.  One bike mag warned that while Force 40
>allows increased braking power, it required one to set the pads
>very close to the rims.

yes, and this is my biggest complaint about the Force 40 system.
i bash my wheels quite a bit in off-road riding, and it's a rare
occasion when they're running perfectly true (hey i don't have that
much time to tinker with the bike).  i have a cannondale M800 with
deore 2-finger brakes, and i find that when i brake hard the levers
come uncomfortably close to the handlebars.  next time i ride i'm
going to see whether i can brake hard enough with the front brake
to send me over the handlebars.  but i suspect i won't be able to.
so i'm probably either going to reroute the cables and skip the Force 40
system or get some brake levers (diacompe SS-5?) that pull more cable.
probably just reroute, since it costs nothing.  the main benefit
of the brakes as they are now is that i can practically lock up the
rear wheel with my little finger.  great when your arms are tired
from a long, fast, and bumpy ride down a steep hill.  but the deore
brakes are enough, and i don't particularly care to keep my wheels
true to +/- .1 mm.

by the way.  the cannondale brochure says Force 40 increases braking power
by 40%, not 100%.  where did the other 60% go?  frictional losses?

-teddy
p.s. my bike has a 13-inch bottom bracket.  does this help or hurt
climbing?  it definitely climbs better than my old bike but then again
it has smokes and weighs quite a bit less.  what are the tradeoffs of
having an elevated bottom bracket?
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Campy brake hoods
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:01:42 GMT

ozcomert@wam.umd.edu (John Sedat Ozcomert) writes:
>Several years ago I purchased Campy Athena brakes and I have been very happy
>with them except for one thing: the brake hoods slowly ripped on the underside
>a problem; simply replace the hoods.  But Campy hoods are about $30 EACH!!

In Excel's mailorder catalog Vol 10 p42:

Campy brake hoods for Record, Chorus, Athena:  #2010382...each $14.75 US

Also (& still better than $30):

Campy '92 Athena brake levers:                 #2010372...each $24.95 US

Also Dura-Ace hoods $9.95; 600 $7.95; STI $9.95; Campy Ergo $24.9}5

Excel: 800-627-6664
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