HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:16:04 GMT

In article <veal.160@utkux1.utk.edu> veal@utkux1.utk.edu (David L. Veal) writes:

>In article <nv3dah0@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>>Name one group of people that I do not want to deal with... I bet you 
>>cannot...  I would happily have lunch with you and clayton.  I'll
>>even buy it.  I know Metzger (head of WAR) fairly well.  I am not the one
>>who is insisiting on the juvenile right to not deal with any group I
>>choose not to.

>     Convicted mass murderers.  Rapists.  Anyone who wants to beat gays
>senseless.  


Heee hee....  This is too good to pass up:

Are you willing to let Jeff Dahlmer have you for dinner one night.

(Sorry.  Captain Cheapshot strikes.)

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Bush/Baker Ticket??
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:04:57 GMT

In article <veal.123@utkvm1.utk.edu> veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal) writes:

>     Bush won't kick Quayle out.  Now Quayle *might* "step down" for the 
>good of the party...
>

Quayle is not going to leave the ticket, either voluntarily or not. Quayle
is Bush's main link to the hard-core conservatives who constitute the core
of the Republican vote. Dropping Quayle, especially replacing him with Baker,
would probably cause these voters to sit out the election.

Baker has been anathema to the right wing for years. Remember 'Let Reagan
be Reagan'? Who do you think that was addressed to ?

>
>===========================================================================
>|David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  University of Tennessee             |  
>|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
>| Statistics are any data which can be twisted to support your posititon  | 
>===========================================================================
>

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.discrimination
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Tsongas Economic Plan
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.politics.elections, wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>I think one aspect of the Tsongas Economic plan that defintely needs
>to be returned to the national debate is Tsongas' call for a cut
>in the capital gains tax, favored by both Bush and Perot but opposed by
>Clinton.  Has Clinton changed his mind in favor of it now?

    Clinton was ALWAYS in favor of a capital gains cut!  At least get
your facts straight! He has been in favor of TARGETED capital gains 
cuts for his entire campaign. (I saw a position paper a year or two 
ago where he laid out his plans. They haven't changed. I heard him on 
McNiel Lehre a year ago saying that we need a capital gains cut. Tsongas 
agreed with the bulk of Clinton's CG plan on the same show.)
    The difference between Bush and Clinton is that Clinton doesn't
want to reward short term speculation.  He feels that three month stock
market tricks don't do anything but line the pockets of Wall Street.
He would rather see investment in the manufacturing base, or in research,
etc.  
    I tend to agree, having seen many good companies bought with hostile 
takeovers, leveraged to the hilt, then left to die as the corporate 
raiders find another target.  Many companies avoided investment in the
future so that they wouldn't become targets of corporate raiders.  Even
though these companies would like to act long term, the predatory 80's
forced them to think lean and quarterly.

Tim Smith
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Re: Vacation Time!
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:53:54 GMT

>  The only thing about life in the city that didn't make me retch was
>  the social and cultural life.  I used to hang out with other "intel-
>  lectual" types and sometimes we'd get some real brainy types -- you
>  know, with the giant bulging foreheads and hardly any hair --  at
>  those parties.  The fun thing to do was to to say embarassing things
>  about sex and stuff to them and see if you were "getting to them"
>  by taking the derivative of the rate at which the huge bulging
> veins in their foreheads pulsed.


Hmmm. You rant and rave about how if anyone went out of their way to
abuse you/ humiliate you by pulling some "infantile bullshit" prank on
you, you would sue them. Then you go and put an insulting stereotype
on "intellectuals".
I'll admitt, a there are really smart people who are very introverted, but
part of the reason is because assholes like you humiliate them.

On the other hand, there are quite a number who are very extroverted, and/or
have no trouble discussing sex. (One rather amusing conversation I had
was having my advisor (a physics prof) telling me that learning can
be as gratifing as sex)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:36:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Jul21.013455.20627@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> kjaskiew@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Keith Ross Jaskiewicz) writes:
>aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>>glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno) writes:
>>
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong... aren't we ALREADY in the biggest
>>>recession since the 1930's?
>>
>>consider yourself corrected. The recession in the middle 70's and the
>>one in the early 80's where each far worse. This one is actually pretty
>>mild, it just seems worse compared to the previous decade of growth.
>
>Correct ME if I'M wrong, but according to the accepted succession of
>leading economic indicators, we are no longer in a recession.
>
Yep, just ask that ever-burgeoning army of the homeless out there on the 
streets, or the 3-4% of the working population unemployed, yet not reported,
because they looked for work unsuccessfully for so long that they've given up
looking.

Everything's rosy for them.

George Lambert
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: hideo@sdf.lonestar.org (David Carter)
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:48:12 GMT

>the list goes on.  I am sickened by the obvious ploy of both sides
>to garnish support from Perot supporters.  I believe they are only
    ^^^^^^^

I think he means "garner".
A silly flame on my part, but the mental image is delightfully
rickety. Where do parsey sprigs fit in to all this?

David Carter            :(      I am but a
aka Hideo Gump          :)    trailer-home
Dallas, Texas USA       :(  in the tornado
hideo@sdf.lonestar.org  :)        of life!

p.s. no hard feelings, I left the
quote anonymous ok?
if you must counter-flame
make it entertaining...


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Organization: DAZIX / An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:58:14 GMT

In article <l7dheqINNd07@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>
>
>According to Dr. Lendon Smith, well known child psychologist, the highest 
>incendences of pre-marital pregnancies among girls below college age is
>found in strict religious communities.
                 ^^^^^^^^^
Was there a purpose for putting the religious "spin" on this 
or did you not read that the highest incidents are in the
inner-city Latino and Afro-American communities?  Coincidently they
they may be "strict religious communities", but the underlying causes
are probably poverty, poor education and other socio-economic factors
which require our involvement to resolve.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:26:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <rdippold.711676309@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
>>In article <archer.93@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>>|> >No minimum drinking age, eh?  Pretty scarey to me...
>>|> 
>>|> Why?  Because it makes individuals responsible for their actions?  I can see 
>>|> how that would scare some people.
>
>>How does giving a fifteen year old the right to get drunk make him 
>>responsible for his actions?  Children are children and their actions
>>need to be subject to control.
>
>No shit, and that's why you have parents.  If the parents feel that
>the child is responsible enough and old enough to be drinking, then so
>be it.


  Would you agree to holding parents responsible for the actions of their
  children, then?   I.e., subjecting them to whatever penalties would accrue
  to their children for doing some hurtful thing?
                                       

---peter


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From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:55:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <11394@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <8096.2332@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com writes:
>> In article <11375@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >In article <1992Jul21.211117.18795@cs.ucla.edu>, crosenberg@igc.org (Charlie Rosenberg) writes:
etc .....
Clayton writes:

>In the U.S., heterosexual IV drug abusers are rising fast.  (Most
>of AIDS patients in the U.S. are still homosexuals, of course).

Then why do the statistics show that the fastest rising
contagion groups are teenagers and young adults in the 15-25
heterosexual group AND women from 21-35 (please correct if I
am wrong) in the heterosexual group???????

>
>Have I been tested?  Only as a consequence of donating blood.  Of
>course, I do something terribly perverse: monogamy.  My wife shares
>in this perversion.  We have nothing to worry about, unless 
>some AIDS-tainted blood slips through the screening system, and we
>are suddenly in need of blood for an unplanned operation.  But
>then again, that's another argument for mandatory testing, isn't it?
>
>The homosexual community brought AIDS on themselves, by their
>promiscuity and complete lack of concern about STDs.
>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
>with whom I work.

You know, I admire your persistence to stick to your guns in
this BUT .... Clayton .... this *is* a human disease.  It was
*not* brought about by the gay community. It *was* manufactured
as a biological weapon.  So far, Dr. Lorraine Day, Dr. William
Campbel Douglas, and Dr. Robert Strecker all concur in their
findings as to what it's construction is, what its contagion
vectors are and the possibility of it having *ORIGINALLY* been
manufactured rather than spontaneously brought about by
evolving virals factors in the monkey community of South
Africa.

If this is strictly a gay thing, which it isn't, then can you
answer why the statistics show that 65% + of all world-wide
cases are heterosexual????? 

I've watched your continued postings on this topic with
interest.  You have been at this for at least a year now.  If
that community does not affect your life *DIRECTLY* then what
is the problem???? It does seem like there is some sort of
unspoken agenda here you know ....

Len
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: I loved Bush ...
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:53:37 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
|> Michael Polen) writes:
|> >Patrick J. McGuinness writes:
|> >|> >Michael Polen writes:
|> >|> >>What?  He [Bush] has done everything he promised.  He has continued the Reagan plan to
|> >|> >>move our resources to the wealthy, he has scuttled the Supreme Court, he has
|> >|> >>ignored the environment, he has abondoned our public education system, and he
|> >|> >>has significantly reduced support for social program.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Elements of the poverty of politics:
|> >|> 1. The use of rhetoric and propoganda to displace rational analysis.
|> >|> e.g.  When supposedly intelligent politically-active people engage in false,
|> >|> charged rhetoric in order to score 'debating' points or cause an emotional reaction.
|> >
|> >I am apparently a novice.  As a response to my rhetoric and propoganda, Patrick
|> >has chosen to use false and misleading statistics to accomplish the same task.
|> 
|> My statistics are 'misleading' because they contradict your claims.
|> That doesn't make them false.  Can you present, in budgetary numbers, any
|> evidence to support the claim that social spending was sigificantly
|> cut under Bush? That education spending, directly or indirectly, was reduced? 
|> 
|> >|>   "He has scuttled the Supreme Court"
|> >|> He nominated two well-qualified men on the Supreme Court who were confirmed and
|> >|> who are serving ably. The Supreme Court, as it has been for 200 years, is still the
|> >|> highest court in the land, and it has made many excellent and wise decisions
|> >|> in recent sessions. As such the statement is contentless.
|> >
|> >Bush has continued the Reagan agenda to appoint to the SC judges that would
|> >support the position that companies were moral and do what is in the best
|> >interest of society, but that people are basically immoral and need to be 
|> >told how to run their lives.
|> 
|> This is not true. Reason magazine's interview of
|> Thomas (many years ago) when he was at EEOC, showed that Thomas
|> was much more a Libertarian than your inaccurate caricature.
|> Your derogation of the Supreme Court and the SC judges is disheartening,
|> misplaced and pointless.
|> 
This from a man who is where he is from government support programs, affirmative
action, and political opportunism.  If Thomas were a Libertarian, he would have
ruled that the Oakland lady could have kept here French abortion pills.

If "many year ago" opinions were important, then Bush would be appointing pro-
choice advocates to his team and to the Supreme Court.

Bush said that he did not appoint Thomas because he was black, but because he
was the best qualified person in the country for the job.  If you believe that,
then I would recommend you stay away from bridge salespersons.

Thomas said he had never discussed Roe vs. Wade with anyone, ever, including
his wife.  If you believe that, same recommendation.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Perot sued!!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:49:52 GMT

In article <l6m8vmINNva@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>One of Perot's ex-supporters, a Miami woman named Michelle Alexander,
>has filed suit against Ross Perot for having broken his promise to run
>for President. It is supposedly a class-action suit.
>
>Talk of frivolous lawsuits!!!

When Pete Wilson of California vetoed AB101, a supporter of his who
had donated $4,000 to his campaign on the basis of his promise to sign
was given a refund.  It doesn't sound entirely unheard-of.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Vacation Time!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:27:56 GMT

tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
: In article <1992Jul22.070637.18806@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
: >: 
: >: There is a story from Caltech about a student who left for the week
: >: to visit his girlfriend.  His friends got a lot of plaster, and made
: >: his dorm room door vanish; they even installed some wiring, and put
: >: a lamp where the door was.  When their friend returned to find
: >: the wall, they denied knowing who he was, as sort of existentialist
: >: prank.
: >
: >I heard this story way back in the 60s - about MIT students. I wonder
: >which story came first?
: >
: >: Now, I ask, is there any way we can pull this off over the Usenet
: >: with Mr. Kaldis's metaphorical dorm room?
: >
: >I think Mr is being too polite. The best thing to do with TK is just
: >ignore him.
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Um, as an MIT student, and having heard about many such "Hacks" (the
: local name for such inventive time sinks) I *believe* that I would
: have heard about this happening at MIT, had it really happened here. I
: believe that I have heard about it happening at CalTech.
: 
: Likelihood that it happened at Caltech: Fair to Low
: Likelihood that it happened at MIT:	Low to Snuff

This was supposedly during a yearly, "underclassmen get even with the
upperclassmen" day type of thing. I do not recall all the details. You
might be able to find more information in your library.

: 		-Dave "not really an authority"  LeCompte

I have no idea if such a thing ever happened. It is such an obvious prank
that it would be surprising if someone didn't try it. Doing a good job is
another thing.

Bill
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:38:23 GMT

In article <11442@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#How about the mistakes being made by the gay community today?  I've
#started collecting postings from soc.motss about the problems of
#unsafe promiscuous sex -- and there have been quite a few.

Well, why don't you at least pretend to be fair, and keep track of the
number of times condoms, or safe sex is mentioned, that way you have
numbers instead of a hatchet job?

--
-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
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 Internet:      gsh7w@virginia.edu  
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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:20:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul22.201555.25731@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:

>
>Would you try to consider another possibility regarding divisiveness?
>Project this, the government has promoted the concept of group rights
>via the mechanism of entitlements, affirmative action, etc.  The result
>is for some of these people to begin to think of themselves as belonging
>to a group instead of as an individual citizen.

It only takes one healthy does of discrimination, racism, homophobia
or sexism to remind the individual citizen that he/she does indeed
belong to a group, and not a well-liked one at that.

It must be obvious to
>you that, by this argument, the danger for our society to tribalize 
>under this environment is greatly increased.  I see people lining up
>on group boundaries (such as race!) instead of on issue boundaries, this
>is tribal.

Its very real when you've faced hatred because of who you are. Trust
me. I've been spat on, and I've been called names. And it wasn't
because of my individuality. Racist, sexists and homophobes are the
ones who promote the idea of groups. They're the real tribalists, so
go talk to them. 

>
>White extremists, Black extremists - what's the difference, you democrats
>have been using group rights to promote equality but there can be no
>equality unless people are treated as individuals.  How can group rights
>be separate but equal?

And you republicans have been using the rule of Divide and Conquer for
the last 12 years, which promotes tribalism very nicely. Its a two
edged sword.

>AIDS contained by the Feds eh?  You don't want the government involved
>in sexual behavior when it involves everything from teaching abstinence
>through abortion rights yet when it serves YOUR purpose to promote what
>you believe is culturally right then it is OK.  Exactly how would the
>government go about stopping people from engaging in high risk activities???
>Are you advocating government involvement in sexual behavior? (No, you don't
>do you.  And neither do I).

For the last 10 years two Republican Presidents have ignored AIDS. It
took 70,000 deaths for Reagan to even say the word AIDS. Bush only
continued that legacy by annualy deacreasing AIDS research funding,
the only hope for a cure, while my friends were dying. Even when AIDS
activists came to Kennebunkport to protest Bush's inaction, all he
said was that his sympathies were with the shop owners whose bussiness
was being disrupted for that one day.

This man, and an awful lot of those who support him, really don't care
if some American's live or die.



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:26:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPSS Inc.

mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>In article <lzfmyk.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.004331.15705@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.e
>du (John Flanagan) writes:
>>>P.S. -- This is why I'm voting for Clinton.  I consider George Bush's
>>>stance on gay rights, and human/civil rights generally, to be immoral.
>>
>>Others like me consider homosexuality to be immoral, illegal and
>>disgusting. I believe the majority of Americans agree with me.

>Not unless the majority of Americans are idiots.  First of all, it's
>clearly NOT illegal.  
Sodomy *IS* illegal in some states.  (So they have dumb laws, what can I
say).  And an Oregon city has passwd an anti-gay ordinance.  (Ok, another
dumb law).  So the *act* is illegal some places.

>Secondly, you may be included in tomorrow's despised group.  It will 
>probably take the act of soldiers coming into your house, tearing it 
>apart to search for illegal drugs without a warrant, beating you 
>senseless, and leaving you to die before you realise that civil rights 
>protect EVERY American, not just today's minorities.

Nah, he won't ever realize that....even then, I suspect he'll think it's
good for him...

 -Steve
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