From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: The Holden Phenomena
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 27 Jul 92  18:29:52

tag: Ted Holden (From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news))
 
TH> "[rants removed for space] There is no reason to believe
TH> that things were ever different regarding choosing objects
TH> of worship. In our present system, the only three possible
TH> candidates for celestial deity are the sun, the moon, and
TH> Venus."
 
A factual mistake of which you have repeatedly been corrected,
of which you have repeatedly ignored. The Greeks had Gods for
all of the known planets and lumararies. Many (most!) Native
North Americans "worshiped" Serius, and used it to time their
rituals, but have no God matching Saturn or Jupiter. Commets
were also divine in origin.
 
TH> "And yet, just 4,000 years ago, [Jupiter and Saturn] were
TH> the two chieftain Gods in every nation on earth, every
TH> religion on earth... the two most feared entities in
TH> existence."
 
That is yet one more mistake you have made that has been
corrected here half a dozen times, and you have repeatedly
ignored. Why do you not learn some mythology before speaking
oh so authoritatively one it?
 
Hopi Indians did not have a God resembling Saturn or Jupiter.
All South Pacific Islanders did not have a Saturn God, though
some could slightly match Jupiter if one wants to streach it
(i.e. Jupiter is the Lord Thunderer responsible for Earthquakes,
and might match a volcano God if one wants to push the comparison).
 
TH> "Given present realities, this not only makes no sense,
TH> it is impossible."
 
Given the fact that I can see Jupiter and Saturn on a clear
night, it not only makes sense, it is utterly possible. Since
these people knew about these planets, it is obvious that it
was NOT impossible!
 
TH> "Hesiod and Ovid both speak of a golden age, when Kronos
TH> (Saturn) was 'king in heaven.' For those of you who haven't
TH> ever been able to fathom that phrase, it means when Saturn
TH> was our sun. That's what 'king of heaven' IS."
 
In your bent reasoning, sure. That's =YOUR= interpretation,
which is wrong because it is impossible. The facts proving
that it is impossible have been presented to you many times,
and you have repeatedly ignored them.
 
TH> "I have claimed that this planet [Earth] once orbitted a
TH> small electromagnetic star, one pole forever pointed straight
TH> at that star, animals on the earth feeling gravitational pull
TH> not only of the earth, but of the star as well. Only this
TH> allowed the giant antediluvian animals."
 
You have been presented with the refutation of this bizzare,
impossible claim. You have rtepeatedly ignored them. For a body
to be close enough to effect such as small mass as an animal,
that body would have to be so close to the Earth that Earth's
atmosphere would be torn off! What you are asserting is not
possible. Earth animals could not evolve on the barren waste
your mental delusions create.
 
TH> "According to standard theory, the familiar pattern of
TH> the seasons whould have been with us since long before
TH> anything man lived on this planet. The notion of having
TH> to EXPLAIN the recent coming into existence of the ordinary
TH> cycle of the seasons is impossible given standard beliefs."
 
Since we have records of yearly cycles going back many millions
of years, in ice core records and sea coral records, your inane
claim that the seasons are "recient" in origins is refuted. You
have been told so, and presented with the fgacts that refute
that claim of yours, yet you repeatedly ignored them.
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