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From: SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET (linda)
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:44:00 GMT
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>>I mean people being eaten and killed against their will.

>        As opposed to being eaten and killed according to their will I guess.

as a vegetarian, i am opposed to killing and eating as well as eating and
killing. i'm not thrilled w/being eaten and killed either. i could get dirty
here, but i'll restrain myself.

-linda
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:24:53 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: More Persons Stuff

Hi, Larry -- and anyone else who might be listening in :)

>>> Now many people use the words "sensitivity", "empowerment", and
>>> "disadvantaged" without bothering to explain what they mean.

And don't you just *hate* that?  I do -- almost as much as I hate it when
people use the words "political correctness" and "liberal" without
explaining what *they* mean :)

>>> At the same time many words that used to be perfectly acceptable
>>> have fallen into disfavor or have been banned from public speech.
>>> Such words and phrases as "divorcee", "indian", "unwed mother",
>>> "lesbian", "Negro", "stewardess", "meter maid", and "waitress" are
>>> no longer used in public speech.

>The words "lesbian" etc are still used in colloquial speech (slang) by
>many people, but not by the national media. These words all have
>politically correct equivalents. Neutered words such as "server" and
>"flight attendant" were not widely used in the past.

When the holders of those jobs were women, there was no need for a neutral
term to describe them.  Of course, if we value tradition more than accuracy
(you know, like continuing to use the term "chairman"), then we should call
the guy who hangs up garment bags on the plane a stewardess and the young
man who serves the wine a waitress.  Why should they object to that?  I
wonder what an obstetrician would say if I were to call him/her a midwife?
And I think I'll try out "barber" on my dentist next week :)

I just read a brilliant piece by Douglas Hofstadter : "A Person Paper on
Purity in Language", from _Metamagical Themas: Questing for the Essence of
Mind and Pattern._  His satire makes the point far better than I can.

Kerry
who declines to try out "meter maid" on the campus cop who writes parking
tickets
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:25:33 -0400
From:         "Alexander saw the breath of his domain and wept for there were
              no more worlds to conquer" <STUSTARNES@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      The morality of nuclear deterence

I really appreciate that for my first posting not one person had anything to
say on it. Not a very good intro for a new e-mailer. I thought I would give
it another shoot, so here goes.

_______________________________________________________________________________

        I thought I would throw this out for discussion. We are discussing this
in one of my classes. I was wanting to get a broader based perspective and
might even use some of your arguements in my paper. The basic question is this:

        Is the mutually assured destruction (MAD) deterence stratgy a morality
                correct/viable one?

        If so, what do base you opinion on?

        If not, what do you base your opinion on?

        Please site the particular philosophical line of think that you are
following.


                                                Richard Ray Starnes
                                                STUSTARNES@EKU
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Subject: RE: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:03:00 GMT
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        Good question, Carl.  Please try to find out.  If you can then we
will all be watching you on television quite a bit and reading your books.
Everybody's got theories.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
I'm quite serious.  It's a good subject to study.
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From:         welcome to the faith dome explosion <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VP debates
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>Wow! Am I the first to write a message about the VP debates.

Nope, my esteemed (and tall, did I mention he was tall?) virtual running
mate got in just before you (by *thaaaat* much).  Good analysis, though.

(even though I clocked in third, i still had the coolest subject line)

>Lance

Gary W. Olson                "My lips may promise but my heart is a whore"
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:06:00 EST
From:         JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'
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In article <tfilt348686@drew.edu>, todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET> writes:
>>yes the definition of a crime would be helpful.  Usually the death
>>penalty arises when the crime caused a death or maybe indirectly would
>>(talk of death penalty for major drug dealers).  Shooting a store
>>owner in the leg to rob his/her store is using a firearm in a crime,
>>but the death penalty seems a tad harsh.
>>
> Lemme get this straight.  A drug dealer is arrested with a gun in his
> car and should get the death penalty, but a looter deliberatly shooting
> a clerk shouldn't?  Is there any logical reason for this?  Or am I
> missing something?
>    toddddddddddddd
>> -Joe

yes you are missing something.  Now it goes without saying (;-)) that
I'm against the death penalty, but there is a difference here. Assault
and battery is not the same thing as being in control of millions of
dollars of worth of cocaine.  Shooting a person in the leg is not as
bad as saying gang raping someone or heck raping someone, but is the
death penalty ok for rape?  The death penalty is meant for a deterrent
against murder, not assault.

   -Joe
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From:         MARTIN FOX <FOXML@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      _Wings of Eagles_

I hate to bring this up, but I read (About 5 years ago, the book _On Wings
of Eagles_, by, if I remeber correctly Ken Follet and about Perot's hostage
rescue thing of some of his employees.  I enjoyed at the time, as I was
an ignorant, and pretty much unthinking 8th Grader (God, I'm glad you don't
have biases against age....).  My memory of the book is rather hazy.
  If I remember correctly , this is the book that Perot volunteers had to read.
And, if I remember this correctly as well, the hostage rescue was due primarilly
     to the luck of 1 employee of Perot.
 - In other words, it wasn't all that complimentary (although it wasn't negative
   ) of Perot.  So why did he have his staff read it?

-Martin
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:39:27 EDT
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Subject:      Re: On the death penalty once again ...

Yes, it is true that our fellow brutal theocracy, Persia, is the
only other nation to follow God's will directly, without the mitigating
interference of human mercy or sanity, and execute children and mental
defectives; but, rest assured, we will follow God's Plan better still,
because capital punishment will soon be in the hands of the *private
sector*
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From:         welcome to the faith dome explosion <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      michelle e. olson
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That, apparantly, is my new name, according to the Republican National
Committee.  They sent me a fundraising letter (signed by Rich Bond, the
Chairman, no less - be still my fluttering heart) telling me how they just
knew in their hearts of hearts that I wanted to kick them goodfurnuthin
low-down pinko lifetime democratic congresscritters out of office and replace
them with godfearin flag-wavin funky-chunky-butt republicans who'll have a
go at big gubbermint with grandma's nuclear chainsaw.  Or something like
that.

They even gave me a nice card, about the same size and shape and thickness
as a credit card, only no magnetic thingie on the back, that would identify
me as a Republican National Committee Sustaining Member.  If I ever developed
severe brain damage and decided I wanted to visit the National Committee
Headquarters in Washington DC, I am to, and I quote from the back of the card,
"provide this card for proper identification."  I am not making this up.
This'll probably be bigger than that Pepsi "gotta have cyndi crawford" card.

But, there remains a large obstacle, in that the card, and all the stuff that
was sent to me, bears the distinct name "Michelle E. Olson."  The address is
correct, and they seem to think I'm das republikaner incarnate.  I mean,
even Jimbo gets my name more accurate than that...! :)

You know, I could use this to my advantage.  Strap a couple bocce balls to
my chest, wear really loose-fitting clothing, use the card to infiltrate the
RNC and write "Newt Gigrich is really Alan Alda gone horribly wrong" in red
spray paint on the walls.

Oh, wait.  They want money before they officially activate the card.  Damn.
Wonder if I can still get 10% off in the souvenier shop.  Hmmmm...

debate's on in 'bout ten minutes,
best get to your tv now...
Gary W. Olson, funk queen of
  Herrin, IL                 "My lips may promise but my heart is a whore"
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU  - Nine Inch Nails, "Last"
21 days and counting down...
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
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Subject: Re: New blood, or just blood
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:37:15 GMT
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:24:26 GMT Andrew Shults said:
>In article <POLITICS%92101312375906@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Jamie
><PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>>Yeah, right. Just what we need, is one more person who is a fan
>>of Rush Limburger, a Christian, and (therefore) "knows" she is
>>right.
>
>     Is it my imagination, or am I the only one who didn't miss the
>(probably) deliberate play on words in that?  I'm hate Rush Limbaugh,
>am agnostic, and therefore know I'm left.
>


Like my former .sig?

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
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Subject: Re: ==> 2nd Debate: Bush Just Doesn't Get It! (Rhetoric vs.
              Realit y)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:13:32 GMT
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              16 Oct 1992 11:03:09 -0700 from <andy@SAIL.STANFOR D.EDU>

On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:03:09 -0700 Andy Freeman said:
>>       The Clinton/Gore plan would cut the deficit in half over four
>> years. The plan includes $104 billion in tax cuts for the
>> middle-class and the working poor, in addition to those making more
>> than $200,000 each year pay their fair share and closing tax
>> loopholes on foreign corporations. [Putting People
>> First]

>Try again.  Taking an additional 5% from the over $200k crowd won't
>raise enough money to cover the promised tax cuts, let alone the
>increased spending.  Even Perot has figured this out.

Which is why I was waiting for the audience to pose this question last night:

Under what conditions would you be willing to resign your position because
you are unable to keep the promises you are making in this campaign?

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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From: dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK ((Dunstan_Vavasour))
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:05 GMT
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In article <01GPW9J8OR5K0007ZK@RHODES.BITNET> you write:
>Carl: >I saw a PBS series on the Aztecs.  Their accomplishments were
 fascinating
>however they are marred by the gruesome acts of human sacrafice.  How could
>they be so barbaric?
>
>How about asking how the Spainards could have been so barbaric?  It amounts
>to about the same thing.

Not to mention the Spaniards - but Jaime would know all about this.

>
>-Martin

Dunstan
From: PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET (Jamie)
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Subject: Re: ==> Dan Quayle: Bush Attack Puppy Unleashe
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:24:31 GMT
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>From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>

>> Quayle resorted to old Republican tactics -- he lied.
>
>Let's see how the Clinton "truth squad" fares and what that tells us
>about the Clinton campaign and positions.
>
>> RHETORIC: "We have never subsidized any country--or any company to
>> move from the United States to Latin America... We do not have any
>> program that encourages companies to close down here and to go and
>> invest on foreign soil.  That is absolutely outrageous."
>
>The US does subsidize economic development in other countries.  Is
>Clinton promising to change that?  If he isn't....

So, just to make sure we have this straight:
Gore said that the Bush administration had recently provided
subsidies that caused a plant in Tenn. to move to Latin America.
Quayle said that was not true, and that it was absolutely
outrageous. But it WAS true.

>The result has been that US EXPORTS to those countries has increased
>greatly and that our balance of payments with them has IMPROVED.
>We're buying more from them and we're selling still more.

What, the Carribean Basin countries?
The plan went into effect a fairly short time ago. Does anyone
have the balance of payments data so soon? I'd like to see it.

>I'm not going to bother with the rest of the supposed rebuttals.

Too bad. I would have loved to see the "rebuttal" of the claim
about Gore's book, for instance.

Jamie
From: TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET (Travis Kidd)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 23:41:00 GMT
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Isn't it funny that Gore believes in the right of a woman to choose
(choose what?  To eat at Burger King over McDonalds?) but not the
right of an employer not to give his employees family leave.

Isn't it also funny that Quayle believes in the right to choose
(schools) while not believing in the right to choose (abortion).

Just a quick note:  Unless the job involves crossing state lines, any
                    federally-mandated family leave act for anything
                    other than federal employees is unconstitional.

Why don't Congress and the President stick to their Constitutionally
defined duties?  (It's hard to ask the same thing about the Supreme
Court, since they define their own duties.)

-Travis
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From:         JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET

>> However, in parole hearings such
>> statements can be considered.

> whoa.  what relevance do they have here?  parole hearings deal with
> the criminal's activity in jail on the most part, not if he
> inadvertedly killed a family man over a bachelor.

I always thought part of the reason criminals are paroled is
that it is better for the society that criminals have incentives
for good behavior and that their gradual release was more
beneficial to the *society* than their sudden release.

Now, part of that "society" are the victims or relatives
of the victims.  In fact the victims are affected *more* by
the early release than any other member of the society.
That is why I think victim impact statements are relevant to
parole hearing.

At any rate, I am strongly against *most* plea bargaining and
then paroles but if you must release them early, at least we
can listen to the victims.

>  -Joe

--KAT
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From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      kneejerk conservatism

oh, man.
in the immortal words of my mom:  "you all."  inflect this with exasperation.
robert, i mean, really.
i think we can count perot out, actually.
i still think that no vote is a wasted vote.

this whole "maybe clinton was a soviet spy-guy" thing is ridiculous.
is *anybody* (well, anybody who doesn't fantasize about rush limbaugh, a
vat of whipped cream, and leather goods) buying this business?
just curious.
anneliese.
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From:         "The Gilded Age is Alive and Well... or maybe it should be the
              Gelded Age" <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Subject

and one more thing... it doesn't matter what anyone says.. the Constitution
says we can have them and until the 2nd ammendment is repealed then we can
own them.. it's in black and white.. of course we could change that rule
and people  wouldn't like it.. but that would lead to violence and guns
and... ooooohhh.. it's so horrible!!


    john stith
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:43:00 EDT
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Subject:      RE: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him admire
              the view

        Chelsea Clinton on crutches?  That's a great chance for Bush to ask
him when he is going to stop beating his daughter.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
Who recently figured out that ANTHLAL stands for Anthropology Lab Anneliese
Lorson.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:13:11 -0400
From:         Andrew Allen <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Aztecs

Carl says:

>   I saw a PBS series on the Aztecs.  Their accomplishments were fascinating
>however they are marred by the gruesome acts of human sacrafice.  How could
>they be so barbaric?

"God said to Abraham,'Go kill me a son,'
Abe said, 'Where you want this killin' done?'
God said, 'Out on Highway 61"

-Pop singer and Biblical scholar Bob Dylan

Thought that it would make your day.

BTW - Carl if it's barbarism you are interested in try reading
Thorstein Veblen (Theory of the Leisure Class is a good starting point);
maybe it will put things in perspective for you.

-other Andy
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:56:55 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'

>        I don't know how many of you have been following the local Middletown
>serial murder case.  This guy lived like an animal for a long time, hearing
>voices and such, wasn't so much tolerated as ignored.  Now that he has
>killed a number of women and young girls, people want him electrocuted.
>It might have been better to have him put in a mental hospital at an earlier
>time, that would have protected his victims as well as him.

We can't do that without his permission these days.

We're not supposed to use the local jail for those purposes either.
(BTW - Are jails really all that less effective at producing mental
illness treament results?  I know that "mental health" professionals
prefer to get the bucks, but is there a difference in outcome?)

-andy
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>and we are solid on the bEEr thing (note not one N, but two E's), and the shoE
>thing (what is your stance on that? do we all need platform shoEs to get your
>attention, or do we short people have a right to the comfort of low hEEls?).
>the N thing is the height of folly.

  The E ticket tries to establish credentials where there
are none, and tries to dismiss those credentials obvious
to the informed voter.

  The JohnsoN/OlsoN ticket was involved in the shoe issue
before the E ticket was ever on the list.  And while the
E ticket talks a lot about beer and supporting local
breweries and micro-breweries, which ticket actively
promotes micro-breweries?  Which ticket brews their
own?  For leadership on the beer issue, look to the
ticket that brews.  And no matter how you spell it,
it's not the E ticket.

  JohnsoN/OlsoN - beer, shoes, ^, logic, history

  The record is clear.  We've scooped Jimbo's Scandal
ticket on scandal.  We've scooped the E ticket on beer.
The other tickets followed our leads on our logic and
history proposals.

  JohnsoN/OlsoN - leadership, innovation

    Vote JohnsoN/OlsoN

                                -Tim
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