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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:50:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <pedant-moi@vadier.gr.osf.org> 
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> >This line is so...
> >
> >>   Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.
> >
> >cheezy. I mean, gawd, 'for my central heating' ! It's almost painful.
>
> Not to mention that "centrale" should be "central".  Oh, I did mention
> it.  Sorry.

No problem.  But I did run to the library to check out
_The Complete Lyrics of Cole Porter_, edited by Robert
Kimball (Knopf, 1983).  "Find Me a Primitive Man" is
on page 85, and there the line is printed:

    Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.

So I guess I correctly remembered a misspelling.  But
then, I never think about central heating in *English*,
so I can't be expected to think about it in French.

Arne

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From: thomas@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: The media, again (was: Why Benson Hedges #2 gay cigarette?)
Date: 14 Aug 1992 01:20:37 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: twink.mips.com

By coincidence, I just heard a report on CBS Radio news that Philip
Morris was going to re-position one of its cigarette brands (don't
remember which right now) to the "homosexual male market" by "advertising
in the upscale homosexual magazine 'Genre'."  The report then said that
the "homosexual community" was questioning this move, and played a
soundbite from a Queer Nation member about why this advertising was
necessary at all.

So much for the facts.  Now... talk about misrepresentation, slanted
reporting, and out-and-out, makes-me-mad bad journalism!

-  Unless I wasn't paying attention, the report consistently used the
   words "homosexual male" and never said "gay" or any other such word.
   I thought even the New York Times was beyond this!

-  Gee... advertising a cigarette in 'Genre' means it's a gay -- uh,
   excuse me, *homosexual* -- cigarette!?

-  I'll bet 'Genre' is happy at the free publicity, but it's upscale
   just because it won't accept 900-number advertising?  Doesn't say
   much about the rest of the market....

-  And someone from Queer Nation apparently speaks for the gay community
   on smoking and advertising.  I'm sure the person didn't present himself
   as a spokesperson, but that's certainly the way it got reported.  And
   how did CBS pick this person?

On one hand, it's somewhat flattering that this even gets mentioned in
the little five-minute hourly news reports.  But, on the other hand, in
this year of "family values" where we're quickly becoming this year's
Willie Hortons, is this yet another way of making Ma and Pa America even
more uncomfortable with us?
-- 
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: For Rob
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:49:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug15.024915.6090
Organization: insert anything here


	Sigh.  I wish I had known Rob better.

	Rob was one of the first motss-folk whose name I recognized.
It was easy since he was the bear that owned the horse...  But I
soon began to look forward to his postings, and I enjoyed exchanging
e-mail with him.

	He sent me a bearthday card once (that's what he called it).
It happened to be a year where (1989) I was a little lonely, and due
to an East--->West USPS snag was the only card that arrived on the
day of my birthday.  Since we weren't all *that* close, it was both
a wonderful surprise as well as an indication of what sort of person
Rob was.  I'm sure that I still have that card in NM...

	We only met once, one night I was in SF.  Unfortunately I wasn't
feeling well and we didn't get to spend as much time getting to know
each other non-electronically as either of us would have liked.

	Thanks, Rob.  You will be missed.  

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Question...
Keywords: Walk a thon
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:11:09 GMT

In article <BtD6r4.89@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
>Hmmmm,,
>     Has anyone here ever organized a walk a thon??  I've just been
>elected vice president of our schools GLB* group and I was to organize
>an aids walk a thon and i have no idea where to start.. 
>
>Thanks muchly,

I work quite a bit with  walkathons and such (bike tours, etc...) as a
Amateur Radio Operator. Such events often employ our services for comm-
unications support. We coordinate and report on many logistical concerns
such as food and water distribution to rest stops, crowd control and  
monitoring of particpants (where are they, are they getting lost, or
having an especialy dificult time anywheres, stray dogs giving them a
hard time, or obstacles, etc...)

I'd be happy to discuss with you what I know of this (I am usually net
control, so I'm pretty well versed in it all) and help you get in touch
with the local Amateur Radio club in the area. I'll bet the local EC
(Emergency coordinator; they usually coordinate the radio folks, we
do this stuff as community service, but ostensibly to train for 
emergencies, like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc.. Where we are a 
vital link in emergency services) can put you in touch with people in
your area who coordinate the local walkathons for some local groups like
MS, MD, March of Dimes, ADA American Diabetes Association)  etc...

Maybe one of those folks will be pleased to volunteer her time helping
your with this AIDs walk... It's something I've considered doing myself
more than once, so let me know how it goes  at any rate...

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.211204.25718@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>  That's interesting. Roy Disney's Santa Cruz 70 (a sailboat) is
>named Pyewacket. I had always wondered where the name had come
>from (I have always thought it to be a great name for a boat, up
>there with _Electric Pumpkin_). Is there anything beyond this? 
>Did Pyewacket have any meaning beyond this movie? Does this say 
>anything about Roy?

The familiars of Agnes Simpson (an alleged witch who was killed in
the 18th century, I believe) were Pyewackett, Vinegar Tom, and Grizzell
Greediguts.

The references I don't have to hand, but I can easily get them (as if
anyone cared).

And, of course, Pyewacket were/are a folk-rock group in the sort of
Pentangle and Steeleye Span mode.

				Kay
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay liberation
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:51:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <7=0m2-b.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>  A friend of mine and I spent hours giggling over it,
> particularly the description of a typical homosexual love scene: 
>
>   A:  Shove it deeper, master!
>   B:  Take it, you bitch! 

You mean that's *not* typical?

Arne, suddenly worried that he's misunderstood what
being gay is supposed to be like

(Note to the sarcasm impaired: add one of my gigantor Smiley
faces here.)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Utopia (was Re: mandatory service)
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:31:53 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <ROBERTL.92Aug13201459@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:

>It's certainly true that the breadth of human nature rules out most
>simple solutions.  

In the long list of impossible things, simple solutions must
surely be at the top, far above the next solution.

>The negative aspects of human nature rule out the simple
>utopias,

I believe the error in this idea is to think there *is* a
"human nature."  There is just nature.

>and the positive aspects of human nature rule out the
>simple distopias (on ethical grounds).

Recalling that the root meaning of utopia is "noplace," the
antonym would be "everyplace" (the AHD does not have an
entry for either distopia or dystopia, btw).  I'd say
distopia *is* everyplace, and rather than being ruled out,
it is universal.  I think the only places where one can get
respite from it are micro-utopias, each lying within the
skin of individual persons, or rarely within communities of
a very small number, even two being rare enough.

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Date: 19 Aug 1992 19:53:01 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug20.021702.19840@wam.umd.edu> 
jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> dear, pristine arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:

*Pristine*?  
 
> > [Arnold Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote that,
> >  yes, he and jacques and dean-token dino sweat and *enjoy* it...]
> > 
> > Oh my.  Well, I don't know if I should feel cheated or relieved
> > that you aren't in my office right now.
>
> My guess: *you* feel relieved, *I* feel cheated.

Oh, I don't know.  You have no idea what it was like in my
office today.  I would have enjoyed some extracurricular
diversions.

> > But Arnold, I was talking about the scenes set in bedrooms
> > (or on pool tables or whatever) in which the protagonists sweat
> > as if they *were* in a sauna or steam room.  They often look as
> > if the makeup people had just hosed them down.
>
> Arne, I'm sure he knew that, but thought you might
> find his sauna story *steamy*.

Oh, well, color me clueless.  

And I did find it *steamy*.  (But how can people breathe
in steam rooms and saunas?  I've always felt that I was
suffocating.)

> But just in case you need another example, I do.
> In fact [I hope arnold is happy to hear], I sweat
> rather easily.  

Put me outside on a warm day and before you know it
I'm as lathered as a pack mule.

>                 Which is fortunate, or vice versa,
> since I agree with arnold on...matters of taste.
> Which is also fortunate because it thereby saves
> my having to retype his article.

Heavens, are you talking about *that* article?  The one
that kept me awake last night for *hours*?

Arne
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Responses to people dying
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:22:55 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <4933@calmasd.Prime.COM> wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM
(Walt Peterson) writes:

>I have lost three friends over the last 12 months to this epidemic,
>but somehow the losses of the net.friends have come as more of a shock
>and a stun.  Perhaps it is because of the rather 'unreal' nature of
>cyberspace that subconsciously, I may expect that nothing bad can
>happen here.

>At any rate, I think that some kind of memorial event is quite fitting
>here for all of our comrades who have gone on.  The "Day Without Art"
>that has been observed in conjunction with at least the last two
>'World AIDS Days' is an interesting idea.  Perhaps a posting
>moratorium could be held in conjunction with the March on Washington
>on April 25.

Gives me an idea.  A few people have mentioned losses from
AIDS among their friends.  Maybe not so much at the March
on Washington (though there too if it would work), we could
do something I found very, very moving when I
was in Washington for the last great unfurling of the guilt
there on the elipse, shouting "Shame! Shame!" at Bush in
his helicopter as he flew over.  That was the reading of the names.

At the next con, wherever and whenever, maybe if each of us
who has at least one friend (not necessarily a motsser)
would either read or let another person read their list.  I
have 49 names on my list now.  It will be longer by next
year.  I volunteer to collect names for those who may not
want to read or who wouldn't go but who want their friends
remembered.

Several people have written me that they can't bear to make
a list.  I understand that, of course.

>In any event, I'll always remember Rob and Randy and all the others
>whether there is a memorial event or not.  I'll remember them and miss
>them.

Me too.

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:35:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.203531.24417
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <15789@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>Let's hear it for the oral tradition! I hereby offer to educate any of
>>you young folks in the finer points of the oral tradition.
>What makes you think we need it? :) :) :) :)

dunno, I might ask that question myself.

What makes you think you won't enjoy it?

Nelson, queer C++ consultant (private joke for FJ)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:32:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.010523.29473@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	The point of the pink triangle, the rainbow flag, and
>by association, the freedom rings is to give GBLO*-folks and
>GBLO*-supportive folks the ability to be visible and to recognize
>the presence of the GBLO*-community in the mainstream world.

Funny, I thought the point of the freedom rings was for somebody to
make a lot of money off of a fad.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Colonel Gilbert and his wife, Louise, came in after dinner; both of them had
wooden legs, with which they could do all sorts of entertaining tricks.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: in the deanery
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:20:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug15.062047.13246
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

"Oh."

Markus Kiser from CH is staying here and we spoke briefly on the Zwicky topic,
and the Dean token was mentioned.  Markus mentioned that he worked with the
Dean token, whereupon I related to him what the Zwicky had been doing with
the Dean token.

I'll have to clear up the confusion in the morning...

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Subject: Thanks for having a great time!
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 11:26:51 GMT

After my return from my first trip to the States, the Swiss branch of
soc.motss is now open again.

After 4 weeks of Summer holiday and 13 domestinc US flights I safely
returned to Zurich this morning. My head is filled with lots of nice
memories and many, many impressions that I will eventually write down
in a travelogue and post to soc.motss.

I'd like to say thank you (in order of appearance) to Joseph in San
Jose, to Mike and Jim in Los Angeles, to Maria in San Francisco and to
Steve, Tony and Ron in Boston. Thanks also to the motss crowd at the
con in Portland (not to forget the organizers of the con) and the
motsseurs at the dinner in Boston (for being the invited guest who
actually had a chance to be there :-).

You all contributed to me having a wonderful time in the States.

Hugs
--markus
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.atheism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Mom & Apple pie as a campaign issue (was: A question)
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.201538.11505@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>I think the whole point of "traditional family values" not including gays
>would be the redefining of the word. As you know, tradional family refers
>to a male-female relationship. With the Liberal approach, tradional family
>would begin to include homosexual relationships which the Republicans
>(and myself) do not want.

Look, they even came out  and *said* that   'family values' vary  from
person to  person and family  to family!  With  that  in mind,  how on
earth can they use this as a campaign issue?   I mean it's like saying
"We're the mom and apple-pie party, vote for us!"

What they *REALLY* mean is that though different people have different
values  -- theirs (Republican ones) are   better.  Look at Mrs. Quayle
telling about how  so many people  in the 60's had 'traditional family
values.'  How not  many people  really did  'tune in' and  'drop out.'
... How people served their  country by  being drafted (she  must have
forgotten about that special deal for her husband) ...

And  the  idea of 'family  values' including homosexual relationships.
It's all BS!  They add the word  'traditional'  ... It's their  way of
getting support from the religeous right and everyone else at the same
time?  Don't know  what to say?  Say nothing  but make  it  sound like
something!

Family values my ass!

	
	Anybody but Bush in '92!
					reb
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:10:15 GMT

his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:

>In article 714141992@jfred, wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>> He was named for his father, Jack Robert Bernardo.

>Are you sure?  That goes against Jewish tradition.  Jews name in honor of those
>who have passed on.  I trust someone soon will be named after Rob...

Yes, I am sure (saw it on the gravestone).  His father's name was Jack Robert
Bernardo.  The family was Sefardic, so perhaps their traditions are a little
different.  I don't know.

By the way, I didn't mean to imply that Rob's name was the exactly same as
his father's.  It was simply "Robert Bernardo."

As for naming a child after him, well if I were straight I'd name a son
Robert.  But if I were straight, chances are I wouldn't have even met him.
Glad to be gay ...

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
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From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Anyone else see the 'Lady Haynes' commercial?
Summary: Gays in advertising
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:53:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug23.125323.4349
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

A few days ago I saw a commercial for Haynes underwear for women. I
saw the beginning part from the dining room, so I'm not certain that I
caught it right, but this is what I -thought- I saw...

Opening scene:

Woman sitting at a vanity table, shirt half off wearing a bra. Another
woman standing beside her stroking woman #1's shoulder.

Later, in a section for 'footies' (You know, the little socks):

Lots of covers like in a bed, and two feet wearing different colored
footies rubbing against each other. Obviously women's feet.

Someone else please confirm this. I hope I wasn't just seeing things. :)

Scott



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:35:45 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Actually, it matters quite a lot.  The dozen or so straight people who
>know I'm gay were surprised and quite hard to convince.  The uniform
>remarks I heard were:

>3.  "If more gays acted like normal people, I don't think that society
>     would have such a problem with it".
>4.  "How come [feminine gay name] has to act like that?"

   Yeah, come hang out in the Eagle with the rest of us "effeminate"
queers.  I'm sure you'll get a kick out of that.

   Truth to tell, I stopped by the Timberline tonight (all by myself, a
first for me!  I'm getting courageous in my old age), our local meat
market, and I didn't see very many of the nelly, campy queers you
complain so loudly about.  Tell me, Bob, when was the last time you
were _anywhere near_ the Gay/Lesbian community of Seattle?

>However, if you stand up for your rights in a t-shirt & shorts, or in
>a business suit, that is AT LEAST as effective as doing it in drag.
>Actually, probably more effective.

   T-shirt: SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE STRAIGHT.  Blue Jeans.
Sneakers.  Walked the Pride Festival in that.  But that's not the
point.  That's who I am, unless you want to see me in my leatherfag
drag, which for me is simple nudity, and I'm not brave enough to do
that outdoors, I'll admit.

   But _that's me_.  I'm not going to ask my friends to do the same, to
put their personal souls on the shelf in the name of respectability.

   You're really missing the point, aren't you?

   It comes down to one thing for me, and one thing only.

   CONSENT.

   The gay and lesbian movement is the first one to successfully and
powerfully argue that The State, and by extension, "society in
general," should not have the right to interfere in the private,
consensual decisions between two human beings.  Making consessions to
"normalcy" is surely political suicide.

      Elf !!!
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