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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is in a name?
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:10:13 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Ariel" == Ariel Mazzarelli (mazzarel@hilbert.berkeley.edu)

Ariel> rec.sport.football.international ?  Abbreviate if necessary.

And have a zillion US college student assume that this is the
place to discuss gladiatorball outside the US? (There *is* a European
gladiatorball league, btw).

Stop it. It's rec.sport.soccer, and while not ideal, it's quite good
enough and servers the purpose of unique identification well. There
must be subjects more worthwhile of your time.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ccx020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James Nash)
Subject: You signed the wrong player!
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:51:39 GMT

Firstly, can *ANYONE* explain to me why Manchester City sold Michael
Hughes? Secondly, can *ANYONE* explain to me why they sold him for
450,000 pounds. Thirdly, can *ANYONE* explain to me why all Wimbledon's
defenders are now valued at 2.5 million pounds?

IF I HAD BEEN Peter Reid, and I had to sell Michael Hughes because he
wanted to leave desperately, I would have settled for no less than
1.2 million pounds. I would **NOT** have sold him to a French club
who i) thought they were signing Mark Hughes of Manchester United
ii) were cheapskates iii) who would cut the price down to less than
half a million.

If I *WANTED* to sign Andy Sinton, but could not afford him and had to
settle for Rick Holden, I would ***NOT*** have sold my club's most
promising young player because he happened to play in the same position.

If,...

Jim.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Player availability (was Re Uruguay)
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:23:29 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <9208201354.AA09714@pippin.cs.umu.se>, dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
> All Swedish pros has a clausul in their contracts that says that their club 
> has to pay a heavy fee if they try to stop the player from playing for Sweden.

But what happens if the player is picked for, say for example, France?

Alan
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Quick run down on Scottish Premier league
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:18:07 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1992Aug13.095552.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>
>I take back everything I've said Gerry. Now that Deeek Whyte and Chris Morris
>have gone to Middlesbrough in exchange for Andy Payton plus some dosh I think
>Celtic have certainly strengthened their defence. I gather some of this money
>will be used to buy Stuart Slater from West Ham. Is he the famous striker 
>who scored 2 goals last season ??
>
>Talking of strikers on the move Chelsea have got a good signing in John Spencer
>from Rangers for 450 000 pounds. He never made it to the Rangers first team
>but always banged in a lot of goals for the reserves. It was only the form
>of SAlly and Hateley which has kept him out. He will be joined by another
>ex-Ranger at Chelsea, Robert Fleck who's signed from Norwich. Maybe they'll
>provide some chances for Tony CantScoreAGoal.

The point you forgot about Sandy is that Celtic first team regulars who are
internationals go to second division English clubs while a youngster in the
Rangers reserves who has played only a handful of games for the first team
goes to a big London first division club. There lies the basis for five in a
row - quality in depth which Celtic haven't got.

--
Scott Jackson
Spider Systems Limited                NO-ONE WANTED PAUL McSTAY!!
Edinburry
Sco'lind
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English News: more midweek results
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:38:25 GMT

tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:


>Premier Division:

>ASTON VILLA 1-1 LEEDS UNITED

>No details, sorry!

Villa went ahead late in the second half with a goal from Dalian Atkinson,
Gary Speed levelled the scores a few minutes from time. Judging by the
Radio commentary (on the "Gary Lineker Show" :-), it was a reasonable game
and a fair result. 

Cheers,

	Sean B
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer on satellite
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:39:35 CST
Followup-To: bpalsson@smail.srl.ford.com 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

It would be great if somebody can post the schedule of soccer broadcasts
on satellite ahead of time. Can anybody do that?

-- 
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From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:09:51 GMT
Reply-To: fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.


>> As a Syrian, I grew up worshiping the Argentenian soccer cuz my whole body
>> shakes when they are playing.  When watching these guys play, I get the
>> feeling that a lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands.
>
>Well that would explain a lot :-) :-) :-).
>
>Alan

Well.  Could you further explain what you meant?
What does the fact of me being Syrian have to do with me worshipping the
Argentinian soccer?
If NewZeland played the same soccer, I would have probably liked theirs
as well.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name    : Fuad Joe Khoury
E-mail  : fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

**************************************************************************
*---> The Sky is Light blue with white, so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA.<---*
                and the king ***DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA***

Members of the ARGENTENIAN national team that won the World Cup 1986:
22- Nierie Pompido            GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
5 - Jose Brown                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
2 - Daniel Batista            Mid-fielder
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
12- Oscar Henrique            Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain" "Award of Best Player"
4 - Claudio Borgie            Attacker
11- Jorje Valdano             Attacker

Members of the ARGENTINIAN national team, the runner-up, in World Cup 1990:
12- Goycitechia              GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
20- Juan Simon                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
18- Serizuella                Defender
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
4-  Daniel Basualdo           Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain"
8 - Claudio Canegia           Attacker
6 - Calderon                  Attacker
**************************************************************************

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From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: *** MARADONA (present & future) ***
Date: 21 Aug 1992 07:04:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spam.berkeley.edu

>Where do you get this figure?  If Diego is payed to play,  and he doesn't
>play,  then he doesn't get payed.  There might be some small monetary
                            ^^^^^

Obviously the effects of watching Dan Quayle's speech haven't worn off yet.

Ariel
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:11:58 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>make it to the second round...As for Paraguay, I do not think they ever quali-
>fied to the finals in recent history; 

They were in Mexico '86. Made it to the 1/8 finals in a group with Mexico and
Belgium (I do not at the moment remember the fourth team). 2 goals by Lineker
(and one by one of his teammates) gave them the ticket home.

The game again Belgium was an entertaining 2-2 draw (but I'm always entertained
when I see Belgium play in a World Cup). The match versus Mexico was most
remembered for Hugo Sanchez missing a penalty and the Paraguaian goalkeeper
trying to run a round of honour after the match, fortunately one of his 
teammates dragged him into security.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla)
Subject: Re: Reply to Senior Carlos' (Francis)
Keywords: god bless south-american soccer!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:31:58 GMT



>Size of country has no place in this subject, just as size (as I 
>believe you pointed out) has no meaning on the field. Talent is talent.
>====================================================================== 
> 
       (stuff deleted)
>
>====================================================================== 
>
>
>how many more excuses will you come up with for your Argentina, besides 
>size? There are still (3) countries ahead of you!  And Italy certainly 
>is not a giant!  Nor does it have giant players (physically speaking, 
>of course).
>

francis,

you're confusing fuad's point; i believe he didn't refer to the SIZE
(territorial extension) of argentina.  what he pointed out was the
size in population that, as you may know, it's an IMPORTANT FACTOR 
for any statistical/analytical purpose (including soccer!).

i agree that fuad is `too devoted' to argentina's soccer, but let's 
agree too that he's making an important point here.  more population 
means more professional leagues, more teams, more players, more money, 
more competition, more from where to choose (specially in countries
where soccer is a very very poplar sport, i.e. italy, brazil, germany,
etc.).

and you're right, italy is smaller in size than argentina but it's
population is TWICE BIGGER than the south-americans.  and for the same
token germany is THREE TIMES BIGGER (in population) and brazil is
SIX TIMES BIGGER than argentina.

so we're talking here about countries that, following statistical
projections, should have two, three and six times BETTER soccer record 
than the argentine, but they don't!  if you make a serious effort to 
think impartially, you'll find out that, even its small population the 
argentinians have managed very well to be head-to-head with the soccer 
giants, and that's what probably is making fuad (and every argentinian 
fan) so devoted (proud/crazy/fanatic/etc.) about their soccer.

i'm not pointing out only to the number of world cups (because uruguay
is THREE TIMES SMALLER than argentina and it has 2 w/cups too!), but to
the fact that argentina has produced through its entire soccer history 
players of exceptional quality, starting with stabile (top scorer of the
1930 w/c), + di steffano, + sivori, + kempes, +etc, +etc, + etc.

so, beside the fact that europeans may think of them as too fanatics, and
other latin-americans as too arrogant you have to start thinking that
this people near antartica have something special, `a privilege' or a
talent, that helps them to balance soccer QUANTITY with soccer QUALITY.

a fact of life, take ...or take!  :-)


ruben mazzulla
From: maura@pyra.co.uk (Maura Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Arsenal Mural (was Maidstone Utd.)
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: maura@pyra.co.uk (Maura Clark)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

In <0095F459.DB89DE00@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:

>On a totally unrelated subject, I saw on breakfast news this morning that
>Arsenal are going to alter their mural, after complaints from many quarters
>that there are no black or ethnic minority faces shown in the crowd. There
>are probably no away fans shown either.

Or women, for that matter. 

According to the FT they are going to alter it. Smacks a bit of shutting
the stable door ....

Maura.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: NMETRO@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Nick Metrowsky)
Subject: RE; New rules in Olympics
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:17:09 GMT

I like soccer (Football) just the way it is and so do many Americans. I
cannot believe FIFA would make such a change; though, having some World
Cup games being played inside a domed stadium is very irregular! Maybe
WC '94 exposure to the United States may help show the American Audience
that the game should be left alone.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla)
Subject: ** is rudd gullit south-american? **
Keywords: god bless south-american soccer
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:00:59 GMT


i mean born in suriname (south-america).  i have conflicting info
about it.  first i heard that he was born in suriname and moved to 
holland when he was a little boy.  then, i read he was born in europe
but his father was from suriname.  but last week-end while i was watching
some sport tournaments going on in holland it was a runner from suriname 
and the commentator added -"..the land of holland's #1 soccer star: rudd 
gullit".  

is that true?, is gullit south-american like d'steffano, pele & maradona?


ruben mazzulla
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Subject: Man. City vs QPR result ?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Tx
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:25:15 GMT

Could somebody post the result of the above match ?
I always try to keep all the scores in the English 1st (now Premier) Division.
--Thanks.
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CRICKET : Pakistan/Imran Khan                      |    Austin, TX 78745    |
SOCCER  : Manchester United (England)/Bryan Robson |TEL#(512)-444-7076 :home|
TENNIS  : Stefan Edberg and Steffi Graf            |    (512)-891-8342 :work|
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From: agd@tcom.stc.co.uk (Alastair Doggett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Small point
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:45:33 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Aug18.075551.11962@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>See what we told you, Celtic won a game so Gerry's back. Make a setence out
>of the following words:
>
>"weather", "supporter", "fair", "A"
>

    Tssch, Scott, you should bear in mind the learning difficulties of your average
Celtic part-timer, I think that little problem might be a bit difficult for them.
How about "A", "fair", "weather", "supporter" - still enough of a challenge I
reckon.

>
>In article <24917@castle.ed.ac.uk> eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
>>
>>   Though Sandy "Sandy" McKinnon and Scott "Scotty Wacko Jacko" Jackson 
>>have ridiculed my Premier forecasts for this season, I can now be rest
>>assured that Celtic's strengths do lie in defence on the grounds that
>>they now have the best defensive record in the Premier League.

   Defence - nah, what about attack.  What I'm a tad worried about is that Brady
has finally prised the wonderful Stuart Slater away from West Ham, his goal scoring
record for the Irons was pretty poor, but his turn of speed, jinking runs and creation
of goals can be awesome.  I've seen him destroy so many teams with his devastating
bursts down the wing, although he claims he'd prefer to play through the middle.
All I can hope is that the Celtic malaise strikes and Stuart suffers such a loss of
form that he becomes homesick and the Hammers can buy him back for a pittance.
Celtic, why did it have to be Celtic.  Oh woe.

>>   Allez Les Vertes!

   Fermez votre bouche.

-- 
Alastair Doggett. <agd@tcom.stc.co.uk> | "A geezer who's out of order  
BNR Europe,                            |    deserves a good slapping,
Oakleigh Road South,                   |      otherwise there'd be anarchy"   
London N11 1HB                         |        - Comms team code of conduct
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Date: 18 Aug 1992 12:46:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Attached at the end are comments by Ariel.  This is an example of how 
arguments start on the net.  you'll note no use of smiley's or anything 
to indicate the *tone* of the comments.

My response to Ariel:

It's sad to think you saw only one thing in my post.

I offered a solution by allowing everyone to input there ideas as to 
what they thought makes a great player.  Nothing more!

I offered players other than Maradona only because he was a topic to 
begin with.  So yes I did it intentionally, NO I didn't do it out of 
bitterness, as I have made positive comments about him anyway.

Those were picks, I also mentioned that it was preliminary and that I 
was working on a final list.

Bye the way Ariel, Italy is my favorite team and my fathers place of 
birth.  That does not sway me to say they are the best.  I'm mature 
enough to be above such behavior.

I love the sport, but I'm afraid these attitudes of late do not reflect 
a love for the sport, but more a condemnation of those that don't meet 
opinions of the posters.

Later
Francis.
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From: Ariel Mazzarelli  <netmail!mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu>
To:  <s947607@umslvma.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1992 8:48AM

Ok,  so first you write up some list of great football player/coaches and
deliberately exclude Diego (yet include two goalkeepers; you are gonna need
two when you play against him!).  Then you write up a little table of world
cup titles and Argentina only gets one.

I get it.  Diego,  and all his accomplishments,  just don't exist in your
memory banks,  right?

Ok,  here's one more entry for your personal tables.  Total national
championships,  Italy:

Napoli: 0.

Sweet dreams,  Francis.

Ariel
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Summary: No to enlargening the size of goals
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:34:40 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

In article <DSTAug17.094903.1136@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>       (...)The goals are very rare and this is also the reason why the
>FIFA is discussing about the subject of enlargening the size of goals to
>give the audience more positive experiences. But the leaders are too old
>to accept anything new there.

Enlargening the size of goals?  That's the worst idea I've heard.
I hate it!  I wholeheartedly hope this crime will be never
committed!  It's disgusting!

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ???
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:28:03 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <mikec.714208042@unixg.ubc.ca> mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.011121.17716@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
>
>
>>For ex, in 1982 South America had 4 hard spots: Brasil, Argentina, Chile 
>>and Peru, and some European team was defeated by New Zealand who attended
>>the Cup.
>
>The group with New Zealand in 1982 consisted Brasil, USSR, Scotland and
>New Zealand. New Zealand did not qualify for the second round. USSR
>has beaten them 3-0, so the only possibility for what you're saying
>is true is that New Zealand has beaten Scotland, which I doubt.
>Somebody to clear it, please ?

Scotland beat New Zealand 5-2 in their first group match. Scotland were 3-0
up at half-time through goals by Dalglish, Strachan and Wark. New Zealand
pulled back to 3-2 until Archibald (Yes, Archibald) and Robertson scored.
We then held Brazil to 4-1 defeat and the USSR to a 2-2 draw and went out on
goal difference. Another Scottish hard luck story.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk  abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     "...but Joe was to belie comparisons to all these
 Edinburry                   men and introduce a new concept to Scottish
 Scotland                    fitba' - a striker who could score a goal!!"
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