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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:36:14 GMT

In article <BzGpB0.K6H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>
>The Cowboys didn't allow a 100- yard rusher for 20+ straight games.
>What rush defense!  Every commentator I listened to said that no one
>needed to run the ball when the pass defense was so horrendous.
>
>Barry Sanders finally broke that streak this season.  He'll rush against
>the Niners.  Up the ante: Ware for 300 yards, Sanders for 100, AND the
>Lions win the game.  
>
I guess we don't even have to play this game.  Congrats Detriot!!  By the
way, which team do you want to play in the playoffs? :-)

>Phoenix won by 10, the Saints better hope the Bucs and Lions upset the Niners
>who also have the worst punter in the NFC (former Buc 11th round pick), rookie
>"Santa" Klaus Wilmsmeyer (very Christmassy).
>
>His bonehead play nearly cost the Niners the Vikings game.  After Ralph Tamm's
>botched snap (who is now injured: some no-name backup tight end just added

Actually, Tamm did NOT snap the ball.  That was the problem.  Our regular
center snapped the ball for the punt without having had any practice.  We
just resigned Thomas, who was our long punt snapper last year.

>will snap) , Klaus should have downed the ball in the end-zone.  Safety.
>2 points- kick-off and a touchdown still doesn't help.
>
Yep.  People in SF are not real happy about our punting game.  Lucky we
don't punt very often.

>What does he do?  Runs it to the 3 yard line!! It's 4th down!!
>Just GIVE the ball to the Vikes (who run it in).
>
>By the way, 49ers.  Bennie Blades has 3 blocks in 3 straight weeks (Montgomery,
>Royals, Hansen)!  Wilmsmeyer will be five after Stryzinski gets his due.
>
>Mark A. Blickhan  ---   Go Lions  --- Where did Eddie Murray wash up?
>


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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Re: Marcus Allen question
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:47:59 GMT
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rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil wrote:
:     I was wondering what the net thought of the Marcus Allen interview
: on MNF.   
: 
:     I noticed that when asked what he did to deserve the "alleged" (sp)
: treatment from Davis he said nothing.  Realizing that there are 2 sides
: to each story I was wondering if the Raiders Fans could give us some
: more enlightning facts about the story.
: 
:     What teams do you think that Marcus can start for next year as the
: main running back? 

--

	There has been a running battle between the two for many years.
	It started over contract hassles, I believe, something Davis
	doesn't seem to tolerate too well. I remember that early in his
	career Marcus complained about not getting enough carries, and
	the club's position on that was that they didn't want to run
	him into the ground by using him too much. I don't think Bo
	Jackson's arrival-and his salary-helped the situation, but as
	far as I know Davis hasn't addressed the issue with Marcus
	in public. I know he didn't answer my letter.
	I've always considered Allen to be a class player, and when
	healthy he still plays well. It seems strange to me that he
	sits when it's obvious they need somebody, ANYBODY, that can
	move the ball up the field, and considering what a prick Al 
	Davis can be I wouldn't be suprised if what Marcus says is
	true.
	Marcus could probably start for Seattle, Denver, Green Bay,
	Miami and others next year. He is nearing the end of the
	line, but some of those "old" guys still have a lot left,
	and a team that needs a good runner that can block, catch
	passes, throw passes, and be a team leader should give him
	a look. They might only get one or two years out of him,
	but they'd be productive years.

	-keith

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:20:13 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:08:55 GMT
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In article <1992Dec16.184921.5565@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>Zimmers writes:

 >>>(Please Lord, Candlestick ONE MORE TIME.....)
 >>
 >>Well, here we agree.  From the current look of things, the Aints need only
 >>dust the Vikings to get chance #3 against their divisional rivals.  And
 >>I for one don't want to see that happen.
 
 >Well, from the current looks of things, my Aints will be hosting the
 >Eagles; and THEN to Candlestick, providing the Vikes/GB don't choke against
 >the Skins.

Excuse me, but you forgot the small fact of a game in Dallas before 
you can pack your bags for candlestick park.

 >
 >>Fortunately, history is on my side, in more ways than one...
 >>-- 
 >>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984

"Survey says"
New Orleans has only beat Dallas once in their history as a NFL team.

Offense:
Advantage Dallas
Defense:
Close to even.
Special Teams:
Advantage Dallas

Anderson is a great kicker but Lin Elliot has come on very strong
as a long range kicker. Advantage Dallas ??? yes, we have Kelvin Martin.

Do the "Shark Dance" !!!!
Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:43:26 GMT
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Nuff said.
From: jmck@druhi.ATT.COM (McKenzieJD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vince Workman Status ???
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:41:18 GMT
Distribution: rec

Does anyone know of a definite status for Vince Workman ??? TV announcers said
last weekend that he should be ready this week, but from past experience I
take what they say with a grain of salt. Has he actually been activated (or
will he be in the next couple of days) ??? If he will be active, does anyone
know if he will start or at least get a fair amount of work ??? I need this
information relative to my fantasy football team and since we are currently
in our playoffs I am hesitant to start him unless I am pretty sure he will
get the ball.

Thanks for any information that can be provided. Please either post the
information to this news group or send me email at jmck@druhi.ATT.COM.

						Jeff McKenzie
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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Come back instant replay !!!
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.002527.21325@wheaton.wheaton.edu> mcelha@david.wheaton.edu (Geoff McElhanon) writes:
>I don't care what anyone says.  Washington did not win, Dallas did not lose.
>They got robbed.
>
>I am referring to the play that resulted in the go ahead TD for Washington in
>the final two minutes of play.  The instant replay seemed clear enough to me on
>two points.

>One call says it all...
>
>  Geoff. 

Clear enough to *you* maybe. As you may recall, one of the problems with the
replay was the general unwillingness of the replay officials to jump in and
reverse a call unless the visual evidence was *overwhelmingly conclusive*.
There were plenty of plays that the fans and/or commentators would have
overturned, the reply officials let stand.

My proposed solution (not practical, I admit): require the replay officials
to make a call, based on what they see, without knowing what the on-field
call was. The option to simply let the on-field call stand would not be
available.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
From: wdavid@unf6.unf.edu (Torquemada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: questions re: TV coverage, expansion
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:11:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sinkhole.1992Dec15.081154.3534
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

>get 2 or 3 games on an entire Sunday afternoon.  The local NBC
>affiliate  (WPTF Raleigh)
>usually rents itself out in one (or both) of the slots for Cher cosmetics
>or some excercise machine infomercial or other shit.  Yesterday the CBS

Geez, I *hate* this... I also hate it when my local station decides
to carry some Tampa Bay game (becuase of regional considerations)
and doesn't pick up whatever game John Madden's doing that week.

>My other question involves expansion.  Does anyone know if and when
>and what cities?  I'm specifically interested in knowing if Charlotte,
>NC has a chance.  Also what conferences and divisions will new
>teams be placed in?  The ESPN interview with Commissioner Tagliabu (sp?)

Depends on if you buy into the one new city/one old city theory. The
local press down here (Jacksonville) figures it's be one old 
town (Baltimore? St. Louis?) and one new, with Charlotte and 
Jacksonville being the two new contenders. Jacksonville has 
a fantastic money deal put together; Charlotte has a bigger TV
market. Word is, we'll hear something around May, but Tagliabu
has said the labor problem needs to be worked out before any new 
teams hit the field.

As for divisions, I dunno. There's been some talk of re-aligning
things to create more rivalry in the southeast. After all, what 
kind of sense does it make for Tampa to play in the NFC Central and
the Falcons to play in the NFC West? 

-Bill
wdavid@unf6.cis.unf.edu
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Answers (opinions?) from Viking fan
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:46:58 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <1992Dec16.193954.10415@data-io.com>, dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM 
(Kent Dietz) writes:
> 
> |> 
> |> 4. What positions, other than QB, do you think MN will be looking for in
> |>    the draft?  I personally think they need to bring in a speed receiver.
> 
> A speed burner (track star Bates from Arizona State (nee Seahawks)?) sounds
> good.
> 

If you're talking about Mario Bates, he's a RB and he broke his leg in the 
second or third game this year. NCAA just granted him an extra year of 
eligibility due to hardship. So don't look for him in the draft, but thanks 
for the thought. Go Sun Devils!


           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:15:10 GMT

It is now early 2nd half in the 49ers-Vikes game and I'm about to rip the TV
set from the wall.  First, we need a QB!  Is there any chance that we'll
be able to draft a decent one?  We do get draft picks this year, right?
Second, I haven't really paid much attention to all of the complaints about
the favoritism shown to the 49ers by the officials, but this is unbelievable!
Let me make it clear, I am not blaming what looks like a possible loss for
the Vikes solely on the officiating... the 49ers offense has played great so
far... I'm just *sick* of these calls, and I have to let out the frustration.

OK, take the 49ers possession right at the start of the 2nd quarter... the 
Vikes come up with a huge sack on Steve Young, they're going to stop them
from getting a TD after they were inside the 20, and they've even pushed them
possibly out of FG range, right?  Wrong... enter the zebras... a mysterious
personal foul which no one saw, including the announcers, (and we get no
replay of course) which gives the 49ers a first down near the 10, leading to
a TD.  This play could have changed the whole game around.  The Vikes were
up 7-3 and had just come up with a *huge* defensive play, but no, this is the
49ers, and we can't have them falling behind for too long, so the officials
bail them out.  Where was the penalty???

Next, late in the quarter Terry Allen is stopped just short of a first down
near his own 30 with a little less than 2 minutes left.  Some big a**hole
49er defensive player first holds Allens legs up in the air for several 
seconds not allowing him to get up, then after he does, he shouts in Allen's
face for several more seconds taunting him.  Allen NEVER DOES ANYTHING... he
says like 2 words to the guy, NEVER MOVES TOWARD HIM, NEVER TOUCHES HIM, 
NOTHING!  What happens?  The zebras, realizing that the 49ers will get great
field position if they back up the Vikes, FLAG *ALLEN* for a 15-yd personal
foul!!!  What the *HELL* was that???!!!  

What are you supposed to do???!!!  It's really tough to get fired up again
after the officials bail out the other team and give them a great shot at
a TD that SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, and then pull this crap with Allen!.

I won't even get into the countless holding plays by 49ers tackles that go 
unnoticed by the officials, while great Roger Craig runs get called back for
holding that we never saw.

Well, I'll stop now to watch the rest of the game.  Go ahead and flame away,
frankly I don't care at this point, nothing is going to make this any worse.

Jim 
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Miami/Bills/Chiefs for #2 spot
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:53:13 GMT

>Therefore, any second place divisional team will NOT have a BYE in any round
>in the playoffs. Only the Rank 1 and Rank 2 teams get a BYE, and they are both
>divisional winners. If Miami finishes with a better record than the divisional
>winners of both the Central and the West, but finish behind Buffalo in the
>East, the best that they would be ranked is #4. They would then, assuming

Cool down a little bit!  Mr. Crew's scenario is: Miami wins 3, Bills lose 1,
which would make Miami the East division winner and the AFC #2 seed. 

Nix
From: hariharn@phoenix.cetinceton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:30:15 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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From: jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer Running Backs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:16:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193148.26132@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>Do any Packer fans know anything about the Vince Workman situation?  I
>understand that the Packer coaches have a dilemma concerning IR moves.
>Has the Green Bay front office given any indication about their intentions?

Workman is eligible to come off IR.  IMHO Moran is slightly more
important at this point.

Question:  if the Packers make the playoffs, will they have any
more free moves from IR?  Seeme like playoff teams play a longer
season, and should be allowed more free moves (once the playoffs
begin, that is).
-- 
-- Jeff (temporarily based at jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:54:07 GMT

In article <27000185@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:

>John is not nearly as obnoxious as some woofers I could mention (for 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>example - Tegger last year).  As a Raider fan in the bay area I have not 
                  ^^^^^^^^^

Gosh, if that's the case, I'm glad I wasn't reading this group last year.


>And as for those of you who are out to bait 9er fans with idiotic statements
>about the team and its players - piss off.

Actually, I haven't really been involved in this whole flame war, so I can't
speak for what others were doing, but in my case it has nothing to do with
the Niners at all.  It has to do with incredibly moronic posts... this flame
war, and mostly JPG, has produced some of the most immature drivel I have
ever seen.  Every post looked like something you would see written on the 
stall in a junior high school bathroom... nothing but four-letter words and
mindless name-calling.  They weren't even intelligent insults, just weak
attempts to flame someone by lashing out with as much profanity as he could
muster.  Maybe I missed something earlier, and that's why I can't figure out
how the whole thing started.  I guess if I did, someone will be right along
to let me know about it. :-)


Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
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From: vrao@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vinay Rao)
Subject: Re: Home field in the NFC
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:54:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.233316.15963@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>
>IF the Niners healthy on both sides of the line, it is unlikely 
>that they can be stopped.  Watters injured, hell we have Amp Lee! 
>The Saints are awesome, but get weak knees playing the Niners. The
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
>  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain

Weak knees, my ass!  I believe the scores of the two games this year
were 16-10 and 21-20.  I don't think the 49ers want to play the Saints
three straight times, needing a win in the game that would count the most.


--
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