HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Receipt or undeliverable mail notification
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products

My users think mail is an instanteous 120% reliable mechanism .... they think
as soon as they send out a message, its delivered.  When a machine is down,
and mail doesn't get delivered in a day (thats what our bounce back is set as),
they think mail is flaky since it takes so long to get it back.

One alternative is to set the bounce-back to 1hr (which I'm leery to do)

Another is to use the Return-Receipt-To: header for critical message ..but
sendmail bounces back with "Returned Mail" .. is there a way to have a
subject of "Receipt"?

Any other way to do this out there?
-- 
Douglas L. Acker

Western Geophysical Exploration Products
Systems Engineer

Email (internal):  acker                Phone:  713-964-6128
      (Internet):  acker@wg2.waii.com
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: RE: GALLIFREY.BU.EDU not accepting mail.
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:40:00 GMT

In <p3svp40@sgi.sgi.com> roberts@nimrod.wpd.sgi.com (roberts) writes:

> Host GALLIFREY.BU.EDU has not been accepting mail for weeks.  At present, I
> have over 100 mail messages bound for GALLIFREY.BU.EDU queued on my internet
> forwarder.  The only MX record for GALLIFREY.BU.EDU points to that host
> itself.  I cannot ping or otherwise contact GALLIFREY.BU.EDU. If
> GALLIFREY.BU.EDU is going to be down for extended periods of time, it would
> be good if an alternate, MX record were provided.  If that host has gone away
> altogether, the A and MX records for it should be removed from the DNS ASAP. 
> 
>         - Robert Stephens          Silicon Graphics Inc.

Well, yes, you're probably right.  But wouldn't it be more effective to 
discuss it with someone at BU, rather than griping about it in public?

Of course, you may have tried, but you don't mention it.

Ric 

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tktran@acs.ucalgary.ca (Trang Kim Tran)
Subject: Internet Mail to ATTMAIL.COM
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 22:41:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I have tried unsucessfully to send mail to the following address
   @attmail.com:mhs!amoco!xxxxx_y_zzzzzz  (The recipient name is
	changed to protect the identity :-)

And i 've got a reject message from mailer @ attmail.com as
follows:

> From root Tue Sep  1 21:28:26 1992
> Message-Id: <9209020328.AA15774@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca>
> From: uucp@attmail.com
> Date: 2 Sep 92 02:51:45 GMT
> To: tktran@acs.ucalgary.ca
> Report-Version: 2
> >To: internet!acs.ucalgary.ca!tktran/O=attmail
> Original-Date: Tue Sep  1 22:51:45 -0400 1992
> Mts-Message-Id: </C=US/AD=ATTMAIL/PD=AMOCO;CHIANJEM 920901225143023181>
> Confirming-Mts-Message-Id: </C=US/AD=ATTMAIL;internet2460326180>
> Confirming-Ua-Content-Id: <ternet2460326180>
> Supplementaryinfo: Unable to deliver mail due to unknown post office
> Not-Delivered-To: mhs!amoco/G=xxxxx/I=y/S=zzzzzz due to 10 Invalid Parameters
> End-Of-Header: 
> Content-Type: text
> Content-Length: 0
> 
> 

Does anyone know why the message was rejected?? Or how to send 
mail to Amoco???
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Trang Kim Tran                 Email: tktran@acs.ucalgary.ca 
  ACS, University of Calgary        
  Tel: (403) 220 6223            Fax: (403) 282 9199
From: nauen@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Mail to ATTMAIL.COM
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:09:00 GMT

In <92Sep02.224155.12832@acs.ucalgary.ca> tktran@acs.ucalgary.ca (Trang 
Kim Tran) writes:

> I have tried unsucessfully to send mail to the following address
>    @attmail.com:mhs!amoco!xxxxx_y_zzzzzz  (The recipient name is
>         changed to protect the identity :-)
>
> And i 've got a reject message from mailer @ attmail.com as follows:
>
>> Supplementaryinfo: Unable to deliver mail due to unknown post office
>> Not-Delivered-To: mhs!amoco/G=xxxxx/I=y/S=zzzzzz due to 10 Invalid Parameters
>
> Does anyone know why the message was rejected?? Or how to send mail to
> Amoco??? 

Well, I've had no problem with mhs!amoco!first_i_last@attmail.com, but 
I've never seen anyone reformat it as you've done, so that might be 
the source of your problem.  If you continue to have difficulty, 
atthelp@attmail.com responds rapidly though not always accurately.  
Sometimes it takes three or four rephrasings of a question before 
they provide workable advice.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: Email Reply Method ( A Question )
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:58:43 GMT

towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes on comp.mail.misc:

)>>>>> On 1 Sep 92 14:59:27 GMT, yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Help Needed) said:
)
)cm> Is there a way to reply mail which is forwarded from AAA@XXX to my
)cm> short term account BBB@YYY such that when the other party gets the
)cm> reply, s/he will still see the reply as from AAA@XXX account ?
)
)  Yes, there is, but without knowing what kind of system "YYY" is I
)can't tell you specifically.  Basically, you can simply insert your
)own "From: AAA@XXX" header, and the mail software will accept that
)(although it will add a "Sender: BBB@YYY" line to point out that you
)are not who you say you are.  Nevertheless, your friends will not be
)confused.

Sorry, I don't think that helps everyone. Berkeley mail (if I assume
that the 4.3 tahoe one can speak for the other ones) does not allow
the user to add any more than {To,Subject,Cc,Bcc}. I have long been
wanting to use a Reply-To with it. Seeing your Message-ID I assume it
is GNUS and so I can assume that you use some sort of mailer that
speaks directly to the MTA. Sendmail doesn't allow From line override
unless the user is 'trusted'.

When will Reply-To become a standard option in BSD mail? :-( Please,
no MUA wars. As much as I love to use vi, I love using mail (ofcourse
coupled with the power of vi).

I would be happy to take a Sendmail rule for that if somebody can give
me one. Till then I guess I will have to use Rnmail for such things. 

)Mark

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: davids@sydney.tps.com (David See)
Subject: AT&T EasyLink <--> Internet
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:29:27 GMT

At the beginning of August I asked the question

	"How do I transfer mail between my Internet account and an AT&T
	 EasyLink (Instant Mail Service) account?"

Thanks to the following people for their help:

	Mark Jackson	(mjackson@attmail.com)
	Alan Toscano	(atoscano@attmail.com)
	Michel Perdreau	(mperdrea@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu)
	David A. Roth	(david@roth-music.com)

The answer is:

	To send mail from Internet to EasyLink IMS, use the address
		62xxxxxx@eln.attmail.com
	To send mail from EasyLink to Internet, use the address
		IPM
		PRIMARY
		COUNTRY US
		ADMD ATTMAIL
		ORG UUCP
		DDA ID-INTERNET!!SYDNEY.TPS.COM!!DAVIDS
		END+
	
Internet to EasyLink works as advertised. I have not verified EasyLink
to Internet yet. Note that in the DDA line, ! is used to escape
lowercase letters. !! is used for a single ! in the address. Thus,
if my username had to be in lowercase, the line would be
		DDA ID-INTERNET!!SYDNEY.TPS.COM!!!D!A!V!I!D!S

David See
(davids@sydney.tps.com)
Telectronics Pacing Systems
Sydney, Australia
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:2909 comp.protocols.nfs:2234 comp.mail.elm:2314 comp.unix.admin:4880 comp.sys.sun.admin:6153 comp.unix.ultrix:6697
From: stan@beldar.ncsl.nist.gov (Stan Janet)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Frequency of NFS lock problems w/ NFS mounted mail spool
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: stan@magi.ncsl.nist.gov
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

In article <AULTJ.92Sep1150109@caleb.rpi.edu> aultj@rpi.edu (Jim Ault) writes:
>We have over 350 client workstations (half Suns, half IBMs) mounting a
>single mail directory (from a Sun) read-write, and all of them forward
>mail to the server for local delivery.  This machine is also used as a
>forwarding machine for mail that goes off campus.  It has not broken
>down yet (but we have been seeing some high loads lately).

Is there some reason you want your clients forwarding outgoing mail to
the server instead of transmitting it off campus themselves? As long as
you put a "Reply-To: <user>@<server>" line in the header, replies should
go to the server, and the server will be much less of a bottleneck.

You'd probably need a way to update all the non-diskless clients'
/etc/sendmail.cf files from time to time, but with so many workstations,
I bet you've already had to find a mechanism to do that sort of thing.

  -- Stan Janet
     stan@magi.ncsl.nist.gov
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: walton@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu (Sam Walton)
Subject: Can someone send me the faq?
Organization: Georgia College - Milledgeville, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:34:37 GMT

Greetings,

I really hate to bother you folks but I haven't been able to find the FAQ
for this group in the news.answers. group.

Specifically, how do Compuserve folks get a hold of me in e-mail. Like I 
said, I would have rather gotten the FAQ.

thanx, sam walton
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sam Walton      walton@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu       "What's the frequency,
107 Hollingshed      AOL: sam452                      Kenneth?"..Transient, 
Milledgeville, Ga    Plink: WALTON                    before assaulting Dan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.os.vms
From: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Subject: Re: Callable VMS MAIL - Where's the Documentation?
Reply-To: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, InfoServer Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:57:19 GMT



In article <1992Aug26.125304.1@lib.haifa.ac.il>, jody@lib.haifa.ac.il (Yosef Branse) writes:
>Over a period of time I have seen postings that mention the callable interface
>for VMS MAIL. Can anyone tell me where the documentation is?  I promise, I've
>looked - we have the VMS documentation set for 5.0, with updates through 
>5.4xx. I fail to find any reference to callable MAIL in the master index, the
>MAIL manual, or any of the programming manuals (system routines, system
>services, run-time library).
>
>Am I selectively blind, or is this stuff artfully hidden away?
>Any pointers would be appreciated. 

	I just opened up Bookreader, and found them in chapter 9 of the
"VMS Utility Routines Manual."  This is the same manual that includes
the ACl, CLI, DCX, CONV etc routines.

	The title page of the Bookreader copy implies that it is the V5.4
version of the manual.

						--Doug

--
Doug Gordon                             gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com
InfoServer Software Engineering         Anything resembling an opinion
Digital Equipment Corporation              is mine and not DECs.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: getting removed from a mailing list
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:44:49 GMT

Hi,

Is there any way to get removed from a mailing list if the list administrators
ignore your request.  I have requested to be removed from a mailing list 3
times over the past several weeks, and am still on it.  (I have always sent
my mail to the -request address rather than the list.)  I am now extremely
annoyed.  Is there anything I can do?

--Robyn


Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: e-mail connection to Chile / Santiago
Keywords: Chile Santiago
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:09:06 GMT

In article <113@nice.hellnet.org> avi@nice.com (avi shai) writes:
>Can anyone provide an e-mail connection at Santiago - Chille ?
Chile has both BITNET and Internet connections, i.e.,

> whois -h nic.ddn.mil cl-dom 
University of Chile (CL-DOM) 
   Fac. de Ciencias Fis. y Matematicas 
   Casilla 2777, 
   Santiago, 
   CHILE 
 
   Domain Name: CL 
 
   Administrative Contact: 
      Poblete, Patricio  (PP91)  ppoblete@UCHDCC.UCHILE.CL 
      +56 2 6892736 
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact: 
      Cid, Victor  (VC)  vcid%uchcecvm.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU 
      +56 2 6893029 
 
   Record last updated on 18-Sep-91. 
 
   Domain servers in listed order: 
 
   NS.UU.NET                    137.39.1.3 
   UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM         16.1.0.18 
   UUCP-GW-2.PA.DEC.COM         16.1.0.19 
   AOS.BRL.MIL                  128.63.4.82, 26.3.0.29, 192.5.25.82 
   NS.EU.NET                    192.16.202.11 
 
   Top Level domain for the Republic of Chile 
___
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix
From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Subject: Re: Frequency of NFS lock problems w/ NFS mounted mail spool
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:39:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.185938.21422@leland.Stanford.EDU> mosedale@genome.stanford.edu (Dan Mosedale) writes:
>However, as I understand it, due to various bugs in various vendors'
>rpc.lockds, this is running the risk of getting one's mailbox
>thoroughly hosed if more than one process tries to write the mailbox
>at once.

How about, "due to various bugs in various vendors' rpc.lockds, said
vendors don't even trust them enough to use them in their own software"?
- As far as I know, neither /bin/mail nor /usr/ucb/mail in SunOS do any
lockf() etc calls, but rather rely on "traditional" Unix locking,
checking for a /var/spool/mail/user.lock file. (I verified this for
/usr/ucb/mail by using trace - it did use flock(), though...)

Of course the lockfile method doesn't really work reliably over NFS
either (but probably better than rpc.lockd:-) - nevertheless, for what
it's worth, I have never heard of anyone getting bitten by this, and
NFS-mounting /var/spool/mail is just about the norm around here (as is
SunOS) - of course the probability of clashes depends on how much mail
you're getting.

The risk is presumably further reduced by keeping time well in sync
between server and client (we use NTP), and by mounting /var/spool/mail
with the 'noac' option. And of course *delivery* of mail should be on
the server only.

--Per Hedeland
per@erix.ericsson.se  or
per%erix.ericsson.se@sunic.sunet.se  or
...uunet!erix.ericsson.se!per
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: kreed@telesys.tnet.com (Kevin W. Reed)
Subject: Problems routing email
Organization: TeleSys Development Systems, Mesa AZ
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:35:43 GMT

We are having a problem with mail routing that apprently the 
administrators at the University are unable to correct.  Hopefully,
someone might have an idea of where they can look to get this problem 
solved.

What is happening is that when mail is routed through the University,
the To: From: and even Reply-To: headers are being changed (mangled would
be a better word).  The result is that when the recipent gets the message
and tries to reply to it, the headers are malformed and cause the messages
to bounce.

My first question is why would these headers need to be changed in the
first place?  In most cases, the addresses are domain style easily 
accessible addresses.

Why the Reply-To header is also changed doesn't make any sense as I 
always thought that this header was intended to go though unschathed.

The University is using ULTRIX V4.2 (Rev. 96) and apparently is using
sendmail.

This problem has been identified since at least January and several
attempts have been made by their administrators to correct the problem
without sucess.

-- 
+-------------+
|   TeleSys   | Kevin W. Reed  ------  Public *NIX Site and Newsfeed Source
| Development | kreed@tnet.com   UUCP:   ...!ncar!noao!enuucp!telesys!kreed
|   Systems   | SCO Xenix/Unix Support       Data/UUCP/BBS: +1 602 649 9099
+-------------+
From: michaell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Lowry)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Software to process mbox?
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:42:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I have a good friend, Anne, who lives in Bordeaux, France. We would
like to be able to send email to each other, but she doesn't have an
Internet address (yet). She does have access to the Minitel terminals
that are common in France. 

We'd like to know of any Internet hosts in Bordeaux, so she could get
an email address.

Also, if there is a way for us to communicate between the Internet and
the Minitel system, that would be great too!

Thanks for any help!

-Michael A. Lowry

	   //
--Michael Andrew Lowry
michaell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
     	//
From: normdec@VNET.IBM.COM (Norm deCarteret 813-878-3994, TL 438)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mail to IBMLINK from Internet
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:19:02 GMT

>How can I send mail from INTERNET to what apparently is  an internal IBM
>network called IBM-LINK?  The account that I am trying to reach is on the host
>WASVMIC5.  This host is not on BITNET nor is it acessible from mail routed to
>the address wasvmic5.vnet.ibm.com, as seemed to be suggested by the guide to
>network mailing.  Does anyone have a suggestion for sending to this host from

A reader called my attentiont o the WASVMIC5 part of this, which I had
missed somehow.  My previous answer is correct, IBMLINK is not available
from Internet, by mail or interactive session.  But the original append
also asks about WASVMIC5:  that is on VNET, not part of IBMLINK, and is
available by mail from Internet by domain wasvmic5.vnet.ibm.com.  If you
know who you want to communicate with there (or anywhere else in IBM, send
mail to nic@vent.ibm.com with whois lastname, first in the body of the note.

Norm deCarteret          normdec@vnet.ibm.com       nsdec@watson.ibm.com
Special Projects         813-878-3994                      fax: 878-3639
IBM Information Network  usibm9aw at ibmmail       bitnet: nsdec at vnet
From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Precedence: header
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:53:57 PDT
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

Could someone let me know what the applicable RFC for information
on the Precedence: header is?  I've tried a number of RFC's but can't
find any mention of it.

Any help is much appreciated.

Rick

--
Rick Vandenberg             rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca
Vandenberg Systems Research For more information about V-MailServer
Vancouver, BC               send a blank e-mail to
                            vmail-info-request@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.ultrix
From: aultj@rpi.edu (Jim Ault)
Subject: Re: Frequency of NFS lock problems w/ NFS mounted mail spool
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
	<1992Aug30.032843.8468@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<LINDA.92Sep1135545@matisse.uni-paderborn.de>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:01:09 GMT

In article <LINDA.92Sep1135545@matisse.uni-paderborn.de> linda@uni-paderborn.de (Linda Floren) writes:

   >>>>> Regarding Re: Frequency of NFS lock problems w/ NFS mounted mail spool; karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) adds:

   Karl> It is decidedly NOT a good idea to have more than one machine on an
   Karl> NFS-mounted mail spool writing >inbound< messages to a user's mailbox.  
   Karl> The various rpc.lockd bugs will bite you if you try this, and Sun has one of
   Karl> the worst records in this area.  The results are hung sendmail processes and
   Karl> mail that never gets delivered.

   We have a network of more than a hundred Sun4, which all mount the
   mail-directory read-write and do local mail-delivery without
   forwarding to the server ( it would most likely break down if they
   did), and we never had serious problems  with this policy.

We have over 350 client workstations (half Suns, half IBMs) mounting a
single mail directory (from a Sun) read-write, and all of them forward
mail to the server for local delivery.  This machine is also used as a
forwarding machine for mail that goes off campus.  It has not broken
down yet (but we have been seeing some high loads lately).

We have definitely seen locking problems between IBM RS6000 NFS
clients and our Sun4 NFS server.  We have received patched rpc.lockd,
and a new kernel with the NFS jumbo patch, but still we have been
having problems with a user on an IBM NFS client typing "q" to get out
of mail, and the process never returns.  Killing and restarting
rpc.lockd sometimes works to free up these processes that are waiting
for locks from the server, but something only a fastboot of the server
will fix it.  It had been working fine for several months (the "q" bug
had disappeared), so we are not sure why it has come up again now.

I will say that we have doing this for several years (since 1987) with a
network of Suns, and we never had this problem until we added IBM
RS6000 NFS clients into the mix.  It still has been a relatively
stable mail architecture for quite a few machines.

Now, however, in the face of such high loads, and the number of client
workstations increasing, we are working on moving to a solution based
on POP, which we hope will allow us to split the load across two or
more server machines (you can't split one directory across two NFS
servers easily).

If you want more info, send me email.
--
Jim Ault, ITS Systems Programmer, aultj@rpi.edu    <><
From: de9150@eecs1.usma.edu (Fretheim Erik CPT)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Need Distant Volunteer to Reply to Email
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:36:59 GMT
Organization: US Military Academy, West Point, NY

I am having my students perform a class project where they send mail 
to an overseas recipient, receive a reply and pick apart the header
information.  It is a sort of a confidence building/learning experience.
Unfortunately my normal mail recipient in Sweden is off on vacation.  If
anyone would be willing to send replies from an overseas site - the further
a field the better - for about 45 students please let me know.  

Thank you

--

Erik Fretheim
de9150@eecs1.eecs.usma.edu
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:2878 soc.culture.cis:49
From: towfiq@Microdyne.COM (Mark Towfiq)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,soc.culture.cis
Subject: Mail to Tajikistan?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:59:57 GMT
Organization: Microdyne, Inc., Westford, MA


  I have a friend who will soon be moving with his family to
Tajikistan (probably Dushanbih).  I was wondering what the present
connectivity there is like, especially if there are any known UUCP
hosts there (I couldn't determine this through searching the UUCP maps
or via DNS queries).  My friend is eager to continue networking, so
any help at all would be appreciated.  Please send replies to me via
e-mail or followup.

  Thanks in advance,
  Mark
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Microdyne.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

O son of man! If thine eyes be turned towards mercy, forsake the things that
profit thee and cleave unto that which will profit mankind.  And if thine eyes
be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou
choosest for thyself.
		-- Baha'u'llah, Words of Paradise, Third Leaf
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc