HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Baby English Lop needs a good home.
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:48:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

I am looking for a home for a baby English lop (the ones with the
enormously long ears that drag on the ground when their heads are down).
These rabbits are among the largest of the lops when grown.

The placement must be as a house rabbit (I can provide information on how
to litter train, how to bunny-proof, etc. and will be available to help
solve any problems that might arise.  The adoptor is expected to make a
lifetime commitment to the pet--e.g., make keeping the rabbit a higher
priority than moving to a no-pet apartment; keeping the rabbit even if a
move is across the country; etc.).  If you are interested, please contact
me:

	469-3240
	or
	att!drutx!njl

Nancy LaRoche
(House Rabbit Society Fosterer and Educational Rep)
Newsgroups: co.general
From: salim@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Salim Alam)
Subject: Re: "Betrayal of Democracy" on PBS, 4/15
Keywords: out of control
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:16:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.153230.2413@mercury.cair.du.edu> kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn) writes:
>[Sorry for the length, but with the way the country is going, I feel
>very strongly about this stuff...]
>
>The special "Betrayal of Democracy", shown on Channel 6 last night,
>was a Frontline documentary about the malaise of the political 
>process and the disaffection of the voting public.  Since there has
>been a discussion here about Perot and the upcoming election, and
>since the show raised a few new points with me, I thought I would
>try to start a discussion about it here.
>
[lots of stuff deleted..]
>
>He also raised the spectre of the upcoming commercial bank bailout scheme
>and showed how the Democrats are just as out of touch as the Repubs.
>But this article is too long already.
>
>What are going to do?  Voting "no" is NOT enough.  I see that very clearly
>now...
>
>sigh
>
>Kip

Well... eliminating PBS is a good start. 

-Salim

Ps: that's a joke
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Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general
From: jweiss@paintbrush.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeffrey Weiss)
Subject: House for sublet
Summary: in Boulder, June 8 -- July 9
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:30:23 GMT

We have a very nice two bedroom furnished house that we would like to
sublet, June 9 through July 8. Great location, Pine St. near 23rd, on
bike route, near buses, 15 min. walk to downtown or CU.  $800 rent and
$800 deposit. Call 786-9963 or email jweiss@ncar.ucar.edu. 
--
Jeff
jweiss@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: co.general
From: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:52:43 GMT

>  Steve Short
>> Gary Strand

>> I doubt Perot is in the race for the good of the country.

> I'm just curious why do you "doubt" that Perot is doing this for the good
> of the country. Why not? What have you seen that would make you think so?

  I think he wants to run the country like he ran EDS, ie, with a strong hand.
  That's not the way it's done. I also suspect that he isn't suddenly inter-
  ested in doing his public service, but rather sees the job as another power
  trip, indeed, the ultimate one. And, he's got enough money to buy it.

>> I take a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be pol-
>> iticians.

> Two things here. First, he is definitely "rich". So what. Would that make
> him a bad president?

  No, but two rich presidents (FDR and JFK) didn't do this country very much
  good, did they? Why should we put our trust in Perot when we don't do the
  same for someone like Iaccoca?

> Second, he is currently NOT a politicians and from what I can see doesn't
> want to be a "politician". He sees a country in other than optimal con-
> dition and thinks perhaps he can make things better.  Maybe.

  Which "better" is he envisioning? Better for himself and the way he wants
  things, or better for all of us too?

> I would be willing to consider him. I would like see him get more involved
> so more information about his views would be made public.

  From what I've seen, it isn't pretty. An analysis of his management style
  at EDS would give a good indication of how he would run the country. Put
  it this way -- he couldn't pay me enough to work for him...

-- 
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: co.general
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Desperate times (was: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy")
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:20:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.222458.24923@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.142926.5672@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>>Yes, but could that be because those manufacturing jobs had artificially
>>high wages (due to unions)? 
>
>If you value a middle class, their wages were not exorbitant.  The
>rich got rich a little slower while the middle class was formed and
>strengthened.
>
>If you don't value a middle class, look at cities which have lost
>their middle classes.  The rich have large estates with private 
>security forces -- the drive-by shootings and other acts of random
>violence don't affect them.  It's the former middle class that has 
>to worry about being shot in their own home.
>
>And this is no longer occurs in just New York and LA.  Even mid-size
>cities such as Orlando have _major_ problems.  (Orlando's "working poor"
>is disproportionately large due to the low wages of the tourist
>industry).
>
>
>Bear Giles
>bear@fsl.noaa.gov
I should have been more clear. When I say artificially high, I
simply mean that they could be done more cheaply elsewhere, i.e.
artificially high in terms of pure capitialism. I did not mean to
imply that there fall is a good thing for America.

Clearly the entire country would be far better off if those
who benifit most from our system were made to pay for more of it.
However, that is another topic. I don't think that the fall of
wages is responsible for these problems per se.

In a global economy such equaluization of wages is inevitible;
I guess what I'm saying is just as the wages for manufacturing
were artificially high, so the tax burder placed upon the
From: jjackson@isis.cs.du.edu (John Jackson)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Re: Denver Area BBSList & News Now Available
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:12:27 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

In article <1992Apr16.154346.5810@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Dave Sim's Ugly Brother) writes:
>
>>     now available on Nyx via the "i"nformation menu, "db" submenu.
>And where is it for the rest of the users?

There is no "db" selection from the information menu.  But I found the file
anyway (I think) kreme:  /u1/doc/bbslist

        John
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Sailboard, bike, etc for sale
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:31:12 GMT

One more time and then I'll give up:

  HiFly 500CS sailboard.  11' long, a good beginner board.  Originally
    $700?, $300 obo.  Includes life vest.

  Wetsuit, of the "sharkskin" design (no nylon cover, better for 
    sailboarding).  Fits me (6'4") and most others.  $50.

  '84 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport, poor repaint job and has seen
    some miles, but has Blackburn rack and water bottle cage, tool
    bag, Silca frame pump, Nice Lite! halogen light, new tires.  $100.
    24.5" frame, I think.

  2 Yakima old style "Road Warrier" mountain bike carriers for Yakima
    car rack.  $50 for both.

Why am I selling?  No time to play anymore.  Everything in used but
good condition.  Free delivery if it's along my usual routes.

David Menges, dcm@csn.org, 303-741-5557.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: Karl.Sierka@Labyrinth.com (Karl Sierka)
Subject: For Sale: MAC SE 19" Mono Monitor, Board and Drivers
Followup-To: Karl.Sierka@Labyrinth.COM
Organization: Labyrinth Computer Services, Boulder, Colorado
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:04:25 GMT




	For Sale -

	19" EHMAN Monochrome Monitor for a MAC SE.
	Includes controller board and driver software for a MAC SE.
	Hardly used.
	Also includes a big shipping box.
	Same DPI ratio as a regular MAC screen, only lots more real 
	estate to work with. 

	      $500.00 or best offer.

Contact: 

Karl F. Sierka					L a b y r i n t h
=====================================================================
Senior Software Consultant			Computer Services
Karl.Sierka@Labyrinth.COM		 	   PO Box 4626
(303)441-8288					Boulder, CO 80306
Newsgroups: co.general
From: speer@partial.cs.colorado.edu (Rick Speer)
Subject: Gary Strand's net-posting (pre-)occupation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:55:57 GMT

Where does Gary NRA Strand get the time for all his
postings about Perot? Does the fact that he works for
the government have anything to do with it? :^)


Rick S.
speer@cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: co.general
From: guyw@knox (Guy Wells)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:13:35 GMT

Gary says:
>  Should you look into his views a little more before you support him so 
>  wholeheartedly? His appreciation of electronic democracy is a Good Thing,
>  but I believe Perot is not worthy of being President, and some of his ideas
>  are pretty scary. Sure, he's different, sure, he's a straight shooter, but
>  what I've read doesn't lead me to support him.

But, man, everything I've read is as close to real change as it comes.
For example, he believes that the constitution already supports a line-
item veto, and he's willing to use it.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm working for the man. We's worthy of your support!

-- 
--
Guy M. Wells <guyw@uswest.com>  Disclaimer: My opinions are mine, no
U S WEST Advanced Technologies  one elses, and certainly not USWEST's!
Newsgroups: co.general
From: gary@isis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Organization: NCAR/CGD/CSCO2 (don't ask!)
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:13:00 GMT

> Tom Parker

  [To me]
> Why do you "believe Perot is not worthy of being President"?

  Because he has indicated a willingness to violate the Constitution in order
  to do what *he* believes needs to be done, and that's unacceptable behavior
  from a President. Indeed, it's illegal and impeachable behavior. 

  I suspect we'll more about Perot's positions soon. Hopefully people will 
  decide to vote for who's *good* rather than who's merely *different*.

-- 
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: co.general
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Reply-To: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.231300.21149@ncar.ucar.edu>,
gary@isis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Strand) writes:
|> > Tom Parker
|> 
|>   [To me]
|> > Why do you "believe Perot is not worthy of being President"?
|> 
|>   Because he has indicated a willingness to violate the Constitution
|> in order
|>   to do what *he* believes needs to be done, and that's unacceptable
|> behavior
|>   from a President. Indeed, it's illegal and impeachable behavior. 
|> 
|>   I suspect we'll more about Perot's positions soon. Hopefully people
|> will 
|>   decide to vote for who's *good* rather than who's merely
|> *different*.

bush & reagan didn't?

laz
Newsgroups: co.general
From: daveh@teal.csn.org (Dave Hughes)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:52:07 GMT


Barbara Dyker sez:
 
>I too would be interested in hearing less biased views on this
>campaign year than those of Gary NRA Strand.
 
Well I offered it here - a link to discussions on Compuserve,
Fidonet, local open, free (and getting very busy) TBBS conferences,
all automatically by TIMS, Binkleyterm, Fido, Ufgate, Netnews,
UUCP hooks. That started running last night properly between
several Colo Springs systems. And with, already, lots of solid
information, plenty of enlightened comments from all over the
country.
 
This is going to end up being a national Fido-protocol, 
Netnews-connected net. Compuserve moderator (VOTEFORUM) David
Bush, who works with the Perot Petition drive in Dallas, called
yesterday as is going to get a node going there. He also said
Perot will be in a chat-conference on Compuserve in the future.
 
No shortage of links to much broader conversations.
 
But my question remains. Do the members of co.general want a
seperate newsgroup on campaigns92, or should I just drop it
and link to national newsgroups?
 
Dave Hughes
daveh@csn.org
Dave Hughes on TBBS 'Perot for President BBS' 719-632-3391
 
Newsgroups: co.general
From: short@neocad.com (Steve Short)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy"
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:17:22 GMT

Gary Strand writes.

>   Besides, I doubt Perot is in the race for the good of the country.

I'm just curious why do you "doubt" that Perot is doing this for the
good of the country. Why not? What have you seen that would make you
think so? Perhaps he feels the same way as many of us in that the 
current choice of candidates sucks.

At this point, I really have no idea who I would vote for in the November 
election if Perot were a candidate, but I do know I sure don't like the 
current choices.

>   I take
>   a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be politicians.

Two things here. First, he is definitely "rich". So what. Would that make
him a bad president? Second, he is currently NOT a politicians and from
what I can see doesn't want to be a "politician". He sees a country in 
other than optimal condition and thinks perhaps he can make things
better. Maybe.

I would be willing to consider him. I would like see him get more involved
so more information about his views would be made public.

I would really like to see a debate between Bush, Clinton, and Perot. 
Fireworks. That'd be great.

Just some thoughts.


Steve
sshort@neocad.com

-- 

Steve Short	short@neocad.com
NeoCAD, Inc.	2585 Central Avenue, Boulder, CO 80301
(303) 442-9121
Newsgroups: co.general
From: saliman@horton.Colorado.EDU (SALIMAN STEVEN)
Subject: Homeless Cat
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:20:23 GMT

Looking for Catless home!  I found a stray two days ago under
my window.  He's healthy and has a wonderful, loving
personality.  It appears he has been living wild for quite
some time, but has known humans before.  Now, I will have
this little fella neutered _and_ tested for feline
leukemia _and_ get his shots.  Your job is to convince me
you'll give him a loving home for the rest of his life.  He's
worth it.  Unfortunately my complex only allows two cats,
otherwise I'd keep him in a heartbeat.

.

-- 
 Steven C. Saliman               Saliman@horton.colorado.EDU
*Thought for the day:                                            *
*               No good deed goes unpunished.                    *
From: milo@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michele Lord)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: EARTH DAY DEMONSTRATION
Keywords: Haitians
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:06:57 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Alpha Institute, Aurora, CO.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*********************EARTH DAY DEMONSTRATION************************
                         April 22,1992

            THERE WILL BE A DEMONSTRATION IN
              SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE OF HAITI

            It will begin at 1200 noon at the
            Federal Building, 19th/Stout in
            downtown Denver.

For further information, please contact:

Iliff School of Theology  (303) 744-1287 ext.241 or

Loring Bush  (303) 744-7991  

****************************EARTH DAY********************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: U S WEST voice mail
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:30:52 GMT

Again using the net as the only consumer tool I know of to spread the
word, and to vent some frustration:

I cannot recommend U S WEST voice mail service.  I like the interface
(Interlink's stinks) and convenience, but it's unreliable:  ~6 cases
per year (that I've noticed) where it's been unavailable to answer our 
phone, and uncountable cases where it's been unavailable to pick up 
messages or just confused (won't clear the message-waiting tone).

Some of you are probably still perfectly happy with it, and no doubt 
U S WEST will work out the bugs.  I've canceled my service, though, 
and am going back to plain answering machines.  They do have a few 
advantages: you can screen calls, and it's more obvious when you have 
a message.

These are my opinions, not my employer's.
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Re: Denver Area BBSList & News Now Available
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:05:24 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <1992Apr17.001227.19553@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jjackson@isis.cs.du.edu (John Jackson) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.154346.5810@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Dave Sim's Ugly Brother) writes:
>>
>>>     now available on Nyx via the "i"nformation menu, "db" submenu.
>>And where is it for the rest of the users?

>There is no "db" selection from the information menu.

Is too!

>But I found the file
>anyway (I think) kreme:  /u1/doc/bbslist

Nope -- try /nyx/lib/menus/info/bbs/*
-- 
Andrew Burt 		   			uunet!isis!aburt or aburt@du.edu

	Disclaimer:  Nobody should listen to anything I say.
Newsgroups: co.general
From: haines@CS.ColoState.EDU (Matt Haines)
Subject: Bike for Sale
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 05:35:45 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

For Sale:

	1983 20" Schwinn LeTour Road Bike
	Excellent Condition
	Great Commuter Bike
	$95 or best offer.

Contact haines@cs.colostate.edu


-- 
Matt Haines                 | <haines@cs.colostate.edu>
Computer Science Department |
Colorado State University   | "Why waste time learning when ignorance is
Fort Collins, CO  80523     |  instantaneous"                   - Hobbes
From: mbarry@isis.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry)
Newsgroups: co.general,du.general
Subject: IBECC Public Meeting
Summary: Free, Open Public Meeting - April Topic is "What is a Virus..."
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:33:19 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: IBECC - A Non-Profit Educational/Scientific Corporation


                        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
 The IBECC April meeting will be held on Thursday, April 9, 1992 at
 the Sheraton Denver West Hotel and Convention Center (360 Union
 Blvd, Lakewood, CO) starting at approximately 6:30 PM and running
 until 8:30 PM.  The meeting will be held in the second floor
 theater.
 
 The April theme is "Now that THAT'S over, what ABOUT Viruses?" - a
 discussion on virus, trojan and other dangerous programs, and what
 you can do to protect yourself.
 
 The meeting is OPEN to the public, and there is NO CHARGE to attend.
 
 Since seating is limited, if you wish to reserve a space, please
 contact IBECC at (303) 426-1847 (*VOICE*) between 9:00 AM and 7:00
 PM daily.
 
 IBECC [A Non-Profit Educational and Scientific Corporation - IRS
 501(c)(3) Applied For] is a Membership organization and sponsors the
 Second Annual International BBSing and Electronic Communications
 Conference (IBECC '92) to be held 13-16 August, 1992 at the Sheraton
 Denver West Hotel.
 
     For more information on IBECC or IBECC '92, please contact:
                 Terry Travis or Michelle Weisblat at
                       *VOICE*: (303) 426-1847
            *FAX*: (303) 429-0449 || *BBS*: (303) 426-1866
                *EMAIL*: IBECC@F69.N104.Z1.FidoNet.Org
         *US MAIL*: P.O. Box 486, Louisville, CO  80027-0486
 
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: gaz@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Randall Gaz)
Subject: Re: U S WEST voice mail
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211507.22824@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender) writes:
>Want to hear something really stupid about US West? We have call
>waiting, and to turn it on, you type #70. To turn it off ... you
>type #70. Even the confirmation tone sounds exactly the same in both
>cases! How do you know if it's on or off? You call the operator
>and have him/her call you back to try it. 
>
>Geez.
>
>(Chris, just close your ears and pretend I didn't insult your employer :-).
>
>-- 
>Rainer Malzbender 
>Post-doc, Physics
>U. of Colorado, Boulder (303)492-1366              rainer@shelley.colorado.edu

The #70 only turns off call waiting for ONE outgoing call. The phone book 
says this right in the instructions.

RLG



Newsgroups: co.general
From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender)
Subject: Re: Perot and "electronic democracy" (was Re: Can we contact...)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:00:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202154.12732@ncar.ucar.edu> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>  Besides, I doubt Perot is in the race for the good of the country. I take
>  a deeply cynical view towards very rich people who want to be politicians.
>  They have something up their sleeve far too many times to be trustworthy.

Au contraire. Of all the candidates I believe Perot is about the only one
who's in it for the good of the country rather than personal aggrandizement.

I'm actually quite comfortable with an *extremely* rich person running for
office - we can be pretty sure that he's not in it for more money! Most
of the financial scandals involving politicians seem to be low- to
medium-income types grabbing for more.

I do like the fact that Perot started from quite humble beginnings rather
than inheriting his wealth.

And anyone that even tried to stand up to a schmuck like Roger Smith gets
brownie points from me.

But of course he won't win. As Ibsen said, the majority is always wrong.

-- 
Rainer Malzbender 
Post-doc, Physics
U. of Colorado, Boulder (303)492-1366              rainer@shelley.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: co.general