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From: overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Trouble reporting (was: Re: LW3 and Super Mario Brothers)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:12:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

>|In article <LFS.92Aug9165437@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu> lfs@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (Lyman F Sheats Jr.) writes:

>Tell me about it, I deposited $1.00 into a HS2 only to find the upper
>flipper broken (worked about 20% of the time, and NOT at full strength).
>With the first game in progress and on the first or second ball, I
>informed the folks working there who promptly refused to refund my
>money.  Hey, the games are still there, I haven't used them yet!  They
>wouldn't even transfer my credits to another game.  Now THAT'S what I
>call bogus.  I know a lot of places have a "No Refunds" policy, but is
>that fair?  Shouldn't there be a law that if a game is broken, they're
>required to refund your money?  If you see a movie, and the film breaks,
>you get your money back.  If you buy a VCR and it doesn't work, you get
>your money back.  Why not for pins/vids?  To top it all off, they didn't
>even bother to put an out-of-order sign on it.

Where was this Lyman???

Any place should refund your money.  Course those that put up
a sign that claim Play at your own risk also fail to take into
consideration the old rule "do unto others..."

And I most certainly have no problem in telling them to cough
up or chance losing the machine!!!  picking up the front a couple
feet and letting it drop while they watch I once found to be a very
effective means of communication with a place that messed with me.
Strangely I was not even thrown out; though we weren't on good
speaking terms for a few days.  In this case they knew they 
were wrong and what really irked me was they knew I was right!
So there never should have been such an incident.

Guess every now and then you gotta remind some folks you're not
taking and crap from them.


			Regards,	Dallas...
From: sjc@hare.udev.cdc.com (Steven J Craig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Promo Stuff in new machines
Keywords: Promo Goodies
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:19:55 GMT
Organization: Control Data

Hey,  can some of you who have recently puchased some of the
newer machines let us in on what the promo piece was in the
box (if any)?

An example would be the keychain with Gilligans Island.
Sounds like HSII is a drink coaster?

You can go back as far as you would like on this promo thread.

Jerry:  What was the TAF free-bee?

Regards,
   -Steve
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From: u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Rape, arcade style
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:44:43 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

>Someone pointed me to Power Play in downtown Cleveland for a TAF. Power Play
>charges seventy five cents for a *SINGLE* credit on any of their games. Anyone
>else charge this much?

In Australia we pay $1 for 1 game and $2 for 3 games. Even after
compensating for dollar values we are still paying at least as much as you.
Consider yourselves lucky!!

 - Darrin
   u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: adoerfer@welkin.enet.dec.com (_bill)
Subject: Re: System 1 pinballs
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:43:08 GMT


In article <dsb-ff#@engin.umich.edu>, bovine@engin.umich.edu (Mitchell Rohde) writes...
> BUT BUT BUT... I was wondering if there were similar
> animals for the Gottleib system 1's.
> 
Indeed there was.  D. Gottlieb & Co. Solid State Pinball Games Service
Manual  (went at least two editions), covering things like Theory of
Operation (covering all the boards, with goodies like an understanding
of the basic architecture of Rockwell's PPS-4/2 4 bit parallel processing
system, 198.864KHz system clock and PGOL (pinball game oriented language))
Service and Repair (game checkout, troubleshooting (with Playboard Simulator)
Diagrams, with the test prom, Power, Driver, Display and Control Board test
and trouble shooting guide, wire color assignments, cable Plug Pin Assignments,
Parts Lists, Wiring and Schematic Diagrams.
_bill CAUTION!! TURN GAME POWER OFF BEFORE MAKING ANY SWITCH ADJUSTMENTS.
From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Rape, arcade style
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:01:41 GMT
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.

u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart) writes:

>sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:

>>Someone pointed me to Power Play in downtown Cleveland for a TAF. Power Play
>>charges seventy five cents for a *SINGLE* credit on any of their games. Anyone
>>else charge this much?

Japan: 100yen per play.  Some places have 3 plays for 200yen, but not
the only place within a reasonable commute that has TAF (it's the
place right next to the famous police box in Shibuya, they have
Hook, Party Zone, T2, TAF, Super Mario and High Speed II as I recall;
I only play TAF)

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From: crywalt@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu (Christopher Rywalt, maladjusted cartoonist)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Protecting silkscreened playfield lightshields
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:26:21 GMT
Organization: Fairleigh Dickinson University

In article <w4TRPB1w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP (David Eison) writes:
> crywalt@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu (Christopher Rywalt, maladjusted cartoonist) writes:
> 
>> 	Also, you can always find a clear coat, like they use on model cars 
>> 	(and many times on real cars).  However, they're oil based and may eat 
>> 	your plastic.
> 
> Why not use a spray, like Testor's Dull Cote or Testor's Gloss Cote (I 
> think they spell it that way..) which is DESIGNED for models and such?  
> It's intended to be used on Plastic, so it SHOULDN'T damage it... But 
> you should probably try ANYTHING you use b4 you use it, like test it out 
> on the old pieces that were replaced...
> 
> ---
> David Eison - Garfield           bbs-garfield@jwt.uucp
> <><  I'm not as think as you stoned I am! ><>

	See, it depends on the *type* of plastic.  The plastic they make
	models out of may be different than the type they make pinball
	parts out of; also, the Testor's stuff is designed to go over
	painted plastics, not the plastics themselves.  This does not
	mean, however, that they won't do a good job.

	If one has spare parts to test on, I suggest testing extensively
	(and posting the results, Bill!).  Also, it might be good to wait 
	a few days (or even weeks) after application, to see if the coat 
	dulls the plastic over time.


-- Chris

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From: ecvu28@castle.ed.ac.uk (Neil Madden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Lethal Cows
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:10:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

>>sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:

>>That throwaway ZZ Top soundtrack and the "Getaway" jackpot make you
>>think, too.  Seems like there's some serious (and not so serious)
>one-upsmanship going on here.

>If you're talking about HS2, that song is AWESOME! It's "La Grange" and
>is on the greatest hits album (don't remember the name or the original
>album it appears on). Anyhow, of course there's one-upmanship! What did 
>you expect??

Its originally from the album 'Tres Hombres', I know this not because I'm
a ZZ Top fan but because - seeing as I dont have the money to buy *Too*
many pinball machines :) , I started to collect music tracks which feature
in games, to put together a tape (You know, so I could get a pinball fix
when ever I wanted one). Anyway I didnt get very far...

ZZ top - La Grange          (The Getaway)
Elton John - Pinball Wizard (Party Zone)
Hendrix - Purple haze       (  "    "  )

OK, so 3 tracks isnt very much. So which others should I get, I'm sure
between the whole network, just about every pin must have been seen. Lets
see if we can fill a C90!


Neil <ecvu28@uk.ac.ed.castle>
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: page@hurricane.cs.odu.edu (D.)
Subject: God and Pinball
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:27:29 GMT



There is a god.

They finally removed that rat-trap non-matching 
always broken dumb machine Gilligan's Island
out of the 7-11 across the street from campus and 
put in The Machine:  Bride of Pinbot.

Brady Amusements Co. is now forgiven.

--Dan
-- 
"Don't count your weasels before they pop, dink"
			--The Tick

page@chrysanthemum.cs.odu.edu
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: SPECTRUM--I'm in love with it!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:29:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.232754.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Hi guys--
>	Over the summer, I found a copy of _Lure of the Silver Ball_
>and fell in love with a machine made by Bally (I think) in 1982 called
>SPECTRUM.  Does anybody know about this machine?  I thought I was
>looking at something just coming off the production line of Bally or
>Williams this year!  The backglass just looked so...well, '90s.
>Anyway, if anyone can tell me about it, I'd really appreciate it!  
>					--Matt
>-- 

I remember this game, I always thought it was a piece of shit to play. You
are right it does look good. This game had no plunger, the ball was launched
from between the flippers, by hitting a flipper (I think). The purpose of the
game (this is from a 10 year old memory, so take it with a grain of salt) was
to hit a series of targets, outholes or lanes that would spot a certain color.
I think this is where the name comes from. For instance I remember the top 
spotted the color blue. Sorry this is a bit hazy but I am sure someone else
has more vivid memories, Jerry?

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Promo Stuff in new machines
Keywords: Promo Goodies
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:29:54 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <46465@shamash.cdc.com> sjc@hare.udev.cdc.com (Steven J Craig) writes:
|Hey,  can some of you who have recently puchased some of the
|newer machines let us in on what the promo piece was in the
|box (if any)?
|
|An example would be the keychain with Gilligans Island.
|Sounds like HSII is a drink coaster?

HIGH SPEED apparently came with a drink coaster as well.  In all actuality,
it looks more along the lines of a rearview-mirror decoration piece.  It
is round, about 3 inches in diameter, and has the artwork of the center
BONUS wheel on the playfield.  There's a hole drilled near the top of the
plastic, suitable for hanging.  Written along the bottom is '541' in block
style numbers.  I'm not sure if it is part of the regular set of playfield
plastics or not, it wasn't included in the set I just received, but then a
LOT of pieces were missing from it.  It's being shipped back today, I'll
hopefully get a replacement set later this week (doubtful) or early next
week.  I didn't actually get one of these little toys with my game, BTW,
instead, I went to fix the HIGH SPEED down at KONA (see other posts about
bad operators) and swiped it out of their manual packet.  I left the
manual and all the scorecards though ... figured I didn't really need
them.  They'd probably miss the manual anyway.  By the way, they stiffed
me for half my fee, so I don't feel the least bit guilty about this.

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com



Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: lopez@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Chris &)
Subject: Re: Pinball machine repair in San Francisco area
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:04:20 GMT

joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
: Those who do not live in the San Francisco bay area can skip this posting
: -- sorry, my posting program doesn't allow me to limit the distribution.
: _________________________________________________________________________
: 
:    Saw an ad in the Sunday Chronicle/Examiner...
: 
: Pinball Machines, 100% warranty, Free delivery, 510/653-9100
: 
: I called and spoke to Tom Johnson. He is the new owner of Gametown USA.
: They're located at 5245 College Ave at Broadway in Oakland. They are part
: of TILT Electronics which does pinball service. (That's in Martinez at
: 510/933-TILT, (Chris)) Anyway, the deal is they have some games for sale,
: but they deliver to the home and will come out and repair any problem for
: free for 6 months. The games are completely reconditioned, in some cases,
: they even do board touch-up, so that's why they are a bit pricy.  For
: example he has Millionaire and F-14 Tomcat available for $850 apiece.
: He can get a 8-Ball Delux for the same price and a COMET for $950.
: 
: You might want to call them up for a service call someday, so hang
: on to that 933-TILT number....

Assuming this is the same TILT company that had arcades in the midwest I would
be very cautious in dealing with them.  None of the TILT arcades kept their 
pinball machines in good repair.  If you complained enough something got done;
unfortunately that usually meant that either the game was pulled, or that a
sledge hammer fix was applied.  (This problem is never going to happen again
no matter what -- so what if the fix detracts from the play or looks)

I don't know if the arcades were franchises and the owner just didn't care, or 
if they were under TILT directly.  Either way this would be where the used
games are coming from...

Chris 
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Black Rose
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:45:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <SBB.92Aug17193924@panix.com> sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:
>You discovered the terrible secret of BLACK ROSE: 
>	1. Load the cannon.

Yeah, but how, exactly, does one get the cannon ready to load? Every damn
time I hit the ramp multiple times (the center left ramp that you hit
from the upper right flipper) or I hit the 'jackpot' ramp then that ramp
I kept getting that damn 'secret attack' shit. I didn't >want< the million
forthe secret attack shit, I wanted to load the cannon. The rules say 'to
load the cannon, hit the ramp consecutivly from the side flipper'. Sure.

I managed to load the cannon a few times, but I sure as heck don't know how
I got the cannon ready to load...

r.
From: sbb@panix.com (The Phantom)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Pinball Flyers...
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:17:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In article <8167@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> sbm@cs.adelaide.edu.au (John!) writes:

   I was just wondering if it would be a good idea to get some people
   to SCAN pinball flyers(info sheets) and have them available on
   a FTP somewhere for download..  I think it'd be a good idea so
   those of us who dont get the machine for a few months after its
   been released in the US have some idea on what to expect (and to
   get there orders in)

   What do you think??

I love this idea!  I'm always on the lookout for interesting
background pictures for my Sun at work -- and new pinball flyers would
be terrific.  I'd do it myself, but I only have access to a grayscale
scanner; the flyers really should be scanned in color.

Any volunteers?  At least with this -- as opposed to sound recording
and schematic copying -- we won't be violating anyone's copyrights...

--
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    Email: sbb@panix.com   |                            - David Letterman
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: inflated scores hit the mainstream
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <josh.714414603@mowgli> josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes)  
writes:
> One additional point here: machines MUST retain some way to get values
> that increment by ten points, or else the match will have to start
> working in larger increments....I can see it now....

Maybe they'll start matching your leading digit :)

Orin

> --
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> josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu             206 685-2793
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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (The Red Avenger)
Subject: Re: Hightest Thing Multiball score.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:13:10 GMT

In <1992Aug17.213939.27266@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> coutinho_b@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>I want to know what the highest score possible is from "thing" multiball
>when the mansion room is collected from the Electric Chair. I managed
>to get the ball straight to thing from the EC kickout--->left flipper---->
>skill shot hole (off the top right skirting) and score a 14,0XX,XXX 
>multiball. Is this the highest possible in normal play ?

It has actually been mentioned before (no, no Lyman, don't give us
another "I give up"), but if you spot the THING mansion room by getting
15 (+10n) bearkicks, and shoot straight to Thing, you'll get the max
of 15 million.

Marty.
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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Rape, arcade style
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:16:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <920817362@tiny.com> sjsobol@tiny.com writes:

>  Someone pointed me to Power Play in downtown Cleveland for a TAF. Power Play
>  charges seventy five cents for a *SINGLE* credit on any of their games. Anyone
>  else charge this much?

These are the most common prices in Germany:
 1 DM  - 1 credit
 2 DM  - 3 credits
 5 DM  - 10 credits

and on new machines in good arcades:
 1 DM  - 1 credit
 2 DM  - 2 credits
 5 DM  - 6 or 7 credits

Current exchange rate is around 1.50 DM per 1 US$, but per 'buying power'
it is around 1-1.

I've always thought of American game charges to be unusually cheap.


MfG,
        Olaf
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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: dryan@sgi2.mathstat.uoguelph.ca.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (Dan Ryan)
Subject: Help!!! 1977 Bally: Bobby Orr's Power Play
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:39:32 GMT

Help!!!! I have a 1977 Bally, Bobby Orr's Power Play that keeps blowing a 
fuse every time I power it up (I'm running out of fuses).  The fuse it keeps
blowing is the F4 fuse on the transformer assembly.  Does anyone have any
experience with this problem, or a similar problem?  Does anyone know where
I can get the schematics for this machine?

If anyone has any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks....

Dan Ryan
MTHRYAN@VM.UOGUELPH.CA
From: sbb@panix.com (Steve Baumgarten)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Black Rose
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:56:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In article <dh0mhna@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:

   Yeah, but how, exactly, does one get the cannon ready to load? Every damn
   time I hit the ramp multiple times (the center left ramp that you hit
   from the upper right flipper) or I hit the 'jackpot' ramp then that ramp
   I kept getting that damn 'secret attack' shit. I didn't >want< the million
   forthe secret attack shit, I wanted to load the cannon. The rules say 'to
   load the cannon, hit the ramp consecutivly from the side flipper'. Sure.

There's a switch that ain't switchin' in there -- have it looked at.
You're doing exacly the right thing, and in fact if you launch the
ball softly and make the skill shot, the trap door will open and you
can load the cannon that way.

Generally three times around that upper loop -- up the ramp, down to
the upper-right flipper, and repeat -- will open the trap door.

I'm not sure under what circumstances you're supposed to get the 1M
point "Secret Attack"; then again, I don't know why I see fencing cows
every so often...

--
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    PANIX, New York, NY    |   remember, we were way ahead of you."
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    Email: sbb@panix.com   |                            - David Letterman
From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Hightest Thing Multiball score.
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:33:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.66531
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <TwBuPB2w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-garfield@jwt.UUCP writes:
>gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Red Mountain) writes:
>> You can get the full 15 mil if you have the bookcase open and shoot it
>> straight in, then get the skill shot (of course, you shouldn't have

  A seemingly easier way to get the $15M on THING is to have that room lit
as you get your 15th bear kick on the right ramp.  It'll put it back on
the right flipper for the shot into the THING hole just as the room is
awarded.  I've done this three times and have never been able to do it the
way suggested above.

>> a swamp kickout, but then, you did turn the machine off & on before you
>> started, didn't you :-).
>
>What does turning the machine off and on b4 you play do???  I'm ALWAYS 
>looking for new ways to help my game.. <G>

  The same thing as slam tilting it.  If the machine is "reset" in some
manner (i.e. slamming it or power cycling it), any balls in the swamp are
ejected back into the hopper before the machine will allow the next game
to begin.

Ben...

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