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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:24:58 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
: 
: The following comments are, of course, all IMHO.
: 
: CDs are not "closer to what they sounded like when they were playing the
: music."  They are not "like it was supposed to sound".  These have been
: digitized which changes the sound, whether you like CDs or not.  Some
: people like digital sound, some don't.  But analog is not the same as
: digital, and it doesn't sound the same.
: 

I certainly DON'T want to get involved in a flame war over the
relative merits/demerits of vinyl & CD's (not least because I recently
had an email from a netter in Iceland who said he'd withdrawn from
several newsgroups due to the nature of such flames....

However, without observing in any way at all on which is the better
meduim, and why, I must own up to being close to traumatized (sp) when
I went into the Abbey Road studios for the sessions in 1983 and heard
what I assume to be 1st generation copies of master tapes playing
through the studio sound system.

Arguably *that* was the sound the Fabs were after (if you exclude the
echoing Cavern sound:-), and, to be frank, it made a total mockery of
even the pretty decent hi-fi I had.

The sound was so different that it was barely recognizable as the
music that I'd grown up with.  Give me that sound at home, however you
do it and I'd be wellpleased.

Mind you, it can be done, Paul has done it by building a replica of
Abbey Road No2 studio.  I'd try that, but the neighbours may complain
:-)

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:21:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Nov5.165533.10038@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
>In article <7912@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>>However, I'm hard put to believe that those are punch outs.  I've done a
>>fair bit of recording in studios ranging from 4 to 32 track.  Only the
>>absolute worst tape machine leaves any kind of a noise from a punch in
>>or a punch out.  And these are mega-noises!  Of course in 1966, the 
>>technology for this kind of recording wasn't as advanced as it is now.
>
>you answered your own question here. :)  yes, modern tape recorders
>(even low priced models) are good at NOT leaving punch-in/out noises,
>but these were VERY old machines they were using - even by 1966 standards.
>yes, those noises are punch-ins/outs.  more precisely, they are the 
>sounds of what was being recorded as the tape STARTS to move.  since
>there is (was) a lag-time in the tape machine motor getting up to full
>speed, the machine would start recording while the tape was moving
>slightly slower than normal, so that on playback, the sound would be
>sped up.  therefore, you hear these little high-pitch glitches that
>sound like a tape being rewound.
>

That's funny, I don't remember asking a question.  I said quite clearly
that technology for this kind of recording wasn't as advanced, and I didn't
tell you how old I was and how long I've been recording and what kind of
equipment I've personally used.

Also, I think it's significant that these noises ONLY seem to appear on
some Revolver tracks.  Think about this for a minute.  They were certainly
doing some complex work with Rubber Soul, and they were still working with
the very same tape machines on Sgt. Pepper.  

Yes, EMI was very conservative and didn't jump on getting the new machines
as quickly as the independent studios.  But they had GREAT equipment!  You
don't make records that are some of the BEST RECORDED RECORDS OF ALL TIME
on crappy equipment.  And I'm not just talking about Beatle records here.
The old EMI classical records are beyond compare.  Yes, the machines were
old, but they were great, and the Beatles (IMHO) would not have sounded
as good on today's digital, limiter ridden, microprocessor controlled crap.

Bruce


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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.misc
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: more music trivia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:00:30 GMT

In article <1dgjnuINN45s@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:
|> 
|> 	2 - On 'Baby You're A Rich Man' John sings alternative lyrics in the
|> 	fade. I can't quite make them out but they seem to be an abusive
|> 	comment about Brian Epstein - as in John's working title for this
|> 	song...
|> 
|> 
|> 		Am I hearing things?...	J.Morris

I've never listened for these lyrics myself, but I'm told that it's something
like, "Baby, You're a rich fag Jew."

Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)

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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: I've done it, I've done it!!!!
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:27:15 GMT

Joseph Hetz (hetz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: 	I've always thought (and so has the Hal Leonard Publishing Co.) that
: he line in Strawberry Fields Forever is supposed to be:
: 		"I think a no will mean a yes but ..."
                              ^^^^

Definately NOT 'will'.  it's more like an 'uh' sound.  Listened to several takes
repeatedly today, and I think it's just basically a statement of indecision...
"I think ah know uh mean ah yes but...." or something.

Let's keep this in proportion.  JL was quoted as saying he didn't even remember
the sessions due to ...um...chemicals, so in all reality, who knows what he was
thinking, if even he didn't remember?

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
Don't blame me; I voted for Perot!                hinzd@picard.med.ge.com 
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.             Pherrets are Phun!!!
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: FAQ/Mailing List?
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:35:41 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi,

Is there a FAQ for this thread or failing that a mailing list or server?
I don't have ftp so can't pick up stuff for myself.

Thanks for your help.

Dave

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From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Revolution #9 and Dream#9
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.092822.17162@husc3.harvard.edu> fenick1@husc10.harvard.edu  
(Sharon Fenick) writes:
> In article <1dcc9gINNlki@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com> mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael  
R. Kesti) writes:
> >In article <72038389624034@c00740-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu>
> >                                jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
> >
> >>By what calendar is October the 9th month?  (And yes, I've heard this same 
> >>claim uttered before, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something....)
> >
> >If we are brave enough to recognise that most us were not taught to  
enumerate
> >correctly, and come to grips with the difference between enumeration and
> >quantity, then January is month number zero, February is month number one,
> >etc.  This makes October, the tenth month, month number nine.
> 
> Unfortunately this also makes the ninth day of October day number eight.
> 
> Take your pick, 9th month 8th day or 10th month 9th day.

But, that's OK.   Remember, we've already determined that Beatle people are
not particularly good at dates.   October is the 9th month on the same
calendar where Paul would've been "28 IF" in 1969.  :-)

<ESC>
--
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: s907442@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Terry Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Julian Lennon song
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:38:39 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

takashi@nevada.edu (Edward T. Tonai) writes:

>In article <campo.721071674@calspan.com> campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello) writes:
>>   Is anyone familiar with a song by Julian Lennon that has the
>>   refrain "Salt water wells in my eyes"?
>>
>>   My friend discovered it on a tape she made some time ago of a
>>   Canadian show called "In Concert".  Julian performed it live,
>>   playing acoustic guitar.
>>
>>   It's a beautiful but sad song about people and the environment.
>>   I would like to know the title, and if it was released as a
>>   single or what album it's on.
>>
>>   Thanks for any info.
>>                               Jim Campobello
>>                               campo@calspan.com

>The song is "Saltwater" and its on _Help Yourself_ I believe.
>I think I remember it being released as a single, and I part of it
>played on _Baywatch_ once.  It is my favorite Julian Lennon song.

>By the way, I have to say I really liked Liv on _Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation.

>			Edward T. Tonai
>			takashi@redrock.nevada.edu

Saltwater was certainly released as a single in the U.K. and Australia
as it went top 10 in UK and spent 6 weeks at #1 in Australia, it comes from
his most recent album "Help Yourself" from which the title track and 
"Get A Life" were released as singles in Aus. also.

-Terry.
From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Silly John Songs ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:23:49 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Dennis Alstrand writes:
> But it's true that John wrote some *damn* silly love songs.
> The tops on the list is 'Oh Yoko'
> . . .In the middle of a shave
>      In the middle of a shave I call your name
>      Oh Yoko

OK, it's very silly, but it's still a great song! Paul's silly love songs,
on the other hand, just sound like Muzak to me.

MOKO
dthompson@mgi.com
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: E-mail "Beatles in other songs"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:59:58 GMT

No, DON'T e-mail them all; this is the best thread I've seen on
here is months!!  As long as you have a K on your keyboard,
there's no such thing as clogging!
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: The Rutles (was Re: Various questions...)
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 20:33:37 GMT

In <1e0ktdINNdvo@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris) writes:


>	P.S. Is there a backwards message in 'Piggy In The Middle'?

Yes. It goes "This little piggy went to market."
Although some people have interpreted it as "Stig has been dead for ages,
honestly."

					James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "tie me down, kangaroo sport"
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:06:53 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

edward s. chen writes:
> dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com writes:
[...]
>>> Tie me down kangaroo sport
[...]
> "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport."

Oh, now I remember this song. Too bad; I was having such fun trying to figure
out what "Tie me down, kangaroo sport." could possibly mean. :-)
From: weiss@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:32:03 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Nov2.201103.10542@wam.umd.edu> jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
>> > "I Dig Rock-And-Roll Music" by Peter, Paul and Mary contains the  
>lines, "And 
>> not to pick nits, but wasn't that song done by the Mama's and Papa's?
>Nope, it was Peter Paul and Mary... but that song also included an
>equally wicked spoof of the Mamas & Papas.  "They've got a good thing
>goin' / When the words don't get in the way (ye-a-ah).."  The parody
>is so close it's scary.
>Likewise, the Beatles verse has plenty of Yellow Submarine-style
>funny voices and a little bit of backwards guitar.  A good song.

Not to mention their magnificent Donovan spoof.  "I dig Donovan in kind of a
dreamy, tripped-out way/His crystal images, they sing about a brighter day"

It comes right before the Beatles bit.

"But if I really say it
 The radio won't play it
 Unless I lay it
 Between the lines..."
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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:28:31 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

rgranvil@bbn.com (Rob Granville) writes:

... and let's not forget Ringo's "Early 1970"
with it's veiled (yeah, right) references to the
other 3 ...

				James Willer
[any opinions above must be registered with the federal government]
From: jy0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Yablonsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: mistakes - grit my teeth
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:47:23 GMT
Organization: Senior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


why don't you:

A) hunt down Paul and beat the shit out of him.
B) check your entries for spelling errors.
From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: New Paul Tour?
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:09:48 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

I've heard rumblings around the newgroups that Paul is definitely planning
another world tour next year. A few people have asked where they can get
tickets. Can anyone confirm (or discredit) this news?

Thanks,
Eric
erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Re: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Reply-To: enf1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:23:27 GMT

Considering how absolutely stoned Syd Barrett reputedly was the majority of
the time, I find it hard to believe that any Pink Floyd members would really
be shocked at the Beatles' being under the influence of illegal substances.

However, aside from drug use, there are definite ties between the Beatles and
Pink Floyd.  Abbey Road Studios, Norman Smith, and Alan Parsons of course were
related to both groups, but on a more musical level when I hear Beatles and
Pink Floyd piano parts out of context, it often takes me a few seconds to
decide whether I'm hearing late Beatles or early Pink Floyd, so similar do
some parts sound.

And, of course, even if he wasn't directly involved, the vocal style on
What's the New Mary Jane sounds very much like Syd Barrett's.  I doubt he
was actually at the session, but either the Beatles influenced Barrett in this
respect or he them.

Eric Fischer
enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu (brian)
Subject: Re: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:42:57 GMT

In article <Pierre.0085@phaze.CAM.ORG> Pierre@phaze.CAM.ORG (Pierre Rioux) writes:
>Well, I know of one little know Pink Floyd song, called
>"Let There Be More Light" (on the album "A Saucerful Of Secrets")
>where they clearly sing "...like Lucy In The Skyyyyy!".
>That album was released in 1968, not much later than Sgt. Pepper.
>This still doesn't prove there has been any significant
>exchange between the late Beatles and the early Floyds, though;
>as far as I know, they met but no sparks ever resulted, am I wrong?

How about "Corporal Klegg" from the same album?  I see this
as Floyd's self-deprecating and self-consciously "underground"
and perhaps thus subversive reference to the Beatles.  If
the Beatles' character is *Sergeant* Pepper, Floyd presents a parodic
version of him as a mere corporal in this song.  The music 
also parodies some of the Beatles' sound on Pepper--if the Beatles 
use exotic instruments on their album, Floyd, too, incorporate
"exotic" instruments: a chorus of kazoos on this cut.  I really
like the song on its own, but I think it works on the level
of musical satire, too.
--
Brian Donahue               
Purdue English Department   
bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu 




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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave)
Subject: Re: Uncle Albert
Keywords: lyrics request
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:08:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.023945.14001@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>and lo, there was much rejoicing among the people, as
>  prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
[sigh]  sure ... MOCK ME! :)

>>In article <henny.720940599@uieea> henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe) writes:
>>>Though not exactly a Beatles song, would anyone know where I could
>>>find the lyrics to McCartneys Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey song?
>>these can be found in the liner notes of _all the best_
>how odd - they're not in the liner notes from /my/ _all_the_best_.
>be more specific - album, tape, or cd? american or european?
sorry.  seems there was discussion a ways back about the difference in
all of those formats.  i have the american cd, which has the lyrics.  if
someone reminds me, i'll get it from my room and transcribe them.

>saki in 96.
not a bad idea ... :)

-- 
( dave prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu    )
( "silence means security.  silence means approval."                        )
(  - r.e.m., "begin the begin"                                              )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Subject: Re: CD vs vinyl
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:12:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.131150.26845@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) writes:
>
>Yes, James, to make a CD is actually *cheaper* than to make a vinyl 
>album - in spite of the fact we are paying a lot more for CDs :-(
> 

>ciao! .mau.
>-----
>Maurizio Codogno - CSELT UF/DU dept. - Torino Italy

Yes, this is absurdly true..however, it has renewed interest in music
immensely since Remastering has become such a fad. I do like some
versions of remastered stuff(I love Past Masters 2) but have a 
great distain for others(namely All Things Must Pass-which is my
favorite vinyl recording of that decade) It is interesting, at least to me,
to see what kind of transfer was done at the remastering plant: Whether
a stereo master, mono master, or XX-track master was used..who did the
remastering, whether modern or pre-modern effects were used, and 
replacement/placement of instruments in the mix..

One should check out Tom Dowd's remastering of Layla and the Allman Brothers-
The Fillmore Concerts for amazingly faithful,yet eye-opening remastering.
There seems to be a lot of shitty remastering out there often resulting
in re-remastering and the issuance of updated cd's due to consumer complaints
and ARTISTs screaming(Just ask Roger Nichols of Steely Dan Fame). Though
the Beatles seemed to have fared through this pretty well, I do subscribe
to that GREAT idea of putting Mono/Stereo versions on 1 cd, or perhaps
English vs American Mixes on 1 cd. 

Well have to check out the DCC Beatles releases next and make sure they
are up to our standards as well!

ben


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From: mccombj@alleg.edu (Not Necessarily Stoned, But Beautiful)
Subject: Re: more music trivia
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:36:56 GMT

In article <1dgjnuINN45s@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk  
(Mr J D Morris) writes:
> 	2 - On 'Baby You're A Rich Man' John sings alternative lyrics in  
the
> 	fade. I can't quite make them out but they seem to be an abusive
> 	comment about Brian Epstein - as in John's working title for this
> 	song...

I know I'm missing something -- What WAS his working title for the song?   
(Just e-mail if that's a FAQ.)

Regards,
Joe.
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:07:50 GMT

We've had a series of articles I would call less than informative
regarding what was described as--

>In the song[] "Here, There and Everywhere" [. . .]
> you can hear tape machines rewinding all the time. [. . .]
>You can hear little 'fwips' when they're trying to take out vocal lines,
>like [. . .] during the 'oooh's in "Here There and Everywhere".

I've listened really closely to Parlophone stereo LP and I do not hear
any such noise in the left channel where the ooh's are.  Take the
second bridge-- is that one right after "I want here everywhere"?-- I
can hear the tiniest trace of a squeak there.  I'm listening closely
enough to catch the suppressed ooh under "because to love her", which
is either offmike or mixed out.

Comments in followups like "notice the pattern" are lost on me.  How
about a straightforward exposition of where the fwips are and what
they are supposed to mean?

--Joe Brennan

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From: dthompson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: "tie me down, kangaroo sport"
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:22:43 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

This was submitted for the Beatles novelty list:

> 1) The Dr. Demento show had a version of the song
> Tie me down kangaroo sport
> with an obscure group known as the BEATLES doing background.
> It was done before they were big.

It doesn't fit the list, but it's got me curious. I've never heard of this.
Is this for real?

Moko
dthompson@mgi.com

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