From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:15:18 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.

In article <1561@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>, dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Geezer) writes:
|> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
|> > 
|> > .......................................  As for ST:TNG and ST:DS9, I  
|> > too vote for women captains as long as they aren't bumbling fools (ala  
|> > Troi when she was "captain-for-a-day" [Sirtis, in a QVC interview,  
|> > talking about Troi's lack of knowledge of basic ship operations when  
|> > Troi was the captain of the ship]).
|> > 
|> > There's no reason more women shouldn't be good captains of often-seen  
|> > ships in more than a handful of episodes (so far, there's been one (1)  
|> > episode with a woman as captain where she is both seen and heard for  
|> > more than 3 seconds).
|> 
|> Why can't women captains be portrayed as overbearing, power-hungry,
|> incompotent, unjust, blinkered, sexist or even bumbling? 

You mean like Shelby?

|>                                                          Moving away
|> from the arguement as to people like that wouldn't get the job in the
|> first place, my point is, why can't women be portrayed with all the
|> failings that men are often portrayed with? 

Like the "Admiral" who boarded the Enterprise to uncover a conspiracy and
later had a breakdown when Picard quoted her father?

|> Are they some endangered
|> species, are their egos so fragile that portraying them as anything
|> other than nobel, strong, headstrong perhaps but basically stand-up
|> characters is deemed to be sacrilige? 

Like Leah Braums?

|>  Come on man, stop placing women
|> on pedestals, they're human beings for Christ sake!
|> 
|> All this smacks of Positive Discrimination. I mean, why not go all the
|> way and work out quotas for :-
|> 
|> 	Women - White
|> 	Women - Coloured
|> 	Women - Asian
|> 	Men   - White
|> 	Men   - Coloured
|> 	Men   - Asian
|> 	Women - White, Handicapped
|> 	Women - Coloured, Handicapped
|> 
|> 	etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.......
|> 
|> I mean no disrespect to any party mentioned above, it's the quota nuts
|> that never seem happy unless an arbitrary deemed minimum of their
|> chosen 'group' is represented in a POSITIVE light that I'm having a
|> pop at. People like you lot probably go to the movies or watch TV with
|> a little notebook in your hand, making notes about how this lot are
|> under represented, or that lot are represented in a bad light (Christ,
|> look at all those gay nuts that hit the streets when Basic Instinct
|> was released). And before you retort that I'm homopohobic, I will add
|> that someones sexual orientation makes no difference to me, it's when
|> that person starts using it as a political platform that pisses me
|> off.
|> 
|> Why can't you lot just accept that men, women, gay men, gay women,
|> coloured men, coloured women etc. etc. are all just human beings and
|> can be as good or as downright nasty, as smart or as stupid, as
|> strong or as feeble, or as honest or as devious as the next person?
|> 
|> Well, that's Trekkies, The Women's Movement and Gay Pride all
|> pissed off at me now. Hey Kevin, I'm as popular as you now and
|> it's only taken me about 10 minutes! (Saturdays at work always brings
|> out the best in me). 
|> 
|> > -- 
|> > -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
|> > -- NeXTmail welcome
|> 
|> Dave
|> --
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|> ------              Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year          -------
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