From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: MORE Why Windows NT will fail -----
Summary: People who read UseNet will read anything.
Keywords: duh
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:06:36 GMT

>> If all you really use is windows apps, and there aren4t OS/2 versions
>>available, it does make more sense for you to run windows. OS/2 is
>>useful when you have a combination of DOS and Windows apps.

ME>       Right-o.  And this is the main reason OS/2 is doing so
ME>       poorly in the general user market.

>You mean all those 'sales' aren't to geneeral users? What are we then???

	Read what YOU wrote, then read what I wrote, and then
	read your followup.

	More and more people these days are moving to Windows,
	where and whenever they can.  In your own words, it makes more
	sense for these people to run Windows.

	I was _agreeing_ with you.

	(merely pointing out the ramifications of what you said)


>Wrong. Thanks for playing. There is a great double standard here. There
?are many OS/2 apps in the working. Fine. But there are several that have


	Hardly a double standard.  Traditionally, throughout OS/2's 
	history, there have been "many apps in the working".  This never
	had any reflection on reality.  I believe, with no doubt whatsoever,
	that at least 1/2 of the companies making big promises right now
	are pulling the same bit.  In fact, in many cases, these same
	companies have pulled the same trick before.

	OTOH, Windows already has a huge number of apps, and porting
	(even rudimentary porting that is like the Word for PM) is
	extremely easy from Win31 to WinNT.  I don't think even the
	most rabid OS/2 fans honestly believe that NT won't have
	apps at or immediately after release. 


>a long beta process is what people should wait for. Why will NT have the
>software? Because developers keep geting extenstion sas NT delays? OS/2 apps


	I'd bet a good amount of money that NT easily has more apps than
	OS/2 2.0 after the first year.  [Being a college student,  
	though, I typically have less money than the average teenager, 
	so what I consider a "good amount of money" probably wouldn't
	impress anyone but another college student]

	Come on.  I was merely pointing out how stupid your point
	was by proposing one equally as stupid.  My honest answer is.,
	that if the person in question is *very* confident with 
	a computer and quite literate, recommend OS/2 now because
	they can dual boot to Win31 when they want to.  For anyone
	else, though, it's a joke to recommend OS/2, and the idea
	that *anyone* should buy OS/2 so that they can wait for
	apps to arrive is stupid--just as waiting forNT would be.


>are shipping, and are trickling out of betas. The new year shall be quite
>interesting.


	That's true, but I think the most interesting parts of it 
	wont have anything to do with OS/2 or NT--rather, the Apple
	Newton ought to be interesting to see how it does, NeXTStep
	should be along, the PowerPC is coming soon (perhaps not in '93,
	but..).. 

	<I forgot to mention the impending economic chaos that
	is the Clinton administration, but hey--that's too scary
	to be amusing.>




>I though 4.0 began shipping a while ago, as some users (3.0 registered)
>posted to c.o.o.apps.


	This has been confirmed.  There wasn't much of a stir outside
	of OS/2 land, so you can see how I missed it.  (DeScribe is
	a smaller player than Symantec [Just Write]..) 



>Corels mistake, I would think. Hopefully, if OS/2 continues to flourish,
>they will retract.


	True.  Corel may retract if OS/2 sales get far enough.  OTOH,
	they may *claim* to repent, to sell more copies of 2.5 to 
	the foolish who would purchase such a mutant, and then suddenly
	see their future in NT.  In other words, if it aint here,
	don't trust'em.



>Hello? Wasn't it posted that IBM did not receive *full* disclosure of
>working code until after 3.1's release. I am not making this up, I just
>ecall a thread of conversation a while back.


	It was claimed.  I have read otherwise, both here and in
	a number of media sources (including the Wall Street Journal).



>Oh, NeXt is a powerful market advesary. Who cares? People who work care.


	Please explain to me how formatting a floppy can be considered
	essential for work.  (Read: move on, this formatting a floppy
	bit is just plain stupid.)

>It is really convienent to do disk formating, and file copying in the
>ackgroung. How about installing stuff in the background. It is a very big
>deal...


	This, I can see.  Installing under Windows is one of those 
	tasks that I truly dread, and I much prefer OS/2 whtn it comes
	to this (hell, I much prefer OS/2 on the whole, I simply
	can't use it because it makes my applications run like junk,
	but when I'm just messing around OS/2 is definately the one
	I bootup..)
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