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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: K Registrations?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:45:24 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <714217795.22898@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Paul Roberts (proberts@informix.com) wrote:
>: You know you are getting old when .....
>: 
>: You have a nagging feeling that you can remember the last time "K"
>: registrations coming out.
>
>Oh, most certainly...
>
>: I can definitely remember "S" ... 
>: 
>:   ``S-reg specials coming down the line!
>:     S-reg specials, right on time!''
>: 
>: Paul
>
>Ahhhh. I remember the days when we all looked forward to the new British
>Leyland adverts, and wondered what they were going to do to that Classic
>British Car the Austin Allegro this year.... 
>
>And wasn't it ``the S-plate special'', not ``S-reg''.
>

Yes, you are right.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: New World beer (was Re: Americanising
From: psedpod@otago.ac.nz
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:51:52 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <3826@wyse.wyse.com>, jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.083200.19167@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

*************   Some stuff deleted   ***************

> 
> Sure if you want to be discerning, you can find decent beer almost anywhere. But
> if you find yourself staying in Hotels, or visiting wayside pubs, bars, and restraunts
> 'at random' as it were, you would be well advised to stich to Tennants.
> 
> Jim Munro
> 
> 

In my experience the best way to find good pubs is to buy, beg, steal or 
borrow a copy of the "Good Beer Guide" published by CAMRA.

6/7 years ago the editors made a decision to look at quility of Pub, food
etc. as well as quality of beer. In 2 years of using the GBG was NEVER 
disappointed with quality of food, beer or ambience.

(Hope it's stil available - I've been out of UK for 4 years).


BTW: - TV Crossover - Anyone remember a scene in "Boys From the Bush" (OZ/UK)
       production where main character was sending his nephew back to London
       and gave instructions on finding Fullers London Pride in the Crown and
       Sceptre (Medina Rd. Shepherds Bush, W12). Used be my local - he had me
       drooling for a decent pint of beer. (A new local brew Otago Draught and
       Otago Strong Ale (Mild type) have improved the situation enormously!)


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Peter O'Driscoll         | Internet : PSEDPOD@otago.ac.nz
Univ. of Otago           |
Dunedin NZ               |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Dr_mackie@med.umich.edu (Don Mackie)
Subject: Re: Stinkers!
Keywords: Horrible British TV
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:45:51 GMT

In article <92232.110139MATTWOOD@ESTEC.BITNET> <MATTWOOD@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
>David Spracklen writes:
> "What are some of the shows in the UK we here in the US will never see?"
>
>Well David, one of the WORST shows I've had the misfortune to see in
>recent years was shown towards Christmas last year on BBC.  I think it
>was shown past 11 pm on Saturdays (when most people are out enjoying
>themselves) - it was called "Cop Rock"! :-):-)
>
>But seriously,
>
> Most of the really bad shows are inherently popular - such as:
>
>Crossroads : REALLY bad acting.  Cardboard walls that shook whenever
>             anybody closed a door or sneezed.  Long meaningful glances
>             in close-up a-la Brazilian soap.  The show was about the
>             daily life of people working in a motel on a (you guessed
>             it) crossroads.  Consistently in the top ten figures.
>
>Noel's Addicts : Hosted by Noel Edmonds - an ex-BBC radio DJ who has
>             hosted 'entertainment' shows in his own style for quite
>             some time now.  Most of his shows may be described as
>             "Madcap" by some newspapers, but most people with an
>             IQ larger than that of a glass of water describe them as
>             "Crap".  Noel's addicts is a show whereby eccentric
>             people (we've lots of them in the UK) come on and describe
>             their addictions - there's been a vicar's wife who was
>             into collecting knickers, a man who collected vacuum
>             cleaners, and three women who collected plastic raincoats -
>             they had only collected nine between them.  The 'guests'
>             get to answer 12 questions - if they got 10 right, then
>             they qualified for the title of 'Addict'.
>
>I'm sure that other UK people out there in netland can come up with
>completely brainless shows, but I can't really think of anything worse
>than Cop Rock.  The Americans have beaten us on that one.
>
> Martin Attwood.
>
Our local PBS station briefly showed something called Mrs Noah starring Mollie
Sugden. She played Mrs Slocum in Are You Being Served. Mrs Noah centred on her
abrasive housewife character accidentally being on board the first British
space mission which then gets stuck in space. Truly dreadful in every way
From: saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What are the yellow "H" signs?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:48:41 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:

->On many buildings in the UK there are metal signs, about a foot
->square, with a yellow background and a large black "H".  There
->are smaller numbers written in the space above and below the bar
->of the "H".  Every hypothesis I came up with for meaning of these
->signs seemed to be disproved by a contradicting set of numbers.

These give the location of the nearest fire Hydrant.  In the UK
these are no big yellow/red things that you can run your car into,
but are set into the sidewalk (=pavement in UK).

I don't know exactly what the numbers mean, though.

	Steve Austin
From: clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: K Registrations?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:22:21 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: classic.bbn.com

On my recent visit, I saw an article in the paper that "K"
registrations (for motor vehicles) were about to begin.

The article contained a photo of a Ford car with the
registration "K4FMC".

   [Aside: Which is why I noticed it in the first place. "K4FMC"
   looks like an American amateur radio callsign.  In fact,
   checking the database, it IS an assigned callsign.]

Anyhow, sure enough, a couple days later I began noticing "K"
registrations as I burned up my supply of 45p/litre petrol.
One I noticed was "K 495 PHD", which stuck in my mind as a cheap
price for a Doctoral degree.  

Now, my question is "In what order do they assign registrations?
and/or is there some geographic or other structure to the numbers?"
I would have expected to see "K 123 AAA"  or some such, so soon
after they started the series.

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Songs banned by the Beeb (was Re: Americanising of the UK)
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:37:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Organization: BT Group Computing Unix Support, Birmingham, UK


``Penis Envy'' by Crass was banned, I believe, after a remarkable
number of people bought it for some unknown reason. Crass always struck
me as one of the earliest forms of PCness (in a subculture sort of way);
I can't imagine how anyway would want to actually listen to it except to
be able to say to their mates ``right on! that fabtastic penis envy
groove certainly hits the mark!''

One person's piss-poor gobshite is another person's subculture, I suppose.

Note the followup.

        Tim.
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me''
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:04:27 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <zlsiida.85@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>I've got some nice music at home which I never play because the lyrics are 
>crap.  It's an eternal problem: the music's format demands lyrics, but very 
>few people can write anything that sounds good 10 years later.
>

Generally true, but Shakespeare managed it.

There have been more than a couple of singles drawing their lyrics
from the bible, haven't there? There's that one about "by the waters
of Babylon", and there's someone singing Ecclesiastes(?) "a time to
be born a time to die etc".

Paul
From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Champion Beer Of Britain 1992
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:52:49 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Aug17.222135.7316@amgen.com> sushilm@amgen.com (Sushil Madhogarhia) writes:
>HI:
>I am looking for email address of MOBIL in london. Could 
>anyone help me with this.

I know you can get some pretty bad beers here in the UK but it must be getting 
serious when Mobil, an oil company can be associated with the 1992 Champion
Beer of Britain :-) .

Peter
-- 
Spider Software                                 E-mail:  peterw@spider.co.uk
Spider Park, Stanwell Street                    Phone :  +44 31 555 5166
Edinburgh, Scotland
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:37:52 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <zlsiida.85@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <768@dsbc.icl.co.uk> sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
>
>>Yeah, like when Pop WILL Eat Itself had to change the "Big Mac, fries to go"
>>line in Def Con One to "Big shake, fries to go". Sounded bloody stupid!
>
>Am I getting old, or are BOTH versions not only stupid-sounding, but 
>actually stupid?
>

"Ten to doomsday, moving fast. Heads up. mind that blast. No time to sleep, it's
Def Con One, can't get no sleep as the ticking ticks one. No time to fear, it's 
Def Con One, no time to eat, so get me some Big Mac, fries to go, get me Big
Mac, fries to go, get me Big Mac, fries to go, GET ME BIG MAC, GET ME FRIES
TO GO! Watch-meeeeeeen! We love you all! Hup hup, heads up. Ground floor coming
up. <"Crazy Horses"/Twiglet Zone bit>
Goodbye city, hello moon. Hands up! Vote Doctor Doom! You know it makes sense!
It's Def Con One. Hey, what's occurring, what goes on?"

Yes, you're getting old. Those lyrics are classic. :-)

-- 
  /// \\\  The sole Ipswich Town fan in the frozen wastes of North Staffs is...
 |||O^O||| Martyn Amos -- Secure UNIX Team, ICL Kidsgrove, Staffs., ST7 1TL
 ||| ) ||| mra@zen.icl.co.uk (0782) 771000 Ext. 3152
 |||\_/||| "Barriers crumble, empires fall, the Karmadrome's inside us all!"
 |||\_/||| My views are just that - mine.
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mansell out ?
Keywords: VNS,news,sport
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug18.083428.10239@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org 
 (David George) writes:

>> On French T.V. news last night it was reported that Alain Prost will be 
>> the Williams No.1. driver for '93.  This is at the insitence of Renault
>     [...]
>> Personally I suspect this is another move by FISA to even up the teams 
>> - an old crock like Prost will be completely stuffed by Senna, even with
>> a rocket powered car.
>
>> At this rate they'll be bringing back Graham Hill !
>

     If they do, they will have to dig him up since he has been dead
 since 1975. However, even in his current condition he probably has as
 much personality and charm as Mansell.

     Regards, Steve.
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Private Eye Records.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:56:50 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <1992Aug12.180525.25847@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.170629.6181@tcom.stc.co.uk> bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>>In article <782@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> jas@oasis.icl.co.uk (Jason Morris) writes:
>>>
>>>  Or "Je t'aime" (the one to which two ladybirds roll around together in the
>>>John Smith's Bitter advert, for the Brits out there). I can't remember who
>>>sang it, as it was originally released a little before my time. However, I
>>>believe it also spent some time at the top of the charts.
>>
>>Serge Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin.
>>
>Wasn't it Jane Firkin & Serge Forward??

Not quite, it was Serge Forward and Jane Firkin.  You just gotta get
the order of the names right.

Serge and Jane appeared on the track:

"Sex for children with Auntie Mac, heavy petting music from Serge
 Forward and Jane Firkin"

This appeared on the Private Eye record "Dear Sir, Is This A Record ?"
which was issued on 5 December 1969.

The UK satirical magazine "Private Eye" was in the habit of issueing
the occasional free record, often at Christmas time.  These were
extremely flimsy pieces of plastic, complete with a sticky patch to
ensure that they stuck to your turntable and not to the needle.

Eight such records that they issued between October 1964 and December
1970 were collected together and appeared on a more substantial piece
of vinyl.  Private Eye still issue the odd record.  As far as I know,
the last two were "Record Damages" from December 1987 and "Skeye
Flexi-Dish" from April 1989.

You may all wonder what this has to do with British culture.  The
answer is "Absolutely Nothing".  Private Eye records were often in the
worst possible taste, and all the better for it.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Confound their politics
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:34:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.060033.2917@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>
>Who said:
>
> "To be born British is to win first prize in the lottery of Life" ?
>
>(or was it "English"?)


	It was Cecil Rhodes who said:

	By being born an Englishman, you have won the first prize in
	the lottery of life.

	Alec Chambers

	born of a Scots father and German mother and pulling down twice
	what a Professor makes in the U.K.
From: cushion@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Megan S McCormick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: test
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:44:56 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


just a test folks.
From: bernadet@aisb.ed.ac.uk (PANDA'S WASP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Brits and Irish ---
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:02:01 GMT
Reply-To: bernadet@aifh.ed.ac.uk (PANDA'S WASP)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

Welsh for English is "saesneg" which looks pretty similar to the Scots
and Breton versions. Where are the etymologists?
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: saozhneg, saesneg, sassenach...
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:44:16 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

I think it is not surprising than breton and welsh word resemble
each others, because until year 1000, it was the same language.

and the resemblance brythonic languages and gaelic have ressemblances
too.
but the beginning of saxon invasions were in 6th century i think ?


breton 

scotland   --> Alba
Wales      --> Kembre
Cornwall   --> Kernev
Ireland    --> Iwerzhon

england    --> Bro-Saozh
France     --> Bro-c'hall  (gallaoued : gallic people)
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Confound their politics
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:00:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.150704.16612@ttinews.tti.com> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>In article (sorry, erased his name by accident) comments on my reference
>to England having become a third rate power:
>>3rd rate power - pah, being English is still to get life's
>>greatest prize for free.
>
>Goes without saying. I assumed that at least all English readers of this
>group would distinguish between the status of England as a power and the
>ineffable wonderfulness of actually being English.
>
>Dick Jackson

Who said:

 "To be born British is to win first prize in the lottery of Life" ?

(or was it "English"?)
From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:14:31 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

In article <63961@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:

>British women, having a problem finding a British man?  

	Why should they have to settle for British men?
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: royal family
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:37:34 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

>In article <1992Aug13.895.15961@dosgate>, richard.tanner@canrem.com (richard tanner) writes:
>|> 
>|> 1. Those of us fortunate enough to live under a constitutional monarchy, 

So you think it OK for a super rich women in another country to be head of state
for Canada?

For those republics which are not fortunate enough to have a constitutional
monarchy, how would you suggest we go about the conversion process?

How would the USA go about selecting a family, whose heirs would 'rule' the 
country, and who would be exempt from all taxes?

I can't imagine any country adopting a monarchy which doesn't already have one.

AS for Britain and her colonies, we have been lucky recently, in that the Queen
has taken her role seriously and has done a good job. If the reverse had been
the case, and the DAily Mirror was publishing pictures of a topless Queen instead
of merely Fergie, then we would still be stuck with the results.

The Royalty is based on property rights and the right of dominion over people,
an anathema to any democracy.

String 'em up I say...... it's the only language they understand.

Jim Munro
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: When the going gets tough...
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

Since posting my article about the T-shirt motto, 'when the going gets
tough, the tough go shopping', I've had a phone call from Germany
asking for a bit more info about the motto.  In the form as quoted, I
know nothing more at all; anyone know where that specific form first
appeared.  (My guess would be, an American T-shirt; but it might have
some deeper derivation.)

Ultimately, of course, it is a play on the old catch-phrase, 'when the
going gets tough, the tough get going', which I suppose really only
works in English where verbs can become nouns and nouns can become
adjectives (and damn near any part of speech can become anything, come
to it).  Wouldn't expect to be able to play word games like that in
German.

The latter phrase is variously attributed to Joseph P Kennedy (JFK's
father) or to Knute Rockne (famous American football coach).  It was
taken over by various bits of the military, by the American pro-war
faction during the Vietnam era, and by various other groups associated
with the more right-hand end of the American political spectrum.

And, that's everything I know about it.  Anyone have any info about
where/when the modified form appeared?

(Annie says it's a very American sentiment, and also points out that I
tend to go for a wander around the shops whenever my stress level gets
high.  So, maybe there's something to it.)
-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Confound their politics
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:51:17 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Aug13.144658.17613@ttinews.tti.com>, by jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson):
> It was dropped not because it is a bad verse, in fact it is a jolly good
> one, but because when England became a third rate power we couldn't afford
> to offend the knaves anymore.

I'm not sure it has been dropped - it was certainly still in when we
sung the anthem at the end of our school's Founder's Day service (*NOT*
a public school either I hasten to add). The National Anthem seems to
come in three versions, 1,2, or 3 verses "O Lord our God arise" - tends
to be verse two, with the tamer "Thy choicest gifts in store" as verse
three. I think the length depends on the occasion more than any thing. The more conservative elements of
our school, including yours truely, used to sing two with great gusto. I still do when I get the
chance. 3rd rate power - pah, being English is still to get life's
greatest prize for free.  

Andy

BTW back in the C18 there was a verse about General Wade crushing
rebellious Scots - any one got the words for that? This *has* been
dropped, though when I don't know.
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Manifest: No Dope for Untied Byronic Notions
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:55:10 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Aug21.162537.7700@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de writes:
|> This is aimed at the citizens of the following countries:
|>   United Kingdom
|>   Scotland
  [..]

|> That is all at this time.  IT is time to work to
|> this thing, and to do it so that we are.  Reject
|> Maastrick, NALGO, and small knobbly things with
|> raffia work at one end.  Let us Byronic Counts
|> untie this time, and lead the future into a 
|> great past.
|> 
|> Dove Shandy Yandipops

This is obviously a forgery because there is only one spelling error.
A true Yadallee posting should have approximately two per line on the average.
On the other hand, the ideas expressed have the cogency of a genuine Yadallee.

I am not sure about the recent posting from an unknown account in Edmonton.
The style and general manner are consistent with earlier postings, but
the opinions expressed appear to contradict them. So the question remains,
is Yadallee one person, and schizophrenic ? or are these multiple,
badly co-ordinated manifestations, suggesting an invasion by
incompetent aliens ? or is this copycatting by persons who only care
about appearance and not about content ?

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
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