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From: jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: MA to NC and back!
Date: 5 Oct 1992 03:29:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Hello everyone,

  In two weeks I am planning to drive to Charlotte, North Carolina
from Boston, Mass.  I'm curious to know if anyone has any tips on
planning a route, what interstates I should use or avoid, or any
particularly nasty areas for revenue enhancement.

  Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks...

    -Jay Giurleo

ps: Please reply by email.


-- 
                                  
     Jay Giurleo - jayg@wpi.wpi.edu - WPI Box 2080 - Worcester, MA 01609
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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:14:31 GMT

In article 20468@hubcap.clemson.edu, csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>From article <1992Oct6.115600.23268@colorado.edu>, by drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt):
>> 
>Gripes about cyclists deleted
>
>> 
>> How about when you get on a road, and the slower cars in front of you fill up 
>> all available lanes so you can't pass?  I've seen many pedestrians walking
>> down a bike path three and four abreast.  They get a little irritated
>> when you pass at 25, if one of them doesn't get run over when he 
>> makes a sudden move in the wrong dirrection.
>> 
>Generally the cyclists around here(Clemson, SC) are about as courteous as can
>be expected, staying near the shoulder(no bike trails here), signalling their
>intentions to turn, and the like.  When they leave town and ride on the two-
>lane secondary roads that comprise most of the asphalt here, they're often 
>nice enough to signal drivers behind them when it's safe to pass.  But the one
>thing that irks me to no end is a behavior usually exhibited by the members of
>a club run by a local bicycle shop.  They typically ride in packs of about 25
>and are identifiable at a distance by their matching yellow shirts.  They 
>almost always are in a very tight formation, taking up the entire width of the
>lane, and apparently have never been in a car behind a pack of cyclists going
>19 mph and wondering if it's safe to go around or if there's an 18-wheeler 
>booking along from the textile plant just down the road.  A simple twirling
>of the left hand from the rearmost rider is all that's needed, and is most
>appreciated, as that wall of cyclists is pretty damn impossible to see through.
>Even nicer, how's 'bout packs of four to six, single file along the shoulder,
>spaced at around 100 yards or so between packs?  Not too difficult to pull off,
>and it sure as hell makes drivers breathe easier when they can read traffic
>on their own. 
>

Hear, hear!

   These guys can be much worse than a squadron of Hell's Angels because at
least the angels move along with the speed of all the other traffic.
Courtesy is the watchword,here, and most of the cyclists I see are not
very courteous. They pedal along with blinders on and expect motorists
to yield to them all the time. 

Andy.
From: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Ferrari - Tokyo video
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:39:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Sep30.134622.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> gench@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>I read in the newspapers here a few weeks ago about a video made of a
>Ferrari F40 "racing" across Tokyo in the early morning.  This video
>is apparently similar to the infamous "Rendezvous" video made about
>a Porsche in Paris.

  Actually, the car in "Rendezvouz" is a late 60s V12 Ferrari.  I'm not sure
of the model though.

>
>
>		Clinton Hale
>		gench@lure.latrobe.edu.au




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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: 55:  And Then There Were (Please Help)
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:31:45 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1a5do1INN6v7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>When you do know it is safe to speed without getting caught by highway
>patrol?  A friend told me when you see all the semi tractor-trialer
>truckers speeding that you can assume you are in a safe zone to speed
>until you notice they slow down to 55 again.  
>Any thoughts?


You can never KNOW it is safe.  If the opportunity presents itself, I
get behind and to the right of a speeding semi-- since the radar cops
tend to be in the median, they can't read a car in that position.  But
you still have to watch out for cops on the right side, or cops
behind, pacing you.
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:44:12 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <26053@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>Ok, I can't help myself.  My problem with the gas tax is that it is a poor
>>people tax.  Ross with his 3 billion dollars won't even notice it.
>
>It isn't. And for exactly the same reason that the rich won't notice
>it, they'll pay most of it. Further statements are made below and in
>other posts.

Let me put it in simple terms; a tax on a necessity item (be it gasoline,
food, or medicines) is a regressive tax because low end incomes tend to
get hit the hardest. A Doctor's Infiniti Q45 driven 50 miles a day, say,
costs $100 a month. A mall employe's 1981 K-car driven 50 miles a day,
costs $100 a month. Let's say we hike the gas tax so they both pay $150
a month. Who's paying more? The MD or the mall employe? 

>>...  Some poor guy who can barely keep is '77 LTD running will be
>>trashed by it.  The percentage of your income that goes to this will
>
>If he can barely afford to keep it running, I imagine that also includes
>repairs on an old "luxury" car. Let him get an econobox, like anyone
>else who doesn't want to pay the piper. 

I hate to say this but the above statement is arrogant. It reminds me of
the 'let them eat cake' mentality... It's easy for us (computer types) to
go out and get a new car to avoid paying gas taxes; try convincing said
mall employe to buy a new car so that she'll spend the money on car 
payments and full insurance instead of gas... I.e. spend $400 a month to
save $50 a month... Great economics there.

> It would save him on repair
>costs, too. Overall, I imagine that it will be to the poor's benefit
>to move to less expensive to maintain cars that use less gas. 

Maybe we can convince the government to issue 'automobile stamps', with
which the poor can buy only cars with > 54 mpg... 

> It will
>also have the desired effect of removing old, run-down, oil-smoke spewing
>gas hogs from the road that couldn't pass an emissions test if the exhaust
>was split up for ten equivalent cars. (Or do you oppose emissions tests
>also?)

That's the only thing that I find good. Many studies suggest that 10% of cars
are responsible for 50% of pollution. But, just like insurance,
you'll end up with people who drive without the proper emissions equipment.
When I was in Detroit, people below a certain income and cars older
than X years were excempt from emissions... 

PS: read an article on the same thread to see why I oppose the tax. I came
from a $5/gallon country... 

Spiros 
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:00:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Pigs falling from vehicles
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

In rec.autos.driving, rjms@scripps.edu (Russell Mortishire-Smith) writes:

|In article <55890013@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:
|>Well, so far all the threads have been about inanimate objects falling from
|>vehicles.  Yesterday's incident is with a little twist.....
|>
|>The radio announcer, on the way to a meeting, mentioned that there was some
|>congestion at a particular junction due to some accident.  Didn't think much
|>of it as I wouldn't pass there.  Later, some guys who were late gave the
|>excuse that there were pigs wandering around the road.
|>
|A while ago in the UK, all traffic north of London on the M25 (major ring
								^^^^^^^^^^

Not in summer!  It becomes the world's largest parking lot.  I found out 
when I landed in Gatwick, headed for Cambridge.  It's diametrically opposite,
so the choices were rather limited...... :-(

lawrence

|road) was stopped because a hippopotamus was wandering along the freeway.
|I jest not.
|
|Incidentally ... while talking about the M25, recently a guy in a swift
|red Mercedes was speeding at 100+ mph and stopped by a traffic cop. Said
|cop approached the driver and said (sarcastic tone on) "So who do you
|think you are Sir, Nigel Mansell?"  To which the response in a broad 
|french accent was "No, Ayrton Senna"!
|
|Russell
|--
|rjms@scripps.edu   |If at first you don't succeed,
|		   |so much for skydiving.
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Here's a good law for you...
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:33:28 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com
Keywords: damned revenue collectors...

In article <1992Sep24.154810.10059@ryn.mro4.dec.com> balsamo@wmodev.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails)) writes:
#
#       The reason is probably that when you park against the direction of
#   traffic, your rear lights, which second as reflectors, are not caught by
#   the headlights of on coming traffic, therefore making your car hard to see.
#   Turned-off headlights don't reflect the the headlights of on coming traffic
#   at night very well.

Now THAT actually makes sense! I've never given it a second thought,
but it does make some sense. Thanks, Tony!

-- Mike

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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:06:21 GMT

In article Fy4@news.cso.uiuc.edu, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>In article <22566@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

>I thought the first cars had their steering wheels and controls IN THE
>CENTER, just like the horse-drawn carriages they were modeled after.

Yes, and the idea is coming back with the new MacLaren exotic. The really first
cars, if you like splitting hairs, had no steering wheels at all, but tillers,
like sailboats, but on the front.

Andy. 

PLEASE EXCUSE MY OBVIOUS IGNORANCE.

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From: kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano)
Subject: Re: Right/Left turn laws
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:41:01 GMT

Deeran Peethamparam (ins499y@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> The reason right turning traffic has to give way to left turning traffic
> is to get the right turning traffic out of the way of trams.  Since the
> other states don't have trams, they don't have this rule.  It's a bit
> of an anachronism, I feel -- only a small part of Melbourne has trams,
> but road users all over Victoria have to follow this rule.

	True, that would be a bit out of date, but i think it's a good
rule anyway, since it makes things a bit easier for the right turner, at
the expense of the left turner, who can usually use traffic for cover
anyway. Very logical, even if it was originally devised for a totally
different reason. It must improve traffic flow.

Regards, 
	Glenn

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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: (Defeating) The Club
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:14:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <BvnyIx.9E5@solbourne.com> kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
>While reading article <1992Oct2.212242.6033@scott.skidmore.edu>, I noticed that
>jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser) said the following:
> >The club is a great deterent for your average joyriders, but a real
> >thief will get by it one way or another.  Of course, besides just
> >towing the car, the club has a ratcheded area that extends in front of
> >the steering wheel (to fit several vehicles) and while it is
> >supposedly difficult (or perhaps impossible?) to cut through, it can
> >be cracked.  

A friend has pointed out that while The Club may be hardened steel,
your steering wheel isn't ... it should be rather easy to cut a small
section from the steering wheel and remove The Club...

>Actually, isn't this quite convenient?  I thought there was some stupid clause
>that the manufacturer of The Club (tm) would pay for your deductible but only
>if you had proof of failure of The Club.  I would surmise that smashed bits of
>Club would qualify as "proof"...

I wonder if a small section of steering wheel would qualify ;-)

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Thank you at night (was Re: Signalling one's desire to pass)
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Oct6.182435.9904
Organization: AT&T

>> Never, never use hand signals unless you absolutely must.
>> It's a bad feeling when you have to stop your car in the
>> middle of traffic to go pick up your arm laying in the road
>> that other motorists are running over.
> 
> Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I waive my right hand (inside
> the car), so there isn't any danger of some other car hit my
> hand while I am waiving.

If you wave your rights, though, you can retain your arms.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Thank you at night (was Re: Signalling one's desire to pass)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:21:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, karmira@natinst.com (Apostolos Karmirantzos) says:

>  What do you think is the appropriate way to signal a thank you at night
>to someone who went right to allow you to pass. If it's day, I just wave
>my hand, but what about at night?


Never, never use hand signals unless you absolutely must.
It's a bad feeling when you have to stop your car in the middle of traffic to
go pick up your arm laying in the road that other motorists are running over.

Instead flash your lights, honk your horn, and if you must do all the above
while weaving......then attempt your pass.
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies


 Khan (tmkk@uiuc.edu) wrote:

> I get the impression that many people who have been raised on expressway
> driving just can't deal with a 2 lane road. They'll come up behind a
> slower vehicle and just stay there, rather than pass it. 

The problem I've observed in California is that population growth 
has resulted in many two-line highways being too crowded to pass.
There's *always* a convoy looming in the opposite direction.  I'm
specifically thinking of east-west, trans-San Joaquin highways like
4, 108, 120, etc.  And on mountain roads there's *always* an RV or
truck around the next bend, so why bother unless they're going
really slow.

> I'm sure part
>  of the problem is the Geo Metros some of these folks drive; 

I rented one these once.  I had to make a conscious effort to practically
floor it to stay at 65 on the Interstate.



-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			 
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Shifting w/o clutch
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:03:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.053002.25655@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>What if your hydraulic brake system leaks?  A hydraulic 
>clutch system is very similar to the hydraulic brakes,
>and should be about as reliable.  

heh.

i don't think so.

1) even people who regularly flush their brake fluid often neglect
the fluid in their hydraulic clutch systems.

2) clutch slave cylinders are often far more exposed than the cylinders
in brake calipers.

i've had saab hydraulic clutchs go on me more than once; mostly the
early design 99 clutch.  we're going to have to put a new slave in
my girlfriend's alfa gtv-6 clutch hydraulics Real Soon Now.

they do go, and they go more often than brakes, from my own personal
experience, mostly because people neglect maintenence.  is this suprising?

richard
k
-- 
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From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:20:36 GMT

cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:

>In Malaysia and Singapore they also drive on the left, and I think all the 
>Commonwealth countries do.

We sure don't in Canada.  Another interesting change took place on
Okinawa a few years back when it returned to Japanese control and
driving went from the right to the left.  Does anyone know of what
happened there?

Bob
From: worden@bouncer.nsc.com (Dennis Worden)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: SPEECH ON SPEEDING W/IMPUNITY
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:34:18 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <BvMECL.K1r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman) writes:
|> crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark) writes:
|> 
|> >Adventure from the east coast.  For all you non-NJites, it's a one
|> >lane-in-each-direction road with a 50 mph limit (outside of towns) with
|> >hills and sporadic passing zones.  I came up on a line of 8 (EIGHT) cars
|> >just about bumper to bumper, with a empty space a 1.5 car lenghts long
|> >between cars 3 and 4 (from the back).  I signalled a lane change and gunned
|> >the gas to about half wide-open, and then signalled right as I approached
|> >the gap.  The van driver that was car #3 actually accelerated towars car #4,
|> >closing the gap off!!! 
|> 

Just think what the guy in the van thought when he realized that you were
intending on jamming a car into a 1.5 car length gap of traffic moving at
50 mph!!!  He was already doing something stupid being that close anyway.
Here in California, the old 1 car length per 1o mph rule (which he was
already grossly violating) has long ago been changed to a simple follow
2 seconds behind.  Of course nobody does this.  But Curt Lindmark was
jamming the line such that there was less than 10 feet between cars.  If
I had been driving the van, I'd have run his ass off the road.  I don't
think its a matter of courtesy at that point, I think the buy jamming
the line is the asshole.

-- 
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anybody, not even himself, in   $  but when the Team fails, you're FIRED.
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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: 55:  And Then There Were (Please Help)
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.204311.7415@cs.yale.edu> fields-doug@CS.YALE.EDU (Doug Fields) writes:
>Pennsylvania has those beautiful green and yellow signs that let you know
>that "Pennsylvania state speed limit STILL 55 MPH!!!"
>
>Damn communist state. Just like CT.

Maryland has those silly signs, too.  I chuckle as I whiz by at a
"slightly modified" speed.  8^)
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From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
Subject: Re: (Defeating) The Club
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:44:06 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
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>   It'll probably defeat the casual joy rider, and cause the serious
>car thief to look elsewhere if you have a common model, but if a
>serious thief wants YOUR car, forget it.

Well, it would take a pretty stupid thief to steal an Isuzu IMark... :)
From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: on which side of the road do you drive
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:39:54 GMT
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep24.024337.12431@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.190504.5734@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
>>This talk of left & right turns on a red (depending on which side of the road
>>you normally drive) got me thinking.  What does the traffic pattern look like
>>when you go along a road from country A to country B where country A drives on
>>the right side of the road and country B drives on the left (or the other way
>>around)?  Or is there no such road?
>
>The major countries where there is driving on the left are the UK,
>Ireland (?), Australia, and New Zealand.  All islands.

And Japan... island(s) too.

>-- 
>Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
>Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
>Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
>(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
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