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From:         Jim Cruse <James.Cruse@STANFORD.BITNET>

Sorry to burden the whole list but I can't figure out how else to
get this message to the list owner.  I want to unsubscribe this list
but have not been able to do so by sending that command to the
listserv.  The problem is that we have had a local change here in
how accounts are identified and the listserv does not recognize that
I am a subscriber.

I originally subscribed as  CN.JMC
Please unsubscribe that account.  Thanks.

Jim Cruse
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From: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Re: MIME (E-mail and calendaring recommendations)
Summary: MIME interface to chronus 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:36:03 GMT


In article <9209042223.AA03974@brazos.is.rice.edu> dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU writes:

> ...  Another possibility is to develop a MIME and Gopher
>interface to the chronos server -- it'd be neat for doing things
>like moving information between organizations.
>

I think a MIME interface, or some defined mapping of the protocol
to/from MIME would be a good idea.

For example: Conference schedules could be downloaded from e-mail or
net-news postings into your scheduling client program, which could 
display the options for you. [ Which makes me think of another problem
for the scheduler: maybe there needs to be a way to express travel-time
or some other in-between-interval in the protocol or user-agent. Two 
hour long appointments in your office and hour apart may be OK, but not 
two meeting across campus. Or you may want to make a general rule that
gives you 15 minutes prep-time before certain types of appointments. 
This may be more of a user-agent question than a protocol one: the UA 
could just post 15-minute duration "null events" as placeholders, but 
perhaps there should be a standard or advised way of doing that. ] 


I would also prefer a "friendlier" date format. ( And in general, try 
to make it possible for the exchanges to be human composable and/or 
readable. ) I can understand why you wouldn't want to try to support
all of the varieties of Date formats floating around in e-mail headers,
but why not a more rigid version of rfc822 dates ? (don't support 2 digit
years for example, but DO use local time +/- GMT in a readable format. ) 

One reason to support a "friendlier" format: New standards and programs
take some time to spread and be accepted. Is there a way that the server
can be set up to mail messages to folks who don't have a proper client
UA program ( with a little blurb at the bottom of the reminder telling
them about the available client programs, maybe? ) and perhaps a standard
style of reply to indicate acceptance to the server. ( as in listserv/
mailserv or usenet vote gathering type programs. ) [ And after someone 
get's their third or forth message saying to reply with "FREE: nnnn..." 
or someting like that, they will have been motivated to find a Client 
program to do it for them! :-) ] 

One nice thing about MIME is that it makes _some_ sense to a normal 
( i.e. non-MIME ) mail-reader. ( And where is doesn't make much sense 
it is: (a) compatible, and (b) a tease about what you may be missing. :-)

I've only just now read through the Chronos spec quickly: Is there any 
reason the whole thing *can't* be built ontop of mail, rather than having 
a separate TCP socket & protocol? 


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From:         Jon Biddell <Jon.Biddell@UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject:      RE: Eudora for PC

In Message Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:37:07 -0600,
  "Forrest W. Christian" <FORRESTC@CC.SNOW.EDU> writes:

>>  Does anyone know if Eudora has been 'ported' to the PC/MSDOS environment?
>>I saw that there is a EUDPC-L list at Brown but I have not been able to
>>get into the list yet (it is closed and I am pending subscription).  Does
>>anyone have other POP3 clients that they would recommend?
>
>As far as I know the IBM PC version of Eudora has not been released yet.

Currently in BETA test (I'm a BETA tester), it will probably be released as
a commercial product, and requires that you purchase FTP Inc's TCP/IP
package to run it...  Bloody slow, and a direct port of the MAC version.


Jon



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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:39:52 EDT
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From:         "Peter W. Day" <OSPWD@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MIME vs. X.400
              4 Sep 1992 13:30:40 U from <simpson_joe@MSMAIL.MUOHIO.EDU>

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:30:40 U Simpson Joe said in part:
>I have a question for the group concerning richer mail functionality than SMTP.
>
>It seems to me that X.400 and MIME are competitors here.  ....
 ....
>Do we want to ask vendors to supply MIME compliant products or X.400 compliant
>products?  I'm a bit uncomfortable asking for MIME compliance if I'm going to
>turn aroung and ask for X.400 (again) next year?
>
>What should we encourage?  Will X.400 ever deliver on the promise?

I would encourage vendors to support both X.400 and SMTP gateways, snd to
support MIME in their SMTP gateways.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:11:00 EST
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From:         "Linda Knutson; 802-388-3711 x5577" <KNUTSON@MIDD.BITNET>
Subject:      MIDD down Saturday evening to Sunday morning

Due to a shutdown of municipal power, MIDD at Middlebury College
will be down from Saturday, September 12 at 5:00 pm until Sunday,
September 13 approximately 9:00 am.

Affected nodes are:

UVMVM
UVMVAX
UVMADMIN
SMCVAX
NORWICH

We apologise for the inconvenience.

Linda J. Knutson
Manager, Technical Services            knutson@midd.bitnet
Middlebury College                     knutson@midd.middlebury.edu
Academic Computing, Voter Hall
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:49:00 MET
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Subject:      TICKET [.sara-cern]920910-1 CLOSE
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Ticket Number: [.sara-cern]920910-1  Ticket Status:   close
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Ticket Scope:  link                  Site/Line:       AMSTERDAM-CERN
Ticket Owner:  nic@sara.nl           Problem Fixer:   PTT

Ticket Opened: 920910 14:45 CET      Problem Started: 920915 06:30 CET
       Closed: 920910 14:46 CET                Ended: 920915 07:00 CET


Problem Description:

        We were informed by dutch PTT that the line AMSTERDAM-CERN
        will be down for some minutes on 15 September between 06:30 and 7:00

Affected:

        IP traffic between northern and southern Europe and USA.
        Also affected: EARN traffic.

Actions:


Time to fix:

Fix:
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:10:25 EDT
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From:         "Duane D. Weaver" <WEAVER@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      OHSTVMA to be down 9/16 7am-8:30EST
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OHSTVMA will be down on 9/26 from 7:am until 8:30am
to format the checkpoint area.
From: KOBLE@UTHSCSA.BITNET (nancy koble)
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Subject: down time - 9/12 from 8:00am to 5:00pm
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:03:00 GMT
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Due to hardware installation, node UTHSCSA will be down on 9/12/92 from
8:00a.m. to 5:00p.m. (local time).

UTHSCSA feeds UTSA86 UTSAVM1 STMARYTX TRINITY and MTECV1.  MTECV1 feeds the
country of Mexico, therefore all nodes in Mexico will be unavailable during
those times.

Sorry for any inconvenience,

nancy koble        Postmaster

University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
Internet:          koble@uthscsa.edu
BITnet:            koble@uthscsa
THEnet:            shire::koble
Ma Bell:           (512) 567-2069
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:07:09 EDT
Reply-To:     Mark Bodenstein <MAB@CORNELLC.BITNET>
From:         Mark Bodenstein <MAB@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      CORNELLE and CORNELLF off Bitnet

This is not strictly speaking a link failure notice, but...

The nodes CornellE and CornellF are no longer on Bitnet.

These machines, the Cornell National Supercomputer Facility 3090/600's,
are being replaced by an ES/9000-900.  The ES/9000 will not be on Bitnet.

As of right now, properly formatted Bitnet mail for CornellF and
CornellE (in BSMTP format, being sent through the configured mailers for
these machines) will be forwarded for a period of three months.  The
forwarding will be via the Internet to eagle.tc.cornell.edu, the AIX
system on the ES/9000 to which all users of these machines are migrating.
(Note also that Internet mail to cornellf.tc.cornell.edu and
cornelle.tc.cornell.edu is now MXed to eagle.tc.cornell.edu.)

Bitnet mail being sent though the mailers but not in BSMTP format will
be discarded.  (Sorry.)  Mail and files being sent directly to individual
userids (not through the mailers) will be sent to a postmaster userid,
and may or may not get delivered, depending on volume and available
staff time.

Our apologies for any inconvenience.

Mark Bodenstein  (mab@cornellc, 607-255-8059)
Bitnet Techrep, Cornell University
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:46:34 EDT
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From:         Randi Robinson <RLRCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CUNYVM unreachable 9/12-9/13, reason
Comments: cc: pits@pucc.BITNET

(times are EDT)

CUNYVMV2 and CUNYVM were unavailble Saturday, 9/12 @ 20:53
            through Sunday, 9/13 @10:39.

Two of our RSCS links were down during the weekend, causing
RSCS to reach it's spool limit.  This caused CUNYVMV2 to
reject any incoming files during this period.

We regret any inconvenience caused by this.

/randi
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:26:55 EDT
From: Vilmos Gaspar <GASPARV@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.stat-l,sci.math.stat
Subject: Nonlinear Forecasting

I'd like to learn more about nonlinear forecasting. If you know a good
book or a review article to start with, please send me an e-mail letter
to the address in the header. Thank you.

Vilmos Gaspar
Dept. Chem. WVU, Morgantown, WV
304-293-3435 ext. 22
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:03:00 CST
From:         HARTWD@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
Subject:      RE: Primer on chaos theory

You might also check out the two articles in Statistical Science
vol 7(1) on statistics and chaos theory:

Chaos, Fractals and Statistics, Chatterjee and Yilmaz

and,

Statistics, Probability and Chaos, Berliner


William D. Hart, Saint Louis University
(314) 577-8523
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:55:34 CDT
From:         Roger Brown <rbrown@MADDOG.FAMMED.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Bonferroni inequality (again)

I didn't pay that much attention to the discussion about type 1 error
adjustments on the list a few weeks ago, I should have. While I am aware of
numerous adjustments in alpha for a series of test (e.g., Bonferroni
additive adjustment, Holm's multiplicative addjustment, Shaffer's modified
sequentially rejective Bonferroni, etc.), I am faced with questions from
users again about what constitues a series of tests or comparisons. I hate
to stir this all up again, I remember seeing some very interesting series
definitions, would anyone like to comment again on this issue. Perhaps
someone has archived the original discussion and could send that to me.
Thanks for your help.

R. Brown

R. L. Brown, Ph.D.
Statistics & Design Unit
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=====================================================================
You can, for example, never foretell what any one man or woman will
do, but you can say with precision what an average number will be
up to.
                       (Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four, 1890)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:55:02 EDT
From:         BEV8000 <BEV8@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>

delete BEV8@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:55:00 LCL
From:         CROSS <CROSS.CPC@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      LISREL 7 on RISC machines

LISREL users:
  Has anyone used LISREL 7 on the RS/6000 yet?  I'd be interested in
learning what your experiences have been (good and bad).  How does it
compare with  LISREL 7 in SPSS under MVS on the mainframe?
  This is quite a new product so ANY feedback you could give me would be
appreciated.  Thanks!

Catherine Cross
Applications Analyst Programmer
Carolina Population Center
CB#8120, University Square East
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC  27516-3997
919-966-2830
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:36:22 EDT
From:         Greg Nelson <GNELSON@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      QFD Research

Has anyone heard of a method of packaging design research which uses
something called a QFD chart?

Thanks in advance..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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   UCNS - Client Services             Phone:  (706) 542-5359
   The Unviersity of Georgia       Internet:  gnelson@uga.cc.uga.edu

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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:44:33 +0100
From:         Brendan Halpin <halpin@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: Isaac Asimov on meta-analysis (fwd)

J. Philip Miller <phil@EDU.WUSTL.WUBIOS> adds:
>
> Joop Hox <A716HOX@HASARA11.bitnet>  writes:
> >
> > " I have got the works of all the old masters. I weigh them against
> > each other - balance the disagreements - analyze the conflicting statements
 -
> > decide which is probably correct - and come to a conclusion. That is the
> > scientific method. At least as I see it"
> >
> > Amateur scientist Lord Dorwin
> > in Asimov's Foundation.
> >
> Some scientists would like to do some of this balancing in a quantitative
> way--and thus meta-analysis was born!
>
> -phil

Some scientists would like to substitute quantitative techniques
for thinking, too.

:-) Brendan

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
From: BTD0@NIORDS1.EM.CDC.GOV
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Subject: Pitman's Test
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:38:00 GMT
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      I am interested in finding out the applications of the Pitman's Test.
Has anyone had experience using this distribution free test and could fill me
in on it's practical applications?  Thank you in advance.


Brian Day
NIOSH
Statistics Section
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:09:11 GRW
From:         "Cem S. Sutcu" <ISKAR5@TRMARUNV.BITNET>
Subject:      test

sorry, just a test...
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:47:23 CDT
Comments:     "U. of Illinois at Chicago"
From:         Allen Herzog <U50161@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Heywood Case

         An elementary discussion of the "Heywood Case" in factor
analysis may be found in that excellent book by Roderick P.
McDonald, "Factor Analysis and Related Methods", Lawrence Erlbaum
Assoc, Hillsdale, New Jersey, 1985 (pps. 78-81). He notes, particularly,
that a "common cause of Heywood cases seems to be a failure on the
part of the investigator to represent each factor by a sufficient
number of tests with large loadings on it .... More generally, if one
or more of m common factors have only two tests with nonzero loadings,
then those loadings and the corresponding unique variances are not
"identified" (uniquely determined by the correlations) and Heywood
cases are likely to occur .... Generally, expeirence suggests that we
can hopt to avoid  Heywood cases and, indeed, poorly estimated common
factor loadings and unique variances, if we make sure that every
common factor is defined by at least three and preferably four or
more variable having large loadings on it."
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:22:52 EDT
From:         Wally Dixon <dixon@NIKE.HEIDELBERG.EDU>
Subject:      heritability

I know there are a lot of issues surrounding heritability these days, but
I'm going to ask a question about it anyway.  I'm finding rather large
differences in heritability between boys and girls, and the natural question
is are the heritability differences meaningful?  Is anyone aware of any tests
of heritability differences.  Does anyone know of distributional assumption,
etc. of heritability estimates?  Does anyone have any references to the topic
of significance testing of heritability?  Thanks in advance.

_____________________________________________________________________________
                                   |
Wallace E. Dixon, Jr.              | "Humanity has been held to a limited and
Department of Psychology           |  distorted view of itself--from its
Heidelberg College                 |  interpretation of the most intimate of
Tiffin, OH  44883                  |  personal emotions to its grandest vision
dixon@nike.heidelberg.edu          |  of human possibilities--precisely by
                                   |  virtue of its subordination of women."
                                   |         -Jean Baker Miller
___________________________________|_________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:10:00 EST
From:         WEST@UNCA.BITNET
Subject:      LISREL and post-stratification

Has anyone out there used LISREL in complex survey settings?  I have
one reference for this -- Skinner, CJ, "Regression Estimation and
Post-Stratification in Factor Analysis," _Psychometrika_, v. 51, no. 3, 347-356,
but would like to see an exemplar study before launching into it myself.

Also, does anyone have Professor Skinner's e-mail address?  He's at
the University of Southampton, in the UK.

Thanks --

Mark West
WEST@UNCA.BITNET / WEST@UNCA.EDU
University of North Carolina - Asheville
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:32:49 GMT
From:         Ronan M Conroy <RCONROY@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Blue + sad = ?

Francis Dane maintains that adding "I'm blue" to "I'm sad" will
be valid if the two are correlated. But what if all those who say
they're blue are the self-same people who say they're sad? This
means that one symptom now counts for two points on the scale.
Clearly this violates one rule of measurement, viz: that all objects
with the different labels are different things. Adding together
items may produce pseudo-variation if the items are of the
same 'degree of difficulty' - very concordant, in a word (two words,
actually - well, ten, if you count the digression).

ronan
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:45:44 EDT
From:         Alan Jordan <QMDADJX@GSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      npar1way

 To Anyone:

 I recently collected some data from a sample of 261 university students
 (Georgia State University).  Some of the questions had three levels
 (yes/no/no opinion or did not answer), and some were likert scale
 (strongly disagree to strongly agree).  I wanted to test if there were
 a relationship between some demographic variables and the answers to
 individual questions.  (ex. is there a difference by race to the question
 "Do you agree with the smoking ban that prohibits smoking inside of the
 university buildings?")  Since we had five categories of race and five
 levels to the question, that would make 25 cells for a Chi-square test.
 With 261 subjects we had 19 cells with expected frequencies below five.
   I tried to do a Kruskall-Wallis test using Proc Npar1way in SAS.  I
 got the reults of the median scores test, the Savage test, and the Van der
 Waerden test as well.  I got some wildly different results from these tests.
 At least one of the four tests found a "significant" difference among each
 question by each demographic variable.  Nobody that I talked to was able to
 explain to me what the diffference is between the Kruskall-Wallis, the Savage
 scores test, and the Van Der Waerden test, so I just used the results of the
 Kruskall-Wallis.
       I have three questions:

    1.  Why should these tests give wildly different P values such as
        P =< .007 in one test and P=<.17 on another?

    2.  What statistical or theoretical criteria should I use to determine
        which test to believe?

    3.  Is there any such measure in any of these non-parametric tests that
        would be equivelent to a Tukey or Scheffe post-hoc?

 Thanks in advance, Alan Jordan
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