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From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: Putridity Incarnate  (was: Re: Galactica 1980 Question )
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:37:59 GMT

<BzCGoB.M41@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Dec16.111228.974@cmkrnl.com>
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In article <1992Dec16.111228.974@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>In article <BzCGoB.M41@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
> ztstodd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Todd Vaarwerk) writes:
>>>I can't disagree here.  I couldn't stomach the thing.
>> 
>>          Forgive me if I am incorrect, but when *I* saw the preview of
>>          BG, although it was opposite the Emmys, it was INTERRUPTED by
>>          news coverage of the peace accord between Isreal and Egypt
>>          somewhere around the beginning.  
>
>There was a funny cartoon about this in one of the regular daily strips. 
 
>Drabble?  Whatever.  
>
>Scene:  Viewer watching a TV set.
>
>TV set: (Commander Adama) Peace!  Peace at last!
>
> (someone else)  Yes, this new accord between our people and
>    the Cylons will usher in a new era of peace
>    in the galaxy.
>
>Viewer:    Don't fall for it, Commander!  It's a trap!
>
>TV set (voice-over):  We interrupt this broadcast for a special 
>    bulletin.  We now take you live to the scene of
>    the Arab-Israeli peace talks.
>
>TV set (delegate):  Peace!  Peace at last!
>
> --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
>Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or
jeh@crash.cts.com
>Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
 
 
Downstown by Tim Downs.  A funny, funny strip from my college days
that couldn't make it in the big time (apparently).
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet.chi.il.us
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Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:51:49 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:

> 
> [lots of stuff about how Yar's death in Trek was less affecting than
> Adric's]
> 
> I agree with that.  And in reference to the question about "didn't they
> bring Yar back?", they've had a Romulan lookalike who is (no flames becuase
> I don't remember exactly) supposed to be Yar's daughter or something. 
> They've had her on several times without even an attempt at an explanation,
> which is just about the most reprehensible thing any writer can do, in my
> opinion.  UGH!
> 
> Drewcifer
> 
 
Well we are getting off of Dr. Who a bit here, but see "Yesterday's 
Enterprise" for an explaination of Yar's return, and "Redemption I", and
"Redemption II", for the introduction of Sela, (mostly in part II).
All the explainations are there.


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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Galactica 1980 Question
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:56:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1992Dec14.051458.12572@u.washington.edu> quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
>>Dr. Zee....Robbie Rist(premier)                             Jeff Freilich
>>         Patrick Stuart(others)     Art Director.......Sherman Loudermilk
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^             Special Effects....Universal Hartland
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>    Whoa! Really? Anybody have any of Stuarts episodes on tape?
>
Ahem.  That should be STEWART.  Patrick Stewart.  Can't you guys spell?
	--MikE...Cave..C-A-V-E....Cave. 


-- 
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of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: QL: Things that make you go "Hmmm"
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 07:20:59 GMT

cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:

>"Well, uh...  All I remember is I was shooting a scene...  Then I
>was in a room with this weird guy who kept talking to a disembodied
>voice named 'Gooshie'...  And then I was here."

Well, to nitpick, that would be a disembodied voice named 'Ziggy,' not
'Gooshie.'  Gooshie has a body, Ziggy is the computer.

Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Time and space
Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu					  -Quantum Leap
Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
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From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
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Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:34:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Dec13.193144.471@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <rawdon.724208819@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>> [Crossposted to r.a.startrek.misc and r.a.drwho]
>> 
>> Once the quality of the writing plummeted (in the Colin Baker and Sylvester
>> McCoy eras, both of which are almost uniformly *awful*), the series sputtered

>I differ with you here Michael, the quality of the writing in those eras
>did not plummet at all.  The quality of the show's time slot did and thus
>the ratings suffered.

No, and yes.  The time slot did hurt the Doctor, but the quality of
the writing did go down (Pip and Jane Baker - need I say more).  The
writing did definately improve with seasons 25 and 26.  On the other
hand I reciently rewatched all of the C Baker episodes, and thought
to myself, 'Wow this stuff is good, quality stories, and excellent
acting.'  So I guess after several years of only trek episodes,
*any* Dr. Who looks good.

>> Star Trek: The Next Generation, on the other hand, is an example of high
>> production values failing to compensate for mediocre-to-awful writing.  The
>> result is a mediocre series.

That is a perfect summation of Trek.


Rick

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:26:40 EST
From: <JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Highland Music

First, I have never seen either Highlander movie.  Yes this is sad but true.
I will remedy this when I get done with finals.

2nd, Highlander is the BEST new sci-fi show that I've seen in a while.  When
I first saw it, I thought it would be dumb.  Every episode would come down to
kill another immortal, sorta like the old Airwolf episodes(the last 10 min).
Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that Highlander had more to it than that.

Here's my question.  Is there a soundtrack available for the series?  I love
all the music.  Where can I find it?  If there isn't one, could someone e-mail
me a list of all the song titles and their respective artists?  Thanx.

Jason K.
From: 2puhsagely@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re:Quark
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:32:07 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I also remember Quark with a k like the subatomic particle.  The first mate was
an intelligent plant.  In one episode he had a thing in his ear, which everyone
wondered about until he explained that it was the time of year when his species 
turned brown and the device prevented this. I also recall a show where the crew
had to steal something called the source.  I have read that there was an
episode about a superintelligent man who was turning senile.  If the "Sci-Fi"
channel was good for anything they would run this series.
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From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: Galactica 1980 Question
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:05:27 PST

buc@world.std.com (Quantum Buc) writes:

>mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:

>> In article <1992Dec14.051458.12572@u.washington.edu> quendor@stein.u.washington.edu (Don Sowell) writes:
>> >>Dr. Zee....Robbie Rist(premier)                             Jeff Freilich
>> >>         Patrick Stuart(others)     Art Director.......Sherman Loudermilk

This Patrick Stuart is probably the former Will Cortlandt/Cooney from 
All My Children
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Subject: Re:  Land of the Lost
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:09:10 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec9.181801.6734@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
>
>The Land of the Lost was a closed universe set in a primitive era.  I remember
>one episode when our heros climbed to the top of a mountain to see into the next
>valley but instead saw themselves on the top of a mountain on the next horizon.
>The pylons were erected by the Sleestak a long time ago.  Enoch was a time-
>traveller who knew how to use the power of the pylons and as far as I know, he
>had managed to return to his own time by the end of the series.  Enoch discovered
>that the current time frame of LotL was in fact, his future rather than his
>past.  And so, he found it very necessary to get back to the past and warn his
>race about what would happen.  As for our heros, they too eventually got home,
>sort of.  It seems that some sort of paradox with the way the LotL works requires
>that three earthlings must be in the LotL all the time.  And . . . have I lost you
>yet?

I remember that episode! Enoch has this device that can take our heroes home,
but they have to change places with three Earthlings ... so they change places
with themselves. The episode was written by none other than Larry Niven and
David Gerrold, and was the high point in an otherwise pretty dumb series.


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   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Krofft Superstars
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:01:52 GMT


	What WERE the words to the title song?

						-Quinn
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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 comments
Reply-To: hildebra@math.wisc.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:56:21 GMT

"Carol A. Buckner" <cb30+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> So what if it is a rip off, as a loyal fan, I'll be there in front of
> the set watching.

	What about Babylon 5? Do you intend to watch that as well? If not
you've pretty much answered the question of "So what if it is a rip off?"
If you say "Well I only have time to watch one new show and I'm a Trekker
so I'll watch Deep Space Nine," then you've done exactly what Paramount
wanted. You've let them exploit your liking of the Trek universe in order
to cut down the potential audience for a competitor's show. And given the
amount of work that has gone into Babylon 5, it would be a shame it was
bumped off by a spin-off show like DSN.

	I am not saying don't watch DSN. I intend to watch both DSN and
Babylon 5, but I must admit I have far higher hopes for B5. I think DSN will
suffer from the same problem that is slowly but surely strangling Next
Generation. Namely the whole situation is too damn static. There is no real
change in how the characters interact or in the characters themselves. (To
see real change in characters over the course of a show check out Blake's 7.
There's a lot of fascinating development that happens over the course of the
series.) DSN sounds to me like too much of the same old stuff. Babylon 5 has
the advantage of a whole new universe to explore as well as the fact that
they have planned the series with an overall plan for how things will
develop.

	Off my soap box now.

-Jeff
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the views of WSRN-FM, its employees, or mutant drosophila" - Off the Cuff
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:37:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1992Dec15.164209.24518@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> 
> [lots of stuff about how Yar's death in Trek was less affecting  
than
> Adric's]
> 
> I agree with that.  And in reference to the question about "didn't  
they
> bring Yar back?", they've had a Romulan lookalike who is (no flames  
becuase
> I don't remember exactly) supposed to be Yar's daughter or  
something. 
> They've had her on several times without even an attempt at an  
explanation,
> which is just about the most reprehensible thing any writer can do,  
in my
> opinion.  UGH!
> 

Perhaps you should watch more closely. They explained it the first
time she appeared (in Redemption).  She is Yar's daughter.

(For those who haven't seen the episode, spoiler for Yesterday's
Enterprise follow.)

In Yesterday's Enterprise, there is a reality shift, caused when 
the previous Enterprise appears in our time, and does not 
stay around in the past to defend a Klingon base against
the Romulans. After the reality shift, Yar is back in charge
of Security.  To fix the past, and avert a long war with the
Klingons, the old Enterprise is sent back to fight the good
(but hopeless) fight. Yar has discovered that in our time
line she died a meaningless death; she thus decides to return
to the past with the Enterprise and die in a more meaningful way.
She doesn't though: she's captured by the Romulans.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
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Subject: Re: B5: Some Babylon 5 discussion on the net?
From: mschmitt@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:52:01 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <BzGoy5.2xK@animal.er.bell.ca>, alex@animal.Bell.CA (Alex Laney) writes:
> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com wrote:
> : How about we get some Babylon 5 discussion going on the net?
> 
> Are you suggesting a news group in the 'alt' namespace?
> 
	I don't think that's what Lee had in mind.  What I think he was
referring to is that there hasn't been much discussion here on the net about B5
lately, and therefore people that only tune into the net occasionally might not
be hearing much about it.  There's been quite a bit of discussion going on
about B5 on the mailing list group (email to b5-request@iastate.edu if you're
interested in joining), but those are people that already know about the show. 
We're not getting the word spread around as much as we'd like.  So, if anyone
has any questions about the show, let em rip right here!
	Eventually, we would like to start a Babylon 5 newsgroup, probably
under the rec.arts.sf hierachy, but that will wait until after the premiere.

> 
> I actually hope DS9 will fail. Because I think it is only a B5 killer.
> 
	Despite being utterly devoted to B5 (yes, even though it hasn't aired
yet - I've seen a rough cut of the pilot, and devotion is deserved), I do not
hope that DS9 fails.  On the contrary, I agree with JMS himself in hoping
that _both_ shows do extrememly well - assuming that DS9 is a quality show. 
The more quality SF we get on the tube, the better.  It's just very important 
for people to realize that B5 is in NO WAY WHATSOEVER a copy of DS9.
	If one of them must fail, I agree with you.  However, I don't
think that that must necessarily be the case.
	'Nuff said (for now).

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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Buck Rogers Space Vampire
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:56:10 GMT


	I don't remember the episode where the Searcher's crew
were turning to slime.  Can you fill me in?
	You know, now that I think of it, there were a lot of
hot babes in that show.  Pamela Hensley as Princess Ardala?
Yowzah!  It also seemed so ridiculous how hard Buck tried to
stay out of her bed.  He even drugged Tiger Man and put him in
there.
	Speaking of the "Legion of Death" episode with Frank
Gorshin, there was some blond, empathic villainess that wore a
really tight leather outfit.  She was nice to look at.
	A young Markie Post appeared in an episode, if I
remember.  A dozen years later, she STILL looks good.

						-Quinn
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Crichton
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:49:36 GMT

In <9212012313.AA20199@rutgers.edu> 21329KAD@MSU.EDU ("Kim.Dyer") writes:

>Of late, however, I've noticed something distressing about his books.
>They go along very nicely until they hit a certain point.  Then, it's
>as if he suddenly realizes he only has ten sheets of paper left.  (Or
>that he's already run 1 hour and 45 minutes into the movie adaptation.)
>Sosuddenlyeverythinghappensatonce.   Loose ends are tied off by magic.
>You can almost SEE the credits start to roll  as you are reading the
>last page of one of his more recent books.
 
   Surely the first rule of writing is 'a story is as long as it needs
to be', Crichton would do well to remember this, there is nothing
worse than an idea which has been compressed or stretched too far.
 What needs to be done is to complete the story and then trim it.
I remember feeling dissapointed with the 'cop-out' end of Sphere, 
if there was an original ending which this replaced, I'd like ti 
hear it. 

            jon. 

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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr. Who
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:45:59 GMT

as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>A lot of people liked Hitler for a while too.  Like what you like, you will
>have no luck convincing me that a story which manages to trivialize (a) war,
>(b) chess, (c) Norse myth, and (d) [and this is the killer] vampires by
>failing to adequately explore *any* of these within its own plot and theme
>is a "masterpiece."  ...Come to think of it, that last sentence was pretty
>incoherent, too, but never mind.  Anyway, I felt that there was entirely too
>much in "Curse" to really make a good story.  Believe it or not, it ranks as
>one of my *least* favorite who stories ever with bad acting, bad writing,
>cheesy visuals, and lack of unified thrust.  I liked "Twin Dilemma" better
>than this tripe, for Schnopia's sake!


>>> Because before the Baker and McCoy eras, Doctor
>>> Who had believable characters and coherent plots.  At least in my book, you
>>> need both of those in order to qualify as a "masterpiece."

>I *am* talking about someone other than Ace, as it happens (he said with
>great dignity).  Ace *is* a believable character, just not a
>stunningly...never mind, this is over.  The other characters in these
>serials were the ones I found ludicrous and unfathomable.  Control (GL),
>just about everyone in Curse of Fenric, and several secondary characters
>from Greatest Show spring instantly to mind.  Many of these people are
>caricatures, puppets, made to do what the writers want without any free will
>or depth of their own.  There *have* been two-D characters in Who before,
>but never this blatant.  I just can't *believe* Doctor Who anymore the way I
>could previously.

>Coherent also implies that there's some sort of focus to the whole thing. 
>In "Curse" the focus was notably absent.  In "Ghost Light" it was closer, but
>again, the thematic elements were too diverse for any real focus to be had. 
>"Greatest Show" I actually enjoyed more than some of the other McCoy
>stories.  I've forgotten the other titles now.

I thought Fenric was okay (not the worst), but I thought it had potential
for being better than it was.  I too felt that it had too much pulling
in many directions.  I would have also like to see a tie in with State of
Decay - if and when there was a relationship between them.  The two episodes
seem to be at odds with me when I first saw it.  It's been a little while since
I've seen both, but I remember when watching Fenric thinking that there
was a contradiction. (I might be wrong).  Anyways, there does seem to be a place
where mention could have been made as to its relevance.

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:51:29 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

mscott@quaver.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott) writes:

> -- 
> Paramount owns the rights to 'Star Trek'.  FOX is the only network that
> I know of that has purchased the ST:TNG series. I wouldn't doubt that some
> other independents might have picked it up too. Since ST:DS9 will be closely
> hinged on the ST:TNG world, with TNG guest appearances, I doubt you'll see 
> DS9 on any station that doesn't carry TNG now, which is mostly FOX
> affiliates. This has also borne out to be true from the info I've been hearin
> in the Star Trek news groups.
> 
Just as a note; Up here in Montreal(Quebec, Canada... and no WE don't
have ANY snow yet... What a wierd winter this is announcing!) we receive
ST:TNG via the ABC affiliated station, but this week I have seen a 15
second "teaser" on the NBC affiliated station saying THEY will show
DSN!!

Good thing that one of the local station as taken it up too, I won't
have to worry that some dummy exec decides to put it in the same time
slot!

BTW, last I heard the uplink of DSN is schedule for Sat. the 2nd...

Serge Ayotte

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