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From: mhergert@esk (Mark Ivan Hergert)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Natural vs syntesized.
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:24:49 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

In article <BrstoJ.5xs@acsu.buffalo.edu>, pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas) writes:
>
>rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>
>>I guess mescaline has some of that potential too.  Others anyone?
>
>I had always heard that the effects of mesc were virtually identical
>to LSD, the only thing different was the dosage.  Anyone who can
>comment?

	Yeh, well Mescaline, Psilocybin and LSD all have a cross tolerance
development, and they are all Indole alkoloids which affect the brain    
through a common mechanism, so i suppose you could say that LSD and 
mescaline were virtually identical.  From what i've read, the sideaffects
of Mescaline to begin the trip can be pretty horrendous (Kind of like  
having the hangover before the trip), but the visuals are much more
vivid than LSD.


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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Even sea urchin sperm knows!
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:51:16 GMT

In article <q9ammkf.rcain@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
> 
> According to yesterday's Discover, sea urchin sperm has specific THC
> receptors.
> 
> "Echinoderms, the phylum that includes sea urchins, and chordates, the
> phylum that includes vertebrates like us, are believed to have diverged
> from common ancestor some [why do they always say "some"] 600 to 800
> million years ago.  Thus the THC receptor seems to be at least that old--
> which only makes researchers all the more eager [heh, heh] to find out
> what it does for organisms that don't smoke pot. 'It's survived over this
> enormous time,' says Schuel, 'Whatever it's doing it must be tremendously
> important.'"

	I read this. It is typical bad-science-reporting. Now did
	they find "THE" THC receptor or just something in the
	urchins that acts as 'A' THC receptor ? The question is
	whether the receptor in the urchins is exactly the same
	as that in mammals, or whether this 'receptor' is an
	unrelated glob of protein that just happens to trap THC. 

	Also, that a chemical receptor might last over a great
	length of time has no bearing on it's relative importance
	to the animal. So long as it is not deleterious during
	selection, it may persist.

	Given the tremendous
	variety of molecular patterns that chemicals or viruses
	may latch-on to in a cell, almost everything might be
	said to have a 'receptor'. So the question with the urchins
	is whether the THC (or THC-like) receptor in question
	is integral to some natural biological function in the
	urchins (wherein the term 'receptor' would be more
	accurate) or whether it is mearly a chemical fluke like CD4
	acting as an HIV 'receptor'. 
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13897 sci.med:14946 talk.politics.misc:36769 talk.politics.drugs:5521 talk.religion.misc:13126
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Ego & belief  (was: Definition of an addict)
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Date: 31 Jul 1992 11:22:44 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-*----
In article <1992Jul30.222021.25223@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
> ... I'd guess you [another person] also reject the higher 
> power aspect [of 12 step programs], since many people with
> advanced degrees are atheists with inflated egos. ...

Belief or its lack in the gods has no more to do with "inflated
egos" than belief or its lack in Santa Claus, "qi," or the
earth's orbit about the sun.  When believers cannot give a good
reason for their belief, they resort to attacking those who do
not believe.  

Russell
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: birth control pills
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:41:08 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Jul29.161835.15809@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, dillonth@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Therese H Dillon) writes:
> In article <geR2w1S00WB24FMH9u@andrew.cmu.edu> "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Hello.  Does anyone know of any drugs that have bad effects when used when
>>someone is on birth control pills?  I kind of think there's not much danger,
>>but I was told to ask, so I will...
>> 
>  the only danger of the pill that I know of is speed. they tell you not to do 
>  any forms of speed or you will spot. the only time I spotted was when I used 
>  LSD. all the other forms of speed I did did not harm me in any way. 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LSD - a form of speed???? (sorry for the nitpick)
Jeremy
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:03:56 GMT

jmctigue@WISSEL.STERN.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue) writes:
>Some thoughts about visual after affects:
>Some friends of mine who have done a lot of LSD say that they now have a
>few different visual affects as a result.  They include seeing floaters
>(look like single sell transparent thingies floating down your field of
>vision) and "static" (visual noise, often when looking at a solid color -
>the sky works well).  They say these are not always present, but if they
>look for them, they can see them.
>I noticed these things many years ago (long before I started tripping) and
>I don't think that LSD didn't do anything more than make the people aware
>of them.  It didn't cause them.
>And tripping hasn't affected my noticing of them.

Yup.  Only possibility I see is that LSD possibly made their vision
better so that they can see those suckers better.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
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From: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Subject: Re: Shrooms in tea (?)
Reply-To: Webbge@che17.ncsu.EDU (Greg Earl Webb)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.220252.4295@cs.tulane.edu>,
derunix@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (james wright) writes:
> 
>    Recently I've tried brewing tea with shrooms in it.  They were old, dry
> ones, and we didn't have too many to use, but we still got a pretty good,
> light trip.  Does anyone have anything more solid than a one time experiment?
> Does anyone know the soluability of phylisybin(sp?) (is it polar,
non-polar?) 
> or any other reason why brewing it in tea (herbal tea, btw) would reduce it's
> potency?
>    I usually have problems with shrooms in that they give me an upset
stomach.
> In tea however, they were quite pleasant, I'd almost go so far as to say I 
> enjoyed the taste.  I'd really love to do this more often if I knew I wasn't
> wasting them, so I'd really apreciate your information.
> 
> -Derek


You're NOT wasting them!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: balzebub@lacerta.unm.edu (Mike Decker)
Subject: THC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:05:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: THC


I am curious about THC... Is it indeed released by heat?  How is it
absorbed by the body?  Is it separable from the smoke?  

I am quite disturbed by the amount of black resin which accumulates 
in paraphnelia... what must the lungs look like?  :(

Is it possible to filter out some of the black -stuff- without also 
filtering THC?  If THC is a gas, it seems possible to both inhale THC
and filter goo with the simple addition of a wet cloth over a mouth-
piece.  

Just curious.



Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:03:54 GMT

bill nelson writes:
>> I took no "position", I summarized data.  Either they replicate
>> or they don't.  Sorry, not much controversy here.
>
> I have seen no data - or studies quoted by you - maybe I missed them.

I said summarize, not present.

> There was a posting listing a whole series of studies - these studies
> went counter to your arguments.

If you read what I wrote, you'll discover that I made no assertion
counter to them.

>> Why should we limit inquiry to a particular species?
>
> Because we are concerned with drug actions on people.

No, we are concerned with addiction.  Moreover, aspects peculiar
to a particular species are unlikely to lend leverage to
treatment.  Species specific behaviors tend not to be tractable.

> How do you measure addictive potential or abuse potential?

Apparently you missed the article in which I summarized an
operant procedure.  I'll e-mail you same on request.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: clauded@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Steven R Denton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Xochipilli in _Whole Earth Review__
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:35:52 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Can someone please send me (or post) the address of LordNose?

claude
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From: sabg9174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye)
Subject: Re: Please Feed the Spooks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:34:09 GMT

scottj@gumedlib.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.164930.17055@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, thorn@cc.mcgill.ca
>(Ron HALL) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1992Jul16.151108.10753@news.iastate.edu> paisley@iastate.edu (Dr. Martin Paisley) writes:
>> > In article <1992Jul16.121649.4401@wyvern.twuug.com> tmanos@wyvern.twuug.com (Tom Manos) writes:
>> > >Stuart Finkelstein <sf20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> > >
>> > >>>>>>>> Er, please excuse my ignorance, but what are "cascades"?
>> > >>>>>>> hmmm...I too am lost, has anyone seen my shades ?
>> > >>>>>> uh, this is weird, do you think it will fade?
>> > >>>>> Has anybody here seen my old friend Darth Vader?
>> > >>>> AARRGGH  I've cascaded and I can't get up!
>> > >>>FLARGH I've abraded and I can't get op!
>> WHAM BAM! I've just done the horizontal BOP!
>AH HELL!  This thing just won't STOP!
Kind of makes me want to find a net.COP!

Xref: sparky alt.drugs:13649 talk.politics.drugs:5404
From: alehecka@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (MERLIN )
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Quibbles, hypocrisy, etc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:19:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul28.164244.12882@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>All I was doing was making an unimportant, minor statement about the
>current government, I.E. an administration that thinks drugs are evil 
>and tries to ban them is not hypocritical. Stupid, shortsided, totalitarian
>and many other things sure, but not hypocritical. Why is it so impossible to
>have a normal conversation without everything turning into a holy war?
>

I disagree.  The current government is vaging war against drugs,
But it does not stop them from accepting donations and representing
interests of alcohol and tobacco industries.  Many  of the officials
are known to be boozers and smokers, unknown but surely sizable
percentage uses Valium or other 'wanders' of modern medicine.
George Bush is known to use Halcion. All this amounts to hypocrisy.

					MERLIN
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Canned shrooms?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:27:19 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Jul29.005237.21844@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah589@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Troy Blum) writes:
>
>As many of you know, Psilocybe mushrooms lose much of their potency when
>dried. Does anybody know whether canning the mushrooms would preserve more
>of the psilocybin and psilocin? 

My guess would be that heat from canning breaks the psychoactive componants
down even more rapidly.  Fresh mushrooms should be kept in the refrigerator
in a ventillated container.  Dried ones can be frozen.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my corrected PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Subject: Re: RFD: Recipe FAQ
Keywords: d{
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:03:37 GMT

In <1992Jul21.182804.1@vax.sonoma.edu> feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

>I was wondering if there is any interest in a FAQ containing recipes 
>appropriate for this group... Any comments?

>Josh 

Yes, this sounds like a very good idea.  It should probably include a lot of    things useful the average person i.e. not complicated syntheses for advanced    chemists only.

Swan
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.220145.22275@cs.tulane.edu> derunix@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Derek Wright) writes:
:  Although I'm no authority on this matter, it's my belief that these 
:strange audio and visual effects are not due to the LSD, but rather, 
:made noticeable by its use.  Quite frequently I've seen the walls start
:to slide, pictures bulge out towards me or other minor hallucinations,
:all under the influence of no drug at all.

Same here, and I've never had any psychoactives, ever. My old
apartment had a stucco ceiling. I'd lie in bed reading sometimes, and
every once in a while I'd see something moving on the ceiling in my
peripheral vision. But if I looked up there'd be nothing there. And
I've experienced the sliding walls and bulging picture effects at
times too.

Maybe having your senses get really distorted would make one notice
later whenever the mind's visual processing starts playing tricks on
itself.

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:30:36 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:
> Not surprised that you'd contend this.
> However, I still beg to differ.

You're differing from what I didn't contend.

By testing substances across organisms we discover a class
of substances similar in their effects.  One example is
that some substances are self administered in amounts
leading to addiction.  The data replicate.  Collect your own.
The apparatus isn't esoteric these days, although hardly cheap.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.083729.468@ms.uky.edu> sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes:
>It's interesting that an LSD tripper has pretty much the same symptoms
>of someone with acute schizophrenia. Imagine taking a dose... but it
>never wears off...

Usually the LSD intoxication is caused by will and therefore enjoyed.

Well, I can't see why people with schizophrenia couldn't enjoy it, too,
it's just a question of attitude. Well it can get stressing in the long
run, but this is what we have psychoactive substances for, right, to
experiencing The Other Reality?

-- 
jjj@mits.mdata.fi             Kirjoitatko sin{ n{it{ ihan selvin p{in?
jjj@niksula.hut.fi                          -Petteri J{rvinen
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Instant addiction (was Re: Partial Legalization)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:56:38 GMT

"Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I remember gradeschool brainwashing telling about how Heroin will most likely
>make you physically addicted as soon as you take it once.  Is this, in fact,
>brainwashing, or is Heroin that addictive (physically)?

	Nah.  Heroin is just like Morphine or Dilaudid in its habituation 
potential, from my understanding, as in some people develop a compulsion
for it, but not all or even most.   _Certianly_ not from one use in any
case.  A patient high on narcotics for two weeks straight _may or may not_
feel sick when abruptly withdrawn, but since a taper down of dosage is the
rule, it wouldn't even matter if true.   I think that many patients on 
sufficient doses any strong narcotics for a long enough period almost 
invaribly have some trouble quitting, as in they would continue forever if
it were up to them.  I'm no doctor, so this may be wrong.

	My grandmother was on morphine 24 hrs a day for 2 months solid 
after a knee replacement operation, and after they tapered her off, she
had no desire for more to the best of my knowledge (although if she did,
she certianly isn't in the position to get any, I can't imagine her 
wheeling into a bank for a hold-up or whatever.)

	Meaningless anectdote:  A guy I knew told me he was high on Henry
every day for a year, and when he kicked it he did not go into any "Man
With the Golden Arm" type withdrawl.  He just wished he could get high
again.  He could have been lying, or maybe he just forgot how bad it was,
as it was over 20 years ago.   He said he wasn't hooked, but he kept it
up because it's so great to be high on the stuff.   Sounded fishy to me.

>I've also heard that they first started making heroin 
>to help morphine addicts quit their addiction, but it turned out that
>heroin is even more addictive than morphine. 
>(is it true, or was I just a gullible little kid...)

	Heroin and morphine both will produce withdrawl with extended
use, and to the same extent.  My understanding was that doctors though
heroin was "different" when it came out, an "addiction cure" etc., but
after a while they found it was just the same old deal. 

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: basher@ces.cwru.edu (Tim Basher)
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:55:42 GMT

> In <187@cmptrc.lonestar.org> (Neal Howard) writes:
>>[...] MMDA (methylene dioxy methamphetamine, better known as ecstacy [...]

First of all MMDA is methoxy-methylene-dioxyamphetamine.

MDMA [Ecstasy] is 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine.

MDMA and MMDA are different chemicals.

MMDA				MDMA
                 O-CH3   x                    
                /        x                   
             C=C         x                C=C
            /   \        x               /   \
H2N-CH-CH2-C     C-O     x H3CHN-CH-CH2-C     C-O
    |       \\ //   \    x       |       \\ //   \
    CH3      C-C     CH2 x       CH3      C-C     CH2
                 \  /    x                    \  /
                  O      x                     O

[apologies for the cruddy ascii representations]


> In <187@cmptrc.lonestar.org> (Neal Howard) writes:
>>[...] MMDA (methylene dioxy methamphetamine, better known as ecstacy [...]
>> MDA, MDMA, and MDMMA are all three known to kill off the cells in the
>> human brain's hypothalamus which generate the neurotransmitter dopamine,
>> which eventially results in Parkinsonism.

In <lamontg.711971835@milton> (Lamont Granquist) writes:
> The hypothalamus doesn't generate dopamine.  And MDA/MDMA/MMDA do not
> kill *any* neurons, and most definitely THEY DONT FUCKING IMITATE IDEOPATHIC
> PARKINSONS DISEASE.  PLEASE STOP BEING AN UTTER FUCKING IDIOT AND SPREADING
> BULLSHIT MISINFORMATION LIKE THIS.

Well, I can't agree completely with either of you [but Lamont is much closer].

MDA and MDMA have been shown to be selectively neurotoxic to seratonergic
neurons in the brain of rats and monkees.  Note that these are NOT dopamine
neurons and such damage has NOT been shown in humans.

In fact dopamine levels were specifically examined and the report says:
  "Measurement of dopamine and norepinephrine concentrations in monkeys
   receiving the highest dose (5 mg/kg) showed that MDMA produced no depletion
   of dopamine or norepinephrine."

Furthermore the neurotransmitter dopamine is mostly produced by the substantia
nigra not by the hypothalamus.

Degeneration of the neurons in the substantia nigra does cause Parkison's
disease.

Tim Basher
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dl@thumper.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: DEA gets busted ...
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:47:16 GMT

	According to an article from apnews,  a dea agent and informant
were indicted on charges of falsifying testimony in order to convict two
men accused of trafficing cocaine. 
	They were busted because of the efforts of the Washington-based Office
of Professional Responsibility.
 Another DEA agent, Phil Kirkman, has pleaded guilty to charges
related to the case, Shedd said, but didn't elaborate.
   Richard Sharpstein, attorney for Bigoness, said the allegations
result from ``the ridiculous lies of drug dealers looking for
revenge.''

	I'd post the original article, but I'm not sure of copyright issues.


Oh those white knights of public morals.

dan
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bmb@bluemoon.rn.com (Bryan Bankhead)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Drugs
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:15:09 EDT

mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) writes:

> Science fiction novels often have "military drugs" designed to make soldiers
> faster, cooler under fire, more aggressive, etc.  What current drugs could
> conceivably have these effects?  (Is there anything that would increase your
> reflex speed?)

 I have heard that the standard army medic's field pack includes literally 
HUNDREDS of hits of speed (bennie's, dexies, something primitive like 
that.

 This is from
     bmb@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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