HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Dear Republicans
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:28:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.072118.1393@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>
>When the churches bus their members to the party meetings it reminds me of
>the union power tactics of the old Democratic Party.  I wonder how the
>Democrats got rid of that stuff?  Maybe we will have to learn from them.

Heh, heh.  About 25 years in the wilderness, with a 4 year reprieve
because of Nixon.



And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Independant in the White House?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:39:57 GMT
Organization: UB

Has and Independant candidate ever won the Presidential Election? If not,
who came the closest?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: James Carvile
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:30:29 GMT

I'm still moderately shocked listening to Carvile speak.  The moderate
Southern drawl is disconcerting.


And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: How times change
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:40:42 GMT

ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:

>  Remember how a few weeks ago when the stock market had an overall 
>drop of 20 points for the day, the Clinton "we're not going negative" 
>campaign yelled that the business community had rejected the Bush
>Presidency, and the "unbiased" media led the evening news blasting Bush 
>for the stock plunge.  Gee, isn't it strange that when the stock market
>drops 30 points the day after Clinton is elected we don't hear the
>"honorable" Clinton forces coming out and saying that business has rejected
>Bill Clinton.  Why isn't he withdrawing from the Presidency?  After all, he
>is already a failure based on his own criteria.  And isn't it funny how the
>"we're defenders of truth" media relegated yesterday's stock plunge story
>to a ten second slot right before a commercial, halfway through the news?

>-- 
>Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu

Actually, the plunge is apparently a correction to the market
because of the big RISE in stocks the day before the election.
This is called "sell on the news." The stock markets rose
in anticipation of the Clinton victory, and sold "on the news"
to bring the actual values in better alignment with reality.

This is also somewhat an artifiact of the program trading.
Many programs were doing heavy buying on Monday, and took 
their profits yesterday.

I don't think the stock market has any clue about whether
Clinton is going to be good for corporate America

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu

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From: sl930@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Ozone Man's Theme song
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:09:50 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Sung to the tune of "Nowhere Man" with extreme apologies to the Beatles:

He's a real Ozone Man,
Living in his Ozone land,
making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Has a warped point of view
knows not where he's going to.
He's not a bit like 
you and me.

Ozone Man please listen,
you've got brain cells missing.
Ozone Man, the world doesn't
like your plan.

He's as blind as he can be,
all he sees are CFCs.
Ozone Man can you see 
truth at all? 

(Couldn't resist)
Colin Murcray and Joel Poppleton
SL930@cc.usu.edu    SLTXH@cc.usu.edu
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: US and EC Presidents kill GATT (opinion)
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:32:52 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <BxCGqG.MxM@world.std.com>, crosen@world.std.com (Carl Rosen) writes:
> Partisan Politics takes priority over world trade in the final days
> of the Bush Administration.  
[...] 
> European Community President Jacques Delors, a French politician,
> protected his political viability at home by refusing to eliminate
> subsidies to EC oilseed farmers.  The agricultural lobby is a
> powerful, vocal and sometimes violent force in French politics. 
> Mr. Delors faces French voters in March.
> 
> In Washington, President George Bush met with his supporters and
> said "Let's finish the job with style."  He has apparently taken
> steps to keep his word.  Since he took office in 1988, he has
> driven the American economy to it's deathbed.  The coming tariffs
> threaten to "finish the job."  Both the timing and the content of
> the announcement to raise tariffs are interesting.  Since Bush
> could not fix the economy he wrecked, he has apparently decided to
> scuttle it.  

Oh, puh-leeeze!  If you honestly believe that Bush would deliberately 
"scuttle" the entire US economy out of spite, then you no doubt believe 
that Reagan was Beelzebub incarnate, and that Clinton is the Archangel 
Gabriel (albeit with a sax, not a trumpet).  Get real.

> In a shrewd political move aimed at destroying the
> momentum of the incoming Clinton Administration and recapturing the
> White House for the Republicans in 1996, the Bush Administration
> elected to delay the effective date of the tariffs for 30 days.  By
> postponing the start of the tariffs, the Bush Administration has
> set a time bomb that cannot be defused.  The effect on the economy
> will not be felt until after President-Elect Bill Clinton has taken
> office, creating the illusion that "things got worse as soon as
> that Democrat got into the White House.

So far, you've revealed that you don't know a helluva lot about the 
strength of the economy.  And don't bother to revile us with the usual 
gloom-and-doom statistics, because then those of us with ALL the stats will 
have to respond with the unalterable fact that the US is hardly on its 
"deathbed."

> President-Elect Clinton will certainly have his work cut out for
> him when he takes office on January 20. ...  He will
> have to calm Chinese leadership, upset and defiant over the
> possibility of linking Most Favored Nation trading status to human
> rights performance.  

Do you know which party sponsored that resolution?  And which President 
would not play along?  Yes, Clinton will have his work cut out for him -- 
fending off Foley, Mitchell, and the rest of the Old tax-and-spend 
Democrats.

But hey -- if that's what you WANT to believe...

------

 Paul Havemann, VP          HSH Associates            (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: paul@hsh.com     Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company."
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Individual rights Re: Mr. Waffle King
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:30:31 EST

john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) continues to whine...
>
>
>Sometimes the amount of repetitive idiocy by the left amazes me. Above
>we have an example of someone who obviously has fallen for the most
>vulgar characterizations and mouths them here as gospel. This idiot
>probably also is using taxpayer funds to soak up a sorry excuse
>for an education at some liberal arts school.
>
>Sigh.
>
>
>
>-- 
>John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
>john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
>- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep using majority vote to decide what -
>- to have for dinner. SUPPORT THE BILL OF RIGHTS - INCLUDING THE 2nd! -

And just what is your idea of a 'legitimate' education? A degree in theology
at Liberty University :)

Hey John, don't be so cowardly as to remove the followup newsgroups to your
insane replies so that people can't reply. You people at Anasazi have an
annoying habit of doing that (what is Anasazi anyway, some extreme right
wing fascist think tank? All of you people seem to have the same "groupthink".)


I had to do 5 extra steps to get this reply sent out. Thanks.

-Garrett

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.bizarre
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:20:30 GMT

In article <1d9mi2INN878@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
><RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>Congratulations!!!!!  Our turn for
>>12 years!!!!  Clinton '92 / Clinton '96 / Gore '00!!!!!!!!!!!  Way to go
>>America!  
>
>What, only one term for Ozone?
>

Gore will be revealed to be from the planet Krypton, and therefore not
a US citizen.  Vice President Russ Feingold becomes President in '02,
and wins the next two elections.  The GOP doesn't see the Oval Office
until 2012, a time in the wilderness equivalent to FDR/Truman.


And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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From: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: How times change
Date: 5 Nov 1992 15:51:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Remember how a few weeks ago when the stock market had an overall 
drop of 20 points for the day, the Clinton "we're not going negative" 
campaign yelled that the business community had rejected the Bush
Presidency, and the "unbiased" media led the evening news blasting Bush 
for the stock plunge.  Gee, isn't it strange that when the stock market
drops 30 points the day after Clinton is elected we don't hear the
"honorable" Clinton forces coming out and saying that business has rejected
Bill Clinton.  Why isn't he withdrawing from the Presidency?  After all, he
is already a failure based on his own criteria.  And isn't it funny how the
"we're defenders of truth" media relegated yesterday's stock plunge story
to a ten second slot right before a commercial, halfway through the news?

-- 
Richard Mulac                                       ck347@cleveland.freenet.edu
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       1996 election countdown - 1461 more days         | These pontifications 
 until the Democrats are thrown out of the White House  |      are my own!     
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From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Its official: Clinton wins
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:51:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1dbn4jINN8i5@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov writes...
>In article <1992Nov5.145221.29731@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>In article <5NOV199201422020@vxcrna.cern.ch> CASPER,
>>casper@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
>>>Face it people, everyone who works for a living is about to become a
>>victim of
>>>a four-year-long mugging by IRS.
>>
>>Face nothing.... The man hasn't even been inaugurated yet and the
>>Republican
>>"crystal ball analyses" have started. You people have been brain-washed
>>pretty well by all that lame Republican rhetoric.

In this one thing at least, I'm willing to believe the Slick One: he wants lots
of new government spending.  He wants the Federal Government to pay the health
care insurance of a sizable fraction of the country.  Where's the money gonna
come from?

>But then again, *they* were also the ones predicting a landslide for
>Bush...one questions the validity of their predicitons...

I predicted no such thing (at least not in the last 12 months).

>>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
  ^^ (are you an MD too?)
>>Senior Engineer
>>Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company

Since we're throwing titles and diplomas around...

David Casper, Ph.D.
Research Physicist, Particle Physics Experiment Division
European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Clinton wins in LANDSLIDE
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:53:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.221218.9465@nynexst.com> rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:

>
>Seems to me that democrats are like children that only complete about the first 80%
>of the thought process.  "Lets redistribute the wealth!"  Look, most people that
>have money have it because they are smart and worked for it.  People that don't
>on average often are not and do not.  If you evenly divided all money in the
>USA, within 10 years the previously poor will be poor again and the previously
>rich will be rich again.  Some people will just piss it away on beer and bad-for-the-
>environment disposable diapers.
>
>I could not believe it when I handed a pro-Bush brochure to a Clinton supporter.
>He started swearing and crumbled up the paper and threw it on the ground.  I
>take it he did not care much about the environment.

BOY THIS PROVES IT. the republicans DO have a better plan for the environment,
and this proves it. thanks for this incisive evidence.

>
>The first thing Clinton is going to do when he gets into office is send Mario
>Cuomo and the gang a big check -- and give that screeming moron Ron Brown a
>high-level position.  It will be payback time for a while.  And of course Bush's
>great idea to reduce health-care costs by limiting litigation is out the window --
>good idea or not -- because Clinton is literally in bed with lawyers.
>
>There was a big party in Bagdad last night.  Saddam is still in power -- and 
>laughing at us for getting rid of Bush and appointing someone new for him to
>play with.  I hope Clinton is not afraid to ask for help when a crisis appears.
>
>							--Rob.

Yes, and there was a big mourning in Beijing, where the so called "anti-
communist" Bush was the favorite. Reactions of foreign crowds and govt's
are pretty irrelevant. wake up and smell the coffee--63% of the people
wanted someone else beside Bush to be president. bush LOST. LOST. LOST.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: What is a Conservative?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:56:59 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov10.230134.26099@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
)In article <1992Nov2.152813.21375@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
)>Conservatives believe in limited government and the empowerment of the 
)>individual (the sanctity of individual rights a la Locke) to allow people
)>the freedom to seek their own happiness rather than to stand in a line
)>at a federal office waiting to receive what the liberals have deemed as
)>todays portion of happiness.
)
)Unfortunately, there seem to be VERY FEW true conservatives around.  Rush is
)definitely NOT one.
)
)A True Conservative (tm) would be against the RICO seizure statutes, against
)keeping drugs illegal, against keeping prostitution illegal, against making
)abortion illegal, against forced prayer in schools, etc., etc., etc.
                           ^^^^^^

FORCED?????   I don't think that the push for prayer in schools would FORCE
students to pray.  It's more of a quiet-type time.  BUT you can pray if you
want.

-Lee.

-- 
Lee Jorgensen             Internet: jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: As the sun sinks slowly in the west
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:08:51 GMT

sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk) writes:
>jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>> Republicans became completely trapped in a philosophy that held that
>> government could do nothing, and should do nothing, especially when
>> capitalists were impeded in any way. 
>
>I disagree.  Many Republican conservatives (who had served under
>Reagan) have suggested lots of ways for the government to help the
>economy: supply-side economics, significant tax cuts, deregulation,
>enterprise zones (which now the Democrats and liberals have embraced),
>etc.

Everything you mention is an example of government getting out of the way
or collecting less taxes in certain circumstances. This fits the Republican
philosophy of inactive government.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Bill Weld in '96 (was Re: Dear Republicans)
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:01:28 GMT

In article <5NOV199200510296@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
> I suppose we could do a lot worse than Kemp, but somehow he doesn't seem like
> ideal Presidential (i.e. executive) material to me.

You obviously have no idea who Jack Kemp is. Not the material? How the hell do
you get that? Weld is a good candidate, but he lacks the reputation of a
formidable person. Kemp has an intimidating composure, stand next to him
sometime! Have him shake your hand! I think you will change your mind upon
meeting him. 
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey , good bye
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:29:56 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov9.203708.11231@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
> In article <LARRY.92Nov5141107@boris.webo.dg.com> larry@boris.webo.dg.com (Larry Rogers) writes:
>>
>>
>>By the way, Clinton is already having an affect.  In the past month,
>>home mortgage interest rates are up nearly a point.  That'll cost us
>>more than Perot's gas tax.  The home owner/buyer takes it on the chin
>>again.
>>
>>Larry
> 
> give me a break...rates were going up no matter who won...since he won rates
> are the same in my town.  they had gone up about .5% in the previous month...
> for whatever random reason.  things are not as simple as you want them to
> be in your little world larry.  and those of us who bought months ago are not
> hurt at all.
> 

You know what it is. These people just can't cope with the fact that they
no longer are in possession of the White House. Or anything for that matter.
They really feel insignificant, they need conforting and nuturing. Perhaps
a good healthy hour of Uncle Rush is in order!

There appears to be alot of mental stress from what's left of the Republiclone
camp. Too bad.

-Garrett



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From: jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov ()
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Just for a moment
Date: 5 Nov 1992 02:52:36 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov4.172519.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>Erasing the party lines for a moment, I would like to thank everyone (even the
>Dems) for working hard on this election. Voter turn out was very high in most
>places, and record in others. This is what it's all about: Educating as many as
>possible, and then getting involved and getting the vote out. Finally,
>congratulations to the Democrats. Job well done. But, the fight is not over
>yet!!  ;->  We will be watching you, and you have no one to blame this time!
>
>--Vince

Oh I don't know...I'm *sure* we'll find a way to blame the republicans...:-)


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Subject: Re: SOCIAL SECURITY: Fact Sheet - 10/19/92
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:20:24 GMT

In article <11296@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.221248.4628@nptn.org> tmg@nptn.org (Tom Grundner) writes:
>>
>Bush said he did not lie about his role in the Iran and Iraq arms 
>deals "under oath".  He did, of course, lie about them to the American 
>people and will not be happy when his actual testimony becomes public. 
	Minor point: Isn't it true that presidents are not "sworn in" when 
testifying to Congress?  Was he technically even "under oath?"

Rocky Giovinazzo
giovinaz@hks.hks.com
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From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Net Shills for Bush-Quayle: Caught Ya, Guys
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:08:08 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Nov11.001753.12304@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.234736.833@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
>>
>>By this logic, I wonder if "Eileen Simpson" is a real person at all.  Isn't
>>it a wierd coincidence that she started posting 'disillusioned Republican'
>>messages at the same time that the Dems were trying to push this Republican
>>bandwagon idea?  Hmm? [*]
>>
>>* As another poster said, read as much humor into this as you want.
>
>Bush was really one of Ours, planted to bring down the government.  So
>was Perot for that matter (well, we were beaming messages into his
>head through little receivers placed in his fillings.  Ah, the
>miracles of techology!).  We, the people of Planet Zitag, are really
>in control of everything.  Resistance if futile.
>

Actually, my original mission was to infiltrate Republican focus groups.
The Bush campaign's decisions to ignore the economy and focus on the morals
of fictional television characters and to be entirely subservient to the
extreme right wing were the result of ideas I gave them.

Seriously, Steve Chung is either very naive or very desperate to cover for
his buddies.  The posts on the Tower argument did not appear until the last
week of the campaign and fit right into the timing of Quayle's pitch to
Baker to make this a final smear against Clinton.  The timing, the content--
all a perfect fit with the Quayle smear.  It was a net plant by the Bush-Quayle
campaign. Anyone who followed that thread can take a good guess who was in
on it and draw their own conclusions.

The really interesting thing to me is that we obviously have some people on
the net who are willing to dive for voters at levels even the Bush campaign
found repugnant and rejected outright.  Hardly something to put on a resume.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc