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From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Campy brake hoods
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:01:29 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Aug15.202931.2289@wam.umd.edu> ozcomert@wam.umd.edu (John Sedat Ozcomert) writes:
>
>Please let me know if anyone has experienced this problem and/or has a 
>solution:
>
>Several years ago I purchased Campy Athena brakes and I have been very happy
>with them except for one thing: the brake hoods slowly ripped on the underside
>and are now held on with tape.  For most other brands this would not present
>a problem; simply replace the hoods.  But Campy hoods are about $30 EACH!!
>-John Ozcomert

I ran into exactly the same problem- except my hood was a crash casualty...

I found some $7/pair hoods made by AME.  They are non-aero, but the "plugs"
from my old campy hoods fit the cable holes in the new hoods.  The hoods
were really a pain to put on (used lots of Windex as a lubricant and needed
to use screwdrivers to pry the hoods with), but once they were on, they
didn't fit too badly at all.  The upper 'points', where the plugs go, are
a little too loose, but other than that I am happy with the fit.  I was
also able to find all sorts of colors other than white (I went with purple).
The hoods were labeled "Campy Style" and appear designed for the old campy
levers.

Certainly worth the $$ savings in my opinion.
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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Overtraining.
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:26:15 EDT

Hello.

I want to get any information about overtraining, ie. things like symptons
(sp?), treatment, how to train to avoid overtraining. Other experiences with
overtraining. All kind of information about this topic are wanted!

Please e-mail me and I'll make a summary and post it to the net.

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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:26:27 GMT

|> er, didnt a geezer called Galileo use the leaning tower of Pisa to
|> demonstrate that heavy objects fall at the same speed as light ones?
|> (he dropped a cannon ball and a bullet off the top, and they landed
|> together. 

Galileo hypothesized this result, assuming no air friction.  He never
actually carried out the experiment.

In fact, many a college physics class has disproved it by dropping
objects of varying sizes/masses off their roofs.

|> While the accelaration, and speed should be similar, the momentum will
|> differ of course,[ momemtum = mass * velocity ]
|> but this will not affect the speed directly, apart
|> from providing kinetic energy to overcome losses due to friction).

This does not take into account air friction.  Beware of high school
physics.  It ignores many factors that are important in real life.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
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From: TBARNETT@lexmark.com (Tyler Barnett)
Subject: Suntour Command Shifters
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:33:31 GMT

I noticed in a recent Nashbar catalog an ad for Suntour Command shifters,
and am wondering if they would work with my Specialized Sirrus, which was
bought new several months ago, and which has Suntour Blaze components.
The bike has a 7-speed cassette, and has index shifting on the downtube.
My commute is 17 miles one-way thru rolling country roads, and I am
constantly shifting.  I would shift even more often if the shifter were
more convenient!  Thanks, Tyler
N4TY@lexmark.com
From: jrh@mustang.dell.com (Randy Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Greg Lemond retires?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:49:05 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation, UNIX Development

I heard on the radio today that Lemond announced he is 'dropping out of the
pro tour' because he is 'not feeling well'.  Not sure if this is a permanent
thing, or just for this year.  Anyone know more about this?

-- 

Randy Howard            _o	    @'s: jrh@dell.com
Dell Computer Corp.     \<,	    !'s: ...!uunet!dellunix!jrh
______________________()/ ()______________________________________________
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From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Subject: Re: SPD and RAD.
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:11:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.221642.19916@adobe.com> zstern@adobe.com (Zalman  
Stern) blathers:
> it pretty close. ($235 normally though its free if you buy your cleats and  
> shoes at that store.) I haven't had any problems except for a week ago  
> Sunday, I rode 66 miles (550 feet of climbing) in a century before bailing  
Correct numbers are $35 (not $235) and 5,500 feet (not 550).
--
Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson
From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:34:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug19.223402.14927
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>>  As for the flashing tail-light.  I find them, completely, utterly usless.  I
>>can barely see them on a cyclist.  In fact I also think about as little about
>I can't let this one go.  As a motorist, I have seen Vista-Lites in broad
>daylight!  It I have any complaint about them, it's that they're distracting
>at night. 
>As a bike commuter, I run mine day or night.  Maybe other flashing lights
>are useless, 
>but the Vista and Cue are great In_My_Not_The_Least_Bit_Humble_Opinion.
>	Bob

	A great deal of the Vistalite's visibility depends on
the batteries and the angle of the light.  The LEDs are fairly
directional in their light throwing, and if they are angled straight
at a driver, the dirver can usually spot them very easily at night.
The darker the night, the better.  If the light is accidentally facing
a bit down, however, it can be hard to spot.
-Case
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws reduce cycling in Oz
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:44:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Last year there were approximately 50,000 highway fatalities
in the United States. During this same time there were
approximately 850 bicycle fatalities.

What I want to know is why bicycle fatalities should even be
considered at this point in time by _any_ governmental
agency? Maybe by the industry and bicyclists themselves,
But why government?

The answer is because the government wants to be perceived as
doing something while at the same time they don't want to
make enemies of powerful groups. So they do essentially
nothing about automobile fatalities (it has been shown that
heavy traffic enforcement greatly reduced accidents) while
offering these useless bandaids to bicyclists, a group they
consider politically helpless.

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Subject: Re: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 1
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 12:57:00 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <MOORE.92Aug19074015@defmacro.cs.utah.edu>, moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim
Moore) says:
>
>   PDM's team manager Jan Gisbers is said to become manager of Lotus Festina,
>   but only if he can take a top rider with him. As Breukink is supposed
>   to go to ONCE, rumour now has it that he will take Theunisse.
>
>?? Theunisse rides for TVM.
>
>--
"Take" was perhaps the wrong word, they'll have to pay for him of course.
I may add that Lotus/Festina has a bad reputation with rumoured transfers.
They were supposed to be the sponsors of the PDM already this year, but
after some very awkward moves the whole thing was blown off, but they
somehow managed to keep Sean Kelly out of the whole scam. Gisbers
appeared to be very angry; obviously he has changed his mind. That's
what makes pro sport so interesting isn't it. :-l
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From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes 
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:06:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <cx9m=p.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>1) There was nothing illegal about one transportation manufacturer
>buying another. Do you have some sort of evidence to the contrary?

There is an anti-trust act that prohibits the purchase of a competitor
just to shut it down and eliminate competition.  I believe this legis
-lation was enacted in the 20's.

>2) The superhighway system was needed as was evidenced by the 
>stupendous economic growth brought about by the installation of that 
>system.

Our "stupendous economic growth" was far more a result of our general
lack of global economic competitors.  Attributing this to the 
interstate highway system is akin to crediting the railroads for the
industrial revolution.

>Yeh, we have sure seen how much our government can or will reduce
>taxes. Are you from outer space? :-)

Reagan reduced taxes on the wealthy from 70% of income to 28% of income
in his first term, recently the Congress repealed the consumption taxes
on luxury boats, cars, and other toys for the wealthy.  The recent
energy act provides subsidies for U.S. oil producers, dropping the
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:34:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9208191744.AA25778@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>
>The dual pivot is actually a fix for the dragging brake syndrome in that
>it is a centered brake.  It always opens equally to both sides.  Its
>weakness is that it cannot track a wobbly rim (one with a broken spoke)
>because it is not free to swing from side to side when applied.  It
>locks up when the wheel wobble tries to pass.
>
>So don't jump to conclusions on the basis of advertising claims.
>
I am not jumping to conclusions on the basis of any advertising claims.
I much prefer actual experience since it is the subjective experience
that makes up the art of bicycling.

I have _yet_ to see someone experienced on a bicycle come back from
a test ride on a bike with dual pivots that hasn't said almost
the same thing, "You have to _really_ watch those brakes!" I have the
DuraAce STI setup on my Basso and have put 105's on a previous
Peugeot. In both cases they worked demonstrably easier and more
powerfully than the previous well-designed brakes.

My Peugeot PX-10 time trial bike presently has a Super Record
groupo on it and the brakes don't work until the pads are
almost melting. My cantilevers all are adequate but uninspiring.

On my mountain bike I changed off the XC-E canti's for 987's
and while there was an improvement that mountain bike doesn't
stop like my Basso.
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drillium
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:14:03 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

John Wilbrand Dahlgren writes:
>I had just finished drilling my water bottle and was going to start
>on my tires, but the drill shorted out. Don't forget to empty
>the water bottle first.

I had much the same problem once when I drilled out my head.  I went to install
the titanium knee caps but the drill bit had gotten worn out and I couldn't
remember where to get another one.

Paul ?
?????, NM
From: sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lead and Commuting
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:49:30 GMT
Organization: Chaos
In-reply-to: sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk's message of 20 Aug 92 08:29:37 GMT

In article <10184@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91) writes:
   In article <1992Aug17.150638.12202@maths.tcd.ie> bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
   >
   >Does anyone out there know what effect car fumes and other pollutants
   >have on the commuting cyclist. In particular I am interested in blood
   >lead levels. Is this a problem for people cycling in traffic? 

   Typically, cyclists have HALF the pollution levels of car drivers.  I
   heard that this is due to the enclosed space of a car trapping fumes,
   while a cyclist is in the open air.

The main reason is that cars have their air intake at the worst
possible height (level with the exhausts). As a cyclist, you get to
sample a layer a bit higher up. I sometimes think of this as a
consolation on particularly bad days. The distance to the source
matters a lot btw - I did wonderfully progressive "Environmental
Science" in school, and we didn't just get to read it in the course
book, but also stood and measured gasses and set up measuring
equipment for particles at variously heavily trafficked crossings.
Surely good for us, but we got the points. For instance, it *really*
pays for pedestrians to take one step back when waiting at a red
light. And it really pays to not be a kid.

(Barry Paul) >Is there
   >any simple way of measuring the qty of lead in your blood? Do masks
   >filter lead out, if so what are the best types and where can I get one? 

Just like water filters, masks [at least here] are sold without any
statistics about their efficiency whatsoever. In the case of water
filters, you have the option of cursing the manufacturers and buying
suitably documented mineral water[*]. In the case of air, you curse
the manufacturers and maybe get a mask anyway. I've got one, with a
carbon filter. I sincerely doubt it can do that much, except possibly
in the case of particles, but then a lot of the other junk attaches to
particles and does more damage that way. It makes me feel a bit better
on days of inversion. In the summer, I don't use it much. But then I
don't have to ride in the worst places much.

[*] Given recent scandals, that's not necessarily safe either, but at
    least it is not transported in lead containers, contrary to the
    tap water in many places in this town.

Ana


--
Isn't everyone?
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From: kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton)
Subject: Re: Profile BREEZE recall
Originator: kmb@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:36:53 GMT



	OK, maybe I shouldn't have said that I wanted light weight components.  I
guess I should have said better looking components.  After riding and racing and
owning a bike shop the last eight years or so, I've noticed that most components
have gained weight and volume.  Compared to when I started derailleurs are now
just a big clump of metal of which most is for the indexing I assume.  I don't
like indexed shifting but no-one seems to be making bare essential components
anymore (anyone remember the Huret Jubilee).  My mountain bike has rapid fire,
which I really don't like, but I don't ride enough to change it.  I've got a 
road bike with the new 600 STI stuff and it weighs a ton, I don't really like
reaching way out front to shift either especially when I'm dead beat tired and my
hands try to shift and brake at the same time.  I still have an old SL tubed Olmo
built up with the super record that gets ridden on sunny dry days.  Its got alot
of mileage, but it still rides smooth.  Bikes used to be a work of art with hand
filed lugs, laquer and chrome finishes.  Now all I see are aluminum, neon-colored
tri-geek bikes ridden by guys in ugly multi-colored clothes.

	As for drilling out water bottles - you guys must be tri-geeks. 

	Thanks to Harry Phinney who emailed some enLIGHTening stuff.

Kurt "I'm not upset, I just haven't ridden my bike yet today" Brunton

p.s. - Before any triatheletes start flaming away, I wasn't talking about you,
unless of course you are one of those riders with permanently mounted aero bars
who ride on them while in the pace line and always pulls out of the pace line
a couple of riders before you get to the front and wear or have on your bike 
something that is neon yellow.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Shift levers
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:50:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <5754@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>Has anyone done a comparison of the various shift lever systems recently?

I have used the DuraAce STI's, the barcons and a short hop on a
bike with grip shifters.

The STI is so completely ergonomic that not much could improve it.
I have looked at the Campi Ergos and they look pretty good too
but that big open slot in the side of the mechanism -- asking for
dirt and contamination to enter -- and the wobbly rubber hoods
put me off a little. I think Campi will have an improved version out
in a couple of years and if I wanted Campi I would wait.

The barcons are really touring bike stuff. OK but still in the wrong
spot for real racing. Like downtube shifters you can grow to 
like them.

The grip shifters I used were pretty good but that was before I
got used to STI so it was really an improvement on downtube shifters.

For my money I would get STI all of the time now.
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From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Summary: where to get citrus degreasers
Keywords: citrus, degreaser
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.220122.10429@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
>In article <4bCV02iu1e9n01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>> Citra-Solv is *much* more potent and effective...
>
>Where, in general, do you find this product?  Hardware store?  Bike store?
>Paint store?  Citra-Solv-'R-Us?  ...Joakim

I have always purchased my citrus degreasing fluid at WalMart stores in
the U.S.  They have carried a brand called "D-Solv-It" (I am pretty
sure about that spelling) for quite a bit longer than people have
been talking about citrus cleaners here on the net.

The last time I bought a bottle (8 ounces or so), it was about $3.
It last quite a long time, because a little on a rag does quite a lot.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest

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From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Brakepads & SHOPS v. CATALOGS
Summary: The "BN" Word
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:51:36 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

In article <1992Aug11.125636.2844@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, pauls@mudskipper.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
> In article <1426@seqp4.sequoia.com> alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art  
> LaValle) writes:

> > sale. This is particularly true with items that have been on his/her  
> > shelf for awhile. Remember,
> > they won't kill you for asking.
> 
> They won't kill you, but they'll sure dive for cover when they see you  
> come in the door the next time.  I've been known to cut a deal to someone  
> with reference to a mail order price myself, but if they keep it up, I  
> start explaining the facts of life to them, and then I start saying no.

You're correct on this point, I never "threaten" a bike shop with
Mail Order prices. I do have in my mind a price that I know I can
get it for through mail order - and if the shop is willing to sell
it to me for that price, then there is a sale. If not I probably 
won't by go through the trouble of ordering it through mail order
anyway. If the shop indeed matches the price I have in *my mind*, then
I consider this a good deal and I'll fork over the bucks for something
I wasn't really shopping for in the first place.

I frequent most of the bike shops in the area I live in, and alot of
them are owned by people I've been riding with for years. They all
know that I spread my businees out amongst them all (some of them are
fierce business (previously racing) competitors), but they understand
that I have more than *one* friend in the bike retail business.

The one thing that I *absolutely* never do is mention the *BN* word. If
there is one thing that'll flip out a local Bike shop owner quicker than 
any analogy I can think of it's the mention of Bike Nashbar.
Remember, I still ride with some of these folks and I'd like to keep
it pleasant :-)
From: lienhart@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bob Lienhart)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain length
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:22:32 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.

Count links, not length!

Bob Lienhart
From: jmyers@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jonathan E Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:57:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>
>I don't understand why, but "amateur" team sponsorship has gotten so
>plentiful that even mediocre, over-the-hill riders like myself can get
>free bikes, clothes, paid travel expenses and entry fees.  This is
>amateurism?
>
>Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com

I wish I lived in Corvallis, Here in Portland I sure don't get free anything or
paid expenses or entry fees.  I'm happy to get a discount on parts and a
good deal on a bike.

What is ment by amateur?  I consider myself amateur, yet I got about $300
cash from bike racing last year (I would be afaid to think how much I spent!)
I don't get paid to race, yet I get money from races.  Is this amateur?

		Jon Myers
From: gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:23:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.16190389
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>There are more than two - Finish Line makes one as well.  It certainly *looks*
>better than the the Park.  It comes with a citrus-based degreaser.

I bought the finish line version.  The citrus-based degreaser is the best part
of the bargain.  It is powerful (bad on jockey wheels I hear) and leaves
your hands smelling like you ate an orange rather than like you just rebuilt 
your car.

It is way too expensive though, about $10 a pint.

Greg Hughes.
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