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From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: 10 CDs for the price of 1: kosher?
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:14:31 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan5.053053.17534@news.acns.nwu.edu> alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik) writes:

>I've tried a number of clubs, and my favorite is BMG.  8-for-1, nothing else
>to buy.  The selection isn't fabulous, but I never have trouble picking out my
>eight CD's... and what's even more fun is that I sign up my parents every
>year, so when I return from college, I get another 8-for-1, and then I sign
>myself up at college, and so on :-)  

You can get an extra 2 CDs by signing them up while you are still a member
(I think).

And if you don't sign up again for a while, they will probably send you an
8 for 1/2 deal (they sent it to me and I snapped it up <g>).

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From: lyson@mpr.ca (Angela Lyson)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 03:11:28 GMT

aem@symbiosis.ahp.com writes:
>lyson@mpr.ca (Angela Lyson) writes:
>>	I also like knowing exactly what goes into my bread, and
>>	being able to have unusual bread, with very little effort by me.  
>>	For instance, I had zucchini almond bread in my sandwich today.  
>
>But if you make your bread by hand, you know what's in it as well.

	Yes, but I said, "with very little effort by me" in the
	same sentence as "knowing exactly what goes into my bread".

>You didn't say how long you've had your bread machine, did you?

	Yes, I did.  The paragraph after the one you quoted starts with:
	"After we got our bread machine about a year ago, ... "

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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: Discmans for walking? (was: Re: Sony Car Discmans?)
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:17:18 GMT

savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes:
:I'll wait until the MD comes down to the price of the CD

Does anyone know what the sampling rate for the MDs are?  If it's
significantly higher than CD's sampling rate, and high enough that it's
beyond human ability to distinguish, then MDs might be worthwhile.

--
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From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Subject: Re: Dances With Wolves Promotion
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:07:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.225301.14577@pony.Ingres.COM> daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
>You paid a whopping 8 bucks and are complaining about the quality?

So if you spend eight dollars on something you have no right to expect
it to be any good?  Why not just set fire to a five and three ones?

McDonalds didn't advertise these tapes as being sub-standard knock-offs.
There was no reason for any consumer to believe that they were anything
but first quality pre-recorded tapes that were a bargain because of a
promotional deal between McDonalds and the studio.

>It's a miracle it plays at all with the
>quantities that had to have been made!

What in the world does this mean?  The mass quantities are what should
allow a quality product to be made at a low price.

>Your expectations should have been pretty low -- about like those you
>brought for the Quarter Pounder you got with it.

One's expectations for a Quarter Pounder are that it be like every other
Quarter Pounder.  No, it's not a great sandwhich, but you know what
you're getting.  One's expectations for a tape of a movie are that it
play at least as well as the typical video tapes one buys or rents.

Man, you sure packed a lot of nonsense into three sentences.
-- 
Len Reed
Holos Software, Inc.
Voice: (404) 496-1358
UUCP: ...!gatech!holos0!lbr
From: kevin@msa3b.UUCP (Kevin P. Kleinfelter)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Who prints personalized bank checks?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:39:10 GMT
Organization: Dun and Bradstreet Software, Inc., Atlanta, GA

Office Depot also does check printing.  They're pretty cheap for other
printing.  Don't know how far their stores are spread.
-- 
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Dun&Bradstreet Software, 3445 Peachtree Rd, NE, Atlanta GA 30326-1276
WARNING: I have been advised that email to kevin@msa3b.UUCP may bounce.
It looks like email will have to go via 'gatech' because that is well-known.
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From: bsplaine@sr.hp.com (Bill Splaine)
Subject: COD Orders
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:43:23 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Here is another question.... I've heard that buying something from someone
via COD/UPS would allow me to open the box and at least verify that what
I am paying for is in fact what is in the box.

My last experience turned out as expected, what I paid for is what I got..
But I was not allowed to open the box.

How do I protect my interests short of a cancelled check?  What's to say I
am not paying for a bag of sand in a box?

I realize 99% of those on this server are honest.  That's not the question.
Was the UPS driver mistaken about letting me open the box OR was I mistaken
in my reading of the thread that I saw a few months ago re purchases over
the net?

Any help/ understanding will be appreciated.


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From: fred@cc.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom)
Subject: Mail Order Gift boxes, containers??
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:44:33 GMT


Does anybody know of a Mail Order company that sells various sizes of gift
boxes and mailing containers?

I'm looking for somebody that might supply small businesses with such items.
Specifically, I would like to obtain a supply of small gift boxes/mailers	that I could get pre-printed with a company logo. Something about 8x10x0.5	inches. 

Thanks,
-Fred
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From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash? 
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:11:47 GMT

In article <1iepa2INNnav@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:

>Simple.  Every rental agreement I've ever seen has the simple clause,
>"tenant agrees to all terms of this agreement, as may be from time to
>time reasonably amended by the management, with 30 days written
>notice," or something to that effect.

Perhaps with a month-to-month tenancy, but with a lease, how could this
stand up in court?  A contract must specify the obligations of both
parties.  By making the obligations vague in this manner, it seems to
me (no legal expert) that this is no legal contract.

>Theft attractiveness via holding large amounts of cash on a regular
>schedule is a legitimate concern.  If the 7-11 doesn't have to accept
>your $100 bill after dark, your landlord is certainly not going to be
>forced to accept six of them, from multiple parties, on the same day.

The difference is that the 7-11 is not obligated to do business with
you.  The landlord, once he/she has signed the lease, is obligated to
do business for the duration of the lease.  If the lease specifies
payment to be made by check or money order then fine, but otherwise it
seems like cash should be acceptable.
-- 
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HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:25:38 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:

>carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:

>>A political rather than scientific decision, as with ALL other effects
>>of the War on (Some) Drugs.  Remember the test strategy for Saccharin?
>>Feed rats the equuivalent of a human drinking mumble-hundred diet
>>colas a day for 30 years, and 10% of them get cancer.  Similar with
>>secondhand smoke.  While it certainly is annoying, even to me (a
>>smoker), the only likely sufferers of health effects are children of
>>smoking parents or other folks with similar intense, prolonged (years)
>>exposure.

>>Go ahead, flame away - health Nazis give me the retching vomits.

>You know, I really don't mind people smoke as long as they don't
>exhale it back to the air I need to breath.  Would you like me
>eat beans and release gas at your face?

Weak flame; now refute my comments :-) I'd find it an annoying personal
habit and persuade you to stop, in my presence at least.  I wouldn't
ask the Federal Bureau of Wasting Money to "protect" me from you.
Though I suspect the health effects of prolonged inhalation of mammal
methane are more profound than for second-hand cigarette smoke.

I'm _extremely_ unlikely to blow smoke in anyone's face, provided they
refrain from making trite, senseless comments like yours above.  Ask
me to stop and I will.  I won't ask to smoke in your car or your home
(nor will I do it without asking).  I'll abide by sensible rules
regulating where and when I may smoke in public places.  I'll go quite
far out of my way to accomodate people who have a problem with my
smoking and are reasonably polite about it.  But this seeming drive to 
demonize tobacco smoke, like other recreational drugs have been demonized,
for purely political purposes, makes me absolutely crazy.

Folks just can't see it in the same light as excess perfume, playing
loud music, failure to bathe, farting, or other annoying personal habits 
you don't want people to practice around you.  Cigarette smoking is much
more pervasive, of course, so Something Must Be Done!  Whatever bogus
research is required will be produced to support Something Being Done.

Government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to
take it all away.  I hope you like what you're allowed.

--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tomj@monster.apd.saic.com (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Organization: SAIC, Reston, VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:56:25 GMT


In article <2424@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>Steven_Cohn summarizes a discussion which pins the difference on
>processing.
>
>I still want to know what the small yellow spheroids are.  They appear
>in the jar of kosher dills but not in the jar of non-kosher dills,
>despite identical ingredient lists.

I'd be willing to bet they're mustard seeds.


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve)
Subject: WARNING: CHAPEL SALES, Inc (magazines)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:52:00 GMT

Spread the word about another band of criminals running
door to door.  This one is called Chapel Sales, Inc.
(nice name, eh?  inspires trust) and is out of New Jersey.

They come door to door across the country and sell you
magazine subscriptions.  How could you lose, right?
I mean, you know what a magazine is...

The problem is, they take your deposit (50%), and in
2-3 weeks, you send the rest of the payment (50%).

Then, you never see your magazines.  Try calling their
customer assistance number?  It's busy?  Try using a
demon dialer, dialing the line every 15 seconds.  Hmmm...
it almost seems like the phone is off the hook (except
for outside business hours, where it is attached to
an outgoing message answering machine).

I have already written the BBB of New Jersey, but they don't
seem particularly interested in doing much other than filing
my letter.  I may just sue out of principle (anybody know
a principled lawyer?)

Oh, I should mention that I wrote the company to try to
cancel the order, but the purchase agreement said you
could only cancel the order within 72 hours of signing
it (and I don't see how you could when the phone is busy)

If anyone catches these people outside your front door,
reach immediately for your baseball bat.


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Organization: Netcom
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:41:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.212328.21076@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.212124.21005@erenj.com>, srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
>
>|> I suggest we go to all consumption tax, and no income tax.
>
>Of course, in self-rebuttal, consumption tax implies a flat rate, so the
>poor pay the same as the rich. Comments, anyone?

Easy:  "Necessity" items will have low or no tax.  (This idea is already
in practice.  Groceries, for example, are typically exempt from sales
taxes.)

Hans Lachman
lachman@netcom.com
From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Changing belts on a VCR
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:53:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

ALl this talk about VCRs bring up another question I have.  I have an old
Hitachi VCR that has a belt that keeps slipping.  Every time it slips it
eats a tape.  I can get at it to slip it back on, to to remove and replace
it I would need to dismantle the ting to a point were I'm not sure
I could put it back together.   I seem to remember a spray that would keep
the belt on the wheel.  Does anyone have any experience with it or any
other suggestions?

Thanks

David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
Ok.... So I didn't major 
in English.
From: ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org (Chaz Larson)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Who prints personalized bank checks?
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:33:16 GMT
Reply-To: ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org (Chaz Larson)
Organization: LaserMaster Corporation

In article <1993Jan3.044711.6509@brtph560.bnr.ca>, bhaskar@brtph181.bnr.ca 
(Shaji Bhaskar) writes:
> By coincidence, I just sent off to one such company after I saw an ad
> in my local newspaper. It says on the ad that they have been in
> business for over 60 years.  My wife has heard their name mentioned on
> TV (CNBC, she thinks) as a bonafide company (i.e., one unlikely to
> misuse the information you send them).
> 
> Their address is: Checks in the Mail, P.O. Box 7802, Irvine, CA 91706.
> They also promise a free brochure if you call 1-800-733-4443.

I have purchased my checks from Checks in the Mail for the past three years.  
Their product is swell and their service is swell, also.

Pricing is very attractive, too.

chaz


..must think...bubble pipe will relax me and I think...
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: Security (was Re: Cordless phone recommendations)
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:20:50 GMT

: Once my wife turned it on and heard someone else talking....
: Hasn't reoccurred yet, though, but now I keep it on the
: base more than I would otherwise, for security.

I've heard this happen with ordinary phones, so this might be caused by a
bad local phone switch instead of your cordless phone.

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Information Services, Swarthmore, PA, US.       Copyright 1993 by Eiji Hirai.
I don't speak for Swarthmore College.                    All Rights Reserved.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: sorbrrse@rtsg.mot.com (Russell E. Sorber)
Subject: Re: 2H Smoke and Gov't Rules
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:29:54 GMT

In article <carlp.726694206@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>
>>carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>>schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz) writes:
>>>
>>>>On the news this morning:  Second-hand cigarette smoke has been
>>>>"officially" classified as hazardous, in the same category as
>>>>asbestos.
>>>
>(Russ Writes)
>>carcinogen.  There are little if any use for second hand smoke
>
(Carl Writes)
>Indeed.  "Everything not required is forbidden".
>

No, a health hazard that is shown to be responsible for thousands of
deaths is restricted, improving the health of many and
the insurance costs of everyone. 2H smoke is at least as dangerous
as asbestos and well deserves it's new classification. 
From firsthand experience I know that  even  small amounts of  2H
smoke can cause health problems and the studies in JAMA and
public health journals agree with my experience.  

At highest risk are said to be children (not "children of smokers")
elderly, and those with respiratory disorders.
Perhaps the reason some don't see a problem is that
they are not in one of these categories. I'm in the respiratory disorder
category(as is 5-10% of the population) and can say that long term exposure 
to 2H smoke is not always necessary for a problem to develop.  
Only a few minutes of smoke could send an asthmatic to the hospital gasping 
for breath after bronchospasms have been started by the smoke. 

(Carl Writes, arguing against dedicated taxes for health  purposes )
>"A few dollars" (hundreds of thousands) came out of a fund
>collected exclusively FROM motorcyclists, supposed to be
>exclusively FOR motorcyclist education.  The concept of having
>those who need services pay for those services.  Gov. Edgar and
>the legislature forgot that those dollars WEREN'T THEIRS TO
>SPEND!  They were (should have been) property of people who have
>IL motorcycle licenses; those people wanted them spent on rider
>education and accident prevention.
>
>The _point_ was that once you give money to the government, you
>have absolutely no control over how it's spent, despite any
>advance promises about the target of your money.

Political  promises are often  broken.
The only control is to vote them out of office. 
I suspect Carls dedication to motorcycling would be in the minority
at the polling place, though.  Most voters  would want the 
government to break its promise to motorcyclists before it left 
bills from hospitals, schools or pharmacies unpaid.  
Perhaps a private group should  do the collection of money 
and the education of cyclists?



-- 
Russ Sorber, CDP
Software Contractor  -    Opinions are mine, Not Motorolas!
Motorola, Cellular Division
Arlington Hts., IL	(708) 632-4047
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: WHAT'S A DEFUND? (WAS:Re: Levi Strauss DEFUNDS Boy Scouts)
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:12:27 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <AJG.93Jan6142547@sp1.ccd.harris.com> ajg@controls.ccd.harris.com (Arnold Goldberg) writes:
>
>subject says all
>
   It's just more new-speak...such as:

   de-elect George Bush

   de-employ 25,000 IBM workers.


Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.audio
From: qchorn@mtu.edu (Horn)
Subject: Re: Info on Powermid Remote Control Extender?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:29:42 GMT


We purchased a set of Powermids about a year ago and they work great.
We put the receiver in our basement rec room and the transmitter upstairs
by our stereo system.  We have never had any problems with them adding static
or any type of sound to our stereo system.

Quinn C. Horn
Michigan Technological University
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:47:44 GMT

Being in the market for a bread maker myself I'm following the discussions with
interest. Two points have not been addressed yet, and therefore I'd like to ask
for opinions:

1) We've been baking our own bread occasionally. How does the quality of bread from
bread machines compare to 'hand made' bread.

2) Once one has decided for a certain brand, how does one choose between the various
models. For instance, is a separate 'yeast dispenser' better? Are some better suited
for whole wheat bread than others, and what makes them so?

It is about time that CR does some work on this ...

Gustaaf van Moorsel
From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan,sci.electronics,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>In article <thomasd.59.726252693@tps.COM> thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day) writes:
>>I really don't think using Harley as evidence that U.S. companies are 
>>capable of competing is valid.  

>Well, then you could have responded to the earlier Pampers, MacDonalds, Toys-
>R-Us, Coca-Cola, Dow-Corning, etc, examples. Then there's Sun, Microsoft,
>Apple-MacIntosh, Boeing, Hughes (they make satellites, Mr Day), and all those
>other "low tech" things that the Japanese buy just because they pity us.

ha! Sony now makes Sun clones that are 100% Sun compatible, possibly
faster, and cheaper, than the original. Microsoft sucks, and Apple's
stuff is mostly made in japan anyways.

Coke. yay. Ditto for the other examples.


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