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From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Subject: Like cholesterol ? Saturated fats ? Salmonella ? Eggs ?
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:25:23 GMT


I stole this from Ted Altar, for a change.


COOKING WITHOUT EGGS (LOW-FAT SOLUTIONS)

There is  good reason to  eliminate  eggs  from your  diet.  An egg is
about 70%  fat, and a big portion of that fat is  saturated.  They are
also loaded with  cholesterol -- about  215  milligrams for an average
sized egg.   And  the dirty,  crowded conditions of egg farms, coupled
with the fact that egg shells  are porous and  fragile, makes eggs the
perfect host  to salmonella -- the bacteria that is the leading  cause
of  food  poisoning  in  this country.  An increase in  the  number of
outbreaks of salmonellosis have been traced to contaminated eggs.

Eggs are frequently used in baked  products  because of  their binding
and leavening properties.  But smart cooks have found good substitutes
for  eggs.  If a recipe calls for  only 1 or  2 eggs, you  can usually
skip them.   Add a couple of extra tablespoons of water for  each  egg
eliminated to  balance out the moisture content  of the product.  If a
recipe calls  for more than 2  eggs, there are several substitutes you
can use.

Eggless egg  replacers are available  in  many natural food groceries.
These  are different from reduced-cholesterol  egg  products, which do
contain  eggs.  Egg  replacers are  egg-free  and  are  usually  in  a
powdered form.   Replace eggs in baking with a mixture of the powdered
egg replacer and water according to package directions.

Other good egg substitutes are sitting right in your kitchen cabinets.
Try one of the following  the next time you bake a cake or  a batch of
muffins:

     1 heaping Tbs of soy flour and 2 Tbs of water
     1 oz of blended soft tofu
     2 Tbs of cornstarch
     1/2 of a ripe banana, mashed

For vegetarian burgers or loaves, try the following egg substitutes to
bind ingredients together:

     Tomato paste
     mashed potato
     moistened bread crumbs or oats
     peanut butter


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From: andrew@louise.stat.washington.edu (Andrew Schaffner)
Subject: WANTED thanksgiving ideas
Keywords: thanksgiving, vegetarian
Organization: Univ of Wash , Stat Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:36:32 GMT

Does anybody have any good ideas for a vegetarian menu in the spirit of 
thanksgiving?  And please, some ideas other than squash would be great!
 
How about any special yam recipes?

Any recipes for a brown rice "stuffing" (of course, it won't be stuffed 
into anything, except for our faces!)

Thanks!


-- 
Andrew Schaffner <andrew@stat.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Subject: Why ?
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:55:01 GMT

From the "Observer" Sunday, 5th October 1990

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Every  year  in  Britain  more  than  35  million  day-old  male chicks are
killed. They are mainly used for fertiliser or dumped in landfill sites.

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From: 11jsutton@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Nope, I don't think better laws would help much
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallua.1992Nov16.134832.1
Organization: Gallaudet University

Ted says:

>Do you think
>there is no possibility of a regulated production of
>say, eggs or wool, via strong laws protecting the
>animals from human cruelty and suffering?  Hmm, maybe
>not.  Now, you've got me thinking about this question.  ;-)

Strong laws *might* help to *some* extent, but I doubt they'd ever
do much.  The average consumer isn't willing to pay any more for
animal products than they are already, so such laws would have
difficulty getting passed, and even once they *were* passed,
enforcing them would be a nightmare.  They'd probably be enforced
just as little as the USA's sodomy laws, which in a few cases
actually prohibit sexual intercourse in any but the missionary
position.  (Raise your hand if you've broken a sodomy law and not
gone to prison for it. ;-) )

Suppose, for example, we pass a law saying that egg-layers must
*not* be debeaked, and must have at least ten square feet of living
space.  This still doesn't ensure that nesting materials (hay and
so forth) will be available, and without them a chicken will never
be very comfortable.  Suppose, then, we pass a law requiring each
chicken to be given X amount of hay.  Federal inspectors might
discover a barnful of chickens standing on a concrete floor, and
the farmer could simply claim that it was clean-up day, and that he
was replacing the old, dirty hay with a fresh batch.  Sure, the
inspectors could keep returning day after day, but think about how
many farms there are out there, and how difficult it'd be to visit
them all more than once a year.

The same general laws-won't-help-here principle applies to wool
production.  Suppose we pass a law prohibiting farmers from shearing
their sheep in winter, what will happen is that either the existing
shearers will have to work much faster during the summer (resulting
in more wounded sheep), or inexperienced, untrained shearers will
be brought in (with the same result).

I'm all for laws promoting humane treatment of animals, but can't see
them making more than a tiny dent in the problem of today's cruelty.
The forces of economics are just too powerful.

--Jennifer
  11jsutton@gallua.bitnet
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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: *Hot* Sauce----- The hottest!
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:58:18 GMT

Okay- here's a recipie for the hottest sauce you will ever
eat.  It come from a Maya recipie. They feed it to their 
kids starting at age 3!!!  This stuff'll remove paint, but
it's very tasty.  Simple, too.

Take 4 or 5 habanero peppers and chop them finely.  Wear rubber
	gloves or wash your hands thoroughly afterwards.  I have
	rubbed my eye a half hour later after washing my hands
	and still felt like had been maced.

After chopping them, put them in a jar and put in enough lime juice
	to cover the chopped peppers by about 1/2 cm.  Let
	soak for 1 week.  Eat on crackers, biscuits, or chips.

Careful! Even those who consider themselves to be eaters of hot food
consider this to be extremely hot.  But, again, the pepper is quite
sweet and the juice gives it a great flavor.




-- 
Andrew McMichael
George Mason University
Fairfax, Va
amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Bye
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:54 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

I'm leaving.  I've left before, and I probably will be back.  I'm 
leaving for the same reason, that the flame wars have abandoned the 
facts and are now turning to personal attacks (changing your name so 
that someone *has* to read your meaningless attack even though you've 
been put in a kill file?  come on!).  I am seeking to become more of 
a vegetarian, but I don't find this group helpful right now.  Thanks 
to the majority of you who have been helpful and reasonable.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: why vegetarianism?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:43:45 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

tinamou@ferris.cray.com (Doug Nicholson) writes:
>In article <62034@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>
>>     Death may be an integral part of the life cycle, but that doesn't,
>>for example, justify murder. The "naturalness" of death doesn't give us
>>the right to speed up the process.
>
>I have difficulty with the application of such pejorative terms as
>"murder" to the killing of other animals for food.

     In my above paragraph, "murder" refers to homicide. I.e., the
fact that death is a natural part of human existence does not give us
the right to speed a human life to its end. Therefore the fact that
death is natural part of animal's lives is not sufficient justification
for humans to kill animals.

>Certainly we are
>not the only species to engage in such a practice.

     Nor are we the only species to engage in war, in killing members
of our own species, in rape, in robbery, in totalitarian forms of
leadership, etcetera, etcetera. Does this justify any of these
activities?

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
Admiration, n.:
      Our polite recognition of another's resemblance to
      ourselves.
      -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Was Christ a vegetarian? (was: Re: Trivia : What is the Christian argument..)
Keywords: bible, jesus, fish
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:48:16 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

It clearly says in Luke, 11.13, (King James Version):

And Jesus went unto the chippie,
And he partook of some cod in batter.
And he said "Don't tell anyone, cos everyone
thinks I'm a veggie. But I do like a nice
bit of cod now and again"

That should put pay to this argument, proving that you can make the bible 
support whatever argument you bloody well want,

Neil Cook.

P.S. Anyone interested in posting some recipies, god forbid?
	Especially authentic indian recipies.
From: psybc806@emory.edu (Elise G. Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: chewing gum
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:51:17 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Just out of curiousity, how many of the vegetarians on this board chew
regular chewing gum, such as trident or wrigleys or the normal brands
you find in almost every store or vending machine?  

Elise
  
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From: gerald@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com (Gerald Oskoboiny)
Subject: Re: How to Use the "Kill" File
Originator: gerald@gerald
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: gerald@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Canada Ltd.
Followup-To: news.software.nn

altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:

>If your system is using the unix news reader, net news
>(pressing "nn" starts up the net news reader), the procedure
>is quite easy.

"nn" stands for "no news", not "net news".

Gerald
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From: omitchel@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ocie Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Health and meatless diet
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:41:21 GMT

Well, If the FDA were to outlaw the harmfull meat additives and
If the FDA were to set reasonable limits on diseased meat etc. and
If the FDA (or someone) were to at least give the animals a humane death and
If the FDA could actually enforce any of these then maybe meat would be 
healthier.  It seems like a lot of work.  However, if each person were
responsible for obtaining their own food (not saying that this is in anyway
ideal) how many would be vegetarians and how many meat eaters would have the
stomach to see the death of their food first hand.  I think that comparing
humans to the rest of the animal kingdom can be usefull in certain
situations, but when it comes to food (as far as I know) we are the only
animals that attempt to harvest and then process and then transport to other
humans.  Most animals simply find potential food, kill or harvest it and
then eat it.  Folowing the rule that humans are omnivores should we not just
walk into muckdonalds, find a cow, kill it, and eat its raw flesh before it
spoils?  No, we put our energy (along with other things not sutible for
discussion over dinner) into the cow and when it comes time to kill it, the
meat is aged/frozen/??? and finally ground up to make sure that you can't
tell the difference between the cow and the roacher/rats/??? that fell in
the grinder with it.  Remember, government can only regulate so much,
ultimately it is up to the people to decide.

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From: sannuti@math.washington.edu (Arun Meda Sannuti)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Restaurants in Seattle, WA.
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:17:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Originator: sannuti@frobenius.math.washington.edu


	Recently, someone posted a list of vegetarian restaurants
around the world.  Thanks a lot.  It must of taken a lot of work.
Anyway, I lost the address of the original poster, and I thought some
corrections/additional information would be useful.  I can only
comment on Seattle Washington, since that's where I am right now.  I
hope the person who originally posted the information will see this. 


Washington
Seattle
-------
	The buses are now $.75 off peak, and $1.00 during peak hours.

Restaurants:
	The Healing Earth has closed.

	There is only one Morningtown Cafe, which is on 41st and
Roosevelt, near the U of Washington.  Phone: 632-7979

	Bamboo Gardens is a fake meat Chinese place.  Everything is
vegan exept for the fortune cookies.  Phone: 282-6616

	The Gravity Bar is a bit expensive.  Phone: 325-7186 or 448-8826

Additions:
Blue Planet.  2208 North 45th.  Phone: 632-0750
Organic multicultural cuisine and a juice bar.

Five Loaves Deli  2719 East Madison  Phone: 726-7989
Run by 7th Day adventists.

Globe Cafe  1531 14th Ave.  Phone: 324-8815
Simple vegan food, really good baked items, latte with soy milk.

Mid City Cafe 401 Yale Ave North  Phone: 623-7979
Lacto-vegetarian

The Original King 6510 Roosevelt Way NE  phone: 522-1628
Huge portions, cheap prices.

Thanks again for all the work that went into this list.

Arun
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: acc4636@tamsun.tamu.edu (Anthony C.)
Subject: Re: Hiking boots.....
Keywords: non-leather hiking boots
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:33:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.072829.25043@sfu.ca> mcoyle@fraser.sfu.ca (Strider Coyle) writes:
>	I have been told that Merrel boots makes a non-leather trail
>boot. I am in the process of tracking this info down: more when it
>happens.
>
>         />	Michael (Strider) Coyle
>        /< 	mcoyle@sfu.ca     michaec@sfu.ca     coyle@mcf.ucs.sfu.ca
>[\\\\\\(O):::<=================================- 
>        \<      Distributed Computing Support Group,                     
>         \>     Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
>
>
>

I am new to this thread so pardon if this has been posted before.
In the latest issue of vegetarian gourmet there is an ad for
Aesop.  I dont know anything about this company but they have
an ad for women's canvas hikers.  I assume they also would have 
mens shoes and maybe other non leather products (but I dont know)
They can be reached at
	Aesop Inc.
	Dept 306
	P.O. Box 315
	N. Cambridge, MA 02140
	617-923-1704

If someone calls to see what they have please post.
By the way I am an omnivore who eats meat 2 or 3 times a month and
reads this group to get recipes.  Although I got more than Ill
ever need from the recipe server (I forgot the address if someone
wants to mail it to me)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Subject: EarthSave and environmental reasons for being vegetarian
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:23:35 GMT

I don't know where Michael Traub got this from, but I got it from him.

EarthSave: Statement of Principles

   We support a  positive, peaceful movement  toward healthful living,
sustainable agriculture, a safe environment, and respect for all life.
We  cooperate  with other environmental,  animal-concern,  and  social
groups working  for a compassionate, just, safe and sustainable world.
We emphasize caring and cooperative resolution of conflict and work to
counter polarization and conflict within  our groups and in society at
large.  We share this Earth together and together we have  the ability
to  resolve our environmental problems while respecting the  intrinsic
worth  and  differences of  each  individual.  EarthSave's  underlying
philosophy is "Reverence for All Life."

   EarthSave teaches  that our current meat  and  dairy-based diet and
large-scale agriculture methods have a major detrimental impact on our
environment, our  health, animals and all other life.  Until recently,
most  people  have  not  been exposed  to this  vital information.  We
encourage  people to learn  the facts about  an  animal-based diet and
make wise choices for themselves.  Once informed, many will  choose to
significantly   reduce  or  eliminate   their  consumption  of  animal
products.   We also  respect  the  inherent  dignity  of  all  people,
regardless of their choice.

   Our  goal  is  to awaken  the public  through education,  about the
enormous impact large scale animal agriculture  (driven by our dietary
choices), has on environmental problems, human health concerns and the
quality of all  life.   Our goal is to  achieve a paradigm  shift,  in
people's   behavior,  from  Earth   exploitation  to  a  compassionate
stewardship   of  our  Earth   which  can   sustain   all  life.   The
environmental and health problems we are facing today  can be improved
or corrected  by  individuals willing to make changes in  their  daily
lives which in turn impact the world around them.

   Healthy change in our society will come about as the  result of one
individual at a time  making a decision to live and act in a way which
respects, uplifts and enhances all life on Earth.  Enough individuals,
making these positive changes, will create the critical mass necessary
to  beneficially  affect   our  world's  problems.   Major  change  in
society's behavior often begins with the individual and radiates  out,
rather  than  starting  with  governmental,  corporate  or  scientific
leaders.  As this principle is understood, people are empowered by the
knowledge  that  our  personal actions make a vital  difference in the
future of our world.

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Santa Cruz, CA  95062-2205
(408) 423-4069
From: drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: So-Called Vitamin D (update)
Date: 24 Nov 1992 11:48:06 +1100
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.anu.edu.au


dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
  The disingenuousness and hypocrisy of this guy is simply amazing.
  Ted Altar is all too ready to sling mud, but he pretends that
  his hands are clean.  It's really nauseating.  It is, however,
  characteristic of much of what Altar, Traub, and Abhay whathisname
  write.  They are cut from the same cloth; zealotry has a rhetoric
  all its own.
[...]
  I already shot holes through this Moon-guy's assertions once
  before.  It's a hodge-podge of half-truths and half-baked leaps
  of logic.  This paper is unworthy of publication in a peer-reviewed
  scientific journal.  Connoisseurs of flat-earth/flying saucer
  propaganda will undoubtedly recognize the rhetorical style.
[...]
  Right.  Even if the information Ted provides is incorrect and misleading!
  His heart is in the right place, however, so it would be wrong for us to
  let others know that.  Why, his feelings might even get hurt.  And we
  know how nurturing an environment Ted, Michael and Abhay provide for us
  all here in rec.food.veg.  Let's not do anything to disturb that.

Then says:
  It's not rude to speak out strongly against misinformation and the
  willful or ignorant dissemination of misinformation.  It would be rude
  not to do so.


You and I have a different definition of rudeness. Webster's defines it at
"uncivil" and "primitive". Roget's gives the following synonyms: "insult,
treat with discourtsey, take a name in vain, ungracious, sharp, short,
harsh, brusguq, biting, caustic, sarcastic" etc.

If you disagree, why can't you do it politely?

Drew.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary A. Warren -- Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
Subject: the wedding cake
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: wedding,cake,eggless
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:16:00 GMT

for the couple who were asking about wedding menus:

cake decorating is a fun hobby at our house.  when you approach the person
who will be responsible for your cake (professional or hobbyist) make this
request:  NO ROYAL ICING.  It's made with eggs.

my mother uses a nice icing that is snowy white, does not go rock-solid but 
holds its shape for roses and the like, and does not contain eggs or milk.

traditional wedding cakes here are fruitcake, but you can have whatever you 
like -- it's your wedding.  enjoy ....

"All the colors of the world should be
 Lovin' each other whole-heartedly ..."
	The Jacksons, "Can You Feel It?"

Rosemary Warren		rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Environmental reasons, Part 3
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:47:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.145224.4706@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl> desmedt@ruls40.LeidenUniv.nl (Koenraad de Smedt) writes:

>According to Abhay Bulsari, agriculture is much cheaper than meat and dairy
>production.  Then how come soybean-based substitutes such as soybean milk,
>soybean pudding, etc. etc. are outrageously priced??  Anyone has an
>explanation?

	These are personal opinions, not documented facts, but it probably
	is a result of several things:

	   1. The demand for such products, at least here in the Western
		world, is relatively low, so economies of scale in production
		are less applicable.

	   2. Those who buy soy products in Western societies tend to be
		those who are committed to a "cause" and are willing to pay
		more for such products...a fact the marketplace won't ignore.
		If one wants something the marketplace considers a "specialty"
		item, one must be prepared to pay for the privilege.

		It's worth noting that soy-based baby formula is much more
		reasonably priced than those products intended for adults,
		and especially those products intended for vegans, although
		some of this may be due to relative production volume as well.

	   3. The meat and dairy industries in the Western world are often,
		if not universally, subsidized, which spreads the costs of
		production over everyone, not just those who use the products.
		Soy-based products are usually NOT subsidized and may,
		therefore, suffer some price disadvantage beyond those
		mentioned above.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Canola oil?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:57:34 GMT

sbhattac@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya) writes:

>Canola is rapeseed oil from selected beans, which meets a bureaucratic
>specification. I presume the Canadians are responsible for the
>specification. They grow a lot of rapeseed I hear. 


Right!  And a lot of us here in Alberta buy it to support the local
farmers -- as well as for its other favorable qualities.

Anne

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