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From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: You haf paperz, pleaze?
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:58:23 GMT
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <695@zx11.UUCP>, by joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner):
> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
> ]crumpled-up rusted-out 1981 Chevy Chevette belching blue clouds of smoke
>
> anyone remember that number to call when you see one of these things?
>
> I wrote it down but I lost it... :-)

Doesn't matter anyhow. I got the choke control thermostat fixed. No more
smoke!

She's a bit rusty and crumpled up, but hey, old heap still gets 25mpg.
Pretty good for a 2500 pound piece of Detroit pig-iron with a 2-barrel carb
and 120,000 miles.... and I just love seeing the folks in Volvos getting
out of my way when they see me coming :-).

I think I'd prefer to buy a motorcycle instead of a new(er) car, anyhow.
I'm just going to drive this one till it drops. On a teacher's salary, you
can't afford all the new toys on the market... or even old ones (I had to
sell my old FT500 thumper for cash to get to Houston).

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Shadowbriar School
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmutt needed
Date: 26 Jul 1992 12:41:43 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <76597@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>Thanks for the helmet info.  Do you know in which issue of Motorcyclist
>the helmet comparison is?  Also, will a pressure spot in a helmet go
>away after wearing it for a while?  The RF-200 presses hard against my
>forhead, and some people claim the pressure will go away after a break
>in period (Mr. Wind Bag), others say the helmet should be tight but 
>comfortable to start with.


The helmet is Motorcyclist, Nov. 91.

When I bought my RF200, I wanted it snug because my old helmet was too
loose.  I thought that the forehead pressure would go away after a
few hours, it didn't.  Ultimately, I had to take a knife to the foam
padding to prevent headaches.  (This is probably a really bad idea,
but I'm too poor to buy a replacement helmet at the moment.)
Snug does NOT mean tight.  If hit presses your forehead enough to give
you a redspot or headache, don't buy it.

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: super deal on Shoei X8's
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:42:08 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <714@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
>if I remember what jerry dunham told me correctly, you can get a new
>Shoei X8 at the Suzuki shop in Austin for $190! and no that's not a typo...

Hey, whaddya mean giving away my secret before I have the cash to get one
myself?!

Now that it's out of the bag, the details as I recall them from my last trip
to D&L are: $190 for black or white, $200 for colors.  I hope I'm not confus-
the X8 prices with RF200 prices.  Don said something about getting a batch on
some kind of one-time special deal, related I think to the time the store was
broken into and all the Shoeis stolen.

And if there are none left when I get over there, I'll know who to blame!



-- 
Jerry Dunham                                        dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
                 This opinion intentionally left blank.
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Katan 750 for sale
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:15:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: gazette.13427
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Distribution: usa
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <l6ml6tINN631@thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu>, brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal) writes:
|> 
|> For sale: 1991 Katana 750
|> 
|>   * Bought new in May, < 1600 miles
|> 
|>   * Carefully broken in, 600 mile service done
|> 
|>   * Excellent condition
|> 
|>   * Red/Silver
|> 
|>   * $4242 obo (DoD member discounts negotiable)
|> 

*AND* this Katana won a Splatterfest award, too!!!  These Splatterfest
limited edition bikes are hard to come by!   Ask Rodney or myself,
you just gotta have one!! ;-)

Mark
-- 
Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lime Creek Road
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:23:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <2104@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>
>I made it clear up front to my wife that no matter what happened, I would
>not sell my bike. I would sell the house and all other belongings first.
>I fully intend to die of whatever cause (old age, cage, etc) whilst in
>the saddle. a man's motorcycle is his castle...

Agreed. My wife came to the conclusion that there was no use in attempting to
change my mind, so decided to join in and loves to ride. Says that she
believes I'm competent enough to not have to worry about me. There were two
pretty bad crashes in the 18 years we've been married which cast a bit of a
shadow in that certainty though... :^)

>on another note, I'm pretty dissapointed by the weak showing at Tandem
>for Ride to Work day. a little overcast and a light shower and everyone
>wimped out. there are three times as many bikes out there today than
>there were for RTW day. haven't you guys ever heard of rain suits?

Or a *real* motorcycle built for all weather riding so's you don't even need
a rain suit? :^) :^) (as long as you keep moving, or the option of hiding in
the trunk)

Heck, the only time I don't ride my motorcycle to work is when I need to take
my bicycle home for weekend maintenance. Unfortunately, the Potranco Road (2
lane highway) that I travel to work on is being widened. This may mean that I
start bicycling to and from work. Talk about life's hard decisions...

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
UUCP     : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmutt needed
Date: 28 Jul 1992 08:01:14 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

In article <711@zx11.UUCP> steve@zx11.cactus.org writes:

>The pressure spot will torture you to death.  Don't buy it if you

Yup.  As someone said, "The best helmet is one that fits."

>The X8 probably has the same basic fit as the RF200 so you probably

Nope.  I tried Joe's X8 and it had that pressure point.  My RF200, on
the other hand, is very comfortable (btw, it also has the defogging
latch that Joe mentioned is on his X8).  

You might try out Bell, if you can find them in the shops (I know there
were a few over at Lone Star BMW).  They seem to be more suited to those
of us with protruding super-orbital bulges.  Vetter is just Bell under
another name -- they're generally not Snell, but they are DOT.

Take care,
brad

Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: shea@ntmtv.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Helmutt needed
Organization: Northern Telecom, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:15:14 GMT

In article <76512@ut-emx.uucp>, captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>BTW, is the Shoei X8 really the helmet of choice, or is Bubba just 
>trying to pay his ZX-11 payment?


I tried on the X-8 and didn't like it; it just felt funny.  I opted
for the RF-200, which has vents, the face shield closes tight, &
it's comfy...& it's a good bit cheaper than the X-8.  The X8 does
have the neck lining thingie which would probably come in handy in
cold weather.


-- 
Ray Shea			
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650, 	...and a card carrying member of the ACLU...
founder, Team Twinkie	      		you got a problem with that?
ntmtv!shea@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Slick road patch stuff...
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:43:14 GMT
Reply-To: steve@zx11.cactus.org
Organization: NOT

shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>
>The top layer, what you see and drive upon, is sorta sticky, but filled with
>sand and road dirt and other shit, so it's fairly stable and can be driven
>upon straight.  However, there is an under-layer, that is a gooey spooge. 
>The top layer seems to slide on the spooge underneath when presented with a
>force that isn't straight down; a.k.a. when one is trying to turn.  Hence the
>feeling that the bike is trying to slide out from underneath you.
>
>Comments?

Well, my theory is that it is 90% used crankcase oil with Jello
thrown in to give it a little additional body.  Baked for
about 3 days at 500 degrees to form a nice gooy mess which
has a propensity to attract water.  Hence the slippery nature.

Now I've just got to figure out a nice 178 mile ride this weekend
to finish the breakin period on the  new bike.  Keeping a K bike below
4 grand really sucks, you still have plenty of power but  you are 
stuck with a top end of 55mph.  

Maybe the run to College Station on Sunday and meet ya'll for
lunch would be cool.  Probably just go to Burnet on Sat and
check out a co-workers "resort"

STeve
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I might as well fess up...
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:09:28 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

Joe Senner writes:
>I traded in the ZX-11 on a 92 BMW K100RS yesterday.

Sure you did, Joe.  And you traded the Goof2 in on a Llama.  Go ahead;
pull the other one.

Take care,
brad

DoD #714
From: johnny@ennex2.eng.utsa.edu (Johnny Roberts)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Lokking for a REBEL!!!  :-)
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:10:09 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio


	Well, hello all!

I am looking for a Honda Rebel for someone I know. She has owned one  
before and is wanting to buy another one. If you know of one for sale, or  
a similar sized bike, please let me know at my email address

	Thankyou in advance...

John ROberts
johnny@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I might as well fess up...
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:46:04 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

In article <719@zx11.UUCP> lisa@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>had this all planned.  Joe trades in the ZX on a more conservative ride, and
>I come out looking generous....  ;-)

Gee Lisa, you already look generous enough for playing host to 18-odd
Denizens during Splatterfest III.  (Aside:  Lisa also had the best line
of Saturday.  The Senners have in their living room, among other things,
a couple of hamster/gerbil/rodent things, a lizard, a bird, a dog or two (?)
etc. and someone asked Lisa just how many animals they had in the house.
"Well, sixteen bikers, and...")

So where's *your* new bike?  I bet you could trade that GooF2 in and
get a pretty good deal on a slightly used, blue K75 over at Lone Star.

Take care,
brad
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: shea@ntmtv.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Helmutt comments
Organization: Northern Telecom, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:08:41 GMT

In article <gs50986@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>I found the RF200 made me fell like I
>had my face in a vice


My RF-200 felt that way when it was new, but it loosened up to about
a perfect fit after about a week.


-- 
Ray Shea			
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650, 	...and a card carrying member of the ACLU...
founder, Team Twinkie	      		you got a problem with that?
ntmtv!shea@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Sunday ride?
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:06:19 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu



Unless we're losing our feed here I haven't seen anyone else
(besides Don and I) who want to go riding on Sunday.

Anyone else going?

Don had mentioned stopping in College Station for lunch . . 
if this is the case . . any of you CSers up for a lunch
meeting? Blaine?  I know Evelyn won't be able to come . . 

Mark
-- 
Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmutt needed
Date: 25 Jul 1992 02:22:42 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <76512@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>BTW, is the Shoei X8 really the helmet of choice, or is Bubba just 
>trying to pay his ZX-11 payment?

The helmet of choice is whatever fits your head.  Despite owning
a Shoei helmet, it really doesn't fit my head.

Bluntly, if you have a more upright forehead, Shoeis probably arn't
for you.  I fall into this class and my helmet presses against
my forehead too hard.  I need a different helmet.

(Eric Townsend tells me that if you can't wear a Shoei, an Arai
 will probably fit you great.)

So, what are you, cone or block?

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar
From: kent@hal.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: NRTWD (Was Re: Lime Creek Road)
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:20:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <12239@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>
>Heck, the only time I don't ride my motorcycle to work is when I need to take
>my bicycle home for weekend maintenance. Unfortunately, the Potranco Road (2
>lane highway) that I travel to work on is being widened. This may mean that I
>start bicycling to and from work. Talk about life's hard decisions...

Forgot:

No Joe, I haven't been able to fit my road bike in the trunk. Haven't given
up hope of doing so though :^) (You got any ideas John? I'm a bit stumped)
Don't think mounting a front bike carrier on my helmet would be adequate...

Wish me luck in Finland. Leaving Tuesday and will be taking a week of
vacation after the job to tour Finland on my bicycle. Will try to take lots
of pictures to show at the next Splatterfest if anyone is interested.

Kent Polk
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lime Creek Road
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:06:15 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT

jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <2104@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>>                        haven't you guys ever heard of rain suits?
>Haven't you guys ever heard of farings?

a fairing is one thing, a 4x8 sheet of plexiglass molded around the
driver is another...

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@zx11.Cactus.Org                                   Austin, TX
       "Gleep is not in the zoo, nor is he a lion, tiger, or bear." 
                                         -- J.E. Quist
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lime Creek Road -- and Ride to Work
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:49:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
>dunham@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:
>> Lime Creek Road is having a hungry summer.  First it bit Brad during
>the last information I had was that the Woods Honda employee had died from
...
>> bite out of another Tandem employee weekend before last.  In the last 
...
>> mobile - damage included two cracked ribs and multiple fractures of his
>> right shoulder blade.  Damage also included a wife who insists that he

Ulp.  "Nibbled" is more like it, compared to the others.  I count myself
extremely fortunate not to have hurt my pillion or myself (in that order). 

>on another note, I'm pretty dissapointed by the weak showing at Tandem
>for Ride to Work day. a little overcast and a light shower and everyone

I did indeed ride to work, and got caught in the rain.  With my rainsuit... 
neatly bungied to the back of the saddle.  I hate it when I do that.
However, I did not ride home from work, given that I took the bike up
to Round Rock and sold it yesterday.  I did okay on the deal, a couple of
hundred above blue book retail, but you always get hosed when you buy
new.  In any case, I came out a lot better than trying to take it up
to downtown Chicago.  

Not to worry, though.  To quote the Terminator, "I'll be back."  

>Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
>Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
                                                         ^^^
Hey, Joe.  What's the new machine name all about?  You gonna go MoPeD
on us now?  

Take care,
brad
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: biker german (was Re: I might as well fess up...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:20:49 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

In article <718@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>Baum soll man nicht verpflanzen. Ich angst haben auf anderung anerkannt.
>Wir leben und lernen... Ist es ein freude am fahren...
> etc....

Bitte?  

Ahem.  Interpreter?

>Ich habe die Landschaft gar nicht gekannt        NOT! :-)
                                                  ^^^
Um, shouldn't that be "NEIN!" ? 

Take care,
brad
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: st1lz@rosie.uh.edu (Duck aka D. Harper)
Subject: Re: Sunday ride?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:40:00 GMT

In article <13546@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes...
? 
? 
?Unless we're losing our feed here I haven't seen anyone else
?(besides Don and I) who want to go riding on Sunday.
? 
?Anyone else going?
? 
?Don had mentioned stopping in College Station for lunch . . 
?if this is the case . . any of you CSers up for a lunch
?meeting? Blaine?  I know Evelyn won't be able to come . . 
? 
?Mark
?-- 
?Mark A. Parsons
?mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu

Um, *sheepish grin*.  The Powers-That-Be where I work have decided that I have
to work Sunday Lunch, so I will not be able to make it.  *sigh*  And I needed a
ride.

Blaine, get in touch with Mark.  Paul, Loora, where are you?

Don


--
"Rabbit's clever"said Poo thoughtfully. "Yes,"said Piglet,"Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain." "Yes,"said Piglet,"Rabbit has Brain." "I suppose,"said Pooh,
"that that's why he never understands anything."-_The_Tao_of_Pooh_
Don Harper, DoD#0520, '82 GS550LZ, '87 CRX Si, Email: st1lz@jetson.uh.edu
From: st1lz@rosie.uh.edu (Duck aka D. Harper)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Ride this Sunday? ( 26.Jul.92 )
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:32:00 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Okay, nobody wash their bike this week.  Let's get together and take a small
ride Sunday.  Start, say, Willowbrook Mall ( at the Micky D's ), and go up
[12]49, though Sam Houston National Forest, over to FM 244 to TX 30 into CS for
lunch, then back whicheverway...

Of course, this ain't set in stone, and any other suggestions are
welcome...let's just ride, damnit! :-)

Don


--
"Rabbit's clever"said Poo thoughtfully. "Yes,"said Piglet,"Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain." "Yes,"said Piglet,"Rabbit has Brain." "I suppose,"said Pooh,
"that that's why he never understands anything."-_The_Tao_of_Pooh_
Don Harper, DoD#0520, '82 GS550LZ, '87 CRX Si, Email: st1lz@jetson.uh.edu
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: biker german (was Re: I might as well fess up...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Organization: NOT

steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade) writes:
]brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal) writes:
]]Joe Senner writes:
]]]I traded in the ZX-11 on a 92 BMW K100RS yesterday.
]]Sure you did, Joe.  And you traded the Goof2 in on a Llama.  Go ahead;
]]pull the other one.
]Actually Brad You win the boob of the day award.  Joe did indeed

I suspect brad got the boob award when he and the pillion got home 
after the last fest.

]get the K100RS16V, all it took was a quick ride back to work
]on the back of my K75S and his comment was.  "Damn this is smooth
]almost like being on a tourer".  

Baum soll man nicht verpflanzen. Ich angst haben auf anderung anerkannt.
Wir leben und lernen... Ist es ein freude am fahren...

]You won't catch me giving him
]shit about his choice since he finaly came to his senses for the
]type of riding we both do and plan to do alot more of in the future.

Ich habe die Landschaft gar nicht gekannt        NOT! :-)

]I've just got to get his
]ass in gear on the 600 mile break in, he just does not understand
]that BMW riders usually have the break in done with in 2 weeks.

dieser wochenende, dieser wochenende...

funny how those BMW's affect one, isn't it?
(Ich blamieren denn von mein schlecht Deutsche...)

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@zx11.Cactus.Org                                   Austin, TX
"Gleep is not in the zoo, nor is he a lion, tiger, or bear."        '92 K100RS
                                    -- J.E. Quist
From: guri@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gurvinder Singh Ahluwalia)
Newsgroups: tx.test
Subject: testing
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:10:48 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas


Testing nntppost
From: richard@technology.com (Richard Murphy)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: fetus vs. baby
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:52:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

I think Lawrence Tribe hit the whole abortion thing pretty well
in his book. The issue of person or "potential person" just leads
to endless arguments. However, one has to recognize that if what
goes on inside someones body is subject to the control of the
state, then we get some interesting legal consequences. For instance,
say I have a kidney failure, could I obtain a legal order to
compell you to donate one of your kidneys to me? After all, it would
be to save a human life, so how could this be refused?

On a different level, abortion has never been treated the same as
murder, even in when it was illegal in all states. So we have three
perplexing thoughts that come up IF it is murder:

1) Why shouldn't there be criminal penalties for the woman, instead of
   just the doctor?
2) Does anyone really believe that millions of Americans condone murder?
   When there is such an outcry over child abuse, why would many of the
   same people just ignore murder, unless they don't consider it to be
   murder?
3) Shouldn't all miscarriages be investigated as possible homicides?
   

Bans are always easy to push, because they look like you are doing something
while the problem just changes form. I think the anti-abortion people could
have cut the number of abortions drastically if they had just put their
time into preventing unwanted pregnancies......

R. Murphy