HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Direct automounter map problem (involving mounting a remote CD-ROM)
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Keywords: automount  direct map  CD-ROM
Organization: Sun Consultant - stationed at California Microwave, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:52:35 GMT

Two automount-related questions:

I'm trying to convert a small Sun shop (12 hosts) over to an automounted
world.  So far, I have a very simple setup (waiting for the big switchover to
auto.home), as follows.

auto.master:

# Directory     Map             NFS Mount Options
/-              auto.direct     -rw,hard,intr,noquota
/net            -hosts          -ro

auto.direct:

# Directory     Map             NFS Mount Options
/usr/local      sapms01:/usr/local      -grpid,rw,noquota,hard,intr,\
root=dopey:sleazy:grumpy:etc. ...

I've fired up automount on all the machines ("automount /usr/local -null" on
the "sapms01" machine in question) and everyone can see /usr/local perfectly
fine.  However, it appears that the "root=host1:host2:..." is being ignored,
because when I run "/usr/local/bin/sudo" - which tries to look at the directory
"/usr/local/adm/sudo", protected with mode "drwx--S---" and owned by "root"
on the server - "sudo" fails because it can't get into the directory.  So I
conclude running "sudo" as "root" on another machine is not getting recognized
as being "root" on the sapms01 server, and thus I conclude that the "root="
mount options in the auto.direct map are being ignored.  Is there a way to
fix this?

Now, more importantly.  I want to add AnswerBook to the auto.direct map.
They do not have enough disk space to install AnswerBook on disk, so I pulled
off the binaries into /usr/local/bin, stuck the "bookinfo" database in
/usr/local/etc and thought that I could do something simple like add this to
the auto.direct map:

	/usr/AnswerBook	sapms01:/cdrom	-ro,noquota,soft,intr

sapms01 exports /cdrom -ro to the world, and I can manually do a

	mount -vrto nfs ro,soft,intr,noquota,bg sapms01:/cdrom /usr/AnswerBook

on any of the clients, and this works fine.

However, if I try to add the aforementioned line to auto.direct and rebuild the
map (and SIGHUP a running "automount" to get it recognized), it doesn't work.
"/usr/AnswerBook" becomes a symlink to nowhere (Twilight Zone) instead of into
/tmp_mnt like I expected.  I tried SIGTERM'ing "automount" and restarted it,
but this didn't work either.

What am I missing?  Brent?  Anyone?  Am I all wet to use direct maps?  I will
use indirect maps for things like auto.home, of course, but for things that
like to live under /usr (like "local" and "AnswerBook", for example), I figured
that direct maps were better, until I hit this snag.  Any answers appreciated.

	- Greg
From: morgaine@siap.sublink.org (Nadia Pitacco (Morgaine))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: morgaine@siap.sublink.org
Organization: SIAP Sistemi S.p.A.

guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

>I also suspect fewer "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" than
>some folks think actually care that much about BSD vs. SV; I suspect
>many "engineers, scientists, and assorted techies" outside the UNIX
>community would be just as happy running, say, Windows NT, as long as
>the particular technical applications they wanted to run were available
>under NT on the platform in question.

>(I.e., don't confuse the hardcore UNIX weenie community with the
>technical community in general.)

 I'm part of the "assorted techies" category and I think you are missing
 the problem. 
 If I'm using someone else application I don't care if I'm running 
 Windows NT, HP-UX or even MS-DOS as long as the application works.
 But I don't look forward to porting to a new platform all the tools
 I've built to solve my particular brand of problems.
 
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From: jwt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Jeffrey W. Tannehill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,alt.sys.sun
Subject: rebuilding libc.so.1.8 on SunOS 4.1.3
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:01:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: duke.721933291
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


	I am interested in changing the shared library /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8
on our SunOS 4.1.3 system. I want to be able to delete  routines and add
new routines.  The Sun Answerbook describes how to build a shared library
(not libc though) and it appears to me that one must have the source and
recompile all the routines that will be in the library in order to change
the shared library.  
	Is that the case, or can one take libc.so.1.8 and somehow append/delete
another routine and create libc.so.1.8.1 without having the source and 
recompiling all the routines in libc.so.1.8 ?  
	Is there any way to extract the routines from a shared library .so 
file and put them back in their respective .o files, much the same as can be 
done with an ar(1) format file?

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From: jwa@yog-sothoth.dcrt.nih.gov (James W. Adams)
Subject: Re: DNS *with* NIS
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:26:22 GMT

In article <MELLAN.92Nov23171630@syst06.acri.fr> mellan@syst06.acri.fr (Alain Mellan) writes:
>My problem is the following:
>
>I would like to resolve machines names using DNS, then /etc/hosts,
>then the NIS. The resolv+ package allow to resolve with DNS and then
>/etc/hosts.
>I would like to have in /etc/resolv.conf a line that reads
>
>	order bind,local,nis
>
>Before I start hacking into resolv+, I'd like to know if someone
>already tried and/or succeeded implementing such a beast.

You don't need to hack anything.  Create the file /etc/host.conf
with the lines:

bind
hosts
nis

resolv+ uses this file to determine name resolution order.

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From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: DNS/IP
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: comp.sys.sun.admin
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:08:13 GMT

sdore@zeppelin.inesc.pt (Sergio F.Dore Soares) writes:
: 
: I would like to know why I can only use the number IP instead the DNS
: name on SunOs 4.1.2 ? If I put ftp 123.23.44 it works but if I put ftp
: csu.bu.edu it doesn't work and apears "unknown host: csu.bu.edu". Is it
: possible to resolve this problem ?
: Thanks in advance,
: 
Start by checking to see that the /etc/resolv.conf file points
to a valid DNS server.
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: lpickup@xanadu.btv.ibm.com (Lance Pickup)
Subject: Re: Flexible license manager
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:44:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: lpickup@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Technology Products

In article <1992Nov12.175524.26284@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com>, mongeau@NMC.ED.RAY.COM (Michael Mongeau) writes:
|> Does anyone have a utility to report on information logged by the
|> flexible license manager (FLEXlm), such as how many users
|> were using a feature simultaneously, minimum/maximum/average
|> use at various times of the day, etc.   The lmgrd daemon merely
|> makes an entry when a feature is checked out and back in, giving
|> an elapsed time.  The file gets too large to review manually.
|> Thanks in advance.

The tools that we have that come with FLEXlm come with their own tools
and awk scripts to digest the log and make sense out of it.  They
weren't easy to find though!  Maybe you have some and don't know it!
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From: jim@sun0.elon.edu (Jim Murphy)
Subject: CNews Help for Novice!
Organization: Elon College, Elon College North Carolina
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:45:58 GMT

I would appreciate help from someone who can spare a little time in
pointing me in the right direction to configure CNEWS.

Hardware: Sun Sparc 1+ , 1.3 gig external disk, 4.1.2 SunOS (1st
Solaris).

Placement in Dir Structure: I created a directory /usr/local/cnews and
untarred the CNEWS (latest as of last week) I ran BUILD from the
/usr/local/cnews/conf.

Error: I ran doit.root - no problems (no errors!). When I ran doit.bin
the following happened:

	+ make u copts= - dbm=-ldbm
	cc -O -I../include -I../relay -target Sun4 -c active.fast.c
	"../include/libc.h", line 33: redeclaration of umask
	* error code 1
	make:fatal error: command failed for target 'active.fast.o'

I have attempted the configuration if INN news and got the same error.

Thanks for any pointers...Jim



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: kzin@terminus.gatech.edu (John Rudd)
Subject: Disturbing News about Printing Under Solaris 2.1
Summary: No Sparc Printer Support
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:15:24 GMT


I was just reading through some sun intro mail, and it appears that if
you are currently using Solaris 2.1, you can't use a SparcPrinter or
the new NewsPrint 20 printer.  The OS doesn't support the SBus cards.
You can print to them as REMOTE printers only..which is fine for people
with networks... But I was thinking of buying a Sparcstation LX for my
personal use.  If I do that, I can't attach a SparcPrinter to it.  Which
means I'd have to buy an SBus parallel card, and attach a regular printer
to it.. which will probably cost me more than a SparcPrinter would have 
cost under educational discount.

It seems to me that Sun has decided to ignore anything other than it's new
target market (Large MIS departments), and is adopting strategies that will
actually put-off and DISCOURAGE purchases by smaller users.  If the two
new low-cost machines can't be used to print to their standard printers
when they're standalone machines.. then it must be that Sun released them
not to compete with the PERSONAL computer market, but with the portion of
the PC market that is being used in business LANS.

I suppose that's valid.  But it means a lot of the current discussions
about Sun comming down to the little people aren't true.  For the little
people, it seems Sun may eventually have products that *Can* support you,
but you're going to have to go through a teeth pulling, extra expense
process to get a workable machine.  And it's disturbing that Sun would
willingly shoot it's own customers in the feet...and hands...and..

(but then, in my opinion, IBM and Microsoft have been doing that for years,
and look how well they're doing...)
John Rudd  --  kzin@cc.gatech.edu         ex- kzin@ucscb.ucsc.edu
All opinions expressed here are my own, and no one elses.
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  seek shelter, and cover your head.  Do NOT Taunt Happy Fun Ball.
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Zmodem for Sun
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:48:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <6NOV199211125205@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> makovsky@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (MAKOFSKY,STEVEN) writes:
> Can anyone point me in the right direction where I can get Zmodem for 
> the sun? Thanks 


Telnet to archie.rutgers.edu, login in as archie, and type "prog
zmodem".  It will list where you can find it.

Or, just try looking around ftp.uu.net.

Kevin

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From: rob@hp11 (Rob Freyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Searching for E-mail package
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:14:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin

In <tkevans.722019653@eplrx7.es.dupont.com> tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) writes:

>karl@BofA.com (Karl Nicholas) writes:

>>In article <BxMtso.Ipz@beach.csulb.edu> kumeda@beach.csulb.edu (ANDY KUMEDA) writes:
>>>
>>>We are currently searching for E-mail/Office Automation packages that will
>>>serve several thousand users based on the following criteria:
>>>
>>>  1) Must support X-Window (OpenLook or Motif) either through an X-terminal
>>>     or a PC running an X-server.

Check out Z-mail

>>>  2) Must also support PCs running DOS, with a TCP/IP network connection.

You  might  want to further clarify this requirement. I assume Windows 3.x
is not in use so you are probably talking about a character based version.


>>>  3) In addition, a non-X version (character-based -- ASCII terminals) is 
>>>     preferable, but not required.

I believe Z-mail has this or is working on it.

>>>  4) Must be able to 'customize' -- ie original text to be replied or
>>>     forwarded should not be modifiable.

This  could  be  difficult  ...  When  I reply I usually do just what I am
doing  here.  I  embed  my  replies  in  the  original text and frequently
delete the unnecessary parts.

>>>  5) Must support SMTP.

Not a problem.

>>>  6) Vendor must have good technical support.  
                         ^^^^
								 Hmmmm.   8-)

								 

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Sun Ethernet cards
Keywords: Ethernet addressn
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:16:54 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production


>pla_kbh@sld60pki-nbg.philips.de (Kurt Behnke (TEAM SOS)) writes:
>
>>On two of our Sun (Sparc 2) WS we have installed an additional Ethernet 
>>controller (le1; the onboard controller is le0). The purpose is to try 
>>some OSI protocols on a small network, and not to interfere with the usual
>>IP traffic on the standard LAN.
>
>>When booting, the Sun OS takes the Ethernet address from le0, and assigns it
>>to le1, so that both have the same address. This even applies if le0 is
>>not connected. Since we want to use the second
>>net for some different kind of traffic the following questions arise:
>
>In fact, the Ethernet cards do not have an address; the Ethernet address
>is in the non-writable portion of the NVRAM.

Each card does have its own address.  You can change a flag in the kernal
.h files to allow the cards to use their own addresses instead of the nvram
address.  If you want further information on it, please email me at
zcjm0f@hou.amoco.com.  I do not think this is a really viable solution, 
as SVR4 will not have a compilable kernel and you will be forced to use
the current addressing state. 


cjohn mace
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.unix,comp.unix.admin
From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer)
Subject: How to do 'tunefs' on '/'
Organization: Private UUCP, Martin Cracauer, Norderstedt, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:24:02 GMT

How can I do 'tunefs' on '/'.

The manpages says, that the tuned filesystems must be unmounted.
Tunefs on mounted '/' gives no error message, but also no effect.

The machine in singleuser-mode gives same result.

Is there a way to unmount '/' on a working system or to make 'tunefs'
work on mounted '/'.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: magoo@baloo (Tim Lentz x255)
Subject: Re: Network management tool
Organization: Precision Visuals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:26:46 GMT

krt@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.r.tishenkel) writes:
: Can anyone recomend a network management tool for the SUN that will help
: 
: the system administrator in his daily tasks. 
: 
: Would like the tool to be able to do the following:
: 
: 
: 
:  1. Control User accounts.
: 

	How about YP (NIS)?

:  2. Propagate updates to all machines on the network
: 

	How about rdist?

:  3. Security
: 
	NIS again.

:  4. Bring on-line new workstations. ( 15 min. )
: 

	Combination of YP, AMD, and rdist. (We can do it in 10 on a 
		pre-installed machine)
: 
: We have been looking at the DECathena product, but would like to see
: what else is on the market.          
: 
: 
:  Please send Email or respond to this note.
: 
: 
:                           -Ken Tishenkel
:                            cblpe!krt     
:                            AT&T Bell Laboratories
: 
:     
: 
 Hope this helps.

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From: georgn@noweh.com (Georg S. Nikodym)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: Noweh Software, Mississauga, CANADA
	<15492@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:31:29 GMT

In article <15492@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

   I suspect the authors of that document simply didn't realize that:

	   1) the "make a FIFO" function of "mknod()" never *was*
	      privileged;

	   2) the "make a non-FIFO special file" function of "mknod()"
	      still *is* privileged;

   or perhaps suffered from some other form of confusion.

Or could it be that the authors have never heard of or seen fit to use
a named pipe? ;-)
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:42:54 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

> I'm part of the "assorted techies" category and I think you are missing
> the problem.
> If I'm using someone else application I don't care if I'm running 
> Windows NT, HP-UX or even MS-DOS as long as the application works.
> But I don't look forward to porting to a new platform all the tools
> I've built to solve my particular brand of problems.

You're also missing something.

Your argument about porting *your* tools is an argument against
*changing the platform*, not against SV.  (Similar arguments could, BTW,
be made about third-party tools, in that not all of them will Just Work
under 5.x, and will require porting.) If SunOS had started out as being
SV-based, and was being converted to a more BSDish base, the *exact same
arguments* could be used against that change.

I suspect, in fact, that, in practice, many - perhaps most - problems
people will have with SunOS 5.x will be due to it being *different* from
SunOS 4.x, *not* from it being SV-based.

Unfortunately, all too many people are going for general philosophical
whines about BSD vs. SV, rather than for specific complaints about the
fact that the OS is changing at all.
From: jdc@sunset (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:20:00 GMT
Originator: jdc@sunset.cse.nau.edu

From article <15477@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, by guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris):
: 
: Speaking of DEC, how much more like SV than Ultrix is their OSF/1
: release?  I had the general impression that the OSF/1 programming
: interface generally went the SV way in those cases where you have to
: choose (as opposed to, say, "sockets vs. STREAMS/TLI", where they could
: offer both, just as SVR4 does), and that the administrative utilities,
: or at least some of them (e.g., "init"), were SVR2-flavor or
: SVR3-flavor?
: 
: (IBM, HP, and SGI have, I think, already chosen the SV way in most of
: the cases where you have to choose....)

Yes, this would be interesting to know.  Also, who else is soon to
or has already forced a binary incompatibility on their installed base?

Also, could someone summarize the advantages (again) of ELF over COFF
and how OSF/1 fairs in the extended language arena?  If, as some
in this thread have suggested, Solaris becomes a vendor decision
point then it would be nice to know what other vendors are doing.
(I seem to remember there were some very good reasons for ELF if 4th
generation or even object oriented languages were important at your
site.)

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From: ron@mlfarm.com (Ronald Florence)
Subject: Re: Can I download news to my PC?
Organization: Maple Lawn Farm, Stonington, CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:40:21 GMT

B.G. Mahesh writes:

   My colleagues are on the road very often.  [...]
   They want to download news from these unix machines
   so that we can save some more $$$ !!!! Are there any
   public domain <grin> packages or commercially available
   packages which will do this?

Some years ago I wrote bsnews (`Bootstrap News' ;-) to enable some PCs
to take a limited newsfeed from us.  From the Readme:

   Bootstrap News is a collection of programs which enable a leaf node to
   take a limited news feed and post articles to Usenet.  News articles
   are spooled in Unix-mail-format files, where they can be read,
   printed, forwarded, replied-to, or saved.  The distribution provides a
   news-reader, news-poster, checknews, uudecode for binary and graphics
   files, and daemons to unpack and expire news received via uux or mail.
   Bsnews after version 2.0 includes multiple, user-configurable news
   spools, and simplified configuration with a `make whatami' script.
   Version 2.2 provides bug fixes for weird date commands, maverick
   compilers, and error messages.

   Bsnews has been tested on BSD and SystemV Unix, including Xenix.
   Portions can be built on ms-dos, Amiga, Atari, and Coherent systems
   running uucp workalikes.  Bsnews is not a substitute for B-News or
   C-News.  if your news needs include feeding articles to downstream
   nodes, or if your news subscription is more than a few dozen news
   groups, you should probably install a full news package.

Bsnews 2.1 is available at uunet and other comp.sources.misc archives.
It might meet your needs.
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