HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen)
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Foo-Foo: words wanted
Keywords: song
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.233716.17319@ohsu.edu> lawder@ohsu3b2.ohsu.EDU (Kathryn Lawder) writes:
>(Suzanne Morine) writes:
>>Does anyone know the words to Little Rabbit Foo-Foo?
>>
>>Little Rabbit Foo-Foo
>>Went hopping through the forest,
>>Picking up the field mice
>>And bopping them on the head.
> 
>Lucky for you all, my 10-year old is into the office with me on a
>very rare Saturday session.  SHE knows it this way:
>
>Little Bunny Foo-foo
>Hopping thru the forest
>Scooping up the field mice
>And bopping them on the head
>
>(voiced) Down came the good fairy and she said:
> 
>Little Bunny Foo-foo
>I don't want to see you
>Scooping up the field mice
>And bopping them on the head
>
>(voiced) I'll give you three chances
>And if you don't behave I'll turn you into a toad
>
>   ---------------   Verses deleted
>--
>There you have it:  the rural Oregon version of this
>classic (which I missed in my own midwestern childhood)
> 
>Mahrie and Kathi
>lawder@ohsu.edu
>
From another part of Oregon.  I heard the same version with two minor changes.

The first was that Little Bunny Foo Foo was to be turned into a goon, rather
thatn a toad.  The good fairy came down after each verse, and counted off the
number of days left.  

The first change allows the second change.  At the end, the good fairy intones
the moral of the story:

"And the moral of the story is, 'Hare today, Goon Tommorrow.' "

There you have it:  the urban Oregon version of this classic.  (Which I 
heard mostly around campsites. :) )
>
>-- 


-- 
davej@techbook.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks  
TECHbooks is kind enough to provide me with access, I wouldn't presume  
to have their opinions.  I am not even sure I have my own!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: Norplant
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.163147.2176@fwhnm02.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com> aharvey@fwhnm02.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Anne Harvey) writes:
> 
>I am considering using the Norplant implant system of contraception.
>....
>I'd like to hear any personal experience with this type of
>contraception, especially those who have breastfed while using
>Norplant.

I am also interested to hear people's experience with this.  
I am considering it too, after this kid gets himself born.

Laura Watson
From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Easter Snack Summary
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:28:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>From: Jane Marcus <janem@hpfclg.fc.hp.com>
> 
>I haven't tried these, but I was planning to get my kids for their
>Easter baskets something called "Basket Buddies".  I saw an ad for
>these Easter snacks which are made of fruit instead of candy.

Just a note about these - they are 'fruit snacks' like the kind you
buy in the pouches, so they are candy. I saw them at K-Mart today.
                             Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shari@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Shari Jackson)
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Reply-To: shari@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Shari Jackson)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 15:54:06 GMT

I've been following this thread, and wondered if anyone has considered
the possibility of the child skipping a grade later on.  In my case, I
went to kindergarten at age 5, but after 2nd grade my teacher
recommended that I skip 3rd grade and attend a gifted program that
started with 4th grade.  It worked out great for me - school became
much more interesting and challenging.  I should note that we had
moved after my 1st grade, so possibly I was in a better school system
for K and 1st, and that made 2nd grade so dull for me.  The only thing
that was considered a problem for skipping was that cursive writing
was taught in the 3rd grade.  So my teacher tutored me in cursive over
the summer.

I was always the youngest, but that wasn't much of a problem.  I
always found it ironic that the oldest girl in my class was, IMHO, the
most immature. The biggest drawbacks of being the youngest came much
later, in being the last of my peers to get my driver's liscense, the
last to be allowed into R rated movies, and the last to be of legal
drinking age.  Oh well.  It was still worth it.

    - Shari
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Techniques/Therapies for ADD children
From: C0140@vmcms.csuohio.edu (Fabian L. Ferreri)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 13:55:03 EST
 <1992Mar26.173009.12775@cco.caltech.edu> <2674@master.CNA.TEK.COM> <1992Mar31.055529.15836@Armstrong.EDU>
Organization: CSU

A person (whose name and net address I did not copy) recently
wrote she has a daughter who has ADD.  Her daughter was
Ritalin medicated as a child, but is now off the medication
and in a "gifted class" at school.
 
Has anyone had similar experiences?
 
Christopher, my 7 year old, has ADD and is Ritalin medicated.
I'm looking for techniques/therapies that will help him become
less dependent on the drug.
 
Any and all information will be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Fabian
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: A visit from the stork
Date: 6 Apr 1992 13:23:30 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com


Kathleen, Ephraim, and David Vishniac are really excessively pleased to
report the arrival of 

                       Jordan Daniel Vishniac

who was born March 30th, 1992, in Lawrence, Massachusetts, and joined
us with the help of the Boston Adoption Bureau, Inc., on Friday, April
3rd.  Jordan weighed 7 pounds, 12 ounces at birth and was 20 - 1/4"
long. He's in excellent health, although big brother David reports
that "he looks funny."

We thank everyone who helped us in our search. 
-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
From: czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Andrew Daviel - Pediatric Dentists
Keywords: NOVOCAINE SWAB
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:43:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Defense Construction Supply Center, Columbus

Andrew - you said you believed your daughter's dentist used a novocaine swab
before injecting her with a local anesthetic.  Is this a fairly common practice
for pediatric dentists?  If so, all other dentists could take a lesson from it 
and maybe utilize it for their adult patients.  There are some adults who are
just as scared of dentists as kids!

I know, because I'm one.

Kevin Wright








P. S., I'm not trying to remake "House of the Rising Sun." 
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
From: susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:17:42 GMT

In article <92105.184716ST02400@auvm.american.edu> ST02400@auvm.american.edu (Carl Reimann) writes:
>
>The arguments against this plan are somewhat comples. First of all, it is ar
>gued that reducing payments upon the birth of a third child will in effect
>punish children for their parents' behavior. Second, it is argued that the
>behavior of welfare mothers is not significantly different from that of other
>recipients of state aid, such as young widows who receive social security. In
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>fact, it is pointed out that despite the lack of difference in behavior the
>young widows actually receive much more assistance. Third, it is argued that

I just couldn't pass this up.  A wage earner paid into social security
to make that child eligible.  It is allegedly a form of insurance.   To
the best of my recollection the young widow is not eligible, it's her
children.  The welfare recipient may or may not ever have paid taxes,
but if the welfare child is deprived of parental support due to a wage
earners death, you can bet your bottom dollar that kid will be getting
the social security money.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan)
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Australian National University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:28:05 GMT

When our daughter was born (we had a homebirth) we popped the placenta in
a freezer bag and into the freezer intending to bury it and plant a tree
(to commemorate our daughter's birth) over it. Unfortunately we were renting
and had to vacate the house before we had a chance. The placenta ended up
going out in the garbage.

As we now own our own home (well, the Building Society owns it and they 
kindly agree to let us live there in return for charging us exhorbitant
interest on a massive loan :-)), when our next child comes along, we will
definitely go through through with our plans to bury the placenta and
plant a tree.

My wife recently attended the 2nd homebirth of a couple of friends. They
still hadn't gotten around to burying the placenta from the first birth
(was in the freezer) 15 months before. There were jokes traded about making
sure that no one accidently popped the placenta into the microwave instead
of the after birth dinner the mother had prepared a few days beforehand
and frozen :-).

Drew.
-- 
  You are what you are and where you are
    because of what has gone into your mind.
  You can change what you are and where you are
    by changing what goes into your mind.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Poo-Poo
Keywords: song
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:41:32 GMT

No, I'm not going to give the words; enogh people have done that.
Wht I wanted to know was if any other kids say "little rabbit poo poo"
like Beth does. Boy, she thinks that's funny.

Kate
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Extraction of baby teeth
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:08:16 MDT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

In article <43098@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
> 
> [abscess threatening 5.5YO boy's permanent front teeth]
> 
> My question is about anaesthetics.  The dentist scheduled Jeff for a
> local. There are two reasons for why I'd want to consider something
> a little stronger.  The first is obvious: I want to cause Jeff as
> little anxiety and pain as possible.  This is his first major
> experience with the dentist and I'd like him to remember it without
> pain and fear.  The second reason is that I think that it would be
> nearly impossible to keep Jeff still throughout the procedure. . . .
> 
> Anyway, I don't know the technical term for the alternative, but we
> always called it "laughing gas.". . .
> 
> If you have any experience with such procedures personally or with
> your own children, PLEASE pass them along.
> 
     Speaking personally, the nitrous oxide (?) scared the hell out of
me.  I had it when I was in 7th grade and had some cavities filled. 
The dentist gave me Novacaine for the jaw, and gas to keep me calm. 
It did mellow me out, but I hallucinated rather badly.  For instance,
at one point I watched the dentist's eye come off his face and float
around the room, staring at me the whole time.  This is not something
I'd wish on anyone as young as Jeff.

     For the record, this problem is probably peculiar to me.  It did
not put me off dentists, just the gas.  And from previous and
subsequent experience, it was not the Novacaine causing the problem.

19 weeks (!) and counting to #2
-- 
Patrick S. Clark            | "Got to pay your dues
Internet:  slb3y@cc.usu.edu |  If you want to sing the blues
Bitnet:    slb3y@usu        |  And you know it don't come easy."       
Disclaimer:  Ringo Starr's song.  I claim the unattributed stuff.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: misc.kids (was Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:51:13 GMT

In article <gXi5iB4w163w@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz> karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward)) writes:
>valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) writes:
>
>
>> Eric Lee Green on the other hand is breath of fresh air, as he seems the only
>> one on the net to exclude his personal superficial perceptions, and submit
>> opinions that can be summerized by
>> 
>> 	"I heave read and analyzed the research, therefore I know how to treat
>> 	 children."
>
>The one thing that you do learn when youhave children...is that all the
>theory in the world, is often very little help. Often the thing that is
>the most help, is another, experienced parent.
>
Exactly! I think that the misc.kids parents are a very sophisticated lot.
Many of us do read alot of books/papers/magazines about parentings. But there
is nothing like the net for getting some real info. Last week I asked the
net about a possible side effect of a virus that Jeffrey had. None of the
books I read mentioned it, and my mother who is a nurse practitioner in
Pediatrics had never heard of it. Well, the net came thru where the literature
didnt - several other net.kids had the same side effect. 

I cant imagine how I made it thru my pregnancy and the first 6 months of 
Jeffrey's life without the net!

Laura Floom


>Karen
>
>


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: radika@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (kumar.s.narayanan)
Subject: Daycare
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:36:08 GMT

We need some words of wisdom from the netdom on startegies to ease our
13 month old into the world of daycare. April 1 was his first day at the
daycare near work (a wonderful palce, in our opinion). Much to our dismay,
he did not quite appreciate the change of scenary and has been bawling
his heart out during our absence form the daycare center. Our choices are
these 1) allow him to ahve alenghty tarnsition. His g`pa is willling to spend
time with him at the center (and the center permits this) so that he is not
amidst strangers  or 2) steel our hearts and turn oue backs on him every
morning. We are in a quandry and any advice would be appreciated. Thanks - Kumar
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Books
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:28:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <shari.702228688@wal6000a.drcf.upenn.edu> <31915@darkstar.ucsc.edu>
  <1992Apr4.163237.3049@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
  <1992Apr6.114004.13259@umiami.ir.miami.edu>

I didn't like the format of What to Expect..., but I found the information
was generally good. I also had the Well Pregnancy Book. I liked it
fairly well, but I felt completely left out when I no longer had a "well
pregnancy" (preterm labor and many weeks in bed). There were several
sentences or paragraphs in Well Pregnancy that seemed to be blaming me
for my problems. I don't have the book here, but I recall something like
blaming preterm labor on not taking proper care of yourself during
pregnancy. 

What to Expect wasn't much help after my complications started either. 
In preparation, next time I think I'll find a book about high rist
pregnancies just to have in case I have problems again.

Carol
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Influencing the sex of your child (at conception)?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:55:49 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

From article by ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah):
> I read somewhere that your actions at the time of conception can
> influence the sex of your child.  The broad idea was that male
> sperm are different from female sperm, and you can exploit this.
> 
> If I remember right, man-on-top and woman-has-orgasm are good for
> female children.  (And vice versa).  The idea is that female sperm
> swim weaker, so the contractions of orgasm (and gravity) make their
> life relatively easier.  E.g. with woman-on-top, the critters are 
> fighting gravity, and that gives an edge to male sperm.
> 
> There was also some stuff about the pH which I don't recall.
> 
> Does someone have "the full dope" and practical experience/suggestions?
> 
>         -ans.


I suggest getting a book called "How to Choose the Sex of your Baby" by
Landrum B. Shettles, M.D.,Ph.D., and David M. Rorvik, available among the
pregnancy type books in B.Dalton and Waldenbooks.   Using his methods he
claims you can sway the odds by up to 80% as to whether you conceive a girl
or boy.  It is significantly achieved by mere timing of your intercourse.
Girl sperm live longer but boy sperm swim faster, so intercourse no later
than a few days before ovulation will sway the odds for a girl because the
boy sperm won't live long enough.  Intercourse at or closely after ovulation
will sway the odds for a boy because the boy sperm will swim to the egg
faster.  He gives you basic natural family planning instructions so you can
identifly and eventually predict, the woman's ovulations.  He goes into other
details about douching with either vinegar or baking soda to effect the pH
levels to favor one type sperm over the other, and positional suggestions
because of the differing sperm swimming abilities over distance, but I'm not
sure I recall any suggestions about whether or not the prospective mother
should have orgasms.

Anyway, my own NFP instructor confirmed to me that from what they see
in the charting of their clients, this author's suggestions about timing
were right on.  However, she thought that all the rest of it was just bells
and whistles.


Suzanne Forgach
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:49:35 GMT


Our hospital informed us that they sell the placentas to shampoo companies.
That's where the "protein" in protein shampoo comes from.

-- 
I finally decided what I want on my tombstone...

	"Here lies Judy Leedom Tyrer.  The world will never see another like 
	 her.  We are undecided on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing."	
From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:17:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In misc.kids, mwalker@taimyr (Marilyn Walker) writes:

    I am looking for a catalog that carries moderately priced, attractive, 
    maternity clothes, primarily made of natural fibers.  I became very 
    discouraged after looking through store racks of mostly polyester 
    blends with very little selection.  In a mid-size city we have only a 
    few stores that even carry maternity clothes.  Wearing polyester 
    feels like dressing in a plastic bag to me, and add that to being 
    pregnant during the summer....

    Any suggestions, information (besides making my own clothes - I'd 
    never finish before the baby came) are most welcome.


Oh goodness - I accidently encrypted my last reply. Darn computers!

Anyways my rather long winded original reply was to shop at "Large
Women's" store (eg. Lane Bryant).  The selection is much larger,
better fabrics, better style and reasonable prices.  For "everyday"
clothes this worked out great.  I bought I few stretch pants and
lots of big overshirts.  Well, it worked great for me..

  Good Luck,

     Danielle (mom to Taylor Marie, 7 months)
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: more on gestational age
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

>From article by lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom):
>
>> BTW, the little chart they use doesnt take into consideration leap day, so
>> those of you that conceived before leap day are really due a day earlier. I
>> bet that makes you all very happy!

Actually, some of them do.  When I went to my first OB appointment with
my current pregnancy (late 1991), they gave me a due date of 40 weeks
plus one day, based on the little "wheel" calculator.  I asked them
to recalculate it in 1992, and they gave me a date of exactly 40 weeks,
with a new, 1992 "leap year" wheel.  The difference, obviously, was
the inclusion of Feb. 29 this year!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: lamping@parc.xerox.com (John Lamping)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Excessive Morning Sickness--FAQL?
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:30:28 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC

amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:

>I am now in my eighth week of pregnancy and extremely ill; haven't
>been able to keep much of anything down; doesn't seem to be a pattern
>to what I can keep down.  I am weak but very hungry.

>I want to avoid hospitalization which has been looming over me
>(dehydration).  I'd like to manage this problem at home where
>it is more comfortable and you can actually sleep (been in
>hospital; can't get any rest as the nurses constantly come in 
>and wake you up, to take this medicine or eat now cause the
>tray's here, etc.).

This is Anne Paulson writing from her husband's account:

Amy, all my sympathies.  I quite understand your desire to avoid
hospitals.  I wanted to have a home birth, but ended up with not only
a hospital birth, but a two-week stay in the hospital (not even the
maternity floor) when I was 8 1/2 months pregnant.  But for you
and all the other women who are suffering from bad "morning" (morning, hah)
sickness, I pass on this advice from my sister Susan, who had morning
sickness for all nine months and LOST twenty pounds in her pregnancy.
Susan, by the way, now has a beautiful healthy six-month-old.

Susan was also trying to avoid hospitalization.  Several times her
OB wanted to hospitalize her, but each time Susan talked her out of
it.  Finally she had the flu, and couldn't keep anything down for a
day.  Off to the hospital she went for the IV.  And she felt so much 
better, she wished she'd done it before.  Dehydration makes you more
nauseated.

Your mileage may vary.

-- Anne Paulson
annep@momenta.com
From: gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:52:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Estimating Birth Date by Ultrasound
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

gazit@antigone.usc.edu (Salit) writes:

>In article <2158@gandalf.intel.com> linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
>>my 37th week.  They estimated her to be less than 5 lbs.  Less than a week
>>later, I gave birth to a 6 lb 14 oz baby girl.  Needless to say, everyone was
>>surprised she as that big.  
>
>The size of my son was not ultrasound-estimated, so I don't have first hand
>experience, but about four years ago an aquaintance (sp?) of mine had given
>birth to a baby girl. For the one month prior to delivery, she was put on
>bed rest because the baby was deemed to be too small by the ultrasound test.
>She gave birth about two weeks prior to her due date (I think, this has been
>quite a long time ago). The baby came in at 8 lb, 14 oz...
>
>So much for ultrasound estimations.
>----------

    I feel a flame rising, but I will try to put it down.

    You would discard all ultrasound estimations because of ONE experience
    with a poor estimation?   Whew!
 
    The ultrasound helped PREVENT our second child being induced.   We were
    two weeks over due, and our OB/GYN performed the Ultrasound, and determined
    from measurements of the cranium and other proportions that the child
    was normal and in no danger.  He put off induction for 10 more days,
    and in the meantime, we had an easy WONDERFUL pregancy.