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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:51:21 GMT

toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten) writes:

>                                                   BTW, that
> really is Elaine Miles at the keyboard.  Although they did seem
> to go out of there way in this episode to never actually show
> a full shot of Elaine Miles fingering the keyboard.  Perhaps
> she didn't know this piece?
> 
I was confused about this too.  Especially since this is a really easy 
piece (the Mozart one).  I played this in my second or third year of 
piano lessons.  Perhaps the film editor just did not like any of the 
shots of Marilyn playing.  It is very difficult to get a good shot of 
someone playing an upright grand piano since the back is so high.  The 
best shot is from the rear which would not really show Marilyn playing 
and would make her look huge (back shot on a piano bench).  Any other 
ideas?

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Mike must be CIA
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:36:18 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci.
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dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dick Cleek) writes:
: From article <1k14obINN77q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel):
: > 
: > How else could he get satellite imagery that fast?
: > -- 
:  
: just ftp to vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
: 
: or several other sites and have a gif viewer handy
: 
: -- 
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How much does a T1 line to Cicely cost?

--
Jonathan W. Hendry
Drexel University College Of Information Studies
Anderson Financial Systems "Programmer-in-Exile" :)
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<set loose the marmosets!>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:41:18 -0500 
From: "Marvin H. Blachman" <mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Perfectly Tuned Piano?

Okay, so all this symbolism is too deep for me! Could someone explain to
me what is wrong with a perfectly tuned piano (and for that matter, a
perfect Persian rug). My first synical impression was "job security" (at
$150+, he may want to come back soon), but that doesn't fit with the
artistic side of the rug makers. I thought it might be some "Indian
thing", but the piano tuner said it.

Any clues?

Marvin
From: cazuzek@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Zuzek, John E.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: "Duets" (1/18 episode)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:30:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <25JAN199311030663@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, cazuzek@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Zuzek, John E.) writes...
>In article <1993Jan20.194156.1179@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes...
>> 
>>for some reason or other the blind guy reminded me of the person (Tom 
>>Waits?) who played Renfield in Bram Stoker's Dracula.
> 
>Just for the record, Renfield was played by Anthony Hopkins.

Okay, I goofed!!!  Renfield was played by Tom Waits.  Van Helsing was 
played by Anthony Hopkins.  (Thanks, Janet  ;-)

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-----------------------------------| Hell"  
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From: Steve Eiswirth <eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com>
Subject: NEXP starting to suck
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:44:45 GMT

Is it just me or is NEXP starting to suck?  I just don't find Ed funny at
all, and to base 75% of a show on him made it almost intolerable.  And the
bubble guy is also unfunny; his character was a bad idea from the start,
but
it became a necessity to the writers because they obviously force a strong
dose of environmentalism and feminism (Maggie's constant whining) down
everybody's throat.  Environmentalism is fine, but it's boring and
unfunny.
And how often are we expected to laugh at Shelly's "hooters" and "nips"
commentary?  I want to see more of the funny, cynical, smart ass attitude
that made the show funny in the past.  More Joel, more Maurice, more of
Maurice
trying to pick up women, more Marilyn, more Adam and Eve.  Less of Chris
preaching on the radio, less of Maggie and Bubble Boy, less Ed.

I'm real close to giving up on the new shows and watching only repeats
from
the early years.
From: luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Rerun
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:35:07 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1993Jan26.134210.7710@leland.Stanford.EDU> H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.023914.1288@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jason 'Think!'
>steiner, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu writes:
>>seeing this episode again makes me wonder whatever happened to Amy?
>>she's make a much better addition to NXP than Mike. and it seemed
>>like they were setting her up for a continuing role. oh well.
>
>Giving Chris a love interest is like killing off Fleischman... I liked
>Irene better than Amy any way.
>
>He got a new bike, and she is history... unless, of course, they bring
>her back.
>

I thought this episode sucked.  Trashing the bike just because the stupid bird died?
It seemed to me that Amy was a major flake.  I thought it was quite unreasonable
to insist that Chris suffer just because she was suffering from the loss of the 
animals.  Two wrongs don't make a right, plus she just seemed petty.  I thought that
Chris would be smarter than that.  
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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Perfectly Tuned Piano?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:02:54 GMT

In article <sfLdbim00Uh_01AppI@andrew.cmu.edu> "Marvin H. Blachman" <mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:41:18 -0500 
>From: "Marvin H. Blachman" <mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Subject: Perfectly Tuned Piano?
>Okay, so all this symbolism is too deep for me! Could someone explain to
>me what is wrong with a perfectly tuned piano (and for that matter, a
>perfect Persian rug). My first synical impression was "job security" (at
>$150+, he may want to come back soon), but that doesn't fit with the
>artistic side of the rug makers. I thought it might be some "Indian
>thing", but the piano tuner said it.
>
>Any clues?
>
>Marvin


My understanding is that the Persian rug makers would leave one imperfect 
strand to allow all the evil spirits to escape from the rug. If it was 
perfect, they would be somehow "trapped"..

Wes

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Internet: wvoss@novell.com
Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
and no one elses... You know the rest...
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From: fsdgs@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: CLASSIC MAURICE LINES.. ED TOO
Summary: FEW MAURICE LINES, ONE FROM ED TOO
Keywords: MAURICE ED LINES
Reply-To: 98682805@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:26:52 GMT

Just a few MAURICE quotes worth requoting::

to German....


"Pipsqueak Arien cabbagehead"


return:
"Self-satisfied Burgermiester"


"You bet your Nordic Hinnie I will"



PS:  yah, I'd like to see a complete episode guide posted.

thanks in advance.


HAVE to mention Ed...

German to Ed.

"Are you an Indian?"

ED:  "YUP, 50/50"...



DAVID LATKA

98682805@ucs.uwplatt.edu

College of engineering in Wisconsin at Platteville


c/o
Dave Schwantes
fsdgs@acad3.alaska.edu
UAF
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Perfectly Tuned Piano?
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:08:58 GMT

In article <sfLdbim00Uh_01AppI@andrew.cmu.edu> "Marvin H. Blachman" <mb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Okay, so all this symbolism is too deep for me! Could someone explain to
>me what is wrong with a perfectly tuned piano (and for that matter, a
>perfect Persian rug).

The idea is that only God can make something perfect, and to even
strive for perfection would be hubris.  The humble explicitly flaw
their own work for that reason.  I liked this touch a lot.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: 1/25 Rerun:  Comments
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:02:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	The 1/25 NEXP rerun had several aspects worth reconsidering.  I'll
cite at least two.

	First of all, the bit with Chris's motorcycle was ridiculous, but it
led to something worthwhile.  Sometimes, the individual substories are not
particularly interesting, but contain a gem that renders the substory valuable.
In this case, it was the conclusion.  "Inchworm, inchworm," and the woman
watching Pi run across the screen, were delightful.

	Second:  The clock part has new significance the second time ;-) around,
particularly since it came right after Duets.  I refer specifically to the
discussion of artisan's imperfections.  Is it carrying that interpretation too
far to see a clock's keeping perfect time as an afront to a diety?

	And Ed's movie was fun, too.

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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Perfectly Tuned Piano?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:40:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.151143.27784@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> sammy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Sammy) writes:
>The piano tuner was arrogant enough to compare himself with those
>great artists, and to compare his work to a masterpiece.
>In his arrogance, he introduced the humility shown by
>the great rug makers by leaving his work imperfect in one
>small thing.

If I expected TV to be credible, I'd probably be bothered by
the fact that it's not really possible to tune a piano
"perfectly," in the first place.  A piano that's perfectly
tuned for one key will be slightly out of tune in the others.
Pianos today are tuned to what's called an even temperament,
in which they're ever-so-slightly out of tune in all keys
but are on average close enough not to be offensive, or even
audible, to any but the most sensitive ears.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Rerun
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78A8000EC0200F0@naranja-pc-175.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:43:28 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:42:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.023914.1288@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jason 'Think!'
steiner, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu writes:
>seeing this episode again makes me wonder whatever happened to Amy?
>she's make a much better addition to NXP than Mike. and it seemed
>like they were setting her up for a continuing role. oh well.

Giving Chris a love interest is like killing off Fleischman... I liked
Irene better than Amy any way.

He got a new bike, and she is history... unless, of course, they bring
her back.

hwn
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From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: Who Was The Blind Piano-Tuner?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:44:29 GMT

In article <rizzoe.707.727543346@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>In article <20JAN199307265987@cc.utah.edu> pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W.
>JARMAN) writes:
>>{In article <1993Jan19.163315.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
>matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>{>We screwed up on the vcr last night and missed the opening credits
>>{>for "Duets" and I have a question that's been driving me crazy!
>>{>Who played the blind piano tuner?  I know I recognise him from
>>{>somewhere!  Is he a famous musician?  I keep coming up with names
>>{>like Joe Cocker and Ian Anderson, but I know it wasn't either of
>>{>them!  Help please, from someone who got the credits!

>>I'd swear I heard it was an actor named Kevin Conway. 

>That's what the credits said but then I didn't know who Kevin Conway was!

Did Conway play a character or guest on the old Dark Shadows show? He looks 
familiar, but I can't pin him down...

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
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From: toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten)
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, Tulane Univ.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:55:38 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-28143]: bourbon

In article <C1AGot.Hnu@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <forb0004.221.727755524@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:
>
>>(?aaaggh. Whatsername, Joel's Native American receptionist) 
>>develops her personality (which had been pretty flat on the show) by 
>>revealing that she's a good pianist and has musical interests. 
>
>I liked Marilyn's personality well enough already.  The writers do
>spend a little too much time harping on her taciturnity (is that a
>word?) but I like it.  I *did* really appreciate the way her
>piano-playing was presented without comment -- no "Marilyn??  You have
>hobbies??" or the like from Joel.
>
Marilyn's piano skills are not something new.  In fact, nearly
every time a piano is used on the show, it's Marilyn playing.
Any music you hear in the church is usually her.  BTW, that
really is Elaine Miles at the keyboard.  Although they did seem
to go out of there way in this episode to never actually show
a full shot of Elaine Miles fingering the keyboard.  Perhaps
she didn't know this piece?

>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 

					Derek Toten
					toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu


Derek Toten
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Mail-Order Ordination
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 05:44:27 GMT
Organization: Mark-n-Judy's Place
Reply-To: mark@whizbang.wariat.org


Mason L. Allen wrote:

!Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of a mail-order ministry or
!whatever which certifies clergymen?  You know, like Chris's ordainment
!while in prison from the back of a Rolling Stone (I already checked,
!there hasn't been an add in that mag for a couple of weeks).  Any
!religion would do (Universalist?  Congregationalist?  New Zion?)

Ahem.

The Congregational Church (which has now pretty much merged into
the United Church of Christ) does not countenance mail-order
ordinations.  We have several seminaries of national reputation
and a longstanding scholarly tradition.  (Ever heard of Harvard?)

Harrumph.


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From: motani@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: MORE 1/18 TIDBITS
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:48:47 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17c by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
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Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: rec.radio.shortwave

In <11400@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Eric Forbis (forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: >[6] How does Mike get the latest aerial photographs?
>: 
>: I thought they were satellite photos, though I could well be wrong. My wife 
>: and I immediately wondered what kind of networks Mike was hooked into to be 
>: able to download this kind of stuff; not very realistic. 
>
>   Weather satellites, at least some of them, transmit standard FAX data 
>over frequencies that many 'police scanners' can pick up.  It takes a
>special antenna to pick them up, but nothing exotic and Mike probably has
>a FAX machine and a scanner.

Ummm...a couple of problems with the technical explanations of weather fax 
(WEFAX) and sattelite images. The protocol and format for Fax over radio is not 
the same as the fax you send over the telephone. Therefore, you can not use a 
standard fax machine to decode them. Most WEFAX decoding and display these days
is done by computer. Weather maps (the ones which indicate weather systems, 
fronts and conditions) are not usually transmitted directly by sattelite. These
are usually transmitted by coast guard stations or by NOAA in the US or 
Environment Canada in "The Great White North" :-). There are some sattelites 
which take atmospheric photographs in either visible light or infrared and 
transmit them in the VHF band, i.e. they can be picked up by commonly available 
scanners, but this requires some tracking equipment to track the sattelite as it
comes into "view", unless the sattelite is geostationary. Most of these 
sattelites are not geostationary. I saw no evidence of a tracking antenna (i,e, 
a rotatable antenna) outside Mike's house. Most imaging sattelites downlink 
their information on UHF or XHF, which requires equipment which is more 
specialized, sometimes significantly more so. I also saw no evidence of this in 
Mike's house. Even if he could receive these images, many of them are encrypted 
because this is proprietary information. That is how companies like Landsat make
their money: they sell these images.

I think that this explanation may have been more appropriate for 
rec.radio.shortwave. Note the follow-up line. I will be happy to continue this 
discussion by e-mail if you wish.

Just let me say that NEXP is drama and fiction folks! Granted, the editors and
writers could have been more careful about explaining how Mike got the pictures,
but this is not central or critical to the storyline. Just let yourself go and 
enjoy the story, people.


________________________________________________________________________________
Muiz Motani
IBM Canada Lab                  motani@vnet.ibm.com
Distributed System Products
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Subject: Re: Nexp starting to suck
From: fern@violet.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:13:13 MST
Distribution: world,local
Nntp-Posting-User: fern

First off, who says NEXP has to be funny-HA HA-funny all the time? I'm not
saying PREACK TO ME all theTIME, but come on...so the environment doesn't make
you hold your sides and roll around on the floor...boredom is a good thing,
too. Escapism gets old, y'know?
Anyway, mvoing on to ED. Ed is a great guy. Specify why you're so sick of him.
I'm not being aggressive here, I'm really curious. Does he seem daft or
something? You don't find him sweet and endearing? And why is it you only want
to see more of these disgusted men on the show? I noticed you don't want more
of Ruth-Ann or any of those types. I noticed you think Maggie is some kind of
hysterical female. Well, who wouldn't be hysterical in her position? 
..Let's talk about MARU (Maurice), that you want to see so much more of.
Personally, I could do without him. What is this NASA astronaut stuff? And
what's so funny about witnessing his pathetic attempts to pick up women?
Seriously, now. Tell me why TYHAT is comedy. Really, I'd be real interested to
engage in some kind of dialogue here about what humor is. Maggie's hysteria (if
it be so) is funny; Maurice's obnoxious lack of self-scrutiny isn;t. Not
refreshing. Not funny, not entertaining. Joel, yes, I give you Joel. And
Marilyn. Not Adam and Eve, no. I could explain all this at greater length (or
explain it at all), but I'm making too many typos, don't know how this computer
works, and I apologize.
I've got to agree that Mike and Maggie aren't generating any visible heat.
There may be a woman out there somewhere for the bubble man, but it isn't
Maggie. Maybe he's a ploy to alarm everyone in the audience. I'll bring this to
a close. Is feminism, then, unfunny, boring and worse? And I'm not making any
sense. Bye.     


Ignore this (computer trouble).... ...Let's talk about MAURICE, that you want to b
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Gravity's Rainbow
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:01:06 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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wvarga@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Wilson Varga) writes:

> She is becoming involved with Mike the Bubble Man, and
>his manner of death will likewise come silently from above:  some
>ketone or chloride raining down from the sky.

Can't happen too soon for me...
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From: cdelaney@mta.ca
Subject: Rob Morrow-political
Reply-To: cdelaney@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:12:26 GMT

To the person who asked the question about Rob Morrow's political 
persuasion-if it is any help to you, I read in People Magazine that
he owns a t-shirt claiming his strong dislike for George Bush.
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From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Re: Does Mike lead the safe life?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:44 MST  

In article <93028.154459JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
{In article <hmeloab-220193103007@129.59.101.119>, hmeloab@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
{(Anthony B. Hmelo) says:
{>
{>Did anyone notice that after Mike finished describing for Maggie the
{>absolutely safe life he leads, and how nothing can ever happen to him, he
{>left her place WITHOUT his jacket?  Will he catch pneumonia?
{ 
{From the moment that he finished explaining why it was all coincidence, I
{turned to my wife and said, "He's a dead man."
{ 
Personally, I think the irony will be when Mike either dies or
mysteriously disapears and all Maggie has done is kiss him, 
and Joel will be around to pick up the pieces and he's the
one who is actually, physically involved with her. Just a
thought.

Maybe Mike will vanish into Antartica when Maggie breaks
his heart--I don't like to see the guy in pain, but I don't
think his life span will be long, at least in Cicely :) 

H