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From: veatch@cs.toronto.edu ("Timothy R. Veatch")
Subject: Sun Ra's Space Chants
Reply-To: veatch@cs.toronto.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:31:58 GMT

I'm interested in adding a 3rd CD to my collection of Sun Ra CDs.
I wanted to get one which featured some of the space chants.
Specifically,

   s - Space is the place
   r - Rocket Number 9
   w - We travel the spaceways

I checked the sun ra discography and the following have versions
of the 3 tunes above.

 rw 9.   We Travel the Spaceways
 rw 11.  Interstellar Low Ways
 rw 19.  When Sun Comes Out
 rw 24.  Featuring Pharoah Sanders and Black Harold
s   47.  Horizon (Starwatchers)
sr  53.  Space is the Place
s   58.  The Antique Blacks (Interplanetary Concepts) (Change in the Air)
  w 63.  Live at Montreux
s   73.  Disco 3000
s   77.  The Other Side of the Sun
 r  88.  Beyond the Purple Star Zone (Immortal Being)
s   98.  Love in Outer Space: Live in Utrecht
s w 99.  Live at PraxisU84 Vol. 1
srw 107. A Night In East Berlin
s w 117. Live in London 1990 (His Year 2000 Myth Science Arkestra)
 r  S8.  Sun Ra and his Outer Space Arkestra
 r  S13. Yochannan with Sun Ra and his Arkestra
^^^
 |____ indicates the tunes which are included on the disc

So, my question is: which disc should I get?
99, 107 and 117 sound tempting, but do you suggest getting a live disc?
Plus, 77 and 98 seem to have 10 and 20 minute versions of "Space is...".
I guess I should exclude 73 right off, right? :)

Most importantly, besides getting these 3 (or less) cuts, I would like for the
other pieces to be interesting.
Any suggestions then?

Another thing... Where can I purchase Sun Ra's stuff?  The CD shops around
Toronto have a bunch, but for $30 - $50 Canadian.
I noticed I can get them mail order from CDs Wee Bee for about $13.50 each.
These include:

   4. Super Sonic Jazz (retitled Super Sonic Sounds on Impulse only)
   6. Jazz in Silhouett
   7. Sound Sun Pleasure!
   13. Holiday for Soul Dance
   30 or 31. Monorails and Satellites Vol ??
   40. Out There a Minute
   89. Strange Celestial Road
   S16, S17 or S18. Live at Pit Inn Tokyo Vol ??

Is there another place that has them mail order?

Thanx in advance for your time.

-- 
                                             Tim
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Southend Musicworks (Chicago) Sept/Oct 
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:46:27 GMT

At the Southend Musicworks this fall:

Sept 25 & 26:  Tim Berne, Hamid Drake, and Herb Rbertson
Oct 1:  Glen Velez, Hamid Drake, and Michael Zerang
Oct 2:  Rova Sax Quatet
Oct 3:  8 Bold Souls
Oct 7:  LJCO: Subsets and intrasections

LJCO is the London Jazz Composers Orchestra.  They will be performing as
a whole at Northwestern University on October 8, but this night will
feature, as the title indicates, Subsets and smaller groups within the
orchestra.  The LJCO consists of Henry Lowther, Jon Corbett, Noelle
Langley, Paul Rutherford, Radu Malfatti, Alan Tomlinson, Steve Wick,
Trevor Watts, Evan Parker, Pete McPhail, Simon Picard, Paul Dunmall,
Phil Wachsmann, Howard Riley, Barre Phillops, and Paul Lytton.


Jeff
From: hisashi@neclpd.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Hisashi Naganuma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: test
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:18:18 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Inc.,  San Jose, CA., USA

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From: mossingh@lab5.ma.utexas.edu (Mike Mossinghoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ufo Tofu -- Bela Fleck & The Flecktones
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:35:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

grumpy@jpradley.jpr.com (Jeff Markel) writes:

>The only tune that doesn't really work is
>"The Yee-Haw Factor", which is presented as a tribute to New Grass Revival but
>comes off as a bit too much of a mishmash.

In defense of the Yee-Haw Factor, I must point out that it is an audience-
participation tune.  When I saw the Flecktones last year Bela explained 
the title.  It seems that back in the New Grass Days, when he was playing
the bluegrass circuit, as the bus pulled into a field for a concert out in the
sticks, Sam Bush would turn to the band members and say "This place has a
yee-haw factor of 7" or some such.

During the Y-HF tune, the audience is supposed to yell "Yee-Haw!!" on cue
(right when the tempo slows drastically).  Bela seemed to get a kick out of it.

Maybe you had to be there.

>The playing on this disc is phenomenal - the combination of Bela's banjos and
>Vic Wooten's basses is awe-inspiring - it makes my fingers cramp up just
>listening :-).
>                        Jeff Markel


I agree.  I love this CD.

 -- Mike
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From: jayh@alliance.uucp (Jay Hill - managed by Frank B.)
Subject: Where is church of John Coltrane
Organization: Alliance Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:47:19 GMT

Can ya'll tell me where in San Fransisco the John
Coltrane church is?

Thanks, Jay Hill

..uunet!alliance!jayh
From: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: cecil on fmp
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:22:24 EST
Reply-To: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

In article <1992Sep09.193129.6572@bnr.ca> John Thomas writes:

>Is there a 12-cd box set including all the cds that have
>been released separately documenting Cecil's stay
>in Berlin in '88?  On FMP, of course.  Someone has
>told me there is and that there is an an extra cd that
>wasn't released individually.

There was such a box.  It's 11 CDs.  Cadence no longer has it but FMP
might.  It was supposed to be limited to 1000 sets.

The extra CD is a student orchestra, as another respondent said, and was
supposed to be available only in the box.  However, FMP has since made
it available seperately.  That means you can get all the music
disk-by-disk, though not the extra documentation the box contained.

Note also that there was a 2-CD set released seperately that was NOT in
the box.  That's _In East Berlin_, one disk of which is solo and the
other a duet with CT and Gunter Sommer.  This was recorded early in
Taylor's stay in Berlin, when he and Sommer crossed the Wall to give a
performance.  It's FMP CD 13/14.

Dale Smoak
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From: fenske@iftccu.boeing.com (Brian Fenske)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Who has (have) recorded these songs? (easy one)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:20:17 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group

Willie Nelson's "Stardust" album has Someone to Watch Over Me.  Even
jazz-only music lovers should have a copy of this one.
From: mcnamara@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Songs about aging
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:50:46 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.


	I'm going to make a tape for a friend who is turning forty, and
would like your suggestions.  The songs (mostly vocal, I suspect) can
be positive or negative.  An example:  _Fat and Forty_ by Joe Williams.

					Curt

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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Sunny Murray's first album / Amiri Baraka
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:49:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:
>While we're talking about Baraka, does anyone else believe like
>me that the man has nothing to say, has had nothing to say for some
>20 years, and says that nothing badly.

I don't really agree - although, he certainly has become more of a
caricature of himself, so maybe your 20 years is an accurate figure.
I like _Blues People_ and recommend it to others, but tell them to 
make up their own minds (which they should do anyway, right?)
I've never read the later book, _Black Music_.  It's quite possible
that there are better books on the subjects (maybe Albert Murray's
_Stomping the Blues_ for early jazz music; for the new jazz,
Spellman's _Four Lives in the Bebop Business_ and Valerie Wilmer's
books are more sensitive to the musicians and less dogmatic.)

Still, _Blues People_ has a lot of eye-openers - at least they're
eye-openers to white people, and young people, and it's written well.
Later, it seems to me, Baraka slips into bad-ass rebellion and
blacker-than-thou rhetoric, and now he reminds me too much of
Alan Dershowitz.

Ben Weiner
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From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Ufo Tofu -- Bela Fleck & The Flecktones
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:57:15 GMT

mossingh@lab5.ma.utexas.edu (Mike Mossinghoff) writes:
>In defense of the Yee-Haw Factor, I must point out that it is an audience-
>participation tune....

>During the Y-HF tune, the audience is supposed to yell "Yee-Haw!!" on cue
>(right when the tempo slows drastically).  Bela seemed to get a kick out of it.
>
>Maybe you had to be there.

I think they did this on Austin City Limits awhile back.  Was that the
show you were at?  The audience did a decent job of their "yee-haw".
Anyways, I liked that song -- I don't know why anyone would poo-poo it.
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From: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: rufus "speedy" jones
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:22:24 EST
Reply-To: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

If anyone knows the whereabouts of former Ellington and Basie drummer
Rufus "Speedy" Jones, please e-mail me.  Thank you.

Dale Smoak
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From: elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott New)
Subject: Birmingham, AL - Jazz & Blues Festival
Originator: elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:58:43 GMT


Birmingham, Alabama is having a Jazz, Blues, and Gospel Festival
called - "THE BIRMINGHAM JAM."  It will be this weekend (sorry
for the short notice) Friday, Sept. 18 thru Sunday, Sept. 20th.
THREE DAYS, THREE STAGES.  Three-day passes are only $11!
Some of the bands playing include:

Friday Night
============
Lil' Ed & The Blues Imperials
John Mayall and the Blues Breakers
Roomful of Blues

Saturday
========
Chicago Charlie & the Business Men
Mike Griffen & the Unknown Blues Band
Elliott & the Untouchables
Marcus Roberts
Magic Slim & the Teardrops
Pinetop Perkins
Dr. John
Terence Blanchard
Gatemouth Brown

Sunday
======
Danny Gatton
Anson Funderburgh & the Rockets featuring Sam Meyers
Tinsley Ellis
The World Famous Count Basie Orchestra (conducted by Frank Foster)


That's only a partial listing.  Call 1-800-277-1700 for more info.
Gates open: Friday - 6pm, Saturday - 11am, Sunday - 12 noon


Sounds like a big time!
Elliott New
From: mchenry@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:40:49 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <BuF8qI.Arx@cs.dal.ca>, goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick) writes:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A couple years ago I picked up one of Ornette Coleman's "earlier"
> albums Called "Something Else!" and it blew me away!  I then bought
> "Free Jazz" - another great album, IMHO.  But then recently I went
> out and bought the album he did a few years ago with Pat Metheney
> "Song X" - a lot of people told me that this is a great album, but
> I just can't get into most of it.  Just the other day I tried listening
> to it again, with the same result.
> 
I think Song X is a poor reflection of the collaboration between metheny 
and Coleman. I heard them in concert in Washington DC and it was one of the 
finest concerts I have ever heard. Ornette never sounded better. If anyone 
has any boots of that tour, I would be quite interested.

Bill McHenry                   |Those who do not hear the past works
mchenry@guvax (bitnet)         |are condemned to recompose them....
mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu   |                 -me
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Geri Allen and Abbey Lincoln
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:11:35 GMT

I was watching the movie Drugstore Cowboy and liked the theme song which
was a version of FOR ALL WE KNOW by Abbey Lincoln, with Geri Allen
comping.   Is this out on an album by either Geri or Abbey?
I looked through all the CDs by both and coulding find it, and I don't
want to buy the soundtrack album.  Does anyone know which album this is
on?

Jeff
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From: glazer@spot.Colorado.EDU (GLAZER STACEY ANN)
Subject: Re: Cecil on FMP (for James Barnett)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:27:00 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep9181454@pilsner.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.202311.3307@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>
>   >How is the Cecil/Parker/Hosinger (sp?) trio cd also?
>
>   This is part of the Berlin set. It's the first one I picked up (I've also
>   heard the awesome European Orchestra 2-CD date, the duet with Derek Bailey,
>   and the solo). I'd put it in my top 8 or so Cecil recordings. It doesn't
>   all work, but there's a lot of tasty interplay and just generally hot
>   playing from all 3 musicians. Highly recommended.
>
>
>Hmm, I was a bit disappointed with this one, although I'm a big fan of
>all three musicians, especially in small group settings like this.
>Somehow, this particular set just didn't work for me: too random and
>chaotic, although there are certainly some great moments. I like the
>Cecil/Bennink duet much more than this; and the Cecil/Derek Bailey
>duet somewhat more. Both seemed better focused and more...interactive.
>
I've got the Oxley/Taylor of which I'm very impressed and also Taylor's
quintet "Looking (Berling version) Corona".  The density of the quintet
recording (bass, violin, cello, drums, and piano) is almost too intense
for me but the violinist continually impresses me with his statements.
Unfortunately, I can't here the cello too well. 

James Barnett

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From: grumpy@jpradley.jpr.com (Jeff Markel)
Subject: Re: Flecktones (Was SRV fans)
Reply-To: grumpy@jpradley.UUCP (Jeff Markel)
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 12:17:24 GMT

In article <31AUG199215271090@apsicc.aps.edu> einhorn_d@apsicc.aps.edu (E. Drew Einhorn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.184157.28974@math.utexas.edu>, 
>   mossingh@henri.ma.utexas.edu (Mike Mossinghoff):
>
>>Flecktone music is notoriously hard to categorize, but I'd call it jazz
>>(admittedly a very general category); beyond that they're in a category
>>of their own.
>> 
>>You can also find Bela Fleck on the New Grass Revival records.  They're
>>disbanded now, but they have a fun sound -- kind of like Earl Scruggs
>>meets Aretha Franklin in church.
>> 
>
>I too would call it jazz.  But because Bela Fleck used to play bluegrass
>you may have to look in the Bluegrass section of your friendly local
>braindead record/CD/music store. 
>

In the last two weeks I've found Flecktones CDs in the Popular, Rock, Jazz,
Country, and New Age(ack, gack, wretch) sections of various The Wiz stores
in NYC.  At Tower Records there was a Flecktones section in the Jazz racks,
but the discs themselves were in the Country section.  In one Wiz store I
even found some old Bela Fleck solo 'bluegrass' discs (the ones on Rounder)
in the Jazz section.  Go figure...

BTW, anyone know where I could find a copy of 
"The Telluride Sessions" by Strength in Numbers.  This was a pickup group
consisting of Bela Fleck, Jerry Douglas, Mark O'Connor et al at the 1990
Telluride Bluegrass Festival.

                        Jeff Markel

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From: rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland)
Subject: What's the Hype on the 92 Long Beach Blues Festival?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:40:41 GMT

? 

rf
--

Gobern de shark!
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Abdullah Ibrahim
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:29:16 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I don't know if I can give a rundown of his albums, but my favorite
albums of his are:

Mindif:  the soundtrack to Chocalat, it has Craig Handy, Benny Powell,
Ricky Ford, David Williams, and Billy Higgins.  As is usually the case,
the writing contains compositions in both a jazz and traditional African
vein, but on here I think the tunes are especially beautiful, and it is
great to see some of these "young lions" play something that isn't
die-hard straight ahead.   Higgins of course will swing anybody's book.

The Pilgrim:  mostly solo piano or duets with Johnny Dyani, was
previously under the titles Good News From Africa and Echoes Of Africa.

The Journey:  with Don Cherry, Hamiet Blueiett, Carlos Ward, John
Betsch, Roy Brooks, Talib Rhynie, Johnny Dyani, this is a "blowing date"
on African grooves.    Everyone lines up for solos, and plays their ass
off.

Tears and Laughter:  Another recording with John Betsch on drums that
for me is particular effective.

Archie Shepp-Dollar Brand:  Duet:  Very intimate playing by both, I
think it is one of Archie's better efforts, I always liked his soprano
sound.  They keep the tunes conscise, so Archie doesn't ramble.  Ibrahim's
left hand is pointed, and the contrast with Archie's loose phrasing is
very interesting.

I have some others, but these have made the most lasting impression on
me.  One album that I haven't heard which I would like to is the duets
with Max Roach.  This was during the time when Max played some duets
with Cecil Taylor, Anthony Braxton, and Archie Shepp.  I have heard all
them except this.  ( Later, it is Max and Diz.  I have heard that also)

Jeff
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From: rpuranik@sei.cmu.edu (Rajesh Puranik)
Subject: Chicago Jazz Festival
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:56:11 GMT

As my family was eating dinner last Sunday, I heard a broadcast of the Chicago
Jazz Festival on the radio.  The impressive opening set featured a woman
singer who also might have been the pianist.  Since my young nephew and niece
were being unusually boisterous, I missed the name (something like Patricia?).

Any info is appreciated.

Rajesh
Rajesh Puranik
Software Engineering Institute
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From: acp@owlnet.rice.edu (Adrian C Penisson)
Subject: Brass Bands and Leno
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:59:47 GMT

	The Dirty Dozen is scheduled to be on Jay Leno tonight.  Hopefully
they'll keep to their "standard" two drummer line-up and not use a trap
drummer.  Don't expect to see Kirk Joseph (the Dozen's sousa player for over
ten years who appears on all the DDBB's recordings) because he left the band
early this year and was replaced by Keith Anderson (former first trombone for
Rebirth).  Last time I got to go home to Louisiana, I read that Joseph is now
leading a trio in N.O.  Has anyone seen these guys? 
	In other brass band news, The Rebirth Brass Band has a new Rounder CD
out entitled "Take It To The Street."  It's certainly their strongest effort
yet.  Higlights include covers of Herbie Hancocks "Chameleon" and Steel
Pulse's "Steppin Out."  The best piece is a New Orleans funk entitled "Same
Thing On."  These guys have definitely improved a big-ol'-bunch (listen to
the Mardi Gras Records release entitled "Rebirth Jazz Band" [I think their
first recording] and you'll see what I mean -- their cover of Miles Davis's "So
What" is simply hilarious).  There's a good bit more improvising on this album
than in previous efforts, but it's still mostly "pre-arranged."  

-- 
Adrian C. Penisson
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: upcoming jazz releases
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:36:05 GMT

Sept 11

Toshiko Akiyoshi ( Remembering Bud)

Sept 15

Miles Davis ( Miles In The Sky )
Dorothy Donegan ( with Dizzy)
Hebie Hancock (Headhunter)
Earl Hines (Reunion in Boston)
John McLaughlin (Electric Dreams)
Red Rodney ( Then and Now )
Billy Strayhorn (Lush Life)
Mal Waldron ( Super Quartet )
Weather Report ( Weather Report ) !!!
Tony Williams ( Lifetime ) 

Sept 22

Dizzy Gillespie ( Verve and Mercury years)
Keith Jarrett (Vienne Concert)
J.J. Johnson (Vivian)