HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Saddlebags
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:03:00 GMT
Reply-To: ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

CJ>}The tank bag is a great idea for your trip.  I just looked at the prices in
CJ>}a BMW dealership.  Expect to pay between $230.00 - $285.00 if you buy it
CJ>}at your dealer.

CJ>And $100 of that is for the little BMW logo.

CJ>And here I was deluded into believing that BMW riders weren't the
CJ>yuppie poser shallow materialistic jerks that BMW cage drivers are!

CJ>Buy a top-of-the-line Eclipse tank bag and glue the @$^@#*^ TLA sticker
CJ>on it!

CJ>I recently bought a Chase-Harper tank bag w/removable map pocket from
CJ>Road Rider here in San Jose and have been very impressed with it.
CJ>The first day I had it it was rainy, so I deliberately took the map
CJ>pocket off and let it sit out in the rain for a few hours. The inside
CJ>of the tank bag remained *completely* dry, even though it was not
CJ>advertised as being waterproof or even resistant. It is also incredibly
CJ>easy to get into, even when wearing gloves. Two thumbs up!

I bought my saddlebags at the local army surplus store. cost CDN$40 for
the pair. The bags are East German military surplus backpacks, and with
a minimum of modifications to the backpack webbing of one, I had a
perfect set. These bags have a vinyl linining that extends well beyond
the top of the bag for maximum waterproofing. These bags are so
waterproof that I have thrown ice and canned drinks _into_ them with no
leakage. The bags' only disadvantage are their smallish size.
   
 * SLMR 2.0 * It's not what you ride, it's that you ride.
                                               
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: really, really waterproof gloves?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:13:16 GMT

cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.155050.29623@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>>Was anyone here silly enough, like me, to buy racing-style gloves in nifty
>>colours? Does the dye eventually stop bleeding all over your hands (either
>>when you sweat or in the rain)? Is there anything that one can do to 
>>prevent this, aside from wearing a liner or buying new gloves?

>I got a pair of red Lochhart Privateers (what a stupid name) last summer.
>Since the backs of the hands don't really get pressed against the leather,
>only the palms were red for weeks.  Oh, the ribbing I took about 'Rosy Palmer'
>Syndrome.

Hmm, maybe there's a reason that Z Custom's "Deer Traks" are available
only in white. :-) Though you can get your choice of colors on the
gauntlet. Regardless of the color, they're the best pair of gloves I've
owned.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Whole lotta shakin' ...
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:50:15 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <arturo.728013241@infmx>, arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
wrote:
> 
> [description of wobble in curve/rain grooves omitted]

> 2. What might be the possible causes? Is it possible that asymmetrical
>    fluid levels in the fork tubes could lead to this behavior? 

I doubt it, but that's a good question.  A recent article on a hot BMW
boxer has a mention of the expert intentionally putting different weights
of oil in each tube in order to tune the rebound and dampening!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: lane splitting/sharing poll
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:40:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.132234.20235@bnr.uk> npet@bnr.ca (Neil Harrington) writes:
}Cor!  What a WIMP!

I'll bet you wouldn't say that if I was standing in front of you
wearing the Lone Bra of the Apocalypse.

"What's wrong, Nick? You look all sick-like, like you've been
 visited by Lord Spagthorpe's ghost himself."

"Nah, it was just that butt-ugly bearded Yank with the bra."
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Not the Nashville Flash anymore
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:11:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174032.28139@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

|> >Moving to where the Sun actually shines and the roads look like a can full
|> >of worms is a dream come true... and they're gonna PAY me, too.  The status
|> >symbol for the nineties... a JOB.
|> 
|> 	Tell me about it.  I gave up curvy roads and hills for a JOB.  Maybe
|> next JOB will be an improvement.

Rght, I gave up SLEEP for a job!

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Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Curt, the Graveyard biker..... M'God.
From: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: All-wheel drive???
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:37:55 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Originator: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU

I was talking to a friend the other day, and he told me about a motorcycle
show he went to a while back.

He claims he saw an old Spagthorpe prototype that had a driven front wheel.
It was a water-cooled bike, but instead of a radiator, it had sort of a
boiler affair.  They ran steam lines down the front forks to a steam 
turbine in the front hub (the hub apparently looked sort of like a 
front drum brake type deal).  The clever part was the centrifugal vane
advance on the turbine which would adjust the vanes for maximum torque
when stopped, and maximum power at speed.

I was sort of skeptical, but he explained the reasoning behind it:  an
internal combustion engine is only about 70% efficient, with the rest
being lost to heat.  If you only get 50% efficiency out of the steam 
turbine, that's still 15% power that would otherwise blow away in the 
wind.  15% power to the front wheel may not sound like much, but 
proportionally, it's similar to the amount of efficiency you get out of
a rear brake.  So, when you look at it that way it doesn't seem so 
unreasonable.

The goal behind the driven front wheel design was similar to that of 
4-wheel drive cars--increased cornering stability, and better control
on surfaces with poor traction.  

I was concerned about the effect of the additional unsprung weight in 
the front wheel, but my friend just said, "Hey, it's a Spagthorpe."
Good point.  Apparently these bikes were never made in quantity, because
the cost of British union steamfitters would have made production bikes
prohibitively expensive.

My friend said he had some pictures he could show me, but he just moved
and hasn't unpacked them yet.  I was just wondering if anyone else has
seen or heard about this bike.  The idea sounds sort of interesting; I'm
just wondering how practical it would be.  I mean, it sounds like some
of the things Honda has come up with.



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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Comments on Hein Gerricke Calif. II?
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 03:07:52 GMT

J. Lauren Forestell writes
> 
> I am looking for a 3 season jacket and am considering a California II 
> jacket. Any comments? Notice excessive air leakage through the zippers 
> on cold days?

I was looking at it, too, but found with a test ride that it rode up severly  
enough to give me plumber's butt.  Try the Bates All-Weather.  I use it all the  
time -- winter and summer (winter w/ raingear) every day.  It's got two  
generous vents front and rear for flow-through, and a totally cool alternative  
front flap that snaps so that you can ride with the main zipper partially down  
(no, not that zipper!).  MAJOR  ventilation in the summer if you need it, and  
it's cut with a long tail in the back to prevent you-know-what butt.  A little  
extra cash will give you custom colors, custom sizing, and a zipper to zip  
pants into it.  Such a deal.

I understand the Marsee Balistic is also something to check out.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Spagthorpe Outed!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:57:25 GMT

Ok, so I'm browsing through the new "Cycle World" and what do I see
but a letter to the editor which mentions the Spagthorpe-Peerless.
Shocked and amazed, I check the author's name, reach for The List
and find:

0614:Tom Maloney:RI:tjm@math.ams.org

I'm not quite sure what all this means, but there must be some far-
reaching implications of some sort. Will "Spagthorpe" come to be a
derisive term for collectors of feeble old bikes? Will future
generations of Denizens debate the origin of the term? Will CW claim
credit for it? Will the true and noble meaning of the word be forever
lost? Is there any suitable punishment for this breach of security?

You realize of course Tom, that your royalties from CW must be split
90/10 with Martyn.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine.
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:01:39 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Roger Collier (rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com) wrote:

: In article 5752@hasler.ascom.ch,  kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
: >
: >
: >And what is it for Londoners around the M25 ?? :-). I seem to remember 
: >that there used to be a race around it every year (ala Cannonball), an
: >XJS held the record at that time (as in the real Cannonball).
: >

: From soc.culture.british:
: >The M25 is about 134 miles all the way round!
: >
: >A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
: >have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
: >in an hour or less.
: >
: >-- 
: >      Geoff Landergan                         geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
: >      Mitcham, Surrey, UK
: >      +44 81 646 2605

: Believe it or not!

: Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM

I'm not sure I believe this.  I don't think any car could get around the M25
in less than an hour, any more.  The traffic density is appalling at any time.
There is also the matter of the indiscriminate GATSO cameras to take into
consideration.  The stupid speeding Plod would pass his training but would 
lose his license too.  Any Plod that loses his license suffers dire 
consequences from his superiors.


Nick (the CyNickal Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford  six-points.


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Now here's a dumb question!
Organization: Starved Photo-Linux Hackers Association
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:39:30 GMT

I have a Vision manual here in front of me.  The drain screws look like 
are a bitch to get to.  There is two of them on the underside of
carb assembly.  They are close to the exhaust manifold side of the carbs,
and are philips head.

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From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Wa
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:14:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: unet.1993Jan25.211448.7516
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <581.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
**deleted***
*>I am, by gender, excluded from any PMS-related competitions. I do
>however have a strong contender for rattiest of the ratbikes.
>
>At age 19, I have a second-generation rat. In fact, this 1958 AJS 500
>C/S was a piece of crap in the early 60s when my dad bought it. It still
>is. it has needed a paint job since the early sixties, right after my
>dad finished painting it. It has a battery cover made out of plywood, a
>seat brace made out of wood, no working gauges, although there is a
>nonfunctional voltmeter in the headlight case. The transmission has
>always been a dry-clutch, despite what the designers specified, thanks
>to leakage. ditto for the primary chain case, although there's grease in
>there to keep things hunky-dory. The magneto -- all 10,000 windings
>of it -- was wound on the kitchen table. The bike ran better with the
>new mag than it ever did with the old. The last time I kicked the bike
>to life, it took 20 minutes. I partly blame poor application of the
>handlebar-mounted igniton advance control. The kickstarting mechanism
>required new parts when I was done (I'm not joking! unlike previous
>macho fantasies, this really happened. rjc). The forks are bent. The
***deleted***

In the early sixites, my brother had two Matchlesses and an AJS.  The
only
bikes in my memory that literally took more hours of maintenance than
riding.  the two Matchless bikes were obtained for ++FREE++ because
no one could start them.  The problem was their "energy transfer
ignition"
didn't ignite.  Finally had to resort to an OSCILLOSCOPE to time them!
Kick starting rarely worked--and only with new plugs.  Run and bump
could be done if the phase of the moon (and phase of the energy
transfer) were right.  Probably the most terrible ignition system
since the hot-tube.  Hum-m-m maybe even worse than that!  On a related
topic, my YDS-2 of the time had an "emergency" switch position that
by-passed the battery and dumped the DC generator (with a capacitor)
directly to the coils.  Not kick startable, but it would run and
bump, then get you home.

Rich Tweedie
From: mattho@heifer.lbl.gov (Matt Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: LOOK OUT BERKELEY RESIDENT
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:47:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.28657
Reply-To: mattho@heifer.lbl.gov (Matt Ho)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.96

My motorcycle was stolen from my garage yesterday between 2pm and 7pm. It
was a 90 CBR600 with a U-Lock on the back wheel. The thieves dragged my
bike out to the open then loaded it into a truck and hauled it away. My 
meighbor then told me that it was the 3rd bike stolen from the milvia/delaware
area. This could be the work of one group so beware. Lock your motorcycle to
something if you can. BTW, if anyone see a white/grey CBR600 with widened tires
and chrome arms with lic# 13A5909, let me know or inforn the police for me.
Thank you and look out for your own bike.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Re; Nat'l Health Plan (Was: Re: Lance
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1k18h1INN5v5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu () writes:
>
>Since when, in this supposedly free country, don't doctors have a right
>to 6 digit incomes?  [...]
>Or should the salaries be
>dictated by what the market will bear?  Personally, I believe that the
>forces of the market should dictate salaries. 

We are in violent agreement!  :^)

The problem is that today, free market forces do NOT dictate those
salaries.  Health care consumers do not directly pay for the
product/service they are purchasing, and the closed loop control of
free market forces goes out the window.  People (more likely, their
employers) pay insurance premiums, then the insurance companies pay for
their health care.  There is less than no incentive for consumers to
shop for cost-effective health care.

Any doctor, engineer, or motorcycle mechanic who can earn a 6 figure
income, in a true free market, is absolutely entitled to it.

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: single vs. dual disk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:12:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1993Jan21.044323.2907@pages.com>

>BTW, would a single disk with two sets of two-pot calipers stop as well as
>conventional dual disks with one set per disk?  Phyzziks, please.

Basic phyzziks, (aren't phyzziks those pills you used to able to buy to 
drop in water and make it bubble?), vehicle at speed equals kinetic
energy, brakes convert that energy to heat.  All things being equal, that's
all it takes.  There are almost an infinite number of variables that crop
up.  Stainless steel doesn't handle heat as well as cast iron but doesn't
rust.  Japanese bikes with stainless rotors benefit from duals because it
distributes heat over a wider surface.  Its also easier to fit a master 
cylinder that feels comfortable to the hand to modulate.  The brake pad
materials, rotor materials, air flow, these all impact the design of the 
system.  Like the manufacturer that sent the letter to Motorcyclist saying
their test of Kevin Swantz's GP bike versus a Honda, was unfair to them, 
the maker of the carbon fiber disk.  The magazine had mentioned that the
Suzuki's brakes were very weak in comparison to the Honda. Seems as though 
Kevin's bike has a bigger rotor is bigger and it is unshrouded because he 
uses them harder.  The carbons disks and pads only work over a narrow 
temperature range and Kevin is the only rider in the world that gets his 
brakes hot enough to work with those particular rotors.  The letter explained 
that if the magazine had used their rotors as specificed on one of the other 
rider's machines, they would have worked much better.
  All this aside, generally speaking, todays big bikes work better with
duals.  The new Yamaha RAAD bike will use a single because where would a
second one go.  The designers are going to make the brakes work under 
whatever constraints the bike is going to through at them.  If one solution
is easier and fits, why not use it?  That alone will probably make it work
a little better.  Then again, the differences probably only show up on the
track.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: 'tis the season to work on the bike
Organization: Starved Photo-Linux Hackers Association
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:03:46 GMT

In article <1jk46rINN1a6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> akhamseh@engin.umich.edu (Amir Reza Khamseh) writes:


 >>   to buy a K&N filter and rejet kit (Stage I).  Has anyone had any experience
 >>   (good or bad) with that package on that bike?  My buddy has the same bike
 >>   (well, almost the same, his is the '87 FII) with a Kerker 4-2 and K&N Stage I
 
 >>   Amir Khamseh
 >>   Uh, is this the place and time to request for the DoD #?
 >>   Sorry, I have not graduated to a level to have a .sig file.

The carbs on the Honda V-4's are a bitch to get in and out.
I have jetted a few bikes, but have never tried to jet a Honda
V-4.  The reason being that they are difficult to get in and out.
Before you try to jet it, just try and remove the carbs and put
them back in.  If you can do it with easily, then go and jet it.
Remember when jetting a bike, you may have to, (probably will), 
remove the carbs many times until you get the jetting right.
You have one advantage over inline 4's that I can think of, and
that is your air mixture adjustment is easy to get to while the
tank is on the bike.  This cuts down on tank removal to do air
adjustments.  

Yes, the jetting should increase your mid-range quite a bit.
If done correctly, you will definetely notice the difference.
If done incorrectly you can have problems with hard starts,
fouled plugs, stalling and bad acceleration.

Good Luck 
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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:25:42 GMT

In article <24707@alice.att.com> anand@alice.UUCP () writes:
>In article <C1EK5D.1IJ@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>> You're the testbed for rampant stupidity.
>>
>>The test are going well.
>	And you're the production version?  
>
>	More seriously, how about if we relegate this, and future statements
>such as "pompous Brit", "obnoxious Frenchman", "Wile. E. Coyote" to
>the "all generalizations are false" wastebin, where it belongs.  
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Uh, so, uh, where do we put this one?

Philosophically,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: 2-Cylinder Honda 500?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:07:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.092113.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>Quick Question.
>
>In 1978 or so, was there a 2-cylinder Honda 500 or 550 (or something close?)
>

Yup, 500 twin.

>If so, what was it, and were they anything interesting?
>

Nothing special to look at. Looked like a bored 450. Never saw many, and the
owners didn't seem too impressed. An altogether forgettable bike.

Jeff Achenbach