HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Subject: Re: Leary : : RECENT SIGHTING
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:40:07 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.224253.7284@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
|lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
|>If anyone listening out there does know his e-mail could you forward this
|>request to him:  Have him drop me a line, I'm part of a student group
|>that would sponsor him for a talk. 
|I'm pretty sure that Leary is not on the WELL. I was there for a long time
|and never saw a single post by Leary. Lots of posts about him though. Why
|don't you try leary@well.sf.ca.us though. Couldn't hurt. The well won't
|let you finger it. Respects user privacy and all.

Try "timleary@well.sf.ca.us".  

Non-bizarre followups to alt.drugs, please.

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From: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Reply-To: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.165938.11728@uvm.edu> cavrak@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Steve Cavrak) writes:
>From article <1992Dec13.122254.25969@news.columbia.edu>, by
>dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina):
>
>	Tim "neuron-deficient" Leary
>
>A year or so, Tim Leary and some born-again, Watergate
>personality (Colson?) presented a "forum" at the University
>(UVM = Universitatis Vertis Montis).  He was no more "neuron-
>deficient" than anyone else I've ever met, and was certainly
>more coherent than his debating opponent.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>By the way, what is the name of Leary's Software company?
>Does it have an address? An internet connection?
>
>Steve




Steve, it was more of a play off of his penchant for psychoactive
drugs--he very well might still have a brain.  The Watergate guy is G.
Gordon Liddy, and the story is this: every year he and Leary travel to
a college campus and debate each other on whatever the audience is
interested in.  This year's was at Northwestern or Loyola in Chicago.
Two of my friends went, and were somewhat disappointed with Tim, but
in any case...they've been doing this for about a decade, and I find
the juxtaposition of these guys rather humorous.  Now, if only we
could get David Lynch and Curtis Sliwa together.
David
dnm9@columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: Barbara Thiering
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:45:24 GMT

In article <Mf9WWTe00WBKE2hHVW@andrew.cmu.edu> "Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>There was a book written in the early 1970's called "The sacred Mushroom
>and the Cross" dealing with jesus being a psuedonim for a mushroom.  I
>can't remember who the author was at the moment but I highly reccomend
>it to anyone who is interested in this stuff.  

John Allegro. Haven't read it yet, but you're not the first person I've
heard who has recommended it highly, so I'm certainly going to read it at
some point. --Erik

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From: whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Richard Whitmeyer)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Originator: whitmeye@surf
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, VAFB
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:01:29 GMT


In article <1gep30INN54c@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent Burton) writes:
|> 
|> OK, I have to ask.
|> 
 
|> What all has Charles manson tried to do? Is he still alive? 
|> If he is, what is he doing?
 
|> -- 
|> +-------------------------+
|> | Brent Burton    N5VMG   |    
|> | bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu |  
|> +-------------------------+ 

Charlie? That jerk is the flaw in my view to abolish capital punishment.
Can't see any reason not to search for the lethal dose of LSD using that
fucker.

He tried too much.
He is still alive.
He is doing multiple life sentences for murder.

Brent, go to the library, use the books found there.

Rich Whitmeyer
 
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Leary ::RECENT SIGHTING
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:37:30 GMT

dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:

>Tim "neuron-deficient" Leary was recently hired by a student group here at
>Columbia.  The idea is that you decorate the student center with trip
>toys (a room covered in tin foil, laser lights, etc.), play
>exceedingly loud music, and charge people who are baked or tripping to
>come, dance, and stare at each other.  Anyway, Tim Leary read some of
>his poetry at the event for, I guess, added weirdness. Plus, he did go
>to Columbia; I live in the same dorm he and Kerouac used to.
>David
>dnm9@columbia.edu

Be careful what you call wierdness. Its just the normal everyday absurdity
that you *haven't* been conditioned to think of as not wierd.


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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:41:41 GMT

In article <tjrdnt8@zola.esd.sgi.com>, cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
>
>In article <1gep30INN54c@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu writes:
>|Who is Tim Leary?  
>
>Timothy Leary's dead.
..
>since no one else said it

Yeah C.J., we old farts have all heard the tune.  But you forgot the smiley
for all the young ravers out there.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: theron@reed.edu (Scott Buckley)
Subject: Re: Psilocybe side effects
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:17:01 GMT

In article <Bz265u.p0@csn.org> richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin) writes:

>I have a question I hope someone here can answer-

>A couple of times that I have eaten Psilocybe mushroomss I have noticed 
>that when I stand up suddenly or have been standing for awhile, I get
>EXTREMELY light-headed, and my vision clouds up, and I have actually
>fallen down fainting. But most of the time this doesn't  happen. Could
>it be a combination with alcahol orr THC???? Has anyone else noticed this 
>or have any input???

About the combination with alcohol: certain species of
mushrooms, including genus Psilocybe, contain unpredictable
levels of disulfram, a.k.a. "Antabuse."  This drug is certainly
famous for the fact that it interacts strongly with alcohol:
the usual symptoms are a flushed (red) face, headache, sweating
and (often, but not always) nausea and vomiting (in some cases
accompanied by unexplained feelings of impending doom).  I have
seen one extremely dramatic and "textbook" example of such a
reaction, and it responded to the standard therapy for Antabuse
reactions.

In general, it is wise not to combine mushrooms and alcohol.
On the other hand, the disulfram level in mushrooms tends to
vary all over the map: it may have to do with species, growing
conditions (soil precursors?), the time-of-life-cycle in which
they were harvested, and Dog nose what else.  For this reason, you'll
hear plenty of anecdotal evidence like "hey man, I took shrooms
and a fifth of Jack Daniels -- I loved it."  That's the thing
about plant-derived substances: some days the magic works, and
some days it doesn't.  (It was a fifth of JD and 'shrooms that
left a friend of mine convinced he was poisioned by amanita and 
had about an hour to live -- actually, the Antabuse reaction
was over in little more than an hour.)

I have no idea if this was related to your dizziness or not.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if blood-sugar levels figure
in there somewhere as well.  But it's something to think about.

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 05:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.030129.5334@den.mmc.com> whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Rich
rd Whitmeyer) writes:
>
>In article <1gep30INN54c@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Bren
 Burton) writes:
>|> 
>|> OK, I have to ask.
>|> 
> 
>|> What all has Charles manson tried to do? Is he still alive? 
>|> If he is, what is he doing?
> 
>|> -- 
>|> +-------------------------+
>|> | Brent Burton    N5VMG   |    
>|> | bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu |  
>|> +-------------------------+ 
>
>Charlie? That jerk is the flaw in my view to abolish capital punishment.
>Can't see any reason not to search for the lethal dose of LSD using that
>fucker.
>
>He tried too much.
>He is still alive.
>He is doing multiple life sentences for murder.
>
>Brent, go to the library, use the books found there.
>
>Rich Whitmeyer
> 


 I think his charge was actually conspiracy to commit murder, still a big
one though... I also thought he was in a meximum security mental ward...
I saw a spread on him in Time or Life. He pretty much gets what he wants
where he is, except out... He gets solitude, which I would think is a
blessing for any lifer...

St. Anthony

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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Leary : : RECENT SIGHTING
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:50:14 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

> If anyone listening out there does know his e-mail could you forward this
> request to him:  Have him drop me a line, I'm part of a student group
> that would sponsor him for a talk. 

You'll have to write him snail mail, Lamont. I talked to him last summer, 
and, while he has appeared in several conversations on the well, he 
claimed that he doesn't have time to do much on the net's, and that he 
doesn't use email much at all. When he is on the net, he's having other 
people set up the connection for him-- so he said.

Somewhere I have a snail mail address that will reach him. If you have 
money to pay him with, you may well be able to get him to come and talk. 
No money, no talk.

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: Blind people and hallucinogens
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.204549.7499@shearson.com> me@nowhere.com () writes:
>
>Hi folks,
>        does anybody know of any studies done in the '60s on blind people
>given hallucinogens that highly activate the visual cortex such as
>DMT and psilocybin ? Anybody care to speculate on how people born blind
>experience the visual dimension of these substances? Does it manifest itself
>in a different way? I would imagine that people who have lost their sight
>would experience the visuals normally, since the visuals can be 'seen'
>with eyes either open or closed... Does one need to know what it's like
>to see before being able to experience the visuals?
>
>Please post any findings...
>

From what I have always heard, people have to LEARN to see, more or less
we can see objects, but if we have never seen anything, we would not be able
to tell what it is, other than just colors or informations.  I would imagine
its something like reading, if you have never read before, its just junk on
paper.  I would imagine that they would more or less "see" colors or just
random information, but I think that it might be interpreted as just
thoughts.  I really dont know, im not an expert, just my opinion.

Does anyone have any facts on this?

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From: msm@eng.ufl.edu (Michael S. McLean)
Subject: Re: Blind people and hallucinogens
Reply-To: msm@eng.ufl.edu
Organization: Engineering Computing Services
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:13:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.150547.7480@uumeme.chi.il.us>, rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
|> From what I have always heard, people have to LEARN to see, more or less
|> we can see objects, but if we have never seen anything, we would not be able
|> to tell what it is, other than just colors or informations.  I would imagine
|> that they would more or less "see" colors or just random information,
|> but I think that it might be interpreted as just thoughts.  I really
|> dont know, im not an expert, just my opinion....
|>
|> Does anyone have any facts on this?


Caveat:  I remmeber reading this somewhere reputable, but cannot provide
	 a reference.

Apparently, those that are born blind, do not experience visual hallucinations,
uninterpretable or otherwise.  However, people who lose their sight may
experience such hallucinations.
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: kaat?
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:47:57 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Someone gave me a signiificant amount of a green leafy material
they claimed was kaat, the stimulant chewed in Somalia etc. Is
anyone familiar enough with this plant to describe its
appearance, give me the botanical name, etc. I kind of doubt the
stuff I have is genuine. Reply by email and I will summarize,
thanks.

                   |
...eliot          -*-              Postlink: ->CHANNEL1 [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: amessing@willamette.edu (Adam Messinger)
Subject: Yohimbine HCl
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:39:39 GMT


Is anyone out there familiar with the effects of Yohimbine in humans?  I
am especially interested in its effects if administered orally or by
sniffing.  The PDR lists Yohimbine HCl, but only gives information for
dosages of 5 mg. which do not produce any psychotropic effects.  The PDR
states that at 'overdoses' of 25 mg. or higher some other symptoms such as
mydriasis, flushing, etc. may occur, but I have been informed by
knowledgeable people who have tried this drug at levels up to 50 mg. p.o. 
that while their eyes dialated and face reddened there were no perceptual
changes.  In addition I have several articles where doses of .5mg/kg i.v. 
were administered to lab animals in order to produce some type of
psychosis.  I have furthermore seen a reference to the LD50 as being
78mg/kg i.m.  

What can all of you out there in netland tell me?
Is this stuff for real, is it orally active, is it dangerous, does anyone
know?
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: cavrak@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Steve Cavrak)
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Originator: cavrak@newton.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:59:38 GMT

From article <1992Dec13.122254.25969@news.columbia.edu>, by
dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina):

	Tim "neuron-deficient" Leary

A year or so, Tim Leary and some born-again, Watergate
personality (Colson?) presented a "forum" at the University
(UVM = Universitatis Vertis Montis).  He was no more "neuron-
deficient" than anyone else I've ever met, and was certainly
more coherent than his debating opponent.

----------------------------------------------------------------

By the way, what is the name of Leary's Software company?
Does it have an address? An internet connection?

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Leary : : RECENT SIGHTING
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:42:53 GMT

lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>Leary is on the well, but I don't know his e-mail.  Apparently rumor has
>it that he comes up here to Seattle and hangs out in the VR lab sometimes...

>If anyone listening out there does know his e-mail could you forward this
>request to him:  Have him drop me a line, I'm part of a student group
>that would sponsor him for a talk. 

>-- 
>Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
>  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
>                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson

I'm pretty sure that Leary is not on the WELL. I was there for a long time
and never saw a single post by Leary. Lots of posts about him though. Why
don't you try leary@well.sf.ca.us though. Couldn't hurt. The well won't
let you finger it. Respects user privacy and all.


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InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
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From: delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec13.213904.11439@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>
>Steve, it was more of a play off of his penchant for psychoactive
>drugs--he very well might still have a brain.  The Watergate guy is G.
>Gordon Liddy, and the story is this: every year he and Leary travel to
>a college campus and debate each other on whatever the audience is
>interested in.  This year's was at Northwestern or Loyola in Chicago.
>Two of my friends went, and were somewhat disappointed with Tim, but
>in any case...they've been doing this for about a decade, and I find
>the juxtaposition of these guys rather humorous.

There's a history to this, isn't there?  My memory is that back in the
mid-60's Leary was living in Woodstock (NY), where Liddy was an
assistant DA or some such, and they first met on much less than friendly
terms in the course of law enforcement raids on the Leary establishment.

Scott DeLancey
From: mjg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mark Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Cesium
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:31:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

I've never liked Cesium.

But cheddar's not too bad.
And gorganzola is completely excellent.
From: bz898@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: Recipe suggestions
Date: 21 Dec 1992 05:47:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz898@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas D. Martin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



  For that matter, the best part of cooking with cesium is that
it cooks itself!  Talk about convenience foods that tout:
"Just add water!"


Tom.
From: kre@po.CWRU.edu (Keith RW Elflein)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Caesuim
Followup-To: alt.cesium
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:49:09 GMT
Organization: International Horn Society
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61693.student.cwru.edu

Are you sure you know what you're doing? I just want to say that i think a
steady relationship with Caesium just isn't possible. I mean, what if you
wanted to shower with her or something? That'd be a mess...i suggest you
look for love elsewhere. :)


"When tears of joy are flowing, Love laughs sweetly at the beloved! To kiss
them from her cheeks is Love's most beautiful, greatest payment."
From: ijk4@po.CWRU.Edu (Ian J. Kimbrell)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: That Soviet Sub
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:50:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


How dangerous is cesium? I heard that the cesium leaking from that
Soviet Submarine is killing people in Scandinavian countries. Could
it ever find it's way to the US? How long will it take for the water 
to dilute it? Could this destroy an entire Ocean?

							Ian
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: dmoskov1@cc.swarthmore.edu (dmoskov)
Subject: Re: cesium
Organization: swat
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:50:15 GMT

In article <BzA689.K5r@news.iastate.edu>, tnhe6@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 	Where can I find a nice, friendly lump of cesium.
> 	I'd like an attractive lump, but a good personality is
> 	much more important to me.
> 
> 						Tim Bob
> 
> 
tim bob-  
you have two first names.
i met a man with two first names, nick eddy we called him.
--d


Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: tnhe6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: cesium
Reply-To: tnhe6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:12:06 GMT


	Where can I find a nice, friendly lump of cesium.
	I'd like an attractive lump, but a good personality is
	much more important to me.

						Tim Bob
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel)
Subject: Re: Cesium
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services est)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:02:27 GMT

In article <Bz9CJr.MvD@dcs.ed.ac.uk> mjg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mark Gallagher) writes:

>I've never liked Cesium.

Go stick your head in a pig.


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: Re: Cesium
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:53:02 GMT

afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel) writes:
>mjg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mark Gallagher) writes:
>
>>I've never liked Cesium.
>
>Go stick your head in a pig.

That's not nice.
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