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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: What is the future status of Booster Gold?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:12:58 GMT


	I've finally managed to read the entire DOOMSDAY saga (I was not
very impressed except for the TRASHING the JLA got) and picked up the
latest issue of JLA.
	At the back is says that only Guy, Bloodwynd, and Maxima are the
only members left and that they will have to fill their ranks. (And there
is the cover for next issue showing some of the new recruits?) I have a
few questions on the future of the JLA:

	1) What is to happen to Booster Gold? Will he stay with the league
or go into comic limbo until there is sufficient pressure to give him a
new series or miniseries?
	2) I know there has been speculation on the new league (how many
new leagues have we had in 70 issues? New Year = New League???) but does
anyone know with some degree of certainty who will be in this league?
	3) (Almost the same question as 2) Are the heroes on the cover 
supposed to be all the new heroes joining the league?

	I really hope this is not to be the end of Booster Gold. Dan
Jurgens killed of his series, that was painful. Now he ends to finish him
off by having him disappear from the JLA? That would finish me!
	I started reading comics because someone recommended picking up
Booster Gold. I started reading JL (from issue #1) because Booster Gold
was joining the team and that is probably why I stayed with the comics
throughout all it's changes. I liked the humour but I liked BG more! I
hope I'm mistaken about Dan Jurgens plans because I would have to send him
a lot of hate mail.
	Can someone put my mind at rest (or tell me where I can purchase
some plastic explosives) .... please!!!

Thanks in advance.

Alan Bick

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Valiant Issues
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:59:36 EST

cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:

> Anyone who has more information on these, please post them.
> There doesn't seem to be enough talk about the current Valiant issues.

I don't have *information* but I do have an editorial comment.  Since 
many people have been recommending Valiant to me, and since I just hadn't 
been able to get into the Valiant comics, in spite of my love of B arry 
Windsor-Smith's art, I have over the past two days read SHADOWMAN #1-6.  
I was determined to give it a chance; I wanted to like it; mysticism and 
creatures of the night are fun.  Besides, I don't want to be forever 
prejudiced against Shooter's writing because in the past I have found it 
immature, dull, irritating and/or offensive.

So I read SHADOWMAN very carefully and I found it (sigh) immature, dull, 
irritating and eventually very offensive.

The art was kind of nice, but I was terribly disappointed.

There was also a confusing discontinuity between #5 and #6, where the 
story must have carried on in other comics -- an annoying habit that 
Marvel and DC have that I would hope other companies would not emulate.

> Enough Sandman already.
> 

...There's no such thing as enough Sandman.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Robin 3000
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:00:35 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Robin 3000 was dreck.  Don't buy it.  Don't borrow it.  And most
assuredly, don't read it.  

This book had a lot of promise.  Good artist, intriguing idea for
a story, the Batman mythos to play with, and a science fiction
environment.  The first book was mildly interesting, setting up a
30'th century Robin on the run from aliens who'd taken over our
planet.  Not much happened, but the art was nice, and I assumend
the second issue would pick up the pace in order to resolve the
story line.

Wrong! Bzzzt!  The second issue has no ending.  You get to the last
page and the story stops like a train hitting a brick wall.  Nothing
is resolved.  In fact, I turned to the front to make sure there
wasn't going to be 3rd installment.  Nope.  This book ends just before the
lead up to the climax should be getting started.  If this were
a four part miniseries, then the book ended at an appropriate point
for a cliff hanger.  But for the final book in a series it is
totally inappropriate. 

About 90% of the books I get are by DC.  I've never bought something
like this before that infuriated me so much.  Here I spent close
to $10 for these two books and got absolutely nothing in return.

I wrote a letter to DC demanding my money back. I'll see what they
do.  I won't hold my breath.

Mark Balbes
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Swamp Thing #128 
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:46:20 GMT

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
>>I see the Swamp Thing once again battling deformed
>>monsters and ecocidal megacorporations -- with Abby once again left to...

>A good writer, sometimes a great writer, comes onto a comic.  He does new 
>and original and fascinating things, and writes it well.  People notice. 
>The comic becomes popular.  The writer moves on.
>
>Then a writer, even a competent writer, comes onto the book.  He or she 
>writes the same things, but they aren't new and original any more...

Except that Veitch and Wheeler *didn't* write the same things as Moore.
And while they weren't Alan Moore, they were quite good.  Nancy Collins
is not.  

-----
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dani@netcom.com

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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: Sam & Max
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:56:32 GMT

In article <1h7ikvINNik5@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes:
> The Marvel '93 book listed it as 3 issues. So you can either look at it
>as a limited series or a book that gets published 3 times a year.

Hey, that's better than waiting two years for each issue!

> If, as your mit adress states, you are in Boston, stop by Million Year
>Picnic and ask them if they ordered the shirt. Diamond just solicited for
>the shirts and the orders were due last week. Capitol was 2 months up
>on Diamond here (and Diamond didn't offer the stickers or pins, yet)
>so maybe some other stores got them. Call around.

I'll post this to the net for others (since the MYP info was also discussed
here a few weeks ago....).  

I was in Million Year Picnic last week (their new shop).  They had just
started reordering issues after their fire (the owner estimated that they
lost 95% of their backstock) so they hadn't ordered this kind of stuff
at the time (I think, can anyone correct this?), as they were pretty busy
getting new issues and managing a deal to buy 16,000 comics from someone
selling their entire collection....  So the good news is that MYP's insurance
covered their fire and they're going to slowly reconstruct their backstock.

I'll ask about them ordering the shirts, buttons, etc.  Good idea.

Oh, and I finally had Orange Circus Peanuts last week (!!).  I have yet
to try Sizzling Weasel on a Stick, though.  But I have been to Stuckey's
and have a map of all Stuckey's nationwide on my wall...(sad, isn't it? :-)

About rec.comics.sam&max...hey, if there's an alt.fan.suicide-squid, why
not an alt.fan.sam&max...? 

--dave



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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: back at Jim c.Re: Canadian Distributors
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:55:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.215420.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.194438.25122@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec25.075510.15381@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
>>>
>>>In his last post, Jim states:
>>>> Certainly.  But Usagi Yojimbo doesn't REALLY sell.  Not even as well as
>>>> Conan.
>> 
>> Usagi sells two copies per month at my shop.  Groo sells six.  Conan sells four.
>
>
>Please note that Jim's store Dragon Strike is the bottom of comic stores in
>Victoria, Island Fantasy and Currious both have much bigger sales vollumes and
>both recognize the value of Groo and Usagi.
>            I won't say who I am just to p*** Jim off
>
>heheheheheh

It's Don McCaskill again.

Bottom of comic stores in Victoria?  I don't think so, Don.  Curious is
substantially below us in terms of comic sales.  Each of our two stores does
better than Curious' downtown store, and his Tillicum store is a running joke
among local comic collectors.

I won't dispute that Island Fantasy is a much bigger operation, but of course
he's been in business in town for fifteen years, much longer than any other
surviving store.  Somebody's got to be number one, right?

-------
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Professional Evil Person
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:08:51 GMT

     I just bought today a book called COMICS: THE BEGINNING COLLECTER.
There is lots of stupid stuff in here, but I managed to zero in on page
104. Here is the quote:

"1987: Marvel Comics comes to an agreement with Jack Kirby and returns
2111 pages to him in return for the COPYRIGHT and OWNERSHIP of the
characters that HE CREATED FOR THEM"

(emphasis mine)

This really jerks my chain. You have the big two, who for many years had
no LEGAL control over the characters (because of no contracts), although
Nazi... ooops Big Two propaganda would convince you of otherwise. These
companies were so afraid of a bunch of old men that they had lawyers draw
up settlements where they would get the legal control of the charcters and
comics that they created. Think about it: blackmail. "Listen Jerry, listen
Joe, life isn't good, is it? We'll settly that real good. Sign on the bottom
line and you will have a guaranteed income. All you have to do is give up
any claim on the characters you created." Blackmail. And think about the
greatest superhero artist of all time: Jack Kirby, himself wanting his
original back. And in order to get it he ALSO had to give up his claims.
These characters were in LEGAL LIMBO until the company men "gave them
an offer they couldn't refuse". 

     These creators have a REAL case against the corporate men who run
comic books. When they started, there weren't the lawyers there were today.
And with a good lawyer of their own, they could have made a serious challenge
to the corporate companies over the legal status of the characters that they
created. Nothing was ever cut in stone then, not until Jerry and Joe got
their pension and Jack got his art. A truly sad episode in comics history.

     Here is what I propose. You have the Comics Legal Defence Fund, which
protects store owners against the fascist attacks of police and politicians
and lobby groups. I propose the Comics Creators Defence Fund, dedicated to
the defence of the artists who have given us that first joy lo those many
years ago when we bought our first comic books of the shelves. And for
every Jack and Joe and Jerry, there are DOZENS, HUNDREDS of artists, with
legally unsettled claims, and were they any bit as famous as these three,
they too would have been paid hush money, their blackmail money, the money
to shut up a bunch of old men who are more important to comic books than
the guys in the suits ever could be. 

     I think I will pop off a letter to Dave Sim about this. 


-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
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From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Subject: dc: batman: bane
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:49:31 EST

In message <1992Dec23.133351.4754@spcvxb.spc.edu>, juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
writes:

[re: Bane]

JE>I found it very interesting, even though I found it to be very similiar to
JE>the Death of Superman/Doomsday scenario -inwhich a villian is crafted to be
JE>an equally dark and effective shadow/double of the original (in Doomsday's
JE>case, it was the strength factor that was duplicated, since it is the most
JE>used attribute of Superman).  I expect to see a "Death of The Batman" series
JE>coming soon -where everybody gets an armband with a bleeding bat on it.

Actually, I'd be a little kinder to it. The Bane book was (as you said)
not terribly original in scope; but I'd certainly take it over the
Doomsday fiasco. Bane's history, character, and motivation were all
explored, all of which were completely ignored with Doomsday.

I agree that they're setting up Bane to be a Bat-killer (or at least a
Bat-smasher). However, they are at least putting a little effort into
the character, rather than just dragging him in offstage at the last
minute.

I'm not terribly impressed with Bane (give me a good R'as Al Ghul or
Joker any day), but I was _far_ less impressed with Doomsday. I don't
think that the comparison is valid.

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:30:25 EST

hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:

> Now that the end of the year is upon us, how about some nominations for
> the book that has sunk the lowest for this past year?  That is, the
> book that has fallen off the most in terms of quality (however you
> want to define that.)  My nomination goes to a Marvel book (of
> course):  Fantastic Four.  Ugh.  
> 
I've been trying to think of a better candidate, and I can't.  
Fortunately.  The FF should win this appalling award hands down.  What a 
pity.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

(Remembering the halcyon days of *good* stories in the F.F.)


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:21:20 GMT

tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai):
>I have to assume that the blond bimbo in the skimpy costume in the center 
>of the ad is the invisible woman. 

The question is, why should she bother wearing a skimpy costume (it
gets cold in Manhattan) when she has the power to make whatever portions
of her regular costume she likes invisible?

-----
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dani@netcom.com

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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: REVIEWS:  PAD week (Hulk and X-Factor, SPOILERS)
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:23:07 GMT

In article <72275@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Ah yes...my "co-plotter" on X-Factor #87, Shana David.

Is Shana your wife, daughter, or some other relation?
Also, who is "Myra David," who suggested the "Rahne's World" gag a couple 
issues back?

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We have been given the power of free speech.
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Years with Delirium (Maybe some spoilers)
Keywords: confetti noise makers champagne Endless stuff like that
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.025852.11046@leland.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes:
>In rec.arts.comics.misc lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>Some more bits and pieces from Sandman #46. Possible spoilers, certain 
>>doom awaits...

>

>>- Tempus Frangit. Time stops or time shatters or time breaks? Anyone have
>>  any of the training in Latin that I obviously lack?
>
>I'm not positive on this one, but from what I remember of my high
>school Latin I'd say that the best translation would be "Time
>Shatters". FWIW.

From my pocket Latin dictionary:

frango: vt. break, shatter, wreck, crush, grind; (fig.) break down, weaken,
humble; (emotion) touch, move.

I dare say this bit of Latin is quite possible a pun.
From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Allen Is Back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:22:52 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <esJ9VB10w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> <JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>> Yes!  It's about time.  Barry Allen is back in the newest edition of Flash.
>> He comes home for Christmas and it is a total shocker to me.  I've been
> 
> So what details from Crisis still remain?  Seems to me most of the 
> changes have been reversed, except (a) Ma and Pa Kent are still alive and 
> (b) we have to wait till Superman comes back to know for sure how he will 
> be then.
> 
> Is anyone still dead and gone?
 
  The Anti-Monitor maybe?

> 
> Namaste,
> Elizabeth
> 
>
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Favorite Writers
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:54:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sen. Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) writes:

>Okay; this makes sense.  We can't get around CEREBUS being black and 
>white but I'd recommend that you give SANDMAN a try; you're really 
>missing something good.

If they need it to be in color, they might try wearing 3-D glasses.

People who won't read black and white comics had better never let me catch
them watching un-Turnerized copies of Casablanca, Our Gang comedies, Laurel
and Hardy, It's a Wonderful Life, Betty Boop cartoons, or Night of the
Living Dead.  (I actually know one person who once claimed he would never
watch a black and white film; he *does* enjoy Baker Street, though.)

>Trust me, I'm a Senator.

Which party?  Sen. Elizabeth Holden (Ind - ON) for now.  (Replace "Ind" with
Rep, Dem, Grn, Lib, Lab, Com, Soc, etc., as need be.)  Will you be running
with or against Sen. Robert Kelly (Dem - NM) in '96?

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                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Color me Dark & Streets
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:57:51 GMT
Keywords: Streets and dark

In article <trumpet-user.16@oregon.uoregon.edu> trumpet-user@oregon.uoregon.edu (Default Trumpet User) writes:
>Has any one seen the DC Hardcover "Color Me Dark" (I think that's the title
>) or the miniseries Streets (prestige format) yet.  Both were announced in
>Direct Currents a couple of months ago.

I think you're probably refering to "Tell Me, Dark", which came out in late
October.  It's a beautiful piece of work.  Find it and buy it.
 
As for "Streets"... never heard of it.  What's the story?  Writer?  Artist?
 
Greg

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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:15:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <24DEC199215102476@rigel.tamu.edu> ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec24.000729.21832@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
[deletion]
>>- More eye references. I'm assuming that Del's eyes really, truly are 
>>  both supposed to be green in the final page.

>Perhaps this is part of the change theme.  Del may be changing back to Delight.

  Neil just posted on GEnie that it's another coloring error.  NEXT issue,
they'll really be the same color for two panels.....

[more deletion]
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Malcolm X: the original X-Man?!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:06:22 GMT
Keywords: This is NOT an xbooks question...


[Wait!  Hold your fire!  This is not an xbooks posting!!]

This weekend I wen to see Spike Lee's new joint (err, film), MALCOLM X.
Excellent film.  (Don't know why people complain about it being too long.
Lord knows THE DOORS felt much longer...)

Anyway, back to my point.  I'm one of those weird people who just won't
leave the theather until all the credits have rolled off the screen (you
always find some interesting stuff in there).  Among all the listings and
acknowledgements, I saw the following (paraphrased):  "All Marvel
Characters Copyright 1992 MARVEL COMICS GROUP (etc...)"

What gives?  Did Marvel finally manage to copyright the letter "X"?
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