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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Legends of the Dark Knight #39 (no spoilers)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:51:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14196.2ad966d2

In article <1992Oct12.131140.4489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> Okay, as one person pointed out, the theme of LotDK #39-40 *may* have been done
> to death before.  But, and this is important, not recently.  I've never seen 
> this storyline done in Batman before, and it's been a while since I last read a
> storty about someone who thought they were a hero but weren't.  There are no 
> new ideas, to be certain, but there are ideas that haven't been overused, and 
> this is one of them.

One of my favorite comic book stories is from Flash #300 (I think) 
which explores
this same theme.  Barry Allen wakes up in a hospital and is told
that the chemical accident that he thinks gave him his powers, in fact,
left him an invalid.  His adventures as the Flash were all in his
mind, an escapist fantasy.  Many of the supporting characters from
the series and other JLA members stop in to see Barry to help him
"recover".  While they are talking to him about forgetting about
his Flash fantasy, Barry is reviewing his career and trying to figure
a way out of what he is sure is a trap by one of his enemies.

I recommend the issue to anyone who is enjoying the current LOTDK arc.
The similarities are astounding.

Mark Balbes
From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: A Bitter Old Man on the Hulk
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:18:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
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In article <9210160152.AA00849@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>, smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher) writes...
>In article <1992Oct15.212112.25969@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>:  spoiled, but I wouldn't mind this so much if Keown had at least been
>:  allowed to finished this storyline.  If what McFly sez is correct, the
>:  gang at Marvel have indeed pulled a sleezy one.  Who cares if he's behind
>:  schedule??!!  DK's art is worth the wait.
> 
>	From a fanboy standpoint, sure it's worth the wait, but when
>you're running a business (from Marvel all the way down to your local
>comics store), the timely delivery of material is imperative.  None of
>them are running a charity, and if a supplier isn't providing the
>product as promised, you go to another supplier.  If you want to blame
>anyone, blame Keown for over committing himself.

C'mon.  Sure keown may have been slow, but Marvel knew this when they hired 
him.  Keown may be partly to blame, but I can't believe that Marvel was not 
trying to dig at him.

 - Wayne.
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: Calm Blue Water...and a Muskie the Size of Boise
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:27:30 GMT
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In article <1992Oct07.231316.11685@edsi.plexus.COM>, terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson) writes:
> kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin J. Chen) writes:
>>Desire is standing in her gallery staring at Dream's helmet saying, "I'm
>>watching you, Big Brother" (a cute reversal of the phrase, IMO).
> 
> The ironic reversal of the familiar Orwellian expression is not noted in
> the annotation I have, though it may have been added in a later version.
> Doctor Elmo, call your office...

	Dr. Elmo needs an issue number, please.  He's only vaguely omniscient.
-- 
"I'm confused about this whole good-bad thing.  What exactly do you mean, bad?"
"Imagine every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light and all   
 life as we know it stopping simultaneously."                                  
"Total protonic reversal...."                                                  
"Right.  That would be bad.  Important safety tip.  Thanks, Egon."             
--Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, and Dan Ackroyd, "Ghostbusters"                   
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Send in the clones: Legion Problems
Keywords: Don't Forget the Chaos...
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:25:52 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

> In article <1992Oct11.034258.9802@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jh
> )The clones were from the period around Adventure #349 (they
> )goofed on Matter-Eater Lad's weight, which otherwise would contraindicate
> )that).  This was _long_ before Omega.  Besides, it was finally revealed
> )Stargrave was responsible for that.
> 
> 	Actually, the new series' first annual retconned that into being
> Glorith. The main point (that the young Brainy should be reasonably stable)
> is still valid, though. (Did the Legion still battle Stargrave? We've never
> seen a reference to him that I recall.)
> 


But there are some crucial differences from the first group as seen in 
the first stories.  For one thing, Supergirl and Superboy never existed.  
We won't know what other aspects of Legion history did or did not exist 
until they show us.  (Okay, Superboy *did* exist, sort of, barely.  But 
they aren't going to tell us about it.)

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:53:11 GMT

RODNEY ALLEN BOLES writes

-->If you think that Lee is the best thing in comics right now, then you must 
-->be a fanboy. His work lacks originality, IMHO. The style is too much
-->Neal Adams. 

Trust me - I'm not. 

-->
-->As far as Image goes, McFarlane and Keown have him beat hands down. 
-->I'm also thinking that Portacio will blow him away.

Keown is awesome.  But he hasn't put out PITT yet - as far as the Hulk stuff  
goes - yeah he's way up there.  McFarlane is good too - but he doesn't know  
anatomy (doesn't mean I don't enjoy it).  Portacio I like too, but his figure  
seem too stiff most of the time...

-->
-->But I would much rather look at, say the latest issue of Archer and  
Armstrong
-->by BWS than ANY of the image line. Or Joe Quesada, who I think is hands
-->down the best new artist out there. I also like what Jae Lee is doing
-->stylistically. Did you see Gulacy's run on LOTDK a while back?? Incredible
-->stuff. Chris Bacchalo has been doing a great run on Shade: perfectly
-->suited for the mood of the book.]


Windsor-Smith is good as well, but I think that the pastel coloring is taking  
away from his art.  I've seen his pencils and straight inks, and let me tell  
you, I like them better, without coloring.

Joe Quesada is a VERY good choice.  I didn't think of him, but his run on  
Batman/Azrael, is awesome.  He seems like a mix between Alan Davis and  
Gulacy...  I don't like Gulacy, because some of the things he draws are too  
detailed (fingernails, lips, teeth....)  Haven't seen Bacchalo.

-->
-->Kuberts run on the Batman/Predator thing was also incredible. Lets see,
-->I hate to forget anyone. Angel Medina (sp?) over on Warlock and IW is
-->doing nice work. Oh, yeah, I saw Jerry Ordways painted SHAZAM graphic 
-->novel at the Dan Diego Con. It was beautiful. Highly recommended.

Kubert - with the right inker - is also way up there.  I've said that since the  
one-issue shot he did on X-Men featuring Colossus.

All in all, we seem to have the same taste in artists.  Guess it'd be hard to  
have an argument here.... :)

Chris
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: PAD.  Is it really him?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:15:19 GMT

In article <92cj02Mq25ob01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.164044.21836@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com writes:
>>In article <70615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
>>~Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
>>~Hulk fame?
>>~I haven't been involved with the net long enough to know.
>>Yep.  It's him.
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>Shouldn't that be: Yep. It's  * H * I * M * 
>                              *************
>complete with a choir of angels singing in the background? :-) 

	Angels??

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Delirium
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:37:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.faber.718472242
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell) writes:

>I'd be amused to see a little girl's tea party between Delirium and the
>representative from Chaos who visited Dream in "Seasons of Mist."  I'm
>sure they'd have a lot to talk about, whether we'd understand any or it 
>or not.

	Or whether they would or not, for that matter.  And I think her
	name was "Shimmering Jemmy" (Or "Screaming".  The adjectives are
	becoming confused.)

	By the way, anyone else wander around the house talking like
	Delirium after reading #43?  Oh, I didn't think so.  Don't mind
	me....
>
>--James Langdell         jamesc@eng.sun.com

"Okay, I'm tired of talking to myself.  Fade the music and let's see if there's
 really an audience out there watching cable." ---Molly Dodd

-- 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Gideon Gets Whupped (yay)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:09:42 GMT

Well, I got Night Thrasher #4 today, and he takes Gideon down in 3 pages...two 
if you don't count the splash page that has him take the first hit.  He takes 
off his armor (in case Gideon can emulate it too) and proceeds to let Gideon 
loose his cool and go berserk.  Then Dwayne makes short work of Giddy.
     YAY!
     Dave Van Domelen, hates pineapple on pizza
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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: PAD.  Is it really him?
Organization: Blackriver Recorporations, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:43:43 GMT
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In article <1992Oct13.222526.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo's Glue) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.224849.17874@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>> 
>> Besides, most of us have already been noticed by Peter...right Sgt. Tang,
>> Security Redshirt Meyer, Atlantean Dan'l, and Admiral (but still second in
>> Admiral's rank due to dual seniority nyah nyah nyah) Williams? :-)
> 
> 	Yeah, but I used to be the guy's Pope, and I still have yet to see
> PFC elmo, or random street lunatic elmo, or cannon fodder elmo, or fuzzy
> magenta mutant elmo, or soggy crustacean elmo.
> 	There just ain't no justice.
> 
> 	:-)

         That's due to the schism, heathen! The Elmotic Sect of the First
    Church of Peter David is nothing more than a raving band of heretics!

         We all know who the pope of the One True Church was. :-)

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
 "Yaba-dah! A *spider*! A giant spider with *diapers* on!!!" 
    -- Flaming Carrot    
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Albert Elmostein)
Subject: Re: Legends of the Dark Knight #39 (no spoilers)
Organization: Master of Time and Space but Mostly Physics
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:04:14 GMT
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In article <Meq_c2q00awU01ikdU@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> This is an _incredible_ issue. Seeing as how there hasn't been much
> discussion on it, I'd assume most people haven't read it, probably
> because they don't pick up the title regularly. I've never purchased
> LoDK myself, until this issue, but the intriguing plot previewed in DC
> Releases made me curious about it (and extra thanks to Abhijit Khale,
> whose "mini-review" prompted me to buy it).

> The
> plot is inventive, and the characterizations are superb, of a level I
> rarely see in any mainstream comics. 

	This is "Cages", right, by Talbot?
	Basically, it sucked.  Nice coloring on top of reasonably tolerable
Talbot art.
	But the story, oy!  Trite is the word of the day, as someone tries to
convince Batman that Batman is a fantasy figure and Wayne is an alcoholic bum.
YAWN YAWN YAWN.  We've only seen that plot done a thousand times, and Talbot
doesn't ring any new changes in on it.
	Not to mention Talbot obviously and directly swipes Frank Miller's
scripting style from Dark Knight and Year One, particularly apparent in the
captions.
	Big thumbs down from me.
-- 
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
--Albert Einstein                                                              
  
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (Mike Mignola)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.032325.23687@wam.umd.edu> gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:

>	Mike Mignola might do a good job.


	According to Gaiman, Mignola is supposed to do the giant 50th
issue.  We'll see.  (personally, I can't wait...I think I'm actually
one of the few people who likes Mignola's art!)

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From: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matthew Braun)
Subject: Heavy Metal (was: Re: Simon Bizley Question)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:03:13 GMT

intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Sheila Rani Gurtu) writes:
>I wouldn't be surprised if Tundra has Biz doing a lot of stuff for HEAVY
>METAL in the future; they own it now.  He did a recent cover.

I was worried about them when National Lampoon went under.  It'll be
interesting to see if they change at all under Tundra's management.  Glad to
see that 'ol Tundra picked them up.  For the Bisley completist, HM did publish
the first two parts of Mills and Bisley's Slaine series (which originally
appeared in 2000 AD.)  It's one of the issues from the end of 1990/early 1991.

					m@

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From: MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:41:34 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <L6gHsB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca writes:
  
> You're not the only one out there.   Love & Rockets is wonderful.
> 
> So where is Maggie and when will we see her again?

In the next issue, a double-size tenth anniversary issue, due out
in a month or two...
                    ....Marcus Brazil.......
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:02:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:

> In article <senuwfW00WB4ADHfJB@andrew.cmu.edu> "Steven M. Stadnicki" <ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >again.  Who would you *most* like to see do an issue (or issues) of Sandman,
> >and on what theme?  (Assuming you could find a theme for said artist)
> 
> artist: Vincent Van Gogh
> theme:  Delirium's realm
> 
> Remember, you heard it here first.


artist: HR Giger
theme:  Nasty shit.

artist: Egon Scheielle
theme: sexual perversion

artist: William Blake
theme: war on god

artist:  Monet
theme:  Sitting around looking at shit in different lights.

artist: Evynd Earle teamed with Eucharin De Matta
theme:  A trip through the landscape of dreams

artist:  Simon Bisley
theme:  Big arms and ghastly faces.

doug
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:12:10 -0400 
From: "Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
	<1b8v0gINNq0f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

Just thought I would let yall know ripclaws claws can expand to about 4 ft.

Don't have time to argue the value of the book, but for what it's worth
I liked it.

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Peace

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From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: PAD.  Is it really him?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:36:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
Hulk fame?

I haven't been involved with the net long enough to know.


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From: randy@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Randy White)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:58:48 GMT
Subject: Re: DC : Dr Thirteen, the ghost-breaker. which issues?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

> There's an old character by the name of Doctor Thirteen, who appeared
> briefly in Books of Magic, and also as a piss-take in Doom Patrol. Can
> anyone tell me where else he's appeared - titles and issue numbers if
> possible.

"Doctor Thirteen, Ghost Breaker" appeared in back-up stories in the old 
Phantom Stranger series (2nd series, 1969-1976) somewhere around issues 
12 ~ 25.  (Sorry I can't get you exact numbers.  I sold my copies over a 
decade ago.)  However, you should be able to pick these up rather cheaply, 
since the series ended and PS never became a big-name character.

Regards,

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Alien 3
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:28:22 GMT

Allow me to vote this comic series as one of the worse of the year.
Whatever you may have thought of the movie, this series is worse.
Considering Dark Horse's reputation for movie adaptations, this comic is
a bitter disappointed. Substandard art and writing that butchers what
was there in the movie. The ending is also different, (no better mind
you, but different).

As I have said no very good stuff at all. Getrs my vote as the worse
thing i have read so far this year.


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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: West Coast Avengers... Scarlet Witch ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:19:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.174544.59757@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

>Well, considering Stark's attitude during the Galactic Storm mess, I'd say
>that's pretty much right.  If (when) Tony (I got a .357 with your name on it)
>Stark does come back, he'll probably be acting about the same as he did then.
>He really needs to be taken out of the supertype business for awhile; I think
>it's more stressful than the life of a millionaire  playboy. :)

Well, I think it's safe to say that he *will* be out of the group
for a while. (what with him dying, and all.... <shyeah, right, I
believe he'll die..>)

>>P.S.  I still really ought to be doing homework.  Anyone want to do my Digital
>>Design for me??? 

>Dunno.  Is that anything like programming my digital watch?  I even have trouble
>with that...

I did Digital Design. No prob. How much will you pay?
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Duo Damsel (Re: Send in the Clones)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:06:21 GMT

vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams):
>So how did Luornu get the split personality mentioned in the third Annual?

That split personality is a baseless rumor, an outright canard,
a downright duck!
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Characters available for Marvel 2099
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:53:42 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>>>By 2099, Franklin Richards should be just about old enough to enter 
>>>high school.
>>
>>And Aunt May wil be very close to, but not yet near, dying.

>Hey!! Isn't that where she is at now?!?

>Anyway,
>We've already seen Aunt May in SM 2099.
>PAD and crew killed her off in the second issue. :)
>So much for her having her own book.


WHAAAAT?!?!?

Damn.  I was really looking forward to the first issue of:

"AUNT MAY and her MIGHTY EXTERNALS"

with those new "SUICIDE SQUID 2099/BLOODBLOODBLOOD 2099" backup stories.

*SIGH!!!* 

The JMan