HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Does Fudan Univ in Shanghai have internet access?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:51:31 -0500
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dtcc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.071245.26821@netcom.com> jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:
>Can someone tell me just why only one Univ has access to the net in 
>China...Seems unbelievable...    
>
>Would love to hear from any CCP guys that can defend this state of affairs.
>


Every once a while I will read those silly questions from new-comers.

Would you please get some study before you trash this newsgroup?

ftp to ifcss.org, and READ before you ASK!!!

I am not a CCP, but I still love my country.

--wang
Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:40:47 IST
From: <CVRLIUS@TECHNION.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About the latest China launched satillite

  If it is true, that will be  a good news for china!!
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:24:12 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan5.173647.25246@rd.hydro.on.ca> rkng@rd.hydro.on.ca (Ron Ng) writes:
>People in the western world tend to have an impression
>that the illiteracy rate in China is very high. Is this
The last census result shows that the general population
of China is something like > 75% LITERATE in 1990.
Among the 25% illiterate, majority of them are over
60 years old (i,e, they passed their primary educational
opportunity before the commiunist takeover in 1949.

I think its very common for Westners to have a misinformed
image of China. I was watching C-SPAN one night, the
US Commerce Secretary Barbara Fraklin said something
like the following: 
Pres. Bush asked me to go to China. I thought China
was a bunch of peasents in some rice paddes. I was
shocked when I arrived in China. We in the West
have an impression of China that can not be farther
away from the truth. When I got to ShenZhen from
HongKong, I can not tell the difference between the
two places....

She may have exagerated somewhat, but at least she
tells her change of impression about China.
I guess seeing is believing(except the Western
TV).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Am I virtually in US ? (was RE: A poor soul in Shanghai)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:36:21 GMT

In article <C0pvFB.LJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wdm0345@SSE!ocht!oshi%himen%china.central.edu%sinonet (Wang Da Ming) writes:
>hi there WORLD!
>do you read me ?
>if so please say so.
>a poor soul in China...
>at the exchange...
>wdm
>

Let's do something interesting then...How 'bout five bucks an hour working
as an inside trader for me?

Or are you just a late night janitor stealing into the central intelligence
mainframe from an unattended terminal?

FY
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: guangxi massacre (re: can
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:56:29 EST

In Article: <C0KDpG.4x6@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
   Subject: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
      From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)


>This is enough to make people doubt the creditability of the references
>the orginal post cited.

What makes you think that others will trust your creditability?

>Bullshit, what makes you think you can teach others,

Swearing and profanity will not improve the correctness of your view.

>my statement is that 'China-bashing will do harm to the reform', I
>still stand by it.

You have every right to make a statement and stand by it, yet you
did not bother to explain why your statement is correct, why others
should agree with you.
By doing so, you have failed to provide any convincing argument to
support your own statement.

How can you equate: "to criticize CCP" to "China-bashing"? the two was
never the same.

How can you equate: "to expose CCP's past crimes" as "China-bashing"?
CCP did commit numerous horrible crimes against the Chinese people.

Every decent person has a right to remind the world, what happened
during China's recent history and record the events into history, so
that hopefully, the similar atrocities will not be repeated!

Many people on the net are confusing the CCP and CG as China. This is
wrong!

If China want to achieve the true reform, it's government and the ruling
political party need to learn how to accept criticism from others,
regardless how blunt or unpleasant the criticism may sound.

It was CCP's bad habit of demanding 100% submission and unconditional
support through it's own party hierarchy, and later, demanded the same
from all levels of China's society, caused most of China's disasters in
recent Chinese history, and CCP's leadership has yet to show to the
Chinese people and the world, that they have the willingness to change
their behavior. (Some netters behavior reflects exactly that kind of
mentality.)

Before they do, any number of economical growth will not bring the
benefit of reform, to the majority of China's mass.

This is why, I view any criticism to CCP, with just cause, can only be
beneficial to promote China's reform, and it is a must to gauge China's
true progress.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:27:52 EST
From: <HXT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    looking for Miss Jiao(3), Zhuo(2)


I'm looking for Miss Jiao(3), Zhuo(2). I guess that she is in the United States
now. Her major maybe architecture or archithectural engineering. She took TOEFL
in January, 1991 in Heilongjiang University at Harbin. After got fer master's
degree from Northeast Normal University at Changchun in the summar of 1991, she
said that she would go to Beijing to look for any chance for her to go to the
United States. Since then, I haven't got any single information from her.

My email is: yang@stat.psu.edu

My address is:  Yongxin Yang
                Apt.306
                917 S ALLEN st
                State College, PA 16801
or
                Yongxin Yang
                Dept. of Statistics
                326 COB
                The Penn State Uniersity
                University Park, PA 16802

Any single information about Miss Jiao, Zhuo is appreciated. Thank you
very much for your attention and time.
From: jian@cs.anu.edu.au (Jian Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Mr. Wu Teng from Xiehe Medical Science Univ.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:42:16 +1100
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.anu.edu.au

My friend Wu Teng  was last known as a medical gradute student at
Duke University in States. He was from Xiehe Medical Science
University. Anyone knows him upon seeing this post, please email
to jian@cs.anu.edu.au.


Thanks

Jian Yang
From: yli@engr.latech.edu (Yueming Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Lin, Dexing
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:52:41 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: yli@engr.latech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: me07.latech.edu

Summary: 
Keywords: 

I'v got a friend whose name is Lin, Dexing caming from Shanghai. He graduated from Beijing Physical Education (ti yu, sport) Intitute and was a teacher of Shanghai Jiao Tong University. He came the States in 1987 as a graduate in Utah at logan ( maybe Utah State University at logan. I appreciate if someone could tell any information about him.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gong@jazz.concert.net (Fengmin Gong)
Subject: Request for Info about China trip
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:17:48 GMT


Hi

I need to make a trip back to China as soon as possible and request the
following information from whoever that can help:

(1) Recommendations for good travel agents that I can buy plane tickets
    from with good price. 
(2) My destination a new international airport in Xian Yang city, 
    Shaanxi Province. Can I get tickets all the way to the destination
    from the an agent in U.S.?
(3) What are the new rules and regulations regarding the exit permit for
    oversea scholars and their families?

Direct reply to me will be appreciated.  I can post the result to the
group if there is enough reply.

Thanks and have a very happy new year!

Fengmin Gong
gong@concert.net
MCNC Communications Research

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:31:24 GMT

In article 24873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.181800.10776@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:
>>In article 6000@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>
>>
>>>And by qi gong, I mean the same types of things: curing people with terminal
>>>diseases, jumping from the ground onto the top of a three story building,
>>>seeing thru walls of concrete two feet thick, etc.
>>>
>>
>
>....section deleted
>
>>
>>Too bad I have not seen nor heard of your claims of qi gong.
>
>....section deleted
>
>	You mean to say you haven't heard that the qi gong practioners are
>practicing "healing"? Curing sick people with the touch of the hand? There
>have been numerous articles in the Chinese press about the government's
>attempts to crack down on this practice recently.
>
>Mark
>
>
>

No, not officially.  I have heard plenty of charlaton talks on the subjects of
"miracle" healings.  But they were not limited to only from the study of qi-gong.
I guess the believable portion of qi-gong got messed up by some quacky claims.

dw.
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Subject: Re: Religious conflict in India
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:29:59 GMT

In article <1ihiqmINN85j@hsc.usc.edu> elien@hsc.usc.edu (Dim Soon E. Lien) writes:

[deleted stuff...]

>Buddha must leave India because he teach respect and peace.  Indian not
>listen to teaching and make Buddha leave.  If you not want peace you fight
>forever on net and in India.  Indian student should learn Buddhism.  Make
>them fight less and work more in laboratory.
>
>Dim Soon E. Lien
>


Wait a second .. where are all the :-) :-)'s??? I hope this was just a joke!
Its very true SCI is a very 'violent' place.. infact I don't even subscribe to
it. I prefer to read alt.tasteless.joke cuz out there you atleast don't have
to take anyone seriously. However, I do have an objection to anyone branding
anyone else as being a violent race! In its own subtle way that is racism.

Lets not forget China has had its share of violence too! I am sure no one
wants to be reminded about it :-)

Peace!

Shriram Chaubal
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:47:32 EST
From: <YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Information On Chinese Radio Station

Radio Beijing: Freq.: 9360kZ (?, I will make sure after I go home)
               Time: 9:00pm-10:00pm ET
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi...)
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:14:38 -0500
Distribution: na  
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <93Jan11.111442est.24@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> In article <93010.191823SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.163606.4240@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>,
>>jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu says:
>>>
>>>In article <1993Jan10.184443.23960@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
>>>Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov writes:
>>>> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) wrote:
>>>>>In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>>>
>>      Citations of others deleted.
>>
>>>        *** How naive and simplistic!  Military action is no solution to
>>>whatever problems there exist in the Mainland.  Besides, the KMT is in no
>>>way militarily comparable with the CCP.  Don't overestimate the forces of
>>>some F-16s.  The CCP may not be the hope of China, but the KMT is no best
>>>alternative.  The true hope of China is the Chinese people.  We need no more
>>>simplistic emotional China bashing.  Let's try to understand history in
>>>historical contexts and work for a promising future.
>>
>>  Oh, there, did your parents give you some nerve of humour?
>>  try to read the original post again, you may have smell defferent
>>  scent. -)
> 
> I agree, some of them can't get it even with the presence of lots of
> ;-> simileys.  

*** Eh, guys, cool off.  Does not everyone have a right to express an opinion?
Does everyone have to look at things from the same perspective?  Please do not
bash anyone just because he or she does not see things your way.  After all,
this is a free country.  If you want everything your way, you are bound to
suffer.  Come on, be more rational and open-minded. "Different" is not always
bad, and "same" is not always good, either.   Ahhh, again, just an opinion.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:23:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan6.192821.532@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>In article <9301060231.AA02384@thames.bu.edu> lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>(my stuff deleted)
>
>How about Yi2 zi3 zhi1 mao2 (Use your own sword)
>Jiang1 zi3 zhi1 deng2 (onto your own shield).

You are certainly welcome!!! If you convinced me that there is something
MaoDun in my message, I ceratinly will donate to SOS as my "Wang Yang Bu
Lao" for next generation. How about yourself?

Where is your "Jiang1" from? This proverb has several acceptable
expressions:

Yi3 (or Jiang1) zi3 zhi1 mao2
Gong (or Xian) zi3 zhi1 dun

But what do you mean by Yi2 zi3 zhi1 mao2, Jiang1 zi3 zhi1 deng2?
Kind to explain? This is only a small example how important education
is. I suggest you to follow other netters, do something helpful.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Looking for .....    ( A Joke, don't be too serious)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:25:59 GMT

                            
                           
Q:  Why there is always someone `looking for people'?

                      ___/                |
                      --+---    ----/     |
                        |          /      |
A: Because they have  --+--       |      / \
                       /          |     /   \
                      /____\     \|    /     \ .


( A joke, nothing but a joke, if you cannot smile then
  ignore it, no hard feelings involved. Anyway, Chinese
  New Year is coming, let's have a temp cease-fire - put 
  up your weapons and make a few jokes. )
From: hchen@csvaxd.csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: help---read HXWZ in Msdos
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:59:08 GMT
Organization: Cleveland State University

In article <C0rEJ5.3sx@cs.dal.ca>, lian@cs.dal.ca (Li An YUAN ) writes:
> 
>   Hi,  does anyone know how to read HXWZ in Msdos? 
>   I try to read HXWZ in Msdos, but it doesn't work, please 
>   tell me what's wrong with it. Thanks in advance!
> 
>       1. obtain PKZ110EU.EXE and UUCODE16.ZIP by ftp
>       2. unpack them
>       3. save the HXWZ file ( email ) as a new file, say TRY.
> 
>       then, I try in two ways:
> 
>       1. type TRY
> 
>       2. uucode TRY and type it
> 
>   -- Li An
>      lian@cs.dal.ca
> 
  you can FTP 192.55.187.25 and get the file of byx.readme under the subdir of
/src/pc/byx/. by reading this file, you can know what you need to read hxwz on
pc (msdos). good luck.

hongjie chen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: gliu@iti.org (Guo Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Re: Guangxi massscre (Re: Cannib
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:37:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Reply-To: gliu@plasma.oz.au (Guo Liu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: plasma.physics.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1993Jan8.153350.4234@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
> 	In article "re: Guangx1 massacre" posted by Steven Lin, he listed the
> numbers compiled from different newspapers of people killed by the CCP.  One
> has to ask two critical questions: (1) How accurate are those numbers? and (2)
> How relible are the resources?

  KMT are all liars.  S.Lin is a KMT.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Vectorized Chinese Font Lib
Keywords: Chinese Font Vector
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:02:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1349
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C0AuH2.M6v@cs.mcgill.ca> haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:
>   With your effort in vectorizing some 2,700 odd word, could you tell
>us about the average storage requirement for a vectorized character in
>comparison with the traditional method? 

Among the 2700 word (frequently used in CCLIB.16), it takes LESS storage
than 16x16 bitmap.  Each word end with a 0.  If on 256x256 dimention, it
will about double 16x16 font file in size - still less than a 24x24 font
file.  I have a program to analyse (average strokes etc.).

I'll defintely work on it if I can get a vector font with describtion on
the format (or without description :-) as long as it is in PD domain.

-- 
Want to write in Chinese on PC?  Get dngdng12.zip from 130.49.2.61 in
directory /pub/incoming.  With it, you can post in Chinese too.
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Link bet'n math skill and linguistic characteristics
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:26:52 GMT

>In article <1993Jan4> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>4. Newsfeature: Study Says Math Easier in Chinese ......... 78

>>COLUMBIA, Mo. U.S.A. -- Little Johnny can't add as quickly as students in
>>China because his language has more tongue-tying arithmetic words, a new
>>study suggests.
>> 
>>And even the slight difference between the pronunciation of the Chinese word
>>"yi" and its English translation "one" contributes to a math gap that the
>>study says puts China's elementary school students ahead of those in the
>>United States.
>> 

I have a question about the Math history of China.  I read a
book called  "The Main Stream of World Civilization" a couple years
back.  I remembered it mentioned that it was a milestone in
science in Western Civilization to change from hexadecimal system 
(base is 16) to decimal system (base 10).  The decimal system
use Arab numbers (such as "0 1 2 ",which is actually invented in India).

Recently I have been reading some ancient Chines articles.  I
have found that people use decimal system in around 330 B.C.
(about 2200 years back).  For example, fifty five (in Chinese,
i.e., wu2 shi2 wu2).   

The question is wether our ancesters were using decimal system
through out the known history of our civilization.

Yaoen Zhang
zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu
From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:12:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zygote.hsc.usc.edu


In <6JAN199313401440@elroy.uh.edu>, math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Luo, Youngping)
writes:

>Why is Tiawan after all these weapons for?  A naval blockade would do
>the job.

To prevent a possible naval blockade. :-)

>I myself though is against any military means to resolve the
>situation.

Me too.

>However, I think Taiwan is becoming too heavily armed today.

Oh, I don't think so. Until recently, Taiwanese were using the
out-of-date F104 fighter jets. That jet was nicknamed "widow-
producer" (Gua3 fu4 zhi4 zao4 ji1) because it was so bad and had
such a high accident rate. It is good that there will likely be
fewer widows in Taiwan in the future.

>I wonder what makes them think the mainland will attack in the first place.

Tanks on TAM square on 6.4.89.

>Secondly, if the red China did attack, which would be a stupid move, how
>could Taiwan escape from being beaten regardless how many F-16's Mirage-
>2000's they've got?

Taiwan unlikely will survive the attack, but people in Taiwan
want to make sure that PRC will pay a heavy price which they hope
will discourage PRC from launching such an attack.

>Why can people just live peacefully and be nice to each
>other?

Can't agree more.

>So stop fight each other, stop building
>up military forces for the purely imaginary "attack" from nowhere.
>Take it easy and relax!

No, "Wang4 Zhan4 Bi4 Wei2" (a country will be in danger if she
forgets what war is). Sunzi in his "Arts of Wars" (Sun1 Zi3 Bing1
Fa3) told us that people should "Xian1 wei2 bu4 ke3 sheng4, yi3
dai4 di2 zhi1 ke3 sheng4" (if you want to win the war, you'd
better make sure that you will not be conquered first). Millitary
build-up for Taiwan is like "Xian1 wei2 bu4 ke3 sheng4" (be
prepared so that one will not be conquered)


****Ren2 wei2 dao1 cu2, wo3 wei2 yu2 rou4.     -Fan2 kui4, Han dynasty.
(People are the knives and I am the meat.)
From: luo@usl.usl.com (Hong Luo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:59:20 -0500
Organization: Unix System Labs. Summit NJ
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: kerkie.usl.com

test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:02:13 GMT

In article <106134@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <C0Ctwy.F1w@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <93004.090512YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> YUL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
>>>(deleted)
>>We should not have whole sale Westen style "democracy", it should be
>>discraminately selelcted to serve China.
>
>It sounds right, but the problem is: who is in charge of such selecting?
>Zhang ZhiDong suggested this "discraminately selelction" 100 years ago,
>and Lu Xun repeated this 60 years ago, and Mao selectively got Stalinism:-(
>
Actually it has been ongoing discussion within current establishment in China,
in and outside CCP. I do believe the selectors should cover as broad ax
possible, but at same time, decipline and requirement for competence and
loyalty to China should also be put forth on those who have voice in the
process.
>Put history aside, could you please answer me this question?
>
>-- 
>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
>Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.


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