Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Illegal activities by Zoro.Cis.Temple.Edu and Zaphiris Christidis
From: briand@anasaz (Brian Douglass)
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:43:47 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Aug12.191612.13922@news2.cis.umn.edu> cosar@micro.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar) writes:
>In article <Aug11.164653.28285@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> zaphiri@watson.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>I posted the article <1992Aug07.001034.35840@watson.ibm.com> in scg,
>>where I advertised about the anonymous ftp site "zoro.cis.temple.edu"
>>having pictures of the known net.personna Hasan Mutlu. 'Mutlu' in his
>><9208062059.A9546dr@anadolu.michigan.com> was the only netter who
>>followed-up to my article with his usual attitude and style.
>
>Don't you see anything wrong with publicizing pictures of a person,
>who has been targeted by Armenian terrorists in quite recent past,
>and endangering his life even more?

If they didn't already know what he looked like, how would they have
targeted him?  Besides, we have a little piece of paper in this country
called the Constitution.  It allows people to do silly things like publish
pictures and make asses of themselves by speaking their mind.  Such a
document and rights may be an unsettling idea back in wherever its you're
from, but we enjoy it.

>I am saving your admission to these activities by Zaphiris Christidis
>and zoro.cis.temple's involvement, you can be sure about that.

For what dire consequences?!?!?!?!?!?  We're all aghast at your power!

>>Predictably enough, the requests for anonymous ftp's at that particular
>>node started arriving. As it was natural, most of the ip connections were
>>monitored at "zoro.cis.temple.edu". One of the first customers was..
>>-you guessed it-, your "good" old friend Cosar. The following lines
>>starting with a "%" character, are parts of the "ftp" logs from
>>"zoro.cis.temple.edu", accompanied with user information.
>
>I don't understand why you are complaining about ftp connections after
>admitting that you yourself publicized zoro.cis.temple.edu. 

Well if English is your second language, I'll let you off on this one.  If
not, then I'll explain it S L O W L Y.  H E ' S  S I M P L Y  R E P L A Y I N G
  T H E  C H A I N  O F  E V E N T S.  Get that, or do I need to repeat?

>How about
>the fact that zoro.cis.temple.edu is an educational site and shouldn't
>have anything to do with your dirty tricks?

What dirty tricks?  What did he lie about?  Unlike you, going about forging
people's signature over your own deeds,  Christidis did what he said was
going to do.  He posted the pictures and then watched you try to muck with
them, eventually leading him to catch you doing your DIRTY TRICKS!

>>where he had changed the sub-directory "/pub/mutlu" to "/pub/ ?zaphiris".
>>I just thought that he wanted to play tricks like an amateur. That was
>>just OK by me. I saw it from two different points of view. Either Cosar
>>was a good sport and he wanted games, or he wanted to eat a bait.
>>I thought he was a sport, as he did not destroy any files, but he must
>>have figured out that I had copies already. He continued playing in:
>
>I don't need your fantasies Zaphiris, whatever you "thought" is
>irrelevant. 

Like any of us believe your's or "mutla" are relevent?  

>The only relevant thing is that you have been giving
>out pictures of a person who has been subjected to terrorist attacks
>by Armenian terrorists recently. 

So where's the FBI?  Why isn't "mutla" hiding?  Get real.

>When/if an Armenian terrorist is
>caught with a copy of the material you have placed in zoro.cis.temple
>illegally, you and zoro.cis.temple will be in deep trouble.

From who?  Turkish terrorists/tyrants/tirades?  You're in the wrong country,
fella.  Such threats are met with a YAWN in this country.

>>He did not have any luck changing the directory, but he realized
>>that he can write in it. So he shifted into his next plan, biting a
>>bait as a moron. Cosar was warned that "every move he made was followed
>>step by step". The warning was left in a file named "cosar.txt" and
>>in a directory named "/pub/cosar". However, he had chosen to ignore
>>all the warnings. He made sure he was not ..followed, and moved
>>some porno "gif" files in the directory "/pub/mutlu" naming
>>them "zaph*.gif".
>
>Let me see. You created a world writable FTP directory (which is a dumb
>thing to do first of all), publicized the ftp address, zoro.cis.temple.edu,
>put "gif" files into a directory and now you are complaining that despite
>"warnings" in "cosar.txt" "some porno gifs" were moved in this very directory
>that you have particularly created with world-writable access rights?
>
>BTW, are these some samples of your "warnings?"
>
>	"please deposit your *.gif picture in the directory"
>	
>	"In any case, you can try as many tricks as you like"
>
>Oboy, you have some "warnings" there, don't you?

Goebbels would be quite proud of you for such a vituperative counter-argument
completely void of truth.  Propose a counter interpretation of events with
plenty of vile and beratement in order to hide the lack of substance.
Stupendous propaganda!  Bravo!  The Goebbels trophy goes to you.

>>blunder of his life: He FORGED a message with my user
>>ID, and the domain "IBM.WATSON.COM", and he posted it in one of
>
>It is "watson.ibm.com", I guess you don't even know your e-mail
>address, or are you someone forging Zaphiris' messages?

Yes, folks, he still has a perfect batting average.  This time he begins
with misdirection foray.  He makes it sound like he's defending himself
against the charge of forgery (A Federal offense), when in actuality he
is finishing by accusing the accuser!  Tally Ho!

>>investigation. I demand a public apology from Cosar, for using my
>>user ID and node name illegally. If he does not do this, I seek advise from
>
>Look who is talking about "illegally?" You wanted to play games with
>ftp/Usenet and ended up with a bleeding nose. Now you are crying "faul"
>all over Usenet and asking for "apology", where is your "honesty" and
>"responsibility?"

"Boo!  Hiss" Come the cry from the crowds.  He blew it on this one.  Instead of
using the Righteous Indignation (Not Bucky O'hares ship in the Toad wars.
Come to think of it, this could seen as the Toad wars) technique, and
demanding an apology from Christidis, Cosar blew it and used Doubtful
Integrity instead.  After using Accusing the Accuser the Goebbels Rules of
Propaganda clearly state you must use RI and clearly paint the accuser as the
villian and demand punishment.   Cosar will lose a lot of points for that one 
folks.  He may even lose, I hate to say it, his "mutla" privledges.

>>But nothing illegal here. The logs just show that he is "dead guilty",
>>and a public apology is in order.
>
>On the other hand I strongly urge you to delete the directories you
>have created on zoro.cis.temple.edu and hope that Armenian terrorists
>don't have access to FTP. 

Nah.  Now that you've posted your address all over, and Christidis has
clarified it, those Armenian terrorist will just hunt you down and beat
the shit of you until you tell them were mutla is.  Dey donn need na
stinkin' foto iny more.  Dey got yuu!  Boy, I sure wouldn't
want to be in your shoes.  They might be behind any corner, in your house
when you come home with the lights off, in the back-seat of your car.
You'll have to be as careful as women today trying to avoid getting rape.  Be on
the alert every place you go, never getting a chance to rest.  Gee, I feel
sorry for you fella, but YOU of all people know just how tricky those
Armenian Terrorist can be.  I suggest you take a long vacation some place 
where you can't be found, like maybe back home?  And don't post for, at
least year.  If you do start posting again, those Armenian Terrorists will
just track you down play roto-rotor with your asshole.  

Well, good luck, and stay safe.  And if they do catch you, then make it
safe sex.

> After that you can come forward like a decent
>person and apologize from Mutlu for your tricks.

Belated RI.  Give back the Goebbels award and go read Mein Kampf again.
And I don't want you to post anymore until realized what your propagandist
mistakes were.  Then you can have another chance.  If you come back to soon,
then I'll be forced to take away your Brown shirt and Storm Trooper boots.

>>Regards,
>
>You shouldn't blame people for the results of a situation you have
>brought upon yourself Zaphiris, which you did quite willingly and even
>cheerfully.

Good use of people instead of the more truthful word you.  This does well
and paints Zaphiris as "Me against the World" type.  Too little too late,
perhaps, but a good try anyway.

>--
>   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
>Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________


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