HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Spreading the word to !clue vendors...
Keywords: Nice folks, but window-centric
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:53:53 GMT


VERRRRY nice, Shag.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: baileff@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.a.meese..jr)
Subject: New Offering and couple of Bugs.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:37:50 GMT
Keywords: ClipArt



A comment about the New offering!

I have been using GeoWorks over a year and think it is great.
I do a monthly newsletter and two flyer yearly.  I also use it to
generate forms including tournament draw sheet I need.

It easy to use and a great value for what you get.  But, the latest
offering is another story.  There is nothing wrong with the product
but I think the price is out of range.  Anyone can get the complete
GeoWorks package mailorder for around $124.  So how could 400 pieces
of clipart be worth $70?  One of the big attractions for GeoWorks is
the great value, so to the people at the top, either lower the price
or offer more.

I am looking forward to third party add-ons.  I hope that the authors
kept in mind the above when setting their price.


Bug Report:

GeoDraw: Text that is fully justified is slightly chopped off on the right side.

GeoManager: I have used GeoManger to transfer files between 5 1/4 to
            3 1/2 disks.  If one 5 1/4 disk is used repeatly each time with 
            different files, GeoManager will not display the new files the 
            second time of using the disk.  It reports correctly the amount 
            of free disk space but does not display any of the files.


Happy user,
Butch Meese, Indianapolis
From: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: pcgeos under NeXT SoftPC ???
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1e70g1INNfar
Reply-To: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

> 	So is it possible to run GEOS under SoftPC for NeXT?
> 
> 	According to the propaganda on the SoftPC box,  the 
> performance of SoftPC is comparable to that of a 286@10Mhz.
> EGA graphics, extended/expanded memory capabilities.i]iqhm..
> I have heard that graphic programs execute VERY slowly under
> SoftPC, but GEOS is one snappy piece of software!
> 
> 	If GEOS did run under UNIX SoftPCs, perhaps you could
> use some variation on Geoworks inhouse UNIX-based development tools,
> and test your GEOS programs on a virtual PC.  That would be really cool.
> This is obviously just speculation.

I use a NeXT every day, as a matter of fact, that is how I read and post  
to this group.  (That's right, I'm typing on one right now.)  From what I  
know about SoftPC and GEOS, there is no way it will run on the NeXT.   
Geoworks is a little to picky about memory locations and device drivers to  
let itself be run under a software PC emulation.  I could be wrong about  
this, but I don't think so.  I don't have access to a personal NeXT to try  
it out on (all of ours are NeXTworked together), but I'd love to hear  
ofany successful results. 

Hope this helps,

Me 
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilmour@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Jeffrey R. Gilmour)
Subject: GEOS MultiMedia?
Reply-To: gilmour@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:10:26 GMT

I was wondering where Geoworks stands on multimedia.  Are they planning on
putting anything out on it?  Obviously, Windows has quite a lead & I think
multi-media is going to drive a lot of people to those companies that sup-
port it.  Comments?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: shawmd@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael D Shaw)
Subject: COMDEX INFO on GEOS???
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:06:10 GMT


Has anyone (mainly John :) ) got any info on Geoworks showing at COMDEX last
week?  If not, anyone ;) know who or what Geoworks department to contact about
getting some GEOS COMDEX info?????

Mike Shaw
shawmd@gn.ecn.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: FREE Geos ESCAPE offer -- info!!!!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:14:56 GMT

During the second week of September (first week of classes of the fall
semester) the was a post card in our University Newspaper that offered
a FREE copy of the GeoWorks ESCAPE package with the purchase of 
GeoWorks PRO.
 
All you had to do was send the card in with a copy of your GeoWorks 
PRO receipt before December.  You also had to circle the price you 
paid for PRO on the copy of the receipt.
 
I mailed in the card on September 19th and I never heard back.  Heck, 
it's been 2 months!
 
The address to mail it to was:
 
IBM Canada
PO BOX 657
North York, Ont
M3C 9Z9
 
Does anybody know about this offer?  Or does anyone have a phone # for
IBM in North York?  (I have a 1-800 # for IBM in Montreal)
 
Help -- I want my ESCAPE!
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: New Offering and couple of Bugs.
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:52:17 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>I wonder if GEOS supports 'changeline' (ie being able to tell if the drive door
>has been opened) if it does, then there must be a setting we haven't set
>somewhere... If It doesn't then add it to the 'what we hope for in 2.0' list...
>Most modern drives support changeline...

Of course, GEOS would have to sense whether a drive supported it, too, since
a lot of people use GEOS on systems that don't have what I'd call "modern
drives" ;)  

-Shag

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From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: font note
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:16:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

I'm not sure if someone mentionned this b4, but the font broadway-normal
from the archives, is the same as superb current part of geoworks, and since
superb seems to be a bit better defined, you may want to keep it.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Math co-pros
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:00:47 GMT

In article <Nov.22.19.11.59.1992.6092@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>I don't have a coprocessor (despite my computer being a couple CPU generations
>old, the coprocessors still cost almost as much as the latest ones) yet...

I haven't particularly looked in the last year or so but the prices had
taken a fairly big fall awhile back but since the market for the FPUs is
relatively small and those that really need them *really* need them, Intel
and the rest can keep relatively high margins on them. :-(

>What functions of GEOS would be (will be in the future) accelerated by a
>co-processor?  I'm not really informed on how math-dependent various aspects
>of an OS and GUI are.

Well, in talking about *math* co-processors the answer is... nothing in the
current packages.  Most people use some variation of fixed point math for
speed intensive tasks (e.g., most graphics).  The main reason to provide is
so that people doing truly mathematical types of things can have full
support for the FPU (Floating Point Unit) (e.g., Mathematica, Auto-Cad).

The biggest place where any co-processor is helpful is in video. If you
hadn't already noticed, many video board manufacturers have gone to various
levels of coprocessing for there MS Windows boards.  The trick there is to
have very well written video drivers.  The board manufacturers are
optimizing there designs around the Windows feature set and so are seeing
incredible speed gains over the traditional (S)VGA chipsets (under MSW).
Many of those boards have basically foresaken the regular DOS screen and so
usually only show small improvements under DOS.

Hope this helps,
		John
		johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Same ol' thang...  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: starnet!apple!igd.fhg.de!neuss@grot.starconn.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: lines in imported picts
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:21:47 GMT


rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:

>A friend of mine recently scanned in a picture and then imported it to
>Geoworks. The image showed up fine in Geodraw to start, but when he
>shrank the image down, lines started to delevop in it. They were an
>evenly spaced grid, like an overlay pattern.
This will *always* happen if a greyscale or color pic is being rasterized
and then resized. Kinda goes like this:
  1. You scan in a picture
  2. The scan software converts shades of grey to raster by using either
     a dither matrix or error diffusion
  3. Now, if you resize the picture, moiree effects begin to show.
It won't help much if you use other software like Graphics Workshop.
It'll look a bit better, but the aliasing is still there.

Me dad happens to use a scanner plus GeoWorks for making his slides,
so we have a little experience. One workaround is to create a grey scale
picture. They do not produce aliasing when resized, but require more space.
Also, we have been unable to produce a goodlooking greyscale tiff that works
under GEOS, but that may be the scanning SW's fault. The best results you
get like this:
  * Use the scan SW for resizing (if possible)
  * OR use a different scanning resolution, e.g. 200 instead of 300 dpi
  * OR scan in as greyscale, then use a softwaretool like GraphicsWorkshop
    to 1. resize 2. rasterize
  * Try to use "compressed tiff" if possible. That reduces the memory that
    GeoDraw allocates, thus enhancing speed and reducing swapping. Do *not*
    use PCX format (works, but it's *alot* slower).
Always try to make sure you do not have to resize an already rasterized pic.

Ok, hope that helped. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions.
Greetings,
Chris
/*
 *  Christian Neuss  %  neuss@igd.fhg.de  %  ..in the humdrum
 */
  

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: future of geoworks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:38:27 GMT

In article <10336@tetons.idaho.amdahl.com> gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell) writes:
>Much as I like geoworks, my opinion is that it will fade away into
>oblivion much like Digital Research's GEM.  The similarities are
>amazing - a technically advanced product, an operating environment
>with a few medium-strength applications, no third-party support
>(yes I know it's "coming", but you can't live on vapor forever),
>produced by a corporate David competing with Goliath. 

Good points.  How many years was it from when MS Windows v1.0 was released
and when it was actually a good product?  I'd concede that some people
found v3.0 useful but I'd (personally) consider v3.1 as their first
actually usable version of Windows.

>Geoworks' major problems are market momentum for Windows, lack of
>marketing skill, and lack of third-party support.  Witness the lack
>of a booth at COMDEX as evidence of their lack of marketing savvy 
>- I don't care if they had nothing new to show, at least get the
>name and product out where people will see it!  Third-party applications
>late in the game, such as Ventura Publisher including the GEM 
>environment with their product, don't appear to help the product
>too much either.

Who says it's too late in the game?  As has been rehashed hear and on AOL,
there have been many reasons changes in schedule.

I wouldn't say that GeoWorks has a marketing department that's lacking.
It's a matter of applying the appropriate amount of energy (read: money) to
produce the largest effect.

>I hope I'm proven wrong, but that's the way I see it.  I would guess
>that after version 2.0 has come out, this newsgroup will have a whole
>new set of readers.  The diehard geonuts will have long since given
>up on ever seeing version 2 and gone to an environment that is well-
>supported by commercial products and shareware; the new readers will
>be people introduced to geoworks for the first time as version 2.

Well, that's certainly up to you.  I hope that even if you choose to go
somewhere else in the meantime that you at least give GeoWorks a look when
v2.0 comes out.  Obviously I'm biased but I think that you'd be missing a
great product.  GeoWorks definitely understands the anxiousness of it's
current users and is doing everything it can.

Thanks for you patience and support,
				John
				johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Standard disclaimers apply.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: pcgeos under NeXT SoftPC ???
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:24:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


> 	So is it possible to run GEOS under SoftPC for NeXT?
> 
> 	According to the propaganda on the SoftPC box,  the 
> performance of SoftPC is comparable to that of a 286@10Mhz.
> EGA graphics, extended/expanded memory capabilities.i]iqhm..
> I have heard that graphic programs execute VERY slowly under
> SoftPC, but GEOS is one snappy piece of software!
> 
> 	If GEOS did run under UNIX SoftPCs, perhaps you could
> use some variation on Geoworks inhouse UNIX-based development tools,
> and test your GEOS programs on a virtual PC.  That would be really cool.
> This is obviously just speculation.

I use a NeXT every day, as a matter of fact, that is how I read and post  
to this group.  (That's right, I'm typing on one right now.)  From what I  
know about SoftPC and GEOS, there is no way it will run on the NeXT.   
Geoworks is a little to picky about memory locations and device drivers to  
let itself be run under a software PC emulation.  I could be wrong about  
this, but I don't think so.  I don't have access to a personal NeXT to try  
it out on (all of ours are NeXTworked together), but I'd love to hear  
ofany successful results. 

Hope this helps,

Me 
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:54:09 -0500 
From: "Calvin D. Swartzentruber" <cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: future of geoworks

I know none of you readers have an open window into the mind of the
president of GW, or know what the market will do with this program, but
I would think that someone out there would have some idea about the
answers to these questions I am wondering about.

Anyway, on to my questions.  First of all, where do you think GW is
headed.  Will it always be confined to the barest of alternative
categories, do you think it will someday get major third party support,
or what?  I know it has been getting more press recently (*My* PC
Sources just had an article on environments, and gave it good reviews),
but just about all reviews bemoan its lack of third party support.  I
have approached this problem by thinking that GWE is just an excellent
suite of applications with a super environment thrown in for *free*. 
However, someday I would like to be able to approach it as GW is a
tremendous operating system, and look at all the great apps for it. 
Perhaps with the release of development tools this problem will be
solved.

Also, what are your thoughts on the possibility of major third party
support (ie. will we ever see a Quattro Pro for PCGeos).  I know in the
FAQ that was recently posted said that apps for Windows could be ported
to Geoworks but a "slow bloated Windows application would probably also
make a slow bloated Geoworks application," and I don't want that. 
However, if the application is designed specifically for PCGeos it
should run well under it, I would think.  If Lotus can make a
spreadsheet run *well* in Dos, Windows, Macintosh, OS/2 2.0, and Unix,
couldn't they make it run well in Geos also?

Last question is, what direction do you readers think Geoworks will be
moving in the future.  Will we ever see a 32 bit PCGeos, or how about a
bootable version of the program?  Also, any other thoughts or
information anyone has about things that might be showing up in a
Geoworks 3.0 or 4.0 would be appreciated.  Thanks for your time, and
thanks to anyone who replies.

Calvin
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Where to put icons
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:17:28 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:

>I just downloaded all the icon stuff of the geoworks archives. I just have
>one question, which directory should I put the icon files in? 

It doesn't really matter, believe it or not. :)  Wherever you put them, you
should be able to move into that directory [folder] and have GEOS add them
automatically.  Personally, I keep all of mine in C:\GEOWORKS\ICON, but 
that's just a matter of taste.

-Shag
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From: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: pcgeos under NeXT SoftPC ???
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:20:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

> 	So is it possible to run GEOS under SoftPC for NeXT?
> 
> 	According to the propaganda on the SoftPC box,  the 
> performance of SoftPC is comparable to that of a 286@10Mhz.
> EGA graphics, extended/expanded memory capabilities.i]iqhm..
> I have heard that graphic programs execute VERY slowly under
> SoftPC, but GEOS is one snappy piece of software!
> 
> 	If GEOS did run under UNIX SoftPCs, perhaps you could
> use some variation on Geoworks inhouse UNIX-based development tools,
> and test your GEOS programs on a virtual PC.  That would be really cool.
> This is obviously just speculation.

I use a NeXT every day, as a matter of fact, that is how I read and post  
to this group.  (That's right, I'm typing on one right now.)  From what I  
know about SoftPC and GEOS, there is no way it will run on the NeXT.   
Geoworks is a little to picky about memory locations and device drivers to  
let itself be run under a software PC emulation.  I could be wrong about  
this, but I don't think so.  I don't have access to a personal NeXT to try  
it out on (all of ours are NeXTworked together), but I'd love to hear  
ofany successful results. 

Hope this helps,

Me
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Another GeoPostcard...
Keywords: Clipart
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:19:26 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

I (Shag) wrote:

>Well, just in time for the holidays, the postcard arrived announcing tons of
>clip art for GEOS.  Looks nice, though, well, I don't have a printer, so...
>oh well. :)  

Just read the postcard. "GeoWorks Art Library II - The Holiday Collection"
comes with "BONUS decorative letter alphabets."

Are these "decorative letter alphabets" in the form of clip art, or fonts?

-Shag
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: future of geoworks
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:59:28 GMT

I would tend to agree.  The reasons that geoworks has not been 
compared to os/2 and windows is that the sdk is still not out
yet.  Once people start building a huge shareware base, then 
it will be accepted as an os, and not just an integrated package

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu

still anxiously awaiting the geos 2.0 sdk...

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano)
Subject: Re: pcgeos under NeXT SoftPC ???
Reply-To: chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:46:44 GMT

In article <1e70o1INNfbs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, joneswd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (William D. Jones) writes:
> 
> > 	So is it possible to run GEOS under SoftPC for NeXT?
> 
> I use a NeXT every day, as a matter of fact, that is how I read and post  
> to this group.  (That's right, I'm typing on one right now.)  From what I  
> know about SoftPC and GEOS, there is no way it will run on the NeXT.   
> Geoworks is a little to picky about memory locations and device drivers to  
> let itself be run under a software PC emulation.  I could be wrong about  
> this, but I don't think so.  I don't have access to a personal NeXT to try  
> it out on (all of ours are NeXTworked together), but I'd love to hear  
> ofany successful results. 

     I have successfully run Geos under SoftPC running on a SPARC 2GX and
SunOS 4.1.2.  It ran fine.  If something is advertised as a PC emulator, I'd
be bothered if it didn't perform as advertised and run PC software!

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From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GEOS and PC-NFS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:46:10 -0600
Organization: Coffee R Us
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu


Has anyone successfully loaded GeoWorks Pro and PC-NFS 4.0 at the same
time?  I'm not getting anywhere with these two, under DR-DOS 6.0; GEOS
will always crash.

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