From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: NO MORE ILLEGAL WORKERS, PLEASE !!!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:32:11 GMT

thtee@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu wrote:
: Hi all Netters;
:  
: 	I just recieved a news from my parents. It says  that the illegal
: Indonesian Workers involved in a crime which killed two residents in my home
: town and raped a Malay girl which is just fifteen years old. These kind of 
: crimes is not new for us any more, but why, the police or the government
:  seems not taking actions that there are suppose to do.
: 
: 	One thing that I have known for sure is that most of the illegal
                                                     ^^^^
So you admit not all of them are muslims.
: Indonesians are Muslim. That probably is the reason for our government
                               ^^^^^^^^
You are safe here if you use probably.

: to keep those people in our land. I don't believe on the explanation which was
: given by the government says that our country  needs skilled and cheap workers.

Where do you get your info that the indonesians are skilled workers? Can you
give us your source. I do not seem to recall any mention of this.

: If we really need some skilled workers, the best workers to keep, are not those

If we really need those skilled workers.

: crazy Indonesians, but those refugees in Pulau Pilong(?) who I believe will
What skill those Chinese Vietnamese in Pulau Pilong have apart from being
hawkers? Was vietnam a very industrialised and economically prosperous nation?

: certainly more skillful than those Indonesian. 
Indonesia is more industrialised than Vietnam so what makes you think the
indonesians are not skilled. Indonesian agriculture is also more advanced than
Vietnam.
	Unless you presume that ALL CHINESE ARE SKILLED.
: 
:            According to our new policy, any Illegal Indonesian Workers in
: Malaysia who has stayed in Malaysia for more than tree days, can apply for
: working permit and than go further to apply the red color Identity card.
:  For those refugees in Pulau Pilong, they can only accepted by Malaysia 
: unless they convert to Islam or in the other word, become a Muslim. 

How there are also a lot of non-muslim Indonesian legal/illegal immigrants as
you had admitted?

: 
: 	Can anybody tell me in what sence those Illegal Indonesian can
: contribute to the development of our country. Most of employers using those
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^
: illegal Workers because  it is true that those worker are certainly 
: cheaper than the local legal worker; but in the long term it seems does not
: help because those illegal worker will bring all the have earn back to their to
: their country. That means the currency of our country will flow out and later
: affect our entire economy circle. Once our economy become weeker, the price of

The currency which flow out will be offset by the amout of products produced by
the workers either for export or local consumption. It is due to the demands
by Malaysians to have cheap services/goods.

: those raw materia will certainlly drop. This means that those employer will not
: save their money by employing those Illegal worker. In long term, they will
: just loosing more than what they have save. 
I agree with your last 2 sentences but not the way you explain it. Refer to my
articles on productivity. If you still do not understand, read a lot of
Fortune Magazine articles.

: 
: 	In addition, just look at what those illegal workers have done to 
: our society. They become robber, killer, theif, and involve in all kinds of
: crimes. Why we still want to keep them in our lands ? Just because there are
: Muslim or because they are cheapper worker ? 

How would the immigrants survive in Malaysia if they are not employed? You admit
that there are employers are prefer illegal immigrants. These employers,
mostly chinese, say that the immigrants are more hard-working etc. Imagine what
happen when the Government impose a tax of RM 1 per day, these same employers
say that they will employ locals. This case happen in Sabah, with the most
expensive labour price in Malaysia.

Just because some of them are robbers etc. do not mean that ALL of them are.
Just as there are some local chinese armed robbers do not mean that ALL chinese
are armed robbers.

Criminals have enterprising minds, they can even be legal immigrants or even
tourists. Surely we need tourists don't we? Why do you have to pretend to be
illegal immigrants when you can do it easier by being tourists? If you were
really a PROFESSIONAL criminal.

: 
: 	PLEASE WAKE UP ALL MALAYSIANS !!! TELL OUR GOVERNMENT WE DO NOT WANT
: THOSE ILLEGAL WORKERS ANY MORE. FOR YOUR OWN ADVANTAGES, OUR SOCIETY, AND OUR
: LAND, PLEASE KICK THEM OUT.
Right! Not just muslims but also chinese. Stop the employers from employing
legal or illegal immigrants, not by force but by taxing the EMPLOYERS!
NOT by taxing the illegal immigrants, like what is being proposed by the mostly
chinese employers! ISN'T IT EASIER TO TAX THE EMPLOYERS, like SINGAPORE!

How do we kick them out? One way is presented above but it is another
interesting thread by itself.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
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