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From: andy@mercury.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Re: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:07:26 GMT

In article <Sep14.082925.17245@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>
>Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
>him is climbing.  Seems like Prost is the villain for '93, but I'd still
>like to see him back in winning form.
>
  I didn't see this interview, could someone summerise what he said
please?

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From: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Hodges)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,ba.sports
Subject: anyone tape the Mid-Ohio IndyCar Race?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:22:11 GMT
Followup-To: hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU
Distribution: ba
Organization: DSO, Stanford University

Other things got in the way and I didn't manage to get the Mid-Ohio IndyCar Race taped this last sunday. If anyone did and is willing to loan me a tape, it'd be neat. Thanks,

Jeff Hodges
hodges@Breakaway.Stanford.EDU
415-723-2452
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:57:57 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep11.131312.1@vax1.tcd.ie> scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>In article <10702296.12.716186870@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
>>Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
>>Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
>>next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?
>> 
>Yamaha, as it turned out, were at the time looking for a chassis manufacturer
>with whom they could participate in a long-term development project for their
>V12. Jordan were looking for an engine manufacturer who would guarantee them
>their best attention, and Jordan-Yamaha came to being. I think that most would
>agree with me that there is still *some* development to be done (although the 
>chassis is reportedly superb as it is).

Apparently Yamaha are now getting a bit of help from John Judd's Engine
Developments Organisation.  I expect Jordan to stay with Yamaha into
next year.  Jordan have to hope that getting another fifty horsepower
doesn't find flaws in their chassis.

IMHO one of the problems with Jordan has been that the drivers are
discouraged and don't expect to go quickly. I think Stefano Modena is a
driver with a lot more talent than he has been showing of late.  If he
had been paired with a committed driver in the Warwick/Alesi/Berger
mould, I think he would have gone faster.  I'm not saying that they
could have broken into the top ten, but I think they could have qualified
better than of late.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Respect for Senna (was: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:05:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes) writes:
>From article <Sep14.082925.17245@engr.washington.edu>, by (eliot):
>> 
>> Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
>> him is climbing.  
>
>I didn't see a post race interview with Senna, but my respect for Senna
>(never very high--has nothing to do with his driving ability) dropped
>like a rock when I found out that Mansel would not be driving for
>Williams next year and that a big part of it was because of Senna's
>publicly blowing off at the mouth.  In the U.S., publicly interferring
>with another man's bargining process would be grounds for a lawsuit.

Just like a good American.  Got a problem.  Try a lawsuit.

Look at what happened.  Team Willy offers Mansell less money because Senna
says he will race for free.  Mansell says, OK, hire Senna then.  Team Willy
does not take Senna up on his offer.  Seems to me like Senna did Mansell
a favor by providing an opportunity for Team Willy to show its sliminess.

If Mansell was telling the truth about an agreement being made before
Senna's remarks, then Team Willy took back the offer because of the
remarks, Team Willy is the bad guy.

alan
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Ferrari to use Brian Hart engines in '93
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:40:41 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

According to ESPN, the rumour is that John Barnard has suggested
to Ferrari that they use Hart engines in '93.  I must say, I have
never heard a more far-fetched one. 

Dan Jones
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From: koopman@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Koopman)
Subject: Re: F1: Schumacher's gearbox technique
Keywords: Hey, let's talk about racing for a while, instead of politics.
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:40:07 GMT

In <lb9mfcINN9o9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware) writes:


>huge kick out of listening to Schumacher on the in-car as he
>downshifted for corners. Rather than blipping the throttle and running
>down the box (e.g., <blip> 6-5, <blip> 5-4, etc.), it appeared to me
>as if he simply does a MAMMOTH blip (right up against the rev-limiter-
>the RL indicator light comes on on the dash!), and pulls against the
>lever until... WHAM he has the gear. And he did this all race long- he
 (etc.)

Actually, in the good old manual 5-speed gbx days, most drivers used
to shift down that way at corners like the terrifying Tarzan at
Zandvoort. Manfred Winkelhock was one of the few to use a multiple 
blip technique, which in his case consisted of five blips in very
rapid succession with ever increasing max rpm. Since he only shifted
down from (already) 6th to 2nd, each blib cannot be associated with
an individual gearchange. 

Williams and Ferrari drivers have complained of having to go through 
every gear since this forced them to either brake earlier, or shift
during cornering, which was rather tricky with the early semi-automatic
gbxes. For that reason, the Ferrari steering wheel has been equipped
with a third lever that allowed the driver to skip gears. The rapid
evolution of the gbxes soon made this lever redundant. 
Williams (and Jordan) could (can) not install such a lever, since they
have motorcycle style gbxes.
If braking technology evolves faster than gearbox technology, it
may be necessary to return to the gear skipping technique. The 
McLaren gearbox and throttle management are already compatible with
this technique.

Now that we are on the subject of gearboxes; Saubers C12 does not have
a semi-automatic gbx but the driver does change by pushing buttons.
An electro-hydraulic servo system then changes the gear, but the
Karl and Jyrky still have to operate the clutch (and throttle)
themselves.

Rob Koopman (Utrecht Univ. Netherlands)
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Subject: Re: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 16:04:24 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <1992Sep14.062921.19841@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
says:
>
>In article <1992Sep14.044731.16017@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony    )
>Doig
>writes:
>>Also, Mansells comments that he was going to "give" the race to Patrese
>>anyway (he said this after he went out) seemed a bit weird.  If he was
>>going to do that, why did he race off at the start ?  Why did Patrese
>>catch up 13 seconds (or whatever it was) in one lap.  This seems like a
>>bit of Mansell-speak.  Mansell was going for his 9th win, after all.
>>Why would he let Patrese win ?
>
>Exactly. Here we have classic Mansell-speak, this tendency to come up
>with a false excuse for anything untowards that happens to him, or his
>car, regardless of whether it's his fault or not. This time I believe
>it was clear to everyone that it was not his fault.
>
What I think that has happened:  Mansell tried to win, then had
trouble in traffic, then was passed by Patrese, then set the 1st and
3rd fastest laps (thereby making a fool of the BBC commentators who kept
on speculating on Mansell having lost HP as the reason of loosing the
lead), then thinking of excuses (I wanted to give Patrese a win),
then retiring because of car failure.
 
Frans
From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:13:46 GMT

In article  (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>Here's my Wednesday hunches, all probably wrong:
>
>Ganassi will go with Luyendyk and Gordon
>Shierson/Patrick will pick up Cheever
>Galles will stay with Unser and Sullivan
>Bernstein will work with Pruett
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The word around Red Roof and Truesports is that this is not going to
happen. They think that Bernstein will go with Guerrero (sp?).
Although there probably wrong too.



				...Dan West



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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: NASCAR Shuffle
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:20:26 GMT

Latest on the homefront:

- Dick Trickle will drive for the Rahmoc team next season.
- Sterling Marlin expected to replace Trickle at Stavola Bros.
- Stavola will lose Snickers sponsorship but will pick up Raybestos
- Bobby Hillin and car owner Martin Birrane might get the Stickers $.
- Mark Martin and Jack Roush have inked a new three year deal between
themselves and Valvoline.  Further, Jack's deal with Dallenbach is for
six years.

Also, several team owners, including Petty, Childress, Sebates are
talking that things would be better if NASCAR adopted race team
franchises.  It's unlikely that NASCAR would approve at this time.

-c'ball-

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Andretti at McLaren
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:33:48 GMT


In article <memo.627383@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
|>
|>Unfortunately even Mario will not be able to overcome a rather
|>lacklustre chassis and an inevitably brand new engine/chassis package
|>with all the attendant unreliability.

MARIO???  It's Michael Andretti who will be driving for McLaren next year.
He will have one advantage:  the rest of the F1 crowd will be learning how to
cope with the new narrow tires.  Michael has been racing IndyCars on tires with
that width for years.

I agree that the whole combination of McLaren's good (but not great) chassis,
brand new engine, and the new rules will probably mean this is a consolidation
year for McLaren.  Ron Dennis probably views it as a good opportunity to pick
up a new driver while they're at it.

--PSW
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From: ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg)
Subject: Mansell goes to Indycars
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:15:11 GMT


This just in...i saw it on my local sports channel,RDS.

Mansell will be filling Micheal Andretti's seat at Newman Haas. As well
Ron Dennis has scheduled a press conference for friday in
Diepholz....Looks like he's getting BMWs.

Frank williams said Mansell has only himself to blame for being forced out
of F1,stating that he was offered several different lucrative contracts.

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From: ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg)
Subject: McLaren to use BMW V-10
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:55:42 GMT


    On my local sports channel,they mentioned during the recap of F1
qualifying that Ron Dennis already has the BMW engine lined up for  next
year and it is only a matter of seeing where Senna decides to go before
the announcement is made.

    It makes sense to me,Dennis is no dummy, he wouldn't of waited so long
without having a good backup plan.

    As well, Carl Haas was asked if he had a replacement for Micheal A.
Yet and he responded by saying the deal is done it just needs to be put on
paper.When asked who it was,he said ....." He ain't from this part of the
world.." When the reporteer asked hime if he was from F1, Carl said
...."you can call him a rookie,but he ain't no rookie.." Followed by a big
smile and a bite on his cigar.
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Stuff
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:42:32 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


Hi racers.

Patrese's car actually failed at the rear end not the front. The two
Hydrawalic (sp) rams about an inch and half in diameter failed to
get any signals and blew themselves apart. Hensc the rear of the car
dragging down on the track and the front stuck up. The default of
the system is full up.

Getting back to having to have a Brit in the team is quite simple,
a lot of small companies such as Sabelt for example are British
companies and as such would like a Brit in the team. They have no
say in this at all but everything has to be taken into consideration.
That and the fact that Karen the receptionist has had hundreds of
abusive telephone calls demanding to speak to Frankie baby about
Nigel's position. So if a Brit was to sign up it may help his
situation and Brundle is GOOD.

Only Renault, Elf and Canon are foreign sponsors and the Canon
money comes from Holland, not from Japan.

More when i know.

Alan
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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Cale Y. (was Re: NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:36:00 GMT

>It's possible we will see not only Bobby but also Cale Yarborough
>back behind the wheel next year.  

So Cale finally found a driver he can't fire!

David
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From: jsykes@dadd.ti.com (Jonathan Sykes)
Subject: Re: Mansell quits F1 !!!! GOOD RIDDENS
Reply-To: jsykes@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:46:07 GMT

Here are a couple of extracts form the London Times:

    "...He was facing a pay-cut of about 50 per cent next season, however,
    and it is hard not to believe that salary was the central issue. 
    Sources at Williams  confirmed that the problem was not over the
    "comfort zone" - the provision of privilages and facilities in the last
    year that Mansell feels have helped him win the world title, but over
    salaries."

    "...Williams is clearly determined to protect the interests of a team
    he founded and still runs.  This season, more than any other,
    technological advantages have made the team's car all-but invincible
    and further research seems to have been a greater priority than
    securing Mansell's services."

IMHO I would not be pleased if I had won two championships for my team
and then got offered a pay cut. I don't see how you can assume courage
has anything to do with it - why should he race for Williams? I don't
think FW agreeing to Prost's contract is good for F1 either. Prost is
basically trying to make sure he has no competition next season. I hope
Bennetton prove him wrong. I am not about to say anyone is a better
driver than another - just that the way Williams has treated both
Mansell and Patrese stinks. I'm glad Patrese is getting out.


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Jon Sykes                                                   jsykes@dadd.ti.com
Design Automation Div.                                          (214) 997-2916
Texas Instruments Inc. Dallas, Tx.        

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Pruett to WC?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:38:52 GMT

and then yesteday they also mentioned that Scott Pruett may
have something cooking in Winston Cup next year.....

.....and I really DON'T believe it has something to do with Bud!

the beer, that is.  

but there is Bud, as in Moore.....

-c'ball-

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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:46:44 GMT

In article <yqtnslp@lynx.unm.edu> wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto) writes:
>IMS would consider a person is champion at every form of auto racing but
>never raced at Indy, a rookie.  It is the most arrogant of american race
>tracks in that respect.  Beyond that, besides taking a few basic tests, being
>a rookie doesn't exactly always mean much, no one treated Piquet like a rookie.
>I had gotten the opinion that most of the drivers was glad he was there, that
>a former F1 champion added class to the field and it was a shame that he
>crashed like he did.

I'm so tempted to say something snide... but I won't.

But the fact is there are few tracks with as little margin for error,
and as much emphasis on balls-to-the-walls driving and all-out speed,
as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
little margin for error.

With all due respect to Nelson Piquet, who certainly has earned his
place in motor racing history as a World Champion, the mistake that
put him into the wall (and Methodist Hospital) was due to
unfamiliarity with the track and the conditions... in other words, a
ROOKIE mistake.

(I also think AJ Foyt had the "Bonehead Move of the Race" this year:
he was the one who pinched Arie Luyendyk down to the apron in Turn 4,
bringing about Arie's crash.  How's that for hero worship?)

I call 'em like I see 'em.  EVERY driver makes mistakes.  Some of them
are less obvious, or have less painful consequences, than others.  But
no one's perfect.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Unabashed Indy (and Indy car) fan
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:50:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.173335.4291@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:
>yup. Barbra Trueman decided a couple of months ago that the Eagle
>chassis was too expensive to continue,

eagle!?  that name is dan gurney's property (for race cars, at least.)

richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Stuff
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:47:44 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


Hi Racers

Well i am not going to say "i told you so" but quite simply I TOLD YOU SO.

What am i on about, well remember a few months back i said there would
be a Frenchman in car no.5  and i also said that Mansell would retire
from F1.   Watch my lips,  I dont tell porkys.

Right now for another bit of info.  What about Martin Brundle at Williams.

Let me say that Frankie baby has been a dickhead, but he has got to get
a Brit in his team from somewhere and who better than Martin Brundle, no
way can he have Damon Hill as he cant sell him to sponsors.

Also Frankie and Nige were apparantly miles away from reaching an agreement
even down to things like how many hotel rooms he could have. We all know
he was on 8.5 million dollars for each of the last two years but to be 
offered less than that was a bit of an insult, but what was even more
pissing off for nigel was they could not agree (supposdly) about what
currency he would be paid in.

All in all a BIG cock up all round will see Nige in America next year.

Ah well life goes on.

Bye for now
Alan
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re:    NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:54:26 GMT

From article <9SEP199211391035@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, by scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY):
>> 
>>According to the report in this morning's Anderson(SC) Independent-Mail, Hut
>>will drive the #22 Maxwell House Thunderbird for Junior Johnson next year,
>>with Sterling Marlin going to the Stavola brothers' #8 Snickers T-Bird.  I  
>>seem to recall reading recently that Snickers and Bobby Hillin were confirmed
>>with the Stavola team for two more years, but this report seems to leave Hillin
>>without a ride, at least for the moment.
> 
> Did I miss something here?  Hillin left the Stavola brothers a while back, 
> with Dick Trickle at the wheel of the Snicker's T-Bird the majority of the 
> year.  What's happenin' to Dick?
> 
> JD
 
 
Nah, you didn't miss anything.  I just seem to have Bobby stuck in my head as
the Stavola's driver.  I think it's because a young cousin of mine bought one
of those little teddy bears with a Snicker's t-shirt on and named it Bobby
because Bobby Hillin was driving the Snickers car at that time.  Minor oops.


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu




Nah, you didn 
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Bruins free-agent camp question...
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.181113.15361@den.mmc.com> hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood) writes:
>|> not a chance.  jordan's going to drive in the second Menard seat
>|> at indy, but he doesn't have a ride for the rest of the year.
>|> 
>
>	WHAT!  And here I thought he was going to drive for the Hudson
>F1 team...
>
Absolutely unfounded.  There's no way anybody over 5'8" would come close
to fitting into the HMI Terraplane.

-c'ball-
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:07:06 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <7aRNqB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:

[regarding Little Al and F1 negotiations]
|>
|>It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
|>available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.

Why is that pushing it a bit?  Other F1 teams let their drivers drive at Le
Mans.

--PSW
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From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:38:50 GMT

From article <1992Sep10.163801.6008@ncube.com>, by bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe):
> 
> And just to remind everyone of the fact, Piquet's 'rookie mistake' was
> getting out of the power much too quickly when the yellow came out.
> 'Course this year, the basically the same mistake was made by some vets
> as well.
> 
> -c'ball-
> 
Seemed to me that the mistake so many of those vets made was getting into the
power a bit too quickly after that big yellow light went dark.  Everybody in
the backstretch stands gave a big cheer whenever Michael came by on the    
restart and the light going into Turn Three stayed green.  


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu



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