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From: sohara@ldgo.columbia.edu (suzanne ohara)
Subject: Re: Tatting
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:39:34 GMT


I have been tatting for many years and am very happy to see that so
many people are interested in learning. There are many books on tatting
in the Dover Press Catalog. I think that all the Dover PRess books
on tatting are under $5 and they have quite a selection of patterns.
I have also seen a learn to tat book in the hirshner's catalog. It comes
with a large shuttle that should be easier to use for beginners. 

I would be glad to help someone learn if they are in my area, but it
sounds like you are quite far away. Tatting was very popular in
the past and if you ask older people you may know or call a nursing
home you may be able to find someone who would love to teach you and
make a friend at the same time. I think that learning to tat would
be easier with someone showing you, but I am sure, with patience, it
would be possible to learn on your own.

Good luck, Suzanne
From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Ever heard of Craft Report Mag
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:53:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: blacks.bkt.721965198
Distribution: usa
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes) writes:


>Hello,
>    I got an advertisment for a subscription to a magazine called 
>"Craft Report".  It seems to be targeted for crafts people who sell
>their wares.

>    Has anybody ever heard of or seen this Magizine?  Is it worth $24
>a year?

Does it say how much the single-copy price is?  If you send that amount
to the magazine, they'll probably be glad to send you a sample copy
to help you decide.

Please post the info (single-copy price and magazine address) here--
I'm kind of interested myself.
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From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Any dippers out there?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:52:08 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov23.131011.23766@aoa.aoa.utc.com>,
carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) writes:
>In article <19506@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez006087@dale.ucdavis.edu
>writes:
>> Howdy folks, I've got a little problem I wanted to share with you.
>> You see, I dip all the time, I can't help it, I love the stuff...
>> if I could eat it I would.  Anyways, I have a problem with dipping
> x
>What is this shit? 
>You have an addiction which will probably cause lip and gum cancer
>and you want us to help you?
>Clean up your act and save your life.
>> I have to send this anonymously so that my mom won't find out.  I
>told
>> her I quit dipping, and I don't want her to find out through the net
>>> that I am still doing it <she's hi-tech too>.
>x
>Good for your mom.  Has it occurred to youy that  she might 
>be right?
>If I could, I'd email this to your MD and your health insurer.
>x
>x

Golly reverend, is the sermon over yet?

What an enlightened response. Grow up. I'm sure others could have a 
complaint about how YOU live. Do you drive? It's ruining the air. Do 
you shower? It wastes water. Do you eat processed food?? Do 
you................. (etc.)

Who do you think you are, the moral majority??
 
>
>-- 
>Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
>aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
>54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
>"My Karma just ran over my Dogma!"

Yeah, and it left a bloody nasty mess all over the net!!


Don't tread on me..........................................I bite
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Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Phil OKunewick)
Subject: Re: bell caps and rocks
Organization: Random, at best
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:02:56 GMT

wangc@cpsc.UCalgary.ca (Carol Wang) writes:
>i recently came up with the idea of making a bracelet with small
>(.5-1cm long) polished rocks dangling from it.  when discussing this
>idea with my local rock and lapidary establishment employee, they
>suggested bell caps and epoxy.  the problem with this (i think) is the
>smoothness of the polished rocks (the epoxy instructions say that you
>should roughen the surfaces before gluing) since 2 of my rocks have
>come away from their bell caps (yes, i did wait the 16hrs the epoxy
>instructions said was needed for the glue to set).  i'd hate to have
>to scratch up the rocks before gluing, and am not sure how i would go
>about doing that since most are at least as hard as quartz.
>
>am i wrong?  is there a remedy?  is drilling difficult and expensive 
>(the drill itself, ruined rocks . . .)?

   Quartz has a hardness of 7, which is pretty high.  This will kill
most metal drill bits.  Impatience with a tougher drill bit will kill
the rest - you'd probably have to use a tiny diamond drill mounted in
a very steady drill press, and spend several minutes drilling the
tiniest distance into rock.  Too much pressure will break the bit or
crack the rock.  I don't know if they make diamond drills that small,
but if they do then the drill will likely cost more than you want to
pay.

   But quartz can be scratched with anything 7 or higher on the scale
- for instance, Quartz.  Silica sand paper should be able to rough it
up.  You want to completely dull the finish at the glue point, not
just leave it with a scratched appearance.  400-grit paper should do
the job for you - a lot of microscopic scratches will give you a
better holding surface than a few big scratches, if the glue soaks
into the grooves.

   Did you use 5-minute or 2-hour epoxy?  5-minute epoxy sets awfully
quickly; as a result it doesn't soak into all the little nicks and
pores very well.

   Another option is to use an adhesive that stays flexible, and will
stretch instead of breaking loose.  Perhaps you could try Liquid Nail
(available at building supplies).

   You could also get silver wire and make framing baskets for the
stones, instead of gluing caps on.

   Last note - to avoid losing gemstones, try breaking them off before
you wear the jewelry.  It'll be better to have the glue pop off now,
than sometime in the future when you don't notice it.
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Re: bell caps and rocks
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:26:52 EST

In article <1eciakINNu9@agate.berkeley.edu> cheryl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cheryl Trooskin) writes:
>>i recently came up with the idea of making a bracelet with small
>If you are not too attached to the idea of using bell caps and rock
>chips, you can consider half-drilled stones with eye screws or anything
>else with a pin.  You still have to use epoxy to bond the stones on, but


Wheres a source to get half-drilled stones? (rock or semi-pr or prec)
Or, how does one drill 'em.. I've tried using solid carbide drills
at both 1000 and 8000 rpm on amethyst... they go in about 1/64" and then
just don't penetrate further..
From: wrhogeb@srv.PacBell.COM (Bill Hogeboom)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Wreath supplies anyone?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:11:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <7158@news.duke.edu> greenleaf@bchm.biochem.duke.edu writes:
>
> Hi!
>
>I'm looking for a good, cheap source for wreath-making supplies, specifically
>straw wreaths 12", 14", or 16" and floral pins (for anchoring things to the
>wreath forms.  I called one place and the woman I talked to had no idea what I
>was describing when I said floral pins.  And the wreaths were WAY more
>expensive than my local craft store or Wal Mart.  The problem I'm having is
>that the places I go are ALWAYS out of what I want.  I don't understand how
>they can restock something by putting up less than 10 of an item.  Plus the
>people that work in the store hoard seasonally popular supplies before
>customers even get a chance.  They admit they buy it all up! What can I do? 
>
>Thank you.  I feel better now.
>
>Andrea Skantar
>glab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu
nAlong the same line, I am looking for an inexpensive source of pine
cones in the San Francisco area. My wife and I try to make two or
three pine cone wreaths each year as gifts and are having trouble
finding an affordable source in the area this year.
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From: ez006087@dale.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc,rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.radio.cb,soc.net-people
Subject: Any dippers out there?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:20:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.crafts.misc
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


 
 Howdy folks, I've got a little problem I wanted to share with you.
 You see, I dip all the time, I can't help it, I love the stuff...
 if I could eat it I would.  Anyways, I have a problem with dipping
 my Copenhagen while I'm at my computer.  When using my ole' spit cup,
 I inevitably get some spit-juice-tobacco bits on my hand and then
 it just finds its way to my keyboard.  Being hi-tech and all, I want
 to keep my keys working for a long long time.  So I came up with this
 idea of mounting a spittoon on my monitor or pc.  What I was wondering
 was if anybody has any experience in this matter and could offer a
 good ole boy some advice?
 
 I have to send this anonymously so that my mom won't find out.  I told
 her I quit dipping, and I don't want her to find out through the net 
 that I am still doing it <she's hi-tech too>.
 
 Any help would be much appreciated.
 
 thanks,
 Randy
From: 889thurman@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: making fans
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:25:19 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

This is in regards to the fans:

I was talking to someone at work and she makes decorative fans from 
wall paper!! they are really quite nice. Just a simple fanfold, open it up,
glue down on a wood base, add some decorative touches and its done.

hope this helps!!
Parri
From: as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS Radford)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Sugarcraft/dried flowers
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:12:14 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

Nice header and .signature - pity about the message!

Let's see if I can get it right this time!
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Have you heard of the new sugarcraft device called a 'SprayMaker'?

It greatly simplifies the making of cross-shaped sprays of sugar or
dried flowers for the top of cakes, etc., eliminating the messing
about with wire and tape that is so time-consuming.

It's marketed by Alison Proctor (who wrote those books on sugarcraft)
and only costs about $1.  I think it's great - if it hasn't yet
arrived in the States, hassle your supplier until it does!

-- 
  Arthur Radford
  University of the West of England      -------------------------------
  BRISTOL, BS16 1QY, UK                	      Esperanto parolata
  as_radfo@uk.ac.uwe.csd                 -------------------------------
From: greenleaf@bchm.biochem.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Wreath supplies anyone?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:52:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: biochem


 Hi!

I'm looking for a good, cheap source for wreath-making supplies, specifically
straw wreaths 12", 14", or 16" and floral pins (for anchoring things to the
wreath forms.  I called one place and the woman I talked to had no idea what I
was describing when I said floral pins.  And the wreaths were WAY more
expensive than my local craft store or Wal Mart.  The problem I'm having is
that the places I go are ALWAYS out of what I want.  I don't understand how
they can restock something by putting up less than 10 of an item.  Plus the
people that work in the store hoard seasonally popular supplies before
customers even get a chance.  They admit they buy it all up! What can I do? 

Thank you.  I feel better now.

Andrea Skantar
glab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: taylor@stsci.edu
Subject: Open House and Studio Sale this weekend in Balt/D.C. area
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:06:41 GMT

************** Attention Crafts Lovers **************

	       OPEN HOUSE & STUDIO SALE

Featuring:

Sue Taylor - Pottery
Pierette Ashcroft - Polymer Clay Jewelry
Denise Vauthier - Batik
Deborah Barbour and \  Scents and
Cludia Seipp        /  Dried Wreathes
Susan Kitchen - Stitchery
Jeanne Treschuk - Fiber

Date: Sat. Nov. 21 11am-4pm
      Sun. Nov. 22 12pm-4pm

Place: Silver Spring, MD  (Directions to follow)

Directions from D.C. Beltway:

Take Beltway to New Hampshire Ave North (towards White Oak)
Right on Overlook (1 block past Powder Mill Rd)
Left on Greenacres (at stop sign)
Left on Mantz Rd. (top of hill)
Last house on the right - 10621 Mantz Rd.

If you have any questions feel free to contact me (Patrick Taylor) at:

e-mail: TAYLOR@STSCI.EDU
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From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Re: Books on metal casting techniques
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:42:31 EST

In article <1eq4jtINNa46@manuel.anu.edu.au> Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au writes:
>I am particularly interested in working with Aluminium and possibly bronze.
>Is the "lost wax process" viable in home workshop?
Yes,
ALuminum is easy, just be sure to use a heatd mold as it cools VERY fast and
would plug up otherwise

Bronze is sorta hard to melt in large quantities, but charcoal and 
forced air will develop enough heat, barely. Coal would be better,
although I haven't tried coal yet.. too much of a pain to find.

when working with more than an ounce or so of bronze, be very careful
about things such as spillage, planning safety measures such as
"if this spills, where will it flow?", etc, as a pound or so of
2000 degree bronze flowing like water towards your feet is NOT something
you want to see... and don't try it inside as bronze fumes will make
From: Joe.Miles@anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Books on metal casting techniques
Date: 23 Nov 1992 08:26:37 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.54.29

What are some good books on casting techniques as might be applicable to a home
workshop for making small castings.

I am particularly interested in working with Aluminium and possibly bronze.

Is the "lost wax process" viable in home workshop?

Any comments would be appreciated.


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From: myk30@diag.amdahl.com (Manveen Kalyanpur)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Recipe for making soap
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:53:04 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


	I noticed some people posted info about making soaps. I never knew
one could make soap at home. It sounds like an interesting idea and something
which would be a lot of fun to do. Could anyone please post a basic recipe
so I can get an idea of how involved the process is. And also where would 
one obtain the supplies from.
	Thanks in advance.
-Manveen
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: Any dippers out there?
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:10:11 GMT

In article <19506@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez006087@dale.ucdavis.edu writes:
> Howdy folks, I've got a little problem I wanted to share with you.
> You see, I dip all the time, I can't help it, I love the stuff...
> if I could eat it I would.  Anyways, I have a problem with dipping
 x
What is this shit? 
You have an addiction which will probably cause lip and gum cancer
and you want us to help you?
Clean up your act and save your life.
> I have to send this anonymously so that my mom won't find out.  I told
> her I quit dipping, and I don't want her to find out through the net 
> that I am still doing it <she's hi-tech too>.
x
Good for your mom.  Has it occurred to youy that  she might 
be right?
If I could, I'd email this to your MD and your health insurer.
x
x

-- 
Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
"My Karma just ran over my Dogma!"
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
From: mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey)
Subject: Re: Kegging with other than CO2
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:05:40 GMT

In article <16220038@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> bault@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bob Ault) writes:
>You guys aren't being very creative.
>
>How about helium - after belting down a couple of pints you
>would burp and sound like Micky Mouse. Everyone could
>tell when you had had too much and it wouldn't be because
>your speech was slurred.

Not a bad idea, inert gas.  The only problem is that helium molecules
slip out of normal tanks, so you pay big bucks for your kegs...

- Iain -
-- 
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Software Designer              |  world..." - Carry on up the Khyber
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8999 Nelson Way, Burnaby, BC   |  glad when it's done" - One Scot to another
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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: HB contest?
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

Does anyone know of any upcoming homebrew contests and information about 
them?


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford,               +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+          Liverpool...never walk alone     +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Corona mills
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:10:27 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Nov19.102114.8994@ac.dal.ca> ech@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>	Just to add a little more quibbling, I might point out here the
>problem is semantic, and not physical.  Yes, a roller mill crushes the
>
I believe I stated clearly that it was his choice of words that I was
quibbling..  ergo your lecture about semantics is redundant.  


grain, and a plate mill grinds the grain.  What both do in their different
>ways is to CRACK the grain, and this is what we want.  A roller mill is
>nice and efficient, at the moment a plate mill is significantly cheaper and
>requires a bit more elbow grease.  Both devices crack the grain adequately.
>	So there.

Yes, they do both crack the grain adequately.  However, that is only half
the requirements of a proper maltmill.  The other half is that while
"cracking" the grain adequately, it must not shred the husks excessively and
while this is impossible in a roller mill, it is a given in a grinder and the
only way of controlling it is to minimize it at the expense of a finer crush.
Again, just another way of saying a compromise.

js
p.s.  Fine crush is not evil, it is desired for maximum conversion.   Flour
i.e. extremely fine dust is bad if excessive but again this stuff is produced
in a grinder not a roller mill.
jjs

>	Ed
>
>


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From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Brewing With Friends
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.054701.23513@nmt.edu> jking@nmt.edu ('Admiral JC') writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.181659.18938@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>
>>
>>If you'll allow me to discourse a bit:  I have a philosophy I
>>call 'carry-on luggage philosophy'.  While everyone else at the 
>>airport is getting stuff taken away from them (the 1-item-per-person rule)
>>I never have any trouble taking 1, 2, 3,...however many pieces 
>>of carry on luggage on a plane that I want to take. The secret? 
>>It has three parts: (1) never NEVER ask anyone 'is this ok?', 
>>(2) act like you have complete authority for what you do, and 
>>finally (3) if all else fails, -- hide it.
>>
>>I find this works well for most aspects of life :)
>>
>
>   Not to be mean here.. but isn't that awefully similar to the way DOE
>dealt with envionmental concerns up until a year or so ago??

Sigh, I guess all articles need to have smileys posted every other
line.  This was a weak attempt at humor folks, no need to take it
seriously.  Heck, I invented it when I wrote the post.  It's not
how I live my live as some people have thought.  HUMOR -- OK?

I thought it was obvious that I'm not a lawyer so I certainly didn't
intend for anyone to take it seriously.

>
>   I need to know the legal aspects since 1) This is a club, not a private
>individual and thus more visible.  2) We are not incorporate, nor will we
>ever be and thus as an individual I am easily subject to liability and such.
>And 3) This is not a good time in my life for me to be doing anything under
>the covers so to speak...

My post was humor, but with a small grain of truth.  I've heard lots
of stories of people getting in trouble with low level beaurocrats
for asking if something was ok.  Turns out these things were perfectly
legal and/or normal but the beaurocrat didn't know it and caused
great grief until things were sorted out.  Make sure you talk to
a knowlegeable person.  I'd be worried that someone might make
a knee-jerk reaction when hearing 'home-brewing' or 'alcohol
production'.

Again, I'm no lawyer, don't encourage you to even bend the
law, don't mean to suggest anything here, and certainly don't
want to inject humor anywhere.

Julie
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
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