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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.063322.99660@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> cej0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES EDWARD JAMES) writes:
>OK if you are for women in men's locker rooms then how about men in women's
>locker rooms afte r tennis matches etc.

The issue is not women in men's locker rooms, nor men in women's locker
rooms.  The issue is, do *all* reporters, male and female, have equal
access to the athletes?  Many of the professional team sports have chosen
to admit all reporters to the locker rooms to ensure this, while many of
the professional individual sports have chosen to admit no reporters to the
locker rooms, and instead have a separate interview room.  The only people
I'm aware of who are opposed to the idea of an interview room are male
sports reporters.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: jeff@smoggy.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:43:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In <1992Dec19.222310.29315@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:

>Good point. I am not even bothering to predict what kind of year
>Boggs is going to have because, asside from his injuries, one
>cannot really generalize as to how Yankee Stadium differs from 
>Fenway Park. Remember that Boggs is living in a whole different world
>now; it's not just the park that has changes- it's his whole life. There
>are many more factors than just the park change that go into what kind\
>of year he will have.

Yeah, most of them bad.  Boggs doesn't seem like an exceptionally
stable person and the pressure he's going to get in New York when he
hits .280 is going to be unbearable.  Steinbrenner will be back and
disavow any input in his signing and call him something unprintable.
What his reaction to this will be, I don't know, but I doubt very much
that it will help his playing.  Alternatively, Steinbrenner will suddenly
become reasonable, Mattingly will snap back to the 1980s, Boggs will be
batting champion, and the Yankees will win the world series.  You never
know.  (Except maybe about Steinbrenner, I guess.)
				--Jeff
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From: jim@math.concord.wvnet.edu (Jim Johnston)
Subject: Re: SABR national address and phone?
Organization: Mathematics Department, Concord College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.231658.16502@news2.cis.umn.edu> khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ()

>Does anyone know the address and/or phone number to contact for membership
>info to SABR?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-------------------------------------
>Kevin Hansen


The phone number is 216-575-0500.  Their address is

SABR
PO Box 93183
Cleveland, OH 44101

It's an address/phone number I kind of keep near me since I'm their 
Computerization Committee Chair. :)

Jim Johnston
Asst. Prof of CS
Concord College
Athens, WV
From: jeff@smoggy.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Wearing Out Pitchers
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:23:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: smoggy.gg.caltech.edu

>What surprises me is that we don't see more of this in the age of 
>free agency.  I don't see any reason to protect Juan Guzman's arm
>so that he can pitch well at the age of 32 for another team, other
>than the possibility that if you get enough of a reputation for it,
>pitchers might be unwilling to sign for your team.  But teams only
>have the player for the first six years (three under the latest
>possibility).  Seems counterproductive not to run them hard now,
>when in the long term they're just going to be pitching against you.

It looks as if managers are doing just that.  I think it is
well-understood by many baseball men that overusing your 20-24
year old pitchers tends to destroy them.  They don't seem to be
stopping doing it.  One can assume either ignorance or apathy.
(I have both: I don't know and I don't care.)  I suspect that
it is really the latter, but stated as the former.  Clubs just
deny that burnout occurs so that they can continue to destroy
young pitchers when it really is silly not to do so.  What amazes
me is that I have never heard a PITCHER say anything about 
protecting his arm.  Supposedly, Orel Hershiser is an intelligent
young man (so says the LA media hype,) but when he was pitching
so awesomely The September, and when LaSorda was pitching him nine
innnings every game plus random relief appearances, a bunch of us 
openly stated that his arm would not survive the ordeal.  Surprise,
it didn't.  If Hershiser is, in fact, an intelligent man, why didn't
HE protect his future earning power by admitting to being tired 
a little earlier?  Sure, it isn't done in the big leagues, you have
to be able "to take it," but what's the point of pitching the 9th
when the team is up 8-2?  Save your arm for tomorrow.
				--Jeff
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: santiago signs with marlins
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:17:33 GMT



Benito the "superstar" [only in his mind] got what he wanted; play with a
'contender' [for last place]. 

Then, at the press conference, he blamed the San Diego media and fans for
his problems. 

Yes, Benito, the fans were the reason you don't run out ground balls,
the media was the reason you swing at 3-0 pitches in the dirt, the fans are the
reason you try to pull *EVERY* pitch thrown to you, the fans are the reason you
swing for the fences when all that the TEAM needs is you to make contact, 
the media was the reason you rarely take a walk for the team, the fans are
the reason you seem to lead all catchers in errors every season..



_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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From: ts@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Ruschak)
Subject: Brett Boone
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:36:52 GMT

In article <AwS=GYC@engin.umich.edu> chyang@metaphor.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	Now Seattle has young Bret Boon at the second base.  He came 
>from the Boon lineage in Baseball and he seems to be a solid player.

	What's so special about him? I know baseball is in love with sons
of old players, which can be good or bad, but still, what's good about him?
I didn't get to see him play last year, so all I have to go on is his age
(21?), and his stats:

BATTERS   BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS  E
BOONE,B .194  .318  .224  33 129  15  25  41  4  0  4  15   4  34  1  1  6

	I don't see anything special there, even considering his age... 6
errors in 33 games... What kinda stats did he have in the minors? (I'm just
trying to figure out what all the hoopla was about)

Tom
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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Maynard Ex Ante
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:12:58 GMT

In <franjion.724661541@spot.Colorado.EDU> franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes:

>maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>>In <1992Dec17.212616.1708@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>>>In article <1992Dec17.134730.11702@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>>>Rog, darling, are you saying that, right now, right this minute, every
>>>team in baseball has 27-1 odds against winning the World Series in 1993?
>>>That the Blue Jays and Rockies have about equivalent chances of winning
>>>the World Series?

>>Vegas odds are predictions of how people in general will bet.  They are 
>>not any kind of "scientific" prediction of how good a team is.

>>The true probability of any team's success is unknown if we cannot determine
>>all of the premisses.  And we can't.  That is exactly my point.  The true
>>odds of any team winning the WS cannot be determined.  Too many variables.

>This is amazing!  Roger, what is your problem?  Ted did NOT mention Las
>Vegas odds.  He did not.  He didn't.  Read it again.  He didn't.  The

Some people confuse the two.  If he wasn't confusing them there is no harm
done so hold onto your hat...

>*true* probability of a team's success is UNKNOWN???  Please explain
>what *true* probablility is.  I don't have any formal training in
>probabability or statistics, but what is so hard about recognizing

Neither do I but I suppose that is rather obvious...

>probabilities for what they are?  They don't express anything with
>certainty.  I suppose that you think that one team has a 100% chance of
>winning the WS, it's just that we don't have enough information,
>right?

Absolutely correct.  Bingo.  You got it.  We don't have enough information.
Now tell me - Who is the "best" team?  Who are the "best" players?  "Best"
is an absolute and "best" cannot be arrived at inductively.

a pleasure, as always,

rm

-- 
roger maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Winfield a TWIN!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:41:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.030810.19446@data-io.com> dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:

>Now Kirby doesn't have to worry about intentional walks (and stepping
>on the plate to swing!)

Somehow I don't think it sounds right for Puckett to become any more aggressive
at the plate than he already is...
>
>And we don't have to watch Larkin DH!

Well, he's a free agent anyway.  The guy that Winfield bumped out was perhaps
really Stanford alumnus David McCarty.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expos or Phillies?X
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:59:20 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Who will have a better team in 93: the Expos or Phillies?

Mail answers at iacurtop@ere.umontreal.ca


                 EXPOS                   PHILLIES
C                Tim Laker               Darren Daulton
1B               Greg Colbrunn           John Kruk
2B               Delino Deshields        Mickey Morandini
SS               Wil Cordero             Mariano Duncan
3B               Tim Wallach             Dave Hollins
LF               Moises Alou             Wes Chamberlain
CF               Marquis Grissom         Len Dykstra
RF               Larry Walker            Stan Javier

SP1              Dennis Martinez         Terry Mulholland
SP2              Ken Hill                Kurt Schilling
SP3              Chris Nabholz           Tommy Greene
SP4              Mike Gardiner           Danny Jackson
SP5              Ken Bottenfield         ???

R                Mel Rojas               Mitch Williams
R                John Wetteland          ?????
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: RISP
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:33:58 GMT
Organization: Boo! 

In <1gtkfbINN336@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>I'm sure someone can quickly answer this question.

>Are there players who consistently perform better (higher OBP and/or SLG) with
>runners in scoring position than without?

Well, it depends what you mean by consistently.  There are a few who've
hit better 8 out of 10 years.

I'll point out that mostly people have looked at BA, not OBP and SLG.  The
latter might be nice, but BA, while not important to know with OBP and SLG
if you want to measure overall performance, is an appropriate ability to
study with RISP.  

>Are there only a few of these players (ie the number you would expect to have
>from a reasonable distribution) ?

Yes, basically.

>How about the other end? Are there an alot of players who suck from year to
>year with RISP vs without ?

See above. 

The conclusion of every study regarding RISP that was not done by a publisher
trying to sell books filled with risp stats is:

1) The distribution of risp hitting is exactly the same as you would
expect if there is no special risp ability.

or

2) The distribution of risp hitting is really, really close to what you would
expect if there is no special ability, and if there is such an ability it
makes very, very little difference.

Greg
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Ryno talks (was Re: Atlanta Opening Day Starter)
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:25:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Dec16.175245.15171@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>Ryne Sandberg has been blasting Maddux to the press in the last few days.

What is he saying?  He just does not talk all that much and even less to
the press about other players.  What gives?

-- 
Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
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From: akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz)
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Organization: Johns Hopkins University - Homewood Academic Computing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:23:10 GMT

Good point. I am not even bothering to predict what kind of year
Boggs is going to have because, asside from his injuries, one
cannot really generalize as to how Yankee Stadium differs from 
Fenway Park. Remember that Boggs is living in a whole different world
now; it's not just the park that has changes- it's his whole life. There
are many more factors than just the park change that go into what kind\
of year he will have.


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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: SABR national address and phone?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:07:27 GMT
Organization: Boo! 

In <1992Dec11.161722.29777@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.231658.16502@news2.cis.umn.edu>, khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>|> Does anyone know the address and/or phone number to contact for membership
>|> info to SABR?

>		     Society For American Baseball Research
>		     PO Box 93183
>		     Cleveland, OH 44101

>		     (216)-575-0500

>Dues are $30 per year.

Actually, $35 these days, I believe.  But worth it.

Greg
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants rumored to name Dusty Baker mgr.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:25:39 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <92350.232739COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:

>Plain and simple, the Giants shouldn't have been there, but they were. Roger
>Craig was the reason they were there. Enough said..

>Bill

One anecdote does not an argument make, but I saw Roger Craig lose
the Giants a game once with his excessive maneuvering.  Here's the
scene:  Dunston on first, bottom of ninth, Wrigley, Hammaker pitching,
I think it was Hammaker.  Don't remember who was batting.  So 
Roger calls the pitchout on the first pitchout on the first
pitch.  Dunston ain't going nowhere.  Looked like he wasn't
even thinking about it.  So, second pitch, Dunston seems
to think stealing a base might be a good idea, Hammaker
tries to pick him off (again, called by Craig, of course),
he's back easily.  Then the pitch, another pitchout, Dunston
isn't even leaning.  So now it's a two and oh count, Atlee's
rattled, Dunston runs, catcher throws ball into center field,
Dunston goes to third, scores, ties game, then Cubs score 
again to win it.  

What I didn't like about the sequence was the sense I had right
from the beginning that Craig was trying to be "Roger Craig",
the guy everybody says likes to do unorthodox things.  The whole
thing about being unorthodox turned into its own orthodoxy, if
you know what I mean, and Craig would often seem to be fiddling
just for the sake of fiddling, on the basis of his "hunches",
rather than on thinking about anything.  It got pretty damn
predictable even before the World Series year (this scene
took place in 1988).  

I say the Giants are better off without him, and certainly
without his buddy Al, who did some nice dealing in 88 and 89
and then started signing Kevin Bass and Bud Black and Dave
Righetti!

Andrew 

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: fair is fair: i believe cone
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:36:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.182956.903@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>
>>There's no way the jays could afford to put up the 9 mil plus another 3mil in
>>salary, out of this years budget for cone or any player.
>
>The Blue Jays are owned by Labatts, eh?  I don't think Labatts is that
>bad off that if they really wanted to make a deal with Cone that they
>couldn't have figured something out to make sure he gets signed.

New York, Boston, Baltimore/Washington, and Detroit are all larger
markets than Toronto.

The Canadian dollar has fallen over 10% in just a year and a half...
almost all the Jays revenue (except for their share of MLB TV deal)
is in Canadian dollars, and almost all of their expenses are in
American dollars...10% of the revenue lost is pretty close to
$10 million dollars (a Cone and a half).

Labatts has lost market share with respect to Molsons recently
because of some poor product selection/innovation/restructuring
decisions.  Breweries in Canada are currently being forced to
undergo significant restructuring because archaic provincial laws
are being rewritten to conform to GATT, and are facing significant
new competition from American breweries, and micro-to-mini breweries
as a result, and the beer market has been mature and fairly flat.

The real estate conglomerate which owns Labatts which owns the
Blue Jays has been pretty hard hit by the recession also.

The Blue Jays may not have to make any money to satisfy their
corporate owners, but they certainly can't operate in such a
way as to lose money.

There is NO way the corporate owners, as opposed to the philanthropist
who owns the Royals, would allow a $9 million dollar signing bonus.
Carter was offered the same type of signing bonus that Cone was offered...
I'm amazed Carter turned down KC's offer.

The Blue Jays splurged in the last couple of years to try to go over
the top...they are now slowly go to retrench a bit, and rebuild their
farm system...Gillick will attempt to do enough to try to win it all next
year...but the Blue Jays extended themselves about as far as they
could extend themselve in the last couple of years...they can afford
a salary level of about $45 million, but that is the upper end of
the envelope...

Gerald
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: same name (WAS Re: Maddux signs with Braves (Was Re: Juan Guzman/STATS))
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:58:42 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Dec14.202814.2233@tc.fluke.COM> dbc@tc.fluke.COM (Dan Carson) writes:
>At least those are all names I have heard of outside of sports.  The one
>that always surprised me the most is Steve Ontiveros (pitcher for the A's)
>and Steve Ontiveros (Giants, Cubs, 3b, 1b, OF).  Are these guys related?

What's weird is that I went to school with a Steve Ontiveros in
the 70's - not related to either of the athletes!

-- 
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Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
From: jl6p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Josh S Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: '93 Royals Infield?
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:02:08 GMT
Organization: Freshman, IM - Graphic Communications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Jefferies may still be going to Toronto with Tom "Flash" Gordon for the
Yankees' Danny Tartabull (with Jack Morris going to the Yanks).
From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RISP
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

I'm sure someone can quickly answer this question.

Are there players who consistently perform better (higher OBP and/or SLG) with
runners in scoring position than without?

Are there only a few of these players (ie the number you would expect to have
from a reasonable distribution) ?

How about the other end? Are there an alot of players who suck from year to
year with RISP vs without ?

Thanks
Sam
From: cej0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES EDWARD JAMES)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:33:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <27285@sybase.sybase.com>, jeffl@houdini.sybase.com (Jeff Lichtman) w
rites:
>In article <1992Dec11.152058.25258@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot
.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>> In article <8DEC92.00475002@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>
>> )... most professional athletes are not averse to being viewed by
>> )strange women in casual circumstances.
>>
>> That's why they're sending the women reporters dead rats...
>
>Dave Kingman was the guy who sent the woman a dead rat.  Kingman is an
>insufferable jackass, which is one of the reasons he was traded so much.
>I think it is a mistake to consider his behavior as representative of the
>players as a whole.
>
>In my opinion, this business of women reporters in the locker rooms is a
>red herring, similar to the argument against the ERA that it would lead to
>unisex bathrooms (like the one in my house?).  If you start with the idea
>that sex discrimination is wrong, that women reporters should have equal
>access, then it is simply a matter of making this possible.  If athletes
>object to reporters of the "opposite" sex in their locker rooms, then
>set up a separate room for interviews, and do not let any interviews at
>all take place in the locker rooms.
>
>I don't really think such measures are necessary.  Haven't we all seen TV
>interviews done in locker rooms?  If ballplayers are willing to put up with
>TV cameras in their locker rooms, why not female reporters?
>---
>Jeff Lichtman at Sybase
>{mtxinu,pacbell}!sybase!jeffl  -or- jeffl@sybase.com
>"Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..."
>
OK if you are for women in men's locker rooms then how about men in women's
locker rooms afte r tennis matches etc.
-- 
Charles James
Lehigh University
CEJ0@Lehigh.EDU
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From: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com (David McCarroll)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 1993 Schedules??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:33:36 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: volga.intel.com
Originator: dmccarro@sedona


Have the 1993 schedules been published anywhere yet?

Thanks.
-- 
 Intel, Corp.
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd.
 Chandler, AZ  85226
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