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From: ins217t@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: a shell idea
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:23:44 GMT

jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:

>In article <1e8m7pINN51i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>>i was thinking that one could create a "super" shell which understood
>>the syntax of all the major shells: csh, tcsh, ksh, sh, bash, ash, etc.
>>of course, size would be affected, but imagine the power, not to 
>>mention the end of all the bickering.

>Um, why?  I would much rather have five binaries for tcsh, ksh, bash,
>rc, and some other shell on my system that I could trim down if I
>needed (like delete tcsh since I wouldn't use it...) rather than some
>monolithic beast that contained features I really don't need.

>Small is beautiful.

Hear Hear !

It's the small programs that you put together to make big programs(via shell
scripts) that really makes UNIX something different to the "Let's reinvent the wheel"
syndrome of DOS...

And besides, can you imagine all the syntax clashes ?
you'd have to have a "csh" mode for csh/tcsh, "sh" mode for sh/ksh/bash,
etc....

Enjoy !

Cos !

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From: sexonbd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin David Sexson (Ben))
Subject: Sorry to post a silly question
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:50:25 GMT

Well I've started to get mail over my post, and well I see that
the answer was right in front of my face.  I didn't see the FAQ
when I looked last.  Sorry to wast bandwidth, and please no more
mail.  Thanx.
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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Linux 0.98 pl5
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:01:38 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

You all know what it's about by now: YAKR (yet another kernel release..)
linux 0.98 patchlevel 5 is now available at nic.funet.fi as both full
source and as context diffs against 0.98.4.  The place to look is (as
before) pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus. 

0.98.5 mainly fixes the swap-partition bug that was present in pl4 (and
for which I did an earlier unofficial emergency patch).  The bug
resulted in incorrect swapping with a partition under some circumstances
(notably tty events: keypresses could make xterm dump code when swapping
was enabled etc). 

pl5 also has some other changes - nothing major.  Setting and querying
termios information from a pty master will now set/query the slave info:
this seems to be what some programs (telnet) expect.  I haven't seen any
changes to any of the programs I use, but I'd like to hear if this
results in problems or if it actually does help. 

NOTE! READ THIS AND PONDER:

pl5 now checks against writing to the text segment.  Older binaries
which used the original estdio library (used with the earliest gcc
versions) are liable to break: not that there should be many of these
binaries around.  So if you get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" on
binaries you know used to work, this is the likely cause. 

One problem spot that I've seen even with new binaries is due to a
library bug in 'sigaction()'.  If the second argument is NULL (ie the
pointer to the new sigaction structure), sigaction() will incorrectly
dereference it resulting in a core-dump.  The only program so far that
I've seen doing this is 'dd', but there may be others. 

On my system I have found a whopping total of two binaries which didn't
like the text segment protection, so it shouldn't really be a major
problem for anybody.  Famous last words. 

		Linus

PS. The strace code in pl4 was incorrectly credited in the announcement. 
The code was written by Branko Lankester, not Ross Biro (who did the
tcp/ip changes). 
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From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: question concerning dumb terminal and linux
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:48:25 GMT

In article <1eipgeINNc10@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
>mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>[...]
>>I'll get a RS-232 cable to hook from the terminal to my COM2 serial port.
>
>BZZZZT!  Nope.  You need a "null modem cable".  This is an RS-232 cable
>with several connections swapped (notably the SEND and RECEIVE pins) and
>others shorted together.  This allows two DTE (Data Terminal *Equipment*)
>ports to talk to each other.  The standard RS-232 cable is meant to connect
>a DTE port to a DCE (Data Communications Equipment) port.  The difference
>between the DTE and the DCE is that the DTE is assumed to control the
>communications across the line.  Thus, a PC would be a DTE and a modem
>would be a DCE.
>
>(Note that modems have two modes, ANSWER and ORIGINATE, which allow them
> to do the same SEND/RECEIVE swapping that a null-modem cable does.)
>
>>I think the Heath kit is a VT52. any1 know if this true????
>
>I always had to specify it to our school's system as an 'h19'.  I don't
>know if it's VT52-compatible.

I'm reasonably sure that an H19 is an H19, and isn't compatible with
anything.  Back in the days when a terminal cost as much as a whole
system does these days, in the early 80's, it was almost a standard
among hobbyists and so forth, and then Televideo brought out some
cheaper terminals.  These days, you can't get people to pay shipping to
take these things off of your hands.  check your local BSD system, you
may find a termcap for an H19.  One of the early releases of PC/IP's
telnet client would only do H19 emulation.  Hmmm....as it turns out, I
have compiled terminfo entries for the h19, but not source.

>>When I log in, would I have to set the terminal type??? Is there
>>a termcap entry for the vt52??? how would I set that???

You would set the environment variable 'TERM' to whatever you wanted
the terminal to be.

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From: jy10033@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: Obsolete files at archive sites.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:11:29 GMT

There are a lot of obsolete files at the archive sites (I'm not blaming
anybody, it's just a natural consequence of fact that Linux is developing
very rapidly).  The obsolete files do cause a lot of confusion, though...

Perhaps we could set up some sort of 'version control'.  Here's one
possible approach: when you download a package, you could see if it works
with the currently-accepted version of linux and associated utilities.
If not, you could send me a mail message with a subject line like this:

BROKEN: tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/admutil1.2

I could compile these into coherent listings, and mail them to the
archive maintainers on a weekly basis.  The archive maintainers could
respond by moving the files to a 'possibly-bogus' subdirectory.

That's just a top-of-my-head solution... if you have something better,
by all means, suggest it.  I do think it's important, though, that
we sort things out a little bit.

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From: lash0002@student.tc.umn.edu (tim)
Subject: sysV init
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:26:13 GMT

I saw some references to a newer version of the/a system V compatible
init for linux than is in the admutils-1.4 package. Can anyone tell
me where it is located? I've looked at tsx-11, and not found it.
I've also tried archie, but didn't know what it was called (just
looking for init didn't work).
i

						thanks,

						tim




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From: wongi@netcom.com (Isaac Wong)
Subject: Help, SLS Xmono hangs.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:52:02 GMT

I installed linux for the first time on my 386/25. i have 2 partitions on my
D: drive (Maxtor 213meg) ~10 meg on /dev/hdb1 and ~60 meg on /dev/hdb2. the
rest of the drive unpartitioned. i have / on hdb1 and /usr on hdb2.
i have no swap partition or file but i have 10meg of memory. all the things
i have tried worked ok except for X. I installed X using sysinstall
without complaints (after some initial small fights). then I copied X386mono 
to X386 and Xconfig.mono to Xconfig. I did startx and apparently it was trying
to do it in VGA256 mode; it didn't like it. I then saw /usr/X386/bin/X was 
not symlinked to X386, so I did 'ln -s X386 X' (should I?). then I did startx 
again. Up came the white screen and a cursor (I was so excited!). then the 
white background went away. My screen then looked like this (dark background) 
and hanged. any clues? 

        --------------------------------
        | xclock|                      |
        |-------                       |
        |                              |
        |                              |
        |                              |
        |                              |
        |                  -------     |
        |                  |-----|     |
        |                  |-+-+-|     |
        |                  |-+-+-|     |
        |                  |-+-+-|     |
        |                  -------     |
        --------------------------------

any help is much appreciated.
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Problem with console
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:10:27 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <FCAIC.92Nov19091438@woody.wbst845e.xerox.com> fcaic@wbst845e.xerox.com (Frank Caico) writes:
>
>I have been trying to figure this out, but havent come up with the answer
>yet.
>
>I am trying to start up a console from inside X windows, but i cannot get
>it to work.  If I start an xconsole, it doesn't actually display console
>messages and if I start a xterm -C that doesn't work either.  
>
>I am using the SLS distribution, linux .98pl2  If anyone can help with this
>I would really appreciate it!

There was a bug in the pty redirection handling with the new tty
routines in 0.98.  It was essentially a '+1' which should have been a
'-1'.  It's fixed in 0.98pl4 and pl5. 

Note that the linux kernel messages still won't get printed under X
unless you use a special program to actually trap them: xterm -C only
catches user-level output (ie error messages from the X server etc) to
the console. 

		Linus
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From: sam@sam.b23b.ingr.com (Sam Coker)
Subject: Re: X11R5
Reply-To: sam@sam.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: DAZIX, an Intergraph Company
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:55:43 GMT

In article <722438907.AA22024@remote.halcyon.com>, Michael.Whitlatch@f460.n3625.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Whitlatch) writes:
|> Hello All!
|> 
|>     G'morning or so!
|>     Yep another newbie to Linux with a question!
|>     I've managed to get the setup for 640x480 resolution with the 8900c
|> card, but have had no luck to date with the mouse installation.. I've
|> tried Microsoft and busmouse but I'm really not sure what tty I should
|> be pointing it at (Microsoft Inport Mouse). startx gives me a nice blue
|> screen with the Xclock in the top left corner, and a box with a pointer
|> in the middle of the screen, and seems to go no further.
|>     What should be happening from this point? Anyone with any ideas
|> would be of GREAT help!
|> Thanks for your time and attention!
|> Michael
|> 
|>
   I had to change ttys2 to ttys1 in the Xconfig file for the Microsoft mouse
   entry.  Hope it helps ...

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From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Subject: Re: Questions on syslog, makewhatis & login
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:43:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.122234.19103@lut.ac.uk> D.N.Murfitt1@lut.ac.uk (DN Murfitt) writes:

[ ... ]

>3 - Login
>
>The login program included with the SLS release does not log invalid attempts,
>retrys etc. Is there another version availibke which is more advanced?

Well, in fact I wrote my own login to do just that.  In the process though,
I threw out bits I don't use, like the -f and -p flags from poe's login.

I also made it run setuid root, so that I can do "login username" from the
shell prompt instead of su.

So, it may not be to everyone's liking, but I'll email the source to anyone
who asks.


-- 
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An artist is someone who has convinced others that what they do is art.
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From: ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to mount the OS/2 HPFS from Linux?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.142421.16296@klaava.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>mmannan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mohammed Mannan) writes:
>>Is it possible to mount the HPFS file system? If not, will it
>>be possible in the future? anyone working on it?
>
>Not possible.  Don't know that anyone is working on it.  Shouldn't be
>too difficult after getting the documentation on HPFS; however, as is
>usual with big and evil companies, it is uncertain if IBM distributes
>them (I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though).

A friend who worked at IBM recently has said that the HPFS specs were
published in some IBM journal and should be available. He couldn't
find his copy but maybe I can push him some more after he recovers
from his latest batch of assignments. I did manage to find some
HPFS articles in Byte magazine. One of them gave some low level
information on it. The basic form is a set of file records a la
inodes with multiple indirection but a file's block numbers are
kept as begin/end pairs to promote contiguous storage.

The Byte magazine references I looked up are below.

Main entry:     Minasi, Mark.
Title:          Digging into HPFS.
                High Performance File System
In:             Byte v. 15 (May '90) p. 109-10+ 0360-5280
Collation:      p. 109-10+ : il.
Subject:        File organization (Computer science).

Main entry:     Minasi, Mark.
Title:          To HPFS or not to HPFS.
                High Performance File System
In:             Byte v. 15 (Mar. '90) p. 101-2 0360-5280
Collation:      p. 101-2 : il.
Subject:        File organization (Computer science).

Main entry:     Minasi, Mark.
Title:          A first look at HPFS.
                High Performance File System
In:             Byte v. 15 (Jan. '90) p. 137-8+ 0360-5280
Collation:      p. 137-8+ : il.
Subject:        File organization (Computer science).

-- 
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reliable sense, in mind; this fact alone guarantees a vast number of holes."
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From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Packaging Linux
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:09:06 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

Quoting Neklan_Brozensky@mindlink.bc.ca (Neklan Brozensky) in article <17612@mindlink.bc.ca>:
>BTW I'm a new linux user, and like the original poster of this thread, I
>agree that A simple prepackaged Xwindow linux could really make some noise on
>the desktop, but *only* when it has DOS compatibility.

I'd go with this.  Linux already has an 8086 emulation mode, I believe;
is it really hard to do an "80386-in-priv-mode" emulation?  It means
catching all the exceptions when it tries to execute a privileged
instruction, doing ``the right thing'' for that instruction, and
returning control; but it means that people can run Windows in a
compatibility box.  Having done that, they could even run one of those
products that allows X and Windows side-by-side, and put Unix sessions
in those X windows.  Heavy and slow, but if they really want Windows...
note that I only know about these things in theory, and not in practice.

I'd also suggest you *sell* it.  Find people who want to make money
supporting it, put it in a pretty box with lots of disks and nice
manuals and stuff, and let people find out about the license as a
pleasant surprise when they get it.  You want it on shelves in computer
shops...

...but maybe you know all this stuff already.
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From: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk (Alan Charlton)
Subject: SLS install problems
Reply-To: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: nowhere in particular...
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:55:44 +0000

Hi, Linux-hackers!

I'm installing the latest SLS from TSX-11 and I'm having a few problems...

Hardware:

CompuAdd 325sc (386sx/25 - 32K cache)
5M ram
C&T SVGA on motherboard, 512K ram
81M IDE disk, partitioned 11M DOS, 29M Linux /, 29M Linux /usr, 12M swap

First of all (and this is prolly a FAQ), when I get the 'Press <return>
to see SVGA modes', I press return and it goes into 80x50 mode straight
away.  This is annoying;  I want 132x44 mode!  Is there a simple fix for
this in the kernel source (because I'm sure to be rebuilding it anyway)..?

Secondly, I have a 2-port serial card which is set up as COM3/4.  However,
I'm not using shared IRQs;  instead I'm using IRQ5 for COM3 and IRQ7 for
COM4 (I don't have any parallel ports installed).  On boot-up, Linux says
that COM3 & 4 are on IRQ4 & 3 respectively - so I'm assuming that this is
hard-coded into the kernel sources.  Is this correct, and is it easy to
change the IRQ settings in the source code?

Finally, I think I've got a bad a3 disk, because I keep getting FS errors
when the install script tries to read it.  But even so, I don't think I
should be getting the problem I'm suffering from, which is as follows:
when I try to boot from floppy with hda2 as root, the initialisation seems
to go OK until the kernel is read from the HD.  At this point, the screen
fills up with 'child xxx died' ad infinitum, with xxx incrementing each time.
Is this a symptom of my bad a3 disk, or something more sinister....?

Cheers,

- Alan.

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From: card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD)
Subject: Re: Status of EFS-2 (was: ANNOUNCE: ext fs progs version alpha 10)
Organization: Laboratoire MASI - Universite Pierre et Marie Curie - Paris - France
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.192626.12516@news.acns.nwu.edu> hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) writes:
>Just out of curiosity (and anticipation): what is the status of the new
>extended file system (EFS-2)?  Or is the old EFS going to remain?

	Well ...  I am still working on it but I have been very busy
during two months and I couldn't really work on Linux for other things
than maintaining the current ext fs.  I apologize for the lateness (I
had promised this new ext fs several months ago) but, really, I hadn't
enough time to complete it before now.

	Now, I have a version of the new extended fs which seems to
work but I need to test it a little bit more before making a test
release.

>
>	/hpa
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Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:17377 comp.dcom.modems:17099
From: jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: What's a good modem for linux?
Keywords: modem linux question
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:42:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Chevron, La Habra, CA

I'm looking for a 14400 fax/modem for my system, which runs linux
most of the time.  I am considering the Intel 400 (internal or external).
I've heard that it may have problems with linux.  Can anyone verify
that?  What is a good 14400 modem that will work reliably under linux?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

James.
From: dburr@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Donald Burr)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: LINUX HELP!!!!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:14:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: sbphy.dburr.721858453

Hi.. a friend just got the 0.97 SLS release (I think that's the version)
and we are having MAJOR problems.

(1) He has a 486dx and a Diamond SpeedStar SVGA card.  We have tried
getting X386 up and running, but either get nothing (i.e. blank screen)
or we get something that looks vaguely X-ish (i.e. we see an xclock,
etc.) but everything on screen is all weird -- my friend said that it's
in the wrong video mode, and propmtly turned the machine off --
apparently this is harmful to the monitor.  Can anyone help?!@?

(2) We having MAJOR problems with passwd.  First of all, the adduser
command in the "menu" appears to get the UID and GID backward!!  Is this
true?  Also, all our UUCP accounts (different logins for various
machines) have the same UID and GID (this is always the way I've done it
on my other machines) , but whenever you change the password on one of
them, ALL of the password entries conforming to that UID change.  This
is not good.  Is there any way of fixing this (i.e. getting a new passwd
program, etc.)

Also, a MAJOR problem is that, for some odd reason, users' passwords
frequently get "corrupted".  Let's say I'm logged in as "dburr".  I
change my password to "Foo".  I log out, call back later,  The password
"Foo" DOESN'T WORK, AND MY ORIGINAL (OLDER) PASSWORDS DON'T WORK EITHER.
This is very bad, especially for the root account!!  Is this another
bug, and if so, how do I fix it?  (i.e. where can I get updated source,
binaries, etc.)

(3) Does this release of Linux support SLIP?  Also, does it support
TCP/IP >without< an Ethernet board?  I'd like to get some stuff going on
this machine (i.e. Berkeley syslogd, Berkeley talk, etc.) which requires
TCP/IP and sockets functioning, but they do not require the ability to
connect to stuff outside of the machine.  If this is possible, how do I
get it set up?  (also how do I set up SLIP)

Anyway, thanks for the help.  Please email replies to
dburr@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu.  THANKS!!

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