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From: bwl@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Bill W. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Intolerence to Broccoli followup
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:28:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA



>i sure do have ideas!!  one reason why you have abdominal pain.. (there may be
>other reasons.. but this most likely is it) broccoli is a VERY gaseous veggie!
>especially in the raw state..
>
>other veggies that are gaseous.. turnips, cucumbers, brussel sprouts, radishes,
>and cauliflower.. 
>
>you may find that 1 out of the bunch gives you abdominal pain while the othes
>do not..

I was the the original poster and based on E-mail that I have received
I would like to add that my wife says there is little or no gas that 
appears to be associated with the cramping.  Also there is some nausea.

One E-mail that I received said there was an article in the latest
issue of the '_The_Economist_ about pregnant woman and aversions to food.
Apparently the fetus may have a mechanism that causes the mother to have
nausea and aversions to food that may be poisonous to the fetus. 
I haven't read the article yet so I can't comment.

I'm still waiting for someone to ask me if my wife ever met George Bush.


Bill and Allison.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tlawton@infocenter.encore.com (Tom Lawton)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a good, inexpensive juicer (fruit and veg).
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:02:57 GMT

jmgst26@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Joseph M Goodwin) writes:

>I am looking for one that is powerful enough to make good vegetable juice,
>but preferably under $200.  The only one I've heard of is the Vita-Mix,
>but it's out of my price range.  Is the one on late night TV any good?
>I think the guy's nickname is MR. Juice or something silly like that.

You'll be able to find quite a few 'good' juicers for less than $200.00.
Go to any good Health Food store and ask them.  I have a Champion and I
love it.  The Juiceman's is about $250.00+ and there are several like
models available for under $200.00.
-- 
                    -- T.R. "Tommy" Lawton --
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: RECIPE: Chilean Cauliflower 
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:35 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I probably should ask someone whether it is against the rules to 
flame YOURSELF, but really, the e-mail is killing me, so I've 
got do do it!

FLAME ON
CHILE IS SPELLED CHILE, NOT CHILI #%@#@!
FLAME OFF
Me: I know, I know, I know.....It was late, I was hungry, I was thinking
only of food, and so I thought of chili the food not Chile the 
country, my apologies to everyone, I even teach World Geography, 
have degrees in this stuff, would mark points off on a student paper
for this kind of thing.....I'm very sorry and will try never to mix
the two up again. 

As penance I'm looking for a chili recipe from Chile to post. 

-Mary Howard

p.s. on the eggplant recipe that's 1/2 CUP tomato puree
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:27:58 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <2HZ3iB1w164w@gorilla.nbn.com> deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes) writes:
>Funny, that's what got me as a kid, too.  My mother used to make rabbit
>stew for my father and I just absolutely refused to eat it.  That's when
>I began to understand what meat was.  I overcame my distaste for meat 
>for several years, unfortunately, but I never did eat rabbit. My son wants
>to eat meat every once in awhile and I remember the incident with the 
>rabbit stew, and I almost wish he could get the same kind of lesson somehow.
>

There are plenty of AR type films out there showing gross scenes of
slaughterhouses that I am sure would knock your son into shape. However
I'm not quite sure if it would be worth it, these films are pretty
horrific for even an adult to watch.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: asannuti@dae.Princeton.EDU (Arun M. Sannuti)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipes
Keywords: This is NOT a recipe.
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:58:50 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr13.090449.11583@spider.co.uk> claudiak@spider.co.uk (Claudia Kale) writes:
>I am
>saying that the logic behind that club policy has an eerie echo in the
>call for a newsgroup for "vegetarians only".

	Methinks you misunderstood my arguement.  I was just agreeing
with Micheal's feelings that people should try and confine vegetarian
bashing to talk.politics.animals.  (IF micheal doesn't agree with
this, then I misunderstood him) I like this newsgroup, but one of my
primary reasons for reading it is to get away from all the vegetarian
bashing I get in everyday life.  I can't exist a day without someone
commenting, in a negative way, about my eating choices.  I'm not an in
your face vegan.  In fact, I almost never mention it, unless someone
asks me specifically, and even then, I am reluctant, because I hate
getting into arguements.  But I am still continually harshed on for my
eating choices.  I was just expressing my preference for a newsgroup
in which I would could find some friends who understood my desire to
avoid vegetarian bashing.  I'm a social person, and I like having
company, and I sometimes enjoy being able to share my experiences, or
listening to shared experiences by what I feel is an oppressed
minority in this country.  (I don't really know about other
countries.)  It disturbs me greatly to come to the one place where I
have a small possibility of getting support and instead reading about
how stupid vegetarians are and how we should all eat meat.  I get
enough of that in real life.  I don't need it here.

Arun Sannuti
From: darcy@panix.com (Darcy Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Intolerence to Broccoli followup
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:50:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY


In article <1819@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM> bwl@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Bill W. Lowe) writes:
>
>I would like to add that my wife says there is little or no gas that 
>appears to be associated with the cramping.  Also there is some nausea.

well.. first of all... you do not have to PASS GAS ;) in order to HAVE GAS..
cramping as well as sharp pains are indications of air (gas), trapped within
your body.. 

nausea on the other hand is an allergic reaction.. just like itching, sneezing,
depression, headaches..etc.. 

bodies change.. never mind being preganat! preganacy makes you body chemistry
do a 360 degree turn! she sould very well have developed an allergy to broccoli
that may last past pregnancy.. or may end after pregnancy..

>Apparently the fetus may have a mechanism that causes the mother to have
>nausea and aversions to food that may be poisonous to the fetus. 
very true..


-- 
Darcy D. Lee
			BI BY NATURE!
darcy@panix.com
cmcl2!panix!darcy
From: gkolstad@reed.edu (Geoffrey Kolstad)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: rice and beans
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr10.013218.16831
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


With all of this talk of rice and beans I am starting to crave good recipes for
the combination. Do people have delicious/easy/lowfat recipies for the two? I 
always end up with just rice and beans on a plate with a ton of seasoning I 
put on everything anyway. I need something that tastes great has little fat 
(less than 1T of butter/oil per BIG serving) and won't take all night to prepare
Is this too unreasonable?  Cooking rice in broth sounds like a good idea, but I
haven't tried it yet. Is it tasty enough for the trouble? And what do you do 
with blackbean sauce any way?

Thanks, 
Geoffrey
gkolstad@reed.edu
From: Kamchatka Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.veg
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:37:20 GMT
Organization: (new neme here soon)

Michael Traub writes:

>Aw,  cmon  Dave, Carol (the lurking omnivore) has already explained
>that it all  has  to  do with the eskimos getting their little
>tootsies cold in the winter. Diet apparently plays no part whatsoever.




And you're saying you haven't been inflammitory.  Shame, shame, shame.

kamchatka Charlie
KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: India (was Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream))
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:23:22 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr16.203510.24632@colorado.edu> parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.091415.20895@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>The  Christians  in India (and there are quite a few) take great delight in
>>the  "foolishness"  of  the  other religions and eat whatever is going. All
>>the  Catholics  I  met  in  India considered we were insane to not eat meat
>
>None of the Catholics I met in India thought I was insane to not eat
>meat. And since I'm from Goa, I should know.
>
Maybe  its  different  with  those  that have left India or are more widely
travelled.  My  wife's  family  and friends are all anti vegetarian, though
my  mother  in  law and father in law have accepted (even embraced) it now.
Though my Wife's family are Goan the majority live in England or Bombay.


-- 
   "This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
   
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Kamchatka Charlie
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipes
Organization: Psychosis Unlimited International
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:02:31 GMT

David F. McWade writes:

>I think this post is very antagonistic, and I think that Kamchatka
>Charlie is being very hypocritical in calling Mike Traub antagonistic. 
>It would have been very easy for you to state what you just stated in a
>much less antagonistic way.  Can we ALL be a little more sensitive to
>each other please?  (Yes, feel free to tell me if I mess up in this
>regard.)
>
>Dave
>
     Did I say I was trying to be nice?  I'm just trying to get Traub to back
up his statements with facts.  Anything wrong with that?

--
kamchatka charlie
KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:54:32 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr10.163551.24676@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>In article <31505@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, hopper@cs.ucsd.edu (Steve Hopper) writes...
>  > 
>  >There was an earlier post about how cows are able to keep producing
>  >milk, either with hormones or induced pregnancy.
>  > 
>  >Now, I was not raised on a farm, but isn't the scenario something
>  >like that if a cow is routinely milked after giving birth that
>  >it will keep giving milk?  Maybe there is a limit to the time
>  >involved?  Sounds like basic anatomy to me!
>
>That was my impression as well when I first read that post.  At
>least it seemed to work with the one cow we had when I was
>growing up.  
>
>I just didn't want to dispute the dairy gurus out there.
>

I  was  going  to  let  this  crass stupidity pass but since this women has
gotten  on  her  little  hobby  horse  again  and started flaming me for my
"supposed" ignorance I shall flame her for her total ignorance.

Cows are usually forced to calve on a yearly basis to ensure a good supply
of milk.

The following is an extract from the book "Pioneers of the new age",
published by the Vegan Society (UK).

  Many  compassionate  people  are still unaware of the cruelty involved in
  milk  production.  Many  would  be  as  shocked  as  was our contributor,
  Leslie  Cross,  to  discover that it was based on the injunction "Put the
  bull  to  the  cow, and when the calf comes, kill it, so that we can have
  the  milk".  Of  course  the  calf  is  not  always killed at birth (most
  cheese  is  made  with  rennet from the stomach of a newly born calf) but
  hardly  any  cows  in  the dairy herds are allowed to suckle their calves
  for  more  than  three  days, if at all. Some calves are sent to the veal
  units,  some  are  reared as beef, and some, of course, become dairy cows
  to  suffer  the  long  series  of  frustrated pregnancies. All end in the
  slaughterhouse  at  the  moment  most  profitable to their breeders. Most
  people  are  disturbed  by the veal calf units of modern factory farming,
  but   few   recognise   them   as  essential  components  of  the  modern
  high-pressure milk industry that provides our daily "pinta".

The  Vegan  society  also  have a leaflet available on the facts behind the
dairy industry, I lent mine out many years ago and never got it back!

Note  that  I  am  not  trying to convince anyone to become Vegan, its just
that  I  don't  wish you to believe the words of totally ignorant fools and
hide from the truth.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Recipe: Argentine Stew
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:50:08 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

The trouble with splitting this group into 2 groups, I think, is that
sometimes I feel like posting a recipe.... as penance for getting into
ethical debates. I knew that Catholic education would come in handy sometime! 

I've been looking at cooking from South America lately. Of course
much of it is heavily meat based, but I think the combination of
other ingredients are still interesting, and can make some very
good vegetarian dishes. Here is one I came up with this weekend:
it uses red wine and peaches.


Argentine Stew

1 tablespoon olive oil
1 package tofu, frozen, then defrosted and sliced, or 2 tvp or other
veggie burgers, defrosted and crumbled
1 onion, peeled and chopped
2 cloves minced garlic

1 1/2 cups tomato puree
1 cup red wine (wine from Argentina to be authentic! )
1 cup water

1 large can peaches (29 ounces), packed in fruit juice, not heavy syrup
(rinse and drain peaches before using), or 6 fresh peaches, peeled and sliced
1 small butternut squash, peeled and chopped (microwave for a little
while will make it easier to chop)
2 yams, peeled and chopped
3 cups sweet corn

1/4 teaspoon ground bay leaf
1/2 teaspoon mexican oregano
salt and freshly ground pepper to taste

In a large saucepan, heat the oil and saute the tofu or veggie burgers with 
the onion and garlic until browned, adding a little water if needed.

Add the tomato, wine, and water. Bring to a boil for a few minutes to 
cook off the alcohol, then reduce to moderate heat.

Add the peaches, squash, yams, corn, and spices. Cook over moderate heat, 
stirring occasionally, about an hour. 

Serve in bowls with a green salad and hot, fresh bread. 


-Mary Howard
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Travel to Europe  (inc. restaurant/travel guide)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:37:55 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr10.004406.10575@ide.com> biesty@ide.com (Bill Biesty) writes:
>In article <121067@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, mike@isg.llnl.gov (Michael E. Hummell) writes:
>> The Vegetarian Society of the U.K.  (VSUK)  publishes the "International
>> Vegetarian Travel Guide", which concentrates on Veg. Restaurants & guesthousts
>> in England & Europe, listing establishments for each city in every country.
>
>I'm thinking of going to Chezckoslavkia in several months. Does this guide
>cover eatern Europe?
>
>Does anyone have any experience eating in eastern europe? My feeling is
>that meat is rare but that meat products find their way into a lot of
>foods. True?
>

The issue I have (89/90) DOES cover Eastern Europe though it is a little
thin. Czechoslovakia has four restaruants listed all in Prague, none of
them purely Vegetarian.

Diet restaurant Orlik
Zdanora 13

Diet Restaurant Schmichnow
Nadrazni 15

Diet Restaurant Vindh Rady
Francouzka 2

Vegetarka Celentna
3 Stare Mesto

I wouldn't like to guess what your chances would be in finding any of these
still open. A friend came back from Prague recently, she is a fairly
unstrict vegetarian and her comment was the food was a nightmare.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Recipe:Venezuelan Eggplant/Red Peppers
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:01:22 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Red Pepper is a much loved vegetable in Central and South America, 
as it is in the United States. Eggplant is also common. I found
a Venezuelan vegetable dish combining eggplant and red pepper. I've
turned it into a main meal as a stuffed eggplant with a red pepper-
tomato filling, and have also added some tofu to the dish (I doubt
the South Americans use much tofu, but one is allowed such liberties!!).

Venezuelan Eggplant Stuffed with Red Peppers

1 tablespoon olive oil
1 small onion, peeled and chopped
1 large red pepper, chopped
1/2 tomato puree
1 tablespoon red wine vinegar
1 tablespoon tomato paste
salt and pepper to taste

1 eggplant (aubergine)
1/2 package (about 5 ounces) silken tofu
1/2 cup breadcrumbs

Preheat oven to 350 degrees

Heat the oil in a saucepan and saute the onion and red pepper, adding
a little water if needed. Add the puree, vinegar, tomato paste, and
salt and pepper. Cook over moderate heat until very thick, about 15
minutes.

Microwave or boil the eggplant until soft but not mushy. Cut in half
lengthwise, and scrape out the insides, but leave enough to form a shell. 
Chop the insides and add them to the red pepper mixture. 

Blend the tofu until smooth, adding a little water if needed. Coat the
eggplant shells with the tofu, then spoon in the red pepper mixture. 
Top with the breadcrumbs. Put the two eggplant halves in a glass pie
dish and bake about 45 minutes.  Serve with a green salad and whole
wheat hot bread, or potatoes, if desired. 

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:17:07 GMT

In article <1708@nic.cerf.net> wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth) writes:
>If the cow becomes pregnant, then she produces the hormone naturally
>and produces milk. The big moral dilemma comes into play when one asks
>the question: "what becomes of the little boy calves?" Seems veal is
>the most popular answer.

Well, I grew up on a small family-owned dairy farm in Indiana.  There
were about 35 milking cows, as well as a few bulls and always some
calves.  As Colleen implies, the female calves were usually used for
herd replacement, or sold/traded to other local farms for the same
purpose.  The males were not used for veal, however.  Granted, you
couldn't allow all of them to grow up for breeding purposes; you
simply don't need that many.  What generally was done was to allow
them to grow to a decent age, and then have them butchered for beef.
It was a fairly self-sufficient way of living --- we grew a lot of the
vegetables we used, had our own supply of dairy products, and a
cheap supply of beef, for supporting four households in our family
(grandparents, our family, and two sets of aunts & uncles and their
families.)

Granted, it's still the killing of an animal, and as a vegetarian
I'm against that.  But the animals were treated humanely up to that
point, unlike calves used for veal production.  If animals are going
to be used as a food source, this is one of the better ways to do so.

I can't speak for other farms on this subject, however, and don't
pretend to.  This is just how my family operated.  I'm sure some
percentage of family farms do likewise... I just don't know how
typical we were.

[It's interesting, though, that even growing up on a farm where the
animals were treated well, I end up a vegetarian.  I believe it has
more to do with the period when my folks were raising rabbits for
fur and meat, however.  Killing those poor bunnies just broke my
heart, and at the age of 13 I remember a very tense day when I
refused to help butcher the rabbits.  I ended up with a sore butt
and angry parents, but I never had to help kill a rabbit again.]
-- 
Michael Bryan	        michael@resonex.com
This offer law where prohibited by void.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chris Powell)
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg.d (was Re: This newsgroup)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:09:40 GMT

491miley@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
> I'm just still amazed at the number of men who believe that you can only be a
> "real man" if you eat meat.  The stigma of the wimpy, feminine, 98-pound
> vegetarian wimp is still alive and well today thanks to the "meat gives
> strength" commercial BS.  I want to be 250 pounds of muscle like those guys i
> the movies.

I don't know how relevant this is, but I have a friend who rows
crew for the university and is about 6'2" and rather well-built,
and he's a vegetarian.  So it can be done, although he's no
Arnold or Hulk Hogan.  But size like that doesn't come from
food.

Chris

P.S.  I'm one of the lurking omnivores (no red meat); I just skip
the philosphical arguments that don't interest me.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism and warexit
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:40:47 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr7.225356.10628@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>> It is somewhat wrong to eat family farmed animals that were free ranged. 
>> However, if a person cannot convert to vegetarianism, then this is the way I
>> point them to.
>
>And what gives anyone the right to tell someone else how they should live their
>lives???  I guess in your world the right people get to tell the wrong people.
>
>Until people stop believing everything they read and quoting everything that
>sounds good...there will be wars.  I recommend people THINK above all else.
>I find it hard to believe vegetarian is the ultimate answer...a little
>compassion, respect, and understanding can make a world of difference.  Try
>opening your mind (wider) and try it some time.
>
>--Dennis

If this newsgroup does not agree with your "open mind" then find another
newsgroup.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Originator: jjohnson@muse.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:54:40 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


In article <1992Apr13.072758.18760@rtf.bt.co.uk> Michael Traub writes:

>There are plenty of AR type films out there showing gross scenes of
>slaughterhouses that I am sure would knock your son into shape. However
>I'm not quite sure if it would be worth it, these films are pretty
>horrific for even an adult to watch.

I saw just such a film on PBS 15 years ago.  They showed a living cow coming
down the shute, and followed it through to the finished product, all nicely
wrapped in celophane.  When they then showed a pig coming down the shute,
I turned off the TV and wept.

Horrific?  Yes!  Effective?  You bet!  I haven't eaten meat since.



-- 
Jennifer L. Johnson |   "While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered 
jjohnson@convex.com |    beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on 
                    |    this earth?" 		--George Bernard Shaw