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From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:18:12 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Sep3.175636.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer) writes:
> In article <BtysqF.82r@wpi.WPI.EDU>, boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
>> It is called Star Wars:  The Jedi Storm and it is in the public domain, so
>> there is no copyright issue.  
> 
> 	There is, however, the issue of trademark.  This story violates
> Lucasfilm's trademark on the name Star Wars, and probably on "Jedi" and the
> major characters' names.  It is therefore illegal.

	If this is correct (which is possible, considering how screwed up the
copyright laws are), then I think its getting to be time to demand Congress to
change the law. Or better yet, shoot them all :-)

Brandon Cope

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: CLASSIC STAR WARS #1 IS OUT!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:11:06 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

So? What is "classic star wars"?

Scott
From: gretchen@betwixt.ugcs.caltech.edu (Gretchen Louise Mullendore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Tours
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:16:02 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

A couple of months ago I went to Disneyland with my brother.  We are both
_huge_ Star Wars fans, so, of course, we had to go on Star Tours again and
again and again!  What a ride!  Almost spiritual for a big fan...  Anyways,
anyone know if Lucas and Disney are planning on adding different "trips"?
Hoth, Dagobah?  Like on the "travel films" displayed in line?  Man, that would
be great!!

Hopeful,

Gretchen :)
gretchen@to.ugcs.caltech.edu
"Ski Hoth!"
From: watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS Revamped!?!
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:19:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Sep11.111216.2308@wkuvx1.bitnet> futrena@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I think I might have a possible suggestion to why they might have
>pulled the movies from rental.  (Although, I see them everytime I go to
>Blockbusteror any other movie rental place.)  There is a trend
>developing.  The movie "gods-that-be" are beginning to re-edit very
>popular older movies FOR RE-RELEASE!!  For example, they are
>re-editing and re-releasing the cult classic, _Blade Runner_.  For all
>of you Cyberpunk fans out there, it will be a movie to remember.
>
>I predict that they will re-edit and re-release, your favorite and
>mine, _STAR WARS_ and _The Empire Strikes Back_.  Keep in mind, this
>is only a guess and prediction.  There has got to be at least 30
>minutes worth of footage that was cut from the original _STAR WARS_. 
>Just think of _STAR WARS_ in LucasFilm Surround Sound STEREO.  I get
>goose bumps just thinking about it.
>
>It may only be wishful thinking, but we all have our dreams.
>
>Nathan Futrell
>futrena@WKUVX1.bitnet
>"Any questions, comments, ideas, snide remarks..."

Who knows...  Maybe we will all be able to stop bickering about the
imfamous......   shhhhhhhh..... "biggs scenes".

mike

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156
From: raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Miniseries from Dark Horse Comics
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:15:40 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In regards to the earlier statement about TDE #1 being a collectors item worth
$10, and you being able to buy one for cover last week: BEWARE!!!

This comic has had a second printing (as have #2,3,and (I think) 4).
The first printing has definately sold out because order were no where
near demand.

BTW, I went to the San Diego Comic Con and met the artist of TDE, Cam
Kennedy and had him sign my 1st printings of #1-#4. I will cherish them
for a long time (until I sell them and make $$).

A 2nd printing typically does not increase much in value, at least until a
3rd printing comes out.

Rodney Boles
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:25:53 GMT

In <1992Sep12.132525.5210@gw.wmich.edu> x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.062734.3211@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson) writes:
>> Why didn't Vader kill Piett?

>	Maybe it was because it wasn't really Piett's fault that the MF got
>away at the end of TESB.

And it *was* Captain Needa's fault Han got away from him in the asteroid
field?  I don't think so.  For that matter - I don't think Admiral Ozzel's
guilt was ever proven - aren't courts-martial required to establish guilt?
 Anyhow - my point is, Vader wasn't killing people (or not) to punish them
- he was killing them because he was angry and wanted someone to take it
all out on.


>	Anyway, on the subject of Admiral Piett, the same actor appeared in 
>a Monty Python flick that I saw this summer called Jabberwocky (If you liked
>the Holy Grail, you'll LOVE Jabberwocky).  Anyway, the actor who plays Piett
>(was his name even in the SW credits?!)

His name is Kenneth Colley.  And rightly so.  And yes, he was good in
_Jabberwocky_.  He's had bit parts in a few late 70's early 80's things,
includiong a memorable appearance in _Robin of Sherwood_ - I forget what
he was, though.

 plays a masochist in Jabberwocky.
>His head has been shaved and he wanders around the whole movie flogging 
>himself (well, until he gets catapulted into the forest).  I just about
>died laughing.

>		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy

>	"Bounty Hunters-- we don't need their scum."
>                                       --Piett
Er, yes sir (meaning - fine.  you tell *Vader* that.  Who died and made
you admiral :-))
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:35:30 GMT

In article <QeeNugG00VoG0=Ma0v@andrew.cmu.edu> Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>     The only really glaring flaw in the "abandoned shortly after takeoff"
>story is the fact that after the Falcon dropped out of hyperspace, she PURSUED
>a TIE fighter, including jamming its transmissions. Plus, she then tried (at

Did the MF also fire at the TIE? or was it the other way around? I am
sure there was some laser shot(s) taken!

>least briefly) to escape the Death Star's tractor beam. Ok, granted that the
>beam may have been powerful enough that the Falcon's resistance wasn't
>noticeable, but pursuit of a fighter and jamming its comlink are not the
>actions of a ship on autopilot. That's why the Imperials should have known
>straight off that the log was a lie. Well, the Impies aren't terribly well
>known for intelligence. At least Darth wasn't buying it (sure, he sensed
>Obi-Wan, but I still like to think the guy had SOME clue).
>                                                   -Robb Timlin
>                                                    rt16@andrew.cmu.edu


Right on. I have always considered that one of the MAJOR plot holes of SW.
(one day I will get around to posting my rather lengthy list of holes
and anomalies). The best explaination I could come up with is that by the
time the pilot of the TIE fighter was debriefed the DS was allready on
full alert. This theory has some problems. It does not indicate why the
Impies have failed to notice the MF brief resistance to the tractor beam
(your explaination, while stretched, is better than any I could come up
with). The main problem is that the Impies always seem to have a very
cluefull system for bringing relevent information to the attention
of its commanders (for example, the MF was identified by its markings as
the ship that blasted from Tatooine with impressive rapidity). Slowness
to debrief just isn't consistant with such a system.

Conspiracy theories that have Vader deliberately overlooking this flaw
for whatever reasons are not valid either. The assesment that the ship
was on auto-pilot was done at a LOWER command level than Vader and was
presented to him by an aide. Since Vader's aides have a breathtaking
:-) motivation to avoid oversights, it is hard to see how they could
have made that mistake.

One possibility is that auto-piloted ships CAN fight/pursue/jam. The
Zahn novels (I hate to bring them up for movie arguments, but it IS
relevant) clearly indicate that such technology exists.

Dan Shoham
shoham@ll.mit.edu

PS. Another flaw in the  "abandoned shortly after takeoff" story is that
the MF took off in full view of the Impies. A possible explaination is
that the log indicates that shortly after going into hyperspace, the MF
has reemerged nearby, was abandoned, and reentered hyperspace as a decoy
heading for Alderland (sp?). Again, not a good explaination.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:48:49 GMT

dranney@mls-9.informix (David Ranney) writes:

>>In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
>> [stuff deleted] 
>> >
>>>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>>>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star. 
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>My pet theory on this is that perhaps levitation/flight is an attribute of the
>good side of the force, not the dark side.  You notice we never saw Obi-Wan 
>shooting Darth with lightning bolts.  We never saw Yoda make a little pinching
>gesture and make Luke gag.

I dion't think so.  THe force is the force.  There is no "good side"
or "bad side"  it is just the people that use it that are good or bad.
For example, if you use the force, and connect its use with your
anger, it is likely to be used for evil purposes.  If your use draws
strength from your anger, this is bad, etc.

I think that Yoda could have done those lightning bolts if he wanted.
If you got Yoda really pissed off, somehow, I think the lightening would
fly.

Now, the force requires great concentration.  You cannot levitate yourself
or really fly around unless you concentrate (notice how hard Yoda has
to concentrate to lift the X-Wing).  Luke could have grabbed Yoda and
flung him into the lagoon there, and Yoda couldn't have done anything
about it.

If I am running away from Darth Vader, I doubt that he could do that
choke thing.  If he can't see me and keep my intrest, I doubt it will
work.  Those Jedi trick things seem to work on the mind.  If my mind
is not paying attention or if I am smart or wary enough to resist it
(like Jabba), then there is no way that I am going to be fooled...

keith

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: duby@utkvx3.utk.edu (Duby, Jason Alexander)
Subject: INfo on new movie?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:09:00 GMT

	Hi, this is my first time posting on this sub, so bare with me a
moment. Someone earlier mentioned that the next SW movie is planning to be
released in Summer '93 I believe, and I just wanted to ask if that was
official or not. Sorry if this is old ground, but I've heard so much
speculation and so little direct info!!! 

	If you could E-mail me this info, I would be appreciative.


						Thanks!
						Seiya

						(Duby@utkvx)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Classic #1
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:02:36 GMT

From article <SS.92Sep9073045@wpi.WPI.EDU>, by ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter):
>>>>>> On 9 Sep 92 04:46:26 GMT, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) said:
> 
> pip> Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep8.214626.1343
> 
> pip> Has anyone else seen this yet? It was supposed to be out a month
> pip> ago, but still nothing for at least the rest of this week...
> 
> Comics like this are always late.... 

	"Comics like this one"...You mean the good ones?  I agree!  :)

	I rememeber hearing about Dark empire last Sept.  


 Of course it didn't come out until December 20ish...
 
 TTYL
 Chris

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: canon
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 09:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.185622.3648@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
> Matthew Korth (dragon@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
> : *please* just enjoy _Star_Wars_ and its spinoffs without these endless
> : arguments over what actually happened?
> 
> How will we know what happened and what to enjoy unless we establish 
> what was canon? :)

The answer to that (IMHO) is surprisingly simple: just let EVERYONE pick 
THEIR OWN version of what's canon! If you read/watch/listen 
to/inhale/whatever something with the name "Star Wars" on it and you 
enjoy it, go ahead and accept it as canon. IMHO, this makes MUCH more 
sense than all these arguments from dictatorial megalomaniacs trying to 
force THEIR views about what's canon and what isn't onto the rest of us. 
The only person who has ANY right whatsoever to do THAT is GEORGE LUCAS. 
Unless I hear from George himself that the Zahn novels are non-canon, 
for example, I will treat them as canon, since there was a note 
SOMEWHERE on my copy (I forget where exactly) that it's the first work 
EVER that was authorized as a continuation the Star Wars saga. If your 
views don't agree with mine about what's canon or not, that's fine, but 
if you can't give me a source where George DEFINITELY stated that 
something was non-canon, don't try to force your views on me. Matta ne.

                                            -=]> Max <[=-

+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
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|        discuss this IN COMMITTEE!      |  alumni106@                 |
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From: cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dwarves in R2D2 and Ewoks
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:00:33 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

If my memory serves me, Kenny Baker was the man inside R2D2.
I also remember seeing at least one other Baker in the credits
for Jedi.  This one was a female, and she played an Ewok.

I wonder - was it a husband-and-wife team?  Hhhmmmm...

------------
Russ "At six-foot-six, I *probably* wouldn't make for a good Ewok" Cleaver
cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu      
-- 
Russ Cleaver                    "I *NEED* a car that does 180 or better
cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu        to get to work..."         -Bill Cosby
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "Delta Source"
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:53:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep9.235346.1358
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <kmwilcox.716052229@du139-210.cc.iastate.edu>
kmwilcox@iastate.edu (Kevin M Wilcox) writes:

>In <1992Sep8.214550.1343@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>
>>I think the mysterious Delta Source is the Chief Bothan (sorry, can't
>>remember name right now)...Makes perfect sense, that the same person who
>>tries to discredit an Alliance hero would also be an imperial spy....if the
>>price was right.....
>
>>Dave
>
>
>I have yet to read 'Dark Force Rising', but after 'Heir to the Empire' (where
>Delta is not yet introduced)  I was almost certain Fey'lya would be revealed 
>to  be a spy (Why do you think the Bothans got the plans, even if it was 
>SUPPOSEDLY at the expense of a few lives?).
>
>
>
>
>K. M. Wilcox


The bothans got the plans for one simple reason--the Emperor *wanted* them
to get the plans...

I think the Thrawn (sp?) is playing the Bothan for more of a fool than he
(Fey'lya) would think he is...

Dave
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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:09:51 GMT

>>if Lucas says that the novel SW is NOT canon, then Capt. Antilles doesn't 
>>exist by name.
>
>	He does, but they never say who he was.  C3P0 mentions that he
>was their last master, in the garage scene.

3PO _specifically_mentioned_ one "Captain Antilles" in the very beginning of
Star Wars:  A New Hope.


-- 
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## up getting shot in the arm.      -- Art Carney, "Izzy and Moe" ##
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Subject: Re: What Happened to Star Wars?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:28:47 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <tapestry.716161492@camelot>, tapestry@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Petree) writes:
> 
> This is second hand info.
> 
> I work on the activities council here at Bradley.  We contracted to
> show SW in October.
> 
> Well, we were checking up on it, only to find out that
> George Lucas has pulled the film off of the market.  (I don't know
> about the video.)  We were subtly informed that this is due to a "new
> project."
> 
> I thought I would pass along this info.

	Lucas has pulled all three films.  Look for him to re-release them to
the theaters right before the next SW movie comes out.

Brett                                                      
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From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Dark Force Rising
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:33:58 GMT

Well, I finished Dark Force Rising a while ago, and missed the discussion of
the book when it came out (since I was on summer vacation).  So I'm
interested in hearing what people thought of the book.  Personally, I think
it was a slight step down from Heir To the Empire.  But the way things are
progressing, the grand finale looks very much more promising than it did
before.  I guess the number one guess for the Delta Source is Winter, so I've
heard, but consider this:  she is Alderaanian.  The Empire blew up her home
planet -- why would she become a spy for the Empire??  Then again, can we
believe what we are told is true?  Second, Thrawn said, in Heir To the
Empire, that Joruus C'baoth was a CLONE of Jorus C'baoth.  As I recall, Luke
does not yet know this (or anyone else except Thrawn and Pellaeon, for that
matter).  Interesting idea, but can anybody think how this fact would be
significant to the outcome of the story?  Third:  Zahn made the statement
that he did NOT create the ysalamiri merely for a "Kryptonite" kind of
power.  He said they play a "vital role in Thrawn's master plan" or something
like that.  Can anybody think what it might be?  Guesses?

Though Winter is a good guess about Delta Source, I kind of think it might
be Mon Mothma.  Comments...?
-- 
##############################  Swan  ##############################
## Just my luck.  I buy a suit with two pairs of pants, and I end ##
## up getting shot in the arm.      -- Art Carney, "Izzy and Moe" ##
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## ss1@kepler.unh.edu       rink@unh.edu        ss1@bofur.unh.edu ##
####################################################################
## AAH!  The fuel light is on!  We're running out of fuel!  We'll ##
## all die!!  Oh wait, that's the intercom light. -- The Far Side ##
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "Delta Source"
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:45:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep8.214550.1343@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>I think the mysterious Delta Source is the Chief Bothan (sorry, can't
>remember name right now)...Makes perfect sense, that the same person who
>tries to discredit an Alliance hero would also be an imperial spy....if the
>price was right.....

Fey'la (I think that's it)?  I don't think so.  In Dark Force Rising,
they made it seem that his discrediting of Admiral Ackbar was due to
ambition and ambition only.  He's loyal to the New Republic, but he
would like to get as high up in the Republic as he can.  Selling out
the entire Republic will not serve his ambition in any way at all,
but getting rid of Ackbar will.  It's easy to misguide him into doing
something against the Republic if you make it seem like it will
benefit him, but if he realizes it will hurt the Republic, I don't
think he would go along with it.  That's just the way I see it.

So, who do I think Delta Source is?  I'm not sure.  So far, the best
ideas I've seen have been the ones accusing "non-people" (i.e., the
plants in the palace, the computers, etc.).  Personally, I like the
plants one, so I'll go with that for now.

BTW, does anyone know what the title of Zahn's third book will be?
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Canon Debates....
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep6.150228.1302
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

All this stuff about Canon is annoying. Did all you folks come over here
after being kicked off rec/arts/startrek/* ?? 8-)

I read an article, I think in STARLOG, regarding the Dark Horse Comics and
Timothy Zahn novels, and they had a bit of an interesting comment in there.
I don't remember exactly how it goes, but the jest is that, "...LucasArts
is real lax with what is an what is not 'canon' or official. George said
that he did not want to ruin a good story, just because a character did
something that does not totaly jive with what is in the movies..." and went
on to say something like, "... the only thing they were worried about is
that none of our material conflicted with what they were going to do in the
movies...".

Basically, the article gave the feeling that Lucas was fairly open with
Star Wars, providing it is legal, of course, so long as what the author is
doing is believable, and does not tread on where he wants to take his story
in the future...

For example, when Dark Horse wanted to bring the Emperor back, they were
ok'd to do so, after Lucas saw that they had a justified and believable
means of doing so, not something like, "as he fell down the shaft, the
Emperor caught a walkway ledge and hauled himself up, then took a shuttle
and ....."

For once, I am glad to see this approach. When I read Trek book, which are
considered Taboo by the canon police, I don't usually look for things that
may have been different in film, but I enjoy the *STORY* (well, I usually
enjoy the story, except as of late)...

So, in my humble opinion, *SCREW CANONITY* and give us some really good
stories....

Dave