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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: My favorite...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:35:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.155243.23250@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>In article <l7hk8uINNgpd@aludra.usc.edu> perez@usc.edu (Richard Perez) writes:
>>Best Characters:
>>1. Boba Fett - the meanest looking muther in the galaxy!
>The most studly guy. A walking armory. eaten by a worm.

Really.  Why did they have to take the COOLEST minor character in the whole
trilogy and have him fall into the Sarlacc just because he got bumped on the
back!  AAAAAARRRRRRRGRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! (My scream, not his...)

>>5. Anyone who killed an Ewok....
>Not as cool as anyone who killed more than one.

Here, here.  They should have had the forest moon fall into the Sarlacc
instead of Fett.

>>Worst Characters:
>>2. Yoda - Jedi Master? looked like something that crawled out 
>>          of the swamp.
>He *DID*. :)

Yep, he did, and he is a pretty cool character in my opinion.  He is 
dangerously close to the "ugly, but he's soooo cute" chasm, but I think
they did a pretty good job of having him keep his distance.

One thing that just *kills* me about Yoda is that he totally acts Mark
Hamill off the screen.  Just watch him-- his facial expressions are like
twice as believable as Hamill's.  I can hear the conversation...

Kershner:  Uh..., Mark, might I have a word...
Hamill:  Yeah, what is it?
Kershner:  Well, uh, ... let me be frank.  You're being out-acted by
 	   a two and a half foot tall piece of green latex.
Hamill:  (frustrated) But the little guy gets all the good lines!

>
>>4. C-3PO - I wish he had a "mute" button.
>Was it just me, or did it seem that his midriff was terribly designed?

Actually, I really liked 3P0.  He and Solo are fantastic foils, especially
in ESB.

>>5. Stormtroopers - couldn't hit the side of a barn!
>Gotta hate inbreeding! :)

Well, yeah, but if they _could_ hit anything, all our heroes would be dead
by now. :(




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From: elee9tv@elroy.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:12:00 GMT

In article <l789v6INNm70@aludra.usc.edu>, joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes...
>In article <1992Jul27.154856.7780@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>Well, a lot of people, some a lot more important than others:
>>STUFF DELETED
>>Who are some others? 
> 
>What about:........
>	
>	Here are some that would have been neat:
>	    >>>>Luke in bacta bikinis <<<Pampers?
>		Luke and Leia in the robes at the end of Empire.
>		How a bout  a Vader with Anakin's face underneath?
>		
>	Any more?
> 
          Survival kits!   Ewok flea collers

	  breedo
	  more sand people
	  the Disco Dancing Stormtroopers from the Muppet show
	  


dan
		

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From: mel@Armstrong.EDU (Mel F. Buchheit)
Subject: Re: M-tv vs. star wars
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:33:37 GMT

In article <22JUL199212243150@jane.uh.edu> elee9tv@jane.uh.edu (BOING) writes:
>
>	when Return of the Jedi came out, i remember seeing a music video of
>  the band that played in Jabba's palace.It was an actual music video with
>blue elephant,singer  with the protruding lips,...
>
>
>	Does anyone remember seeing this or was there just too
>     much sulfite in my mash potatos?
>
>			Dan 


Well - You aren't crazy.... at least not any crazier than I am :)

I do remember the video, but I only saw it once on USA late one night
while babysitting.  (Many, many moons ago)  Anyway, the thing that bothers
me now that I've seen it, was the video with the lyrics in the alien
language (Lapti Nek? was the title) or in the english lyrics (Fancy Man,
was the translation, as I disremember from some source.)

Funny thing is - I have the Meco tape with the "rock" versions of the
Ewok celebration music and 'Lapti Nek.'  Its so awful, you want to burn
the songs. :)

Mel
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From: talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: stupid
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:08:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I think the bottom line is that it helps advance the plot.  It was useful
(and not *too* unbelievable) to have our heroes jump into a trash compactor
to escape the Stormtroopers. Along similar lines, it was useful to have the
Empire release all their garbage before entering hyperspace in TESB.

Yes, many events in the trilogy are stupid/unbelievable/ridiculous, etc.
However, Lucas isn't trying to be scientifically correct or attempt to come
up with the best possible solution for a specific problem.  Keep in mind that
the movies are supposed to be entertainment; accept them for what they are.
 
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From: iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Danny Iacovou)
Subject: Font
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:12:34 GMT


  Does anyone know what font they used to write "Star Wars" with. I mean
  the font that ties the letters together (know what I mean?).

  Thanks in advance.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Ben's Age
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:07:07 GMT

lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:

: 	Exactly (or generally) how old is Ben Kenobi in the first movie?
: I realize his age isn't stated anywhere in the movie itself, and I don't
: think it's in the novelization, but is it listed on the back of a trading
: card, or in the Marvel series, or anything? I *really* need to know.

Well, given Yoda was 800, the door is *wide* open for Ben. I'd
say anywhere from 60-500. 

This leads to a bigger and more important question: *when* were the
clone wars in relation to the first SW film? Was it a legendary thing
over 2 or 3 generations past, or recent, like WWII is to college
students today?

For some reason, I suspect the latter... making Ben the same age as
President Bush. :)

Why do I say this? Anakin was roughly Ben's age, when he died and
returned as a force-glow, and he was a pilot, of a fighter -- one of the
rebels' squadron leaders, a regular human, knew Luke's father.

Scott
(Don't mistake this for canon -- I'm speculating.)


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From: sjm8118@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Death Star Shields
Reply-To: sjm8118@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:17:24 GMT

   WEG's "Death Star Companion" indicates that the first Death Star does have
shields, although the seem kind of wimpy.  Apparently though, certain parts
of the Death Star are very heavily shielded, like the hideously exposed 
throne room of the emperor.  However in the first movie I've generally just
assumed that the typical Imperial overconfidence led to the destruction of
the Death Star.  Grand Moff Tarkin apparently scoffed at the offensive 
capability of the rebel fighters and perhaps felt no need to raise the 
defensive shields, allowing the turbolaser batteries eliminate the rebel forces
while saving the Death Star's power for the massive expeniture of power required
to vaporize Yavin.  I mean, the guy only launced one squadron of TIE fighters out of 
a possible 7,200!  Tarkin wanted to show off the power of his new toy and ended 
up incinerated for his trouble (Too bad, he was the only Imperial besides the
Emperor himself who had the clout to avoid ol' Darth's lethal force chokehold)

   Also, I seem to recall that at one point that there was, in fact, a Grand 
Moff Tarkin action figure.  A friend and I always ranked that way up there for
lamest figure, as he didn't (I believe) come with any sort of gun.  My friend
believes that he actually came with some sort of pointer!  He however is prone
to exaggeration.  Personally, I kinda dig Tarkin.

                              S. McDonough
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From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:34:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <N0NaoB2w164w@eebbs.isis.org> horizon@eebbs.isis.org (Ali Azarbar) writes:
>"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough" , Ben, ANH. 
>How did Ben get a hold of Anakin's lightsaber? Did Anakin give it to him 
>saying "I'm about to become evil now, so just take the saber, and give it to 
>my son of whom I have no idea of his existence when he's old enough. i'll be 
>getting a red one." ;-) Seriously, how did Kenobi get it? Did he cut off 
>Anakin's hand near the lava pit? (Ironic, if he did.)

Ben probably picked up Anakin's lightsaber when the two fought after Anakin
turned to the Dark Side.  He probably kept it as a momento of his former
friend and decided to give it to his son.  It probably helped Ben deal
with losing a friend to the Dark Side and it seemed to tempt Luke to learn
the ways of the Force in ANH.


Andy
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:45:23 GMT

mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

>On the original Death Star, the fighters could pass through the shields. On
>the new Death Star, the shields apparently weren't up yet (notwithstanding
>the Emperor's comment about "fully-functional battlestation"). However, I

The Death Star's shields weren't up yet, which was why it was floating in a
geostationary orbit above Endor. The Emperor never describes DS2 as fully-
functional, merely as "fully armed and operational."

>don't recall if Han had destroyed the shield generator by the time the SSD
>crashed.

The shield is definitely down - Ackbar orders the attack on Executor as part
of a delaying tactic to give more time to the fighters in the superstructure.

Plot holes that big are the sole provence of Star Trek.



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From: bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Ben's Death
Reply-To: bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:28:14 GMT


In a previous article, nab4574@summa.tamu.edu (Neil Alan Burleson) says:

>In article <1992Jul31.144834.9639@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg) writes...
>> 
>>This subject has always bothered me.  Why does Ben seem to give up while
>>fighting Vader?  When I saw ANH for the first time (I was about 7) I thought
>>that Ben was tranfering the Force from him to Luke.  Now I wonder if it was
>>because Yoda had told Ben that it was Luke's destiny to face Vader.
>> 
>>What is your opinions?
>>-Brian
>
>When Ben sees that the Stormtroopers are distracted by the fight and
>the others have their chance to get away, Ben realizes that there is
>no way for him to (a) defeat Vader AND (b) get around those Stormtroopers
>AND (c) avoid causing further disturbance and allowing reinforcements
>to come in. By giving away his life he knows that (a) "He will become
>stronger than Vader could ever imagine" AND (b) it's a sure ticket
>for the Falcon to leave.


Sorry doesn't work for me.  First of all if he continues to fight Vader the
Stormtroopers would have been even more distracted.  As it was the droids
were still approaching the ship when Ben died.  Had Ben waited longer the
escape would have been easier (i.e. no blasters except those from the
Stromtroopers shooting at the Falcon).  Second of all Ben didn't come back
astronger than Vader could ever imagine.
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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Doors
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:16:01 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul20.192208.6105@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>It has always irritated me how incredibly fast those doors close. When
>someone push the 'Close the door' button, the door comes down with The
>Speed. I really wouldn't like to be under the door in Death Star when
>it closes. Why would someone make that fast-moving doors in the galaxy
>far, far away?

If you look closely at these doors, you'll realize that Luke or whoever closes the
thing appears to "freeze", probably allowing the prop dudes to lower the door -
perhaps taking two or three frames to close.  Sort of a stop-motion trick.  Actually,
I think the effect looks pretty cool, but you're right: to be caught under one of those
babies is definitely contraindicated.


   -barry


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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: 4-LOM and other bounty hunters
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:05:55 GMT

joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
: He sure did. He was a bounty hunter in Empire. Maybe you can't see him if
: you don't have the fim letterboxed but he is standing to the right of 
: Zuckass. (To HIS left.)

Were some of the bounty hunters left on the cutting room floor?
I don't remember Zuckass *or* 4-LOM. 

And...

Where did the names come from? :) There wasn't a roll-call :)

What is IG-88's story? Phlutdroid? Where's he from?

Scott

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From: happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots)
Subject: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:42:17 GMT

   I've read both "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Force Rising" by Zahn
and thought they were excellent.  Does anyone know when the third and
final book will hit the book stores?  Thanks for the info!!


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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Droid Numbers
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:52:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul28.135231.127
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>21B (where does the '-' go? :))

2-1B (actually, it is Two-OneBee)

The *ACTUAL* name of R2-D2 came when Lucas asked an assistant to hand him
Real 2, Dialog 2 -- or R2-D2 !!!

Dave
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:35:50 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <18tk02hk1cZ801@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>
>Wasn't whitey on the bloackade runner at the beginning of ANH?

There were three different 3PO's:
	The everfamiliar gold *original*.
	The silver one.
		From the blockade runner.
		The "E chu ta" droid from Bespin.
	The white one from Hoth.

Wouldn't that be neat if there was a black 3PO? Created by the Empire as
an assassin. Neato!!!

-joshuali@usc.edu
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From: travis@cco.caltech.edu (Leopold E. Travis)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:31:11 GMT

rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:

>The imperials won't figure out how to detect warp ships quickly.  They have
>to posit about new physics principles, and design experiments to verify them.
>The Manhattan Project was more engineering than physics, and still took years.
...
>On the other hand, once the imperials figure out how to detect warp ships, and
>how to engage them, ALL imperial warships will have to undergo a complete
>sensor and weapon refit which will take years; although, they may actually have
>the time.  The imperials will then have to learn how to fight at FTL, the
>HARD WAY, by experience.   Even worse, the only way to test the abilities of
>the new weapons will be to use them against warp capable ships, telemetry
>recovery could be a problem. 

Even if we accept that the Empire cannot fight at FTL speeds, the
Federation still has to deal with the Death Star.  As I've pointed
out, the energy output required to destroy an earth-type planet is
on the order of 10^17 megatons--nearly two weeks' output from the sun.
Given this kind of power, it seems difficult to believe that Federation
weaponry could penetrate the Death Star's shields.  (And it was my
understanding that only small craft such as fighters could slip
through the shields like the rebels did).

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:23:30 GMT


In a previous article, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:

>Well, a lot of people, some a lot more important than others:
>
>* Mon Mothma -- *the* rebel leader, after all

Are you sure about this?  I don't really trust my memory, but 
I think I remember seeing one.  Might have been one of those
french-spanish-english editions.

(No, really!  I mean it!)

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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:25:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <6Pw7NB1w164w@eebbs.isis.org>, horizon@eebbs.isis.org (Ali Azarbar) writes:
> How exactly did the Falcon, with a crippled hyperdrive and only sublight 
> speeds available, make it from Hoth to an asteroid field all the way to 
> Bespin, which is another solar system presumably light years away?

OK, this is pure speculation, but was isn't on this group:

Assuming that Han & Co. didn't cryogenically sleep (a technology I recall was
mentioned somewhere...but it isn't important to this idea anyway.) there might
be some other method of FTL travel than the normal hyperspace.  Warp drive
anybody?  As I remember also, in TESB Han hooked up the Millenium Falcon to
a Star Destoryer to give them a little bit of a boost.  And mind you, I don't
think Han had any particular direction in mind...hence his calling up the
various star charts just trying to find out where he was at.  OK, I remember
that part of the story involved Han trying to hide out with the garbage, but
maybe they had gone to another star system first.  Flame away...It's only a
rough idea, and words don't hurt too much.

			Rob "Woodchip" Horning
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From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Help
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 21:37:53 GMT

Does anyone out there happen to have the StarWars nintendo game that
came out recently?If so I would be interested in corrosponding.there
are some spot's I can't figure out.
Also if you have the S.W. 'tindo do you have the empire 'tindo tape?

..........help me sci-fi fans,..you're my only hope!
				John
From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: A Question About the DS and DSII
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:31:33 GMT
Organization: Vomit World

In article <1992Jul28.202148.779@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> wwpretty@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu writes:
>I recently rewatched Star Wars. I got to wondering (again) about 
>the Death Star, or more specifically, its' structure. 
>Since it is the size of a small moon; is the interior laid out as spheres 
>within spheres with a central core. Or is it just decks/levels stacked
>on top of each other?
>
>In Star Wars the Millenium Falcon is brought in at the 'equator',and 
>Luke and Leia swinging across the chasm, makes it look like decks stacked
>on top of each other. As does the DSII as seen from a distance. But 
>in RotJ, we also see the Emporer get thrown down a shaft that looks like it 
>goes to the center of the DSII. Also the chase scenes flying through the 
>DSII to the main reactor, makes me think of the spheres structure.

The Emperor's Death Plunge down that shaft isn't a very good data point for
either of your possibilities.  In one of the lead-ins to the Emperor's 
throne room, we see a tall, thin tower projecting from the surface of the
Death Star... that, combined with the geometry of the inside of the throne room 
and the position of the viewports makes it look like the Emperor's chambers 
are at the top of the tower.

If so, the structure could be either, although in the case of the decks upon
decks model there would hyae to be some weird variations in the DS's 
artificial gravity...  otherwise that would be one awful elevator ride.

>
>
>       Just a question.  Thank you for your attention.
>
>                                                  Bill Pretty


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