HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: Circumcision...
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:40:23 GMT

In <7147.466.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>GD>Subject: Circumcision as mutilation

>...but the foreskin obtained is an invaluable source for fresh and
>healthy fibroblast cultures!

>:-), Carl.

> * OLX 2.1 TD * The penis mightier than the sword.
 


If Carl is serious,this may be a good indication of why we need more
women in medicine. Sensitivity seems to be a pratical impossibility
for the majority of male MDs.
>                                                        
--
I               Gary Davis Dpt. of Electrical Engineering
                University of Vermont
Xref: sparky sci.med:21267 sci.med.nutrition:1376
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Royal Jelly
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:06:59 GMT

What about Royal Jelly in combination with Royal Peanut Butter?

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
sickness itself.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Offensive BO
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:41:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov18.034155.28715
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov17.153003.702@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>Coincidentally, I read Wendy's posting just after reading Siegfried Kra's
>_The Three-Legged Stallion_.  Which is a collection of rather interesting
>medical stories.  One of them involves a fastidious woman who suddenly
>developed the smell of dead fish.  It turned out that she had a metabolic
>disorder which resulted in trimethylamine being excreted in her urine,
>producing the odor.  She was treated with metronidazole hydrochloride to
>break down the TMA

I can't imagine how metronidazole would "break down" TMA.  Metronidazole
is a drug with activity against certain protozoa and anaerobic bacteria.
It would stop any odors secondary to infections cause by susceptible
microorganisms, but I'm hard pressed to think of a metabolic disorder
it would work against.

>and put on a low choline diet (no soybeans, peas, eggs,
>fish, liver, kidney) which got rid of the odor.

People taking choline in large quantities as a  "smart drug" often report
this as a side effect (maybe they should call them smelly drugs...)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Dorsal column stimulator..questions
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Reply-To: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: Somewhere in Bloomington, Indiana
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:13:41 GMT

I have a few questions about dorsal-column stimulators.

1.) Once the device is totally implanted, how is it "programmed"?
2.) Assuming that is IS "programmable" or adjustable, who does this?
    Does the patient carry the external programmer/controller, or is
    this something that only the doctor performs?
3.) Batteries - what type and how long do they last?
4.) Are there known and accurate statistics concerning "drop-off rates"
    of effectiveness in pain relief?
5.) What is the approximate typical cost (of just the hardware).
6.) What is the approximate typical cost of the surgery.
7.) Is the implant usually an outpatient or inpatient surgical
    procedure, and if inpatient, what's a typical length of hospital
    stay?

Any information is appreciated. 

Jim Graham 

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From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Royal Jelly
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:40:28 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Nov18.055317.8976@seanews.akita.com>, billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:

> The lack of knowledge of haggis is due to a conspiracy of the
> western FDA/Insurance/Medical establishment.  Basically since haggis
> eliminates the risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease, ulcers,
> athlete's foot, and canker sores -- knowledge of and an increase in
> the intake of haggis would put the western industrial health combine
> out of business.
> 
> Haggis, nature's recipe for health.

Aye, but is it really the haggis that posesses all these wonderous qualities
or the pint of scotch that one must also consume to get the stuff down?

David (my grandmother was a Sutherland and my dad plays the bagpipes) Nye
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as Medical Fraud
Keywords: circs
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:35:02 GMT
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky

In article <gdavis.722200408@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:

[...stuff deleted about the evil forces inducing parents to circ children...]
>
>As far as the hygiene issue goes its more difficult for a kid to wash
>his face than penis,yet we still see circumcision advocated for hygiene.
>
>Its largely done from conformity and out of ignornace.
>--
>I               Gary Davis Dpt. of Electrical Engineering
>                University of Vermont

As the father of two circumcised boys (the last 6weeks ago) you might
be interested to know the cost was $60 - hardly a money maker for the MD.
Also, the choice *is* a personal decision for the parents to make;

If you have kids, you should know that getting them to was their faces
(as with any part of their bodies) is next to impossible.

-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: margaret@igor.tamri.com (Margaret Kritzer)
Subject: Steroids for Cancer Patients?
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:56:13 GMT

A friend has terminal cancer.  She was taking steroids to reduce
the tumors' pressure on her spine, thus reducing pain.  Her doctors
are concerned about the steroid dosage, and want to reduce this and
put her on something else.

My first question:  what are the side effects of big steroid dosage
that could be significant in light of her health situation?  She has
retained lots of water, to the point of looking quite "blown up", but
what else are they worried about?

2nd question:  any ideas on what they might give her as an alternative?
She's taking morphine also.

Thanks.



-- 


==========================================================================
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Deprenyl
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:57:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Nov16.235730.2369
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Deprenyl is an irreversible inhibitor of MAO-B purported to slow the
progression of Parkinson's disease.  It as been in use in Europe for
many years as an adjunct in the symptomatic treatment of PD.  The
Europeans have, I am told, not been terribly excited about the drug.
The studies that have purported to show slowing of the progression of
the disease have methodological problems.  It is usually given twice
a day.  A month's worth costs around $100.

My question/suggestion:  since it irreversibly inhibits MAO-B and has
a half life of well over a month, why not give only two tablets a
month?  That is, presuming that one thinks it should be given at all
if it's efficacy hasn't been proven conclusively.  It sure would be a
heck of a lot cheaper.  Thoughts?

David Nye
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Circumcisions as Medical Fraud
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:18:08 GMT
Keywords: circs

In article <By10Do.1Kt@fig.citib.com> ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica) writes:
>Show me someone who really WANTS TO mutilate part of their own body,
>and I'll show you a masochist.  :-)

I'll have to let my wife know she's a masochist.  After all, she "mutilated"
her earlobes.  Willingly.  Heck, she *paid* someone to do it to her.

>Copyright (c) 1992 Renato Ghica / ghica@fig.citib.com

Uh, oh.  Guess I'm guilty of copyright infringement.  Better sue me.

Bill
-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Summary of evidence for homeopathy
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<dank.721767362@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov> <1992Nov16.211637.29491@sr.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:16:42 GMT

Oscillococcinum has been evaluated in a double blind test and found to
be effective (1). It is most effective when taken within 48 hours of
the first signs of flu. And one should follow the usual rules for
taking homeopathic medicine: take between meals and avoid coffee and
products containing camphor.

(1) J.P. Ferley, D.Zimirou, D. D'Adhemar, et al., "A Controlled
Evaluation of a Homeopathic Preparation in the Treatment of
Influenza-like Syndromes," British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology,
27(1989):329-35. 
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		O tempora! O mores!

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: paulo@ohmeda.com (Paul E. Ourada)
Subject: Re: mental abuse
Organization: Ohmeda Monitoring Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:54:04 GMT

draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com (PAM DRAPER) writes:

>Does anyone know if there is a group that talks about mental health issues?
>Or a community group in Northern Virginia that I could go to?  I'm in an
>emotionally abusive relationship and need help to gain the strength to get
>out of it.

>Any help would be appreciated.

I'd look up the local chapter of Co-Dependants Anonymous for meeting
places and times.  You'll find they are a very understanding bunch.
Most have been where you are now.  The four letter acronym is CoDA.

Paul Ourada
paulo@ohmeda.com

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine - need definition
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:55:52 GMT

In article <17472@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>
>I started this, and I am a medical person.  Many of us are getting
>very weary of all the alternative medicine advice that is getting
>posted to sci.med, and tired of combatting it all the time.  People
>query sci.med and get answered by a bunch of quacks.  I'd like a
>newsgroup where they can go and quit bothering us, frankly.  There
>is a real danger that the doctors are going to leave sci.med due to
>this sort of thing, (among others) and then the quacks will have 
>sci.med as their main newsgroup.  

I think the real reason you proposed the alternative group is that
you don't like controversy when it dares to challenge the party line.
I think when people are presented with more than one viewpoint, they
are intelligent enough to decide for themselves which is valid. They
don't need you to shout "quack" whenever an alternative approach is
suggested. 


-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           Orthodoxy is the death of intelligence.            
green@srilanka.island.com            - Bertrand Russell                               
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Summary of evidence for homeopathy
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.173752.18164@nuscc.nus.sg>
med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN) writes:

   A simple question - are homeopaths doing research or not? They can't
   claim to be poor victims of an allopathic conspiracy and then point to
   clinical trials to back their claims. So what is it?

   And it is no use complaining about how difficult it is to conduct
   clinical trials - it is not, was not and probably will never be an easy
   thing to do. Deal with it and do something about it. But stop
   re-treading the same arguments.

   gervais

Last week I posted a partial list of clinical studies of homeopathy
currently under way.  There were seven studies on the list. Given the
limited resources available for the study of homeopathy, I think this
demonstrates a reasonable commitment to scientific research.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		O tempora! O mores!

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: homeopathic remedies
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:37:53 GMT

If you are looking for a homeopathic remedy for allergies or a stuffy
nose, you have several choices. The first, and simplest, is to use a
homeopathic combination remedy. Nature's Way recently introduced a
line of combination remedies and is promoting it heavily. It includes
a hay fever combination remedy as well as one for colds and flu. They
are available at most General Nutrition Center (GNC) stores. The
second alternative is to use a single homeopathic remedy. Classical
homeopaths believe that single remedies work better than combination
remedies.  To choose the correct single remedy, you will need a home
guide to homeopathic medicine. Probably the best guide is "Everybody's
Guide to Homeopathic Medicines" by Cummings and Ullman (Tarcher). If
you can't find the book locally, you can order it from Homeopathic
Educational Services. If you are new to using homeopathic remedies, be
prepared to make one or two mistakes before you find the proper
remedy. The last alternative is to find a homeopathic physician in
your area and have him prescribe a constitutional remedy for your
hayfever. Homeopaths believe that constitutional care can cure
hayfaver and not just alleviate the symptoms. By their own estimates,
they can cure about 80% of all cases. However, treatment is lengthy.
An average case may take three years. So undergoing this treatment
requires patience and confidence in your physician. To find a
homeopathic physician in your area, contact the National Center for
Homeopathy or the International Foundation for Homeopathy.

Medicines from Nature
Homeopathic Combination Remedies by Nature's Way
Call 1-800-944-4330 for free sample and information

Homeopathic Educational Services
2124 Kittredge St.
Berkeley, CA 94704
Write for free catalog

The National Center for Homeopathy
801 N. Fairfax #306
Alexandria VA 22314
(703) 548-7790
Call or send SASE for homeopathic physicians in your area

The International Foundation for Homeopathy
2366 Eastlake Ave., E., Suite 301
Seattle WA 98102
(206) 324-8230
Call or send SASE for homeopathic physicians in your area

--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		O tempora! O mores!

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: julien@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: <None>
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:37:20 GMT

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Xref: sparky sci.med:21089 soc.culture.latin-america:4339 alt.activism:18875 talk.politics.misc:60409
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med,soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: American Public Health Association Protests Denial of Cuban Health Minister's Visa
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:51:21 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

David Sangurima Posts:

>Here is a press release from the American Public Health Association.

>    WASHINGTON, Nov. 11  -- The Executive Board of the American
>Public Health Association (APHA) has registered its strong
>protest of the U.S. State Department's refusal to grant an entry visa
>to Dr. Julio Teja Perez, minister of public health of Cuba.
>   APHA invited Teja to participate in its 120th annual meeting now
>taking place in Washington, D.C.  In his letter, APHA Executive
>Director William H. McBeath reminded Acting Secretary of State
>Lawrence Eagleburger that "Effective public health programs and
>services are forged from a wide array of thought and practice, both
>national and international.  Public health professionals in the U.S.
>have much to learn from our Cuban colleagues, who have fashioned many
>innovative and successful strategies to problems we face in our own
>communities."

Of course they have a lot to learn, but if they let them in, then the protest 
note would come from the gay community in the U.S. which has seen how AIDS 
patients in Cuba have been interned in concentration camps where they await 
their final days secluded from  society, in order to maintain a healthy 
population of prostitutes so that tourist dolars can keep coming in.  If "Dr." 
Teja would come here and vent his ideas on AIDS prevention we might soon see 
Alcatraz remodeled to accomodate new guests being moved out ot the Castro 
District in San Francisco.  And they sill wonder why we can't allow this?  
Nevertheless, since there are no travel restrictions for attending conferences 
in Cuba, perhaps our poor medical professionals here would like to host their 
event in Havanna, where they could have an eyewitness account of "Dr" Tejas's 
medical revolution, and spend some of their incomes subsidizing it.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: How do antidepressants work (was: Re: anxiety drugs)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:51:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.145503.2250@anasazi.com>
john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
 
>I have a friend who suffers from sever OCD/Depression. He takes Prozac
>and Klonipin (sp?), but says that when he takes the Klonipin it "slows
>down his thinking". As a result, he frequently goes off the Klonipin, and
>then soffers OCD episodes that result in his hospitalization, and often
>in suicide attempts.
>
>Why would Klonipin cause this perception?
 
Klonopin (clonazepam) is a benzodiazepine.  Benzodiazepines do do this.
 
Other benzodiazepines are Valium (diazepam), Xanax (alprazolam), Versed
(midazolam), and Ativan (lorazepam).
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: What homing device does a virus use?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:33:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester

In article <1992Nov18.052415.29134@crc.ac.uk> mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Dr. M.C. Diffin) writes:
>Viruses tend to have specific target tissues independent of the route of
>entry, eg  rabies is generally transmitted by bites, but the skin is not
>attacked (the virus is retrogradely transported by nerves to the CNS
>where it binds to ACh receptors).  Similarly, HSV is retrogradely
>transported to a ganglion where it resides until some stimulus causes it
>to move back and cause the patent infection.   
>
>*Very* simply, most viruses obey the following:
>
>
>1. Primary contact (faecal/oral, serum &c)
>2. Viraemia (virus particles multiply & are distributed in circulation)
>3. Infection of target tissue (specific virus/receptor interaction)
>4. Disease (clinical or latent)

To further elaborate:  Most viruses are adapted for their target tissues.

In the cases I know about, it seems that the viral coat proteins bind
to cell-surface proteins on cells in the target tissue.  Then, in the
normal course of recycling cell membrane, or as the result of a normal
vacuolization, the virus is incorporated into a vacuole in the cytoplasm.

What kind of vacuole, and what kind of further events occur, depend on
the cell type and the kind of cell-surface protein that the virus targets.
The upshot is that eventually the core proteins and nucleic acids are
incorporated into the cell cytoplasm, where they begin their dirty work
of subverting the cell's metabolism.

The transport of rabies and HSV are accomplished by the normal circulation
of specialized cytoplasm in neural axons.  It is this circulation that
carries neurotransmitters from their site of ``manufacture'' to the synapse.

So, the equivalent of soil is a cell with the right cell-surface proteins,
and internal processing that does not destroy the virus.  Stony ground is
anything else.
-- 
Mark A. Fulk			University of Rochester
Computer Science Department	fulk@cs.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Summary of evidence for homeopathy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:42:56 GMT

In article <17493@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.170512.3418@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>
>>It is not a question of fairness. It is a question of cost. Such trials 
>>costs a tremendous amount of money. Where is it going to come from? Upjohn
>>isn't going to pay for it. In an ideal world, clinical trials such as
>>you propose would be great. But in this society, the allopaths control
>>the pursestrings, so it ain't gonna happen.
>
>Clinical trials can be done if the clinician donates his time,
>the patients are not paid, and the drugs are not expensive.
>I'm sure you'd find enough patients enthusiastic enough about
>homeopathy to agree to the trials.  One drawback might be the
>lack of scientific training on the part of the homeopath.  The
>experiment would have to be designed so that a difference detected
>would be valid, but given enough time and patients, I see no reason
>that such a thing need cost megabucks.  The main expense for clinical
>trials is salary support anyhow.
>-- 


I agree completely.  This "allopaths control the pursestrings" and
"tremendous amount of money" business are just excuses.  The real
thing here is the fact that the field of homeopathic medicine doesn't 
have the scientific background which would just naturally lead its 
practitioners to DESIRE their therapies to be scientifically tested in 
settings such as clinical trials.  

P.S. Robert, you stated that having treatments supported by clinical
testing was the "ideal world".  Does this mean that you think that
"allopathy" operates in an ideal fashion which homeopathy should emulate
but can't quite manage?  

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado)
Subject: Circumcisions (Are they ever performed on adults ?)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:35:29 GMT


Greetings.  Could someone explain why circumcisions are preformed in the
first place ?  Wouldn't it be just as effective to stretch the foreskin so
it is loose enough to be fully retracted ?

Anyway, what options are available to adult men who were not circumsized at
birth.  Are circumcisions ever performed on non-infants ?  Does a device 
exsist that can be worn for a few weeks, that stretches the foreskin ?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Condoms and the effect on AIDS transmission rates
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:39:39 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov16.230501.4100@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>It's important to understand that while condoms have a failure rate, and
>this rate is reflected in rates of pregnancies and HIV infection ...

It's also important to understand that part of the published failure
rates of condoms is failures due to not using one, i.e., you were part
of a condom test trial, but you ran out, meant to use one but got
carried away, a "friend" tied a knot in it as a prank, etc.. What we'd
all really like to know is the failure rate of properly used condoms;
but most studies find that too difficult to establish.


-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205