From: math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (Dave "Dylan" Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.13NOV199211552913
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In article <97487@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes...
>In article <nestabro.721661764@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
> 
>>One of the most faulty arguments for "secular" things is that, "well, they
>>talk about _real_ life, and _real_ problems that we can't just _hide_
>>from."  I got news - Scripture talks about every important problem there is,
>>and gives the solution for it.  If that ain't real life, nothin' is.
> 
>Maybe the point is that until recently, most Christian contemporary music was
>absolutely silent about real life and real problems.  It's been heartening to
>see people like Amy Grant come out with something on incest.  And I'm always
>encouraged when Christians -- like Mark Heard and Bruce Cockburn -- sing
>honestly about the pain and difficulty in life.  Not to say that praise songs
>and rejoice songs aren't important -- they are!  But so are the others, and
>they've been noticably absent from the "Christian" lexicon.  It makes me
>appreciate all the more the black blues/gospel tradition.
> 
>>>How do you decide what is worldly? I guess it depends on your
>>>particular flavor of Christianity.....WHO decides....after all what
>>>makes a "christian" song a "christian" song?
> 
>Good question.  What exactly is "Christian" music?  
> 
>>I don't think it's individual at all.  God told us what is worldly in his
>>Word.  If millions of people in the world hold something in high esteem,
>>there's a good  chance it's not of God (since the world doesn't appreciate
>>the things which are of God).
> 
>Well, how about romantic love?  Marriage?  Sex?  I'd say the world holds
>those things in very high esteem.  Of course, we also warp them.  And what
>about food?  Shelter?  Money?  Music?  Books?  Health?  Those aren't
>ungodly at all.  We can and do make idols of them -- _that's_ worldy.    
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-- 
>The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
>if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Thanks for responding to the above post. I was getting afraid that I was
the only christian who felt at least different from everyone else. I don't
mind that people try to seperate themselves, but to me Jesus always comes
across as the ultimate "rebel", which so many despise on here, who was
always in touch with the "real world" because that's where the true
emotions were, not in the "holier than thou" attitudes of the pharisese (sp?).
  Anyhow its nice to see at least someone else who can see things in both
ways....
    Vaya con Dios

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