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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Fishin' Extravagance
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:17:29 GMT

In article <Bsw2w7.CIt@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
|> 	Since you brought it up:
|> 	How about a Starcraft 14' runabout with a 50 HP Chrysler for $295?
|> 	That's almost giving it away since the new lower unit and tuneup 
|> 	cost more than that.  The (water sking) kids are gone and like
|> 	I said, I can catch more from shore near home so I don't need it.

Roger, where is uiuc?  Sounds far from Raleigh NC. (Iowa???).

		-Pat.

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Re: Panfish? (Was: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.180641.28240@uvm.edu>, jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors) writes:
> 
> Why are they called panfish?  I have never met anyone who even heard
> of anyone eating a sunfish or bluegill.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?   Friend, you've been missing something.  Bluegill, punkinseeds,
sunnies - ALL delicious.  If they're 6" or over, I fillet them, but you can
scale them and fry them breaded.  When the kids insist on keeping the little
guys, I just poach them whole in boiling water for about 20 seconds, then use
a fork to flake off the meat.

Believe me, it's good food.
From: hesed@shekinah.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Brumm)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: need live-bait party boat recommendation
Date: 18 Aug 1992 20:34:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: hesed@shekinah.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shekinah

Can anyone recommend a good party-boat outfit for live-bait ling fishing out of
the bay area?  I used to use RainSong alot because it was a cut above the other
charters I'd been on... fast, clean boats, never overcrouded, didn't draft diesel
fumes, and the crew was always friendly.  Now that they've gone out of business
I've been reluctant to go again but will be in pretty bad shape if I don't get in
a live bait trip or two this fall.

Thanks!
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: New Fly Fishing Club in Central Massachusetts
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:41:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1067@ceylon.gte.com> USERID@bunny.gte.com (PERSONAL NAME) writes:

Jim Kaye talks about a fly fishing club and goes on to say...

| The pond holds some of the biggest trout I have ever seen. How 
|about rainbows in the ten pound range? 

A 10# rainbow is not that big (though I'd love to catch one that size).  A
friend of mine caught a 12# rainbow last year.  There are many places where
they get much larger. 

My point here is that what might be considered a large fish in one area, a
fish of the same species of that size might not get the attention of the
locals of another area.  For example, a 20# salmon out here is considered
a pretty nice fish.  Up in British Columbia and Alaska a 35# salmon barely
gets a second look.  I haven't seen a brook trout in the Sierra's anything
approaching the 23 incher that was described the other day.  

-- 
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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Night Fishing in the RAIN ;(
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:12:58 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

I have a night BASS fishing tournament coming up this weekend.
The lake is a VERY deep, crevice type lake (ie, it slants downwards towards
the center channel of the lake). I'd like some suggestions on what to use,
how to relate to the depth which is 3-4feet at the banks, 12-15 feet only
a few feet from shore and 120 feet or deeper in the center.

There are a few shallow bays.. Should I concentrate on these?? Also, given
the forecast (rain, rain showers and drizzle), will this affect where the fish
hold/feed at night. NOTE: Sat night is something like 3 pays post full-moon.
Will this affect lure color? Choice? Presentation?

MY THOUGHTS (briefly)
1: Fish BLACK topwaters near any humps, structure, or cover
2: Try shoreline for a while.. THEN MOVE SHALLOW
3: BRING LOTS OF COFFEE......

We blast-off at 6pm.. weight-in at 2am in a well lit parking lot....

THANKS FOR ANY INPUT!!!!

Tight Lines.....

						Mike Fishman
				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
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{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
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Xref: sparky rec.outdoors.fishing:157 rec.backcountry:6070
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Wanted Large FLATBOTTOM-CHEAP!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:24:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

In article <Aug07.215727.18359@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.212928.6230@beaver.cs.washington.edu> misha@cs.washington.edu (Michael Rabinovich) writes:
>>             ^^^^^^
>> Since I arrived into this country, one thing that really amazed me was
>>the monstrosity of these huge boat motors. Back in my country (I am from
>>xUSSR), fishermen and hunters used 3-5 hp motors and did fine. The speed was
>>not that spectacular, but the noise and exhaust is much lower also, and it gets
>>you there. And who needs racing while fishing and hunting? Would not we rather 
>>trade it for more peaceful experience? And finally, powerful motors use
>>a lot of gas, pollute more, desturb wildlife and destroy shallow spawning
>>grounds for fish (by generating waves). Do we really need them? Let's have a 
>>little pity for the environment! 

I did quite fine with a 12 foot flatboat and a small trolling motor in
Texas. Usually outfished people with bigger boats and motors. :-)

However, in the summer, people with these larger boats out-fished me
since they could troll in deeper water, whereas I could not.

Pat Fitzpatrick
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.backcountry
From: geraghty@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kevin M Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Wanted Large FLATBOTTOM-CHEAP!!!
Originator: geraghty@griffin
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:36:24 GMT

From article <1992Aug12.141258.12719@spdc.ti.com>, by burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris):
> In article <1992Aug10.032808.9990@informix.com> coburn@informix.com (Dave Coburn) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug9.144103.10855@ncsu.edu> plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>>>In article <Aug07.215727.18359@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>>|> Going fishing means seventy horse-power motors...
>>>
>>>Wayne, 
>>>
>>>What kind of sissy are you?  A puny little 70hp motor just is NOT 
>>>going to cut it (unless you put it on a dumb little square stern canoe).
>>>There is no posted speed limit in the middle of the lake!!! 
>>>
>>>		-Pat.
>>
>>You wanna see something that *REALLY* takes off?  Check out my 10 ft. jon
>>boat. . .twin 150 Evenrudes!
> 
>    I'll bet it takes off? (straight to the bottom ;))
> 
> Jim Burris

***What is this discussion doing in this news group?  This should be
in rec.brainless-internal-combustion-engine-pastimes***
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: re : rod cases
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:07:05 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
> 
> >The pvc is bulletproof all right, though I used the black stuff
> >(abs) in 5" diameter.
> 
> 
> Sorry Charles. Actually, it was someone else. I've had several
> people email me directly.
> 
> re: the black PVC pipe, another guy who emailed me said use the
> white pipe; the black stuff apparently melts at a lower
> temperature. I don't know if its true but it sounded OK to me.
> 
> Jim

I have about a dozen cases of different length and material.  Some are
made of PVC, "the white stuff", and some are of ABS "the black stuff".
The PVC is heavy and thicker walled than the ABS and is likely the 
stronger of the two.  However ABS seems to be plenty strong and is 
lighter to handle.  I have not experienced the warping problem mentioned
in an earlier post.  Since most of my recent cases have been built of 
ABS it must be my favored material.  Definately use a clean out plug on 
the removable end.  It is much easer and more secure than the taped on 
end cap approach.

Bryan
         
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: davidw@cie.uoregon.edu (David Weingarten)
Subject: BC & Octopus for sale
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:41:52 GMT

For sale:

1 Sea Elite Adventure II Buoyancy Compensator.  Brand new.  Got it
with a package, and I already have a BC.  Lists for $400 ($398),
asking $325 obo.  It's still in the plastic wrapping.

1 Sea Elite Delux Octopus.  Also brand new.  Lists for about $60,
asking $50 obo.

dmw@santafe.edu
davidw@cie.uoregon.edu

(503) 635-2230
			-- David
 
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Dry Suit HELP!
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:43:38 GMT

David Berzins <berzins@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> writes:
>...  But I was not
>expecting him to tell me I could'nt get into an Ultra Light as there are no
>companies on the market that sell custom Ultra Light dry suits!  He did however
>tell me that I could get a custom neopren suit.  Now the whole reason for me
>going dry is that I would like to get away from the neopren suits.  The suit I
>was looking and (and liked) was a White's.  Does anyone out there have and
>ideas or suggestions on what I should do?  Any help would be apprecaited.

Viking suits can be customized.  I was talking to the president of Viking
Canada a few months ago and apparently this is a service they offer to
their dealers.  It's also possible for dive shop staff to do the
alterations, if they have the training, but it's hard to stay current with
just one shop's alteration volume.

As a satisfied user, allow me to put in a quick plug for their suits.  I've
been diving one for a few years now with no complaints.
-- 
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From: mango@nova.esd.sgi.com (Eric Manghise)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Article in Current _SCUBA Times_
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:13:06 GMT
Reply-To: mango@nova.esd.sgi.com (Eric Manghise)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <BtB3Cv.HwJ@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
|> 
|>      Then I stared in disbelief at the line "I was pretty sure I
|> was the only person in the water that night for miles. I liked that
|> thought."
|> 
|>      I think the article is a clear demonstration that stupidity
|> (not to mention irresponsibility, for daring to condone the solo
|> night/cold-water/wreck/current dive in Scuba Today) isn't just a
|> sign of novice divers.  Marty's article shows that it can be a
|> symptom of anyone, regardless of dive equipment, qualifications, or
|> experience. I guess for that, I am thankful to him and Scuba Today.
|> 
|>      Even if I'm making my 5000th dive in some quarry in Ohio,
|> common sense will still be a part of my dive plan.
|> 
|> 

	People are solo climbing mountains, kayaking down class IV and V
	rivers, jumping out of airplanes, jumping off 400 ft high towers
	with bungy cords attached to them, racing cars around tracks at
	200mph+, skiing off cornices, are these people stupid. 
	
	It sounds like you have been totally indoctrinated into the world
	of PADI which preaches never dive without a buddy, which is not
	bad advice. But wake up to the fact that people are soloing diving
	and it has been going on for a long time. I am sure Mr. Snyderman
	has taken certain precaution to be redundant and safe. There are
	always going to be people who push the edge of the envelope and
	are going to be judged as stupid or radical. There is a point
	you will reach someday (maybe) in your diving where being underwater
	is as comfortable as being on land. It takes a long time to come
	to the point where you can solo dive and feel good about it. There
	are safe ways to solo dive. Hunters and photographers have been
	doing it. A buddy is someone to share the dive with, he or she
	is not your bailout bottle and as such you shouldnt rely on your
	buddy to save you in an emergency. You should be prepared to bail
	yourself out of any situation.

	If Marty penetrated the wreck without a line and a buddy, then
	I would have to say that was stupid. But if he just swam around
	the wreck and had a redundant setup than he was doing it by the
	book. 

	I am sure my response will stir the coals. And start some fires.

 

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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Dixie Divers in Ft. Pierce
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:35:11 GMT

Does anyone have any experiences with Dixie Divers
in Ft. Pierce, Florida?

-- 
Larry Snyder
larry@gator.rn.com
From: lepore@insane.sanders.lockheed.com (Lee Lepore)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: just curious...
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:09:15 GMT
Organization: Information Systems Division, Lockheed Sanders

In article <1992Aug16.041711.21587@coelho.COM> drc@coelho.COM (david r coelho) writes:

>I recently went for a couple of dives and made the mistake of taking
>the wrong 1st stage setup which had no low-pressure hose for my drysuit.
>I proceeded with the dive anyway, and had no real difficulty getting to
>60 feet although the squeeze was a little uncomfortable.

Hmmmm, you must have been a lovely shade of purple after that dive!  If you 
were, how do you explain a whole body hickey?  Anyhow, it doesn't seem like 
much fun.

		Lee

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From: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Article in Current _SCUBA Times_
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur


I've just started to scratch the surface of UW photography, and one
thing I've learned is that a photographer (and his/her buddy!) is generally
on a solo dive, even though you are diving together and following a plan.

Photographers are foucussing on finding subjects, and that is guaranteed
to impact your buddy-awareness.  You need to be comfortable with the
fact that your buddy may not be an arm's length away, so you are a 
solo diver with other divers somewhere nearby.  This means having
good buoyancy and navigation skills, redundant air supply (octopus),
managing your time and air with good margin, *and* keeping track of
where/how far your buddy is.

	In some sense, every dive is a solo dive.  The buddy system
is a good thing, and does help reduce risk in diving; but nobody should
count entirely on their buddy for their own safety.  Plan your dive, and
dive your plan.  Allow extra margin on the tables and in your air supply.
Carry redundant air supply.  Navigate well.   Watch your depth.  All of
these dive rules are intended to make each diver an aware, safe diver.

Your buddy is a backup system, not your primary safety.

chas/
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: VIP/HYDRO & air fills?
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:49:27 GMT

schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>   I have a Question regarding visual inspections and hydrostatic testing.  I
>buy most of my scuba gear used, and most of my tanks were out of hydro when
>I bought them.  So I took them to a testing station, had them hydro'd, They
>passed (most do I've been informed).  Well when I have the tanks filled, some
>air stations refuse to fill the tanks that had just been hydro'd.  Because
>the tanks were not visualed.  As I was later informed by the hydro facility,
>they visual all the tanks they test.  So why must a tank have a visual sticker
>for the first year after hydro?  ...

I was also told that new or freshly hydro'ed tanks don't really need a
sticker when I bought a set of new tanks a few years back (which got
hydro'ed this spring, so that sort of dates me as a diver), but they
slapped VIP stickers on the tanks anyway (both times) to remove all doubt
that they were okay.  IMHO this is a good thing to do.
-- 
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From: gcoppak@state.systems.sa.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: DIVING PENANG
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:58:10 GMT
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

I AM PLANNING A TRIP TO PENGANG AND A LITTLE ISLAND CALLED LANGKOWI
IF ANYBODY OUT THERE HAS ANY INFORMATION  ABOUT DIVING ANY OF THESE
PLACES WOULD BE GREAT. QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ARE CAN YOU
HIRE DIVING GEAR WHAT THE MARINE LIFE LIKE????


MANY THAKS 
PAUL (PADI)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: stevem@col.hp.com (Steve Meyer)
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:57:21 GMT
 
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Here in Colorado the mountain lake diving is cool to cold - 38-55 F; 
a lot of people (rich ones?) have dry suits.  The suit should never
be used for bouyancy alone.  Just enough air to keep your insultation 
from crushing too badly and to keep from getting a squeeze.  Part of the 
familiarization dives that are encouraged include "feet up" situations
(very dangerous).  You still should use the BC for bouyancy control!
Ask me more this winter (3/93); they talked me into doing some ice diving!

                                   - steve meyer -
  
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Subject: Re: Two unrelated incidents: Nurse shark attack (!?!) and cave rescue.
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.132947.2101@hubcap.clemson.edu> mjs@hubcap.clemson.edu (M. J. Saltzman) writes:
>Two Assoc. Press articles in the last two days report Scuba incidents.
>
>
>The entrance to the cave is sealed off (apparently not very well) with
>a chain-link fence, but divers go in anyway, because the catfish
>inside run up to 6-8 feet in length.
>
Just where I want to be.  Inside a cave, under water, 
behind a chain-link fence, with an 8-foot catfish.  Yum.

Regards, Lee

( But think of the PADI Specialty course it would make :-)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rols@tk1003.shearson.com (Roland King)
Subject: Bali Diving
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: rec.scuba
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:39:43 GMT


Anybody know of any good diving / recommended dive shops in Bali. My buddy and I will be there in
Mid-November and will need to rent at least some of our equipment.

Thanks in advance
From: chris@smurf.sti.com (Chris Guthrie)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Boyancy control with drysuits
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sti.Bt941n.CEt
Reply-To: chris@sti.com
Organization: Software Transformation Inc.


In article <1992Aug19.091156.4818@resonex.com>, dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell) writes:
|> Not being a drysuit wearer myself its hard for me have any opinions on
|> what is the proper way to control buoyancy. I do have one question and this
|> may be simplistic, but why is there no exhaust valve on the ankle of a 
|> drysuit. I know this adds a couple of more valves but...

I think the easy answer is "control."  How would you control a valve
on your ankle?  You wouldn't want it venting automatically -- the air
in your BCD provides bouyancy.  There's no way the easily reach down
there, and some form of line up your side would have a multitude of
problems.

Finally, it is fairly easy to get out of the feet up position:  roll
up into a ball.  The air will move into other parts of the suit and
you can right yourself.
	Chris
From: cjl@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles J. Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Need Diving Industry Stats (# divers/etc)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:06:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Triangle R&D Corp,RTP,NC


Our group is looking into applications of new thermal fabrics for
applications in both wet and dry suits and we need some industry
statistics (for US only now).  We would like to know approx number of
divers (rec and commercial - even military as long as listed seperately)
as well as other w/d suit users (sailboarder/surfers, oil platform work-
ers, etc).  I am sure that there is an industry rep organization for
makers of such equipment but do not know who it is - any leads?

Thanks for any/all help!

Charles Lord
cjl@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
From: warren@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Warren Greaves)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:50:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Honeymoon in Cozumel
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: usa

The number of "active divers" in the US is an actively debated topic.  Check
the definition of "active diver" whenever you hear a number quoted.  (Is some-
one who makes 3-6 dives per year considered "active"?)

The trade organization representing manufacturers of scuba equipment is called
DEMA, Diving Equipment Manufacturers Association.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
(415) 857-6432                                              peterson@hpl.hp.com