From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:22:05 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec21.182542@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
>Do we have only Iqbal to look up to? 

No we have Quran that tells us about Prophet Ibrahim
and we have the ideal of Mohammad (pbuh). 
The ideals of Quran and Mohammad go beyond the geographical
entities of what constitutes a few pieces of land.

As Iqbal reminded us about the essence of Shahadah:
	Yeh daur apnay biraheem ki talaash may hai
	Sanam kadah hey Jahan La illaha Il-al-Allah

   This age is searching for its Ibrahim
   The whole world is now filled with idols
	[Is there any one to smash all the idols like Ibrahim
	 and can proclaim like Ibrahim did:]
		 There is no god, but Allah!
Agree to swap.

>
>Was his dream true and right? A dream that subsisted on the division of peoples
>in the name of religious labels. 

The dream of Iqbal understood only in the context of
those geographical entities is false. It was simply
a stepping stone, which people misguidedly took as the
ultimate goal!

Oh, I forgot. There are people, who are not even willing to take
the first step.
>
>Why was he unable to see that the ideology of the state he wished to create
>would necessarily discriminate against non-muslims; that it would lead neighbor
>to fight neighbor; cause the massacre of millions of innocent people.

Well, he never knew that he  counted on people like us who are 
 spine-less, dream less, lethargic, inept, 
	destitute in will, energy, and courage
	 capable of doing nothing except bicker
	about the past, instead of shaping the future.

>Why did he believe that a true "islamic" society could only be created by 
>creating an "islamic" state? 

Yes, I wonder why?
May be  he should have directly insisted on  a global empire!

>> 
>> No, we have Quran that gives us guidance. It deputes us (Muslims) to
>> be the vicegerents of Allah!

>
>Perhaps you could furnish some evidence from the Quran where it states that
>its the God-ordained duty of all muslims to drive out non-muslims from their
>lands or force them to accept the supremacy of muslims and create a political
>entity -> an "islamic" state.  
>
>Don't quote some hadith because I don't accept it as divine or in any way
>binding. Just quote the Quran.
>

My pleasure: [This reminds me of the Jews of Madinah who thought
		that by resorting to their own law they will be
		saved by the punishment of the Prophet (pbuh).]

   Fight those people who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Day of 
   Judgement, nor do they treat as forbidden that which has been forbidden 
   by Allah and His Prophet, and who do not make the true DEEN their 
   DEEN; fight them until they decide to submit and agree to pay the 'jizya'. 
		[Al Taubah 9:29]

   Insofar as Allah's scheme for man goes, the only DEEN for him is 
   ISLAM and none other. [Ale Imran 3:19]

   And whosoever seeks any DEEN other than ISLAM, it shall never 
   receive acceptance. [Ale Imran 3:85]

o	Primary mission of the prophet: DEEN of Allah must prevail

   It is He__ ALlah_ Who sent His Messenger with true Guidance, and with 
   the True DEEN to make it triumph over other DEENs, caring naught 
   what annoyance this may cause to those who associate others with Him. 
   [Al Taubah 9:33]

o	Fight any system of thought, belief, and action not based on supreme 
authority until unrest, strife and injustice has been eliminated.

   And continue the fight against them until all mischief is effectively 
   destroyed and the only DEEN holding sway is Allah's DEEN and none 
   other. [Al Anfaal 8:39]

   When Allah's help arrives, and victory results, and you see people joining 
   in Allah's DEEN in crowds then Glorify your Rubb, and beg forgiveness 
   of Him, for He is Oft-forgiving. [Al Nasr 110:1-3]