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From: Albert Meyrick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: ideas? suggestions?
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> anyone got any unique/wierd ideas?

	Well, this doesn't fit the "James Bond" motif, but here's the 
design submitted to me by Dr Iodine Stane, Nile Old Professor and generally
silly person.  I wish you could see the picture that came with it.

I've come up with a basic description of the armor
I'd like to make:
It's a helmet, called the Schrodinger Shifter,
which generates an electron mutator field over
the wearer.  It looks like Hagar the Horrible's
hat, viking style, with horns.  The horns rotate,
one clockwise, the other counter clockwise,
about one rotation per second.  The electron
mutator field causes the wearer to be constant
ly covered by moving harmless sparks which give
off no light when the right (dominant) horn
rotates counter-clockwise, and which give off
light of a color reflecting the mood of the
wearer when the right horn rotates in a clock
wise direction.  There is a switch on the fron
t of the helmet which controls these options.
If the option for light is selected, the light
from the field serves on the magnitude of
a sturdy flashlight...whatever radius you'd
like to assign to it.
When the horns rotate, they align, both points
toward the middle, about once per second.
When the horns align, a bolt of electricity
passes between the points of the horns.  The
"zap" noise from this can be heard only if the
option for light is on (i.e. light and sound
go together).  This may occasionally be able
to zap obnoxious mosquitos and hummingbirds,
rendering the former dead and the latter
radioactive.  Effects to other life forms
will have to be tested as the opportunity
arises.  (okay with you?)
I have a nifty picture of it to show you,
complete with handy snooze-alarm feature.

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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Silk?!?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:46:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Silk? This character wouldn't happen to be a roguish type from
Aysle who has his fingers in half the financial dealings on the 
planet, would he?

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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Pure Zone effects on Characters
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:11:58 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b2581348583624@morticia> oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes) writes:

>(as a matter of fact, a totally sexless society would be low social,
> as they cannot interact fully...)
>
 Not necessarily, unless you're saying sex requires a social axiom! 
>
>for TOTALLY pasive WLs, such as charm bonuses in CP,
>make a roll each scene, or just dont bother -
>
 Nah. Just have them declare they're using the bonus or not, and if they are,
they have a chance to disconnect on their Charm roll.


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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: worst combination of characters
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:32:44 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b256132111064@morticia> smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (Stephen Smoogen) writes:
>Ok here is a party of adventurers that I have been playing around
>with. It is multicosm team of misfits that have teamed up because no
>other group would have them.
>
>Team RULE of FOUR
>
>1) Pultech the Living Land (edeinos) psionicist.
>2) 2398 the Nippon Tech mage.
>3) Professor Yiaggo the Nile Biotech Engineer
>4) Llarox the Tharkholdu Demon Pacifist.
>5) (ex-Father) Billings the Cyberpapal follower of Lanala.
>6) Smashnslash the Aysle Giant Businessman in Nippon.
>7) Phillip the Core Earth OCCULTist (orroshian occult of course)
>8) William MacPhillips of Gaea the team Weird Scientist.
>
>and their leader:
>
>9) Huitilpartil a Space God who crashed in France and is now 60%
>   cyberware and a follower of the cyberchurch (not pope).
>
>
>the SMooGE

 Ouch. 

 You're a sick man, Steve...

 I LIKE that... :)

-- Clint

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From: Rick Pim <RICK@QUCDNEE.BITNET>
Subject: Re: When Axioms Collide (anyone bought it?)
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> are  Albert Meyrick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>

> When Axioms Collide (anyone bought it?)
      yup
>Well, it's been out a week, and I guess Ks Jim's too busy
>to review it.  (I assume he bought it, since he buys _everything_. ;-)
      more than a week; i got mine two weeks ago tomorrow. haven't had a
chance to do more than flip through it. RSN.

rp
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From: bpostow@mark1.oberlin.edu (Brian Postow)
Subject: Re: worst combination of characters
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:53:01 GMT
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oh, don't forget, he also has a nylon jump suit B-)

--
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From: cpearce%nemesis@nemesis.acs.unt.edu (Chris Pearce)
Subject: Re: request
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> what ever happened to [I think Clay did it] the "get this (not) in
> L.A. pt. x" series? I lost track of it when they left L.A. and ended
> up some how in Victoria... did it stop? did I miss it? what
> happened????

Oh. I stopped it since I didn't really think people were interested... I
can't quite match Clay's flair for dialogue. I'll continue if y'all
like...

> Brian Postow :: The Pasta Knight - that noodle head in shiny armour

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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ord Gods?
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>  BTW, I feel I must share part of your latest e-mail post with the group. Your
> reaction is classic.

	Well, it seemed like the best thing to do.  I can't believe the
regular army of the US were such morons.  I can understand them not 
being able to inintally cope with the Possibility Wars, but once someone
understood that these lizards have to send out forces to expand, noone
should get in or out.  I'd have regular patrols on the edges of the 
Living Land stelae with the best S&R gear money can buy.  Containing
the edeinos should be a snap with modern gear.  (Or ultra-modern, if they
buy from Marketplace.)   Additionally, if they fire long distance 
with rocks as "missiles" (perhaps even bunches of rocks surrounded by
a quick decaying (in the LL) cover to simulate shrapnel.  Heck,
use FIRE! (burning pitch or something).  
	IMHO, the big problem with the Army in the LL is the social 
axiom, not tech.  (That and miracles)

>  (give the man an extra poss or two, Mike. He deserves it. :) )

	Yeah!  (My foist Possibility, I'd treasure it forever.;-)

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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (Stephen Smoogen)
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Subject: Re:  worst combination of characters
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:25:06 GMT
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It is made up, but if I run one at the local con coming this spring I
think I will make these characters for a more experienced group of
Torgers (say if Clay and Chris come to town :)). I have another group
that is made up of national guardsman level people for the non
experienced player.

I would have to disagree about having that many knowledges.. since
magic flows so weakly through the cosm, it would probably take the
60-70 years to learn the 12 adds in knowledges that a player starts
out with (unless of course he learnt magic after becoming a storm
knight.)

I have a low magic cosm (axiom 5) cosm where a world law allows users
of magic the ability to get apportation/alteration/conjuration magics
by making them much harder to learn. However they have spells that are
on par with some of the most powerful ones from Aysle. They become
really powerful in cosms where magic is easier (more powerful) due
to this world law (In aysle I am thinking of +7 to all magic bonus's).
[In orrorsh it is +8 if the spell is very ritualistic.]

the Smooge

ps... soon will the new improved Eternity Shards will be out...
 including a revised Jacket of the FONZ, and the Jumpsuit of Elvis
 (has been known to cause reality storms near Micheal J Fox)
From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
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Subject: Re: Pure Zone effects on Characters
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:48:43 GMT
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The Grant Man(gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) gets my goat:
[shapeshifting deleted]
as colin said, shapeshifting is dependant on Orrorshin WLs,
so it will be a contradiction
i see this as Orrorshian shifting only, so you can still do it at axiom 12(?),
but it requires a magical ability (skill, AK, and spell for PCs) to do so

 ! Yeah, the Victorians' modesty is sort of a function of the Social axiom,
 ! so it would be lost in a Pure zone.

modesty is NOT a function of the social axiom!!!
social 7 does not require that we all run naked at (lanala) love-ins,
and social 33 does not mean that we are all asexual beings.
the social axiom is purely the leavel at which we interact,
it says nothing of our personal beliefs or attitudes
(as a matter of fact, a totally sexless society would be low social,
 as they cannot interact fully...)

[LoPain and other WL contra deleted]
 ! How does this sound?

most WLs are associated with a die roll of some sort,
so the chance for disco is already present
(realise that a Thark is always using their LoP, all combat is potential disco)
(and for LoAction, consider a one on the second die a disco)
for non-die roll WLs, such as LoHope, make them roll, 
since it is still their concious act to invoke it
for TOTALLY pasive WLs, such as charm bonuses in CP,
make a roll each scene, or just dont bother -
the totally passive laws are pretty feeble anyway

dave "no WL is more unbalancing LifeCyber anyway" oakes
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From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten)
Subject: Living land expansion
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Take it easy you two.
--

>  BTW, I feel I must share part of your latest e-mail post with the group. Your
> reaction is classic.

	Well, it seemed like the best thing to do.  I can't believe the
regular army of the US were such morons.  I can understand them not 

being able to inintally cope with the Possibility Wars, but once someone
understood that these lizards have to send out forces to expand, noone
should get in or out. 

---

Well, my recollection of the early days (books, LL sourcebook) is that they did  
start to hold them in, only to be suprised by Gospog after the first week.

The biggest problem was that of Blitzkreig. LL expanded very quickly at first  
before any order was restored to the army.

Besides, it'll really help that you get this information now, instead of from the  
national anthem singer 7 or 10 days from now.

Right now the big problem is in the Nile, where we have delusions of stelae  
pulling... (or dimthread hopping, I'm not too sure which).
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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re: Gods (my, what a presumptuous argument!!)
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[colin's (wynne@fs.science.wlu.edu) "quantum gods" deleted]

interesting tack there, colin -
just as lower axioms restrict what you can do,
higher axioms restrict what you CANNOT do, 
and are in their own way, just as limiting

(again, i have twisted colin's intent beyond all recognition, 
 but this is my post, so i can say whatever i want...)

this is just my pet theory, but "reality" as we know it
is not just aperios, being infringed upon by the NO,
but is rather the fringe where the two meet, 
that grey area between "do anything" and "do nothing"

aperios embodies EVERYTHING, so why bother?
its all there, what you do, what you dont do, and everything else as well
it is just as "uncreative" (as in thought/intent) as the NO

possibility energy is the potential for anything,
but its use is realization of one "reality" over the (infinite) others
(synergy in action - reality is much more than the sum of its parts,
 namely aperios and the nameless one...)

dave "to truely create, one must destroy - aperios CANT" oakes 
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Pure Zone effects on Characters
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:10:45 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b25412171828170@morticia> "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> writes:
>
>The way she ended up playing it was what I, at least, had in mind. 
>Several other players had their various ideas about what should, or might,
>happen, too.  The end result was along these lines:
>
>Elspeth basically took the loss of her clothing in stride (she ended with
>a tattered skirt that was no more than mid-thigh length, and the remains
>of a blouse which were tied in front, leaving her midriff bare and
>everything important covered [and don't any of you horny TORGers out there
>get excited about all of this -- the player is married to a big mean
>Italian guy!]), and decided she would be really mortified when she
>recalled the whole thing later.
>
>More or less, what I'm looking for here is who agrees or disagrees with my
>interpretation of Pure Zones.  And that is that, since WL's make up the
>general feeling and atmosphere for a cosm, then if you are in a Pure Zone
>and subject exclusively to those world laws, you will start behaving like
>a native, but without losing the overall sense of self needed to maintain
>your identity and your mission.
>
 Yup. This is exactly how I interpreted it. And my players were a scream when
they stumbled into the NE dig site of the Destiny Map (which I made a Pure Zone
of NE reality). They all immediately started calling each other by Pulp Hero
names (The Cyber-edeinos was best. "I am... GOD GUY!"). Then they snuck down
into the dig in shocktrooper uniforms (except for the Edeinos, who they pulled
the old Chewbacca gambit with.) The Nippon agent simply kept his face covered,
which of course works perfectly (always worked for Indy!). Also, while two
were trying to find explosives (they found them of course) to blow up the gen-
erator, the other three encountered a beautiful and proud Mathematician of my
own creation, and reacted just right, IMO. (Pushing each other out of the way
and blowing scads of possibilities in an attempt to Charm her.) The Nippon guy
won out, and was invited to her tent later. And the shit-faced grin he shined
at the also-rans...

 Well, anyway... *ahem*... the Genres role-playing is one of the best parts of
Torg, IMHO, and the most fun. I mean, in CE, you wouldn't go into the basement
alone if you heard a strange slurping noise... In Orrorsh, you should, because
they always do! :)

>is in, I, as gm, shouldsimply assume that he is blowing a p-point every
>fifteen minutes.  Right?
>
 Ouch. Well, I usually wouldn't have this problem, since I have cooperative
players... but in addition, if they're RPing the genre well, I throw an extra
couple of possibilities their way. I mean, why not? The horny characters in the
above example spent about 8 between themselves on that on action (invoking LOA,
even!)



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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Dave writes:

>  ! > Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
>  ! > "I'm the Chosen One.  And I choose to go shopping."
>  !                                           -Buffy the Vampire Slayer
>  ! I think that Rick and I must be the only people in the cosmverse, nay, the
>  ! infiniverse, who liked that movie.
> 
> dave "nah, i can name two, even if KS Jim denies it" oakes

Oh no, I'll admit it.  But it does make it difficult for me to picture
using that vampire gang in the LA Sourcebook, since they've obviously
been wiped out already (so would you say that Buffy has a campaigned
True Identity subplot or what?)


Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Silk?!?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:36:52 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b2531248426434@morticia> cpearce%nemesis@nemesis.acs.unt.edu (Chris Pearce) writes:
>
>Taztor is Clinton Wolf's character. He's an Edeinos who Silk has addicted
>to Twinkies. :)
>
 The sugar rush was a wonderful new experience for Lanala. And Silk isn't too
bad a guy anymore, after Taz successfully cast Reverse Emotions on him and
charmed his socks off :)

>Reg is my character. He's a pesky kid who is always getting in over his head.
>
 Thot so. Tim mentioned some little beggar throwing marbles at him. :)

>I'm curious about Edo Glik and Gaddi. They are Rick Pim's character and Tim
>Whalen's character (but I'm not sure which). I feel quite sure they were
>in the first scene, but I'm unsure what characters they were. True to the
>Nile, the first scene was hectic and quite confusing. I feel pretty sure
>that Edo and Gaddi know who I am by now, though.
>
 Edo Glik is a Keefee Haroo (Don't ask me how he got there!) currently living
in Gaddi's backpack. Gaddi (as Tim tells me) is a sort of hapless Nile Engin-
eer. He was sent down the dimthread to prepare Egypt for the Nile, along with
two other guys. He actually wants to defect, but so far has been unable to do
so (unless he has escaped his buddies since we last talked.

 Of course, none of our characters would know this ;)

>I'm having a great time in the game... how about everyone else?
>
 Yeehah! I'm just waiting for a metal beast to break down, so Taztor can try
to 'heal' it :)


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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
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#include <IMHO.h>
#include <it's_only_a_game.h>

	Okay, here's my take on religion in Torg.  It says in one of the 
rulebooks that for each religion there's a cosm with a 33 spirit axiom 
that is equivalent to the "Heaven" of that religion. (The Silver City, 
Olympus, Asgard, Lanala's Busom)
	So, the spirit axiom of a cosm is, essentially, a measure of 
how 'close' the cosm is to their version of spiritual perfection.  
(since the Priests of Palan have a different version than the Sacellum)
As the spirit axiom rises, one religion gains predominance, until 
only one god/pantheon can communicate with the the cosm.  IMHO, 
were the cosm ever to achieve a 33 spirit axiom, it would merge with
"Olympus."  Now, most of the cosms we have seen don't have a very high
spiritual axiom (with the exception of the Living Land, see below), so
the cosm's the link with their gods isn't strong enough for their 
gods to directly intervene.  (Which is why Dunad, for example, doesn't
manifest directly and toss Drakanus into the nearest volcano.)
	Now, another problem is that Darkness Devices can use thier 
power to warp reality to interfere with spirtual energy.  In the 
Living Land, Kaah has managed to create a new religion and priest 
class(the gotaks), feeding off the power of the Darkness Device.  
He's also probably using Rec Pakken to keep Lanala from warning her
followers about Kaah's odious habits.  (However, since Kaah is 
letting the optants continue, so long as they don't mess with the 
gotaks, Lanala may be biding her time with Kaah, and hoping that 
good edeinos like Elvis and Taztor will bring her lizards back to 
the old time religion.)
	Malraux is doing something similar with Le Croix Noir.  The
Cyberpapacy is a corruption of the Magna Veritan religion, and as such,
the energy to fuel the cyberpriests has to come from somewhere.
{excuse #1634 for Malraux being so slow to expand, his priests are 
using a lot the the possibility energy that was already low after the 
tech surge}  The spiritual axiom is low enough (thanks to Malraux's
corrupting influence on the priesthood) that God(Magna Veritas) can't
properly defend his priesthood from Malraux.  If the MV priesthood were
to manage to boost their worshipers enough to raise the spirit axiom,
they might be able to use more powerful miracles to wonk Malraux properly.

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From: tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne)
Subject: Re: Discontinuous Realms (was Re: GenCon Report)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:00:30 GMT

In article <79286@ut-emx.uucp> gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis) writes:
>Actuallly, I only bought the first comic book, I didn't feel like spending
>$2.50 on black and white. On the other hand, the store is having a 30% off

Obviously you haven't read Cerebus, one of the greatest comics written,
which is b+w.  It is $2.25, I believe.

>The Grant Man
>gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>
>"This is good[beer]. Remind me to take this world."-Lost Destiny
>
>

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