HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vmchun00@nx04.mik.uky.edu (voi min frankie chung)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.sport.table-tennis
Keywords: >I think that having a table tennis newsgroup is a great idea.
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:54:37 GMT

>    Another thing maybe i would like to get to know more players and  
>hopefully will meet and play with them in the future.

All these ideas are great !! Why don't you post this exactly as it is
in 'news.group' ?? Maybe you did already. I think it will be a good idea
if everybody bring ideas like this in the discussion (CFD).
   
>
>         *              *                *                 *
>    Ok, so much for business.  
>
>    Lyne, how did you do in World University Championships Table  
>Tannis Competition?  If you don't mind my asking.  :)  
>
>    Hope to hear from you pretty soon.
>
>Frankie      

Humm... It was a bit difficult. You know, for us Canada... Anyway.
In singles, I lost against a Chinese girl, a chopper. I don't like
to play against chop very much... You know what I mean... Here in Canada,
no players chop, so when we have to play against that king of player,
it's very difficult, because we are unexperimented.


In article <Bv313M.B4@uunet.uu.net> Alexander.J.Chien@med.umich.edu  
(Alexander J. Chien) writes:
> Request For Discussion
> 
> Proposed Newsgroup: rec.sport.table-tennis
> 
> Type: Unmoderated
> 
> Charter: The purpose of this newsgroup is for an open discussion  
pertaining
>          to subjects involving the sport of table tennis. Included  
subjects
>          would be: tournament results, upcoming tournaments, equiptment,
>          coaching, etc...
> 
> Discussion: Further discussion on forming this group should be posted to
>             the 'news.groups' group. Interested parties are welcome to  
email
>             ajchien@med.umich.edu


   I think that having a table tennis newsgroup is a great idea.   
Because i would like to get information regarding people's experience  
on different type of blades and rubbers, what are the features of a type  
of blade or rubber and what new blades or rubbers are produced lately  
and their features and quality. 

    Other than that, i would like to know the price range of some  
rubber in different country and some information regarding what is  
happenning in Asia on the matter of table tennis.  

    Another thing, maybe i would like to know more players and  
hopefully will meet and play with them in the future.

Frankie
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: grig0009@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:48:40 GMT

In article <7492@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>Well, when you can prove that any of the listed "alternative therapies" (I
>refuse to call it "alternative medicine", since it isn't medicine) works
>according to the scientific method, including such things as randomized
>double-blind tests, then you can call them science. I'm open to anything that
>can be proven scientifically.

Using the scientific method, it is impossible to prove that something has
no effect. It is only possible to fail to show an effect. This seemingly
fine distinction is, however, important because the failure to show an
effect only speaks to the inadequacy or inappropriateness of the testing
method used to measure a possible effect. But enough about statistical
analysis...

I would welcome the establishment of a newsgroup to discuss the possible
enhancements of western medicine available through 'alternative'
treatments. Western medicine is far from the end- and be-all of healing
arts and any discussion based on objective measurement rather than purely
anecdotal evidence can very appropriately be termed science. Things need
no be 'proven' in order to be discussed scientifically.

---------
My opinions are my own (standard disclaimer about everybody else).
-Chauncey Griggs (grig0009@student.tc.umn.edu)
  University of Minnesota Medical School

"There are three kinds of lies in the world:
     lies,
     Damn lies,
     and statistics"
         -Samuel Clemens
---------
From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:24:30 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1aa023INNsq9@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
|ok, let's see if i get it.
|
|if the vote really fails you have to wait six months.
|if the vote is spoiled you immediately do a re-vote.

Basically, although 'spoiled' is a little bit more specific than
'invalidated', but you get the idea.  

|presumably there are safeguards that help ensure that someone doesn't
|spoil a vote on an unpopular group over and over so that it's perpetually
|up for a vote....

Well -- so far the only grounds we've seen for 'spoiling' a vote has
has been vote-taker conduct, and usually the vote-taker has an interest
in wanting the group to pass.  [That's even more so the case here;
there's probably enough support around for s.v-w.a to pass without a
re-vote but probably with a lot of bloodshed which will be avoided
simply by doing it over again.]  I don't think we've got a problem.


-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          huggins@eecs.umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
                                                          -- W. Bingham Hunter
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Re : TT is table-tennis
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:04:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <1992Oct5.172311.5617@cc.umontreal.ca>,
 desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) doodled:

>To: J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov
>Subject: Re: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
>Newsgroups: news.groups
>In-Reply-To: <JAAPJL.92Oct2144043@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
>References: <43459@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Oct1.032102.13910@news.vanderbilt.edu> <JAAPJL.92Oct1142415@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com>
>Organization: Universite de Montreal
>Cc: 
>Bcc: 
>
>>As I expect it will be.  Since this isn't an official RFD, Dave L
>>didn't get to proofread it, and some slightly careless poster didn't
>>choose a good Subject line.
>>--
>>J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
>>    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
>>         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
>
>What do you mean by "Since this isn't an official RFD, " ?
>
>Lyne
>

I suspect they missed the RFD for rec.sports.table-tennis in
news.announce.newgroups, posted on the 24th of September according to
Dave L's last summary of current RFDs (28th of Sept). 

Chris

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From: paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.sport.swordfighting
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:11:34 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

rec.fencing (or rec.sport.fencing) didn't hold much attraction for me,
as I stopped competitive fencing years ago.  However,
rec.sport.swordfighting is another matter entirely.  This would, I assume,
include rapier, long sword, and stage combat.  In any event, if I think
it might include that, so will other people.

This newsgroup will get a YES vote from me!

Perhaps rec.sport.swords would be easier to type...

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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 18:37:38 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.
Distribution: na

mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:

> r.m.funky was not the result of a split of r.m.bluenote. It started as a
> mailing list that grew to almost completely ridiculous proportion.
> ...The effort to convert/gateway/whatever (I don't know know what
> arrangements they have) grew pretty naturally out of that huge mass of
> people. 

I should point out as a historical note that the attempt to move the funky-
music mailing list to rec.music.funky effectively destroyed *both* groups;
the new traffic gatewayed in from r.m.funky was mostly noise (at least as
compared to the intensive discussion on the funky-music list) and the
mailing list quickly died.  Without the high-quality traffic from the
mailing list, the newgroup faded into a minimal-traffic snoozer soon
after.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:34:19 GMT

In article <9210061416.AA05577@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU
(Joel Furr) writes:
>Somewhere in the news.announce.newusers files that get posted, there's a note
>to the effect that it's bad manners to assume that everyone reads news on a
>UNIX box somewhere.  

True.
So subvert the system. (seriously)

Think of it as an "operating system virus" {like a sig virus}:
"Convince your management to run Unix, too!"
	;^)

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  Scientific Programming
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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:49:47 GMT
	<Bv5KDG.Lrs@rice.edu> <1992Sep28.162305.8915@kronos.com>
Followup-To: news.groups
Distribution: usa
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: jimf@kronos.com's message of 28 Sep 92 16:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.162305.8915@kronos.com> jimf@kronos.com (Jim Fournier) writes:
   Amen. Anyone who doesn't understand the relationship between the blues and
   jazz needs to spend a lot more time reading rec.music.bluenote, a lot more time
   listening to jazz from all eras, and a lot more time reading the thoughts of
   the masters, past and present, of jazz.



I don't know who Jim Fournier is - I don't see any articles by him in
our local r.m.bluenote archive and his name doesn't ring a bell. As
for me, I've been listening closely to jazz for 20+ years, and reading
r.m.bluenote for 4 or 5 (I forget exactly). I've also been posting
regularly throughout that period: sometimes brief, factual answers to
questions, sometimes very long detailed articles on particular
musicians, ranging from Louis Armstrong to John Zorn. My familiarity
with "jazz from all eras" is pretty thorough, though of course there
are still plenty of gaps; my general understanding of jazz certainly
goes beyond the the usual received wisdom - which, as you see, I'm not
in the least adverse to challenging.

I don't know why Mr Fournier should think that any of this is an
appropriate subject of discussion; it really isn't. But having seen
the issues raised, I feel obliged to answer.  Hopefully we can drop
the personal attacks now and get back to subject at hand.
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:23:34 GMT

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>What I've been saying is that
>the blues *articles* on r.m.bluenote has not had much overlap with the
>jazz *articles*. That's all.

So what?  It's also clear that the Duke Ellington articles on RMB have
very little overlap with the Ornette Coleman articles, much less with
the Knitting Factory articles.  So do we split to rec.music.jazz.old
and rec.music.jazz.free?  No, we probably don't, because there is
enough agreement that we are still talking about the same wide type of
music.

However, there seems to no such agreement with those who are committed
to the Robert Johnson/B.B. King/Muddy Waters idiom (most commonly
referred to as "blues").  Some of them claim to neither have an
interest nor feel a keenship for Bird, Duke and Keith Jarrett.  I wish
they didn't, but since they do, they'll probably get what they want.

But unlike Shapiro et al., I am not so naive as to pretend that splits
and name changes are meaningless.  If this group gets split, and the
new name or names are used, it *will* affect the posting and the
readership.  People will feel less comfortable and more regimented.
And no sooner will we have rec.music.blues than we'll get people who
want rec.music.dixie, rec.music.fusion and rec.music.marsalis.  It
will happen.  I know it will.

All I can do is appeal to the blues folk (i.e., those who want to
secede from our little Bluenote Union): The ball is in your park.  If
enough of you want to turn yor back on Jazz in order to preserve the
Blues, you will break up something very good.  In the end, you will
have taken not just RMB but the collective musical consciousness of
everyone one step further away from synergy to divisiveness.

Sheesh, I feel like Vaclav Havel talking to the Slovaks.  (Or is it
the Czechs?)  It's really the same thing.  People want to emphasize
their differences from those who are most close to them.  Probably a
trend that my puny article will never stop.


--Gidi
From: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Proposed new group alt.dentistry
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:04:01 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Originator: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Hello Usenet,
Is there anything specific that anyone can tell me about starting /moderating a newsgroup on Usenet? I would like to start a group for dentistry. Specifically
for students/faculty and even practicing dentists. Any info would be greatly 
appreciated.
		Thanks,
			Alec Ellsworth
			Junior/Marquette Dental School
From: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Starting New Group alt.dentistry
Summary: 
Reply-To: ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Keywords: 
-- 
Alec Ellsworth                                 
Marquette University Dental School
ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: TT newsgroup
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:21:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <43459@ogicse.ogi.edu> natarsu@mse.ogi.edu writes:

> 
> 	Yup! Here's another YES for the TT newsgroup.

Would you TT fans mind letting the rest of us know whatt TT stands for?
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:15:04 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep28121842@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>Oh please. I've provided *long*, detailed justifications. Try using
>your "p" key.

After rechecking the originally referenced article, and all the available
followup articles from you, I can find no "*long*, detailed justifications".
Perhaps the article or articles in question have not arrived here yet.
If you could provide an article-ID number, I could probably make a
definitive check.

---Rsk
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:56:46 GMT

In article <91021@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@sequoia.circ.upenn.edu (Rich
Kulawiec) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep30.134132.25715@bmers145.bnr.ca>
passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
|>>In article <90614@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich
|>>Kulawiec) writes:
|>>|>complaint) then you should learn to use the features of your news reader
|>>|>which will allow you to skip most blues-related articles.
|>>
|>> This is ridiculous. How could one reliably do this! [...]
|>
|>It's not ridiculous in the least; it's merely an example of how
|>one can use the documented features of one's software.
|> [.. Rich goes on to talk about things that everyone already knows ..]

  Sorry Rich, you missed the point. Voluminous knowledge of filters
  notwithstanding, one can't reliably separate articles pertaining to
  one broad subject base from another, using subject headings alone.
  Unless all who post adhere to some sort of protocol in the contruction
  of their headers. And why should we bother, when we can achieve the
  ability to separate articles so much more easily by simply splitting
  the group.

  You claim we can exist quite happily with the given rec.music.bluenote
  if new users would read the various News information groups, and we
  learn to use our News readers more effectively.  I agree. Since we have
  already existed as such, it's a fact. But my question to you is, could
  you not exist quite happily with two groups, rec.music.jazz and rec.music-
  .blues? By cross-posting and subscribing to both groups, would you
  lose anything that currently exists with the one group?

  I vote YES, let's split up rec.music.bluenote.  When do we vote?      
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: MacApp Straw Poll Result
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:09:58 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:

>Comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 is the winner, so I'll use it as the group name in
>the Call For Votes.  I'll also a include a vote for comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
>on the ballot.  This will make some of the Usenet purists happy and will
>provide a place for discussions on TCL and other such things.

    I haven't taken part in this discussion, but I have been following
it, and I still don't understand why you need to gateway the mailing
list to the newsgroup.

>Having said all this, I'm not very optimistic about the newgroup passing. 
>It takes 100 more Yes votes than No votes, and I only got 60 votes _total_
>on the straw poll.  So if you want to see this group created, please send
>in your vote when the time comes (but NOT right now :-).

    You would get a lot more support if you changed the name to
c.s.m.oop.macapp and dropped the gateway. This way the group can stand
on its own and the mailing list can do so as well. And for those who
would read both the list and the group, they would probably benefit the
most from this. If you gateway the list to the group all you will really
accomplish is having a whole lot more people lurking instead of getting
a large influx of new posters.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:14:07 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Sep29.054217.6972@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:
...
>But we have have this pseudo-democratic thing to adhere to (enforced
>by little dictators), so let's get on with it.
>
>Bob Jacobson
>One proposer of two, sci.virtual-worlds.apps

   Except for a brief emailed note to Bob, the vote taker, when his
unfortunate mistake occurred, I've kept silent on this.  However,
the sniping and denigration which he continues to air both here and
in the newsgroup he moderates has jarred me out of my apathy.
   Here's the deal, Bob: You fucked up.  You jumped into something
you obviously weren't fully informed about, and ended up tripping
over your ignorance.  You have nobody to blame but yourself.  Why
don't you show some good sense, admit you messed up, learn from
your mistake, and stop trying to blame everybody else for what is
strictly your error.
   Personally, I'd like to see the group pass.  But the attitude
expressed by the vote taker in this instance convinces me that the
few guidelines which exist should be followed as closely as possible.
Making exceptions only opens the cracks yet wider for the Aloks out
there to weasel through.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 6 Oct 1992 03:25:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <Oct.5.15.17.37.1992.16058@presto.ig.com>, steve@presto.ig.com
(Steve Barnhouse) wrote:
> 
It works for rec.auto; it'll work for rec.moto
> too.  

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!  What are you saying, you son of a llama lover!?!
Get out!  INFIDEL!!!!!  RUPERT!!!

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From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine: misc.health.alternative
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:19:03 GMT
	<BvopBw.3yt@unix.amherst.edu>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

I agree with the idea that it would fit happily parallel to
misc.consumers and those groups.  I like the idea of
misc.health.alternative rather than misc.alt-health or something
simply because it anticipates the possibility of creating a
misc.health hierarchy, in the (unlikely, IMHO) event that one is
deemed desirable.

I'd be unhappy to see it in sci.*, and I don't really see that soc.*
makes any sense.

--
Bruce Stephens
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.frp.board
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:47:17 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <-x!pvmd.lunatic@netcom.com>, by lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex):
> [Long thoughtful analysis deleted]
>     ]-[ere's a new one I just thought of:
>  rec.games.armored-combat

>  much as it's piloted/driven.  I don't think it would get confused with
>  tanks/etc., which are usually described as just "armor."  

Unfortunately, combat using that kind of "armor" is called "armored
combat" as well (take a look at tactical WW2 and modern wargames, such
as West End's Tank Leader series).  I don't know about military
terminology, but this name has the same potential for confusion as the
others.
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
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