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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: TNG set, Wesly, and other ramblings
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:47:13 GMT


	Hi. The telivsion station out here show the new episode(and I use 
new REAL loosely)tuesday nights at 8:00, and a repeat at 9:00. I realy didn't
notice it till last night, but the sets have changed a lot since the first 
year. The new sets seemed to be a bit more detailed, and just generally nicer.

	And on the subject of Wes. and Alexander. I think the big problem is
the writing. I think this was also the problem with the Lt. Yar character. I've
seen Wil Wheton(sp?) in other stuff, and he's not a bad actor. A girl in my
Economics class has seen stuff the Denise Crosbys been in(other than skintight,
and Pet Semetary), and said the same about her. I think the writers come up
with good ideas for charaters, but then don't have a clue what to do with them.
They made Alexander a brat, and maybe they could've squeezed on episode out of
that, but they're trying to make a whole season of his chatacter with it! It
doesn't work. So here are what I think would be some quick fixes for these 
charaters;

	Wes. Have him graduate(not now but in due time), then have his charater
be a little more laid back. Take all the just plain CORNY line out of his
dialoge. The infamous "We're with starfleet, we don't lie" was the WORST line  I have heard anybody say in any movie or TV show. At That moment, his characterlost the little credibility I had given it. And for gods sake, try getting him a girl friend whose not too old for him. That girl in the episode with the game(I am terrible with titles) was just no right. It's bad enough that they're trying to pass him of as a super-brain, but this is streching it just a bit. That girl was a bit out of his league.

	Alexander. For now, I think he should just be ornamental. Don't try
to write whole episodes aroud him, let him develop a personality first. A 
few bit appearences here and there would have given him a sorf of history 
with the show, and they could have built somthing from there. 

	Lt. Yar.  I am going to go out on a limb here, and say they should 
bring her back. They could maybe bring back the genisis planet to regenerate 
her, which could also bring about a Spock crossover that people seem to want
to see another of. Then, as with Wes, have her character calm down a little. 
This would set up some great episodes where she would meet up with Sela(sp?),
and they could change her charater by showing how peole can sometimes have 
regrests about how they lived there life. This could also bring some bridge
tension that people have been wanting to see. Who is going to be Security
Chief? Her, or Worf?

						Oh Well, jus my opinion,
						James B


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From: stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Stardate System
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 10:16:12 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

        I've always assumed that the Stardate system was truly relative to  
a vessel because of the slight time distortion associated with warp travel.
        So while it might 40321.5 on the Enterprise at a given point in 
time, it might be 40324.1 on another vessel.

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        | SteveA@Coyote.Datalog.Com | kingdom, for that which I leave  |
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From: paladin@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert Wen)
Subject: Re: Spoiler: C&E; "Let's not start second-guessing ourselves."
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 13:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.071616.16761@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@csulx.cs.weber.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>     There is a flaw in the logic of "Let's not start second-guessing
>ourselves."  The flaw is as follows (note: "knew" in the following statements
>means that they had figured out to a high degree of probability that this was
>actually the case):
>
>     1) They knew that they were in a loop.
>     2) They knew that a large explosion was the probable cause of the resetting
>	of the loop.
>     3) They should have known that the first time through the loop, the
>	explosion had occured.  (The loop could have not occured in the first
>	place without a first explosion.)
>     4) Therefore: Do something that you wouldn't have done if you hadn't known
>	that you were in a loop (as they hadn't the first time).  This thing
>	could have been stopping dead as one of the crew members suggested.
>-- 
 Yeah, but they didn't know how many times they were in the loop.  Thus,
they could have tried a lot of things that didn't work.  Of course they have
very little recognition (almost none) of what they tried.

Of course, "I'm an engineer, not a physicist!"


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From: bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:32:04 GMT
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA

In article <maj1.703252135@Ra.MsState.Edu> maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison) writes:
>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>
>>kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>>>OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an example
>>>of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head, ignoring
>>>all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.
>
>>Refusing to do a thing about Gary Mitchell until it was damn near too late
>>in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"?  Letting Khan get in close enough to 
>>cripple the Enterprise in ST2?
>
>Where do these signify the "I will not fail" mentality?? Gary Mitchell
>was Kirk's best friend before the incident that's a "He's my friend I
>don't want to hurt him" mentality not the one you constantly suggest, besides
>Kirk did listen to Spock and took his advice..
>
>As far as Kahn was concerned?? Where is he ignoring all warnings??
>

   That part of TWOK has always bothered me.  It's the essential starting
point for all the shenanigans in STII and STIII, and the trouble resulted
from Kirk deciding to ignore a Star Fleet regulation _quoted_ to him by
Lt Saavik which required vessels to raise defensive shields when
encountering vessels which refuse to communicate.  Considering all the
death and destruction resulting from that one act, I would have thought
Kirk would be in serious trouble when he got back, whether or not he took
out Kahn in the end.  I guess Star Fleet takes a more laissez faire
attitude to the violation of its regulations.  :-)
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Boothby and Picard:  TFD
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:41:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr12.193632.4266@nevada.edu> jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender) writes:

>I assume this is either a hologram-yearbook or some sort of on-line
>database of all students.  I can't believe they'd still have
>PAPER yearbooks in that day and age.  Of course, if they can't afford
>to get rid of the damn doorknobs (we've only seen one on the Enterprise,
>and he sits in the captain's seat) maybe they can't afford to get rid of
>paper at SFA either.


Why?  In Cause & Effect we saw Picard read a BOOK.
With PAPER pages.

Now, regardless of what you thought of the episode, it's 'canon'.  We know
that they still use paper books in the 24th century.

Which also helps to explain the big volumes on Klingon in STVI. :)


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From: plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki)
Subject: Re: Picard remembers Starburst (minor TFD spoiler)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:06:02 GMT

In article <aelman.702602908@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr5.204636.23645@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rvc40592@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Cadman) writes:
>>>I hope this works:
>
>>>... did you notice how when Geordi told Picard about the
>>>valve (or whatever) being opened, Picard immediately knew exactly what
>>>it was they were doing?  Isn't that just a wee bit to convenient?  (I
>>>was also wondering if anyone remembered how long they said that 
>>>maneuver had been banned at the academy ... 100 years?)
>
>>  If Picard has actually immediately remembered the Starburst, that may indeed
>>have been a little too convienient, but that isn't necessarily what happened. 
>>When I heard Geordi (was it Data?  can't remember) announce that Wes had opened
>>his "coolant interlock" my first thought was "Oh, they were trying to do
>>skywriting in space."  Well, not being a Starfleet Academy graduate :), I
>>didn't take it any further than that.  But Picard could have come to a similar
>>conclusion and gone and looked it up in the computer, finding the Starburst.
>
>Or _maybe_, just _maybe_, it was a legend at the school and common
>knowledge among the cadets.  There are a lot of examples of stories
>being passed along from one class to another at colleges -- why should
>Starfleet Academy, especially as a military-style academy, be any
>different?  Picard probably knew of the "legend", and Geordi's mention
>of the coolant interlock happened to click with his memory of this
>story, and he realized what the Nova squadron had been trying to do.
>
>It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone moderately familiar
>with the methods and history of the flight team at Starfleet Academy
>-- which it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Picard was --
>should remember a routine that spectacular with so many cues.  
>
Or, how about this.... Picard tried the exact same thing and that is
what Boothby was talking about.  Maybe that is the big secret that
Picard is hiding.

Or Not...

     ...Jim (the Q-Man) Plutnicki
|FQT 1.10| I want to live forever. So far, so good!
From: ARL00FEF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Effect & Sex
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:46:22 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

The # 18 occurs alot in death scenes because Shatner and Nimoy know
that 18 is the Hebrew numeric for Life.
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:39:34 GMT

>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> > The point of the KM test is not to teach the cadets to face
> > death with resignation and dignity!  Not at all.  The point
> > is to put them in a simulated situation in which they can
> > see what their reaction to death and a no-win situation will
> > be - because it's not the kind of thing, no-win and all,
> > that you're gonna get a second chance at in real life.
>

This always seemed weird to me, like the kind of logic puzzle that
Bertrand Russell would have gotten off on.  If it's no-win, what
difference does it make how you face it,and how do you kow if something
is no-win until you lose?  You don't even know then. 

Regards,
Janis C.
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: THE BOSEMAN CREW IS NOT STUPID!!! (Cause & Effect Spoilers)
Date: 3 Apr 92 14:25:39 GMT
Distribution: york
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Mar30.164430.20512@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes:
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Boseman captain say the NAME
>"Enterprise" was not familiar to him?

No, I think he said the design of the ship wasn't familiar



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kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  |       - Cmdr. Hoek
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Boston Univerity		  |     `Oh Joy of joys!' - SJC
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wes, Wes, Wes (minor First Duty spoilers)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:06:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <29E0506E.8ACF@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes...
>According to slappy@iastate.edu (Rodney G Zenner):
>>I can't believe that Wes would act in such a fashion.
> 
>Intelligence and good judgement aren't always found together.

     And for a change, they're not found together in Wes.  To be
     sure, he's fucked up in the past, but always in that "he's
     a genuis..." way - never believably, until now.

     I can't help thinking that everyone who is saying, "Wes would never
     do that!" would be screaming, "HE ALWAYS SAVES THE GODDAMN DAY!"
     if Wes had come up with a cureall for this one.


          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: "Shore Leave" and "The First Duty"
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 13:47:33 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@pepsi.eng.umd.edu


hmmm....

   People have mentioned that Locarno was irresponsible and unbecoming of
a Starfleet cadet.  However, there has been some precedence for such
a character in TOS (though of somewhat different nature).  And who could
that character be?  The hint is in the TOS episode I named above.

   Finnegan.

   A bit of a prankster, but definitely someone who was supposed to have been
in the Academy with Kirk.

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard is old! (Minor First Duty spoiler)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.223233.9798
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Apr6.161012.54247@cc.usu.edu> sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.203857.22756@panix.com>, pcg@panix.com (Paul Gallagher) writes:
>> Picard says he's class of '27.  This makes the birthdate he's given in
>> "Conundrum" likely: 13 July 2305.  Assuming the 5th season is 2369, 
>> Picard's 64 (and Boothby's 106!)  
>
>This conflicts with the 1st season Writer's Guide which puts Picard's age at
>55.  Can anybody say retcon?

It's only a 5-year difference...

And we all *know* which source has precedence!! :)


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        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
                      hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:22:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.221510.726@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>> If that's the case, then he faced death in the simulation three times.
>> How can you say he refused to take advantage of what they were offering
>> him?  He took advantage of it three times!

>> Then he said, "Enough is enough!  I'm going to beat this *$#*% thing!!!"

>This would be a rather glaring incosistency and would utterly
>kill the scane with David at the end, so clearly something else
>must have happened.  Maybe Kirk reprogrammed the simulation three
>times?

I disagree.  I said that he faced death *in the simulation* three times.
I'm assuming you say it's an inconsistency because if that were the case, he
would have been better prepared for Spock's death?

My point througout was that no simulation, no matter how many times you
take it, would have prepared him for something like that, because he
knows that *it's just a simulation*.

People have been saying that Kirk denied himself something by cheating
on that test.  I say that he didn't, because that test would not have
taught him anything as long as he knows it's just a simulation.
Nobody dies - there's no loss - there's no lesson learned.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | If winning is not important, then Commander,
Georgia Institute of Technology  |    why keep score?
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From: efj1@quads.uchicago.edu (The Crafty Trilobite)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The mental faculties of SF officers-and fans - Spoilers for "Cause a
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:32:02 GMT
Reply-To: efj1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <ktervtINNlnm@spim.mips.com> kenk@mips.com (Ken Kubey) writes:

>>Picard was right.  "We can't try to second-guess ourselves."  Just proceed
>>normally and hope that the knowledge that *something* is going to happen
>>will keep you on your toes enough to avoid that *something* from being the
>>catastrophy it was last time around, when you didn't know it was going to
>>happen.
>
>Why not change course?  What do you have to lose?
>
Their peace of mind for the rest of their lives, for one thing.
Remember, they have no idea how long the loop lasted. For all they know, 
it's a three year loop that started with them making a sudden course change 
to avoid a space-time anomaly (and they don't encounter the anomaly 'now' 
because they  wiped it out by starting the loop. Or something).  So, if
they change course, they won't ever know for sure that they've avoided
the catastrophe. Now, admittedly, they're used to the idea that they 
might die at any moment, but why go around knowing that their deaths may 
now be absolutely certain?  Nerve-wracking. What happens the next time they
face danger, if they change course now?  They wonder, 'is this IT?', and 
get so caught up in wondering that they screw up and die from something else 
entirely. 
No, Picard's comment made sense. He just didn't bother spelling it out 
step by step, in a rare and welcome departure from usual TNG practice
(Ghu, if anybody in real life explained their thoughts and machinery as
much as those characters regularly do, they'd be considered obsessive or
retarded ;) )
--Manny
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From: doctor@cs.mcgill.ca (Howard PICAIZEN)
Subject: Locarno's actions.
Originator: doctor@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 14:22:06 GMT

Spoilers for First Duty...


To all those claiming that Mr. Locarno is an asshole for what he
did... UP YOURS!  Forgive my strong words, but I sympathize with
Locarno. He did what he did for the benefit of his friends, not for
himself. He was convinced that if they would step forward and admit
the truth, that they would all be expelled. He was frightened; not
only for himself but for his friends as well. And he felt he had to
protect them at any cost. Way back in season 1, Captain Picard said to
Troi: "Friendship must dare to risk, Counselor, or it isn't
friendship." Well, friendship cannot simply be discarded, even if it
means having to hide the truth. What gain was there for anyone in
revealing what really happened? It would not bring Josh back. The only
benefits would be to honor and duty. And what honor is there in
letting down your friends?

As for performing the maneuver in the first place, I don't believe
that he forced anyone to do anything. If they would not have wished to
do it, as a good friend, he would have agreed. Wesley admitted that
they ALL pressured Josh into doing it. It wasn't simply Locarno. I'm
sure a lot of you understand the feeling of peer pressure. Even if
they weren't pushing him, he'd get the feeling that he was letting
them down by refusing.

Mr. Locarno, as well as the others, got in a bit over their heads. I'm
sure everyone has done that in one way or another in their lives. They
should not be shunned for making a mistake. Their crime was in
performing the maneuver. Of that they are ALL guilty. So, if you wish
to put the blame on someone, put it on all of them. Locarno does not
deserve to be singled out. He did what he had to do for the safety of
his crew. And THAT's the sign of a damn good commander.


-HP.

-- 
Captain Howard Picaizen (doctor@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca), IKN SANG.
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." -Kirk
"A warrior does not let a friend face danger alone." -Worf
"Let's be sure that history never forgets the name... Enterprise." -Picard
From: v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Worf as a Fighter
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


A few minor *SPOILERS* in this post but nothing major.













Some people have said that Worf is always geting his but kicked and he is 
not that great of a fighter. However, this is somewhat of an exaggeration

First of all

      On those occasions where Worf has gotten beat up, the oppenent
usally (sp?) has somekind of advantage. Therefore, it is not so much that
Worf is a poor fighter, it juist that some of his oppenents posses to
much strenght.

and Second

      Worf has kicked but on several occassions. He killed Duras. He 
knocked out the mind rapiest in "Violations," and he beat up a Romulan in 
"Redemtion." Therefore, it would seem that Worf is not that bad as a fighter.


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What is it.
Sir, it look like a....flame!
Battle Stations, Shield Up!!!
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From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's Shirt
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:33:24 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Apr2.190519.20032@bmw.mayo.edu> elw@mayo.edu (Ellis Workman) writes:

>Why is Picard always tugging at his shirt (jersey, ??).  He does it when 
>he stands up or sits down.  Doesn't it fit right? Riker does it also
>but not as much as Picard.  Data never does it.  What's the deal?
>Is this an affected mannerism or do they need better tailors working
>for the show.  I don't recall that Kirk and crew ever did this.  It has
>become very distracting to me and I may begin a log for each episode
>counting the occurences of this behavior.

         According to the man hisself, he started tugging at his uniform
(in the first season) because of two things: first, it refused to sit right,
and; because the materiel bothered his skin. (care of an interview on Arsenio)

> 
Ciao
J G Currie
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