HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 20:18:07 EST
From: We all earn our time in Hell <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES

me too, me too!
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cddukes@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:17:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov07.232706.8311@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>lancer@pitt.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:
>
>You appear to have completely missed my point. Note the ".nz" at the end of
>my address? That means New Zealand. A "United We Stand America" party has
>very little relevancy to me.
But if such a party decides that a war with new zealand would be good for
their image, this political party matters to you.  At the same time any
politics in new zealand could have adverse effects on the US... therefore
there should be many alt groups covering politics in new zealand.

Chris "the PakRat" Dukes______________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
"Hal, open the pod bay doors."
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that."
"Hal, I have an axe."
"Dave, I control the decompression system."
PGP key available upon request
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: Proposal: alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:30:25 GMT

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic is an unmoderated newsgroup which was proposed 
to alt.config on 27 April and 13 October of this year.  There were no 
substantial objections raised as to its creation on either occasion, so 
with that in mind, this newgroup is being issued for creation of the 
group.  For your newsgroups file:

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic   Discussing relationships of rock & classical music

alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic is a newsgroup with the specific purpose of 
discussing the relationships that exist between rock 'n roll music and
classical and/or operatic music.  General discussion of the artists who
perform music with heavy classical and/or operatic influences should
continue to take place in alt.music.progressive.  Also, as a rule, 
cross-posting from that group should be highly discouraged unless the 
traffic is actually relevant to both groups.  It is my hope that this 
group will be low-traffic, high-signal and specifically focused on the 
subject for which it was created.

This newgroup is being issued by the news admin here in the interest of
seeing propagation at those sites which only honor newgroups issued by
site admins.  However, queries for information should be directed to the
proposer of the group, Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the course of the next few days, I will be re-introducing groups
originally proposed by Sean Ryan <asspr@acad3.alaska.edu>.   If, after three
days, there is a favorable response, I will be issuing newgroups for these
groups.  If, after three days, there is no response, I will assume that there
is no interest in these groups.  Responses can be posted (preferred) to
alt.config or mailed to mike@raven.alaska.edu.  My apologies to Sean Ryan for
the delay in starting this process.

Neither I nor the University of Alaska-Fairbanks neither condemn nor condone
any of the proposed newsgroups.
=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
 News Administrator 			 mike@raven.alaska.edu (also news@)
 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
 "I'm a computer programmer....<link><link><kludge><kludge> say-no-more!"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
Subject: Re: Proposal:  Alt.hypnosis
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg)
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <u-SArAaPBh107h@momad.UUCP> list%momad@Infoserv.com writes:
>Proposal:   ALT.HYPNOSIS
>
>This group is for discussion of hypnosis, from the medical/
>psychological uses, to "stage" hypnosis, discussing myths
>and realities of such

Since we're all currently discussing a group on hypnosis and a group on
Myers-Briggs and similar personality tests, why not call them, respectively,

	alt.psychology.hypnosis
and
	alt.psychology.personality
?

IMHO, this sort of hierarchicalizing is desirable, even on altnet....

	Seth "the Lesser"

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
From: flowers@memstvx1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.president.clinton
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:15:09 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov5.162934.13614@news.ysu.edu>, doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
 writes:
> My system no longer automatically creates alt-groups.  Further, I have
> X'd this group in my active file, so they don't end up in junk.
> 
> Thou shalt discuss alt-groups in alt.config, or thou shalt not see them
> on my system.

I didn't create the group, either.  For one thing, alt.politics seems
the best place for the group, and it already exists.  I doubt alt.president
will get many other groups :-).  Besides, Bush is still president now, and
he's in alt.politics, too (no, I didn't honor the rmgroup for .bush, either).
The posts were obviously politically biased attempts, which is another reason
to ignore them.
--
Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sellmer@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Sellmer)
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.184153.14490@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>I, as well as many others on Usenet, have developed an interest in systems
>that map human personalities, the Myers-Briggs being the more well-known one.

[stuff deleted]

>Thus, I propose that we create an alt.* group dedicated to discussing the
>Myers-Briggs as well as other systems that exist to map personalities.
>Some topics, among others, that could be discussed include:
>
>1) How to determine ones personality type.
>2) How accurate are such personality mapping systems?  Both pros and cons 
>   would be welcome, even from psychologists.  :^)
>3) Do such systems have hidden dangers?
>4) What is the history of such systems?
>5) Sharing personal stories and anecdotes.
>6) Explaining differing Usenet writing/posting styles (one of great
>   interest to me).
>7) Relating career choices to personality types.
>etc.,etc.

I like the idea, although I would prefer that it just be alt.personality,
since you are inevitably going to end up talking about more than just one
or two systems, like the Myers-Briggs.  In fact, alt.* is a good place for
just such a group, since psychology doesn't have a real good grip on what
all we mean by personality in the first place, and I certainly would like
a forum for discussing the notion, how to measure it, what information it
gives you, whether people's everyday notions of personality are just illusions
and we are far more similar than we think, or if there are fundamental 
individual differences between people that consistently affect behaviour, etc.
etc.

Peter
-- 
Peter Sellmer 
sellmer@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.internet.services
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Group Purposal alt.internet.future
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1dcjk4INNhk1@nic.near.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:43:20 GMT

John> == John Curran <jcurran@nic.near.net> 
Ed>   == emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

 Ed> You are in California, there is really no planning to do - run a T1
 Ed> line to the CIX, pay their dues, you are done.

 John> You're done, if you only want to provide commercial access to just a 
 John> piece of the Internet.  If you want to provide users with commercial
 John> access to the other networks, you'll want to talk to ANS CO+RE... 

Hm?  Didn't ANS and CIX sign an agreement for eventual interconnection,
or was I misinterpreting the press release I saw on com-priv lo these
many moons ago?
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: alt.revolution.counter
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:29:56 GMT

In article <BxCuIr.71M@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
>
>After discussion it appears that the name alt.counter.revolution 
>would violate newsgroup name guidelines. The name
>alt.counter-revolution would I believe have too many characters
>in the second component of its name. 
>
>Therefore I am suggesting alt.revolution.counter as the name 
>of the group. Any comments.
>

alt.revolution.counter is a bad name for the same reason that 
alt.counter.revolution is a bad name.  You missed the point.
Or should I say, you don't want the point.


How about alt.socitey.counter-rev?


TTFN,
M
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:27:27 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov13.004056.20172@cs.tulane.edu> jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella) writes:
>One vote for! :)
>
>Meow...
>-- 

Make that two!

Take a bite out of crime! <CHOMP>

Jason
From: sekey@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Andrew Sekey)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD: Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems (e.g. Myers-Briggs)
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:15:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

Though the Meyers-Briggs is a well proven and useful test, I think that 
Enneagrams are more detailed and a lot more interesting. If a discussion on
personality typing is to be started, I suggest that enneagrams be part of it.

For further details see any of the recent books, e.g. "Personality types" 
by Don Richard Riso, "What is my type?" by Hurley and Dodson.

Andrew
sekey@ece.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: alt.answers discussion
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 06:02:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bx5M0q.Kvq@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.131917.2429@aber.ac.uk> ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct28.154318.28986@cas.org>,
>> lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) doodled:
>>>I would like to propose that we create an alt.answers where folk in the
>>>alt.* hierarchy can cross post their news.answers postings.  
>>Yup, I'll support it, especially as it will help with the alt.config
>>guidelines.
>Who will moderate?  News.answers, and I believe the proposed spinoff
>groups, are all moderated groups.  I think it would make sense to
>moderate alt.answers.
I dunno.  I really think that the danger of flamage in a .answers group
is minimal.

How about sticking it in alt.net.answers?  Er, Creating alt.net.answers.

Big Al.  Yes, I am trying to get a metagroup hierarchy going, why do you ask?
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: alt.fishies.cichlid (Was: Re: new group -- alt.cichlid)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:45:22 GMT

In article <Nov07.200534.84898@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>I think that we should use alt.fish(es).* if we can.  And use cichlidae instead

No.

alt.aquaria.cichlids or alt.aquaria.cichlidae are reasonable names,
but I question the whole idea.  The traffic of cichlid-related postings in
the existant *.aquaria groups does not suggest a burning need for a separate
group.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: ADMIN!!!   Alt.dragons-inn and alt.pub.dragons-inn...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:56:38 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu
In-reply-to: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:26:45 GMT

Can someone please explain to me WHY there are both alt.dragons-inn
and alt.pub.dragons-inn newsgroups?  What is the difference between
the purposes they serve that causes two groups to be necessary?

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena              Moderator, news.answers
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jrc@brainiac.mn.org (Jeffrey Comstock)
Subject: Re: Newgroup:  ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.NUDE
Organization: Sewer of Source Code
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:08:56 GMT

In article <40876@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ee152fbw@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Itoyoko) writes:
>In article <FnIArACJBh107h@momad.UUCP> taz%momad@infoserv.com writes:
>
>Here's a yes vote, but maybe somebody can quickly fill us all in on
>the standard practice of creating an alt group, wasn't it something
>like yes votes - no votes > 100 or something?

No - thats a Usenet rule.  This is altnet - there are no rules - any
shmuck can create a newsgroup anytime they want.  This may sound like
a joke or sarcasim, but it's not.

-- 
Jeffrey R. Comstock 
HOME  jrc@brainiac.mn.org
CW    -. .-. ----- -..
Newsgroups: alt.config,sci.aquaria
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: alt.aquaria.cichlid (was: Re: alt.fishies.cichlid (Was: Re: new group -- alt.cichlid))
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:06:28 GMT

In article <BxD0Au.FtF@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>[deleted]
>sci.aquaria), how about alt.aquaria.cichlid?
>

I think alt.aquaria.ciclid would be the best name IMHO.


TTFN,
M

Xref: sparky alt.config:6654 rec.music.misc:26880 alt.music.alternative:14754
From: menieuwp@cs.vu.nl (Nieuwpoort van ME)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: How about alt.{music,fan}.they.might.be.giants???
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:27:17 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

balogh@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (kevin m balogh) writes:

>In article <dlcogswe.720893442@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>>taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop) writes:
>>>>How about it, people? And what do you think is a better name? alt.fan
>>>>or alt.music??? 
>>
>>>ALT.FAN.They-might-be-giants
>>
>>
>>>That gets my YES vote!!
>>
>>Mine too!  (I was going to suggest it...)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"
>>
>>

>Yeh from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Me too!

Marc "HalfMad" van Nieuwpoort
-- 
PS: Boe!
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.president.clinton
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.034941.146@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:

>I call for the creation of alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie.  
>
>I see a great need.
>
>Let me know what you guys think.

I think that I am on the verge of implementing Chip Salzenberg's C
news newgroup/rmgroup scripts.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: alt.hypnosis
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:26:23 GMT

  A few days ago, an undiscussed and remarkably malformed newgroup
message was sent out by smegma%momad@infoserv.com for the groups
alt.hypnosis and alt.isea.  The latter of these seems opaque and of no
clear redeeming social value without some explanation of the name, but
the former would seem to be useful.

  The groups have not been created widely (appearing neither in
/news/active on ftp.uu.net nor in Bruce Becker's alt listing),
probably because the control message a) tried to create two groups in
one control message, b) had all its header lines repeated twice, and
c) had complete garbage as the message body, to the extent of locking
up my terminal emulator.  This incredibly malformed message was then
actually posted twice.

  I sent e-mail to smegma%momad@infoserv.com asking him to go about
the creation of these groups in a more conventional manner, but I have
not received any reply.

  I think alt.hypnosis would be an interesting group, and I would like
to see it receive wider propagation.  Comments from the peanut
gallery?

--
Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.revolution.counter
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:44:51 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


After discussion it appears that the name alt.counter.revolution 
would violate newsgroup name guidelines. The name
alt.counter-revolution would I believe have too many characters
in the second component of its name. 

Therefore I am suggesting alt.revolution.counter as the name 
of the group. Any comments.

Briefly: the topics to be covered by the group would
be monarchism, integrism, distributism and the counter-revolution
in general.

Nils.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
N.O. Monaghan

monaghan@dcs.gla.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.stores
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:39:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.040820.19395@samba.oit.unc.edu> Richard.Banks@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:

>I think a good idea is to create a group to discuss dairy, gorcery,
>toy, etc stores.

Why?

>Or how about to discuss shopping malls, management,
>design and construction, etc?

Why?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Creating alt.united.we.stand.america
Reply-To: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:41:38 GMT

Several of us over in the alt.politics.perot newsgroup would like to form
a newsgroup for our budding political (un-political) party, United We Stand,
America.  

Is there a sysadmin out there who is willing and able to set this up
for us?

-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix)
Subject: alt.adoption
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:07:13 GMT

 A newsgroup called alt.adoption was recently created and
 since I didn't see a discussion (and because there is no
 other simular group I know of to discuss it), I'll open
 one now...

 I'm not sure if the newgroup was sanctioned (by who sanctions...)
 but I do think this will be a well used group.  Already, 5 posts
 have come to my site on it's first day of existence, and having
 seen the traffic for a simular group on Prodigy (blech) I think
 it will have much more.

 A newsgroup would be an invaluable resource to the many people
 who are affected by adoption, and I hope the powers that be will
 let the group stand.

 Please don't delete it unless it is proven to be a dud.

 Sincerely yours,
 Brian Gix
 (Someone who has just found their birth-parents)


-- 
--Brian Gix                       Motorola
  gix@mdd.comm.mot.com            Mobile Data Division
  (206) 487-5894                  #include <disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.vampyres
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:37:54 GMT

I've crossposted this response into alt.vampyres, and set followups
back to alt.config.

In article <1992Nov12.154810.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>I would like to propose an alt.werewolves newsgroup. 
>
>At this point, the group alt.vampyres has been used by werewolf fans. But that
>isn't really what that group is for. There has been a good interest expressed
>by those who use alt.vampyres for either subject for a group that is expressly
>for werewolf fans.

I like the idea, but for sanity's sake, how about
alt.horror.werewolves, or alt.gothic.werewolves?  (Or whatever is most
appropriate.)  If that goes over well, I'll propose moving
alt.vampyres into the same hierarchy, and see how that idea is
received.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: Enthusiasm for alt.personality-types
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:37:48 GMT

I currently scan sci.psychology for basically this topic, so I'd love to
see a distinct group for it.  

alt.personality-types is a more effective name than anything I could
dream up, IMO.  

-Matt Ryan, very INTJ but learning the other sides,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
==================================  ====================================
From: sari@ncd.com (Sari Lynn Goldbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:38:12 GMT
Organization: NCD

I'd definitely be interested in participating in this newsgroup.  I'd rather the title be kept general, like alt.personality.types.  The systems I've been playing with lately are the Kiersey Temperament Sorter, and the Enneagram.

---------
Sari Lynn Goldbaum
On-line Technical Support Engineer
Network Computing Devices
Newsgroups: alt.config