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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dougie-poo vs. the Ninja Master
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:09:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <s0j9gINNqoo@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
>

>And, true as well, his "personal
>experience" often has a certain cubic zirconium feel to it.  

I think the objection is not to the cubic zirconium, but to the brass setting
in which we find it.

Steve
From: mallon@hsi86.hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: mallon@hsi86.hsi.com.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford

In article <MARY.92Apr8100922@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
<
<In article <1992Apr7.060352.997@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
<
<   In article <1992Apr6.110713.1525@brandonu.ca> lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
<
<[snip]
<
<   >	The beginner is given the white belt...  This is withheld in some clubs
<   >	until the begginer has successfully completed a given number of classes
<
<   Hmmm, then how does he hold his uwagi ("jacket") together? More to the
<   point, how does *she*...
<
<That is why Jigoro Kano invented the Jogbra.  ;-)

I'd never heard that  :-)

<Seriously...we wear belts at all ranks, but it's pretty common for
<the top to come undone, start falling off the shoulders, etc. during
<a vigorous workout (or even a not-so-vigorous workout...mass-produced
<jammies aren't known for their good fit).  Some women wear t-shirts, 
<but most of us just wear a jogbra or something like that and let it
<all hang out.  I've never heard the guys comment, so I assume they're
<all either oblivious, blase, polite, or intimidated.  ;-)

I'd say we try to appear oblivious due to courtesy and/or intimidation
depending on the rank of the individuals.  :-)

One of the women at my dojo wears one of those one piece bathing suit
type things that I think are made for aerobics.  She's never had any
noticeable problems in the 8 years I've been there.

Generally, when the women get their gis, we recommend that they wear
a t-shirt.  There hasn't been a problem as far as I've known.

<Oh, Yiiiiiiiiilllllmaaaaaaaazzzzzz????  Care to comment?

Are you provoking him?  Mary, I'm surprised  :-)

Dan
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 Dan Mallon-Kraft		     mallon@hsi.com
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: What's the point? (ABNORMAL?)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:49:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr13.163331.6956@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.02651.2270@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:> 
>
>> Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
>                                    ^^^^^^^^
>
>BTW: I believe normal should be banned from the english language. It implies
>that there is something that most people should be , which is not true. Average
>is a far more appropriate word. Strive to raise the average, then bring 
>yourself above that.

I would prefer "ATYPICAL".  That captures the idea better for me...
(or maybe POSITIVELY ATYPICAL, no - make that NON-NEGATIVELY ATYPICAL;
 yeah, yeah, that's the ticket...)

ObMA:  I want the black belt simply because I can't learn Ba Gua,
       Black Tigers, and spears, etc. without it...

D

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cynthia@ll.mit.edu (Cynthia Eldridge)
Subject: Re: Black Belt (not what you think)
Originator: cynthia@ll.mit.edu (Cynthia Eldridge)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:47:22 GMT


In article <Darrin_Hyrup.0023@sorinc.UUCP>, Darrin_Hyrup@sorinc.UUCP (Darrin Hyrup) writes:
|> In a message dated Sun  5 Apr 92 06:40, Jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:
|> 
|>  > On the other hand:
|>  > I sometimes would prefer that people didn't know I practiced
|>  > MA. It seems to activate the dork zone in some people's brains.
|>  > "I guess you're pretty tough, huh?"
|>  > "Must do it to let out your frustrations, huh?"
|>  > Or, the worse is when people expect you to be their "hatchet
|>  > man" to handle confrontations.
|> 
|>  JPM> Tell me about it. When I got my yellow belt, MY OWN BROTHER told me,
|>  JPM> "I'll start taking you seriously when you can kick my ass." I know he
|>  JPM> was joking to some extent, but on a certain level, I'm sure he did
|>  JPM> mean it.
|> 
|> Funny you should mention that.  I had the same thing happen to me when I
|> got my Yellow belt in Kenpo.  In fact, my brother still has that attitude,
|> while I am now a purple belt.  Of course, he's a hulking 6'1" 250lb
|> monster, who has thinks he's a bad-ass. :)  While I'm 3" shorter, and
|> lighter than him.

Tell *me* about it.  MY OWN FATHER told me there was "NO WAY" I could get
a black belt.  He said I didn't have the "right character".  Luckily, I
didn't have to fight him to make him change his mind.

--
Cynthia
From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:37:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Re Musashi's defeat by a jo-wielding samurai:

  There are a number of stories about what happened, but, as someone has
pointed out, the general consensus is that the samurai involved was Muso
Gonnosuke Katsuyoshi.

  According to one source, the first duel came about while Musashi was
carving a toy bow.  Gonnosuke arrived wearing a haori that had "greatest
martial artist in all Japan" written on the back.  Mushashi, according
to this version, immediately accepted Gonnosuke's challenge, facing him
with the toy bow he had been carving as a weapon.  Musashi defeated him
easily.  Gonnosuke's weapon is not mentioned, and this source does not
mention Gonnosuke's returning to defeat Musashi.

  Ac. to another source, Musashi faced Gonnosuke using two swords while
Gonnosuke used a bo (staff about 6 feet in length).  Musashi trapped the
staff using the two swords so that Gonnosuke was unable to continue.
Gonnosuke then went off and in a dream was visited by a boy who told him
to use a shorter staff.  Gonnosuke then worked out a system of combat
with this shorter staff that incorporated movements from the sword,
spear, and naginata.  This system became known as shindo Muso-ryu
jojutsu.  Gonnosuke returned and defeated Musashi with his new system.

  There are other sources that tend to support the second account, but I
am by no means familiar with all of them, and I am working from memory
here and don't have the time to dig into the matter.

  Probably neither story is entirely correct.  It is possible that the
famous rematch wherein Musashi suffered defeat at the hands of Gonnosuke
never happened, although it is likely that it did.  Part of the problem
is that there are no entirely unbiased accounts of Japanese martial
history.  Compilers of such histories generally wrote down whatever came
to them by hearsay.  To complicate matters further, the compilers
often plagiarized liberally from previous sources, and such sources were
school records (which were often little more than advertisements for the
school -- descriptions of how such-and-such a samurai was a complete bum
until he came to study x-ryu, after which he was undefeated in all
Japan, etc.).

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Keywords: not really...
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:59:58 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr16.134417.9063@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
>In article <shv4eINNqms@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>
>>In article <8235@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>>In article <sgfapINNln4@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>>>The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
>>>>about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
>>>>month.
>	this is got to be a joke, right!?  it is, isn't it???  

I sort of assumed it *was*. However, I think it's a little annoying to see
statements of the "Judo's just a sport and isn't any good for self-defense",
"Aikido is just for wimps", or "Tai Chi wouldn't work in a *real* fight" flavor
from people who haven't had *any* exposure to the arts they're maligning. 

Of course, that's why *my* keyboard has an "F"(lame) key ;-)

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: Favorite Sparring Combinations
Keywords: sparring, combinations
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.163844.14701@udel.edu> weigand@pecan.udel.edu (Steve Weigand) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.023043.7421@athena.cs.uga.edu> greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock) writes:
>>I was wondering if people would post/email me their favorite sparring
>>combinations?  I have a tournament coming up next month and I'm looking
>>for some new and interesting combinations.  
>
> { several kicking techniques deleted }
>See yas,
>  -Steve Weigand
>
Steve, you must be a TKD'er right?! ;)
Now, from the GojuRyu Karate perspective.
Here's one I like,  
start) 1 leg forward fighting stance, front hand up for blocking,
       back hand in/near chamber.
1) step forward planting forward leg on opponents foot.
+  grab/ or otherwise redirect opponents blocking arm up or down,
   which ever way gives.
+  with chamber hand stike at ANY opening, most likely to be the head.
   sometime the ribs, if opponent is stronger then you expected.
note: in the grab, either drag the opponent into yout push if,
      he is smaller, or pull your punch onto the opponent, for
      extra speed and power.
      the stepping on the foot helps to startle your opponent 
      and hold him in place for your attack. Not to mention its
      hurts their foot thereby distracting their attantion to their foot
      while you attack there upper regions.
      secondly, the grabing arm still serves to block againt opponent's
      attacks, but the beauty of this is now you have THEIR arms to help
      defend for you.  Also this acts as an added distraction to them 
      as they first think about freeing themselves from your grip.


Now after you've successfully executed that attack, thereby disorienting
your opponenet with a shot to the head.  And if God willing you still
have control of his arm, step behind opponent and apply and
arm bar forcing him face first into the floor.  ...ooh ooops!
This was for a tournament right? Well drop that last arm bar part! :)

Ray
From: acevedo@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A new belt question
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:10:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydrox-c.ACEVEDO.92Apr12111041
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <702916120@romeo.cs.duke.edu> jfh@duke.cs.duke.edu (Fran
Heidlage) writes:

	   The other night I was talking with a martial arts colleague
	   and an interesting question arose.  I was told, somwhere in
	   the distant past, that your belt must never touch the floor
	   unless you were wearing it (e.g. rolls, breakfalls, ground-
	   work, etc.)  Has anyone else out there in rec.ma land heard
	   of such a thing?  Do you have any ideas about the origin of
	   this tradition?  Or did I make it up in my sleep one night?

"Your belt doesn't hit the floor, unless you hit the floor with it..."

Yeah, I've heard of that before.  It's a matter of respect; there's
probably a similar unwritten rule for the American flag.  Makes sense to
me; I "follow" that rule implicitly, just out of treating my belt and
uniform with respect.  I wouldn't be surprised if some places make that
a strict, explicit rule.
--
Raul Acevedo
acevedo@Athena.MIT.EDU

"Remember, Information is not knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom;
Wisdom is not truth; Truth is not beauty; Beauty is not love;
Love is not music; Music is the best."
	 - Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 13:54:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: another opinion, worth about what you paid for it
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Keywords: nother opinion, with a twist of -=-< humor >-=-

In article <1992Apr11.200305.25066@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.202737.24494@bnr.ca> naldrett@bcarh893.bnr.ca (Steve Naldrett) writes:
>
>>      S - tae-kwon do, judo, karate
>                              ^^^^^^
>
	-=-< severely edited >-=-

>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>                              ^^^^^^
>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>                             ^^^^^^
>               ARARARARRAGGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>-Lauren

	just a little frustrated?  don't worry, we can sell him a clue for
a $mall meikdo fee.... he he....{touch bin/smiles/#4}  and they wonder why
she sleeps with her sword in her clutches....
	as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce flame
Keywords: request for proof/documentation....
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:22:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: xlnt.1006
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Apr13.03939.4115@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
|> 
|>  Wait!!! Wait!!!!
|> 
|>  The Scene: A large, well lit ballroom.  
|> 
|>  Fred Astair: 'I'm dancing in the rain, just dancing in the rain,
|> 	       what a wonderfull feeling, I'm smiling again....'
|>        Fred breaks in a tapdance:
|> 
|>        Tip tip tip tap tappity tappity tap.
|> 
|> Suddenly, as Fred continues his girations, a spare figure dressed
|> from head to toe in black drops from the chandelier, landing in a
|> ninja-like pose....

Just to be a little picky, it was Gene Kelley (Kelly?) in "Singing in the Rain."
Someone can pick on my spelling.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
the hapa haole
(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Standing joint locks.
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:06:02 GMT

Someone asked via email:

> One other question comes to mind, however;  does TKD have any 
> equivalent to the joint-lock immobilizations in Aikido?  There
> are several ways to perform a technique and leave the attacker
> standing up, but locked in such a way that further attack is
> impossible without sacrificing a locked wrist....

	I'm not sure what "TKD"(tm) has, (or even what exactly
"TKD" is --- "a rose by any other name..." etc. :^) or is supposed
to have in the way of joint locks, but how about the following:

	1) Opp has his right arm extended for some obscure reason.
Grab the wrist/hand with your right, coming in from the left slightly,
and upwards.  At the same time grab his elbow with your left hand and
pull it downwards.  Force his hand up near his shoulder and slightly
to the outside of the shoulder joint while holding his elbow low.
You should be stepping to his outside at the same time.  Force the
wrist downwards behind the shoulder (it shouldn't actually move there,
just push it in that direction).  You can help things along by lifting
the elbow high now.

	2) Policeman's come-along, with you standing on your opponent's
right, left arm under his arm-pit.  His arm is bent at the elbow so 
that his upper arm is down and his forearm is up with the wrist bent
to force the fingers down.  Use your left and right hands to apply 
pressure to the wrist.  You get into this happy position by grabbing
his right hand with your left while standing beside him.  Raise his
hand into position while slipping your left arm under his right.  Grab
on with your right hand, and if it all happens fast enough, he probably
won't have time to break out and slug you :^)

	3) Good old arm behind the back forcing up (bend the wrist if
you like :^) to put the shoulder in pain.  You get into this with
a bit of strenght while grappling.  I'll leave the details to your
fertile imagination :^)

	There are a couple of others I can think of but don't have time
to explain right now.  You might get these deadly secret techniques out
of me, but only if there's some interest :^)

	Aiki-people should be able to share lots huh?

		Barry.


 _____________________________________________________________________
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| Fax:   +61 7 365 4399     | The University of Queensland \|   __\   |
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Musashi Question
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:00:29 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr14.184653.6290@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
>
>  Did Musashi have any children?
>  The short answer: YES. He had a son.  His name was Miyamoto Iori.
>
>  Is this from a reliable source?
>  Judge for yourself.  A monument in honor of Musashi was erected after
>his death.  On the monument is written an account of Musashi's various
>deeds.  The end of the inscription on the monument reads, "I, his
>faithful son, do hereby erect this monument so that his deeds may be
>known."  The last words read, "Erected by Miyamoto Iori."
>
Heh...you learn something new every day. Thanks, Eric!

Steve
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: renee warren
Summary: greetings and salutations from renee
Keywords: -=-=-=-=-=-< and now for something completely different! >
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:46:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Ap09.004645.6077
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of EngineeringE


hi all,

	i got some snail-mail and two (borrowed accounts) e-mail messages from
our very own (but net-less) renee warren.  she is doing well, and sends her 
regards to all.  she is still net-less, but i can get net-mail to her through
another person who is willing to act as conduit.  i also have her us-mail path
(boy! have i been logged in to long!) make that address.
	she wants to know what's been happening and i should catch her up on
the net-happenings.  (i was thinking about sending her.... nah... i won't start
that here.... {touch bin/smiles/#4})
	she has been training hard, and hopes to attend the NACMAF tournament
this summer. 
	anyone wanting to send their greetings, a message, or e-mail can contact
me for details....
	you know the way.....
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
From: ngqtuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Tuan Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:39:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.141427.1@gallua> CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:
>
> ..........
>
>Since my posting yesterday, I've seen several replies which lead me to believe
>that there are a lot of knowledgable and yea, even humble,  readers, but that
>they don't post that often.  Or perhaps, I just picked a bad week.  ;-)
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think you did. |-) I think you got the wrong impression of this group, I've
read this group for a while and I have learned many good stuffs from here.
The people here are very helpful.  I agree with you that there are many bad
postings but there are also a lot of good ones.  I learned what is good and
ignore what is bad.  Oh! I am also a beginner.

>in any case, I think I will follow the advice given by several people here, and
>ignore this newsgroup to go find some *REAL* students and teachers.
>--
>
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T.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Aikido(Re: Crush and maim (was: How to choose...))
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:55:41 GMT


>	While we're all in the habit of including amusing anti...I
>mean, anecdotes...
>During a 1st dan grading, our instructor (sparring with the person
>grading) noticed that one of the second dan's at the grading table
>was sitting in a rather too-relaxed position with his legs each side 
>of the corner leg of the table.  He manoeuvred the (about to be) 
>1st dan towards the table (across most of the room) and with one
>final kick sent him backwards to bump the table, the leg of which
>collided with the 2nd dan's chair.  His posture improved remarkably
>after his near miss.

>	Of course, in Aikido, our instructor wouldn't have had the
>choice to push the guy back with a gentle kick, but would have only
>been able to brutally throw him onto the table, causing everyone a
>great deal of pain and numerous debilitating injuries (not to mention
>the financial burden of possible lawsuits etc.)..... ;^)  TKD is 
>obviously a far more compassionate art....  ;^)

Actually, the accomplished aikido instructor would simply have had to
kiai at the offending nidan.  Or (with someone like Chiba Sensei) simply
_look_ at him.

On the other hand, the situation would never arise: teachers at aikido
tests invariably sit in seiza _on the floor_.  No one gets to very high
rank without being able to sit in this ridiculously uncomfortable
position for hours at a stretch. :-)

>		Barry.

--Jeff



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From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Multiple oppnents
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:08:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr16.160805.1002

In article <Qdv_weG00awEEDm0hc@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:

> Hey, this could be the answer. Carry mace.

Make sure it's mace concentrate, and not that cheap over-the-counter
stuff.  Regular mace is pretty worthelss stuff, and it wouldn't make
me cry at a funeral.

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu