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From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: olympic three-day
Keywords: olympic, 3-day
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:25:18 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

I hope this much-vaunted triplecast of the Olympics doesn't keep
short-changing us horsey-types!!  The 2 1/2 hours of coverage we were
supposed to get today of the first day of 3-day dressage lasted a
whopping 55 minutes.  GGGRRRRRR!!!!!  Anyway, here are the results of the
7 tests they did telecast:

Karen Dixon    	       Get Smart        GBR    44.60 **
J. Michael Plumb       Adonis  	        USA    49.60
David Green    	       Duncan II        AUS    56.20
Richard Walker 	       Jacana  	        GBR    58.00
Andrew Nicholson       Spinning Rhombus NZL    61.20
Luis Alvarez Cervera   Mr. Chrisalis    ESP    65.00
Rachel Hunter  	       King Plantagenet CAN    80.20

** The alternate is riding for the British team because Master Craftsman
came up lame.


I do plan to tape all the three-day coverage they decide to telecast on
the triplecast (and I don't want to get gipped again!! :-) ), so if
anybody wants to work something out to get my tape(s), let me know.
Also, I wasn't planning on taping the dressage or show jumping even though
I will be watching, so if someone wants me to tape them, I will.  Just let
me know.  E-mail gets to me fairly quickly as I am connected directly to
UUNET and I login to UUNET nightly.

Judy

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
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From: cap@netcom.com (Caroline Smrstik)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Olympic Triplecast (rip-off!)
Summary: want/need dressage videotapes!
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:07:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: compulsive

Well, I was going to bite. I phoned my "friendly" local cable guy,
intending to order the Olympic Triplecast *just* so I could watch
the dressage. And the eventers. (I used to live near the USET in
Gladstone NJ, and sorely miss the opportunities to see qualifying
events. Now, I *know* there are good competitions here in California,
but face it-- NJ is a much smaller state to navigate!)

Since I don't have "basic cable" already (with horses to ride and life
to live, who has time to watch 157 channels?!), I learned it will cost
me $100 just to have it hooked up! Plus $30 for cable service just during
the Olympic weeks, plus the $130 or so for the Triplecast itself!

Needless to say, this is a bit more than I can spare.

Is there anyone out there who is ordering the Triplecast and plans to
videotape the equestrian events? I will be happy to pay for tapes,
duplicating, shipping, and part of the Triplecast cost (heck, it's *got*
to be less than $250!). I am most interested in the team dressage
on 3 August and the individual dressage on 5 August.

I plan to check around my barn and see if anyone is getting the
Triplecast, but thought I'd also send out a plea over the net just
to cover all bases.

thanks!

Caroline

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                               cap@netcom.com

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From: WISNIEWS_ELA@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Questions from a "green" rider....
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:01:33 GMT


Hi all! 

I'm brand new to rec.equestrian and new to the equestrian world.
Recently I have started taking English lessons (in the central Connecticut 
area) and have actually been bumped up to the more "advanced" class! 
Needless to say, I am very excited and ADDICTED! 

I do not have my own/nor can afford to buy a horse at this time, but I plan 
to in the future.  In the meantime I am trying to learn as much about horses,
horse care, and riding. 

Does anyone have any suggestions about what I can do to speed my
learning along?  I've read some books but the ones I have found are
fairly dated. Does this matter?  

Also, I was interested in co-leasing a horse with another rider.  Does
anyone know what this usually entails?  Are boarding or medical expenses, etc...
included in the lease price? 

Thanks in advance!

Ela Wisniewski

Internet Address:  WISNIEWS_ELA@CCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rmvale@watnow.waterloo.edu (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Re: Drugging horses for sale
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:24:52 GMT

In article <13429@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
>Pam writes:
>"As for drugging, I have seen sedatives in catalogs that are organically 
>based and do not show up on any tests."
>
For another argument against showing up for a trial viewing only
by appointment, beware the "natural" sedative of fatigue.  Our
Welsh Cob pony is away at school (pony club) because the owner was
unable to manage the animal after she bought it.  Found out later
that the pony had been ridden hard on a 2-hr. trail ride the
morning of the buyer's visit and therefore proved to be sweet and
quiet for the trial.  She bought the pony, thereby reducing the
work load from a summer riding camp of several hours daily riding
to an hour or less 2-3 times a week.  Even after several weeks of
no work at all, to reduce her fitness level, the pony was an
excitable handful.

She's doing well at pony club with an intermediate/advanced rider
but that isn't what the owner paid $2500 for.

Lack of fitness and/or fatigue do not show up on drug tests.

Ruth
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From: slc7346@venus.tamu.edu (COSTA, SANDI L)
Subject: Re: Rubber bands?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.102215.3063@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes...
> 
>I took my friend's daughters to a local open show last Sunday.  Mostly 
>QH people there, we were a little out of place with my old grade Appy
>gelding.  But he always does well, my friend's daughter Mariah was showing 
>him in a Western Horsemanship Class, she had the correct tack, clothes, etc.
> 
>The judge told her that he was taking off points because she didn't have
>those little rubber bands on the horse's mane!  Since when did they become
>manditory?  Is this judge crazy?  I've seen them on lots of horses, mostly
>QH.  I think it looks sort of dumb.  Thank God they don't use them on Arabs!
> 
>The horse was properly groomed, his mane had been pulled and trimmed to the
>correct length.  Why do they need these rubber bands?
> 
>Sue

Sue, I am new to the equestrian group but I do show alot.  I also have had
experience with these rubber band people.  The show rules in the different
associations state that all artificial restraints, martingales (except in
English riding classes) or means of brading the mane, tail, or rubber bands
are not allowed in halter or riding events.  You might need to check with
the association to see what the rules regarding these regulations are.  In
my experience I was disqualified for using a rubberband on my horses tail
because the tail trailed the ground by 2 feet, I put a rubberband on it so
we could do the back thru in a trail class.  We fairly beat all 20 in the
class and had no faults but the judge took me aside and told me because
of the rubber band I was disqualified.  Go figure.  I show AQHA, mini horses
and Paint/Pintos and I know there is a rule against using rubberbands.  
However some judges don't take off points.  Yours is the first one I have
heard of that took points off because of it.  If I were you I would find
out which rules applied to the show (AQHA are the most common used) and
I would lodge a complaint on the judge to the appropriate people and also
send a copy of the letter to the association he is carded in and let them
correct the judge their way.

Good luck.  Keep showing, all shows are run differently, and all judges
are different.  Keep track of the judges you show under and then just go
to the judges who like your "type" of horse.

Sandi
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: interbreeding
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:19:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

While I have not read that Equus Przywalski and the modern horse can
interbreed AND produce fertile offspring, I will except that at the
moment, I need to do more research on it as my sources say otherwise.
There is some confusion in some books between Przywalski's horse and
the Tarpan which was a primitive wild horse that became extinct through
interbreeding with modern horses and has only been recreated by taking
native (Polish, I believe) horses with primitive characteristics and
letting them run wild in a forest preserve until they bred true for
those characteristics and resembled the Tarpan of old.  Perhaps it
is this horse, which is sometimes called (by confused sources) Equus
Przywalski Tarpanensis, that some books are confusing with the
Asiatic Wild Horse (Equus Przywalski)?  In any case the Asiatic
Wild Horse has existed as a separate species side-by-side with feral
modern horses WITHOUT constant interbreeding and therefore is still
a separate species, whether this is because of social reasons (i.e.
mating behavior/interest is different) or because of the differing
chromosome number is moot.

				Tracy and everybody
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:07:44 GMT
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


Listening to the results of the Frontier Days Rodeo, I heard
something that is relevant here.  Many of the BULL RIDERS
are now going to the hard hat/cowboy hat combination.  I
didn't think bull riders had that many brains left :-).

Wendy
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Ride and Tie World Championship
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:59:24 GMT
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: web@press.Corp.Sun.COM's message of 22 Jul 92 21:34:59 GMT


What you call "Ride and Tie" used to be called "hitch-hiking",
back in B.C. ( Before Cars ).

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re :Experienced?  Maybe.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:43:46 GMT

>And carol - if I'm inexperienced with 6 years in the big horns, what are you
>with only 4 in the rockies?
>
>Susan

Experience has nothing to do with years.  It has to do with attitude and
ability.  A person with 4 years in the rockies can easily be more
experienced than someone with 6 in the big horns.  Carol was right.  If you
cannot control the horse, you have no business being out alone.  Susan was 
right.  The horses that do it for you are for the rank beginner, which all
of us were at one time, whether our egos will let us admit it or not. 

Beware the person who claims to be experienced because they've been
riding for X number of years.  Riding is rather like getting a PHd.
It isn't how long you've spent on the research, but do you know what
to do with the knowledge once you've got it.

Christine Mills
From: bjones@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body Language...
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:55:55 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <22454@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently taking lessons (Western) at a local stable & am hoping to
> be leasing by this time next year (when my car is paid off!).  I'm trying
> to learn as much as I can thru reading this newsgroup, asking my instructor
> *tons* of questions and reading a few books.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good book on horse behavior?  I'd specifically like
> to know more about body language... I know that the ears play an important
> role in communicating what a horse is thinking.  I've gotten pretty good
> at figuring out my dogs (a Golden Retriever & a Rhodesian Ridgeback) by
> their body language... can the same be done for horses???  How do you
> know if a horse likes you (or doesn't)?
> 
> Thanks,
> Anne
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> |  Anne Locke                locke@caesi.scg.hac.com        |
> |  **********                                               |
> |  Hughes Aircraft Company / Space and Communications Group |
> |  Computer Aided Engineering and System Integration        |
> |  El Segundo, Ca.                                          |
> |  (310) 416-5634                                           |
> -------------------------------------------------------------

Anne,

There is a book called "The Body Language of Horses" by Bonnie Ledbetter
and somebody else (whose name I don't recall) that would probably answer
most of your questions. The authors seem to be mostly into the TB/race
horse scene, but the first part of the book contains a very detailed
description of the horsey body language and tips on interpreting it
correctly, which I found very informative. 
I will try to look up the other author and the LOC ref number tonight
and e-mail you tomorrow.

Beata
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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Need a Friend
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:56:37 GMT
	<1992Jul20.133544.12197@cs.cornell.edu>
	<1992Jul20.180737.15659@infonode.ingr.com>
	<DOCONNOR.92Jul20132154@potato.sedona.intel.com>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: doconnor@sedona.intel.com's message of 20 Jul 92 20:21:54 GMT

In article <DOCONNOR.92Jul20132154@potato.sedona.intel.com> doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes:

   Here's my fallible understanding

   Burro  : a small breed of the ass family
   Donkey : another small breed of the ass family
   Ass    : a breed of the ass family (suprise!), the "standard" size
   Onager (sp?) : a breed of the ass family larger than an ass
   Zebra  : a species of the ass family, with lotsa stripes

   I believe any of the above can interbreed with fertile offspring resulting.

   Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com

Nope. 
	Horse = Equus caballus.
	Donkey = Burro = Ass = Equus asinus.
	Onager = Equus onager.
	Zebra = Equus zebra.

I.e. all are distinct sub-species of genus equus, and each has a
different number of chromosomes, which guarantees that offspring will
NOT be fertile (well, most of the time---there have been a few molly
mules with wierd genetic makeup who managed to have foals).  Onagers
are getting rare (and several other ass-like equines have become
extinct in the last couple of centuries), so there aren't a lot of
those crosses.  Zonkeys (zebra x donkey) are being bred as yet another
"curiosity" pet, but I understand that they a little hard to handle.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: bjones@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Olympic Dressage Update
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:13:00 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

Could someone fortunate enough to have access to cable tv (and be able
to afford the Olympic Triplecast) keep the rest of us updated on the
progress of the Dressage competition? As it turns out, the network (NBC)
is going to have some limited coverage of the three-day and show jumping, 
so at least we're going to find out how everyone is doing (even if don't
actually get to see them ride), but it looks like dressage is going to be
completely ignored. BTW, if someone can explain to me how NBC determined
that most viewers would rather see something as crude and mindless as
boxing or wrestling than dressage, please e-mail or post (yes, I am quite
upset about this!!!)
Thanks in advance.

Beata
and Prosperity 
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From: ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claire Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:29:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <sysmatt.712398703@aix3090b.uky.edu>, sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (James M. Simpson) writes:
> It would be great if every rental stable had a range of horses ranging from
> does-nothing-but-walk to dynamite-on-four-legs, and had a magic skill-meter
> they could plug into people to match them to the right horse. Instead, 
> they're stuck with assuming everybody is an idiot, because they've all seen
> the idiots pretending to be experts, and it's tough to separate them from the
> really good riders before it's too late.

One place I've been to gets people to trot around an outside
ring before taking them out. This at least gives them some idea
of what they are up against! I think they don't do it every 
time but only when they are a bit suspicious, like when 
someone they've never seen before turns
up in inapproriate clothing. [My friend did this because she'd
forgotten we had planned  going riding at lunchtime and hadn't
brought suitable clothes to work, but wanted to go anyhow....].


-- 
Claire
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(I don't know why I bother with a signature really, all the information
 in it appears (more concisely) in the header right before my eyes.)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sandi@hubcap.clemson.edu (Sandi Piazza)
Subject: Re: Rubber bands?
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:28:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.074039.3075@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.170415.8882@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>> Banding manes down to make them lie flat against the horses neck is a must
>> at AQHA shows in halter and western events.  It is not required in the rules,
>> but for appearances sake, you better do it, just as you wash and clip to
>> look good in the ring.
>> 

Help me on this one ... I'm having a really rough time visualizing how
putting rubber bands on a (non-braided) mane makes it lie flat !!!!! Can
anyone supply a description of the process?
           Sandi

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: liberk@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Katherine Libertucci)
Subject: mileage costs to travel to farm to give lessons
Reply-To: liberk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:32:07 GMT

	I have never been in the position of going to other farms to give lessons
in my 15 years of teaching so I would appreciate advice from other professionals
on this subject.

	What is the customary charge to travel to the farm?. I was considering
60 cents per mile which would include my time to drive there.
	I will be giving a 3 person group lesson so I was going to split it
between the 3 riders (all adults)

	Thanks in advance


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Subject: Re: North Atlantic Buckskin Assoc
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:22:48 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <vjrx9!q@rpi.edu>, liberk@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Katherine Libertucci) writes:
> 	Can anyone out there give me the address of this assoc?. My pride and
> joy, High Chaparral, passed away and he was NABA High point trail horse of the
> year in the late 70's. I wanted to establish a class in his honor and donate a
> perpetual trophy.
> 	It has been quite afew years since I have been active with the shows
> and I cannot seem to locate the address. I seem to remember the person that
> was in charge was Lyn Coffie?.
> 	I would appreciate any information.
> Thanks in advance
> 

Katherine, you sound like you may know something about buckskins.  An
acquaintance recently bought a mare, a yellow dun, no black stockings,
no black mane and tail.  She says the mare is double registered as QH and
Buckskin and has Buckskin show points.  Now, I've always thought a buckskin
had to have black points?

Sue

> 
> 
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From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:44:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.001555.11202@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
>I just couldn't resist posting - and this has been seconded by someone else
>on the net in the past - when people say "I want to rent horses someplace
>without a guide" it really hits my trigger.  The *only* reason people say
>this is because they want to run the s*** out of the horses!  Otherwise
>you wouldn't mind a guide being along.  It makes me so mad! 
(stuff delted)
>Karen Karlsson on Joakim Karlsson's account

I am not a guide, but I have rented.  It has been my experience that the
people who want to rent without guides don't necessarily want to run the
horse.  It just inflates their ego to be able to tell their friends they
went out without a guide.  They think (usually erroneously) that they know
enough about horses they don't need a guide.  I know enough about horses
I don't mind going with a guide.  It does not bother me to have the guide
along.  In fact, even when I ride my horse on trail, I go with someone.
It's sort of like swimming.  If you can't swim, don't go in the pool without
the lifeguard being around.  If you can swim, take a friend.  Accidents
can happen, and having someone around who knows the horses, and what to
do in an emergency could literaly save your life.

In defense of those who have had one too many bad guides, looking at it
from the renters point of view, if you are a guide you have to like
people.  If you treat the renter like they are raw recruits at boot
camp, the chances are they will come back and beg to be allowed out 
without the guide.  A guide needs to balance the welfare of the horses with
the desires of the renter.  Most renters do like to run the horses.  They
get a thrill from it.  Obviously you cannot run the horses every moment,
and the bain of a guide's existence is the snot nosed little brat who's
never been taught to listen, and manages to get the horse to run, even
when they have been told 'No.'  Still, you cannot run a trail ride like
a forced march (we run here, walk here, cross here, and God forbid you
request that everyone be allowed to stop at the lake a moment to watch
the wild life).   As a guide, assume the people you are taking on the
trail are reasonable, intelligent human beings.  Be flexible and willing
to break the routine.  If the renters prove they are idiots, then you can
play marine drill sargent.

Christine Mills
(who never goes on a trail ride alone, even when she's on her own horse)