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From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:59:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.212118.13189@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.153633.6384@dg-rtp.dg.com> goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
>>In article <92358.114600SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>>> In the UK, use of a car phone while driving is illegal. The law may
>>> be an ass, but in this case it's a sensible one!
>>
>>At first glance, this would appear obvious.  However a while ago I
>>recall reading a newspaper story describing a recent study (done by
>>the US DOT, or some such federal agency, I believe) on the use of
>>car phones in the US.  The people running the study were surprised
>>to discover no statistically significant difference between the
>>accident rates of drivers using phones and those not using them.
>>
>
>your article's statistics may or may not be right, and you may be a
>good-to-excellent driver who can anticipate a problem and/or
>recognize one immediately and respond to it (even if your passenger
>doesn't know whats happening till after the fact) BUT there are _so-o-o_
>many people out there (that shouldn't be driving cars in the first place)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that have phones clamped to their ears that are creating a nuisance,
>especially during rush hour time-frames - I beg to differ with your
>article, and stand by my feeling that if someone insists on having a
>car phone, they should either use it only when parked by the side of
>the road or have a hands-free one
>
>
If they are so bad, what difference does it make if they talk to a phone
or a passenger.  I believe that is the point.  Why condem the phone, when
it is the driver.  Why condem other safe drivers who use a car phone when
it is the unsafe driver that is the problem.

This whole car phone thing is a myth.  Drivers are no more unsafe using
a phone than not.  Everybody has seen, or heard,,, but there will alwayse
be bad drivers - phone or not!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: paul@NeoSoft.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:08:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.012530.6463@informix.com> aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) writes:
>In article <102651@netnews.upenn.edu> tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik) writes:
>>My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
>>Is there a FAQ on these?
>
>On wives, or on car phones?            [-:

If there's one on wives would someone forward me a copy?


-- 
Paul Hutmacher     | "These things happen.  One day you run everything
paul@NeoSoft.Com   |  and the next day you run like a dog." -- HST
From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: impact is dead
X-Sender: newtout 0.03 Dec 29 1992
Date: 29 Dec 92  10:05:04

 bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 
   (Brian J Queiser) sez:

 > There are people that believe in EVs no matter what the price.  They
 > are the true "eco-freaks," blinded by some passionate fixation to save
 > the planet at any cost.  I'm sorry for being so inflammatory, but my
 > comments weren't necessarily aimed at this audience.

   Horseshit.  If your comments weren't aimed at this audience, why 
did you post them here?
   People won't accept EVs because they have been brainwashed 
into thinking they can't be used. Most EVs have a range of 100 
miles or so. How far do you travel to work? I drive a total of 6 
miles a day, to work and back. Yeah, I can see where I'd need a 
300 mile range, in case I got lost.  My IC car costs about $2 a 
day to drive. When I had an EV, it was about $.25. Plug it in 
once a week and that's it. How about forgetting about the 
ecological reasons to drive an EV and consider just how much 
money you'd save?
   The only reason I don't drive it now is I had to move to a 
apartment that has nowhere I can plug it in. When I get back into 
a house (soon, I hope) I'll have an EV again.
   I wonder if there is a single person who is against EVs that 
ever owned or drove one?  Uninformed opinions are sure easy to 
come by...



... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So)
Subject: CRX steering wheel (help)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:18:02 GMT

The steering wheel and column of my 1990 Honda CRX Si
is making some strange noise when I turn it (left or
right). Does anyone on netland have instructions on
how to take the thing apart so that I could look at
it. I have the Haynes manual but there is no instruction
except a picture and that I should start by peeling 
out the H emblem. Thanks for you help.
--------------------------------
Joseph So
Mathematics, U of Alberta, Edmonton
joseph@hyper.math.ualberta.ca
~
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:58:56 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute


In article <24593@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:
>In article <236@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu> johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns) writes:
[stuff about testing ABS on wet unpopulated roads deleted.]

>Yeah, it helps people not know how to drive and can teach bad habits.

 This was given as an example of how good ABS is, not a preferred driving
 style.  People have only needed to "know how to drive" with respect to
 emergency braking due to cars' limitations up to this point.  ABS goes a
 long way to fixing this.
 Agreed on the bad habits if they ever go back to a non-ABS car.  But I think
 in another year or two you will be hard pressed to find a car that does not
 come with ABS.

>>I have rarely, if ever, had the ABS system kick in on dry/normal road
>>conditions.  An exception is when your cruising about 80, not watching where
>>you are all that closely, and notice the road you want to turn on is 20 ft in
>>front of you, hit the brakes and throw the car into the corner, the ABS will
>>keep you from sliding sideways through the intersection.  Without ABS your
>>only option would be to not turn.
>>
>>This experience is with the ABS system on a 1990 Toyota Supra.
>
>Have you REALLY done this? ABS does not allow you the break the laws
>of physics. Just because the brakes don't lock does not mean that
>you won't exceed the corning ability of the car and tires. ABS is also

 Yes, I have, and it was definately not planned.  And has not been repeated.
 One of those unexpected events one does not plan for.
 No laws of physics were being broken, the point is that with ABS you can
 be under full breaking and still control the car, even in a corner.
 Once you start a skid you no longer have directional control of the car.

>not perfect. If the system thinks the car is stopped, then it won't
>do anything (on ice). If there is sand, oil or anything like that
>you ABS brakes won't help as you slide into the curve.

 Not true, they will help.  They will not provide a perfect stop, but they
 will help.  A car with ABS will handle those situations much better than a
 car without.  ABS does not remove the drivers brain from the equation, it is
 a tool that he uses to control the car.  A tool that gives him MORE control
 over the car he is driving.

>						 Kemasa.
>
>Insanity is the best defense.
>
>NRA Life Member/Certified Instructor	Sierra Club I-rated Leader
>		Pro-freedom		Pro-choice
>
>e-mail address: kemasa@ghost.hac.com

 The point, I believe, of this discussion is ABS and it abilities, not my
 somewhat questionable driving habits.  I think the fact that I am still
 alive is a rather good testimonial for ABS. :)

-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jmh@Turing.ORG (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Subject: Re: Integra handles like pig on skates - what tires to get?
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:04:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.044955.24956@tc.cornell.edu> eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander) writes:
>Sorry if this is FAQ material, but I have not been monitoring rec.autos or
>the car mags recently.
>
>My 88 Acura Integra has just about chewed through its original Michelin MXV
>tires.  I was utterly unimpressed with these tires.  The steering response
>on dry surfaces was slow and squishy, with little warning near the breakaway
>point.  Traction in rain and snow was terrible.  Scary even.
>
My better half has a '90 Integra and almost IMMEDIATELY after delivery removed
the michelins in favor  of a BETTER handling tire, that tire of choice was
a Yokahama A509, although these wont last nearly as long as the Michelins
they will preform much better on wet roads.  Also the Yokahamas have a "knappy"
tread design and you may notice a little more tire noise.


Good Luck
Jeff

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Mercury Villager
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:09:11 GMT

jsecinor@sw.stratus.com (John Secinore) writes:

>The hoses that were cut happened to be fuel tank filler hoses. I had the
>recall on my '93 Villager done last Wednesday.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Ford was "encouraging" their dealers
to make arrangements with Villager owners to pick up their car at their home
and leave them a loaner car or pick up the car wherever they worked and
return it before quitting time, in both cases returning it with a full tank
of gas.  Apparently this is what Nissan was going to do with the Quests.

My question is:  Did this happen to you or to any of the other Villager/Quest
owners out there in netland?

Just wondering...

BTW, from what I remember, not all Villager/Quests are affected.  They did
figure out exactly who the knife-happy guy was who slashed the hoses
accidentally.  I wonder what's going to happen to _him_.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Department of Engineering Mechanics
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1992Dec30.175319.18311@ll.mit.edu> psanders@ll.mit.edu (Pete Sanders) writes:
>
>Before buying a new Japanese car please read:
>
>	JAPANYES, (2nd edition)
> 
>monu6.cc.monash.edu.au. The most recent version is in pub/nihongo.
>
>	(ftp site)


  Then go right ahead and buy whatever car you want to. 

  And while you're at it, send good ole jingoistic Pete some nice
  friendly email telling him what a short-sighted simplistic
  twit he is.
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car phones
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

In article 2761@schbbs.mot.com, ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson) writes:
|>tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik) writes:
|>
|>>My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
|>>Is there a FAQ on these?
|>>Is there a more appropriate newsgroup then this one?
|>
|>I would recommend a hand-held phone.  This provides the convenience and
|>security that comes with having a Cellular, but mobility and functionality
|>is greatly increased.
|>

And I would recommend that anyone considering a cellular phone
for use in a vehicle get a hands-free model.  

My personal observation suggests an epidemic of drivers devoting
so much of their attention to using a car phone while driving
that they have no idea where they are in the lanes or what other
traffic  is around them. And they certainly don't signal
lane changes or turns because one hand is occupied by the
phone handset. The worst is someone flying down the highway
at 80 mph with one hand hold the phone and the busy dialing it

Look Ma - no hands. Oh, now look, no head!!

---
  	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: The Amazing Cut Away Saturn
Date: 27 Dec 1992 06:55:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Seem to be some interesting flames on the Saturn lately - anyway,
there's a minor misunderstanding about the bolt on door skins and
fenders which a few folks are jumping all over.

Yes, it appears that it may be easy to unbolt these components - but
the bolts are NOT exposed to the outside were anyone can walk up to
them with a T-40 and rip them off.  You'd first have to bust out the 
door lock (like any other car) to open the door to gain access to the
bolts.  As for the fender, you'd have to bust the hood release (like
most other cars) or rip open the trunk to gain access to those bolts.

The point is that one could probably vandalize a Saturn for parts with
the same degree of ease that could be applied to most other cars - or 
lack of ease for that matter.  If you're a professional car thief,
and really want a vehicle, NOTHING will protect it.

-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
From: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Good Mazda Dealer
Keywords: mx-6 mazda dealer
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM
Distribution: ne
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: phaedrus.east.sun.com

For those of you looking for a Mazda in New England, 
I had a GOOD experience with Davy Motors of Lynn, Mass.

When I bought my MX-6 they were polite, pleasant, and 
most important, quoted me a price of $100 over invoice 
(which they showed it to me and it corresponded to my info 
from Consumer Reports pricing service).  No doubt they
actually made more money than $100, but the price I got from
them was $700 less than the nearest price given by any
other dealer and with much less pain.

The dealer I worked through was named Steve Kennerson,
and their number is 617-599-6100.  Tell him Eric sent you.

I am posting this just because they were good, which was
pretty amazing after the bad experiences I had.  Speaking
of which -- avoid Quirk Mazda in Quincy and Norwood Mazda
in Norwood.  Both of these places gave me the standard
run around, and it was like pulling teeth to get them within
$1000 of the invoice price.
From: golder@titan.ppd.kodak.com (Patrick Golder)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lotus Elan...why did it fail?
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:12:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.045016.13570@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
|> 
|> Now that you have had some time to think about it...why?

I'd guess that the biggest reason was price.  $40K was just too much
money for what you got, considering the competition.  IMHO, they made
a big mistake making the car front-wheel-drive too.  Then there's the
lesser but significant factors of not having much of a dealer network,
not knowing how to market the car or who their market even was, not 
advertising it much, etc.
Xref: sparky rec.autos:30877 rec.autos.tech:17351
From: mtbs100@emx.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: A QUESTION ABOUT TIRES
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:13:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


Hi there!  I know very little about tires, so if any of you can help me with
a very simple (ignorant, you might say) question, I'll greatly appreciate it.

According to my car's manual, the recommended tire size is 185/70-R14.  But
after looking through some mail order ads in car magzines, I find that most
of them only have 185/70-SR14, 185/70-HR14 or 185/70-VR14.  I don't know
what the difference is between these designations or whether they will fit
on my car.  Which one of them is the best in terms of wet/dry traction?

E-mail replies are preferred.  Thanks in advance.




CC
From: subodh@informix.com (Subodh Nijsure)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Basic Audio Eqip. book.
Keywords: basic audio terms
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:02:44 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Audio Gurus,
	Can you recommend any basic Audio book which explains what diff 
musical equipment does? E.g what is a sub-woofer what does it do? Whats a
pre-amp? Why do you need it etc.?
	This book is supposed to be a present to 14 year kid who is very
much interested in audio electronics.

-Subodh ( smn@netcom.com )
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:19:47 GMT

In article <lk49akINN2h4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>neff@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Neff) writes:
 
>> (BTW, there are mechanical weight sensing proportioning valves which 
>> try to prevent this, but the ABS system actually eliminates the need 
>> for these.)

I believe that 'were' is a better word...  At least post-1988 should be 'were'
for fullsize trucks... don't know, and don't care to, about the yuppie-toys.

>A Jeep salesman told me today that most rear-wheel-only ABS systems,
>such as on the Ford Explorer and Toyota 4Runner, are not technically
>ABS systems at all, in that they don't detect lock-up or pulse the
>drums or discs.  They are merely weight sensors that reduce rear wheel
>braking when there's little weight in the back (as the nose dives),
>in order to reduce lock-up.  With a full load, the rear wheels are
>presumably less likely to skid.

most interesting... since 1989 (for certain, possibly earlier), the
undisputable king of worktrucks (Dodge) has had rear-wheel-anti-lock on all the
fullsize offerings and RamCharger.  This system does indeed use a
pulse-generator in the differential housing and does indeed pulse the rear
brakes.  I have seen mid-1980s GM trucks (K20s) with a mechanical proportioning
valve, but that was done away with in the 1988 re-design.  I avoid most Fords
like the plague, so I don't know about them...

>This info is probably worth what I paid for it.  :-)  Perhaps this is
>the "rear brake proportioning valve" that Chris Craddock mentions?
>What company makes TEVES?  BOSCH is presumably made by the W. German
>company that also makes fuel injectors.

most likely, but it's time Chris looked at some up-dated material, it's most
annoying to see information that is half-a-decade old still being spewed as
gospel...

ATE *is* Teves (Alfred Teves E????)...  yes, Bosch is Robert Bosch, of Germany
(no more West Germany...).

Walt K.






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From: appy@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Pratul.Sharma)
Subject: Buying a second hand car, HELP!!!
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:28:23 GMT

Hi folks,

I have been in US for the past three months, I am married, and have a 9month old
 kid, and I need a car in another three months time when I get my family here.

What I need is a basic 4-door car with auto-trans, cheap, low on maintainence 
costs, and low insurance.

I am not familiar with the the various models available their performance etc.
I am not familiar with the things one looks for while buying a second hand car.
and finally I am not sure if it would be wise to buy a second hand car or a new
car. 

The thing I am sure of is 1) I need a car, 2) I don't have a credit history
( only 3 months in U.S ) 3) I need loan to buy the car. and 4) I need it now !!

Any help will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks in advance,

Pratul


________________________________________________________________________
Pratul Sharma 
E-Mail: appy@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM 
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E-Mail: appy@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM 
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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 11:46:00 CET
From: <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car phones
Distribution: usa

In the UK, use of a car phone while driving is illegal. The law may be an ass,
but in this case it's a sensible one!

I am constantly amazed when I see people driving around (often at high speed
on the Autobahn (I live in Germany)) with a phone pinned to their ear. It is
quite clearly a major distraction (I have even seen some guy reading something
from a file while driving).

I am increasingly of the opinion that car phone should not work unless the
engine is off. Unfortunately that does not cope with incoming calls.

What is required is a system that uses microphones and the car hifi system
(feedback problems can be avoided - I have seen a system like this in use in
in the UK). No handset is required. The only problem is thatat traffic lights
you look like a plonker talking to yourself in the car (but it's not that
important what people think is it).

I don't think Car Phones should be banned, they are too useful (I was driving
to Strasbourg recently and lost the other guys who were driving in their cars.
If we'd had phone we could have rung each other up to find out what was going
on!). In fact I plan to get one (the remote microphone variety) when Germany
decides to price its phones sensibly and when a pan-European network is
available (can anybody tell me anything?).

Simon - no disclaimer necessary; it's common-sense! ;-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:44:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.011906.21726@u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.225328.14446@nntp.hut.fi>, k33074s@kaira.hut.fi (Micke Bergman) writes:

>> Allmost true. On the 911 Carrera (old model) Aerodynamic aids (Whale tail,
>> and air dam) decrease lift significantly.
>> For the interrested I have the numbers here.
>> 100 mph :

>  How many times can we speed up to 100mph?  How about daily driving with
>normally <40mph?  Do spoilers still work?

About 15 years ago, Garretson Enterprises funded an extensive study of
automotive aerodynamics.  Their findings were that air dams and spoilers
produced noticeable effects at speeds as low as 25 mph, providing the
driving was hard enough (autocross, etc.).

As far as how often you're up around 100 mph, the real question should be,
if you're *ever* going that fast, do you want to take a chance?  In the
heyday of my youth, I took my unmodified '67 911 up to 120 around a slight
curve on the freeway, no less.  Not a wise move.  And did that front end
ever feel light.

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