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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:46:11 GMT
From: yarvin@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: FCC Modem Tax Rumor on Compu$erve
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 580, Message 6 of 11

I don't know whether or not a modem tax is planned by the telcos'
highest decision making level.  I do know that one current research
project at Bellcore is a circuit to automatically distinguish modem
sounds from voice sounds.  It uses neural networks, and is apparently
quite reliable.

I learned about this through conversations with people in the field of
neural networks.


Norman Yarvin	yarvin@cs.yale.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:04:00 PDT
From: lauren@vortex.COM (Lauren Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: List of GTE Southern California SS7 Links
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 580, Message 2 of 11

john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) wrote:

>> Regarding SS7 links, he said GTE was working on them between their own
>> switches.  Links to PacBell would come, but he didn't know when.

> When I have mentioned GTE's lack of SS7, I have been roundly taken to
> task and told that the company does indeed have such links in place.
> Thank you for confirming that this is the baloney that I suspected it
> was.

John, as I've told you before, it isn't baloney; GTE has numerous SS7
links up and running, at least in Southern California (I don't have
info, one way or another, about Northern California).  Some of the
offices with SS7 interconnects include (and these are all carrying
regular traffic, not test links):

Granada, Pacoima, San Fernando, Sylmar, Sunland, Sepulveda, Camarillo,
Oxnard, Thousand Oaks, Quartz Hills, Lancaster, Santa Barbara.

More SS7 sites are coming up on a regular basis.  The Santa Monica STP
(Santa Monica, Mar Vista, West Los Angeles, Malibu, Topanga, etc.)  is
slated for SS7 this September.

Neither Pacific nor GTE has shown much enthusiasm toward fast action
on GTE<->PacBell SS7 links.  Both seem to be more concerned with their
own offices and with connections to the long distance carriers at this
point.


 --Lauren--
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Telephone Keypad Question
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:06:51 GMT
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 582, Message 4 of 13

I have seen many variations on the letter groupings on telephone keypads.
The most common appears to be:

	0	-		5	JKL
	1	-		6	MNO
	2	ABC		7	PRS
	3	DEF		8	TUV
	4	GHI		9	WXY

The missing letters (Q and Z) are sometimes put on the 0 or (more
commonly) the 1 key.  However, I have also seen one labelled thus:

	0	-		5	MNO
	1	ABC		6	PQR
	2	DEF		7	STU
	3	GHI		8	VWX
	4	JKL		9	YZ

And even one labelled thus:

	0	O		5	KLM
	1	I		6	NPQ
	2	ABC		7	RST
	3	DEF		8	UVW
	4	GHJ		9	XYZ

All of this highlights one thing - absolutely no keypad lettering
standardization.  In fact, the future use of vanity numbers is
something that concerns the CCITT, as vanity number use may become
more prevalent rather than less and will transcend national
boundaries.

I believe that the CCITT is currently looking at this issue (perhaps
someone in the know can confirm or deny) with a view to creating a
recommendation on keypad letter groupings and hence for the first time
an international standard.

Also, the CCITT won't necessarily adopt what is most common, but would
adopt what would appear to be most sensible and useful.  We may even
get a type of QWERTY layout to evenly spread out the commonly used
letters :-)

Of all the letter permutations I have seen, the last one (IMHO) is the
best.  It eliminates any possible confusion between 0 and O, and 1 and
I, and the rest of the letters neatly fit.  Its shortcomings include
the effective wiping out of vanity words beginning with O or I, and
the letter frequency spread is not that good (9 would get used little,
but 7 would get used often).

Can anyone suggest a loyout that has a roughly even letter-frequency
spread and minimises potential 0/O, 1/I, 2/Z confusion?


Brendan Jones	ACSnet:  brendan@otc.otca.oz.au
R&D Contractor	UUCP:  {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!brendan
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:00:40 CDT
From: acg@hermes.dlogics.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Cordless Phone Not Charging
Reply-To: acg@hermes.dlogics.com
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 594, Message 8 of 9

konstan@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu (Joe Konstan) writes:

> In TELECOM Digest V12 #578, Ang Peng Hwa writes:

>> My AT&T cordless phone is not charging and I'd appreciate any input.

> If the model you have has a "Charging" light, check to see if it
> stays on when the phone is in the base.  If not, get steel wool
> (can use other scrubbers, but steel wool works best) and clean off
> all of the contacts.

I suggest that instead of steel wool, you use a pencil eraser. This is
a little less traumatic on the metal contacts, and any residual debris
left behind won't be electrically conductive and threaten to cause
short-circuits in any electronics that might be nearby.


Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.      Internet: acg@dlogics.com
441 W. Huron          UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!acg
Chicago, IL  60610    FAX: (312) 266-4473
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 19:46:01 PDT
From: starnet!jpp@sun.UUCP (John Pettitt)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Cordless Headset Wanted
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 578, Message 3 of 15

	I am looking for a cordless telephone headset, either in the
either in the form of a complete phone or as a handset replacement for
an existing unit.

Any suggestions?


John Pettitt	  Mail: jpp@StarConn.com    Fax: +1 415 949 2037
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 9:48:37 EDT
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL.MIL>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: NN0 Prefixes (was Telephone Keypad Question)
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 586, Message 9 of 11

In some areas, NN0 prefixes might not be used until the area gets
rather full.  This is beyond the scope of what history.of.area.splits
covers (it is limited to the implementation of N0X/N1X and to splits).
For example, before N0X/N1X came to the DC area (also affecting the
calling instructions throughout 301/703 before the 301/410 split), I
saw several NN0 prefixes in the Maryland and Virginia suburbs.  Until
October 1990, there was seven-digit local calling among DC/MD
suburbs/VA suburbs, so if you needed a new suburban prefix, you had to
consider your own area code (301 or 703) along with a bit chunk of
prefixes in DC and in suburbs beyond the Potomac.

The history.of.area.splits includes the suggestion (NOT originating
with me) that some sparsely-populated area codes could, when area
codes become NXX form, hang on to 1 + 7D intra-NPA long-distance by
disallowing NN0 prefixes, since the first batch of NNX area codes are
to be of form NN0.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:27:21 CDT
From: lelam%kuwait@Sun.COM (Len E. Elam)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: ANI Information Included in Telephone Bill
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 577, Message 7 of 13

The following was included in my last phone bill:

        Southwestern Bell               Account Number 817 XXX XXXX XXX
        Telephone                       July 9, 1991
                                        Detail of Charges      PAGE 4

                       AUTOMATIC NUMBER IDENTIFICATION
When an 800 or 900 number is dialed from your telephone, your telephone
number may be transmitted to the company you have called and may be
available to that company's service representative before your call is 
answered.
                           -------------

I have to wonder what prompted this.  Maybe someone at Southwestern
Bell reads this newsgroup.  Maybe not.  Could it be that someone at
Southwestern Bell is making an attempt to address customer concerns
about privacy? :)


Who Am I?: Len E. Elam      Email:     central.sun.com!gdfwc3!lelam
Disclamer: I speak only for myself.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 00:10:32 EDT
From: hsilbiger@attmail.att.com (Herman R Silbiger)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: St.Pierre and Miquelon
Organization: AT&T
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 584, Message 9 of 9

>> From Guadelope, numbers in St.Barthelems and St. Martin (both French
>> and Dutch parts) of the form 3##### can be dialed direct.

> The Information that I have says that Guadeloupe, St. Barthelemy, and
> St. Martin have the same country code +590.  To call St. Maarten
> (Dutch part, country code +599-5) from +590 land you simply dial 3.

St. Maarten has the country code 5995.  St. Martin has the country
code 596.


Herman Silbiger
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:32:32 BST
From: Bill Berbenich <bill@eedsp.gatech.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Advice Needed: Dialback Management
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 576, Message 5 of 11

One reason that our Moderator's plan may not work is because the
switch may take the initial hook-flash to be a rotary-dialed '1' if
there is no hacker or anyone else waiting on the line.  When I had
three-way calling, that was what would happen if I did a hook-flash
with nobody on the line yet.  It may be that either my (cheapie) phone
or my switch at that time did not adhere to the standards for
hook-flash duration and rotary pulse sensing.  Anyone know better?


Bill 


[Moderator's Note: After the ADTD! pause, then you tell the modem to 'wait
for new dial tone' and abandon the attempt if it doesn't hear one.  PAT]
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:14:57 EDT
From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 1-800-ATF-GUNS and Anonymity
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 578, Message 13 of 15

In article <telecom12.570.7@eecs.nwu.edu> andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy
Sherman) writes:

> In article 8@eecs.nwu.edu, vk2bea!michael@arinc.com (Michael G.
> Katzmann) writes:

>  (description of government run tip hotline deleted)

>> It says call 1-800-ATF-GUNS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME.

> Do remember that *can have* ANI delivery is not the same as *has* ANI
> delivery.  Unfortunately, you can't know for sure.

In this case you can be sure, the BATF does indeed have ANI.  This is
documented in The Machine Gun Dealer's Bible."


Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:29:00 +0100
From: rickie@trickie.uucp (Richard Nash)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Is Not 100% SS7 Needed For 1-800 and the Like?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 597, Message 6 of 10

In article <telecom12.576.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, john@zygot.ati.com (John
Higdon) writes:

>>> Regarding SS7 links, he said GTE was working on them between their own
>>> switches.  Links to PacBell would come, but he didn't know when.

> Please correct me, if I am wrong ... no scratch that, reading the
> above, it *does* seem that I *am* wrong ...

> I was under the impression that 1-800 like services could not be
> implemented really well without the something like SS7. Are we reading
> in the above that there is not yet 100% SS7 interconnects in the US.

> IS it that 1-800, ANI and caller-ID are being done by someother
> means (I'd have to do some learning here then.) or is it that the LD
> carrier do use SS7, and only that some local links are not yet ?

The 1-800 service does not require 100% SS7.  For this service, only a
SS7 link from the switch that is required to translate the 800 number
back into a regular phone number, to a database is required.  This
translation is performed at a switch that will record billing info.
This link can be used to interconnect to other switches for other
purposes also.  Physically, the link from the switch connects to a
messaging relay switch called a Signal Transfer Point (STP).  The STP
will decide where to route the message.  Even though the switch your
phone connects into may not have SS7, the 1-800 route will connect
into a switch that can service these types of calls. They are called
Service Switching Points (SSP).


Richard Nash     	Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6K 0E8
UUCP:                   trickie!rickie@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Amatuer Radio Packet:   VE6BON @ VE6MC.AB.CAN.NA 
			VE6BON.ampr.org [44.135.147.206]
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Pac*Bell CLASS Features
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
Organization: Green Hills and Cows
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 592, Message 1 of 15

mtxinu!sybase!pokey!nealg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Neal Goldsmith) writes:

> When I asked about CLID I was told that Pac*Bell didn't have the
> technology yet. I didn't have the time or desire to explain to the
> person at Pac*Bell that it's the same stuff and they are already ready
> to provide it, they just don't want to right now.

It is a bit more complex than "they just don't want to right now".
Even when Pac*Bell decides that it will go ahead with CLID there are
some conditions that the CPUC has imposed. The most significant of
which is the requirement to "educate" the public concerning the
ramifications of the service to all customers. This will require
approximately a six-month media campaign to be completed before the
first of the service is activated.

As you know, GTE has decided not to play at all and will not be
offering CLID now or in the future. It is also questionable whether
the company will even offer any of the other features.


        John Higdon         |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115
    john@zygot.ati.com      | San Jose, CA 95150 |       M o o !
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:01:58 +0200
From: alfredo@quickt2.it12.bull.it (Alfredo Cotroneo)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: More Rings Wanted Before Fax Answers
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 596, Message 12 of 13

Hi there from Milano, Italy.

A friend of mine is the proud owner of a brand new integrated fax +
phone + answering machine made by Panasonic (I do not know the model).
He has also other three phones connected in parallel to the same phone
line. The Panasonic is set so that if no human answers the phone(s)
after the first four rings, the machine picks up the call and after
determining if te call is voice or fax it either switches the fax or
the built in answering machine accordingly.

Often when he is in the garden or in some other remote parts of the
house, four rings are too much of a short time to pick up the phone
before the fax/answering machine automatically answers. Since the
maximum number of rings which may be set on the Panasonic (as with
other similiar systems) before it answers the line automatically is
four, we are wondering whether some simple device exists or can be
built in order to increase this number of rings.

Pleas email any suggestion directly to me, and I will be glad to
summarize if there is interest. Thanks.


Alfredo E. Cotroneo, Milano, Italy
email: alfredo@quickt2.it12.bull.it or 100020.1013@compuserve.com
CSI: 100020,1013
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:48:33 BST
From: eeitecs@eeiuc.ericsson.se (Terence Cross)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: FCC Modem Tax Rumor on Compu$erve
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 595, Message 9 of 14

Modems are currently detected by a 2100Hz tone.  This indicates that
echo cancellers, which can corrupt data, are to be disabled and that
no temporary disconnection/reconnection, which can cause a click on
the line, is to take place.  It may also turn off compression devices.

Without this 2100Hz data can be corrupted.  So why, as suugested by a
previous posting, the need for a expensive neural net to detect
modems.

Wouldn't it be alot cheaper to corrupt any data (not voice) on a line
that didn't signal itself to be a modem, thus forcing modems to
identify themselves?


Regards,

Terence Cross.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:38:06 -0400
From: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (James Joseph)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Solicitations - MCI
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acf5!khan@cmcl2.NYU.EDU (HasnainKhan) writes:

> I didn't in anyway indicate that I wanted to switch, and explicitly
> said "No".

> Lo, Behold, they switched my parents, and billed with my name
> (mispelled of course).

I had exactly the opposite experience.  I called MCI and wanted to
sign up for "Friends and Family", and "Reach Out World" (or whatever
is the MCI eqivalent of it).  The person I talked to got a list of my
Friends and Family, and all other information and told me that I will
be receiving a "Welcome to MCI" package within two weeks, and that the
dial-1 carrier will be switched sometime around the same period of
time.

That was on June 5th -- about two months back.  I am yet to receive
the welcome kit, and ATT is still my dial-1 carrier.  May be I should
call New York Telephone and instruct them not to switch me to MCI if
they asked them to.  How can I expect any reasonable service from a
company who cannot even sign up a willing potential customer?


james joseph    joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com


[Moderator's Note: You may be over-reacting a little. I'd suggest
calling again and see if there is some problem. It could be through
human error or a computer glitch that your order got lost. I've seen
it happen at AT&T also.   PAT]
From: HOLDREGE+_MP%A1%PacifiCare@mcimail.com (HOLDREGE_MP)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: GTE and/or ALLNET Pull a Fast One
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:19:00 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 589, Message 1 of 15

I have been a residential customer of GTE for about six months now and
I have had no complaints other than the high intra-lata rates. I
thought that the GTE horror stories were bad things that happened to
other people. Well I just got a taste of how bad it can be.

GTE switched my long-distance carrier from AT&T to ALLNET. I have
never heard of ALLNET and I am sure that I did not authorize this. I
am deeply grateful to AT&T for immediately sending me a notice that
this had happened. I had just received my GTE bill so I would not have
noticed the change until a month later. Then I would have found that
all my LD calls were billed at an exhorbitant rate by ALLNET. Pretty
sneaky if you ask me.

But thanks to AT&T's letter I found out only a few days after the
change. I made a couple of LD calls before then and I won't find out
how much they billed me until next months bill. I authorized AT&T to
change me back. AT&T said that GTE would bill me about $4 for the
switch but AT&T would give me coupons for reimbursement.

I read the letter from AT&T at 6pm Friday evening. Since GTE is closed
on weekends I had to stew till Monday morning to vent my fury. When I
finally got through to GTE's order center (over 10 minutes on hold)
they said that I had been switched to ALLNET but they could not say
why. They said that they could investigate this and I urged them to do
so. They also said that ALLNET sends them magtapes with changes
created by their "Automated Calling Program" which calls people and
registers their answer as acceptance or denial. I never accepted
anything and I always hang up on automated telemarketing systems. I
thought that they were illegal now anyway.

GTE said that they would waive the surcharge for switching me back to
AT&T (how nice) and that I could call them next month to complain
about the ALLNET charges. They said that it would take five business
days for the change to take place. I guess that I will have to dial
102281 till then.


Matt Holdrege  5156065@mcimail.com  holdrege@eisner.decus.org
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:24:51 GMT
From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: FCC Modem Tax Rumor on Compu$erve
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia
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disk!tony@uunet.UU.NET (tony) writes:

> service.  I guess I have mixed feelings about government involvement
> in telecommunications because on one hand I would like to see more
> government involvement, but I say this only if it is going to make
> more information available to me at less cost, not less information at
> more cost.

You should also be thinking about WHAT information will be made
available, rather than just "how much" of it.  A monopolist provider
of information will be able to select, and let flow, only that info
which supports/does not hinder its purposes; but if there are many,
independent suppliers in free competition, you WILL be able to get
access to much more variety (not necessarily cheaply, if information
of a given sort is costly to produce/gather and only has few
customers; but the mechanisms determining this will be more economic
than political).


Email: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org                   Phone: ++39 (51) 6130360
CAD.LAB s.p.a., v. Ronzani 7/29, Casalecchio, Italia   Fax: ++39 (51) 6130294