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In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:

> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> 
> >In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
> 
> >> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
> >> 
> >> Publicity for a product only works if people have any propensity at all
> >> for desiring the product.  If they couldn't care less about the product
> >> you could hype it from now til Doomsday on every available media channel
> >> and still not sell one bit of it.  The sale of Clinton/Gore books, given
> >> the incredibly wide media coverage those two dipper-heads have been 
> >> getting, may be a very good indication that the polls are not polling
> >> what the pollsters think they are.  
> 
> 
> >What a crock.  Just because people do not want to read their books does
> >not mean that they will not vote for them.  Your conclusion is
> >totally unsupported by your premise.
> 
> I realized liberals weren't intellectually capable by definition, but 
> please try not to perpetuate the stereotype so blatantly.

Again you are wrong.  I am not a liberal.

>  My statement
> above was a CONJECTURE not a conclusion.

Your conjecture contains a conclusion.  I am sorry this is a fact you
do not seem to understand.

>  For those of you in Rio Linda,
> the word "may" means "this could be true, we will have to wait and see
> whether or not events bear this out".

Yes, and I merely point out that you are wrong.  It is self evident that
you are wrong regardless of the outcome of the election.  Most
people in the country probably do not read as a passtime at all.

Most people that vote for any candidate are unlikely to have read anything
written by that candidate.


> "May" is a conditional, it does not
> describe a state of being.  If I had said "..., _is_ a very good indication
> that the polls (etc.)" THEN I would have been drawing a conclusion.  

You are picking inimportant nits.  Your speculation was ridiculous.  I
merely pointed that out.

> 
> You are, of course, inadvertantly describing Clinton/Gore supporters when
> you point out that people who do not want to read their book may still 
> vote for them.  

Not at all.  I am just saying that I do not think most people base
their votes on READING, regardless of whether they are conservative
or liberal.


>I find liberals generally stay as far away from nasty
> evidence of their stupidity as possible - thus, I would suspect the
> great majority of Clinton/Gore supporters will stay away from Clinton/Gore's
> books/ideas/etc.

I wouldn't know.  I really have no plans to vote for Clinton.

> 
> >> It certainly demonstrates that Rush's
> >> conservative audience is a lot more interested in educating themselves
> >> about the people they hear on media channels than are the liberals who
> >> follow a deFlowered Clinton and the Gour(d) Head.
> 
> >Don't fool yourself.  A lot of the people that bought this book are
> >probably what Rush would call liberal.  Many people read Mein Kampf
> >and the Communist Manifesto without adopting or agreeing with the
> >ideas therein.  Rush's huge book sales are most likely a function
> >of his controversy and highly visible entertainment posture.
> >The fact that his books are selling does not necessarily indicate
> >agreement with or validity in his ideas.
> 
> Certainly true.  But it does mean people are more interested in reading his
> ideas than the Gourd Head's.  That is why Rush's book is number 1.

Yes, but they may not be reading it because they admire the man.

> >As I said, I may read the book, and I think the man is a buffoon.
> 
> Well, I hope you do manage to read his book one day.  Of course, you
> still have a lot of "Hooked on Phonics" tapes to get through, but with
> hard work and dedication you'll eventually graduate from basal readers
> and Gore's fairy tales.  We're all rooting for you, Doug. 

It isn't really clear what you are trying to accomplish here.  I
would venture to say that my ability to use the language and to
understand arguments and ferret out truth is at LEAST equal to yours.

What is more, I do not submerge myself in hero worship.  I think that
Clinton is a detestable and pandering political droid.  I think that
Rush is a detestable and pandering political droid.  I know that
it will be very inconvenient to your ideology to find out that I am
not a supporter of Bill Clinton even though I may occasionally defend
him.  I have disliked Clinton from the very first.  

Hooked on Phonics?  Ah, you amuse me.  These insults are irrelevant to me.
But it is amusing to read them.  I am glad to know that there
are such numinous fellows as yourself cheering me on in my struggle
for linguistic and literary achievment.  One day I will dedicate
a book to you, my faithful and fearless supporters.  I owe you
a debt I cannot repay.  Perhaps one day I will be able to entertain
you for a brief and shining moment in person.  You are a noble fellow.
You are deliquescent and precious.  I would not trade you for the
world. 

doug
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