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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Asking marks
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:56:14 GMT

In <BuL11s.By0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>Were Sapphire and Dusty an item, or just friends?

The ramifications of the first option are mind-boggling. Please, no
one suggest this to PWI's Eddie Ellner!


>Why do the Bushwhackers lick each other?

I'm not sure if I *want* to know the answer to that one!

Michael
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
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Subject: <None>
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:50:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

BE>Any ideas?  Wathcing my tape of the USWA for 8/29--Lawler and Jeff
  >Jarret spoke of the WWF then there was a 5 minute tape of Jimme Hart running
  >down the USWA--then for Monday it is annunced Lawler/Jarret VS.
  >The Orient Express with mr. Fuji in Memphis??? Ideas, rumors etc??

The WWF and The USWA have formed a working agreement.  Titan will supply
lower grade guys for USWA cards and the USWA will kind of work as a
minor league for Titan, among other things.
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Apology
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson) says:

>	I wish to apologize for my question asked the other day.
>	I am new to this group (ie since the last FAQ posting.)
>	Someone was kind enough to send this FAQ to me, so i have the
>information i need.
>	I understand that the question was unneccesary and irritating.

There is no need to apologize.  Since the FAQ hadn't been posted
recently, you had no way to know the frequency that question is asked.
Unfortunately, because the question is asked often, it also tends to
provoke many joking replies.

Welcome...

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: RSPW Weekly Ratings
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:35:06 GMT
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Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <ventura.716271576@camelot> ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
>This is the first installment of Wawczak's RSPW Weekly Ratings:

According to who? Are these just your personal opinions or are
you compiling results from readers of RSPW?

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From: mb20@prism.gatech.EDU (BRANCH,MICHAEL B)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Terry Taylor
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:40:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <2407.137.uupcb@ssr.com> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) writes:
>
>From what I have heard and read, Taylor was let go becuase his character
>was so stale and he was really just a glorified jobber.  Watts is open
>to binging him back down the road, as a fresh new character.  There is

    An addition to the Taylor situation, this past Sunday I noticed
    him listed in the newspaper here in Atlanta to be appearing at
    some autograph show along with Johnny B. Badd. So, unless this
    set up is totally indie, obviously he's still a part of WCW in 
    some form or another.
        
    Someone at WCW is actually working alot with the newspaper(sic) 
    here. I've seen several mentions of wrestlers and in fact today's
    issue has a story about Simmons and the recent Clash. (I haven't read it
    yet). Also, the paper mentioned that, as I posted earlier, Vader
    broke his wrist. (And watching the replay, it looked awful...).

  
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From: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price)
Subject: Re: Vince on Late Night
Reply-To: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Particle Physics Research Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:00:01 GMT

In article <ventura.715650886@camelot>, ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
>The one comment that I do remember is Dave saying something to the effect of,
>"Where the hell did we get this guy?"-of course, speaking about McMahon.

The one I remember is David repeatedly asking Vince "is that your own tux?"

	Just another bit o'nostalgia from the Johnster.

           John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
           Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Vertigo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Video Trade
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:17:09 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


   If anyone wants to trade videos, e-mail me and we'll talk.
I don't have a really extensive collection, but some things
might interest some of the smaller collector's.  Some of my
better tapes are:

The Best Of Starrcade

Great American Bash '86

A Canadian Wrestling tape with some Road Warrior matches and
interviews, Garvin brother matches, Masked Superstar match and
interview, etc.

About three and a half hours of NWA/UWF wrestling from the
period just before and just after Starrcade '87.




	These are all available on videotape except for the
last one, and I don't want to imply that this is a stupendous
offer.  If you are interested in these (or most other marketed
wrestling tapes and PPV's) contact me and I'll give you specifics.  


        
						David Worrell

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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
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Subject: Re: Japanese wrestling in
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:39:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

PGBF>Glad to hear Misawa won the belts, I've been waiting for it to happen.

    >Dominic Macika

Dom,
I watched the match and it appeared to me that Misawa was still in
serious pain.  He did not do all of his spots and had he been 100% he
would have really put out in this match.  But still, he showed great
grit and determination even working.
---
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Flair, Hogan, WWF, NWA, e
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:44:52 GMT

In article <Bu81HD.54K@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cadesjar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
> I was watching an old Hogan match at Herb's place the other day, and
> yes folks, the Hulkster *wrestled* (granted, this was in 81 or 82 just
> before his WWF stint). I saw suplexes, leg sweeps, mat wrestling, and a
> step-over armbar takedown that Herb swears Hogan taught to Steamboat.
> (Hogan teaching *anyone* how to wrestle? Unheard of!)

  There's no smiley there, so I just better explain that I was joking.
  
> In that match alone, Hogan showed more moves than I saw in his whole
> WWF career, which lends more proof to the fact that wrestlers remember
> fewer moves when they enter the Whiff. I say to let Hogan stay in Japan
> where he's able to get away with wrestling (except of course his match
> with Yatsu, where he was laughed out of the arena for attempting the
> mat wrestling he has shown to be once capable of).

  The large majority of the guys in Japan either work in their matches
  or they don't get brought in for another tour.  In the Hogan-Inoki
  match for the IWGP Title that Curtis mentions, Hogan honestly did
  work very hard.  However, after years of WWF atrophy, when Hogan 
  again tried to work a good match with Yoshiaki Yatsu, the crowd
  was reaction was different.  In that match, he also did that nifty
  armbar takedown and the crowd laughed at it, thinking the match was
  comedy.   

  Still, it's quite startling to see Hogan do moves like this and the
  crowd react favourably.  I have some trouble stomaching it after the
  last 10 years of WWF tripe.  The other amazing thing Curtis and I
  agreed on was how badly the last 10 years have hurt Andre.  In matches
  from 10 years back, he would chase his opponents out of the ring, 
  around ringside, and back in.  He'd do dropkicks, legdrops, and
  splashes, take whips to the corners, and even did a "360-job" from
  a Hogan clothesline (over the top rope to the floor).  

                                                              Herb... 
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Asking marks
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:28:40 GMT

In <1992Sep15.203109.21439@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:

>For the mark in me: We were all told that Flair and Co's "Plan A"
>failed, yet what was "Plan A" supposed to accomplish? Ric wasn't
>even in the match, so how could "Plan A" have gotten him the Belt?
>Soften up RS or UW for a *future* championship match with Flair?
>If this is the case, then "Plan A" did *indeed* work, hence, no need
>for a "Plan B", which is supposed to be the plan that brought Ric
>the championship. I guess my question then is: What was "Plan B" then?

Actually, I think this was all supposed to be ironic. It was *Vince
McMahem's* Plan A that didn't work (Warrior winning the belt from
Savage) so Vince turned to Plan B (Flair winning the belt from Savage
and eventualy dropping it, one would suppose, to the Warrior).

As I've said before, Vince's motto for 1992 has been "Make it up as
you go along...."

It almost makes you wish he has a stable 1993....

>Also: Do the Good and Bad Wrestlers fight with each other then
>      they travel together by plane?

No...they just drink beer and do drugs, a la Jim Duggan and Iron Sheik
in New Jersey a few years go. :)

Mike
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:08:17 -0400 
From: Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Flair wins WWF belt



In Hershey, PA, the greatest wrestler of all time, "Nature Boy" Ric
Flair, defeated Randy Savage for the WWF title.  This match took place
on either the Monday or Tuesday after SummerSlam.
From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Chris Von Erich
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:16:31 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:

> Could someone tell me how Chris died?  I saw that he was dead in the relation
> posting.  This family is cursed.  Chris was the youngest brother, wasn't he?
 
Bullet to the temple.
 
--Don

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From: jmp14@finch.cs.uofs.edu (John M Petren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   09/03
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:12:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <Bu0B9x.4zs@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:

|>  - Ric Flair defeated Randy Savage to become the WWF World champ for
|>    the second time on Tuesday night in Hershey, Pa.  They played up
|>    Savage's injury from SummerSlam as one might expect and there was
|>    lots of controversy (at least, lots of things for Vince to yell
|>    about while commentating).  Savage "had Flair beat" with a Boston
|>    Crab, but Heenan came in the ring and made the save.  Savage got
|>    dumped to the outside, where Razor Ramon made a surprise appearance
|>    to work on Savage's knee.  Once back in the ring, Savage was put
|>    in the Figure Four by Flair, eventually collapsing from the pain
|>    and getting pinned.  This seems to set up Savage vs. Ramon and
|>    Flair vs. Warrior.  

     Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to give the title back to Flair. 
     I'm thrilled to see Flair as champ again (and was upset that this wasn't
     the main event at SS), but in WCW, Flair always seemed to cleanly win back
     the belt.  

     I guess this means that, for the second time, Savage's drawing power as 
     champ is next to nothing.  IMHO, I would rather go to a house show hoping 
     to see Flair lose the title than to see Savage keep it.  Maybe Vince 
     realizes the same thing.

     Since the belt was not given to UW, and now with Flair as champ, it seems
     clear to me that Savage is retiring, and HH will reappear sometime soon, in
     time for WMIX.

     About the house shows, Savage v. Ramon has been signed, and will come to MSG
     this weekend.  On the same card is Flair v. Undertaker.  Hmm.. will this be
     a title match now?  Anyone, anyone...  Savage v. Ramon is being "billed" as
     "Macho" v. "Machismo".  Yawn!


					John Petren
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Steiners vs. Arn & Bobby on TBS
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  5 Sep 92 23:09:22 GMT

Just finished watching this main event match on WCW Saturday Night. I thought  
it was the best all-around match I've seen in WCW since Watts took over. They
wrestled, they brawled, they were all over the Center Stage. The heat was prettydarn good, and I thought this was the first crowd that actually seemed     
"re-educated" to Watts' brand of wrestling (i.e. no "boring" chants when Arn
and Bobby were working over Scott's injured arm with armbars, etc.).

Jim Ross also did a great job in playing up Scott's injury and how much of an
upset win this was for Arn & Bobby. Whether they're leaving or not, it's nice
to see the Steiners job once and a while...just for the simple fact that it
makes them more believable, and because of that, I believe *even more*
popular than they already are.

All in all, it was a great match, and Bobby's "Alabama Jam" on Rick to end it
was pretty amazing (he jumped 2/3 of the way across the ring). I just
wished I had taped it... 
 
--
ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
 
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From: kklai@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Betty Boop)
Subject: Re: Flair, Hogan, WWF, NWA, e
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:47:58 GMT

In article <Bu8CIs.JC8@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>In article <Bu81HD.54K@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cadesjar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
>> I was watching an old Hogan match at Herb's place the other day, and
>> yes folks, the Hulkster *wrestled* (granted, this was in 81 or 82 just
>> before his WWF stint). I saw suplexes, leg sweeps, mat wrestling, and a
>> step-over armbar takedown that Herb swears Hogan taught to Steamboat.
>> (Hogan teaching *anyone* how to wrestle? Unheard of!)
>
>  There's no smiley there, so I just better explain that I was joking.
  
You were?? Pah!  Liar!   ;-) ;-) ;-)
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
                        (see? smileys this time!)

>  Still, it's quite startling to see Hogan do moves like this and the
>  crowd react favourably.  I have some trouble stomaching it after the
>  last 10 years of WWF tripe.  The other amazing thing Curtis and I
>  agreed on was how badly the last 10 years have hurt Andre.  In matches
>  from 10 years back, he would chase his opponents out of the ring, 
>  around ringside, and back in.  He'd do dropkicks, legdrops, and
>  splashes, take whips to the corners, and even did a "360-job" from
>  a Hogan clothesline (over the top rope to the floor).  

Try imagining the Andre that I saw leaping from the 2nd ropes onto a
prone Killer Khan (maybe Khan?) with a headbutt. *That's* a scary thought.

========================= Fluffy the Wonder Bunny ============================
 "Whether you like it, or you don't like it, learn to love it cause its 
  the best thing going today! Wooooooooooooooo!"  
    	 - Slick Ric, once again the REAL World's Heavyweight Champion (Wooo!)
================== cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu =======================
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Please, no more Re: Predi
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:53:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

WO>I can't believe people still think Flair will win back the title.  The only
  >reason he won it before was because Flairs NWA belt was given back, and

Guess who won the WWF Title on 9\1 in Hershey, Pa?  Yup.  Flair.

  >Flair the WWF title so they can get rid of the old belt.  Flair was NEVER
  >supposed to get the title in the first place.

Wrong.

WO>Mr. Perfect has showed us time and time again that he's ready to become a
  >full time wrestler.  He's already pummeling people and looks like he's in
  >no pain.  Get him back in the ring.

There is a matter of a large insurance settlement to deal with though.
Hennig was paid off because of a career ending injury, a claim that
would be invalidated were he to resume his career.
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Two Questions...
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:49:09 EDT

In article <1992Sep14.092715.23442@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will) writes:
 
>I think that should be the other way around -- they asked Farris
>to be Brutus Beefcake, but he was busy and they ended up with Ed
>Leslie.  Farris was using the "Honkytonk" name before he went to
>the WWF.
 
Oops.  You're right, of course.  Is it Ferris or Farris?
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: [WCW] Steiners vs Arn and Bobby on 9/5 TBS Main Event
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 01: 03:43 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:03:43 GMT
Received-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 01: 03:46 CDT



I just finished watching my tape of this Saturday's TBS Main
Event (9/5/92).

How far in advance are these things taped?  I was under the 
impression that they were taped anywhere from three to six
weeks in advance.

First of all, I commend them for getting tape of Wednesday's
Clash for the show.  That's even better than last time when 
they got clips ready in a week.

I realize that the bits without the crowd (where it's just
Jim Ross and someone talking) are probably taped a day or two
before the show actually airs, but what I'm really wondering
is how long ago the Steiners vs AA&BB match (the final
match on tonight's show) was taped.

The reason I'm asking is because when they came back from
the commercial break (in the middle of the match--like they
used to do all the time), we see Jim Ross sitting ringside
behind the guard rail in front of a monitor doing the
commentary.  This is the same commentary that we are hearing,
as his lips are matching the words.  This isn't all that
strange (other than it seems to be away from the norm over
the last few years, where they've been dubbing over commentary
at a later date, and now even dubbing over different 
commentary for three different shows), except that Ross
mentioned during this match that the top rope rule had been 
nuked at a 88% to 12% vote during the Clash.  Where these
numbers pre-determined (and they didn't even tally any calls
they got during the Clash), was this (Steiners vs AA&BB)
match taped AFTER the Clash (Rick Duggan should be able to
refute this second "if"), or were PARTS of Jim Ross's
comments dubbed in AFTER the Clash (though I didn't notice
anything differnt about his voice).

The first choice I might believe.  The second I would find
hard to believe.  The third I find improbable.

Another comment Ross made (though I don't remember if it
was made during this match or if it was earlier in the show)
is that 4,000,000 people watched the Clash last Wednesday.
This number I'd assume is NOT made up, so I assume that this
was made AFTER the Clash.  

But then again, Ross was bitching about Bobby coming off the
top rope with the Alabama Jam in the last match, so I 
assume that the match was taped before the Clash.

I'm getting more and more confused...

		--Otto "Van Hacker" Heuer
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Flair, Hogan, WWF, NWA
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:36:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:

>In Hogan's first WWF stint (1979-81), he was pinned by Andre, Tony
>Atlas, Bob Backlund and others.  In Japan, he was pinned by Antonio
>Inoki, Stan Hansen, Dusty Rhodes, Backlund and others as well.  And
>should we even consider the countless jobs Hogan did everywhere else 
>before he got a swelled head and stopped jobbing for anyone?

I really like the idea of Hogan being pinned by Dusty.  I wish
WCW could get the rights to show this!  Is this match easy to find?
Is it as slow-moving as one would expect?

Tom
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: RSPW Weekly Ratings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:30:41 GMT

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:

>In <12854@operator> oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:

>>In article <ventura.716271576@camelot> ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
>>>This is the first installment of Wawczak's RSPW Weekly Ratings:

>>According to who? Are these just your personal opinions or are
>>you compiling results from readers of RSPW?

>These ratings are my personal opinions. I would be happy to change the format
>and let the ratings be based on rspw reader input, but it seems that there is
>a prevailing attitude of egotism on this group.
Nobody ever even invited my input.  <sob, sob, sound of grown
man crying, and blowing his nose>
 
>Many people feel that they are
>too good to participate in this kind of stuff or that it is wasting net
>bandwidth,
I think having an informal poll of people's favorites is a good idea,
if someone's willing to do the grunt work of tallying votes.

>while the fact of the matter is that the traffic on rspw is down
>about 75% from what it was last year.
Maybe we need a few new flame wars. :)  :)
 
>Until I feel like changing my mind, 
>the ratings will be a weekly post based on my own personal opinions 
>of the weekly syndicated shows.
Hence your name in the title.


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