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From: borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert)
Subject: PC X term emulators (free)
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:17:20 GMT

I assume there are no free X term emulators on the internet.  Are my 
choices only DESQview/X and Hummingbird for the PC?  Wouldn't a used Sun 3/50 
or 3/60 make a cheaper X term for a company than a 386+ PC with ethernet
card and X term software?

Thanks,
Chris Borchert
borchert@CS.MsState.Edu


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: Where does SIGUSR1 come from?
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:34:59 GMT

In article <#trn==m.cyclone@netcom.com>, cyclone@netcom.com (Bill Sheppard) writes:

> I recently compiled xfishtank from export...one of the command line
> options is '-s' for secure mode toggle.  When started in this mode
> the fishtank covers all windows rather than being a background.
> According to the source code the window will go to the background
> upon receiving SIGUSR1.  What event will cause SIGUSR1?

SIGUSR1 is generated only when some process uses the kill() syscall (or
related ones, like killpg()) to send it.  Most shells provide a "kill"
command that does this.

> I assume it is some sort of mouse or keyboard action, but there is no
> other reference to it in the source code except as part of the signal
> handler.

Unless you have an extremely unusual system, you'll have to log in to
that machine over the network and send the signal manually.  This would
typically be done by using ps to find the PID of the xfishtank process
and then using the kill command to send the signal.  If the PID is
1234, for example, "kill -USR1 1234" would be appropriate.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xmkmf for HP
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

I'm trying to port some stuff to HP 700's and finding that they don't
seem to have much of X11 available. Does anyone have an xmkmf program
for HP running the HP X distribution which I could use for a starter?
-- 
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    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16676 comp.human-factors:2215
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
Subject: Re: Scrollbars (was Re: GUIs Considered Harmful)
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:37:40 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

> I rather like the xterm/xman scrollbar behaviour, now that
> I've figured out how to work it -- Clicking/dragging button 2
> does the same thing described above, clicking button 1 pushes
> the line next to the pointer to the top of the screen, and clicking
> button 3 pulls the top line down next to the pointer.  Very handy.
> The bindings are a little weird (I would have swapped the button1/button2
> actions; it seems a bit more intuitive that ``move the thumb here''
> is the primary action and should be bound to the primary button),
> and the entire thumb can scroll off the bottom, but other than that
> it works well.

The thing that keeps me away from Xterms is teh scrollbar. It is horrific. Yuck
> 
> |> [...] and the
> |> buttons at the ends of the scrollbar are in pairs so if you miss and
> |> have to back up, you just move 1/8 inch, not all the way to the other
> |> end of the bar.
> 
> Agreed!  When I first saw a picture of the NeXT UI this was the
> first thing that jumped out at me.  Why didn't anyone else 
> think of that?  It's much more sensible than the Mac/Motif layout,
> and let's not even *mention* the horrifying things OpenLook 
> ``elevators'' do...

Never seen a NeXT, but it does sound like a good idea. But then again the
OpenLook `elevators' are a good idea too. Non proportional scrollbars are
*shite* though. 

> --Joe English
> 
>   joe@trystero.art.com
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Trouble setting Athena menu resources
Originator: marc@hemlock
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:27:25 CDT


Hi People,

I have an application written with Wcl which uses Athena widgets.  I have a
menu which I set up with a number of SmeBSBs: but for the first, none has
a label or callback set -- the aim is to fill in these values when the
application is run, according to the contents of a .xxxrc file.  

So I read the file and use its contents to set the 'label' resource for the 
SmeBSB and make sure the 'sensitive' resource is True.  I also add a callback
for the SmeBSB widget.  The remaining SmeBSBs (for which there were no .xxxrc 
file entries) are given the label "not defnied" and are set insensitive.  The 
setting of these resource is done with XtSetValues.  The problem: none of the 
resources seems to be set!

Is there a problem with Athena menus whereby they cannot be altered `on the
fly'?  I even tried creating the widgets dynamically with XtCreateManagedWidget
and attempted to hang them from the SimpleMenu widget, also without success.

I can't see that I'm doing anything wrong: my code looks perfectly fine.
Can anyone shed any light please?

Cheers,

[M][a][r][c]
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Saturday, 5 Sep 1992 16:48:02 EDT
From: <CHANGJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: soundtool for Sparc station?

Can anybody tell me where I can find MIT X11 based soudtool for Sun Sparc
stations? We don't have xview library. Thanks.
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16374 comp.human-factors:2142
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:28:21 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1992Sep8.211314.23372@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
>I am not arguing with their findings.  I am saying merely that it *is*
>slower _for_me_.  Or are you trying to say that my time-sense is so out
>of whack that I merely *think* I'm typing 10 to 20 cps?  Or perhaps
>that I merely *think* that I can't make a mouse selection in .05 to .1
>second?

Hold on, folks.  Are you comparing things at the same level?  Sure, you can
type at 100 wpm =~ 10 cps.  But a command line is typically around 10-20
characters, so it takes 1-2 seconds to enter a command.  In a GUI, a
command is often just a click followed by a menu or palette seletion, which
Apple claims took their subjects 1-2 seconds.

Your comparison might be reasonable if people were entering running text
using the mouse, but even the most devoted GUI afficionados agree that a
keyboard is necessary for a word processor.

100 wpm is a reasonably proficient typist, but the learning curve necessary
to be able to select menu item in two seconds may be pretty short.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: mohit@bristol.com (Mohit Sharma)
Subject: Unable to get double Click Events
Organization: Bristol Technology Inc., Ridgefield, CT, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:02:09 GMT

Hi Netters

I have been really frustrated by this problem and will appreciate any 
response from anyone regarding the problem. The problem I am having is 
as follows:

I am writing a widget in which I want to distinguish between 
a single mouse click and a double mouse click. That is easy because I add
Translations for the two and am able to detect them properly . When ever I 
get a double click I also get the single click function called which is 
fine with me. The problem I have is that at a single click I want to 
Popup a menu but at the double click want to perform some other 
functions. What happens after the first click is detected is that
the menu is popped up but then I am never able to get the double click
routine ever called because the double click translation does not work now.

I know the popup menu grabs the server till it sees a third 
mouse button release event. So I would like to know the possible ways
I can implement the single and double click so that I get to process
Both the events properly.

Thanks

Mohit 
mohit@bristol.com

Bristol Technology Inc.
898, Ethan Allan Highway
Ridgefield, CT 06877

Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:16501 comp.human-factors:2182
From: lbonham@osbu_south.xerox.com (Larry Dean Bonham)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Seeking Info on GUI Builders
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:07:11 GMT
Organization: Xerox

As the subject says I seek info on GUI Builders. Specifically...

What's out there? (Products/Companies)

Specific Product Feedback
	Features or lack thereof, Platforms Supported, UIL or
	languages/intermediate formats supported, Likes/Dislikes,
	Pricing Info, Availability, etc.

Historical Info (Duration of Product/Company)

Points of Contact within Co. (email addresses, individuals, etc.)

Any responses would be gratefully received at...

	lbonham@osbu_south.xerox.com

Thanks,

--Larry--

Background Information: We are looking as a bare minimum for a 
product that supports Motif or OpenLOOK (preferably both). As a
bonus, it would be a plus for it to support other platforms ala
Mac, MS-Windows, OS/2 PresentationManager, etc.

 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mahesh@evb.com (B.G. Mahesh)
Subject: Can we ship various window managers with our product?
Reply-To: mahesh@evb.com
Organization: SETT Inc.
Affiliate-Of: EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:39:11 GMT


We would like to ship various window managers like
twm, mwm, swm (Solbourne) with our product. I would like
to know what legal issues are involved and how can I 
acquire mwm,swm and other window managers?

Please respond by email.

thanks

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mahesh@evb.com
From: adrian@cs.wm.edu (Adrian T. Filipi)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Where is the latest FAQ?
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:45:50 GMT
Organization: The College of William and Mary


Hello net,
	Could someone point me in the direction of the latest FAQ for this topic?

Thanks,
	Adrian

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken)
Subject: HELP! Need X11R5 server SPARC binary with NumLock patch!
Originator: thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
Reply-To: thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:47:51 GMT

Hi all,

As the subject says, I need a ready-to-run XsunMono binary (X11R5 server for
1152*900 mono display), with the NumLock patch applied. I would build it
myself, but I don't have enough hard disk space.
If you can help, please mail me and we'll work out the details.

Thanks!

 - Thomas (thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl)
From: rmj@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Need XTERM to process Form Feed to clear screen.
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:59:46 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

Need advice as to how to get XTERM to process FF (form feed) like
conventional VT100 terminals. The regular terminals will scroll up
and clear a page worth of screen. Can't seem to find out anything
to set to cause this to happen and our applications use form feed to
clear an area to place text into with escape sequence commands
so without the clear area the display gets garbled. Would appreciate
any help on this.
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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Creating Virtual Root Windows
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:07:05 GMT
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Originator: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu

This may be an FAQ, but I didn't see it in the FAQ list.

What I'd like to do is create a window W which is a client of the
root window in an already running X server, and then set it up
so that W is the root for new display foo:1 (say W is living on
display foo:0).

From reading the X protocol specs, I got the impression that
I would be able to simply open up the socket corresponding to
foo:1 and a connection to foo:0. Then, whenever a client comes
in on foo:1, I pass it all the connection information that it
would normally see if it were connecting to foo:0 except that I
tell it that W is the root window. From then on, I pass all
data unchanged from foo:1 to foo:0.

This seems to simpleminded to work, however, I also can't come up
with anything wrong with it. So, what I'd be interested in is
1) Why won't it work.(assuming it won't.)
2) (and more important) a pointer to a solution which will work.

Thanks in advance,
-Ekr




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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: GUIs Considered Harmful (Different Distribution)
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:11:51 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Aargh!

This thread is driving me mad! Why? 'Cos I want to be involved but our
newsreader barfs (I hate that word) at the first newsgroup
(alt.religion.computers) and I can't followup as a result (please remove this
group from the followup postings.. PLEASE) so I've resorted to this.

So I agree with the chrome arguments

BUT OPENLOOK stinks... no sideways or vertical resize - you've gotta grab a
corner -bleugh!

The thing that got me was a person slagging DECs weirdness - well I won't
defend that, but he didn't slag Sun, who've easily got the worst keyboard
layout after HP (ever used a 700 series - dead flesh Clive Sinclair Keyboard
feel PLUS a very strange key placement policy) and Sun a workstation keyboard
that doesn't even have separate keys (I believe fixed with Type 5 keyboards -
but have yet to see) for cursor control - and all the other keys are in odd 
places. At least DECs keyboard is close to that of an (blasphemy alert) IBM PC,
the keyboards on RS/6000s are PC compatible but so cheap its unbelievable -

I mean HP and IBM keyboards feel like toys cheap and plasticy and tacky and
yet its on eqiupment that costs thousands of pounds. My parent's PC keyboard
has much better reponse and feel (and I bet in Taiwan it only cost #10 or
less to build)

OOPs - I got off the thread slightly, bet I'll get hate mail from HP etc, but
VUE is excellent. I can't remember some of teh other argumnets right now,
but GUI is great for somethings, but CLI better for other and you NEVER have
it any other way, but if you're gonna go on about Emacs meta-x-cokebottle-tops
and TECO (I last saw in '84?) and slag off C++ and sensible design then I'm 
gonna disagree - Emacs is great and so is Brief (IBM PC world - its an editor)

Sayonara

snail@lsl.co.uk



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From: lora@askinc.ASK.COM (Lora Shirley)
Subject: OSF/Motif Developer's Mtg:  September 16
Keywords: OSF Motif X11
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:04:01 GMT


               OSF/Motif Developers Meeting: September 16

  Please join us at a jointly sponsored meeting of the OSF/Motif
  Developers Group and Drinking Society and the BayCHI OSF/Motif BOF.
  The meeting is at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, September 16.

  The topic for the evening is ""Extended Uses of WCL" (Widget Creation
  Library), presented by Ron Edmark.  Ron is a Senior Research
  Engineer at Integrated Systems, Inc., where he is responsible for
  the specification, design, and implementation of graphical user
  interfaces.  Ron has been working with X and Motif since 1989.  His
  current project is the design of a new 2d, 3d interactive graphics
  modeling engine.


  The meeting location is at NCD's facilities, 339 N. Bernardo in 
  Mountain View, directly off of the Central Expressway.
 


  About the Santa Clara Valley OSF/Motif groups:
  *********************************************

  The Silicon Valley OSF/Motif Developers and Drinking Society and
  BayCHI's OSF/Motif BOF (Birds-of-a-Feather) group are two Bay
  area groups that hold monthly meetings to discuss Motif
  development issues.  The topics discussed include: releases and
  features of the Motif toolkit, X11, UI builders, and products
  developed using Motif.

  Meetings are held on the third Wednesday of the month, at 7pm at
  NCD's facility at 339 N. Bernardo St. in Mountain View.  North
  Bernardo Street is located on the Central Expressway, between
  Mary and Castro Streets.

  The meetings are open to the public.  There are no membership or
  admission fees.

  A joint planning committee schedules the meetings.  If you would like to
  discuss a topic of interest to this group, please contact Lora Shirley
  415-335-5288.


  Upcoming Meeting Dates:
  ********************************************

  Wednesday, September 16, 1992     "Extended Uses of WCL"

  Wednesday, October 21, 1992       
  




Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: DVI files.
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:49:53 GMT


Hi there, 

I saw an application called xtex that allows you to preview a DVI  file  produced 
 by  TeX82, LaTeX etc.. 

Can someone send me some information on what is "TeX82, LaTeX etc.." and what are
those DVI files?

thank you for your time, 

Naftaly Stramer

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: garyb@abekrd.co.uk (Gary Bartlett)
Subject: How do I get 'asciiStringWidgetClass' in R5?
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:55:04 GMT

What's the story with the asciiStringWidgetClass in X11R5?  I was trying
to  compile  up  an  old  program (which compiled without problem on R4)
which used the following call:

	#define ASCII_STRING
	#include <X11/Xaw/AsciiText.h>

	:
	:

	send1 = XtCreateManagedWidget("send1", asciiStringWidgetClass,
					box1, args, FIVE);

On linking, the asciiStringWidgetClass could not be found:

	ld: Undefined symbol 
	   _asciiStringWidgetClass

I  looked  in  the  header  file  and it mentioned something about Ascii
String Emulation - what is this?  Has it been removed in R5?

Is  there something I can replace this with to make the program compile?
(I    tried    blindly    changing   the   'asciiStringWidgetClass'   to
'asciiTextWidgetClass'  which enabled it to compile but the program then
did not work as it should).

If it makes a difference I'm compiling on a Sparc (4.1.1).

Thanks,
Gary
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Motif Programmer's Reference Manual
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:26:34 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|> Marshall Brain makes reference to the "Motif Programmer's Reference Manual".
|> Is this available via ftp?  Would it be found at a typical bookstore?

It comes on the Motif tape from OSF.  Prentice-Hall publishes a printed
version (ISBN 0-13-640681-5).

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: goodsenj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (John Goodsen)
Subject: C++ with Motif, trouble with XmIsList() macro
Organization: RAD-Soft Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:09:32 GMT



I'm getting the following error when I try to use the XmIsList()
macro. 

 "MxMailFolder.cc", line 17: error: unexpected  1 argument for XtIsSubclass()

The code it's complaining about is:

	#include <Xm/List.h>

	void MxLoadSubjects ( MxFolder* the_folder    ,
			      Widget    the_widget    ) 

	{

	  CollectableMailMessage* temp_message ;
	  RWString                temp_string  ;
	  XmString                xm_string    ;

	  if ( ! XtIsList(the_widget) )   <------error here!
	    return;  // not an XmList

	  ...

	}


I'm using CenterLine (Saber) C++ and Motif 1.1.?

thanks for the help in advance :-)

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RADSoft Labs                              PCIS Programme
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From: rindress@ctron.com (Rindress MacDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: How to make buttons look pressed in ??
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:19:03 GMT
Reply-To: rindress@ctron.com (Rindress MacDonald)
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc


  Hi,
    I would like to have two push buttons and have them act like a 
  radio box, where you push one button in and the other "pop" out.
  Also when you push the button in I would like to have it look as 
  though it is still pressed in.  I anybody has done this, or seen 
  it done?  

  Thanks in advance,
  Rindress

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