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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: sex pistols, rem, and Bosstones
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:08:53 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <BxBF59.J7G@sdf.lonestar.org> 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) writes:
>>well i haven't heard the latest, but last i heard, the Sex Pistols were
>>reforming for some reason or another.... and it's not really a new

>>i really wish this wasn't happening personally, i'd prefer the Pistols remain
>>dead and buried and retain their glory, i'm afraid of what some geriatric
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
>>ex-punks trying to reclaim some notoriety might look like.... i'm afraid it
  
As someone who is old enough to be your older sister ;-) I say, "Fuck
you". What the fuck kind of shit is that?  Geriatric my ass.  I enjoy
that I have a bit of history.  Go change your diaper, son.

>I think its great actually... john's music (PIL) has really gotten good...
>but I've heard others condemn him for going back to rock and roll.. but
>I say they can fuck off... if thats what he wants to do thats fine... the
>pistols have gotten back together several times though... maybe with all
>the new "alternative" stuff coming out (ie nirvana, teenage fan club) they
>want to show the kids what punk really was... not some grunge shit...
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think the pistols sound alot like the who actually... I always thought
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Punk sounded like the Who?!?!?...  I thought it sounded more like Black Flag
or 7 Seconds or the Ramones or the Sex Pistols or Crass or the Dead Kennedys
or.... MOD sounded more like The Who...  Like Teenage Fan Club...

>they had talent too... alot of people think they don't but oh well..

This is funny. Perhaps they did, but only looking back from a 90's
perspective.  Back in the 70s (since I'm such a dinosaur, allow me to
expound) the stage was Zappa, Yes, and a lot of other progressive
rock. Punk came along and it was *incredibly* crude in comparison.
Furthermore, the whole movement was sort of "anti-talent" - ANYone
could play, and they did.  It was about the repossession of power in
general, and the liberation of music from "talent" was its concrete
realization.

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities 
in our air and water that are doing it."   -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: clopez@weird.miami.fl.us (Carlos Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Violent Femmes
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:54:12 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

Did Sara Lee and Leroy Clouden tour with them again?  Was it Julee Cruise that
replaced Cindy Wilson?   Was Cindy missed?  I've heard most of the tracks from
the new album and so far it doesn't beat Cosmic Thing or their first album
which I believe are their best albums.  It's not very good.  They are very
inconsistent.  
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: joebg@IASTATE.EDU (umbra)
Subject:  Wedding Present, and other questions
Keywords: Wedding Present, Blue in Heaven, Lloyd Cole
Reply-To: joebg@IASTATE.EDU (umbra)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:23:18 GMT

Ok so I need some help. 
1. Does anyone have the lyrics to the Wedding Present's "Seamonsters"?
 I checked the lyric board and they aren't there.

2 Does anyone have any of the Wedding Present 7" singles released this year,
that they are willing to part with ?  Or know where I can find them.

3. Does anyone have an album by a band called Blue in Heaven, or know where to
get it ?

4. I have a very good Lloyd Cole Bootleg called "Sweethart" and the Promo double
disk for "Don't get Weird on me babe" does anyone know about any more rare Lloyd
Cole stuff?  I'm willing to tape or trade.

5. Anyone interested in an alt.music.rare which would talk about promo, bootleg,
and rare music?  How does such a thing get set up?

that's all the questions for now. Please E-mail me or post as you feel
appropriate.  Thanks a bunch

joebg  (UMBRA)

"Mr. I've got scars on my knees"  LC is GOD!!!!
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: only the shadow knows...
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:51:22 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA


    from the drip-dried desk of caroliner rainbow:

well, not that it really matters anymore, for i hate to beat an extremely
dead horse, but i have a few friends who have spotted morrissey frequenting
pubs with a few nibbling women, and i believe they saw him nibbling back as
well.....anyways who really gives a rats ass if the guy was green (actually
that would be kinda funny), and well, he's coming to the university for a 
show on the 16th (that's the university of florida in gainesville), and 
tickets were only 7 bucks, so i figure i'll go, but i guarantee it won't be
nearly as good as the neat-o smiths show in 85', but oh well, anyways....
to whomever was wondering about the sinister ducks single (and aren't we
all?), well, i happened to acquire it a few years back (for only 15 bucks
too!), and to this day, nobody i've ever met that are familiar with it,
can tell me who's on the damn thing.....although i do believe that david j
definitely has something to do with it, for it's his style (and he did do
that 'v for vendetta' single/comic thing, which bears a similar resemblance
to 'old gangsters never die'), and mr. fish (the jazz butcher) as well, 
but who knows? it does have that old savage pencil duck sketching on it 
too, so that makes it even wierder.....hmmm.....
"ducks, ducks, quack quack, quack quack".....
                             
     - caroliner blowfish jacket bulldozer.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pverkai@cs.vu.nl (Verkaik PD)
Subject: Re: Which Beautiful South CD should I buy?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:14:12 GMT

c60a-it@danube.Berkeley.EDU (The Trashcan Sinatra (Amit Sahai)) writes:
: 
: 	Do any of you know what the address of Go! Discs is?
: Do you have any idea how one might reach them? 

There was something on Go! Discs in the NME a couple of weeks ago, perhaps you
can find something there?

: 	So far, I know that The Trash Can Sinatras, The Beautiful
: South, and the La's are all on Go! Discs. These are all great bands
: and have an essentially similar sound. Are there other bands on the
: Go! label worth looking into?

How about the Frank and Walters?

Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson)
Subject: Re: NoMeansNo
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:54:37 GMT

NoMeansNo is definitely a kick-ass band.  They always had a limited
appeal and now it is likely to remain that way since it appears as if
the band is defunct.  If you enjoyed Wrong, you should be sure to
order "Live and Cuddly" from Alternative Tentacles.  IMHO It is better to
support the smaller labels, like AT, then to feed the chain stores.
Live and Cuddly is built up of mostly material from wrong and
excellent tracks from other albums.  This is easily their definitive
work.  Of course, this album only approximates the high energy feeling
of a live show.  So go if you liked Wrong you'll love Live and Cuddly.

IMHO One should not group NomeansNo with Fugazi and Bad Religion.
NomeansNo is more on that plateau of quality with SY than lame noise
bands like Fugazi.  Bad Religion could be good if they knew how to
play more than 5 different chords.  So support NomeansNo and if you
see Mr. Wright is going to play in town, check it out.  It's bound to
be fun.



-- 
Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: 4AD - Lonely is an Eyesore
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:14:20 GMT

kotsines@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (KOTSINES  THOMAS ANT) writes:

>>Lonely is an...
>>Eyesore, their god-like collection inc/ Cocteau Twins, Thrw Muses, DCD,
>>Colourbox (<- the same ones who did pump up the volume!!), This Mortal Coil,
>>etc. ?
>>I have the disc and video, but I'd love another.  Any ideas?  Thanks!

>I doubt it...half the bands on that compilation have either switched to
>major labels or release with major labels.  Would be cool to have another,
>though.

	Colurbox, Dif Juz and This Mortal Coil are defunct (but did not
sign to another label), and the rest are all still on 4AD apart from the
exceptions, (Clan of) Xymox and Cocteau Twins (Fontana)! 
	Where did you get your information?

			Matthew (still puzzled...)
From: mcsdc1gm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Fugazi
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:22:38 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <EexN7EK00WDJ4dg0UZ@andrew.cmu.edu>, er29+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric M. Rehder) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know the what Fugazi is currently doing, touring, recording,
> vegging out...?
> 
> I currently have their albums "Steady Diet of Nothing" and "Thirteen
> Songs."  Anything else I want I will need to order.  What other albums
> have they made and which of these are worth my time.


         ALL THE FUGAZI ALBUMS ARE WORTH GETTING!
         THEY ARE:
         FUGAZI   MINI LP
         MARGIN WALKER  MINI LP
         REPEATER  LP
          
         THEY SHOULDNT COST MORE THAN ABOUT #5.00
         SO DONT LET YOURSELF GET RIPPED OFF
         IF YOUR LOCAL RECORD SHOPS DONT
         HAVE THEM ORDER STRAIGHT FROM DISCHORD RECORDS
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Robots of R????
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:47:40 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
> Last night I was watching The Box and some song by a band called 
> The Robots of R??? caught my eye/ear.  It was like weak Pop Will 
> Eat Itself, but still pretty good.  I *do* remember that they're 
> signed to TVT Records (the same company NIN is associated with).  
> 
> Who is this band??!  I liked this song, and would like an idea of 
> what they're like.  I may have the name somewhat reversed -- maybe 
> they're called R??? of Robots?  No, that doesn't sound right, 
> either.  Any help would be appreciated!

Rise Robots Rise?

--
me
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: The ORB's tour...
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:11:22 GMT

watpod83@alfred.carleton.ca (Robert Telka) writes:

>Any word on The ORB touring in North Amercia?  I'm just dying to see
>them, well, almost dying.

>If anybody knows, please E-mail me, or post.
>Also, dates and locations would be a big bonus as well!

Their tour supposedly isn't going to start until the Spring.  Although I heard
of a February date in Canada.
-- 
		       "I'm Slash man, Slash!" - Slash

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
From: festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: NoMeansNo
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:55:48 GMT
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Whelp, I never thought that I would say a band exists that I like more
than Fugazi, but damn, I think that NoMeansNo just may be the band that  
makes me do it.  I picked up _Wrong_ after it was recomended to me, and
I've listened to it about 1000 times this past week (It's cranked right
now as I type) and not only has it not gotten old, it still amazes me
everytime that I listen to it.  This band has everything that you could
ask of a hardcore band, intensity, excellent lyrics, and tons of musical
talent.  I just can't understand why I haven't heard of them until just
recenctly (I think that I recall only a single post here in a.m.a).

Judging by the material on _Wrong_, this band should be placed on the
upper tier of the alternative world, IMHO in a class with Sonic Youth
andd the Pixies (although not quit as accesable).

Are there any NoMeansNo fans out there?  Ever seen em live, if so
tell me about it.  How are thier other releases ?

In closing (yes the rambling is about to end): If you like Fugazi,
Bad Religion, Sebadoh, etc,  give NoMeansNo a try.

Thanks
Steve
From: klejefm@yalevm.cis.yale.edu (J Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: -- WIRE fans please note
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:12:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
Organization: Stiles College, Yale University

> Also, I'd like to conduct a quick and informal poll on best Wire
> album and song.  Please email responses to SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
> listing your most favorite Wire album(s) and song(s).

My E-mailing's broken.  I'd vote for "Chairs Missing" as best album with
"Pink Flag" a close second.  Best song: maybe "Sand In My Joints" or
"Outdoor Miner."  The newer stuff just doesn't compare.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cybe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rajesh Krishnan)
Subject: James
Summary: James Concert Dates wanted!
Keywords: James
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:18:31 GMT

Does anyone have any information on upcoming concert dates for the
British Band James in California, particularly Northern California.  I
know they are doing the Listener Apperciation Party thing with KITS
one 20NOV, but tickets are only available through radio contest
winning, which doesn't help me much.  

So, please, help me much!

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.rave
From: djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e)
Subject: Re: Rave? Help!
Reply-To: djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:17:36 GMT

In article <l!0p+5d@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>How deliciously *October* of you, pruney.  This past Saturday night's new
>trend was to play 140+bpm tracks at 16 rpm while you watch old Bewitched
>episodes with the sound turned down...

BEWITCHED!????  Ghod, I did that at a Second of November retro party.  Yawn. 
The really big trend is...  Oh shit, it's over.  Now _everything_ is passe,
including threads about what's really hip.  

Complete sentences.  Really stone age.  La langue anglais.  Gauche.  
Coherent typing. sdoirlgllofrslgl.

p r u n e        RIT        Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other
                            artificial chemical substances.
From: pftzgrld@unix2.tcd.ie (FUNGUS FROM YUGGOTH)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Spacemen 3.
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:39:51 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

Could anyone send me a complete discography for Spacemen 3 ? Also I
would appreciate any comments about which of their albums are worth
getting ? I recently purchased Recurring and its quite good.
 Finnally does anyone know what Sonic Boom is up to now ? Is he still
with Silvertone ? Is he still alive even ?
                           Regards 
                             Peter Fitzgerald
                               (mail:-  pftzgrld @unix2.tcd.ie)
From: jkelly@IASTATE.EDU (John E Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins's album
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: jkelly@IASTATE.EDU (John E Kelly)
Organization: Iowa State University

I believe Smashing Pumpkin's is from Detroit but wouldn't bet the 
farm on it.  Correct me if I'm wrong !

John
From: gtclark@festival.ed.ac.uk (G T Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NIN VIDEOS?
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:21:08 GMT

brad@cs.washington.edu (Bradford Chamberlain) writes:

><prior comments deleted by my newsreader...>

>Wasn't there supposed to be an X-rated video for Sin that Trent
>threw together, and got vetoed in a big way by TVT??

>-Brad


	Well,according to the British music press,TVT had it on video
and wouldn't let it out of the building because their legal advice was
that if they released it the only question would be whether the police
arrived in the morning or the afternoon.Apparently it had "scenes of
body piercing."

	G.
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Bolton? Quality? Quantity?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:09:02 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Nov12.235126.21138@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:

>Well, again, I would defer to Clayton as the expert, since he's been
>following Michael Bolton's career for at least a few months longer than I
>have... but I believe the five instruments are:

>	Voice (yes! it's an instrument!)
>	Piano/Organ/Celeste (I only count this as >one< instrument)
>	Conga Drums
>	Trumpet (he's no Miles Davis, but he's still pretty good)
>	Moog synthesizer
>I can't speak for Clay, but the way that Michael Bolton uses his musical
>talents (not to mention his abilities as a compsician) just about GUARANTEES
>quality music.  And so it has!  Why do you think that so many people love
>his songs and buy his records?  Simply: they're the BEST!

one:  Why is this non-talent being discussed in an alternatve newsgroup....
two:  Playing five instruments doesn't mean one is good.  By that logic, I
      could say that those guys who do those "one man band" things (where
      guy plays a kazoo, a drum, a guitar, an acordian, and a horn of some
      type) are quality musicians....
three:  Why do so many people buy his records?  Because they don't know
        that almost all the songs he sings are covers of older songs done 
        by much more talented people.  Another factor may be the fact that
        the majority of his fans (like the majority of Englebert
        Humperdink, Tom Jones and Barry Manilow followers) are lonely,
        mostly middle-aged women who vent all their pent up sexual
        energies on a star, instead of trying to find a real love 
four:  please take any flames to e-mail, and spare the net of this -Bolton
       is G-d- crappola.....

Jack
jis@panix.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: c60a-st@danube.Berkeley.EDU (efil laer nI)
Subject: Suede/Adorable/Plethora
Keywords: Metal Mickey
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:37:32 GMT

Does anyone have any information on the upcoming US releases of
Suede or Adorable?  Or any other useful information about these
bands...
has anyone heard of a band called Plethora?  I heard that they
were a "great new band" but I haven't been able to find anything
by them.

BTW:  could you please name this tune:

"She looks so good..
She's made out of wood." 

I know that Nirvana did a cover and Galaxie 500 did a cover, but
I don't know what it's called.

+-----------------------------+------------+
| Selwyn Oh                   |   /    \   |
| c60a-st@danube.berkeley.edu |  ( lush )  |
| SB)                         |   \    /   |
From: ez012884@othello.ucdavis.edu (Tara)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs tour
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:19:19 GMT
Distribution: alt
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

December 12th, Berkeley Community Theatre, $22.50-$25

Tara
From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: sigue sigue sputnik
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:16:01 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



well...



everyone knows about Tony James being in the Sisters of Mercy for a while

Martin Deggville(?????)))) did a solo lp....


and one of the others was last seen working on a building site........



g.
From: krazykid@csa.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: 10,000 Maniacs tour
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:48:08 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

10,000 Maniacs are on a college campus tour.  So there may be a chance
they will be near you if you are near a big campus.  They will be at
Brandeis Univ. (15 min. from Boston) on Nov. 22.

Ernie
krazykid@csa.bu.edu
From: martins@young.ece.cmu.edu (Fernando Martins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Alternative Music People
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:28:04 GMT
Distribution: pa
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

Hi,

I've recently moved to Pittsburgh,PA and would like to know
if is there any club/store/place where alternative music lovers
met to share ideas and trade used CDs.

In my contry we have some "clubs" where one can rent a CD for
a week just to see if you like the stuff in there. Is this 
also common here in US?

Regards,
Fernando.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs on Tour?
From: (Becky)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:16:51 -0600
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Distribution: alt

In article <feldman.720903895@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
feldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Todd J. Feldman) wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any tour dates for 10,000 Maniacs, especially in
> Northern California?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Todd

They will be in Mpls.,MN. one 30 Nov. I think.  Like that does you any
goos, but at least you know they won't be in Cal. around that time:)

"JESUS MADE ME SO, JESUS SAVE ME FROM, PITY, SYMPATHY, AND PEOPLE
DISCUSSING ME."
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: dx@netcom.com (dx)
Subject: Re: TMBG - SHUT UP!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:14:34 GMT

Andrew Porter Glendinning...

> ... If you only listen to a band because their records are sold
> in a certain section of a store then it would seem to me that you're not
> listening to it because you like it, but because of its image.

And?  Is there something wrong with liking a band because they're popular?
Because all of your friends like them?  Because they're *good*?  After all,
as we've discussed here many times, why would so many people buy their
records (and push them to the upper reaches of the charts) if their music
wasn't excellent?  Just because a band is popular doesn't instantly mean
that they're music is dog food, does it?  Or maybe it does... I don't
really know anymore.

I find it a lot easier to just buy what's on the Billboard top-10 and
records my friends like than to actually listen to anything and make a
decision.  Life is full of decisions, what to wear, what to eat, what
movie to see, that I don't need to add to it by having to decide what
records to buy.  Records?  Did I say "records"?  Luckily that decision
was made for me... I meant *CDs*.  I know some of you hate CDs, but why?
I think they're really convenient.  Sure, maybe they're overpriced, but
how much would records be by now if they didn't have CDs keeping their
prices artificially deflated.  (Remember when Nixon slapped that freeze
on the record industry?  I thought that was about the only good thing
he did, other than throwing that stick on the beach for his dog King
Timahoe.)

And while I'm here, what's all this about "Yes" being the best band ever?
Sure, they're great musicians (and Jon Anderson has almost as many octaves
in his singing range as Geddy Lee!), sure they write great songs and they
put on a great stage show... hey! I'm convinced, but I can't really prove
it.

-dx