HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: distrution disk backup
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:41:36 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rbean@netcom.com (William Chen) writes:
: I got the 4.0 package last week.
: 
: Big question, how do I backup the five distribution disks.  Do I just make a
: bootable floppy according to the Lexicon's booting section, and then there-
: after mount every floppy disk, copy with cpdir everything from the floppy to
: the HD, and then cpdir that to a newly fdformat-mkfs floppy.
: 
: Are there any special fdformating parameters?  What about mkfs -b ?  What
: exactly does that do?
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: 
: -Will
: 
:  

Use the program dd (see its lexicon entry for dedails).

Ecki
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: mtalk (was Re: Shared Memory)
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:30:39 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
(...)
: >I've been going to examine the source code in more detail to see if it's
: >anything obvious, but I haven't had time. Has anyone else noticed this sort
: >of system slowdown, and made any attempt to improve things? Is it a problem
: >with the device driver?
: 
: I never noticed any troubles on my 12-MHz 286, but I was usually the recipient
: of the mtalk so I might have missed it.  I know, however, that I am often
: compiling, etc. while mtalking and I have never noticed any degradation in
: performance.

My system, a 25-MHz 386 significantly loses performance, when I'm running
mtalk. I've never take a look at the sources, because I've very seldom
the need to run it.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new 32bit release?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:11:28 GMT

Installng 4.0.1 was a piece of cake.  The only problem I have had is a few
panics ( think).  Anyway, when I reset the computer, I could not abort the
memory test.  I know it used to do that when it got a panic trap.

4.0 binaries run a *heck* of a lot faster than 3.2.  For a (flaky) comparison
I ran a sattelite tracking program for 1 minute increments over a two week
period using the time command.  Running under 4.0, the 16 bit binary took
29 minutes and some seconds.  The 4.0 binary took 12 minutes an some seconds.
This was all done running version 4.0 of the kernel.  If I remember rightly,
a similar task took about 20-25 minutes under 3.2, but I didn't actually time
it.

This was done one a 386-25, 8MB ram, no cache.....

Ken Friberg
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: 4.0.1 shipping in Germany
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:44
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

Because I never saw an obligatory "Received!" post by German users,
I want to inform you that eMedia is now obviously shipping Coherent 4.0.1.
Upgrading was easy and took 40 minutes. Now there's a lot of work, so...

...bye, ralf
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tsecfr@getrz.gez.ch (Christof Frey)
Subject: c compiler
Organization: Grapha Electronic AG, Zofingen
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:25:11 GMT

Is ther a ANSI-C compiler available for coherent ?

Thanks
Chris
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: RN problems
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:11:41 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

david@r-node.gts.org (Gerald Abshez) writes:

> Has anyone got the rn that is posted at mwcbbs working? I'm using Coherent
> 3.2.1 and the Cnews that is posted on mwcbbs, and rn keeps burping all over
> the place. (I did get the PD Make from mwcbbs to compile it, BTW). Can anyone
> relate what they did to get this puppy working smoothly? Any pointers are
> appreciated.

I'm using C News, rn, and Coherent 3.2.1. I don't recall any *huge* problems
getting rn to work, can you describe the difficulties you're having.

						- k
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From: george@dupa.UUCP (George Brickner)
Subject: Re: Who are you?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:34:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dupa T. Parrot, Ltd.

patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST) writes:
>  [lots of useful stuff deleted to save bandwidth]
> 	Here's my rules for selecting easily memorable passwords:
> 	1) use a phrase... preferably a nonsensical one.  Perhaps even permute
> 	   the words in the phrase so they are not in the right order for the
> 	   phrase.
> 	2) use some (at least one) uppercase letter... preferably not the first
> 	   letter in any words in the phrase.
> 	3) misspell a word.
> 	4) put a number in there.  If possible use a special character (eg.
> 	   !@$%^...)
> 	5) maybe drop, add or permute a few random letters to the password.
> 	6) never, never, ever write it down.  This is the most common way for
> 	   someone to find out the password.  If you must write it down,
> 	   typical places to avoid are: your desk, your terminal, your wallet
> 	   (or purse), your organizer, your address book, etc.).
> 	   Therefore, pick something that is memorable and you could easily
> 	   (ie. in your head) derive -- this is the reason for all the other
> 	   rules.
>  [more stuff deleted]

  I created a password on my system that has two words separated by a dollar
sign. One day I accidently typed a percent sign instead of the $ and Coherent
accepted it. Is this a bug in the encryption algorythm or a feature?

	George
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /etc/passwd security (was Re: Who are you?)
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:46:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo) writes:
: ps I wrote a much simpler version of rsh which executes commands only from
: the /rbin directory.  It has no job control and no redirection, but it
: does its job very nicely.
: 
: I can post it here if there is enough interest.  Meanwhile, I'll submit it
: as psb-rsh.c.Z to raven.alaska.edu and maybe mwcbbs sometime next week.  It
: runs on all versions of COHERENT 3.0 and above.

Would really be fine to post it. MWCBBS is a LD call, and I don't have
ftp access. If this restricted shell is save I would use it for an
guest account, so that peoples which are interested at Coherent 4.0
could play a little bit with my system without the possibility to do
some damage.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan)
Subject: newsreader info?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:31:38 GMT

I have uucico working now and want to install a newsreader. I 
didn't have much joy with cnews, not even the ver posted @ mwcbbs.
 
I've seen nn and tin mentioned and noted them @ raven. These are 
readers, yes? Are both needed; do they perform the functions of 
cnews- polling (w/ uucico), batching, expiring? How are they as 
readers? Do they work w/ elm?  Will someone post elm to raven 
/incoming32?
 
txia,
Timothy.
From: root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: eMedia's news hotline times
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:32:44 +0100

edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim) writes:
> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
> 
> 
> Good news !
> 
> eMedia in Hannover, Germany has started shipping the first bunch of
> Coherent 4.0 today. 
 
And J.F.Lehmanns in berlin also !

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein, MD)
Subject: Keyboards/Virtual Console woes
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Organization: Yale University, Center for Medical Informatics
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:50:01 GMT

I have 4.0.1 up and running on my Leading Technology 6800SX (a 386sx/16
machine.)  However, I had to install with the non-loadable keyboard
driver, else the keyboard was unusable.

Seems the machine came with a cheapie keyboard that COH386 doesn't like.

Question:  once I obtain a compatible keyboard, what is the path of
least complexity to changing the software to use the loadable driver
and hence enable the virtual console feature?  (short of reinstallation
of the entire system...)

-- S.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tbr@tfic.bc.ca (Tom Rushworth (V))
Subject: Re: Coherent Vs Sun OS
Summary: only the "4" is the same
Organization: Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:51:16 GMT

Here's my opinion of the differences:

           Coherent                     SunOS
           --------                     -----

CPU        80*86                        680*0 / SPARC (80486 RSN)
Ancestor   unix version 7 clone         BSD unix (not sure which version)
Size       ~64K code for kernel         ~1Pigabyte for kernel (:))
Speed      95% of CPU to user           50% (guess) to user
Apps.      few available                many
Stability  v3.? very high               v3.5 very high
           v4.? dunno                   v4.? not as good, still OK

I've used Coherent (version 3.something) running on a 50MHz 486 with 16M RAM
and IDE drives.  It was much snappier than the Sun SPARCStation 1 I've been
using here at Timberline.  Which is best for you depends on what you want.
SunOS comes with a GUI and many bells and whistles, but it is big and fat and
consumes far more of your hardware for itself.  Coherent comes with a basic
character interface only (at least the last time I looked, but there seems
to be lots of people interested in or working on X for version 4), and is
lean and efficient.  If you don't need the GUI right away, you'll get more
bang for your buck with Coherent.  If you want to do text or image processing
with fonts and mutiple windows, Coherent just doesn't have it right now.
(I'm not saying it won't eventually have that kind of stuff, but if you need
it, you'd be wasting your money to buy a system without it hoping it would
show up soon.)

One last bit of opinion - that $100 is *very* hard to beat.  (Yes, I *know*
Linux and 386BSD are free.  But you are going to spend hours and hours
maintaining the OS, not using it, so unless OS hacking is what you are
after, they are not really in the running.)
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From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Access to I/O ports from user processes
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:30:28 GMT
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Distribution: comp
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

A recent post mentioned that Coherent 4.0, like 3.x, allows processes
to access I/O ports directly using the "in" and "out" instructions.
This could lead to problems in those cases where multiple rocesses did
I/O with the same port.

Intel has designed the 386+ CPUs to allow security level assignment
for I/O access on a task descriptor basis.  This feature could be used
to provide hardware enforcement of port prohibition for some or all
processes.

But I think that it is not necessarialy a good idea.  I have a number
of programs that fiddle with the various I/O ports that control
hardwarre on PC machines.  Not all of these ports have corresponding
/dev files.  Therefore, there is a real need for user processes to
access I/O ports.  To eliminate such access would be removing an
important part of COherent 4.0 functionality

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
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From: root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: request uucp/modem help
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:50:25 +0100

tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
> I need help badly on trying to get UUCP to run on my 386sx under 
> Coho 4.00.
>  
> I have gotten it to poll mwcbbs and dl files, so I know it's 
> possible, but right now I can't even get it to pick up the phone.
>  
> /etc/ttys is set to 0rQcom4r
>  
> echo ATDT >/dev/com4l works.
>  
> uucheck -f runs, with no LCK files.
>  
> /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -Smwcbbs -x4 fails, with "Line Problem". It 
> does not take the modem off-hook.           
>  
> /etc/ttys is now set to 1rcom4r. I tried setting this to 0lcom4l, 
> then kill quit 1, but then uuccio failed with com4r locked.
>  
> My /etc/modemcap file is one that has worked in the past. Result 
> codes are off, Echo is off. C1 and D2 are set.
>  
> What can I do to fix this? Why would it work, as recently as this 
> morning, then fail?
>  
> Nothing wrong with the modem, a suprafax V32bis.
>  
> Much thanks, if I ever get uucico to work then I'll be asking for 
> help to install cnews. I have both the internet version and the one 
> listed on mwcbbs; neither will compile.
>  
> Timothy.
> 
> 
> 
>
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Problems w/ multi-volume tar backup
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:10:53 GMT

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
: 
: > [...problems with ustar and GNU tar...]
: >
: > Has anybody else seen these problems?
: 
: No.
: 
: I've been using cpio (which appears to be preferred at MWC as well), and it
: works okay although it doesn't restore links properly. However, ustar is just
: cpio with a different UI so if you're having problems with one it's likely
: you'll have problems with the other. I'm using 1.2M floppies here, that could
: be the difference.
: 

Last time I checked, cpio and ustar were completely different.  You
might be thinking of pax, which handles either cpio or tar style
archives.  I use cpio under DOS quite a bit, so maybe I'll switch to
cpio under Coherent.

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From: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Prospective Coherent buyers question
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )
Organization: Citrus Grove Public Access ( 916 ) 381-5822    Sacramento CA.  USA

In article <2a8e8391wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
>udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>> 
>> ... If you want to run gcc you should have
>> 8MB of memory. For the first steps your 4MB are fine, if you
>> don't connect to much terminals/modems to your system.
>
>Does that mean gcc/g++ won't run on my 2 MB / one user system?

Until they get swaping or demand paging into Coherent I don't think
that you'll be able to runn gcc in only 2meg.

I've done some compiles under Linux using gcc on a 2meg system and
the disk drive went bonkers due to the paging.  gcc is a LARGE
program.
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From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Who are you?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:43:04 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In an article, patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST) writes:
> [...] In order for a shadow passwd file to be used, all the system 
> utilities that deal with passwords must know how to work
> with the shadow passwd file [and] in particular, they must know to
> look only there for password info. [...]

This is true.  The programs in question are login(1), passwd(1), su(1),
pwconv(8) and pwunconv(8).

> This is typically done by replacing the library routines for extracting 
> and verifying password info. 

There are no standard functions in libc.a that do this.  To verify passwords
you use getspnam(3) and crypt(3).  It's rather trivial.

> If you have a program that dosen't use the library routines but parses
> /etc/passwd directly, it might be a security hole.

There is no more of a security risk if the user parses /etc/passwd manually
or uses getpwent(3).  In either case, the user will get an encrypted password
(with non-shadowed passwords) or garbage (ie: "*") in the password field.
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From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent Vs Sun OS
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:47:01 GMT
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug11.232401.29059@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com> chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.183721.6604@mr.med.ge.com> ramesh@kintyre.med.ge.com (Ramesh Nagarajan 54284) writes:
>>Can any group members help me in figuring out the differnces between
>>Sun OS 4.X sereies and Coherent version 4.0?
>
>Coherent is cheaper, smaller and slower ;)

Slower?  If it's smaller--all things considered--it's probably faster.

Does SunOS 4.x run on PCs?  We could settle this empirically . . .

Pred Bundalo

PS I think there are a _few_ more differences than just those mentioned.
   For instance, I'm pretty sure SunOS is based on BSD 4.3--although I
   heard something about them planning to switch to SYSVR4--while
   COHERENT is based on SYSV.
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From: fredex@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (Fred Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: I just got mine...
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:04:59 GMT
Organization: Gilgut Enterprises, Inc.

In article <Bt08xw.2zA@shyguy.lonestar.org> bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers) writes:
>For those of you who are keeping track...
>
>
>The one thing that MWC has going for it, well over the other vendors, is
>the friendlyness of their support people, and also their helpfullness.
>
>Wish i only got even 10% of this from the Consensys people...
>
Have you ever tried to get support from SCO? Well, I have. Not worth
the trouble of dialing the phone, usually. And that's after they have
the nerve to charge a fortune for the software, and another one for the
"support" contract.

>-bob
>
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From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: I just got mine...
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:13:08 GMT

For those of you who are keeping track...

I just got my upgrade today, for Coherent 4.0.  I origionally purchased my
system (3.2.1a) back in the May timeframe too.

I'll be installing it this weekend on my wife's machine (a Lasar 386SX,
4 mb ram, 30 mb disk for it), and comparing it against my Consensys V4
system for ease of install/configuration/etc.

The one thing that MWC has going for it, well over the other vendors, is
the friendlyness of their support people, and also their helpfullness.

Wish i only got even 10% of this from the Consensys people...

-bob

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