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From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:36:28 GMT

In article <ewright.726520300@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.234145.4875@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>
>>Sorry 'bout that--are you suggesting that a Tasco or Bushnell telescope
>>can't be used by an adult?  (And, since Dawn has already said that she'd
>>be happy with such a telescope and I owned a Bushnell telescope until 
>>recently when I transferred it to someone who wanted it more, does that
>>mean that Dawn and I aren't adults?)
>
>Since you've already confessed to being below the male age of
>maturity (30), isn't that question rather pointless?

It's worse than that--at the rate I'm going, I probably won't reach
maturity for millenia, let alone at 30. 

>If you look at the boxes those telescopes come in, you'll notice
>that, like all toys, they have a recommended age range.

Hmmmm...I don't recall that there was an upper limit--not that it
matters, really, since it hasn't stopped me from having fun with my
Legos.

Trygve   (OK, sometimes I give in and do grown-up kinda things--I've
          even built a desk set out of Legos.)
--
Maturity, as the term is normally used, indicates the extent to which
someone behaves in a socially expected manner.  Some level of "maturity"
is necessary to operate within society, but too much tends to eliminate
the individual as a person.
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From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
Subject: Re: Catwoman! Any Comments?  (Re: Where did I meet my SO?)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:01:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: wetware.1993Jan10.160111.13323
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:

] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >Well she sent me email, wanting to meet me,
] >becuase of my Basically Shy Quiet Naive Innocent Waifly Way
] >that I posted to the net.
] >
] >Little did I know that all she Really Wanted to do 
] >was Take Advantage of my Innocence and Youth.
] 
] ...some of us are wondering if herstory == history on
] this most important subject...
] 
] ...so, darling Catwoman, tell all...

Heh.  Who can resist?!?!

Actually, it started out a bit earlier than
he says there - due to a confused person in
alt.personals (a third party).  Since drieux
was the only one who posted a reasonable
non-flame (!!) to this person, when he couldn't
get e-mail to me, he sent it to drieux.  

drieux and I started corresponding in e-mail, and
then on the phone - and THEN I started asking if
he would show up at <someplace>. 

When he finally posted one day asking about where
to meet for BREAKFAST (after one of the interminable
"where's a good place for dinner/after hours/etc. 
threads), I promptly sent mail saying "Ah HAH!  NOW
I know where to meet you!".

Of course, this was REALLY precipitated because we'd
also gone the rounds of the thread "You can't be sure
that the person who is posting is REALLY a <male|female>
and can you tell for sure if you meet them in person!".

So after we met the first time, I got mail from him
offerring breakfast at his place (ahem!).  He, of course,
claims that it was the "chivalrous, gentlemanly, courteous
thing to do"...

I accepted, but invited him for dinner a few days
before the breakfast "date" - and he wound up staying
the night.

The rest, as they say, is history!

Diana
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:14:57 GMT
Organization: Society for the Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless

In article <1993Jan5.212105.9911@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

>  I really wanted
>to meet someone by the time I graduated so I could go home and tell everyone
>that not only did I get a degree BUT I met this great guy and we're starting
>a business (yeah).  Well I had this really BABE roommate, butt-length pale
>blonde hair, great figure, excellent personality, etc.  So we'd be out
>somewhere and some really foxy guy would come up and start chatting with ME
>(wow!) and I'd think I was going to pee my pants because he actually
>wanted to talk to ME and then the bomb would drop when he'd say:  "So, Nancy,
>what I'd really like to do is have you introduce me to your friend ..."
>and he would very promptly be told to piss off in another direction.
>
>I'd think of something else.

Ah, but suppose someone had started talking to your roommate, and then
asked her to introduce him to you.  How would you have felt?

Seth

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Where did you meet your SO?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 05:14:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.190917.28255@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:
>
>We danced for a bit, then we retired to the small restaurant next to the dance
>hall, and over a beer or two, I asked him what his major was, and he said he 
>was working on his D.D. degree. Ugh!

Ugh?  Ugh?!?  Being a doctor of divinity myself, I resent the implication
that all people with D.D.'s are icky.  (Ok, ok, maybe I'm a little bit
icky, but I do have some redeeming values--really, I do.)

Trygve   (Gosh; do you think that maybe the reason Ed doesn't seem to
          like me too much is because of my divinity degree?) 
--
"Life is like an analogy"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:11:50 GMT
Organization: Society for the [etc.]

In article <1icjl8INNp1p@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:

>   A woman knows within the first ten seconds whether or not she will "sleep"
>with you -- so refrain from saying anything until the 10 seconds are up.
>
>(Actually, sometimes seduction takes several months, not a mere 10 seconds).

Those two statements are not at all contradictory.

Seth

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:37:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204037.18528@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>Which puts me in mind of a guy I once knew who told me he automatically
>dismisses as lies 90% of what guys tell him of their experiences with
>women and seriously doubts 90% of what's left.

   And 1% are responsible for all babies hatched?  Uhuh!

   songbird
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Subject: Flames and games and such
Keywords: flames, james, games, name, airplanes
Organization: Panix, NYC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:58:13 GMT


RE: Recent bashing, flaming and many people adding others to kill files.....


Can't we all just get along?!??!?!

:)


--
Jack
jis@panix.com
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:16:39 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1993Jan9.063736.4440@mtu.edu>, rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.204037.18528@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
> >Which puts me in mind of a guy I once knew who told me he automatically
> >dismisses as lies 90% of what guys tell him of their experiences with
> >women and seriously doubts 90% of what's left.
> 
>    And 1% are responsible for all babies hatched?  Uhuh!

Oh no, some of the lies are responsible for some of the babies.  Trust me
on this.

Dawn
"What if I had PMS all my life, and told you you looked just like Barney Fife,
What if I twisted it in like a knife, Until it made you cry? Until it made
you lie? Would you still love me?"
"What If..." by Bongwater
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ankle bracelets
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:27:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec24.022312.8061@netcom.com> stevek@netcom.com (Steve Kile) writes:
>I'd like to ask the ladies of the net (tm) to answer a question for me.  I
>frequent a couple of restaurants where the waitresses wear ankle bracelets
>(is that the correct terminology?)  These girls are mostly high school or
>college age.  I don't recall this type of jewelery being worn during my high
>school or college days.  Is this a new fad?  What is the significance of
>wearing it on the right versus left ankle?  Thanks.

I occasionally wear an ankle bracelet I bought while living in Asia ... it
has little bells on it, and is fun to wear dancing.  I attach no
signifigance to wearing it on one ankle vs. the other, and I'm well out of
college.  



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:41:45 NZST
Distribution: world
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Summary: Please pardon the obscenity
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> Insuficently funny, huh?
> 
> Oh well; I guess the rest of you don't get awful visions of stretch
> limos transporting 50 litre hypodermic needles to summit meetings.
> 
> Maybe I should see if I can switch suppliers of awful visions?

   But, Graydon, by no means are you the first to imply politicians are a bunch
of big pricks... 8-) 

Tony Q. (Yeah, I'm back. I had a horrible holiday 8-( )
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.sex
From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Keywords: go get bent..
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:19:19 GMT

In <6JAN199313513483@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zau@utarlg.uta.edu (The Brothers Grimm (Wayne and Ez-E)) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.153113.10337@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes...
>>In article <1idntbINNfi@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>>>"Come hither, oh beloved, and with me fulfill the most romantic impulses
>>>that be thine."
>> 
>> 
>>Uhh....umm...hey baby...can I take off my clothes and jump on you?????
>>-- 
>>"Nobody tells a Navy man when he's had enough to drink, cause only a Navy man
>> knows when he's had enough to drink!"
>>-Steven J Orlin   sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

>How about this classic, "Would you like to dance?" and if/when the person
>says no reply "No, I said you look FAT IN THOSE PANTS!"...

>okay.. lame.. but hey..
>(8

Well, how about these?

"Hey, wanna see my hard drive?  I promise it isn't 3.5 inches and it ain't 
floppy"

-or-

"Hey, would you like to have pizza, beer, and then fuck?"
(woman says "no!")
"What's wrong?  Don't like pizza?"

-or-

"Hey, baby, wanna see something swell?"



-- 
Brian T Odom

"We are all manufacturers -- some make good, others make trouble, and still
others make excuses."
From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pierre Fernando)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: I'm SO happy
Keywords: Wonder, Relief, Happiness
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:53:28 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Please forgive me....

I've just finished a HORRID essay !

And I'm so happy, so happy, but I'm all alone in a cold dreary lab at 2.00 am,

And no-one to share my HAPPINESS with !


I appriciate your tolerance,

From one of your *silent* members of this group,


lotsa love to you all........


Pierre
--x---


(Sometimes, a lab CAN be a beutiful place!)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:20:36 GMT

In article <wy91H$ea?b@atlantis.psu.edu> R9S@ECL.PSU.EDU (Roberto G Sung) writes:
>In <1993Jan9.071937.12429@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>> 
>> Awww, gee--don't you like my collection of old medicines and medical
>> equipment dating from before there were either truth-in-advertising 
>> laws or liability suits?  (I particularly like this bottle of little
>> black pills that are a blend of arsenic and strychnine--it features
>> this adorable little note in small print on the side:  "Caution; 
>> indiscriminate use may be harmful.") 
>
>Are you sure? i thought it has pill form and with the lable "for best
>result, disolve the content of the bottle in chicken broth and serve
>it warm to your inlaws. warning: keep away from children"

Quite sure; the label on this bottle is still very readable.  Next to
it I've got a bottle of a rather interesting medicine that claims to
"cure nervousness and despondency, especially when associated with the
reproductive organs"--whether or not the fact that it's 138 proof has
anything to do with this effect, I hesitate to guess. 

Trygve
--
If you're like most normal young women who watch TV a lot, you feel that your
breasts are too small and you often find yourself out on a date with someone
you don't really like, but after he spends a lot of money on (or at least
near) you, you feel a sense of social pressure that you ought to give him some
use of your body in return.  Well, fortunately for you, MEGO Industries
introduces new "Leah Press-On Breasts"--not only will they make you look
better endowed, but after an expensive dinner, you can leave them with your
date, eliminating any guilt feelings you might have over the cost of the
scampi that was too salty anyway.  Buy three pairs, and we'll include this
deluxe shipping box so he can mail them back to you when he's done.
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: Where did you meet your SO? 
Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:20:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.064348.26971@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) writes:
>As long as Heather got the ball rolling on the 
>subject of meeting people, where you meet your
>current partner?  Theorizing where to meet
>people is one thing, what works is another.  
>So how about some info for the group?

She sent me e-mail.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Virtual anniversary: 6 days ago
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:41:45 GMT

In article <ewright.726426474@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1993Jan6.220416.17663@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>
>>Ed's claim was that it was possible to get "high-end" sports equipment 
>>in a K-Mart, but impossible to get "high-end" scientific stuff.  
>
>No, my claim was that it's possible to get sports equipment (but not
>scientific equipment) *designed for adults* at K-Mart.
>
>You translated that into "high end."   

Sorry 'bout that--are you suggesting that a Tasco or Bushnell telescope
can't be used by an adult?  (And, since Dawn has already said that she'd
be happy with such a telescope and I owned a Bushnell telescope until 
recently when I transferred it to someone who wanted it more, does that
mean that Dawn and I aren't adults?)

Trygve   (Hey, Dawn, wanna make sandcastles?)
--
"Cole's law:  thinly sliced cabbage."
From: mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Ignorance and insults
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:44:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <XH2wwB1w165w@iowegia.uucp> mine@iowegia.uucp (shelley kitsis) writes:
>Expect to get flamed by a couple of, (dare i say, "ignorant"

Ya know, I say, Sophieeee ... ( she says in her BEST Bette Midler), 
Soph, I've never quite understood,... why this is supposed to be an insult. 
I mean, I am ignorant.  There are all kinds of things I don't know.
Everyone is ignorant.  I can't think of even one human being that isn't
ignorant.   So,...  Soph, tell me,... why is this insulting?

--
     Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
                                   -- Napoleon
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
From: hudel@waterloo.hp.com (Chris Hudel)
Subject: Re: Where did you meet your SO? 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:23:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Panacom Division)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]
Followup-To: soc.singles,alt.romance

macleod heather (macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca) wrote:
:Yes, absolutely!!  I'm getting hundreds of theories, let's hear some
:reallife experiences!!
: 

Alllllrighty, Heather!          

Picture it. Waterloo, 1992.  Winter term finals.  I goes to the library 
to do some studying and find a near-empty desk.  Just a knapsack on the
table so I sits down and start studying.  About 10 minutes later I look
up from my book and lo' and behold, a beautiful woman is in front of me.
(She had been getting a book whilst I was finding a seat)  She sees me
look up at her.  We smile, nod and go back to reading.  About two hours
later I'm tired and want to get a coffee and some munchies.  I say to
myself [*] 'what the hell', take in a deep silent breath and say

"Excuse me, I don't mean to be forward but..er, okay I *do* mean to be
 forward.  I'm gonna get something to eat.  Would you like to join me?"

She says yeppers.  After that we go out a few weeks later and have been
ever since. (ahhh, warm sighs).

Nifty, huh? :-)

Anyways, the [*] is the key point.  I say if you're the slightest bit
interested, go for it!  Just ask the person.  Ask a total stranger! What
have you got to loose!?  A few things can happen:

1) Rejection.  Well, it's hardly rejection from a *total stranger*, it's
   just a nope answer.  And why care?  I mean, if you meet the person
   again in a few weeks, likely neither of you will recognize one another.
   There is no 'loosing face'.  In fact, you've probably made the other
   person feel rather good about themselves by asking them out.

2) She/he says yes.  You get married, blah blah blah.

3) He/she says yes.  You've got a new good friend.

4) He/she says yes.  It doesn't work but at least you met someone new
   and had a nice meal/movie/whatever with somebody.

So, Heather et. al -- just do it. ("it's not just for Nike anymore")

Cheers!
Chris.
--
                                                         Chris Hudel
business: hudel@waterloo.hp.com                         519/883-3080
pleasure: chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca             
(Pleasure forwards to business...)       - all comments are mine, not HP's - 
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:32:09 GMT

aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>
>>I wish that they'd at least stop cross-posting to soc.* groups when their
>>postings are clearly meant for alt.flame.
>
>Given that this kind of thing has been going on for years, what makes
>*you* think you have any chance to change things?
>

Funny.  Just today my fortune cookie said,  "The best defense against logic
is ignorance."

I think goid is demonstrating it nicely for us, eh?

-- 
:::::::::::::::::::  Greg Andrews  gerg@netcom.com  :::::::::::::::::::
ObGuindon:  Beets!  They're not just for breakfast anymore.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
Subject: Re: Meeting guys
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:05:18
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:03:11 GMT

In article <C0ELDC.21p@mach1.wlu.ca> macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:

   I've been reading a lot lately here about how men should go about meeting
   women, but nobody seems to be giving many suggestions on how women can meet
   men.

Well, if you like mildly geeky middle aged over-intellectual white boys,
there's always me.

--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Newspaper "personals"
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:26:30
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
	<1993Jan5.194840.8107@mdd.comm.mot.com> <1ieen6INNg0i@mirror.digex.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: huston@access.digex.com's message of 6 Jan 1993 11:10:30 GMT

In article <1ieen6INNg0i@mirror.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:

   In article <1993Jan5.194840.8107@mdd.comm.mot.com> rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff) writes:
   }In article <3aO703v4c7EF00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
   }I have neighbors who met through the personals. They are in they're
   }early fifties. They told me that in their age group it's men who get
   }much more response. It seems that they are a lot less available older
   }men then older women. When my father started dating again after my
   }mother died (he was 62), he had more women than he could deal with
   }pursuing him.

   Life insurance companies still maintain separate mortality tables for
   males and females, and these reveal why your father became a scarce
   resource.

Y'know, this could be taken two ways....


--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 07:26:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1993Jan6.220416.17663@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>There's nothing wrong with being happy with a K-Mart weight set, a
>broomstick, a K-Mart telescope, or half of a broken pair of binoculars
>you found in your grandfather's attic--however, none of these are 
>examples of "high-end" equipment that would be the choice of serious
>and knowlegeable amateurs.  Ed's claim was that it was possible to get
>"high-end" sports equipment in a K-Mart, but impossible to get "high-end"
>scientific stuff. 

Actually, no. Ed was saying its far easier to get >good quality< exercise
equipment, and in a far greater quantity than scientific equipment. The
only place that one can get true 'high end' equipment is at specialty places.
And I'll agree with Ed (lord help me :) that more money is spent by your
average everyday types (since that's what we're talking about here) on
sporting equipment than on scientific equipment.
Doesn't mean that there is >nobody< (of the 'potential Ed Wright SO' set)
out there buying scientific equipment, just that they are harder to find
than if the 'potential Ed Wright SO' set containted athletic women as well.
r.