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From: ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare KA1CV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
Subject: Telephone RFI information and reports sought by ARRL HQ
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:56:01 EDT
Organization: American Radio Relay League

ARRL Atlantic Division Director Hugh Turnbull represents Amateur Radio on
the ANSI C.63 Committee that is developing voluntary standards for 
interference immunity. This group is meeting in Anaheim at the EMC Symposium
on 8/17. They plan to discuss the formulation of voluntary standards for
telephones and related equipment. Hugh wants to get information about the
interference problems that amateurs have been experiencing with telephones.

If you have had a problem with telephone interference, please send a report
to ehare@arrl.org (email or letter). (This includes problems in your own home,
not just with a neighbor.) If possible, include telephone model numbers, a 
brief description of the transmitting station (if there is one involved -- 
many interference problems stem from electrical noise), and a brief history
of what has been tried to date, or what type of filter solved the problem.

If you include your postal address, I will send you our complete RFI Package,
and refer any unresolved interference problems to your section Technical 
Coordinator (if there is a ham involved). This offer extends to any newsgroup
readers that need it, not just those who have a telephone interference
report.

Thank you for advance for your help. A handful of people here in Connecticut
can't solve the world's problems alone. We need the rest of the League (and
the amateur community) to give us the ammunition we need. If you have info
that can help, please take a few minutes to put it together and send it
off my way. It really will make a difference!

73, Ed

send to:


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Ed Hare, KA1CV                  ehare@arrl.org
American Radio Relay League
225 Main St.
Newington, CT  06111            There is no limit to what you can 
(203) 666-1541 - voice          accomplish if you don't care who
ARRL Laboratory Supervisor      gets the credit. - Harry S Truman
RFI, xmtr and rcvr testing  
-----
From: rogerm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Roger Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wanted ICOM P2AT mods
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:42:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Any one out there have any mods for an ICOM P2AT handie talkie.

				Roger Mitchell
				N0MCR
From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68 ARLB068
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:56:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <6970@lib.tmc.edu>, by jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard):
> In article <paulf.711659442@w6yx> paulf@w6yx (Paul Flaherty) writes:
>>>"American Amateur Radio League" or AARL.
>>One letter off from AARP...how appropriate.
> 
> ARRRRRGGGGGGGH!!!!!!!!
> 
> _I'm_ the ARRL, DAMMIT!!!
> 
> 
> (Argh. I'm getting Goddamned tired of reading that kind of crap.)


There is only one problem with the Ostrich approach Jay and that is
the simple counts to provide the demographics behind Paul's statement
are not subject to interpretation, either emotionally or literally.

Amateur radio is aging at an incredible rate as we are losing relevance to
today's youth.  The recent attempts to do something about this seem to
be basically stopping the slide into smaller and smaller numbers as the
amateur population dies off.  Rest assured that we had all better provide
active support to Fiber Optic networks, etc. for most telecommunications
services outside of Land Mobile if we are to relieve the pressure on
amateur radio spectrum, and we must also ACTIVELY seek new approaches
to attracting the youth of the world to amateur radio.

Bob
From: stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Summary: 911 calls
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:13:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul26.051222.14714@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
> On the other hand, dialing 911 via an autopatch will often result in
> emergency response units being sent to the *repeater* location. Even
> if you explain to the dim bulb answering the phone that you are calling
> from a mobile unit, they will still push the button that transfers the
> location information to the police or fire department. That information
> is the *repeater's* address. Then the repeater *trustee* starts getting
> $100 fines for false emergency calls and discontinues autopatch service.
> 
> Gary KE4ZV

That's why we don't use 911 around here but rather direct dial to
the appropriate agency!  

In fact, I can hardly wait for the phone system we're installing
on my repeater.  The phone is actually going to be located in
at the police station ;-)    I'll bet that is going to get some
interesting comments from the dispatchers ;-)

Steve KA6S
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:29:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Paul W Schleck KD3FU writes:
> Asking the FCC is dangerous business, and is best left to the experts.

You seem to be saying "If you don't ask, they can't say no".  I see you 
point, but I have to disagree with you.  What if they really did object to 
music on hold, and expressed their objection in the form of one of those 
$20,000 fines they're throwing around these days.  I would rather do 
what's right and obey the rules (as I'm sure you would, too) than take 
chances by flirting around the edges of poorly understood regulations.  If 
music on hold is against the rules, then it's against the rules whether I 
ask about it or not.  "Let sleeging dogs lie" is a dangerous philosophy; 
they can wake up and bite you.

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
************************
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lapin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Lapin)
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Summary: WRONG! He attacked CB (maybe he is a ham?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:23:21 GMT

In article <cchapman.88.712245509@matd.gatech.edu> cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman) writes:
>In article <pschleck.712105383@cwis> pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:
>>From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
>>Subject: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
>>Date: 25 Jul 92 23:03:03 GMT
>
>>The following caught my eye as a "Moderator's Note" in the moderated
>>newsgroup comp.dcom.telecom.  The moderator is Pat Towson, a notorious
>>flame-baiter (as well as moderator of a great newsgroup, go figure...).
>>It's probably just as well, he's insulted just about every *OTHER*
>>sub-culture of loyal Telecom Digest readers, it was only a matter of
>>time before he came to us.
>
>>The note was in response to a post by Cliff Stoll (K7TA) about how the
>>Internet and the people who run it have to be a lot more street-smart
>>with the invasion of crackers over the years.  I agree with the points
>>Cliff made, but Pat chimes in with this uncalled-for blow against ham
>>radio:
>
>>>[Moderator's Note: Well Cliff, the Internet community had a lot of
>>>trust between people for many years until the BBS'er/malicious hacker
>>>type person found out about it and began abusing the trust. It reminds
>>>me of how ham radio *used* to be until the CB'ers started moving in.  PAT]
>>      ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^
>
>
>Why does comp.dcom.telecom have to have a moderator anyway?  It's only
>purpose seems to be to give this Pat guy the opportunity to play god and
>control the discussion.  I think someone should start a new unmoderated
>dcom group so there can be free and open discussion on the subject.  I
>know there is an alt.dcom group but not everyone has access to the alt
>groups.
>
>Chuck, WB4UIH

Chuck, I think someone missed the point of this.  Pat seems to be comparing
the old (good) Internet community to the old (good) ham radio community and
the new (bad) hackers to the (bad) CBers. {Words in parentheses are not
necessarily my opinions, only my interpretations of Pat's}.

I'm not interested in starting a flame war, and don't even care to read
alt.dcom, but that's how I read the moderator's comment.  Maybe he is a
ham?

Why is a discussion of USENET policies on rec.radio.amateur.misc?

Greg KD9AZ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pcl@engrserver.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Subject: Re: HTX202 in shop since June 8 8-( 8-(
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:03:11 GMT

I went back to the store last Friday, the day that they had been told
that the radio would be back.  It wasn't.  They called Ft. Worth who
said "Oh, the part should be in August 20" (!).  I said "Not!".  The
manager said "Ahl see whut ah kin do".  I went home.  He called back
and said that the Repair Boys authorized my getting a new unit, so I
did.  End of story.  Happy ending.  Happy customer.  8-)  8-)

Chalk one up for Radio Shack. 

Peter Laws            |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|    pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: tube numbers
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:19:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul30.155501.10431@kodak.kodak.com> ornitz@kodak.kodak.com (Barry Ornitz) writes:
>In article <Bs66BM.Jys@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 
>(Roger Taylor) writes:
>
>A few of these tubes are still manufactured in the US by the employee owned
>company that bought out GE's plant in Lexington, KY, when GE closed the plant.

What's this company's name?

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu
From: rolfe@w3vh.UUCP (Rolfe Tessem)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Nasty Hams
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 18:23:57 GMT
Organization: 

jkearman@arrl.org writes in article <295@arrl.org>:
> 
> Jim, N5IAL, writes:
>  
> >I've been thinking about some of the things you've said, and have a few
> >more comments here.....  this whole bit really bugs me....  there is no
> >excuse, period, for people behaving that way --- it is NOT what Amateur
> >Radio is all about.
> 
> I agree. Unfortunately, this is not a new phenomenon. My General
> call in 1963 was WB2EDW. I lived in the Buffalo, NY area. There
> was a nearby ham (I think his call was W2OY), who would call CQ
> on 75 AM, with these conditions: No kids, no lids, no space cadets,
> no WB2s. 

Yes, that was the call, and yes, those were the days :-).  OTOH,
14.313 kinda makes W2OY seem tame by comparison, don't you think?
--
Rolfe Tessem               Lucky Duck Productions
rolfe@w3vh.UUCP            17 St. Luke's Place, NYC, NY 10014
rolfe@ldp.com              212-463-0029
From: kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok)
Subject: Re: Need info about QSL card companies
Organization: speech research and technology, sri international
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:34:27 GMT

Nancy Rabel (KC4IYD) asks:

>  ... I would like to get information about the QSL card
>  manufacturer that your company or local ham club uses ...
>    1) We would be ordering 1000 or more cards for our first order. 
>    2) We need someone who does custom work and accepts color pictures
>
>  Any info, name, prices, your personal views, reliability, etc
>  about the company is also welcome.

This info may not help you, but what I say below worked for me:

I have been using a printing shop in Japan, which does exactly what you
want.  The name of the place is:

	Onoue Insatsu
	5311-1 Hirose-cho, Shimosuwa, Suwa-gun, Nagano 393, Japan

They charge 12,000 yen for the first 1,000 cards plus 1,500 yen for
shipping within Japan.  This is about 108 dollars for 1,000 cards.  

I've ordered my personal QSL card (for N6UOK) here, and also my club
stations card (for W6YX).  I paid 60,300 yen for 5,000 cards (that's 9.7
cents per card) when I ordered cards for my club station.  I had people
hand-carry some of the cards to California, so I did save on shipping.

This company has proved fast, reliable, and low-cost.  I got the cards one
week after placing my order.  No mistakes (although the instructions were
rather detailed), and good quality, too.

If you know somebody in Japan who can help you, maybe this will work out.

-goh-

----------------- Speech Research Program, SRI, Menlo Park, CA 94025-3493 USA
--- Goh Kawai --- work:(415)859-2231   fax:(415)859-5984   home:(415)323-7214
----------------- internet: kawai@speech.sri.com      radio: n6uok and jk1zyp
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Paul Wade (N1BWT) or Greg Bassett (KJ6EP) - please reply!
From: rusty@anasaz (Rusty Carruth)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: rusty@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

Paul or Greg:

I've got your tape here I'm doing for Fred for  your copy of
the Callsign project data (don't ask why I'm making tapes when 
I supposedly had Fred do them all :-), and the tape is not big 
enough.

I either need a bigger tape or you need to be able to take
compressed data, or something....  Please email or call so
we can get your data to you!  Thanks!

And, to the rest of the net - sorry for the bandwidth, but
they did not include a phone number or email address in their
package...

Thanks and 73 de rusty n7ikq

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      (602) 870-3330         !'s:{ames!ncar!noao!asuvax,mcdphx}!anasaz!rusty
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: awpaeth@watpix.waterloo.edu (Alan Wm Paeth)
Subject: Re: Origin of NOAA? (Was Re: amateurs in history)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:15:44 GMT

In article <70284@apple.Apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
>
>This reminds me--I've wondered how NOAA got its name. It's unusual to
>see such humor on the part of a government agency. :-)  Anyone know??
>

The National Oceanographic and Aeronautic Association does own/operate the
US Weather Service, but their major work is in charting the ocean: depths,
salinity and such. Its officers are in the enviable position of having world-
wide PX privileges, gov. pay grades etc. like all US military personnel, while
remaining a part of the Dept. of Agriculture and not Defense (*). They also
receive (for a shipboard tour of duty) seamanship and some piloting experience
which rivals the Coast Guard's standards and exceeds the merchant marine's
(who unfortunately does not grant reciprocity to former NOAA officers).

   /Alan W Paeth
   VE3AWP/KD3XG

* - Defense-wise, they occasionally get placed in "hot" locations during time
    of peace, ostensibly to revise an old chart when clearly the new chart is
    of strategic value to the US Navy. (Eg, detailed straits for use by subs).
From: chhibber@andromeda.rutgers.edu (The Purple Cow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: topo maps
Keywords: topo map
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:25:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi!  This might seem like an unusual question but does anyone know where I 
can get topographical maps for New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania??
I am trying to establish commo between me and my friends when I go camping
etc.  Just something I wanna try out.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny)
Subject: USB / LSB
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:28:31 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

How come it's UPPER  sideband and LOWER  sideband?

Why isn't it  UPPER  sideband and DOWNER sideband?

Why isn't it  HIGHER sideband and LOWER  sideband?


- Enquiring minds have absolutely no interest in knowing...

( Wow, like man, I had a bummer of a contact on DOWNER sideband... )


P.S. - The old Halliscratcher rigs *did* have it marked as HSB/LSB.

--
Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?
 San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a MODEM.
tonyp@convex.com |  And what's this button for? 
WA2EAA NNNN ZCZC  |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO CARRIER
From: michaeln@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (Mike_Nason)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:15:57 PDT
Subject: Re: _._. ._. ._ .__.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

hear! hear! I'll second that statement!!!!!!!!
::the coast guard made me learn the code and I'll be damned if I know
why I sent this. 73's Mike KA7HBB
From: sci10019@nusunix2.nus.sg (YU HONG WEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: rec.shortwave
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:12:34 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore


 Sorry if this article appears more than once but I'm new to this and
 I'm not sure as to how to go about sending mails. Can anyone please
 tell me what happened to rec.shortwave? Is it being transferred to 
 another newsgroup or is it being deleted from the list due to lack 
 of response? Please help. Thanks in advance.

 ~DXer~
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Bob" Says...
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:19:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes:

>>Amateur radio is aging at an incredible rate as we are losing relevance to
>>today's youth.  The recent attempts to do something about this seem to

>well, people are living longer and most people tend to be amateur radio 
>operators for the rest of their lives once they enter the program.  

Right.  Think about it:  What if amateur radio was drawing new members 
continuously, an equal percentage of each age group?  That is, .01%/yr
of the 0-5 age group, .01% of the 6-10 year olds, .01% of 11-15, etc.
etc.  In a few decades, the average age of the ham population would
be much greater than the population at large.  Since most people keep
their ham licenses indefinitely once they pass the test, we will always
be older than the average.

AL N1AL
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.misc:12721 rec.radio.cb:725
From: jsm@n4vu.UUCP (John Miller - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:12:28 GMT
Organization: Universal Consulting -- Fayetteville, GA

mike@hernix.org (Mike Herman) writes:
> However,
> due to the amount of knuckleheads I've found on 2 meters around here, I no 
> longer talk on any of the local 2 meter repeaters.
> 73 de 2b8evi

Well, Mike, I can certainly sympathise.  But should we abandon our frequencies
to the "knuckleheads" or take them back?  I'm reminded of a quote -- something
along the lines of:

	"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
	 is for good men [people] to do nothing."

It's our choice.  
73, from
--
John Miller                   Fayetteville                Voice: (404) 676-4189
jsm@n4vu.UUCP                 (Atlanta) GA                 Data: (404) 964-5277
From: driver8@red-eft.uucp (Hugh D. Stegman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
Summary: S T O O P I D!!!
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:01:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Perfect Beach No Need To Know


In article <lzcm!ph.stevew@netcom.com> stevew@netcom.com (Steven Wilson) writes:

>Yep,  they are considering changing the name to something like
>"American Amateur Radio League" or AARL.
>
>So What da ya all think?

I think it's the stupidest idea they've ever had.  Sorry, guys, but why waste
the dough for new letterheads, badges, etc?  Not like you're selling fast food.

And AARL sounds like AARP.........   (so they can't be worried about their
demographics.)

Hugh NV6H
From: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com ("Jim Reisert, AD1C")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Upcoming DXAC vote on Abu-Ail
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:53:14 GMT
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Msg #384  From: KC1AG  Date: 28-Jul 1539Z  Subj: DXAC Vote on Abu-Ail

The following is a brief summary of a matter before the DXAC
for DXers in the New England Division. Comments are mine
alone. Everyone is welcome to read the note and send
comments to me, but you should also send a copy to your ARRL
Division's DXAC representative. 
 
ABU-AIL 
 
A vote on Abu Ail has been scheduled for August 24.
Unfortunately, I have no precise idea of what the DXAC will be
asked to vote upon. Dieter Loeffler DK9KD, president of
European DX Foundation (EUDXF), presented evidence in the
form of a short entry in a "Notice to Mariners" that Yemen has
installed a light on Quoin Island, one of the several islands in
the Abu Ail group. He maintains Yemen claims Abu Ail Island
and Jab Al Tair, and that the remaining islands(?) are claimed
by several other countries: Yemen, Ethiopia, Eritrea, and
perhaps Djibouti. He states that nobody really wants these.
DK9KD then draws a comparison between Abu Ail and the
Spratly Islands: they are over administered, meaning that
several nations claim the islands but no one occupies or
controls all of them. DK9KD states it is not possible to obtain
landing permission for the Yemen-controlled islands, and I
gather no other country will issue landing permissions for
islands they are alleged to claim. 
 
The EUDXF acted as the licensing authority for Abu Ail when it
was under control of the Red Sea Lights Company, and the
EUDXF began assigning call signs beginning with the
A15-prefix after talks with the DARC. It is uncertain just
how the EUDXF (or the DARC) obtained this authority. EUDXF 
took over from the Djibouti S.A.R.L. when it went out of
existence. 
 
Insofar as I can find, over administration has never been
actually used as a justification for retaining the Spratly
Islands. However, it is a term that has found its way into DX
vocabulary without any basis in written DXCC rules. (If you
have documentation on this point, please let me know ASAP.) 
 
Should the Yemen-controlled islands be deleted? There has
been a change in administration or control, but perhaps not of
all of the islands. Should the DXAC recommend another Spratly
Islands be created with the name "Red Sea Islands"? Or should
the whole lot be deleted after the change in the
administration of Abu-Ail, forcing any potential New Ones to
meet the present criteria? 
 
Efforts are underway to delay a vote until additional
information is received, but there is reason to believe the
chairman of the DXAC will proceed with the vote. Please send
your comments and any information you have on the above to
me ASAP. Thanks and 73. 
 
Bill Shipp, KC1AG, NE Representative to the DXAC