HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barle@central.rutgers.edu (Stanko Barle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Ivanisevic's boasting
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:18:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu writes:
>>>>3. This is what bugs me the most: Because he is Croatian, he's
>>>>   got a group of flag-waving Croatian entourage cheering wildly for
>>>>   him at important matches.  It's as if he's out there fighting
>>>>   against the world for his country, which is actually engaged in a
>>>>   brutal (civil) war.  I don't like to see flag-waving except at
>>
>>       What is wrong with flag-waving.  Their relatives are at home
>>       dying.  If mine were dying here in the U.S., and the rest of the
>>     world ignored the atrocities, I would certainly take any and every
>>       opportunity to bring it to the world's attention.
>The headline of an article in today's L.A. Times says: "Croatia
>Accused of Complicity in Serb 'Cleansing' of Muslims".  War or no
war,
>a sports event is not the right forum for political demonstration.
>Besides, in this case, I think they don't want outside interference!

You should take much more care in making your political
statements.Instead of staring at this headline just consider
the fact that Croatia is housing over 700,000 refugees, most of
them being Bosnian Muslims. Comparing the size and population
of Croatia and the USA: Croatia houses as many refugees as USA
would if it supported 30 million refugees ( and USA recently
agreed to accept 1,000 Bosnians and made a big deal about it ).

And over 90% of the atrocities during the war in Croatia and in
Bosnia-Herzegovina were attributed (by independent agencies) to
the Serbian side - yet the world did almost nothing. Now, it is
much easier to try to distribute the blame equally among all
sides and then sit and do nothing - that way you feel no moral
obligation.

At this moment Ivanisevic doesn't expect any outside
intervention, at least not in Croatia (although it was more
than necessary last year). Croatia is a country that most of
the people, especially in the United States (as I could
experience) never heard of. And the headlines like the one you
cited make those people say "Oh, I don't want to read about
these crazy savages. They all just go on killing each other."
Well, that impression is what Ivanisevic stands against.

I apologize for posting so much politics to this group. But,
the statements like

>War or no war, a sports
>event is not the right forum for political demonstration

mean absolutely nothing. You simply cannot separate the
first-class sport (and first-class tennis) from money and
politics.

Ivanisevic at least has some idea other than money to fight for.


Stanko Barle



P.S. I apologize again for all this politics that most of the
readers don't like to see, but these things just had to be
writen.
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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Becker routs Ivanisevic!!!
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:48:01 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA



WHAT TIME IS IT?  IT'S *BOOM BOOM* TIME!!!!


     The time has come my fellow Becker fans, to hit back at all the
criticism we faced from anti-Becker dolts. And may those so called
"Becker fans" who deserted him when he was going through a bad time,
roast in the fires of hell!!

     Now where are those cynics, those foolish nincompoops, those mentally
underdeveloped morons who called Becker a burnout?? Why are they so
quiet? Don't those bozos have anything to say? 

Go Becker Go!!!  Boom Boom!!

                                  From a "true" and "diehard" Becker fan.
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From: mliu@shasta.ucsb.edu (Liu;Mei-Ling;L.;CS Grad Student;;COMS;Graduate;930630;;500)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Paris Indoor semi match up (Re: Weekend TV Schedule)
Keywords: Paris
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:11:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <1992Nov7.112140.21808@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>Well, Becker beat Courier and Forget beat Edberg. (Edberg was leading
>Forget 7-6, 5-1 with two match points but then lost the second set
>6-7 and the third set 3-6!) However, the semi final match up is
>actually Becker-Ivanisevic and Forget-Halsek. Hopefully, ESPN will
>show the "right" semi.
Well, they didn't.  They showed the Forget match, and it was less than
inspiring.  

My hat off to Boris Becker: he pulled it off in a big way.

About the Edberg upset: One of ESPN's commentators said it was the most
stunning comeback of the year.  Talk about ironies in tennis: you
do recall that Stefan is the guy who won the recent U.S. Open by
pulling off all those comebacks, don't you?  He even had two match points
in the 2nd set.   
I still can't believe it.
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From: chrisp@mercedes.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Puscasiu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Paris Results: November 3
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:00:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <73668@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G) writes:
>> I'm confused.  So far I have seen neither Becker nor Agassi in the results.
>> Has Becker given up on the ATP Championships?
>
>Becker plays John McEnroe probably tonight or tomorrow.  
>
>Agassi has been knocked out of the tournament.  Today Brad Gilbert defeated
>him by the score of 6-1 6-2 (no typos).

This menas that Becker needs 200 pts to qualify for the Masters, which 
should be approximately th e semi's.  Is that true??

Of course there are 2 questions left:
	-did Agassi play Paris last year (if so how did he do?)
	-did Becker play Paris last year ( " "   "   "  "  "  )

If both played and Agassi did very well or Becker did really bad then 
things don't look too bad for the crowd in Germany to see their hero...:)

Big Mac is a tough 1st round though...

Go Boris! Go Bears!
Cp


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From: groenewo@fwi.uva.nl (Ferry van het Groenewoud)
Subject: Re: Backspins
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:14:26 GMT

yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:

>A few previous articles discussed how to hit topspin and slicing shots.
>I usually alternate between two-handed topspin and slicing shots in my
>backhand, to make my opponent running up and down. When I hit a slicing
>shot deep into the corner, I go up to the net and hope to get a chance to
>volley. Now, sometimes when the return is not very powerful, I can put a
>*lot* of backspin and sideway spin on the ball using it as a drop shot.
>This is very easy for me to hit and very effective because even if the ball
>does not go to where I want it to go, it bounces sideway and is very hard 
>for my opponent to return(especially if it's low).

>Why don't I see any pro players using this kind of spin?

>Frank

Because proplayers are quick enough to chase down the kind of dropshot
you are playing: an uncontrolled one going in a big arc, hitting the
area of your opponent not directly behind the net, but some feet further.

Also, they don't have problem with sidespin :)

Ferry
From: mliu@shasta.ucsb.edu (Liu;Mei-Ling;L.;CS Grad Student;;COMS;Graduate;930630;;500)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Borg to appear in LA
Keywords: Borg
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:04:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

According to an advertisement in today's LA Times:
The ADVENTA TOUR comes to the LA Tennis Club, December 3-6.
The ad shows a picture of Borg and mentioned him along with
Roscoe Tanner, Vitas Gerulatis, Bob Lutz, Harold Solomon, John
Lloyd and Peter Fleming, "all competing for their share of their
$100,000 purse."  
Tickets available at Ticketmaster.
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From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Becker as a german hero
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:34:00 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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Just one statement:
After winning in Wimbledon for the first time in 1985, you
could see Becker on the title page of every newspaper or
magazine. It was the summer sensation in 1985. In the view
of the mass media, he was (and still is) the german hero.
Even Bundespraesident R. v. Weizsaecker talked to him and
wished him good luck for the rest of his career.

Stefan


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From: zhangl@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: don't worry
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:05:02 GMT

Every fan loves the game in his/her own way. Some with passion, others with
reason ( or at least they think they do). But most fans are sort of in-betwwen
these two extremes. There is really no need to claim which is the better way to
cherish a game like tennis. Love her in your own way and enjoy what you think
is best, and, as one mentioned before, you can always kill whatever you don't
like to read. I would assume that making people around the world commit not to
post this or that is not that essential or proper. Actually, mixed views of
point and styles would make this place more interesting. 

Since most of us do have a life except this sport-going, and life is tough
usually. I can't help thinking that passions we release here for the game helps
to compensate our daily serious routine. Maybe that's why seemingly-non-expert
crowds make a sport popular.

I appreciate greatly those who really study the game technically and/or
politically. They respect the game. Only that there is really no need to worry
about passions shwon here by people with different stlyles.   So-so
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Weekend TV Schedule
Keywords: Paris
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:27:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rat.1992Nov06.162757.16492
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, UCSB

In article <1992Nov6.144756.26578@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>Based on the draws posted to this group, after all the upsets earlier,
>the remaining draw is top heavy. We might see a Becker-Edberg or
>Courier-Edberg match in the semi. I assume that ESPN will show only
>one of the two semis; hopefully that is the semi ESPN will show.
>
That would make me very happy.  But I wouldn't be so sure yet.  
Forget has been playing well; he beat Sampras last week, remember?
Also, he's on home turf, and the French are not going to cut Stefan
any slack, for sure.  Plus: Edberg has not been all that solid.
He needed 3 sets to get rid of Medvedev (losing the second one at
1-6, although he won the other two at same score).  Then yesterday
he had to "struggle to avoid joining the long list of upsets", as I 
heard on the news."  In fact, he was down by 2 set points in the
2nd set, and then by 1-5 at the tiebreaker, before he came back to
win the 2nd set at 7-6(8-6).

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~  his first match point, before he hit the volley behind you,~
~  were you trying to put the ball anywhere particular on the ~
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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: Main/Cross string tension difference
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:09:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.213224.17593@news.cs.indiana.edu> "kwansik kim" <kkim@thresher.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>I'm sure "main/cross string" is the right term but you know
>some people string their vertical and horizontal string with
>different tension. Does this kind of stringing have some 
>benefit ?  I'm trying to lower the tension this time since
>my groundies flies short constantly. I strung my Pro Staff
>Classic with 58 lbs. If I go lower,I might be losing considerable
>amount of control. Thus I'm basically hoping that stringing
>cross/main differently might be the way I go. 

I have found that it is of very little benefit unless it was part of the
design of the frame. Some frames have different tensions for mains and
crosses, but very few. I can see the case for making the crosses a wee bit
tighter to strenghten the string bed and add a little control, since power
is mainly a function of the main strings. However, it is not recommended
to string outside of the manufacturers stringing pattern.
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From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: WHY WOULD SOME RACQUETS B
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:18:34
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: jeff.kling@brent.uucp's message of 9 Nov 92 23:54:00 GMT

In article <3356.318.uupcb@brent.uucp> jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling)  writes:

 [....]

   A widebody
   makes it much easier for a beginner to pick up the game and start
   enjoying it and playing well in a greatly reduced time over conventional
   beam designs.
 
Not disagreeing, but are you basing this on experience or is this a
theoretical judgement.  Either way, what makes it easier?  

[...]

jim taylor   Thinking Machines Corporation   Cambridge MA
From: dt90jpb@brunel.ac.uk (Jonathon P Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: the Donnay ULTIMATE PRO and other power racquets
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:06:00 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]




      I'm probably stating the obvious here,
	       but playing with such a widebody racquet
		  considerably reduces string life.

		  You probably know this already.

      Another thing, I played against a guy who played 
      with an Ultimate Pro, in a tournament.

       He hit the ball like a rocket with it.
		  Need I say more?
			
			Jon. 
			
			....
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: WTA Women's Money Leaders: November 8th
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:27:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov10.134904.16994@cs.wayne.edu>, faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felic
itas A. Atabong) writes:
>In article <gate.as6ZTB1w165w@knex.Gwinnett.COM> gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM writes:
>>WOMEN'S TENNIS LEADING MONEY WINNERS
>>       (THROUGH NOVEMBER 8TH)
>>
>>10. Larisa Savchenko        $366,602
>>
>Who is she?? I didn't find her name in the top 50.
>
From former Soviet Union - I don't remember if she is now from Russia or maybe
Latvia.  Pretty good doubles player which is most likely a good part of her
earnings.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:28:16 EST
From: <DFY101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: who's playing when?

Thanks guys for the tv schedule!  Does anyone know the schedule for the ATP Cha
mpionships, ie. when Edberg plays Sampras, Courier plays Ivanisevic?  or when t
he top women play their first matches?  Please post if you know because I would
 love to set the VCR for my favorites: Sabatini (always plays great in the Big
Apple) and Edberg (I think he has the game to go all the way like he did in
1989 at MSG).  They may not be playing the best right now, but you can count on
 them to make the semis or final (although Sabatini would have to beat Capriati
 and Seles).  Also, if anyone has access to tournament programs or knows haw to
send away for them, please send info or addresses to the posting board.

                                    thanks in advance,
                                     Superfrosh in Joepa's backyard
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From: root@snehvide.auc.dk (Operator)
Subject: Re: STEFFI GRAFF
Summary: Kenneth Carlsen ATP 67
Reply-To: root@snehvide.auc.dk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:31:59 GMT

Keywords: Lookout for this fast left handed player who beat a manchini 6-4,6-7,6-4,7-6
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Becker, ATP
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:57:31 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Becker, ATP

In article <7NOV199213451102@zeus.tamu.edu>, svb0224@zeus.tamu.edu (BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY V) writes:
|> 
|>         Now that Becker defeated Courier ( Becker is now 3-0 in career
|>    meetings with Courier ) and made it to the semis at Paris, what are
|>    his chances of making it to the ATP in Frankfurt?  Does he have to 
|>    win the tournament or is a semi final appearance good enough for him?
|> 
|>    Thanks.
|> 
|>    Sridhar(always for Becker).
|> 
|> 
|> 

Correction: a commentator on TV said the head-to-head between
Becker and Courier is now 5-0.
He won the Paris Open (7-6, 6-3, 3-6, 6-3) and is ranked No. 5
now. He's definetely qualified for the ATP final.

Stefan
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: 1992 Virginia Slims Championship (Masters) Draw
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:28:15 GMT


                   1992 Virginia Slims Championship Draw

             Seles (1) --------+
                               |--------+
               Tauziat --------+        |
                                        |--------+
               Novotna --------+        |        |
                               |--------+        |
    M.J. Fernandez (6) --------+                 |
                                                 |--------+
          Sabatini (3) --------+                 |        |
                               |--------+        |        |
                   #15 --------+        |        |        |
                                        |--------+        |
                   #16 --------+        |                 |
                               |--------+                 |
          Capriati (7) --------+                          |
                                                          +--------> Champion
   Sanchez-Vicario (5) --------+                          |
                               |--------+                 |
              Garrison --------+        |                 |
                                        |--------+        |
     Maleeva-Fragniere --------+        |        |        |
                               |--------+        |        |
       Navratilova (4) --------+                 |        |
                                                 |--------+
          Martinez (8) --------+                 |
                               |--------+        |
            K. Maleeva --------+        |        |
                                        |--------+
                McNeil --------+        |
                               |--------+
              Graf (2) --------+


Two slots remain to be filled depending on the results from tournaments
this week. Frazier, Huber, Sukova or Zvereva might still be eligible.


This tournament will be held at the Madison Square Garden (MSG) in
New York City next week. In the US, several affiliates of the Prime
Network such as MSG/MSG2, NESN, etc. will cover (almost) the entire
tournament live starting at 7pm EST on Monday, November 16. Bud Collins
was a commentator last year :-(.

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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: I AM PERSONALLY DISAPPOIN
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

1. I agree with your sentiments.

2. As you are the coach for Squash up there, could you make any
recommendations (equipment and technique) for someone wanting to take it
up for the winter season?  Thanks.  Also, are there any books, or
electronic files on the subject?

J
                                                                                                               
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From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Why would some racquets be more powerful than the other
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:26:37 GMT

The properties of a tennis racquet that will affect the speed of the ball
after impact are most likely its weight distribution and its string tension.
Therefore the trick behind the widebody design is simply by making the head
thicker, more weight is concentrated in the head, hence more momentum 
gathered during the swing and more momentum transferred to the ball upon
impact. 

If this is true, why would they call the widebody a 'revolution'?
Can't they add a few grams to the head of any old racquets instead
of selling the widebody with twice the price?

Frank
From: doppenh1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Dan Oppenheim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Hello
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:32:25 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Hi,  I just wanted to introduce myself to the rest of you who read these
files.  I'm a freshman on the tennis team here at Swarthmore College, and I
am also a USRSA Certified Stringer, and an umpire.  I am just trying to
send this and if it works, I am sure I'll send more messages in the future.

Dan
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