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From: jonesm@nic.cerf.net (Matthew Jones)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: Hello?
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:46:00 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

In article <viking.703485717@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>In <2875@ub.d.umn.edu> jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy C. Remer) writes:
>
>>Is this a invalid news group, or is this a VERY low traffic group?
>
>have yet to see much on here that wouldn't be seen on sci.engineering

Really, maybe I should subscribe?
Tell me more!

>
>Metalworking Note: I've been told that a three-finger chuck is not
>considered capable of producing precision parts, and that only a four-
>finger chuck will do so.  What's the scoop on this?  I gotten to within
>1/100" on the previous, so what can the 4-finger do?  Is it worth it?

If you are talking about lathe chucks...I think its three/four jaw not
finger. Self centering three jaws are not considered to self center very well.
If you want real accuracy you need a four jaw and a dial indicator.
But what a pain it probably takes the better part of an hour to center
a rod in a 4 jaw. 1/100" is actually not very good if you making model
engines for example. Generally 1/1000" is considered the pretty good.
My lathe has a runout of about 4/10,000. But neither of my chucks are
that good...but my collets are :-).

In any case a 4 jaw is much more versitile (sp) than a three jaw.
For example it can hold rectangular pieces and hold rods off center
so you can machine crankshaft eccentrics (sp?) and that is only the begining.
If you can only afford one the general consensus is to get the four
jaw.

Good to see some activity

Matthew Jones 
jonesm@cerf.net
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Hello?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:41:57 GMT

In <2875@ub.d.umn.edu> jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy C. Remer) writes:

>Is this a invalid news group, or is this a VERY low traffic group?

This is a VERY low traffic group.  While I like to mess around at
the lathe, casting bench, and anvil every now and again, I really
have yet to see much on here that wouldn't be seen on sci.engineering
or similar groups.  I don't know why, but them's the breaks.

Metalworking Note: I've been told that a three-finger chuck is not
considered capable of producing precision parts, and that only a four-
finger chuck will do so.  What's the scoop on this?  I gotten to within
1/100" on the previous, so what can the 4-finger do?  Is it worth it?

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
From: jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy C. Remer)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Hello?
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth. Information Services.

Is this a invalid news group, or is this a VERY low traffic group?



Just curious....


-- 
University of Minnesota, Duluth.
Jeremy Remer
E-mail  jremer@ub.d.umn.edu
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
From: weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka)
Subject: weld my own radiator.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:37:00 GMT


I have always wanted to do a little welding.
My radiator  leaks along the seam at the top.
Will the cost of welding equipment balence the cost of having
someone else fix it?  (I can get estimates for repair so really
want to know...)
  What welding equipment is good for the very occasional welder
and what can I expect to pay.
thanks,
-Ted
From: okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Phil OKunewick)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: SOLDER, not WELD your own radiator.
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:15:11 GMT
Organization: Random, at best


   Dudes, you don't weld a radiator.  You _solder_ it.  All the equipment
you need is available in the plumbing section of your local department
store.

   An oxy-acetylene torch will destroy your radiator.  The heat you put
on it will melt and weaken every joint within a 3" radius of the patch,
and will corrode the metal you want to solder.  Use a propane torch
instead.

   Trouble is, soldering involves much metal prep, and can be a lot
more complicated than welding steel.  If you have a leaky seam, you
usually have to completely open it, clean, flux, and tin it, then
solder it together.  A caustic bath may avoid the hassle of opening
the seam, but most people don't have one of these handy.  If you don't
fully submerse the radiator, applying a caustic or acid solution to
the leak to clean it usually leaves you with a mess of lead oxide that
doesn't like to be soldered anyway.  (You've got two dissimilar metals
exposed - one will corrode while the other gets cleaned.)

   If it's a crack, scrub the area down to shiny metal (sand the paint
off), tin it, then apply a tinned metal patch.  The patch should be at
least 1/2" larger than the crack in all directions, and should fit the
metal _perfectly_.  The strength of soldering comes from a large surface
area.

   You can use high-strength silver solder for tiny cracks (available
for repairing air conditioners); this should be done carefully since
the heat required may mess up nearby tin-lead joints.

   For pressure testing - rubber stoppers, a tire pump, and a bathtub are
all you need.  Just keep the pressure reasonable - 60 PSI is far too much.
The radiator will never go over 16 PSI, so pressure testing to 30 PSI is
all you need.

   Now, here's the rest of the story - it won't work.  A 15-year-old
radiator is usually pretty corroded on the inside - the thin tubes on
the core are now tissue-thin in places - pressure testing will open
these spots, and as fast as you can patch one, another will open up.
You're better off with stop-leak additive or a lower pressure radiator
cap, but both of these methods reduce your cooling capacity.

   I've repaired radiators, with some success.  A leak on a relatively
new radiator can be repaired.  An old radiator can have its core
replaced.  But a leaky old radiator is usually beyond hope of any
patching.
From: jonesm@nic.cerf.net (Matthew Jones)
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
Subject: Re: weld my own radiator.
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:58:48 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

In article <1992Apr17.123700.25308@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka) writes:
>
>I have always wanted to do a little welding.
>My radiator  leaks along the seam at the top.
>Will the cost of welding equipment balence the cost of having
>someone else fix it?  (I can get estimates for repair so really
>want to know...)
>  What welding equipment is good for the very occasional welder
>and what can I expect to pay.
>thanks,

Last time I got my radiator welded it cost me less that $50. You won't get
much welding equipment for $50.

In any case:I don't know what a radiator is made of but...Gas is the cheapest
depending on the material and heat required you can pick the gas propane,
mapp, acetelene (sp) maybe with oxygen. Gas is considered to be obsolete
and anyway it is hard (gas is still used for cutting and heat treating).
Actually it might be illegal to use gas welding on a car because of the 
potential to screw up the temper of the metal.
If the radiator is steel than a MIG welder is good. A home set will
cost about $600 and it is really easy. And if you buy it at a weling shop
they will give you lots of good advice and probably let you practice
on their equipment in the store.

Unless your really serious heliarc and TIG are expensive and hard.

Talk to your local welding shop the guy at the local shop here is
excellent.

Good Luck 
If you buy one let us know what you bought and how you like it.

Matthew Jones
jonesm@cerf.net
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower)
Subject: re: fixing your own radiator
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:35:49 GMT


Yes, you can weld your own radiator. But, it might not work. You'll want
to get the core boiled out first, then clean it up and seal the seam. I've
used fluxed rod for this - but like I said, it didn't work. The tricky
part is the pressure testing that "should" be done before you put it in your
car - don't worry, if you don't have a tank and compressor to test it - it'll
get tested AFTER you've installed it. Of course, if the test fails, you've
got to take it back out. Your car radiator is under pressure, and when they 
do this in the radiator shop it's done with air with the radiator under
water and a compressor hooked up. I think the pressure for testing is around
25 lbs. PSI - but you should check on this. I haven't done this in about
three years.

Last time I had mine fixed, it cost me about $15 to have it boiled out,
fixed right (after I had tried) and tested. I doubt I'll ever try to do
it again myself. The guy in the shop ONLY fixes radiators, and is really
well set up to do this. 

good luck...rich cower
Newsgroups: trial.rec.metalworking
From: okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Phil OKunewick)
Subject: Re: SOLDER, not WELD your own radiator.
Organization: Random, at best
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:20:29 GMT

okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Me) writes:
>
>   For pressure testing - rubber stoppers, a tire pump, and a bathtub are
>all you need.  Just keep the pressure reasonable - 60 PSI is far too much.
>The radiator will never go over 16 PSI, so pressure testing to 30 PSI is
>all you need.

...forgot to mention - the bathtub is full of water; the radiator is
full of compressed air.  It'll float - you have to hold it down.  If
it's too big for the tub, test one side at a time.
From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: testing again
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: The Funny Farm
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Did this have Organization?
From: titi@essai.com
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: test
Date: 7 Apr 1992 05:39:25 GMT
Organization: Essai International
NNTP-Posting-Host: lumina.ucsd.edu
Keywords: essai
Originator: titi@essai.com
Originator: usenet@lumina.ucsd.edu

Titi.
Essai.

NO EMAIL
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From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: reminder
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


this is just a reminder to myself of how the process works.
T.
From: titi@essai.com
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: test
Date: 7 Apr 1992 05:31:46 GMT
Organization: Essai International
Distribution: world
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Keywords: essai
Originator: usenet@lumina.ucsd.edu

Titi.
Essai.

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From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: more testing
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

More testing of useless information.
Newsgroups: trial.test
From: A8721GAJ@vm.univie.ac.at (Osiander MEIXNER)
Subject: mytesT
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:21:12 GMT

This is  a Test|
From: v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: Re: reminder
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.183458.28847@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS) writes...
> 
>this is just a reminder to myself of how the process works.
>T.
Another reminder of how the follow feature works. Aud - you reading this?
T.
Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:22:29 GMT

I don't feel that the concerned student at UC desire to prohibt the KKK's 
speech, my reading of the post was simply a call for a counterdemonstration.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dennis Pollard
Xref: sparky oh.general:173 alt.society.civil-liberty:3343
Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:17:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati


**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
**                                                                         **
**                    THE  KKK  ARE  COMING  TO CINCINNATI                 **
**                                                                         **
**   - On May 2 (Permit reads Noon)   The KKK is planning a rally in       **
**         downtown Cincinnati.                                            **
**                                                                         **
**   - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a    **
**         counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be        **
**         confrontational but not violent.                                **
**                                                                         **
**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **
**                                                                         **
**   - Obviously, everyone going has a different idea about how to express **
**         anti-racist convictions.                                        **
**                                                                         **
**   - ACT ON YOUR CONVICTIONS.  For more info, contact me;                **
**                                                                         **
**         Robb Shecter, Outreach Committee,     schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu **
**                                               P.O. Box 19671            **
**                                               Cincinnati, OH 45219      **
**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:09:32 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr10.111523.21899@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Apr9.231712.18074@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, 
|> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) said:
|> 
|> > - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a
|> > counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be
|> > confrontational but not violent.
|> 
|> > - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and
|> > defeat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.
|> 
|> "Hi there... we're a group of citizens who are concerned about the
|> Klan's negative attitudes towards the civil liberties of others, so
|> in order to protest against their attitudes we're going to try to
|> deprive them of their rights to freedom of speech."
|> 
|> Bleah.
|> 
|> -- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Well, Bill, I think you have things confused here. If the group were
interested in depriving them of their right to freedom of speech, then
they might has said something like: we'll shoot anyone who wears a
white sheet, phyically block the march, violently attack them, etc...

What they are planning on doing, it counter-demonstrate, i.e. exercise
their rights to freedom of speech as well. Perhaps you'll decide to
join the two groups and witness the exercising of rights in person.

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Newsgroups: oh.general,osu.general,osu.seminar,osu.grads
From: Richard A Weibl <rweibl@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Multicultural Teaching in the Academy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:10:24 GMT







          The Center for Teaching Excellence Multicultural Teaching Program
          and the Faculty Steering Committee present:

          Multicultural Teaching in the Academy: Passing Fad or New Paradigm?

                                      CARL A. GRANT

            Professor of Curriculum and Instruction and Afro-American Studies
                            University of Wisconsin - Madison

                                     President Elect
                     National Association for Multicultural Education

                                    10:00 am - 12 Noon
                                  Monday, April 20, 1992
                              Grand Lounge, OSU Faculty Club

          Arguing that multicultural teaching is not a fad, Professor Grant will
          discuss a new paradigm that builds on diverse backgrounds and perspec-
          tives for enhancing teaching and learning.   Professor Grant will  ex-
          plore the challenges involved in college teaching in the year 2000 and
          the  implications for the university today.   In this interactive ses-
          sion,  participants will have an  opportunity  to  examine  their  own
          teaching  as  well  as  to identify a range of strategies for teaching
          more effectively in the diverse classroom.

          Reservations requested.   Please call Center for  Teaching  Excellence
          Faculty  and  TA Development (292-3644) to indicate your desire to at-
          tend or for more information.  Tell them Ric sent you!

Newsgroups: cle.jobs,oh.general,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.misc
From: proberts@disk.uucp (Phil Roberts)
Subject: Re: Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky Headhunter Listing
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 23:01:30 GMT

Is this a joke, or what?  

What is should be called is "The One Headhunter in Cleveland and One 
Headhunter in Worthington List."
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Newsgroups: oh.general,soc.culture.jewish
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: KKK - free speech
Organization: The Tiny Software Co., via APK Public Access Unix, Cleveland
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.042621.28728@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:

>   Instead of all the argument about whether the 1st ammendment appiles to
><insert here> how about this:
>
>   If this was WWII, and I was in a Jewish guerilla group doing what it
>could to sabotage Nazi functions, this would be honorable.
>   So;  how is this different?  Are we not at war with them?  Have they not
>declared war upon us?  

Exactly. Absolutely right. We are not at war with them, therefore the first
amendment still applies (sorry for bringing that up again).

I'm Jewish too. I'm not too comfortable with the KKK, either, but, they
do have rights.

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Newsgroups: oh.general,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: KKK - free speech
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 04:26:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

   Instead of all the argument about whether the 1st ammendment appiles to
<insert here> how about this:

   If this was WWII, and I was in a Jewish guerilla group doing what it
could to sabotage Nazi functions, this would be honorable.

   So;  how is this different?  Are we not at war with them?  Have they not
declared war upon us?  

   The FBI publishes a report every year on what it calls "Terrorist Activity".
It's interesting reading.  I feel vulnerable every day I put off learning how
use use firearms.

      Robb
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: KKK - free speech (original poster)
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:40:48 GMT
Distribution: oh
Organization: University of Cincinnati



(From that "concerned person")

There's been discussion about freedom of speech.   (Now, not that I
   represent anyone but myself...)   I think this pertains ONLY to the 
   government.  In fact, I know it does.  We can't sue someone down the
   street for depriving us of our freedom of speech, but we can sue the
   government.

I've been a long time member of the ACLU.  Any freedoms (speech, right to
   bear arms, etc...) deals with the interface between any group and the
   government.  The is an important distinction.

   Robb Shecter    University of Cincinnati    schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu 
Newsgroups: oh.general,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: weyand@getafix.cs.uoregon.edu (Christopher Scott Weyand)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: U of O
	<1992Apr10.202229.28375@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.202229.28375@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:


   I don't feel that the concerned student at UC desire to prohibt the KKK's 
   speech, my reading of the post was simply a call for a counterdemonstration.

   Correct me if I'm wrong.

   Dennis Pollard


The relevant part of the post was as follows (interpret it as you see fit):

>**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **


Chris Weyand
weyand@cs.uoregon.edu

Newsgroups: oh.general
From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Subject: SGI Magic Bus
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:40:26 GMT

In case you haven't received your invitation yet, the Silicon Graphics
Magic Bus will be here in Columbus on Wednesday, April 8 from 9AM to 4PM
at the Ohio Supercomputer Center at 1224 Kinnear Road.  The bus will be
full of SGI's computers and you can see all kinds of applications
running on them.  Our company is not associated with SGI, other than we
have communications software that is available for SGI machines.
Newsgroups: oh.general