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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: is it a record?
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:23:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.005054.898@gtephx.UUCP>, sullivana@gtephx.UUCP (Anne Sullivan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.182944.6944@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:
>>
>> This is similar to another conundrum posed by advancing technology: what
>> do you call the action that you take when you initiate a phone call?
>> "Dial" seems horribly inappropriate to a push-button phone.
>> 
>"Dial", used for the action to initiate a phone call, is one of those
>words that is still used even though the exact action it applies
>to has changed.  I ran into another word like this lately, but I
>can't think of it now.  No one seems to even consider changing the 
>word "Dial" to something else.   

I've heard it suggested that we continue calling it "dial", but agree
that it's an acronym for "Digitally Initate Audio Link". 

ObFolk: Anyone know any good tunes you can play on a pushbutton phone?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Subject: Re: gorka..temporary road
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:47:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.182454.4464@vestek.com> tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis) writes:
> 
> >has anyone found/seen/bought Temporary Road (release date aug. 11) yet? 
> >i was looking last night, but the slugs (at my local tower) were still
> >unpacking the new arrivals. 
> 
> Tim, the release date has been pushed to August 27th or 25th or
> something. 
> 
> Anil Prasad
> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Gorka will be at Estes Park on 8/21/92.  I HOPE he brings a few with him!

Judy
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: "Fingerstyle" Guitarists
Date: 17 Aug 1992 18:26:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zabriskie.berkeley.edu

Okay, a few people share my natural distaste for the
term "fingerstyle" guitarist, but it seems most on r.m.f
don't seem to get it.  So, I will try to explain.

o Firstly, "fingerstyle" isn't a word.

o Whether one plays guitar with one's fingers, a flatpick, fingerpicks,
  or just a brush strum is a matter of *technique*, not *style*.
  One can play many styles of music without a pick.  There is
  no such thing as "fingerstyle".  Wes Montgomery played with
  only his thumb.  Does that make him "thumbstyle" ??

o "Fingerpicking" is more descriptive.  This means, you
  are using your thumb and at least a couple other fingers; and
  you are not using a flatpick.  A fingerpicking guitarist may or
  may not use fingerpicks.   "Fingerpicking" has been common
  terminology for at least 20 year that I know of.  It means exactly
  what it says: you are picking the strings with your fingers.
  
o Can anybody point to a well-recognized guitarist who describes
  themselves as "fingerstyle"?  I didn't think so.

o Something about the word "fingerstyle" conjures up images of
  new-age, windham-hill, yuppie music.  Get me outta here...

Steve
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:5606 rec.music.country.western:3057
From: tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.country.western
Subject: Seeking a good banjo book
Keywords: fee, fi, fiddley-i-oh
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:01:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Distribution: na
Originator: tbd@neuro.neuro.duke.edu

I've had a banjo for a couple of years now, but haven't gotten
too far learning it.  I got an instruction bok for the
3-finger method when I got the banjo, but lately I've been
thinking that it might be better (and easier) to learn
chords first, then add the finger rolls later.
So I'm looking for recommendations for books that focus
on learning chords, sort of the Pete Seeger type of
banjo playing, I guess. (By the way, can someone tell me
what clawhammer banjo is?)

Thanks for your advice.

Tristan Davies

-- 
e-mail: tbd@neuro.duke.edu
Department of Neurobiology, Duke University Medical Center

"grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! oot piffoo blaboo..." -- Opus
From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Another GORKA Question
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:50:21 GMT
Organization: Vestek Systems

In article <1992Aug13.045103.9972@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:




thanks anil,

this leads to the gazillion $ question, how did you happen upon a 
copy?  and can i have one too?



tim
tim@vestek.com




>John Gorka - Temporary Road
>High Street Records, 1992
>
>Tracks:
>Looking Forward
>Baby Blues
>The Gypsy Life
>Vinnie Charles Is Free
>Gravy Land
>Temporary Road
>All That Hammering
>I Don't Feel Like A Train
>When She Kisses Me
>Grand Larceny
>If I Could FOrget To Breathe
>Can You Understand My Joy?
>Brown Shirts
>
>Quite a lineup of musicians. The album is a bit of a departure from
>Gorka's folkier roots and into a more, I hate to use the word, but
>"pop" mode. It's still a *GREAT* album, so don't let that deter you.
>He almost does a pseudo-blues on it too! (with Roy Rogers, he better!)
>
>If you like his last record, this will certainly impress you.
>
>Anil Prasad
>wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Chicago's Folk/Celtic Music
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:03:27 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.151857.7196@honte.uleth.ca> watson@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>
>Well... I know Chi-town is THE place for Jazz and Blues, but how about folk and
>celtic music??
>
>I'm going to be in Chicago for a week in October and I'm just curious if there
>are clubs/coffeehouses that regularily schedule folk or celtic performers...
>
>Thanks,
>Carol
>
>P.S.  Any hints on where I might buy a bodhran will also be appreciated.
>


If you can find a free paper called the Reader, they usually have a
weeks worth of listings. Here's a bunch of possibilities:

Irish: Abbey Pub, 3420 W Grace  478-4408
       They do traditional Irish on Wednesday nights, and weekends

       Augenblick (so what if it sounds German). 3907 N. Damen 929-0994
       Tuesday nights (around 9pm) they do a great stuff lead by
       Martin Hayes. He's a great fiddler from Ireland. During the 2nd
       set they usually drag other musicians from the audience in.

       Duke of Perth, 2913 N Lincoln  477-1741

       Atlantic Resteraunt 7115 W. Grand  622-3259


Old Town School of Folk Music does lot's of different styles. At 909
W. Armitage, try calling 525-7793.

Out in Berwyn, Fitzgeralds does many different styles. Bonnie Koloc,
Dixieland, Zydeco, Bluegrass. 6615 W. Roosevelt Rd. 708-788-2118. 

One of the oldest is No Exit at 6970 N. Glenwoos. call 743-3355.
From: sps@email.sp.unisys.com (Steven P. Skabrat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: banjo
Keywords: banjo, models, prices
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:32:22 GMT
Organization: UNISYS - Eagan, MN

A friend of mine who plays guitar is considering expanding his musical
styles and purchasing a banjo.  Currently he plays an acoustic guitar in
a duo with another guitarist/singer.  He'd like some advice/information
on banjos.  What are the major brands? models? prices? quality?
He's interested in a five string banjo to play bluegrass or "scruggs"
type music.

email please

Thanks in advance.

Steven Skabrat                        Class of '93, William Mitchell
Paramax Systems Corporation           College of Law, St. Paul, MN
Eagan, MN

sps@planet8.sp.unisys.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: lehre@nic.csu.net
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lyrics request: I'm a Wanker
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:22:27 PDT
Organization: Geology Dept., Humboldt State University

In 1980 at a session in Alice Springs, Australia, I heard a lad from CSIROsing an extremely funny song entitled "I'm A Wanker."  I'd be grateful ifsomeone could send me the lyrics and/or give me a source reference.  Ibelieve he learned it from a record.Thanks very much.
-- 
Andre Lehre          \\    lehrea@axe.humboldt.edu (preferably)
Dept of Geology       \\   lehre@nic.csu.net
Humboldt State Univ    \\
"Well, here's another fine mess you've gotten me into!" -- Oliver Hardy
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: Thistle and Shamrock in Chicago?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171056.19065@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes...
>	Does anyone know when/if Thistle and Shamrock is broadcast in
>the Chicago area and what station it is on?

	On WBEZ, 91.5 as part of the Sunday night folk lineup. Don't remember
	exactally, but it's somewhere around 8:00 pm.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Button accordion info req
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:28:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug19.170050.27238@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mpb@terminator.cc.umich.edu (MIke Brown) writes:
>I also got the button accordion bug about a year or so ago.
>I think there is a sound and style that goes along with the button
>accordion that you just don't get with the piano (that is until
>I heard Phil Cunningham!).

The opposite is true, as well. The things that Phil Cunningham does
(the repeated notes produced by "fanning" a key) can't be done on 
buttons.

>                            If you want to play in every key,
>typical irish accordions come with 2 rows, C and C# or D and D#,
>or some variant that makes playing all of the notes possible.
 
But there are tradeoffs. The rhythm of the button accordian played in
its "native" diatonic keys tends to go away. It's necessary, in many
cases, to decide on a style, and learn it before moving onto the
next. The original poster mentioned Contra Dances. Contra Musicians
mostly play on D/G instruments, with some on A/D's. True "Irish" style
accordian is usually on a B/C (Joe Burke, Paddy O'Brien(s), Billy McKomisky)
and more rarely on C#/D (Jackie Daly), and more rarely still on D/D#. Oh
yes; in spite of all efforts, the basses on the half-step instruments
get really tricky. McKomisky has a good system developed, but work is
still under way to try and cope with a diatonic instrument with
only 8 bass buttons being played chromatically, and what happens when
the bellows are going the wrong way to catch the right chord for the
section of the chune that's being played at the moment. 

Jimmy Shand (and John Kirkpatrick) developed the "English" B/C/C# (with
a 60-bass piano accordian left hand) instrument into a high art-form. As
my grandma always said "it's a ton-weight!"

>                                                              Other
>accordions available include 1 thru 5 rows, each row being a different
>key, with 1,2, and 3 row being the most common.  The keys of this
>type will probably be C, C/G, E/A/D, G/D, etc.  

Basically, the instrument is tuned in fourths; the outer row is the
"lower" one. There are sets of chords for both rows, though the 
action is far from symmetrical in this respect; you play and
chord differently on the outer row than on the inner. In this 
respect, the "inner" row is the "primary" row. The outer one,
though, is more flexible in playing style, and offers more
possibility for catching cross-fingered notes, to avoid reversing
the bellows constantly.

>I own a Hohner Corona II, EAD.  This seems to be a good key to
>play Los Lobos or Jimmy Buffett, and some zydeco.

Beware of heavy instruments. The Corona II is about the heaviest that
I'd suggest for a beginner, and I would really tend to favor a two-row
pokerwork Hohner over just about anything else. There's a surprising
amount of strength that goes into playing these critters, and it's
tough to develop that, or good technique, on a box that is too big and
heavy. It gets to be like driving a 9000-pound Porsche.

Greg
From: aeksir@owlnet.rice.edu (Amy Elizabeth Ksir)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Stan Rogers: name those tunes?
Keywords: Turnaround, From Fresh Water
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:45:51 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Can someone post or send me the list of songs on the two Stan Rogers
albums, "From Fresh Water" and "Turnaround"?  I know "the Jeanie C."
and "Lockkeeper" from the video, which is excellent, in case you're a
Stan Rogers fan and haven't seen it.  Thanks!

		Amy (aeksir@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: clive@ipsys.uucp (Clive Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fairport Convention - Ric Sanders injured
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: clive@ipsys.uucp
Organization: Ipsys Software

Since Colm is on walk-about this month (last seen in Dublin), I'll post the
following info from him...

The news is apparently that Ric is out of action for a few months. In the mean
time, Chris Leslie does most of the Fairport gigs, apart from Cardiff on the
9th of August, which Swarb is did. At Cropredy, Leslie plays on the Friday
evening, and Swarb on Saturday. All plans to film the 25th anniversary show have
been dropped. After Cropredy, Fairport go into retirement until he recovers.

Get well messages to: c/o Woodworm Records, PO Box 37, Banbury, Oxfordshire,
England.

Sigh,
Clive.
-- 
>>> Clive Williams -  clive@ipsys.uucp, clive@compsci.bristol.ac.uk <<<
>>> *** NOT clive@cs.man.ac.uk - bizarro mailer problems (sigh) *** <<<
From: wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Where is Hannibal/Carthage Records?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:44:42 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <1992Aug18.144519.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>Does anyone know the address for Hannibal/Carthage Records?
>I want to get their catalogue.  I am particularly interested
>in Ivo Papasov and his group, their first album "Orpheus Ascending"
>was absolutely fantastic, and I hear that they have another album
>out now.                  Thanks,  Sandra Chaffin
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
His second album is very good, but slightly different than his first.
The second is more palatable to those familiar with western style music.
It is good, but more pop oriented.

Hannibal is now manufactured and marketed by:

Rykodisc
Pickering Wharf
Bldg C
Salem, MA 01970

If you like Bulgarian music, check the music ftp archives.
I have (I think) every Bulgarian CD available in the U.S.  They are
in my database cd_db.tar.Z as well as discography bulgaria.dsc.

Here is his second album:

Papasov, Ivo|Balkanology|1991|Hannibal|HNCD 1363
	Mladeshki Dance (Turkish)|6:17
	Hristianova Kopanitsa|3:26
	Istoria Na Edna Lyubov (Love Story)|4:17
	Ivo's Ruchenitsa|9:42
	Song for Baba Nedelya|3:30
	Egrenski Dance (Macedonian)|3:36
	Mominsko Horo|8:48
	Tziganska Ballada (Romanian Gypsy)|5:24
	Veseli Zborni (Marriage Song)|4:19
	Proleten Dance (Greek)|2:38
	Kasapsko Horo|2:15

============================================================================
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Paramax Corporation               Voice: (215)443-7500 X4023
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From: musgrave@denali.ims.alaska.edu (Dave Musgrave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Davy Spillane
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:05:10 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.folk
Organization: University of Alaska Institute of Marine Science

I am looking for the label and distributor of any CD's by Davy
Spillane or Liam O'Flynn.  Both of them play the uilleann pipes.  The
music stores up here have no mention of them in their distributors'
catalogs.

--
Dave Musgrave

Institute of Marine Science        internet: musgrave@ims.alaska.edu
University of Alaska Fairbanks     omnet: d.musgrave
Fairbanks, AK 99775-1080
907) 474-7837                      fax:907) 474-7204
From: vu0350@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (allen lutins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: jigs,reels,hornpipes...(definitions)
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:38:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: newserve.1992Aug20.023812.26599
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton

In article <1992Aug18.211904.29250@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
>
>Greetings,
>	Is there someone out there who can provide a "layman" with 
>definitions of the various types of "songs"?  I pretty much know a reel 
>or a jig or a hornpipe or whatever when I hear one but lack the musical
>vocabulary to describe the tunes.

...this is not a *total* answer, but rather an important part of one:
one easy way to tell these apart is their beat/cadence...jigs are in
three, reels are in four (mnemonic -- jig = 3 letters; reel = 4
letters); hornpipes are also in four, but rather than having an even
cadence, they have a dah-di dah-di dah-di cadence (mnemonic --
repeating the word `hornpipe' a few times, you'll notice that the
first syllable is longer; this is what a hornpipe sounds like)...



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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Newport FF
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:13:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <51698@dime.cs.umass.edu> DanN@juliet.cs.umass.edu (Dan Neiman) writes:

>undeniable mercenary feel to the concert.   Not too many of the 
>downtrodden and underprivileged are going to be attending 
>Ben and Jerry's  -- kind of unfortunate in view of the extremely 
>liberal facade slapped onto the proceedings.  
>
Few of the downtrodden and underpriveleged living near Newport would
attend a folk fesitival if it were free (well, maybe if they had
free beer...).



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From: wagner@unity.cs.umn.edu (Paul Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:55:55 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.folk
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <4493@news.duke.edu> djw@hodgkin.mc.duke.edu (David Wendt) writes:
>
>Just a question re some past music.  there was a band out of Indiana (I 
>believe) which gained some notriaity in the late 60's.  The members included
>a couple of brothers, (last name Talbot).  They appeared on Am bandstand - 
>or its equivalent- and had a couple of top 40 tunes.  I ran into John Michael
>Talbot in Crested Butte in 1977 where he did an acoustic set -some nice work-
>...

Ah, an excellent blast from the past.  Mason Proffit is the band, and John and
Terry Talbot were the main songwriters/vocalists.  I've got two
of their albums - the first/self-titled one, with the song "Two Hangmen"
that you described, and "Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream".  Excellent
folk/country/rock - these are two of the most valued pieces of vinyl I've got.
I think there were a few other albums, but I'm not sure how many.

I'd heard of John playing a religious show in a small town in southern
Wisconsin in about 1980, but the religious angle kept me from attending
(you could start hearing it creeping in in their later albums).  Not sure
what he or any of the rest of them are up to now.  Anyone know more?

Paul

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,cu.bboard,nyc.general,ny.general
From: stevens@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens)
Subject: Sept. Schedule, Postcrypt Coffeehouse, NYC
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:53:43 GMT
X-Posted-From: france.madvlsi.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

The Postcrypt Coffeehouse is located in the basement of St. Paul's
Chapel on the campus of Columbia University in NY.  We feature live
acoustic music from both local and national acts.  When I say
acoustic, I really mean it; there are no microphones.  Columbia is
located at 116th St. and Broadway and is accessible by the 1 and 9
subways.  Admission is always free and open to all.  Performances
start at 9PM unless otherwise noted.  For more info: (212) 854-1953 or
stevens@madvlsi.columbia.edu.

Sat., Sept. 5: 
	Greg Trooper
	The Nudes

Fri., Sept. 11: 
	Open Stage, sign up at 8:15PM, performances start at
	8:30.  Strict two-song limit.
Sat., Sept. 12: 
	Brian Anderson
	Rachel Polisher
	Jerome Owens

Fri., Sept. 18: 
	Carmine Turko
	Ellis Paul
	Walt Campbell
Sat., Sept. 19: 
	David Hamburger
	Wendy Beckerman

Fri., Sept. 25: 
	The Low Road
	Tom Clark
Sat., Sept. 26: 
	Kate Jacobs
	Jim Infantino

Coming in Oct: Vicky Pratt Keating, Andrew Calhoun & Kat Eggleston,
Richard Shindell, Vance Gilbert, Stan Moeller & T.S. Baker, Jim
Gaudet, Raymond Gonzalez, Amy Malkoff, and more.
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Seeking a good banjo book
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:49:23 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Keywords: fee, fi, fiddley-i-oh

In article <4547@news.duke.edu> tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies) writes:
#>I've had a banjo for a couple of years now, but haven't gotten
#>too far learning it.  I got an instruction bok for the
#>3-finger method when I got the banjo, but lately I've been
#>thinking that it might be better (and easier) to learn
#>chords first, then add the finger rolls later.
#>So I'm looking for recommendations for books that focus
#>on learning chords, sort of the Pete Seeger type of
#>banjo playing, I guess. (By the way, can someone tell me
#>what clawhammer banjo is?)
#>
#>Thanks for your advice.
#>
#>Tristan Davies

There are a lot of good books, but I'd recommend taking
some lessons instead. Before you do that, it sounds
like you need to listen to some music and decide what
kind of music you want to play. (It's like buying a
computer. First you decide what software you need;
then you pick the hardware to run it. You may not
have the ideal banjo to play clawhammer if you've been
playing three-finger style. The differences are in
the tension on the head, the thickness of the head,
the presence of a resonator, etc.)

To hear what clawhammer banjo sounds like (essentially
a two-finger, down-picking technique in which the force
of the whole hand--without finger picks--is used to
strike the strings) I recommend three albums entitled
"Clawhammer Banjo," which are available from County
Records (P. O. Box 191, Floyd, VA--I think it's 24091,
but you'd better check the zipcode).

Steve Goldfield
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk