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From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: sparc workstation product information?
Keywords: Workstation Purchase Sparc Information
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:23:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

hahn@fx.com (Tim Hahn) writes:

>What are reliable sources of information regarding various sparc
>workstation (1, 1+, 2, etc) pricing and configurations?  I'm tired of
>the "leave-the-message-at-the-beep-but-never-get-called-back"
>foolishness from Sun's telemarketing 'droids.

>thanks,

All anyone else can give you is either list, or their discounted prices.
Since Sun has a multi-tiered discount structure depending on type of
institution and amount of business that you do with Sun, what anyone
else tells you may bear little or no resemblance to reality.  Best to
go straight to the source if you want a price that you can count on
being correct.

>Tim
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From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Eizo F550i with Sparc CG3
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:04:53 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In article <1992Nov4.095051.12463@cs.tu-berlin.de> ghost@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Hartmut Kuehn) writes:
>Hi !
>
>Has anybody any experiences with an Eizo F550i and Sun SPARC
>(with cg3-framebuffer) ?
>
>Does the Eizo has 66 Hz with 1152x900 *non-interlaced* ???
>
>(I know that Eizo does 1280x1024 with 60 Hz and 1024x768
> with 76 Hz, both non-interlaced)
>

     The Eizo F550i is the same monitor as the Nanao F550i (which I 
have...the latest model with color control).  I hooked it up to
a DTK Sparc II clone that had a GXPlus card and it worked fine
in 1152x900 non-interlaced.   Yes, the Hz rate should be about 65-66.

Steve Hite
shite@sinkhole.unf.edu 
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From: mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:03:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: winton.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov11.093151.29752@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp> ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji") writes:
>
>The best temperature for workstations,..., well, below 50C absolutely,
>but below 35 degrees Centigrade is the manufacturers recommendation. 

That's 122F and 95F respectively for you barbarians, um I mean, English
standard people (including myself). :)

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From: acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:32:02 GMT

In article <1dreccINNf90@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov11.093151.29752@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp> ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji") writes:
|> >
|> >The best temperature for workstations,..., well, below 50C absolutely,
|> >but below 35 degrees Centigrade is the manufacturers recommendation. 
|> 
|> That's 122F and 95F respectively for you barbarians, um I mean, English
|> standard people (including myself). :)
|> 
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HUMOR ON>>>>>
69 degrees.  Fahrenheit(sp).
HUMOR OFF>>>>

MOST systems publish +10degrees C to +40C.
Servers and large machines last a lot longer at the cooler end(25C or less).
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From: kwthomas@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kevin W. Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Trouble with CD
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:38:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BxJEBF.A2u
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Nov11.040902.27947@spock.UUCP> jburne@spock.uucp (John Burnette) writes:
>I wonder if someone could suggest something to try next.
>
>Our CD drive suddenly doesn't want to respond (sr0 isn't 
>recognized as valid device.)  SCSI setting is 5.          
>
>Not only will it not mount the CD, it will not boot from it either.
>
>Just what can go wrong with a CD drive and how does one troubleshoot.
>
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>203-949-0914            // them please send $5 for documentation.           //

Try changing your SCSI from 5 to 6.

	Kevin W. Thomas
	National Severe Storms Laboratory
	Norman, Oklahoma
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Carrera serial port problems
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:16:08 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <ASTELS.92Nov9102807@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> astels@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Dave Astels) writes:
>everything else seems to work ok (self tests and boot).  It would seem
>to me that there is a chip failure in something common to both SCC
>chips...

Can't think what it would be.  I haven't seen schematics, but as far as
I know they don't even share a -ve power supply (since the kbd/mouse ports
are TTL).  Except, hm, maybe a clock oscillator.

>There is a socketed chip (24 or 28 pin) marked ICM7170IPG that
>I'm not familiar with.  Any idea what it is?

That's the battery-backed-clock chip.
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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: What good are VME boards?
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:02:47 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: as215-ws-11.ucsc.edu



I have a 4/110. After asking around for a bit, I find out that there is
no accepted sound board for it. or at least none with let you use
/dev/audio.
 I also couldn't find something else I thought was available. I forget
what.

So , the basic question is..
What DO folks use those VME slots for? I know there are cases for 6 and
twelve slots... WHY?!!!

Philip
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From: jay@silence.princeton.nj.us (Jay Plett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:10:12 GMT
Organization: Access, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.223055.7830@ultra.com>, shj@ultra.com (Steve Jay {Ultra Unix SW Mgr}) writes:
> If you want to buy a new Sun which runs 4.1.x, you'll have to buy one
> of the older models (IPX, IPC, 600MP, etc.).  That's why those models
> will remain on the Sun price list for at least another year.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.  Nor would I bet a six-pack
on getting reasonable delivery on orders for Sun4c's.

Indeed, quoting from Sun's Solaris 2.1 announcement:

	Several of the Sun-4c
	platforms will continue to ship at least through the end of fiscal
	year 1993; hence, there are no plans to announce the end of Solaris
	1.1 prior to the end of the fiscal year and probably not before
	the end of calendar year 1993.


	...jay
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sun is violating the Ethernet-Spec with its
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:10:55 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Nov4.165432.4917@news.duc.auburn.edu> elling@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>Rule #1 for ethernets, turn off SQE.  I know of no hardware made in a
>*long* time that needs SQE...

Are you sure you don't have this backwards?  It's the old hardware that
*didn't* do SQE and could react badly to it.  A fair bit of new stuff
does get unhappy if it doesn't see SQE.

>... If you have SQE enabled, the transceiver
>can put extra junk on the trunk that may contribute to collisions.

Documentation, please, preferably including identification of specific
models of transceiver which do this.  SQE is supposed to be entirely,
completely, 100% local to the drop cable.  No properly-functioning
transceiver will put anything on the Ethernet itself as a result of
SQE.  (With one proviso:  that you follow the rule saying "no SQE on
transceivers connected to a repeater".)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: weinri@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kevin Weinrich)
Subject: What are trade-offs between bytes/inode & #cyl/grp?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:47:34 GMT

In running newfs on the first (small) partition on my new 
Wren VII 1.2G drive (using default parameters) I get the message:
  Warning: inode blocks/cyl group (100) >= data blocks (75) in last
    cylinder group.  This implies 1200 sector(s) cannot be 
    allocated.
So, I cranked the bytes/inode parameter up to 4096 (from 2048),
which got rid of the error msg.  Then I tried it w/ 24 cylinders/
group (instead of 16) and 2048 b/i.  That also got rid of the
warning (and reduced the # of cyl. groups to 4 from 6, lowering the
# of super-blocks).  So which method should I use -- what are the
trade-offs? I know the basics of disk layout, but am not familiar w/
inodes and groups.

Thanks for any pointers,
Kevin Weinrich		e-mail preferred at: kbw@hermes.ath.epa.gov
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic vs. 486
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:44:25 GMT
Organization: cic

lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows) writes:

>I agree that the prices are competitive between sparc and 486 systems,
>but I think the dearth of user-level software is still a problem.  Does
>anyone have info on cost of things like Lotus, Microsoft Word (if available),
>accounting software, etc. for sparcs vs. PCs.

Microsoft will only implement Word et al for Unix over Bill Gates' dead
body. (Now, *there* is an invitation...)

>Of course, Macs are better anyway :-).

I had to sysadmin one once. Made me go freelance ;-) Actually I found
the user interface as contrived as they go. No drag and drop (I believe
they added this in V7?). You double click a document and the corresponding
program is started. You double click another one of the same type and you
get an error message!
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From: atai@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andy Tai)
Subject: info needed on /usr/adm/message file
Keywords: need doc on how /usr/adm/messages is generated
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:38:53 GMT


Hello, 
I need information on tech details about the system log file
/usr/adm/messages.  I cannot find info about it on sun manuals. Where
can I find info on how this file is generated, what process writes to it,
what are the possible errors listed in this file, etc.   Any info is
appreciated.


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From: pierrot@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Tatjana Heuser)
Subject: Re: What is the best working temperature for workstations?
Reply-To: pierrot@cs.tu-berlin.de
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:28:48 GMT

mugsy@winton.uucp (Michael G. Bruce) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.093151.29752@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp> ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji") writes:
>>
>>The best temperature for workstations,..., well, below 50C absolutely,
>>but below 35 degrees Centigrade is the manufacturers recommendation. 
>
>That's 122F and 95F respectively for you barbarians, um I mean, English
>standard people (including myself). :)

Then why not 62.5R and 43.75R (Reaumur) ?

Or for standard people 323.15K and 308.15K (Kelvin) ?

Of course I might have gotten the tables wrong :-)

:-), tatjana
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From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:44:01 GMT
Keywords: Sparc10 Multiprocessing

In article <1992Nov5.023821.27506@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) writes:
[]
"Solbourne's multiprocessor version of SunOS does a much better job than
"Sun's code does.  Its more mature (Solbourne has doing multiprocessor a
"lot longer than Sun).

question:  will solbourne's os run on a sun sparc?

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From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:14:14 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

johnn@eskimo.celestial.com (John Navitsky) writes:

>  Gateway 2000 66MHz 486DX2 EISA*     Sun SPARCclassic
>  66MHz Intel 486 ("double clocked")  50MHz TI microSPARC
>  8MB RAM                             16MB RAM using 16MB sims (to 96MB)
>  340MB SCSI disk                     207MB SCSI-2 (to 22GB)
>  ??                                  8 bit audio
>  not included                        twisted pair ethernet (10mb/sec)
>  2 serial ports                      2 serial ports
>  1 parallel port                     1 parallel port
>  ?xEISA slots (32MB/sec)             2xSBus slots (100MB/sec)
>  16bit SVGA w/1MB                    8 bit color, 1024x768 or 1152x900
>  14" CrystalScan                     15" color 1024x768, 76Hz refresh, 100dpi
>  5.25" & 3.5" floppys                3.5" optional
>  DOS 5.0                             Solaris 2.1
>  MS-Windows 3.1                      Open Windows 3
>  Choice of application               not included 
>  Tower case                          IPC style box
>                                      64bit memory bus

>  $3,995                              $4,295

The above comparison is a bet screwed since the EISA bus runs at 8MHz,
you need 8M extra RAM, the PC has no ethernet, and since you are
comparing a OS against a ROM monitor.  The EISA won't expand > 16M (?).

You would need to add a lot of money to get up to localbus or so and a
Unix.  BTW 14" to 15" is also a lot of money.

Thus I _do_ believe Sun's claim here that they have a price advantage
over the highend.  Sticking with the above pricing I think it'll be
a extra $1.5k price tag to get a comparable 486.

Further, the above is a bit unfair in comparing a Gateway against
a Sun.  If we did (say) Compaq against Sun then things would look even
better for Sun.

I expect the SPARC cloners will do a good job of further dropping the
price of Tsunami boxes.  At that point we'll see options which sound
like Gateway.

        -ans.
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From: huff@cactus.org (Matthew Huff)
Subject: 9" Tape Drive Needed
Summary:  Conversion from TI990 to SUN needs 9" Tape
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:12:10 GMT

We are currently trying to find a 9" tape drive that is compatbile with a SparcStation 2.  We will be moving 2Gigs of data from a TI990 Mainframe to the
workstation. Does anyone have any info about such a drive?



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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:01:59 GMT
Organization: cic

bygate@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Terrence A. Bygate) writes:

>Lupe Christoph (lupe@ukw.uucp) wrote:
>: bill@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bill Hewitt) writes:
>: >My original understanding was that Sparc10 machines would be able to
>: >use >1 processor under SunOS4.1.3, but that multi threading would only
>: >become possible under Solaris2.0.
>: 
>: 
>: 	- The only supported multiprocessor Viking configurations
>: 	  are the -52 and the -54, as far as I know. At least there
>: 	  is not model -42 in my pricelist.

>So, when do the SS10/5x become available?  Will they not be out
>until Solaris2.1?  If they are out sooner than Solaris2.1, will 
>multiple processors be available for multiple jobs?

I have no tentative dates for FCS of Sol2.1 or the -50 modules,
but I believe 2.1 will be out before the modules.

You cannot run Sol2.0 on a sun4m machine. It supports only sun4c.
This also means that Sol2.1 is needed for the SPARClassie and
the LX. As these machines are supposed to ship in December,
Sol2.1 can't be far...

In fact I was able to lay my dirty little hands on Solaris 2.1
Beta, and it looks quite nice on my IPX.
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From: eloranta@jyu.fi (Jussi Eloranta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sun SLC cpu board sellers & prices
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:22:24 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland


Hi,

Does anyone know sellers of sun SLC cpu boards and prices?

Thanks,

jussi

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From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:36:57 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

astewart@megatek.com (Al Stewart) writes:

>>Both the classic and the LX REQUIRE solaris 2.1.  If you
>>want to run 4.1.X you still gotta buy the old machines.
>>ALl the older machines remain in the line for the time
>>being.  I got the impression this was to accomodate those
>>who don't want to move to 2.1.

>Wait a minute! WHAT! I must be misunderstanding something here. What
>happened to binary compatibility? I'm not committed to Solaris 2 (yet).
>One of the reasons I want a SUN is to have the option of 4.1.x or
>try the new Solaris 2.x. Someone please explain/verify. 
>The LX won't run 4.1.x (solaris 1.0)?

It's not uncommon for a company to bring out new systems that only run
their new operating system. The LC, LX, 10/5x and Sparc??? 2000 only
run Solaris 2.x. Not very surprising.

Those people that don't want to port ther SW to Solaris 2.x,
make me wonder. Don't they have to port to other vendor's Sys V.4
too? Sys V.4 is becoming an industry standard, like it or not.

Casper
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From: cpf@broca.med.virginia.edu(Chris Fall)
Subject: three questions
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:40:13 GMT

I'm looking into a sun  sparc lx purchase, and I'm wondering:

What's the price premium for purchasing the larger disk (1GB) from SUN (ie is  
third party that much cheaper)

Same question for memory. Is it worth the effort to really shop around for  
memory?

Do I have to buy a SUN CD-ROM or can I use my NeXT CD-rom (It's a SONY, so to  
speak).

Thanks for the reply...
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From: mabbot@stel.csir.co.za (Mike Abbot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,rec.audio.pro
Subject: RE: Re: Audio-capable, computer-interfaced DAT drives? [Summary]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:29:06 GMT
Organization: CSIR
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.16
Summary: Buy an SGI Indigo, maybe, maybe not the only solution

Perhaps a glimmer of hope.

>1.  In general, DAT back-up devices cannot handle audio.  Technically,
>    the reason is that computer data on a DAT has extra levels of
>    error-correction relative to audio data, and most drives refuse
>    to read tapes without data-type error correction, and will only
>    write tapes with enough error-correction for data.  Legally, the
>    reason is that the suppliers of DAT back-up devices do not want to
>    tangle with record companies' lawyers.

I was recently browsing through the programming manual of a WANGDAT 3200 and 
I noticed that it *is* possible to switch off the data-type error 
correction (Wang call it C3 ECC as opposed to the audio-type ECC, C1 and 
C2.) via a mode setup command to the drive.

I have not tried it, and I don't have much hope for its success, but anyway 
it might be of interest to you.  Perhaps you can contact the WANGDAT 
technical guys and see what they have to say.

BTW : WANGDAT 3200 +- US$ 1500 internal/external versions, SCSI interface.
 
Good luck

Mike


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From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:11:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

mfr@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE. (Michael Froehlich) writes:

>In article 1dpbvnINN1j5@almaak.usc.edu, ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>>harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:
>>
>>>Just caught the official announcement this morning. $3995 for
>>>a 15 inch color, 200MB SPARC (Tsunami). Did I just hear
>>>a collective heart attack at Intel and Microsoft?
:
>>The price is $4k "in qtys of 12+".  Does that mean the list price
>>is $4.5k or so?  What would the academic price be?  ($4k with 40% off
>>would be quite attractive at $2400).

$ 3,995 in Qty 12
$ 4,295 in Qty 1

Interestingly, if you buy 14 you pay $3995 for 12 and $4295 for the
extra 2...

>There is no "academic price" :-(.  We have to pay the same price as everyone.

Not so, there is academic pricing.  It won't be 35-40% off, more like
20%.  Check with your sales-type...

>>Is Solaris 2 now standard with all these systems?

>Yes, Solaris 2.1 is neccessary (also announced yesterday)

Also interestingly, the OS does NOT come pre-loaded.  Since 2.1
contains "Jump-start" which is supposed to be so easy (you can
load the OS from scratch either from CD or remotely via network)
they are letting the end-user do it now.  (I actually prefer it
that way.  They never pre-loaded exactly the components I wanted
anyway).

Robert
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