HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buds@hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com (Bud Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Draft stuff
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Bellevue Sales Office
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Leo James (lej@pdn.paradyne.com) wrote:

: After the total domination of the 'Canes in the Sugar Bowl (but
: admittedly, before the combine workouts) does the net feel that
: there is a chance that either  Eric Curry or John Copeland will
: be available at the 6th overall pick  (Tampa Bay's)?   I assume 
: that Marvin Jones will be long gone by then.


Being a resident of the Seattle area makes me a draft expert on the
Seahawks; right?

My prediction:  Seattle will know what New England is going to do
BEFORE draft day.  Most times the #1 pick is signed prior to draft
day.  If Drew Bledsoe does NOT go to New England, and I understand
the Pats are probably going for defense, the Seahawks will take him.
If he goes to New England then Seattle will trade DOWN a few slots
and hope that Lincoln Kennedy is available.

Sooooo, Seattle will not be taking any of the three that you mention.

Anybody else have any predictions for the early picks.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Young VS. Montana (My Thoughts)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:33:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Okay, so maybe I participate in Young Bashing a little too much.  It all
started back when Bill Walsh made what I consider to be the worst decision
in his career: pulling Montana out of a game and putting Steve Young in. 
Young became the media darling of the Bay Area and a "controversy" was
born.  Since then, I've had to listen to Steve Young bitch and moan about
being a bench warmer.  So then Montana gets wacked out of a game and Young
comes in.  The Niners lose that game and they don't go to the Super Bowl.  

Joe Montana is out only because of injury.  People like me feel that when a
player gets wacked out of his starting job because of injury he should have
the chance to get his starting position back.  When you're Joe Montana and
have 4 Super Bowls under your belt, that becomes even a bigger thing to me.
 

Now we have a situation where the coach has decided that even though Joe is
the higher paid, former starter, it will take the demise of Steve Young
(not the team) to get Montana in there. 

All I can say is: remember the Colts and the Jets?  The Colts had Unitis
warming the bench, perfectly healthy because his replacement was MVP.  The
Colts lost too.

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From: nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Lambeau Field question
Keywords: Playoff Predictions! READ! :)
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:58:12 GMT

> San Diego  48
> Miami       7

> Dan Marino will be hit from all sides as Leslie O' Neal and Junior
> Seau force 2 fumbles an 2 INT's as the Dolphins can muster only one
> TD off after Humphrey recoveres his own fumble in the end zone.

This would be the worst defeat in Don Shula's career, even worse than
any beating he took with the worst defense in the NFL.  San Diego may
win, but not by anything near this magnitude.  Try: Miami 48, SD 7.  :)

Nix

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Ditka Has Been Fired!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:44:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.195039.12293@cbfsb.cb.att.com> campbell@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ray E. Campbell) writes:

>I just heard on WBBM Radio, Chicago, that Mike Ditka has been fired as
>head coach of the Chicago Bears.  The announcement was made just minutes
>ago.

I used to think that the NFL owners had a little gray matter.  Now I'm
not so sure.

First Reeves, then Ditka.  I can't remember the last time two coaches
of this caliber got booted the same year.  Meanwhile Glanville is
still pulling a paycheck.

Unreal...
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:25:04 GMT

In article <1ihc7kINNsvc@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.194438.21583@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>>Things are already looking better for the Skins!  Maybe another
>>>mud-bowl?
>>
>>Almost certainly a mud bowl.  I don't know whether it's better for the 
>>Skins or not, though.  Last night, some of the more informed SF sports
>>commentators (Wayne Walker for one) were speculating that foul weather
>>might work against the Skins, who are a smaller, more speed-oriented
>>team than the Hawgs made famous.  According to Wayne, the Skins need
>
>Maybe smaller than the original hawgs, but by no means a *small* team.

I remember seeing near the beginning of the season some stats about
the size of the offensive lines.  My memory is somewhat hazzy, but I
recall that the 49er offensive line is the SMALLEST in the NFL.  The
Redskins, if I recall correctly, was the LARGEST.  BTW, the 49er
line contains 3 players (Barton, McIntrye and Wallace) selected to
this year's all-pro or pro-bowl teams.

>The vikings learned that last Saturday.  The Redskins are still very much
>a size-oriented team.  Defensively they're more speed oriented than
>before, but offensively? No.
>
>>a dry, fast surface to get the offense going.
>
>In all the past wet games I've watched in the past, the SKins have
>basically had a field day (pardon the uninteltional pun 8-) with other
>teams.  Look at the aforementioned mud-bowl against Atlanta.  A complete

I doubt that even the most rabid anti-niner would compare the Falcons
with the 49ers :-)  Looks like it will be REAL WET & COLD at the
Stick on Saturday.  Washington will have another chance to have a
field day. :-)

>slaughter.
>
>
>Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
>smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm


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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: 9ers v boyz
Organization: yo-yo dyne propulsion 
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:55:29 GMT

ok niner fans,

just got off the phone with jerry jones and he says he's willin
to let you guys avoid public humiliation if you just forfeit.

what?  ok, how about we admit that you might have even gotten a
tight game from you ... NO?

ok ... i'll get back with you.  but, he seemed pretty set on getting
this thing resolved before the weekend.

james

8-)

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Re: Joe Montana's future
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:01:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In a recent interview, Montana was sporting a Minnesota Twins' cap.
Whether, he is sending a subtle message to Green is yet to be known.

Bommer Esaison openly let it know that he would love playing for the
Vikings.

S.H

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,osu.sports
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: THE FAT LADY HAD A HEART ATTACK!!
Reply-To: jingyao@columbia.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:29:02 GMT

>
>HO to Davis.. HO to Davis again...going for the FG on
>3rd down.  A 32 yd FG attempt for Christie....RIGHT
>DOWN THE MIDDLE!!!! THE BILLS WIN! Can anybody believe it!??
>Hey, exciting game, the best to date, IMHO. Congrats to
>Reich for coming back in the 2nd half! The GREATEST 
>comeback in the NFL!!!!!
>
>Oilers   38   Bills  41
 
 
    I was so fortunate to have stopped in the Holiday Inn just of I-77
in Berkeley, WV to catch the finish of the game.  When I stepped in the
bar and asked for the TV, the bartender said to me: " Are you looking for
the game ?  It was 35-3 Buffalo losing, I turned of the TV by the half time".
"31-3, Buffalo losing that big ? I can't believe it", I told myself.
    I had the seat right in front of the TV and asked for a coffee, I needed
it after 4 hours on the road. It was about 3:15, I thought maybe I could 
still catch a minute or two of the Indiana-Kentucky basketball game that 
was on CBS. Indeed, with about a minute and half remaining, Kentucky by 
2. I stayed with the game to see Indiana lose by 3.
 
    One of the bartender refilled my cup. There was still 4 hours of driving
to Columbus, I can have a few more cups, I thought.  Maybe I'll watch a 
little bit of the Saints-Eagles game before I hit the road again.
 
    Commercial on CBS.  So I flipped the chanels like we always do during
those breaks.  
 
    There,    
   		Houston 35
		BUffalo 31
 
    I looked at the first bartender who told me the score was 35-3 before he
turned off the TV. I simply said to him , "there !"
 
    The rest, as they say, is "HISTORY".
 

>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chris Dishman's whining
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:09:08 GMT

In article <C0D1w2.6vC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
> Did anybody see Chris Dishman's postgame interview? He refused to give
> credit to the Bills and said that he couldn't say that the Bills did
> anything spectacular in the game, but rather that the Oilers choked.
> The greatest comeback in NFL history is not spectacular? yeah, right. Shine
> up your golf clubs, Chris. You'll have the entire off-season to whine.
> --Jim


Dishman was right. The bottom line, the Oilers choked. The reporters asked
him about what happened to the Oilers, and he responded. Now, Frank Reich gave
credit to Jesus for coming back and winning the game.. as if *He* really
cared who won the game.


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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Hamish
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:48:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.233812.10187@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Why don't you go suck some cock, with the rest of the 
>120 pound AIDS stricken homo's who play soccer.
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
>
>The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.

Congratulations.  You may just be the biggest asshole on this newsgroup.
A notable feat.
I didn't quite believe that the macho loser from Southern California
actually existed.  I thought it was just a caricature.  Thanks for
clearing that up.
I suppose you don't eat quiche, either.

Jason Gische
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hamish
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:29:16 GMT
Organization: UB

Saw this while browsing in rec.sport.soccer for info on the local MISL
team:

>From ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!ucscb.UCSC.EDU!pele Sun Jan 10 17:22:37 EST 1993
>Article: 35126 of rec.sport.soccer
>Path: acsu.buffalo.edu!ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!ucscb.UCSC.EDU!pele
>From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
>Subject: Hamish?  Are you here?
>Message-ID: <1ilkbeINNe2s@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>Date: 9 Jan 93 04:29:34 GMT
>Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
>Lines: 9
>NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu
>
>
>Yeah you Hamish.  I think you pissed all those rec.sport.football.pro people
>off real good.  Congradulations.  I take it you meant to do this during
>the playoffs?   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I think the next step might be to invite them here to have it out with the
>rest of the soccer fans, or i guess they wouldn't have the gutts.
>                                                           ^^^^^
>--DJD

This guy spells great. Also, he has the mentality of a third-grader. "Let's
have it out" he says. C'mon, grow up, will you.
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:13:55 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <1993Jan12.020207.172@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

[both our stuff deleted]

 >Here is where you seem to miss the facts. The Niners, actually
 >Young :^), likewise turned over the ball FOUR times against the
 >RedSkins and won! The Niners were able to defeat Philly and the 
 >Saints because of Defense and able they were able to score when 
 >needed.  The facts are: the Niners won!  As you so aptly pointed out,
 >Aikman and Company were NOT able to win despite their 3+ TOs,
 >whereas the Niners were able to win despite their 4 TOs.
 >******* John P. Gloria ****** jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com *******

Okay let me state it better.
If Steve Young or the 9ers turn the ball over 4 times Sunday
to Dallas, you will surely lose. Same goes for Dallas...
9ers have needed a good spot by the refs to beat Philly and had to 
overcome four turnovers to beat wash., to their credit, they did win.
In the meantime Dallas has been not turning the ball over and scoring
41, 31 and 34 points in the last three games. I would say mud field
advantage is about all the 9ers have in their favor and the fact
that they have more playoff exp. but the exp. thing also helps Dallas,
it's a young bunch and when someone tells them "you can't go out there and 
beat them at the Stick" they answer "Why the hell not".

Just remember the "undefeated Redskins" vs the Cowboys at RFK, in the cold
and in the mud last year. 

                     "We shook up the World!!"

                          DALLAS COWBOYS

"You can either proffit from this or be destroyed, it's your choice"
                                             -Luke Skywalker
From: vishal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Vishal I. Sikka)
Subject: Bills, SF vs. Wash.
Keywords: Bills, 49ers, 'skins, Green, Lachey, Mays, Thomas
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:33:57 GMT

Congrats to the Bills for a truly memorable game. I used to live in
Syracuse, and almost wished I was back there yesterday. This one was
for decades.

Can a 'skins fan out there tell us all the status of Darrell Green,
Jim Lachey, Alvoid Mays, and Johnny Thomas for this week's game?.

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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:26:16 GMT

The sane sentiment so far is

	Raiders
	Chiefs
	Chargers
	Steelers

The insane sentiment has been

	Giants  (and it was my suggestion!)
	Saints
	Vikings

I don't think any NFC team is going to get him, cause the Niners won't
risk it.  An NY fan convinced me the Giants wouldn't go for him -
"What are we, a retirement home for fragile old QBs?"
	
Personally, I hope he doesn't end up with the Raiders, because I don't
think that's a healthy situation with Al Davis fiddling towards
senility.

Joe probably wouldn't like to go to Pitt or KC because they are cold,
far away from business interests on the coast, and have artificial
turf.  So my pick for the moment is San Diego.

cheers,
-dB

-- 
Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas on Real Grass
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:56:36 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <3304@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
 >In article <1isolrINNko5@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
 >>10-25 at Raiders    1-0
 >>11-22 at Phoenix    2-0
 >>12-6  at Denver     3-0
 >>12-13 at Washington 3-1
 >>
 >You forgot the loss at Philadelphia, which makes them 3-2.  'Course, they
 >shoulda won the Redskins game . . . :^)  But I'm glad they didn't, since
 >that would have meant Green Bay in the playoffs, and the Vikings coming to
 >Texas Stadium, and we would have been denied the pleasure of knocking the
 >Eagles out of the playoffs for the second straight year.
 >
 >Daniel Welch
 >----
 >My so-called friends say you're not alive;
 >I'll bake their bones for telling lies.  

Sorry Dan,
The Vet is Art. turf......
tim


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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: Who won the previous superbowl ?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:58:35 GMT

yvesv@wsooti10.info.win.tue.nl (Yves v.d. Vijver) writes:
: Hello,
: 
: Here a question from a football fan in the Netherlands. Last year there
: has been no TV coverage of the NFL season and superbowl. I listened
: to the game on an american broadcast to soldiers in Germany.
: I can't recall any of the game though (TV images are easier).
: Could anyone tell me who won last year's superbowl ?
: 
: Dyers Yves,
: the Netherlands.

Most people believe the Washington Redskins won. Some even believe the
Buffalo Bills won. However, the real winner was Bud Lite (by three bottle
caps).

p. michals


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From: anda@ahpcrc.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda)
Subject: Re: Another Mike for new Bears coach . . .
Organization: University of Minnesota, AHPCRC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:05:51 GMT


In article <C0I0Bz.Iwv@Novell.COM>, dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.101754.29843@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>  
> stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:
> > 
> > *Singletary! Wuddayathink?
> > 
> >  Sounds good... but he has no experience and has stated
> >  that he does not want to coach for now. The Bears had 
> >  already offered him a job as assistant linebackers coach
> >  and he turned it down.
> 
> 
> As for his not having had coaching experience...in a recent post, someone  
> mentioned that Ditka hadn't had any when he started either. I'm sure there  
> are others who also haven't had it, but who've done good jobs. Considering  
> the experience Singletary *has* had as a great player, his knowledge about  
> (and his passion for) the game, and his rapport with other players and  
> coaches, I think he'd be more than adequate at coaching.

Wrong!!!  Ditka was an assistant (I believe contemporary with Dan Reeves)
under Landry at Dallas before Halas asked him to head the Bears coaching staff.
Gary Fencik at the time went to Halas and convinced him to retain Buddy Ryan as
the defensive coordinator--Ditka had not chosen Ryan to be his assistant and this
was a primary cause of their subsequent friction--at times there were almost two
head coaches in Chicago.

IMHO, McCaskey is going against his grandfathers wishes.  Halas didn't just
appoint Ditka to be the head coach, he also made him custodian of the Bears
tradition, character, and legacy which Halas saw Ditka as a player and assitant
coach exemplify and personify.  No matter what the record of the Bears under
Ditka, they always played the game as Halas believed it should be played.  Halas
had losing years too, but the fans always saw "Bear" football.  Coaching the
Bears was not just a job for Ditka, it was being a custodian and honoring the
trust that Halas placed in him.

"Da-Bears" are in grave danger of becoming "the bears"--just another corporate
NFL franchise.

The only coaching candidate that could come close to replacing Ditka is
Washington's Richie Pettibone, a defensive star of the '63 championship Bears.
He could help retain some of the current defensive talent of the Bears from
fleeing a sinking ship in the free agent market, and he may be able to bring in
other talent such as Washington's Wilbur Marshall, a free agent this year, and a
member of the '85 Bears' championship team.

As a related note, If Walter Peyton is a part owner of the new St. Louis
franchise, then expect to see current Bears assistant Johnny Roland named as the
head  coach of the team--Peyton stated this years ago.

&y&a
Andrew Allen Anda, (University of Minnesota: anda@cs.umn.edu)
Computer Science Dept., 4-192 EE/CSci Bldg.,
200 Union St. S.E.,
Mpls., MN 55455
--
Andrew Allen Anda, (University of Minnesota: anda@cs.umn.edu)
Computer Science Dept., 4-192 EE/CSci Bldg.,
200 Union St. S.E.,
Mpls., MN 55455
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: Reich DOES it again
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:41:08 GMT

	Maryland has produced some really good QBs who are now playing in 
the NFL.  Currently in my list I have 
	
	S. Gelbaugh (Seahawks)
	B. Esaison (Bengals)
	F. Reich (Bills)
	N. O'Donnell (Steelers)
	S. Zolak (Patriots)

	Frank Reick recreated one of the moments many QBs dream of doing.  
In 1984 Maryland was trailing Miami 31-0 in the Sun bowl.  Frank Reich 
brought us back to win the game 42-40 in one of the biggest comebacks in 
college football history.  Now he did it again only for the second time, but 
now in a NFL game.  

Go MARYLAND.

Mikail Shams
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