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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Heartbeat and VAXen
From: jms@mrsvax.mis.arizona.edu (Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
Date: 15 Sep 1992 09:30 MST  
Reply-To: jms@arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 19 hours, 53 minutes since the full moon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <01GORVQ5E17894FKBC@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>, ELLISWR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU (Raney Ellis) writes...
>Date sent:  14-SEP-1992 12:06:45 
> 
>H4005-------DELNI---LANbridge100---DELNI------H4005
>              |                      |
>             VAX                    VAX

>Here's the problem/issue.  Should the heartbeat on the H4005s be enabled?

Yes.  Of course, you really mean SQE.  SQE should be enabled on all devices
which are not repeaters.  I'm not sure where you read that 802.3 says
"not," but it doesn't cover this case because of the DELNIs.  What 802.3
says in regard to this sort of stuff is that you have to have SQE on for
things, except for repeater things.  

Your problems are probably being caused by one of two things:

	- DELNIs are an abortion.  They're a WONDERFUL abortion, but
	there are lots of situations where they don't work.  I suspect
	that if you pull out the DELNIs and use multiple transceivers,
	the problem will go away.  If there are lots of other devices on
	the DELNIs, you may be able to solve the problem by simply
	moving the bridges off onto their own transceivers.

	- something else, especially a repeater (DEMPR, DESPR, DEREP,
	and most 10BASET gear) is plugged into the DELNIs.  If so, you
	need to unplug the repeater and put it on its own H4005, with
	heartbeat (really: SQE) turned off. 

The picture you draw, though, is a little funny.  Is there some fiber
cable in the LANbridge 100?  Otherwise, why not plug both systems in
the same cluster on the same side of the bridge?  

>A well-known networking
>consultant says yes, VAX 6000-4xx systems *must* have the heartbeat; but

Which one?  Well-known doesn't always mean competent.  Present company
excluded, of course.

Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719 
Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
BITNET: jms@Arizona  Internet: jms@arizona.edu  SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
I don't know WHY I said that..  I think it came from the FILLINGS
 in my rear molars..

PS: Speaking of which, I've got a DELNI and a DESPR that I discovered I'll
never need in this lifetime.  Anyone want to make me an offer?  Both
guaranteed to work jest fine.
From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS Accounting Question...
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Is there a way to have ACCOUNTING use a file other than ACCOUNTNG.DAT when
> genreating reports for output ?  Are accounting files are closed and renamed
> at the end of every month, and we would like to get some data from an older
> file that is not called ACCOUNTNG.DAT.

Have you tried HELP ACCOUNT PARA ?

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: UCX 2.0 /NFS
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:08:47 GMT



14-SEP-1992 13:48:17.42
 

Hello:




Does NFS on UCX 2.0 respect VMS group identifier ACL's ? I know
that on 1.3a, it only allows you to deny access using VMS Group 
identifiers but it will not respect ownership or ACL protections
releted to VMS Group identifiers. I'm getting ready to install 2.0 
and that would be a wonderful bonus because we have alot of users 
that link form ULTRIX to VMS and we'd like to clean up some of the 
protection problems we've been having. When I contacted DEC about 
this problem a while back they implied that 2.0 might fix it.


BTW--any tips from those of you have already installed 2.0. 

Thanks in Advance

Kevin R. McHenry
Computer Systems Administrator
North Carolina State University 







Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:15110 comp.sys.dec:5011
From: robinson@porter.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: VAX/VMS Operations Manual Available via FTP
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Date: 16 Sep 1992 00:18:01 GMT
Organization: Brown University, Providence RI 02912
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stout.geo.brown.edu
Summary: Michael Pye's Contribution To COMP.OS.VMS
Keywords: VMS, VAX, OPERATIONS, MANUAL, FTP, AVAILABLE


For immediate release!  9/15/92

The VAX/VMS Operations Manual that Michael Pye offered in ASCII
form (and via USMail) is now available via FTP from the host:

                 imbrium.geo.brown.edu

There are many different formats of the data and here's a summary
of the formats that there are:

Word 3.x for Macintosh
Word 5.x for Macintosh
MacWrite II for5 Macintosh
Interchange format (multiple formats)
Word for Winedows 1.0
Word for Windows 2.0
Word for DOS
Word Perfect 5.0
Word Perfect 5.1
Postscript
(And a self-extracting Macintosh Postscript file)


There are also two other files, operations_manual.ascii and 
operations_manual.ascii.ff, which are ASCII versions of the manual.

They are located in the directory:

               /pub/vms/operations

IMPORTANT: To access this FTP server...

   When prompted for your E-Mail address (as password) just use your
username followed by @ and hit <RETURN>.  I.E. 'robinson@'  My FTP
server is VERY picky about FQDNs!  Trust me!


Thanks to Michael Pye once again for making these available!

Darrin
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pack@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Daniel Packman)
Subject: Re: page file name not available
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:34:49 GMT

In article <FB257E096E7FC126B1@sb.hhs.dk> ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
>> What causes subject msg to appear in "show mem"?  Most nodes show the
>> name of the device and file, but a couple nodes do not for page and swap.
>
>A little experimentation has convinced my that SHOW MEM will always show
>filename for primary pagefile and swapfile but only show filename for
>secondary pagefiles, if you have read access to the file !?!?
>
>Can anyone confirm this ?

Indeed, this inconsistent pagefile treatment has been with VMS for
quite a few versions.  I complained to DEC a couple of years ago that
this was a bug, but didn't really get any response.  The treatment of
the visibility of the primary pagefile name is tied to the directory
(and those above) which contains the pagefile.  This is consistent with
the filesystem protection scheme and (IMHO) should be applied to
secondary pagefiles.

--
Dan Packman     NCAR                             INTERNET: pack@ncar.UCAR.EDU
(303) 497-1427  P.O. Box 3000
                Boulder, CO  80307-3000        NSI/DECNET: 9583::PACK
From: an288@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Hittinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VMS 5.5-1 linker gotcha
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: an288@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Hittinger)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hey dudes when you upgrade keep a copy of the vms 5.4 link.exe around.
I ran into a problem with some third party shareable images that the
5.5 linker complains about (probably rightly).  Naturally the images
are from defunct companies (good old murphy).  The 5.4 link image 
will generate exe's without complaining.
-- 
--------
NO DAD!! You're supposed to type it in with downer case letters!
From: wipke@moleng.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Dump file advice?
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:11:38 GMT
Organization: UCSC Molecular Engineering Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: moleng.ucsc.edu

Is it necessary to have a separate dump file for every satellite
node as a separate file?  I recall some discussion of letting it share
the pagefile?  We are not expecting to ever look at a dump, so it is
a matter of maximizing disk space.  How does one change its location?

Todd Wipke
UCSC
wipke@secs.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Dump file advice?
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.140200.4404@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>In article <7SEP92.23113803@moleng.ucsc.edu>, wipke@moleng.ucsc.edu writes:
>>Is it necessary to have a separate dump file for every satellite
>>node as a separate file?  I recall some discussion of letting it share
>>the pagefile?  We are not expecting to ever look at a dump, so it is
>>a matter of maximizing disk space.  How does one change its location?
>
>If you're never going to use it, then why even create it? Just run
>SYS$UPDATE:SWAPFILES.COM and ask for a zero-page dump file, then after
>the next reboot purge the old dump file (don't purge it before rebooting).
>And set SYSDUMP to 0 in MODPARAMS.DAT so that AUTOGEN doesn't create
>one for you.

Let me attempt to correct myself before the nit-pickers get to it. The
line in MODPARAMS.DAT should set DUMPFILE to 0, not SYSDUMP.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
=============================================================================
From: SRDANIELS@RCKHRST1.BITNET ("SCOTT R. DANIELS")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Looking for Lantronix
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:54:57 GMT
Organization: The Internet

> I need to obtain an up-to-date TSCODE8.SYS for an early Lantronix ETS-8
> terminal server. Are Lantronix on the internet? Failing that, is anyone
> willing  to let me fetch (FTP or JANET TRANSFER) from their system?
>
> Before anyone flames about pirating software, perhaps I should point out
> that Lantronix have this available for Kermit on a public dial-up service.
> Trouble is I'm in the UK, Lantronix are in California, and the phone
> cost would be significant.

ftp ftp.lantronix.com
user anonymous
cd /pub
dir
status
quit

       _______     _______    _______   _______   _______         (__==__)
      / _____/\   / _____/\  / ___  /\ /______/\ /______/\          (oo)
     / /\____\/  / /\____\/ / /__/ / / \_/ /\_\/ \_/ /\_\/   /-------\/
    / /_____    / / /      / // / / /   / / /     / / /     / | K.C.|| (MOO...)
   /_____  /\  / / /      / // / / /   / / /     / / /     *  ||----||
  ______/ / / / /____    / /__/ / /   / / /     / / /         ^^    ^^
 /_______/ / /______/\  /______/ /   /_/ /     /_/ /        SRD@RCKHRST1
 \_______\/  \______\/  \______\/    \_\/      \_\/         SRD@RCKHRST2

+----------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------+
| Scott R. Daniels           |  Rockhurst College       |   +1 816.926.4065    |
| VAX/VMS Systems Programmer |  Kansas City, MO  64110  |   +1 816.926.4162    |
+----------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------+
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: thanks and a couple of questions.
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:30:07 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <00960062.A2E04480.5616@vax1.elon.edu>, harttree@VAX1.ELON.EDU ("Matt Harttree, Academic Computing") writes:
> 
> I love the emacs and it's nicer approach but I cant seem to get it to work
> (the cursor keys are being printed as ABCD [escape equiv])

The following .emacs init file will set up arrow keys, EDT and swap C-S
and C-Q with  C-\ and C-^ respectively. Edit it to suit. Most of it comes
from obscure files included with the emacs distribution.

(let ((the-table (make-string 128 0)))
  ;; Default is to translate each character into itself.
  (let ((i 0))
    (while (< i 128)
      (aset the-table i i)
      (setq i (1+ i))))
  ;; Swap C-s with C-\
  (aset the-table ?\C-\\ ?\C-s)
  (aset the-table ?\C-s ?\C-\\)
  ;; Swap C-q with C-^
  (aset the-table ?\C-^ ?\C-q)
  (aset the-table ?\C-q ?\C-^)
  (setq keyboard-translate-table the-table))
(load "[.term]vt200")
(enable-arrow-keys)
(edt-emulation-on)

-- 

Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	      Tel: (0382) 308810
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: anyone patched SWiM for VMS 5.5?
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:19:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag) writes:
> I begged my system manager to reinstall the old TWA-drivers; he called DEC
> to ask whether this is ok and they said that they will drop the support if we
> install both: TWA and FTA-devices :-(

DEC always tried to pretend the TW/PY drivers didn't exist.  The certainly
didn't support user access to them.  Both the TW/PY drivers and the FT 
driver are available when olde DECwindows is being used on a V5.4 system.

The DEC person has no right to say that other parts of the system won't be
supported.  They will have the right to say "hard cheese" if the TW/PY 
drivers do cause problems.  Complain.  Bitterly.

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
From: adrian@mti.mti.com (Adrian McCarthy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Known Image confusion
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:41:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Micro Technology, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Originator: adrian@mti

Here's a puzzler.  Anybody ever seen F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE and INSTALL this
confused?

$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=ALL
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE("DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE","KNOWN")
%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
\DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE\
$ DIRECTORY DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE

Directory DISK:[DIR]

MYFILE.EXE;1


Total of 1 file.
$ INSTALL LIST/FULL DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE


DISK:<DIR>.EXE
   MYFILE
%INSTALL-E-NOVER, no file version obtained for    MYFILE
%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file

        Entry access count         = 1

$ INSTALL ADD DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE/OPEN/HEADER/SHARE
%INSTALL-E-FAIL, failed to CREATE entry for DISK:<DIR>MYFILE.EXE
-INSTALL-E-EXISTS, Known File Entry for a version of this file already exists

Now, an INSTALL REPLACE works just fine.  The annoying part is that my
command procedure which is trying to install such a file tries to use
F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE to determine if it should do an ADD or a REPLACE, but
that seems unreliable as this situation demonstrates.  I'm also not sure
how I managed to get MYFILE into this situation -- I'm not sure how to
replace it.

VMS V5.5.  Any tips or clues or suggestions or explanations?

Thanks,
Aid.  (adrian@lexcel.com)
From: bierbach@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: File transfer problem with Zmodem
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:23:46 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

I am having a very hard time using either SZ or ZMODEM for VMS to 
download files to my Macintosh. Every time I start the transfer, I see 
a warning message from VMS "WARNING: No ALT_TYPEAHEAD". What can I do 
to fix this? Also, transfers using XMODEM.EXE work OK for me, except 
for the fact that any carriage returns in a text file are replaced 
with spaces that force the next line to wrap. This is making it very 
difficult for me to decode uuencoded or binhexed files on my Mac 
without first searching and replacing the spaces with CR using a word 
processor.  By the way, there is nothing wrong with my computer or my 
term program, because I never had problems like this when using sz or 
sx on Unix.
Thanks,
   Jeremy

-- 
Jeremy B. Bierbach
		Georgetown University
		Washington, DC, USA
				bierbach@guvax.georgetown.edu
				bierbach@guvax.bitnet
From: shoecraf@mc.bitnet (Steve Shoecraft)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: smg$ library
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:37:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:16:57.66 MST


 
> I try to call it from a COM file it acts like someone is contiuously
> pressing the ENTER key.  Anyone have any idea what could be causing
 
    This can be eliminated by defining SYS$INPUT as SYS$COMMAND in your .COM
procedure before running your program, i.e.:
 
        $ DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND
 
    If you would rather your program work the same way, regardless of what
SYS$INPUT is set to, you could call $GETJPI to get the terminal name prior to
your call to SMG$CREATE_PASTEBOARD. Here is some sample C code that will do
this for you:
 
        #include <jpidef.h>
 
        static char *getjpi(unsigned long);
 
        char *termname(void)
        {
                static char terminal[40];
                char *term;
                unsigned long status;
 
                term = getjpi(JPI$_TERMINAL);
                if (status & 1) {
                        term[term[0]] = 0;
                        sprintf(&terminal,"%s:",term+1);
                }
                else {
                        terminal[0] = 0;
                        strcat(terminal,"SYS$OUTPUT:");
                }
                return(&terminal);
        }
 
        static char *getjpi(unsigned long item_id)
        {
                static char ret_info[256];
                char ret_len;
                struct item {
                        short buflen;
                        short code;
                        char *buffer;
                        long *retlen;
                };
                struct item_list_3 {
                        struct item info;
                        struct item nullitem;
                } list = {
                        { 255,item_id,&ret_info+1,&ret_len },
                        { 0, 0, 0, 0 }
                };
                unsigned long status, pid = 0;
 
                ret_info[0] = 0;
                status = sys$getjpi(NULL,NULL,NULL,&list,NULL,NULL,NULL);
                if (!status & 1)
                        printf("status: %x\n",status);
                ret_info[0] = ret_len;
                return(&ret_info);
        }
 
    Also, keep in mind that once you have created the pasteboard, you can then
get information on what type of terminal you are using by calling
SMG$GET_PASTEBOARD_ATTRIBUTES. This returns the information in a 'pasteboard
information block', and will have stuff like the physical device type, device
class, etc... Using this information, you can determine whether or not your
program should continue or not... Hope this helps...
 
Steve Shoecraft
SHOECRAFT@MC.MARICOPA.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Decwindows Motif development tools
Organization: NRC - Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:08:14 GMT


Can someone give me advice as to what tools I need in order to
start developing DECwindows Motif applications under VMS.

I know there is a package called DECwindows Tools Package for 
Motif. Also, there are 20+ manuals available from DEC. I would
be interested in knowing which manuals people have found to
be essential.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Keith Mews
Systems Analyst
National Research Council
Institute for Marine Dynamics
St. John's, NF
kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
From: przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Przemek Klosowski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Looking for a DCL-com-to-Unix-shell-script converter
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:52:59 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland/NIST
In-reply-to: vaxinf@V36.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE's message of 11 Sep 92 20:39:58 GMT

In article <0096069D.C920CAC0.436@v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> vaxinf@V36.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE writes:

   These com-files make only few setup definitions (Fortran-channels etc)
   and then start the program. 
   In order to make my work easier it would be fine to get a program that
   gives me a first proposal, how the unix-commands should look like.
   Because I think it's a problem that many people in a mixed environment
   have, it's time to collect the solutions (if any) and post the replies.

Actually, I believe that it would be advantageous to write the 
scripts in Perl (available both on VMS and Unix); this way there
would be no need to translate them at all.

	
--
			przemek klosowski (przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov)
			Reactor Division (bldg. 235), E111
			National Institute of Standards and Technology
			Gaithersburg, MD 20899,      USA

			(301) 975 6249
From: jis@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: what's the maximom size of page under motif v1.1a (big fond)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:21:10 -0500


Under decwindow big fond, the maximum size of a page is 40. But motif v1.1A 
only has maximum of 38 lines in a page. If you "set term/page=40", you miss 
two lines.

I wonder if this is a bug in motif or not.

Thanks,
jennifer
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: CSLG licensing of VMS
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:50:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <4204@winnie.fit.edu>, karin@zach.fit.edu (Karin Nicholson) writes:

[I'm discussing this in general terms, not CSLG ones. I don't think initial
VMS licenses are available via CSLG anymore, only number-of-user upgrades]

> Some things to keep in mind when you do this:
> 1) Be darn sure that the machine you buy has the latest version of VMS, else 
>    you will have to pay to upgrade.  The numbers for the upgrade are 
>    proportional to the upgrade, so the older the version the more bucks you
>    have to surrender to Uncle DEC.

  This isn't correct. The part number for an "Update License" (QL-001A?-R? for
unlimited user licenses, QL-001A?-Y? for user-based licenses) varies only by
processor model, not by age of the license. Of course, you'll still need to
but the media and doc for the update ("H kit").

  Thus, a license entitling an 8350 to go from any VMS version it was prev-
iously licensed for to the current version is QL-001AH-R5 at $4380 (CLP).
[p. 1-p, "U.S. Software Price List", 7/29/92, EE-C0824-98]

  The following is a direct quote from the same publication, p. 862:

"Q: If my current version is several versions behind  Digital's current version,
   how many Update Licenses do I have to buy?

A: Only one for each underlying license. For example if you are currently licen-
   sed to run version 4.2 and Digital's current version is 5.2 a single Update
   License will give you the right to run 5.2 or any earlier version. You would
   not need to buy individual Update Licenses for versions 4.4, 4.5, ... 5.0 or
   5.1"

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms