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From: ghond@acca.nmsu.edu (ICE-9)
Subject: Planetariums (was Re: I have seen God and his name is The Aphex Twin)
Keywords: Aphex Twin	(Tune In - Turn On - Drop Out)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212343.24024@athena.mit.edu>
nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira) writes:

> I think they should have raves in planetariums (LASER TECHNO!!)
> ...everyone relaxed and dosed in those reclined chairs
> and then the huge hemispheric screen and a
> powerful sound system to zoom you around the universe.

YESyesYESyesYES!  What an absolutely brilliant idea.
I shall storm into the Toronto Planetarium and 
DEMAND.  LASER ORB.  NOW.

-- Stephen
-- 
stephen white			| the priests and the friars
ghond@sloth.nmsu.edu		| approach me in dread
				| because i still love you,
				| my love, and you're dead - s. o'connor
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Q: The Orb = Orbital?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:14:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug13.201438.30923@watson.ibm.com> danm@watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe) writes:
>Are The Orb and Orbital the same band?

No.

>				All of The Orb releases that I have
>are quite detailed about who plays, etc. The one Orbital release that I have
>doesn't say diddly.

Orbital are definitely different people, although who they are is not
available to me at work.

It's also worth noting that William Orbit (who has remixed some Shamen
tunes and sounds a bit similar as well) is not connected with either the
Orb or Orbital.  Wheeeeeeeeeee. :-)
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
  It should never be forgotten that during all the time we were studying bats,
                   bats had a unique opportunity to study us.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ericp@netcom.com (Eric Pederson)
Subject: Re: 777 (with Derrick May!)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:15:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <168489252.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Just heard some new stuff from 777 (CD on Caroline Records).
> 
>Very danceable. Steve Hillage appears here, as does Derrick May (influential
>figure in Detroit Techno).
> 
>I was most impressed by the use of guitars which sound like sequenced
>synthesizer. No doubt this is Steve Hillage's work (b*stard beat me to it! ;-)
> 
>Sorry but I have *no other info* at this time, but I am going to pick this
>one up as soon as I can! I post a follow-up later.
> 
>Anybody else have info on this?

After reading alt.config (I vote no by the way) I remembered this post.
I saw the blurb about 777 in the last DMR (Dance Music Rag) and it sounds
like System 7 is going under 777 domestically, unless DMR made an error
which has been known to happen.  System 7 is, by the way, Steve Hillage
and friends like Derrick May, ALex Patterson, et al.  Their album
is on Ten Records from the UK and is pretty good, IMHO.  General net consensus
is that it's OK.  There have been a number of singles released from it including
"Haibibi" and the most recent single (the one with Derrick May) "Altitude".
"Altitude" was released in the UK as a double-12" single with around
6 or so mixes.  There's some techoish mixes that sound like the
album version and some house mixes featuring Ultra Nate.  The more heavy
duty Orb-heads around here probably have some more info on it.

BTW - The new Grid single came in the double-12" packaging but said
on the back in fine print "Other single available seperately".  Weak!

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Pisano)
Subject: RAVES in the Chicago Area Tonight?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:45:03 GMT

Is there anything going on worth a road trip for in the Chicago area?

-mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Xref: sparky alt.rave:2347 rec.travel:11819 alt.music.alternative:9189
From: torsten@daimi.aau.dk (Torsten B. Hagemann)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.travel,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Clubs in NYC
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:53:51 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

Had a copy of this old posting, enjoy.



From rec.music.bluenote Thu Jul 16 16:38:32 1992
Xref: daimi rec.music.bluenote:14348 rec.music.info:208
From: wjh@homxc.att.com (William J Hery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.info
Subject: INFO: Jazz club list [USA+Canada+Europe]
Date: 14 Jul 92 13:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: wjh@homxc.att.com
Followup-To: poster
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Originator: recmusic@galaxy


NY, NY AREA
__________________________________________________________________________
Birdland               212-749-2228     2745 Broadway/105th St
Blue Note              212-475-8592     131 W 3d e/6th Ave
Bottom Line            212-228-7880     14 W 4th/Mercer
Bradley's              212-473-9700     70 University Place/11th
Cornelias St Cafe      212-989-9319     29 Cornelia St
Condon's               212-254-0960     117 E 15th St
DeFemio's              ?                ? (Yonkers, NY)
Fat Tuesday's          212-533-7902     190 3d Ave/17th St
Fortune Garden Pav.    212-753-0101     209 E. 49th/3rd Ave.
IMAC                   516-549-ARTS     Rte 110/ S rte 25A Huntington LI
Indigo Blues           212-221-0033     221 W 46th St
J's                    212-666-3600     2581 Broadway
Knitting Factory       212-219-3055     47 E Houston/2 bl E/Bway
                       (3006)
Knickerbocker's        212-228-4890     33 University Place/9th
M. K. Nightclub        212-779-1340     204 5th Av/25th st
SOB's                  212-243-4940     204 Varick St/Houston
Sweet Basil            212-242-1785     88 7th Ave So./Bleecker
Trumpet's              201-746-6100     Montclair NJ
Village Gate           212-475-5120     160 Bleecker/Thompson


Village Vanguard       212-255-4037     178 7th Ave. So./11th st.
Visiones               212-673-5576     125 McDougal St
Zanzibar and Grill     ?                550 3rd Ave bet 36&37 st.
Zinno                  212-924-5182     126 W 13th st



A note on addresses: wherever possible I have included cross streets,
using the following notation:

A/B--on A near the intersection with B
A n/B--on A north of B (or south, east, west)
A/B&C--on A between B and C
In some cases, the intersection is not  necessarily  the  closest
one,  but  the  closest  major  cross  street.  This list will be
posted periodically or when major changes are made.  It will also
be  mailed  on request in response to email or rec.music.bluenote
requests.  Any new information or corrections can be sent to:

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM


--
The flesh is willing, and the spirit is weak. 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Q: The Orb = Orbital?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:16:51 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Distribution: usa

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

> It's also worth noting that William Orbit (who has remixed some Shamen
> tunes and sounds a bit similar as well) is not connected with either the
> Orb or Orbital.  Wheeeeeeeeeee. :-) 

Well, neither is Roy Orbison, for that matter.  (Orbital could do a track
called "Roy Orbison Is Dead" and have The Orb and William Orbit remix it,
and I'd even buy it.)

Orbit was doing techno long before Orb or Orbital were a gleam in anyone's
eye.  The first time I heard "Prepare To Energize" about six months ago, I
thought it was a current track.  Imagine my surprise when I saw the *1983*
copyright date. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Show me how you do that trick -- the one that makes me scream, she said
From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Q: The Orb = Orbital?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:51:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

>
>Orbit was doing techno long before Orb or Orbital were a gleam in anyone's
>eye.  The first time I heard "Prepare To Energize" about six months ago, I
>thought it was a current track.  Imagine my surprise when I saw the *1983*
>copyright date. 
>

 true, but then again, orbital was the first group to chart a techno hit
in the uk, when "chime" hit #17 back in 1990.
(of course chime doesn't sound a damn thing like the "techno" nowadays)

yours,m
From: st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: U96
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:24:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug20.214210.5227@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung) writes...
>U96: who are they and what have they put out so far?
>thanks,
>-r.
> 
> 
> 
>--
>|| ______  ____________  Rich Yeung                 |  i'm too sexy for  ||
>|| \    / ____________  HB 3715 Dartmouth College   |     this .sig      ||
>||  \  / ____________  Hanover, NH 03755            | ------------------ ||
>||   \/ ____________  shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu    |   STRIKE A POSE.   ||

U96 has put out "Das Boot" (album and title-track).
Their songs have a lot to do with submarines and underwater
sounds... but, it is DEFINITELY techno!  Some songs are even
considered rave, such as "Der Kommandant"
There's even some house sound, like " Ambient Underworld"
which has rap and piano-bits..

Overall it's fairly fast, loudly-recorded CD with hard pounding,
constant bass..   The uniqueness of U96 is that they have some
synth sound which sounds (mostly in minor key) which sound like 
it's from a movie (submarine movie?)..   they're unique.

BS
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ftsomers@cs.tcd.ie (fergal somers)
Subject: Re: best of techno-rave?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.053734.12882@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung) writes:
>if you were to make a best-of-technorave tape, what would you put on it?

List in no apparent order... 
t99 - anasthesia 
Bizarre Inc. - playing with knives (the version with no singing).
Apotheosis - O'Fortuna (although it does grate after a while)
The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds (rave mix)
Art Of Noise (their last one - can't remember the name)
??? - (something with the line "Bassline Ticking - Yeah I'm Grooin'"
	which no-one out there seems to be able to identify)
Noise Factory - Be Free.
Urban Hype - Trip To Trumpton (for the silly)
Altern8 - Frequency
SL2 - On A Ragga Tip
Anything from the Techno Warlords (cos their from sheffield)

-- 
|boingboingboingboingboingboingboingboingboin~ Fergal  "no sleep till bedtime"|
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|          THROUGH INSANITY                  ~ JEDER FUER SICH UND GOTT GEGEN |
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From: bbehlen@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Free rave in Bay Area???
Date: 17 Aug 1992 08:35:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug16.202116.27399@muddcs.claremont.edu> ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3) writes:
>Does anybody know what's up with the free rave goin on this week
>up north?  I heard it is supposed to be really big.

Well, if you were on sfraves you'd know all about it....

	Brian

p.s. - anyone know where I can rent some big bass bins up here?
From: rodal@reznor.cmw.ltn.dec.com (A Software Hooligan)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Good club in atlanta?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:51:08 GMT
Reply-To: rodal@reznor.cmw.ltn.dec.com (A Software Hooligan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


OK, here it goes, I had a friend that said he visited this
4 story club in atlanta that had heaven, pergatory(sp?) and Hell
as 3 of the 4 story's, but he can't remember the name of the club.

	Anybody know of this club, it's name, and generally how
to get there, or at least if it is in atlanta proper?


	Thanks
	dave
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Orbital
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.153047.6767@javelin.sim.es.com>, pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes...
> 
>I _was_ looking forward to seeing Orbital somewhere this summer, but so far,
>they haven't seen fit to hit stateside (except from the CMJ New Music
>Seminar).  Does anyone have any idea if they are on the way?

Is this Orbital which had that song (sound) called "Chime?"

Is Orbital good?  What're they comparable to?
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: BASE, was: Re: Orbital comments, explaination in layman's terms...
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:27:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

BASE is the same thing as roland's 3d sound idea, i assume. (only kiss FM and a
few select studios have this machine)

a speaker, at head level is placed inside a room. the room is miked in all
directions and a few samplers are there to pick up the sound that is emitted
from the speaker (it's supposed to be the head of a human). a noise is made
from the speaker (i.e. a snare or something with direction to it, instead of
low bass frequencies, which have no direction) and all of the samplers pick up
the noise. the waveforms are compared to each other, and an algorhythmic
equation is produced for each waveform. these are fed into a computer, and what
i assume is that there is a xyz coordinate plane with the model of the human on
it. the track that is panning the music can be drawn in real time or point/line
by point/line. this affects how much panning goes to one side or the other.
also, the computer has figured out the differences in reverb from above the
subject, in front of the subject, and whatever else direction. this is why the
sound on **farenheit 3d** gets weaker as it goes to the center and stronger to
one side. i guess that is the ultra condensed version...

sines
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu (Digital Druid)
Subject: utah saints video
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:07:17 GMT

  Since I was home this sunday night, I was up to watch 120 mins. on MTV.
It's not where I learn about new music, but it's stil fun (and will
someone tell dave  kendal to get a clue!@!!!!)  but they had the video
for "Something Good" by The Utah Saints.  It was pretty good...basically
a few onstage shots (they were playing real bass and guitar?  where is that
in the music), sped up car going through traffic with colors like the album
cover, and a few shots of Kate Bush (I think???) with some machine.
Did anyone else catch this?

cyberpun@wam.umd.edu
From: eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Alt.Music.techno Shot Down...
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:53:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.175251.4777@csus.edu>
arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
...
>feel strongly either way -- especially if you *do* want to see
>alt.music.techno. -- then jam on over to alt.config and let your views
>be known -- but wear an asbestos suit.  ;<)
 
and wear some pants too!   ;-)
 
Thanks Art. For an imaginary person, you're OK!
--Eric
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: What's that Orb?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:21:49 GMT

(fergal somers) writes:

>The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds (rave mix)

what/where/who/huh?  Is this a dj mix or something?  I'm not familiar with
it... tell me more

>Art Of Noise (their last one - can't remember the name)

Instruments Of Darkness (all of us are one people)  [a prodigy remix]


Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
From: bekowski@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (Rebecca Churchbells Bekowski)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: raves in the Denver area ??
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: bekowski@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (Rebecca Churchbells Bekowski)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cruzio Community Networking Service


Would someone forward a list of raves in or around
Denver??


okey dokey.


- rebecca -
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.music.alternative,rec.travel
From: ccx009@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley)
Subject: Record shops in NYC
Followup-To: alt.rave,alt.music.alternative,rec.travel,poster
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:58:50 GMT


Can anyone supply with a list of decent record stores to check out in 
New York, as I'll be there sometime towards the end of the month.
I'm looking for specialist Dance Music shops that keep house/garage/
soul/techno. 

Thanks for any info

-- 
						_
					       /-\dam

FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.travel,alt.music.alternative
From: ccx009@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley)
Subject: Clubs in NYC
Followup-To: alt.rave,rec.travel,alt.music.alternative,poster
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:53:34 GMT


This is a fairly straight forward question. Can anyone reccomend which
Night Clubs I should visit whilst staying in New York? Where do people
like Tony Humprhies and David Morales play? I'm into house/soul/soft
techno. What kind of price do these places charge? Are they members-only 
places?

thanks for any info.


-- 
						_
					       /-\dam

FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: robcamp@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Campanell)
Subject: Re: No San Diego Raves?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:40:44 GMT



John Wells, producer of FLUX, has a SD rave hotline.  The number is
(619) 234-3704

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From: dedos3@wsinfo10.info.win.tue.nl (Wilco Boumans)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Q: The Orb = Orbital?
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:41:07 GMT
Reply-To: dedos3@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Aug13.201438.30923@watson.ibm.com> danm@grumpy.watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe) writes:
>Are The Orb and Orbital the same band? All of The Orb releases that I have
>are quite detailed about who plays, etc. The one Orbital release that I have
>doesn't say diddly.
>

Definately not!  Though, I don't know who form Orbital, I'm sure they've got
nothing to do with the Orb. 

>Based on the sound of the two, I could believe that they are the same
>bands, but there are enough differences that I am uncertain.
>

I attended a Orbital gig about two months ago (never heard any of their
music before) and I really liked it. Though there were some similarities
with the Orb music, it was a little relaxing (melow :-).



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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bt@bailey.u.washington.edu (bt garner)
Subject: Re: What's that Orb?
Organization: Process Modeling Group
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:00:25 GMT

In the yet unpublished autobiography titled <1992Aug18.154105.12153@cs.tcd.ie>,
ftsomers@cs.tcd.ie (fergal somers) writes:
>>>The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds (rave mix)
>It appears on a compilation album to raise money for CND. So whether it
>exists in the US, I can't say - it certainly exists in the UK. The
>compilation is called (I think) CND: Give peace a dance [...]

It's actually called the "Ambient Mix Mk1."

And it only exists in the US as a UK Import.   Waah.

bt garner
bt@cpac.washington.edu
Note:  The correct Reply address is in the signature, *not* the header.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Speaking of Orbital
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:30:47 GMT


I _was_ looking forward to seeing Orbital somewhere this summer, but so far,
they haven't seen fit to hit stateside (except from the CMJ New Music
Seminar).  Does anyone have any idea if they are on the way?
-- 
			  I'm not wearing any pants.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: MORE BPM!!
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:10:30 GMT

mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:

>>>(of course chime doesn't sound a damn thing like the "techno" nowadays)

>>Of course, it sounds better.

>don't get me wrong i like 'chime' but it's too damn slooow nowadays (121bpm)...
>beltram does a pretty decent remix on the domestic 12" that is 132bpm...

Errggh, excuse me, but I'm really getting burned out on the "FASTER DJ!
FASTER!" garbage.  I'm in the camp who didn't like Kaos Theory 3 very much.
It seems that producing techno now has come down to ridiculous BPMs with
speeded up vocals.  Pardon me, but this is a big fat YAWN.

Something deep and trancy moves my mind and body much more than the Buck
Rogers Aerobics music.  Coil's "The Snow" is still one my favorites, and
things like what Crystel, Dave Angel, and yes, Orbital are producing and have
produced are much more interesting than 140 bpm breakbeats with a chipmunk
stating, "Its in my brain."
-- 
			  I'm not wearing any pants.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Planetariums (was Re: I have seen God and his name is The Aphex Twin)
Keywords: Aphex Twin	(Tune In - Turn On - Drop Out)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:12:29 GMT

ghond@acca.nmsu.edu (ICE-9) writes:

>YESyesYESyesYES!  What an absolutely brilliant idea.
>I shall storm into the Toronto Planetarium and 
>DEMAND.  LASER ORB.  NOW.

Chances are, they won't be able to give it to you.  I went and visited my
local planetarium and was disappointed to find out that their laser show is
all prepackaged and designed in New York.  The "laser operator" doesn't do
much more than flip a switch and insert a VHS cassette.  Morons.
-- 
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DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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