From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:53:13 GMT
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In article <1992Oct10.111919.7469@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>I see many people in the church (the body of Christ, that is) do great things
>>>and help many people.  I see many come to know Christ personally, and there is
>>>a verse that says something like "None to God except through the Holy Spirit".
>> 
>> Thats nice. I've seen some good things done by christians as well. The 
>> negatives far outweigh the positives. I think much of the "good works" done in
>
>Possibly you are talking about "Churchians" instead.

Yes I exempt people who have a direct line to god from my comments. People
who talk to god are the ones who are _really_ screwing things up.

>> third world countries is conditional on acceptance of christianity. Also, much
>
>No, I doubt that.  Why would people by the thousands gather outside a church to
>praise and worship God (the inside was already filled!) and hear the good news?

Same reason people go to greatful dead concerts under the same conditions.
What does this have to do with xtian missionaries helping 3rd worlders on 
condition of conversion of christianity. You seem to be supporting my comments.
>   
>> of the problems in (christian) third-world countries are a direct result of
>> christianity; overpopulation, exploitation of the lower classes (xtians make 
>> ideal slaves), ecological disasters.
>
>Ahhh...no.

Nice comeback! Any figures to quote? Refutations? Just plain ol denial huh?
You would think that since you have been denying this assertion of mine for
something like 4 months now, you would be able to come up with a better answer
than that. Perhaps not.

>> As for people who know JC personally, this is pretty spooky, almost as much as
>> the previous post about necronomicon ghosties. These folks should see a 
>> shrink. Worse, what licence does knowing Jesus personally give these people?
>
>The ability to do many great things through the power of God.  (I'll leave it
>real general, unless you WANT me to be specific.)

Oh please do! Should be good for shits & giggles!

>> WHat if Jesus tells 'em to kill people (or drink cyanide cool-aide)
>
>BUT, He would not do so.

Evidence of Mr Marshall's Jesus hotline.

>>>You have a good point.  I could be that in 1611 you said "should" and it meant
>>>"shall".  I have found a lot of "old" to "new" english quirks like that.
>> 
>> Ah, openmindedness reason...
>
>Don't mistake my words there.

Whoops! I meant intolerance & ignorance.

>>>Tell me which versions you believe are inaccurate, specifically, and I'll look
>>>into the question.
>> 
>> As I suspected, you missed the point; all of them are suspect, unless you have
>> original manuscripts and can read Greek Aramaic and Hebrew. Even then, all of 
>> the Gospels were written a minimum of 50-100 yrs after the time of Jesus,
>> even by christian reconings, some (Luke for ex.) were not even present in
>> Israel at the time. If we look at the actual manuscripts we have, none are 
>> written within 300 years of the time of Jesus.
>> Actually, the least suspect records we have of early christianity are the dead 
>> sea scrolls, which paint a very different picture of early christians than
>> the accepted gospels do...
>
>Somewhat true...don't pass everything off as fiction though.

Somewhat true? What do you mean by that. Certainly not what I mean. Have you
done any research here, or are you just parroting me to skirt the issue?!

>> Take a hike!
>
>Naaa...
>(what He's saying is "whip me, beat me, make me write bad checks")

>-- 
>Evan Marshall                            ************************************
>University of Northern Iowa              *           BANG THE DRUM          *
>                                         *       Let Your Freedom Ring      *
>marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu             ************************************

What an ironic .sig

You are all Cthulhu food!!!!!!!
-Scott