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From: mlsdb2gal@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: For Crying out loud !
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:47:59 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

To: All 
Re: Gripes

Why doesn't everyone stop moaning and GET A LIFE.

Star Trek has helped shape my life, and I hold it in the highest regard.

I take the show VERY seriously.

BUT I cannot understand why people continually nit-pick over silly little
facts (ie did Kirk wear a green or a yellow tunic at Ensign Smith's birthday
party on July 13 2271) WHO CARES ?)

There's nothing wrong with debate over minutiae, but all these complaints
over stupid little things.....?

In the Words of Jimmy Doohan....Picky, Picky, Picky.

If you love Trek (as I do) you accept it faults and all.

Stop Griping and ENJOY !

Oh, and if you think Lost in Space is better, well, we don't really CARE
what you think beacuase you quite obviously don't have 2 brain cells to 
rub together.

"In every revolution, there's ONE MAN with a vision": James T. Kirk
                           The Mirror Universe - Stardate Unknown.
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From: "milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com>
Subject: klingon battle cruise
Reply-To: "milan rezac" <milan.rezac@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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Date: 15 Oct 92 12:31:57 EST

TT>Non-canon explanation: Basically, that was the first time we
TT> ever saw the inside of a Klingon
TT>ship.  As Klingon culture has expanded in TNG, some things have been
TT>"created" or "revealed" that don't quite mesh with previous shows,
TT>etc.  Relax and go with the flow.

TT>Canon explantion (attempt):  The command chair is in the middle in the
TT>STIII BoP, is probably in front in the STVI BoP, and was in front in
TT>the TNG episode where Riker served on a Klingon cruiser (name escapes me).
TT>(1) Exposing one's back to a potential enemy is a sign of strength.
TT>(2) No Klingon would attack from behind, unless he was without honor
TT> (in which case, I presume, the rest of the crew would tear him to
TT> shreds)

How 'bout this.  Since there is at all times (presumable) more than one
crewmember other than the captain on the bridge, if #1 was about to
assasinate the cap #2 would warn him and thus earn a commendation/promotion,
& a higher place in the captains favor and trust.
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From: cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero)
Subject: Re: warp overshoot
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:49:11 GMT

lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson) writes:


>  Ok, This may have been answered earlier, but...

>  When the ship is travelling at warp 7 or 8 and they come up on a planet,
>  a few micro-seconds will put them light-years away from the planet they
>  want to stop at. #1 always just says "Take us out of warp, Data" or some-
>  thing to that effect. Just those words wouyld send them past out entire
>  solar system.

>  Just curious,

>  Todd.

>  Lawson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


On this note, I always loved the TOS episodes where Kirk would make some
incredible judgement call as to when to do some maneuver...

     "Now, Mr. Sulu!"

As in ST4:TVH when going around the sun....

I guess drama isn't dead....

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From: jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov (Jethro H. Greene)
Subject: Transporter Energy
Originator: jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:04:52 GMT


I have read the tech manual and I never fully understood why the transporter
takes energy.  It converts matter into energy and then energy into matter.
Shouldn't it break even?  However, I assume that it is not totally efficient
and loses a lot of energy.  But if the transporter has to supplement energy
then why can't it supplement a whole lot more energy and make a whole lot
more people?  Finally, wouldn't it be possible to start the beam up process
with something like a rock, forget rematerializing it, and keep the extra
energy?

Jed
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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: a question....
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.214639.1116@pro-freedom.cts.com>, kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger) writes:
>this is something that has bugging me for a while:
>
>suppose your average little starship, while cruising through space
>encounters a borg ship. with your life (among others) in jeopardy you
>search for those frantic options that may yet save the day. then someone
>suggests you employ old-fashioned thermo-nuclear bombs to resolve the
>matter.
>since it is pretty much a given that the borg seemingly do not care if you
>beam over to their ship, what if you beam over one or more H-bombs (lets go
>for maximum efficency...) sealed in cases rigged to detonate if anyone
>where to try to open them (just in case..) and then detonate them as you
>move away. now, if this is late 20th century H-bomb it would have a yield
>of (approx.) 120 megatons. a spread of a dozen or so propably would be
>enough to cause massive damage upon detonation alone. but say the borg are
>able to withstand even such a large scale attack from within - they still
>face the side effect of a massive electro magnetic current that would fry
>any electrical circuit in use at the time. given the fact that the borg
>ships are seemingly constructed of electric circutry, we could assume that
>they would quite incapacitated and could be made subject to further attacks
>in case some redundant circuits are activated. this would seem to be a
>surefire way to bag a borg. why hasn't anyone considered this as an option?
>in BOBW they say it'll another two years untill they'll have something
>online to do the job. could anyone explain to me why using nukes won't
>work?
>
>
This is a variation on the transporter-as weapon thread.
In the case of the Borg, individual Borg did go about their business
ignoring the Ent crew, but collectively they put up an electromagnetic
field that blocked transporter function.

Presumably they have internal sensors.  They don't respond to individual
humans unless they start messing around, but if they detected H-bombs
(or more likely photorps) they would take intruder defense measures.

Still, the general concept is a plot hole that has yet to be filled.


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From: 00rbspelman@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: a question....
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:46:26 GMT

In article <23818@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling) writes:
> In article <QeqoMOC00Uh7Q4ppJG@andrew.cmu.edu> ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes:
>>As far as electromagnetic pulses from a nuke affecting 24th century
>>computers, wouldn't most of the computers be digital by then?  Yes, I
>>have the Tech Manual, but it's not with me at this moment.
> 
> As far as I know, almost all non-specialized computers in existence today are
> digital. They would still be wiped out...
> 
> Maybe you meant that in the future they might have photon circuits, vs. 
> electron circuits, and that is very possible (in fact, we may have that
> within the next 10 years), but the ST:TNG Tech Manual does not say that
> they use light-based computers, so I assume they are still using 
> circuits of a more conventional nature.
> 
> william@cs.arizona.edu

According to the TNG tech manual the computers use subspace communication back
and forth between their processors so that the effective transmission speed
is FTL...

Robert Spelman
bsu-cs.bsu.edu
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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Toilets on the Enterprise (TOS)
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:55:47 GMT

In article <22860@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
>Did anyone notice in Star Trek V what Kirk was sitting on when he, McCoy,
>and Spoke were placed into the brig?  He was standing against the wall
>with a sign that said "Do not use in space dock."  He then pushed a button
>and out came a seat.
>On trains, the bathrooms have signs that say "Do not use in station" because
>the waste is flushed directly over the tracks.
>Thus, was this thin that Kirk was sitting on a toilet?
>
YES!
(and my father, the son of an old railroad worker, said it was
his best laugh in the movie.)
From: cosc1871@elroy.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Shield Question
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:54:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <q#vza2b@rpi.edu>, petitc@rpi.edu writes...
> 
> We all know that the shield generators are effected through conduits inside the
>hull.  So, what happens when the E. is hit.  Do the shields just plain collapse,
>since the shield 'bubble' is no longer symmetric?  Or are the areas that still
>have the hull protected.  I'd assume it's the former, since they mention in the
>TM that the shields make a massive spatial distortion, and it wouldn't work
>if part of the bubble were missing.
> 

Depends on the period of the ship.  If it were pre-NCC-1701-C then if there were
any hull damage it would only affect the localized portions of the shields since
the shields work differently than the ones described by the TNG TM.  I think
somewhere along the line that the shields on the TNG ship would still remain
active despite hull damage (Hmmm, I haven't seen the ship shot up yet, though :)

Then again, I believe under most circumstances that if you lost your shield 
and took a hull breach... well, the ship is as good as an ionized twisted hulk
(or worse) that is destined to tumble through space.  Unless you were on
Kirk's ship that is :)
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From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:23:37 GMT

>Question: Why do I never see anyone taking 
the stairs?>I hate it when people use the elevator I'm on just to go up one 
flight.>-- 
>Bruce James Robert Linley | 

During the Post-Atomic Horror, a cultural/technological upheaval occured 
which resulted in the permanent loss to humanity of both the stairwell 
and the doorknob.
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Bio filters in transporters..
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:43:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Oct15.224338.3437
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <EJH.92Oct14100148@khonshu.colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>
>You are mistaken in saying that just because it's not on your desk
>it's not possible. The fact is, there's really not much commercial
>interest in such a machine. It would just be astronomical in cost. But
>it's clearly on the horizon now. If you got the top 100 programmers in
>the world together with the best equipment money could buy, you could
>probably get a computer that would respond like a real person. The
>question is, who would pay for it, and once you did it, what good
>would it be to anyone? Even the AI community, which is dedicated to
>just such an idea, is drifting more into real-world applications.
>
>Sure, I understand that in time this kind of thing could become common
>as the programming gets done in the course of time and the computers
>get more and more powerful, but my point is that it's a very
>straightforward extrapolation of today's technology. I honestly expect
>to see this kind of computer within my lifetime - not 300 years from
>now!

Not unless we switch to something other then silicon and metals for memory
and circuits. Because such a thing as what they have on Star Trek would
require LARGE sums of memory (beyond what you can conceive with conventional
DRAM/SIMM/or whatever chips). Also you would have to convince one of our
Digital thinking 1's and 0's type of machine to think more like a person,
in Analog. Not an easy task.....

Gary
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Klingon Battle Cruisers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:46:50 GMT

In article <BvsLG6.Kxq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog) writes:
>
>Does anyone know (offhand of course) the relative sizes (crew and dimension)
>of a Bird of Prey as opposed to a Battle Cruiser?  Obvious differences 
>include the Bird of Prey's ability to cloak, and that gnarly little photon
>torpedo port up front, but is there anything else of importance?

There is no official size.  The puny ship seen on the surface of Vulcan,
the enormous ship dwarfing the merchant vessel, and the one that picked
up the whales simply aren't compatible.  This is the first ship for
which Paramount never published official statistics-- perhaps because
they didn't know either.  FASA lists three ships with that design,
varying greatly in size.

Then, of course, there are the TNG ships, which are even bigger, but
still the same model...

The Battle Cruiser's size is well-known, though.  It's about the same
length as 1701.  Look in "The Making of Star Trek" for a comparison
diagram (which is canon, because it was reproduced on a briefing-room
screen in a few episodes).  Paramount has been much more consistent in
photographing this model.

>(called a D-cruiser?  My memory fails
>me from the FASA role-playing and battle simulation games but I'll probably
>get into trouble for citing non-canon material so I should stop now).

"D-7" is the widely accepted term, which was not invented by FASA but
rather by the TOS staff.

>And what of other function-specific Klingon vessels?  Scout ships (for
>greater stealth than Birds of Prey)?  Surely the Klingon technology must
>warrant *some* greater diversity of ship than what we have seen.

Of course there are, but they don't send a puny vessel against the big
E! :)

The BOP in STIII was called a Scout by Sulu.  Aside from that,
everything else seen has been labeled a Cruiser.  For a few more
unofficial designs, look in Mandel's "Enterprise Officer's Manual", or
FASA's "Klingon Ship Recognition Manual" (in spite of it's being a FASA
product, some of the vessels look good.  Ignore the text, though.)

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From: griffith@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith)
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Subject: Recent Colm Meaney sightings
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Gee, I love being able to approve my own articles.  Cuts out the middleman...

Colm has a couple of roles in recent moves.  He's credited in _LAST OF THE
MOHICANS_ as a British Major (probably in the opening scenes - I didn't notice
him, so you probably have to look closely), and he has a significant role in
_UNDER SIEGE_, the new Steven Seagal movie.  Looks like _FAR AND AWAY_ has
done wonders for his reuptation.

				Jim

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Subject: upcoming Trek books
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The following is a list of upcoming Trek books from Sep 1992 issue of Locus:

Nov 92:
"Star Trek: Best Destiny" by Diane Carey (hardcover)
"Star Trek #62: Death Count" by L.A.Graf
"Star Trek TNG Companion" by Larry Nemecek
Dec 92:
"Star Trek TNG #24: Nightshade" by Laurell K. Hamilton
Jan 93:
"Star Trek: Probe" by Margaret Wander Bonnano
Feb 93:
"Star Trek DS9 #1"
"Star Trek Compendium" (revised) by Allan Asherman
"Star Trek #63: The Shell Game" by Melissa Libachter
Mar 93:
"Star Trek TNG #25: Grounded" by Dave Bishoff
Apr 93:
"Star Trek TNG: The Devil's Hart" by Carmen Carter (hardcover)
"Star Trek #64: A Better Mousetrap" by Mel Gilden
"Star Trek TNG Chronology: The History of the Future" by Mike Okuda
May 93:
"Star Trek TNG #26: Guises of the Mind" by Rebecca Neason
Jun 93:
"Star Trek #65: Windows on a Lost World" by V.E Mitchel


Also from the same issue:
Pocket books has cancelled the hardcover "Star Trek: The God Thing" by Gene 
Roddenberry and Michael Jan Friedman, because of objections from the
Roddenberry estate.

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
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Subject: Promos for: SCHISMS (#231)
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Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:36:52 GMT
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Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "Schisms" (#231) were released today.
The actual program will air starting on Saturday, October 17th.  Following 
this will be four more new episodes: Q-Me, Rascals, A Fistful of Datas, and
The Quality of Life.


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

WITHOUT WARNING AND NO EXPLANATION, AN EXPERIMENT IN TERROR HAS BEGIN.

  [ A patient collapses and Bev catches her ]
  [ Worf recoils from Mr. Mott's scissors ]
  [ Geordi, Riker and aliens in a holodeck room ]

 Geordi:  I've been in this room before.

 Riker:  We've all been in here before.

HAVE CREW MEMBERS BEEN KIDNAPED AND MEMORIES ERASED?      [(Naawww :)]

  [ Riker unconscious on alien examination table ]

  [ Picard and Geordi talking to... ]

 Picard:  I need to know if anyone comes on or off this ship.

  [ Bev and MedTech in Sickbay, examining Riker ]

 Bev:  It looks as though your arm has been severed and then reattached.

AND WILL THEY BE SACRIFICED AS HUMAN GUINEA PIGS?

  [ Riker on table in alien lab, a green alien (Tetryon) examines him ]

  [ Worf and Picard on the bridge ]

 Work:  Commander Riker has been taken from the Enterprise.

  [ Riker awakens on alien examination table ]

ON AN ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.


Short promo:
  The crew of the Enterprise become helpless victims of deadly
  alien experiments, on Star Trek: The Next Generation.


-{ Dean Adams }-

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Jim,

I called Hallmark about the glitter globe announcements that have been posted.
The Customer Service Rep. said that Willitts Designs, a Hallmark sub. is
producing the globes, and that they will be shipping beginning November 1.
They will ship until December 10th.  The list price is $50.00 and are available
only through a Hallmark Store.

The Hallmark stores, that carry the Wilitts line, were notified of the product
and will be allowed to order.  ONLY HALLMARK ACCOUNTS CAN ORDER THESE FROM
HALLMARK.  No account, no order.

Maybe a list of volunteers should be collected that would like to do a favor
for those of use that are less fortunate ;-).

Glen Jensen

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From: brown%vidiot.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Michael L. Brown)
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Subject: Paramount Press Release - #231: Schisms
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Schisms

Episode #231			uplink dates: 10/17/92, 10/18/92



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	tetryons


				_C_A_S_T

	Captain Jean-Luc Picard			Patrick Stewart
	Commander William Riker			Jonathan Frakes
	Lieutenant Commander Data		Brent Spiner
	Dr. Beverly Crusher			Gates McFadden
	Counselor Deanna Troi			Marina Sirtis
	Lieutenant Commander Geordi LaForge	LeVar Burton
	Lieutenant Worf				Michael Dorn

	Ensign Rager				Lanei Chapman
	Mott					Ken Thorley
	Lieutenant Shipley			Scott T. Trost
	Crewman					Angelo McCabe
	Kaminer					Angelina Fiordellisi
	Medical Technician			John Nelson
	Computer Voice				Majel Barrett
	

	Story by:				Jean Lousie Matthias
						& Ron Wilerson
	Teleplay by:				Brannon Braga
	Directed by:				Robert Wiemer



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: The Enterprise crew suffers bizarre
	consequences following a secret, unwelcome alien visit.


_T_V_ _G_U_I_D_E_ _A_D_S

	KIDNAPPED!

	An alien force is removing crew members from the ship!


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Secret alien visit threatens crew/STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
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