HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oliverm@nevada.edu (Moises Oliveira)
Subject: Posting via Email
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:57:09 GMT

One used to be able to post by sending mail to an address like
news-newusers-questions@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

Recent attempts to use a mail address of that form have failed. Does
anyone know of other email to news gateways?  And if anyone could
point me to the authoritative answer on this I would appreciate it.

Thank you for your time.
From: dawson@morpheus.bssi.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Re: updates to u.eur.ita.1 map
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:59:46 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Systems Integration

win@in.rhein-main.de (Winfried Koenig) writes:

>In <2152@modus.sublink.ORG> sublink@modus.sublink.ORG (Paolo Ventafridda) writes:

>>Apologies if we post here a whole map but we failed to see it propperly
>>posted by uumaps@rutgers.edu, and we tried many times to send them the
>>whole thing, without any success at all. Maybe they have problems getting
>>our mail...

>Maybe they have problems with your maps. See ....

>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>FROM u.eur.ita.1:

>#N	angmar
>#S	CDC 386 25Mhz, SCO Xenix 386
>#O	Longano
>#C      Stefano Longano
>#E	stefano@angmar.UUCP
>#T      39+464+436042
>#P      Viale Trento, 1 - 38068 Rovereto (TN)
>#L	Rovereto, Trento - Italy
>#R	UUCP commands: rmail, rnews, uucp
>#W      maps@i2ack; 900124
                     ^^^^^^
Not really a valid date format, eh?  Or is it?

># 
>angmar	idea(DAILY)
>-- 
>Winfried Koenig        win@in.rhein-main.de
>Arendsstrasse 12       win@in.sub.org
>6050 Offenbach         +49 69 868707
>Germany
-- 
Willard Dawson, BellSouth Advanced Networks, 1100 Johnson Ferry Road, Ste. 890
Atlanta, GA  30342, Voice: +1 404 303 2343, UUCP: bselab.bls.com!morpheus!dawson
Internet -> X.400:  /G=W/S=DAWSON/O=BSAN/ADMD=BELLSOUTH/C=US/@sprint.com
Mixed-mode hack: morpheus!dawson@bselab.bls.com ::  Standard disclaimer applies.
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Site update for willard
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:53:51 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

We continue to grow in leaps in bounds.  It's amazing all the people that
come running when you say, "Free Usenet Access."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
#N	willard
#S	Intel 80486; MS-DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, Waffle 1.65
#O	Willard's House BBS, Atlanta GA, +1 404 664 8814
#C	Willard F. O. Dawson
#E	willard!dawson
#T	+1 404 664 4935
#P	10470 Haynes Bridge Road, Alpharetta, GA  30202-5033
#L	33 45 10 N / 82 23 37 W city
#R	Public access Usenet BBS, with local forums on bicycles and jazz.
#U	blackwlf cococow cowpas inf0hell kingsp neonate
#U	slammer uumind vdbsan wabwrld webco
#W	willard!dawson (Willard F. O. Dawson); Tue Nov 17 19:52:43 EDT 1992
#
#	willard
#
willard=	willard.waffle.atl.ga.us
#
#	Systems we can call; most call us too
#
willard	bing(DIRECT+FAST), blackwlf(DIRECT), cowpas(DIRECT),
	n4vu(DIRECT+LOW), neonate(DIRECT), slammer(DIRECT+FAST),
	uumind(DIRECT), vdbsan(DIRECT+FAST+HIGH), wabwrld(DIRECT+FAST)
#
#	These systems POLL us
#
willard	anything(POLLED), cococow(POLLED), cocotel(POLLED),
	inf0hell(POLLED), info-gw(POLLED), kingsp(POLLED),
	meeker(POLLED), mortimer(POLLED), payton(POLLED),
	ramsdell(POLLED), runic(POLLED), webco(POLLED),
	wisent(POLLED)

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
{gatech,emory}!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: root@pride386.PP.COM (Super user)
Subject: map update
Organization: Pride Plastics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:43:17 GMT


#N	pride386
#S	G386K-33;SCO Xenix 2.3.3
#O	Pride Plastics
#C	Terry Lyons
#E	pride386!terry
#T	+1 714 739 7102
#P	6320 Caballero,	Beuna Park, CA 90620
#L	33 49 40 N	/ 117 56 37 W
#R 	will pass newfeeds
#U	uunet, wilbur, ttank, lawnet
#W	terry@pride386 (Terry Lyons); Wed Nov 18 08:41:19 PST 1992
#
pride386 = .PP.COM
pride386 = pride386.PP.COM
pride386	alphacm(DIRECT+FAST),  conexch(DEMAND),
	dhw68k(DIRECT+FAST), <foodman>(DIRECT), stanton(DIRECT+LOW), 
	ttank(DEMAND+FAST), uunet((DAILY+FAST)*2), zardoz(DIRECT),
	lawnet(DEMAND+FAST), mts(POLLED), pca54(DEMAND+FAST),
	microeg(DAILY), odetics(DEMAND+FAST), wilbur(DEMAND+FAST),
	qst1(DEMAND+LOW)
From: dawson@morpheus.bssi.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Re: Map update for willard
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:01:11 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Systems Integration

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

>#N	willard
>#S	Intel 80486; MS-DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, Waffle 1.65
>#O	Willard's House BBS, Atlanta GA, +1 404 664 8814
>#C	Willard F. O. Dawson
>#E	willard!dawson
>#T	+1 404 664 4935
>#P	10470 Haynes Bridge Road, Alpharetta, GA  30202-5033
>#L	33 45 10 N / 82 23 37 W city
>#R	Public access Usenet BBS, with local forums on bicycles and jazz.
>#U	blackwlf cococow cowpas kingsp neonate
>#U	slammer uumind vdbsan wabwrld webco
>#W	willard!dawson (Willard F. O. Dawson); Fri Nov 13 22:06:25 EDT 1992
                                                                   ^^^
Gee.  How humiliating...  it's EST, of course.

-- 
Willard Dawson, BellSouth Advanced Networks, 1100 Johnson Ferry Road, Ste. 890
Atlanta, GA  30342, Voice: +1 404 303 2343, UUCP: bselab.bls.com!morpheus!dawson
Internet -> X.400:  /G=W/S=DAWSON/O=BSAN/ADMD=BELLSOUTH/C=US/@sprint.com
Mixed-mode hack: morpheus!dawson@bselab.bls.com ::  Standard disclaimer applies.
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: hernandez@yuppie.enet.dec.com (Manny Hernandez)
Subject: New Waffle/UUCP site in GA
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:03:21 GMT

#N	info-gw
#S	Intel 80386; MS-DOS 5.0, Waffle 1.65
#O	Information Gateway BBS, Woodstock GA, +1 404 928 7873
#C	Manny Hernandez
#E	info-gw!hernandez
#T	+1 404 591 2053
#P	Post Office Box 1421, Woodstock, GA 30188
#L	34 06 N / 84 31 W city
#R	Public access Usenet BBS 
#U	willard 
#W	info-gw!hernandez (Manny Hernandez); Thu Nov 19 20:33:16 EST 1992
#
info-gw	willard(DIRECT)
From: sdp@keyhole.rain.com
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: new map entries
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:23:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: keyhole.1992Nov17.072308.24371
Distribution: pnw
Organization: some day

#N	keyhole
#S	Tektronix 4319; UTek 4.00
#O	
#C	Scott Peterson
#E	sdp@keyhole.rain.com
#T	(503) 452-1497
#P	6909 SW 54th Ave, Portland, OR, 97219-1338
#L	45 28 31 N / 122 43 53 W
#R	
#U	neon eaglet fasttech 
#W	keyhole!sdp (Scott Peterson) ; Wed Nov 11 21:01:56 PST 1992
#
keyhole=keyhole.rain.com
keyhole	neon(DIRECT/23), fasttech(DIRECT/24), 
	eaglet(DIRECT/24), radisys(DIRECT/24),
	onion(DEAD), yoyodyne(DEAD), cabochon(DEAD), beaker(DEAD)

#N      radisys
#S      RadiSys EPC-4; SCO ODT 1.1
#O      RadiSys Corp.
#C      Scott Peterson
#E      radisys!sdp
#T      +1 503 646 1800
#P      15025 SW Koll Parkway, Beaverton, OR  97006
#L      45 29 N / 122 48 W city
#R
#U      
#W      radisys!sdp (Scott Peterson) ; Wed Nov 11 21:05:26 PST 1992
#
radisys	keyhole(DIRECT/24), verdix(DIRECT), islabs(DIRECT),
	pzbaum(DIRECT), radix(LOCAL)

#N      radix
#S      Compaq Deskpro 386; System V/386
#O      RadiSys Corp. (formerly Radix MicroSystems, Inc.)
#C      Scott Peterson
#E      radisys!sdp
#T      +1 503 646 1800
#P      15025 SW Koll Parkway, Beaverton, OR  97006
#L      45 29 N / 122 48 W city
#R
#U      
#W      radisys!sdp (Scott Peterson) ; Wed Nov 11 21:58:01 PST 1992
#
radix   radisys(LOCAL), pzbaum(DEAD), omepd(DEAD), verdix(DEAD), islabs(DEAD)

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Peterson                                 Seen on a button:
sdp@keyhole.rain.com                  It could have been us! - Nerds against 9
From: kevinf@wendan (Kevin Fowler)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: wendan, new UUCP in portland, oregon
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: wendan.9211161410.FS.131
Reply-To: kevinf@wendan (Kevin Fowler)
Distribution: world
Organization: FSUUCP 1.3r1 System
News-Software: FSUUCP 1.3r1


#N	wendan
#F	
#S	Leading Edge Model D; MS/DOS 5.0, FSUUCP 1.3
#O	Private UUCP
#C	Kevin Fowler
#E	wendan!postmaster, kevinf@percy.rain.com
#T	+1 503 222-5570
#P	P.O. Box 69393, Portland, OR 97201-0393
#L	45 30' 55" N / 122 40' 57" W city
#R
#U	percy
#W
#W	wendan!kevinf (Kevin Fowler); Mon Nov 16 03:28:00 PDT 1992
#
wendan	percy(EVENING+FAST)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Harmlessness of a.b.p.e (long, but read it anyway)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.012853.14667@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>   I think that if they aren't being hurt, that most creators would be happy
>that others are making good use of thier works. At least works that they
>have exposed to the public. Since I think a.b.p.e is harmless, I think most
>creators wouldn't object to it. I don't think I would.

Sigh.  The whole point here is that copyright law gives the creator that
choice.  The creator is free to decide what distributions to allow, including
free ones.  If the creator doesn't think she's being hurt, she is allowed
to release it.   The FSF wants their stuff distributed, but on their terms.
Other people write freeware and have fewer terms.  Some people release to
the PD and give up all their rights.

But that decision is up to the owner of the copyright.  If Penthouse pays
models and photographers and doesn't want to give it out free, that's up
to them.

All these people run around rationalizing "I don't think it hurts anyone."
You can do that to a point, but you're being wilfully blind if you argue
it in a case where the people who get to decide have been asked and said
no.

And if they haven't been asked, asking is not hard.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Xref: sparky news.admin:8574 news.sysadmin:1472 news.groups:22254 alt.config:7077
From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin,news.groups,alt.config
Subject: Advertising on Net:how can we stop it?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:43:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo


Hello,
Is there a admin or USENET cop who can stop certain people from
continuously advertising on the net dispite numerous warnings from
many people on the net.  This guy from ICPA has posted an ad at LEAST
3 times on one newsgroup and cross posted to many others.

How can we stop this unethical violation of the network????


Here is his post or part of it as I don't want them to get
further adverts from my post :

=================================================================


Article 8604 (19 more) in soc.culture.australian:
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)

Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:24:37 GMT

	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 
(stuff deleted)


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
USA

Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net


Xref: sparky news.admin:8589 news.admin.policy:468
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:43:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxxAKw.4xr
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

[...]
>In Massachusetts, all depictions of naked children that show the genitals
>are obscene.
[...]

This is wrong on two counts.

First, "obscene" refers to the Miller test, not child porn.

Two, the Massachusetts law that defined all depictions of nude
childern as illegal child porn was overturned by the Massachusetts'
highest state court as an unconsititionally broad violation of freedom
of expression. (The current Massachsetts law is narrower but still
pretty broad; as far as I know it has not been tested in court.)
See Silvers' paper for details.

- Carl


ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
law/miller
=================
* Expression -- Obscenity -- Law -- Miller

The Supreme Court's definition of obscenity (the so-called _Miller_
test)

=================
law/child-porn.silvers
=================
* Expression -- Child Porn -- Silvers

The Application of Child Pornography Statutes to Non-Obscene Art and
Family Photography by Jolyon Silversmith, silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu.
It is a term paper written in May, 1992 for Government 1341:
Constitutional Law at Harvard University.

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/law/miller
  pub/academic/law/child-porn.silvers

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/law miller
send acad-freedom/law child-porn.silvers


-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy,rec.music.synth
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: STRAW POLL ON NEWSGROUP RENAMING
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:52:42 GMT

Please reply by mail to the mailbox <ed@intellection.com>.

1.  Do you read rec.music.synth?
	(yes/no)

2.  On the issue of rec.music.synth renaming, do you
	(a) strongly favor rec.music.synth, please proceed with revote
	(b) strongly favor rec.music.makers.synth, please leave as is
	(c) strongly favor dropping the dispute, please leave me alone
	(d) not care as long as a synth group exists
-- 
Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>
Xref: sparky news.admin:8641 news.admin.policy:568
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:19:19 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: negligable

In article <9211191517.47@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>I had email from the former sysop of Doug's Den.  His equipment was
>confiscated, he was found to be innocent, but his equipment has never
>been returned.

Q: are we assuming the authorities automatically are supposed to return
evidence from whence it came (computers or not, I'm talking generically)
or does the owner of the evidence have to make some sort of application
after the case has been resolved?  If the latter, has the sysop of Doug's
Den gone in and filled out whatever paperwork may be required?


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Philosopher and plowman			|
each must know his part			|	-Richard Hartman	
to build a new mentality		|	hartman@uLogic.COM
closer to the heart!			|

Xref: sparky news.admin:8572 news.admin.policy:438
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL ON NEWSGROUP RENAMING
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:43:23 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Nov16.231029.22523@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>>1.  Do you read rec.music.synth?
>>	(yes/no)
>>2.  On the issue of rec.music.synth renaming, do you
>>	(a) strongly favor rec.music.synth, please proceed with revote
>>	(b) strongly favor rec.music.makers.synth, please leave as is
>>	(c) strongly favor dropping the dispute, please leave me alone
>>	(d) not care as long as a synth group exists
>
>How about adding:
>
>3.   If you knew about the renaming vote during the voting period,
>	would you have:
>
>	(a) voted for the rename
>	(b) voted against the rename
>	(c) not voted
>

And why not:

3. DID you know about the renaming vote during the voting or discussion
   period.
	Yes
	No

4a. If "Yes" to 3, did you vote?
	Yes
	No

4b. If "No" to 3, (insert text of Dave's #3 here...)

You can keep adding questions forever dave...  Want to conduct
your own re-straw poll now?			:)

btw: 1:No, 2:c, 3:Yes, 4a:No

Followup-To: news.groups

And if anyone actually wants to add these questions, I can't
post to rec.music.synth so you'll have to do it your self.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
It's not the way that you say it	|
when you do those things to me,		|	-Richard Hartman	
it's more the way you really mean it	|	hartman@uLogic.COM
when you tell me what will be.		|
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,news.admin.policy
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: castigation (was: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution)
Keywords: buddy fuck mario anus
Followups-To: alt.flame
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
	<BxL4J5.147@servalan.servalan.com>
	<1992Nov20.033210.29489@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.033210.29489@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> mbrandan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Mario Brandan) writes:

   Buddy, [blah blah blah blah] You know, I just think you have an
   attitude problem.  I really didn't like your language either, if
   you want to write to this newsgroup, you should straighten out your
   foul language.  It takes up disk space buddy!

(Followups directed to alt.flame.)

"Buddy?"  *giggle*

"Foul language?"  *snort*

Let's see.  What could our good buddy Mario have considered foul
language?  Looking at Richard's article, I guess I see a few
contenders.  Perhaps our li'l buddy was offended by "dirty GIFs", or
"smell."  Or maybe it was "ignorant," or "shut up."  Or even
"Bwahahaha."  Naah, it was probably that good old Saxon word "Fuck."

Yes, what a waste of disk space, buddy boy.  Save that
stool^H^H^H^H^Hspool at all costs.  *chortle*

Fortunately, mother-/intercoursers/ such as yourself are utterly
powerless to impose your tight-/anused/ ideas of appropriate language
upon the net.  But if it joys you, please do *chuckle* try.

Oh, and if you find Fuck unpleasant, I heartily recommend Duck and
Suck instead.
-- 
Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>
Xref: sparky news.admin:8609 news.admin.policy:505
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <BxxAKw.4xr@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In Massachusetts, all depictions of naked children that show the genitals
>>are obscene.
>
>This is wrong on two counts.
>
>First, "obscene" refers to the Miller test, not child porn.
>
>Two, the Massachusetts law that defined all depictions of nude
>childern as illegal child porn was overturned by the Massachusetts'
>highest state court as an unconsititionally broad violation of freedom
>of expression. (The current Massachsetts law is narrower but still
>pretty broad; as far as I know it has not been tested in court.)
>See Silvers' paper for details.
>
>- Carl

I have enough doubts about this, that I would not gate a.b.p.e through
my system.  If the state authorities confiscated my system as evidence,
I would expect to never see it again, whether I won in court or not.

The Town of Framingham would surely deem that pictures of nude children
appearing on my system to be obscene and pornographic.  This is in the
wake of a case of a guy in my neighborhood luring young boys to his
house through contacts on BBS systems, with promises of sexually explicit
digitized pictures.  He was arrested for rape, but he was also charged
for having hundreds of pictures of naked young boys on his computer system,
which was confiscated for evidence.

The community standard laws are strong enough that the Framingham Selectmen
and Police were able to close down to video stores that rented and sold
X rated adult videos, even though they were kept in separate areas where
you had to be 21 to enter.  And you must note that the X rated films that
were cited are easily available at video stores in neighboring towns.

>=================
>law/child-porn.silvers
>=================
>* Expression -- Child Porn -- Silvers
>
>The Application of Child Pornography Statutes to Non-Obscene Art and
>Family Photography by Jolyon Silversmith, silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu.
>It is a term paper written in May, 1992 for Government 1341:
>Constitutional Law at Harvard University.

Term papers do not set the laws of the community.

It is easy for the EFF to cite cases and papers, but I don't see the EFF
opening up an adult rated BBS to the public, or buying new equipment to
replace that lost to "continuing" investigations.

I had email from the former sysop of Doug's Den.  His equipment was
confiscated, he was found to be innocent, but his equipment has never
been returned.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution 
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:21:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.232911.6987@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:

>   My point is that a.b.p.e isn't harmful to pornography publishers. That
>is my opinion, and I will defend it. I would argue it to the publishers if
>they cared.

Big news for you, dude.  They don't.

>I suggest that if you aren't harming anyone, then what you
>are doing is OK. Do you want to argue with that statement?

Fine by me.  Try telling it to the judge.

>>They do care.  They sued Event Horizons, a dirty-GIF BBS, and won big time.
>
>   You willfully misread this event. Unless I am very wrong, EH was claiming
>ownership of the images, and threatening other BBS's. It makes perfect sence
>to me that Playboy would sue.

Gosh.  I thought that that didn't hurt pornography publishers.  Why on
earth would they sue?

>>They do think it does them harm and it is not up to us to decide whether
>>it causes them harm.
>
>  I deny this (the first sentance). I believe they do not think usenet is
>causing them harm, or they would have taken action before.

There's such a thing as waiting to enact a suit until a legal climate
favors a particular injunction, you know.

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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.config
Subject: Re: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIER
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:54:22 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Nov19.184048.7621@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rkeller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rod Keller) writes:

>Look, it's the net.police!

Yes, well, the net.police appear to be working with the FBI this time
around. I noticed a story on ClariNews which described an FBI
investigation at Cornell and mentioned that a student's room had been
searched.

-Geoff
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	 hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water,
	 a vital ingredient in beer." -- Dave Barry
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