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From: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Summary: I assume you know it well ,,,,
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:53:08 GMT
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Organization: Univ. of Osaka Prefecture, Dept of Earth Science, Sakai, Japan

In article <CLAUDE.92Sep8085805@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp>, claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

Claude> I think we have to "understand' how the other part (in this case,
Claude> foreigners) will interpret what we are talking. 

Yes, I'm aware of this.  However, I think many Japanese( except of me:-) 
have much ability of this kind, haven't they?

Claude>				       As in Japan, we have
Claude> basicly "one culture" (note: I said basicly), there's that kind of
Claude> "ishin denshin" where the japanese can understand each other very
Claude> easy. 

Although you may not know (sorry), I think there are no "ishin denshin" 
in Japanese society.  Ironically, this is my view, there are
much of guess to meditate how he/she could accept my proposal( or
something like that we want to do), or what he/she want to let me to do......
These processes are carried out without any words, only in his/her mind.

Of course, sometimes, we fail to pull out the wright conclusion, in
this case, the relation between me and him/her could be broken.  This
is the real process which is called as "ishin denshin" in Japanese
society.  This is so much diffferent process from you ?  
But, this is only my own observation into my mind.  Please
comment this 				--->all. 

> when I'm trying to japanese, I lost my patience and... :-)

So, you became very desperate to understand Japanese. :-)

How do you think why Japanese are so different, or why it is very
difficult for you to understand Japanese ?

I think, Japanese are NOT so different, in the essential points of view,
such as what kind of people you admire, what kind of people you would
like to be, something like that, from any other nations.
I believe humans have some common intrinsic values all over the world.
Can you ?

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From: dave@appi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Tokyo Journal, Heroes, Fukushima Mizuho
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:02:26 GMT
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In-reply-to: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp's message of 14 Sep 92 14:04:29 GMT

In article <ISHIKAWA.92Sep14230443@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes: 
>> [quoting me] I don't think Tokyo is necessary, since we know that all superheroes can
>> either fly or teleport.
>
> Great. So you are counting in the old heros (like Superman).

Well, Superman never really hung out in Tokyo, so better pick UltraMan.

>>    Maybe a Meta-antihero?
> 
> Well, maybe. Is meta-anti-hero apropos hero?

I think it's a description of an anti-hero, which you might get if you
type (command-apropos "hero").  How Okadome got there slips my mind right
now.

> BTW, are you from the U.S.A.? 
> I am intrigued because you said "...that he represents the Real American
> Point of View are why I bought a TV with a remote control.".
> Only American could have such a response, I thought :-)

Bingo.

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Endless discussions?...[ISO376 ENGLISH] [+JAPANESE]
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:48:51 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:

>In article <2670@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

[* something not worth quoting *]

>Why not ? Let's start a discussion on this newsgroup ! Maybe from that,
>they will start a discussion on which name is correct or which character
>set should be used or which hand should be used while typing or which
>phase of the moon will be good for the group creation.

But wait! You can't discuss all of that at one time! We should have
a CFD on fj.get-a-life.character-set, fj.get-a-life.left|right,
and fj.get-a-life.moonphase.

>With all this discussion, and with some hope, they will forget the
>eternal discussion for fj.life.in-japan and we can vote for it !

>To start: I think that the name should be fj.copyright.infringement.in.japan 
>and not fj.copyright.infringement.in-japan.                          ===
>                                   ===

This will be taken up in fj.get-a-life.dashes.or.dots as soon as it's
formed.

>Rafael
>New Motto: If you cannot convince them, confuse them.

Ahhh, stealing copyrighted stuff again, eh Rafael? 

Everybody knows it's "If you can blink them will brillance, baffle
them with bullshit". 

Dave

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:54:05 GMT

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In article <CLAUDE.92Sep11091649@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
>
>>Some credit card company won't accept them as a user.
>Kim> $B$3$l$OK\Ev$G$9$+(B?

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>Two years ago, when I thought to get the ASCII card to use
>ASCII-net, I was refused even having enough salary and etc....
>A friend of mine, student, get that card very easy...
>I was refused to many other credit cards as well with no
>real reason (At least for me :-) ). 

I understand that the credit card system stands on the reliability of 
keeping payment of consumer.  If the company doubts on you even if you 
have enough income to pay, the company would be criticized that they 
discriminated consumers by the nationality.  

I don't have not much knowledge about law, but, isn't it illegal?
I think at least this is injustice.... 

>Did you know ...
>
>That no-one ever reads these things?

A monkey named 'Mizaru' says he has never read these things.
A monkey named 'Iwazaru' says he has never told these things.
A monkey named 'Kikazaru' says he has never heard of these things.

Even though they all know it very well!

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From: aki@mel.toshiba.CO.JP (Yoshiaki Kohno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:54:50 GMT
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In-reply-to: araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp's message of 9 Sep 92 09:44:36 GMT

araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Sumio Araki) writes:
 >In article <KENJI.92Sep9151616@kappore.tom.astem.or.jp> kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:
 >
 > | |Or in the other words, WE Japanese really want to be in uniform society,
 > | |I cann't believe this yet.  Is this reality ?
 > |
 > |I think not. Japan is well-segmented country - I find serious cultural
 > |difference after moving out from Tokyo to Osaka on July. The
 > |government is trying to spread illusion towards its people that they
 > |are a united race - to avoid people to break apart and to get
 > |uncontrollable. Alas, many people, especially old ones, strongly and
 > |blindly believe that Japan is a monolithic nation.

Though I haven't received Mr Rikitake's posting yet, I agree with him.
I don't see any point in saying that Japan is a homogenous country or
something like that.  My guess is that such a illusion is convenient
to those who govern the people: "Harmony is the essence of OUR
culture. So do not disturb it no matter what you think about the
society. It's your fault to feel uncomfortable, ignored, isolated,
and/or segregated here. Look, silent majority support existing
system, why can't you change your mind that way?", nosense, isn't it?

As for the original question:
I don't want unifor society, because it will be a boring society. 
I don't want to say "We Japanese", because there were/are/will be no
such thing anywhere in the world expcet for someone's head.

 >  I suppose Japan is well-segmented into "Mura".  It's a symbol of
 >segmented, homogenized and exclusive society.

And the members of most Mura have a illusion that "Our Mura is THE
typical community", and stop thinking any further.

By the way, though the topic of this thread may be suitable to
soc.culture.japan or whatever in soc, I have no access to soc
newsgroups. Therefore, I support life-in-japan NG. 
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From: kam@ten.fujitsu.co.jp (KAMIMURA Masatsugu)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: I went to Mt. Fuji and... [English & Japanese]
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:45:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fujitsu TEN LTD., Kobe, Japan.
In-reply-to: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp's message of 10 Sep 92 16:35:45 JST

In article <SANTOS.92Sep10163545@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:

 >Hello again ! 

Hello!

 >First, thanks to all that people that posted suggestions on going to 
 >climb Mt. Fuji. 
 >
 >I went there and... RAINED A LOT ! We could not even see the mountain !
 >We climbed until the 7th $@$4$&$a(J and decided to return. 

That's too BAD!
When I climbed Mt.Fuji, it rained not so heavy but it didn't stop until
8th goume.
Next very early morning ( about 2:00am ), it was fine and we could see
many stars in the sky.  We were very lucky men!!!!

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 >I also decided to return there next year - Some people maybe will think
 >it is foolish, but is a question of honor, now. 

Foolish!! :-):-):-)
But now I want to climb Mt.Fuji again in several years. :-)
I hope you succeed the next trial!

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:58:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


> We Japanese had better be more direct when we talk to Americans.
Kenji> Oh, Really ?
Kenji> If I would stay in another country, I may change my way of expression.
Kenji> However, this is MY OWN land, Japan.  Why I should adapt to Americans,
Kenji> or any other nations' way of behaviour ? 
Kenji> So, I do not believe any word of 'internationalization' of Japan.

This is a good point. We don't need to "adapt" to another country's ways, but
I think we have to "understand' how the other part (in this case,
foreigners) will interpret what we are talking. As in Japan, we have
basicly "one culture" (note: I said basicly), there's that kind of
"ishin denshin" where the japanese can understand each other very
easy. However, in my home country, we have a lot of people coming
from many parts of the world and we have to think all the time in
what they "really" want to say. It's not a kind of adaption, but
it's very useful to have different values to understand different
people. When I'm talking with an Italian, I behave an Italian,
when I'm talking with a chinese, I try to respect their values,
when I'm trying to japanese, I lost my patience and... :-)

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:13:18 GMT
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> $@F|K\$N9q:]2=$J$s$F8@$&$h$j!"(J"$@2ACM4Q$NB?MM2=(J"$@$NJ}$,(J$@$:$C$HNI$$$J!#(J
> $@$3$l$J$i!"JL$K309q?M$H8@$o$:$H$b!";d<+?H$b$C$H$b$C$HM_$7$$!#(J^_^

> I think $@2ACM4Q$NB?(J$@MM2=(J is much more nice idea as a phrase for present
> problem, rather than "Internationallization of Japan".   I would like
> to have this thoughts not only for 'foreighners', but for myself.

I think this was the most important conclusion of our debate. That without
a "diversification of values, ideas, etc. inside the Japanese society"
both foreigners and japanese will suffer with the present idea of a
"Homogenous, monolithic japanese society".


> I noticed the sad story on Twaiwanese-Japanese or Korean-Jpananese
> which Claude$@$5$s(J wrote.  I have nothing to say about this.
> It's a too sad story......

My grandfather said once:"The most sad thing is to forget to learn about our
own mistakes". 


ciao,
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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:56:36 GMT

ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:


>Hi Dave,

>>You see what I find very curious is why such a big thing is made of
>>having to change your name, but no mention is made of how people
>>born in Japan of non-Japanese parents are not able to hold dual
>>nationality. 

>Correct me if I am wrong, but I think U.S.A. is in the minority in
>that the country gives a baby born in U.S.A. automatic nationality (or
>was it citizenship). I believe there are more countries in the world
>who don't have this practice especially in the Old World (including
>Japan). It looks to me that U.S.A. and some countries in the New World
>wanted to have as much as population as possible by giving favorable
>treatment to babies born even on an airplane flying over the U.S. air
>space!

>But, again, we need some authoritative comment. Anyone?

> Chiaki Ishikawa,  Personal Media Corp.,  MY Bldg, 1-7-7 Hiratsuka,
> Shinagawa, Tokyo 142, JAPAN. FAX:+81-3-5702-0359, Phone:+81-3-5702-0351
> UUNET: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp


England , France , Israel .... all give citizenship to those who are
born there.


Charlie


P.S. at least 20 years ago... have any changed?!
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: No money for basic research?(was Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:29:28 GMT
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Kenji> It's very sad to find out that only few domains in Japan are
Kenji> read-write accessible to non-fj newsgroups. And it's really disgusting
Kenji> that very very few Japanese domains are paying money for overseas
Kenji> email traffic. I urge those domain to subscribe international mail
Kenji> service such as InetClub or UUNET ASAP; otherwise they do a very
Kenji> harmful thing to our Internet society.

YES.... However, the main problem is university in Japan is **Terribly**
underfunded... It's cheaper and easier to get basic research from the
US or Europe. Don't forget that both Junet and Wide-net were 
started not from governamental agencies, but from some brave professors.
I really admire them.... 

In my opinion this system is mutually perverse: US taxpayers paying 
billions of dollars in basic research to Japanese corporates use it
in their products and Japanese universities condemned to be ethernal
workforce "repositories"  to Japanese companies. 

#I think this is a hot theme... :-)



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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:55:30 GMT
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Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Sumio> By the way, at the custums, we can do same way.  Even if we have goods
Sumio> to pay taxes, we can select Green rows, for example.

It's not just like the same thing as foreigners without a re-entry visa
cannot use "Japanese" counters. I'm saying that because I was *really*
surprised when I came from my last business trip and the person in
"Foreigner" counter said:" Hey! Why don't you use the japanese counter?".
Then I said:"Simple, I"m not japanese", he said: "No.No. If you have a
re-entry visa you can go there". Then I was wondering why the japanese
didn't write something like:"Japanese and residents" instead that
stupid "japanese" only.... :-) :-) (Two :-) just in case...)

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: kim@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Kim Tong Ho)
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:00:53 GMT

mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:

>Some credit card company won't accept them as a user.

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