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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:48:57 PDT
From:         "(David Story)" <story@BENT.WPD.SGI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Divetalker ...
              "SCUBA-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu" at Sep 22, 92 10:36 pm

SCUBA-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu
>
> Anybody has seen or used the new "divetalker" computer ?? Any comments will
> be appreciated.

Seen it, played with it, but never dove with it.  I wouldn't, either.
I can see, and I'd rather use my eyes to check my gauges -- it's faster,
timelier, and more accurate.

In case you're interested, it uses the PADI/DSAT decompression model
currently found in the Recreational Dive Planner tables.  This is not
quite the same as the algorithm in the Oceanic/Sherwood/USD computers,
it doesn't have Lewis' proprietary tweaks.

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com		  Every dive is a decompression dive.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:55:45 PDT
From:         "(David Duis Story)" <story@BENT.WPD.SGI.COM>
Subject:      Re: To compute or not to compute
              92 12:23 pm

Scuba Buddha writes:
>

First, congratulations on passing the PADI IDC!

> Well, there has been much talk of computers vs. tables, and we all know
> which are easier to use, but there has been very little/no discussion
> of PADI's wheel.

About a year ago I presented a paper on using the PADI RDP to perform
multi-level calculations which were consistent with those allowed by
the Wheel.  It can be done, and quite easily.

I performed quite a bit of verification testing using a nearby
supercomputer, which was pretty informative as far as understanding
how close to the limits of the model the Wheel lets you get: very!

If you're interested, I can send copies to folks who send me a SASE.
Or you can look for the Proceedings of the 1991 International
Symposium of the American Academy of Underwater Sciences.

>         It's easier to use, teach, and in my opinion, safer for new
> students because misreading generally (I hope!) ends up in a more
> conservative dive.

One can certainly show examples where this is not true.  I might add
that misreading due to calibration errors (or just holding the table
crooked) is in my experience a more likely occurrence on the Wheel
than on a Table, although miscalculations are reduced.  The Law of
Conservation of Screwups? :) :)

>         In my classes, and the classes that my fellow instructors teach,
> we only use the wheel. The tables are explained in the book, but we only
> have the students read that, and answer their questions.

Do you require students to purchase and plan class dives using the Wheel?

>         What do all of YOU feel about the wheel, as it is a wonderful
> backup for a computer provided you dive the plan.

I find it to be an interesting tool for planning multi-level dives.
Some folks call it the "Wheel of Fortune" because it allows you to be
even less conservative than the RDP already is.

I do not consider any table to be a backup for a computer when
repetitive diving is involved.  I use a computer as a backup for my
computer.  As the Clairol ad says, "I'm WORTH it!"

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com		  Better diving through computers.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:51:18 PDT
From:         "(David Duis Story)" <story@BENT.WPD.SGI.COM>
Subject:      Re: diving watches
              92 2:58 pm

Tony.Kuhlman
>
> Here's another vote for Casio watches.  I'm on my second one now.

I have a 50M Thermometer watch that has been through a non-factory
battery change and still survived to 50M+ underwater, with
button-pushing and all.  So much for Casio's marketing/tech pubs
departments, let's hear it for their engineering staff!

Has anyone used their new Model 973 dive timer/depth gauge watch?  It
retails for $350, competing against the Citizen depth gauge watch.
Notably, this one tells you average depth during your dive and surface
intervals.  These two features are not included on my dive computers
and would be very useful.  Any first-hand experience with the unit?

Cheers,

Dave Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com	              Better diving through drugs.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:53:00 CST
From:         Mahan_Stephen@LANMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL
Subject:      Re: So, I stirred up the pot!

>>The point I was trying to make though (apparently badly), is that there
>>*is* a correlation between depth and safety.  A "magic depth"
>>limitation isn't the answer.  On the other hand,  you cannot
>>reasonably argue that you can dive to any arbitrary depth and not
>>compromise safety at all.  (If you don't
>>believe this, strap about 10 tanks on your back and go sit at about
>>300' for an hour 8-).

>But what do you put IN the tanks?  And how long will it take you to
>return to the surface after an hour at depth?  Could make for an
>interesting profile.  Why are we down there anyway?  (Purpose of dive?)
>Who is arranging this trip?  When?  Where (besides 300 ft.)? How much?

>Many :-) for the humour impaired!!! Still....

>>        "Tundra" Tim Daneliuk

>craig

Well, the decompression goes something like:

300', 60 min, air, with air decompression

depth             time
120               4
110              10
100              10
 90              10
 80              10
 70              10
 60              14
 50              28
 40              32
 30              50
 20              90
 10             187

Time to surface is 460 min.  5 minutes of this is allocated to changing
depths at 60'/min, the rest for decompression stops.  that's 7 hours
40 minutes for the math impaired.  After this the tables allow no diving
for 24 hours.

Probably need  more than 10 tanks.....


steve
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:15:54 -0500
From:         "Steven T. Declerck" <U95_SDECLERK@SITVXC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Roatan/CoCo View

This summer I went diving at Coco View and had an excellent time.  Coco View
is a place were you better be going for diving and nothing else.  There is
some entertainment provided by the hotel.  They have a few BBQs and have the
islands dancers for you one night.

One of the main reason I like Coco View is the hospitality of the dive
masters.  The dive masters also give you plenty of flexability.  If you want
to dive to 100 feet they will let you.  You can also dive at 40 feet until
your air runs out.  This is a place were you should have some dive experence.

Roatan doesn't have great schools of fish like Cozemel, but has different
verity of fish.  The coral formation are excellent and the best that I have
seen anywhere.  The night diving out side the hotel is not the best that I
have seen.  You have to search for fish that are asleep and night activity.

Overall it is a great place to go.  It will diffently help you unwind from the
stress of life.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:54:41 LCL
From:         "('Tundra' Tim Daneliuk)" <tundra@ESKIMO.CHI.IL.US>
Subject:      UW Foto Housings

Is anyone aware of a resource for underwater housings for Hasselblad 500CM
cameras? I am also interested in strobes and accessories for same.

Thanks,



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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:37:40 -0700
From:         MACEYTAY@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

Since everybody else is using this for personal mail, I might as well, too.

;)

I buffer (when memory serves) anything I think I might want to look at
again or send to anybody else.  Then I save the buffer (if it contains
my own writing; extract does well for others' messages) to take to a
word processor and ...

Macey   (Hi Fred, long time...)
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Subject:      Re: Anonymous query

Elaine Tarone's anonymous caller may be interested to know that, following
the last LARS conference in Utrecht, EUROSLA Newsletter should be publishing
soon an overview of university courses in SLA worldwide. This at least ought
to help some people argue to their own authorities that SLA has an independent
existence and is taken seriously in universities around the world (and is not
teaching research!)
Mike Sharwood Smith
Editor E.Newsl.
From: grtucker+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (G. Richard Tucker)
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Date: 5 Oct 92 16:24:40 GMT
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Andrew:

Nancy Rhodes at the Center for Applied Linguistics is a good general
resource person for two reasons:

    1.  During the last decade (?) she has maintained a "directory" of
foreign language immersion programs in the US which she has regularly
updated.  This has caused her to be in personal contact with individuals
throughout the country involved in immersion education to collect
information about grade level, languages, whether some formal evaluation
is a component of the program, etc.

    2.  She has coordinated an evaluation that CAL has done for the past
five years of a (Spanish, actually two-way) immersion program at k--4 at
the Key Elementary School; and has had to wrestle with questions
concerning the  type(s) of evaluation that are possible with young
children, availability of instrumentation, etc.

CAL is, in principle, on e-mail (CAL@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu); but
you'd probably be better off telephoning (202-429-9292) or faxing
(202-659-5641).

Ginger Collier at George Mason University has also participated in the
evaluation of a partial immersion pilot program which included French,
Japanese, and Spanish language strands.  There has been at least one
report circulated describing their methodology and results.
  I do not have an e-mail address for Ginger but her telephone number at
work:  703-993-3688.

The issues at the lower grade levels have really not changed all that
much since the Redwood City days--it is still a problem to be sure that
you are validly and reliably eliciting samples of appropriate behavior
from the youngsters.  Good luck.

Dick Tucker
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:29:18 EDT
From:         Joyce Neu <CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: e-mail contacts Germany
              2 Oct 1992 09:59:45 EDT from <WMCROSS@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:59:45 EDT William Crossgrove said:
>On October 2, Patrick McConeghy said:
>
>>I would like to set up an e-mail dialog for my 4th-yr German students at
>>Michigan State with students in Germany.  Suggestions on getting a contact
>>address over there?
>
>You might want to consider posting this request on the list 9NOV89-L
>maintained on the listserver at DB0TUI11.  (This is the Technical University
>Bill Crossgrove

  You might also try sending a request to XCULT-L@PSUVM, a list
on the topic of intercultural commmunication. There are many
students on that list and it has been used frequently over the
past 4-5 years to connect student groups.  Oliver Seeley, at
Cal State Dominguez Hills, is the current manager of the list
(he's the one who'll see your subscription request--to be sent
to listserv at psuvm.
Joyce Neu
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:38:00 EDT
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Subject:      same

I saw the position posted on Monday.  Patsy Aldridge
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:46:21 CDT
From:         "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <DAVIDSON@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Read Me, Please (Thanks): ack/noack, echoed posts, reply reminder

[From Fred Davidson, SLART-L Mgr, davidson@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu]

I have just checked and 'ack' is the default for SLART-L.  That means
that when you post to SLART-L you *should* get back a brief message
saying that your post was accepted and sent out.  If you do *not* then
somehow at *your* machine the 'ack' is disabled.  I recommend that if you
want the 'ack' option and are not currently getting it, do as one
poster recently suggested.  Send this command as an e-mail message (i.e.
in the message area -- give no subject):

     set slart-l ack

to:

     listserv@psuvm
     listserv@psuvm.bitnet
     listserv@psuvm.psu.edu         (whichever of these three works)

Re. echoed posts: I have studied my listserv documentation and can find
no option that allows me to reset the whole list to echo posts to the
person who posts.  This may not be possible, or it may not be possible
for *me* to do it.  (Nb: I can find no reference to 'repro' as one
person suggested -- can somebody send me, directly, more info on that?)

Hence: it is in *your* hands.  If you want to know that your post to
SLART-L has gone through, and you currently receive *no* such notification,
then do the 'set slart-l ack' thing above.  Beyond that, I believe
I can do no more at present.

Re. replying (as one person mentioned in this thread): Yes, replies
to SLART-L go to the whole list.  Again, as my 'welcome' and 'reminder'
messages state: before you reply be aware of who you might be replying
to -- it might be seen by (as of this morning) 456 people -- the subscribers
to the whole list.  Often, to *avoid* this problem you can 'forward' to
the sender.  Most systems have that.

Thanks for all the feedback on the echoed post thing.

-F.D.
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Subject:      Re: 'Ack'

It's already the default.  I'd like to un-ack.  Command?

Macey Taylor   maceytay@ccit.arizona.edu
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Subject:      Re: Vietnamese

I just came back from Vietnam, and picked up all the language books I could
find while there; none of them were very good, but a combination of all of them,
and falling back on the age-old strategies of learning nouns adverbs and
phatic, and keeping a "vocab list" worked well.  My husband and I laughed at
ourselves a lot--knowing all this stuff about CLT, sequencing,e tc cut no ice at
all in our need!  Actually, the Vietnamese version of Streamline might be worth
a look...
Liz Hamp-Lyons
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From:         "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <DAVIDSON@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      echoed posts

Thanks, Brian, for your suggestion to set SLART-L to echo posts
to the sender.  Can we get some more votes/comments on this?  Thanks.

-Fred Davidson, SLART-L Mgr

(post votes/comments to SLART-L)
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From:         "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <DAVIDSON@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      'Ack'

[From Fred Davidson, U of I Urbana, SLART-L Mgr.]

Re. Russ Bacon's comments below:


Everybody: the command to which Russ refers below will cause
the system to generate an acknowledgment that your msg. was received
and sent out, but will not, so far as I can tell, cause an echoed
copy of the post to return to you.  If however, 'ack' alone is sufficient,
I'll explore setting that as an option for the *entire* list.  Comments?

(post em).

-F.D.

>Fred, Brian, et. al.,

>I believe it is possibly to tell the server to send replies, or at least
>acknowledgments to you when you post mail to the listserver.  The command,
>issued within a mail message (NO SUBJECT HEADER) should say:

>set SLART-L ack

>This will cause the listserver to acknowledge a post to the list.

>Hope this helps.

>Russ Bacon
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From:         CWTJ@CORNELLA.BITNET

I have just read through close to thirty messages on SLART which should have be
en posted to an individual rather than for the general public.  While I enjoy s
ome of the discussion on the network, I have neither interest nor time for read
ing other people's personal mail.  There's nothing more frustrating than a comp
uter loaded with unwanted mail.  I strongly suggest that readers/responders add
ress individual responses to individual mailboxes.  Jacqueline: cwtj@cornella.
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From:         Lester <LOSCHKY@JPNCUN10.BITNET>
Subject:      Role plays for teaching cultural awareness

I just read a very interesting article by Dan Hurley in the latest issue
of Applied Linguistics on the topic of teaching pragmatics, prosody, and
non-verbal communication. In it, he suggests the use of role plays and/or
(I assume) simulations in teaching the above. However, he also, I think
wisely, suggests that some form of "knowledge-based approach" be taken as
well so that students don't end up "'practicing incompetence' in role play."
(276). He suggests one way of doing this is to use Scarcella's (1979)
research model in which NNS role plays and NS role plays are video taped and
compared in class (i.e., the students' own role plays are compared with that
of NSs in the same situation).

All of this sounds like an interesting way of raising students' cultural
awareness of problem areas of pragmatics in a TL. I would like to try some
such role plays and/or simulations with my Japanese students to whom I am
teaching English here in Japan. However, I am not aware of many such
situations which have already been developed for this purpose. Does anybody
out there know of any such materials/situations that are already developed?
I am particularly interested in only those which would be useful for Japanese
SL learners of English. (One thought I have is to check through the research
literature on ESL pragmatics acq. by Japanese learners to see if I can
use some of their role plays which were used as elicitation devices, e.g.,
perhaps Scarcella's work.)

Any concrete suggestions would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance!


Lester Loschky
Nanzan U., Nagoya, Japan
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From:         "LLOYD HOLLIDAY, LA TROBE UNIV,
              EDUCATION" <EDULH@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Interactive Video for ESL

Wasn't it "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or "The Temple of Doom"?

BTW the German Dept. UPenn, did one on "The Tin Drum". They may have done
more by now.

Lloyd Holliday
edulh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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From:         PELLIOTT@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Spanish and English syntax compared

There is a comparative study of English and Spanish verb phrases by Karen
Zagona, 1988, called "Verb phrase syntax. A parametric study of English and
Spanish," Dordrecht:Kluwer. It follows Chomsky's framework for analysis of
syntax. I hope this is of some help.



Phillip Elliott
SLAT student
Univ. of AZ
PELLIOTT.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
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From:         adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:      RE: Interactive Video for ESL
              92 4:45 pm

Talking of inaccessible videos, try this one on for size.  Diane Larsen-
Freeman did a two video set on innovative approaches to L2 language
teaching for USIA.  Where can you get it?  Only abroad for $100.  There
is NO way to purchase it in the US.  The way I will most likely get to
see it is by having a colleague in Canada (!) order it via Washington to Ottawa
and then on to Minneapolis.  You would think it were contraband or something.


--
DR. ANDREW D. COHEN
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:29:09 -0700
From:         MACEYTAY@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Interactive Video for ESL

I don't remember the name of the video Lloyd mentions, but if it's the
one I'm thinking of, it came from Allen Rowe then at Monterey Inst of Int'l
Studies, who has done neat things with The Color Purple and a French
movie and ....  He generally shows at CALICO.

Macey  maceytay@ccit.arizona.edu
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