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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:50:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <casseres-140992140158@missmolly.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>
>In fact, drivers have a hard time seeing pedestrians on the roadway no
>matter which direction they go in, because their speed is so far out of the
>range drivers are looking for.  That's why it's a good idea for pedstrians
>to walk facing traffic.

So how do you, then, jibe this with the idea that slow bicycle riders
are somehow in a different situation?
B
>On the other hand, a bike going the right direction is reasonably easy for
>drivers to see.  A bike going in the wrong direction is very hard to see.

Well, I'm glad you have made this so clear. Bicyclists going the wrong
way become invisable?
>
>"Blatant opinion."  That's real good, Tom, coming from someone who claims
>it's safer to ride facing the oncoming traffic, in spite of all the
>evidence that it is much more dangerous.

It is really too bad that you don't take the time to read the messages
that you respond to. Any reasonably accurate reading would have discovered
that I said that, while riding on the wrong side of the street is generally
bad, children riding there slowly are probably in no greater danger than
pedestrians.

What we have discovered from your entries is that pedestrians are much
more manuveurable and much more highly visable. This continues to amaze
me. Why would anyone advise a pedestrian to walk against traffic and
be so adamantly opposed to children riding at the same speed in the
same location?
From: meinel@aero.org (Edward S. Meinel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Date: 11 Sep 1992 22:37:04 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org

In article <1992Sep11.152232.10639@schbbs.mot.com> CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) writes:
>
>But I do think that MTBs used for commuting and
>road riding should have more "roadie-like" clusters.  I am running
>a 13-26 Deore DX on my Fisher, and am curious what types of cogs
>are available on the market to turn it into a straight block (in
>pancake-flat Florida, your granny gear is for when your granny rides
>your MTB).  Any experience out there?
>
>Mark (on your left) Hickey

The easiest thing is to have two sets of wheels, one for serious off-road
(you must have some vicious single-track switchbacks in Florida) and one
for "commuting and road riding." My off-road wheel(set) has a 13-30
cog(set) and my "commuting and road riding" wheel(set) has a 12-21 cog(set).
Both clusters are Hype*glide. 

Ride bike(set)!

Ed (meinel@aero.org)
1992 Trek 8700 (daily driver)
1990 Fisher Gemini
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 22:47:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: pigeon;helmut

In article <1992Sep6.175214.24079@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
> I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
>anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
>had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
>simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
>or her helmet.

On two (2!) occassions - once on my MTB and the other on my road
bike, I have had rabbits run through the space between my front and
back wheels without apparently touching. This though in both cases I
was traveling fast and pedaling furiously.

Pretty scary.
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:36:13 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <19520oINN9mo@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>So treating road rash is main reason? How often do racers crash? :-(
>It seems odd that people would go through daily/weekly sessions of
>irritation (leg shavings) to avoid a little less discomfort as a result
>of an event we all try to avoid. What happens if you go a whole season
>of shaving without a crash? :-)

Fitting in with the crowd is still about the only reason I can accept
as an excuse for this behavior.  I have shaved my legs a couple of times
in the past, before racing, but I have a problem with ingrown hairs
when they grow back.  I plan to never shave my legs again.

What in the world is wrong with clipping the hair around a wound 
before applying an adhesive bandage?  I doubt that there is an emergency
room or clinic in the country that doesn't have such a clipper.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: New Snell Standard?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:38:34 GMT

Regarding the new versus old Snell helmet standards, David Casseres writes:
   Does anyone know how much difference there is between the two standards? 
   I'm wondering whether it's significant enough to warrant replacing my
   "perfectly good" Bell Quest.

Not enough difference to matter.  There will be a more significant
improvement in the ANSI Z90.4 helmet standard either late this year or
early next, bringing it closer to the Snell standard, and there will
most likely be a new ASTM bicycle helmet standard released next year
that may be the best of the bunch.  (ASTM = American Society for
Testing Materials).

Followup to rec.bicycles.tech.
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
Keywords: weight
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:33:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep14.030709.15193@linus.mitre.org> bchivers@pacific.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:
>
>In article <b5sn+cr.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> > 
> > It is always faster to slow up then to accelerate.
>
>Not if you're riding uphill beside my girlfriend. ;-)
>Sprinting ahead and pulling over is often faster than
>trying to slow down enough for her to get ahead of me.

Brent, this is what my article was addressing in the first place.
The idea is for the erson nearest the _curb_ to slow down and
the person
in the street to pull over.
From: amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Pigeon in the helmet
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:57:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In rec.bicycles.misc <1992Sep6.175214.24079@panix.com>
  paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:

>  I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
> anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
> had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
> simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
> or her helmet.

Paul -- that sound like a real panic.  I've had doves crash into me,
and I used to have close encounters with pigeons, but I never had one
get stuck in my helmet.

My funniest memory was having my rear wheel launch a squirrel about 20
feet in the air.  It was trying to run through my wheel.  Poor squirrel.
My latest concern is avoiding the small green snakes that cross the fire
roads in a local forest.

Alex Miller
amiller@almaden.ibm.com
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Wanted: FAQ for rec.bicycles.*
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:31:50 GMT

In article <92250.104628CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu> Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I recently read a post in rec.bicycles stating that the FAQ for this set
>of groups would appear in rec.bicycles.misc.  Is this true. ?  If so,
>when will it appear ?  If not, is there an FTP site where I can obtain
>the FAQ ?  Any help would be most appreciated....

I usually post the FAQ around the 10th of the month.  You can get last
month's FAQ via anonymous ftp from draco.acs.uci.edu in pub/rec.bicycles.
The list of stuff in the archive is also posted each week in the weekly
posting.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
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Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:54:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <LOTTO.92Sep6185200@math.math.berkeley.edu> lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto) writes:
>I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
>after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
>Recommendations?

Road bike or mountain bike? What sort of bars? How do you ride?
What are the symtoms? Both sides equally?
From: lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Numb thumbs
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:52:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.berkeley.edu

I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
Recommendations?

Thanks.
--
-B. A. Lotto
Department of Mathematics/Lake Forest College/Lake Forest IL 60045
708-735-5159
lotto@math.berkeley.edu  (Yeah, you read that right!)
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Pigeon in the helmet
Summary: pigeon in the helmet
Keywords: pigeon;helmut
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:52:14 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 I was riding with a cycling buddy this morning and he recounted an
interesting even that happened to him last week.

 He was riding in a pace line, at the front, when a nyc pigeon hit him
in the head and got its beak stuck in the air intake of his giro helmet.

 He said it was somewhat difficult to keep a true line with the body of
the pigeon flailing about in front of his eyes, nose, and mouth.

 It finally blew loose, fell to the ground, and sadly, was crushed by the
pace line as they road by.

 I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
or her helmet.


-- 
*******************************************************************
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Brooklyn NY usa                                Design & Consultation
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From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:27:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Leg shaves
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:

>Sorry.  For body builders, it's a required part of the sport
>(as are fasting and diuretics).  For cyclists, it's pure vanity.

Although vanity is probably a part of it, I can't agree that it is the
whole reason for doing it.  A bigger part is that leg shaving is part of
the dress code for serious riders.  It's part of the price of admission
to the circle of competetive cyclists.  It's instant identification as
someone that other smooth legged riders won't mind in their paceline.
All the other arguments strike me as a little silly - explanations
put together after the fact as justifications.  Hey, I'm not saying don't
do it, let's just be reasonable about why.

-Bud
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: oivindt@fagmed.uit.no (Oivind Toien)
Subject: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Organization: University of Tromso, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:05:47 GMT

In article <920909.115718.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:
> In rec.bicycles.misc <1992Sep6.175214.24079@panix.com>
>   paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:

> >  I once had a squirrel stuck in the spokes of my front wheel. I doubt
> > anyone in the history of cycling, anywhere in the world (universe), ever
> > had a squirril stuck in the front wheel (doing laps of a sort), while
> > simultaneously having a bird (doesn't have to be a pigeon), stuck in his
> > or her helmet.

> Paul -- that sound like a real panic.  I've had doves crash into me,
> and I used to have close encounters with pigeons, but I never had one
> get stuck in my helmet.

> My funniest memory was having my rear wheel launch a squirrel about 20
> feet in the air.  It was trying to run through my wheel.  Poor squirrel.
> My latest concern is avoiding the small green snakes that cross the fire
> roads in a local forest.

> Alex Miller
> amiller@almaden.ibm.com

A technician at my last working place once had a cat trying to run
through her wheel. As I have heard the story the cat only got its head
through the spokes :-(  and the bike came to a sudden stop. She
turned up at work after a week in hospital/recovery with a
broken arm. When she started to ride again she got herself a helmet.

I have been real careful with cats trying to cross my path after this
-- even if they are not black :-).

--
Oivind Toien  <oivindt@fagmed.uit.no>
Dept. of Arctic Biology, Institute of Medical Biology, University of Tromso
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: michaelk@netcom.com (Michael Kronstadt)
Subject: Re: Mountain Bike Magazines
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:27:36 GMT
Organization: Abbott Critical Care Systems, Mountain View CA
Distribution: usa

"DIRT RAG"--not what you're asking for, but maybe what you should be
reading :-).  I think it's a lot of fun anyway.

Unfortunately, I don't have any of the relevant info at hand.

-- 
Michael Kronstadt         michaelk@netcom.com                       __o
Abbott Critical Care Systems       ____    "Ride the bike,        _`\<,_
Mountain View, CA                  \  /      ride the bike,      (*)/ (*)
(my opinions, not Abbott's)         \/        ride the bike." -- Fausto Coppi
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff)
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:38:08 GMT

Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:

>In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
>jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
>>
>>

>Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.


It is much easier to clean up road rash on smooth legs.  Especially if
bandages are required. (the tape to hold on the gauze doesn't pull on
any hair)  Seriously, the only reason that makes sense to shave is for
treating road rash and possibly massage.  A massage definitely feels
better without having the hair pulled during a vigorous rub.  Even with
a good oil, the hair can still get pulled.  If you don't crash, or don't
get leg massages after rides, don't bother shaving.

One other reason maybe for a psychological advantage in a race.  Especially
for novice races.  When you ride up to the starting line, and people see
you with smooth legs, they may become a little intimidated and think you
are a seasoned racer.  Sometimes this will give you a little break in a
race.  Also, if you pull up to the line and look around and see a bunch
of guys with their legs shaved, and you don't, you may psyche yourself 
out of contention.

Just a few thoughts.

--Brian

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(* Brian Radloff:  TI SPARC Product Engineer                                   *)
(*      TI MSGID:  PRDU                                                        *)
(*         email:  bradloff@khan (inside TI)                                   *)
(*              :  bradloff@micro.ti.com (outside TI)             ---  __o     *)
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From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:12:01 GMT
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

In rec.bicycles.misc, meinel@aero.org (Edward S. Meinel) writes:

> Get a 13-30. You can never have too low of a granny gear.
> If you are riding on the road with the off-road tires,
> a 12 is almost useless except for tail winds and
> downhill sections.

I agree that it's nice to have very low granny gears, but
I disagree that a 12 tooth cog is almost useless.  I'm
almost always in my 48x12 on the road, unless there's
an uphill or a headwind.  

Choosing mtb gears is definitely a compromise.  Soon I'm
going to put an Ultegra 8spd hub on my mtb so I can run
an 11-28 cluster and get a big enough gear for the road.  

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: zefal mini hp
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:48:44 GMT


|>   In article <lau.715635079@femto>, lau@femto.cs.umn.edu (Patrick
|>Lau)
|>   writes:
|>   |>I just got a mt. zefal mini double shot hp pump, and I could
|>hardly
|>   |>get
|>   |>it to pump up to 70 psi.(And it claims to pump up to 100 psi in
|>7
|>   |>strokes.
|>   |>Is this true?) Did I do something wrong, or does anyone else have
|>the
|>   |>same problem with this pump? Thanks for any help.
|>   |>
|>   |>Patrick


Rich Petty replies
|>	   They forgot to mention that the claim of 100 psi in 7 strokes
|>only
|>   works
|>   if you plug the business end of the pump with a rubber stopper. 



Philip replies

|>What do you mean by plugging up the "business end" with a rubber
|>stopper?  The only thing I could figure out to do with the rubber
|>stopper was plug up the valve attachment while the pump was on the
|>bike.  Is this stopper functional otherwise?
|>
|>Philip
|>
|>P.S.  I only manage to get about 40 psi in my mtn bike tires after
|>prodigious effort.  Go ahead, call me a girlie-man.
|>

Philip
It was a joke, I was saying to put a solid rubber stopper in the valve
stem orifice thus
completly sealing the pump. It ought to be fairly easy to reach the
pumps max in as
few as 7 strokes. Sorry for the confusion, just me being a smart-ass.
		Later-------------Rich
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Sep 1992 09:55:24 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In rec.bicycles.misc, meinel@aero.org (Edward S. Meinel) writes:

>> Get a 13-30. You can never have too low of a granny gear.
>> If you are riding on the road with the off-road tires,
>> a 12 is almost useless except for tail winds and
>> downhill sections.

>I agree that it's nice to have very low granny gears, but
>I disagree that a 12 tooth cog is almost useless.  I'm
>almost always in my 48x12 on the road, unless there's
>an uphill or a headwind.

>Choosing mtb gears is definitely a compromise.  Soon I'm
>going to put an Ultegra 8spd hub on my mtb so I can run
>an 11-28 cluster and get a big enough gear for the road.

>Keith Erskine

Keith,
Either you average about 28 MPH on your MTB, or you're going to
need knee surgery soon... Most mortal riders need to spin about
90 RPM to keep from overstressing their biomechanics, therefore
the smallest cogs on their clusters will normally not get much
use under normal conditions (other than downhills, sprints, or
tailwinds).  But I do think that MTBs used for commuting and
road riding should have more "roadie-like" clusters.  I am running
a 13-26 Deore DX on my Fisher, and am curious what types of cogs
are available on the market to turn it into a straight block (in
pancake-flat Florida, your granny gear is for when your granny rides
your MTB).  Any experience out there?

Mark (on your left) Hickey
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:12:08 GMT
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 11592@tms390.micro.ti.com, bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff) writes:
> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
> 
> >In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
> >jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
> >>
> >>Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
> >>
> >>
> 
> >Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.
> 
> 
> It is much easier to clean up road rash on smooth legs.  Especially if
> bandages are required. (the tape to hold on the gauze doesn't pull on
> any hair)  Seriously, the only reason that makes sense to shave is for
> treating road rash and possibly massage.  A massage definitely feels
> better without having the hair pulled during a vigorous rub.  Even with
> a good oil, the hair can still get pulled.  If you don't crash, or don't
> get leg massages after rides, don't bother shaving.
> 
> One other reason maybe for a psychological advantage in a race.  Especially
> for novice races.  When you ride up to the starting line, and people see
> you with smooth legs, they may become a little intimidated and think you
> are a seasoned racer.  Sometimes this will give you a little break in a
> race.  Also, if you pull up to the line and look around and see a bunch
> of guys with their legs shaved, and you don't, you may psyche yourself 
> out of contention.
> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
> --Brian
> 
> (*                                                                             *)
> (* Brian Radloff:  TI SPARC Product Engineer                                   *)
> (*      TI MSGID:  PRDU                                                        *)
> (*         email:  bradloff@khan (inside TI)                                   *)
> (*              :  bradloff@micro.ti.com (outside TI)             ---  __o     *)
> (*         phone:  (713) 274-2206                              ----  _`\<,_    *)
> (*                                                              --- (*)/ (*)   *)


So treating road rash is main reason? How often do racers crash? :-(
It seems odd that people would go through daily/weekly sessions of
irritation (leg shavings) to avoid a little less discomfort as a result
of an event we all try to avoid. What happens if you go a whole season
of shaving without a crash? :-)


John
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