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From: GXU@KENTVM.KENT.EDU ("Xu, Gang")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Petition letter for Prof. Wen Yuankai
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:34:55 GMT

Forwarding on request. Please contact HSHI@VTVM1 for cosigning of the
letter.
                                                   Gang Xu
----------------------------Original message----------------------------

     The following is a letter requesting permission for Professor
Wen Yuankai to visit the U.S.. If you would like to co-sign it,
please send your signatures to HSHI@VTVM1 or call Xiuchai Liu
at (201)328-8417. Comments are welcome.

             *                *                 *

         An Open Letter to China's State Education Commission
         On Prof. Wen Yuankai's Scheduled Visit to the U.S.

Mr. Li Tieying
Chairman
State Education Commission
Bejing, China

Dear Chairman Li Tieying:

     We, a group of oversea Chinese students and scholars, are
deeply concerned with what has recently happened to Professor
Wen Yuankai at the University of Science and Technology of China.

     Professor Wen is an internationally renowned scientist. His
decades of devotion to science has led to a series of outstanding
academic achievements. He has also made significant contributions
to China by advocating reform and opening to the outside world.
Many of us have personally benefited from his teachings and advice
and we all regard him as a scholar of integrity.

     However, the present situation in which Professor Wen finds
himself has caused deep concern among us. For quite some time,
he has been denied access to classroom, research fund, and publication.
Not long ago, Professor Wen was invited by California Polytechnic
Institute to give a series of lectures in the United States, but
the related Chinese government agency has repeatedly turned down his
application for the visit, a practice that has left us in
perplexion.

     We have noticed the recently expressed wish by the Chinese
leaders for oversea students and scholars to return to work for
our nation's modernization regardless of their past political
opinions. We feel encouraged by such a move. Although we are
far from home, we have followed closely what has been happening
in China. We believe that the obstruction to Professor Wen's
visit is incongruent with the general trend of greater reform
and will have a negative impact on the future return of oversea
students and scholars. It is our hope that the government
will take this opportunity to demonstrate its commitment to
reform and its sincerity towards Chinese intellectuals by
permitting Professor Wen Yuankai to be engaged in international
academic activities.

     With best regards,

                             (signed)

cc. President Gu Chaohao, USTC
    Premier Li Peng, State Council
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From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe )
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:47:34 GMT

yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:


>	who paid for your tuition in China?  When did you return it?
>	Don't tell me "i will return it later on".

   I, like  many other chinese ordinary people, paid my own tuition by
   working 8 hours a day, 6 days a week for getting less than $1 dollar
   a day.
   Most chinese students here are willing to send money to their country,
   like the flood and June 4th donation, etc, but they just don't like to
   see their money get into those killer's hands.

>	Down first yourself, who eating the "human blood bread" right NOW!

   No personal attack, please!
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin)
Subject: What is Hua Xia Wen Zhai (CND-CM) and how to subscribe
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:59:24 GMT

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From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:13:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

>
>Sorry, Yi Chia Tzu (one cycle of Kan-Tzu) is 60 years.
>                                     ^^^

Should be Chih.

Yi Chia Tzu = Yi Jia Zi
Kan Chih    = Gan Zhi


-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
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From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe )
Subject: Re: Three Years Ago, Hu Yaobang Died ......
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:56:03 GMT

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:


>... then there was a serious traffic accident and many
>people also died. Thanks to the Great People's Liberation
>Army, many others were saved.
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   So the many others could be used as their targets late.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~
From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: please return this book
Keywords: please return this book
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.204808.16057
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



(Ke  Liao) writes:

>For those people in University of Illoins at Urbana-Champaign:
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>	Please return this book to Asian Library:
>  .......

  
  I am in UIUC, but why I should return the book. I don't have it anyway.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:34:46 GMT

In article <29E64837.10332@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
<
<1. India and Mexico have more "freedoms" than China, why didn't they
<   go there?

Very good point.  I ran a little experiment a few years ago by asking these
FGNCZ whether they'd go to Bangladesh if no other country would offer them
"protection".  The results?  Not one was willing to go to Bangladesh.
Interesting, isn't it?  I'd go anywhere if my life were truly in danger.

<2. In China, people cannot pursue what they want by people themselves,
<   because of CCP.  Hey!  In the US, there is no CCP in power, why don't
<   they get green cards by themselves rather than thru "I don't like to
<   go home, becasue those CCP guys will bet me".

_Tong4kuai_!

<3. maybe CCP owe your parents something, but that's the deal between
<   CCP and your parents.  The issue is: did YOU return what you owe
<   to CCP as yet?

Good question, Shannon.  But you have to get even more basic than that.
Past discussions on SCC have revealed that many SCCers *deny* owing anything
to the CCP or their _tong2bao1men_ in China.

<4. China become democratic first, or you go home to join the construction
<   of a democratic system for China first?

Or would they stay here no matter what the political situation in China?

<5. These "6.4 green cards" shall be called as "red cards" becasue they
<   reflect 6.4. victims' blood.

_Tong4kuai_ again!!!  Oh, by the way, Joel Kniaz, a KMT-backed rag called
the _World Journal_ (_Shi4jie4 ri4bao4_) carries quite a lot of ads from
lawyers in the New York area offering _liu4 si4 gong1ka3_--*literally*
`June 4 green cards'.  I think that term is quite apropos.

They've gone from "iron rice bowl" (_tie3 fan4wanr3_) to "blood-filled bun"
(_xue3 man2tou_).

<6. Well, i understand that they might get some sort "street freedoms" after 
<   they get the "red cards", but these freedoms are built based on the
<   loss of other people's freedoms.  Because more and more people in 
<   China will be having more difficulty to get out.

Exactly.  That's why the term _fa1 guo2 nan4 cai2_ applies.

<   In order to stay on business, coffin store always hope more and more
<   people will die.

Again, _fa1 guo2 nan4 cai2_.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Flood Donation
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:39:35 -0500

In article <1992Apr15.222751.11754@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> 
dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> ...
>> I am as outside as you are in terms of IFCSS (membership?)  :-0  :-)
>
>Yes, that's why I use "outsiders like *us*".  

Thank you ...

>> If you follow SCC, you should see that the BJ LZ An Mong claimed that
>> IFCSS would send money back in ONE MONTH, and you must have seen Eddie's
>> posting on the subject today, and SCC hasn't seen the story from the
>> other side, but according to Eddie's message, the BJ LZ An Mong's
>> political masturbation show went nowhere and he didn't mention "donation
>> money" until later in that show (he FK-ed IFCSS on MFN, then claimed to
>> sue IFCSS for mail fraud, and then donation money), you should see how
>> honest BOTH sides are ... :-)
>
>That still hasn't answered the question. If you don't know, say don't know. :-)

Well, hell, did I say I know?  :-)  Wasn't above quote clear enough as my
COMMENT instead of answer?  :-)  Didn't I refer you (lots of you on SCC :-)
to BJ LZ An Mong ?   The other party, IFCSS Gao Gan's never respond to 
anything on SCC, so I never bother to ask them on SCC :-)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:13025 soc.culture.taiwan:7458 soc.culture.hongkong:5765
From: chang@utkux1.utk.edu (G. Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Chinese Calendar, Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Keywords: calendar
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:15:11 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

In article <1992Apr14.081742.6713@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>>
>>How old Chinese people calculated the season from lunar calender?
>
>	Does anybody know?  I'm really curious.  :(
>
  I found a fairly complete description of Chinese calendar in _Encyclopaedia
  Britannica_. I would like to make some comments first.

  1. There were evidences that the Shang people already used the Yin-Yang
     calendar, thus the trditional Chinese belief that the calendar dated
     back to Xia Dynasty (and thus called Xia calendar) is possible.
  2. In ancient times, there were different calendars in use in different 
     parts of China. The standardization might happened in the 3rd century BC,
     when the Qin2 dynasty was founded.
  3. The Chinese calendar is very complicated, there were always officials
     who were in charge of the calendar and issued it to the common people.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From _Encyclopaedia Britannica_:

"Evidences from the Shang oracle bone inscriptions show that at least by the
 14th century BC the Shang Chinese had established the solar year at 365 1/4
 days and lunation (the time between New Moons) at 29 1/2 days. In the calendar
 that the Shang people used, the seasons of the year and the phases of the Moon
 were all supposedly accounted for. One of the two methods that they used to
 make this calendar was to add an extra month of 29 or 30 days, ..., to the
 end of a regular 12-month year. ..."

"By the 3rd century BC, ... the establishment of the meteorological cycle,
 ... revised the second method. This meteorological cycle contained 24 points
 each beginning one of the periods named consecutively the Spring Begins,
 the Rain Water, ..."

"The 24 points within the meteorological cycle coincide with points 15 [degree]
 apart on the ecliptic (the plane of the Earth's yearly journey around the Sun,
 ...). It takes about 15.2 days for the Sun to travel from one of these points
 to another, ... Supposedly, each of the 12 months of the year contains two
 points, but, because a lunar month has only 29 1/2 days and the two points
 share about 30.4 days, there is always the chance that a lunar month will
 fail to contain both points, ... If such an occasion occurs, the intercalation
 of an extra month takes place. ..."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: Q: foreigners bringing radios to PRC
Keywords: RADIO
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University, New York City
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:25:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.194114.16806@yang.earlham.edu> jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Hello, If there is anyone out there who knows about Chinese regulations of 
>foreigners bringing in unusual radios, (like ham and shortwave)  I wonder 
>if you could inform me if the PRC allows foreigners to bring:
>a) shortwave radios
>b) VHF-LO, VHF, UHF scanning radio

  and, how about
	c) transmitters, tranceivers.?
	d) handhelds (like walkie-talkie). ?

>Please E-mail me if you know...

	Me too.  Me too.   Hey, how about post it.

>Thanks
>Jeremiah Wilton    "jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu"    "jeremiah@earlham.bitnet"
	Thanks
====================================>.sig <====================================
  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
  Interests (Member of):
  Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
  The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
  New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
====================================> end <====================================

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From: kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:02:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.043008.21493@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
>You won't have to worry about that, Charles.  I'd never make a "good"
>candidate.
>
>					--Scott

	Well then, if not the "good" party candidate,  how about 
	entering as the "Bad-nasty-evil" party candidate?    ;^>

     ______________________________________________________________________
    / "Lo, Though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death,       /
    \    I fear not!                                        ______________\
    /  For I am the biggest son-of-a-bitch in the valley." / My favorite  /
    \______________________________________________________\ expression...\
    / Joel Kniaz   kniaz@garfield.cs.wisc.edu  kniaz@jomby /      __i     /
    \______________________________________________________\_yiLballe(Mu)_\
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 13:43:18 EDT
From: Al Bersbach <BERSBACH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Beijing Polytechnic University network address needed

An exchange professor from Beijing wants to write home.  If anyone knows
how to send e-mail to Beijing Polytechnic University please write to me.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: People's Representative? (Re: China & HK News
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:02:56 GMT

In article <199204110059.AA16450@tramp.Colorado.EDU> xiao@TRAMP.COLORADO.EDU (XIAO YANG) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.032838.514@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (Chunde Shi) write:
>>In article <199204081656.AA00977@tramp.Colorado.EDU> xiao@TRAMP.COLORADO.EDU (XIAO YANG) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr8.011713.17691@ulowell.ulowell.edu> Shi write:
>>>>In article <1992Apr8.002312.13148@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>>>>>>Sichuan Governor Mr Zhang Haoruo, who voted
>>>>>>>>for the project, said he supported the plan although the
>>>>>>>>majority of Sichuanese were against the project.
>>>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is there a poll ?
>>>
>>>
>>>I am sure there is no such a poll. However from the deep feeling 
>>>of many people in Sichuan they are again the building of the dam.
>
>
>>Your "feeling" is wrong! When I was taking a course back in China on the project. At beginning sichanuan government was against the project because the reson 
>>you mentioned. But later on changed their mind. because the dam will let
>>10 thousand ton ship reach Chong Qing city from Shang Hai.
>
>If you grew up along the Yangtze River in Sichuan, you will agree with my
>feeling. BTW,How many 10-thousand-ton ships have you seen in Wuhan? For a handful of
>Wan4-Dun1-Lun2 to get to Chong Qing each year, shall we build a dam like this?
                                          Not for that single reson.
>In fact Sichuna was forced to cooperate with this project and 10-thounsand-
                    Too quick, unbacked speculation.
>ton ships is just a dream to comfort themselves. 
>
>
>>The project was extreamly complicated. Opinion could not be used as substituation for feasibility study. People who are against the project seem to be eager
>>in opposition to CCP, rather than any other legitmate resons with regard to
>>the project.
>
>I would fully agree with you if Chinese goverment had ever 
>allowed a single systemetic article in opposition to the building of the dam published on any major national wide newspaper. And look
There were internal debate on the project, among experts, government officials. Chinese system workd the 
way different from West where every thing goes to news media. In China, differences ate resolved
in back doors. I am not suggesting China has a better system, I think the system has its historical and
social back ground. I do wish it will align the system somewhat like the west one, not to copy from the
West. Because it lacks of openness on the decision making process, it is often considered 
by outside world that the system is totalitarian.
inposing
>at the timing of the project being approved, people's brains are in fever now
>if not crazy.
>
>
>
From: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Not A Funny Joke: Defend Li Peng...
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:21:33 GMT
Reply-To: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Organization: Canada

I don't want to get involved (or attacked) in the debating (or fighting) inside
this group, but i can't help saying some words for Xiao-lin Li.

Mr. Xiao_lin Li only speaks his own views on those political subjects (even i
am not interested in). This is a democratic world, anyone can express his opinion
in any matter. Therefore those personal attacks or phone harrassments to him were
very wrong, and unffair to Xiao-Lin Li.
From: xu@CS.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6/4, green card, etc.
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:24:52 GMT


In article <29E7B015.21573@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
>+>	2.  I myself had been excercising my freedom of speech in Beijing for
>+>	    years and they never "simply arrest" me.  But I want to tell you, 
>+>	    some FUCKED-UP professors at my university (in Beijing) tried to 
>+>	    screw me very hard.  	
>+
>+Academically?
>
>	totally non-academic.  Some people call that campus as
>	Ke(science)Ji(tech)Dang(party)Xiao(school), and some call it as 
>	concentration camp.

My sympath to you. So the party prosecuted you. How can you say you
had the freedom of speech. Remember, the definition of freedom of speech
is NOT that one can speak without been arrested, but that once can speak
without being harrassed INCLUDING not being arrested and not being screwed.

>+>+   A fundamental question: Who killed those demonstrated in TAM? Who?
>+>+Chinese students here? or CCP in Beijing? Is CCP ( by the way donkey
>+>+Scott always apologizes for ) order the killing of thousands in 1989?
>+>
>+>	You students caused the killing!! You did not give them any additional
>+>	choice!
>+
>+Shannon, I really feel I have no additional choice after you said this. May
>+I kill you?
>
>	What?  you want to get two green cards for yourself?  (Beijing blood
>	give you one green card, and my blood helps you with one more green
>	card?)

I wonder how far your speculation will go. I came here after April 1, 90,
thus I can by no means take advantage from the executive order or the new
regulation. The 6/4 card simply can't be related to me. But I do believe
you can take the advantage. 

What I insinuated by the question is: if one doesn't have additional choice,
killing is then justified? If you don't think I have the right to kill you,
what the hell you think the CCP had the right to kill the students?

BTW, is your blood green? Otherwise how can it help me with my green card?
I know some insects' blood is green :-))


Hao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china