From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: ONENESS AND UNIQUENESS OF THE CREATOR
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.181328.17072@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...
> 
>This is from Dr. Habib Siddiqui (RBNXHS@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com):
> 
>This is in response to Arshad Hussain's ignorance of the Qur'an:
>Where did you find in the Qur'an that Jesus was *not* born without a
>father, as you claim? You also deny the miracles he performed with
>Allah's permission. You are either ignorant of the Qur'an or are deceiving
>yourself, may be by the false teachings of Qadiani/Ahmadi sect. Please,
>correct your belief, if you want to consider yourself a Muslim.
> 
>The Qur'an says in details about the birth of ^Isa-the son of Maryam:
>"Behold| The angels said: O Mary| Allah gives you glad tidings          of
>a word from Him, whose name is masih, ^Isa - son of Maryam, illustrious
>in this world and the Hereafter, one of the company of those nearest to
>God. He will *speak* unto mankind in his cradle and his manhood, and he
>is among the righteous ones. She said: My Lord| How can I have a child
>when *no* mortal has touched me? He said: So (it will be). God created
>what He will. If He decrees a thing, He has only to say "Be" and it is.
>And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Taurat and the Injil
>and will make him a messenger unto the children of Israil, (saying):
>Behold| I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, I fashion for you
>the likeness of a *bird*, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by
> *Allah's permission*. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper,
>and I raise the *dead*, by *Allah's permission*. And I announce unto you
>what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Behold| Herein verily
>is a portent for you, if ye would believe.  And (I come) confirming that
>which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord,
>so keep duty to Allah and obey me, Allah is my Lord, so worship Him.
>That is the straight path." (Quran 3:45-51)
> 
>The Qur'an further says that Jesus was not put to death on the cross:
>"And because of their saying: 'We slew the masih Isa - son of Maryam,
>Allah's Rasul'. They slew him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared
>so unto them; and behold| those who disagree concerning it are in doubt
>thereof; they have *no knowledge* thereof save pursuit of a conjecture;
>they slew him *not* for certain. But Allah *took him up unto Himself*.
>Allah is ever Mighty, Wise." (Qur'an 4:157-158)
> 
>As to ^Isa's being nothing more than a mortal man, a Rasul, the Qur'an
>says: "The masih, the son of Maryam, was no other than a Rasul, messengers
>(the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a
>saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how Allah
>does make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are turned
>away." (Qur'an 5:78)
> 
>The above verses are self-explanatory and agrees with Brother Muhammad's
>(Irfan Allan) posting regarding the belief among the Muslims concerning
>^Isa alaihe was-salam.
> 
>Arshad: you obviously are ignorant of these verses of the Qur'an or you
>are deliberately trying to mislead Muslims with your
>erroneous views concernign ^Isa (AWS). I, however, do see a parallel
>in your views with those of deviant groups like Qadiani/Ahmedi sect,
>who are not part of Islam and are rejected by all Muslims as non-Muslims
>(the Qur'an itself is sufficient, as I have shown here, to prove the
>Qadianis wrong). In all sincerity, I therefore urge you to renew your
>faith in Islam and don't be fooled by misguided teachings of Qadiani/
>Ahmedi sect.
>-
> 
>H. Siddiqui.
> 
>

	My dear Muslim Brother,
           It is good that you have brought up the
        most important issue of our times. Which is
        eating our Muslim community like a "DIMUK".
        Everyone knows that all of the problems we are facing
        as a nation in Pakistan or muslims in general
        can be solved immediately once we decide if the
        jesus was born with or without a father. 
        Thank you again and "Jizakallah bil khare".

        [BTW I heard some people claiming that jesus
         died in kashmir and while on his way to 
         kashmir his mother died in Murre. I know that
         we have a grave in Murre (i think near
         TV antenna) which is known as the grave
         of "MARYAM BIBI" . Can anyone suggest
         some historical refrences for or
         against?]


Mirza Ilyas
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