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From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:39:44 GMT
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.

In article <6NOV199208200941@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>                                           A couple, of opposite sex, living
>together as man and wife - that is a euphemism for sleeping together.

Which is itself a euphemism...

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:18:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard SSG/CCSY-PWD, UK.

cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave) writes:
>One minor point I say almost every week "...we believe in one holy, catholic
>and apostolic church...". So in this respect I consider myself to be an
>Anglo-Catholic, but I am not a Roman Catholic. So don't use the term catholic
>when you mean Roman Catholic.
>-- 

Perhaps you are unclear on the terms catholic, Catholic, and Anglo-Catholic;
three different things.  Most CofE members recite the Apostolic Creed each
week, but that doesn't make them Anglo-Catholics.

Andrew (what do I know, I was raised a Baptist)
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:26:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>It could be constructive if stability were the only issue.
>However, there are other aspects of PR that I find
>problematic - I raised my objections to coalition
>government already - and they appear to me to be features
>common to PR in general, rather than breaking neatly across
>a German/non-German divide.

There is no guarantee that the current system used in the UK
will not deliver coalitions. We have already reached the state
where large parts of the country the two party system is
effectively Conservative-LibDem, not Conservative-Labour,
althogh this is disguised because in most of
Conservative-LibDemland, the LibDems come second to the Tories
so don't get any seats. If they were to do a little better,
we'd have a permanent three party situation, much as in
Germany.

There are many local councils in the UK (elected by the same
system) which are run by coalitions, with all the advantages
and disadvantages that implies.

If you really want to stop the possibility of coalition
government, the only way to do it is a list system in which if
no party gets more than 50% of the vote anyway, the largest is
given an artificial majority by boosting its number of seats (I
think Mussolini instituted such a system in Italy, and it has
been tried by several other dubious types).

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: graham@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Graham A Stephen)
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Organization: University College of N Wales, Bangor
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:27:44 GMT


In article <5829@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:
> But the English gov't could simply pass a new Bill or amend the old one without
> getting the approval of the governed.

Well, that is handy to know -- would the UK government be able to do
the same then?


--
graham a stephen                    
(e-mail: graham@sees.bangor.ac.uk)        

``One measures a circle beginning anywhere'' -- Charles Hoy Fort (1874-1932)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com (#David McSavaney)
Subject: Re: Brit/Yank pronunciation [Was: How to insult a Brit]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:46:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: Merkun


A lovely quote from last nights PBS broadcast of some British
TV movie with Stephen Fry saying of his American friend:

"Just because you don't speak properly, doesn't mean I can't understand you".

'nuff sed

Dave

This has nothing to do with Hewlett-Packard Corporation
(or even Ulitt-PAKrd as I am learning to call it here)

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:48:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <1992Nov9.172623.21884@athena.cs.uga.edu>, wells@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
> 
> 
> BTY, I miss the analogy between American slaves and religious
> dissentors. To be a Roman Catholic or a Unitarian was a capital crime
> in GB until one of the Toleration Acts (rightly dated) in 1803 (?)

I think that this is completely wrong.   Could you produce
some evidence of this?

jon.
From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Down with Maastricht
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:28:18 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <e4TPTB9w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> Hopefully, soon, the Maastricht Treaty will be shot down to flames today.
> 
> Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
> userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
> God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
> American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America


Unfortunately the Government won the vote last night, so Maastricht is not dead
yet. However, the bill to ratify the treaty has got a long way to go... 

Dave
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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:53:54 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>No, but it does start ``A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
>security of a free State''.  Even more illuminating of the original
>intention is Section 13 of the Virginia Bill of Rights, the source for
>much of the first 10 Amendments:
>
>       That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the
>       people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe
>       defence of a free State; that standing armies, in time of
>       peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that in
>       all cases the military should be under strict subordination
>       to, and governed by, the civil power.

Thanks for the enlightenment.  I had always thought that the 
authors of the Bill of Rights had meant that the only way
you can regulate the militia, an arm of the local or national
government, is to assure that it never gets a monopoly on arms.
Therefore the right (of the individual) to keep and bear arms must
not be abridged.  The wording of the Virginia Bill casts it in an
entirely different light. 

On the other hand, the founders may have deliberately left out 
the enlightening phraseology to leave it open to interpretation.
``A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a 
free State'' does imply that it is the State militia that needs 
regulating.  Who can do this except for individuals who have the 
right to bear arms?

Maybe Virginia had the Swiss model in mind, which requires 
everyone to be in the militia, take weapons training and 
keep rifles in their home.  Nah.  Not here.

Confused and worried in Texas.
From: chris@ng.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British citizen
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:29:08 GMT
Reply-To: ngc@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: What organization?

In article <1992Nov4.071512.6891@osf.org>, sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:

> 
> I would have thought the first thing you would need to do is go and live
> in Britain for a while, which should be easy for a German, all you need is
> a job (and after Maastricht, maybe not even that). In fact, once
> Maastricht is in effect you will be indistinguishable from a real citizen
> with the exception of your passport, as your rights will be the same, both
> in the UK and abroad. Other than you will still have to do German National
> Service (I think they have it).


> 
Could some elaborate about Maastricht with respect to citizenship in the EC?
Is it that beginning 1/1/1993, all EC nationals will be issued a EC passport?
Thanks.



Chris Ng

***** I do not speak for my employer, period. *****
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:56:49 GMT

anw@maths.nott.ac.uk writes:
>> 						An example of such
>> a meta-law is the one banning hybrid Bills (of which, according to Urban
>> Legend, the most famous was one in which some obscure new measure to do
>> with sewage disposal had tacked on to it by some disgruntled clerk that
>> "J Arthur Boggis of 123 Acacia Avenue, Sometown was hereby divorced from
>> his wife Mildred").

The way it was told to me was that the clause read "And the clerk of the
South Kent water board shall be divorced from his wife".  It caused a
bigger problem when the first clerk retired and was replaced by another
man.  The question being, was this replacement clerk also divorced by this
act of Parliament?

Incidentally, on another subject, I am a regular watcher of the House of
Eliot here in Cal -- its in many ways a terrible soap opera but I get a
kick out of hearing the actors talk.  There's some nobleman now who
pronouces the word "Parliament" with the middle "i" and "a" both voiced
clearly.  Full marks to him or his voice coach.  Does anyone talk like
this any more in real life?

Dick Jackson
From: MDuPree@world.std.com (Micky DuPree)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Brit/Yank pronunciation [Was: How to insult a Brit]
Summary: oops, sorry
Keywords: Merkun
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:02:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BxGyK9.Hz9
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I wrote:
>if I refine it and exaggerate it, it comes
>out close to, "I'm-nuh Mer`kun," where I think you could say that the
>first "a" represents an elongation of the nasal stretch between the
>first "m" and the first "n", and the second "a" represents a glottal
>stop.                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry.  This should read "the 'i'".  It doesn't pay to type in a 
hurry.

-Micky


* Paul Smee for president.  Stephen Wilcox for PM *
From: fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (Frank K Bowles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Sunday Trading (Was Re: Salaries+cost of living in UK)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:24:52 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <cicero.1van@hotcity.COM>, cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:
|> In article <1d3ap6INNemb@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
|> writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct30.145048.10493@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy
|> Ba
|> >rry) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Oh, you meant the status of Sunday *trading* in the UK.  Well, no, you
|> >>didn't mean that either, you meant in England, Wales and Northern
|> >>Ireland (it's all perfectly legal in Scotland).
|> >
|> >Not if you want to buy a can of beer/bottle of wine/bottle of whisky
|> >etc.  it isn't. Always amazes me that Scotland with it's civilised pub
|> >opening hours and Sunday opening should still have this one anomalous
|> >restriction in place.
|> >

|> Well that one restriction is more universal.  Here in the US (Land of the 24
|> hour discount department store and the all night restaurant) many states
|> prohibit or restrict sunday liquor sales.  If WE do it, it may be a much
|> tougher nut to crack.  On the other hand, Americans can be rather puritanical
|> so who knows?
|> 


I'm sorry, are you suggesting that because something coincidentally is
law in parts of the United States as well as Scotland  it is
intrinsically harder to change?  As far as I am aware alcohol "liquor"
restrictions in the US are completely barmy and I think it unlikely Ian
Lang (Secretary of State for Scotland) will be consulting various state
legislatures before re-introducing the Legal Reform (Scotland) Bill
which would have done away with this restriction.  This never became
law because the legal lobby didn't like it - not because they don't
want to buy booze on a Sunday, but because it had more serious
implications for the relationship between advocates and solicitors.

Frank


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From: es_lewis@rcvie.co.at (Stephen Lewis)
Subject: Re: What time is "half seven"?
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov04.163021.24701@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
>lefevre@brasseur.acd.ucar.edu (Franck Lefevre) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov2.172348@cs.man.ac.uk> chardi@cs.man.ac.uk writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov2.110707.9796@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>>>|> 
>>>|> In the UK, 'half seven' (as a time) is seven-thirty.  I've been told
>>>|> that in German, it is six-thirty, but since I'm not fluent in German I
>>>|> wouldn't swear to it.
>>>
>>>Yes it is - "halb drei" is actually 2:30 ('half two').
>>                   ~~~~                          ~~~|
>>                     |--> half two or half three ? <-
>
>>                      This story is getting more and more confusing.
>
>null ein zwei drei vier fuenf sechs seben acht neun zen
>
>
>'halb seben' ist ein halb stunde bevor seben uhr
>
>nicht sehr komplicatisch?
>

Ok then anyone want to tell me what "viertel sieben" (literally "quarter
seven") means?  Or how about "drei viertel sieben?"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: VNS: Tue  3-Nov-1992
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:39:01 GMT

Gwyn Evans @ IME (evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com) wrote:
> 
>    Well, it is the rape seed that seems to be at the cause of the 
> problems, although I don't know if the specific application of it
> as a fuel source was involved but given that the farmers can grow
> fuel-crops on the 'set-aside' land that they get subsidies for, I
> expect do.
> 
>    There was a short mention of these buses on Tomorrows World not
> long ago, which implied that while the fuel itself was less harmful
> to the enviroment than, for example, diesel, the figures changed
> when the work involved in growing the crop (fertilisers, etc),
> harvesting (fuel for farm machinery, etc) and extracting the oil
> (whatever!) is included in the calculations.
> 

Sounds like them barking up the wrong tree again.  The fuel is intended
to cut urban pollution from diesels, a real problem in the UK.  There's
no reason why you couldn't move forward from there and clean up the other
aspects of production.  After all, the fuel for other stages in the process
is generally also diesel.  Fertilizer is an issue that all of farming will
have to address anyway.

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:23:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <dhalliwe.721084546@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA writes:
> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> 
> 
> >In article <dhalliwe.721004691@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA writes:
> >> 
> >>   [discussion of brits in Canadian universities omitted - DH]
> 
> >It's a pity that Mr Godfrey's posting is evoking some responses
> >almost as over-generalised.   I suspect this is what he wanted.
> 
>    Yes. That is why my first post on the subject stated that my sweeping
> generalization deserved the same treatment as Laurence's sweeping
> generalization.

That's good.   If it was merely satire, it had me fooled.

> 
>    I definitely do not think that Laurence Godfrey's attitudes and
> opinions (or capabilities, I presume) are representative of the british
> in general. Our department here has several brits that like it here (and
> are liked). We also just hired another one away from Cambridge, who will
> be a definite plus.

Phew!

jon.
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From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: In your school?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:02:47 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
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migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
: In article <5NOV199203010964@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: >>>So Canada stands twice condemned - it has to hire mediocre
: >>>Brits and it does so because it can't produce anything less mediocre itself.
: >> 
: >>And occasionally Canada realizes its mistakes and refuses grants to
: >>particularly mediocre Brits.
: >
: >As I've told you on at least one occasion, I have NOT been refused a grant
: >by Canada (I don't know where you got this idea from).  I repeat, I had 
: >a dispute with your laughable National Research Council who employed me
: >and quit my job with them in 1987.  Check if you wish.
: 
: Now why on earth would you think I was referring to you?
: Hit a nerve, have I?

Oh no! The dual personalities are fighting it out again!
Hopefully there might be a third paternal personality inside the
Godfrey Entity who might mediate between Mike and his unstable 
counterpart Laurence.

The drama continues...

-- 
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bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Viloence in british military schools (Help for anthro. study)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:56:40 GMT

Tom Oates writes:
>To the best of my knowledge there are no 'military schools' in the UK.

That was my reaction when the original question was asked, but I wasn't
going to display possible ignorance by saying so. The closest I could
come up with is Haileybury (sp?) which I believe caters to the children
of military officers (usually abroad) and perhaps has a pre-Sandhurst
slant.

But in the US the military school has another function nowadays. I have
had personal contact (albeit third hand) with parents who send their
offspring to military schools as a last resort -- the children being
considered impervious to normal school discipline. The goal is not to
have them follow a military career, but simply to have their rebellious
streak beaten out of them.

I have never heard of any equivalent to this in England, unless you count
"reform school" -- whatever that is exactly?

Dick Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:08:48 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.034654.128422@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes...
>That is my last response on this thread for Mr. Patience and Mr. Cooke.
> 
>>> I'm surprised to hear that "everyone" complains that the UK is not a
>>> democratic country! Did Major roll over the tanks to Number 10 last April,
>>> or what? I'd suggest that, for whatever reasons, the Tories won the popular
>>> vote. Simple arithmetic.
>>
>>You clearly know nothing of the British electoral system. The "whatever
>>reasons" are that the result of the election does not represent the
>>popular vote.
> 
>Simple Question: Did the Tories get more votes than Labour? Simple Answer:
>Yes, therefore they have the right to govern. If you dispute the "yes", post
>your numbers - if I am wrong, I would be interested to know. I am not going
>to lose more time proving the obvious. The same goes for Mr. Cooke, too, who
>says...
> 

Another simple question:
	Did the Tories get an absolute majority of all the votes in the
	last General Election?

Simple answer: No. 

Does this minority of votes cast for them give them a
mandate to govern with an absolute majority in the house of commons?




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From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:16:43 GMT

Scouse is another dialaccent which distinguishes
between you (2nd singular) and yous (2nd plural).

There is a story told of a teacher newly arrived
from out of town. In his class was a boy called
Hughes (common in Liverpool, being close to Wales).
Wishing to speak to this lad, the teacher said
"Stand up Hughes", whereupon the whole class stood.

Has scouse become sufficiently fashionable yet
to attract the attention of academics?

From an early age, I realised that the spoken and
written languages were different - even the spoken
language will depend on the company.
Language is a wonderful continuity over time,
space, class and situation.
Over-zealous attempts at classification in grey areas
only play into the hands of those who make a
living out of defining and defending boundaries.

Henry Sewell       my opinion, not my employer's
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: How to insult a Brit (reprise)
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:48:31 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

Could someone explain what subset of the inhabitants of the British
isles the word Briton embraces?  Likewise Great Britain, The United
Kingdom, etc.  How do the two Irelands, Scottland and Wales fit
into all this?  When is it proper to use the word Englishman/woman?
and do you have a gender-collective form for Englishperson (e.g.
like American)?

There'll always be an England, but will there always be a Great
Britain and a U.K.?

Much obliged,
Gerry
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