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From: v128juxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SCHUYJUANNAH)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Is Mark Twain an alien? (was: Re: 92 ST:TNG Cliffhanger)
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:14:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY@Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <5828@ucru2.ucr.edu>, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes...
>> >> funny. He might be one of those alien thingies.
>> there was a discussion on this at great length on r.a.s.current. this 
>> possibility, however, was never mentioned, regardless of the fact that:
>> 	1. in 1893, samuel clemens' hair was not that white yet
>> 	2. in 1893, samuel clemens was supposedly living somewhere really
>> 	distant from San Fran! (mebbe new england?!?)
> 
>hmmmmm, you bring up a couple of interesting points.  Are you implying
>that the Mark Twain in the episode was in fact an alien?
I did, sir......it was so obvious!

>I said earlier that I could believe either idea, that Twain was an alien
>creature or the real McCoy (not bones, but Samuel).  But to play the
>devil's advocate, the two points that you mention should be considered
>irrevelent.  Film always tends to portray characters how people envision
>them, and Mark Twain is always envision as being a white haired gentlemen.
>And, why couldn't Twain have taken a vacation to S.F. in 1893?
TV/Films don't necessarily have to be historically accurate to a T. I mean
the 3rd series of Black Adder is *very* historically inaccurate but is a
good show for plots and such. It doesn't *have* to make historical sense.

Besides, I think it would be tre's interessant if Twain *was* the alien.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: fsrsg@acad3.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse)
Subject: Re: enterprise(1014)
Organization: Psi INc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.170149.15943@uwm.edu>, roger@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Roger A Burns) writes:
> hi.  I have a question  I hope someone out there can answer for me.
> Does anyone know the number of people aboard the Enterprise - D?
> I know the original carried about 400.  i  figure galaxy class would be well
> into the thousands.  thanx.

1014 to my knowledge.  I'm sure it varies.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: What happened to STMOW????
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:11:47
Organization: CSUA/UCB
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Haven't seen any installments of this story in a long time!
Has the author given up???
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: eric@wdl35.wdl.loral.com (Eric Kuhnen)
Subject: Re: The _Enterprise_ Encounter 
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Distribution: alt.startrek.creative
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:32:44 GMT

I'm reminded of some words I once read from an author who had received
(or written, I can't remember) a number of critiques:

"Your work is both original and good.  But that which is good is not 
original, and that which is original is not good."  You may not have intended
it, but your story is appears to me to be a basic men/women issue.  Kirk
is the arrogant male hero; Tanaka is two-fisted female Commander.  You set
up the obvious conflict: Kirk tried to pick her up.  In this story, it 
appears to me that that indescretion was the reason for mild insubordination,
if not a direct violation of orders.  From there the story became a series
of predictable events in which the hapless Cmdr. Tanaka tried to assert her
superiority over the wily Adm. Kirk.  She even takes a perverse pleasure at
the thought that Adm. Kirk will be ruined for his mistake with Khan.  Your
Commander Tanaka is not rowing with both oars in the water.

"Q"
-- 
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Comments and criticism are welcome.  Flames to /dev/null.  "Get a life"
drivel to /dev/mirror.
From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: * T`SELAR - WOW MAN!!! *
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:22:52 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

dchristo@elephant.axion.bt.co.uk (David Christoffersen) writes:


>I`ve just finished reading the mega TSELAR story, like many others,
>I can`t wait for another story from the most excellent writer Pat Parker
>- Pat, what`s next?????

>Wow!

>Dave (who thought the TSELAR story better than the TNG vs STARWARS one)

This most excellent writer is a not-so-most-excellent Calculus III student
and my current story, called _Another Dream_ is coming along fairly slowly.

A bit of a teaser, though:

_Another Dream_ deals with a couple of new characters on a new ship.  It also
deals with everyone's favourite Romulan, Engineer R'annec.  Should be an
interesting tale, if I can ever figure out what the hell a Taylor Series has
to do with the universe in general.

Pat (who is reeling from the compliment)



________________________________________________________________________
pat parker
mississippi state university
plp1@ra.msstate.edu
________________________________________________________________________
"They're not leeches, they're scientologists!"
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Pat ParkerBoy, Mr. Carey, you really blasted Pat Parker's writing out
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 14:02:44 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

of the water.  Were you on the debate team in high school?  That's
sarcasm, by the way.
     First off, I haven't read "Cruel Mercy" so I can't comment on
that, but I did read "Selar" and enjoyed it.  Mr. Parker brought up
a couple of interesting points about what happens to female Vulcans
when *they* experience Pon Far, and how it would affect Romulans as
well.  How do we know that Spock's betrothed didn't lose control like
that?  It might explain her behaviour, having to wait on Spock as she
did.  Mr. Parker's writing opens up several possibilites.
     Finally: if you're going to flame somebodies writing, try to have
a little respect for all their hard work by criticizing with somthing
more intelligent than "That sucked!".
 
                                         Jim
 
=========================================================================
"I have somthing to say: It's better to burn out than to fade away!"
"There can be only one!"                     HIGHLANDER
=========================================================================
From: davidl@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: TNG Uniforms
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:18:44 GMT


	Hello.
		I just recieved word that a company is now selling what I
		believe to be the best TNG Season III & IV uniforms around...


		and for a good price too....as well as the grey sweater and
		suede leather jacket that Picard now wears from time to time
		like in the episode: "Darmok"


		The grey sweater and suede jacket are sold for $250
		(but each can be sold separately)


		The TNG uniform, with the zipper on the back (not those just
		cheap 't-shirt' type quality ones that many people have...with
		no zippers or anything---really cheap) are for a limited time:
		$65 !!!! THEY ARE NOT THE ONES SOLD AT MOST Conventions or other
		companies.....


		The company that has this AND OTHER star trek stuff (t-shirts,
		phasers, tricorders, and still more t-shirts, and etc.) is:


			Main Street Collectables
			P.O. Box 750
			Nanuet, New York, 10954
			(914) 352-6765

		-Ask for Pamela...to get to a FREE catalog and let her know
		where you got this from, and she will treat you real nicely.
		If not, just let them know that you got this info. from
		USENET, and they just might treat you 'specially.'


Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: weed@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: battle stories needed.  Thanks!
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:06:06 EDT

As I noted at the beginning of chapter 19 of my continuation of Romulan Dawn,
Neale Davidson's first story which uses many of the characters which appear in
his "Morals of War", I am beginning to develop a new story.  This story will
include Worf, as captain of a joint Klingon-Federation "project vessel", which
will be a total warship using the best technology available to both allies.  I
would appreciate *any* and *all* stories which have been written which use
TNG-era (not later) technology, and have the Enterprise in "tactical" or
"strategic" combat situations.  I need to see how others have dealt with this
problem, as the last few chapters of Romulan Dawn: Part II: seem not to have
gone over as well as the first ones did.
Thanks.
Matt
From: lita@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Lisa Helene Helfman)
Subject: Volunteers NEEDED for STAR TREK EXHIBIT at NASM
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:53:59 GMT

STAR TREK FANS:  The Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum is  
looking for dedicated volunteers to staff its very popular STAR TREK  
Exhibition.  Anyone 16 years and older can become a volunteer for the  
Smithsonian.  The next orientation for volunteers will be held THURSDAY,  
JULY 30, at 6:00 p.m. at the National Air and Space Museum, Sixth Street  
and Independence Avenue, SW, Washington, DC.  The museum is located one  
block from the L'Enfant Plaza Metro Station.  For additional information  
call (202) 786-2110.


	--responsibilities involve working with many visitor to this 	 
	exhibition, distributing and collecting passes, dispensing 	 
	information.

	--suggested commitment of two 4-hour shifts each month.

	--workday breaks down into three shifts, the first one beginning  
	at 9:00am, the last shift ending at 7:00pm.

	--in the evening, with plenty of daylight remaining, its a short,  
	safe walk from the Museum to the Metro station.

	--especially need staff Monday through Friday.

	--an ideal family activity.  Many of the volunters are parents 	 
	working together with their teenage children. 

	--an appreciation of the television show "Star Trek" is certainly  
	not a requirement in order to enjoy volunteering for this 	 
	exhibition.
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Friday, 24 Jul 1992 11:47:26 CET
From: <AHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: enterprise
 <1992Jul22.165255.1@zeus.unomaha.edu>

I seem to remember that Tasha Yar said (in "Yesterdays Enterprise") that the
big-E could carry up to 7,000 troops. Of course that may have been under war
conditions.

ARH
From: v128juxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SCHUYJUANNAH)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: 92 ST:TNG Cliffhanger
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:40:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY@Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <5789@ucru2.ucr.edu>, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes...
>Yes, I know that this is a very late post, and probably has already been
>discussed, but does anyone have any ideas what is in store for the
>conclusion?

That Mark Twain character look'd kinda suspicious, as the camera look'd at him
funny. He might be one of those alien thingies.

Tia aka I hope you're speaking of Time's Arrow.....blush me if you're not   :)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: jo@zeus.unomaha.edu
Subject: Re: enterprise
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.170149.15943@uwm.edu>, roger@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Roger A Burns) writes:
> hi.  I have a question  I hope someone out there can answer for me.
> Does anyone know the number of people aboard the Enterprise - D?
> I know the original carried about 400.  i  figure galaxy class would be well
> into the thousands.  thanx.
> 
	To answer, the Enterprise D normally carries a full crew complement of
1,013 members (From the episode "Remember Me", Picard told Dr. Crusher that the
total was 1,014, but that included her friend).  In the Tech Manual, the ship
can carry up to 5,000 non-crew personnel for missions if necessary.
						"Engage."
						Jeffrey Jo

Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher)
Subject: Re: Pat Parker
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:58:21 GMT

Calming down, calming down.  I have apologized (I hope suitably) to Chris for
the awful things I said about him.  And I suppose his girlfiend knows what she
is doing. :-)

I guess I got carried away.  This flaming business is new and exciting to me.

Now on another subject, anybody up for a road trip to MSU to beat Pat?

Marnita
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: dchristo@elephant.axion.bt.co.uk (David Christoffersen)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: * T`SELAR - WOW MAN!!! *
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: dchristo@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK


I`ve just finished reading the mega TSELAR story, like many others,
I can`t wait for another story from the most excellent writer Pat Parker
- Pat, what`s next?????


Wow!


Dave (who thought the TSELAR story better than the TNG vs STARWARS one)



Dave "The Rave" Christoffersen          Email: dchristo@elephant.axion.bt.co.uk

BT Laboratories Martlesham Heath        "We're on an express elevator to
IPSWICH UK                               hell goin' down!" - Hudson, Aliens 
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: blm28@cas.org (;A/GG)
Subject: Re: TNG's final ending
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:32:55 GMT



     Hi, I am not sure if this question has been asked yet
     or even mentioned. But here it goes...

     On the season ending of startrek TNG, was it supposed
     to be continued as a start for the next starting seasion
     of this year? Or did I just miss out on something?


     Thank's all,

     Becky
From: cshuy@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christina Cheng Ann Shuy)
Subject: ST:mow  What happened?
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:16:15 GMT

I have been very interested in the story Star Trek: the Morals of War
but I haven't seen any new parts to it.  What happened?  Have they been
posted or did I miss something?

-- 
Christina Shuy-CalPoly San Luis Obispo.
"Five to one against and falling...four to one against and falling...three to
one...two..one...probability factor of one to one...we have normality, I repeat
we have normality.  Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own
From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Pat Parker
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:31:51 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:

>Calming down, calming down.  I have apologized (I hope suitably) to Chris for
>the awful things I said about him.  And I suppose his girlfiend knows what she
>is doing. :-)

Apology accepted.  I am the one who should apologize, along with Pat for
starting the whole thing.

>I guess I got carried away.  This flaming business is new and exciting to me.

>Now on another subject, anybody up for a road trip to MSU to beat Pat?

If you need directions to get here, mail me and I'll be glad to send 'em to
you!!!!

Chris Carey
--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.
From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Request: Star Trek vs. Battlestar Galactica
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:50:43 GMT
Organization: A Planet Of His Own

Help!

About two years ago, a "Star Trek vs. Battlestar Galactica" was posted on
the net. I think it was a three parter.

Can anyone send this to me? I've lost mine; I could also ftp the stories
if I knew where.

						- greg
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: STTNG RPG opinions wanted...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:42:18 GMT

I will be soon starting up my role playing game on a local Fidonet
board, and was wondering if anyone had comments or suggestions as to
how I might handle the following, if it were to occur:  

Since I would prefer to have the characters based on ships other than
the Enterprise, Intrepid, Goddard, and such, for example smaller
starfleet vessels, I have a database of ships with their callsigns
and details amassed.  Not every player will be so lucky as to be
stationed aboard a galaxy-class starship!  Let's say I use the ship
USS Sample, NCC-1234, from one of the latest paperback novels.  After
some weeks of play, a TV episode comes out, and the USS Sample is
described as NCC-2003.

Although I want to keep gameplay consistent, I also consider the
TV program "canon".  How do I explain this, or work this into the
game?  I would like to maintain a good standard for the players so
that they don't have to worry about learning "nonstandard" facts,
since most (all?) watch ST:TNG.  Do I dream up a sudden decision from
Star Fleet to change the callsign to fool enemy intelligence, or do
I ignore the ST:TNG callsign?

This problem also carries to other "facts", not just starship callsigns.
Any comments would be welcome.

P.S. -- anyone know of a good ST:TNG role-playing game commercially
available???

-- 
                                   _________                     _________
P*.*                              |         |      __/^\__      |         |
                                  |         |      \     /      |         |
         Peter Goudswaard         |         |   _/\_\   /_/\_   |         |
         goudswaa@sfu.ca          |         |   >           <   |         |
         pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca       |         |    >_________<    |         |
                                  |_________|         |         |_________|

         Or if you feel really lucky:  peterg@quesnel.education.gov.bc.ca
From: dchristo@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (David Christoffersen)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Request for Romulan Dawn
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: dchristo@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs

From article <BrsqHw.GGz@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>,
by mchoi@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Millan Gunzy Choi):

> Hi out there in Trekland, another reuqest I know, but I missed part 18, and 19
> of Romulan Dawn, and was wondering if someonel out there could e-mail them to
> me at mchoi@descartes.waterloo.edu, I have parts 1-17, so if you want the 
> whole set, I will e-mail what I have to you.
> Thanx gunzy


Any chance of reposting parts 1-17 (indeed 18 & 19 if ya get them) to
the net gunzy? I'm sure there are other peeps that are dying to
get all the parts to this story apart from me...


Cheers,


Dave



Dave "The Rave" Christoffersen          Email: dchristo@elephant.axion.bt.co.uk

BT Laboratories Martlesham Heath        "We're on an express elevator to
IPSWICH UK                               hell goin' down!" - Hudson, Aliens
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: 92 ST:TNG Cliffhanger
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:37:26 GMT

In article <Bs7KvL.FnC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v128juxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  
(SCHUYJUANNAH) writes:
> That Mark Twain character look'd kinda suspicious, as the camera look'd at  
him
> funny. He might be one of those alien thingies.

That's kind of what I was thinking too.  He seemed to know too much about
the universe, et al.  But Mark Twain was a unique person anyway.  He did 
write a story about time traveling, so it wouldn't be too hard to believe
that he would be having the conversation that he was having with Guinan.
And, considering that he is such a unique person, it wouldn't be too hard
to believe that he would actually believe what Data and Guinan were talking
about.  But....
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: SEASON FINALE
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:49:21 GMT

In article <a63b1639@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au>  
neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard) writes:
> Original to: tim.wilcox
> TW>aliens.  Data has seperated his head from his body in order 
> TW>to allow the rest of the ccrew to return to the future.  (I 
> TW>believe the part that was required for the phasing was 
> TW>inside his head.)  Picard and the others return to the 
Yes, that would explain why only Data's head was found.  However, I would
tend to disagree with your theory (although that is probably what the
writers are going to do) because it was the processor inside Data's head
that was needed for the temporal phase shift, but, as you remember, only Data
could phase shift, meaning that his head had to be with him (sorry if that
is a bit of a run-on sentence).
Furthermore, I think he was building something to do the phase shifting in
the hotel.  Remember when he did his test?  The light was blue, and so too
was the light that was generated by the crew's phase shifter back on the
alien planet.  Thus, perhaps the crew for some reason needed the head in
San Francisco and just sent the body back with only one other person 
(because the phase shifter would probably only be able to work with one 
or two people) and then they reatached the old head...  Of course I haven't
gotten this whole theory worked out yet, but I do agree somewhat with your
theory and I have worked it into a more plausible conclusion.
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Subject: Re: publicity stunt 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:55:19 GMT

asher@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marnita Asher) writes:

>>I guess I got carried away.  This flaming business is new and exciting to me.

and you're quite good at it.

>>Now on another subject, anybody up for a road trip to MSU to beat Pat?
>>Marnita
>sure! ;)    >>this is sandra agreeing<<

hmmmm, beat pat, huh? well now...


>BTW doesn't this seem like a little bit of a "publicity stunt"???? (JUST 
>KIDDING PAT)
hmmmm, hadn't thought of it that way, sandra ;-)
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Is Mark Twain an alien? (was: Re: 92 ST:TNG Cliffhanger)
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:14:26 GMT

> >> funny. He might be one of those alien thingies.
> there was a discussion on this at great length on r.a.s.current. this 
> possibility, however, was never mentioned, regardless of the fact that:
> 	1. in 1893, samuel clemens' hair was not that white yet
> 	2. in 1893, samuel clemens was supposedly living somewhere really
> 	distant from San Fran! (mebbe new england?!?)

hmmmmm, you bring up a couple of interesting points.  Are you implying
that the Mark Twain in the episode was in fact an alien?
I said earlier that I could believe either idea, that Twain was an alien
creature or the real McCoy (not bones, but Samuel).  But to play the
devil's advocate, the two points that you mention should be considered
irrevelent.  Film always tends to portray characters how people envision
them, and Mark Twain is always envision as being a white haired gentlemen.
And, why couldn't Twain have taken a vacation to S.F. in 1893?
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
From: oper04@zeus.unomaha.edu
Subject: Re: enterprise
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:30:52 GMT

In article <92206.114726AHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>, <AHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
> I seem to remember that Tasha Yar said (in "Yesterdays Enterprise") that the
> big-E could carry up to 7,000 troops. Of course that may have been under war
> conditions.
> 
> ARH
Actually, it was about 6,000 and that is the reason because there weren't any
families aboard the ship during the war.
				"Engage."
				JJ