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From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Pt. Datar's Violin Concert tour 
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:57:18 GMT


	 I wonder if we can request Pt. Datar who is currently on a concert tour
in the US to talk about Pt. D.V. Paluskar, whom he accompanied in the early
50's?  If any of us succeeds, a summary of Pt. Datar's reminiscences would 
make for delightful reading.  
	  
 	To those in the NY/NJ/CT area : The eminent vocalist of the 
shaam chauraasi gharana, Ustad Salamat Ali Khan is giving a concert in 
NYC on Sep. 26th, under the auspices of the World Music Institute. Call
WMI (212-545-7536) for details.   
    What does the 'classical music scene' in Pakistan look like these days?
What is the legacy of Roshanara Begum, Salamat/Nazakat Ali, Barkat Ali Khan
and all those great classical musicians there? Does anyone know??
(the two sets of cassettes, "gharanon ki gayaki" and "raag maala" which 
contain a collection of many eminent khayaliya's from Pakistan is really
outstanding!) 

Cheers,
-----------------------  
 Jayant Naik


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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.191259.23387@colorado.edu>, parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep09.154148.6094@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> <deleted>
|> >The Ali Akbar College of Music (AACM) (near San Fransisco) has regular
|> >tabla classes. Many people go there for 2 or 3 week intensive courses.
|>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Is this what Ali Akbar and his college finally come to??:-):-)
|> Packaged courses in Indian Classical Music???
|> 
|> Rajan Parrikar
|> ==============
|> email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu
|> 

People who live in the Bay area can go every day to the AACM but for people
who are outside the Bay area (like the gentleman I was addressing), I
think it is impractical to ask him to leave everything and move to the
Bay area. 2-3 weeks vacation is all that people have, so I'm sure the
courses are designed to fill a need that people have. A friend in Toronto
has been going for the past 15-20 years. Every year he spends his vacation
in the Bay area learning sarod. He is a very good sarod player !

Even when I go to India to learn tabla, I combine all holidays, overtime,
etc. but its still not more than 4-5 weeks. My teacher knows this and he
'packages' his lessons for me accordingly. I know many people who have
learnt this way. What is the alternative for someone who wants to learn ?
If you have any better ideas I'm sure all of us would like to hear them !!
If someone wants to be a full time musician, they can quit everything and
go and learn full time but for those who want to learn as a hobby it is
the only way (especially if there is no one locally to teach them - and even
then there comes a point when you outgrow local teachers and need advanced
lessons).

Hariprasad Chaurasia is teaching a 4 week flute workshop in Amsterdam
this month. Pandit Jasraj has annual 'camps' where his disciples settled
in various parts of India come to Bombay for a few weeks for advanced
lessons. For musicians like HPC and Jasraj who are constantly touring,
these workshops/intensives/'packaged courses' represent a practical way
to teach their students.

Yeah I know you had 2 smileys after your comments, but I just wanted to
point that if you had just thought about it for a minute you would have
realized how practical it is for both the teachers and the students.
From: sivaras@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Sivaramapuram Subramanyam Kris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: SPIC-MACAY chapter!
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:42:03 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Hi netters,

	Is there anyone out there, who knows about the procedures for 
opening a SPIC-MACAY chapter? We at Oregon state univ are very much 
interested in starting a new chapter. You can mail the replies to me.
You can either mail to sivaras@mist.cs.orst.edu or krishna@oce.orst.edu.

thanks
Krishna
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
S S Krishna 

Deptt of Computer Science
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From: sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Reply-To: sdg@wag240.wag.caltech.edu (Siddharth Dasgupta)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.191259.23387@colorado.edu>, parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
> In article <1992Sep09.154148.6094@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> 
> 
> <deleted>
> >The Ali Akbar College of Music (AACM) (near San Fransisco) has regular
> >tabla classes. Many people go there for 2 or 3 week intensive courses.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is this what Ali Akbar and his college finally come to??:-):-)
> Packaged courses in Indian Classical Music???
>
I am a silent reader of this news group and have admired the
postings from Rajan Parrikar and other knowledgeable netters
on classical music. This is not a flame but just an honest
opinion.
I was in a music appreciation class at Caltech offered by Harihar
Rao, Ravi Shankar's student and now director of the Ravi Shankar
Music Circle in LA. He mentioned when Panditji first started
playing in the West, there was quite a firestorm of criticism
that he was diluting the purity of the classical form by adapting
to the conditions of western audiences. The point is debatable,
but he certainly paved the way for a wider appreciation of the
musical form.
In a similar vein I find nothing deplorable if the AACM does
offer 2-3 weeks intensive courses for those of us who have
chosen other vocations and do not have the 5-10 years needed
to master the art. What this may afford the student is a better
appreciation of the music, not an ability to play or sing as
an accomplished artiste. I know even among scientists, engineers
and doctors, there are those who have had classical training
and hence the idea of packaged courses like these can be an
anathema. Those who are not this fortunate but would still like
to cultivate a finer appreciation - would fine value in packaged
courses like this.
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Siddharth Dasgupta (sdg@wag.caltech.edu) (818) 397-2725
Materials & Molecular Simulation Center, Beckman Institute, CALTECH,Pasadena
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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From: kippenj@epas.utoronto.ca (J. Kippen)
Subject: Irshad Khan, Toronto concert
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:13:11 GMT

Irshad Khan, son of Imrat, who recently settled in Toronto, will be
giving a lunchtime recital on surbahar and sitar at 12.10pm in the
Walter Hall, Edward Johnson Building, University of Toronto, on
Thursday October 1, 1992.  I shall be accompanying him on tabla.

Many of you tried contacting Irshad, and others might still like to.
Typically he moved a few days ago.  Right now he can be contacted chez
Lester Frost at (416) 929 3073.  I should warn you he's looking for
his own place to live and may soon move again.  I shall keep you
posted on contact numbers and addresses as and when they are available.

Jim Kippen

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:20:28 -0400 
From: Jyothi Rengarajan <jr55+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mallikarjun Mansur dead??

Yes. It's true. I do not know details but received news from home that
he passed away. Truly a tragedy.

Jyothi
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Subject: Re: Hindi
From: Girish Harshe <GRH6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:29:57 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <18m3e7INNimp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, nxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Noel Cyrill)
says:
>
>I would like to know how I can get some songs that are old songs from certain
>movies.  Also, I would like to know, which movie this song is from,
>     Kabie, na-kabie, kahie, na-kahie, kohie, na-kohie, tho iaa ga.
>Sorry for my poor spelling.  I am not really fluent in writing hindi, but I
>have a small collection of hindi songs, as well as movies (mostly old), and
>therefore I would like to add this movie to my collection.  There is another
>song, to which the movie I do not know.
>    Sagenna, sat-nebhayia; sagenna, sat-nebhayia; sathie merie......
>I will appreciate it if anyone who knows the names of the movies these songs
>are in will write to me and tell me.
>                     P.S.  My e-mail address is nxc4@po.cwru.edu .
>                                                Thanks again,
>                                                Noel
>
>--
>NOEL A. CYRILL             CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY
>11435 JUNIPER ROAD         DEPARTMENT OF UNDERGRADUATE / HISTORY
>CLEVELAND, OH  44106.      (216) 754-2222
>1

  Tch, tch, tch.  Dear friend, before the classical fanatic
watchdogs on this net jump on you, let me politely warn you
about this. Please send your posting to rec.music.indian.misc
and you will be surprised to see the enthusiastic response
you will get (including from me). But on this net soon somebody
will raise hell only because you didn't know where to go for
help.
  Secondly, unfortunately, I don't know the answer to your
questions. However, by mentioning even this, I am afraid
whether I am becoming a party to the mistake you did
unknowingly. -)
 Well, see you on r.m.i.m. Bye.

Girish

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From: noykman%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nathan Dykman)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla Music
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:52:58 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Many thanks to all for your suggestions and the lively discussion!

However, my interest in tabla music is merely an extention of my interest in 
all percussion, particulary that which is related to ethinc music. To add my two cents worth here, I think to truly play tabla would require a religious background as well as a musical background. It seems that all tabla players (good ones at any rate) come from a deep Indi background(I could be wrong!) and that indian music is deeply rooted in the Indi tradition. So for a western to truly understand Tabla would be a heckuva a task. 

But, why not gain experience in playing tabla? I am a drumset player, and that made me appreicate the music of jazz and rock-n-roll (blasphemy, I know) all the more. I think that even trying to play indian instruments (tabla, sitar, flute, etc. ) would increase a person's understanding and apperication of indian music. Can that be bad?

Nathan Dykman.

P.S. Many thanks once again.
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:41:48 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep2.145611.4119@hellgate.utah.edu>, noykman%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nathan Dykman) writes:
|> I am Looking for a wide cross-section of Tabla music recordings which represent
|> the best in Indian tabla playing. Also, any suggestions on how to play the
|> tabla(Don't laugh, I'm trying to find a teacher.) would be helpful. 
|> 
|> 
|> Many thanks,
|> 
|> Nathan Dykman
|> 
|> (noykman@peruvian.utah.edu)

Any recording with Zakir Hussain, Anindo Chatterjee, or Swapan Chaudhary
probably qualifies. Rykodisc has _Venu_ with HP Chaursia (flute) and
Zakir on tabla. Nimbus records, which has lots of Western classical 
music, has 30-40 Indian recordings as well. Check out HP Chaurasia
and Anindo's Raga Lalit, Brij Narayan (sarod) and Zakir, etc.. These
should be available in 'mainstream' music stores. You can also try
mail order from Shrimati's in Berkeley, Neelam Audio in Philadelphia,
and Asmara Compact discs in L.A.. Also, local Indian stores may have
some of the India Today recordings.

The Ali Akbar College of Music (AACM) (near San Fransisco) has regular
tabla classes. Many people go there for 2 or 3 week intensive courses.
Contact the College for details. Local Indian stores may also know of
local tabla players who are giving lessons.
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: 10702830@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RAJIB DATTA)
Subject: notation reqd for indian music
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:37:13 GMT


	I would like to know if Indian music is available in western 
notation. I have been trying for many years to find out if Indian classical  
music or even the latest Hindi pop songs are available on the stave system 
ie., with the G clef and F clef. Unfortunately every time I go to India (
Calcutta) no one is able to help me. Maybe this type of music is available 
in Bombay? Could someone please advise me. Thanks in advance.

Rajib


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From: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
Subject: Re: Ghazal, Rathod
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:21:51 GMT


Really SORRY guys, I tought ghazals are a part of classical music !!??!!

Anyhow,

Zakhir Houssein has played tabla with a Swedish group, does anyone know 
the name of the group ??

THANX.
__________________________________________________________________________
                Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
                      University of Bergen, NORWAY
                         E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
__________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Violin Concert in Cleveland, OH; 10/10/92
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:45:08 GMT

                    MUSIC CIRCLE OF CLEVELAND

                      in collaboration with

                    CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY

                             presents

                       a violin concert by

                        Pandit D. K. DATAR

                      accompanied on tabla by
                         Shree Vijay Ghate

              Saturday, October 10, 1992 at 7:30 p.m.

                   DRINKO Recital Hall, Room 105
                 Music and Communications Building
                    Cleveland State University
                 East 21st Street & Euclid Avenue
                          Cleveland, Ohio

Donations at the door: $12, $6 (students with ID & senior citizens)
Faculty, staff, and students of CSU and current members of the Music Circle
are our guests.

Entrance to covered parking lot on East 21st Street.
===========================================================================

Pt. Datar is currently considered to be one of the leading violinists in
Hindustani music. Initiated into music by his elder brother, Pt. Narayanrao
Datar, he developed his present "gayaki" style under Pt. Vigneshwar Shastri
of the B. R. Deodhar tradition. Pt. D. K. Datar is perhaps best known for
his accompaniment of Pt. D. V. Paluskar on many of his concert tours and
recordings. After successful tours of Japan, UK, and other European nations,
Pt. Datar is currently on his first tour of North America.

These notes are based on an earlier post by Krishna Hegde, kgh@ulysses.att.com.

===========================================================================

Cheers

Amitava
From: raj@phys.ksu.edu (raj)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:24:09 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: piaget.phys.ksu.edu

More on the Ali Akbar School of Music:

I visited the college in San Rafael a couple of years ago. It is a small modest
house in a residential neighbourhood. Reserved parking for Dr. A.A. Khan and 
Swapan Chowdhury - a music store, 2-3 classrooms.  A friend of mine who is a
fabulous young tabla player, Neel Bhatt, visited and chatted with Swapan 
Chowdhury when he was up there.  I know of at least one *good* sitar player
Richard Garneau to come out of there - of course he studied for YEARS! The point
is - this is the U.S.: people, including Indians who love music, don't have the
time to spend umpteen years studying. An appreciation course can go a long way
to helping one enjoy concerts by the Ustads and understand what one is 
listening to at home on tape...

Dr. Harihar Rao is well respected as a sitar teacher in L.A. - the Music Circle
definitely provided me with some of the greatest classical concerts I have 
been to...

Former grad student at UCLA,


S. Raj Chaudhury			|
Dept. of Physics    			|  raj@phys.ksu.edu
Kansas State University			|
Manhattan, KS 66506			|
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S. Raj Chaudhury			|
Dept. of Physics    			|  raj@phys.ksu.edu
Kansas State University			|
Manhattan, KS 66506			|
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
From: divaka@vccsouth29.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Very informative book on Indian Classical Music
Keywords: 
    Many thanks to the netter (whose name I forget) who recommended the
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:25:42 GMT

New Grove Encyclopaedia of Music's section on Indian music. It is about
a hundred pages of wonderful information. I would recommend it to the
expert as well as to the novice. The language is a little pedantic at
times, but the music is presented without any hype or hoopla and with 
a lot of historical and cultural background which I was quite ignorant of.
      Certain traditional assumptions are quite strongly challenged, e.g.
the continuity of the Indian classical music tradition. It says that modern
Indian classical music is the product of mediaeval (sp?) interpretation
and extrapolation of ancient music and bears little resemblance to the
original. I could not help feeling the contrast between this and A.L.Basham
who says that a modern exposition of a Raga is pretty much the same as a
rendition was  2000 years ago. Some aspects ARE pointed out as having been 
essentially unchanged through the ages. The tone is always one of well informed
opinion and never of controversy.
 Another departure from the norm is made
by stating that Vedic chants are not really music and the priests who
chant the Vedas do not consider themselves musicians. Thus there is very
little description of the Saman chants, unlike other books on Indian classical
music.
             There is some wonderfully detailed description of folk music. It
is correctly pointed out that Hindustani and Carnatic music are listened to
by a tiny elite minority. A remarkably upto date description of film music
and its popularity is given! Even modern day ghazals are described as 
(What follows is not an exact quote)
"crooning to the background of violins in which the beginnings of harmony
can be heard" !!!!! I found the deadpan anthropological description of the
music funny at times.
                       Happy reading folks!
                                                        ajay 

        
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From: parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:13:08 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Sep11.163155.20369@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.174239.27151@colorado.edu>, parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar) writes:
>|>  <stuff deleted>
>|>
>|> Be that as it may, I am not an enthusiastic proponent of the
>|> "Learn Sitar in 3 Months" type courses advertised in some Indian
>|> newspapers here. Music appreciation workshops and such like,
>|> however, can lead to, as you've indicated, fun and profit.
>|> 
>|> Rajan Parrikar
>|> ==============
>|> email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu
>|> 
>
>
>The AACM is not suggesting that a student can learn tabla
>or sitar etc. in 3 months. The idea is the student goes there and learns
>something, and gets enough material that he/she can work on and practice
>for a year, until the next workshop. Only by attending (and later practicing
>the material learnt) for many years can the student begin to learn an
>instrument. These are things you continue to learn for you lifetime !
>
>I notice that while you are critical of suggestions made, you have not
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm impressed with your perspicacity. Please indicate where, in
the exchange reproduced below, I've been critical of suggestions made by 
you or anybody else. Au contraire, I liked most of what Siddharth Dasgupta
had to say and said so.

>yet enlightened us with your masterful thoughts on how to solve this 
>person's problem (let me remind you what the original question was):
>someone who is living in an area where there is no local tabla (or
>sitar etc) teacher. They want to learn tabla as a HOBBY. They have a
>full-time occupation, a mortgage to pay, etc.. How can they learn ?
>
>This person was in Utah so I suggested the AACM since geographically
>it is nearby. (I should also point out I suggested they find a local
>teacher if possible). Had they been in Canada, I might have suggested
>contacting Bob Becker, who every year brings Pandit Sharda Sahai
>from Benares to Toronto to teach tabla for 6 weeks. Someone in Scandinavia
>laos asked and I siggested they try learning everytime they went back
>to India. The person in Utah was a non-Indian so I didn't figure he'd
>be going back for visits like most Indians do.
>
>Anyway Rajan, I'd like to hear your suggestions !

Here's one: Learn to live with some humour (even attempted humour!).

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu

ps: Since this has the makings of a flame-fest, this will be my
final posting in this thread.
***********************************************************************
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From: parrikar@csn.org (Rajan Parrikar)
Subject: Re: Looking for Tabla music
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:12:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.154148.6094@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:


<deleted>
>The Ali Akbar College of Music (AACM) (near San Fransisco) has regular
>tabla classes. Many people go there for 2 or 3 week intensive courses.
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this what Ali Akbar and his college finally come to??:-):-)
Packaged courses in Indian Classical Music???

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parrikar@mimicad.colorado.edu



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