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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 25 Sep 92 18:59:36 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep24.171451.1@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.155325.8116@rdg.dec.com>, cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com writes:
> > 
> > Don't forget also, the first, the leading edge of new developments get
> > sacrificed because evryone else knows what they have to beat. Happened with
> > the ST, will happen with the Falcon. Why do you think CBM are committed to
> > DSP support? A low-end AGA machine covers one end of the problem, DSP support
> > (promised early '93) covers the other. The leader is overthrown.
> 
> Well, MOTOROLA are putting out press announcements which advertise the
> Atari Falcon 030 and their 560001. Think of that what you will...

Commodore was mentioned in Motorola '040 advertising more than a year before
we ever shipped an '040 sytem...  8-)
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:49:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
:  But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
: humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

How many do?

:  I know the CPU's supposed to run faster if it isn't delayed by video
: DMA, but is there a working Amiga system where this (speed improvement)
: effect really shows? Can it be achieved on an A500 (without a mother
: board replacement)?

Yes, every amiga system known to man.  For instance, anyone with a 500
can tell you how much faster it feels (and actually gets, there are
benchmarks) when 50%+ of your slots aren't being taken by video accesses.

: when the next-generation Amigas are released. The multiple bus
: technique has been available ever since the Amiga 1000 was released, hasn't
: it?

Yup.  It's quite a difference.

Greg

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:35:19 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

: you don't compile C on it. the 65K maxes out at 65Kwords for each of the three
: address spaces anyhow. 
: 
: Also the recurrent theme in this newsgroup (wishful thinking BTW) that the
: 65K is not a powerful chip, is bullshit. There are obviously better (and much
: more expensive chips) but that chip still cooks. Especially with 30+Mhz!

You're very convincing - unfortunately that ends when you start
talking on the chip inside Falcon - you too ofter say that it's 65k to
claim it to be a typo (it's 56k (or rather 56001), not 65k) - perhaps
you don't know about DSP's as much as you think.

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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A growing dislike for Amiga
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:10:30 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Oct4.184740.4238@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:
> 
> 
>>What a load of crap.  Every day I think I hate this machine more and more.
>>Staring at a word processor, you'd swear that you were looking at CGA
>>text.  Sure they say the amiga has 4096 dazzling colours.. what they don't

	[stuff deleted]

	You shouldn't bash the Amiga because you made a bad choice.
	You should have done your homework first.  Anybody that buys
	an Amiga 2000 for wordprocessing only has made a mistake.

> I agree that Amiga isn't a best choice for word processing.  But there
> is WP 4.1 and I assume that if 4000 sales are strong that Word Perfect
> will release its 5.1 version which they've already ported.
> 
	Is WP Corp. still selling/supporting 4.1?

>                                     NCW
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
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From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:51:33 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>>I see things clearly, orphan all systems before the A4000.
>>Then screw over anyone who doesn't want to do things C='s
>>new way. I hope some happy hardware hacker posts the AGA hidden
>>registers to every net he can find. This would definitely serve
>>Commodore a bit of their own medicine...
>>
>>PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET


>Grow up and think for a minute.  The reason they aren't releasing the specs is
>that they are planning an entirely new chipset within a year to a year and a
>half.. they don't want to get stuck having to support AGA hardware registers
>in this new system.  If no-one knows what they are, then they don't have to
>support them, and it means that they can do a *LOT* more without having to
>worry about backwards compatibility.

>By programming AGA directly, your only biting your own throat.  If enough
>people do it, your biting ALL our throats because C= will then have to rework
>the chips to support all you idiots that couldn't use the OS.

I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Whilest I despise macs (probably because I had to work on a Mac Plus for the
first year of my degree) I am quite envious of the Mac's QuickDraw. Apple
bring out new machines with substantially improved graphics and yet all of the
old applications (at least in the sense of addressing the screen) work 
unaltered. Once the Amiga has a decent RTG system I think you'll see a lot
more low-end video cards springing up as every application written after
the implementation of RTG should work --- that is, unless hacker-head
goobs start directly addressing the various registers in the internal chip
set.



   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia
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From: jwcj@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chen john w.)
Subject: Re: Utilities Unlimited vs NewTek's cottage industry paradigm
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:49:28 GMT


You can do something similar with a program called Iconify that will iconify
any window/program that is resizable.  I use it whenever I download and then iconify my terminal program so I free up desktop space for wordprocessing and 
other tasks.  Never crashed my Amiga once.  BTW, the iconified programs do not take up any cpu time either (and yes, the programs are still running.)

John
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Keywords: moan, gripe, bitch
Date: 26 Sep 92 02:51:24 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:

>HEY COMMODORE, PAY ATTENTION ...

>My opinions for what they are worth...

[la de da, la de de]

I've got an idea, why don't you try mailing to:
	suggestions@cbmvax.commodore.com

(You don't have to stop posting here, but all of you guys with neato keen
ideas should SEND them to commie!)

--

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cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000: My Two Cents Worth
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:06:00 GMT

In article <1amut0INN8cd@uwm.edu>, bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
|> In article <4xpzgxb@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
|> >(Why can't there be any GOILS who tink like I doo?)   8)
|> 
|> There are, silly.  There's literally HUNDREDS of them in London alone.
|> Unfortunately, they're usually sitting over ledges...  big, heavy
|> stone ones with wings and fangs and...  Yup.  Lots of GOYLES there.  :)

<GROAN>

How PUNny that was!    9)

|> >"OOOO.. look.. it's got more colors... not a lot more, but more. And... ooooo,
|> 
|> Eight planes instead of 6/4/2(ecs), out of 25 bits of color data rather than
|> 13.  I'd say it's a BIG improvement.

Weeeeeellll... maybe. I've always been a fan of the "get-the-rez-you-can-dither
-the-colors" mentality. I still render in 16-color HiRes rather than HAM Med-
Res.

|> Greg
|> 
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:45:59 GMT

In article <OA92-901-306p1_8BDE206D@piraya.bad.se> Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>
> PT> The Dell 66 DX2 system is rated at 29.3MIPS by PowerMeter 1.5. Dunno
> PT> about the 040.
>
>The figures I've heard (and most other people as well, I guess) is that a
>25MHz i486 manages 'bout 15 MIPS, and the '040 weighs in at 20 powerful MIPS,
>also running at 25 MHz, therefore being about 25% faster than the i486.
>NOW: one just can't compare MIPS from different CPU architectures, so it's
>much better to run some sort of dhrystone speed tester on each platform you
>want to compare.

Yes, MIPS doesn't mean a whole unless the computer does what you want it
to do, which usually means running the software you want.

I must clarify though the the i486/25Mhz runs at 23Mhz internally
as well as 25Mhz externally.  The 040/25Mhz runs at *50*Mhz
internally and at 25 Mhz externally.  Therefore, this comparison
really isn't vaild (whatever _that_ means :-)  ).  

The i486DX2/50Mhz runs at 50Mhz in/25Mhz out like the 040.  And no,
I do not know at what 'MIPS' it is, or how the performance really changes.
>
>
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From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:41:19 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Oct1.023444.14754@msi.com>, bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Sep28.201732.19672@msi.com>, bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>: |> We don't have to.  The PC clone makers have become innovative and made it
>: |> so a system can be upgraded by just replacing the CPU card or just adding
>: |> a CPU to a special motherboard socket.
>: 
>: WOW! A "CPU slot"!!! Geez, what a great idea! Why didn't Jay and R.J. think of
>: that one??? You PC guys have all the luck.
>
><Sigh>.  The _special_ motherboard socket is designed to take ANOTHER CPU
>in addition to the one already in the system when you get it.  When the
>_special_ motherboard socket is filled with a faster CPU, the system gets
>faster.
>
So are you saying that when I put that GVP 4001 500MHz accellerator w/ the
6 zillion megabyte HD in my 2000's CPU slot it's not gonna go faster...

yea right.

Jim Martin
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (9/19/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Sep 92 04:04:12 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <u894776.717116548@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>
> >In <u894776.717036290@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
> >>	Ha ha... show me how to do plasma copper lists using the operating
> >>system calls.  Depending on what you are trying to do, going through the
> >>operating system can cause slowdowns of an order of magnitude.
>
> >Send me a "plasma copper list" and I show it on a screen.
>
> No need... the way I see it - its not legal to make a copper list with
> CMOVE, CWAIT and so forth... and then find poke into this copper list.  This
> means every frame you must regenerate the whole copper list - for the plasma
> effect - you sure the OS doesnt slow this down?
>

It doesn't need to be done with a copper list.  The much talked about
unreal demo proved it.

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From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Gary.C)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Upgrade 2000 or to 4000
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I already have a B2000 with the following specification:

	(1) 1.2 Kickstart
        (2) 20  Mega/Byte Hard disk.
        (3) CPU standard 68000

I have looked at upgrading the above machine to the following

     	(1) GVP G-Force 030 50Mhz Combo -50Mhz 68030
            50Mhz 68882, 8 Mega/Byte ram SCSI controler

    	(2) 120 Mega/Byte hard disk.
	(3) 2.04 Kickstart + Workbench to suit.
        (4) DCTV
        (5) MegaChip 2000 2Meg Agnus

The main use of my machine is running Read3D, creating raytraced
animations. ie Rendering. What I want to know is (1) does anyone
have any comments on the above upgrade. (2) Would I be better to
upgrade  to a 040  board. (3) or  would I do better to sell  the 
B2000 and buy a Amiga 4000. If so does anyone know the price of
an Amiga 4000 + Appropriate monitor in the UK I have heard about
2500 pounds.


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From: etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPEC
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:42:47 GMT

Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

>>  My overall feeling is that a company like Atari with so many good
>> gaming systems behind it, should concentrate on games machines now
>> and forget about the home-PC market.
>>
>>  Anders Skelander

>But of course you know that "Atari GAMES" and "Atari COMPUTERS" are
>two totaly SEPARATE companies?  If the Atari that makes computers
>stoped making computers they wouldnt have anything left.  Atari games
>is still a profitable company doing well.  Its not owned or managed
>by the Tramiels, either.  Warner owned Atari, but when they saw that
>the home computer division was losing money, they sold it to Tramiel,
>spliting Atari into two different companies.

 Yes, I know the difference between Atari Games and Atari Corp. But 
I had the Atari VCS, the 800/XL/XE computers, the 7800, and the
Lynx in mind. The ST computer are worth mentioning since it 
brought the home user fast flight sims etc at a reasonable price
back in 1986.

 Anders Skelander
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 1992 07:01:00 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

Eek.  A 68000 processor-slot on an 030 system.

Well, I've lost count.  First, there was the selection of the
processor direct slot itself rather than a true expansion bus.  Next
came the decision to stick everything on the same bus, losing quite a
bit of speed for the 68030 in the process.  And now this.  Guess I'll
be keeping a list...

Anything else?

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:59:55 GMT

In <SUOPANKI.92Oct2184636@zombie.oulu.fi> suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki) writes:
>allowed me to do that. I tested the same card in my new 386 and
>I noticed it was less than 10% slower in 8-bit than 16-bit. 

Which of course tells us what ? That the card is indeed an 8bit
card and that the 386 runs slightly faster bus cycles.

Regards,
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From: Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Anti-MS-DOS T_Shirts
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 09:10:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I was wondering who might be interested
in ordering some "Friends don't let friends use MS-DOS
T-Shirts".  I am in the mood for spreading the word, and I can probably
get the silk-screen printed shirts for a marginal price.  I need 24
for an order, so if anyone is interested, please send replies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:46:36 GMT


chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>Hmm.. Let's see you put an AT 16 bit graphics or sound card into an XT
>machine, what?  You have to upgrade your motherboard to do it?

You had never used a 16 bit VGA card in an XT when you wrote that,
right?

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Mouthing off like this without knowing the facts doesn't help your
>credibility any.  Most 16-bit VGA cards work just fine in 8-bit XT slots.
>That's right, the extension part of the card edge connector just sort of
>hangs there, but it works.

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
> *SOME* do, at an incredible speed hit. If you think SVGA is slow in an AT
> environment, it's practically useless in an XT one.  I also might point out
> that only standard VGA is usable on an XT.

I see you have now become an expert. How many VGA cards and XT's did 
you test between the two posts?

I used a VGA card in my old XT, 800x600 wasn't a problem at all, I
would have probably used even better resolutions if my monitor had
allowed me to do that. I tested the same card in my new 386 and
I noticed it was less than 10% slower in 8-bit than 16-bit. 

-Heikki

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A: It's the ultimate source of PC disinformation.
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Keywords: moan, gripe, bitch
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:37:08 GMT

In <4pgz0+g@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>YES! Bloody hell, Y-E-S!!!! Don't stop selling the A600, but put at LEAST a 
>68020 into it. And stop selling that stupid no-hard-drive option. Computers just
>don't COST $400 anymore.

I'm not sure if that isn't actually the case. C= might sell A600s without
HD to the dealers but since I see lots of A600s sold with quite different
HDs (ranging from 30MB to 80MB) I think that dealers just add their own
drive so the HD-less A600 is still a good option.

Regards,
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From: etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:13:06 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>:  But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
>: humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

>How many do?

 When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       

>:  I know the CPU's supposed to run faster if it isn't delayed by video
>: DMA, but is there a working Amiga system where this (speed improvement)
>: effect really shows? Can it be achieved on an A500 (without a mother
>: board replacement)?

>Yes, every amiga system known to man.  For instance, anyone with a 500
>can tell you how much faster it feels (and actually gets, there are
>benchmarks) when 50%+ of your slots aren't being taken by video accesses.

>: when the next-generation Amigas are released. The multiple bus
>: technique has been available ever since the Amiga 1000 was released, hasn't
>: it?

>Yup.  It's quite a difference.

>Greg

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