From: plarimer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (         )
Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:20:34 GMT

In <93020.190448RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>-The rest, though, are the beliefs I have which I connect in some sense
>-with being a feminist:
>-
>-1.  Awareness of date rape should be raised among college students (my
>-    age group).

    This is an issue that any socialy concernd person would agree with,
    not just a feminist, and not just a female.

>-2.  Abortion is morally wrong, and should be illegal except in the case
>-    when the life of the woman is in danger... etc etc disclaimer etc
>-    etc more disclaimer...rape...incest..etc.
      
       I wont touch this one, since I'm a man and believ I have no
       right to even suggest what is propper for a female to do 
       her body.

>-3.  If birth control fails, both the man and the woman should be stuck
>-    with supporting the child, or else must agree to put the child up
>-    for adoption.

>-4.  Educational establishments are still in various ways preventing or
>-    discouraging women from reaching their full potential in such areas
>-    as engineering, math etc.  Female role models would play an important
>-    part in overcoming this.
    
       3&4 are also issues that span across gender to being socialy concerned

>-5.  Censorship of pornography is OK.  (Note: here take pornography to mean
>-    sexual material which *I* think is degrading to men or women.  If some-
>-    one is in doubt as to whether or not something is pornography, they
>-    can just ask me! :)
      
      You hit the head of the nail there, Degrading is differnt word
      to differnt people, hard one to ever get a consensus on. but its
      also another socialy concernd person issue

>-6.  Affirmative action is OK.

      Well in the current scheme of the world I would agree, but then again
      another.......you know.

>-7.  Sexual harrassment of men or women is bad.  Men and women have a respon-
>-    sibility to learn about what the other gender (or anyone) might
>-    consider harassing, and to respect this.
>-8.  Men and women make equally good parents,and equally good employees.
>-9.  Jokes putting women down are sexist.  Jokes putting men down are funny.
>-    (This is terrible, I know, and I feel guilty.  I know
>-    its wrong but... but... well, I'm working on it.  Q:  How many
>-    feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?  A:  Thats not funny.)
>-10. Men and women should be paid the same for doing the same job.
>-11. Jobs
>-    that have traditionally been done by women are underpaid (like nursing).
>-12. Women should be drafted as well, where a draft exists.
>-13. There is an epidemic of male violence against women.
>-14. It would be great to have a female Prime Minister of Canada!

      7-14 all of these also fall under being socialy concernd.

Well I agree with everything you wrote in most part, but because
of my gender I cant realy be called a feminist (Can I??).  So 
maybe your not a feminist either, unless I'm missing something
you seam like Socialy concernd person that holds many beliefs 
that I myself do, or do I not tottaly understand the word feminist?


-Preston




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