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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Re: Body Stars
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.110824.5751@icd.ab.com>, reh@odin.icd.ab.com (Scrap Iron Hodge (Steve DiSalvo?)) asks...

BH:   Anyone seen the WBF show yet? Could we get descriptions and/or
BH: reviews?  (If not, I'll try to remember to get it on tape this
BH: week and do a short review.)
BH: --
BH: ++++  Bob Hodge 

v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) replies
in article <1992Apr14.155229.27625@acsu.buffalo.edu>:

E:   I did get a chance to see some of it this past weekend.  There are six ways
E: to describe this show. One is a "B", another is an "O", and the last four are
E: "R","I", "N", and "G". You can hear Vince talk about healthy cooking, workout
E: techniques, and "Getting ripped" (bodybuilding, not drunkeness).  It's really
E: just a bunch of two-minute skits in which WBF stars talk about fitness.  The
E: only interesting thing was that Lex was on.  At least twice, he walked out in
E: front of the camera while Vince was talking completely unannounced and said
E: "You Gotta WANT it!" right into the camera.  Very strange.  Very stupid.
E:                                                     -Eflow

If you're not into weightlifting or bodybuilding, then yes,
the show will probably not appeal to you. However, being a person
who enjoys weightlifting, I found the segments on the various exercises
for different parts of the body (this past Sat - shoulders and legs)
to be done well and informative. The interviews with the Stars were decent.

I did find it amusing that some of the advice given was
"don't swing your body to help lift the weight" and there was
Vince rocking back and forth while doing his exercises.
Obviously he wasn't paying attention to his Stars.

Lex was a waste of time as he did not contribute anything *useful*
to the show.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Hellwig/Von Erich
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:55:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


  I did not see Wrestlemania, however I would say that you can easily confuse
Mr. Helwig and Kerry Von Erich.  When I watched the fourth Survivoer Series,
with Warrior and Von Erich on the same team, if you played it in fast forward
you couldn't tel them apart.

  Just have someone fgo back and look at their tape of Wrestlemania and pause
it a few times.  Even dejuiced, the old UW shouldn't look that different.

                                                   Fippster 6
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From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Subject: Re: More Wrestlemania Comments
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3  
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Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
Distribution:  world
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.184337.6050@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes...
>In article <1992Apr8.223053.12668@physics.ucla.edu>, price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price) writes:
> 
>> What a lot of people in this newsgroup don't understand, I think, is how 
>> marks (at least *smart* marks) watch wrestling.  
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  This is an oxymoron.

Interesting that you touch upon this.  I harken back to years past, when
the Observer would feature a letter from someone in the business (you
know, Name Withheld By Request?).  Usually, and I don't know if it was
the same person or multliple people with the same idea, the term "smart
mark" would arise in these letters, presumably to define the sheet
reader (read: they're really marks, but ones who have been smartened up
by reading a sheet).  Of course, this is ridiculous, but I guess it
justifies the position of the person in the business (read: I'm much
superior than you are, because I'm here and you're not).  The terms
"smart" and "mark" are supposed to be diametrical opposites, and to
suggest that there is a half-way point by combining the two terms
together is pretty ridiculous.  But then again, there is another term
that has been used, that called "mutant."  This implies someone who
thinks they know about the business, but really hasn't Clue One [tm]. 
Best example of that on here would be Philip Stromer;  most of the RIME 
folks would qualify here too.  "Mutant" does have some differences from 
"smart mark," but if you must use this terminology, it makes more sense 
than to contradict yourself with "smart mark."

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Lex Luger Will Wrestle at SummerSlam '92
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   I recently ran into some "inside" information concerning Lex Luger and his
entry into the WBF.  Remember, you heard it here first.  Here is what I have
learned so far:

  * Vince had Luger signed in January.  Originally, Lex had a contract with 
WCW that forbade him to wrestle anywhere else until Jan. 1, 1993.  Vince was
allowed to buy Lex out of his contract so long as Luger agreed to do the job
for Sting on Feb. 29 at SuperBrawl II, because Luger had refused to continue
working for WCW.  This is why Luger did not make a single appearance in the
weeks before SuperBrawl.  Apparently Vince paid WCW's asking price for a buyout.
This was a good move since Lex had no intenton of continuing with WCW anyway.
Contrary to what has been said on RSPW in the past, Lex does NOT dislike
wrestling.  He simply disliked wrestling for WCW.

   *  Luger is free to wrestle in the WWF and will do so starting in May or
early June.

   *  Luger has been training for the past four months (and though unconfirmed
I would think doing roids as well) to bulk up for the WBF angle.

   *  At the WBF Championships coming up (the one Lex has been pushing in all
of his interview spots) Luger will be in the actual competition (which is 
completely booked, inidentally) and will be very arrogant and condescending,
angering the other contestants and the crowd.  There will be a face WWF 
wrestler in attendance who will come up on stage during Lex's routine who will
confront him and challenge him to a wrestling match.  The two may even brawl
on stage.  Apparently Vince hasn't figured out who this man will be just yet.

   *  The man who interferes with Lex's routine at the WBF Championships will
wrestle Lex at SummerSlam '92, and a feud will ensue.

   This is not conjecture, it is fact.  Larry Pfohl went to high school in 
Orchard Park, NY (where I happen to reside) and I learned these things from an
unimpeachable source in the area.  I will try to find out who Lex will be 
feuding with, and also whether he will be pushed as strictly a bodybuilder
turned wrestler, or if the fact that he has wrestled in the past will be 
mentioned in any context.
   Remember, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST....
                                            -Eflow
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Questions, Questions, Questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>(Coleman Brumley Jr.) writes...

>what is the WWF's plans for Chris Walker?  He's not being pushed very hard,
> 
>Coleman

   Funniest thing is, tonight on Prime Time on USA network, Chris Walker (still
sans a gimmick--usually bad news for getting pushed in the WWF) actually battled
Skinner to a double count-out.  Now, I know Skinner is no Flair or even Sid, and
he's completely de-pushed, but that's gotta be a step in the right direction for
Walker.  Still, most other guys who have shown up on Prime Time beating jobbers
but never appeared on WWF syndies (like Steve Regal, Shane Douglas, etc.) never
get much of any push at all.  I'd say Walker, despite the limited success 
against Skinner, will never rise any higher than he is right now in the WWF.
If McMahon was impressed with him he would have gone somewhere by now.  Only
UW has survived the "Prime Time Curse" (TM) in the past.
                                           -Eflow
From: onder@ISI.EDU (Bruce Onder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What is a mark ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:26:11 GMT
	<1992Apr8.223053.12668@physics.ucla.edu>
	<1992Apr12.184337.6050@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
	<1992Apr14.175729.21678@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 14 Apr 92 17:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.175729.21678@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH) writes:

>      O.k.  With everybody calling each other "mark" I want to 
>      know what this means.

A mark is merely someone who falls for the gag.  In this case,
professional wrestling (ie, belieiving it's real).

>John Price admits to being a mark.

John Price also admits to attending UCLA in some unsavory capacity.  I
wouldn't take his word too seriously.

>      I was called a mark for predicting that Savage would take
>      the belt.

I would have merely called you perceptive.  Flair just doesn't really
go over well in the WWF.  I think he'd prefer to head back to Atlanta
where his real fans are.

>Herb wrote that "smart mark" is an oxymoron.

Herb is a smart guy, despite the fact that he hangs around with one
"Fluffy the Wonder Bunny."

>      I would wager that John Price _is_ smart and that he doesn't
>      fit the accepted definition of "mark".  

Don't let the backwards-baseball cap and occasional outbursts of
"Sha-zam!" or "Gol-lee!" fool you -- John Price knows lots.

>Neither do I.

No, unless you think it's real.  Or care that it's not real.

>      Yet, the stupid mark (me) called Savage-Flair while the
>      so-called "real fan" or "r.s.p-w.expert" (Herb) blew
>      it big time (along with all the other "smart" readers
>      of this group).

Herb has lots on insider contacts that usually puts him in the know.
Sometimes the grapevine is just plumb wrong.

>I doubt that there are _any_ marks reading
>this newsgroup so why don't you find a new insult to hurl
>at one another instead of this incessant chant of "mark".

Hey, don't take it so personally.  If we didn't get to call each other
"mark," we'd have absolutely no life.  We are wrestling fans, you
know...

{Add smileys to taste}

Bruce
back in black
--
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		      Any day, any day, any day
From: becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WM8: Savage - Flair a shoot?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:48:49 GMT
Organization: UB

hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes:

[description of Kitao/Earthquake II deleted]

>They cut the TV airing of the match here, but of course, Kitao would
>go on to grab the microphone and say that he didn't want to be part
>of Tenta's "fake" wrestling.  He would be fired (or quit, depending
>on who you believe) from SWS the next day.

To my knowledge, this is the only time that a wrestler has acknowledged
that wrestling is staged during a card. Does anyone else know if there 
have been other similar instances?

--Don

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From: daw5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Vertigo)
Subject: Re: Quiz #2( NWA)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:23:15 GMT


  The absolute best was when Champion broke his arm and had a
little metal-thingee on the cast like it was some futuristic
wayof healing fractures.


					Dave

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From: ckennedy@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WCW Saturday Night wasRe: WCW: Jim Ross Show
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.144012.10929
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Apr13.113826.20613@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:
>
>The show to air April 25th will feature Bill Froelich as the guest and
>Windham/Austin for the TV title, best 2/3 falls.
>
>The show to air May 2nd will feature Jason Hervey as the guest and Big
>Josh/Arn Anderson, best 2/3 falls.  Yes, Ross identified Hervey as
>Missy's boyfriend.

I like the idea of 2/3 falls for titles but in general I think that 2/3 falls
in regular matches is pretty boring.  I mean the WCW has 6 major titles it
would seem that they could do some type of schedule where the TV title was 
defended every 2-3 weeks, hopefully with some movement of the title around,
the US tag every 3-4 weeks, the NA title and World tags 4-6 weeks and the world
title every 2-3 months.  A system like this would allow for movement of titles
when necessary, setting up and resolving feuds, and increased heat for non 
impressive titles but best of all we wouldn't be as likely to shut off the 
last hour of the show which I plan on doing for Big Jerk/Arn Anderson.

Chris
 
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: [WWF] Savage to drop title at May SNME
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Reply-To: jewell@Data-IO.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:02:17 GMT

In article <9204062245.AA29644@tyrell.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
#
#I forget when the four "sweeps" months are, but I know they're three months
#apart, so just add three to whenever the last month was.

The "sweeps" months are the second month of each quarter, eg
	February
	May
	August
	November

#My guess is that (since Fox seemed pleased with the ratings  from the first
#WWF/Fox SNME) they will have Flair win the title back on a  SNME during the
#next sweeps month (much like Andre beating Hogan on SNME).

A likely possibility. It all depends on where Vince wants to take
the Whiff. It also depends on how much interest Vince can generate
via the normal channels (syndies, Prime Time, etc.). My guess is
that Vince will need to "stir the pot" to generate the heat for a
Hogan-less Summer Slam.


On a somewhat unrelated note: Does anybody get the feeling that the
Whiff is in a holding pattern until Luger arrives?

-- 
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 jewell@Data-IO.COM                &
 ...!uunet!pilchuck!jewell     James Hellwig (or is it Del Wilkes? :-)
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Quiz #2( NWA)
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>While the New Breed did do some nice high-flying moves, they were never
>as good as the Stan Lane Midnight Express, although they MIGHT have been
>as good as the Dennis Condrey express. I don't know though, if that wasn't
>the stupidest gimmick ever outside of the Gobdelygooker [they were from the
>year 2002, right?]....

>Bill


    Well, yes.  That was a completely lame gimmick.  It was a case where the
gimmick hurt rather than helped.  But there is a case to be made that New Breed
could have been an all-time great team.  I would never pan the Midnight Express
and certainly not the Stan Lane version.  But when New Breed wrestled, you said
to yourself "Will somebody tell these guys they aren't supposed to be hitting
their opponents FOR REAL?"  The Midnight Express was great, but don't discount
New Breed just because of the Midnights' profoundly more impressive experience
and reputation.  If there was no car accident, and the Breed continued on as
they started, they would be remembered in the same class as the Midnights.
                                    That's just my humble opinion,
                                                     -Eflow
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From: reh@odin.icd.ab.com (Scrap Iron Hodge (Steve DiSalvo?))
Subject: Re: Lex Luger Will Wrestle at SummerSlam '92
Organization: Throw everything in a manila folder and forget it
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.051324.17689@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>   [...]
>   *  At the WBF Championships coming up (the one Lex has been pushing in all
>of his interview spots) Luger will be in the actual competition (which is 
>completely booked, inidentally) and will be very arrogant and condescending,
>angering the other contestants and the crowd.  There will be a face WWF 
>wrestler in attendance who will come up on stage during Lex's routine who will
>confront him and challenge him to a wrestling match.  The two may even brawl
>on stage.  Apparently Vince hasn't figured out who this man will be just yet.
>
  If this really comes about, I will assume that Vince has decided that the
WBF was a bad investment, and that will be about the end of it.  Being that
closely associated with the WWF will certainly not help the WBF in the eyes 
of traditional bodybuilding fans (IMHO), who already look at it as a bit of
a sideshow, from what I gather.  The WBF angle has sounded believable, but
when you get to the challenge issued during a WBF event, we start to part
company...
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: More interview rankings
Summary: Cue cards
Reply-To: jewell@Data-IO.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:49:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.015450.28852@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
#(Harry M. Dolny) writes...
#> 
#>Of all the people listing lousy interviews, I'm surprised
#>nobody has mentioned Elizabeth. Her interviews are pathetic,
#>but fortunately, rare. I don't think she can memorize more
#>than two sentences at a time.                ^^^^^^^^
#> 
#
#    You know, there seems to be a general opinion that wrestlers in many
#cases have interview "scripts" that give them what they should say exactly,
#word for word.  If anyone knows about this for sure please post, but I find
#it hard to believe that this is true.  This assumes the existence of

I don't know about writers for the interview spots, but I know that
some of the interview spots are "cue carded". That is to say the remarks
or the important lines are written on cue cards and the wrestlers read
off the cards. 

An easy way to tell that an interview has been "carded" is to watch
the lips of other people who aren't speaking at the time. If their
lips are moving (however slightly) it's a sign of two things:
	1. the interview is "carded"
	2. the person not speaking can't read without moving their lips

Obviously, tag team interviews are the best chance you'll have to
find whether interview is carded. Two of the worst offenders of the
"don't move your lips while your partner is speaking" rule are the
Beverly Brothers (nee Destruction Crew) and the Steiner Brothers.

Next time you are watching a WWF syndie, check out the taped interviews
they show. I'll bet you see at least one instance of a carded interview.

#professional writers, and by the low quality of some spots, I highly
#doubt this.  I think a more reasonable approach would be for the promoter to
#simply give the wrestler some idea of what subjects to cover, and
#what catch phrases (WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN HULKAMANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU...) to
#use.  Then, the wrestler's natural persona and personality does the rest. 

Bingo. I'm sure some lines are scripted and the filler is left up to
the wrestler. I'm sure the ratio of script to filler depends on the
wrestler. I'm sure Sidney Eudy and the Anabolic Warrior [either Jim
Hellwig or Del Wilkes :-) have some of the highest script to filler 
ratios while Ric Flair and Scott (the Flamingo, the Body, the Palm Beach
Heartthrob) Anthony have some of the lowest ratios. 

I'm not sure where Dusty "Live and in cullah" Rhodes fits.

Any others that come to mind with exceedingly high/low script/filler
ratios?

-- 
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Re: Disputing The "Stable Champ" Theory
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:46:47 GMT

In <5gp+LRA@engin.umich.edu> joepet@engin.umich.edu (Joe Petrow) writes:

>Someone once said that what Vince really wants is a "stable" champ who will
>dominate over the Federation.  The following is a list of all champions who
>have won (read: NOT just "successfully defended" a title by not being pinned
>or submitting) a title match on a PPV:
> 
>Demolition
>Rockin Robin
>The Ultimate Warrior

>This is it.  Look it up if you don't believe me.  Only three champions winning
>title matches in five years and you're telling me Vince believes in stability?

><<The Rugged One>>
><<<<Joe Petrow>>>>

JOE! I hate to disagree with you, but I feel that I must.
Let me make sure I understand what you are saying here: these are the people
who have won a title defense, right?

What about Randy Savage in WrestleMania 2. How about Hogan in WM 2 and 3?
Bret Hart on This Tuesday in Texas? 

I have to admit that it is somewhat amazing that Hulk Hogan has only
successfully defended "his WWF Title" in only 2 of the 8 WrestleManias,
though..... 
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Flair/Savage shoot?
Keywords: No way
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:27:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44912
Organization: Purdue University


  I don't believe it was a shoot.  Myreasons:

A) alright, an unfair one, I am posting after I saw the Superstars of Wrestling,
where it seems as though it was planned all the long.

B)  Some bad wrestlers make little attempt to actually kick out and the ref
claims he kicked out (saw Vinnie Vegas do this against Todd Champion, just layed
there) not Flair.  He always gets a shoulder up.  Savage wasn't covering Flair
that well.  He was too high on the roll up to actually force Flair down, and
I hate to tell you, but grabbing the trunks like that only shows Flair's
behind, no leverage is gained, at least not that could keep a guy from kicking
out.

C)  Ref's know the angles like everybody else. They stop counting (ala Vegas
Champion match) when the count isn't suppose to go through.  I can remember
a few matches where they simply stopped counting because they knew the match
didn't end yet.



  I will say this, when Savage had the belt and Elizabeth was in the ring and
they set of that fireworks explosion, for a minute I thought they were
blown up (all you saw was a flame)!
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