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From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Vice President of Oregon State U. Lobbying for Chinese Immigration
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:02:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul26.181222.4557@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> "Raymond C. Luh" <luh@NAS.NASA.GOV> writes:
>>Zhongkai Xu
>>Vice President
>>Oregon State University
>
>Is Vice President Xu speaking for the President of OSU? :-)
>
>
>Ray
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Raymond C. Luh        |  So many deeds cry out to be done always urgently.  |
>|  (415)-604-4494        |  The world rolls on.  Time presses.                 |
>|  luh@ame.nas.nasa.gov  |  Seize the day.  Seize the hour.   --  Mao Zedong   |								   ??????????
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry.
Is this the killer who should be dead for a million times on mainland China ?
Please do not talk about "immigration" and admire him simmultaneously.
Don't you think it's funny ?

When you guys who are so enthusiastic for the immigration,
is there anyone thinking about Chinese on mainland ?
Also, the departed spirits under the tanks on Taienmoon Square ?
It is your freedom to choose your future,
but please do it SILENTLY !
It is not such a GREAT task that you can be PROUD of ! sigh!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      suggestion to the council
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:34:00 EDT

The time is urgent, I suggest council to nominate Zhao haiqing in charge
the lobby work. All CSS know he has the experience and he is very resposible
person to work on this. This is for all CSS. New HQ should support it. D.ZHOU
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From: YYANG%KENTVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      The Protection Bill and MFN Bill
Reply-To: D-P Deng <deng@BNLUX1.BNL.GOV>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:55:07 EDT
Comments:     Originally-From: D-P Deng <deng@BNLUX1.BNL.GOV>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I noticed that some IFCSS GaoGan tried hard to manipulate CSS: show your
support for the MFN bill to your congresspersons, your congresspersons will
support the protection bill. What a naked show of low life!

Fortunately I believe many CSS have enough common sense and know when and how
to lobby the protection bill, they also have enough conscience to oppose the
sugar-coated MFN bill targeting at punishing their very own innocent hard
working countrymen and countrywomen.

Go with your hearts, folks! Cheers!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want the others go with their hearts. You might already go with your
heart, but ---- where is your XXXXing heart?
From: jli@AMSC01.ENGR.UDAYTON.EDU (Jinghong Li)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: about the "amembment to IFCSS C......"
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:39:09 GMT
Reply-To: Jinghong Li <jli@AMSC01.ENGR.UDAYTON.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: cc: jli@amsc01.BITNET


 Subject: Re:  Amendment to IFCSS Council Resolution CR4004


Dear china-net management committee,
Dear whomever involved,

Early today, there were mails came from lix and David Yuan respectively
which in my view have nothing to do with this china-net, and have
probably violated china-net rules.  In my opinion, such mails attacking
a person's character based on their private mail exchanges should not
be encouraged on china-net.  Like the CNMC has done in the past, I
beleive proper warnings should be issued, and any repeated actions
should be punished according to china-net rules.

Thank you for your attention.

Jinghong Li

U of Dayton.
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From: xpeng@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Pull it together; Don't tear it apart!
Reply-To: xpeng@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:46 EDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

The protection bill does not come out overnight.  It come out of the CCSA's
more than one year of consistent hard working.  Anyone, who real want to see
this bill pass, can imagine that AT THIS CRUCIAL TIME DR. ZHAO HAIQING's
LEADERSHIP ON THIS MATTER COULD BE REPLACED WITHOUT DRAMATICALLY DAMAGE THE
ON GOING LOBBY EFFORT.  Many people may not like Zhao HaiQing.  If you believe
that the protection bill is for the interest of Chinese Students and Scholars
as a whole it is a wise judgement to keep Zhao HaiQing's leadership on this
coordinated lobby effort.

I wish IFCSS's president and/or the 4th term council could authorize Zhao
HaiQing's position as soon as possible to avoid further confusion.  It is easy
for our Chinese to accept the fact that 4th term IFCSS's president is now
leading the lobby effort.  However, it may be very diffcult to convience
those Congressman/Congresswoman and Senators to buy it overnight.  We have
to admit that we are now is not a powerful or influential organization yet.
The good and mutual relationship between Capital Hill and IFCSS can not be
simply substitute by the title of IFCSS President overnight.  In the human
society there are many subtle factors.  I do respect the IFCSS HQ's leadership
in general.  It dosen't mean that the IFCSS HQ is leading every project by
itself.  The real leadership is relying on optimizing other people's ability
instead of doing everythig itself.

Remember the Gulf War. After President Bush decided to start the war all the
battles are planned and carried out by the generals, not Bush.  And the bad
decision made by Bush is the timing of stop the war.  On this decision he did
not listen to his generals.

Remember the story about Xiang Yu(the Conqueror) and Liu Bang(the first
emperor of Han Dynasty).  Xiang Yu lost the fight because he could not
properly utilize his people including the famous Fan Zeng.

Best wishes.

P.S. I don't want to drag people into the dispute between Mr. Geng and Mr.
Zhao. This will be my first and the last opion on this matter.  I sincerely
wish that Mr. Geng and Mr. Zhao can resolve their difference AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Subject:      PR Bill and Two "Mrs. President"
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:13:57 PDT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

We, as a local student organization as well as individuls, are really
confused and mad by the recent appeals by "Presidents of IFCSS", Haiching
Zhao(July 22) and Xiao Geng(July 23).

The reports/appeals are urgent and the situation is really "now or never".
If we want to beat the odds and win this game, immediate actions are needed.
We need well organized nationwide actions just like we did before.  We MUST
concentrate all our energy and limited resources to give this bill a final
push.  We have to be united to fight for ourselves.

We local organization want to do something, BUT --
Who is the acting President,  ZHQ or GX?
Which account is the lobby account, CCSA/Immigartion Fund or IFCSS CSS-
Protection Account?
If the IFCSS HQ can not be united as ONE HQ, how can you organize the
nationwide actions?!

WE NEED A GOOD EXPLANATION!!!
=============================

The former President and the President to be need to have a nice talk and
work together for yourselves as well as others.  Just put your own personal/
potical views aside for a while, working together.  That is what we want!

Zhongkai Xu
Vice President
Oregon State University
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From: Zhanguo Duan <zgd@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Waste
Reply-To: Zhanguo Duan <zgd@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:28:39 CDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>
>......Do you truely believe that a person's background has anything to
>do with disproving the soundness of their arguements or logic.
>

I would to like know the backgrounds of those noise makers, anyone who knows
about it should share it with others, since I, infuenced by communist
education of my early years (my background), believe anyone's opinion has
something to with his(her) background and personal interest. No one is unbiased.

Duan Zhanguo
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From: Chinese.news@chinese.umass.edu
Subject:      Answer to How to sign off China-Net
Reply-To: Chinese.news@chinese.umass.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:12:40 -0400
Comments: To: China-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

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From: "David C. J. Leip" <david@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Waste
Reply-To: "David C. J. Leip" <david@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:04:52 -0400
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Zhou Dawei,

	Regarding your last post to china-nt regarding Dr. Raymond Luh.
I would consider such irrelevant attacks to be a waste of internet bandwidth,
disk space, readers' time; and an insult to the intelligence of china-nt
subscribers. Do you truely believe that a person's background has anything to
do with disproving the soundness of their arguements or logic.

"Excuse me, Dr Einstein, but before you go on with this relativity nonsense,
I think you should tell us about your background. Isn't it true that you
were and perhaps still are a Jew."

"Excuse me, Dr. Bethune (Bai2 Qiu2 en1 dai4fu), would you consider yourself
a communist? If so, I would suggest that your proposal of a social health
care program, is really an evil and wicked communist plot."


Please consider attacking logic and arguements for their flaws. In this
enviromental age we should all do our part to reduce waste.


- Li Dawei

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From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: China-net  (was Re: To those who think they are right
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.024807.11946@athena.mit.edu> liu9yong@athena.mit.edu () writes:
>
>Just a question me and other readers might also have:
>
>	Are all posts to china-net automatically forwarded to this newsgroup?
>I couldn't follow these posts very well and I don't subscribe to china-net.
>Help will be appreciated!


	Yes, all the posts to China-net [are] automatically forwarded to this
group, but not vice-versa.

	China-net is often very confusing, which explains the difficulty
in flollowing it.  :-)

	Be aware that your response to China-net post on this net is not
going back to China-net automatically.  It is very likely the author[s] of
the post you are responding do not get to see your response at all, unless
they also read this group.



    Eddie
>
>zWAu


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      SVC
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:59:00 EDT

Dear Lix,
   Sorry, I don't have your name. You can appeal to IFCSS Supervision Committe.
The Chairman is Lishi Luo. His email address is Luo@goshawk.lanl.gov.
Kai Hwang
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Organization: Big Bear Solar Observatory, Caltech
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:14:55 GMT

test
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Another way to calculate economic strength
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:46:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul23.000251.6013@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chu
nde Shi) writes:

>I got Germany's muscle_reflexing from Times margazine ont Coatia recognition
>issue! If you are interested, please scan through this years Times to find
>out the article. I do not know more than what I wrote, not able to make
>further arguments. But I still believe Times made a good point.
>I do not have any prejudice against Germany, I only used the instance as
>a lesson for China's RMB convertability issue.
>

#1: don't be shy to admit you don't know something. what's ridiculous
in the eyes of the readers is not your mistake but your insisting of
making them.

#2: after so many years of schooling, i am surprised you still don't
follow the standard procedure for referencing. if you want to back up
your claim, YOU have to provide the said article(s), not to ask the
readers to find it for you.

btw, i take it you meant TIME magazine, not the NY TIMES sunday magazine.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re:  IFCSS: BRIEF REPORT ON IMMIGRATION AND MFN BILLS
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:41:40 GMT

In article <BrsLE0.1ps@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>/* From the keyboard of George Zhu <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU> */:
>:>
>:>        From:  Haiching Zhao, President of IFCSS
>:                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>:
>:Is Zhao Haiching still the President of IFCSS?  I thought he was not
>:re-elected. :-)
>
>The printed letter paper with above letter head have not used up. 
>I appreciate Haiching's concern for environment. 
>
>I hope this clears up the confusion you have. 
>

Maybe Dr. Zhao still has some money left over from whatever foundation, 
collected during his tenure? :-(



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From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re: To those who think they are right
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:48:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.030747.18402@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>YANG GUANG wrote:
>>For those who prepare to continue the debate, I want to
>>offer you a small clarification.
>
>Not me, but your subject line is to me, thanks.
>
>>Zhao Haiching did not make a mistake by signing as
><IFCSS President.  The IFCSS 4 da passed a resolution ( I am
><the author, and that's why I feel obligated to do this),
><which states that there should be a month transition time
><before President-elect takes over the office.  During this
><period, current presidency remains effective.
>
>So, my proposed amendment is right. IFCSS have and will have two presidents:
>"Thank you Ms. Pelosi" President and a
>"Thanks-Card Sending" President. That will be a very effective structure.

Just a question me and other readers might also have:

	Are all posts to china-net automatically forwarded to this newsgroup?
I couldn't follow these posts very well and I don't subscribe to china-net.
Help will be appreciated!

zWAu
From: TWP66@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: DON'T QUARREL, CHINESE!
Reply-To: TWP66@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:03:00 CDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear Mousheng Xu:


Again, I would say: it is very kind of you to call "cease-fire" on the
net.  Again, I would say that I don't oppose quarelling itself.

However, I do agree with you that some recent "quarrelling" was not
normal.  Why?

If you check carefully, you would find that many (if not ALL) such
quarrels that you have noticed were originated from few (if not ONE)
unreasonable netter.  It may be incredible that so few unreasonable
mind can disturb so many normal minds.  Very so.  But remember an old
Chinese saying "A piece ..."?

You may kindly suggest again: Let's be more tolerant, anyhow.  That
would be too nice.  Somehow, I remember Confucius once asked, "Yi De
Bao Yuan, Jiang He Yi Bao De (If rewarding goodness for an ill-mind,
then what for goodness)?"  Tolerance to an unnecessary degree is
equal to cowardness.

At last, I won't give up my hope, as you and many others won't either,
the hope for a more positive environment in the net so that we could
"be gentle and have a love heart to each other".  Then we can quarrel
and fight like "bothers ad sisters"--The difference is: you may punch
your brother's face, but you never want to curse his mother :-)

Yungui Ding
@Iowa


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     Be gentle to each other,have a love heart to each other,we are
brothers and sisters here!!
     All Chines United!!!
     ALL CHINESE UNITED!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: yangy@ils.unc.edu (Yanqiu Yang)
Subject: Immigration Bill
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:48:56 GMT

	The Immigration Bill (Green Card Bill) is on the line in
Congress. Recently, I have read heated debates on this issue in
World Journal. This issue seems to have divided Chinse students
deeply, especially between those potential beneficiary and "victims".
Could somebody tell me the impact of this bill on those students
who will not benefit from the bill. Is this bill going to hurt them
in the long run? If yes, why? Maybe this is a naive and stupid
question, however, I am looking forward to an honest and insightful
analysis. I have heard some very heated and angry comments on the bill,
I hope they were wrong.
	

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      The 4th Term IFCSS Council Resolution CR4002
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:06:00 EDT
Comments: To: council@amsc01.engr.udayton.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU, soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
              china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu,
              osu.chinese@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu,
              soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
              cnd-us@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu

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                IFCSS Council Resolution CR4004
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by Kai Hwang and Jinghong Li / Qi Yenong
7/22/92

        Emergency Resolution on Establishing Task Force
to Coodinate Nationwide Lobby Effort for Chinese Protection Bill


Whereas the 4th Congress passed a resolution providing support to
the 1992 Chinese Student Protection Bill,

Whereas the Chinese Protection Bill is now considered by the US House
Judiciary Committee,

Whereas the HQ is in a transition and the working committees and
personnel arrangements have not been formally established,

Be it resolved,

That the 4th Term IFCSS Headquarters shall immediately call for and
establish a task force to coordinate nation-wide activities to support
the 1992 Protection Bill.  It is further resolved,

That the 4th term IFCSS HQ shall assign a special account to accept
donations for the purpose stated above.  The account shall be managed by
a management board composed of representatives from the Finance
Committee of the Council, the HQ and the Task force.  The said
management board shall be responsible to and report to this Council.

Adopted with unanimous consent

Council Email Conference
July 23, 1992
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: A warning to the new elected IFCSS president
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:49:53 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul28.051513.20554@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
|> The new elected IFCSS president has not answered my two questions that posted
|> on china net. I as a CSS, am warning the new elected president, stop wasting
|> time and stop inner struggle and support Zhao's lobby work. Dawei Zhou, FL

This guy is so pissed off! If he can't get the red card this time, what will
happen? :)

ZHQ, show this guy to US congressmen, and they will vote for whatever you
want! :) :)
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: (none) Two Accounts for Donation to Lobby Effort
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:28:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Liu, Yuhe worte that:

>In fact, the only thing between the HQ and Dr. Zhao is the lobby
>accounts. IFCSS should have its own account for the lobby. Other
>accounts can exist too. But IFCSS will not take any responsibility for
>the accounts which are not montored by IFCSS. Don't you think it's
>reasonable and blameless? For any donations, the donaters can make
>decision to which account they like to send their money.
 
The most confusing thing is the two accounts declaration. If Dr. 
Zhao is issued the responsibility to organize the lobby by IFCSS,
why IFCSS declares it won't take responsibility for the donation
sent to the account with Dr. Zhao? Who is actually in charge of
the lobby? There got to be somebody who is truly in full charge
to coordinate the national wide effort. I don't think the
declaration from the IFCSS HQ reasonable. No! It is ridiculous!

Please excuse me if I am ignorant of something.

Yunson
University of Maryland @ College Park.
 
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From: Network News Account <netnews@HICKORY.ENGR.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      stop the ugly things on this Net!
Reply-To: Network News Account <netnews@HICKORY.ENGR.UTK.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:53:41 EDT
Comments: To: China-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

Please behave and don't send too much ugl messages to the NET.
---News Lovers
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From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      HQ
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:48:00 EDT

The phone number of HQ is (202)347-0017.  If you have any question about
lobby issue, I recommand to you to make a call.
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