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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Would Pagemaker Help Here?
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Joy,
Thanks for the additional info. I completely forgot about Grab.com in my reply.
Does it also allow you to convert between formats?
Monte
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
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It depends on how week knead you are
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:31:00 EST
From:         TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PageMaker vs. '71 Dodge Polaris

I feel I'm at a disadvantage because I never drove a Dodge Polaris (in
fact, I have no recollection of such a car even though I was born a few
years before '71).  To be fair in your comparison, though, I think you
need to consider a few things about PageMaker as add-ins.  I mean, what
car will actually flash your name & company name (or whatever clever
inside joke one cares to insert) when you turn on the ignition?  I agree,
however, in your overallevaluation -- that cigar lighter tipped the scales.

Anybody have a '71 Dodge Polaris for sale?  Is there an educational discount?

Todd Wilson
Ohio Wesleyan University
(No, I've always owned 4-cylander economy cars, but I feel primeval desires
 for the power of a V-8; I think it's something akin to those of PC users who
 long for 486 machines....)  And yes, I know it's cylinder, but I do not know
 how to use the edit function.  And no, I'm not paranoid!
 Gees!
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:36:00 CDT
From:         DGWRIGHT@UNOMA1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Windows 3.1 and pagemaker

I just installed Windows 3.1 using the easy installation method.
Supposedly, 3.1 is supposed to be intelligent enough to read all
previous paths, applications, etc., and set itself up while eliminating
all its 3.0 trash. Several disks later and a reboot on my 486 clone
the only things that would not run were Word for Windows, PowerPoint
and Excel -- all Microsoft products!

I stripped them off the hard drive. Strippped off all Windows stuff
reinstalled Windows, reinstalled the Microsoft products and it now
runs like a charm. Aldus products (Freehand and Pagemaker) were not
affected. The Microsoft products (before reinstallation) had some
kind of device problem and memory problem that now is fixed.

Don Wright
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From:         krweiss@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bad Table Error?
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>print.  But at least the first 3-4 times I got an error in PM Mac 4.0 saying
>CANNOT PRINT:  BAD TABLE ERROR  Cancelling print job.
>
>I don't have any of those stupid aldus tables in their from the so-called Aldus
>Thanks -- Cindy Stone
>
>P.S.  If you don't know who to root for this weekend, GO IU  | Indiana   >

Cindy,

The "bad table error" doesn't refer to the "row & column" tables, but to an
internal table that keeps track of information about your PM document. If a
global recompose and diagnostic (<shift><option>-Hyphenation) doesn't clear
the problem, I think you've got big trouble. I've never recovered from one
of these errors.

Point of curiosity -- is this a document that was originally a PM 3.0
format, converted up to 4.01? That process caused some problems for me in
the past.

Ken
--------------------------------------------
Ken Weiss                krweiss@ucdavis.edu
Manager of Instruction
Computing Services       916/752-5554
U.C. Davis
Davis, CA 95616          916/752-9154 (fax)
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:24:08 PDT
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 2 up printing
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

I'm checking around here to see if there's an answer to your 2-up problem. One
solution might be to prepare it in 2-up format -- PM allows you to select any
size sheet you want up to a humongous size. Then print the publication to a file
and take it to a service bureau for printing.
Hope this helps and I'll keep looking.
Monte
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:10:21 +1000
From:         Justin Ridge <justin@TASMAN.CC.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: lines & other stuff

>To all:     Talking about various programs for DTP...How you value FrameMaker?
>            (I have only heard alot about this program, but I haven't chance to
>            try it.)
>            Let's discuss also programs that are made for processing pictures!
>            I'd like to learn about 'em more.

No, lets not... this is the PAGEMAKER list, not a graphics list.
If you want to talk about things like that subscribe to GIF-L or
something...

Justin.

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:14:00 EDT
From:         "Adam Conn, Valuable Viable Software" <ACONN@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pages and printing
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Hey --
This is a LOT easier in PageMaker 4.2 than it was in any earlier version (I had
to print SEVERAL booklets--what a pain). Under Additions, there is a feature
called Booklet (or make booklet).

              Enjoy--

Adam
*finally onto books with weird trim sizes 7 * 9 now *
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:06:42 PDT
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Word 5 and PM4
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Apparently there is a free upgrade for Word 5.0 files available from Aldus on
most electronic BBSs.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:17:19 EDT
From:         Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new 4.2 additions....

re: booklet making. I just checked my pubs I've used it in. I set the layout to
 be 5.5x8.5.  After it's all placed, THEN you do the booklet thing. Obviously
since you are expecting to have 4 "pages" on one (double sided) you have to
watch that the number of pages divides by four, or expect blank ones at
the end. I haven't had any problem with it; find it a real blessing.

re: drop caps. Yes, it's not a real elegant implementation. It WILL work if
you do it at the very last minute. The Aldus mag. suggests you SAVE your
work, try it out, and revert if you don't like it. You also have to add
the hyphens if it breaks a word.

My current challenge: feeding an excel spreadsheet into Pagemaker. It
doesn't seem to work very well. Can't get the cell borders in there at ALL!
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:10:51 -0500
From:         PHELLANDER@F.ITD.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Word 5 and PM4
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Thanks Monte, will check it out, though someone has promised to send
me a filter for PM4. Over and out.

Paul - DownUnder
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:06:42 PDT
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My name is Stuart Weissman and I am a graphic Artist at
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And what's wrong with Superpaint? For the price, it's a great application!
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:53:40 EDT
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From:         JDFLET01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Subject:      The Stuart Exchange

It's kind of like debating the relative benefits of Fascism and Democracy. To
each his (or her) own.

________________________________________________________________________
                     JONATHAN FLETCHER

'NET: JDFLET01 @ ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU   "I KNOW NOTHING, EXCEPT FOR
       PRINTING & PUBLICATION SERVICES    THE FACT OF MY OWN IGNORANCE"
              UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE             --SOCRATES
                 LOUISVILLE, KY  40292
                   VOICE: 502-588-6533
                     FAX: 502-588-7292
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From:         "Austin Twigg Catonsville CC OTC Printing AAKL0"
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Subject:      My name is Stuart Weissman and I am a graphic Artist at Montclair

Maybe spelling is part of the weekness?
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From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      new 4.2 additions....

BTW -- love the stuff on the comparison of an Aldus product to a Chrysler
product....

BTW, part II -- this is a PM list, not a framemaker, quark, graphics debate
site etc.  I know that none of us work with just one piece of software in life
but, when PM list traffic is high, let's keep it to just the PM facts please!

Now -- I just started experimentingwith PM Mac 4.2  My first reaction to the
drops cap thing, was it sucks!  It sticks in bunches of tabs and hard returns
so that if you use it and then your editor edits again, you've got tabs
and hard returns everywhere you don't want the;m.  Also, Is it my imagination
or does the drop cap feature seem inflexible to more obese letters like W's and
M's ?  I mean that's discrimination -- I seem to have to wide my tab settings
for a wider drop cap?????

What about the book feature?  Do I have to start with small (half pages) then
let the book gizmo rearrange them into two up?  It seemed towork wwhen I tried
it, but I think I was blindly tripping through the menus (tiptoeing?)

Until next time -- Cindy Stone, PM Listowner
Stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu

P.S. If you're just dying to discuss general windows stuff, move over to the
listserv at U. of Illinois for Windows users.  (I only missed logging on for
email one day, and had 127 things to read mostly from PM business.....)
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:54:06 -0800
From:         krweiss@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Pages and printing
X-To:         PageMaker for Desktop Publishers <PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

>a page.  If my newsletter is, for example, eight pages long, is there a way to
>print out pages 1 & 8 on the same piece of paper, then 2 & 7, 3 & 6, and 4 & 5
>onso that the pages will be ready to go to the printer's without anmanual
>cutting and pasting?
>
>Sharon Snyder

This process is called imposition. I understand there's a very expensive
(multiple thousands of $) piece of software available now that will take a
PostScript file in reader's order and rearrange it to produce imposed pages
in printer's order. There's no way to do this within PM without manually
cutting and pasting, or laying it out in imposed order to begin with.

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Ken Weiss                krweiss@ucdavis.edu
Manager of Instruction
Computing Services       916/752-5554
U.C. Davis
Davis, CA 95616          916/752-9154 (fax)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:36:49 PDT
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Stuart Exchange
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

It's kind of like debating the relative benefits of Fascism and Democracy. To
each his (or her) own.

________________________________________________________________________
                     JONATHAN FLETCHER

'NET: JDFLET01 @ ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU   "I KNOW NOTHING, EXCEPT FOR
       PRINTING & PUBLICATION SERVICES    THE FACT OF MY OWN IGNORANCE"
              UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE             --SOCRATES
                 LOUISVILLE, KY  40292
                   VOICE: 502-588-6533
                     FAX: 502-588-7292


My reply:
Fascism and Democracy? Get real! We're talking PCs and Macs, not Mussolini and
Roosevelt! If it works for you, use it! But let others use their own tools. Your
probably anti-choice too.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:07:00 CDT
From:         DGWRIGHT@UNOMA1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: current versions....

Sorry to use the message buffer to send this request, but a direct
send to listserv@indycms doesn't seem to get the job done.

Since I'm leaving the U system I can no longer be logged on to
the PageMaker list. It's a pity too. Lot of good workin' folks
here that I've come to depend on. I'm moving to (grind of teeth)
a 386 pee cee with 2 megs memory and Ventura. It's pretty ugly.
The office where I'll be working has a HP III with Pacific Page
PostScript card, but they didn't know how to use it. At least we
can now print headlines in something other than 30 point resident
HP fonts.

Soooo.

Please sign off DGWRIGHT@UNOMA1
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:06:00 EDT
From:         "Adam Conn, Valuable Viable Software" <ACONN@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Graphics
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

You can't flip regular graphics, but I believe that you can rotate in-line
graphics (graphics that are incorporated directly in to text "stories"). Copy
your graphic to the clipboard, create a text line by typing a space, and
then paste while still in text. Then select the text with the pointer and use
the rotate feature. I have not tried this direct approach, however, and I don't
know if it works.

You can copy the graphic into a program like MacDraw II and rotate it there,
copy it again, and then repaste it. This is a multistep, high RAM solution, but
it does work.

--Adam Conn
*a little miffed at UMaryland/MFA program for rejecting my application for
TAship again, but not too upset because I'm not coming until '93.*
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:10:00 EDT
From:         "Adam Conn, Valuable Viable Software" <ACONN@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: having any new text typed be in the style you want...
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Woosh Cindy. Here's some advice. If you really want to quicken the process,
start your paragraphs in your word processor as follows:

<Headline 1>Quark Quits
<Sub Head 1>Aldus sets sites on Frame
<Body Text>QuarkXPress, a somewhat dull program, is no longer.......

-----

Set up your style palette with matching titles--WITHOUT the "<" but with
the spaces (or vice versa). When you PLACE your documents into PM, select
"Read Tags.Bingo. All done.

Ta Da!

--Adam
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From:         Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: how about PM 4.2 under system 6.0.5...

Cindy, I like 4.2 very much, both for the drop caps and the booklet, as
well as the screen redraw. I'm moving the last couple of holdout publications
to it (from Word) in the next two weeks.

You really should consider moving to System 7. I've been running it since
last June, with very few problems. Yes, it does eat disk space and ram,
but there are so many plusses - in particular the aliases and the file
sharing. And there are good inits which work with 7 only.  What inits
do you have that you don't want to lose? Almost all I've seen DO work
with 7, even if the "before you install" moves them into the ? folder.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:05:00 EDT
From:         SMURRELL@WOOSTER.BITNET
Subject:      This is only a test.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:46:14 HST
From:         Lee Ann Sakihara <LEEANN@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Trouble printing Macintosh files on LPS-40 printer
X-To:         pagemakr@indycms.BITNET, word-mac@acc.haverford.edu

Does anyone know how to print Macintosh files to the LPS-40 printer?
I'm running System 7 and I want to print on 11"x17" paper.  I'm generating
the PostScript code with PageMaker 4.2 and Word 5.0.  I tried prepending
"laserprep_68.pro", but I guess that will only work with laserprep
version 6.8.  Does anyone one know where I can get "laserprep_71.pro"
or does this even exist?

I also tried PM 4.01 with Mac system 6.08 and specified Printserver40,
11"x17", and what printed out was a blank 11"x17" paper.  I swear there
was text in my document.

Any help will be greatly appreciated, please respond by e-mail and if I
find a solution I will post to the net.

Internet:  leeann@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu               Lee Ann M. Sakihara
Bitnet:  leeann@uhunix.bitnet                       U. H. Computing Center
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From:         jdubey@REED.EDU
Subject: Re: new 4.2 additions....
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>I got the Excel file in! I followed the directions in the Aldus booklet
>- I couldn't make the publish-and-subscribe thing work bec. I couldn't
>find my most recent excel update booklet and didn't have time to search
>for it. But Aldus said highlight the area you want in Excel. Click on the
>little camera in the ribbon bar. click somewhere else on the sheet and paste
>the graphic down. Then copy it. Go to PageMaker and paste it in as a pict
>file. It works! Of course I'm not sure it would work if I didn't have 8k
>memory so I could have both PM and XL open at the same time. I haven't
>tried pasting it into the scrapbook.  BUt at least I got the damned thing
>IN!


It will work even if you had to quit out of Excel in order to start up PM.
The Mac will hold things on the clipboard independent of what apps are
open. You could also use the Scrapbook as an intermediary, more permanent
place to store items you are copying and pasting between apps.

--Jessica
_______________________________________________________________________
Jessica Dubey                             Internet: jdubey@reed.edu
Computer User Services
Reed College, Portland, OR 97202	                    503/777-7571
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From:         EG1740907@NTIVAX.BITNET
Subject:      PM4 Great Book!

Hi! I'm Gerard from Singapore - NTU.
I'm new to this disc. In fact, I'm new to bitnet. My 1st note out!!
Just finished, well almost, a great book on PM4. I really think it's the best.
. . . but I haven't read any other but the PM manual though.
Title  : Real World PM4 - Industrial Strength Techniques - windows Ed.
Pub    : Bantam Computer Book
Author : Jesse Berst & Scott Dunn - PM4 & WIN Gurus
         Stephen Roth - former editor of Personal Publishing
         Olav M Kvern - Guru at Aldus doc. design.

Everything & more abt PM4 is in it. Includs WIN tips & tools, too.
One tip I didn't know : Closing ALL Dialog Boxes at one go
    Alt-Ctrl-Enter    for 'OKing' out &
    Alt-Ctrl-ESC      for 'Canceling' out.
Neat huh! I only knew about Alt + click 'OK' button.

Well that's all. Anyone out there. I haven't read or recieve anything
on this disc. Will soon I hope. Chao!
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From:         dcrivette@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bad Table Error?
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Hi Cindy:

I've encountered the same error code while printing a very long and tedious
document that I had converted from PM 3 to PM 4.  I hope you have better
luck than I did, I could not recover it.  Aldus did confirm later  that it
is a bug in PM 4 when you convert a PM 3 document.  Hopefully, PM 4.2
addresses the problem.  Good luck.

Darby
UC Davis
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:40:00 EST
From:         TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Stop.

Lighten up, folks.  I think a little controversy (and humor) makes it all
more worthwhile.  There is a lot of *garbage* but don't those of you
every-so-rigid ideologues have a delete command?  It's like those who
complain about sex etc. on TV -- use your off button.

Well, to justify my intrusion on all your times, here's a real PageMaker
question:  I just recently installed PageMaker for Windows on my IBM Mod 70,
and everything works fine EXCEPT a few of the key commands utilizing the
ctrl key.  It works OK on some, but not on others -- ctrl D brings up the
place command box, but ctrl insert doesn't do anything (like copy, for
instance).  I tried installing the same PageMaker software on another PC
in the office (just experimenting, not copyright infringing), and of course
it worked fine.  The keyboard seems to work fine in other programs, too.
Any clues?  (Oh, yeah -- it is PM 4.0; I was running 3.0 previously, and
everything worked OK).

Cordially,
Todd Wilson
Ohio Wesleyan University
bitnet: TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN
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