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From: thong@usc.edu (Tony Hong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: TACL Info?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 08:44:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I am currently looking for information about the Taiwanese American
Citizens League. More specifically, I would like to know what its objectives
are and how it goes about achieving those objectives.  If anyone has
any experience with this organization, please email me at

hong@desperado.etdesg.trw.com

Thanks.

Tony Hong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: [television/television] Chinese series, Japanese music C^inlanda serio, Japanlanda muziko (repost attempt)
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.232410.20108@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>     It seems that there is problem mailing to "ucbvax.berkeley.edu".
>So I am posting it from elsewhere to the newsgroup directly.
>Follow-ups go to "Soc.Culture.Taiwan".
>
>     Once I was in Taiwan, I heard music which sounded very close to "Macross"
>in the television program.  I did not pay much attention.  Now, recently,
>I heard the *definite* music of "Laputa" as background music in the Taiwan
>televion series <below>.  While we often use classical music in television
> | |  |  -+-     +-- \ / /   --+ --- \   | |  |  -|  \  
> +-|  |  /|      |    X       |/ ++-     +-|  |  |--    
>   |  |   +-     /   / \      |   //       |  |    /    

	I reckon these are something from another planet, look absolutely 
	alien to me. Been working out what they mean but still can't have 
	a clue at all.


>background, and in a place where some Japanese television in prohibited, even
>there we see Japanese music used.  It shows the widespread of Japanese culture
>in Taiwan.
>  // / /     +-+ /   --- \ /  /       |  / / \    /  --- \  
> //  \/      |-+      \   X  /        |  \/      /   ++-    ("Macross" in
>  |  --|     /        /  / \ ---      |  --|     --|  //    Chinese)
>

	Oh no! I give up. Don't sound like Chinese all! Can the author
	please contact me. I really am interested in knowing what they
	are(presumed Chinese...). Wonder much if we blokes could post
	things in Chinese, like what the soc.culture.italian people
	been doing. Any hints on that?

	Yep, I'd love to try posting something here in Chinese!!!(Why not?) 
	Don't you guys blame and flame me too much... A bit of mucking around
	is always good you know("ho wan" - good play)?

	 
							 
> -+-  |  -|      --- \ /  /      |||      //  /  /  	    ("Laputa" in
>  /   |  |--      \   X  /       |+|     //  /      	    Chinese)
> --|  |    /      /  / \ ---     ---      |  ---    
>     Iam, kiam mi estis en Tajvano, I au'dis en televido iun muzikon,
>kiu son-aspektis tre simile al "Makroso" (Japana movbilda filmo).  Mi ne
>tre atentis.  Nun, antau'-nelonge, mi definitive au'dis c^e la malantau'a
>tero muzikon el "Laputo" (alia Japana movbilda filmo).  Kiam ni ofte
>uzas klasikan muzikon sur televida malantau'a tero, kaj kie oni malpermesas
>iujn Japanajn televidaj^ojn, ec^ tie oni vidis Japanan muzikon.  C^i tio
>montras la enuo (?) de Japana kulturo.
>
>					ZHONG Qi-Iao, U.S.A./Usono

---Cheers,
	Bill
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13217 soc.culture.china:25391 soc.culture.hongkong:10693
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Question about TI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:57:13 GMT


In article <BuHvzI.F9o@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep12.230246.18774@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>=In article <79608@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>=>
>=>I am one "born in America" person who considers himself to be Chinese
>=>as well as being an American.  That seems to bother some TI people.
>=
>=And the fact that many anti-TI people are *not* KMT or CCP seems to bother
>=them as well, if the personal attacks by our friend on the net is an
>=indication of how most TIers think.
> 
>And the fact that many anti-KMT and anti-CCP people are *not* TI seems 
>to bother them as well, if the personal attacks by our friend on the 
>net is an indication of how most KMT-ers and CCP-ers think.
> 
>=Face it, ROT (what a nice abbreviation!); by grouping all non-for-TI (not
>=just anti-TI) people into either the Nationalist or the Communist camp, you
>=are alienating potential supporters of TI.  If that is what you want, fine;
> 
>Face it, Cloudy (what a nice abbreviation!); by grouping all non-for-KMT (not
>just anti-KMT) people into either the Nationalist or the Communist camp, you
>are alienating potential supporters of KMT.  
> 
>=If that is what you want, fine;
>=but then don't expect Taiwan to *declare* independence for another century
>=or so.  You get your goals accomplished by increasing the base of support,
>=not by decreasing it.
> 
>Taiwanese never wants to declare independence anyway, because
>Taiwan is an independent country. If you are a man, why you wanner
>declare you are a man. If you are a non-man, you certainly do
>not want to declare you are a non-man.  ;-)
> 
> 
>I don't mind getting KMT to drop KMT's claiming 'KMT owns
>KMT's Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China and preparing to
>recover and invade Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China.'
> 

When the reply becomes complicated, our simple-minded Mr. ROT is not capbale 
of handling it except changing from TI to KMT and send it back as he usually
does. Certainly he must have a very good cut-and-paste system but his computer 
can not help him to produce good debate.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:

>I hope CCP crash without bringing China  major dissorder as soon as possible.

How can that happen? CCP's crash definitely will bring dissorder 
to China. 

Ze Yang
From: yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa(correction)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:22:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.194551.17371@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:

>
>Comment: Mao didn't create his own dynasty, he used western calendar, such
>as 1949. But, the KMT ruled ROC did start a new dynasty called Ming-Gou 1
>year, 2 year, until now it is 80 or what the hell years I'll never remember
>and will never try to figure it out. I believe TIers will not to repeat KMT's
>stupid mistake.
>
>Yi-Chieh

Your model country for Taiwan: Japan, still uses the traditional 
system. Showa for Emperor Hirohito, remember?

Your defeatism is that people in Taiwan are not as intelligent
as the Japanese to adopt a double system? Let's hope not:-)

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Yenwen Wang                        wangy@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu
  The Ohio State University          yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:20:28 GMT
Organization: New York University

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <BuBKLG.2L5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>>The analogy is not right. North fought South to release slaves. But if mainland
>>fight Taiwan, they are to capture slaves. I wish mainland was as democratic as

>Wrong.  If Abraham Lincoln had told his people, at the time, that the war was
>to "liberate the slaves," he wouldn't have gotten much support for the war at
>all.  Through *all* his speeches, he said that the war was waged to "preserve
>the union."

I don't think Abraham Lincoln was lying to the people, I think he
really had no inclination to interfere slavery in those states which
had slabery already, he just wanted to confine slavery.

>For *Lincoln* (and the Republicans) freeing the slaves were certainly an
>objective in waging the Civil War, but it wasn't even close to the sole
>reason, and for the United States (the North) as a whole, "preserving the
>union" would have to be viewed as the top reason why there was so much support
>for the war.

Actually, that's the only reason, only when the Civel War went to
a certain degree, some one persude Abraham Lincoln, and Lincoln 
changed his mind, only after that, Lincoln think the war is also
about "a new birth of freedom".

Ze Yang
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Date: 13 Sep 1992 14:44:19 -0500
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <BuIn8F.Iqx@news.orst.edu> heathd@ucs.orst.edu (Du Shi-hua Heath) writes:
=
=>If you are asking my personal opinion, I am welcome you to wirte
=>me e-mail.
=
=  Yes, I'd like to see your personal opinion.  You can e-mail me, if you want.
=I just didn't know there is any different between post your opinion here and
=e-mail to me.  And if the writing in this article is not your personal
=opinion, then whose opinion is it.  And also there maybe other people have the
=same thought as yours, I want to have their answers, too.  I wish there are
=some other people have the opinion as you do.

Sorry I did not make very clear. What I mean 'personal opinion'
about certain issues is I don't want to force my will upon
other people. When I post my opinion on SCT, they always
are choices and people can choose them or not choose them.
For example,
If people support KMT's claim about territoy, what would happen?
If people does not support KMT's claim about territoy, what would happen?

BUT, I don't tell people what they should do which means also
what I will do, then it will be 'I am telling people what
they should do'.

In article <BuIn8F.Iqx@news.orst.edu> heathd@ucs.orst.edu (Du Shi-hua Heath) writes:
=After reading some of the other post in this group, I figure out that you think
=Taiwan has already been a independent country, which is a pretty much surprise
=for me. 
=Both KMT and CCP don't admit Taiwan is independent, why do you think it is?  
=And I'd like to know how many people have the same idea as 'ROT''s?
=

I believe it is not created by me. Mitch (the first self-claim TI-er
on the SCS and SCT newsgroups) has discussed this issue several times.

You seems confused a lot of issues here.

ROC is an independent country. A country is composed by people.
A country is not composed by KMT or CCP.
KMT and CCP can claim whatever they want, but it does not
change 'ROC is an independent country', though it does and did
affect ROC's diplomatic relationships with other countries.

Now, the country certainly can change her name anytime,
if she desires it through a population vote.

KMT is a group of people hired by the people to manage
the country. Somehow this group of people is getting
out of people's control and claiming 'KMT owns KMT's
Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China and preparing
to invade and recover Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China'

IMHO, KMT's claims and evil doing does not fit country(people)'s
best interest.

So I suggest country(people) has a population vote to have
a tighter control of the evil manager - KMT or replace
another manager to suit country(people)'s best interest.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.vietnamese
From: heathd@ucs.orst.edu (Du Shi-hua Heath)
Subject: Re: a few question about taiwan
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:29:29 GMT

I am not quite understand you.  If you consider me as a foreigner, I want to
ask you is this your answer to a person from another country, who wants to
know something of your country.  I have no right to tell you what you should
do, but I have the right to ask you questions.  If you don't want to answer my
questions, then don't answer them.  I don't know what is your point here.

>=Another question is that if Taiwan put the independency in vote, how many
>=Taiwanese would vote for it.
>
>Such a strange question!
>If Taiwan is not an independent country, then who is the
>government on top of KMT?

I think KMT claims itself as the top ruler of China, and Taiwan is just a
province of this China.

>If Taiwan is an independent country, why waste people's
>time to declare independent again.
>Your question should be,
>
>Shoud people in Taiwan force KMT to drop KMT's claim of
>'KMT owns KMT's Tibet, Mongolia and Mainland China and
>KMT has been preparing for 40 some years to RECOVER or
>INVADE Mainland China, Tibet and Mongolia'?
>
>Should people in Taiwan elect their own president by
>population vote?
A
What is the election system of Taiwan, now?  What are the procedures of
it?
>
>Should people in Taiwan decide their own fate or let
>KMT or CCP decides Taiwanese future?

Good questions, but where are your answers?  Are you complaining about KMT's
ruling?  Do you consider KMTs are Taiwanese?  Would you fight against
KMT if it's going to unite with mainland?  Who is eligible to be a Taiwanese
by your opinion?  Is KMT government a legal government in your mind? 

I don't know what kind of situation there is in Taiwan, and I don't have any
friends from Taiwan, therefore I would like to know something about it.   
>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12897 soc.culture.korean:4208
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultb.1992Sep5.054443.3062
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <1992Sep1.141045.3676@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <Aug.31.16.42.41.1992.25177@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>
>	** You ask:
>>> > I must ask you who sets the standard? Who?
>
>	** I am trying to say: Many people have the same feeling toward
>	   one situation. That is how standards are set.
>
>	   But people's mind changed with time.
>
>	   However, some principles (standards) did not change for
>	   centuries. These principles must be closer to the truth.
>           As a person today who can only see and think for a few
>	   tenth of years, we should consider very seriously to abide
>	   these principles that did not change for thousands of years.
>
>	   Two of them are:
>
>		1) Don't betray your friend. and
>		2) Be patriotic.
>
>> Now let's go back to Taiwan. How come Taiwan doesn't follow the standard
>> which regconize Mainland China as legitimate China supported by almost 
>> every country in the world? 
>
>	** Taiwan's government is trying to be patriotic.
>	   Meanwhile, Korean government violated the first principle
>	   I listed above.
>
>>> 	** So you and your girl friend share the same principles.
>> 
>> No, I will put it lots in common, not same principle
>> 
>	** So you and your girl friend are not sharing the same
>	   principles. Then why don't you find some one who can.
>
>
>>> 	   Then answer me: Why do we have so much divorces in our
>>> 	   society? Does that mean the "standard principles" among
>>> 	   a couple "changed"? 
>> 
>> Yes, it can be changed. But others can be factors of divorce.
>> And I don't see anything wrong with change in their principle.
>> Change is good.
>
>	** Change is good. So are you saying divorce is good.
>	   Those who don't divorce obviously don't change.
>
>	** Overall, what I am trying to say is:
>
>	   Korean government did something to Taiwan which a normal person
>	   shouldn't do to his/her good friends. 

Dear my Taiwanese/Chinese friend,

    Don't waste your time to read and response this kind of posts, since
    we all know what kind of people Koreans are.  They can change their
    national airlines name then tell the world "The plane shot down by
    USSR isn't our company's plane."

    PLEASE & PLEASE

      DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THAT ANY MORE.

Timothy Cheng
--------------
txc6266@ultb.ics.rit.edu

PS. Any attack back articles will be ignored.  So, Koreans, don't waste time
    to explain your lies either.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 11:28:24 CDT
From: <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject:    test, please ignore

test only, please ignore
From: yuqian@bvc.edu (Suicidal Freshman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: F16 to Taiwan
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:18:08 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Sep4.013929.21978@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:

> i think we should buy the mirage 2000, too; if we can .  but, the
> question is frence still doesn't say yes.

Dream on!  You know what you should buy?  F-22 and lots of them.

SF
bvc

-- 
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*           "I didn't think I ate that much!"                                *
*                                       -- Ding Chavez                       *
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*                yuqian.bvc.edu		    the Suicidal Freshman            *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: BSR and WSR
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:04:55 GMT


In article <BuJ81z.LI4@rlyeh.multisys.com>, rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes...
>In article <1992Sep13.140302.4170@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
>=
>=Some TIers have been living in the U.S. for many years. To some of them, 
>=the impressions about KMT and Taiwan still remain in the 50s and 60s. 
>=Some of them may have been victims of past KMT political repression so 
>=that they want to see any KMT-related to be destroyed in their life time.
>=But their old KMT has gone into the history and they are still fighting 
>=with it. Sad.
>=
>=Learn lesson from the past and look forward are probably more healthy 
>=attitudes.
>=
> 
>IMHO, I believe a national criminal trial will be enough
>to justify that.
> 
>For example, who causes ROC isolated from other country and
>who is continue to cause ROC's isolated diplomatic
>relation with other countries.

PRC has caused ROC's diplomatic isolation. Mr. ROT please go to Beijing 
to bring those people to justice. Dont tell me you are afraid to go. 

>This is certainly a crime being committed against the welfare
>of the people in the Taiwan.
>If we do not punish those criminals, those criminals, followers
>and will be criminals certainly will keep committing crimes,
>since they know there will be no punishment for their crimes.

If your "ROT" causes the war between Taiwan and Mainland China and ruins
Taiwan. Do you agree you will be brought to criminal trial?
From: ccliu@amy.next.com (Chang-Chi Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Grow Up Please
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:55:41 GMT

Why is the big fuss about losing formal diplomatic ties with South Korea?     
I thought Taiwanes people were secure enough to deal with this incident  
more rationally.  Instead, so many netters acted like crying babies.  

All major U.S. press reported this event.  The implication to the U.S.  
seems to be that by establishing diplomatic relation with China, South  
Korea is more willing to face North Korea squarely, since China has been  
the only ardent supporter for North Korea, an extremely isolated, yet  
dangerous and worrisome regime. 

No one noticed the broken heart of poor Taiwan baby.  Sigh.  Such a cold,  
merciless society.
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Yun-Liang Soo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.222555.5501@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Aug30.230459.2115@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug30.193011.22704@wuecl.wustl.edu> anw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong) writes:
>> >
>>
> 
>[Other imaginary language evolution deleted]
> 
> 
>> For example, zan2men0 "we (including the addressee)" came
>> from Manchurian.
>>
> 
>I am suspicious that the Machurian spells we as "ZAN4". 
> 
>In Min-Nan and Hakka, you can find similar sounds for "we".
>In Min-Nan, it sounds "Lan4", and in Kakka, it is Zan. Same as Beiping 
>dialect (Note: I didn't use Mandarin. And it is called by the Mainlanders as
>PU-TON-HUA, common language). Today's Mandarin used in ROC doesn't use zan.
>(I wouldn't use the word "HOLO"; as a native speaker of Min-nan, I only heard
>Hakka called the dialect of Min-nan as "HOLO"). 

*****"Min-Nan" people call themselves HeLe slightly different from
HoLo which Keh Lang(Hakka people) used to call "Min-Nan" people.


> 
>[ Rest of a table is delete]
> 
>For this, you should read the documents and publications which detailed
>the origin of these Min-nan words which largely can only be found in
>ancient documents.
>-- 
>/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
> * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
>\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:13118 soc.culture.china:25253 soc.culture.hongkong:10648
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The AutuMid-Autumn Festival
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:35:41 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


The Moon Festival has a deeper meaning to me....I was born on August 16 (
Chase the Moon).  Moon cakes were my birthday cakes.  Lanterns were my 
birthday make-a-wish.  

Ray
-- 
Raymond K. Wong                                 
E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: Republic of Formosa
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:18:06 GMT

In article <92Sep07.154428.19990@acs.ucalgary.ca> bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.100250.29793@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
>>
>>.... but although the Formosa is Spanish name....
>
>Wrong.
>
>It's not Spanish, it's Portuguese.

Who care whether it is Portuguese or Spanish? California is part of
the US now and forever!