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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Summary: BWI <-> Washington D.C. ground transport
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:11:21
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: kmeyer@aero.org's message of 30 Sep 92 12:26:08

On 30 Sep 92 12:26:08, I asked:
> Recently there was a thread about the best way of getting from
> Baltimore Airport to Downtown D.C. via ground transport.  If someone
> saved these articles or has suggestions, please email me.

I had several responses and several requests for this information,
so I'm posting it here:

1. MARC Rail.  MARC Rail has an information line that provides station
location, schedule, and fare information from a touch tone phone, call
800-325-7245.  (800-325-RAIL).  According to that number, MARC's Penn
Line runs from Union Station in D.C. to BWI/Baltimore Airport with
continuing service to the University of Baltimore.  There is also a
MARC line that runs from Baltimore's Inner Harbor to Union Station in
D.C.  Cost is $5 one way, $9 round trip.

2. Bus Service.  According to various messages, there is also shuttle
bus service from BWI to downtown D.C.

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From: ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Transit Visa? (Germany)
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:55:15 GMT
Organization: ATE1 S7=255 S11=55 V1 X1 S0=0

In article <18485.2abf8644@ecs.umass.edu> rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>	However, I HAVE heard people mention that one needs a transit
>visa if going thru Germany. One of my friend, on his way back from 
>India, had to stop at Frft for some time (am not sure how many hrs.). 
>He was NOT allowed by the German security/immigration to board the
>flight from Frft to Kennedy because of lack of proper German visa !!!!
>

There are only 2 explanations:
1 your friend was a citizen of a country that requires Germans to
  have visa or
2 He misunderstood something. 

A further explanation might be that he had been declared persona non grata in
Germany, but we do things like this only to drug dealers and other 
criminals.

Anyway, *NO* US-citizen needs a Visa for any kind of stay in Germany for 
up to three months. If your travel agent tells you so, he just wants to make money .  Furthermore, if any German official )Customs, Immigration and so on
misintergrets his orders and thereby causes any costs, he is personally
responsable for these costs.


>	I would highly suggest that either you contact the travel agent,
>or airline or German Embassy to check the visa requirements or GET a visa
>before travelling. This I am saying becuz while taking a flight from 
>Kennedy airport (in June'92) to India, I asked the DELTA representative
>about visa requirements......he said that you'll need a visa if your
>stay is for over 24 hrs....
>
>	It's better to check first and then go becuz the German authorities
>might not be of much help if you land without visa...
>
>	Regards,
>
>			Rajat.
>
>PS: Also, in case you have to go to the "transit lounge", per se, then you
>    DO need a transit visa !!! The system in Germany is really weird !!!!
 
That is wrong.
From: haight@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (Tim Haight)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Upgrade Certs claimed
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:47:40 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

The United and Hilton upgrade certificates have been claimed.

Maybe next time.
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From: graeme@hart.actrix.gen.nz (Graeme Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: BAGGAGE AT CAROUSEL
Date: 27 Sep 92 7:40:15 GMT

RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino @ Motorola) once wrote....
>This might be an FAQ.
>Anyway, what prevents somebody (other passengers, airport personnel)
>from taking your baggage at the airport's baggage claim carousel ?
>Seems to me that anybody can get anything at that point.

Usually nothing, except usually by time the baggage is on the carousel
you're off the plane, and waiting for your bags, besides, the staff are
much better off pilfering the freight area, or getting at your bags
BEFORE they come off the plane :).

The only exception to this seems to be international flights, and in
that case you're picking up from a secure area, and have to go through
customs to get out.
----
Graeme Hart                                     Telephone:  64 4 3829124  
graeme@hart.actrix.gen.nz                       Snail Mail: PO Box 11865    
                                                            Wellington       
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: NEED Airline Operations Info !
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:50:31 GMT

<SALOMONE@NDSUVM1.BITNET> wrote: 
->PLEASE ! - If ANYONE has information on "inside" operations (or even a text
->file) of Airlines like United Airlines, etc.. or even Air Wisconsin /
->United Express and how they normally handle PASS privileges/benefits I would
->be grateful.

only if you can tell me what next week's lottery number will be.

honestly ... do you really expect to get replies to this?  people who
do reply to your query who work for those airlines probably risk their jobs if
their management figures out what happened ... 

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Tell if travel agency is legitimate?
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:59:45 GMT
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone on the net has any advice they could give me on
how to tell if a travel company is not a fly-by-night thing.

I'm looking to travel return from London, England to Banjul, Gambia (in
West Africa) and back in January of '93.

I have found tickets from "name" airlines are of the order of US$1500, but
I have found a company in London that sells them for around US$500.

Quite a difference! The name of the cheaper organisation is "The Gambia
Experience" and it'd be great if anyone here had any experience with them
that they could share.

Failing that, how can I tell that if I buy my ticket then I'll get my flight,
or at least my money back if the organisation doesn't deliver? I have heard
of something called the IATA. Is this relevant here?

Thanks for emailing any advice you can give.
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From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Luggage (was Re: AIRLINE SCAM (Was "Quantas and too much luggage"))
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:44:55 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

In article <1992Sep27.225807.27194@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington) writes:
> In article <1992Sep27.212735.3541@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
> 
> >--Ken, back from Asia
> 
> Welcome back,
> 
> 	Chris (heading for Australia in 4 days)

Have a good one,

        Nitin (going to Cleveland tomorrow)

(just kidding)  :-) :-)
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From: mdivya@world.std.com (Marigowda Divya)
Subject: Re: I need a coupon for air ticket
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:01:12 GMT

narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan) writes:

>i'd like to travel bay area->philadelphia and back,. but all fares
>i checked are $500 or so. If anyone has a coupon that they are not
>using, please let me know. I'd like to travel in october, with a 
>saturday night stay etc.

>i remember that continental had some coupons for $189, but am
>not sure they'd be valid right now..........

>please email. thanks.
>pankaj

>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Pankaj Narayan			Email: narayan_pankaj@tandem.com
>Tandem Computers			  


I read in SF newspaper Travel column, that if you open an account
at Coast Federal Savings Bank (supposedly located through out California)
you can get Travel Certificates for travel on NW Airlines; roundtrip
travel to the Northeast is supposed to be $278 roundtrip; I am sure
there will be several restrictions.  Hope it will work out for you.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with this Bank; if its one of those
insolvent Banks, don't blame me;  I am just passing on the information
that I read in the newspaper (I think it was Sep 13th Sunday Travel section)

divya
(mdivya@world.std.com)
From: jkim@ece.arizona.edu (Jinwoo Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap Fare to Asia
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:41:46 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: U of Arizona Electrical and Computer Engineering

Dear netter,

I'm looking for consolidator or courier travel agency
on west coast area (e.g. PHX, LA, SFO, SEA/TAC). 
I am going to travel to Asia (e.g. Japan, Korea)
on next weekend.  I appreciate if somebody send me 
their phone number.(Or other way to travel cheap!)

   email : jkim@helios.ece.arizona.edu
From: bakker@cs.uq.oz.au (Paultje Bakker)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aircraft Age
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:19:07 GMT
Reply-To: bakker@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Depts. of Computer Science & Psychology, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia

In article <KMEYER.92Sep28125257@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>
>Average Age of the Fleets of Major U.S. Airlines (as of First Quarter 1992)
>
>TWA			18.0 years
>Northwest		16.2 years
>Continental		14.4 years
>United			11.5 years
>USAir			10.2 years
>American		 9.2 years
>Southwest		 6.9 years
>America West		 6.6 years
-------------------------------------
Qantas			 4.1 years

(approximately; this statistic features in a new Qantas ad that shows a
old man and a young boy and claims: "Our airline is as old as the
grandfather, our planes are as young as his grandson".

paultje

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computer science/ psychology  >   not lend itself as a pointer to
university of qld 4072        >   intellect, ... "
terra australis               >   The (British) Sunday Telegraph, 1992
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From: majidh@atlastele.com (Majid Hajari)
Subject: UA ticket voucher Forsale (US to Europe)
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:59:45 GMT



FOR SALE:
	2 travel vouchers - US to Europe (Round Trip) on United or 
	United partners.  (Minimum Bid $600 each)
	
	Note: these are fully tranferable vouchers. You tell me when and
	      where you like to go and I purchase the ticket under 
	      your name.

Please respond with e-mail
From: ammann@cs.sfu.ca (Ammann Manuel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: BA Frequent Flyer Partners
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:04:58 GMT
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Only persons with a residential address in the UK
are eligible for BA Frequent Flyer Program.

Partners of BA are USAir and Canadian.

So, if you fly BA, collect USAir or Canadian
FF miles.

( Canadian FF miles are guaranteed only until 12/93...
Nobody knows yet what will happen after that date due
to the merger with Air Canada )

...
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Aircraft Age
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:52:57
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org


I don't recall seeing this information in any of the FAQ lists, and
thought readers might find it interesting.  The following little
factoid was published in the LA Times travel section yesterday:

Average Age of the Fleets of Major U.S. Airlines (as of First Quarter 1992)

TWA			18.0 years
Northwest		16.2 years
Continental		14.4 years
United			11.5 years
USAir			10.2 years
American		 9.2 years
Southwest		 6.9 years
America West		 6.6 years

(LA Times' source: Avitas, Inc.)

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From: haight@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (Tim)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Upgrade Certs
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:59:53 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

I have two "Confirmed One-way Upgrade Certificates"  good on United
Airlines for travel completed NLT 15 November 1992.  They can only
be used on FULL FARE tickets.

I also have two Space-A upgrades to a Towers floor or best available
room (excluding suites) at any HILTON Hotel through Dec 31.

They are yours for the asking -- just let me know why I should spend
$.29 to mail them to you.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: selling tickets on rec.travel.air
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.194604.6060@morrow.stanford.edu>
puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) whines:

>It would really help if self-annointed newsgroup presidents

Took their own advice.

> minded their own
>business.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: praim@fraser.sfu.ca (Praim Sankar)
Subject: BWIA
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:28:45 GMT

A while back someone asked about BWIA. I replied and now 
I would like to know how the trip went.
Please e-mail with your impression of the airline.
  

I
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: BA, frequent flier mileage for a trip to far east -- need info.
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:26:16 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <90851@netnews.upenn.edu> sajja@central.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev Sajja) writes:
>hi. I am planning to take a flight on british airways in dec. to india
>from philadelphia. The question i have is that can i get frequent flier
>miles on USAir for the entire trip. phila-london-bombay-london-phila.

>i have heard rumors that only the phila-london leg can get miles..
>Does anyone have any first hand information on this..

First, call the USAir Frequent Traveler Program for information from
the horse's mouth.  The toll-free number is 1-800-872-4738.

According to my copy of the Rules and Regulations (dated September
1991) flights to and from "any BA destination worldwide excluding
Pakistan, India, the Caribbean, Mexico, Central and South America"
will earn miles.  Therefore, according to this document, you are out
of luck.  But again, rec.travel.air's readers are not USAir FT.  Call
to be sure.

However, because of the pending BA/USAir "merger", it might be a good
idea to join British Airways' frequent flier program, get the miles
between London and Bombay in *that* program, and hope that when the
merger goes through, BA and USAir merge their frequent flier programs
and you get the full benefit of your flight to India.  But, the merger
is not certain, and even if it were, there is no guarantee that USAir
and BA will merge their programs.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Luggage (was: AIRLINE SCAM)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:19:22 GMT

kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) wrote: 
->...  When you then get to the gate to board
->the plane, the gate agents may say "that's too much hand luggage, we'll
->have to check that in."  Which is what you wanted in the first place!
->They generally won't weigh it or start charging you for excess
->baggage.  They just want to get the plane going, and will just have
->someone carry your bags down the stairs and load it directly onto the
->plane.

this is good advice, but you must be careful: since they're in a hurry
to get this done, less care may be taken in tagging your bags ... so
INSIST that they let you check the tags you get against the bags
they're checking ...  it could be the difference between getting your
bags back, or not.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Govenment subsidy: Was Re: Aircraft Age
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:43:30 GMT
Organization: McGill University

> I *hate* government aircraft
> subsidies (read: airbus, who is owned by various European Governments).
>
> --Helen
> --
> Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
> Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
> Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
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women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org

All the American aircraft companies owe their existence due
to govenment subsidies in the form of military contracts.
I much prefer the european subsidy since that didn't
result in weapons of destruction.
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From: Anand.Rao@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Anand Rao)
Subject: Charge Card for ticket purchase (Q)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:33:41 GMT

My travel agent booked round-trip tickets to India (British Air) for me. 
However, she told me that she can not accept charge card for British
Air... She would accept credit card if the tickets were booked on
Lufthansa.  What's the deal?!  
 Should I be smelling a rat here? 
 What about the travel insurance provided by the credit card companies?

Thanks for your input! :-)
---AR
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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: PIA crash-some interesting facts
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:57:22 GMT

	        	PIA Crash-some facts

  The recent crash near Katmandu was the worst in PIA's history with a death
roll of 167. The earlier major disasters of PIA were near Cairo in 1965 (121
dead) and in Saudi Arabia in 1979 (156 dead).
  This was only the second fatal crash of an Airbus A300 in over 15 years of
operation-an excellent safety record. In fact, the other fatal crash was that
of the Iran Air plane which was shot down by an US ship in 1988-so, strictly
speaking, the Katmandu crash was the only "genuine" fatal crash of this
aircraft type.
  Similarly, the Airbus A310 has an excellent record. It has been flying since
the early 80s and has had only one fatal crash-which was at Katmandu in July 
1992.
  I wonder what there is in Katmandu which has caused the two crashes of
aircraft with such a good safety record.
  However, the Airbus A320 has a somewhat worse record. It started flying in
the late 80s and has had 3 fatal crashes so far-Mulhouse (1988), Bangalore
(1990) and Strasbourg (1992).
  Another interesting fact was that of two major crashes occurring in a
short period. Two days before the PIA crash there was another crash of a
Nigerian military C-130 in which over 180 were killed. Similarly, on July
31 there were two major crashes-the Thai Airways crash near Katmandu and
another in China. Each crash had a death roll of over 100.
  A few other examples of accidents occurring in pairs was cited in a news
report. There were two major crashes (of a South African 747 and a Korean
707) in a two-day period in 1987. Another example was of two major crashes
in Spain and Canada in a two-day period in 1970. A few other examples of
this type were given. Maybe astrologers will have something to say about
this.
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Subject: Re: BAGGAGE AT CAROUSEL
From: Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Aaron Roydhouse)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:15:41 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Victoria Uni. of Wellington, NZ.


Carol Denehy write:

> When the only bag left looked an awful lot like mine but wasn't mine,
> I guessed what had happened.

I think mistaken identity is more common than theft. However one thing
that may help both situations is to have distinctive baggage. I make
sure to travel with clearly defaced baggage - be it a sticker
collection or stripes of insulation tape.

Buy one of those neat blue plastic jobs - get out your black marker
and sign it in foot-high writing. Better still render an amateur
self-portrait on it.  Get your kids to draw and aeroplane on it for
you.

Not only can you recognise your baggage easily - but noone is likely
to mistake it for their own (or be seen dead carrying it :-). Also, I
would guess a luggage thief might shy away from such a distinctive
bag. When your favourite airline looses it, it's pretty easy to
describe.

Sound sensible?

Aaron.
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Twenty Five Dollar Rule and Schedule changes Question
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:54:08 GMT

If I've got to pay $25 to change my itinery, why doesn't the airline
have to pay me if it makes a schedule change? 

I'm slightly angry because there were two competing airlines and i booked
on the more convenient one.  Since I got the tickets, they have had a
schedule change and they are now certainly a LOT LESS convenient (longer
layover and formerly non stop flights are now one stop flights)

Do i have any rights here?
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