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From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:27:38 GMT



The Los Angeles Times reported on Friday that Richard Rouillard,
Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE, the national gay and lesbian bi-weekly,
had stunned staffers by resigning on Thursday July 23.

No reason was given. Anyone hear about this and have any inside dish?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 54 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8919 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door."
                                                                 -Harvey Milk
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surviving (was Re: Getting Something off My Chest)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:05:58 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>For any of you
>currently thinking of it, my plea is: please don't.  Please
>get help instead.  I can't tell you how relieved I am now
>that I didn't do that to my mother and all the others who
>love me.

"Please don't end that utter pain you feel, I'll be hurt."

I know that the issues of remaining families go deeper than that, but
it is essentially what I hear, from far more people than you. It also
strikes me as shit.

It needs a rephrase.

The reason for continuing to live when living hurts so bad you want to
end the pain, should be that there might be a way out to make life
liveable again, not that _others_ want you to continue.

				FJ!! (Sorry about the typo's. I'm about
				to get a migraine, and my vision is
				going crazy with interference
				patterns.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: *BIG* *RED* *JOBS*
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:53:02 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) wrote: 
->the most important one, of course, is in my group (computer
->facilities).  there are other jobs for entry-level and mid-level
->engineers in another group (these were described on misc.jobs.offered a
->few weeks ago ... i can dig this up if you like).  

here is the other job description ... respond as directed below, and
be sure to say i sent you ...

Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: OO Software Development
Reply-To: resume@ADS.COM
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: ba
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300
Keywords: 

Advanced Decision Systems, a division of Booz, Allen, and Hamilton is
looking for a few junior and mid-level technical staff to join our
team in Mountain View, California. We combine research in information
sciences with software development to build high technology
information processing systems for government and commercial clients.
We use state-of-the-art technology in text processing, multimedia
information retrieval, model-based reasoning, data analysis, and
object oriented development methodologies.

Required skills and qualifications include:
        - Experience developing software systems for Unix platforms
          including Sun SparcStations.
        - Thorough understanding and experience with object oriented
          software development.
        - Experience with C++.
        - X-windows.
        - Strong communication and interpersonal skills.
        - The ability to step up to tough assignments.
        - Strong problem solving skills.
        - U.S. citizen.

The following skills are a definite plus:
        - InterViews (the windowing system, not the ability to converse).
        - Application development using relational and OO databases.
        - Strong analytic skills.
        - Related technology experience including: information
        - retrieval, text processing, bayesian networks, automated
          reasoning, model-based reasoning, knowledge-based systems,
          tracking, or multimedia application development.
        - Knowledge of other platforms including NeXT, OS/2, and Macintosh.
        - A desire and willingness to travel.
        - Clearances.

If you enjoy being part of a tight-knit team and thrive on bringing
high technology into real systems, then you would enjoy working with
us. Send you resume via email (ASCII text only please, other formats
will not be read) to resume@ads.com or send the nicely formatted
version by using fax or regular mail to:
        Charisse Arenas
        Booz, Allen, and Hamilton
        1500 Plymouth Street
        Mountain View, CA 94043
        FAX: (415) 960-7500

        Please, no phone calls.



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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: video of _Lost Language of Cranes_
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:03:30 GMT

In <1992Jul24.193256.7877@hubcap.clemson.edu> pjames@hubcap.clemson.edu (perry r james) writes:

>Hi,
>   I just finished reading _The Lost Language of Cranes_ yesterday.  What
>a great book.  Unfortunatly, I did not get to see the movie on PBS.  The
>wise ones in charge of South Carolina's Educational Television saw fit to 
>protect us from ourselves and not air it.  Does anyone know where I can
>get a copy on tape?  If it's not available commercially, would some kind
>soul make me a copy?
>   Thanks for any help, 
>   Perry

   Make it 2 of us and for the same 'protective measures'.
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:34:56 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <l7gk16INN2e9@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>I still think gay liberation is about knowing who Margaret Rutherford was.

>I must not be liberated yet - who's Margaret Rutherford?

Um, yeah, who?

>(And no snide comments about my queer card. See the photo of me and
>Johnny "sweet thang" Dorrance skipping in the park hand in hand, first)

Just *skipping* with me is proof of queerdom! I've come a long way,
baby.

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:13:02 GMT

> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>                                                   ...Diana Ross also
>appeared momentarily in a transparent top and black vinyl pants. I
>don't think I had ever seen her breasts before. Scandalous.

Original, or add-on, do you suppose?
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:30:37 GMT
 <1992Jul30.082104.22492@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Organization: University of Maine System

there are also lesbians who like anal penetration and
stimulation.  if a sensation feels good, it feels good.
period.  queer men do not n=have the market cornered
on sensitive anuses (ani??).  the point is who is doing it
with you, not what it is they're doing.

just because some peopel might "feel weird" asking someone
to do somethign doesn't mean that no people wish to do it...

                                         -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:29:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul30.213905.22437@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>and to ask for some words in celebration of effeminacy
>(which i find subtly but significantly attractive in other gay men -
>surely others can praise these pleasures better than i can?)

I can't, but I can certainly agree.  I used to wonder about that - why do I
find a little effeminancy attractive, when you're conditioned to want
macho?  Perhaps it's *because* we're conditioned to want macho.  IN any
case, I don't worry about it any more. 

Being willing to show effeminancy, in our culture, requires a lot of inner
strength.  Perhaps I admire the people who haven't caved in.

Of course, I live in California, where even the stereotypically macho male
occupations like automobile mechanics have lots of sensitive men (where
sensitive=effeminant to many people), so I may have a perverted view of
things.  All the better, I say. 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.224611.3640@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.013635.22037@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>  Suppose
>>  a white het male is Jewish, an atheist, an anarchist, a leftist, and so on.
>>  Would such a person have an automatic "in" into the power elite? I think
>>  not.
>
>I think so.  I am Jewish, an atheist and a leftist.  When my Judaism is not
>known, I do indeed have an automatic "in" into the power elite.  I benefit
>from its privilege daily.
>-- 
You are? Gee I'm a white het male and I can fake the leftist part.
I have a degree in economics, could you swing a good summer job for me
[too late for this summer] for that matter a good part time job during
the semester would be nice, Sure just call yoour connections [being a 
member of the elite..
Luh I hate to bust peoples buble, but white het males don't go around
organizing meeting on how to keepo  others down [only feminazis do that]
It's not a conspiracy, geez this reminds me of a SNL skit
where eddie murphy disguised himself as a white person,
he goes into a store, adn finds out that he dosen't have to pay
GO onto a bus to find when the only black person gets off they start partiing
etc etc, well I am here to say I have to pay and bus rides suck.


From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:31:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Engineer bashing > Ayoye!
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>I'm glad to see Dartmouth's fairly weak distributive program (three courses
>in each area: humanities, social sciences, sciences) turned into a more
>rigorous core curriculum, myself, and wish they'd done it for us...
----------
I was in college (Grinnell) when the distributive requirements were
being relaxed, i.e. few specific requirements, but a minimum number
of hours to be taken outside one's major division.  I had completed
all the old requirements except for P.E., and I was glad to be allowed
to skip that one. 

In general, I'm in favor of a core curriculum, but I guess it's rough
on engineers, sometimes turning their B.S. into a 5-year proposition.
I know very few engineers here who can communicate well in writing.
I'm not sure if more requirements in the humanities would remedy this,
though; I think it starts earlier than college.

Me, I'm called an engineer, but my only degree is in Russian.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: homophobes sabotaging motss (was Re: There was this sign in the window...)
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:27:38 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <11421@optilink.UUCP> cr*m*r@*pt*l*nk.**CP (Cl*yt*n Cr*m*r) writes:

[some blather]

Does anyone know how often Cl*yt*n picks up a posting from soc.motss,
(in this case, the ambulance driver thing), disagree with a basic
tenet in it, quote the *entire* article and add his two sentences of
nonsense, and then crosspost it into talk.politics.misc?

As we all know, Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc crossposts
are the bane of soc.motss. Crossposting generates 3/4 of our noise
traffic, and talk.politics.misc is the worst of the lot. Cl*yt*n
understands this - he's been reading motss long enough. Is there any
way to interpret this other than as an act of deliberate sabotage?

Special clue for the impaired - we don't *care* what homophobes think
about discussions here. Furthermore, if we cared what
talk.politics.misc thought about our threads, we'd post them there.
Stop crossposting things maliciously.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                         I can live forever in formaldehyde
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The B-Word
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:12:57 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Jul20.173859.138101@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>Jess has a quote in his files, that he used quite appropriately in a
>posting the other day on how to be friends with a black man, and I
                                                         ^^^
>think maybe it fits in here as well. I don't know if it does; perhaps
>Jess will comment on that.

Pat Parker was a lesbian poet and activist.  
<> The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black.  Second,
<> you must never forget that I'm Black.
<> -- Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"

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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Codes and such....
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:35:09 GMT

In article <BrKLIq.5v2@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
>Hiya,
>     Out of a sick sense of fun (sick being the amount of mail this'll
>likely generate) I've decided to compile a list of meanings to all the
>codes (bear, smurf, ect).

    What, pray tell is the ect code?

    Whatever it is, there's no room in my .sig for it anyhow.

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From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Portland reflections (short form)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:57:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.234037.8218@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.230520.23563@osf.org> coren@osf.org (that's me) writes:
> 
> >Thanks to all the locals who made it possible (Alan & Mark,
> >organizers; Nelson, who keeps insisting that he didn't do anything;
> >Chris M., compiler of packets; others too numerous to mention); and
> >thanks to all who were there, for making it great.
> 
> Well, I don't insist that I did nothing to insure that people in
> Portland enjoyed themselves, dear. 

I should think not, indeed! And I should know. :-)
  Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: scottj@gumedlib.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Followup-To: soc.motss,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:56:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: iamac-1.georgetown.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul30.012943.16345@syacus.acus.oz.au>,
brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) wrote:
> You've got the tools to help those less priveleged than you.  To refuse so
> callously to help tear down the bigotries that we all labour under heaps
> contempt on everyone.

Myself, I combat bigotry by personally judging people only by the content
of
their characters and never by their appearance, gender, sexual preference,
etc.  This is all I should be expected to do.  If everybody did what I did,
there would be no bigotry, so how can this be wrong?  Note that judging
people's characters means judging them harshly if they themselves are
bigots.

--John Scott
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:01:44 GMT

In article <11420@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Do you know ANYONE who is willing to defend the position that "faggots
>are subhuman and therefore they are okay to kill"?  I don't anyone
>who takes that view.

Ask Paul Broussard, nitwit.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:56:05 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky):
>              UNGAY GAY
>   GWM, 22, college student, feels disgusted by the

oh, ours is a mathematics major who is 80% straight
and seeks only straight boys.  i don't have those
credentials even if i am femme... :-)
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:58:30 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <28JUL92.18364204@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>>Sim looks like Jesus would if he were a '90's queer,

>I never thought of Jesus as being particularly attractive..

I always thought he was really sexy in an ethnic kinda way. Jesus more
than Sim. Not to say that Sim *isn't* sexy...

>>when my hair loses shape and falls over my face I'm told I look more
>>like Cousin It.

>But why would your hair lose shape and fall over your face, unless you
>were looking down or something?

You got the idea. It helps the Cousin It illusion if the bowed head is
held over something to give the illusion of a floor. Something like,
say, a stomach. Don't ask how I know this...

>>>There's a dearth of chicks, though...
>>Three eventually showed.  Wish there were more...

>I wish there were more women, too, although this wishing is sort of
>useless - just white male guilt.

I don't think that's all it is. I woulda liked having more dykes in
attendance. Dykes and fags are different, ya know?

>Is it a problem? Are there women who
>did not come to the con, knowing they'd be outnumbered 20 to 1?

I hope that isn't a problem, but know it probly is part of it...

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:02:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.174506.18069@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>fj> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
>gs> Gary Strand
>
>fj> with total disregard of things like peer-pressure, basic mine-is-mine
>fj> like-me-not-like-me instincts. People aren't rational.
>
>gs> I disagree strongly. [...] [Y]ou are a sufficiently rational person. Now, 
>gs> why do you believe so few others are?
>
>fj> Groups aren't.
>
>  But you don't interact with groups, you interact with individuals.



Wrong.  Completely wrong.  When I am in a business relationship, I am not
dealing with an individual, I am dealing with a portion of an organization
(or group).  Even when the rest of the group are not around, the group
rules hold.


FWA
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32127 soc.bi:9349
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:32:01 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>There are good monos and there are bad monos, just like with everything else.

Yep, there are good monkeys and bad monkeys.

					FJ!! (This is the Spanish
					thread, ain't it? It ain't?
					Sorry..)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:48:56 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <l78d51INNavl@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.025707.2068@macc.wisc.edu> 
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>It's my understanding that the city council approved placing
>the monument on city property, but that the monument itself
>was paid for by gl organizations.

To play the Devil's advocate, what's so different about the
OCA putting up a monument on city property in Springfield,
Oregon, then, if political clout alone is enough to ratify
such a step?

>>>>The city places emphasis on gay and lesbian
>>>>issues because we are the single largest voting block in
>>>>the city.

>>The council should do its part to
>>promote a just society, not because one segment of the
>>society has the largest voting block, but because it's the
>>right thing to do.

>Now, whether
>they act out of a desire to promote social justice (remotely
>possible) or to keep their seats on the city council (more
>likely, say I) it doesn't really matter to me what their
>motivations are.

It's up to you, of course, but I think it should matter to
you what their motivations are.  You're as much as saying
the distinction is superficial, yet it doesn't seem at all
superficial to me.

>>>>And if the phobes don't like it, they're welcome
>>>>to move to a city 35% of whose residents are not gay.  I'm
>>>>sure they'd be able to find such cities. 

>>Carl is right to call this a bigoted remark.  It's analogous
>>to "If those folks are annoyed by the Stars and Bars, let
>>'em get up north."

>Perhaps it was a bigoted remark.  I'm not terribly
>concerned, though.

Well, perhaps you should be.  How can you have such a
callous disregard for the results of bigotry as to feign
being unconcerned at the same time as you complain about
being discriminated against?  Being unconcerned about it is
to have no moral stature at all.  You're surely not that
much of a cynic nor a nihilist, Arne.

-- 
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