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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Status of Okoye and Browner?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:09:53 GMT

jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ) writes:

>Also, who picked up Joey Browner?  Thanks.
Joey was signed by Tampa Bay.  Ex-Vikings defensive coordinator Floyd Peters
now is the defensive head for the Bucs.  The bare-bones account in the St. Paul
Pioneer Press of the Bucs victory over the Cards on Sunday made no mention of 
Browner.    

John Ganske      -------------------------
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bucs coach
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:04:50 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep3.205105.9239@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know who the new coach of Tampa Bay is? Not that it will make
> a whole lot of difference.


Its Sam Wyche.  Actually I think it will make a lot of difference.
Throughout his career he has been an innovator and developer of QB's.
If the main problem with Tampa is Vinny then I think that Sam will
help out quite a bit.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Colts starter vs Houston
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:36:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.173502.16444@cs.rose-hulman.edu> statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
>
>
[stuff deleted]

>     Does anyone know if the Colts actually used the no-huddle against  
>Cleveland?  I follow the Colts really closely but I didn't SEE the game so I  
>don't know if they used it or not...
>
>Scott E. States
>    

I stayed for the entire game (first time since 1990 or earlier) and they
didn't use the no-huddle offense.

Ed
-- 
Edwin G. Green
AT&T Bell Laboratories          Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
INH 1E-506                      317-845-3659
egg@inuxy.att.com
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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Keywords: n
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.173528.5603@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>,
robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep10.145345.16369@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca
(Patrick Power) writes:
|>>      IMHO, Detroit has the better OLine.  Dallas has a converted DL playing
|>>tackle, an ex-USFLer playing guard, 2yr man EWilliams has less than
10 starts.
|>>I believe Lomas Brown was selected by his peers for Pro Bowl honors.  I know
|>>Detroit has been hurt by some big losses, but Dallas hasn't had a Pro Bowl
|>>OLineman in nearly 10 years.
|>
|>Come on, just because Nate Newton played in the USFL does not mean he is not
|>one hell of an offense lineman.  Just like most offense lineman it took 
|>Nate a few years to adjust to the pro-level.  He did this starting in the
|>USFL instead of backing up in the NFL, big deal.  He damn well should have
|>been in the Pro Bowl last year, but the Pro Bowl is not who is best in a 
|>year but who has a rep for being the best.  
|>
|>So what if a lineman was converted from the DL.  Remember the great offense
|>lines of yesteryear for the Cowboys.  Check where the played in college.
|>
|>
|>And as for E Williams, just ask Charles Mann how good this kid is.  He has
|>made Mann disappear in the last two Dallas vs. Washington games.  Pretty 
|>damn impressive don't you think.
|>
|>I don't know which line is better since I know nothing about Detroit's line, 
|>but your attempt to put down the Cowboys OL shows that either you know 
|>nothing about football except for stats or that you just want to bash the
|>Cowboys.
|>
|>
|>Robert
                             
   Robert I believe P. Power has always hated the Cowboys........
   Just kidding.   P. Power is Mr. Cowboy at BNR.  No way you label
   him a Cowboy  BASHER, maybe a bit shallow on stats.......:)


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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: The Battle Of The Titans!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:45:22 GMT


	Battle of the Titans????  Give me a break?  What with Steve Young and Jim
Kelly throwing for 7000 yds. a piece, I'd think their defensive guys need to take
a hard look in the mirror.  No, maybe they shouldn't.  With such an UGLY display
of defense the mirror would crack.

	Sure, I agree, a high scoring Super Bowl would be entertaining, but
you've got to have defense to make it deep into the playoffs.   (Well, maybe not
in the AFC.  In the AFC, all you need is a high powered offense on one side, and
a World League caliber defense on the other to make it).  And although Buffalo 
fans may not agree with me, I really don't want to see the Bills again in the 
Stupor Bowl with their vaunted No-Huddle/No-Defense team.  :) (I'd rather see
maybe the Chiefs or the Oilers.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Subject: Re: Afterthoughts on Raiders/Denver
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:38:48 GMT

In article <40972@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com> maurit@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Mark Aurit <maurit>) writes:
>As a Raiders fan, I was unhappy that they lost a game they should
>have won. But in retrospect, I cant help but feel glad that Im
>backing the losing Raiders than the winning Broncos.
>
>As I said, the Raiders had the game in vitually every important
>position (sure, Schroeders no Elway - but then very few are). All
>they need to do is a little fine tuning and they certainly have
>the firepower and defense to make a very respectable showing of
>themselves. Hey, Bell and Dickerson in the same backfield!
>
>Denver, on the other hand, was lucky - and while there is nothing
>wrong with being lucky, you cant count on it, and defensively and
>offensively they were really weak. 
>
>Anyone else feel the same?
>
>Mark
>maurit@nrtc.northrop.com

Hmmm, I seem to remember a similar game in the LA Coliseum last year...
Yeah, yeah... but the roles seemed to be reversed if I remember 
correctly.

A win is a win and I'll take it.

Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
my opinions are my own...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paul@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Paul Asmar)
Subject: Steelers beat the Oilers!!
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:27:14 GMT


I watched the game at Ceaser's Palace in Las Vegas, and about 95% of the
people watching were rooting for the Oilers.  After the Oilers were up 14-0,
everyone was talking about how horrible Pittsburgh was and how they didn't
belong in the NFL.  All I can say is it was *very* sweet to watch the Steelers
come back and humiliate the Oilers outscoring them 29-10 the rest of the game.

Pittsburgh's defense played pretty good, considering they were playing one
of the best offenses in the league.  Warren Moon has been a little bit
erratic the last couple of years.  He has made a lot of bad plays lately.
One of the interceptions he threw was one of the worst I have ever seen.
It looked like he panicked and didn't know what to do with the football.
He has had some of his worst games against the Steelers.  That's good
because I hate the Oilers!

I was really impressed with the offense.  For the first time in nearly a
decade (well maybe I am exaggerating a bit), I saw the offense pass on
first down, go long, and try different things to keep the Oiler defense
confused.  The play calling is *much* better than it has been the last
5 or 6 years.  Also, Neil O'Donnell made some great plays; he didn't
just fold after making a couple of mistakes.  And, the fake on the punt,
there was pretty awesome!!  That's not something the Steelers normally do.
I like the new look!  I just hope they keep it up.

GO STEELERS!!

					- Paul
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Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: EARLY GAMES: Final Scores
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:24:59 GMT

Sunday, 13 September - EARLY GAMES
 
        Dallas          34                      Minnesota       17
    F   NY Giants       28                  F   Detroit         31
 
        Green Bay        3                      Chicago          6
    F   Tampa Bay       31                  F   New Orleans     28
 
        Atlanta         17                      Seattle          7
    F   Washington      24                  F   Kansas City     26
 
        LA Raiders      21
  F/OT  Cincinnati      24
 

Bob ... Internet Pool: Game Record   5- 2
                       Points       41-10

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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Leagues 1992-1993
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From: xenidis@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Jimi X)
Subject: Football Pool programs
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:55:31 GMT


Does anyone out there have a good Public domain program for running
football pools and keeping statistics ????

It any be in and laguage even unix shell or a lotus spread sheet..
I would really like to see it !


-thanks
						-jimi x


the opinions expressed here are mine...
			...so leave them alone!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Jets-Atlanta / Instant reply
From: Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 16:42:19 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

First, let me be the first to say that instant replay SHOULD NOT RETURN.

Instant replay was detrimental to the game the last few years (IMHO). Just
because there were two fumbles where the Jets obviously should have been       d
awarded the ball does not mean we should all start screaming for its return. We
shouldn't forget the aggrevation it caused when it existed due to the inability
of the officiating crews to make proper use of the decision making tool which
they were given.

Officials are only human, they will make mistakes, as will our favorite
players. And some of those mistakes will be big ones, but thats part of
the game (part of any sport), though we arm chair QB's wish it weren't
part of ours.

I thought Browning Nagle handled himself very well in his first outing.
Granted he made some rookie mistakes, but he also showed the poise of
a veteran as well. I think the Jets have a bright future with him as
their QB.

Final Scores for those reading the net but who have no radio and tv
at thier disposal (now how many of us can that be? :))...



Eagles      15       Saints      13
Bills       40       Rams         7
Bears       27       Lions       24
Falcons     20       Jets        17
Steelers    29       Houston     24
Colts       14       Browns       3

Scores as I know them...

Vikings     20       Packers     20      (Currently in OT)
49ers        7       Giants       7
Chiefs       7       Chargers     3
Seahawks     3       Bengals      0
Cardinals    3       Buccaneers   0

                                          Nelson "Handley will be the death of
                                                  me yet" Broat
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge)
Subject: Re: Neal Anderson
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:33:41 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

  I'm all for keeping Neal. I can't imagine watching the Bears without
him. If Ditka wants to use other RBs to keep Neal healthy for the
playoff run, I don't mind. But when the game is on the line, very few
are better at getting in the end zone when they're inside the 5.
  Besides Neal is on my fantasy team & he probably wouldnt be as
important a part of another team's offense, as he is in the Bears' offense.
  The main thing I noticed during the game was that, whenever Neal tried
to run there was NO hole to run through. Except for the TD run, the OL
never gave him a decent hole to hit. I dont know if its a coincidence or
what, but a RB can't be effective if there is no hole to at least try to
run through.
 
Wayne
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:06:49 GMT

JOHN HEIM (heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Sep11.145302.8882@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
> 
> All this is aside from the fact that Madden is popular not because 
> he's intellectual but because he's colorful.
> 
> >I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with me.
> >I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
> >knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..
> 
> Segments like this are interesting to more people than you might think.  
> I think there's an opportunity for a lot of humor there.
> 
> JGH


I thought that JM comentary was for the people who did know **MUCH** about
Football, as most of his comments seem to be explainations.

That is why i **think** he is so popular as a commenatator in Oz.

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas/Skins Wrapup + *icednotes*
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:30:13 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <auwen.716312399@convex.convex.com> auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:
>The Cowboys coaches were a little frustrated by the media calling it a poor
>outing by Aikman.  This was the result of a rather simplistic scheme for 
>evaluating his performance: pass velocity.   Norv Turner said
>that he thought it was one of Aikman's best outings due to all the other
>aspects of his play.  He specifically mentioned stepping up in the pocket.
>

You are kindof inferring that I got my impression of Aikman's
performance from the media, I did not.  I felt that whether it was the
slick ball or Aikman having a poor outing that his passes were less
sharp and less accurate than what I had seen in the preseason, and
they were.  I saw him go through almost the entire preseason throwing
passes that were better than 80% of the junk he threw Monday night.
Don't get me wrong, the team won and Aikman was (as always) a big part
of that.  However, he can be much more consistent and I think will
still come out with a much better PASSING game against the Giants.

As for stepping up in the pocket, I guess I over generalized game.  He
did do better at stepping up, running several times for good yardage
and even stepping up 2 or 3 times.  I saw him avoid two big hits this
was as well, which is probably all the coaches were looking for.
However, although he showed improvement (which I did not mention,
unfortunately), he still has a lot to learn about pocket movement...

Other Notes:

* the rumor that Haley had some unkind works for Aikman may be totally
false (it was rumored that he had made some reference to Aikman
carrying Montana's jock).  I have heard from several people in the
Dallas area that have said that a radio personality has taken credit
for making a joke about that.  Apparently Mr. FRED EDELSTEIN, esteemed
(NOT!) columnist for ESPN and Prodigy let his imagination run wild and
reported a story based entirely in imagination....

* players on the IR that can be activated after week #4:
  DE - Tony Hill (Hamstring, yeah, right...)
  WR - Jimmy Smith (broken leg, soon healed)
  OL - Melvin Evans

* players on the Pysically Unable to Perform List, available after
  week #7:
  RB - Ricky Blake
  WR - Tim Daniel
  DB - Gregg Briggs (I still want to see him play)
  et al.

* Phil Simms gets the start vs. the Cowboys this week

* Casillas should start over Noonan, Maryland is still doubtful with a
broken toe.  No word on Curvin Richards lacerated kidney.

* Haley has an injured ankle, but he will play.

* Key matchups: Michael Irvin vs. Everson Walls
                Haley & Co. vs. Pass Blocking of Giants
                Veteran Phil Simms vs Rookie R. Jones
                E. Smith vs. aging Giants LB


                     *ice*
From: hunter@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: N.E. Patriots
Date: 14 Sep 1992 01:56:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I'm just testing trying to post.

I read how some Raider fans are having their hearts ripped out week to week.
I can understand that being a Pats fan. What the hell, things have changed
but winning alot takes heart breaking time. Fans like us just can't wait
thats all. Stick by your Raiders and i'll stick by my Pats. The time WILL
come.
       George B. aka:hunter@wpi.wpi.edu   PATRIOTS FAN ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!

       


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GOOOOOO....PATS 11-5 in 92                          Worcester, Massachusetts
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Summary: Bills vs. Niners, week 2
Keywords: Niners Bills
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep11.162012.24024
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In an article re: "Buffalo Bills are underdogs", jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
(John P. Gloria) writes:

> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!  Why is it that practically all knowledgable
> football sportcasters, Vegas, coaches, etc., have picked the
> Niner's as favorites?  Because they are a better football team,
> that is why.  Even if they lose, the media will call it an upset!

John beat me to this post.  I can't wait to hear from some knowledgeable
Bills fan (or any other wannabe who dislikes the success of others) about how
"Vegas odds don't win football games" or "Vegas oddsmakers must be Niner
fans."

The spread was Niners -4 on Monday...today it is Niners -3.5.  Not
much of a change...perhaps you Bills fans ought to get your bets in?
Or maybe just call the oddsmakers and let them know how incompetent they are?

Whoever wins, it's going to be a great game...
-- 
Peter Greco <greco@lclark.edu> | 
--------------------------------
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 10:58:42 EDT
From: <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Barry Sanders in the race

While it may futile to say who is the NFL's best running back, some facts
may help to put this debate in perspective.  First three years of career:
Payton      3921
Dorsett     3439
Dickerson   5147
Sanders     4322
I don't have stats on Sayers or Brown.  I think it is safe to say, however,
that Barry is certainly in their class.  It may prove to be true that so are
Thomas and Smith.  Bob
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mo. Carthon
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:05:35 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I don't think Mo. Carthon was just "placed on plan B". He and Handley had it
out after he called Handley a schmuck (or something to that effect) during a
press interview.  The big deal was that he called Handley by name instead of
saying the politically correct "We have problems with caoching". He was then
placed on Plan B and then waived before the Colts picked him up.  A shame,
really cause Bunch looked pretty miserable in the game vs. S.F.

The NJ Generals with Hershel Walker and Mo. Carthon in the backfield ... now
THERE ws a team !!!

satish nair

Loyal GIANT fan despite impending doom.  Ray and Rod MUST go!
From: tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Colts - Red Zone Scoring
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:22:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nasa-jsc

>: control fashion, but with one glaring exception.  Their sputtering
>: performances inside the so-called red zone left a lot to be desired. 

All of this talk about the Oilers not being able to score touchdowns in
the red zone is not true.  This was one of the most effective offenses
last year in the so-called "red zone".  This has not been a problem for
them in the past, sure they will have some games were they can't punch it
in, but every team has that problem once in a while.
From: alexc@pollux.usc.edu (Alex Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Marinovich to start this weekend
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:22:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu



Todd Marinovich will start this weekend against the Cleveland Browns. 
Neil Lomax hosts a sports talk show in Portland and when Gene Upshaw his
scheduled guest this morning was unable to speak to him, Lomax called his
friend Jay Schroeder to fill time. Schroeder announced that he has been told
that Todd will start this weekend. Raiders officials have no comment on the
subject only to say that Art Shell will make a statement tommorow, presumably
to announce that Todd will be the starter. 

The two local sports radio stations have been in a frenzy calling for
Schroeder to be dumped. However, Schroeder had one of the best statistical
performances by a Raider QB of alltime against Cincy this weekend. He did
not lose the game for them -- turnovers did (and they weren't his fault).
Personally, I think this is a bad move for the Raiders, as Schroeder really
doesn't deserve to lose the job based on his past weekends performance.  I
am a huge Marinovich fan, but I just think that this is bad karma for the
Raiders to do this. It might just turn on them, much like the Mark Hermann
situation in Indy.  I just hope that they stick with Todd and let him
learn, regardless of his performance -- it won't make any sense for them
to bench Todd in two weeks.

Alex Campbell, USC Fil, School
alexc@pollux.usc.edu
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From: rich@quik.clearpoint.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Staurovsky was (Patriots News 9/2)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:05:31 GMT
	<184@isis.CSS.GOV> <1992Sep3.212633.3994@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Reply-To: rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <1992Sep3.212633.3994@unlinfo.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes: