HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202637.1867@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

# In article <1992Nov16.160701.16000@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

# > In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

# >>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

# >>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

# [text deleted]
 
# > To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
# > true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
# > the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
# > no?
 
# Why should Israel go to the bankers direct when generous old Uncle
# Sam is good for the touch.  Under the Cranston amendment, Uncle
# has also promised to help the perfect no-default record by advancing
# money as needed to forestall any delinquency....just roll the
# notes as need be.

	This is a lie whi was first (I believe) presented on USENT by
Yigal Arens.  The fact is that the Cranston amendment only indicated a
desire to do something, but id DID NOT AUTHORIZE A SINGLE PENNY of
expenditures.  Besides, it was included in a resolution that was
effective for only one year.

# This sounds like pretty powerful financial
# clout to me, but don't give Israel all of the credit when probably
# most of it should go to AIPAC, a lobby that seems to be well out
# of control and working against the best interests of the American
# people.

	Contrary to popular myth AIPAC is a worthless organization with
clout at all.  It has never won a contested battle, and the recent
loan gloan gau fiasco showed just how impotent they really are.

	By the way, what agenda caused you to utter that nonsense about
"working against the best interests of the American people"?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:23:32 GMT

In article <BxwFqC.7J0@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

# In article <1992Nov17.033010.29146@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >	This is a lie whi was first (I believe) presented on USENT by
# >Yigal Arens.  The fact is that the Cranston amendment only indicated a
# >desire to do something, but id DID NOT AUTHORIZE A SINGLE PENNY of
# >expenditures.  Besides, it was included in a resolution that was
# >effective for only one year.
 
# Utter rubbish!

	Oh really.  Have you ever even seen the Cranston amendment?

# ># This sounds like pretty powerful financial
 
# >	Contrary to popular myth AIPAC is a worthless organization with
# >clout at all.  It has never won a contested battle, and the recent
# >loan gloan gau fiasco showed just how impotent they really are.
 
# What fiasco is that?  As it is, they only got TEN BILLION.  I would hate
# to think of what a potent organization might be able to do.

	They did not get ANYTHING except a signature on a loan
application.  As it was, they only got it after George Bush decided
they would and no when AIPAC wanted it.

# >	By the way, what agenda caused you to utter that nonsense about
# >"working against the best interests of the American people"?

# For openers, start with sending billions to house and provide jobs to
# Russians moving to Israel when millions of Americans are in far worse
# need.

	Well since it was American people that worked for that to happen
(not to mention that no money was actually sent), one can only guess
at why you claim these Americans were working against their own best
interests?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: sr@mp.co.umist.ac.uk (Simon Read)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: RSA marketing weakness or lack of deman
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: sr@mp.co.umist.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester UK

In article 13407@nntp.hut.fi, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> 
> >U.S. patent law permits applications to filed up to one year after
> >publication.  There is nothing underhanded about that; it's simply
> >different than in the rest of the world.  And it applies to everyone --
> >I know someone who's applying for a patent under just those circumstances,
> >and it has nothing whatsoever to do with security or cryptography.
> 
> Yes.  And if someone thinks the RSA patent would have gotten through
> without a patent secrecy order if the patent had been applied before
> publication, I have a nice second-hand bridge to sell, in very good
> condition.
> 

If that was really the worry, then they should have filed the application a couple of days before a conference at which they were publishing it. The deadline is the date of APPLICATION not acceptance of the patent. The cat would be well and truly out of the bag before the "men in shades" saw the application let alone managed to do anything about it!

The simple fact is that RSA made a mistake by publishing before applying. It may have been due to their having been ill-advised. It is unlikely to be due to the above.

> Followups directed to alt.conspiracy, as many readers think this is a
> group for cryptography, not politics of governments or freedom.
> 

Cryptography has always been about the protection of one countries information from another. It's commercial and private use is something which has come along in the Post-War years. There is a difference between discussing the politics of cryptography and discussing politics (the former is rightly here, the latter is generally a futile exercise anyhow).

> //Jyrki
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From: tcscs!greg@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Keywords: Control, money, cattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:01:36 CST
Reply-To: greg%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

kevin@andorra.ssc.gov (Kevlar) writes:

>         Here in D/FW there is a store that recently opened called
>       "Incredible Universe" (home electronics, appliances, computers,
>       etc) Well i've been told that upon entering this store an
>       individual is issued a membership card with a bar code.
>         Any subsequent visits.....the member must bar code IN
>       just to enter the store. Also scan out upon leaving! ^^
>          Does this make anyone else out there think?

Just get a new card with a new name every time you go. :)

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From: sgoldste@girtab.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.slack,alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: THE COMMITTEE OF 333 - The REAL Enemy
Date: 23 Nov 1992 12:13:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Peter Jason Ward <pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>NO, my friends, this "Committee of 300" is but a RED HERRING; the REAL Enemy
>>is the totally unknown COMMITTEE OF 333!
>Which is the Select Executive Sub-comittee of
>the Committee of 666!


>The one I'm watching out for is Committee of 235 (Illuminatus reference)
>               Peter ward

I must admit to being more threatened by the Uranium of 235.

Not that I've ever dealt with it in Person.

-- 
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              summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,
              where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Clinton Challenged To Raise Auto Fuel Economy Standards
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.000446.13534@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Nigel Allen <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:
| Here is a press release from the Gas Guzzler Campaign.

| Clinton Challenged To Raise Auto Fuel Economy Standards For New
|Cars By Executive Order

    < text omitted >

|release the text of a letter to President-elect Clinton urging 
|the new administration to raise the current 27.5 miles per gallon 
|federal fuel efficiency standard for new cars.
|   The organizations said that this could be accomplished by
|executive order of the new president.

    < text omitted >

Before he issues additional EOs, Bill Clinton should review
existing EOs and countermand those he disagrees with.

-- Brad Pierce --

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Fascism Almanac: Clippings Sought
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:45:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

Clippings relating to the Christian Identity movement, The Order, the Aryan
Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, Liberty Lobby, and similar right-wing extremist
organizations are solicited for transcription to ASCII format and inclusion
in our fascism-related archives.

Clippings should include full attribution, including publication date, and
will not be returned. I will acknowledge receipt if provided with an email
address for the contributor.

Mail your contributions to:

	The Old Frog's Almanac
	C/O Trumbull
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	Ladysmith, British Columbia
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The TemplarsREAD/NEW
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:12:52 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <sc19TB1w165w@status.gen.nz>, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
> 
>> I know someone who was initiated into the Templars at University of
>> San Diego during the 70's but was then never really active in that
>> group.  (USD is a Catholic institution.)  I suspect students get
>> together from time to time and resurrect things like the Templars.
>> 
>  
>  Jim,
>  
>  While the true Knights of Malta may have been a Catholic  Organisation 
>  many years ago, at the refermation in the late 1500's there was a split
>  which still exists today.
>  
>  You have the Catholic and the Prodestent Orders still practising
>  worldwide.
>  
>  The Knights of Malta, also known as the Temple Knights.

But quite distinct from the Knights Templar which ceased as an open
organized entity in 1307 with its almost complete destruction in France by
great deceit and treachery at the hands of King Philip and driven
underground in Britain upon papal decree from Clement V, possibly to
evolve and re-emerge in later years as freemasonry.

-Joe Gaut
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Committee of 300 - READ ME NOW!
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:03:32 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov22.015736.17678@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.111951.1606@dct.ac.uk> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.193734.26206@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>>> ** READ ME **
>>> 
>>> "Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of The Committee of 300 "
>>> by Dr. John Coleman
>>
>>Could someone please mail me parts 1,3 and 4 which didn't make it to my
>>site. I've tried mailing dona@bilver.uucp but got no reply.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
>>Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
>>Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
>>              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
> 
> That's mainly because I only login once a week now and just got your
> email. If you *haven't* gotten any response to have some one mail
> you the missing parts, then let me know and I *will* email them to
> you. 
> 

Thanks, I now have all the parts.
-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: CIA/Peace Corps
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:04:41 GMT

In article <1299600104@igc.apc.org> Robert D. Bernstein <rbernstein@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>While I have heard Former CIA agent John Stockwell
>(highest-ranking member ever to go public) has spoken here in
>Santa Barbara some ten times and is always asked about this
>question. He has always said in certain terms that the one and
>only agency the CIA did stay away from was the Peace Corps.
>

	A minor correction, Stockwell is the highest-ranking employee
	who was disillusioned with the CIA who went public.  There are
	many people higher up the organization than Stockwell who
	have "gone public".  This includes people like Russell Jack
	Smith and David Attlee Phillips and a fair number of DCIs who
	have published memoirs.

	This is not to take anything away from Stockwell or McGehee and
	others who had plenty to disillusion them.  There complaints,
	however, are not unique to them or to the CIA.  Compare with
	books by Suvorov, Kuzichkin, Deriabin, and Bittmann to name but
	a few.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ring@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert Ing)
Subject: Re: Fascism Almanac: Clippings Sought
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:30:36 GMT

kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>Clippings relating to the Christian Identity movement, The Order, the Aryan
>Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, Liberty Lobby, and similar right-wing extremist
>organizations are solicited for transcription to ASCII format and inclusion
>in our fascism-related archives.

Could you give some information about these archives - such as, are
they on the net, and thus reachable by anonymous ftp?

Rob.


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo ... Restore his access
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:24:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Seth, are the 4 points you posted from news.announce.newusers
to be considered official policy statements of usenet, or just
some individuals opinion? Inquiring minds want to know.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Bush team said to skew latest economic-growth data
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171504.17347@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>I don't care about the media ... what nobody tells you  is that people
>who have given   up and stopped looking   for work, or who   have been
>unemployed  so   long  that  they    no  longer  receive  unemployment
>compensation are *not* *counted* in the statistics. The statistics are
>for  unemployment    insurance claims,   *not*  the   total  number of
>unemployed people who want jobs.

Not quite true.  There are actually seven unemployment numbers (U-1 through
U-7) and one of those numbers _does_ included those who have given up looking
for work.  The one the media most often reports on does not, however.  I
found this out while doing some research for a paper.  If anyone wants to
know the definitions for the 7 figures, I could post it.

-- 
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Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
----------------------------------------
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Date: 21 Nov 1992 15:39:19 GMT
Organization: Detroit Free Press
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Are you saying that these stores will refuse to take your money unless you
give them your personal information and allow them to track your shopping
habits? I find this difficult to accept.
 --
Dan Gillmor                                      Internet: dgillmor@msen.com
Detroit Free Press                               CompuServe: 73240,334
321 W. Lafayette                                 Voice: 313-222-6659
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:37:22 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Nov17.033010.29146@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>
>	This is a lie whi was first (I believe) presented on USENT by
>Yigal Arens.  The fact is that the Cranston amendment only indicated a
>desire to do something, but id DID NOT AUTHORIZE A SINGLE PENNY of
>expenditures.  Besides, it was included in a resolution that was
>effective for only one year.


Utter rubbish!
># This sounds like pretty powerful financial

>	Contrary to popular myth AIPAC is a worthless organization with
>clout at all.  It has never won a contested battle, and the recent
>loan gloan gau fiasco showed just how impotent they really are.

What fiasco is that?  As it is, they only got TEN BILLION.  I would hate
to think of what a potent organization might be able to do.


>	By the way, what agenda caused you to utter that nonsense about
>"working against the best interests of the American people"?


For openers, start with sending billions to house and provide jobs to
Russians moving to Israel when millions of Americans are in far worse
need.

js
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.save.the.earth,alt.individualism
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: LBJ's anti-nepotism law (was: Hillary will not...)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:21:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.192402.22116@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.173101.25548@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>It's de facto constitutional.  No president would dare challenge *this* law's 
>>constitutionality, even if it isn't constitutional.
>
>Are there any states in the USA where that state's Supreme Court must
>review *all* state laws, determining whether they are constitutional?

There are no such states to my knowledge.  There are some states, such
as Massachusetts, where the Supreme Court of the state may offer advisory
opinions on pending legislation.  One of these advisory opinions led Dukakis
to make his now-infamous veto of the mandatory pledge of allegiance in
the public schools.

There's a good case to be made for not reviewing legislation until
someone who is actually aggrieved by the legislation challenges it.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: weaver@sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver)
Subject: INSLAW update - Riconesciutto meets Grand Jury
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:55:52 GMT


From the radio program "One Step Beyond," Sunday 11/15/92

Harry Martin of the Napa Sentinel on the phone shares these bits:

 Michael Riconesciutto (sp?), former CIA computer whiz, has filed a
declaration with a federal grand jury in Chicago, investigating the
INSLAW software piracy (by the Justice Dept.) case.  He demanded
access to his "equipment" [by which I think is meant PCs or such] to
call up files before the jury and show them the evidence.  His written
declaration to the GJ included a list of things he worked on,
including "monoclonal antibodies for gene-specific and/or
race-specific bio-warfare" and imaging systems to track movement of
people in any exposed area on the planet.

 Just after Michael R. handed in this declaration, his wife was
arrested in Napa (after leaving Harry's office!) on a 3 year old
warrant for "custodial interference" i.e. a child custody problem.
The father of kids in question did NOT enforce the warrant, but the
federal agent who arrested Michael on trumped up drug charges last
year.  The authorities in Napa had the warrant and her whereabouts for
five days before arresting her, moving in only after the declaration
was made in Chicago.

 The whole conversation, including more background on the Inslaw case
is on tape and available from Archives on Audio in SF, 415-346-1840.
I presume it'll be out in the next Napa Sentinel; their number is
707-257-6272.
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <BxF2Kp.M3x@mail.boi.hp.com> hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:

>I suspect the truth about Gritz lies somewhere in the middle.  No doubt
>about it, politically you would have to place Gritz somewhere to the
>right of Herod Antipas.  On the other hand, I haven't seen anything to
>indicate that he's the raving looney his detractors make him out to be.

Well, how about the UPC bar codes being the mark of the beast?  That
stuff was in his campaign literature!  I'd say anyone that believes
that stuff has to be a lunatic.


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