From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unprofessional Posts from Brian S.
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:17:27 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

Brian Sturgill writes:
>Kai-Uwe Rommel writes:

>>I wish you did the same for NT, pointing out it's flaws. Don't tell me
>>it doesn't have some.

>First of all, NT is just now entering beta, I did not pick on OS/2 when
>it was in beta, why should I pick on NT when it is?  That's the purpose

Because you are COMPARING NT with OS/2. It is not unreasonable to wait
with picking on NT until it is released. But you are often complaining
about OS/2 with arguments like "in NT this is all much better". Maybe from
looking at the plans it might apear that way but never forget OS/2 is a
mature and running product and NT will at least take 14 months (Cairo)
before it is realy comparable. Of cource the NT released in januari
can be used as mark as well except for Cario.

>...
>Secondly, I have taken the position that I like NT better than OS/2--Why
>am I responsible to defend OS/2's case.

Agreed.

>...
>>I begin to believe that in everything you read/get off Usenet, computer
>>newspapers etc. you *want* to see that OS/2 is not doing well and simply
>>don't recognize signals which tell the opposite (clearly there are news
>>of both kind every day).

>I take it you're referring to my "Tidbits from the Trade Rags" posts.
>I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I go out of my way
>to find good things about OS/2, also.  The problem is there is
>very little such news being reported there.  While I may have
>access (and reason to read) more such trade rags than most, surely
>there are tons of people out there with access to at least of the
>rags I quote... why aren't they posting the ones I don't "see"?

You are right on this one. There are many more proMS articles around. Notice
this says more about the quality of their marketing, excelent, than the quality
of their products.

>...
>That letter had over 20 punctuation, spelling, and grammar mistakes.
>It was grossly formated, had incomplete sentences, and totally unconnected
>paragraphs.  IBM did what they should have, corrected the letter and
>apologized.  I have never receieved at letter with that many mistakes
>from a major company before.

So someone made a mistake. There are humans working at IBM. The interesting
part is that IBM in such a case ADMITS it and CORRECTS it. I personally
dislike MS for lacking the guts to do that kind of things.

>...
>not want to register till that was done (so the contact info would
>be correct).  As a matter fact I have an IBM mid-level Manager calling
>me this very afternoon to discuss precisely that.  Chalk one up for
>IBM, they actually care.

Correct. Glad you noticed.

>Well from my own experiences with MS in the past and the present, all I
>can say is they are wrong.  Is it unacceptable to you that we

You mean, to take an example, you know of noone having problems with
Windows which seem unsolvable?

>have had different experiences?  I can honestly also say that most
>all of my experiences with IBM have been bad ones... I know from
>our private correspondence that this is not the case for you.

ALL of your experiences. Just a few sentences ago I read TWO cases
which prove the opposite. Unless you are not willing to accept there
are humans working at IBM.

>I'm posting this message while running under Windows 3.1.  My machine
>has not been rebooted for a couple of days.  I almost never crash.

Possible, a matter of luck.

>My wife on the other hand, does seem to average about a crash a day
>when she's working heavily.   It is not clear that here problem
>is Windows 3.1, it seems just as likely it's her screen driver or
>Word for Windows.  

And you said you knew of no problems with MS. This certainly seems
like a (typical BTW) problem with Windows. Notice your wife has a
person KNOWING about windows at her disposay (you), how do you think
"the average Joe" solves these kind of problems.

>That's the problem with unprotected systems, it's
>hard to tell where the problem is.  We both eagerly await the NT beta.

Shame, real shame. The OS solving this problem is no longer in BETA
since april and you want your wife to keep on crashing and wait for 
a beta product? I honestly can't understand that.

>>/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

>C. Brian Sturgill                I strongly encourage you to read Ross Perot's

Nico E. de Vries  (nevries@cc.ruu.nl) |------------------*   AA   III  PPP
_ This text is supplied AS IS, no warranties of any kind |  A  A   I   P  P
| apply. No rights can be derived from this text. This   |  AAAA   I   PPP
| text is likely to contain spelling and grammar errors. |  A  A   I   P
*---------------------------( Donate to GreenPeace! )----*  A  A  III  P

"The IBM PC is still waiting for a version of the CP/M OS.", G.M. Vose, 1982.