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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:16:35 GMT

In article <00713509737@elgamy.sccsi.com> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>Define "truth".

Trick question.

"Truth" is anything I believe.

If you say something I believe now, it's the truth.  If I don't believe
it, it's not.  If I later change my mind, it becomes the truth.

Next.
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From: goldsman@CC.GATECH.EDU (Mike Goldsman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: is this advertisement a Sting?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:21:58 GMT

I just got this in the mail today...

This IS illegal.. isn't it?

Are they looking to get busted?   Are they looking to bust people?
let the buyer beware.

Maybe they are selling sterile bird seed...

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    receiving a large amount of orders for out Cannabis Seeds. So please 
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    hours of receipt, which mean extremely Fast Delivery of your order.
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    order, or detach and send in the order form below with cash or money
    order. Personal checks are welcome but will delay order for five weeks
    so ckeck may clear bank.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland)
Subject: Extraction of opiates from prescription tablets
Distribution: world
Organization: nexnix
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:42:38 +0000

Two questions:

1) How do I extract morphine sulphate from "MST Continus" tablets?  What is
   it that makes these tablets "slow release"?  Is it some sort of chemical
   binding that can be broken down by another chemical (perhaps some sort of
   solvent)? (or would just hot water do the trick?)

2) Is there a simple procedure for extracting codeine phosphate from codeine
   and aspirin tablets?

Thanking you in advance.

Gary (@nexnix.demon.co.uk)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: mauax@warwick.ac.uk (Brazil)
Subject: Re: LSD: the early days
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:25:35 GMT

In article <jb_nmtq.ladasky@netcom.com> ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II) writes:
>
>	O.K., anecdotal evidence time.
>
>	A friend of mine tried LSD for the first time about three years ago.
>Prior to that he was a very heavy recreational drinker (though not, to my
>knowledge, an alcoholic - and I have known a few of those).  He had no
>knowledge of the use of LSD in alcoholism therapy (this is the first I've
>ever heard of this, and as he has no net access, I will be telling him 
>about this when I see him).  Nevertheless, after trying LSD a few times, he
>dropped to three or four beers at parties.  When I asked him about it, he
>said that "it just didn't feel worth it" any more.  BTW, this didn't mean
>that he was taking LSD at parties instead!  He is an occasional user at
>best (a few times a year).  Coincidence?  Who knows?
>

Personally I don't think that this is the specific effect of LSD. I have
taken LSD a few times, but that never caused me to relax on my drinking
habits. I think it is because I didn't really get into taking LSD in a big
way. Now after having taken MJ for a couple of years I have completely given
up drink. 
I recken each person chooses his main drug - And the experiences of some of
the more spectacular drugs underline how down to earth and unsociable ( :) )
drinking is. In my case there is no doubt that MJ has taken over from drink.
And I think I'm a better person because of it.

BTW In a recent poll over here 88% of responders were in favour of the
legalisation of MJ. Perhaps the sample was biased, but it's quite
encouraging.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:05:49 GMT

gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:

: 	Don't do it.  Unless of course you want to conduct a little sting
: 	of your own. :-) I've often wondered what would happen if enough
: 	packages of hash got sent to the children of the elite.
: 	The original witch hunts of the 1600's stopped abruptly when too
: 	many of the "pillars of society" were being accused.  One 
: 	wonders how many members of the elite would have to lose their
: 	houses before the WOD stopped.

It won't happen. The reason it worked in the "Witch hunts" is that the
accusations were public, where they couldn't be covered up. 

To the drug warriors, the elite are obviously just users. It is obvious
that the rich WASPs are smart enough not to deal in drugs. :-)

No, the war will end - only when the general population tells the fat
cat politicians that enough is enough. Until then, the gains to be made
from civil forfeiture are enough to turn even the most honest police
department into a den of money grubbing fascists with no morals whatever.

Bill
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14602 sci.psychology:3483
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Desmanthus illinoensis
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:45:36 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <BstvGo.2oE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dhappe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (avid allen happe) writes:
> 
> Anyone have any details about the consumption of the roots of
> Desmanthus illinoensis?  It supposedly contains useful amounts
> of DMT.

The literature indicates modest amounts of DMT in the root-bark
of D. illinoensis. I have heard various first hand reports
from people who have said that it works.
> 
> What kind of percentages are in it?  Would an extraction be
> neccessary for use, or could the whole root be used?

If you want to smoke it, it will be totally necessary to
perform a chemical extraction, in order to extract and
purify the alkaloids. This is because the smoked dose is
up to 60 mg, and the duration is only a very few minutes.
Thus, even at 10% concentration of DMT, the stuff is near
useless to smoke, and the root bark concentration is only
about 0.3% from memory.
> 
DMT is not normally orally active. Supposedly, the harmala
alkaloids (particularly harmine and harmaline) which are
mono-amine oxidase inhibitors are effective at making
DMT orally active; the combination is known as yage or
caapi or ayahuasca, and was used by South American shamans.
I have not yet had conclusive first hand experience with
this combination. Supposedly, it is an extremly intense
trip (much moreso than LSD) which lasts maybe 4 hours.

> Any details on extraction, if necessary?

Mail me if you want the details, and you think you can do
a little kitchen chemistry. The process is not too difficult.

Jeremy
mail to: jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: mace / nutmeg
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:59:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Land of UD

Freezes your lungs?

I thought every time you smoked nutmeg, "a piece of your brain
_actually_catches_on_fire_and_burns_..." (TM)

Take it with a dose of smilie...    8-)
Organisation: European Space Agency
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 16:13:26 CET
From: John O'Leary <JOLEARY@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 2CB - availiability?
 <1992Aug9.003131.13977@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

In article <1992Aug9.003131.13977@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Anthony Ankrom) says:
>
>In article <BsMF7G.2Hu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (migh
>y odin) writes:
>>       PS What is the stuff from Jacobs Ladder?
>
> The drug in Jacob's Ladder is most probably BZ, a drud used as an
>incapacitating agent in Vietnam. It is 3-quinuclidinol benzilate.

A few details are given with the credits at the end of the film.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: FREE 1-YEAR NRA MEMBERSHIPS (Not Here!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:34:40 GMT

st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) writes:
: In article <1992Aug18.195513.5655@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes...
: # 
: #As far as the bullets themselves go. They would not be any more effective
: #than a normal bullet at penetrating body armor. They were designed for
: #penetrating windshields of automobiles from an angle.
: # 
: 
: 	I can't help with the NRA stuff - but I seriously doubt teflon helps
: penetrate windshields that much.  I got my little hands on some military
: surplus rounds with the forbidden teflon way back when they were still 
: available.

All I can go on is the intended purpose of the designer of the bullets. He
stated that they did aid windshield penetration and that they would not help
penetrate body armor. I don't know of any independent studies done on the
subject.

: 	They plowed through phone books and wooden blocks with the greatest
: of ease - I would imagine they would do quite a number on body armor as
: well.  The teflon reduces the amount of friction between the bullet and
: its target, allowing it to penetrate farther.

The problem is, body armor is designed to stop penetration from occurring.
As such, it does not matter whether the bullet is teflon coated, or not.

: 	Of course, body armor would do no good at all for these sort of
: high power cartridges in the first place - the bullets probably have enough
: KE to do very serious harm even if the armor does manage to stop them.

Yep - unless the armor can spread the energy over a large enough area.

: 	This thread is becoming nearly as tiresome as that damned helecopter
: one.  Further abuse and questions to e-mail or your nearest strychnine
: universe portal. :-)

Agreed.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:40:06 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>>
>
>	Correct ne if I'm wrong but I've heard of LSD being stored in
>	body fat for long periods of time... When the fat is used the
>	LSD is released  back into the system... This gives some people
>	LSD flash backs... I've heard it also happens with PCP.
>
>
>Zip.
Wrong! most of the LSD is out of your system by the time you come down
from your trip.
-Scott


Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14889 talk.politics.drugs:5900
From: ricks@itx.isc.com (Rick Sutherland)
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Boulder, CO
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:55:33 GMT

>I believe Texas still allows _passengers_ to have open containers, but
>not the driver, which seems utterly unenforceable, unless a policeman
>sees the driver taking a drink... Several years ago, even the driver
>could drink, as long as he/she wasn't legally intoxicated.  This was
>explained to me as a holdover from days when it was a concession to
>West TX farmers who wanted to drink a cold one while driving to market
>on those super-hot TX summer days.

In Texas, open containers are indeed allowed in the passenger compartment,
as they should be.  It is ludicrous to ban drinking by the passengers using
"what if" logic.  The driver must be observed drinking the alleged alcohol in 
order to be cited for drinking while driving.  If the driver is found to have
an open container when alone, he is given the 3rd degree inquisition usually 
including some sobriety test, but still cannot be charged with drinking while
driving(unless the officer is lying).  

Some of my lawyers advice to me was:	(haven't needed it yet!) 

1) Never submit to a breathalyzer, period.  They are not accurate and it will
be held against you.  You can get a hardship license during the time yours is
suspended for refusing the test.

2) The officer is required to demonstrate any sobriety test being asked of
you.  Since most Hwy Patrol use video tape now, the jury can compare your
preformance to that of the officer(which may or may not help).  Remain calm
and collected even if/after arrested, there is video in the station too.

3) Don't voluteer information which will hinder your defense.  Don't admit 
it if you are intoxicated(most people will say "yes, I have had a couple of.."
This will just help to raise the officers suspicion.  Keep your mouth shut.

Hopefully, the TX legislature will not get on the prohibitionist open container
law bandwagon, and will respect: 1) the rights of the passengers to drink if
they choose to; and 2) the responsibility of the driver to operate his vehicle
in a safe and sober manner.

--
+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+------
Mother America is brandishing her weapons...She keeps me safe and warm with 
lies and misconceptions...  		Drivin -n- Cryin
From: sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Robitussin DM
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:14:28 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I'm looking for information on the effects of high doses of Dextromethorophan.
A while back I caught  ther tail end of a thread on Robitussin DM--WOW.  If 
anyone has this thread and could e-mail it to me I would be greatful.  Also
any other contributions on the subject are welcomed. Thanks,

				Carl
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: storing mushrooms
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:18:30 GMT

In article <BsxrzD.MLn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:

>RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:


>>So.... if you can find the Grower's Guide (penned under the pseudonyms 
>>'Oss' and 'Oeric') I'm sure you'll have enough info to get started.

>There are a couple of glaring irregularities here in your post.  For
>one thing, Oss and Oeric were laboratory assistants at Sandoz Drugs
>in Switzerland.  They developed the techniques for cultivating
>psilocybin mushrooms in the laboratory so Albert Hofmann could
>identify and extract (and ultimately synthesize) the psychoactive
>ingredients.  He did this using samples supplied by R. Gordon Wasson.

Huh?  Is this a Robert Anton Wilson-style joke or has someone really
been pulling your leg?  Even if the McKennas didn't admit to writing
the Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide, the continuity between the
unique theories in the guide and in _the Invisible Landscape_ and
Terrence's many works would prove it to my satisfaction.

>Now, I know that Oss and Oeric are real.  They've never mentioned
>Terrence McKenna.  Are you sure HE's not the fictional character?

Again: ? !

>I hope you didn't pay anything for this seminar.
>--
>	Mike Berger
>	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
>	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
>	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu

   --Matt Baggott
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Bannana smoking? 
Summary: No, it doesn't work
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:13:04 GMT

dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:

>Does anyone have the recipe on how to smoke bannanas (sp) ? 
>Also, if you know if it works at all send me some e-mail .
>dc@umcc.ais.org

It works fine, but you have to smoke some of your own fecal
material along with it as a catalyst.
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:28:26 GMT
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center

In article <92224.160621U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Didja hear that Dan Quayle tried acid back in the 60's?
>He didn't like it though. Said it burned his tongue and the back of his
>throat!

But he didn't swallow, right?

Question: Can Mr. Quayle spell LSD?
--
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
From: rand@smartstar.com (Rand McKinney)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Amsterdam
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:21:52 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

I'm going to Amsterdam in a few weeks, and I was wondering:

1) What is the attitude there now towards drugs?  Is it still as mellow
   as it used to be? 

2) Does anybody have any recommendations of things to do/see for someone
   interested in a little recreational pscyopharmacology?

3) I've heard of a place called the Milk Weg (Milky Way) Club.  
   Is it still around and what's it like now?

Any help would be appreciated!
Rand
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14734 talk.politics.drugs:5842
From: eja@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous? CNN British report ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:29:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs

In article <q92269.714049150@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de>, q92269@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Daniel 'danny' Roedding) writes:
|> Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> >My impression was that this was all hysteria -- although
|> >I can believe that tainted drugs might have caused some "toxic
|> >reactions" if there is any truth in this report.  But heatstroke??
|> 
|> Probably as a result from uncontrolled hyperventilation over quite a long
|> time?
|> 
|> Daniel

I saw the full report, and the kid said that his kidneys shut down and it 
caused liver problems.  It sounded to me like he probably hadn't eaten 
anything or drank any non-alcoholic beverages for a few days before the Rave
and got himself a severe case of dehydration.  The possibility that this
was dehydration was not mentioned in the article.  Seven deaths were attributed
to X (no mention of any of those being due to alcohol poisoning was made).  
The conclusions I came to from the report were:

1) Stupid people shouldn't take X.
2) Don't forget to drink lots of fluids.
3) Large Amounts of alcohol and X don't mix.
4) Maybe dancing for 9 or 10 hours without stopping isn't the best use 
   for MDMA. 
5) Anyone unfamiliar with the drug would have gotten the following message
   from the report:  Ecstacy is a Bad Thing that is Killing Our Children.



Eric Akawie : Freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14819 talk.politics.drugs:5878
From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Open container law -- intent (was Re: info on open ...)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:26:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Aug18.043236.12985@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>
>Even I can see that this law would be of little use for either wine bottles
>with corks or screw-top alcoholic beverages like some wine coolers, beers, and
>malt liquors.  They'll just replace the tops!

As I understand it, if the seal on the bottle/can has been broken, it's
technically an open container.  Do you know of a method for getting the
cork out of a wine bottle without leaving any marks?

I believe Texas still allows _passengers_ to have open containers, but
not the driver, which seems utterly unenforceable, unless a policeman
sees the driver taking a drink... Several years ago, even the driver
could drink, as long as he/she wasn't legally intoxicated.  This was
explained to me as a holdover from days when it was a concession to
West TX farmers who wanted to drink a cold one while driving to market
on those super-hot TX summer days.

MADD et. al. keep trying to get a stricter open container bill passed, 
but it never quite seems to make it through the TX legislature.

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry or sun!texsun!csccat!larry
From: carmela@hacktic.nl (Ay Carmela)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: How many would prefer eating over smoking if marijuana were lega
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:31:43 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

>Smoking has one key advantage:  faster feedback in the autotitration loop.
>What I mean by this is that when you smoke it, you feel the full effect
>within the first five minutes, but when you eat it, you have to wait at
>least 30 minutes.

>Therefore, it is much easier to control how stoned you get if you smoke.
>I think the most people would prefer smoking it for this reason.

It's true. By smoking hash you are able to control your stoniness
instantly. For people that don't smoke at all, smoking hash is not so
interesting. Smoking whatever smells bad, it tastes worse and it makes
you cough.
With a little bit of experience you get to know how much hash you can
eat and is enjoyable for you. Then space cake or brownies also taste
good. I have got the amounts right after 3 or 4 tries of baking the
space goodies. Now everybody at my parties knows what to expect. The
only problem that is left now is: how can I prevend myself from eating
more.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs