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Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 09:25:22 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

> In article <73ccqB2w164w@kryton.UUCP>  writes:
> > I guess the allegory in GSITG must be going right over my head.  Could  
> you
> > explain that to me??  
> 
> I'll try but I get this indirectly. A friend of mine told me that this was  
> something discussed in this newsgroup a while back.
> 
> Essentially "the Greatest Show in the Galaxy" is an aptly named allegory  
> of "Doctor Who". The family represents the average viewers, easily bored  
> and pleased only by flashy tricks. He kid on the bike represents the  
> dedicated fans, forever enthusiastic about the show. I haven't seen it in  
> a while but there was also someone who represented John Nathan-Turner. I  
> was quite pleased to learn that there was actually some logic to that  
> story.

Must be the evil clown.  I still think clowns are creepy.  :)

Interesting allagory.  Hmmmm....I get it now.  Pretty good.


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From: lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: 27 Aug 1992 00:00:28 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <64660@cup.portal.com>, TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian) writes:
>I saw the same tape. There was a scene where the Doctor and K9 were
>talking, but K9's voice hadn't been put in. Will this be fixed on the
>video release?

Ya know, I have no idea.  That was something else I remember from watching that
tape... no sound effects or incidental music!  I wonder if they could get John
Leeson to come back and read the parts for K9's voice...

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From: mike.rizzello@canrem.com (mike rizzello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: britcommercials
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: "mike rizzello" <mike.rizzello@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> In article <1992Aug25.752.12085@dosgate> "mike rizzello"
-> <mike.rizzello@canrem. >
-> > Regarding the 'traces' of British in U.S. comercials, how about the
-> one >for the Quicksnap cameras.  [details deleted]
-> >
-> > There is also the Kit-Kat commercial ... [d.d.]
->
-> Just wondering: what is it about these commercials that you think is
-> somehow distinctively British??

 Well I have seen a few 'origional' Brit. commercials and found some of
the same elements in them (ie. a normal, everyday situation turns into
something totally crazy, and then returns to the normal again), also a
few of my friends, who happen to be from the U.K., profess that these
are indeed British (not that they have seen them there).

 Taking this into account, I made my own conclusion and based my opinion
on it.

 And please I am not an expert, just an observer.
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From: isgwillim@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:56:08 GMT
Organization: Inmos Limited

> Now, would someone PLEASE enlighten me as to the origin of the
> phrase GORDON BENNETT used most often by Ace?  I assume he
> must have been infamous to have his name become an epithet.
> An American example is 'Your name is Mudd.'  I would
> appreciate the particulars on GB.
> 

Well, as far as I know, GORDON BENNETT originates from the GORDON BENNETT
races. 
     In cars, very high above the road with little to hold onto.
This very long time ago, I don't think saftey was much in their mind.

If you can imagin taking a corner on dining room chair on the roof of a normal
car at say 40 to 50 mph... do you get the picture.

This is why GORDON BENNETT is used an expression of supprise/shock.

Any way that's my guess.


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From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: MISSING EPISODES
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

-> The foreign stations that showed Who were legally obligated to
-> destroy them. They had only paid to show them once (or some limited
-> number) and after that they were supposed return or destroy the
-> tapes/film. This process wasn't totally reliable and episodes have
-> been found in people's basements.
Exactly... So with all the stations and all the episodes, you'd think
they would have found more than a few lost episodes....
    - Doug

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Production company chosen?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:42:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, neal@RIEMANN.MATH.MUN.CA (Neal Crossan) says:

>From the latest issue of The Frame, in an interview with former script editor
>Anthony Root;
>
>   Frame: How do you feel about the fact that the show's future is once again
>          in the balance at present?
>
>   AR: Well, interestingly enough, when I heard about that, and the fact that 
>       the BBC were looking for an independent company to take over production
>       I immediantly wrote to say that I thought that we could do a good job
>       on it here at Working title and that I had some ideas about it.  But
>       Peter Creegan, Head of Series, said that he'd already secured the
>       company that was going to do it.
>   
>   F: Really?
>  
>   AR: Yes.  That was about six months ago and I keep expecting to see an
>       announcement.
>

Then either the BBC will be making an announcement soon, or Peter
Creegan is lying & hoping that interest in tthe show will eventually
die off if he stalls long enough.

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Plot synopses, A Farewell Repeat Marathon!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:57:20 GMT


I have had enough requests, and unless I have any objections,
I will repost ALL of my plot synopses tomorrow night in one
big marathon-posting, in the order they were originally written
by me, so we can all (including me) see how they've evolved as
I went over the summer.

This is not exactly goodbye.  I will still be around and may even
find time sometime in the fall to write another synopsis or two,
but I suspect there won't be any new ones for a long time to come
thanks to my classes resuming soon.
We physics majors have a LOT of work to do.



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From: Boyd <BOYD@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Americans and Who
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.081433.16431@unixg.ubc.ca> guth@unixg.ubc.ca (A lonely wanderer from the 15th century) writes:
>
>Perhaps a collaboration between a PBS station or stations and the BBC
>could bring it back.  Such things have been done in the past.

I dare say a collaboration between A&E and the BBC would work quite well
(been watching <The House of Eliott> and enjoying it immensely).  I'm
not sure PBS stations would have the budget, even in a collaborative
effort, to produce something like <Doctor Who>.  They air some very
interesting productions; but the ones that they create themselves (that
I've seen) are very bare-bones (mostly young kids' shows and talk
shows).  This doesn't make them bad, mind you, but they are of limited
interest.  I'm sure there are some notable exceptions.

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From: umbryer@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jeff Bryer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: WTVS (Detroit) DrWho schedule???
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:26:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Originator: umbryer@uhura.cc.umanitoba.ca

Does anyone out there know what WTVS (channel 56 from Detroit) will be
airing for DrWho from now on.  They used to be so predictable when they
aired all the episodes from a particular doctor and in order.  Now with
the selections from Hartnell I have no idea.  Makes it very hard when you
are trying to pack them as efficiently as possible on to tapes.

Thanks
Jeff Bryer

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From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: HARTNELL-TROUGHTON REGENE
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

-> What did the first one look like? I DON'T want to spend ~$20 just for
-> that one clip on "The Troughton Years!"
Well, you see William Hartnell collapsed on the floor, sweating like a
dog, unconscious. (The floor of the TARDIS, that is.) In the background,
you hear the dematerialization sound. The camera cuts to an EXTREME
closeup of the Doctor's face.. (All you see is his face, that's how
close it is!)... He has a big frown on his face and his eyes are closed
but blinking, kind of like R.E.M. Slowly some static-like speckles
appear on his face... Slowly more and more till basically his whole face
is sort of speckled... You can barely see his nose fade into a slightly
different nose... Then, as if in reverse, the speckle fades away to
reveal a brand new face with very prominant eyebrows: Patrick Troughton.
The second before his face is completely clear of the speckles, the
scene pauses and ends...

Ok, granted, it's difficult to imagine even with descriptions, but this
is what it looks like. (P.S. I rented the video, I didn't pay $20 for
it! R.K.O. Video near me has them all in the store....)
       - Doug

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From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.012819.1908@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> Why don't you like Greatest Show?  
> 
> The only thing I find a bit annoying about it is the somewhat unclear
> ending sequences where the Doctor seemed to suddenly gain magic powers
> in front of the Gods until I realized two things: 1) he was in a  
different
> time/space where mind power seems to be stronger (hence the name Psychic
> Circus), and 2) he already had magic tricks prepared for the talent
> contest, so it wasn't really a case of him pulling everything out of his
> hat.
> 
> Once I figured that stuff out, my mind was at ease, peace, and joy about
> the story.

Do you have any Idea who the "gods of Ragnarok" were?
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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Rutgar Huaer(SP??)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:16:14 GMT

In <YedEvQK00Vp8M1jkcZ@andrew.cmu.edu> "Robert J. Knapp" <rk3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>Ok, last time I heard anything about it (about six - seven months ago) I
>heard the Rutgar Huaer(SP??)
>would be playing the Doctor in the upcoming Doctor Who Movie....

>Well he was on the Tonight Show last night, plugging the new re-edited
>Blade Runner
>which comes out Sept. 11th (I'm psyched!!!!!!!!!!!! Love that movie),
>but there was no
>mention of the Doctor Who movie....

>Does this imply anything I'm missing or is there a new rumour as to who
>will be playing him??
>Rob "Money is not our God" Knapp

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>                   			-Me

Well, I haven't heard this rumor, but that doesn't deny its truth,
However, I certainly hope the Rutger is not, NOT going to be the Doctor.
While I like Rutger alot, he would make a poor Dr.!!!!

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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Writing for DR. WHO (was Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:00:31 GMT


I think if the show returns they should look carefully at who writes scripts
for the show....

I think the following people should write for Who

Paul Cornell    (Timewyrm was SUPERB!!!!  Let him write for the show)
Ben Aaronovitch (sp)  (good writer....like both shows and the book)
Marc Platt      (confusing.....but good)
Ian Briggs	(if Ace leaves, let this guy write her out....he wrote her in)

I'm gonna get shot for this one..... :)

Steven Wyatt	(I don't care what you think...Paradise Towers and 
		 Greatest Show in the Galaxy were terrific)

Christopher Bidmead  (Always liked his work...)



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From: keeper@deeptht.armory.com (Ron O'Dell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Sounds and Sound-bites?
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:10:15 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1719@hydra.bucknell.edu> norbeck@pollux.cs.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93) writes:

   re: creating an answering machine message from `Doctor Who' sounds

>I'm thinking of something along the lines of "She's not here, Doctor."  
>"Not here?  What do you mean, she's not here?  She's got to be here." etc.

This reminds me of an answering machine message I made, not with sounds, per
se, but with references and special effects like `The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy'.

I set my microcassette recorder to run at a slow speed, then recorded myself
speaking slowly into it.  When it plays back, at twice the recording speed,
the mouse effect from the radio series (except for the original broadcast)
is made.  Try recording the mice with a fast tape speed, then playing it back
slow -- you can hear how the actors spoke the lines.  This will give you an
idea of how slowly you need to speak.

So, this is what my answering machine message said:

   "Hi there.  This is Frankie Mouse.  I'm on Magrathea now trying to find
    out this wretched thing called `The Ultimate Question'.  But if you leave
    me a message after the beep, I'll get back to you in two billion years.
    Thank you."
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:50:42 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep2.152420.17878@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>As a new reader of this news group, this has probably been discussed before,
>but, what do people actually think of Colin Baker's tenure as the Doctor?
>You know, the stories, and his characterisation of the Doctor.  Personally
>I think he was very harshly done by, and given what I saw here several 
>years ago, I was quite happy with the shows that were made.  Maybe I'm
>sentimental, but how fair is it that he did only 11 shows?  Eleven!!
>Geez, that was a whole season back in the 1960's. I'd be grateful
>for any opinions.  Cheers.   



I've told the group before what I think happened that caused all the
Colin Baker-bashing, i.e. only because ratings fell and because Michael
Grade didn't like him, people reviewed and revised their initial opinions
on the Colin Baker stories.  I believe this to be the general case
by extrapolating from the fact that I caught myself doing it some time 
ago.

Well, here's how I rate his stories (scale of 1 to 10):
The Twin Dilemma: 4
Attack of the Cybermen: 7
Vengeance on Varos: 8
The Mark of the Rani: 7
The Two Doctors: 8
Timelash: 2
Revelation of the Daleks: 10
The Mysterious Planet: 7
Mindwarp: 7
Terror of the Vervoids: 5
The Ultimate Foe: 9

One interesting thing to note about Twin Dilemma, the Brits first saw
it immediately following "The Caves of Androzani,," which most admit is
a toweringly good story.  Comparison came through contrast, and thus
I think a lot of people in the UK down-rated Twin since they had the
weeks before this been treated to some of the finest Who ever made,
making a slightly-less-than-average story seem like the bottom of a
barrel of monkey droppings.  
For instance, a reader of DWM recently wrote in and said after having
bought the recently released video, he was surprised by how not-bad
it was, and how it wasn't as he remembered it.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Quiz 6 extended
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 05:15:05 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

we have the results from the first 5 trivia quizzes, scores out of 50 :

   Frank Durda IV (uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org)  38.5
   James William Bennetts (james@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au) 32
   Jonathan Drukman (jondr@sco.com) 25.5
   Ron O'Dell (keeper@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us) 21.5
   Iain Asplin Roberts (ira2p@Faraday.clas.Virginia.edu)  18
   Kevin Blayton (kgb8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu) 14
   Ariane(Ablanch@physics.su.oz.au) 8
   Neal Crossan (neal@riemann.math.mun.ca) 7.5
   Richard K. Fox (fox-r@cis.ohio-state.edu) 5
   Franklin Trumphy (swan@iastate.edu)  3.5

Now thanks to spoilers by my good friend Dale Clayton, there is a change

in question.  for those who submitted already, don't worry.

Despite a goof from Mr Bennette in which some of the answers are right,

I will continue as below.

Correction to quiz 5,  "The Faceless Ones" not "Macra Terror" is the first
time the Doctor's face was featuring at the show's opening.

For the rest, here we go.

 And now, Episode 6, purely on Doctor Mk 3:

1)  How did the Doctor track down the TARDIS in "Spearhead from Space"?

2)  HOw did the Doctor explain the Republic of Britain in "Inferno"?

3)  From "Terror of the Autons",  what do we know about the Doctor's and the

    Master's academic careers?

4)  Which planet is Azal from ?

5)  Who detonated the bomb in "Day of the Daleks"?

6)  Who played Stuart Hyde in "The Time monster"?

7)  Who said in the end when the TARDIS returned to UNIT HQ

    "I told you he had no self control"  from "The Three Doctors"?

8)  In which Episode do we see the Brigadier smoking?

9)  Name a famous 'Allo! Allo! Comedienne who appeared in "The Invasion of the

    Dinosaurs" .

10) Describe how the Doctor was to leave the show while Roger Delgado was

    still alive.

    Rules:

**  1)  No posting of answers.  That is up to me.   **
    2)  Enter as many times as you like, until you get 10/10.
    3)  Deadline is Saturday,  5 September, 1992 11:59 MDT.

Also, I will correct the scores today, as I haven't had time to transfer the
file due to a sick modem.  Do flame for tardiness.


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From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: RE: MISSING EPISODES
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:22:50 GMT

In article <2451.130.uupcb@ssr.com> doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug  
Vermes)  writes:
> Exactly... So with all the stations and all the episodes, you'd think
> they would have found more than a few lost episodes....

They have. Virtually all af the stories of the first 6 seasons were  
supposed to be destroyed. These were therefore all missing at one point.  
All but a few of the episodes that do survive from the first two Doctors  
are found episodes.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: A request
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:12:16 GMT

ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Ariane) wrote:
>I read this news group via a 1200 baud modem, and the quantity of
HA! That's 4 times faster than mine!

>quoted stuff is *really* high in here. So please, to save bandwidth,
>and also to have pity on those of us reading by slow modems, cut 
>down the quoted stuff as much as possible. It is rare that you 
>really need to quote more than some of the most recent person's
>article.

I've asked a few people to EDIT before and for the most part they don't give
a shit. It's so much easier to type whatever key follows up with quoted text
and jump to the end and type in a one-liner. Oh well, if even one person thinks
about it, I guess that's better than none. I won't even go into the stupidity
of 10 line .sig files.

Tom
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