HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:20:59 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
 <Bzoq6n.24ut@austin.ibm.com> <MUFFY.92Dec22164023@remarque.berkeley.edu>
 <BzpwpK.24xG@austin.ibm.com> <MUFFY.92Dec23080635@remarque.berkeley.edu>

In article <MUFFY.92Dec23080635@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) says:
>In article <BzpwpK.24xG@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R.
>Weiss) writes:
>>In article <MUFFY.92Dec22164023@remarque.berkeley.edu>
>muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>>[stuff heartlessly condemned to the bit bucket]
>
>What does this have to do with anything?  Last I heard, we were talking
>about feminism.  Now you suddenly pull in gender-neutral language.  What
>does that have to do with people accepting someone calling themselves a
>feminist?
>Muffy
>--
>Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
>muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
>"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
>not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn

May I venture to sugguest that what is actually being talked about
is priotization of goals?

Alan (and I, in a previous post) have been making sugguestions about
facilitating communication.  You're talking about confronting a stereotype
and maintaining a meme that women have the right to define themselves.

Kinda doubt there is real basis for argument there, just some
different axioms.

Graydon
From: C.G.C.vanDijk@IO.TUDelft.NL
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-femmes
Date: 28 Dec 1992 06:49:42 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> From: robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael)
> Subject: Het males & bi-femmes

> ...  Oddly enough, though all the female
> characters don't have much of a problem with the new communal sex structure,
> there is a noticeable reaction and avoidance of any M-M sex in the book,
> ...
> 	But I don't see how any of this makes a difference unless there is
> a polyamorous side to the story, wherein the male is allowed to experience
> the bi-femme behavior first hand.  Otherwise, the bi side of the female
> would remain a mysterious part of the woman, ...

Let me (male) try to de-mystify some of this.  It has been some time that I
read 'Stranger in a strange land', but I do not think there was a lot in there
that I would call a bi-relation.  My opinion:
If you are hetero, you will probably get turned on seeing a MOTOS being
sexually excited.  Seeing two MOTOS like that will be even better.  And there
isn't even a MOTSS around to be jealous of.  All those lesbian porn movies
and telephone numbers are not aimed at the LGB market, but simply at hetero
males.
I think Heinlein did not advocate any sort of bi-sexuality, but rather wrote
down what he and his audience would want to read.  His audience (then) would
not have been pleased with gay sex.

Guess I'm not a Heinlein fan.  Oh well.  I'll re-read the answers to my
de-muffining to cheer up again :-)

Casper

Casper G.C. van Dijk               "Broken words,
Delft University of Technology      never meant to be spoken"
the Netherlands                                    Bob Dylan
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 17:46:55 CST
From: <U23700@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-fems

as to whether or not hetero women think of bi-triangles as m-f-m,
a close female friend i've known for a long time has said she always
thought of this (m-f-m and all permutations possible).

also, apparently het women do fantasize about watching 2 men get it
on, although they didn't always. my friend was very interested to find
in the new nancy friday book 'women on top' that watching 2 men and
perhaps joining them is a new idea in women's fantasies, not present
in ms. friday's previous collections and analysis of women's sexual
fantasies, 'my secret garden' and 'forbidden flowers' (both from the
middle/late 1970s). her thesis in this latest book is that the women's
movement, sexual revolution, etc., have spawned changes in the types
of fantasies women now allow themselves to have. my friend, who thought
she must be rather odd when not finding her m-f-m fantasies in the first
2 books, was exultant to find that other women now have these kinds of
fantasies, and that she was not the only 'weird' het female who had
these fantasies.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper)
Subject: Re: Okay...okay...here is an official demuffin...
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:42:35 GMT

Ohmigosh, another ex-muffin! I'll have to update my store of hugs,
but for you... H U G ! ! !

How's the weather up there at CMU? Oh, speaking of muffins, if you
know a friend of mine up there named Muffin Rogers, ask her how
come she hasn't emailed me.

Welcome to soc.bi, you big stud. Hope your sojourn here is full
of happiness. :-D

	S U B T L E    H I N T    F O L L O W S

I've been away for a while and would suuuuuuuuuuure like to resume
getting e-mail from y'all. Hugs (and chaste, yet sweetly lingering
kisses) to all of you!

Tep

-- 
Did you really think I spoke for anyone else? Boy, you're gullible!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:17:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.213425.2394@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>   Other reactions I've had have included "You know, I expected you to
>look a lot different."  When I asked what she had expected, she said
>"The cover of Aqualung."

Oh no, no, not at all: you look (in my head) like Rick Wakeman, only
taller.

>   I dunno; do I come across as the sort of person who "[sits] on a
>park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent?"

<drool> he knows the lyrics, he knows the lyrics... Folks, I do love
this man...

>   The other reaction I had, for which I was rather angry with myself,
>occured when a gorgeous young woman stopped me and said "Can I talk to
>you about your stories?"  I said "Later, I'm on my way to a scene."

And you didn't invite her along?

>When I got into the sling room, the first thing out of my mouth was
>"Fans!" in this exasperated tone.  Oh, well.  I'll learn.

If I yelled "Fans!", I'd be wanting oiled Nubian slaves waving ostrich
feathers...

>>Intimidating? Me? Dear God
>
>   Yes, Roy, You *are* intimidating.  So am I.  Remember we are
>voluminous in our posting and confident in our majority.  That scares
>people.

This is a frightening thought.  I don't want to intimidate anyone who
doesn't want to be intimidated.

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Is personality visible through email
Organization: who, me?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.141641.27714@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>When I met some soc.bi folk at the London Pride march and then up in
>Edinburgh, several people were surprised that I was not much like I
>appeared on the net. It appears that I come across as being 40+ years of
>age and have no sense of humour. I was amused when I met Kay Dekker and
>after chatting to him for about 5 minutes he proclaimed "You're nothing
>like what I expected. You're *smiling*!"


Well, to be honest, Ciaran, my view of you has changed dramatically
over the last week.  I think the thread on feminism/separatism/et.al.
has done the most to promote the changes.  Er, not that you're
supposed to care, or anything, just that I find it interesting how
much my view of someone can change as I read more of their posts on
a variety of topics...



Piglet, clearly babbling again...
Xref: sparky soc.bi:17163 soc.motss:53434
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:57:05 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Dec21.220208.19407@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
>In <BzMLsL.2tMy@austin.ibm.com>
>alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>>"What is the quickest and most effective way to change the thought
>>patterns of this society?"
>
>Role models (e.g. Alan Turing, for gay men, at least if they're
>computer geeks).

If Alan Turing's supposed to be a role-model, I'll turn straight.
And give up computers.  And have a sex change.

Gus, why on earth would anyone want to be a sociopathic chess-player
who worked for the Government?

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:32:40 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



I threw a zinger at Jojo:
   >> >(1) Germany, 1935-194?. Ever read German w.r.t. foreigners (i.e.
   >> >Jews)?  The language, indeed, quickly adapted to the needs of its
   >> >users, to blame and denigrate 'foreigners'. Now, was this because people
  >>Denigrate?
eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) reacts:
 >Wow, Mara, that was subtle.  I stared at the screen a good five minutes
 >before my brain went *click*.  And it was audible, too.

<chuckle>

 >Does that mean I should strike "denigrate" from my vocabulary?  Or that
 >it's an excellent example of (1) above.  Or both?

The truly PC reaction is, of course, to strike it from your
vocabulary.  I'm not really convinced that it's the effective
opposite of saying something like, "That's mighty white of you,"
but if the word is going to land badly on someone's ears for that
reason, I can generally find an elegant workaround.

I pointed it out because, in that context, it jumped at me. 
(Down, word.  Sit.  Stay.  Good word.  Have a treat.)

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Xref: sparky soc.bi:17025 soc.motss:53234
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:34:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec21.133427.25430
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec21.114848.11713@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>[ much deleted ]
>
> >I can't *see* the point of feminism if it isn't to clue in the type
> >of person I used to be, and then to continue educating the type of
> >person I've become.
>
>And this is a lot of the problem.  

He should go to a friendly neighborhood auto-clue packet center,
commonly called a library or bookstore, and get one of any number of
excellent books on Feminism and Women, and take part in the
'continuing education' which he believes is central to Feminism.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: a *bench* of bisexuals?
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:21:56 GMT

Oof.  Was much fun.  Anyone want details....

(they're *all* hot guys....all three of them....I wanna move to
England!)

 - Kateri

(oh, Tanaqui love, you didn't say anything I objected to....if there
are any secrets, let me know, guys....)

-- 
 
Here, write it, or it will be erased by the wind.

					 - Isabel Allende
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Hug Request :)
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:40:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1h4t1tINNedj@agate.berkeley.edu>
rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>Considering the problems I've had posting this, it's becoming fairly
>ridiculous.
>[...]
>May I be hugged please?

Hey, you just have been! -- and I hadn't even received your request --
except maybe telepathically -- oh, I get it, I read all the headers first,
and my subconscious obliged at the appropriate moment. (I hope. Sir.)

Not sure if my posts are making sense any more ...
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, |  [Profound thought for 1993]
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End |     "Philishave is about
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 |      personal choice" 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk |             -- TV advert
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: More words stuff
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:22:50 GMT

In article <1ha0laINNms1@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
:In article <9212230233.AA03738@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
:
:>Tom Limoncellus came out with a brilliant one the other day.  I wish I'd
:>saved it.  In fact, it was so good I may go back and look for it.
:
:I did?  I wish I remembered it!

I looked and it was gone.  I'm *sure* it was you - I remember thinking
'how could someone called *celli get that wrong?'

G
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
Date: 24 Dec 1992 06:19:10 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>And, Muffy, why *do* you regard yourself as bi, rather than say, as
>a person with catholic tastes in sex partners?  (honestly curious).

*splutter*  OK, I'm not Muffy (I can't wear that black stretchy
non-dress *nearly* as well as she can), but *splutter* all the same.  I
have no idea what that question is supposed to mean.  I, for one, would
happily respond "I'm both".

hugs
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:06:44 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
 <1992Dec20.192301.1250@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Dec21.152115.510@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
 <1992Dec22.141030.16600@thelema.uucp>

If I may follow up Stella's nifty posting with a little tiny instance of
tactical advice; the word 'feminist' tends to make most men defensive.
Why this should be so is a long essay, but - talk about fairness and
pain - most folks is for fairness and against pain - rather than 'feminism',
if you don't want the guy to turtle.

There's a certain element of the male experience of feminist philosphy
that goes 'this is going to tell me I'm deficent in painful detail - ack!';
I, for one, am very resitant to being told I'm any more deficent than
the next person over.  Telling me I'm doing something that you find
hurtful is going to get my attention, though.

All of the above being very solidly in the context of 'if it interests
you to try, it might help..'.

Graydon
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ouz085@cck.coventry.ac.uk (J Murdock)
Subject: Re: Selective Memory?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.135134.16226@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>The prevaling "mood" on soc.bi changes all the time. Sometimes it is
>predominately fluffy; other times it seems to be swamped with serious
>discussions; and other times it seems to be full of flames.

I quess it just goes to show that bi-folk just can't make up their minds
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Is personality visible through email
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:58:12
Organization: savage hackers
	<s882916.724998449@otto>
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: s882916@otto's message of 22 Dec 92 04:27:29 GMT

In article <s882916.724998449@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:

> From my , oh so subjective experience, and in my opinion, which I'm sure
> will be sneered at, net communications is a terrible way to communicate
> personality.

  Actually, it's quite effective.  Witness this current post of yours,
for instance... it certainly gives several tasty (or unsavory, depending
upon your proclivities) bits of insight into your personality.  In
general, of course, the better (or sometimes, the more impassioned) the
writer, the more people will get out of the communication.

> On the basis of one posting, one that was hard to write
> and that I wasn't sure I wnated to send in the first place, I have been
> called a prude, priggish, anti-porn and a seperatist.

  Are you saying that because your post was difficult to write or post,
people should be able to perceive who you are more adroitly than a
similar post that was easy to write?  Or are you implying that people
should try harder when it's harder to write, or if you're new?  Or
something else?

> ALl my friends laughed at this description of me,

  Then why does it matter to you, if no one that knows you thinks or
believes that?  Why does it matter so much that the net has empathy,
understanding, and compassion for you?  I wonder, as a general question,
why is it that we care so much about the opinions and thoughts of
strangers (I can understand the opinions o' friends/loves part)?

> Nope, the net is too easily mis-read, mis-interpreted and people lay 
> their own opinions on those of the writer. NOBODY on this net really
> know my personality. And I'm sure no one would really care too.

  I'd question where the blame should fall, if anywhere, here... if you
don't have the communication skills to convey your thoughts and
personality, and then tell people to go to hell for not understanding
you, perhaps you're getting what you merit, regardless of your desires
to the contrary.  After all, many people do get their points and
personalities across, and many of us have started, had (and finished,
unfortunately) deep, meaningful relationships via this electromagnetic
muse.

 -- d, as surly and sad as ever
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:23:41 EST
From: Ellen <DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Purity
 <93001.010248SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1i2qagINN5ht@rave.larc.nasa.gov>
 <1i3hr2INN9in@agate.berkeley.edu> <93002.112302DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <l652!qc@rpi.edu>

>Helm, lock in on Muffin... Fire hugs one and two...
><Sound FX>
><Hug!>  <Hug!>
>Direct hits.  Status?

*oommmmph!*  (and again)  *oommmmph*

heh, I think I could get to like this place (once I get my breath back)

______________________________________________________________________________
"I shall surpress my every urge."
       -The Tick, upon being asked to act `normal' when Arthur's sister visits
From: DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Len)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Purity
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:40:14 GMT
 <93002.182341DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1993Jan03.175645.8197@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

>Yikes, another Ellen (makes three now - right?)

>This should lead to some entertaining confusion.

>Ellen

Well, I'll also answer answer to Len.  A girlfriend from Iran found it
impossible to pronounce my name, so we came up with something she was able
to say easily.  Len seemed much better than *shudder* ... Nellie

|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
|"I shall surpress my every urge."                                       |
|       -The Tick, when asked to act `normal' when Arthur's sister visits|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 12:31:27 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Keywords: long,angsty,nonfluffy

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>Reminds me of what Joe said though: "OK, couples
>where both partners may agree uncoerced to be mono may not be *HARMfully*
>[trademark Giuseppino vocal dip] fucked in the head, but they're still
>fucked in the head."

   Uh oh...

   I think that afternoon I put that a bit more forcefully than is really
in my head, mainly as a reaction to you so determinedly getting my goat the
whole day, I think. 8-P

   But still, through a series of various things happening through the
year, I'm beginning to lose my all-embracing mono-tolerance that used
to be my trademark over in alt.poly... I'm not saying it *is* gone, mind
you, but... yeah, it's an issue in flux for me.

   It's a shame, in a way; I've had people write to me after something
I've said there, thanking me for being mono-friendly. [sigh] I shall
have to think on this some more. In another way, I'm obscurely glad to
disillusion a few people who've seemed to think of me as some Poly guru.
[troubled smile]

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Okay...okay...here is an official demuffin...
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.172755.24815@news.cs.brandeis.edu> shogan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>HI!
>
>Oooops, I mean Hi.  I realize that I am doing this when some people 
>are away.  Not on purpose, you understand...just coincidence...really.
>I am kinda shy, though...I thought I would peek in and say that I've
>been lurking since June, or thereabouts, oh yeah, this is also the 
>first time I've read the list down to zero postings![...]

Welcome! Welcome!

>It was thanks to you that I got to overhear my (extremely, very, etc. 
>conservative) brother say to my mother that I have better taste in 
>women than in men <giggle>.

Ooh!

Good taste is to be encouraged, but bad taste has its moments ;)

>Oh, hugs would be welcome...if you are so inclined...

 *hug* *hug*

 <snuggle>

 *hug* *hug*

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Is personality visible through email
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:18:26 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <BzGt0r.LLH@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>[from reading my postings, some folk think that I am about 40]
>
>Actually, I always thought you were somewhere between 19 and 21.
>I guess it's the boyish innocence and enthusiasm that did it. (How
>old are you, anyway?)

A lady never tells her age.

I'm 24 and no lady.


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Newsgroups: soc.bi