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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:06:24 AES
From:         Ian=Brabham%CC%Monash@BANYAN.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Hardware Platform Questions
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David L, Blair,

>How small can drive1 be??  I was think about getting a Quantum 105 Pro LPS
>SCSI.  So when you do this you install the NOS only on drive1 and all other
>services go on the other drives.  I would assume this reduces your Inode count
>by 2000 nodes.

I think the smallest Banyan are recomending is 80 Meg at rev 5.  I think we
are about to see a rush on /disk1 space from Vines with all the new goodies
being pushed so don't stint.

There is a big difference between the LPS105S, the LPS120S and the 120S.
Both LPS' are third height (1 inch) drives.  The 120S is a half height (1.6
inch).  Don't you just love the confusing naming scheme.  The LPS105 is a
17ms drive, 64K of cache and about 800Kb/sec transfer rate.  The LPS120 is
a 16ms drive, 256K of cache and about 1300Kb/sec transfer rate.  The 120S
is a 15ms drive, 56K (fifty six) of cache and about, I think, 1000Kb/sec
transfer rate (I don't have a 120S, anybody got one and a copy of Coretest
or whatever).

Survey the field of drives available very carefully.  Even with no user
services on /disk1 I find it is still the busy drive.  Get the highest
performance drive you can for your /disk1.  If you have good discipline
and can keep you /disk1 empty (less than 40% full) don't worry too much
about seek time, look at the sustained transfer rate of the drive and
controller, measure it don't take there word for it!

I am still coming to grips with the S10 inodes and rev 5 but I think they
are going to be a problem of the past (fingers crossed :).


>How can you disable the SCSI ROM BIOS if you still have a SCSI HD and Tape
>drives?  Does Vines have the drives table built-in?

Ah!!! you can't do without the ROM if you have all SCSI disks.  The ROM
is only needed for the system bios to be able to bootstrap the server.  If
you however have a WD1003 compatible type drive (ST506, ESDI, IDE) as your
/disk1 the system bios knows how to talk to that drive without extra code.

Vines Unix, once up and running, makes absolutly no use of any of the roms,
all that code is written to run in "real mode" and is totally useless to
Vines Unix which runs proper, 32 bit, full blown, virtual memory, protected
mode code.  For SCSI disks Vines does it the proper way and just asks the
drive how many sector does it have and couldn't care less what heads or
tracks there are, thats the drive interface electronics problem.  For 1003
type drives the shape is written in a block on the disk when you mkfs the
file system and the driver code has to do the translation from sector number
to heads/cylinder/sector.

Ian Brabham                 email: ian@banyan.cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
Melbourne Australia
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From:         Kelly=Yock%Systems%PCBs@BANYAN50.BV.TEK.COM
Subject:      re: EBANYAN ERROR MESSAGE
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FYI....

We have a beta test patch for the Intel EtherExpress/16 native client driver
that is supposed to allow EBANYAN to work......we'll be loading it onto the
server over the weekend....and should have it tested next week.

I'll keep the list posted on the results.

Kelly Yock
Tektronix, Inc.
(503)627-3690
Kelly.Yock@Tek.Com
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:42:28 CDT
From:         Lori=Kingery%ecd%USACERL@AARDVARK.CECER.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      re: BAD TAPE?
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From:           BENT.TRANBERG@data.aid.no
Subject:        BAD TAPE?
Date:           Wednesday, July 22, 1992 at 1:21:05 pm CDT
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >  I suspect the tapes, or the way we use them. I think the problems with
>  XCOPY which are only minor now, is now caused by errors that have migrated
>  trough the backup from earlier installations of the server.
>
>  A *LOT* more errors are caused by backing up a file volume on another
>  server, and then restoring it on the new server. The tape drives are of
>  different capacity, but the new server's high capacity tape drive should
>  be able to read and write the low capacity tapes, or...? There are no
>  error messages during the restore, but 10 percent of the files have
>  strange new names, an unknown number changed contents, and some
>  directories and files are not readable or deleteable.

I wonder if this might not be an occurance of a problem that someone
mentioned a while back?  Someone (I would give odds that it was either
Ian Brabham or Elliot Coates, but I can't find the note right now, so I'm
not certain) was describing the proper method of doing backups, which
basically consisted of buying two exact duplicate tape backup drives,
backing up on one and verifying on the other.  The theory was that the
drives can settle a bit until they can read their own tapes, but not
tapes from any other drive.  Then, if the drive fails, other drives
cannot read the backups from the skewed drive.

It sounds like you may be witnessing more problems than this solves,
but this phenomenon might be part of your woes.

Lori Kingery		kingery@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu
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From:         David=Lloyd%JoStu%UIUC=CMC@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: Hardware Platform Questions
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Ian,

How small can drive1 be??  I was think about getting a Quantum 105 Pro LPS
SCSI.  So when you do this you install the NOS only on drive1 and all other
services go on the other drives.  I would assume this reduces your Inode count
by 2000 nodes.

How can you disable the SCSI ROM BIOS if you still have a SCSI HD and Tape
drives?  Does Vines have the drives table built-in?


Does anyone use Vines on a EISA Server??  If so, does going above 16Mb have
any noticable affect on performance with only one CPU in the server?


"Through Complexity there is Simplicity, Through Simplicity there is Complexity"
David L. Blair			davidb@uiuc.edu		(217)-333-2565 - Voice
Computer Resource Coordinator	U of I - Col. of Comm.	(217)-333-7151 - FAX
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:12:41 CDT
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From:         Todd Yeager <TMY%WVNVM.bitnet@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject:      Survey results

Forwarded via Project Gutenberg--Reply to Specific Addressee
Todd Yeager TMY@WVNVM
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The following note contains a summary of the answers to the questions I
asked recently about professional reference staffing.  As of the
time I began summarizing the results, 32 libraries had responded.

Total number of hours library is open ranged from a minimum of 65 hours
a week to a maximum of 102.

Professional staffing ranged from a minimum of 44 hours a
week to a max of 95 (!) a week.  (The main library at WVU has a
librarian at the desk 77 out of 98 service hours a week.)

Average length of weekday shifts at the reference desk was 2.6.

Average number of weekend days worked each semester is 3.8

Average number of hours at the reference desk each week for
individual librarians was 12.5.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to my questions.

*************************************************************************
Todd M. Yeager                         West Virginia University Libraries
Coordinator, Interlibrary Loan         Morgantown, WV 26506-6069
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:45:31 CDT
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Subject:      Zen/Internet Apologia

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This is a very interesting and important discussion. The main
thing that bothers me is that Prentice Hall has somehow acquired
(or is perceived to have acquired) exclusive rights to the new
edition. Authors should learn enough about copyright, contracts,
etc. to insure that this does not happen. Yes, hardcopy publication
makes sense, will help spread the information, etc., but the
author should remain owner and controller of the material, and
electronic circulation should not be preempted (at least not in
a situation that began as electronic!) by some publisher. Probably,
legally speaking, the hardcopy publication does not preclude the
same sort of updating of the electronic publication, unless the
publisher has somehow pressured the author into signing an
unnecessarily exclusive contract -- something that we all should
be on guard about in the transition period in which we operate.

Bob Kraft, UPenn (editor, OFFLINE column)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:59:08 CDT
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Subject:      Re: Zen II and "exploiting the market"
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The "chicken and the egg" syndrome of online Internet guides is somewhat
prevalent, and also somewhat misleading; anyone who gets an account will
be beyond a generic introduction to their specific mailer, but they will
get a local introduction to their mailer.  From there it is elementary--
in the extreme, to send a message to various email servers which will do
an email of Zen or any file of that size.  (Zen I is about 175K)

If the person is so much of a novice that they can't even send/receive a
single email message, then anything as general as the Internet guides is
not going get them over that threshold.  Once over that threshold, all a
person needs is the simple instructions available in each of the Project
Gutenberg Newsletters and a wide variety of other sources.

Actually, the best reason I have heard for paper copies is that you will
have trouble using an etext manual at the same time you are running such
programs as you want help with. . .however, the simplest TSR (Terminate,
Stay Resident) programs such as SideKick provide easy access to the text
files, as do the more complex TSR's that come with the Norton Commander,
PCTools, etc.  Even the oldest floppy only PC's can do this with ease; a
person can also write their own notes during the learning process and do
their own upgrades to the Internet guides as they go along, with the aid
of such TSR programs.  In fact, we will be encouraging this for users of
"A Child's Garden of the Internet" which should be generally available a
few alpha and beta test versions from now in the middle of the Fall.

Right now the only versions are alpha versions, and not meant to be out,
but a few copies have obviously escaped.  If you are not a contributor--
please don't ask for a copy yet, they will be highly publicized, and our
interactions with paper publishers have yielded permission to keep these
files on the networks where they belong, while simultaneously published,
in the normal sense.

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:29:35 CDT
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From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan%equinox.unr.edu@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject:      Re: 1880 Census Reprints

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From: cwolff                               <UA0281@UOKMVSA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 1880 Census Reprints

we have purchased all volumes of the Norman Ross reprints--
and will probably continue to do so for the nineteenth
century volumes--the 1880 census price jump seems justified
since there are probably as many volumes of the census in
that year as for the previous reprints.  given the fact
that the material is on acid-free paper and that our volumes
are falling apart -- even by just breathing on them -- i
was able to justify purchase.  we have alot of departments
(e.g., sociology, history, pol sci) that make use of the
historic census.  about all i can suggest is: if you don't
have heavy use, then, yes, the price is too high -- in
a way, norman ross is much like CIS: if you're the only
game in town, you write your own price--
  cindi wolff
 university of oklahoma
  p.s. excuse the cynicism, but can anyone really afford the
    CIS Executive Documents fiche collection without selling
    their first born?
  'i should have been a pair of ragged claws
   Scuttling across the floors of silent seas...'
   t.s. eliot
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:20:58 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject: Re: Offers: ICC Annual Reports

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Date:     Thu, 23 Jul 92  16:29:41 EDT
Subject:  Re:  Offers:  ICC Annual Reports

> ICC annual report for:
>
>         1924, 1926-1931, 1933 and 1938.
>
>    Please contact Terry Wang
>                   Head, Government Publications and Maps
>                   Univ. of Texas at Arlington Lib.
>                   P.O. Box 19497
>                   Arlington, Texas 19497
>                   (817) 273-3000, ex. 4968
>
>
>    Thanks.

Dear Ms. Wang:

If all else fails, you may wish to contact the Center for
Legislative Records (NSC), National Archives, Washington DC
20408.  The telephone number is (202) 501-5350.  This unit
has a record copy of all government publications and could
provide electrostatic (paper) copies of the documents in
question for $.25 per page.

Sincerely,

THEODORE J. HULL
Center for Electronic Records
National Archives
(202) 501-5579
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Subject:      Sudoc number questions

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 From: Walt Stubbs
 Subject: Sucdoc Problems

 We frequently find the same sudoc number on two different titles.
 We have been sending request for the correct number to Shelia McGarr,
 but she does not respond.  Does anyone have a suggestion about to
 whom to send these kind of questions?  Waiting for corrections on
 the pink sheets can take years.
 .

 Walter Stubbs
 Southern Illinois University
 Carbondale, Il 62901
 AXVSCWS@UICVMC  (618) 453 2708
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:39:29 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject: OFFER: Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance

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From: Robin Gruner <VB7R0018@smuvm1.BITNET>
Organization: Southern Methodist University
Subject:      OFFER:  Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance
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Once again the General Services Administration has sent me a copy of the
Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance directly.  I have a depository copy
of the 1992 Catalog, and I do not need another.  First-come basis, please
reimburse postage.  I have tried to get GSA not to sent a copy directly, but
I think I'm talking with a machine.  Are other depositories having this
same "problem"?

Robin Gruner
Documents Librarian
Fondren Library
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275-0135
Phone 214/692-2331
vb7r0018@smuvm1.bitnet
vb7r0018@vm.cis.smu.edu
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Subject:      Re: ONLINE ACCESS TO CONGRESSIONAL INFORMATION

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From: SLIB1848@vega.selu.edu
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I support your request.

Marilyn Moore
5218 Riverbend Blvd.
Baton Rouge, LA 70820
(504) 769-2732
slib1848@selu.edu
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From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject: OFFERS: and some questions

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From: Marcia Gorin <GORIN@fsuavm.BITNET>
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I have the following duplicates to offer:

D5.402:M66 Strategic Minerals: U.S. Alternatives, 1990.

Shipping List 92-319
AE2.106/3:10/pt.0-50/1992

Shipping List 92-388
Ju6.8/a:496/pt.2
Ju6.8/b:991/91-5843
Ju6.8/b:991/91-164

Shipping List 92-386
Ju6.8/b:991/91-535
Ju6.8/a:496/pt.1            Please reimburse in stamps for paper.

Shipping List 92-0013-E
E3.55:1992/doc

Shipping List 92-1463-M
EP1.8:SO3/4

Since I am a new subscriber, I might be asking some questions that have already
 been covered.  Please bear with me.

1. Does anyone know of a bindery that makes a clear distinction between the
capital letter "I" and the "#1" on the spine of a book?

2. Does anyone know if there are plans to issue the Post Reports regularly
or will they just be issued sporadically?

3. Since we are going to check out some floppy disks, does anyone know if a
light pen has any adverse affect on the floppy?

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would send me a copy of shipping
list 92-869-M.  I have tried at several libraries around here.  I haven't
been too concerned, since we received the fiche, but it would be nice to
have the shipping list. Thank you.  (Fax #904-644-4702)

Marcia Gorin
Documents Dept. Strozier Library
Florida State University
Tallahassee, Fl. 32306-2047
Bitnet gorin@fsuavm
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:47:03 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject:      Software for GPO products

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:24 EDT
From: MAXYMUK@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject: Software for GPO products
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I am posting this for someone without access to GOVDOC-L.

Does anyone know of a handy list of commercial software for the Census
and other GPO CD-ROM products?

Or does anyone have any recommendations for particular commercial
software packages for GPO CD-ROM products?
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:00:47 GMT
From:         Duncan Aldrich <duncan@equinox.unr.edu>
Subject: Re: OFFER: Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:19 CDT
From: AMS1664@TNTECH.BITNET
Subject: Re: OFFER:  Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance
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We have had a similar "problem" for the past two years of receiving a
direct mail copy of the Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance.  We have
found a happy (and grateful) home for our duplicates at our local and
none-to-well-funded public library.  Don't overlook this option to help
the local community & build goodwill.

Ann Sanders
Tennessee Technological University Library
Cookeville, TN
AMS1664@TNTECH.bitnet
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