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From: mancur@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Rick Mancuso)
Subject: Re: A new tax system ... was Vote...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:00:36 GMT

In article <7975@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>
>It seems that you could also accomplish some of this by using
>a two-tiered sales tax on some items. For example, you could
>keep the sales tax on cars costing under $20,000 5% but make 
>it 10% on cars over $20,000.   You'd have to limit this type 
>of thing to only a handful of items, though, since too many
>would result in a mess of regulations.

I think removing the income tax in favor of a consumption tax is about the 
worst thing the government could do.  Why on earth would you want to penalize 
someone for spending money?  When you purchase goods, you are supporting 
people, industries, businesses.  Taxing consumption would give people an 
incentive to avoid spending money.  This kind of backwards thinking is what
would turn a recession into a depression.  Congress is considering repealing
the luxury tax they tagged on to the 1990 budget agreement.  I think they've
already repealed the portion regarding boats.  Even the democrats agree that
it has been a failure.  If you think peoples wallets get tight during 
recessions now, what do you think it would be like with a consumption tax
staring them in the face.  It just doesn't make economic sense.  

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From: boba@miki.pictel.com (Bob Alexander)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: What happened to non-Big Three votes?
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:31:58 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

>If the best the libertarians can come up with is sit around and hope
>the media coverage voluntarily increases coverage then good luck to
>them, it probably won't work.

I wasn't trying to imply that.  All I'm saying is that the popularity
of our ideas hasn't been fully tested, thus we can't draw conclusions yet.

>I think the problem is that whatever people who *have* heard your
>message have rejected it, plus or minus a few fringees.

I disagree.  Libertarians are more vocal on Usenet than in the general
population.  As a result, I know many Usenet lurkers who have become
libertarian.  If we had similar exposure nationwide, I believe (but
obviously can't prove) that we would get several million votes for
President.

>A supposed nation-wide party that managed to get on 50 states' ballots
>but gets, on average, less than 6,000 votes per state is not exactly
>making progress,

Our presidential ticket did poorly (perhaps in part due to Perot's
presence) but our candidates for lower offices show steadily increasing
vote totals.  I believe we are making progress.

By the way, what is your motive for gloating over our poor results?  Do
you wish we would disappear entirely?  Are you trying to convince
people that libertarianism is wrong and offering our low vote totals
as evidence?  This is not meant to challenge you; I am really curious.

     Bob Alexander                                     boba@pictel.com
       The more the government does, the better libertarianism looks
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From: boba@miki.pictel.com (Bob Alexander)
Subject: Re: What happened to non-Big Three votes?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:39:00 GMT

>For the record: Yes, I think libertarianism is rather silly,

I never would've guessed. :-)

>In this day and age the last thing we need is another dogmatic "ism".

Interesting.  Libertarians have a philosophical basis by which they decide
whether a certain government activity is appropriate.  If I understand
you correctly, the consistent application of this principle is what you
call "dogmatic."

But doesn't everyone need some criteria by which they judge gov't actions?
If the criteria is unchanging, isn't it "dogmatic?"  And if it *does*
change, then was it the *real* criteria?  For example, a Republican
might say free enterprise is his criterion.  But when he makes an exception
for industries crucial to national defense, is it that he is non-dogmatic,
or that "free enterprise" was not a full statement of his criteria?

I think most people are unable to state what their real criteria are,
and thus they are viewed as non-dogmatic.  Libertarians have attempted
to put their criteria into words (and that alone makes them unusual and
strange in the political world) and that opens them up to charges of
dogmatism.

What are *your* criteria for evaluating the government?  Do they ever
waver?  If so, what caused it?

     Bob Alexander                                     boba@pictel.com
       The more the government does, the better libertarianism looks
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Taxes (was:Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <Bx96p8.AKL@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com>  
dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
> 
> As far as Social Security goes, it is merely a pyramid scheme which
> allows the government to fraudulently understate the size of the
> budget deficit, and more importantly, the magnitude of the National
> Debt.  This program should be phased out entirely; I think almost 
> everyone would be better off were they allowed to invest their  
money 
> as they see fit, rather than having it stolen by the government to 
> finance its debt.

I agree that Social Security has some problems. However, you
should read some history of the pre-Roosevelt years and find
out why we DO need a Social Security system of some sort.

I think what needs to be done with Social Security is to
get it back to what it was originally intended to be: help
for those in need. The fact that someone making $100,000 a year
can also collect Social Security is appalling. 

> >You're on the right track, however I disagree about VAT.  The  
corporate
> >tax should be eliminated.  The income tax should be eliminated and
> >replaced with a consumption based tax with a base level exclusion.

So how do you take into account the fact that those making 
$500,000 a year can afford to pay a higher percentage of
their income than those making $15,000 a year?

>   1) The Federal budget deficit; competes with industry for funds.
> 
>   2) The personal income tax, which provides a disincentive to use
>      existing capital for investments.

How?  Yes, you have to pay tax on what you earn through an 
investment, but saying that the tax discourages investment is
like saying it discourages working. After all, you have to
pay tax on your salary.  I do think those states which tax
capital gains at HIGHER than the income tax rate do discourage
investment, since people then find something else to do with
their money.

> 
>   3) A tax deduction for interest on consumer debt.  Thankfully,
>      this idiotic incentive to go into debt and profligately
>      spend rather than invest was finally eliminated by the
>      Feds some years ago.  Who was the _idiot_ who suggested this
>      anyway?  Was this part of "voodoo economics"?
> 
> The biggest reason I hate income tax is that when you invest,
> you are taxed again on your money.  You _already_paid_your_taxes_
> when you made the money in the first place; I cannot find any
> reasonable justification for paying twice.  Please enlighten me.

How do you figure this?  If I invest $1000, say, I don't pay 
tax twice on that $1000. I only pay on the profit I make from
it. So if I buy $1000 worth of stock and sell it for $1100, I pay
tax on the $100, not on the $1000 (since, as you say, I paid tax
on that when I earned it in the first place).


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Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Inauguration info needed
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:16:01 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.


If I find myself in D.C. during the week of the inauguration in January,
how easy or difficult is it for me to attend the ceremony?

Is it general public sit-anywhere-in-the-mall availablity?
Must one acquire tickets for better seating?  How are they acquired?

What time does it start?  What time should one get there to be able
to see decently?

Should I expect _not_ to be able to find decent dwellings because I
was going to be there at that time?

Thanks for any enlightening information...

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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: ne.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: FDIC (was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:35:40 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

[What's with the cross-posting to 15 newsgroups?  I've
trimmed it down to a reasonable list.]

In article <1992Nov5.222007.29060@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:

|> Wrong.  FSLIC goes up to $100,000 _per_account_.  You can have $1,000,000
|> divided up into ten different accounts, and it's all insured.  You can have
|> $100,000,000 deposited in a thousand different accounts, and it's all insured.

This is not true.

If you have $70,000 in a CD, and $70,000 more in a checking account,
and $70,000 more in a savings account, all in the same bank,
you're still insured for only $100,000--NOT $210,000.

(There are some ways to get around this limit by opening joint
accounts, but the basic point still stands:  any number of
accounts under a single name get lumped together for the
purpose of determining how much is insured.)

-- 
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Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Venting on voter registoration (was Re: Worth noting)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:46:36 GMT

In article <7920@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>Registering to vote
>in most places is simple.  Just go to your town offices ONCE
>after you've moved there and register. After that, you're set,
>until you move again.  I'm really wary about people who
>think this is too much effort. If making one trip into
>town is too much effort for these folks, are they really going
>to make the even bigger effort of staying informed and voting
>intelligently?

Amen!
Every election, there are "public service" anouncements on TV and radio
saying "Vote! It doesn't matter who you vote for, just vote!"
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In other words, take a ballot, close your eyes, and mark it your ballot at
random.
And then we wonder how some politicians get into office.
-- 
Dick Grady               grady@world.std.com
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: jturner@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Turner)
Subject: Re: Venting on voter registoration (was Re: Worth noting)
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
	<1992Nov04.233707.4875@kronos.com> <3448@mitech.com>
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:34:39 GMT

In article <3448@mitech.com> gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:


> Or just voting via phone. You dial 1-900-DEM-VOTE or 1-900-GOP-VOTE
> (a 900 call instead of an 800 call, for obvious reasons)
> and go through a little menu with your vote.

> Cross checking and public keying and make sure multiple votes aren'
>   made.

	As long as checks are made to prevent multiple voting
what exactly are the "obvious reasons" for a 900 number.  The
poll tax has been ruled unConstitutional.

			--Jeff Turner
Newsgroups: ne.politics,ne.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Committee Against Unfair Taxation
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <GANDALF.92Nov2122230@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:09:42 GMT

In article <GANDALF.92Nov2122230@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>
 Thomas M Farrell, gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu writes:
>Beyond that, if your friend is so poor, he would do well to spend his
money
>on something other than smoking supplies. Perhaps a 25 cent per pack
price 
>increase will give him some incentive.

Nahhhh, he'll just get the funds from his food budget.  And
since getting the Federal government to stop subsidizing
tobacco farmers is just so, I don't know, _onerous_ a task,
I'd _much_ rather that the poor (whom I hate anyway) bear the
financial brunt of this burning issue.

Charlie
Newsgroups: ne.politics
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: What happened to non-Big Three votes?
Organization: The World
	<BxAK83.MsA@world.std.com> <1992Nov6.174103.1907@miki.pictel.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:38:53 GMT


If the best the libertarians can come up with is sit around and hope
the media coverage voluntarily increases coverage then good luck to
them, it probably won't work.

Sheesh, you guys barely beat the socialist candidate (around 210K
votes vs 270K votes.)

At under 300K votes it's practically in the noise, people who pulled a
random lever in disgust having no idea what that candidate stood for
(notice the 150K-250K range in the next few offbeat parties.)

I don't think the problem is that "the masses" have particularly heard
your message and rejected it either.

I think the problem is that whatever people who *have* heard your
message have rejected it, plus or minus a few fringees.

See, if your message was compelling it would have some snowball
effect, people would tell each other, people would volunteer to work
for the party, people would donate money and you could pay for your
own media coverage (gee, how libertarian!)

But, thus far, it looks like you guys can't convince the folks you
fully inundate with your message to help you out or sign up. So you
don't get very far.

A supposed nation-wide party that managed to get on 50 states' ballots
but gets, on average, less than 6,000 votes per state is not exactly
making progress, 30 volunteers in each state could spend one hour per
business day after work getting one vote a day for a year and that's
what you would get (I realize it doesn't distribute that smoothly, but
neither should the volunteerism.)

Has it gone up or down since the last presidential election?

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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:05:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <7977@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:

>But how do you handle those folks who don't bother to 
>contribute?  Put them on welfare?  Let them starve?  Make
>them into solyent green?

I vote for solyent green.  I can feed it (them?) to my cat:-)



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From: tucker@bedford.progress.COM (Kyle Tucker)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Looking for steel rings
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:28:22 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@bedford.progress.COM
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

I am trying to locate a couple of 8 inch steel rings, approx 1/4-3/8 in
round steel so I can have a steel fab shop make them into rings to hold
a woks. If you have these or know of where I may find them, please let me know. Thanks.
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From: marilyn@ai.mit.edu (Marilyn Melithoniotes)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted,ne.housing,mit.bboard
Subject: Darkroom space/Boston
Date: 13 Nov 1992 20:52:03 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu

I am looking to rent/share darkroom space in the 
Cambridge/Watertown/Belmont, MA area.  Basically it 
would need several electrical outlets, access to 
running water, not too dusty, etc.  I have my own
equipment.

I would appreciate any leads...

Please send e-mail to marilyn@ai.mit.edu

Thank you.
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted,ne.news
Subject: Re: How do I create an alt group?
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:10:23 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

I'm sure I haven't spared myself the email or responses, but thanks
to Helen Trillian Rose at EFF, I found what I needed in alt.config.

Thanks!

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: neenan@miki.pictel.com (Kevin Neenan)
Subject: selling a membership info
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:19:54 GMT



I have a lifetime membership to HOLIDAY HEALTH, in
Peabody, and I'm thinking of selling it. Is there
anyone out there that has done this before? What
do they sell for? Is it worth trying to do or has
the economy made selling this a fruitless task?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

Kevin Neenan  Peabody  day- 508 977 8254
or

neenan@pictel.com
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: chawla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Rahul Chawla)
Subject: Looking for : Daisywheel Printers
Reply-To: chawla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:36:36 GMT

If you have a Daisywheel printer that you want to sell please let me know :
(if you know of a place that sells one -- locally ).

Brands I am interested in : Diablo(630), Dataproducts DP-55
         		    Others: must be 55cps or more +
			    Serial/API-Centronics.

Condition : Should be in working condition, body appearence does not matter.
	    Would like a manual with it if you have one (not necessary).

Quantity  : Many :-)

Please direct your reply by e-mail.

Thanks!

/Rahul

chawla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
rahul@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
				
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From: JEFF-G@cup.portal.com (Jeff - Griffin)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: WANTED: Parts for Trophies
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 02:23:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Can anyone direct me to either manufacturers or distributors of parts for
making Trophies and Awards (plaques etc.), Y'know, the 'Bowler/Golfer/Pitcher
figurines (gold/silver color), fancy 'columns' & bases etc.? 
 
	Thanks, Jeff Griffin
Newsgroups: bbn.bboard,bbn.wanted,ne.wanted,ne.forsale
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Need info on CA teacher becoming MA teacher
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:19:56 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.



A friend of mine is currently a junior-high teacher in California, and
would like to move to the Boston area.

Setting aside the current lack of teacher employment here, what does
she need to do in order to teach here?

Basically, I need details on who to contact, how to network, how to
find out what additional courses she may have to take, etc.

I know some of the school systems here are regional versus city-wide,
so any information on how to apply, etc., would greatly help.

Thank you.
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From: azari@ksr.com (Nasser Azari)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Re: Macintosh IIci Forsale.
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:13:51 EST
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

I am looking for a couch, coffee table, desk and night stand.  I need pieces
which are in fairly nice shape.  Please email me your phone number.
From: corvett@csa.bu.edu (Sungyeup Kim)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: WAMTED  used Alesis quadraverb
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:19:43 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: corvett@csa



Hi netters,

Does anybody want to sell used alesis quadraverb(<-sp?)?
I want to get one if it's in good condition.
Please e-mail  me.
Thanks in advance.
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Sungyeup Kim
corvettcsa.bu.edu
From: jeffm@blublaze.sw.stratus.com (jeffm)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: wanted: Phantom tix for saturday the 14th
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:17:03 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: blublaze.sw.stratus.com

I need two tickets for saturday the 14th phantom show.

thanks,

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'82 VT750S                 DoD#525
Summertime Rolls !
From: wjm@utrcv1 (Bill)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Declaration Of Independence - text wanted
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:34:00 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Would someone please Email me a text file of the Declaration of 
Independence.

Thanks,   Bill Mazeika   WJM@UTRC.UTC.COM
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: kdewitt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kathy DeWitt)
Subject: cameo   apperale
Summary: cameo fashions 
Keywords: cameo
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:39:52 GMT



interested in obtaining a cameo catologe you can contact me at
  kdewitt@cwis.unomaha.edu   this catologe contains advertisement for
cameo lounge wear        
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
From: barryn@world.std.com (Barry N. Nelson)
Subject: Burley Lite Bike Trailer
Organization: The World
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:31:41 GMT

I would like to buy a used Burley Lite Bike Trailer in good condition.
Please call or send email.
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From: grljt@cs.ulowell.edu (Jeff Turmelle)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted
Subject: Jeep Wrangler HdTop and Doors Wanted
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:30:32 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science


I am looking for a Hardtop an FULL hard doors for an '88 Jeep Wrangler.

If anyone knows where I can purchase either of the above, please call

Jeff -(508) 251-7500 Weekdays
	    458-9239 Weekends/Nights