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From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:31:55 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc., ISD

In article <C0G4It.Bs4@rice.edu] garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
]In article <3250@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@ (Jerry Dunham) writes:
]>In article <C0Ex9u.6qs@rice.edu] garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
]
]>]What about Carroll Resweber? Or back in the Paleolithic era, Ed Kretz?
]>
]>Sure I remember Carroll...and Dick Mann, and Bart Markel, and Phil Reed, and....
]>For some reason I remember the name, Ed Kretz, but can't put a face or bike
]>with it.  I also remember things like BSA Gold Stars and Velocettes and Ariel
]>Square Fours (the second generation).
]
]``Iron Man'' Ed Kretz was a factory rider for Indian, among other makes, 
]back in the Dark Ages.

Aha!  THAT's where I heard the name!  We have an Indian rider here who still
rides a '48 Chief (in an office around the corner from me) who's talked about
Kretz before.  I had an Indian myself once, a Tomahawk, but it threw a rod 
and I sold it in a basket.

]And speaking of Ariel Square Fours, there's one I've had
]my eye on at Sam's Motorcycles here in Houston for a while. Looks like 
]it's all there, but the previous owner put one of those godawful banana 
]chopper seats on it. Supposedly there's a *really* old (1910s-20s?) bike 
]over there that runs for $1600, so I was told...the guy that mentioned it to 
]me didn't know what kind of bike it was and I haven't had time to check it out.

How could anyone do that to an Ariel?  Is it first generation or second?  Is
the old crock also an Ariel?  Never mind; you said you didn't know, but I al-
ready forgot....

]>Hey Kent, is this guy a DoF candidate?  He's proven he can remember the OLD
]>stuff; now he just has to prove he CAN'T remember the NEW stuff (like what
]>happened last week)!
]
]What's last week? I can barely remember yesterday:-)

WAS there a yesterday?  I must've missed it....
-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: tx
Organization: NOT

kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]>is this the opposite of the keith code technique of getting the turning over
]>early or have I misunderstood you?
]Late apexing is a fancy name for simply identifying the true apex of the
]corner and having the vehicle set for accelleration at that very point. One
]way I think of it is to have the bike line work out so it is perpendicular to
]the apex radius line at the apex (the line, not necessarily the vehicle).

this sounds like code's advertised method, turn late in the corner, get the 
turning over quickly (snap it over), and power out...

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org           aDoF#?                Austin, TX

    'When I asked Unix to make the witches burn I got:
         mcad.dunham-frodo[ 10 ]%make witches\ burn
         Make:  Don't know how to make witches burn.  Stop.
     Ergo, it must be the wizards.' -- Jerry Dunham
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc., ISD

In article <952@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>]>is this the opposite of the keith code technique of getting the turning over
>]>early or have I misunderstood you?
>]Late apexing is a fancy name for simply identifying the true apex of the
>]corner and having the vehicle set for accelleration at that very point. One
>]way I think of it is to have the bike line work out so it is perpendicular to
>]the apex radius line at the apex (the line, not necessarily the vehicle).
>
>this sounds like code's advertised method, turn late in the corner, get the 
>turning over quickly (snap it over), and power out...

Yes, it is the same thing.  The instinct is to dive at the corner, but that
way trouble lies.  Enter the corner wide and try to do more than half of  
your turning before your closest approach to the inside; get on the power
before that point and power out.  Different names have been applied to this
technique, but it's been around for a long time, in two-wheeled and four-
wheeled racing.  High-banked and dirt ovals often require quite different
techniques, but they are the exceptions.

While the advice to stay off of the brakes in corners is basically good for
us mortals, there are those for whom such limits do not appear to apply.  I
haven't followed road racing closely for several years, but I remember the
days when Kenny Roberts would brake his GP Yamaha HARD well into corners.
On uneven pavement, both ends of the bike would be chattering and sliding
about 1/3 of the way into the corner, then he'd get hard into the throttle
and the rear would squirm all the way into the next straight.  When it would
get away from him (as it did regularly), he'd just lever it back upright with
his knee and keep hammering.  That's why he was world champion and we're con-
tent with a reasonable fast tour of the Texas Hill Country.

Don't try the above at home, children.  Your mileage may vary.  Some reas-
sembly may be required.

-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:15:07 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <C0BzrC.1KBD@austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>Also go riding with Kent,  great way to improve your choice of line
>through a curve.  Just remember that his ideal line is not necessarily the
>best for you :-)....

Great. Now I'm gonna have to start practicing what I preach. No more
joyriding. BTW Brakes... We need to work on getting that name changed
next ride :^)

Just remember that I'm not always taking the best line. Sometimes I'm
experimenting with the PC, sometimes I want to make it more challenging
(that's why I ride the PC), and then sometimes I just flat miss it.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Terrorist against Ignorance (Don't send me on my first mission)
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:02:59 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc., ISD

In article <3247@devnull.mpd.tandem.com] joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
]
]KP>> I mean the ones that used to go upwards of 200mhp at Indianapolis.
]JD> I've been there for kart racing and they never got anywhere near 200 MPH.
]                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
]                                                                        |
]KP>> Yep. No transmission.                                              |
]JD> the open-class karts DID have transmissions.                        |
]                                                                        |
]                                                                        |
]KP>> And they were still running lap speeds about 20 mph faster than    |
]KP>> anything else.                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
]     ************* -----------------------------------------------------+
]JD> This part appears accurate.
]                        ?
]
]KP>> we used a Yamaha 100 twin from a racing dirt bike of the era.
]JD> The 100 twin wasn't "a racing dirt bike of the era".  It
]JD> was from a street machine
]
]
]you guys couldn't come up with a solid memory if your lives depended on it.
]:-)

Now wait just a dadgum minute!  I never said that lap speeds EVER got near
200 mph at IRP!  Even the Indy cars were running lap speeds around 100 mph
when I was a regular there.  The karts (and the Morgans...but that's another
story) ran wide open pretty much all the way around the 2.5 mile track.  I
don't recall the kart lap speeds, but they certainly gave the appearance of
higher lap speeds than the Indy cars and USAC stockers (great lumbering
beasts that were out of place at IRP).  SCCA used to run Sports/Racing
there as well, including the CanAm cars, and open-wheeled formula cars.  My
fondest memories of IRP are the images of Cal Rayburn, feet up, drifting
his Harley road racer (basically a flat-tracker) broadside through the last
turn onto the main straight, lap after lap.  Gary Nixon always looked neater,
all tucked in on his Triumph, but Cal got your attention.

I don't suppose any of you whippersnappers even remember Cal....

-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Egads!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:26:27 -0600
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/846-3177, 9600-300
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Why, oh Why, do I suddenly feel like such an innoncent babe?
Why, oh Why, do I feel like I just learned to pronounce "motor" and "cycle"
in the same breath?

:-)

Say, since we lost our newsfeeds over the break, can anyone tell me when/if
we're going to do a ride in the next month or two?

-blaine

          a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."
From: kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Karts (was Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:34:04 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: stanley.nde.swri.edu

In article <3239@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:
>In article <1ic9a1INN241@swrinde.nde.swri.edu] kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>
>Indianapolis?  You don't mean the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, do you?  I
>have never heard of karts racing there.  Might you be referring to Indiana-

Nope, Indianapolis Motor Speedway.  This was in the early '70's. Don't know
how long it lasted. I'm pretty sure I remember a track record of about 202 or
203 mph around '72 or so. I used to have a newspaper clipping of a guy who
died at Indy in a cart - lost it doing right at 200 from what I remember.
Jees Jerry, this was 20 years ago... I don't seem this old...

>I thought I recalled that the open-class karts DID have transmissions.  I
>guess I'm getting fuzzy with the passage of time.

They did - until the Itailians came out with those snazzy 18k rpm engines.
Wasn't much point in a tranny after that & it cut down on the weight and
complexity, etc.  Don't remember who made them. I used to have some brochures
on the engines.  Might wander through the old boxes and see if I can
locate, but I'm sure they were thrown away long ago.

>The 100 twin (actually 97 cc) wasn't "a racing dirt bike of the era".  It
>was from a street machine (I had one), and it was commonly modified for

You are probably correct on that one. We bought and tore up a number of
'used' racing engines for several projects in that time frame. I wasn't
the 'engine' man so I don't well recollect.

>one you describe, but using a Suzuki 125 cc twin.  Last I looked he still
>had a picture of it in his office.

A Reagan HS group (from the auto shop) built a 'drag cart' using one of the
early Kaw triples.  What was it, a 350 or a 400? Too far back. First time
they dropped the throttle, (in the Reagan HS parking lot) it shot flame about
3' out the straight pipes and was GONE as the frame was much lighter than a
MC frame.  I think the engine was heavier than the rest of the cart.  Only
was meant to go in a straight line though.

>What?!  And give up on the MiniCoopers?

Well... I have a budget, and would be doing it just for fun, and would only
be suspension work an tires - probably run a stock engine.  Subarus are cheap
and there are some aspects of that vehicle that I would like to play with. I
think I could come up with something that would surprise a few people... The
engine/tranny is pretty low to the ground :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Eternal bliss can be obtained anywhere. I just forgot how.
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:20:17 GMT

In article <3248@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:

>fondest memories of IRP are the images of Cal Rayburn, feet up, drifting
>his Harley road racer (basically a flat-tracker) broadside through the last
>turn onto the main straight, lap after lap.  Gary Nixon always looked neater,
>all tucked in on his Triumph, but Cal got your attention.
>
>I don't suppose any of you whippersnappers even remember Cal....

As a matter of fact, I do. BTW, it's Rayb_o_rn.

What about Carroll Resweber? Or back in the Paleolithic era, Ed Kretz?


	Dave Garrett		      		garrett@math.rice.edu  
  Department of Mathematics		      standard disclaimers apply      
       Rice University		      	     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++    
         Houston, TX			          Knowledge is Power
From: kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoF Candidate
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:42:11 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: stanley.nde.swri.edu

In article <C0GKwz.FG4@rice.edu> garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>In article <1ifppkINNl2u@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>>
>>oops!!! Forgot... Does he meet the age requirement?
>
>I was waiting for this, Kent....actually, I'm 28.
>
>Gotcha. Heh heh heh.

Well you know what this means.

WE get to decide what aDoF means to You. :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want"
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Karts (was Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc., ISD

In article <1ifbbqINNgan@swrinde.nde.swri.edu] kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]In article <3249@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:
]>In article <1icuscINN67b@swrinde.nde.swri.edu] kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]>]
]>]A Reagan HS group (from the auto shop) built a 'drag cart' using one of the
]>
]>The guy I was talking about who built his from the Suzuki 125 cc twin was at
]>Churchill H.S. at the time.  Was San Antonio a hotbed of such activity back
]>in the '70s?
]
]>](DoF #)  : Eternal bliss can be obtained anywhere. I just forgot how.
]>And I forgot that it was even available....
]
]And I forgot what it looks like. I just keep telling myself... Maybe I'll
]come across it someday. For now, riding or pedalling through the absolutely
]beautiful Hill Country, or canoeing down the Guadalupe is pretty darned
]close. BTW, I haven't had a chance to pursue the MC/bike carrier, but what do
]you think about a MC/canoe trailer???

Interesting that you'd mention that in this thread.  The same guy who built
the Suzuki-powered kart mentioned above also built a canoe trailer for towing
behind a bicycle.  A friend of his used it for a cross-country trip.


-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Sticky Tires (was: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 05:00:47 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <3247@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>
>you guys couldn't come up with a solid memory if your lives depended on it.
>:-)

Solid Memory?  Think I still have an old memory drum somewhere in the attic.
Is that what you mean?

Just remember that you know you are a true DoF candidate only when you truly
understand and can correctly explain to us the concept of Conservation of
Memory.  So don't bother requesting an application till then!!!

>p.s. kent! my new sticky tires are here!

Great! When do I get to try them out???

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : I've been working on the Railllll Rooooad.  Dum Dee Dum ......
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:54:29 GMT

In article <3250@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@ (Jerry Dunham) writes:
>In article <C0Ex9u.6qs@rice.edu] garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:

>]What about Carroll Resweber? Or back in the Paleolithic era, Ed Kretz?
>
>Sure I remember Carroll...and Dick Mann, and Bart Markel, and Phil Reed, and....
>For some reason I remember the name, Ed Kretz, but can't put a face or bike
>with it.  I also remember things like BSA Gold Stars and Velocettes and Ariel
>Square Fours (the second generation).

``Iron Man'' Ed Kretz was a factory rider for Indian, among other makes, 
back in the Dark Ages. And speaking of Ariel Square Fours, there's one I've 
had my eye on at Sam's Motorcycles here in Houston for a while. Looks like 
it's all there, but the previous owner put one of those godawful banana 
chopper seats on it. Supposedly there's a *really* old (1910s-20s?) bike 
over there that runs for $1600, so I was told...the guy that mentioned it to 
me didn't know what kind of bike it was and I haven't had time to check it out.

>Hey Kent, is this guy a DoF candidate?  He's proven he can remember the OLD
>stuff; now he just has to prove he CAN'T remember the NEW stuff (like what
>happened last week)!

What's last week? I can barely remember yesterday:-)

Dave Garrett
garrett@math.rice.edu
'81 CB750/836F





Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: DoF Candidate
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Distribution: tx
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:51:40 GMT

In article <1ifc6vINNgii@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:

>Let's see, What's he got left... If he can :
>- Explain Conservation of Memory (doesn't have to recite as I can't even do
>  that) - this would prove whether he has mid-term memory or not

I would, but I forgot. Long-term, yes; short-term, afraid I fried that out 
years ago; mid-term, ...now where was I anyways? 

>- Truly Wish to be a DoF (as in apply for acceptance)
>- Determine what the DoF Means to him

I'd tell you, but this is a family-oriented newsgroup. And then I'd have 
to kill you, besides.

>I figure he's in. However, he may not want to be associated with us.  I mean,
>we're great guys and all, but you're a pretty strange fellow...

I'm not sure I want to belong to any organization that would have me for a 
member;-)

Dave Garrett
garrett@math.rice.edu
'81 CB750/836F
From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AAahhhh, wipe-out!
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:20:38 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@ (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc., ISD

In article <C0Ex9u.6qs@rice.edu] garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
]In article <3248@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) writes:
]
]>fondest memories of IRP are the images of Cal Rayburn, feet up, drifting
]>his Harley road racer (basically a flat-tracker) broadside through the last
]>turn onto the main straight, lap after lap.  Gary Nixon always looked neater,
]>all tucked in on his Triumph, but Cal got your attention.
]>
]>I don't suppose any of you whippersnappers even remember Cal....
]
]As a matter of fact, I do. BTW, it's Rayb_o_rn.

You're right.  And I knew better, too.  I guess my fingers got ahead of my
brain (easy to do).

]What about Carroll Resweber? Or back in the Paleolithic era, Ed Kretz?

Sure I remember Carroll...and Dick Mann, and Bart Markel, and Phil Reed, and....
For some reason I remember the name, Ed Kretz, but can't put a face or bike
with it.  I also remember things like BSA Gold Stars and Velocettes and Ariel
Square Fours (the second generation).

]	Dave Garrett		      		garrett@math.rice.edu  

Hey Kent, is this guy a DoF candidate?  He's proven he can remember the OLD
stuff; now he just has to prove he CAN'T remember the NEW stuff (like what
happened last week)!

-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: opinions on Adams Quadracycle?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:16:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


I've heard good things about Adams,  I understand that they specialize in
performance modifications etc.  

If I still had a Japanese bike and needed work that I could not perform on 
it myself (lack of tools)  I'd still take it to TJ's.  Then again, I'm partially
biased, a good friend of mine works there and I'd like to see him keep his job. Although if TJ's turned out crappy work I would not patronize them.


	Steve
     A good programmer as a function of what he does manages himself,
     a good programming manager takes care of the paperwork and stays
     out of the way.
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: opinions on Adams Quadracycle?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:25:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


Has anyone had any experiences with Adams Quadracycle, in Austin
on S. Lamar?  My wife went down there for some parts today and said they 
were really friendly, so I was wondering how their service department is.
Their shop is a little easier to get to from my house than TJ's, which is
where I usually go.


-- 
Ray Shea                                      
UniSQL, Inc.                             Sometimes I feel like a blue dog.
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                                     -- The Blue Dog
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650