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From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: On Orthodox Monopoly
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:52:54 GMT


In article <9209091641.AA24489@robocop.NYU.EDU> baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU
(Jonathan Baker) writes:

>... [some O wonem say that ordaining women] would work better in an Orthodox
> situation than in a Conservative one, as Orthodox congregations tend
> to have many shomer-mitzvot men who can lead services, lein, and
> witness marriages.

  But the practical effect would be that outside Orthodox, few
would understand why she wouldn't be able to do tasks limited to men,
despite having the same title.


>   In addition, many of today's Orthodox rabbis have
> been taught by a woman, Nechama Leibowitz. [Should women
> who teach rabbis] have the public acclaim of a modern ordination,
> which is not the smicha from Moshe?

Although I'd recommend doing an end-run around "Rabbi" and
making up a new title like "Morah d'atra" (*) for scholarly women,
it would be more interesting to ask these women what they
themselves like to be called.

(*)  not quite as good a pun as my shul's
     half-a-daf-after-morning-minyan program called
    "Amud HaShachar."

R

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From: engelson-sean@CS.YALE.EDU (Sean Philip Engelson)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:36:10 GMT


In article <matthew.716085477@mugga>, matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
|> richf@comet.base.bellcore.com (Rich Farenci) writes:
|> 
|> >there are numerous accounts by jewish survivors documenting how they were
|> >saved by hiding with polish families, in nearly all of these cases the
|> >protection was bought with whatever money and valuables the jews could
|>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> How much was this "whatever", on average? Enough to risk the lives of
|> the whole family, if the Germans found out about hidden Jews?

I'm not getting involved in this discussion generally, but I'd like to address
this one point.  My grandparents (A"H), my father, and uncle were saved partly
by the efforts of two Polish families during the war.  At the time, the Poles
got everything my grandparents had (my father and uncle were boys).  Then, once
the family came to the US, virtually every penny above basic living necessities
was sent back to Poland to these two families, until about 1955 when they
disappeared for some reason (they moved, or whatever).  This is not an isolated
case; this is indeed what was very often done by responsible Jews who took the
idea that they owed people for their lives very seriously.  Just something to
consider.

	-Shlomo-
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New Haven, CT 06520
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conservative Halacha (was re: Orthodox Monopoly)
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:27:58
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:11:09 GMT

On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:11:09 GMT, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) said:

> My biggest concern with this (semi?/pseudo?) official response  is its
> total lack of even lip service to _any_ Jewish soruces.  Its arguments are
> purely sociological nad it reopens the question of whether Reform retains
> concern for Judeo-logical/historical reasoning.

It should be noted that Rabbi Shallman was speaking for himself, not as a
representative of the committee. The committee affiliation was given for
identification only, just like your organization line does not make you a
spokesman for your organization. The original decision did attempt to follow
Jewish sources in its reasoning, AND if you view it as requiring some form of
conversion for the child of any mixed marriage, all it results in are some
conversions that might not be necessary (that's how I've always viewed it,
since a CONFIRMation ceremony confirms you in the religion, and is analagous
IN MY EYES to conversion).

Daniel
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From: murray@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (murray kahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Moshiach
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:23:26 GMT
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From: dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz)
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25:37 GMT

dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:

>But, could it be that it simply means that SOME Jews are not too bright.
>How about aying that some (you pick the percentage) are not too bright and
..........^s........................................^Poles
>that many of them fell for the antisemitic mirage.

>W. Dobosiewicz

My apologies, I missed a crucial word and the meaning of my statement
became completely idiotic.

W. Dobosiewicz

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From: pindor@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.134056.25481@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>
>  What does the phrase "Japanese internment camps" mean to you? Have you
>  ever heard them referred to as "American internment camps?" 
>
>  It is understood that the word "Japanese" refers to the internees and
>  not the operators. It is legitimate to use this short form since
>  anyone who might think that they were in Japan would be so ignorant
>  of the context that the phrase would convey no information to them in
>  any event.
>
Please note that there were concentration camps operated by Japanese in 
mainland China (Manchuria, I think), where American POW were kept. I have 
never heard them referred to as 'Chinese concentration camps'. Instead they
are normally described as 'Japanese concentration camps'. 
The reason for the use of term 'Japanese internment camps' in the situation
above might easily be a subconscious reluctance to the use of word 'American'
in this unpleasant context. Besides, this may also be the most concise way
of stating who was incarcereted there.
Problem with 'Polish Death Camps' is that it does created incorrect impression
that Poles are responsible for these camps. You may rightly demand that Poles
admit to many atrocities against Jews, but trying to blame them for 
Auschwitz (even partly) can only create a backlash.

Andrzej Pindor
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re:  Not a Charm?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:14:25 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Bu8C6q.M2q@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>I always thought that a mezuzah was something we fix to our doorposts
>because the Torah tells us to.  Anything further sounds dangerously
>close to chassidut!

And what's wrong with Chassidut?  Don't condemn them because they wear
black clothing and observe more Mitzvot than you do (probably).


-- 
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  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   his tongue in your ear, and his faith in your
 ((|,)                          patience."
  ~|~                              --- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:14:50 GMT

murray@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (murray kahl) writes:

>> Notice, I don't deny antisemitism. Since when, however,
>> killing a Jew = antisemitism. If a Nazi puts a club in
>> Jewish hand to kill another Jew in Nazi run Ghetto or 
>> camp is the latter one the victim of Jewish antisemitism?

>We are not speaking of actions done under coercion, but rather voluntary 
>actions on thepart of anti-semites. There is a difference!

Suppose someone screws my girlfriend. I don't like it. I get mad. I go
to beat him up. I find out he is a Jew. I beat him up regardless.
Antisemitism?

Many of the jewish police in the Ghettos were much more brutal than the
Germans.  They were coerced to put people into the trains, yes, but not
to practice sadism.


MB
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:55:13 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)

In article <mBsqqB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
>  Christian religions (at least Catholics and Protestants) recognize that
>  Jesus was circumsized ( although almost no christians know it): for the
>  catholic world the official name of the   1st.January   is

>                THE DAY OF THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE LORD

>  You can read it in ANY south american calendar or agenda where the names 
>  of the saints that correspond to a specific date are written. 

And Jewish calenders that do not identify 25 Dec usually(?) do not identify
1 Jan either, for exactly this reason.

The reason paintings and sculpture of JC usually depicted him in a loincloth,
though, was because of the circumcision.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Document that! (was Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:16:28
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.162636.22211@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

						What was
   left to be saved were some ghetto's like Lodz, and
   Hungaries Jews.  Remember the attempt to buy Hungary's
   Jews from Himmler?

I have a book (_A Million Jews To Save_) by Andre Biss that is about
this.  However, it's clear from reading it that other people held very
different opinions of it.  I'm curious about other literature on that
subject (and other sides of that story).
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From: roman@sparc17.hri.com (Roman Budzianowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:21:05 GMT
Reply-To: roman@sparc17.hri.com (Roman Budzianowski)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Sep10.155323.29713@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

> But all I did was defend and reiterate whatthe newpaper article had done.
> It was the person who complained about the article that claimed the
> article presumed collective guilt.  I don't/didn't agree and defended the
> newspaper.  In the reworded letter I hacked I made no statements about
> _ALL_ Poles, only about those that would revise/hide that part of Polish
> history.  Find the article and read it again.

> Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
> 	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


Let me clarify : Because there are Poles who would like to "revise/hide"
the history of anti-semitism in Poland, and because there were Poles who
didn't help Jews in WWII, and because there were Poles who collaborated
with Germans - you believe that the German-Nazi camps on occupied Polish
teritory should be called "Polish concentration camp", and at the same
time you believe that Germans were OK because they "followed orders" ?

Roman Budzianowski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Violent antisemitism?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:53:16 GMT



>In article <dobo.715880778@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
about Jewish emigration from/immigration to Poland:
>>........... Surprisingly, a few hundred people came back to Poland
>>from "Palestine"; their religion was not recorded, but is easy to guess.
>>
   Surprising only if you did not hear about the scission in the then Palestine
Communist Party: almost all orthodox members of the Moscow Soviet religion
left Palestine following the Soviet anti Zionist policy. Those who rejected
that kind of orthodoxy founded the presently existing MAPAM party tightly
bound to the HaShomer HaZair youth movement and the Qibuz Arzi settlements.
So it was indeed a matter of "religion" even if this was not what you had
in mind.
Needless to say, many of these Jews who left Palestine were then found in
the Brigades of volunteers in Spain, and in anti-nazi undergound later. Many
of those who did not follow Moscow policy were found in the Jewish Brigade
under British command. Some even survived WW-II.
>>. Dobosiewicz
>>
      J. Goldberg
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Masoretic variants
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)

In article <18tg5gINNik9@agate.berkeley.edu>, rice@enterprise (Daniel S. Rice) writes:
>Unfortunately for the BHS, the Masoretic texts used by different
>communities differ from each other in only a few places,

What are these variants?  In Chumash, there's aleph-vs-hey in Ki Tetse,
and there are two places with discrepancies in Esther.  (Lubavitch custom,
eg, is to read those latter two both ways on Purim.)  Any others?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.110051.5145@walter.cray.com>, aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
|>  
|> Do you also speak up when you hear something offensive to Poles ?
|> I read posts offensive to Poles like those falsifying and rewriting
|> their history and I didn't notice you're speaking up. Another
|> singlesided oversimplification ?
|> 
Of course I speak up. As I said, when I find them falsifying and rewriting their
history, which is purely subjective. When I read about the 'Nazi camps'
issue, I feel lack of information on Poland's complicity in this, so I
don't have anything to say.

|> Do you mean also that there is no sense saying that Polish friends are
|> wrong when they say Jews are anti-Polish or is it next single-sided
|> opinion ?
|>

Yes, that applies to *any* single-sidedness. 

Jacek
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From: sg04@ploni.gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Synagogue Financing
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: sgutfreund@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

In article <4193@rebecca-lillian.bbn.com>, wwalker@bbn.com (Ward Walker) writes:
|> In my immediate area, the non-orthodox synagogues' dues are about
|> $1000 for a family membership.  However, I've seen ads recently in the
|> local (Boston) Jewish paper for traditional shuls with dues for full
|> family membership at $200 or $300 dollars.  I'm amazed, because just
|> the marginal cost of a member at my synagogue is around $150 ($100
|> UAHC dues + $50 postage, printing, etc.).

I am part of a basement shtibl in Brighton/Boston where dues
have been $150 for several years. While we also get money
from donations and selling hakofot, I would not say it is
a tremendous ammount. Basically, there is just not that
much in costs if one does not need to hire a Rabbi and
are not into building glorious edifices.

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From: friedenb@kehaar.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Moshiach Educational Line 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:00:31 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@kehaar.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep8.165045.17527@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
writes:

>In article <1992Sep6.043841.15289@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:
>>There is a new toll-free line with a five minute message about
>>concepts, laws, etc. concerning Moshiach. The message changes weekly,
>>and you can leave a comment or request further information.

>I have a strong feeling that this is a Jews for Jesus line. It just
>has that tone. Comments?

WHOA!  I think that your comment is a bit mis-informed.  I am certain 
that David Kaufmann's original post was with respect to Lubavitch (the
anti-thesis of Jews for Jesus).  They (Lubavitch) stress the importance 
of studying of the laws regarding Moshiach (and all laws for that matter) 
in order to hasten his coming.

Call the number, you'll see what I mean.  :^)

 
Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: gilgamesh@csource.oz.au (Benjamin Hurwitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The creation of an Australian Jewish Network
Keywords: Kesher
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:40:58 +1000
Reply-To: gilgamesh@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

jonesq@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Quentin Jones) writes:

> Australia has a population of about 17 millon and is about the size of the
> USA minus Alaska.  Spread over this continent are approximately 95,000 Jews.
> Most live in the capital cites (Sydney 37,000; Melbourne 40,000; Canberra 700
> Brisbane 2500; Adelaide 5,000; and Perth 9,000.  
> 
> To fly from Sydney to Perth takes 6 hours.  Phone calls between capital citie
> is expensive.  There is one Jewish newspaper which has a slightly different
> in the different cities.
> 
> The community is cohesive with about 50% of Jewish children going to Jewish D
> Jews outside of Sydney and Melbourne find it hard to find Jewish Patners and 
> keep in touch with the rest of the Australian Jewish community.
> 
> Bearing in mind the geographic spread and the politics ot the Australian Jewi
> community;  A PROFESSIONAL Jewish computer network could be a major benefit
> to the community.
> 
> We propose to set up a system that is connected to our end of internet AARNET
> inter-state and overseas email and join in this discussion group.  We will
> also create various local discussion groups and get people to subscribe to ot
> 
> Individuals and organisations in Austalia will have to pay a subscription fee
> this is the only way we believe we can make the idea become a reality.
> 
> We are only in the very earliest stages of this project.  We know we have  
> a lot of work to do.  
> 
> Comments and ideas would be appreciated.
> 
> Yours Sincerely Quentin Jones 
> 
> Jonesq@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
> 
>  


From Benjamin Hurwitz      gilgamesh@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re:  Not a Charm?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:54:01 GMT

In article <1852@ceylon.gte.com> sgutfreund@gte.com writes:
>BTW: I don't know if others were as jarred by this as I was. But one
>SCJ commentator said how he felt that the custom of kissing the
   (do I get to use ktav Rashi now?)
>mezzuzah was something that should be banned as being too close
>to avodah zarah. (and he made a hekesh to the nachash nechoshet).
>
>I wonder where an individual gets the chutzpah to pass judgement on
>a minhag accepted by k'lal yisroel for generations.
  Context is important here, I think. The discussion was about kissing
  the mezuzah in order to achieve a specific effect, which was where the
  comparison to the copper snake came in. Making an active
  acknowledgement of the mezuzahs presence--making the mitzvah a
  continuous event in some sense--by touching it, is entirely
  different.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Subject: Path for U. of HAIFA 
Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:09:30 GMT

I need to trace the E-Mail address of my former instructor, Dr.Frostig, who now
is in the University of Haifa. I would appreciate it very much if someone would
be able to provide me with the path (the part of the address that comes after
"@") for this university.

Thanx,
Onur Yalcin
oyalcin@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: Rain Relief Fund
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.222438.7607@eng.umd.edu> rig@eng.umd.edu (Ronald Greenberg) writes:
>	...
>where I address a check made out to a reputable organization.  (I once
>received a solicitation for a donation to the Heart Association, I
>think it was.  But it came from somebody down the block who had
>enclosed a stamped, hand-addressed return envelope with her address.
>I wasn't sure if this was a scam or just a very stupid logistical
>scheme on the part of the organization; the mailing did include what
>looked like an official, professionally printed little piece of paper
>about the organization.  Any thoughts?)
>

My wife recently collected money for the American Cancer Society,
or something similiar. We did the mailings, the money was sent to
us, and we took all the money, put it in a single nice neat envelope,
and forwarded it to the American Cancer Society. Perhaps,
they figure people are more apt to respond to a neighbor's solicitation
then to a stranger. I don't know - but in any event, this is the
way it works.

Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish