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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: It's so obvious...
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:41:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.142910.10849@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep10.084400.2913@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19241727H@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (KOUKOULAS, STEVEN) writes:
>>
>>       <<    To all you IBM/PC-Clone owners who insist that they    >>
>>       <<       have a better machine than the average Amiga.       >>
>>
>>
>>
>>	Things like this:
>>
>>1. Windows - a direct copy of the Amiga Workbench (and the Apple interface.)
>>
>>2. VGA/SVGA cards - Quote*: "We've got good graphics too!!".
>>
>>3. Sound Cards - Quote*: "We've got good sound too!!".
>>
>>*Quotes supplied by a frustrated 486-Clone user.
>>

	Sure, I believe this crap. Are you saying that huge companies are
borrowing ideas from such an unpopular computer as the Amiga? Next your going
to tell me that OS/2's Workplace is a rip off of the Workbench.


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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Any Commodore users buying the Falcon in Germany?
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:20:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <etxansk.716218749@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
> to be _the_ 8-bit computer, and the Amiga can't compete with the PC. Atari
> will probably make advanced 680x0 technology affordable once again,

Only for people who don't need to run old software. People get on CBM's
case for breaking software, but it's nothing next to Atari. The original
Atari system software used reserved opcodes for system calls, and was bug
for bug compatible with MS-DOS (down to having useless system calls like
DUP... DUP is meaningless on a single-tasking system). And they've never
learned...

>  Yes, there are kludges. The MS-DOS' 640K barrier is a kludge. Atari's
> backwards compatibility features with their new chips form a big
> kludge. I just can't see why the Amiga won't suffer from this?

Because the Amiga had a competant operating system from the start.

>  I agree it wasn't easy to upgrade the first ST computers, and the current
> STFM/STEs have no expansion slots for new cards. Isn't that a problem
> with both Commodore and Atari computers? The A500 and ST computers offer
> nothing like the PC/AT expansion slot.

Yeh, but they're compatible with the 2000, and expansion boxes abound.

>  Look who's talking. The Amiga 1000's future didn't look too bright
> either. (On the other hand, it didn't get along very well. Har har.)

I like my 1000 fine.
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.135058.7354@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

[ ]
>
>>What exactly do they offer that's more?
>
>MS-DOS compatibility and the capability to run Wolfenstein 3D.

Get a bridgecard for MS-DOS. As far as Wolfenstein 3D goes, it is of very 
questionable taste.>

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Re: WB 3.0
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:50:07 GMT

dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>palette. The other new library is the 68040.library, which makes any
>Amiga run at about 20 mips.

Even my stock A500 ? 8-) 8-)

But seriously, how does the 040 library speed things up ? mips is a
processor speed as far as I know and is independant of the OS being run.
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:27:40 GMT

In article <kg5yt0c@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Hmm... I never really liked Microprose, EXCEPT for two of the games you listed,
>RR Tycoon and Civilization. Don't forget, those were both Sid Meier games. Will
>he be working on the RPG? Then, it should be great. He's a whiz at writing games
>of strategy and brains.

I am not too sure on that one.  Perhaps.  

I kinda like Silent Service II. Gunship 2000 is supposed to be neat  
the original Gunship for my C64 was great!

>That reminds me... what is the status of puzzle games on the PC at the moment?
>Here in the Amiga community, seems like every other game released is a puzzle
>game lately, and most of them have been pretty good! I love puzzles... hope the
>trend continues.

PC games seem to fall in Sierra type interactives, and simulations.
When you say 'puzzle', you do not mean Civilization, I presume?

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000?  Ask at WOC!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:19:43 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Sat 12 Sep 92  0:51, Jeremym@fraser.sfu.ca (jeremy Thoma
wrote:
 JT> Could somene be kind enough to ask
 JT> Dionne if CBM plans to offer a trade-up plan for the A3000 -> A4000?

How about trade-ups at ALL?

...i've been a loyal Amiga owner since the days of the 1000. i still have
ks 1.0 somewhere around here. (yes, i'm a packrat)
And i DESPERATELY want to upgrade from my 2000 to a 4000! But i'm a poor
college student, and there's no way in hell i could afford what looks like
the list price! (Upgrade price will probably also be out of my reach. sigh.
i dream of the "Long-Time Amiga Supporter Super Upgrade Deal - Thanks For
Sticking With Us And Spreading The Word! $500 and your current system gets
an A4000!" but know it's completely unrealistic...)

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From: aciceran@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (A. J. Ciceran)
Subject: Re: FlickerFixer Preferences?  (!)
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:50:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.134002.58898@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:

>I read somewhere about a commercial utility made by (I *THINK*) IDE
>called "flickerfixer preferences" or something like that.

The program you are referring to has been developed by ICD (manufacturers
of FlickerFree Video -- FFV). The preferences program has an MSRP of
$29.99 and apparently is bundled with the revised FFV 2. It does however,
work with the ECS in the A3000.

For additional information:

ICD, Inc.
1220 Rock St.
Rockford, Illinois, 61101
(815) 968-2228


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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:39:24 GMT

In <1992Sep14.161016.22787@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.101649.26047@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>We also tested RS/6000s. Can you say: ugly ? (Maybe they did improve
>>the machine in the meantime..).
>Do you mean physically?  They look likr fat PS/2s.

Not physically. I was talking about AIX and the performance under
high load (i.e. several processes ready).

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From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:43:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Sep11.124342.21442@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep7.022556.14423@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>>> >> GVP EGS? Well, it does 1600*1280 in 16M colors too...
>
>Just out of interest, I saw Local Bus Video Card prices today :-
>
>	S3 1280x1024x24bit - $310 AUS !!!!!

I have some news for you - I've been researching these local bus
video cards, and so far I haven't found a single one that can
demonstrate any significant performance gain over ISA bus cards
based on the S3 chip (clue - I don't consider 5-10% significant).

I'm not sure why this is.  I would expect at least 2X performance,
and actually it should be significantly better than this, since
ISA runs at 8MHz, while LB runs at CPU speed (usually 33 MHz in
the reviews I have studied).  I suspect that most of the S3 driver
software is written with the assumption that the data bus is 16
bits, so the software currently does not take advantage of the
wider bus.  This implies that LB video may get better when better
(32-bit oriented) S3 drivers get incorporated into Windows.

BTW - don't believe those charts they put in their ads showing
20-30X speedups.  They always pick the single category (out of
10 or 15 categories) where a speedup is realised, and that is
the one they put in their ads.  What they don't show is that
for the majority of standard Windows graphics operations these
cards benchmark as only 5 to 10% faster than an ISA board.
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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 12 Sep 1992 11:21:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <doiron.0c1o@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>In article <mykes.0dcv@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>> Has anyone seen this EGS for real?

>It seems to have surfaced briefly at an AmiExpo, and disappeared just as
>quickly, never to be seen again.  For vaporware it's generated almost as
>much net.bandwidth as the fabled Anti-Aircraft chipset.  The status quo
>still is, for super-high Workbench resolution, DMI or bust.

>Glenn Doiron


GVP was showing off the EGS at WOC. It is quite a peice of equipment. 
The 24bit displat at high resolution is spectacular. How much for
the monitor that can handle it?? 
I wonder if GVP spends a greater percentage of their budget on R&D
than C= (eh marc?)?  I was also wondering if C= made the decision for
no upgrade path for current amiga users in order not to alienate
their developers(GVP w/EGS & DMI w/resolver and others). 

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From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Defaul tool (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:46:41 PST
Organization: BBS

>>>>   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More
>
>>I agree.  Completely... but:
>
>>>
>>>Developers who don't want tech support headaches (and frustrated
single-drive
>>>users) use ":c/more".
>
>>OK, if some people put More in the C directory (why?), then use this:
>
>>        DEFAULT TOOL:  Utilities:More
>
>>Then, HD users assign Utilities: to SYS:Utilities, and floppy users assign
>>Utilities: to C:.  There, is everyone happy?
>
>I'm assuming the README file will stay on the product disk. Why waste HD
>space by copying it over? The relative path references ":../." are ideal
>because they don't require assigns (which the vast majority of users
>will never use or understand), and it will work even if the disk is
>renamed. Well-written apps also search ":devs" and ":libs" before
>"libs:" and "devs:" for similar reasons.

   But what about Public Domain and Shareware?  The README files invariably are
in unique locations for every Amiga user.  I'd estimate that 90% or more of the
README files I go through have a Default Tool that doesn't work properly on my
machine.  Sure, it might work for the programmer, but the ONLY universal
location of a textreader _ON EVERY AMIGA_ is Sys:Utilities/More.
   Exceptions to this might be:
 >Floppy only users who have stipped down their WB Disk;
 > Users who have deleted More thinking they don't need it;
 > Users who have removed the Utilities drawer from Sys:.

   Mac README files are all TeachText -- click on it and it runs.  I'd hate to
have to load README files into Clipboard; my FONTS: is so large it takes almost
forever for Clipboard to load.  Sys:Utilities/More is the only universal
option.


Raymond Ulibarri
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MultiCon
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:22:45 EDT
From: Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Reason Why A3000 Owners Are MAD!

In article <1992Sep14.130753.58868@cc.usu.edu>, slbfn@cc.usu.edu says:

>After a great deal of thought, I've decided that the reason
>A3000 owners (like myself) are pissed about not compat. AGA
>is that we spend the extra damages on the A3000 so our machine's
>could be upgraded...

>Now, after spending mucho mulanda, we find our machines to be
>tossed.  Most of us can appreciate the "tech goes on" philosiphy,
>but those of us still in Gold Service (and have many months to
>go before warranty is depleted) are quite upset about the loss
>of money.  The A4000 will push A3000 prices down quite a bit.

Oh, all I can say is, don't worry about it. Commodore is the only
computer company I've ever seen that actually cares about its former
user base, to the extent that they were willing to give you a thousand
bucks if you'd ever owned any Commodore computer in the past (the A3000
power-up, in which I traded in my 500 for a 3000 and got to keep my 500!)
Apple doesn't do this. Sideshow Bob's House-O-Clones doesn't do this.
Only Commodore does.

If you reeeeeeally want an A4000 or any newer machine, I'm 99% certain
there'll be a power-up.

And yes, as a matter of fact I *am* disappointed that I can't just plug an
AGA chipset into my A3000. I want the spiffy new graphics, but at the same
time I'm quite attached to my machine and don't want to trade it in. But
there you are! That's life in the silicon lane. Technology advances and
at some point C= had to break some things in the name of progress. Be glad
they've done so; it looks like they've jumped out in front again with the
cheapest '040 machine on the market, and the future developments Dionne
hinted at make it look like the Amiga will STAY in front.

And anyway, some third party will inevitably hack together a Zorro III board
with an AGA on it, so don't fret. After all, they said you couldn't stick
a 2 MB Agnus and 2.0 into an A1000...

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From: ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick)
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:36:29 PDT

In article <1992Sep12.4477.28381@dosgate>, on 12 Sep 92 03:51:01 EST,
"robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
> This also means the Amiga 3000 will probably jump below $2000!
It IS below $2000 - $18~~ at Creative.
>
> Now the big question!
>
> I know that there are two more days worth of announcements at the World
>Of Commodore show in Passadina. Has anyone who has been to the show
>asked about when AGA Chipset will be available for the Amiga 3000 and if
>it will work in on an Amiga 500/2000!
>--
>
Bad news -- according to John DiLullo (who is in Educational Marketing)
there will be no such thing as AA chips in the 3000... impossible
architectural differences.  He recommended that GVP's EGS & DMIs boards
would give you the same functionality.  Take heart - the literature
(which called them AA chips, by the way, not AGA) mentions lower priced
AA computers to follow.
.
Cheers,
Ivan I   esrlpdi@uclamvs.bitnet
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:00:36 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <mykes.0ddu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Real-world reply:
>"Which one ray-traces faster?"

DECStation 5000/240 ?
SGI Crimson ?

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From: stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen)
Subject: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:00:21 GMT
Originator: stigo@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <copes.716192784@marsh>, copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
> 

> [some stuff]... And they apparently aren't going to ship
> 2.1 unix here.  Bummer.  :-(  If they did some research, they would realise
> they could sell tons of unix boxes to the unis.  Ship one with 2.1, 400M HD,
> 10Mb ram, monitor for a decent price and they would sell heaps.  A lecturer
> asked me about them, but reckions they're not worth it at the price, because
> they get suns for A$7500.
> Perhaps when Dillon finishes porting BSD 4.4 we will see some cheaper systems,
> that use an 040.
> 
> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au
> 

Yeah, I really don't understand why C= does not jump into the low-end
Unix market. Noone would expect them to beat Sun/Hp/Dec, but if they
could release low-priced Unix/X-solutions, I'm sure there would be
a lot of intereset among students etc. It would also allow Amiga-users
to develop software for an widespread OS that might even become (or
already is) as large as the ms-dos market. As for software there is
already a lot of gnu and other freely distributable software that
could ship with the OS.

I've never seen an ad or anything about the 2.1 unix here either,
I'm afraid, so I don't even know what exactly the 2.1 package includes.
How much is it in the US, anyway?
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From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (mr_scary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!         
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 13:22:03 EDT
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-> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
-> 
-> In article <1992Sep4.130756.23771@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdp
-> .oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
-> >Of course, this discussion is irrelevant - HAM8 at 800x600 is going to blow
-> >SVGA well out of the water...
-> 
->    Except that the AA 800x600 is probably interlaced.  OOPS!!

	As long as the unit will deinterlace this mode, that's fine with
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