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From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:08:28 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Aug19.015745.13019@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:
>When pro-lifers can demonstrate to me that they
>
>1) Are ready to provide pre-natal care and appropriate post-natal care
>to all children, regardless of social, racial, or economic standards,
>and
>
>2) Would extend their hands to unwed, pregnant women with promises of
>comfort and help rather than accusations of sin and ostracism,
>
>then I'll be ready to help eliminate abortion from the world.

Well, we're not perfect, but we're trying.  I notice that you're 
in the Bryan-College Station area.  Please call the
Brazos Valley Crisis Pregnancy Service at 846-1097 and ask exactly
what services they provide - they provide your two items already.
You might also try some of the non-profit social services organizations
(Lutheran Social Services of Texas comes to mind, but that's
just because I'm Lutheran).

I don't know of many (any?) pro-lifers who "accuse" pregnant women
of sin or ostracize them.

A Roman Catholic parish in NW Houston (along Hwy 249) boldy proclaims
that they will provide for any pregnant woman who will carry her
child to term -- is this accusational?

I would highly suggest that you look deeper into the pro-life cause
before you universally brand us as uncaring.

Daryl
-- 
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    dlb5404@rigel.tamu.edu  or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
        "You're not messy.  You're organizationally impaired."
                _Real_Life_Adventures_, July 3, 1992
From: shuff@housun.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Pat Shuff  Sun Houston SE)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Pro-choice action, rallies
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:20:43 GMT
Distribution: houston

There are some things that you can do this week.


Wed. 7-9pm Murworth and Kirby - TARAL Rally
contact Monica 974-7037 evenings only


Check the Sunday section of the Chronicle, they list all of the rally's
that have registered with the city.  I will try to find the article
and post a summary later.

Pat
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From: jsj@lgc.com (Jeffrey Jeffress)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:08:09 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: Landmark Graphics LGC

In article <7142@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> In article <18AUG199206303017@jetson.uh.edu> citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders, Raymond L.) writes:
|> >In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes...
|> >>A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
|> >>prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.
|> >Guns, guns!  Always guns are the answer to every problem.
|> 
|> OK...so what do you propose as the answer to a burglar in your house? Handguns
|> aren't Politically Correct, but they do work well.

	Well, I will admit my vast gun ignorance up front so don't flame
me too hard... but...

Don't you think shotguns are much more useful as a home protection tool.

1) You are less likely to miss when you are standing there totally terrified
	and shaking like you are going through withdrawl.

2) You are less likely to kill your neighbor in the next apartment if you
	miss.

3) Your two year old is slightly less likely to be able to wreck havoc 
	with your shotgun.

Just some thoughts. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions or errors.

|> -- 
|> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
|> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
|>   "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer

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| Sys. Engineer  |    jsj@lgc.com     | 333 Cypress Run   | W (713)579-4886 |
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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:13:49 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center


 In article <COSC16TT.92Aug17172930@menudo.uh.edu> cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu
(Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:
>Of course there will be some variation in the local crime.  The thing
>is, it is not a good idea for cops to go around saying for people to
>go out and buy guns.  There is nothing wrong with people buying guns,
>and I will be the first to tell you to go and do so.  However, after
>you buy this gun you most definately need lots of training with
>handling guns and using them safely.  There are a miriad of legal
>issues to be considered with gun ownership and responsibilities.  So,
>please do not go out and buy a gun just for the convention.  If you
>are concerned about your safety call the NRA and get some help with
>getting a gun.

That was general advice, not specific to me. I've had a fair assortment of guns
for various purposes for years and know how to use them safely. In fact, I was
a member of the NRA until a couple of years ago, when money got tight.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:43:42 GMT

In article <7134@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>I think Cory's point is that Operation Rescue wants to impose their ideas on us
>through the federal government, i.e., laws forbidding all abortions.

That's why I called it noble but misguided.  If we, the people of this
country continue to actively vote and make our opinions known to our
elected officials what OR wants and what it gets will be two seperate
things.

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said the price of freedom is eternal
vigilance?

-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp,general
From: martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin)
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:52:54 GMT

In article <wasg.713825815@titan> wasg@cs.rice.edu (Eric Salituro) writes:
>If you would like to help out on clinic defense, but don't want to get
>physical, Planned Parenthood is looking for people willing to
>videotape the clinic defense effort.
>
>You will be trained and supplied with all the necessary equipment and
>tapes. Having a camera is helpful but not necessary.
>
>For more information call Planned Parenthood at (713) 522-3976, and ask for
>Ann Glazier.
>
>If you want to help out in other areas of clinic defense, call the
>Houston Defending Choice Hotline at (713) 981-2884.
>
>Let's Boot Operation Rescue Out Of Houston!
>
>
>-- 
>Copyright 1990 Eric Salituro		Eric Salituro @ Rice University
>This is not a .signature line...	Houston TX 77251-1892 
>					(713) 527-8101 x2474
>Life is like a metaphor.		INTERNET: wasg@rice.edu

Give me a break.  I don't support the tactics used by OR, but it seems as
if you're getting a little bit torqued off at a bunch of people who don't
make the news unless you idiots make a big deal about it.

As for 'booting' anyone out of Houston--I seem to recall that there is a
large bunch of pro-abortion fanatics camped out around the astrodome.
It seems as if it would only be fair to send them away as well.

Abortion--whether you like it or dislike it is an issue--let people have
their say and leave it at that--we don't need anyone chasing anyone else
out of town.  Just go vote and make your views known that way--that's
the purpose of a democracy.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Niels Martin				|                      
martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com		|  AGM-88  Get out of HARM's way!!
My opinions don't represent		|  10,000+ on-time deliveries!
my employer's--but they're right!	|  Best Radar 'Detector' Around!   
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:34:57 GMT

In article <18AUG199206303017@jetson.uh.edu> citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders,  
Raymond L.) writes:
> In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)  
writes...
> >A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
> >prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.
> > 
> >I'd be curious to see if there's any variation in local crime this week.
> > 
> >David Gutierrez
> >drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu
> > 
> >"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
> Ray Sanders (citer@jetson.uh.edu)

> Guns, guns!  Always guns are the answer to every problem.

.. so I shot him!
(to quote that wonderful Feo Y Loco song Donna McKenzie played on Sunday
because it was "somewhat appropriate with all the Republicans in town)

<ESC>

--
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
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From: ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:19:43 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texaco

In article <Bt7nFq.BKL@xcluud.sccsi.com>, paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes:

|> That's one of the things that has bothered me about the 100 ft distance limit
|> imposed by whover that Judge was.  Up until two weeks ago I or anyone else
|> could have wandered all over the sidewalk in front of Planned Parenthood
|> and done whatever I wanted to in the name of legal protest.  However, now
|> we have a judge who decides OR's not allowed close to the premises to hold
|> their lawful protests.

That is just the point. OR does not hold lawful protests.  They use assault,
force, and violence to acheive their ends.  Actually the OR people are not
as bad as the Lambs of Christ, a small non-lamblike group.  I have been in
the lines at Planned Parenthood.  I saw the violence and hatred in those 
christian faces people.

|> Of course OR does take it over the line a bit but most zealots do.

right! 
 
|> I support anyone's right to peacefully gather in a public place.  A Texas
|> judge apparently does not and on the first day busted six OR types for
|> praying on the sidewalk because they were closer than 100 feet.

Sorry, I was there and that is simply not true.  First they pray and then 
they violently attack.  An interesting pattern.  There is nothing peaceful
about their tactics or their intentions.

|> I really wish the convention had gone elsewhere.  I like George and company
|> but wish I could watch other people's cities come apart for a week.

I am really glad that it is here, I have had an opportunity to express my
viewpoint by joining in the clinic defence, and have met several of the
Republican Party officials and delegates.  I do not like agree with the
Republican platform, but I have found that not all Republicans are bad.

-- 
Larry D. Pyeatt                 The views expressed here are not
Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com    those of my employer or of anyone
Voice    : (713) 975-4056       that I know of with the possible
                                exception of myself.
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:50:57 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

TAKE HOUSTON.GENERAL OUT OF THE FERSHLUGGINER NEWSGROUPS LINE!
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                                                                `-_-'
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
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From: wabrams@jug.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Josh Abrams)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Where to go to do brakes?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 17:52:35 GMT

I need to find a place to get a brake job done. 

I've got a rear-wheel-drive car with disk brakes up front and
drums in the back.  I'm looking for a place that will do it for
around $200 or less, give it to me the same day, and do good
work. I work in the Med Center area and live in Spring Branch.

I'd REALLY rather do it myself, but it doesn't look like I'm gonna be able
to do it this time around because my helper would rather go fishing (and
who can blame him?)...

Any suggestions? Please email me at wabrams@bcm.tmc.edu.

Thanks much,

-- 
Josh Abrams               Baylor College of Medicine
IAIMS Development     Internet (wabrams@bcm.tmc.edu) 
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: billb@owlnet.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell)
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.150809.20291@lgc.com>, jsj@lgc.com (Jeffrey Jeffress) writes:
|> 	Well, I will admit my vast gun ignorance up front so don't flame
|> me too hard... but...
|> 
|> Don't you think shotguns are much more useful as a home protection tool.
|> 
|> 1) You are less likely to miss when you are standing there totally terrified
|> 	and shaking like you are going through withdrawl.
Yes, but...
This is a thread that runs in some of the gun groups off and on.  A shotgun 
is more of an area-effect weapon than a pistol, but by the same token, unless
you saw it off (legal up to 18" if a licensed gunsmith does it) *alot* then
the spread at apartment distances will be negligible.  

|> 2) You are less likely to kill your neighbor in the next apartment if you
|> 	miss.

As per above, if you miss you have a much larger hole to shake hands with your
neighbor through.  If you use a magnum shell, then you may actually hurt them.

|> 3) Your two year old is slightly less likely to be able to wreck havoc 
|> 	with your shotgun.

LOCK ALL GUNS UP!  You should never leave any gun where a child can play with 
it.  The trigger pull is not significantly different from that of a pistol,
so your 2yr. old is still at risk, i.e. what does this little button do?
Additionally, never leave a gun loaded.  If you must, put a trigger lock on
the gun and put it up high in a closet.  Then place the key an a box of shells
in your dresser/nighstand.  Make sure that you can lock this drawer up during 
the day, or else the little tot may get it, and try to play with them.
|> Just some thoughts. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions or errors.

Anyone who is thinking of buying a gun should join the NRA, or at least contact
them.  They have *lots* of information on where to go to get proper training,
etc.  In general, most members aren't gun crazy loons, so don't be put off.
They can provide valuable services, that may end up saving your/progeny/wife's
life.

NOTE: I am not a member, but do believe in most of the things that they 
support.  My own feelings, esp. for apartments, is that the best defense is a 
30" aluminum bat.  It hurts, can damage someone, and won't generally poke
holes in walls.  Of course, Texas law puts you at serious risk of civil rights
lawsuits if you only wound a burglar rather than actually kill them.  Sick,
isn't it?

-- 
Bill Blackwell             P H P <==me!   "A just request is to be met
billb@owlnet.rice.edu     F L L F       in silence, by the act."
Houston, Texas, USA          8       -Dante Alighieri "Inferno" XXIV ln.77-78
"My opinions are mine, no one else is that stupid"
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From: bcmiller@owlnet.rice.edu (Brian Charles Miller)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: No mas (Was Re: Abortion, back-and-forth)
Keywords: I can't take it anymore
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:37:36 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University


Please stop posting these abortion arguments to rice.general.  I am not subscribing to this newsgroup to hear political debate--there are newsgroups specifically for that.

Thanks.
From: homer@korova.uucp (Homer The Brave)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Operation Rescue/Houston Defending Choice
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:28:42 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) sez:

>>       It's time that the government kept their hands off of our
>>bodies and out of our sex lives.
>
>What a noble but misguided comment.  Operation Rescue is the work of 
>religious fundamentalists and not your federal government.  Your federal
>government is not allowed to participate in such shenanigans.
>
>From what I have read most government types wish to distance themselves 
from
>OR.

But the government already HAS its hands on our bodies and sex lives 
(what a choice of words....:)

And if Operation Rescue acheives its goals, the government will have MORE 
control than it does now.

Plus... Of course politicians want to distance themselves from OR. That's 
the same thing as Bush trying to distance himself from Irangate...

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders, Raymond L.)
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:34:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.150809.20291@lgc.com>, jsj@lgc.com (Jeffrey Jeffress) writes...
>In article <7142@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>|> In article <18AUG199206303017@jetson.uh.edu> citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders, Raymond L.) writes:
>|> >In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes...
>|> >>A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
>|> >>prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.
>|> >Guns, guns!  Always guns are the answer to every problem.
>|> 
>|> OK...so what do you propose as the answer to a burglar in your house? Handguns
>|> aren't Politically Correct, but they do work well.
> 
>	Well, I will admit my vast gun ignorance up front so don't flame
>me too hard... but...
> 
>Don't you think shotguns are much more useful as a home protection tool.
> 
>1) You are less likely to miss when you are standing there totally terrified
>	and shaking like you are going through withdrawl.
> 
>2) You are less likely to kill your neighbor in the next apartment if you
>	miss.
> 
>3) Your two year old is slightly less likely to be able to wreck havoc 
>	with your shotgun.
> 
>Just some thoughts. Feel free to correct any bad assumptions or errors.
> 
>|> -- 
>|> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
>|> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>|>   "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
> 
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>| Jeff Jeffress	 |       Email        |      Address      |      Phone      |
>| Sys. Engineer  |    jsj@lgc.com     | 333 Cypress Run   | W (713)579-4886 |
>| Landmark/LGC   | jsj@comet.rice.edu | Houston, TX 77094 | F (713)579-0877 |
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Ray Sanders (citer@jetson.uh.edu)
I have an alarm system (to make my wife more comfortable when I travel) and
insurance to replace the TV.  As I responded to an e-mail, my youngest son
is a gun-loving police officer.  Where did I go wrong?  
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From: bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell)
Subject: Where is the IKEA?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:10:59 GMT

Being a great fan of IKEA, I'd like to visit the one I've heard has opened
in Houston.  Would someone be kind enough to tell me where it is  (we're
obviously not from Houston).  Directions to get there from, say, hwy 290
would be appreciated too.

Thanks!
WBB
--
Will Bell -- bell@cs.tamu.edu -- Live from the heart of Scenic Central Texas
"That guy's nose is huge!"
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:30:15 GMT

In article <18AUG199206303017@jetson.uh.edu>, citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders, Raymond L.) writes:

|> Ray Sanders (citer@jetson.uh.edu)
|> Guns, guns!  Always guns are the answer to every problem.

When you run out of cheeks, and the bad guys have them, they may be.
On of the problems is that people are being brainwashed into abdicating their
own responsibily/choice/right to defend themselves in the face of an
inadequate system for protection.  In the zeal to "ensure rights", the system
has weakened the populace, placing it at the mercy of those who have no
problem with blowing someone away for their sneakers.  Personally, I'd prefer
not to have to have one;  But if someone takes a shot at me, I'll damn sure
want to take him out before he takes me out.  If someone tries to take my life
or the lives of mine, he has forfeited the right to live.  It does no good to
tell him he has deviated from the paths of righteousness.  He's already made
that choice.

Listen up, folks.  The Universe IS hostile!  Pretty ideals are just that.
Very laudable, but generally not practical in application.  I don't mean that
we should carry hoglegs strapped to our legs like in the Olde West, but
simply this:  Be Prepared.  If one can go through life without having to
use the "deadly force", one is truly charmed.  If that trend can continue 
until no one can attain that state, we are there.  But in the mean time, 
Be Prepared.
  
-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
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