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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Oh, my dear *Lord*!  It's the Seventh Sign!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:23:39 GMT

I was waiting for someone else to post this, but no-one has.

It has become quasi-official.  Eisner wasn't joking.

They're the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.  Same sweaters, too.

At least, that's what SportsDesk said tonight.

What does a stroke feel like?


Later,
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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:15:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzF0pD.Jqy.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
>
>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
>Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
>
>I like it.  It's probably not true, though.
>
>Lori

Then Probert will get to kick Domi's ass 7 times a year instead of 3!

I like it too, but it will never happen.  Though Winnipeg should REALLY
like it.

Dean

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From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: Ottawa Myth #1 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:11:02 GMT

Tomas Jelinek is 30 years old
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Berthiaume surfaces
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:41:13 GMT

Goaltender Daniel Berthiaume, who played last year in Boston, and had been
traded to the Winnipeg Jets prior to the expansion draft has apparently
signed with the expansion Ottawa Senators.  After the expansion draft,
'The Bandit' had been released by the Jets, and had been playing in the
Austrian Hockey League.  Apparently, he was released by the team in the
Austria, and has now been once again recruited by his former boss, John
Ferguson.


Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Tampa & Miami
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:06:41 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>What will make a franchise succeed is a stable ownership group that markets
>the team well.  If the ownership group has deep pockets, they're more
>likely to remain the ownership group (stability) and more likely to spend
>the money to market the team.  If the ownership group is on the edge
>financially, they don't have as much room to operate, and are more likely
>to want out soon.

>I think putting a team in Tampa was a fine idea, and I hope the Lightening
>succeed.  I just think the NHL should have picked the Compuware bid.

Unfortunately, you can thank Buffalo for the league NOT picking the
Compuware bid. 
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:41:57 GMT

In article <Bz657p.Aq2@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith) writes:
>I don't know if this has been suggested on this group before, but in light
>of the expansion rush, I think it deserves at least some consideration.
>With all the worries about a declining talent pool, due to too many teams,
>why not consider changing the league format to one similar to the European
>Soccer leagues.
>

The talent pool is declining so rapidly that in the last few year only
6 foot 200 pounders are eligible to play in the NHL...the talent pool
isn't declining...the size restrictions which were increasingly
discouraging a large segment of the hockey playing population will just
be relaxed...there may be a shortage of 6 ft 200 lb...talented players,
but if you relax that to 5' 9" 180 lbs...            

Secondly, if the NHL takes steps to help the Russians protect the
integrity of their hockey system, there will be no shortage of talent...
there will be enough talent for a 28 team NHL and another 10 or so
franchises in Europe.

>Ideas include.
>
>1) The formation of two divisions.  Not unrealistic with 28 teams.     
>
>2) Regular season with or without playoffs, could be used as criteria for
>   promotion or demotion between the divisions.  Two divisions with 14 teams
>   four games against each team in the division (52 games).  Top eight teams
>   play off for league championship in Div 1, bottom 6 for two team to be
>   relegated to Div. 2.  Top eight teams in Div 2 play off for promotion to
>   Div. 1.  Bottom 6 stay where they are.
>
>3) The Stanley Cup would be open for all teams with a 2 of 3, or a 3 of 5
>   game format for each round
>
>This, of course, would involve major restructuring of things like the draft,
>and free agency.  These would two major stumbling blocks, in instigating a
>change like this. 
>
>So, Let's hear some thoughts on this subject.  Could it work, or am I living
>in castle in the sky?
>

The first division/second division system would never work in North
America.  Franchises will never accept unequal treatment and second
class status...and fans would never accept not having a Gretzky or
a Lemieux appear at least once a season in their building.  And the
bottom teams in the second division would end up playing fewer games
and thus have less revenue to improve, and their second class status
and lower revenue will prevent them from being able to attract better
players. 

The seven-game playoff series should not be tampered with...it has too
long and too successful a history in reliably producing a deserving
champion.  The better team usually wins a seven game series in hockey,
and a lucky team rarely is able to string several such playoff series
together...that the NHL essentially never has an undeserving or lucky
champion.

A 28 team NHL with four seven team divisions...you play everyone in your
own division seven times, everyone else twice, and you have 84 games.

Gerald
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From: jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile)
Subject: Re: Boston Massacre!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:56:23 GMT

gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>	There is only one thing sweeter then beating the Boston Bruins, to
>a Canadiens fan, and that is slaughtering the Boston Bruins!  Well, I guess
>winning the Stanley Cup has a nice appeal.  I hope other Montreal fans had
>half as much satisfaction watching the Boston Massacre as I did.
Well, now, I'd hardly call 5-1 a slaughter.  It was a sound beating,
something that the bruins really shouldn't have let the Canadiens do
to them, but 5-1 is not a slaughter.  Something like 10-1... now
that's a slaughter.  

	Even though I am humbled by what such a crappy team as
Montreal (  :]  ) did to my Boston Bruins, I cannot accept the use of
the term "slaughter" with regards to this.  Try something along the
lines of "beat" or "defeated" or something like that.  Not something
that would indicate that the Habs are unbeatable... which they aren't.

	The Bruins will beat the Habs in the playoffs.  I gah-ron-tee
it!!!

Whiplash Smile
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From: flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lourenco William Dantas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:12:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Dec14.231721.27242@adobe.com>snichols@adobe.com Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>The regular season would be made more meaningful if the number of teams
>making the playoffs were cut to say, division winners only.  Then there
>would be more incentive to maximize regular season victory totals.
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

	This is awful! It would be just like in baseball; by September most
	fans have lost interest because their teams are out the World 
	Series race. The playoff cutoffs are fine the way they are.

	My $0.02.

	LOU (flamengo@wpi.wpi.edu)
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL NEWS FOR 19 DECEMBER 1992
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:55:49 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.



NHL NEWS FOR 19 DECEMBER 1992:


ROSTER MOVE:

The NEW YORK ISLANDERS signed right wing GRAEME TOWNSHEND to a
contract, and assigned him to Capital District of the AHL.


-JPC


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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:12:57 GMT

In article <BzF0pD.Jqy.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
>
>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
>Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
>
>I like it.  It's probably not true, though.

Of course you like it.

Yzerman > Jagr.

Probert >> Stanton.

Riendeau >> Wregget.

If Brian Murray makes this deal, his head should be on somebody's platter.

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: TB vs. San Jose 12/16
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:29:20 GMT

TB - 0 0 4 1 - 5
SJ - 0 2 2 0 - 4

1 - none

2 - SJ Ozolinsh 4 (Pederson, Gaudreau)   10:33 (pp)
    SJ Gaudreau 8 (Ozolinsh, Kisio)      17:42 (pp)

3 - SJ Kisio 9    (Berezan, Zettler)      0:52 (sh)
    TB Bureua 4   (Ramage, Hamrlik)       2:30 (pp)
    TB Tucker 5   (Bradley, Reekie)       2:47
    TB Bradley 24 (Kontos, Maltais)       6:21
    SJ Ozolinsh 5 (Scremin, Odgers)      11:06
    TB Reekie 2   (Creighton, Andersson) 17:00

OT- TB Tucker 6   (Bradley)               2:53

Shots on goal: TB 12-14-16-3--45
               SJ  5-15-10-0--30
Power plays:   TB 1 of 5
               SJ 2 of 3
Goalies:       TB Bergeron 2-1-0, 30 shots, 26 saves
               SJ Hackett ?-?-?, 45 shots, 40 saves
Attendance:    ?

-----

There was no article in the paper.

Tom
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:43:42 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Dec10.215739.10474@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
> the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
> as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
> the year after that...
> 
The Vancouver Province reported that the Anaheim will actually be 
called The Mighty Ducks!  They must be stopped!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.170112.21114@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com>, jzuena@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (John Zuena) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
|> >golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> >
|> >>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
|> >>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
|> >>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
|> >>the year after that...
|> >
|> >
|> >  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
|> >rioting in the streets...
|> >
|> >  Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is going
|> >to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California Area, when
|> >the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
|> >sold, it's just no one is attending...)
|> >
|> >  Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
|> >Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move Hartford
|> >to Hamilton)...
|> >
|> >  Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
|> >Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....

What about a Kings-Anaheim rivalry?

|> 
|> Do I have my geography wrong, or is Anaheim pretty close to Inglewood?
|> When I was in LA, the map had the Forum and the Big A labelled.  With all
|> the talk about Hamilton not getting a franchise because they were within
|> 100 miles of the Sabers' arena, why no talk about a new team within 100
|> miles of the Kings' arena?  How far is it from one to the other anyway?
|> 
|> - John Z. 

You are right.  Anaheim is 30 to 40 miles from Inglewood.  While it is
true that Hamilton is not much farther from Toronto, the market in L.A.
is much larger.  The population of L.A. is over 13 million, and the
population of nearby San Diego (about an hour from Anaheim) is
over 2 million.  The entire population in the Toronto and Hamilton area
probably does not exceed 5 million.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: lulu@wam.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Subject: Re: Adams VS. Patrick again...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:06:51 GMT

In article <92347.122444IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM) writes:
>Well, I brought this up a while back, early in the season and didn't
>get much response, (along with it's to early to call), so now I'll
>bring it up again.  For about a year and a half now people have been
>saying that the patrick division is the strongest.  Perhaps they were
>but doesn't it appear to you all that perhaps the adams is at worst,
>right on top of them???  If you look at the teams, the Adams has four
>top notch team, buffalo probably being the (overall) weakest of the four.
>Now of course we have hartford an ottawa, but still when compared to
>the patrick what do you see??  I personally see two major teams,
>Pittsburgh and The Rangers.  Beyond that things get pretty shallow.

I have to disagree with that last line.  The Rangers are currently in 3rd
in the Patrick, 3 points behind Washington and only 1 point in front of
New Jersey.  I see 4 strong teams in the Patrick that should end up 
pretty close together by the end of the season.  I just can't see 
Pittsburgh playing this well for that long.

Philly and Long Island are easily better than Hartford and Ottawa.
As for the other 8 teams, they're evenly matched as 2 groups.  I
attribute any point advantages for the Adams to playing 14 easy games
against Hartford and Ottawa. (20-25 points)

Oh heck, someone get out the head-to-head stats for the last couple of
years!

Dave Lu
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ottawa and Mike's Bossey
Keywords: Bossey Mike Ottawa
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:35:01 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec18.134444.3185@bmers145.bnr.ca> macauley@bmerh760.bnr.ca (John MacAuley) writes:

>I was in Montreal this week and had an opportunity to read the
>Gazette sport section.  In it there was an article about the
>Senators' owner calling Mike Bossey one night at 1:00am and
>asked him if he would like to be a player/coach for Ottawa.
>Is this true?  This is definitely the first I have heard about
>it. 

They wanted him to be a goalscoring coach (no player part).  
As far as I know, you can't really teach that.  :-)




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get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: IZVESTIJA: Russia II - Sweden
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:20:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.091810.14268@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> 
>  Group B, played in St Petersburg, Russia:
> 
>  Thursday, December 17:
> 
>  RUSSIA II - SWEDEN 4-3 (1-1,0-2,3-0)
> 
>  It was Russia's equalizing goal that was doubtful. Some person threw in
>  an extra puck, so there were two pucks in play. The Swedish players at
>  the bench tried to get the referee's attention by shouting loudly.
>  What happened? Yes, the German referee decided to penalize the Swedish
>  team for shouting too much!! And in the Russian power play, the 3-3 goal  
>  was scored.
>  Last time this happened to a Swedish team was at the '85 WJHC in Alaska,
>  when a Soviet player brought his "own" puck into the game, and scored a 
>  goal. A goal that led to a Soviet WHJC gold medal.

   Last time that nearly happened to Sweden was just a few days ago 
   in this Izwestija tournament: In the game against Sweden Finland had
   a very attack and was nearly scoring when somebody threw in an extra
   puck... The referee noticed that and unfortunately to us, interrupted
   the game. And maybe the Swedish players couldn't resist to shout??!

   This just came into my mind, sorry. Let's forget it, it's almost Xmas!!

> --
>  ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson            
>   \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se    
> \\_))//-|| contact for Swedish hockey  

   Happy Holidays for All of You on USN !

   Hannu Hietanen, Tampere-Finland
From: rcroteau@sobeco.com (r.croteau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: expansion
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:28:13 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

In <1992Dec12.203259.18643@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The Gunds, who now own the Sharks, were once the owners of the 
>Seals/Barons/merged Northstars franchise...but, my vague memory on
>which I could most certainly be wrong, was that Charlie Finlay was
>the original owner of the Seals.

>The Other Gerald

I also think that Finley might have had a stake in the Seals, who else could
have had the idea of having the players wear white skates ?
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Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
From: rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:56 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 26

In article <BzGpv2.ICE.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes...
>In article <92Dec17.175102est.144@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
> 
>>Lori....
>>I know you're just posting what you heard, but just where did you hear
>>this rumour?? Are you volunteering some of your time to help out the
>>mentally (or hockey) challenged people in Pittsburgh? :-)
> 
>My boyfriend's buddy works as statistician at the Pens' games.  I know this
>sounded wild, but who knows?  The guy might have heard something, considering
>he sits up in the press box.
> 
>>
>>>Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
>>
>>Of course! I mean they wouldn't want to keep'em around.
>>He might score a 100+ points and 50+ goals again!
> 
>The Pens don't need any more offense.  They do need defense.  That part of
>the rumor makes some sense.

Then why on earth would you want Phil Housley?

> 
>Lori
>
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:00:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.

Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.

I like it.  It's probably not true, though.

Lori