From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Fonda
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:29:24 GMT

russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:


`Kenneth D. Whitehead writes:
`kw> Jane Fonda actively supported the enemy, and I'm not going to let 
`kw> you try to obscure that fact.

`In article <swood.722143804@vela>, swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) writes:
`sw> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP !!!

`The US Congress declared war on Japan on December 11, 1941 in the
`wake of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.  Would you mind telling us 
`when the US Congress declared war on the people of Vietnam?  [it 
`didn't]

What the hell are you saying here Russ?  That we have to be in a full blown
state of war to consider someone who is killing our young men as an enemy?
That if it is not a fully declared state of war, and someone is helping,
aiding and abedding groups that are responsible for the deaths of US soldiers
is not officially treason because congress never said 'Go for it' to the
military brass?

`Do you agree with the principles of democracy and free speech, 
`Scott?

Of course I do and I am offended that you should think otherwise.  I also
believe in the right to bear arms, but you won't see me telling people it
is alright to use them to shoot people.  All rights come with
responsibilities.  That includes the right to be a citizen of this country
as well as all the accompanying rights that come along with it.  The
old "shouting fire in a crowded movie house" analogy.
Speaking against ones soldiers and for those responsible for killing them
in the manner that she did is treason to me - I am sorry - that is my
opinion.  You don't see me sponsoring rallies to shut her up or to lynch
her.  That is just how I feel.
There were much higher political reasons involved in why that war was
never declared as such - but that does not make it any less of the
definition of war.  People died.  Many people died.  If you are against
that then fine - make all the noise you want.  Just don't shake the other
sides and and pat the other guys back while stabbing the backs of the
boys just doing their duty....

`sw> Someone should make a post to the net as a sort of public survey 
`sw> of use net to see if anyone has actually felt informed, 
`sw> enlightened or converted to a different way of thought by 
`sw> Russell.

`Gee Scott.  Just a week ago you were telling me that you were going
`to have me thrown off usenet.  Whatever happened to your plans?

When?  Where?  The proof is in the Pudding Russell.  Dish it up!  I said
that I was going to make such known due to the fact that you were such a
pompous ass in the way you handled the whole situation.  I asked you not
to do such in the future. (ie post my email opinions that I wished not be
posted due to their inconsistencies or broader scope than the groups I
speak for)
You turned around and symbolically slapped my face by saying that your
right to free speech supercedes any obligations or regulations you are
under in regards to the use of UseNet.  That is BS.  Become accountable
dammit.   What is wronge with some of the people in this country that
they always want to push things off on someone else!  You broke net
policy - I suggested you don't - you were an ass about it - I reported.
That is fact - that is what happened and only what happened.
Don't try to fantasize more to it because there isn't.  I don't want to
be the personal policeman of the net, but if I see people doing things
wronge or against the rules, I am smart enough to realize  that the
people in charge may not be omniscient in nature.  So I watch out for the
things that I care for.  I am accountable for my own world.  If you can
not deal with that too damned bad.

When I go out in the woods and see trash I pick it up - when I see a
slob hunter, I ask them to leave or refrain from their slob activities.
Regardless whether they have a gun.  If I see a permanent tree stand on
state land, I tear it down.  It does not make me a friend of slob hunters
but it helps me sleep better at night.
In the same way, if I see some usenet slob trying to proliferate his own
delusions of grandeur by abusing the concepts of free speech and abusing
all network guidelines in the process, I am going to approach them with
my opinion on the subject.

A little hint for you here - I don't like to snitch.  I prefer not to as
a lot of the net gurus are very busy people.  It is only when the manner
that such is handled is rude or irresponsible in nature that I get on the
horn and start going on record - deal with it.

You are an irresponsible jerk and a bully.  Knowledge is power, its misuse
is a crime against all those that fight so hard for wisdom.  You lack
wisdom Russell and even worse you lack commen sense.

The one thing that I do so humble enjoy about this whole thing is that one
fact I have always seen in life.  Regardless whether you attribute it to
god or Karma, people always seem to get what they deserve.  I can just
imagine what your life must be like and I take pride in knowing that mine
is nothing of the sort....

Catch you later - I am going hunting and going to actually do what it
takes to become an active participant in the world and the scheme of 
nature.  If you don't like it - well suck my dust....

swood
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