HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 03:52:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.235514.7783@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

>  Glenn always tells me I smell like Wayne Hughes.  I never know
>  quite how to take this, and he just smiles. 

This wasn't the scent story I had planned to tell, but
prompted by this remark, my last long-term boyfriend (a
Steve, but there were three) had a perfumer's "nose." He was
one of those (relatively rare) people who could, upon
smelling anything, tell you exactly what essential oils, in
what proportions, would be mixed to produce the scent.

One day, I dunno for what reason, I asked him if he could
compound something that smelled like me (it's true, you
know, that we do not recognize our own odor for what it is).
Sure, he said, easy, but you might not like it.  Why, I
asked.  Because it's an odd smell, kind of acrid, not
unpleasant, but acrid is the only word I can think of.  One
thing, he said, it's unique; I've never, ever smelled anyone
or anything that smells like your natural body odor, and I
love it above any other odor on this earth.

Well, honey, no money can *touch* that, so I can tell you I
have a small vial named "Jess, very concentrated stuff.  But
better yet, I have the recipe.

Eventually, however, he went for some bleach-blond frump
from Milwaukee.  What a come-down -- for him.  :-) But we're
friends, in fact we had a delightful weekend together this
past summer.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell)
Subject: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Enhanced Cybernetic Logic Operating Systems Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:28:26 GMT

In article <C05LGH.H2G@queernet.org>
rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1i07ulINNi1s@hp-col.col.hp.com>
>smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>>I've never seen 
>>anyone beaten for being gay, although i've occasionally 
>>seen it in the news.  I don;t think gay-bashing is a majority 
>>sport, that is what I'm saying.  
>
>I have been beaten for being gay.
>My boyfriend has been beaten for being gay.
>Most of my friends have been beaten for being gay.
>"Majority sport" or not, you're off-base.

Bashing is more than just physical assault, just as child abuse is more than
simply beating.
	A few years ago, my boyfriend and I had epithets yelled at us as we 
walked to a movie theatre. That is gay-bashing. Workers calling someing a
"fucking faggot" is bashing. I think it *is* something done by the majority
of non-{gay/bi/lesbian} people, though many of them may not be specifically
aware that they are doing so. We've been brought up believing all sorts of
totally untrue things about gay men, lesbians and bisexuals and people
mindlessly repeat them every day.

--Dave O'Donnell
  atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu
From: roger@otago.ac.nz (Roger Grauwmeijer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:07:33 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan10.051504.1745@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>, aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
> Actually, I would like very much to *work* in a bar, specifically,  
> programming on a Powerbook in the back courtyard of the Lone Star during  
> those long, quiet San Francisco afternoons. It strikes me as an absolutely  
> pleasant place to earn a living.

I've been trying to convince my boss for years to install a line and modem
in the garden bar of our local pub. There's nothing nicer than a sunny day
in the bar 'round late February when the new intake of freshmen are feeling
their way around ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately, I just don't think that it would go over very well with the  
> regulars... computers are still too much an indication of economic  
> privilege to make their use tasteful in all situations.

Screening a few X-rated GIFs may help change that!

Rog. Just panting and drooling over his upcoming 3 month holiday in the big,
wide, queer world! 8-) 
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:37:31 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <C0pB3w.100@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
> Ahah ! My Momma thrived on Krispy Kreme's while I was _in utero._
> Perhaps there some truth to the "my momma made me this way" after all.

Just be thankful she didn't make you a gun-toting bigot.

[So, what's Dan White up to, these days?]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*jaywalker* a careless pedestrian whom motorists are expected
to avoid running down" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:30:23 GMT

In article <C0qnvF.I8w@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> >* there * are * no * decoder * rings *
>
>As far as _I_ know there aren't any.  Ry Schwark was supposed to
>bring me mine at what might have been The Very First NYC Soc.Motss
>Dinner (when Jojo was in town, a year and a half ago).  He didn't,
>although I brought him two eclairs (both of which he devoured
>picturesquely).

Good cover Mara!  By the way, your yearly Eclair tax is due.

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:19:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.103345.24446@quantime.co.uk>
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>I'm still bemused by this comment,
>called out by a teenager in a group of about three,
>as I left work at dusk:
>"Ew, queer, eating a banana."

>Well, yes, I was eating a banana.
>But how did he *know*?

Lips.  You can always tell by the banana-eater's lips.

<> It's important to study and understand what the nazis
<> did in addition to trying to exterminate Jewish people.
<> They also had an entire anti-feminist program, they
<> appealed to "aryan" folk culture, they outlawed abortion,
<> they were violently anti-queer, they promoted "family
<> values", they hated immigrants, they lashed out against
<>  "obscenity", they banned artwork, and the list goes on.
<> The funny thing is, most of those things are also currently
<> on the right-wing agenda in the U.S.  Gee, i wonder why?
<> -- Graham Herrick (Graham.T.Herrick@dartmouth.edu)
-- 
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From: reykja@col.hp.com (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of women)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 09:34:22 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub.cs.itc.hp.com

todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman) writes:
> It's sad that fashion dictates that women must hide behind a
> mask of makeup to be "beautiful."  The idea that women are
> attractive only when you cannot see their real selves is an 
> idea perpetuated by men because (1) it support a multi-billion
> dollar cosmetics industry owned mostly by men, and (2) it is
> demeaning to women to not be able to be accepted as they really
> are.  Thus, men are able to maintain a power structure that
> obviously favors men and puts-down women; and makes lots of money
> in the doing!   
> 
Amazing! That is how I have always seen this issue! 

Since a very young age, I have always felt foolish putting that
stuff on. You know the strange thing is that I simply don't use
it in everyday life --but when it comes to something job related or
otherwise, I feel somewhat pressured to do it. It's a really 
shitty feelings. 

I would take all of this a few steps further: fashion, as well as 
cosmetics companies, degrade women. Most women's clothing is NOT 
functional, well-made or comfortable. We are pressured (if we accept
it. I don't think most women really think about it.) to wear tight-
fitting, inappropriate clothing that restricts us, keeps us fom
moving freely and probably does some unknown physical damage. (I 
would certainly say that skin-tight pants would do some physical 
damage!)


> As long as women continue to smear that ridiculous colored
> stuff all over their faces, they cannot be taken seriously.
> 
I agree. But please don't judge women who are unwilling to throw 
the stuff in the trash (where it belongs) and go 'bare-faced'. 
There is years and years of acculturation and many women really 
believe it enhances their beauty. 


> Don't even ask me what I think about high-heels!
> 
I think I can figure that out. :-) I can't imagine wearing those 
bloody things. Again, that probably affects me when I try to go 
for a job interview or something like that. 


> Rember the "bra burning" of the 70's?  Maybe it's time to 
> have a "makeup burning" of the 90's.
> 
It is time to liberate everyone from fashion fascism and let men, as
well as women, dress and adorn themselves as they choose.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:13:36 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>Why aren't there any gay-nerd-bear bars, anyway? Ones where bear  
>programmers network their computers through glory holes and exchange  
>filthy email? Now, there's a market!

	Hmmm --- be adaptable --- multiple expansion slots I think
would be required.  One for floppies, one for skuzzies, one for firmies[*],
one for Ethernet, and one for --- well, multi-purpose/user_customizable...
no wait --- let's just call it a "game port"!!!

:-)

[*] Firmies are what I've heard the 3 1/4" non-flexible floppies called.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:28:36 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <C0n4pA.6w7@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>  >>called out by a teenager in a group of about three,
>  >>as I left work at dusk:
>  >>"Ew, queer, eating a banana."

>  >>Well, yes, I was eating a banana.
>  >>But how did he *know*?

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >Lips.  You can always tell by the banana-eater's lips.

>Women too?

I try not to presume.  But I would guess yes, women too.

-- 
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[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Matters of Attraction
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:45:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Much has been made over being wanted for physical, as opposed
to non-physical (ok, ok - *intellectual*) attributes.  I, however,
do not subscribe to the notion that 'physical' attributes are
somehow 'lesser' than intellectual ones.  So far as I am concerned,
being wanted because one is a bubble-butted beach blond is 
'equal' to being wanted because one knows how Isadora Duncan 
died. 

*X*
Xref: sparky soc.motss:54706 pnw.motss:107
From: lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: IN THE LIFE
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:30:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i9l67INN5tu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu


 
The Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual
interest program IN THE LIFE will finally be seen in the Puget Sound Area
on KBTC Channel 28 Tacoma (TCI Cable Channel 33) Tuesday Jan 5 9:30-10PM.
NO repeats are scheduled and as far as I know, Channel 9 Seattle is still
refusing to carry the show, so plan now to watch. Thanks.  P.S. This is a
monthly series. If you like the show, please consider writing Channel 28
to express appreciation. Thanks.
   
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
Summary: Anti-Christians?
Organization: Enhanced Cybernetic Logic Operating Systems Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:48:17 GMT

In article <1i05s9INNhap@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> >Well, I've never personally seen it in action, but I'll take 
>> >your word for it.  
>> 
>> What are you saying?  That you've never seen homophobia?
>
>I've never seen anything in action that I would call a 'phobia' 
>agaisnt homosexuals.  If you mean have I never seen people who 
>dislike homosexuality, yes, I have.  I've also seen homosexuals
>who are even more expressly anti-christian than the people I know 
>who don't like homosexuality.  From what I've seen in the world, 
>and in this forum, there are more homosexuals that are christian-phobic 
>than there are straights who are homo-phobic (or who dislike homosexuality, 
>or however you want to put it.).    

I was brought up Lutheran. The Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod, at least)
teaches that homosexuals will GO TO HELL. End of line, end of discussion,
get out the fire and brimstone now thanks. If you don't think that kind of
teaching has an effect on a person, you surely must be dense.
	A friend of my mother's brother is gay. His family knows, and is
supportive. Their daughter was in catechism class last year when she was
once again given the "party line" that homosexuals (presumably, anyone who
isn't into heterosexual male-dominant procreative fucking only) will go to
hell. This little girl was only ten years old; what a nice thing for her
assistant pastor to tell her: that her kind, loving uncle is going to hell
and be tortured for all eternity because the god she believes in made him
express love for other men.

--Dave O'Donnell
  atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu
Xref: sparky soc.motss:55735 soc.bi:17747
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Responding to Bible quotes
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:57:28 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
Reply-To: tal@warren.mentorg.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

A friend is getting a lot of shit from his Bible banging sister.  You'd 
think I would have been smart enough to save one of the many "The Bible
and homosexuality" FAQs and FAQ-like(tm) postings.  However, I
haven't. 
 
Could people mail them to me?  (note the Reply-To: header) and I'll 
post a summary? 
 
Tom
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Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Origin of the term "faggot"
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:55:48 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang) writes:
>:(obligatory motss content - um, let's see, here it is - the Spartacus
>:guide says that the Dutch men literally `ooze' masculinity - in FJ!!'s
>:case, it doesn't ooze, it . . . 
>becomes totally bewildered as it tries to get a grip on this boy.

It's the mud that makes it difficult.

,
Eamonn (being oblique again, but nobody appreciated my last
	obliqueness, rats)
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:10:15 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <TIM.93Jan5070652@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:

>First, hello one and all.  (Is that okay as a demuffing act?)

Sure...

>One day prior to the holidays, I ran into a friend.  He was just
>getting home after spending an evening with someone he'd met at the
>Dunkin' Donuts in Central Square in Cambridge.

>Also, did they have Kryspy Kreme donuts in Atlanta?

Have you ever seen the film _Driving Miss Daisy_?  If so, do you remember 
scene where Hoke brings in coffee from the Krispy Kreme after a snowstorm
has knocked out Miss Daisy's power?

Well, the Krispy Kreme from which said coffee would have come from is
about 5-10 blocks from the real-life neighborhood where Alfred Uhry's
grandmother lived, and _right_ across the street from the crusiest 
leather bar in Atlanta.

And the damned thing is open 24 hours a day.  Just what I need after
an evening of partying with my friends at the Eagle -- a dozen lemon-
filled or chocolate-frosted Kreme-filled donuts at 2:30 AM is just
the thing if you want to maintain that svelte figure :-).

>tim

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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:05:16
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: tal@plts.uucp's message of 9 Jan 1993 11:28:38 -0500


On 9 Jan 1993 11:28:38 -0500, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) said:
> There is an organization called (something like) the national
> organization of gay pride parade organizers.  Each year they meet to
> coordinate dates, etc. and decide on a national theme.
>
> Has SF considered adopting the national theme or is the Center Of The
> Gay Universe afraid that associating with a national organization might
> weaken their strong-hold on gayness and encourage the myth that if
> you're not in SF you're not really gay?

The organization is "The International Association of Lesbian and Gay
Pride Committees" (IALGPC).  Each year, IALGPC (including San
Francisco's representatives) picks a global theme for gay pride events,
and nearly every year, San Francisco picks their own, different theme.
Most or all of the other cities worldwide use the "global" theme.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Events to celebrate (was: Year of the Queer)
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:37:26 GMT

In article <15434.2b52f8c0@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
>What other items would people put on the list?  Bonus question: name
>a pre-Stonewall pivot point.  (Yes, there are some.)

The issuing of the Kinsey report? It called into question most people's
assumptions about sexuality.

I'd count the trial of Oscar Wilde as an important event, but I don't
know if it qualifies as "pivotal".
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: word queens? (was Re: Another Epithet Discovered)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:50:40 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>What's the technical name for those things placed on tombstones?
>Things like "Here lies Aleister age 74, died a bachelor, always merry"? 
>Aren't those epithets?

epitaphs.

--mike
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Another Epithet Discovered (was Re: Do hard times cause hate?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:21:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.025626.11155@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>What's the technical name for those things placed on tombstones?
>Things like "Here lies Aleister age 74, died a bachelor, always merry"? 
>Aren't those epithets?

Epitaphs.

>Recently bearded Jess says:

Ever cantankerous Jess responds :-)

>>The negatively associated usage seems to be gaining in popularity,
>>and according to the AHD's Usage panel, is not incorrect.

>Is this the AHD's Usage panel's way of giving an example of the word
>"futility"? At least they claim that a common usage is "not incorrect".
>I'm used to language fascists telling people they way they speak
>American isn't Correct.

What it actually says is something to the effect that 53% of
the usage panel does not object to the pejorative drift of
the word.

>I must confess I have my bias is linguistic rather than grammarian.

Aptly, too! :-)

>Prescriptive language study, indeed. Snort!

But no sense going all to pieces, either! <snap!>

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:35:56 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <mattm-110193093841@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Ohhhh,  *X* is sorry... Sorry *X* - send *X* nasty pictures...
>Michael Hennahane send *X* nasty picture, and Mike Batchelor,
>too - perhaps has something to do with name Michael?
>
>*X* definitely *not* vegitarian - likes big hunks of juicy
>meat - does *X*  Why *X* talking like this?  Because *X* just
>re-read Elfquest...

Hmmm... maybe I haven't seen Wesley lately.  Big hunks of juicy meat?
Maybe he had a transplant or was fitted with a mechanical implant (ie.
a Borg pecker).

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