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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:47:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

>>From: feathers@eskimo.celestial.com (Cheryl Owen)
>>
>>>   I wish I was onne of those average people.  People are such
>>>individuals, and our bodies don't all process food the same way.
>>>In order to lose weight and maintain it, I have to eat very few calories
>>>always, every day, for the rest of my life.  I exercise and am active,
>>>but I couldn't eat 1200 calories a day without putting on weight. 
>>>Around 600-800 calories a day is about right for me, maintenance-wise.

I can only say, "but for the grace..."  I'd be miserable if I could only
eat 800 calories (that's 1 bagel, a cup of yogurt, 2oz of chicken, a
banana, and a salad with non-fat dressing). 

However, if I remember correctly, Cheryl claimed that 1200 calories was a
"tremendous amount of food."  I disagreed with that statement before, and
I still do.  Note, however, that does not mean that I believe that all
people can lose weight on 1200 calories a day.  I don't.  I have no
doubt that there are those whose metabolisms are such that 1200 will
have them maintaining or even gaining.  But I also believe that many of
these people could change this situation with regular exercise.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:39:35 GMT
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Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys., San Mateo, CA
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Hiya Jessica!...welcome to alt.support.diet!

It's completely appropriate to post non-fat recipes here..please do!

Some of us [at least I can speak for me] are eating in very much the
same way as are you!  It drives my officemates crazy..today I had a
breakfast meeting with me colleague/boss-kinda-person, and he ordered
bacon and eggs, and he knew to order me a dry toasted bagel (see, they
*can* learn <grin>)...when he got his breakfast he said "want a slice
of bacon?"..I think they feel bad for me! :-) I said "I'd love
one..but I won't have it".

There..see? I can ramble too. :-)

Anyway, my "diet" was to cut out any and all extraneous fat.  I could
and can [I'm still doing it] eat *anything* I want, as much of that
anything as I want, so *long* as it is fat-free, or *very* low in fat
[i.e. " < 1 gram"].  It's worked, too...last time I posted about my
progress I'd lost 25 lbs.  My loss has slowed [I seem to be in that
"last 10 pounds slump] but I work out for 20 minutes every night
[rowing machine and stair stepper, and now just got a ski machine], so
some of that may be due to muscle versus fat...I have noticed that my
*size* seems to still be shrinking..I started out as a size 14, and I
realized today that some size *8* skirts I recently picked up are a
bit loose.  Wow..if I actually end up in a size 6 that will really be
neat!

Anyway, while melted cheese doesn't repulse me, I *have* noticed that
since I have gone on a very low fat diet if I eat a food high in fat I
just don't feel *right*.  It sits in my stomach, all greasy and heavy,
and sometimes I feel downright ill.  Yuk. :-)

Now I allow myself to eat whatever I want on the weekends, and
maintain my ultra low fat diet during the week..and you know
what?..even on the weekends, when I allow myself *anything* I want, I
find I choose *much* healthier things when, for example, eating out!

Have you also found that now you go to the store, read the fat content
on something, and are *astonished* at how high the fat content is?

Now, if only I could figure a way to pack my lunch every day, low fat,
and still have it not get too monotonous. :-X

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating; Lunch
Summary: Boring?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:43:15 GMT


Thanks to everyone for such lovely responses to my first few posts.
I will probably taper off in a day or two but you know, I can't discuss
my food program with my husband and there's a lot of stuff I've been 
wanting to say.

About packing a lunch for work and not having it be boring. ??? Not
a problem if you are cooking varied nonfat dishes for dinner. My
hubbie loves to pack the leftovers. Often I cook something big,
like a pot of chili, which provides lunches for weeks to come. Of
course you have to freeze some portions so you can eat them later,
or else it WOULD get boring.

I guess the only way to get INTERESTING nonfat food is to cook it
yourself. I've found that if I'm stranded out in public and haven`t
brought any food, about all I can find to eat is a bagel or some
fruit. The one thing I do miss is sandwiches, I haven't figured out
how to make an interesting nonfat sandwich. Keep in mind it also has
to be vegan! What could I put on there, pickles and mustard is about
all I canthink of. I'm not that crazy about salad stuff (lettuce,
tomatoes etc) as a main course. Sounds like the field is open for more
NONFAT LUNCH SUGGESTIONS from others!

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:28:05 GMT

In article <97344@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>When a person overeats continually
>and becomes obese, there's a lot more going on than just food enjoyment. 
>For that matter, how much does one actually enjoy the taste of, say, a
>whole box of cookies?  After the first one or two, what is one tasting?  

You bring this point up a couple of times, but I've just included this text
here.  I think that one of the biggest problems compulsive overeaters have
is that they have trained themselves to totally disconnect eating from
hunger and fullness. 

My own opinion is that compulsive overeaters eat an entire box of cookies
or donuts for one or two reasons: 1) not eating them all seems to be a
painful action--since I'm not eating for hunger reasons, then not eating
them all is "denying" myself the "pleasure" of having them; or 2) the
feeling of being stuffed is essential to food's acting as a narcotic in
a stressful situation.

Clearly the second is what is typical of emotion-induced overeating.  But
the first is what happens, for example, at a restaurant, when you've had
appetizers, dinner, and dessert and wind up being positively stuffed. 

BTW, I agree with you that overeating has a high psychological factor.
But...I'm not sure I like the transition from overeaters as gluttons to
overeaters as neurotics too much.  It's a complicated subject and I think
that I'd like to keep focused on that (my one comment to my mother 
discussing Oprah was that I felt that this association between food and
emotions was getting to be too "cliche"--a la the inner child movement.
Sorry if I offend any 12-steppers, but I'm more interested in a more
empirical way of dealing with overeating).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson)
Subject: Re: need fruit salad ideas
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:11:20 GMT

I don't have any recipes here, but here's a fruit salad that always gets 
applause.  Peel and slice some oranges and layer them in a glass bowl 
alternately with layers of canned pineapple chunks (drain juice first) and 
sliced bananas and just about any other fruit you want to add for color.
Take about half the reserved juice and mix in some rum or rum flavoring
and pour over the fruit.  Top with a layer of shredded coconut (if you're
not too worried about fat) and maybe a few maraschino cherries for color
(again, if you're not too worried about sugar).  The recipe calls for an
extra layer of coconut in the middle some where,  but it's not necessary.
Let the salad "marinate" in the fridge for a few hours before serving.

This is a great fruit salad for winter and even better in the summer,
when fresh fruit is available.
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Why am I skinny?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 07:28:10 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <jejensen.720477791@cunews>,
jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen) writes:
>
>I am 25, male, 5'10.5" and about 125-130 lbs.  I have been skinny all my
>life, for as long as I can remember.  I always eat as much as I can,
>and usually have no problems with an appetite -- I just don't eat that
>much.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>John Jensen

]deleted stuff about being skinny[

I think as long as you are in good health you shouldn't worry.  But
if you really want to gain weight try drinks that add nutrients to
the diet.  My son uses one called ensure and it is really good.  It
comes in choc, vanilla and strawberry-I think that is pretty
standard.  He gets to drink one with each meal and snacks twice a
day.  These were recommended by the doctor and add about 280
calories to your diet.

Alma
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Nonfat Foods (Bogus)
Summary: Misleading labels!
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:50:54 GMT


That's true, you can't trust the label just because it says
"nonfat." I was on the verge of buying some "Molly McButter"
because, really, popcorn does taste better with butter. The
nutrition label said 0 fat per serving, but the ingredients
included butter and other oils! Turned out their idea of a serving
was about 0.05 oz. Same for some of the "nonfat" salad dressings.
I do always read the ingredients AND look at the nutrition label.

The serving size is ALWAYS smaller than what I would consider
a serving. I looked at the new Entenmann's blueberry cake yesterday
and it claimed it had 15 servings! Come on! Looked more like about
4 to me. The Entenmann's ingredients don't seem to contain any hidden
fats that I can detect. Like most of those new "nonfat" products
(I hope they are available everywhere you-all live!), like the
Snack Wells and the Health Valley nonfat crackers (great with salsa!),
they are using guar gum and such to get a chewy texture.  I don't like
the "chewy" nonfat cookies much (too much like bubble gum to suit me),
but the nonfat crackers, soups, etc. are such a help! I'm so happy
they are making them now. One place where I shop even has a little
"nonfat" section.


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:16:22 GMT

jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:

>Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? 

I read somewhere that there is one fatty acid that is 
essential -- linoleic acid. The others can be manufactured
from carbohydrates.

I don't know a good source of linoleic acid. Floors? :)

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: redding@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Lee S. Redding)
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:10:21 GMT

In article <97282@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <BxB4Aw.5oB@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>>I'm a big fan of the baked tortilla chips you can find now.  I served them
>>along with some fat-free bean dip at a part recently and you should've
>>heard my guests exclaiming over it!  
>Anybody know if these chips have made it as far east as Philadelphia?

They have them at a few places here in Jersey, mostly health food type
shops.  Guiltless Gourmet, I think they're called.  Baked with no oil.
Less than 10% of calories from fat (in response to another posting)
 
  --Lee
 


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.002701.23770@polaris.utu.fi> eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:

>>|> >Because of this, one cannot just stop eating or go on a very low
>>|> >calorie diet. The person won't lose fat, they'll lose muscle mass
>>|> >since it's protein is the only other source of glucose.
>
>Wrong. The body will utilize fat first, proteins will be used in a much
>later stage. Excercise; during long-lasting workout, the only source of
>energy is fat. 

Long distance runners actually experience a small drop in muscle mass
but a much larger corresponding drop in fat.

Check your info, before you call someone wrong. The nervous system
needs the 3-Carbon chains from glucose. Fat only provides 2-C
chains(under real extreme circumstances fat can be used via a
mechanism called ketosis). If you are not eating enough to feed your
nervous system, the body will use protein(which also provides 3-C
chains) not fat.

This is basic nutrition. If you are still questioning me, I will go
quote from a recent Nutrition Textbook.

john
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:16:29 GMT

Liana Becker (liana@nexus.yorku.ca) wrote:
> The only person I know who had to live on this kind of a diet or get
> really fat was my sister.  She had EXTREEM Hypothyroid condition that could
> not be controlled by medicine.  They radiated her thyroid and almost completely
> killed it off resulting in such a slow metabolism that the doctor told
> her that if she ate more then 600 calories a day she would not be able
> to fit through a door.  The good part was that because of her extreem condition
Wow, this seems like bizarre treatment for hypothyridism.  I wonder why they
waited a year before giving her synthethic thyroid hormone, or if they even
ARE giving her synthroid now?  I lucked into seeing an endocrinologist
for my thyroid who was an expert in the area.  He was always writing 
papers on thyroid diseases and took a lot of time to educate his patients.
He even would get patients in touch with each other as a sort of support
mechanism.

For the short period I was hypothyroid, I was a menace to society on the
roadway.  My reflexes were so slow that really shouldn't have been driving.
And even though I exercised and ate almost nothing, I gained weight!  What
a weird disease.
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:37:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1du26hINNl97@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes

>It was partly a plug for an author named Geneen Roth
>and her book, "When Food is Love" (which I think I will run out and buy). She
>goes on that same principle we have heard, Stop Dieting, which seems to cause
>so much argument. But the principle is really good, I think. 

>If we use food for reasons not related to energy and fuel for our bodies,
>then no diet in the world will work. 

Amen to that!  I for one have a tremendously hard time eating purely to
satisfy biological hunger.  And as far as I'm concerned, that's the
primary reason diets have failed me in the past.  I've always approached
diets with the attitude of:  What can I get away with eating and still
lose weight?  And:  Because I can have a whole cup of this, I'm going to
_eat_ a whole cup of this, whether I'm hungry or not.  All those years of
dieting did absolutely nothing about my emotional eating.  Didn't even
address the issue.

>I remeber a very unpleasant series of posts this summer on
>throwing away the diet and eating what you want. But that is only half the 
>story. If you do just that and don't get at the REASONS why you eat, it
>will just be another failure. 

You know, one of these days I will actually have to go out and read Geneen
Roth.  I seem to have adopted some of her viewpoint without even knowing she
existed, and since then I keep hearing about her.  

Wish I'd seen the show.  



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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Salad Bars
Summary: Sour cream
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:04:56 GMT

In article <BxM4u2.EoL@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
>I just wish I could get non-fat sour cream in restaurants for my baked
>potatoes.
>


Why not use nonfat yogurt instead. I guess restaurants aren't very likely
to have it, are they? What is "nonfat" "sour cream" made out of? (My theory
is that eating a lot of artificial stuff is probably not much better
than eating some butterfat. For OUR health, I mean. Naturally it's
better for the cows if you don't eat the sour cream. But this is
not talk.vegan.flames.)

Did you know baked potatoes are delicious with sliced dill pickles?
Dill weed and pepper? Borscht? Curry sauce? Ketchup! Especially
ketchup!

Why aren't there more restaurants catering to people who really
want ACTUAL lowfat food (not just "natural" food like Good Earth
or "diet" food like frozen Weight Watchers. I mean Cuisine
with a capital C! I can cook it -- thanks to the Now and Zen
Epicure cookbook and others --  why can't they???)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
From: sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Email support group for ending compulsive eating
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:54:23 GMT
Organization: Authors with Twins
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:17:00 GMT
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Following discussions of Geneen Roth's "Breaking Free from Compulsive
Eating" on alt.support.big-folks, a few of us have decided to start our
own E-mail support group.  

Roth's program for ending compulsive eating and other similar programs
stress self-acceptance, learning to nurture yourself in non-food ways,
eating for hunger and listening to the body. 

If you'd like to subscribe or have any questions, write to:
  
  breakfree-list-request@wings.micro.umn.edu
From: bmiller@brahms.udel.edu (Beth Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: RECIPE:  Sweet Potato Puff
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:26:54 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Hi Everyone,
This is another recipe makeover out of Shape magazine, November issue.
I haven't made this yet but it looked good.  I'm planning on taking this
to Thanksgiving dinner at my sister's so if anyone tries this please let
me know.

SWEET POTATO PUFF

Sweet Potato Mixture
3 c fresh (cooked) sweet potatoes
4 egg whites
1/4 c sugar
1 tsp vanilla
2 Tbs flour

Topping
3 Tbs flour
1/2 c brown sugar
2 Tbs butter
1/2 c chopped pecans

Preheat oven to 350 F.  Apply vegetable oil cooking spray to 1 1/2 quart
casserole dish.  Using a food processor or mixer, smooth together all
sweet potato mixture ingredients and pour into dish.  To make topping,
crumble flour, brown sugar and butter in small bowl; stir in pecans. 
Sprinkle over sweet potato mixture.  Bake for 30 minutes until golden brown.

Serves 10.

Calories per serving      196
Grams fat per serving       6.4
Percent calories from fat: 29

The original recipe was 437 calories and 21.4 grams of fat per serving.
Big difference!
From: teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: FREE DIET SUPPORT GROUP
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:07:44 -0800
Organization: Hell's Little Breakfast Nook
NNTP-Posting-Host: hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com

>     		New guaranteed safe all you can eat diet.

Translation: a bunch of hooey!

Teri
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Exercising When Sick
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Summary:  Is It OK?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:37:25 GMT


Do you all continue your exercise programs when you are sick? Say
you have a little cold. What if exercising makes you feel like
you're going to have the world's biggest coughing fit?

I ask because, just when I got back into exercising, I got a little
sore throat and cough. What I did was slept for about four days, which
seems to have shaken it off. But I'm curious about what others do
when illness strikes. Do you just stop exercising or what?
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:21:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jessica Hart (jessica@wrs.com) wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else out there pursuing a totally nonfat diet? 
> 

It's just about impossible to not eat fat especially if you're eating meat.  
I mean, even corn has fat in it.  I would call your diet a  very low-fat 
diet (VLFD).  Yes, I'm pursuing a VLFD and a vegetarian VLFD (for the 
most part).  For recipe sources I use old recipes that I modify to remove 
or replace fat sources with non-fat stuff.

I also just bought the "Guiltless Gourmet" cookbook which is VFLD, "Lean, 
Luscious and Meatless" which is a low-fat, low-calorie cookbook for 
vegetarians.  I get "Cooking Light" which is an EXCELLENT cooking magazine.
But I can usually cut more fat from their recipes than they publish them
as.  In fact, last night I just made their "Light Cheese Pie" which is
really tasty.  I'm still experimenting with it, but once I get it perfected
I'll post the recipe here and I expect it'll be pretty much non-fat.  

Come to think of it, Cooking Light had some great recipes for Biscotti,
which are these kind of hard, crunchy slightly sweet Italian cookies, good
for dipping into a cup of cappachino.  The only fat in them comes from a 
single egg, and I think I used egg substitute instead.

Ever since I've lost all this weight and have been trying to maintain, I've
become a good cook!  I even went out last week and splurged on a Kitchen
Aid stand mixer -- I love it!  It's now a hobby of mine to find low-fat,
super quick and easy recipes.  Who knows, maybe someday I'll write my 
own cookbook.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
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San Diego, CA 92121