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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: worthless comic strips
Keywords: creationist propaganda
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:58:58 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

In article <87ST03Qz76e400@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks) writes:
}danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
}>   Week ago Sunday I was reading the paper and enjoying my coffee when I
}>noticed the comic strip B.C. (by J. Hart) had Wiley doing a poem that said (my
}>paraphrase) "The world just got here by accident.  Right.  Suuurrre".  
}
}Here's the poem Wiley wrote in the Sunday (8/23) strip:
}
}> How long has B.C. been pulling this stuff?
}
}Coupla years that I know of.

Guess why this is in the COMICS.
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Symbolic Interpretation (Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!)
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:18:43 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <87850@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>You got it.  That's why we include linguistics in the large class of
>modern sciences that would have to be rewritten if anyone ever came up
>with an ounce of credible evidence against evolution.

Hhhmm.

--
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Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Holden Numbering
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:05:22 GMT

In article <7@fedfil.UUCP> news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:
>Bishop once mentioned making some poor little horse haul her 200+ tochas
>around, and I mentioned the obvious fact that somebody should call the 
>SPCA.  There ARE horses which can carry men in armor, Belgians...

Ted, you ignorant slut.  How many times have you been told that the
200+ lbs. refers to Sue, saddle, gear and equipment?  And how many
times have you been told that 250-300 lbs is a common load in horse
packing?  Belgians were originally bred as draft horses (Sue,
please correct me on this if I'm in error).  A horse
bred as a charger (say a Shire) carries little more than a pack
horse when carrying an armored knight (maybe 400 lbs.).  Their
advantage was in being able to _gallop_ with these loads, delivering
a tremendous shock to their opponent.  How long will you continue
putting your foot in your mouth?  I still get a chuckle when you
talk about 'Jumbo' in the Smithsonian...
-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem)
Subject: Re: Question for Creationists
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:21:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.031339.22152@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
>Your rhetoric in this group constantly tends to urge that all Christians
>are guilty by association with any damn thing that bothers you in the
>postings of some Christian idiot to talk.origins.  Why?

	Because the sole justification for the opinion is often because
"I'm a Christian." and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it by
saying "I'm a Christian too, and you are wong!" Neither statement
is substantive, and the error is not corrected. It is repeated over
and over again. I think that this is due to there being many contradictory
currents of emotion and thought within Christianity, which give it vitality
and flexibility, true, but make it untrustworthy as a guide for very
much.

Bruce Salem


Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: zuber_rg@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert G Zuber)
Subject: One sided effort
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.104717.1@cc.helsinki.fi> norrdahl@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> Most creationists
> attending discussion don't even know what evolution is.

	Correct.

> And those
> attacking creationists rarely know much about creationism

	Incorrect.

>                                                    Kai Norrdahl
> =================================================================
> (-:  Kai.Norrdahl@Helsinki.fi ; Dept Zoology ; Univ Helsinki  :-)
> =================================================================

Rob Zuber
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: Antti's word
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:08:22 GMT

In article <ksand-060992171136@wintermute.apple.com>, ksand@apple.com (Kent
Sandvik) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.110648.27448@cs.joensuu.fi>, asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi
> (Antti Siivonen) wrote:
> > 
> > 	"Juoksutututtaa" => To make someone to make someone to run. How do you
> > 	translate with one word ?
> 
> What has one word to do with many words? We are still expressing
> the same idea, one word or eight words? I'm sure there are
> things in English that we could express in one word, where we
> need many in Finnish. But I still don't see the logic.

  Besides, it does have a single word in English.  "run".  When an intransitive
verb is made into a transitive verb there is an implied compulsion.  Ie "I walk"
and "I walk my dog".  So if I said "I have run Fred" it expresses with the
single word "run" the same concept Antti is trying to present.

  English has a very complex sytax which allows funny exceptions like this to do
almost anything.

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Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: hrbob@ixstar.ih.att.com (R.E. Wiersbe)
Subject: Re: Question for Creationists
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.142406.24207@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.130157.3954@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>}In article <dkristof.715431601@hq> dkristof@Pt.hq.af.mil (Capt Dave Kristof) writes:
>}>For you Creationists out there, a simple question:
>}>
>}>What is the purpose of mankind?  
>}
>}To worship God.
>
>Why?
>
>

My own current opinion is that He has a very _large_ ego and He needs lots
of people to stroke it.

Bob Wiersbe
From: Cliff.Fleming@iphase.UUCP (Cliff Fleming)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: History or science?
Date: 14 Sep 92  00:44:00 EST

-> So my question, why does the creationist focus in science?

    Because they lack a rational argument to support the existance of their deity. Despite what some claim, the Christian deity has not made any astounding revelations or even introduction via burning bushes for a good many centuries. Since there seems to be no entity ready to step out and publicly take credit for summoning up the natural universe, the creationists are left with little to document their assertions that all that exists is the product of some supernatural entity. The Christians haven't even 
been able to come up with a rational or intelligible description of their god.
     Since they are unable to comprehend the very deity which they assert exists, they are left with but one choice, take the offensive. The existence of their deity is abondoned to the realm of "faith", and they instead question the logic and documentation of rival theories.
     I fail to understand why so many people feel that the "burden of proof" should fall to the supporters of evolution alone. Creationists should be equally prepared to document the existence of the entity they feel is responsible for the universe we live in.
                                             regards,
                                            cliff fleming

 * Origin: Aether (1:112/2020)
From: Dr.Pepper@f241.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Linguistics and evolution
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 04 Sep 92  01:44:00

 > From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
 > Message-ID: 1992Sep3.121646.17022@cs.joensuu.fi

 >>about goose -> geese, so moose -> meese right?  Or Focus -> Foci, Alumnus
->
 >>Alumni, Syllabus -> Syllabi, Campus -> Campi right? Hint, one of these
words
 >  is
 >>wrong, and one is spelled wrong.)

 >       Yes, I agree with you. But the fact is that those forms
 > are very old
 >       and they have still remained in English. I take a guess
 > and say that in
 >       say, medieval English such irregularities were much more
 > common.


The "us", "i" words are from latin.

 >>roommate has been studying since grade school (about 18 years) and still
 >>couldn't write a letter that would fool a native speaker into thinking he
wa
 > s
 >>American.
 >>  English is very flexible if you know the rules behind it.  I can verbify
 >>nouns, make ajectively words, and with pronuciation the movable emphsis
lead
 > s to
 >>incredible ease at poetry.

 >       How do you say: "To make some one to do (something)" in
 > one word ? In Finnish it is "Teetatyttaa".

compel, cajol, manipulate, extort, command, coerce, entice...


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Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: ethan@edda.css.gov (Ethan Brown)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Origins according to JW's?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: ethan@edda.css.gov (Ethan Brown)
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp.  Div 206
In-reply-to: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)

I've been somewhat following this JW thread here in talk.origins and
last night, lo and behold, a couple of JW's came by my house to
discuss the origins of life.  I asked them if they had a copy of the
famous "Blue Book" and they were quite happy to lend me a copy.  I
read through the first 30 or 40 pages last night and was pretty
disappointed: First, the author defines evolution as the theory of how
life began and diversified.  As I understand it, the theory of
evolution seeks to explain the diversity of life and how populations
shift to favor of individuals with characteristics which favor
successful reproduction.  It doesn't address the beginnings of life
from non-life.

A fair amount of time is spent on statistical arguments against the
necessary "molecules of life" forming by chance.  Also, the book
titled something like "The Neck of the Giraffe", authored by an
"evolutionist" is quoted liberally, as are other "evolutionists", on
the many problems with evolutionary theory as put forth by Darwin,
relating to new found facts.

Has there ever been a publication created to address this book?  I've
seen some of the quotes from this book shown in their true context
here on talk.origins that make it clear they were taken out of
context.  Some of the references it quotes are quite obscure
(newspaper articals, popular magazine articles, etc.), so it would be
helpful to read a critical review of the "Blue Book", if one is
available.


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--Ethan Brown			
--Science Applications International Corp.
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Xref: sparky talk.origins:11289 alt.atheism:17169
From: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby)
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: worthless comic strips
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:33:36 GMT
Followup-To: talk.origins
Organization: animal -- coelomate -- deuterostome

In article <1992Sep11.153652.12928@phillip.edu.au> lbarrass@phillip.edu.au writes:

>  I haven't noticed any posts condeming yoga/meditation/eastern philosophy in
>public schools. Don't be a Christophobe.

I haven't noticed anyone suggesting that yoga/meditation/eastern
philosophy replace evolution in the biology curricula of public
schools.

>lbarrass@phillip.edu.au                     Lindsay     


Chris Colby 	---	 email: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu	---
"'My boy,' he said, 'you are descended from a long line of determined,
resourceful, microscopic tadpoles--champions every one.'"
 	--Kurt Vonnegut from "Galapagos"
From: jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Creationist misrepresentation of Colin Patterson
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:14:23 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>Can anybody tell me if the following quote, which was attributed by
>John Mulder to Colin Patterson, is to be found in the works of
>creationist Luther Sunderland, and if so, where?

>   Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing,
>   any one thing that is true?

>Is this a question Sunderland asked Patterson, or is this a rhetorical
>question Patterson used in a lecture which Sunderland taped?

>(Jim Loucks?  You have some stuff by Sunderland, don't you?)

The quote sounds familiar. I'll check the transcripts and a book by
Sunderland.

-- 
Jim Loucks           jloucks@uts.amdahl.com 
{apple, pyramid, sun, uunet}!amdahl!jloucks
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Antti's word
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:02:31 EST
 <ksand-100992171416@wintermute.apple.com> <1992Sep12.234807.7794@cc.uow.edu.au> <BuIyyp.ACp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <BuIyyp.ACp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.234807.7794@cc.uow.edu.au> u8515682@cc.uow.edu.au (Wayne Jefferson Doust) writes:
>>ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>>
>>>> 	bimbo, jughead
>>
>>>Speaking about 'bimbo', doesn't it show that language itself
>>>evolves, and with the advent of Hollywood stars lacking certain
>>>intelligence compensated other ways our language got a new
>>>word. In other words, evolution. Thanks Antti for pointing this out.
>>
>>>Please, I'm not advocating the use of the word bimbo, in my
>>>humble opinion why didn't we create a similar ugly word 
>>>about dumb men with blonde hair?
>>
>>Hmm, we could of course _create_ one. :-)
> 
> I wonder what color Antti's hair is. . . :-)
> 

And *I* wonder what color Ted's is!  (Just to stop speculation on Ted's
part as to my hair color, it used to be brunette, now is grey, but is usually
dyed light brown.)

Sue

>>>Kent
>>
>>Wayne
> 
> -- 
> * Andy Peters                     * "Slugs are small and portable    *From
> * Program in Evolution,           * Just stuff 'em up your nose      *"Slugs,"
> *      Ecology, and Behavior      * They'll fit beneath your armpits *by David
> * Indiana University, Bloomington * Or right between your toes"      *Greenberg
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: u8515682@cc.uow.edu.au (Wayne Jefferson Doust)
Subject: Re: Antti's word
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:48:07 GMT

ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:

>> 	bimbo, jughead

>Speaking about 'bimbo', doesn't it show that language itself
>evolves, and with the advent of Hollywood stars lacking certain
>intelligence compensated other ways our language got a new
>word. In other words, evolution. Thanks Antti for pointing this out.

>Please, I'm not advocating the use of the word bimbo, in my
>humble opinion why didn't we create a similar ugly word 
>about dumb men with blonde hair?

Hmm, we could of course _create_ one. :-)

>Kent

Wayne
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: zuber_rg@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert G Zuber)
Subject: Re: Louck's transcripts (not again!)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.101901.8007@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.203046.14444@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> zuber_rg@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert G Zuber) writes:
>>	Hey Jim. Are you still claiming that Niles Eldridge says the horse
>>series is a 'joke'?
>
>Well, the horse series portrayed as a ladder *is* a joke, but the joke's
>on those who hold that cartoon view of evolution.  As usual, Gould puts it

	Hey Jim, has this sunk in yet?

>-- Herb Huston

Rob Zuber
From: alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Sorting
Keywords: Hydraulic Brain-death All-Wet and Leaky-Arguments
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:39:41 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <12542@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) writes:
>
> [deleted]  
>The idiot sorting argument originated with Henry (air-head) Morris.

The hydraulic sorting argument actually goes back much further.  Henry
Morris got most of his ideas from George McReady Price, a Seventh-Day
Adventist and self-taught creationist who wrote in the first part of
the 20th century.

See Martin Gardner, _The New Age - Notes of a Fringe Watcher_, Prometheus
Books, 1988, for more information about Price.  Gardner also gives other
references about Price, and implies that the hydraulic sorting theory
has even earlier roots.

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Tektronix, Inc.           |  will feel no need to pursue knowledge and
PO Box 500, MS 47-623     |  understanding.
Beaverton, OR  97077      |  There is often a difference between good
alanf@atlas.pen.tek.com   |  sound reason and reasons that sound good.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Desperation (was Re: Commitment--The C-word?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:38:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.114515.20276@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
 
|As for swimmers shaving body hair or head hair, these are people trying to
|gain a fraction-of-a-second advantage over competitors.

I heard an interview of one of the swimmers that was in the Olympics and he
said in some of the longer events he saw a two-three second difference between
his pre-shaved and post-shaved races.  This swimmer was a multi world record
holder.
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From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Holden Numbering
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <2899@fedfil.UUCP> news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:
|In article <1992Sep8.040240.26054@smds.com>, rh@smds.com (Richard Harter) writes:
|*
|*Now this is a tad misleading.  Try the following experiment instead.
|*Take an 8 foot 2x4 and center it on your shoulder so that you have four
|*feet hanging out in front of you and four feet hanging out in back.
|*Piece of cake, right?  
|
|I hope you don't seriously mean, that since sauropods had to hold their
|necks out AND their tails out, that it all balanced, and that the whole
|deal was therefore easy for them.  If so, a better analogy would be
|holding TWO 20 lb weights out from your body, one in each hand, instead
|of just the one we were talking about.

That is indeed what he is saying, and for good reason.  The sauropods
tail is connected to its neck by *massive* *tendons*!

Try attaching a short rope to between your wrists and set it on over of your
shoulder.  Voila, now *you* have a tendon connecting your two weights.

Isn't it interesting how the *rope* supports the weights, and relieves your
poor arm muscles of the work?
-- 
sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)
  or
Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Subject: Re: macroevolution
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:30:46 GMT

skroger@zeus.calpoly.edu (Seth L. Kroger) writes:
>The author of this article seems to disagree with Antti's claim about
>their being subspecies.  His study comes to the conclusion that all
>three are seperate species.

	Thank you for providing interesting material (saved my day). But, still
	some scientists disagree with those results. The same is with 
	Carduelis flammea cabaret  and Carduelis flammea hornemanni i.e 
	Carduelis cabaret (seldom used) Carduelis hornemanni. 

	Thank you !   
-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint

	No ITU, love, evolution.           Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut !
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: macroevolution
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:51:41 GMT
Followup-To: talk.origins
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Sep4.110341.27321@cs.joensuu.fi>, asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi
(Antti Siivonen) wrote:
> 	Here in Russia it's rude to answer right to the question. 

When has Joensuu (a medium size town in Finland) moved to Russia?
You aren't pulling a silly lie again about Finland being part of
Russia, aren't you?

Kent

"I would rather have a thousands idiots attacking my position, than
have one idiot helping to defend it."	[Paraphrased from Voltaire]
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