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From: RCJ@AUTOMATION.UNIVERSITY-LIBRARY.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:32:00 GMT

Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

With regard  to where  the calves go to make way for the ice
cream guzzlers, I wonder what happens in India?

India has  a dairy  industry. Indians  are not  renowned for
widespread veal  consumption. Anyone  KNOW what  happens  to
surplus calves there?

Just wondered...

                                              Craig Jamieson
                                     University of Cambridge

CBS%CUS::ucbvax.berkeley.edu::rec-food-veg
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: veganism down under
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:19:22 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <12038@tamsun.tamu.edu> mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>
> 	...first off, i'd like to apologise for some gibberish recently posted
>by me...the system i'm working from has been behaving very oddly recently, and
>everything i've sent (email, news, etc.) has been transmitted hacked up and
>missing most of its lines...
>	...i would very much like to gather any information pertaining to the
>feasability of veganism in tasmania as well as melbourne...i'd also greatly
>appreciate anyone who might lead me to finding contacts in either of those 
>areas (or really anywhere in australia)...i may be moving there very soon, and
>trying to blindly stumble about maintaining a lifestyle as difficult as 
>veganism can sometimes be really doesn't appeal to me...
>	...anyone who may be able to help please email me...
>					...matthew m. agee...
>					mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu

Australia now has a country wide Vegetarian/Vegan magazine produced
by the cooperation of the societies in each state. There is also a vegan
society in NSW. If you need their contact address email me.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Ben and Jerry's
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:36:12 GMT
Reply-To: fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

>I am still waiting for Ben and Jerries to begin producing a soy-based desert
>product and phase out their diary based products.

They're based in Vermont.  You have a long wait.

Tom Fawcett                      "Your neck, your throat, your heart are all 
UMass/Amherst	                  so many ways of escape from slavery.  You   
fawcett@cs.umass.edu              shall find it in every vein of your body."  
		                                                  -Seneca
From: gkolstad@reed.edu (Geoffrey Kolstad)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: REQUEST:Good Muffins
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:03:59 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


I am spending entirely too much money at my local bakery. I need good tasting
healthy muffins, that include raspberries or bananas or anything else that
sounds good. Any tips on the baking process and equipment to use would
be appreciated...
Thanks!

Geoffrey Kolstad
gkolstad@reed.edu
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Multiple gestations and meat consumption
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:15:11 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <9204022050.AA00951@auroch.HQ.Ileaf.COM> writer2@auroch.HQ.Ileaf.COM (RDM Doc Contractor [Marjorie Peskin]) writes:
>I am expecting twins and have been a lacto-ovo for about 7 years.  Recently
>my OB told me that the babies were not growing as expected and sent me
>to a nutritionist at the hospital.  The nutritionist told me that I
>was not getting enough protein and strongly suggested that I eat some
>meat whilst pregnant.  I am not thrilled (an understatement) with this
>suggestion, although I have started to eat some fish.  Has anyone
>out there successfully carried a multiple gestation without eating any
>meat?
>
My wife is only carrying one. Her doctor told her to not worry about
her protein consumption (he knew she was vegan) but to ensure she got
enough carbohydrates!

>I reported my dissatisfaction to my OB, who seconded the motion that meat
>consumption would be a good idea.  These are not old fogeys or anti-veg
>people.  They just think that in my case, meat would help with the
>growth of the babies.  I am really torn between my morals and the
>responsibility I have as a parent to keep these babies healthy and well
>fed.  It is hard enough eating for 3 (you cannot believe how much you have
>to eat some days), but do I have to compromise my principles as well?
>
If protein *really* is your problem (and this could be tested by checking
your nitrogen levels, has anyone done this?), then just consume more TVP!
TVP has a higher protein concentration than meat, with far less fat.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 8 Apr 1992 15:25:45 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

gt4646a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Beauchamp) writes:


>(For example, their own company charter forbids
>them from paying themselves anything more than a set multiple of their
>lowest-paid employee's wages. 

5X -- so if the lowest paid person makes 12K - the bosses can't make
more than 60K.

--
A light-haired cat will bring its owner silver; 
a dark-haired cat will bring its owner gold.
  -- Ancient Chinese Proverb

  Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
Square Dancer, Cat Owned, Leaper, Founder QL Friends of Machiko
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna)
Subject: RECIPE:  Chickpea flour pancakes
Organization: Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:04:31 GMT

Here's a recipe that I made up myself.  For best results, purchase the 
chickpea flour at an Indian grocery store ("besan").  The consistency is a 
little different than the sort that I've bought from health food stores, and 
it works better in this recipe.  These pancakes are fantastically quick.  
They're filling, they're cheap to make, they're yummy, and best of all, they'
re VEGAN!

All you need in the way of ingredients is:
	some chickpea flour
	some water
	some chopped up onions (optional)
	spices, spices and more spices (standard indian type:  cumin, salt, 
pepper, garam masala, a pinch of turmeric for the fun of it, anything else 
that's in your cupboard)

Now, you mix all of this stuff together in ... guess what? .. a mixing 
bowl.  I've never measured the ratio of flour/water, but essentially, you 
want the consistency of the batter to be similar to that of regular pancake 
batter (it really is a taste & texture preference thing: who am i to say 
what you're going to like?).  sometimes, i throw in chopped up coriander 
leaves or even spinach or kale to be really extravagant (or to really 
impress someone).  at this point, you're all ready to fry.  i use a minimal 
amount of oil, heat the element to a point between medium and maximum, pour 
some batter onto the frying pan, wait about forty seconds, flip, wait fifty 
five seconds, and flip out.   

Coriander or mint chutney are yum yum deeeelicious on these pancakes, or you 
can go towards a sweeter taste with apple/mango chutney.

And the best part is that after you stuff yourself with these yummy 
pancakes, you're not so weighted down (like after eating gross eggs or 
other unmentionables) that you can't have a power-punchingly-productive day.

bon appetite, as we canadians say,
alka

p.s.:  for the animal rights inclined out there, why don't you post on some 
of the other bulletin boards, like alt.activism or alt.save.the.earth??  
the misanthropic, animal-exploiting zealots are having a field day!  i 
realize that it's not nearly as fun or cathartic as posting in a friendly 
environment, but what a lost opportunity to influence others if we *don't* 
use those bulletins.
From: wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:48:49 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD

In article <odsW2c200WC0MLPUtC@andrew.cmu.edu> (David F. McWade) writes:

>Then I was told that Ben & Jerry's was a free-range farm and treated its
>cows very nicely, so it (therefore) would not be hypocritical.

I thought this was covered here just a couple of days ago, but it may have 
been on "misc.rural." To make ice cream, one needs milk. There are two ways 
to keep a cow milking--inject her with hormones, or get her pregnant.

Don't know much about the hormones used, though many people have an
aversion to hormonal injections because they're "not natural." I haven't 
a firm opinion either way. 

If the cow becomes pregnant, then she produces the hormone naturally
and produces milk. The big moral dilemma comes into play when one asks
the question: "what becomes of the little boy calves?" Seems veal is
the most popular answer.

>Can anyone confirm or deny this, and provide a fuller explanation?

You could always ring up Ben or Jerry and ask them if they use hormones.
If they don't, ask them what the do with the little boy calves.

Colleen
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Flour tortilla
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:36:34 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  Sorry for the posting about the sausage on a flour tortilla.
  I wasn't even thinking when I did this.  My apologies.

--
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: I support Michael Traub
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:53:35 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <4dvU4Fu00VB3E4aEsh@andrew.cmu.edu> dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade) writes:
>
>I too support Michael Traub, although I do believe that he can be a
>little obnoxious at times (particularly about macrobiotics, which he
>should read up on  : -).  There are PLENTY of people on this list that I
>think are MORE obnoxious than Michael Traub, and most of them are not
>vegetarians.
>
I think you're confusing me with someone else. I can't remember making
any pronouncements on macrobiotics. I tend to keep away from subjects
I know very little about (believe it or not readers).


-- 
   "This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
   
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: bwl@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Bill W. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: intolerence to broccoli
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:17:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


Since becoming pregnant my wife has developed an intolerence to
broccoli.  The symptoms are severe abdominal cramping.
We are vegetarians and no other vegetables have had the same effect.

Does anybody know why broccoli might effect her like it does?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson)
Subject: Re: LEATHER
Originator: jjohnson@muse.convex.com
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corp. Richardson, TX, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:55:47 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


in article  <1992Apr7.155008.4846@rdr.com>, Randy Tidd writes:
>
>Does this imply that you have your pets spayed/neutered?  If the answer is  
>no, read no further.  If the answer is yes, I'd like to hear the arguments  
>for such action.  I've always felt that, er, modifying your pets was *not*  
>supportive of animal rights, and is part of the attitude of "we know  
>what's best for another species, so we're going to change them" which I  
>don't subscribe to.

Of course I have my companion animals spayed or neutered.  I consider this
a requirement for responsible pet ownership.
Only 1 cat or dog in 10 born in the USA finds a home.  Spaying/neutering
minimizes the suffering of animals.  It also protects the animals against
a number of diseases.  (I suggest you read rec.pets/rec.pets.cats.  This
topic comes up often.)

We don't live in a "natural" world; we live in a world sculpted to suit
humans, a world full of automobiles and concrete.  Non-human animals
don't instinctively know how to deal with this world (neither do we,
but that's beside the point), so if we're going to keep them as
companion animals, we *have* to protect them.  We *do* know what's best
for them.

>BTW I am vegetarian, but more for health reasons than moral ones.

I think this at least partially explains our difference in opinion.


-- 
Jennifer L. Johnson |   "While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered 
jjohnson@convex.com |    beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on 
                    |    this earth?" 		--George Bernard Shaw
From: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: vegan problems
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:17:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
	...in curiosity, what are some different vegan responses to 
	...so how do/have different people coped?..
					...matthew m. agee...
					mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu
Originator: mma9872@csseq
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:33:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Apr7.221150.15570@psych.toronto.edu> michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.181329.19129@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>
>>  You can wrap up a sausage in a flour tortilla with some sourkraut
>                     ^^^^^^^
>>  or some mustard.  Called a Taco Palaco (sp?).
>
>Um, presumably that's a *meatless* "sausage"....
>
>- michael

  --michael and all others out there

  Please forgive me for mentioning sausage.  I completely forgot
  that I was in the vegetarian group.  I'll probably never live
  this one down!  Sorry.....


--
From: bell@pooh.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Eggplant in Garlic Sauce
Keywords: eggplant, garlic
Date: 4 Apr 92 21:48:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.cooking, rec.food.recipes, rec.food.veg
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

Can anyone help with with a recipe for eggplant in hot
garlic sauce?  What is the secret spicy ingredient in
the garlic sauce that also gives it a depth of flavor?

Thanks!
Leslie Bell
bell@cs.unc.edu
You can also email me at the above to make sure I receive
the recipe.  Thanks again!
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Swampwitch)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:46:52 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr7.144911.7380@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
> 
> All day long at work I dream about the evening meal and wrapping things up in 
> flour tortillas.  Currently, it's refried beans and rice, plus tomatoes, 
> lettuce, hot pepper sauce etc.
> 
> My question is:  would someone post other types of foods and can be wrapped up
> in flour tortillas?

Tofu Scrambler and salsa,
hashbrowns and beans,
lightly browned mushrooms and onions,
margarine only,
green chiles and refried beans,
Spanish rice and black olives,
salsa only.

Regards.
Catharine
From: csuac@warwick.ac.uk (The Juggler)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: LEATHER
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:06:35 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

Jeniffer,

Out of interest.
What do you feed to you strays?

If you dont eat any animal products youself ,do you give your
kids/granchildren/friends children etc chocolate or sweet containing gelitine?

UI(oops)   If you dont buy from shops that sell live animals, do you azlso not
buy from shops that sell dead ones? If so how do you justifie it!

Its so hard to be consistent (and to spell:) ), I have just turned vegan after
four year of being vegetarian (ovo-lacto in sofar as ingrediants in processed
food was concerned).  Its a far bigger step then omin to vegetarian since it
requires a much more carefull study of labels and a great reduction in the
number of processed foods avaliable.  BUT... It seemed to be the logical
conclusion for my beleifs and to preserve consistancy.
nr
From: gt4646a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Beauchamp)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:42:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 David F McWade writes: 
>Then I was told that Ben & Jerry's was a free-range farm and treated its
>cows very nicely, so it (therefore) would not be hypocritical.

As it happens, I was AT the Ben & Jerry's plant in Waterbury, Vermont just
two weeks ago, taking the tour. According to the folks there (in fact, 
this information is also printed on the pint cartons of B&J's), they
buy their milk and cream from a cooperative which supports 500 small 
family farms. Whether these are free-range, cow-friendly farms, I don't
know, but my hunch is that a family farm is bound to be better than 
one o' them big factory farms.

In any case, Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream is the absolute LAST place an 
environmentally concerned vegetarian should vent his/her spleen on, 
even considering the dairy connection. Aside from their corporate efforts
to protect the rainforests, and their patronage of family farms rather
than (undoubtedly cheaper) factory farms, they also are big supporters of
the "1% For Peace" project, and they go out of their way to employ the
handicapped. Ben and Jerry are basically a couple of aging heavyset 
ex-hippies who became wildly successful running an ice cream company
almost like a commune. (For example, their own company charter forbids
them from paying themselves anything more than a set multiple of their
lowest-paid employee's wages. They can't raise their own salaries without
raising everybody else's first. Neat idea, that.) And their annual 
stockholder's meeting is not so much a meeting as a big party for everyone
in central Vermont. 

If you MUST protest against ice cream companies, HIT ALL THE OTHER ONES
FIRST! Once the worst offenders are out of the way, then you can take on
B&J's, if you still want to.

Oh, and if you're not a vegan and you MUST have ice cream, 
buy Ben & Jerry's! They'll put your money to good use. Which is
more than the other companies can say.

This message paid for by the Committee to Cooperate with Cool Corporations. 
-- 
Rob Beauchamp                           \  It's better to be rich and healthy
Georgia Institute of Technology           \    than poor and sick.    
Disclaimer: Back off, man. I'm a scientist. \    -- Dave Barry's mother  
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: CONVEX Realtime Development, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:25:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub):
:On the contrary, they are still unborn chickens. What is so important
:about the act of fertilisation? If they are not fertilised, then they
:don't become chickens, if they are fertilised they might. So?

Yes, and how do you feel about Onanism?  :-)

--tom
From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.veg
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:40 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>>Eskimos have shorter than average lifespans due to their high meat intake so
>>it wouldn't be much of a life anyway.
>     They also have lower LDL cholesterol levels than most vegetarians AND
>probably the lowest heart attack levels in the world.  Would appear to be
>something in the FISH that they eat...

And the excess protein in the fish gives them one of the HIGHEST rates
of osteoporosis in the world, despite the fact that they consume more
calcium than anyone else.

Even if fish actually does lower heart attack and cholesterol levels, it
causes other adverse side effects and is completely unnecessary.

And fish have more pesticides and chemicals than any other food.

Dave
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:19:18 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <6APR199219133556@cc.weber.edu> JTAN@cc.weber.edu writes:
>
>	I have switched to eating a lot of rice now,
>but someone told me that I should eat meat or beans
>with it:  does anyone know why?
  
This  is  part of the old protein (actually amino-acid) combining nonsense.
While  adding  beans will increase the percentage limiting amino acid it is
not  necessary  to  eat them at the same meal. Rice is quite a good protein
source  without  having  to add the beans (and meat isn't vegetarian by the
way:-).

You  can  still survive quite easily without the beans. Brown rice provides
sufficient  protein  on  its  own,  its  limiting  amino  acid  (lysine) is
actually  in  quite  high  concentration  such  that  one cup of brown rice
provides  47%  of  one's  daily  protein  requirement  assuming  no protein
complementation  at  all. With any small amount of protein complementation,
even if not taken at the same meal, this figure rises to 60% (*).

(*) Nutrition Search Inc. - Nutrition Almanac, Revised Edition 1979.

That  above  figure  is  based  on  the  *extremely*  bloated  USRDA's  for
protein.  If  you  followed  the  lower WHO standard those numbers would be
94%  and  120%  respectively  (and  there is a lot of evidence to show that
too much protein is bad for you).



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: dharma@verdix.com (Manjeri Dharmarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg.d (was Re: This newsgroup)
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.4510
Reply-To: dharma@VERDIX.COM (Manjeri Dharmarajan)
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR

>491miley@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
> I'm just still amazed at the number of men who believe that you can only be a
> "real man" if you eat meat.  The stigma of the wimpy, feminine, 98-pound
> vegetarian wimp is still alive and well today thanks to the "meat gives
> strength" commercial BS.  I want to be 250 pounds of muscle like those guys i
> the movies.

All those "250-pounds-of-muscle men in the movies" didn't get to be like that
by eating meat. They took steroids (eg Hulk Hogan, Arnie etc). Since sterility
is a side effect of steroid abuse, I wonder how much of a "man" they are.

	Dharma
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mike@isg.llnl.gov (Michael E. Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Week-long vegetarian conference in Rhode Island in early August!
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:04:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Laboratory  Livermore, CA

In article dilip@gaspar.cis.ufl.edu (Dilip Barman) writes:
>     Several weeks ago there was a posting that there will be a week-long
>veg. conference in Rhode Island in early August.  I'll be in Connecticut then
>so would love to attend.  Can somebody (re-)post details about the conference?

Vegetarian Summerfest  ,  August 5-9, 1992     Bryant College,  Smithfield, RI

contact:  North American Vegetarian Society  
          P.O. Box 72  Dolgeville, NY 13329     (518)568-7910

Registration fee $95    
Accomodation:   Adults:  $287  (for Full week , 13 meals + single room)
                         $162  (for Weekend only,  5 meals + single room).