From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:31:29 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Aug31.224949.14425@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.021804.22374@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
> eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) writes:
>>...    
>>    It is the Chinese feudalistic thinking which advocates the 
>>oppression of women and male supremacy, which forbids/discourages 
>>criticism or questioning of authority (either state or home), which 
>>encourages blind loyalty, which demands loyalty of a Chinese to China and 
>>the Chinese race, which believes Han supremacy and that minority tribes are 
>>uncivilised and therefore lesser beings, etc etc that upsets Dwight Joe so 
>>much.
>>    Despite the fact that this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore
>>except in some ultra conservative Chinese families, bits of it still linger
>>in many people's upbringing and beliefs....
> 
> Ms. Hong, I disagree that "this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore".
> An example would be the following e-mail that I received today; it apparently
> advocates some sort of physical violence to quelch criticism of China and
> Chinese society.
> 
> [example deleted]

I agree that this sort of e-mailing is distasteful.  I would much rather
people keep a hold of their tempers and argue the ISSUES not personalities.

Now, with respect to your argument that this example is an indicator of
PREVALENCE.  My dictionary suggests that prevalence means current/
prominant/predominant.  If this were the case then you would be receiving
alot more mail (and I mean an ENORMOUS amount) from all the Chinese netters.

> 
> As I've said before, Chinese-cu cultural is a perversion.  Americans
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
> [more stuff deleted]

Dear Joe Dwight,

You like to pick out the points you want to argue with but avoid other
questions which should be tackled.  One of these is the meaning of
Chinese-cu.  Ms Hong's above posting also linked the term you are discussing
(-cu) with another term (-fe).  Do you agree that these two terms are
interchangeable?

If you don't agree then

(1) What is YOUR definition of Chinese-cu?
(2) Please indicate the personality-profile of a Chinese-cu (i.e. what they
    think/believe, how they act, examples of infamous people etc)
(3) How prevalent is it ? (i.e. out of all the Chinese-ge in the world, how
    many practice it?)
(4) Where are the main groups of Chinese-cu?
(5) State anything else that would help others understand what you mean.

Before any more postings on this subject are transmitted it would be
beneficial if you (Joe) made an open posting clarifying your position.
My feeling is that people are STILL confused about what you mean (I
know that I am).  I feel most take Chinese-cu to mean Chinese culture
which includes art, dance, music, Chinese New Year Festivals, etc. and
are offended that you appear to be attacking Chinese in general.

I don't think this is what you really mean to do.
Please prove that I am right.

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Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, 
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