From: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: "you never listen to my advice - READ THIS FOLKS"
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:03:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Dec21.032703.19160@qualcomm.com> oestline@maui.qualcomm.com (Ofer Estline) writes:
>Everyone who has known me on the net (thru trades, conversation, etc.)
>will not hestitate to call me fair or credible [...]

>Steve deliberately distorted the facts.  Here they are.  And Steve, if you
>have any problems with what I write, I encourage you to allow me to post
>every bit of email exchanged between us (with no comments, just the mail) 
>and let others decide.  AND PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THIS ENCOURAGEMENT, unless you 
>don't want everyone to see what a big jerk is hiding under the "I provide the 
>seed, so you matter not!" attitude you showed me.

Nice rhetoric.  Translation: If Steve doesn't want to send Ofer tapes to 
run the net trees when Ofer isn't prepared to include a sizable portion 
of the people (i.e. DAT owners) to whom Steve wants - via the trees - to 
make these recordings available, then Steve's an elitist jerk.  And if 
Steve doesn't want kilobytes or megabytes of private correspondence 
between himself and Ofer posted to the net, it proves that he's trying 
to hide "what a big jerk" he is.

>I feel this was unprovoked and unfair.  I had that holidays spirit running
>through my veins drive me to try and resolve this with Steve

(Not to mention those first analog gen from DAT tapes...)

>with personal email, so I reponded with a semi-friendly response giving
>him a chance to cool off (again, I'd be more than glad to post this with 
>Steve's permission), but he continued to assault me verbally.  I sent him
>email, telling him not to repond to me unless he had something
>friendly or constructive to say.  But HE wrote me back, threatening ME that 
>if I write him again, I'll be sorry.  What maturity.

Had Steve asked Ofer not to write him anymore?  If so, isn't Steve within 
his rights to make such a request?

>Then I found his blasphemous post on r.m.gdead, along with responses 
>patting Steve on the back.

>My main point here is not only to defend my honor.  It is to inform all of you
>who think Steve an "Untouchable" because of his seed offers that
>he is a mere mortal, and he makes mistakes.  Sometimes ugly mistakes.
>So please - before any of Steve's devoted desciples back up Steve's unkind
>posts - be sure to demand both sides of the story !!!

I'm not Steve's "devoted disciple", just a friend.  Ofer doesn't do much
to establish the credibility he'd claim for himself with rhetoric such
as this - not to mention "blasphemous post" (one wonders if he's looked
up "blasphemous" in a dictionary recently.  Does he really consider
himself a deity, or otherwise sacred?)  By the way, I haven't discussed
any of this with Steve;  I'm just responding to what I've seen posted 
here on the net.

Perhaps, Ofer, this conflict would not have escalated so if you hadn't
posted the claim that you'd be running the trees (and then started at
least one public turf war with someone who offered to run one of them) 
before hearing back from Steve that he was willing to send you the tapes 
in the first place.  Given that you'd already posted that offer, I can
see how it would be kind of difficult to just take "no" for an answer,
and how you might want to continue to try to finagle the tapes out of 
Steve on your terms, perhaps attempting to convince him that your way
of handling the trees was just fine and that he should thus get those
tapes out to you in the next day's mail.

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