HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: These Reptile Creature....Where are they from????
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:04:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185321.19782@pellns.alleg.edu> frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
>I guesss that says it all. I have had a lot of info sent to me about the  
>aliens sending the planetoid except no one mentioned theor planet of  
>origin. This would be helpful. Even a general area will do.

Outer Space.



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From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Bill English
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:29:13 GMT

andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) writes:

>Think this is a little bit late but anyway...

>I just thought of the Bill English posting some while ago.
>It's all baloony.
>Because it is impossible to interrupt phonecalls the way NSA, as he 
>says, did. (If it was NSA:-)
>The simple reason is: You cannot, at the receivers end, know who makes the 
>call (within the technology in todays telephone net).
>So, if someone made a call to his wife, it's impossible to determine who made
>it.

Not one to encourage paranoia, but...

Ever hear of Caller ID?  What about ANI (Automatic Number Identification)?

The point is that it is quite possible to know who the caller is at the
receiver's end "within the technology in today's telephone net."

This of course says nothing about the validity of any individual's claims
of interrupted phone calls by the NSA.
-- 

Anson Kennedy                                                  anson@netcom.com
Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

"If you don't watch the violence,   \           "If I had been the Virgin Mary,
you'll never get desensitized to it." \                I would have said 'No.'"
-Bart Simpson                           \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)
From: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:03:16 GMT
Reply-To: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

I agree with Gregg Brown's remarks about this newsgroup.  I came to
this newsgroup by the same route that Gregg did, or so it would seem,
having read the books by Strieber, Hopkins, Good, Ring, Jacbos, et al.
Their material is facinating, as are a very few of the articles posted
here in alt.alien.visitors.  However, most of the articles in a.a.v
are off the subject, and it is tedious to wade through them.

One solution, as Gregg suggested, would be to start another newsgroup
for those of us who are interested in information about the alien/ufo
stuff.  However, the alien/ufo stuff is precisely what this newsgroup
was created for, no?  If we do start another newsgroup, what will keep
unwanted articles from appearing there as well?

My preference would be to persuade contributors to discipline
themselves.  If your article falls in one of the following categories,
many of us think it would be better to find some other place for it:

(1) Articles that are clearly off the subject.  This would include
    almost any discussion of abortion, and a lot more besides.

(2) Most articles that contain a statement of opinion and nothing
    else, usually regarding some point in a previous article.
    Example: A long section of material quoted from a previous
    article, followed by "I agree" or words to that effect.  When you
    post an article, imagine that you are speaking to a group of 5000
    people, and ask yourself whether you think they are all truly
    interested in whether you personally agree with some particular
    thing someone else said previously.

(3) Articles that consist of either a joke or a statement of ridicule
    and nothing else.  These articles are usually especially punitive
    to us readers, because they typically consist of many lines of
    quoted material followed by just one or two lines of original
    material, usually some kind of joke that probably seemed
    frightfully amusing to its creator at the time but that has no
    entertainment value for anyone else.

I realize that to some extent this article sets out rules about what
not to say, and that what I propose might therefore be viewed by some
as a form of censorship, and I am sorry about that.  I hope we all
work together to improve this newsgroup.

Christopher Schmidt
Waltham, Massachusetts, USA
cschmidt@lynx.northeastern.edu
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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mars Observer and "the face"
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:06:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Tom Randolph [writes]

> This is a hot topic of late over in
> alt.alien.visitors. It would probably be a good idea to head off the 
> government conspiracy theories early and avoid the rush.

Bill Higgins [writes]
 
>Go ahead and re-post if you like, Tom.  No way am I gonna get
>involved.  Besides, those characters don't believe anybody who posts
>from a government laboratory anyway. (-:


Why should we? The truth has yet to be told. :-(

Rod

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From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:31:04 GMT

stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris) writes:
>In article <16082@mindlink.bc.ca>, Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen 
>Anderson) writes...
>>Yep, I want in on this too.  :)  I'll bet that Mars turns out to be exactly
>>what we think it is--a big hunka dusty rock.  A face on Mars is like the man
>>in the moon.  All imagination but no tinkerings of a long dead race.  I'll
>>bet 100 kugerands (however you spell it) :-)
>>Colleen

>You're on!

wait a minute, it was *my* dollar she was putting her hundred up against.
I am not willing to bet even *one* krugerrand. if she wants to place one
with you, that's between you and her...

once again, would everyone I have already bet with (or who would like to)
send me mail stating the amount they are betting / would like to bet, the
odds that have been agreed on / that they would like, and the method of
judgement (so far there are two; one being that the two bettors agree that
the formations are / are not artificial, the other being accepting the judge-
ment of mr. tim maroney).

josh


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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Pioneer Probe & The Venusians
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:16:10 GMT


In article <1992Oct9.231349.14076@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:


|>
|>	Perhaps NASA is lying to us!  Maybe Pioneer saw something
|>it wasn't supposed to see and NASA needs a way to keep it secret!
|>MAYBE THERE'S A FACE ON VENUS, TOO!!!!!
|>
|>	Or maybe we just screwed up again.  Shouldn't have bought
|>the Japanese model Pioneer Venus Probe.
|>
|>	Jason
|>	The Chrome Burned For You Society


Well Jason it appears that you  are an uninformed citizen.  Pioneer was only
expected to last 235 days and has in fact lasted 14 years.  For NASA to comeback and say that after 14 years the spacecraft finaly ran out of fuel and they were no longer able to maintain it's orbit is anything short of a miricle.  Before you shoot your mouth off again know the facts.

Steve  Food_for_the__Greys

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From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (C J Rogers (Chris))
Subject: Re: auras
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:11:12 GMT

In article <92154@netnews.upenn.edu> jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
>In article <1avhkvINN3km@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) writes:
>> [...]
>
>Kathy, this doesn't clear anything up. I can say I see little white
>kangaroos hoping around me, that doesn't mean I'm sober ;).
>
>What do you see exactly. Plize, no "Well, a kind of light around the head
>of people". Try and be constructive. I'm very willing to believe you.
>ever considered some simple tests ?(read Randi's books for a simple, conclusive
>design. There's a big reward if you can convince him !).
>I mean, if I could see "auras", I would definitly go and see doctors and
>convince them !!! 
>

I can't speak for Kathie, but what I see is similar in nature to the 
atmospheric disturbances caused by heat. I ususally see it in a 1"-3" form 
around the persons body.  I have a little trouble explaining how I can read it.
It is vaugly related to intensity and what it "reminds" me of in my mind.  I
understand that is a bit hard to comprehend, but I know of no words to explain
what I am talking about.  

I used to think that I was crazy or something.  Then I realized that what I
"read" from the auras was most often true.  As for proving it to doctors...
I am not quite sure how one could go about doing that.  It would be an 
interesting challenge, though.

Later!
C J Rogers



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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:54:22 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct10.030142.16987@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>=one of the more interesting points in hoagland's book is his statement that
>>=half a million years ago the (solstitial? either that or equinoctial) sun
>>=rose over the 'wall' and 'face' as seen from the center of the 'city'. has
>>=anyone else bothered to work this out?
>
>>What if it's true.  For *ANY* arragement anywhere close to what we see, you'd
>>get the same result.  The only difference would be the length of time you'd
>>have to go back before you found your "remarkable coincidence."  Or does
>>Hoagland claim to have somehow dated the alleged face?
>
>not at all. what hoagland is saying (and what I am saying for that matter) is
>that these are very interesting pictures, and they are worth a closer look.

As I pointed out above, given that the formations are arranged roughly as they
are, you'll be able to find SOME time when the sun would rise over the wall. 
So what's the big deal about this particular alignment?  One could make the
same claim about ANY particular alignment even close to the actual one.  So
what?  Only if there's some independent evidence that the date at which the
alignment took place is somehow important to the formations does this alignment
become interesting.

>the alignments themselves? well, if these structures are natural, then they 
>are of no significance. but if these structures are artificial,  then they
>are probably very significant. 

Care to enlighten us at to the nature of this "probable significance"?
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: jek@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (James Kittock)
Subject: Re: jerky
Keywords: everything
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:24:33 GMT

In article <Oct.6.16.54.23.1992.5150@skynyrd.rutgers.edu> procacci@skynyrd.rutgers.edu (Vincent Procacci) writes:
>I don't know about you but I think the new Star Trek is sooo much
>better than the old Star Trek, and another thing is that I don't have
>to talk to you jerky.

Look, jerky, if you don't like it, why don't you take a long
stemmed rose and shove it right up your ass, stem and all, jerky!
Brent Weir doesn't fuck with you, jerko!

;-)
-- 
James Kittock -- 1st Year PhD Student, Computer Science, Stanford -- Duke '92
	  "What the world needs now is another folk singer,
	     like I need a hole in my head."  -- Cracker
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Comments on Berkeley Symposium
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:35:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I'm very glad that Jeff came through and gave his opinion of the 
conference and some of the information covered.
John Winston.
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From: stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone)
Subject: Caveat to Jeff Papineau (Re: T. Walton...)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:16:11 GMT


Jeff Papineau (hope I spelled his last name correctly!)
writes:

> I sure do get tired of people that have to debunk every
> UFO contactee that ever makes any kind of notoriety...

Jeff: Don't you think that that's being a bit harsh?  After
all, healthy skepticism is much better than unyielding
acceptance---unless you're a body like the Catholic Church
during the Middle Ages, in which case you'd be tickled
pink if the vast majority of folk swallowed what you put
out without question.  (Catholics need not respond: you
know darn well what I said was true---and I stress the
"was"---for your particular franchise of the Christian
faith during those times.)

My point is, if given a choice, most people---including
you, because you strike me as being an intelligent feller---
would choose to go the route that says: hey, whoa, let's
not take what's dished out at face value...let's apply
Occam's Razor and see if there's anything under all the
fuzz!

The thing is, Jeff, that I think most folk have had the
wool pulled over their baby blues several times in their
lives, and it's left a nasty taste in their mouths, so
they (or should I say "we"?) tend to follow a simple
dictum best expressed by a line from an old Who song
(with apologies to Roger Daltry and company):

"Won't get fooled again..."

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
Home of the Toughest Organic Chem Instructors in the Galaxy
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From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: Re: Kevin Randle Comes to Denver
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 18:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

Do you have an ISBN number for the "...ROSWELL" book?
-- 

===============================================================================
Paul J. Weaver                 | "It is well that war is so terrible, or men
pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com  |  should grow too fond of it"
-------------------------------|       General R. E. Lee
I speak only for myself        |       Battle of Fredricksburg, VA  Dec. 1862
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:40:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1avhkvINN3km@male.EBay.Sun.COM> kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>I was told that my statement was unclear, so I will try one more time.
>
>
>When I was a little girl I aw auras, now as an adult I still see auras.
>
>This is NOT and I do repeat, NOT a figment of my imagination.  

So what do you see?
 
>So the remark about if this is a figment of my imagination, then I must have
>a really good one, meant, Your nuts buddy!  I can see them.  You can't tell
>me I can't.
>
>Hope that clears it up.
>
>Kathie  ;.)

Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: cmadrid@sedona.intel.com (Corrina Madrid)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: regarding aliens are from hell
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:12:42 GMT
Organization: AME Group, Intel Corporation
Originator: cmadrid@sedona


I too have heard the same thing.  In a way it makes sense to me.
I will not go into my explanation why it makes sense, but it does.
hmmm anyone else...
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From: jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Subject: Ezekiel's Space Ship
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 08:41:06 GMT
Reply-To: jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


I would like to get some information on a chapter in the Bible (Old Testament)
where Ezekiel describes what sounds like the arrival of a space ship and
of several alien creatures. The description is so amazing that one could
really beleive he witnesses such an event.

Thanks.

J. Cherbonnier
jec@zurich.ibm.com
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From: wall@GTEtele.com (David Wall)
Subject: Re: Discoveries?
Organization: GTE Telecom, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:12:35 GMT

Sorry for NOT being politically correct, but your premise is incorrect.
It is TRUE that Columbus discovered he was lost on his way to India, but
that isn't the "only thing" he discovered.  "Discovery" does not require that
nobody else knows something first; for example, a child can discover that fire
burns, and I can discover a great, new Thai restaurant.  Discovery is a 
reflection by the discoverer in which he realizes that he did not know something
before.

Also, finding a series of beautiful islands and starting the European world's
discovery of North and South America is no small feat, especially considering
the foul and polluted Europe that existed then.  While it is certainly tragic
and appalling that the outcome was so devastating to the indigenous people,
that does not mean Columbus did any less (in fact, if he did less, perhaps
Native Americans would not have suffered so much).  Nations conquering other
nations is a very old (and honored) tradition.  Native American tribes 
conquered each other, Europeans conquered each other, Asians and Africans
all conquered each other.  Do not fault Columbus because they were the most
successful at conquering other peoples.  It is tragic for the vanquished, but
triumph for the victor.

Besides, I don't get Columbus Day off anymore, so to hell with all of them!

D.Wall
From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (The Clone of Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: where is GARY?
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:45:19 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (The Clone of Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The Alternative Universe

In article <1992Oct8.013453.1585@u.washington.edu> Lou Ciphre writes:
> 
> where are you gary?  it's been a while.

The only reason why the aliens allowed him to tell the world about
them is because they assumed that nobody would believe such a story
from somebody who had just escaped from a mental hospital. Luckily
(and unfortunately for the aliens) we know better. It is *obvious*
that the aliens would put a base in a mental hospital. It is even
more obvious that nobody would believe a patient claiming that the
hospital is full of aliens, and the medical staff is actually an
army of clones ready to do whatever the aliens want them to do.

Of course, I know that Gary is sane. He has been locked in the alien
base, not in the hospital. And I know from first-hand experience that
the aliens *are* cloning people. Heck, I am a clone myself. They took
me during the voting period in an attempt to change the results of the
election for "Spokesman for Earth", which indeed moved to the more
general title of "Spokesbeing for Earth". This was precisely to allow
clones and aliens to take part in the election.

Now, since the aliens have released their control for a second, I am
going to post the truth:

CONNECTION CLOSED

--
The Clone of Claudio Calvelli
From: pbrettle@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk (PAUL BRETTLE)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Aliens on internet
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:54:40 GMT
Organization: Clinical Research Network, Hope Hospital, Manchester
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

It wouldn't suprise me if, rather than messing around in spacecraft and all 
that, Aliens have already plugged into the Internet via the Deep Space 
Network.  

It would be a very easy way of interacting with terrestial life, with 
little risk of being discovered.

Any of you Alien hackers want to own up now?  

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From: malc@pyramid.unr.edu (Malcolm L. Carlock)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Keywords: stollman, clones, aliens, invasion, Jesus
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:40:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Xinaian Tourist Bureau

In article <1992Oct9.201953.1332@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
<
<I have just returned from a foree into the world of the unknown for the
<umteenth time, where I learned exactly who and why this has all been
<happening to me.  It turns out that I am a special angel put here by God
<to bring peace and happiness to the world.  I was taken over by Jesus, and
<he in turn saved my family and friends.  I drove all over California in my
<car, although the distances were altered by God moving my car through
<space, and one minute I was driving near Santa Barbara, and then the next
<minute I was back in Pasadena, where I was taken out of the car by angels
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<after stopping as told by God in the middle of an intersection.

Were the angels wearing Pasadena P.D. uniforms?

Or perhaps white coats :-)
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