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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:44:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BETSYS.92Sep4095853@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>q: How much did each club sock you for shipping? It looks like a good
>   deal, but shipping could ruin it

I usually order 3 CD's at a time.  BMG charges $1.81 per disc in this
quantity.  It's less if you order more, and more if you order less.
If your order gets broken into multiple shipments (it happens often),
the S&H charges do not increase.

When they run their "buy one get two free" deals, three CD's
(including shipping and NJ 6% sales tax) comes to about $20-$23.

>c: A friend is in one of those two clubs. He fulfilled all of the
>membership requirements, then waited them out for an entire year. He
>was given the 'opportunity' to re-enroll at the original deal...8 more
>CD's free with an obligation to buy six. They must make money on that!

Columbia house offers this deal to everyone.  It's no special deal.
They give that offer to readers of TV Guide as well!  The 8-free,
buy-6 deal still works out in your favor compared to record shop
prices, though.  Even after adding S&H, it's about $8.50 per CD for
the Columbia House into offer.

>c: Here in Harvard Square, there is a major price war going on. Tower
>Records, HMV, the Coop, Newbury Comics, and Discount Records are all
>playing. We get new releases/top 40 for $10.99 - $11.99. HMV also
>sells "returned" CD's for $9-$11. They all take each other's coupons.
>I wonder if they do mail-order? 

Tower Records does.  J&R Music World (46 Park Row, New York, NY) also
does mail order.  I don't know about J&R's prices, though.  I go to
them for their computer equipment (they sell almost everything). 
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From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: The Digicrap'ed CD album hits the UK - aaaaaarrrggghh !
Keywords: absolutely crap packaging kill all record companies who use it
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:16:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Well, the title says it all. Let's go and bomb "Go! Discs" right now for poss-
ibly starting the WORST packaging trend for CDs yet seen in the UK.

A little history:

Digipaks first appeared in the UK on CD singles and were notorious (and still
are) for fraying, creasing, being awkward to stack and generally being a right
pain in the bum for the discerning CD buyer. Any ecological arguments for them
(are there any ?) were thrown out of the window because you had to inevitably
buy an empty plastic jewel case to house the damn things in. In fact, that's my
standard policy for Digicraps now and I also refuse to pay above 1.99 pounds
for them (because of the extra 55p I have to pay for the jewel case).

Here's the present:

I was waiting for this and it duly came onto the market this week with the
release of Paul Weller's debut solo album on the Go! Discs label. This is in
a GATEFOLD DIGIPAK and if that wasn't bad enough, there's a loose CD booklet
inside which conveniently drops on the floor when you open the gatefold !!!
How *dumb* can you get ? I also saw a Japanese import copy of the same album
and THAT TOO was also in this same gatefold Digipak format !!! So it looks as
if you're stuck with either boycotting it (I will, but I'm not a fan of
Weller's anyway) or buying an utterly crap piece of packaging.

Go! Discs are fortunately a small label (home of The Beautiful South amongst
others), but my fear is that the major labels will also follow suit in the near
future and we'll be plagued with this utterly stupid packaging concept (hey,
it's almost as dumb as the US longbox and that's saying something !).

Richard K. Lloyd, 
Computer Science Dept.,   JANET     : rkl@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci
Liverpool University,     Internet  : rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk
Merseyside, England,    Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?"
Great Britain.          A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds."
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto)
Subject: titles/artists
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:27:55 GMT

don@helix,nih.gov
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Black Swan Records and getting CD's from Canada (Was: k.d. lang)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:48:34 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: The Bates Motel

krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans) writes:
>
>I've done business with Black Swan over the phone and I heartily 
>recommend them *for music in their specialties*. ... we've gotten 
>albums from them by Figgy Duff, Garnet Rogers, Anita Best & Pamela
>Morgan, and Bruce Cockburn.  I don't know how likely it is they 
>would have Lighthouse albums or other Canadian rock albums, though.

Well, Bruce Cockburn is pretty mainstream up in Canada. (-; I'm
certain that even if they don't stock stuff like Mitsou and Celine
Dion's Quebec catalogue, and Chris de Burgh, they can order stuff 
from the big distributors as well as independants.  Cockburn is on 
True North, distributed by Columbia Canada (and Sony is taking full
advantage of that fact outside of Canada now -- not that I mind at
all! (-;).  De Burgh is on A&M Canada, which is part of Polygram. 
It should be no problem to get any Canadian domestic title at full 
list (and, the buyer will still save against high American import 
store prices) if a sale is at stake.

I'll pass on the business address, then; I don't know if Nou would
consider getting a store account on a pay public-access Unix, since
BMG is on Compuserve and some California outfits are on Well and a
couple of other services.  At least they're on Pacific time, so us
easterners can call when it's cheaper ... 

gld
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From: flower@camelot.bradley.edu (Heather Matanock)
Subject: Re: INXS New Album?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:21:17 GMT

In <18ltthINN9aq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:

>I heard somewhere that a new INXS album just came out or will be coming out
>shortly.  Does anyone have it yet, is it any good?

	the album has been out for about a month now.  i don't have it yet
	but i have heard it and it is _very_ good.  i haven't bought it yet 
	because the cd only came out on digi-crap and so i was waiting to
	see if it would come out in jewlbox format. 

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From: jallaman@asgaard.uhl.uiowa.edu (John Allaman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: WANTED: Soundtrack to Leadbelly
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:41:54 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I have been looking for the soundtrack to Leadbelly, a movie released in the
late 70's.  I believe the singer was Hi-tide Harris.  There were also some
songs by Blind Lemon Jefferson but I don't know who sang them.  I have searched
high and low for this soundtrack to no avail.  If anyone has any information
on the Leadbelly soundtrack or Hi-tide Harris I would appreciate it.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: rrk@pi.rice.edu (Ramakrishnan Rajamony)
Subject: Allman Brothers Band ...
Originator: rrk@pi.rice.edu
Keywords: Allman Bros, tour itenerary
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:57:36 GMT

If someone knows the Allman Brothers Band tour itenerary for the Fall, could
you please *please* mail it to me? 

Muchas Gracias.

-Ram Rajamony.
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: WANTED: Residents' Freakshow
Keywords: residents freakshow wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:24:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Sep9.020614.1314@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.192558.29068@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>>I've been looking for Freakshow by the Residents on CD and have had no
>>luck of late. The guy at the local CD shop looked through his ESD catalog
>>and came up blank. Anyone know where I can get it? (ESD is the Residents'
>>label)

ESD is East Side Digital in (?) Minneapolis.  Ralph was the Residents'
label, now it appears to be TEC Tones (aka Ralph?).

>Gee, And, looks grim.  I wanted to buy a _Show_ for Larry Spence as
>a "welcome to DC" gift" way back last June, and there were no _Show_s
>to be had.  I regularly look through the Rez sections of stores and
>the _Freak Show_ has disappeared. 

It should be available from TEC Tones.  The TEC catalog I received less 
than a year ago had _Freak Show_, the most recent video (_The Eyes Scream_,
I think -- it's great), and other Rez stuff.  I'll look for the address 
tonight.  I've only seen a copy of _Freak_ in a store once, in Chicago;
it had no record company listed anywhere that I could see (but it did
have the "Official Product" logo).

Noteworthy Music at one point had _Freak_ for about $11, which is
probably cheaper than getting it from TEC.  Also, the few ads for 
_Freak_ had a direct-order number or address, but that may have just
been the TEC info.

>Other disks seem to cease to be 
>manufactured, then they appear a year or two later. 

I doubt if they do large pressings of things like Rez CDs.  But I can
usually find 5-10 different Residents releases in decent stores.  None
of the ESD stuff is out of print as far as I know.  ESD has a 1-800
number which I will also try to dig up (it's listed in the back of
the Schwann guide, I think).  I've called before to harass them about
the Frith reissues, and they were helpful.

>Ralph promised
>me over the phone about two years ago that _Live at the Apollo_ would
>come out "within a month."  What gives here?

The recession has slowed down the reissue of a lot of obscure releases
on CD.  ESD was way late on getting the Fred Frith discs out.  But 
_Vileness Fats_ is supposedly out now, so I don't think they've gone
bankrupt or given up on Residents reissues.  If you spoke to a Ralph
person, that would have been before the Ralph -> TEC switchover, so
_Apollo_ (not to be confused with the Eno album %) may have gotten back-
burnered in the process.

-- 
Larry Spence
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From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Black Swan Records and getting CD's from Canada (Was: k.d. lang)
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:46:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Michigan State University

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:
>>
>>I belive it was you who was nice enough to mail me this a while back
>>when I was trying to get a Lighthouse CD. I sent this fellow email,
>>and received no reply. No bounced mail ... just no answer.
>
>If Nou doesn't want to use his e-mail for business, could he
>please drop me a note (he's never said anything) and I only put it in
>that advice file because e-mail is cheaper and easier than telephone.

Nou has written in the past that he doesn't feel he can use his e-mail
account for the store's business.

I've done business with Black Swan over the phone and I heartily 
recommend them *for music in their specialties*.  Black Swan specializes
in jazz, folk, blues and "world music;" we've gotten albums from them 
by Figgy Duff, Garnet Rogers, Anita Best & Pamela Morgan, and 
Bruce Cockburn.   I don't know how likely it is they would have 
Lighthouse albums or other Canadian rock albums, though.

Black Swan issued their first catalog this summer.

    Black Swan Records
    2936 W. 4th Ave.
    Vancouver, BC  v6k 1r2
    (604) 734-2828
-- 
--Ken Josenhans
    Internet: 13020KRJ@msu.edu      Bitnet: 13020KRJ@msu
From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The digi-crap problem...
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 18:13:37 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Sep3.152444.12575@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> (rec.music.cd), jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> 
> In <gedE5fq00WB3M8WnZX@andrew.cmu.edu> Gregory James Legowski <gl11+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> >I, like (it would seem) most people on the net, despise the digi-pak. While
> >I'd much rather see this type of packaging banned from the face of the Earth
> >forever, I found a temporary solution that works for me.  All you need is an
> >empty jewel box ($0.44 from Noteworthy), a metal-edged ruler, a SHARP X-Acto
> >knife, and some patience ;-)  If you're careful you'll get all the artwork
> >of the digi-crap in the durability of the jewel box.
> 
> I prefer scanning the artwork into a computer so I can manipulate it to simulate
> the folding book style of Real Jewel Box packages.
> ('Course I'm still wishing for a *color* scanner ...)
> 
> 				James Willer
> {the opinions above are probably NOT those of
>  anyone at all}
> 

Perhaps a rec.packaging.cd newsgroup should be created for people
who are less interested in the contents! :-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Rodney Campbell)
Subject: Re: INXS New Album?
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:21:52 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:

>I heard somewhere that a new INXS album just came out or will be coming out
>shortly.  Does anyone have it yet, is it any good?

>Mike
>-- 

I have it - it is called "Welcome to Whereever You Are" and it is 45:10
long. Unfortunately I have only heard it once so I can't as yet tell you
whether it is any good.

		  						Rodney...
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Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6468 rec.music.misc:23334
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:10:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep12.152428.10289@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>Can anyone give a concise history of the band?  Starting with Keith and Jane Relf?
>I have been a fan since Novella and have most of their recorded outputs, 
>Camera_Camera and Timelines being the conscious omissions.  

Timeline you can probably do without, however you are doing yourself a 
disfavor by excluding "Camera Camera".  Granted it's a bit different style
that earlier works.  It doesn't have the "long drawn out" pieces like
"Can You Hear Me" (one of the more challenging Renaissance pieces I feel) 
but musically I think it is still very sound.  Annie exhibits some vocal
pyrotechnics which match or surpass much of what she did on earlier albums.
For some reason this is one Renaissance album I tend to play louder than
others. 
 

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From: ravi@castle.ed.ac.uk (R I Soosay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:03:16 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


	The record companies are definately ripping us off here in the
UK. They might say that it is cheaper or something to manufacture in the
US but I'm originally from Malaysia, and there they sell cds that are
manufactured here in Europe and shipped 8000 miles for about #8.00
(US$16) - a lot of them are made in the UK. I'm not buying any over #10
and my brother will bring a caseload back for me this summer.

R Soosay
(ravi@castle.ed.ac.uk)
Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6377 rec.music.misc:22979
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:56:27 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <malcolm.715632606@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>My $.02 - Columbia isn't really worth it on their standard 8/6 offer. BMG
>is a good deal but has a more limited selection and presses their own discs, 
>which may effect resale value or quality. I was surprised that the discs
>I got from Columbia were original pressings, like one on Rykodisc I got 
>from them. 

BMG is a major distributor.  The next time you're in a large music
store (like Sma Goody), note the labelling on the shipping cartons
they get their stuff in - lost of it is labeled "BMG Distribution".
The CD's they sell are identical to store-bought ones in most cases -
the only difference is that the UPC bar code is missing (and is
replaced with the BMG catalog number).

There have been a few exceptions, though.  My copy of "REM - Green"
was missing the "fours" on the front cover (REM fans will know what I
mean), and my copy of Phantom Of The Opera didn't have the big book of
lyrics in it (I don't mind, it only cost $16!).  Aside from that,
everything's been perfect.  I've never had a bad disc from them, and
other Netters here have claimed very good return policies.

>Both make you mail back a card each month or they auto ship something you
>probably don't want. Tell them you are going on vacation for a couple of
>months and they'll offer to let you switch to a plan that doesn't require
>you to mail the card back each time... 

You don't have to make up any vacation stories.  Just write or call
them and ask to be placed on the list.  BMG didn't ask a single
question.  Now, I only send in the cards when I want to order.


-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "TELEPHONE, n.  An Invention of the devil which
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   abrogates some of the advantages of making a
 ((|,)                          disagreeable person keep his distance."
  ~|~                              --- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:50:19 GMT

In article <136283@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>Well, *I* have always liked _Camera Camera_, even though it IS somewhat
>different in style from their earlier albums.  Annie's vocal gymnastics
>on the title track are incredible!

I like their tour following Camera Camera the most.   :-)
Sigh, I was too young to have gone to Carnegie Hall to see them live.
But after more than ten years, they toured through Vancouver in the
early 1980's, and Annie on stage in a short red dress was _very_
_very_ sexy indeed. She had the moves, she had the curves, and she
had the maturity to bring it all together into one irresistable package.

:-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mlh24@cas.org (Mitch L. Hewitt)
Subject: Question on BMG shipping/handling charges
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Keywords: BMG
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:31:48 GMT

Could anyone please tell me what BMG charges on a per/CD
basis for shipping and handling?  That seems to be the one
small fact that they've left off their new member
enrollment form.  Is it better, or comparable to, Columbia
House?  If this is on the FAQ, just point me to
where I might find it.  Thanks.

Mitch
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From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: TRADE: CD album <-> single, U.S. <-> Europe
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:00:21 GMT


I'd like to propose a trade with any European netter out there.
I'm in dire need of a CD-single that's discontinued in America.
(I have been unable to import it though record stores here.)
I'll trade you any* domestic U.S. CD-album for this CD-single:

"Gigantic" by Pixies  (contains the tracks Gigantic, River Euphrates,
                       Vamos live, plus one other song)


* I live near several very good stores, so I should be able to find
  or order just about any American disc currently in print.

send e-mail to drk@leland.stanford.edu

David.
From: kevin.whitefoot@thcave.no (Kevin Whitefoot)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Bell ringing
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: kevin.whitefoot@thcave.no (Kevin Whitefoot)
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18

To:all

Perhaps this is the wrong place for this question, if so perhaps
someone can point the way to the r
Does anyone know of a CD of bell ringing.  By bell ringing I mean
English style change ringing of church bells, I've been out ocountry for rather a long time and one of the things I miss is hearing
peals of bells on Sunday mornings. All we have here in Nolocal priest clanging one or two bells like an alarm clock.  I
sometimes imagine a Monty Python style cartoon where a huge hand down from the sky to press on the church spire to turn off the racket.

Any ideas?
From: kor@zurich.spectrospin.ch (Reto Koradi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: DCC vs. MiniDisc
Summary: 1,000,000
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:09:02 GMT
Organization: Spectrospin AG, Fallanden Switzerland

In article <1992Sep11.000745.28791@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> In <RSHAPIRO.92Sep10113243@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
> 
> I wrote:
> 
> >   My main gripe with recordable CD tech at this point is that (so far) it
> >   is only Write-Once-Read-Many.  Granted, a disk that you can record yourself
> >   is better than one you can't, but wouldn't one that you can record over and
> >   over be better than one you can only record on once???
> 
> >MiniDisc is not a WORM technology -- you can record on it as many
> >times as you like.
> 
> I stand corrected. I thought I read that you could record a several
> times before the disc was somehow 'set', but after that it's read-only.
> 

I saw it at an exposition, and they claimed that you can record it
1,000,000 times.

Reto

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