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From: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED/NEW BUNNY OWNER
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:53:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan19.222547.2742@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>Recently my wife purchased a black French Lop.  He is now 5 months old.
>I was wondering if anyone out there could please tell me when their ears 
>will lie down.  The first ear went down about 5 weeks ago.  Will we be stuck
>with 1 ear up and 1 down?

Pee-wee's (my mini lop) ears did the lop thang ever since I brought her home
at 6 weeks.  She's my first lop of any kind, so someone else might give
you better advice.  I do notice, tho, that she lops a "certain way'. 
Meaning that Both her ears flop over one way, but the other way only one
will flop and one will stick up.  She also sticks her ears up at will,
when she's hears an unfamiliar noise.

>Also, I've heard alot about litter training rabbits.  Does this include all
>the little pellets they leave around?  We've sucessfully trained our rabbit
>to urinate in the litter box, but we cannot train him to use it for pooping.

Again, I am only (and obviously) speaking from my experience, but Pee-wee only
urinates in her box and in one corner of the bathroom.  I have just gotten
used to sweeping up the pills...Pee-wee is about 1 1/2 years old, and very
affectionate towards humans.  So I share the question:  Is there anyway we
can train "older" bunnies how not to leave their pellets all over the place,
even if (especially if) they already piss in a box?  (For me , I guess it
doesn't matter quite so much, because PW is shedding like I don't know
what, in the middle of the wettest winter ever to hit California since 1950!
She has no bare patches of skin, and is very active, but I sweep and
think, "Shit! Why bother!"

--Annie

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: sniebuhr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sarah E Niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Bunny Loves Carpeting
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:17:02 GMT

My bunny, Rashi, absolutely loves to pull at the carpeting.  I have often heard
of female rabbits doing this, but no reason why our little boy bunnies should 
be.  I, too, am interested in more news on this.  I don't particularly mind 
that he does it, but what is the reason behind it?
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From: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Jessop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: a bunny toy
Keywords: old sheets
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:14:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu


Hi all,
Pee-wee has a really terrible, unbreakable (I've given up, that is, beyond
shooing her away when I hear her doing this) habit of digging and pulling at
my bedsheets.  What this tends to mean is that I spend a lot of money on
new fitted sheets which never match my top sheets (okay, not a big deal)
because her little scratches turn into gaping rips in a few weeks if I am
not TOTALLY vigilant.  Thus far I'd just been using the dead sheets as
rags, but with the last one I got the bright idea of just giving it to her
as it was.  Now it's in a pile on the floor of "her room" (also known as
my study, when she cares to share it with me :) ) and she pushes at it and
digs in it and rearranges it and drags it around all the time.  She's
really funny.  We have started this game where she'll be digging and I'll
throw another piece of the sheet over her and she digs her way out and
jumps on me.  Lots of laughs...
This may be wishful thinking, but I think she may even have tapered off on
ripping the sheets I'm still trying to use...

Just now, she seems to have decided her litter box is a toy, too.  Pine
shavings everywhere...Then she got part way out of it (hind legs on the
floor, front legs reaching into the box) and started _dragging_ it across
the floor!

Enough of that...I sort of recall someone saying earlier that it's a
better idea than not to spay females even if they have no contact with
males, because they tend to get ovarian tumors...Is that right?  I've
always just kind of felt that if there was no need, why have her cut up? 
Can someone please repost or repeat the basic arguments for getting
rabbits spayed?  Also, she's about 1 1/2.  Is that too old?  Too young?

Thanks, especially for indulging all that "cute bunny" stuff,
Annie
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From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:52:12 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu


                 *****   ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS   *****

                             TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
                     The Association for the Study of Play
      April 22 - 24, 1993 * The St. Paul Hotel * St. Paul, Minnesota

   The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue   until Saturday, April 24. There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of   research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
    For the past twenty years TASP conferences have provided  a  mechanism by  which  researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas  and  interact  in  a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
   Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad  study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees  ($60 professional and $20 student made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease)
Subject: Rabbit Cages Needed!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Marlboro MA
Date: 25 JAN 93 13:43:28    


     Don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but this is an
emergency:

     Desperately wanted - one or two rabbit cages with trays.  We have taken 
in two homeless rabbits but we need cages and can't afford the $50 each for 
brand-new ones.

     I'm concerned that these two aren't eating (they *are* eating hay, but
no pellets, not even the ones that they came with) and I think it may be
psychological - the move plus their new environment down in the cellar with
other (separated) rabbits.  These are more "pet" rabbits than the ones 
downstairs, and I think they need to be upstairs with us, which is fine except
that we don't have any cages for them to be upstairs (the cellar cages have
no trays).  Since we have cats upstairs, we want the rabbits to be cage-able
for their and the cats' protections.

     Any leads would be much appreciated ... I live in Shrewsbury MA and work
in Marlboro MA.

    					- Andrea
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Second rabbit
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:29 GMT

Hello, bun-friends!

Well, we've finally gotten to the point where we think we're in a position to
get a second bunny.

(Mostly this involved taking up the carpet in the living room, which 
facilitates sweeping and cleaning. That's Frankie's primary territory,
and he seems to be very upset about it -- any ideas about why? The wood 
underneath doesn't seem to be rough or cold, but he spent almost all his time
for a few days on a small throw-rug we put down for him.)

We know that we should probably get a neutered female. That's about where our
knowledge ends. We want another bun for our own enjoyment, but mostly we want
Frankie to have some company; he seems listless and bored lately, and we hope
a friend may help him get more active again. Does that seem to happen?
Frankie's quite large; would getting a smaller or younger bun help in making
him feel less threatened, or would it just encourage him to beat up on the new
one? He's generally *very* non-aggressive, so we're generally optimistic. Oh, 
he's neutered, too; we think that may also have something to do with his 
recent lethargy, since it happened at about the same time.

Are separate cages required? Frankie is free-range, so that would be a big
set-back for him, and we'd rather not do it. We know that we should introduce
them on neutral territory. Will they eventually share a litterbox? With luck, 
they'll eventually at least share territory peacefully, right? How do we get
from here to there? :->

Looking forward to hearing about your experiences...

Marty, Ron, and Frankie




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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (amy lynn young-leith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Bunny Loves Carpeting
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:56:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1993Jan25.151702.6893@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sniebuhr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sarah E Niebuhr) writes:
>My bunny, Rashi, absolutely loves to pull at the carpeting.  I have often heard
>of female rabbits doing this, but no reason why our little boy bunnies should 
>be.  I, too, am interested in more news on this.  I don't particularly mind 
>that he does it, but what is the reason behind it?

Dink is male, and he chews on EVERYTHING; I think the carpeting is
just another convenient thing to tear up.  He has some favorite
places, and seemes to do it off and on.  

amy
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*This post was made on personal time and has nothing to do whatsoever with  *
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Subject: Re: hamster, male or female
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:59:52 GMT

"victor lee" <victor.lee@canrem.com> writes:

>        I was wondering if anybody has any advice on whether male
>hamsters or female hamsters are better?  Are there any differeces
>regarding life expectancy, odour, behaviour, etc?

	Male hamsters tend to be smaller and less aggressive
than females.  My roommate has a male hamster and I have a 
female.  Our hamsters don't really smell much (as long as you
clean the cages :-), but the female does smell a little more
than the male.  So far, we haven't had an opportunity to measure 
life expectancies!  Personally, I think a male is probably 
preferable.  The single biggest drawback to hamsters is how
fidgety they are.  The males are less so and more likely
to set in your hand.  Of course, maybe our hamsters just have
unusual personalities.


-- 
Bryan Siegfried							zig@uiuc.edu
Solvet saeclum in favilla
From: worde@socrates.ucsf.edu (Linda Wordeman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Cavies
Summary: Where's all those Cavy fanciers?
Keywords: Cavies
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:01:36 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab


    Where's all those Cavy fanciers?

:wq
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: laf@world.std.com (Lisa A Fullam)
Subject: Please save this adorable dog...
Keywords: vet, ethics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: rec.pets
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:14:05 GMT


Does the implied deception by the vet trouble anybody out there? Sure, the
person asking to have a healthy dog killed should have been talked to,
dissuaded, if possible. But if the owner asked to have the dog killed, and
the vet agreed, surely it would be wrong to place the animal in another
home without the permission of the previous owner! For one thing, perhaps
the previous owner knew that the dog bites--it's hardly fair to ask some
unsuspecting Good Sam-type to take a biting dog. For another thing, this
practice--lying to one's clients, becomes more sinister in other contexts.
It's not uncommon for people to ask vets, when they bring old, sick
animals to be put to sleep, "You're not going to experiment on him, are
you?" This is fairly wrenching for the conscientious vet, who tries, as
much as possible, to serve honestly, the needs of pets and owners. Lying
to one's clients, no matter how noble the cause, seems to me only to break
down the trust between vet and client.

What do you think?
From: gretchen@ugcs.caltech.edu (Gretchen Mullendore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Guinea Pigs..odor or not odor?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:18:09 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: near.ugcs.caltech.edu

jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) writes:

>mehrl4986@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
>> Guinea Pigs Stink???

>> My niece wants a guinea pig and her mom will let her have one if they don't
>> stink.  Are guinea pigs hard to keep clean and healthy?  Is there any tips to
>> keep animal smells down?  Would appreciate advice from people who own guinea
>> pigs. 

>>  Also is there alot of cost involved in raising a guinea pig?  This is
>> not a rich family.  That means no more than $15 a month on the critter will be
>> spent.

>A GP shouldn't cost more than a few dollars/month, once the initial costs of
>a cage, watering container and feeding container are out of the way.  A solid
>bottom container, not wood, with wood shavings for bedding, makes an ideal
>cage.  I buy a huge bale of pine shavings about every three to four months.
>This costs about $10 and supplies one GP and two gerbils.  The GP cage is
>cleaned each day or two, and only urine stained shavings are removed, with a 
>similar quantity of fresh shavings added.  With this level of maintainence,
>there is no odor problem.

I don't think it's necessary to clean the cage this frequently, I just put a
a layer of absorbent stuff (like kitty litter, but made for small animals) on
the bottom with cedar chips on top of that.  I only clean the whole thing every
two weeks and have a very happy healthy guinea pig that doesn't smell!

>Be sure to provide water supplimented with vitamin C, and good quality food.
>Veggie treats, as well as grass and dandelions (in the summer) are always
>appreciated.

Also give them something to chew on that's tough.  Corn on the Cob seems to
be a good one, although my pig also like stripped toilet paper rolls.  I find
preferences always differ from pig to pig.

Hope this helps!!
Gretchen
gretchen@ugcs.caltech.edu
"Guinea Pigs are People, too!"

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: Ferrets/ rash??
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:47:16 CST

Hi all,

I have a strange question for you about ferrets.

I have a male, about a year and a half.  I was wondering,
do male ferrets have teats??  I know that's kind of strange,
but I noticed some pimple-like things around the genetal area
(around the lower stomach area).  Maybe its normal, or maybe its
a rash.

Oh, he's eating, drinking, and pooping (although sometimes his poop
looks good and other times it looks small and stringy.  The other thing 
is, he goes *all* the time.  I mean, he's in that litter box more than
my females ever are.  Maybe its because he eats more, I don't know.

Please mail me.

Chris.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: missing articles??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:05:47 GMT

I have a question.  I seem to be "missing" some articles that are posted to
the groups I read.  I know this because I have myself posted some srticles and 
never saw my actual article...BUT, I did see replies to it that were posted.
Also, a lot of the time, I see replies to articles that sounded very 
interesting! But I never got the original article.  I read these groups every
day, or almost every day, so I know that the articles arent just disappearing
because they have been up too long.

Is it just my server or what??  Any possible answers would be GREATLY
appreciated!!  (I hate missing animal stuff!!)

Kris

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle)
Subject: FAQ's and Archives
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:37:36 GMT

Help, please.  How do I find the Rec.pets archives and FAQ's.  I guess I need
an address.  This will be my first foray into the beyond beyond.  Thanks.
From: trish_r@mind.ORG (Trish Rucker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Pets, of course!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:04:07 -0500
Organization: Public Access Usenet in Atlanta GA

I would love to chat with others who share my animal interests.   I have 
a beautiful calico cat named Zelda.   She's a spoiled housecat who thinks 
she's a person!    Other animals and breeds that I particularly like 
include
* Abyssinians
* Burmese
* Calicos and Tortis
* Dachshunds
* Corgis
* Schipperkes
* Beagles
* Cockers
* Rabbits, especially lops
 
I would love to hear from other people who especially like cats and small 
dogs!
 
If you'd like to write back via Internet, please write
me at the following address:
trish.rucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com
  


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TRISH RUCKER
email: trish.rucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com
mail:  PO Box 37, Decatur, GA 30031-0037
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: libby@progress.COM (Libby Wilson)
Subject: New bunny owner
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:50:48 GMT

Hi. I'm the proud owner of a mini lop
named Boutros Boutros-Bunny. I've never
owned a bunny, I've never known anyone 
who owned a bunny and I'm completely
ignorant about all matters bunny. HELP!
I've read a couple books, neither we're 
overly helpful. I love Boutros dearly and
we're getting to be very good friends but
I'm terrified I'm going to do something 
wrong and he'll suffer terribly and die. 
(Well, I'm not quite that paranoid, but
I do want to make sure he's well cared
for.)

He's pretty well litter trained but he does
leave scat on one particular blanket. I catch
him everytime and put him in his litter box
but it hasn't stopped. Any ideas?

Is there any way to play _with_ bunnies?
He loves to scamper but doesn't get the concept
of playing with me.

He's starting to chew now. Will he chew 
everything? Are there any toys I can 
give him that will help?

He has some sleep around his eyes. Is this
normal? His eyes are otherwise clear and 
he's lively. Also, his shoulder blades are
pronounced. He has a good little belly but
seems skinny otherwise.

Any anecdotes, advice, warnings would be
appreciated. 

Thanks!

libby wilson
  
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kathyk@sco.COM (Kathy Kindred)
Subject: Horses forsale
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:30:18 GMT




Wait no longer!!!  Treat yourself to a life of
fun and companionship!         

2 Fabulous horses forsale...

1)  Appaloosa/Quarter  - gelding
    10 years old
    Great in the arena for drasage
    Lost majority of eye sight, but is very willing
    Well mannered
    Trained for English and Western

    $200 or Best Offer.  Needs to go to a good home.  Price is very
    negotiable as long as to a good home.  Needs patient, outgoing,
    and intermediate to advanced rider.

2)  Quarter  - gelding
    10 years old
    Great trail horse
    Well mannered
    Is good with beginner riders and expert riders.
    Trained Western

    $1500 or Best Offer.


Both Must Sell!

Contact Julie Sharp at 439-8996 for more details and a chance to see
them.

-- 

Kathy Kindred
SoftTech Account Coordinator
The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: save this dog...
Followup-To: "Lying vets"
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:58:07 GMT

I feel the need to express an opinion... A vet's first responsibility is
to the patient, not the owner.  A vet is not there to serve people who
amuse themselves with living toys.  A pet owner takes on a tremendous
responsibility by having pets; and if they at any time refuse to live up
to it, then the animal, vet, etc have no responsibility to the _former_
owner.  Anyways, I've never _heard_ of a vet doing "experiments" with
animals.  That is ridiculous.  Sorry to rant a bit, but would anyone say
that the police had no right to interfere with those 2 children whose
parents had abandoned them for a few weeks?  That may be a different
_degree_ of failure but it is all on the same continuum; I mean, its the
same issue.  The idea that people can be owned by other people is only one
step away from considering other animals exclusive property at the
disposal of their owners, with no rights as living things.  
Lisa, Chavelah, Cheerio, and Cirdan