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From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:59:29 GMT

In article <97197@netnews.upenn.edu>, mrice@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Rice)
writes:
>   I don't know anything about Soviet propoganda, but I do know
>that the Wistar Institute of Anatomy here at the University of
>Pennsylvania was accused of engineering the HIV virus in the 50s
>while racing Salk to find a polio vaccine.  Apparently, research
>was done using modified polio viruses, and they were tested in
>Africa.  The charge was that these modified viruses mutated into
>what is now the (two, three?) strains of the HIV virus.

   You can figure out if two viruses are alike by comparing their
genetic code.  The AIDS virus looks quite unlike the polio virus. 
Since polio isn't a retrovirus and HIV is, this claim is like
saying someone mutated a fish into grasshopper.  Another theory so
incredibly ignorant that anyone who had bothered to find out
anything could have dismissed it out of hand.

   What you probably _want_ to say is the the Wistar vaccines were 
contaminated with an AIDS precursor at some point, a theory that
cannot be dismissed from the facts alone.
 
>   The only way this could be checked was to thaw out samples kept
>from that research.  A review board was set up by somebody (CDC?)
>over the summer, and preliminary conclusions are that these
>charges are a bunch of hooey.

   But I too would like to see those samples checked for HIV, SIV,
or any related virus.  Wistar is probably terrified of the liability
situation if anything is found.

POINT OF INFORMATION:

   A couple hundred different types of HIV viruses have been
sequenced, often multiple types from a single patient.  While they
share broad areas of their genome, the ones that we use to say "ah,
this is HIV" they appear to vary in infectiousness, virulence, etc.
Extrapolating from the number of people whoes HIV infections have
been sequenced there are around 10^6 (yes, one million) different
HIV pseudospiecies.  It apears that multiple pseudospiecies evolve
in the typical infected individual.

   Are you scared yet?  We _really_ need to work together on this and 
ignorant conspiracy theories don't help.

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Frozen Waste
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:40:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

In article <1992Nov7.144913.14868@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Chicago Tribune, 11/7/92, p.16
>
>SEATTLE (Reuters) - A stinking basketball-sized chunk of frozen waste that
>	smashed through the roof of a suburban Seattle home came from a
>	United Airlines DC-10 flying overhead [...]
>	The FAA said such incidents occur occasionally...
>[...]

There was a similar incident in Austria not that long ago. It also
made a largish hole in somebody's roof.

Greetings,
--Mike

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Dry Towel in the DRYER?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:06:16 GMT

sdo@lossage (Sean D. O'Neil) writes:
: >: 
: >You won't find 20 degree wet air. There is no water vapor in air that cold,
: >although frozen water is often seen falling through it.
: 
: (Sigh) Ever watch the weather on TV, Bill?  Ever wonder why they 
: report relative humidities even when it's below freezing?  Ever
: wonder why they report dewpoints below freezing?  Same reason.
: Air can hold evaporated moisture at any temperature, but the warmer
: the air is, the more it can hold.

Yeah, you are right. I must have made the posting in the wee hours of
the morning. There is moisture - just very little of it.

: >You are right that cool air, with the same relative humidity as the warm
: >air, is more dense.
: 
: Uh-uh, wrong, as noted above.  Cool air *with the same amount of moisture*
: as warm air is more dense.  In this case, however, the cool air has a
: higher relative humidity than the warm air since the moisture it contains
: represents a higher percentage of the moisture required to saturate the air
: at that temperature.  Note that as air cools, in the absence of any other
: input to the system, the amount of moisture it contains will remain constant
: (and hence the relative humidity will go up) until the dewpoint is reached.
: 

Once again, you are right. I mixed up relative humidity with absolute
percentages of moisture. As you pointed out, they are not the same thing.

Thanks for the corrections.

Bill
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From: sem@mitre.org (Stan McQueen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Trilateral commission
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:31:34 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA.


What is the Trilateral Commission?

It has three sides, doesn't it?

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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Where can I look for any scholarly info....
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:39:39 GMT

In article <BxD6IJ.6Bo@rahul.net> phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>
>Phil "Hey, you thought snopes was mean.  For the time being, you're
>stuck with an extremely nasty Phil" Gustafson

Hey Phil, who rearranged *your* diodes?

cj "rectifier rotations 'R us" l
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Scratchy CDs & Stealth (was Re: pets & lab animals...)
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:57:56 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Nov9.105956.25132@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.020047.2688@msc.cornell.edu> maynard@sarah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
|> [CDs etc. deleted...]
|> >
|> >Is this stuff about Stealths being curved actually true? I was under the
|> >impression (but I'm no conoisseur of military hardware) that this was due
|> >to bogus artist's impressions and that real Stealth planes (both the bomber
|> >and the fighter) looked VERY angular with sharp edges everywhere.
|> >
|> 
|> The curved stealth stuff *is* bogus. The idea behind all the flat/angular
|> surfaces is to avoid scattering the energy not absorbed, but rather to
|> reflect it in specific directions (ok, lobes for you radio buffs...). If
|> you happen to be at the right spot, you get a good return, otherwise you
|> get zip. Radii result in diffuse scattering, so wwherever you are you get a
|> decent return. Of course, you don't get that decent a return, because of
|> all the absorbent material on the plane, but that's the basic idea behind the
|> angular/linear nature of the stealth planes.
|> 
|> The Wisp. [not a buff, just an interested amateur...]

Actually, the Air Force has a special pen that they use
around the edges of the plane to improve the sound quality
on the radio.

ObUL:  The Stone Age man found in the Alpine glacier is 
 actually a Japanese soldier who has been hiding out since
 the end of WWII and a member of the Trilateralist Commission.
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From: jmorris@spider.co.uk (John Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Courgettes (was Re: doggy style)
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:32:22 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Nov9.213009.10762@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> foltz@as.arizona.edu writes:
>Yes, those pesky Brits...
>
>Courgettes are zucchini.  Fyi, they refer to eggplants as 'aubergines.'
>
Aha! I've always wondered what zucchini and eggplants were...



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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.nude
Subject: Re: Driving without shoes
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:16:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dechc00@tohi.DMI.USherb.Ca (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN) says:
>
>When I drive for a long time I often get hypnotized and sleep for a few
>seconds.  This is very dangerous and some people gave me this advice:

This happens to me quite often, every day, in normal driving.  Fortunately
there has only been one mishap, I hit a tree (the tree survived but the 
car didn't).

>Remove your shoes and drive bare foot.  You will have more sensations on
>the pedal and will never sleep again while driving.

I'll have to try it.  

>Now what should I do?  Take a chance for a stupid ticket or choose the
>accident (which may involve other people because I'm a very dangerous
>driver when I sleep).

Continue to drive bare-foot.  Even better, drive bare-body.


*Pooh Bare
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From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Miss Manners returns. (was 1950's Darryle).
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.142221@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
$In article <BxL82F.5B3@access.digex.com>, wbrown@access.digex.com (William
$Brown) writes:
$>     All of the name-calling launched at Darryle does nothing to reinforce
$> any arguments
$
$   I take it you were sound asleep for the last year.  Namecalling is the single
$most sucessful technique known for putting across a point of view.
$The Iowa state ERA just went down under a hail of name calling (feminazi,
$radical lesbian, etc).  Clinton spent incredible effort countering it,
$in spire of the economy handing him the election on a platter.
$
$   Darryle is an irresponsible idiot and deserves to be told so.  Its the only
$way he can tell he made a giant mistake.  He's shown himself to be unable to
$find even simple facts without help and thinks the popular press is worth spit.
$His self critisism is so weak he won't descern the magnitude of his mistakes
$without a slap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
$
$> and it speaks a great deal of the mentality of those who

Oh, so that means I can call you a shithead dickbrain? Because you are
one and you deserve to be told so.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: pwhitman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip N Whitman)
Subject: with relish
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.160431@axion.bt.co.uk> AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk writes:
>
>down, draping the underwear over his face.  He
>proceeded to masturbate with relish.  Some time
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds kinky.  I'll have to try it sometime.
Dishwashing liquid is OK;  Ketchup gets sticky
unless yo finish up really quickly.

-Neal
From: dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Question about "T." in James T. Kirk !!!!!!  (As seen on TV)
Keywords: We don' nee' no stinkeen' keywords!
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <8965@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw+@pitt.edu writes:
>In article <18829.2ae957bb@ecs.umass.edu>, rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>> Anyone knows what the middle initial of Captain Kirk stand for ?
>
>No.  I don't think that there is a person on this planet that knows what
>the "T" in James "T" Kirk stand for.  But ask in alt.folklore.urban --
>everbody *there* is from another planet and can quite possibly help you.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, when Kirk and McCoy are on
trial, the judge says "James Tiberious Kirk, you are accused of..."


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From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Heart attack in Disneyland's original Haunted mansion?
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:03:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <6NOV199210580109@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
>In article <19921105152721ECZ5ACK@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
>  ecz5ack@mvs.oac.ucla.edu writes...
>
>>One of my coworkers says he has heard a story about the
>>Haunted Mansion at Disneyland.  As the story goes, the
>>Mansion was originally much more frightening than it
>>currently is; it was changed after a woman had a heart
>>attack and died inside the attraction.  Has anyone else
>>heard this?
>
>Yes, we've heard it; but no, it's not true.  The Haunted Mansion has been
>altered a little over the years, primarily to tone down the volume and
>suddenness of things that pop up and shriek at you, but that's about all that
>has changed.
>

Of course, toning down volume and suddenness of things that pop out at you is
done to reduce the shock value, which is *exactly* what causes (or can cause)
people with weak/diseased cardiovascular systems to drop dead. (Vaso-vagal
attacks, strokes etc. etc.). No, I'm not saying the Disney story is true -
I have no idea one way or the other - but the changes you describe are exactly
the ones that would be used to prevent such an occurence (or reoccurence...).

Later,

The Wisp.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: wpmadden@eos.ncsu.edu (Bill Madden)
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:22:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.181931.4493@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <jberger.35.0@novell.com> jberger@novell.com (John Berger) writes:
>>However, does anyone know when we hav had this many living ex-VICE-
>>presidents?  We have:  Nixon, Ford, Mondale, Bush, & Quayle.  Or is this 
>>statistic so uninteresting that nobody even tries to track it?
>
>Isn't Agnew still alive?
No, he had a ice pick driven into his head.
Remember, Mad Magazine said it was true so it has to be true.

Wm

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From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:52:37 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <9NOV199211295484@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>,
dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
> My father (the numismatist) always claimed there was some sort of
> statute that gave transactors of business dealings the right to refuse
> payment in pennies over a quantity of 100.

In the City Police office here in Durban, where one has to pay fines for
parking in the wrong place, driving too fast, or whatever, they have
a sign explaining what is and is not legal tender, according to some
South African law.  I guess that they are afraid of folk who want to
demonstrate their annoyance at getting a R200 speeding fine by paying
it in 1c pieces.  If I remember right, officially issued bank notes
and gold coins are legal tender for all amounts, but small denomination
coins are legal tender only up to a few Rand.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
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From: sfshaw@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Steve (Flipper) Shaw)
Subject: Re: Junkies/crack addicts don't try to share the fun?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.010008.28440@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> >jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
> >:
> >:    Yep, I also greatly enjoy Pb(C2H5)4 for breakfast.
> >
> >If you can find leaded gasoline. It is rare or non-existant, in most
> >states.
> >
> >Bill
> 
> 	Problem is, this alleged incident happened somewhere in Ontario.
> Ontario is not yet (until the Canadian civil war) a state.
> 
> J.P. "Canadians have high octane raison boxes" Papai

Ah, but we nordeners don't have leaded gas either, eh.

S.F. "My Canadian has 5% alcohol" Shaw
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: College Coed Murder UL
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Nov5.211623.11540@bsu-ucs> 00kjfehn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>I have read the FAQ and couldn't find it there
>...
>Scrawled on the mirror in her roommate's blood is something along the lines
>of "Be happy you didn't turn the lights on."

Well it's a variant of "The Roomate's Death" and "The Licked Hand"
both of which are FAQ'd, but I think we ought to add this one too.

> and the moral of the story was to always lock your door.

Only if you're a co-ed.  These things *only* happen to co-eds.  Men
only get chloroformed and sodomized (note: no one is recorded as
having successfully committed sodomy in Sodom).

Warren "do you get an A if this happens?" Burstein
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS as a Weapon.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:17:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

  +I really find it hard to believe that a nation which runs it's economy
  +based on quarterly returns and can change sides on the fly (e.g. 1981 
  +Iran is bad Iraq is good, 1991 Iraq is bad Iran is good), could conceive 
  +of a weapon which takes so long to have any effect.  

I heard that the CIA has planted a drug that will kill Fidel 
Castro with lung cancer, in, oh, 20-40 yrs.
  
  +After all how many changes of government/foreign policy have you had
  +in the US since 1950?

None.  It's everybody else that keeps changing.


Terry "Not running for president" Chan
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.113632@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
...
>   Which part of "detailed so far" didn't you understand?  From the last
>time we went through this...
>
>   (1) The government does not now have the technology needed to make the 
>       conspiracy work.
>
>   (2) The governement certianly didn't have the technology in the fifties,
>       the putative timne frame for development.

"The gov didn't have the technology" is too easily refutable by the
conspiracy buffs.  (I.e., "They just didn't tell you")

As I argue in my other post on the subject (q.v.), you are far better off
asking yourself not "how?", but "why?"  Once you realize that there is
no answer to that ("why?") the whole thing falls apart.

Note that the above does not preclude the idea that they fucked up
(I.e., were doing some research and let something get away).  It does rule
out intent, however.

Now, the Kennedy conspiracy has a lot more going for it, on the "Why?" front.
Clearly, the CIA/Establishment power structure had a lot to lose there.

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