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From: leefi@microsoft.com (lee fisher)
Subject: Re: Can the NT CD be read under SunOS 4.1.1
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:27:40 GMT
Organization: microsoft corp., redmond, wa

there've been a few messages asking questions related to how to install
Windows NT (the July 1992 pre-release for ISVs build) disc, if their
hardware is supported and what options are available if their hardware
isn't yet supported by NT.

there's a supported hardware list that Alistair posted to the newsgroup
comp.os.ms-windows.announce newsgroup a while back. i'll include this
list at the end of this message since it'll help those asking these
questions.

if your CD-ROM drive is supported by Windows NT, you can boot the
install disk, which'll recognize the disc and install NT via the
normal setup program. which is great.

if your CD-ROM is NOT supported by Windows NT yet, then you can boot
MS-DOS and use whatever software you used to access the CD-ROM	drive 
(probably a device driver or two and Microsoft MSCDEX.EXE). once you 
can boot DOS and access this disc, you can use \dos2nt\dos2nt.bat to
install NT. this method is much different that the normal setup
program, see the release notes for more info.

and for the question about how to install Windows NT on systems which
don't have a CD-ROM drive, if you have a network, you can share this
CD-ROM on the net (or just copy all the files onto your file server), 
and use dos2nt.bat with a remote drive letter.  if you have funky 
network software, you might need to modify dos2nt.bat, it simply copies 
files to your local disk and updates the boot sector (via a debug script).
then, before rebooting to Windows NT, you have to edit registry.ini, an
ini file which this form of Windows NT (the setup program doesn't use it)
needs to get started.

hope this helps,
lee
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Lee Fisher, (not a spokesperson for) Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA, USA
leefi@microsoft.com, {uunet,uw-beaver,sun,sco,decvax}!microsoft!leefi
From: perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Running NT with more than 16MB
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Has anyone tried to run Windows NT on an ISA intel machine with 
more than 16Mb installed?

My question concerns what happends on an ISA machine with disk controllers
or other expansion boards which might try to access memory above the
 16Mb limit of the ISA expansion bus. Does this even happend in todays
systems?

For instance, what if some software wants to DMA a block of memory to a disk
or video or other type of card? If the source or destiation of the DMA
transfer is above 16Mb what happends? Do the DMA controllers automaticall
handle this case? Is there some system software which will detect this and
possibly do a transfer to low memory (below 16Mb) and then transfer it
above 16Mb to its destination?

I currently have a 16MB 486 machine and I have asked for more memory, but now
I wonder if it will really work or if I will need an EISA machine with 
all EISA add in boards.

-- Eric Perkins
From: Chuck.Phillips@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Developer Network News
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:34:51 GMT
	<1992Jul17.081644.20494@microsoft.com>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: alistair@microsoft.com's message of 17 Jul 92 08:16:44 GMT

Alistair> In article <16180007@hplsla.hp.com> dougp@hplsla.hp.com (Doug Passey) writes:
>On the Win32 NT offer (CD only version):
>
>This is a preliminary version and the wording in the advertisement is
>unclear on what you get when the final version of NT and the SDK come out.
>Can someone at Microsoft clear this up, i.e. if you buy the CD only version
>of this preliminary NT development environment, what, if anything, do you
>get when the final version of all the tools and operating system is
>released?


>>>>> On 17 Jul 92 08:16:44 GMT, alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) said:
Alistair> You get updates up to and including final release of Windows NT and
Alistair> the Win32 SDK. If you buy the CD only version, you only get CDs -
Alistair> the docs are on the CDs in postscript format

Are the updates (CD ROM and docs) free?  If not, then approximately how much?
For me, if the updates are free, it would be worth it to go ahead and spring
for the whole shebang.  Otherwise, I'll probably wait for the beta.

	Thanks in advance,
--
Chuck Phillips  MS440
NCR Microelectronics 			Chuck.Phillips@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
2001 Danfield Ct.
Ft. Collins, CO.  80525
From: abeals@autodesk.com (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: More TCP/IP install problems
Keywords: Windows NT, TCP/IP
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:01:22 GMT

tools@berkeley (Tools Directory) writes:

[Did what the manual told him to do in order to set it up...]

>After the machine rebooted from the above changes, I brought up a DOS
>window and entered:

>     net start tcpipsvc /trace

>and got:

>     The TCPIPSVC service is starting...

>A window appears, and then immediately disappears! I cannot see
>any of the messages!

That's because it goes away too fast.

If you load up the CPU, you can see it:

	Required Registry Key: \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\\Parameters\Tcpip is missing!
	ServiceAnnounceStatus\
		CurrentState 1
		ControlsAccepted 0
		Win32ExitCode 87
		ServiceSpecificExitCode 87
		Checkpoint 0
		Waithint 0

Still looks like Volap\"uk [Unicode Usenet, please!] to me.

>The startup has failed and I am left with:

>     The TCPIPSVC service could not be started

>How do I keep the trace window on the sceen long enough to read it?

Fire up the registry editor, shrink the dos withe trees.
Repeat the dos thing until the trace window covers the registry's
window.  Then you can read it.

>I'm at a loss as to how to debug this.  Can anyone make any suggestions?

Uh, add in the required service description?  To my eye, there is something
missing between those double backslashes up there.  What should go in?
--
Andrew Scott Beals	abeals@autodesk.com, kc6sss@n6ldl.#nocal.ca.usa.na
50.115MHz
Vivu libere a>u mortu!
From: hmlaw@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Law Hon Man)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Microsoft Systems Journal on NT
Keywords: Systems Journal NT
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:18:44 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong

debeaupr@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Beaupre) writes:

>Someone mentioned a few days ago, that an issue of the Microsoft
>Systems Journal was dedicated to Windows NT.

>What month and volume number was that issue??

The Jul/Aug 92 issue (vol 7 no 4). It has three articles concerns NT.

1. A Grand Tour of WIndows NT by Helen Custer
2. An intro. to Windows NT Mem. Management Fundamentals by Paul Yao
3. The case for 32 bits by charles Petzold

As article 1 is adapted fro the forthcoming book "Inside Widnows NT" by
Helen Custer (MS Press).

Law Hon Man
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: NT not to be generally available in the UK
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:31:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <712408842.19892@minster.york.ac.uk> martin@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Hi,
>  I phoned Microsoft UK this morning, trying to find out how to get a copy
>of the PDK, and was told that it is not going to be available to anyone who
>wants a copy, as it is in the US. In the UK there are three ways to get a PDK

I checked into this, and it appears that the answer you were given
wasn't right. I've appended the answer I was given from Microsoft Ltd

You'll see that they're giving preference on the kits to attendees of
their seminars (which makes sense, its what we did) and then they're going
to be available to all. Personally, I'd recommend going to a seminar to
anyone who is serious about Win32 application development. There's just so
much information to pick up, and taking it point-blank from the cd-rom with
or without docs isn't a fast thing - there seminars are very reasonably priced
as well

Alistair

============================================================================
These CD's will be readily and easily available in the UK.

We will run a series of half day Win32 developer seminars, starting as 
soon as we have these kits in the UK, and every delegate will walk away 
with a kit. We want to encourage all developers to attend one of these 
seminars to get a call to action on porting 3.1 apps and to preempt the 
support calls we would otherwise get from developers.

When the seminars are over there will also be a number  where the kits 
can be ordered directly by developers.

Seminar Dates are:      Aug 20th - London
                        Aug 26th - Dublin
                        Sep 8th - Edinburgh
                        Sep 10th - Manchester

The number to register an get more information on the seminars is: 0256 381100

Cost of seminar is 175 Pounds or 145 Pounds for members of our UK MS 
Developer Network.
======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: bonneau@hyper.hyper.com (Paul Bonneau)
Subject: Re: More TCP/IP install problems
Reply-To: bonneau@hyper.UUCP (Paul Bonneau,,)
Organization: HyperCube Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:56:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.194635.12119@microsoft.com> leefi@microsoft.com (lee fisher) writes:
>[this person was trying to install TCP/IP on windows NT, after 'net start 
>tcpipsvc /trace', the trace window gets created and then immediately goes 
>away. the question was how to keep the trace window on the screen long
>enough to read it.]
>
>the tcpipsvc.exe is run via the 'net start' code and doesn't have any 
>stdout/stderr to write to. so what it does is creates a new console window 
>to display its output. however, when it exits the window gets removed 
>during process cleanup.
>
>sometimes, the TCP/IP service exits very quickly, not giving you a chance
>to see the trace output. one thing to try is to type CTRL+S a bunch of 
>times, sometimes you'll get the timing right and freeze the output. if 
>that doesn't work, if you have a second machine setup as a kernel debugger 
>(i386kd.exe, mipskd.exe), you can 'net start tcpipsvc /dbgtrace', which'll 
>send the output to the debugger instead of a new console window.
>similarly, if you don't have a kernel debugger, you can use NTSD or WinDbg
>on the net start and TCP/IP service code, you can trace through this error 
>codepath before the console window goes away.
>
Tried ctrl/s, but it didna work.  Tried ntsd and ended up
inside ntdll, real close to an interrupt that does not
return control to the debugger.  How do you get back into the
"net" code from the initial DebugBreak?

>it has been suggested to add a pause to the end of this trace output or add 
>a new switch to send the output to a file. but we don't have a version with 
>these changes at this time, sorry.
>
Sounds like a reasonable suggestion, but an explanation of
how to effectively use NTSD against "net start tcpipsvc"
would be good too.

cheers - Paul.
From: debeaupr@napier.uwaterloo.ca (David Beaupre)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NT not to be generally available in the UK
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:38:40 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Jul30.183148.9802@microsoft.com>, alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:

> to be available to all. Personally, I'd recommend going to a seminar to
> anyone who is serious about Win32 application development. There's just so
> much information to pick up, and taking it point-blank from the cd-rom with
> or without docs isn't a fast thing - there seminars are very reasonably priced
> as well
> 
> Alistair

Is there a list of date when these seminars will be held in Canada?  Specifically,
the Metro Toronto area.

If so, could someone please email me or post to this newsgroup.

Thanks
Dave

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: bonneau@hyper.hyper.com (Paul Bonneau)
Subject: Re: network configuration?
Reply-To: bonneau@hyper.UUCP (Paul Bonneau,,)
Organization: HyperCube Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:52:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.152205.1@vthvax.tamu.edu> joel@vthvax.tamu.edu writes:
>Has anyone installed using dos2nt and managed to get the network started?
>I'm using a wd8013e network card.  I understand the control panel network
>icon won't work, can the net be configured in regedit?
>
I have the same card and the same problem (do2nt install).
As far as I can tell, the answer is *no*.  I am in the
process of attempting to scrounge a SCSI CD ROM and
controller to perform the graphical install.

cheers - Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joel@vthvax.tamu.edu
Subject: cd-rom/network support
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:55:44 GMT

I've just received the NT cd-rom but haven't installed it yet. The
release notes say that dos2nt does not install all of the network components.
What exactly does it exclude?  I was planning on using a cd player attached
to a novell server.

I understand NT supports IPX, DECNET, and TCPIP.  Does this multi-protocol
support provide a set of applications for their use, or is it just API
support?

Joel

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Win32s Support on Macintosh?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:10:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: Win32

In article <4624@balrog.ctron.com> lepage@olympus.ctron.com () writes:
>
>The possibility of a Win32s development effort for Macintosh was briefly
>discussed during the Microsoft Win32 developers Conference.  Would a 
>Microsoft Evangelist be so kind as to elaborate on this potential new
>marketing opertunity for Windows programs? More concrete intentions and
>time frames would be great!

We've talked about some cross platform work we have been doing internally
with reference to the Microsoft Foundation Classes and cross compilers, but
we've not been more specific than that. We have no concrete product plans
or timeframes to offer. -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Windows NT and SoundBlaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:21:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <3LT9NB1w165w@cyrcle.uucp> lothar@angus.mi.org writes:
>He informed me that the install crapped
>out with a message like: "No SCSI CD-ROM detected, Install aborted."
>
>Can anyone at Microsoft (Alistair) please tell me if this will be fixed in
>the (very) near future?

He's running into some other problem, since the install does not require
a scsi cd-rom - I'm not hardware or install expert, so I can't diagnose this
one further -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Windows NT developers conference
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:43:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: nt

In article <145@sc.sni.ie> keogh@sc.sni.ie (Paul Keogh) writes:
>Does anyone have the UK and Europe dates for the Windows NT developers'
>conferences ?

I don't have the dates for non-UK confernces in Europe, but I just
posted the UK dates in another message in this forum a few messages
back -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: heller@netcom.com (Deborah Heller)
Subject: NFS for Windows NT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:14:35 GMT
Organization: Teradyne Inc, Assembly Test Division
Summary: Looking for NFS 
Keywords: NFS, networking, TCP/IP


We're looking very closely at Windows NT at the moment.  We are in need of
NFS capability to/from the NT environment to our Unix fileserver.  Specifically,
we would like to put much of our Win NT software, documents and development on
our fileserver, but easily accessible from each PC running Win NT.

So far, I haven't located anyone who has developed NFS for this environment.  I
have spoken with Distinct Corporation in Saratoga, CA, but they're not even
far enough through development to need Beta test sites.

Has ANYONE seen any version of NFS yet for the Windows NT environment????


deb (aka MOTHER DAEMON)

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan)
Subject: How to order Win NT (was Re: getting into NT development)
Organization: Michigan State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 03:09:43 GMT

mab@fncrd6.fnal.gov (Mathew Braithwaite) writes:
: what number to i dial or to what address do i
: write to get the darned thing?  

A very reasonable question, actually.

Dial (800)227-4679.  When the automated phone system answers,
press 4 to get the Programmer's Development Tools dept (or some such).
When the operator answers (and the delay was quite short for me) ask to get
the Win32 Preliminary SDK or just Windows NT--they seem to know
what you're talking about.  

Give them your credit card number.  The cost is $81.79 including
tax and ground shipping.

The salesperson confirmed that one gets the final release of Windows NT
free with this offer (as has been confirmed numerous times here).

Anybody can order the kit.  They made no attempt to screen me,
and I'm sure they didn't know that I've been a faithful Microsoft
customer since 1983.

Mark R.
From: thg@cam-orl.co.uk (Tim Glauert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Running NT with more than 16MB
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.043742.2291@microsoft.com>, jvert@microsoft.com (John Vert) writes:
|> The disk driver requests DMA transfers through the HAL (Hardware Abstraction
|> Layer)  The HAL figures out that the DMA controller cannot see the memory
|> above 16Mb, performs the DMA into a buffer below the 16Mb line, then copies
|> the result to its final destination.  (and vice-versa when memory above
|> 16Mb is the source of the DMA))

Given the overhead of this copy, it would be nice if NT loaded longer-term
pages, such as the resident portions of itself, into this upper memory. Does
this happen? If not, might it happen in the future? i.e does the HAL contain
any information to allow the VM system to be intelligent about this? Or is
this only a problem on machines where DMA is so slow that the overhead is not
significant anyway?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Recursive folders?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:07:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Jul17.192838.4613@math.ufl.edu> sorrow@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>
>The WinNT SDK Reference does not mention if the Windows GUI will support
>folders in folders....someone tell me that if it has multi-threading
>capabilities, it can have folders within folders!

Of course Windows could have an entirely different shell, improved
(or not) in many ways - this is as true on Windows 3.0 as it is
in Windows NT

But it is our design intent that Windows & Windows NT have
a consistant UI - and therefore the first release of Windows NT
will have the same shell features as Windows 3.1. (more accurately
Windows for Workgroups) We have talked a little about Windows 
Cairo - this is the work where we will improve the shell. This
work will be seen in later Windows releases

Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROMs
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:37:51 GMT

I, too, am interested (in the model 74) and have the same questions.

Vince
From: jim@applix.com (Jim Morton [ext 237])
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Still no VI for NT!
Summary: how to run VI on NT
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:18:51 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

> >>I guess this posting is really a plea to tools vendors to
> >>*please* port VI to NT!
> >
Now that the July release runs DOS binaries, I have been happily using
my DOS vi program under NT.....although big files are a memory limit
problem (but then again big files screw up Notepad, too!)

--
Jim Morton, Applix Inc., Westboro, MA
...uunet!applix!jim    jim@applix.com
From: cbt@cam-orl.co.uk (Chris B Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Windows NT and SoundBlaster Pro "SCSI" CD-ROM
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:18:28 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd

In article <1992Jul23.052117.20763@microsoft.com> alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
>In article <3LT9NB1w165w@cyrcle.uucp> lothar@angus.mi.org writes:
>>He informed me that the install crapped
>>out with a message like: "No SCSI CD-ROM detected, Install aborted."

The SB Pro CD isn't SCSI

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Olivetti Research Laboratory        If it doesn't smell it isn't multimedia!
Cambridge. England
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Compatibility with IBM hardware
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:31:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <Bs4rn7.J7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> debeaupr@napier.uwaterloo.ca (David Beaupre) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if NT is compatible with all or most of
>the true IBM hardware.  I would assume so, but after the disputes
>between MS and IBM, you never know.

Windows NT will support the appropriate IBM hardware. We've got no
dispute with the IBM hardware folks, we simply compete with the OS/2
operating system folks -- Alistair
From: dsantos@hprnd.rose.hp.com (David Santos)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:08:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Microsoft Systems Journal on NT
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

The issue was July/August 1992, Vol. 7 No. 4.  All-in-all there were
pretty good articles.

Dave
From: ushomirs@spot.Colorado.EDU (USHOMIRSKIY GRIGORIY)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Help with NT install (error 0x69)
Keywords: NT install 0x69
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


I have just got the "Preliminary Win32 SDK" and am
trying to install it through "graphical setup".  

My machine is an ALR BusinessVeisa 486/33 with 
16 MB of RAM and a Prodesigner IIs EISA graphics 
card.  I have a 1 GB SCSI hard drive and Sony
CDU-541 CD-ROM drive connected to DPT's 
SmartCache 2012B SCSI controller with 4MB of
cache on board.  Even though that controller
was not listed in the hardware compatibility list
posted by Alistair, it was a very **sweet** surprise
that when I tried to boot the system from the NT
boot floppy, the Setup program looked *specifically* for
DPT controller and found it (:-). So it asked me to pick
a drive and started to copy its files there.  When it 
finished and rebootedit first gave me a warning that 
EISA bus reported a wrong amount of memory, which I 
ignored as it has been advised by many people on the
win32 list.  but then it gave me an error

Fatal error 0x00000069

Phase 1 of init failed  
(my wording might not be exact, but the error number is 0x69)

and hanged up.

It is also odd that the Setup copied a lot of files with
garbage filenames into winnt\config directory.

**What is error 0x69 and how do I fight it? **
I do have 25 MB free on drive C:\ where NT insists on
putting its paging file.

Also, how do I make Setup put my paging file on a drive
other than c:?

BTW, I don't have hardcopies of docs, so please don't
refer me to them.

P.S.  I **did** succeed in installing NT manually
(dos2nt.bat kept hanging up, so I just did it by hand)
and it runs fine except for networking.  The only hard
drive I have is SCSI connected to DPT SCSI controller,
so it must be supported.  I also can see my CD-ROM
from NT.

Thanks for any help
Greg