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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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Subject: Re: La premiere division
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:46:37 +0000







In message <17jm1dINNegt@uk-news.UK.Sun.COM> david@psi.UK.sun.COM
(David Alexander) writes

>It will become a lot earier if the English would call their new league the
>English Premier league as we have been running a premier league since 1975

>It's easy if you apply logic instead of the usual English arrogance as we see
>in "the" FA CUP : "the" FA

I'm Scottish and as fed up of English arrogance as anyone else but you miss
the point as to why the FA and FA Cup are so called. The FA is the original
governing board of the game hence it is simply called the "Football
Association", and so the Cup played for by its members is the "FA Challenge
Cup". When the SFA was formed it refused to affiliate to the FA and after
a while forbad its member clubs from affiliating directly either. Hence the
FA ended up as the English association instead of the British one as was
its original intent.

As far as the "premier league" is concerned, when in Scotland it means the
Scottish League Premier Division, when in England it means the FA Premier
League. The only confusion is when the "national" press/TV (i.e. the English
or London press), especially Sky, forgets that it serves the whole of the UK
and not just England.

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From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Unvision?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:41:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <Btv1L1.9IK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v087jsfu@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DANNY) writes:
>Does anyone know when Univision (F3/7) will start airing live
>soccer again, and who is slated?

Univision is scheduled to show the upcoming classic between Real Madrid
and Barcelona this coming Sunday.  PST time is most likely 3:00pm but
check your local listing to be sure.

On a related note, I heard that Sao Paolo of Brasil, the current Copa
Libertadores Champion beat both Real Madrid and Barcelona this past week.
Real Madrid lost by 4-0!  I don't know the Barcelona score nor do I
know if the Spanish teams fielded their best players.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.romanian
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: ... first 3 rounds
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:10:39 GMT

michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>I just wanted to express my profound admiration to
>Karel Stokkermans for having the time and will to post
>regularly the results of *all* Eastern European leagues!
>
>That's a hell lot of work, especially for a person who
>probably has no *emotional links* to those countries
>themselves.  Congratulations, Karel.  Keep up your good work!

Well, it's my pleasure. It would be of some help if someone else
would volunteer to compile and update tables...

Cheers,
Karel

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Roy Wegerle
Keywords: Roy Wegerle
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:52:22 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Sep2.182114.8424@infonode.ingr.com> james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock) writes:
>
>Can some kind soul update me as to Roy Wegerle's status/performance/
>play thus far this season?
>
>

I don't believe Wegerle is in the first team, although he may have
played an earlier game and has certainly been a substitute. With the
purchase of Shearer and the seemingly endless gobs of cash that
Blackburn are throwing around on new players, I wouldn't be surprised
to see Wegerle moving on after what has been a very brief sojourn at
Ewood Park. 

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: gjd@inf.rl.ac.uk (Graham Doe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Australian players to Europe.
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:14:45 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.


A quick addition to the Australian players in Europe list -

Scott Ollerenshaw (Walsall, English Division 3).

I've had some email discussion of him with Geoff and Mick, and news on our 
site seems to be lagging a few days behind, so apologies if he's found his
way into the list already.  So far 2 games plus 2 as sub - yet to score but
beginning to make an impression.

What I'd really like to know is how Scott and Walsall originally came into
contact...


Cheers,

Graham Doe
(trying out my newly-recovered ability to post to the net).

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Newcastle United(reply)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:21:20 GMT

Thanks for Kennet Anderssons name (sp). But have Newcastle actually signed
him, I seem to remember hearing some problems about him refusing to have a
trial.
Martin Phillipson
Faculty of Law
Victoria University
PO Box 600
Wellington NZ
tel +64 -4- 472-1000 x 8284     	or +64-4-471-5342 x 8284
fax +64 -4- 495-5236

email address   mphillip@matai.vuw.ac.nz
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Man City vs. Norwich report
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:08:36 GMT
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands

In article <seanb.714909868@cs.man.ac.uk> seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer) writes:
>
>	MANCHESTER CITY 3	NORWICH 1
>	White 45, 80		Megson 58
>	McMahon 90
>
>City: Coton, Brightwell, Phelan, Simpson, Curle, Vonk, White, Sheron,
>Quinn, Holden, McMahon
>  Subs not used: Reid, Flitcroft, Margetson (gk)

I read Vonk played in this game. How was he doing?  

louis kossen
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: World Cup Qualifier Result
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:32:46 GMT

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - UEFA QUALIFYING GROUP 3 ***
	
Latvia	0	Denmark	  0


Latest standings...

		P W D L  F  A Pts
Lithuania	3 1 1 1  4  4  3
Spain		1 1 0 0  3  0  2
Ireland		1 1 0 0  2  0  2
Albania		3 1 0 2  1  5  2
N. Ireland	1 0 1 0  2  2  1
Denmark		1 0 1 0  0  0  1
Latvia		2 0 1 1  1  2  1


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From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Belgian League results. ropund 4.
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:10:31 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <1992Aug23.184616.17991@prl.philips.nl> collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
>League round 4
>Games played 22/8 and 23/8.
>
>
> Standard Luik     2 Charleroi         0
> Asselmans
> Wilmots
>
> Racing Genk       2 FC Luik           0
> Goots(2)
>
> RSC Anderlecht    1 KV Mechelen       0
> Bosman                                 
>
> AA Gent           2 Lokeren           0
> Viscaal(2)                             
>
> Lierse SK         0 RWD Molenbeek     0
>
> Boom              1 Club Brugge       2
> Lukaku              Schaessens
>		     Amokachi
>
> Cercle Brugge     2 Royal Antwerp FC  3
> Weber(2)            Czerniatyniski(3)
>
> Waregem SV        4 SK Beveren        1
> A.Vidmar            Oulare
  --------
> Kruzen (2)                              
>
> Germinal Ekeren   5 Lommel            1
> Sabbadini
> Hofmans(2)
> Tahamata                             
> T.Vidmar
  --------

Good to see the Vidmar brothers both on the scorers' list.  Go Aussies!
>-- 
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Cheers, Geoff.

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From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Turkey and Albania
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:57:16 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Have anyone results of Turkey and Albania ?
Gracias
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: No news
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.065257.24707@Aus.Sun.COM> peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM writes:
>Is it my imagination, that there is no discussion on this newsgroup lately, or 
>is there
>some technical communications breakdown at my end perhaps. 
>I have only seen 2 pieces of news in the last 2 days, namely - articles 23478 &
> 23480.

I don't know whether it's your imagination or some technical problems,
but surely there've been much more pieces of news than 2 in the last
two days.

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From: carl@bjcong.bj.co.uk (CARL NANCOLLAS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Glorious start by dwarves ?!
Summary: Flying Start for the Toffies
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:26:31 GMT
Organization: Boldon James Limited (UK)

In article <1992Aug27.080156.29266@pony.Ingres.COM>, arc@Ingres.COM (Andy Cowling) writes:
> 
> Yeah and Howard's bought a lot of dwarves for their recent startling
> lack of success.  And please don'r retort with their glorious start to
> this campaign.  Last year they beat Arse 3-1 early on and their season
> was over by February.

With recent signings Paul Rideout, Barry Horne and the one and only 'Preki'
Everton look set to re-kindle their Great Success of the Mid 80's.

Having sat through some pretty dreadful matches over the past few seasons
it brings great happiness to all the Goodison Faithfull to see such a
convincing start to the new campaign.

Everton have got the basis of a great team.  Kendall is dealing with the fine
tuning, desperately keen to match the very best once more.  He has got a sound
defence with in goal a man who remains one of Europes top keepers, the
supremely talented Neville Southall.  In Midfield is one of the great 
entertainer Peter Beardsley who in his first season at Goodison scored 20
goals, his best ever return in the top flight. Up front is were Everton have
lacked fire power over the past seasons but with new boys Paul Rideout and
Mo Johnston I am sure the goals will come.

Could we have more Everton supporters (If there are any out there) on the NET

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From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European club competitions statistics
Keywords: England still top of the table, even after 5-year ban
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:31:07 GMT

jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:

>Which brings me to a few questions:

>Will Scots/Welsh/Irishmen count as 'foreigners' when they play for
>English clubs, starting this season ? 

Yes, but A.Ferg and others want the rules to be changed so that players who
are foreigners, but started at the club, namely Ryan Giggs, can be counted as
nationals. 

>Will players from EEC countries playing for other EEC teams (in a different
>country) count as 'foreigners', or is there an EEC labour law that prohibits 
>this ? 

They too are counted as foreign.  One of the more useful rulings of UEFA. A
few people want to change that however.


>How many 'foreigners' can a team field at a European match ?

Until last year the number was 4, however this year it will be 3, but a fourth
non-national player can be included if he has been at the club for longer than
5 (I think) years.


Cheers

Charles Brasted
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Subject: Re: Heading: Dain Bramage?? (check this out...)
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:30:37 GMT

In article <9208271232.AA10888@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU writes:
>While I agree that there is mounting evidence that supports the assertion that
>heading the ball may be dangerous, I feel that we are extremely uninformed 
>regarding this issue. I am aware of the study cited, regarding Norwegian 
>players, however, I suspect that at the different levels, different amounts of
>damage (from NONE to some) may occur and that it is important to recognize 
>what danger exists at what point. (SOrry for the run-on sentence.)
>
>	josef
>	jzeevi@swri.edu

What are those risks ? Please quantify ... 

I would also like to know precisely how the study was carried out, how the 
results were interpreted, if the players were examined before they start
playing football, etc ...

In short, living is dangerous, live dangerously !!!
-- 
Fernando Manuel Hourtiguet de Vasconcelos ( INESC ) 
Email:  fmhv@inesc.inesc.pt  Phone: +351 (1) 3100216 Fax: +351(1)525843 
Adress: Rua Alves Redol No 9, sala 208 Apartado 10105 
	1017 Lisboa CODEX - Portugal 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Player availability (was Re Uruguay)
Reply-To: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Nitesh Patel)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:02:09 GMT

As an example, the Danish FA
had the right to demand that Peter Schmeichel be in Lituania from
Monday this week, in preparation for the WC qualifier, making him
unavailable to Man. U. for the mid-week game. They chose not to use
this right, though.

Manchester United are actually going to fly out Schmeichel for the WC game.
But he will not miss a Utd fixture.

	Cheers


	Nitesh
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New FIFA Goalkeeper Rule
Date: 28 Aug 1992 09:39:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> Personally, I'd like to see the rule changed to allow a backpass by a player
-> in the penalty area when he is under pressure from an opponent, in this
-> situation a pass back is may well be the only option and is certainly not
-> an attempt at time-wasting.
-> 
-> James M. Ross
-> 
-> (j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)

This man speaks with a rare wit and clarity that clearly indicates a
superior education, and a keen knowledge of the game.
From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: ARGENTINE results - week 3
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:48:01 GMT

Courtesy of Microsemanario weekly news

<>   CAMPEONATO  LOCAL:  Con  el  triunfo  de  River  en  el  clasico   con 
 Idependiente como lo mas destacado, se desarrollo la 3a fecha del Torneo:

     PLATENSE 0- SAN LORENZO 1: Los santos lograron el primer  triunfo  del 
torneo en un partido mal jugado y parejo, aunque San Lorenzo pudo  aumentar 
en el 2o tiempo.

     RIVER 3- INDEPENDIENTE 0: Con  un  equipo  compacto  y  contundente  y 
merced a una sobresaliente perfomance, River le  gano  merecidamente  a  un 
Independiente que mostro absoluta impotencia ofensiva. Gran actuacion de Da 
Silva, que marco un gol. Los otros fueron de Ramon Diaz y Medina Bello.

     TALLERES 0- BOCA  0:  Floja  actuacion  de  Boca,  que  no  mostro  la 
capacidad ofensiva que se esperaria con todas sus  nuevas  figuras,  y  que 
incluso podria haber perdido de no ser porque Talleres no pudo rematar  con 
certeza. Boca debe cambiar si quiere lograr el Campeonato.

     MANDIYU 1- LANUS 5: Excelente y practico  futbol  de  Lanus,  que  con 
goles de Gambier y de Dicarlo derroto a una defensa que no jugaba a nada.

     RACING 1- ARGENTINOS 0: Partido muy entretenido  y  en  el  que  ambos 
tuvieron muchas oprotunidades de gol. Triunfo justo de la Academia.

     GIMNASIA 2- ROSARIO 1: Gimnasia domino en  el  1er  tiempo,  pero  los 
santafesinos se recuperaron en el 2o y estuvieron cerca de la igualdad.

     VELEZ 1- BELGRANO 0: Buen debut  de  Velez,  aunque  por  momentos  se 
olvidaba y permitia a Belgrano llegar peligrosamente al arco rival.

     FERRO 1- ESPA#OL 1: En partido mediocre, Espa#ol hizo mas para merecer 
el triunfo pero le falto contundencia en la definicion.

     HURACAN 2- SAN MARTIN 0: Con gran actuacion  de  Dalla  Libera,  sobre 
todo en el 1er tiempo, Huracan volvio a ganar y quedo solo en la punta.

     NEWELLS 0- ESTUDIANTES 3: Tras 20 a#os de no hacerlo, los  pinchas  se 
dieron el gusto de ganar. La victoria no  fue  muy  justa,  porque  Newells 
busco mas,  pero  Estudiantes  aprovecho  las  llegadas  que  tuvo  y  pudo 
convertir y golear.

POSICIONES:  HURACAN  5;  LANUS,  RIVER,  BOCA,  RACING,  SAN  LORENZO   4; 
ESTUDIANTES,    GIMNASIA,    PLATENSE,    INDEPENDIENTE,    TALLERES     3; 
VELEZ*,ARGENTINOS~, ROSARIO~, FERRO 2; ESPA#OL~, MANDIYU  1;  SAN  MARTIN*, 
BELGRANO~, NEWELLS* 0.

Los equipos llevan jugados3 partidos, salvo ~ (dos) y * (uno).-|-

                         
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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NET question
Date: 26 Aug 1992 09:26:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I will soon be leaving my present job.  This will then terminate my 
access to rec-sport-soccer.

Through what means can I regain access.  Are there any hosts that I can 
connect to from my home that will allow me access to the net.  
Bellevue/Seattle WA area.

Any suggestions?

Also, is it possible to have old mail re-addressed to a new e-mail or 
net address after changing systems?

I have till the 4th of Sep..

Thanks
Francis.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Re: Voetbal: 1e divisie NL, ronde 3
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:15:53 GMT

In <1992Aug27.094301.21184@sci.kun.nl> bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:


>NEDERLANDSE COMPETITIE: 1e DIVISIE NA 3e RONDE 
>===============================================================================

>Uitslagen:

>VVV - Helmond Sport                   1 - 4
>TOP - Eindhoven                       1 - 0
>Excelsior - AZ                        1 - 3
>Emmen - De Graafschap                 0 - 1
>SC Heerenveen - RBC                   3 - 0
>Telstar - SC Heracles '74             2 - 1
>ADO Den Haag - NEC                    1 - 1
>NAC - Veendam                         1 - 0
>FC Zwolle - Haarlem                   1 - 1

>Topscorer: Harry van der Laan (ADO Den Haag)


>STAND NA 3e RONDE
>===============================================================================
>   Team          Gespld    Gew   Gelijk  Verl       Punten        Doelsaldo
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.SC Heerenveen    3       2      1      0           5           7 -  3
> 2.AZ               3       2      1      0           5           9 -  6
> 3.NAC              3       2      1      0           5           5 -  2
> 4.De Graafschap    3       2      0      1           4           5 -  4
> 5.Haarlem          3       1      2      0           4           4 -  3
> 6.NEC              3       1      2      0           4           4 -  3
> 7.TOP              3       2      0      1           4           4 -  5
> 8.RBC              3       2      0      1           4           3 -  4
> 9.ADO Den Haag     3       1      1      1           3           6 -  5
>10.Helmond Sport    3       1      1      1           3           5 -  4
>11.Eindhoven        3       1      0      2           2           3 -  2
>12.Telstar          3       1      0      2           2           3 -  4
>13.Emmen            3       1      0      2           2           2 -  3
>14.VVV              3       1      0      2           2           6 -  8
>15.Excelsior        3       0      2      1           2           3 -  5
>16.FC Zwolle        3       0      1      2           1           2 -  4
>17.SC Heracles '74  3       0      1      2           1           3 -  6
>18.Veendam          3       0      1      2           1           0 -  3

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Ok, next time in English :-)