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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 12:59:14 GMT

I'm trying to compile a list of awards that Jordan has received during
his college and pro years.  Can anybody think of any others?

In what years did he win the dunk competition?

81-82  o ACC Rookie of the Year
       o NCAA Champion 

82-83  o NCAA Player of the Year

83-84  o NCAA Player of the Year
       o Gold Medal on Olympic Basketball Team

84-85  o NBA Rookie of the Year
       o NBA Scoring Champion (arguable, he led the league in points scored 
         while B.King led it in average but Bernard only played 55 games)

85-86  o Only played 18 games due to injury 

86-87  o NBA Scoring Champion  
       o NBA All-Star

87-88  o NBA MVP
       o NBA Scoring Champion
       o NBA Defensive Player of the Year
       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
       o NBA All-Star
       o NBA All-Star MVP

88-89  o NBA Scoring Champion
       o NBA Regular Season MVP Runner-Up (but was a 2-to-1 choice in
         voting by peers)
       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
       o NBA All-Star

89-90  o NBA Scoring Champion
       o NBA Regular Season MVP Runner-Up (again was favored in voting 
         by his peers)
       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
       o NBA All-Star

90-91  o NBA World Champion
       o NBA Finals MVP
       o NBA MVP
       o NBA Scoring Champion
       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
       o NBA All-Star

91-92  o NBA World Champion
       o NBA Finals MVP
       o NBA MVP
       o NBA Scoring Champion
       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
       o NBA All-Star
       o Gold Medal on Olympic Basketball Team

All-time Records
----------------
o Only player to ever lead league in scoring and steals in the same season
o NBA career playoff scoring average leader (or at least he used to be???)
o Only 2nd player to win NBA Championship and lead league in scoring 
  the same season (Kareem 1971) -- he has done it twice
-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Bird's 3ptr (Re: Mike)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:53:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.041540.22421@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>Meeks lie #29: article #1 post stop II.
>
>>
>>Oh no, don't tell Ed, he'll claim Venk is on his side :-)
>No sweat, I know you are on my side too, based on your inability to
>refute that the 3ptr was an instance of the type CFTHTTWAFAM, which
>is a home job, an application to your logic.

Hey Ed, give it a rest.  This was not a comment concerning you, just a joke
make on your (and my) behalf.  No one wants to listen to your whining and 
bringing things up again.   Or are we going to hear you regurgitations 
every time I post something?

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:48:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.145800.13706@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.125914.7775@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>82-83  o NCAA Player of the Year
>Can this be true? 82-83 was Ralphie's senior year. As far as I remember,
>Ralphie won all but one Player of the Year polls (including the Wooden
>Award), while Jordan won only one. 
>

Yes, it is true.  While Ralph did win a lot of awards his senior year, 
and was on the Sporting News All-American 1st team, Jordan won the 
Sporting News College Player of the Year award.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 11:44:34 -0400 
From: Daniel Reid Helsten <dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Utah Jazz

Does anyone out there have any info on the Jazz?  Their lineup?  How are
they supposed to do this year?  It looks like the west will be more
exiting than ever with Barkley on the Suns.  Now he and Malone can play
each other twice as much.
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:49:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug28.144945.22598
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <4220@3cpu.rain.com>, edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.124220.21758@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
|> >
|> >Got another quote for you guys.  I was watching my Bulls '92 Championship
|> >video last night and heard this...
|> >
|> >'Michael Jordan, you are the standard by which basketball 
|> > excellence is measured.' 
|> >             -- David Stern (and NO it's not the D.Stern that goes to UIUC!)
|> 
|>  Ok, here's one for you.
|> 
|>  "Larry Bird has helped define the way a generation of basketball fans
|>  has come to view and appreciate the NBA."
|>         -- David Stern (and NO it's not the D.Stern that goes to UIUC!)
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|>    __
|>  /--   __/
|> (___, (_/rury@3cpu.rain.com

I don't suppose you found THIS quote on the '92 Bulls Championsihp video?
;) How bout other Larry quotables? Any on there?
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From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBois)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:03:53 GMT

msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>"Somewhat better?" That's like saying Dan Quayle is "somewhat stoopid."

>Fact is the Lakers and Celtics won many a game where Bird or Magic
>scored under 10 points. They didn't have to rely on their scoring, 
>although they could score pretty freakin' well. I seem to recall some
>amazing Bird shootouts - 50+ points. In his prime, they weren't all
>that rare either. So, how is Jordan's 50+ point game "much better" than
>Bird's or Magic's? Do tell. Points is points.

>________________________________________________________________________
>Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM

well maybe its that Jordan has so many more of them.....

Theres an easy way to solve this folx... add up everyone's points per game
average and assists per game average (times 2) for the last 5-6 years and
compare...

-Dan

Jordan is God.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Final USA Stats?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:35:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2MJB.Jo9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Could someone post the final stats for the Dream Team in the
	Olympics?  Thanx!

	Jazzy J
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Beer,(was Re: Who's gonna win it all?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <jjonsson.120@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>,
jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
|>From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
|>Subject: Beer,(was Re: Who's gonna win it all?)
|>Date: 28 Aug 92 18:48:36 GMT
|>
|>In article <AHALL.92Aug27174206@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com
(Andrew Hall) writes:
|>
|>>In article <1992Aug26.184254.6582@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
(Paul R Krueger) writes:
|>
|>>   Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
|
|>
|>>   In article <l9njehINN3v9@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
|>>   >In article <1992Aug26.172948.25925@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
(Paul R Krueger) writes:
|>>   >|>|
|>>   >|>
|>>   >|>Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.
|>>   >|>
|>>   >|    How 'bout Miller? Or the much underrated Pabst? 
|>>   >|
|>>   >I'm still waiting...
|>>   >
|>>       Oh, I suppose down south you'd rather drink Billy Beer, huh ;)
|>>       I guess as long as it's not Bud or Busch it's okay.
|>
|>>   >
|>>   >
|>
|>
|>>There is NO good beer mentioned above.  Try New Amsterdam, Anchor,
Sam Adams if
|>>you want to drink american beer.
|>
|>Sorry, the best American beer is Red Hook, from Seattle. Actually there are 
|>a hell of a lot of good beers from the northwest. Try Black Hook too.

My vote is for Sierra Nevada Porter from Chico, CA. 

Ron

|>
|>Jeff Jonsson
|>Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
|>======================================================================
=========
|>--"It's the sound of the secret--  jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
|>-- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
|>-- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"
From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short (was Re: Who's gonna win it all )
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:31:47 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

In article <1992Aug28.150847.2418@megatek.com> megatek!rstewart@uunet.uu.net writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.212833.13214@unislc.uucp> gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd) writes:
>>        PACIFIC
>>
      
     [Prediction stuff deleted]

>>        LA Lakers      (James as great as you are you've played too many mins)
>
>Every keeps putting the Lakers in the cellar. Even without Magic, if the
>Lakers are healthy,  they have Perkins, Worthy, Vladi, Peeler this year,
>none of which played any significant number of games last year. And if
>Threat has another good year, I  think they will  end up 1 or 2 in the west.
>Now I do agree, without alot of youth added to the team they are in deep
>trouble, soon.
>-Rich

Get a clue.... there's no way the Lakers will be even in the top 
five in the West... making the playoffs will be quite an 
accomplishment.  The only thing that's going for them is that 
they're in one of the top three TV markets in the NBA.

Creas
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:59:58 GMT

In article <4217@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>Duckworth has reportedly been working with a very intense weight program
>at Gold's gym and is supposedly now "addicted" to training. Will that
>have a positive effect on him? Will Cliff Robinson stop taking wild
			.
			.
			.
Surely.  OK, so maybe I'm a bit credulous on
the game value of conditioning programs--I
believe in them in a BIG way--but I predict
a big Duck turnaround, if this be true.  It
could mean a Kevin Willis-magnitude comeback,
All-Star caliber play, a Blazer championship,
all that.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
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From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.132910.11306@newstand.syr.edu> bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight) writes:

>	Sure was a surprise to me, as the 1990 All-Star Game wasn't in Chicago.
>:-) The game was in 1988, and I have it on tape.  It surely wasn't a surprise
>that Jordan won the MVP, what with everybody except Isiah Thomas passing him
>the ball...[...stuff deleted]                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				Whoa now little doggie!!  Isiah probably
had the most spectacular pass of that game.  He got a steal, then
proceded to run down the court for an apparent easy lay-in, but instead
kissed the ball off the backboard to a waiting MJ to stuff it in.  Most
incredible!

Andy Lowery

 
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.202829.14296@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.184734.2536@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:  
>
>>5 white guys who can dunk that aren't 7"0:
>>Rex Chapman
>>Name 4 more if you can!!
>
>Tom Chambers
>"Thunder" Dan Majerle
>Detlef Schrempf
>Fred Roberts (yes, Fred Roberts)
   
   He's not just Fred Roberts (BTW, there are two other white guys on the
   Bucks who can dunk--Schayes and Brick), he's "SUPERFRED" as I constantly
   heard him referred to by a six-year-old one row behind me at a game last
   year.

   --salty

>All these guys can throw it down pretty good.


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 01:35:20 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
Keywords: n

In article <1992Aug26.211735.11097@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.191118.15020@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>
>Neither of Bird/Magic would have scored in this situation.  The correct
>answer is that they would have known where the open man was and Parish/
>Worthy would have the open dunk.  Cartwright would probably miss it.
>Jordan is a *MUCH* better man-to-man player than either of these guys and
>that is OBVIOUSLY what I am talking about.  

Funny, in watching Bird and Magic play over the years, I have seen both in
similar situations, and have seen both score, or pass to someone who scores.

>
>I know basketball is a team sport, but c'mon Bird's defense sucks in
>comparison.  As for team defense, neither Bird nor Magic come close
>to Jordan in that category either.  Jordan is one of the best at playing
>the passing lanes and getting the 'steal from behind'.  As for it taking
>a good defender to funnel a player into Robert and Kevin.  That's probably
>the stupidest thing you say in this post.  Overplaying the baseline side
>of a player is probably the easiest thing to do in basketball...but you
>probably wouldn't know that since you just read Larry books, watch Celtics 
>games, and figure your head isn't up your *ss.  You're wrong though, it is.

FUnny, many people consider Bird one of the best ever at playing the passing
lanes, which is why he averaged close to 2 steals a game over his career.
Overplaying the baseline side is easy, so is blocking out for the defensive
rebound.  Bird did both extremely well.  The thing about Bird was that he
was great at the little things and recognized his weaknesses.  He realized
he was not a great one-on-one defender, and guarded his player in such a way
that he tried to force them into the defense.  This is smart and perfect 
defense.  
>
>I'd say *your* arguements about Bird don't hold water.  Ask how many people
>think Bird is a good defender, or if Bird/Magic would try to score on a 
>double-team situation...

Well, I guess all those so-called "experts" that voted Bird onto the 
AllDefensive 2nd team 3 different times thought he "sucked" as well, right???
And, Bird and Magic were very well known for scoring on double team 
situations.  They are also known for the amazing pass in the same situation.

Andrew, you should probably chill out and get your lips out of Jordan's
butt for awhile, you have kissed it enough.  Jordan is a God, Magic is Magic
and Larry is a Legend.   Though we may all have our individual opinions as
to who was the best, they all will forever remain in the basketball memorys
as 3 of the best.  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Jordan vs. Magic vs. Bird... ENOUGH!
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:20:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.182052.29574
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

OK... as in my earlier post, here's the point total for the various
aspects of their games...

	3pts for the best, 2pts for the middle, 1 pt for the weakest...

		Category	Bird	Magic	Jordan

		Passing		2	3	1
		Scoring		2	1	3
		Shooting	3	1	2
		Rebounding	3	1	2
		Playmaking(T)	2	3	1
		Playmaking(I)	1	2	3
		Elevating Team	2	3	1
		Defense		1	2	3

		Total		16	16	16

IMHO, it's a dead heat, and the best is ONLY a personal preference...

And my overall ranking goes:
				1) Magic
				2) Bird
				3) Jordan

This is MY OPINION... NO FLAMES. But, considering the careers, and the fact 
that I can't stand Jordan, here is MY opinion... but as Jordan continues to
dominate the NBA, he will most definitely rise in this ranking... :)

My point is, we ain't gonna be able to decide the best, because that is
different for everyone... so, let's put it to rest. Give Larry`s legend
a break, give Magic's comeback a chance, and give Jordan's domination
its credit. All three are great, and IMHO, the three greatest NBA players,
no matter how they rank in the top three.

-- Venk --
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Charlotte/Orlando
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:48:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.201719.7238@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:

>P.S Does this mean Manning wants to stay??

      For some reason there seems to be a persistent rumor on the net
about Danny Manning being unhappy with the Clippers.  Except for the net
rumors, I've never heard of any such rumors in LA.  Granted, Manning
and Brown had a love-hate relationship at Kansas, but (publicly at least)
Manning expressed happiness when Brown was hired...and after Brown arrived
Manning's playing really took off, he finally started achieiving his
potential.
     Now Charles Smith is another story...he wasn't that thrilled with 
the Clippers to begin with (not sure if it was his salary or just the
Clippers in general that he didn't like), and he's very dissatisfied 
playing at center instead of his natural position, power (or even small)
forward.  He has said he either wants to be traded or will leave as
a free agent.
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From: rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:41:39 GMT

In article <5044@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.224059.18177@Princeton.EDU>, hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>>........
>>Cut this crap please !! Being chosen for the Olympics is a prestigious
>>issue and the BEST player should be given a chance (things such as availability
>>for other tourneys should not count).. And most certainly Shaq is a few
>>levels better than Laettner as a player.
>
>   If they wanted the BEST player, they shouldn't have gone to the college
>ranks.  They should have gotten _________ (fill in your favorite NBA player
>who got robbed here).  However, they wanted a college player, one who has
>international experience, one who can play on the perimeter, someone with
>some versatility.  Shaq is a dominant shot-blocker and rebounder but he is
>nowhere near as versatile as Laettner or JJ. 

With all that offensive talent on the  DT, versatility becomes a minor issue.
A dominant shot-blocker and rebounder would have made more of an impact, 
allowing the other players to focus more on their show-time offense.  Not 
that the DT lack shot-block or rebounding, but I think a guy like Shaq would
have given the DT more intensity on the defense.   

>.........
>>I would guess that the guys in the selection committee are racists who
>>wanted to project a "nice image of the US" given that there are already
>>"too may bad guys" such as Charles Barkeley and Karl Malone. 
>
>  So they got well known "nice guy" Christian Laettner.  Yeah.  Right.

He looks more like a good clean cut American boy than Shaq does.

>  
>--Rob Clough

---
FLY
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:50:30 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.232647.23645@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>I want to put his comparison into another perspective.  I was wondering if 
>it was possible for any player to win all three events at the All-Star game 
>(Three point shoot out, Dunk comp and All-Star MVP)?  The only player who I 
>could think, either in the past or present, would be Mike.   He has already 
>won the Dunk comp and Allstar MVP and come pretty close in the 3-point shoot 
>out.  I think this is one of the challenges he would like to win before he 
>retires.

Now I'm just as willing to toss out Jordan-woofs as anyone, but Jordan didn't
come *anywhere* close to winning the 3-point shootout.  As a matter of fact,
both he and Bird left that 3-point shootout in the first round.  And if I
remember correctly, Jordan had the lowest score of them all.

Of course, had Jordan been in 'the zone' like he was against Portland in game
1 of the championship series...

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The game of basketball is no longer played on the ground, it is dominated in 
>the air. 
>
>FLY.

To Air is NOT human...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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