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From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:02:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23505
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <1992Aug19.234150.2204496@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.233733.17080@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>
>>One thing my husband and I talked about doing was contacting social welfare
>>authorities.  If the family situation really is that dysfunctional, maybe
>>intervention is warranted.  We never did have the guts to go through with
>>it, though. 
>
>Wait!  Stop!  There is another alternative.  Perhaps the family simply needs
>educating.  We have a similar family in our social circle.  The mom is great,
>......
>
>I think we owe it to parents who don't really know how to parent to show them
>by example, discuss theories with them, and basically educate them.  Lots of
>parents really haven't a clue.  My guess is that is more the problem .....

Yes!  You folks have no idea how many times misc.kids and/or neighbors
saved parents from themselves (or parents from their kids, for that matter).
Just because someone has kids doesn't mean they know anything about kids,
and maybe none of their relatives know anything about kids either.  And
the appearance of negligence, or even of behavior you disagree with, doesn't
mean the parents aren't well intentioned, or are doing these things
deliberately.

Just think, they could be like us - his mother is 80 and doesn't remember
anything about babies, her step-mother adopted her kids at the ages of
1, 10, 15, and 16.  Neither of them ever babysat, none of them remember their
siblings infant/childhood (if they had any siblings at all), and none of
their friends/relatives have any kids.  And books, even if you have 10 feet of
infant/child books, don't even begin to address the day to day reality.

People are far too trigger happy about calling in social services these days.
They may not even have a good feel for what they put in motion.
Sometime it's warrented, but please, make sure before you call, those calls
can be devastating to otherwise well intentioned families.  Don't call just
because you don't want to be "nosy" or "embarrassing" to the other family.

Lynda
-- 
					Member HASA, Atheist-Scum Division
"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:21:52 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <JGJ.92Aug18130200@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>> Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
>> Mostly on human volunteers.
>
>That I find morally reprehensible.  To test things on humans before
>they've been tried on animals reeks of Nazi Germany.  You can bet I
>won't use any of these so-called cruelty-free products!
>

This is not an appropriate place for a flame-war.  Can I just point
out that this poster does not know what he is talking about w.r.t.
animal testing.

alisonjw

Ob kids: I went to see a friends new-born yesterday.  He was
beautiful.
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You Know You're A Parent When...
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:43:59 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Bear with me, this is sort of a multi-part "you know..."

You know you're a parent when your baby spits up and your first reaction is
mild interest at seeing something there that doesn't look like anything you fed
her for dinner...

And you know you are a SECOND-TIME parent when your subsequent worry turns to
relief as you realize it is only a bug, not a poisonous berry! :)

Ann Helmers

PS-we don't spray anymore, so the bug died a natural death--except if Caroline
is into bug sushi  ( eeeuuuwwww!)
From: sbrooks@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Susan Brooks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Medicines to keep on hand
Summary: Mylicon
         Cost
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:08:44 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


We have an eight-month-old daughter, Courtney Neeth, who put in her time
with colic.  After changing formula, and using Mylicon on the advice of her
doctor, she got enormous relief from this monster.  But the Mylicon was
running anywhere from $10 to $13/bottle - ouch!  The doctor suggested using a
generic brand which I found for $5.49/bottle - much better and worked just as
well, if not better!  I did find that generic prices ranged from $5.49 to
$7.99, so it pays to shop around.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.scouting
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Girl Scouts
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:46:35 GMT

Cross-posted from misc.kids:

In article <63813@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
>What type of activities do girl scouts engage in?  I'm trying to use 
>them in a movie script.

Just in case you didn't know, there is a rec.scouting group.  I would
imagine they'll have a lot of good information.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:12:32 GMT

In article <2A8D20FA.C9C@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.170244.23308@pony.Ingres.COM>, dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel 
>J. Dick) writes:
>> However, we need not expect the existance or judgements or character of God
>> to turn upon our beliefs as if the tail wags the dog.  And, just as the Lord
>> holds the Christian accountable, He holds the non-christian responsible, 
>too.
>> That is why the scripture says clearly that the fear of the Lord is the
>> beginning of wisdom.

>This is the exact thing I am talking about.  The statement that the xtian god 
>holds others responsible can easily be taken by non xtians to say that 
>xtianity is truth and no matter what else we believe, we'll have to answer to 
>the xtian god.  And the only basis for this that can be given is the bible.

>Understand what a slap in the face this is for anyone who doesn't believe the 
>same way you do.  I will certainly not teach my daughter this sort of 
>arrogant nonsense.

I have stayed out of this.  My original post talked about the discipline
of children.  Since this has wandered back to children, I will add my
comments. This "arrogant nonsense" is Christianity as defined in the
Bible. Many people and churches have made up their own religions which
they call Christianity but is not.  ("many ways" to God is NOT
Christianity)

We teach our children that there is only one way to peace with God and
that is through His Son, Jesus Christ.  We teach them that people who
don't believe that will be eternally punished for their disbelief. 
We also teach them that we as Christians have an important responsibility
to let everyone know about the Gospel message (in our home, at work and
even on USENET).  If people are offended by the message of Jesus Christ,
then so be it (the Bible says that they will be).  

They are also taught that we are to obey the laws of government so we 
won't participate in civil disobedience at baby killing clinics, or
physically attack a homosexual, or refuse to pay taxes. We also believe
that people are free to be unbelievers (at their own peril).

Is this narrow?  YES, the road to the heaven is very narrow and the road
to destruction is wide.  
(I will not answer flames.  Since this is misc.kids, I will only discuss
this as it relates to educating children.  We home school and I am always
happy to discuss that subject.)
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:01:12 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <2133@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> 
chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
> I like the features of the Fisher Price monitor the best (the
> volume is nice), but it seems as prone as any others (from what
> the store clerks tell me) to SHORTS that require you to jiggle
> and cajole the thing into working.  Actually, monitor number 3
> is starting to show signs of decay (right on schedule at 6 mo.)
> 
> Maybe we use our monitor more, I dunno...has anyone else
> experienced this problem?  What brand do YOU like the best?

I've been using my Fisher Price monitor daily for the past 20 months and 
have had no problems at all.  I always have it plugged it somewhere, 
haven't really tried it with batteries.  Matthew has discovered the base 
unit and likes to play with it.  One of these days I'll have to move it or 
I won't be a happy person when he finally manages to break it.  As far as 
privacy is concerned, I try to make a practice of always switching the 
base unit off when we don't need it.  I have picked up the neighbors from 
time to time, and I sure wouldn't want them to hear some of the stuff that 
goes on in our house sometimes! :)  I can only use one of the channels on 
the monitor since our next door neighbors got the same monitor.  I've also 
had trouble with interference from our cordless phone, but changing the 
channel on that seems to take care of it.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: another reason not to spank
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:22:52 GMT

This is actually funny and not intended to rekindle old flames.  As far
as spanking goes, we use the following line "We are opposed to spanking and
unable to live up to our highest standards."  So, Mitchell pushed
one of my very hot buttons on a very bad day and I reached out to swat his
bottom.  We were in the car and I hit the car seat instead of him.  I now have
broken blood vessels in two of my fingers.  

Of course, it was both a learning experience for me and a great tension breaker
as we both had to laugh.  I think God was telling me something.  Perhaps 
patience is a learned behavior.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Breastfeeding problems
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.215637.10030@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> kerry@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley) writes:

>>I think I still have some infection under my breast, which I hope will
>>go away, but the real problem right now is that I still have a clogged
>>milk duct somewhere.  Pumping makes it much worse, and nursing makes
>>it better.

La Leche Leauge says to nurse more frequently on the affected side.

>I've found the most helpful things to be....hot water bottles, on the
sore area...feeding the baby on the sore side first....changing the
positions that the baby feeds in...so it's chin is pointed at the sore
area....This can look a bit starnge, and involve some contortion, but
it can be reallly worth it!! 8-)

>You say that the blockage is underneath...it can be hard to drain that
area...experience shows that wearing a bra whilst trying to clear a
lower blocked duct is helpful...the weight of the breast can pull down
too much, and compound the drainage problem....And I found feeding,
with the baby lying on the bed, and me kneeling on all fours over her
to feed, with her lower jaw on the sore bit was the best of
all....Blessed relief!! 8-)

Two other bits of advice from my wife, an experienced nursing mom and
LLL junkie: 1) Avoid lying/sleeping on the affected area, and 2) avoid
underwire bras.  These are more preventive than curative measures, but
should help.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ted@zeus.ocs.com (Ted Scott)
Subject: Re: twins
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.  Germantown, Md., 20874
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:24:48 GMT

CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
: I have been watching the alt. area for alt.twins.  Did it never get started?
: If it didn't, I understand - we are all very busy.  I just wanted to make
: sure I wasn't overlooking it!
: Thanks, Teresa

Unfortunately, I can't watch the alt.* for it. I'm hoping some kind soul
will set up a reflecting mailer for the list when it starts.
--

-Ted Scott          
tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
(301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Clean house and serenity
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:48:00 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Aug11.213303.18855@nb.rockwell.com>, guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
> Just a note as I have seen a lot of talk about housework.
> I too had fits when I looked at a dirty house and I was 
> tired after a long day and I hadn't had any time to myself
> in days.  So I put an add for a housekeeper in the job board
> at the local college.  I pay $5 per hour and they come in
> 3 hours every day.  The laundry housecleaning and picking up

And for those of you like me who can't either can't afford this or 
live so far out no one would consider coming to your house, there 
is even an easier way....

Redefine what you consider a clean house.  I've finally reached 
the point where I consider the house clean if I have a rough 
idea of where everything is and can walk around without my socks
turning black.  

And yes, my house is now what I would have called a pig sty
back in my days-before-kids, but oddly enough, people who love
me don't love me any less, friends aren't less friendly, we haven't
become diseased and all-in-all it's worked out just fine.  

It was hard to get to this point, but as time went on, I developed
the natural disaster method of housecleaning.  The kitchen floor
gets scrubbed only after a long period of rain and the dogs and 
us track in mud in alarming amounts.  (We've had a 
wet year, thus my kitchen floor is cleaner than in a more typical 
year.)

Vacuuming occurs after the son and husband engage in popcorn-flipping
contests OR a strong gust of wind knocks all the houseplants over.
I do have a hard and fast rule about vacuuming after the Christmas
Tree is removed.  What I need now is a hard and fast rule about 
when to remove the Christmas Tree (last year it was perilously 
close to Valentine's Day and I considered hanging paper hearts on it.)

Wall washing occurs only after a particularly buggy period and we wish
to remove the vestiges of squashed bugs from the wall.

The refrigerator gets cleaned following a lengthy power outage.  (I've
got a self-cleaning stove, so the stove is without a doubt the cleanest
appliance in our house.) 

But the mother-of-all-natural-disasters is the phone call telling me
the in-laws are coming.  You should see us mobilize!

I do intend on having a conventionally clean house again someday.  If
all goes well, I intend on hiring someone to do it.  But in the meantime,
I've adapted.

Connie
From: ibe@world.std.com (ira b ekhaus)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: help needed: 5 month old sleep problems
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:40:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.Bt8rrv.GyB
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

hello,

We have a 5 month old boy who has great trouble with restlessness at
night.  We are searching for answers, suggestions, approaches  or references.

We suspect 
	1) allergies to foods passed through the breast milk
	(he's 100% breast fed).
	1a) gas pains (see above). Oddly, his stomach seems to only act up at
	night (much flatulence).
	2) teething.

My wife, Denise tried an experiment by cutting out dairy from her
diet.  A little bit more than a week into this experiment, he slept
through the night peacefully two days in a row, and we thought it was
solved.  Then a cold set him back, and we are left searching for a solution.

Any correspondence or help is appreciated.

ira ekhaus
ibe@world.std.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Crossposts to sci.med
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:52:07 GMT

x
In recent weeks, several threads have popped up with distributions
including both misc.kids and sci.med.  It quickly becomes obvious,
both from the authors' names and the content of the postings, 
from which group followups originate.
I would like to make a request, as a long-time reader of both
groups.
If you want technical/scientific info, ask sci.med .  If you want
to chatter and get group support, ask misc.kids.  But, do not
cross post.  Invariably readers of misc.kids get huffy and angry
at the sci.med info, and start a name-calling flame war. (to be
sure, sci.med posters help out by calling mis.kids posters 
ignorant, which is not nice even if true)
Please think about the type of reponses you want to get and 
post accordingly.  I think it'll keep a lot of people happier.
(BTW, I no longer read misc.kids for a variety of reasons.  I'll
happily answer any email or fone messages, and even try to stay
calm about it :=) )
cgw

-- 
Bobby Newmark, aka  Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
**Just say NO to HMOs**
From: susanw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Susan Wechsler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: tipped uterus & getting pregnant
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:41:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

>I've got a tipped uterus. (Luckily, not from
>endometreois.) And I want to have a child.
>Does anyone have any advice on getting pregnant
>quickly despite a tipped uterus?

>Brighid

I've been told by every gynecologist I've ever seen that I have a 
tipped uterus.  With both kids, I got pregnant the 1st month we
tried.  Believe me, a tipped uterus is NO obstacle to getting pregnant...

--Susan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:22:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug17.104908.15380@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Babies and small children often develop a strong attraction for their
>favorite blanket or other toy, and will get upset when you take it away to
>wash it. The solution is to buy two identical blankets, and swap the clean
>one for the dirty one when the child is asleep or distracted by something
>else. Then you can wash the dirty one.
>

The problem with this theory is that you can't tell in advance which
diaper, blanket, stuffed animal, or shoe is going to become
indispensable, and which will sit forever on a high shelf.  My
daughter must have had ten or eleven stuffed animals by the time she
was six months old.  (Everybody LOVES to give babies stuffed animals,
so think twice if that was your intention.)  Among these animals were
three different bears.  When Ellen was about a year old, her white
Dakin bear became THE bear, essential for sleeping and reassurance. 
By the time we realized what was going on, it was too late to swap in
a replacement.  We bought an identical (except for wear-and-tear) bear,
but Ellen has consistently refused to accept it.  (We've taken to
calling it "Bear's Evil Twin", because it *looks* like Bear, but isn't
really.)  Bear II has been washed several times with Bear I, but Ellen
knows who is who and accepts no substitutes.

If you figure out which animal is the lovey early in the game, you may
be able to swap in a ringer.  It didn't work for us.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: FAQs listing?
Date: 14 Aug 1992 19:16:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: it's posted twice monthly
Keywords: FAQ

I have sent the FAQ File Index to the two persons who have posted,
asking for it.  In the future, however, I have neither the time nor
the inclination to answer such posted requests.  I post the Index
twice a month (usually, on the 1st and 15th, if they don't fall on
weekends--for the sake of news machines with short expiration dates).

Thank you for your interest and cooperation.  Sorry to waste
bandwidth.
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:06:09 GMT
Subject: Birth control during breastfeeding?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I'll be having my second (and hopefully last) child soon, and then I need 
to decide what kind of birth control to use.  My ob/gyn recommends *NOT*
having my tubes tied right after the delivery -- she says that there's a
higher incidence of the tubes regenerating (or whatever :-) because the
body is trying to heal up from the delivery.  

She recommends an IUD.  I'm squeamish about them, mostly due to the old
problems (heavier bleeding, etc.) noted by early IUD users.  She assures
me that those problems only occur for a short while (while my body gets
used to having the IUD there) and since I'm unlikely to have any periods
the first few months while I'm breastfeeding, I shouldn't have much (if
any) discomfort. 

I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be on birth control pills while I'm breast-
feeding..... so I've already ruled out my preferred method for some months.

My husband could also get a vasectomy but he's reluctant (it must be one 
of those "male" things, though in general he's not at all obsessed with
being macho :-).  So I'm considering having my tubes tied later on (after
my body has recovered from the delivery).

I'd like to hear opinions on birth control methods during breastfeeding
(including permanent options).  Condoms aren't the answer either! :-)

Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.lang