From: tnishi@kansas.Berkeley.EDU (NISHIYAMA Tetsuto)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: UFO - area 51...
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:05:31 GMT
Reply-To: tnishi@lsa.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Computer Systems R&D Labs


In article <1992Oct5.175037.31665@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
(Robert McGrath) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.065027.11710@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>,
tnishi@kansas.Berkeley.EDU (NISHIYAMA Tetsuto) writes in part:
|> |> ------------------ report of t.v. show I saw --------------------------
|> |> 	Have any of you heard of stuff like this?  
|> Have I heard this stuff?  Endlessly.
|> 
|> |> reports or rumors that
|> |> the military is working with aliens ?  
|> Endlessly.
|> 
|> |> have any of you heard of the
|> |> "Majestic 12"?
|> Yes.  It's definitely a hoax.
|> 
|> This program was a re-hash of old stuff, most of which is total fantasy.

	I agree with you on the "re-hash" of old stuff because I've seen 
	some of the same scenes in the past few years...(the show I saw
	is a series of shows done about once every three months)...
	  The "total fantasy" part, I don't know...could you explain what
	you mean about "total fantasy"?  I have never seen a UFO myself.
	Only on t.v. so I don't know if they exist or not, but IF they
	did exist and WERE working with the military, it wouldn't be hard
	to imagine the military trying to keep it a secret.

	  Another interesting thing they showed was film/video clips
	taken from the space shuttle.  There were several film clips
	that showed different objects.  One object was shown to be twisting,
	bending, and turning irregularly as it floated over the earth.
	Another object was shown flying across the screen and make a sudden
	145 degree turn as another object flew past it, as if it were trying
	to avoid it.  (Apparently, the shuttle crew and other officials
	claim that the object is ice that formed when the shuttle dropped
	their used water, but it's clear through radio transmission between
	the shuttle and mission control that the water was dropped several
	minutes AFTER the incident.  Another NASA employee asked to analyze
	the tape said that it's hard to imagine that it is ice considering
	that other fragments flying in the same direction continue.  He 
	stopped the video to show a flash seen immediately before the object
	makes its 145 degree turn and the other object is seen flying past
	it.  He said that this suggests that it COULD have something to do
	with the "star wars project".)
	Another film clip was apparently used for some show (?) but it showed
	a portion of the earth with logos flying in and out of the picture.
	suddenly, a roundish object is seen flying into the picture and
	stopping in the middle as if it were watching.  Showing every 1/30
	second video frame at a time, it can be seen that the object is
	continuously changing its velocity as it zig zags through space.
		I'm not trying to prove that they exist or don't exist...
	just telling you what I saw on t.v.  
		Personally, I don't see why they wouldn't exist.  Many
	people (not me) claim to see them...yes I'm sure many of those are
	just planes or clouds or whatever else, but how about the others?
		I don't really follow this group much, but I think I've
	seen your (Robert McGrath's) comments before and I'm presuming
	(correct me if I'm wrong because I'm just presuming) that you are 
	one who does NOT believe in them...me?  I question their 
	existance...I don't really believe in them, but I don't 
	refute claims of their existance either.  What I would like to do,
	(highly unlikely though) is to actually go to these places (Puerto
	Rico or "area-51" or any other place that people claim to see these
	things) and see for myself...make my own decision...
		Robert, out of curiosity, I was wondering whether you did
	this?  Actually go to these places and see for yourself?  I'm just
	supposing that you did and were not convinced.
	
		There are things that DO bother me, like the reports of
	being told by the aliens that there will be global disaster if
	humans continue destroying the environment...why do they keep
	kidnapping the "little people"...if they (the aliens) REALLY
	wanted to help humans save the earth, why don't they just grab
	a couple of world leaders?  Bush, Yeltzin, Miyazawa, etc. etc.
	since it's the gov'ts that will ultimately decide the fate of the
	earth.

|> It's hard to give ditailed commetnary on these points, as there was not
|> enough info in the post to refute.

	refute? I don't really want you to JUST refute, but a comment with
	WHY would be nice.  Just saying it's a hoax or it's fantasy isn't
	going to tell us ( people who may believe or people who are not
	sure) WHY they may or may not exist.

	thanks.
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