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From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:52:02 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2



   George , From what I've heard, the sanctioning body of the G.P.s has
decided
to just run 250s from now on. They claim that this will save the factories
and the teams time and money by reducing their team size.

   Now is this a prudent decision? I think not. The 500s have always been
the premier
class as far as I'm concerned. Nothing sounds, jumps, powerslides or
looks like a
500 at full speed on a MX course.
 
    Here in the good ole U.S. most people really don't care to much for
th world G.P.
circuit. They feel that the U.S. riders are the best anyway and that we
would probably
be better off without them. I htink these people are very short sighted
and selfish.

  Most of the people mentioned above seem to forget that it was the Euros
that
brought MX here in the first place and that the 500 class was always the
most
popular. Perhaps they just need to have the old addage proved to them,
that
you don't appreciate something untill you lose it.

  You may also want to thank Yamaha and Suzuki since they were the moving
forces behind the decision to stop the 500 G.Ps. You see they never could
build a
succesful open class bike. 

  P.S. the road race guys were considering this too but decided against
it.

  Cheers Mate      (fast) Ken
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Beginning Dirt Riding -- towing
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:24:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

>	I asked about the "turbo warning" on the hotrod mailing list a few
>weeks ago, and I got some useful responses.  Bearing in mind that tractor-
>trailers have been running turbos on their big diesels for quite some time and
>that they often tow A LOT of weight, and that Dodge has a turbo diesel pickup,
>you CAN tow with a turbo. 

I towed two street bikes out to CO, including over the mountains with my Turbo
Starion, and didn't have any problems.  Whenever I was going uphill, however, I
kept a keen eye on the boost - any more than about 3 lb/in and the engine would
start to heat up.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?  (XR-650L)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:08:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:

> I personally would not want to lug the XR-650L around the dirt either but that
> is the price you gotta pay for street legality.  My XR-600 is heavy enough
> for me!  >|)

Of course, some of us live in more progressive states where they will let
you license just about anything.  Even if not strictly legal, once you're on 
the road, the police usually don't know enough to stop you, or they just 
don't care.

When I was written up for 24 points (lose license at 12!) on my old XR500,
none of the violations included knobby tires, no brake light, etc. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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From: amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr)
Subject: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:49:14 GMT
Organization: U of Kentucky, Computer & Mathematical Sciences Division

Can anyone tell me what is a good buying price for a 1986 Honda 350 three
wheeler? I think it is a TR350; I am not sure if this is correct or not,
anyway it is the 350cc 4 cycle model.  It appears clean and runs good (started
with one kick).  It needs a rear shock.  The owner is asking $650 and I
offered $400?  What do you think?  Please e-mail responses soon cause I
am dreaming about this bike every night and am tempted to just give in
and buy it.
-- 
- Amir Sadr,  Dept. of Computer Science   AMA#633741  amir@ms.uky.edu
- University of Kentucky                  DoD#0606    amir@UKMA.BITNET
- Lexington,  KY 40506-0027               CBR1000F    [rutgers,uunet]!ukma!amir
--
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:11:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: flyboy.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: Wife / Task Master


Hey, I am sorry that I didn't get to ride with you guys Saturday.
I had to go thru alot of verbal abuse from my wife.
I did not get the deck I was building done by Friday, (as I had promised)
sooooo, she made me finish it on Saturday.
We had a bunch of people over on Sunday for a party and she wanted it done
before they arrived.
Saturday was a good day to ride in Hollister.
I'll make it up to you guys.
Let me know when you want to go again, and I'll pop for some
Earthquake ale over at the Earthquake brewery & pub down the street.

PS. If you don't believe me, come on over and look at the deck, it came out
    pretty good.


Al " This Old House" Conte
From: news@array.com (news)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
: 
:         On the same lines... The biggest problem I have is psyche.  If
:         the wife has really been hounding me like, "What kind of dad
:         can you be to our son if you are crippled or dead!".  Coworkers
:         do the same by, "You're getting to old to be doing that", or 
:         "You have a kid to be thinking about, not riding that %$@&
:         motorcycle."
: 
:         It really ruins your ride for a couple of months after hearing
:         all that.  It makes me cautiously dangerous.  I get so tight and

I think I touched on that a while ago also.  How do we explain ..

"Its better to be a racer for a moment than a spectator forever"

.. ?

I don't even try anymore.  If they think I'm crazy/irresponsible/chemically
altered, I don't care.  My wife understands (she also races) and all my 
kids love to ride also.  Hard to understand the rush to those who 
haven't/don't wish to experience it.  Relax, and go with what makes ya
happy.  Life it too short to let other people live it for you!


  O                    Ken Murphy aka kenm@array.com              President RMEC
 <M> MerfMan          DoD #0479      '92 KTM 250 EX/C              Member COHVCO
_/ \_                 Race Now Party Later Racing Team                AMA 406077
Disclaimer: _I_ don't believe what I said, why should you?              SRAC 886
                   *******  Support Project Stealth ******


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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: I finally won again!
Summary: I won sundays race 
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:16:37 GMT

Well I finally pull it off.  I won my first race on the 250 Sunday.  We raced
at Kellers fishing camp outside of Glen Rose, Texas.  This place was great.  
There was plenty of shade, showers and even water-hoses to wash your bike.  
The track was 50% sand and had plenty of tight woods.  It was what I called
a slow track, which was fine with me after the 70 mph crash at the last race.
This is the type of track that I like.  (More skill than balls)  Anyway,  my
start wasn't all that great.  I started off in 2nd gear and heavy on the
clutch.  It looked at first as if I got a bad start, I passed everyone.  I
was on the outsideand the first turn was small berm leading to a small winding
uphill.  The guy with the fast inside line slammed me and I missed the berm and
took out a small 1" tree.  I lost several places.  During the first lap I
passed and fell and passed again only to fall again.  Finally I passed several
riders to end up with 3rd at the end of lap #1.  I stayed consistant and moved 
into first place half-way thru the race.  After I took 1st place I never was
challenged again.  I won the race by over 2 minutes.  This was by far the best
riding I have ever done.  As you can probably tell, I'm still stoked.
The next race is in two weeks at the Flying P Ranch near Weatherford, Texas.
I cant wait.   

_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

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From: john@infonode.ingr.com (John R. Mcintyre)
Subject: LBL 200
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:42:29 GMT

Hey Everybody!!!!

I was wondering if anybody was headed to Land Between the Lakes
for the Annual trailride???

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From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?  (XR-650L)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:52:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep10.144637.469@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>I really can't see why the magazines are getting so excited over the new
>XR650L. It does have decent suspension, but it's still a fat pig at 330
>pounds, and that teeny little tank has got to go.
>
Have you ever tried to ride a Kawasaki KLR (?) 650 on a real dirt ride?. . .
How about a Yamaha XT-650  (or whatever their latest is)?
The excitement is in how easily the XR-650L can out do these other bikes 
in the dirt.
I personally would not want to lug the XR-650L around the dirt either but that
is the price you gotta pay for street legality.  My XR-600 is heavy enough
for me!  >|)

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:35:33 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>    George , From what I've heard, the sanctioning body of the G.P.s has
> decided
> to just run 250s from now on. They claim that this will save the factories
> and the teams time and money by reducing their team size.

	I'd rather see them scrap the 250's and concentrate on 500's.
	Maybe stick to stock 500's?  Better still, keep 'em all and add a
	4st class...
> 
>    Now is this a prudent decision? I think not. The 500s have always been
> the premier
> class as far as I'm concerned. Nothing sounds, jumps, powerslides or
> looks like a
> 500 at full speed on a MX course.

	Sounds?...give me a field of hot factory 4 strokes....
	Jumps?..ok, you win.
	Powerslides?...you lose...

	But, I agree that killing off the 500's is a tragic decision.

>   Most of the people mentioned above seem to forget that it was the Euros
> that
> brought MX here in the first place and that the 500 class was always the
> most
> popular. Perhaps they just need to have the old addage proved to them,
> that
> you don't appreciate something untill you lose it.

	I loved watching the Euro 500cc races (on video..). Orders of
	magnitude better than the US stuff and SX....No flames please,
	just let this fart say it like it is...

>   You may also want to thank Yamaha and Suzuki since they were the moving
> forces behind the decision to stop the 500 G.Ps. You see they never could
> build a
> succesful open class bike. 

	There are a couple of WR500's running around giving everyone a bit
	of stick....  ;-)

	Trouble is that the companies think that because they don't sell
	many 500's there's no interest in them...What they don't
	understand is that it's the premier 500cc races that capture the
	hearts of riders and then we go and buy 250's.

> 
>   P.S. the road race guys were considering this too but decided against
> it.

	A pox on those even contemplating killing off 500cc..

	Cheers
	George C.
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:01:45 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

> 	Ok Mike, so what you're saying is that it just happens.
> 	Talent?..maybe...I've seen it in rare cases...more often though it's 
> 	due to attitude, attitude, attitude, practice and finally attitude.
> 
> 	If you think you're going to crash, you will... It sounds corny
> 	and you've heard it a million times, but it's true. Amazing how we
> 	riders forget it....I know I have heaps of times..and crashed my
> 	brains out. 

        On the same lines... The biggest problem I have is psyche.  If
        the wife has really been hounding me like, "What kind of dad
        can you be to our son if you are crippled or dead!".  Coworkers
        do the same by, "You're getting to old to be doing that", or 
        "You have a kid to be thinking about, not riding that %$@&
        motorcycle."

        It really ruins your ride for a couple of months after hearing
        all that.  It makes me cautiously dangerous.  I get so tight and
        tense about what I've heard that I throw away all technique
        and at that point I really don't feel like riding.  But I do
        anyway :-|. 

        But once in a great while I'll be loading up the bike on a 65 deg
        spring day with the smell of excitement in the air.  Everything
        looks different.  I'm not tense.  No cloudy thoughts.  Not even
        having to think about technique.  With the windows down, Def
        Lepard blasting through the speakers and my foot tapping, I KNOW 
        its going to be ONE OF THOSE DAYS.  

        I unload the bike as fast as I can.  I can barely wait for the
        radiators to get warm and seems like it takes forever to get my
        gear on.  Obviously, its not a normal day!

        I double, climb, descend, charge and lauch off of everything I
        can find and now I know.......... it was ONE OF THOSE DAYS.

        May all your days be ONE OF THOSE DAYS.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |  
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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.194002.2469@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>
>	On the other hand, maybe I'm just fortunate to have not endoed my 
>brains out by now.  What do some of you others think?  George?  Mike?  Come on, 
>I'm a young guy...let's have some experience talking...:)
>
>Dave

Are you calling me old!   Hey, I'm only 18 days short of being 23 years young. 
;-)
Anyway, I ride by feel.  If it feels right, then thats good.  If I feel the 
ground, well then thats bad.  I have been asked how I do some things on my bike
only to hear myself say "Idunno!"  I like to think it's natural talent. :-b


_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Kenda trail test results
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:32:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


> I got the chance to dirt test the Kenda Trakmaster DOT approved front tire
> this weekend.  For hard terrain I found it to be a good tire -- NOT!!!

	Oooops, I could have warned you....I tried a *big* Kenda rear on
	the KX500 up in the high country (rocky at times...) and knobs
	just tore off it. Never even looked at a Kenda since.
> 
> I plan on writing to Kenda to express my displeasure and request a refund.
> Alternatively, I will request a replacement tire, but only if it can be
> guaranteed to hold up much, much better.  

	Hey, good on you. Let us know how you get on..ok?
> 
> perform.  Anyone have an experience they'd like to share with us?  They
> other tire I might try is the Dunlop K139. 

	K139 is probably over rated. I've had one on the TT and one on the
	KX250. It was ok but from memory, the side walls were quite soft
	and you needed to run an extra couple psi to save the rims. Can't
	really remember how well they lasted which means that they whilst
	they didn't last for ever, they didn't flog out too soon..

	Ahhh....the eternal quest for tyres that don't have you swearing
	and moaning and bitching because they are stuffed after one
	race/ride....

	Cheers
	George C.


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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:10:24 GMT

baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:

>I thought you were supposed to jump down the hills, not ride down them.
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
>AMA #607249                            |              
>TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
>Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
>50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
>_______________________________________|_____________________________________
>"Absolutely, Positively, Definitely, Without a Doubt.....  NO FEAR"
>                                                      "not even a little bit"                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Riiiiiiight... no fear... none, but DESPARATION, I've got loads of that...

:-p yourself, Mike!

Dave
>                                                           
-- 
| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		|  "Imagine every atom in your body  | 
| Communications Systems Research Group |  accelerating away from you at the |
| University of Saskatchewan		|  speed of light."  "Total Protonic |
| Saskatoon, Canada                     |  Reversal."  "Okay, that's BAD."   |
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: laurie, bob, bob, randy, and todd do hollister hills.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:35:56 GMT

bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:

>we went riding at hollister today, as planned. attendees were ciotti,
>ciotti's girlfriend (robyn), randy scofield, and randy's friend todd. 

Sounds like a good day's ride. It rained all day Friday, so I took the
Quad up on the mountian to play in the mud. Those Kenda Nomads sure
throw a lot of mud. Everywhere. Even in front of you, so you can ride
into your own roost. :-) The Quad and my Aerostich jacket both need a
good washing!

>everyone had fun and bob kindly kept the metallica tapes in the truck.

What, no stereo on the dirt bike? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Theres a &%#@ hole in it!
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:28:28 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Sep09.013428.20537@convex.com>, couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>>      On the back side of the magneto cover there is this HOLE! I got
>>      the manual out and thank goodness the hole is isolated from the
>>      magneto.  There used to be a tube that ran into hole and then
>>      into the case (gromet also missing).  The manual doesn't say what
>>      the hose is, but my best guess says its an oil overflow tube.
>>      What else would a tube be doing in there?  I've never noticed
>>      it on any other bikes.
> 
> 	A hole in the magneto cover huh?  

        The magneto is dry. There is a little compartment in the back of
        the cover that is isolated from the magneto.  The hole runs
        into the compartment and then does a 90 degree into the case.
        
        The alleged tube never sees the magneto or the crank (otherwise
        it would %&*@ air) but it does see the gears.  It would have to
        be an oil overflow or breather for the oil.

> 	Some bikes do have the magneto running in oil (like my TT600), 

        Cool!  

> 	What sort of bike is it?

        Its an 86 RM125.  HACK....PITHUUUUUUU!  The slowest bike ever!
        But it does handle well enough for mid pack in the open classes.
        I've had the cylinder modified and have to change rings and
        silencer packing more than regular to keep enough low end to 
        be competitive.

> 
> 	I'd suggest that you get on the phone and track down the parts
> 	that were there and put them back on. Don't let anyone talk you
> 	into thinking that you don't really need them.

        I'll call.  You'll get to hear the outcome a little later. 

        I should probably clarify my discomfort with MAC.  I don't
        think there is problem with the mechanics.  Anyone can 
        overlook something now and then even when you try really
        hard.  The people on the phone is the problem.  They like
        to say nice positive things until you start asking hard 
        questions like, "Do you think they will get to it maybe
        NEXT MONTH?", or "Will you call before you ship?".

        MAC is not a bad place to mail order parts but, I'd have
        to think long and hard before I sent anything out of town
        to be modified or worked on again.  

        Today I'll make sure I talk to the mechanic instead of the
        guy infront of a sale catalog and microfiche.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |           
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