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From: newton@monty.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: How compatible is MINIX with Sys5
Organization: APANA South Australia - State mail hub
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:58:30 +1030

sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) writes:
> I am going to be doing some C programming for school and we have to use
> UNIX as our environment.  Does minix have all the standard libs that most
> UNIX machines have such as stdlb.h string.h math.h stdio.h time.h etc..

They aren't libraries, they're include files.  All but the most braindead
of C compilers have those.

 [ Yeah, ACK is braindead, but it's not *that* braindead ]

math.h could be a problem, because it's difficult to find a math library
for MINIX.  The others are well catered for, however.

> am I being ignorant?  I hope not.  I just want to make sure I can use
> MINIX to do my class work.

For basic-standard class work, SysV compatibility probably won't be
an issue (unless it's an advance class).  MINIX should be suitable.

   - mark

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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: archetyp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph R Pickert)
Subject: macminix 1.6.24
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:32:47 GMT
Keywords: macminix 1.6.24

Contrary to what I have said in the past about not doing an update to
Macminix until 2.0, I just got 1.6.24 (== IBM 1.6.24) running and have
decided to post it after the holidays. In addition to the regular stuff
that ast & co have added to this version (big file systems, etc.),
the mac version contains all new and updated ansi compatible ROM
interface files (/usr/lib/mac and /usr/src/lib/mac), incorporating
the stuff from inside mac volumes V and VI.

Good news for the GNU fans: The mac interface libraries have been
rewritten and are all in C now, except for a 100 lines or so of assembler.
User level programs no longer call the ROM directly, but will go through
a kernel task.

There are a number of cosmetic changes, and I sort of have the networking
stuff working through the toolbox, but I doubt I will try to incorporate it
into this release.

Joe
From: lucio@phyrql.Alt.ZA (Lucio de Re)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Upgrading to 1.6.16
Summary: Can't quite get it right
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:43:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: phyrql.1992Dec15.214357.1429
Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA
Organization: MegaByte Digital Communications

The first problem:  where can I find a copy of the ANSI compiler
that I seem to need to perform the upgrade?  Does it run on the
'286 architecture?

Is the distribution on plains.nodak.edu (pub/Minix/Updates/Beta/*)
complete?  The LIB archive is nearly empty and I'm not too sure
about the odd errors reported in one of the other archives (I forget
which).

There was also mention of 1.6.24 (perhaps?).  Where can I find that
and is it moderately stable?

Thanks all.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: "Henrik Schultz, Production Systems Group" <HENRIKS@odin.uniras.dk>
Subject: Multi-threaded fs for MINIX 1.5.10
Originator: mmdf@louie.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:18:08 GMT

Hello Minix'ers,

We've had the discussion about the Minix fs being single threaded
some time ago. Someone actually went on and coded a multi threaded fs
for Minix 1.6.16. So far so good.

Has anyone ever done the same at the 1.5.10 level?

If not, before I go ahead and attempt to fight this problem in a
reasonable manner (write it myself), are there anyone out there
who have comments on this project?
Maybe someone have actually discussed the subject earlier and found
that it would be impossible to do, - then I probably can spend my time
on some other interesting things :-)

I'm running an 'almost out of the box' Minix 1.5.10 on a PC/AT 286 with 3.5Mb
RAM and 20Mb harddisk.

Regards,
Henrik

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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: SESPC395@ysub.ysu.edu (Max)
Subject: HELP, MINIX will not boot on Gateway 2000 486/33
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:13:59 GMT

Hello, I am having a little dificulty booting on the Gateway2000 486/33.
it doesn't even boot with the universal boot disk.  I am looking for a
solution that will allow be to boot on the system.
 
The system also has a IDE hard drive, which I would like to access. If any one
has source to modify the kernel that will allow this.
 
Send replys to:   s0180873@unix1.cc.ysu.edu
From: nemossan@uitec.ac.jp (Sakurao NEMOTO)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Wanted: C-sources for lharc v2.1
Summary: There is no "lharc 2.1".  LHa, successer of lharc, is available,
	but it does not work on 16-bit-minix, can be used under 386-minix.
Keywords: lharc, LHa
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:53:09 GMT
Organization: Univ. Industrial Tech., Sagamihara, JAPAN

In article <1992Dec13.151216.5837@udel.edu> MUELLER@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Michael Mueller) writes:
>Does anyone know where I could find sources for the new version of lharc?
>I have the sources for lharc v1.13, and I would like to upgrade to a more
>recent version.

There is no "lharc v2.1", because it has been renamed to "LHa".

LHa is ported into *nix, and works well in many machines including
minix-386, but not in 16-bit-minix, because of memory shortage.

	-rw-r--r--  1 nemossan    83425 Apr  6  1992 LHa100u.tar.Z
	-rw-r--r--  1 nemossan    59849 Jul 17  1991 lharc_1.02.tar.Z

LHa for *nix was made available at April, 1992, so I'm sure you can
obtain it from many archive-sites, and may be from Sterling-Software's
NetNews-CDrom.

	(Wed) Dec 16 10:46 JST(+0900) 1992  nemossan@uitec.ac.jp
	(NEMOTO Sakurao, Univ.Indust.Tech. Sagamihara 229 JAPAN)
	 (Tel: +81 427 63 9136 >DIALin<   Fax: +81 427 63 9011)
From: jas53886@ih-nxt01 (Jason Arthur Silcox)
Subject: Unsubscribe
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:41:57 GMT

Please unsubscribe me.

I accidentaly subscribed thinking I'd get more news than what was in this 
group, but was wrong.  Sorry.
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From: urcml+@pitt.edu (Mun L Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Implementing Minix, how?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:57:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: urcml@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

Hi everyone,

I bought AST's Minix book way back when it first came out. It is not the PC version and therein lies the problem. I am now thinking of trying out the program listing in the book and I wonder if after everything is entered(!), will the code work? I really dread shelling out more money for the same book but the PC-edition (indeed, is the PC-edition complete in itself? Then the question may become buying the PC-Edition or the diskettes), and I also will like to avoid spending money for the disks. Can someone 






tell me what is missing in the book and maybe where I can get that which is missing (hopefully on Internet). For instance, (1) the assembler looks different, (2) what compiler will I need, (3) can I start implementing Minix on a DOS machine? etc

Sorry if this has been asked before and if it is a silly and simple question but all help will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks,

MunLeong Chan
From: nemossan@uitec.ac.jp (Sakurao NEMOTO)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: more FDC_MAX_RETRY (was HELP, .. on Gateway 2000 486/33)
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:03:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. Industrial Tech., Sagamihara, JAPAN

In article <168C1E448.SESPC395@ysub.ysu.edu> SESPC395@ysub.ysu.edu (Max) writes:
>Hello, I am having a little dificulty booting on the Gateway2000 486/33.
>it doesn't even boot with the universal boot disk.  I am looking for a
>solution that will allow be to boot on the system.
> 
>The system also has a IDE hard drive, which I would like to access. If any one
>has source to modify the kernel that will allow this.


Recently I had a chance to install minix-1.5 on Gateway-2000/486dx2/50MHz,
and met troubles on FDD.


At first, I've tried to boot-up AT-boot from 3.5'-FDD, but after showing
menu, and responding my "="-pressing, the machine fell into sleep, light
on FDD in keeping ON.


Next, I've tried to boot-up minix-DEMO-disk, but it was the same, at first
BIOS-FDD works well, but FDDriver on Minix does not work, even 3.5"-FDD is
quite well under MS-DOS.


Fortunately, booting from 5'-FDD could, in my case, so I could install
minix through 5'-FDD.


Thus, I saw source-codes of kernel/floppy.c, there such codes have been
found;
------------------------------------------------
	const MAX_FDC_RETRY = 100;
		|
	retries := MAX_FDC_RETRY;
	while not ready do begin
	   DEC(retries);
	   if retries <= 0 then exit(IOerror);
	end;
	fdc_out(port,val);
	exit(NOerror);
------------------------------------------------

I thought waiting-time is too short for 486-machines, thus increased the
contents of MAX_FDC_RETRY upto 1000, then all the works can be done suc-
cesfully.

After that, I asked my net-friends in case of Linux and 386bsd, the former
uses 10000, and the latter 100000 for the waiting count.  So, I think
"100" is too small in case of 486-machines.


	(Sun) Dec 20 13:01 JST(+0900) 1992  nemossan@uitec.ac.jp
	(NEMOTO Sakurao, Univ.Indust.Tech. Sagamihara 229 JAPAN)
	 (Tel: +81 427 63 9136 >DIALin<   Fax: +81 427 63 9011)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow)
Subject: How compatible is MINIX with Sys5
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:48:30 GMT

I am going to be doing some C programming for school and we have to use
UNIX as our environment.  Does minix have all the standard libs that most
UNIX machines have such as stdlb.h string.h math.h stdio.h time.h etc..

am I being ignorant?  I hope not.  I just want to make sure I can use
MINIX to do my class work.

Thanks in advance
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From: Michael Mueller <MUELLER@binah.cc.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Wanted: C-sources for lharc v2.1
Originator: mmdf@louie.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:13:00 GMT

Hi *,

Does anyone know where I could find sources for the new version of lharc?
I have the sources for lharc v1.13, and I would like to upgrade to a more
recent version.

Thanks, Michael
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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: philip@cs.vu.nl (Philip Homburg)
Subject: Re: Is MINIX much better than LINUX?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.145211.23253@news.uakron.edu> x1gsd@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Gregory S Delozier) writes:
%In article <Bz76pu.AE0@cs.vu.nl> philip@cs.vu.nl (Philip Homburg) writes:
%>
%>For instance, I implemented a VM, TCP/IP, and ported X11R5, other people
%                                                      ^^^^^
%>contributed symbolic links, longer filenames (60 characters), 386 support,
%>387 support.
%
%Would you be willing to share some details on how this went, what flavor
%of minix, and was it necessary to implement VM & TCP/IP as precursors?

The minix I started with was PC Minix 1.5, later I upgraded to 1.6.11 
with 386 support from Bruce Evans, 1.6.16 (which I ran from December 1991
until a few weeks ago), and I am working on an upgrade to 1.6.24.

In general you can start with patching a 16 bit PC Minix version (if you have
an AT or above), when you think you know the system you can 
upgrade to 386 Minix (requires a 386 and above) and start writing code
which requires an MMU. Some (older) VM and TCP/IP implementations are still
available on ftp.cs.vu.nl:/pub/philip

Of course you need neither VM nor TCP/IP for X but...
- If you don't have VM you probably need 3 to 4M per (X related) process,
  so one X server, and 4 X clients will cost you between 15 and 20M of
  real memory, while it can also run on a machine with 4M and paging (about
  8M of disk space).
- In order to communicate with other Unix machine you need TCP/IP. it also
  makes debugging X easier since you can either run the X client or the X
  server on a Unix machine.
- X needs some interprocess communications system and a call like select.
  I decided to use TCP/IP and asynchronous I/O. The first X server under
  linux used Unix domain sockets and select (I believe).

%True no doubt, but some of us have more time for fun than others :-)

Yes, among others it cost me a number of holidays. If Linus can write
a complete unix, it should be 'easy' to extend an existing unix.
%


						Philip
From: Jonas_Svensson@augs.se (Jonas Svensson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Minix demo p HD ? (XT-type computer)
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:44:40 CET
Organization: Amiga User Group - Sweden

Is it possible to install the Minix-demo on a HD ?

I tried (as a first step) to make a bootable floppy by mkfs it using the
proto file described. However: the first line says "boot" and a comment
about it beeing ignored. Is boot something that is missing from the demo ?
The floppy I created did (of course) not boot, the computer did not
complain about it althoug. I believed it read the bootblock and then simply
freeze.

I've got an XT-type computer (8088 at 8MHz) with a 20 MB HD divided into a
16-MB DOS and 4 MB for MINIX. I have been able to mount the HD for use with
minix but I do not like to do that each and every time I boot minix.

Feel free to post or email, I do not care (but others might...)


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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: schoudhu@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Spandan Choudury)
Subject: system() calls from re-compiled minix
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:16:00 GMT

Can minix be modified to call (via system()) executables on the disk ?
(e.g. can, say, "who" be called from within the (recompiled) system..
without having to recourse to using/calling functions that are used
by the executable in question..?)

Please mail to save bw.
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: jas53886@dcl-nxt50 (Jason Arthur Silcox)
Subject: Re: HELP!! looking for upgrade kits
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:39:32 GMT

clark@rx.xerox.com (Andrew Clark) writes:

>HELP!!!

>I have been trying to upgrade from Minix 1.1. I have
>downloaded the two kits from bugs.nosc.mil which
>should allow me to get to 1.3, but the 1.2 - 1.3
>isn't quite complete (corrupt tar file).

>so I am currently at Minix 1.2


>I have found the following
>(I am using E-mail, not anon-ftp)

>on plains.nodak.edu
>sub-dir
>	/pub/Minix/updates
>	
>links named
>	pc1.2 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.2
>	pc1.3 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.3
>	pc1.5 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.5

>I have tried to retrieve these as files, but get 
>error messages about no such file.
>So, then I tried cd into them, but error messages
>are all I got back.

>Can anyone help?, either with how to access these
>or with the location of sutable upgrade kits.

>---
>Andy Clark
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I tried this and found that the directories are soft-links
(as stated in the file in the directory).  This means you
can't access these files from anonymous FTP.  You can however
use the Mail server that is described in the doc/Infosheet 
document in the Minix direcotry.
	I hope this helps, I'm new to this group
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From: hock@werple.apana.org.au (Warwick Hockley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: thanks
Date: 20 Dec 1992 16:25:06 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au
Summary: lost address
Keywords: darius

Would darius (he'll know who I mean), whose address I seem to have lost
somehow, please accept my thanks for posting rolodex.  It decompressed
and de-tar-ed OK, but I'll have to leave it til after Christmas to work
on.

Merry Christmas to all !

hock (hock@werple.apana.org.au  or  hock@zikzak.apana.org.au)
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Is MINIX much better than LINUX?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:39:03 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

philip@cs.vu.nl (Philip Homburg) writes:

>If your hardware doesn't run linux, linux simply isn't an option.

That's deep...

>Of course these features are also offered by the Unix that runs on the
>computers at your university, and mostlikely, the computers there are
>also faster and otherwise better equipped than your computer at home.
>(At least the computers at my university are).

More wise words...

>Now, if you only want to write programs using existing tools, you should
>look for Solaris 2.1 or SVR4 (maybe your university can get a site license,
>including machines at home), Linux or 386BSD (or BSDI), and finally
>Minix or Coherent.

>On the other hand, you are interrested in kernel hacking, Minix is a much
>better choice, since it is much smaller and easier to understand.

Well, I have looked in both the kernels and I think it is easier to find my
way in the Linux kernel than in the MINIX kernel.

>And
>most important, since it lacks all the features mentioned by Linus, you
>actually do something useful.

There is still a lot of useful things that can be done in Linux. E.g. a ufs.

>Philip Homburg 			   			<philip@cs.vu.nl>
>Vrije Universiteit / Dept. of Math. & Comp. Sci.	+31 20 5483546
>Amoeba project / De Boelelaan 1081A
>1081 HV Amsterdam / The Netherlands

You're biased of course...

Groetjes,
Peter Busser
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
From: clark@rx.xerox.com (Andrew Clark)
Subject: HELP!! looking for upgrade kits
Reply-To: clark@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox, Welwyn Garden City, UK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:12:26 GMT

HELP!!!

I have been trying to upgrade from Minix 1.1. I have
downloaded the two kits from bugs.nosc.mil which
should allow me to get to 1.3, but the 1.2 - 1.3
isn't quite complete (corrupt tar file).

so I am currently at Minix 1.2


I have found the following
(I am using E-mail, not anon-ftp)

on plains.nodak.edu
sub-dir
	/pub/Minix/updates
	
links named
	pc1.2 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.2
	pc1.3 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.3
	pc1.5 -> /src/mess/minix/updates/pc1.5

I have tried to retrieve these as files, but get 
error messages about no such file.
So, then I tried cd into them, but error messages
are all I got back.

Can anyone help?, either with how to access these
or with the location of sutable upgrade kits.

---
Andy Clark
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From: x1gsd@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Gregory S Delozier)
Subject: Re: Is MINIX much better than LINUX?
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:52:11 GMT

In article <Bz76pu.AE0@cs.vu.nl> philip@cs.vu.nl (Philip Homburg) writes:
>
>For instance, I implemented a VM, TCP/IP, and ported X11R5, other people
                                                      ^^^^^
>contributed symbolic links, longer filenames (60 characters), 386 support,
>387 support.

Would you be willing to share some details on how this went, what flavor
of minix, and was it necessary to implement VM & TCP/IP as precursors?

>
>Of course, the fun was in writing these (important) parts of an O.S.
>... 
True no doubt, but some of us have more time for fun than others :-)

>						Philip
>Philip Homburg 				<philip@cs.vu.nl>

Thanks,
Greg DeLozier
<delozier@mcs.kent.edu>
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Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: gcc, emacs, etc. binaries for Minix68k (MacMinix)
From: chanson@mtlookitthat.chi.il.us (Chris Hanson)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:40:53 CDT
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.1 (unregistered, shareware fee not paid)

Can someone PLEASE give me EXACT locations and filenames (since I must
use ftpmail) for the BINARIES to ANY version of the following packages:

  GNU C Compiler
  GNU emacs editor

I have the sources; I just can't take the time to compile them/tweak
them to run on Minix.  I am trying to get CMU's Mach to compile on
MacMinix (for a class), and so far I've got the entire source tree
loaded up.  But the Minix 1.5 C compiler has sizeof(int) !=
sizeof(char*), which Mach doesn't like, and doesn't support bitfields
(which Mach NEEDS as it uses my 68030's MMU).  Anyway, if anyone can
point me to these files or send them to me by mail, please say so.  I
really need this stuff!

TTFN, and thanx in advance,
Chris
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From: clark@rx.xerox.com (Andrew Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Upgrade hassels
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:58:38 GMT
Reply-To: clark@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox, Welwyn Garden City, UK

Okay, a question for all th Guru's out there.

I have just patched Minix 1.1 to Minix 1.2
That bit went without a hitch.

Now I am trying to compile the library libc.a,
all files in /minix/lib/*.c compile correctly, but 
I cannot order the library. I have tried just running
the 'run' shell script to compile and build the libc.a
but it doesn't seem to work, I have also tried to get
the library searched more than once (3 times), but the 
same references are unresolved.

The following are the three commonest 'unresolved
references'
	hol0
	.dsret
	.sret

Any ideas???
I have the 1.3 upgrade, and could use 'lorder'
(with a lot of work!!!)

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