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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Fishing line Poll
Keywords: Get your votes in
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.020449.17590@mlb.semi.harris.com> jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>How about everyone puting in their 2cents worth on fishing lines. Favorites
>for different applications would be good, but any bad experiences with lines
>may be more telling. Of special interest should be experiences with the new
>co-polimor low-stretch lines and the new ultra-thin lines. I will post my
>faves later.
>              Thanks for your interest,   J.P.
>
>
>
Salt Water: Spinning- Berkeley Trilene Big Game
            Deep Water Bait Casting- Any good dacron line

Fresh Water: Berkeley Trilene or Trilene XT



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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,alt.fishing
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Setting the hook?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.005543.9988@nevada.edu> funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN) writes:
>
> First, the setting:  Willow beach, Lake Mohave, Arizona.  Night fishing for
>stripers.
> 
>I have a 1/0 hook (I think, tackle box isn't handy to check), with half an
>anchovie hooked to it.  I get a bite, but when do I set the hook?  As soon
>as I feel the fish?  a second later?  Do I not set the hook at all?
> 
>I must've lost 5 fish because I can't figure out when to set the hook.
>Please help!
> 

Stripers will often hit a bait to stun it, then turn around and take it in
their mouth. If you feel a tap, give it a slack line. If a baitcaster, flip
it to freespool mode. Let him run with it. When he stops, take up the slack
and set the hook hard. Stripers have pretty hard mouths. Be sure your hooks
are needle sharp.

Jeff Achenbach
From: pic@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Graphics Archive Group)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: images of game fish
Keywords: images fish
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:00:30 GMT
Organization: DEC Westfields News System.


I'll be recycling some images of fresh water (warm) game fish that I've
taken from the alt.binaries boards over the past couple of years to
               alt.binaries.pictures.misc

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Steelhead Cost
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:06:17 GMT

In article <bYF=JR@engin.umich.edu>, Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
|> Dear Richard,
|> Could you please describe the exact location of this pool with 40+
|> Steelhead
|> contained therin.  You can send a personal post, I promise I won't tell
|> anyone
|> else this information :-)
|> Sincerely,
|> BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
|> Polish Fisherman

I hope you took my 40+ to mean 40 or more fish (not 40 lb fish). It is up here 
in Ontario about an hour's drive from Toronto. If you are ever this way, I'll
tell you exactly where it is plus other spots. 

It is not difficult to find 40 or more fish in a pool (especially in spring) here
in Ontario. However, this pool is unique because the bows have been sitting
here for a month. I landed a 10 female and a 3lb male and lost one last sunday.
Conditions were bad as water was gin clear. Friend was there a week ago and had
5 landed (plus many lost) during a rain (water was greener). I plan to be out
there again as rain is forcasted for friday, saturday !!!!  I was up on the
hill watching the fish several times amazied how many bows were in the pool.
Someone who was there asked me if I saw any fish, (my reply was obviously : No!).  
-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: dave@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Fishing in Nag's Head
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:51:11 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: IBM Federal Systems Company

Hi all,
  I'm heading to Nag's Head for a vacation 11/20 - 11/24 and was wondering if 
anyone could give me an update on the fishing?? I'll be limited to shore/pier 
fishing. If you have any advice (hot tips or whatever), please let me know.

  Thanks, dave.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips)
Subject: Re: Fishing near Fort Meyers/Naples
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:14:31 GMT
Reply-To: jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>What about fishing any of the lakes (from
>the shore) in the central part of the state from Orlando to Naples?

Try the many canals in south Florida. They have great Bassing and you
might be surprised when a Tarpon or Snook jumps on your line! And don't
forget to pick up a copy of Florida Sportsman magazine, the best 
outdoor magazine in the world ( if you do not believe, just read it ).

J.P.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: per@sparc1.mimer.se (Per Schroeder)
Subject: Re: More on Underwater Hockey
Organization: MIMER Software AB, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:24:05 GMT

Hi!
Can someone tell me more about Underwater Hockey?
How do you play it? What type of equipment do you need? Are there any
standardised rules for tournaments?
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From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: recommendations on dive computers and BCs sought
Keywords: dive computers, BCs, regulators
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:41:01 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA

In article <shblobk@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.202120.15769@walter.bellcore.com> andre@broccoli.bae.bellcore.com (Andre Cosma) writes:
>>
>
>The EIT/Orca Delphi takes standard 9V batteries, though Lithium
>batteries last a lot longer and are more consistent in cold water.
>
The Delphi has now been replaced by the Phoenix, which looks exactly like the
Delphi but supposedly has been totally redesigned. All the problems I've had
with my Delphi have been fixed. Some of these:

1) Batteries last longer. The Delphi ate lots of batteries, especially in
   cold water.
2) There is a sturdier battery clip now. Since you change batteries so ofter
   in the Delphi, the clips eventually got pretty flaky.
3) Faster response for the thermometer

I have had good luck with my Delphi (apparently others have not) - it's a great
design, with lots of features, very easy to read. I'll probably take advantage
of the Orca $259 upgrade to a Phoenix, but I'll wait a  while to hear some 
reports on the Phoenix.

Oh, yeah, it still takes standard 9V batteries.

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"Put the pillow over your head, scream and cry - the garbage is coming!"
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Any information about Cancun or Cozumel
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:32:44 GMT
Organization: BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK


In article <9211190742.AA26645@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
RFLNG@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU (Reef Fish      , Large Nassau Grouper) writes:
|> 
|> > Recreational Diver:     No decompression and no deeper than 40m/130'.
|> >                         Relaxing and enjoying the view, when the viz
|> >                         is more then 6 inches :-).
|> 
|> What, no enjoyment of macro views less than 6 inches?  :-)
|>

Just having a kick at myself for crashing into a sea urchin in
limited viz on holiday and bringing a few embedded bits home. :-(

Below is a note from Charles at the Computing Lab, Univ.
of Kent who unfortunately cannot post to the net.

----- begin -----

Subject: Re: Human bodies explode in vacuum?
In article <1992Nov18.152600.11804@gssec.bt.co.uk> you write:

>	Technical note: my associate beside me has just pointed out that
>	'facetious' has all the vowels and they are all in the correct
>	order - what a mine of information he is :-)

I'm afraid I haven't got access to posting on the net, so I can't post
this generally, but you may be interested to know that the only other
word in the English language to have this property is 'abstemious'.

Charles
-- 
From cpbs@ukc.ac.uk
The original name given to the butterfly was the "flutterby".
                                             --- Not many people know that!

----- end -----

Alan.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden)
Subject: Dive shops in NYC
Reply-To: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se
Organization: Plasma Physics, KTH, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:06:38 GMT

Could anyone please recommend some decent dive shops in New York City? I am
specifically looking for shops that carry Scubapro and SeaQuest equipment
(preferably metric stuff too).

Thanks in advance!



Odd Bolin
Department of Plasma Physics, Alfven Laboratory
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Ph: +46 - 8 - 790 7701	Fax: +46 - 8 - 245431
Internet: bolin@plasma.kth.se
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: zimmy@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael Zimmerman)
Subject: About those PADI "safety"(deco?) stops (grin)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:51:00 GMT

Just several days ago, someone mentioned that the PADI "safety stops" could be
viewed as mandatory "decompression" stops (gee, wouldnt that throw PADI into 
a tizzy)....

Lo and behold, I just got one of my PADI specialty C-cards in the mail, and
being the dutiful member :-) I thoroughly read the accompanying letter.  
I found...

"Be a S.A.F.E. Diver......... ALWAYS perform a three-minute safety stop at 
15 feet, particularly after deep or repetitive dives." (my emphasis)

While not trying to be a huge PADI-basher, I just thought I'd throw this 
supporting quote out for fun.  

Personally I think PADI as an organization has its belt on too tight 
(figuratively speaking) with respect to diving outside the realm of PADI
"recommended" diving, and just wish they would loosen it up one or 
two notches.  Then again maybe every morning when PADI gets out of bed
and gets dressed, PADI's lawyer puts on its' clothes. :-)  I just find
the attitude somewhat oppressive.
-- 
                                               zimmy@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
 Humpty Dumpty was pushed...                   PADI AOW/drift/deep
From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: dangerous misconception (was Re: Human bodies explode...)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:03:49 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


	Hmm... 300ft or so being uniformaly dangerous because of oxygen
becoming oxiduous / poisonous or what ever...

1) isn't the limit more close to the 11 to 12 atm/bar's than 10 as the
debth of 300 ft = 90 meters = 10 atm/bar's suggests...

2) about uniformality: Cousteau says in his biography something like
this " in my opinnion a sport diver can quite safely and freely dive up
to 90 meters with some experience though " and then he continues that 
the two of his friends claimed they could do "relatively light jobs at
100m" later I've red on numerous occaisons that different persons have
diven up to 130 meters, that's roughly 433 ft and stayed alive

- - -  ALL THIS ON AIR and considerably "normal" equipment - - -

(Cousteau & co. ofcourse used the "aqualung" bi-circulator konsept but
on air too... one of them died after signing a plate in 127m on air !)

so, all this suggets that the real limit of oxygen poisoning is closer
to the 12 atm than 10 or is there a certain physical law or clause that
suggests otherwice... but then again... the physicists can't figure out
why a chopper flies !!!

ps. what I've heard, in most cases the nitrogen starts to be a real
problem around 70m (233ftor so...) dunno abouty heavy drinkers though
;-)



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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: how much weight do I need
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:56:28 GMT


I just returned from a week in Bonaire; I was using
an Aluminum 80 and a skin.  The guy who did my open
water certification started me at 6 lbs, which we
upped to 8lbs until I got better at bouyancy control
at shallow depths with 600psi.  

I'm 6'3", 225lbs, not much fat, and sink like a rock
all by myself......


-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
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The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:09:38 -0500 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Human bodies explode in vacuum?

Excerpts from netnews.rec.scuba: 20-Nov-92 Re: Human bodies explode in..
by Karl Schutz@rand.ORG 
> > heavier than in 1 AT pressure. However, I haven't noticed this during
> > my dives to 50-60 m region. Maybe this is due to additional stress and 
> > poor judgement becouse of narcosis in water diving, compared 
> > to just sitting in the chamber in air.
>  
> Question: what's the difference between breathing air in a chamber
under press
> ure
> and breathing air (via scuba I assume :-) ) at an equivalent depth in water? 
> Your body absorbs nitrogen due to elevated partial pressures (Henry's Law).  
> Isn't pressure is pressure is pressure, whether water or air, or whatever, 
> induced?  So, nitrogen (I assume) narcosis should be an equivalent
problem in 
> a
> chamber ... yes/no?
>  
> Is there a doctor in the house?

I am not a doctor but...

The pp of NO2 would be the same in a chamber at an equivelent depth of
FSW and the actual FSW but 1. It is thought that CO2 is a factor in
narcosis and you could well be building up more CO2 while swimming
around than sitting still and 2. Depending on you you might notice
narcosis while in a hostile environment where having your head together
means survival vs while in a chamber where it's out of your hands,
anyway. 

Peter 
NAUI Inst. #1424
From: rj_sande@kiwi.uwe.ac.uk (Rob Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Sawtooth Profiles - Why not ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: rj_sande@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The University of the West of England (The Magic Roundabout)

I am still a bit puzzled about the physiological reason against
sawtooth profiles. I know that they encourage bubble formation, but
could some enlightened person out there give a clear summary of how
this occurs.

Also, can somebody explain _why_ nitrogen becomes narcotic at depth ?
(I am not a biologist/chemist, but like to think I have reasonable
mental faculties !)

Thanks

Rob

rj_sande@csd.uwe.ac.uk
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Sharks: Search and destroy???  (listen up!)
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:12:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: diver.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Nov20.181502.12947@netnews.whoi.edu> dremsen@mbl.edu (David Remsen) writes:
>
>I support any petition against this decision.

Nobody's offering a petition.  This is one of those things where you have to
"take pen in hand" (more likely sit down at your computer) and write a 
frigging letter.  One of the things I found fascinating about this whole 
process was reading about how the TV networks count opinions.  Of course, they
have the Nielson ratings, but if somebody calls up the network to voice an
opinion about the show, they count that as x viewers that think the same
thing but didn't go to the trouble to call.  Furthermore, if a person *writes
a letter* to the station, that counts as y phone callers - same rationale.
"x" and "y" (which I don't remember) are BIG numbers - like 50 and 100 
respectively.  So, if you write a letter to a company or governmental 
agency, they treat it like a BIG DEAL because very few people are willing
(or capable?) to write an intelligent opinion about something.  

Now, stop supporting petitions and write a letter.

         William Paty
         Director of Land and Natural Resources
         P.O. Box 621
         Honolulu, HI  96809
         Fax: 808-587-0390

For what it's worth, I've decided for myself that fax's count as much as 
letters that go through the snail mail.  The difference in cost (phone
charges - $.29) is small, it gets there faster, and I get a warm fuzzy
feeling that they actually got it.  It's also within my definition of 
reasonable civil protest to tie up their fax machine with tiger shark
complaints while they're trying to use it for other things.

Regards, Lee
From: 19922GTC@MSU (Georgia T. Chao)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: philippines
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:00:08 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Can anyone give me information about diving in the Philippines?  I plan to be i
n Manilla in late January.  I think I will not be able to get out to Cebu so I
may be confined to the island of Luzon.  Any help would be great. Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: Cayman in January
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.190113.5854@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>Does anyone know what the diving in Cayman is like in
>January?

The Caymans are nice in January, but are "in season" so rates will be
higher.  I would suggest diving with a company that will go North, East
and South if you have much diving experience.  The coral on most of the
West wall is really beaten up.  Expect to be treated like an idiot by
the divemasters (with reason - many divers there _are_ idiots) and
follow rigid profiles.  Many boats have primitive accomodations for
cameras, are very full and tend to go to sites on the West wall only, as
the other areas are farther and rougher.  Many divemasters at the "big
boys" are inexperienced (we had two that couldn't figure out where some
of the dive sites were).  Also, most of the dive operators do not allow
you to follow your computer, but only tables and with strict time/depth
limits.


-- 
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hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: carrie@wam.umd.edu (Carrie Lynn Leonard)
Subject: Re: Sharks: Search and destroy???
Summary: Shark reproduction/ecology 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:09:31 GMT

In article <18NOV199221412504@trentu.ca> pstonge@trentu.ca (CMDR P.D. Keener) writes:
>	G'day, I just read the recent postings regarding the state 
>sanctioned killing of sharks (Hawaii???) after the attacks (was it one or 
>two).  Can't say I'm terribly happy about it.

(stuff deleted)

>	On the other hand, what would the effects of a large scale tiger 
>shark kill be in that area, from an ecological point of view.  Clearly, 
>the population dynamics of that area would be affected - particularly if 
>this species of shark is a higher order carnivore.  The potential release 
>of predatory pressures on other organisms directly lower in the food chain 
>should be a matter of concern.  After all, what do these sharks normally 
>eat?  It follows that without these sharks, the population of these prey 
>items could skyrocket, outstripping the food available to them, causing 
>another peturbation.  And of the higher order carnivores (what eats these 
>sharks?).  Without the tiger shark as a prey item, what alternatives do 
>these other animals have?  We all know that natural systems have a great
>resiliancy for peturbations in population, but this only goes so far...  Is 
>that mandated agency able to guarantee that a threat exists after all other
>possible steps have been taken to segregate the swimmers and the sharks?  
>Has that agency performed an environmental impact assessment with the help 
>of marine ecologists to ascertain the hazards involved with such a course of
>action?  I'd really like to know...

As far as I know the only enemy of the tiger shark in Hawaii is man.  But that
is not the issue that I want to address.  The reproductive strategy of sharks
parallels that of humans.  They have a long gestation time, bear live, fully
developed young that take years to mature sexually.  They also have very few
young at a time.  A species like that cannot easily weather large scale kills
such as the one planned in Hawaii.  Compounding the problem is the search for   the large sharks - the ones that are sexually mature and continuing the popula-
tion.  It seems to me that the agency has *not* done any type of environmental
impact assessment.  A problem with messing with shark populations is that their
dynamics are not understood well, except for the fact that they are very sensi-
tive to overfishing.  I believe, once again, that when you enter the water
you take some risks, and it is not our right as human beings to go out there andtry to remove all the risks.

 
-------------------------------------------|--------------------------------
|   Carrie Leonard                         |                               |   
|   Marine-Estuarine-Environmental-Science |   Respect the Beach           |
|   University of Maryland                 |                               |
|   carrie@wam.umd.edu                     |                               |
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From: Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG (Karl Schutz)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Definition of "Recreational Diving"
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:15:02 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

In article <shc0abo@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
> 
> It should be pointed out that "Recreational Diving" is a term invented
> and propagated by PADI, and that its definition is "(optionally
> repetitive) no-decompression diving to less than 130fsw."  
> 
> [ ...stuff deleted... ]
> 
> It should also be pointed out that "safety stops" (3 minutes at 15fsw)
> are REQUIRED by most modern tables (including PADI's most recent
> editions of the RDP) after research dramatically proved that they
> reduce silent bubbling.  
>

A minor correction here; PADI does not REQUIRE a "safety stop" under the above
definition of "Recreational Diving."  PADI does, however, RECOMMEND a "safety
stop" any time a diver comes within 3 pressure groups of a no-decompression
limit, and for any dive to a depth of 100 ft or greater.

Safety stops do, however, become mandatory when a no-decompression limit is
exceeded; but, that is "Emergency Decompression" (PADI's definition) and that
violates the above definition of "Recreational Diving."   ...of course when you
add the human factor to screw up now and again, and qualify "no-decompression
diving" as "planned no-decompression diving," then, PADI does mandate safety
stops when one does not dive their plan (ie, emergency decompression).


-- 
Karl F. Schutz
PADI DM-50321