HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,sci.engr
Subject: MSEE Seeking Employment
Keywords: Cellular Engr.
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:43:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.Aug.19.15.43.33.1992.3697
Followup-To: alt.dcom.telecom
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 Hello everyone,

I am a recent MSEE/post-qualifying Ph.D. student at Rutgers University.
My specialization is in Mobile Communication Systems and Speech Processing
Applications. 

If you or someone you know is looking to hire, please contact me for
further info and resume.

Thanks,

Shahin Hatamian
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: ben@agora.uucp (Ben Tucker)
Subject: Re: Ringmaster Switch? (ie Distinctive Ringing)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:18:25 GMT

Try these people:

Command Communications: 303-751-7000 / 800-288-3491
  they make at least 5 fax switches, and at least 1 ring decipher unit.

  we have the asap tf555 fax switch, which routes to fax, modem (when
  reverse tones), the phone port, the ansering machine port, or the aux
  port.  you can force routing by tone dialing.  it's cool.

GIS subsystems:  510-743-0152
  Fax switch.  No other info.

ben tucker -- ben@agora.rain.com -- (503) 236-5138 H - (503) 777-3361 W
From: stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: endless loop consumer tape product
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:34:59 GMT
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA

In article <1992Aug13.061444.25069@eskimo.celestial.com> stevemc@eskimo.celestial.com (Steve McCallister) writes:
>
>Our small office has a telephone system with a line input for 
>"music on hold".  What we'd like to do is have this dedicated
>to a recording -- one minute or so -- of basic information 
>about the business (i.e. hours we're open, other phone numbers
>for contacting us, etc.)
>Offhand, can someone think of an off-the-shelf consumer format
>which would allow us to continuously substitute such a message
>into the line input.  

Get a regular tape player, then go to Radio Shack or other suitable store
and get a 60 second "outgoing message" cassette for an answering machine.
They are standard cassettes, but are in a continuous loop.  There is a foil
splice so an answering machine knows where the beginning is, but if put
into a regular cassette player, it will play it forever.  

Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
From: slee@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott S Lee)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:50:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Consider MU*
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc

/ hpdmd48:alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc / frankc@netcom.com (Frank Crowell) / 10:47 am  Aug  6, 1992 /
I would hope that someone will consider MU* as a valid study area
within the charter of this group.  MU* are multi-user
environments (aka MUDs); there are many flavors: MUSH. MUCK, MUSE, MOO..
I have seen very little discussion in sci.virtual-worlds on this
subject and yet there are hundreds of them. Some of us have even
setup an all-programmers MU* Institute with the intention of using it
as a laboratory for MU*-based experimentations.

Oh, yes.  In a another posting, I have suggested that UU add a MU*
campus.

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From: lehman@george.arc.nasa.gov (John Lehman -- GDP)
Subject: Re: problem with alt.uu.* groups?
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:23:15 GMT

 >> 
 >> Look, if you want Usenet University to get going then please say so
 >> by POSTING to alt.uu.future.
 >> 

Ok, I'm posting.  alt.uu.future is one of the 8 newsgroups that
I read regularly.  I'm already taking a net course too.  The
subject is "navigating the internet".  I find it hard to
believe that I were one of the 3 people earlier mentioned
as actively interested in the net university, therefore
count us as at least 4.  Also there are hundreds more of
us over in the "navigating the internet" course, which
is being taught in the manner of a network university.

There was a math course being taught here a few weeks
ago, which looked pretty good; however that's not
the topic I'm after.  I need courses on using Unix
utilities; a few months ago I got help on the net
by posting to comp.software-eng, but I was looking
for newsgroups specifically about RCS and make, and
then imake.  In the future I could post a beginner's
tutorial, just one or two lessons, on imake, if there
is sufficient interest.  

There was also a lot of talk -- I'm pretty sure it
was in this exact group, alt.uu.future, about Esperanto.
I think Esperanto is right on but I'm constrained, so far,
to doing work assignments only, on the net, and my
bosses haven't asked me to study Esperanto.  They _have_
asked me -- in effect -- to study Unix utilities such
as RCS and make; so that is what I will study.  Please
start posting idiot's guides or beginner's lessons
on such Unix utilities, and we can begin from there.
Start dumb and catch an audience who needs the help;
and we can build up from there.

The only reason I am not writing 10 times this much,
to newsgroups like this one, is that I have to
justify my time as working on assignments from my
bosses.  If you'll teach what I need to know for
my job, I'll read it (as I'm already reading the
"navigating the internet" lessons); and, if you'll
show some interest in the same topics that I've
already been learning about (such as imake, etc.)
then I'll post what I know.

I didn't think I would have time for this today
but I'm in the middle of a long build, so that's
where I got the time.  I'll tune in every few days, 
anyway.

About the scarf, utopia, self-awarded credits, etc., which
were mentioned earlier (in someone else's message):  
I've had the same experience,
where I put out an idea (not on the net but elsewhere)
and others will discard it as it has not already been
proven in practice.  Most people just aren't interested in ideas.
(Take _that_!)  Maybe we just have to speak a hundred
times to find one listener; and it should get better
as we find each other.  I'm not particularly interested
in scarfs and so on but your recent explanation does
make sense.

My build must be either over by now, or have failed
somewhere, so I'll have to chop this off and get
back into my primary work assignment.  Ciao.

lehman@ames.arc.nasa.gov
From: multics@acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
Subject: Space availible for archives
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:31:35 GMT
Organization: The Voice of Fate

I'm interested in supporting usenet university.  I have an email file server
and I am willing to place articles, course material, etc in the server.

The only thing I require is sufficient information to determine where
an article should go, so I can setup the appropriate subdirectories.

If you have any questions or wish to submit material, please contact
me at server-admin@hermes.acm.rpi.edu.  Plese do NOT reply to this
posting, the server is on a different machine and the server-admin
address will get to me quicker.
-- 
Richard Shetron  multics%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu  multics@hermes.acm.rpi.edu
What is the Meaning of Life?      There is no meaning,
It's just a consequence of complex carbon based chemistry; don't worry about it
The Super 76, "Free Aspirin and Tender Sympathy", Las Vegas Strip.
Newsgroups: alt.uu.announce
From: multics@acm.rpi.edu (Multics)
Subject: email server space availible
Followup-To: alt.uu.future
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:43:25 GMT

I'm running an email file server for a couple story groups.  I can easily
add a Usenet University (or whatever the name ends up being) section.
I'm interested in supporting the concept and am willing to donate an
initiali 20MB of space.

I am very short of free time these days so I do not have time to read
all the alt.uu groups and try to decide what should or should not be
saved.

I expect that articles on policy, procedures, admin, course material, etc.
would be most useful if placed in an archive.

If you feel this would be useful, please either followup this article
or send me email at server-admin@hermes.acm.rpi.edu.

The server uses standard unix paths for locating things.   I will require
that every article sent to me for inclusion include the path for its
storage, ie uu/admin/policy class-requirements.  class-requirements
is the actual filename of the item and uu/admin/policy is the path to
the directory containing it.

The software is a very modified version of Brian Reid's decwrl package.
-- 
Richard Shetron  multics%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu  multics@hermes.acm.rpi.edu
What is the Meaning of Life?      There is no meaning,
It's just a consequence of complex carbon based chemistry; don't worry about it
The Super 76, "Free Aspirin and Tender Sympathy", Las Vegas Strip.
Newsgroups: alt.uu.tools
From: lagemaat@cs.utwente.nl (Jeroen van de Lagemaat)
Subject: On request: what are "formal methods"
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:16:50 GMT

Using my own definition, a formal method is a language with well
defined syntax and semantics. I.e. a specification is either correct or wrong
w.r.t. the language used and the meaning of this specification is unique, 
however, two specifications may be different in syntax, but still mean 
the same.

Generally, the syntax is given in BNF. The semantics are given as a meaning
of language elements and contructs in terms of a formal model, such as
process algebra.


-- 
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|  \___/          |         
|___     __   ___ | University of Twente     
| |  |  /  \ (__  | Tele-Informatics & Open Systems
| |__|__\__/____) | P.O. Box 217  NL-7500 AE Enschede  The Netherlands
|_________________| tel. +31 53 893684              tfx. +31 53 333815

                    Humour, you're making me laugh.
                                    - Herman Finkers, Dutch comedian -

Newsgroups: alt.uu.tools
From: lagemaat@cs.utwente.nl (Jeroen van de Lagemaat)
Subject: LOTOS tools
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:59:17 GMT

Dear all,

At the moment it seems that a lot of people are interested in getting
a grasp of what formal methods are about.

As a result of the ESPRIT 2304 project Lotosphere the following information
is available:
- a LOTOS based methodology for the design of complex hard/software systems
- Tools to support Lotos
- Experience from industrial partners in applying the above to both
  ISDN and OSI system design

In Sept 1992 (14-16) a workshop will take place in Pisa where results 
are presented.


The results are otherwise available in the form of:
- several european companies and universities which can introduce you
  to LOTOS, the method, tools in the form of cooperation, consultancy
  and courses (e.g. on LOTOS what, how, why, tools, introduction in
    excisting development environment etc).
- Several contributions to conferences, such as Forte 92, PSTV 92,
  RACE Telecommunications Software Engineering Symposium 92, FME 93.
- Tools: these are available both "as is" or "maintained" from several
  companies and universities.


Anyone interested in the above can contact me. I will provide you with 
the information you require and/or with the coordinates of relevant people.



-- 
    ___
 __/   \__________  Jeroen van de Lagemaat    <lagemaat@cs.utwente.nl>
|  \___/          |         
|___     __   ___ | University of Twente     
| |  |  /  \ (__  | Tele-Informatics & Open Systems
| |__|__\__/____) | P.O. Box 217  NL-7500 AE Enschede  The Netherlands
|_________________| tel. +31 53 893684              tfx. +31 53 333815

                    Humour, you're making me laugh.
                                    - Herman Finkers, Dutch comedian -

Newsgroups: alt.uu.comp.misc,alt.uu.tools
From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Relkie
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:10:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

A number of people have pointed out that Relkie is being manipulative.
But what I don't think people are recognizing is that Relkie is only
16 and has just been through an experience that would tend to make her
act even younger.  "Manipulative" is an awfully adult word to apply to
someone who is really just a little kid.  I know before this all happened
she sounded pretty mature for her age.  But think about the circumstances:
She thought someone she liked and trusted was going to rescue her.  But
first she wound up having sex, which is something that hasn't happened
to her since she was abused as a child.  Then she wound up homeless and
broke, unable to find a job, unable even to get a government agency to
help her.  Sleeping in a homeless shelter by night, wandering around
hopeless and desparate during the day trying to find a way out of the
mess she found herself in.  Finally going back to the mother that she
had just accused of being abusive and asking to be taken back (as far
as I know, her mother has received absolutly no support in dealing
with this situation - put yourselves in *her* shoes for a minute!).

And you wonder why Relkie might not be acting like a calm, rational,
emotionally healthy adult?  Come on!  She can't even start therapy
until the end of September, because of a lot of bureaucratic red
tape.  I can certainly understand someone not having the strength to
deal with her issues - I felt drained and exhausted by it at times
myself.  It was incredibly frustrating not to be able to help her,
for one thing.  But please don't flame her for being manipulative -
children are by their very nature manipulative.  They have to be, 
they're utterly powerless.  And Relkie has discovered just how
powerless she really is right now.  Please, people, just cut her
some slack.
-- 
Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
1803 Mission Street, #339          
Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
(408) 479-4072  (voice mail)
From: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Tools for dealing with asar/life
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:01:27 GMT
Reply-To: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov
Organization: Unisys/EPA

Something I've been made aware of is an interesting note about 
"feeling manipulated" or "feeling abandoned" -- I've been working
on identifying for myself the following:

There is a combination of feelings that I sometimes have that tells
me that I am being manipulated.  What are those feelings?  What is
the earliest time in my life that I can remember feeling that way?
What is it about the current situation that is triggering these feelings
in me now?

And then sometimes now I'm going on to another step with it and asking:
How would I like to feel from this experience?  What is it that I would need
in order to feel that feeling?  What would I like to be able to think about 
this experience?  What would I need in order to interpret things that way?

The key to  this for me is that really what seems to be going on is that I have some
set of feelings that I then use to interpret the situation as meaning that
the other person(s) involved are doing something manipulative.    The
same dynamic holds for abandonment.  Being abandoned is an action
or a doing -- feeling alone or sad or angry at being left alone, or despair
or vulnerable, or whatever I feel when I'm left alone -- those are the feelings.  

A guide I use to look at the words I am using when I say "I feel ...."
is to see if the word ends in "ed" -- often times those words are
not true "feeling" words -- they are interpretations or assignment
of meaning to the underlying feeling experience that I'm having.
There are some "ed" words that I still use as feeling words -- but
for example -- for a long time I held to the idea that "frustrated" 
is a true feeling word -- I'm now in a place where I will try to 
use "I'm feeling angry about being frustrated in my attempts to ...." --
to me it is more of an angry feeling, so I'm trying to say it that way.

I have a couple of (long) lists of "feeling" words -- I continue to work
on my vocabulary for feeling experiences -- I'll be glad to provide copies
or post to the group if you're interested.  These lists are ones that I
was given by friends and I have certainly not tried to edit them
to be consistent with my beliefs about how appropriate the words are
for describing feelings.  I offer them only as interesting input to 
exploring the wide range of feelings we are capable of.
----

Bob Boyd
In The Here & Now
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Possibly Relevent Insight, and Comments on Pat Buchanan's Speech
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:37:52 GMT

Mike Reyko (?) had a column on another piece of that -- the attack on
Hillary Clinton's position that childhood == slavery.

In fact, her legal argument was that there are situations where the
rights of one person are assumed by another, two examples being children
(their parents guard the child's rights) and slavery (historical, not
really applicable).

Reyko proceeded to trash the Republican's stance by detailing the "families"
the Republicans are trying to protect... like the children ordered to 
be returned to the natural mother who permitted her boyfriend to rape
the daughter and beat up another.

Perhaps REPUBLICAN children are spoiled brats that threaten to sue Mother
and Father if they aren't given a Porsche for their 16th birthday, but
the Republicans seem incapable of comprehending (or indifferent!) to the
fact that many "families" severely abuse their children.

As Mike Reyko pointed out (in part):  Republicans:  pro-Life, pro-capital
punishment, pro-child abuse.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
From: sandro@asylum.UUCP (Sandro Wallach)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: Possibly Relevent Insight, and Comments on Pat Buchanan's Speech
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:45:15 GMT

Laurie Mann writes:
>To go from local politics to national politics, did Pat
>Buchanan turn anyone else's stomach with his condemntaion
>of children suing parents?  While this may be an act of
>spite in a few cases, I think most legal action by children
>against their parents have their roots in abuse.  And for
>the Republicans to cheer this condemnation is a sick act
>indeed.

Indeed.  I read one columnist's essay (in Monday's SF Chronicle) which
argued that the Republican party was, in many ways, becoming a party
which officially supports child abuse.  I hope this notion is more
fully aired, because it seems important.  (I am NOT accusing
republicans of supporting child abuse, just saying that I read a
column which suggested some republican policies tend to furthur
abusive situations.)

Hmmm.   I think I'll be more agressive about this:

I've heard of lot of people in the national media say that families
must be protected for the good of the children.  The truth is, a great
many families are destroying their own children -- strengthening the
families will hurt more than help.  A much better solution is to
empower the children, but that idea scares every parent motivated by
less than love, which I'd guess is a majority of the voters and a vast
majority of the politicians.  Alas.

	-- sandro   (sandro@ELF.com)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: sallyb@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Sally Bowley)
Subject: Re: The Anonymous Service: This Waiter Has A Fake Accent
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:21:04 GMT

In article <17AUG92.18301786@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov wrote:
>> 
>>Sally, you're really something.  First you lay a guilt trip on her for
>>appearing manipulative, then when she feels guilty and communicates this, you
>>do it again.  Just fucking amazing.  And pretty manipulative of you.  So tell 
>>me, how could Relkie respond that *wouldn;t* make you feel manipulated?
>
>I've been away awhile, just monitoring the group a little bit.  I can't
>stay out of this anymore.  
>
>I share many of the sentiments Sally has expressed.
>Relkie's "I won't bother you anymore" was nothing more than a manipulative
>whine.  If she was truly interested in understanding what has been said,
>or feels that these statements were unfair, she could either engage in
>a conversation about why people think this of her or to defend herself.
>Saying that just because she does not get her way she will leave simply 
>*is* manipulative.  She did exactly what she did before.  She wants every
>one to now chime in that we all want her to stay.  It's just a way to get
>attention and possibly some short-term self-esteem.  Real self-esteem
>doesn't come that way.

thank you sim, for expressing this more articulately than i was able.
sally

>
>       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
>"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
>prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
>Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold


Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: This group.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:43:27 GMT

Teresa Kline (aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:

: If some people in this group feel threatened by what is going on, it is 
: their prerogative, and perhaps the best thing for them at this time, to 
: cease communication in asar.  That *may* be what is best for *them*.  I've 
: certainly curtailed my posting.

The problem comes in when some says, in effect, "what you said is making me
not post."  That's blatantly manipulative.  If I can't post because of what
you said, is that your problem ... or mine?

: A little over-simplified, I think.  *All* of us need contact with other 
: humans...that's been proven over and over.  But each of us must decide what 
: is appropriate contact for ourselves.

Ah ... but how are others to know what is appropriate contact unless someone
*says* something?  I, for one, am not a mind-reader.  I suspect that there
are few out there that are.  As for the argument "well, there are some things
that are always inappropriate" I would answer that I've never seen a group
that could agree on such standards, except in the broadest of terms ... like
"don't have sex with kids".  But is it OK to hug a child?  Welllll....maybe,
maybe not.  I hate to make this out to be an exercise in ethical relativism,
but that's what it somes down to.

: For some the current topic is difficult.  Let's face it.  For the women out 
: there, how many got mad at the comments you read in the paper and heard in 
: the workplace about the Smith and Tyson trials.  I know *I* heard a lot of 
: people blaming the women.  It's a button of mine.  And I've never met those 
: women, never talked to them.  

Hell, *I* even got mad ... and I'm not a woman.

: I'm not saying whether she was abused, but she feels that she was.  That's 
: good enough to do damage to her.  

Of course!  Agreed ... but it becomes a different story when it becomes either
a public matter (like it is here) or a legal one.

: For some of us, curling up in a corner is the only defense right now.  What 
: is it that you think we should be learning.  There is a difference between 
: conflict (ie a difference of opinion) and rape (which is what Relkie feels 
: happened to her).  And I don't know what anyone learns by watching or 
: experiencing a rape.

God ... what a horrifying thought :(
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery