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From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE GERMAN UNIVERSITIES LIKE?
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:03:11 GMT

In <1g81jnEINN15j@uni-erlangen.de> pikoehn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Philipp Koehn) writes:

>ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah D. Smith) writes:

>>In article <ndasmith-031292223041@mac214.acns.nwu.edu>,
>>ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah D. Smith) wrote:

[stuff deleted]

>>> What are your student governments like?
>There is nearly no such thing. Only few students are allowed to take
>part in the relevant councils, which are only concerned with 
>university topics. There is in fact a student goverment, but it has
>no rights.

This depends on where in Germany you are studying. The rights of student
governments are very few in Bayern and Baden-Wuerttemberg (the reason of
which stems from the seventies, where the politicians forbade political
work of student government in these two states) but not in the rest of
the old BRD (I am not aware of the situation in the Ex-DDR, though).

Cornelius.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: gerrys@ecs.comm.mot.com (Gerry Saqueton)
Subject: Re: Cordless?
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:58:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.154930.24675@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> 
> 
> I do not normally read this group so if this has been covered apologies.
>  
> Will a cordless phone bought in the US work in Germany.
> Nuremburg area if it makes a difference.
>  
> Many many thanks. Christmas gift dont'cha know.
>  
> ================================================================================
>  Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
>                                  doh#0000000005
> ================================================================================
> 
> 
I hope these concerns are not too general but you may want to think about:

1) AC supply in Germany vs. US.  I don't think Germany operates at 110Vac at 
60Hz and I don't think their  AC plugs are the same (although it is easy to 
get around this.

2) Most cordless phones in the US (except the new phones at 900MHz) operate at
46/49MHz.  Check what this frequency range is allocated for in Germany and if 
you can operate in this range.

3) Is the RJ11 standard the same between the U.S. and Germany?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ulrich@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Ulrich Neumerkel)
Subject: Re: Dialekt / Re: wienerisch dama redn
Reply-To: ulrich@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien, Institut fuer Computersprachen
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.172418.14295@siemens.co.at>, howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Wolfgang Howdii Howurek) writes:
|> Sprachvergleich: 
|> Folgende drei Tiere: Dachs, Marder und Iltis; wie heisst das 
|> a) im Waldviertel?  Dox, Moda und Oedeis
|> b) im Weinviertel?  Dox, Moda und Eutas
   c) in Wean?         Dox, Moada und Uetis   (il -> ue) wie (ell -> oe)

Owa Haudee, des sand ollas Rozn! (rats)

|> Barbara! Was hast Du gemeint, Abfall (=Mist) oder Apferl (=kleiner Apfel)?

Abfall -> Obfoi, Apferl -> Obfal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Wolfgang Howdii Howurek)
Subject: Dialekt / Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:27:58 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
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Abfall heisst im Weinviertler Dialekt "Muid" oder auch "Muara".
Diese beiden Ausdruecke sind mir zumindest gelaeufig.

Howdii. (Weinviertler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ruediger@leland.Stanford.EDU (ruediger dung)
Subject: Re:Deutsche in den USA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:22:10 GMT


In article <1992Dec9.121255.2333@dct.ac.uk>,
richard writes:

>In article <1992Dec8.032046.14893@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
>ruediger@leland.Stanford.EDU (ruediger dung) writes:
> Hallo liebe LeserInnen,
> ich habe zwei Fragen, die ich gerne zur Disposition
> stellen moechte:
> 

     [Zeilen geloescht]

>    Ich persoenlich finde das Schlangestehen in Geschaeften
>    oder vor dem Kino im Vergleich zum Gerangel in Deutschland
>    sehr angenehm, kann mich aber nicht damit anfreunden, dass die
>    Amerikaner sich ungern mit Fremden an einen Tisch setzen, weshalb
>    man in Restaurants auch zum Tisch gefuehrt wird. Dieses Verhalten
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
     kenne ich eigentlich nur aus der alten DDR-Zeit oder von teuren
>    Restaurants in Deutschland. 


>Abgesehen davon, dass ich "Sitte" dem Wort "Verhalten" vorziehen wuerde
>(Du beobachtest ja keine Tiere...), kann ich sagen, dass Schlange-
>stehen und "waiting to be seated" auch hier in Grossbritannien durch-
>aus ueblich sind.

>Richard

Hallo Richard,
auch wenn ich zugeben muss, dass das Wort "Verhalten" sich 
merkwuerdig anhoert, so ist es durchaus ueblich, dieses Wort
auch fuer menschliche "Verhaltens"weisen
zu benutzen und es ist keineswegs negativ gemeint. Dein Vergleich
a la Konrad lorenz hinkt etwas.
Interessant sind eher deine Bemerkungen zu GB. Zwar kenne ich die
dortige "Sitte" des Schlangestehens, habe  aber waehrend meinen 
Aufenthalten in GB nie das "waiting to be seated" gesehen.
Viele Gruesse,
Ruediger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: rembold@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Bernhard F Rembold)
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:22:38 GMT

Volkmar Koch (masc0100@rohan.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu) wrote:
> The next lines don't represent my opinion, I have posted it for a friend,
> so don't blame me!!
> 
> Liebe Freunde der Deutschen Sprache!
> Ich bin erschreckt darueber, dass ich in der deutschen newsgroup wienerische
> Auswuechse der deutschen Sprache lesen muss.
>                                         ^^^^
> Ich sehe zwar ein, dass Ihr Euch irgendwo austoben muesst, da Ihr es  
> es bisher nicht zu einer eigenen newsgroup gebracht hat, aber warum dann 
> gerade in der deutschen newsgroup?
>

Jetzt muss i au amol mein Senf dazu gebbe. Lieber Volkmar, machs nummal
halblang, es dud ja net jeder 'Hochdeitsch' schwetze. D'Mundart g'hert
nummal au zur deitsche Kuldur und hat's scho lang vorher gebbe, wie des
was ma do hanne Hochdeitsch nennt. D'leit solle stolz druff sei wie se 
schwetze un au a bissle Lokalpatriotismus betreibe. I find des au
aldiweil interessant wie d'annere Leit wie de Haudii schwetze. Ma koh 
so au no prima geggeseitig uebereinanner leschtere.

Alla jetz muss i do no was schaffe gehe,

-- Bernhard
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From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: You've been to the Canaries??
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:49:36 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University


 Hi i'm interestes in knowing if a lot of you guys go/have gone to
 the Canary Islands?
 
 Did you like it?
 
 Is the system being improved?  (Hotels, services , etc.)
 
 How do you get along with the local people?
 
 thanks
 
 "I need a hammer, a hammer, to hammer them down" (B.Marley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Subject: Re: Information for trip to Germany...
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:26:06 GMT

fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

>rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen) writes:
>
>>Autobahn-Raststaetten are for people who desperately need fuel, food,
>>coffee, etc.
>
>I thought it was for people who travel along the road and don't want to get 
>off at a strange city and not find their way to anywhere just to get a quick 
>pick-me-up.
>
>
>> That's why the prices are that high. If you live in a city,
>>you rather go to a cafe than driving to the next Autobahn.
>
>Obviously. But I was speaking specifically about the Autobahn.

(...)

The prices in restaurants and petrol stations along the autobahn are that high
because the shop owners can get away with it. Most of the customers are in a
hurry and don't have the time and knowledge to search for an off road
restaurant.

Since the customers have practically no choice where to eat, the owners press
as much money out of them as they can get. The customer won't come back anyway.

It's the same thing with food sold inside trains: as you have no choice where
to buy, the prices are outrageous.

>W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
>26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
>Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
>609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   



Wolfgang


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From: deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gregory H Deatz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: This has gone far too far!!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:17:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


When I first started reading this newsgroup, I got the impression that
we were all just trying to discuss Germany's difficulties with
xenophobia and plain racism.

NOT.

What I have seen is a bunch of people insulting each other, telling
each other who is more racist, whose father can beat up whose father,
etc...

Can we JUST discuss the problem here? I know there are many people who
are very passionate about their feelings on the issue, but if you
don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say it.

This isn't an issue of who is right and who is wrong anymore; it's
just an issue of common decency. If I say something regarding my
opinion, don't harass me with obscenities and insults--Tell me why,
and try to be nice. I don't read this newsgroup to be badgered by
thought bullies who think their own opinions are more important than
my own.

By the way, DON'T e-mail if you have something to say to me about this
letter. Just post it to the board and I will read it. Hopefully you
won't attack me for having spoken my mind. (It seems that that is all
that ever happens).

Order, order, order in the court!!!! We can't accomplish anything, or
have any meaningful conversations if we consistently insult each
other.
-- 
Gregory Deatz (All e-mail forwarded to deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu)
bitnet account: deatz@cancer

RPO 5586 PO Box 5063 New Brunswick, NJ 08903-5063
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de
Subject: Re: American Press is anti-German!
Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.163742.19457@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
 
>
>On the AP wire this morning, I noticed a story mentioning that German
>leaders were proposing a tightening of the country's asylum laws IN
>RESPONSE TO ANTI-FOREIGNER DEMONSTRATIONS.  Only at the very end of the
>story was yesterday's anti-prejudice demonstration in Muenchen
>mentioned.  This was completely dropped from the shorter version of the
>story.  It seems like AP doesn't like to say good things about Germany,
>e.g. that it has one of Europe's most liberal asylum policies.  I
>haven't checked today's New York Times yet to see what they have to say
>about yesterday's demostration.  It wouldn't surprise me if they said
>nothing.
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger
>email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
>"'Ersatz' does NOT mean 'artificial'!"
Without doubt Ted makes an important point here. With some things I hear
about New York Times comments on Germany on TV, it reminds me of
"voelkischer Beobachter".
This means that sometimes I see opinion-making as the paramount function
of such leading articles instead of information.
The fact is that it is not at all helpful to those trying to do their best
to keep radicalism small in Germany, if it gets so much focus by the world
press. I don't mean to close my eyes on anything, but sometimes I wonder
if press coverage couldn't be as decisive in proportion (!) concerning the
Serbia-Hercegovina-war. Let's make a point: This is GENOCIDE there,
and as appaled as I am by and engaged as I am personally against neo-nazism
I find it bemusing that the world keeps watching and watching without doing
anything there. Sometimes I wonder whether people don't see the real dangers
of a new world war evolving from the southeast. Europe and Germany need the
World's help. What we can do well without is the New York Times educating
"their neighbours' children" and sophisticated comments.
Sorry for being so blunt, but it seems time to say that I - as a German -
am proud of Munich's crowds against radicalism, and I feel no reason to be
ashamed, after all, it's something I am proud of... just as US-citizens
do love their country-with all its mistakes.
Markus Schlegel ups500@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Hilfe beim Uebersetzen
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:53:56 GMT

dieter@ficus.auspex.com (Dieter Rothmeier) writes:

>Da ich mein Studium in den USA machte, weiss ich viele technische
>Fachausdruecke nur auf Englisch. Was, zum Beispiel, ist 'high energy'
>genau auf deutsch. Der Kontext (ist das ein deutsches Wort?) ist ein
>warning label: 
>Caution, High Energy, Hazard Present.
>Mein Versuch ist
>Vorsicht, Hochenergie, Gefahr

Fast. Meistens steht da:
Vorsicht, Hochspannung, Lebensgefahr !

Ciao,
  Christian

-- 
"'Menschen?' Diederich rollte die Augen 'Der innere Feind sind sie!'"
- aus Heinrich Manns "Der Untertan"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: sanio@netmbx.netmbx.de (Erhard Sanio)
Subject: Re: ASYLBEWERBER TATSACHEN
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:18:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.150649.25464@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier) writes:
>Sorry, but I will write it down in German since I do not know the right
>technical terms in English.
>
>In article <1992Dec17.142053.27233@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> y41@aix320c.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jeffrey Hazelwood) writes:
>>[...]
>>[aus der polizeilichen Kriminalstatistik von Baden Wuerttemberg]

>>Criminal Statistics per 100,000 
>>-------------------------------

>>                     Deutschen  Auslaender     Asylbewerber
>>SEXUAL STRAFTATEN       21         72             224
>>RAUB                    16         88             350
>>RAUSCHGIFT             101        298             528
>>DIEBSTAHL              537       2,186           14,524

>Manchmal frage ich mich, ob die Veroeffentlichung derart verzerrter
>Statistiken nicht schon unter den Straftatbestand der Volksverhetzung
>faellt.
>Wie oben gesagt handelt es sich um die polizeiliche Kriminalstatistik.
>Diese gibt lediglich die Zahl der Tatverdaechtigen an, nicht jedoch
..
I agree to virtually all of Joern`s comments, just an add-on:
The so called statistics, which Joern correctly classifies as close
to criminal slander and incitement of hatred, presents per 100,000
figures for three groups of which the totals (1991) in Baden-Wuerttemberg
were:

Germans :     10 million ca.
Foreigners:   900,000    ca.
Asylum seekers:40,000    ca.

The figures above have to be multiplied by 100, 9 or 0.4 in order to
get the totals. It is common knowledge in statistics that you must not
draw any conclusion out of comparisons of samples differing by a magnitude
or more unless you can prove the homogenity of the samples compared.
Obtaining per 100k-values from a total less than 100k is utterly outrageous.

The person who assembled those figures deserves to be fired immediately
if not arrested.


>>[...]

>* Joern Baier     (baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de) __o   *

regards, es
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: American Press is anti-German!
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:30:50 GMT

In article <1g0k3gINN4fg@west.West.Sun.COM> markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM writes:
>Taking one article on AP and using it to decide that the American Press
>is anti-german is alot like taking two skin-heads and deciding that
>Germans like to kill foreigners.  
>
>The Los Angeles Times gave front page coverage to the Muenchen demonstrations.
I started to have same feeling when I read an editorial article on Boston
Globe. The article was about Europe Unification. The time for the article was
when French voting on the unificaton treaty. The article took satisfaction over
the dificulties german faced to pull Europe together as a political entity.
and
it predicted gloomier picture on the WEU than it actually was.(possibly
reflecting the author's wish rather than his perception).


Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ju8025@csc.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Subject: Re: Looking of Soviet-East, German surplus
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<BzD95C.7Ep@javelin.sim.es.com>
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:57:50


>>Let me explain in brief what this post is about.  Since the cold war
>>has ended I have taken an interest in collecting various Warsaw pact 
>>Uniforms, pins patches.

I saw some East German Army stuff in 1 $ store here.

bye, Johannes.

--
Johannes Ullrich               ju8025@csc.albany.edu            
SUNY Albany                    ju8025@albnyvms.bitnet 
Center for X-Ray Optics        phone (518) 442 4496     
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From: howdii@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Wolfgang Howdii Howurek)
Subject: wienerisch dama redn
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:52:25 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Griass eink, Haudi! Haudi so wia Audi, nua mit "H" wia Hawara. 
Na, wos i gsogd hob, de Babara - haaaaaaawedeeeere, di hod eams gebn, dem
Bifge dea wos nigs deitsch kaun. Do wiad jeds schoaf gschossn! Hoffendli
muass am End ned da Glesdil ausruckn, und de Wogn wieda glettn!
Ibrings, des warum i Hau-di haas, des schdimmd ned a so wia de Babara des
glaubt. De easchtn drei Bugschdobn vo mein Nochnaum san "HOW" und de Englenda
sogn zu sowos "HAU", na und des "DII" is aus an "DY" endschdaundn, midn "Y"
haumma an Bugschdobn zweng ghobt, deswegn haumma schdot en "Y" zwa "I" 
gschriebm. Is jeds ollas kloa mitn Haudi? I wuell neamnd haun.
Nua de Babara trocht ma noch meina Unschdeablichkeit. Naa, i wuell nigs
gsogt haum, i nimm ollas wieda dsrug. Habedere, gschamstadina, kuess di Hand
gne Frau.
Hobds es glesn, vo da Karin, de wos in Bidsboeag sidsd, gfreid hod sa si,
das ma in dera gaunzn weidn Woed vom Intaneds weamende weana Schbrich
fint. Mia is gnauaso gaungan, wiari es easchte moi in de Kaltschagrub vo de
Dschoamen einegschaud hob. Fosd hed is jo ned dau, weul wos indaressiad denn 
mi denan Bifge eanara Guidua? 
Neili hob i briwad a Meil kriagt, von Giessn Harry, dea hod ma auf beldsisch
(i waas goa ned so gnau wos des is) gschriebm, na i hobs oba gneissd, wosa
wuell. Ea hod gmaant, oba a bei uns einebosdn deaf, mid sein beldsischn
Dieulgd. I glaub, sowos soit ma demogratisch obschdimma, i bin ned dagegn,
weul des is e a a gschboasliche Schbroch, und ea fint jo unsa Schbroch
a rechd leiwand.
Jo, und bassds auf, wauma do wos schreibt, wos a Schmeh is und wos ned.
Des gneisst ma do e, oda wos? Bsundas de Aungriadn suin des beheadsign.
Des is do nua fian Schbaas, dschasd foa fan.

Na, des wads daunn wiedaamoi, hoid, wos i no sogn wue: Sads sche braaf und
schdoeds nigs aun, weul sunds kummd de Bolidsei, wia da Hea Raedl vo Radio
Dsedeh ollaweul sogt. Griass eink, es sads meine Hawara!

Wolfgang "Haudi" Howurek   (For Our English Readers: Wolfgang "howdii" Howurek)





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From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: Minister C. Schwarz-Schilling resigns over row with Kohl****
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:43:50 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <168BDF992.UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de> UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de writes:

   The minister for PTT in Germany, Chrisian Schwarz-Schilling has resigned
   today over a conflict with Chancellor Kohl in cabinet last Thursday.
   As Schwarz-Schilling pointed out, he was shaken over reports of Hercegovinan
   citizens to a Bundestag select committee over rape crimes commited by
   Serbs in Bosnia-Hercegovina, and how paralyzed Western reactions appeared
   to him to this point.
   He added that he had pointed out to Chancellor Kohl that he felt ashamed to
   be member of a government's cabinet that wouldn't react in the wake of
   the war crimes in former Jugoslavia.

I am impressed - I wouldn't have expected that he has got so much
backbone.

Btw. I think he is right. There seems to be a strange union of
pacifism, cowardice and political pragmatism. It is being ignored that
after all military invention could reduce the overall number of
victims. The real reason that the european states don't intervene
militarily in Jugoslavia is the fear of having casualties among their
own soldiers. However, in the long run, it may be that the price we
have to pay for not reacting now is even higher: The seed of violence
laid by 'ethnic cleansing' may spread further and multiply in future.
And the successful Serbs may have many imitators, for example among
the states of the former sowiet union.
--

 Thorsten Altenkirch         	And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
 Laboratory for Foundations  	   And gie's a hand o' thine,
 of Computer Science 	      	And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught
 University of Edinburgh     	   For auld lang syne!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Michael.Schwuchow@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Michael Schwuchow)
Subject: Keltenkreuz Re: Swastika
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:28:12 GMT

mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:

>    ^
>   / \
>   \ /
>   \X/ (naja, so aehnlich)

>is DAS das songenannte keltenkreuz?

Meines Wissens ist das Keltenkreuz ein Kreuz mit gleichlangen Armen in einem
Kreis:

     __I__
    /  I  \
  -----+-----
    \__I__/
       I
Und vereinigt in sich Ewigkeit (Kreis) mit Aufstreben (gerade, senkrechte
Linie) mit Bestehen (waagerechte Linie),
aber auch Maennliches (gerade Linien) mit Weiblichem (Kreis) etc. pp.

Jedenfalls ist es wie das Hakenkreuz, das christliche Kreuz oder die oben
angefuehrte Rune vom Design her schoen klar und einfach.

Uebrigends durfte das Rote Kreuz waehrend des Golfkrieges nicht auftauchen
(in der Tuerkei z.B.), weil die Moslems sich noch an die Kreuzzuege unan-
genehm erinnern. Die entsprechnde Hilfsorganisation heisst dort
Roter Halbmond. Soviel zur Brandmarkung eines Hakenkreuztraegers als Nazi
und eines Kreuzbenutzers als Kreuzritter.

Gruss Micha
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!   Michael Schwuchow  Oldenburg, FRG/RFA/BRD  UUCP: schwuchow@uniol.UUCP  !
-Autofahren ist asozial:   Mit anderen Verkehrsmitteln kommt man gesuender,-
-umweltschonender, kommunikativer, platzsparender, volkswirtschaftlich -----
-billiger, und (mit Finanzbedarfszeitaufwand) meist schneller ans Ziel. ----