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From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: questions, comments- Dark Shadows group
Keywords: yarbro, dark shadows, rice (small spoiler)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:25:53 GMT

In article <1gh7qaINNjp0@agate.berkeley.edu> annaleen@garnet.berkeley.edu (Annalee Newitz) writes:

>that there is very little discussion of the original _Dark Shadows_ on
>this newsgroup, and I'm wondering if anyone might tell me at what point
>in the show Barnabus shows up?  I'm trying to tape it off the SciFi 
>Channel (it's on--two episodes in a row--from 8 am to 9 am weekdays), but
>so far it doesn't look like there's any vampire action to be had...
>Also, I would be delighted to receive letters from anyone who wants
>to offer information/commentary on my above-mentioned dissertation topic.
>I will respond in nearly all cases.

There is a Dark Shadows mailing list group; send mail ("please add me to...) 
to rend386-request@sunee.uwaterloo.ca. The group isn't very busy at the 
moment; holiday season. 


>
>In regards to recent posts about Anne Rice:  I would be very much in
>favor of an alt.fan.anne rice newsgroup.  
>

It doesn't look like we're going to get an alt. group. I hear there 
used to be a mailing list; anyone out there have any info? Perhaps it can be 
resurrected from the grave...

>
>Finally, I'd also like to comment on the "bi/homosexuality" controversy
>surrounding Rice's vampires.  I think it's fairly clear that one can read
>the books _both ways_:  it would be easy to argue persuasively that Lestat
>is asexual, and also easy to argue that he's mostly homosexual.  A
>colleague of mine and I recently taught _The Vampire Lestat_ in an English
>Reading/Composition class, and our students debated this issue endlessly.
>Most ended up deciding that since the vampires aren't human, one cannot
>apply the same ideas about "sexual preference" to them that one might to a
>human being.  A question I raised in class about Rice's vampires which I
>notice no one has really debated here concerns the incestuous sexuality of
>her vampires.  Lestat and Gabrielle (a mother and son in their mortal
>lives) become "lovers", and Claudia, Louis and Lestat all have rather
>sexualized and familial relationships.  Incest is also a big theme in _The
>Witching Hour_. What do y'all think about the "incest" theme?  How does it
>relate to the "homoeroticism"?  Does anyone think that Rice is also
>referencing miscegenation (that is, the interbreeding of different races)
>when she describes vampires as a "hybrid" of two different species (read:
>races)?  _The Feast of All Saints_ is a more "realistic" treatment of
>miscegenation, written after _Interview_.

I haven't read enough of _Witching Hour_ to comment yet, but I was under the 
impression that Rice's vampires lost their sexuality with their mortality, 
and instead were sensual, erotic, etc.. The relationships are created to 
fill an eternity with what they love; since some desire their own progeny 
and try to keep them dependent... Do you know of any mythology that relates 
to this question?

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:56:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.031648.29082@penet.fi> an2863@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>> Who says there aren't any voluptuous, seething, low-cut vamps on computer 
>> nets???  Speaking at least for myself (and probably a thousand lucsious 
>> Theda Baras out there on the nets, stalking their electric prey).... 
>> hacks aren't always dumpy asexual four-eyed mopers.  Some of us even type 
>> away in velvet boudoirs, slinking about in gauzy, foggy rooms wearing 
>> little but silk slips and pointy fangs.
>
>I hope you are not refering you yourself (sorry nadja but I concider
>you a far cry from Voluptuous/sexy; both mentaly and physicality)

You, sir, are a jerk, no matter what Nadja looks like.

>In fact I have only met three perhaps four good looking, computer-active
>females without a severe social problem.  Most are overweight and/or
>co-dependent and  hang out (pray apon) with dumpy asexual computer
>jockies, do to there lack of social grace/experance, will put up with
>anything.

You have a very small world. The five women I know who participate in
USENET newsgroups are very attractive women. One is even a professional
model. I have been lucky enough to convince a few of them to allow me
to photograph them for *my* portfolio. Two are married, one to a man
who does not work with computers, and another to a programmer who is
certainly not dumpy. I'd call them an attractive couple, and I'm a very
picky person.

Most women I know who have access to USENET do not *want* to get
together with other netters in person, because they are aware of the
stereotyping that goes on and, in general, they aren't looking for more
people to meet. They want to share discussions electronically.  And
they certainly want to avoid geeky guys like you who are without any
social graces whatsover.

I'm sure that, just as there are women who are beautiful inside,
outside, and sometimes both, who are active on USENET, there are men
who are attractive in similar ways also participating. But, I don't
think *you're* going to meet any of them.

Alexandria
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:48:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman) writes:


>In article <forb0004.156.724477745@student.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis ) writes:

>|> What's your opinion of the Vampire Lestat comic? I saw it briefly in a local 
>|> bookshop, sniffed and turned my nose up at it; it sold like wildfire, and, 
>|> now that I'd like to get it, is nowhere to be found. 


>I thought that it was really weak.  The graphics didn't live up to the story
>at all.  I never bought any one of the series.  Instead, I read a couple of
>them while browsing in the store.  I wasn't impressed.  The art is really
>watered down.  I don't know... Perhaps I'm picky, but I thought that it
>needed something.

I think that the art was intentionally nebulous, showing just a hint of the
characters and actions, invoking the reader's imagination.  I think that this
is even more true of the treatments of INTERVIEW and QUEEN OF THE DAMNED.

In response to the requests for the contact information for the fan club, dues
are $10/yr and the address is:

			Anne Rice's Vampire Lestate Fan Club
			PO Box 58277
			New Orleans, LA  70158-8277

A correction to my previous post regarding this past year's coven party:

Quoted from the newsletter:

	Due to the gracious hospitality of Anne Rice, the annual
	Coven party will be held at her newly acquired, late-Italianate
	styled house on St. Charles Avenue.  Anne rescued the abandoned
	1880 mansion, which is roumored to be haunted, and has already
	begun necessary renovations.  Not to mention, she has incorporated
	"the Amelia Street house" (Anne's pet name for the property
	because it rests on the corner of St. Charles Avenue and
	Amelia Street) into the sequel of _The_Witching_Hour_ entitled
	_Lasher!_...

I guess I got the houses and books mixed up...

Supposedly the movie of TWH is in the works.  INTERVIEW has just been 
reprinted in hardcover after many years.  Ms. Rice is also working on a book
about ancient Egypt, without a title as of yet.

If there is an interest, I will post news as I get it from the newsletter.

Eternally,

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutger.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: kokillou@eos.ncsu.edu (KYLE OLIN KILLOUGH)
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Originator: kokillou@c00508-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: bite slither cleavage
Reply-To: kokillou@eos.ncsu.edu (KYLE OLIN KILLOUGH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:03:04 GMT


And right you are.....
From: v094px3a@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92347.135010JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu (Jon Leistiko) writes...
>Greetings...
> 
> mason4@server.uwindsor.ca (MASON CHRIS L) says in a followup:
> 
> "I state again, that if such an occurence did take
>  place THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL you would be able to refuse the
>  'gift', as you put it."
> 
>     Well, I could get snide and say something like, "Are you implying
>  a 'vampiric rape' here (Vamp:"You _VANT_ to let me drink your bluud"
>  Jonathan (sleepily):"Yesss master...")?" However, as I said previously,
>  I value my huamnity and integrity too much to live my life at the exp-
>  ense of sentient innocents.
>     The vampire (in it's original, pure, unadulterated and uncut form)
>  is a symbol of Death, Disease, Corruption, Famine, Evil, etc. etc. etc.
>  I can't help it if I encountered the "Victorian Sex-vamp" first (re:
>  My "fevered adolescent dreams"). I've outgrown that phase of my life.
>  I would never willingly become an anthropomorphization of everything
>  that goes against nature and my morality.
>     Really.
>     (I used to be a philosophy major, now I'm in psych... I'm also one
>  of the posters who rabidly defends immortality... I _will_not_murder_
>  for my own selfish needs annd wants.)
>     Take care all...
>                    - Jonathan "just a few more days left" L.

The more I think about it, the more I agree that I could never refuse it.  I
would want to ask questions, want assurances, but, even if I couldn't get any,
in thew end, I would still consent to becoming a vampire.  Immortality is just
too great an adventure to turn down.  Whatever it may possibly bring, curiosity,
if nothing else, would compell me to accept.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I think most people would also accept, if they 
truly belived it was possible.
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:51:33 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Super G Burger"

<1992Dec18.084947.23700@netcom.com> alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North) writes:
><1992Dec09.210716.7618@sco.com> brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:
>>flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>>>  Are the teeth removable or permanently fixed to your canines?
>>>        (I've heard of an overbite but this is ridiculous)
>>
> [pararaph deleted for space>
>
>>I imagine that if anyone wants to get teeth made they should talk to their
>>favorite dentist, and see if they are willing or have ideas.  With a mold
>>of your mouth, they should be able to do some amazing stuff.
>
>About seven years go, when my dentist was discussing the propsect of 
>porcelain veneers, I asked if he could make fangs. His saids, "Sure, I 
>could do that, but why?" I just laughed and didn't explain.

Should'a gone for it.  From what I hear you'd make one sexy vampire babe.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: harveytj@kirk.aston.ac.uk (black chiffon web)
Subject: reincarnation.....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Reincarnation, beliefs
Organization: Aston University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:04:00 GMT

I believe that I may have had a previous life....and know others who feel 
the same!

	It is not due to following a religion inclined in that direction, 
rather to memories I have about an earlier life.....which do not seem 
explainable in any other way!

	Email me with any comments or questions......I'm leaving uni for the 
vac. soon and do not have home access to the news group!

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jordag@cary107.its.rpi.edu (VideoVamp)
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
Keywords: bite slither cleavage
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:43:05 GMT

well I know one fraternity that would be willing to attempt part b...Would be
impressive and fun if your statement is true...
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: apm4366@cc.utah.edu (Miaullis, Aaron Paul)
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:14 MST  

In article <92348.153143JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
{ 
{     In (yet another) followup, v094px3a@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
{  says:
{ 
{     "Can't speak for anyone else, but I think most people would also accept, i
{      if they truly believed it [immortality / vampirisim] was possible."
{ 
{     I can't deny that there are people who _would_ choose vamping - I was one
{  of those people once.  It's just that I wouldn't do that now (the point of
{  my reply to the original "hypocricy" post is that not _all_ people  would
{  "choose to vamp" (I am one of them (Am I the only one?).)...
{ 

	Choosing to vamp would be quite a question.  Never to see daylight
again and feed off the people you once knew - doesn't sound that great
to me.  I don't think I would accept vampirism easily.  I've played
vampires in games (White Wolf's Vampire) and each character had
to make a decision on why they would become a vampire and not seek
death to "fix" their "drinking problem".

	One became a vampire for love, another for a cause and another
for duty.  They all had some sort of driving goal to help them live
through the horror of being a vampire.

	I would need some other reason besides the "it's neat" reason.


						-Aaron

ps:	Think of the lunatics that would be out to get you.  Like the
	Frogg brothers from Lost Boys.



Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ai072@yfn.ysu.edu (Gavin S. Patton)
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:26:49 GMT


Teeth???? Somebody looking for a replacement to something they loisst
in a fight with Van Helsing ?  If you have an interrest I know of
easily obtainnable plastic that makes Very realaistic chompers,
and is very inexpensive.  It just takes some dexterity, and sometime.
Generally, it takes about four to six hours to make some tooth fitting
caps that rival the bony growths of Barnabas, Nick, or Drac...

Darkelas
--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:49:11 EST
From: <SXJ112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Voluptuous Blood-Sucking Tarts
 <6uFVVB1w165w@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US>




{ insulting comments deleted }


U sir are an impolite cad.
I should dearly hope you do not behave so callously in non-electronic commun-
ications as you do behind the shield of net, because u are quite likely to be
flattened by some woman you so mispeak against. ( and I hope she knocks ur
tm-joint out of whack when she does so) The grace of electronic nets is that
we all may be warriors, slinking seductresses, knight gallants, and any other
identity whe may for a few hours choice. Unfortunately, you have chosen the
black knave in you recent post. I pray that you do not often so colour yourself
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:31:43 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
 <92347.135010JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> <Bz6Dqp.Grn@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Greetings...

     In (yet another) followup, v094px3a@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
  says:

     "Can't speak for anyone else, but I think most people would also accept, i
      if they truly believed it [immortality / vampirisim] was possible."

     I can't deny that there are people who _would_ choose vamping - I was one
  of those people once.  It's just that I wouldn't do that now (the point of
  my reply to the original "hypocricy" post is that not _all_ people  would
  "choose to vamp" (I am one of them (Am I the only one?).)...

     Take Care, All...
                     - Jonathan
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: an972@anon.penet.fi (Janet Erotic)
Subject: Some Vamps are Bi
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:01:27 GMT


Hello there,

Some female Vampires are bisexual. I am. I let other ladies bring me fresh 
men and ladies to feast on and convert. I am very picky about who I will 
convert considering that I must protect them afterwards.

A hard man is good to find and a fresh lady is tasty.


Mmmmmm. Good to the last drop.


***********************************************************************
Janet Erotic 

Give me pleasure for the sake of pleasure.
(Evil Grin) 


an972@anon.penet.fi
***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Vampire fangs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:37:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.215133.808@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><1992Dec18.084947.23700@netcom.com> alix@netcom.com (Alexandria North) writes:
>><1992Dec09.210716.7618@sco.com> brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:
>>>flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>>>>  Are the teeth removable or permanently fixed to your canines?
>>>>        (I've heard of an overbite but this is ridiculous)
>>>
>> [pararaph deleted for space>
>>
>>>I imagine that if anyone wants to get teeth made they should talk to their
>>>favorite dentist, and see if they are willing or have ideas.  With a mold
>>>of your mouth, they should be able to do some amazing stuff.
>>
>>About seven years go, when my dentist was discussing the propsect of 
>>porcelain veneers, I asked if he could make fangs. His saids, "Sure, I 
>>could do that, but why?" I just laughed and didn't explain.
>
>Should'a gone for it.  From what I hear you'd make one sexy vampire babe.
>
>Gordon

Ah, word got out. Careful, we can't let the nerdy dweebs on the net find 
out that there *are* hot babes participating in newsgroups, with flowing 
locks, heaving breasts, etc. I mean, then they might corner us and we'd 
have to confess that the reason they've never met us is that we *know* 
how geeky many of them are, and we'd rather just keep the discussions 
electronic.

Of course, men like you are a welcome exception. Maybe you and I could 
meet some night in, say, a foggy cemetery...

Alexandria 

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jdtucker@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (John Daryl Tucker)
Subject: Re: Poetry
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:59:50 GMT

Sorry.

_Stalker_Of_The_Night_

The prey approaches me.
He walks quietly
Through the alley.
I wait.

Here he comes to me
In his naivety.
I yearn to set him free.
I wait.

Life is so fleeting
With pain and suffering.
I do the right thing!
I wait.

His blood is nice and warm.
His neck will soon be torn.
His death I soon will mourn.
I wait.

Killing is my life.
It is full of strife.
Together with my knife
I strike.

Moving like a snake
His life I try to take.
He's left me in his wake.
I turn.

His smile freezes me.
His eyes are filled with glee.
He slowly touches me.
I groan.

My blood is nice and warm.
Droplets start to form.
I am forlorn.
I die.


	    - Quixotic Jedi (a.k.a. Other Brother Daryl)



#######################################################################
# jdtucker@[129.97.204.8] is  # Here I stand naked before you.        #
# of unsound mind and body.   # Don't you want more than my sex?      #
# Therefore, the University   # I can scream as loud as your last one #
# of Waterloo accepts no      # But I can't claim innocence.          #
# responsibility for his      #      - Tori Amos                      #
# actions (I'm all alone).    #        ([Leather] Little Earthquakes) #
#######################################################################
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:26:22 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: 'Tis the season - Santa Claus is a Vamp!

Greetings...

     Well, this is my last post... Here goes...

     Assertion: Santa Claus is a vampire.

     Evidence: 1) Families put out milk and cookies for him 'cause he won't
                  visit if they don't. [A vampire must be invited into the
                  home.]

               2) He only visits "catholic" families (i.e.: ones that
                  celebrate Christmas). [Same as #1]

               3) How can a fat, old man fit down a teeny, tiny chimney?
                  [Turning into a rat or vapor would make it _easy_!]

               4) Santa Claus has been around for _centuries_!  [That's
                  because he's immortal!]

               5) Why does he wear a predominantly _red_ costume? [Because
                  blood stains don't show up on red cloth.]

               6) Why does he live at the North Pole? [Because it gets
                  plunged into darkness for long periods of time.]

               7) "He sees you when you're sleeping - He knows when you're
                  awake..." [It's the classic "vampire-thrall" bond.]

               8) No human alive could travel all the way around the world
                  and deliver all those presents! [Perhaps (only perhaps) a
                  vampire could accomplish this feat?]

     I know there's more "proof", but I'm sure that this is more than enough
  to convince all but the most die-hard realists out there (i.e.: I can't
  think of any more silly reasons!)... One more parting thought: If you enjoyed
  this thought, you may also enjoy this one... Santa Christ! (just picture
  Santa crucified with a crown of holly, presents scattered at the base; little
  children gathered around handing out phamplets saying, "He Died So You Could
  Have Presents."

     It's been "real" (???)...
     Take Care...
                - Jonathan "I'm not setting out milk and cookies" Leistiko
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: renfield@camelot.bradley.edu (Dennis Depalma)
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:13:40 GMT

In <14DEC199214143200@cc.utah.edu> apm4366@cc.utah.edu (Miaullis, Aaron Paul) writes:

>In article <92348.153143JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>{ 
>{     In (yet another) followup, v094px3a@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger)
>{  says:
>{ 
>{     "Can't speak for anyone else, but I think most people would also accept, i
>{      if they truly believed it [immortality / vampirisim] was possible."
>{ 
>{     I can't deny that there are people who _would_ choose vamping - I was one
>{  of those people once.  It's just that I wouldn't do that now (the point of
>{  my reply to the original "hypocricy" post is that not _all_ people  would
>{  "choose to vamp" (I am one of them (Am I the only one?).)...
>{ 

>	Choosing to vamp would be quite a question.  Never to see daylight
>again and feed off the people you once knew - doesn't sound that great
>to me.  I don't think I would accept vampirism easily.  I've played
>vampires in games (White Wolf's Vampire) and each character had
>to make a decision on why they would become a vampire and not seek
>death to "fix" their "drinking problem".

>	One became a vampire for love, another for a cause and another
>for duty.  They all had some sort of driving goal to help them live
>through the horror of being a vampire.

>	I would need some other reason besides the "it's neat" reason.


>						-Aaron

>ps:	Think of the lunatics that would be out to get you.  Like the
>	Frogg brothers from Lost Boys.


Hell, I think you just found your reason for accepting.  The world NEEDS to
be protected from idiots like the Frogg brothers, and who better than a
really smart vampire to protect us?
 

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres