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From: txa4331@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Agrawal)
Subject: Re: JGH computer rankings
Originator: txa4331@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.164053.15434@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>Week 11: No change in top 7.  (Steeler fans are not going to be 
>happy.)
>                            Last
>Rank   Team         Rating  Week
> 1     Cowboys        90     1
> 2     Eagles         84     2
> 3     Saints         82     3
> 4     Vikings        80     4
> 5     49ers          79     5
> 6     Redskins       72     6
> 7     Bills          70     7

BILLS AT # 7 ????????????????? You must be a nut-case, or rather you 
and your computer. Bills are nothing less than a number 1 team. As 
Thurminator said, after losing 2 Super Bowls they are gonna win 2 in
a row.
For now I feel Dolphins are in real trouble this Monday night.

Tanmay
>
>JGH
>
>"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
> His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
>                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer


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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Living in Enemy turf
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:40:37 GMT

A week or two ago, some people were discussing what it was like to live
in enemy turf (e.g. 'Skins fans living in Dallas).  However, it's
occurred to me that living in enemy turf may be the next best thing to
living in home turf.  You're guaranteed at least two chances a year to
see your team, with at least one game a year at the local stadium.  A
'Skins fan living in Denver might only get to see his team live every
six years or so.  (Assuming that the teams meet each time the divisions
play each other, and that the teams alternate home and away.)

So count your blessings.  :-)
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Cowboys steamroll over Lions
Organization: University of Michigan
	<2822@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:41:50 GMT

In article <2822@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

[lions summary delted]

   Not a whole lot more to say.  Next up is the Rams, at Dallas.

   Daniel Welch

Nice win.  Lions then Rams?  You guys must be getting bored, huh?

Bill
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From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
Subject: Re: Bills D
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:26:12 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
> Losers????  If the 2nd best record in football (by two games) is a bunch of
> losers, than what exactly are winners???!!!??
> 
> Imran Qureshi

For what period of time is this true?  For what team is this true?
I thought you were talking about Buffalo.

Dan (go indy) Kary
From: dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Vikings game
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:55:05 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I only saw some of the third quarter of the  Vikings-Bucs game.  The way the
Bucs came out in the second half, I thought they were going to come back from
28-0 down.  Terry Allen fumbled an exchange between him and Gannon (don't know
whose fault it was, but Allen seems to be a pretty safe bet considering the
rest of the season...), but Tampa got shut down.  The Vikes also had a Buc
defender pick off a pass at his shoetops (I'm still amazed he caught it).  But
the Bucs seemed to become the early 1980s Bucs (1-15) and couldn't move the
ball.  
        
The Vikes finally scored to make it 35-0, but by then I was too bored &
otherwise occupied to watch.

Jack Dostal


P.S.  What a relief--the Dolphins finally got their revenge on Indy.
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #11
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:34:10 GMT

Week 11
-------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 10 am PST (5 pm GMT) on Sunday, Nov 15.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Pittsburgh       
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] Dallas           
[  ] [ ] Philadelphia		[ ] Green Bay (at Milwaukee) 
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Atlanta          
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] Kansas City   
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] NY Jets       
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Minnesota        
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Indianapolis 
[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] Cleveland      
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Tampa Bay        
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] San Francisco
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] LA Raiders       
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] Denver         
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] Miami            
                                
Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Viking Comments and Obligatory anti-woof.
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:55:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxGHJu.9pz
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I second Eric on this. The Vikes themselves feel that if they
do not turn over the football by fumbles or interceptions,
they can beat any team in the NFL.  

Anyway the anti-woof should continue.

S.H

AND I WILL FOREVER BLEED PURPLE
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Buffalo outguns Pittsburgh
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:03:35 GMT

In article <9NOV92.01174021@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
> [ stuff deleted ]
>I think the biggest surprise in this game was the
>discipline the Bills showed on offense. Their time of possession may well
>have been better than the Steelers'. (Final score: 28 - 20)
>
>Bart

IMHO, the most important aspect of this game was the running game,
a.k.a. Thurman Thomas. The running game set the tempo and control
of the game. This opened up the passing of Kelly, who was right on
on this Sunday.

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: Randall benched for WEEK TEN
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:02:09 GMT

I bet there's a ton of media hoopla about this back
in Philly.  What's going on here?  Is Cunningham
having some problems off-the-field?  Is the injured
leg bothering him in some way (fatigues earlier,
hinders mobility, disrupts his technique, or something
like that)?
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: Randal benched for WEEK TEN
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:56:14 GMT

>If my memory serves me correctly I don't think the Packers ever beat Jim 
>McMahon (sp?) in his days with the evil :-) Bears.  I think if I were Kotite, I
>would let Jim play the GB game as well.  Any comments?

The way Randall's been playing I can understand the sentiments,
but face it, McMahon is not the guy who will take us all the
way to the SB.  Randall is THE man who will take us there,
and the sooner he gets back into the game, the better.
From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steelers: Searcy
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:27:09 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world,local
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Marcus Wilhelm Banzhaf <mb5g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>him.  Well, if anyone has any information about Searcy, I wold really
>appreciate it.

Well, at least he wasn't canned like other draft picks this year.  Leon's
name is on the Pittsburgh roster:

72--Leon Searcy, OT            6-3 295   R

He's probably just training real hard....Pittsburgh is probably waiting for
Tunch to break his leg.


>-marc
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       when you UNZIP & ZIP files?                University Of Nebraska
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packers 7 - Giants 27 (Packer & Giant fan perspective)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 NOV 92 10:01:43    

In article <1992Nov10.201653.6410@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes...

>Yep, if not problems, at least a mystery...can't seem to figure out the
>O-line of the Giants.  They've never been too hot at pass blocking, but
>are usually very effective in the running game.  And against the Pack,
>they couldn't get the running game going. One thing I noticed was the
>Giants kept trying to get around the end against Green Bay and failed
>time after time.  Have other teams had success running around the ends
>on Green Bay?  

Other teams have had success running anywhere against GB.  I guess 
most of the success has come up the middle.  The Packers have good 
speed on defense and good pursuit.  The Giants should have pounded it 
up the gut like Cleveland did.  (But I suppose they won anyway so 
what's the difference?)
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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Standings
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:48:34 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the current NFL standings, as reproduced by the computer
program.
===



                       AFC Standings


      AFC West          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Denver            6- 3- 0    5- 0- 0    1- 3- 0
      Kansas City       5- 4- 0    4- 1- 0    1- 3- 0
      San Diego         4- 5- 0    3- 2- 0    1- 3- 0
      L.A. Raiders      3- 6- 0    2- 2- 0    1- 4- 0
      Seattle           1- 8- 0    0- 4- 0    1- 4- 0


      AFC Central       Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Pittsburgh        6- 3- 0    3- 0- 0    3- 3- 0
      Houston           5- 4- 0    3- 2- 0    2- 2- 0
      Cleveland         5- 4- 0    2- 2- 0    3- 2- 0
      Cincinnati        4- 5- 0    2- 2- 0    2- 3- 0


      AFC East          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Buffalo           7- 2- 0    4- 1- 0    3- 1- 0
      Miami             7- 2- 0    3- 1- 0    4- 1- 0
      Indianapolis      4- 5- 0    2- 3- 0    2- 2- 0
      N.Y. Jets         2- 7- 0    2- 2- 0    0- 5- 0
      New England       0- 9- 0    0- 5- 0    0- 4- 0



                       NFC Standings


      NFC West          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      New Orleans       7- 2- 0    3- 1- 0    4- 1- 0
      San Francisco     7- 2- 0    2- 1- 0    5- 1- 0
      Atlanta           3- 6- 0    3- 2- 0    0- 4- 0
      L.A. Rams         3- 6- 0    3- 1- 0    0- 5- 0


      NFC Central       Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Minnesota         7- 2- 0    3- 1- 0    4- 1- 0
      Chicago           4- 5- 0    3- 3- 0    1- 2- 0
      Green Bay         3- 6- 0    2- 2- 0    1- 4- 0
      Tampa Bay         3- 6- 0    2- 3- 0    1- 3- 0
      Detroit           2- 7- 0    1- 4- 0    1- 3- 0


      NFC East          Season      Home       Away  
      -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T

      Dallas            8- 1- 0    5- 0- 0    3- 1- 0
      Washington        6- 3- 0    4- 1- 0    2- 2- 0
      Philadelphia      6- 3- 0    5- 0- 0    1- 3- 0
      N.Y. Giants       5- 4- 0    3- 2- 0    2- 2- 0
      Phoenix           3- 6- 0    2- 2- 0    1- 4- 0
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

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From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: Bears fake punt illegal (was Re: Browns News - Nov 2nd - Be sure to vote!!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.171244.2927@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
|> >>Does this mean that all players must line up at least 5 yards from the
|> >>sidelines?  If so how come the Bears fake punt (I think it was a punt) against 
|> >>GB was legal.  A bear pretended to leave the field after the huddle, stopped 
|> >>short of the sideline, and caught a pass for a first down.
|> >on the field or report to the huddle.
|> 
|> >According to the Wisconsin State Journal, the league 
|> >office has informed the Packers that the play was illegal.  3 penalties 
|> >could have been called - illegal procedure for having 2 men in motion at 
|> >the same time, unsportsmanlike conduct for attempting to deceive (believe 
|> >it or not, this 'acting' gimmick is illegal) 
|> 
|> Pleeeeeeeeeeease!  Why is the play-action pass not illegal?  Why is the 
|> draw play not illegal?  How can a fake punt of fake FG ever be legal if
|> attempting to deceive warrants an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty?
|> 

Well, the first thing that comes to mind after reading your list above is 
that all the things you mentioned take place after the ball is snapped.  I
don't know anything about the rule John mentions above, but maybe it has
something to do with deception before the play begins.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FFL Question for S.D. fans
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40935

In article <cavitate.721513310@milton>, cavitate@milton.u.washington.edu (Ronald Roy) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I have two injured receivers on my fantasy football team,
> and need to pick up some backups who will do well toward
> the end of the season. We only get points for yards.
> 
> My question is this:
> As A. Miller begins to draw more double coverage, who
> will emerge as the #2 receiver for the Chargers - 
> Lewis or Walker (I think they are both receivers).
> Adam Calabrese


WR Nate Lewis has played above expectations this season. But your problem
is that Lewis suffered a hip injury in the KC game is going to miss
at least 2 games. TE Walker, on the other hand, has had 
good games [including a 100+ yd game]. His main drawback is that he
drops too many balls. He had 4 drops in the KC game. But he is going to
get a lot of passes thrown his way. 

Put a gun to my head, I would take Walker right now. 2-3 weeks down the
road, I might want Lewis. But the injury to Lewis puts a ? on his future
performances.



_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: SEAHAWKS
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:59:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


Help me please - I am trying to find out any info on the seahawks+reports
because I do not have teletext whilst at university so can`t even see how badly
they lost this time !
Come on team - where is the `ole spirit ???
Please direct answers to my Email address if possible
                  Alex
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From: C.Thomas.Eyford.III@dartmouth.edu (C. Thomas Eyford III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yds
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:26:04 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov9.203508.7634@math.ucla.edu>
rfedkiw@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:

> Well there seems to be only 2 2,00 yd rushers... one from Buffalo.
> But, how many offensive weapons have had 2,000 yds.
> Meaning recieving and recievers included.
> For example, I think Thomas had a couple seasons with 2,000+ !!!! 

How about 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving in the same
year?  As far as I know, only one player has done that in NFL history -
Roger Craig, San Fransciso 49ers. 

RL: Tom Eyford                        E-mail: eyford@mac.dartmouth.edu

"So, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll
try to kill each other like civilized people?"  
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From: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Originator: mcanders@c00554-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:43:07 GMT


 satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> New thread. Cool!
|> 
|> Okay I'll exclude my favorite team (GIANTS) from this thread because then I'll
|> never stop.  From what I remember, here are some of the best and worst trades,
|> in my opinion:
|> 
|> BEST:
|> 
|> Jim Lachey to the Skins for Jay Schroeder.
|> 
|> Packers getting the Majik man as a 9th (?) round pick and then his really 
|> great season following.
|> 
|> The Bills getting Cornelius Benett in a 3 way trade involving Dickerson and
|> Greg Bell.
|> 
|> Green Bay's aquisition of upa nd coming rookie Brett Favre (GB seems to know
|> how to pick the QBs).
|> 
|> The Cowboys getting Steve Beuerlein from the Raiders (I won't even bring up
|> the Walker fiasco).
|> 
|> The Eagles getting Reggie White in the supplemental draft after other teams
|> (like the GIANTS) passed him up.  Imagine the possibilities if LT and Reggie
|> lined up on the same defense?
|> 
|> WORST:
|> 
|> Eagles giving up 2 first round picks to get the greatest dud of modern day
|> draft: Antoine Davis (Greg Townsend used him as a revolving door in Sunday's
|> game).
|> 
|> Jets drafting Blair Thomas (2nd pick overall) over Emmitt Smith (hah!). Thomas
|> is all right but Emmitt is "king stud #1".
|> 
|> The Cowboys (in spite of all their great trades) picking Russell Maryland as
|> the first choice overall in 1990.
|> 
|> 
|> satish nair
|> 


Two quick thoughts on the worst side:

Had Dallas not drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft it is very likely
that Dallas (with the #1 pick) would have drafted Blair Thomas.  Some things
just seem to work out for the better.

I disagree with your assessment of Russell Maryland. I do believe he is going
to be a good player, he showed signs at the end of last season. The real
mistake was trading for the #1 pick in the first place.

Matt.
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Subject: Re: A Question
From: JJ Serowik <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:15:49 EST
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University

Nope-
      Rob.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH computer rankings
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 11 NOV 92 10:33:08    

Week 11: No change in top 7.  (Steeler fans are not going to be 
happy.)
                            Last
Rank   Team         Rating  Week
 1     Cowboys        90     1
 2     Eagles         84     2
 3     Saints         82     3
 4     Vikings        80     4
 5     49ers          79     5
 6     Redskins       72     6
 7     Bills          70     7
 8     Dolphins       65     9
 9     Chiefs         61    12
10     Broncos        61    10
11     Oilers         56     8
12     Steelers       56    11
13     Giants         52    14
14     Bears          48    13
15     Lions          45    16
16     Raiders        43    17
17     Chargers       42    18
18     Falcons        41    15
19     Cardinals      39    20
20     Rams           37    19
21     Browns         37    24
22     Bengals        33    25
23     Jets           30    22
24     Colts          29    21
25     Packers        28    23
26     Buccaneers     26    26
27     Seahawks       11    27
28     Patriots        9    28

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
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From: krueger@cs.uwp.edu (Gerald Krueger)
Subject: Re: Does anyone think Atlanta will win?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:19:54 GMT

Did anyone think Phoenix would win?

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