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From: nasadk@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Subject: Re: HELP! What is "DeskTop folder", & "Trash Folder"?
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:24:03 GMT

In article <9228613.17319@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera) writes:
|> 
|> WHAT ARE "DESKTOP FOLDER" AND "TRASH FOLDER" ???

   [ System info deleted, but has IIci w/ Sys 6.0.7 & 7.0.1 on 230 Meg HD ]

|> I found that trash folder was a real "trash can" in the system 7.0.1, because
|> when I switched from system 7 to system 6, there was a file which I put in
|> before switching (without selecting "Empty Trash" command). I guess that,in
|> system 7, trash is treated as a kind of folder, and it remains as a folder 
|> when I switch from system 7 to system 6.  Am I correct ?

Yes, I've noticed that too. Since you don't empty the Trash until you want 
to under System 7, the software has to keep it somewhere. In this case, an
invisible folder is used that magically appears under System 6. 

|> But what is the "DeskTop folder" ?  There is nothing in it.  Nothing 
|> happened when I trash it in the "trash can" in system 6.

Well, the Desktop folder will contain whatever is on your desktop under
System 7. I keep files on it all the time. System 7 will let you copy
files to the desktop level of a HD. For example, I have two HD's, one called
"Either" and the other called "Or". I can copy files to the "Either" drive
without placing them in the one folder on the HD. It sorta goes like this :
Desktop, Either, System Folder, etc.. and as you go deeper, you can go 
into more folders. So the "Desktop" level is the highest level on the HD.
This occurs under System 7. Under System 6, since it doesn't treat the 
desktop the same way, it puts any items you left out under System 7 into
the folder. Try it some time by moving out a file on your HD under System 7
and then reboot under System 6. Open the Desktop folder, and the item should
be there.

You can delete the folder, but if you left something there, then you lose
it.

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: JBUTLER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Jon Butler)
Subject: PROBLEM:  Sys7 Networked printer reinitializes
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:38:14 EDT

We have a LaserWrite NTII networked on Yale's Appletalk system so we can print
to it from three Macs, all on Sys7 (two orig classics and one SE).  Since
switching to Sys7, our printer constantly reinitializes when printing from a
new computer.  We have had this checked by Yale's networking people;  they
insist that someone not on sys7 is selecting our printer on the network.
Yet no printed pages from such "foreigners" ever come out of our machine.
In some regards, our only problem stems from the delays that such
reinitializing causes.
 
Does anyone know if there is some kind of flaw in Sys7 that would make this
happen, or if there is something that can be done to stop this constant
reinitializing by the printer?  Many thanks for any help. --Jon Butler
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 13:52:30 CDT
From: <U59985@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why is my virtual memory broken?

I'm not an expert on the PowerBook because I don't have one. But I seem to reme
mber that there was an option in the PowerBook control panel that allowed you t
o disable Virtual Memory in order to save on battery time. You may want to chec
k on this since I'm not exactly sure about this. But it may solve your problem.

Thomas
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 22:41:46 MST
From: <IGMJG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject:    Monitors control panel

Being the retentive person that I am, I am trying to line up the bottom edges
of my monitors to the exact pixel. I remember reading somewhere that there is
a certain key combination in the Monitors control panel that lets you "nudge"
a monitor pixel by pixel -- except now I can't remember what it is.

Any of y'all know? If so, please E-Mail me a reply.

Thanks
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Arizona State University                   (or): proterm@aol.com
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:57:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <92282.203949CHARLESW@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>,
CHARLESW@QUCDN.QueensU.CA wrote:
> 
> Two points on this:
> 
> 1)  I think Bryan Villados made a good point earlier: the fastest micro is
>     the one that lets you get your work done fastest, not the one that can
>     do the most NOPs in a second.
> 
> 2)  An upgrade cost for 7.1 will be much more expensive for large (or largish)
>     organizations that have to process the paperwork (150 purchase orders,
>     notifying everyone in advance, additional support costs because not every-
>     one is running the same version of the system, keeping track of who has a
>     legal copy of System 7.1, etc. etc.).  Now, at some point there will be a
>     site license agreement available--for what size shops & what cost & will
>     50 schools count as one site or 50 sites remain to be seen, but I believe
>     that it won't be available Oct 19, and Oct 20 will be the day that *some*
>     machines start arriving in the organization *requiring* 7.1.  So that
>     "nominal" cost is still going to expand to something substantial.

Don't forget that Apple has the system upgrade on CD ROM as well as on
floppy disk.  The CD ROM upgrade comes with a site license to upgrade all
the machines you have.  This was in affect for system 7.0, 7.0.1, and will
happen for 7.1 as well.  The machines that require 7.1 will come with 7.1
already on them.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Subject: System 7 Tuner 1.1.1 & AppleTalk Internet Router
Organization: SDSU - LARC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:04:10 GMT

Hey Folks, here's a weird one:
  I have a Pioneer laserdisc player (LD-V2200) that I wanna control from the
printer port cause I got a MacRecorder on the modem port. So I unplug all the
AT stuff, plug in the LD-V2200, go to the chooser to shut AT down, it says -
Can't do that until the programs using AT are done with AT, so I set 
the Router to OFF on the next restart, do the restart, Chooser now lets me
turn AT off. Hold on, don't go to the next post yet.. Now any subsequent
restarts crash after getting to the Extensions folder (CP stuff loads OK). 
So I started taking things out and lo and behold, System 7 Tuneup 1.1.1 seems
to be the culprit. Moving it and it alone, in and out of the Extensions folder
determines whether the machine boots up or not. 
I'm not really interested in trying diferent combo's to try to get it to crash
or not, the problem seems to be solved as long as I remember the procedure and
setup.
Just thot you'd like to know, but will listen to any comments 
from AT/Ethernet gods running Router and Tuneup. 
Jeff Babb
P.S. Yes, I did get a fresh copy of the Tuneup and re-install using the
Installer. Same results. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: vvann@umbio.med.miami.edu (Vince Vann)
Subject: *Zapping PRAM causes startup problem under Sys7
Organization: University of Miami Medical School
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:57:59 GMT

A few days ago, I zapped the PRAM on my SE/30 (running system 7.0 &
tuneup 1.1.1).  Since then my machine has not started up properly.
Instead of the normal startup sequence with a single Happy Mac 
appearing, I get a cycle of three (3) Happy Mac's as follows:
 
  - [HD activity + Happy Mac] X 3
  - "Welcome to Mac..." Dialog
  - INITs & Extensions load...
 
The cycle of [HD activity + Happy Mac] repeats exactly 3 times.  This 
happens reliably EVERY time I reboot from my HD (on restart/shutdown, 
with Extensions enabled/disabled).  The cycle does not occur when I 
startup from a floppy.  Therefore, it appears that the problem is with 
the System 7.0 on my HD.  The HD checks out just fine (no read/write 
errors) with both Norton Utilities 2.0 and Silverlining 5.37.  I have
not experienced any other unusual problems/errors/bombs on my machine.

A friend of mine experiences the same [HD activity + Happy Mac] X 3 
cycle on starting up his IIfx - running system 7.0 & tuneup 1.1.1.  
His problem also began after he zapped the PRAM.  
 
Is this a coincidence or a bug in sys7?  Anyone have any clues as to 
how zapping the PRAM might affect the startup sequence under sys7?
 
Thanks in advance,

-- Vince
 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Andreas Wuertz <wuertz@tik.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: How is the bootable disk determined.
Organization: Federal Institute of Technology
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.173417.2058@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Steven D.
Majewski, sdm7g@aemsun.med.Virginia.EDU writes:
>[ My 2nd guess is that it boots the highest scsi ID with a system 
>  folder? Or is there (invisible) boot code installed on the disk? ]

It boots off any disk that's bootable. And yes, a disk is marked bootable
in its boot blocks. If you want a particular disk to be booted off, make
it the startup disk using the Startup Disk control panel. The Mac waits
quite a long time for the so selected startup disk to get ready. But it
doesn't wait forever, so after a few seconds it goes on searching
starting with the LOWEST scsi address (as far as I know).

Andy (wuertz@tik.ethz.ch)

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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Official word on System Software
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:55:44 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Wait until Oct 19 like the rest of the world.

[I guess that was rather smart-ass. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.]

smittie
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From: dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: PROBLEM:  Sys7 Networked printer reinitializes
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:09:35 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

The last respondent writes:

>Even if all of the computers are running System 7 you have to make sure
>that the Printer drivers and the Laser Prep files are all the same
>version. When the tuneup came out they introduced a new version of the
>Laserwriter, Stylerwriter, and Chooser DA, and some other stuff.  Make
>sure (get info) that all printer drivers have the same version and
>reinstall the latest version on all the computers if they are
>inconsistent.

Although this was true in System 6, it is not in System 7 -- one of
the improvements of the new LaserWriter drivers. Any LaserWriter
driver 7.xx can co-exist with other 7.xx drivers.

> Also be sure that you don't have more that one Laserwriter in your
>Chooser view.  This problem occured here in the college lab and even
>after the same system disks and printer disks were installed two of the
>computers had extra laserwriters that were driven with System 6 drivers
>that would mess things up.

This is a good thing to check for.
-- 
Dana E. Keil           Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU                 University of California, Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Christopher S. Eplett <epletc@rpi.edu>
Subject: Re: changing volume names after file sharing
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A704DCFAE7015512@opus.stu.rpi.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:56:26 GMT
Organization: Rainsallyear Instipolytechnitorturetute, Troy
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:00:20 GMT

Thanks to all who responded. It turns out I had the old "FIle-shared-with-
system-6-so-I-can't-change-the-name" symdrome. I grabbed the unlock folder
thing from ftp.apple.com and all is now right with the world ( especially
my new ethernet connection :) ).

	Again thanks to all who responded!

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|	opus@iear.arts.rpi.edu		|  I've forgotten what I think!"|
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From: kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L - fact or fiction?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:17:41 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Australian National University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.19

In article <kpw105-141092160838@theophys1.anu.edu.au>,
kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen) wrote:
> 
 stuff about system 6.0.8L deleted
> 
> p.s. It DOES work on the classic II and NO I am confusing it with system
> 6.0.8.

Of course I mean I am NOT confusing it with system 6.0.8.  :-)

Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
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From: William_C._Gentry%_Jr.@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 22:59:37 PDT
Subject: Re: Looking for a Chinese system or Fonts

Try APDA. Order a back issue of develop magazine. Included is a Developer CD
with all the current foreign language system software packages.
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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Toggle 32-bit Addressing
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:04:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: nick@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu


People:

   I'm looking for an init, Fkey, or other device that will allow me
to toggle 32-bit addressing on/off.  If you know of such a device and
where (ie sumex-aim), please let me know.
   Thanks!

     (e-mail responses prefered)

                                Nick


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From: garcia@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Print PostScript FILE
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:12:10 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

Hello people,
Does anyone knows what have I do to get a truly postscript file
from Mac?
Now, when I choose postscript file in print options I have
serious problems to print postscript files in non-apple printers.
Thank you very much for your time in advance.
Regards
Felipe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: miocmit@athena.mit.edu (Boris Golubovic)
Subject: Apple Talk
Keywords: Sys 6 & 7
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:53:50 GMT


Is it possible to have an Apple Talk Net on which some machines are 
running sys 6 and others 7.

We'd like to keep the SE's on sys 6 (lack of memory) and the other
Mac's on system 7.

If possible, what do we have to do?

Please Mail the reply.

		Thank you very much.

			Boris

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: seaney@engr.wisc.edu
Subject: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Organization: Univ of Wisconsin Madison
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:35:50 CDT


We have a IIfx with systems 7.0.1 and 12 Meg of memory.  The Finder indicates
that there is 12 Meg of memory installed, but it tells us that the 'largest
unused block' is 4meg less then what it should be.  Is there some trick to get
ti to recognize the last 4 Meg.

Thanks,
Steve
 
From: bayes@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Scott Bayes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:13:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Finder Prefs Not Saving!!!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system

Therblick alert! :-)

>     What you might try doing is zapping the Parity RAM. This holds a lot
				 Parameter    ^^^^^^

ScottB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: trrrc@rc.rit.edu (Thomas R. Ridley)
Subject: Program Linking Goes Away
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:49:39 GMT

We have a customer running AppleShare 3.0 on a Quadra 900. We run
OnLocation on it and communicate to it using AppleEvents and our own custom
front end.

From time to time the Quadra behaves as if All of the users have had their
program linking disabled.

We normally connect to OnLocation as Guest (using the AutoGuest Init). When
things go badly neither Guest or Registerd User Names are recognized.
Restarting AppleShare doesn't help. Turning Program Linking Off/On again
from the control panel doesn't correct it. Only restarting the Quadra 900
server causes all to work right again.

Has any one else seen this problem or have a possible suggestion for fixing
it. I'm wondering if there is a problem with some internal system heap
table related to program linking.???

Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jbrowne@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Subject: Re: Time distribution from Unix
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:10:43 GMT

>In article <9210062253.AA21201@trix.genie.uottawa.ca>,
>galko@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Peter Galko) wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone happen to know of any utility that exists for the Mac that
>> would allow me to periodically correct the time on my Mac from our Unix
>> machines (or other network sources).  For some reason my Mac's clock runs
>> too slow and even with some automatic corrections for the drift, it doesn't
>> seem to keep reasonable time (what accuracy do the crystal oscillators
>> Apple uses have anyway?).
>> 

	There's a great control panel called "Network Time" by Pete Resnick. It
should be available on sumex, probably in the "cp" directory.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Why is my virtual memory broken?
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:01:45 GMT

Ethan J Benatan (ejbst4+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: Dear netters, please help.
: 
: I recently had the hard drive on my PowerBook 170 replaced under
: warranty.  I did a full restore from backup except for the System,
: Finder, Extensions and Control Panels which I reinstalled from scratch
: or copied from the IIfx which has had no problems.  Everything seems
: to work just dandy except that the Memory Control Panel includes no 
: Virtual Memory option! 
: 
: I'd be grateful if anyone could shed any light on why this might be 
: happening.

To be able to run virtual memory, you need the latest disk driver software
installed on your disk. Perhaps your new hard drive had the old version.
Try to update the driver using the Tools disk (I don't know the name of the
application in english, it's the same that's used to format hard disks).
Just start the program, choose disk, click Update (this won't damage any
data on the disk) and try virtual memory
again.

/Mats
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: What resources might be added to an application?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Massey University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 01:21:06 GMT

I recently read somewhere (MacTutor, I think) a suggestion that
applications 'virus-protect' themselves by checking the number and types of
their resources when starting, since viruses usually add resources rather
than modifying existing ones.

This sounded a useful (and easy) addition to an educational program I was
writing, but I later realised that the Finder (System 7) can add
icon-family resources to an application if you paste a custom icon in the
Get Info dialog. I can of course ignore these particular icon resources in
my tally of resources, but perhaps the Finder (or other utilities) performs
similar tricks to store other application-specific information.

Does anyone know of any other resources that might be 'legitimately' added
to an application? If so, what resource types and IDs?

Thanks. If I unearth many more, I'll post a list.

----------------------------------------------------
Doug Stirling
Department of Statistics
Massey University
Palmerston North
New Zealand                  D.Stirling@massey.ac.nz
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: brady@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Sucks To Be Me)
Subject: Problem w/system 7 suitcase
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:00:49 GMT

I am having a problem with my Sys 7 suitcase. I tried to open it to see what
kind of fonts, etc. are in there and I got a dialog saying that it was damaged.
and it wouldn't open. I tried to use Norton But that didn't help. Is there
any way to fix this without replacing the system file?

			Thanks,
			  STBM
			  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Subject: Re: Toggle 32-bit Addressing
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:51:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <lkingsley-151092084849@lkingsley.crd.ge.com> lkingsley@crd.ge.com writes:

> In article <7569@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > People:
> > 
> >    I'm looking for an init, Fkey, or other device that will allow me
> > to toggle 32-bit addressing on/off.  If you know of such a device and
> > where (ie sumex-aim), please let me know.

> 
> Seriously, you need to reboot to enable/disable 32-bit addressing, so I
> don't know where the advantage of having an init or whatever comes in.

Well something like this could come in handy if you like to switch between
System 6.* and System 7 by using System Switcher, Blesser, or System
Picker.  System 6 doesn't seem to like 32 bit addressing so
you have to shut it off while running system 7 so that system 6.0 will
boot properly.

     oh ya, I'm interested in said INIT too...   Tony Dias

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system