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From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Subject:      JugglePro 2.0
Resent-Message-Id: <920406.165649.CDT.S092217@UMRVMA>
Resent-Date:  Mon, 06 Apr 92 16:56:49 CDT
Resent-To: juggling@piggy.cogsci.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Resent-From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Date:         Fri, 03 Apr 92 11:06:45 CDT

************************** JUGGLEPRO 2.0 ******************************
(for IBM PC's or compatibles)

It is finally finished!  This version has eliminated some bugs that I found
in the first one.  It also makes editing more efficient.  The biggest change
is that it incorporates Jack Boyce's generator (j2.exe) by running it as a
child process.  Now you can see what all these strange numbers mean by
watching the balls juggled on the screen.  Other changes:  pattern linking,
async/sync mode, conversions, and better error checking.

This version also comes with a fairly large documentation file, jp.doc.
The executable is no longer jugglepr.exe but jp2.exe for the sake of
brevity.

Also, for those of you having problems with JugglePro 1.0, you may want to
give JugglePro 2.0 a try.  I corrected what I think might have caused
some problems in the graphics initialization.
************************************************************************

Downloading Instructions

1.  ftp piggy.cogsci.indiana.edu
2.  user> anonymous
3.  password> <any pw>
4.  cd pub
5.  cd juggling
6.  cd programs
7.  cd ibm-pc
8.  cd jugglepro
9.  binary
10. mget *.BGI             (you will need these for graphics)
11. mget *.exe             (this should get j2.exe and jp2.exe)
12. ascii
13. mget *.hlp             (6 help files)
14. mget *.doc             (jp.doc and j2.doc)
15. get 3person            (if this doesn't work try: get 3person 3person.a
                            or simply type the 3 lines in yourself from
                            j2.doc)
16. quit                   (you can try running jp2 now if you want but
                            you will not have any pattern files to load)

17. Create patterns subdirectory if you don't already have it by
    typing:  md patterns  at the DOS prompt.

    Make sure the following files end up in the patterns subdirectory.

18. Repeat steps 1-8 to get to the JugglePro subdirectory on piggy.
19. cd patterns
20. binary
21. mget *.hnd
22. ascii
23. mget *.pat
24. mget *.gen
25. quit

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro

email: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
       ap.6345@layout.berkeley.edu

usmail: RR2 Box 645 Rolla, MO 65401
phone: (314) 364-7536
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: noel@reg.triumf.ca (NOEL)
Subject: Re: JugglePro 2.0
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:31:00 GMT

In article <4792@umriscc.isc.umr.edu>, ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens) writes...
> 
>Many of you have unix accounts and will find it much easier to download the  
>tarred jugglepro which is also on piggy now.  I admit I am new to this so I'm  
>not the person to ask about how to do this...maybe Terry can help.
> 
>-Ed Carstens
>Creator of JugglePro

	Would it be possible to also post the jugglepro package in another
archive format such as zip, zoo, or arc, as the tar format is not the greatest
if your not in unix and not going directly to a pc either?.  I use a VAX/VMS
system for intermediate host and FTP access and transfering direct executing 
ibmpc binaries is a hassle with the VMS file structure and I haven't yet been 
able to properly unpack the tar file with either PC or VMS based TAR utilities.
Any hints or further recommendations welcome.  I'm a programmer/amateur
juggler and I really want to see jugglepro work.   Thanks in advance!

					Hope to see you all in Montreal
	
						Noel 
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: misc. juggling
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:59 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@piggy.cogsci.indiana.edu"

 I don't know about the grossest object, but some years ago the flying K's
told me after a show that the object that they hated the most in the challenge
juggle was a raw fish because: a. it's fairly common (though not as common as
chains or slinkies, which they get so often that they have canned jokes to
go with them) b. the audience often chooses it, c. it's hard to catch, and
d. the bones tend to make sharp cuts on their hands.

 All of us who went to the Eugene convention are showing our age. Wasn't that
the convention where Art Jennings did his final performance? and where the
"balls" competition (the competitions were divided up by props then) had 20
entrants? and where a performer named Bob Gear did an extremely funny spoof
of magic and juggling? or is my memory fading in my old age?

 Aside to Ed Carstons: I speak to Claude Shannon occasionally, since he lives
near here. His memory is fading somewhat, but he seems interested in site
swaps (he's in his 70's, and when he's introduced to people at information
theory conferences, is often greeted with "I thought you were dead")

 Aside to Chis Majka: Speaking of whatever happened to Lheith, whatever
happened to Lloyd Timberlake? I slept on his floor the first time I went to
England years ago, and even went the old Covent Garden juggling club once.

 Aside to AB: I went to the UCL club a few weeks ago, but you weren't there.
I had fun showing off numbers and helping some guys do their first 10 club
feed, however. 

Arthur Lewbel     Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: scott@ferrari.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: The Mill's Mess question
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: scott@crl.labs.tek.com
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR

In article <1992Apr17.163018.977@wuecl.wustl.edu> jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:
.Hi. It's me again.  I am having a small dispute about Mill's Mess with a friend
.of mine.  I learned this trick from watching a friend for a minute or so.  He
.performed it by making a slow chop with one of the balls and then throwing it 
.back to the same hand, repeating on the other side simultaneously.  It looks
.similar to chops in slow motion, or perhaps a one-two pattern with two balls
.appearing to go up and down slowly and the other appearing on either side
.alternatingly.  Is this even close to being right?  Or is my friend correct
.in saying that your arms and hands never go up and down but remain "flat"?

It's a matter of style.  The ideal Mill's Mess (IMO) has the hands crossing
back and forth without much of the vertical motion in a chop.  In half of
a Mill's Mess, balls 1 is thrown across, ball 2 follows ball 1 in the
same path, and ball 3 is thrown in a column from the same point as balls
1 and 2.
--
Scott Huddleston
scott@crl.labs.tek.com
From: bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Eleven balls (was Re: 3 ball Guiness attempt, MIT video night)
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:59:50 GMT
	<1992Apr5.220507.1498@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

C. Frog writes:
>>(BTW remember Joey Jordon's 11 ball record attempt on some game show??)
> 
>No.  Is this for real?  I know of very few people who have ever attempted
>11 balls.  If there is a video tape I would *really* like to find it (I
>am a numbers nut).  How many catches did he make?  No one has actually made
>22 catches yet, right?

Right.  But there's a guy named Bruce Serafian who's working on it!  I
met Bruce at the '91 Atlanta Groundhog's fest, and then saw him again at
St. Louis and then recently again at Atlanta.  He's from Florida.

He can flash 11, and seems to do so about once per practice!  He has it
on video tape, and says that Gene Jones has a copy, and that Guinness
may include it. I believe Bill Giduz took a photo (not while juggling)
for the next JW. His best with 9 is about 35 catches, and he seems to
have good control with 10.  He is of the philosophy that one should try
tricks at the highest level possible in order to expand one's limits,
and thus has taken a few good shots at flashing 12!  He uses small Prop
Shop bags, and is quite strong in the upper body to begin with.

(By the way, I hate to be presumptuous enough to speak so much for
someone else, but I believe he doesn't have an account, and he's very
modest about his juggling anyway.)

I think he said he could do 5 about three years ago, when he decided to
start working on numbers.  Since I saw him about a year ago, his seven
has gone from ok to solid, and his nine from flashing it to qualifying
it.  He says he'll compete in Numbers eventually, but he doesn't want to
do it until he feels really comfortable with 9!  Keep an eye out for him
at the next convention.  I'm not sure if he said he could make it to
Montreal, but he'll be the guy flashing 11 on the side somewhere!

-Ben
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (Slow-Children@Play)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: ?-Lake Forest
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.185759.18667
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In reviewing hardcopy versions of the Lake Forest announcement for
some offnet people requesting them, I noticed no price has been
announced.  There is, however, mention of a $15 savings if
registration occurs before May 1st...when someone has a firm
financial #, could they please announce it?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:52:39 GMT

v347jqdy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Albert B Hanneman) writes:
> It's not an issue of pack it in, pack it out.  They just don't have the
> room.  Of course if you want to be really picky I guess they could send
> their garbage back to the supply ships right after they pick up supplies

	Yes, I really want to be picky.  On the other hand, calling it
being picky rather trivializes the whole issue.  Just because it's not
convenient to take your trash home with you doesn't mean you have a license
to be a pig and dump it over the side.  Neither does wearing a uniform.

	On the other hand, I really can't see why there is any reason not
to dump natural, non-toxic, biodegradable, organic waste (i.e. food scraps
and sewage) over the side on the open seas, far enough away from the
nearest coast that it doesn't wash up on the beach (25 miles?  100 miles?)
By their very nature, these are the things that are the most complicated to
store (i.e. they smell bad) and the least harmful to the environment (i.e.
you're not putting anything into the water that's not already there).
Dumping them over the side gives you just that much more room to store the
plastic and other non-biodegradable waste that shouldn't be dumped.  Of
course, the real answer is to generate less non-biodegradable waste in the
first place, but that's another story.
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Ken White, Harris Computer
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:07:04 GMT

Sorry to waste bandwidth. Ken--can't get mail to you. Mike Hughes is in
Jacksonville or St. Augestine. Email to 75766.1455@compuserve.com

-John Hughes
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:39:55 GMT

paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:


>>Good product,  any other cheap water proof grease like Lubriplate should work

>Please elaborate.  Assuming pretoleum based products, would not any
>oil or grease be "water proof" simply due to the naure of water
>and grease, i.e. they do not mix?

Not mixing is not the same as not washing out.  I guess all greas is "water proof",
in the sense that water won't make it not grease, but some lubes are more easily displaced
by water than others.


cheers,
-gb-
Newsgroups: rec.boats



   Every outboard I've owned had a plug which could be pulled to flush
the power head.  The more recent ones have had a convenient location for
it on the outside.  The dealers sell a neat little quick disconnect for 
flushing.  Ask a local dealer, I'd be surprised if your motor didn't
have that capability.

              Thatch


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.213601.16700@a.cs.okstate.edu>, hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:
> 
> 
> >> Would it be best to siphon the tank and start with fresh gas??
> >
> >Yes.
> 
> Then what do you do with the old gas?  I have about 8 gallons of old
> gas I siphoned out of a old truck.  The local landfill doesn't want it;
> the city doesn't want it; no service station wants it; the fire department
> probably doesn't want it around my house; so what do you do with it?
> 
> It seems everyone will take motor oil, transmission fluid, and antifreeze,
> but no one will take gas.

Put it in your car; It'll be mixed with the other gas, and burn OK.  Not
something I'd do regularly, but once a year won't hurt anything.  You
might filter it through cheesecloth, to remove any particulates, though.

-Pete
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Spring Work
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:54:04 GMT

paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:

>> quoting me

>>This is *great* advice.  It applies not only to the coupling/shaft connection
>>but to the coupling bolts as well.  In fact, it is good mechanical practice
>>to use either never-seize or thread adhesive like loctite on all fasteners.
>>On aluminum spars this makes all the difference with steel fasteners, without
>>it the aluminum will elctrolyze and immobilize the fastener within a few
>>years at most.

>Re: never-seez and loctite, Is the above statement really what
>was intended?  These two products perform essentially opposite
>tasks;  never-seez makes it soe the bolt will come out again,
>loctite makes it so the bolt may never come out again.  I hae
>(ahem) have seen steel bolts loctite'd into aluminum (it was a
>motorcycle engine) that when remoeved, the aluminum threads
>came out with the steel bolt.  This was not pleasant.  When
>you loctite something together (with "red" grade) be sure that
>you really want it together forever.

You are correct.  Choose the thread goop with the application in mind.
Where you want easy dissasemmbly or can use a lock washer, 
use never-seize.  Where you want the fastener to stay put, use Loctite.  
For fasteners which cannot be mechanically locked in an adequate fashion 
but which you anticipate wanting to pull someday use the soft Loctite.

There are a lot of cases around a boat, like fastener high on the mast,
which you *really* want to secure.  A little dab of thread compound can
really save you a lot of grief down the road.

I did not mean to say that there is one solution for every problem. 
However, both Loctite and never-seize will inhibit corrosion and
electrolysis from immobilizing the fastener.

cheers,
-gb-
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Question on Batteries
Date: 31 Mar 92 18:55:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167BBC3FC.STU
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <skipa.701997067@milton>
skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson) writes:
 
>
>Last Fall I purchased a "new" Trojan deep-cycle battery from a
 
>recommend?  Water or electrolye?
>
 
Water.  All lead/acid batteries liberate some hydrogen on chargen and some
oxygen on discharge - this is made up from the water you add from time to
time.  If a l/e battery is fully charged and continues on charge, it liberates
both oxygen and hydrogen simultaneously - with sometimes "popping" results.
 
You must add water to a battery periodically - a deap cycle uses more water if
it is cycled to run lights and stuff rather than kept nearly fully charged
as an automotive or power boat battery might be.  /Stu Bell
From: bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:14:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

We just recieved an invitation to cruise in the British Virgin Islands July
7-17.  Various postings have appeared in this group related to the BVI that
I did not save, but would now find quite useful.
 If we can go, we will start from Tortolla in a Bennetau 43 chartered by
others from an individual rather than from a charter company (e.g.Moorings).
We will need to provision before we leave and need recommendations on whether
local supermarkets are likely to be available.  Route info would also be
appreciated, as well as favorite anchorages.
 Please e-mail me directly if you feel that the subject has been covered
sufficiently in recent postings.  Thanks for your help.
From: drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:59:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories



I am fairly new to this thing they call "boating", and I 
have a questions about the old gas in the tank.  When I got
the little goodies I needed for winter storage (cleaners,
oil, mildew stopper, etc), a couple of people in the store
told me to make sure I filled the gas tank up before storage.
Then of course they sold me some gas additives.  A couple of 
people from my boat club told me the same thing.  So, I filled
the tank (100+) gallons and put in the additives.  But from 
what I am reading in this group I'm not sure if I did the
right thing.  I believe the reasoning behind it was to prevent
condensation.

Did I do the right thing or what ??

	Thanks
	Bob Wisnack
	wis@max.att.com
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: America's cup on-board camera operation
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:04:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.340
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <17467.29e5be84@ecs.umass.edu> jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>I've been getting racing fever from watching the AC races.
>I was wondering if someone "in the know" can comment on how
>the on-board cameras work.  They seem to be pretty good at
>tilting and rotating to keep the horizon fairly level.
>
>Jonathan Welch  VAX Systems Programmer  Umass/Amherst  jhwelch@ecs.umass.edu

although I am not certain about the on-board cameras I did find out about the
new camera boat. It was specially designed and has large keels (2) for
stability. The camera is mounted on an arm that looks like a davit. The camera
itself is inside an actuated ball that is gimballed and remotely controled.
They have a heliocopter that stays above the camera boat and acts as a
relay station. It stays higher that the other heliocopters that film and
has a bright orange bottom. I didn't find out what kind of link is used
between the chopper and the camera boat.

If more specific info is wanted I have a connection with the makers of some of
the special gear (including the boat) and can probably get answers to specifics.

-grego
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From: barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats (NO)
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:48:54 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	Just want to add my vote to the no split camp.  While I currently
own two powerboats (anybody want one of 'em?) and my folks also only have
power right now, I also enjoy sailing and am an alternate crew member during
our racing season here for two sailing rigs.  So I'm interested in both.
Items related to navigation, etc. are of interest to all.  Items which are re
legislation, or otherwise "broad band" are of interest to all.  I ignore 
the stuff I don't care about, and read the stuff I do, kind of like I was
reading NEWS or something...
	db
From: blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Hallberg-Rassy info wanted
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:44:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr13.164434.13905
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I am interested in any comments on these boats, there are a couple in
my area for sale.  The one most likely (price wise) is a 1976 35 foot
sloop. I sail mostly in the San Francisco Bay.

Are the older ones of sound construction?  How well do they point?  How
well do they hold up?

Just about any experiences or comments are welcome.  Email and I'll post 
if there is interest.  Thanks,

Matt Blake
blake@nas.nasa.gov
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:34:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: progress.1992Apr13.163429.18918
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>carrying in excess of 4000 people.

I intend no flammage but please think about this.  This is the traditional
approach that says, "Well, what do we do with the trash of an entire city
of  eight million, I dunno, let's throw it in the sea."  or "Shit, we've got
this red-hot reactor core to get rid of, where do we put it?  Hell, deepsix it!".

Large ships can compact or incinerate their trash.  It's just cheaper to
put it over the side.  Consider that everything that becomes trash was once
stowed in another form like packaging or food.  There was space for it then
and it probably is no bigger or heavier after use.

The fact is there is thousands of years of seafaring tradition
behind ocean dumping.  IMO, this needs to change.  

cheers,
-gb-
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:36:51 GMT
Organization: The Treefort
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article <SMITTIE.92Apr10124107@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>carrying in excess of 4000 people.

Throwing it overboard may be the easiest way to get rid of the trash, but it
isn't an acceptable.  This thread began when someone claimed that the Navy had
ways of separating and condensing trash for re-cycling.  It appears as if this
doesn't actually happen based on the first hand accounts of several posters,
myself included.  The oceans are not our personal trash can!  If the Navy
can't manage its trash it shouldn't be setting off to sea with 4000 people.

Dudley
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Newsgroups: rec.boats