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From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Amnesia 2, Bullshit ! No Dave Angel !
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:26:36 GMT


Just some inside news from a DJ who is pissed off with todays Melbourne
parties that are just plain rip offs:


1.	On Tuesday I rang R&S records to book CJ Bolland for the HARDWARE
	NEW YEARS EVE PARTY. It Looks good !! BUT, I asked them if Dave
	Angel was looking forward to playing here on Saturday (29th) at
	Amnesia 2. And to my surprise (not really as Ollie is a rip off)
	they said he was not coming.

2.	I thenh asked how long this was valid and they said "about 4 weeks
	ago"

3.	So Amnesia 2 put the flyers out without any intentions of having
	dave Angel play so they charge $30 max to get in !

4.	I rang Assaaf (Ollie's ex-partner) who is never working with Ollie
	again and he says "I told Ollie not to do it. We can actually have
	Dave Angel if we want but we don't have money for the Airfare and Visa"

5.	So why the fuck are these people doing parties ??????

THEREFORE,  D A V E    A N G E L   I S   N O T   P L A Y I N G

So, dont go !!!

I hear you say "Well why is this dickhead working for them ???" 

well, I signed a contract and this is the last one for me. Never again.

Save the Rave. Don't waste money on Dodgey Productions !!!!!!!!!

Richie "Rich" Mc Neill
From: ee3401cb@carina.unm.edu (Student Class Account)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: XDZ Top 10
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:59:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug28.185839.9367@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>XDZebra's Top Ten Artists and/or Albums
>
>6. LFO. Vocorders gone crazy.  Yet another one man band who produces some of
>the best techno available.  Very well known, but frustratingly hard to
>acquire, his releases are true gems in my stack.

I generally agree with your list, however I am a bit puzzled by this one.
Are you talking about the Warp! lable LFO?  If so then it is definitely
NOT a one man band (there are two of them).  Also, I would say that LFO
are one of the easiest techno bands to acquire in the US.  I think
that comment would have made more sense when describing the Future Sound
od London.

Actually, after hearing "The Void Dweller" I think I would delete LFO
from the list and add Eon.  He's (Ian B.) somewhere around 7 or 8 on my list.

James
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: gcf@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (graham Freeland )
Subject: Re: Hard Wax
Followup-To: alt.rave
Summary: Techno and all that Jazz
Originator: gcf@newton
Keywords: US techno, New Jazz
Organization: Signal Processing Division, University of Strathclyde. Glasgow
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:57:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.234138.24898@athena.mit.edu> you write:
>In article <1992Aug31.170006.2678@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> gcf@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (graham Freeland ) writes:
>>
>>Locally, the Dr. Kevorkian's Suicide Machine EP is labelled as 
>>`by' Underground Resistance, who I believe either have or are
>>about to release an LP, "Revolution For Change". Having not 
>>heard the above EP as yet, a brief description?
>>
>   My copy has the 'Hard Wax' symbol on it.  The inner circle label has
> a picture of Mephisto (I believe) on both sides.  There are three mixes
> two of which are fairly similar and the other is a distillation of the
> other two.  I'd call this track spooky, as if you quickly slinking through
> a haunted house with a unseen zombie not far behind.  Also there is
> some nice noisy frequencies that ebb and flow throughout the track.  Kind
> of hard to describe otherwise, no goofy samples and some progression.
>

Cheers!

>>> P.S. When you need a break from the Orb try Coltrane's 'Meditations'.
>>
>>It's at this point I'm inclined to say, "Forget the Orb, go straight to 
>>Coltrane...and Ornette...and Don Cherry...all the false promises of Acid
>>Jazz".                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^
>  What do you mean by this last phrase?  Surely Coltrane/Coleman are not
> in any way associated with Acid Jazz...SQUONK
>
> -Chris Teixeira

Whooh, I now see how it could easily be misread! For one I don't think 
`Acid Jazz' literally promised anything but it had the opportunity of, 
not necessarily bringing JAZZ into clubs through the back door, but
of at least developing a more obviously danceable (saleable?withoutsellingout) 
version of the Coltrane/Coleman progression. Instead it entrenched deeper 
into its original course of tiresome fusion. Any revisionism that came 
about with the popular acceptance of the Orb etc applyed more to Pink Floyd
et al rather than Coleman, who, sure as hell would not appear out of place
on the more experimental techno. At a brief glance it seems like the
later is content to stay electronically underground (maybe because
it's strongly expanding, for better or worse, and doesn't need or want
to look around) and the former, Jazz, too lazily aligns itself with
the limpest forms of funk (even a number of the original Harmolodicians
have recently released tired wallcreaping crap, including `Blood' 
Ulmer/Tacuma) or currently (but at least not so lazily), at the opposite 
extreme, Thrash and Metal (Zorn/Painkiller etc). 

Derrick May and Ornette Coleman could use each other to great advantage.

Graham Freeland.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Subject: Re: The music and the drug are separate things!!!
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:55:42 GMT


>Of course many people get off on the music (me included), but when you go to
>a rave and 80 % of the people are tripping/e-ing then I suppose this is an
>issue, whether the drugs are good or bad. The newsgroup is called
>alt.rave, not alt.rave.music or alt.techno so therefore isn't anything to
>do with raves applicable to this newsgroup???

If it's true that 80% of the people at raves are tripping, well, then I know
why 90% of all Techno music sucks. I recently received a tape from a DJ-
friend in England, and I'm seriously starting to think that Techno WILL kill 
itself if it doesn't become more creative than it is today.

>I really don't believe that anyone has to take drugs to like the music. How 
>could anyone in the rave scene not like the music if it is really good?
>People take drugs because people wanna take drugs. Plus it helps to keep
>popping at 7am! The music just happens to enhance the chemical experience!

You say that "the music just happens to enhance the chemical experience". 
Does this mean that the drugs come first, and the music second? If yes, my 
argument concerning shitty Techno is supported quite well.

As I understand it, drugs reduce (remove) your critical senses quite a bit. 
Which means that (80% of the) people at a rave probably can't differ one 
tune from another (depending on how tripped out they are, of course).

The question is therefore, how do tripping people know a GOOD tune from a 
BAD tune?

Oivind (oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no)

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From: st10t@jane.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Mixing Music
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug24.224333.5118@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes...
>>: How about "Hoo.. yeah.. Hoo.. yeah" from Rob Base's "It takes two"?
>>
>>And THIS is even a sample from something/one else ... I'm not sure where,
>>though.
>>
> 
>"Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins, available on the PolyGram album
>_James Brown's Funky People_.  There are numerous samples lifted from
>that song, including the vocals "It takes two to make a thing go right,
>it takes two to make it out of sight" and "You'd better--" ["Think" by
>Information Society].  ...
[...]

Could this be the same thing as Aretha Franklin's singing part in "Blue's
Brothers" movie -> "You betta think... think about whatchya tryin ta do ta me!"
and she's dancing around the little diner she works in.. ???
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Wanda & Psudo KLF are Coming to Austin also, advance reviews please!
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:30:06 GMT
Organization: WeasElectro Productions: Television/Movies/Comics

alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace) writes:

> Well it also helps that I have a personal thing against the cocaine-
> selling, butt-pinching, flaming in-your-face faggot of a club owner that
> is arranging this thing. 

Hey Alex -- keep this bigoted dog vomit to yourself.  Nobody's impressed.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: New Ambiant
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:30:47 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:

> Blue Pearl is Durga McBroom + Youth.  They had a hit 2 years ago with
> "Naked In The Rain" which was okay, but the rest of the stuff they've
> made is boring soul dance rock.

I thought that _Blue Pearl_ (their first album) was pretty decent, the
inane "Naked In The Rain" notwithstanding.  It's a lot more soul-diva than
ambient-house, though.  Something like +1 on the modified Erland scale (-5/+5). 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Frankie say RELAX
From: st10t@jane.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Mixing Music
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Well, glad nobody has said "Shouldn't this topic be in alt.mixing, or 
alt.copyright?"
(if there exists such newsgroups, I have no idea)

But, back to the copyright (of samples) issue:

Messiah's "Temple of Dreams" has excerpts (dia/monologue) from
the movie "Running Man."  Now, I could have said things like
"Who loves you, and who do you love?!" and make it sorta sound 
like Richard Dawson (from the movie), but I'm sure the Messiah
him/her/themself took it directly from the movie;
So, does this require permission from the movie company (CarolCo is it?)

Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: James MARS ... is dead.
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:43:27 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Keywords: MARS  103.1 FM

In article <1992Aug25.005904.12918@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:
>Spoke to Don Bolles, erstwhile MARS 103.1 FM DJ, last night at the local
>noisefest featuring Zeni Geva and Crash Worship.
>
>He said that the woman who had been hired from some easy-listening MOR
>station - and who had been the person to originally completely banish Techno
>from the station, until massive protests brought it back - has, once again,
>decided to not only banish Techno, but to completely change the format of
>the station to "soft Jazz", as Don put it.

  For anyone who cares... her name is Luz Guzman. Last Wednesday was the last
day that 103.1 was truely MARS-FM. Apparently Luz was not the only reason the 
station is changing formats. The owner (can't recall his name) said that he
has finally run out of money. He ran the station for a little over a year and
was still operating in the red. As of Wednesday, all of the DJ's were fired
and the format is supposed to change on/around September 1 to 'easy listening'.
While the station is still broadcasting alternative/techno there are no DJ's
except for the half-hourly 'Continuous Music on 103.1 KSRF/KOCM' and the
regular comercials of course.
  LA Weekly hit the nail on the head (IMHO) when they said (in reference to
the month-long techno ban) that the marketing people at the station were not
targeting advertisers that aimed at the stations audience. The example they
gave was getting the beer companies rather than Evian and other bottled water
companies to advertise. At raves most people can be seen drinking bottled
water... not beer, and this is the station's audience. Likewise, none of the
clothing labels like Jive were ever contacted about buying comercial time 
either. The marketing people just didn't have a clue about who or what they
were selling.

>measly 2 hour "Move" show on KXLU Friday nights), MARS' Techno coverage was
>always welcome and sometimes enlightening.  I will surely miss it when it's
>gone.
>
>MARS FM, 1991-1992
>R.I.P.
>
>	- Greg
>
>P.S. And FUCK radio program directors, radio "Consultants" et al., up the ass!

 I too will miss MARS. I remember that day in late May of last year when it 
first went on the air. It was a refreshing change from KROQ and had much better
DJ's - once Egil jumped ship to MARS. It's also ironic that MARS should die 
after Time Magazine just finished writing an article on it. Anybody see/read
the article? I just heard about it and haven't seen it.
-Daniel
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From: dav@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (David A Schurig)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: E=NRG...is it happening?
Date: 30 Aug 1992 01:48:56 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
Distribution: ca
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One of the ticket outlets for this rave, Temecula Tickets, quit
selling and is offering refunds.  Is this thing on, or what? If
someone knows could they respond sooon!


dav
(619) 558-2082
From: ccsteve@cybaswan.UUCP (s marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Creating techno
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: ccsteve@pyr.swan.ac.uk (s marshall)

I know this subject, has been covered briefly in the mixing thread, but
what I'm looking for is a bit of more detailed info. I'm really interested
in getting myself some equiptment to produce techno sounds. The kind of
thing I'm into making would be ambient stuff ala Orb,LFO (frequencies ) etc.
and fast hardcore stuff. What I need to know is what kind of kit I'll need
for this. All I want at the moment is a basic set up which will allow me
to start creating, but which I can expand upon as my wallet allows. At the
moment I've been mucking about on a PC with a DAC which I built, and 
producing some tunes which have been well recieved by friends who i've
played them to, but the sound quality is v. poor. Also being restricted
to only using samples is frustrating. I'm currently writing a sample creator
which will allow me to generate samples, add envelopes etc.
So what do people recommend for an initial set up. I'd like to know brands
prices etc. If I get a good response from this I'll post a summary, since
I'm sure there must be others out there with the tunes in their heads
that they want to get out. 
Keep dancing....

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: The Orb
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:21:15 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

danm@grumpy.watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe) writes:

> How does the [UK] Ultraworld Double CD differ from [the US] Adventures
> Beyond? 

The UK CDs have two more tracks ("Back Side Of The Moon" and "Spanish
Castles In Space", each of which is about fifteen minutes long) and
longer mixes of "Perpetual Dawn" (9:30 vs. 3:48) and "Star 6 & 7 8 9"
(8:10 vs. 4:23).

All told there's about forty minutes more music on the UK version of the
album than the US version.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Frankie say RELAX
From: ghond@acca.nmsu.edu (ICE-9)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: I have seen God and his name is The Aphex Twin
Keywords: Aphex Twin
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:44:53 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

If you like "Digeridoo", get "The Horn Track" NOW.

They mix really well, both being ethnic of origin, fast, funky,
and have ambient bits which mix great together -- they're in the
same key, even. :)

Oh yeah, shameless plug:  My band (I.C.E) is on a compilation
called "Here Come the Sound Pirates" (Intrepid/Capitol).  You
tossers in the U.S. can probably get it as a Canadian import.
It's mostly slower bpms, groovy (trance?) stuff, not particularly
hardcore techno (our two tracks clock in at 100bpm and 115bpm).
Tell me whatcha think.

-- sfw, opinionated bastard mode off
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From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Mars 103.1 is dead
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:10:37 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <RSLAU.92Sep1223028@tarazed.usc.edu> rslau@usc.edu (Robert Lau) writes:
>
>A coworker and I were talking about something like this today.  Not a whole
>radio station, but maybe a 4 hour show, heck even 1 hour, on a local station
>during the graveyard slot, 2am to 6am...  sorta like Don's All-Night Truck
>Driver's show.  True, the listenership will be small, but at least this stuff
>will still be on the air.  Maybe the Swede himself might want to help.  :)
>

  Well, I wasn't going to mention this, but since you brought it up... Some
sort of Techno show is in the works. I don't know all of the details as I 
just happened to be at the right place at the right time to overhear the
relevant conversation. This is what I found out.
  Chuck from Hyde Park Corner (he was a freq. guest on MARS' Import Show) is
attempting to line up a Techno show on a local radio station. I don't know
if he plans to do it on KROQ or one of the college stations like KUCI or what.
Anyway he wants to get something around a 11:00pm or midnight time slot. He
said that he was planning on sending out a letter to this station sometime 
soon (possibly this week) about getting together with the station manager
or program director. While it wouldn't be easy he seems to think that it 
shouldn't be too difficult to obtain sponsers and what-not. As he put it, 
"I've pretty much done all the work and would be presenting them [the
radio station] with a complete package... They wouldn't have to do a thing
except give me a time slot. The sponsers will already have been booked and
everything." MARS-FM already proved that there is a market out there. And
since Chuck runs a record store, he knows who the audience is (as opposed
to the idiots that killed MARS in the Marketing dept.) And apparently has 
even approached some sponsors with his idea. I wish him the best of luck,
and hope he gets it on a station that my radio can recieve!
-Daniel

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From: Scott_Velez@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Velez)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: FAQ
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:42:38 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Is there a FAQ for this group?

 Scott

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: The Orb
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:40:35 GMT

In <37519@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> sbranson@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Orbital) writes:
>Also, I recently purchased the Orb Ultraworld Double CD. Mine came
>in a cardboard sleeve, similar to the Blue Room Single, with a
>gatefold CD case. Are they all like this, or are some in jewell
>boxes? Jus' wonderin'.

I've always heard of them packaged like that.

My solution was to convince Kinko's that I really WAS only making one
color copy of the sleeves for personal use, and then cut the copies up to
insert into spare jewelboxes.  Works pretty well, and would be even better
if I could cut a straight line with an Xacto knife.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
        People say that I'm out of touch with reality.  That I'm insane.
    Sometimes I forget things.  Who I am.  Where I am.  Unimportant things.
                       But I'm not insane.  I am a tick.
From: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: CDs Are No Subsitute For Vinyl For DJs
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:28:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin



I find it quite amusing that there are so many totally clueless people who
suppose that professional quality mixes can be produced with CDs alone.  As
far as DJs are concerned, there is absoluely no subsitute for a pair of
1200s and a couple of crates of vinyl.  Period.  

Being a DJ and having a lot of friends in this business, I am quite certain
that even the best pitch control CD players can only supplement a DJs
performance.  Just tonight I was talking to one of my DJ friends and it
turns out that his manager just bought him a Denon 2000, he spent the
afternoon playing with it and has already decided it was a worthless
investment.  The reason?  While beatmixing is the most fundamental of DJ
skills, all experienced professional DJs do much more than merely match the
beats.  There are certain things such as the unique sound created when the
auto-stop button is pushed, the sound the record winding down when power is
switched off, the tricks that can be done with two records that just cant
be duplicated with the CD player.  

I've used one of the CD gadgets on occasion and been in many a booth where
they were in use in clubs in various cities and I've only heard ONE guy
that could really do some interesting things with a Numark dual CD player
but even he preferred to use vinyl.

For all of you consumers out there that want to listen to your favorite
music at home or in the car, buy CDs.  DJs dont have (or want) that option.

Alex Pace
alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: dom@nyx.cs.du.edu (dom)
Subject: Re: break beat
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:44:52 GMT

In article <5229@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade (Rene Walter) writes:
>No, Smart E's is an example of "How to make a stupid record and get 
>remarkably rich with 1 song (and at the same time never being taken serious
>by any DJ again)" type of records,

Sorry I have to correct you there... I've heard Steve Jackson say several
times that Smart E's made no profit from Sesame's Treet, something to do
with The Childrens Television Workshop only clearing the sample if they
took the profits.

~Dom.
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