HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: The Death Car and the Real Story
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:00:12 GMT

In article <96583@netnews.upenn.edu> kbanner@ccat.sas.upenn.edu
(Kenneth J. Banner) writes:
>
>[Hufford] examines a Newfoundland tradition called the "Old
>Hag".  The typical pattern of the story is that a person wakes
>up, has the perception of being clearly awake, but then feels
>as if she or he cannot move.  In addition, there is a feeling
>as if something is pressing down upon them.  The encounter
>usually ends when the person is eventually able to move some
>part of the body or call out.  There are a large variety of
>elments that accompany this experience from being "ridden by
>a Witch" to mysterious personages in the room, out of body
>experiences, etc.  As a part of Newfoundland's folklore
>tradition such stories have been repeated over and over. 
>
>  [death car stuff omitted]
>
>P.S.  O.K.  I can't resist this...Has anyone out there
>ever personally had the kind of experience Hufford
>describes?


  Hmm.  I never really thought this was unusual, but I have this
experience very often.  I've never encountered mysterious personages
in the room or had out-o'-the-body experiences, but fairly frequently
(maybe once a month) I will reach Hufford's semi-awake state, where I
feel very aware, but have no muscular control.  I cannot move or
speak, and usually also have tremendous difficulty breathing.  Usually
it is this feeling of asphixiation that will give me a sudden rush of
adrenaline, and I will finally be able to take a breath and move a
limb.  After that, the feeling leaves very suddenly.

  When I was little, I always thought that this was how people died;
one day, they wouldn't have the strength to make that last gasp, and
so they would suffocate in their sleep.  It's creapy to think of this
in terms of having a witch or ghostly presence sitting on my chest.
*brrrr*


--Raymond Flournoy        
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: thomas@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Thomas Fung)
Subject: a KCR commercial
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:06:04 GMT

I don't know if it is real or not but it's been the most popular 
topic among people in Hong Kong. And here is what happened :
 
There was a commercial by KCR (Kowloon Canton Railway) in which 7 children 
were playing in a forest. Those children were all from Beijing. They lined
up and pretended to be a train. One day someone spotted that the second last 
child have a very pale face. People didn't spot that just because the focus 
was on the child on the front. When the director was asked for this, 
he was surprised becasue there were only six children when he shot the 
film. That means there was an extra child, who until now, nobody knows 
who he was. And a lot of people said that the extra child was jumping 
and with blood flowing out of his mouth during the whole commercial. 
The more terrible thing was when the director looked into the case, 
he found that the two children touching the 'bleeding child' were 
already dead, and all the other children were reported missing.
 

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From: kt1@hera.cc.bellcore.com (tellefsen,karen a)
Subject: Quebecois Were-Horse story
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:52:19 GMT


Here is an unusual, scary folktale (no ghosts) that was told to me
by an aquaintance several years ago. He claimed this actually happened to
a friend of his grandmother, but it is obviously a folktale.

A young woman lived in rural Quebec around the turn of the
century with her poor parents.  Because they were so poor,
she ocasionally worked on nearby farms when they needed extra
labor.  During the harvest, she worked quite late at a farm
several miles from her home.  Because it was dark, the farmer
lent her an old horse and cart to ensure that she got home safely.

Her route home pased through a dark forest, and when she was about
half way through, she saw a dark horse behind her.  It was far enough 
away that she could barely see it, but it followed her home.

The next day, she also worked late.  On her way home, the black 
stallion ran next to the cart and tried to attack her.  She urged
the old cart horse on and barely escaped.

The woman suspected the horse was really her cousin. He was strange
and infatuated with her; she was frightened by him and had rejected
his advances in the past.  She also suspected that he was a witch who
practiced black magic.

The woman borrowed a pistol from one of her brothers.  She then took a
dime and cut it into four pieces. She scribed each piece  with a cross
and loaded them in the pistol.

The next night, the black horse followed her cart as she drove home
from the farm. As he
approached her, she took the pistol and shot at him, wounding his
one of his front legs. The horse screamed and ran away.

The next day, her cousin came to her to apologize. His arm was bandaged
where the horse was injured. She made him promise never to bother her
again and never to practice black magic or she would tell the rest of the
family.

Not a very satisfying ending, but that is how it was told.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 13:29:06 MST
From: <AZKLB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Shy Ghosts
 <1992Nov9.155250.2428@msdhsv.ingr.com>

Well, this really happened in broad daylight!

A friend of mine who lives in Lubbock, Texas is very sensitive to

spiritual essences or ghosts.  There used to be a house where part of

the present parking lot to the Methodist hospital is now.  My friend

parked there once, without thinking about where she was, and she could

feel the presence of a ghost in that very spot.  She told me that years

earlier, some friends of hers had rented a house that stood on that very

spot.  They sensed that there was something strange about the place and

so they asked my friend to come over to check things out.

  She arrived at the house in mid afternoon and rang the doorbell.

her friends answered the door.  She didn't say a word to them but

walked up the stairs to the back bedroom, opened a closet door.  At

the back of the closet was another door and a short stair going to

the attic. She climbed that stair, opened another door, let out a

blood curdling scream and ran out of the house.

  Her friends asked what was wrong.  She said that she had seen in

the attic where a man had hung himself.  He was still there and his

soul would not leave the spot where he died.

  She had never been in that house before and did not return to it

again, but knew, somehow, how to get to the attic.

   She realized, years later, when parking her car, that she was on

the place where that house had stood.


Kristie Butler   azklb@asuacad
From: rhadden@isdres.er.usgs.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: RE: Quebecois Were-Horse story
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:55:51 GMT
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey

The were-horse is an folktale that is common to the Poitou section of France.
It is interesting to see it again in Canada.
From: itlm013@fella.ucdavis.edu (Captain Caveman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: The Death Car and the Real Story
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:48:07 GMT
Distribution: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

I remember reading about the "Night Hag" story in a pscyhological/dream
journal a while ago (months? years? I can't recall).

The person who experiences this is awakened from REM sleep, but the
brain, for some reason, isn't capable of making the jump.  For the
few seconds transition that is necessary, "sleep paralysis," a normal
condition that disconnects motor activity from brain signals (to keep
one from physically acting as if your dreams are real), persists.

The individual feels awake, yet cannot move.  This lack of ability to
move is rationalized, and suddenly a "presence" is felt on the chest
which keeps him or her from moving.

Within a few seconds, the brain and body are fully awake, and complete
control is returned.  I've never had it happen to me, personally, but
I have a couple friends who have, and they described it as very
nervewracking.

Dennis
dfcleary@ucdavis.edu
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Globa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:00:12 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

JD>>              The Brotherhood has on call over 11,000,000 craft the
JD>>      last I heard.

JD>Who they?  Incidentally, wouldn't these 11000000 shiups
JD>have been noticed by
JD>now when they bombed about the solar system?  Or is it just that there's
JD>massive conspiracy on the part of all the astronomers and anybody else wh
JD>happens to look into the sky every now and then to not
JD>let us know about it?

JD>>  They range from 30 foot shuttles (our word for
JD>>      it) to motherships 360 feet long.  One mother carries about 50
JD>>      shuttles.  Then they have ships that are called arks like the
JD>>      seven cities of Shan.  Some ships have names such as Transvaal
JD>>      and one called Phoenix.


You know whats funny this kinda sounds like a SciFi book by Greg Bear
called The Forge of God.

lauren
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From: jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ET Races: (Was: Re: a.a.v. Frequently Asked Questions [1 of 3])
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:55:42 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


In article <1992Nov7.092129.18314@u.washington.edu>, pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov5.191014.9000@raven.alaska.edu> fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A figment of your imagination) writes:
|> >3.01: Aryans (Blondes)
|> >----------------------
|> >Blond Nordic Humanoids who work with the greys. Said to be captured by
|> 
|> You should mention the Centaurian extraterrestrials, who are blond
|> nordic types who come from Alpha Centauri - that's right: the closest
|> 
|> DALs: This is a race of nordic types who come from what is called the

Either Hitler was right, or there is one HELL of a market for peroxide out
there...
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Alien in my laboratory
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.162706.9980@vax.oxford.ac.uk> atmnpt@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>I am a physicist who would like to know more about this
>as I have a friend in my department who I believe is an alien.
>
>I know this sounds absurd, but I have been thinking about this for
>a long time and I believe this to be the case.
>
>What do I do.
>

Be nice to him.
Talk to him.
See if you can learn anything from him.

Jeff-
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Auras
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:34:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com


 In article 69037@cup.portal.com, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com () writes:
> Dear Aura Watchers: I would like to put forth a question to the grand
> and glorious Kathie. Can you see the aura of a person when you see them
> on TV?
> John Winston


Good Question.  I will have to go home and look at the tv and see if I can.

I don't think so, only because and aura can't be photographed by the naked eye.

And who has a good enough tv.  My tv has ghost in it all the time.

Kathie  ;.)
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:50:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


For a long time I've heard all kinds of wild stories about the
Philadelphia Experiment.  Does anyone know the truth?

What exactly was the experiment?
What were the results?
What are the possible interpretations of these results?

Answers anyone?

David
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:15:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov5.122845.25063@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>
  <69036@cup.portal.com> <BxDwCK.DCB@world.std.com>
  <1992Nov9.140932.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>

Dear Little Feet: Boy you Kiboites are too much. 
John Winston. It's good to know that all of your are still out there.
From: x@sound.demon.co.uk (X Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Inde
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:06:20 GMT
Organization: DIS(organised)
ReplyTo: x@sound.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.19 $


In article <memo.708847@cix.compulink.co.uk> steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>Path: sound.demon.co.uk!demon!cix.compulink.co.uk!steveb
>Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
>From: steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Steve Browne)
>Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Inde
>Cc: steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk
>Reply-To: steveb@cix.compulink.co.uk
>Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 00:12:00 +0000
>Message-ID: <memo.708847@cix.compulink.co.uk>
>Sender: usenet@gate.demon.co.uk
>
>> Group: alt.alien.visitors 
>> From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com () 
>> Date: 25/10/92 14:17:49 
>> Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Inde 
>> 
>> Dear Folk: By now you are probubly sick of invisible fish. Sorry about 
>> that. 
>Apologies accepted. :) 
> 
>Steve 
>
>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.scientology,alt.sex,alt.slack
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:53:04 GMT

In article <1766.805.uupcb@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us> dennis.kier@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Dennis Kier)  writes:
>References: <67397@cup.portal.com> [John Hyphen Winston]
>
>>Dear Folks: Please be patient with me. I seem to not be able to post
>>from floopy disk lately.
>
>Well, it must be the space aliens who are helping you out. I have been
>getting 4 copies of every one of your posts. The 2nd and 4th ones are a
>little distorted at the end.

And you know what's REALLY weird?  Every one of John's postings has the
"Bigfoot" subject misspelled in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!

Here's my trn tree for the thread:

T10071:

[1] Bigfootf spaceman?

  ( )+-( )--( )--( )--( )--( )--(1)--(1)--(1)--(1)
     |-( )--(1)+-(1)--(1)
     |         \-(1)
     |-(1)+-(1)--(1)
     |    \-(1)--(1)--(1)
     |-(1)
     |-(1)
     |-(1)
     |-(1)
     |-(1)+-(1)--(1)
     |    \-(1)--(1)--(1)+-(1)--(1)--(1)+-(1)--(1)--(1)--(1)
     |                   |              \-(1)--(1)--(1)
     |                   |-(1)
     |                   \-(1)--(1)--(1)
     |-(1)--(1)
     |-(1)
     \-(1)--(1)--(1)
 -(1)
 -(1)

Eachf of those (1)s or ( )s is an articlef with that samef mispellingf.

							-- Ki_-_bo
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:43:13 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <11256@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.160042.25890@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (Hail Eris) writes:
> |> 
> |> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars observer will
> |> verify that and the existence of other artifacts.
> |> 
> 
> Well, that's really silly.  Why would anyone in their right mind carve faces
> in the side of a mountain??

Especially of US presidents.

-- 

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Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:03:20 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

DT>Next time, John, have that string tied to a switch that can trigger a
DT>camera, and put a camera with a flash and a wide angle lens in the tree
DT>to cover the area.  That way you know if it was a ten year old Boy Scout
DT>with his Scout staff or a Sasquatch that collected the bait.

DT>If it is a Sasquatch, it probably won't know what a camera is and
DT>probably won't disturb your equipment. If the camera and the apples are
DT>missing, I think you can postulate a member of homo sapiens with a stick
DT>:-).

DT>Ok - so use a cheap camera!

DT>Then you can digitize the photos, uuencode them, and post them to the
DT>newsgroup :-).


Doug don't you know that it as an law of nature that cameras are never
ever around when you need them?

Lauren
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From: fretts@willee.enet.dec.com (Carole Fretts)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: From: nmt@NSA
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:33:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <1dh6ipINNcnn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt) writes...

Are you the *real* Lestat de Lioncourt, the love of my life? ;^)

Carole
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:52:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



   What is Bill Clinton position on the UFO activities and the
government of the USA?  Has anybody ever put the question to him?
-- 
            
	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com

  "No creature with the right values is an alien to me."
						John Salter
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: chris@qmary.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: ********
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:12:47 GMT

!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Belgium UFO
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Nov8.172838.12537@tamsun.tamu.edu>, cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost) writes...
>I fowarded an article describing very objectivly the Belgium UFO to 
>sci.military and asked if they had any aircraft that matched that description. 
>Well, it seems that it is moderated from within the Pentagon.  The article was 
>not allowed on.  It seems that the government does have 
>something to hide here.  Speculations?
> 
>Later!
>C J Rogers

Good Lord,
  Some people can find a conspiracy under every rock. I don't blame the Pentagon for
moderating their group. Just look at the activity and opinions expressed within this
group and a person can understand why.
									Jim

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       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras auras everywhere
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:47:20 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69038@cup.portal.com> <69070@cup.portal.com> <69322@cup.portal.com>

Dear Aura Observers: The ability to read the aura for past lives is 
called giving a person a life reading.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: miller_jh@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: rapture
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:35:41 GMT

In article <40f402r=29ww01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nmt@NSA writes:
> In article <16951@mindlink.bc.ca>, Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) writes:
>> 
>>         Hey, I've experienced the rapture, (excuse me) the RAPTURE several
>> times and I didn't have to wait for Oct. 28.  Many of us modern folk call it
>> orgasm and it can be heavenly and almost as good as the second coming.  :)
>> Colleen
>> --
>> It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
>> The Crimson Bunion
> 
>      Hey you, DEVIL WORSHIPER!!!!!
> 
>      At least show some respect regarding other people's belief.  I personally
> never believed that the rapture would occur on the 28th of October.  But, 
> if that is what others believed, I just leave it at that.  THERE HAS TO BE 
> A LIMIT FOR EVERYTHING.  THERE ARE CERTAIN SUBJECTS THAT ONE CAN NOT JOKE
> ABOUT, and religious belief is certainly one of them.
>      Maybe your parents never taught you anything, but being an adult (or are
> you?????) you should know better than joking in such trashy manner.  Perhaps
> you are just too modern that there is no more moral value left in your head
> which probably is already full of garbage and trash.
>      BE SILENT YOU IMMORAL FOOL!!!!!  I despised creatures like you.  It must
> be creatures like you that create and promote the immorality in the society
> to day, and poison the minds of the youngs.
DESPISE? IMMORAL FOOL? LIMITS FOR EVERYTHING? I SUSPECT A LACK OF A SENSE OF
HUMOR AND PERSPECTIVE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE IN COMMON WITH
CHRIST, WHO did HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR AND RESPECT FOR THE FREEDOM OF WILL OF
EVEN APOSTATES. THANK "GOD" THAT HELL IS your ULTIMATE DESTINATION, WHERE YOU,
JERRY FALWELL, PAT ROBERTSON, PAT BUCHANAN AND OTHER FOOLS WHO THINK they SPEAK
FOR CHRIST CAN ALL SCRATCH YOUR PIN-HEADS IN CONFUSION AS TO WHY IN HEAVE




Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: trondk_l@gribb.hsr.no (Lindanger, Trond K.    8-94)
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:37:46 GMT

In article <thumper.721279259@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> thumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Mojica) writes:
>From: thumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Mojica)
>Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:20:59 GMT

>cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) writes:


>>For a long time I've heard all kinds of wild stories about the
>>Philadelphia Experiment.  Does anyone know the truth?

>>What exactly was the experiment?
>>What were the results?
>>What are the possible interpretations of these results?

>>Answers anyone?


>Well David go checkout the book

> The Philadelphia Experiment, Project Invisibility:
> By  William L. Moore

>I found this book to be very informative on the subject.

>Chris


YES! If you are interested in The Philadelphia Experiment, this book is 
really informative. 
There is also a film about the subject, but this shouldn't be 
taken serious. By the way: have anyone heard anything further. Are 
there still people doing scientific work on this subject? 

























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