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From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: RIP - John Cage
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:29:09
Organization: savage hackers
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: larryh@cabezon.uucp's message of 13 Aug 92 17:36:44 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.173644.9044@cabezon.uucp> larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:
	   It's probably appropriate to observe a minute of "Silence."

  4:33 worth might be more appropriate.

 -- d
From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:00:22 GMT
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5

In article <1992Aug12.204457.19141@leland.Stanford.EDU>, termite@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Paik) writes:
|> First of all, I don't intend this as a flame to anyone and I don't mean
|> to accuse anyone of anything but,
|> 
|> How many people out there who have said that digital pianos sound bad
|> compared to real pianos listened to them through a decent source
|> (eg high quality studio monitors and not the little built in speakers
|> and not even a good home stereo or a keyboard amp)?

Not taken as a flame.  First of all, no one in this thread has really said
that digital pianos sound bad.  Its just that they don't sound like a
real piano, that's all.  There is something about the sound of an acoustic
piano that currently cannot be reproduced by even the best sound systems.

The difference between and acoustic piano and a digital piano decreases
as the acoustic piano is miked for performance.  

|> Many of my piano playing friends of made similar complaints but only compare
|> them listening through the built in speakers or a so-so keyboard amp.
|> Seems to me this is kinda like playing a '57 Les Paul through a Peavey
|> practice amp and saying that the guitar doesn't sound good.

Actually, this is a very good point.  For one, because mixer inputs are at
a premium for me, I'm running my digianos [DIGItal piANOS] in mono mode.
I realize that I'm losing some sound by doing this.  Secondly, my sound
system ain't so great--my digianos would sound better through a great
sound system.  The times my wife has played where there was a truly good
sound system brought out the 'real' sound of our digianos.  

|> 
|> Just wondering,
|> Dave

Good point.  The sound system makes a great deal of difference.  Some of the
console digianos have pretty good built-in sound systems.  They sound good
close up, but usually don't have the power for an auditorium.

-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
From: exujsch@exu.ericsson.se (Johnny Schmittou EXU-T-EEG x7887 Dallas Texas USA)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: alt.percussion?
Summary: So you're a drummer?  Cool...
Keywords: (DMBL) Drummers Make Better Lovers
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:45:44 GMT
Reply-To: exujsch@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Somewhere in sunny Richardson, TX

OK, here's a really cool list that you can get on:

drum@elof.iit.edu

It's been going for about a month now and really informative.  I wish
the folks would take it to an "alt.*" newsgroup, but thus far, no one
has shown interest in doing this (except me).

I believe to actually subscribe you need to e-mail a request to:

drum-request@elof.iit.edu

Try e-mailing to the "request" address before you try the actual list.
---
___________________________________________________________________________
Internet....: exujsch@exu.ericsson.se | "Everything I say is the absolute
Real life...: Johnny Schmittou        |  Gospel...  Nah, just kidding."
Virtual life: Q-man   ---<<<I'd rather be drumming.>>>--- Dallas, Texas USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: fender amp
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:26:38 GMT


	I'm looking to buy (in a month or so) a new amp. I went amp shopping
yesterday and found that I really liked the sound of a Fender Pro 185. I got a
price of $699 for it. Then I went to another store to see if they could beat
that price. The second store didn't have any (the Great Great House of Guitars
didn't have something, ha!) but they told me to play around with a Fender Power
Chorus, which I did. The amps sounded identical to me (with the exception of
the stereo chorus). I also played around with a Peavey Power Chorus which I
didn't like. I currently have a Peavey Bandit 112, and like it a lot, if that
gives you an idea of what kind of sounds I dig.
	Most of the stuff I'll be playing will be grungy fast stuff but I also
really want an amp with a sweet clean sound that makes the ends of notes mean
something too.

	My first question is : is the addition of the chorus the only
difference between these two amps, and is spending $100 extra worth it for the
Power Chorus?

	My second question is : what other amps are out there, in the $700 and
down price range, 2x10 or 2x12, are there. (I really want to hear what people
like, but if there's something you really don't like, tell me also.)


	-c
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From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: 4 track mixdown trouble
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:58:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <16c5q1INNqus@smaug.West.Sun.COM>
tomve@pongo.West.Sun.COM writes:

> Tapes from the mixing board sound like they drag.

Do you mean that the tapes sound slow?  If so, how could the board have
contributed to this?  Do they sound slow when played on the deck that
recorded the mix?

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
From: mahon@Software.Mitel.COM (Ed Mahon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: SansAmp: any opinions ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:14:38 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


A friend of mine owns a music store and he received the demo tape for
this unit.  My opinion?  I'd like to know what offboard effects they
used on the demo!  I think the novelty would wear off pretty fast...

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Subject: Re: fender lace sensor question
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:04:20 CST

In article <TILL.92Aug18112414@acid-rain.lucid.com>
till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman) writes:
 
>
>   Date: 18 Aug 92 15:55:01 GMT
>   From: dhi00@ccc.amdahl.com (Dario H. Impini )
>   Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
>
>   anybody know whats in a fender lace sensor?  ad hype says its a
>   revolutionary new way of "reading" the strings but i want to
>   know whats really in there.  is it hall effect sensors, active
>   pickups, or just coils like everybody else?
>
>Coil and magnet, just like everybody else.  Nicely designed and all, but
>it's just a coil and magnet.
>
>The ad hype is amazing isn't it?  The first sentence of their drivel is:
>"It's not a pickup at all, but an Acoustic Emission Sensor (AES)."
>  1. It is a pickup.
>  2. AES stands for Audio Engineering Society, a professional organization.
>  3. What exactly do they think an acoustic emission is?
>
>  -- Don
>
 
 
Not to mention that the bass versions of these pickups sound like crap!
(IMHO)
 
brian
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: soh@gdstech.grumman.com (Scott O'Hare)
Subject: (Update) Music Equipment For Sale
Reply-To: soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Distribution: rec.music.makers
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:09:36 GMT

*** A few items have been sold, namely, the P-bass clone, ART
Multiverb LT, and Ensoniq ESQ-1... but there's still alot left!

Here's what's still available (note reduced prices on several items): 

OTARI MX5050-II pro 8-track (1/2") deck w/ rollabout stand, type I dbx, 
   very good condition, all cables - $2250!! 
   Separate prices:
	MX5050-II (Transport, Preamps, Standlone & Rackmount 
	  hardware) $1800 ($1900 with rollabout stand)
	Rollabout Stand - tilt platform w 10-space rack, 3 space 
	  rack underneath - contemporary, heavy duty $165
	TASCAM DX-4 4-channel dbx type I noise reduction, single 
	  space rackmount (I have two of these) $300 each, $565 both.

dbx model 150x type I Noise reduction, like new, w/cables $150
   increases S/N by 30db; make DAT-quality masters with an
   analog reel-to-reel (really). I paid $229 +tax without the cables.

GIBSON ES-330, Mid 60's, semi-hollow body (like ES335, but single-coil
   chrome pickups), plays & sounds great, "looks good from a
   distance" (walnut stain & polyurethane), Schaller pegs, 
   non-factory case $250(*).

IBANEZ Artist, early 70's, flame cherry sunburst, gold hardware (incl.
   PAF-type humbuckers & Grover style keys). Vintage Les Paul look
   (exc. for double cutaway), superb sound and feel. Has 3-way coil
   tap switches (miniature toggles) for each pickup and fitted
   hardshell case. Showing some wear (buckle grooves on rear, worn
   gold) - fits the vintage look. This axe is highly recommeded for
   someone who wants a top quality instrument cheap. $275.

WASHBURN B-20 bass w/tweed case. Top-of-line instrument w/radical
   shape (explorer?), angled headstock, flame maple sunburst, brass (!)
   inlays, purple wood finish on back & headstock. P+J setup), solid
   brass nut & bridge saddles. Perfect condition. Cost over $500 back
   in '86 & rarely played - sell for $300. 

RANDALL "Jaguar" Bass amp - Compact, powerful (100w?), solid state,
   single 15" speaker. Great club amp, exc. cond. $175(*). Better pick
   this one up now - my bass player is ready to take it to Sam Ash &
   dump it!

----------------------------------------
Please respond via email - thanks
(*) means selling item for someone else

soh

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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9064 rec.audio:11636
From: zhangyi@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony walkman
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:03:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug18.162002.25821@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> The differences between the D3 and D6 Pro walkmans are:
> 
> - $100  (D3 approx $200+, D6 approx $300+)
> - D3 takes chrome or normal bias tapes, has dolby B NR.
>   D6 also takes metal tapes and has B and C NR.
> - D3 is smaller, and comes with a usable microphone.
>   D6 is a little bigger and doesn't come with a mcirophone.
> 
> The D3 is the size of a normal walkman, and so will fit into pockets
> whereas the D6 is bigger and bulkier.
> 
> The D5 is a semi-pro portable deck. It is much bigger (medium sized
> telephone book size) and has 2 analog VU meters (the D3 and D6 have
> one multi-LED input level meter). You have to sling this baby on your
> shoulder.
> 
> You may want to consider one of the many portable DAT machines available
> such as AIWA HS-1, Sony TCD3, Casio RA100, etc.. These are available for
> $500-600 (or maybe even less - prices seem to drop weekly !). Get one
> which has the slow speed mode - recording is at 32kHz (response is out
> to 15k therefore) for 4 hours on a DAT120 tape.
> 
> 
> Good luck !
> 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Shiv
 I just bought a walkman---Panasonic RQ-V520. I like it very very much.
It comes with all the necessary features, such as autoreverse, auto
tapesetting, full logic control, digital tuning, 18 stations memory, dolby
system , extra bass system, FM DX/LOCAL switch and multi-function remote
control etc. I compared with Sony FX-55 and other brand Awia TS-55 etc side by
side . I found RQV520 has much better sound, very clear and full bass. the
price for RQV520 at local is $99.90 and $85 for mail-order. I LOve it very
much. The sony unit FX55 is $150. Better check it out before you buy.

                                           GOOD LUCK!
From: doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: HELP : advice on portable CD player for car
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

cheers all -

sorry if this was discussed earlier....:)
i'm looking to buy a portable CD player to use at work and in my
car.  was wondering if anyone can recommend one (<$200) that works
well in the car.   i tend to drive aggressively, so any suggestions
on a player (and what to rest it on) that will not drive me crazy
by skipping would be appreciated.  i realize that skipping in some 
situations (ie. DC roads) is unavoidable.  thanks.....

bill

==================================
"been waitin' for the bus all day"
doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil
bethesda, MD   USA
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9077 rec.music.misc:21929
From: wade@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc
Subject: Rockin' Robin - artist/lyrics?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:10:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.37038
Followup-To: rec.music.makers

We've been asked to do the song "Rockin' Robin" at an upcoming wedding gig.
I remember the song, vaguely...but not the artist or very many of the
lyrics.  

Any help on the original artist (our bass player thinks the Jackson 5 
covered the song, which sounds right), lyrics, chords, etc. would
be much appreciated.  

Thanks,

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Device to slow down music without changing pitch - know about it?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:37:50 GMT

james@wrs.com writes:
>I was at a music camp last week, and someone mentioned that they had
>heard of a device that can slow down the playback of a piece of music
>without changing its pitch.  A little like a half-speed tape deck,
>but doesn't drop the music an octave.  Does this sound familiar to
>anyone?

Sounds like a few drummers I've played with :-)
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Re: SansAmp: any opinions ?
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:11:53 GMT

I tried this thing out and was completely unimpressed.
(It was the non-rackmount version). It certainly had some neat sounds
but did not sound like a real guitar amp. Besides that, it had a
tendency to break up even in the clean channel.

-Jaz
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From: germond@popov.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Germond)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: What the expert says about digital/analog
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: germond@popov.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: popov

*** Flame on ***
In article l92a9dINN69o@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu, eijkhout@cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
>What the expert says about digital/analog

You sound as though you think you've finally found the SWORD OF TRUTH, with which
you can slay those evil analog infidels. While I wholeheartedly agree that
Van Gelder is AN expert, there ain't no such animal as THE expert. They and we
are all just mortals who have opinions.

> The other day I came across a quote about analog/digital that I trust
> more than the ravings of Neil Young in Guitar Player a while ago.

I would classify Neil Young as an expert, too. When you've been paid to
make music as long as he has, I'll classify YOU as an expert, too.

>``If I'm going to do a session and I can choose what I want to choose,
>I will choose a digital recorder. There's just no question about it.
>[...]

 [Other good words in praise of digital gratuitously deleted.]

>And this from a guy who has been uniformly praised for making
>beautifully sounding recordings.
>
>Victor.

Well, I take no position on the analog/digital debate except this one:
It's all just a matter of opinion. You can measure all sorts of things
and bang everyone over the head with quotations from expert engineers
and musicians, and it all comes down to opinions. You've found someone
whom you respect who happens to agree with yours; now you throw him
around like he was a prophet and his imprimatur on the technology
will bless it once and for all for you and everyone. Thanks for sharing 
the interesting quotation, but if you want an empirical science, stick to
chemistry. IMHO, music--both the recording and performing of it--is and always
will be an art form. Thank God there isn't any right answer. If it sounds good
to you, if it moves your soul, have at it. Just don't beat us up with
"experts."

*** Flame off ***

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: tparker@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker)
Subject: Re: Rockin' Robin - artist/lyrics?
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:15:18 GMT

In article <37038@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wade@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren) writes:
>We've been asked to do the song "Rockin' Robin" at an upcoming wedding gig.
>I remember the song, vaguely...but not the artist or very many of the
>lyrics.  
>
>Any help on the original artist (our bass player thinks the Jackson 5 
>covered the song, which sounds right), lyrics, chords, etc. would
>be much appreciated.  

There were two Top 40 versions, according to Joel Whitburn's book.  The
original was a Number 2 hit in '58 for Bobby Day.  A cover version was
also a Number 2 hit, this time in '72 for Michael Jackson.

Sorry, can't help you with lryics or chords.  I remember pieces of
the lyrics, but not enough to be coherent.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: davidj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (David J. Wong)
Subject: Drum set for sale/trade
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:33:17 GMT

Drum set for sale or will trade for good condition pair of tecnics
mark 1200 pro Dj turntables.

Pearl 5 piece kit:
includes the following:

12" Tom
13" Tom
16" Floor Tom
22" Bass Drum
14" Sabian Hi-Hats
Ludwig Chrome Hand-Hammered Snare (Pro Model)
22" Sabian Ride Cymbal
20" Sabian Medium Crash Cymbal
16" Sabian Heavy/Medium Crash  (all Cymbals are 'AA's)
Cymbal travel bag
Stick Bag
Lots of good unused sticks
Drum heads are all remo pin stripe except a Remo Black dot on the snare
3 Cymbal stands. 1 of which is a boom type.
Gibraltar pro model throne
Ferrari Red.

Drum set is 2 months old, home used only and in excellent condition. Must
be seen to appreciate.

Asking $1100.00, Paid $1849.00 with all taxes included just 2 mths ago.

Lets talk, maybe a deal can be struck.

Call me home at 416-284-2523 after 5pm and anytime weekends. or send e-mail
to davidj@gpu.toronto.ca.

Thanks much 
  

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Info Wanted: Mesa Boogie MK IV
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:02:42 GMT


I like Boogies but being the bass player in a band with two
guitarists, both of whom play Mk IV's I can say....

	o	they're too small
	o 	they're too loud
	o	they're too good
	o	(and in Oz) they're too expensive!

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: acoustic pianos versus digital pianos/keyboards
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:56:42 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Aug12.204457.19141@leland.Stanford.EDU> termite@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Paik) writes:
>First of all, I don't intend this as a flame to anyone and I don't mean
>to accuse anyone of anything but,
>
>How many people out there who have said that digital pianos sound bad
>compared to real pianos listened to them through a decent source
>(eg high quality studio monitors and not the little built in speakers
>and not even a good home stereo or a keyboard amp)?
>
>Many of my piano playing friends of made similar complaints but only compare
>them listening through the built in speakers or a so-so keyboard amp.
>Seems to me this is kinda like playing a '57 Les Paul through a Peavey
>practice amp and saying that the guitar doesn't sound good.

Many of us are oriented towards recording and live playing with an
amplified band.  In that respect, a digital piano is difficult to tell
from the real thing.  However, when you sit down at a real piano in
a quiet room, the audio experience is superior to that of a digital
piano going through a good sound system.  Don't get me wrong, I have
both a real piano and an electronic keyboard setup providing several
digital pianos.  I find myself playing the digital pianos most of the 
time for various reasons - but it is different from the real thing.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: matt@midiline.la.ca.us (Matt Bloomfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Help re 4/6 trk cassette decks
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:31:33 PDT
Distribution: rec.music.makers
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

> make any recommendations for what decks are available. Also, Sansui once 
> did (does) a 6 track cassette deck. I have always been dubious of squeezing
> 6 tracks onto a cassette but have no hard evidence of any problems. Does
> anyone know if this or any other 6 track cassette system can meet the
> sound quality of a good 4 track portastudio.

try a Vestax MR66 (made in Japan) -- 6 track rack mounted deck.
You must use a mixer as there is no EQ or aux send section.
It sounds decent with DBX (less so without).  I have  Mackie 1202
but be aware due to the lack of direct tape outs, it is usefule only
for mixdown.  For recording I use the deck's front panel.

-----
matt@midiline.la.ca.us (Matt Bloomfield) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What's happening with Fender amps?!
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:19:31 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

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From: bearce@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Phil Bearce)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:11:03 GMT
Subject: Re: REQ: FUNK chords or progressions
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server