HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: perobert%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Paul Roberts)
Subject: Re: They might be faking it... 
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:51:08 MST
Reply-To: ricks%berkeley.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group

In article <722036491snx@smok.demon.co.uk>, richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne) writes:
|> 
|> Why does the defensive team NEVER turn down the delay of game (which is an
|> optional penalty) if the offense deliberatly go for it?
|> 
Because the offensive team still has a fourth and short; you would look
real stupid if they did go for it and make it on the next play.

-Paul
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Miami-Buffalo partial score
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:52:21 GMT

In article <GILFORD.92Nov16212757@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:
>With a few seconds to half time Miami is leading Buffalo 17-13.
>Please post the final score when it becomes available.
>
Miami 20  Bills  26

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: They Called Galileo a Heretic, Too...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:07:15 GMT

In article <1261@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@fozzy.UUCP (Carl H. Koontz) writes:
>Well, I should have known that as soon as I made my picks public I would have
>a bad week. I was 6-8 last week bringing my yearly total to a still impressive
With your algorithm there is no way you could have an impressive record
>Here are my picks for Week 11:
>
>Detroit  10
>Pittsburgh  9
>
>LA Rams  27
>Dallas   23
>
>Philadelphia  3
>Green Bay    38
>
>New England  24
>Indianapolis 21
>
>Comments welcome.
>
>Carl


Hmmmmmmmm....

GT
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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: MNF
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:15:30 GMT

Saints lead 17 - 3 in the 4th quarter with about 3 minutes left.
From: dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: STEELERS VS. LIONS - WHAT HAPPENED???
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:49:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.dchou.721954181
Distribution: usa

HI...I couldn't get any highlights or anything concerning the Steelers
Detroit contest, which was closer than I thought at least as far as
score was concerned...anyone care to comment on some highlight, relate
what happened, etc?  Which Barry did better?  Thanks.

							-Dave
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:04:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: .

John P. Glooooooria writes:
>(J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>
>>
>>I think Charlie Brown put it best when he said:
>>
>>AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURRRRRRUUUAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>J.J.(GOD give us another trip to Candlestick this year!!) Clyde


>Why don't you show CLASS like the Saints players and show
		    ^^^^^
>some respect to the NINERS. The FOOTBALL GODs are on OUR
>side, at least they were this past weekend. 
>-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	

Oops.  Sorry John.  My apologies.  I often forget that you are known far
and wide as the net.epitome of CLASS....


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 NOV 92 15:40:53    

In article <1992Nov17.122814.27424@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes...

>"only" the Packers??!! Maybe none of you have realized it but the Packers have
>vastly improved the last two games.  I would not be at all surprised to see the
>Pack finish up at 8-8, not bad considering Favre is just a second year man.
>Not to mention the fact that it's Holmgrems(or however you spell it) first year
>as head coach.  "Only" the Packers??!!  I'm not surprised at all over their win
>this Sunday, after all, it was ONLY the Eagles.

I dunno.  I'm not convinced.  It was only a month ago that they were 
getting stomped by the Bears, who, in case you haven't noticed, aren't 
the Monsters of the Midway anymore.  The defense has been playing good 
ball but I still think a good passing team can pick the secondary 
apart.  The pass rush has been decent enough the last 3 weeks but I 
think the first 7 games are more indicitive of what you can expect 
from them than the last 3.

Last 6 games:

@ Chic  4-6
  TB    4-6
  Det   2-8
@ Hous  6-4
  Rams  4-6
@ Minn  7-3
       -----
       27-33 (0.450)

The Pack would have to go 4-2 to finish 8-8.  Which 4 of these 6 games 
do you think they will win?  Detroit and TB at home (we hope).  But 
at Chicago, at Houston, and at Minn?  Probably not.  They might win 
one of these games but they might also lose to Detroit and/or TB.
That leaves the Rams.  Rams are also 4-6 and playing well.  Maybe it'll 
snow.  7-9 at best.

BTW, the Packers are more likely than any other team to take the 
divison away from the Vikes by virtue of the fact that they are tied 
for 2nd place in the NFC Central but have been beaten by the Vikings 
only once.  (Vikings magic number is 3.)

JGH
From: ed@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ed Ahrenhoerster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer's final record for 1992
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:54:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

At the start of the year, I would have been happy with 5-11, thus
beating last year's 4-12.  Now, I think 6-10 is more likely.  8-8?
That would be wonderful.  It won't happen.

Another prediction for this week's game:  The Packer's have added a
strange looking draw play to their offense, where the QB runs past the
RB, then reaches around him and puts the ball in his numbers.  This
play got added shortly after the Bears' trick punt.  Holmgren has been
running this play for weeks just to run a flea flicker off it against
Chicago this week.  You heard it here first.  (Please don't tell Ditka :-) )

-Ed
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Religion is the smile on a dog.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:47:45 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DA BILLS

Oh, like the Falcons are a world class team.  Maybe I should brag about
Barry Foster blowing out Indianapolis today.  Bills and Steelers didn't play
teams that were in their class today.  There's nothing to brag about.
Bills and Steelers were both double digit favorites today.  Now, hopefully
we meet for the AFC Championships, then we can make the bet XXV or something
and then have bragging rights to the winner.  Falcons suck - get real.
                                                                      -Rob
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 26 Fins 20
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxuM87.6sw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) 
	writes...

>One more thing: this the a Professional football league, so shouldn't we
>have Professional refs?

Then the gates would be open for the mob to buy off the (low-paid) referees.

The referees currently are all well-to-do men.  Just very senile!

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK
Summary: More Spew From JPG
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:32:41 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO

jg> John P. Gloria spews:

jg> GOOD teams LEARN from their mistakes. Which is why teams like Denver and 
    Da Bills are NOT good teams. They have proven to the world that they can-
    not learn from their mistakes. Just take a look at their combined SB rec-
    ords. Ah, the flood gates have been opened. :-)

  The only torrent is coming from what most of us call an anus, but what you
  call a mouth.

  I wasn't aware than Denver + Buffalo's combined SB record of 0-6 takes away
  all the "learning" that went on during their respective regular seasons for
  the last 7 seasons. The fact that Denver and Buffalo made it back to the
  SB after losing it (Denver in 1986 & 1987, Buffalo in 1990 & 1991) says
  that the two teams did learn just enough to have repeat appearences. Most
  teams don't get to the SB two years in a row. Indeed, SB champions have a
  habit of not even making the playoffs the following season. I guess it's
  not what a team *learns* in the SB, but what it forgets the next season
  when it struggles to (say) a 7-9 record.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Scud's Back.....
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

How about this for the off-season:

Raiders aquire Montana from SF after SF names Young as the starter.
 or 
Raiders aquire Testeverde from TB after TB gives up on him.


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From: RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Central Stadings
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:51:15 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Question : Does Minnesota win the division next week if they should win and
Green Bay should lose?  Just checking.
-Rob
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:50:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

*drift on*
If you think that was fun...just wait until Fielder, Canseco, McGwire etc
get their first at bats against the Rockies.  Ouch.
*drift off*
From: lpham@eis.calstate.edu (Lan Pham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:27:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: eis.Bxtq1B.86G
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

the 49ers did really well yesterday. they beat the saints by one point.
the final score is 21/20. at the end of third quarter they trailed by an
impossible 13 points 7/20. but they came back from behind in 4th quarter
by 2 touchdowns from young to jones. .. what the game. .

lanpham
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Computer-Readable Stats
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:50:13 GMT

Greetings all,

I was just wondering if anyone out there in r.s.f.p-land knows where
one might get some computer-readable statistics from the current
(and perhaps previous) year(s)?  In other words, some type of data
file that I could write a program to parse, etc...

I have checked in the ftp-site often mentioned in this group, but it
does not have individual player stats.

Please respond via e-mail, and any others interested in this information
may e-mail such a request, and I will be glad to pass along any information
I find out.

May your Quarterback stay healthy and the officials miss calls in your favor.

-- 
-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:07:47 -0500 
From: Timothy Murphy <tm3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!

In article <1e6on2INNc3j@sal-sun99.usc.edu>  Teh Kao writes:

>RAMS 27 DALLAS 23 !! 
> 
>Is this the upset of the year? Nah... the Cowboys were overrated and I was
>picking the Rams to sneak up on them in this game. 
> 
>The Rams have not played this good since 89'! Everett was perfect,
>Cleveland Gary rushed for 100 yards, and the defense stopped Dallas on their
>final desparate drive. 
> 
>Thank you, Rams!! I'm going to respect you much more in the future. You've
>just made a dejected Eagles fan's day!!
> 
>-Teh Kao

     We owe the Rams a lot when it comes to the quarterbacking postion
as well. The Eagles and the Rams have shared greats like Norm Van
Brocklin, Roman Gabriel and Ron Jaworski. 

Plus, the Rams and the Eagles beat the Cowboys this year (yah!)

GO EAGLES

Tim Murphy
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:24165 dc.redskins:240
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:07:02 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

In article <1992Nov17.000807.25905@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari) writes:
> In article 1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu, desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
>> I am glad the `Boys lost this week!!!  It was just the *right time* for them to
>> lose and lose to a team not of their caliber...  They got the monkey off their
>> back and should be ready to head into the playoffs with their eyes open and play
>> some smart games...
> 
> Just like a Cowpoke fan.... "My team only lost because it will benefit them in
> the long run" or "we lost but were still the better team" or "it had to be someone
> other than the Cowboys fault"
> 
> The Rams outplayed the Cowboys, on the road, in Texas Stadium, and deserved to win.
> They are better than their 4-6 record shows...
> 
> Jonathan Saari   

Mr. Saari:

I don't know where you are coming from but I didn't say anything about who
outplayed who, or ``we are still a better team''!!!  I would suggest that in
the future don't be too quick to mis-``quote'' others... And as a role of thumb
it is always ``wise'' to double check what you read and/or unnderstood...!

I was merely stating a fact about the 'Boys... The fact being they should learn
from this defeat and become a better team now that they have the media and 
others somewhat off their back!  

As for the Rams, they have got the right ppl but the will and motivation for
success is not there ``yet''!!!

Best wishes...

D Man...
--
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From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Holly Shit!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Enough already with this AFC inferiority.
Keep your theories to yourself.
Football is a game, nothing more.
There is no superior conference.
Let me repeat.
There is no superior conference.
The Superbowl is a not a indicator of
superiority in football.  Consistency is.
The Giants win SB 25 then don't make playoffs next year.
Washington wins SB 26 and looks like they won't make playoffs
this year.
Broncos to SB 3 out of four years.
San Fraqncisco to 2 straight SB
Buffalo to 2 straight SB.

I'll take consistency over superiority anyday.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packers 7 - Giants 27 (Packer & Giant fan perspective)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 NOV 92 09:21:06    

In article <1223@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes...

>In article <1992Nov9.224929.12328@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> (Michael P.) writes:
>>
>>Even though Green Bay lost this one, the Giants have nothing to crow
>>about... this was an extremely ugly win.
> 
>I thought just the opposite. The Giants' D never comes up with the big play
>anymore. For example, in 1991, the Giants' Ss (Jackson and Guyton) only had 1
>INT between them for the whole year!
> 
>Against Green Bay it looked like Fauve was going to march them down the field
>and score, but Thompson came up with the big play. Call it what you want - a
>bad pass by Fauve or a great read by Thompson. The fact is, the Giants' D
>(Taylor stripping the ball to cause a fumble) and special teams (ie 71 yard
>kick by Landeta) came up with the big plays when the O was sputtering.

Like I aways say, points scored off turnovers count just as much as 
those scored on 10 minute drives.  But if you're a playoff caliber 
team you hope to be able to dominate statistically as well as come up 
with the big plays against a team like GB.  But maybe the Packers 
aren't such a bad team after all.  This week's victory over the Eagles 
will be sure to light a spark of hope in GB.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:49:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.230434.20811@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>John P. Glooooooria writes:
>>(J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>I think Charlie Brown put it best when he said:
>>>
>>>AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUURURRRRRRUUUAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>J.J.(GOD give us another trip to Candlestick this year!!) Clyde
>
>
>>Why don't you show CLASS like the Saints players and show
>		    ^^^^^
>>some respect to the NINERS. The FOOTBALL GODs are on OUR
>>side, at least they were this past weekend. 
>>-- 
>>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>
>Oops.  Sorry John.  My apologies.  I often forget that you are known far
>and wide as the net.epitome of CLASS....
>
>
>-- 
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>(geaux tigers)......    |              with a Great Big Stick.'"
>J.J. Clyde  LSU '91     | Charlene: "No, that one makes me cry."

Apologies accepted. You'r learning, now if your team can
learn, you will be heading in the right direction.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: Zac.Gillbanks@newcastle.ac.uk (Z. Gillbanks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:35:33 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


        New England 37 - 34 Indianapolis Colts,

All I can say is WOW!
From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills best in NFL--unquestionably!!!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:27:52 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov20.152539.24377@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:

>I think (know) that the Bills have proved that they are once again the best
>team in the NFL!!!

It appears that they have proven that to you!

>Now....The Bills are undeniably the best team in football.

According to you they are!

>So I just don't see an NFC SB win happening this year.  When you've beaten
>2 of the top 3 records in football....BOTH ON THE ROAD!!!!...how can you
>not be good.

I don't think there is anybody reading this net who would deny that
the Bills are not a good football team.
The Steelers??????????

>The Bills have already beaten:
>                          San Francisco....8-2
>                          Pittsburgh.......6-4 (or is 7-3?)
>                          Miami............7-3
>
>If you beat the best, you are the BEST!!!

So what you are saying is that if the Patriots beat the Bills and
the 49ers in any given season, then they are the best team in the
NFL? I hardly think so!

>Oh, also, who do you think is the 2nd best team in the NFL?
>This is a good discussion (flame-war) which will probably raise some
>interesting points.

Actually, I think the flame war might arise from your post, not who
is 2nd best.  I suggest you don your flame suit.

>I personally rank the teams:
>1.  Buffalo
>2.  San Francisco
>3.  Dallas ( a close third)
>
>Note the gap between 1 and 2 is huge!!!!
>
>Imran Qureshi

Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinions right?  I'm sure
you will definitely be getting some opinions regarding your ranking
of the teams.  A huge gap between 1st and 2nd huh? :-)

I just didn't have the heart!

                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
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From: mahoney@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith M Mahoney)
Subject: Why,Why,Why? (Browns game)
Keywords: Dumb Coaches Decision
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:45:59 GMT

I can't understand why Tomsak was benched against Minnesota!!  What I don't 
understand even more it why keep Philcox in when he was ineffective against the
Minnesota Defense!!  Tomsak just had a slow 3rd Quarter, I'm sure that he could
have put together one last drive to give Cleveland a touchdown.

I just hope Art Modell doesn`t think that he is God Almighty and start 
questioning Belichichak(sp?) calls.  It is a coaches decision(a dumb ONE), but
you have to let your coach make those decision and don't second guess them!!


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From: hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (Vince Hradil)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: "In the grasp" rule (was Re: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:02:27 GMT
Reply-To: hrad@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov18.024744.6159@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>
>In article <Bxvw8G.5Iw@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>I think they changed that rule; I'm not sure. I haven't seen it called in a
>>while. Anybody else know what the current rule is for "in the grasp" ?
>
>Yes, I believe they did away with the "in the grasp" rule, and it's
>a good thing they did.  I hated this rule from the time it first went


I don't think they actuall `did away' with the rule but just
changed it a bit.  I think that the referee can now call the
QB down as soon as a second defenseman grasps him ( the QB
not the referee :-)

Vince
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