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From: markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Problems with tcsh & tvtwm - HELP!
Keywords: tcsh, tvtwm
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:24:42 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de


My Problem:

Tvtwm does not run when started from the tcsh

Verbose description:	

I'm using the tcsh and tvtwm for a long time. But when we installed patchlevel
17 of the X11 software, I've got a problem: When start tvtwm, it usually quits
just after a few moments (Segmentation fault). But if I repeatly try to run
tvtwm, it finally runs. This may need only 3 tries, but may also require even
10. This behaviour seems to be very nondeterministic. I may use XWindows, or
I may used OpenWindos (Vers. 3), it doesn't matter. But if I use a csh instead
of a tcsh, there is no such problem...

Is there any wizard who can help me? Any hint is welcome!

My Environment:

SUN SPARCstation, SUN OS 4.1.1, XWindows or OpenWindows (Vers. 3).

Thanks,
Ingolf Markhof.

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From: ronis@onsager (David Ronis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Delayed Shipping of Sparc 10/41
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:53:37 GMT
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I recall reading something about Sun sweetening the pot for their delayed Sparc 10's; specifically,
they were going to ship 2-processor versions to those who purchased model 41's.   

We've ordered several 41's and a 54 server.  Sun Canada now tells us that the 41's won't be shipping
till March and the 54 will be even later.  Originally we were promised the 41 in September and 
the 54 by March.  In the mean time, we've received sparc-2's with the understanding that they 
would be swapped for the new machines when ready.  Moreover, we wouldn't have gone with sun if we were
going to be without any machines for the better part of a year.

When I spoke with my rep. at sun about the 2-processor deal, he told me that this applied only to 
people who had never received any machine.  Is this correct?  If so, it stinks!

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

David Ronis
From: mickel@OES.ORST.EDU (Paul M. Mickel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Novell and Unix Communication
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:34:47 GMT
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec21.203719.5048@interstream.com> bjd@interstream.com (Bruce J. DaCosta) writes:
>I am trying to get my Novell server and my UNIX world to communicate so that
>I can have my PC and workstations access the same files and be able to send mail
>back and forth to each other.  One other benefit I would like to have is to be
>able to read mail sent to me with UNIX mail from my PC.  This would allow me
>(and my co-workers) to sit in one chair and get mail through UNIX then move the 
>information from the mail onto the Novell server easily.
>
>Does anyone know if there is a single product that will allow me to do this?
>If not one, is there a set of compatible products that will serve the same
>functions.  I am not afraid of implemeting a "puzzle" solution provided it fits
>my needs.

Well, The Netware SunLink product will allow transparent file xfer between
PCs and Unix, but don't know about mail. While I'm on the subject, has 
anyone been able to get this product that is running C2 security. I am
having a devil of a time doing this. If you have, please let me know how
you got it to run. I am currently talking to a Sun engineer, and he's not
sure that C2 is the problem, while I am fairly certain that it is.

Regards.

-- 
Paul M. Mickel			  	   Internet:mickel@oes.orst.edu
Sysadmin, Oregon Extension Service	   Corvallis, OR 97331
Database Programmer, Teledyne Wah Chang    Albany, OR 
Disclaimer: Neither employer has *ever* claimed any of my opinions.
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From: fan@tammy.cath.puh.upmc.edu (Ningping Fan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: specifying the number of blocks for streams module.
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:46:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin
Organization: School of Medicine, Univ. of Pittsburgh, USA
In-reply-to: venkat@metrix.UUCP's message of 17 Dec 92 16:22:41 GMT

I am also using STREAMS NIT module in sun4/260 and here is my netstat -m

streams allocation:
                                         cumulative  allocation
                      current   maximum       total    failures
streams                    13        15         210           0
queues                     45        53         735           0
mblks                      22       439     3299605           0
dblks                      22       439     3299605           0

My system runs properly. 

--
--
Ningping Fan, Ph.D.,  |  Tel:   412-647-6992
F392 PUH              |  Fax:   412-647-8117
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Univ. of Pittsburgh,  |
Pittsburgh, PA 15213  |  Respect is a virtue of humanity.
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: OLVWM
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:47:05 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Laboratories

In article 825@melpar, bdecker@e-sys.com (Brian D. Decker) writes:
|>Background:  Sun IPX sunning SunOS4.1.3, OpenWindows3.0, Olvwm
|>
|>I have been using olvwm for about one month now and started with patchlevel
|>2.  I recently compiled patchlevel 3 and updated my machine.  Whenever I try
|>to run an 'xterm' ( the one supplied with OpenWindows3.0 ) under olvwm patchlevel
|>3, my olvwm process exits and my xnews server dies, dropping me out to a console.
|>Has anyone seen this particular problem and found a fix ??
|>
|>When I compiled olvwm, a definition for MENU_NEWSLOT was not found, so I created
|>'#define MENU_NEWSLOT 1' in menu.h.  Was I missing something here ?? 
|>

I don't know if this is the cause of your problem, but I found the
following line in menu.h 

#define MENU_NEWSLOT     (-1)

I run olvwm 3.3 under OW3.0 and SunOS 4.1.1 and use Sun's xterm
without the problem you described.

---
  	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: rjq@phys.ksu.edu (Rob Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: This LAN is not you LAN !!!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:28:17 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu

In <BzMvLJ.Lqr@boi.hp.com> randyb@boi.hp.com (randy barbour) writes:
>le0: Receive: giant packet for ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>le0: Receive: STP in rmd cleared
>Question: Does anyone know how to interpret this message or why the Suns
>          are sensitive to it? Networking seems to work fine other
>          than these console messages ! 

 Here's a summary I saved a while back (which is actually someone elses
summary...) regarding large packets.



From comp.sys.sun.admin Fri Oct  9 11:53:47 1992
From: liu@cmibm4.cm.nctu.edu.tw (Shun-Jee Liu)
Subject: How to connect HP plotter to Sun?
Organization: National Chiao-Tung University, Taiwan, R.O.C.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:42:28 GMT


Hi,

   I am new to the Sun, and have some problems need help


   1. When I connected a HP 7475A plotter to the Sun's serial port ttyb,
      and cat a HPGL file to /dev/ttyb, the error light is blinking.
      The reason is data overrun.
      Can somebody tell me how to let the plotter do XON/XOFF handshaking?
      and send me a sample printcap.

   2. Our Sun mount a hard disk in IBM RS6000, everything works fine except
      that when I built some packages in NFS filesystem, console often echo

      The NFS server not responding trying..

      Is the problem of Sun, IBM, or network ?

Thanks.
--
========================================================================
Shun-Jee Liu
Email : liu@cmibm4.cm.nctu.edu.tw, u8011841@cc.nctu.edu.tw
Phone : 886-35-712121 ext 3428 (Laboratory), 6454 (Dormitory)
Institute of Electronics, National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan, R.O.C.
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From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: NIS Question: rpc.yppasswd
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:08:37 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <1992Dec29.183958.1@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu> sasurguine@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu writes:
>Qucik NIS question:
>I am working on a new machine, can't seem to fire up yppasswd on this beast.
>When I tried to fire it up, I received message: 
>rpc.yppasswd not running on server

I assume ypserv, ypbind, etc. all are running okay?

>I tried to fire up YPPASSWD using : 
>/usr/etc/rpc.yppasswd /var/yp/passwd

>only to receive an error: Can't write to /var/yp/passwd

Sounds like there is no file /var/yp/passwd, is there one?

Here's what I run out of /etc/rc.local:
#
# Added by Vincent Fox - 2/15/92 so users could remotely set passwords
if [ -f /usr/etc/rpc.yppasswdd ]; then
       /usr/etc/rpc.yppasswdd /var/yp/src/passwd -nogecos -m passwd &
            (echo -n ' yppasswdd')  >/dev/console
fi

The above assumes that I have a /var/yp directory with the following
characterics:
1) A Makefile that can take the source files and make them into NIS dbm files.
2) I keep source files in /var/yp/src, with mods to /var/yp/Makefile as
   needed.

>Im not an NIS guru yet, could someone give me a quick point in the right
>direction

NIS isn't hard. I use -nogecos so users can't change their finger-handle
stuff to objectionable/useless/obscene material. -nogecos also fixes things
so the -m is processed correctly. You could use -nosingle, but you should
use *something* before the -m, as it bugs out if you put it first.

>Thanks In Advance for Any help:

Sure :-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: tty locks up in X11 windows
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:23:08 GMT

In <1ht77nINN9np@shelley.u.washington.edu> neal@grover.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal Inc.) writes:

>Every once in a while I get tty's locking up
>when I try to open a new xterm.  I get the xterm
>window, but I can't do anything in it. It just
>sits there.

This is usually caused by a background process that has an open on
the pty.  It may not have a controlling tty, so it won't appear
in the `ps' output.  The following bug is relevant:

    BugID 1040722
    Process not letting go of a pty

This is fixed in the following patch:

Patch-ID# 100513-02
Keywords: ALM2, serial port, hangs, printer hangs, XON, XOFF, TIOCCONS re-direction security console pty dialin dialout drops DTR NULL, panic Bad Trap TIOCSTI

Synopsis: SunOS 4.1.x: Jumbo tty patch
Date: 07/Oct/92

SunOS release: 4.1 4.1.1 4.1.2 4.1.3

Unbundled Product:

Unbundled Release:

Topic: Jumbo tty patch
       This is basically a consolidation of patch 100225-02, 100194-02,
       100397-01, 100188-02, 100358-01, 100414-01, with fix for bugid 1064320
       also included.  As such this patch superceeds these previous patches.

-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: What's going with tip?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:35:41 GMT

>I suppose that it is tip problem, but how to get around it?

I suggest that you punt tip and use ckermit instead.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: jburnes@csisun.uucp (Jim Burnes)
Subject: Help: Need uugetty for Sun IPC
Organization: CompuSci, Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:39:58 GMT

Anyone:

I've tried to use the same modem for both uucp and
dial-in on our IPC.  When I installed uucp from the
system CD it installed everything except a version
of uugetty. After much hacking I found out that you
have to run 'ttysoftcar' to make our dial-in line
recognize a real carrier signal.  That was all well
and good except I run into the following....

   'uucico' runs and attempt to check/send email
whatever and getty recognizes that the Carrier Detect
has gone high...so that must mean that someone has
dialed in....well stupid assumption on getty's part
and he dives right in and disrupts the uucico trans-
mission.  Doesnt even check for locks....


Anyone have a solution for this?


Off line in St. Louis,

Jim Burnes
 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.admin:9707 comp.mail.sendmail:3065
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: SunOS sendmail 4.1/SMI-4.1: bogus "User unknown"
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:44:23 GMT
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL

In article <BzpqxD.BH@intellection.com> emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>This sendmail fails to verify addresses which correspond to records in
>the NIS "passwd" map, when started in rc.local as a daemon with
>"/usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q1h".
>
>Aliases from the "aliases" map are recognized.  Issuing the same
>command interactively after booting with an empty environment vector
>starts a daemon which has no problem verifying the addresses.  These
>facts rule out the reasons for this behavior which I could think of.
>
>What am I missing?
>-- 
>Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780

You are missing Sun patch number 100377-05.
- Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin
From: fenton@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (George I. Fenton)
Subject: Re: Novell and Unix Communication
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:28:39 GMT


bjd@interstream.com (Bruce J. DaCosta) writes:


>I am trying to get my Novell server and my UNIX world to communicate so that
>I can have my PC and workstations access the same files and be able to send mail
>back and forth to each other.  One other benefit I would like to have is to be
>able to read mail sent to me with UNIX mail from my PC.  This would allow me
>(and my co-workers) to sit in one chair and get mail through UNIX then move the 
>information from the mail onto the Novell server easily.

>Does anyone know if there is a single product that will allow me to do this?
>If not one, is there a set of compatible products that will serve the same
>functions.  I am not afraid of implemeting a "puzzle" solution provided it fits
>my needs.

Look into the following:

1. For files access for Netware or UNIX users, you will need either Netware NFS on the Netware 3.11 server, or Netware for UNIX on the UNIX system.  One of the
latest LAN Magezine covered a review of the various Netware-UNIX connectivity
software.  The main emphasis was the Sun SparcStation and the introduction of
Sunlink Netware for the Sparc.

2. For e-mail between Netware world and UNIX world, you will need a Novell
MHS to SMTP gateway.  Novell is suppose to come out with a NLM version
of the MHS, SMTP, and X.400 protocols under the Netware Global Messaging
suite.

Novell MHS is used as the "post office" of PC-based e-mail systems, where
SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) is used as the e-mail transport between
UNIX and TCP/IP-based e-mail systems.  So, to exchange e-mail, you will need a
gateway setup.

3. If you need for your PC to access both Netware and UNIX systems at the
same time, then you can configure your PC to support dual protocol stack
-- basically support IPX and TCP/IP protocols.  This way, you can login
to the Netware server and the UNIX host at the same time.  If you want to
exchange files, you can either use Kermit to transfer files during your
Telnet terminal sessions, use FTP, or setup NFS virtual drives using
PC/NFS.

Hope this helps. --GIF


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: wnelson@cmgm.stanford.edu (Will Nelson)
Subject: Booting from remote CDROM
Keywords: Sun 4/110
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:13:28 GMT


I have two systems. The system that has the CDROM drive is
rna.stanford.edu, which is a SPARCstation SLC, running 4.1.3,
with IP address of 36.96.0.237. The target system that I want
to upgrade is dna.stanford.edu, which is a SUN 4/110, running
4.1.1, with IP address of 36.96.0.13.

rna is the NIS master; dna is an NIS client of rna.
I have 39 Meg free in /export/swap and 9 Meg free in
/export/root.

I have followed the instructions in Appendix C of Installing
the SUN OS:

	on the mediahost:

	su
	# cd /usr/etc/install
	# add_client -a sun4 dna.stanford.edu

	which seemed to go ok.

	# mount -rt hsfs /dev/sr0 /usr/etc/install/tar
	# cd /usr/etc/install/tar/export/exec/kvm/sun4_sunos_4_1_3
	# cp miniroot_sun4 /export/exec/sun4/local/miniroot


	on the system I want to upgrade:

	> b ie(,ed) -a
	Boot: ie(0,ED,0) -a
	Using IP Address 36.96.0.13 = 2460000D
	Requesting Ethernet Address for 36.0.0.237 = 240000ED
                                           ^
		which is wrong             | should be 96

	and nothing happens.

	I also tried

	> b ie(,246000ED) -a
	Boot: ie(0,246000ED,0) -a
	Using IP Address 36.96.0.13 = 2460000D
	tftp: time-out.
	Boot: load failed.


It looks like it is using the wrong netmask.

Help!
--
Will Nelson
Computer Resource Administrator
The Beckman Center at Stanford
will@cmgm.stanford.edu
From: gmh@cloud.awd.cdc.com (Gregory M. Heideman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Can't find /var/yp/Makefile
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:41:28 GMT
Organization: Automated Wagering Intl.

I've got a Sun 3/60 that I installed  SunOs 4.1.1 on about 6 months ago.
I did the "Quick Install" specifying  "Full install."

Now I want to make this workstation an NIS server, and I can't
find the file /var/yp/Makefile.  Can anybody tell me where (on
the installation tapes) it is or how to get it onto my machine
wothout doing another install.

Thanks


-Greg
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Greg Heideman                |   It's Frank Sinatra, sitting in a chair,
Automated Wagering Int.      |   And he's blowing perfect smoke rings
                             |   Up into the air!" -Laurie Anderson
From: sasurguine@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Slip Configuration: slattach vs sliplogin for 4.1.1
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:50:18 GMT

Just looked at a Release for Slip-4.1.1.  Directions are to configure my
slip connection using slattach.  I suppose this means I know longer use
sliplogin for configuration purposes, and that this is due to some mvoe
on Sun's part ( The migration to SVR4 ).  Are these assupmtions correct?  Are
there any other Changes to watch out for?

--Scott A. Surguine
  E-Mail 
  ssurgui@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu
From: carr@tera.cs.umn.edu (Christopher L. Carr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: kernel building problem
Summary: help with kernel building
Keywords: kernel, eeprom
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I am trying to build a bigger (maxusers) kernel
on an ipx running 4.1.3 but the build dies
with the message that I have many undefined
variables all having to do with eeprom.

Is there some .h file I am missing??

Has anyone had a similar problem?

Is the sky falling?

--
Chris Carr
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carr@cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: What's going with tip?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:04:46 GMT

In <57800052@glas.apc.org> irl@glas.apc.org writes:


>Dear colleagues,

>I apologise if it is a FAQ, but I am a new person in the Sun world.

>My task was to connect Telebit T-2500 to our Sun-3/160 in order we can
>use it both for dial-in and dial-out connections. Sun-3/160 runs SUN
>OS 4.1.1.
    ^^^^^  Your instructions look like they're for 4.1, not 4.1.1

>Modem is to be connected to the ALM-2 Multiplexor.

>I done all the things enlisted in documentation.
>  1) I rebuilt the kernel with proper flags for mcp0

There is no longer any kernel patching done.

>  2) I done
>	mv /dev/ttyh0 /dev/ttyd0
>        mknod /dev/cua0 c 44 128

Once you get the device number of a tty port, you do a mknod (like you
did)  but you also need to create a cua1 device with ln.  Then do
a chown uucp.uucp cua* to make them both owned by uucp.  (Also, the
perms need to be 600 for both.)

>  3) I updated /etc/ttytab with the line
>     ttyd0 "getty std.9600" vt100 on remote

my ttytab entry looks like:

ttya    "/usr/etc/getty std.9600"       dialup          off remote modem

>  4) I made an entry in /etc/remote like
>     TEL0:\

My /etc/remote entry looks like:

cua0:dv=/dev/cua0:br#2400
anarchy:pn=2640181%:tc=UNIX-2400:	# a local bbs
UNIX-2400:\
	br#2400:tc=dialers:

dialers:\
	:el=^D^U^C^S^Q^O@:du:at=hayes:ie=#$%:oe=^D:dv=/dev/cub0,/dev/cua0:\


>  5) I setup modem for valid carrier detect report via 
>     ATS131=1

Then try: ttysoftcar -a (as root).


>It works fine with one noticeable exception. tip doesn't work. It connects
>to modem (anyway it says "connected") but no characters are transmitted.
>Such behavior seems to be especially strange because kermit works fine, and
                     even on its best days it doesn't ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;)

why use kermit when tip can handle [xyz]modem?

>even cat smth. > /dev/cua0 works.

>I suppose that it is tip problem, but how to get around it?

>Thanks in advance,

>Volodya Gurevich.
-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce

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From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic and SunOS 4.1.x
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:41:56 GMT
Organization: NobelTech AB

In article <1992Dec29.133805.11459@eastend.uucp> steve@eastend.uucp (Steven Roth) writes:
>
>I'm not sure if he tried the right kernel, though.  The Classic is
>a uniprocessor superSPARC.  He should have tried the sun4c kernel
>before punting.

The Classic claims to be an 'sun4m'. 
boot cdrom		- won't work
netboot sun4c generic	- won't work
netboot sun4m generic	- won't work

I have used Suns before you know. If you have anything Useful to say,
please speak up.

/Per
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