From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: Name That Deity contest!!!
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:18:19 GMT
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In article <By6Mz2.4Cw@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
>>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>: In article <By0yG9.2rM@ddsw1.mcs.com>, eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun the
>: loon) writes:
>: >>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (your god and damnator) writes:

>You specifically stated:
>"So instead I want to try something different. I want to be something else
>besides s Satanist. etc. ad nauseum....
>
>What are you doing if not dividing into categories??

Er, so what? Perhaps this person is merely looking for a new category...

>>>: Okay, answer number two:  I don't think of "perfect" and "imperfect" in the
>: way you do. Things *are*; they aren't perfect or otherwise. Perfection is
>: an artificial human standard.<<
>
>Before you can argue what you think you have to see what in general use a
>word means. You can mean apples but the words you use are pears.

>>>: If I were into perfection, a sphere wouldn't strike me as particularly
> perfect.<<
>
>You know very little of aesthetics or mathematics. Let alone of symbolism,
>for which reason you have a problem identifying to anything symbolic.

I despise artificial standards of aesthetics. I like both Mozart and Poison Gas
Research (the band, not the job :). I know lots of maths; spheres
are generally minimal "surfaces" enclosing a set "volume" in any N 
dimensional space.

>>: It has no style.<<
>
>Again you betray a poor recognition of style or aesthetics. Perhaps the
>simplicity of a sphere eludes you, but you cannot stand in judgement that it
>has "no" style. Your preception of what is stylish does not seem to have
>much dimension.

Personally, I don't think spheres as objects of worship is particularly 
"stylish" either. Then again, I worship a great slimy semi-fictional demon
from another dimension. Do What Thou Will...

>>>: > Through a telescope envisioning the cosmos, the world of the macrocosmos,
>: > again we see that inspite of asymmetric design in some cases, the general
>: > patterns is orbicular.
>: 
>: Even when an orbit is clearly elliptical it's still a circle. Have you
>: checked out the orbit of Pluto lately?<<
>
>If an alliptic is still a cirlcle, then did you read what I wrote above at
>all? Perhaps you should read a dictionary to furthyer your vocabulary.

Ellipses are circles?! 
Shit! I hear Kepler rolling in his grave!

>>>: I agree, but "that" is not what I'm after. Besides, I was looking for
>: something more sentient than a crystal sphere. Which is why I specifically
>: requested a deity, or similar person.<<
>
>
>What you requested, was: 
>
>"...I want to try something different. I want to be something else besides a
>Satanist.....I need a good symbol."

Try the sacred concrete cow's ear I keep in my room. It is a most edifying
symbol.(my god is incapable of not listening) 

>>>:However, the particular thing I'm 
>: thinking of does have definite characteristics. They are not argueable. I
>: listed those characteristics. Why did you not address them?<<
>
>
>Because your petition was contradictory and misleading. If you want to
>identify with someting other than that which you "chide" (e.g. satanism)
>then you have to go beyond that which represents that. But if on the other
>hand you are looking for the same horse with a different name then be clear
>of that idea.
>
>You asked for "something different" you asked for "something else" and you
>asked for a "good symbol". That you enumirate a series of ideas that
>contradict your looking for something other than Satanism" is misleading.

Looks like this person is looking for a "nicer" satanism so for that those
afflicted by the curse of greyface will cease to annoy and torment her with
their demon logic.

>>>: I'm not after light. I specifically listed "Night." <<
>
>How can you have night without a day to define it? Further I explained of
>Amun Ra as a metaphor and in that metaphor you should have understood a
>irrefractable light. A "hidden" light. You obviously know very little of the
>occult principles of Satanism.

!?

>No, again metaphors elude you. I really don't care what you want to believe.
>What i wrote is meant as a metaphor and a reasoning response to that
>metaphor. This, obviously, is a "suggestion" but it seems that you are on
>the defensive.
>
>Strange for one who asks of symbols that apply to "Wordly power", The
>bestial side of humanity, and dualism that you should be so squemish and
>moral that you should worry if you are to "lie"!

Hey! The satanic statements say nothing about Satanists being liars!

>>>: I don't *WANT* to represent
>: everything in one symbol.<<
>
>That's no problem. There aqre thousands upon thousands of symbols you can
>choose from. I simply implied one that was the most awsome, and seldom
>understood. In fact, it was a symbol of the Persian clergy of ancient times
>from where the word Magi comes from and their religion is considered
>"Dualism" In fact they are the source where the idea of the god of light
>have a great battle and popularized by Milton in "Paradise Lost".

I thought this sounded familliar. I suspect that you are some kind of 
Rosicruscian in disguise. They are rather fond of egyptian & cosmic symbolism.

>>>: Yeesh. If someone is genuinely interested and listens to my answers, I'd 
>: rather stay around and talk with them. If they don't (which is the case most
>: of the time) I wouldn't have gotten so far in the first place.<<
>
>Unfortunately I made the mistake of taking you seriously. By your response
>it is obvious you really don't care what anybody else thinks or answer your
>muddled confused "thinking outloud".

Such tempers around here. You sound like me when I am sexually frustrated and
overworked. 

>>> This is
>: proselytizing, plain and simple.<<
>
>Wrong again. Sabaeanism does not believe in proselytizing. Further you
>haven't got the stamina to ever be a "sabaean".

So there!

>>>: I posted on alt.satanism giving a plain and
>: simple description of what I was looking for. I never said I wanted to 
>: convert to an existing religion, did I?<<
>
>You posted on alt.satanism  claiming that you wanted to be "something else
>besides a Satanist." You posted on alt. Satanism caliming that you "want to
>try something different".
>Just what the Hell are you talking about idiot? If you do not know then
>spare us the bandwith.

Ouch! Well, she did mention just looking for a new symbol rather than tired
old scratch.

>>>: If you want to extoll the virtues of your religion, keep it in alt.sabeaen
>: where it belongs, and leave us out of it.<<
>
>You conceited insect. ;-) You have no idea what I believe in. If you mistook

*chuckle*

>If you want to extall the virtues of your opinions then I suggest you start
>by being coherant and a little lest hypocritical and neurotic.
>
>Perhaps you should not write in any newsgroup at all, till at least you get
>your act together and give Satanism a bad name ranting like a fanatical
>christian fool.

Those in glass houses?

>Eshin-Fun

Boy, that was _FUN_!
Almost as much fun as a Marshall flame!
Let the curse of greyface be lifted!!!
Happy, Happy!!! Joy, Joy!!!!

-Lupo the (happy) Butcher