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From: voneltz@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Bob Eltze)
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Subject: Re: Styx
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:05:21 -0600
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gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL writes:

>Bob T sez:

>>While I'm at it, anyone know much about their first 4 albums? _Styx_, _Styx
>>II_ (with "Lady"), _The Serpent is Rising_ and _Man Of Miracles_ (?)...Worth
>>picking up in a bargain bin?

>...I believe the first 2 albums were released on Wooden Nickel Records. I
>started really liking Styx back in the _Grand Illusion_ days and I have never
>ever anywhere seen _Styx_ or _Styx II_. The only thing I have from them is a 45
>of "Lady." So good luck on finding them.

The first 4 albums were released on Wooden Nickel Records.  They went out
of print in the early to mid 80s.  I spent my high school years scrounging
through bargan bins trying to find these, I eventually found them all except
Man of Miracles.  Except for Styx 1, they have now been rereleased on CD,
I don't know if they are available in any other format.
--
Robert Eltze
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:31:33 EST
From:         Chris Marshall <XP53@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Idiocy incarnate

LW said:

> >> "Homos are shun in the bible and the
> >>        church"
>
> I hate to say this , but Daron is right on this one if you'd like the chapter
> and verse i'll supply it. I don't want to sound like i'm Gay bashing, but from

Daron may be right in his literal statement, but the problem I think
everyone is having is the acid behind his statement ... personally,
I could care one way or the other on this ... whatever "makes your
world go 'round".

I accept your opinion because of your delivery; you obviously have
thought about this, and come to this conclusion. Fine. Daron's seems to
be a pinhead who enjoys spitting fire and brimstone ...

OMC: "I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors,
      But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor;
      And when I die,
      I expect to find him laughing..."

                                  - Depeche Mode
                                    _Blasphemous Rumors_

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From: ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins)
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Subject: Re: Cassette Prices / RMUSIC
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:34:36 GMT
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              12 Nov 1992 09:25:13 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:25:13 CST crispen said:
>
>Incidentally, I'm getting a little worried about this.  If you
>guys think I'm driving people off, tell me and I'll pull in my
>horns.

I don't get the feeling that you're hard on anybody to drive them off, matter
of fact as far as ALLMUSIC goes you're one of the cream-of-the-crop along
with many others and Ya'll make ALLMUSIC enjoyable..Flames are a part of life
................L.W.
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Subject:      LZep "The Ocean"

        Is there anyone out there that knows the story about the song "The
Ocean" by Led Zep? I've heard a variety of stories about the song and how
it pertains to Robert Plants deceased child. Is the song in fact about his
child? If it is, does anyone know the story about the child's death? Was it
a boy or a girl? Also, does anyone know about a "Led Zeppelin" discussion
list? What's the address?
        If anyone can answer any part of this question I would be extremely
happy. I've been trying to find out the story about Plant's child for a
while.

                                                 Mike N.
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Hey, Rev. Dave, I think I may have flamed this guy when he was
talking about you.

Well, we fraudulent ministers are sensitive souls, after all, and
take umbrage (look it up "DARON") easily.

What the hell, the guy deserves a few gratuitous flames.  I mean,
the talk lately about musical criticism has been altogether too high
in quality.  And I'm seriously upset that the witty redhead
(whose name will come to me after I mail this, to my everlasting
shame) hasn't come to me for some pastorly advice before embarking
on the dangerous dating game.  Surely you meant "Are you Jewish or
SubGenius", didn't you?
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From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What I got this weekend (as far as cds)
              10 Nov 1992 10:39:30 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

allmusic netters,

Thanks for answering the "Those Were the Days" query.
It was Mary Hopkin.

The Kinks did "Sunny Afternoon"

Many thanks to all responses!
Now I can let my mind rest again until another song from the
past haunts me.... :) :) :)

Mike Masuda
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Subject:      Re: What I got this weekend (as far as cds)

        Hey, that `sailing on a sunny afternoon' song is called "In The
Summertime" and it's by the Kinks.  Not sure which album it's on however.

Laura L
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DARON MCNAB <IDPM%SNYCENVM.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> sez:

>       Nice Mouth in the last post.
>
>            Do you use those kind of words in your sermon?
>
>                                               Daron
>
>                                   "Homos are shun in the bible and the
>                                          church"

Incidentally "DARON", I believe you're referring to:

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in my .sig?

Now pay attention, 'cause this is subtle.  Sonia (in the post I was
replying to) quoted someone who had said that part of the festivities
surrounding Guy Fawkes Day (today, BTW -- happy GFD everybody) is to
shout "No Popery" -- or at any rate it used to be.

Now my normal .sig (one of them anyway) appears at the bottom of this
mail.  The .sig above is a parody on it (look up the word "parody" if
you don't happen to know it, "DARON").  See, just about everybody who's
been on this list for a while would know that, and would have a nice
chuckle at it (or, come to think of it, probably not -- it wasn't that
funny -- you'd need nitrous oxide to crack a smile, but I tried).

Of course, somebody who just jumped into the list without having read
anything on the list before and started flaming about metal probably....
You get the idea.

Incidentally, "kind" is singular, so you can say "this kind" or
"that kind" but not "those kind".  Also, I think "sermons" rather
than "sermon" would be clearer --- presumably a Rev. would preach
more than one sermon in his life.

Also, I believe you meant to say "homos are shunned", not "homos
are shun".

Oh yeah, just so you don't get the wrong idea, I'm a fraudulent claimant
to a ministry in the Church of the SubGenius (I still haven't sent in
my $25 yet).  You wouldn't have heard of it.

Now that we've all had a good laugh, who is this really?
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:08:26 EST
From:         DARON MCNAB <IDPM@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Idiocy incarnate
              5 Nov 1992 17:10:32 EST from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

I've got one word for you:

                          GET_A_LIFE!
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:15:29 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      LZep "The Ocean"

>         Is there anyone out there that knows the story about the song "The
> Ocean" by Led Zep? I've heard a variety of stories about the song and how
> it pertains to Robert Plants deceased child. Is the song in fact about his
> child? If it is, does anyone know the story about the child's death? Was it
> a boy or a girl? Also, does anyone know about a "Led Zeppelin" discussion
> list? What's the address?
>         If anyone can answer any part of this question I would be extremely
> happy. I've been trying to find out the story about Plant's child for a
> while.
>
>                                                  Mike N.

Well I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers, and far more comprehensive
ones than this. But just to get started: it was a son who... hm...
crashed in a car accident(?). Read the last megapost by Michael Bloom,
he refers to one of Zep songs written in conjunction with the story.
Sorry, don't have any more info right now. But... stay tuned!
                Ilia.
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Subject: "n.n."'s $3 epiphany show-n-tell: Praxis
Date: 7 Nov 1992 08:12:59 GMT
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                                 Subtitled

      _Another installment in "n.n."'s "Good Life In Hawg Holler" series_

  I have before me something by a band known as Praxis (hey, was that
in the last Star Trek movie, or what?), titled _Transmutation (Mutatis
Mutandis)_, and I am shocked to say the least. This was "conceived and
constructed" by Bill Laswell and is on the Axiom label. I'd read a short
article on this project in a recent Musician issue, and it sounded pretty
wild from that, so when it was staring me in the face with a $2.95 price
tag, it was time to box it up and take it home.
  I'm trying to figure out a way to describe the results of playing this
CD, and can't for the life of me come up with a way to do it without doing
one of Sonia's "diving-into-the-gene-pool" reviews. Psychofunkadelectable
might be a good, one-word review. If this don't get yo' butt out of the
chair, you cannot claim to know how to act on a groove! After all, Bootsy
Collins himself is Space Bassist and vocalist here, and in finest form.
Just try to sit still in the 21 minutes between "Crash Victim/Black
Science Navigator" and the end of "Seven Laws of Woo." Go ahead. I dare
ya. A guitarist with the unlikely pseudonym of Buckethead breathes fire
into every moment of this recording, too. This is a player who should
appeal to lots of tastes -- he covers a *lot* of avant-ground.  ;)  I
think if I were going to suggest one CD to cmv this winter, this'd be it.
He would dig this without reservation.
  I can imagine Praxis to be a fusing (f-EWWWWWWW-zing!) of Vernon Reid
with Steve Vai; of Col. Bruce Hampton with Tony Williams; of Brian Eno with
Allan Holdsworth; of ELP with Sonny Sharrock... and Frank Zappa shouting
encouragement along the way. This is really good shit, and you should go
out and buy it and stop asking so many questions!!!!  :)
  The only problem I have with it is the quaint production... it's as if
they were going for a mid-'70s funk-rock atmosphere, complete with ambient
noise (provided here in the form of washes of reverb, organ, and constant
sound effects from electronic games, etc.), and in reality they may not
have used a bunch of nice gear to record this. But the music *more* than
makes up for any sonic gritiness encountered here. You know what you have
to do now, so do it!

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Subject:      pdqbach

        Hey, all this talk about PDQ Bach has startet to jog my memory.
I sang a song of theirs in high school choir.  It was a christmas tune,
something about `throwing the yule log'.  Can anyone hunt down the actual
title of this piece, and the album it's on as well?   Thanks!

Laura L
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Subject:      Re: Racking my brains...anyone want to break?

>>I don't know who does it. I think the song is called Corner Pocket, and it
>>may have been done by Weather Report of Spyrogyra, or someone like that.
>>The show was in 1987, so it would have had to have been before that. If
>>anyone can tell me the name of the group and/or album, I would greatly
>>appreciate it. I know that that isn't a lot of info, but you guys are quite
>>a wealth of info...
>
>You gave just enough info - I just happen to have 3 WR albums, and the first
>cut on their '85 recording, Sportin' Life, is Corner Pocket. Composed by Joe
>Zawinul, featuring Bobby McFerrin, Carl Anderson, Dee Dee Bellson, and Alfie
>Silas on vocals.

Paul, you're a god! Thanks soooo much...1 down four to go...

Marsha
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From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Idiocy incarnate
              5 Nov 1992 17:10:32 EST from <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:10:32 EST <RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM> said:
>
>> "Homos are shun in the bible and the
>>        church"
>
>Maybe in yours and Jerry Falwell's church, but not by any person with some
>intelligence and human decency (two things you obviously do not have).

I hate to say this , but Daron is right on this one if you'd like the chapter
and verse i'll supply it. I don't want to sound like i'm Gay bashing, but from
birth we are attracted to the opposite sex, all of nature is this way, birds
bees, all the animals. So IMHO if you are gay there are some crossed wires
somewhere......Apologies to any one who may be offened, but it's just my
opinion and my opinion is not law, so take it with a grain of salt...L.W.
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From: Thomas A. Gryn <TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: re: New Chris de Burgh album?

I have received a number of inquiries about "Power of Ten", so I have
posted the info I have received for all to share. Many thanks to Werner
Weisbrich for the info. below...looks like I'm going to be placing a call
to my friendly Europe CD importer after all...:)
                                        Tom Gryn (tag2@psuvm.psu.edu)
---

>the new cdb album is no best of. here is a description of his new one:
>--------------   c u t   h e r e   --------------------------
>1992       Power of Ten
>     Chris DeBurgh: lead and backing vocals, additional acoustic
                      guitar on 'The Connemara Coast', 'By My Side'
                      and 'Shine On'
>     Rupert Hine: keyboards
>     John Giblin: bass
>     Michael Witzel: drums and percussion
>     Danny McBride: electric guitar and guitar solos
>     Geoff Richardson: acoustic guitar, viola on 'Where We Will Be Going'
>     Tim Sanders: saxophones
>     Miriam Stockley: addit. back. vocals on 'In Your Eyes', 'Shine On'
                     and 'Talk To Me'
>     Linda Taylor: addit. back. vocals on 'In Your Eyes', 'Shine On' and
>                    'Talk To Me'
>     Jamie West-Oram: electric guitars on 'Talk To Me'

>                          4:29 Where We Will Be Going
>                          4:41 By My Side
>                          4:51 Heart Of Darkness
>                          5:05 In Your Eyes
>                          3:38 Separate Tables
>                          3:53 Talk To Me
>                          3:59 The Connemara Coast
>                          4:57 Brother John
>                          4:57 Shine On
>                          3:48 A Celebration
>                          3:33 She Means Everything To Me
>                          5:33 Making The Perfect Man
>                CD A&M 397 188-2
>--------------   c u t   h e r e   --------------------------
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Sonia writes...
>
>BTW, Marsha, I received your tapes and only had time to listen to part of the
>first tape before CRASHING but listen folks, Marsha has put together some
>absolutely DYNAMITE a cappella--just thrilling--simply FABULOUS!!!!!
>Some of it I recognize from that wonderful show on streetcorner singing I saw
>on public TV a couple years ago--we tried to record it but reception was bad
>that night.  Did you locate the sound track to that program (what was it
>called anyway--I loved it!!) ???  Marsha is some swinging dame, I guarantee it
>from these smokin' tapes.

Well, dear, I'm very glad you like them. Since you seem to be the "grande
dame" of this crew, I was a bit concerned that I would be flamed for my
tastes. BTW - "a capella junior" (or some such title) should be out by
January of February, I have been getting some new stuff...

Since Sonia has opened up this can of worms, I'll offer the same to y'all
that I did to her. Write me a letter and offer me a trade. I'd love to send
y'all the tape for free, but life doesn't afford me that much
cash....remember, I'm a starving law student! Alternatively, I'd be willing
to send it to people for a small donation (cost of tapes and mailing...)
Keep me posted (ha). I love the genre and am more than happy to share it!
Besides, it helps out a lot of groups. They are generally small and don't
make a real good living at this. The more support they get, the better!!

If there is any interest in some a capella newsletters, music
stores/catalogs, tour dates etc, I could post a list...I won't bother if no
one wants to know though...

Sonia, welcome to the few, the proud, the a capella lovers of the world!!!

BTW - those of you who can manage to get Sonia to take "Blues Roots" for
you...Do so...it's intense!!!!

Marsha "wow, someone likes my music!!" ferziger
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Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

>The Weelkes goes:
>"Hark all ye lovely saints above,
>Diana hath conspired, hath conspired with Love
>His fiery arrow to remove. . . "
>& proceeds innuedo-ingly from there on out.  What is especially neat about it
>is that the piece has three main sections distinct in melody, character, and
>rhythm & gets a bit chromatic in the middle.  I can't recall any other madrigal
>quite like that one.
>
Sounds neat! I can't recall anything like you you describe...

>I don't know any of the ones you list--not surprising; there are tons of
>madrigaux.  I've always thought well of Morley's "Fire, fire!", "April Is in My
>Mistress' Face" (or whatever the title is), "My Bonny Lass", etc.  What is this
>L'Amorosa Ero of which you speak?

> I've cone "Fire, Fire". Its nice - nut my group mangled it, so I don't believe
 that I can ever do it again with a straight face...

_L'Amorosa Ero_ is a collection of Italian madrigals (1588) all composed on
the same text by 18 different composers. Some of them are lovely, some not.
It is an excellent study of "how composers compose", because one can
compare the songs w/o some of the usual variables - country of origin,
year, and text! The modern edition was edited by Harry Lincoln, who I took
a great intro to history class with at Binghamton. For that class, I
compared two of the madrigals in orderto determine whether or not Marenzio
and Porta deserved their reputations, based on these works. (I decided
that, by the standards of the renaissance, Marenzio was either a much more
accomplishd composer, or he'd gotten lucky with _Ero_! If you can get hold
of it - they are a really nice set.

Marsha
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From:         Julie Meloni <JCMELO00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Homosexuals

Leonard askes:
>I'm curious as to how many of you are homosexuals...

It is difficult to discern exactly WHY Leonard wants to know this...but, having
been a lurker on this list for the last few weeks, I want to add my $.02 to
this flame war, although I don't really think it has a place on this list.
Y'know, Leonard, I completely disagree with your belief concerning homosexuals,
but I;m not going to be militant about it...belive what you want to believe,
but be respectfulof others (I'm not saying that you aren't).   Now, Daron
the Dipsh*t, it was a very childish, close-minded, arrogant, and downright dumb
thing that you said, y'know, the whole "fag" thing.  Now, _faggot_, actually
being a bundle of sticks (check your dictionary, heh heh), isn't really the
insult that you thought it was, so there.

OMQ: "I went looking for a girl, found a man and his world..."
     Let's hope that men like Daron aren't in charge of the world when we
     all go looking for what we want...


   Julie Meloni
   jcmelo00@ukcc.uky.edu
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>Who can recomend a good Soul singer?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, and I don't know as much
about Soul as I should, but:

Early Aretha Franklin is Godly, as is Otis Redding.

For current Soul singers I recommend Mighty Sam McClain...  He still tours,
but except for a stop in Worcester, MA on the 20th, I don't know when or
where he'll be.  (Zipping on asbestos suit)  IMHO, Aretha's stuff is more
pop than soul nowadays, and no-where near as good.  (Removing suit)

There must be people out there who know more than me about all this, but
since I haven't seen any of their responses yet, I reckoned I'd risk my
own responses.

Call me Mr. Pitiful,
jwgh
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