HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: GILMART@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin)
Subject: Re: Okay to Beat Up Gays?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:13:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.051658.16470@colorado.edu>
youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young) writes:
 
>"Say, me an' th' boys were jus' wonderin', is beatin' up one
>of them faggots discrim'natory?"
>
>Maybee its okay to at least push them around a little...
>
>PS--Satire!
 
Well, I don't know, but it shure is a intrestin' question.  If its
discrimnatory, then yew kin dew it and Amendment 2 sez they cain't
claim nothin agin yew; if'n 'tain't discrimnatory, then its meer
battery, and they kin put yew in _jail_ fer thet!
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Anti-Gay Ordinance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.202855.24255@ncar.ucar.edu> kauff@karnak.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
>Listen up Colorado!!
>From the S.F. Chronicle 11/17/92
>           JUDGE REVERSES CONCORD ANTI-GAY ORDINANCE
>     Measure M is Declared Unconsitutional and Discriminatory

>Concord's controversial antihomosexual ordinance was 
>overturned yesterday by a judge who ruled that it was unconstitutional
>and discriminatory. Contra Costa County Superior Court Judge Ellen
>James* ruled that Measure M, an initiative narrowly approved by voters
>a year ago, violated both state and federal law by attempting to remove
>protections for homosexuals from Concord's human rights ordinance.

Does anyone have any details of the ruling or the ordinance? The rest of
this post deals with the political (as opposed to legal) issues of
the ordinance. It _seems_ Judge James applied "strict scrutiny" to 
the law. It would be interesting to see if this was the case, and/or
how similar the ordinance was to Amendment 2.

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder

Xref: sparky co.politics:2315 co.politics.amend2.discuss:121
From: randy@kcin.alphacdc.com (Randy S. Welch)
Newsgroups: co.politics,co.politics.amend2.discuss
Subject: Re: more thoughts on the boycott
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:04:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Randy's own unix box..

In article <1992Nov20.221828.10398@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> peterscc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (PETERSEN CAROLYN COLLINS) writes:
[...]

   It occurs to me that if you all were really intothe idea of a boycott, you'd
   be busy looking up the names of the big businessesthat donated money and
   support to the groups who foisted this amendment off on all of us.  For
   starters, you'd have to get a list of contribtors to Colorado for Family
   Values -- like a certain car dealership in the Coloado Springs area -- and
   put pressure on those companies to explain why they supported such hateful
   legislation.  

[...]

You may want to also have your friends and family boycott such
orginazations, such as Focus on The Family,  send their books back to them
stating that you don't support organzations that don't support
'non-traditional' family units.  I believe they were behind this
amendmend, if not please keep in mind the Religious Right does have it's
own political agenda, which scares the willies out of me.

Also another thought, if for some reason Amendment 2 does not get thrown
out by the courts, I think that the thrust of the drive to get it voted
out, should be aimed at more of a *broader* rights issue, not just a gay
rights issue.

Most of the people in my office saw Amendment 2, not as a gay rights
issue, (though I agree that a person should not be denied housing or lose
their job due to their sexual prefrence) but as a pandora's box.  Have you
ever thought about what the next 'Amendment 2' could be?  No mixed Race
marriages, Thou shalt only go to church on the 'right' day ( or just go to
church ).  Or, well, just do some imanging of your own...

There have been several people in my office wondering if this is what it
was like in Germany in the early 30's.

Not to stir up too much, but just some food for thought.

-randy
-- 
Randy Welch   also known as..       (home) randy@kcin.alphacdc.com
Boulder, CO                           or   randy%kcin@csn.org
"MS-DOS is to computing as the      (uucp) {csn,scicom}!kcin!randy
 black plague was to Europe" - NH   
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 (was: What happened to all the refe)
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:01:39 GMT

In article <BxqD1H.EIH@csn.org> perrier@teal.csn.org (Perry A. Branch) writes:
> Just thought I'd mention (yet again) that this is a common mistake that
> helped ammendment 2 pass.  The laws in Denver, Aspen and Boulder AREN'T
> gay-rights laws, they make discrimination based on ANY sexual
> orientation illegal.  When ammendment 2 is in place, these laws will
> still exist but homosexuals will be excluded from their protection.  If
> you are straight (and can prove it) you will still be protected.

My oppologies...  I stand corrected.


brad
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young)
Subject: Re: ?? Colorado Boycott ??
Originator: youngm@mica
Reply-To: youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young)
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:59:33 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.162439.8028@col.hp.com>, mike@col.hp.com (Mike Kinslow) writes:
|>Newsgroups: co.politics
|>Path: boulder!csn!hp-col!mike
|>From: mike@col.hp.com (Mike Kinslow)
|>Subject: ?? Colorado Boycott ??
|>Sender: news@col.hp.com (Usenet News)
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov13.162439.8028@col.hp.com>
|>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:24:39 GMT-0:10
|>Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
|>
|>
|>Regarding the proposed Colorado boycott....
|>
|>The following counties voted AGAINST CO AM#2:
|>
|>    Boulder, Clear Creek, Costilla, Denver, Eagle, Garfield, Gunnison,
|>    Hinsdale, La Plata, Pitkin, Routt, San Juan, San Miguel, Summit
|>
|>The majority of the Colorado ski industry is located in many of these counties.
|>
|>The workers (and voters) in these counties did NOT want AM#2 to pass.
|>
|>So, who will the proposed boycott of Colorado tourism (ie skiing) hurt the
|>most.....the very people who opposed AM#2.  If the boycott is successful, many 
|>of these people will lose their jobs, homes, etc.  And all this may happen
|>not because of who they are, but what they are....Coloradoans.   
|>
|>Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't this sound a bit like discrimination?
|>
|>If you oppose AM#2, do what you may to change the situation.  However, would 
|>you please consider these people before you unfairly punish them by 
|>boycotting Colorado?
|>
|>Mike Kinslow
|>mike@col.hp.com
|>
|>.... my opinion, no one elses. blah, blah, woof, woof  ....
|>
|>
|>


I cannot think of a more civil (effective) way of protesting than 
an economic boycott.  It is unfortunate that such a boycott may 
hurt the wrong people.  One way around this is for businesses
to put signs expressing their position agains Amendment 2 in store
windows; a standard for such advertising is already in the works.

mY


PS--Remember the police boycott against "Cop Killer"?  Same thing--a
perfectly appropriate way to express your opinions.
Newsgroups: co.politics,co.politics.amend2.discuss
From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.182550.25932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine) writes:
>People should have checked out these claims, simply as a matter of
>course in deciding how to vote.

You're right, they should have.

>I hope it's reasonable to assume they did.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure it is.  There are an awful lot of people who
thought that voting for #2 meant removing special privileges that gays
had (which of course they didn't).

>I'm sure anti-gay bias kept some people holding their eyes and ears
>tightly shut to anything the "No on 2" people said/did, but even there
>you have it: anti-gay bias.

I would not claim that there is absolutely no anti-gay bias. Of course
there is. The mere existence of groups like CFV is proof enough of that.
My point is only that I don't think that Amendment 2 was largely passed
by people who wanted to put gays back in the closet. It was passed by
people who thought they were voting against special privileges for gays.

--Greg
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young)
Subject: Re: ?? Colorado Boycott ??
Originator: youngm@mica
Reply-To: youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young)
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:36:07 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.160016.19015@claven.ucar.edu>, woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
|>Newsgroups: co.politics
|>Path: boulder!csn!ncar!claven!woods
|>From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
|>Subject: Re: ?? Colorado Boycott ??
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov17.160016.19015@claven.ucar.edu>
|>Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
|>References: <1992Nov13.162439.8028@col.hp.com> <1992Nov17.055933.17706@colorado.edu>
|>Distribution: co
|>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:00:16 GMT-0:10
|>
|>In article <1992Nov17.055933.17706@colorado.edu> youngm@mica.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Young) writes:
|>>I cannot think of a more civil (effective) way of protesting than 
|>>an economic boycott.  It is unfortunate that such a boycott may 
|>>hurt the wrong people.
|>
|>Unfortunate??? It makes the whole thing into a travesty and a joke
|>if the wrong people are targeted. Reminds me of the third grade
|>teacher who would punish everybody when she didn't know who had
|>done something, to make sure that the guilty party had to suffer.
|>Never mind that the 95% of innocents had to suffer too. That didn't
|>make sense then and it still doesn't. There are more effective 
|>methods than a statewide boycott, as appealing as that is on
|>an emotional level. Contributing to the groups that are fighting
|>this in the courts would be more directly effective, and not hurt
|>the wrong people. There are a number of gay rights groups involved,
|>and also the ACLU of Colorado.
|>
|>--Greg
|>

I'm sure that no one would intentionally inflict a boycott on 
people who voted against 2, but there's no way to tell the 
difference.  Either way, people are free to do what they want
with their own money.  It's up to *us* to put an end to the 
boycott by putting an end to 2.

mY
Newsgroups: co.politics
From: perrier@teal.csn.org (Perry A. Branch)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:58:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <BxoBC2.Is5@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>>This is a (rather lame) argument in favor of discrimination in general, but it
>>does not give me a clue as to why one should be constitutionally guaranteed the
>>right to discriminate against gays, but not against say blacks.  

>Just because some people do not think that being Gay is the same 
>thing as being black?
>I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
>some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.

>>I could
>>subsitute "black" for "gay" above without changing the point.  So we should
>>have an amendment prohibiting African-Americans from protection against
>>disrimination, too?

>For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
>an inborn thing but a disorder.


Ok, substitute Jewish for Gay.  Should there be antidiscrimination laws for
all religious orientations EXCEPT for Jews?  Heck, let's just DO this little
experiment with the ballot summary.

--  Ammendment 2 ballot summary (with Jewish instead of Homosexual etc.)
Shall there be an amendment to article II of the Colorado Constitution to
prohibit the state of Colorado and any of its political subdivisions from
adopting or enforcing any law or policy which provides that Jewish orientation,
conduct or relationship constitutes or entitles a person to claim any minority
or protected status, quota preferences, or discrimination.
--

Now if I wanted to get this passed I would SCREAM about how there are
jew-rights laws (antidiscrimination because of religion) and if we're don't
pass this ammendment they will get MINORITY STATUS! with QUOTAS and EVERYTHING!
They (Jews) want SPECIAL RIGHTS!  And anyway, we all know that *God* is pissed
because the Jews have DISSED *His* son.

Does this sound familiar, historic maybe?

The point is that it doesn't matter whether you belive homosexuality is genetic
or a lifestyle choice, legalized discrimination is a bad precedent.

>>Marc Sabatella
>>marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com

>AAP

perrier

(oh, for the "Let's get rid of ALL the antidiscrimination laws!" folks, since
 that is not the case here, that argument is not really relevant.)


-- 
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Newsgroups: co.politics
From: kauff@karnak.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: Anti-Gay Ordinance
Organization: Boulder CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:28:55 GMT

... a post found in rec.music.gdead:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
sheila_momaney@radmac1.cgl.ucsf.edu writes:

Listen up Colorado!!

From the S.F. Chronicle 11/17/92

           JUDGE REVERSES CONCORD ANTI-GAY ORDINANCE
     Measure M is Declared Unconsitutional and Discriminatory

Concord's controversial antihomosexual ordinance was 
overturned yesterday by a judge who ruled that it was unconstitutional
and discriminatory. Contra Costa County Superior Court Judge Ellen
James* ruled that Measure M, an initiative narrowly approved by voters
a year ago, violated both state and federal law by attempting to remove
protections for homosexuals from Concord's human rights ordinance.
"Measure M, in its entirety, is invalid," James announced, while two
men who attended the hearing waved their hands in the air and smiled
widely. James said the measure was "virtually identical" to a Riverside
initiative that was ruled unconstitutional by the state Court of Appeal 
last year.  Attempts by attorneys for Measure M to show that such
laws have a valid public health rationale, such as stopping the spread of
AIDS, were not successful.  Attorneys representing Concord residents
and such organizations as the Bay Area Network of Gay and Lesbian
Educators, who had asked to have Measure M overturned, said they are
thrilled with the decision.  "I'm elated", said Ron Mullin, who
represented Concord resident Jim Jester.  "I'm glad it's over."
Jester, a former Concord employee who filed a lawsuit along with his
wife because he was concerned about the measure's effect on the city, 
said he is not surprised by James' ruling but is sorry that it took more 
than a year for the case to get to court.  "I'm hoping that we can move 
on from here and Concord will quit becoming a battlefield for conservative
elements...who have been using it as a staging ground to espouse their 
cause of bigotry, " said Jester, who is not gay.  Mark Zapalik, 
executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, the group 
that backed the initiative, said he is"teribbly disappointed" with 
the court ruling.  "We're going to encourage the City Council to 
review this with the attorneys who handled it for the possibility of 
an appeal," Zapalik said.  Zapalik acknowledged that most of the 
Concord City Council was opposed to Measure M, which passed with a 
margin of only 42 votes.  he said he hopes they will review the case on 
its merits to see whether an appeal is warranted.  "I think this will 
present them an opportunity to reach deep inside and do the right thing 
in spite of their tendency to not want to on this particular issue," 
Zapalik said.  Measure M was never enacted because of the lawsuit filed 
to block it.  It was designed to change a 1991 human rights ordinance 
passed by the City Council to prohibit discrimination on the basis of 
sexual orientation.
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:55:28 -0500
From: General NOC signon <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu, ops@cic.net
Subject: 11/20/92 NWU (North Western Univ) unreachable 01:19 - ?? EST

11/20/92 NWU (North Western Univ) unreachable 01:19 - 01:54 EST
due to a router crash.

This outage also isoloated the following:

AMT (Ameritech)
NSI (NOTIS Systems)

	-Thomas Christie
	 ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:01:24 -0500
From: K.A. Long <klong@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: UPR up


11/20/92	The University of Puerto Rico is back up
14:00		and both UPR and Arecibo are reachable.

Kim Long
SURAnet Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:54:50 -0500
From: slocumb@sura.net
To: status@sura.net
Subject: UPR is down


111892
7:00 am                        UPR is down
                               The university of Puerto Rico is down at this
                               time.  The downstream site (Arecibo) is also
                               down at this time.  No up time is known at this
                               time.

                                                              Thank You
                                                              A.B. Slocumb
                                                              SuraNet Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:40:30 -0500
From: vargish@sura.net
To: status@sura.net
Subject: Nuclear Regulatory Commission

11/23/92	Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)
9:20 -		The above named site is experiencing connectivity due
		to what appears to be routing difficulties. 
		Technicians, but not SURAnet technicians, are on site
		and examining the Wellfleet routers that NRC employs.

		SURAnet Operations staff are currently working with
		the on-site personnel, and we hope to have the problem
		resolved soon.

Nick Vargish
SURAnet Operations
(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:27:26 -0500
From: "Merit Network Operations Center" <noc@merit.edu>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/18/92 NSS9 College Park Unreachable 15:42 - 17:26 EDT

** Correction **
11/18/92 NSS9 College Park Unreachable 15:42 - 17:26 EDT
This was due to hardware problems with PSP-9-10.

Jeff Pufahl
ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:28:12 -0500
From: General NOC signon <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/24/92 ENSS 139  Houston Scheduled Maintenance 07:00 - 08:00 EST

    
   On 11/24/92 ENSS 139 Houston has Scheduled Maintenance between 
   07:00 - 08:00 EST to replace a T3 Adaptor on core node.
     
   Linda J. Vas
   ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
From: "Linda J. Vas" <ljv@merit.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:30:56 EST
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: On 11/23/92  from 06:00 - 06:30 EST MCI DDN maintenance

    
Between the hours of 06:00 - 06:30 EST on 11/23/92  MCI will be performing	scheduled maintenance on some of the circuits comprising the T1 and T3
backbones. While no one activity  should  result  in  a noticable impact the 
possibility for disruption (routing instabilities and dropped connections)
of service exists.
    
Linda J. Vas
ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:06:32 -0500
From: "Anthony T. Philyaw" <atp@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/23/92  ENSS 169  XLINK Unreachable 08:18 EST - ?

    
  11/23/92  ENSS 169  XLINK Unreachable 08:18 EST -?
    
  Anthony Philyaw
  ANS Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:00:04 -0500
From: "Selina F. Priestley" <sfp@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/17/92 CIC-Field Museum Natural His Unreachable 11:28 - ? EST


11/17/92 CIC-Field Museum Natural His Unreachable 11:28 - ? EST
The Field Museum Natural His is unreachable for reasons as
yet unknown and under investigation.

Selina Priestley
ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:02:08 -0500
From: "Merit Network Operations Center" <noc@merit.edu>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/19/92 NOC telephones unreachable 13:40 - 13:55

 11/19/92 NOC telephones unreachable 13:40 - 13:55

   The Network Operations Center telephones were not operational from
13:40 untill 13:55 today. 

   --- Jay Nugent
       ANS Network Operations Center
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:20:02 -0500
From: "Merit Network Operations Center" <noc@merit.edu>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 11/15/92 ENSS 139 Houston Unreachable 18:01-18:09 EST

11/15/92 ENSS 139 Houston Unreachable 18:01-18:09 EST
due to hardware problems with the core router.
All networks announced via the ENSS 139 Houston T3 node
were reachable via the T1 backbone during this time.

--Michael O'Neill
  ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:11:05 -0500
From: Tracy Bowers <tbowers@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: SURA6 down


11/19/92	SURA6 down
10:05		The SURA6 Cisco router will be rebooted because of
		memory utilization problems. Corrective action will
		be taken to try and stop any further occurence of this.




 ---<} Tracy Lee Bowers {>---
       tbowers@sura.net
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Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:03:59 -0500
From: Nick Vargish <vargish@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: JSU down for maintenance

11/20/92	Jackson State University down for maintenance
10:05 - 10:25	The above named site will be down for a brief period
		as technicians perform a cutover to a new T-1 line.
		The service interruption is not expected to exceed 15
		minutes, and no subsequent problems are expected.

Nick Vargish
SURAnet Operations
(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:18:29 -0500
From: "Merit Network Operations Center" <noc@merit.edu>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject:  11/17/92 ENSS 144 Ames Unreachable 22:15 - 23:59 EDT

 11/17/92 ENSS 144 Ames Unreachable 22:15 - 23:59 EDT
All networks announced via the ENSS 144 T3 node were
reachable via the T1 backbone during this time.
This was due to routing software problems.

Jeff Pufahl
ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:46:01 -0500
From: Tracy Bowers <tbowers@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: scheduled maintenance ...




11/21/92	The SURA6 router will be taken down Saturday, November
8:30		21 at 8:30am for maintenance.  The following sites will
		be affected:

			EDU - Educom
			HOW - Howard University 
			GRIN- National Germplasm Resources Library
			CSC - Computer Science Corporation
			ARG - Argentina
			NIH - National Institute of Health
		
		The outage will last approximately 30 mins.


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