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From: wilson@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Wilson)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:23:48 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: estoril.cs.utexas.edu

In article <11278@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>
>
>How do you all feel about this RAIN (@#*&(@*#&$@!!!!   ?????
>
>I looked at a couple different weather sources . . . and both are
>calling for rain thursday thru sunday (showers/t-storms for sat and
>sun)!!! :-(

I listened to the NOAA weather radio this morning, and they said
something like 30 or 40% chance of rain on Friday (I think) and
an un-quantified "chance of" thundershowers for Saturday (and
Sunday?).  I could be misremembering, but does anybody know
what an unquantified chance is, realistically?

Sounds to me like we'd probably be able to ride at least some of
the time if we're willing to hole up other parts of the time, and
not get too wet.  But we should keep an ear on the weather.

>Call me a weenie if you want . . .but riding in the rain for 2-3 days 
>is not my idea of fun.

Weenie.  Me too, though.

>
>OK, who's in . . . .. and how do you stand on the issue of rain??

I'm probably in for at least some of this.  Luckily, I don't have
to ride in the rain to get to Austin.

   -- Paul

-- 
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From: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:57:26 GMT
Reply-To: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <kutn64INN5a6@boogie.cs.utexas.edu>, wilson@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Wilson) writes...
>In article <210@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>>using more technologically advanced methods (read: a TV set) I determined
>>that as of 10ish thursday night it stands at 50% during the day friday
>>increasing to 70% late friday afternoon. the three day outlook showed
>>rain all the way through monday morning [...]
> 
>The weather looks pretty grim.  Is this thing happening, or is it being 
>cancelled or postponed?
> 

Mark Parsons called me this morning (*waaaaay* too early mark! :)  ) and 
said that the Houston contingent had cancelled, due to rain having already 
started.  I think things will be postponed until a later weekend.

>If it's happening, where are people meeting up in Austin, and when?

As for the austinites, I don't know.  I won't be able to show up because of 
the fact that I have to work tonight, thanks to the wierdos in the upper 
management of TAMU.  They decided it would be business as usual today, even 
though over half the campus has gone home for Easter, as of 12 noon.  

go figure.  %-/

-blaine     a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    | 1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it!!! | 1982 Thomas Transit-Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!           | 1982 Yamaha Vision
From: rodney@copper.eng.hou.compaq.com (Rodney Pesavento)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills(?) outside of Austin on Easter Weekend
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:06:21 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

In article <11157@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr9.163727.27834@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, rodney@copper.eng.hou.compaq.com (Rodney Pesavento) writes:
>|> Convince me that i should go... cuz i got some very nice maps of texas.
>|> [stuff deleted]
>
>Oh, man . .  you gotta go . . . you gotta go . . . you gotta go . . . :-)
>
>Actually, if I have to convince you to go riding the motorcycle, then you
>must not be a REAL motorcyclist/biker!!!!! ;-)
>

OH! you do NOT have to convince me to ride my moto. just mention a ride and 
i am gone. but should i go to austin with you... well... OK.

>|> [stuff deleted]
>
>Sounds fantastic!  Where'd you get your maps . . . just in case you, for
>some unknown reason, decide not to go on a jaunt to the Austin area?! 
>

ok, i'll tell my secret. just go down to the Book Stop or Walden Books and 
get an atlas-style book called _The Roads of Texas_. it was printed in 
1988 so it's fairly new and has most all the back country roads (county and 
state roads). i usually photocopy the pages i need and stuff them in my tank 
bag.

>|> 
>|> BTW, what kind of riding do you do?
>
>I've got a Honda Magna, 700 cc, cruiser style.  And I keep under the speed 
>limit at ALL times, and I'm very curtious to cagers . . . and . . . 
>and . . . and . . . I brush my teeth after every meal! ;-)

...even lunch? you better watch out or i'll get sarcastic. :-)

>
>Actually, I may not be able to keep up with your CBR in the curves (low
>ground clearance on the Magna you know, and the pegs scrape way before
>I can get it leaning like I'd want!!!! ;-)  But I guess you could say
>that I'm a *little* daring!??!?!  (This is where Eric, Jeff and Lorra
>jump in and tell you how much of a model biker I really am! :-)
>

had to know. some of the people i've riden with like to blast it along 
the straights ( 105mph-ish) and slow down for the curves! which really 
bothers me, since i like to do it the other way around.

>
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Rodney Pesavento						CBR600F2
>
>But seriously, the more the merrier on this trip.  I'm not planning any sort
>of reservations for hotels . . . just play it by ear.
>
>Any of you moto types in Austin got suggestions on what to do, where to
>go, in Austin when the day's deeds are over?  Recommendations on some decent
>places to crash (read 'not too expensive, but a safe neighborhood for the
>bikes to be parked in')?
>

my boss lived in austin for 8 or 9 years. i'll get some input from him too.

>Later guys/gals
>
>Mark
>-- 
>Mark A. Parsons
>mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu

keep me informed.

ttfn
Rodney Pesavento						CBR600F2
From: rcte2p@menudo.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Thanks for help with insurance!!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:42:09 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: University of Houston



  I would like to thank the following _very_ helpful members of our
Usenet community for providing me with information about motorcycle
insurance: (I hope you don't mind that I post your names...)

 swisher@cs.utexas.edu
 BNH5940@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU (The Midnight Shadow)
 LMoore@UH.EDU (Lorra L. Moore)
 rfs@se28.wg2.waii.com (Bob Starr)
 jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols)
 Craig Groeschel <ceg7092@tamsun.tamu.edu>


  I ended up going to NorthWest Honda on the North Frwy and purchased a
policy (lib only) through progressive.  My rate ended up $101 for a
year, which is an amount that I can handle.. :-)

Thank you again for all your help...

Btw, I had my first *real* experience in Houston rush hour today... My
first time out on the frwy and I get cut off TWICE by blind cagers....
Man... I love Houston!!!

  Actually, the drive down 45 was not as bad as I thought it was going
to be... Most cagers gave me a respectable amount of room and I didn't
feel too paranoid....  until a blind little cager in a Jetta decides
that he likes my lane better than his...

-- 
Paul S. Sears                * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
The University of Houston    * rcte2p@menudo.uh.edu (Non-NeXT Mail)
Engineering Computing Center * "A teacher effects eternity; he can never tell
NeXT System Administration   * where his influence stops."   - Henry Adams
Xref: sparky tx.motorcycles:95 rec.motorcycles:12386
From: kent@m31.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: San Antonio DoD Ride in June (before USENIX)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:21:56 GMT
Followup-To: tx.motorcycles
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <ktph0fINN3hs@yoakum.cs.utexas.edu> wilson@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Wilson) writes:
>It sounds like there's sufficient interest in a get-together/ride
>in the San Antonio area before and/or after the USENIX conference
>in June.  A few USENIX attendees are interested and a few non-USENIX
>Texans have also said they're probables.
>
>My understanding is that there's good riding terrain West of San
>Antonio, out toward Bandera.  Looking on a map, it looks hillier
>than the hill country west of here (Austin.)  

Bandera is the southeast 'jumping-off point' for most rides in the
area, mainly because of the historical 'Bandera Run' from San Antonio
to the OST down Bandera road which has been made pretty much every
Saturday morning since around WWII I think :^) You sometimes get to see
some great vintage bikes, etc. Maybe chat with some of the old-time
Bandera run pilots.

Read the course described in the recap of the tennis-ball bash. That
covers the major roads of interest, though highway 16 north of Bandera
was more of a 40mph minimum on my Sabre instead of the aforementioned
10mph (maybe they meant it was posted at 10mph). The most interesting
curves are reminiscent of the farm roads in Virginia coming down the
mountain from the Blue Ridge Parkway - you can almost reach out and
touch the next switchback.

Other areas of interest in the SA area are around Canyon Lake and
Medina Lake. Traffic problems limit the enjoyment in those areas
though, so not much point in going there.

>The 6th and/or 7th and/or 8th sounds like the most likely time.  USENIX
>is the 8th through 12th, i.e., the weekend before USENIX.
>
>The DoD Joust is the 12th through 14th, and I need to go to California
>that weekend for SIGPLAN anyhow, so I just might make it.

Info? (I gave up trying to keep up with rec.motorcycles)

Thanks
--
=============================================================================
    Kent Polk - Southwest Research Institute - kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
 Holy Hyperbola Batman! It's a pathologically coupled differential equation!!
=============================================================================
From: rodney@copper.eng.hou.compaq.com (Rodney Pesavento)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills(?) outside of Austin on Easter Weekend
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:37:27 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

Convince me that i should go... cuz i got some very nice maps of texas.
they show some very very twisty, winding road around austin, like:
2244, 2222, 2769, 1431, 969, P1, and so on and so forth. i figured if i
was gonna be lost i had better know were to be lost.  

in case you didn't know, there are some nice road north of town. FM 149 
was just paved last year, it goes through Sam Houston National Forest.
but my favorite stretch of road is between magnolia and hempstead on 1488.
very few cars travel on it and it has some fast sweeping turns.

BTW, what kind of riding do you do?


Rodney Pesavento						CBR600F2
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: romp in the hills
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu



How do you all feel about this RAIN (@#*&(@*#&$@!!!!   ?????

I looked at a couple different weather sources . . . and both are
calling for rain thursday thru sunday (showers/t-storms for sat and
sun)!!! :-(

Call me a weenie if you want . . .but riding in the rain for 2-3 days 
is not my idea of fun.

Now supposing that the weather forecast does clear up . . . this is
what I'm looking at . . . 


Friday:

meet at House of Pies on Kirby between 8:30 and 9:30.  Eric . . . . 
where is this on Kirby?

head out at around 9:30 for Austin.  Rodney . . .. got the maps?

get to Austin by . . . . 1:00?  Paul, Joe, and John . . . where to
meet up with you guys once we get to Austin?  directions?

locate accomodations first . . . so we can drop off inessentials.
Someone was curious about places on 6th, near the nite life?  Austin
folk . . . suggestions?

Head out friday afternoon for some riding . . ... .. using Rodney's
maps and/or directions from those who are familiar with the area.

Get back Friday evening and do whatever! ;-)  

Will need a rendezvous place for anybody who shows up Friday night.
Lorra?

Saturday:

Meet at Cisco's Bakery on 6th at say . . . 9:00 to 10:00.  
Brad . . . directions?

Head out from there for more riding . . . . . .

Get back in that afternoon/evening and
	1) go out on town
   or	2) head back to Houston . . . depending on schedules

Sunday:

Head out for Houston, with big grins on our faces!


OK, who's in . . . .. and how do you stand on the issue of rain??

Mark
-- 
Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
From: rcte2p@menudo.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Looking for a good motorcycle insurance carrier....
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:36:16 GMT
Followup-To: sears@uh.edu
Distribution: houston
Organization: University of Houston


{ I think that there was a discussion about insurance rates on one of
the tx.* newsgroups but I didn't follow it because it did not concern me
at the time... now, I seek such information :-(  }

Ok... First, I just purchased a 1983 Honda Nighthawk CB650SC this past
weekend (Thanks Bob!) and now I am in need of a good insurance
carrier....

I managed to get quotes from 3 different agents today and I plan on
trying some more tomorrow.  However, my quotes vary greatly in price and
I would like some tips or info on a carrier who gives the best rates.
Here are some of the quotes so far:

                    High        Mid      Low
   Liability only:  $226        155      140
   Full coverage:   $1471       590      ---

Do these rates seem reasonable?  I am 25, I have a *spotless* record and
the bike will not by my _primary_ source of transportation....  I was
told by some people that I could probably find rates as low as $50/yr...

So... what carrier do you use and why??  Have you had good service from
them??  Do you only have liability or do you have full coverage??  Is
full coverage a waste of money??

Thanks!
-- 
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Engineering Computing Center * "A teacher effects eternity; he can never tell
NeXT System Administration   * where his influence stops."   - Henry Adams
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills(?) outside of Austin on Easter Weekend
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: tx
Organization: NOT

bigbands@nuchat.sccsi.com (Craig Groeschel) writes:
]mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
]>p.s. -- Still looking for rec's on what to do in Austin, where to go, etc.
]>	when our daily deeds are done!? ;-)
]There's that BMW dealership in Austin with all the leather gear,
]recommended by someone a while back....

yea, I suppose after a long day of riding you could stop by the BMW dealer
and try on leather jackets and such. me personally, I'd rather stop in at
Pok-e-Joe's and stuff my gut with some top notch BBQ followed by a jaunt to 
B.B. Rovers to pick from their list of some 200 different brews. perhaps a
visit to one of the many pubs on 6th street as well, just about everyone's
musical tastes can be satisfied within a few blocks of that stretch of road.

my goodness man, I enjoy hanging out at the dealerships as much as anyone
but crimeny, might we try and think of something just a little bit more
entertaining?

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@zx11.Cactus.Org                                   Austin, TX
       "Gleep is not in the zoo, nor is he a lion, tiger, or bear." 
                                         -- J.E. Quist
From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Austin Thang
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:10:42 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <JET.92Apr14004203@karazm.math.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>
>First off, I just saw on the news that we're in for a weekend of
>t-storms/showers....

damn,... piss damn....  :'(

I hate it when this happens.... 

>John> Eric- When will you be here Friday?
>
>Dunno.  Depends on when I leave.  Some people are willing to take a
>day off work.  Others (lorra...) are trying to convince me to leave in
>the afternoon.

Not this Lorra.... all I said was that I was gonna find out who was
leaving Friday evening before I committed to going at all and that I had
to find out what the Lancers were doing.  If it is gonna rain all
weekend anyway, I may just decide to blow it off and head up to
huntsville or TCC for workweekend type activities.

Lorra "still undecided, but this is not an unfamiliar condition" Moore
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:15:53 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu


Thursday is our last day to coordinate this thang . .. . who in
Houston still wants to go?

I'm in, as long as it looks like we got some decent weather . . .. 

Mark
-- 
Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
From: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Ride this weekend
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:48:13 GMT
Reply-To: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

depending on what happens this weekend, I may be interested also.  Who 
was that other dude who was from this little wide spot called aTm?
Perhaps we can get together before we leave.

-blaine     a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    | 1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it!!! | 1982 Thomas Transit-Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!           | 1982 Yamaha Vision
From: jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MORE: romp in the hills(?) outside of Austin on Easter Weekend
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:01:46 GMT
	<11157@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
	<1992Apr10.140621.21247@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>
	<11217@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Distribution: tx
Organization: UH Dept of Math

"Mark" == Mark Parsons <mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:

Mark> Meet at a commonly known restaurant in the Houston area (for
Mark> those of us in Houston! :-) on Friday between, say, 8:00 and
Mark> 9:00.

House of Pies on Kirby.

Mark> How long's it take to get to Austin from Houston?

Around 3.5 hours, depending on which way you go, how fast you go, etc.

Mark> find?  let's say, a restaurant . . .  Tex-Mex sounds fine to me)

Mother's!  Mother's!  (At least that's where Lorra and I will probably
go.  Good vegetarian mexian eatin'!)


Mark> Let's see a show of hands of who's going.  Who can leave Friday
Mark> morning?  Who will be from Houston? Austin? SA? any other areas?

I can, I can.  (Unless I have to fly out west at the last minute.)

--
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From: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Possible participant
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


Depending upon whether or not our illustrious governor gives us state
employees friday as a free day, I may be able to join you fellows Saturday.
I'll probably be going to Austin to visit a friend, friday night, and
should be free for some riding saturday, if there isn't any rain... 

Where should I meet anyone/everyone?

-blaine     a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    | 1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it!!! | 1982 Thomas Transit-Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!           | 1982 Yamaha Vision
From: brad@cs.utexas.edu (Brad Blumenthal)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: romp in the hills
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:23:24 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.cs.utexas.edu

>Meet at Cisco's Bakery on 6th at say . . . 9:00 to 10:00.  
>Brad . . . directions?

Take I-35 to whatever exit brackets 6th Street (8th-3rd St. exit if
yo're southbound, 6th-12th (I think) if you're northbound).  Exit
and head east on Sixth Street (away from all the bars and stuff).  
You'll be in a mostly hispanic neighborhood; you'll pass El Lago
(makers of fine tostados) on the left.  About 1.5 miles from I-35,
on the right is Cisco's bakery; there's a big white sign with Cisco's
face on it (guy with glasses smoking a cigar).  Parking is across the
street or on the street or around the corner or wherever (relax, you're
in Austin).  

Eric is right about Mother's.  It's a great veggie restaurant, but as
an avowed omnivore ("Vegetables are something they give away free with
the meat."), I find it pretty un-filling.  All the mex restaurants
that have been named do pretty decent cheese and bean dishes for the 
more healthy and PC among us.  

Good luck on the rain, people.

Take care,
brad
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: MORE: romp in the hills(?) outside of Austin on Easter Weekend
Date: 13 Apr 1992 14:42:42 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Distribution: tx
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu



Time schedule:

Meet at a commonly known restaurant in the Houston area (for those of
us in Houston! :-) on Friday between, say, 8:00 and 9:00.

I was looking at leaving out of Houston on Friday (I GOT THE DAY OFF!!!! ;-)
sometime in the morning . . . . 9-ish, 10-ish at the latest.  Head up to 
Austin . . . . in no particular hurry ;-)   How long's it take to get to 
Austin from Houston?

Meet up with others in Austin at a predetermined rendezvous (Paul, this is 
where you come in . . . . what's fairly easy to find?  let's say, a 
restaurant . . .  Tex-Mex sounds fine to me)  Time is going to depend on
when we leave and how long it takes to get to Austin.

Oh, yeah, Paul mentioned stopping at someone's house to drop of inessential
encumbrances . . . . . any volunteers?  Or shall we scout out a hotel/motel
first thing?

Chow down, and go do some riding that afternoon.  Let's see, gotta go back 
and look at the previous posts . . .. who had the maps . . . . . anyway,
get back from some exhilirating riding and visit the BMW shop! hehehe . . . 
just kidding . . . . . 

What are your all's interests?  Drinking?  Music? Drinking? Comedy?  Drinking?
Movies? Drinking? Speak up . . ... . . Paul, and anyone else in the Austin 
area . . .... .. will need your help here too ;-)  Of course, if we go 
drinking we'll need designated drivers . . .. don't want any of you guys
wrecking your bike . . . wouldn't be able to go riding on Saturday!! ;-)

Anyway . . . .. . get up Saturday . . .for those who can . . . grab a bite
to eat and hit the road.

Depending on the 'quality' of the riding . . . . I may come back Saturday
evening . . . or just stay another night and come back Sunday morning.

Let's see a show of hands of who's going.  Who can leave Friday morning?
Who will be from Houston? Austin? SA? any other areas?  Who wants to meet
us on Saturday?  Volunteer(s) for maps and suggested routes?  Volunteer(s)
for a place to drop off excess baggage?  Wants/Desires for extracurricular
activities on Friday/Saturday evenings?  ;-)  What am I leaving out?  

Mark
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Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu