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Subject: RE: Incompatibility among Library Catalogs on the Internet
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:15:40 GMT
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I cannot resist noting that this is one of the problems that I indicated in
opening discussion on "Why should library patrons be urged to use OPACS over
the Internet?"  (Or something to that effect ...)  As more and more non-
librarians and non-techies (no put-down intended to either group) begin to
act on the PR in which librarians enthuse over the wonders of access, and
find that they are stuck with frozen keyboards, unable to print, trapped in
a void with no way to exit, and spending precious time trying to unravel
each OPACs search code, more and more will begin to doubt our PR, self-
promotion, and possibly our trustworthiness.

Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Subject: Re: User Instruction
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:25:42 GMT
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Regarding the question on how to instruct users who log onto CD-ROMs at
remote sites, perhaps I can help.  I will be giving a talk on this subject
at the "Computers in Libraries 1993" meeting in Washington DC in March.

In a nutshell, we have attacked this problem in several ways.  First,
most classes which have a large library research component get bib
instruction from a librarian and hands-on experience with the CD-ROM
network is a part of the class.  Second, interactive search tutorials
for most CD-ROMs are available on the network to lead users through
the steps of searching and using search strategy.  Next, we have placed
all our "cheat sheets" for CD-ROM use online on the network as well as
in paper copy in the library.

Context sensitive help for each database is available on our menuing
system which describes the contents of the database and where to go
for more help.  We are discussing email reference help but right now
we are offering help by phone.

Reaching off-campus users who get frustrated and give up without asking
for help is one of the biggest problems.  In the library we are able to
do outreach and check on people as they search to make sure they are
finding what they need.  This is not as easy to do with users at remote
locations.

If anyone has any ideas or comments to share with me on this, I would
be pleased to hear from you.

Margaret Sylvia
CD-ROM Local Area Network Administrator
Acquisitions & Collection Development Dept. Head
St. Mary's University Academic Library
One Camino Santa Maria
San Antonio, TX 78228-8608
acadmarg@stmarytx.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:44:23 CDT
From:         "Zia Partovi 325-3181 (405)" <UA4431@UOKMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Unix Based Lib Systems List

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This is to thank you for helping me in preparing the Unix Based Library Systems
 List.  However, some of you had asked me to post the result to the list.  I mu
st mention that I have encountered with difficulty in accessing some of the sou
rces, those available through internet, and due to time constraint I had to pre
pare the list without accessing those sources.  Anyway, Following is the List t
hat I could come up with.

Advance
Geac Computers, Inc.
14140 Midway Road
Dallas, TX 75244
(214) 490-3482

Voyager Library Series
Carlyle Systems, Inc.
2000 Alameda de las Pulgas
San Mateo, CA 94403
(415) 345-2500

DataLib
Centel Federal Systems, Inc.
11400 Commerce Park Drive
Reston, VA 22091
(703) 758-7000 or
(800) 843-4850

CLSI, Inc.
320 Nevada Street,
Newtonville, MA 02165
(617) 965-6310 or
(800) 365-0085

BIBLIOTECH
Comstow Information Services
P.O. Box 277
249 Ayer Road
Harvard, MA 01451-0277
(508) 772-2001

STAR
Cuadra Associates, Inc.
11835 West Olympic, Suite 855
Los Angeles, CA 90064
(213) 478-0066

Dynix
151 East 1700 South
Provo, UT 84601
(801) 375-2770

Information Navigator/TINLIBS
IME Systems, Inc.
990 Washington Street
Dedham, MA 02026
(617) 320-0303

TECHLIBPLUS
Information Dimensions, Inc.
5080 Tuttle Crossing Boulevard
Dublin, OH 43017
(614) 761-7446

Innovative Interfaces, Inc.
2344 Sixth Street
Berkeley, CA 94710
(415) 644-3600

MULTILIS
Multicore Library Services
4924 Reed Road, Building A
Columbus, OH 43220
(800) 753-0053

NONESUCH
Ringgold Management Systems, Inc.
Box 368
Beaverton, OR 97075-0369
(503) 645-3502

UNICORN
SIRSI Corporation
110 Walker Avenue
Huntsville, AL 35801-9806
(205) 536-5884

PALS
Unisys Corporation
P.O. Box 500, M/S B-240
Blue Bell, PA 19424
(215) 986-6423

Highland Library Systems
1350 Heather Ridge Blvd
Dunedin, Florida 34698
(813) 734-7300

Zia Partovi
Universiy of Oklahoma Libraires
ua4431@uokmvsa.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:39:21 CDT
From:         LROSS@sage.uvm.edu
Subject:      modifying telnet

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

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Here at the University of Vermont we are in the process of bringing
up a library file server which will act as a gateway to both our opac
and resources on the Internet.  We have discovered that some of the
hosts people will be connecting to do not time-out inactive
sessions.  We would like to know if anyone has successfully modified
the NCSA telnet and tn3270 communications software so that they will
time-out inactive sessions from the terminal end.


Lyman Ross
lross@sage.uvm.edu

Bailey/Howe Library
University of Vermont
Burlington, VT  05405
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:34:49 CDT
From:         U59611@UICVM.BITNET
Subject:      HARTBURN

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         I have wondered whether the Internet would strip emotion and
petty feelings from human intellectual intercourse because of the nature
of the electronic interface.  It seems not.  Now we have an ASCII-like
character set for users to display their emotions along with their words.
And low and behold we have users taking a personal dislike to each other.
Which raises the question ?   Do thought/ideas stimulate emotions/feelings
or emotions/feelings leed to the formulation of thought ?  I thought the
Internet use experience might give some insight.  Has it ?
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Subject: Re: a correction to "Finding my WAIS...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:25:20 GMT
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  A correction to the correction ...

  >  About the WAIS indexer. The indexer and the search engine are NOT WAIS.
  >  WAIS is the protocol not the search engine or the search technique. The
  > indexer and search engine are simple workable and usable examples that are

 WAIS is NOT a protocol. WAIS is built on the Z39.50-1988 NISO standard,
which is a protocol. WAIS is a VERY successful implementation of the
Z39.50-1988 standard, but there are others.
  A new version, Z39.50-1992 is out (or nearly so). RLG's announced
implementation, my server at research.att.com, and several others not yet
announced or "freely" available are based on the Z39.50-1992 standard. WAIS is
planning (last i heard) to become a Z39.50-1992 implementation. But not yet.
  ANd unfortunately Z39.50-1992 is NOT compatible with Z39.50-1988.

  By the way, Z39.50-1992 makes part of the protocol things like Boolean
 searching.
And there is an ISO SR standard (10162/10163) which is Z39.50-1992 compatible.

  Standard disclaimers from:
    Bob Waldstein    AT&T Library Network   Email: wald@mhuxd.att.com
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:38:42 CDT
From:         Lawrence Auld <LSAULD@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Citations to e-files

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

     Summary:  A request for information on how electronic files are
               cataloged and cited.

<<Please respond directly to the author.>>

I am preparing a paper on current and envisioned practices for
cataloging and preparing citations for electronic journals, articles
in electronic journals, other electronic publications, electronic
data bases, and electronic communications.  (Yes, these are
overlapping sets.)  I am especially interesting in how we can
approach the bibliographic control of items that are dynamic (often
volatile), changing as they are revised, corrected, or perfected,
replacing previous versions, often without notice or (apparent)
identification.

Handling stable electronic files would seem to be relatively
straightforward, a matter of preparing catalog records and index
citations for files that are, essentially, in a permanent,
unchanging form.  However, you may ask, Should we do this for other
(selected) electronic files and e-mail, too?  Why not?  We catalog
and index selected manuscripts and letters written on paper, so why
not selected electronic files?

Please, tell me about your experiences, observations, and thoughts.
The following questions may be helpful.  Send along examples, too.

1. Have you prepared and/or used a bibliographic citation(s) for an
electronic journal or other electronic publication or an item(s) in
such a publication?  Was it useable "as is," or did it require
modification?

2.  Was the entity that was cataloged or cited "stable," i.e., was
it in a relatively permanent and enduring format?  Or, was the entity
subject to revisions, corrections, and/or perfections?  In other
words was the entity likely to still be there <unchanged> when you
or someone else looked at it later?

3. How can the dynamic qualities of some electronic bibliographic
entities be acknowledged in catalog records and citations?  Should
we develop a form of date-stamping, indicating the provenance (time
of access, system used, etc.) of the entity cataloged or cited?

You'll probably think of some other questions that I should have
asked.  Pose them, and give me an answer if you can.

You may forward this message to other interested persons who do not
participate in PACS-L.  Also, share a paper copy with interested
persons who are not on the internet.

Thanks.

Please send your responses via either e-mail or snail-mail to

Lawrence Auld
Dept of Library Studies & Educational Technology
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27885-4353

LSAULD@ECUVM1.Bitnet

919/757-6621
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:20:14 CDT
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Subject:      Printing from OED CD

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From:         "Michael A. DiCarlo" <MIKED@LATECH>
Subject:      Re: Printing from the OED2nd on CD
We have been using Direct Access for two workstations for over a year and are
very satisfied.  The password feature allows us to enforce time restrictions an
d reservations for use at specific times.

Michael A. DiCarlo                       Bitnet: MIKED@LATECH
Assistant Director for Public Services   Internet: MIKED@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Louisiana Tech University                Phone: (318)257-3594
Prescott Memorial Library                Fax: (318)257-2447
Ruston, LA  71272
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From:     Graham Roe <LB1GFR@PRIMEA.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>
Subject:  Printing forom OED2nd on CD ROM
From:  Graham Roe, Systems Development Librarian,
University of Sheffield Library, UK
Phone: 0742 768555, Ext. 4805

You can make ONE Windows application secure by setting it to be the shell
in SYS.INI (or possibly WIN.INI): usually you have Program Manger or File
Manager as the shell, but if you make an application the shell, then you
can't get out of it withoutclosing down Windows.

What you don't seem to be able to do is to have two or more applications
running, but not Print Manager or File Manager.
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From:         Norm Desmarais <NP180003@BROWNVM>
Subject:      Re: Printing from the OED2nd on CD
Fifth Generation reps tell me there is no Windows version of Direct Access avai
lable yet.  They say they/re working on one but didn't give any indication of r
elease date.  They also tell me that the current versions of Direct Access and
Direct Access Network will not support Windows applications.
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Subject: Library Automation--Comments & Questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:29:40 GMT
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3 Messages, 69 Lines
1) Variant Spellings/Misspellings
2) Network Utility Request
3) ADONIS and Ariel--Response
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From: "Pro Staff" <ny0078@mail.nyser.net>
Subject: Variant spellings/misspellings

    Our OPAC (DYNIX), like some others, can be set up with a list of
variant spellings of words so that keyword searches of any variant will
produce hits including all variants.
    In reviewing our OPAC search tracking reports, however, we note an
alarming number of no hits due to misspellings. Is anyone using the
variant spelling capabilities of their OPAC to include common misspellings?
Or, has anyone consciously not used this feature so as not to encourage
misspelling behavior?
    Another option available to us is to add an electronic dictionary to
the system, but it's hard to say whether patrons would use it--or could
properly use it--after an unsucessful search attempt.
    For author and subject indexes, creating SEE cross-references is another
alternative, but the idea of actually displaying a misspelled word makes
me cringe.
    What would Dan Quayle say?
                            Jerry Kuntz, Automation Manager
                            Finger Lakes Library System
                            ny0078@mail.nyser.net
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From:         "Bob Samson"  <SAMSON@library.uta.edu>
Subject:      network utility request

I had recently issued a request for information on a network utility
which would allow me to connect the ports of an OCLC communications
controller through an async server on a Novell network.
Unfortunately I didn't completely read the new Passport manual before
I issued my request and the answer is right there in the manual.

Many thanks to those who already responded to my original request.

Bob Samson
Assistant Director for Automation Services
University of Texas at Arlington
University Libraries
P.O. Box 19497
Arlington, TX  76019

(817) 273-3000 x4955
SAMSON@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU
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From: k.webb@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject: ADONIS and Ariel

I asked Henk Compier, ADONIS Marketing Services Manager, about the possibilities
of linking ADONIS and Ariel, and this is his response (posted with his
permission):

Although in theory ADONIS could be linked to Ariel (and a number of studies
conducted by various ADONIS subscribers seems to indicate that this is possible)
it has not been practically implemented yet.  Any research on this subject as
far as I know, is still rather theoretical.  To this date we have not had any
discussions with RLG or other parties to link the two technologies.  Although
it is not unthinkable that eventually the two technologies might be linked we
are not seriously pursuing this.  If this ever happens we will naturally
inform all our customers.

Kerry Webb
national Library of Australia
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:36 CDT
From:         Judy Reynolds <JUDYR@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      CitaDel

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

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Pacs-l readers,
   Has anyone had experience providing endusers access to RLG's CitaDel?

My library is interested in your perceptions of how easy the system is
for patrons to use, how much staff support is required and what level of
students find the system useful.

   Please direct your comments to me.  Thanks
        Judy Reynolds, Library, San Jose State Univ.
        judyr@sjsuvm1.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:13:01 CDT
From:         "(Carol Sullivan)" <CSULLIVA@afit.af.mil>
Subject:      FirstSearch Service Policies

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
About a month ago, I asked about policies for providing free FirstSearch
service to patrons.  Here's a summary of the responses I received.

A couple of academic libraries provided access through an open
authorization account.  It's the easiest way to go, but monitoring usage
can be a problem.  It's impossible to know how many searches each user is
performing, and even determining WHO is using the service (faculty,
students, etc.) is difficult.  Neither library had much of a problem with
abuse, although one library had some severe spikes in weekend usage until
they uncovered a library school student who was using FirstSearch at a
public terminal for hours at a time!

Two other libraries handed out free authorization cards to patrons.  With
this method, it's possible keep track of who has cards and how many
searches each person is allowed.  The main problem seems to be wasted
searches - a patron picks up a card and then doesn't use all the searches.
The library ends up paying for searches that were never used.  At one
library, only 25% of the card searches that had been paid for and
distributed were actually used.  Reclaiming unused searches looks to be
very difficult if not impossible - I got mixed input on that issue.  One
librarian told me that it would be possible to find out how many searches
were unused on each card using the administration functions on FirstSearch,
but then she conceded it would be a lot of work to do.

A couple other libraries recommended that we either charge for cards, or
set up authorizations for each department and charge back for usage.  These
approaches certainly help the cost and control problems, but they're not
workable for my library.  We're restricted from charging our users for
library services - we don't even have overdue fines.

We're holding off on FirstSearch for now, although we are still interested
in providing access to article indexes for our users some day.

Thanks to all who responded to my question.

*****************************************************************
Carol Sullivan, Systems Librarian
Air Force Institute of Technology Library
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, OH
csulliva@afit.af.mil
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:35:50 CDT
From:         Reed Altemus <IQM104@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      The French and William Gibson

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

In response to Jack Kessler's call for advice:
----------------------------Original message----------------------------

That's exciting news that there's an Internet-available French opac!
I'm over there now, and there are some people here who'll be very glad
to hear about this. I just tried it, and did get through using normal
telnet (without tn3270), but they seem to require a login and
password: just hitting <enter> at their <.> prompt doesn't seem to
work. It'll be fun telling friends at the Polytechnique that they're
on the Matrix (they've all read William Gibson and think we're a
little wierd). Please advise?
>
I can understand the French reluctance to accept William Gibson as
the icon of cyberspace. I've read The Neuromancer and his latest, but could
never understand the fascination with citing Gibson as the source
material for cyberculture, and always thought some of the more visionary
scientists like Vannevar Bush and his Memex were a more appropriate place to
point people when they asked.

Reed Altemus
SLIS URI
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:38:00 CDT
From:         Susan Adler <adler@monty.rand.org>
Subject:      United Nations Resolutions and Decisions

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone know whether UN resolutions and/or decisions are available
either from an online pay service or via ftp?  I called the UN to obtain
copies of speeches given during the recent General Assembly meetings and it
turns out I'd need to call each country's mission in NY to get copies.
Aaargh! (to quote Homer Simpson); there must be an easier way...
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:35:30 CDT
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Subject:      MLA Access

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From:    BURCHFLD@jade.bucknell.edu (Jane Burchfield)
Subject: RE: Access to MLA Index
MLA is also available on Wilsonline although the backfile only goes back
to 1981.  I called Dialog to ask them about the MLA situation and got a
rather hazy explanation.  Does anybody know what happened? Luckily, I
have access to FirstSearch!

Jane Burchfield
Bucknell University
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From: "Fran E. Rich" <frich@tenet.edu>
Subject: Re: Access to MLA Index


Just reading the cover article of the Oct. '92 DATABASE mag. on dead
databases by Barbara Quint. She says its available on Wilsonline, OCLC
EPIC and FirstSearch. To quote: "At the time of its removal from DIALOG,
rumors circulated that some large universities were licensing database
tapes from MLA for tens of thousands of dollars in subscription fees,
adding the file to their OPAC (online public access catalog) files. Not
true, says MLA. They only have one arrangement with a university and do
not actively market tape leasing." (p.22) That university is not mentioned.
I'd say you're out of luck.

Fran
frich@tenet.edu
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