HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Connection Sites
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.174125.5031@SSD.intel.com> daveb@SSD.intel.com (David Billstrom) writes:

   A friend would like to connect to the net from her office
   in Connecticut.  She works for a for-profit corporation.
   Any suggestions on who she could buy a connection from?

   I seem to remember seeing a list of such vendors on the net,
   but after searching all of the various news. groups I could
   remember, I couldn't find it.

   Happy to receive an answer on this by mail, but I imagine
   others could benefit from the news as well...

Don't know where that one is, but it's probably listed in the `List
of Periodic Informational Postings' in news.lists, news.announce.newusers,
and probably news.answers.  It's also available via anonymous ftp from
pit-manager.mit.edu:

% ftp pit-manager.mit.edu
220 ..... ready.
Name (...): anonymous
331 ... send ident as password.
Password: my-loginid@my.host.domain
230 Guest login ok,.....
ftp> cd pub/usenet
250 ...
ftp> ls news.*/*nformat*
200 ...
150 ...
[...]
news.announce.newusers/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_I
news.announce.newusers/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_II
news.announce.newusers/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_III
news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_I
news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_II
news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_III
[...]
ftp> cd news.lists
250 ...
mget List_of_Periodic_Inform*
[...]
ftp> quit
%

If you don't have ftp, send message
send usenet/news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_I
send usenet/news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_II
send usenet/news.lists/List_of_Periodic_Informational_Postings,_Part_III
to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu .  Send "help" for mail-server help.

`Welcome to news.newusers.questions!' in this group gives lots of
pointers for info.  Please read it.

--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> {+1 804/864, or FTS 928}-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23665-5225
From: bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will B Bell)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: "Wasted" Bandwidth
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:01:05 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX

In article <01050133.0abmpd@caligula.cts.com> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
>When people get flamed here for not posting to the correct newsgroup, aren't
>the flames wasting as much bandwidth as the questions themselves, or as much
>as an answer to the question? I can see saying, "BTW, it would have been better
>to ask this question on x.x.x," but not posts devoted to telling these new
>users who, by definition, really aren't up to speed on these USENET things,
>that they should go somewhere else for an answer, when an answer could have
>been provided fairly easily.

It's not an issue of wasting bandwidth, it's an issue of promoting learning.

If someone needed to know the answer to some complex math problem and I 
simply told them "3.99102", how useful is that answer?  Sure, they got
their answer, but what happens when they have another question?  At some
point in time, they will need to learn how to find answers for themselves.

It seems that people in general, and particularly inexperienced users
of Usenet, want their answers handed over to them in the quickest manner
possible.  This is counterproductive to the learning process.  By supplying
pointers to where the information can be found, not only will the user
answer his question, but he could discover a source by which future questions
can be answered.

And regarding the "flaming" issue:

The reason that Jonathan K. and the rest of us sometimes sound a little 
abrasive is because it's quite frustrating when new (and old) users don't 
take advantage of the voluminous resources available to them.

The posting "Welcome to News.newusers.questions" is not very long and it 
explains very clearly what new users should do in order to get their 
questions answered.  It's kind of the "root node" which points to other
sources of information, which in turn point to still more sources, 
and so on.

Unfortunately, people don't seem to want to read these postings.  They 
want instant gratification of their needs by whatever means possible.
I guess this is just a problem that we'll have to deal with.

WBB

(Whew!  I'm starting to sound like a report for a "Computers in Society" 
class...)
--
Will Bell -- bell@cs.tamu.edu -- Gasp! and Drool!
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: u7911013@ccsun11.cc.nctu.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Subject: Re: Size of the Internet?
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:31:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.035454.5852@news2.cis.umn.edu> rodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Rick Odeen) writes:
>Does anyone have any current statistics on the size of the Internet?
>I am looking for info on approximate number of users, number of universities,
>government agencies, etc with access.  Please list references.

it sounds like you are looking for RFC1296, "Internet Growth(1981-1991)"
which can be anonymous FTPed at most famous ftp sites.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Huang, Chih-Hsien, EE Dept., National Chiao Tung Univ., Taiwan, R.O.C.
Internet: u7911013@cc.nctu.edu.tw     BITNET: 7911013@TWNCTU02.bitnet
From: bt720@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Will Stephen Gollihar)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: America Online.
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:04:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.180430.20939
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


The America On-Line number is 1-703-893-6288 or 1-800-827-6364.
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: postscript translatn?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.1458.1664@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:

   Distribution: news

This distribution is wrong.  If your software put it in automatically,
then please ask whoever maintains your software to fix it.  If you put
it in by hand, then you shouldn't have.  If all you're going to use in
the Distribution field is one of the main hierarchy names, then you
should leave it blank or put "world".

   I downloaded the _Zen and the Art of the Internet_ booklet by
   FTP.  The only problem is that it's a Postscript file (.PS) and I
   can't either read it or print it on my non-Postscript Laserjet.
   Is there a Postscript-to-ASCII translation utility, or
   interpreter, in either UNIX or MSDOS? Thanks.

It is nearly impossible to reasonably "interpret" PostScript into
ASCII. It is, however, possible to strip out all the command sequences
so that you are left with only the text that was in the PostScript
file.  See the posting entitled "re-vamped PostScript to ascii-text
converter." in the alt.sources archives.  If you don't know how to do
that, read:

Subject: How to find sources (READ THIS BEFORE POSTING)
Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted,news.answers

Available in the indicated USENET newsgroup(s), or via anonymous ftp from
pit-manager.mit.edu (18.172.1.27) in the file:

/pub/usenet/news.answers/finding-sources

Also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu by sending a mail message
containing:

send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources

Send a message containing "help" to get general information about the
mail server.


					    eliot 

It is not a very good idea to include non-ASCII control codes in
postings to the USENET, unless they are international language codes
and you are posting in a newsgroup where such codes are expected.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
		 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Need a USENET/or/Internet connection.
Distribution: USA
Date: 5 Apr 92 02:30:36 GMT
Organization: Blue-Knight Productions

       =======================================
          I am posting this for SOMEONE ELSE *****
         IF you are going to reply please use the EMAIL ADDRESS 
          That he gives you... please do not respond in EMAIL to my ADRESS
                       THANK YOU!!!!
       ========================================


===== 
From: gmullins@dom1.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil 
To:   USENET and/or INTERNET System Administrators 
 
SUBJ: USENET ACCESS 
 
I am looking for a System Administrator that carries USENET who is 
willing to sponsor a single account on her/his system for the purpose 
of accessing the USENET Newsgroups. I can Telnet to systems on the 
Internet (My host system does not carry USENET.) 
 
If you can help me please E-Mail: 
 
        gmullins@dom1/nuwes/sea06.navy.mil  <- Internet addr 
 
        G.MULLINS.5                         <- GEnie addr 

--
    _____________________________________________________________________
   |                                                                     |
   | Yury German                  yury@bknight or yury@bknight.jpr.com   |
   | Blue-Knight Productions      GENIE EMAIL: Blue-Knight               |
   | (212)218-1348                (Graphic Design and Video Productions) |
   | (718)321-0998		  P.O. Box 985, Queens, New York, 11354  |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Poster-counting scriptfile?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:57:34 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

Does anyone have a shell script that counts up the posters in a newsgroup?
I would like a copy, if there is one.
-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
From: dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: where to advertise?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:19:05 GMT
Reply-To: dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
Organization: IPST, U. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Apr15.201941.10328@uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.161050.27401@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911030@ariel.yorku.ca (STAVROS TSOKOS) writes:
>>Sorry for the inconvenience.  Could someone tell me where the most
>>appropriate newsgroup(s) is/are to sell IBM software and hardware.
>
>I am not quite sure myself, but the most probable person to know is
>Jonathan Kamens jik@pit-manager.MIT.EDU who maintains newsgroups'
>FAQ lists in news.answers and at his site.  In general a good place
>to ask where a subject is discussed is news.newusers.questions.  [I
>have directed followups there].  I hope this helps to get you
>started. 
>
>   All the best, Timo

Try misc.forsale.computers, and there may be a local .forsale group where you 
are.

Dr. David L. Matthews, IPST, Univ. of Maryland, College Park MD 20742-2431 
Telephone  (301)405-4830	Internet   dmatthews@uap.umd.edu
FAX 	   (301)314-9363	NSI/SPAN   UMDUAP::DMATTHEWS
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: LJ10629@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Internet to Genie
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:14:17 GMT


Can anyone tell me if there is a gateway to Genie from Internet.
From: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: De-zipping stuff on-line...
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:34:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.153427.1703
Reply-To: bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Since I still haven't been able to get programs like de-arc and de-zip
I was wondering how I'd be able to take the other approach, ie: could
I unzip,de-arc a program (Alchemy, the graphics program is the one
I'm talking about primarily) online and then download it in an 
.exe format? Any info/help is greatly appreciated...
Bill
-- 
Where's my pardner? where's my pardner? THERE's my pardner! == Cactus Jack
From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How to be anonymous netter
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: moose.8APR199219060996
Reply-To: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Distribution: news
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 14 hrs, 56 mins until the first quarter of the moon (U.T.)

In article <CKD.92Mar26175825@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
> Maybe some of us believe that anonymous posting...
> is generally a bad idea, because it encourages people to be even more
> irresponsible than usual on USENET.

Yeah, but you're answering a "how to" question with a "why NOT to."  Oh, I see,
you're not telling "how to" to keep people from going wild with anon posts. 
Isn't this an example of the "security through obscurity" principle, which is
generally considered to be fundamentally unsound?

Face it, NNTP allows anon posts, and people are going to find out how to,
sooner or later.  It may be A Bad Idea, but when did that ever stop anyone?

Besides, I've generally found that the quickest way to turn people off anon
posting is to tell them how to.  It's amazing how quickly people lost interest
when they find out how easy it is to forge posts.  It's the Usenet equivalent
of a CRASH program -- it takes the glamour out of the act.  Until you tell 'em,
they're going to believe that it's some amazingly nifty technique that confers
the "wizard" status on you.

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, RAO%MOOSE@UMNACVX.BITNET>
From: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Why do people have -- in there .sigs
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:50:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

In a msg of <Monday March 23 1992>, Christophe Wolfhugel wrote to All:

 >> In my case (and I suspect in most cases), the two hyphens are
 >> generated by the news posting software in C-news.
 CW> Correction: two dashes + a space ('-- ').  But too bad, this is a
 CW> widely used habit, not not wide enough for me...  It would be nice if
 CW> all software designers use that string as default.

Indeed, this is added by the posting software, in most if not all cases inews.  In the FidoNet community, this is refered to as a tearline, and usually also contains the product ID of a reader or mail processing program.

It is used, among other things, to  assist in tracking down the reasons for bad postings...

Cheers,
-- jra

--  
Internet: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG
UUCP: ...!uunet!myrddin!tct!psycho!160!Jay.Ashworth
Note:psycho is a free gateway between Usenet & Fidonet. For info write to
     root@psycho.fidonet.org.
From: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Citing a USEnet posting (adademic)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 22:46:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

In a msg of <Saturday March 21 1992>, David Richardson wrote to All:

 DR> My best guess (based on no research whatsoever):
 DR> Doe, John (jd@podunk.edu) "Micaelangelo at podunk U",
 DR>         USENET (comp.virus), Mar 8, 1991.

I have seen bibliographic citations to Usenet postings in several commercially published books.  That is very close to the cite style they used, although one book did mention article numbers.  Viz:

Doe, John  (jd@dunk.podunk.edu) "Michaelangelo Meets Peter Norton",
       Usenet article <221bbakerst@podunk.edu> in comp.virus, 8 Mar 1991.

Cheers,
-- jra

--  
Internet: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG
UUCP: ...!uunet!myrddin!tct!psycho!160!Jay.Ashworth
Note:psycho is a free gateway between Usenet & Fidonet. For info write to
     root@psycho.fidonet.org.
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How do I post to multiple newsgroups?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:28:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.014435.12245@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@johnker.henr801@xerox.com (Marty Leisner x76704 siena) writes:

   How do I post to multiple newsgroups?  Pnews (in using rrn-4.4) doesn't seem to
   want to...

Define "doesn't seem to want to."  What did you try, exactly?  What
were the results?  Have you read the "Welcome to
news.newusers.questions!" posting in this newsgroup, which explains
that your posted questions should be as detailed as possible?  It also
explains that you should read a newsgroup for at least a few days
before posting in it, and if you'd done that, you would have seen the
answer to your question, which was posted on Tuesday in this
newsgroup.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
		 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
From: faris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Faris Alshemmari)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: How to start new newsgroup
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:33:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I need to start a new newsgruoup. Would anybody help me to do so.
I am not a knoweldgable person of the network, so please be as simple as you    can.


				    Thanks in advance
				    Faris Alshemmari
				    faris@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: wernercg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig Werner)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Looking for VNEWS 4.1 Documentation
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to get an
electronic copy of the documentation for VNEWS V4.1.  Our system uses
this software, but the latest documentation I can find is for V4.0.

Thanks.

Craig Werner <wernercg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu, wernercg@ubvms.bitnet>
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Re: How can you get on the net ?
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:33:52 GMT

In <1992Apr8.181356.16381@ryn.mro4.dec.com> fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Richard Fromm) writes:

>If you don't work at a company or go to a school that has net access, how
>can you get on the net?  I have a friend who would like to be able to send
>e-mail to people with Internet addresses.  Can an independent person get
>an Internet account somewhere?  Can this be done through services like
>CompuServe and Prodigy?  Is there any cheaper way?  He primarily wants the
>account for e-mail.

Compuserve allows send and receive internet mail, however, Internet mail
is not included in their flat rate option.

>Is this the right newsgroup to be asking this question?  If not, could
>somebody point me in the direction of a more appropriate newsgroup?

This is the correct place.

>Please respond via mail.

Paraphrasing from Emily Postnews: It's tacky to post a question and ask
for mail replies. If people have to read your post, your should be courteous
enough to read their posted replies. Besides, others may have the same
question and want to know the answer.
-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          ken@wybbs.mi.org
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: bt720@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Will Stephen Gollihar)
Subject: Re: TENET ??
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:18:43 GMT


Tenet is the Texas Education Network through the University of Texas in
Austin.  kThe number is 1-800-258-3638.  A person must be in the education
profession to gain access at this time.
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: tek@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Ted Kim (Random Dude))
Subject: HP New Wave
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 22:46:24 GMT

Which newsgroup discusses HP New Wave?

I seem to remember that there was a proposal for a new group
to discuss the subject, but I think it was defeated. 

Is comp.sys.hp the correct group?
Or is the discussion somewhere else?

-ted

--
Ted Kim                           Internet: tek@pram.cs.ucla.edu
UCLA Computer Science Department  UUCP:     ...!{uunet|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!tek
3804C Boelter Hall                Phone:    (310) 206-8696
Los Angeles, CA 90024             FAX:      (310) 825-2273
From: r2yh2@VAX1.uakron.edu (Yang Hu)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Free Access to Hypercube
Summary: I need a free access to hypercube
Keywords: FREE ACCESS HYPERCUBE
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:20:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.parallel
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio



-- 
As a graduate student, I am doing research on parallel numerical algorithms
development. I tested my algorithms on Shared memory and SIMD systems.  I need
to extend them to Hypercube. It will be greatly appreciated if anyone give me 
a free access to Hypercube or any information about free access to hypercube.
From: pep@pavnet.pcn.org (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How do I find these mess. Bases
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:11:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: pavnet.1992Apr15.021154.705
Reply-To: pep@pavnet.pcn.org (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
Followup-To: news.newusers.questions
Organization: PAVNET

As quoted from <1992Apr13.203108.16279@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> by bj608@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert S. Williams):

> 
> I want to find the message bases for several usenet SIGs .
> For example how do I get to comp.sys.handhelds? or 
> comp.sys.palmtops??
> 

In trn or rn, or some of the other newsreaders, you just type 

	g comp.sys.handhelds
or
	g comp.sys.palmtops

-- 

Phil Pavarini, Jr.                     Pavarini Communications Network 
Tel +1 216 891 1122 -- Fax +1 216 891 0009 -- VM +1 216 243 0012 x1122
P.O. Box 360302, Cleveland OH 44136 INET: pep@pcn.org UUCP: pavnet!pep
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: "Wasted" Bandwidth
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:14:26 GMT

In article <01050133.0abmpd@caligula.cts.com> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
>When people get flamed here for not posting to the correct newsgroup, aren't
>the flames wasting as much bandwidth as the questions themselves, or as much

That in fact is a FAQ, or rather a frequently debated issue.  If we
talk of "flames" in the positive sense, that is giving genuine
guidance, these issues are far from a simple bandwidth questions. 
Especially in new users' groups (but also elsewhere) you have to
account for the fact that by posting the pointers one gives the
information simultaneously to a great number of users potentially
not having the information.  Common sense should prevail in striking
a balance between posting and emailing these pointers.  In
particular, persons who write much on the news (FTP site moderators
like yours truly, newsgroup moderators, etc) have to do quite a
balancing act in this respect, yet someone always will have a
different view. 

One can see term "wasted bandwidth" so often thrown around all too
lightly in the news just for the glee of having such a nifty
expression in one's vocabulary without really stopping to what it
entails. 

Abusive or flippant flames on the other hand won't be useful for
anyone. 

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun