HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Noise on the 01/W and Wavestation
Summary: Anybody else have this problem ?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:56:32 GMT

I own an 01/W fd and since the day I bought it, it produces this high
pitched purring when turned on, like a test transmissional signal on the
T.V. You don't notice it when you're playing, but when you're not, it's
very evident and can be quite loud indeed when you're working alone.
It's irritating enough to make you turn off the keyboard when you haven't
been near it for over ten minutes. A bit of a drawback.
A friend of a friend has a Wavestaion and he has the same problem.
I've seen both these keybaords in shops and nearly all of them are fine, but
there are still some of them that hum.
I think it's the fault of the separate transformer for the L.C.D. display.
Can anybody shed any light on this or have they experienced similar
problems ?
Any help welcome.

Paul

P.S.

It would also be great if anybody knows if it is a simple service matter
to get rid of this problem.
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From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Marco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,comp.music
Subject: Would a DX100 patch work in a TX81Z(both are Yamaha)???
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:16:33 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Are the Yamaha DX100 and TX81Z structured same for patches???  That
is would a Dx100 patch work in a TX81Z??? 

BTW, could some kind soul with a DX100/DX27 post the settings for the
'Solid Bass' preset.



Thanks

	ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: Please post to rec.music.makers.synth
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:26:40 +0000

All my articles (except this one) are going to go to r.m.m.synth. I'll be
editing all headers so that replies go there as well. Questions here get
answered there.

Kicking and screaming into the nineteenth century...

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: About reading music (was: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:45 GMT
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu

In article <1ijfc1INNog5@cs.tut.fi> kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi writes:
>From article <C0FsKo.9uM@boi.hp.com>, by rdm@boi.hp.com ():
>> When I told the salesman my predicament he replied "do you want to learn
>> to read music or to play the piano?"  I was puzzled....  I still am....

>> How *do* good (musically proficient) readers operate: dots->fingers
>> directly, or dots->some_internalised_musical_understanding->fingers?

>I would say it is definitely "dots->understanding->fingers".

>Another though to confirm this: many keyboard players can do dots->
>undestanding->transpose->fingers in real time.

Before I started learning piano, I could play some other instruments
and sing.  I had learned how to sight-read and transpose on the
others, and wanted to learn on the piano also.

When I decided to learn piano, I wanted (what I thought was) a
comprehensive program, so I decided to get a (human) teacher.  By
asking questions I can get, not only feedback on how I am playing, but
suggestions on style, on practice material, etc.

However, not everyone wants all of this.  If you're mostly concerned
with playing songs, then perhaps the Miracle is for you.

At my current level, I can sight read some simple (second grade)
pieces passably.  I do try to look ahead, but I also take notes of the
chords (broken or together) that I'm playing.  That helps when
transposing because then all I have to think about is the scale degree
these notes/chords are a part of, and transpose accordingly.  However,
for harder pieces I have to approach them a few measures at a time.
For songs I know pretty well, I can usually rely on my ears to tell me
whether I am doing the right thing without looking at the music.

--gregbo
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Re: Wavestation editor
Summary: There's one available called MidiQuest
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:52:30 GMT

In article <C0FpJC.1uz@sci.kun.nl> bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Who knows if a Wavestation (ordinary, EX, A/D, SR) editor is available
>for the Atari ST computer? If so, what are the names of the packages?
>

I have the MidiQuest general editor system for the Atari and that will
edit basically any synth there is. I got it for $175. You can a specific
only editor for one synth for about $65. The company is SoundQuest in
Canada.
In addition I have a specialised Wavestation editor at home
which looks quite good.
I don't own a Wavestation, so it's not that good to me at the moment.

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ray@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (klos,raymond l)
Subject: Midi Guitarist
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:02:16 GMT

What is the phone # or address of the Midi Guitarist magazine?

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake Blues)
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem wrote and boy is he pissed...
Reply-To: sunthej@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:56 GMT


	The worst thing about it was that I could hear his voice the  
entire time I read it.  Scary Stuff.

							Jake

And I'm a little disappointed that he didn't close it " I'm Casey Kasem"
From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: CD-ROM Drives & K2000R
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:55:34 -0800
X-From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
X-Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Followup-To: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
X-Date: 7 Jan 93 11:13:38 -0800
X-Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

I need feedback from anyone who uses (or knows a lot about) a CD-ROM drive with
their sampler (or whatever instrument). In particular, I want to know if anyone 
uses the NEC CDR-74. I want to use it with a Kurzweil K2000R. Kurzweil says 
only Sony and Toshiba drives have been tested at this time, but Sony is quite 
expensive, and I have never forgiven Toshiba for being involved is selling that
milling machine to the USSR (used to make quiet propelors for submarines,
setting us back about 5-10 years). PLEASE HELP!
-Jeff Adams
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:19913 rec.music.makers.synth:1218 comp.music:6056
From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,comp.music
Subject: WANTED:Alesis DataDisk
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:29:03 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello,
   I am interested in buying an Alesis DataDisk if anyone would happen to have
one for sale.  Thank you very much and keep on doing what you do.

Robert Williams
MANNA-MACHINE
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: pja@snakemail.hut.fi (Petri Juhani Jarre)
Subject: Re: K4 and K5 compatability
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:27:32 GMT

In article <1637@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:
   What are the differences between the Kwai K4 and K5 synths?

About everything. K4 is a standard sample playback / substractive
synth hybrid.  K5 is a corner cutting version of additive synthesis.


   The main thing is for the single patches to be compatable.

No.

--
 Petri Jarre          !!                        It's a sky-blue sky.     
 pja@niksula.cs.hut.fi	!!                  Satellites are out tonight.     
 468 2760      	       	  !!                  Let X=X
 JMT 6 C 222b - 02150 ESPOO !!                              - Laurie Anderson
From: martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Please post to rec.music.makers.synth
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:51:43 GMT
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway


In article <1ien5rINNpbr@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk> rjt2@bnr.co.uk () writes:

>>I realise that there are a lot of heated feelings about the wisdom of the
>>group name change, but is it not more frustrating to have to read 2 groups
>>with many common cross-postings?
>>
>>REQUEST 1: Unless there are a significant number of people who cannot access
>>rec.music.makers.synth for one reason or another, can I politely request that
>>people post to rec.music.makers.synth rather than rec.music.synth, or AT THE
>>LEAST that they should not post the same article to both.
>>
>>REQUEST 2: Don't post any flames in response.. unless they are constructive.

Why is it that some sites, like mine, _still_ don't get
rec.music.makers.synth ?
I see new groups popping every week, but no r.m.m.s ... What's the problem ??

Paulo

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From: jmw@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (John Mark Williams)
Subject: Re: REPOST: Ensoniq KS-32 (synth vs. dig.piano)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:37:07 GMT

kropf@i80s19.ira.uka.de (ThomasKropf) writes:

>Owning an ESQ1 synth, I'm currently looking for something "more piano-like"
>(i.e. with good piano samples, at least 76-weighted-key keyboard etc.).

>However, I would like to stay a bit on the synth/sampler side concerning
>sounds and flexibility (e.g. usage as a master keyboard), hence a pure digital
>piano like a Yamaha Clavinova seems not to be the right choice for me.

>At the moment, my prime candidat is the Ensoniq KS-32. However, before I
>seriously start thinking about buying one, I would like to get some comments
>about comparable products from other companies, feedback from
>KS-32 owners (positive and negative) or even general advice concerning
>products in-between classical synths/samplers and digital pianos.

I've had my KS-32 for about three months now, and I'm pretty happy with it
Perfect it's not; the keyboard feels good, the acoustic piano is very good, 
and many of the other sounds are great as well. The electric pianos let the
instrument down badly. It's not a hard instrument to program soundwise, but
I haven't gotten very far with the sequencer. When I retire I'm going to
build ships in bottles - all these years of programming through a 2x16 LCD
interface have got to be good for something!

--
John M Williams, 
School of Health Sciences, University of Tasmania
J.M.Williams@med.utas.edu.au
From: cfoley@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Ciaran Foley)
Subject: Re: Concrete questions on music reading
X-Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Reply-To: "Ciaran M. Foley" <cfoley@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU>
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:50:04 GMT
X-Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <kkretsch.726754014@unix1.tcd.ie> you write:
>In <C0oM19.D3z@cs.vu.nl> mwelie@cs.vu.nl (Welie van M) writes:
>>I was much into solo techniques.After a year a was bored with
>>playing electric and with my teacher.
>>            A friend of mine had switched to classical music
>>and he played really nice things. So I thought that classical
>>guitar would probably be a good place to start learning
>>to read music. I got a new teacher and started playing classical
>
>>So if you really want to learn start playing a lot of sheet
>>music.
>
>O.K., that's fine, well done.
>I'm kinda jealous actually because I tried to teach myself to read
>music and failed and haven't tried again since. I can't say I applied
>myself very well so I only have myself to blame but I do intend to try
>again during the summer when I have a break from college.
>      What I want to know is this; Can the average Joe Soap
>realistically expect to be able to teach him/herself to read music at
>an appreciably good level?

In my estimation, the average Joe may be able to teach himself (and
herself for those P.C. people in the audience) music at a reasonable
pace. The technique (HOW, to PLAY the NOTES on the particular INSTRUMENT--
and INTERPRETATION) is what comes later (or never arrives with some
students)...the simple matching of notes and chord patterns to rhythm,
are learned through repetition.

>i.e. Should I try myself again or would it be quicker, easier and waste
>less time if I go to a teacher?

Depends on how good the teacher is ;-) ...

>      Now I know that classical guitar music is very instructive in the
>technical side of music, e.g. voicing , counterpoint and cool stuff like
>that. But what I would also like to know is do I have to learn classical
>stuff to understand and use these techniques properly, in other words
>do I have to study classical music if I want to become a good musician
>and perhaps teach guitar sometime in the future??

No, but it helps. Classical, in its variety, teaches the widest range (in
my opinion) of different voices etc. So you'll most likely learn the
most in the least amount of time. But you don't necessarily have to
learn classical to be a GOOD musician. This will come from somewhere other
than your brain, you'll soon discover.

Ciaran
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.audio
From: ray@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (klos,raymond l)
Subject: Korg CX3 Wanted
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:35:36 GMT
Keywords: Wanted

Please email or call Ray 201 829-4306 if you have a Korg CX3
for sale.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System (and on piano/keyboard playing in general)
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:59:15 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept


Does anyone know how well the MiraclePiano might work with standard MIDI
programs, especially Band-In-a-Box?



Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rkoch@sander.lockheed.com (Richard R. Koch)
Subject: Ensoniq  SQ-1 4sale
Keywords: keyboard,sq-1,ensoniq
Organization: Avionics Division, Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:58:50 GMT


For Sale:

	Ensoniq SQ-1 personal production studio (keyboard).
	61 velocity sensitive keys, 16 track full function
	sequencer, midi, lottsa fun for $750

Rick (603) 885-0628
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rsilvers@cirrus.nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Best weighted keyboard for under $2,000?
Originator: rsilvers@cirrus
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:28:03 GMT


	What is the best keyboard with weighted keys for under $2,000?
I want a good feel, a very high-quality cabinet, and a good Grand Piano
sound.  I like pipe-organ also.  Sequencers, etc. are not very important.
It the Ensoniq K-32 the one to get?  I saw it for $1799.  Should I wait
for 1993 NAMM?
					Thanks,
						--Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: whc@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (william.h.chriss)
Subject: For Sale: FZ-1
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:27:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I am posting this for my son so please respond to the telephone number at 
the end of the posting.
---
Casio FZ-1 sampling keyboard
16 bit sampler
1 meg memory
61 note keyboard
manual and many sample disks included
good condition (used locally for small gigs)
hard case

Will pay UPS shipping in the US.

$1100 or best offer; will consider trade for Prophet 3000, EPS or AKAI MPC60.

Selling to consolidate equipment while at college.

Steve Chriss
(908) 946-2590 [till 1/17/93]
(409) 847-1938 [after 1/17/93]
From: gbutulis@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Please post to rec.music.makers.synth
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:55:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1ien5rINNpbr@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk>, rjt2@bnr.co.uk () writes:
> I realise that there are a lot of heated feelings about the wisdom of the
> group name change, but is it not more frustrating to have to read 2 groups
> with many common cross-postings?
> 
> REQUEST 1: Unless there are a significant number of people who cannot access
> rec.music.makers.synth for one reason or another, can I politely request that
> people post to rec.music.makers.synth rather than rec.music.synth, or AT THE
> LEAST that they should not post the same article to both.
> 
> REQUEST 2: Don't post any flames in response.. unless they are constructive.

 I may be in a minority (in which case, please ignore this and continue with
progress), but I have no access to r.m.m.s at the current time.

-Garrett
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,rec.music.makers.synth,alt.emusic
From: doogie@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jeff House)
Subject: Personal Composer Sys/2 File Format Spec?
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:24:18 GMT


Could anyone tell me where I can get this file format specification?


I am considering writing a convertor from .MID to this format :)


Thanks!


Doogie
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: geert@ahold.nl (Geert Jonkheer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wanted: Opinion about general purpose midi masterkeyboards.
Keywords: Masterkeyboards with at least 88 keys and weighted keys.
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:16:51 GMT
Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC

As an all round piano player I prefer the touch of
the acoustic piano keys above synth keys. So I am looking
for a good midi master keyboard which has the same feel
(and length) of a piano. Also it must have some features
to control patch changes, controller changes and if possible
send some self defined system exclusive messages to one
of my sound modules. Hopely a master keyboard can play accross
multiple midi channels, so that mixing of tones can also
easily be done (or you must specify the same midi channels to
different notes, but that doesn't make things easier during 
live performances). 
 
Anyone out there who has one and can tell me about
the features, price and experiences?

Thanks in advance.

Geert (geert@ccsds.ahold.nl)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.music
From: awoolf@rp.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Woolf)
Subject: Music-Quest in Australia
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:40:55 GMT

 Does anyone know a cheap source for the Music-Quest (MPU-401 compatible) PC
 midi card in Australia, or would it be best to go for an o/s mail-order house ?

-- 
  Andrew Woolf                        | PO Box 76, Epping, NSW 2121, AUSTRALIA
  Signal & Imaging Technology Program | Email : awoolf@rp.csiro.au 
  CSIRO Division of Radiophysics      | Phone : +61 2 868 0497
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Problems with EZ Vision on PowerBook 100
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:44:18 GMT

I am having problems getting the current version of EZ Vision 
(1.0.2) to work on my PowerBook 100. It works fine on my Mac Plus.

I have installed the current Apple Midi Manager; still no luck.

All help and suggestions appreciated.

Regards,

Tom Karches
karches@utdallas.edu
-- 
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karches@utdallas.edu | I would have become a musician instead of a politician."
karches@holonet.net  '-------------------------------------- Richard Nixon
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From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Roland JD800 ROM cards anyone?
Keywords: super duper jumper
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:38:37 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.


 I'm aware that there are several JD800 ROM cards about at the moment. I believe
there are two types of card - wave cards, with new PCM samples on them, and voicecards, with new voices on them. Is this correct?  
 I didn't buy my shiny, new JD800 - sliders and twiddlers galore - just to play 
presets on it, so I would like to know about the quality of any wave cards, with new PCM samples on them, so I can twiddle 'n slide to make new voices!! 
 What are third-party cards like?
 Thanks for any info. 
 
Simon T.
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon NUNIS)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:57:38 GMT
Subject: SR16 and MIDI
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

hi everyone.

i recently bought an Alesis SR-16 and am very happy with it except for the
fact that i can't get it to respond to MIDI properly.  i have the following
setup:

channel 11
drum in v1
drum out off
clock in off
clock out off
pgm chg off
midi thru on
drum map 00-09

here are the connection stats:

      roland u20    (out)------->(in) pc
                    (in) <-------(out)

                    (thru)------>(in) sr16  (thru)------->(in) midiverb3

well, basically, i use the u20 to control the sr16...wanna be able to use
the sr16 as a drum expander.  what happens is that for every 10 notes i
send to the sr16, only 4 or 5 will sound correctly.  the others just 
either remain quiet or sound the wrong note...any ideas?

please post or email.

thanks.

simon.
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From: system@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: 3 DPX-1's w/HUGE library - $1000
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 14:27:48 PST
Reply-To: system@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Just as it says...

3 Oberheim DPX-1's. Each can read Akai s-900 disks, Prophet 2000/2002, Mirage,
Emulator 5.25".... sample playback. No Sampling yet will accept SDS.

Firm at $1000 - Many Many disks come with these.... more info? Write me.

__________________________________________________________________________
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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ system@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Another General Midi ques
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 29 94 41
Reply-To: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov)

RE: Message 10089 entered on Jan 5,93 by JOHN MARK WILLIAMS to ALL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

JM> Can anyone who has access to a GM module tell me if the pitch produced for
  > any given note number is the same for all programs, or are, for example,
  > all the bass programs transposed down an octave and all the flutes up an
  > octave, such as on my D110.

When I converted files from my D20 (which has the same sound module as
D110) to other synth, I found all bass lines to sound one octave higher
that they should. I didn't have that effect with JV30 (which is General
MIDI and GS module). I believe the transpostion you noticed occurs only
in D5/10/20 series.

Best regards

Vagif.
Entered Jan 5,93 at 20:27:11 on Thunderball Cave BBS from Oslo, Norway.
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