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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:43:48 GMT
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Aug28.153659.25832@Princeton.EDU> by egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges):

> I'm ignorant of racist trivia (do you also have the full set of Amos 'n
> Andy videos to add to your yuks?)  You, however, need education in the
> history of your country and its sad record of abusing immigrants.

No you aren't massah Ed.  You're a veritable storehouse of racist trivia.  By
the way, have you figured out which [minor] race I belong to yet, Reichs-
Fuehrer Ed?

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From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Can someone be fired after they've resigned?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:48:08 EST
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: Logicon Technical Services, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.161338.8748@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:
> Just curious:
> 
> Joe Blow walks into his Personnel office and hands in his resignation.  He
> gives a week's notice.
> 
> 2 days later his boss calls Joe into his office and says, "You're fired!".
> 
> Can this happen?  Or is the resignation considered legal and binding (or
> whatever terms you wish) and therefore no action can be taken during the
> notice period?
> 

	I would say yes.  I've read of situations where the personel dept. was
instructed to send a security person back to the office of those handing in
resignations--because they were immediately fired.

	The resignation letter is a notice of intent.  Specifically of your
intent to terminate the open-ended work agreement you signed upon being hired.

	The employer can always decide that they don't really need that advance
notice :).

Brett--------------------------------------------------------------------------
	"Why the courts don't tell a husband who has been living off his wife
to go out and get a job is beyond my comprehension."--Joan Lunden
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Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship
Newsgroups: misc.legal

In misc.legal, slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:

> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:

> >I retained a paralegal to check this out. She found that because a doctor
> >transferred the donor's sperm, the donor isn't liable for child support.

> Bingo!  So what about those frozen embryos?  Since a laboratory transfers
> the embryos, the man can't be liable for child support (there still isn't
> a child, remember).  

Good point. :-)
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From: wales@cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,misc.consumers
Subject: Endorsing checks for deposit via ink stamp?
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:34:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles

Is it permissible for an individual to endorse checks for deposit via
an ink stamp with his name, bank name and account number, and the words
"FOR DEPOSIT ONLY"?

Businesses seem to do this all the time; but what about individuals?

If individuals are in fact permitted to do this, why is it that banks
always tell customers to =sign= checks when depositing them?

--
Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Keywords: Envy; Resentment
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:29:19 GMT

In article <19120@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>
>....
>President Lyndon Baines Johnson was the son of Sam Ealy Johnson,
>the man who ran the Klan out of East Texas.  LBJ's administration
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>....

Excuse me, but your sytax in unclear.  Did he direct the Klan within East Texas,
or did he banish the Klan from East Texas?

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: Rape and Paternity
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:11:00 GMT

In article <BtIuAn.G28@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>
>
>>Many people seem to think abortion is acceptable in cases of rape.
>>But what happens when a child is brought to term?
>
>>Does the rapist have any custody rights?  Is he liable for child support?
>
>Near as I know, the man is responsible for child support. Note, however,
>that if it was the MAN who was raped (this does happen) and the 
>woman rapist becomes pregnant and carries to term, the man is *STILL*
>responsible for child support.  
>

However, isn't the woman also reponsible for child support, (If the man
receives custody, for example) ?
From: perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Nilges
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:38:40 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

Also remember, folks, that the typical employer/employee relationship
allows the employee to leave at will, for whatever reason. Not allowing
the employer the same freedom strikes me as inequitable. Declaring that
the employee has a right to her job while the employer has no
corresponding right to a worker is an expropriation from the employer.


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That which is necessary is never evil. If an evil seems necessary, look
to your context; that's where its root lies.  - Charles Perez
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
Subject: Re: Custody case question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:12:43 GMT

My professor of Family Law (Ms. Kristian Miccio, a much-honored
activist and very hard-core feminist) claims that the father has
an advantage in custody disputes because he usually has the better
income and, unlike the mother, is not socially assigned the duty of
staying at home with the kids.  That is, a good mother will stay home
with her children, according to our quaint notions of her role, but
a good mother would also be able to provide for the financial needs
of those children; a Catch-22.  A good father, on the other hand, is
not expected to stay home; he just hires a nanny.  A counter to this
is the possibility that the court can order support payments from the
father, but these are not reliable, hard to enforce, and never equate
to the quality of life that direct support (i.e., living in his
bigger house, in his better neighborhood, etc) would provide.
--
Stevens R. Miller, J.D.
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.motorcycles
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols)
Subject: Re: ++ADVICE ON POTENTIAL LAWSUIT(on a motorcycle)++
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:38:39 GMT

kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>>There is a local lawyer who gives tips on one of 
>>the news stations and according to him, that if a seller of a car cites 
>>in the advertisement "Like new" or "no damage" etc. the car better be 
>>like new or with no damage or the buyer can sue for 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 the 
>>amount of the car (or any purchase for that matter).

>"Like new" is a relative term. My concept of "like new" may differ from
>yours. 

Exactly the point the lawyer was making.  That's why it would be wise to 
just point out the the prospective buyer what is wrong (or right) with 
the car.  If I were to go look at a car that was advertised as "like new"
I would expect no damage whatsoever, no scratches, no dings, fresh tires, 
fresh motor, etc.  Other people might consider it differently, and 
therein lies the crucial aspect of advertising ;-)


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*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  DoD#0402         AMA#568571  |   Ride:  GS500E    		   *
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Custody case question
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:35:32 GMT

In article <BtpC92.3IJ@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.142821.21102@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>2) There's a huge double standard in terms of "appropriate" moral standards
>>   for the parent.  In Illinois, any mother "living in sin" has lost custody
>>   when it was challenged, while fathers engaging in cohabitation have
>>   successfully won custody.  
>
>As for (2), do you have any modern statistics to support this?
>(That's not a challenge, just a question!)  It may have been true 
>in the past but I'm not so sure it holds now.

Well, Illinois decided Jarrett v Jarrett in 1979 or so.  When I last
researched this topic in December, I don't recall finding a single 
case where the mother kept custody if she had a boyfriend sleep over.
There were several where, somehow, the judges found an exception from
Jarrett if the male had a female lover.  
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             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: HP managers read my e-mail
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:52:38 GMT

In article <9208271700.AA18554@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu writes:
>     They also released confidential employee information about me to
>   other workers.  I can document both charges.
>
>    What should I do?
>
>    And
>
>    What CAN I do?


Well, to start with, what sort of confidential information?  To
which other workers did they release the information?

For example, your social security number is probably required by
other workers in the company's payroll area, pension area, health
insurance area, and other areas of the company.

Your salary history is confidential information that your manager
and your manager's manager may be required to know and work with.

Your medical history may be required by your company's healthcare
plan; if you cannmot perform certain types of work because of
medical reasons, your immediate management would need to receive
this confidential information.

Your marital status and probably dependent status is needed by your
healthcare insurance, and pension administrator and even payroll
department.

Your educational experience, academic record and related
informatiuon is probably required by your employemnt department and
your immediate management.

Your home address is required by your payroll department and, in all
liklihood, your management may have legitimate reason for this as
well.

All of this information is, indeed, confidential employee
information, but I'd bet your company can legally justify the need
to share it with other company employees.

So what sort of confidential information is being shared, and with
whom?


As to your email:   Is this on a company machine and not on your own
personal computer at home?  If it is on a company machine, they own
the machine and all the imformation on it.  They can probably show a
legitimate need to be sure all the information on the machine and
all the use of the machine is for legitimate business purposes.

My advice is to simply talk with your manager, and try to
straighten this out.   If the company has a well-known long standing
position, and everyone knows it, the you should know it.  If your
manager is out of sync with the rest of the managers, try to get
transfered.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170120.28442@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
>>> I suggest that discussants in this thread follow the lead of Israel and
>>> inject some sense in the discussion.  The defense of Kuwait and the
>>> abandonment of Bosnia-Herzegovina means that international politics is
>>> under the control of a dollar elite, not the Elders of Zion.
>>> Sherheryar, do you mean to say that Jews set our media's agenda, or an
>>> amoral elite comprised of scum of all persuasions?
>>> 
>>Absolutely the latter!   I was not even going to reply to
>>such a stupidly drawn conclusion.  Thanks for clearing my name.
>	So I ask you, are these guys the Gallagher and Shean of the Politically
>Correct, or what?  Who says vaudeville is dead?  It LIVES!
>"Absolutely, Mr. Gallagher?"
>"Positively Mr. Shean!"

Your racism is showing, for you have revived the 19th century vaudeville
portrayal of Irish names as intrinsically laff-producing in a disgusting
attempt to marginalize Sherheryar, who you, as a racist, found amusing
and marginal because of an Arabic sounding name.  His dignity (for I
assume that it is he who replied in the >> zone above, given your clumsy
elision of needed information) puts you to shame.  



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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Marx Brothers
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:07:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug29.221236.10609@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.174516.24763@Princeton.EDU>
>egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug29.083509.23522@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug28.233006.15783@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Ted!  Who was Julius Marx?  Oh well, White Men Can't Proofread, huh?
[....]
>Funny how they were more important when you though Ted was wrong than
>when he proved you were wrong.

I didn't see anyone prove anything at all.

>
>> including Frank's love of racist
>>vaudeville routines.
>
>Racist?  Oh, sorry, I forgot.  Whether they were Irish, Italian,
>German, or Jewish is irrelevant; they're white, therefore (according
>to Nilgeanism) they're racist.
>
>>  Again, you and he only reinforce my point re the
>>fact that forty years of TV has resulted in a widespread inability to
>>make distinctions, whether between Viktora and Martin Luther King, or
>>Amos 'n Andy and Spike Lee.
>
>It hasn't prevented people from being able to distinguish between
>correct argument and Ed Nilges's drivel, so I guess that difference is
>even greater.

I interpreted the first articles about names of vaudeville performers
to be sarcastic and rather funny.  You guys aren't getting serious,
are you?  Or have I finally been sucked in?  But isn't it rather
obvious that Spike Lee is one person and Amos 'n Andy are two?

And while we're at it, I'll blame TV, too.

G("It wasn't me -- society is to blame")MS
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.dads-rights,soc.men
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: NO SUBJECT           (1)
X-To: ROSS RIDGE
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:32:00 GMT

gearson@jove.Colorado.EDU (James R. Gearson) writes...
JRG> I am involved in a paternity case in the Chicago area.  I would like
JRG> to know as soon as possible whether this child is mine.   (If it is,
JRG> my wife and I intend to pursue custody.)  I have heard of various blood
JRG> tests and DNA tests.  Can the DNA tests be performed earlier than at six
JRG> months, as is the case for the blood tests?  Are these tests of the
JRG> same reliability?  What literature is there on these tests?

James, from what I know, a simple blood test will only detect inconsistencies
in blood types between father, mother, and child (I *think* that the mother's
blood *is* needed ... Can SOMEONE please confirm whether this is correct or
not - Very Important), and therefore can only tell you whether you are *not*
the father.

If the blood types are compatible, you might *still* not be the father.

So.....I would recommend a DNA screening.  And for these, I *also* think that
you need the mother.  (Again, can someone please confirm or deny this for
me....thanks).  At any rate, such tests can determine parenthood with a failure
rate of 1 in BILLIONS, and is even quite accurate if parenthood is being
questioned by *twins*.

BTW, the issue of whether the mother's blood is required is an important one,
because *if* the mother's blood *is* required, a man who fears that he has
been cuckolded, would HAVE to inform his wife that he had concerns about the
child.  I need not tell you how tricky this sort of thing would be...

This is just one of many problems that I run into, in discussions with people
who walk into In Search Of Justice (Canada's largest men's rights group) with
marital problems, so this information would be appreciated.

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Newsgroups: uiuc.civil-liberty,misc.legal
From: gsbg9079@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (G. Scott Braley)
Subject: Re: [misc.legal] Maryland Law Brief
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:44:27 GMT

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>and two more will take its place.  Let the law enforcement authorities
>ask arrested dealers not just who their suppliers are, but who their
>customers are.  Then let undercover officers pose as pushers, and 

of course, this opens the door wide for accusations of police brutality when
drug users get arrested on the basis of evidence provided by convicted dealers-
"Oh, those nasty policemen _forced_ me to give names!  I was _tortured_!"  yeah
right.

>The user, on the other hand, is looking to buy drugs solely for the
>sheer pleasure of using them.

While this may be true for non-addicts, there are people out there who are 
addicted, and do not buy drugs just for fun.  

Scott Braley
 
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Newsgroups: misc.legal,misc.consumers
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Endorsing checks for deposit via ink stamp?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:32:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.003400.13033@cs.ucla.edu> wales@cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales) writes:
>Is it permissible for an individual to endorse checks for deposit via
>an ink stamp with his name, bank name and account number, and the words
>"FOR DEPOSIT ONLY"?

>Businesses seem to do this all the time; but what about individuals?

>If individuals are in fact permitted to do this, why is it that banks
>always tell customers to =sign= checks when depositing them?

I suspect that as long as the bank that the check was issued on accepts it,
then there is no problem.  If the second bank accepts it, then the issuing
bank probably will also.

A while back my check to the electric company was not endorsed.  Their bank
had stamped it "Lack of endorsement guaranteed".  I assumed that since their
bank gave them credit for it, they saved the electric company the time and
expense of endorsing it.  My bank then accepted their banks endorsement.

Charlie

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Tort Reform (was: Number of Lawyers)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:49:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.002724.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.154230.22809@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>> if you think that the tort system should be reformed, what
>> do you think the new, reformed system should look like?
>

>2. Hard decisions by our policy makers (the legislatures of the fifty
>states as well as Congress) have to be made as to how much a human
>life costs, or an arm, or a leg, etc.  Jurors are being asked to make
>these decisions on a case by case basis when they decide damages.  The
>instructions the Judge gives a jury is not enough to guide them
>through this difficult process.  The result is wildly inconsistent
>jury awards from trial to trial, in the same jurisdiction.  

Is this necessarily a bad thing?  Is the 31-year-old computer programmer
paralyzed for life with a husband and two kids to support the same as
a 72-year-old indigent paralyzed for life?

I suppose a lot depends on whether you think damages should be
(1) punitive, (2) compensatory, or (3) a windfall.  With the exception
of exceptionally egregious torts, I think they should be compensatory,
and it's going to vary greatly from person to person with the same injury
as to what will make them whole.

>3) [contingency fees]

You're talking about making the system more "fair" and "consistent",
and then you want to remove the part of the system that allows those
without money to have access to the legal system without government
assistance.  Perhaps you should define the goal a bit more clearly.
-- 
           .........................................................
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Number of Lawyers
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:01:40 GMT

In article <64724@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>Shouldn't that be "torte reform?"

Let them eat cake, say I.


--Mike



-- 
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EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
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