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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Another answers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:45:50 GMT

In article <85926@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>        when can we have such society?
>
>        Give me more specific conditions for that. 
>        

again obvious answer!
change the out-of-date law!
AND president himself obey all laws and keep his promises.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:26:40 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:	

>>>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>>>                                complex national issues.)
>>>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>>>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>>>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>>>
>        I have a question for you. Why do you take only what they said at
>         Kwanhun Club?     
>        Why did you ignore the fact that YS trashed so-called "3-parties
>        merging-secret-agreement" (Kak-Seo) of which core was parliamentary
>        system, and rejected ChongChan Lee and TJ Park's request of that when 
>        he desparately needed them?
>
O.K. I take it as their thought because they said.
One thing, YS has never refused parliamentary system, he refused to say
'I'll change the presidential system to parliamentary system' as a campaign
word, which TJ insisted. So I don't think your arguement has 
a very solid basis.


>        Why does he want to change it?

Let's see. I'll bet he will.

>        On the other hand, unfortunately it was obvious again that DJ could
>        not build his political base outside his province. I am from Choong-
>        Buk where I could not find a bit of DJ support.

Come on, what are you talking about? DJ is more popular in Seoul than YS.
I think he got above 20% from all regions except Kyongsangdo (Kangwon?).

>        Isn't it ridiculous that a man wants to be a national leader without
>        political mechanism outside his province?  If he encounter tough
>       opposition, what will be his choice?

You are argueing based on YOUR impression not on the FACT.
       
>        In short, I still believe that YS is more unlikely to do that than DJ.
>        That's it.  In addition, I'd like to add this:
>        I do not like a dogmatic analysis.
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Isn't it something an analysis not based on the FACT?

Have a nice holiday!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: re: Parliamentary System
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:55:58 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes
>          Especially I am very interested in the way you are exchanging
>          different opinion. Especailly  your last sentence reminds that very
>          clearly.  (I am very proud of my junior high school though.)       
>          I know if you keep this way, I have to give up responding to your
>          thread.  

I sincerely apologize this. I lost my temper for a while. 
I withdraw my last sentence if it is possible.
I'm really sorry about loosing my temper and saying something 
inappropriate thing.
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 13:46:44 GMT

In article <85844@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:

>     Korea, I believe, is that no body respects laws nowadays. 
>     Then how can we recover the "authority" of legal system? 

good question, obvious answer.
change the out-of-date laws !
"authority" has to be achieved by people's voluntary respects
not by force.

>
>      


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55)
Subject: One more Q on postscript?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:24:58 GMT

is there ftp domain software to change ascii text file to postscript?
Where and its sub directory?

Thanks again in advence..  Ok-Hyeon Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:26:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.210414.13518@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.192228.7191@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>
>>>   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
>>>   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
>>>   idea 
>>
>>This is not true. Here are their officail responses in 'Kwanhun Club'.
>>	
>>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>>                                complex national issues.)
>>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>>
>>Happy holiday!
>
>
>Yup! Your analysis is so exact.  I agree.

Analysis???? No! This was what they said in 'Kwanhun Club'.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Election Result Available Online
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:36:01 GMT


We're happy to announce that the '92 presidential election result is 
available online. The result will be updated hourly basis after the
poll has been closed.

Election result will be available from the following methods.

	1)	finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr

	2)	telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92

The result will be gathered from HiTEL election board, and MBC TV and
the language used is Korean. You'll be able to get romanized Hangul
message from the finger query and KSC-5601 Hangul message from the
telnet query. Thanks for your interest.

Uhhyung Choi			Youngjoon Back
CS Dept., KAIST			CS Dept., KAIST
uhhyung@kaist.ac.kr		yokkom@kaist.ac.kr

P.S.

Disclaimer: The result is provided as is without any *warranty*.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jin123s@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: *****THE ADVENT OF MAVERICK*****
Date: 22 DEC 92 11:42:09 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada


        Greetings and salutations : Merry Christmas too.

        Ahn yong ha shim ni kka.
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:07:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1263@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>
>In Taiwan, koreans have a reputation of beating their wives.
>
>This image is so strong that a taiwanese female friend
>of mine once had to argue with her parents that her
>korean fiance ( not me :) is not like that at all.
>Her parents were worried that once married, he will
>make her life miserable.
>
>flames encouraged
>
>- jon



I've heard from my taiwanese male friends too.   I would say simply

differences between two countries cultural background.  Before I say

something about that issue,  I'd like to mention I don't have any

surveys or sources comparison concerning wife beating in two countries.

Anybody has comparison data ?



           Minho Jo, Lehigh University
           Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
           Industrial Engineering Department


           My career goal is to achieve "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Re: Answers to Mr. Byngtae Lee's questions
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:38:50 GMT

>Have you thought of a situation that a student can be arrested and put into
>jail only because he possessed Karl Marx's 'Das Kapital'? I'm not a
>communist or something, but it's rather a question of basic freedom.

Several years age(?) he/she could be arrested and put into jail only because
she possesed alchol in US. Isn't it funny ? 

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Parliamentary System
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:07:17 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1993Jan1.210419.37180@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>>
>>anyone knows what is going on the guys involved in Pusan Plot?
>>are they going to be put in jail ?
>
>Kim Gi-Choon who was leading the Meeting,  was released without
>being prisoned, just (Bul-Goo-Sok Eap-Gun).
>
>Some of them did not get any punishement.  Others got deprived of
>their positions.
>
>Moreover,  the funny thing is  that all of raw proscutors went out the
>building and bow to Kim Gi-Choon  gently right after investigating him.
>

i see. i would like to hear Mr.B.T.Lee's opinion about it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 13:30:50 GMT

In article <85844@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>i just hope you think little more carefully 
>what our country needs economically and politically
>when china and other south asian countries grow at tremendous speed
>while our country is so miserably divided and hurt each other.
>
>     Sorry I still do not know what I did not think more carefully.
>
>     Ok. Let's move on another serious business. Myself has kept asking to me 
>     what really can make our country move forward. I have read some threads
>     analyzing Korean economy.  I want to be a devil advocate in this net
>     because I could not find any thing beyond common sense and any strategies
>     to cure our weakness. In addition, I'd like to know the reasons why 
>     we do have such system.  Every body is saying we are losing ground
>     comparing to Taiwan.  If kereitsu is so beneficial, why haven't Korean
>     chaebol developed those? Isn't against economic theory?  

well, would you read a few postings from yeowook about korean economy?
seems that his posting already answered your questions.

>
>     Since you accused me for not thinking more carefully what our country
>     needs economically and politically, I am asking you to reveal what
>     you have thought more carefully. I revealed my unorganized thoughts about
>     political systems and I will do about economic  problems after you.
>

i think many guys including me did before. 
and anyone who supported MINJJA  has never shared his informations
about what kind of economic policies YS government will have.
did you guys know it and voted for it?
or you guys didn't know about it. (actually you guys don't care?)

>     Thank you very much. 
>     
no problem.
From: u1714614@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 92 09:07:14 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

To Every one in the world.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Looking for Korean Playboy
Date: 3 Jan 1993 04:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan2.073952.10685@math.ucla.edu> ychoi@oak.math.ucla.edu (Yonghee Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.031155.935@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>>In article <85976@ut-emx.uucp> piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kyung Hee) writes:
>>>    This no joke.  I'm looking for magazines like Playboy and Penthouse
>>
>>	Yes, there is one called Nol-Za-Nom, of which Dec. issue
>>	Shim HyeJin is the Centerfold.
>>
>>	What a Joke!
>>-- 
>>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>
>Actually, I would like to get a magazine like this if there is any.

As far as I know, there are no such Korean versions.
But I saw a Chinese version in a book store in a Chinese Mall in Houston.
I was not sure what it was, since I just looked at it outside the bookstore
when we walked to the Chinese restaurant in there for semester-end party.
So I later asked my Twianese office-mate whether there is a Chinese version
of Playboy.  And the answer was YES.
Maybe they are more open-minded than us (?).

This is somewhat different issue, but I prefer that there are playboy-like
magazines in Korea * with controlled distribution *  rather than suppressing
it and thus having bad side effects.
Just look at the semi-Xrated weekly magazines like Sunday Seoul, Weekly Kyung-
Hyang, ...etc, which are read by many teen-agers.
What about almost-Xrated movie posters which can be seen everywhere
(even in front of and around the elementary schools) ?
How about the comic book rent stores which show kids X-rated videos ?


>BTW, Who on Earth is Shim HyeJin?

I have no idea.


-- 
____   ____  ____ ____________________________________ (___) _________________
|  |   |  |  |  |  W. Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu)       (o o)      Moo.... 
|  |   |  |__|  |  PhD Student. Research Asst.  o=======\ /  I'm  a Cow Lover.
|  |   |        |  Dept. of Computer Science   / |     ||O   My wife  was born
\  |---|  |--|  |  University of Houston      `  ||'---||    in Cow year. Mooo
 \____/|__|  |__| _______________________________^^    ^^_____________________


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From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: KOREAN ECONOMY
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.085442.8652@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>I hope the tax incentive and other government concentrations are geared
>towards a more diversified group of companies (small on up to large),
>not just the chaebols.
>I'm afraid I don't know what the next government will do.

I guess that guys who supported YS, they MUST know what tax policy
or economic policy next goverment will do.
could you guys share your information with all netters?

>
>Cooperation between large Korean companies and Chinese companies will benefit
>both IF Korean small companies also benefit. Large Korean companies are just 
>as dependent on small companies as the other way around. It is generally 
>thought that the small companies possess only medium technological prowess.
>However, they indirectly influence the performance of the more "advanced"
>larger companies. If the Korean government overlooks the suffering of Korea's
>small business sector, they will pay for it with tremendous losses and debt
>(and lost investment) in the large sector. So as long as every sector of the
>Korean economy remains healthy, cooperation with China is all for the better
>because they are growing at tremendous speed and they are a huge market, 
>much larger than the United States.
>
>>and in what way they should invest in china to make korean economy better
>>without costing many job in korea?
>
>This is the though question =). But I think that the stories you see on the
>news about Hyundai, GoldStar, or Sunkyong signing a huge contract with a
>Chinese firm is not that important if the small businesses are left in the
>dark without any Chinese connections. At this time in the relationship between
>Korea and China, both small sectors should cooperate. Again, people think of
>the small business sector as the "manual labor", "low technology" sector 
>because its work force is more influenced by outside forces than the large
>sector. But its importance is just as important and investment in small
>business technology and manual labor should always be high because in an
>international economy, the only stable domestic thing is labor and home
>grown technology. Therefore, the distribution line should, for the meantime,
>not be extended to China. But Korea's own distribution line (small sector)
>should seek connections of their own. 
>

as for home grown tech, I heard China recently succeeded to make
supercomputer in their own.
whereas i see many computers in KAIST are SUN computers from US.
hey, KAIST folks, could you make supercomputer for yourselves?

and it is well-know among scientists that when china wanted to build
accelerator for basic science in 70's, US suggested american scientists
go there and build the biggest accelerator in the world at that time.
but china refused it and built smaller but all-home-made one.
now they have many many scientific facilities which korea have NONE.
i heard POHANG accelerator will be build with chinese help.
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:29:20 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:      
>          However, do you know how many new branches of DP were created just 
>          before national assembly election (JI-KOO-DANG-CHANG-DANG)? How many
>          setors did they give up to send a candidacy?  I meant the political
>          mechanism outside his province beyond his personal popularity.
>          Only every election time, they was in hurry to pick up candidates.

I think Minja does the same thing in terms of Jikudang Changdang. I don't
understand why you think it is specific for Minju party. Of course, there are
more Minja congressmen, so they have to pick up less new cadidates. 
Is it what you are trying to say?
I thought almost all sectors had Minju party candidates in last election. Gee,
I forgot the number (Another sign of aging :(  )
You seem to know how many sectors Minju party didn't have candidates.
Why don't you post that number? (plz include Minja's too)

>          In additioin, even in Seoul, the margin was minimal.  How much
>          do you think he got outside Ex-Cholla people and liberal young
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>          college or college-graduate voters?  Even in national assembl
>          election, there was clear trend that DP got more votes from the 
>          election-sectors with high density of Ex-Cholla people.

Now you are insulting Democratic party supporters (including me)
who are not ex-cholla. So you think 34% (36?) of Korean are Honam or ex-Honam??
Wonder which junior high school you went.
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: To Jung
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:06:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu writes:

>You must be the first-time netter of this 'soc.culture.korean'.  Have you

	No, I don't have a time to waste reading your STUPID article
	on politics.
 

>Anyway, I'm so unhappy about that kind of a personal attack.  It is a shame

	My advise to you: Get over it!@!

>of 'soc.culture.korean' newsgroup.  If you give me such nice words, I'll 
>return.

	I have more nicer words to give you.
	I just can't wait for your next post.


>" At a view of piggy, everyone looks like piggy.
>  At a view of flatterer, everyone looks like flatterer."

	From your telling me a pig, perhaps you are also a pig.
	I am so happy that I hear from one of my collegue pigs. Perhaps we can
	get together and share our common thoughts on how to improve quality
	of pigs' standard living(NOT!). I didn't get your piggy name,
	perhaps you can share your beutiful piggy name with us. Also there
	will be food fight on Christmas Eve in New Jersey. It'll be my honor 
	to have you. 
	
	

Jung the pig.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: More on Kidnapped Japanese.. (Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!)
Date: 2 Jan 93 09:33:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan2.041744.563@mtu.edu> barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera) writes:
>As was stated above, it was never ever said that the women was in any way
>a spy. And really it is not corny, since North korea would really have no
>other way of teaching modern japanese to its spies. Foreign governemnt
>do these things all the time and worse. ... 

Actually this part was the the strangest for me. In the
70's there were many Red Army terrorists who had received training
in North Korea and there is in Japan a very large and well organized
group of North Korean supporters known as the Cho-Chong-Yon
or Chosen People's Union which runs its own Korean schools.
I always wondered why the North Koreans would not recruit Language
instructors among those people rather than go through the trouble of
kidnapping somebody. 
-Hanhwe Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:36:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Rikiya Asano) writes:
>I am cofused by the above statement. Question: Do the people(students
>included) want one Korea? If so, why are leaders elected who are not
>interested? 

First of all, the interest groups and political activists have not
yet mastered the skills necessary to bring their agendas into the
political scene enough to make a difference. Thus the people vote
on things like where the candidate is from and the character of a 
candidate rather than issues. I hope the next election is different.

>        A few weeks ago N. Korea and Nippon had some type of meeting as
>to their mutual relationship. Now get this, the ldp said something or 
 other as to the disappearence of a kidnapped Japanese woman. The N. 
 Koreans walked out! I would have walked out too. After all the killing, raping,
>torturing and other animalistic barbarian acts that the Japanese
>imperialistic military has done we ask a question about some fictious 
>woman. What is this woman's name? Where is her family? Who else knows
>about this? Where is the proof? 

The woman you are refering to is probably a Japanese citizen who 
disappeared in the early 80's. She was reported to be in North
Korea by Kim Hyun-hui, a North Korean agent who was captured for
bombing a Korean Air 747 and killing the crew and all 100+ passengers, 
mostly construction workers returning from jobs in the mid-east. Kim 
Hyun-hui confessed to being a North Korean agent and for the bombing.
In her testimony, she mentioned there was a Japanese woman who used the 
Korean name 'Eun-hye' who was a Japanese Language instructor at one
of the secret agent schools in North Korea. Kim said that Eun-hye had
been kidnapped from Japan but was co-opted to serve the North Koreans.
Japanese officials have been trying to verify this ever since the
story came out. The North Koreans deny any involvement in the bombing
or any knowledge of Kim Hyun-hui. Under such circumstances, the North
Koreans have not been cooperative with the Japanese investigation. 

I fail to see why you should be angry at the Japanese government for
being concerned about the fate of a Japanese citizen, even with the
fact that the Imperial Japanese military commited countless war crimes
against the Korean people. If the woman was indeed kidnapped against her
will she is a victim and her government should be very concerned about
her welfare.  

As a Korean citizen, I have been very angry with the way the Korean 
government had shown carelessness towards Korean soldiers and
foreign service officials who were missing in Vietnam. Since the fall of
Saigon in 1975 there have been cases of Korean foreign service officials
who had escaped from Vietnam with boatpeople and refugees. During that
time the Korean government had been sanctioning unofficial trade between
Korea and Vietnam. I am unaware of any action taken by the Korean
government in finding and securing the release of its own people.

-Hanhwe Kim