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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Adding to Pet Peeves
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:03:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
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Just wanted to jump in here and clarify that I was not trying to flame Anne
D. for the Pet Peeves post she made by the remarks that I made.  I am
grateful to Anne and Betsy for adding to the thread with their remarks and
helping me to see that I was not clear enough with my post.

I simply jumped on the soapbox and got carried away with the garbage that
gets tossed around about dogs being bad when blame should be assigned to
owners.



On a side note, I recently had to shop for new homeowners insurance and my
pet peeve is that I was questioned to find out if I owned an aggressive
breed of dog.  The breeds specifically mentioned were German Shepherd Dog,
Doberman Pinscher, Rottweiler, Chow Chow, and I believe they mentioned
Akita and Boxer.  This really steamed me because it is an uninformed and
reactive element of our society that is so eager to condemn before they
understand.

From my own experience, I know several Dobies through the classes I have
taught and the dogs owned by friends.  None could be described as
aggressive.  One bitch even "allowed" a three year old to "groom the
doggie" and had the child accidentally cut her ear off with nothing more
than a scream from the dog who was found hiding behind the door from her
"young groomer." (Rest assured, the ear was reattached and the scissors are
now kept much higher off the ground.)  The males have been really fine dogs
and the bitches have been sweet, delightful girls.  Many of them are rescue
dogs who still having shining temperament despite it all.  I have had good
experiences with GSD and the Rotties that I know have been big, black lap
puppies.  I have only known a few Chows and they reflected their owners too
well.

It makes me quite upset that I may be dictated to by an insurance company
about my choice of dog.  A tale that was bandied around my training club
for a while said that New York City had the greatest number of problems
with bites from Golden Retrievers than any other breed of dog.  I can't
support or deny the story but it would seem to be logical based on the
number of Goldens to be found anywhere these days.  And it is nothing
against Goldens.  It just seems that the likelihood of a bite from a breed
would seem to be as dependent if not more dependent on the population of
the breed rather than on the breed itself.

Hope I make sense and I am still 100% behind everything that Anne and Betsy
said, I was trying to add to the discussion and not contradict anything
that was said.  I apologize if I was unclear in my reply to Anne and thanks
again to Anne and Betsy for pointing it out to me as graciously as they
did.

Happy 1993 Everyone!

Gail Brookhart
From: gorski@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Tom Gorski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog myths (was Tea-totalling dog!)
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:39:22 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin

In article <1992Dec28.001045.6997@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>> It is a myth that dogs have less germs than humans.  (I learned that while
>> working for a vet). 
>
>I'm not so sure this is a myth.  The vet I worked for believed that dogs'
>mouths were fairly sanitary.  It's true that their licking of problem spots
>can cause more harm than good, but generally not because of increased
>infection.  My other personal experience on this subject comes from working
>in an (human) emergency room.  A human bite was considered massively more
>dangerous than a dog bite.  Procedures for cleaning, antibiotics, and 
>follow-up care differed drastically.  The emergency room was in a teaching
>hospital, where doctors came to do a residency in emergency care, so I'm
>only assuming that their decision to treat human bites from dog bites was
>well founded.

More likely, from a human point of view, the dog's mouth has fewer bugs
in it that could live in and infect us than does the fellow humans's--not
necessarily fewer bugs overall.  By the same token, dogs might consider a
"people bite" to be less serious than the bite of another dog.  All depending
on the dogs...and the people, of course. :)

 
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From: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Subject: Re: Opal's Inferiority Complex
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:28:33 GMT
Reply-To: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia

In article <BzEu6u.A8A@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes:
|> So, get out your K-9 Psychology books!  8-)
|> 
|> Opal is a 7 year old Sheltie who is probably the most loved dog on the planet.
|> Yes, I know, you think your dog is more loved, but s/he isn't!  :)  Anyhow, my
|> 9 month old daughter Jessica has gotten to that wonderful age of mischief.
|> The problem is this--whenever I scold Jessica for doing something she knows
|> she shouldn't, Opal slinks away like I'm yelling at her.  So as I'm saying,
|> "J, no!", I have to say "Good dog, Opal!"  It's kinda hard sometimes!  :)
|> 
|> Any suggestions?  

My canine psychology book says that it's a mistake to praise 
Opal in this situation. To the dog you're praising him/her 
for being frightened.
_Mark_

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From: shieh@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Breeders In Texas
Keywords: Blue Heelers, Aussies
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:37:11 GMT
Reply-To: shieh@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: shieh@racerx.austin.ibm.com


Hello,
	I haven't been on the net in almost a month (this
work business sure gets in the way of reading news doesn't
it?).  Can some kind folks please mail me names and numbers
of some breeders who raise Austrailian Cattle Dogs and/or
Austrailian Shepards?  I have two Blue Heelers myself that
I really lucked into in the want ads.  This info is for
a friend of mine.  He is interested in getting one of each,
if possible.  Also, we need to find a breeder within a 
reasonable distance from Austin, TX.  Somewhere in the
Dallas - Houston - San Antonio triangle.  Thanks alot!
I'll try to read any postings if you can't reach me through
e-mail.

				JMS.
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From: hjanssen@amiganet.chi.il.us (Hank Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Looking for good german shepard breeders in the IL/WI area.
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:59:22 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


Hay,

Just a simple one, my wife and i are currently looking to buy a great
German sheperd pup. Does anybody know about reputable breeders in the Illinois
or Wisconsin area.???
Any suggestions, comments or other remarks are greatly apreciated.!!!

Regards,

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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:41:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.093725.478@walter.cray.com> pierce@cray.com writes:
>I live with two dogs.  One is an 80+ lb black lab, and one is a 35 lb
>cocker mutt, Mack and Buster, respectively.  These dogs are kept in
>a 100 square foot kennel.  Even though this is a pretty good sized
			       <text deleted>

Are you sure that you mean 100 square feet? That's only 10 X 10. I use this
size kennel for my goldens for "bathroom breaks", but they can't use them for
exercising. They could jump up and down, and take a few steps, but they can't
"run" in them. Why do you think that a 100-square-foot outdoor kennel will
give a dog more exercise than a 100-square-foot room indoors?

The advantage that I can think of for a kennel area is that the dog doesn't need
to be housebroken. However, there are many disadvantages to leaving dogs outside
unattended for an entire work day (e.g., the dog might get stolen or fed
something that would make him sick, or the dog might bark during the day and
disturb the neighbors). Of course, this depends on where you live - some areas
are "safe" to leave a dog unattended for a full day and other areas aren't
"safe".

IMHO there a few really good solutions to leaving a dog alone all day long.
That's why I think the most important time is what you do with the dog after
workhours. Unless, of course, you can leave your dog at "doggie day care"!!!!

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NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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From: mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dry skin problem, was : Eagle Dog Food
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:54:56 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: virga.larc.nasa.gov


All this talk about the best food for dogs reminded me of a problem that has recently surfaced
with my 2yr old Golden. She was on Science Diet maintenance but was gaining too much weight
even though she was getting regular exercise and less than the prescribed amount of food.
I then changed her food to Science diet light and she did lose a couple of pounds! BUT, after 
feeding her this for about 2 months I now find she has big (and I mean big!) flakes of skin
coming off her coat.(our house looks like we had a snow storm inside!!)

It seems to be some kind of a dry skin problem even though I have been
giving her an extra strength Dermcaps (for dry skin) AND putting some vegetable oil in her food
everyday.
Has anyone seen this problem before and knows any solutions to this?
I talked to her vet and he seemed to be of the opinion that dry skin was a common ailment of
the breed. He suggested going back to more fatty food which I am not sure I want to do.

Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated. You can email me at mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov

Thanks in advance,
Shalini

PS This is the first time I am posting something on the net - please overlook mistakes.

email : mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov
From: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Happy Holidays to Everyone!
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison)
Organization: Image Science Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

Hi everyone, this is Indiana, Laurie is my PetHuman.  She is away
from the computer right now, so I thought I'd get on here and tell 
everyone here to have happy holidays!  Thanks for all the great advice when
I had those nastly allergies, my PetHuman was quite worried and
she was much calmer after reading this group... 

However that was bad :) advice on how to teach my PetHuman how to get 
things out of my mouth when I grab something. Now I *can't* eat whatever 
I want!  I have to give it up to my PetHuman!  I don't like that at all.  
I want to be alpha, but my PetHuman has this ridiculous idea that she 
should be alpha.  What nerve!  But I showed her, the other day I got to eat
three dozen raw Christmas cookies, boy were they good!  My PetHuman
was quite upset!  I was quite proud of myself, she only turned her 
back for a second, I worked with blazing speed!  What a superb specimen
of a golden retriever I am, I can retrieve Xmas cookies in the blink of 
an eye!  Of course it helped immensely that the cookies were rolled
up into convenient doggie-sized balls...my PetHuman must have *wanted*
me to eat those cookies...yeah, that's it- she *wanted* me to have them...
It's too bad that I threw up in her car later...she didn't like that too much.

Anyways, thanks to everyone for being so nice and so supportive (ok,
almost everyone- my PetHuman gets very upset about those posts that
talk about putting a dog down at the slightest hint of a problem) 

Keep up the good work!

Happy Holidays everyone!
Indiana (and Laurie too)


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From: wenzel@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Patricia Wenzel)
Subject: Re: Anybody get some neat dog X-mas Presents?
Originator: wenzel@pogo.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:01:17 GMT


In article <C02wp0.7B9@boi.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:
|> In article <23026@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@drutx!att.com writes:
|> >Seeing as this is the season, Did anybody get some neat dog gifts for 
|> >yourself or your pals?
|> 

Our son gave our dog a huge rawhide bone and we gave the dog a new frisbee
(which he would rather chew than return to us).  The dog had to explore every
box that was opened!  He just knew there would be something in there for him
to play with!
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Will late castration affect my dog's behaviour?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:47:54 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Dec22.053716.142@wolves.Durham.NC.US> wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US
(G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>We neutered our male schipperke at about 2.5 years.  It DID help a lot.
>
>He was being extremely aggressive towards Sue, and had nipped both Sue
>and my mother a time or two.  He also went totally berzerk whenever a
>female "in heat" got anywhere near him.   He had a chronic balanitis as
>well.
>
>Since the operation, he is MUCH calmer and easier to get along with.  He
>is a little more "snuggly" and affectionate.  He also gained quite a bit
>of weight.

On the other hand - 

We neutered Tex when he was five. It didn't change his desire to hunt all
smaller dogs and cats. Otherwise, he has always been very calm, so that didn't
change. 

His weight didn't change, either. (Well, I guess he was a pound or so lighter.)

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:55:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pierce@cray.com (David J. Pierce,,,,universeucb)) says:

>I live with two dogs.  One is an 80+ lb black lab, and one is a 35 lb
>cocker mutt, Mack and Buster, respectively.  These dogs are kept in 
>a 100 square foot kennel.  Even though this is a pretty good sized 
>space, when I get home from work at night, these dogs are crazed to
>get out and exercise.  If you think it is okay to keep a large dog
>in a crate all day, regardless of how much exercise he/she receives
>at the end of the day, you are mistaken.  Especially one that is 
>expected to work hunting upland game birds (both my dogs are hunters).

I have to chime in here and say that I disagree with David.  I have two
large dogs that are kept in crates and they are not going crazy for lack of
exercise when I get home.  The craziness is because *I* am home.  I get
home and they get to be around alpha mama again and that is what they want.
 I also am firmly convinced that I inadvertently trained my Airedale to be
a goof when he comes out of the crate by making too much fuss over him when
he was young and I missed him after a day at work.

>
>Why do you need such a big dog?  My suggestion to you is to get a 
>smaller dog, such as a cocker or beagle, that can still be a superb
>hunter/watchdog/companion, and yet is small enough to be paper trained
>or kept in a LARGE crate when you aren't there.  
>
Again I have to say that I disagree with a point of this.  I do not think
that a small dog should have a large crate.  If a crate is to be used as a
component of housetraining, it should only be large enough for the dog ot
comfortably stand, turn around and lie down in.  The reason for this being
that you are trying to teach your dog control of his bowel and bladder by
capitalizing on the dog's natural instinct to avoid soiling his den.  If
the dog can be comfortable at one end of the crate while a pile of feces
sits at the other end, you have caused more harm to housetraining than good
IN MY OPINION.  I also do not believe in paper training because I don't
want my dogs to EVER think that that there is a reason for urination and
defecation in the house.


>Sure, any dog can be kept "healthy" living in an apartment.  And dogs
>are so adaptable that they will usually be "happy."  But take your 
>happy apartment dog and put him in the same living conditions as my
>Mack and Buster, and you will see a TRULY happy and healthy dog.
>

We have already talked this topic to death and so I will stnad by earlier
comments.


>Have a nice dog day!
>
>Dave
>

A salaute to tails... LONG MAY THEY WAVE!

Gail
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Airedale Needs a H
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) 

On 12-30-92, GAIL E. BROOKHART wrote to ALL:

GE> This notice seeking a home for the Airedale is being posted here as a
GE> service to the Breeder, who has possession of the dog.  He does NOT
GE> need the rescue as his breeder has taken responsibility for her stock
GE> by taking back dogs that did not work out with the family, etc.

Wonderful...  Were all breeders to exercise this level of concern about
their pups, it would be a truly wonderful world indeed!

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)

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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tea-totalling dog!
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:20:15 GMT
Reply-To: mlhb@drutx!att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, DCTT, Denver, Co.

In article <1992Dec22.204708.104178@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, lm03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (LINDA E. MUCKEY) writes:
|> My cock-a-poo, Oreo, doesn't let the dregs of my tea mug go to waste.  When
|> I've finished (to her satisfaction, sometimes not mine!) all I'm going to
|> drink, she sticks her cute little snout in the cup & drains it dry!  She will
|> also make sure that no plate I use goes back to the sink with any crumb or
|> smudge of food left on it.  My hubby isn't crazy about it, but I use a
|> dishwasher and anyway dogs have less germs than humans, right?
|> 
|> Oreo is also a real lap-fungus (love that phrase!).  But sometimes she gets in
|> the way of my reading the paper - if I'm not rubbing her belly sufficiently,
|> she sticks her paw  in front of or rattles my newspaper until she gets the
|> attention.
|> 
|> Anybody else have a tea drinker for a dog?
|> 
|> Linda

I don't know if this counts -- my Malamute puppy will take my used tea bags
and eat them if I don't put them some place safe.  She'll try to get them
from the trash if the trash isn't covered.

It is a myth that dogs have less germs than humans.  (I learned that while
working for a vet).  One of the major problems we had were people who thought
that the dog was doing good by licking its wounds (actually they would get
infected because of this!).  Of course, in the wild, this is probably better
than having dirt ground into the wound, but with sterile bandages and 
aseptic types of treatments, licking just cause problems.  As for your
tea mug, I wouldn't worry about it if you run it through the dishwasher.  It
sanitizes most things.

Happy Holidays!

Sky Warrior and family

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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Deer Whistles (was Re: Hearing ultraso
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:44:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.181436.22434@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
= 
= I agree, but I am not talking about a sample population of one.  Grated, I
= am not talking about a huge sample either.  If the approximately two dozen
= deer that were hit by locals in my area, only 2 were hit by people with
= whisltes.  There were more deer (actually, deer and elk both) hit, but
= I can only speak with certainty about people that are local to my area.
= It is probably safe to assume that the other doezen or so were also hit
= by people that did not have them.  At any rate, while this is not a large
= sample, it does seem to indicate that, at least emperically, in my area
= they are somewhat effective.  Maybe we have different deer and elk or
= something. :-)

Only one comment about this--I *promise* :)

To make full sense of Steve's data, one would first have to know
what proportion of *all* vehicles--including those that did *not*
strike deer--had whistles.

In other words, two of twenty-four vehicles--about 8%--involved
in vehicle-deer collisions had whistles.  What percent of *all*
vehicles had (or have) whistles?  If fewer that 8%, it would
suggest that people with whistles are *more* likely to hit deer.
Clearly there are many more variables than this involved but...

One more data point--I don't use them and I've never hit a deer.  :)
I shouldn't have said that--now a whole herd of them will probably
kamikaze my vehicle...


-- 
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