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From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:41:37 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1ah4cmINN3lf@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes:

>animal", but nevertheless I have had flashbacks to lsd trips after
>smoking marijuana.   The flashback was not nearly as intense, but it was
>still disturbing while it lasted.

I suspect that you were just misinterpreting some relatively 
common effects of pot. It can be extremely hallucinogenic
under some circumstances. Panic thereafter would tend to
produce a "rush" similar to those often experienced on LSD.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Museum info wanted
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:21:49 GMT
Keywords: Amsterdam,hashish

morley@Apple.COM (John Morley) writes:

>A while back there was a thread about Amsterdam that included a reference to a
>hashish museum in that city.  I may be visiting there on business in a while
>and wouldn't mind checking out an alternative museum like that.  Could someone
>who remembers the details post the name/location of this museum.

I have one address at hand:

The Hash Info Museum
O.z. Achterburgwal
148 Amsterdam

   Disclaimer: I have never been in Amsterdam, thus have not visited the
museum. I have no idea of the validity of this address.
--
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From: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] factoid...
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:36:46 GMT


There are many drugs that are 'easier' to synthesize than MDA.
By the way, Mr. Anthony, mercuric chloride is a watched chemical-
it can be used in the manufacture of several illicit drugs.

The reason I'm writing this, though, is to point out that it is
folly to say that one synthesis is easier than another (in most
cases).  The main difficulty of synthesizing most illegal drugs is
obtaining the chemicals.  This is not to say that the actual lab work
is not difficult- it is.  It is just that procuring the chemicals for
syntheses of common drugs is *extremely* difficult.  The large
chemical companies (if you have to ask why it is stupid to deal with
small ones, then skip this message) do their homework when it comes
to dealings with their customers.

Okay, so what if you choose a drug to synthesize that is either
new or obscure?  The precursors could be obtained with less hassle
(though still with great effort).  But this route is foolish, too, 
since you will essentially be a lab rat, the tester of an untested
(or relatively so) compound.

Also, talking about which drugs are 'easy' to synthesize is just
a waste, in general.  I am not against the free exchange of 
information.  It just appears to me that the people who read this
newsgroup (with a few exceptions) are profoundly ignorant of the
effort required to make almost any decent drug.  Setting up
a fake company, a mail drop, buying a decent glassware set(18636$),
buying/making a stirrer (and hotplate), ordering chemicals, etc.
not to mention the time spent trying to understand the chemical
literature, and that spent performing the synthesis.  The people
who understand this are, I would say, more or less aware of how
'easy' a drug is to synthesize, and would do it if so inclined.
The people who ask stupid questions ( uh, how do I make LSD in
my bathtub? ) don't strike me as capable of doing anything more
than picking their noses.  And these types of questions just
encourage the first year chemistry d00dz (St. Anthony for one)
to flaunt their limited (and often imprecise) knowledge of 
chemistry, in an attempt to impress the people who asked.
Which leads to more stupid questions.....

It would be much better if people didn't waste their time talking
about the specifics of syntheses, unless they have thought up some
new route.  The people who have need for the specifics know where
to look.

cch@goonsquad.spies.com (have mail access, not usenet post access,
  which explains why this was posted 'anonymously')

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Cocaine
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 18:33:45 GMT


 Uh, someone posted that cocaine was a narcotic and I simply wanted to
say, "no it's not". It's a non-amphetamine stimulant. It inhibits the
uptake of dopamine and norepiniephrine.

St. Anthony

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: FDA's not so bad...
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:24:05 GMT

In article <qFe7RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (stephen voss) writes:
>If the FDA were at the point of seriously testing mj rather than letting 
>a political branch like the dea just publish anti-mj propaganda. I think 
>a lot more people would be willing to stick their necks out .

The FDA doesn't test drugs, and it doesn't "let" the DEA do anything.
The DEA does what it wants.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:06:11 GMT

In article <jah.718135272@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>>That's a less than scientific description.  Nitrous oxide does NOT
>>"react" with your body in any normal sense of the word.
>
>   Then how come it alters the mood? Inhaling inert gases (e.g. helium)
>have no effect on the human body besides hypoxia, as far as I know.

This is largely true for helium, probably because it's insoluble.
(don't forget sounding like a cartoon character, though...)  Xenon,
on the other hand, makes an excellent anesthetic -- entirely
non-flammable, not hepatotoxic, expensive as hell.  Many general
anesthetics are "inert" gases or volatile liquids: nitrous, ether,
halothane... while these aren't really inert in a chemical sense,
they don't act chemically or by binding to a receptor or enzyme.
Certainly, they are not simple asphyxiants.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet)
Subject: Smoking ephedrine?
Summary: Can you smoke ephedrine?
Keywords: Ephedrine smoking
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:16:23 GMT

I have these spiffy little 25 mg ephedrine tablets, and was wondering if 
crushing them and smoking them would be effective and safe.  Thanks!

Jeff "Kaz" Kaczmarek
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Jarrett Paschel)
Subject: Re: FDA's not so bad...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:26:40 GMT

voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (stephen voss) writes:

>If the FDA were at the point of seriously testing mj rather than letting 
>a political branch like the dea just publish anti-mj propaganda. I think 
>a lot more people would be willing to stick their necks out . I actually 
>think thats where the testing of these kinds of substances belong since 
>if people could prove to most people in honest tests that mj is less 
>harmful than many legal substances . We probably could get medical 
>authorization for it and everyone knows once somethings available by 
>prescription one can probably mail order it. Not only that once generic 
>versions become available the price will drop dramatically

What, I repeat, What are you talking about ?

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:22:50 GMT

In article <BvnL5H.LB5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>I don't know about curing cancer (not!) but low level chronic exposure
>>to N2O is not a Good Thing.  The most recent New England Journal of Medicine
>>has a study of lower fertility in dental assistants due to the effects of
>>nitrous oxide exposure.  Dental offices are unequipped with N2O "scavenging"
>*----
>That article said nothing about "low level exposure".

Did you read the article?  Low level exposure, such as you'd seen in an
operating arena, is in the range of hundreds of parts per million, anywhere
from 100-1500ppm.  The point of the article is that fertility seemed to
be affected in such workplaces.

>In fact, I got the
>impression that only people operating with very leaky systems showed the
>problem.  The articles that I have that document peripheral nerve problems
>fail to demonstrate a causal link, but they, too, were only documented
>in people with massive exposure (like a dentist using his own
>anesthesia machine for 3 hours a day).

Gee, then it must be OK to use a box of whippets every weekend. :-)

>>systems, and the operating arena (the open mouth) doesn't lend itself easily
>>to this.  The gas oxidizes B12 stores and a few other enzymes like methionine
>>synthase, both of which are essential intermediates in methylation reactions
>>such as occur during DNA synthesis during cell division.
>
>>The effects of B12 deficiency were first noted as megaloblastic anemia when
>>the gas was administered in subanesthetic doses as an analgesic over the
>>period of several days.  Acute exposure to an individual patient under
>>anesthesia probably isn't a big deal, but a lot of work has gone in to
>>developing systems so that operating room workers who are there every day
>>are not exposed to even low levels of the gas for the aforementioned reasons.
>>There is every reason to think that regular recreational use isn't such
>>a great idea.
>*----
>Can you cite me the source for this?  Credible journal articles
>are always helpful, but I can't quote an unknown source.  The B12
>deficiency would certainly explain the appearance of nervous system
>problems (which makes me wonder if its speculation, coincidence,
>or a genuine discovery).

First of all, all this is well known stuff.  Do the legwork yourself,
and you'll get the references.  Second, if you actually read the journal
article, you'd have been treated with a treasure trove of references
used in the article, many of which address this very issue.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: caffeine (concentrations)
From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:23:19 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct2.152056.1499@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
> does anyone have a list of the relative amounts of caffiene in
> 
> mountain dew
> coke
> pepsi
> coffee
> etc.
> 
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> -- Danny
> 
-- 

From misc.kids, 15 september:-

amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty) writes:
]Well, I suppose it was predictable that someone would post this  
]request, so here it is. Does anyone know the typical caffeine  
]quantities (e.g., cup of coffee or tea, can of coke, etc.)?

SOURCE: Pregnancy and Childbirth, Hotchner:

                           Milligrams of caffeine
coffee (5 oz.):
automatic drip                     110-150
Percolated                         64-124
Instant                            40-108
Decaffeinated                      2-5

Tea:
brewed 5 minutes (5 oz.)           20-50
Iced in can (12 oz.)               22-36

Soft Drinks (12 oz.):
Mountain Dew                       54
Coke, Tab, Diet Coke               46
Pepsi, Dr. Pepper                  38
Pepsi LIght, RC, Diet Rite         36
Ginger Ale, 7up, Orange,     
  Sprite, Fresca, root beer,
  Canada Dry diet cola             0

Chocolate:
Milk chocolate (1 oz.)             6
Baking chocolate (1 oz.)           35
Cocoa beverage (6 oz.)             10

Nonprescription drugs (1 tablet):
Aspirin                            0
Anacin                             32
Midol                              32
Excedrin                           65
No Doz                             100
Dexatrim                           200

-- 

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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


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                  New Zealand

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:06:44 GMT

bbs.northman@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Bryan Clouse) writes:
>Well, I've had experiencd with N2O. The body reacts with the gas over a 
>period of time. I buy a 24 pack of cartridges (sp?) about every three or 
>four months. That's about all I can handle. After that, it isn't as good 
>a zip.
*----
That's a less than scientific description.  Nitrous oxide does NOT
"react" with your body in any normal sense of the word.  In fact,
you don't even metabolize it.  You exhale nitrous oxide (mixed
with carbon dioxide from your normal respiration).  That's why
you can "rebreathe" the gas a few times.  You, you haven't defined
the "period of time" you're talking about, but if its the 3 or 4
months you mentioned, you have some serious misconceptions about
nitrous oxide.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: BSD?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:20:21 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development) writes:
>
>> 
>>      "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
>>      We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
>>      -- Jeremy S. Anderson
>
>But we do beleive it to be wrong.
>
>Unix of course came from Bell Labs and LSD from Sandoz, neither of which are
>located at Berkeley.

     Neither _originated_ in Bereley, but it is a moajor development/
distribution point for both products. It's appropriate therefore to
say that both "come out of Berkeley."

>Who is this Anderson person anyway? He would probably be in line for 'meme of
>the year award' if there was such a thing.

     Dunno. But it's at least a few years old.

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From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: FDA's not so bad...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:13:09 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <qFe7RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
(stephen voss) writes:
>>If the FDA were at the point of seriously testing mj rather than lettin
 
>>a political branch like the dea just publish anti-mj propaganda. I thin
 
>>a lot more people would be willing to stick their necks out .

>The FDA doesn't test drugs, and it doesn't "let" the DEA do anything.
>The DEA does what it wants.

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
     Does that ever say a mouthful!  It seems the DEA, and whoever they
recruit, can and do break any law trying to get their way.


A
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From: wmichael@emunix.emich.edu (Walter Michael)
Subject: Re: legal high
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:48:36 GMT

               An outlet for legal highs is:
                  MAGIC GARDEN HERB CO.
                       Dept. H
                  P.O. Box 332, Fairfax, CA 94930
               Haven't ordered from there myself
              but if you want a list of what they
              sell just e-mail me. I also have
              a copy of LEGAL HIGHS by Adam
              Gottlieb on hand if you need any
              other info.
                                -Wally
                                 wmichael@emunix.emich.edu

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From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:23:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.173708.9795@news.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>I always thought the "recreational"/hazardous effects were caused by solvent
>molecules binding to hemoglobin and causing hypoxia in the brain. (I could

More likely the solvents are just doing normal non-specific general-
anesthetic things -- probably related to lipid solubility and
disruption of cell membranes, last I checked.  I don't see why
solvents would have any particular affinity for hemoglobin...  Nor
do their effects really sound like hypoxia.  Never tried it, I'm
afraid.

>Seth L. Blumberg

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Date: 25 Sep 92 01:24:37 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep24.014405.23431@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

I didn't understand the first bit, so I deleted it :-)

> On a more serious note, I'm sure you realize these syntheses have now been
> copied into tens of thousands of PCs.  I hope they are genuine because they
> will not be lost again.

These syntheses are really not what serious people are going to be
using to make the stuff - no one who has gone to the immense
trouble of getting set up will fail to check the literature
properly. St Anthony has given the reference for one of the
best syntheses.
> 
> Now anybody with half a chemistry degree can make it, given the precursors. 
> Soooo....

Well, I'd sooner say a whole chemistry degree, and a fair bit of
practical experience. And, not just the precursors, but a good
lab with some decent equipment. It is not as if you mix all
the ingredients with a beater in a bowl, or anything.
 
> Which of the chemicals in those reactions are on the FDA "watched" list? (I
> know somebody has that online!)
> 
>     Diethylamide (I'm pretty sure)

You mean diethylamine. It is not watched, and is a common chemical
used for a wide range of purposes.

>     Lysergic acid (but that can be extracted from unwatched morning glory seeds)

Certainly, but you would have to boil down mountains of morning
glory seeds, and perform some tricky preparative chromatography
and hydrolysis in order to produce enough pure lysergic acid
from this source. I doubt that much if any illicit LSD is made
this way. Another possibility is the hijacking of large 
quantities of ergoloid migraine tablets.

>     Anything else?

Well, it depends on which synthesis you are using. Lithium
aluminium hydride is one of the most useful reducing agents, 
and can be used to manufacture a range of illicit substances,
and is hence carefully controlled. In general, getting any
chemicals is a tricky business if you don't have a legitimate
reason to do so.

> 
> What are some legitimate uses for diethylamide? (sic)  

Oh - as a general purpose organic base, e.g. in one of
the purification steps in petroleum refining. Various
chemical industries use drums of the stuff. It is
also used in making dyestuffs, and so on. I have bottles
of it sitting upstairs in my lab.

Once again, to make a well laboured point, I will add
that I don't mind chatting about this, despite the fact
that I don't think any of you are intending to manufacture
LSD.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] THE NUTMEG SAGA CONTINUES
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:32:33 GMT


 Well well well... It seems as though you must have gotten some rather
fresh nutmeg! The freshness is the most important thing if one wants to
use nutmeg as an intoxicant. This is why some get intoxicated and some do
not. A

 St. Anthony

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