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From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Auto Accident -- Child Dies
Keywords: kids, accidents
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <1992Apr7.195306.6805@leland.Stanford.EDU>, michelle@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Michelle Kalehzan) writes:
|> Speaking of accidents....Last Sunday we were on a picnic at a very nice
|> local park in Cupertino, CA, when we were the *only* witnesses to a 2 or 3
|> year old little girl falling into a pond.  Earlier I had noticed that this
|> little girl and her twin sister were running around with apparently no
|> parental/adult supervision.  What a shock it was when she fell into the
|> pond--into water over her head--went down two times and was sinking, when
|> my husband jumped in and pulled her out.  The little girl was shaking and
|> freezing and almost unable to speak.  I took her by the hand and started
|> looking for her mother.  Finally, we found her sitting on the grass *far*
|> from the site of the near drowning.  She just laughed and said, "What
|> happened?!".  My husband wanted to really yell at her.  It was very


I'm afraid that I would not have held back.  In fact, I probably
would have used the *F* word in asking her what she was doing.
I don't even want to think about what could have happened if 
you both weren't there.

I guess it proves you don't necessarily have to have brains
to be a parent!

Leigh Ann
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Trouble Conceiving, or Just Bad Luck?
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:22:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr17.002252.21568
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

In article <2260@transfer.stratus.com> scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey) writes:
>
>Hi Netters,
>
>	It's been three years since the birth of our first child, and my 
>wife and I decided it was time for number two.  We've been trying to 
>conceive for about 4 months now with no success, and we were wondering
>if we should start worrying about this yet.  Can anyone offer some insight?
>Some data points:
>	-My wife's 38.  Does it become harder to conceive as the years acrue?
>	-She had a rather difficult labor (2 months premature, ~38 hour 
>	labor).
>	-With our son, it seemed like we conceived right away (1st month).
>
>As her clock is ticking, and keeping up with the kids gets harder as the 
>years go on, we feel as though we have to make some hard decisions as to 
>whether to abandon the project or not.  Thanks to anyone who can provide us 
>with some information or personal experiences.
>
>scooter
>
>
B
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Hi Scooter-

Generally speaking it takes about a year to determine if one is infertile or
not - some people are lucky conceiving right away - Perhaps your wife should
ask her OB for basal body temperature charts that she can fill out to
determine when is the "right" time.

It works well and helps eliminate some of the frustration you two must
be feeling.

Good Luck

Toni
From: paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore)
Subject: Funny things they say [21 months]
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.014343.901851@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer

>"I am YOU" stage.  Then they hit the twos and enter the "You are ME" stage.
>You know, this is MINE, that is MINE, the other is MINE.  (I remember the first
>time Mitchell talked in his sleep was about age 2 - he was screaming "my ball,
>my ball").

I'm taking Judy's comment out of context, but it reminded me of something
Melanie did this weekend.  She had been visiting with Gramma most of the
day and had picked up on the words 'hi honey'.  Later that evening,
my husband pulled a nickel out of his pocket and said something along
the lines of can you say money.  Mellie grabbed the nickel and said
'my money'.  

[we finally did distract her with something to get the nickel out of her
hands, giving her the nickel wasn't the smartest thing my husband has 
done recently and since it was given to her, why should she give it back?]

Paula Moore
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore)
Subject: update: Re: Anyone have a summary of colic?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:20:03 GMT

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for info on colic.
I'm hoping some of it will indirectly help my sister.  [ I asked for
info to pass on to my sister who is dealing with a colicky baby, She
also needs to deal with a lot of other things emotionaly right now and
the stress of the colicky baby certainly doesn't help. ]
They've just changed the formula he's taking and that seems to be helping
some.  She also uses most of the 'tricks' that I got in response, but I've
passed a few more on to her.  I'm also hoping that they will let me watch
him occasionally while they get out.  Unfortunately, they live about
45 minutes from me, my other sister, and both grandmothers, so if they come
over here there's lots of willing hands to watch him.  Our mother has gone
over there a few times to let my sister get out during the day, I'm not
willing to go over there and take care of the baby, the puppy and my 20
month old running around a new place to explore that isn't childproofed.
(I hope I can handle the baby and my 20 month old in familiar territory -
may as well give it a try :-)

One sweet note, we had a family gathering this weekend since my
grandparents were in town.  It was the funnest gathering in years and helps
now that there is more than just Melanie (my daughter) to 'command'
attention.  I was wondering what her reaction would be to the baby and
especially to Mommy holding the baby, if the pictures come out we'll have
some great snapshots of Melanie giving her cousin a kiss without anyone
suggesting it.  She loved the baby and wanted to 'hold' him no matter who
was holding him.  She 'helped' pat him to calm him down and 'sang' to him.
It didn't seem to make a difference if I was holding him or anyone else.
Of course with that many people around she got lots of attention too - my
grandfather even fed her icecream  with her sitting on his lap, and he's 
never been much for real little kids.

Paula
paula@aix.nih.gov

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: annet@hob6.prime.com (Anne Tormo)
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Reply-To: annet@hob6.prime.com (Anne Tormo)
Organization: Prime Computer
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:12:21 GMT

n article <1992Apr5.004739.3747@eskimo.celestial.com>, jones@eskimo.celestial.com (Laurie Grey) writes:
>With only 2, they either play together or play independently.  With all
>3, one gets left out or gets picked on or ignored.  
  ........
>Anybody with 4 out there?  What's it like?

My mother-in-law, who had 4 children with 6 years difference between the
oldest and the youngest, insists that the even numbers are easier to handle.

But then she's trying to convince us to go for 3.

And then again, she had "perfect" children.  They NEVER misbehaved like
my children,... or so she says ;-)

Anne
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism
Subject: The Satanic Purpose.
From: r9h@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Lord Rohan the Modest)0
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:51:55 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University
Keywords: Purpose.

I once read/heard/watched, I can't remember which, a documentary about
different religions, which also included satanism.

Within it, It explained that Satanists only worshiped Satan to appease his
lust/anger/etc.. so that he would not punish the world, therefore, this
sort of made the 'good guys' within my humble opinion.  Is this perception
of the Satanist's correct, or am I totally off track.  What is the Satanist's
purpose ?  If I was to believe some christians, it would be to bring evil
into the world, but like I said, the documentary has made me think otherwise.

Would anyone involved like to clarify it for me ?

Thanks,
 Rohan.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Six YO "Meany"
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 00:02:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr10.210836.29766@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>I have a six year old son (seven in two weeks) and he is soooooo mean!!
>He chokes his two brothers and his "friends" for no good reason - We
>use time-outs as punishment and do not understand this - perhaps another
>kid had choked him before?????   At any rate - I would be interested in
>finding out if anyone else has encountered this problem - he also hits,
>kicks, bites, you name it!!!!
>
>Help I'M GOING OUT OF MY MIND!!!
>
>Thanks in advance!!!
>

Don't laugh or get mad - have you thought at all about getting
professional help?  It would be one thing if you said that he was
getting angry and then behaving violently (not that this is OK) -
but you say he is doing this "for no good reason".  This in my
opinion is not a great sign, and I can't imagine that time-out
behavior modification would even make a dent in it.  You(and he)
need to find out why he behaves this way.  Perhaps a professional
therapist would be a good place to start.

cheers

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: susan@cs.cornell.edu (Susan Wardwell)
Subject: Re: Rain songs
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:28:17 GMT

nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids) writes:

>Here is a rain song I haven't seen here yet...

>If all of the raindrops 
>were lemon drops and gumdrops
>Oh what a rain it would be

>I'd stand outside with my mouth open wide
>I wouldn't care if I never went inside

>If all of the raindrops 
>were lemon drops and gumdrops
>Oh what a rain it would be



Here's the way I learned it:


If all the raindrops were lemon drops and gum drops
oh what a rain it would be.
I would stand outside with my mouth open wide
wishing for gumdrops all the time...
If all the raindrops were lemon drops and gum drops
oh what a rain it would be.

If all the snowflakes were hershey bars and milkshakes
oh what a snow it would be.
I would stand outside with my mouth open wide
wishing for snowflakes all the time...
If all the snowflakes were hershey bars and milkshakes
oh what a snow it would be.


-- This is fun learning all the different versions of all these
   songs!!

-Susan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:55:20 GMT

In article <92097.092440CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu> <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.032252.13176@usl.edu>, elg@usl.edu (Eric Green) says:
>>
>>From article <92092.093213SASMKW@vm.sas.com>, by <SASMKW@vm.sas.com>:
>>> I am a 32 year old female who needs to undergo a tuboplasty in order
>>> to have children and I'm scared.  Right now, I have less than a 1%
>>
>>No word here about tuboplasty. Not an area in which I have any
>>searching for an adoptive parent. Many aren't "picked" because of
>>"learning disabilities" or emotional difficulties caused by the
>>turmoil in their lives.
>>
>>If your desire is to help a young person grow into a mature
>>well-adjusted human being, well...
>>
>>If, on the other hand, you are more enamored of the biological
>>symbolism of your ova and your husband's sperm creating a product
>>which is undeniably yours, rather than upon the actual product and
>>process of raising children...
>>
>>[additional comments deleted]
>
>I thought that this reply was really offensive.  First of all, it doesn't
>have anything to do with the original post (I know -- I am guilty of the

Yes! Another offensive post by Eric Lee Green. It seems like whenever I see
his name on a post I can expect it to be mean spirited. In the last few weeks
he has attacked one mother for saying she teaching her son manners so people
wont dislike him, he has attacked one father for having two daughters
whos professional choices were, in Eric's words, "womens jobs". And now, 
someone has asked the net a question about a fertility issue and Eric gives her
this! He has also reapeatedly tried to make parents of ADD children feel bad 
about their choice of treatment. Sheesh. 

Most of the people on misc.kids seem to get a lot of information from 
misc.kids, and also, when possible, are able to reciprocate by sharing info.
I doubt Eric is getting much from the news group, but seems to think it is his
mission to come in and tell us how we are doing things wrong. Gee thanks, but
we have had threads on how to deal with people like you in real life. I suppose
the net equivalent would be putting Eric in my kill file. I rarely put anyone
in my kill file, but Eric seems to be a good candidate.

The really scary thing is that this mean spirited person will soon be teaching
children.

Am I alone in feeling this way?

Laura Floom
From: nate@grmail.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Boy (8 yrs.) wearing out shoes
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:51:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: grmail.central.sun.com

In article <1992Apr7.194442.22891@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov (Melissa Probst) writes:
>My son who will be 8 in May has been going through shoes like
>crazy lately.  We are having to buy him new ones every month!
>It doesn't matter if we spend $15 or $50 for shoes they seem
>to wear out just the same.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Melissa

My sister always bought my nephew Zips at Stride Rite cause if they
wore out within a certain period of time (I don't remember how long)
you could exchange them for a new pair.  Maybe they still do this.

Cindy
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From: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Fluff
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division

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Hi everybody,

I just thought you might like a break from all of the stuff on artificial
tanning, and all of the stuff on the Craig Shergold story.

I'm now 5 months along with my pregnancy.  I'm gaining like a pig, because
we're in the middle of a family tragedy, but if I hold my appetite, I can
stay under 30 pounds total.  (It's the chocolate and root beer!)

My husband and I moved into our first house the end of last month.  We love
it, and we think the baby will, too.  Now we can paint that 4-wall mural of
penguins on ice, on the beach, whatever.

I started feeling flutters at 14 weeks, which I guess is early for a first
pregnancy.  By 16 weeks, I could feel the baby kick low, and by 18 weeks
Roby (my husband) could feel the baby from the outside.  It's really cool to
lie awake at night and feel the little cutie pie roll around inside me (uh,
I mean the baby, of course!) ;-)

So, that's the update.  

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Laura  McGovern
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laura@tasvax.nswses.navy.mil		|   Naval Surface Warfare Center
(Baby due in August - our first!)	|   Port Hueneme, CA 
* My husband doesn't always share my opinions, so why should my employer? *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:24:52 GMT

In article <167C3723E.EKOCK@cmsa.gmr.com> EKOCK@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>[...]
>If I had a shred of evidence that I am in any way harming my son
>by going to work everyday I'd quit immediately.  But I doubt
>that there is any evidence out there.  The circle of people who
>love my son is just a little bit bigger than if I stayed at home
>with him.
>
>Flame on.

Ellen,

Flame?!  I was going to ask you if you wanted to get married!  Oh that's
right, you're married and have kid(s).  Well, I do too, so never mind.

Seriously, I enjoyed your post.  Laughed at parts.  Somehow I've got this
feeling that your son will grow up to be very self-confident and have firm
committments.  Not sure where he'll pick up these qualities from :-) :-).

Ken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: Daycare
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.203608.25965@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> radika@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (kumar.s.narayanan) writes:
>We need some words of wisdom from the netdom on startegies to ease our
>13 month old into the world of daycare. April 1 was his first day at the
>daycare near work (a wonderful palce, in our opinion). Much to our dismay,
>he did not quite appreciate the change of scenary and has been bawling
>his heart out during our absence form the daycare center. Our choices are
>these 1) allow him to ahve alenghty tarnsition. His g`pa is willling to spend
>time with him at the center (and the center permits this) so that he is not
>amidst strangers  or 2) steel our hearts and turn oue backs on him every
>morning. We are in a quandry and any advice would be appreciated. Thanks - Kumar


  If the center allows it, and it does, then have grandpa spend part of
  the time there with him until he gets accustomed.  
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NYNEX Science & Technology   clare@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10462       AMIGA RULES!!!
From: stb@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stephanie Bodoff)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:29:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Both parents home (was Re: At what age is day care appropriate?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In article <1992Apr11.001343.901457@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
   In article <STB.92Apr10141848@sbodoff.hpl.hp.com> stb@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stephanie Bodoff) writes:
   I write:
   >   Because I said that if you aren't willing to sacrifice 7% of your lifetime
   >   to the rearing of a child you should rethink whether or not you should have
   >   children, someone suggested that I should also rethink having children since
   >   I have stated that I find my job satisfying and Ron is "chomping at the bit"
   >   to go back to work.  What you fail to realize is that many people who do
   >   not have children read this newsgroup.  They often post asking questions like,
   >   "How do you know if you should have children."  This rethink was targeted at
   >   that audience.
   >
   Stephanie writes:
   >In point of fact my post was directed precisely at those people thinking
   >about having children. I used your particular situation because I think it
   >casts some considerable suspicion on your criteria. Whatever philosophical
   >or moral arguments you care to marshall in favor of only parents looking
   >children, I believe that it is not in children's best interest to be cared
   >for by people who don't really want or like the job of full-time childcare.
   >

   Let me get this straight.  Because Ron is "chomping at the bit" to get back
   to work indicates that he doesn't like the job of full-time childcare?  By
   what form of logic do you draw that conclusion?  I am chomping at the bit to
   write my second screenplay and my grandmother's biography and finish 
   illustrating my children's book.  Does that mean I don't like coming home to
   my family after work?

We're writing English prose here, not programs, so it's a question of
interpretation.  The remark suggests to me a state of mind rather than the
result of a bad day with the kids. Most of the people I've met that were
happy being stay-at-home parents gave me the impression that this was their
"first choice" and that for the time being, they had no strong desire to go
out to work. 

Stephanie
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How kids think (Was Re: cute things they say (3 yo)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.181629.13145
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, gryder@Data-IO.COM (Gerald Ryder) says:

>I had a conversation with my 3 year old a couple of days ago, it went
>like this. We were driving down hwy 167 southbound. There was a large
>balloon in the shape of a blimp on a tether next to the freeway. Jordan
>asks me, "what dat' daddy?" . I replied, "it is a big balloon". He then
>asked, "what is it doing?" I said, "they are using it for
>advertisement, to sell cars or something like that" He then wanted to
>know, "what it made of?". I thought about it for a moment............
>then said, "I think it is made of some sort of rubberized fabric, canvas,
>or something like that". He looked at me for about a second and said,
>"I don't think so". I had to laugh!
>
     This is cute, but what's cutest is asking him what HE thinks it's
made of. My mom says when I was 4.5 and we took our first airplane ride, I
was amazed when we when we went into a fluffy cloud bank and out of it so
easily; I had expected it to be made of marshmellows, cotton candy, or
something like that.  After all, it was light, fluffy ones that didn't
produce rain. (I think - I'm no weatherman, though.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: peterson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Peterson x2495)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bowling while pregnant?
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:08:56 GMT
Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corp.

In article <ygwjdlj.sue@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>In article <29826@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>>
>>Have any of you bowled while pregnant and if so for how far into
>>your pregnancy (I'm currently 16 weeks). My OB said not to lift 
>>anything over 25 lbs not because I would hurt my pregnancy but may 
>>hurt myself.  My bowling ball is 10-12 lbs and my husband thinks I


My sister bowled up until delivery and had no problems.  I also finished
mixed league bowling last Sunday and the other woman on my team is due in
early May.  Besides her center of gravity being off she did just fine.  Her
score also improved.  Her doctor had told her a the beginning of her pregnancy,
this is her second, that she would have to quit aerobics (she did full aerobics
with her first and delivered early) but that she could continue to bowl.  So
if your doctor thinks its OK to bowl, enjoy yourself.  You can't stop having
fun just because your pregnant.



Patricia


 

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