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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 2 dogs need new homes (half-Samoyed male; American Eskimo female)
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:12:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

>In article <19396@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
>|>In article <1573@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com (Fred Flintstone) writes:
>|> 
>|>     They don't bark any more than most dogs (just when other dogs and
>|>     some people come by the house). Before I end up in court they MUST
>|>     find a loving home SOON (or I'll have to regrettably take the pound
>|>     route).
>|> 

[stuff deleted]

>
>There is a simple, effective and cost effective way to keep your dogs.  Get them
>debarked.  (Wait and hear me out before flaming me!)
>
>Debarking is a simple operation in which the dog can go home in a couple of
>hours.  While I have not debarked any of my dogs, I do have two debarked huskies.
>They still can bark, but it sounds muted (no longer booming).
>

[stuff deleted]

This is a good suggestion.  A musher friend of mine has Siberians that have
been debarked, for the exact reasons stated above.  The dogs enthusiasm has
certainly not been dimed, and it allowed him to keep his dogs.  While not
everyone may agree with debarking, the realities of our society sometimes call
for solutions like this.  If it keeps a dog, or dogs, in their happy, loving home,
I think there is nothing wrong with it.

I guess I should put my asbestos suit on as well.

Another musher friend of mine has an even larger kennel, but he approached the
barking problem differently.  He has one of these ultrasonic gizzmos that is
voice activated.  When any dog barks in his kennel, this thing goes off as negative
reinforcement of that behavior.  He also has one that is remote control, so
he can set it off himself if he wants/needs to.  His kennel is quiet.  You
might want to consider this option if you do not want to debark.  However,
debarking is guaranteed to work.  This may or may not work.  It worked for
this friend of mine, but that is only one data point.

I am fortunate to live in the country, so I have no problem with griping 
neighbors :-)


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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need help writing Nasty Letter
Date: 17 Aug 1992 15:19:46 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

amiranda@ariel.aero.org (Ann Miranda) writes:

>If you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that I said "one
>of the MANY reasons ..." we got the puppy was for breeding our male. 
>We didn't get her JUST because our "horney" male hasnt' had "sex"
>in two years. Our male happens to be a very beautiful, intelligent, 
>healthy, and well-tempered dog, who would be quite suitable for 
>breeding.  We do plan to breed him eventually, although we don't
>intend to be backyard breeders.

Since you are not wanting to be a back-yard breeder, I assume that you
are planning on being a breed expert.  Great! We need more breed
experts in this country.  I would think that you woule wait to select
a bitch from another breeder rather than getting your own to breed to
your male.  Chances of any particular bitch being suited for a
particular dog are small.  If I remember right, you are talking about
a Sheltie, right?  Well, then I also assume that you are going to show
your dog at least enough to get some championship points on him to
verfiy his conformation, and then get some performance titles to
verify trainability.  The same training and evaluation should go into
the bitch as well.  I also assume you will spend considerable time
with a veteran breeder so that you can learn the ins and outs of the
breed.  At this point, you need to determine if you actually have the
time to care for the puppies.  After all this work, what will you do
when you discover that your new bitch does not complement your male
very well?
--
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Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Custom Paw-print Shirts, Slacks, and Skirts
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:18:10 GMT


Bill, my 110-lb. Akita is also a "jumper".  Unfortunately, so many people
like her jumping on them that she's gotten a real mixed message about when
this is/is not acceptable.  In fact, her jumping is the main reason I keep
a prong collar on her (for influence).

In any event, when I see frail elderly on the street and I think there's a
*possibility* that the person will approach my dog (most do not), I put
Annie in a "sit", hold on to collar close to the neck and continuously
tell her to "stay down" (laws of physics--I can't hold her down physically
with my arm).  I also do this when there are kids passing--I usually do
it as a matter of course around kids since you never know what kids are
going to do.  It's worked for me.
From: krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: FREE German Shep Puppy
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:49:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug13.204743.3970@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>  
slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com writes:

> Excuse my ignorance, but what are fallen pasterns?

FALLEN PASTERNS ARE WHEN THE PART OF THE FOOT FROM THE "WRIST" TO THE FOOT  
ARE TOUCHING THE GROUND.
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:06:45 GMT

In <168469473.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>In article <winders-140892150619@macwinders.support.apple.com>
>    winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
>
>>If someone wants to take a hunting dog and make it a perfect companion,
>>let them.
>
>
>No.  Not without a fight.  Not with MY breed.

Gosh, Mr. Barnes.  I don't see YOUR name on MY dog's registration papers.

--Cindy

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From: roger@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Neutering a male pointing dog???
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:43:00 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	I have a 4-month, male English setter which I will be using
for hunting. I need a fairly wide-ranging dog, not one that works too
close.  My vet suggested neutering the dog, and swore that this would
have no affect on his hunting capability. However he was unable to
tell me of any local bird dogs that had been neutered. It would be
nice to cut down on the dog's roaming instinct, but I am nervous about
being a pioneer in this way.
	Does anyone have any knowledge or experience in hunting with
neutered male pointing dogs?  My main concerns would be about the
basic hunting instinct (or drive) and about stamina and weight gain.
	
Roger C. Green,	Faculty of Medicine                      Phone: (709)737-6884
Memorial University , St. John's, Newfoundland.          FAX  : (709)737-7010


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From: pdaunno@Ingres.COM (Paul Daunno, Premium Support)
Subject: HELP!!  Old Dog - New Dog Problem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:33:38 GMT

I have a 6 year old female Dachshund (Jasmine) and this past Saturday brought
home an 8 week old male Golden Retriever (Max).  The first day Jasmine was
extremely afraid of Max and whenever Max chased her she ran away from him.
The last 2 days have been somewhat better (she walks away instead of running)
but today Jasmine will not eat or drink anything, is staying by herself on the 
first floor of our house (Max can't go down stairs yet), and will not listen to
us.  She always has been a VERY GOOD dog, well obeyed, etc.  

Is Jasmine's behavior normal?
If so, how long can we expect this behavior to last?
How have others with more than 1 dog handled problems like this?

Any and ALL help is greatly appreciated.  Time is of the essence.

THANKS MUCH!

Paul Daunno
Ingres, An ASK Company
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: LIFE magazine and Puppy Mills
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:15:57 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <BsyGpK.FAr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>don't buy from pet stores, please.....
>
>This reminds me of a question....Here in Champaign, there is a petstore
>that claims it does not buy puppys from mills, and they have posted petitions
>for people to sign to stop puppy mills.  To what extent is this sort of
>thing a marketing ploy, and how much is legit?  I like to stop in and
>look, although it will be quite a while before I can buy a dog.  (I have to
>get the huskys away from my mom before she trades 'em in for cats ;)

>I sometimes wonder where they get their dogs, although they do have papers
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>and pedigrees for them.  (An overly eager salesman showed them to me once
>when he thought I would buy the female akita puppy that stole my heart....
>and I almost did :)  Now, I realize that one should be careful about
>pet stores and genetic problems and such, but what about petstores like
>this one?  If more pet stores spoke up against puppy mills, maybe the mills
>would find themselves out of business.....
>No flames, please, I'm just really curious about this and the legitimacy.
>(and how many other stores do this?)

Where they get their dogs is exactly the question; I would be pretty
suspicious.

What I don't understand is, why would anyone want to buy a dog from a
store?  All you're doing is depriving yourself of the opportunity to
meet the breeder and the puppy's parents, to assure yourself that the
puppy's temperment and upbringing are consistent with your standards.
Plus, by buying critically from an independent breeder, you'd be
encouraging the health of your chosen breed, by depriving the
indiscriminate breeders (including puppy mills) of your dollars.  And
why pay a middle man (the pet store) to get your dog, anyway?

Of course, if you decide to adopt a rescue dog from a shelter or breed
organization, that rules out pet stores altogether.

P.S. Did you see the guidelines on interviewing breeders recently posted
     by Schalene Dagutis?  Have you read the FAQ on getting a new puppy,
     or any of the references it recommends?  I'll send it along if
     you'd like.
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere)
Subject: My dog hyperventilates in his cage
Originator: giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:41:11 GMT

My dog Dino, acquired from the local humane society not too long ago, has
a real phobia about being left in a cage.  Once he's in he starts to shake
and start panting like crazy.  He won't touch any food or water left in the
cage, or play with any toys.  Once I came home and he had managed to bend
part of the cage door, trying to get out.  I'm trying to get him over his
phobia -- who knows what the previous owners did? -- and am wondering if 
anyone has any good suggestions for me....

-- 
 Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
          So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Another breeding question -retraction
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:58:46 GMT

In <1992Aug19.152947.8743@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Desperately seeking a major) writes:

>< LOts of other good stuff deleted.
> After reading Terry's response about breeding, I retract my earlier post.
>There were many things he brought out that I hadn't considered.  WOW!  I
>have a lot to learn.  Sure glad there are people out there who are willing to
>teach.

Yes, I was impressed too.  Guess what's coming to a FAQ near you...???

(Thanks, Terry.)

--Cindy

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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Keywords: showing, AKC, Shiba
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 12:57:12 GMT

In article <2A92BDCD.11353@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
|> 
|> A "major" is 3, 4 or 5 points.  The number of points at a particular
|> show is dependent on the number of same-sex-same-breed dogs the dog
|> competes against.  The number itself is dependent on the popularity of
|> the breed.  As an example (the numbers are ball-park, but not way
|> off), a female labrador needs to win best of breed or best of opposite
|> against at least 95 other female labradors to get a 5-point major.  A
|> female bloodhound, on the other hand, need only beat 8 other female
|> bloodhounds.  This is due to the greater number of labradors competing
|> in shows.

Oops Cindy,
This needs a slight correction.  Using your example, a Lab bitch would need
to go Winners Bitch over 95 other class bitches for the points.  Best of Breed
or Best of Oppostite are not necessary for points, but can add additional points.
If a class bitch goes Best of Breed she may count all specials, dogs & bitches,
toward points.  If she goes Best of Opposite Sex she may count all specials
bitches.

For example, let's say our class bitch went Winners Bitch over 80 other
class bitches which gave her 3 points and then went Best of Breed over 15 specials, dogs and bitches, then our bitch would recieve 5 points.
If she went Best of Opposite Sex instead of Best of Breed she could then count all specials bitches for points. 

Definitions:
  Class bitch - bitch who is not a champion of record.
  Specials bitch - bitch who is a champion of record & may not compete
                   in the classes.

Another way a bitch can get points towards her championship is to go
Group 1 from the classes.  If this happens, the bitch is awarded points
equal to the number of points earned that day by any breed of dog defeated
in the group ring.

Note: This all works the same for dogs and bitches.

  hope this helps,
     -kayti
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: convincing people to go to responsible breeders
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:24:18 GMT

Beth Schwindt writes:
> Every last [breeder], when hearing she wanted a pet instead
> of a show dog, hung up on her.  She ended up...buying
> [a dog] from a pet store

Come again?  She didn't visit her local shelter?
She didn't contact the rescue society for the breed?

-- Jon
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Scaredy cat dog
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.184628.12684@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com> oneill@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Patrick G. O'Neill) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.085918.1@opal.tufts.edu> gbelli@opal.tufts.edu writes:
>>My beagle and I just moved to a new apartment.  It has a fenced in back yard,
>>which was one of the deciding factors for taking the apartment.  I had visions
>>of Spenser scampering down the stairs (2 flights), doing his business, and 
>>coming back upstairs.  The fly in the ointment--he's afraid to go down the 
>>stairs.  He wants to (the yard looks mighty appealing to him), but I think
>>the steepness of the stairs frightens him.  Does anyone have any suggestions
>>as to how I can get him to go down the stairs?  I don't want to traumatize 
>>him,  but we'd both enjoy it if he could use the yard.  Thanks for your 
>>suggestions.
>>Gretchen Belli
>>
>>PS  He's too heavy for me to carry.
>
>  I have a 10 week old Lab (Bonnie) that just this week made her first 
>trip up and then down the stairs.  She didn't have any problem going up 
>but was very scared to take the first step coming down.

My Malamute had the same problem when he was little (not too little to negotiate
the stairs, but a pup none the less).  He would charge right up, but hesitated
going down.  To see why, I got on all fours and tried going down the stairs.
It was pretty scarry.  I felt like I was going to fly head over heals the entire
time (and I looked pretty funny doing it too).  I know that I am not used to 
walking on all fours like my pooch, but I still think that was his problem.

>
>  What we did was to have Bonnie at the foot of the stairs and I would
>go up just a few steps and sit down.  She would follow me up the few
>steps.  Then I would go down 1 step and sit.  She felt safe being next to 
>me so she came down the 1 step to be close.  Repeated this for the last
>two steps.  After doing this a couple times, she soon felt comfortable
>coming down two then three steps at a time to get to me.  Of course, Lots
>and Lots of praise on each accomplishment along the way.

This is *exactly* what I did with my Mal.  He was soon charging up and down
the stairs without stopping (be careful what you wish for :-) ).

[stuff deleted]

>
>
>/Patrick 
>

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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: CHD is not Hip Dysplaysia!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:32:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

CHD or Chrondodysplaysia (sp?) or Dwarfism is a disease found in Malamutes.  This
affects the forelegs of the dog making them stubby and malformed.  Malamute
breeders use a CHD factor when calculating the likelihood of an Alaskan Malamute
carrying this gene.  A dog with a CHD factor higher than 6.25% is considered
unbreedable.  This disease has primarily appeared in the M'loot Malamute lines.

Sky Warrior

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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A Question about Dogs: Pomeranians
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <19AUG199201424871@rosie.uh.edu> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
writes:
>After seeing pomeranians at pet stores, pet shows, in magazines, and books, I
>have noticed that their facial features do not look alike.  I have seen some
>that have a more pronounced muzzle than others.  Also, the ears seem longer 
>on some(do they cut the ears?).  In addition to facial characteristics,
>some look like small furry balls with four short legs while others look like 
>small furry balls with four long legs(I don't think this is due to grooming).
>In any case, how do I know if I am buying a "true" pomeranian.  

Oliver: You have discovered the magic attraction of conformation competition!
In Poms, as in any purebred, there is a written standard of excellence for the
breed.Conformation judges evaluate each Pom presented in the ring against that
written standard. Because there is, by definition, no "perfect" Pom, 
each judge evaluates against a slightly different perfect Pom in his/her
mind's eye. So you can end up with variation in Type (those characteristics
which make a Pom a Pom, and not a Newf or a Poodle) that is well within the
standard for the breed.
To be assured you are getting "correct" type in a Pom, do some homework. Read
the Standard (available from the Pomeranian Club and contained in the AKC Book
of Dogs at your local library), buy the AKC video tape of the breed standard
(uses still and full-motion photography of today's champions to discuss and
describe the important features of the breed) and study it. Armed with this
knowledge, attend dog shows and do some ring-side and grooming-table judging
of your own. Decide what Type appeals to you most, and find a breeder that is
consistently producing that Type. And buy a puppy. Simple, right?
Good Luck!
********************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands

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From: bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley)
Subject: Where to go problem
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:42:18 GMT




We have had a new puppy for a week now. Shes now
10 weeks old. She immediately was pretty good about 
going outside on a large concrete patch (easy to clean).
My 10 year old Bouvier (also female) also goes there. 
Well puppies will be puppies and she wouldnt leave
the Bouvier alone. Yesterday the Bouvier had enough 
of this and pinned her down and showed her who is boss.
The pupppy has not shown any submissiveness though.
The problem is she has refuses to go where the
Bouvier goes.  She now like the deck, the grass,
the kitchen, her crate etc. Dont know if there 
is cause and effect here. Any similar experiences?

  Michael Bradley
From: tuttle@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: marking territory
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:34:40 GMT
Reply-To: tuttle@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: tuttle@cloy.oswego.edu

I have two dogs, a pekinese-chahuahua that is 11 years old, and a peek-a-poo who is 2 years old.  Both are males.  The problem that I have is that the dogs seem to "fight" with each other over who owns the door frame, table leg or whatever bag or box is sitting on the floor.  The vet explained that by peeing on something, the dog is saying "this is mine" and then the other dog comes up and says
"no, it's mine!" and thus this vicious cycle goes on an on and on.  Will neutering help?  Is it too late for the older dog?  Can they be broken of it?  I just 
moved into a new house, and consequently, neither dog is allowed in it any more Any advice is appreciated.



 





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