HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: simsh@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Chewbacca)
Subject: Re: Could be a vx's mem-manager problem?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:14:37 GMT

noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.004830.3568@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian
>Kendig) wrote:
>> An init ("Memory Manager") was distributed publically to fix this, but
>> the init was buggy itself -- using it would corrupt data and crash systems.

>This was never distributed on purpose -- it got out unintentionally.  Due
>to the problems Brian mentioned people were recommended strongly to get rid
>of it!

>noah

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>noah@apple.com                                 Macintosh Hardware Design
>...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah   (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.

Waitaminute. I got an INIT called MMInit. Is this the thing you're talking
about? I remember the README file said it was supposed to fix a bug in the ROMs
of a bunch of computers (including the si-mine). It seems kind of recent.
There are color icons in it, but I can't be sure of the date. Is it bad to
have? I haven't noticed any problems and have had it for several weeks. Have
the problems been fixed in the system software?
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     Hillel Sims                        e-mail: simsh@rpi.edu
     >:-) The Smiling Vulcan            Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
From: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Is someone from Focus here?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:20:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov10.052029.9404
Reply-To: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University

A while back, just after I posted a review of the responses
I got about Focus Tech's Syquest drives, someone from Focus
posted. Shortly after, the news server here went bzzzt,
and I lost that article. Hello? Can you reply to me?
I would just like to know.

-rich
rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mo@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: 68000 binaries, PowerPC chips, and Echo Labs...
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: mo@bellcore.com
Organization: Center for Chaotic Repeatabilty
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:17:44 GMT

Binary to binary translation between 68K and a few other
instruction sets has been demonstrated by
the folks at Echo Labs (a spin-off from a Bell Labs
project, it is said), and Apple has signed a license
for the technology.  They declined to explain exactly
what they had in mind for it, but, well, you go figure.

	=Mike

Bellcore?? Bellcore isn't allowed to have opinions. These be mine.
From: dandrese@ucsb.edu (Andresen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: SE w/Accelerator dislikes Sys 7
Summary: SE doesn't boot w/System 7
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:20:25 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

The college newspaper at my alma mater has a Mac SE (4/50) with
a Radius Accelerator 16 and Two-Page Display installed.  Tonight
I was attempting to update their disk with System 7 with a singular
lack of success.  The installation went well, but booting only got
as far as the "Welcome to Macintosh" message before the system froze.

The effects are the same with and without extensions, and with the
accelerator on and off.  The Radius software might be the problem - the
board is c. '89, and the software isn't much newer.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Dan
From: eaeu137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Andrew Theodore Laurence)
Subject: Re: where are the PB 180's?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:31:43 GMT
Distribution: comp

At the UC Irvine computer store, our Apple Rep told us at the beginning of
the week "February/March" for 180s. THEN, today we received FIVE 180s,
all 5/80 configurations.

Go figure.

--Andrew
From: lwalsh@nemo (Laura L. Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 256-MB optical drives?!!?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:50:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.lwalsh.721497029
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>So it would seem that comparable performance can be found in 128Mb standard.

>My comments are based on looking at various options, not on experience
>with any of the above mentioned alternatives.  People with direct experience
>might disagree.
>--Josip

I just re-read MacUser's article about the various 128Mb optical drives
and I think I am in the market for one.  Does anyone have any experience
with the various brands that use the Sony mechanism?  What about good
places to mail order them from?
Laura Walsh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro)
Subject: Re: SPEED and SPEED your IIsi
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: NSWC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:03:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.114114.24899@news.Hawaii.Edu>,
guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (Kui Yu Chang) wrote:
> 
> For those who still don't know, I just read something here that says by
> setting the Disk Cache in Sys7 to 768K, you get faster screen updates on
> your Macintosh IIsi because all the RAM in Bank A(where the video memory
> is also allocated)will be used-up.
> 
> I did an EXPERIMENT immediately and find that the speed-up is IMPRESSIVE!!!
> 
> All the machines below have similar system configuration, the IIcx uses a 
> standard MacII 8.24 graphics card though.
> 
> Machine		Before		After set Cache -> 768K		Speed-up
> =======		======		=======================		========
> Mac IIcx	5.08 secs	5.08 secs			N.A.
> Mac IIsi	8.58 secs	5.08 secs			1.69
> Mac IIci	4.63 secs	3.66 secs			1.27
> 
>REST DELETED

Try redoing your test with lots of inits loaded.  I think you will find
that 
in this case having such a high cache setting is not necessary.  That's 
because the inits also fill up the RAM in Bank A.  On my IIsi with lots of 
inits I found the optimum cache setting to be between 128K - 256K.  Also 
according to Speedometer 3.1, setting the cache too high to 768K causes the

disk speed to slow down dramatically.
From: jowhang@honors.uoregon.edu (John Whang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Hooking up IIsi to LaserJet III via Ethernet
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:47:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Nov9.224757.18540
Organization: Wanda's House of Whips and Leather

We have a Novell network running on a 386 server.  We have a
Hewlett-Packard LaserJet III (with PostScript) hooked into the LAN.  In
addition, we have a Macintosh IIsi computer with an Ethernet card.  Both
the Macintosh and the Novell LAN have Ethernet access to the University's
LAN.  Is there a way that we can print from the Macintosh to the LaserJet
III on the Novell LAN?  If so, what kind of equipment do we need.

Any help whatsoever on this would be greatly appreciated.  If you can give
us a cheap and effective solution to these problem, I will worship the
ground you walk upon and think you're the neatest thing since the
Veg-O-matic forever (or until next Tuesday).

jowhang@honors.uoregon.edu
jcw@darkwing.uoregon.edu
From: Dave Clark <dclark@ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: On my way to 25MHz IIsi upgrade!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:57:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego - IGPP
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: daveman.ucsd.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXMessage-ID: <A72539B7E1010D33@daveman.ucsd.edu>
X-XXDate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:04:39 GMT

Can someone email me directly on the si upgrade procedure?  I can only
gather from the replies that the crystal gets replaced and I missed the
original posting.  Can someone also summarize the gotchas?

Thanks,
Dave Clark
IGPP Network Operations
University of California San Diego
La Jolla, CA 92093-0225
(619) 534 1753
internet: dclark@ucsd.edu
From: mschindl@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Mathias Schindl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Q: looking for german distrib.of E-machines graph.cards
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:35:04 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

Hello,
is anybody out there who can tell me about a german distributor for graphics
adapters from E-Machines?

If not, who can give me informations about the specifications of different
available cards from E-Machines and about possibilities to connect monitors
not supplied by E-Machines.

Thanks very much in advance

Mathias Schindl
Physik Department, TU Muenchen, Germany
From: blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Yet Another Mac IIci For Sale
Summary: No longer for sale
Keywords: Mac IIci sale
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:36:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxIxKI.7y6.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I had put up my Mac IIci for sale in anticipation of a replacement machine;
unfortunately the replacement fell through.  Since I need a machine for my
work, I'll be keeping the IIci.

I apologize for raising false hopes...

	Bruce



-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: shl1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: SE/30 floppy drive dying
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:50:43 GMT

It started right after I installed Micron Xeed 8-bit color card and the gray-
scale adapter myself this spring.  Sometimes when I insert a floppy disk into
the drive, the drive wouldn't recognize the presence of the disk.  The mechanism
would pull the disk into the drive, but the reading/writing head wouldn't spin.
If I use a paper clip trying to eject the disk, as soon as I put the paper clip
through the hole, the drive would come back to life again.  However, it keeps
occurring every couple of weeks or so.  Recently it happens a lot more frequently, and sometimes I have to put the paper clip through the hole a couple of times before the drive revives.  It's getting very annoying.

Anyone knows what's wrong with it and how to fix it besides bringing the machine to an Apple dealer (something a college freshman cannot afford to do)

HELP!  Please email your response to SHL1@CORNELL.EDU  Thanks!

Steven Lee
From: bill@kirkwood.sybase.com (Bill McFarland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 25 mHz IIsi--another success story
Keywords: 25MHz ][si upgrade IIsi
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:10:49 GMT

I upgraded my IIsi to 25MHz also.  Added the 50MHz clock chip, a socket, and
a mondo heat sink on the '030.  I had an EE friend do the soldering.

I have 16Mb (4x4) 80 ns simms.  I have a Quicksilver card with '882 FPU
and 32K 25ns RAM cache.

Everything, including FPU arithmetic, is faster, especially 8-bit video.

It's just wonderful and I LOVE my new IIsi.

I voided my warranty in the first month when I installed my 4MB simms myself.

Bill

--
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These are my opinions and have nothing to do with Sybase, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu (Hani W. Akhras)
Subject: 2 Questions on the Performa 600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Johns Hopkins University 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:24:54 GMT

I wanted to know if the same upgrade options would be available for the
performa 600 as the ][vx. I read somewhere that you could upgrade the ][vx
to the centris 650 (which I don't know anything about). Would this be
possible with the 600?

Also, what are some of the prices people have seen for the performa 600. I
can get the ][vx at educational prices. Are prices on the 600 bought from a
store still cheaper than the educational prices of the ][vx?

Any remarks for/against the 600 versus the ][vx would be appreciated.

thanks

____________________
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hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: simsh@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Chewbacca)
Subject: Re: SPEED and SPEED your IIsi
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:48:42 GMT

pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.114114.24899@news.Hawaii.Edu>,
>guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (Kui Yu Chang) wrote:
>> 
>> For those who still don't know, I just read something here that says by
>> setting the Disk Cache in Sys7 to 768K, you get faster screen updates on
>> your Macintosh IIsi because all the RAM in Bank A(where the video memory
>> is also allocated)will be used-up.
>> 
>> I did an EXPERIMENT immediately and find that the speed-up is IMPRESSIVE!!!
>> 
>>REST DELETED

>Try redoing your test with lots of inits loaded.  I think you will find
>that 
>in this case having such a high cache setting is not necessary.  That's 
>because the inits also fill up the RAM in Bank A.  On my IIsi with lots of 
>inits I found the optimum cache setting to be between 128K - 256K.  Also 
>according to Speedometer 3.1, setting the cache too high to 768K causes the

>disk speed to slow down dramatically.

On my IIsi with 128K cache and a system size of 2300K (!!!) with all INITs
loaded, Speedometer rates my CPU at 5.492. With many INITs removed, but cache
size the same, I get rated at 3.736. Similarly everything else is sped up
with all the INITs. So for those of you with very large system files, there's
no need to increase the cache much as it won't help much, although there are
some other benefits on all machines with a larger cache.
-- 
     Hillel Sims                        e-mail: simsh@rpi.edu
     >:-) The Smiling Vulcan            Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 15:43:56 EST
Subject: Re: RAM upgrade for LW IINT?

I don't think it is upgradable but, if you find it is then, let me know!

- BulkRate... and worth every penny!-darren_tong@fourd.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: SONY 1320, 1304 vs. Apple 14"
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:21:56 GMT


Hello Net,

I see the SONY 1320 ($399) and the 1304 ($599) for sale at MacLand. Can 
anyone tell me the difference between these two trinitrons (?) and the 
new Apple 14 " ? Has anyone used the 1320 with their Mac ? How was the 
appearence ? Rumor has it that the SONY monitor have a lower dot-pitch,
how can the same tube (Apple 13 and 14) have a different dot-pitch ?


Thanks much,

Jim

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen)
Subject: More memory to OLD Mac Plus??
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date:  9 Nov 92 07:47:52 GMT

I tried to help a friend of mine to upgrade the memory of his Mac Plus.
I bought 4 pcs of 1M x 8 SIMMs (80 ns) and plugged them in. To my 
suprice I got only 2 MB out of them. Is there something else to do?

After I had tried may times to switch SIMMs (to find out if there is
a faulty SIMM), I decided that 2 SIMMs is enough for 2MB, but I did
not find out where to put those two!

May I ask that you email the aswer to me, as I do not have time
to follow this group very often.

Thank you

Kimmo
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: nrz@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Does anybody have a 16-bit graphics card price list?
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:22:45 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1671@radius.com>,
lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) writes: 
> sakelley@euclid.ucsd.edu (Scott Kelley) writes:
> 
>>Several different people have written:
> 
>>>Anybody have a list of prices for good 16-bit color cards for a
>>macIIci?
>> 
>>I could also use a list of 16-bit video cards that would work well in a
>>IIci with a 13" monitor. One reason we 're interested in 16-bit cards is
>>  < deleted>
> 
> You should check out the Radius PrecisionColor 24Xp interface.  It will give
> you 1, 4, 8, 16, and 24 bit depths on just about any 13" to 16" display.  It
> works at 640x480, 800x600, and 832x624.  The board is so (relatively) inex-

I would recommend that you look also at the E-Machines Futura SX card.  It
is nearly equivalent to the Radius 24Xp in functionality, although it can
also do 1024x768 at 8-bit depth.
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: MAC PLUS - reboots when floppy inserted.  HELP!  Advice?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:35:21 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

||
|| However, when a floppy is inserted, the machine REBOOTS!  AAIGH!
||
> Sounds like the voltage could be set too low.  If it is, then the drain from
> thefloppy motor at surge spinup could be enough to bring down your system.
> Adjust the voltage, test it with a digital multimeter so you know it's on
> the money.  It should be as close to 5.00 volts as possible.  You can measure
> the 5volts on the middle pin of the cable harness from the power supply to
> the logic board.  It's easily adjusted (the plastic shield on the bottom
> of the analog board indicates which indicator to turn).  Take the necessary
> high voltage precautions with an open set.

	it might be useful to mention that you can test the 5 volt
	level without opening the machine at several test points,
	such as

		SCSI-port:	pin 3 has 5v behind a 10K resistor
				ground is on 14,16,18,7,9,24 and the shield

		mouse port:	pin 1 is ground, pin 2 is 5v

		keyboard:	pin 1 is ground, pin 4 is 5v

		floppy port:	pin 1 is ground, pin 11 is 5v

	serial ports (modem,printer):

		DB9:	 	port 1 and 2 (5v)
		miniDIN8:	nope, can'd do (it does output handshake)
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SE-30 logic board, where? how much?
From: hagberg@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (HAGBERG JR, D. J.)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 23:10 MST  
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <OH.92Nov8174218@himalaya.cc.gatech.edu>, oh@cc.gatech.edu (Yong-Chul Oh) writes...
> 
>After I got burning smell, I turned off the it immediately.
>However, a SE-30 never boots again. It open a bright small checkered
>screen, but neither startup bong nor desktop screen. One guy suggested
>to check a logic board. Where can I get a SE-30 logic board?
>Even if just one chip was burned out, do I have to change an entire board?
>--

This month's MacUser lists a few shops that do component-level repairs.  
Note that all "Authorized Mac Techs" only seem to do board swaps 
though, and realistically, this is something most moderately capable 
college students can do as long as they ground themselves.  A good 
place to buy used mac parts is Shreve Systems, though in a message last
month someone said they had a problem with a monitor from Shreve...


Good luck.
			-=- D. J. Hagberg
			-=- hagberg@ccit.arizona.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Rick_McCormack@mindlink.bc.ca (Rick McCormack)
Subject: Re: Troubles with a MacSE
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:02:43 GMT

How much memory have you got in the SE? (Drive manufacturer claims problem
may be that SE is ready to go before hard drive reaches functional speed,
hence the hard drive is not recognized--maufacturer is sending user an init
to cause SE's bootup time to be extended, thus giving HD time to get up to
speed.)

If you have more than 2.5 megs of memory, that must be one sllloowwww
drive--most SE's I've seen with 4 meg of memory could give a glacier time to
get on-line before they finish POST (Power-On Self-Test).
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From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Could be a vx's mem-manager problem?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:59:20 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <glm1psa@rpi.edu>, simsh@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Chewbacca) wrote:
> noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes:
> >This was never distributed on purpose -- it got out unintentionally.  Due
> >to the problems Brian mentioned people were recommended strongly to get rid
> >of it!
> 
> Waitaminute. I got an INIT called MMInit. Is this the thing you're talking
> about? I remember the README file said it was supposed to fix a bug in the ROMs
> of a bunch of computers (including the si-mine). It seems kind of recent.
> There are color icons in it, but I can't be sure of the date. Is it bad to
> have? I haven't noticed any problems and have had it for several weeks. Have
> the problems been fixed in the system software?

The one I'm talking about, which I believe was called MMInit, goes back to
at least January '91:

"Recently, an unofficial version of the memory manager INIT has surfaced.
This INIT should NOT be used as it has been modified from Apple's
experimental version which could cause data corruption, data loss and
crashes. Apple strongly urges that you throw away the INIT and not use it."

I'm not aware of anything released by Apple, so I imagine you have the same
thing.

noah

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noah@apple.com                                 Macintosh Hardware Design
...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah   (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: mac plus for sale
From: Timothy M. Weinstein <TMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:26:45 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I have a Mac Plus for sale.  It has four megs of memory, a 20 meg
hard-drive, and an extended keyboard.  The mouse is new and I just
overhauled the computer including a new power supply.  I would like to get
$500 for the system.  Reply by E-mail.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dgulbran@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: Shakey Apple Monitors....
Reply-To: dgulbran@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:49:01 GMT

Another problem with monitors, if this topic has already been addressed in  
postings, please forward that info to me via e-mail. Thank you very much!

The problem is with a shakey image on Apple's 13 Monitor. The image is  
shakey, almost to the point of giving you a headache sometimes. There does  
not appear to be any magnetic cause, or other environmental cause. The  
machines are in a cluster, and only some are affected, and those appear to  
be random. Anyone else had this problem? Is it a problem with the  
monitors? Thanks in advance...


			-Dave

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