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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.210953.17643@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>
>
>	I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
>	pierced in order to give yourself a strong enough sense of identity
>	to allow you to feel you are not a part of some vaguely defined
>	group of persons that you seem to find unappealing?

Because I don't like being though of as just another computer geek.
It's not the only reason I've got piercings, but it's one of 'em.

>	Lighten up a bit.   You don't have to understand it.  If it made her
>	happy and she hurt no one in the process, why not just be happy for
>	her enjoyment?  Or do you really feel that getting your pecker
>	ventilated is somehow a superior act to piercing a lowly ear?

I _thought_ I went out of my way to make it clear that I was
NOT making any claims of superiority, just looking for information.
(and I got lots of it, thanks again to everyone who replied)
Are you having a reading comprehension problem, or just looking
for someone to flame?  If it's the former, please read the posts
that you're responding to.  If it's the latter, we should take it
to alt.flame where I will roast you like Peking Duck.



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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: funny tattoos
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:50:36 GMT
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <17tlk7INN56d@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - USCS Vendor Management) writes:
>>In article <17sbafINN2ka@cs.utexas.edu> russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>>>A couple weeks ago I saw a woman with the Disney character The Little
>>>Mermaid tattooed on the inside of her ankle.
>>Aw, geez, *I* was gonna get that. But I guess it's too trendy now.
>	Nah, it's ok, as long as you do her with the shells gone
>	and rings in her little fishy nipples, it's fine...

Off to the drawing board!




     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Sex and stuff
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:30:16 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart

dammit i need money...
anyone want to start a fundraiser so i can get some jewelry/tattoing done?
:)

(yeah like once i get my next two planned piercings done, i wont
want more, and then need more money... and yeah right, im going
to only get ONE tattoo)

anyhow...

i really want to get my dick pierced and i think its for what some
people might think are all the wrong reasons, but then again who cares
the two main things i want out of the piercing are:

A) increased sexual pleasure for my partner, if possible
(im talking about physically induced pleasure,
not from the fact that they get turned on by pierced puds)

B) being able to pee standing up
:)
im sorry, but the only thing that really makes being a man 
worthwhile is the fact that i can take a piss while standing
i know, it seems pretty esoteric and whatever, but hey
i am, so...

i wanted to get two dydoe thingies, but the main thing that held me
back was that i am already VERY sensitive right there and i really
dont need anything that will make it more so
otherwise my duration will last about 10 secs in bed
and while that would be great if we werent in bed but in some
place where we just wanted to get it on fast...
i just.. no.

i also dont think i want a PA, just cuz
i dont know why, but i want a barbell going through it or something

sooooooo....
to make a long story stop,
what piercings are there that are done to penises that dont
really enhance the male sexual feeling that much, but 
can enhance it for the female???
and dont cause you to piss all over the place :)
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From: wright@reach.enet.dec.com (Clark Wright)
Subject: Re: Gauntlet NYC
Reply-To: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com
Organization: Depravity Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:27:40 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.162225.25780@news.ysu.edu>, doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
|>My only gripe: I feel they sized the ring too big (I've heard this com-
|>plaint by others as well).  A 1/2" ring would have been more appropriate
|>for me than a 3/4" ring... it wouldn't have gotten hooked on my underwear
|>so often, and I feel more comfortable wearing a condom with the smaller
|>one.
|>
|>Incidentally, it's not a bad trip at all from Allentown... I was there
|>when I headed up to NYC (park at Newark airport and take a shuttle in).
|>--

Doug -

From my experience with the various gauntlets, and with healing peircings
with various size rings in them:

1/ The gauntlet folks tend to be of the mind "Big is better" for jewelry size
 (but not necessarily guage) 

2. the larger the ring is (up to a point for a given gauge) the easier it is
to clean and manipulate to keep the pierce clean and healing well.  Once its 
healed, a smaller ring might/probably is appropriate, but that smaller ring
in originally could make be harder to manipulate and rotate...

3. There is no set rule on how big a ring should be for a new peirce, therefore
the peircer is giving you his/her advice based on personal experience and 
preference (See 1 and 2)

grins,

clark.

ps - great .sig...
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From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: So what's wrong with rituals?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:06:40 GMT

ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

>>I might also point out that in most of the cultures where
>>these things originated, *all* piercings and tattooings are done
>>in a ritual context.  Usually to do with rites of passage,
>>acquiring mystic powers, celebrating completion of some trial,
>>etc.  We're the weird ones.  We don't put emotional investment
>>into our actions in the way tribal peoples do.  Maybe it's too
>>threatening.

>Yea, but notice that most tribal peoples will assimilate
>nearly all of the 'white mans' culture when they're exposed
>to it fully.  It's only after being competely part of
>the non-tribal, consume-till-you-drop culture that
>we appreciate the advantages of tribal culture...

Not universally.  Many traditional Native Americans participate
in the Euro-American culture only to the extent of which they feel
that they need to to survive.  Guns, cloth, gold, alcohol were
the most immediate parts of white culture that were assimilated,
but the oral-tradition and spiritual elements of the Tribal culture
had to be beaten out (literally, in the case of most Indian missions)
of the culture.  Missionaries rebuked the Indians as heathens when
they performed the ear-slitting and tattooing they'd always done, and
made the Western religion very important through means of economic
and culture disadvantages, for which the religion is often a very
attractive solace.

Arlen
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From: lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. Galore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: We live among barbarians.
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:32:25 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

I rarely catch any flack about my nipple piercing, but when I do I have
something to say.  If someones asks why I'd want to do "that" to my body
I say, "Is it really so odd?  Is it so odd for a consenting adult to have a 
ring put through their flesh in a society which practices the mutilation of infants' genitals? (circumcision)"

Talk about modern primitivism. 

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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:01:33 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Charnel House

zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
: In article <ovp9bgs@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
: >They fade to a bluish black.  Blackwork never stays truly black. 
:
:after how many years are you talking? after one year all my black work is still
:black, not jet black like it the new outline currently is, but black. I have
:seen large (6" X 6" sections of black) on sleeves that are apparently 7 years 
:old and they are still black.

Yeah, my oldest one is about three years old now and is still relatively
black.  Sure, there are spots which are lighter and spots which are
darker, but Freddy is pretty damn even for the most part.


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From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:12:39 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1613@anagld.analytics.com> bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman) writes:

>When I say "blue black" I mean the finished black color... It has a bluish
>hue that comes from having skin over the black pigment...

Maybe it's because I have such fair skin, which is one of the reasons
that my skin holds colored tattoos so well, but there is absolutly nothing
even remotly resembeling blue about my black tattoo or the black outlines
of my 4 other tattoo's.

>I find it hard to believe that your entire blackwork piece was filled with
>a single needle... It might have been done with an outliner.  However,
>if you had the entire side of your calf filled in a single needle, it would
>have taken significantly longer than "a few extra hours".  Realize that most
>tattoo outlines are done with a five point needle.

I don't think single line means single needle.  It was all done with the
outline needles.  I beleive that that has two needles in that but I'm 
not sure.  However many needles are in it they call it "single line".
I didn't call it that Charlie & Sandy at Great Southern Tattoo here in
Maryland did.  The tattoo is a large rose with the stem going down 
through a melting skull.  I didn't pick it out because it was single
line or anything just because I liked it and it related to a lot of
things in my life and well represented a time in my life that I stronly
wanted to remember even if for some reason things in my life changed.
In fact, it's the tattoo I have that was picked off of a wall except
my first tattoo which was a little rose that I got when I was in high
school and had never been in a tattoo shop before.

See Ya!
Brad

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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:51:38 GMT
Reply-To: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <9208280309.AA25154@moeng2.morgan.edu> glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
>I may decide one day to go down to the shopping mall and get
>my ears pierced.  No fancy ritual...

Going down to the mall and getting punched *is* a ritual.  And
what's more, it a ritual which is actually part of our culture...
unlike getting nekkid with drums.

>Y'know, now that I think more on it, perhaps ifwhen I do
>get pierced, it _should_ be in a ritual setting...

Yeah, but don't accept someone else's definition of what a 
"ritual setting" is.  My second ear pierce I got in this 
restaurant/bar in New Orleans where they give you a shot
of Jaegermeister, a shot of Schnapps, and a gigantic glass
of champagne (with a straw).  You down the shots, and while
you're sucking on the champage, they pierce your ear.
Felt like a ritual to me, it just wasn't dressed up in a 
lot of neo-primitive foofoo.


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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Gauntlet NYC
Keywords: attitude, ga size
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:47:38 GMT

In article <4lpy#6a@rpi.edu> speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes:
>
>When I had my nipple done there, they weren't necessarily
>egotistical, but extremely cold and "professional."  

	Oh yes, THIS I definitely got, but I did not take it as being 
	unfriendly or snottish or anything like that.  Besides, I was there
	the get my navel pierced, not have them hold my hand.  They were very
	friendly and very professional.  They just did not engage in too much
	small talk, which considering that I greatly prefer that their
	concentration be spot on whilst plungng needles through my flesh,
	I was not bothered at all.
	

>This
>was somewhat impressive in light of my expectations for
>the place, but the experience would probably mean more if
>Dan, the piercer, had been more personal and friendly.  It
>was hardly different from getting a driver's license or a
>new set of tires.

	I don't know... again I'd rather this than to have them blubbering 
	about how they pierced their Aunt Tilly's clit while driving a needle
	through my eyeball.  And besides, after you have done several thousand
	of these things, I'm not so sure it does not lose a bit of its
	excitement... not that that should matter...
>
>My big complaint with Gauntlet NYC is their prices:  My
>nipple piercing cost $15 more than a friend of mine paid
>at Gauntlet in San Francisco.  Their location is bound to
>mean high overhead costs, and they've spent quite a bit
>to create that professional look, but nearly Twice the
>charge for a piercing?  Next time, I'll wait for Raelynn
>or sacrifice the accuracy for the more personal experience
>of being pierced by someone who's more interested in my
>situation.

	Yeah, $87 for the pierce and the ring... I thought this was a bit
	excessive myself.  From this point on I'll be making all my own
	adornments.  All those years as a model maker in the jewelry biz
	can't be allowed to go to waste, after all :).

	-Andy V.
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Gauntlet NYC
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:56:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.



How good is NYC gauntlet?  Well, Mark (the short blond guy... Well,
he dyes his hair) is good.  He has been piercing for several years (and
frankly, does a better job than, say, fakir...)  I am not sure who
they have piercing who they did not import from another store, but
the people I know there are all good...


Jeff
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 18:46:40 EDT
From: <JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: RE: QC's

To the woman who asked about replacing her vertical QC--I'm answering  here,
as my system "refreshed" the files before I could get your node to reply
directly...

The ideal ring size, I believe, depends on how you're built.  According to
the woman who put in my (horizontal) QC, it all depends on how much clit
hood you have and how far back the ring is in relation to your clit.  The
idea, according to her. is to have the bead on the ring hit the clit
part of the time, or be near it when the hood is in the nonaroused position.
This, I suppose, would almost mandate a horizontal placement.

As far as sensation goes--I was hypersensitive for about 2 weeks, then it
was business as usual.  I have found my QC a great asset for those of us
temporarily forced into a "solo" sex life, and a BLAST for oral sex (which,
unfortunatley, I have had only one isolated "test run" for, but that story
belongs in alt.sex.stories  ;)  ).  As far as actual healing time is concerned,
mine stopped bleeding after one day and I walked around San Francisco in normal
jeans for 10 days after getting it with no complications.

I'm sorry to hear your last QC wasn't placed properly.  Good luck finding
a better piercer next time.  Let me/all of us on the net know how you like
the replacement!!

---JLR
From: jpe1@PL122b.cc.lehigh.edu (John.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Gauntlet NYC
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:56:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Rebel Computer Users

I suspect that this has been covered before, but I just regained net access
after a 6 month hiatus.  
How good are the people at Gauntlet NYC?  I've not heard much, but everything
I have heard has been slightly to fairly negative.  A friend had both nipples
done there and one was a real mess and the other was not good.  The comments
from others have generally been vague, along the lines of "oh, they don't
do good work there." or "there are better places to go." (though the people
who have said the latter didn't elaborate as to who/where would be better)
I figure this is the best place to get the real story.

Thanks,
John.
From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Fishy Little Nipples (Was  Re: funny tattoos)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:42:07 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
> In article <17tlk7INN56d@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - [Me] ) writes:
> >
> >	Nah, it's ok, as long as you do her with the shells gone
> >	and rings in her little fishy nipples, it's fine...
> 
> 	'ya know, ever since I wrote this, I've been unable to
> 	get the phrase 'Fishy Little Nipples' out of my head.
> 
> 	I dunno why, or what it really means... But it just won't
> 	go away....

I've got the same problem, but with the Frank Zappa tune
called _Frogs With Dirty Little Lips_. ;-)

Andy
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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Date: 27 Aug 1992 18:57:55 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Distribution: world
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com


In article <p13jq3g@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>
>I just had a black (and shading thereof) phrenology head tattooed on my
>leg (by Filip Leu... I recommend him)


	Yeah, I just saw that tattoo. It's fucking awesome. I'm 
	totally impressed.

	Jeff, how long is he gonna be here? Is he gone already?

	Do you have any info on how to contact him in Switzerland
	(Or whereeverthefuck he's from)? My next major trip is 
	gonna be in that direction (Amsterdam, Germany, etc), and
	I'd *like* to get tattooed over there; so I'm collecting
	info on tattooists... (I think that trip's at least a year
	away, so it's not like it's a rush or anything...)


>  One of my coworkers said "ooh, I like
>the red and yellow shading in there."  To which I responded "the black is 
>the tattoo, the rest of the colors are me."  She looked rather embarassed.

	Yeah, that's pretty funny. I've had that same reaction; 
	"Uh... That's an interesting color... WHy's you do it all
	pinky-purple?"


		-Karl




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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - USCS Vendor Management)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: funny tattoos
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:41:27 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <la3cphINNk7d@male.EBay.Sun.COM> barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>In article <17sbafINN2ka@cs.utexas.edu> russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>>A couple weeks ago I saw a woman with the Disney character The Little
>>Mermaid tattooed on the inside of her ankle.
>>
>
>Aw, geez, *I* was gonna get that. But I guess it's too trendy now.


	Nah, it's ok, as long as you do her with the shells gone
	and rings in her little fishy nipples, it's fine...


			-Karl(Exile from the Todd List)MacRae




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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Going to the dentist
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:45:05 GMT

well i finally went to the dentist to get my wisdom teeth pulled out

the Gauntlet folk scared me a bit on their advice cuz it changed
a couple of times depending on when i called
but i finally just got a tapered insertion tool
that will be cool to have around in case i go to interviews or
stuff like that where i wouldnt want to have it in for a couple hours

as far as the dentist goes...

moi: My tongue is pierced, is that a problem?

dentist: What?

i stick out my tongue

d: Why did you do that? Im just curious (in a very nice tone)

m: oh i dont know.. 

d: well from the point of view of an oral surgeon i can say
that you really shoulnt do that for 3 reasons ... blah blah blah

his 3 reasons were that i could bleed a lot which i didnt
i could get scar tissue and that could cause infections
i probably have scar tissue but no infections i know of
and that i could swallow it at nite while sleeping
and i would probably die... well maybe not probably
but it could happen 
ive noticed that when it comes unscrewed at nite, it just sits
under my tongue until morning, but it has only done this twice

but the big problem for me was that he seemed to be emotionally
upset at the sight or whatever of it and his hands started
shaking as he was talking to me...
not very calming to see a guy's hands shaking right before
he sticks a knife in your mouth

when the nurse gave me back the barbell, she said to wait
a day before putting it back in...

that scared me too...
uninformed people making decisions like that...
thank goodness for self-education

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