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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Phil Not Bound By US Court Injunction
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:40:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- President Fidel Ramos said Monday the
Philippines was not bound by a U.S. court injunction barring the
transfer from Swiss banks to Manila of $356 million of Ferdinand
Marcos's allegedly ill-gotten wealth.
	``The Philippines is not bound by that because our position has
always been...that that money is public money,'' Ramos told reporters. 
``It belongs to the people at large to be administered by the
government.''
	Lawyers for former first lady Imelda Marcos said Monday Honolulu
District Judge Manuel Real signed an injunction Nov. 16 prohibiting
transfer of the money until claims by victims of human rights abuses
under Marcos were settled.
	The ruling followed a September decision of a Honolulu jury that the
Marcos estate was liable for abuses against an estimated 10,000 victims
during the late dictator's rule.
	Separate trials are scheduled in January to determine the amount of
damages to be paid to each victim.
	The Marcoses were believed to have looted some $5 billion from the
Philippines before they were chased from 20 years of rule in a 1986
popular revolt.
	But Manila has maintained the allegedly ill-gotten wealth belongs to
the government, not the Marcos estate or those with claims against it.
	Mrs. Marcos and government lawyers reached preliminary agreement
recently to transfer $356 million of that allegedly ill-gotten fortune
from Swiss banks to the Philippines.
	The money would be held in escrow by the Philippine Central Bank and
awarded to the party the courts decided was the rightful owner.
	Ferdinand Marcos died in Hawaii in exile in 1989. His widow returned
to the Philippines in November 1991 and faces dozens of charges tied to
the family's alleged looting of the country.
From: atienzam@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: KAMUSTA KAYO!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:15:17 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

In article <1dvd9gINN4e0@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, marvin@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Romeo Ancheta) writes:
> mga kababayan ko,
>    ito po ang aking unang pag lathala sa ating neto. ako po ay isang nalulumbay na kababayan ninyo dito sa america , nasabi kong nalulumbay dahil ako'y mag aa-
> nim na taon na dito at hindi pa rin nakakabalik ni minsan sa ating bayan.
>    ako'y maraming barkada at kaibigan sa atin,at kung sino man ang makakabasa n
> ng aking lathala na kakilala maari bang ako'y inyong sagutin o dili kaya ako'y inyong balitaan ng mga progreso sa ating bayan at mga kaibigan.
>
	Ako rin ay matagal hindi nakakauwi sa Pilipinas(9 yrs), at 
nakakalimutan ko na nga na magsalita ng tagalog kaya minsan ingles na
lang ang sinasabi ko sa bahay..........I WANT TO GO HOME.
From: U52892@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Filipino proverbs
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:51:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92323.165113U52892
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Talking about stereotypes, I figured a lot of Filipino proverbs
emphasize some Filipino values.
Here are some examples:
1. Kapag maiksi and kumot
   Magtiis mamaluktot
       .....talks about one's endurance, patience and resilience
       (Now I know why the Philippines suffered from 300 years
        of Spanish rule, 40? years of American rule and 20 years
        of Marcos rule)

 2. Ang taong walang tiyaga
    Walang nilaga

       ....again, patience

     There are other proverbs I can remember but can't understand what it
meant.
1. Tulak ng bibig, kabig ng dibdib
2. Ang hindi tumingin sa pinangalingan
   di makakarating sa paroroonan

Can you still remember other proverbs which reflects Filipino
values ---positive or negative?
From: spacl@cscnx10 (Spacek L A)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: please, all czech or slov
Keywords: nonsense
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:09:12 GMT
Distribution: soc

In article <1992Nov14.3746.785@dosgate> kaca.henlez@canrem.com (kaca henlez)  
writes:
> Did you notice,  the long word (which means east central european)
> -> What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase "RUSSIAN AND
> -> EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Czech, Slovak, or any other local

This will sound bad in any language, as would Eastwest European, Northsouth
European, and other such nonsense.

Btw, Eastern Europe used to start at Cheb (a Czech town on about the same
eastern longitude as Munich). Now, it seems, it starts at the Urals. Isn't  
geography interesting?
--
Libor Spacek, Computer Science, University of Essex, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: Jeff Wishnie <jwishnie@taligent.com>
Subject: Czech Teacher in the SF Bay Area
X-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:04:40 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Distribution: CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:10 GMT

A while back I posted a message asking for the names of Czech teachers in
the Dan Francisco Bay Area. 

Since then I have found a teacher and have begun classes. 

She is willing to take on additional student. If you live in the Bay Area
and are interested in studying Czech, you may want to call:

Vera Henzl, PhD
Division of Language Arts, Foothill College
(415) 960-4250

I believe she also teaches at Stanford from time to time.

Jeff Wishnie
jwishnie@taligent.com
From: pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Pavel Zivny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: info about moonies in czecho-slovakia needed
Summary: need into about help with an moonie de-programming
Keywords: Reverend Sun Moon; moonies; cards (?); deprogramming
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: pavelz@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	Hi,
	I had a friend from CSR visiting here in the U.S., now he is
    in California - soon to return to CSR.  And I am finding out that he
    got caught by moonies - now he's in a brainwashing camp !

	Fortunately for him, his visa (J visa) is expiring shortly and
    he will have to return to CSR;  I believe it's impossible for him
    (or for the moonies) to get his visa extended.

	(By the way, anybody heard otherwise, about J visa ?, or,
    anybody heard about moonies keeping people in spite of the 
    fact that their visa would expire - in recent years with
    tougher anti-imigration laws ?)

	Anyway, so my friend will return to CSR and will no doubt be 
    instructed to contact local moonies !  So I need info about any 
    literature (in czech) for his friends and parents, about where
    the moonies are, if there are any deprogrammers, support groups or 
    whatever.

	I think that the first problem will be to make his friends
    and parents to take this seriously - before it's too late !

    (And I thought that moonies are about gone ... you never hear about them 
    here in Oregon ...)

	One would think that people from former East block would be
    the hardest sell for the moonies, with years of experience about
    how to resists doctrines, but it looks like they are, for some reason,
    almost the easiest targets ... how awfull.

	thanks for any help !
				Pavel

				  Pavel R. Zivny

	email			   work phone			M.S.
pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM	 (503) 627-4755, or -2316 	47-786
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon
(...!tektronix!tekeda.pen.com!pavelz)    [UUCP]
From: G.Matas@ee.surrey.ac.uk (George Matas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: please, all czech or slov
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:24:35 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

|> -> What is needed is this: can you translate the phrase "RUSSIAN AND
|> -> EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN STUDIES" into Czech, Slovak, or any other local
    I suggest you change the name. EAST and CENTRAL sounds OK., but I think
there is nothing like EAST CENTRAL EUROPE.
The word "vychodostredoevropska" sound at least unusual if not funny.


 Jirka
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g.matas@ee.surrey.ac.uk            |  Guildford, Surrey GU2 5XH, UK
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:32:14 EST
From: <JXP121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Somebody help

A friend of mine is trying to trace his roots  back to Slovakia, and the
only name place he's got is a town called Presov (Preshov). He needs tp know
the zip code for the town (doesn't look too big) and also whether this is
]still Czechoslovakia, Slovakia or whatever the official designation.
Anybody can help w/anything? E-mail me if you can. Janusz.
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: kn the movie Roja..
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:06:09 GMT

In article <kat.721501846@crusher> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <1992Nov10.003850.12469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>>So let us not preach the Srilankan Tamils or the Kashmiris about what they
>>should do when we know next to nothing about their real problems.
>
>
>>S. Sankarapandi
>>ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>
>  sariyaakach sonneerkaL:
>
>         pOli thEsapatRu pEsi koNdu
>         poi mitha vaatha roopathil-ilankai
>         pOi appavi thamizharai kondRa
>         pEi kaL thaan Gandhia vaathikaL.
>   
>        Kathiravan
>
>

Agreed. But I see you alwqays talking about the past namely IPKF.
Agreed that IPKF did commit crime. Its over. Lets try to correct
our mistakes rather than always criticising it.

"thavaRu enpathu thavaRich cheivathu    
 thappu enpathu therinNthuch cheivathu
 thavaRu seithavan thirunNthap paarkanum
 thapppu seithavan varnNthi yaakanum"

anpudan,

kumar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Women... A Selfish, Narrow-minded Breed? (Ask Cho)
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:18:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.204452.26872@cs.odu.edu> raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.180852.11862@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <19077.2b0a3d11@ecs.umass.edu>, vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>>
>>> - Cho
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't think so, Cho had been opposing V.P Singh a lot earlier than
>>the Mandal Commision was even considered. Anybody who is a regular reader 
>>of Thuqlak would know this. Or else check the old issues.
>>
>>- Arun.
>>
>
> As a regular reader of Thuklak for many years( From the very first edition),
>I want to say something. He criticise everybody and  store it for future use.
>Besides there is no point in criticising bramin community now which is already
>suffering from many bottle necks. He says that it is right and and in no way 
>affects his integrity. Many of his articles will serve only one purpose.
>He is earning lot of money .  He was vehemently opposing Rajiv but supported
>his dealing with eelam issue. He published that eelam tamils are saying
>that political parties in tamil nadu are sub standard. He published articles
>that eelam tamils ill treat estate tamils. In other words he took extra 
>efforts to divide the tamils. 
>

BTW, do you think that tamils are united ?? If so, then I feel
sorry for you. One of the biggest drawbacks of tamils is UNITY.

Cheers,

V R Kumar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: kalai vizha-Ottawa
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:55:03 GMT

      anaparkaLE!

    The kalai vizha in Ottawa was a grand success. isai vEnthan raaja
padmakanth's songs with Dr  Ramachandran-flute, gajinder-tabla, udayakumaaran-
mirudangam and siva sOdhi-keyboard were well received. The Hall was filled
with audience.

(kalviyaa! selvamaa! veeramaa!)  patti manRam-was organized very well with speakers like Dr. ramaNan from
rochester and Mr dhanapaalasingham who arrived from srilanka recently.
dhanapaalasingham and kathiravan were on the veeram side of the show.
Dr S. RamaNan-Mr Dushyanthan talked for kalvi.
Dr S Murthi-iLampooraNan for selvam. dhanapaalasingham was the
star of the program.

     Mr Ramakrishnan of Sri RAMAKRISHNA STEEL from COIMBATORE, presided
and has donated Rs25,000.00 worth of books to a tamizh library here
in OTTAWA.  
    children's naatiyam performance was delightful. all the six kids
were under 8, but were too good to beleive.

idai-vELai-interval. We had some good snacks.

  every minute of the nagaich suvai-fun programme organized by carleton-ottawa student's
tamizh organisation was funfilled. The programme was about an alien
from somewhere brought by an agent to tamizh land to cure problems. This
alien, his agents and a father with 5 trouble some kids were the characters
in the show.

   The final program was light music. The singers were Mr Dushyanthan (sinna
maamiyE),
Mr sOdhinaathan (kuyilap pudichchu), Mr Srinivaas (kaNNE kalai maanE), Mr aananthan (pachchai malap poovu). We also had Miss Subha ramaNan from Montreal.
She is professional singer. Her yamunai aaRilE song was the best song of
the day.

   We went over the estimated 4.00 hrs. 2-6pm. The program was over around
7.15 pm.


    I  read a puthukkavithai:

     "veNpani kootangaL pOlE
      maNdapaththai niRainthuvitta makkaL kootam
      Ottawa maanagarE kaaNaatha inthak kootam
      theenthamizh amizhthuNNa vantha thEni
      pazhuthillai tamizhini vaazhum kaaNeer

      muthamizh kaaththa moovEnthar ingkillai
      saththaaka thamizhannai thalai nimirindhu vaazhuthaRku
      saakaatha kaapiyangkaL samaitha pulavarillai
      thaRaniyellam pugazh maNakkum
      thamizh perumai saaRRa nalla paraNikalaip paaduthaRku
      munnavarai izhanthu vittu -thamizh
      annai padum thuyar kOdi
      TAMIZH SETHTHU MADIYUTHENDRU NITHAM ORU SETHI VARUM  
      senthamizhar senneeril poomi achchu suththuthendRu
      kaathukkuL vidam paaichchum sEthikaLai naam aRivOm
      uyirukku nigar antha tamizhendRa paavEnthan
      solliya sollukku poruL koduppOm thiraNdezhuveer!
      tamizh sanga vazhi naganththu tamizhk kalaikaL naam
      valarppOm! 

      nanRi

  Kathiravan
 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:3749 soc.culture.sri-lanka:1298
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: To MF. B. RRS
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:16:39 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <gf2fXsK00WBME6fH4p@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	>They probably get pretty dizzy spinning around on those turntables.  Do you
>>play them at 33 or 45 rpm? 

>No, they are busy firing at 100 rounds per minute(another way of
>interpreting rpm). I thought you knew. And the SL army is busy catching
>up with their rpm.

>Sometimes, the machine on the other side on the other side just cannot
>keep up. So, last Sunday a big 1 round/second got a big shark and 3
>tunas that went with it. The lesser the sharks safer it is for the sting
>rays. 

>-the devil


   Suresh thambi Who is the nameless gfdgdhdjdkdk@jhagagag.gafgafaf?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: kuRaL
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:36:52 GMT

In <fb78.722547220@sol> fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan) writes:

>kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>>Is aathi and pahavan mother and father for all ulagu!

>>      Again if aathi is female; pahavan-male for some
>>stupid reason they can derive pleasure from their
>>ignorance.

>Why should it be "some stupid reason"? After all, there
>is another saying "Annaiyum pithaavum munnari deivam". Why
>can't an interpretation be made that father and mother
>are the starting point for everything? Even an atheist
>can relate to that! - ganesh
>> 
  Here we are not talking whether parents
are God or not or atheism.

 vaLLuvan does not delve into anything personal
in kuRaL. It is for a common man. 
Can all common men can have the same parents?.
So aathi-pahavan, as you say his mum-dad
defies all logic. If somebody gives
a lecture that you say you have attended
we can ask this question.

Kathiravan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:3845 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1176
From: cen466p@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (S. Parthasarhathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: South Indian Movies
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:47:16 +1100
Organization: Dept. of Chem. Engg., Monash University, Australia

In article <2B04A341.9287@news.service.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
> I see an interesting discussion on Tamil movies in SCT. 
> 
> The only director, who, I think, made consistantly good movies is
> Jayakanthan. His movies, 'cila nErangaLil cila manidhargaL', 
> 'unnaip pOl oruvan', 'oru nadigai naadagam paarkkiRaaL, 'karuNai 
> uLLam' etc., made from his stories, stand out distinctly from other
> Tamil movies. 

I am not sure whether Jayakanthan directed any movies. If my memory serves me
right, Bheem Singh (who directed most of Pa series movies of Sivaaji) directed
cila nErangaLil cila manithargaL and oru nadigai naadagam paarkkiRaaL (half way
thro' I think he died and was completed by somebody else. by B. Lenin, his son
may be).  These two movies are in my favourite movie list. Not sure of other
movies ? 

Paarthaa
ChemEngg
From: krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kuRaL
Keywords: aadhi, bhagavan, shiva, parvati
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:07:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	There is a lot of controversy in the tamil literary world
whether `aadhi' and `bhagavan' refer to the parents of tiruvalluvar
or they refer to the cosmic lord Shiva and his wife Parvati. 

	I personally feel that they refer to Shiva and Parvati
because the kural ends like this `..... aadhi bagavan mudhatree
ulagu'. 
	Just as the letters in tamil start from agaram (the alphabet
a), the world begins with the aadhi and bagavan. That is, aadhi and
bhagavan are the prinicipal parents (could also be a metaphor for
the main caretakers of this universe) of this world who exist
even before the beginning of this world.
	The prinicipal parents of this world, whose life  transcends
the beginning of this world are in my opinion Shiva and Parvati. In
all religious texts, they are described as the highest form of
Godliness (which begins from devas, gandharvas etc.). Any other
comments are welcome at krvst+@pitt.edu
-Venkatesh
   

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: kuRaL
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:33:40 GMT

kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>Is aathi and pahavan mother and father for all ulagu!

>      Again if aathi is female; pahavan-male for some
>stupid reason they can derive pleasure from their
>ignorance.

Why should it be "some stupid reason"? After all, there
is another saying "Annaiyum pithaavum munnari deivam". Why
can't an interpretation be made that father and mother
are the starting point for everything? Even an atheist
can relate to that! - ganesh
>  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam......
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:57:16 GMT


thiraippadam   : thiruvarutchelvar

paadalasiriyar : kaviyarasu kaNNathaasan

paadiyavar     : seerkaazhi s kOvinNtharaasan

isai           : thirai isaith thilakam K V Mahadevan

 
irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE

irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE

unnaiyE ninaiththiruppaan uNmaiyai thaan uraippaan
oorukku pakaiyaavaan NYaanath thaNGkamE
avan oozhninai enna sollvEn NYaanath thaNGkgamE NYaanath thaNGkamE

irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE

nNYchinai neNYchil vaiththu naavinil anbu vaiththu
nallavan pol nadippaan NYaanath thaNGkamE
avan naatakam enna sollvEn NYaanath thaNGkamE NYaanath thaNGkamE

irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE

thoNtukkenRE alaivaan kElikku aaLaavaan
kaNdu koLvaai avanai NYaanath thaNGkamE
avan katavuLil paathi adi NYaanath thaNGkamE NYaanath thaNGkamE

irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE

piLLaiyai killi vittu thottilai aatti vittu
thaLLi ninRE sirippaan NYaanath thaNGkamE
avan thaan tharaniyai padaiththaaNdi NYaanath thaNGKamE  
                                     NYaanath thaNGkamE

irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thEdi
eNGkeNGkOe alaikinRaar NYaanath thaNGkamE
avar Ethum aRiyaaradi NYaanath thaNGkamE


anpudan,

V R Kumar
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