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From: stophe@unlv.edu (Christopher Massa)
Subject: Little Umbrellas
Organization: UNLV
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:36:54 GMT

I'm a relatively new Zappa fan, and I can't get enough of the songs
Little Umbrellas/Hot Rats, Waka-Jawaka/Waka-Jawaka, and Cleetus Awreetus-
Alrightus/The Grand Wazoo.  I'd like to know if there are more 
songs/albums by Zappa that I should look at, and any songs buy any other 
artist that feature that sound.  Also, I would like someone much
more knowledgeable than me to tell me what kind of music theory that
Frank employs on Little Umbrellas.

Thanks,
Chris

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: petrop@vccsouth17.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli)
Subject: Beat The Boots!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:45:03 GMT

Hey folks, I have been a FZ fan for quite some time now, and have most of his 
stuff on cd.  I am interested in what the quality of the Beat the Boots 
collection is like.  I am especially interested in the one that has Vinnie
Colaiuta on it (can't remember title).  The YCDTOSA series contains some of
my favorite Zappa live stuff...  How does the Beat the Boots series compare?
I have a couple of bootlegs from other bands, and some, after spending $25 for 
a single record, have that annoying condenser mic-like quality.  That really 
sucks, and I'd HATE to buy cds that sound like that.
Can anyone offer opinions???  They are greatly appreciated!

Phil
petrop@rpi.edu
From: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu (Charlie's enormous mouth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Beat The Boots!
Date: 14 Apr 1992 00:21:48 UTC
Reply-To: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

petrop@vccsouth17.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli) Zappificates:
>Hey folks, I have been a FZ fan for quite some time now, and have most of his 
>stuff on cd.  I am interested in what the quality of the Beat the Boots 
>collection is like.

I have one of them - "Freaks and Mother@#$#@," and it's terrible.  The only
remotely decent thing about it is a good version of Call Any Vegetable... but
I've only listened to the whole thing once because the sound drops out so many
times a minute that I just turn it off.

>The YCDTOSA series contains some of
>my favorite Zappa live stuff...  How does the Beat the Boots series compare?

If what I have is any indication, they don't.

>I have a couple of bootlegs from other bands, and some, after spending $25 for 
>a single record, have that annoying condenser mic-like quality.  That really 
>sucks, and I'd HATE to buy cds that sound like that.

Don't bother then.  The sound quality on mine is one of the worst of ANY cd
I've ever heard.  In other words, bootleg quality.  Some people can deal with
that.  I can't.  Stick with YCDTOSA.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Thorn / mthorn@madvax.uop.edu 
"Colonel Sanders wants to goose Granny's loose caboose
 He's gonna give her a boost with that Kentucky fried juice"
					--Mr. Bungle
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: djmola@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Daniel J. Mola)
Subject: Grand Wazoo Gif...
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:50:16 GMT



Hi, I originally received the Grand Wazoo gif from the net, but I wound
up getting rid of it by accident. Would the person who posted it
consider reposting it??? I would really appreciate it.... Thanks...

-Danny  
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From: natola@coos.dartmouth.edu (Mark A. Natola)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: How do I print/display the GIF files on a PC
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:00:37 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth Medical School, Section of Neurology

As a new user of this system, I need information to help me display and 
print the Baby Snakes and Grand Wazoo data files on a PC.  Can anybody help 
me?  

Thanks...

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Keywords: audio, video, clockwork_orange 
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton OR & Milpitas CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:12:38 GMT

	I've had good luck with the "Does Humor Belong In Music" video.
	After seeing that, some subjects have responded well to other
	audio-only stimulus.

-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
    Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and...
                      [Stop Continental Drift!]
From: tford@madvax.uop.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Date: 14 Apr 1992 23:34:19 UTC
Reply-To: tford@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

When I moved away to college I found that the University of the Pacific was 
quite conservative and there were relatively NO Zappa fans.  So I thought that it was necessary to sway some of my fraternity brothers into the Zappa scene.
It was quite difficult at first, with replies like, "It's too crazy or weird
to listen to unless you are on some psychadelic."  Finally, I discovered another bro that likes Frank, who is now working with Steve Vai, and he introduced 
me to Joe's Garage.  So now I use Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation, The BEst Band
and Hot Rats, and it works. Although they will never be too hardcore, at 
least they have heard some of Frank's best.  
	It is very important to remember that people have a variety of musical
interests.  Therefore, it seems a waste of time to try to introduce Bobby
Brown fans, or Anthranx headbangers to Frank without some sort of retaliation.
Just thought I would put my 2 cents in.

Ed.
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: river of shit (what album is that on?)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:02:19 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Apr15.015432.23683@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> francisr@indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes:

>I was talking to one of my old Profs. the other day and we were talking about  
>FZ.  He started singing, "River of shit...".  I don't know that one.  What  
>album is it on?  I've got 60+ albums, but I don't have whatever this one is on.


This song is not a Frank Zappa song.

It is by The Fugs, and the song is called "Wide Wide River"

I have a vinyl compilation album of sorts that has some stuff from Uncle
Meat and also some of this stuff by The Fugs.

I have no clue as to the current availability of this and the other fine
tracks on that album.

This is the origin of the legendary teen-age haiku contest:

Do not tell me
I am source of your knock-up
The mud elephant, wading through the sea
Leaves no tracks

It is well worth having.


-- 
     / \      Reverend fnord   	             | "King Kong died for your sins!"
    /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
   / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
  /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"
From: alex@coos.dartmouth.edu (Alex Hartov)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: zappa terminology
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:23:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr7.013123.7315@lip.ens-lyon.fr> calvayra@cepe.UUCP (Florent Calvayrac) writes:
>
>
>a propos de Frank Zappa, faut-il blamer 
>
>1)la perversite 
>
>2) les longues moustaches?

Blamer quoi?

T'as un probleme avec Zappa?
Salut.
From: jamesmc@ut-emx.uucp (James McCartney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: FZ Cover List
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:21:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <sdr9iZe00UhWQ3dYRC@andrew.cmu.edu> kt12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenichiro Tanaka) writes:
>"In-A-Gadda-Davida" riff.  (WTF does that mean anyway?)

    I always thought it was a flubbered up version of "in the garden of eden".
  --- james mccartney
From: proteusi@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Proteus IV)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Rolling Stone
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:40:36 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

I seem to recall that they did a review of Jazz From Hell.
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Grand Wazoo Gif...
Date: 13 Apr 1992 10:03:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


	You can find this gif via ftp at cs.uwp.edu in 
/pub/music/gifs/zappa.frank.  There is one file there I would not 
bother trying to download.  The file "frankzap.gif" did not
work with my viewer.

/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\
\  Rob Sweet                         |                                /
/  University of Southern California |  "Who are the brain police?"   \       
\  University Computing Services     |                                /  
/  (213) 740-2655                    |                 - FZ           \
\  sweet@skat.usc.edu                |                                /
/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: francisr@indiana.edu (Rob Francis)
Subject: river of shit (what album is that on?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:54:32 GMT

I was talking to one of my old Profs. the other day and we were talking about  
FZ.  He started singing, "River of shit...".  I don't know that one.  What  
album is it on?  I've got 60+ albums, but I don't have whatever this one is on.

later,
-rob
francisr@indiana.edu
From: d89tomcl@odalix.ida.liu.se (Tomas Classon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: same song, different name
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:06:18 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

frantz@polaris.utu.fi (Kristian Frantz) writes:

>In article <23133@life.ai.mit.edu> bruce@maypo.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Walton) writes:
>>   >The version on Does Humor Belong in Music contains the Lets Move to
>>   >Cleveland vocals.  I think that this was the first version to be
>>   >officially released so its name sticks.  Young and Monde were the
>>   >normal vocals but I was at the show where the vocals on Humor was
>>   >recorded and we got the impression it was one of those spontaneous
>>   >changes that Frank likes to do so often.
>>
>>   I have a bootleg called "Big Mother Is Watching You" from the '84
>>   tour,  where this song is referred to as "Kreega Bondola", and this
>>   is what the lyrics sound like as well.  Does anyone have any idea
>>   about the meaning of this phrase?
>>
>>		   -bruce.

>I posted a comment on this about a week ago but I don't know if it
>ever turned up anywhere. I have a song called "Kreegah Bandolo" on a
>boot called something like "Won't fit your 43B no matter what 34B you
>are". Its from Stockholm, Sweden in '84 I think. Well, I'm a
>Swedish-speaking Finn and I have tried to get "Kreegah bandolo" into
>Swedish (this is a theory of mine (and it is too, though my name is
>not Anne Elk (Miss)): on the show they talk about a guy called Bengt
>Melin (or something) and some swedish stuff, so I thought the title
>could have something to do with Sweden) but I haven't succeeded. Its
>not swedish. 

>Frasse


I have sort of an answer to this question about "Kreegah bandolo"!

I used to read a lot of comics when I was a kid (still do actually)
and one of them was 'Tarzan'. Tarzan supposedly spoke some kind of 
jungle- or ape-language in wich 'bundolo' meant 'kill' or maybe 'I kill'.
He used to shout 'kreegah bundolo' when he was getting into fights 
with some gorilla or something...I think 'kreegah' meant 'beware' 
or something similar.

If this has any connection whatsoever with FZ's song I don't know...

I can also confirm that it is not swedish or has any connection to
Sweden (unless Tarzan only spoke that language in the swedish comicbooks).


Tomas
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Reply-To: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:17:59 GMT


 My girlfirend always thought of FZ as a weired, crazy guy.
One day I showed to her a sort of "biography" of FZ on video to her.
The documentation is about 60 minutes, and was done by Hannes Rossacher and
Rudi Dolezal, two Austrian Music-Journalists and Producers.
The part that got especially my girl-friends attention were some interviews.
Asked for the biggest mistake politicans make, FZ said this:

"They always forget the kids. They forget how much energy they have and
how much damage they can do."

There are quite a few of impressing statements in these interviews.
However strange FZ's music sounded to my girlfriend, these interviews made
her think of FZ as an intelligent, humourous and nice person, not crazy
at all and worth to be listened to.

 After that experience I made her listen to easier rock-pieces and as soon
as she really listened to it, she began to enjoy it.

-- 


                          Thomas Hollunder  thomas@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
          Institute for Computer Languages  Phone: +43 222 58801 4476
           University of Technology Vienna         +43 663 81 87 709
Argentinierstr. 8/13, 1040 Vienna, Austria  Fax:   +43 222 505 38 78
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: bdowning@mary.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: Beat The Boots!
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:59:00 GMT

In article <pz4tkp+@rpi.edu>, petrop@vccsouth17.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli) writes...
>Hey folks, I have been a FZ fan for quite some time now, and have most of his 
>stuff on cd.  I am interested in what the quality of the Beat the Boots 
>collection is like.  I am especially interested in the one that has Vinnie
>Colaiuta on it (can't remember title).  The YCDTOSA series contains some of
>my favorite Zappa live stuff...  How does the Beat the Boots series compare?
>I have a couple of bootlegs from other bands, and some, after spending $25 for 
>a single record, have that annoying condenser mic-like quality.  That really 
>sucks, and I'd HATE to buy cds that sound like that.
>Can anyone offer opinions???  They are greatly appreciated!


   The Beat the Boots series SUCKS! Save your money, don't go to the show.
I've even got a few I haven't opened yet because I just don't want to hear
the shit they call music.

  One thing about Zappa is that he's been a pioneer in the field of 
digital recording and other releted quality issues. As I recall, when
I used to live in Chicago and goto FZ concerts annually (Circa 1974)
Frank supposedly wouldn't play at any theater but the Auditorium because
the acoustics were so bad elsewhere. I don't remember the details but
for a while he wasn't playing at the Audtorium either because they
wanted to censor him? (Can anyone confirm this?). So, I've always
liked the extremely high quality of FZ's concert albums. This guy
has integrity for sure. Beat the Boots? with a blunt instrument maybe.

Brian Downing   VAX User Assistant,  Fordham University, New York, New York
Internet: bdowning@mary.fordham.edu  Bitnet: bdowning@fordmulc.bitnet
void random_witticism(char *, ... ) { ... }
From: mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: My second message
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:03:35 -0500

What I really wanted to say is that I have been a Franz Zappa fan since the mid
70's when I heard Dinah-Moe-Humm on the radio for the first time and I thought
this stuff is great. How can they get away with that? Since those high school
days I have at one time or another possessed about 3 dozen different FZ albums
(CDs). Now I raise my children on FZ and they seem to like Baby Snakes and
Plastic people alot. Now adays I occasionally hear one of his songs from the
Apostrophe`/Overnite Sensation CD on the outrageous local rock station.

Mark Schweder
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Those Flushing Noises - Where have I heard them before?
Organization: Logic Automation Inc. of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:37:25 GMT



	On "Make A Jazz Noise Here" in the song "When Yuppies Go
	To Hell":

	    At nine minutes into the song some swishing noises
   	    start - does anyone (other than Frank) know if these
	    are the same noises (at a different speed) that are
	    heard on "We're Only In It For The Money", at the
	    beginning of side two (the album) or track 12 (CD)
	    as "Nasal Retentive Calliope Music"?  Somewhere else
	    perhaps?  This is familiar to me, but I just can't
	    place it.


	Thanks.
-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
	  "Pink and wet - they make the best kind of pet"
                   -*- Stop Continental Drift! -*-
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ghatch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Greg Hatch)
Subject: Zappa trivia (sort of)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:24:29 GMT



Here is some obscure Zappa stuff for all the fans out there.  What follows are
Zappa's explanations for how two of his songs either got their title or what
went into making the song what it is.  If people on the Net really like
these, I might be able to dig up some more.  Enjoy!

AMERICA DRINKS AND GOES HOME (from Absolutely Free):  We spent hours putting
that together.  Herbie Cohen was playing the cash register.  We rehearsed 
the crowd noises.  The talk track is funny because they are saying things
like "I got a new Mustang" and the girls are saying: "Sally, will you go with
me to the bathroom?" you know that stuff.  The crowd mumble was carefully
programmed, like choreographed.  Then on top of that, which you can't even
hear, there's a fight going on. [listen carefully, you can]  We had the crowd
separated into two rooms.  In the main studio we had ten people sitting around 

the microphone, doing these lines on cue, with the cash register over here and 

the glass on one microphone.  Then in the vocal booth off to one side, we had
Ray Collins and Jimmy Carl Black and Roy Estrada going through this number.
We had Bunk Gardner tyring to pick up two girls.  You know, "What's a girl
like you doing in a place like this?" - all that stuff.  And then Jim's an 
Okie wanting to beat up a Mexican, who is Ray.  They start drinking beer 
together and the Indian accuses the Mexican of going out with his wife and
they punch it out.  Meanwhile, the chicks tell this guy to fuck off because
he is coming on too strong, you know: "What type of girls do you think we 
are?!".  It's all happening in there.  Those things are so carefully
constructed that it breaks my heart when people don't dig into them and see
all the levels that I put into them.

A POUND FOR A BROWN ON THE BUS (from Uncle Meat):  (Zappa explains what a
Brown Out is--it is another work for mooning that surfers use.  He also
went into detail about the surf culture.)
When we did our Festival Hall show last year, we were provided with a touring
bus with nice big windows so everybody on the outside could see in and we
could see out.  During the trip from the airport, a wager was made between
Jimmy Carl Black (the Indian of the group) and Bunk Gardner (our silver 
haired tenor saxaphone virtuoso).  Jimmy Carl Black turned to Bunk Gardner
and said "I'll bet you a pound you won't BROWN OUT on this here bus."  Bunk
Gardner, being the crafty silver haired devil that he is, quickly computed
the difference between a pound and a dollar and had his pants off before
anybody knew what had happened.
-- 
Greg Hatch (ghatch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

"Cleans you, thrills you, may even keep you from getting busted!"
		_Remington Electric Razor advertisement_ by Frank Zappa
From: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu (Charlie's enormous mouth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:17:28 GMT
Reply-To: mthorn@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

francisr@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) Zappificates:

>Some dandy's I use:
>
>YCDTOSA I
>The Grand Wazoo
>Hot Rats
>Weasels Ripped my Flesh
>LSO I
>Broadway the Hardway
>Live at the Filmore '71

For almost anyone I have found that the song "Fembot In A Wet T-Shirt" from
Joe's Garage is enough to arouse interest...then I usually play some stuff
from You Are What You Is, like "Dumb All Over" or "Conehead."  Then, when
they're ready to crack, I pull out the clincher:  The opening line of "Why Does
It Hurt When I Pee?"  

For real stubborn people, I play "Murder By Numbers" from Broadway...because,
as everyone knows, if Zappa worked with STING, he MUST be important. :) :)

I play LSO for classical music lovers, but it rarely works.  Oh well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Thorn / mthorn@madvax.uop.edu 
"Colonel Sanders wants to goose Granny's loose caboose
 He's gonna give her a boost with that Kentucky fried juice"
					--Mr. Bungle
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Subject: Re: Beat The Boots!
Organization: Centre for Applied Obfuscation.
Keywords: official bootlegs
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:05:43 GMT

In article <10APR199204590050@mary.fordham.edu>, bdowning@mary.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
>    The Beat the Boots series SUCKS! Save your money, don't go to the show.
> I've even got a few I haven't opened yet because I just don't want to hear
> the shit they call music.

C'mon, these ARE bootlegs!  Caveat emptor.  Having said that, the Beat the
Boots series don't compare to any of the YCDTOSA series recordings in
terms of recording quality.  I must add, though, I have heard WORSE
bootlegs.

My favourites in the Beat the Boots series are probably _Saarbrueken '78_,
_Any Way the Wind Blows_, _The Ark_, and _As An Am_.  People who are anal
retentive about sound clarity will probably shake their heads and be
disappointed.  Others who simply enjoy listening to music should be
pleased most likely.

Note, I only have the LP versions of the Beat the Boots series.  I can't
comment on the CDs.  (I will add, however, that the pressing quality
of the LPs was pretty abysmal for the box set I got.)

Cheers,

Paul.
-- 
e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk

If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: "Mr. Ian Rogers" <irogers@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Baby Snakes and children (was Re: My second message)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:01:08 -0500

In article <1992Apr16.180335.1022@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>What I really wanted to say is that I have been a Franz Zappa fan since the mid
From: chr@datmuc.UUCP (ChristianLechner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Could be an intersting thread
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:20:27 GMT

francisr@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes:


>I'd be interested how other people go about trying to hook other
>people on Zappa's music.

I mostly use

	YCDTOSA I
	YCDTOSA III
	Saarbruecken 78
	Sleep Dirt (sleep dirt)
	Broadway the Hard Way

Christian