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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Perfect turns!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:27:29 GMT

In <BxvGIL.Ixr@acsu.buffalo.edu> v069qryr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Aaron T. Breen) writes:

>In article <mjenkins.722010543@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes...
>>In <1992Nov16.224900.2742@bvc.edu> szemkusmarkw@bvc.edu writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>	How about that!!  Never in my life did I think perfect would ever 
>>>become a "good guy."  That was probably the best primetime that has been 
>>>out in a long time.  
>> 
>>Can someone PLEASE post *what happened*!?!?
>> 
>>Not all of us get Primetime, and the only posts so far have been along
>>this line of "Gee, I never thought it would happen, wasn't that great,
>>etc."
>> 
>>Michael

> From what I remember, Curt Hennig was a face early on in his career. Back in
> the old AWA days, good old Curt was involved in quite a few feuds, but then
> turned heal to face Greg Gagne, and eventually grab the AWA title away. He's
> been a heal ever since, but he was exceptional as a face early on. I say that
> he should go face, I never did like his heal angle.

Well thanks for the history lesson (but I knew that), but that wasn't
what I was asking! (It's also wrong, Hennig didn't win the AWA title
from Gagne, which is what you implied...he won it from Bockwinkel)

I wanted to know what happened on Prime Time! Not the history of Curt
Hennig as a face/heel.

Michael
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From: rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: The Survivor Series You'll Never See
Keywords: Yeah Right!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:06:48 GMT

"Hello everyone, this is Mean Gene Okerland with your Survivor Series Report.
On Thursday November 34th its the Thanksgiving Tradition: The Survivor Series
This year it will be held in the corners of Robert Schwabe's mind.  Yes,
ladies and gentle men this is the Survivor Series that you know you'll never
see:
	"In a "I wish Vince McMahon had the balls to do this" match
				or
	"In a "No way would this much talent ever appeat in a WWF ring"
				or
	"In a "Yes we are Wrestlers who have actual names" match

	Randy Savage, Brett Hart, Curt Henning, and Bob Backlund
				vs
	Ric Flair, Ted Dibiase, Mike Rotunda, and Sean Michaels

"But there's more matches

"How about a "Waste of Protoplasm" match

The Bushwhackers, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, and Hillbilly Jim
			vs.
Nailz, Damien Demento, Kamala, and (The Sumo Dude)

and this match just added:

A "Here's your hat, what's your hurry?" match

The Ultimate Warrior & The British Bulldog 
  		vs.
The Mountee & The Berzerker

In a "Why wait for a cheezy McMahon build-up" match
The Undertaker vs. Razor Ramon

In a "Why bring them into the WWF if you won't let them wresltle, Vince" match
Owen Hart vs. Terry Taylor

In a "Gee who is this guy?" match
Maximillian Moon vs. Terry Taylor

In a "You mean we are supposed to remember the past" match
Bob Backlund vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

In a "No this angle isn't over used" match
The Natural Disasters vs. The Nasty Boys

And here's comments from Jimmy Hart who is going to be in the corner of one of
the teams--
	"I Jimmy Hart am going to be in the corner of the team that ditched me
the hardest.  Well the Nasty Boys did throw me from a podium, but the Disasters
tried to beat me up.  I'll be in the corner of the Hart Foundation, yeah that's
it."

In a "Oh Shit, Don't bring them into the WWF" match
El Gigante & P.N. News
	vs.
Vinnie Vegas & Van Hammer

In a "Yeah the NET made this point so much I better mention it before a flame
war starts"

Max Moon, The Comet Kid, Kato, and Paul Diamond
		vs
Vinnie Vegas, Oz, Master Blaster "Steel", and Nitron

and finally in a Steriod Deflation match 

Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior
	vs. 
Rick Martel and Sid Justice

"Get on the phone and call your friend to get Survivor Series exclusively
on USENET vision.  Fun for the whole family!!!!!!!!"

******************************************************************************
Any comments, questions, flames, citicisms about my typing?
Any Additions I will also be happy to make

Robert J. Schwabe
"The Nature Boy Ric Flair that brushes my hair!"
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From: 900667c@ace.acadiau.ca (GERALD RICHARD CAMERON)
Subject: Wrestling Superstars notes
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:32:04 GMT

Just a few observations of my own about this weekends Superstars:

The Hart - Virgil match was almost unbearably bad, and the sight of Hart 
actually ceding a 2-count to Virgil made me shudder.  Mind you Virgil did do 
a good job of selling Hart's moves.

I loved the Flair - Ramon interview.  It has to be the funniest interview I'
ve ever seen.  Between Ramon's muttering and bouncing while Ric was talking, 
and Ric's "AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!" bit, I was ROTFL (I've always wanted to 
use that :).

Y'know, he may not have much of a workrate, but Yokozuna seems to be a 
pretty stiff worker.  His suplex and squashes (the Avalanche and Earthquake) 
really looked painful, and wasn't due to the jobber's selling.

Why does Vince insist on making Barry Horowitz job for losers like Lance 
Cassidy?  Barry could actually be a pretty decent heel if he was allowed, I 
imagine.

Hmmmm.....ol' Perfect's still pretty damn arrogant, even as a face.  It 
suits him though.  Him and Savage gave a pretty decent interview.

And Vince actually allowed references to a whole three fired wrestlers:
Warrior, Mountie, and Bulldog.

The version I saw was from Detroit, and the card set for Jan. 1 there has a 
couple interesting points:
	1. Typhoon is doing a singles job for Bam Bam Bigelow, so Bigelow's 
definately a heel.
	2. Flair did an intervoiew for a rematch with Hart, and he made 
reference to Hart's using the "be the man, beat the man" line.  He tagged 
on "but in order to stay the man, you've got to beat me!" or something to 
that effect.

Finally, It's a shame that High Energy of all teams has to job for the 
Headshrinkers at Summerslam.

Sorry this ran on so long.

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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Survivor Series Teams
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:07:17 GMT

In <Bxtyzq.DAy@news.udel.edu> rschwabe@bach.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) writes:

>Just a really innane survey (if you don't want to participate go ahead), but
>which Survivor Series team was the greatest?

Without a doubt, The Warriors:

Ultimate Warrior
Kerry Von Erich, the Modern-Day Warrior
Legion of Doom, the Road Warriors

And if Vince didn't have this penchant for changing people's
nicknames, he could have billed them like this.

Michael
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From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: [WCW] Sat Night - Pillman
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20: 59:45 CST
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:59:45 GMT
Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20: 59:50 CST


This is two weeks in a row I've missed the last 30 minutes of 
WCW Saturday Night (since it's been running 150 minutes instead
of 120).  So I've missed all four "King of Cable" matches thus
far (though I caught one of last week's on Sunday Night's Main
Event).

Anyway, I wasJUST luky enough to catch all the way to the end
of the Pillman match against "The Freedom Fighter".  Right from
the beginning (well, ten or twenty seconds into the match) I
was guessing it was Brad Armstrong.  The only things making me
think it WASN'T Brad were (1) no hair flowing from under the
mask (though he could have tucked the whole mop under there or
even (GASP) got a haircut) and (2) he didn't do his "Spiderman"
impression that he has in all his matches in the last 10+ years
(crouching down as he stalks his opponent, ready to spring at
them).

The big hint (besides Larry and Jim Ross continuing to say "Gee
this guy's movements look familiar but I can't put my finger on
it") was the way he kept checking his mask.  Brad was always
doing this as Arachniman.

		-Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer

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From: Andy@Birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: MSG show 11/28
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:07:17 EST
Reply-To: uunet!tension!birdland!andy
Keywords: MSG WWF
Summary: Who's going?
Expires: never
Distribution: na
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So who from here will be going to the WWF house show at MSG on 11/28? Now 
that I live a 1 hour train ride from NYC, I'm definitely looking forward
to catching an MSG house show, since they are so legendary.

Dave? Charles? Anyone else? (what the heck happened to Eph, anyway?) If
you guys are gonna be there, set a meeting place.

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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Re: Did Paul E. pull a shoot?????
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:31:38 GMT

In article <ventura.722399282@camelot> ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
 (...)
>Madusa? It seemed as though the match started to look strange after Paul
>ran out of the ring the second time (The first time he was carried back by
>Duece). I say that Dangerously strayed from the script, and Watts will
>never let him manage in WCW again!
>
>Just an idea... 
>ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  
 (...)

The ending looked "good" to me.  Jesse and Jim Ross were ready with the
comments about having Paul E's pants pulled off and I'm pretty sure that the
broadcast was truly live.  Also having him bolt before being officially
beaten is in character.

One thing I remember looking strange was the Havoc's 'Spin The Wheel'.  The
announcers were silent for a little while, Sting seemed upset, and didn't
make a public comment into the proffered microphone.  I agree with someone
else on the net who thought it should have been 'First Blood' since the line
was right on the border of the two matches.  It also makes sense with Jake
being bitten assuming that the match ends when someone bleeds.

If Paul E. did wander from the script, they handled it much better than the
Havoc.

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"...Thank you for listening to me.  I apologize for being so dull."
						-Bob Backlund?
From: v069qryr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Aaron T. Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: While we're on the subject...
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 I don't claim to be the most knowlegeable as far as wrestling goes, but I am
 in aggreance with one thing: The talent pool is drying up, and fast!

 Maybe what Cowpie and McMoney need to do is to look for some of those young
 stars from some of the other independant promotions, and try to push them
 just a little bit. I know this might sound like a lame point, but let me sight
 a few examples:
 1) Kerry Von Erich - Although we all know about his problems, if McMoney would
    have pushed him harder, than we could've seen much more of the "Modern Day
    Warrior's" talent....He was a great wrestler in the former World Class
    Org. (not to mention a return match against Flair for the WWF title...now
    THAT would've been a match!)

2) Jushin "Thunder" Liger - It's a shame that WCW let him go. Next to Muta, 
   IMHO, he is one of the better wrestlers out of Japan that could be pushed
   to superstar status in the US.

3) "Flyin'" Brian Pillman - The script he is being written into is sick...he's
   no heel, he's too babyfaced for that. He's got great speed, and could easily
   be pushed as an "arielist" (IMHO neither company has a good one right now)

4) The Ebony Xperience - This might sound silly, but these two gentleman are
   just what's needed as a good face team for McMoney. They've got shades of
   the Hart Foundation in them, but are sitting in GWF/USWA(?) with literally
   no decent exposure.

  Just thought I'd pose a possible scenario to the question, that's all.

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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: History of Japan
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:30:04 GMT

pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Candy Guru) writes:

>Me too.  I LOVE a good bloodbath... so to speak.

A good bloodbath...., but would you like to see a MURDER?
I would if that's Jose Gonzales getting "punished."
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University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: bssbc1jcs@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: CoC-Starcade Drawing
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:37:53 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


In article <1992Nov13.221335.29484@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker) writes:
> I get the feeling that since the drawing is being held before the event,
> that this BattleBowl drawing may be a shoot, if you could call it that.
> Since they will have time to book all the matches afterwards, it might not
> be a bad suggestion. Maybe this time, we will actually get to see the names
>  on those cards...and not anyone giving away the team by starting to get out
> of his chair 8-)
> 
> THere's the same chance of Tully Blanchard coming back and Buzz Sawyer
> being raised from the grave (by Shango?)
> 
> Jeff Hawkins
> gjh2j@virginia.edu
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: CoC reviews
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

JF>  It always amazes me how different people watch the same show with differen
  >opinions (someone referred to this as the worst Clash ever, I hold that
  >title for the one where Arn & Larry won the tag title from Rick Steiner &
  >Bill Kazmier, along with a few other umimpressive one).

While this may not have been the worst Clash productwise, I rat it the
worst because Watts really needed a dynamite show here and he did not
even get a firecracker.

JF>  The boxing match was better than most "real" fights you see.

To me, that was a complete farce.  Then again, I have watched the mixed
(karate vs wrestler) matches in new Japan and have seen those matches
done right.

  >Makes me wonder why more professional fights aren't scripted.

You don't think they are?

JF>  Sting vs Rude had some good points, particularly Sting splashing the guard
  >rail and Rude losing without having to suffer a pinfall.  Nice they announce
  >Larry Z as a former AWA champ.

That match was a huge disappointment.  No "high impact" wrestling at
all.  Watts really hooked em up on that one.
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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: The latest running gag...
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17: 01:01 -0600
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:01:01 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16: 59:57 CST



Now that the Steve DiSalvo, $name-ster, etc. have died down, we have a new
thread of running gags.  This one I actually like.

Curtis Desjardins writes:

> jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:

> >Lance Cassidy vs Skinner
> >Only question on my mind is who will job. Skinner, or Cassidy?

> Neither.
>
> Eric Watts will run into the ring beat on both of them, and....

Heh... it wouldn't be quite as funny except for the fact that it's
TRUE (not this example, but Erik "the rookie" coming in and beating
everyone and his manager).

		--Otto "Bush Hacker" Heuer
From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: The most attractive woman in wrestling
Summary: she's a skeezer
Keywords: Best looking woman
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:17:59 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Andy writes:

> > 3. Sensational Sherri

> > 6. Lady Blossom
> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> What? That broad is FUGLY! And Liz belongs well above Sherri. She gets 

I don't see how anyone could find Sherri attractive. The thing that
comes to my mind when I see her is "black hole." Lady Blossom is ugly too.
I used to like Precious, but she's probably a hag now. Hollywood of GLOW
was a babe.

Mike
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: RSPW TAPE 2
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

MP>I think others on the net will respond to above.  I will just say that
  >many people who post here recognize the poor shape of wrestling in the
  >U.S. as represented by the big federations.  However, wrestling in
  >Japan, Mexico, and perhaps a few others places emphasize skill and speed
  >over gimmickery and cartoonism.  And  a fair number of people here
  >recognize that and try to make it availabe to others who don't have
  >access to it (e.g., via Herb and Dave's compilation tapes).  Yes, there
  >are a fair number of serious, mature wrestling fans here.

Everyone,

After talking with Eric, and after seeing the pathetic Clash Wednesday,
we decided to do another tape.  This one will probably  be done in
January, after everyone gets back from break.

On this tape, I am going to go through the archives and looke for some
older original or first generation matches to suggest.  Like the last
one, I want to keep the video quality as high as possible.  I am off the
week after Christmas and am going to look through the archives then.

However, I also want some input on this from everyone.  If there is
something specific that YOU want to see, let me know.  If I have it, or
can get it, with good quality, we'll put it on the ballot for you.  Send
those requests E mail.

Again, I think February is when mailing will start.

Thanks for your time.
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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steve Myerson)
Subject: Re: All this SWF crap
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:48:15 GMT

In article <BgDouB3w163w@peewee> Philip Stromer writes:

* That's one vote against.  I vote FOR.  So Don is instantly canceled.
* Don, how does it feel to have scum like me CANCEL you before your
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^
* eyes, before your very favorite newsgroup?

See, everyone? Phil's posts are better now.
In fact, this one has an actual fact.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: Andy@Birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Perfect turns!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:28:07 EST
Reply-To: uunet!tension!birdland!andy
Keywords: Perfect face AWA
Summary: And the WWF, too
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In article <BxvGIL.Ixr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Aaron T. Breen writes:

>  From what I remember, Curt Hennig was a face early on in his career. Back in
>  the old AWA days, good old Curt was involved in quite a few feuds, but then
>  turned heal to face Greg Gagne, and eventually grab the AWA title away. He's
>  been a heal ever since, but he was exceptional as a face early on. I say that
>  he should go face, I never did like his heal angle.
> 

He was a face when he debuted in the WWF back around 1981. I remember his
first match in the WWF was an MSG debut. He wrestled Eddie Gilbert. The two
looked even more baby-face-ish than Mark Bagwell. I think both of them were
18 at the time. He was in the WWF for a short time as a baby face.

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From: stevenn@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Steven G. Newhook)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.sports.pro-wrestling
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:45:43 GMT

In article <BxL6Hq.CAM@news.udel.edu> davez@brahms.udel.edu (David Micha Zlotkin) writes:
>     Money Inc's victory over the Natural Disasters got me thnking of
>a trivia question: What was the last team (before Money Inc) to regain
>the WWF tag-team titles from the team which ORIGINALLY beat them for
>the titles? I think I know the answer, but I want to see what 
>everybody else thinks.
>
>						Dave
Anybody with even an Iota of wrestling knowledge knows that it was Demolition
from the Brainbusters(Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard) and again from the      Colossal Connection (Haku and Andre the Giant).

This reply is from a friend of mine.


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