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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:04:51 GMT

The Infinity War is, IMO, a load of fertilizer. Not only does it not
worry about any sort on continuity between itself and the rest of the
"Marvel Universe," it doesn't even attempt to maintain continuity
between itself and it's sibling, The Infinity Gauntlet.

What A waste...
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          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

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               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: XMEN: Forge is not an inventor
Date: 28 Jul 1992 13:48:45 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <Bs2wDp.2nB@cs.psu.edu> antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes) writes:
>Hello.
>So, reading a back issue of X-Men, Forge pulls the amazingly lame line
>"since my mutant power is the ability to invent litererly anything given
>enough time..." and it starts me thinking about the nature of his power.
>
>I don't think he actually has the ability as a mutant power to invent things.
>Instead, I think he makes devices which work because he made them.  If or
>when he forgets about them, they  probably become disfunctional.  So, his

	Except that when Forge first appeared, Val Cooper or Mystique
called him the government's new exotic weapons manufacturer since Tony
Stark was out of it.  Also, Henry Gyrich and the Scarlet Witch have each used
the power neutralizer.  I was thinking that Forge was the force behind them,
but then I realized it wouldn't wash.   
	Oh well, he's no more of a Deux with Machina than Reed Richards
or Tony Stark, he just has an excuse to build that stuff.
-- 
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:07:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: na
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Jul21.064437.11425@gdwest.gd.com> good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
>	"'Green Arrow' Among Dead"
>
>I guess DC thought they were getting rid of just another lame superhero, at
>least until Mike Grell showed 'em he could be interesting.  I guess DC just
>conveniently decided to ignore the fact that he was supposed to be dead once
>they thought they could make some more money off of him...

	Wrong Green Arrow.  The dead GA was the Earth 2 version.  He 
had a different origin (he and Speedy made trick arrows to save themselves
from folks robbing an Indian burial site, or something like that).
He was a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory.  When he was retconed
out of existance, Wing and Stripsey (the sidekicks of Crimson Avenger and
the Star Spangled Kid) replaced them in the official count of seven.


-- 
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"Hmmmm, this sounds like *another* job for Stupendous Man!" - Calvin
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:26:52 GMT

In article <13457@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>He was a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory.  When he was retconed
>out of existance, Wing and Stripsey (the sidekicks of Crimson Avenger and
>the Star Spangled Kid) replaced them in the official count of seven.

Not quite. For some odd reason, perhaps because he was an adult and because
Wing was an asian (this was the early-mid 40s), Stripsey was always counted
as one of the official "Seven Soldiers" while Wing was an "unofficial Eighth
Soldier". At first, after the removal of GA and Speedy from the continuity
of the 40s, DC went with the other established name of the group, the
Law's Legionnaires. However, last I looked, they'd gone back to seven by
upping Wing's status to official and adding in either Billy Gunn or Stuff
the Chinatown Kid, Vigilante's two sidekicks during the run of the feature.
It was either that of making Shining Knight's horse, Winged Victory, 
a member.

"Considering some of the jerks we went up against, sometimes I wished he'd
called himself the 'Green .44 Magnum'. --Speedy
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw )
Subject: Re: XMEN: Forge is not an inventor
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:40:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.160055.13150@news.columbia.edu> kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.093258.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>>What other marketable inventions are being ignored by the superhero populace?
>
>There are a lot of them in the Marvel Universe:
>	The von Doom time cube
>	Reed Richard's unstable molecule "cloth"
>	The Iron Man armor
>	The Multiple Man's unbreakable Mayo jar
>	Adamantium
>	Vibranium
>	Force Fields
>	Antigravity
>	Cloaking devices
>	Mach 4+ jets
>	Mutant inhibitor fields
>	growth/shrink formulas
>	artificial intelligence
>	personal jet packs
>	phasing ability
>	
I was under the impression that some of the marketablestuff WAS being 
marketed. For example, I remember one old FF issue, where Reed Richards
mentioned that he would have to sell some of his inventions to pay the
rent on the Baxter Building. Dr. Doom's citizens are supposed to have
a really high standard of living with really low taxes cuz Doom get
all the $$ he needs from selling his technology. On the other hand, some
of the inventions that these Marvel heroes come up with might become
dangerous (oh no!!) if they were marketed and used by the forces 'o evil,
so they have to keep the secrets locked up tight!

-p. minutillo


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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: LOS ANGELES: r.a.c. get-together?
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 03:09:00 GMT

I'll be in the LA area from Monday 8/3 until Thursday 8/13 [at which point
San Diego beckons...]. Anyone interested in getting together while I'm out
there email me a phone number where I can get a hold of you when I get out
there (my login access will likely be somewhat limited out there, thus
the phone number request).

"I just want to say that being named this month's Miss August is an honor I'll
remember for as long as I can. I'm a freshman in my fourth year at UCLA and I
want to be a veterinarian because I love children." --Julie Brown
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the GL yellow weakness
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:30:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul22.033055.12756
Distribution: na
Organization: Appleton Public Library - Appleton, WI

bgrubb@nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

>All this shows that the problem with GLs is not with the yellow weakness 
>itself but with they way the writers handle it.  

No kidding.  Like when the Shark surrounded himself with "an invisible
yellow aura."  Invisible yellow?  Even the F Sharp Bell might've had
trouble...

This was in vol 1, no. 24, btw.

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Appleton Public Library |                 |   fax: (414) 832-6422
  Appleton, WI 54911    |  -E.M. Forster  | terry@edsi.plexus.com
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Roy Thomas
Keywords: Roy Thomas
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:29:53 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <visser.712422096@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>	I dont think Roy Thomas has been the same as a writer since the whole 
>"Crisis"/death of Earth 2/"last days of the JSA".  Something just went
>out of the work.
Amen. If anyone at DC got shafted by the Crisis, it was Roy Thomas.
Earth II was essentially his, at least as far as the war years are 
concerned. While he still kept doing All-Star Squadron, the magic
seemed gone after the Crisis.

I suppose I can't blame him. What DC did to the JSA was horrid.
The fans that appreciated the JSA didn't care that there were other
Flashes, Green Lanterns and Atoms running around. But, to satisfy
the fan-boys incapability to undertand the old Universe, the JSA
got shafted.
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Robocop vs Terminator - Time Paradox?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:20:22 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.234137.3372@spcvxb.spc.edu> 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>To you Dudes into Time-Paradoxes,
>
>   I don't have the exact Temporal co-ordinates as to when SKYNET unleashed
>Armaggadon, or the time when Murphy got transformed to Robocop, but if I
>remember right - SKYNET started "The Day of the Machines" supposedly a few
>years before the RoboCop program got started in Detroit.
>In "Terminator", I think the year IT started was 1999 -a guess.  RoboCop,
>in a year after 2000 -another guess.
>Could anybody please verify the year of each movies beginning.
>
>Granted the idea, concept, is interesting, but it really get ruin (to me) if
>one cannot mesh two different storylines properly into something cohesive 
>-especially conflicting time periods.

I don't think they gave any exact dates in RoboCop.  However, in T-2, Arnie
says that Skynet becomes self-aware in 1997, and caused Judgment (sp?) Day
on August 29, 1997.  Anyone have any dates for RoboCop?
From: psraah@uta.fi (Rami Ahonen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: print runs
Date: 20 Jul 92 12:07:10 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

PRINT RUNS!!! ANYONE?

After Tom Galloway's very informative piece on print runs I got very 
curious about some of my fafourite comics and their numbers.

They are all published by DC so I can't find the information straight 
from the comics themselves ( like I can when I want to know print runs on 
Marvels). 

I'm hoping that someone of you to fellow R.A.C.ers (or R.A.C.M.ers,
R.A.C.I.ers or even R.A.C.X-books.ers) could supply me the PR on the
fallowing titles. (Avarages or just certain issue or anything) 

Sandman
Shade 
Animal Man
Doom Patrol  

thanks

trami
psraah@uta.fi
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From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Subject: Re: DC/CHARLTON: Booster Gold
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.162001.17497@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <3055@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>>Keywords: BAD!
>
>>a useless putz and woman chaser and of course Dan Jurgens, 
>>Booster Gold's creator, has restored Booster's characterization as well.
>
>Has Jurgens been around that long?  I didn't pay much attention to the
>Charlton books (at least not that one), but I didn't know Jurgens
>created Booster in the first place.  Did he create any of the other
>Charlton originals?  I know he didn't create the Beetle, he goes back
>a ways.

As noted before, Jurgens did create Booster Gold.  Maybe you are thinking
of Blue Beetle, who was a Charlton character for awhile.  With the bad 
writing that is so prevalent in JLAEIOU lately, you wouldn't know them apart
unless they were in costume (and knowing those jokers, they'd switch
suits just to screw with us).

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu


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From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Reply-To: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:37:09 GMT


Regarding Alan Moore Swamp Things:

What issues are reprinted in trade paperback form?
I believe "Love and Death" reprints issues #28-34
but what about another TPB titled "Saga of the Swamp Thing"?

Steve A.
From: clt@eotvos.physics.purdue.edu (Carrick Talmadge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: 23rd Annual San Diego Comic Convention
Keywords: Convention, Table, Sell
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:38:42 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <14fjcuINN465@network.ucsd.edu> barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry  
Brown) writes:
>.......
> 23rd Annual San Diego Comic Convention
> August 13-16, 1992
> San Diego Convention Center
> 111 W. Harbor Drive
> 
> Memberships:
> Adults: $45 all four days; $16 one day
> Kids 7-16 and seniors over 60: $22 all four days; $8 one day
> Kids under 7 free with paid adult
> 
> For more information, call (619) 685-8118
> 
> ******
> 
> Note: this was the text from the front side of SDCC's flyer.  The back
> contained a partial list of several hundred pros and artists who will be 
> attending.  The list was not included here.
> 
> -- 

First I would like to thank Barry for posting this information, I
have been looking through the latest comics all day to find information
on the convention, but was unable to find anything on the
San Diego Convention.

I plan on attending this convention and was wondering if anyone
could suggest an inexpensive place to stay? ( I will have a car
so it need not be in the convention area.)

I would also like to know if any collectors are setting up a table
to sell things. I have a host of comics, posters, and limited
edition prints that I would like to sell, but not enough to set
up my own table. I know that at some conventions there are collector
tables where the small guy can move his stuff instead of selling it
to the dealers. If anyone knows someone with a little space at a
dealers table which they would like to share please contact me
by email or call 1-317-743-8181.

harry@physics.purdue.edu
Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907.
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: A Shade more
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.145524.5842@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.055716.10077@reed.edu>, mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:
>> 
>> Well, I have my own theory about how the Suicide Squad Shade fits in to  
>> continuity.  Remember the issue where shade travelled through time meeting  
>> his younger selves (it was during The Road story)?  It's been a while  
>> since I read it, but it was implied that Shade made up "Ditko mythology"  
>> with one of his younger selves during the trip.  And, when you consider  
>> the reality warping power of the M-vest, you might consider that the Ditko  
>> mythology was retroactively made into a reality.  This way, all of the  
>> Ditko and SS stories involved an unreal superhero-like Shade and not the  
>> one we all know and love.  Does that make any sense?
>
>        Uhhhhhhhhhhh......sort of.
>
Personally, I try real hard *not* to consider the reality warping power
of the M-vest, seems like a good way to get institutionalized, and it hasn't
done Shade all that much good, either.  I can see it now, "Whoa, flashback,
what happened to Frisco?  Oh, sorry, just that nasty M-vest again."

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Right here we'll have some kids, and there will be a garden and over
   there I'll fight crime!"
         --- Cool World
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
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From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: Spiderman's Parents
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:33:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.202938.26481@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
>
>I bet you any amount that Spidey's new found parents will either be
>
>1.  Robots
>2.  Shapeshifting aliens
>3.  Clones
>4.  Spies who had plastic surgery to look like his parents
>5.  Or in some way not his real parents
>
>Marvel never changes a character's history this much

Welllllllll, Kal-El got Pa Kent back, and so much of comicdom is 'monkey
see, monkey do'....

(If Supes didn't get his dad back a coupla years ago, I'd immediately
believe one of the points above to be true; as it stands, I'm still
buying and haven't a clue.)
.


-- 
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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: <None>
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:07:50 EDT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul21.064437.11425@gdwest.gd.com>, good@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Good) writes:
> Speaking of the Crisis...  I was recently sorting through my comics and took
> a look at my copies of Crisis and skimmed through it.  Something kind of 
> interesting I stumbled on was on the third page from the end of issue 12.
> I showed (quite plainly) the new (female) Wildcat holding a newspaper.
> The headline:
> 	"'Green Arrow' Among Dead"
> 
> I guess DC thought they were getting rid of just another lame superhero, at
> least until Mike Grell showed 'em he could be interesting.  I guess DC just
> conveniently decided to ignore the fact that he was supposed to be dead once
> they thought they could make some more money off of him...


I believe this was the Golden Age Green Arrow who was killed.  It was 
decided somewhat at the last minute that having duplicate GA's was
not a good idea.

Mark Balbes
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From: mickey@brahms.udel.edu (Ernest McCarter)
Subject: Unstable Molecules (was Re: Forge is not...)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:00:55 GMT


In Article 78577, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>>	Reed Richards' unstable molecule "cloth"
>	Now THIS would sell.  It repels bullets, never tears over your private
>	parts, never needs resizing, it would be wonderful

Hmm...

I would argue there is no market for unstable molecule cloth in the
Marvel Universe.  The premise of the stuff is that it conforms to
the powers of the individual wearing it.  It is not by nature bullet-proof.
The only thing unstable molecules allow Reed to do, for example, is
stretch while staying in his uniform.

Besides, he seems happy to just give a suit to any super-hero that
asks him for one...as demonstrated around Hulk #290 and New Warriors #26.


Mick

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: <None>
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.164801.5740@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>
>        Speaking of rectcons (Crisis or otherwise) how are explainations for
>recharacterizatins like Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man, and others
>handeled?  How did their previous continuity fit in to the new post-Crisis
>universe.  Example: "Old" Shade appeared in Suicide Squad not less than a year 
>before "New" Shade hit the comic stands?  I love Shade as it is now, but I 
>can't figure out how the change happened.  And Animal Man?  He was a member of 
>the Forgotten Heroes previous to the Crisis, but afterward, nothing.  I haven't
>followed his book closely, so maybe I missed it.  Also, what's the story on the 
>Levitz/Bynre pocket universe thing with the Legion?  Was there a Superboy, or
>not?  The Legion says there was, but where does he fit in?
>

As far as I understand it, the current series of Shade is not set within the
mainstream DC continuity. This has been hinted at in the editorial page, and
during all the cataclysmic events of the American Scream story we saw not one
glimpse of a superhero. In fact, they nuked...erm...one major US city (might
have been SF but I can't remember) which I presume hasn't happened in the
mainstream DC Universe.

I should add that I, for one, hope it stays that way. I think Milligan's stories
are unique and interesting and I don't want to see him tied to someone else's
idea of having loads of Spandex-suited do-gooders. For that matter, I don't
want a cross-over with Sandman, Doom Patrol, Hellblazer or anything else. I
want it to stand alone as a coherent story without any 'run-of-the-mill' sillyness
involving superheroes.

I'm no expert on Animal Man, but I've read the reprint TPB, and he definitely
mentions going off into space with the Forgotten Heroes, so I presume there's
some sort of continuity there.

Mike

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Question about Hellblazer TPB
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:38:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.173623.11796@udel.edu> lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>The _Hellblazer_ TPB that is supposed to come out in August collects
>issues 1-9. Didn't _Hellblazer_ #9 continue into an issue of _Swamp Thing_?
>Is this issue also reprinted in the TPB, or do I have to run around looking
>for it if I buy the TPB?
>
Yes, Swamp Thing #76.  No, it will not be included, but it's not necessary
to the storyline that you do read it, more the other way around.  (Meaning
that reading reading Hellblazer #9 is helpful to the Swampy storyline, 'cuz
there are references in ST #76 to HB#9, but not vice versa).  But should
you want to, it shouldn't be hard to find or very expensive.  And I recommend
you should, because that issue is "l'Adoration de la Terre", one of my all-time
favorite Swampy stories, in which JC plays an integral part.  I have to
pat myself on the back for resisting some truly terrible puns there.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Right here we'll have some kids, and there will be a garden and over
   there I'll fight crime!"
         --- Cool World
......................................................................
From: derrick@cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Saturday Night Live cards
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:23:23 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Athabasca University


Does anyone need to trade SNL cards? I need to do some trading.

please email

Derrick
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