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From:         Jeremy Miles <xoct304@DERBY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Equity Theory - Some Evidence in Support

Regarding equity theory - the idea that two people each bring something
to a relationship, and the somethings are equal:
Let's have a look at the evidence - think of some attractive women and
their partners

        Mick Jagger     - Jerry Hall
        Billy Joel      - Christie Brinkley
        Paul Simon      - Carrie Fisher
        Dudley Moore    - Brogan Lane
        Bruce Forsyth   - Wilnelia (??) (ex Miss World)
        Paul Daniels    - Debbie McGhee

What is it that these men have to attract these women?  Youth and good
looks?  Equity theory would suggest that they can make up for this with
money, and they seem to have managed.

Cheers,

Jez

P.S.    What about Sean Penn and Madonna?  (;->)



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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Brainscape

If anyone has the address send it out for all...
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: prisoner study
              93 02:01:00 pm

=>
=> I think you're referring to the classic Social Psychology experiment by
=> Zimbardo, not Milgram.
=>
        Of course, one could always combine the "best" of both worlds, and
include an electric chair and executioner in the experimental design! ;)

        Sorry folks - long weekend!


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From:         PCABE@PEMBVAX1.PEMBROKE.EDU
Subject:      RE: SES Measure for Kids

...one indirect, but "face valid" measure of SES that kids could probably
use is to ask about household possessions, the presence or absence of which
would be correlated with SES. Examples could include (I'm making this list
up) indoor plumbing, how many bathrooms, how many people share bedrooms,
does family own stove, refrigerator, microwave, VCR, TV (how many), family
have a car (how many), telephone (how many), etc., etc., etc.

I have seen this kind of measure used in a couple of dissertations done
in Adult and Community College Education at North Carolina State University,
though I don't have any specific references to share. A contact is Dr. Ed
Boone, Adult and Community College Education, North Carolina State Univ.,
Raleigh, NC. He is an old acquaintance, so feel free to mention my name as
a refer-er.
Pat Cabe
Pembroke State Univ.
Pembroke, NC 28372
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From:         Jon Abramowitz <abramwtz@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Muhlenberg College

I am just wondering if there is anyone on PsychGrad who also attended
Muhlenberg College in Alentown, Pennsylvania.  I graduated in the class of
'91 from there and thought that the psychology department prepared me
especially well for graduate school here at Bucknell University.

If you're also a 'Berg alum, I'd love to hear from you; reply to my e-mail
address:
           abramwtz@coral.bucknell.edu

Thanks!

Jon Abramowitz
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: CowPlop Fans

I'm not watching the Superbowl this year - where are my 49er's?
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From:         Tom Downey <downey@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      RE: CowPlop Fans

I agree with Matthew...I had hoped that the discussion here would be more
scholarly and critical...I can have this type of discussion over a beer at
the "U".

How do I subscibe to Psych-J....it seems that that venue might be more to
my tastes.  I made a serious "real world" posting regarding aviation
safety, the use of automation, information processing and vigilance
last week and have only gotten 2/3 responses...however football and
bathroom behaviour seem to be the real hot topics here.

Seems that the criticism I keep hearing of the Ivory Tower contributions to
the "real world" has some basis....what do you think...maybe this will
stimulate some "real world" discussion.

Again...how do I get on to the journal based BBS?


Thanks,

Tom

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 TBN@UTXVM.bitnet wrote:

> Matthew Simpson writes a long letter which is too long to repost
> here...
>
> However, I take issue with one comment Matthew made about limiting
> the contents of this discussion list to topics which are 'implicitly
> relevant to graduate students in psychology'. Who decides exactly
> what such topics are?
>
> For myself, I think the football discussion is an outstanding example
> of how psychologists can take a real-world phenomenon like football
> and render various interpretations of it--for example, see sf's
> psychodynamic interpretation and my social learning approach to the
> issue, as well as the 'football as rape' motif advanced by another
> (sorry i cannot remember the author's name at present) poster.
>
> We could limit ourselves to discussing sanctioned  topics mentioned
> only in journal articles, but that's exactly what's wrong with
> scientific psychology today, I contend--we need to talk more about
> real world social phenomena, not less! Also, there's the separate issue
> of the potential loss of our humanity by limiting our 'conversational
> topics'. Is PSYCGRAD an electronic journal? Should we limit our
> discussions to journal-like topics? I thought that's what PSYCGRD-J
> was for--the more formal discussion of topics of interest to
> psychologists whereas psycgrad is more informal.
>
> This doesn't mean that I approve of flames or posts that are made withou
> careful intellectual thought. Maybe we need to work harder to define
> appropriate and inappropriate post types. Matthew, perhaps exemplars
> would be helpful, even if they are hypothetical.
>
> This is just my .02 worth on what i consider to be a pretty serious
> issue (note: as always, this is most certainly *not* a flame; if it
> is taken as one, I apologize in advance for not stating my thoughts
> clearly enough).
>
> thanks,
>
> tor
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Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

Todd and others,

        With any luck (read $$$$$), I'll be at APS in Chicago,
ABS in Davis, and ASP in Sturbridge.
        --Kathy Morgan
        currently kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet (thru Feb 93)
        soon to be kathleen_morgan@wheatonma.edu (after Feb. 93)
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From:         Jason Evan Mihalko <WC5BB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Generalizability Theory

Does anyone out there know of any good references that *explain*
the nuts and bolts of generalizability theory?  I tried the usual
Psychlit route this afternoon and came up with 327 references or so
that mention generalizability studies but none of them actually
went into any detail on how to conduct one.

Thanks.

                                      ---Jason

~~~~~
Jason Evan Mihalko
City University of New York
wc5bb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

>OK, so I'm not reading my mail as closely as I should. I thought you were
>asking for materials on the Zimbardo Prison Study, not the Prisoner's
>Dilemma.  Sorry for the posting!
>
>SF
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> all the beautiful sentiments in the world
> weigh less than a single lovely action.
>           --James Russell Lowell
>
>Stephanie Fishkin, Univeristy of Southern California
>fishkin@scf.usc.edu
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Yes, I *was* wondering about that....some of my professors had told me that
they thought the prisoner's dilemma paradigm was boring and a waste of
participants' time, but I hardly thought that would qualify it as
unethical, though I guess one could make the argument that subjecting
someone to a boring experience willfully in exchange for course credit
could be unethical---but that would derail the teaching careers of some
*very* prestigious individuals, so I'm not holding my breath! :-)

cheers,

Tor
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From:         Todd D Nelson <nelsont1@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: deep thought 2
              Jan 26, 93 3:35 pm

>
> =>
> => Awwww, you're not supposed to be SERIOUS and wreck the fun......its a joke.

> => Ever watch saturday night live?
> =>
>         You mean SNL is supposed to be _funny_?
>
>         Are you sure?
>
>         Aaaarrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
>
>          Rick Adams -=*=- adamsr@ais.org -=*=- adamsr@norwich.bitnet

Ha, ha,

Point well taken. (THEORETICALLY it is. The SNL concept looked good on paper)


Todd D. Nelson
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Subject:      Re: cai & counseling skills

Try "comp.ai" and "comp.ai.edu" of ANUNEWS.

Yang Cai
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Subject:      RE: CowPlop Fans

Cowboys? Bills? 49'ers? Graduate school? Graduate students? (Is this
network worth spending my time on?)
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Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Did anyone go to WPA in Portland last year?  That was the conference I
was referring to...there were many studies about attractiveness and
physical interest (including one with a poster of people in bathing
suits, it caught my attention, but I can't remember what it was
about!!).  Also commumication styles and attraction...etc.  I put my
name on all the lists to have stuff sent to me (it's one of my
interests) but alas, like me, they are probably woefully far from
getting the reprints out.  Are there any psychgradders who presented?
Speak up!!!


trace


(p.s.  Tor, thanks a lot!!!!  ;-)   )

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There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it
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From:         Jon Abramowitz <abramwtz@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: handwashing ethics

I remember reading about and laughing about that men's bathroom study also
as an undergraduate.  It was my social behavior experimental class.  I
think, however, the topic it was used to illustrare was ETHICS!!!!!!

Anyone know where (and when, for that matter) that was done?

Jon A.
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From:         ECO_GXC@SHSU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: handwashing ethics

if you are secretly observing people in restrooms I think that there is
a clear ethical problem.  There have been lawsuits (successful) related
to such spying.  Some of the spying in the lawsuits has been for
voyeristic reasons and also for security reasons (retail stores, etc).
I wouldn't be comfortable doing a study like that unless the handwashing
area was clearly seperate from the toilet area.  Some restrooms do have
a seperate lounge area with sinks.  -- gary carson
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From:         barry <CMSPSY20@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ethics

APA requires more stuff to be taught than it is possible to teach in
a reasonable (4-5 year) series of courses.  Therefore, they provide an
out by stating that not all requirements must be met by formal coursework.
The idea is that students can learn some things (notably, ethics) while
on internship or from major professors/mentors outside of the classroom
setting.  My program (Applied Psychology at the university of georgia--
make that read I-O/Measurement, the old name for this program) does not
offer a course in ethics.  It is assumed that this can be covered as
units of other courses.  Most of the professors here do raise ethical
issues in some of their classes, but the coverage is not very deep.  As
far as I know, the clinical program here also does not have a course
dedicated to ethical considerations.  However, the faculty and students
here are very aware of ethical problems.  So far, there have been no
major problems in this area.

Barry
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      request from you all

Hi,

Does anyone have a copy of the posting "science & psychology" (posted about
1-2 weeks ago by myself) ? I inadvertently deleted it, before I could print
out a hard copy. If anyone still has a copy of that original posting, I would
be grateful if you could forward a copy to me!!

Thanks!!

Todd D. Nelson
22817MGR@MSU.bitnet
NELSONT1@student.msu.edu
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Subject:      Re: Stereotyping
              Fishkin" at Jan 27, 93 10:54 pm

>
> Todd--
> Can you elaborate on how the acrophases were determined? Did Bodenhausen
> use a previously validated measure of circadian cycles?  It's an
> interesting hypothesis he's put forth, but please give me more info!
> SF
>
> PS  For now, let's stick to Stephanie or SF, OK?


OK,

Stephanie,

I will check the reference, and get back to you soon with that ok?

---Todd
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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Tracy
The point I was trying to make is that we don't actually know why these
couples/friends are seen to be similar in attractiveness ratings.
Correlational data is not lesser, but in this case it leads one to forget
other factors.

Tammy
McMaster University,
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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From:         "JOHN R. KRAFT" <KRAFT@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)

Sorry about that last posting on bathroom behaviors.  I meant to
trash the post, but accidently sent it. (I hate when  that happens)

Let  me try again to communicate.

After reading all the recent postings about ethics and bathroom
studies, I got off my lazy keister, turned of  my computer and
went to the library.  Reading the Middlemist et al  study on personal
space invasion was a lot of fun. What a cute study!!

While reading the article, it felt as if someone had let a secret out
from the "good ole boys club".  Namely, that us guys tend to get a little
uptight when we pee next to each other. Except, of course, when we
are engaged in distance or duration contests.

Allow me to summarize some of the basic facts of the study for those
who weren't quite as motivated as me to read the article.
Middlemist et al, (1976), JPSP, v 33, p 541-46
Middlemist and his gang wanted to measure physical arousal resulting from
personal space invasion.  Personal space was invaded by a confederate
urinating either next to or one urinal down from the subject. A control
group was no confederate present. Physical arousal was defined as the
inhibited ability to relax the external urethral sphincter, which would cause
a delay in the onset of urination, and an increase in intravesical pressure,
which would cause a shortening of urination duration.  They hypothsized that
as personal space was invaded, there would a delay in urination onset and
a decrease in duration.  Their hypotheses were confirmed.

Pretty nifty if you as me. In case anyone was wondering as to how they could
be sure of onset and duration times, I'll tell you.  The experimenters
placed a prism type mirror above the subjects urinal and watched the
urine flow as they sat in a bathroom stall.  Not so nifty if you ask me.

So,  what does this have to with handwashing behavior, Betty?
Is handwashing going to be considered a coping mechanism for
personal space inavsion? I would be very happy to read about
your proposed extension, please repost your thoughts on matter.
Even if it is just for fun.

Bye everyone,
John R. Kraft
(Kraft@Northeastern.edu)
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From:         ECO_GXC@SHSU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: SES Measure for Kids

        Just as a concept for consideration. Most credit departments of
larger firms (and presumably credit bureaus) have lists which essentiall
"code" neighborhoods based on the economic class of the residents which are
used for the purposes of credit approval. If you were to couple the data
being supplied by the children with a cross reference to their address on
such a list, you would have a pretty good means of "weeding out" those cases
in which the responses didn't match the SES of the family.

        I would suspect that many larger firms would be very willing to
share that information with an academic institution for little or no cost as
a "good will" gesture in the community. Stores such as Sears, Wards, etc.
all have a tendancy to support local educational endeavors.

--
------this is called red-lineing and i suspect that if there really is
still any firms that do this they would not want to share the infor with
some academic.  If anything they would likely deny that they do it.
It would be a very non-PC thing to do.

Better would be go to the original source.  Most univerisities have computer
tapes from US Census which gives median household incomes at at least the
census tract level, sometimes at the block level.  Addresses can be
matched to these.  Economists do this all the time.

-- gary carson
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From:         "Paul Brunk [MSAI]" <pbrunk@AISUN1.AI.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      subscription

SUB PSYCGRAD-D Paul Brunk
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