HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Turning on bumpy roads
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>
>-> 40 mph is plenty fast enough to kill ya, boy, an' I go faster'n that
>-> every day.
>
> Stationary is fast enough to kill you, should some cager decide to run
>a stop sign you're sitting at.

Then you agree that you can go faster than "fast enough to kill you."

Which makes your original quote or whatever it was... dumb.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:31:16 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization:  

In article <1992Nov13.162055.29130@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> In article <1e0i62INN6eo@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 40937@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe) writes:
>>>In article <1drdatINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>>
>>>>In most states in the US, statutory rape laws forbid consentual sex
>>>>with any minor female (ie, under 18), and one can obtain a motorcycle
>>>>license at ~16.
>>>>
>>>ed, ed, ed.  you are projecting in a most seriously disturbing way here.
>>>Let me remind you that if both partners are minors, the statutory rape
>>>laws are silent. 
>>
>>mike, mike, mike.  you don't know what you are talking about.  Let me
>>assure you that statutory rape laws concern the age of the female
>>only.
>>
>>---
>>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
> 
> Ahem. My seester was at a party with her boyfriend. he = 17. she = 18.
> Cops busted in. She was charged w contributing to the sexual
> delinquincy(sp) of a minor. Mind you this is late 60's.
> No it wasn't the one that is now a cop.
> FYI

	Yes, well, my seester was bitten by a minor once... it was
reeely nassty.

	Bjorn says the telefon system isst vahry efficient.  Beautiful
fjords, alzo.

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)

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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:56:17 GMT

In article <1dh8eeINNn62@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.182247.22532@research.nj.nec.com>
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>	Choked to death by the EPA.
>
>Choked to death by the manufacturer.  Other manufacturers are
>capable of making bikes that are fast and quiet.  Harley
>chooses to make bikes that look nice.  They could make them
>fast and quiet if they were willing to fit larger mufflers.
>
>It was your own choice, Chris, to buy a machine that you knew would
>not perform to suit you without illegal modifications.

	My bike's exhaust is as it was when I bought the bike, save for
some roadrash from the "accident" and the stud I installed to hold the rear
pipe on better.

	While we're on the subject of illegal modifications, you do realize,
of course, that putting a less restrictive _air filter_ or a non certified
carburetor on the bike or even rejetting your own carb is an "illegal
modification."  In fact, putting SS brake lines on is an "illegal
modification," as most SS brake lines have not undergone DOT certification.

>>If trucks are going to be
>>pardoned, then motorcycles must be pardoned as well.
>
>If bikes were seen as vital to the nation's economy, as trucks are
>seen, this might make sense.  The truckers have more political
>influence than bikers do, and there are good reasons for it.
>I don't agree with all the results of the use of that influence,
>but that's a different issue.

	Bikes use less gas, cause less wear and tear on the roads, and
require much less in raw materials and energy to produce.  A mass migration
to motorcycles could then be interpreted as beneficial to the economy in
that it reduces dependence upon imported energy sources, no?

	As far as political influence goes, if the average biker would
get off his lazy a$$ and _do_ something in the political arena, then bikers
would hold more political clout than people realize.

	Let me say that I do not espouse the principle of "the louder the
better," but I also do not like the sound of most stock exhausts.  Even I
will agree that there is such a thing as "too loud," but my "too loud" is
louder than most people's "too loud."  Sigh.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF  1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Mechanic's challenge
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:28:29 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	Care to try your hand at "guess what's wrong with this moto"?

	My '84 FJ1100 (29K km) has just lately started doing something
which I can't figure out for the life of me.  It has happened three
times and it can't be reproduced on command.  I would appreciate any hints.

	Here's what happens:  The bike is just starting to get warm
(about 10 minutes on the road) on a pretty cold day (5 or 10 Celsius).
I'm cruising along in second gear at about 5k rpm.  Everything sounds
normal.  I back off on the gas to decelerate, the engine quiets as the
revs decrease.  But.....

	There is a high-pitched whine of something spinning at a constant
rate.  It continues to spin and whine until I've dropped to about 2k rpm
and then it "unsticks" (or whatever) and stops.  It's like something
that is supposed to be spinning fast because the engine is spinning fast
forgets to slow down when the engine does.  The last time I heard
it, I pulled the clutch and dropped the rpms to idle so I could hear
it better.  It lasted for several seconds.  It sounded like it was
coming from somewhere under the tank (ie. the motor's cam).  But it
was pretty hard to tell even though it was quite loud.

	I'm sufficiently well-versed in bike mechanics to be thoroughly
confused.  What could go on spinning at high speed when the bike is
decelerating, the engine is at idle and the clutch dis-engaged?  Note
that it didn't change pitch until it stopped which means it was not
directly related to my speed.  Also, neither brake was being used
at the time.

	Inquiring minds want hints.

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From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: 1991 Texas Motorcycle Facts
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:59:06 GMT

In article <4251@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.045219.23820@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:                                                
>>Hypothesis (and probably what the author was thinking): a thief who intends
>>to ride away on your bike must either carry a motorcycle helmet with him, or
>>risk being pulled over two blocks away.  It is conspicuous for a person to
>>walk down the sidewalk with a motorcycle helmet, so fewer theives pick
>>motorcycles to steal.
>>
>>Not to say that's the truth, only an hypothesis.
> 
>I'll only buy the hypothesis part - Unless there's a law that sez you can't
>carry a 'cycle helmet in public then in reality it would seem quite normal
>for someone with a helmet to walk up to a bike with intent to steal and 
>do so.  Okay, so he has to jimmy the ignition - who sez that the bike isn't
>yours/his or otherwise.  If I saw someone walk up to a bike with a helmet
>I'd naturally assume the bike belonged to the guy and if he had to hot wire 
>the ignition and I asked him about it what's to say that he would say that
>he lost the key?
>Granted, now I would have an identification of the person. But are YOU going
>to stand around and wait to see if someone that could potentially be the 
>REAL owner shows up? 
> 
I agree that if somebody walked out of a store carrying a helmet and went
right to a bike, I probably wouldn't think twice.  How would you feel if
you saw somebody get out of a cage carrying a helmet?  or walking down the
street?  I think the drop was due to spur of the moment type thefts.  Hey,
nice bike, let's see if we can hotwire it type.  

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:37:20
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
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I was asked by somebody about why a motorcyle has to be broken-in.
Although I kinda know why, I couldn't give a good answer.
Can you guys give a good convincing answer?

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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Keywords: this is not bait
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:16:03 GMT

In article <BxJ64v.73u@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu writes:
|
|I feel that the ERC is actually MUCH safer than the Basic course because the
|riders are on a bike that they know.  The safe limits for you and your machine
|have already been established, and you probably already have all of the skills
|taught.  

Well, yes, but I use the ERC for another purpose which sort of short-circuits
that safety.  I take an ERC whenever I get a new bike.  I think that it is a
GREAT familiarizer.  Of course, some riding on the new bike before the course
is in order, so that you don't, for instance, dump it on the max-braking
exercise.

I'm not so sure I want to take the RZ350, though.  No radiator fan.  I don't
think it would appreciate waiting in line for each exercise with the engine
running, and I don't like kick-starting quite THAT much.

Do you MSF instructors out there think they would give me any special consideration
on the range exercises, for this bike?

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: Legal Sexing Age (Was: Re: British rides)
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:06:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.071536.2307@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>
> ObMoto: I am redfaced as I admit that, although the Seca has been broken in
> mechanically, it has yet to be the site of an erotic event (other than the
> obvious joy I feel when aboard it, of course).
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 

I hope you remembered to buy the 1/2 tank bra made of easy-to-clean vinyl.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Uneven pavement
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:45:24 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <LOTTO.92Nov8080115@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu
(Jerry Lotto) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.091331.21581@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu
(Noemi Berry) writes:
>Noemi> haven't seen an answer on how to change to a lane that is 4" higher
>Noemi> than your current lane --
>
>rear wheel climbed the pavement edge suddenly and began moving in a
>straight ahead direction.  Because the front wheel was turned relative
>to the rear, the motorcycle turned sharply and the rider lost control.

Have you ever tried this yourself, Jerry?

What I usually do is to turn the front wheel hard towards
the rise in the pavement, and start turning it back towards
the straight-ahead position almost immediately: after the front
wheel has climbed up, but sometimes before the rear wheel
has.  This gets around the problem of not enough reaction
time to catch an incipient high-side when the rear wheel
gets traction while the front wheel is turned.

If you're too timid and don't turn the bars far enough,
you'll stay in the shoulder but otherwise be OK.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Helmet Laws
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.225732.14390@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>
>Ted Lyon, asshole originator of the Texas helmet law, also got the boot 
>this last election. Maybe there's hope here too.
>
I knew there was something I didn't like about that guy. Flush another one!

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: How long for a DoD?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:03:40 GMT

marrevola@iris-dcp.es writes:

>DoD guys, How long the KotL for a DoD?

That's a rather _personal_ question, isn't it?

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:56:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

> >I think I'll go home, repack my Muzzy, and remove a few disks. 
> 
> 	I thought only SuperTrapps had this feature.

The Muzzy for my XR uses suppertrapp plates on the end. 

To all those who claim it's still riding season, pppppptttttthhhhhhhh!
:-)
I think my 750 is trying to tell me something by being so damn
cold-blooded.  My truck on the other hand, seems to thrive on cold weather.
If only I had the SRX600 I've been dreaming of.  I'm sure that by the time 
I've got it kick started on a cold morning, at least I'd be well warmed.  

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
I'm OK, you're inflatable.
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:14:11 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

Sorry, part of my last reply didn't make it.

In article <1992Nov12.195442.7180@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.152905.13420@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>>A trained rider has a better chance of avoiding a collision than an untrained
>>rider (in theory anyway).  The primary purpose of a helmet is to reduce injury
>>in a collision.
>
>I agree with the statement about training.  But as for the primary
>purpose of a helmet, I can't agree.  Is  this part of the MSF
>curriculum?  Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet -- law or no law,
>but this has little to do with the crashworthiness of helmeted vs
>unhelmeted heads.  For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
>are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These
>include:
>	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
>	     Reducing noise fatigue
>	     Keepping my head warm/cool/un-sunburned  as required
>
>This helps me keep my concentration where it belongs.  For the record,
>I'm against helmet laws, seat-belt laws, and any other legislation
>designed primarily to protect *me* from *me*.
>>
No, my statement about the primary purpose (btw that word should have been
function) of a helmet is not part of the MSF curriculum.  A few years ago
references to motorcycle helmets included the word 'crash'.  Helmets have
evolved a great deal in the last couple decades but their primary function is
still to provide protection in a collision.  The ability to shed wind, etc.,
depends mostly on a face shield--optional equipment on some helmets.  Noise
reduction depends mostly on the face shield and comfort lining.  Keeping warm/
cool depends on comfort lining and ventilation.  Protection against the sun is
a default characteristic of a motorcycle helmet but I doubt it is a major
concern of helmet manufacturers.

Chas
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Silver lining if Clinton gets elected
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
: >I have never accused Bush of being a Conservative (tm) but the main
: >problem is the Democratic (read LIBERAL) congress.  Draft dodging?
: >I'm not saying it was a good war but neither did you.
: >By the way, if you Liberals are going to waste your time smoking pot,
: >I don't have statistics 
: >I loved hearing Gore criticize Bush 
: >Jack Waters II

In Oz, the  Liberals are a party on the left.  On the left of Ghengis
Khan. Just.  Mind you, they do claim  to support democracy.  Which is
obviously un-American :-)

--
"A carnival of misery so tragically our own,
 Where gathered 'round the ballot box we reap what we have sown"
               "These Festivals" Leunig, 1992

"Deception is a tool of government worldwide"
     ex-deputy premier David Parker, at the WA Inc Royal Commision.

"The trouble with America is that jerks like you end up running the
place"
      if you can place this quote you're either old or not hip :-)
--
Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au    KEEP ARNOTTS' PROFITS HERE
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:37:37 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com wrote:
: Recently, my wife and I saw a "Mercedes" motorcycle...The M-B name and logo
: were clearly on the machine, and it looked unlike any other bike I had ever
: seen.

i was parking my BMW one day, and some kid says to me,
"hey, why did you put the BMW car logo on your motorcycle?"

so maybe someone liked the MB logo....

just a guess.

-- hesh
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From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Corbin seat for SECA II
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:14:04 GMT

In article <BxEuw6.2s8@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>brad@.island.COM (Bradley Mabe) writes:
>
>>Yamaha has recently announced they are selling a corbin seat for the
>>SECA II.  Has anyone had an opportunity to check one of these out? 
>
>No, but it will be wide, flat and firm.

This is not always the case.  The corbin solo on my ninja is more
rounded on top than the stocker.  The center of the seat where it is
highest is very compliant making it quite comfortable.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: California SuperBike School (Road Atlanta)
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133013.19285@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh) writes:

Excellant write up!

> Just got back from California SuperBike School at road atlanta and thought
> I would share the experience with you.  First, if you get a chance, GO. 
> It is a rush!!
>
Yes, I'm jealous.  Maybe next year...

> Sports bikes are a lot of fun and I certainly can understand 
> why people like them so much. 
>
Yeah, but those 120 mph wheelies would be difficult to explain to the 
officers.  I've had might get mighty light at 70...I'll have to wait for
the CA Superbike School before trying the 120 ones.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:39:57 GMT
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:

> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
> >
> >Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
> >helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case. 
> >
> Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries on rec.moto comes
> from people quoting statistics but not citing sources?   1/2 :')
> 
> Seriously, I have never seen a study which supported this.  If you have
> one, and I doubt that you do, I'm sure everyone would like to see it
> to determine its validity (if any).  It is easy to get suckered into 
> something that seems reasonable and your statistic may certainly be
> true but there are so many random number generators out there and so
> few well thought out studies.  Sigh.

In rec.motorcycles, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

> > jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
> >helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case. 
> Actually, ALL fatal head injuries incurred by all riders have
> resulted in death.

Eric and Jack, 

Did you also know that the word gullible is not really in the dictionary?
Check it out.  

Two catches, but both from .edu sites.  I think that I'll have to throw
them back.  <sigh>

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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