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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:06:37 GMT

epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:

>In article <BEAULIEU.92Dec16084643@piranha.bose.com> beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu) writes:
>>
>>> Oh my god, first OpenLook and now UNIX.  Sun better remember what
>>
>>	Oh, you mean 'BrokenLook'.

>I wholeheartedly agree with this.  I mean, what is Sun's problem?  No one
>I know uses OpenLook or wants to.  The last several surveys I've seen
>showed that Motif on Suns are more popular than OpenLook on Suns.

At the LISA conference we had a Sun-Managers BOF.  I surveyed the
audience and asked a number of leading questions (hey, it was my BOF :-))

On the topic of what windowing systems do people use, it was a roughly
even split.  In a more detailed followup question, the people who used OW
were those who (a) had to because of the application needs (ie, had
3rd party or Sun S/W which required OW), or (b) lacked the time and/or
skill and/or political support to change to Motif or vanilla X.

On the topic of unbundled software, a large percentage of the audience
would prefer that OW became unbundled separately-priced software, so
they could save some money.  

Lest anyone jump up and claim "non-scientific sample", well, yeah.  But
it was a collection of folks who manage Suns, with far more commercial
sites present than academic.

There was a nice polite sun person in the audience who took voluminous
notes, so the word undoubtably got back.


For those who want more details, I will be scrounging thru my notes and
seeing what we come up with.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: DES chip
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:06:21 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bz6GLw.EI5@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <Bz44Ax.1Lx@fc.hp.com> subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>>Does anyone know where I can obtain a DES chip for a sun workstation?
>
>More to the point, why do you want one?  There's no software which uses

the ultra-paranoid claim that the only way to be sure that nothing is
tapping data is to have hardware handle the encryption. to add to your
point: you dont need the chip since des software is more or less readily
available.

.
.
jm..




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From: jclark@dac.org (Jamie H. Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: CD-ROM drive for Sparc
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:32:02 GMT
Organization: Deaf Amiga Club
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

Sun offers external 644-MB CD-ROM "SunCD" for SPARC machines and it cost
around $800.

I plan to use CD-ROM drive for Solaris 2.x on CD-ROM, AnswerBook (online docs)
and as well any ISO-9660 formatted discs.

The price seems too high since I could get bare-bones CD-ROM drive for
something like $200 to $350.

Will any type of CD-ROM drive works fine with SPARC machines?

If you have non-Sun CD-ROM drive that works fine with SPARC, let me know
the make and model, thanks.
--
Jamie H. Clark - jclark@dac.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: cleaning a SCSI tape drive - help requested
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:34:30 GMT


You should go to a computer store and by a cleaning kit.
The kit should recommend time intervals and the proper procedure.
From: ssrhines@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chris D. R. Hines)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.vmebus
Subject: Sun 3/160 VME bus backplanes
Summary: Does a Sun 3 VME back plane work
Keywords: VME 3/160
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:51:29 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


I can obtain a no working sun 3-160, faulty processor card. This sun has a
12 slot VME bus, 9U. I wish to use the sun box less the processor card for
some VME development work which I'm doing. I wish to use various cards
which are mainly made by Eltec (E16s & IPC). 

Is the Sun-3 backplane bug free? Is it free from the BBSY* line Glitches
and any other problems?


Please reply by email.

Many thanks,


Chris.


      ssrhines@uk.ac.rdg.cs.csug,  ssrhines@uk.ac.rdg
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From: sweh@spuddy.uucp (Stephen Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Replacement for Sun optical mouse wanted
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:42:57 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Have a bunch of Sun IPC's and people on them hate mice because of the desk
space they need, and especially hate the optical mice.
What I need is some equivalent method - eg something like the penpoint that
Microsoft have for portables, or a joystick; ie something that is static
on the desk or can attached to the keyboard.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?  Mail or news is fine (but I
sometimes lose news:-( )

Thanks  (UK or USA companies are fine - the end users are in Florida)
-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mitch@clsi.COM (Mitchell N. Perilstein)
Subject: Picky Shoebox
Organization: CAD Language Systems, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:19:07

I've got one of ye olde Model 511 SCSI shoeboxes, stock, with a 380m
Micropolis, a 60m tape, and two Emulex controllers.

The bloody thing will work fine on an SS1+ and on an IPC, but the tape
is not recognized on an ELC or a 3/80.  probe-scsi on the ELC only turns
up the disk.  Neither ELC nor 3/80 can boot from tape (device not found).
Same cable, etc.

Another wierness is that said footrest used to work with the same 3/80,
but no longer.  Why should it become choosy suddenly?

Hints GREATLY appreciated!!

TIA, 
---
 Mitchell N. Perilstein   CAD Language Systems, Inc.   410-992-5700 x225 
 Member, League for Programming Freedom.  Mail lpf@uunet.uu.net for info.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jd@mars.nwc.navy.mil (John de la Garrigue)
Subject: Re: How do I tell the model of a Sparc
Reply-To: jd@mars.nwc.navy.mil
Organization: Science Applications International Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:51:29 GMT

In article 11309@sol.ctr.columbia.edu, yjj@neptune.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>I have a couple of remote sites which I can submit my calculation
>jobs to.  I'd like to know whick is more powerful than the others
>so that I always run the jobs on the fastest machine.  but how
>do I know what model  or how powerful these remote computers are without
>a chance to see their model plates.


If you're running on Sun machines, you can use "dmesg" to get basic information
about the system, such as cpu type, amount of core memory installed, type of
tape and disk drives connected, etc.  I use a program called "sysinfo" that 
also provides this information, and formats it in a more readable fashion.

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My views are not necessarily those of my employer, the US government,
or anyone else for that matter.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: Token Ring for Sun IPX
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:31:32 GMT


There is a Sun Token Ring Card for Sparc Systems 
It will function in 4 or 16Mbit modes.
Minimum required SunOs is 4.4.1

Matthew Cortes
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:6211 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33010
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ??? SUN color monitor on IBM-PC?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:31:59 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cobra.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <2478@alderan.sdata.de> chris@alderan.sdata.de (Christoph Splittgerber) writes:
>In article <1992Dec3.173616.15742@pt.com> rkd@pt.com (Ray Downes) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec1.151118.1@ttd.teradyne.com> nguyen@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
>
>>I'd like any info on this as well.
>
>Me too ! :-)

I've thought about this for a while, and my conclusion is that it may
be possible, but it would take a lot of work.

The problem, of course, is that workstation monitors are fixed-sync.
So first you need to get the sync frequencies out of the manufacturer, which
may be hard to do.  

Then you need a PC video card that goes at the right clock rate.

Now, there are some PC video cards with programmable clock synthesizers;
that is, you do not have to choose within a fixed set of clock frequencies,
you can make up your own.  Diamond makes these; so do, I believe, STB.
Diamond will not tell you how to program them, but reportedly STB will.

I am not sure whether such synthesizers will have a low enough granularity
to work with a fixed-sync monitor.  And there is also the question of sync
polarity, etc; and you'll probably have to wire up your own connector.

Suppose all these issues are solved.  Then you have to get software that
will actually run on the damned thing.  If you run MS-Windows, you will
have to write your own Windows driver.  Not easy.  If you run X-Windows, you
will have to hack up someone else's X driver.  A little easier, but still
not a two-hour project.

So, yes, you probably can.  And no, it's probably not worth it.

c
From: meluto@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Mitchell Eluto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: condition codes on Sun-3/80
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:10:59 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I am working with a light-weight threads package, and I am trying to fix
a problem with the context-switching on a Sun-3/80.  I would like to use
an asm statement in C++ to restore the condition codes.  However,I cannot
find the mnemonic or special asm command to save a value into the condition
codes. I am using Release 1.2 and Release 2 of AT&T C++.  

Please send any suggestions to meluto@csugrad.cs.vt.edu

Thanks,

Mitchell Eluto
Undergraduate Research Assistant
Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept.
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Price for a used Sun 3/50
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:30:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article <jjira.724143879@crash.cts.com> jjira@crash.cts.com (James Jira)
writes:

|  What is a good price for a Sun 3/50?
|  I don't Know the specs or exact configuration right now.

At this past week's Sun User Group show in San Jose, CA, Minicomputer Exchange
had a booth in the display area and I seem to recall the prices being around
$500-$800.

You may wish to contact them:

	Minicomputer Exchange
	610 N. Pastoria Ave.
	Sunnyvale, CA  94086
	Voice: 408/733-4400
	FAX: 408/733-8009

I was more interested in the prices of Sony Trinitons and didn't commit their
entire catalog to memory!  :-)

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin)
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Keywords: Enterprising opportunity
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:37:21 GMT

emike@sdc.com (E. Mike Durbin) writes:

>My $.02:

>It is in everyones BEST interest, including Sun's, for this transition
>to be put behind us.  Waffling between Solaris 1.x and 2.x helps
>no one.  Even if you don't like Solaris 2.x, ONE supported OS (with
>all the apps migrated) is better than a mixed up world with some apps
>running in one environment and others only running in the other.

Exactly.  And until all of our apps are ported to 2.x, and we're given
free upgrades to those apps, 2.x is useless to us and we can't switch.
Since it looks like it's going to be a while before that happens, we
need 4.1.x on the new machines.

Larry
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 23:48:32 CET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: DAT drive on Sun
From: Stefan Schiffer <schiffer@swe.uni-linz.ac.at>
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXMessage-ID: <A74ED6E480022A2A@stefan.mac.swe.uni-linz.ac.at>
X-XXDate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:38:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Universitaet Linz, Austria

In article <1992Dec07.211059.26049@dlogics.com> John Sasso,
jfs@dlogics.com writes:
>I have a generic 4mm DAT tape drive connected to the SCSI of my
>Sparc ELC, running 4.1.3.  It seems to work fine, except that I can
>only get about 600MB per tape instead of 1.2GB.  I'm using Maxell DM60
>tapes.  I get the exact same responce whether I use rst0 or rst8
>(Sun's suggestion, "high density driver").  Does anyone have any
>suggestions?  (Besides buying an 8mm!)
>
>John F Sasso



In "Installing and Configuring HP35470/80A DDS Tape Drives" HP writes:

"Other Hints for SUN

When using the "cpio" command, be sure to set the block size option (-B)
so
that you use a block size of 5120 or greater. This will improve
performance
significantly.

When using the "dump" command, set the tape size (-s) and density (-d)
parameters
to 15000. This will allow you to fill a 90m tape. The defaults for the
"dump"
command are setup for QIC drives, and will result in storing only about
600 Mbytes."

I may add, that for 60m tapes a tape size of 10000 works fine and that a
block size
of 5120 did not show any improved performance when using dump.


Stefan Schiffer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.lang.c,comp.decom.isdn,comp.decom.telecom
From: andres@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jeff Andres)
Subject: Wanted:"C" Driver for Sparc/488
Organization: Loral Space & Range Systems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:49:16 GMT

Hi I'm posting this for a friend and if I've sent this to the wrong
newsgroups I'm sorry but I did a grep to find the Best groups by title
and I decided on the above.

Ken requests a C driver for a Sun Sparc for the 488 port. The port is
going to connect up with a Link Analyzer made by Decomm (model ???).
Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Email to kengin@scf1.scf.loral.com
or myself.

Cheers
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:16:47 GMT
Reply-To: dj@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes

In article 724397841@dayton.Stanford.EDU, lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:
>emike@sdc.com (E. Mike Durbin) writes:
>
>>My $.02:
>
>>It is in everyones BEST interest, including Sun's, for this transition
>>to be put behind us.  Waffling between Solaris 1.x and 2.x helps
>>no one.  Even if you don't like Solaris 2.x, ONE supported OS (with
>>all the apps migrated) is better than a mixed up world with some apps
>>running in one environment and others only running in the other.
>
>Exactly.  And until all of our apps are ported to 2.x, and we're given
>free upgrades to those apps, 2.x is useless to us and we can't switch.
>Since it looks like it's going to be a while before that happens, we
>need 4.1.x on the new machines.
>
>Larry


Or buy the older machines, which already run 4.1.x...........

It's a really simple buying decision... If you need 4.1.x, buy an IPC/ELC/IPX/SS2
or SS10/20 or SS10/30....

If your applications run on Solaris 2.x, then you can buy a Classic or and LX...

Maybe you should ask your application suppliers to hurry up with their porting
so you can make use of the new low cost machines.... And if they give you enormous
lead times, ask *them* why they are making *you* pay more for *their* applications
(albeit indirectly in the hardware cost). It's not as if (a) Solaris 2.x is unavailable or (b) that no development tools exist.... and it's not as if they never had any warning that Solaris 2.x was coming... they've only had what 2 years of "SunOS 5.0 is coming and here is what you should be doing now to be ready for it..."

Don't ask Sun why they aren't supporting SunOS 4.x on the LX and Classic.
Ask application vendors why they haven't ported their applications to Solaris 2.x.

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Newsgroups: nrl.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: SCSI-2 on Sun SPARC 10
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:28:14 GMT

>Does anyone know of any problems using the SCSI-2 on a SPARC 10 ?  I am getting some
>conflicting stories.

In keeping with the Usenet tradition of posting articles when you don't
know what the hell you're talking about, let me say this:

I think Sun took a gamble trying to do single-ended Fast SCSI and it's turning
out not to work too well.  Maybe you can do it with just an internal drive and
one external on a 1/2 meter cable and an active terminator or FPT, but if you
want to do Fast SCSI, I think you should just get a separate Sbus differential
SCSI host adapter and buy peripherals with differential SCSI.


-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: sjh@cantor.math.purdue.edu (Steve Holmes)
Subject: Memory capacity of 670MP?
Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:11:43 GMT

My appologies if this has been covered before.  I can't seem to find
how much memory I can put into my 670MPs.  Can anyone out there
tell me? We have 128MB in each now, but would like to increase it.  
I would rather not take one of the machines down and count the
simm slots.

Thanks,

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From: dwf@doug.Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Adding RAM to SS10?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:34:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwf@doug.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: doug

In article 22229@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov, karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov (Karl A. Anderson) writes:
>When adding RAM to an SS10/30, how many SIMMs must be added at a time?  In other
>words, if I want to add 16MB, can I buy just one 16MB SIMM?  TIA.
>
The hardware can be upgraded in 1 SIMM increments. Wether we sell the SIMMs one
at a time I don't know.

-Doug
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: koch@eis.cs.tu-bs.de (Andreas Koch)
Subject: SBUS&cards specifications?
Organization: TU Braunschweig,Informatik,EIS,West Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:00:26 GMT

Where can I get the information needed to develop 
extension cards & drivers for SUN4 workstations?

Thanks in advance,
	Andreas Koch
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/60 / Archive QIC-150 boot problems
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:01:52 GMT


You may have a cable or controller problem in your shoebox. Try reseating your internal cables in
the shoebox.

Good Luck 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Advice for an 8 bit frame grabber?
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:34:50 GMT


Can someone provide advice/recommendations for an 8 bit frame grabber for the
Sun?  I recently purchased the VideoPix board but this board only provides
7 bit images.  I do not need real time acquisition capabilities.  The lower
the cost, the better.  However, experience with any frame grabbing board would
be appreciated.

Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive for Sparc
In-reply-to: jclark@dac.org's message of 18 Dec 92 02:32:02 GMT
Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:52:37 GMT

In article <jclark.0xgp@dac.org> jclark@dac.org (Jamie H. Clark) writes:

   Sun offers external 644-MB CD-ROM "SunCD" for SPARC machines and it cost
   around $800.
...
   Will any type of CD-ROM drive works fine with SPARC machines?

I grabbed a CD-ROM drive we had on a SGI to install Solaris on a Sparc 2.  SUN
CD's would boot (with SCSI address 6) and the SUN could find the directories,
files, etc.  However, the installation from the non-Sun CD drive failed in the
extract script with mini-root installed and the disk re-formatted.  
(PANIC CITY!!!)

Apparently there is a special EPROM (?) needed to work with a Sun. (And
maybe each other workstation).  

Anyway, generic CD drives won't probably work. Ask your vendor if they have a
drive that works with a Sun (references?) or can modify the drive to work with
a Sun.  If they insist that no such modifications are needed get a new vendor
or make them demonstrate that you can do an install from the drive.

P.S. I was trying to use was a Toshiba from an SGI.  I eventually swiped a SUN
CD drive from another SUN at work to install SOLARIS.
--
   John C. Schultz   +1 (612) 733-4047   schultz@halley.serc.3m.com
   How to include the taste of Glendronach in a multi-media system?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: john@sol.cs.wmich.edu (John Kapenga)
Subject: Re: How well do Sun 3/60s work as color X terminals?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:40:01 GMT

In article <1gmihuINNshd@wintermute.phys.psu.edu>, kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:
> In article <smith.724473709@phylo> smith@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
> >  We use them with Xkernel and they work just fine.  Performance is identical
> >(as far as I can tell) to an SS1 running Openwindows.
> 
> Ugh, that bad, eh? (half :-) )
> 
> --Ken
It appears to me using a new gcc and X11R5, the 3/60 are a lot faster
then the SS1s
john

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