From: ctjmrr@daimi.aau.dk (Claus Torp Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Euro^3 and NON-US Empire Greats?
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:49:45 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.104344.11823@daimi.aau.dk>, ctjmrr@daimi.aau.dk (Claus Torp Jensen) writes:

>|> For another: There are far more US-players than non-US players, so saying
>|> something like 80% of the best players are US doesn't exactly impress me.....
>|> maybe 80% of ALL Empire players are US-players......

>That doesn't change my point, though.  Whether we're talking about the
>majority of the best players or the majority of all players, 'the needs of
>the many outweigh the needs of the few' (to steal a quote).

>|> Now down to business:
>|> 
>|> I hereby officially challenge REdline to prove his claim (this is the part
>|> that my wife and child won't like......:( ):

>If players accepted the challenges of every little FODDER that came along,
>they'd never have any time to play in the regular games.  The good players
>usually have nothing to gain by accepting these challenges either.  There's
>a big investment of time and when they win, nobody cares if they beat some
>FODDER head-to-head.  Often the game is never completed because one of the
>sides bails out due to lack of time, etc, etc....

Who are you to call me FODDER. You haven't played against me either.....
And I WON'T bail out if such a game ever starts.....I just need to have
a real life as well......

>|> BUT the conditions of the game need to be such, that I have a chance to
>|> perform as best I can.
>|> Which means:
>|> 
>|> ROTATING UPDATES (yes, I know Redlien thinks those sthink...but if he wants
>|> to claim he is better than someone we need equal terms).
>|> AT LEAST 6 DAYS BETWEEN UPDATES (I simply can't manage anymore....
>|> I PROMISED my wife this would be the last Empire game for some time).
>|> 
>|> And I need to wait some time before this challenge game can start......
>|> I am currently playing the ALberta Invitational.....I need that to
>|> finish first, and I need my wife to calm down after that one....:)
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Now some additional comments:
>|> 1) A one-one challenge will NEVER prove who is the better player in an
>|>    ordinary game, but just maybe it will settle this criticism of NON-US
>|>    players.

>Nice of you to add this all too common disclaimer: "Even if you do win, 
>you're STILL not better than me!"

All I meant was, that being a good Empire player is more than being able
to win a one-one match......diplomacy is a great part of the game too.
And being able to dedicate the time to run a huge coutnry......and....
I could go on for quite some time. Most of these abilities you wont need
in a one-one match.

>No one was really cricizing non-US players, anyway.  It's just a common
>opinion that it's fair to more people if update schedules are catered to
>US players rather than to the minority of non-US players.

I do NOT agree with you on this point. Redline was definitely critisizing
non-US players....I reread his post several times, and it always come out
the same......

>|> Claus/The King of Graahoeje
>|> (maybe not the best of Empire players but at least I have my pride)


>-----
>T. Andy Frakes (tafrakes@athena.mit.edu)
>(a.k.a. Ultima)
>-----


Claus/The King of Graahoeje