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Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Makeup, Cosmo, Ms. and car paint.
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:41:20 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <1992Apr8.161950.10598@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu>, bev@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Beverly Huntsberger) writes:
> In <1992Apr6.133153.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>>  American women spend 50 billion dollars a year on beauty products
> 
>    I wanted to comment on that one line:
>    American publishers spend 100 billion dollars a year on
>    beauty industry advertisements in magazines alone.
> 
> 	How about we outlaw the advertisement industry until
> 	we solve the poverty, education, violence, addictions
> 	and infrastructure problems?


  How do they cover that 50 billion a year LOSS?   :)

  I think that 100 billion covers ALL advertising, not just beauty products.

  However, your intentions are good. It would be nice to spend some of
that same cash in more socially productive areas. However, as long as
people sit in their living rooms, surrender their minds to the TV, and drool
like Pavlov's dogs at Paco Raban, 501's and Chia Pets, the advertising 
industry will flourish.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com Homo Cyberneticus-Computational Man  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  Don't get me wrong. Advertising been vedy, vedy, good to me! I make   |
|  pretty, pretty picture for TV on computer. Win trophy. Get money.     |
|  Buy bigger computer, make more pretty picture! Good JuJu!  :)         |
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Newsgroups: soc.women
From: ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: A rather peculiar letter.
Followup-To: soc.women,soc.men,talk.rape,talk.abortion
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:42:11 GMT

mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>rstevew@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>
>>>I am puzzled by your sig. having pro-choice anti-Roe. These would seem
>>>to be opposites in common usage. Please explain.
>>
>>I'm in favor of a woman having the ability to choose abortion, against
>>the idea that this is mandated by the Constitution.
>>
>
>What is the consensus on the net for a national abortion law?
>
	Noooo!
	
	Please be cautious.  This thread has nothing to do with science
	fiction.  I know that the original line came from rec.arts.sf-
	lovers, but please remove rec.arts.sf-lovers from the
	newsgroups line when responding to this thread.  Thanks.

	Ted Ying			ted@welch.jhu.edu

#include <std.disclaimer.h>

	Tommy Thrush: "Captain Buffalo, I'm hungry, can we eat now?"
	Captain Buffalo: "Well, alright Tommy, how about here?  They
		have a special on Buffalo Wings."
	Tommy: "Can I get the Mud-pie?  It comes with a special Mudman
		action figure!"
	Captain Buffalo: "Hmmmm...."
From: rh@smds.UUCP (Richard Harter)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Human Sex (was Re: Maternity Leave and Child Benefits)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:24:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SMDS Inc., Concord, MA

In article <1992Apr3.235913.13905@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, rpetsche@mrg.PHYS.CWRU.Edu (Rolfe G. Petschek) writes:

> Well humans seem to be designed with "sex" as a multi-purpose thing, not
> 'just' reproduction but also "pair bonding".  There are a large number
> of examples of biological organs and activities which have several
> purposes (e.g. a mouth is to breath, talk, and eat through).

Interesting juxtaposition...

-- 
Richard Harter: SMDS Inc.  Net address: rh@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398 
US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742.    Fax: 508-369-8272
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: Florida baby
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:25:46 GMT

In article <641@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>/Exceptions being anencephalic babies born with no cerebrum, literally,
>/no brain, like the one in Florida which died yesterday after Fla. law
>/made the parents wait for it to die instead of harvesting organs.
>/Florida is populated by some really nutty crackers.
>
>For once, the judiciary did the right thing. They applied the law, and under
>the law the baby clearly was not brain-dead. The law is wrong, however, and

What I wonder in this case is this:  why on earth did the hospital
hook the baby up to life-support equipment?  My guess is that in many
if not most of these cases, "heroic" life-sustaining intervention is
simply not attempted and the babies are allowed to die quickly.  

Sue
From: radzy@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Omelan Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: men/women and females/males -- be consistent!
Date: 16 Apr 1992 01:47:33 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr16.010604.29620@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
> ... women, and ...
> 
> ... males in that ...
> ... women, ...
> ... men, and make ...
> 
> (I say males intentionally, for it covers both men and boys).

Leon -- shame on you!

If you want to cover both men and boys, then the implication is
that you don't want to cover both women and girls -- just the
women.  This came from the "Petition on Gender Violence" thread,
so you're making it sound like you want to protect everyone except
(young) girls.

I know that isn't what you meant to say.  At least, I *HOPE*
that isn't what you meant to say.  The issue of the terms
male/female, men/women, and boys/girls is a serious one, and
you have shown that you don't understand what the issue is
about.

Be consistent, dammit!  I don't care if you use men/women or
if you use females/males.  Just be consistent!

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	-- radzy			|  do as ye will.
					|
	Tim Omelan Radzykewycz     	|  "Just pray for a
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  tough hide and a
					|  tender heart."
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu	|    -- Ruth Graham
					|
------------------------------------------------------------

This is the place to put a joke, so that my posting isn't
seen as being too harsh.  I'm lousy at jokes, though.  You
should be *glad* I didn't put one in.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: shay@osiris (George Shay)
Subject: Re: Dating advice from men
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:37:20 GMT

I also prefer straight forward 'yes' or 'no'. Sincrrely answers do not hurt
anybody. If someone feels being hurted because he was turned down by a
woman, he is not man enought to face the truth in life. I like to face the
truth in life, even though it is bloody, cruel.
False answers give me the hope first, and all of a sudden all my dreams is
broken in to pieces. It realy HURTS.

Xref: sparky soc.women:8634 alt.fan.q:389
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.fan.q
Subject: Re: feminists are bad in bed (was: Lust, Violence, Pornograpy, and Rape ( was a letter )
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr4.043540.13790@access.digex.com> deja-q@access.digex.com (Lin Yon Q) writes:

>Here we go again.  I leave the group for a bit, come back and you STILL
>HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING!  Why can't you just ignore the idiotic DWEEBS
>whose only thing in common with sex is they have the equipment.  They
>BAIT you, and you fall for it every single time.  What are you, as STUPID
>as they are?

>Jesus Christ.  What the hell are you trying to prove, responding to pock
>marked geeks with penny loafers, pocket protectors, and think that taking
>a shower is sprinkling a little "shower to shower" under their festering
>armpits.  The closest thing they've ever seen to a woman is the toilet
>seat that one of those evil feminists (who probably only urinate once every
>full moon) used last easter.  The same snotty nosed acne faced geekoids that
>nobody would pick in the volleyball games.  The sniveling, drooling, buck
>toothed mommy's boys who went to the school dance with their equally
>sniveling, drooling, buck toothed sister.  
	
	Oh gee golly gee.  WHO are you trying to tell people they shouldn't
be friendly to one another? You speak about these "DWEEBS" as if you know
about them from personal experience. Hey!!! Cut it out, BE NICE AND PLAY 
WITH THE OTHER CHILDREN BEFORE YOU GET SENT TO YOUR ROOM WITHOUT DINNER!
Hope to see "nicer" comments from you in the future.

						Mikeey
				    mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

PS Are you a women-hater? :)

>GET A CLUE!  Ignore these sexually frustrated imbiciles.  

>Q
Xref: sparky soc.women:8954 soc.men:8436 talk.rape:897 talk.abortion:15186 rec.arts.sf.misc:1425
From: debry@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,talk.rape,talk.abortion,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A rather peculiar letter: Problem
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:18:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun13.8076
Reply-To: debry@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry)
Followup-To: soc.women
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Apr5.223636.4951@aber.ac.uk> dmf@aber.ac.uk (Darren Michael Forbes) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.115601.11254@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
]>
]>As long as the censors keep trying to protect folks, 
]>there will be those who will cross post agressively
]>to get around the censors.....
]>
]>
]>ciao
]>drieux
]>
]>
]>ps: think of it as your little contribution to
]>the maintenance of a free world.
]
]The problem with this is of course that the censors will one day get around
]to censoring rec.arts.sf.misc and problibly rec.arts.sf.* just in case.
]   If you keep posting to these groups the poeple that want to read them
]will lose them and that isn't fair on the sf fans in the countries
]with censors.  Sorry but that's the way it goes.
>
>-- 
>Darren Forbes  | "Wooden mice know what's nice;    |
>dmf@uk.ac.aber |  sawdust cheese and maple spice." | 
>dmf@aber.ac.uk |           - The Bones Of The Moon |


I get it!  The way to keep Big Brother from bothering us is to do
nothing that will attract His attention!  Very clever!

Ron DeBry
From: Mobilization for Survival <mobenat@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.women
Date: 08 Apr 92 06:08 PDT
Subject: Sisters in Stuggle Conf.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1477200002:000:1035
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mobenat    Apr  8 06:08:00 1992


From: Mobilization for Survival <mobenat>
Subject: Sisters in Stuggle Conf.

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   A Multi-cultural, Multi-national Women's Conference

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Newsgroups: soc.women
From: lstewart@watserv1.waterloo.edu (L. Stewart -- IS      Office 1058)
Subject: Re: Petition on Gender Violence
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.185349.23588@lmpsbbs.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.173624.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>
>)  I cannot sign this petition, even though I am opposed to violence against
>)women, on the grounds that this petition, as written, addresses violence 
>)against women to the exclusion of violence directed against men.
>
>Ditto.
>

and ditto
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: men/women and females/males -- be consistent!
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:02:52 GMT

In article <simblINN11i@agate.berkeley.edu>, radzy@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Omelan Radzykewycz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.010604.29620@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
>> ... women, and ...
>> 
>> ... males in that ...
>> ... women, ...
>> ... men, and make ...
>> 
>> (I say males intentionally, for it covers both men and boys).
>
>Leon -- shame on you!
>
>If you want to cover both men and boys, then the implication is
>that you don't want to cover both women and girls -- just the
>women.  This came from the "Petition on Gender Violence" thread,
>so you're making it sound like you want to protect everyone except
>(young) girls.

No, I didn't write or chose the wording of the petition, and I'm not
in the habit of changing the wording of other people's posts.

>I know that isn't what you meant to say.  At least, I *HOPE*
>that isn't what you meant to say.  The issue of the terms
>male/female, men/women, and boys/girls is a serious one, and
>you have shown that you don't understand what the issue is
>about.

Of course that's not what I meant.  But feel free to make a big
deal out of nothing.  How can anyone think that anyone else thinks 
that violence against women, men, and boys is to be condemned,
but it's OK against girls?  

>Be consistent, dammit!  I don't care if you use men/women or
>if you use females/males.  Just be consistent!

Look, the original post was about violence against WOMEN. I kept
that language.  Some people object to the term 'male' because it
is also used to refer to male animals.  If I said males, and didn't
explain why, I'd get flamed.  'Men' is the correct term.
But 'Men' is not commonly used to refer to minors, and many times
minors are victims of violence that is directed at minors (child-abuse).
And there is a tendency among some people who take violence against
women/females seriously to ignore and/or minimize the same kind of violence 
against men/males.  And I can document this. 

I think that the dichotomy between violence against children and
violence against adults just doesn't hold.  They are continuous,
and frequently part of the same problem.   So some of the stuff
that the UN considers as child-abuse is 'Violence against Women'
(according to the petition) and vice versa. e.g. child prostitution.


>------------------------------------------------------------
>					|  An it harm none,
>	-- radzy			|  do as ye will.
>					|
>	Tim Omelan Radzykewycz     	|  "Just pray for a
>	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  tough hide and a
>					|  tender heart."
>	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu	|    -- Ruth Graham
>					|
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>This is the place to put a joke, so that my posting isn't
>seen as being too harsh.  I'm lousy at jokes, though.  You
>should be *glad* I didn't put one in.


Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: bev@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Beverly Huntsberger)
Subject: Re: Makeup, Cosmo, Ms. and car paint.
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:19:50 GMT

In <1992Apr6.133153.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:


>  American women spend 50 billion dollars a year on beauty products

   I wanted to comment on that one line:
   American publishers spend 100 billion dollars a year on
   beauty industry advertisements in magazines alone.

	How about we outlaw the advertisement industry until
	we solve the poverty, education, violence, addictions
	and infrastructure problems?
bah
-- 
-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Just read his lips:
Now, he wants us to believe in the "tooth fairy".
-	-	-	-	-	-	-
From: albert2@sevenlayer.cs.wisc.edu (Sarah Ullman)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: LOS ANGELES AREA WOMEN ONLY, SORRY FOR USA POSTING
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:15:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Psychology Dept

THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENT IS FOR LOS ANGELES AREA WOMEN ONLY:
--------------------------------------------------------------

Have you ever felt pressured or forced to have sexual intercourse or
other sexual experiences when you did not want to?

Female volunteers age 18 or older who had this experience at least  
1 year ago are needed for an anonymous 45 minute mail survey.

Please call Dr. Sarah Ullman at the Department of Psychology at UCLA
(310)-825-9125
Newsgroups: tcd.talk,soc.women,soc.men,talk.rape,talk.abortion,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: krista@jarthur.claremont.edu (Krista Shufelt)
Subject: Re: A rather peculiar letter.
Keywords: abortion
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:11:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.155143.23577@sbcs.sunysb.edu> 
lischmid@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:

>How about looking at it from a speculative fiction way, if you feel it
>must be here at all?  Say...what would the country be like if abortion
>was totally outlawed?  What kind of underground society would spring
>up to make sure it could happen, and what sort of Morality Police
>would be around to make sure it didn't?
>
>(Now there's a story idea for someone...)

Try James Tiptree Jr., in her collection _Crown_of_Stars_.  It contains a
very chilling story of a worst case scenario where abortion is outlawed, and
population pressure forces society into some desparate measures that look
good on the surface...

--krista

krista@jarthur.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: <None>
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:42:51 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lems

In article <1992Apr2.180644.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, holzman@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.102840.1@mdcbbs.com>, rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:
>>> They do.  Perhaps if you actually paid attention to what feminists in general
>>> say, rather than what the media feeds you about feminism, you'd know that.  Get
>>> a subscription to _Sojourner_.
>> 
>>   But the general populations impression of feminism is what the media
>> portrays. If you sit around and expect everyong to subscribe to your magazines
>> and do their own homework, then feminism WILL be dominated and controlled by
>> those feminists who DO use the media to get their particular message out.
> 
> If you wish to make statements about what feminists do and don't do, then it is
> up to you to research what feminists are doing.  I found out about Ms.
> Magazine's problems with the cosmetics industry by reading the Chicago Tribune.
> 

  But the vast majority of people out there are not researching for a posted
article. They are receptors; they have more important things to do than go
to the library and search for your magazine reference. They are the 
VOTERS and SPENDERS of the society. If you wish to reach them with a 
message about what is and is not feminism (and any movement ignores them
at it's peril) , the burden remains on you as communicator. 

  I use to attend a lot of Art Gallary openings aong Melrose, where there
would be displayed very expensive artwork that seemed (to my plebian menality)
to signify an infinite deal of nothing. If I asked an artist what his or
her work meant, the response was usually the "If you can't SEE it, then you
don't know art". Of course, what was happening was a lot of insecure artists
hiding behind artistic pretentions. Most attendees, rather than be viewed
as somehow inferior, would applaud and admire the Emperor's new statue.

  One good thing about the recession is that it cleared these flakes out of the
local art community, leaving more room for the real talents. The lesson
of this is simple. If you take on the mantle of communicator, any failure
to communicate is YOURS. You cannot blame your audiance if they don't
understand what you are saying, and just dismissing them because they haven't
read the correct books and magazines is a cop-out royale!


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|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com Homo Cyberneticus-Computational Man  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Newsgroups: soc.women
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Subject: Re: abortion is a women's issue
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:39:40 GMT

In <1992Apr17.011218.2259@risky.ecs.umass.edu> shortell@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Laurel L Shortell) writes:

>In article <carol.703398081@ee.uts.EDU.AU>, carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>> ABORTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEN!

>What you say does not address her statement. What you say
>addresses the issue of male legislation concerning abortion.
>Two different issues.

The status of my child/future child/potential child is a direct concern of
mine.  How can it not be?

Ken
Xref: sparky soc.women:9066 talk.rape:928
Newsgroups: soc.women,talk.rape
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: rape laws (was Re: fraternities)
Organization: Dynamic Graphics Project, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:09:49 GMT

01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>If the DA is ignoring broken laws, then he/she should not be in office.

This is silly.  There are many unenforced laws.  Law is as much a system of
knowing what's usually done as it is of knowing what the law says.  And you're
posting from here in Canada too, where many years ago Trudeau, then the Prime
Minister, said to the media that he thought smoking pot was okay if you do it
at home... nevertheless possession of pot remains a serious offense
theoretically, but it is rarely prosecuted.  There's an assortment of books out
there published for entertainment purposes about stupid laws which are laws but
obviously never enforced.

Those of us interested in fighting against rape have to realize that the remedy
for non-enforcement of rape laws is not to argue that the laws should be
enforced just because they're laws, but rather to argue that the laws should be
enforced because rape is a terrible thing.
From: btwomey@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (william.tw0mey)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Male Bashing and Abortion
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.053003.2372@ducvax.auburn.edu> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
...
>I must've missed something.  Women can get pregnant without a donation from
>a male?  Ah! I see my "Spore Theory" is still intact! :)
   ^^^^
Last I heard, humans were not fertile with other species.
So in this case, you have to drop the politically correct term,
go for accuracy (shudder), and use the evil word, "man". 
Although "boys" can donate as well.

>Ken

Not that Ken made this mistake intentionally.

Very truly yours,
Bill
-- 

bt@violin.att.com

"Sed is the assembly language of shell tools" - me
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.fan.q