HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roder@cco.caltech.edu (Brenda J. Roder)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: posting to more than one newsgroup
Keywords: posting startrek tv
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:43:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:

>	I want to post something related to STAR TREK. I would like to post
>	it to both "rec.arts.tv", and "rec.arts.startrek". When I use the "p"
>	command it lists in square brackets the group I'm in, but that's it.
>	I'm not sure where I should be inserting the other groups. Perhaps
>	there is a default command.

Presumably, the thing in square brackets is the default you will get on
the Newsgroup line if you hit return.  I assume you can type in the 
newsgroup line instead at that point.  To post to more than one group,
the Newsgroup line should have the name of the groups separated by commas 
(but no spaces).  For instance:

Newsgroups [rec.arts.startrek]: rec.arts.startrek,rec.arts.tv

Note: I am only guessing the exact look of the prompt you mention since you
did not say what newsreader you are using.

Note2: I am only assuming that you can enter any valid newsgroup line at
that prompt since you didn't say what newsreader you are using.

Note3: It is very important not to put a space after the comma separating
the newsgroup names.



-- 
-- Brenda (roder@cobalt.caltech.edu)
Thought before action, if there's time.
    _The Edge_  Dick Francis
Newsgroups: news.answers,rec.games.video
From: ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org (David Dodell)
Subject: Map update: ofa123.fidonet.org
        news-newsites@zeus.ieee.org.enuucp!ncar!ofa123.fidonet.org
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:23:14 GMT


#N	ofa123, f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org, f200.n103.z1.fidonet.org
#F	ics.uci.edu
#S	386 25Mhz, PC Dos 5.0 on Novell Netware LAN 3.11
#O	Universal Electronics Inc.  (One For All Remote Controls)
#C	Rick Ellis
#E	ofa123!postmaster
#T	+1 714 939-7823
#P	1560 S. Sinclair, Anaheim CA 92806
#L	33 45 N / 117 48 W
#U	ucivax dhw68k
#R	Fidonet node 1:103/208  [714 939-6401 HST/V.32bis]
#W	stjhmc!ddodell (David Dodell); Sat Aug 15 06:25:00 MST 1992
#
#	Approved by hostmaster@fidonet.fidonet.org
#	Administrator, fidonet.org
#
ofa123=	ofa123.fidonet.org, f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org, f200.n103.z1.fidonet.org
 
ofa123	zardoz(WEEKLY), conexch(WEEKLY), dhw68k(DIRECT),
	lawnet(DIRECT), dtsc(POLLED), ucivax(DIRECT+FAST),
	malymi(DIRECT+FAST), gstore(POLLED), republik(DIRECT)
	asylm(POLLED)

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From: carrollj@wm-mercer.ca (Jim Carroll)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Re: These map updates..
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:43:30 GMT
Organization: William M. Mercer Limited, Toronto, Ontario

In article <l8vqinINNcmv@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>In article <l8vncaINNbkc@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu 
>(Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>> Where is there a list of what the #x fields in the map updates represent?
>
>I've already gotten a mail response that probably indicates my misfortune in  
>choosing "x" to be my "wildcard".. I was wondering what ALL of the # lines  
>represent?  Is there a published list somewhere?

Yup.  Try Managing UUCP and Usenet, by O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
(ISBN# 0-937175-93-5)

>-------------
>Paul Hagstrom (hagstrop@carleton.edu)


-- 
Jim Carroll - carrollj@wm-mercer.ca
-{ Standard Disclaimer in effect .... }-
"Ich weiss nicht, was soll das mir bedeuten."
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Re: These map updates..
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:05:11 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <l8vncaINNbkc@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu 
(Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> Where is there a list of what the #x fields in the map updates represent?

I've already gotten a mail response that probably indicates my misfortune in  
choosing "x" to be my "wildcard".. I was wondering what ALL of the # lines  
represent?  Is there a published list somewhere?
-------------
Paul Hagstrom (hagstrop@carleton.edu)
From: barriost@gtephx.UUCP (Tim Barrios)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: map update for gtephx
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:55:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gtephx.1992Aug20.195503.6606
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona

#N	gtephx
#S	Apollo Domain Network (600 nodes); Domain/OS (Unix SysV) SR 10
#O	AG Communication Systems (formerly GTE CS)
#C	Tim Barrios
#E	gtephx!barriost
#T	(602) 582-7101
#P	2500 West Utopia Road, P.O. Box 52179, Phoenix Arizona, 85072-2179
#L	033 40 N / 112 10 W
#R	FAST=Telebit+ PEP 19200
#U	enuucp
#W	gtephx!barriost (Tim Barrios); Thu Jul  2 13:42:29 MST 1992
#
gtephx	enuucp(HOURLY+FAST), att(DEMAND+FAST), romed(HOURLY+FAST),
	mgcphx (HOURLY)
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UUCP: ...!{ncar!noao!enuucp | att}!gtephx!barriost
Internet: gtephx!barriost@enuucp.eas.asu.edu or barriost@gtephx.att.com
voice: (602) 582-7101        fax:   (602) 581-4390
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: These map updates..
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:10:34 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Where is there a list of what the #x fields in the map updates represent?  Or,  
what is reading these?  I'd assume something mechanized..

??

-----------
Paul Hagstrom (hagstrop@carleton.edu)
From: aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: updated spectrx.saigon.com
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:53:19 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca


#N    spectrx
#S    i386; OS/2 2.0/Waffle 1.65
#O    SPECTROX SYSTEMS 1.408.252.1005
#C    Aaron Anderer
#E    szebra!spectrx!system
#T    +1 408 446 1347
#P    7677 Normandy Way,Cupertino, Ca 95014
#L    37 20 41 N  / 122 3 40 W 
#R    SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1 408 252 1005  
#U    szebra tsoft therat
#W    szebra!spectrx!system ; Sun Aug 16 11:11:11 PDT 1992
#
spectrx  saigon.com
spectrx  = spectrx.saigon.com
spectrx  szebra(HOURLY),tsoft(HOURLY),nocturn(DAILY),net23(DAILY),
         therat(DAILY),kapono(DAILY),garg(DAILY),pooh(DAILY)



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SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1 408 252 1005              szebra!spectrx!aaron          
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org (David Dodell)
Subject: New Map: republik.fidonet.org
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:56:06 GMT


#N	republik, f108.n103.z1.fidonet.org
#S	Commodore Amiga A3000; AmigaDOS 2.04
#O	Eiffel Media
#C	Opal Sullen
#E	republik!postmaster
#T	+1 714 530 5442
#P	11552 Reva, Garden Grove, CA 92640
#L	33 47 29 N / 117 55 52 W
#R	Fidonet Node 1:103/108 +1.714.530.5442 v.32bis
#U	ofa123
#W	stjhmc!ddodell (David Dodell); Wed Aug 19 06:00:00 MST 1992
#
#	Approved by hostmater@fidonet.fidonet.org
#	Administrator, fidonet.org
#
republik=	republik.fidonet.org, f108.n103.z1.fidonet.org
republik	ofa123(DIRECT)

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Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: carrollj@wm-mercer.ca (Jim Carroll)
Subject: announcing new site
Organization: William M. Mercer Limited, Toronto, Ontario
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:31:04 GMT

#N	mercer
#F	UUNET Canada, Toronto (uunet.ca)
#S	Dell 333; SCO UNIX 386 rel. 3.2.2
#O	William M. Mercer Limited
#C	Paul Deneault, Jim Carroll
#E	deneaulp@wm-mercer.ca, carrollj@wm-mercer.ca
#T	(416)868-2960, (416)868-7013
#P	161 Bay Street, PO Box 501, Toronto, Ontario, M5J 2S5
#L	43 39 N / 79 23 W city
#U	uunet.ca
#W	carrollj@wm-mercer.ca (Jim Carroll); Fri Aug 14 16:35:00 1992
#
mercer	.wm-mercer.ca(LOCAL)
mercer	uunet.ca(HOURLY)

mercer=	wm-mercer.ca

-- 
Jim Carroll - carrollj@wm-mercer.ca
-{ Standard Disclaimer in effect .... }-
"Ich weiss nicht, was soll das mir bedeuten."
Xref: sparky news.admin:6998 alt.censorship:6907 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:2554
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:12:34 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Aug13.152104.3300@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>What infuriates me is the double standard.

>For example, in the _Globe and Mail_ story, Lionel Tolan, Simon
>Fraser's director of academic computer services, said "It's the same
>as if somebody wants Playboy or Penthouse.  We don't have them in the
>university library." When in fact, _Playboy_ *is* in the SFU library.

I don't believe that there is a double standard.  The material at hand
isn't Playboy or Penthouse material.  The material that caused the problems
in a.s.b are hardly things that would be found in either magazine.

Furthermore, on a more general level, most universities have constitutions
or codes of ethics that require them to be more selective of material than
the law would necessarily require them to.  Even in the USA.
-- 
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Xref: sparky news.admin:7171 news.software.b:2750 news.software.readers:1675
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: "Newsgroup-info" command for news software
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:25:02 +0200
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.software.b, article <ZVDIPU5@taronga.com>,
  peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <16lsi9INN8sk@smurf.smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
> >We could store FAQs in a faq.* pseudo-hierarchy. We could even crosspost them
> >there, which means that the news transmission software doesn't have to be
> >changed. On the downside, having another newsgroup -- in fact, another 
> >hierarchy -- just for the FAQ might be wasteful; but then, that hierarchy 
> >could be used for other stuff also.
> 
> Oh! You mean news.answers!

Not really -- there's no good way to find all texts appropriate for
a given newsgroup in news.answers (scanning subject lines doesn't count),
or whether there are appropriate texts in the first place; they might be
temporarily unavailable (out of space again...).

-- 
Loose bits sink chips.
-- 
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Humboldtstrasse 7 -- 7500 Karlsruhe 1 -- Germany  --  +49-721-9612521     \o)/
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:24:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.171126.2448@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>[...]
>>I don't think Chris is concerned with the material itself. He's concerned
>>with the criminal prosecution that would result from carrying it.
>[...]
>>Yes, it's a bad law. But, really, what alternative have the schools in
>>question got?
>[...]

>The only way a school could be 100% safe is by cutting off its network
>feed, burning all the books in the library, firing all its professors,
>and expelling all its students.

That's nice. Nobody said anything about being 100% safe. You can't buy a
car with a 5-point racing harness, but does that mean you quit wearing
your seatbelt?

I've cut off all of alt.sex from time to time when the political situation
has warranted it. I don't like the idea, but so long as twits in power see
this as an easy way to get {more power/publicity/...} I can't afford it.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: Aston University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:12:30 GMT

kadie@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
: 
: [...]
: >I don't think Chris is concerned with the material itself. He's concerned
: >with the criminal prosecution that would result from carrying it.
: [...]
: >Yes, it's a bad law. But, really, what alternative have the schools in
: >question got?
: [...]
: 
: The only way a school could be 100% safe is by cutting off its network
: feed, burning all the books in the library, firing all its professors,
: and expelling all its students.

(you missed cutting all their phonelines)
(though maybe flattening the whole site would do the trick)
:-)

: I think it is more likely that administrators want to avoid the real
: risk of publicity, even at the expense of academic freedom. This is
: most clear at Iowa State University, where the administration
: rationalized its censorship by reference to a law that explicitly
: exempts educational institutions.
: 
: Finally, although bans may solve publicity problems in the short term,
: in the long term it not only hurts academic freedom, it also opens a
: university up to bad publicity as folks make demand after demand for
: bans of material that they don't want other folks see.

Where does this stop, what material is universerly acceptable, for 
all to see?
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Re: Computer graphics and child pornography
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 15:30:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <8182@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> mtalbot@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au.ua.oz (David Bowman) writes:
>
>
>
>	I've seen questions raised in this news group about child pornography
>being posted to the net.  With the advances in computers coming almost daily
>it will soon be possible (if it isn't already) to generate pictures which are,
>for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from pictures which have been
>scanned in.
>
>	One question I haven't seen answerred yet is.  
>
>		??? WHAT IS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ???
>
>	If anyone can come up with reasonable definitions for both "child" and
>for "pornography" why not post your definitions? [by the way, statements of
>"you know what a child is" or "you know what pornography is" will be laughed


As a volunteer for a non-profit organization that is devoted to the
protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children, I
would like to offer the following information in answer to your question.

First, let me say that by the sound of your question I can see that there
is still much education that is needed.  Why do we even need to quibble
over minor differences in definition?  The bottom line is, children suffer
greatly and intensely from any kind of sexual abuse or exploitation and
regardless of an official definition, we need to be protecting our kids
from these types of activities.

However, since you seem to be in need of an "official" definition, here is
the one that is published by the National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children:

Child pornography can be defined as the sexually explicit visual depiction
of a minor, including sexually explicit photographs, negatives, slids,
magazines, moviews, or videotapes.       

Child erotica (pedophile paraphernalia) can be defined as any material,
relating to children, that serves a sexual purpose for a given individual.
Some of the more common type of child erotica include toys, games,
drawings, fantasy writings, diaries, souvenirs, sexual aids, manuals,
letters, books about children, psychological books on pedophilia, and
ordinary photographs of children.


Hope this answers your question.
Keeping Hope Alive,
Child Quest International Volunteer
Linda
lindae@netcom.com
From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: lost news, space shortage
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:20:19 GMT

bruce@egh-qc.uucp (Bruce Fisher) writes:

>The question is has anyone got a script or something which checks how much
>space is left as the news batches arrive via uucp and is able to break the
>uucp link if the limit set by spacefor is about to be exceeded.

When Taylor UUCP is talking to another instance of itself, it provides
the size of each file before it sends it.  If there is not enough room
to receive the file uucico will temporarily refuse to accept the file
(it checks available space on both the temporary receive area and the
final destination).  The file send will be retried at the next
connection.

A certain amount of disk space is always left available, configurable
on a system by system basis.

Unfortunately, this won't work when talking to a older UUCP, because
there is no way to temporarily refuse a file send (and older UUCP's
don't provide the size of the file, anyhow).  I may change it to
simply drop the connection if the available disk space drops below
some level.
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From: rokosz@uservx.plk.af.mil
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Tom Limoncelli (c-news prob)
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:39:52 GMT
Organization: Phillips Laboratory - Kirtland AFB

Tom,

     Couldn't reach you in e-mail - this is my /usr/lib/news/bin/config -
couldn't find a "config.sh", but that doesn't mean I don't have one!

						Thanks in advance!

						Randy

# configuration -- all the shell files pick this up using "."
# this makes it possible to add new variables here and have them
#  available everywhere immediately
#
# This is not, repeat NOT, a master control file for all of C News.
# This is the shell equivalent of libcnews/config.c, a "subroutine
# library" that gives shell files access to the default settings and
# lets environment variables override the defaults.  Changing the
# defaults here will *NOT* change them throughout C News.
#
# =()<NEWSCTL=${NEWSCTL-@<NEWSCTL>@}>()=
NEWSCTL=${NEWSCTL-/usr/lib/news}
# =()<NEWSBIN=${NEWSBIN-@<NEWSBIN>@}>()=
NEWSBIN=${NEWSBIN-/usr/lib/newsbin}
# =()<NEWSARTS=${NEWSARTS-@<NEWSARTS>@}>()=
NEWSARTS=${NEWSARTS-/usr/spool/news}
# =()<NEWSPATH=${NEWSPATH-@<NEWSPATH>@}>()=
NEWSPATH=${NEWSPATH-/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb}
# =()<NEWSUMASK=${NEWSUMASK-@<NEWSUMASK>@}>()=
NEWSUMASK=${NEWSUMASK-002}
# =()<NEWSMASTER=${NEWSMASTER-@<NEWSMASTER>@}>()=
NEWSMASTER=${NEWSMASTER-usenet}
# =()<NEWSCONFIG=${NEWSCONFIG-@<NEWSCONFIG>@}>()=
NEWSCONFIG=${NEWSCONFIG-/usr/lib/news/bin/config}
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright:" field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:39:50 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <a_rubin.713648127@dn66> a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
>
>Ah, but the question becomes: who is the "user".  An individual making a
>copy of a legally acquired "Star Wars" tape is still in violation of
>copyright, and LucasFilms would (and has) gone after them.  So, in the

But a user making a copy of a broadcast (ether or cable) of
"Star Wars" is *not* in violation.  (If I understand it correctly)
Unless he attempts to "exhibit".



		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@uLogic.COM

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Disco isn't dead...			...it's just in witness protection!
From: rokosz@uservx.plk.af.mil
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: problems getting c-news started
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:57:09 GMT
Organization: Phillips Laboratory - Kirtland AFB


     I've been trying to install c-news on a Sun SPARC II.  The installation
instructions go into elaborate detail about how to answer questions to create
the installation scripts, which went beautifully.  But then all it says is to
cron a file with cron commands and to execute a script at boot time, which are
listed later.  Root gets a few messages every day saying it doesn't find certain
files, and there isn't any sort of nntp daemon running, as evidenced when I
try to read news from it.  I also don't know at which point it loads the
articles - it probably doesn't.
     I'm relatively new at getting such things going (is that obvious?), so I
really don't know what to try next.  My main problem is that I sometimes see
things I could try but don't know what I should & shouldn't be touching.  Can
someone point me in the right direction?  Please respond through e-mail.

						Randy Rokosz
						Phillips Lab - Kirtland
						(505) 846-6108
						rokosz@uservx.plk.af.mil

P.S.  Here's the results I've been getting:

Results of the cron jobs:
-------------------------
sendbatches gets:
egrep: /usr/lib/news/batchparms: No such file or directory
egrep: /usr/lib/news/batchparms: No such file or directory

newsdaily gets:
mv: errlog.oo: Cannot access: No such file or directory
mv: batchlog.oo: Cannot access: No such file or directory

newswatch gets:
No message !?!

when I try to read the news:
----------------------------
crunch:/home/rokosz: xrn
crunch:/home/rokosz: connect: Connection refused
giving up ...
Mon Aug 10 09:03:10 1992: Failed to reconnect to the NNTP server (server_init), sleeping...

crunch:/home/rokosz:

End of message
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: hiding sex info from minors
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:34:21 GMT

In article <226@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>I have heard of far worse abuses perpertrated *by* the system when
>it comes to child welfare.  I would, nonetheless, rather have the
>system remain (and try to pound some common sense into those idiots
>who cannot see straight) than junk the system.

Both of these are cases where a system has been set up without adequate
checks and balances. Well designed systems have avenues of appeal built
in throughout the process, to control the well-intentioned idiots who
will inevitably be attracted to them. Poorly designed systems don't, and
SHOULD be junked.

>Such cases are, by far, the exception and not the rule.  Such a
>case should have been easily appealed and won.

Should have, but that's not how the system works.

>Actually such a
>case should have been dismissed, or better yet thrown out by the
>investigating officers when they saw the rest of the roll of the
>family's vacation pics.

But that's not how the system works.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: cruz@lab.ultra.nyu.edu (Nancy Cruz)
Subject: Re: Need help posting in colorado
Organization: New York University Ultracomputer Research Lab
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:33:32 GMT

Hi...

Can anyone help me?  I need to post an article to a misc. Colorado
newsgroup.  Something like co.general.  Unfortunately, I cannot seem
to do it through the NYU network.

Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks.

Nancy
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