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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general
Subject: New Zealnand Space Information Service.
From: space_nz@kiwi.gen.nz (Spacelink)
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:33:56 GMT
Reply-To: space_nz@kiwi.gen.nz (Spacelink)
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand

Space_nz is a Space Information Bureau based in New Zealand.  Our aim is
to supply answers to people's questions whether they be simple or complex
on the history of human accomplishments in space.

You can contact us through our Email address of space_nz@kiwi.gen.nz,
or by writing to Spacelink at PO Box 331402, Takapuna, Auckland 9, New Zealand,
(Please enclose an SASE), or by Fax on 64-9-8494282.

This is a free service for the curious, supplied by a team of voluntary
Spaceflight enthusiasts.

This Article is to put our Previous Posted Article right with regards to our 
email address.
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:49:53 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 1

I'll see your one and raise you one.


2

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:56:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) writes:
> But if only the hedgehogs were growing and smoking dope it would
> clearly be New Zealand culture, and nothing else.

Apparently, the British hedgehog fraternity were somewhat put out by the
dope smoking hedgehogs in that cartoon.

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Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Visiting Wellington - anyone home?
Date: 11 Nov 92 09:27:11 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Gidday,  I'm a post-grad student in sociology at Waikato Uni,  and
I'm going to be in Wellington for this Sunday through to Weds (15th-18th).

I'll be spending my days digging out data for my thesis,  so wonder if anyone
on the net could spare an evening with me so I don't end up wandering the
streets looking pathetic.  I know Wellington fairly well (and like it),  and
have travelled quite a bit around the country.  I'm originally from Auckland,
but please don't hold this against me.

If you're interested in giving someone a totally biased view of Wellington,
having a few drinks or whatever,  feel free to e-mail me.

Interests off the top of my head-
music (alternative,  left of centre - would love to see the Waratahs while
down there)
cycling
social issues,  theories etc
travel,  hitching etc
pretty much everything else.

No I'm not a nerd!

Jonathan.
From: mcwg9235@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marsha Woodbury )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: i'm heading to godzone, too
Summary: to mid jan
Keywords: mid dec.
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:46:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBrpE.CC9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

My husband Roger, my two NZ-citizen sons and I will be 
in NZ from mid Dec. to mid. Jan, mainly around Blenhim and
oops  Blenheim and Motueka.  would love to meet some of you
netters in person.  Is there a freenet we can hook into in
Wellington or Auckland?  What say we set a pub and a day
in those two towns?  Yours from the freezing Midwest...
Oh, BTW, damn good election here--Perot got 19 million votes.
That 6 New Zealands.
-- 
Marsha Woodbury   marsha-w@uiuc.edu
A simile is like a metaphor.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Moving to NZ (?)
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:07:28 GMT
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Keywords: kiwifruit, price of

In article <1992Nov6.004209.14746@massey.ac.nz> H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz (H. Edwards) writes:
>Kiwifruit for $2.50/kg?  Is that typical of Wellington?  Here in Palmy
>I've been buying them at Pak'n'Save over the last few weeks for anywhere
>between 59c/kg (a great special, as long as you ate 'em soon) and $1.59/kg.

$2.50 is at the higher end of kiwifruit prices.  You can usually find
them at $1.50 or so if you know cheaper places to buy.  Woolworths and
foodtown are not cheap.  During winter the markets had kiwifruit for
as low as 10c/kilo.

andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: maass@felix.warc.cri.nz (David Maass)
Subject: Re: visa, driver's license, passport questions for American
Organization: Wallaceville Animal Research Centre, Upper Hutt
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:38:11 GMT

In article <PHILG.92Nov4183640@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>I'm going to NZ in a month with a US passport and a Massachusetts
>driver's license.  Is it still the rule that you are OK if your
>passport is valid 3 months beyond the planned departure date?  Do I
>need a visa?  Can I rent a car & drive with my Masschusetts license?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Philip
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Health Care etc....
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:42:14 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <wezcfoi00hYN8wjEhH@andrew.cmu.edu>, pr11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Prithvi Rao) writes:
> It seems that health care in nz has taken a turn for the worse(from
> reading this bboard). Anyone have any comments about how the medical
> profession is handling this? I guess I am interested in knowing if
> enrollment in medical schools has been affected. I understand that it is
> more difficult to earn the outrageous salaries that doctors once enjoyed
> in nz. Do doctors have to have substantial malpractice insurance etc.? I
> remember something about a nz delegation coming here to study the US
> health care system and nearly choked when I read about it :-)! 
> 
> _prithvi

Well,  right now there are strikes throughout New Zealand by various nurses
and med students etc,  as the latest cost-cutting drive affects them.  This
is the "Employment Contract Act",  whereby union membership is voluntary and
most employees have to individually negotiate their working conditions.  Bye
bye holiday pay,  overtime etc.  It's had good results in some areas I'll
hasten to point out, but has also created a lot of ill-will and tension.

Other measures are the free clinics many GPs are setting up for the poorer
of their patients,  and increased numbers of nurses emigrating to a more
favourable working environment.

I'm not sure if enrollment in med schools has been affected.  There's always
more applicants than admissions,  and the increased fees could be putting off
students as well.  But the med students I know have to fight off the banks
offering to lend them money as their futures are so bright.

The darndest trouble is,  whenever my girlfreind and I get depressed about the
changes and think about leaving the country,  we thing "where too?" and that
can be difficult to answer.  It's still a great country.

Jonathan.
From: sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Cricket Dimensions
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:18:48 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Nigel Keam asks
> Could someone please give me the following dimensions (roughly) ...
> [ We're about to experiment with Texans playing Cricket ]
> 
> Diameter of a single wicket  ( one inch?... my Indian friend here says  
> more like three inches )
> Distance between centers of each wicket ( three-four inches? )
Not so sure about that first two, but the total width of the wicket should be
9", with the ball unable to pass between the stumps.

> Distance between the wickets at each end ( xx ft??? )
22 yards, or 66'

> Distance from wickets to crease?
4'

> Width (across largest flat surface) of a cricket bat?
<4"

> Diameter of a cricket ball ?
approx 150mm circumference, I think.  also 5 ounces in weight.

> 
> (Metric or otherwise is fine)
> 
> P.S. how much am I offered for the video? :-) 



Stephen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: wyk@sun4 (Master Jerry Y.G. Wu)
Subject: 1
Organization: National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:11:27 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: "ron grimes" <ron.grimes@canrem.com>
Subject: scnz faq (unofficial, lon
Reply-To: "ron grimes" <ron.grimes@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:43:12 EST

>Culture
>-------

>Buzzy Bees:  A quintissential piece of Kiwiana.  It is a small wooden
>bee that toddlers can drag around on a piece of string. It has wings
>that rotate (backwards) and it makes a wierd clicking sound.  They are
>no longer made, much to the author's remorse.

Well, now, that aint too true. My 2yr old daughter just received a
Buzzy Bee from the proud grand parents just a couple of months ago.
Admittedly it had "Made in China" on it, but the Bee has yet to die.

The rest of the letter was 99+% accurate...

Ron
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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: scnz faq (unofficial, long)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:03:40 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

>>McGilicuddy Serious:  Scottish Monarchist Regressionists, intent in
>>re-establishing the Jacobite line to supreme executive office, then
>>disassembling all the trappings of modern technology (internal
>>combustion engines, guttering systems, Unix, etc) and living a life of
>>pastoral, clan-oriented bliss. Due to growing popular disillusionment
>>with both National and Labour, an outside favourite to win the 1993
>>general election.
>>
> Well, I'll be voting for them.
> 

I think they might actually get in too :)

>>
>>Buzzy Bees:  A quintissential piece of Kiwiana.  It is a small wooden
>>bee that toddlers can drag around on a piece of string. It has wings
>>that rotate (backwards) and it makes a wierd clicking sound.  They are
>>no longer made, much to the author's remorse.
> 
> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Whadya mean, no more buzzy bees? Is anyone out there in netland
> prepared to sell me theirs?
>

Don't panic. So much was the public condemnimation (sp?) about stopping making
them, that they started again. You can also get crickets (And a couple of
others) as well.
 
>>
>>The Edmond's Cook Book: More copies of this book have been sold in
>>New Zealand than any other book (ever).  Produced by Edmonds, makers 
>>of fine Baking Powder, Cake Mix and Bournville Cocoa.  There are
>>hundreds of recipies, many incorporating Edmond's "Sure to Rise"
>>Baking Powder, Edmond's Cake Mix, and Bournville Cocoa.
>>
> This I thought to buy before I left. A place where a cookbook outsells
> the bible is my kind of country.
>

But they demolished the building on the cover...
 
> Michael W.
> 
> 
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From: barryp@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:19:00 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <472311@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) writes:
>> But if only the hedgehogs were growing and smoking dope it would
>> clearly be New Zealand culture, and nothing else.
> 
> Apparently, the British hedgehog fraternity were somewhat put out by the
> dope smoking hedgehogs in that cartoon.
> 
But the dope-smoking hedgehogs is part of NZ identity.  The allusion comes from
stories of hedghogs eating snails that had been feeding on backyard dope
plantations.  The hedghogs lose orientation and wander onto roads in broad
daylight getting flattened.

Barry Phease
From: Roald_Euller@rand.ORG (Roald Euller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: visa, driver's license, passport questions for American
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:27:11 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

I lived in NZ for three years with a US passport and US drivers license,
I rented cars without problem (most places assumed I was a tourist),
I was stopped by the police more than once (no comment) and never had
any problems (regarding the US license, anyway). In fact, I didn't
get a NZ drivers license until about 1 week before I left the country,
largely because it is good "for life".  Now I'm back in the US with
no US license, using my Kiwi license, AND I have rented a car (?!).

So I wouldn't worry too much about.  Kiwis tend to be pretty easygoing
about these sorts of matter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Subject: FWD: Pen pal wanted
Reply-To: RHOLLAND@GENVAX.COMPUTER-CENTRE.POLY-OF-WALES.AC.UK
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:05:54 GMT

Hi,

I got this message from the UK - maybe someone would like to talk to him?

---- included message ----

From: RHOLLAND@GENVAX.COMPUTER-CENTRE.POLY-OF-WALES.AC.UK
Subject: Communication
To: POSTMASTER <POSTMASTER@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
Message-Id: <01GQUMHTQG4I8ZH14M@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>

I am interested in writing to users at your university.
Can you help me by sending me a list of a few usernames who might be interested
in talking to me.

Thankyou very much for any help you can give me.

Richard Holland

P.S. I was born in New Zealand, in Timaru, hence the interest in communication
with NZ students.
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ National Debt
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:31:45 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc

In <1992Nov8.193042.4248@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
writes:

>New Zealand is considered to be part of the third world by the World Bank 
>and is therefore eligible for certain subsidies/aid programs.  None of this 
>aid has ever been taken up though.

This truly amazes me! I wonder what criteria the World Bank uses to decide?
I can't think a certain amount of unsealed road would put you over the
line.

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
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From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:11:37 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <EeyKS4O00hsBR674EB@cs.cmu.edu>, mjw+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Witbrock) writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 5-Nov-92 Re: Was Culture
> now it's ch.. maj@waikato.ac.nz (4523)
>>  eg  references to introduced
>> animals like hedgehogs, policemen in bobby-style helmets.
> 
>> That sort of thing is more than somewhat subversive of a national
>> identity.[ to use a term beloved of both New Zealanders and Canadians].
> 
> But  New Zealand does have hedgehogs and policemen in silly hats (but
> not police women in silly hats, lucky for them). How can you subvert a
> national identity with things which are clearly part of it. 
> 

Here's how.

You want to confuse the identity of Country A with that of
Country B.  You select out all the features that A and B have
in common, and especially those features that they do not share
with many other countries. You also take note of all features
that differentiate between the two countries. You write books
that make frequent use of the first set of features and avoid the
second set.
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 18:57:06 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
	<1992Nov6.191137.12017@waikato.ac.nz>

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 6-Nov-92 Re: Was Culture
now it's ch.. maj@waikato.ac.nz (1353)

> > not police women in silly hats, lucky for them). How can you subvert a
> > national identity with things which are clearly part of it. 
> > 

> Here's how.

> You want to confuse the identity of Country A with that of
Country B. 
           etc etc etc 

I reiterate my point that if a excess of hedgehogs and policemen in big
hats is considered a great threat to the NZ cultural identity, then that
identity must be  extremely secure.

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: NZ National Debt
Reply-To: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:16:05 GMT

I recently met someone here in Texas who said he was here because
of the New Zealand national debt.  

Could someone give me particulars on this?
  Total debt
  Total GNP
  Total Assets (doesn't include GNP)
  Population

Also, would someone care to comment on your health care system?
  

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From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Nat.Debt - 1st or 3rd world?
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:59:47 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov12.171105.12126@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
> Somewhere amongst various sociology notes I've got some stuff on what
> constitutes a "first" or "third" world country.  Away from the hard and
> fast measuring systems used by the likes of WHO and the UN,  it can be
> seen in the light of a country's relationships with others. E.g. loans,
> trade aid,  tariffs,  labour pools,  migration patterns etc.
> 
> The general consensus with those I've discussed this with is that NZ's
> relationship with countrys like Japan,  USA,  Britain etc makes us distinctly
> third world,  although our relationship with the Pacific and some Asian nations
> puts us in the first world bracket.
> 
> Howsabout "second world"?  (man that was predictable).
> 
> Jonathan.
> 

Sorry, the second world is the Communist world, or was until the
end of the cold war.
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Nat.Debt - 1st or 3rd world?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:11:05 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand


Somewhere amongst various sociology notes I've got some stuff on what
constitutes a "first" or "third" world country.  Away from the hard and
fast measuring systems used by the likes of WHO and the UN,  it can be
seen in the light of a country's relationships with others. E.g. loans,
trade aid,  tariffs,  labour pools,  migration patterns etc.

The general consensus with those I've discussed this with is that NZ's
relationship with countrys like Japan,  USA,  Britain etc makes us distinctly
third world,  although our relationship with the Pacific and some Asian nations
puts us in the first world bracket.

Howsabout "second world"?  (man that was predictable).

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ National Debt
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:30:42 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov7.024739.20924@actrix.gen.nz> Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.122931.12003@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> In article <Bx8yAu.L3y@rice.edu>, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>
>> > Also, would someone care to comment on your health care system?
>> 
>> It was once touted as the best in the world. Now its probably the best in the
>> 3rd world, but thats about it. At the moment in Invercargill we have a hospital
>
>Have you ever visited the third world?

New Zealand is considered to be part of the third world by the World Bank 
and is therefore eligible for certain subsidies/aid programs.  None of this 
aid has ever been taken up though.

It is getting quite common to compare NZ to the third world (the 'third
world road network' etc. ).  I have been to the third world and travelled 
their roads and visited their hospitals (thankfully not as a patient).

I don't think anyone who has been to a third world country would consider
making the above comparison.  Not unless Invercargill hospital has started 
drying the surgical gloves for future use, have run out of anesthetic, run 
out of disinfectant, re-use disposable syringes because they can't get any 
more...

I bet they even supply food at Invercargill hospital.

When the relatives of the patients have to supply the food and cook it 
over open fires next to the ward _then_ you can call it a third world 
hospital.

Mind you the rural roads could learn a bit from Namibia...


-- 
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Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone)
Subject: Re: Was Culture now it's children's books
Reply-To: jonathan@CS.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:42:33 GMT

But if only the hedgehogs were growing and smoking dope it would
clearly be New Zealand culture, and nothing else.