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From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Amiga reader
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:45:03 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Osma Ahvenlampi (oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi) wrote:
: Today, I decided to check how much work it would be to make a AmigaGuide format
: file out of the GGP data files, and found it extremely easy. In fact, using
: a few macros I converted all the articles into AmigaGuide format. Indexing is
: a bit work, with the multiple index entrys per article, but not too hard.
: Next weekend I'll probably have time to write an ARexx script that will do
: the job automatically.

	Hmm.  I wonder, how compatible is ARexx with Rexx for OS/2 2.0?  The
language comes with OS/2, so if it's fairly compatible (I'd imagine it is),
you could write one piece of code that would work on *TWO* fans-only
systems! :-)  (Too bad the technically superior doesn't the recognition
it deserves...)
--
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: newbie
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:47:23 GMT

In article <eDNeuB1w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>I have a question: about how much text has been written so far?

Almost fifty articles have been edited & accepted, and I personally have two
more articles to edit & ok real soon now...

...Paul


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From: Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au>
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Macintosh...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:41:12 GMT
Organization: Blazing Toad Productions Inc.
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Carl A. Johnson, cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:
>>Is there anyone out there (besides me) who is interested in a guide for Macs?
>>-Jim Burmeister, jimb@csd.harris.com

>	I sure as heck am!!!  BTW, what was with all those -likes- in that

Me too!!! (I hate me too messages :^)

There is a program 'out there' for viewing something similar already:
Easy View (2.1) for viewing Settext format text files.

I think that with some mods perhaps this would be a good start for
TMG! (gotta be a better TLA for it than that...)

If I get a chance I'll be working on a HyperCard viewer over Christmas
break, but no promises yet :)

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From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Guide for Macintosh?
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:07:44 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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In article <1992Nov13.190604.16471@nwnexus.WA.COM>, jennings@halcyon.com (James Jennings) writes:
|> >Is there anyone out there working on a guide for the Macintosh?
|> 
|> I've only read the docs for the PC version. Could someone tell me if it
|> could be easily replicated in HyperCard? 
|> 
|> I've written a stack that can read TheGuide's input files and put the
|> records into the right fields, but it does nothing with the xref data.
|> In other words, the result is not much better than reading the file with
|> a text editor. 
|> 
|> Comments and suggestions anyone?
|> 
|> James

I was able to try out TheGuide today (thanx for answering my stupid question,
Steve!) and had that very thought; namely that it would be fairly easy to
write a HyperCard stack that would do pretty much everything TheGuide does.
Maybe I'll give it a shot over the next couple of weeks.

-Jim Burmeister, jimb@csd.harris.com
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: Amiga reader
Summary: continuing the "non-existent" cross-ref. thread...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:49:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.081830.24229@zip.eecs.umich.edu> marky@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:

>They are not "non-existent" cross-references;  they are PRE-existent cross-
>references.  That is, they have simply been referred to before they were
>written.  Now Project Galactic Guide frowns on these pre-existent refs, but
>some of us think that is merely a symptom of Anti-Future Bigotry (q.v.).

I agree with this more liberated approach to cross-references; I think
it shows both a respect for atemporal writing (ie, including articles that
will be written in the future) and adds a touch of humour to see a wild-n-
crazy xref which makes you think, "Boy, I can't wait for *that* one!"

That's why TG! for DOS supports these "un-linked cross-references" and it
has built-in parsing thingies to automatically attach the xref's when the
other articles finally arrive, and allows the user the ability to delete
unwanted xref's if the target article *never* arrives.

BUT, on the other hand, I can also see Paul's main problem with these
dangling xref's: title continuity.  If a prior cross-ref mentions "The
Hoopiest Frood in All of Creation," that's fine.  But if the article
is finally released as "The Hoopiest Frood in Creation", then the average
system won't make the xref connection (because the title is different).
Bummer.  But, heck, that's what us Editors are for!  :^>

>The article was originally written for the AlterNet Guide to the Galaxy,
>which is non-judgemental about temporal differentness.  We really don't
>care when you come from, or which direction you experience time in.  We
>just want you to write something that will make us a lot of money.

Yeah, I also agree with that money thing...

Steve
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu
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From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Amiga reader
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:51:46 GMT

Today, I decided to check how much work it would be to make a AmigaGuide format
file out of the GGP data files, and found it extremely easy. In fact, using
a few macros I converted all the articles into AmigaGuide format. Indexing is
a bit work, with the multiple index entrys per article, but not too hard.
Next weekend I'll probably have time to write an ARexx script that will do
the job automatically.
Before that, could someone mail me the latest GGP article format description?
BTW: Article 2U1, Thirty-seven Ways to Deep Sea Fish with Four Feet of Dental 
Floss seems to have some non-existant cross-references. Maybe meant to be
index entrys instead?
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All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave `geek' Gymer)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: tug 2 release 0.0pl3 available
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:28:12 GMT

Patchlevel 3 of TUG! 2 0.0 will shortly be appearing on
vela.acs.oakland.edu. I'll not normally announce patches on a.g.g, only
new releases, but this is the first one to result in a functional TUG!
2... admittedly all it can do at present is read a load of guide
archives and produce another amalgamated guide (and it doesn't do that
properly!).

As explained in the TUG! 2 documentation, to get the pl3 source, you'll
need of the tug-2.0.0* files currently on vela.

Since I'm mailing all these bits to Steve Baker, if anyone is lacking
FTP access and would like to participate in the TUG! 2 project, or would
like to get updates as fast as I can get them out, send me mail with a
subject line of `TUG! maniac calling' and I'll create a list of people
to mail patches and new releases to.  The only caveat is that must be
able to receive large pieces of mail (100k at least), as I can't be
bothered to split them up all the time; most sites seem to be happy with
this.

The ideal solution would be for someone to set up a mailing list, so
that I could mail stuff there.  If that were the case I'd probably post
multi-part shar's and unencoded patches rather than uue'd .tar.Z's.  I
suppose an `alt.galactic-guide.sources' group would serve the same
function, but that's going a bit over the top.

-- Dave.
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: imccall@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian McCall)
Subject: Macintosh version of the Guide
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:23:12 GMT


Is there a Macintosh version of the Guide around? If there isn't, I'd like
to have a crack at writing one. It might take some time, since I'm in the
middle of a project right now, but I'll certainly get it done eventually.

If there's no Mac version, could the runner of this newsgroup get in touch
with the format for the text, please? I've tried emailing you direct, but
somehomw I've run into problems.



Ian
csc345@cent1.lancs.ac.uk
From: 9111298@ul.ie (Tycho Caine)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Another newbie.
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:34:35 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Any info on a version of the guide for VMS?

Gary.

BTW Please send any replies by E-mail, I don't nake it to this newsgroup
    very often.

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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: liebea@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: Re: Macintosh...
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:27:55 GMT

In article <1e71o8INNen@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au> writes:
|> I think that with some mods perhaps this would be a good start for
|> TMG! (gotta be a better TLA for it than that...)

Better name (?): MacGuide.

Better TLA: HGG:  The HyperCard Guide to the Galaxy

                                         -Adam Lieberman
                                          liebea@rpi.edu
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Amiga reader
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:43:19 GMT
	<1992Nov16.081830.24229@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Nov16.184906.12282@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Nov16.184906.12282@vela.acs.oakland.edu> swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon) writes:
>I agree with this more liberated approach to cross-references; I think
>it shows both a respect for atemporal writing (ie, including articles that
>will be written in the future) and adds a touch of humour to see a wild-n-
>crazy xref which makes you think, "Boy, I can't wait for *that* one!"

>That's why TG! for DOS supports these "un-linked cross-references" and it
>has built-in parsing thingies to automatically attach the xref's when the
>other articles finally arrive, and allows the user the ability to delete
>unwanted xref's if the target article *never* arrives.

>BUT, on the other hand, I can also see Paul's main problem with these
>dangling xref's: title continuity.  If a prior cross-ref mentions "The
>Hoopiest Frood in All of Creation," that's fine.  But if the article
>is finally released as "The Hoopiest Frood in Creation", then the average
>system won't make the xref connection (because the title is different).
>Bummer.  But, heck, that's what us Editors are for!  :^>

I thought I'd use the article number for the actual reference, and titles
just at the index. Would make it pretty hard to give as-of-yet-non-existant
xrefs an article number (well, I could use something like 0A0 for all of them),
and then scan the whole file for every new article to see if some xref is
found... I think I'll just leave them as non-existant, and if an article
appears later on, the xrefs can be updated by rebuilding the file, or by
manually editing the xref to point to the right place... I don't think it's
worth the trouble to make an independent xref-list, as I'm trying to keep
the whole Guide in one file... Well, we'll see... I could always make an
unlinked node containing all non-existant xrefs... I'll do the important
part first, anyway.
--
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All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:00:04 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Macintosh...
	<1e71o8INNen@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>

mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au (Matthew Hall) writes:
> If I get a chance I'll be working on a HyperCard viewer over Christmas
> break, but no promises yet :)

okay, i just started reading alt.galactic-guide and downloaded all the
appropriate stuff that i could find, and so on, and i may be tryint to
write a pascal viewer for the guide over christmas break

disclaimers:
1.  i have yet to see the guide work otherwise, but am going to
download it to a 486 soon, because i couldn't complie tug succesfully
2.  i am unfamiliar with the new pascal environment that i'll probably
be using, because the one i'm used to doesn't generate executables
(happy happy joy joy educational software educational software)
3.  this will be my first 'real' program if it gets finished (i.e. non
school related, and non small hack for private use...)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: marky@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Amiga reader
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:18:30 GMT

%q BTW: Article 2U1, Thirty-seven Ways to Deep Sea Fish with Four Feet of Dental
%q Floss seems to have some non-existant cross-references. Maybe meant to be
%q index entrys instead?
%r oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)

They are not "non-existent" cross-references;  they are PRE-existent cross-
references.  That is, they have simply been referred to before they were
written.  Now Project Galactic Guide frowns on these pre-existent refs, but
some of us think that is merely a symptom of Anti-Future Bigotry (q.v.).

The article was originally written for the AlterNet Guide to the Galaxy,
which is non-judgemental about temporal differentness.  We really don't
care when you come from, or which direction you experience time in.  We
just want you to write something that will make us a lot of money.

The following is an excerpt from the ANG article "The AlterNet Guide to
the Galaxy", concerning the format of ANG articles:

    %x <<xref>>
        There can be as many of these as you like.  They should refer to
        real ANG entries.  Keep in mind, however, that this project is
        going to last forever, and so will eventually have an infinite
        number of entries, and so there will eventually be an entry on
        everything of any interest, so you can put anything here in the
        sure knowledge that, eventually, an entry will be made to fit that
        xref.  Or maybe not.  We never did understand infinity....  

As a benefit to those of you who do experience time pastwards, a
translation follows.

...mark young/gnuoy kram...

.sedecerp niotalsnart a ,sdrawerutuf emit ecneirepxe ohw uoy fo esoht ot 
tifeneb a sA

        ....ytinifni dnatsrednu did reven eW  .ton ebyam rO  .ferx taht tif
        ot edam eb lliw yrtne na ,yllautneve ,taht egdelwonk erus eht ni
        ereh gnihtyna tup nac uoy os ,tseretni yna fo gnihtyreve no yrtne
        na eb yllautneve lliw ereht os dna ,siertne fo rebmun etinifni na
        evah yllautneve lliw os dna ,reverof tsal ot gniog si tcejorp siht
        taht ,revewoh ,dnim ni peeK  .seirtne YTR laer ot refer dluohs
        yehT  .ekil uoy sa eseht fo ynam sa eb nac erehT
    >>ferx<< x%

!htaerb rouy dloh t'noD

.ecidujerp rieht hguorht kaerb lliw taht yaw a ni ti nialpxe ot tpmetta na ni
gniwollof eht detouq ev'eW  .dnuor yaw thgir eht efil ecneirepxe ohw su fo
esoht derongi sah gip drawerutuf tnarongi emos ,niaga ecnO
From: R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: suicide on tv
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:54:53 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91760652@saffron


I know this is a late reply but i have had problems with posting
stuff...



Thanks for the thread in my name (my own thread , who would have thought
it... mummy will be pleased !!!!)...even if it had bugger all to do with
me.


Did anyone see last night's Everyman program on BBC 1 at 10:15 ???

It was all about how an attempted suicide can affect a family....
It was *very* moving, especially when the girl who had tried to overdose
and slit her  wrists was telling the viewers why she had done it and
how she had felt at the time..... (she ended her talking by saying :
" I still get days when I feel like throwing myself under a bus but
because of the pain i caused to my family i just keep on going").



KHARE (still here, still happy)
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: Suicide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:41:51 GMT

rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:

>Do you really think people decide not to "commit" suicide just because
>they believe its illegal?  (I'm not sure that it is illegal).  I don't
>believe this AT ALL.  

>"I want to die, but- Gee!  I wouldn't want to break any laws!"
                    It's possible some might be deterred by the thought that
the state...and not their heirs...would get all the worldly possessions.
Still, those would probably be in the minority by far.  I can't think of any
other scenario where a law against attempted suicide would deter, unless the
law has provisions for treating the would-be-suicider for, say, mental illness,
and the person in question feels its better to be live than to try to die and
get snatched up my the men in white coats(tm).

 euclid



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standard disclaimers apply
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                                     ----Charles Dickens
From: wilsonandrew@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: RE: ILLEGAL? OR: "CHECK PLEASE!"
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:25:15 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

The reason that suicide is illegal is simple. the government has to 
maintain a firm tax base, doesn't it? Why, whenever an able bodied working 
age person wastes him/herself, the government loses thousands and thousands 
of valuable tax dollars! Screw the individual! (sayeth the government) 
we've got to keep nice carpet in the oval office! Besides, if you really 
wanted to die, you wouldn't fail, and you really wouldn't care if they 
tossed your dead ass in jail, anyway. suicide is easy, if you really mean 
it. if you really want to die, just shove a sawed off shotgun in your 
mouth and it's "adios amigo!" if you're really sick of living and just want 
to snuff it, a painful, messy, violent death shouldn't be a deterrent at 
all! BOOM!  SEE YA! Who gives a shit who has to scrape you off the wall! By 
the way, this isn't reverse psychology. if you're really sick of living, 
have no reason to live, and really want to croak, my advice to you is this: 
JUST DO IT! BUt killing yourself isn't easy, humans have this fucking self 
defense mechanism called "HOPE", hope's a persistent motherfucker. Just 
kill yourself on a whim, you'll feel much better. 
WELL, I'M OFF TO THE SPORTING GOODS STORE! I SURE HOPE AMERICAN EXPRESS 
DOESN'T GET UPSET WHEN I DON'T PAY OFF  MY LAST BILL! 
Andy, cornfield cowboy (LATE)

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sjb@unislc.uucp (Steven Backus)
Subject: Re: Why is life so stupid?
Summary: life sucks then you die
Reply-To: backus@math.utah.edu
Organization: irc addicts incorporated
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:42:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.003100.2189@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rakowski@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Calvin) writes:
>why is it that just when your life seems to be going nearly perfectly,
>someone throws a wrench in the works?   damnit, everything was starting
>to finally turn for the better ... i was doing good in all my classes..
>i actually had (i thought) good friends.. then i realize suddently that
>it's all bullshit.  i study my ass off for calculus... say everything
>is fine if i get at least a 65%, and end up getting a 62%, all my
>'friends' *tease* me about how stupid i am for almost flunking an
>'easy' exam.  i guess i am.. hell i got a 28 on the last one.  sometimes
>life sucks.  i always try to ride out the bad parts and wait for the
>good ones..  well i've been riding for the past two fucking years, and
>lemmie tell you it sure as hell aint getting any better.  only worse
>damn life sucks sometimes.
>-dave
>(ps dont tell me to cheer up)
>

Wouldn't dream of it man.  As someone who goes through periodic bouts of
depression I can relate.  It's my theory that the human consciousness
*needs* to be depressed occasionally, so by all means go for it.  Really get
into the pain.  When you're done, and you're ready to get on with your life
try doing something that will make you feel better.  Indulge yourself in
chocolate, write some of these so-called friends some hate mail, whatever
bakes your cookies.  Just remember things *do* get better eventually, just
keep on riding.

Steve