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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:27:26 EDT
From:         "Wayne A. Meeks" <WMEEKS@YALEVM>
Subject:      NB4 Hebrew and LQ500 printing problems
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My NB4.0, Lingua, Orbis, and Ibid+ arrived here, ca. 75 mi. from NYC,
last Thursday.  I discovered later that a second copy had arrived at my summer
address in Western Massachussets, apparently on the same day (left in the rain
by UPS).  Installation seemed to run with no hitches.  I deferred printer
installation (as suggested in the program) until end, then installed twice:
once NB, once Lingua, as the program seemed to demand.

Problem 1: though the menus all work beautifully and (considering that I'm on
an XT clone steaming along at 8 megahertz) quite quickly, and the new Lingua
way of switching languages is a great improvement over SLS, Hebrew insists on
going from left to right.  Even when the "right to left" mode is invoked
(intended apparently for beginning paragraphs, columns, etc.), the letters
still move left to right.  Frustrating, since everything else seems to work
fine: even the beautiful feature of final letters appearing automatically when
you insert either a space or punctuation.
Problem 2: English prints fine, but both Greek and Hebrew print every
imaginable character OTHER than Greek or Hebrew.  The only .FNT file appearing
in my \NB4 subdirectory, produced by the installation, is NB.FNT.  Should
there be others?  The installation process ran (apparently) to its end, though
oddly it never prompted me to insert the second (5 1/4) floppy labeled "NB
LINGUA 2-FR".
Problem 3: the documentation says that whenever a 3.0 or 3.1 file is called to
screen in 4.0, the FF delta is _automatically_ inserted.  'Tain't so in my
case.
By the way: I can't see any change in function whether I make the active
keyboard the standard NB kbd or the Lingua kbd (using the menu to activate).
I.e., the CTRL-G, H, E, etc. works just the same.
Observation (for people like me who wondered if there would be enough room left
on the hard disk for the installation: My \NB4 subdirectory ends up with about
3.6 meg (about the same as my old NB subdirectory--which I'm holding onto
until I get the other stuff working).
I hope my puzzlement may be at least helpful to some others in a similar
situation--and perhaps others can suggest what I've failed to do.
Wayne A. Meeks
Yale University
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From:         "Prof. Sokoloff Michael" <sokoloff@BIMACS.CS.BIU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Arabic on NB
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I have your Arabic character file for HG+. Do you want me to send it to
you? Michael Sokoloff
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:22:37 -0700
From:         Willis Johnson <willis@VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
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The original screensaver from Hercules circa 1986 is still working on my
machine -- now a 386 w/ Hercules RAM font card -- and works fine w/ NB4.

Willis Johnson
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:39:11 EDT
From:         "J-PR" <RUIZJ@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NB4 arrival
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Hidden within the _NB Read First Intsallation_ foldout included with the
package which arrived today is the apology for delay plus 60 day money-back
guarantee for which, presumably, the clock starts ticking when _all
reference materials_ have arrived.  Any speculation as to when that will
happen: March 75, 19__?  More to the point, it appears that there are real
problems with printer support.  Just how _complete_ and _polished_ is this
realease, or is this a premature effort to keep subscribers from grumbling
any further?
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:15:28 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 Upgrade Installation
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A brief addition to my "gleam" of yesterday.

My own package has finally arrived, and I have discovered that the
upgrade packages rely on NB3 for more than just serialization
information.  They also use some of the speller and thesaurus files
from the older version.

This might explain the installation message that someone received when
trying to install NB 4.0 in the same directory that had been used by
NB 3.X.  Note that the installation instructions state clearly that you
must *either* install the NB 4.0 upgrade in a *different* directory
than the NB 3.X programs used, or *else* have the NB 3.X Master
Loading disk and Speller disk handy to insert when indicated.  When
one attempts to install in the same directory as NB 3.X then the
install program tries to copy WORD.OVR (and some other files) over
themselves, generating a DOS error.  This is probably the source of
the strange message reported earlier by some.

To repeat--the safest alternative is to install NB 4.0 in a
*different* directory than the one you used for NB 3.X.

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Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:33:21 CDT
From:         Robin Cover <robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Quick switching
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Quick switching between Roman/Hebrew (e.g.,) as was supported in 3.0
should INDEED be made a priority, as Itamar suggests.  He asks
users take time to write/call NBI about the very cumbersome and
error prone means that are available now under 4.0 -- asking them
to restore the built-in support.

BTW, Itamar, you referred to your "obsessive" writing to Steve Siebert
on this matter as "qol qore' bamidbar" -- as though, perhaps, in
Modern Hebrew this expression is as alive as in English.  I would
have supposed that the familiarity with the Hebrew text "behind" this
might have meant that the run-on (voice-calling-in-the-winderness)
so popular in Christian bibles but poetically 'incorrect' might have
been entirely un-idiomatic in Modern Hebrew.

rcc
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Date: 16 Oct 92 15:37:11 GMT
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Itamar--
    I have no problem switching back and forth between the NB Lingua
symbol set and the ASCII symbol set.  Perhaps it is your HGC+ (I have,
I think, an ATI; I know I don't have an HGC).  All I have to do when I
switch from one to the other is reactivate an appropriate printer, since
there can be, it seems, only one printer activated at any moment.
    Which leads me to two suggestions for your list:  one BADLY MISSING
FEATURE and one improvement:
    BADLY MISSING FEATURE:  support for Courier, or some other standard
fixed-width font, in Lingua.  (I know Michael Dick will agree with this
need|)  There seems to be some half-baked support:  my colleague has
managed to print using Courier and Hebrew together, as long as they were
on different lines.  But insert a Hebrew word into the Courier line and
try to print the file in exactly the same way, and the Hebrew characters
come out gibberish.
    IMPROVEMENT: The ability to establish a different default printer
for each "Symbol set."  I use a TI MicroLaser, with a wide variety of
fonts, for entirely-euro printing, but must activate its HP-emulation
mode for Lingua editing and printing, since the TI printer mode is not
supported by Lingua.
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Re: Orbis problems
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Sorry, I probably misunderstood Itamar's question.  In my previous
posting I explained how to transfer from Orbis to the edit window.
Itamar was asking about copying to a file.  I haven't found a direct
way, comparable to TB's similar procedure.  An attempt to SAD from
Orbis does not work, ditto APPEND.

j-p taakala
(takala)
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Subject: Re: NB4 Hebrew and LQ500 printing problems
From: gilf@vms.huji.ac.il (GIL FREUND)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:39 IDT
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In article <NOTABENE%92101304441838@TAUNIVM>, "Wayne A. Meeks" <WMEEKS@YALEVM> writes...
[deleted]
>
>Problem 1: though the menus all work beautifully and (considering that I'm on
>an XT clone steaming along at 8 megahertz) quite quickly, and the new Lingua
>way of switching languages is a great improvement over SLS, Hebrew insists on
>going from left to right.  Even when the "right to left" mode is invoked
>(intended apparently for beginning paragraphs, columns, etc.), the letters
>still move left to right.  Frustrating, since everything else seems to work
>fine: even the beautiful feature of final letters appearing automatically when
>you insert either a space or punctuation.
>Problem 2: English prints fine, but both Greek and Hebrew print every
>imaginable character OTHER than Greek or Hebrew.  The only .FNT file appearing
>in my \NB4 subdirectory, produced by the installation, is NB.FNT.  Should
>there be others?  The installation process ran (apparently) to its end, though
>oddly it never prompted me to insert the second (5 1/4) floppy labeled "NB
>LINGUA 2-FR".
>Problem 3: the documentation says that whenever a 3.0 or 3.1 file is called to
>screen in 4.0, the FF delta is _automatically_ inserted.  'Tain't so in my
>case.
[deleted]

Wild guess over here (there is a similar problem in NB 3.0 - Shapirit - which
I use). Check what printer table is loaded. If it's the NB table, direction
changes wan't work. You need an SLS (or Lingua) printer table.
Check to see NB 4.0 has separate printer tables for NB and Lingua. I'd guess
there is.

Gil
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From:         Phillip C Boardman <boardman@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>"Re:
              NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis" (Oct 12,  7:33pm)

Itamar,

In your helpful note on Ibid, you talk about running Ibid smoothly in both
NB4 and in NBLingua.  Are you talking about the programs as loaded with the
two versions of NB.COM that you described in an earlier posting, or are you
referring to some difference in mode in the program, like setting it for
the Hebrew or Cyrillic languages.  The scanty documentation I have (I'm
still using a late Beta) suggests that you're always in Lingua, period.  Are
 yousuggesting that to use Ibid in NB4, if one has purchased and installed the
Lingua version of the program, you should always use the /x switch to store??

Phil Boardman
University of Nevada, Reno
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Timetabling by computer
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              92 12:57 pm

Leon Litvak writes:
>
> Dear all,
> I used TextBase successfully to timetable all of my first-year students
> (270 of them) into appropriate tutorial times, avoiding clashes with other
> subjects.  This was fine in some measure, but there was some manual
> tweaking required to get things right.

It's funny that this is asked - it's exactly uppermost in my mind
right now too - must be because of the start of the UK academic
year.... And I was just asked yesterday about this.

But how on earth did you do this? Can you send me a manual to your use
of Textbase for this? PUH-LEEESE!!


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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 21:56:00 EDT
From:         Peter MacDonald <PMACDON@UNC>
Subject:      NB4 Install. & DRDOS 6.0/Superstore
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Has anyone had trouble installed NB 4.0 on a system with DRDOS 6.0?
After typing a:install, the files are copied & extracted from
Disk 1 but I can get no further than to the NB Command line promt "C:"
prompt "C:" - I never get asked to insert any other disks and my
keyboard locks up and I have to reset the computer EVERY TIME.
I fear it is my use of Superstor to compress all my disk space that
may be giving me a conflict.

I stripped down the config.sys and autoexec.bat, but that did not
help.

As a test, I successfully installed the program at work on another
286 with 1024 K memory, VGA, and DOS 3.x.

Please help!  I only received the program yesterday and fiddled
again with it at home tonight after work but just can't seem to make
any headway.  I'll call NBI on Monday if noone has any help for me.

My configuration is listed below.

286 compatible
640 K conventional memory
no extended memory
Hercules Graphics + card
6 meg of hard disk space left on C:
DRDOS 6.0
Superstor Disk Compression installed

------------------------------------------------
CONFIG.SYS

SHELL=C:\DRDOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DRDOS /P /E:1024
buffers=8
FILES=28
LASTDRIVE=I
------------------------------------------------
AUTOXEC.BAT

@ECHO OFF
SET PATH=C:\;C:\DRDOS;
PROMPT $p$g
------------------------------------------------

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Peter MacDonald
Technical Support Manager
Acquisitions Dept.
Davis Library
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
pmacdon@unc.bitnet
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From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB and Arabic
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            08-Oct-1992 10:09am EDT
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TO:    Michael Ossar                        ( _NOTABENE@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL )

SUBJECT: RE: NB and Arabic

There are several Arabic/English word processing software packages being
marketed these days, including AlKaatib and Multi-Lingual Scribe (or M-L
Scholar?) and probably others.  So I don't think we could assure NBI a vast
market.  Of course, I'm pretty sure NB-Arabic would be BETTER than the
alternatives (that's why we're all here, isn't it?) but obviously that's no
guarantee of anything, in this world where marketing counts for all, quality
for next to nothing.

Bob
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              13, 92 9:45 am

Thanks to William H. TeBrake for his details on other software; but
what got me jumping up and down was Leon Litvak's nonchalant
observation that he can use Textbase for timetabling..... you know,
the impossible we do at once; miracles take a bit longer!!

Gimme da lowdown, man.....
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:33:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1
Subject:      Re: 4.0 and its documentation
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Rob Rittenhouse's concern about the way NB4 menus work is configurable via
the Set--Other--Help (just checked: it's Set--Other--System/Help). There are
several options for the way Help can work.

Rob Lavenda
lavenda@msus1
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Itamar, I have the same problem you described trying to switch back from ASCII
to Lingua, and I have an EGA card.  When I attempt the switch I am put
directly into the installation menu, and if I reject that, I remain in ASCII.
I tried quitting and reloading NB: no luck.  It really does seem to demand
putting the floppy disk back in and installing from scratch.

The other thing I would add to your list: as far as I can discover, it is
impossible to enter an accented character (whether you're in Lingua or ASCII
set seems to make no difference) in an Ibid bibliography template for adding
an item--though the Look-up menu _does_ accept accented characters.  So one
can look up items inserted under 3.1, but not add new ones!  This makes Ibid
practically worthless for me.
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Deskjet 500
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Regarding problems printing on Deskjet 500s, I'll just add 3 or 4 cents
worth (1967 dollars): I've been using the non-Lingua version with
the DJ500. The driver works fine for basic stuff, but still needs some
refinement for things like sub/superscripts. The method for scripting
was changed between the beta and "final" release versions - neither
approach is entirely satisfactory. The first used smaller fonts, and tended
to shift the scripts too much. The later version used the same size font,
and a half-line shift. As far as using non-built-in fonts (e.g. cartridges),
NBI is still working on that. Same for downloadable fonts available from
HP. I spoke to Rebecca about this about a month ago, and she said she might
be able to polish up the drivers that weekend (I hope they're paying her
a lot), but alas, I never heard from her again. I recommend DJ users
send imploring/begging/threatening letters (as appropriate to your
personality) and maybe NBI will get around to completing these drivers
sooner.

Michael Jasper
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
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> Robert Lavenda writes:
>
> Ideally, I'd like a screen saver that worked over any NB screen. Any
> recommendations? P.S. My video card does not have its own screen blanker.

  I recommed CRUISE, which is also a cursor and key-repeat rate adjustment
program.  I've used it on several different machines always with NB -- both NB
3.0, 3.1, and now 4.0, and it has never interfered, or been interfered with by
the NB keyboard.  Obvious disadvantage: it's neither public nor shareware, but
cost app. $40. -- check PC Connection.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:11:18 EDT
From:         "RANDALL D. WIGHT" <wight@OBU.ARKNET.EDU>
Subject:      Installation and use of Orbis
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I would appreciate help installing and using Orbis.  I followed the
installation procedure set-by-set and seem then able to generate a
database--at least .DAT files etc show up in the Orbis subdirectory--but
the final move of the installation attempt results in an "Internal Error 9009"
message.  Orbis refuses to access the new .DAT files in its subdirectory.
Relatedly, an attempt to set the Orbis options following installation via the
SET menu prompts an "Install Orbis" message.

Itmar suggests (a) not to lh nb--I didn't--and (b) to make sure, if I
understood correctly, that the .TMP, .CTL, and .SUB files are in the
appropiate subdirectory.  The only Orbis files I find anywhere--excluding the
DAT et al files mentioned above--have the extentions .EXE, .HLD, .LST, and
OVR by 3.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


________________________________________________________________________________
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Department of Psychology			wight@obu.arknet.edu
Ouachita Baptist University
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Accents, Umlauts, Orbis Search
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There seems to be a solution to the problem of entering accented/
umlauted/circumflexed/non-plain-a-to-z-characters to the Orbis
search window so simple I'm almost afraid to say it:

Use a .kbd file which, instead of defining those characters as
a sequence of the type "ni,o,ov,*,u", has the "plain" accented
character on the right side of the definition, just like the
non-English .kbd files in 3.0 and 3.1 have.

For instance, in the Finnish, Swedish and (I guess) German keyboards
the unshifted key no 39 is defined as>
39=ni,o,ov,*,u
If you use the definition (as in 3.0, 3.1):
39=x
where x stands for the actual lowercase o-umlaut, you can enter
that in Orbis search window, too.

This works for the non-shifted and shifted keyboard.  I did not
not try other tables, but would guess it works there too, because
the problem seems to be that somehow Orbis presently cannot
handle the OV,* procedure.

CAUTION.  I don't know why NBI chose not to use the 3.0,3.1
way of mapping accented characters.  If they had a good
reason, there might be some adverse effects from going about
it the way suggested here.

j-p takala
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