From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:57:51 GMT

graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.193447.16332@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes...
>>In article <C007FI.Fun@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
>>|> I personally know at least four families who are more interested in
>>|> sucking blood from these programs than getting jobs and becoming
>>|> responsible.
>>|> 
>>|> One of them actually sells their foodstamps to others.
>>|> 
>>|> This all makes me sick, and when my tax dollars are spent on those
>>|> who truly need them, rather than the welfare society that our know-it-all
>>|> liberals have created, I'll be the first to use the above argument.
>> 
>> 
>>The real problem with our welfare system is that it "traps" people
>>into a cycle of poverty, from which they cannot emerge.  Many people
>>cannot afford to live on welfare.  So they seek out a job.  If they
>>can find one, it pays less than welfare does, and it will probably
>>cause them to lose their welfare benefits.  So they stay out of work
>>because they have kids to feed.  I think that this is one of the 
>>problems at the base of America's decline.  People are unable to 
>>work or can't find a job.  They are unable to raise their children
>>with the values that they were raised with.  I think that the number
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>I don't understand what you mean by "values" here.

Liberal Definition of Values: Restrictions stopping us from doing anything
			      we want without any repercussions or
			      responsibilities.

It seems to me these values are being taught very well to liberal's children.
Poor kids.

>> 

>>When you give people jobs, you give them dignity.  With dignity, they
>>can raise their children right, pass on morals and help keep a sense
>>of order in our society.

>This hasn't been my experience.  It sounds wonderful, but reality
>says otherwise.

>Those four families I mentioned earlier have all been given numerous
>"jobs", and have managed to lose each and every one of them, NOT because
>they weren't capable of doing them, but because they were too LAZY and
>undisciplined to be there on time, and every day that they should
>have.  If there was a problem, they didn't even bother calling in.

>And they clearly didn't care.  Why?  Because they knew that welfare
>would bale them out.  How do I know?  They told me.

This is what I have repeatedly labeled the "incentives to stay poor".

>> 
>>How are we going to do this?  I don't know, but until we figure it 
>>out, these people have to eat somehow.  Welfare was never meant to
>>be a permanent program, and it has not worked well in the long run.

>All welfare recipients should be required, if physically able, to
>perform ... GASP!!!.... some form of community service.

>That's a darned good, positive, and constructive beginning.

Good idea!  They also should be forced to demonstrate a willingness to
educate or prepare themselves for REAL LIFE.  

>> 
>>Jared Dahl
>>Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
>>Don't send e-mail - I won't get it.

>Jim Graham 

>        -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
>                          Neither do they speak for me.
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Good job Mr. Graham.


Edward Simmonds


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