HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donna@peabody.eece.unm.edu (Donna Koechner-G)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Can you threshold interactively with scrollbar?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:19:45 GMT

On Sep 30,  2:13am, R. Wade Schuette wrote:
} Subject: Can you threshold interactively with scrollbar?
} This is a dumb new-user question.  Is there a way to threshold
} an image interactively and/or a way to plug a scroll-bar type
} control into a numerical slot in cantata so you can slide it up
} and down and watch the image change as the threshold changes?
} 
} You can do this in NIH Image and NCSA Image but I haven't figured
} out how to do it in Khoros.  Thanks!
} 
} Wade
} 
} - -- 
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}-- End of excerpt from R. Wade Schuette



There are interactive windowing and thresholding functions in 
editimage under Display Utilities.

Donna Koechner
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: jgs@photon.photon.com (Joe Shanks)
Subject: Re: Sources for TIFF
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:42:33 GMT

     If you are running on an SGI platform, the system command

		'IMGCOPY' will convert    .RGB  <==>  .TIFF,

and you can use the KHOROS routines

	'TIFF2VIFF',  'VIFF2TIFF' to  convert  .TIFF  <==> .VIFF.

								-- Joe
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From: danielle@chama.eece.unm.edu (Danielle Argiro)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Updated FAQ's - Important!
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:37:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40803


        Hi all,

	Just a note to let you know:

	- the Regular Khoros FAQ has been totally re-organised:  
	  it has been divided up into categories for easier reference, 
	  has had several questions moved to the Compile FAQ, and has had
	  almost all its numbers changed.

	- the new Compile FAQ has had several new questions added, some
	  questions from the old regular FAQ and some new ones.

	So. Both FAQ's will follow this note.  PLEASE REPLACE any old
	FAQ's you may have hanging around with these NEW UPDATED documents.
	To avoid confusion, you should delete the old copies;  questions have 
	been moved around but none have been deleted, so you won't lose 
	anything!

	Also, I'd like to thank the people who wrote to me with suggestions
	for the compile FAQ.
	

		thanks alot,

			~ danielle
	
	PS. I'm still up for more suggestions for (either) FAQ 
	    if anyone has more good ideas!

	PPS.  Both FAQ's are available on pprg.eece.unm.edu in 
	      /pub/khoros/release if you need them via ftp.

       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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       ~   Software Design & Development, The Khoros Group      ~
       ~   Room 110, EECE Building, UNM;  Albq, NM 87131        ~
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From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Problems with xvroutine compile
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:59:18 GMT

Hi,

On Sep 25,  6:04, Gunnar Adams wrote:
} Subject: Problems with xvroutine compile
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> trying to compile putimage as a test for future developments, I came up with
>> the following error message (It seems to be the same for all Khoros xv-applications!)
>> 
>> 
>> gcc -traditional -fstrength-reduce -fpcc-struct-return -o putimage lputimage.o  putimage.o  -L/home/khoros/lib -L/usr/lang/SC1.0.1 -L/vol/X11/lib  -O -v -ldisplay  -lxvplot  -lgraphics  -lxvforms  -lxvutils  -lghost  -lvexpr  -lnum_anal  -ldspl  -lformat  -lgeo_surf  -lvipl  -lvutils  -lvmath  -lvrast  -lvgparm  -lverror  -ltiff  -lm -ll  -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11   
>> Reading specs from /vol/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sun4/2.2.1/specs
>> gcc version 2.2.1
>>  /vol/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sun4/2.2.1/ld -e start -dc -dp -o putimage /lib/crt0.o -L/home/khoros/lib -L/usr/lang/SC1.0.1 -L/vol/X11/lib -L/vol/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sun4/2.2.1 -L/vol/gnu/lib lputimage.o putimage.o -ldisplay -lxvplot -lgraphics -lxvforms -lxvutils -lghost -lvexpr -lnum_anal -ldspl -lformat -lgeo_surf -lvipl -lvutils -lvmath -lvrast -lvgparm -lverror -ltiff -lm -ll -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lgcc -lc -lgcc
>> /lib/libc.a(mbstowcs.o): Undefined symbol _dlsym referenced from text segment
>> /lib/libc.a(wcstombs.o): Undefined symbol _dlsym referenced from text segment
>> /lib/libc.a(mblib.o): Undefined symbol _dlclose referenced from text segment
>> /lib/libc.a(mblib.o): Undefined symbol _dlopen referenced from text segment
>> *** Error code 1
>> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `putimage'
>> 
>> What is the matter? Do you have any ideas ?

We recommend that you get gcc version 2.2.2, I think 2.2.1 has some bad bugs...

Next in the sun.cf file add the following

#define CcCmd gcc -O2 -fstrength-reduce
And change the line
#  define LibraryCcCmd cc
to
#  define LibraryCcCmd gcc -O2 -fstrength-reduce

In the Library.def file you need to change the line
#define SysLibs -lm -ll
to
#define SysLibs -lm -ll -ldl


>> 
>> Also, I encountered a (rather small) problem using the ghostroutines. I ran
>> ghostwriter on the putimage.prog / pane files. It seems, that the variable
>> names for the input/output interface are appended by the file types.
>> The program uses variables such as 'xvroutine->x' whereas in the structure
>> definition for 'xvroutine' it is 'xvroutine->x_int'. Is this intended or did
>> I make a mistake using ghostwriter?

Make sure you run ghostwriter with the following option

	ghostwriter -tag 0

>> 
>> Thanks
>> 	Gunnar
}-- End of excerpt from Gunnar Adams

This should solve your problems

Good Luck,

Tom

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The Khoros Group          |
Dept. of EECE             |  
University of New Mexico  |  Phone: (505) 277-6563
Albuquerque, NM 87131     |    Fax: (505) 277-1439
============================================================================
From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: New xprism3
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:34:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40742

Hi,


On Oct 1,  6:30, George Huffman wrote:
} Subject: New xprism3
>> Tom Sauer - [I'm asking on the net on the assumption that other folks
>> will have the same question]  Is the automatic update the only new
>> capability of the new xprism3?
>> 
>> George Huffman
}-- End of excerpt from George Huffman


YES!!  Xprism3 works exactly the same with the same functionality as before.
Now it has the file update capability, so one does not have to restart 
xprism3 every time the data changes.

This functionality has NOT been added to xprism2!

Thanks,

Tom


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From: leo@biomed.ee.ethz.ch
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: error compiling toolbox routine
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:15:13 GMT


hi

i'm working on a RS6000 AIX 3.2.1 and i installed my own toolbox. i followed
Carla Williams's tutorial on creating a vroutine. i wrote my on routine
(vcross) and installed it using kinstall. i was not able to use composer to
call kinstall (some error with TRAP) and instead called it from a ksh.
everything seemed to work correctly, but when i try to re-make it in the
$CEREC_TOOLS/src/vcross directory i get the following message:

Make: Do not know how to make cerec_tools.
        Check that the target is defined in the description file
        and that the dependency files exist.
   Quitting.

i took a look at the Makefile and i found two lines that seem to cause the
problem -

TOOLBOX_LIBRARIES = cerec_tools
TOOLBOX_DEP_LIBRARIES = cerec_tools

- but i don't know how to fix it.

do i have to re-install vcross, or is there an other way to make it work?

thank you

leo

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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: mathew@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Mathew Yeates)
Subject: Re: how to read n images form a single file
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:03:05 GMT

teku@ipld01.hac.com (Hagos Teku) writes:

>I want to read n images from the same file and do some operation and write to an output file.
>            thank you!

use raw2viff with the number of bands = number of images in the file.
Then use vbandspt1 to extract specific images.

Mathew Yeates
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:53:48 GMT
Subject: Re: request: bins for hp-9000*
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
From: ytang@blue.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Yuan-Ling Tang)
Subject: Problem with "vclose"
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:48:54 GMT


     For a non-square images, the "vclose" seems not working well. I
     tried to use a 50x150 image, "vdrf" and "vdiff" it, and pass them
     to "vclose." However, the "vclose" always creates a vertical line
     in the output image at column 49 even if there is no edge report in
     that region. I also tried other non-square images, the same thing
     happened except the position of the vertical line was different.
     I figured out that the "vclose" will create a line at the position
     that matches the height of the image. Is "vclose" assuming that the
     image is a square one?

-Tang
From: jb@ime.usp.br (Junior Barrera)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: VECTOR REPRESENTATION IN VIFF
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:26:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40658


I have read the manual and explored the khores sources, but I did not arrived to a conclusion. Is it possible to represent a binary image in vector form (i.e., as an array of coordenates {(x1, y1), (x2, y2), ...} of one value pixels) using the VIFF format?

If the answer is yes, what are the subroutines that I should use in order to read and write these files?

Best regards,

Junior Barrera
From: wing@thunder.tamu.edu (Wing Chan Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:40:26 GMT

Hi,
	I just downloaded the Khoros patch 5 and its associated files
to my SGI 410VGX (via CPU hardware upgrade from R3000 to R4000).  The
operation system is 4.0.4 and has display postscript option installed.
When I tried to display the postscript files, I got error messages
telling me that "pagecount" was not defined, except the announce.ps
file.  I then commented out the line

 /pgc statusdict begin pagecount end def 

and was able to display the postscript file.  The first page looks fine,
however, the font size of the following pages are so large that only a 
small corner of the page is displayed.  I don't think I can print these
postscript files as is.  Can you tell me how to fix them up so that
I can print them.  Thanks.

Wing Chan Wong				October 2, 1992
Visualization Scientist			wing@thunder.tamu.edu
Biomedical Communications		(409)845-1934
Rm 8, Med. Sci. Lib. Bldg.
College Station, TX 77843-1114
From: huffman@donna.gsfc.nasa.gov (George Huffman)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  color maps
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:45:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40655

Hi - while color maps are up for discussion, how do you create a "colormap
image" that is sure to have colors assigned to all the byte values in some
range?  When I create a colormap image from a real image, some of the byte
values are missing, so when I tranfer the colormap, the next image
almost always has some pixels with no color assigned (i.e., they have
their original color).

George Huffman
From: arots@xebec.gsfc.nasa.gov (Arnold Rots)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  grey scale morphology toolbox installation
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:29:43 GMT

You wrote (about the cantata.form file):

> (Alternately you can set this as the default form in your
>  .khoros_env file.)

Is that really true?  As far as I know this files has the
nastiest hiding place of all, in the .Xdefaults file (and
That's what I told Wade in a follow-up message that I did
not want to clutter the Khoros mail with).

  - Arnold Rots
From: rasure@borris.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: VECTOR REPRESENTATION IN VIFF
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:38:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40682


In "VECTOR REPRESENTATION IN VIFF", Junior Barrera writes:
+ 
+ I have read the manual and explored the khores sources, but I did not
+ arrived to a conclusion. Is it possible to represent a binary image in
+ vector form (i.e., as an array of coordenates {(x1, y1), (x2, y2), ...}
+ of one value pixels) using the VIFF format?

VIFF in Khoros 1.0 is not good for storing polylines (vectors).  There are
some routines that do store x and y coordinate pairs in a viff, but there
is not a consistent or elegant way to do it.

This is one of the things that was addressed for Khoros 2.0

+ 
+ If the answer is yes, what are the subroutines that I should use in order to read and write these files?
+ 
+ Best regards,
+ 
+ Junior Barrera
End of message from Junior Barrera
From: carla@snidley.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  grey scale morphology toolbox installation
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:08:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40715

Arnold Rots replied to Wade Sherer:
>> ...
>> However, the morph toolbox still does not show up on the toolbox button
>> in cantata.
>> ...
>
>Did you modify the cantata.form file in $KHOROS_HOME/repos/cantata?
>(see instructions in that file)
>
>Hope this helps,
>

You just need to run Cantata using the toolbox form:

	$ cantata -form $MORPHO/repos/cantata/morpho.form

(Alternately you can set this as the default form in your
 .khoros_env file.)  Suggestions for accessing multiple
 toolboxes are included at the end of the vroutine tutorial.

 Carla
From: scherer@sdisu1.den.mmc.com (Wade Scherer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: more on adding the morph libs
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:17:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40661

Hello again,


Since my last message, I have looked at my make process a little more 
and the results (errors) of make install in particular.  Make install wants
to build $KHOROS_HOME/lib/libghost.a.  This directory, nor file exist in my
$KHOROS_HOME.  I am using patch 1.5.  Where do I go from here?

thanks for the help

wade scherer
From: klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros,sci.image.processing
Subject: alpha release of C++ image processing library available
Summary: available for testing.
Keywords: C++ VIFF
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:12:04 GMT
Organization: University of Twente, BSC-El

As an alpha release is now available cppima, a C++ image processing
library. Currently is I/O supported to the KHOROS VIFF format.
This library is targeted towards single band, not-mapped image data.

An excerpt from the documentation:
]
]The C++ image CppIma library is a way to provide an interface from C++
]to common operations on images. The operations are except structural
]operations like I/O and creation also utilities as iterators and
]histograms.
]
]Primary goal is to have a library which enables easy construction of
]image processing programs. Performance of these programs is the second
]goal. This division in primary and secondary goal is supported in the
]library, with possiblities for tuning to high-performance.  Strict
]image processing is not supported. The library is aimed at making such
]processing as simple as possible, without much adminstrative fuss.
]
]The library is targeted to version Cfront 2.1 and higher compatible
]compilers. Currently is tested against Sun C++ 2.1 and gcc 2.2.1.  It
]should run on any machine having 8 bit characters, 32 bit integers and
]64 bit doubles. Ports to other platforms as Sun4, SunOS 4.1.1 are
]welcome.
]
]The design philosophy was to create a way to let all image processing
]routines work on all kinds of image. This to prevent that for a simple
]algorithm many versions for many different image types has to be
]written. If a single algorithm cannot be efficient, because of many
]casts, or virtual functions for data access, a template mechanism is
]supported to reduce the problems in writing the different versions.
]
]

If you are interested, send mail to:

	klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl

Klamer

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From: arots@xebec.gsfc.nasa.gov (Arnold Rots)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Ignorant new khoros user question
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:03:41 GMT

You must have ftp-ed more than just binaries.  If you are lucky you
should have a directory $KHOROS_HOME/manual, and thenm you should be
able to use prnmanual to get what you want.
If you're really stuck or just want to print things without any hassle,
you could ftp /pub/khoros/hardcopy/hardcopy.tar.
I don't know whether it resides on any of the European ftp sites.  It
is definitely at pprg.eece.unm.edu, but be prepared for 4.5 MB.

Veel succes,

  - Arnold Rots
From: arots@xebec.gsfc.nasa.gov (Arnold Rots)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: grey scale morphology toolbox installation
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:58:07 GMT

Wade Scherer wrote:

> ...
> However, the morph toolbox still does not show up on the toolbox button
> in cantata.
> ...

Did you modify the cantata.form file in $KHOROS_HOME/repos/cantata?
(see instructions in that file)

Hope this helps,


  - Arnold Rots
From: dousson@sasg1.epfl.ch (Jacqueline Dousson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Cray-YMP and SGI
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:32:06 GMT
Organization: Swiss Federal School of Technology

We have installed khoros on a Cray YMP-4E.
It's OK when the server is a sun workstation.
With a SGI workstation, as a X server, (IRIX 4), we have many problems,
even some core dumps.

Has anybody encountered this situation?

-- 
Jacqueline Dousson
Swiss Federal School of Technology-Lausanne
tel (021) 693 2246 - 2211
From: danielle@chama.eece.unm.edu (Danielle Argiro)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: FAQ for Compiling - Contributions, Please
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40652


        Hi there,

        I just sent our first version of the new FAQ for Compiling;
        An attempt to provide answers to compile problems in a single 
	place.   I know that many of you have had trouble compiling 
	the Khoros system, and have also (hopefully!) solved those 
	problems, either with the help of others or on your own.  

	Now is the time to pass on your hard-won experience to others!
	I would ask anyone who has experienced such problems and found 
	a solution to *please* mail to me these as contributions to the 
	new Compile FAQ.  It will be of much help to other users who 
	may have trouble compiling the Khoros system.   It should also 
	aid in cutting down on the number of messages to this news group 
	concerning compiles & installation, as questions & answers will
	be conveniently located in one place. 

		As always, thanks so much for your support!

			~ danielle
	
	ps.  It would be *greatly* appreciated if contributions are
	     phrased in the form of Question followed by Answer,
	     and also if they are checked for spelling and grammer.

			 === thanks! ===

       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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       ~   Software Design & Development, The Khoros Group      ~
       ~   Room 110, EECE Building, UNM;  Albq, NM 87131        ~
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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: ytang@blue.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Yuan-Ling Tang)
Subject: "Annotation" without using "Plot"
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:05:11 GMT


Hi netters,

    Here is my problem: In "xprism2" session, when I tried to plot something
    using "annotation", the system always prompts me that I have to use
    "Plot" subform to create a graphics workspace. But what I really
    wanted was just to draw some graph. Also, I don't like my output to
    show the X,Y axes. So, the question is, can I draw something without
    creating the workspace? Or do I have to use commands other than
    "xprism2" for just drawing? Any help will be highly appreciated.
    Thanks.

-Tang
From: scherer@sdisu1.den.mmc.com (Wade Scherer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: grey scale morphology toolbox installation
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:42:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40689

Back Again, 

I have gotten the make Makefile Makefiles, make depend, and make install 
all to execute successfully for installation of the grey scale morphology 
toolbox.  To do this:

	1.  the /LIB line in the SUBDIRS definition in src/Imakefile 
		has to deleted.

	2.  the Imakefiles for vgballse, vgdiskse and vgmtophat must be edited 
		and the SRCS definition must be changed to 

		SRCS = ../Lib/lvg@@@@@@@.c \ 
			vg @@@@@@@@.c 

		and the OBJS definition must be changed to 

		OBJS = ../Lib/lvg@@@@@@@.o \ 
			vg @@@@@@@@.o

However, the morph toolbox still does not show up on the toolbox button
in cantata.  

I have edited the Toolboxes file (as specified in the README)
and copied it to $KHOROS_HOME/morph_toolbox/morpho 

as well as setenv $KHOROS_TOOLBOX/morph_toolbox/morpho.

Finally, I decided to resort to the documentation on installing a toolbox.  
It seems that most of the work was done for us fortunate Khoros users in 
this installation.  I tried to use kraftsman and saw that the 
MORPHO toolbox is visible to kraftsman.  With all of these things 
looking so good, where can the problem be?

Should I have deleted the EXAMPLE TOOLBOX info from the Toolboxes file?  
The readme did not seem to recommend this as necessary (it said add 
the following line:  MORPHO.....).  Or do I need to delete the 
EXAMPLE TOOLBOX using kraftsman after this installation process 
has been executed.

Additionaly, no file called .Toolbox_info (as specified in Toolboxes) 
exists in morpho/src.  Is this a problem, I touched one there just in case.

Your help will be greatly appreciated, success is too close to quit now.

thanks again   wade scherer
From: Bernhard.Schneck@physik.tu-muenchen.de
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Setting Up Anon FTP archive
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:38:04 GMT

In message <9209251400.AA01013@chama.eece.unm.edu> you write:
 > How do you get the informative paragraphs listing the contents
 > each time you change directory?  I see the files .msgs
 > in each directory.  Is there something special that
 > must be done to activate it?

Use a current version of the ftp server (eg from wuarchive.wustl.edu)

 > Tim Szeliga   National Weather Service  tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov

\Bernhard.