From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Organization: Michigan Technological University
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:54:16 GMT

wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
: In article <1993Jan1.212401.258@mtu.edu> barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera) writes:
: >
: >Merely guidelines that have been shown to be effective in communicating
: >nicely. As I said, if one chooses not to follow them, that person is
: >responsible for others dislike of him/her.
: 
: This is very true.
: One thing I would like to pointed out was that Freedom of Speech is 
: different from the Manners.  I hate to see some that people with bad 
: manners say 'this is freedom of speech' pretending that they are
: advocators of freedom.  Expressing anger in bad way is not any sort of
: freedom of speech.
: 

I see what you are saying. It is true that some people will hide behind their
"rights" as an excuse for bad manners. However, it truly is that persons right
to do so. It is also that persons right to make a fool of him/herself or to
cause him/herself to lose credibility by doing so. But... I am repeating what
I already said :)))

: As I said, nothing prevents one from flaming others by insulting them or
: by saying bad words.  But this should not be rationalized by
: Freedom of Speech.  Rather, it should be avoided since later follow-ups
: which are usually the revenge of the flame and insult, and revenges to
: the revenge, is not useful to anybody.
: And for themselves also, as you said (and as guide lines say),
: since they are losing their credibility to the public.
: 

Unfortunately, there is little one can do if a person without self-control does
not realize how he/she appears to others.

: 
: I believe that I explained about this in the next follow-up article that 
: you just replied to.  I explained there why it is not just a matter of 
: typing n or k or managing KILL files.
: I would like to listen to your opinions regarding on this also.
: 

I so far have never tried to learn how to use a kill file. However, I think
it depends on which program you use to read your USENET news. I think though
that it may appear difficult initially, but once you learn it will be easier.
Maybe it is unfortunate, but you might be forced to learn how to use a KILL
file.

: 
: I never needed to manage KILL files for other newsgroups.
: I do need a local KILL file for this this newsgroup.
: Maybe this is a common situation for most  soc.culture.* ?
: 

Unfortunately yes it is very common for I think every soc.culture group :( 
I don't think this group has had problems much before. If it does now, maybe
it was long over-due.

*sigh* oh well...  :)

One has to take both the good and the bad. :)

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-chris barrera      barrera@mtu.edu     gorim@irc  :-)