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From: donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja)
Subject: Re: Recipes
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:22:49 GMT


>>*** Rajang bawang pere kecil kecil, bawang juga. Jangan bawang putih
>>besar. Bawang merah yang besar dipotong kecil kecil.
>
>
>Bawang daun suka dicampur nggak ? Apa gosong entar ? He he he...

Bawang pere itu apa sih? Nama Inggrisnya apa?

>
>
>>****Masukkan bawangpere dan bawangmerah tadi ke kuali.
>>***** Nasi yang sudah masak masukkan ke kuali dan campur dengan kecap
>>                                                                ^^^^^
>>sotong buatan Thailand. Warnanya coklat jernih. Keemudian boleh
>>^^^^^^
>>ditambah dengan kecap asin biasa.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Wah, kecap sotong itu apa ?
>Bagaimana kalau dicampur kecap manis ?
>Iya ya, sampai sekarang susah dapat pengganti kecap manis,
>sebenarnya dikasih gula rasanya jadi kacau nggak ya ?
>

Yesterday, saya mampir ke salah satu asian store di Cornell. Mereka
jual kecap manis ABC!!! 
Saya sudah pernah masak nasi goreng + gula. Rasanya enak juga.
(Kalau nggak enak, tambahin chili powder yang banyak! My solution
to my lousy cooking)
 
>
>>******* Telor dimatasapi atau didadar. Tomat diiris iris dan selada
>>juga. (Terpisah dengan nasinya).
>>Belakangan baru dicampur.
>>
>
>
>Pernah coba telornya langsung dicampur sama nasinya waktu digoreng ?
>Seperti scrambled eggs kecil-kecil, rasa telurnya lebih tercampur
>nasinya, enak juga :) :)

Trims! saya akan coba malam ini!

Roommates: Oh No! Fried rice? Again!??!!?!
Donald: Shaddap! Or I'll make you guys eat this!

Donald Wihardja


-- 
CS Department, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York.
From: oliveira@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jorge-Nuno Oliveira Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Budi/Luis
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:43:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu


 rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes
>In <LMS.92Nov11174452@rle-vlsi.mit.edu> lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silv>eira) writes:

>...
>>It seems mots of the Indonesians were not very well aware of the
>>situation (I am not claiming we or I know everything about it either).
>...

>You don't know that for a fact.
>We know the situation better than you, so just drop it will you.

It does not show. I think you dont, and the Indonesian people neither.

BTW, today is November 12.


>-- budi
>-- 
>Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
>Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton position about ET
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:55:47 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov12.085435.268@inesc.pt> Mr. Rui Gustavo Crespo writes:
>Today, the portuguese radio announced that Bill Clinton declared he is very
>concerned about the East Timorease people.
The US president-elect may promise anything he wants to. ^_^

>He said that aid to Indonesia may be cut and intends to
>involve more the US government in the affair.
Ah, the old all powerful economic sanction method!  I wonder
if later on a coalition to simply invade Indonesia will be
made (sorry, I just HAVE to say it :)  ^_^ <- smiley, ok!!!

>This, I believe, could be the best thing to repair the 12th November 91
>massacre at Santa Cruz cemetry and the 200 000 ET killed by the Indonesian
>army in the last 17 years.
I certainly hope Mr. Crespo is referring to the deleted statement
right before these, rather than the US interference.

>
>All the best...
>
>---Crespo

Of all things, however, this thought came to mind:
What is this (Mr. Crespo's) post doing here?  Surely Mr. Clinton
can say (even do) anything he like as president-elect (and later
as the president of the USA), but is it relevant to post this
on the newsgroup alt.CULTURE.INDONESIA?

Sincerely,
^_^ regius ^_^
ps. sorry for the waste of computer resource.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Prasetya)
Subject: Yeah, why not talk ET.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:16:05 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

One conclusion that I think a lot will agree is:

Now comunism is out of fashion, East Timor has become a cumbersome
political, if not economical, burden for the Indonesians. Some pointed
it out to me that we can't let go East Timor because such may
encourage the revolt of other provinces. So it's a bit too late now,
isn't it? Sadly I must conclude that the embracing East Timor has been
a major blunder. 

-Jade-
From: soewito@infonode.ingr.com (Freddie Soewito)
Subject: Prejudice
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:23:47 GMT

What would you envision, when someone mentions Somalia?  What kind of
person would you think of, for a terrorist?  And depending upon what your
background is, you might have different attitude toward religious leaders,
governments, nationality, etc.

Someones' pre-judgement about a topic would give them such a disadvantage
subjective view to the whole situation.  With such a crippled view, the
matter will get worse when that someone is ill-equipped with minimal or no
information at all.

Anybody in this world will have bias.  It is nonsense to say anyone have a
completely objective view about anything.  In America for example, northern
people viewed the south is full of rednecks with "y'all" accents.  This
example perhaps show that bias is harmless.  However, there are other
examples such as in former Yugoslavia, in the Middle-East, etc., where
prejudice may cost someone's live.

As an educated person, we should analyze our prejudice, whether it is based
upon the actual truth (All East Asian people have yellow skin), some myth
(People with fangs are vampires), some old outdated facts (All Japanese are
short), some fictitious story (Arkansas people pluck chickens feathers for
life), or some ignorance (Portugeese are the Pork and Goose decendants).

We should be able to find enough up to date factual information to confirm
or deny our own prejudice.  Until then, we should keep our prejudice to
ourselves, and should not influence other people with our own unfounded
prejudice.

If you didn't want to find up any factual information, then you should not
spread your own prejudice to other people.  By spreading your own
prejudice, particularly in UseNet, you are wasting bandwith, wasting your
own time, wasting everybody else time.

Without any solid fact, all your accusations will be groundless.  Any
insane people who would answer your insane action, probably just like
another "shouting" match.  They probably would like to demonstrate to every
body else the prowess of writing nonsense.  Just like two dogs fighting
over an imaginary bone.  How silly!!

Free you mind from your prejudice.  Start fresh.  Use factual information
with independent interpretation.  View other people as human being.  Do not
view the whole nations from your experience with only one of its citizens.
For example, don't judge the Portuguese from their small (very loud)
minorities speaking in this newsgroup.

My best regards.

PS:
Indonesians have a proverb, which goes like this:
	"Anjing menggonggong, kafillah berlalu"
which should roughly translate to:
	"Dog barks, traveller passed by".

It means that those who barks day-in and day-out should be ignored.  So for
fellow humans, let us ignore those who barks day-in and day-out, rather
than lower ourselves to be in the canine-level.  Now if we ignore them,
sooner or later the dogs will get tired and stop barking, right?
--
<^_^>				Freddy Soewito; soewito@infonode.ingr.COM
*---Disclaimer:
None of the opinions represents the view of Intergraph Corporation in anyway.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Recipe:Apricot Wings
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:41:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Recipe
"Light Apricot Wings"
INGREDIENTS
*       3 pounds chicken wings (12 or 15)
*       2 T vege.oils
*       1 T lemon juice
*       1 t salt.
*       1/2 t liquid smoke
*       1/2 t hot pepper sauce
*       1 can (17 0unces) apricot halves,drained.
*       2 t ketchup (the last two item are for the APRICOT SAUCE).
t = teaspoon
T = tablespoon.

DIRECTIONS
*       Preheat oven to 425F.
*       Split the wings at each joints and discard tips; rinse, then
        pat dry.
*       Combine all the sauce ingredients in a blender.(until smooth)
*       Place chicken wings in a single layer on a rack in a shallow
        baking pan; brush with the apricot sauce.
*       Bake for 30 minutes until brown and crisp, basting with sauce
        after 15 minutes.  .

NOTES.
*       Liquid smoke is usually found in condiment section. Anyway,
        this is optional.
*       Kalo ada kata kata Inggeris yang nggak ngerti liat kamus dong.
*       Protes mengenai resep nggak DITERIMA. Kalau mau dirubah
        silahkan.
*       Selamat mencoba.
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Parent and child
Summary: Please DO NOT include such huge number of blank lines
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:36:01 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoakum.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1dp8u1INNmfo@agate.berkeley.edu> oliveira@sunkist.berkeley.edu (Jorge-Nuno Oliveira Silva) writes:
>
> Nice analogy. What corresponds to the killing of hundreds of thousands
>of ET people? That a good parent breaks his children bones on a regular
>basis?
>
>jn

First of all I'd like to ask anyone not to give a posting with such
*huge* number of blank lines.  Makes it difficult for us poor souls
who get to read all this on a dumb PC via the modem.

One of the recurring arguments of those attacking the Indonesian
gov. is that the Indonesian Armed Forces killed some two hundred
thousand East Timorese.  I have a basic objection to the use of
such 'statistics' due to the nature of statistics itself.  It is
often said that using statistical methods, you can prove anything.
While not entirely true, there's some truth to the statement.
The problem is that statistics is not about a single number.
You really need a set of numbers (a large set at that) to draw
a conclusion using statistical methods.  People often forget that
and simply use one number that fits their view the most and says
'statistics proven that'.
As far as I remember, the quoted number of 200,000 East Timorese
killed by the Indonesian Armed Forces has never had any other
number along with it, such as over what period of time, distribution
of victims, etc.  I've never even see the source of that number
quoted (by source I mean some party whose figures can be relied
upon).  Which make me doubt the validity of the 'statistics' used
here.
In short what I ask is the 'raw' numbers, all the distribution,
and whatever needed to actually perform statistical analysis.
I'm confident that Mr. Silva is more of an authority on what are
needed to do so.

^_^ regius ^_^
ps. Apologies for bad English.  I'm still a student after all.
From: iwirawan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Indra Wirawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: to all Portuguese
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:29:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

dewanto@cae.wisc.edu (Gaston Dewanto) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.060852.44539@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>... Stuff deleted...
>>successively, and in different ways enriched our identity. If you go
>>to Indonesia, you will find Mahatma Gandhi Street, Dr.Sun Yat Sen
>>Street,Jose Rizal Street for example,in almost every city in
>>Indonesia.This doesn't mean we don't have any other heroes. We do have
>>... etc...

>Seingat saya, saya tidak pernah menjumpai nama-nama jalan di atas.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    Well, have you been in all part of Indonesia ?

>Walaupun kita tidak suka dengan cara orang Portugis di newsletter ini,
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                         I bet this the only chance for these people
                         to express their unscrupulous thought.


>saya rasa tidak sepantasnya kita berbicara hal-hal yang tidak benar.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                  Do you have any evidence for these ?
     

>g.dewanto

>A

 Indra
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: More about Indonesian rest
From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:07:02 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: San Francisco State University

I forgot that I lived in San Francisco for 4.5 years, and should give some
comments about Indonesian food...

>From: jya00@testeng.amdahl.com (John Y. Arrasjid O32-2118 x68180)
>San Francisco:
>	Jakarta - Excellent food. One cook from Java and one from North Sumatra
>		- tastes just like being there. They have everything from Satay to
>		  Gado Gado, Cjendol to Ice Kelapa Muda, and even Nasi Ramas (Rijstaeffel).
>		  Largest Indonesian menu I've seen with many different dishes. Also, they
> 		  can make items not on the menu. The cook is VERY good.

My comments:

Yep, Jakarta is very good.... I like their food.. They even have Gudeg Yogya
which I couldnt find in any INdonesian rest that I have ever been in LA and SF

Its located in Balboa Ave, Richmond District

>	Bali	- Haven't been there yet

Been there once... dont remember it very well...

Located in Geary Blvd, RIchmond District


>	Cafe Indonesia - Haven't been there yet


Been there once... dont remember it very well either...
located in Geary Blvd

Other rest...
Bakmi Indonesia Raya...  specialize in Indonesian noodle, bakso, etc...
In Judah, Sunset District
food is okay...

Java Rest... never been there, located in Clement St., RIchmond District...


If I remember more... I will post it

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From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: about ET:to indonesians (others also welcome)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:13:48 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

guys,
i am getting tired of these (some) people from country that has neglected ET
for hundreds of years and now come and tell us of what we have,should and 
must do in ET. we are doing fine there. indeed there are integration problems
such as happened last time when some incompetence, irresponsible guardsmen
killed ETers. but actions have been taken. the wrongdoers have been punished.
we regret this, and we will try not to happen again. but please give us and
ETers chance to try to integrate. recall it has been just 17 (?) years since
the integration, which is relatively a short time. recall also portuguese had
been in ET doing no considerable development there for hundreds of years.
in our 17 years, development is obvious: schools, highways, etc. even some
local representatives are already in MPR (indonesian house of representatives).
and local government has been given to local people. fear and suspicion are
undeniably exist among ETers, but this mainly due to foreign propaganda 
that makes indonesian government and policy look bad due mainly to different
religious background of ETers with majority indonesians. this fear is base-less
since other parts of indonesia with religious background other than islam has
developed very rapidly (bali, north sumatra, ambon, irian jaya, etc).
so, dont let these people come to us and tell us what to do in ET after their
country did practically nothing there. they want us to leave ET ? then what 
would happen to those poor ETers ? would they be able to rely on portuguese 
again ? NOT ! 
my suggestion: instead of telling us we are wrong, help us find ways for faster
and smoother integration of ET to indonesia.

thank you 

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: wirawa_i@cs.uwa.oz.au (RAWRITE)
Subject: MY IDEA (PLEASE CONSIDER)
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:49:14 GMT

 Hi Buddy,

  I notice since this newsgroup was formed, the contents were mainly arguments
  about the right and wrong of East Timor, so I have an idea why not we rename
  this 'alt.culture.indonesia' to 'alt.argument.east.timor' so this would save
  people from reading all the 'very boring' discussions.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^


 Cheers,

 RW
From: oliveira@oreo.berkeley.edu (Jorge-Nuno Oliveira Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: ET come home
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:42:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oreo.berkeley.edu
Originator: oliveira@oreo.berkeley.edu



 ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra) writes









>Mario J. Silva ( msilva@mercenary.cs.berkeley.edu ) writes :

>> I have been in contact by email with several Indonesians that
>> read my post and sent me their notes saying they do not speak
>> out for that reason.  For me that is a sufficient proof.

>Wow ... ?  How about some Portugeses sent me email saying that
>I should not put my post about the result of President Soeharto
>gave speech in the UN and the result of Minister of Foreign 
>Affair Indonesia and Portugal met with the UN Secretary General
>last September in the UN ?
>They said they want to know what other Indonesians opinion about
>East Timor ?  


What? What do you mean? There are people from Indonesia that
are afraid to post their opinion here. It is serious.

>First of all, I want to know ... what do you Portugeses want by
>attacking us Indonesians about East Timor in this newsgroup ?
>Do you have any source(s) in your government to give the result
>of this discussions ?
>If NOT ..... I don't know what to say .... Ok, guys ?

East Timor people are beeing killed  since Indonesia invaded
ET in 75. You should face this. It is serious.

>Start ....

>...
   Non-Block countries.  App. 108 countries attended the Summit.



   will give the speech at the UN as a representative of Non-















>Well .... It's up to you.  I just don't want to see this news-
>group talk about East Timor.  Let our government decide about
>it, ok ?

No!


>...

>Thank's for reading my post.
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>	Sekali merdeka tetap merdeka
>--------------------------------------- Wira Putra -----------
>------ ck345@cleveland.freenet.edu ---------------------------
>-- 

BTW, tomorrow is November 12.

jn



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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:17:29 EST
From: <NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Portugese : same ol' crap....
 <1992Nov11.132927.6273@donau.et.tudelft.nl>
 <1992Nov12.043228.10541@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp>

In article <1992Nov12.043228.10541@wsdnws.waseda.ac.jp>, g9k079@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
("Pitoyo HARTONO") says:

>Saya sangat setuju dengan pendapat saudara Anto.Meng'generalisasi' bangsa
>barat sebagai orang - orang yang dungu adalah pendapat yang sangat picik.
>Dan lagi rasa - rasanya sayang kalau net ini diisi dengan kata - kata kasar
>seperti yang dilontarkan oleh saudara Nordin.
>Untuk saudara Nordin, yang berbudaya dikitlah.......
>
>--
>                        Pitoyo HARTONO
>                        g9k079@cfi.waseda.ac.jp

Saya juga sangat setuju dengan pendapat saudara Anto.  Tetapi the ex-colonial
countries don't give the two hoots about it.  What they care is the third
world countries are their....implicitly.

Yeah...I should have a little "respect" in this group seperti yang saudara
sarankan.  OK.  I accept your advice.

No apology is offered.

-azlan nordin-
  Penn State
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Facts #1
Keywords: timor facts
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:10:38 GMT

In <Bx9Jyw.5E1.1@cs.cmu.edu> joao+@cs.cmu.edu (Joao Costeira) writes:
>Nice sources! You know that guy (forgot the name, he is in Canda now!) that
>said Auschwitz was built after the war, claming it's basically propaganda?
>If your criteria for independent informations is this....
Did I claim that's an independent source ?
I stated clearly that I got the source from Indonesian Embassy.
You (otheres and I) may take that as consideration when reading it.
At least we can hear their side of the story. 

>There is a sayng: The worst blind is the one who doesn't want to see!
> By 
> Joao

I read news from many sources, I watched the november 12 video, etc.
I tried to be open minded, but it seems you don't want to
hear anything other than your own sources. If that's the case, fine.
I am not going to force you to read it, you can ignore my postings.
-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: jorgej@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Joaquim Jorge)
Subject: Re: to all Portuguese
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
	<LMS.92Nov5012511@rle-vlsi.mit.edu> <lfuj6qINNcis@ozona.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:22:35 GMT

In article <lfuj6qINNcis@ozona.cs.utexas.edu> andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:

   References: <1992Nov4.003837.44377@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <LMS.92Nov5012511@rle-vlsi.mit.edu>
   NNTP-Posting-Host: ozona.cs.utexas.edu


   [...]

   >If the Indonesian were unhappy in the years of the dutch colonisation,
   >surely they, of all people, can understand the feelings of the East
   >Timorese, which after being colonised by the Portuguese for ~500
   >years, now have to face another colonial power for who knows how many
   >years.

   Irrelevant. ET is NOT being considered a colony. It is being
   considered as PART of Indonesia, integral to Indonesia, BEING
   Indonesian. A colony would be given its own independent government,
   which sole purpose is to exploit the colony for the owner's
   needs. Indonesia is not exploiting ET in any way.

That argument makes me remember what the pre-1974 portuguese government said
about the overseas colonies (Guine, Angola, Mocambique, and yes East Timor):

"We are a country of many races, many languages and many cultures. Those 
provinces (The African and Far-Eastern countries) are not colonies, they are
an _integral part_ of national territory..."

The way I see it, there is no difference of attitude between the actual 
indonesian government and the former portuguese dictatorship. Unless you
consider it more beneficial to be colonized by your neighbor rather than
a distant country...

Regards,

--
Joaquim Jorge
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