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From: pbahrs@netftp.austin.ibm.com (Peter C Bahrs (boca))
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: Mach and OSF/1
Keywords: Mach OSF/1 operating systems
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:21:35 GMT
Organization: *IX Open Systems, IBM Boca Raton

In article <1992Nov18.131151.2051@cs.tcd.ie> dherity@cs.tcd.ie (Herity D.) writes:
>dbehr@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za (Danie Behr) writes:
>
>>Can anyone help me with the differences/similarities between OSF/1 and Mach 
>>please.
>
>Me too. OSF/1 is a branch off from Mach. AT this stage, I'm quite bewildered
>by the different MK numbers from two different sources. Can anyone point me
>at the pedigrees of the various versions of ASF/1 and Mach ?
>-- 
OSF/1 is an operating system that is implemented on top of Mach, either 
with an intergrated kernel (procedure calls) or micro kernel (message
passing).  The kernel used is Mach (2.5 is proc, 3.0 is ipc).
In particular the OSF organization created the OSF/1 operating system; a
very robust operating system with unix type interface.  I think
the current OSF/1 os (which comes with their mach enhancements) is 4.0.
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From: shaehnic@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve - Happy Hacker!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: need site name for Mach 3.0 i386 X archive (and XFree86 rgb?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:28:17 GMT
Reply-To: shaehnic@ucsd.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: HyperHack - San Diego, CA.
In-reply-to: pauld@cs.washington.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 18:38:59 GMT

--=}>> On 16 Nov 92 18:38:59 GMT, pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) said:

> Someone a few months ago mentioned a site that had X11R5 binaries
> for Mach 3.0 on i386 platforms available for FTP. Could they or
> someone else repost this information.

> -- paul

The archives on vernam.cs.uwm.edu have a wealth of Mach386 binaries
and stuff.  XFree86 is in i386_mach/X.

Has anyone gotten it to work?  It seems that the 'rgb' color database
is missing from the .lib distribution, and the binary program ("rgb"?)
to generate them is not in the XFree86 binaries either.  The rgb
database from X486 doesn't work for XFree86, as far as I can tell.

If anyone has gotten XFree86 up and going (with colors), please let me
know.  If the rgb.pag and rgb.dir files are indeed missing, could
someone please encode and post them, or put them on vernam?

Thanks!
-Steve

Steve Haehnichen          ---  PGP public key available upon request.  ---
shaehnic@ucsd.edu     (FTP pub/crypt/unix_pgp20.tar.Z from ghost.dsi.unimi.it)
From: pbahrs@netftp.austin.ibm.com (Peter C Bahrs (boca))
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: Mach Kernel in OS/2
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:51:34 GMT
Organization: *IX Open Systems, IBM Boca Raton

In article <1992Nov6.051748.14783@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>At the recent Unix Expo in New York, IBM demonstrated OS/2 with a Mach kernel.
>It will run several OSs including OS/2, DOS, Windows, and Unix. It was shown
>running on a RISC machine (I believe RS/6000). Can anyone provide me with
>technicla info to why IBM might have choosen to go with Mach and what are its
>features (advantages and disadvantages). Thanks....
Yes and No.
At Unix Expo, we had technology demonstrations of DOS and AIX (OSF/1) running
separately on Mach.  No OS/2.  DOS was running a flight simulator and
AIX was running X11R5 and Motif 1.2 in monochrome vga mode.  Both were
running on IBM Intel based machines.
We will publish our decisions to use Mach at some point in time.  We looked
at work done with mach, amoeba, chorus, qnx, osf and OO r&d and selected
mach.
This years USENIX workshop in Seattle was about Microkernels et.al.  and 
contains good info. on u-kernels.
>
>Mark K.
>E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
>Toronto, Canada
>
From: ughtas@pencom.com (Thomas A Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Licenses/Availability of Unix server with Mach 3.0 ??
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: ughtas@pencom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pencom Software


I know this has gone round the horn and back many times, but I must have been  
sleeping when the answer tied up to the dock...

What is the current (11/92) state of Unix Emulations/Server code and licensing  
for mach 3.x?  Can I get copies of BSD source and build them, or do I have to  
have an AT&T Source License?

Many Thanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: BNR2SS Status
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
	<BxvEo5.7t7@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
	<1992Nov18.153027.583@rwwa.COM>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:21:55 GMT


 Rumor? Care to spread it this way? I remember when I first saw the
 posting announcing the availability of BNR2SS and at the time I was
 short on disk space so I thought I'd wait because it wasn't going to
 suddenly disappear. Shit! Damn! Grrrr!
--

 Brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
From: pbahrs@netftp.austin.ibm.com (Peter C Bahrs (boca))
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Re: Mach Kernel in OS/2
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:16:36 GMT
Organization: *IX Open Systems, IBM Boca Raton

In article <9211163825@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Mark Kovarski (kovarski@zooid.guild.org) wrote:
>: 
>: Peter,
>: you are certainly correct about this. However, if memory serves me correct,
>: they showed it at the Unix Expo as well. In one statement that I have read,
>: IBM will be showing it at COMDEX but beta testing will start in late November.
>: Can some IBM official explain why IBM is waiting until November, and possibly,
>: what might we expect to see. Thanks
>
>I heard it was a mach platform they were using under OS/2 for their
>RS6000 line of RISC machines.  I don't believe it's for the intel line
>of computers (I mean, computers that use Intel cpu's).
>
>-Louis
We did (and are doing) the r&d that we showed at Unix Expo and COMDEX.  At
Unix Expo, the mach technologies were DOS and AIX on intel platforms (PS/2's)
only.  We showed similar technology (with more features) at COMDEX this
week...I did not go so I don't know everything that was shown.
more to follow...
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> Louis J. Giliberto, Jr.   ! magus@drktowr.chi.il.us
>   -sysadmin drktowr       ! lgilibe@orion.it.luc.edu
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:13:28 MST
From: kelly@baloo.ee.byu.edu (J. Kelly Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: Mach 3.0 kernel entry points


	A quick question:

	Do all kernel entry points exist in the file locore.s or do
other entry points exist in other files?  If other files are involved
which files are they?

Kelly

kelly@ee.byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: running Windows over Mach
From: Marco Simionato <simion@iveuncc.unive.it>
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:16:20 +0100
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Venezia (Italy)
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9X-XXMessage-ID: <A736A66977010134@quadra.cicsd.unive.it>X-XXDate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:16:57 GMTLines: 4

I would appreciate information from anybody having experience
with Mach on a Macintosh and running Windows 3.1 on top of it.

Please reply DIRECTLY.
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Subject: MacMach kernel
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:56:05 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: redondo.sw.stratus.com

I know that a license is supposed to be required to get MacMach, since it
includes BSD sources, but is there any reason the Mach 3.0 part isn't just
another of the build options (ala i386, mips, luna, etc...)?

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Dan S.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:49:57 -0500 
From: William Bardwell <wbardwel+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BNR2SS Status
	<BxvEo5.7t7@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
	<1992Nov18.153027.583@rwwa.COM>
	<BRIAN.92Nov19082155@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>

You can find a copy of bsdss at the following places:
soda.berkeley.edu:~pub/mach/bsdss.tar.Z
homeboy.wpi.edu:~ftp/pub/mach/bsdss.tar.Z
ftp.funet.fi:~pub/mach/soda.berkely.edu/bsdss.tar.Z
b.gp.cs.cmu.edu:/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr16/wb24/public/mach/bsdss.tar.Z
(that is my account, not a publicly advocated/sponsered location)
(and you need to do the cd all at once)

William Bardwell
wbardwel+@[cs.]cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.object
Newsgroups: comp.object
Subject: Re: OOPs NON-prog. practicallity
From: j_ohearn@dsg4.dse.beckman.com ()
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:15:29 GMT
Distribution: world

In <1992Nov16.234354.11981@bsu-ucs> 00wkheizer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>I am currently involved in a study of OOPs for a class project.  My question
>is what can non-programmers expect to gain from this new technology and in what
>areas do you see as benefiting other than actual programming?

What a wonderful question!  There is no doubt that non-programmers have a great
deal to gain from OO technology.  OO analysis identifies real-world entities
and transforms them into classes; this establishes a common language which
creates a positive dialogue between the software engineer and the domain expert
(the non-programmer).  No longer does the software engineer have to confuse the
domain expert by expressing himself/herself in terms of records, arrays, and
far pointers; the discussions born of the analysis are expressed in terms clearly
understood by the domain expert.  The interviews conducted by the engineer with
the domain expert allows the engineer to discover class responsibilities and
class relationships.  The interview process helps create a team atmosphere and
makes the domain expert part of the solution!  Such benefits are priceless!
Today's software systems are incredibly complicated and any technique which
serves to open the lines of communication between software development and the 
customer (both internal and external) is an asset.

I have had the good fortune to see the transformation of the team environment
where I work.  I have seen multi-disciplinary teams work better and faster
because of OO techniques!

Thank you for listening.

Jim O'Hearn
Software Engineer
Beckman Instruments, Inc., Diagnositics Systems Group
From: nic@uk.co.gec-mrc (Nick Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.object
Subject: Re: In search of a Killer Demo! (SE)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:45:30 GMT
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Joseph R. Grace (JGrace@TetraSoft.com) wrote:

[Discussion of how to sell OO to managers etc.]

>                                I chose a task which amounted to a  
> straightforward enhancement of existing code --- which happened to be very  
> apropos since I had just had to make the change!  I showed how making the  
> change was error prone and time-consuming (2 (lucky) - 8+ (unlucky) hours) in C  
> and relatively safe and fast (15-30 minutes) in C++.


Is this really true?

I assume the existing code was in C as you chose this language to do
your comparison with.  You say it would take between 4x and 24x more
time to enhance the code using C than it would take to enhance the
code using C++.

Did you measure this, or are you just guessing?



> Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (NeXTMail preferred.)
> TetraSoft International   Business and Personal Productivity Tools for NeXTSTEP


Nick.
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Newsgroups: comp.object
From: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Subject: Re: Is Borland the leader in technology?
Originator: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: OSU-LAIR
	<henley.921120134945@wilbur.eng.auburn.edu>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:21:17 GMT

In article <henley.921120134945@wilbur.eng.auburn.edu> henley@eng.auburn.edu (James Paul Henley) writes:

   So far, every attempt to implement object oriented Chemical Engineering
   applications in Smalltalk and Lisp have fizzled.  

Revise that to every one of *your* attempts have fizzled. The AI in
ChemE group here's been using Lisp for a number of years, on a wide
variety of machines and implementations, using a variety of OOP
languages in Lisp. I know a bunch of other sites using it too. 

...arun
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Newsgroups: comp.object
From: mas@fulcrum.co.uk (Mark Stubley)
Subject: Trader - An object broker ?
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:30:33 GMT


I have been asked to find out about a product called 'Trader' that we
belive is an object service broker and may be provided by ANSA.

If anyone has any more information on this, or a contact address,
please email me.

Thanks in advance.

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.object
From: dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams)
Subject: Re: (No NeXT is)Is Borland the leader in technology?
Organization: Atherton Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:29:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.124222.12003@bsu-ucs> 00skolis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> Borland claims to be the leader in Object Oriented Programming. Why do
> you feel they can hold this title in concern to the latest in technology?
> I am looking to see what advantages they offer as opposed to other
> companies.
No. This is mere marketing hype from Borland in their war with MicroSoft.

I'd say NeXT is the leader, with their NeXTSTEP 3.0 environment and the  
applications from 3rd parties that run on NeXTSTEP today, in addition to the  
objectware that is available to fold into programs built on the NeXTSTEP  
environment.

Given the availability of NeXTSTEP on the 486 platform in 93, the growth for  
NeXT should be explosive. NeXT has more OOPS based software than Borland.

Course it all boils down to what does Borland mean by "the leader"?
--
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	          dlw@netcom.com   -- NeXTMail welcome 
					
Newsgroups: comp.object
From: akk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Arvind Kukreja 202-219-7396)
Subject: Re: Unix OO CASE Tools
Keywords: object-oriented,CASE,OOP,Rumbaugh
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:45:28 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.object
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Object-Oriented Assembly [?!]
Summary: Sure, why the hell not?!?
Keywords: Esp GEOS GeoWorks TASM Borland object-oriented assembly
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:32:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.081321.23912@selway.umt.edu> ogd@selway.umt.edu (ozymandias G desiderata) writes:
>Since it was sort of brought up in the previous post, I thought I'd
>bring this in:
>
>	When I was browsing through Powell's Technical Bookstore (in
>Portland, OR - total hacker heaven, in case you care), I came across a
>peculiar volume entitled "Object-Oriented Assembly". It was about
>exactly it said it was about: retrofitting macro-based assembly code
>so that it derived some of the benefits of OOD. I thought it was a
>total hoot, but the frightening part is that it made a demented sort
>of sense. Anybody else out there seen this and care to comment? (of
>course, I'm a fan of Yerk, which is object-oriented Forth, so I guess
>the concept isn't too hard for me to grasp.)

Yes, this book is about adding *some* of the features that are considered
by many to be a large part of 'object oriented' programming.  [Note that
I've only skimmed the book in a book store so...]  The book uses the macro
facilities of PC-based assemblers to create the notion of classes and the
like.  Nothing wrong with that. :-)

Note that starting with v3.0, I believe, Borland's TASM assembler for the
PC has had many extensions for creating objects, 'message'-like dispatching
of method invocation, etc.  And hey, it's really fast to boot.  :-)

IMO*, by far the most complete application of the object oriented paradigm to
assembly language is with Object Assembly(tm) as implemented in the Esp
assembler for the GEOS system by GeoWorks.  The GEOS system is a graphical,
preemptive, multi-threaded, multi-tasking, object oriented operating system
that runs on Intel 80x86 platforms ranging from pen-based palmtops through
the original PC XT with 512Kb and CGA graphics up to the latest screamers.
It's truly and excellent system. :-)

So, anyways, just because a language is pretty low level doesn't preclude
'object orientation'.

Hope this helps,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	For more information about GeoWorks/GEOS/Esp/etc. you might want to
	join comp.os.msdos.pcgeos.

*	I must be biased since I'm an employee of GeoWorks.  I have no
	relationship with Borland other than as a (reasonably) happy
	customer.  My comments here (and elsewhere on the net) are solely
	the product of my own psyche and are no way binding on anyone.
	GeoWorks speaks for itself.

Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++
From: dal3@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (dale.e.parson)
Subject: OOPSLA '93 info request
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: OOPSLA
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:26:32 GMT

I missed OOPSLA this year, but I'd like to do a submission for
'93. Where's it at & when do they request submissions? I recall
in '91 that the calls were right after the conference. I haven't seen
anything in CACM, haven't read JOOP lately. Publication clearance
requirements make early preparation necessary. Please email me.
Thanks.

Dale Parson, Bell Labs, dale@mhcnet.att.com

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Newsgroups: comp.object
From: rontelta@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Ronteltap (I87))
Subject: Re: Apple's Dylan language
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:29:45 GMT

krk@oit.itd.umich.edu (Kenneth Knight) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.235240.19671@panix.com> fhd@panix.com (Frank Deutschmann) writes:

>One thing you might find interesting and helpful (I've only just subscribed
>myself) is the OODL mailing list at cambridge.apple.com. Send a subscribe
>message to oodl-sig-request@cambridge.apple.com. They Dylan FAQ had this
>to say about the mailing list:

Well, I'm just lazy. I've read something about Dylan in Dr Dobbs (October?),
but I didn't find out not much more than that Dylan is suppost to be some
kind of OO LISP.

I've read something about the OO limitions of CLOS (true encapsulation is
not possible, slowness), so is there any body out there(tm) that can say
why I would want to use Dylan in stead of say, Smalltalk.

Dylan is also reported to be highly compilable. Any benchmark figures
available?

Thanks,
Richard
Newsgroups: comp.object
From: bobatk@microsoft.com (Bob Atkinson)
Subject: Re: OO, OLE, DDE and etc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:03:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

James Paul Henley writes:
>Is anyone out there working on OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) for 
>Microsoft Windows?
 
Well, er, yes. What's the question?...

	Bob Atkinson & Tony Williams
	OLE 2 Architects
Newsgroups: comp.object
From: henley@eng.auburn.edu (James Paul Henley)
Subject: Re: Is Borland the leader in technology?
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.124222.12003@bsu-ucs> 00skolis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Borland claims to be the leader in Object Oriented Programming. Why do
>you feel they can hold this title in concern to the latest in technology?
>I am looking to see what advantages they offer as opposed to other
>companies.


I would say the Borland is the leader in making Object Oriented Programming
avialable to the masses.  Turbo Pascal, for example, gives a smooth transition
from traditional programming to object oriented programming, and I think has
the easiest learning curve.  I started learning OOPs by taking some programs
in Turbo Pascal, and converting things one by one to the OOP way of doing 
things.  By the time I finished, I realized that it might have been better to
start over from scratch, but I probably never would have attempted that.

The similarity between objects and records in Turbo Pascal gives someone with
a Pascal background a jump start in declaring static objects.  Going to 
dynamic objects takes a while to get used to, but even then the transition
to dynamic objects and virtual methods is fairly smooth.  It just takes an
attitude adjustment.

The trick, of course, is to make the implementation of objects independent of
the design of objects, even to the point of Language independence, and here
again Borland is going strong with two major Object Oriented Languages for
Windows.  Borland Pascal 7 will allow DLL's to be called from DOS programs,
so they will achieve a degree of operating system independence. 

James P. Henley Jr.
Department of Chemical Engineering
Auburn University
From: 00wkheizer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.object
Subject: OOPs NON-prog. practicallity
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:43:54 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I am currently involved in a study of OOPs for a class project.  My question
is what can non-programmers expect to gain from this new technology and in what
areas do you see as benefiting other than actual programming?
Newsgroups: comp.object