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From: eederavi@cybaswan.UUCP (Farzin Deravi)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Convoy Aid
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:04:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wales at Swansea


                           Exodus from Bosnia

Countless numbers of refugees including helpless women and
children have been turned out of their homes to face a harsh
winter without shelter. They desparately need tents, warm
winter clothing, non-perishable foods and medical supplies.
In order to take these across Europe, funds are needed to
purchase supplies, and help with getting hold of transport.

                            Convoy to Bosnia
                                    
BACO are raising money and collecting supplies for a trip
from Oxford to Bosnia by road, in mid-October.  We have
very little time before winter sets in,  so we hope to set off on
Friday 17thOctober, take two days to get there, unload and
return.  

                            How can I help ?

* By raising money: every little bit will help buy supplies.
* By collecting tinned foods and winter clothing, tents, boots, 
    and blankets.
* By helping to obtain the loan of a van or lorry for the seven 
   days or so it will take to go and come back.

                           How to get in touch
                 Bosnia Aid Committee of Oxford (BACO),
                            Registered Office
                      Suite 2, 108-110 London Road,
                       Headington, Oxford OX3 9AW.
                     Charity registration pending, 
                        Reference Number 1732641.
                      Tel. (0865) 741345 / 244962.
From: bc151@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: List for the Discussion of the Presidential Campaign
Date: 12 Sep 1992 07:01:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



There is now on Bitnet a list for the discussion of the '92
presidential campaign. Discussion is unmoderated and focusses
primarily on important, current campaign issues, though, like the
campaign itself, some discussion occasionally degrades to
spurious non-issues. Threads sometimes lead into critical
analyses of political history, the media, and campaign
strategies. Many members of this list post exerpts from books,
magazines, journals, newspapers, television reportage, and
academic studies as well as the full text of position papers and
speeches given by the candidates. A meaningful number of list
members understand the inherent union of theory and praxis and,
given the nature of the discussions, the flame level is very
tolerably and surprisingly low. If all you've heard and read thus
far hasn't parted the sea of sound bites, if you're looking for
information and analysis of current issues or have something to
give or express yourself, this may be a viable group to join.

To subscribe, send to: LISTSERV@MARIST (from a Bitnet address)
or LISTSERV@MARIST.BITNET (from and Internet address) the
message: SUB CLINTON <your first name> <your last name>


	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
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	Audio:		Ken Fisler
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Cuba nuke program
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:22:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>After spending over $1 billion, Cuba has halted work on a soviet-designed  
>nuclear power plant at Cienfuegos due to a lack of hard currency to  
>complete the project...
>
>There are also rumors of a split between reformers and hard-liners in the  
>ruling party.  There have been recent dismissals of high-level officials,  
>including Castro's son, who managed the Cuban nuclear program.

Impossible.  You obviously haven't been reading Harel's posts.  Castro
is the Messiah.  He would never even conceive of doing anything as
ghastly as nuclear power.  It's all a myth concocted by Exxon and the
Rockefellers.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: maxwell@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Organization: What does *this* button do!?
Followup-To: alt.activism
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:54:26 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I spoke with some people from Berkeley this weekend, all of whom knew, or had
met Rosebud.

The consensus is that Rosebud was on a death spiral.
There was also a consensus that she was very smart and could play the police
like a violin.  The day-of/day-before her death she left words to the effect of
"will be killed by Berkely police" on a piece of paper. While inside the
chancellor's house, she called one of her friends and said that  "they're going
to kill me".

The consensus of the people I met is that Rosebud suckered the police into
making her into a martyr. They were absolutely convinced that she knew what she
was doing, and had planned it.  

Before you reach for the flame key, I should mention that these people spoke of
Rosebud in terms of respect, not derision.  

regards.max
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: NOTES FROM THE "NEW" SOUTH AFRICA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:28:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep15.162001.3692@oracle.us.oracle.com>

>In article <1296500350@igc.apc.org> nlns@igc.apc.org (New Liberation News
>Service) writes:
>
>>NOTES FROM THE "NEW" SOUTH AFRICA
>>Tim Hinton, The Thistle
>
>>The
>>black, green and gold of the ANC flag waves boisterously,
>>defiantly in the wind.  [...]  Today is
>>the national day of protest against the massacre at Boipatong
>>township.  The people of South Africa--Azania to some--are again
>>on the march.
>
>All the people or just the Xhosa?  Any Zulus there?

See, it's like this.  When Archie Bunker says "them jungle bunnies all
look/think alike" it's bad, cause Archie Bunker is Politically Incorrect.
But when the Liberation News Service lumps black South Africans together,
that's good because they are PC.

But let's be fair.  They DO sort of resemble one another...like white
Yugoslavians...you wouldn't fault someone for reporting how white
Yugoslavians (like the Croats and Slovenes) unanimously support
Milosevic's collectivist policies, would you?  Well, pretending that
the Zulus support Mandela's collectivist policies (waving hammer and
sickle flags around at ANC rallies, I am told, was typical even in the
last year of the Soviet Union's existence) is no more inaccurate.

:->


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: POINTER: Drs w/o Borders Press Re.
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:05:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500348:000:1156
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep 11 19:05:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: POINTER: Drs w/o Borders Press Re.

/* Written  7:04 pm  Sep 11, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:reg.africa */
/* ---------- "POINTER: Drs w/o Borders Press Re." ---------- */
A new press release from Doctors Without Borders is posted in the soc.cult.
afric conference.

There is also a post entitled "Food delayed, mass deaths" which gives
in some detail the account in the New York Times of how UN delays and
puzzling US decisions continue while Somalians perish.

Phone and fax numbers for the House Select Committee on Hunger and
the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on African Affairs are also
posted.

I have also posted an appeal for people to please act again.  We got results
before. But when public attention slips away, or people are persuaded the
problem is solved, the governments and the UN sink back into inaction.
I earnestly hope people will continue to press for massive aid.

Fundraising actions are good, and draw attention to the problem, but
time has almost run out.  Goverments have to act quickly, and they appear
to do so only under great pressure from the public.
Please help.

Thank you.
Dorothy
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16125 talk.politics.misc:44570
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: British/Canadian health care (Was: <None>)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:49:07 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>...
>> All your glorious MRI scanners and single rooms with TV, sauna & jacuzzi
>> and personal casino don't count for anything alongside the worst peri-natal
>
>	Envious?  Get a clue, the average hospital has about half a dozen
>"luxury" rooms.  Everything else is a double.  Sure you can pay *if you want*
>for single occupancy.  But that's the beauty of America.  Freedom of choice. 
>We don't expect descendents of loyalists to understand, though.  Perhaps 
>the Queen mum could give up some of her "greedy, screw you" wealth and 
>provide real "free" health care for Britains/Canadians/etc, eh?

I think that more reading of quality newsmagazines like The Economist
and less time on USENET is in order.  While Britain does have true
socialized medicine with their National Health Service, there is also
private medicine by direct payment or by prepaid subscription to the
buyer (I think this would fall under Herman Rubin's definition of what
health insurance would be, from his previous notes; Herman?).  I have
already indicated elsewhere that in Canada, only the insurance is
public (but I guess that's already too much for you) and additional
non-medical private insurance is available from Blue Cross/Croix Bleu
or similiar private companies like John Inglis Ltd.  Just a few facts,
you can drive over to Ontario this weekend to check it out ... (-;

>	But don't worry.  The UK/Canada will soon experience the 
>wonders of the incredible growing government as soon as they turn 
>to socialism to cure their "ills".

So the Conservative Party leaders John Major and Brian Mulroney are
Reds ... ya know, this is one of the days when I miss the Cold War.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16040 alt.individualism:5365 alt.pagan:8932
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who's "free-er"? Intrnat'l response wanted!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:33:41 GMT
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.

Someone said:
>I see no excuse for giving points for things on paper, if they don't
>get translated into effect in people's lives.

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) responded:
> I said that I am looking for *both* theory *and* practice.  ...

When I first looked at it, I assumed it meant something like:

Lots of positive points for having good theory *and* good practice
right now.

Fewer positive points for having good practice right now without good
theory.

No positive points for NOT having good theory right now.

Negative points for having bad practice right now.


So y'see, both of you are "right".  :-)

Blessings!

		-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Who's "free-er"? Intrnat'l response wanted!
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:56:50 GMT

>>	Really?
>>                [........]
>> 
>>		AMENDMENT II:
>>	A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
>>State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>infringed.
>
>>		REALITY II:
>>	This right exists.
>
>The simple statement "This right exists" ignores the extreme anti-gun
>sentiment observed in modern legislatures.  California and New Jersey have
>blatantly violated this amendment; George Bush has used (abused) his    
>authority to restrict importation of firearms; the BATF routinely violates
>the search and seizure clause (and after they ransack a home, they leave the
>front door standing open); it is very difficult to own an automatic rifle,
>even though they must be registered and *not even one* registered machine
>gun has ever been used to commit a violent crime.  The WoG has been just
>as detrimental to freedom as the WoD.  It's alarming that the left wing
>has seized the opportunity to gang up with "conservatives" to get tough
>on drugs by getting tough on guns.  
>
>>	Absolute guarantees and protection of rights, you said?
>
>>	Where?
>
>Except for a slight oversight, yours was a very good post.  This "war" is
>a war against freedom, a war against citizens.  I am actually worried about
>what's going on in the US.  The left-wing and the right-wing have joined
>forces in an attack on the individual.

There's a lively discussion on this in alt.politics.usa.constitution
and alt.society.civil-liberty to which I reposted the BoR "status
report" article from here.

>I, too, wait for some replies to
>the question of the best country in which to live free.  I am pessimistic
>that there is anyplace better than the "good ol' USA."

From a freedom viewpoint, there probably on many fronts is - it's hard
to say if as a whole, though (when you include economy and such).  USA
has a good Constitution, though - a shame that there is no society
using it anywhere.

Does anyone think there would be interest for a group like alt.emigration?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Who's "free-er"?  Intrnat'l response wanted!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 05:58:53 GMT

There has been a discussion in alt.pagan about places to emigrate to if
the USA gets too opressive, which has led to some arguments about how "free"
various countries are.  I thought it would be interesting to gather some
opinions in a wider range of groups.  I would like to hear non-U.S. residents
(or those who have lived elsewhere for any significant time) to tell how
various nations rate relative to the U.S., given the following criteria of
"freedom".

0) Please, let's only compare nations in which the government is elected.
While there may be such a thing as a benevolant dictator or a just King, let's
debate that elsewhere.

1) Protection of free thought, speech, publishing (intended to encompass
printing, broadcasting, and every possible form of analog or digital
information transfer), and assembly.  Ideally, these freedoms should be
both enshrined in law AND protected in practice.  For example:  The USA
gets points for the bill of rights, but loses points for failing to uphold
it against pornography legislation, BBS raids, u.s.w.

2) The above should apply not just to the usual "dirty books", but even moreso
to unpopular ideaologies.  For example:  The UK gets points for letting
Monty Python say words on TV that they couldn't in the U.S., but loses
more points for forbidding the broadcast of anything sympathetic to the
IRA.

3) Judicial fairness, including things like presumptive innocence, right to
representation, constraints on search and seizure, and I throw the right
to petition the government for redress of grievances in this category primarily
because I forgot to mention in earlier.  Again, I would like to hear not only
about governmental restraint in practice, but also some official guarentee
in theory.

4) A uniform application of the above without regard to race, religion,
gender, etc.  (Paradoxically, this means a nation that drafts both men and
women into military service is more "free" than one that drafts men only,
by the criteria I've tried to establish.  Both, of course, are less free
than a nation that drafts no one.)

This is just the beginning, of course, but I think these criteria might
make for some informative comparisons.  Note that these criterion DO NOT
count as freedoms things like medical care, housing, welfare, etc.  These
would be relevant to discussing which nations take the best care of people;
instead, I want to discuss those nations which leave people alone.
--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Rich Richer, Poor Poorer
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.223521.24547@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:
>The statement: "There are more poor people today than there were".
>seems to have been accepted but countered with: "Many of these
>poor people are now better off due to social mobility".

Yes. The vast majority of the bottom fifth (83%) moved up to the next
fifth.

>If these two statements are accepted then the obvious conlcusion is
>that even more people who were either wealthy or at least middle class
>are poor.  

Or the population is increasing.


  Allen


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From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:13:51 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep8.203355.2356@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael
Friedman) writes:
>
>>>> Bush makes invalid claim about Clinton raising taxes 128 times...
>>>> Clinton responds that by same criteria, Bush did it 327 times...
>>>> Third party says real score is Clinton 59, Bush 78...
>
>>> Excuse me, but don't you think 327 vs. 78 is significant?  I
>>> just love the way the Clinton weenies bend over backwards to
>>> pretend that their idol always tells the truth.
>
>>=o= Read it again.  The 327 figure is *by* *Bush's* *criteria*.
>
>Well, that's where Slick Willie's lying.  By Bush's criteria the
>number is 78 for Reagan and Bush combined.

according to everyone else who has wasted their time battling you on this
lunatic topic, and according to every newspaper and newsmagazine article i have
read, and according to michael kingsley (that third party), the
128:327::59:78 figures are the correct ones for clinton::bush.  please provide
a reference for your assertions (include publication name and date of print).
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15984 alt.activism.d:3043
From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d
Subject: Live Online Conference re: US Elections
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:42:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I'm posting this message for the Conference Hosts;

The IDS World Network will be holding a "live", CB-Simulator chat conference
on the 1992 election and the candidates.  Topics currently being considered
include The Economy, Healthcare, Education, Family Values, Abortion, and
"World Leadership Role".

The first discussion will take place on September 4th from 7PM EST until
9:30PM EST.

We invite everyone to participate.  CB Chat discussions on the IDS World
Network are completely free.

To reach the IDS World Network, TELNET to ids.net [155.212.1.2].  If you have
an account already, you're all set, although you can apply for one by signing
on with GUEST as a username.

That's September 4th, 7PM EST on the IDS World Network CB Simulator.
telnet ids.net [155.212.1.2]
Xref: sparky alt.activism:16054 soc.college:3799 talk.politics.misc:44212
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:48:04 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <9208312325.AA23554@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>Originally posted to misc.activism.progressive 
>Topic 662       The Big Lie (PC) 
>odin    misc.activism.progressive       12:47 pm  Aug 30, 1992 
>(at world.std.com)      (From News system) 

>POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: What it really means. 

>Grabbing the mantle of free speech to  
>champion the right of punks to hurl words like "nigger" is to  
>profane the purpose and spirit of free speech.  

Just wanted to focus in on this little bit.

If free speech doesn't cover words like "nigger" then where, exactly,
are the limits?  Perhaps anything that Harel thinks is fascist, for
example the Republican party platform?
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:33:58 GMT

 
        Hola Folks,
 
        Me llamo Gilberto y soy el co-chair de La Causa, el grupo Latino de
Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
possibilities of electronic communication.  
 
        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
or if you have comments for thelist administrator,  all you have to do is send
a note to the following address:
 
        LATINO-L-REQUEST@AMHERST.EDU 
and say that you want to join.
 
        While you are subscribed, if you want to send a message to the entire 
membership of the list (like a piece of interesting news, a question you might 
have, an announcement that might benefit Latino students etc.) then write to:
 
        LATINO-L@AMHERST.EDU
 
        In case you are not interested, please forward this file to someone who
you think might want to participate; in that way, you can at least help the list
grow and develop.
 
Hasta Pronto
        -Gilberto