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From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (the_tramp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Muslims will start an Armed Rebellion
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:28:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

If the only reason behind staring an armed rebellion is the
'rape and attrocity' against women, and the reported rapes and
attrocities are not made up stories, then i would support the
rebellion. 

If the reported 'rape and attrocites' are real, it has to be
criticized and the crimilas should be punished.

At the same time a few things to remember:
1. I would think twice before acting up about the
validity of the reports. specially when pakistan is known to have a
long standing anti india propaganda war.

2.I guess this is a general vice of humanity: what did the west
pakistani army do to Bangladesh in 1971?(They killed and raped muslim
and hindus alike and those were reported NOT only by some propaganda machine)

3. An aside may not be related: why the army had to be there in
Kashimr? Remember, the rebels started a war against establishment
(without getting into the debate whether it is a FREEDOM MOVEMENT or a
stray separatist movement instigated by some fantics )
(Gov. of India), and if u expect that they will win it over a red
carpet, you are mistaken. It has never been and it will never be.
From: kaji@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tejas Kaji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Chemical Industry-India
Date: 10 Oct 1992 20:15:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: kaji@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


If an American chemical company wants to set up a subsidiary in
India, what hurdles does it face?

What are new policies (indian) that govern the Indian chemical Industry?
i.e., entry and exit of foreign firms, etc.

Are there any benefits in Foreign Direct Investment in the Indian Chemical
Market?

I would appreciate if anyone can let me know the best information source(s)
that I could consult to answer these questions.

I have tried ABI CD-ROM. Not much information.

Thanks 

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From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian women and men
Date: 15 Oct 1992 16:14:05 GMT

There have been a number of posts on SCI dealing with 
a) Indian women prefer tall, dark, and handsome men,
b) that Indian women like to be eve-teased, esp. the reference to movies 
 - the heroine invites or rather enjoys being teased by the hero, 
c) Indian women prefer American guys,
d) Why don't Indian women date Indian guys, sleep with them, etc.........
e) If it is *not* a love marriage then the Bride must bring a huge dowry + be slim. fair, beautiful, intelligent, etc ........... and
f) If it is a love marriage, then the guy *would make a sacrifice* and not ask for dowry,

It is pretty scary to note that this is the view held by a MAJORITY of Indian guys.   
It should be interesting to know `how you guys came up with such a view?'


Arathi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kavuri@lips.ecn.purdue.edu (Surya N Kavuri )
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:28:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.205505.14869@menudo.uh.edu>, nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes) writes:
> 
> Now my Rs. 0.02 worth on this subject:
> 
> 	All this about it not being possible to be "just friends" with a
> member of the opposite sex is utter crap! If you guys believe it, then it is
> extremely unlikely that you have either girlfriends or girls who are
> just friends.
> 
> Chetan Nagappa

    Like you said, it is worth only Rs 0.02.



Surya Kavuri
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:22:48 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


In article <SHUBU.92Oct10095225@green.cs.wisc.edu> shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee) writes:
>
>N.V. - you are making a mistake.  Sometimes, you have to set the record
>straight.   Guys like Abhinav and Rakesh Patel aren't just ignorant of the
                       ^^^^^^^

When did I try to degrade IIT? If you go back and read my first post regarding IIT, I said something like this: I think IIT is a great Institution, something India should be proud of and should be supported. Don't talk nonsense.
	All I ever said that Universities here have superior facilities, which to me seemed a good enough reason to say the University is better. I used to feel that way, but now I am planning my eventual return to India to continue my education there. Arizona only has one Nobel Prize winner in the faculty, a fact I am very embarrased about - which IIT has the most Nobel Prize winners in the faculty?
>IITs, but also they are actively trying to degrade it.  IMHO, no sane person 
>will take this face down.  (What would you have done if someone stepped on 
>your mother's picture deliberately?)  It's a matter of pride, a matter of 
>personal satisfaction and achievement.  
>
>Luck!
>-Shubu
>
>P.S.: Confucius also says - "Look before you leap."
>


	Don't take things too seriously, nobody is trying to degrade IIT. It is a testament to IIT's fame that people are talking about it so much on the net. If you really feel IIT is even better than most American Universities perhaps you should return to India to continue your graduate studies (like I am doing).
	You should become a person to the cause of returning to IIT from USA for graduate education. 


	What are all of you IITians doing here in USA if IIT is superior to American Institutions? One person said that IIT's undergraduate program is better but the graduate program here is better. Of course he did his UG at IIT and is now in USA.
	The fact is that in a field like computer engineering, american universities excel. No-one can deny it. I have not ever visited an IIT campus, so I will refrain from comparing IIT to US institutions. If all of you say IIT is better than USA, when you have been both in IIT and US institutions, how can I possibly refute it?
	You have won Shubu.

A. Lal.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 17:07:53 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U15297@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,
Subject:    WHITHER PATRIOTISM

In article <1992Oct9.143210.13094@meaddata.com>, udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia
D'Cruz) says:
>I can picture this:-
>You meet a girl you love, you are fascinated by her, you are about to kiss
>her,
>Ah! suddenly you have to pop the question "Do you love your native land ?"
>
>Maybe you can complete this one...........

While love may know no boundaries, the emotion is not as wanton
as one might imagine. The 'true' love you speak of would be mature
too, I'd expect.

We fall in love, are fascinated by 'him/her' for his/her ideas and
thinking, hopefully! A mind that is open and flexible to change.
And so... I'd want to be friends with someone who thinks very
differently from me but *fall in love* with someone who shares
some of my major concerns. I can hear a distant 'but that's like
*choosing* to fall in love'...the point here is what turns you
on - the thinking and qualities, or something else?

Shyamala

PS. BTW, I found it strange that you referred to Uma as 'Uma' in
your posts.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:06:28 EDT
 <SHUBU.92Oct10095225@green.cs.wisc.edu> <23661@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <23661@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, lal@cs.arizona.edu 

          stuff deleted..
> Arizona only has one Nobel Prize winner in the faculty, a fact I am very
> embarrased about - which IIT has the most Nobel Prize winners in the faculty?
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	 stuff deleted...

> 	The fact is that in a field like computer engineering, american
> universities excel. No-one can deny.   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> A. Lal.

Is there a Nobel Prize in computer engineering?;  In any engineering?
and BTW, how many Nobel laureates teach undergrads?

did I hear something about looking before leaping blah blah?

take care!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Eve teasing -  India (in Europe too...)
Keywords: India, US, Women, Eve-teasing, Harassment.
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:54:18 GMT

(Sanjay Kumar) writes:

>I spent last one year in Paris and eve-teasing is common there.. My
>wife faced several instances of this and so did girl friends/wives
>of my friends. I saw this happen several times. This took place mostly
>as comments, whistling, wow ... kind of comments. 

Hardly surprising.  You may recall what no less a personage than
the PM herself, (Edith Cresson) said about British men.  Many of
your cherished attributes are called into question if you don't
exhibit that kind of behaviour.  Ofcourse everybody knows the
Old World got left far behind in the evolutionary race.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33601 soc.culture.tamil:2737
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Distortion in Meenan Vishnu Opposed
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:59:53 GMT
	<43932@ogicse.ogi.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Disliking Brahminism doesn't tranlslate into hatinfg Brahmins. Its pure
and simple. Brahminism has divided Tamils along caste lines. What it has
contributed to the culture, it has been undone by the divisive nature.
Shaivism doesn't need Brahminsm for survival. Some Brahmans, of course
make it so for their good. How long will this caste division go on? We
Tamils didn't have this nonsense in the earlier times. 
In Vedic times, the natives of India who worshipped Shiva either diretly
or indirectly by worhipping lingam were called the 'phallic cult.' If
you have a grain of sense concerning your true Tamil identity, the
fallacy in the existence of Brahminism in Tamil country will come very
clear. Remember, we were the 'phallic cult,' according to the Aryan
worshippers of their fire gods which needed the attention of Brahmins! I
also hate to point out, the existence of priests who are involved in
Shiva, Murugan & other dieties who are sometimes mistaken for Brahmins.
Judging by the appearance, color and features of many Brahmins I have
seen, I'm confinced that their ancestry is not Tamil. Ayal naadu thantha
paricu!
I have also seen Brahmins who have typical Tamil features. Their
numbers, of course are in small numbers. Thanks to the magnificant work
of Brahmanism, many Tamils now feel the Vedas are part of us. As far as
I'm concerned, the Rig Vedic crap of the Aryans can be burned as a whole
and declare openly our existence as a Tamils  who speak Tamil, worship
Shiva and live as Tamils according to our cherished non-Brahmic values
and customs. I didn't want to write this. But, I've finally had it!
Nobody is going to tell me what it really means to be a Tamil. 
Cowards betraying the Thamil Thai for the sake of personal 'fortunes,'
upholding the divisive caste system and looking upto Delhi for guidance
exist in vast numbers among us. Its a curse on Tamils for we have to
defend our Tamil identity among our own people. No wander we have become
a laughing stock for many.  A Dravidian party with a Brahaman as their
chief in power...and enough apologosts to justify it. A terrible toll
for Tamils indeed. We need a Tamil sangam.


thambi
From: rsahu@triton.unm.edu (Raikanta Sahu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Hindi font for Mac/IBM PC
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:02:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.18hpj1#
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	Does anybody know any place from where I can get Hindi fonts for
use in the Mac/IBM PC ?

	Thanks for any response.

	-sahu,r
From: nkumar@HP-UX (Niranjan Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: WANTED : MALLADI PRASAD
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:02:00 GMT

Dear Prasad, 
	Where are you? We are looking for you. Your parents are very anxious
	to hear from you. Please talk to them as soon as possible or you can 
	let them know your whereabouts through me.
	Bye,
Vishnu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.misc,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: List of movies
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:34:41 GMT


In article <1992Oct4.232122.29769@cc.uow.edu.au>
g9221069@cc.uow.edu.au (manik gupta) writes:
>jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>
>>Indian movies (Pakistan too?)
>
>Pakistan????????????

Why not? I think my description article went only to SCI and r.m.i.m
groups (see Newsgroups-headerline).

I will include also song lyrics (and translations) to the list.
I recall that Pakistan movies have songs too.
This kind of list could be very helpful for people who
request lyrics -- it is sort of FAQ-article of rec.music.indian.misc.

Other similar list could be a list of poems, but I won't collect it.


>Do you include the Holliwood movie*Gandhi*?

I would like to put it with the information on music (specially the
end song; I don't recall it has other real songs).


Juhana Kouhia
From: sudha+@CMU.EDU (Sudha Neelakantan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0er9BVC00WB=4INncD
	<susanc.719011281@keckiris>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
> aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:
> 
> >Many women netters have posted that they face no harassment in the US
> >and a lot in India. While harassment in India is known to occur, I think
> >we need the opinion of American women on harassment here. I haven't seen many
> >Amrecan men/women interested in Indian women/men. Most don't bother
> >much about people of a different race and this could be a reason why the
> >Indian women over here are experiencing no unwanted attention on the roads.
> 
> Phew. That's a relief. If it's just that American men don't find us
> attractive, then we don't have to worry about the harassment levels
> ever increasing...that is, until the number of Indian male immigrants
> reach a critical mass... (he said it, not me :-))
[stuff deleted]
> Susan.
> --
> Mail from this account is forwarded to susan@vger.niddk.nih.gov

Well, it may only be personal experience, but certainly for me
atleast, atleast as many if not more american men than indian men find
me attractive[ i'm not sure about how to define this term and am
basing it solely on the no of people who would like to date me atleast
once, and as far as the social backgrounds of these men, since its
school, i would say that they are all at about the same intellectual
levels of accomplishment.]

And i know that this is true of the other indian women i know so i
don't think your theory holds.

Sudha

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    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.)
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Organization: Brown University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:48:02 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>are you a distant relative of one mr. thayanantha who pursuing higher
>studies in norwegian institute of technology?
>suresh
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Very funny!! These pseudo-intellectual discussions on the net
 only use  up bandwidth. I really fail to see their relevance
on the net. But then I guess there are a lot of bored Indians
out there who decide to have their cafe discussions on the net.
                                            S.L.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Navakanta Bhatt at STANFORD electronics.
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:33:53 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hi:
I am looking for Navakanta Bhatt from IIT-B. He is a student in the Ph.D.
program in electronics at Stanford. Anyone who knows him - please pass my
e-mail address to him or send his address to me.

thanx,

santy.

SKUMAR@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
From: mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for AMIT KELKAR
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:19:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Sorry folks for troubling you with a 'Looking for'; but I need to find the
address of Amit Kelkar from IIT-Bombay ( graduated in 91 , Chem. Engg. I
guess). I don't know what univ he is in now. I have got a e-mail for him. So
if you happen to know his address please let me know at

 mk0e@lehigh.edu

Thanks in advance

Maheendra Kasmalkar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: atri@eecs.umich.edu (Atri Indiresan)
Subject: Re: Prof. Indiresan's visit to the US and Europe
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:33:43 GMT

In article <1164@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
> It is not my intention to offend anyone(including
> the originol poster). 

It was extremely crude and offensive, all the same. Since this is the
particular case of my parents, I'll make a few personal observations,
but most of it will apply to any Indian faculty visiting the US.

>     Most of them would like to
>     make use of their visits to go around(along with
>     their families, if they are accompanying) the places.

My parents are in the US on independent, professional visits. They
were able to coordinate their programs enough to travel together for
some of the trip. Neither is "accompanying" the other.

>     The natural choice is contacting the ex-IITians who are spread
>     all over. The oblized ex-students make arrangements
>     for their ex-teachers' visits.

Several points here:

1. The purpose of contacting former students is to meet them. The
posting was FYI, and there was no demand of expectation of any kind.

2. Obliged to make arrangements? I don't think Indians here, IITians
or otherwise, necessarily feel any obligation to anyone.

3. There are more effective ways of making arrangements than a public
posting on the net. If that had been the intention, the subject header
would have read "Looking for accomodation".

>     Is it not a kind of imposing on students?

Imposition implies control. Perhaps you could help me understand what
kind of control or influence has been exerted here?

>     Is it a kind of "Guru Dhakshana"?

This is beneath contempt -- typical of your level of discourse.

> No flames please.

Well, you had reason to ask.

You may have the last word - I have nothing to add on this matter.

Atri Indiresan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat)
Subject: Re: More about India
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.174345.20475@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>In article <1at5s9INN7l2@uwm.edu> mahadeva@point.cs.uwm.edu (Aruna Mahadevan) writes:
>
>>My friends and I have experienced the same harrassment on buses in
>>Delhi, Bombay, Bangalore and Madras, and yes, also in towns.  We've also
>>had to duck into bookstores or shops to avoid being followed home --
>>this in broad daylight, with PLENTY of people walking around!!  
>>We couldn't travel from Bangalore to Hyderabad to take a test without
>>being harrassed on the bus!  I suppose you would blame us for going
>>'unescorted'???
>
>No, I would blame you if you didn't take any actions against this.
>

Easier said than done. Everytime a guy hoots from his hostel, a woman
has to run to a police station for help! In that case, she will spend
half her life in the police station. Please be practical!

>>I wish you wouldn't generalize -- how do you know what it feels like for
>>women to dread going to College on the bus?  I don't know where you went
>>to College, but when we went to College, 90% of the men were like that,
>>and that is a conservative estimate on my part.
>
>I went to college in Madras. 90% is too high and maybe you were affected more.
>
Many girls in my colony used to go catch a bus outseide a colony and
to their misfortune the AC Tech hostel was located diametrically opposite
to the stop. Imagine the torture for the girls!! Now dont say if the college
was XYZ then things would be fine. Some people even went on to suggest
that the girls like that!! 

>>You don't think these things happen in India?  Alot of cases like these
>>don't come out in India because the women are so embarrassed by the
>>harrassment and keep it a secret or all the brainwashing that if she is
>>beaten by the husband, she MUST be doing something wrong to DESERVE
>>it!!!  I've actually heard people ridicule the poor woman who has been
>>harrassed and has been bold enough to come forward, which explains why
>>there are so few cases reported.
>
>Yes such things happen and that's why I say people(both men and women) should
>fight against such things rather than sit idle. 
>
How easily you talk! If a woman who is raped comes and openly talks about
it, I dont need to say anymore. And the situation is not getting better.
Did you know that the average number of dowry deaths in Gujarat is
5/day? Dont say maybe in Gujarat, but Madras is heaven. If it is not
dowry death it is something equally bad. India has to go a long long...
way before women come to any decent status. The question now is not even
equal rights as men, just to be tretaed decently. As if that is asking
for too much.

Dinkar.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jhelling@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman)
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:00:37 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

What do you mean with "just friends"?
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