HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: New 900 Number
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:33:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I got a e-mail from the one of the few respected netters Mr. Prem Kumar to stop
these kinds of postings. Well if Mr. M.Vishnu can post b-bashing artciles on
the net (can you imagine that, he blames brahmins for our performance in
olympics), why not me? So if these kinds of article affects some section of
netters a simple request, pl ignore this (before Mr. Krishna Raj says this)

Since there are some self-appointed area commanders in the net who have ordered
not to follow periyar temple on SCT, I have established a 900 number in the
temple for those who afraid of these commanders.

Call 1-900-B-BASHER  to consult our experts on brahmin-bashing 24 hrs a day.
Some of the most discussed topics are :-

	"Brahmins ate all Thevaram"

	"How brahmins prevented us from getting any medals in Olympics"

With the first call you will get a 'naughty' electronic key-chain which will
spit out random b-bashings.

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Tamil Names -Elango 
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:20:34 GMT

In <1992Aug17.091130.8363@rdg.dec.com> elan@rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.155817.6642@menudo.uh.edu>, Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable) writes:
>|> In article <6844@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K)  
>|> writes:
>|> > 
>|> > 
>|> > One of my friend is interested in giving a short but
>|> > meaningful tamil name to his newy born baby boy.
>|> > 
>|> > Can someone in the SCT netters suggst some meaningful
>|> > tamil names and the meantime it can be pronounced by
>|>   Elango   | - Not meaningful, but tamil
>|>   Paari    |

>Excuse me! What do you mean my name has no meaning?

>elang = young  co (or go) = king

>elan+gco = young king = prince.


>Ok, I don't feel like one :-), but there is a meaning to the name.
>However, it is not easy for westerners to pronounce my name. They struggle
>a bit. Lot of them try to call me "elan" and I've resisted it so far.

>--------------------
>Balendra Elangco			| Internet: elan@rdg.dec.com



Elango is my brother's name too. He was a student at Iowa State University.
Everybody in his department, including the Chairman told his
name correctly without any problem.

Kathiravan.
 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:991 soc.culture.indian:28362 sci.math:10308
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,sci.math
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian mathematics
Date: 16 Aug 1992 17:50:24 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <geWQywq00Vog4C1Usp@andrew.cmu.edu> "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>The following was the result of some conversation on sci.math that
>I had. It mentions a math. book in Malayalam. Presumably, the math.
>tradition mentioned below wasn't isolated. It would be interesting
>to see if it left any traces elsewhere in the south. Gheverghese
>Joseph speculates that Ramanujam is somehow connected to this
>tradition.
The last is doubtful, if you are indeed referring to Srinivasa Ramanujam.
He does not seem to have mentioned the work you refer to later.


>In the library, I stumbled across a book: "The Crest of the Peacock:
>Non-European Roots of Mathematics", by George Gheverghese Joseph, of
>the University of Manchester.  (I.B. Tauris & Co. Ltd, 1991).
>
>The book makes some extraordinary claims: here is one:
>
>Madhava (also known as `Golavid' or Master of Spherics) of Sangamagramma
>(a village near Cochin in Kerala) (c1340-1425) was "probably the greatest
>of the Indian medieval astronomer- mathematicians".

[deleted matrial]

>Even so, "none of the results has as yet percolated into the standard
>Western histories of mathematics".

>Some of the results attributed to Madhava are: (translated to modern
>notation)

[deleted material on infinite series treated by Madhava]

I had intended to reply to this when I first saw this post elsewhere.
Here are some old articles on this topic:
	Rajagopal and Venkatraman, J. Roy. Asiatic Soc Bengal Sci.
	15(1949)

	Gupta, Ganita 27(1976) 19--24

	Rajagopal and Rangachari, Arch Hist. Exact Sci 18(1978) 89--102

Gupta, in a review that appears in the Aug issue of Math Reviews calls the 
topic "well-known''. It doesn't appear in calculus books or books on history of
math because these books are written by, let us face it, incompetents.


-- 
Vidhyanth Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:59:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19770
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug18.125705.17542@ms.uky.edu> aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes:
>I recollect reading an advice the Kanchi Acharya (the 2nd) gave the
>public (read in the Hindu religious column):
>	"Write Sri RamaJayam 1000 times everyday. You will 
>	 get Motcham!"
>-arasu


	I also know this and of course I used to write Sri Ramajayam
	atleast for about 10 minutes in a day when I was in High School.
	The main idea of all these things is some kind of DHYANAM for
	atleast a few minutes in a day so that your body and mind feel
	relieved. If you can concentrate on something for
	about 15 minutes and sit idle that helps your body even
	according to modern day medicine. But COMMON PEOPLE will
	follow something if they are given some "extras" like
	"MOTCHAM" etc. I think that is the reason for all these
	practices.

	In fact if you can read or listen to KANNADASAN'S
	(yah! one time DK / DMK) follower) "ARTHAMULLA
	INDHU MADHAM" you will start appreciating some
	of the good things of HINDUISM. All of them have
	a hidden benefit but everything was branded in the
	name of GOD as people had more fear for GOD atleast
	in those days.



PK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Tamil Language Database.
Originator: crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:53:39 GMT

 Hello,
        I am looking for a database of sounds/speech of the tamizh
language for my research. Does anybody have already prepared/used
a corpus/corpora (Tamizh) in CD-ROM for speech processing applica-
tions? Please inform me if the Tamizh corpus is available right-now
either in India/North-America or elsewhere. 
                                            Can anyone give few
information about the latest availability of speech database in
North-America (and how to access etc...) on Tamizh/any Dravidian
language? Thanks.
        
Panivuden,
C.Rathinavelu


"The Importance of a Language is not Measured by the Number of
People Speaking it" - M.C.R.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,act.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: posting via email....
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:47:09 GMT


The following person wanted me to post an article for him.
 "From supervisor@ravi.gsfc.nasa.gov Tue Aug 18 13:00:53 1992
  Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:01:38 -0400"

I tried sending him an email and bounced and I do not intend to post
any thing for an account that could not be directly verified by me.
I am sorry about that.

But anybody can post to a news group via email. Just compile
your article and send it to soc-culture-tamil@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
if you want it to be posted to soc.culture.tamil.
The point is just make the dots in the newsgroup name to hyphens.

Good luck
S_Bala
From: prabhu@vercors.frec.bull.fr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tongue twisters (naamadakkigaL?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: K.Prabhakar@frec.bull.fr
Organization: Bull S.A. Echirolles

Does any one have a collection of Thamizh tongue twisters? 
For starters,
1. yaar thecha sattai? thaaththa thecha sattai.

2. Thiruvaaroor thEradiyil kallidaRa karadidaRa karadu muradidaRa
   thEngai nuniyidaRa idaRi vizhaathE kurudaa.

Any more? 

Has anyone tried these after having a large chunk of ice-cream?
BTW, How does one call them in thamizh? If it does not exist,
how about naamadakkigaL.

Prabhu
yAmaRintha mozhigaLilE thamizh mozhi pOl inithAvathu engum kANOm
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3292 soc.culture.lebanon:3801
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:25:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Glories of our nations
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:54:12 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

A.Jaber writes:
	
       >Yes there was past glories for our old nations in the Mideat
       >and one of them was under Islamic rule. This does not mean that
	>Islam have the solution. It is the people who carry Islam or any
	>other religion who make the difference.


A Jaber
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
We will never return back to our GLORIES and NEVER BE A POWERFUL NATION
AS LONG AS there are scums like you who beleive in ARABISIM and beleive 
that a butcher like Saddam or a scum like Aflag is their GOD.
The reason for all the POVERTY AND SUFFERINGS IN OUR COUNTRIES 
is because the people who rule us are not TRUE MOSLEMS in fact 
most of them are christians or jews claim to be christians.
Tariq Aziz who is practically rules Iraq is a good example
and many more who use ARABISIM and NATIONALISIM to destroy our 
Country and  our values.

I remember the SCUM Tariq Aziz issue a decree that it is illegal 
to wear HIJAB at the school and the Universities and I know many
sisters in their final year left the University because of this decree.



M.G.
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:35:13 GMT

In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>
>In USA the price of oil as fuel is 3 times less than 
>Britain or Germany. Why did the coalition got together
>against Iraq and not agains Serbs?

The 'price' of oil is basically the same in Europe and the USA, neglecting
differences in transportation.  The difference in consumer prices are the
taxes, which are much higher outside the USA.

The answer to your question is that Oil is more important to Westerners
than Serbs are. (don't we live in a wonderful world :-(

Mark
From: martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Answering Mr Nabil
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:30:18 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Inc., Hopkinton, MA

In article <1992Aug19.134200.10189@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:

>Why do you guys think that because I am Palestinian or because I am talking
>against the rulers of the Arab world that I am automatically pro-Iraq? Iraq
>is corrupted just as much as the other arab countries. I did not know that 
>Iraq kept selling oil, if this is correct then they are cheap. However, don't
>deny that the Gulf countries reluctantly stopped pumping oil to the West during
>the oil embargo.

Are you suggesting that the Gulf Arabs were before the invasion of
Kuwait less committed to aiding Palestinians than other Arabs?  In
fact, they have generally represented the Palestinian cause to the
West better than any other Arabs.  I also have to point out that
supporting the oil embargo was a lot easier for countries like Syria
or Yemen to support which lost no sales revenue during the period of
the embargo.  What did supporting the oil embargo cost Arab countries
which have no oil?

>Mr. Kutaiba, I am not singling out the Emir, I am talking about all the rulers 
>of the Arab world. I mentioned the Emir just as an example. It was a good example
>to show that when the allies liberated Kuwait, they had the power to perform 
>democratic elections in Kuwait, but instead they preferred to let the Emir 
>rule again for the fear of some one they cannot manipulate might be elected.

Kuwait did not function so badly before the invasion.  Therefore,
introducing major changes with unpredictable consequences would seem
fool-hardy.

In any case if the US is to engage in major social political
engineering, would it not make more sense for the US to rank as a
higher priority the eradication of the current Iraqi
social-political-cultural system which seems the basis for major
oppression, aggression and genocide?  De-baathification would be
analogous to de-nazification.

>I don't hate the Kuwaiti people, you, the Gulf people in general, made us
>cuss the moment that we were born Arabs. 

The Kuwaitis and other Gulf Arabs sought the assistence of the US and
aided the US in the liberation of Kuwait, Kuwaitis and Kuwaiti
property from Iraqi aggression.  What is your problem with this
behavior?  How would you have acted differently if you had been in
their situation.

>					  I am in the United States here feel
>more at home than when I was in Qatar for few years. Is this a way to treat 
>Arabs. I hope that you read my previous article which I directed to you, If 
>you did not, I will post it again.

Of course, you are more comfortable here.  Americanism is superior to
Arab-Islamic culture and for the good of all Middle Eastern peoples
and the world in general, Americanism must one day supplant
Arab-Islamic culture in the Middle East and North Africa.


>Nabil
--
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: arabic music lover needs info
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:45:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

In article <1992Aug19.161054.10446@dhhalden.no>, borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre
Ludvigsen) wrote:
> 
> > U53048@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> > : hi  I am an american who is trying to find some names of arabic singers and pla
> > : ces I can buy their recordings.  Also, I once heard a female singer in Cairo (a
> 
> Try these: Semiramis, 26th & Mission Street, San Francisco (sorry, I don't have  
> their phone number) or Foto-Video, 15-17 Edgware Road, London W2 2JE (tlf 71 724  
> 1221 fax 71 706 4635)
> 


Samiramis Imports, Inc.,
2990 MIssion Street,
San Francisco, CA 94110,

Phone 415-824-6555,  FAX # 415-824-6556.

Joe
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3359 talk.politics.mideast:18836
From: aabdalla@pollux.usc.edu (Ahmed Abd-Allah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Meaning please...
Date: 13 Aug 1992 10:47:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Urgent request for help on Arabic:

What does "KI-SA-FAN" mean (Kaf, Sin, Feh, Alif - with 2 fathas)?
You will find this word in Surat Al Rum (#30), verse 48.  The 
Yusuf Ali translation says "to break up into fragments" but I've looked
up the verb "Ka-Sa-Fah" in two Arabic-English dictionaries, and the
heavily primary meaning listed is "to darken, to become gloomy, to
eclipse".  In fact only one reference says "to cut up."

I am of the opinion that "to darken" is the intended meaning in this
particular verse (when you read it you'll see what I mean).  But please
email me with your info.  

I AM ESPECIALLY REQUESTING THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OLD ARABIC TAFSEERS TO 
PLEASE TAKE TWO MINUTES OF THEIR TIME TO LOOK UP THIS VERSE AS A FAVOR 
SINCE I DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE MATERIALS...  

Thanks!

Email is appreciated...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3327 soc.culture.lebanon:3821
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:22:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <12596.9208171525@thor.cf.ac.uk> scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:

>I remember the SCUM Tariq Aziz issue a decree that it is illegal 
>to wear HIJAB at the school and the Universities and I know many
>sisters in their final year left the University because of this decree.

I know that the Baathist scum in Iraq have cracked down on
fundamentalist/devout/your-favorite-adjective Muslims many
times.  But was this dress limitation broad or only in
specific programs or activities?  For example, at Kuwait University
there are a lot of women on campus fully veiled.  But they
aren't allowed to wear the veils in a few places, like
(I think) medical programs where they have to do activities
where the clothing will get in the way (using a microscope
or lab equipment, etc.).  Some are upset that in Kuwait they
don't allow the women to drive when they're fully veiled
(I forget the term---where only a slit is showing).  This
seems quite reasonable to me, since the restricted vision
would cause a lot of accidents (there are already way too
many in Kuwait).
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4089      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: najem@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Zeyad Najem)
Subject: Re: Kuwaiti abbreviation? 
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:41:55 GMT

timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) writes:


>I hope readers of this newsgroup can answer this question.


>Some businesses in Kuwait use the abbreviation "S.A.K." in their names.
>For example:   Willco Kuwait S.A.K.
>	       Commercial Bank of Kuwait, S.A.K.


>What does this abbreviation stand for?  Please don't guess -- I need
>a definite answer.  Thank you very much for your help.

>Tim Klein  (timk@meaddata.com)


 Why not call the Commercial Bank (NY Branch) and ask them. Their
 number is (212) 207-2420

 - Ziad
   najem@cs.uiuc.edu
From: rached@taylor.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: MONITOR:soc.culture.arabic
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:38:43 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

Article: 6309 of soc.culture.arabic
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.arabic,alt.moslem.wanted.gay,talk.bizarre
From: greg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Nowak)
Subject: Re: Offensive Newsgroup
Followup-To: news.admin,soc.culture.arabic,misc.test,alt.moslem.wanted.gay,talk.bizarre
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:00:23 GMT

IN NEWS.ADMIN,  zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi) says:

}>Recently, three new newsgroups were created in "alt" group hierarchy.
}>Among those three, one is "alt.moslem.wanted.gay". 

}>Needless to say, muslim community on net is very much offended
}>by the creation of this group. 


I leave it to others to explain to Mr. Kazmi what the alt net is. It
is worth pointing out, though, that just becuause a religious or other
cultural group has certain ideals, it does not follow that the world
at large is obligated to help that group maintain a whitewashed
picture of that group. Many Christians believe their religion forbids
homosexuality; many homosexuals identify themselves as Christians. Few
Christians go so far as to deny the _existence_ of gay Christians --
though some Muslims on the net have denied the existence of gay
Muslims. Perhaps hard-line American Muslims are more strict than their
Arabic brethren on this issue -- after all, Ali Laaridh, the spokesman
of the Tunisian Islamic movement Annadha, is homosexual, and is
receiving criticism about this more from the NON-Islamic government of
Tunisia than from his fellow Tunisian Muslims. 

I'm often struck by the inherent contradiction of the pronouncements
of Muslim doomsayers on the net: first they tell us, "you will have to
answer to Allah one day" and three lines later it's "I feel like doing
a little of Allah's work for him RIGHT NOW!" Can't Allah take care of
himself? Meanwhile, can't we have a little tolerance?


             greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mokhtar@bmtlh196.BNR.CA (Mokhtar Amalou)
Subject: test
Reply-To: mokhtar@bmtlh196.BNR.CA (Mokhtar Amalou)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:15:45 GMT

please discard.. this is a test
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bigots and Bigotry has no place on Arab Land.!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:52:18 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
>
>Why is there such a fuss over arabism and islam? The founder of the Arab 
>League, AbdurRahman Azzam, was an international Muslim. He claimed all of
>Africa and Asia as his own (dar al islam). The head of the Arab League during
>the woar in the persian gulf stated that there is nothing wrong with unity
>among the Arabs as long as that unity is a subset of something else. He did not
>want to refer to what that something else was, but it was painfully obvious
>that he meant islam. so why do you guys have to fight over arabism v. islamism?
>say we are muslim and we are arab, we will do things to strengthen our unity,
>but we will not jeopardize our unity with the other muslim people. is that so
>hard to grasp?
>
>proud to be muslim

	You are absolutely right Zafar. There is no Arab Muslim who is
	not proud of being a muslim.

	The association of Arabs and Arabic with Islam is  eternal
	weather people like it or not. For those who are oppsed to any
	thing Arabic I say they have no awareness that the early
	generation of Arabists like the name you have outlined above
	were fighting to bring Arabic to its past Glory to be able to
	carry the message of Islam.

	The early Arab thinkers late last century and early this
	centuary were very strong Muslims in their belief and were very
	disturbed by the fact that the non-Arab rule of the Ottomans has
	led to certain decline in the understanding of Islam. The
	Ottomans have neglected Arabic and its basics and above all
	neglected education to the degree that the population became
	less aware about their life.

	Those who are opposed to Arabic do it from the Option of hate
	and only hate for Arabic and the Arabs. All this anti-Arabist
	voices are coming from people who do not belong to the Arabic
	culture and way of life. If they like to opt out of our life we
	have no objection. They can go away and form their religion.

	The haters of Arabism are bigoted people because they are
	opposed to the idea of giving equality to non-Muslim Arabs i.e
	Arab Christians. We the Muslim Arabs are determined to have
	Equality with our fellow Arab Christians what ever the porice
	is. We the Muslim Arabs are not going to be like the Serbs or
	the Spanish or the Germans.

	People like this Bigot MG at Cardiff is spreading hate against 
	Arabs and Sunni Muslims and then attacks Arab Christians, I
	tell you this Guy and his likes has no place among us period.

>zafar

A Jaber