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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach suggestions?
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:26:23 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <1k1fkjINNndl@news.hi.com> alan@hicomb.hi.com (Alan Greenspan) writes:
>I'm looking for suggested courses to play in Myrtle Beach.  I'm going
>with my Dad who's 77, so we're not too interested in killer layouts.  I'm
>more interested in playable courses with nice surroundings and in good
>condition.  I've already gotten some suggestions for:
>
>	Wild Wing Hummingbird
>	Long Bay Parkland
>	Heather Glen
>	Blackmor
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Alan

 We have played 20 different courses at Myrtle.  For your dad, the
 really good courses will be too hard.

 We like, among the cheaper courses, Buck Creek and my buddy likes
 Brick Landing.  Buck has 27 holes, one shorter one, and then two
 really nice nines.  The only problem at Buck is the greens,  which
 have lots of grass and hold well, but are quite slow.

 Brick Landing is an interesting layout with water on about 15 of the
 holes and narrow fairways, but it is short.  From the back tees, it
 is really a track, but up front, it is short enough that I hit
 lots of 4 irons and wedges to par fours.  The only problem at the
 Brick is the two 90 yard par 3's.

 The bottom line about MB is that with 93 courses to choose from,
 you can hardly ever get all winners or all losers.  If you like
 bent, go with the Wild Wing, Pearl, Dunes, Arcadian Shores, etc.,
 for they have fast bent  greens.  If you are used to the kind fo
 stubby bermuda they have down south, there are a lot more courses
 to play.

 No matter what, your dad will probably like Blackmoor, the Gary
 Player course.  It is an old style course with interesting
 doglegs and enough challenges to make it hard and interesting,
 yet playable enough to make for a really pleasant round of golf.

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Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: NEW PLAYER
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:13:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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About the only fix for gauging the strength of putts is to develop
"feel", and the only way I know to develop feel is to practice
putting on a regular basis. This comes more naturally to some
people than others, but I agree with Tom Kite who says (in his
book called "How to Play Consistent Golf") that *anyone* can develop
feel - it just takes practice. I don't agree with all of Kite's swing
suggestions, but his book is excellent at conveying a positive mental
attitude and ways to make practicing fun...

Fred 
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	Fred L. Templin
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From: johnmac@mks.com (John MacTavish)
Subject: Steve Jones
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:24:18 GMT

Does anyone know the status of Steve Jones. Is he still playing on the tour.
Please post or mail me


John(johnmac@mks.com)

From: southard@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Southard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 02:53:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Reducing swingweight in driver
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

In rec.sport.golf, fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:

> All of them mentioned that cutting the length of the shaft will decrease the
> swingweight. Is this correct? Can the shaft be cut at the butt end? Someone
> mentioned that cutting 1/2" can bring D4 back to D1? Any comments? I wouldn't
> mind losing the extra 1/2" as I really don't think it I am getting any benefit
> from it. What tool can be used to cut the graphite shaft?

As my earlier uninformed response made clear, I'm not sure what the swing
weight effects of cutting down the shaft are, but shortening the shaft is not
too hard.  Do it at the butt end (you can't practically do it at the head
end, and I'm pretty sure that would worsen the swing weight problem rather
than improve it anyway).  To cut the graphite shaft, remove the grip, wrap
two or three turns of masking tape around the butt end (to prevent
splintering of the graphite), then cut through the tape with a hacksaw or a
cutoff wheel.  Do NOT use a tube cutter as you would for a steel shaft.

Jim Southard
southard@fc.hp.com
From: ronm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Mora)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:02:20 GMT
Subject: Re: handicapping software ...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

Alan,
Your program sounds real interesting.  Please send me the source.
Thanks in Advance,
Ron Mora
From: tfalk@decoy.uucp (25442-falk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golfsmith Kevlar Turbo Head
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:19:16 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ


After going to the range this weekend, I decided it was time to give
the clubs a cleaning before the hopefully coming warmer weather.

I noticed what appear to be several small cracks in the face of my
driver, which is the Kevlar Turbo head from Golfsmith.

Has anyone else seen this before?  I bought this thing because Kevlar is
supposed to be indestructable and I hoped it wouldn't scratch up like
the persimmons and metal woods tend to. (at least when you don't hit them
correctly every time........)

Does anyone know if there is any kind of warranty on these things?  I
only bought and assembled in in July 1992.  Thanks in advance...

Ted
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From: kevin@circus.Camex.COM (Kevin McKeon)
Subject: Golfing in Freeport, Bahamas
Followup-To: Nothin'
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:04:30 EST


	My golf buddies and I have stumbled onto a very cheap
(inexpensive) trip to Freeport, Bahamas in mid-February. Does anyone
know of any golf courses there that are worth playing (hell, I'd play
in a cow pasture if I had to) and if so, should we call ahead of time
(like in the next week or two) to make some tee-times? How expensive
is a round of golf down there (we're trying to figure out how much $
to allocate to golf and how much to allocate the RUM!)? Thank you in
advance!

Fore!!



Kevin P. McKeon, Camex Inc/DuPont
US Mail: 75 Kneeland Street, Boston, MA 02111
  Voice: (617) 426-7550, ext 463 Fax: (617) 426-9285
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From: hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer)
Subject: Re: Too Cold to play in Utah...
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:33:08 GMT

In article <WVOSS.120.0@novell.com> WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss) writes:
> Hello!
> 
> I'm new to this newsgroup and just wanted to drop a line and say hello.  
(See 
> above... <G>)
> 
> I've been suffering this weekend. We've been getting dumped with snow  
this 
> week in Utah. (We are currently at 550% of average snowfall for  
January..)
> Anyway, for some reason, I was coping well with the end of the golf  
season 
> pretty well till this week. Now, I turn on the tube, and it's golf  
reruns, 
> and golf video infomercials, and I got Pennick's book for Christmas and  
am 
> finishing it right now. (GREAT BOOK! by the way..)
> 
> Anyway, even though I am the worlds WORST player (36 strokes is never 
> enough! <G>), I enjoy the game and look forward to the ongoing  
discussion.
> 
> Wes
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Wes Voss
> Internet: wvoss@novell.com
> Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
> and no one elses... You know the rest...
> --------------------------------------------------

IT'S FINALLY STARTING TO MELT!!!!! (only 10" on the ground)

Now's the time to head to Bonneville and play for free.  Lots of casual  
water. Flags are still in place (presumably to keep X-C skiers off the  
greens).  Now there's finally a use for those ugly orange balls. :-) 
--
James Kleimeyer
FFF Research Center, Dept. of Chemistry
University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
(801) 581-7168   hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu  (NeXT Mail)
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From: ewolfe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe)
Subject: Re: Ping Zing Question
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:43:58 GMT

In article <727910703.AA09235@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:

>Golfsmith, Dynacraft, and Golfworks all have their 1993 catalogs out
>now and only Golfsmith has a Ping  Zing  clone  head  offered...it's
>called  the  "XTRA".  I might just build a 7 iron with this clubhead
>just as a demo.....

Golfsmith's XPC2000 head looks even more like the Zing head to me than
the XTRA (which is, believe it or not, even *uglier* looking than the
Zing).  However, Golfsmith calls the XPC2000 a mid-size head.  Are the
Zings standard sized or a little bigger?  They look a little bigger
than many other heads to me (as did the Eye2), but that could be an
illusion.
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Weighting the backs of woods?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:26:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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I've been seeing pictures lately of pros (like Ray Floyd and Tom
Kite) holding woods that have some sort of tape added to the back
of the clubhead, which I'm assuming adds weight. Does anyone know
what the theory is behind this? Does it give extra distance or add
extra loft or something?
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	Fred L. Templin
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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf range
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:59:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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> grass in the summer. With my old swing I couldn't buy a divot but
> now I'm ripping the back yard up. :-)

My uncle, who's golfed for more years than I've been alive, has a
cute little saying, Carlyle. He says that you need to "hit the LITTLE
ball (the golf ball) before you hit the BIG ball (the earth :-) )".
If you're hitting the ground (or carpet) before you hit the golfball,
you can sometimes get decent results off the driving range carpet,
but you'll usually get poor results off the turf. Someone earlier
suggested a method to tell this by placing tees on either side of the
ball and taking a swing. If the divot is in front of the tees, you're
OK, but if it's behind you're hitting "fat" shots and need to work on
hitting the ball first. Sorry I don't have a reference to the earlier
posting...

Fred

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	Fred L. Templin
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From: bell@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Ping Zing versus Ping Eye 2.
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:18:25 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA

Some of my friends that have Ping Zing clubs have been trying to convince me
that I should buy a set but $590 for a set of 9 clubs seems a bit steep to
me.  So, I was looking at the many Eye 2 clones out on the market.  This has
probably been discussed here previously in this group but I've only been
reading it for about 2 weeks...so sorry for repeating.  Does anyone have any
opinions regarding the Ping Zing clubs?  Are they worth the money or are the
cloned Eye 2's just as good?  Are there any other perimeter weighted clubs
that compete?

Thanks,

______________________________________________________________________________
Tom Bell                                                 email:  bell@nosc.mil
NCCOSC RDT&E (NRaD)
San Diego, CA
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From: vallille@emr1.emr.ca (Roy Vallillee)
Subject: Re: NEW PLAYER
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:20:17 GMT

Just another addition to the fine advice you have gotten so far.  What I 
felt really helped was to play with other golfers who were a lot better
than I was and learn by seeing it.  I also practiced the weak parts of my 
game but really playing with better (and occasionally a little bet to make
you perform under pressure) really helped.  Went from 11-12 to 6-7 in two
summers.  Good players usually do the fundamentals well.  Hope this helps.
From: gtarrant@metz.une.edu.au (GREGORY TARRANT)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Lead tape on woods
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:53:06 GMT


     

     Isn't it a bit of a waste of time putting lead tape on the back 
of clubs. You can go through your whole set and correct the swing weight 
of every club with lead tape, but is it going to improve your golf.I
think not.The pros might do it but I think it is more of a mental thing
rather than a change of weight.        

 As you pointed out by putting lead tape on a wood you not only change
its swing weight you also changing its center of mass. Which can not be
an improvement. If you have to much weight on say the toe of the club this
will tend to come through last on your swing creating a slice.

 I think any one that tampers with there clubs in this way might as well 
put brass plugs down the tip of the shaft. This way the center of mass
should not change and they willn't look like an idiot with heaps of 
lead tape stuck on their clubs..   

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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Golf Balls
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:03:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.144733.3195@mixcom.com> Thomas.Jenquin <Thomas.Jenquin@mi
xcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>What I'd like to see is a golf ball with an electronic homing beacon that can
>be turned on at the start of the round and off at the end.  It could have an
>electronic life of 18 hours and have the on off controlled by magnetics or
>high frequency radio waves.  It sounds do-able. Obviously you would have to
>own a locator.  They could even be digitally coded to prevent confusion with
>other golfers balls.

Well, I've got one.........I found it on the course the other day.  :-0

>--
>Thomas.Jenquin@mixcom.com

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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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From: eire@bluemoon.use.com (Chris Clinton)
Subject: Great Golf Learning Centers
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:40:13 EST

Here in Columbus, OH there is an outfit called "Great Golf Learning 
Center".  As a teaching aid they supply you with a 5-iron that has a
laser mounted in the grip.  Using this is supposed to develop your
swing.  Has anyone got any comments/experience with these people that
they would like to pass on to me (c1c@oclc.org) or to this group

Rgds     .......Chris
From: gtarrant@metz.une.edu.au (GREGORY TARRANT)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re; High Shots
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:11:54 GMT


     

    High shots are all right if you don't lose distance and do not play on
a windy coarse. All my shots go high and yes I also can stop a three iron 
on a dime, as well as a 1 wood of a tee, which can also get a backwards jump,
 not backspin I think. My 1 woods travel about 250m, it 
would be great to get some run though. I can hit a 9 iron 120m = 132yards
on a still day with a tail breeze 150 would be easy. My 7 iron goes about 
150 m =165yards so yes your hitting your 3 iron nowhere. 
You  should use the metric system and get 
out of the stone age its much easier.

   I've wanted to fix the problem of hitting high but I think coaching would
be required and a swing adjustment which I think for me is a waste of time.
The make of clubs you use can also govern the height the ball travels. Some
technical wiz might set you straight here.

 it does sound like your skying every ball.
.
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From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: NEW PLAYER
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:00:05 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>FROM:   tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>
>	Hello everyone, I'm a very novice player in this wonderful world
>of golf.  In a 18 holer, I can average about 120 (GRIN), and I would like

We'll soon fix that.  8^)

>to know if anyone would recommend some steps that I can do to improve (well
>jumpstart) my play to something like an 80.  My basic problems are hitting

Maybe not that soon, though.  Realistically, reaching 80 in 3 years is 
quite an accomplishment.  Some never do.  I'd shoot more for the mid 
90s the first year, high 80s second, and mid-to-low 80s for an 
indefinite period.  Not to discourage you, but you will do well to match 
this schedule.  I do not mean to suggest that you could not do 
considerably better than this, but I have known a very few that have.
Steve Cappoccia, a friend of mine, went form 90s to low 70s (occasional 
60s) in about 3 years, but he was an ex-pro hockey player and played 
with the best players in the area -- a lot.

>the ball.  In the earlier holes, I would hit a ball decently (I do not have
>very much power (GRIN)) and especially straight.  But later on, I would usually
>hit it to the left (what do you call it?  Hook?).  Also I need some putting

That's encouraging!  You have talent.  Most people start out slicing.

[All will be revealed...]

>	From my memory, most of the score comes from long shots and putting.
>I have a limit finance, but I will be taking a golf class at college next
>quarter (we are under the quarter system, 10 weeks).  Any tips and suggestion
>would be nice.

If the instructor is not a PGA professional, don't take the golf class with 
the intent of learning how to hit a golf ball.  Demand better from your 
school. If, on the other hand, there's somebody like Fred Funk 
available, go for it.

Read the threads.  Get a feel for what it takes to play well. The game's 
95% mental.  Lot of good players post to this group from the 
looks of things.

What a coup if we can collectively coach you onto the tour via internet! 
We'll all be famous!  And you'll be rich!

-jim

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From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Golf Balls
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:56:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.144733.3195@mixcom.com> Thomas.Jenquin <Thomas.Jenquin@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>What I'd like to see is a golf ball with an electronic homing beacon that can
>be turned on at the start of the round and off at the end.  It could have an
>electronic life of 18 hours and have the on off controlled by magnetics or
>high frequency radio waves.  It sounds do-able. Obviously you would have to
>own a locator.  They could even be digitally coded to prevent confusion with
>other golfers balls.  
>
>My eyes are failing faster than my swing and I loose about 2 balls a round
>usually one in the fairway or short cut.  I would be willing to pay $10 to cut
>2 strokes off my score consistently.
>-- 
>Thomas.Jenquin@mixcom.com

So there was this friend of mine ...
He shows me this new ball he has.
It's got a beeper for locating the area where its landed.
It has a flashing LED for finding it once the area is located.
It has a float in case it goes in the water.
You just can't lose it!

"Where did you get it?" I ask.

"Oh, I found it!" he says.

Mike N.
From: vallille@emr1.emr.ca (Roy Vallillee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf stuff
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:26:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Steve K Cramer (scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Did anyone notice that Howard Twitty's caddie didn't have any shoes on, and he
: also was wearing shorts?

Yeah, I noticed but I bet you after his week with Twitty, he will have at
least one pair of shoes for awhile.     ROY 


: Also Paul Azinger is still using "the Thing."


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: Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
: "just hit it"              614-292-8481
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From: filipows@spk.hp.com (Dennis Filipowski)
Subject: Re: What's gone wrong?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:16:02 GMT

   I don't think any thing is wrong with your swing. The problem is
  in your head. You don't forget how to tie your shoes. Golf is the
  same. See Golf in the kingdom.
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From: vallille@emr1.emr.ca (Roy Vallillee)
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:06:55 GMT

Bob Milosavljevic (milos@inmet.camb.inmet.com) wrote:
: In article <2936730613.11.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
: >
: >And putt lots of absolutely straight putts.  If you can't make 9 of 10 
: >ten footers (or better) in a row, on a putt that you know is absolutely 
: >straight, your stroke needs work.  See above ---COREY PAVIN.
: >
: >-jim
: >

: Unless you're putting on a pool table, this is an unreasonable expectation.
: Foot prints, spike marks, ball marks, imperfections/disease in the grass,
: and even the time of day are among the many factors that can make an absolutely straight
: 10-foot putt unsinkable. Even for the top pros, a 90% success rate from 10 feet
: is extraordinary, if not impossible, and there are numbers that back this up.

My two cents worth!    PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.   
                        OK four cents worth!

ROY
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: Bob Milosavljevic
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From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Ping Zing Question
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:00:06 -0600

Do we have any folks out there that are using the  Ping  Zing  irons
(or  clones)?  I'm curious as to your impressions of the clubs. Does
the extra peripheral weighting really help give  the  club  a  solid
feel (it ought to for the ugliness  tradeoff)?  Does  it  feel  more
solid than the previous set of clubs you used??

Golfsmith, Dynacraft, and Golfworks all have their 1993 catalogs out
now and only Golfsmith has a Ping  Zing  clone  head  offered...it's
called  the  "XTRA".  I might just build a 7 iron with this clubhead
just as a demo.....


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