From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Moving during kicking
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article 92Sep3113926@martinique.Cayman.COM, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep3.040220.16319@hou.amoco.com> zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore) writes:
>
>   In article <MARY.92Sep2174033@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>   >
>   >In article <3581@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>   >
>   >   In article <MARY.92Sep1123818@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>   >   >   >A good martial artist will not be unbalanced when executing a kick.
>   >   >	   Yes, but unless she's a *great* martial artist she'll sure as hell
>   >   >   be immobile until that foot gets back down to the mat.
>   >   >Disagree.  Many times I've seen someone with the front foot up to block
>   >   >(or chambered for a kick) scoot forward by pushing off with the standing
>   >   >leg.  It's not a hop, it's a sort of slide, and it looks really weird...
>   >
>   >	   I'm probably demonstrating my ignorance of the finer points of kicking,
>   >   but here goes :-) 
>   >
>   >	   If you move your body in any way but towards the target of your
>   >   kick, don't you lose the power of your kick?  
>   >
>   >This move is used when you're moving toward the target...I've never seen it
>   >done moving away.
>   >
>   Actually, I've seen *VERY* effective front/side kicks used while retreating
>   from an oncoming attackers, particularly by TKD artists. 
>
>Absolutely...but that is not the sliding kick that I described.  I've never
>seen the sliding kick done while moving AWAY from the target, only while
>moving TOWARDS it.  It's easy (or doable, anyway) to slide forward with
>only the rear leg on the ground, but it doesn't seem doable to slide backward
>with only the rear leg on the ground...it feels to me like it just won't
>work unless it's the trailing leg, regardless of the direction you're moving.

You're right. The sliding kick would only serve as a "push off" of your opponent,
no damage would be done.
>
>   The back kick 
>   doesn't seem to be as effective, I guess because it's harder to get your 
>   hip/weight into the kick while retreating. 
>
>Some folks do seem to be able to do a retreating JUMP back kick well, though.
>Personally I don't think I'd have the nerve to try it.  I'd stick with one
>of the variations you describe below.  
>
>   The person retreating will move 
>   backwards at a fast shuffle/slow run (depends on attacker's speed) and then 
>   do one of three things: lunge forward with a kick, jump UP and kick forward, 
>   or STOP moving, set him/herself and kick the attacker. Since the attacker 
>   is usually coming in fast, the force of the kick is added to the momentum of 
>   the attacker. This type of kick is usually only effective once or twice in 
>   a given fight/match, but can be *VERY* effective with practice. I know 
>   people who only use it as a last resort and others who like to try to 
>   "trap" people into it.
>
>Right, people learn to watch out for it after they get dumped on their 
>butt a couple of times.  Unfortunately, it can be hard to get around, if
>you're sparring someone who's got much longer legs than you, and who decides
>to fight very defensively.  To get to where you can reach them, you have
>to get inside their range, and someone who's good with that defensive kick
>will just wait...and...whammo.  
>
>I used to spar with this one guy who would leave waffle treads all
>over my upper arms and shoulders, no lie.  %-S

It's the ax kicks I hate. I keep walking right into them ;(.



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