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From: willis@violet.berkeley.edu (Willis Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: time to invest in house trailer manufacturers?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:27:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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Originator: willis@violet.berkeley.edu

I've been wondering where all the people whose houses and apts
were damaged/destroyed by the hurricane will live.  I seem to
recall giant encampments of house trailers after hurricane
Camille.  Any ideas?  House trailer manufacturers?  Leasing
companies?

Willis Johnson
willis@violet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: farmland as an investment
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:15:11 GMT

In <24211@oasys.dt.navy.mil> shaver@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bryan Shaver) writes:

>In misc.invest, msjohnso@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson) writes:
>>>>With all these gloom and doom news, I have been thinking to buy
>>>>some farm land for real long term investment (well, more like
>>>>insurance against total economy collapse).  My reasoning is that,
>>>>when all fail, i.e. FDIC, U.S. bills/notes/bonds all go bankrupt,
>>>>I can go back to my couple hundred acrs of good farmland and raise
>>>>crops, wait till the total Depression is over.
>>
>>Obviously you haven't looked at the cost of running a farm lately.
>>Tractor fuel, whether gas or diesel, is around $1 a gallon, even without
>>road taxes. Fertilizer is $200-$300 or more per ton, depending on which
>>nutrients you're buying. Equipment is horribly expensive, unless you're a
>>genius mechanic and can make old, beat-up, farm-auction equipment do the
>>job for you.
>>
>>My father has run a more or less shoestring operation on the farm (2 farms
>>totaling 600 acres, of which about 350-400 is tillable acreage), and hasn't
>>really made a dime at it since the late 1970's. Of course, the IRS accounting
>>methods always show a taxable profit, but figured against the time required
>>to earn it, it's been a poor living. This explains why I'm not down on the
>>farm myself.
>>
>>If you intend to just subsist to wait out a depression, buy about 30-40
>>acres, firearms and lots of ammunition. 200 acres is far more than is
>>needed (or manageable) for subsistence living, and far less than is required
>>to make a commercial success, in conventional crops.  In specialty crops,
>>such as spearmint or high-dollar vegetables, it's possible to make it.

I agree! You could get by with even less land. Consider the caloric value of
an acre of corn yielding a modest 100 bushels (60 lb per bushel).
 It would be best if you could
cash rent it to help with payments or get CRP land, which gives about 60 bucks
per acre annually to not farm it. If land is going for $700 per acre it aint
a bad deal.




>But I doubt there will be much demand in the Depression!


























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Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: jhc@ivan.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Books on intermarket analysis, international investing??
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:52:01 GMT

I am considering the following books and would like to hear from anyone
who has read them or has seen them.

	Michael S. Gayed, *Intermarket Analysis and Investing: Integrating
	Economic, Fundamental, and Technical Trends.*

	John J. Murphy, *Intermarket Technical Analysis: Trading
	Strategies for the Global Stock, Bond, Commodity, and Currency
	Markets.*

	Martin J. Pring, *International Investing Made Easy: Proven
	Money-Making Strategies with as Little as $5000.*

	Albert J. Fredman, et al., *Investing in Closed-End Funds*.

I need to improve my understanding of bonds vs. stocks as well as
international investing.  I am primarily interested in a good
discussion of the issues; not as interested in a single complicated
approach whose only support is the grand statements of the author; and
certainly none of this "head and shoulders" magic.  I am also committed
to mutual funds instead of individual stocks, but I am considering
doing something directly with currencies as well as international
funds.

Thanks for any help.  --Jim
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: jhc@m2lll.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: Closed End Funds
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:45:11 GMT

In article <5519@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com> mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.145153.5453@cbfsb.cb.att.com> klur@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (david.s.klur) writes:

>>I'm thinking about purchasing some closed end mutual funds (equity)
>>which are selling at a discount, and then "hoping" that the
>>discount will be reduced (i.e., the price will rise).

Tough to find a good discount these days.

>>Are shares of closed end mutual funds traded on the NYSE and AMEX

Yes, most I know of are on NYSE.

>Me too!!  Please post this stuff to the net??  Also the names of
>some Closed-End funds??  And maybe some background on what
>Closed-End funds are and how they work??

Barron's has a list every week, including the selling price, the NAV,
and the discount/premium of the price vs. NAV.  Buy at a discount.

--Jim
Newsgroups: misc.invest
From: tony2@prefect.uucp (21131-gozdz)
Subject: Re: list [and Performance] of [no-load] mutual funds?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:51:41 GMT

In article <1369@esl.ESL.COM> jcyu@barney.esl.com (Jeff Yu) writes:
>Tony,
>> 
>>                         [stuff deleted]
>> 
>> Here it goes: a list of no-load funds of various types, and their performance
>> for all of 1991 (4th column) and 1992 (last):
>>                                         --T.
>> 
>>           NOLOAD   Family               all 1992         1/1/92-8/28/92
>>  No Symbl          Fund Name              Gain  SD  %ile SubR 
>> --- ----- ------------------------------- ---- ---- ---- ---- 
>>   1 LOMCX CGM Capital Development        102.1  7.5   1  -7.3 
>>
>>                         [stuff deleted]
>>
>I'm afraid I don't quite understand your last four columns.  Is "all 1992
>Gain" actually 1991 total return?  What are SD and SubR?  What measure
>does the percentile ranking reflect?  I was also wondering where you
>got this information.  
>
>>                         [stuff deleted]

I'm sorry for the confusion; I tried to make the original
file dump a little clearer, and see what happened ;-)

1. Of course, 'all 1992 Gain' should read '1991 Total
   Return' (my typo, their misleading definition)

2. SD is just the NAV standard deviation for the past 36
   months (that's why 'younger' funds don't have it listed)

3. SubR is (in this case) the total return for 1992 (1/1-8/28)
   (it just means ranking within the second sub-period
   in the program)

4. to quote from the program manual, "the percentile
   ranking better quantifies the ranked relationship of
   the funds [for 1991]. ... The performance differential
   is well expressed in the percentile column."  
   You know now as much as do ;-)

5. (not asked) there are other ways to rank the file, too.

6. Where do I get this data from?
I subscribe to Investor's FastTrack (voice: 1-800-749-1348) 
to get daily NAV updates to >720 mutual funds (equity, bond,
...)  and  >25 market indices thru a 1-800 number for 
$20/mo + $69 "initiation fee". This comes with a neat
graphics package, said data since 9/1/88, and a number
of technical analysis tools (various moving averages,
stochastic, relative strength, and trend indicators, 
buy-and-sell signals etc.) A great toy for an amateur 
mutual fund investor like myself :-). 

BTW, the first trial month WITH the program and an updated
database (4 years) costs only $19.95 (it's not copy-protected).
However, if you get the program from somebody else, 
you will get a password for free for one month on a trial basis.
But it's addictive, I know...

Tony
From: Greg.Wick@f45.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Wick)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Sweating
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Wick@f45.n343.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/45 - The French Connecti, Edmonds Wa
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24314

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Any Quads (I'm a C-5) have a problem with sweating at night? It use
to be just every now and then, but now it's almost every night. I
wake up after a couple hours just sweating. My leg jumps if I take
a deep breth. I get turned and I'm fine for the rest of the night.
A couple times a week even if I get turned I still sweat bad. It's
not so bad if I stay flat on my back, but then my legs kick up and
eack turn a different direction and that really makes me sweat.
Anyone know what can be done about that? Thanks

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From: Arlette.Lefebvre@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Arlette Lefebvre)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Self-help & mental health
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: Arlette.Lefebvre@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL

Index Number: 24049

I just found that reference to a  new self-help manual for
psychiatric patients, posted on Socionet in january of this year...
NO IDEA if it's ANY GOOD..but here it is, anyways:

Title:
 Self-help and Mental Health: Beyond Psychiatry

Authors:
 Nere St Amand and Huguette Clavette

Price WAS $15.00 before Feb 15th, $20.00 thereafter.

Description:

"Persons grappling with mental health problems often have little
choice: some remain dependent on their family, while others become
increasingly reliant upon a psychiatric system that progressively
undermines their independence. Are there any other options? This
book explores new practices that focus on self-help and mutual aid
networks. The author present extracts of interviews and statements
by people who have experienced institutional care and are
attempting to remake their lives independently of such a system.

These extracts illustrate the vitality, creativity and
resourcefulness of persons who are reorganizing their lives by
making selective use of family and institutional resources. It is
in this context that self-help networks take on their full meaning
and become the preferred means of access to independence.

Order from:

  CCSD Publications,
  55 Parkdale Avenue,
  Ottawa, ONT K1Y 4G1
  Tel: (613) 728-1865
  Fax: (613) 728-9387.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

 The above is a Canadian publication.
 I have not come accross any similar American texts, but I DO
 have a brand new American book on Quality Assurance in Mental
 Health (our systems analyst, falah, has borrowed it for
 inspiration in setting up our intake database).

               A bientot, I hope...?

                                               Docteur Froggie.
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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Nls And nfb
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 24183

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Carol!

In a message to Mike Freeman <08 Aug 92 00:03> Carol Ashland wrote:

 CA> Have you really written letters or made phone calls to NLS
 CA> about their moronic selection policies?  I never have.

I've talked to Mr. Cylcke several times about it; in fairness to him, he
says, and he is quite right, that there actually is quite a bit of
demand for the romances, Steven King novels, etc. etc.  There are
getting to be more of us old-fashioned literary types, though, and I
think that the tide *may* be turning.

I have not written to NLS, though, and that would be a good idea.  Nor
have I talked to, say, Judy Dixon or other NLS staff about this (also
that would be a good idea).  The short answer, then, is that I've done
some moaning and groaning and this has been acknowledged but I have not
done nearly as much as I *could* do about it.

Guess that makes me human, huh? {grin}

Mike Freeman
... ** Courtroom, n.:  The place where justice is dispensed with. **
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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From: Mark.Munson@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Munson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Siggy's perfect house
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: Mark.Munson@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14.0 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 24250

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

KT>I just finished the rough draft of a picture book (around 32 pages) for
KT>kids. It was about a little boy that builds his own little playhouse.

KT>But after I finished, I realized that I had a chance to teach a little
KT>bit about "accessibility" to little kids by changing Siggy to be
KT>a child in a wheelchair.

KT>So Siggy, perhaps alone, or with his parents, siblings, or friends is
KT>going to build his perfect house.

KT>So help me out... what should he have in it?

Karen,
   I like the concept..  I am a publisher also...  There are not too
   many ways to let a child understand why another child would need
   accesability, so go for what the would probably see day to day....

   Go for...  What if Grandma needs to get into (this house), that I am
   building, Grandmas a lot of times have wheel chairs, so lets think
   ahead and build for them...

   What do you think?

Mark

 * SLMR 2.1a * Siggy is Young, think about the old!

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From: Ruthie.Hoffman@f223.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ruthie Hoffman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Chest/Rib Cage Pain
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:28:39 GMT
Reply-To: Ruthie.Hoffman@f223.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/223 - Interstellar System, Vine Valley NY

Index Number: 24147

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Hiya Bob..

I'm sorry to hear you are in pain.  As any of us here can tell you, pain is NO
fun!

One thing though, I am sure I'm not alone here in this "echo" when I say that
you should NOT expect a diagnosis via the computer/online. Instead of heading
to a hospital for help, have you looked into a local clinic or health center?
I'm guessing (and this is a GUESS) that you don't have a regular medical doctor
and don't feel you can afford to go to one in private practice. If that's the
case, there may be a clinic/health center available, or even a doctor in
private practice, that will see you and work with you on a payment plan or find
medical assistance for you. I'm guessing that this isn't what you wanted to
hear here, but I'll bet several folks will echo my opinion.  We'd love to help
you if we could, but this isn't the medium for diagnosis!

That said, I can offer some personal experience with similar pain. I had the
same sort of pain and when I finally went to the doc (I too was very scared),
and after a bunch of tests I was diagnosed as having strained thorasic muscles.
 It took months to heal and I had flare ups of pain for a couple years
afterwards. I'm thankful to say that it's been gone for a number of years now.

My brother had similar pains on 3 different occasions.  He was hospitalized
twice in fact due to the pains.  The last time they ordered him to discontinue
ANY intake of caffine and sugar.  No chocolate, nothing!  He is not overweight,
active and doesn't smoke or drink, but was under alot of stress (always is).
He also found that he has a mitral valve something or other!!!  He is on some
medication now and doing well.

I'm telling you these things to illustrate that there could be MANY different
reasons you are experiencing these pains and the only way to find out what is
causing them is to get to a medical doctor.

The best of luck and please write here and keep us posted.

CULater, Ruthie

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From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Deaf Drivers
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 24274

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 KH> does your hearing problem affect your driving?

Most jurisdictions require deaf and severely HoH drivers to be
equipped with side mirrors.  And it's helpful to have a device
to alert you when your turn signal stays ON.  So I suppose you
could say that driving is affected.

But in driving, as in so many other things, deaf and HoH folks
can be just as good - or as bad - as anyone else.  We're not
accident prone.  Some people with impaired hearing are even
professional race drivers.  At least one has won the Indy 500!

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From: Mary.Frost@p0.f41.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Frost)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Pain
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:27:53 GMT
Reply-To: Mary.Frost@p0.f41.n147.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/41.0 - American SITE ADANe, Norman OK

Index Number: 24143

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

I recently have learned to use the computer, with the help of my son, at
least I am getting better!  I have read the messages for a few weeks and
never had the nerve to leave a message - until now.  I feel a bit funny
about writing about my back pain after reading how so many people suffer
much more than I do.  I had a car accident in 1983.  I had a chymopapin(?)
injection in the L4-5 area in December, 1983 (it is a papaya emzyme).  That
was terrible, I had muscle spasms and could not move for almost 2 weeks.
Then in Jan 1984 I had surgery on the herniated disk.  I had pretty good
results for almost two years and then had a fusion in May 1986.  I believe
the results would have been good if I had not been hurt only 7 weeks later.
I had returned to my job as a secretary and started to get on the elevator
(in a very old dorm building with very heavy elevators) and the doors slammed
on me.  Of course I ended back in the hospital, unable to work since.   All
my plans changed!  I have been to many different doctors - some who prescribed
medication for pain, anti-inflammatories (which I had a bleeding ulcer from
and thought I may die!).  I went through a spine center pain clinic in
Oklahoma City this past year and the only new thing I learned was that
"again" there was nothing that can be done to help.  Well, for someone
reluctant to leave a message, I have left a book...  Now, I take 150 mg
elavil to help with the pain and go to sleep, although I cannot sleep for
long.  My doctor now says that  pain medication is too addictive to prescribe;
some days are extremely difficult.  Especially if I sit at the computer
very long - so goodbye for now.  Thanks for listening.
                                                         Mary Frost

... Catch the Blue Wave!

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From: CSMIDHC%UCLAMVS.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU (Danny Hilton-Chalfen)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Voice Output on PC tied to Mainframe (Digest #2870)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: CSMIDHC%UCLAMVS.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU (Danny Hilton-Chalfen)

Index Number: 23984

Mick Shatswell (shat@ecst.csuchico.edu) of Cal State Chico writes:

"I am trying to get some information on voice output on a PC
tied to a mainframe.  It was suggested to us to try McErma(sp?).
Does anyone have any information re either McErma or any others?
We are using a 3270 coax and are open to any board with a screen
reader.  We are curretnly using DecTalk with multi voice.  We tried
Attachmats 3270 with VocalEyes without the needed results.

I would appreciate any help with this problem.  How do we do this?
What board do we use?  Which software do we need?"

Mick:   At UCLA the Disabilities and Computing Program used to do 3270
emulation via coax connection.  We used an Idea 3270 coax board with the
VOS screen reader and Dectalk on a DOS machine.  At the time I was
informated that the Irma board would also work.  Now we do all our 3270
emulation over token ring networks (with Novell netware) running PC 3270
as the terminal emulation program and Flipper as the screen reader with
Dectalk.   If you have any questions about these setups, please feel
free to contact me.

 Danny Hilton-Chalfen
 Coordinator, UCLA Disabilities and Computing Program
  csmidhc@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
  310-206-7133
From: Bob.Officer@f408.n208.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Officer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: More pain
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Officer@f408.n208.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:208/408 - The Beemer Board, Manteca CA

Index Number: 24023

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

KM > Has anyone used one of those electrical stimulators for managing
KM > chronic pain?  I met a woman who used one, but would like more

I have a "tens"  unit. I thinks it helps somewhat. Sometime more
than other times.

It is no for everyone. Some people get no relief and must go to
other types of relief. I found that there are different type of
pads for the unit and some work better than others. I found the
large silver ones are best for me and may last up to three or four
weeks. and battery lasts 12 to 16 hours depending on how high the
unit is turned up.

I hope that workmans-comp keeps paying for the pads becuase I see
they get expensive after a bit....

Bob Officer
===
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From: Shelby.Sherman@f67.n123.z1.fidonet.org (Shelby Sherman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: General Interest
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:30:38 GMT
Reply-To: Shelby.Sherman@f67.n123.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:123/67 - Shelby's Swamp, Bartlett TN

Index Number: 24397

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

 > This sounds like good stuff.  I take ibuprofen during the day,
 > and sometimes need something stronger in the evening.  I
 > definitely don't want to take something with acetaminophen in it
 > if I can help it.  All I have now are Tylenol 3's, so sometimes
 > I take those.  Do you know what the clearance rate is for
 > ibuprofen?  I'd like to know how long I have to wait after
 > taking 200 mgs before I can take the codeine.

What type of pain are you treating?  Generally you do not have to
wait, you can safely take NSAID'S together with narcotic pain
releivers.

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