From: miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa Mihailovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:44:59 EST
Organization: Proteus Communications, Washington D.C. * node 1

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

> In article <9wm5TB2w165w@proteus1.UUCP> miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa Mihailovic
> >assumption. The fact, however is that the Bosnian Serbs voted for their
> >own state and as far as I am informed they almost all voted for it.
> 
> The Serbian representatives conveniently boycotted the refendum vote on
> behalf of all Serbs.  This is significant to note, since we all know
> how difficult it is to be "disloyal" in the Balkans.  There was a
> reason that that the Serbian reps in Bosnia-Hercegovina didn't just let
> "their people" vote.

 Oh, I see - so "the Serbian leaders didn't let their people vote" and can
I ask you how did they manage to do that? Hehehe, Joe what are you talking
about?  If  there  was a miligram of truth in what you are speaking about,
how  can  anyone  take  control  over so many people? Face the facts, they
didn't  vote for the B&H because they wanted their own state so they voted
for it.  See a parallel with Croatia - why did Croatia seceede from former
Yugoslavia?   As  I  recall,  they  were  overvoted...  The  same was with
Slovenia and  with Bosnia&Herzegovina. And just how does all of that apply
on  Bosnian Serbs? Are you trying to tell me that they don't have the same
right  as  Bosnian  muslims, Croats and Slovenes do? That would be a great
confession of racism.

> >defense  worked.  Telling  that  Bosnian  muslims  are unarmed is also
> >ridiculous because they were the part of that same territorial defense.
> >Keep  in mind that YNA has built significant part of Bosnia-Herzegovina,
> >mainly parts where muslims live. What about that?
> 
> Absurd.  But, thank you for totally exposing yourself.  Just to
> confirm, please answer this question yes/no: "the JNA left roughly
> equal amounts of weaponry to all parites in Bosnia-Hercegovina".  
> Please just answer the question.

  Exposing myself? Meaning what?

  Joe, did you serve in army? Have you been in territorial defense? If so,
you should know that territorial defense was armed and it was consisted of
the LOCAL people, so there was no fact of nationality included. All of the
arms  left in B&H were  territorial defense arms, because YPA, didn't have
the right to take it, and what would they achiweve trying to take  weapons
from  either  of  sides?  So  YPA  didn't  leave  the weapons to anyone in
particular,  it  has  left the weapons to territorial defense, which would
probably  become  the Bosnian army if there were no national and religious
disputes which teared it to Green Beretas, Serbian Territorial Defense and
CDC (Croatian  Defence  Council - HVO) and others. You have also forgotten
to mention that Bosnian Serbs did a number of sucessfull attacks on muslim
- held arms and weapons storages, which were owned by territorial defense,
too.

> >>The whole world saw clips made by western reporters. If you don't
> >>want to admit, that your problem. It reminds me of some nazi
> >>guys who claim holocaust of Jews did not exist.
> 
> You remind me of this type of character as well.

  Can  I ask you why did you erase my response to this from above? Is it
an attempt to disqualify me in discussion  by  ettiqueting me or was the
response just too touchy, for you to quote it? I clearly answered to the
above, and if you didn't notice it, I'll quote it for you, to make your
life easier:

My response was:

"      Clips  of  what?  Detention camps in Serbia? Where?  What are you
"talking  about?? The whole world was informed that the alleged camps in
"Serbia don't exist. Western agencies, even CIA also reported that there
"are  no  Serb-held  death-camps.
"They did  it shyly as it is always the case in this propaganda war, but
"they  did   it.  Do  you  know  how many accusations from Izetbegovic's
"government are being produced daily. UNHCR, UNPROFOR, S. Vance, D. Owen
"and  number  of  various organizations cruised through Serbia searching
"for  camps  and  they  have found nothing. So, once again, what are you
"talking about, who is feeding you with those lies?

  I know from your other postings that you are used to different type of
"discussion",  namely  provoking  and insulting. I hope that this appeal
won't find the closed door: please, just try to act maturely, and try to
behave  in  civilized  manner.  If you have nothing better to say and to
back   your  claims, standings or whatever (in  this  case insults) with
something concrete, better keep silent if you want the people to respect
your opinions and personality.

> >     Well, I didn't say that it will be Serbia, but it should be divided
> >in  ethnic  cantons,  I  simply don't see any better solution which will
> >bring peace. Fragile, but still a peace.
> 
> But how does one divide by ethnicity a country that is so ethnically
> mixed???

  Not anymore, and before the war, they wer mixed only in big towns. As
I understood, UN and EC officials there are clear borders, now.
  Do  you really think that people who killed each-others can ever live
together? If the Bosnian Serbs do not want to live with Bosnian muslims
and  that  is  what  they say, what then? If there is no cantonization,
only  answer  is  war. How are you going to force Bosnian Serbs to live
with Bosnian muslims? Militarily? - Who is going to take responsibility
for  such  a genocide  over one complete nation? With sanctions towards
Serbia? - You should learn by now, that Bosnian Serbs are on their own,
and  that  Serbia  doesen't  have any influence on them, that's why the
sanctions didn't bring anything but suffer to the Serbian civilians and
won't do any good in the future. So, what's left?

-- miha