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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: HELP! My dog is marking the whole house!!!
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:02:23 GMT

My Cairn terrier is turning two this month. He was paper-trained when
he was three months old.  We had to paper-train him because we are out
10 hours a day, and had to keep him in the basement (with my bouvier).

He used to be well behaved, until he started to lift leg a few months
ago. We started to find wet spots at a couple corners in the house, but we
never caught him in action. The way we have been dealing with the situation
is to take him to the spot, force him to smell it, and yell at him loudly
while tapping his lower jaw. After that, we put him into the crate (in the 
basement) for 2 hours. He would behave for a week or so, before do it again.

Things are taking a dramatic down turn in the past few days. Last Friday,
we found him peeing on our BED! We were quite upset. But we were more 
busy cleaning the spot than scolding him. So he was still running loose.

Just when we were washing the comforter and sheets, he struck again: peed on
the mattress and pooed on carpet! This sounds like a comic script, but
we could not laugh. We locked him up for the whole night.

On Saturday, he peed at a corner again. Given the vivid memory the day before,
we yelled at him twice the regular volume, and comdemned to twice the regular
crate time.

On Sunday, we found a wet spot in our bedroom carpet......
We then realized that  we were losing the war. 

These instances have caused a lot of stress to us and to the dog. I am
pretty sure he should know the house rules because he used to be well
behaved before starting lifting leg.  I am guessing that it might be
related to his sex maturity that drove him to mark places, even in the
forbidden areas.

I am seriously considering to neuter him. Will it fix the crisis? Any other 
methods that I can try? 

Please advise, I am desperate.

Jason Chen
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:36:47 GMT

In article <2B5200AC.8640@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
= In <C0pJ7n.1Kw0@austin.ibm.com> repass@austin.ibm.com (Jim Repass) writes:
= 
= >Now back to my point. Is displaysia in Retrievers rare? Or is it a problem
= >that won't let them function? Different breeds apparently handle Displaysia
= >(and guarantees) differently.
= 
= No, it is not, unfortunately.  It seems to be apparent in almost any
= breed over 50lbs.  There are some exceptions, but I can't think of them
= off the top of my head.

Cindy,

Do you recall where that "50 lb" figure comes from?  I keep seeing
it but can't recall.  Considering the high incidence in the OFA
listing, many of the breeds being no where near fifty pounds, I
wonder if that's one of those statistics that has been kicked round
so much that it is taken for fact.  Brittanies are normally no
where near 50 lbs and the incidence is to high to suit me.
I suppose that the clinical symptoms are apt to be more severe in
big dogs because the hips have more to support but looking over the
incidence list in the OFA booklet shows many breeds whose normal
weight is well under 50 pounds.

Just curious if this number is ubran legend (is that the term?)


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppies Born!
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:20:47 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <19472@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca writes:

> I just got a call from the breeder, my future Schnauzer baby was born on
> Friday! Four boys and three girls, all 11.5oz! I get to see them in four
> weeks...this is gonna be the longest 9 weeks in history :)

Congrats!  What are you getting, male or female?


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Strange puppy behavior
Keywords: rubbing face on floor
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:16:07 GMT


I have a 4 month old male Pekingese puppy that has this strange habit of
rubbing his face on the kitchen floor (tiled).  Sometimes he gets squeek
out of it, if he does it just right.  He makes funny noises, too.  Does
anyone know why he does this?  Is this a habit that I will just have to
live with?  Not that I could train him not to!  -he's got a very proud,
dominating personality.  He gets pissed if you discipline him.  He barks
at me (or whomever is doing the disciplining) or he will stay away from
me, turning his head away if I try to talk to him.  My sister spanked him
and chewed him out for peeing on the carpet, and he refused to have
anything to do with her for the rest of the day.  He is being very hard
to house train.  He does not care for rain, and will not go outside
(willingly) to do his business if it has dared rain within the last
24 hours.

Margaret (whose pets condescendingly allow her to live with them)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Speaking of breeding...
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:47:46 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <2B4CC16D.2009@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu writes:

> You asked for it!  I'll try...

<good explanation of black, chocolate, yellow genes in labs & puppy colors>

> 
> --Cindy

Thanks!  This was very informative.
-rg

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Question regarding cost of registering a litter
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:16:40 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1993Jan5.135448.4103@cas.org> <1993Jan7.205555.15836@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan7.205555.15836@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
writes:
>Just out of curiousity, how about the new limited registration? Have any
>of you breeders used it? If so, have you had problems placing puppies?

Jane: I used the limited registration option with the last two litters (ie,
over the last 3 years), and had no problem selling pupies. In fact, some
people preferred the LRO to my standard spay/neuter contract (AKC registration
certificate withheld until proof that dog has been altered is provided to me).
As currently defined, the LRO is a hassle and additional expense for the
breeder, so many are not using it (unfortunately). But most of my friends are
using it, & I will continue to do so. Female puppies that are sold as 
show potential
are always co-owned by me, unless the buyer is a well-known, responsible Newf
breeder. Male show prospects are usually not co-owned (but if I ever have a
problem with a puppy buyer irresponsibly using his dog at stud, I'll probably
require a co-ownership!)

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs

-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Question about breed?
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:47:15 GMT

jms@queenb.unh.edu (Judi M. Strauss) writes:

>Hi all-

>Could someone out there identify a breed for me (I hope) - there
>is a small dog that is currently in a dentene (sp?) gum commercial -
>it's the one where the guy is talking in his dog's face but he has
>bad breath so the dog fetches him a pack of gum rather than his
>ball - the dog is mostly white, small, very short legs.  *I think*
>it is the same kind of dog that starred in Ernest Scared Stupid -
>maybe even the same dog - can someone tell me what kind of dog
>this is?

>Judi

It looks a lot like a Jack Russell Terrier.  One of my neighbors
has two of them.  Cute little dickens'!  Attacked my dog once.  Raven
is a *big* dog (Lab/Shepherd mix, 70 lbs).  The JRT owner apologized
and in reply to my comment "Don't they realize how little they are?"
she said "No.  That's how a lot of them lose their little lives!":-)

Shari Bernhard
Raven's Mom
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:17:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Electronic collar info needed
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

An excellent book to help you understand such things is "Don't Shoot the Dog"
by Karen Pryer.


Diane

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: FAQ for Brittany's - does one exist?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:02:26 GMT

In article <C0Dwq4.Fvn@hsi.com> geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste) writes:
= Does anyone know of a FAQ for Brittany's?  
= 
= I tried /pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/brittany and it doesn't exist.

I guess this one's directed to me.  I promised to do one but
haven't finished it yet.  I'll try to get back to it and get some
work done on it.

Meantime, if you have specific questions, please e-mail me.  I'll
try to answer your questions or suggest where you can find answers
and the questions will help me decide what should go into the FAQ.

Sorry to by so slow getting it done.

For references, you may want to find a copy of Maxwell Riddle's
_The Complete Brittany Spaniel_ (the original edition) or his _The
New Complete Brittany_ (the new edition).  Also, the American
Brittany Club had _The Book of the American Brittany_ by Bissell
for $10 from

			The American Brittany Club
			2036 N. 48th Avenue
			Omaha, NE  68104

This one's significantly more from other sources, including, I
believe RCSteele who have great book prices as a rule.

Well, I apologize one again for letting work get in the way of the
FAQ.  I'll try to get it out "real soon now."  :)




-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:06:58 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <2B4C7146.29595@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
|> In <16B4F7CAA.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <2B4BAA64.21342@ics.uci.edu>
|> >   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Hm, neither labs nor goldens are suitable protective dogs.
|> >>Perhaps the police are just thinking that a large dog in general will
|> >>deter a thief.  But they are *NOT* good protective dogs...
|> >>as especially illustrated by the following description:
|> >
|> >Cindy and I have disagreed on this in the past, and we will continue to
|> >disagree.  While it's true that both Goldens and Labs as a rule are
|> >very friendly, good natured dogs, most of them will still tend to be
|> >fairly protective of their turf.
|> 
|> Yes, we do disagree.  You described your dogs actions -- actions that
|> I have not observed in the Labradors that I know.  There *is*
|> considerable individual variation in any breed, and I have no doubt
|> that you could find a Labrador that would make a great Schutzhund dog.
|> This does not mean, however, that any Labrador at random will make a
|> good protection dog.  If a protective dog is what you want, the odds
|> of getting one are much better if you pick out a Doberman or a
|> Rottweiler, for example.
|> 
|> I would not say "most."  I would say "some can be."
|> 
|> --Cindy
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> Cindy Tittle Moore
|> 
|> Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)
|> 
|> The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
|> pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
|> is a mail server, email me for details.
|> 
|> In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...


My male Golden was raised around an older Rott, so he picked up some of the 
Rotts behavior. He is even protective from the barking point even when I board
him at the kennel I got him. Over all though he is a big hearted kinda guy
and will probably not bite unless severely provoked. 

Actually a biting dog IS NOT GOOD protection either. My uncle who trained 
police dogs, showed me how to disable a dog of any size and aggressiveness
in about 2 seconds. I prefer my dogs bark and I will take care of whatever
is going on so no harm comes to my animals.


-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: johnson@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Renee Johnson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:33:59 GMT
Subject: Tick Removal Made Easy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs


   Just wanted to share this with you.....

   Recently, I went hiking with my fury friends up around 
   Oregon, and as luck would have it my dogs became the hosts
   to some ticks.  Well to make a long story short, I don't
   live an area where ticks are a problem so this was my 
   first experience with those critters, soooo I read my 
   home "vet" manual to find out how to remove the darn 
   things.  The manual instructed me to apply alcohol, or 
   acetone to the tick and firmly pull it out.  Well, my 
   dog had the tick embeded right above his eye, so it took 
   me several hours to get him to sit still as I pulled on 
   this thing.  After a couple hours I decided to let my 
   vet do the dirty work removing the other ticks.

   So I ended up at the vets office only to find out 
   the easiest method in the world for removing ticks...
   all you do is gently rub in a circular motion the 
   "butt" of the tick and in ~30-60 seconds and those 
   little critters back right out!  Can you believe it!
   I witness this and it does work!

   S.Johnson
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: susan@uvmark.uucp (Susan Todhunter - (JWT))
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog--when first dog is older
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:55:23 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.


We have also thought about getting a second dog to keep our first (and our-
selves!) company.

Our golden, Rusty, is eight, and while we wonder if he'd like a playmate, we
also wonder how he'd feel toward an interloper in HIS house.

Any experiences with getting a second dog, when the first is older, spoiled,
and better socialized toward people than he is toward other dogs?

(The kind of dog we are thinking of adding to our family would be a rescue
golden, around Rusty's age.)

Thanks in advance for your experiences/opinions.

-- 

  Susan Todhunter
 
  Internet: uvmark!susan@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk!uvmark!susan
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sgoodman@shearson.com (Stacey Goodman)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Reply-To: sgoodman@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:36:08 GMT

Hi -

I have two male labrador retrievers and they get along great !  

I think two dogs is great, but make sure they bond with you as well as each other.

Furthermore, everyone has given me different advice about having two dogs of the same sex.  It really depends on several things such as the breed of the dogs and the dogs themselves.  I have two unneutered males and so far so good.  They are still young, but i haven't seen any signs of having any problems.  In fact, they hate to be apart.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:02:52 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

I join Valaria in wishing to read your discussion on the proposed revisions to
the Labrador Retriever standard. I'm always interested in learning someting
new about dogs!

Marget Johnson

-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: A good book!
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:22:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.172853.14826@inel.gov>, kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L
Cook) writes:

|>A long this same line, I read a book when I was about 8yo that I believe
|>was called "CH Dog, Prince Tom".  It was about a Man named Tom who trains
|>his Cocker (I think) who is named Prince Tom in obedience and field work.
|>P. Tom goes on to win all sorts of OB and Field titles. Seems like it was
|>loosely based on fact.  Has anyone ever read this book?
|>
|>Kayti

YES! I own it! I found it at a used bookstore and since one of our monster
mutts is a Cocker Spaniel I read it as soon as I got home (not long of a read
when you're 22!). It's a great book and yes, it's supposedly the true story
of a blonde Cocker named Prince Tom! In my book they have a black and
white photo of the real Prince Tom with all his trophies. It's certainly
motivating! Sure made me look at Baeki (our Cocker) in a different 
light....:) I'd recommend it to anyone looking for a good read that won't 
take too long (or for Children too!)...

Kay & Crew

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste)
Subject: FAQ for Brittany's - does one exist?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:10:52 GMT

Does anyone know of a FAQ for Brittany's?  

I tried /pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/brittany and it doesn't exist.

Thanks

-- 
 Doug Geiste                           ||   "We are all faced with a series
 3M Health Information Systems         ||    of great opportunities brilliantly
 ...!uunet!his!geiste                  ||    disguised as impossible situations"
 geiste@hsi.com                        ||
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Barfing in the Morning
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:45:50 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Phil Geller writes:
> My 6 year old dobie has been having some problems first thing
> in the morning.  She goes out, nibbles on some greens, and
> upchucks.  After that she is fine.  This doesn't happen
> every day, but often enough to make me wonder (about 4 times
> during the last month).  I'd call it morning sickness, but
> she has been spayed.  Any ideas?  We remember our vet telling
> us something about stomach problems in larger dogs, so we
> avoid feeding her right after exercise.  We always wait 20 minutes.
> Does this sound like a problem, or is she just being a dog?


My dobie will often barf if his stomach gets too empty. If your dog is
barfing yellow liquid (plus whatever grass she's eaten) it is probably the
same problem. Give her a handful of dog kibble or a couple cookies first
thing in the morning. More important regarding feeding and exercising is that
it is important that you don't exercise your dog on a full stomach. I think
the problem your vet was refering to is bloat, in which gasses get trapped in
the stomach. Even worse is torsion, in which the stomach actually twists.
Both can be fatal in a very short time and both have been associated with
exercising too soon after eating a meal. I wait two to three hours before
exercising my dobie, I also split his meals into two per day. Some people
also believe that a dog should not eat too soon after strenuous exercise, so
waiting 20 minutes before you feed her a meal may be worth continuing, but a
small amount of food as a snack first thing in the morning should settle her
stomach without making her more likely to bloat.
--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *   ********************************************
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca   *For YEARS I wondered what ceiling wax was.*
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: lab list??
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:39:28 GMT

In <1993Jan4.213650.10445@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <57uN02ue30xf01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
>(Brian W Simmons) writes:

>>A month or so ago Marla Belzowski mentioned there might be a herding
>>mailing list.  Marla, I to email but it bounced consistently.  (I
>>used this address, BTW: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu)

It should work now (it was closed down during the summer).  But you
actually want to contact Terri Hardwick at herders-request@mcnc.org
for info on joining this group.

[Simmons mentions the goldens list]
>And is there such a thing as a Labrador retriever list?? If so,
>please e-mail me info.

There is no public mailing list for labradors like there is for
goldens.  But it is pretty easy to set up a listserv address for
anything you want.  (By the way, to subscribe to the golden list, send
a message to listserv@hobbes.ucsd.edu with the phrase "subscribe
golden firstname lastname" in the message body where <firstname
lastname> is your own name.)

I believe there is one for shelties -- contact kng@pt.com for
information.  If anyone knows of any other specialty (canine of course
;-) mailing lists not covered somewhere in this post, let me know and
I'll put them in the introduction section of the FAQ with the others
already listed.

>Also, I recall hearing something once about a list called CANINE-L -
>does anyone know anything about it (and if such a thing exists, is it
>worth joining?)

Subscription is to
listserv@pccvm.bitnet with
subscribe canine-l <your name>
in the body of the message.
I would be interested in any comments on this list.  I have
heard that it is not particularly active (haven't tried
joining it & checking it myself, lazy I suppose...).

There is also an obedience list, which is dedicated to those
training their dogs for formal obedience trials (largely
AKC, but CKC, mixed breeds, and UK's KC are also represented).
You can send your requests to obedreq@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu.

There is a veterinary list, but it is restricted to veterinary
students or vets.

Cheers!
--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
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