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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: German Video in US
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:54:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.145421.26063
Organization: Netcom

Brad Holt (Holt@cheme.washington.edu) wrote:

 #    I have a friend who wants to be able to play German made 
 # video tapes here in the US. (...)  

robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson) writes: 

 $ 	There are a couple of options:
 $
 $ 	1) Buy a machine that can playback PAL on NTSC TVs. These machines
 $ are available from Sharp, AIWA, and PANASONIC. They range in price from
 $ $400 (AIWA) to $2000 for PANASONIC AG-W1. You can shop around for discounts.

 $ 	2) Have the tapes converted to NTSC. Aprroximately $25 for 2 hour
 $ tapes, plus appropriate taxes.	     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Untrue. The price for video conversion services varies widely. So does the
conversion quality, which doesn't necessarily have any correlation with the
price. That is, paying a higher price doesn't necessarily get you a decent
conversion, and paying a lower price doesn't preclude it.

   I recommend that people wanting to get a few tapes converted first shop
around their Yellow Pages under "video" and call around getting price/time/
quality (etc) estimates. Different places charge by different criteria as
well; some charge a fixed fee per minute, some go by the hour or arbitrary
numbers of hours, some go by number of tapes. Some use their own tapes as
an added excuse for markup, some charge more for converting to SP than EP etc.
[ Couldn't figure that one out ]. Which is best for you depends on what you
are converting and what your preferences are. I recommend against "bad"
conversions though; I'm the kind of person that never notices these things,
but I noticed that. The copy quality of the tape was excellent, sharp outlines,
bright colors and crisp sound, but the way the shapes and sounds shifted had
something really disconcerting about it. I don't know how to describe it,
but it was very noticeable and I missed a lot of dialogue before I got a
better conversion.

<paragraph adjusted to fit in 80-char width>

 $ 	As to which option to recommend depends upon your friend's
 $ money supply and the number of tapes they wish to watch. If they will
 $ be watching many tapes buying a machine might be the way to go. Some
 $ of the machines have tuners in them and can act as regular VCRs. The
 $ AG-W1 does not. It is a prosumer system convert. If your friend has
 $ only a couple of tapes they might want to consider having them
 $ converted. There are several companies who advertise in video
 $ magazines (eg Videomaker) that offer this service.  My wife runs such
 $ a business. She can be reched at:

  <Shameless sales pitch deleted>.

  Congratulations on giving some actual information along with the pitch
for a change.

  Don't you ever stop advertising? In one night, I see THREE separate posts
desperately trying to drum up business.  Rec.video does NOT exist for you to
make money off it. This type of advertising is striclty against the purpose
of the newsgroup, so cut it out.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson)
Subject: Re: What tape do we have here?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:29:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Terry Quinn (tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
:  
: In any event, when they returned and tried to play it in their 
: regular 8mm camcorder, they couldn't view it.  So they mailed it 
: to me, and I tried it in my Hi8 camcorder.  On play back, it was 
: just a jumbled mess, with no real picture, just erratic flashes 
: and lines.  If I pressed fast forward during playback, there was 
: enough change in the broken up image that I suspect I was looking 
: at scene changes, but nothing really discernable.
:  
	Did you here any audio?

: As you gather from above, I suspect that the tape was shot in a 
: non-NTSC format of some type.  So here are my questions:
:  
: 1a.  Am I correct that it was likely shot in the wrong format?  
	Yes or a badly aligned 8mm camcorder.

: 1b.  If so, any ideas how to tell what format it was shot in? 
:  
	Probably PAL. I've never seen a SECAM 8mm system, but I guess
they exist in France.
: 2.  If the answer to 1a is yes, what is the prognosis.  Can the 
: scenes be transfered to NTSC or is my brother out of luck?  If 
: they can be transfered, any idea how to do it.  Are there services 
: that would make the transfer?  They would be willing to pay a 
: "reasonable" amount to make the conversion, whatever that means.
:  
	My wife runs such a service. She transfers video to/from 
PAL to NTSC or SECAM. The current cost is $25 for 2 hours, $15 for 1 hour.
This includes transfer, tape and return shipping and handling in a 
24 hour timeframe. Tax is extra for CA residents. So if the tape is
in 8mm PAL she can transfer it to either 8mm NTSC or VHS NTSC for you.
If you can here sound and it's a bit speeded up, the chances are it is a
PAL tape.

	If you would like to send the tape for us to look at the
address is:

	RVT
	1911 Douglas Boulevard #85
	Roseville
	CA 95661

	(916) 773 - 3705.

	If it is in PAL we can transfer it. Other sources are ads in
Videomaker magazine. Not all offer 8mm work so make sure you check.

Hope this helps,

Dave Robinson

: Thanks in advance for the help.  Feel free to respond by either 
: post or email. 
: 
: --
:                                     Terry Quinn
:                                      Germantown Hills, IL
:                                       tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
: from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: gary@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Gary Mr.VAX Buchholz)
Subject: What's with these "below cost" Camcorders via NewYork mailorder?
Reply-To: gary@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:37:55 GMT

Ok, I'm new to this newsgroup -- maybe you've beat this to death...

Looking through "Camcorder" magazine.... what's with these guys in
New York selling camcorders below cost.

Here's the diversity of opinion I've gathered

	-they are re-boxed return merchandise
	
	-they are gray-market camcorders obtained via non-authorized
         dealers/routes/sources

	-they don't include an american warranty

	-they are stripped of standard manufacturer accessories.

For example, a Sony FX510 is going for $688.  This is $200 less than 
what one can pick this up in any of the electronic "Superstores" in
Chicago.

Whats the scoop ?

Gary
-- 
Gary Buchholz / KE9ZM			Internet: gary@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago			Packet:   KE9ZM@N9HSI.IL.USA.NA
Academic and Public Computing		
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: arora@sje.mentorg.com (Arora Amitabh @ PCB x3080)
Subject: PC as a video Edit controller
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:01:28 GMT
Reply-To: arora@sje.mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics Inc.
Keywords: pc editor
Followup-To: 

Does anyone know if there is a way to use IBM PC desktop or a laptop
as a video assemble editor ?  I just do not want to pay for the limited
and specialized hardware in the stans alone editors.

Thanks

-Amitabh Arora
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: cchang@cs.ulowell.edu (Heywood Chang)
Subject: Want to own yu[Dour personal laser videodisc?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:38:17 GMT

Certified laser disc recording center offers:
Single-sided consumer grade RLV Videodiscs (CLV only, no play action encoding
and allow 4 - 6 week turn-around, one disc for only $129.00.  or single sided
CAV or CLV 3day turn around service for only $275.00.  Please contact:

	Steve Lozen or Heywood at the Laser Disc Recording Center
	1-800-800-9864
	617-354-7628

We take one inch, D-2, 3/4 inch, VHS, Hi-8, slides, photos and so forth as
source format.
 
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: How do you degauss a TV set?
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:19:54 GMT

In article <1jtf38INNo2l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fields) writes:
>
>I moved a rather large speaker by my TV set, then when I moved
>it away I noticed that the colors on the bottom fifth of the screen
>were distorted (purple/green).  Did I just completely ruin my TV?
>
>I know that more expensive Mitsubishi's have a degauss button.  This
>is a Mitsubishi, but has no button.  Help me please.
>

I've "de-goosed" monitors with a Weller 260 watt soldering gun.
Just hold the element away from the screen.

A bulk tape eraser should work but may be too strong, putting
alignment magnets at risk.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: FISHER HI-FI VCR
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:00:02 GMT

>the store's bottom line, not protect you.  I've read that Circuit City got 50%
>of their profit  from these extended warrantees.

I've read that in 1991 extended "service plans" were the only thing keeping
Best Buy in the black.

I went into a Circuit City once:

me:		"I'm looking for blank SVHS tapes"
droid:		"Over there" (points to a rack of Certron-quality VHS tapes)
me:		"No, *S*VHS"
droid:		(confused, disappears for five minutes and comes back saying
		 that they don't have any)


The only other time I went back was when I wanted one of those CD-player-in-
the-cassette-well klludges, and the Sony service center was out.

-- 

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From: pirrung@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (G. Pirrung)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Jerry Samuels, er, I mean Carroll :-)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:15:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


panix!schuster@nyu.edu  (Michael Schuster) writes:

(MS)>>Gee ... all these years us New yorkers have known the commercials were
(MS)>>done by WPIX disc jokey Jerry Carroll!

Well, us non-newyawkers thank you for the update. The question now
is:

If it wasn't Jerry Samuels doing the Crazzzzzy Eddie spots, which one
did NAPOLEON XIV, Samuels or Carroll?????

Inquiring minds WANT to KNOW !!!!!!!    :-)   :-)    :-)
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: SVHS
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:37:41 GMT

In article <1k138lINNlr@SPARKY.CF.CS.YALE.EDU> long-morrow@cs.yale.edu (H Morrow Long) writes:

   Starship Industries    1-703-430-8692  605 Utterback Store Road
			  1-703-450-5780  Great Falls, Va. USA 22066	

	   $4.75 for a SVHS T120 - their own 'generic' high quality
				   brand made by a US manufacturer

	   [credit: chipg@access.digex.com (Chip Gallo) &
		    bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) 		]


	   Disclaimer: I haven't tried the Starship generic SVHS tapes.
		       Has anyone and what can they report?

I bought 4 tapes, 2 120s and 2 144s (they claim that the spool on the
cartridge is large enough to hold 144 minutes of 120 minute tape
stock). Having heard from a co-worker that VHS tapes are acceptable in
SP SVHS mode, I recorded some material in EP. Result? About standard
SP VHS quality to my eyes--which is what EP on a TDK-XP Pro T-120
looks like to me.  Verdict: probably some sort of real SVHS tape stock
but I don't have the necessary equipment to confirm that.

I would love if someone with the right instruments (or experience, my
eyes have not been in this business for long) would give them a spin.
The price is very attractive as is the 144 minute length.

Thanks.

boris
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: lauusitalo@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: VCR Plus+ PlusCodes:  3 of 3
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:15:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.155806.18957@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu>, peterli@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Peter Li) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.133442.2362@fuug.fi> an7689@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>   ...deleted...
>>C Input
>    ^^^^^
> What !?!?! Lower Case !?!?! To what level has Fortran sank to ? :-)
> 
> Peter Li

That's a comment and I think Fortran is well suited to this kind of high-
level mathematical problems?!?

Lauri
From: tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony W H Lai)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: North American HDTV
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:52:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1993Jan25.140230.14277@bpdsun1.uucp> rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley) writes:
>In article <3kyTXB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>>Is there any news about HDTV in North America yet?
>>
>
>No.  The ATTC center (testing for the FCC) is still doing field tests
>on the six standards still in consideration.  Five of them are digital,
>the analog standard is the "narrow" version of MUSE from NHK.
[stuff deleted]

Huh?  I thought only five standards were being tested.
From: lippo@madre.dasd.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: re: TR-101 & Mail Order Help?? followup
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:04:02 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Inc. DASD
Nntp-Posting-User: lippo

I have found three places that say they will sell me the Sony TR-101.

United - ~$1240
Manhattan - ~$1098 + $49
Sunshine Video & Computers - ~ $1300

Manhattan says they are not a Sony dealer so they can ship it.
Sunshine says they are selling it from their retail outlet so they get
around the rule.

Also I have been told that the Richo and other Sony-TR101 lookalikes have
been discontinued at the end of Summer '92.

*** Has anyone had any experience with the above mail order houses?? ***

They all claimed USA Sony warrenty and all manufacture accessorys.  They all
said it was not gray market, and they would ship overnight.

I can buy it locally for $1518 + tax, but would rather save some money if I
can.

Thanks
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: SONY Vdeck Vs. EV-S3000
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:41:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Jeff Killeen writes . . .
 
> In article <1993Jan18.192707.25532@steam.rome.ny.us>, strike@steam.rome.ny.us (Tim (Strikemaster) Bowser) writes:
> > Since E-mail is being ignored, I'd like to request from the Net-at-large
> > some opinions of the Vdeck vs. Sony's EV-S3000 Hi-8 editing deck.
> 
> Sony has 3 consumer Hi8mm decks now...
> 
>         EV-S2000 - NO PCM, LANC, No pre-roll on Synchro Edit, TV tuner, No RC
>         EV-S3000 - PCM, LANC, Pre-roll on Synshro Edit, TV tuner, No RC
>         CVD-1000 - PCM, VISCA, Pre-roll N/A, No TV tuner, RC
> 
> The EV-S3000 has a 16 line TBC.
> 
> Street prices should be about $900, $1400, $1300.
 
 
Camera World of Oregon has EVS-3000 for $1259 plus shipping.
 
 
Then Bruce Johnson says . . . 
 
> I am checking into buying the Sony evs3000 deck and have heard salespeople
> use the catch phrase SYNCHRO-EDIT.  When I ask them what it is and what it
> can do they always stumble and can't really answer...
> 
> SO, I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me what synchro-edit is
> and what it can do for me.  I use a TR-81 cam, does this have synchro-edit?
> Do both units need synchro-edit to use it,...
 
And Jeff replies . . . 
 
> Most Sony VTR's these days have SYNCHRO-EDIT but none have anything as
> advanced as the EV-S3000.  The function of SYNCHRO-EDIT is to allow you to
> press one button and have your VTR RECORD and CamCorder PLAYBACK start at the
> same time for editing purposes.  However the 3000 does something special - it
> will send the LANC (Control-L) commands to your TR-81 to cause it to pre-roll.
> Pre-roll gains you accuracy since there is delay in the time it takes you
> CamCorder to start playback. 
 
I want to add that the Advanced Synchro-Edit is very accurate . . 
. my tests showed it to be +/- 3 frames max, and often was frame 
accurate.  However please note the following:  
 
The brochure on the EV-S3000 lists the following camcorders as 
being compatible with Advanced Syncho edit (March 1992 date on 
brochure): 
 
  V801, V701, F501, F401, F402, F301, F302, TR101, TR71, FX410, 
  FX510, and F77.
 
The TR81 is conspicuous by its absence.  It may have been added 
since, but be sure to check before you depend on this feature.
 
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: Yamaha E1000 vs Sony TA-E2000ESD
Keywords: Dolby prologic
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:55:08 GMT

In article <8420@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> gregr@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Gregory S Rogers) writes:
>
>    >All DSP settings (Pro-Logic, ambience, equalization, compression/
>    >expansion) are by-passed in the "Source Direct" mode.  As you state,
>    >analog signals still go through A/D->D/A, however.  (Don't ask me
>    >why Sony does it that way, though.)
>
>I believe that you are both incorrect.  In the bypass mode the analog signals
>go through the input level control then directly to the master volume control.
>They do NOT get converted through the A/D->D/A in this path as you suggest.
>This can be seen in the Sony block diagram on page 52 of the manual.  Its the
>line from the center tap of the input level control to the switch connected 
>to the top of the motorized ganged master volume control.  
>
>This topology can be simply demonstrated.  Play a CD, using the ANALOG output
>of the CD player into the (obviously) ANALOG input of the TA2000.  Now turn the
>volume control down to a fairly low level.  (I don't want to hurt your
>speakers.)  Now WITHOUT the bypass switch on, turn the input level control, NOT
>the VOLUME control, all the way to max. During louder portions of the CD the
>OVERload indicator on the TA2000 will light up and the sound will be awful.
>Clicks, pops, distortion etc as the A/D convertor is overloaded.  Now press
>the bypass switch and notice the sound is now fine.  The OVERload indicator
>will still light because the signal still goes to the A/D but since the
>signal from the TA2000 bypasses the A/D it sounds fine. The A/D and obviously
>D/A are bypassed by the switch.  This is the desired design topology. (When 
>using digital input signals the signals are routed through the D/A in the 
>bypass mode, which of course they must to get an analog output.)


I suggested this exact test several days ago, but I wasn't in a position
at the time to do the test myself.  Someone else did it and claimed to
hear obvious digital clipping from the A/D converter in source-direct
mode, so I assumed that proved that everything went through A/D and D/A

Today, I finaly got a chance to do it and I have to agree with your
assessment.  There was clear digital clipping with source-direct off when
the input level was at maximum, but no digital clipping when source-direct
was turned on -- which proves almost conclusively that analog sources do
*not* go through A/D and D/A conversion with source-direct on. 

I had looked at the block diagram previously, but I never was very good
at reading such things (I'm left-brained :-) ) and I couldn't tell
whether source-direct bypassed the A/D and D/A conversion steps just
from the diagram.

--
Steve Kanefsky

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: Re: Crazy Eddie actor's past life
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:28:43 GMT


thought the actor was Jerry CAROL (sp?)


Newsgroups: rec.video
From: chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou)
Subject: Re: More on VHS to S-VHS Tape Conversion
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:06:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.132314.26828@bnr.ca> Matt Stone writes:
>A while back I posted a item on melting a S-VHS detect hole with a soldering
>iron.  This will save you BIG bucks and the results are great!  The particular
>tape I used was Sony ESX HiFi.  It costs $CAN 5.00 at Price Club.  The best
>price I have found for S-VHS (T120) was $CAN 10.00 for Fuji.
>
>In case you are worried about blobs of plastic falling into the cassette and
>mucking it up; have no fear.  I took one apart and there is an internal baffle
>that will contain any blobs in a small, non-functional compartment.


The cassettes I tried (Maxell XL-Hifi 120) has that compartment
(as do most if not all cassettes) but it is NOT completely sealed!
If you put the cassette up against the light, you can see light
and the reel through the SVHS-detect hole.
Therefore plastic blobs could still fall into the tape.
Even if the plastic dust doesn't fall into the tape itself,
it could still fall into your VCR.  So... use a vacuum cleaner
just to make sure.

>TRY IT!
>
>Matt_Man

Pai
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: TFSTAM01@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: video amplifiers
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:01:34 GMT

>> 1. Anyone with a recommendation of video amplifiers?  Any expectation that
>>    this would resolve the problem?
>      But a Radio Shack unit will probably do fine (about $20).
 
Are we talking about RF amplifiers or straight video signal amplifiers?
I have an RF amplifier from Radio Shack that seems to work fine, however,
I just bought a video amplifier (straight video signal) from Radio Shack
which only has 6 db of amplification (for $20).  The result looks no better
than without it.  Does anyone know how/where I could find a video amplifier
with considerably more amplification?
Xref: sparky rec.video:16204 rec.video.production:2173
From: tominatr@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.production
Subject: INFO NEEDED ASAP: Panasonic NB-8320 VCR!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:26:47 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I need some info on the following Panasonic VCR:

Model NB-8320.

1) Is this an industrial VCR?
2) What format is it? (VHS, 3 1/2")
3) What year was it first produced?
4) Does it have a flying erase head?
5) What is it worth today?
6) Does it have VU meters?

      - Tom N.

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Jerry Samuels, er, I mean Carroll :-)
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:17:24 GMT

In article <9301251315.AA23347@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL> pirrung@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (G. Pirrung) writes:
>
>panix!schuster@nyu.edu  (Michael Schuster) writes:
>
>(MS)>>Gee ... all these years us New yorkers have known the commercials were
>(MS)>>done by WPIX disc jokey Jerry Carroll!
>
>Well, us non-newyawkers thank you for the update. The question now
>is:
>
>If it wasn't Jerry Samuels doing the Crazzzzzy Eddie spots, which one
>did NAPOLEON XIV, Samuels or Carroll?????

"They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha" was done by Jerry Samuels,
under the alias Napoleon XIV.


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