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From: slendt@unomaha.edu (Steven Lendt)
Subject: Re: Young macaw behavior
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:09:55 GMT

In article <94989@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90) writes:

>Can anyone tell me exactly what this sort of behavior means?

>Bird: Yellow-collar macaw, 4 months old.

>Behavior: Constant repetitive pathetic sounding little screetch (sometimes
>loud) accompanied by  a reflexive twitching of one or both wings.

>This went on for hours in spite of attempts to feed or play with the bird.
>He accepted the food, but went right on "crying". 

>He didn't want to play, but didn't want to be put down either. Just wanted 
>to sit perched on my hand, crying. 

>Does anyone know what this was all about? Do baby birds go on "crying jags"?

Yes most parrots do.  In the wild the baby that cries and gets the most 
noticed often gets most of the food.  In times when the nest is full and
local food supplies are low this determines who lives.

I know of one blue & gold that is over 20 years old and still likes
to be hand feed when she can get it.

Just make sure the little begger stays well fed and that it's correctly
passing all it's food.  If in doubt a visit to the local avian vet is
in order to make sure there is not a problem with the digestive system.

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From: Stephen.Ceideburg@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Stephen Ceideburg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birds and Planes
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:16:04 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA


NR(>From: nmr1248@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (NANCY RABEL (KC4IYD))
NR(>Date: 10 Dec 92 20:01:00 GMT
NR(>Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
NR(>Message-ID: <10DEC199216015694@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>
NR(>Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds

NR(>Can anyone who reply to this please post also to this board. I
NR(>didn't realize that you could take birds on a plane with you and I
NR(>would be interested in finding out more about this. I will be
NR(>flying from OH to FL for the Christmas holidays so my boyfriend
NR(>will be watching my cockatiel this time. However, next year I would
NR(>be interested in taking her with me to FL.

     Several years back I flew with a pet ferret. I bought a
 traveller cage from the airline that fit under the seat. The
 carrier was United and the carrier ran about 25 bucks if I
 remember correctly. You might ask the airline if they can provide
 a carrier for your bird.


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Request-Full Spectrum Lighting Info.
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:29:08 GMT

In article <1gdfs6INN92n@function.mps.ohio-state.edu>  
sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov) writes:

> 	Sometime within the past couple of months, there was
> a great discussion on this newsgroup regarding full-spectrum
> lighting set-ups for our indoor birdies.
> I have some questions:
> 
> 	1.  I seem to recall that the Vita-Lite Brand was
> discussed-is this the best brand to use?

The Vita-Lite is fine, certainly.  I picked up some of
the incandescent bulbs from the "Bird-Safe" people (out
in Arizona via UPS) and these seem to be fine - my Quaker
is perkier, and Ms. Tiel is exhibiting mating type 
behavior even coming off an illness.

> 	2.  How many hours per day is recommended for a female
> 'tiel?  Her cage is next to a window, however, Columbus Ohio
> gets little sun.  Officially there were 2 days of sun in 
> November, for example.  I was ecstatic last Wednesday when
> the sun was out-I forced several grad students to go outside,
> even though it was 30 degrees or so.  It was wonderful. 

According to the documentation with the bulbs, the UV component
of the sunlight doesn't make it through the glass anyway, though
the sunlight and the chance to look out the window does perk up
their birdy souls!

> 	Christine Sylanov	sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu
 
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From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Pigeon Bands
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:09:37 GMT


Well, I'm not familar with pigeon bands, but here's my best guess:

NPA = National Pigeon Association?
84 = year
RC = breeder's code or initials
113 = bird ID#

Aaron Moy
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu        		Was that the phone...
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-Fed Birds		or the bird???
Urbana, Illinois
(217) 328-1838
From: klm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Kathy L. McRae)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Cockatiel behaviour question
Summary: well, it just _might_ be...
Keywords: Cockatiel, rubbing
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:55:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6576
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <Bz8Ctt.vEz@austin.ibm.com> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
>
One of our male cockatiels began rubbing what presumably would be his crotch against the tree branch he was sitting on. Can one of the fellow netters enlighten me why? The bookstores do not have any books that mention this, and I'd like confirmation of wh
at the vet I call tomorrow will say.

      I've seen cockatiels and parakeets engage in this behavior.  I've also
been told of parrots doing it.   Best guess:  masterbating.

(you asked!)
klm
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From: mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Hertz
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:37:03 GMT

I had a vet tell me that Hartz products were the absolute worst on the 
market.  The few products I did get (mainly flea stuff) before talking to
vet were not worth the time, money, or effect to buy.  

If they can't (or won't) make a quality product they should get out of the
pet business.  Wow, what some people will do to make a buck.

Mary Ann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds

Hi,
    I am a new owner of a budgie ('parakeet' in USA?), and I will be
visiting my parents  over the Christmas break.  This will involve a
car trip of some 7 or 8 hours, and I am somewhat concerned about the
bird's health during this (it is quite an ordeal for me too ;).
    Would it be better if I arranged to leave the budgie with friends,
otherwise, what precautions should I take?

    Incidentally, my budgie will do somersaults around her perch when
excited.  Is this common?

    Hugh



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From: kevin@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Buddy's first word
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:06:03 -0600
Organization: Metro State U, Minneapolis MN

Well Buddy (Meyers Parrot) said his first word today.  He said "Cheep".  My
response and my girlfriends when he twitters and cheeps is to occasionally say
"cheep!" back at him. (yes we talk to him too.) Well today he said our version
of "cheep".  I don't really know how to feel about this.  :)
(*sigh*)

-- 

============================================================================
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	**Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
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They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook
From: SYSDMCKE@VM.UWP.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Lovebird info wanted.
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:51:25 GMT
Organization: UW-Parkside

Just a note :-)
  I have a Peach Faced Lovebird (Squeaki <Keeping w/the 90's>).  He is appr.
4 years old and I received him from my then girlfriend (now wife) because her
father kept it in a closed room all day.  Having not been able to train him
for the first 1 1/2 years he is not very tame.  He loves me but hates anyone
else.  Although he bites others, when he goes to bite me he just holds me in
place with his beak and starts licking !  He is fairly calm and collected,
loves to sleep until 10:00 am and no, he is not for sale !  He's a fierce
warrior on the ground and will attack everything that's bigger, which, of
course, is *everything* !  He also enjoys grooming me, which is not exactly
fun  (ME=HAIR, HE=GROOM, ME-HAIR=HIM HAPPY) for me.
  I do have a question,  whenever he is in his cage (60%) he hangs upside down?
Is this a common habit ?  It is really weird !  If I lay on the floor, he
turns right-side up but he really doesn't stay that way for very long.
  Toys, 1) ME  2) Me shaking keys  3) Cap'n Crunch Plastic Flying Ring
(indestructible so far)  4) Water and/or food dish cover (He does the bump and
grind with these)  5) The Brass Bell from Hell (clapper replaced 3 times)
and finally mirrors.  All mirrors !  Reflective windows, chrome, utensils,
monitor cover...
Well, sorry to spout all this on you but we all love our Birds !!!!
Sincerely,
Douglas M. McKeown
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From: rxb@vax  (Rachel Banko)
Subject: Full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: Full-spectrum lighting
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:34:59

If I use full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*, must the bulb be naked
to get its effects - i.e. no lamp shade or glass ceiling dish?

Are all full-spectrum incandescent bulbs alike? Bulbs sold at my local
health full store may not mention "for birds" but are cheaper than
mail-order bulbs from Bird-Safe.
From: Stephen.Ceideburg@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Stephen Ceideburg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Birdy Buddies
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:29:06 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA


     For John Berry... I answered your netmail, John, but I'm
 usnure if it's going to go out properly. If you don't get it, let
 me know here and I'll post it here.


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From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: BUDGIE BABYSITTERS?...
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:16:21 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Bird Owners:

In February, 1993, I will be leaving for a six-week
parrot-tracking expedition in Australia. I need someone
to watch my two English Budgies for THREE of those
weeks.

My birds require space, an area in which to fly, and
plenty of attention. They get this twice a day from
me --- in the morning and in the evening.

They are quite a handful, I will not beat around the
bush.

It would be acceptable to put them in an aviary or
flight with other birds.

Anyone have any ideas or know of someone who will be
willing to do this.

Cost is negotiable in that I am willing to probably
pay more than most other people would pay for this kind
of thing.

California's The Place You Oughta Be...

Cheers

DAVE
San Francisco
(415) 332-2344, Extension 2504

PS --- PLEASE REPLY WITH DIRECT EMAIL --- DON'T POST
       TO THIS LIST...
From: Karen.M.Crassi@dartmouth.edu (Karen M. Crassi)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: request for info on yellow-collared macaws
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:16:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I was in one of my favorite pet stores the other day and they happened
to have several birds on hand, one of which was labelled as a
Yellow-collared mini-macaw.  It had been hand-raised and was very tame
and extremely sweet.  While I was holding him he buried his head inside
my jacket and nearly went to sleep.  I fell in love, needless to say,
but at $1000 there's no way I could afford him.  In any event, I
wondered if someone out there who has one could tell me more about
them.  Are they all as tame if hand-raised and how do they get along
with other bird species?  I have a year-old 'tiel and if in the future
I happen to have a thousand bucks and nothing else to do with it (hah!)
would you recommend this particular macaw?

Thanks in advance for any info.

karen.crassi@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:56:21 GMT

In article <921217093459@priip> rxb@vax  (Rachel Banko) writes:
> If I use full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*, must the bulb be naked
> to get its effects - i.e. no lamp shade or glass ceiling dish?

Yes.

> Are all full-spectrum incandescent bulbs alike? Bulbs sold at my local
> health full store may not mention "for birds" but are cheaper than
> mail-order bulbs from Bird-Safe.

Can't really say on this one.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Subject: Re: 'My' article on the USA JAPAN conflict
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:41:41 GMT

Please note that the article on US JAPAN relations posted here (not by
me) is not mine.  (as erronneously stated). It belongs to
Louis Leclerc (lleclerc@nyx.cs.du.edu). Furthermore, the edition posted here
is quite old. There is a much better/expanded 2nd edition available
via ftp at monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, or by writing to me, I'll send it to you.
Via FTP: it is in directory pub/nihongo.

Thank you and sorry to disturb you.
Andre

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bud@megatek.com (Wayne Francis)
Subject: Re: Teaching a macaw to talk, lovebirds, & tiel behavior
Reply-To: bud@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:58:18 GMT

In article <Bz9DJ6.4rE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy) writes:
>3) Regarding Michael E's tiel crotch rubbing:
>	It is possible that the tiel rubs his crotch against the perch because
>	of a mite infestation.  However, I think that it's more likely that
>	he's just doing his hormonal duty.  During mating, the male will mount
>	the female and wiggle his posterior.  Females displaying mating 
>	behavior will crouch down, lean forward, and lift their tail up,

Why don't you just tell it like it is, he's wacking off!  :)
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Pigeon Bands
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <BzJFG2.FLD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy) writes:
>
>Well, I'm not familar with pigeon bands, but here's my best guess:
>
>NPA = National Pigeon Association?
>84 = year
>RC = breeder's code or initials
>113 = bird ID#
>

Pretty good guesses!  The bird is (or was?) most probably a racing pigeon.
Most bands I've heard of are issued by the American Racing Pigeon Union, and
usually have "AU" on them.  "NPA" may be an alternate society.  Birds that
are flying a race usually have a rubber (not plastic) band on the other
leg, put on specifically for that race.  If this was a permanent plastic
band, it could be the bird is not a homing pigeon, and I am clueless about
it.

I would encourage you to try to report these numbers.  Try a call to a local
audubon society, humane society or ornithology dept. at a university.
From: wdlee@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Owning Birds <> Lung Disease?
Keywords: lung disease, pet birds
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:20:09 GMT
Reply-To: wdlee@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david lee)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Hi all,
 My girlfiend cut an article out of the paper for me last week. The
article summarized the results of a study of pet owners and concluded that
bird owners face an increased risk of lung disease. These seem to be
statistical correlations and no certain 'cause and effect' relationships
were given. I would be happy to post the article (it is short) if y'all
are interested.

My question is this: Have you heard of such an increased risk of lung disease
for us bird lovers? Could you point me to similar articles?
I apologise if this is an FAQ (where may I FTP the FAQ?).

Best Regards,

David

PS: Please reply directly to: wdlee@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu



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From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Lovebirds
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:28:30 GMT


Regarding Greg Pasquariello's inquiry:

	If you are looking for a pet quality lovebird, then you should 
	definitely find one which has been hand-fed since before its eyes
	opened.  These babies will be sweeter, less likely to bite like wild
	caught or parent raised birds.  If you keep two in the same cage, you
	risk having them bond to one another, with loss in pet quality as a 
	probable result.  There's no great personality difference between the
	varieties, so choose the color type which appeals to you.  I personally
	like the various peachface mutations.

Aaron Moy
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                      Was that the phone...
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-Fed Birds               or the bird???
Urbana, Illinois
(217) 328-1838


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From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Birds and Cats
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:27 EST  

In article <92345.094052U30633@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U30633@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>The problem:  I have three cats.  Is there ANY way that I can have a
>bird in the house with three cats?  Does anyone here have cats as well
>as birds?  I got the impression from the people in the store that cats
>are generally not liked by people who own birds.  If I hang the cage in
>the middle of the room or something, will this make it impossible for the
>cats to get at the birds, or should I wait to move into a larger
>apartment (I am in a one bedroom) before I can even think of getting a
>bird?  I was thinking of looking for an apartment with some sort of "sun
>room" or porch where I can keep the door closed and the cats away.
> 
>I am a fervent animal lover, and would love to be in a situation where I
>had my cats, a bird, and possibly even a dog!
> 
>Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I have a cockatiel and a cat that get along just fine.  We've had the cat 
for years  and were a little worried when we bought the bird.  We keep the 
bird cage on one of those accent tables (one of those three legged things 
with the ruffled skirt).  There is no room for the cat on it and it is 
positioned in such a way that the cat cannot get on top of it either.  At 
first we kept the cat locked up for an hour or so each day so the bird 
could wander around a little.  Eventually we started letting the cat out 
for a short while before putting the bird back in.  I don't know if the 
cate for some reason doesn't know the bird is a bird (the bird is clipped 
and walks around the house rather than flying) or somehow understands that 
this bird is special and off limits.  The only real interaction between the 
two is that occassionally the cat will put his paw down on the birds tail 
so he can't move (or so he thinks!) and the bird responds by spreading a 
wing and slapping the cat with it.  Most of the time they ignore one 
another, to the point of sitting next to each other on the back of the 
couch and watching the wild birds at the feeder outside.

We recently added a puppy to the menagerie and so far so good.  We're 
keeping the bird out of reach of the dog (his favorite spot is my shoulder 
anyway) and teaching the dog that the bird is NO.  

Carol
From: roseman@hal.COM (Marc Roseman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Stop Hartz
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:47:29 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: quality.hal.com


My understanding is that 60 minutes actually aired a show featuring the
abuses practiced by Hartz employees a few years back.  They supposively
(I say this since I did not see the show myself) caught Hartz reps
telling small store owners they would be cut off if they stocked any other
brands of pet products.  They also has a scene where the hartz store rep
is setting up a display in a store which featured multiple products, in
which the hartz employee wrecked the display of a competitor after setting
up his display.

The next time that I visit the library or a store which has Hartz products,
I will try to find out the name of the parent corporation as well.
From: sday@bbn.com (Sherry Day)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Hertz
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:37:33 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kirin.bbn.com

I usually see Hertz products at grocery stores (Vons, Ralphs, etc).
I haven't bought a Hertz product in ages, and I will not buy from
them ever again.  Thanks for the address to Wal-Mart, and Humane
Society.  I will be writing them a letter.  The K-mart we have
doesn't sell any animals and I am pretty thankfull.  It makes me
so mad and sad thinking about how humans are treating these animals.
Makes me wonder who the "animal" really is.

Keeping an eye open,

Sherry

sday@kirin.bbn.com