From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: All-time Red Sox team
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:00:23 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1gba79INNhpv@fido.asd.sgi.com> coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.195508.23031@watson.ibm.com>, mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
>|> To sort of paper over the angst I've gotten from Lou Abbott's (I know, it's
>|> spelled "Gorman", but trust me, it's PRONOUNCED "Abbott") sabotage of the
>|> Sox in the last month, I've been giving some thought to happier days....

Mea culpa. Due to vapor lock of the brain, I mixed up Abbot and Costello.
The concept still stands, though. Lou Costello it is.

>|> It seems like there's a really good first team, but my bench is kind of
>|> weak. Who am I forgetting?
>|> 
>|> C   Carlton Fisk
>|> 	Elston Howard? (remember '67)
>
>	Sammy White

Looks like a better choice.

>|> 3B  Wade Boggs
>|> 	Butch Hobson?
>
>	Frank Malzone!

Of course! How could I forget!

>|> OF  Jim Rice
>|> 	Tris Speaker
>|> 	Ted Williams  (These three start. Speaker in CF, flip a coin for RF.)
>|> 	Carl Yaztrzemski 
>|> 	Dwight Evans  (Tough choice between Dewey and Fred Lynn. Honorable
>|> 	               mention to Reggie Smith and Frank Duffy).
>	Jackie Jensen
>	Jim Piersall
>	Tony Conigliaro!

Jensen could come in if Yaz moves to first. Piersall wasn't bad, but had a
couple of his best years in Cleveland. Tony C is another tough exclusion. If
only....
 	
>|> SP  Cy Young
>|> 	Roger Clemens
>|> 	Lefty Grove
>|> 	Smoky Joe Wood
>|> 	Luis Tiant
>
>	Bill Monbouquette
>	Bill Lee (well, occasionally. And for pure entertainment value!)

Actually, Lee was the next name on my list. He did win 17 three years in a
row, no mean feat for a lefty in Fenway. I don't think I could take
Monbouquette over any of those guys, though.
  
>	(El Tiante only had a couple of his good years with the Sox. If
>	 he's there, you'd also have to put Ike Delock, Earl Wilson, and
>	 yes, Dennis Eckersley...)
Tiant:                     Eckersley:          Lee:
 1971  1-7,  4.85           1978 20-8,  2.99    1969 1-3,   4.50
 1972 15-6,  1.91           1979 17-10, 2.99    1970 2-2,   4.62
 1973 20-13, 3.34           1980 12-14, 4.28    1971 9-2,   2.74
 1974 22-13, 2.92           1981 9-8,   4.27    1972 7-4,   3.20
 1975 18-14, 4.02           1982 13-13, 3.73    1973 17-11, 2.75
 1976 21-12, 3.06           1983 9-13,  5.61    1974 17-15, 3.51
 1977 12-8,  4.53           1984 4-4,   5.01    1975 17-9,  3.95
 1978 13-8,  3.31                               1976 5-7,   5.63
                                                1977 9-5,   4.43
                                                1978 10-10, 3.46

Tiant's '72 was really amazing. In addition to the 15 wins, he had 3 saves,
and gave up 128 hits and 65 walks in 179 innings, with 123 K's. I'd consider
his 72, 73, 74, 76, and 78 seasons as "very good" or better. Eckersley only
had two years that good (78 and 79), and Lee had 71, 72, 73, 74, and 78.
Small edge to Tiant, and Lee a clear pick over Eckersley. The real "couple
of good years" guy is Jim Lonborg (why couldn't he have had a nice safe
hobby, like skydiving?).

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

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