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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:20:39 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <ko1FPB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>Wtih this thread about "Americanization" of the Britannia, I must rebuff this.
>
>It seems to me that it is equal.  British shows like "Doctor Who", "The
>Avengers", "Blake's 7", "Monty Python", "Fawlty Towers", "Butterflies", and
>other shows, "The Secret Agent", and "The Prisoner" included, I say that
>the USA is being "Britonized". In fact, in rec.arts.drwho, the Doctor Who
>newsgroup, there are more American entries than British.  Anyone awake.
>Now if Britain could only do a series on Kingdoms and REpublics.
>

There will be more US posts on 'cult' UK originated UK TV because you will
get it shown more often (or at all).

BBC Enterprises (the commercial arm of the Beeb) is making vast mountains of
money selling video's of stuff like Dr Who, Blakes 7 .... The reason a
lot of people are buying them is because these shows haven't been broadcast
on TV for AGES and they want to watch them.

Blakes 7 hasn't been shown in the UK since about 1982/3.

Dr Who (apart from a one off series of about 7 stories featuring each Doctor
which died about half way through and doesn't seem to be coming back) hasn't
been shown for years either. Not since the last Silvester McCoy one :
The last Dr Who made - so far.

Similarly due to problems with rights over Star Trek: TNG series 4,5,6
won't be shown for a year or to (BBC v Sky TV) and the video's of series
4,5 .... are constantly in the top ten Sell-Through Video Charts.

Neil

P.S. Kingdoms and republics. Hmm. I suppose the closest to this was the
     recent BBC one on the CIA. A *REAL* eye opener. I hope there is a
     follow up series on the FBI, MI5 or something.

     Could have been a WGBH-Boston co-pro so you may get it.
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From: Mike King (miking@bnr.ca)
Subject: GOOD JAZZ RECORD/CD SHOPS IN LONDON?
Organization: NORTHERN TELECOM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:17:50 GMT

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I haven't seen it yet (not
unusual with the server I'm using). I'm about to make an (infrequent) trip home
and I heard that the only "good" jazz record store I knew in London (Doug
Dobell's) has gone bust. does anyone have any recommendations as to jazz
record/CD stores in London that are worth a visit?
                    Mike King (miking@bnr.ca)
From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mansell out ? [was Re: VNS: Mon 17-Aug-1992]
Keywords: VNS,news,sport
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:43:42 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Aug18.163439.23374@spider.co.uk> peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.083428.10239@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>>On French T.V. news last night it was reported that Alain Prost will be the Williams No.1. driver for '93.  This is at the insitence of Renault who supply the engine.  It was reported that Mansell is considering retirement.  Renault gave their reason as "Prost with 3 F1 World Championships has a better track record than Mansell".
>>
>>Personally I suspect this is another move by FISA to even up the teams - an old crock like Prost will be completely stuffed by Senna, even with a rocket powered car.
>
>According to BBC TV on Sunday, the speculation was that 
>
>1) Alain Prost had already signed for Williams
>2) Nigel Mansell had demanded $23 million (that is dollars BTW) to drive for
>   Williams next year.  Williams' supposedly weren't too keen on this.
>3) Senna had offered to drive for Williams for nothing.
>
>What in reality will happen is anyones guess.
>
>Peter
>-- 
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>Spider Park, Stanwell Street                    Phone :  +44 31 555 5166
>Edinburgh, Scotland

The Grauniad's motor racing correspondant suggested that James Hunt's
comments on the BBC were 'mischeivious' and thought it most unlikely
that Senna's statement that he would work for Williams for nowt was
more than a wind up. The argument being that pay is a indication of
status in the GP world, so that while Senna could afford to race for
nothing it would loose him considerable prestige if people could
say that the only reason he got the Williams drive is that he came free.

Most likely scenario is that Mansell stays with Williams with Prost
as joint No1. Mansell and Prost battle it out for the championship.
Whenever Prost wins Mansell will claim that the team is not giving him 
the support he deserves. Mansell comes second to Prost in the championship
and Mansell goes into a terminal sulk and quits motor racing.


CHR$

PS When did Mansell graduate from the Nick Faldo Charm School?
From: kaplan4@husc10.harvard.edu (Merrill Kaplan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What happened to punch magazine?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:03:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.kaplan4.714232990
 <1992Aug18.131624.29572@pixel.kodak.com> <kaplan4.714150369@husc10> <1992Aug18.165033.11413@bnr.uk>

agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:

>In article <kaplan4.714150369@husc10>, kaplan4@husc10.harvard.edu (Merrill Kaplan) writes:
>|> Punch indeed went under.  I would recommend trying to get a-hold of the
>|> farewell issue, as it was nicely done as a final retrospective and 
>|> Parthian shot at the financial nonsense which killed it.  
>|> 
>|> This leaves the oldest humor magazine in America, but the Lampoon really
>|> can't hold a candle to Punch.
>|> 
>|> Merrill Kaplan

>   "Punch is not as funny as it used to be."
> 
>      Private Eye 1962
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>                  1992
>   Alan

Ah, you noticed!  Well, it's finally true at least ... :|

-merrill kaplan-
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From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Britain/UK/GB (again!) (Was: Meggy and
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:01:35 GMT

In talking about Islands - not being themselves part of "Great
Britain" - one should bear in mind that the official version of
"GB" used in govt. documention is nearly allways "United Kingdom of
Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the Channel Islands!" being in
itself almost a sort of semantical equivalent of the "Godhead -
definition of Dieity as "Three IN one!"; which as in Theology;
stands undivided and frowns on any attempt to "pick holes in it!"
  (Am I *just*
  + waffeling!?)....




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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: John Watson (was Re: Mansell out ? [was Re: VNS: Mon 17-Aug-1992]
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:34:59 GMT
Keywords: VNS,news,sport

In <1992Aug18.083428.10239@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:

>p.s. this reminds me of way back at start of the Turbo era.  John Watson who'd recently been bumped of the Maclaren team claimed that Mansell was not competitive and not worth his drive.  He reckoned that he could make better use of the 1000HP turbo power.  After a couple of laps he came of the track very white, very quiet and a bit wiser.


As I recall, Watson was dropped from McLaren for Prost, at the end of '83.
In '82 or '83 he'd come 2nd in the Championship, so was pretty much at the
peak of his powers. Mansell at this stage was driving for Lotus, who had
Cosworth power, which was about half the vaunted 1000bhp. Even when they
went to Renault power they didn't have this much grunt. Mansell didn't
really shine until he went to Williams, who were at that stage refining
the Honda engine to be usable.
In my opinion, Watson would have been able to make better use of the car
at any time up until 1985. As far as I know, he's the only driver to come
through and win from the back row of the grid! (He and Lauda qualified
22nd and 23rd, and came 1st and 2nd!)

And what makes you think Prost is an old crock> He's younger than
Mansell isn't he?

regards,

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From: agc@bmdhh298.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: What happened to punch magazine?
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:50:33 GMT

In article <kaplan4.714150369@husc10>, kaplan4@husc10.harvard.edu (Merrill Kaplan) writes:
|> Punch indeed went under.  I would recommend trying to get a-hold of the
|> farewell issue, as it was nicely done as a final retrospective and 
|> Parthian shot at the financial nonsense which killed it.  
|> 
|> This leaves the oldest humor magazine in America, but the Lampoon really
|> can't hold a candle to Punch.
|> 
|> Merrill Kaplan

   "Punch is not as funny as it used to be."
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:14:14 GMT

In article <zlsiida.85@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <768@dsbc.icl.co.uk> sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
>
>>Yeah, like when Pop WILL Eat Itself had to change the "Big Mac, fries to go"
>>line in Def Con One to "Big shake, fries to go". Sounded bloody stupid!
>
>Am I getting old, or are BOTH versions not only stupid-sounding, but 
>actually stupid?
>
>I've got some nice music at home which I never play because the lyrics are 
>crap.  It's an eternal problem: the music's format demands lyrics, but very 
>few people can write anything that sounds good 10 years later.

I think may people have difficulty sticking out Andy W's 15 minutes' fame with
their lyrics.  I won't even comment on rap except to notice what prefixing with
`c' does... B^>

Damon
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: British money - the world's most valuable.
Date: 9 Aug 92 11:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

The following come from the cover price of European issue of 
"Time" magazine, 
from 13-july-1992.  I have listed the 3 biggest, 3 smallest and
a selection of the ones in between,  all prices are given in the
number of currency units of the country concerned.  
As you can see the UK's currency unit is one of the most valuable,
and currency value seems to have little to do with national
wealth, power etc.

0.8   Malta
1.3   Cyprus
1.5   UK, Eire/Ireland

5.0   Germany
6.90  Isreal
15.5  Netherlands
20.0  France
100   Belgium
350   Spain

500   Greece
3750  Italy
12000 Turkey

 Why bother with pence or cents - the Greeks etc all seem to manage
quite well without currency sub-units?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: VNS: Wed 19-Aug-1992
Keywords: VNS,sport
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:15:57 GMT


<><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>

 Edition : 2644            Wednesday 19-Aug-1992            Circulation :  7786

        VNS UK SPORTS REPORT ..............................   32   "

VNS UK SPORTS REPORT:                            [Ken Merrick, VNS Sports Desk]
=====================                            [Valbonne, France            ]

|||BASKETBALL
   Larry Bird has announced his retirement from the game - his last match was
   the Olympic final.

|||CYCLING
   Eric Boyer just headed Jose Gonzales to take the 157km first stage of the 
   Tour du Limousin. Serge Baguiet was third with Thierry Claveeyrolet fourth.

|||FOOTBALL
   Results...
   FA Premier League
   Manchester City ...... 1  Queen's Park Rangers ... 1 (from monday)
   Blackburn Rovers ..... 1  Arsenal ................ 0
   Wimbledon ............ 0  Ipswich Town ........... 1

   Friendly matches
   Japan ................ 1  Juventus ............... 1
   Russia ............... 2  Mexico ................. 0

   News...
   Everton are to give a trial to two South African internationals. The players
   are Philemon Masinga, a 23-yr old forward from Sundows Pretoria, and Sizwe 
   Motaung, a 22 yr-old defender from Cosmo Jomo of Johannesburg. 

|||MOTOR SPORT
   Ferrari are testing their latest car, the 92/AT at Monza. The car features a
   new gearbox and suspension set-up. Also testing at Monza are Williams-
   Renault with test-driver Damon Hill.

   At a press conference yesterday, Nigel Mansell denied that he was having
   talks with other teams or was planning a move to CART racing. He stated that
   he would either drive for Williams-Renault next season, or retire.


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<><><><><><><>   VNS Edition : 2644   Wednesday 19-Aug-1992   <><><><><><><><>
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Any more new countries due???
Date: 3 Aug 92 09:55:45 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

Heard on the news today that UN sanctions against Yugoslavia are 
hitting Montenegro quite hard, and that as a result some there are
now thinking of Montenegro leaving Yugoslavia and becoming an 
independent state.
  As they only have 600,000 (?) people they had thought before 
that they were too small to go independent.

   HOW MANY OTHER candidates for independent statehood are there?

1. Eritrea is due this year or next to hold a referendum on leaving
          Ethiopia.
2 Quebec - Does it still look as if Quebec is going to leave Canada?
3 Puerto Rico - Is this not supposed to be holding a referendum soon?
4 Some of the Republics within Russia

I don't know of any others who might gain independence in the short
term.
Obvious long term candidates are
  Catalonia, Scotland, Wales, East Timor, New Caladonia.

help the atlas industry, split your country :-)
                                         W.P.Coyne@newcastle.ac.uk 
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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: New World Beers (ROLLING ROCK)
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:02:07 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <92221.025727DFE100@psuvm.psu.edu> DFE100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>Rolling Rock is indeed an American beer.  It's hard to believe that you
>can get it in Britain because it is not really well known here in the States
>--except on the east coast.
>

How much relatively to Bud or Miller does it cost.

There was a pile in Safeways (Corstorphine, Edinburgh) and I considered
getting a 4 bottle case but baulked at the price it was.

Neil
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: royal family
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:46:49 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug18.095125.6987@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
=>In article <1992Aug13.895.15961@dosgate> "richard tanner" <richard.tanner@canrem.com> writes:
=>
=>>The bottom line is that what the Queen and the Royal Family around her do 
=>>or do not do is unimportant. It is what they are, like fixed parts within 
=>>a watch, holding the moving gears in place (unless, of course, you're 
=>>wearing a Casio).
=>
=>Utter Bollocks

Quite.

There was an interesting item on Newsnight about the popularity of the 
Danish royal family. It included an interview with Queen Margrethe, who
spoke intelligently, and in English of a fluency rarely heard on this
sceptered isle. Instead of spending her time spending the public's money,
she undertakes various projects including designing costumes for theatre
and is an accomplished artist. I wonder why OUR queen is less popular?


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From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Subject: Re: What are the yellow "H" signs?
Originator: andyw@aspen32
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:47:18 CDT


In article <l8o3gpINNjdq@news.bbn.com>, saustin@bbn.com (Steve Austin) writes:
> clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:
> 
> ->On many buildings in the UK there are metal signs, about a foot
> ->square, with a yellow background and a large black "H".  There
> ->are smaller numbers written in the space above and below the bar
> ->of the "H".  Every hypothesis I came up with for meaning of these
> ->signs seemed to be disproved by a contradicting set of numbers.
> 
> These give the location of the nearest fire Hydrant.  In the UK
> these are no big yellow/red things that you can run your car into,
> but are set into the sidewalk (=pavement in UK).
> 
> I don't know exactly what the numbers mean, though.

I was told (by my dad, who I have no reason to believe, except I
was 6 at the time) that the top number was the number of feet
away from the sign the hydrant actually was (as an aside,
I wonder if that has gone metric ? how would they tell ?
- anyway, I digress) the bottom number was the depth in
inches of the hole.

If he's wrong, tell me; he's coming over in 3 weeks and I'll
give him hell (as if he'll care..)
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:28:11 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <768@dsbc.icl.co.uk> sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:

>Yeah, like when Pop WILL Eat Itself had to change the "Big Mac, fries to go"
>line in Def Con One to "Big shake, fries to go". Sounded bloody stupid!

Am I getting old, or are BOTH versions not only stupid-sounding, but 
actually stupid?

I've got some nice music at home which I never play because the lyrics are 
crap.  It's an eternal problem: the music's format demands lyrics, but very 
few people can write anything that sounds good 10 years later.

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From: hbonney@calvin.Tymnet.COM (Hugh Bonney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Vet UK Based Consultant?
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:17:33 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: hbonney@calvin


    Apparently the UK does not have an obvious equivalent to
    the Better Business Bureau, though I'm sure there are
    other organizations. I am really trying to look up and
    vet a consultant from the UK. How is this possible? I
    really don't have a good start on this. Usual ways in
    the US don't quite work. And ordinary references them-
    selves should be checked out. Are there registries
    which will answer 'public' queries? A directory of trade
    associations which will do the same? Any ideas or
    literature/publication references/numbers?

    Thanks,  Hugh

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