From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Re: RELIGIOUS FLAME, Where is it?
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:48:39 GMT

Dear friends,

Thanks for replying.

>>       I am getting lot of letters saying that there
>>is lot of religious flame going on in SCB. I am not
>>sure if I am sorry that I had started it.

>I'm quite sure you are not sorry you posted them.

You are rigth. I am not sure that I am sorry. Because
there is no real flame.

>Is it even remotely possible that people feel they have responded to
>your previous posts adequately by mail or otherwise?

Many people are responding to my mails personally. Sorry I can't
refer to them as they want privacy. Thanks to them. Theyy all say
the point in my question.

(staff deleted)

Next letter.

SHAKIL WRITES

You insist that people reply to your articles, but when they do, you
ignore them because you "don't care" and don't want to "bother about
silly points."

       Sorry I thought I responded to the posts. Only that I
       didnot post in the usual way of first refering to the
       writers post and then writing the reply. Soory. I will
       stick tto the rules from now.

You keep repeating that you don't care whether
Muhammed (pbuh) was a prophet, and yet you insist that you're a
Muslim.  You are free to have whatever beliefs you want.  But don't
expect a universal vote of approval from Muslims if you do not
subscribe to one of the most fundamental pillars of Islam.
    

        But I never said That MOHAMAD IS NOT A PROPHET. I just
        said that I am not inteligent enough to judge if 
        mohamad is a prophet or not. But I feel that all that
        he spoke is right, so I accept his word, What is the mistake?


How many times do you expect people to repeat the same thing?  You
claim to follow all of Muhammed's (pbuh) teachings, and yet you don't
believe he was necessarily a prophet.

        I repeat I NEVER SAID THAT MOHAMAD IS NOT A PROPHET.
        Do you accept that every body to be inteligent enough to
        answer all question. Isn't it enough to accept what God
        wanted to convey to us. 

        Are the "most fundamental pillars of Islam." unquestionable
        to have a better understanding of it?

Then why do you follow his
teachings?  You will argue that you had all these values even before
you found out about Muhammed (pbuh).  But then where did you get these
values from?  How do you *know* they are approved of by God if they
did not come from a prophet?

        Allah gave me the brain. I use my own judgement to
        understand that what Mohamad said is right. I am
        brought up in a HINDU family. Still I have rejected
        most of it, except the truth. I find that truth same
        what Mohamad said. In Hinduisim there is a concept of
        NIRAKAR GOD and SAKAR god. I had written before that
        I take this SAKAR god is a simplistic model (YOUR WORDS)
        to teach KINDER GARDEN CHILDREN. They might have been
        infirior intelectually then you. So they needed different 
        model. I am not a child now. So I reject it and accept
        only one GOD principle. I have no name for it. One can
        call God any thing. One can pray GOD as he likes. Where  
        am I wrong??

As you see, your comments do not make any sense to me.  Simply put,
that is why I don't respond.  I suspect others suffer from the same
fate.  You cannot expect people to respond, defend or flame something
which is simply incromprehensible.  There are some very simple pillars
of Islam, some very clear verses in the Qur'an, which answer all your
questions.  They have already been pointed out to you, but you ignore
them, choosing instead to pose the same questions again, in even less
comprehensible format.


       Even this time, I choose the same question to you. Please note
       I didnot ignore your letter. I respected your words. Answer my question.

1) How does the fact weather JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS EFFECT US?
YOU PEOPLE FIGTH ON SUC SILLY POINTS WITH BAHAI PEOPLE.

2) ONCE ONE HAD AACCEPTED THE MASSAGE OF GOD SENT BY JESUS, HOW
DOES IT MATTER IF HE WAS A SON OF GOD OR NOT? WILL IT CHANGE THE
FACT (I DON"T KNOW WHICH IS TRUE) if you agree to it or not.

3) AM I NOT A MUSLIM IF I DON"T PRAT LIKE A MUSLIM DO?

4) WHY SHOULD I ANSWER THE QUESTION
"DO YOU BELEAVE MOHAMAD IS A PROPHET?" to be a muslim. Will
it make any diffenence? I follow him, isn';t it enough?
I beleave that ALLAH (or what ever name) is the only God.
isn't it enough?

I respect you. You are born and bought up a muslim. I am 
not. Try to think from my point of view. You will see the
point. All you have to do is try to feel what I am going 
through. 

I really feel sad when a muslim and christian fight over
silly point like "was JESUS a SON OF GOD OR NOT?" See in
either way you accept the word of JESUS, but you still
fight. How silly. 

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA

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