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From: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
Subject: FAQ - what is Plot Calculus?
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: MVB.9952920
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

I read the FAQ, and realized that the existence of the term "Plot Calculus"
may be a scary term for some people.  (Of course, other people may not even
care....)
 
Anyway, the way I read this term is that a Plot Calculus is a term for a
formal method to calculate a plot, and provide some analysis of a plot
as a logical object, rather than making it implicit in all the interaction
between all the elements that make up a particular work of IF.
 
Presumably a Plot Algebra would be simpler than a Plot Calculus, since it
could just describe the static portion of an IF work, rather than including
the dynamic portion.
 
Has anyone written any formal work on Plot calculus?
 
Dave (whitten@fwva.saic.com) US:(619)535-7764 [I don't speak as a company rep.]
From: cg011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark M Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.int-fiction
Subject: Is there a "classic"?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:15:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Having only recently fallen off the turnip truck, I will have to admit 
to complete ignorance to the whole area of interactive fiction. Recently
I came across this newsgroup (following a hypertext thread) and my
curiousity is aroused.
Is there a definitive or classic piece of int-ficition that I can download
to get a sense of what it is all about?? I sent for and got a couple of 
files from a gentleman at HP that explains a lot about the theory, but
would like to see one in action....any suggestions?

In advance I thank you,
Mark -woodwamm@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
-- 
Mark Woodward
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From: vaccari@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (matteo vaccari)
Subject: Another TADS programming question
Keywords: TADS
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:27:51 GMT

I'd like to be able to create new objects at runtime.
For instance, suppose the main character has an 'herbalist' skill, and 
is able to construct potions.  I cannot tell in advance how many
potions the player will create, so I cannot just create a 
fixed number of potion objects and store them in some hidden room,
waiting for the user to "construct" them.

Is this possible to do with TADS?

Thanks in advance

Matteo
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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: good news and bad news...help!
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:53:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May) writes:

> My nipple ring is 1/2" ID (more like 9/16" ID with the bead installed).  I
> think a smaller one would actually look nicer, but the piercing itself is
> 3/8" across.  What would be really cool is a 3/8" ring with a second,
> larger ring behind or above it in a separate piercing.  Anybody done
> anything like this?

Not in person, but I have seen pictures of a fellow who had two
piercings in each nipple. They were at 90 degree angles to each other,
though.

Occurs to me a woman might have big enough nipples to have parallel
piercings, but most guys (myself included) just don't have enough room
in the nipple.
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From: sldesroc@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Shannon L. Desroches)
Subject: followup?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:31:46 EST




For some reason, the initial text was cut out of my last posting.  So, let me
once again try to thank those of you who were so kind as to lavish advice and
experiences upon this potential and now neophyte large-breasted woman with
pierced nipples.  

Oh, and I also cursed this satanic editor.

SHAN
L.A. transplant stuck in Sigberia--AGAIN.

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From: yossie@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Silverman)
Subject: Re: PA locks, etc.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:00:36 GMT

Well, my PA is currently 4G and can probably take a 0G.  What this means
is that I can fit a normal to larger than normal lock-shackle through it.
Master Locks are a good choice (the more expensive ones that don't bend
out of shape and get stuck - yes, it's happened to me - are the best kind.

As for material.  For a short time (a day?) a regular shackle is ok (it	is
chrome plated and unless you have a specific sensitivity to that should be
no problem.)  For anything longer, you can get one made up of stainless.

Master Locks makes a lock with a removable shackle (and it's adjustable,
making it better as a ball-lock, but I digress.)  I know at least one person
who special ordered a stainless version of the shackle from Silver Anchor.
He said it ran $100 or so but he KNOWS he can wear it for long periods
with no problem.

The best use I have found for the lock is not so much as a chastity
device but as a stay-put device.  Just lock the dick to the wall with
a chain and try to get away! :-)

- Yossie

P.s. wearing one for a while is kindof neat, especially when unclothed,
because of the reactions from others and the sensation of weight on the
PA.

P.s. of course you can just lock the PA to the Guiche (assuming both are
of a large guage) as a chastity device - speaking from personal experience
I can say it's not very comfortable - hardon's were painful and shortlived
and pretty much continous - I.e. I kept trying to get one (rather my body
did - I was trying to sleep) and the pain killed it in mid-stride.
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: good news and bad news...help!
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:53:01 GMT

In <1993Jan5.223836.11352@nevada.edu> clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:

>bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>>I did it!  My left nipple is now adorned with a 14g circular barbell.  It's
>>healing beautifully.
>>
>>I love it and think it's absolutely beautiful.  However, I've been having
>>graphic nightmares of my rig getting ripped out or sawing itself out of 
>>my nipple.  Has anyone else experienced this with a piercing?  I think it's
>>because I have this new thing hanging off a sensitive part of my body.

>I worried about this a lot when I had my nipple pierced.  The first
>two nights I wore a t-shirt and a 2"x2" bandage over my nipple when
>I went to bed.  On the third night I couldn't stand wearing the
>t-shirt so I took it off.  By the morning of the fourth day the skin
>around my nipple started breaking out so I had to stop wearing the
>bandages.  I switched to first aid tape for a couple of nights then
>I finally gave up.

>Now I sleep totally unprotected and have no problems.

>What is the diameter of your nipple ring.  Mine is 1/2" so it's
>pretty hard to get it caught on anything in bed.  A larger ring
>could definitely be a problem.

Nonsense.  Mine is 1.5" and I've never had a problem.  I'm not a
motionless sleeper either.  
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From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: home piercing...
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:40:30 GMT

In article <C0L7Hx.2xE@mach1.wlu.ca> dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F) writes:
>Where does one find Manon de Source ou Jean de Florette?


They're both available on video; check the foreign section. Manon de Source 
is probably packaged as Manon of the Spring; that's what it was released as 
stateside.

Dave
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: hibiclens & yeast infections
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:43:49 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: macrae-ss2.cisco.com

In article <1993Jan11.133735.23367@sco.com> ruthc@sco.COM (Ruth Colby) writes:
>
>I got my labia pierced on new year's eve.  since then, I used hibiclens
>twice a day, sometimes three, up until two days ago.  it seems that it
>is so good at killing bacteria & other microorganisms that the normal
>flora & fauna living in my vagina got out of balance & gave me a yeast
>infection.
>
>anyone else have this problem?


	Yeah, I got a good case of jock itch the first time I got
	a genital piercing. Combination of the hibicleans and all
	the extra washing.  

>  as someone else said, are we americans
>too anal about cleansing fresh piercings?

	Not really, but we're too anal about using antibiotic stuff at
	full strength, and we tend to ignore our bodies warning signs.


	Generally, if you're using something like that on your bits, 
	DILUTE! DILUTE! Use it at no more than 1/2, and maybe less.
	
	And as soon as the piercing seems to be healing, stop using
	it, apart from a 'now and then' basis; switch to a mild soap,
	and if you want to sterilize, use small quantities of an antiseptic
	like bactine, applied with a cotton ball, gauze pad, q-tip, etc.



			-Karl

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From: lutzeb@cs.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Lutzebaeck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: fresh piercing and intercourse
Date: 08 Jan 93 21:54:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Technical University Berlin, Germany
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: flp.cs.tu-berlin.de


hi net.experienced,

I read the FAQ but the following question is still unanswered to me:
how long does it take before you can have regular intercourse or
masturbate with your SO after getting pierced

(a) through the foreskin?
(b) through the labia?

what's your experience? I don't like to be continent for 3 months
after the piercing :) What's with hard-ons after getting pierced? Does
it hurt?

Thanks for your comment

Dirk
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Subject: Re: small nipple...placement o' pierce?
From: JSCHWIMMER@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Joshua Schwimmer)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:54:29 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University
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In <1993Jan11.204851.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

> Has anyone else had their nipples pierced outside of the nipple area because
> they have small nipples?  Let me clarify.  When I got my left nipple pierced
> I expected to end up with the entry and exit holes of the jewelry to be right
> at the base of my nipple (that is, from the tip of my nipple down in the 
> direction of my back)  Is anyone understanding what I'm trying to say?  Anyway,
> I ended up with the holes being on the bigger flesh of my nipple (what is that
> called?).  I love my pierce but it's not exactly the way I had seen it in
> pictures and on a friend of mine.  Is this proper placement.  I did have a 
> rather small nipple before the piercing.  Any input would be muchly
> appreciated.
> 
> Beth ;>
 
As I understand it, well-developed nipples are pierced at the base,
where the nipple meets the areola (the "bigger flesh" of the nipple
that you wrote about).  However, if the nipple is undeveloped, like
yours is and mine is, then you pierce it about 1/16" to 1/8" into the
areola.  The smaller the nipple, the more into the areola it is
pierced.  Deeper nipple piercings are less likely to be torn out or
rejected by the body, and they provide more sensation.  My left nipple
was pierced rather deeply in the areola, and it looks and feels
wonderful.

-- Josh.
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From: ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
Subject: Re: GIF's
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:50:20 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan11.193020.29802@newstand.syr.edu> talarico@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Talarico) writes:
>
>Would anyone be willing to post some cool tatt Gif's?  I'd be interested in
>seeing some designs.  In case anyone is wondering, I still haven't gotten
>my first.  I've decided to design my own, but don't know if many tatt
>artists are willing to work with me (I *AM* technically an artist myself
>- Ad. Art directorr  of a local newspaper).  Would they prefer total
>freedom?  What is the process of transferring MY design to my skin?

My sister and I got our first tats together last May, and we both had
our own designs.  Can't comment on artists in general, but the people
at Dragon Moon in Glen Burnie, MD had *no* problem at all with working
from our designs.  Since we both had full-size drawings ready, they
just made transfers from outline tracings.

One guy ahead of us brought in a coffee mug with a family crest or something
that he wanted made into a tattoo.  They had no problem with that either,
but told him they'd have to make a drawing first.  He seemed annoyed that
they wouldn't tattoo him freehand from the mug, and left.

I suppose some artists might prefer total freedom, but it's your tattoo,
not theirs.

ljd
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov (Bruce F. Gilsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Piercing being "trendy"...
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:41:09 GMT
Reply-To: m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov (Bruce F. Gilsen)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

In my opinion, piercing won't really be "trendy" until we start seeing
ads like the following:

"Now, from the people who brought you temporary tattoos, it's clip-on
body piercings!  Amaze your friends and lovers!"

Bruce   m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov
From: bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: good news and bad news...help!
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:20:21 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

I did it!  My left nipple is now adorned with a 14g circular barbell.  It's
healing beautifully.

I love it and think it's absolutely beautiful.  However, I've been having
graphic nightmares of my rig getting ripped out or sawing itself out of 
my nipple.  Has anyone else experienced this with a piercing?  I think it's
because I have this new thing hanging off a sensitive part of my body.

Other bad bdy art news.  My second nose piercing has blistered and I had to
take it out.  I think it stemmed from my stud getting hit a lot in a week.  
At first it was just a surface blood blister.  Then when I tried to clean 
the hole without the stud in, this huge blister formed after I washed the 
scab off.  I couldn't get the stud back in my nose.  Needless to say, I'm
very disappointed.  I think nose rings are wonderful.  But, apparantly my
nose doesn't like them.  Does anyone know if getting a septum pierce is less
likely to have problems?  Is it wise to get my nose pierced again,
proffesionally this time?

All non-sexist non-anti-body art advice is welcome.
From: karlb@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Karl Buschhaus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Jerry Springer Show
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:19:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

I just caught bits and pieces of the Jerry Springer show.  

Topday it was about tattoos.  They had a 15 year old who got one, and her
mother who kicked her out of the house.  Fiancees where the man abjected to
her wanting to get one.  And, most fun of all, some guy who didn't like his
sister-in-law getting one.  (He had both ears pierced)  She was getting 
another right there on stage during the taping.  

Did anyone see the whole thing??

Karl Buschhaus

karlb@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: magenta@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Leilah Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: piercings and tats for preggers
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:34:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


 Posting this for a friend with no account :

 She's wondering how a nipple piercing would affect breastfeeding, and also
how a navel pierce would work out during a pregnancy.  Mainly academic
questions, as she is probably not going to have another child, but she
wants to know.  Also - does anyone have any info on whether the stretching
of skin during pregnancy in both stomach and breast regions would affect a
tattoo?  Would it go back to it's original form, or stretch strangely?

 (I know these questions have been posted on here before, fairly recently
i think, but i didn't keep them. *sorry* if you can e-mail answers to me,
it'll probably save some annoyance. :)

 leilah

magenta@sage.cc.purdue.edu
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From: magenta@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Leilah Thiel)
Subject: Re: Piercing being "trendy"...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:56:21 GMT

In article <11887@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov (Bruce F. Gilsen) writes:
>In my opinion, piercing won't really be "trendy" until we start seeing
>ads like the following:
>
>"Now, from the people who brought you temporary tattoos, it's clip-on
>body piercings!  Amaze your friends and lovers!"
>
>Bruce   m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov


it's already happened.  ever seen magnetic earrings?  they hold quite nicely 
through a nose.
 :>

lei/wench

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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: PA locks, etc.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:53:32 GMT

anon.23@pax.tpa.com.au writes:

>A recent poster described the use of a lock through his PA.  I have
>been pondering a number of piercing options with an eye toward their use
>as a "chastity implement".  I could imagine that a heavy enough lock would
>render even masturbation unpleasant, although I am concerned since I have a
>fairly high tolerance for pain.  Regarding hole size, I suspect that a
>smaller gauge lock through the pierce itself could hold a heavier lock
>(or other item) - "weakest link" points conceded.

I can't imagine a lock through the ring being able to deterr masturbation at
all.  To deterr serious attempts at intercourse the ring would have to be 
welded shut to prevent simple removal of the whole thing.  A smaller lock
with a hasp 8 to 6 ga could be fit in an original 14 ga PA hole in less than
a year with some stretching, but the lock it's self would have to be pretty
big if it's to prevent intercourse.  Vaginas can accomodate some pretty large
objects if the will is there, and a strong condom could probably hold the lock
in place long enough for the couple to get their yeah-yeahs.
The chastitiy implementation of closed (soldered?, ick!) labial peirces seems
to be the way to go (if you just have to do it), but the male equivalent
would have to be one of these you mention below.  Or, a few of those accross
the shaft transverse barbell jobbies with locks, unless she's into extreeme
3-D french tickler action.

>Previous daydreams of mine have included multiple (5?) dydoes with a
>lock through them, or perhaps actually locking a PA hole to a guiche hole.

This sounds more likely to prevent intercourse, I really can't think of
any peircing that can be locked to prevent masturbation.  There are a lot
of bizzare ways to jerk off after all, and no lock and stop a good massaging
showerhead, eh.

>(Apologies to those here who do not have a.s.b interests).
>I would appreciate anyone manually cross-posting this to a.s.b, since my
>site does not access that group :-<  -- followups to r.a.b please!
>Thanks from an ex-lurker.
I don't get it here either, and by the way, I'm moving to Sweden in two days,
hope to net with you all from there.
-- 
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Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
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From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: fresh piercing and intercourse
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:08:18 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

I got my labia pierced about two weeks ago, and only had to abstain from crotch
action for a few days, more out of paranoia and menstrual obstacles than any
pain I experienced.  It healed in about a week.  My gynecologist said it looked
nice.

This is mainly to add on to another reply about your question, about contact
with body fluids.  The woman who did my piercing (Victoria Leeds of Innovations
in Leather in Boston: wonderful chick) said that I should use my own saliva or
vaginal fluid for lubrication for one month after the piercing, to avoid
infection.  

Not only does avoiding other people's body fluids prevent infection, but it
also is a principle of safer sex, a big thing with me...which you probably
already know about.

Get down. You should be okay.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: ruthc@sco.COM (Ruth Colby)
Subject: Re: fresh piercing and intercourse
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 20:25:09 GMT
Summary: immediate, recent personal experience


In article <LUTZEB.93Jan8225427@flp.cs.tu-berlin.de> lutzeb@cs.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Lutzebaeck) writes:

>how long does it take before you can have regular intercourse or
>masturbate with your SO after getting pierced

>(b) through the labia?
>what's your experience?

I got my labia pierced on new year's eve (which was quite an experience
in itself!!).

I was concerned about the same sorts of questions, but had figured that
the piercing would heal in 3 weeks anyway, so if I was incapacitated,
we'd manage to survive somehow.

just after being pierced, my understanding was "no oral contact" and
and no regular intercourse.  masturbation was something I assumed that
since I would be in control, whatever I wanted to do would be fine.

well, within not very many hours after the piercing (maybe 10 or so),
we did a little playing with a dildo and I found out just how much fun
this ring will be...  as I bounced around, the ring managed to hit me
in just the right place.  it was a little too tender to keep that up for
long, tho.  (but as of now, flipping the ring around isn't much of a
problem.)

a few hours after that, at the new year's day party, I was told by a
friend who also has several labial piercings, "as long as you have enough
communication with your partner to say 'move this way,' or 'stop now!' that
anything other than oral contact is OK".  so...  we've found that some
positions aren't workable yet, but have still been managing quite nicely.
there's only been a couple times when he's slipped out and run into the
ring that caused any great pains, and there've been minor pains if the ring
is flipped up, and sometimes lube irritates it.  I've been concerned about
possible irritation from semen, so we've been using condoms, as we should
all the time anyway.

I always wash up afterwards with soap, water & hibiclens.

it's only been a little more than 7 days, and it feels mostly healed
already!

we're still holding off on oral contact -- another few weeks...


just for stats, the ring is a 12ga purple niobium, smallest I could
get (I wore it as a ring on my pinkie finger before I had the proper
installation done), with a hematite captive bead.  the piercing was
done with a 10ga needle & I think that the larger needle was a good
choice -- the ring has never gotten "stuck" (so crusted that I couldn't
move it), in fact, there's been very little "crust" at all.  I always
rotate it and flip it when I clean it, and in fact, move it around
whenever I get access to it  ;-)  wore skirts for the first few days,
but probably didn't need to do that.


all in all, I highly recommend it!

-r
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