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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:40:26 CST
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Subject:      Terrance Heath

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From:         Brenda Lewis <BLEWIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject:      African American Research
To:           heath@athens.cs.uga.edu

Hi.  My name is Brenda Lewis and I have pretty much run into the same prob
lem you have, what do to after the 1870 census.  I also found alot of informati
on from the census about my family.  I wish I could continue my research, but I
 am about to have a baby in a few weeks.  If you get any personal responses to
your query with good practical information, would you please pass them on to me
.  I don't know when I will be able to get back to doing my research, but any s
uggestions I'll surely hold on to until then.  Happy researching.


Thanks,
Brenda Lewis
BLEWIS@UA1VM.BITNET

Searching: ANTHONY, BIBB, CO(A)SBY, HAMLIN, MCDADE (in Alabama for now)
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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: GEDCOM specification 
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:33:05 +0000

In article <1992Nov2.073715.28426@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> etorrem@cbnewsj.cb.att.com writes:

> Does anyone know where I can find the latest GEDCOM specs?

(You'll probably get lots of replies.) 
The latest (draft) version of GEDCOM is available from. The Family History
Department of the Mormons. Get a copy quick because there are: some good
things being added and also some rough points that need smoothing out.
(Currently the specification of the line format does allow the recognition
of the TAG grammar.)

> Preferably FTP sites.

The LDS are NOT on the Internet. I asked the author of GEDCOM that
personally during a recent visit he made to the UK. Also, it is very
unlikely that they will ever be an internet site. However, write to them or
call them for a copy of the specs. They are very helpful.

They want to improve GEDCOM.

> I'm writing a (dutch) genealogy program
> and would like to implement GEDCOM as close as possible to the
> current specifications.

These are the things that they want to improve. Remove the American
parochialisms and improve the handling of non-English characters.

> Greeting from Holland,

Greetings from England.

[Sorry this is late but it bounced from my news gateway first time round.]
 
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:32:05 -0400
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From:         SGREENHAGEN@COLGATEU.BITNET
Subject:      Connecticut Help

   This is my first message to the ROOTS-L, so please be patient.
   I'm taking a Library Science class in reference services at Syracuse
University, and every week we have reference questions to answer.  This
week we have a genealogy question.  Can anybody help me with this:
   QT: "I need a biography of George KIBBEE, a Connecticut doctor."
   I looked in Munsell's Index to American Genealogies (1900) and the
Supplement (1900-1908) and found the following:
        KIBBE   Stile's History of Windsor, Ct. ii 839
        KIBBEE  American Ancestry i 43
        KIBBE   Allen's History of Enfield, Ct. 30
   Is this the KIBBEE (KIBBE) that's related to George KIBBEE?
   The kicker in this question is that my instructor's last name just
happens to be, guess what, KIBBEE.
   Any information anyone might have would be greatly appreciated.
Sue Greenhagen
Case Library, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY   SGREENHAGEN@COLGATEU
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:57:20 -0500
Reply-To:     BONGIOVIRP@VTPOOH.ME.VT.EDU
From:         BONGIOVIRP@VTPOOH.ME.VT.EDU
Subject:      Just Starting...
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello!

My wife and I are just starting to research her family.  She has a real
desire to trace her roots and I love to research projects like this.  In
regard to this, I have three questions I'd like to ask:

1.  Can anyone recommend good books for beginners and/or good "handbooks"
for genealogy research?  I don't need a list, I would just like to see
what people like, and why.  I have already read Val Greenwood's
"Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy" and am considering purchasing it.

2.  I have downloaded many genealogy programs and found one I like (The
Family Scrapbook) and one that many people seem to use (Brother's Keeper).
I have found that Family Scrapbook seems to do everything Brother's
Keeper does and has an easier to use interface.  My question is two fold.
First, what features do people find most important in a genealogy program?
Second, how does Pafability compare to these two programs?  I don't want
to waste money on a program (or registering a program) that does not do
something I will need in the future, as I am a graduate student who's
funding has been delayed six months (and therfore short on ready cash).

3.  My final question is about the American Genealogy Society.  First,
is the library significant enough to be worth the membership and the
research/loan fees?  Second, has anyone taken the course they offer as
an introduction to genealogy who would like to comment on it?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to reply.

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:48:36 -0600
Reply-To:     "Kathy O'Meara Magnuson 708/982-4596 1825/A-1W"
              <omeara@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM>
From:         "Kathy O'Meara Magnuson 708/982-4596 1825/A-1W"
              <omeara@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      RE: Looking for info on Novinger family
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Comments: cc: OMEARA@tin.monsanto.com

>the surname *Novinger*...it is a very rare name...and originally settled in
>pennsylvania before moving to northeastern Missouri.  thanks again.   jason@ku

(Sorry for the public reply, but "jason@ku" is not exactly the most complete
address I've ever seen!)

Just FYI, no NOVINGER'S seem to have moved even further northeast.  I've
checked the Chicago and all of the Suburban area directories and there are
no entries at all; it's rare around here at least!  Sorry!              -kom-
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: CROPP
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:01:08 GMT

Does ANYONE have a CROPP family that could have possibly had a daughter born ca. 1800 and married a William R. BULLARD in Virginia.  Probably location of this family could have been in Spotsylvania County as that is where the BULLARD family was located at the time.  Unable to locate any record in Deed books so far.  HELP!

 * Origin: Southern Crossroads -=[ 817-481-8984 ]=- (1:124/4115)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:43:49 -0600
Reply-To:     RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
From:         RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
Subject:      RE: DARNOLD = French

Tammy Stark Blandino  <lib1p@jetson.uh.edu>  wrote to All:
>
> In my mother's family I have found an ancestor whose maiden name is "Darnold".
> I haven't found this name ANYWHERE else.
>
> I suspect it may be French and that it might have originally been D'Arnold,
> but I am just guessing.

I'll scan phone subscribers in the Minitel to search for both spellings when I
find the time. In the meantime, just reading an old Paris phone book I happen
to have in front of me, I find several related names, e.g. DARNAUD, DARNAULT,
DARNAUDY, D'ARNAUDY; but no DARNOLD or D'ARNOLD. However, there are plenty of
people called ARNOLD (about 50 in Paris alone !). D'ARNOLD is, indeed, almost
certainly a French name and DARNOLD a deformation from it (cf. below about the
meaning of D').

> Should it actually be D'Arnold, the French would have pronounced it without
> the final "d", making the pronunciation like "Darnal".

No !  In the cases cited above (DARNAUD, etc.), indeed the -D or -LT are not
pronounced (since many centuries). However, the name (and first name) ARNOLD
exists in France and the -D is definitely still pronounced in this case. If
there was (is ?) a surname (D)ARNOLD in France, anyone would pronounce it as
you would in English.

The original (proto-German/Scandinavian and Frankish) pronounciation was
something like ARNHOLT and, depending on regional (dialectal) deformations,
this produced names such as ARNAULT, ARNAULD, or ARNAUD, whose -LT, -LD and -D
were at first pronounced and, progressively (more slowly in the South) were not
pronounced any more.

However, someone who would have kept a spelling closer to the original
spelling and pronounciation, i.e. ARNOLD, would have gone on pronouncing the -D.

My guess is that a guy named ARNOLD kept his original-like spelling because he
was from a place where Frankish and/or German language went on being used, i.e.
East and North-East of France (roughly Alsace-Lorraine), or from Normandy (if I
remember well, ARNOLD was a common first name among the Normans). If he was a
nobleman, the original spelling would have been preserved better, and, indeed,
D'ARNOLD suggests a noble origin (equivalent to VON ARNOLD in Germany; in
French, DE ... is replaced, in front of a vowel, by D'...).

The first thing to do is to check whether the name is listed in the famous book
of French genealogies, by... E. ARNAUD (!!!): "Repertoire des Genealogies
Francaises Imprimees" (1986). Alas, I have no time these days to go to a major
library, but maybe, if you don't have access to this book, someone else in
France will be able to check.

Good luck !

Jean Paul Rigaut               University of Paris 7, Paris, France
rigaut@frurbb51
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From: rikv@rikv.mentorg.com (Rik Vigeland)
Subject: Where is Radzwilla? 
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 16:25:56 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I am looking for a town named Radzwilla, or at least that's
how it was pronounced.  It is likely in Poland, but could
now be in Ukraine or perhaps one of the Balkan states.  If
it is Polish, the spelling could be more like "Raczwilla" ??

I am helping my aunt search for the Spekter/Spector family.

Rik Vigeland
rikv@mentorg.com
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:43:04 EST
Reply-To:     C0150@VMCMS.CSUOHIO.EDU
From:         C0150@VMCMS.CSUOHIO.EDU
Comments: To: roots-l%ndsuvm1.bitnet@VMCMS.CSUOHIO.EDU

    Hello fellow rooters,

    I have just started tracing my family so the amount of information I
    is minimal and very sketchy.

    Edward Joseph Smith was born in Saxony Germany in 1865(approx)
    eventually moving to Canada.  He married Hattie (Harriet, Hariet)
    Cayley.  Hattie was born in 1865 in Ontario, Canada, her parents
    were from England.  A more specific birthplace for Hattie might
    be Oshawa, Ontario, Canada.  Edward and Hattie had 9 children.
    According to the 1910 census, son Harry was born in Canada and the
    rest were born in Cleveland, Ohio.  It is speculated that they
    traveled from Canada thru Michigan and finally settled in Cleveland
    in the early 1900's.  Immigration date might have been 1893 for both
    Edward and Hattie.  Both Hattie and Edward were born before the
    official registration of births for the province, unfortunately.

    According to the "Directory of the Province of Ontario 1857" there
    are several Cayley's listed.  One of which is William, who in another
    reference book was said to have 11 children, the name were not
    listed though.  He lived from 1807- 1890, so it is possible that
    there is a connection there.  William's obit might be in the
    Toronto Daily Mail, Feb 24-27 1890.

    Is there anyone who might be able to help me with a long distance
    search.  I don't know if the little tidbits of information that I
    have will get me very far.  What I would like is something a little
    more concrete.  Maybe someone has other reference books on Ontario
    families that might shed a little light.

    If anyone has any information please write me at the address below.

    Thanks,

    Linda Hager
    Information Services & Technology
    Cleveland State University
    C0150@CSUOHIO  ----Bitnet
    C0150@VMCMS.CSUOHIO.EDU --- Internet
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:44:42 -0600
Reply-To:     "Nancy W. Grady" <gradynw@ORNL.GOV>
From:         "Nancy W. Grady" <gradynw@ORNL.GOV>
Subject:      re: McClung Library
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

The hours of the McClung Library in Knoxville, TN are:

Mon and Tues  9-8:30
Wed to Fri    9-5:30
Sunday        1-5

Sorry, they are closed on Saturday.


Nancy W. Grady
(615)574-4330
gradynw@ornl.gov
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: the name "Darnold"
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:46:00 GMT

In my mother's family I have found an ancestor whose maiden
name is "Darnold".  I haven't found this name ANYWHERE else.
I suspect it may be French in that I might have originally
been D'Arnold, but I am just guessing.

1) Has anyone even heard of the name Darnold and if so what do
you know about it?

2) Is there such a name as D'Arnold?

Should it actually be D'Arnold, the French would have pronounced
it without the final "d" making the pronunciation like "Darnal".

Any opinions?

Suggestions?

By the way, this is in North Carolina in the early half of the
1800's.

Thanks

Tammy
lib1p@jetson.uh.edu

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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:08:26 -0500
Reply-To:     "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Ontario help
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Reply to: usr9428a@tso.uc.edu

I recently received a somewhat aged address book which had been kept
by a deceased cousin.  To my great surprise some of our Finnish
cousins had made it to Canada.  Since these addresses are most
likely pretty old could somebody with access to an address or phone
book for Grimsby, Ont., do me the favor and check the following for
me?

        Ensio Eneberg
        R.R. 1
        Grimsby, Ont.

Thanks,
Helmut
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: CIG groups in Europe?
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:05:18 GMT


This question is solely aimed at the readers in Europe. Could you
please give me addresses you know about for different CIG groups
in your country. The Scandinavian CIG groups want to know for
later correspondence and international conferences arrangements.

You may reply using soc.roots/Roots-L since that will give an
extra media to exchange addresses so everyone is mensioned, plus
there will be an extra backup. These addresses is of general
interest to many readers.

We would also like to know addresses of the equivalents to the
american National Genealogical Society.

Please fill in the addresses you have:

France:

Great Britain:

Ireland:

Germany:

Iceland:

Faroeyr:

Netherland:

Belgium:

Luxembourg:

Spain:

Portugal:

Italy:

Switzerland:

Austria:

Hungary:

Slovakia

Tcheck:

Poland:

Ukraina:

Russland:

Estonia:

Latvia:

Lithuania:

Greece:

Turkey:

Slovakia:

Serbia:

Croatia:

Herzegovina:

Others: (I surely have forgotten many big countries in Europe.
It's a shame, but my mind is out of gear at moment)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Saturday, 7 Nov 1992 19:45:10 MST
From: Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Where is Radzwilla?

Wasn't there a Princess Radzwilla in British history who became
a writer or something? As I recall she was also a philanthropist,
but I'm VERY fuzzy on the details. Are you conencted with ARLEN SPECTOR
Congressman of Penna?
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:26:00 MST
Reply-To:     MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET
From:         MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Novinger

Frank Novinger is in Mesa, Arizona, according to the March 1991-2 phonebook.

There also used to be a W. A. Motzart in the book a couple years ago, but only
a W. Motzart this time around. :-)

Bill MCBRAYER@SMC.MARICOPA.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:14:52 -0500
Reply-To:     clarridge%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU
From:         clarridge%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU
Subject:      Re: Just Starting...
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Comments: cc: CLARRIDGE@ns.umb.edu

Geez Fred,

Aren't all tips kinda personal and arbitrary?

I don't think people should be flamed for doing their best to help a fellow
traveller.  Your message had a bit of a hard edge to it.  I have been
helped by all of the original responder's suggestions... and yours too.
That is the point of asking a lot of people... you get lots of different
perspectives.

I thought your response READ like  you were putting down the original sender.
But I have seen enough of your other responses to know that isn't true.

There is plenty of room for differing views on the net.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: vicki@qualcomm.com (Vicki Hutchison)
Subject: Mining companies
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 01:50:00 GMT

There's been a lot of information recently on tracking people who 
worked for the railroad companies.  I was wondering if there is 
any way to find out about people who worked for mining companies.  
In particular, my G-G Grandfather worked for the Union Mining 
Company in Pennsylvania in the 1860's.

Thanks,
Vicki Hutchison
vicki@qualcomm.com

Searching: Hutchison, Hathaway, Colburn, Morgan, Allgire, Starr, 
	   Love, Frazer and more..
Vicki Hutchison
vicki@qualcomm.com
ucsd!qualcom!vicki
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:29:01 PST
Reply-To:     Marie Vierra <vierra%alishaw@HUB.UCSB.EDU>
From:         Marie Vierra <vierra%alishaw@HUB.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      a 'newie rootie'
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this service so please bear with me.  I have two
questions:

Question 1 - Does anyone know how to get results from the
Immigration and Naturalization Service?  I sent them requests
on 7 family members (including all the proper paperwork), and
they sent me 7 letters saying `...yes, the file exists, but we
can't find it....oops'  I've since been engaged in a constant
paper war with them for my information, and I'm losing the war.
Any suggestions???

Question 2 - has anyone conducted searches in the Azores Islands
(near Portugal)?  Any helpful hints?

Thanks

Marie
vierra@alishaw.ucsb.edu
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: AWK for Genealogy
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 08:28:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

Has anyone used AWK, in either its MS-DOS or Unix versions, for genealogy?

Could it be used to read and manipulate a GEDCOM file? 

Would anyone be willing to post an AWK program that could do this?



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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FHC in MO or KS?
From: fairburn@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:31:41 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

Hello,   first of all, I want to thank all of those who helped with my search
for Novinger(I got about 30 replies and discoverd 20 new relatives).  Now, one
more question.   Does anyone know if there is a Family history Center anywhere
near either Kirksville, MO or Lawrence, KS.    Thanks again.            					
					jason@ku
					Jason Novinger
					fairburn@oread.cc.ukans.edu
From: JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Joe Gardner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: McClung Library
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:41:05 GMT
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Reply-To: Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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I'll be in Knoxville for a conference later this week. Could some
kind soul tell me if the McClung Library is open on Saturdays?
Would also appreciate any hints on how best to exploit its
resources. (Cliff, maybe you can help me here.)

Many thanks,

Joe Gardner
jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu
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From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on Novinger family
Followup-To: soc.roots
Summary: FOUND IN NORTHEAST 
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:53:39 GMT

In article <9211051448.AA12108@tin.monsanto.com> "Kathy O'Meara Magnuson 708/982-4596 1825/A-1W" <omeara@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM> writes:
>>the surname *Novinger*...it is a very rare name...and originally settled in
>>pennsylvania before moving to northeastern Missouri.  thanks again.   jason@ku

>Just FYI, no NOVINGER'S seem to have moved even further northeast. 

Sorry if the attributions above are wrong; tried...

1)From the June 1985 New Jersey Bell Telephone Company White Pages for
  Cape May . Ocean City . Wildwood . and vicinity:

   Novinger, JD   753 Sunrise Drv Avl (Avalon, NJ)   (609) 967-7347

2)From the April 1990 New Jersey Bell Telephone Company White Pages for
  Plainfield . Somerville area

   Novinger, L    417 Union Ave, Middlesex, NJ        (908) 563-6863

These from about half a dozen phone books I have laying around (mostly
out of date).  Hope this helps!!

Ed Leihy NCR(an AT$T Company)
5000 Hadley Road
S Plainfield, NJ  07080