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From: c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...)
Subject: Re: Australia - Poland Semifinal Result
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:03:07 GMT


> 	And, as a matter of fact, how far and often does Australia travel? Cor-
> rect me if I am wrong, but Australia, after winning its local group has to play
> one elimination game against a South American or European team. If this is true
  	Rest assured I have all respect for Australian soccer, irrespective of
> the reasons which precluded its presence to the WC finals.
> 
We are correcting you again because Australia has to play a CONCAF nation,
then a South American nation after it qualifies from its group and if it
beats the winner of Oceania's group(looks like it will be New Zealand)

Mick
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Geoff Thomas goes to Blackburn Rovers
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:50:23 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Aug13.113851.4046@syma.sussex.ac.uk> mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin) writes:
>Geoff Thomas has apparently moved to Blackburn Rovers for a bargain
>basement price of something in excess of 3 million pounds.

According to today's newspapers this report is premature. Apparently
Ron Noades has said that he may consider selling Thomas, but only if
the price is high enough and if Thomas himself requests the transfer.

-- 
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BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Quick run down on Scottish Premier league
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:55:52 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug12.090708.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <24767@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
 
>>   Celtic -  Unusual though it may seem, Celtic's strength lies in their
>>  defence - which man for man is probably the best in the league now. 
>>  With a bit of nerve they can win the league but lack of pace up front
>>  and a heavy dependence on McStay means they could make heavy weather of
>>  beating poorer teams.
>>  Lg - 1st   Lg C - Finalists     Scottish Cup - Semis
>    ^^^^^^^^
> 
> Was this written before or after the Motherwell game ? Best defence in the 
> league ? Don't think so, especially after watching a daft goal being conceded
> on Saturday.  Maybe Brady will get a few more bob to spend now that 
> Cambuslang is a merely a dream. (Well it always was). Naw, I think you're being
> a bit optimistic here. With the same squad of players as last season and
> no-one interested in the out-of-contract players, then it'll be the same as
> last season. Sorry !!!
> 

I take back everything I've said Gerry. Now that Deeek Whyte and Chris Morris
have gone to Middlesbrough in exchange for Andy Payton plus some dosh I think
Celtic have certainly strengthened their defence. I gather some of this money
will be used to buy Stuart Slater from West Ham. Is he the famous striker 
who scored 2 goals last season ??

Talking of strikers on the move Chelsea have got a good signing in John Spencer
from Rangers for 450 000 pounds. He never made it to the Rangers first team
but always banged in a lot of goals for the reserves. It was only the form
of SAlly and Hateley which has kept him out. He will be joined by another
ex-Ranger at Chelsea, Robert Fleck who's signed from Norwich. Maybe they'll
provide some chances for Tony CantScoreAGoal.
 
 Sandy Mackinnon
 Univ of Strathclyde
 Glasgow
 cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Soccer on Prime and Sports Channel
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:27:47 GMT
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Prime Network will continue this year with their ever expanding lineup
of soccer programming, in which it will soon pass SCA in showing the most
soccer on TV.

Prime will again be showing the Soccer Internation Magazine show.  It is
a half hour pure highlight show of various leagues around the world.
They will also be showing full English League Matches starting August 20.
Prime will also focus on different areas of the country for college soccer.
I am sure to see alot of Big east games again this year with the primary
focus on UCONN.

Sportschannel America, not to be outdone, has started a campaign called "Route
to 94".  Last night I watched the second leg of the Honduras Guatamala match.
It seems like they will be showing a qualifying game every Thursday night.

Sportschannel is also showing, and I believe this is the first time ever, the
United States Youth National Cahmpionship game.  They will be showing the
U19 game.  Check local listings for times and dates. SportsChannel New England
will be showing the game tonight.

I still haven't figured out whether SportsChannel will be showing the English
League Highlights again this year.  I think they are getting kind of sick of
me hounding them all the time but I'll find out and post the results.

And for those of you lucky enough to be in the Boston Area, RAI will continue
again this year to show one Italian League game every Sunday Morining live.

i am also expecting more out of the Futbal Telemundo show that I have just
starting getting now that some of the leagues are getting started.

I know its hard for some people but I am lucky enough that I have 5 different
stations that show soccer on a regular basis.  It would be nice if ESPN would
join the fray and keep broacasting shows like the German Highlight show that
was on last year.

Andy
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 & New Rules
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:26:09 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

In article <1992Aug14.103639.27500@cam-orl.co.uk> fs@cam-orl.co.uk (Ferdi Samaria) writes:

>Hi Michal,

Hello Ferdi,
 
>                    (...) If two teams manage to end up in a draw after
>120 minutes of playing, it is fair to say that they are quite level. You
>need a way of having a winner. Yes, penalties are equivalent (almost)
>to throwing a coin, except they are incredibly exciting. When I watch a
>game as a neutral observer, I always hope it will end with to penalty kicks.
>Don't you ?

No. I hope to see exciting soccer during those 90 or 120 minutes instead.
And generally, I like not only *fun* as a spectator, but also *justice*.
I like to be sure that the better team won. The level of world soccer
is getting more and more uniform and there must be found a way to
provide *just*, not random solutions of world competitions.
Soccer must decide, not penalties! There was a time when in case
of a draw after 120 minutes, the match was repeated the day after.
Yes, yes, I know it had plenty of disadvantages (BTW, what are they?),
but it has one fundamental advantage: it is JUST. Soccer decides,
not chance. I think we should go back to those good ol'rules.

>I mean to say that FIFA, in order to attract more people to the games,
>might (is already) contemplate the idea of modifying the rules to please 
>a non-soccer audience. And that idea really disturbs me.

Well, if this is true, it is really sad. Anyway, there will
be still something after 1994, so don't cry. :-)

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Under 17 News
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:13:13 GMT

Our lads have a tough road ahead of them to qualify for the U17 World Cup.

They have been very strong in warmup matches.  They beat an older and bigger
team, Denmark 3-1 in an exhibition game on July 22 before 5000 in Virginia.
Denmark averaged two years on our boys which is huge at this age.  The US had
an average of 15 years and the Danes had an average of 17 years.

Right now Roy Rees, the U17 coach, has not seen the same spirit of his 
previous National Team.  That was the wonderful team that beat Italy, China,
and Argentina before losing in the semis.  Roy does however believe that this
team is more talented.  They seem to have other problems such as a lack of
leadership and they also seem to have trouble being away from home, according
to Rees.  Although I wonder how much he is bending the truth.  This team won
the prestigious Montaigu Tournament this spring in France.  They will head down
to Cuba this month to begin qualifying.  I'm not sure how this works but
I think it is all decided in one tournament who will get the seeds.  The US has
drawn Honduras, Guatemala, and the Netherland Antilles as first round opponents
If they advance ot the second round they expect to meet Mexico, Cuba and Canada

Only the US, Brazil, Australia have advanced to the finals of the first four
U17 World Cups.



Andy
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 14:29:13 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: QUESTION: Anyone posts Bulgarian Soccer Championship Results?


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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 15 Aug 1992 14:10:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Lars,
It is hardly a "free" spot for the holder-- they won the World Cup.
Also, Europe had 14 teams in Italia '90.  For 1994 they only
get 12 spots, plus one for Germany.
Ken S.
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Small point
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:41:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug18.133809.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:> 
> 	I was in the pub last week and ended up talking to well know erse-hole 
> Gerry McNee and he gave me an ***exclusive*** on the signing-on package this
> new Albanian, Rudi Vata has received. Apparently it includes a Zonecard to
> cover 3 zones (Peter Grant only ever got 2 zones), a single-end in Dennistoun,
> some left over Mo Johnston shell suits when he got knicked for resetting them
> and 30 pounds a week.  All in all this seems like luxury compared to Tirana
> although when he saw Parkhead he thought he was back in Tirana.
> 
> 
> Sandy Mackinnon
> University of Strathclyde
> Glasgow
> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
> 
>
What about the Family Card, Sandy? Or did Terry insist he payed for his own?

I thought MOJOKE took all the shell suits to MIM FC Corporate Buildings, to be
handed out among the other crims at that squeaky clean establishment
(Ian,EEAN,Shandy,DELboy(now doing time at Hertz) etc)

Quote- "Ah've gote kebab sauce aw o'er ma noo shell soot", Any of above

Pity a visit to a decent barbers wasn't part of Rudi's deal!

Chris
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Predictions - English League
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:40:00 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

In article <1992Aug17.071526.50236@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au>, psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:

> If anyone would still like to make a prediction, then send it in
> quickly.

Arsenal to be relegated from the premier league before easter.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen)
Subject: Finnish League, 23rd round
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:45:08 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


	Finnish League, 23rd round, 13th August:


FC Oulu		0-1	FC Kuusysi	(0-0)		1 460
			68. Kimmo Tarkkio

FC Ilves 	4-0	FC Haka		(1-0)		3 073
41. Kari Rissanen
48. Mika Halmetniemi
59. Luciano Martins
74. Seppo Nikkil{

KuPS		1-0	MyPa		(1-0)		1 753
22. Mika Grohn

MP		2-0	FC Jazz		(1-0)		1 006
 7. George Lawrence
85. Juha Karvinen

RoPS		3-1	Jaro		(1-1)		1 373
36. Vasili Karatajev	40. Timo Kivilompolo
64. Stuart Beards
65. Ari Tegelberg

TPS		2-1	HJK		(1-1)		1 718
 3. Marko Rajamaki	44. Jari Vanhala
65. Rajamaki


Table:
                             GP    W   T   L    GF     GA     PTS

 1.  FC Kuusysi (Lahti)      23   15   2   6    38     21      47
 2.  FC Jazz (Pori)          23   13   6   4    46     30      45
 3.  HJK (Helsinki)          23   13   3   7    43     30      42
 4.  MyPa (Myllykoski)       23   10   7   6    35     18      37
 5.  Jaro (Pietarsaari)      23    9   6   8    28     27      33
 6.  RoPS (Rovaniemi)        23    9   4  10    37     34      31
 7.  TPS (Turku)             23    8   7   8    24     21      31
 8.  FC Haka (Valkeakoski)   23    8   5  10    26     41      29
 9.  FC Ilves (Tampere)      23    8   3  12    33     36      27
10.  KuPS (Kuopio)           23    6   5  12    26     37      23
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11.  FC Oulu                 23    6   3  14    27     47      21
======================================================================
12.  MP (Mikkeli)            23    6   3  14    20     41      21


Top goalscorers:

17: Ismo Lius (HJK)
16: Luis Antonio (FC Jazz)
10: Kimmo Tarkkio (FC Kuusysi), Jukka Turunen (MyPa)
    and Saku Laaksonen (FC Jazz)
 9: Ari Hjelm (FC Ilves) and Marko Rajamaki (TPS)
 8: Kai Nyyssonen (FC Haka), Pasi Tauriainen (HJK), Mauri
    Keskitalo (MyPa), Jari Vanhala (HJK) and Ari
    Tegelberg (RoPS)

 
	Next matches 16th August: FC Haka-FC Oulu, HJK-KuPS, Jaro-FC Ilves,
				  FC Jazz-TPS, FC Kuusysi-RoPS, MyPa-MP
From: EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:00:38 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <2A8A04D9.3542@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>
>Well.  What can I say, Carlos?
>It is too bad that Maradona will always be the best player in the world
>whether some people like it or not.
>
Always? Have you ever heard of a guy called PELE, aka "the athlete of
the 20th century"?  Pele was not only a better player than Diego
Armando (not Armendo) Maradona, but he had  something Maradona never had
or will have: CLASS.

>If we want to be objective, no single football (I hate to say soccer) in
>the world come even close to Argentina if you want to look at the last
>14 years.  They won it in 1978.  They more than deserved it in 1986.
>They were runner-up in 1990.  They were in three out of the last four
>final match of the world cup.  It would be a much better idea for
>people to look at facts before they talk so that they don't make fool
>out of themselves.
>
No team has come even close? Argentina is the greatest? Make a fool
out of ourselves?  Have you ever heard about Germany?   Champs in '74,
finalists in'82 & '86 and champs in 1990. (4 out of 5)  Not even close
to matching Argentina?


>The fact they think they are European and superior is not of anyone's
>business.  Lots of them have European origions.  Boy, I had never known that
>this was something to be ashamed of until I read your posting.         rian,

 Thinking that you are superior because of the color of the skin or your
origins, is something to be ashamed of.  It is a form of racism for your
information.

                                                           Let us just look
>at facts before we talk cuz this will get other people to respect us.

This is the only truth in your article, however you don't practice it.
"Do as I say not as I do."
***********************************************************************
Carlos Escobar
E-Mail:EC33@LAFAYACS.BITNET
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:27:21 GMT

In article <9208182208.AA16911@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>More clarifications on South America in recent World Cups:
>1982:  Peru tied Cameroon, tied Italy, and lost (badly) to Poland.  They
>did not advance to the second round.  Neither did Chile (in a groups
>with W.Germany, Austria, and Algeria).  Argentina and Brazil advanced
>and were both eliminated by Italy in one of the group's of three teams.

To be fair you should explicitly say, that Peru lost to Poland 1:5,
and Chile lost all its matches, both becoming the last teams in
their groups.

>1986:  Everyone knows about Argentina and Brazil.  Paraguay was in
>the group with Mexico, Belgium, and Iraq.  They finished third and 
>advanced to the group of 16, beaten by England (2-0 I believe).  Urugay
>was with W. Germany, Denmark, and Scotland.  They also advanced to
>the round of 16, and lost 1-0 to Argentina.

If you quote the tiny defeat of 0:1 to Argentina, maybe you should
also quote Uruguay's 1:6 against Denmark? And, to be exact, Paraguay
lost to England 0:3, not just 0:2.

>1990:  Colombia was with W.Germany, Yugoslavia, and United Arab
>Emirates, finished third, and lost 2-1 to Cameroon in the round
>of 16.  Uruguay was with Belgium, Spain, and South Korea.  They finished
>third and lost 2-0 to Italy in the next round.

Note, that neither of these 2 South American teams has won
any single match with an European team. So, who still
thinks that South America is under-represented in WC finals?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are my opinions. Quite predictable.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                      Love is all you need..."

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 & New Rules
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:51:31 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <Bsvs1n.4o6@apollo.hp.com> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.130906.6572@cam-orl.co.uk> fs@cam-orl.co.uk (Ferdi Samaria) writes:
>>
>   <much debate rule changes and boring WC '90 deleted for brevity>
>>
>>I have no objections to change, it just worries me that the present tendency
>>to modify the existing rules is not a consequence of Italy 90 but of USA 94.
>
>blame to place, place it squarely on FIFA's shoulders, not ours.  To paraphrase the 
>infamous John Bigbooty, "It ain't our damned rules committe, monkey-boy."  
>
Agreed the blame lies entirely on FIFA, who some of us are afraid, will in 
order to make these championships a success (monetarily) for THEM have little 
remorse changing a few more rules in the next years. It's not the USs fault, 
but some of us feel it's because it's played there, that we have these FIFA 
rule decisions.

Anyhow, Saturday it's "VfL Bochum vs. Borussia Dortmund". The boring last
three months are over!!

Nat!
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From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ahem
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:29:23 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


   Aww dear aww dear aww dear. One slight breath of reason and the Huns
are foaming at the mouth. Plus a wee bit of mental abuse from Scott
Nisbet lookalike Wacko Jacko which I must, if only to balance things up
address. 

   A Fairweather supporter - I am not and I claim this on the grounds
                             that it was raining at Celtic Park on
                             Saturday - and I got wet. 

   10 pounds for Ibrox tickets - Well the damage alleged to have been
                             done by Celtic fans in March was estimated
                             at 11,000 pounds. 2 x 7,500 = 15,000       
                             pounds - so it looks like Murray owes us
                             4 grand! Ah never mind, us penniless
                             immigrants are used to injustice.

   Uz raving Tims at Ibrox  - Been there twice, paid my money, sat in my
                              seat, was polite to the police, said "oh
                              gosh" when our hosts gave us a version of
                              "The Sash", washed my hands in the gents
                              went home (well the pub actually). Follow
                              Follow, once coined the phrase "Few
                              genuine fans" to describe follower of
                              Celtic - well that's their attitude
                              problem. You don't have to bring religion
                              into it to be a bigot.

    When Saturday Comes -   Whatever the result, Celtic are the better
side and should not have too many fears over Rangers - however a defeat 
would damage Rangers' morale for weeks and leave them 3 points behind
with a more difficult set of matches ahead. Celtic are clearly sharper
at the moment and their players have a stronger understanding. I know
a lot is made of the fact that Rangers have the backbone of the Scotland
defence, but I personally don't rate the Scotland defence at all!
Rangers' will be infinitely more disciplined than they were last
Saturday and Celtic certainly won't be anywhere near as cavaliering as
Dundee were which suggests a low scoring game.
                            I've been wrong in the past but I'll stick
my neck out and say that Celtic will not lose and might even win with
ease. 12 months ago a settled Rangers side hammered a disjointed and 
ill at ease Celtic side at Parkhead. A role reversal looks on the cards
this time.

    Alastair Dogget    - Who the hell asked you!!!!

      Allez Les Vertes

                 Gerry
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:12:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.010054.21273@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
 
> Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
>       Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I always think that the name of MIM FC, once known as the "Famous" Glasgow
Rangers, sits rather uncomfortably beside these other teams well known for
their attractive style of football ;-).

Chris
From: gsmcd09@castle.ed.ac.uk (K Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: THAT NEW FIFA BACKPASS RULE - HOW TO BEAT IT!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:32:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

efsv02@castle.ed.ac.uk (M J Brewer) writes:

>So, keepers are no longer allowed to handle the ball played back to him
>deliberately with the feet by a team-mate.

>With a teensy bit of skill, there is a way round this ruling:

>A defender, wishing to pass back to his keeper, and with no opposing players
>*too* near, can simply chip the ball up with his feet (little bit of skill
>required here) and then head/chest the ball to his goalie.
>The referee would surely be powerless to do anything about it.

>Some player will think of this soon: reports of such an incident taking place
>will be appreciated.

>Mark Brewer,  Edinburgh

Recent FIFA circular says this is to be considered ungentlemanly
conduct and any player trying it should be booked. You can not lie down
to head it either. Interesting point is that if a player does try any of
the above he should be booked even if the goalkeeper does not handle the
ball.
 
Keith Franklin
Edinburgh Uni.