From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: All mind and no heart?
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:24:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr11.142458.3124
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <1992Apr11.092712.2021@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:


>It would also be well to ask yourself the question:  "If she changed the things
>I'm urging her to change, what other changes would be entailed?  Would she
>still be a person I'd be likely to love?"  For, you see, I suspect that one of
>the reasons she's reluctant to make the changes that you think would be good
>for her is that, in her opinion, to do so would require changing things that
>she really DOES like about herself.  Everything's connected.  Let me give you
>an example.  I used to be a manic-depressive.  Until the REAL reason for my
>manic-depression (diabetes) was diagnosed, the only treatment for the problem
>appeared to be drugs that, in the course of getting rid of the depressive
>episodes, would also have eliminated the manic episodes.  And, from talking to
>people who'd used such drugs, and reading the literature about such cases, it
>was pretty obvious to me that such a course of treatment would have effectively
>tken about 20 points off my IQ (dropping it to about 150).  Faced with those
>two alternatives, manic-drpression looked to me like the better choice.  Yes,
>it was painful, but the benefits just didn't seem worth the cost.  Please
>consider that your girlfriend might see herself facing a similar dilemma.

"this is very interesting," says kitten...still paying close attention
to john's neck..."some of you know my t.c.....he is a manic-depressive
(and it has nothing to do with dieabetes )...for years he self
medicated...caffiene, tobacco, alcohol, non-legal drugs....went
through two wives and hurt himself and his children badly.

he quit drinking and smoking cigarettes....dope isn't available any
more and he had to cut way back on caffiene...and he kept getting
wilder and wilder...i put my foot down and he went to the doctor....

right now, he is on the lowest dose of norpramine he can take...so he
still cycles, but not as badly as before.  he still feels like his iq
is lower than it was and he misses the creativity he gets when he is
manic... although, the lower the dosage the more he gets the creativity...

i don't know whether i had the right to f*ck with his karma (you guys
have all heard me use THAT phrase before) by insisting that he
change...or not.  but i am happier, and he is (mostly) happier...so in
this case i think the means justifies the ends...

and he has been off cigarettes for 5 or 6 years and sober for 10 (as
of last april fools day) and we are STILL together, which is a miracle
in itself....7 years and counting...."

kitten realizes that the soapboxes have moved her away from john's
neck...so she hops down and starts rubbing again.
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

"kittens today are not properly trained--the way that they were when
victoria reigned." asparagus (gus: the theatre cat)
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