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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MY MATCHES! (was Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:05:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <131252@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:


>When all you sissies Back East have finished stroking your egos, you can
>come out here and tackle some Real Men, Adam!!
>
>...excuse me, while I go line up a good orthopedic surgeon :)
>
>-- Don (16.5625" arms) Roberts
>--
>   Don Roberts
>   dwr@llnl.gov

Watch it, Stick!  :-)  I guess I didn't tell you I might be making a trip out
to Arizona with one of my brothers in the next year.  WATCH OUT!

Me?  Have an ego?  ABSOLUTELY!

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Subject: Vanadyl Sulfate & Gaba
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:54:12 GMT

Does anybody know anything about either of these supplemetns, either
Gaba or Vanadyl Sulfate. I have heard greatthings about t he both of
them. Please send mail, but here is fine too. Thanks!

-Mike

-- 
Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Help me gain ten pounds!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.083034.207@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu>, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
> In article <2178558@overmind.citadel>, uunet.edu!csfb1!dwarren@overmind.mind.org writes:
> > Hi.  I'm a reasonably new reader of this group, and I was hoping to get
> > some advice.  I recently shifted from Nautilus to free weights and here
> >   I apologize for not knowing all of the exact names of the exercises.
> >   I add situps and crunches often.  Not much leg work due to time 
> > constraints.
[....]
> in sight, I guarantee that what you put on will not be muscle.  Also, I'm not
> sure what your metabolizm is like but you may want to cut back on the aerobic
> work.  I could be wrong; just a suggestion.
> 

I personally would try starting with light squats to get used to
them and then go to a few sets of low-rep heavy squats and maybe
deadlifts.  I realize some don't feel comfortable with these, but
Arthur Jones has a theory about "generalization" that basically
says that working a single muscle group has a general toning/bulking
effect on all other muscles in the body.  A possible explanation is
the release of some kind of growth hormone in the muscle that enters
the bloodstream.  He used the example of working legs and seeing an
increase in arm/other muscle size.  Now, there can be other explanations
for this, but the legs are large muscles and I'd expect a significant
effect from working this group.  Personally, I cut back on legs and 
focus on machines/light squats because my legs tend to be too large.
Squats and deadlifts did add a lot of bulk all over when I did them.
Paricularly low-rep, of course.  It's worth a try.  A side benefit
it that deadlifts and squats are great power-builders, and when you
recover from the workout, you feel like you could fly.

GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to my Powerlifting Sig
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:36:01 GMT

In article <14619@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>Ron,
>
>	Remember, I'm going up to Boston in August, so put up or shut up.
>I've always wanted to say that, and now I've done it across the whole net.
>I'm going to post a list of the people I'm going to take on up there in Boston.
>These people can then post to the net whether they won or not.  It will
>certainly be NOT!  :-)
>

I'll be *waiting* - with bells on!  (though it sounds really corny, I've
always wanted to say *that*).

Are wrist braces allowed?

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: *
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.153946.50121@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>>From: SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU!kji+@overmind.mind.org
>>Subject: Re:LOOK at what Art Wittman did...
>
>You're easily threatened.

 And you're not.
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: high-protein meal before or after workout?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:49:30 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul27.141329.4672@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu () says:
> 
>>      You should eat a high protein meal on days you lift weights yes, but you
>>      also want to eat a faily good amount of protein on your days off, because
>>      on the days that you rest is when your body does most of its rebuilding.
>>      I was told not to worry about consuming the complex carbs so quickly after
>>      your workout, because your body will eventually refuel itself by breaking
>>      down its fat stores and converting them to glycogen which is what fuels
>>      your muscles.
> 
> However, I read in a recent issue of Muscle and Fitness that if you
> consume complex carbs soon after a workout, your muscles will store more
> glycogen.  About 150% times what would otherwise be stored, if I recall
> correctly.
> 
> Also, if you consume a lot of protein immediately after working out, it
> would tend to be converted to glycogen as well.  At least, that's what I
> read.
> 
> Can someone shed some light on this?
> 
> -- 
> Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU
> 
> "If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
>  an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.


NO!  Protein does not get converted to glycogen.  Only carbohydrates get 
converted to glycogen.  Protein can act as fuel for the body by going through
the Kreb's Cycle, but there are so many uses for protein in the body(rebuilding,
enzyme synthesis, etc.),that the use of protein for fuel is an extremely low
priority in the body.  The body breaks down fat stores and converts the fat
to glycogen via the liver.  This glycogen is then stored in either the liver, or
the muscles.  The glycogen stored in the liver is used universally throughout
the body.  The muscle glycogen is used strictly in the muscle to fuel the 
muscle.  When the muscle glycogen is depleted, the muscle no longer is capable
of performing the same amount of work until it is refueled.

Rob
Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:17:07 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul27.154240.5412@nrao.edu>, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.075428.210@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul26.152526.16378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko) writes:
>>> 
>>> Anyone know any good shoulder exerices with dumbbells?
>>> -- 
>>> 	It may not be today, or tomorrow but the truth will comeout.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  AH238@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU                            --------->>>>>>>>>>JAZ
>>
>>Military presses, front and rear deltoids, and shrugs.  Instead of describing
>>them step by step, go to your nearest magazine rack and flip through a copy
>>of Flex, Muscle Fitness, Mass, or Men's Fitness magazines.  This month's issue
>>of Muscle and Fitness has an article showing Shaun Ray working the shoulders.
>>
>>Rob
> 
> Shrugs are for your trapezoids..
> 
> /lex

Yes, your absolutely correct, however, your "trapezoids" anatomically are part
of your back and shoulder.  The traps are what give you that rectangular look
on each side of your shoulder.  Usually, most people work their traps on the 
days that they are working their shoulders.

Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@berra.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: LOOK at what Art Wittmann did to my Powerlifting Sig
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:37:43 GMT

In article <14450@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <Jul.14.12.11.05.1992.9178@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>
>>Adam, my power rack just arrived, so we could also have a *squat*
>>contest.  Oh, I forgot, working your legs is against your religion.
>>
>>That felt *so* good.  Heh.
>
>Alright, Smart Ass.  I've been working my legs now, so watch out!  I get
>strong quickly without a lot of size increases, so don't be surprised when
>I'm squating more than you in December (or maybe earlier).
>
>I've had enough of the, "I'm better than you!" crap.  I'm not just all talk.
>I'll do it.  I WILL be the squat king!  :-)  If my shoulder holds up, I'll
>also be out benching you again.  Ha!  All at 162 pounds of pure semi-rock hard
>muscle.  I'll even have abs in a couple of months at the rate I'm going.
>
>							-Adam
>
>-- 
>     **********************************************************************
>     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>     **********************************************************************

Will you 2 girly-men give it a rest!

We all know I could kick both your asses!

Ron
From: obrien@sparc28.hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Better POSTURE
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


I work in an office all day, and I have to make a consious
effort to sit up right in my chair. I have noticed that I
don't stand up straight, and it makes me look like I have
a big gut. But I don't. If I stand up straight (a consious effort)
I don't get this effect.

Does anyone know of some good techniques, or exercises that will
help me improve my posture ?


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From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: EXERCISE POLL
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:26:24 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <13182@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, stever@toptech.East.Sun.COM (Steve Rosenthal  Sun Microsystems  Tampa FL  Field Engineering) writes:
> 
>      Hello TO All You Health Conscious People,
> 
> 
> 
>         I'm putting this blurb on the Internet as a " POLL " to find out
>  how many people would be interested in what I have in mind.
> 
>         How many of you are looking for that exercise that will NOT ONLY
>  TONE YOUR BODY but will also GET RID OF THOSE FLABBY STOMACH MUSCLES and
>  UNWANTED HANDLEBARS ? It will also benefit your circulation through your
>  whole body and give you a cardiovascular workout all at the same time.
> 
>         " YOU CONTROL " the amount of power exerted and also the speed and
>  intensity of your own workout. Once you get to your desired goal then you 
>  can intensify your workout and get real good definition and a " GREAT CUT
>  LOOKING MIDSECTION ".
> 
>         The great thing about this workout is that it's for everyone. 
>  Overweight people who are trying to change their physical appearanceand get
>  rid of that tired feeling. Athletic people who are trying to stay tone but 
>  also want that " CUT LOOKING MIDSECTION ". And for those who are PHYSICALLY 
>  LIMITED to a LIGHTER WORKOUT.
> 
>         Please give me a response of yeh, neh on this for your interest level.
> 
>   I'm sorry for not being able to give any more detail on what type of workout
>  I am speaking of, but good things are worth waiting for!!
> 
> 
> 
>                                                             Sincerely Yours,
>                                                             Steven Rosenthal


Is this another grapefruit pill diet from the Enquirer (sp?)????
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: chiropractors
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:16:59 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I have gone to chiropractors off and on when I had back problems.  I think
that getting in good shape and lifting weights made a bigger difference to
me than going to the chiropractor.  Then about two years ago I was in a
minor accident.  Well, a semi hit my car, but it was barely moving.  I
realized by that night that I had been injured, soft-tissue injury.  So I
went to a chiropractor.  My condition varied for a long time.  But when I
would start to do better, the chiro would tell me to come back in two or
three weeks.  The intervals were so long that I would be in trouble again
after that long.  This went on for 1 1/2 years.  Finally, I went to a
physician who sent me for physical therapy because my arm and hand had
started to tingle and I was losing mobility in the left arm.

The PT told me the arm problem had in his opinions extended from the
original injury.  It was my understanding that my problem had compounded
and that it would take some hard work to get back my mobility.  My
shoulder had adjusted to compensate for the neck and upper back pain,
which was really all the chiro had treated.  And I wasn't going often
enough to really alleviate the problem.  

Because the arm and shoulder got weak, I developed tendonitis in my left
shoulder and, possibly, a partial tear.  I just had an MRI done and have
to go back to the doctor tomorrow (orthopedic).  I have to use a TENS now
to alleviate pain and am relatively immobilized due to sharp pain upon
much movement in the left shoulder.

My point is that going to a chiropractor was not sufficient for my
problem.  In addition, the chiropractor was not really on top of the
problem or aware, apparently, of what was happening.  I would go in, wait
for close to an hour, spend a few minutes with the chiropractor, have a
couple of manipulations, have five
minutes of ultrasound, and be told to come back in two or three weeks.  My
problem was shifting, and the chiropractor did not know about it.  This is
a reputable chiropractor.  But if chiropractic is so great, then why
didn't he realize what was happening or could happen?  If I'd gone to a PT
in the first place, I am pretty sure this would not be happening.  Now I
will have to have either cortisone in my joint or surgery.  The longer I
go with this limited mobility, the less of it I will get back, determined
though I am.
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:07:42 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1682B7058.TAC@ysub.ysu.edu>
TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross) writes:

[descprition of Adam's awe-inspiring feats of chestly prowess deleted...]

>As for myself, anything below 6 reps just doesn't feel like it is working
>the muscle (just the joint).  And, after a few weeks of doing 4 straight sets
>of 6 reps my joints just need a break.  Of course, I believe that you are in
>your lower twenties?  That might explain it.  Because, back when I was in
>my lower twenties I do not remember having any problems with joint soreness
>and I was doing mostly 4-5 sets of 6 reps. (F.Y.I.  I am 30, almost 31 now.)
> 
>I am wondering how others have changed their workout as they get older and
>more experienced ;-) at lifting weights.

I'm 28, and I've found that after about 3-4 weeks of going heavy and
doing sets of 6-8 reps, I get lots of little aches and need to back off
for a recovery phase (can you say "periodization"?) where I do lighter
weights for 10-15 reps. On my basic compound movement for a given muscle
group (e.g., flat bench for chest, squats for legs), I'll do 5-6 sets,
but then I'll only do 2-3 sets on the supplementary exercises (incline
bench, flyes, leg ext, etc.) I'm growing at about the rate at which I
can afford to buy new clothes [faster than the rate at which I can
afford new suits and sportcoats :-( ], so I've no complaints.
--
   Don Roberts
   dwr@llnl.gov
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:52:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul21.121558.13339@tcom.stc.co.uk>, laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin) writes:
> In article <14562@umd5.umd.edu> silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
> >Flat bench:
> >Barx12, 135x10, 225x10, 275x5, 315x1, 275x4
> >Incline bench:
> >135x10, 185x10, 225x5, 245x2, 225x4
> >Flat dumbbell presses:
> >85x10, 85x10, 85x7
> >My current weight is 162 pounds
> >
> >							-Adam
> 
> 	Although these figures are very impressive for your weight, Adam, I
> 	seem to remember your squat poundages were pretty poor. I draw the
> 	conclusion that this 162 pounds of bodyweight is distributed in favour
> 	of benching (i.e. upper bosy weighs about 150 and legs about 12!!)
> 
> 	Laurie (average bench but good total).

I've a couple reasons for posting this.  The first is to chastise Laurie
for picking on someone with leg problems and who might very well have them
snap at the knees if they chose kick sand in Laurie's face. :-).

Secondly, someone was asking how we old-timers had changed our routines
with age.  Well, I've been lifting since I was about 14 (over twenty
years) and the major difference I've seen is that I recover a bit slower,
but not really all that much, and that my routines are a bit more strict.
I always perform a set to exhaustion and generally have concentrated more
on the 8-12 range for sets.  Fewer singles and doubles.  I do worry a bit
more about form, as experience has hammered it home just how much progress
you lose if you tear a muscle doing any "unplanned cheating".  Outside
of that, little change.

Thirdly, Adam's posts have gotten me wondering about muscle memory and
how it changes with age.  I think lots of lifters will agree that if
you were at any time able to build bulk quickly, regaining it after
a layoff is pretty easy.  I've never had a problem building bulk in
many areas, but those that I have trouble with, well, I always have
trouble with.  Now, considering how bodybuilding and lifting have
changed over the years, and how much bigger folks are today, it's
difficult to judge just how age affects the physique (relative to
size of muscles) by observing older people.  I mean, most of the
older folks we see today really were never that big, muscularity-
wise, relative to today's lifters.  

Anyone got ideas or observations as to how much of this muscle
size or conditioning we can look forward to keeping and how much
of an improvement it would make had we not lifted when younger?

Just curious.

GMS
From: po.CWRU.Edu!vxv4@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Recommended low-fat main courses
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:45:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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 I've been analyzing my diet, and have come up with
 the following list of my favorite low-fat main course
 dishes.  If anyone has some other dishes to contribute, 
 I'd be delighted.

 1) Lentils and rice.  I posted my recipe a few weeks ago.

 2) Mung beans and rice.  You should be able to find uncooked
 mung beans at Asian food stores.  They only cost about $0.79
 per pound.  They're easy to cook, since they only need some
 boiling and a little garlic.  It may take a while to get used
 to them though, if you're non-Asian.  (Incidentally, the
 beans and rice combination provides a complete protein mix.)

 3) Low-fat (or non-fat) cottage cheese and fruit.  No
 cooking necessary!

 4) Tofu burgers.  You can find tofu burger mix at the 
 supermarket.  If you buy your tofu in bulk (e.g. at a co-op)
 this can be rather inexpensive.  In my opinion, these don't
 taste bad at all, especially with a dash of soy sauce.  Also,
 I recently tried making a patty out of 50% tofu burger and 
 50% ground turkey.  Since the tofu tends to absorb the flavor
 of whatever it's cooked with, this came out rather well.  
 Tofu protein is almost complete, but if you want to improve the
 quality even more, try eating the burgers with other grain
 products, esp. corn or rice.


 NOTE: None of the items I've listed above cost very much.  They
certainly cost a lot less than most meats on the market.  What's more,
they're nutritionally sound.

 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:39:23 GMT
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory

In article <Jul.30.00.00.04.1992.17899@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
> 
> Has anyone else watched the Unified Team's super-heavyweight
> wrestler?  He's 6'3", 287, with almost *no* bodyfat!  The guy
> is a monster.  He claims to be natural, but one look at his
> face and it seems obvious that he's used human growth hormone
> (and probably every other steroid under the sun).
> -- 
> Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
> 
> "In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
>  of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
>  on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_

I wonder how come you have yet to get an appointment as a head of the
anti-doping committee. You would have saved people a lot of time and
money: all the test would have been performed in a moment and without
any costly equipment whatsoever.

Having such an extraordinary abilities you must apply for the job
today!

Sasha