From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Public Celebration of Ignorance
Organization: Communication
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:29:49 GMT

In article <12OCT199223012228@utrcv1> ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:

>Stop barking man;

Salam Ali Baba!

>Where were you and the rest of your atheist friend's when that bitch was
>insulting our god and our religion.                            ^^^^^1

I was probably here trying to UNDERSTAND why these atheists - according to
you not me, because my prerequisite to find friends is not based on their
belief in God or absent thereof of God - were all over you.  At the same 
time I was going to learn from your understanding of the case at hand what
resons you would offer before things got out of hand and you started sexually 
abusing people.

1- I see you still carry some of those 'reptalian' anger in you.  I am 
going to understand Ali.  When you wrote the article you were mad.  That's
OK, but please don't think I am calling you 'soosmAr.'  That is not true.
I am characterizing your behaviour based on your thought process reflected
in your post, and the article carries so much cold-bloodedness and anger
attributes that lends itself to be characterized as such.  I hope to have
been able to clarify this fine point.  That was the reason I made a reference
to science and one of its prevailing theories.

>I didn't hear any barking then.

You didn't leave any room for the rest.  You have managed it so well so
far. :-)

>more than fair to her and the rest of her atheist gang.  She insulted my
>god and my religion so many times before and you stupid people were just
>enjoying yourself and her stupidity.         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obviously at this point you are pointing your anger at a group of people,
right?  I assume I am not a "people."  Let me talk for me then.  I was
not enjoying it, neither did I enjoy anybody's stupidity.  I was rather sad.

>I am also sick and tired of tolerating
>this discriminating talk from the atheist who constantly makes fun of the
>believer's and get's away with it too because the believer are too nice and
>sweet to answer them back the way that they really deserve.

I don't blame you!  You have every right to be frustrated.  After all it is
your sacred BELIEF, and MUST BE RESPECTED.  But, don't you think this is
exactly where our culture falls short of respecting each other?  You as the
defender of "your" God and "your" religion have CHOSEN to address the issue
with abuse "the way that they really deserve."  Never mind how do you KNOW
what they deserve, but let me continue that tread with Keivan on private
email, OK.  :-)

By the same token, some people (those you have identified in your mind as
the atheists) have chosen to address your replies their ways.  I thought we
were in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and not that of BANANA.  You see the
freedom of expression is a dangerous communication tool.  Perhaps another
approach could include a little bit more 'chAshni' of respect and less
emotional aggression.

I leave this thought with you to ponder as a possibility in your daily 
transactions with people.  And, no I am not telling you how to run your life.
I am only offering it as a possibility.

>Well, I have
>some bad news for you, I am not a good Muslim but I have respect for all
>religions  including yours, but when it comes to atheist and people who
>wish to make fun of my religion and my faith I absolutely have no respect
>or pity on them.

This is a classical example of English language shortcoming.  By "you" I am
going to infer your are referring to "me."  I am confused because earlier
you called me "you stupid people."  OK, by referring to my religion you must
be talking about me.

First of all this a good news.  Now, I begin to see the sign of TOLERANCE
in your tone, but only for "my" religion.  Thank you sir.  The only question
I have here, if I may ask, is how did you arrive at this conclusion to 
respect "my" religion?  I am sure knowledge to your way of thinking could
help the rest of us in our endeavors too.  You seem to suggest that there is
a way to be different and still be united.

>Maybe it is part of your religion to support and respect
>homosexuality and praise the one who insults your creator but it's not part
>of mine and I'm proud of it.

I do not recall referring to the topic of homosexuality and its relationship
to my religion in ANY article I have posted in the past few months, specially
my last one addressed to you titled "Public Celebration of Ignorance."  You
see Ali, we humans have a very "unhealthy" habit of quoting people out of
context.  By the way, my religion does NOT support the institution of 
homosexuality.  That said, it still RESPECTS and HONORS homosexuals as human
beings.  I am sure your intention was not to initiate a discussion about this
topic, so I think my clarification ought to suffice the subject for now.

>The problem with you guys is that you think
>it's alright to insult faithful people but when someone insults you in
>return you start crying wolf. Somehow your sentence always starts with "Is
>this what god wants you to say", or "Is this what Islam teaches you?".
>Unfortunately you haven't taken the dust out of your own eye.

OK, this is a ping-pong struggle between you as me and you as some people
you now refer to as "guys."  Shall you be less angry next time and spend
more time to identify your 'mokhAteb?'  I do not recall beginning any of
my sentences with any of those above-mentioned clauses.  So with all due
respect I am going to ignore this paragraph since I ain't apply to me.

>Who the hell
>do you think you are threatening me?, (the head of Iranian Atheist Inc.)
>It was you dirty Atheist who started insulting faithful people and posting
>vulgar articles.HOGWASH.  If you don't want shit to cover your face stop
>farting buddy, we are living in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the
>Atheist Republic of BANANA.

Now, I am totally confused.  Are you referring to me or again bunch of other
guys?  You must be mad anyways.

'I was only going to write a best-seller book, and it turned out to be THE
best-seller book' - marhoom Alex Haley

>I certainly encourage every faithful person on
>SCI to stop being quiet and use their legal rights to answer this flock of
>unfaithful people.

You bet.  You may and should do so if you feel strongly about it.  And, if I
live in this UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (and not the ARB [(c) Ali Baba, 92]),
I would follow the LAW of the land and not stop you from pursuing your
objective.  If I was in ARB, you would probably be persecuted because at
some point in time somebody had made this decision that he KNEW how you
ought to behave.

Ali, threat is defined as follows:

1 - An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, punishment.
2 - An indication of impending danger or harm.
3 - One that is regarded as a possible danger; menace.

Exercising one's granted right in the society to pursue an objective through
LEGAL channels is NOT a threat.  I think we humans label it such because
somehow we unconsciously FEEL that if such action was going to be sanctioned
by the LAW, it would curtail our freedom to do what we wanted to do at the
first place.  And, I humbly submit that this is one of the truest attributes
of democracy.  You see Ali, exercising freedom of expression DEMANDS a lot
of mental PREPAREDNESS (read as PREREQUISITES) from the members of the 
group or society.

>If you need a certified translation of my article and some
>of your previous insult to Seyyed, Babek, Minhas and other faithful people on 
>Sci, I will be more than happy to send it to you.

No thanks!  You are in queue.  Seyyed is about to unfold Aref's documents
just before our eyes at sci.  Once Seyyedgate episode is over, you may
proceed with your revelations.   We are in recession and cannot afford
looking at two extensive cases at the same time.  :-)

If you like we can continue this topic.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056