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From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: 99% will support Taiwan Independence
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:31:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

To clean the soc.culture.taiwan newsgroup,
I intentional post this item to talk.politics.china.
I wish anybody will follow this.

In article <l6p8t7INNajk@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>In article <76166@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>>Right now the will of the people on Taiwan seems to be "Taiwan is a
>>part of China but not PRC."  You don't seem to be accepting that too
>>well.
>
>Not Really.
>
>Lin Rong-San, a member of KMT Central Standing Committee and the 
>vice-chairperson of Control Yuan, once said that as long as there
>is no military threat from China, 99% of Taiwanese will favor 
>independence.
>
>The will of Taiwanese seems to be "I don't care whether we are part of 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>China or not as long as you don't try to bother us."   You don't seem 
>to be accepting that too well.

I'm one of the 1%.
Please do not refer to any statistics which is not a statistical number.
I believe people in Taiwan do not like CCP, but it does not mean that they do not like to be a Chinese.
It seems that we have got some "representatives" who claim they voice for the Taiwanese people.
How are you be selected to "REPRESENT" the will of Taiwanese ?
To be "practical", please tell me:
What advantages can we benefit from the Independence of Taiwan ?
What are the risks we will suffer from that action ?
What are the future developments of Taiwan economy ?

Why don't you be proud of the facts that:
We have enjoyed the best democracy and prosperity in Chinese history.
We are always a comparative standards for Chinese.

You can always look at one thing in different ways, positive or negative.
Which side you see depends one what kind of person you are.
Who can fortell the collapse of the former Soviet Union, the first communism authority in the world ?

I know you feel very "SONG4" when you condemn the government.
See, what have you done for us ?

There are thousand and thousand of ways that will really help us.
Please do something really "GOOD" to the island and the people there!
Why don't you ask president Bush to sell more air fighters and weapons to us ?
Why don't you ask the American government stops putting economical pressure on our government ?
Why don't you ask the school officials to give us an "equal" oppotunity for getting assistantship ?
Have you helped the new coming students for their rights ?

Tell me what you have done for us ?
Except for those endless, rude shouting !
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: CHINA%UTKVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: SVC
Reply-To: CHINA%UTKVX.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:55:00 EST

>         IFCSS Supervisory Committee Resolution
>                On Mr. Li, Jinghong's Appeal
>
>
>Log No: S4003
>Date: July 29, 1992
>
>
>        This is an official response to the appeal from
>Mr. Jinghong Li on the issue of the Presidency of IFCSS.
>
>        Under the jurisdiction of the current version of
>the Constitution of IFCSS, there is only one President of
>IFCSS, who should be the one elected on the latest annual
>Congress of IFCSS. The Presidency should be effective right
>about adjourn of the Congress. The RESOLUTION-011 adopted
>on the Fourth Congress of IFCSS by no means revised, or
>surpassed the Constitution. Therefore, the President of
>current term is Mr. Xiao Geng.

I really enjoyed reading this quoted statement from SVC of IFCSS. It is
timely and unambiguously convincing. What it means, though, is beyond
the addressed presidency issue in my understanding.

Yes, compromise is very important as we all believe. But for compromise not to
be an execuse of abusing principle as is frequently occured, i.e., to be a
good and producing one, justice has to be in background. From such a point
of view, the work of SVC has set a good example. I thus sincerely hope SVC
will keep up the trend toward all diveregnce occured in this community (such
as the one raised by Mr. Li Zuofeng about Council e-mail meeting).

Jing Zhang
University of Tennessee.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Shicheng Jiang <shicheng@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Zhao Haiqing's Leadership in Lobby Activities
Reply-To: Shicheng Jiang <shicheng@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:26:27 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

I agree with D. Zhou. Let Zhao Haiqing continue his leadership in protection
bill. President Geng Xiao should organize nation-wide campaign to support
Zhao Haiqing. Even President Bush has his Secretary of State and Ambassadors.
As president of IFCSS, Mr. Geng Xiao has a lot of other things to do not just
the lobby.                       ---Shicheng Jiang
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: D-P Deng <deng@BNLUX1.BNL.GOV>
Subject:      Re: The Openness of IFCSS Council - re: An Biweekly Unofficial
              (#10)
Reply-To: D-P Deng <deng@BNLUX1.BNL.GOV>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:06:26 EDT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear Chairperson,

It's Eddie Cheng, not Eddie Chen! You're so rude. I doubt it he will change
his last name into Chen, though he might.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Subject:      Re: A open letter to SVC of IFCSS
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:41:22 PDT
Comments: To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu, CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Date:       Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:15:00 EDT
> Reply-to:   UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
> From:       UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
> Subject:    A open letter to SVC of IFCSS
> To:         Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT <CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu>

> SVC, I, as a ordinary CSS, ask you to watch the new elected IFCSS president
> action in this lobby work. I am questioning why he can not support the lobby
> work of Zhao haiqing. lobby work is higher than any inner struggle. dawei zhou
>

I join in your appeal.

Zhongkai Xu
Oregon State University
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From: Zhiping Liu <liuz@DS20.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject:      to professor Lix
Reply-To: Zhiping Liu <liuz@DS20.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:02:06 -0400
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

professor Li Xiaowen,

Perhaps everyone knows that you somehow dislike Zhao Haiqing
or his policy, and you have made that point clear enough. All
I feel uneasy is that the style of your post, which seems to be
satirical but actually only makes people snigger over when they
realize that this comes from a PROFESSOR at Boston university.

If you criticize the contents of the announcement of IFCSS, that's
perfectly fine. But does it matter who wrote the announcement if
it is only an announcement? Do you suggest that only people like some
professors, who do not say F*** in front of other people but always
write some smartalec comments, are qualified to write an IFCSS
announcement? You must be an insider and knows lots of dark stories,
but we are completely confused and don't know who you refer to
when you talk that 'F***, Mad, Mad' person and hate to see some
people write these type of meaningless comments. So please, professor Li,
be suggestive.

It is obviously that Zhao made a mistake and probably used old signature
file to send out the email. He may feel a little bit embarrassed himself.
But, are we a bunch of pin heads and so intolerant?  Do we have
something else more important to do instead of writing such a small thing
to the net. I guess professor Li must be tenured already and really takes
an easy life.


Liu zhiping
Florida State University
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: V999RF2L@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject:      Target List?
Reply-To: V999RF2L@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:03:00 EST
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

       ************************************************************
       *                                                          *
       *                       SUPPORTING                         *
       *                     __*__*__*__*__                       *
       *             Chinese Protection Act of 1992               *
       *                                                          *
       ************************************************************

Dear Folks:

   The Headquarter of IFCSS should post a complete list of those targets:
names, phone #, fax number and address of those Congressmen/Congresswomen
in both Judiciary Committee and Rules Committee we are going to shoot.

    ******************************************************************
    *								     *
    *   Weimin Jin  &  Daoguo Zhou     from                          *
    *   Chinese Students and Scholars Association (CSSA) at Buffalo  *
    *								     *
    ******************************************************************
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From: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      leadership
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:59:51 EST
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

    I think IFCSS HQ has already nominated Dr.Zhao as the Head of the
lobby. And the HQ praised Dr.Zhao's work.
    Don't argue about the leadership issue anymore. Let us concentrate
on our own jobs...what we ourselves should do!\
From: tang@MATH.PURDUE.EDU (Puqi Tang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: A correction
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:47:50 GMT
Reply-To: Puqi Tang <tang@MATH.PURDUE.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: cc: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

The passed election date of CSSU at Purdue is in July, not August.
Sorry for a typo in last post.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: YANG GUANG <G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      NBC 7pm News tonight and the two bills
Reply-To: YANG GUANG <G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:28:44 -0500
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu, cnd-editor@djohn-sun.kent.edu,
              info-fdc@ahkcus.org,
              soc.culture.china@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu,
              cnd-u@library.uta.edu, soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
              ifcss-ne@qjet.bu.edu

[With news sources from AP and Reuter]:

          A Chinese government shopping delegation headed by
the Deputy Director of National Economic Planning
Commission, Mr. Gan Ziyue, is in the U.S.A.  The delegation
will purchase a large quantity of automobiles from all big
three U.S. auto makers, Ford, Chrysler and GM.  According to
the delegation, this is a good well mission of Chinese
people to help the U.S. economy recover.

          We know the real mission of this delegation,
however, is more likely to ensure the MFN status for China.
The legislation that requires Chinese government to improve
human rights passed the House last week, and will be voted
in the Senate soon.  It is also clear that Chinese
government intends to return George Bush a favor by
injecting a large amount of cash into the US most hurted
industry before the election in November.  (At
the time of writing up this report, the National Radio
reported that the stock prices of all the three auto makers
have been driven up by a few points).

          Dr. Haiching Zhao will appear on NBC prime
time, 7pm Evening News tonight (7/28/92), interviewed by
anchor Tom Brokaw to discuss this issue.  The media
publicity is important for the successful passage of both
MFN and Chinese Protection Bills pending in the Congress, as
the human rights is the core for both bills.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ZHAO%HUXTAL.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      IFCSS: BRIEF REPORT ON IMMIGRATION AND MFN BILLS
Reply-To: ZHAO%HUXTAL.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:20:00 EDT

Distribution-File:
        council@math19.gatech.edu
        cnd-us@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
        svc@hal.cwru.EDU
        IFCSS@HAL.CWRU.EDU
        CHINA-NT@UGA.BITNET
        soc-culture-china@ucbvax.berkeley.edu,
        osu.chinese@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu
        soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
        human-bd@virginia.edu
        china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu




*****************************************************************


        BRIEF REPORT ON IMMIGRATION AND MFN BILLS


*****************************************************************


        To:    Chinese Students and Scholars Nationwide


        From:  Haiching Zhao, President of IFCSS


        Date:  July 21,  1992



        Since  we left the Fourth Congress of IFCSS (4 Da)  held  in
the  University of Minnesota, we have been pushing intensively  on
both  the conditional MFN and the Chinese Protection bills in the  U.S.
 Congress.   The Monday right after 4 Da, a hearing was held on
 MFN in the House, and  I testified before the International Trade
Sub-committee.  Meanwhile, we conducted a series  of  lobbying
activities,  including  organizing  a coalition  of  twenty  some
organizations  in  support of our effort.  We also  lobbied  many
members,  particularly  those on the Judiciary Committee  of  the
House regarding the Chinese protection bill.

        As the result of these efforts, the House of Representatives
voted  this afternoon on the MFN bill (HR 5318)  attaching  human
rights  conditions to the renewal of MFN trade status  to  China.
The vote was 339:62, an overwhelming victory. Right after the vote,
three of us, (Ji Yingquan, Yang Guang, and I who have been lobbying
in the Capitol Hill all day), went to the House Floor to greet Congresswoman
Pelosi and Congressman Pease.  We thanked for their leadership and strong
commitment to the cause of human rights in China.

        We have also been pushing the Judiciary Committee in the House to
move  forward  the  Chinese Protection Bill,  and  the  Judiciary
Committee  has decided to mark up our bill  tomorrow.   However,
problems are mounting.  The Chinese government has been launching
an  all-out  campaign to oppose the bill. A  few  amendments  have
surfaced.   Stay  tuned for a detailed report  of  the  progress,
difficulties and our strategies in a day or two.

\end
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From: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      The bill is out of the Judiciary Committee
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:42:42 EST
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

  Just now I called the Committee at 202-225-3951.
  I was told the bill has been passed in the Judiciary Committee. It was
done last week and is pending for the floor vote.
(But the floor vote schedule has not been set.)
  I hope we can be given accurate information by the HQ in the future.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      where is the bill?
Reply-To: "NY." <yue@MOHLSUN.PHYSICS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:00:43 EST
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

   As I was told by the HQ and a representative's staff, the bill is
still in the Judiciary Committee. In the HQ's latest report, it
is
also clearly said that the bill is in the Judiciary Committee.
   I never saw any news(official) that the bill has come out of the
Judiciary Committee.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: SCIENCE%MITVMA.BITNET@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu (Maoist Internationalist Movement)
Subject: Re: I found this. . .
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:09:42 GMT

Ning Luo misrepresents our position. He says we make "propaganda"
and are all "talk." Well I don't know what else the nets are for.
People who send us a message will find us quite willing to "talk."

If we want to move, we'll read "alt.moving." ;-) We don't need Ning Luo
to tell us to move from an imperialist country to a social-imperialist
country. Maybe Ning Luo does that kind of moving around, but to
us a capitalist country is a capitalist country.

We at the Maoist Internationalist Movement feel that people in
the United States have the duty to bring an end to U.S. imperialism.
Those of us born here, who know the language, who can get around,
who have resources--we have a responsibility to the "wretched"
starving of the earth to bring down U.S. imperialism. We don't
have a lot of qualifications for leading revolution within China.
The Chinese people can do that.

If Ning Luo would like to pay for more of us to *visit* China, he
is welcome to. Our Maoist party, like others, has already been
there. Comrade Gonzalo in Peru went to China in the 1960s before
organizing the communist movement in his country. It cannot be
said we Maoists lack travel experiences. We appreciate their value.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Join United Nations under the name of Taiwan
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:44:04 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In the interest of keeping the soc.culture groups for culture only,
I'm redirecting the TI stuff to talk.poltics.china.

In article <l70gp6INNa0@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu
(Bien-Chao Iunn) writes: 
>	While KMT, for its own political interest, keeps Taiwan isolated 
>	from the international community

It's not the KMT who is keeping Taiwan diplomatically isolated.  It's
the PRC, in the last few years, the KMT has been doing everything it
can to rejoin the diplomatic community.

>	A two-third vote is required from the General Assembly following a 
>recommendation by a majority of the 14-member Security Council.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The recommendation by the Security Council is subject to veto by any
one of the five permanent members.  Guess who is one the five?

And in case you are wondering about what happened in 1971.  In 1971,
the resolution passed by the General Assembly decided that the
question being debated was what government was representing China and
did not involve the expulsion of a member.  Therefore the issue was
not an "important question" and therefore was not subject to a
Security Council veto.

Also, let me point out that in 1971, the United States indicated that
it had no objection to having representation for both the Republic of
China and the People's Republic of China.

>--->>	Taiwan		Originally held the China seat but was
replaced by the >			People's Republic of China and
has never applied as >			Taiwan, having not
relinquished its claim to be the >			legitimate
government of China.

Regardless of whether the ROC applies as Taiwan or applies as ROC, the
PRC will veto any application.  You have to negotiate with the PRC
before you can make any meaningful application.

Also, it is false that an application by ROC cannot be accepted
because of conflicting claims on the Mainland.  The Republic of Korea
and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are both members of the
United Nations even though both claim in their Constitutions to be the
legitimate government of the entire Korean peninsula.  I have no
objection to a "Korean solution" regarding ROC and PRC.
From: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Support former IFCSS President Zhao haiqing's hard lobb
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:50:17 GMT
Reply-To: CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu, CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              ZHAO%HUXTAL.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Date:       Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:08:00 EDT
> Subject:    Support former IFCSS President Zhao haiqing's hard lobby work!

> All netters, to win the lobby is the top task, for ourself and the Human right
> of china. Former IFCSS President who leading the lobby for 3 years, need
 support
> . please send your donation to: CCSA/immigration Fund,P.O.box 65307,
 DC20035-53
> 7, D.ZHOU, FL
>
Yes, we did support Dr. Zhao for his outstanding lobby work and will continue
to do so, BUT some concerns need to be clarified by Dr. Zhao or his working
group(s):

    1. We have NOT received any receipt after several weeks we sent out our
       $1000 of donation to the CCSA account;
    2. Who is in charge of the CCSA account?  Is there any way we can check
       to see how this account is operated properly and legally?
    3. A monthly financial report should be made to the public, at least to
       the donators.

We still have several thousands more $ to send out.  We should be resposible
for the donations and have a good explanation to the local donators.  Before
sending out any more donations, we REQUIRE clear answers to the questions
above.

We called both sides, the messages we got are the same: they could not
contact the other side and it is VERY difficult to keep in touch with each
other.  Well, D.C. is not a too big city, keep doing so you will find a good
way to talk and settle your dispute properly.

WE FORMALLY APPEAL TO BOTH OF YOU: WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD SAKE OF
CHINESE STUDENTS/NATIONAL, AS WELL AS FOR YOURSELVE.  DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THIS EVENT TO "EARN" YOUR OWN CREDIT!  STOP THE DISPUTE AND MAKE SOME
COMPROMISES.  WORK TOGETHER, WE CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE!  WORK TOGETHER,
BOTH OF YOU CAN EARN GREATE CREDITS!

Best Wishes,

ZK Xu
Vice President
CSSA at Oregon State University
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Account
Reply-To: HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:22:00 EDT

Dear Netters:
      To argue who is the president is meaning less. For sure Geng Xiao is the
4th term IFCSS president. And the Aug.1 is close. By that time, all the
confusions will be cleared. The thing really matters now is the bank account.
Which one is eligible for sending donations to. I think the one which can be
monitered by HQ, Council so the public, namely the one set by Geng Xiao is
eligible. Every one engaged in lobby effort can ask fund from it. I hope that
the Zho Haiqing group compromises with HQ, forms a joint force, uses the same
mentioned eligible account to fight for the common goal. I hope you are all
principled and respect IFCSS Constitution.

                                Kai Hwang
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