From: tnelson@bellahs.com (Tom Nelson RD)
Subject: Re: What Here!?! (Re: Working for change?)
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:19:21 GMT

In article <qstn_q#.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>Well, I obviously have touched a nerve in you.

Yes, that would be a safe observation.

>
>Do you REALLY think that Clinton .vs. Bush is a CHOICE?

Yes I do think that there is a choice there, Ross Perot is still on the 
ballet here in California,  Leona B. Felani (did I spell that correctly?)
is running.  There are plenty of choices out there, you just have to go 
and find out what they are, not stay home and complain that third party 
candidates don't get enough coverage in the mass media.  Of the two major 
candidates it is a choice between continued or accelerated progress 
towards catastrophic social change, and dragging that particular pain out 
for a few more years (or possibly decades)

>
>The same old CRAP gets posted again and again -- that it is SOMEHOW
>MY fault for this mess, because I don't vote!!!

The same old CRAP gets posted again and again, that IS partially your 
fault cause you post a hell of a lot of it.  "This mess" is not your 
fault, in fact "this mess" is none of your concern.  If you want to take 
an active part in doing something to fix it that's one thing, otherwise 
you might want to get your nose out of it.

(BTW: Your mixing two unrelated issues... Lets stick to one at a time
ok?)

>
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>
>Get off it. This is a coercive system. It works in secret (why? eh?). It
>takes things from people against their will. It is immoral. It is run
>and maintained by very immoral people with zero ethics. The corruption
>is extremely blatant (just what does a lobbyist do?). It's about power.
>

There you are right Phil and I agree with you completely on all the points 
you made above:
	We Live In A Coercive Society.  (I even capitalized it for emphasis.)
There are [lots and lots] of people here in California alone, and each of 
those [lots and lots] of people all have their own ideas and backgrounds 
and histories and they all have to live together.  Its called pluralism 
Phil.  That means that when there is a conflict, compromise is necessary.  
Another way to look at it is: you can't always get your own way Phil. 
(I learned that in Kindergarten from Mrs. Shanesee(sp) :-)  Even though 
you seem to think that it is some inalienable human right to always get 
exactly what you want.

Congratulations Phil you have enlightened us all to one of the worst kept 
secrets in modern history.
The government is corrupt.  In many ways it exists only to perpetuate its 
own existence.  Everybody who can read or listens to something other than 
the prepackaged media know that the government is corrupt.  And now even 
"mainstream" media is getting in on the secret.

Do you want to know something else though.... It doesn't really matter.  
No matter how pure or how corrupt the system is, it will eventually 
disintegrate and be replaced by something else.  All systems are ephemeral 
and will eventually fail, period. 

>You think YOU want to play in that cesspool? Well, go ahead, but don't expect
>me to think much of you. No wonder you are so touchy about the issue -- I
>assume you don't want to shoulder the blame alone.
>

I don't expect you to think much of me Phil... I don't live my life for 
your pleasure, so let's leave that whole issue out of it.

And like I said before Phil, I don't put any blame on you for the state of 
the world.  Just stay out of the kitchen if you ain't gonn'a cook (if you 
get my meaning.)

>Yeeecchhhhh.
>
Ewwwwww Grody!  

>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>
>"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
>"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

Mick also said:
"You can't always get what you want!"

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