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From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Mikey
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:27 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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Yes, all parents must make decisions on how to raise their children.
I personally do not have children (yet), but I did raise my brother,
or should I say HELPED raise my brother.  From that experience I
can tell you that being strict is not being cruel.  Setting guidelines
and holding to them is the BEST thing that you can do for your
child.

I have talked to many people about this subject.  Based on what I 
have learned and what I have experienced, you will save yourself
*MUCH* *GRIEF* if you do not spoil your child and make them mind.

Just my $.02 worth

Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: hart0037@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:36:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194913.28324@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
writes: 

>In article <1992Nov16.030038.24360@news2.cis.umn.edu>
hart0037@student.tc.umn.edu writes: 

>>  I agree with Ashley's point.  I don't own a handgun, but my mom suggested I
>>buy one for self-defense and the thought made me ill.  If this world
>>is so violent that my only means of staying alive is to kill someone else,
>>then I prefer to die.  
>
>What if you have a family and your only means of protecting them is to
>kill someone else. Would you let your family die?
>
  I'm glad you asked this because it made me think about what I meant
originally.  Perhaps there are 2 issues here: 1) am I capable of killing,
and 2) am I willing to use a gun to kill?

  Yes, I am capable of killing to protect myself or my family.  However,   
I'd do a lot of things short of killing first--like avoiding danger, then
trying to deflect or escape an attacker.  I'm willing to fight for my
family if all else fails, and if it ends in death (for me or the
assailant) before I can escape, so be it.  I would hope that my family
would escape while I distracted the attacker if ganging up wouldn't be
effective.

  As for the second issue, I still don't want to own a gun.  It's too
quick and too easy to kill with a gun.  I've fired one before, and even
though I was targeting popcans, I didn't feel good about it.  I don't want
that kind of instantaneous life-and-death power in my hands!  Once you've
pulled the trigger, there is no turning back, and I'd feel unsafe with
that kind of power in my house.

  The above may sound illogical and irrational to some.  I make no
apologies because I find the fact that I could be shot and killed by a
total stranger for the $5 in my wallet to be pretty irrational too.  I
choose to not participate in this arms race!!!  Other people make
different decisions, but this is mine.

  I repeat my earlier statement that my views could change if I became the
victim of violent crime.  Sometimes it's hard to balance ideals and
actualities when one is specultating :-)
From: lazarus@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Anyone in Wichita?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:32:17 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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I'm going to be moving to Wichita in the near future, and was wondering
if anyone knew of any individuals or organizations who are pagan.
Thanks!

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - Hell, I can't remember the score.  They just lost to Mizzou.  *sigh*
"I've got the motive which is money, and I've got the body which is DEAD."
	-- In the Heat of the Night
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bowing out of this . . .
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:03:41 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
: People,
: 
: About from my own two boys, in our immediate neighbourhood there are
: 17 children aged between two and ten, and a further 12 aged up to
: fifteen. They have the right to claim my emotional and intellectual
: energy well before the children who post here to alt.pagan, so I must
: save it for them.
: 
: To my dear lovers, such beautiful women whose sweet embrace shall ever
: linger, we must part.
: 
: Adieu, adieu, adieu.
: 
: Gil<

Please never say Adieu. Not everyone demands the exhausting intensity that
children will beckon in a time of need.

Even a gourmet needs to pause between courses.

See you at another fare.

Eshin-Fun
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Who was that scary guy?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:44:13 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <00964014.A8E1EAE0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>Hi, Janis, Amy, Al, and other wonderful all and sundry folk.
>
>     I'm wondering how often these serious Fundamentalists come on the
>alt.pagan.  Every once in a while, I keep seeing some arrogant, pompous 
>anonymous someone putting things on the net that are insulting.  I don't
>mind debate, but--well, you've probably seen 'em, and have a pretty good idea 
>what they're doing.  I'm just kinda nervous about it.  
>
>     I'm just getting paranoid, maybe because I'm still getting the hang of
>this Northwestern thang.  Just the other week, I read about a neo-nazi compound
>in Idaho, and how these jokers are seriously thinking about an Aryan Home-
>land.  They want Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and, I think, Wyoming.
>(Read it in the Billings Gazette, can probably get quotes if interested.)
>This is coupled with a local guy wanting to buy out a small, recession-hit
>town and become it's mayor.  This guy's a very serious Fundamentalist,
>and wants to "work God's will" to save the town.  Seems there's at least one
>really scary religion-based thing going on every month, which is really bad
>considering the population of Montana is 750,000.
> 
>     Yeah, yeah...I'm whimpering to myself again, and it's likely I'll get
>flamed for it .  But what I'm wondering is,  how far can these people go to
>try and get us?  I've read about the Colorado ruling,8*(  and I know Seattle
>just barely fought off a measure nearly identical.  Exactly how powerful are
>the Religious right in the Northwest?  How nervous is justifiably nervous?
>
That actually brings up the point that Bush violated his oath of office, 
literally. I mean, why was the Aryan nation group that was shooting judges,
and advocating what you mention, *not* *prosecuted* *for* *TREASON*?  It is,
*literally* the definition in the Constitution. They *are* advocating the
overthrow of the US by force. Or does this only apply to folks on the left?

Let's hope Clinton & co bring a new attitude to this. I sure hope so....

	mark, the equally worried
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:38:58 GMT


RE: Catch-22

I dunno...I don't have specific
memories of the time (I'm not being
glib, remember I believe in reincar-
nation).  At any rate, what I call
a Matriarchy all those thousands of
years ago you'll have graduated to 
describing as Gylanic.  Same culture,
different title.

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:42:34 GMT


Re: Focus on valuing men and women
equally...

But WHAT in men are you going to value?
When men have a matriarchal
conciousness, then, and only then will
we have a culture that won't revert
back to the patriarchy the men were
raised with.

You can value men and women equally,
and I want the culture to do that.
But we need to radically change the 
head-space that men are put in before
we can do that successfully.

BB
-- 
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From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: Re: Sexual Personae
Keywords: Camille Paglia
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210436.18106@panix.com> jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates) wr
ites:
>I thought this may be interesting.  The following is a quote
>from the preface to Camille Paglia's book, "Sexual Personae":
>
>    "I argue that Judeo-Christianity never did
>    defeat paganism, which still flourishes in
>    art, eroticism, astrology, and pop culture."
>
>I've just started the book; so far, it is quite an eye-opener.
>Has anyone out there in alt.pagan read it?  I'd be curious to
>hear from anyone about there reactions to the book.
>
>I know, I know, people either love or hate Camille Paglia.
>Maybe everyone here hates her: either way, I'd like to hear
>some comments.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>jimoates@panix.com
>
>
Oh boy, have you opened a can of worms...

Sexual Personae is a fascinating book. Camille has many interesting things to 
say incl. what you cited above which is true.  Most mainline Xians don't think 
about it, but there is massive pagan borrowings by Xianity. Some of the fundies
are aware of this, some local one hand out tracts condemning Easter and X-Mas 
as pagan holidays.

Camille is very erudite and quite strong at dealing with earthy matters like 
lust, sex, etc. She is an almost orthodox Freudian and tends to cast too much 
in purely sexual terms. I wont post much more on S.P. in order not to 
predjudice your reading.

As to her notoriety, she has brought some much needed fresh air into the 
monolithic academic debates about literature, feminism, and sexual roles.
IMO, she is hated because she has challenged the powerful regime of the (to 
borrow a term) femi-nazis and eurofaddish intellectuals.

If you would like to get a clearer picture in much less restrained terms of her
views, I suggest her collection of essays entitled Sex, Art, and American 
Culture.

Andrew Hall
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the five stages
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:41:07 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1992Nov16.063517.20369@leela.cs.orst.edu>, casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass) writes...
:>In article <fVixInB@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
:>1. Anger
:>2. Denial
:>3. Bargaining
:>4. Depression
:>5. Acceptance
:>
:>What do these stages mean?
> 
>If these five stages are under discussion then (probabley) there is a
>terminal illness involved.  Cancer, Aids etc....  I believe the book
>was called "On Death and Dieing" but I'm not positive.
>BB
>Paul

	Yep. The title I'm not sure about the title of the book where these 
stages where first presented, but the five stages are about the death process 
indeed. This is Elizabeth Kubler Ross's work we are refering to here, and a 
very impressive body of work it is. Her books are available at most public 
libraries and a good many of the bigger bookstores. I hope this is not an 
indication that someone close is going through this?


		Walk in light, 

				Ashley
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:38:45 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <2B0C22CA.3305@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.133156.15828@mic.ucla.edu> suzi@trifid.astro.ucla.edu (Suzanne Casement) writes:
>>>	Best estimates of the Sun's stable future is about 20 billion
>>>years, FYI. It's a real mellow G-type.
>>>
>>>						Kayembee
>>
>>Hate to disillusion you but the estimated lifetime of a G-type star like
>>the sun is only about 10 billion years. Therefore it would only barely
>>have enough time to rejuvinate life before evolving into a red giant and
>>cooking all the interior planets, if life could even evolve again since
>>the conditions during which life evolved were much different than they
>>are today.
>
>Just one not-so-minor nitpick.  Earth and the Sun would not have to
>evolve life all over again.  Sure, getting it started all over again
>would be a chore and took a way fucking long time the first time around,
>but there would doubtless be some forms of life that would not become
>extinct even after we're done screwing over the planet.  Even if only
>one little colony of cockroaches survives, they're hardy enough to keep
>going.  
>
>We were little shrew thangs when the dinosaurs kacked, and 65 million
>years later, it looks like we're going down the same path.  65 million
>years from now, that little pest you tried to squish under your sink will
>be running the place.

If I've got any kind of vote, or can do anything to change the aim, I
vote for cats & dolphins. *PLEASE*, not the damn roaches....
>
	mark
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Who are we kidding?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.034103.27692@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dwindsor@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Windsor) writes:
>
>Only 30 years? Maybe I wont start that RSP =8-) 
>I agree that if we don't learn to stop shitting where we eat, Mother
>Nature will solve herself of this 'humman' problem like any other bad
>infection.  But where did you get the 30 year figure from?
>
>David

From a report given to the UN or the US Govt or something and signed by
1,500 very prominent environmental scientists.  I have to get more info,
but am not sure where to look.  I'll get back to you on EXACTLY where
you can find it.  Based on what I've read and studied myself, it sounds
like a plausible figure.  We're talking getting an energy source that
took 100,000,000 years to develop and belching it all out again in LESS
THAN A CENTURY.  And that's only the most well-known example (fossil
fuels).  

Blessings,
Janis
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Theocracy in America?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:01:39 GMT

Re: Re: Theocracy In America?
 
> From: michael@marcel.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Theocracy In America?
> Date: 19 Nov 92 02:23:16 GMT
> In-reply-to: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com's message of 12 Nov 92 22:49:55 GMT
> In response to this article I can only add:
> Has anyone read Robert A. Heinlein's
> "If This Goes On... "
> You don't have to respond, but I encourage you to take a look

That's why I reposted the delisle message to quite a few non-Usenet
conferences. I DID read Revolt in 2100 (a more likely title to find "If This
Goes On" under...) I prefer to read about theocracy to live under it.
The afterword by Heinlein in that book is also worth reading, it looks now
like grim prophecy.
blessings...
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: sunyab.org.arsa,alt.pagan,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Come to ARSA's meeting. Be Converted
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:54:44 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic University Undergraduate Program
Philosophy: Life is just one Conception after Another.
Quote: Reality is the Product of Our Mutual Imaginations
Project: Raising R'yleh

blackman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cancholech) writes:

>ARSA members: Friday we are doing nominations for next semesters
>officers. So please be there.

Yeah, so that we don't end up with all Chris'.

>His youth group pastor, Wayne Aaran(i think this is right), has been
>plagued by demons peridically throughout his life. Dave feels that Wayne
>can answer our questions more fully than he, himself can.  

Oh boy!  This sounds like just a huge barrel of laughs.  This is either going
to be the most hysterical ARSA meeting yet, or total trash.  One of the
two.

>but we do not wish to be converted. I went so far as to say "if you
>are trying to convert us, then we don't want you wasting your time on
>us".  

And when have you ever known a God-fearing Christian out to save your soul
to respect this particular request?


>ARSA was founded on a strong belief in religious freedom.

Amen to that!  (Sorry, I *had* to say it.)

>"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the Death
>your right to say it."

Jefferson, right?

One other question; why did you cross-post this to alt.pagan with a world
dist.?  I've taken the liberty of making this followup local.

               -Brian, roving net-fiend and commentator.
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From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Re: Don't Worry
Originator: bjbisset@c00008-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:51:39 GMT


>One of my friends has an article that details each of these steps, I'll see if
>I can get it from him and post it later.
>
>							Sincerely,
>							Lieutenant Wilkes
 
  Please do, I can remember only a few, I think the light bulb is actually
changed around step 29, even though the dry run for the light bulb change is
about a month+ earlier... 8)
  I'd like to have a copy of it for myself, so I can ask some local eco-hobbits
why this is so much safer...Of course, I don't expect sane responses...

More Eco-Hobbit wisdom:
excerpts from a "talk" with an eco-hobbit, topic is spotted owl, conversation
  goes on, leading to talk about animals being more important than humans
Me:  If you and your friends have their way, you'll destroy America, just to
   protect cockroaches, flowers, and other creatures...
E-H:  So?

later we are back to the owl topic:
Me:  Like it really matters, the Spotted Owl is ADAPTING to the environment
  changes.  It's actually cross-breeding itself out of existance...
E-H:  We can stop that.

Scary.  I think the environmentalists may cause more damage to the earth and
its inhabitants than the evil industrialists and Reaganites who have world
destruction as their ultimate goal.

Billy Bissette  **Reagan in '96**  **Protect Mother Nature, kill an eco-hobbit**
-- 
----------bill the insane cultist, bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu
Please make a donation to the "Raise a Great Old One" Foundation.
Everyone chant with me:  Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
                         Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Don't Worry
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:36:03 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

[bill the insane cultist's description of eco-hobbit regulation
in nuclear power plants: a month and a half to replace a warning
light bulb deleted]

Giggle
      

Chuckle


Guffaw


Laugh

Shriek

Scream "Yeaaaaah!"

Serves the sonsofbitches/bitches right!  "Oh, yes we need more
safety in nuclear power plants, Lassie, or else there will be
MORE progress, technology and quality in our modern life, and
we can't have THAT, can we girl? No no no no no we can't, snuggle-
woozums.  We have to go back to the Stone Age when people didn't
have disposable diapers and freon air conditioners and carbon
monoxide and cars and clean hospitals and life-support equipment and
health care and cars and improved food production and convenience
and communication and knowledge.  That's right, oogie-snoogie.
Now lets go hug some trees."

Well I say we go out and cut down a rain forest in celebration of
this news, whaddya say? Woooooo! (chainsaw noises)
	Jason
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Don't Worry
Originator: bjbisset@c00010-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:44:23 GMT


  Hey guys and gals, don't worry about the eco-hobbits, they'll probably take
out the world themselves.  I listening to Rush Limbaugh today when he was
again talking about the regulations that eco-hobbits incure onto nuclear
facilities.  I think the place under discussion was Rocky Flats Nuclear
something-or-other.  To replace a criticallity light(The red light that lights
when there is an emergency)when on burns out required 12 people and four hours.
However, that policy wasn't up to eco-hobbit safety standard.  So now, by
following safety policy, it now takes at least 43 people to complete the 33-step
process of changing a light bulb.  The electricians themselves put in 2 1/2
hours on the actual bulb-changing, but when you add in the request forms,
comittee meetings, proposals, reproposals, dry runs, tests, etc; a total of
1087.1 hours have passed.  Yes, thanks to safety regulations, the warning light
is not operational for about a month and a half after it is reported and burned
out.  Note, that is not 1087.1 man-hours, that is the actual time that
progresses as this fiasco runs its course.  Don't you feel safe now? 8)
-- 
----------bill the insane cultist, bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu
Please make a donation to the "Raise a Great Old One" Foundation.
Everyone chant with me:  Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
                         Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Re : Chemical Pollution
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <of1OLs600VIG82Hkdg@andrew.cmu.edu> re0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ronald William Ely) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.destroy.the.earth: 13-Nov-92 Re: Re : Chemical
>Pollution Jason D Corley @helium.g (1985)
>
>> Will we be able to look back at the smouldering remains
>> of our planet and say to our children..."Yes Bobby.  It's gone.
>> Gone forever.  But we're going to a better place, Bobby.  And your
>> old Dad/Mom (pick one) helped."?       
>
>If you want to end the human race, start by not having kids.

Oh.  Well _that's_ no fun.  We need to make sure the Eco-Hobbits
don't have kids.  OUR gene pool needs to survive!  To the moon,
Alice...and then to the stars!

Not Jason Corley, but an incredible simulation
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: It will crash itself
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:26:54 GMT


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