From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:59:27 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

> Nor do I, but that's not the point of the post, silly. Of course, she's
> a racist. What's so funny is how when white feminists meet with a
> well-known black radical woman, and the main thing on their mind is
> apparently getting into bed with HER!!!
> 
> "Sistah's" exact words are:
> 
>      A lot of the white feminists I've met have been lesbians who
>      seem more interested in getting you to adopt their sexual lifestyle
>      than in getting you to empower yourself as a woman, so that you
>      could empower your family. That's problematic.
> 
>      Q: Isn't that only one small part of the feminist movement?
> 
>      A: I said that is what I have experienced.
> 
> (Playboy, Oct., 1992, p. 68)
> 
> -- 
        Okay, gang, pay attention. Once again, Robert Sheaffer embarasses 
himself.
        Notice that, in his statement, he says that it's the 'white 
feminists' who want to sleep with Sistah Soujah. He does NOT make the 
distinction between feminists and lesbians-- a distinction even Sistah Soujha 
        Also note that Souljah does not generalize about the entire feminist 
movement from her experience with a number of people she perceives as being 
lesbians. (I qualify this because I've known some skittish, homophobic women 
who think that every assertive woman is really a lesbian-- clearly a mistake, 
and one that Sistah Souljah might be capable of making.) In the aboveexample, 
Souljah seems far more restrained and rational about feminists than Robert 
Sheaffer is.

        What we have here is an ancient slander against feminists-- that 
they're all man-hating deisel dykes who just don't know what's good for'em. 
And considering Sheaffer's failure to make any kind of distinction between 
feminists and lesbians, I think it's a fair bet that that's precisely how he 
perceives them.
        Of course, a rational person would ask him or herself, "Well, why 
shouldn't lesbians be part of the feminist movement?" Fact is, lesbians are 
women, and just about all of the issues that women face are faced by lesbians 
(I'm surprised that, on occasion, I have to point this out to people). So 
WHAT if there are lesbians in the feminist movement?

        For Robert's comments about 'white feminists/lesbians' to have ANY 
validity at all, one would have to believe that lesbians are not entitled to 
the same avenues of political organization that straights or gay men are-- as 
though they're some weird, alien creature that must be guarded against. 

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