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From: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: CV Extra:  Superman to resume in 2 weeks
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:51:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
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According to Martha Thomases, DC spokeswoman, Superman comics will 
resume publication, with Superman #77 going out to distributors in
about 2 weeks.  "An announcement can be expected in February," she
told UPI.

No-one is talking for sure about the clone rumor, but artwork of
a familiar but faceless Superman has gone out to distributors as
samples.  Martin Stever of Capital City distribution said that the
current rumor was "that there will be four clones," Caucasian,
Hispanic, Asian, and African American, introduced in April.

(The current issue of Cyberspace Vanguard: News and Views of the
Science Fiction Universe can be found on rec.arts.sf.misc and other
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From: dlove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (DAVID LOVE)
Subject: Cerebus.txt
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:34:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services
Keywords:  Dworkin

  While I was flipping through the pages of Cerebus 165, I thought that this  
was just another cerebus comic book with ten pages of plot and twenty pages of
letters and mini-strips.  This is why I am saving my money and planing to buy 
the Mothers and daughters phonebook. 


Anyway, as I got to the last two pages of Cerebus, I notice the name "Dworkin". 
I jump up and down with gee. After reading all these phonebooks, I finally see
a plot twist.  Ok, I think I got a spoiler here.  Maybe it just me being 
whimsyical, with this being my first post.  However, after waiting for about
two days and nobody sees the connection between Dworkin and Cerebus,
I felt I had to post.

Anyway, the rest might be a minor spoiler for anybody who cares.
Sorry for the spelling errors.


























That should be enough.  I remember Dworkin from the Amber series by Roger
Zeleny. (<-this is misspelled.)   However, I just figure that Sim was just
using the name, not the character.  Then somebody post the question about might 
be the endless, since all the major players seemed to be more like pawns.

  Then my brain made the clicking noises and I thought, "Hey, this fits right 
into the story."  The Dworkin character from the Amber stories was a key player.

He had created the "Pattern" which was the physical reality of all that was
of Order.  Not only was he the creator of such a force/power, but he had become
a part of that force/power.   

  This is where I got the ideal that maybe General Dworkin might just be
one of the endless in Cerebus.  One, his name starts with a "D", two he is a
keystone of all that happens in the Amber unverse, why not here in Cerebus.  

I sorry, about calling Dworkin a "he", but in the Amber series Dworkin was a
father.  But don't worry, because Dwokin was also a shapeshifter and could be
just about anything he wanted to be. 

If truth be told, I didn't actually read what Dworkin was telling Crin, nor
have I every read an issue of Sandman. But beside, that how far off do I sound?

Has anyone every heard of Greer before reading Cerevus 165? Please post it or
email me.  If anyone want a semi-complete history on Dworkin in the context of
the role he played in the Amber stories, email me.

Remember this mindless mutterings you are hearing.

             David Love
         Dlove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu

       I lurk no longer.......
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From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: DeMatteis (was Re: Mercy (was: Re: Vertigo Preview)
Reply-To: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:10:53 GMT

Something else of Marc's to look for in the $0.25 bins is his Dr. Fate series
(and Mini-series, although that probably won't be in the quarter bins).
He and Shawn McManus did a wonderful job on this title. JM had a philosophy
in mind when he wrote it (all explained in his last issue) and he succeeded,
IMHO. 

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
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+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Native Heros List/ Month
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 20:44:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



Oh, and let's not forget the Amazing Chainsaw Kachinas in Super Pro 
who want to prevent track stars from leaving the rez.


GAH.  Sometimes, we wonder.


But, curious, for the native americans reading this group, how many 
of these character do you like?  How are they stereotypical?  How have
they been impressive?

Just a budding writer wanting to know.

Robert Kelly
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC: misc stuff
Organization: The Dizzy Squids of Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:24:04 GMT

In article <4fH=BDm00hYzIC545e@andrew.cmu.edu> jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka) writes:
>Thoughts on several DC titles of late, in no particular order:

>Heckler: At first, I was a little uneasy with the title because it
>seemed to lack that maniacal feel that Ambush Bug and JLA had under
>Giffen, and I was worried that he couldn't maintain the hilarity on a
>monthly basis. However, it's gotten better, not worse, over time. It's
>gone from "mildly amusing" to "pretty funny." Still not hilarious like
>Ambush Bug, but entertaining enough.

Unfortunately it only has two issues left before its plug is pulled. The 
strange thing is they're being published back-to-back in February. Heckler #6 
comes out on 2/19 and then #7 comes out the week after. (Maybe it's the
9th and the 16th. Neither sets of dates looks right.) 

>Swamp Thing: I like Doom Patrol. I like Sandman. I like Hellblazer. I
>like Shade. So, every so often, I forget and pick up a copy of Swamp
>thing thinking, "It's billed as being one of DC's better books, just
>like those others. Maybe the last issue I tried was a fluke." Then I
>read it and think, "Eeeew, why did I even bother? Why do I ever bother?
>I'll never make this mistake again..." Maybe it's just that I really
>really hate Collins' writing. Or something.

Isn't her contract up soon?  I seem to recall reading her saying so in
her Previews interview. Perhaps we should start a poll of who'd we like 
to see take over Swamp Thing.

>Stanley and His Monster: <snicker>. I like Foglio. It's in things like
>this that his sense of humor really comes through. It's just a shame to
>see his pencils getting mangled by wusshisname (don't have an ish near
>me).

Fiala? Something like that. The colors were badly done too. It comes out 
looking very much like a kids title instead of an adults book based upon
an old kids series.

Say why isn't Stanley and his Monster in the Vertigo line? It starts 
in Hell and follows Gaiman's continuity? At least one Vertigo title
character (Wesley Dodds) has made a cameo appearance.

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Good grief! He's dead! He must have cracked his 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shell when you pulled that football away. Maybe
  Idea shamelessly stolen,  |  we can get your brother to bury him in the 
   then slightly modified.  |  pumpkin patch with the others."    _Peanuts_ 
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From: jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Why Vertigo? Was: Marvel copies DC... again
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 05:39:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.145905.13727@schbbs.mot.com> Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:
>
>Given the discussion that last month Sandman was ranked #75 in sales and
>Hellblazer wasn't in the top 100, why is DC creating the Vertigo line?

	Because a year or two ago Sandman wasn't in the top 100 either.
Actually while I'm not entirely sure that's 100% true, I do know that Sandman
has slowly been gaining readers. This goes completely against the usual
trend for comics (they will slowly drift down and may jump up suddenly for
a variety of reasons). I suspect that this caught their attention and they
decided to see what would happen if they pushed harder.

>There doesn't seem to be a sound business reason to do it from my viewpoint.
>Are there a large number of 'mature audience' readers out there that DC is
>tapping into, or are they hoping to create a new market of Vertigo readers?

	I think they're beginning to feel that the market may be larger than
they thought, pulling in readers from other comics and also pulling in
readers who generally hadn't read comics before. Again by concentrating the
titles under the Vertigo line they're able to make it more visable and get 
more readers.

>Judging from the sales stats, it seems that market does not exist, and DC is
>hoping to create one. 

	I think it's more a case of the market exists but is somewhat
unknown territory so DC is taking a calculated gamble. And I'm not
complaining about it either. :)

--
Jeff Hildebrand, The Shaggy TA		       	   hildebra@math.wisc.edu
"The following statement  is an editorial viewpoint  and does not reflect 
the views of WSRN-FM, its employees, or mutant drosophila" - Off the Cuff
"And a tenor I wouldn't give two fives for."       -       City of Angels
From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:46:25 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1hnjrnINNkce@uwm.edu> ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg) writes:
>LSH - 	       Someday, somehow, someone will return to us the Legion of
>	       old.  Has there ever been a good comic story involving clones?
>	       If so, I've yet to find it.

Yup, there is. Check out Grimjack #36-54. THAT is good clone-related stories.
Too bad the comic's dead. (sniff...)

Daniel Roy,
of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"

-- 
Mr. Cole's axiom:
	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
	 the population is growing."
From: dddawson@lpl.arizona.edu (Doug Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:40:18 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1993Jan8.200551.16375@wam.umd.edu> danl@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.114128.13553@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
>jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>> I'd have to say that Cypher's death in NEW MUTANTS was the best for two
>> reasons:
>> 
>> a) It wasn't a noble sacrifice or had any "special meaning". He got  
>shot,
>> and died. Like that.
>> 
>> b) It's one of the few Marvel deaths THAT HAS STAYED #@!#$ING PERMANENT!
>> 
>Yeah, right.  You mean, you actually expect him to STAY dead?  The  
>groundwork for his ressurection was laid before he was ever even shot.   
>And he has come back, too, in the X-force annual that crossed over with  
>the Shattershot storyline.
>
>But, yeah, that death would probably get my vote too, since it showed a  
>character running around with basically no protection actually get killed,  
>instead of miraculously weaving through bullets, etc.
>

 This death gets a lot of attention over at GEnie...while it is true
 that it shows running around with no protection gets you killed (Wait
 ...this is beginning to sound like an AIDS warning...), it had long
 been noted that Cypher's powers were not combat-oriented, and that in
 a fight he was a walking target.

 It would have been better, in my opinion if they had made the point
 with one of the combat-oriented characters who had no special
 protection against bullets, like Mirage, Karma, Sunspot, or Rahne.
 (Not sure just which of those was on the team in that issue).

 Over on GEnie, it seems to be a fairly common opinion that Cypher
 was, potentially, one of the most interesting characters and that
 he was killed off because the writers (Lousie Simonson, if I recall)
 didn't really know how to write a combat-helpless character in an
 interesting fashion (though she did pretty well with her own
 creations ala Power Pack).

 Still, it is interesting that despite some _really_ heavy hints about
 merging him with Warlock, Cypher still hasn't come back.  Marvel has,
 so far, been keeping trademark protection by publishing flashbacks
 and 'post-death' stories.  (Also worth mentioning here is that someone
 on GEnie has been writing some amazing post-death stories about
 Cypher...they have to be read to be believed, almost.
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What is ACME??
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society


rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:

>I doubt if there's any connection, but there used to be a chain of
>"Acme Supermarkets" in (a region including) the Syracuse area. Gone
>now, I guess.

An equally irrelevant follow-up:

Acme Supermarkets are alive in well in the Philadelphia/Delaware/New Jersey
general metropolitan area, at the very least.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.



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 "I don't know where you took   --=--      Love ya, Katya!
 me, but I didn't want to leave."   \\  have clue, will travel.
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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:22:54 GMT
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization

"Shock" being from "Future Shock" strikes me as a bit strange.  Where
do people get the idea that in the future, people will be so
self-aware about it?  I mean, that's like those old episodes of
Starblazers and their references to "Space Java" or old cartoons that
featured martian children  going to "Martian School" (I never once
attended a school labelled "human school" or drank coffee labelled
"contemporary coffee").  Did people in the dark ages stand around
saying "My god, the dark ages are awful"?  No.  There's little reason
to assume that in the future, people will be any more self-aware.

At least "Frack" on Battlestar Galaktika was honest, I mean they just
more or less  used it as "fuck", rather like that old Saturday Night
Live bit where they used "floggin'" instead of "fuckin'" as in "You
floggin' idiot".  Of course, Paul Shaeffer messed up...on live tv no
less.  Apparently the pre-Comics Code "standards and practices" forms
at DC used to discourage writers from using the word "flick", for fear
that the capital letters would run together...

- Dan
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From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Reply-To: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:50:22 GMT


 donovan@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sean Donovan) writes:

|> At least 1 other Presidential cameo I can think of:  Ron Reagan and Mikhail
|> Gorbachev in Batman: Son of the Demon.  Oh, wait:  Ron Reagan again in 
|> Dark Knight Returns III & IV.  Any others?

Curious George made at least one appearance in Suicide Squad (after the 1988
election) telling the Wall how *he* wanted things done.

There may have been an appearance of then VP Bush in one of the early Bialya
issues of JLI (along with Jim Neighbors).

George Washington and Abraham Lincoln have made numerous appearances, some of
them in 1970's Superman stories...although at least one of them had 'alternate
history' versions of GW and AL.

FDR had popped up in 'Last Days of the Justice Society', n'est ce pas?

Gerald Ford appeared in Watchmen (as VP) falling down the airplane steps. 
(or did I just imagine this?)


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+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: gipper.1@nd.edu (The Gipper)
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:55:40 GMT

In article <C0BqF1.1J1@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed
Bowtell) wrote:
> 
> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> 
> >jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> 
> >> I agree, Spawn is overrated. McFarlane's writing has not
> >> improved, it has gone downhill.
> 
> >This was my impression.  Sad but true.
> 
> At last somebody who agrees with me.
> 
Are you kidding?  People actually believed McFarlane could write?  His
Spider-Man title was an atrocity.  The art was decent, but the dialogue was
patheitic and the plots were feeble. I have completely resisted the
temptation to read Spawn. Please, Mr. McFarlane, stick to what you do best;
you can draw, but you can't write!  
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.C0Mp5M.ArA
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <ka64wB7w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>> I think we are agreed that Tom DeFalco is doing an awful job writing the 
>> FF, with no end in sight.  
>> 
>> As an excercise in optimistic fantasy, who do you think should be writing 
>> it?  I woudl suggest:
>> 
>I thought of another at work yesterday:  A Fantastic Four series by Jeph 
>Loeb and Tim Sale.

Hmm. I don't know where this thought came from (Harlan Ellison's shack up
in Maine?), but Elizabeth's comment above made me think of just what a
FF *movie* written by the Coen brothers, and directed by Sam Raimi, would
be like.

Tasty!

"I'll give YOU theatre of the mind!" --Barton Fink (paraphrased)

"Get down and lick, Pain."

-- 
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My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Matt Wagner Stuff.
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:22:29 GMT

In article <C0IE5G.38y@world.std.com>, pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone had any info on the Aerialist, a Matt
> Wagner story that was appearing in Dark Horse Presents. Have there
> been any recent chapters? I haven't seen any in quite some time.
> 
> And what happened to Mage II?

According to the lettercol in the latest Grendel: War Child, Matt Wagner has
actually been talking about taking it up again!!!!!!

Meanwhile, War Child was a little dull.  The art was somewhat different, with
some nice touches here and there, but not consistent.  I guess that's what you
get when Matt gets an "inking assist".

The backup text feature explaining the middle issues of Grendel was actually
quite useful, though, as some of those issues made no sense at the time.

Joel

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From: djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Valiant questions
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:43:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I just have picked the recent Magnus issues dealing with the War of 
North Am, #21 and #22.  I liked them so I might want to get the 
rebeginning of Rai and the Future Force (?).  I was wondering what 
other Valiant titles do you suggest to go along with this one.

I know that the Valiant universe is heavily interrelated, but I don't
have the wallet to buy the back issues at the current prices.  So I was
hoping someone could tell wich books deal with Magnus's time period
and maybe give me a short summary of Unity so I don't have to buy
those issues.

Thanks in advance.


-- 
the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu