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From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: New LC: faster than 25MHz?
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:17:02 GMT
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping



In comp.sys.mac.hardware you write:

>In a previous article, ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm) says:

>>seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>>I read in the Mac the Knife column of MacWeek that the rumoured LCIII
>>>(sorry travis) might be faster than the 25MHz that's been talked about
>>>so far -- any ideas?
>>
> Oh well, everyone is wrong ONCE! :-) Actually, I still doubt Apple will
>call it the LC III. Personally, I think it should be something else, but
>then again, remember that a year ago MacWeek also said the Quadra 900 was
>to be called "THe Macintosh IIex" (I LIKED the name IIex, why not introduce
>a model called the IIex...Apple had also planned a IIvm, err...not as good)

I also heard the terrific name "IIff" - forte fortissimo. That's one of
the best we heard so far, IMHO.

>How many home users expand to 68 megs of RAM?

Not many *today*... but how many needed 2 megs back in the days of the
Plus, or, how many would ever think 4 megs would be such a limitation?

>>I hope the LC III and Color Classic will be as fast as the rumors say, and
>>especially that video access is fast. Lots of users will run games on them.
>>
> Personally I think the "Color Classic" project is a big waste of money and
>time. I think the "Classic Design" is more or less dead. I do think its a
>good design for cramped places, semi-portability, and a good all-in one
>"Aplicance" setup...but a "Color Classic" should, if released, be sold for
>$799-$899, completely unrealistic unfortunately.

I'm not sure about that. I bet they have had a lot of fights at Apple about
this, but they just might be able to make a color toaster rather cheap,
simply because a small screen doesn't cost much. The question is if the
buyers will care, with the LC III (or whatever) won't cost too much more with
a bigger (14") screen. If it can use an external monitor, it can be a pretty
good alternative for someone who plans to upgrade it later - like many people
do with their SE/30's.

One of the best reasons Apple has to keep at least one "toaster" model
is that that case is so well-known that it is part of the Mac's identity.
It may not be a big seller by itself, but it will sell LC's! "Look, it's
a Mac over there. Do they sell Macs here? Let's have a look..."

-- 
Ingemar Ragnemalm
Dept. of Electrical Engineering	     ...!uunet!mcvax!enea!rainier!ingemar
                  ..
University of Linkoping, Sweden	     ingemar@isy.liu.se
From: kishon-amir@cs.yale.edu (Amir Kishon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Does DoubleColor SX Worth it?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:24:28 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: systemsz-gw.cs.yale.edu

I have an option to buy an E-machines DoubleColor graphic card bundled
w/ an Apple 16" monitor for additional 300$. As far as I understand my
new DuoDock has already a graphics card built-in, so I am getting the
DoubleColor card for the hardware acceleration and virtual screens.
Is it worth it?

-Amir
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From: eel@xpressware.com (Elaine E. Lindelef)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: multisession CD-ROM?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:07:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: albion.dei.caltech.edu

Does anyone know if any of the new CD-ROM drives that support
multiple sessions of Kodak's PhotoCD are available yet? Last I
heard, some manufacturers were supposed to be releasing them at
the end of 1992 (I know that Apple's isn't due until Feb). Well,
we seem to be there, yet I haven't seen any ads.

So: 1) Who's making them? 2) When will they be available?
	3) How much will they cost?

Thanks.

Elaine Lindelef
eel@xpressware.com
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Ty Bower)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: FPUs in Macs
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:25:41 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

Both MacEnvy and TattleTale will tell you that, and much more.
Look for them on your favorite FTP mirror site.

I believe Speedometer 3.1 also gives a minimal description of your
hardware/operating system environment.  It will tell you if you
have a FPU.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: Tired of arguing...lets settle the arguments
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:34:47 GMT

Does anybody know that names of those groups that argue mac vs. pc?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: PB FAQ. Re: "Lazy" processor in PowerBook?
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:25:29 GMT

In article <1g9m78INNcee@agate.berkeley.edu> jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:
>>Most of the answers in this article could be stated with the
>>simple FLA: RTFM.
>>Four letter acronym: Read The reFerence Manual (or something like
>>that anyway).
>
>Did I detect a :-) following the (or something like that) line?
>'Cause *I* heard that RTFM stands for Read The F***ing Manual.

Usenet is widely known for its use of correct and appropriate language,
technical knowledge and the perception of its readers.

You could just as well imply that the ). is a half-hearted frown with
black eye.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:24042 comp.multimedia:3826
From: claire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Claire Sheppard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.multimedia
Subject: Video with a Mac
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:06:15 GMT
Reply-To: claire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Claire Sheppard)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: claire@thumper.cc.utexas.edu


	I finally got my Mac IIvx. Now it's time to play[work].  
	I want to use my Mac to edit wedding, reunion, and commercial videos.
I saw a demo if the Macromind MediaMaker which has an EDL and also will control
my 2 AG1960s and my Sony 8mm deck.  What I need to know is:
	Is this program any good? 
	Am I right to assume that I need to have Director also?

	My computer is now in 16bit color.
	Are there 24bit cards on the market that will input and output to SVHS?
	What is the best 24bit for the money?

Thanks in advance.

Claire Sheppard



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: Mac & IBM Info (added Info)
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:38:20 GMT

In article <Mf9cHCO00aw9MyCHdJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>> Seems to a little confusion of the meaning of the word support here.
>
>Then define it, because if you tell people that all macs support 32
>bit colour graphics, and then they go and buy an LC2, they're going to
>be mighty dissapointed...

All macs do support 32-bit coolour.  Not all Mac viedo subsystems do,
though.


andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: apl@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Luigi Andolfato)
Subject: How Format SCSI Hard drive
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:00:00 GMT

Hi, 

Can I connect a PC SCSI hard drive to my Mac IIsi?
And if it's possible, what utility I must use to format the hard drive?
Thanks in advance.

Luigi
apl@sabrina.dei.unipd.it




apl@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
From: bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LaserWriter sucks up Cat
Date: 12 Dec 1992 10:34:10 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Dec12.065032.4870@news.acns.nwu.edu> eepmatt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Matthew Friedman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.095921.29120@lin.foa.se> eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:
>>YES! And a filterin the mac to make me write only bug free code that works as
>>intended the first time!
>>Erik Svensson			Research Officer
>>Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
>>Stockholm			Sweden
>Wait a minute. This guy is having problems writing bug free code that works as
>intended the first time? And he works for the GUIDED WEAPONS division!?!?!
>Oh, boy... I want to be very very far away...
><grin>

Oh, don't worry.  The stuff is beta tested.  Anyone read the article in Sciece
about the guidance computers for the Patriots we lent Israel and used in Saudi
Arabia? (would have been out a year or so ago).  Apparently, they checked 
a radar blip incoming at least twice to see if it was on a suspicious traj-
ectory;  it it was, they predicted where it should be at a given time, and 
launched at that spot.  The problem was, there was some bug in the clock the 
clock they were using, such that they had a tendency to not recognize incoming
ordnance 'cuz it was in the wrong place on a subsequent check, according to 
their clock....  the solution?  Reboot the computers about once every eight
hours while the folks at the pentagon wrote the patch....  I realize this 
has little to do with laserwriters and cats and macs, unless rebooting 
the machine involved a dialog box coming up saying "it is now safe to switch 
off your Patriots" :+)  Or unless cats often slept on the missile batteries.

--Peter


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Russ Emmons <pug@apple.com>
Subject: Re: MiniDock status?
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:25:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.163905.23778@netnews.louisville.edu> Mike Harpe,
harpe@netnews.louisville.edu writes:
>I am considering purchase of a PowerBook Duo 230.  I really don't think 
>I need the full DuoDock.  The MiniDock looks like the answer.  
>
>Question:  When is it scheduled to ship and what will the HEPP II price
>	   probably be?
>

I don't know anything about pricing (other than the standard srp), but
my understanding is they've been in distribution for a week or two,
so you should start seeing them at "lucky" dealers any day now.  
If you haven't already....

Russ
pug@apple.com
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: SLIP\PPP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: ICS Department, U.C.I.
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:50:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <1992Dec16.132332.155177@bmug.org>, Lester_Weiss@bmug.org wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about a SLIP or PPP package for the Mac?  What
> is out there, both commercial and shareware?  Prices? If you have it, how well
> does it work?  any and all info. appreciated...

 MacSLIP
 Hyde Park Software
 P.O. Box 7133
 Austin, TX  78713
 (512) 472-0744

 info@hydepark..com

I looked at it along with some folks from our campus Network &
Telecommunications and it worked well enough that we will be getting a site
license... eventually. I don't know what the hold up is...

Works especially well for ftp. I tried Fetch with goood success at 2400
bps. For telnet sessions you'll want 9600 bps minimum. At typing speeds,
the packet overhead is noticeable.

Still waiting for my Apple Express Modem for Duo...

  --scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: caegalla@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Ernie Gallant)
Subject: Looking for books...
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:09:29 GMT

     I'm looking for reference lit. on upgrading, maintaining & repairing
   MACs. I have the Pina text that goes up to the SE. However, I'd like to
   find material which covers the models since the SE.

     If replying by E-Mail please include 'Larry Boyd' in the subject
   header. Many thanks in advance.

                                Larry Boyd

                           caegalla@atlas.upei.ca
From: arao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (SDCC13 Sucks )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: laser printers
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:00:18 GMT

i am going to buy a quadra 700 system in the near future. i need
a laser printer in the 700-800 dollar range.  the printers i am 
aware of in this range are the hp laserjet iip plus and the
apple laser writer LS.  are there any advantages of one printer over
the other.  i saw the apple laser writer in a computer store today
and i was quite impressed...but from what i could see, this printer
does not support postscript!  is this a problem???

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Don Lee <DL10@cornell.edu>
Subject: Apple CD SC Repairs
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A753F4DC3501EC3F@cu-dialup-0221.cit.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20: 47:24 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: dl10@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d15
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:45:07 GMT

Does anyone (any company) do component level repairs on 
Apple CD ROM drives?  A brand new mechanism (standard 
Apple "repair"/replacement policy) costs approx. $450 -
which isn't worth it

Don Lee (DL10@cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: takrewso@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (thomas a krewson)
Subject: Re: System 6 LC vs System 7 HD Help
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:00:35 GMT

T.M.Haddock (hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com) wrote:
: 
:  I just got an external Maxtor 213 HD from APS for my LC.  It came
:  preformatted and loaded with about 18 meg of software.
: 
:  The problem is that the HD has been formatted with 7.0.1 while I 
:  still have 6.0.7 on my LC.  I don't want to lose all that software 
:  by reformatting - what do I do?
: 
:  Thanks in advance.
: 
:  TRAVIS
:  hhtra@hou281.chevron.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: tuc@calico.cs.wisc.edu (Brian A. Cole)
Subject: IIvx video, Cache, FPU  [was Re: Performa 600 vs. IIvx]
Keywords: Performa,600,600CD,IIvx,CD-ROM,300i
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:25:28 GMT

daley@gemini.cs.nps.navy.mil (John A. Daley) writes:
] As far as the comparison with the IIvx, the case is clear: if you're
] out for value, the P600 series has it all over the IIvx:

] Advantage is signified by "*"

] Factor             P600/600CD                      IIvx/IIvx w/CD
] ------------------------------------------------------------------
] Processor          32 MHz 68030    <-- same -->    32 MHz 68030
] Data bus           16 MHz (sigh)   <-- same -->    16 MHz (sigh)
] Accelerator slot   available       <-- same -->    available

] Base HD config     160 MB *                         80 MB
] ------------------------------------------------------------------
] (Note: Performa 600CD 5/160/CD is $2499 list; IIvx 5/80/CD is locally
]        about $2660 street. Most P600's are selling at list, due to
]        demand outstripping supply.)
] ------------------------------------------------------------------
] Extended Keybd II  included *                       extra (~ $149)

] Integrated SW      included *                       extra

] PC Exchange        included *                       extra

] At Ease            included *                       extra

] System SW          System 7.1P *                    System 7.1
]                                ^
]                                |-- IMHO

] Math chip          slot ready                       32 MHz 68882 in *

] Cache              No capability                    32K installed   *

] Onboard video      16-bit to 14" monitors        16-bit to 16" mons *

Let's clear-up this misconception.  The IIvx can _not_ drive 16" monitors
with its built-in video.  This has been widely misreported both on the Net
and in the Macintosh magazines (MacWeek did it first).



I agree with your analysis for the most part, but I think you underplay
the importance of a few of the IIvx's features.

The importance of the FPU is not that it speeds things up (unless the
user is a serious number cruncher), but that some software doesn't
run _at_all_ without one.  For some trivial, but illustrative, examples
of this, consider various AfterDark modules.
IMHO, the FPU is more of a compatibility issue than a speed issue, though
this may change if newer versions of utilities such as SoftwareFPU get
developes.

The Cache is purly a speed issue, but it should be mentioned that the
sppedup it provides is usually quite significant.

brian

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: chet@mri.com (Chet Wood)
Subject: Line of bad pixels on Mac Portable LCD
Organization: Microtec Research Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:30:11 GMT

Hi
	I'm thinking about buying a mac portable. It has a horizontal
line across lower part of the screen. The owner says that it has been
there since the machine was almost new: it showed up just after the
90-day warranty expired. He said Apple told him it was a design
defect.

If that's true, there must be a lot of portables with that defect. The
deal is good enough that I can live with a few dead pixels--- I just
want to make sure it's not a sign that the display is about to blow: I
imagine that's a _very_ expensive proposition on a portable.

thanks for any info, 

chet
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chet@mri.com             2350 Mission College Boulevard
wood@netcom.com              Santa Clara, CA 95054
		
The views expressed in this article are my own and do not represent
the views of Microtec Research.
From: ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Duo Dock video
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:02:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.ibhan.724734125

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>    Actually, I think that you need 2 256k VRAM SIMMs, the kind that are
>used in the Quadra's.

That's not what I heard.  Where did you get this information?  Maybe I
should open up my dock and take a look.
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                                     - - - 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau)
Subject: System 7.1 /Duo Problems?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:46:07 GMT

Hi Netters,
  I would like to offer some of my experiences with my new Duo 230 and
System7.1
and then ask for any comments or suggestions.
 Well I really love my new machine, but I have had more than a few problems
with it.  At first I thought it was hardware related, but then after some
trial and error I discovered that it was software...  in particular is was
system 7.1 and some system extensions/ utilities.
  The problems cropped up when I was testing out some software that was
incompatible with system7.  The system froze and I was forced to press the
hard shutdown key in the back.  Unfortunately upon start-up the disk was
not recognized.  In fact, booting off of the disktools floppy gave me the
dreaded message "This Disk is Damaged.  Do you want to initialize?".  Of
couse I said
no and desperately tried to ressurect my drive.  The solution was using
MacTools 2.0.  It gave me the message  that the Volume information blocks
were corrupted.
Fortunately it was able to repair and I was on my merry way.
  After some investigation I discovered that this happened all the time
upon hard shutdown.  After further investigation I discovered that when I
installed a virgin system the hard disk survived hard shutdowns.  I am
pretty sure that
the culprits are Extensions Manager and Before Dark.  Both modify the
system
in some way.  Currently I am running with a minimum of extensions being
very wary after my experiences.
  My question to everyone is, has anyone else encountered this problem?  Am
I
doing something wrong?  Is there a solution?  Thanks....

David Lau
lau@aerospace.aero.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: calboyd@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Larry Boyd)
Subject: Help! Connecting Proj. Panel to MAC.
Keywords: Computer Projection Panel
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:02:50 GMT


       We have a Sharp QA-75 Computer Projection Panel which we would
   like to be able to connect to any of our MACs. The MACs we have are
   Classics, Classic IIs, LCs, SE/20 and SE/30. What we need is a cable
   that would enable us to make such a connection. 

       All and any assistance in this matter would be appreciated.

                Thanks in advance,

                  Larry Boyd
From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Advanced Gravis 3-button mouse?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:10:13 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: poorman@convex.com's message of 16 Dec 92 15:48:04 GMT

In article <poorman.724520884@convex.convex.com> poorman@convex.com (Peter Poorman) writes:

>The last time I queried the net the Advanced Gravis "Supermouse" was the
>3-button mouse of choice.
>
>Is this still the case?


I sure hope not -- they don't sell it any more!

jas
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rpj@beta.lanl.gov (Richard Jenks)
Subject: Re: Macintosh Power Requirements
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.100442.119636@marshall.wvnet.edu> gary@marshall.wvnet.edu (gary's news) writes:
>A professor here at the university wishes to purchase a Macintosh
>computer here in the USA and sent it to a friend in Ghana, Africa.
>
>Will this work as far as power requirements, plugs, etc. ????
>
Gary,  I found that a MacPortable was somewhat "immune" to the power-source
differences, when I spent a year in England, recently.  I would think that
a PowerBook would be useful wherever the input voltage/freq is 100-240V AC and
50/60 Hz.  Because the PowerBook uses a battery with an AC Adapter, the friend
in Ghana would have a built-in power transformer with this type of machine  
(provided the input voltage and frequency is roughly in the range shown above).

This system was useful to me, anyway.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.intel
From: cbsmith@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: 486 vs. Mac Benchmarks
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:49:32 GMT

-- 
Actually, Claris Resolve kicks Excel 4.0 and 123 2.0 for numerical calculations.
Exel does win in a sorting competition. Resolve uses an updated version of WingZ.

--Bo ("the One who Knows")