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From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Primus Sucks!)
Subject: Re: Who has best 20 TV set ?
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:15:57 GMT

In article <WANCHO.12839187521.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> ZEPHYR2@IBGUNIV.BITNET (Giorgio Marinangeli) writes:
>A few days ago, Bob Hansen (rch@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com) wrote:
>
>: I am looking to purchase a 19/20" TV set and am looking for the
>: best set for the bucks.
>
>I think one of the very best 20" TV set available on the market is the
>BANG & OLUFSEN BeoVision Mx 3500, my family bought one a few months ago
>and we are very happy about it.
>
>It has got a very good and natural image, an amazing stereo sound and
>an absolute outstanding design and quality.
>Just for example, the remote control is made in stainless steel: quite
>heavy, but virtually indestructible.
>
>It is fully equipped with in/out connections and can be upgraded with
>an optional motorized stand to move it directly from the remote control.
>
>Actually it is 21", and I don't remember exactly how much it costed.
>I think it is quite expensive, but I know that in U.S.A. the prices
>of electronic equipments are much cheaper than in Europe (even less
>than half the price, sometimes).
>
>--------------------------------
> Giorgio Marinangeli
> Bergamo - Italy
> E-mail: Zephyr2@Ibguniv.Bitnet
Have you ever seen the Sony 20ERX20? Is the Bang & Olufsen better or equal?
From: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: ld dust question
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Carderock

hi,

i've been experiencing some dust problems with my pioneer
3030 ld player.  it seems that dust builds up and eventually
covers the optical pickups.  the player every now and then
will have difficulty identifying the type of disc put in the
machine.  also the number of audio defects go way up.  i've 
been able to temporarily dust off the lense by using a can
of compressed air.  this usually suffices for a few weeks.
is there a more thorough/effective cleaning method??
i'd prefer not to take my disk player apart.

all suggestions are welcome,
and please email to:

lito lucena
lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil
 now at  :  dtmb, cdhq, nwsc          'if the defaults weren't good enough,
 formerly: dtrc, carderock                  they wouldn't be defaults.....'
							bill's sister
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Pioneer CLD-D701 (my experiences)
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.045515.27498@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
|> In article <BzHEFq.GE0@icon.rose.hp.com> jimr@mothra.rose.hp.com (Jim Ranlett) writes:
|> >
|> >I believe they started selling them in May/June 92.  My player had a 
|> >manufacturing date of April 1992.  If you cannot afford a CLD-95 (~$1700?)
|> >(reviewed by William Cruce in an earlier post), the D701 is worth looking
|> >at.  The Phillips CDV-488 is also well regarded, although I personally
|> >have no experience with it, never having seen one.
|> >
|> 	It seems that the only conclusion about the D701 is that,
|> although they work as intended, there is a large failure rate
|> since there are several people in this group (myself included)
|> who got players with problems.
|> 	-- Ethan
|> 
 Anyone considering spending ~$1000 for an LD player should at
least check out the Pioneer CLD-52--it is an Elite model without
the digital effects. Out of curiosity ??? Do people use the digital
features a lot ? Clean clv scan, slow mo,etc.


Dan
  
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler))
Subject: Re: Ready to buy a Sony TR-101??
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:20:09 GMT

pvj@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Paul Jacobson) writes:

>     I had have read a few notes concerning the new Sony CCD TR-101
>handy cam camera. Apparently Sony has placed an imbargo on the mail
>ordering of this camera. Sony states that they want to hold the fixed price
>of 1599.00 through retail stores, and not allow any mail ordering of this
>camera until mid 1993.

Isn't there a U.S. government agency that looks into this kind of garbage?
-- 
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"The future is tekon"     Internet: fiedler@netcom.com or david@infopro.com
USMail:InfoPro Systems, PO Box 220 Rescue CA 95672 Phone:916/677-5870 FAX:-5873
From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Editing, Inexpensively
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:56:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I have a Panasonic camcorder and Amiga computer (for graphics).  I also have
a Panasonic VCR with flying erase heads.  If I use the pause button on the
VCR well, I can generally make pretty clean cuts from one scene to the
next.  Still, once in a while the tape will freak for a fraction of a 
second in between graphics-video-graphics etc.  What would be the least
expensive means of getting seamless playback of a number of graphics and
video scenes?  

Another question..on still framing.  My old roommate had a vcr that had a 
near perfect freeze frame.  That is, it appeared that the image was loaded
to a ram chip and displayed from there.  Then he could use his digitizer
to grab red-green-blue info and capture the image with very little 
distortion.  Most vcrs I see today still have that annoying horizontal
bar and other image distorion when the pause button is pressed.  What
specific feature should one look for in a vcr that would give me the
nice clear/stable paused image?

Please e-mail response to amigan@cup.portal.com        Thanks.  -Mike
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Dumb Q:  Can Surround Sound be Recorded?
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:35:21 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: na
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <29126@oasys.dt.navy.mil> smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt) writes:
<
<    I have a 2 year old Sharp MTS stereo HiFi VCR.  I recently got
<a Kenwood ProLogic receiver and some surround speakers.  The surround
<performance is evident when watching encoded cable TV and playing encoded
<rented movies.
<    I've recorded encoded movies off cable, but when played back the
<surround was absent.  Is my VCR just passing the encoded signal through
<to the receiver in the first cases?  Are stereo HiFi VCRs incapable
<of *recording* surround sound encoding?  Am I asking to many stupid
<questions?

Your VCR knows absolutely nothing about Surround Sound.  Without being there
to check over your system, I can't say what is wrong, but you should be having
no problems recording a stereo program and playing it back later, with stereo
and surround sound.  Are you getting the stero played back OK?  If the answer
is yes, then you should have surround as well.
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From: mowat@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (Eric Mowat)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: 8mm vs. C-VHS: a beginner's question
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:26:20 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology
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In article <9212210205.AA21671@heartland.bradley.edu_> tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu writes:

>My turn, I guess, to answer this oft asked question.  Go 8mm or 
>preferably Hi8.  VHS has 230 lines of video resolution.  8mm about 
>330 lines.  Hi8 has 400 lines.  The higher number of lines results 
>in a VERY noticeable quality improvement, even on poor quality 
>TVs.  400 lines resolution exceeds what most broadcast stations 
>transmit, while 230 is significantly less.  Plus 8mm format will 
>record for 2 hours, while VHS-C is 20 minutes. 
> 

First of all VHS-C has 30 minute tapes, and longer versions are supposedly
on the way.  Also, everyone here seems to complain that 30 minutes is way
too short.  I don't know what most people use their camcorders for, but I
use mine to record birthdays, Christmas, vacations, etc.  I can't imagine
wanting to shoot 2 hours of raw footage for those kinds of functions.

If you want to shoot an event, like a wedding, then the 30 minute format
might be limiting.  It depends on your needs.  

As for resolution, I only own a VHS VCR, so, the picture quality of my 
camcorder looks great to me!  

Also, from what I understand, Hi-8 suffers from dropout if played too
much, which pretty much requires you to copy the tape onto S-VHS or VHS
for frequent viewing.

Now, having said that, I wish I had bought Hi8 since it seems to have
better editing features than the VHS-C camera (wimpy synchro edit vs.
Ctrl-L).  Also, dubbing between Hi8 and S-VHS should hold up better
over multi-generation copies.  Keep editing features in mind, since raw
footage does get pretty boring, and more than one or two generations
for VHS start to look pretty bad, even to me!
-- 
----
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Pyramid Technology Corp.	{sun,hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!pyramid!mowat
From: tomp@bigred.EBay.Sun.COM (Tom Paolucci)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Camcorder repair
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:45:36 GMT
Reply-To: tomp@bigred.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.ebay.sun.com

I am looking for a repair shop to work on my Sony Camcorder in the San Jose, South SF Bay Area.
If you have any recommendations of reasonable, dependable repair shops please pass them
on to me.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: zane_clark@csufresno.edu
Subject: hi8 vs ?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 10:29:35 PST
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OK, I will show my ignorance by asking someone to explain the
advantages of hi8 vs regular 8.  I have a Sony TR71, and I can't
believe the picture quality could be any better on another camera. So
is the HI8 strictly related to the sound quality?  
-- 
  
Zane Clark
Library Instruction Coordinator
California State University Fresno
 
zane_clark@csufresno.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bladin@wam.umd.edu (Ilana J. Getz)
Subject: Re: Hi-8 Video Tapes
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.202132.14388@unet.net.com> larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson) writes:
>In article <9212201446.AA20775@heartland.bradley.edu_> tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu writes:
>
> -> As far as the dropouts themselves, they define a dropout as a 
> -> temporary loss of signal that exceeds 15 microseconds.  He agrees 
> -> that the more serious ones display as a sparkle, and you would be 
> -> unlikely to see a 15 microsecond dropout (too short).  The 
> -> specification for initial dropout tendency (number of 15 usec 
> -> drops per minute) is about 5 for both Hi8 and SVHS in Sony's 
> -> professional line.  He dropped a plug, noting that 3M Hi8 tape is 
> -> rated at 35 per minute, much worse.  These ratings are for the 
> -> professional line.
>
>
>  This neglects the observation that 15 microseconds is about 1/4 the
>width of the screen on a scan line, and is likely to be *very* obvious.
>
Of course, all of this depends on how much drop out compensation whatever
source deck you are using has. The new Sony 9850 has top notch DOC, so
most tapes look really clean. Cheaper consumer gear won't fare as well...

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: pokey@cbnewse.cb.att.com (s.b.hughes)
Subject: Cannon UCS3 Camcorder
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:20:58 GMT
Keywords: Feedback Please



   Camcorder Fans,

 Cannon has released the UCS3. Some info about it follows.

 Hi8, DSP, 12X 3 speed zoom lens, 6 program AE modes, Digital Effects
 (Freeze, Overlap, Art and Close-up), Build in Character Generator & 
 Titler, 12 shutter speeds, etc............

 Any comments would be appreciated. Any reviews about this toy?
 How would it compare to the TR-101 or its clones??

                          Thanks Much!

                Steve Hughes
                AT&T Bell Labs
                (708)979-5090

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Panasonic's LX-900 Laser Disc Player?
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:59:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.192142.14618@Pacesetter.COM> rabbit@pacesetter.com (Joe Kwan) writes:
>There's been some discussions of the Pioneer CLD-D701 laser disc
>player with digital field store, but has anyone looked at the
>Panasonic LX-1000 or LX-900?  I saw both of these at the Good Guys
[...]
>disc).  Also, the LX-900 display shows minutes, seconds and frame
>number (0..29 {at least for the CLV disc I was looking at} with in
>the second), whereas the D701 does not.

That display of frame number is because the Panasonic is able to
grab a FIELD from every frame, even at the outer edge of the disc
(which field is not exactly clear...).  As a Pioneer player approaches
the outer edge of the disc (this is all CLV mode mind you) it
grabs fewer and fewer frames till it is sampling about 1 in 3
(still only displaying a single FIELD though).  Which frames get
sampled *seems* to be dependent on the physical orientation of
the disc in the tray.  If you are after a single frame and it is
not displayed on the first try,, stopping the player and shifting
the disc by 10 or 15 degrees *may* change which frame(s) get sampled.

This is only important if you want to study something which only
appears in ONE frame near the edge of the disc (like the Devil Mask
in the EXORCIST, near the end of side 1).  More relevant is that
slow motion effects become more jerky towards the edge of the disc
on a Pioneer player whereas they *should* be smooth on a Panasonic.
(the only exception to this field grabbing behavior among Pioneer
players is the industrial n-8000 model, but it is expensive and
has many limitations most of us would not tolerate).

To compare the players, you should look for things like differences
in noise streaks in large fields of red (on the test disc LD-101) and
blurring of small intense areas of red (lots of red lights in BATMAN
RETURNS).  Also see how well they handle a really bad, noisy disc
(of your choice).

Some people (myself among them) think the Pioneer players have a
better picture than any of the others.  However many people on the
net own Panasonic players and are quite happy with them.  Panasonic
equipment generally has a very low failure rate (good repair record).
I don't think anyone would claim the same for Pioneer.


-- 
	The answer is never simple and is always changing.
    William L.R. (Bill) Cruce       INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: ag279@yfn.ysu.edu (Robert C. Knollman)
Subject: Re: 8mm vs. C-VHS: a beginner's question
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:09:41 GMT


Personal (and non-technical) endorsedment---
go for the 8 mm.  The ability to get 2 hours of prime video
on a cassete is great, and if you are concerned
about quality you'll quickly decide to archive your
raw 8mm tape instead of copying over it.  In this casecheaper tahn C.  and the quality is far superior.  
I have many people how temm me that the stuff I shoot oon
8mm and dub to CHEAP vhs tape for them looks far better
than what they shoot directly onto vhs.  the
techies woudl go on about bandwith and resolution...but the
bottom line is that it just plain looks better.


/bob
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: bwe@navaho.cc.bellcore.com (elliott,bradley w)
Subject: BackMusic for video productions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:46:32 GMT
Keywords: Needle Drop??


Has anyone out there used Creative Support Services? I am
looking for a good source of music with the broadest range
(Industrial, High Tech and Corporate Image, etc.).
Would like to hear your views on paying needle drop
charges. How does one know when, how much and who to pay.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video
From: ds@netcom.com (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: Which decks/camcorders do RC timecode ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.023924.4777@spcvxb.spc.edu> killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.204005.25031@netcom.com>, ds@netcom.com (David Schachter) writes:
>> Don't forget the CCDV-5000 from Sony-- it supports RC time code.
>
>The 5000 was introduced _before_ RC time code.  What I think you are refering 
>to is the 16 line TBC that is in the 5000.

Aaack.  A quick RTFM shows that you are right and I am wrong.

The CCDV-5000 supports index marks, nothing more.  The manual warns that the
linear counter may not agree with the actual tape position and should be used
as a "guide," which leads me to believe the linear counter is just counting
frames and can get confused.  Drat.  Double-drat.  I thought it had RC when
I bought it.

By the way, from whence did you obtain the information about the 5000's TBC--
that it is 16 lines deep?  I ask because I would like to get more technical
information on the machine.

					-- David Schachter
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: Sync cable Sony->Panasonic
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
Distribution: rec.video.production
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:35:33 GMT

In article <ETOBHAG.92Dec21143729@etn.etnxb.eua.ericsson.se>
etobhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634) writes:

 |The camcorder has a pinhole called remote where one among other
 |things can connect a VCR to control the camcorder via the VCR.
 |However, I asked a salesman about this cable and he said it has
 |to be the same brand for this to work (Sony -> Sony, Panasonic ->
 |Panasonic).

 Yes. I recommend the system of Sony: LANC system. A brand-new SONY
VCRs have the function to `drive' the camcorder as a player while
editing if both connected by LANC cable. Almost all the brand-new
Hi8 party's cameras and decks have equipped with this protocol.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: TBC use
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:46:49 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <C03p4t.Dyw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> duvall@eagle.sangamon.edu (Mike Duvall) writes:
<I have run a production company full time for seven years and part time
<for the last seven years. I have seen a lot of changes and have some
<good hints for you.  FIRST be careful using the term broadcast quality.
<It is generally accept that SVHS cannot be used to edit for commercials.
<I have seem some people shoot commercials on SVHS and then edit to
<another format. Some engineers do not consider 3/4" broadcast quality.
<The FCC has rules but as long as the picture quality is very good you
<usually don't have problems. Lighting is very important!!! Toasters are
<also not broadcast quality or some might say full-broadcast quality but
<many people still use them.

Sorry, but I believe that 3/4" Umatic is broadcast quality.  My opinion.

But, the Video Toaster is definately broadcast quality.  It meets ALL of the
FCC NTSC specifications.  Hell, it is even being used for the new Sci-Fi program
Babylon 5.  Damn, that video sure beats alot of other stuff that I have seen
produced.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: quandt@cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Subject: video capture
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:25:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO

Looking for recommendatinos and also a list of products that are
not recommended for doing real time frame capture to harddisk. 
We are looking for a board to be plugged into either an Amiga 3000
or a clone (preferably EISA based but ISA (standard 386's) would
be fine also).  The board must be able to do sustained 30fps.  We
realize that this puts heavy requirements on the disk space and 
performance.  Basically, this question is first asking who has
boards that can do this, and second (most importantly) who has
boards that produce good quality?  We require the abililty to 
capture at up to CCIR-601.