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From: zeke@dante.uucp (zero kelvin)
Subject: tragic rabbit
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:51:18 GMT
Organization: H&A Computer Services




    This is a poem I ran across recently.  It is the frontispiece
    in a book entitled _The Queen of the Damned_ by Anne Rice.  The
    poem is by Stan Rice, her husband.

    I thought that, for several reasons none being particularly
    important, the poem was appropriate for this newsgroup.


                       TRAGIC RABBIT

            Tragic rabbit, a painting.
            The caked ears green like rolled corn.
            The black forehead pointing at the stars.
            A painting on my wall, alone

            as rabbits are
            and aren't.  Fat red cheek,
            all Art, trembling nose,
            a habit hard to break as not.

            You too can be a tragic rabbit; green and red
            your back, blue your manly little chest.
            But if you're ever goaded into being one
            beware the True Flesh, it

            will knock you off your tragic horse
            and break your tragic colors like a ghost
            breaks marble; your wounds will heal
            so quickly water

            will be jealous.
            Rabbits on white paper painted
            outgrow all charms against their breeding wild;
            and their rolled corn ears become horns.

            So watch out if the tragic life feels fine-
            caught in that rabbit trap
            all colors look like sunlight's swords,
            and scissors like The Living Lord.

                                    STAN RICE
                                 Some Lamb (1975)
-- 

-zer0 kelvin
From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <l6oi1rINN625@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>,
lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM) writes...
>Weren't you the one who was complaining endlessly about your angst
>lying in the fact that you are never going to have a relaitonship again?
>Weren't you the one who stated you made a conscious *choice* not to
>have any more relationships?

Not guilty. I WAS the one who complained of a terrible situation
that I still don't know whether it was really a relationship.
What I in FACT said was that WOMEN had made a conscious choice
not to go out with me, and therefore I was choosing not to
TRY anymore. The difference is that I no longer want to get
my heart broken, as I know nothing will come of it anyway. Get it?

>I didn't post my angst to get the approval of you or the net or
>anyone.  I posted it cause I felt angstful at the time.  I still feel
>angstful, and even more so now because even though I know you're just
>another net.dork on the other side of an anonymous ethernet line, I
>feel I have to reply to your posting anyway in order to restore some
>sort of sense of worth.  The fact that I have to defend what makes me
>feel angstful to someone I don't even know and don't have much respect
>for in the first place is pretty sad.

What's the problem? I have the right to speak my opinion, and from
where I'm sitting, I cannot possibly see what's gotten you so
worked up. If it makes you feel better to call me names, go ahead.
It only reinforces current misogynistic feelings.

>In fact, I'm going to stop right now before I stir myself up into a
>veritable tizzy of self-loathing.

The point is that you should loathe me instead of yourself. THEN
you feel much better about your relationship and post here to
make us all feel bad. THAT is what females do for alt.angst.

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From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.205330.13469@microunity.com>,
ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes...
>>>Weren't you the one who was complaining endlessly about your angst
>>>lying in the fact that you are never going to have a relaitonship again?
>>>Weren't you the one who stated you made a conscious *choice* not to
>>>have any more relationships?
>>Not guilty. I WAS the one who complained of a terrible situation
>>that I still don't know whether it was really a relationship.
>>What I in FACT said was that WOMEN had made a conscious choice
>>not to go out with me, and therefore I was choosing not to
>>TRY anymore. The difference is that I no longer want to get
>>my heart broken, as I know nothing will come of it anyway. Get it?
>We would have gotten it if you'd actually written that.  But no, it
>was a figment of your imagination.

Eric, you are an ass. What follows is EXACTLY what I posted a
few days ago:

[Yep. I've given up, or at least I'm trying to. I WANT it
to keep me from ever thinking that it could work.
I tried. It doesn't work. Since I have no chance of ever being
in a relationship at all, I'm not going to even try. In fact,
I'm going to be EXTRA-hostile to the idea just so I can make
sure that I don't get my hopes up. Yes, I'd love to be in
a relationship, even an lousy one. I'd also love to win the
lottery, even a little one. I know I'm never going to win
so I don't buy tickets anymore.]

>I'm getting tired of your blatant lying, and of your incredible
>hostility towards women.  You win, you're more fucked-up than
>I am.  You've got a great ability to lie and twist people's words.
>You'll make a great lawyer.  Unfortunately, those same traits
>make a lousy human being.  And they make for tiresome reading.

Eric, give up, learn to read, take a basic logic course, SOMETHING.
Don't accuse me of lying when you don't take the time to read
what I say. You really need help.

>Don't bother to post a follow-up, you're going in my KILL file.

All of alt.angst will thank you, thus sparing them your
vindictive attempts to slander me.

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From: stuczyns@presto.ig.com (Martin Stuczynski)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Lotto angst
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:17:40 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.

In article <1992Jul25.030628.10844@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
> Oh please.  You don't know what Lotto angst is.  We do not even *have*
> a lottery in North Carolina. 
 
> Gee it must be nice to live in a place with a lottery.  Maybe
> we will get one someday.  Or maybe we will get indoor plumbing.
> Or maybe we will be allowed to have more than one decent Senator
> from our state.  Naaahhhhh......  (in fact, we stand to lose the
> one decent one we DO  have this year...)



Yea, I relish the opportunity to be able to win millions instantly
(even though they dole out your winnings over twenty years). I used to
think that playing the lotto was foolish (odds are 14 million to one
of winning) but then I thought what the odds of winning were if I
did'nt play. 
 What would all you angsters do if you won the lottery?? The first
thing I would do is listen to the answering machine take calls and get
a PO box.


-Marty
Xref: sparky alt.angst:2618 alt.romance:10206 alt.suicide.holiday:1736
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.romance,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Male-Female relationships explained
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:39:21 GMT
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <ogorman.711477234@unix1.tcd.ie> ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
>Male-Female relationships explained: It boils down to this...
>
>Male: I will give you (insert material good of your choice) in return
>for sex.
>
>Female: I will give you sex for (insert material good of choice).
>
>And that is it.



Ahh..Lucifuge....the beauty of simplicity..;->..i should have know
you would cut to the heart of the matter..


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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: iam30974@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (.I.Moscoso.)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: pez
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:52:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mikey@ontek.com (euphausia superba) writes:

>pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez
> pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 
>  pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 
>   pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 
>    pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 
>     pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 
>      pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez pez 


I count 85 pez...


--
-ivan
		possibly less meaningful than the former?
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Stupid User angst
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:31:59 GMT

Using UNIX _always_ makes me feel like a Stupid User.  I am using xwindows
and that makes it five times worse.  Why can't they find a decent operating
system that people can use without having to become fu*k*ng experts!  I hate it
I loath it I despise it!  vi?  Go stick it up your a*rse!  Emacs?  I'd sooner
f*ck a dead donkey!  Just to really do my brain in, I telnet onto an IBM host
running some other Operating-System-From-Hell!!!  Why oh why oh why oh why.....

There must be some strange people around, if somebody actually feels at home 
with all this sh*t!  I know Windows and MACs aren't THAT good, but at least 
you don't feel completely intimidated, baffled, bemused, paranoid etc. After
a 'normal' session!

I AM a STUPID user!


Nick-(shit for brains)       DoD 1069

Press r to format disk:

"Just another prick in the wall"
From: kimy@monteverdi.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:24:27 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Jul23.200051.20852@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa C D Carstensen) writes:
>Law schools - feh!  I can't see how they can recruit students in all good
>conscience knowing that only half of their graduates are ever going to get jobs
>in that field.   It is so unethical of them to seduce potential students with
>the promise of high-paying jobs in the future while knowing that the only
>reason why a lot of students choose law school is because they can't get a 
>job with their bachelor's degree in the first place.  If I were you, I'd sue
>your school for breach of promise (after you have the degree in your hot little
>hands, of course).  


A friend and I were discussing something similar.  We agreed that
many academic departments in universities were being unethical in
letting so many people major in those fields.  Departments in
question: political science, sociology, psychology, English, history
(add your own peeve if you wish).  How many of these people will have
decent-paying jobs after they graduate with their bachelor's degrees?
How many of these will go to graduate school because they could not
find jobs, and after receiving the Ph.D. in English, again not be
able to find a job because of the glut of Ph.D.'s in English?

For those people who are studying these areas because they love
the subject, and desire to pursue further research, I don't see
any problems.  But how many of these people are there in a typical
political science department, for example?

At my undergraduate institution I noticed how certain departments
were quite "cruel" about getting rid of students they did not think
would be successful in that area; among them were math, CS, and
engineering.  The professors let you know at the introductory course
level whether they think you should continue in that major.  Having
known people who limped along in some of these majors, graduatee with 2.0
GPA's, and were not able to find jobs, I wonder if indeed this practice
of early discouragement is "cruel."


yong-mi
sue the bastards
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Hey, Dave! Dave Hinz! 
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:19:14 GMT

Who is this Dave character, anyway?  Can't he just go away?  Can't somebody
make him, please?  People like him should not be allowed computer access, 
perhaps he should have his keyboard cut off!

I thought we were all adults (pathetic, but adults) here, who let this thing
onto the News net?


Nick               DoD 1069                     (.sig?)

42 ?

"Just another brick...."
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: FLATLINE! (--------------) flat line.......get it?
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:16:01 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

> Actually, we did not create this newsgroup for you. Suprise suprise surprise!
> This group is just for us angst-ridden pathetic dweebs ... who gives a flying 
> f*ck what you think or care? If you do not like this group, unsubscribe to it!

Now, now--is THAT any way to talk? Profanity? Hatred toward another fellow human
being??? Geez, I thought this was supposed to be a newsgroup of love & sympathy.
I didn't expect this...this cold, inhumane revulsion! Talk to me, pal. Obviously
you are going through some deep problems in your life right now....why don't you
tell me what's making you so hostile? Repressed childhood memories of a deceased
pet canine? Or sexual disorientation? Perhaps you should seek psychiatrical care
and commit yourself to a mental ward, where the nice men in white suits can take
good care of you...

Meanwhile, I think I'll stay subscribed to this group...I think it's kind fun!!!

Peace and Love and Happiness and Warm Fuzzies to you all!

=)

Kristoph
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Hey, Dave! Dave Hinz! 
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:42:28 GMT

It's amazing how one's private e-mail gets posted in public like this.

The point of my message, which you so obviously missed, is that if you are
going to be a pissy, sarcastic twit, I would guess that most people here 
don't want to hear about it.  Degrading the readers of a newsgroup is probably
not the best way to introduce yourself and endear yourself to them.

Your personal attacks are not worth answering, even if I _DID_ have the
time.

As far as your posting my E-MAIL to you, if I had felt it needed to be posted
I would have posted it myself, thank you very much.  Flame wars are a
stupid waste of bandwidth, and serve little purpose, at least on this board.
Might I reccomend you check out alt.flame if you want to stir up the muck.

Here's hoping that you will be able to get in touch with what you are 
feeling, and trying to say.  Attacks on my personal attributes, which
you have no knowledge of, are juvenile at best.


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.200051.20852@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa C D Carstensen) writes...
>You want a *real* job when you graduate?  Then whatever are you doing in 
>law school? ;)

Hiding from the job market. Because I had noplace else to go.

>Law schools - feh!  I can't see how they can recruit students in all good
>conscience knowing that only half of their graduates are ever going to get jobs
>in that field.   It is so unethical of them to seduce potential students with
>the promise of high-paying jobs in the future while knowing that the only
>reason why a lot of students choose law school is because they can't get a 
>job with their bachelor's degree in the first place.  If I were you, I'd sue
>your school for breach of promise (after you have the degree in your hot little
>hands, of course).  

Luckily for UB, I'm, totally unqualified to even sue people.
You see, I had a Contracts prof who refused to teach us the
law of contracts. We never covered breach of promise.

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From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Hugs and ziggy dolls for everyone
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.103032.18654@beaver.cs.washington.edu>,
boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes...
>Anyway.  It'd be just slightly hypocritical of me to complain about
>the existence of the flaming.  Instead, I'll say that an appalling
>number of you are going about it wrong.  If the rest of you are each
>as slow as I was in figuring that out, I'll have to wade through yet
>more lousy-but-technically-correct ones.

I can only assume you're referring to myself and Eric.

>I won't bother speculating about how what I think started as a joke
>apparently became serious.  But I think it's very difficult to justify
>a serious flame.

Well, my flames are almost always jokes. Eric, I don't know. I
get the idea from his tone in email that he's serious.

>Come on, now.  For someone else on the net to have a significant
>influence on what other people think of *you*, that person must be a
>very talented spin doctor.  But until such a genius shows up and tries
>to paint you as Dr. Mengele, there's no need to bother replying to
>flames and defending yourself.  In the meantime, don't open yourself
>up to being pointlessly offended by assuming the existence of a
>standard of "nice" flaming.  Even if your opponent *is* serious, what
>harm is there in assuming that he isn't?

Well, when someone calls me a liar, I defend myself. Especially
when its blantantly obvious his flames have no basis in reality.

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From: ABienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Career down the toilet angst
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:14:14 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England



Scattered throughout ones working life there are points where
decisions have to be made, cross-roads if you like. Whether
to stay or leave, join this project or that project.
To continue the road metaphor, one is travelling without a map
and each turn may take one onto the great interstate to sun, fun
and happiness, or into a dark dingy blind alley. There are sign
posts but they cannot be trusted

And here's the angstful bit. Every turn I make is the wrong turn,
and from my vantage point at the end of the blind alley I can see
everyone else turning the other way.

Happened again the other day. One direction was sign-posted

'Opportunities to learn new skills, have something useful to put
 on your CV (Resume), be in demand all over the world'

the other direction was sign-posted

'Dull project with no funding. Do the same old work over and over again'

I took the obvious choice. Wrong !!!!!
The 'opportunities' have now evaporated and I have been steered into
doing the same stuff that I have been doing for the last six years.

Meanwhile the 'dull project with no funding' has become a pan-European
project with EC funding and at least the potential to visit sunny parts
of southern Europe.

This has happened so many times now, and so often have I been left
choking in the dust of talentless morons accelerating away down that
interstate that I am seriously thinking about jacking it all in and 
going to live a subsistence life in a log cabin in the mountains.
Ensconced therein, I shall write the novel of angst. The definitive
article that will make all who read it realise the meaningless
futility of their existence.

ObAngst: Reading this news group is becoming the high-light of my day.


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  / |   /     /__     \ /   Alex Bienek                 abienek@acorn.co.uk
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/   | /---- /----    /   \  "Cheers ?, Been there. Tiny bar !".......Alex
                            -----------------------------------------------
From: v026ltr5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Monty)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.204720.21637@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
tcarsten@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa C D Carstensen) writes...
>>If it isn't feasible, it isn't an option, is it?
>Let's be nit-picky, eh?  I hate my job and have the option of quitting.
>However, I don't think it's feasable to quit when the job market is in such 
>poor shape while I've got financial responsibilities that require the income
>I've got.  That does not mean that quitting is *not* an option for me.  It
>just means that it is a lousy one.    

I have financial obligations, too. I also have no job when I graduate.
The point is that you HAVE the job. You can use the experience in
that job to get another job. I have neither a job nor experience.
Thus, no options.

>Wouldn't you be ansgtful if you wanted to stay faithful to someone but were
>afraid that you didn't have the maturity to do so?  

Yeah, that's likely. Once again, its just saddening to see someone
who has ALL the options complain about it.

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