HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: AB20 Shutdown
Keywords: organize!
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.050833.12310@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, consp11@bingsuns (Brett Kessler) writes:
|> 
|> And while we're on the topic, what sites mirrored ab20?

The AARNet Archive server mirrors/mirrored AB20. This system, with over
5 Gb of rotating disk, was put in place to reduce the amount of traffic
that was generated by users bringing multiple copies of things available
via FTP into Australia over a single (very expensive) satellite link. It
can be reached as archie.au.

We are very keen to find an alternative to AB20, even if its functionality
ends up being distributed about several servers. Although we cannot offer
to manage an FTP archive, we do have some 300+ Mb of space dedicated to
amiga software. If there was something simple we could store there (FISH ?)
without having to look after it (which you have to do with incoming
areas, etc.) then we might be able to help out.

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From: ruslan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robin C. LaPasha)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestion for new AB20 equivalents
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:25:29 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

[A whole herd of folks discuss... future MULTIPLE sites to succeed
ab20... (Excuse me for deleting the contributor list but we're all
being chummy here anyways...)]

>>> Might I suggest that ftp archive sites decide on what sort of software
>>> they will archive...
>>> (i) A Fish disk and associated software (aquarium, FishCon \etal) site
>>> (ii) A Demo site - Euro, other, commercial, etc., and Sound samples ?
>>> (iii) A utilities site - all of those neat little programs 
>>> (iv) A Game site / Entertainment software
>>> (v) An applications site - things that are large programs for various
>>>      purposes, as opposed to smaller CLI based programs.
>Ux1.cso.uiuc.edu and Grind.isca.uiowa.edu
>both have the (almost) complete fred fish collection.
>Hubcap.clemson.edu
>has a nice collection of 3-D software/utilities, and I'm sure there are a few
>other sites that would be able to handle a small load of files...right?

Hubcap also tends to have fonts and other DTP-type stuff, and also
hyperware (AV flows, CanDo decks, Foundation stacks, etc).

IF you can upload to slac, I guess it'd be an obvious telecom site. ;^)

>Yes, an incoming site is much needed.  This is a VERY good idea.  What about
>amiga.physik.unizh.ch ?

Hmm.  Do we want mirror sites of some really popular stuff... on each
side of the drink?  Because of the big time-changes, I mean.  (I don't
know or care much about how the net-lines work as far as money...)
  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ftrapano@galaxy.afit.af.mil (Frank Trapanotto)
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:35:26 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

Mark_Skaff@softworx.access (Mark Skaff) writes:

>In a message dated Wed  8 Apr 92 09:07, Cython@ais.org (tim Devlin) wrote:

>> minutes at a time.  Have you ever seen a Viedo Toaster Equepted Amiga
>being
>> used by VERY professional people who would NOT even consider an MS-DOS
>> computer for the kind of work they have to do?  Prehaps in your

>But what would Amiga users say if they did not have the Video Toaster to
>defend them? Sure; Maybe the Video Toaster is a major _video_ adapter for
>computers, but who needs video? People don't exactly go to work and use
>Video Toasters - Granted, some people do use them at home, but it is still
>not a major thing. MS-DOS based machines may have disadvantages, but they
>have one main advantage that outweighs all other computers; The
>compatibility and wise usage of it.

>Only recently I realize, "Have I made a mistake in buying an Amiga?".





>-- Via DLG Pro v0.991

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=_=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>Mark Skaff   //   Fidonet: 1:243/44.5
>Ottawa, Ont.//    Only Amiga Makes It Possible.
>=-=-=-=-=\\//=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

Hey,

	There may be people who don't use the Video Toaster.  It is becoming a
fast spreading way of producing professional quality videos.  Our studio uses
toasters to do quality productions on a day to day basis.  Our public
broadcast channel as well as our new stations use toasters.  Hardly anyone
uses it?  Check again.  By the way, if you haven't checked out the upgraded
toaster, check it out.  It's much better than the original.  I was using it
the other day.........NICE!

						((The Trapster))
From: 871579l@aucs.acadiau.ca (Todd Lowe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Maybe a revival of comp.[binaries|sources].amiga is in order
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:11:52 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

pvdh@motship.comsat.gna.org (Paul van der Heu) writes:

>With the end of ab20 in sight it might be a good idea for the programmers
>out there to start using the appropriate newsgroups again..

>Ever since ab20 came to life, a massive library where you could store/get
>your files a HUGE part of the world was left in the cold and/or dependant
>on the few who could get to ab20.. 

>Just keep in mind the VAST majority of amigas is overhere in Europe and 
>with the end of that library you will not get your stuff over here as 
>before, at least not as fast and widespread, and so it just might be a 
>good idea to start using the designated newsgroups again.

>PW

>          Paul van der Heu, FALCON CBCS The MotherShip Connection

Paul, 

comp.sources.amiga & comp.binaries.amiga  are moderated groups.  It happens
that the moderator also maintained ab20, and recenty has been too busy
to keep the two newsgroups up to date.  For the same reason ab20 is going
down he has requested a new moderator for c.s.a and c.b.a.  Until a new
moderator is found I doubt those groups will be of much use.

-Todd

PS:  I'd like to thank Tad for xanth, ab20, and for moderating csa & cba.
	Good Job, and good luck with future endevours.


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+--------------------------------------///-------------------------------------+|    L. Todd Lowe                     ///         Acadia University            |
|    871579l@aucs.acadiau.ca      \\\///          Wolfville, NS, Canada        |+----------------------------------\XX/----------------------------------------+

               "Leak proof seals -- Will !"  -- Murphy
From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Trenton Festival THIS WEEKEND!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:08:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
From: mckeehan@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (William McKeehan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: ab20 going down...I might be able to pick it up
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:56:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center


It seems that the only thing keeping me from picking up where ab20
is leaving off is a 1-gig (or better) SCSI drive.  I would enjoy
doing it, but I can't afford the drive...if anyone happens to have
an old 1-gig scsi lying around and would like to donate it...

\    /       /\  /\         |   // Only  | Internet:	mckeehan@math.utk.edu
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From: umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: EDIT
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:46:24 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



  Well, I have a pretty elementary question here... I was wondering if someone
could give me a command summary for the CLI command 'edit'.  The AmigaDOS
manual doesn't say ANYTHING about it, besides that it's there.

  I'd like to put it in my BBS as a Sysop's text editor.

  By the way, it's from WB 1.3.

Thanks


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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Where can I find ZKick?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:24:17 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.22 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1992Apr7.205717.5718@stsci.edu> kyp@stsci.edu (Mark Kyprianou) writes:
>Title says it all, where can I find ZKick?  Please email.
>		thanks

NOT!  If ZKick wan't SENT to you by COMMODORE, you're using a *P*I*R*A*T*E*D*
*O*S*.  PLEASE DO NOT USE PIRATED SOFTWARE.

Glenn Doiron
--
Amiga UUCP+
Origin:  doiron@starpt.uucp     (Organization:68K Software Development)
         BIX: gdoiron
** Not enough memory to perform requested operation.  Add 4 megs and retry.
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: minix and the amiga
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:34:04 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <232@elfie.async.vt.edu>, wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.100020.14379@bilpin.co.uk> vlod@bilpin.co.uk (vlod kalicun) writes:
>>What I would like to know is does it support hard drives.
>>I've heard mixed reports about some that say they do, and some that
>>say it can't?
>>Would someone please clear this up?
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Vlod Kalicun-       -Real programmers don't write application programs, 
>>SRL Data Limited     they program right down on the bare metal. Application
>>071 267 2561         programming is for feebs who can't do systems programming.
> 
> Yes, MINIX supports hard drive use.  I wonder how it could be run solely from
> floppies!  I *had* it on a 10MB partition on my system for a while, but I blew
> it away at the beginning of this year, and I couldn't tell you where to get a
> copy, since I don't know.
> 
> ;You are entering a world of nested parentheses, a world of maddening confusion
> ;and ludicrous orthagonality.  Beyond this comment line lies - the LISP zone!
> (set! addresses '("jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu" "wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu"))
> (define (mail address)
>   (cond ((list address) (exec "mail" (car address)) (mail (cdr address)))
>   (T ())))
> (mail addresses)
> (= (! '42) (* '42 ... (* '2 (* '1 '1)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Could someone please tell me if minix will boot of my HD on a 3000 or
if it even works.  If there is anything promising please tell me where
I can ftp the files from.  Thanks...

jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
james miller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jdickson@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Dickson)
Subject: Re: Everything killer on the way!!!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:12:01 GMT

In article <1589@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> jcrowe@mpd.tandem.com (Joseph Crowe) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.155300.6848@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> jdickson@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Dickson) writes:
>>In article <wpFSq*c00@motship.comsat.gna.org> pvdh@motship.comsat.gna.org writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr3.040022.29243@news.jit.dec.com>, Walter Zambotti DEC writes:
>>>
>>>> There is new box coming developed by IBM/APPLE/INTEL that will allow you
>>>> to run UNIX MAC-DOS and PC-DOS on the one box.  It is based on IBM's
>>>> RS6000 chip.
>   Just a little bit of information to correct here.  Intel has no
>involvement in the Power PC project.  The silicon manufacturer will be
>Motorola in Austin, TX.  The chip has been alleged to be packaged in a
>format which provides pin-compatability to Moto's 88100 RISC chip.
>>
>sticky swamp of memory to processor and i/o bottlenecks.
>>
>>	On a side note, INTEL is a chip manafacture, not an IBM PC maker. 
>   Actually, Intel does make systems as well.  Just not very good
>ones.

	INTEL makes development systems and I've used some of them. I like
their ICE (In Circuit Emulator) the best. Allows the computer system to pre-
tend it is the CPU on the board being tested. I'm not familiar with their
other systems, but one thing is for sure - they do not make IBM PCs! The
reason IBM PCs are based on Intel processors is, because IBM owns a control-
ling interest in Intel stock. At least that's what I've read/heard. It may
have started out that way, but now IBM PCs continue to be based on Intel
processors, because each generation is pretty much downward compatible. IBM
has a huge installed base to consider.


jeff

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kdmiller@m37-318-7.MIT.EDU (Kenneth D Miller)
Subject: Re: 337 shells on an Amiga 500 - WB is **slow**
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:20:07 GMT

In article <31559@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>>>Unless C= recodes layers to be either 1. way faster (can you say 
>>>>"assembler"?) or 2. [...deleted...], things will stay O(n^2).
>
>Hmm, hate to disappoint you, but if things are O(n^2) and you
>recode in assembler, you still end up with O(n^2)...

Oh, I'm aware of that.  But it *would* be a "better" O(n^2)  ;^)
-- 
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    ///                   |  The Nth Greatest Programmer EVER!!!
\\\///  Amiga Makes It    |
 \XX/     Possible!       |  (Where N is any very large integer)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:8482 comp.sys.amiga.games:6885
From: i03a@AIX (Thomas Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Is there a track type loader for MOD files
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:32:15 GMT
Organization: Univ. Bremen, Informatik

mohrc@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU writes:
: Is there a program that will play mod files as it loads the file? i have
: a very large mod file and when i try to play it i run out of chip mem
: (mod music file)

I don't think there is such a program and I don't believe it would be easy
to write, because the player would have to load the samples from the module
file at runtime, precalculating which samples have to be loaded next and
doing so, before they have to be played. That would be MOST horrible when
using a diskdrive, but COULD be done on a harddrive... Still it would be
a hell of work!
You have to remember that a module is not a straight forward sample that can
be played continuously, but a song that can play any from the 31 instruments
in it at any time.

Sorry to eliminate your hopes ;-)

Bye,
Thomas

----
Thomas Meyer
Internet: i03a@rs550.zfn.uni-bremen.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: hibrown@thor.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject: Re: .info Magazine has "suspended operations"
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 11:27:44 GMT

In article <tdenbo.702944957@guru> tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us (Tom Denbo) writes:
>I too will miss .info greatly!  
>
>Here's a proposal.
>
>Since we Amigans tend to have to fight for our cause, how about posting
>your commitment to renew/subscribe to .info if they can pull it together!
>I've already sent them E-Mail at info@cup.portal.com promising to renew
>for 3 years if they make it!  
>
>How about it, let's get behind the best Amiga mag around!
>
>--
>       //     Tom Denbo                   111 No. Hope St.  Rm 732
>      //      PD&C Workstation Support    Dept. of Water and Power
>    \X/       (213) 481-3376              Los Angeles,  CA   90051   
>===================== INTERNET: tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us  =====================


Excellent idea, but why not send mail directly to .info at any of the
following e-mail addresses:

Compuserve       70215,1034
Portal           INFOMAG 
Genie            INFO.MAG
BIX              INFO.MAG
InterNET         infomag@cup.portal.com

and of course, good old US Mail to:    705 Highway 1 West
                                       Iowa City, IA  52246


Herb


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From: pianoman@misseye.uucp (Alan D. Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  .info Magazine has "suspended operations"
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:42:50 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Apr12.071606.24636@crash.cts.com> jgallego@pnet01.cts.com (Jose Gallego) writes:
>tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us (Tom Denbo) writes:
>>I too will miss .info greatly!  
>>
>>Here's a proposal.
>>
>>Since we Amigans tend to have to fight for our cause, how about posting
>>your commitment to renew/subscribe to .info if they can pull it together!
>>I've already sent them E-Mail at info@cup.portal.com promising to renew
>>for 3 years if they make it!  
>>
>>How about it, let's get behind the best Amiga mag around!
>>
>>--
>>       //     Tom Denbo                   111 No. Hope St.  Rm 732
>>      //      PD&C Workstation Support    Dept. of Water and Power
>>    \X/       (213) 481-3376              Los Angeles,  CA   90051   
>>===================== INTERNET: tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us  =====================
>
>Great idea and thanks for giving us their mail address. I will E-mail them my
>commitment for 3 years and ask them to answer their phones.  
>
>Anyone doing the same? Or at least one year subscription?
>
>Let's show them that we care and that we need honest magazines.
>
>Jose
>
>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!jgallego
>ARPA: crash!pnet01!jgallego@nosc.mil
>INET: jgallego@pnet01.cts.com
>BIX: jmgallego
>CITY: San Diego, CA USA


Well, I JUST renewed, and was only 1 or 2 issues into it when this
happens, so I'm not throwing any more money their way until I see
they're back in business.
If they come back...I will renew again when my subscription expires.

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From: gsrfy@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Which archiver for .lzh files ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:25:53 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


	I have downloaded some AMIGA files from a ftp site; they have a ".lzh"
suffix attached on the file-name. Which archiver program do I use to unpack 
them ?
	Thanks in anticipation for your kind help.

				Rick Yuan
				South Australia

P.S.	Is that archiver on a Fred Fish disk ?
From: huebnere@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: American Magazines (Was Re: .info Magazine..)
Date: 11 Apr 92 08:28:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <57152@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>
>Now (as the politicians might say) That being said... something
>sad happened a few days ago.  .info suspended operations.  God
>only knows the American Amiga-specific magazine market has
>narrowed in the last few years, what with the demise of
>Transactor, AmigoTimes, AMnews, Amiga+, Amiga Sentry, Amigan
>Apprentice & Journeyman, AX, Graf/X, and most recently, Amiga World's
>Tech Journal just a couple months ago.

God's not the only one that knows what happened to the American Amiga
magazines.  Ever since I travelled to Europe and saw the quality and
quantity of fabulous amiga magazines published there I have been 
gratefully shelling out $10 for each one I manage to get my hands on.
The sad truth of the matter is, for any application besides Video, 
the European published magazines do it better, bigger, and with more
depth.  AUI, for instance, had been publishing articles regarding
Amiga Assembler before any of the tech journal here (to my knowledge)
started up.  And for game reviews, magazines like Amiga Power and 
Amiga Action carry reviews of new titles literally months before
some of the American mags.  I don't have any experience with the magazine
industry so I don't know where the blame should lie in the American
publishers' inability to keep up with European standards.  I suppose it
all boils down to marketshare of the amiga in the various countries.
But I know what I like and I am willing to pay (far too much) for it.
As a magazine buyer I vote with my dollars and a lot of them lately
have probably been exchanged for Pounds or DM.  And judging by my local
dealer's inability to keep the things on the shelf for more than 2 days,
I'm guessing I'm not alone.

Please note that I'm not trying to flame .Info here.  I really like(d) .info
and it was a lot more "in touch" than some of its contemporaries.  I hope
it returns.  But until someone decides to go head-to-head with the
European's, the only real reason I buy American magazines is to check
out the latest hardware and software prices by mail order.

| Robert E. Huebner                   | "Death is nature's way of telling  |
| huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu          |  you to slow down"                 |
| huebner@aerospace.aero.org          |   - Unknown Author                 |


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