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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: The Remix Thread.
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:34:58 GMT

I think that some songs require a remix with at least a new beat to it.  
That has been the Chubb Rock stigma in the past.  He would put out so-so
albums, but the remixes would be dope.  Persinaaly, I am quicker to buy a
12" with a remix on it than I am to buy a 12" with just, say the LP version
and an instrumental(X-Clan).  However, sometimes I am surpised as hell when
I see a song was remixed when I thoght it was dope to begin with("Scenario"),
especially if the remix comes off doper than the already dope LP version.
As far as remixes where the re-do the entire song, I think that is cool if
they are still talking about the same thing, but if the subject matter is
different, and the beat is different, why not just give it a new name and
make it a new song that didn't appear on the album?  Isn't that what it is
anyway?  (Does that make you think about anything particular T-Dub?)  IMO,
I like remixes because usually the artists may have had mor than 1 thought
as to a beat, and the remix gives the listeners a chance to hear these 
thoughts.  Then again, some songs are just bullshit, even if they may be
amusing("Baby Got Back"),  I'm out.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: TIME WARNER IN TROUBLE AGAIN...
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:26:12 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <19sbr1INNs5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson) writes:
>
>I was watching _Hard Copy_ yesterday and they did a story on a brother
>who shot and killed a cop, saying the reason he did it waZs because he
>was listening to a song by 2 Poc (sp?).  Now Time Warner is supposedly
>in trouble again -- and they're losing a lot of lucritive business deals
>because of this and the "Cop Killer" thing.  Anyone heard about this?
>What's the real deal?
>-- 
>Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
>Coastal Systems Station
>Panama City, FL  32407-5000

I don't know what is up with Time/Warner on this one, but this past summer some
kid driving was stopped by a trooper and shot him.  Now, the big thing here is
that the kid had a lot of tapes in his car, mainly pop tapes.  Out of all these
tapes, he had one hip hop tape, 2Pacs'.  That just happened to be the tape in
his deck when he shot the trooper, and they claim he was listening to a certain
song dealing with the shooting of cops (don't remember the name, but best
believe that took the excerpt they wanted and put it in print).  Sounds to me
like this kids' lawyer told him his best bet was to blame it on the song. 

                                                T-Dub
                                                SHYGUY productions

Sounds to me like
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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: NWA et al
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.211201.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> 
jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Also, I've been wondering about this subject for awhile.  I'm white and 
>listen to mostly hardcore hiphop.  In fact, the only "rap" I listen to is 
>hiphop.  I was just wondering what you all thought about white people 
>listening to "black hype" music (there was a thread recently about the 
>non-racism of blacks, so whatever you want to call it).  Point is:  if I 
>rolled into Compton listening to NWA, I'd get my ass kicked, right, even 
>though I feel that blacks in this country are oppressed.  Why is that?  Is 

Pretty unlikely, you got LA's finest on YOUR side! Now if you rolled in
blasting Pat Boone, well that's a different story.
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Go Go Music?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:32:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Has anybody heard any of the latest cuts from 
Chuck Brown and The Soul Searchers, EU Freeze, Trouble Funk  or any of
the other Go Go groups in DC?

Eric
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Subject: Re: HIP HOUSE
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:54:32 GMT

In article <fedde.717839300@Minsk> fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:


 **>Is there anybody that likes Hip House or House music?  Why isn't there an 
 **>alt.house music group? 
 **
 **Just create it then :)
 **
 **Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)

There is alt.rave as the closest thing you can get so far.
alt.rave was also the place where they had a long cascade about creating
alt.techno which they apparently at the end decided not to
do. I think alt.configure is the place where one can discuss 
creation of new groups if you are looking for some public
support.

Ansgar
--
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From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: REDMAN on "In Living Color"
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvEnBL.L41@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes...
>In article <1992Sep29.143243.6455@ultb.isc.rit.edu> klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>"Whut?  Thee Album" comes out today.
>>K-Mello
> 
>	Yo, is Redman related to K-Solo? Their styles seem very similar,
>although I hear he comes off like Erric Sermon on the album...
> 
> 

	Is everyone sure the album actually DID come out last Tuesday?
I looked in stores here in Buffalo, but I havent seen it anywhere?  Does
anyone actually have it?  If so how is it?

								Amil
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley)
Subject: Re: LOW bass CDs
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:45:55 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Oct1.092621.24919@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>, kadric@faw.uni-ulm.de (Lilijan Kadric) writes:
> Who can name me some CDs with good low bass tracks on it?
> Like 'The Terrorists', 'Gangster N.I.P.', 'Kid Sensation' etc.
> 

I've been waitin' for a post like this:

-Anything from Magic Mike
-Quad Force / Party Boyz
-Techmaster PEB (if you are into Techno)
-Bass Patrol
-one cd from "Cut-It-Up-Def-Records" collaboration, called "Miami Bass Jams"
-Too $hort, Pooh-man (Mc Pooh) and the Juice Soundtrack.
-2 Live Crew
-Anything else from Luther Campbell (if you can stand the filthy lyrics)
-Old Mixalot(swass album) might be worth getting, the rest you might prefer
good dubs
-Old Geto Boys (heck, their later stuff might be worth looking into)
-Nemesis (anyone heard of them)
-Old NWA stuff, too (Eazy's old album has a few bass cuts in it)

If all else fails, get either a Roland R-8 drum machine with an 808 card or
find yourself a used Roland TR-808. :) If you are into big money, get a 
good sampler d:-) 

Hope this helps some. Audi...

==AD
From: donato@applix.com (Donato Miranda [ext 241])
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: NWA et al
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:12:13 GMT
Organization: Applix, Inc., Westboro, MA

>
>	Also, I wonder why you only like gangsta rap?  The roots of hip-hop
>and rap run deep.  To fully appreciate the art form, you must also appretiate
>music such as Jazz.  But I can understand that you were probably not brought
>up listening to jazz and R&B.  So is it because of the cussin'?  As a white,
>do you like hearing blacks call themselves "nigga" and "bitch" and talk about
>black on black crime?  Honestly...think about it.  None of what they're rappin
>about is YOU.  So why?  And furthermore, how can you stand to listen to songs
>like "Horny Little Devil" which attacks whites as "devils", etc?  If I was 
>white that wouldnt please me.
>

	well, i'm not jeff, but i'm a white listener of rap&hipHop. i like
many forms of "black music":  jazz, rap, R&B, soul, etc...
aside from lyrics, i like the *music*.  it's funky. it speaks to the
body and moves you.  as for the lyrics, you're right, they don't speak to the
white people (except maybe against :)).  but i also like the lyrics because 
i *agree* with most of them.  the white race *has* (and does) fuck(ed) over
the black race.  you mention "horny little devil".  that doesn't offend me
because i think it's true. and it's an issue that has to be discussed, and
rap is helping to raise the racism issue which too many people downplay.
i like what malcolm X had to say (btw, his autobiography should be
a reading requirement for EVERYONE in the WORLD):  how can whites help?
not by trying to become black, or just listen to black music, or what
have you, but by going into the white community (ie, your own people)
and showing them the race problem, and getting them off their lazy butts
to DO something.  i hope i'm not getting off the alt.rap charter (if there
is one :)).

peace&ravE
Donato Miranda
daytime-------->  donato@applix.com
nitetime------->  damir@wpi.wpi.edu
ko0l basE
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Parlifunkadelicthang
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:14:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, 911527j@ace.acadiau.ca (ROBERT JORDAN) says:

>
>	I suppose you are wondering who the hell I'm talkin' about!
>Funkadelic a funk type group started in 1970,and parliment which was started 
>near the same time. Some of the group members you may recogize, George 
>Clinton(founding member of both group and producer of Funkadelic), Bootie 
>Collins and others.
>
>	If you are confused about why this article is in the alt.rap.  Well, 
>you would shocked if you knew how many current rap groups like Digital 
>Underground and M.C Hammer, I mean Hammer, oh screw that pop-rap-crap.  But 
>any way you get the point.
>
>	At the recent MTV Video Music Awards, the Red Hot Chillipeppers even 
>named these two groups as influences.  That made me proud to think that at 
>least one other person in the whole world knew who the hell they were.
>
>	I'm in the process of tring to find all of their most awesome music 
>on Vinyl(the only way to go).	
>	
>	So please reply!	
>	
>
I came up when P-Funk was the only way to go!  Shouts out to you for
recognizing their musical significance, even today!

I have a lot of the stuff on vinyl (my original purchases), but I have
recently started replacing their stuff with the CD versions.  Most
everything is available.  This past weekend my local store had the nerve
to have _Maggot Brain_ on CD!  That's great!  _Free Your Mind..._ is
also now on CD.

Check the phonolog and order catalogs in the wrecka stows.  I betcha you
can get all that stuff on vinyl.  As an interesting note, I was looking
through the latest _Goldmine_ magazine and some distributor is selling
Bootsy's _Ah, the Name is Bootsy_ for $25 (CD).  I would LOVE to have it
on CD, but not at that price!  I don't even think the original company
prints _Ah..._ anymore (on any medium)!  Wonder how these folx are able
to do this?

-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Jack Reviews XXXII:  _Greatest Misses_ by Public Enemy
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:01:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Of course...when you put "rebel bass" in quotes..it should be

"Rebel Base"

as the sample is most definately from Star Wars near the end where the
Deathstar is about to fire on the Base and the computer says..."Rebel Base
approaching" or hell, something like that...

Incidently it was about the 5th or 6th time I heard the song that I noticed
that thng was even in there!
From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: VIBE Magazine
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:19:11 GMT
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu () says:

>Anyone check out this mag yet?  The debut issue was on sale last nite and I
>picked it up.  It is a thick magazine for $2.50.  I didn't even finish reading
>it.  What I did read impressed me.  It is somewhat hip hop based, but done
>differently from other hip hop mags on the market and hits black culture
>outside of pure hip hop; not much, but some.  Little things that impressed me
>was the knowledge they portrayed in hip hop, like the time line of hip hop
>events from last summer to this summer.  *Very* accurate.  And the fact they
>mentioned Chubb Rock's new album as his fourth (you don't now *how* many 
>magazines and people do not know Chubbs had an album in '88 with, 'DJ
>Innovator,' and the original, 'Caught Up,' on it).  These were things I picked
>up, but the articles and etc. were impressive.  The article on Super Cat was
>very good,  as was the Naughty By Nature (Treach) feature story.  Definately a
>magazine to check out.  When Quincy Jones set out to do this, he definately set
>out to do it right.
>
>                                                 T-Dub
>                                                 SHYGUY Productions
>
>
I picked up the mag yesterday and I AM impressed!  The other hip-hop
mags don't impress me as being as professional or informed.  I was so
impressed with it that I decided to get a charter subscription.  And I'm
pretty sure that (for a higher rate) overseas subscriptions are
available.  Great writing, great articles!  The article on girl gangs
was something else!

Robin
-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:02:23 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <8elorki00WB5Ahg4gN@andrew.cmu.edu>, cd1l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chad Mboya-Joe Darby) writes:

|> Shucks!
|> 
|> I wish we had more canidates for the race.  I could care less for
|> Bush or Clinton.  It's like you have two terrible choices ;-(
|> 
|> /// Chad Darby                  /
|> //  Field Robotics Center       //
|> /   Carnegie Mellon University ///

 Clinton is the man to vote for. Especially with all this 
Parlifunkadelicthang talk on alt.rap. The slogan will be 
 "One Nation under a groove" and how can he lose? The first black President(?)
 is a fact.:)(This is alt.rap and although it's good you register we who don't 
 live in the US don't find this vote stuff to interesting)
                                      -Palle Zetterstrand
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Knock You out ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:44:16 GMT
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.

Shlomo writes:
 -->
 -->a week or two back, there was a posting of semi-correct lyrics of l.l.'s
 -->mama said knock you out.
 -->
 -->I came across the "official" lyrics in an old mag., (with credits and a
 --> copyright at the end), and if any one is interested, I'll post 'em.
 -->
 -->jus' tell me (I don't wanna send that many lines out for no reason)
 -->
 -->-peace.
I would be happy if you could mail them. I think you also should put it
on some mail server for the future generations, you know:-)
Ansgar
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: marky mf mark does it again
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:48:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.192526.2193@bvc.edu> juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:

>Marky Muthafuckin Mark has a new album.  Yes y'all, as if one wasn't bad
>enough, the idiot had to go do it again.  Has anybody heard this shit?  
>Flaming reviews of it are EXTREMELY welcome.  I want to see somebody diss 
>the living fuck out of this album.

Well, I doubt that anyone would want to waste their time or money with a review
of this BS, but I did write a few rhymes about how bad he really is.  I may
post them later, since I axed the song (I sampled Vanessa Williams a little too
much for her lawyers to handle in that song).

>Anybody notice that 'Yabbadabbadoo' on Chubb Rock's new album sounds like Pete
>Rock and CL Smooth's "Skinz"?  At least I think those are the two.  Other
>similarities I've noticed lately are

>Chubb Rock-Organize / Das EFX-Klap Ya Handz
>Ice Cube-Givin Up the Nappy Dug Out / Das EFX-Loosy

Well, I couldn't tell you about Das EFX, since I don't give a fuck about them,
but that beat Ice Cube used was also used by Heavy D & the Boyz in "Don't
Curse."  It wouldn't surprise me if others have used it.  There was a post a
little while back about what songs were originally used for the sampling.  One
popular one was Lowell Fulson's "Tramp", which I currently count as being used
by EPMD (Rampage), De La Soul (Let Let Me In) and FU-Schnickens (Back Off).
Hell, if I find the original recording, I may use it myself.  :)

And I'm out like a safety guarding Tom Waddle...


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From: fedde@Tirana.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:33:50 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tirana.docs.uu.se

sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich) writes:

>In a way, if you think about it....PE really is the first new school.  
>I mean, they were the first to mainstream introduced the frustrations 
>of black youth into their rhymes and from their work they inspired all 
>the divisions of rap....political, hardcore, gangster, slow jams...

Hmmm...I wouldn't agree about them starting the new school. I mean, they
might have been the first to introduce the frustration of blacks in their
rhymes, but not many would agree on that beeing the definition of the new
school. If you think of it, there is a lot of new school groups not
sounding like PE. And I wouldn't say PE were the ones that inspired the
division of rap into different branches. Educational and political rap 
actually started much more early (just think of for example "The message"
which was a real dark rhyme compared to the other rap at that time that
almost only involved "party"-stuff).

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: cllave01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: gangstar's latest album
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92276.123433DUGJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <DUGJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> I've listened to 'x girl 2 the next girl' and I love that jam, can anyone out t
> here tell me if I should invest my $15 in the album. I like their style but I
> like anyone else don't want 2 buy an album 2 listen 2 1 jam.  Plz help.
> 
> 
> 
> doug.


Doug,
	In answer to your question as to whether to purchase the Gangstar CD or
tape I would say yes because there is another song titled, "Soliliqouy of
Chaos" that sounds good. It along with "X-girl to the next" both received radio
airplay here in Louisville WGZB 96.5 over the summer! Also, there is a slow cut
on the album too! 
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: House of pain
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.130015.11245@waikato.ac.nz> pkingi@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Yo! Just wondering if yous could give me any info about the House of Pain. I
>just scored "jumpin' around" (on import) and was wondering if they have
>any more good stuff or an album even. That song uses an awesome sample, sounds
>like one of Winnie Attawell's numbers from the 50s. Anyway, you can 
>see that we are probably months behind the rest of the world so its not my
>fault I'm not with it. Much appreciated,
>
>Pat

Yeah, House of Pain has had a self-titled LP out in the states for a few 
months now.  A good bit of it was produced by DJ Muggs of Cypress Hill and
features a cameo appearance by B-Real.  Good stuff if you can find it.

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From: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Parlifunkadelicthang
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:41:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby) says:

>In article <BvB18o.FrJ@unccsun.uncc.edu> jeclee@uncc.edu writes:
>>Currently, I believe that all of Bootsy's albums have been re-released in Japan on the Warner Bros. label.
>>
>>All of the re-releases of the Westbound label Funkadelic albums were first re-released in Europe.
>>
>>I find it difficult to believe that there are more P-Funk fans overseas than here.
>>
>>Supposedly, according to an advertisement in Goldmine, a never before released Parliament album is supposed to be released in Japan. Has anyone heard about this?
>>And according to the RECENT AND UPCOMING ALBUM RELEASE list, there is another Funkadelic album that is supposed to be out tomorrow. 
>>
>I think they dropped some kind of rare tracks parliament or greatest hits album just for Japan.  And yeah I have seen all of Bootsy's albums on CD imports from Japan.  
>I wonder why he's more popular there, unless they dont want to saturate the 
>market here.  Cuz funk is more popular than ever.  Maybe its because he's 
>so wacky with crazy boots and glasses the Japanese dig that.
>
>-tl24
>
>
I don't think that it's so much a case of being more popular in an
overseas area.  To tell you the truth, I can't figure out what it is,
but I don't think it's that.  There are SEVERAL examples of material by
artists that is no longer available (in print) in the US, but you can
still buy imports of the stuff from overseas.  Bewilders me...

Robin
-- 
Robin L. Gibson      gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Subject: rap
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:19:00 GMT

well i have been given the opportunity to help build the rap section
in my schools radio station. i need help. what can you suggest.
help!!!

we want non-main stream rap especially.
the stuff that gets littlte to no air play.

e-mail it or post it.
d.j.loki seth I

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