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From: "HOPPER, BRANDON" <oaa02@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Upgrading Linux
Reply-To: oaa02@ttacs1.ttu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:04:37 GMT

Being the novice Linux user, I've got the SLS Linux (.96c) up and running.  But to run Xfree86 on my Trident card, it says I need .97pl4 or higher.  Two questoins :
1)  How in the world do I upgrade from .96c to .97pl4?  I tried running the
    install script on the rootimage for .98, but it keeps giving me error
    messages about not enough free space on device (probably a stupid mistake
    on my part)
2)  How do I install Xfree86 to work with my Trident 8900C card?
Please, no flames.  I'm clueless...really.  Thanks in advance.

Brandon Hopper
oaa02@ttacs1.ttu.edu
From: mirons@ccs.northeastern.edu (Michael A. Irons)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: File locking under Linux
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:04:34 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.


	Erik;

  If linux does it POSIX then locking is done with ioctl's. Also be fore-warned
that POSIX file locking is ADVISORY, and is not enforced. As such other, bad & 
naughty, programs can do things to your files, even though they are 'locked'.

						Mike Irons
-- 

                                  Mike Irons;
                       mirons@Dworkin.CCS.Northeastern.EDU	(School)
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From: lebailli@cicb.fr (Olivier Le Baillif)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: 3 questions !
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:00:28 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR


	Hi !

	I have 3 questions :

		I'm just a froggy so I rebuild my kernel to make my french keyboard working.
that's ok, everything is running perfectly well, BUT when I start X the xterm is still using
a US keyboard mapping !!!
		Does it come from xterm, must I have to recompile it ? 



		I have a Sigma legend IIs (hicolr sierra DAC) the X386 is running well in 256
colors mode. I just want to know if an X*** exits for 15 bits DAC (as the sierra) which allow
a 'true color' mode with 32768 colors simultaneously ? If it does where can I get it ?



		Finally I'd like to know if KHOROS have been tested under linux ? In this
case where can I get the binary (cause it requires about 100 Mb of disk space to compile, and
I just have about 80 Mb free).



	One word again. I want to thank every people who contribute to developpe Linux, test
it, make it alive. This is certainly the best thing that can happend in the PC world. Keep on
that's perfect.


	If you have any information,please email them to me, they will be welcome.


	bye, bye !

PS: excuse my english, that's not my natural language.


Olivier Lebaillif
Laboratoire de Radiocommunications
Universite de Rennes 1
France

EMAIL:  lebailli@cicb.fr
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: weh@beta.lanl.gov (William E. Harvey)
Subject: Re: Linux 0.97 PL 6 detecting bogus bus mice
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:51:42 GMT


I am able to get Linux to recognize my Logitech PS/2 mouse on my
Packard Bell machine only by loading mouse.com from the Logitech disk
under dos before booting Linux.  It doesn't work otherwise.  Once it
is loaded and Linux is up, if I touch the mouse though the system will
hang.  I haven't had much need for the mouse yet anyway,since I am
still having trouble getting Xwindows to work, dammit.

Billy Harvey
weh@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: donadio@wilbur.psu.edu (Beaker)
Subject: QUESTION:  How many people use linux?
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 01:57:25 GMT

Just out of curiosity, is there an estimate to the number of people
running linux in one way or another?

--
Beaker aka Matt Donadio| When you've seen beyond yourself--then you may find
-----------------------| peace of mind, is waiting there--And the time will
mxd120@psuvm.psu.edu   | come when you see we're all one, and life flows on
donadio@wilbur.psu.edu | within you and without you.  --George Harrison
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@ladymacb.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Slow SCSI Disk performance.
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:42:54 GMT

In article <TVR.92Oct2005741@cardhu.cs.hut.fi> tvr@cs.hut.fi (Teemu Rantanen) writes:
>In article <3775@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>
>   How much longer for new scsicode that supports many outstanding
>   requests? 
>

The honest answer is "RSN".  The code has been over 90% complete for 
about five months, but other things like work, being homeless for 
a month, and Compile Construction have been getting in the way. 

-- 
Microsoft is responsible for propogating the evils it calls DOS and Windows, 
IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.
Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit.
From: jem@SunSite.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: HELP!!, I need protocols.h, where is it??
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:02:02 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <BvLr14.Mow@world.std.com> jgifford@world.std.com (Why Linux? Why Not?) writes:
>I just tried to compile the kernel(0.98) with the tcpip stuff IN, I am 
>compiling under 0.97.5  (0.97.6 didn't like my serial ports somehow)
>Anyway, I get most of the way through the compile, then barfs on
>the net stuff, because I don't have
>{/usr/include|/usr/src/linux/include}/netinet/protocols.h   I used find, and

protocols.h is on sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/kernel.

-- 
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From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Keywords: UNIX
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:13:06 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041

>Propaganda?  Hell, yes!  Look at IBM!  Look at Microsoft!  They didn't get
>where they are by creating great software and selling it cheap! Of course,
>there's often a fine line between "Quality Marketing" and propaganda. :}

Look at AT&T.

But seriously, just as a benevolent comment, maybe this isn't the best
forum for this discussion...

-Dave
-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
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1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: genie@netcom.com (Gene Choi)
Subject: Why I love X11v2.0
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:25:29 GMT


Well folks.  I love X11 V2.0 for one major reason:

My Logitech C7 mouse correctly works now.

I had tried every bug/fix/recommendation with X11 v1.1 with
my Logitech, but still got that crazy mouse movement.

Now, I love my mouse again.

P.S.  Did I mention that version 2 runs a LOT faster, and seems
to look like a real package now?  :)

Gene
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
From: system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 11:13:32 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

Jim.Corbett@f35.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Corbett) writes:

>  >>This months BYTE screams out asking "Is UNIX dead?".
> 
>  > This bothered me a lot.
> 
>  >> A closer scrutiny of the article proved it's just the otherwise.
> 
>  > Interesting. I didn't buy Byte this month, partly
>  > because of the crap on
>  > the cover.  As such, I wasn't aware of the contents of
>  > the article.
> 
> Most mags pup their advertizers products, and do not push shareware,
> freeware, PD or other software that do not advertize in the mag.
> 
> Not even mentioning Linux in the article was the last straw for me, I
> was thinking about droping my subscription, and that did it for me!
> 
> I no longer subscribe to BYTE, and do not reccomend it to others
> anymore.
> 
>  * Origin: Intermittent Connection, Eugene OR 503-344-9838 (1:152/35)
> 
Why should BYTE mention a system that is NOT even at release 1.0 yet.  What
incentive does a comercial magazine have to push your pet OS.  Pretty arrogant
on your part if you ask me.  Also more than a little petulant.  As I recall
the article dealt only with commercialy available systems and only the MAJOR 
ones at that.  It had little content and a mis-leading headline.  Hardly worth
the Cover smear it got.  Also hardly worth resigning a subscription over.  
Scott


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From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Keywords: UNIX
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:02:40 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Sep29.202120.8229@microsoft.com> satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru) writes:

[text deleted]

>On a related note, how many of you think that Linux would advance more
>easily into the realm of the average Joe or Janet User if we have more
>applications that Joe can use on a day to day basis.

If there was a comprehensive manual and easy-to-learn-and-use UI to some
existing freely available packages (Ingres, TeX, sc) then we'd be able to sell
the idea of using Linux much easier. What other applications are available that
can be ported to Linux and given a front end? NetFax? GUIbuilders (eg: ATK)?
Communications packages? Is sc in any way compatible with Lotus? Is it possible
to write a function to load Wordperfect documents into TeX? If this is the sort
of thing Joe and Janet are looking for, and this will help Unix/Linux survive,
then let's work on it!

>         It's not that I don't like TeX/LaTeX mind you. I used Latex a lot
>when at school. And I would use it again for writing documents, manuals
>etc. But for writing a simple 1 page letter, Works for Windows is a lot
>easier to use that LaTeX, IMHO.

Right. And if TeX has a front end that allowed you to easily compose and format
a letter would you use it, or would you still exit Linux and boot DOS?

>The point of all this is that while it is good that Linux is progressing
>rapidly into an very stable, usable and advanced Unix, shouldn't we also
>make an effort at increasing the available applications.

Yes! From what you mentioned of the Byte article, I'm inclined to agree with
them - if Unix can't be sold, it won't survive.

>                                                         Yes, I am
>willing to help do this.

As am I!

>Satish K. Chittamuru				satishc@microsoft.com

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com
From: pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: unexpected interrupt?
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca
Organization: The Internet

Sorry if I missed it, but is the fix to the "unexpected interrupt"
problem in .98 just to bump up the HD_DELAY?

Peter
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: weberj@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Weber)
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Keywords: Advertising
Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, W.Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:44:30 GMT

In article <BvAxpB.74G@ucunix.san.uc.edu> zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga) writes:
>advertizing BSD386 0.1 and Linux 0.96 together for $100.  I think the
>word is slowly getting out.

So Linus put in many man-months for free and those people want
$100 just for copying?


-- 

Juergen G. Weber
Student am Institut fuer Informatik
Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: A Plethy Of Questions
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:03:53 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

JJLUCSY@MTUS5.BITNET (Genesys) writes:
>1) What, and/or how, is the best way to install Linux?

Get the MCC or SLS distribution and continue from there.  Alternatively,
if you like tearing your hear out, get the boot+root disks, gcc, various
other packages (nobody really has a good list), install them and start
collecting bits and pieces from elsewhere.

>2) What is needed for installation? Installation of X?

Do you mean hardware?  Any kind of 386, a couple of meg of memory (4 MB
seems to be a practical smaller limit for most people, but if you don't
mind waiting, 2 MB works), about 10 MB of hard disk real estate (as a
minimum, you need more if you install more programs).

X needs a supported SVGA card (those based on ET4000 chips seem to be
most popular), a matching monitor, and practical use needs 8 MB of
memory.  Hard disk space is probably around 20 MB as a practical minimum
(I don't have X so I don't have hard numbers).  Again, if you install
more programs, you need more hard disk.

>3) Does Linux have an emulator for Dos?

Not yet.  One is in alphatesting I think.

>4) Can I assume this is 386 code dependant and won't run in an OS/2 box?

Yes.

>5) Should I wait for 1.0, or go for it now?

I don't know.  I doubt that 1.0 will be _that_ much more stable, the
current version seems to be working pretty well, and the 0.96 versions
(upon which, for instance, the SLS disribution is based) are quite
stable.

>6) (Related to question 2) How much space?

Answered already, I hope.

>7) Any sound drivers in the works or completed(SoundBlaster or LPT1)?

I think there is one, at least in testing.  Anybody?

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:47:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.BvCpFJ.K7s
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (N.N.) writes:
>badger@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Jonathan Badger) writes:
>>...
>>write code but don't run apps? This is not a cut at the Tex enthusists out 
>>there - you have my admiration (& sympathy) to write your 500 page dissertationswith what is basically an expanded nroff :).
...
>This is the opinion of someone who has no idea what the hell they are talking
>about.  Not only is TeX not an expanded nroff, it is also not for people who
>are still scared of a little effort.  If you had ever used TeX, you would

>
>Have fun,
>
>Nick Nafpliotis

I skipped by this article in an attempt to restrain myself, but I just HAD to
say something, I've been lurking on this newsgroup for some time now, and I
wanted to say for the most part I appreciate the deeply felt feelings that
some people have for their work.  However this blast was just too much.  Nick, 
why is TeX so important to you that you had to jump all over Mr. Badger? It's
people like you who give unix a bad name, there is a place for TeX, just like
there is a place for all sorts of applications.  The majority of people I know
don't want to spend "a little effort" to produce a document, they want their
ideas to look good, in a short amount of time.  For these 'brain dead' people 
(your words), WordPerfect and the ilk are just fine.  However, I would dare say
that TeX does not produce better output than say Quark Xpress, or FrameMaker,
and I reckon, I can produce that page must faster than you can with TeX.  That
gives me more time to have a beer.

Hey, please all flames to my mail box so that I may delete them, and not take
up too much time here.

Looking forward to the release of Linux, as I'm very interested, just don't
have the time to dedicate too it.



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From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: /bin/echo
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: geneva.Oct.3.14.40.27.1992.4414
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>Since echo is a builtin in all shells, there isn't a GNU version
>included in any package, which pretty much explains why there is none
>for Linux.  (There is a manpage for a GNU version, and after you have
>read that, you don't _want_ a GNU version.  Trust me. :-)

>Apart from that, a simple /bin/echo can be written rather easily.  See
>the end of this posting for the version I use.

Here's an even easier one.  It's based on the observation that
echo is built into the shell:

#!/bin/sh
echo $*

Now that I think about it, it might be better to use

#!/bin/sh
echo "$@"
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Disk corruption problem (Was: Wierd behavior with 0.98).
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:09:39 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <1992Oct01.125825.1150@infko.uucp> hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de writes:
>Last night I grabbed the 0.98 sources, added the fast scsi patches posted here
>recently and compiled (Jump table 4.1). Rebooted, start up X and go to xterm
[...]
>I ran fsck -v /dev/sdc3 (my /usr) and something had written about 15MB worth of
>Zone XXX marked as used but not used" type messages. Any ideas? My hardware
>
>486 33MHz 256KB cache
>8MB RAM
>Adaptec 1542B
>2 x Quantum 210
>Seagate ST2096N
[...]

	Yes, I think I have an idea about what is going on.  A week ago, 3
people reported an inode corruption problem with scsi disks, and the one thing
that they all had in common was that they each had more than one scsi disk
drive.  From the looks of it, I can now say that we have a fourth case.  This
problem has been observed both with an Adaptec 1542 and a ST02.

	Currently I think that there is a bug of some kind which has to do with
more than one scsi disk drive on the system at one time.  What I do not know is
if a multi-scsi-disk system is always unstable or not.  Basically I would like
to hear from anyone who is using more than one scsi disk without problems.

	Also, I would be interested in knowing if there are any users with
two IDE drives, and I would like to know if that configuration is stable
(especially if you are using at least part of each drive for linux).
(My recollection is that there are people using one scsi disk with one IDE disk
without trouble).

	For those of you experiencing the trouble, try cutting back to a single
scsi disk system, and see if that helps.

	I hope to be able to come up with a patch once I have identified the
problem.

-Eric
-- 
Eric Youngdale
eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil
From: apm233m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: date, clocks, and FAQs
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:12:16 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I guess that the answer to this should be in an FAQ somewhere, but I
can't find it.

I have deduced that the Linux (and all other unixes?) clock keeps time
as GMT (UTC?). ms-dos keeps local time. To preserve some compatibility
it seems to me that during the post boot-up processing phase under
Linux the CMOS clock should be read and the value of the TZ variable
added to it to produce the GMT time for the Linux clock. Is there a
standard or prefered way of doing this?

A related problem is that the 'date' program does not set the CMOS
clock.  Since setting the date is a privileged operation, why not use
it to set the CMOS clock? (The 'date' programs knows about the TZ
variable and uses it).

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Mathematics Department
Monash University
Australia
From: ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: scsi/inode bit
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:17:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BvBD20.5qA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mopar@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mopar Mike) writes:

>ARG!!!  Sometimes for no reason linux will return this error:

>   inode bit already free
>   or inode bit cleared

>and it will repeat this five or six times then wipe out the partition
>on the scsi drive.  It's getting real frustrating because everytime I
>get something installed linux wipes out that partition for me  :-)

...

>This thing only happens to my scsi drives.  I've got two partitions on
>each drive and the second st225 drive is a linux only drive from which
>I mount the scsi partitions onto.

I've been bitten by this thrice in the last three days. It happens to
me when I'm moving large amounts of data around; it happened twice
when I was tarring one parition to another (to do a backup) and tonight
while I was rearranging my paritions (cp -dprR * /mnt)...

I have two SCSI disks off an Adaptec 1542, so I guess it's not the
low-level drivers... I sure wish version 2 of the SCSI drivers would
get here soon as I'm getting fed up with the constant partition-
trashing. My system:

	Insight 486/33 EISA bus
	Adaptec 1542B
	Quantum LPS105 & Fujitsu M2426F (I think)
	8MB RAM

-Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@SunSite.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: mysterious files
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:09:14 GMT

This is rather embarrasing, but since the dawns of time I
have had two Linux files on sunsite that I have not been
able to place... Could someone please tell me what they are?

pil50kit.zoo
autocn2g.zip

thanks,
jem.
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From: bobk@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Bob Kirkpatrick (Spokane))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Xega and system lockup
Keywords: HELP!
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:17:17 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

I pulled Xega down from tsx-11 because the X11 with the SLS package
wouldn't work for me. I expect that this is because I have a video
card that isn't directly supported.

What's happening is that startx loads up and starts X, and I get the
grey screen with the X in the center. Then it goes black, and a
rectangular shape appears (looks like a pencil drawing of a window.)
The cursor turns into an arrow, stuck in the upper left corner of
the shape. The system then halts without message. I have to reset
and reboot.

Anyone know what this is all about? I have a 386DX-40 running SLS
96c, and my video card is a RealTek 3106 --an Oak Clone. 1024x768
VESA.

I'd REALLY like this to work. Any ideas?

-- 
bobk@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane WA 99202