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From: prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount)
Subject: Will the draft be on TV?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:21:58 GMT
Keywords: new reader doesn't know


	(Sorry if FAQ/common info, new reader here)

	Will the greatly anticipated draft be on TV the way the
NBA draft is televised, pick by pick for a few rounds?  I think
it'd be great if it were.

	If not, would you believe ESPN radio network?

	Even if it's just 2 teams, still would be worth it, 
rather than one lump article in the papers the next day.

	Nuff said.  Was surprised Yankees protected Pat Kelly
and not Andy Stankiewicz.  After Andy outplayed Kelly this year.


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From: mmrd@cc.flinders.edu.au (R.Douglas)
Subject: WS Game #6,11 Inning
Originator: mmrd@hobson.cc.flinders.edu.au
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 22:24:17 GMT
Organization: Flinders University


After finally getting the time to watch Game 6, channel 9 here in Australia
stuffed me up. Watched a great game to top of the 11th, see Jimmy Keys take
a couple of swings and suddenly a transmission break. And when we return
what do we get but top of the 6th with Joe Carter on second Dave Winfield up
and Pete Smith on the mound. After Winfield flies out they return us to
the bottom of the 11th. If possible could some-one email me play-by-play
details of top of the 11th. Thanks in advance.

Rob
mmrd@flinders.cc.edu.au
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Dutch Players
Organization: Clark University
Date: 6 NOV 92 01:04:41 GMT

The only ones I can think of right now are Bert Blyleven (who is
supposed to be able to speak Dutch) and Win Remmerswaal, who I
believe is a "real" Dutch person, but unfortunately is no longer
an active player.  I have this vague idea that he is a pitching
coach somewhere, but that may be erroneous.  So is this Eenhoorn
bona fide Dutch?  I always find it so interesting when "foreigners"
get into American baseball.  I am rooting for more Australians and
Japanese to break in.  I say, spread the fun around.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

Of course, other nationalities are welcome, too.
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From: ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:04:16 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Mmmmm. Maybe we should distinguish between "greatest" and "most perfect"
moments.
    For "greatest", in its effect on people, its continuance in popular memory,
its ability to still inspire great literature, there is only once choice:
October 3, 1951, Polo Grounds, W. 157th St. & St. Nicholas Ave., bottom of the
ninth, two on, one out, pitch by Branca, swing by Thomson. If you haven't read
"Pafko at the Wall" in the October Harper's, you have no excuse.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Extra playoffs (was: Re: I'm sorry, Jays didn't show me much)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.224254.25487@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:
>It's very possible that the networks can make more money from more playoff 
>games at the same time a majority of baseball fans are opposed to such a 
>system (and are *not* interested in watching more playoff games). 

Maybe the area of confusion here is that I'm talking about people and you
guys are talking about "baseball fans".  If more *people* aren't willing to
watch more playoff games, then the networks aren't going to be interested
in paying more money to get more playoff games.

> At much
>lower per-game ratings, the networks can conceivably still get more people
>to watch in total, and make more money.

I thought the networks were generally interested in the per-game rating,
not the total count.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Subject: The *real* most unbreakable record
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:54:24 GMT

I have been watching this unbreakable record thread, and I feel compelled
by some (probably dangerous) urge to point out one record which is totally
unbreakable:

   Most number of fly balls caught for an out in a single inning by an
   outfielder.

The unbreakable record is 3 (however, the list of players tied for this
record is a little too long to post here...).
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From: itlm013@fella.ucdavis.edu (Captain Caveman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young...When?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:56:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <27369@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>When is the AL Cy Young announced?

I heard it on the news yesterday: Dennis Eckersley.  I believe that Clemens
came in 3rd.  I overheard this from another room, though.  Anyone else care
to validate it?

Dennis
dfcleary@ucdavis.edu
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves protected list
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:40:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

gt4925b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jason Woodward) writes:
: In <1992Nov13.115322.17409@husc3.harvard.edu> chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu (John-Marc Chandonia, , , ) writes:
: 
: >In article <steph.721624143@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
: >> In <10424@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> jwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Jeff Wilson) writes:
: >> [...]
: >> 
: >>>That's right. They protected BOTH Sanders and Nixon, AND Hunter (ugggh).
: >>>They're gonna lose either Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, or David Nied in the first
: >>>round, then they'll protect the other two, and hopefully they'll protect Keith
: >>>Mitchell as well. 
: >> 
:  >> ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!  This had better not be true.  What kind of idiot would
:  >> protect Nixon and Hunter and leave Nied and Smith vulnerable?  For that 
:  >> matter, what kind of idiot would protect Nixon?  He's an old player with
:  >> few skills and isn't cheap -- do they seriously think Miami or Denver would
:  >> take him in the first round?  Or at all?
: 
:  >I agree... there may be some justification for protecting Deion
:  >(if he plays a few more games like last week's crushing by the 9ers,
:  >he'll become a full-time baseball player), but Otis?  Not with Pete
:  >10-0" Smith such a good prospect.  And Neid is definitely more
:  >valuable than Hunter.
:  
:  >So, did the Constitution print any reasons for this?  Is Smith so unhappy
:  >with the way he was used last season (backup to Bilecki) that he
:  >wants to leave?
: 
: Rumor is that California still wants Nixon, and would have made a 
: deal with Colorado or Florida (you draft Nixon, and then we will
: give such and such for him).
: 
: Pete Smith had a good 1/3 year, but his career record is still well
: under .500, and he has been injured some.
: 
: I haven't heard about Smith unhappy about being a backup to Bilecki.
: But that doesn't matter now, since the Braves aren't resigning
: Bilecki.
: 
: An article in the Constitution said that Mercker would almost definitely
: be taken first.  He is experienced, and can start and relieve.
: 

If the Braves have good reason to think that Mercker will be the
first Brave taken, then this protection list could be a good move,
since Hunter or Sanders would almost certainly be gone if left
unprotected.  I still don't understand the logic of protecting
Otis, though.  I mean, I like him, but I doubt anybody would have
picked him up, considering his age and limitations.  
Personally, i think the Rockies and Marlins would have to be nuts
to take Mercker before Nied.  Smith's past record and history of
injuries will probably protect him, but Nied is one of the best
pitching prospects around, and Mercker is proven all right- he's 
a proven mediocrity.
Bill Anderson: 
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Aussie Bball News #2- The Rules
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.152657.90528@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> ddyte@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Just in case anyone's interested, here are some of the silly
>rules that the Pepsi Australian Baseball League has adaopted
>in the interests of attracting more fans:

Gee... it almost sounds like they're adapting the rules of the summer
club leagues where college players try to get pro scouts to notice
them.  I used to watch those games until they started messin' with the
rules.

>4) (and this is the one I really don't like) A designated runner rule.
>   Catchers are allowed (it may be compulsory but I'm not sure) a
>   designated runner when they get on base so they can get back to the
>   dugout and suit up faster for the next half inning. They must really
>   think the crowds are fussy round here.

In the US, when this rule is used the catcher must be substituted for
with a DR only when there are two outs.  In many leagues, it is not an
option.

-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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Subject: Re: Expansion draft -- questions and comments
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:33:59 -0500 
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 13-Nov-92 Expansion draft --
question.. John Franjione@spot.Colo (1078)

> 3.  On ESPN, Gammons said something to the effect that the published
> lists are a "rotisserie leaguer's dream".  As someone who participates
> in a rotisserie league, and being somewhat defensive, I didn't like
> this remark.  What I think Gammons is saying is: "Ha, ha.  You poor
> baseball nerds don't have anything better to do.  Now you are going


I tried Rotisserie baseball once, I won my 8 team league, but all in all
I thought it was a waste of time.  I agree, you people should find
something else to do with your time.

That being said, the reason Gammons is probably upset is that he had the
list or an idea of the list and now the entire public has it.  His
connections are no better than what the common man can get access to.  I
think he colored his anger with a slant on Rotisserie league geeks.  I
am not a Gammons or Ray Knight fan.  Keith Olberman has grown on me.  I
wish I had time to watch the draft.  He should be a good host that does
not get under anyone's skin.
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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Expand the Play-offs
Organization: Not The Dennis Eckersley Fan Club
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:50:29 GMT

In article <Bx8wEp.AG2@zoo.toronto.edu> rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes:
>As the number of ML teams increases via expansion, it seems to me
>that it would make sense to expand to three or four leagues, which
>logically would expand the playoffs.

Indeed, this idea is wonderfully logical:  which means, of course,
that major league owners will oppose it.  (I wish I could put a smiley here.)

I can't imagine the AL West owners agreeing to give up their home dates
against AL East teams (which are, traditionally, better gate attractions).

--Dave "waiting for the owners to lockout the players and shoot
  themselves in the feet" Till
  e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Florida awaits the Giants!
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:44:31 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

>The 4th largest media market in the
>country can not be abandoned for the 15th.  

Except, of course, it's not being abandoned. The A's aren't exactly chopped
liver.


-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
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    I wanna drive the zamboni! I wanna drive the zamboni, yes I do.
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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.174245.28862@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:
>
>To keep the winter going I'm going to post a new thread for discussion.
>(In a similar vein to "Favorite Players of my Youth" and "Most unbreakable
>records)  Here is my short list of greatest moments in baseball history
>(use whatever interprestation you want)
>
>April 15, 1947 - Jackie Robinson starts at first base for the Brooklyn
>Dodgers.  He is the first black man to appear in a major league baseball
>game since 1884.
>
>Oct 8, 1956 - Don Larsen pitches a perfect game in the fifth game of the WS
>against the Brooklyn Dodgers.  The only perfect game in WS history.
>
>Oct 13, 1960 - Bill Mazeroski hits a homerun in the bootom of the ninth to
>give the Pirates the win in the seventh game and in the WS.  The only time
>a series has ended on a homerun (?).  The Pirates were outscored in the series
>55-25!
>
>July 17, 1941 - Joe DiMaggio goes 0-3 against the Cleveland Indians, 
>ending his hitting streak at 56 games.  This record although probably not
>unbreakable, is one of the holiest in all of baseball, due in part to the
>man and to the time it was broken, the summer before WWII.
>

I don't know the date, but what about Ted Williams' final game in
that same 1941 season? We all know what his average was for that year,
and what he had to do in that final game to seal it...


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Expand the Play-offs
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:28:00 GMT

In article <wall-051192170256@elvis.swarthmore.edu> wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall) writes:
>I will trot out my (tm) Personal Playoff Plan, or, How I'll Save Baseball:
>
>(a) put a payroll tax on all player salaries of 10%. Put the money in a
>pool and add it to the normal World Series receipts.
>(b) Let the two DIVISIONAL losers from the Championship series play a
>5-game playoff for "3rd place" - a mini World Series before the regular
>World Series. 
>(c) take the $$ pool and divide it among the winners as follows:
>
>Winner of the World Series: 50% of pool divided among the players
>Loser of the World Series: 35% " " " 
>Winner of the Little World Series: 15% of the pool
>Loser of the Little World Series: Nothing. Yep. nothing.

Given that players have free agency, I think such a system would work
towards eliminating parity.  If you're going to take 10% of my salary, and
I have very little control individually over my probability of getting any
of it back, I'm going to be much more likely to go to a currently
contending team as a free agent.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.191953.26142
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

November 5
Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain, 1867
Harry "Gunboat" Gumbert, 1909
Lloyd Moseby, 1959
Richie Scheinblum, 1942
Alfred "Greasy" Neale, 1891
Craig McMurtry, 1959
Jim Tabor, 1913
Pete Donohue, 1900
Carl Fischer, 1905
Fred Manrique, 1961

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "No! Not Bobby Valentine! Woody: Bring 
 Steve Smith                      *  back Jimmy Snyder before you hire
 University of Washington HR-20   *  Valentine!" 
 Seattle, WA 98195                * 		--Me
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From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Subject: Re: John Valentin
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:08:50 GMT

In article <1di5oeINNeot@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.190924.26702@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu
>(Edward [Ted] Fischer) said:
>
>
>It is very unfair to do any MLE for New Britain without *serious* park
>adjustments. Beehive Field is about the size of Alaska (okay, okay, without the
>panhandle) and averages just plummet there. There has been serious talk in the
>Boston media about the negative effect this has had on some players, setting
>back their careers because of the pyschological shock of losing 50 points or
>more on their BA between Lynchburg and NB--I think Eric Wedge was an example.
>

Correct about New Britain's field. I just finished working up park
factors for AA, and Beehive Field rated a .917 in '92. That is lower
than the Astrodome's park factor over the last ten years (~.95). New
Britain and Albany are the league's pitcher's parks.

Clay D.
From: par@teak18.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Contract Re: Giants Will Stay!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:42:56 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: par@teak18


In article <BxKq2B.Dpz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, dmeister@mansci1.UWaterloo.ca (Darren Meister) writes:
> In article <TOM.92Nov11112158@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com> tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
> >Yep. The Giants will stay in SF alright, but now the real fun begins.
> >
> >Since the Tampa group does, in fact, have a signed contract in their
> >hands, lawsuits will definitely be filed.
> 
> This is not a flame but Tampa signed the contract and knew that it had
> to be ratified by the owners in accordance with the guidelines. I have
> a feeling that I'm wrong but shouldn't this rule out a law suit.

Pardon my cynicism, but no, nothing ever rules out a lawsuit!  This is 
the USA, whose constitution guarantees everyone the right to sue anyone for 
any reason!  ;-(

Seriously, though, if a suit is filed and if the suit went to trial, this
is one of the issues that would be considered, and could lead to Tampa
losing the suit.  I have no idea of what is in the contract, so can't 
really say.

But remember that the real goal of the Tampa people is to get a team.  
Threatening to file a lawsuit and/or filing a lawsuit is just another way 
of applying pressure on the powers-that-be to achieve that goal.  This is
true even if legally they have nothing to stand on.

	- Peter Rigsbee
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From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Royals 15-Man Protected List
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:04:00 GMT

	I hope I wouldn't be troubling anyone who has a Chicago Tribune (or
another newspaper with the protected lists of all 26 teams) to post the 
protected list for the Royals?

	I've already seen one list which contained David Howard (he of the .220
career average) and not Jeff Conine (widely considered to be the organization's
best prospect, at least in the high minors).  I'm hoping that Royals' management
has more intelligence than that, but given their recent track record (Davis &
Davis) I'm skeptical.  So if someone could post this list, I would really 
appreciate it.

	Thanx in advance.



	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
	---------------------------------------------------------
	Kevin Appier: Cy Young 1993!

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: 5 most BREAKABLE records
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:10:23 GMT

In article <1575.2afa9231@atlas.nafb.trw.com> dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:
>Okay, I've heard enough about the 419 record which will never be broken.
>What I'm interested in is what are the most BREAKABLE records?

Latest date ever born by a player in the majors?

All-time record for most wins by a team in franchise history?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Houston Protected List
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:19:46 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4722]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu


	Pitchers:	Pete Harnisch
			Xavier Hernandez
			Doug Jones
			Jimmy Jones / Todd Jones ***
			Darryl Kile
			Brian Williams
	Catcher		Eddie Taubensee
	Infielders	Jeff Bagwell
			Craig Biggio
			Andujar Cedeno
			Ken Caminiti
	Outfielders	Eric Anthony
			Steve Finley
			Luis Gonzalez
			Brian Hunter

	I did the mock expansion draft Astro's list so I figured I should
comment on this one (the 'official' list).  One note; it seems that the
Tribune and the RM News disagreed on one person.  Since I don't know of a 
Todd Jones I assume that Jimmy Jones is correct.

	WHY WOULD ANYONE PROTECT EITHER DOUG JONES OR JIMMY JONES!!

	Sorry to shout at everyone.  But this is idiotic.  Doug Jones is a
36 (during next season) year old pitcher who looked horrible in '91.  Yes,
he had a very good year in '92 but how could you think that he would be
someone that the expansion teams would want.
	Jimmy Jones is almost as bad.  He's look ok in Houston but there is
little reason to expect that someone with much more potential (such as Jeff
Juden) couldn't step in immediately if he had been taken and perform as well
or better.

	I protected Jeff Juden, Ryan Bowen (his is fairly young) and Butch
Henry (the only lefty with any potential at all in the majors or high
minors) instead of the two Jones and Hunter.  Hunter might well be reasonable
(I've lost my minor league stats; can anyone refresh me on him?).

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
__________
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Subject: Giants and Free Trade; just a thought.
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:23:29 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
Nntp-Posting-User: cvetp038

From::"Jimbo%CSUSB@nic. CSU.net"

I'm not sure how they owners can restrict the Giants
move to Tampa Bay.  This is a violation of all Free Trade
laws which govern such moves to any business outside of
baseball.  Nobody stopped General Dynamics from leaving
Southern Califonia and moving their plants to Georgia.
Same thing should apply for the Giants.  Of Course, baseball
has operated independently of the law forever.  Maybe after
the round of hearings in Congress things will change.  NOT!

By the way this is my first (or any) posting to any group, so
forgive me if I made any faux pas.  Flames welcomed night and
day.

Thanks
From: dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 5 most BREAKABLE records
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:41:37 PST

Okay, I've heard enough about the 419 record which will never be broken.
What I'm interested in is what are the most BREAKABLE records?
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