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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: The Best in the A.L.
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:29:57 GMT
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Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


   I started thinking about the best players in the A.L. and it seems in most
cases who the best players are, here they are by postition:

C: Mickey Tettleton
1B: Cecil Fielder
2B: Julio Franco     (could argue Alomar though I guess)
SS: Cal Ripken       (Manny Lee a close 2nd though 8-))
3B: Wade Boggs
LF: Rickey Henderson
CF: Ken Griffey Jr.
RF: Jose Canseco
DH: Frank Thomas
SP: Rocket Clemens
RP: Dennis Eckersley

  It's strange but almost all of these to me are clear cut and obvious. It also
seems that this team could kick the hell out of the N.L. best who are MUCH 
harder to choose, I'll try to pick them but I didn't give these much thought:

C: Santiago, I guess (maybe Lavalliere- Slaught)
1B: Will Clark       (hon mention, my 2nd favorite player Fred McGriff!)
2B: Ryno
SS: Barry Larkin
3B: Howard Johnson   (I know he doesn't play there anymore, but it makes this 
		      team look a lot better if we put him there) 
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Van Slyke        (I guess, maybe Butler)
RF: Bonilla, Strawberry or Justice (maybe even Gwynn)
SP: Rijo, Dennis Martinez
RP: Dibble I guess

  I think the A.L.'s team is far superior to the N.L.'s team. Opinions?

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Mariners home 4-22, 23, 24?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:45:07 GMT

In article <1582@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> rwr@mpd.tandem.com (Rick Ramke) writes:
>Anyone know if the Mariners are playing at home the evenings of
>April 22, 23, or 24?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Rick

If the Mariners' performance (i.e., home attendance) doesn't pick up, does
anyone believe that  the American League owners  could still choose not to
sanction the Mariners' sale thus freeing them to move if they so choose?
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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Errors (was Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:18:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr13.235055.2269@m.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <1992Apr12.025345.2652@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>>Yes, but we know that without errors.  Chances = PO + A + E.  Thus,
>>Murphy has 698 PO + A, while Lucy has 600.  Why do you even need to
>>bring the errors into it?
>
>We don't *need* errors, but in this situation we can use errors.  Since
>chances and errors tell us one is better, why did you need to bring
>assists and putouts into it?  :->

Because you're only using chances and errors as a backhanded way of computing
putouts and assists.  You *aren't* using errors at all in your evaluation.

Or is that what the ":->" meant?

>I'm not claiming that errors are particularly useful, or that errors
>give you *any* information you can't get from another source.  However,
>since errors clearly *can* be used in the hypothetical situation, it
>strikes me as a bit silly to imply that errors can convey no information.

The claim was that, BY THEMSELVES, they convey no information, and that when
combined with other things, they don't modify the conclusions you would have
drawn given only the other things.  You haven't shown me that this isn't
true.



-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: winstonc@aludra.usc.edu (|)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: F.T. is God (was Re: Cecil is a god!!!)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 18:03:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr9.004431.8685@leland.Stanford.EDU> burger@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schlossberg) writes:
 >Hmmm, let's do a bit of math.  At the current pace, Cecil would only hit...
 >

At the current pace, Frank would only hit...

>243!!!!! Homeruns this year!

162 Homeruns this year, and have ...


 > 
 >And he would have...
 >
 >486 RBIs!!!

324 walks, and ...

A .667 BA, and ...
An .800 OBP, and ...
A 1.600 SLG, and
a 2.400 OPS (!), and
a OTS (here, Nelson :-) ) greater than 1 (1.280)!!!!


 >
 >Ok, so what if Detroit loses all of its games 10-9 or something like that.  
 >They're still fun to watch.

And the White Sox might even actually win!!


 >
 >And, I have Cecil on my fantasy team.
 >
 >GO CECIL!!!
 >

This is silly, of course. Bobby Bonilla is not going to hit 324 HR's, or
162, for that matter, nor is Cecil going to hit 243. Let's not get too
carried away now.

 >
 >-- 
 >Scott Schlossberg takes his leave of you. |"I could never be a woman.  All I'd
 >Drop a line at burger@leland.stanford.edu | ever do is sit around and play with
 >The Texas Rangers will dethrone the Twins!| my breasts all day."
 >The New York Giants will be back in 1992!!| --Steve Martin in L.A. Story


-- 
Winston Chang		    "Truth is beauty, beauty truth;
winstonc@aludra.usc.edu	     That is all ye know on earth,
			     And all ye need to know."
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From: ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth)
Subject: Re: why righty-righty match-up?
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:27:07 GMT

silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman) writes:

>gmkumar@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (G. Mahinthakumar) writes:

>>Hi Netters,
>>This is my first posting to rsb although I've been following
>>it for the past 6 months. This could be something very obvious,
>>but I cannot hold this question any longer. Here it goes..

>>Is it true that right handed batters hit better against
>>right handed pitchers?  or is it the other way around?

>>If so, why?

>>-Kumar

>>PS:
>>My office mate is a little league coach and he says that
>>it is just statistical evidence

>Right handed batters hit better against left handed pitchers, left handed
>batters better against right handed pitchers.  Switch hitters generaly hit
>best when batting from their natural side.  (Nearly all switch hitters were

This is true in theory, if half the pop. was lefty there might be more
truth in it.
Throughout Little league, and on through the minors, all right handed
hitters face more right handed pitchers and are used to it thats how
they got to the majors, by hitting righties.

I know when i played baseball there were only 1or2 lefty pitchers in the
league and it was harder to hit them because it was awkward.  If a hitter
can't hit righties it is unlikely he will get to the major league level.

righty-lefty, lefty-righty  is old baseball mumbo-jumbo and with
certain players as exceptions is mythical and "playing the percentages"
is bull.
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Worst Record for a Best Team in ML (was: '92 Predictions...)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:39:26 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.021627.21268@news2.cis.umn.edu> ewk@shark.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>In <167C2EE5B.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>     This is actually a bold prediction, in a way:  .574 would be
>>the worst regular season winning percentage for the best team in
>>baseball (best during the regular season) in the history of major
>>league baseball.  I think *some* team will have the talent or luck
>
>Didn't the Twins win only 85 games in '87??

Yes, but one of the other three divisional champs won more than 93 games.
-- 
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Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Bill James' Game Score
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:36:28 GMT

In article <4466@radian.UUCP> bobd@.uucp (Bob Donaldson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.195514.16740@u.washington.edu>, sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>> 
>> HOW TO CALCULATE GAME SCORES IN 9 EASY STEPS AND 2 SHORT CUTS
>> All information is available in standard, everyday box scores.
>> 
>> 1.  Start with 50 points.
>> 2.  Add 1 for each batter retired.
>> 3.  Add 2 for each inning completed beyond the 4th.

>I think you are missing something here.  My recollection is that step 2
>above is designed to count the BATTERS that a pitcher retires NOT all
>the outs that are recorded.  He would not get credit for a CS (nor be
>penalized for a SB), would not get extra credit for a DP/TP or for a
>runner gunned down on the basepaths (e.g. trying to score from 1st on
>a 2B or trying to stretch a 1B into a 2B).  Admittedly, this makes it
>a little harder to calculate from a standard box score, but it gets at
>the real point of the GS.  If BJ had really wanted to simply score 3
>points each for the first 4 innings and 5 points each for the rest, I
>expect that he would have simply said it that way!

What you're saying makes sense. It *is* a little silly to give the
pitcher credit for a caught stealing. But Steven does have it the
way that Bill James defined it. James even gave a similar shortcut.



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Red Sox vs. Jays
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.152017.25372@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.005436.14902@berlioz.nsc.com> roger@thoreau.nsc.com ( Roger Wakefield) writes:
>>3b:     Boggs       Gruber         (edge Boggs, obviously Gammons does
>>not agree)
>
>	Boggs?  Well, he is getting old.  I like Gruber's defense better
>than that of Boggs.  As far as hitting goes, Boggs is a better hitter than
>Gruber, but the Jays have other guys who can do Boggs' job.  So I'll take
>the better defense.

Are you saying, then, since San Francisco has other hitters, we might as well
put Jose Uribe at shortstop since he plays good defense?

Boggs is a *way* better hitter than Gruber.  Check that.  Boggs is a *way*
better *walker* than Gruber.  Gruber has nothing more than an average OBP.

Boggs is older, and much more likely to decline; however, one year is not 
likely to see him decline so much as to come down to Gruber's caliber.

>>dh:     Clark       Winfield       (strong edge Clark, why doesn't
>>Gammons agree?)
>	Because Winfield IS better?  Clark just has not been producing.
>Winfield produces a lot more than Clark.

Where did you get Winfield is better?  He ate up bundles of outs last year,
and his power does not compensate for that.  Besides, Clark has comparable
power.

I am not a Red Sox fan, but I think that their offense is leaps and bounds
better than the Blue Jays.  The issue to determine the division is whether
if the Jays' better pitching will compensate enough for the lack of offense.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Charter Member of the Acker-o-phobics Anonymous
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ramon, MRI, Crews, Comments, and a Question
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:47:37 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <92099.081658WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET> WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>there was nothing wrong with his arm. I don't know if you can put a player
>on the DL if they say there is nothing wrong with them, but you should be
>able to force the player to do something to get himself ready to play.
>Putting him on the DL won't do it, cause they still get that big ole
>paycheck every two weeks. I don't know what the answer is.

While I don't understand the reluctance of Ramon Martinez for getting an
MRI, I'm not so sure it's reasonable to say that teams ought to be able to
force a player to undergo medical tests.  Do you think your employer ought
to be able to force you to undergo medical tests?  If not, why do you think
major league teams ought to be able to?  Is it just because they're paying
their employees a lot of money?  Then, at what point is it that your salary
is so high you should have to give up the right to choose whether you seek
medical attention or not?  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NY MET ENVY
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr9.013919.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>For all those idiots and athletic supporters of loser teams such as the
>Cubs, etc, it's really discouraging to see the rampent level of MET ENVY,

Is this supposed to be merely analogous to, or actually identical with, the
more famous sort of "envy" described by Freud?

(I mean, I hear the Mets called that a lot, but I thought it was just a
 figure of speech...)

-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fielder will win the Triple Crown
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:31:28 GMT
Distribution: na

> I mean, geez, he isn't going to hit .280 most likely, and the SB thing
> was in fun, but what would lead you to think the guy will crash?


I think he has as good a shot at leading the league in both HR and RBI as
anyone, but I doubt he'll lead the league in BA.  With Boggs and Brett
and F. Thomas and (possibly) Cal Ripken, not to mention some of those
texas hitters, he's got to come a long way for the best batting average
in the league over the long haul.  That doesn't take anything away from
his ability in the other areas, his power numbers.  If he can cut down
even a _little_ on his whiffs, that will go a long way to help his BA, just
because he's so damned strong and can fist a ball to the warning track,
almost! :)  He's not going to get a heck of a lot of infield singles, that's
for sure! :)

Ken
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From: dmeister@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Darren Meister)
Subject: Re: If not Alfredo, who?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.092650.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca> palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>The Blue Jay management has done some strange things with the SS hole
>on the team. It seems they expected Zosky to become better than he is
>when they traded away Tony Fernandes, and then they signed
>Alfredo as a backup for Manny Lee.
>
>So they made some mistakes. But what should they do now?
>
>Suppose Manny Lee is injured or begins to play even worse than he has
>played in the past. Should they start Alfredo? Should they call up
>Zosky? Do they have someone in AA they can call up? 
>
>Or should they try to make a trade now before they get even more
>desperate? What are some reasonable trades they might make to fill
>this hole?
>  John Palmer      London, Ontario     Voice: (519) 661-3533     FAX: 672-4976

Personally, I think that they should try Jeff Kent at SS while he has been
called up. I know that he is currently filling in for Gruber while he has 
a twinge in the neck. However, Kent is a 2b and it might be worth a try to
have him at SS in some late inning situations. I think Kent would relish the
opportunity because let's face it 2b in the Jays organization is not exactly
a position that looks like it will be open for competition very soon.

-- 
Darren Meister                                  dmeister@watserv1.waterloo.edu
From: marwood@qucis.queensu.ca (Simon Marwood DSC REP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing METS Update
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:13:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston

In article <1992Apr10.050954.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>Surprise!  Surprise!  HOJO took the first step towards his defense of the
>NL home run crown with a popup to center field (bleachers).

Surprise! Surprise! Today HOJO misplayed a Bret Barberie fly ball into
a double which led to the Expos third run. Too bad in this case all of
his steps entailed running *in the wrong direction*. A good sign
of things to come.

>JUNIOR NOBOA
>is awesome. All of a sudden, he's got New Yorkers reminiscing about another
>late bloomer boomer, a certain HOJO.  

Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!! Junior Noboa? "awesome" ???! That must be the reason
he was released by Montreal. Junior Noboa will never be a boomer of any
kind. The man has no pop in his bat. Can we say "singles hitter" ??

>By the way, notice how the METS are focused on the intangibles of the game;

>from the MIGHTY METS.
[etc.]
[Other irritating comments deleted]

How sad it is that the "lowly" (NOT) Expos defeated the Mets in their
home opener today, with former "lowly" *Cardinal* pitcher Ken Hill
pitching a complete game shutout. Dwight Gooden goes down to defeat.

Simon

-- 
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Queen's University
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From: cjwein@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Chris J. Wein)
Subject: Re: Mack Beaning
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.150018.119@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) writes:
>
>  Is anyone in the AL offices or Fay Vincent's office(sorry,
>delusions of a commissioner) going to do anything about this.
>I did not see any highlights of the game(I'm cableless), but
>I heard about it on the radio.  It would have been worse if Bosio
>hit Mack, but this is just setting a bad precedent where people like
>Cecil Fielder and Frank Thomas getting beaned by marginal tenth 
>pitchers.  Is there grounds for a suspension of Fetters or even
>the manager(just like hockey)

From what I saw, Mack got hit by a slider that got away, not an intentional
hit.  I may just believe that it was a coincidence that Mack got hit...
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From: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING)
Subject: *** TORONTO BLUE JAYS ***
Followup-To: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:45:13 GMT

Although the Toronto Blue Jays seem to have an improved team - overall
that is, they seem to have begun this '92 season with an unexpectedly
weakening pitching staff.  I'm not talking about the starters, which
include Jack 'Black' Morris, Dave Stieb and Jimmy Key, but the relievers
which seems to have weakened a bit.  

Of course, it is not in any teams' best interest to try and beat the
Jays by getting to their bullpen, but with minor injuries to Toronto's
star reliever Tom Henke and the relatively unproven skills of Timilin
(to think about it, we don't even know how hard Steib can be worked),
Jays seem to have quite a weak set of backup pitchers - correct me if
I'm wrong, but it does seem that this year, Toronto has given up a
once strong bullpen in order to keep Roberto Alomar and to sign Jack
Morris.

Sometimes I question the wisdom of the Jays in signing Morris. Although
he was a proven pitcher in the 80's, he isn't getting any younger.  The
Jays seem desperate for the title, and in signing proven players rather
than those who show potential (like Eddie Z.) they had better a least
make it to the WS or toronto fans will begin to get restless.

Jim Chuong
University of Toronto
Faculty of Engineering
From: MAEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Marc Eichen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mets tickets to sell
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:33:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92097.153345MAEHC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have row G field box seats behind the visting bench to the following
games:  Mets v. Phillies, Tuesday, April 14th
             v. Reds, Wednesday, May 27th
             v. Expos, Wednesday, June 17th
             v. Giants, Sunday, July 19th
             v. Padres, Friday, July 24th.
They are pairs of tickets at $15 each (so each game is $30).
If you're interested call Barry Orek at home:  718.788.2306.

These are VERY good seats.
Best,
Marc
From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cards/Mets Game... Coleman Injured (?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:05:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Apr9.211146.27288@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown) writes:
>Unsubtantiated rumor...
>
>	Mets are clubbing the Cards today like baby seals, but Coleman
>came out of the game with aggravated hamstring...
>
>			Inquiring minds, etc, etc, 
>
>			frisbee

I hope so!

Dan - A Cardinal Fan, and Proud of it!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: Re: How do I apply for this job?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:52:42 GMT

@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
...[about pete gammons]
>The trade rumors from Mars I can handle.  It's the gross misunderstanding
>of who's good at what that I find inexcusable in someone who does nothing
>professionally except (allegedly) know baseball.  I'm not quite as photogenic
>as old Peter, but I *know* I could do a better job with his airtime.
>So where do I apply?

 Yeah, but it's not all baseball.  Can you  match his winning
  personality and great smile?


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From: rjs@home.merit.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Subject: Re: Homerun Pool knowledge needed
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.115455.15709@pbs.org> kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man) writes:
>In article <92087.164529DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>, DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> You might want to substitue Davis of the Orioles for Ripkin (actually
>> I hope they finish in a tie for the AL lead, each putting huge dents into
>> the warehouse behind Camden Yards).
>
>Hmm.  A 460 ft. homerun to *opposite* field.  THAT I'd like to see.

A couple of years ago, I went to a Royals-Tigers game. I don't remember
who was pitching, but they laid a waist high fastball on the outside half
of the plate. Bo Jackson hit it in the bleachers in DEEP right center
in Tiger Stadium. Before you laugh, Tiger Stadium is a chip shot down 
the lines and even at the beginnings of the alleys, but in center and
right center, it gets deep. Jackson's homer went way over the 410 (I think)
mark. What a blast...What a loss to sports his injury is...(and to
the advert biz, he said cynically)

			Rob
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