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From: patlo@parc.xerox.com (Patrick Lo)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: >Lists of RTC Foreclosures...
Keywords: RTC Foreclosures
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:06:15 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC


The 800 number for the RTC foreclosure list is :

	1-800-283-9288

When you call, you can either leave a voice message of your name, address,
and the location you are interested in and they will mail you a list of
RTC listing. Or, you can wait and talk to someone. But the waiting time may
be quite long.

I have gotton the listing several times and they are free of charge. I think
if you request less than 4 areas, they don't charge you. One more thing,
the RTC listing is divided into several types : single family house, condo,
land, commercial property. You need to specify the type you are interested
in.

******************************

Jill Khiew, MBA
AllState Insurance Agent
415-961-5432 or 408-946-3545
1605 W El. Camino Real,
Mtn. View, CA 94040.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: dennice@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Dennice)
Subject: HOUSE PAINTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: Slac
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:28:37 GMT

House Painting!


No job to BIG or small.

Interior and exterior

Reasonable prices! (cheap)


Please call:

B&D PAINTWORKS
Day (415) 926-2377 Please leave message if no answer.
night (408) 729-7305
Pager (510) 810-9028 or (415) 424-7021
Xref: sparky ba.general:4076 rec.pets.dogs:11761
From: ddh@earth.esd.sgi.com (Daniel Hachigian)
Newsgroups: ba.general,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Auto repair San Mateo/Redwood city area
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:26:18 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

gjackson@us.oracle.com (Gregg Jackson) writes:

|> Midas Muffler on El Camino Real down near Woodside Road. They replaced the 
|> muffler on my Toyota Camry a couple of years ago and they were prompt and
|> friendly.

A year or two ago there was a protracted discussion here (I think) in
which a dozen or so people posted their complaints that Midas had 
either overcharged them or steered them into unnecessary work.  I 
can't speak for this specific Midas, but I would say caveat emptor.

Dan
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Parental Responsibility  (Was:  Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.015142.623@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:

>In article <cq+pb0d.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>From a practical perspective, I agree that your neighbor ought to
>>put a latch on his gate.  But I can't go along with holding him
>>even slightly responsible for any unfortunate outcomes.

>why on earth not? 

Because, in simplest terms, it isn't his problem.  People have (or
at least should have) a right to use their property as they see fit.

>a latch is a simple thing to do! or are you one of those
>people who seem to think that if a parent is stupid or negligent or just
>unlucky, then the child deserves to pay the price with his/her life?

Your post is evidence of not thinking clearly.  When a child suffers
because of parental neglect, the parent *and the parent alone* has
failed to meet his obligation.  We are not put on earth to accept
responsibility for picking up the slack when a parent is at fault.
People are welcome to do so at their option and those who do are
mini-heroes.  But for society to expect such behavior is troublesome, 
inconsistent and fraught with practical issues.

You might ask yourself just how far you're willing to take the 
responsibility of non-parents.  Several years ago, a mother left her
infant child in a car, in the direct sunlight, to pop into work.  The
mother got distracted and spent several hours in the workplace.  When
she returned to her car, the kid was cooked.

Shall we hold the carmaker responsible for not foreseeing such an event
and equipping all cars with some sort of device that senses intolerable
heat thresholds in the vehicle and triggers the AC?  I hope you agre not.
So why try to implicate the owner of an attractive nuisance?

>Not even slightly responsible??????

(Oh man, I fear that a bit of Phil Ronzone has rubbed off on me...)

The issue is not one of degree.

It is not one of practicality.

It is not even one of attitude.

The problem is really much simpler -- are we our brother's keeper?

Again, there's nothing wrong with someone volunteering to accept
additional responsibility -- such people probably make great neighbors.

But to forcibly inflict such a burden upon the people to offload the
enormous burder of parenthood from the parent is simply wrong.


-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Female Roommate Needed in Sunnyvale
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:41:45 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


Available November 15th
This is a 2 bedroom, 2 bath apt. with a Loft
You would have your own bedroom (the Master Bedroom) with your own
private bathroom in your bedroom.  You would also be able to share
the Loft area which I will be using as an office... you can have
half of that room to use as office/study space, or whatever.

This is a modern apt. complex (only about 4 years old) with 2 swimming
pools, a jacuzzi, and a small workout room.  Most of the residents are
young couples or singles in their 20's and 30's.

I am looking for a female roommate who is a professional (or student) and
who is responsible, 25-35 years old, non-smoker, no drugs, and no pets.
I am all of the above.

Your half of the rent will be $567.50 (DON'T FORGET -- THAT ALSO INCLUDES
1/2 OF THE LOFT AREA)

If this sounds good to you, please send e-mail IMMEDIATELY!  I have a 
deposit down on this apartment and need to find a roommate ASAP!!

Thanks,
Linda
lindae@netcom.com
Xref: sparky ba.general:4100 misc.kids:24948 misc.legal:17971
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:00:08 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct2.154058.29552@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl) writes:
>The line is very clear.  It is (or should be) the line which marks
>the boundary of my property.  Neighbor's kids do not belong on my
>property....period!  I am constantly amazed at the lack of parenting
>in this area.  Each of my 3 kids knows it would be their hide that
>pays if they were caught trespassing on someone else's property for

Making them pay with their hide is fine. Making them pay with their
life is not. A swimming pool is a deadly threat to children.

>Let's be honest here.  The bottom line is that the parents of these
>kids have failed in their role as parents, BUT that shouldn't make
>you and I responsible for the acts of the hulligans they've raised.

Children should not die for the failures of the parents.
All you have to do is put a fence around your swimming pool.
If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
From: dks@Apple.COM (dk smith)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Framing places
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:09:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <PINKAS.92Sep25121937@skywalker.intel.com> pinkas@skywalker.intel.com (Israel Pinkas) writes:
>tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin) writes:
>
>     Please recommend place or places where I can have my prints
>   and paintings framed at reasonable rate, with good to excellent
>   quality.  Price is a factor, but quality rates higher.
>
>

I would highly recommend an individual named Sherry. Her phone number is
415 851-1514. She does most excellent work. She has been framing for 12-15 yrs
(or thereabouts). She does the same custom quality jobs as a custom frame
shop would do however her rates are a bit less since she doesn't carry the
overhead of a store front, etc. Adobe is one of her (very satisfied) customers.

Tell her dk sent you.
---
dks@apple.com | Above opinions are mine and are not endorsed by Apple Computer
AppleLink: ULTIMATE | 408 974-1275 | Play Disc, Enjoy Disc, Live by SOTG

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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 2 Oct 1992 22:38:09 -0400
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <1992Sep28.204408.12260@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:

>Yes, consumers are allowed to be stupid! Remember the DRAM industry in the US?
>Americans used to pay approx $3.00 for a 256kx1 DRAM chip. Then the Japs
>decide to undercut (which is , BTW illegal in this country). Now, the Fat Dumb 
>and Happy (yes, your word Phil) So-called-americans take the bait and buy
>the $1.50 JAPANESE import DRAMS. The US companies producing these go
>out of business, and then the japs rocket the price to $12 each. Who
>got screwed when it was all said and done? The Fat Dumb and Happy AMERICAN.

Uh, should someone tell this guy that the solution that was attempted(*)
was a REPUBLICAN solution and it drove the price to be $20 a chip!

Does anyone else remember how the entire computer industry STAGNATED
for an entire year because nobody would introduce newer, more powerful
machines due to the price of the larger memories such machines would
require?

Tom
(*) The solution was a tarrif that caused such a shortage you couldn't
find chips if you had the $20-$30/chip to pay for them!

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Families should be more like the Waltons instead of the Simpsons" -G. Bush;
"But we *are* like the Waltons: we're waiting for the Depression to end,
too!" -B. Simpson 8/20;    S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+ PIG8/5
Xref: sparky ba.general:4195 misc.kids:25211 misc.legal:18115
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:34:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

markr@mcil.comm.mot.com writes:
>I believe we were talking about cases in which suit was brought after
>the child climbed over the fence and drowned.

The general principle of "attractive nuisance" arose out of cases where
children were injured, not killed, though.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Subject: Santa Cruz Open Studios
Reply-To: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:08:25 GMT

The Santa Cruz Art League is having its annual Santa Cruz Open Studios the
weekends of Oct 10-11 and Oct 17-18.  During the open studios, most of the
numerous art studios in the Santa Cruz area will be open to the public.
This is a rare opportunity to actually go inside the studios and see the
artists at work.  It doesn't matter if you're interested in painting or
pottery, glass blowing or glass carving, sculpture or woodworking, there
is something for everybody.  And of course, there will be plenty of art
available for purchase (Christmas *is* just around the corner).

Maps are available thru the Santa Cruz Art League.

For more information, contact the Santa Cruz Art League @ (408) 426-5787,
or Glenn Nelson @ (408) 441-3014
-- 
    Jeff Johnson    | Ultra Network Technologies | voice: (408) 922-0100 x284
  jeffj@ultra.com   |     101 Daggett Drive      |   fax: (408) 433-9287
...ames!ultra!jeffj |    San Jose, CA  95134     |   sex: (900) 976-4825
 The difference between ignorance and apathy?  I don't know and I don't care
From: mcb@robbe-grillet.postmodern.com (Fight the real enemy!)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Fry's -- Yet Another Bad Experience
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:02:42 GMT
Organization: Postmodern Consulting, San Francisco, California USA

In the referenced article, douglas@netcom.com (Douglas Mason) writes:
> [re Fry's controversy]
> Actually they do use those check verification machines, much to my
> demise.  

Gee, guy, I know it's a pain not to be able to write a check, but I
didn't think it was *fatal*.   :-)

--
Michael C. Berch  
mcb@postmodern.com
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: The Second City
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:13:25 GMT

In article 31105@goofy.Apple.COM, kanner@Apple.COM (Herbert Kanner) writes:
>There is an ad in the local papers for: "From the creators of SCTV:
>The Second City," 8pm October 17 at Stanford's Memorial Auditorium.
>
>Is this any relation to the Chicago company called Second City? Reply

There are two Second Cities: Chicago in the US (well, third really, LA
is bigger) and Toronto in Canada where SCTV was produced.  Home of
John Candy and the Great White North.

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Fry's -- Yet Another Bad Experience
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:38:34 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Oct3.085546.21955@netcom.com>, douglas@netcom.com (Douglas Mason) writes:

> Actually they do use those check verification machines, much to my
> demise. 

They also use the credit card verification systems, and the cashier would
still have to get a manager's approval for all but the smallest charge!
I suspect that this, their return procedure, and the receipt-checker by
the door is more because they don't trust their employees rather than
customers.

Another irritating incident:  One time I grabbed a $19.95 calculator
off of the rack and headed for the checkout line.  On my way there 
a salesman intercepts me and says "Here, let me ring that up for 
you".  Thinking I'm going to be able to bypass the checkout line, I
cluelessly follow the salesman to a terminal.  I wait several minutes
while he electronically writes up the calculator so he can boost his
sales total, then he hands it back to me and directs me to the end of the
checkout line.  Instead I dumped it in the magazine rack and bought one
elsewhere.  

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			 
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:51:08 GMT

>pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes (to Eric P.):
>>
>>I don't think that you understand how what you say come across.  Your tipoff
>>could be that no one has rushed to your aid :*).

	He's doing an OK job on his own and probably knows more about
	the topic than most.  Besides, popularity doesn't make "right,"
	does it.

>>My intent was to address the silliness of your "Love it or leave it"
>>remark.  No doubt it was a purely emotional response.  I know you're
>>not capable of personal attack.  Except when speaking of Japanese
>>people.  But its OK ... unpopular views and insensitive racially
>>oriented remarks are not a crime here. 
  ^^^^^^^  try "Asian"  :^)

	Oh, you don't like something the Japanese do so you must
	be racist....  So if I can't stand Jesse Jackson I'm
	racist too.  How nice for you to put everyone in your
	little categorical boxes so you don't have to think any more: 
	"I don't want to listen to him, he's a racist."

Eric:
>Well, I don't really endorse anyone.  But I can't stand that jerk
>that cheated on his wife for twelve years, dodged the draft, and
>smoked pot and NOW wants to be PRESIDENT of this land. 

	Well the people who vote for him still believe he's a
	guy _they_ can look UP to.   (heavy on the sarcasm)


Xref: sparky ba.general:4178 misc.kids:25151
From: linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:51:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <183762@pyramid.pyramid.com> kathyj@pyramid.COM (Kathy Johnson ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.195403.22638@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep30.165604.8251@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>|> >I like to think of the taxes you pay as paying for the education YOU
>|> >received in public schools. (it's not perfect, but nothing is)
>|> >-- 
>|> 	That's fine, but then I shouldn't be paying more than
>|> 	1 child's worth of taxes for this to be fair.
>|> 
>|> 	I would LOVE to see people pay completely for schooling
>|> 	(babysitting) additional children-- why should I have to pay 
>|> 	for everyone else's irresponsible breeding habits?  
>|> 	
>|> 	And here's a proposal for federal taxes:
>|> 		1 child	=  1 tax deduction
>|> 		2 kids  =  1 tax deduction still (no add'l)
>|> 		3 kids  =  1 tax penalty (so neutral total)
>|> 		4+ kids =  heap on those penalties!
>|> 
>|> 	People who want multiple kids should start paying for their
>|> 	school costs and other services.
>
>Would you apply this to people who adopt hard-to-place kids?  Or only to
>'breeders'?

To "breeders".  I like the idea too.
-- 
Linda V. Hill                           Email: linda@net.com
Network Equipment Technologies          Phone: (415) 780-5785
800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Fax:   (415) 780-5001
Redwood City, CA 94063 
Xref: sparky ba.general:4144 misc.kids:25036
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:52:10 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

>>In article <1992Sep28.204408.12260@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>|> Yes, consumers are allowed to be stupid! Remember the DRAM industry in
>>|> the US? Americans used to pay approx $3.00 for a 256kx1 DRAM chip.
>>|> Then the Japs decide to undercut (which is , BTW illegal in this country).
>>|> Now, the Fat Dumb and Happy (yes, your word Phil) So-called-americans
>>|> take the bait and buy the $1.50 JAPANESE import DRAMS. The US companies
>>|> producing these go out of business, and then the japs rocket the price to
>>|> $12 each. Who got screwed when it was all said and done? The Fat Dumb and
     Happy AMERICAN.

>In article <1992Sep30.180204.18980@odin.corp.sgi.com>
pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:

>>First of all, there's something to be said for dispensing with your
>>quasi-racist "Jap" vernacular.  You might fool some people into thinking

In article <1992Oct1.035641.7490@leland.Stanford.EDU>
eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Oh, if you can't  (intelligently) attack my arguement, then point the
>finger at me and call me a racist..... too many so-called ameicans do that 
>nowadays.

Very interesting.
A news segment demo'ed software today on the issue of racism, and in fact,
one segment had precisely this argument.  The s/w was for kids of course.
Perhaps Stanford should consider a lab running such software as well?

Paul: you are a TRUE PATRIOT.  But don't waste too much time on Eric.
Think about working on his children.

>Maybe US companies wouldn't need to do this if we weren't being attacked
>from across the pacific, and dumb americans falling for it. Forty years
>ago, when people actually cared about this country, it would have been
>an outrage to buy a foreign car (as your first car). Now people think
>it's trendy or something. If you don't like this country- leave- you're
>not wanted. And if you don't like our products, then go work in a country
>that you think is better. 

Ah, the economics as warfare argument.  A poor one.
You have clearly not lived in a war.  You were around 40 years ago?
Haven't seen this Love it or leave it argument since the days of Nam.

Design better products.  Get fewer lawyers.
"Ah! There must be a way to make these things smaller."
Wish the honorable ancestors built cars as well as the Germans.....
Who placed ba.general one this?  Gawd no wonder so many kids are screwed up.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Xref: sparky ba.general:4241 misc.kids:25336 misc.legal:18190
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>=>>>Exactly to whom is it the worth the cost of a fence to put the
>=>>>fence around Mr. Sohl's swimming pool?  Let that person speak up.
>=
>=   My original posting meant that I would feel morally obligated to
>=   protect the community of children from my attractive nuisance if
>=   it were my pool--whether or NOT it also happens to be the law.  
>=
>=   Does THAT answer your stupid question?
>
In article <1aqlpnINN56l@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>No.  I don't think the question is hard to understand, so I conclude
>that you're evading it.


    How explicit an answer would you like?  If Mr. Sohl owns a pool,
    he should bear the expense of the fence for both legal and moral
    reasons...

    As far as the legal part, consult any attorney.  As far as the
    moral part, that's up to you.

    Is that explicit enough, or should I just assume that you are
    stupid?
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.181324.18587@netcom.com> kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio) writes:

>If you own a swimming pool, you have certain liabilities, just as you
>do in owning a motor vehicle -- if a pedestrian steps out in front of
>your car and you hit him unavoidably, breaking his legs, it's his fault
>and your liability.

It's statements like this that have me seriously concerned for the 
future of private property rights in this country.

If you can't see the difference between a vehicle accident on a public
roadway where operating a vehicle is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT (do you
understand the difference), and a case where someone gets injured by
dint of trespass upon private property, you're beyond help on this
topic.

Your description of the leg-breaking accountabiity is also misleading.
If the driver was operating lawfully and the pedestrian jaywalked or
disobeyed signals, its quite possible the driver will not be penalized
and the pedestrian will add the price of a ticket to his medical bills.
I saw an incident at Wolfe and ECR a few years ago where a kid was trying
to beat traffic across a left turn lane.  A car going no more than 5 MPH
hit him and stopped instantly, pinning his foot under a tire.  The kid
frantically waved at the driver to back up, which the driver eventually
did.  The kid got up and limped across the street where a waiting cop (man
did they get there fast) wrote him up.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids