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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 07:24:44 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> In article <Bu5pus.Gxv@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes
> >elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
> >
> >>This is quite true.  My system is a good example of that decline.  I starte
> >>this BBS as a small, alias-based system running RBBS on my old original Com
> >>I got bit by the fidonet bug before usenet, and local stuff declined from t
> >
> >most of us started with fidonet, then mature into usenet
>
>  Well, Usenet does not have everything for all of its greatness. My BBS is
> part of a network that uses the Fidonet style networking (since it is
> mainly DOS machines and either Fido nodes or ex-Fido nodes) and it has
> what my users want. I would love to switch to some variant of *nix but
> then I would have to drop off of the network, at least for a few months.
> All of the interface software between Usenet/UUCP and Fidonet style
> networking is really bad on the *nix side and not much better (with the
> exception of Waffle) on the Fido technology or DOS side. There are
> *dozens* of small, special interest networks using Fidonet style
> networking on mainly DOS machines.
>

Not so.  There is at least one *nix package to send/receive fido style mail.
Taken from the file network.doc in the Waffle docs:

----begin excerpt----

M I S C E L L A N E O U S

o  Receiving FIDONET echos on your system

   There is a package called RFMAIL developed in Finland that
   allows FIDO echos to be gated directly into Usenet style
   newsgroups. These can then be understood by Waffle. There are
   copies of RFMAIL available for

   x  Anonymous FTP at ftp.ieee.org
      /pub/bbs/rfmail*.tar.Z

   x  X,Y,Z MODEM download at Darkside BBS, +1 408 245 SPAM
      /files/unix/rfmail*.tz

----end exceprt


I cannot vouch for the quality of this package, but at least one exists.



|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:37:33 GMT

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

>Most of the 'OtherNets' have their own policy documents.  Some are modelled

more policies, more rules, more BS

>after Fidonet, others are radically different.  Some have very little written
>policy at all.

Which sounds much better -- can you tell us about some of these other nets?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access.
Keywords: Fidonet
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:46:31 GMT

randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:

>And it is amusing to compare the Subject: of this thread with your position
>regarding charging for mail and newsfeeds.  Hypocrisy and greaseburgers,
>the last American exports.

I didn't originate the subject, someone else did.  Fidonet has a place
in basements and dens of individuals around the world -- aka the amateur
network.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: Steven_P._Oliver@bearsden.UUCP (Steven P. Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: WWIV..HA!
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:17:56 GMT
Organization: The Bear's Den BBS   (715) 839-7997

WWIV may not be cripple ware, but trying to get doors to run with it is
next to impossible.  Using the Chain.txt file for a user information file,
WWIV has locked itself into a groove where you MUST use software made JUST
for WWIV or not use it at all.  I speak from having run WWIV, and the
related problems.  IT is an easy to set up Software for BBS, but is very
limited.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access.
Keywords: Fidonet
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:51:17 GMT

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

>direct e-mail communication.  Not so in this case!  The guy fires of a message
>to my NC who was still miffed at me and the NC dropped me from the network
>within *12* hours of receiving the complaint!  No investigation, no hearing my
>side of the story, no seeing if any communication between me and the other guy
>had taken place.  The NC was miffed and out I go!  Policy, Murph, you know how
>it is...

Yep -- that's (as Grant calls it) Fight-O-Net -- BS -- the amateur network

>Policy says I have a right to a speedy decision (30 days) in appeal.  Each
>level of appeal has taken over 30 days with the ZC dragging his feet for over
>a month and a half now.

Policy is more BS.  We don't have it here, and we communicate and pass
traffic with corporate america (and the world) along with the universities
without the headaches.

>Fidonet.  Policy.  Politics.  It blows donkey balls.  That document isn't
>worth the lives of the trees cut down to write it.  It only counts when
>someone wants it to count.

Yes -- and Policy 4 (or whatever they call it these days) is for the kids.

Many of those here in usenet were fidonet sysops until the found the light.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:22:50 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>No editor, no quoting, and now this.  It does run under OS/2, I've
>>done it.  There's no native OS/2 version, obviously, but TBBS most
>>certainly runs under OS/2, meaning it doesn't monopolize the machine.

>I called eSoft and was told no.  TBBS doesn't work under and isn't
>supported under OS2.

Hell, I could have told you they'd say something like that.  eSoft is
conservative as hell.  They say that TBBS doesn't work with TSRs
loaded.  This is untrue as well, but they don't want to debug the
numerous problems that TSRs (and other DOS aberations) can cause.
They don't want to support it running under OS/2, which they don't
have and don't know much about.  What they effectively told you was
"TBBS doesn't work under OS/2 as far as we're concerned - if you're
using it, you're on your own, and we can't guarantee it if you do try
it."

None of which changes the fact that it most certainly _does_ work
under OS/2 when correctly configured, and that I have done just that.



-- 
Condoms are made of latex.  So is house paint.  I just keep a gallon of Sears
Weatherbeater next to my bed.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Annoying Users...
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:31:46 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS
Summary: caller ID is the answer

agb001@acad.drake.edu writes:

> I have to ask the question, but does any other people find that there are
> certain people who keep getting deleted, then get on a BBS under a fake accou
> and then seem to endlessly try to make a mockery of the intentions of the BBS

Yes, it happens to almost every bbs from time to time

> Are there any precautions that I could be advised to and also is there any
> legal approach to this? (This has been going on for almost a year and a half.

( Not necessarily in order of what should be done )

1: Ask for proof of ID on registration
    eg: - Require address and telephone number, then check this against your
          phone directory.
        - Voice verification of user - a nice touch as far as most users are
          concerned anyway.
        - face to face meetings if you're really paranoid

2: Leave email to the offending user asking them to desist and/or
   cease using the bbs or face prosecution.

3: Complain to your phone company about a pest if they keep it up.
   ( ie, get the call traced, or use caller ID if available )

4: Complain to your local police if this avenue is available
   ( In some countries, this must be done before the phone company will
     trace calls)

5: Find out the user's real name, and circulate it among all Sysops in your
   area. You may find that you're not the only one being bugged, and it adds
   ammunition to any complaints you make to the authorities.

6: Get a friendly laywer to write a threatening letter.

Personally, I only allow unvalidated users 10 minutes per day, with *no*
mailing privileges, and simply require that they email a name and address
for validation ( If I can't ID them, I ask for more info, or ring them).

Actually, with the software I use (waffle), they really only get 5 minutes
access before the bbs asks them to logout as they are running out of time.

Users who fail to validate within 7 days are sent mail asking that they do so,
after 21 days, their account is consigned to the bit bucket.


dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 08:54:18 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>
> >This is quite true.  My system is a good example of that decline.  I started
> >this BBS as a small, alias-based system running RBBS on my old original Comp
> >I got bit by the fidonet bug before usenet, and local stuff declined from th
>
> most of us started with fidonet, then mature into usenet
>
> >The catch is that netnews has grown into such a large party that it's really
> >easy to join in.  Being 'just' a node on the net sounds bad, because it tend
>
> With the evolution of DOS software and hardware priced within
> everyones reach, like you said just about anyone can get involved,
> which many times is the reason for the distribution problems with
> headers getting re-written, etc.  But, not all sites get a free feed -
> many pay for services like uunet (or us) and a good portion of those
> don't want to have to pay since they go with the attitude they
> should get a free feed (which goes with the fidonet frame of mind)
>
> --
> Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
> keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

Hmmm...dunno about other parts of the country, but here in New Orleans, fido
sysops are required to pay for echomail feeds.  Anyone can be part of fido for
netmail, but echomail requires that you support the NEC's phone bill.  The
times of free fidonet feeds are disappearing fast, mainly because of the volume
of echomail that is moving through that net.

The fact that many sites can't get free feeds is exactly why I operate a public
access system.  If I had to pay uunet or another service, I'd never be able to
handle a full news feed and stay free.  Of course, there's still the fact that
'you get what you pay for.'  I'm at the mercy of my feed in terms of when they
have hardware trouble, they're re-configuring their net, whatever.  I'm not
complaining, since the price is right.  However, if my business depended on the
net for email communications, for example, I'd probably be more inclined to
subscribe to a pay service that guarantees performance.




|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
From: aa713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Brooking)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: USSR BBS's (was posted here some time back)?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 05:08:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I think that at some point there was a list posted here of BBS
systems in the former Soviet Union, I thought I grabbed it at the
time but unfortunately it seems to have disappeared from my hard
drive.  Could the poster or any else who has it please repost it
or send it to me privately? (aa713@cleveland.freenet.edu)  I do
some consulting for a guy who does "organization development" in
Eastern Europe and former USSR and he would really appreciate
having such a list.  Thanks in advance.

- JohnB
-- 
"If you want peace, work for justice." Pope Paul VI |    Don Cole       aa563
-----------------------------------------------------    Jim Laird      aa723
Cleveland Freenet Peace Network              |  Sysops:  Rich Ceaser    aa771
FN Community Center, or type "go peace"      |           John Brooking  aa713
From: dinsmm@rs6424.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Help!  Need Worcester, MA BBS's..........
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:39:56 GMT

Hi there.
I'm looking for some Worcester, MA BBS's.
Anythat you know I would be happy if you
could e-mail me a note to: dinsmm@rpi.edu
Thank you!

Mike Dinsmore
dinsmm@rpi.edu
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Alaska BBSs?
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:59:52 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Quite some time ago someone offered to send me a list of BBSs in Alaska but
I never received it.  I'm still interested if someone would be so kind as
to send a list my way.  Thanks.

Kathleen Creighton
casey@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: 515
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:48:40 GMT

I recieved a note in my e-mail box today of 2 bbs #'s in 515 area
Phantom BBS (515)263-8374
Mission Control (515)265-5522

The person who left it didnt specify baud rate so......

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: Arnie slime <slime@com.slime.uk>
Subject: UK BBS's
Organization: slime international
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Sep 92 12:18:05 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D8E1FDD1020222@ccapple1.cc.keele.ac.uk>
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:18:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: ccapple1.cc.keele.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello out there, uk calling the rest of the world.

Does anyone have  a decent list of UK BBS's (pref. ones with decent
GIF's, xxx or x)

Can you help me?
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Once again
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:19:42 GMT

Once again 515 area code....

I have 612 #s if anyone wants some

Terry Hughes
From: gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (Me, Myself and I.....)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Re: Nyx?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:36:45 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Sep14.120524.9517@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Hello,
>
>I once had an account on nyx, and I've not used it in a long time; I have two
>questions regarding this:
>
>#1: is nyx still public access?
>#2: what is nyx's inet address, if so?
>
>Thanks much in advance!
>
>Spock
>-- 

Yes, nyx is still PA.
NYX's address is nyx.cs.du.edu (can't remember the IP address).

NOTE: I believe they are having a few problems or my network
connections have gone bonkers since I haven't been able to get through
since Sunday afternoon.  Last I got through I believe was Saturday
Morning...  Probably Hardware problems or maybe upgrading, maintanence
etc...

L8r.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Tony Gerardis    @   McGill University - Computer Science
=========================================================================
Prefered account--------------- |  The sun is the same in a relative way,
       gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca    |  but you're older
however also available -------  |  And shorter of breath and one day 
     tgerardi@nyx.cs.du.edu     |  closer to DEATH.       -Floyd
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Nyx?
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:05:24 GMT

Hello,

I once had an account on nyx, and I've not used it in a long time; I have two
questions regarding this:

#1: is nyx still public access?
#2: what is nyx's inet address, if so?

Thanks much in advance!

Spock
-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Re: Wanted - White Supremacist BBS Info
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:16:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>I hear persistent references to BBS's run by groups like the
>Aryan Nation, etc. and have been curious to check them out.
>It's hard to find numbers, though. I finally located a list
>on a progressive BBS, but it was over 5 years old. Does
>anybody have any current info.
*----
If you reach one, be sure to use white characters and a black
background, or you might upset somebody.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: BBS lists
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:44:02 GMT

WANTED!!!!!!! BBS NUBERS FOR THE 515 AREA CODE!!!!!!

Im a new commer to Iowa State University from Minneapolis where I was a 
HUGE bbser....  I need a listing of 515 numbers to keep my sanity... Please
have these be normal calling bbses NOT Infonets.. if the bbs is running net
(i.e. WWIV Net, i.e. FalkenNet)... is alright....

THANK YOU!!!!
email or post please!
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: 212 and 718-Any usenet and Internet sites?
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:48:05 GMT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL


  Does anyone know of any BBSs that offer Usenet conferences and Internet 
mail in the 212 and 718 areas?  If yes, please tell me at:
damir@infopls.chi.il.us
thanks

--
damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: looking for list of Catholic BBSs
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:00:14 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

Was wondering if anyone had a list of BBSs that are more or less 'Catholic'
(meaning being dedicated to issues dealing with Roman Catholicism).  I seem to
remember hearing of a fidonet-style network that was Catholic or ecuminical, so
if anyone knows anything about that I'd appreciate that info also.

In lieu of an exclusively 'Catholic' list, if anyone has a list of 'Christian'
BBSs, maybe I can cull some of the ones that are Roman Catholic in orientation
for the user requesting this info.  Thanks.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: Music and/or MIDI BBS's?
Organization: Design Engineering, Intel Corp., Folsom, CA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:27:33 GMT



I recently took advantage of my employee purchase plan and bought my first
modem, and am now faced with the fact that I know nothing about  using one.
Would some kind soul summarize the basic facts of life regarding modems and
BBS's? I've been on Internet at work long enough to learn that there's a
definite code of conduct, and I assume there's something similar on BBS's.
My main interest is in accessing  some of the music-related BBS's I've
seen mentioned on the net; PAN is one I'm very interested in, and I'm sure
there are plenty of others I should look into. I'm interested in various
musicians' concerns such as networking, discussion, gear for sale/trade,
and particularly in MIDI BBS's where I can find song files, demos, etc.
Any advice appreciated,

David Covell    dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: STILL
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:53:57 GMT

NADA for 515... hell I dont even think I saw any 612's in there and there are
over 150+ bbs in the Twin Cities. Most comming and going like mad but STILL

Xref: sparky alt.bbs.lists:1167 alt.bbs.ads:1350 alt.bbs.lists.d:97 alt.bbs.allsysop:653
From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.lists.d,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: About THE BBS List v1, #6- Sept.
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:49:40 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

THE BBS List v1, #6
September Edition
__________________________________________________________________________
	THE BBS List v1, #6 and THE BBS List Update v1, #6 are now
available in the alt.bbs.lists newsgroup. If you do not have access
to this newsgroup, you may e-mail me at lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu,
and I'll see that a copy gets to you as soon as possible. If you
would like a tab-delimited text file either BinHex'ed or UUencoded,
please e-mail me and request it.
	Highlights of THE BBS List v1, #6:
	214 NEW Phone #'s
	617 Phone #'s Total

	In order to have a BBS (or two) added to the list please e-mail
the following info:

BBS Name:_________________________________ Phone #:________________________
Net Address(es):___________________________________________________________
SysOp(s):_____________________________________________ Max Baud:___________
BBS Software:______________________________________________________________
Main Support:________________________ Secondary:___________________________
Other Info:________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________
Your Name:_________________________________________________________________

	to:

lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu

Thanks for your time!
Sonya Chang
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Wanted - White Supremacist BBS Info
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:05:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I hear persistent references to BBS's run by groups like the
Aryan Nation, etc. and have been curious to check them out.
It's hard to find numbers, though. I finally located a list
on a progressive BBS, but it was over 5 years old. Does
anybody have any current info.

Please Email me, since I don't see this group regularly.

Thanks,
Steve
From: jeffb@terapin.com (Jeffrey Bean)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists
Subject: Another Needy Guy
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:24:32 PST
Organization: BBS

    I'm looking for -ANY- BBS in the Santa Cruz, Ca. area (code 408, I think).

    I'd also like *ANY* BBS # in the Philadelphia area... (code 215)...

thanks... A reply will be much appreciated.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.lists