From: pckyip@athena.mit.edu (Patrick C Yip)
Subject: Fight off the oppressers to our beloved newsgroup creation!! >:)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:17:54 GMT

The title says it, and you know what I'm talking about, don't you? :)

Yeah, this propagantic and "rheotoric" tone is deliberate to make it a
"serious" humor to counterbalance the high temperature of flames :)

As every nice reader of alt.manga knows, we are trying to go formal and "public"
by upgrading the newsgroup to rec.arts.manga. However, there're now some 
"outsider power" who are preying on us to satisfy their "USENET news namespace
hierarchy correctness" ambition. And they're threatening the prospect of
the newsgroup creation with vigorous attacks on the name of the proposed
newsgroup at news.groups, clearly with a view to influence unsuspecting and 
innocent readers to vote NO when the voting comes (because it won't pressure
us to change the name of the group). 

The most noisy "public enemies" are identified here:
1) hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)
	* An occasional rec.arts.comics reader, can post 4-5 posts in one 
  day just to undermine the rec.arts.manga proposal.

2) lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) 
	* who sounds almost as virulent as (1), but post a bit less

BTW it's highly unlikely these two "gentlemen" read manga at all.

Fortunately, we have some brave fighters who are defending our cause with
every effort: Examples are David Blume, Iain Sinclair, Kiong Peng (posting from
Singapore!), Benjamin Wai, and Albert Wang. These heroes should be paid with
our greatest respect! :)

Now the "skirmish" has gone up to 30+ posts in news.groups. We do need 
everybody's support here! The sooner we silence them off, the sooner we
can put to vote and create rec.arts.manga!! The earliest time that a CFV
can be put forward is 21 days after the RFD (which was posted on Apr 2nd).
That means Apr.23rd. If the matter is delayed beyond about 35-40 days after
RFD, we might have to drop the RFD altogether in order to "sort the things
out ourselves". Even if we pushed forward the voting, many readers here 
won't be present to vote in May, right? (but EVERY YES VOTE COUNTS!! especially
with the presence of "foreign oppressors")
And a failure of the vote would means 6 months of "rest" before another RFD
can be put forward again.

Also as I said in a previous post, there's a STRAW POLL after the naming of
the group, organised by    mhigh@vm1.tucc.trinity.edu, who I think reads 
						       alt.manga too?
and DEADLINE is		   April 12th
Just send a message saying "Go for rec.arts.manga!" :) :)
and let those "outsiders" know what we think and what we want! >:]

I know some of you might actually prefer rec.arts.comics.manga (at least
sympathise with the opposition), but you have to know this is a matter of
"live or dead" to the newsgroup. Please unite behind the banner of 
rec.arts.manga. We can then press for the reorganisation of the hierrachy
if there's enough concern later (which I don't think there's though :p)


<<Self-appointed High Priest of the Cult of Urd, Belldandy and Skuld>> :-)

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