HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: re: gun control petition
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: can
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:02:47 EST

 -=> On 12-09-92  22:52, W. A. Simon wrote to All <=-

 WAS> The day someone invented a nuclear weapon, a city (or
 WAS> more) was blown up by an idiot, somewhere, sometimes;
 WAS> we just have not seen it yet (or been told).  Stay tuned.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Where have you been?
 What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
 We should always remember that there is still only one country in
 the world which has ever used nuclear weapons in an act of war.

 WAS> b) guns do not exist for the sole purpose of killing,
 WAS> far less for the sole purpose of killing people.  You
 WAS> are projecting your own defect onto others.  Guns have
 WAS> many uses but, to my mind, their most important role
 WAS> is that of dissuasion (and I don't mean "make my day").
 WAS> But, more to the point, the right to own a gun is what
 WAS> matters, not the gun itself.
 
 They are designed and built to be used. Their use is to kill.
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Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:02:57 GMT

In article <3mRTVB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> 
> - Not only *can* you separate them, there are some very good arguments why
> - you *should* separate them.
> 
>  I argue  for responible government and the God,Quuen and Country tenets
> to come together.
>  In short, /i say let all the people under the God-conttolled domain 
> come together 

Oh I see. Well that counts me out then. 

> and work together for the each ohters benefit, Not as a 
> hierachy, but as first among equals.

Although you still don't say how your minority god controlled government 
will interact with the democratic government that the rest of us use.

> BTW, all you fanatics trying to draft me for the British throne, I nedd 
> a VERY
> GOOD reason for excepting the candidacy otherwise, I will decline.

How about, it is only a temporary job with good pay.

Simon.

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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:16:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec15.160442.11926@fwi.uva.nl> hm@fwi.uva.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
>In <1992Dec12.234429.13224@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>>>I'll bet the *French*-Canadians haven't suffered from this "national
>>>>identity crisis".  
>>>
>>>No, they have their own identity crisis -- they think they are being
>>>persecuted.
>
>>This is true.  Still, IMO, their relations back home certainly
>>had a rather efficient way of ridding themselves of a parasitic
>>monarchy a few centuries ago.
>
>If you think all those revolutions the French staged between 1789
>and 1848 rid them of parasitic monarchies, you're wrong.  The one
>thing that finally worked (in 1871) was getting conquered by Prussia.

OKOK, slamdunked by a net pedant.  Always happens.  How about,
the UK could consider getting rid of the present parasitic
monarchy using the same methods employed in France in 1793.
(rats, and I just sold my shares in the tumbrel manufacturing plant)

And I didn't promise that chopping the heads off the current batch
would necessarily guarantee that the UK would get a better class of
parasitic monarchs.  So there.

>
>>Probably can't be done today, I suppose.
>
>Seeing as Prussia no longer exists, no, it can't be done today.
>Maybe the Canadians could ask the Germans to conquer Canada.

What does Canada have to do with this?  
In any case, since there is no monarch *residing* in Canada, your
advice seems, well, strange.   Also, shouldn't you have picked a 
conquering nation with some sort of monarchy? 
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:08:58 GMT

In article <16DEC92.11509063.0223@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:

>>Complacency is the death of all communities. A good way to protest is to
>>ask for everything in FRENCH ONLY. That should confuse the businessman. If
>>he wants business, he will have to cater to his customers. And that means
>>accomodating the French. Even in Montreal, they have shopkeepers who are
>>completely fluent in French and ready to serve you. Is that too much
>>to ask.
>>
> I agree.  The storekeeper should be trying to satisfy the customer,
> including by speaking the customer's language, whenever possible.
> How do you feel about Anglo-Quebecers doing the same thing?  When
> Reed Scowen suggested that they should ask to be served in English
> in stores, he was denounced, not only in the French media, but also
> in the Gazette.

I admire Reed Scowen very much. He is NOT going to leave Quebec because
Quebec is his home, and he is NOT going to give up the English language
because more people speak French than speak English. If anything, this
country needs more militancy from all corners. Reed Scowen is the new
face of English Quebec. No more the quiet accepting type you usually
find in the (federally funded... ugh) Alliance Quebec, but someone who
actually goes out and fights for what he believes in.

(that being said, I do NOT endorse everythihg he says, just his attitude)

> Tom Box
> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Xref: sparky can.politics:10664 soc.culture.british:17346 soc.culture.australian:5108
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:11:44 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
 <y4BmVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>

In article <y4BmVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Dave Shariff Yadallee) says:
>
>Just to follow up, I would love to say this:
>
>congratulaions British media for blowing this out of proportion.  If you want
>to be masters of Britain, come out and say so, otherwise QUIT MAKING BLOOD
>MONEY FROM THE MISERABLE.  This should have NEVER made the papers!!  The media
>in hunt hunt for greed, money and blowing things out of proportion have REALLY
>OVERSTEPPED THEIR BOUNDARIES THIS TIME!

>
>Murdochism for you !!

NO wonder the state of the world atlas lists Albertans as an official minority
)                                                                           :)
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:35:20 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 905

From article <Bz1rBs.JGG@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
> 
> In every places in the world, newcomers have less rights that persons
> already in place.  In every kind of society, this is true.  A new
> lawyer, a new doctor, a new engineer, a new religious, each have to
> follow the rules of the congregation/school/court house etc. where 
> s/he gets in.  In no place does a newcomer _more_ rights than someone
> already there.  In absolutely no place.
> 

"He did it first!"

"He's doin' it too!"

"Why is everybody always pickin' on me?"

"He started it!"

:-(

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
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  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:38:36 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

duquet@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Jean-Remi Duquet) writes:

> It's nice to see some constructive comments once in a while. 
> Unfortunately, I don't think this would do any good. First, you
> will probably agree that increasing funding ONLY to french
> universities would be seen as another oppressive and "racist"
> measure against anglo quebecers. I wouldn't like it in any case,
> and McGill and Concordia students would not appreciate either.
> 
> But more to the point, I don't think this kind of (Reagan-like ?) 
> "trickle-down" strategy would not have much effect at the level of primairy 
> schools. Cheap university will only encourage more people to go to 
> french universities, where most books are in English anyway. (you can also
> write your thesis in English if you want). The only thing you'd need is a
> "functional" understanding of french so you can communicate with your
> teachers and answer exam questions (except of course in education, translatio
> literature...). 
> 

     Well, it sounds like the Quebecois are finally learning the lesson 
of most western democracies, which is that the various minorities are 
going to demand their rights, and may well not care whether they learn 
the majority language.  That's part and parcel of running a country; 
you're going to have competing demands that you can either meet or not.  
If you choose not to, people are going to bitch.  I'd say you'd better 
get used to it if you want to seceed; cause sure as hell, it'll get worse 
if you're on your own.  You cannot force people to do or be something 
they are opposed to; but they can certainly put pressure on the 
government to consider their needs, wants and desires.  Consider it 
enough, and you might find out what Ottawa deals with on a daily basis.

-Bob

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Newsgroups: can.politics
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: No Senate Elections
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:31:31 GMT

scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:

>In article <18548@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes:
>>Jeez, what a spiteful little snot Mulroney is.  Accepting Alberta's elected
>>senator was fine when he wanted Alberta's support for his constitutional
>>deal, but now that Alberta didn't support him, accepting the Alberta voter's
>>choice isn't acceptable anymore.  He sounds like a little brat who's taking
>>his ball home because the goalie blocked his shot at the goal.

>No, not at all.  Albertans rejected the Accord which would have allowed
>elections.  What would Albertans say if Mulroney gave Quebec 25% guarantee
>anyway, "even though Quebecers voted no on the deal".

I'm sure Mulroney *would* give Quebec a 25% guarantee if he could get
away with it, but he can't. It would make no difference anyway, Quebec
already has 25% of the Commons seats -- of course the CA would have
given them almost 28%.

It is within Mulroney's power to appoint democratically elected
Senators from Provinces that wish to go to the expense of holding
elections.

But, as Nick pointed out, Mulroney is "a spiteful little snot"

There is one *good* thing about Mulroney appointing new Senators
despite most Canadians dislike of an undemocratic third-world-like
upper house -- it signals the end of his political career just the way
it signalled Pierre Trudeau's/John Turner's in 1984.

Mulroney will appoint some buddies to the trough and take a walk in the
snow to contemplate his future and resign after acknowledging that he
and the Tories would do a "Hatfield" if he stayed.


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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:47:09 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

- In article <1992Dec15.152935.20592@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com
- (Dave Jones) says:
- >
- >Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
- >> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >>
- >> - As a politics major, I am well aware of the structures involved.
- >>
- >>   Wher have I heard that one before.  My dear fellow, you are addressing a
- >> Policy Director for Liberal Party Consitutency Associations!
-
- Why am I not impressed? I've been in local constituency associations too,the
- policy director is where people can do the least harm, that's why they put yo
- there:)
- . So you write resolutions that are ignored by caucus, regardless of whether
- they pass or fail. believe me , it's nothing to boast about:)
-
- It's a make work position, riding associations, especially in the Liberal par
- exist only to keep the drones busy between elections. They will be humoured b
- central office, but no matter how many resolutions are passed and at what
- level they are passed at, the only thing that matters is what the party brass
- and more specifically caucus and their advisors think.
-
- >> -
- >Best news the Tories and NDP have had all week.....
- >
- >--
- >||------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |

Pessimistics and Political Scientists.  A dangerous mix if you get BOTH
together.  No wonderthe British-based Parliamentary is having porblems these
days.  Detectors without a cause.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow)
Subject: No Senate Elections
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:31:01 GMT

Jeez, what a spiteful little snot Mulroney is.  Accepting Alberta's elected
senator was fine when he wanted Alberta's support for his constitutional
deal, but now that Alberta didn't support him, accepting the Alberta voter's
choice isn't acceptable anymore.  He sounds like a little brat who's taking
his ball home because the goalie blocked his shot at the goal.

Is the new insistence on the old senate selection system the political
version of "work to rule"?

Actually, his stance on this might be good for Canada.  The more people who
see him as a jerk, the better.  :)

--

Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: do we really need (the stupid monarchy thread)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.135044.27933@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
> 
> I would like to add that I do sincerely believe that M. LaRocque is not
> a racist!
> 
what is that supposed to mean?

> I also do sincerely believe that black is not a shade of grey!

great, he's a real comedian today......
> 
> 
> -- 
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>   ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>   ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>   |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: test
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: global
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:45:48 GMT

-- 
John P. LaRocque
skywalker@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:59:39 GMT

In article <PRBoVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> Rosemary Waigh, I said God, Queen and country, NOT JUST God and Queen!! you can
> not seperate 2 from the 3rd element.  In other words, these are mutually
> INCLUSIVE!

Not only *can* you separate them, there are some very good arguments why 
you *should* separate them.

Simon.

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Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:27:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.103225.2302@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>In article <u8FXVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>   I furthur arge that the people show, based on a value system, should keep the
>> government in check.
>
>Shurely, as well asthat, it shold only be people. govenrments should not,
>no circonstunces, be allwed to do it.

>Marks out of 10 anyone?

No, this isn't proper Yadallean -- it's just badly typed English.  Yadallean
uses English words (mostly) but has a syntax and semantics of its own.
Try reading the canonical Yadallean posting that Sue Miller pointed out
a little while ago.

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Xref: sparky can.politics:10775 soc.culture.british:17557 soc.culture.australian:5142
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:04:26 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
 <1992Dec15.152935.20592@pixel.kodak.com>

In article <1992Dec15.152935.20592@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com
(Dave Jones) says:
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
>> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>
>> - As a politics major, I am well aware of the structures involved.
>>
>>   Wher have I heard that one before.  My dear fellow, you are addressing a
>> Policy Director for Liberal Party Consitutency Associations!

Why am I not impressed? I've been in local constituency associations too,the
policy director is where people can do the least harm, that's why they put you
there:)
. So you write resolutions that are ignored by caucus, regardless of whether
they pass or fail. believe me , it's nothing to boast about:)

It's a make work position, riding associations, especially in the Liberal party
exist only to keep the drones busy between elections. They will be humoured by
central office, but no matter how many resolutions are passed and at what
level they are passed at, the only thing that matters is what the party brass
and more specifically caucus and their advisors think.

>> -
>Best news the Tories and NDP have had all week.....
>
>--
>||------------------------------------------------------------------------
>||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:43:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.211830.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

John LaRocque ecrit:
> and utter control of Quebec? And now people complain because someone had
> the BALLS to say "Nous sont Quebecois" and "Maitres chez nous".
 

John LaRocque repond: je profondement m'excuse - Nous SOMMES Quebecois

>> Eye for eye?  My ass.  
> 
> oiiiiiiiy , mon oiel!

OYOYOYOYOYOYOYOYOY!!!!!!!


>> -- 
>>   \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>>  /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
>> J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
>> \_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
> -- 
> 
> John P. LaRocque
> vader@uwo.ca
> University of Western Ontario
> London, Ontario
> 
> 
> "Urk..urk..."
> "Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: jsmith@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (John Smith)
Subject: gov. general
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:40:56 GMT

Could someone tell me the names of the following Canadian representatives:
Governor General
Leader of Opposition (Liberal)
Leader of NDP
Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario
Leaders of the opposition parties in Ontario
 
 
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada