From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: Its gay bashing IMO/ was IMPOSTER ABUSING MY ACCOUNT!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:08:58 GMT
Organization:  Boogie Rats on Speed

gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes: 
>>>>gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>>>>>     It is one thing to have someone overtake your computer account, and
>>>>>subject you to an e-mail overload, or be the object of a barrage of 
>>>>>complaints logged against you when someone forged a letter under your 
>>>>>name, but what is so heinous about being labeled as GAY?
>
>>I think that Gary blew the situation way out of proportion, and that was what 
>>I was protesting. The statement "I'm as straight as it gets" is a far cry 
>>from "I'm not one of those stinking faggots!". I don't even think it's in the 
>>same league. As I see it, he has stated that he has no interest whatsoever in 
>>a homosexual relationship, and what is wrong with that? If I posted saying 
>>that I had no interest in a lesbian relationship, does that make me a 
>>gay-basher? Not hardly!
>
>     Who gave people the permission to speak for someone else?

Nobody in particular. I was voicing my opinion of what the situation was from
my perspective. I don't recall ever stating otherwise, or that I spoke for
the original poster.

>     Where is Jason's voice, in response to my statement of being irritated by
>the WAY in which he apprised the readers of a hoax that was perpetrated against
>him.  

He's most likely forgotten about this whole thing...

>     I have never condoned phony postings, hijacking of computer accounts, or
>the consumation of a hoax.  And when they occur, as in this case, I sit back an
>hear Emily Latella's voice (character from SATURDAY NIGHT LIGHT played by Gilda
>Radner) say to us all "Oh, Never Mind"!  I and do not hold anything against the
>person who was the butt of the electronic pranksters.

Nobody that I saw said that you did. Your quarrell, as I recall, was always 
with the wording of the rebuttal. Therein lies the disagreement.

>     On the other hand, I certainly appreciate being informed by people when a
>breech of computer privacy/pranksterism has occured & been stopped.  But what I
>objected to was the gratutitous statement included in Jason's posting about the
>fictitious posting of a personal ad over his name.

Gratuitous? I don't agree (but you already know that..:)). It gave the reader
some point of reference for the rebuttal, and staved off any further mail
(which it's almost guaranteed he got) from homosexuals and people flaming him.

>     Did Jason, or any other poster to Alt.pers.Ads have a gun put to their 
>head, with the instructions "you have 2 nanoseconds to post an explanation of 
>your earlier posting?"

No guns here except for mine, and if anyone other than me touches it, they 
would lose fingers...:)

>     The fact that people TOOK THE TIME to compose their thoughts, before
>posting it to an audience of tens-of-thousands says something TO ME when I read
>words which INFLAME readers, instead of DEFUSING a problematic situation.

Near as I can tell they inflamed *you* and a couple other people I have gotten
mail from. You seem determined to hang Jason in his absence, as I'm reasonably
certain he is gone, and it would seem to me that if for *no* other reason than
you were stirring up muck, your post would have been better suited to email
directed to Jason. The likelyhood that he would answer you here is pretty 
small, and I think you knew that, and tried to turn his rebuttal into more
than it really was.

>     (Though I may have lost track of the thread) why didn't Jason Patrick
>Affourtit simply post an explanation saying something like "someone busted into
>my account... and posted a personal ad that does not reflect my preferences in
>a partner...I don't mean to slight anyone, but the preferences listed in the ad
>do not reflect my personal taste..."

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF POSTING ON THE FLY!!!

I think he had most likely just read some mail from some joker asking if he 
liked having ben wa balls shoved up his ass, after a friend informed him that 
someone had posted an article in a.p saying he was gay and looking for a gay
lover or some such, and he posted without putting much thought into what he
had to say because he was rattled. As I said in my original response, I 
thought he could perhaps have been more diplomatic, but I didn't really see 
anything wrong with his post.

>     There never is a need to say:
> 
>           "I really didn't find it terribly amusing, 
>            considering I'm about as straight as
>            it gets"
>
>     In my book, Jason's statement about his straightness is more like 
>"straight and narrow" as in narrow minded!

I think we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

>P.S.  I still stand by my original comment,
>      What is so heinous about being labeled as GAY 
>      by someone who has never met you, but only saw
>      your name on e-mail!

It's not heinous...just childish.

>P.P.S.  Can anyone who is heterosexual PROVE in a court of
>        law that they are heterosexual?

Dunno...that depends greatly on the Blacks (no, not negroes, it's a legal
dictionary, kids) definition of heterosexuality.

>Gary Klein

Tyger

PS: What are Darkmoore and ARCANE's opinion on this whole thing? They would
    have been the intended target of any gay-bashing intended by Jason's
    post.

PPS: It's the presence of people such as ARCANE and Darkmoore that makes
     a.p so great. They would most likely have been teased off of my old
     home, alt.romance.chat, for not fitting in.

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                            But you can make decisions too
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