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From: SHALEV@HUJIVMS.BITNET (Michael Shalev)
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Subject: Attention Network Users!
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:23:00 GMT
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Since not a few of the interventions on this list are (usually pleasantly)
unrelated directly to NB stuff, I venture to exploit your good fellowship
with a rather general query about the uses and abuses of working on LANs
in a university environment. I urge anyone who has already had this experience
to read on, and share their thoughts with me. Unless you feel the subject
is of general interest, please write directly to me at SHALEV@HUJIVMS
(add .bitnet if you're at an Internet-only site). I could post a summary of
what I receive at a later date.
Now, to the point of all this. Our very conservative university, in which
computing has long been held in a stranglehold by heavy mainframe users in
the "exact" sciences, has finally undertaken to equip the Social Science
Faculty with an ethernet network (although we shall all have to pay
non-trivial hookup and annual usage fees for the pleasure!). The network
will offer two kinds of access, independent of one another: the possibility
of using software and copying files to and from a Novell server; and a TCP
connection that will allow us to use Telnet and FTP on other sites (including
library catalogs and, when it buys the hardware, a CD-Rom server in our
own library). [Fellow political economists note: although this technology
COULD allow us to establish personal Internet addresses on the server, we
will be obliged to keep doing e-mail via the existing mainframes. Wonder
why...]
My own interest in what we do with these new facilities is not only personal
(how will it make my life easier and better; or worse?). I am the chair of
the faculty's Computing Committee, which is responsible for making grants
to departments to aid in the purcahse of hardware and software. I want to
develop a Marshall Plan that will encourage departments to exploit the
potential of the ethernet infrastructure to the maximum. In your experience,
what should be the top priorities?
In addition, any pitfalls and useful tips regarding putting our NB4 onto
the server (assuming it becomes real-live-ware here some day) would be
much appreciated.
Thanks a lot.   ...Michael
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:10:33 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Re: 4.0 and its documentation
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>From: Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO%FAUVAX.BITNET@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu>

>On 4.0 itself: The new menus are weird. The business of having F1
>always bring up the menu you were last using is unlike behavior on
>most other systems I've seen.

The help menu interface can be changed via set-other-help.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:24:19 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Phonetic characters on Lingua
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My Lingua did not have the International Phonetic Association
character set, though I understood that it was supposed to have
it. Someone said earlier, I believe, that they could get it on
screen, but I have not been able to get it. Let me back up a bit.
When I installed NBLINGUA, it did not copy an IPA font file into
the subdirectory into which it copy files for my Toshiba and the
HP Laser format.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
From: WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET (Jerry Walsh)
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Subject: Re: misc
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:31:43 GMT
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Itamar --
   My interest in having Lingua support Courier is less in being able to
mix Courier and Hebrew as it is in being able to get extended diacrits
in Courier.  I usually write for journals and such that expect translit-
eration rather than Hebrew typeface.  And some of them prefer submissions
in monospace fonts.  Unless Lingua supports a fixed-width font, I have to
handwrite in macrons, breves, underdots, ayins, alephs, etc. etc.
                                                  Jerry
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From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NB4.0 & Stacker
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Another useful program I have found is DIET, available from SIMTEL.
DIET can compress executables like PKLITE and what's more can compress
data files then run as a TSR to decompress.  Kinda like a selective stacker.

You can use DIET to compress selected executables (those with no overlays)
and most data files. Unlike Stacker problems would be limited to particular
files and programs (e.g. PCO doesn't like it's outlines dieted) and you
don't have to worry about losing a whole hard disks worth of data because
one bit flipped.

Rob Rittenhouse

PS: I've never tried to compress Notabene--figured that would be playing
with fire.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:18:32 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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              12 Oct 92 15:48:03 PDT from <boardman@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>

Re: Questions about using Ibid in NB 4.0 and NBLINGUA

I have been using Ibid in both 4.0 and NBLINGUA. I recommend
to all NBLINGUA users to keep a copy of the NB.COM file produced
during the initial installation of NB BEFORE they go over
to installing LINGUA. That copy should be renamed, then
used to load, when necessary, the monolingual version
of NB 4.0. I am sure that many users do not need ALL THE TIME
to have access to Greek, Slavonic, hacheks, Russian, Hebrew...
It is more comfortable to work with the monolingual display,
and the program is 'lighter'.

In addition, I keep working with 3.1. The NBLINGUA Hebrew,
even with my keyboard and screen fonts, is still inferior
(except for vocalization) to the Hebrew of 3.0 and 3.1.
SLS users are justifiedly delighted with the 4.0 improvements,
but our version of NB, since 3.0, have been far more advanced
than SLS. (By the way, there are still many bugs in NBLINGUA Hebrew,
but this is a matter for another report.)

When I worked with NBLINGUA + Ibid., then generated a bibliography
in 3.1, I saw all of a sudden graphic characters instead of
the regular ASCII accented characters in the output. I checked
the file with LIST, and realized that the accented letters have
been expanded to 3-bytes combinations (ASCII 255+character+character),
the NBLINGUA solution for multilingual signs. I then had to reload
NBLINGUA, call the *.DAT files, and store them one by one with the /x
switch. This procedure restored the original accented characters
instead of their 3-bytes combos. I then added DAT to the list of
exception extensions in my NBCUSTOM.SET (the line beginning with
NBXL=).

However, if you work in Ibid with NB 4.0, there is no expansion,
and the accented characters are stored as plain ASCII.

As for Hebrew, Greek etc., we could do quite a lot of Ibid databasing
for Hebrew material at Porter Institute. There was no way to
BROWSE the database, nor was it possible to generate a regular
bibliography; but generating a bibliography with a home made
FOR file, or looking for an item in the database, worked
quite acceptably. I was hoping for improvements with NBLINGUA,
but this has not taken place yet.

In short, if you are a NBLINGUA heavy user, (1) do not erase
your 3.1/3.0 yet from your disk. This version is not fully
debugged; (2) Keep the original 4.0 NB.COM, to be used any time
you do not need multilingual writing.

NB 4.0 Ibid uses somewhat different files for generating
bibs, templates, etc. These files can co-exist with the previous
version, because they don't use the previous version's files.
This way, you can go on working in Ibid in either one.
However, I have found several features to work better in
my NB 4.0 version: the new bibliographical format (#8) works
faultlessly in NB 4.0, and so does the 'maintenance' procedure,
which was quite shaky on my 3.1.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:36:27 IST
From:         LANGJVM@EMUVM1
Subject:      font problem
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 I wonder if anyone else has encountered this problem and found a solution to
 it. I have installed 4.0, and I am using the HP Deskjet 500 printer.
 Fortunately, I am not using Lingua, so I'm spared some problems, but I do have
 a problem with "normal" printing. The new program provides three fonts:
 Courier, CG Times, and Letter Gothic, all in various sizes. All of them work
 fine, except that the 12-point Letter Gothic, in normal or underlined modes,
 will only print halfway across the page. In the other modes (bold, bold
 underlined, italic and bold italic) it prints normally, across the whole page.
 In the two problem modes the ruler line at the top of the screen compacts, as
 though it recognized a very small type face. The printed type is the size it
 should be, but it prints out as if the right margin were at the middle of the
 page.

 I would be very happy to hear from anyone who has the answer to this problem,
 since I like to use the 12-point Letter Gothic font.

 Jim McMahon, Emory University
From: ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU (Kenneth Salzberg)
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Subject: Arrival
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:24:29 GMT
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Well, the snow is due here tomorrow night, and as I was sitting at
my computer reading my mail, the Big Brown Truck pulled up, and
->delivered my 4.0<- so it's here.  You (all) are the first to
know.  Now to see if it will install, and run as hoped.  More
later.
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:32:15 -0600
From:         "GARY D. COLLIER" <gcollier@DIANA.CAIR.DU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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Re:  Printers

I presently have a Deskjet plus.  Based on comments on this list,
it appears that I may have trouble for some time to come using
Lingua with this printer.  I think I'll buy a new printer.
Is there such a thing as a "dream" printer for the NB4, Lingua,
Ibid, etc, etc, program?  Thanks.
Gary D. Collier
gcollier@diana.cair.du.edu
From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
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Subject: Re: Quick switching
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:50:04 GMT
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              16 Oct 92 09:33:21 CDT from <robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU>

Robin,

As you know, the expression emerged from a probably wrong
division of the phrase. It should read: 'qol qore: ba midbar
pannu derek...' (a voice calls: in the desert open up a way...).
But, as our learned ancestors said in Aramaic, "shabbeshta
kevan de 'al -- 'al" (since a mistake has taken hold, it holds).
So in modern Hebrew, the expression exists, too.

(By the way, there are many semi-jokes, like: "enayim lahem ve lo yir'u
oznayim..." rather than "enayim lahem ve lo yir'u/ oznayim..."
['they have eyes yet do not see ears', instad of 'they have eyes
yet do not see / ears, yet do not hear']

So, am I calling in the deserts to people whose eyes do not see
ears? (The solution of this riddle is DF [deaf?] / NBI [eye?]).


Itamar
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:34:29 EDT
From:         "Patrick W. Hamlett" <PWHMDS@NCSUVM>
Subject:      NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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These programs arrived 10/9/92 in Raleigh NC!!! Installation was no
problem, although I continually get a "abnormal program termination"
and "unable to complete bibliography" message whenever I try to
generate a bib with this version of Ibid....
P.W. Hamlett, NCSU
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:39:09 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Orbis problems
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              10 Oct 92 18:28:36 PDT from <dc@WOOF.MUSIC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

Re: Orbis and recognition of accented characters

Orbis does not recognize accented charactaers written by previous
versions of Nota Bene, if run in NBLINGUA mode. The reason is that
accented characters in NBLINGUA are combinations of 3 (three) bytes:
ASCII 255+2 other characters. When you look for such a combination,
no wonder you do not find it...

(The 3 bytes combinations, however ingenuous, are a source of MANY
troubles. This is what happens when you use a complicated solution
for a problem: you solve one problem, but you create two new ones.)

However, if you run NB 4.0 in monolingual mode, i.e., if you load
the regular NB 4.0 version (non-lingua), then Orbis WILL find all
accented characters.

If you do not have to use NBLINGUA when working with Orbis, go
over to using 4.0 monolingual. If you have already installed
NBLINGUA, you must install one more copy of NB 4.0, in a
separate subdirectory, in order to produce NB.COM. Copy this
file to your NB 4.0 subdirectory UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME, then
write a batch file which will allow loading one the NB 4.0
either via NBlingua NB.COM, or via 4.0 NB.COM (use any switch
you like). (No need to keep the extra version on disk; erase the
temporary subdirectory after you have copied NB.COM under a new
name to your NB 4.0 subdirectory.)

I have not tested how Orbis treats accented charcaters created
by NBlingua itself. But if such characters will be recognized,
the complications will only grow... (NB will have to devise
some procedures to recognize all of these combinations.)

It is a pity that NBI never accepted my requests to make it
possible to go back and forth between monolingual and multilingual
environment. Evidently, they were afraid of 'complicating
matters for the regular user'. But the reality is the very
opposite: we now have to use such a clumsy method as having
2 different versions of NB.COM, and load NB in only one or the
other mode.

By the way: is there a way to copy the found items in Orbis
to a file?


Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 20:46:24 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Problems with nb4 and Lingua printing
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Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:

> During installation of Lingua I was told that the program could not find a
> file named nbl_hp2.nb.  Now when I type in Cyrillic and Hebrew, I cannot get
> my HP-IIP to print in either language.  I have installed and reinstalled the
> printer (but not the Microsoft cartridge - that is what I was trying to do
> when I got the missing file message).  Any suggestions?

The nbl_hp2.nb archive is the collection of larger and smaller fonts
(8 and 14 point) that are available but not required to run Lingua.
The archive is located on the second 3.5" Lingua diskette, or the
third 5.25" Lingua diskette (if you ordered the Font Completer
option).  If you don't have it you can't print in 8 or 14 point Lingua
fonts, but you should be able to print in 10 and 12 point fonts.

Make sure that either your defaults or format deltas in your document
specify FF5 and either PT10 or PT12.  If the rest of the fonts are
present on your system and you have activated the printer driver
(either by choosing activate installed printer or making the Lingua
driver the default with F2) then the Lingua fonts should print fine.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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red/blue line is not yet operative.  Sad from my point of
view.  This is confirmed by NBI.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:39:55 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: misc
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On Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:30:37 EDT Jerry Walsh said:
>
>Which leads to the dubious discovery:  SWITCHING MULTI to MONO-LINGUAL.
>I seem to remember someone asking a week or so ago if it was possible
>to switch between Lingua and monolingual mode easily.  I think the
>answer is yes:  F1 => Set => Symbol sets     offers you a menu of four
>options.  The first is NBLingua, the second is ASCII (a vanilla form),
>the third is ASCII with true italics, the fourth is ASCII with super-
>scripts.  (These options refer to screen fonts.)  I've had fun playing
>with these, because you can set up the color palettes and print mode,
>window, and block colors differently for each option.  (If it's puce,
>it must be Lingua|)
>

Jerry,

I tested this "dubious switching", and have found it dubious indeed.
It was easy to get to ASCII (NB 4.0, monolingual) mode, but when I
wanted to switch back to LINGUA, I was required to INSTALL this
module. I said: no, thank you. Since I kept my
two NB.COM files (one for mono, and the other for multi) safe
in another subdirectory, I quitted, copied these files back to my
NB 4.0 subdirectory, and could now relaod NBLINGUA without
re-installing. Have you been more successful in going back and
forth?

I would like to repeat that switching quickly between mono-, and
bi-lingual mode (I mean such combinations as Roman+Hebrew), should
have been a built-in feature of 4.0. It was one in 3.0! I've
been writing obsessively to Steve Siebert about this, but my
voice was a voice calling in the desert ('qol qore ba midbar').

If many of you agree with my request, would it not be more
effective if many of us would have expressed this wish to the
heavy-hearted NBI?

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:26:07 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: problems with nb4
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Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:

> ... Oh, and by the way, the
> installation does prompt me for nbl_hp2.nb on lingua disk 3, something I
> don't have.  What is going on here?  I am furious with this whole process.

Installation will only prompt you for nbl_hp2.nb on Lingua disk 3 if
you have chosen the option to install 8 and 14 point Lingua fonts from
the install screen (Additional H-P Fonts: 8 & 14 point fonts...400K).
If you haven't purchased the Font Completer package, don't try to
install 8 and 14 point fonts--the installation program can't install
something you haven't bought!

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:02:00 EST
From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re:4.0 and its documentation
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Mark D. Szuchman (glad you made it through Hurricane Andrew, Mark) comments:
>Rob Rittenhouse is right on the accessing of the menu item thru the ALT-key
>comibnation.  Thus, ALT-E drops down the Edit item, ALT-S the Set item, and so
>on.

However, the ALT-KEY combinations only drop down menu items for me when the
menu line is already on the screen (F1). CUA would have them drop
down if I pressed the ALT KEY combination while editing. CUA would
also have the menu line continually visible.

Probably a relatively small change for NBI to make that would add to
NB's approachability for novices.

Of course, CUA type menus don't work right in Wordperfect 5.1 either.

I did find the settings for changing menu behavior my other respondent
pointed out. Thanks.

Rob Rittenhouse
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 20:34:37 PDT
From:         Dieter Christensen <dc@WOOF.MUSIC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      installation on Stacker compressed drives
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JERRY WALSH ASKS ABOUT INSTALLATION ON STACKER COMPRESSED DRIVES:


I have both  NB3.0 and  NB4.0 on one and the same stackered drive, in different
 subdirectories, of course. No problems so far that I think have anything to do
 with Stacker.
I am having problems with Orbis on which I shall report shortly, but I don't
 think they relate to Stacker, either. Good luck.
Dieter Christensen




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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      NB 4.0
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From: Allan Needell

Another copy of NB4+ORBIS+IBID has arrived at the Smithsonian (as a word
processor not as an artifact). This one was ordered just a month ago by a
colleague who had been using NB 3.1 for some time and was about to start using
Textbase. I suggested that the new ORBIS might prove ultimately to be more
flexible and (having some money left in a grant) he decided to give the
upgrade a try.

It may be that because I have IBID+ on order, I am at the end of the list.
That's the most charitable explanation, and the one I'll assume for a few more
days. According to the halting recording at the other end of NBI's 800 number,
the last of the upgrades will be out the door by tomorrow night.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:27:00 EDT
From:         Peter MacDonald <PMACDON@UNC>
Subject:      NB4 Install. & DRDOS 6.0
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I'm relieved to say that I have gotten NB4 installed on my
286 with DRDOS 6.0 running Superstore on 2 hard disks.

The problem was not having c:nb4 in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file.
The odd thing is that as a test I had installed NB4 at work on
a 286 without adding anything to the AUTOEXEC.BAT file manually.
At home I had to do it BEFORE installing NB4.  Numerous
attempts to install it had all been unsuccessful.

Oh well. just so it works.

Peter
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Davis Library
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
pmacdon@unc.bitnet
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