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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Micing a grand piano
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:32:27 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <3132@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> phil@mpd.tandem.com 
(Phil Webster) writes:
>I have recently observed several situations where a grand piano has
>been mic'ed using a boom microphone stand and positioning the mic
>over the center of the soundboard.  The piano lid was at the "half
>mast" setting, rather than fully open.
>I this the recommended position for either recording or performance
>situations?

I am sure that others will disagree with this but This is just one of
the ways to do it.

I have not done it this way I have used a couple of other ways:

1.  Stereo mic array over the hammers and a "low" mic near the end,
at the side pointing at the strings.  Lid full up.
2.  One mic at the same position for the low end and just one mic at
the hammer end.
3.  Two PZM's taped to the lid, one over the hammers and one near the
end.
4.  Distance mic'ed.

The first three work fine for a layerd mix.  The last works best in a
piano concert situation.  The lid up or doun willbe influenced by the
concert settind as well as the type of music being presented.

I have heard of people micing the piano from under the sound board.

It depends a lot on what you are doing and the piano.

FYI for a upright I have done it two ways:

1. PZM('s) inside.

2. A mic or two on the sound board.

I have used dynamics and electrets and I like both kinds.  I have to
choose the mic for the situation as well as the piano.

>Also, which model/manufacturer of microphone is best for this?  Are
>condenser mics better than dynamic mics in this situation?
>
>Phil Webster
>  Internet: phil@mpd.tandem.com   Pony Express: Tandem Computers
>  Guardian: webster_phil@austin                 14231 Tandem Blvd.
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-- 
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chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: Marshall JCM 900?
Originator: npstewar@c00722-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:26:16 GMT


I kind of liked the A channel of the JCM 900's.  All that I've played were the
Dual Reverb versions.  The other versions I think have a shade more gain than
the dual reverbs.  The B  channel is a little to much fuzz factor for me, but
this amp designed without consulting me one time :-) But to be fair it wasn't
marketed to me either.

The A channel cranked up (preamp wise) actually sounds a lot like a JCM 800
master volume amp.  The higher gain channel sounds too noisy and compressed and
doesn't have much dynamic response IMO, but I usually think all high gain amps
sound that way.  The amp rated fairly good on tone factor (As long as I put the
A gain on 8 and the B gain fairly low) but it didn't fair so well on the feel
factor scale IMO.  This could easily have turned around with cranking the master
up but this was in a crowded store. 

If you're a metalhead, disregard everything I said about compression and tone,
especially of the B channel. My best friend is a Van Halenite of the worst kind,
and he liked the amp more than I did. (Which is what they had in mind when they
designed this amp.)

npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu
Nathan Stewart
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May)
Subject: Re: Rocktron Intellifex
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:46:57 GMT

In article <9235506.27045@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jimt@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Jim Trivellas) writes:

>The Intellifex is a high performance unit that has 8-voice chorusing, 
>digital HUSH noise reduction, pitch shifting, various delays and reverbs, and
>the very useful feature of delay/reverb ducking (previously available only
>on the TC 2290 I think).

Ok, what is delay/reverb ducking and why is it so very useful?
--
Tom
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From: gpr@midiline.la.ca.us (Gary Richardi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Info/Opinions about Roland GR50 or GR1 Guitar synth:
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:35:01 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

dcousins@bbn.com (Dave Cousins) writes:

> Looking to upgrade from a Kramer Pitchrider II,
> 
> Can either of these:
> 
> edit/download patches via MIDI, (have a midi in).
> 
> Have built in chorus and or delay (max delay >= 1 sec).
> 
> have drum machine /accompanyment sequencer.
> 
> Accept continuous controller inputs. 
> 
> These are just general questions, any overall impressions/likes/dislikes
> are also welcome.
> 
> Dave Cousins
> reply via email

I have a GR50 and it can up/download MIDI sysex. There is some limited 
DSP available for the internal sounds, all reverbs. It doesn't have a 
built-in sequencer but I believe the GR1 does. It will accept continuous 
controller info.                          ---- Gary ----


-----
gpr@midiline.la.ca.us (Gary Richardi) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: rons@quads.uchicago.edu (Josh Ronsen)
Subject: Re: 4-Tracks
Reply-To: rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:41:17 GMT


I have recently (last week) a Tascam Porta-03 (?) (Bottom of the line)
4-track new for $189. This kind of miffs me as I spent $250 in one a
few years back. For the money, it's not to bad, but not that I have
grown used to it I wish I had spent more money on something a little
snazzier.  The Porta-03 has no eq, but does have dolby, and level and
LR controls for all four tracks, but one can only record up to two
tracks at a time (or record the two inputs onto the same track).  The
sound quality is ok, and I really haven't noticed any sound
degregation after mixing things down two times.

	Hope this helps.

	For any further questions, feel free to ask.

	-Josh Ronsen
	rons@midway.uchicago.edu
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: PG-1000 programmer for D-50 for sale
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:48:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For Sale
--------
PG-1000 programmer for Roland D-50
This is the slider box you use to create new sounds with ease.

Asking: $70 (shipping not included)
From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam Mirowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: What's your opinion of Yamaha TG100
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:45:35 GMT
Organization: Chorus systemes, St Quentin en Yvelines, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:
: In article <1415@chorus.chorus.fr> mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam MIROWSKI) writes:
: >It doesn't have chorus.
: 
: yeah, this is one of the limitations.  ...but *is* this part of the
: General MIDI spec?  *has* the GM spec been defined yet, or is it still
: in the 'late design' stage?  ...but the TG100 will let you 'detune'
: voices to get a chorus effect but these will be in Voice Numbers
: 129-196 and *not* in the General MIDI postitions.

Having chorus is good, even if it isn't
in the GM spec, especially if the organ
samples are a bit short...

I don't have the impression the SC is able
to detune voice components beyond what is
preset. I don't remember having seen a sysex
message that acts on only one partial of a
voice.

BTW, how do you access voices above 128?
I would like to support this method is a
generalized music file processing tool I am
working on.

: >It isn't GS compatible and won't understand Sound Canvas/GS
: >sysexes embedded in sequences.
: 
: ...*what* do you mean by this (the term 'GS compatible)?  The TG100
: will most definately play correctly (except for chorus messages) all
: of the SC demos that I got by FTP.  The TG100 is Yamaha's General MIDI
: box.  

GS =  a set of sysexes (for doing anything) and also
a set of Non Registered Parameter Numbers (for setting
envelope and filter parameters), plus a set of normal
controllers, but I ignore which are for GS specifically.

: as above, one disadvantage is that the General MIDI voices can't be
: edited.  You have to copy the voice to slots 129-196 and edit them
: there.  The polyphony *seems* better but some of the voices use two
: elements which will cut down on 'effective' polyphony, but this seems
: to be less of a problem (ie the SC does this more often).

On the Sound Canvas, you cannot edit voices at all!
But you can change the parameters of a part while
the voice is in. Putting a different patch into each
part, then putting several parts on the same channel
and disabling program change reception, one can
achieve voice layering, quite like a JV-80 does.

: The voices sound a *little* poorer than a SC.

Which doesn't already sound very rich...

: Most are about equal.
: but since a TG100 is about 2/3 the price of a SC, a few price-cutting
: areas are below that of a SC.  I find it useful for what I'm using it
: for:  a small, inexpencive box that travels with my laptop (which is
: running Cakewalk) for tweeking things while away from the studio.
 
-- 
Adam Mirowski,  mir@chorus.fr (FRANCE),  tel. +33 (1) 30-64-82-00 or 74
Chorus systemes, 6, av.Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines CEDEX
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Enhancing your creativity
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:14:17 GMT

I'va always found that a construction site with its vast array of
machinary, along with a huge hammer and a recorder (preferably a DAT) has
been able to enhance my creativity more than any of my synths combined
(except maybe the Wavestation A/D ............nnnaaaawwwwwwwwww.


me and my new 'four line' .sig
-- 
RICHARD MARTIN.      .         .     .    .   .C.Y.B.E.R.A.D.D.I.C.T.
NOISE.       . .   .. .   .   . .   . .. . . .  N...O...I...S...E....
............   . .    . . . .   . .    .   .     ...................
                 .      .   .     .   industrial_Martin@UManitoba.CA.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Exciters, enhancers, and maximizers - Oh, My!
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:22:02 GMT

Some of them are strictly glorified equalizers so beware.
From what I have seen, Aphex and BBE are the best. Aphex 
invented the whole 'exciter' idea. Several friends prefer
the BBE over the Aphex because it is 'smoother'. They found 
Aphex to be a bit strident. Like anything, when using exciters
a little goes a long way and Aphex, if overdone, tends to make
the sound a bit 'strident'.

If I were you I would take some source material in to play with
(some music you are familiar with) and try an Aphex unit and then
a BBE unit and see what your ears prefer.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: mtvfb@rivm.nl (Fokke de Boer)
Subject: Re: DIGITECH "Vocalist", need opinions...
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:33:44 GMT

Gary Richardi (gpr@midiline.la.ca.us) wrote:
: kpearce@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

: > What's the word on the Digitech "Vocalist" voice processor?  I know it does
: > pitch rounding and can add harmonies but will it make a bad singer (me)
: > passable?  What's the going price at the mail order houses?
: > 
: > Thanks in advance,
: > 
: > kpearce@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
: > 

: I saw a demo on this box that blew me away! I got to play with it a bit 
: and was very impressed. A local store, GUITAR CENTER is advertising it 
: for $600. I know it has a pitch correct mode, which can help if you sing 
: off-key but I think its strength is in harmony generation. The voices 
: really do sound natural. If it didn't cost so much, I'd have picked one 
: up last year.   Oh, BTW, the demo I saw & heard was a guy sing "AMAZING 
: GRACE" solo in 5-part harmony (interesting contradiction, isn't it?).
:                                                       ---- Gary ----
I saw that demo tape here too. But you guys are lucky to live in the States.
The Vocalist is prices here in the Netherlands for the amazingly high
amount of money of Dfl 2400, which comes down to about US$ 1200,= at the moment.
Now THAT is what I call expensive!!!

--
I am:   Fokke de Boer
EMAIL	mtvfb@rivm.nl
SNAIL	RIVM, dep. MTV, PO Box 1, 3720 BA Bilthoven, The Netherlands
PHONE	(..31) 30 743530 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Do built-in effects in a multitimbral box make sense?
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:48:25 GMT

In article <3990@news.cerf.net>, maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes:
|> I seem to remember somewhere that the use of effects within a sound module 
|> decreased the number of voices available.  Is this still a consideration or
|> is it inaccurate to assume this?  

It doesn't work that way on my SQ-R. However, you do only get one effects patch
at a time, so any other voices being used will either get the effect, or be
routed through a "dry" path (this is a simplification...it is possible to get
part of a multiple effects setup, rather than all of it). However, the total
number of voices available is unaffected.

jds
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: K2000R. You don't scare me. Nyah!
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:18:20 +0000

>Consider this a second request.

It went out yesterday.

>I believe it was MOTU that made a MIDI mixer
>modeled after the same idea--and it was noisier than hell.

So I believe. I had a Simmons SPM 8:2 mixer at one stage; unmistakably the
absolutely crappiest piece of MIDI gear I've ever had the misfortune to
use.

>Do these things even come close to touching something like a Mackie 1604?

I doubt it; but I'm after a reasonable-sounding fully-automated 1U rack
mixer (well, two of them).

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

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From: claude@cse.ucsc.edu (Claude Noshpitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Wanted Patch Editor for m1/gsp-21/mac
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:09:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lancelot.ucsc.edu

Hi -- I am looking for share ware or $ware packages to do 
patch editing on the m1 and the digitech gsp-21...

I am using a Mac.  If you could email and let me know where
I can download/ftp/or buy such software I'd greatly appreciate
it!  


				Thanks,

				Jordan


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From: rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Rupert Hollom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,alt.emusic,comp.multimedia
Subject: MIDI file player for PC/Windows
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:23:30 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get hold of some C source code
(preferablt for Windows) that allows me to play MIDI files through a
MIDI mapper or MIDI interface.  Also the format of standard MIDI files
would be appreciated.
If there are ant ftp sites that have MIDI related items I would be
grateful if someone could also give me the 'addresses' of these.

Thanks Rupert.
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Opinions: A new R8? A used Otari 50/50? Some other 8-track?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:20:31 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec16.220825.11835@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgunders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Gunderson) writes:
>
>    Stores are always threatening me with eternal karma damage for buying
>a used multitrack, always offering their killer sales phrase, "When was
>the last time YOU cleaned your 4-track heads?" The loaded question has no
>right answer, of course.

I could make a decent (and true) answer.  Before, after and several times
during my last recording session....

David.
--
+----==== opinions expressed do not represent those of my employer ====----+
| David L. Campbell, IBM AWSD Austin      | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: billw@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (William P. White)
Subject: Fix for PowerBook Problem
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:16:04 GMT

I spoke with Opcode two days ago.  The person on the phone told me
to call back in about a month and he believes at that time they
will have a fix for it.  I assume it will involve an upgrade of
OMS.

BTW - A friend and I tried Vision 1.1 on his PB160 and it seemed
to work fine.  However, I did not tax the experiment with tons
of controller messages or SysEx.

Bottom Line - - - Wait a Month!
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Simpson's issue of Keyboard?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:34:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

A Simpson's issue of Keyboard?  Visions of Maggie editorializing on
MIDI wind-controllers, Bart discussing the modern synths capability
to reproduce disgusting sounds found in nature, etc.

Is this for real, and is Danny Elfman discussed, interviewed, ?

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and just wondering in general)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: Do built-in effects in a multitimbral box make sense?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:24:22 +0000

>A D70 has a
>full-fledged FX processor on board that doesn't affect the number of voices
>used.

I'd call it "half-fledged." It's got respectable chorusing and the like,
but it's not a patch on (say) the FX in a Wavestation.

>BTW, the D70 also has "direct" outputs which apparently bypass the
>FX processor.  I assume that is so that you won't have noise introduced by
>the FX processor if you want to use external FX.

No, it's so that you can run voices to both sets of outputs selectively.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."
From: rga@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Synths for Sale (TX81Z, JX-10, P3)
Keywords: tx81z, jx-10, p-3
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:14:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

I'm putting these guys on the market:

1) Roland Super JX : JX-10    $675 + shipping
	(DCO, VCF) Digitally controlled Analog Synth
	Warm analog timbres
	76 keys
	12 note polyphony
	2 voice Multi-timbral
	1 voice card

2) Yamaha TX81z FM Synth   $225 + shipping 
	1U Rack
	8 voice polyphony
	8 voice multi-timbral
	4 Operator FM

3) Korg P3 Piano Module   $125 + shipping 
	2 Sampled Piano sounds (anyone know the sample rate?)
	Useful cheap box, ok for soloing, best used in mix
	16 note polyphony

All these units are in fine shape, and need a good home (and I
need the cash !)

Will consider all offers.

Randy Alley
Raleigh, N.C.
(919) 571-9972 after 7:30pm EST
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson)
Subject: Repost: Korg Wavestation A/D vs 01W/D Differences?
Summary: Repost: Differences between Korg Wavestation A/D & 01W/D Pro?
Keywords: Korg, Wavestation A/D, 01W/D
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:14:23 GMT

I posted this question 2 weeks ago, went out of town & the
replies have now expired!  Could someone please explain the
differences (pors & cons) between the Korg Wavestation A/D &
the 01W/D Pro?

Thanks in advance,
E-Mail if you've already posted a reply,

alberts@apl-em.apl.washington.edu
From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: tempo change with no pitch change?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:39:41 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab7g.cs.brown.edu


how difficult is it to take a piece of music (i mean like a commercially
recorded CD or something) and change the tempo without changing the pitch?
what would i need to do it and how much would it cost?

thanks,

mike


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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: What's your opinion of Yamaha TG100
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:15:37 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec17.014542.13445@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:
>>BTW, how do you access voices above 128?
>>I would like to support this method is a
>>generalized music file processing tool I am
>>working on.
>
>good question.... time to look at the manual.  ...and it's a pretty
>good one.  *everything* is in the MIDI Data Format appendix.
>hmmmm.... this looks *useful*.  the answer is sysex.  you can tell it
>to switch banks.

Recent Yamaha equipment supports MIDI bank select commands which does
*not* fall under the category of SYSEX.  The bank select command uses
controllers 0 and 32 to specify a 14-bit bank number (I forget which 
controller gets loaded first).  Anyone developing software that
allows the user to specify a program number should implement it
as a bank+patch value.  Yamaha equipment prior to MIDI bank select
merely uses high program numbers (typically over 100) to select banks.
You should never have to resort to SYSEX for this stuff.

>this is also how you can change between the 10
>different drum kits.  actually, it looks like *everything* can be
>altered by sysex and the appendix gives you values for everything.

It is true that all parameters are alterable with SYSEX.  This is what
make patch editors possible.  However, it is desirable to stay away
from SYSEX whenever possible.  It is the only MIDI message with an
unknown length and it can seriously clog up a sequence.

>I need to play with this and see how good/bad things sound if I start
>changing things *during* playback.  for example, you can change the EG
>attack and the EG release rates and the reverb levels and amounts.

The "well-behaved" way to control EG values and reverb levels during a
sequence is to assign MIDI controllers to modulate those parameters
in a patch.  Of course, not every synth gives you that capability
(although they *should*) and the user/programmer is left to create
their own "standard" if they want the same controllers to have the
same modulation effect on all patches.

SYSEX is such a terrible hack for realtime control of parameters.  It's
too bad that's the route Roland has chosen to implement such capabilities.
I fully understand that they're trying to extend the useful life of a
standard 128-patch bank (and standard drum kit) by allowing "standard"
modifications of the otherwise static palette.  There has to be a better
way to do it.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
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