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From: stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu (charles stigers)
Subject: Re: Gravity? what's that?
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:48:42 GMT

In article <930116210116.20a022ea@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>, FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
|> Just saw this glaring error on DS9:
|>   
|> when captain siskel ( or whatever ) orders his ship to power down near some
|> moon, the ship stopped moving.  What happened to gravity?  Since when is power
|> necessary for orbit?  Why didn't the ship then proceed to crash into the moon?
|> :-P
|>                                            
    They were powering down from their Hohmann (sp?) transfer orbit
between DS9 and the moon they were hiding behind.  The camera's
"velocity"  with respect to the runabout was equal to or nearly zero,
so that the runabout appeared to stop.  Actually, it still had an orbital
velocity that was enough to keep it from hitting the moon.

     BTW, how many moons does Baijour have?  I think they mentioned at
least two in that episode.

     Chris "ACE" Stigers     ---     stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu
From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking Devices...just an idea??
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:12:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


I had some questions/comments about the theory on the cloaking device.

First, the idea proposed is that a bending of space-time (gravity) is
used to bent light around the ship.  However, to keep this gravitational
effect from being detectable, you incorporate a second field (basically
anti-gravity) to bent space-time that is further from the ship back to
normal.  So basically, to ensure that an outside observer does not 
detect the gravitational effect, a second field must (in effect) undo
what the original field did.  

But wouldn't any impinging E/M radiation also have to move through this
second field?  And wouldn't this second field have the opposite effect
of the first field, so that when it passes through both fields, there 
is no net effect?


Second, it seems you have assumed that as long as E/M radiation cannot
reach you, then sensors can't detect you.  I don't know if I would agree
with this, but let's consider it to be the right idea for now.  If so, 
then wouldn't it also make sense that you would have to be able to get
E/M radiation and send E/M radiation outside of your ship's vicinity in
order to use your sensors?  Obviously, if the cloaking device bends all
impinging E/M radiation around the ship, then it is impossible for you
to "see" anything on the outside of the cloaking device.


The only idea that I have thought of that would seem to work for a 
_visual_ cloaking device is one that would first absorb all impinging 
E/M radiation.  It would then release E/M radiation in the right 
direction and at the right time so that it appears that the original
radiation had simply passed through without being effected.


-Jay
From: smt0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEFAN M. THIEME)
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Subject: Re: DS9:  Docking Ring
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:07:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1k191aINNomk@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua
E. Randall) writes:
>Where exactly do ships dock on Deep Space Nine?  In
>"Emissary", it looks as though the Enterprise is docked at
>one of the three verticle parts of the station.  However,
>later in the same episode O'Brien says that the Cardassians
>might hit the docking ring, which is vulnerable; to me, this
>implies the actual ring or central part of the station.  And
>when it comes to fighting that is where the Cardassians do
>aim their shots.
>
>Also, in "Babel", the panicked captain's ship seems to be
>attached to the ring part, not one of the verticle parts.
>And Odo comments that if he blows up he will take "half the
>docking ring" with him.
Incidently,does anyone else think that the scene when they show the
above ship shaking violently was one of the worst ST has done (the first, of
course, being those floating turkies :^)
I swear I could hear the plastic of the two models clacking against one
another.
By the way, if the ship was docked on the circumference of the ring, why didn't
we ever see it when they showed DS9 from the outside?

Picky picky, that's me.

>
>So, two questions I guess, where do ships dock, and what the
>heck does "docking ring" refer to?
>
>(Any chance of a DS9 Technical Manual?  :-)
>
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>
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From: ccartwri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Catherine A Cartwright)
Subject: Time Travel/Enterprise C
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:01:44 GMT

I have just spent the last few days reading a vast number of postings
on this net.  I hope my question/observation is not too rediculas.

The concept of time travel/alternative time lines has been discussed
recently, and it brings to mind a seeming inconsistancy I discovered
years ago.  Being new to this net, it is quite possible that many
others of you saw it as well.

In the episode where the E encountered 1701-C, the basic concept
was that they had been thrown into the *wrong* time line.  It wasn't
supposed to be like that - history had been changed.
But. .
The D did not *cause* the C to come through the tear in space -
C was brought through due to events in its own time.  Therefore,
if the events of the alternative or *wrong* time line were caused
by the C coming through, and the C went through of its own (time)
volition, then that alternative time line was not the *wrong* one,
but the true one.  The Enterprise D's actions changed history -
they did not restore it.

Now it is entirely posible that Guinan was making a value judgement,
but then, why would she not then be able to tell what possible
alternitives could result from every action?

Am I nuts? (Perhaps that's an entirely different question).

Please, please don't flame me.  When this was discussed before,
and I'm sure it was, did anyone come up with a pluasable reason
why Geordi and Ro did not fall through the floor when they were
cloaked in the Next Phase?  If you insist that the artificial
gravity is in the floor, how could they sit on the shuttle craft,
and why weren't they up to their ankles in carpet?  (I doubt that
artifical gravity comes in spray cans and is sprayed on all
surfaces :-)

Excuse my ignorance, my "science" is purely "political"

Catherine
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stan4d)
Subject: Re: Time Travel/Enterprise C
Organization: none whatsoever
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:01:38 GMT

OK - I have another 'logic foul' on the part of this episode
("Yesterday's Enterprise").  Hopefully it hasn't been dealt with
already (I just discovered this thread).

Why is the "Battleship Enterprise-D"  (let's call it Enterprise-D2 or E-D2
for convenience sake) at the exact location and speed as the "normal"
Enterprise (E-D1) when the time-change happens?  E-D1 had nothing to
do with the time disturbance, and neither did E-D2.  Isn't it a LOT
more likely that E-D2 would be somewhere else entirely (as its
missions for the last few years would be ENTIRELY different)?

Scott
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From: petitc@nuge105.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Cloaking Devices...just an idea??
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:09:45 GMT

drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo) writes:

>	It seems to me that the best way to detect a cloaked ship is to
>leave a few microphones hanging around in space. After all, that roaring
>noise ships make as they fly around must be audible miles away! :-)

  Heh. Yeah.  You'd need some atmospheric bubble around the mikes, and the
ship would practically have to brush against them, but hey, it could work.  :&)
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From: albrecht@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (ALBRECHT CC - COMP. SCIENCE)
Subject: Re: "Rascals"---You Call That Fighting?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:10:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.181431.7748@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kkane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Kane) writes:
>In article <C1E6F5.556@panix.com> kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton) writes:
>>	Picard has a fake heart?  How?  When?
>
>The episode in which he and Wesley have to go to Starbase 515 (?) and are
>in a shuttle for awhile is when he mentions it.
>

It's not fake. It's called 'parthenogenetic'. I presume this means they grew another
heart for him from his own tissue samples or DNA.


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From: sebasti@ecf.toronto.edu (SEBASTIAN SUNIL ANTONY)
Subject: Saucer Separation (TOS)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:43:23 GMT

In article <727911540snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>In article <C1Bpwz.Ds1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>>Although I'm sure they're not very canon sources,
>>many of the original Star Trek novels (to wit,
....
>>cases include a saucer-from-stardrive separation.

Alright, if this is a little garbled, my humble apologies.  As far as saucer
separation goes, the reference that comes to mind is "Flag Full of Stars"
(Author??  Pocket books) where they separated the saucer to allow refit in
gravity.

Referring to the inboard profile, in Mr Scott's Guide, there is a "planetfall
ramp"

And I seem to recall in some of the other literature mention made that the
saucer section could separate.

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: Replicator Query 
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:52:19 +0000

In article <1993Jan25.205051.20264@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu writes:

>Actually, dilithium crystals are not necessary for warp drive.  They
>improve the efficiency of  warp drive, so early warp travel would not have
>needed the crystals.  However, once they were made available, I imagine
>that warp drive design changed to require them -- i.e., a dilithium warp
>drive can not run without the crystals, but a drive could be built which
>did not require them, though would be much slower and less efficient.

In one of the episodes (or perhaps one of the books) Scotty modified the
warp engines back so that they didn't use the Dilithium crystals.

From the 'Spaceflight Chronology' (and several books, notably Diane
Carey's Final Frontier, and Chain of Attack) the original
(non-dilithium) warp drive was only capable of about warp 3.  Dilithium
provided so much more energy that they could get much higher speeds.

Yes, I know these sources aren't 'canon', but they make more sense than
a lot of the 'canon' ones (IMO of course <g>)...

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From: vs27@muddnext29.cc.columbia.edu (Vadim  Strizhevsky)
Subject: Re: Odo's molecules - where do they go?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:58:44 GMT


 I have another interesting question about Odo.  As far as I remember, Odo  
was never shown to eat or drink anything, unlike almost all other major  
characters.  Is that correct or did I miss some fragment of some episode?  
Does anyone remember?  
   Now assuming that he doesn't eat, where does he get energy to maintan  
himself from (walk, etc..)?  Maybe the same place where he takes/puts his  
energy/mass during his shape transformations? 

Vadim
From: mshopf@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Matthias Hopf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking Devices...just an idea??
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:36:54 GMT
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In <jthorpe1-230193140549@mac17.public.swarthmore.edu> jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:

>> The only idea that I have thought of that would seem to work for a 
>> _visual_ cloaking device is one that would first absorb all impinging 
>> E/M radiation.  It would then release E/M radiation in the right 
>> direction and at the right time so that it appears that the original
>> radiation had simply passed through without being effected.
>> -Jay
>[...]  Of course, then there
>would be a slight delay in the time it would take for a photon to get from
>point A to point B through a cloaked ship, so such ships would be
>detectable [...].  The light could never be emitted at the "right" time
>because the signal travelling from the "absorber" to the "emitter" would
>have to travel slower than light, and thus would have to lose some time as
>it passed through the ship.
>                                           ----jere7my

How about electrical and optical warp wires (let's call'em EWWs and OWWs)?
If you have a **very** fast computer (probably using EWWs and OWWs) and use
OWWs for light transfering, you will be able to emit E/M rays just in time.

Don't know how to implement warp wires... may be someone else has a solution.
It was just an idea...
Please don't mind...

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From: dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David E Lightner)
Subject: Nimoy in Cleveland?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:49:03 GMT

I heard that Nimoy was coming to Cleveland, Ohio on Febuary 6th and 7th.  If 
anyone would email me information on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Ty

dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
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Subject: DSN Promos for: CAPTIVE PURSUIT (#406)
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Promos for the new ST:DSN episode: "Captive Pursuit" (#406) were released 
today.  The actual program airs starting on Saturday, January 30th.  
Following this episode will be: Q-Less, Dax, and The Passenger.


Here is the promo copy:

   [ Sisko in Ops, talking to alien (in ship) on viewscreen ]

  Sisko:  You've traveled almost 90 thousand light years.

A WANTED PREDATOR FROM THE OTHER SIDE THREATENS THE SPACE STATION...

   [ Alien ship emerging from the wormhole ]

   [ Airlock door on station blasted open ]

  Alien:  Show me where the weapons are stored.

...IS HE A DANGEROUS CRIMINAL, OR A PAWN IN A BRUTAL GAME.

   [ Alien talking with O'Brien and Quark ]

  Alien:  I live the greatest adventure one could ever desire.

NOW THE CREW FINDS THEMSELVES BATTLING THE UNKNOWN.

   [ O'Brien fires phaser at two "hunters" wearing helmets (not unlike
     Stormtroopers) and red uniforms; one of them is hit and falls ]

   [ In Ops ]

  O'Brien:  He's running from something, that's for sure.

   [ Alien leaps across the room and knocks down a hunter ]

   [ O'Brien fires phaser, protecting Alien ]

THE HUNT IS ON, ON THE NEXT ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE.


{FYI... the catch phrase for BABEL is:  "I'm just not understanding 
 your banter at all well today"... or "No, didn't get a word of it"}


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From: ramsey@cua.edu (Betsy Ramsey)
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Subject: ST Reference in Clinton Inaugural
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In its Jan 21st article (p. A16) on President Clinton's inaugural
address, _The Wall Street Journal_ noted that Mr. Clinton seemed to be
alluding to "Star Trek" when he said "To renew America, we must be
bold.  We must do what no generation has had to do before..."

-------
   Betsy Ramsey, The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC
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From: brown%vidiot.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Michael L. Brown)
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Subject: ST:TNG Air Schedule as of 1/12/93
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127   9/19/92  227  46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
128   9/26/92  228  46041.1	Realm of Fear
129  10/03/92  229  46071.6	Man of the People
130  10/10/92  230  46125.3	Relics
131  10/17/92  231  46154.2	Schisms
132  10/24/92  232  46192.3	True Q
133  10/31/92  233  46235.7	Rascals
134  11/07/92  234  46271.5	A Fistful of Datas
135  11/14/92  235  46307.2	The Quality of Life
     11/21/92  227R 46001.3	Time's Arrow Part II
     11/28/92  228R 46041.1	Realm of Fear
     12/05/92  229R 46071.6	Man of the People
136  12/12/92  236  46357.4	Chain of Command, Part I
137  12/19/92  237  46360.8	Chain of Command, Part II
     12/26/92  230R 46125.3	Relics
      1/02/93  231R 46154.2	Schisms
      1/09/93  232R 46192.3	True Q
      1/16/93  233R 46235.7	Rascals
138   1/23/93  238		Ship In A Bottle
139   1/30/93  239		Aquiel
140   2/06/93  240		Face Of The Enemy
141   2/13/93  241		Tapestry
142   2/20/93  242		The Birthright, Part I
143   2/27/93  243		The Birthright, Part II
      3/06/93  234R 46271.5	A Fistful of Datas
      3/13/93  235R 46307.2	The Quality of Life
      3/20/93  238R		Ship In A Bottle
144   3/27/93  244		Starship Mine

[Yes, Chain of Command (both parts), is missing from the repeat schedule]
[No, I don't know why]

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
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Subject: Promos for: AQUIEL (#239)
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Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "Aquiel" (#239) were released today.
The actual program airs starting on Saturday, January 30th.  Following this
episode will be more new shows including: Face Of The Enemy and Tapestry.


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

THE SEARCH IS ON FOR A COLD BLOODED KILLER BEHIND AN UNSPEAKABLE MURDER.

   [ View of Enterprise, Bird of Prey, and other craft ]

   [ Bev and Worf checking for evidence; 
     Worf uses a phaser to cut a floor panel section ]

   [ Two Klingons being questioned in the Briefing room ]

  Klingon:  I killed no one.

  Riker:    We know you were there.

...AND BLIND PASSION TRAPS GEORDI WITH THE PRIME SUSPECT.

   [ Klingon delivers Aquiel into room ]

   [ Geordi and Aquiel talking ]

  Aquiel:  Do I seem like the kind of person who would murder someone?

   [ Geordi and Riker talking ]

  Riker:   There's a lot about her we don't know.

  Geordi:  And there's a lot about her that I do know.  
           And if she's innocent, I want to help her prove it.

NOW, WILL HE BE THE NEXT TARGET FOR DEATH?

   [ Geordi in crew quarters; tries to get away from a large glowing orb ]

   [ Aquiel and Geordi arguing ]

  Aquiel:  I didn't kill him.

  Geordi:  Then explain this!

   [ Riker aims phaser at Aquiel ]

  Riker:  Step away from him Lieutenant.

   [ Geordi fires phaser at orb ]

ON AN ALL-NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

-{ Dean Adams }-

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From: U16028@UICVM.UIC.EDU
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Subject: "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour" in Chicago
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I neglected to put in my previous posting about Patrick Stewart and the
crew starring in "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour"  that it will be performed
at the Chicago Theater, near the corner of State and Lake streets, on
April 10th and 11th.   For ticket info, call Ticketmaster at 312-559-1212.

Terry

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