From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: "Sipa of Delco" further humiliates himself and "Delco".
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:10:44 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>>> This is a free country and this network is a free forum
>>> for all.  

>>A fact that has conveniently let Mutlu et al abuse the network to death.

>"Mutlu" has utterly humiliated you on this point; I don't need to add 
>anything here. Still, that blind spot is typical of historical revisionists,
>genocide apologists and those who try to cover up and apologize for their
>crimes. I still fail to see how you can defend the criminals of the 
>ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle, though?

>#ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)
>#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN
>#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar
>#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>

>Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:

>>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
>>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>

>>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.
>>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:

>>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other
>>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of
>>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.

>>The obvious ridiculous "Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems" is the most
>>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this 
>>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one
>>day!

>>			- - - start yalanci.txt - - -

>[some parts are deleted]

>>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the 
>>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to
>>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational
>>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):

>>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]
>>[Yalanci]
>>[Yalanci] "The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks
>>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding
>>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,
>>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of 
>>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and 
>>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks 
>>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."
>>[Yalanci] 
>>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, "Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"
>>[Yalanci]     New York 1981, p. 157.

>>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On
>>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the
>>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-
>>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on
>>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.
>>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.

>				- - -

>>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!

>>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while
>>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the 
>>ridiculous "historical" material publicly displayed!

>>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org>  | The life of a people is a sea, and  

>Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and
>what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book
>was like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,
>I could not find the original quota.
>But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found 
>the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:

>> According to Leo:[1]

>>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
>> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own 
>> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
>> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
>> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
>> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
>> bayonets for their success." 

>>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,
>     ======================================================================
>>    p. 157.
>    ======

>QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !

>DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU
>JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.

>Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...

>You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow
>you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided
>not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise
>all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least
>we may save time by not dealing with your lies.

>And for the following line:
>>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!

>I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.
>I hope you will be drowned in your lies.

>Ahmet PARLAKBILEK

>Serdar Argic

>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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