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From: panos@burton.cs.colorado.edu (Panos Tsirigotis)
Subject: Re: Uninsured Motorist Insurance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:11:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.155219.21639@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.192039.7432@colorado.edu> panos@burton.cs.colorado.edu (Panos Tsirigotis) writes:
>>Is this type of insurance worth getting ?
>>BTW, Colorado is a no-fault state so in effect this insurance covers
>>injuries *after* the no-fault coverage is exceeded.
>>Any opinions, comments, or cases where this type of insurance
>>proved useful are welcome.
>>
>I don't know how it applies to no-fault states but uninsured/underinsured
>motorist coverage is one of the best insurance bargains.  Compared to other
>types of vehicle insurance it is cheap.
>     Suppose you have a collision which is some other person's fault and his/
>her insurance will pay up to $20k for your medical expenses.  Suppose those
>expenses are $50k+.  You might find a lawyer willing to sue the person to
>cover your medical expenses in excess of the $20k but you are not likely to
>collect unless the person is very rich.  If you have uninsured/underinsured
>motorist coverage for $100k your insurance will cover your medical expenses
>up to $100k which are not covered by the other person's insurance.
>     An insurance agent should be able to explain it better if you have other
>questions.
>

Well, in the case of Colorado, no-fault covers you up to $50k and if that
is exceeded the uninsured motorist part of the insurance covers the rest
(up to a limit that in my case I don't recall off-hand).
The question is how probable it is for medical expenses to exceed $50k
and that's where the risk is.
BTW, my insurance agent would like me to buy this coverage but so far
I haven't been convinced.

Panos

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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Help! Ford service disaster!!!
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:41:22 GMT

bay@unislc.uucp (Bethanne Yukman) advised:
> If I were in your situation I would be furious.  I would first call and
> complain to the manager of the dealership.  

Probably one of slimiest folks you'll ever want to meet (or not want to
meet)...

> Then if I didn't get satisfaction I would call the regional Ford office.  

They'll be sure to send you some nice form letters ...

> Next I would call the national headquarters and talk to Ford's national 
> customer service hotline.  

Nah, they'll just give you the number of the regional Ford office 
mentioned above ...

> If you don't complain to people who can do something about the 
> problem, nothing will change. 

Of course, you can talk to people who can do something about the problem
and nothing will change.  This *is* F(ix) O(r) R(epair) D(aily) we are
discussing here.  [ actually, *I'm* flaming - Ford, that is ]

> Good luck.

... with your subsequent purchase of a Honda, Saturn, ...
From: crowede@ucs.orst.edu (Debra Crowe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford lemons
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:59:07 GMT
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Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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I'm not sure why everyone thinks Fords are Lemons... I'm on my third Ford, and
have liked all three. I drove an 83 Mustang until 100,000 with just
maintenance and a heater core at 85K. My current cars are an 89 Mustang 5.0
and an 89 Ranger. Both are excellent cars. The only problem I've had was the
Mustang 5.0 had it's catalytic converters go out while under warranty. The
dealer replaced it free -- and no problems yet (40K). The Ranger just goes and
goes...  

I'm also really pleased with my local dealer, Wilson Motors, as they always
give me good service, and often tell me when I call for a tune-up or something,
to wait because they're coming out with a special on that particular repair.

The biggest pieces of junk I've seen are GM products -- I once rode in an Olds
in which the dash bounced and rattled so bad it was unbelievable. I also used
to own a 4Runner before the Ranger and it was unbelievable to replace parts
on. Wipers were $15 a piece, mud flap replacements were $38 a piece, a bumper
(when my hubby backed into a tree), was $500!

I'll buy another Ford !!

p.s. My folks love their Explorer too!
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From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:03:49 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
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In article <Bxv7np.12J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>
>In article <1e98hbINNkcq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gregc@banach.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland) writes:
>[Rules and regs omitted.]
>
>scream discrimination, file billions of lawsuits, etc. etc. and it will
>all be a huge mess.
>
>Better to just raise the speed limit to 85 or 90 MPH. Those with
>vehicles capable of travelling at that speed will do so, if they feel
>comfortable. Those with Geo Metros will stay at 55. ;-)
>

I think the main problem here is: how would the police enforce speed limits?
2 different limits would exist for most highways.

This would make enforcing limits near impossible, which would get the
powerful insurance companies to lobby against it, and it would be flushed
immediately.

I am for raising the limit though. :-)

-Pete
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:30:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, jyri+@CMU.EDU (Jyri Virkki) says:

>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>> 
>> >being built with acceptable handling. The only modern car I've been in
>> >that became twitchy after 70 or so was the Geo Metro.
>>                      ~~~~~~~~~              ^^^^^^^^^
>> tail wind??..or down hill??..or both???..AROUND 70, no prob..AFTER 70..in 
>> a metro???...( :-) for those of us.....)
>> DREW
>
>Well, a while ago I had a rental car that was a Metro station wagon,
>three cylinder, automatic (couldn't posibly get worse than that
>configuration) and it didn't have much trouble achieving 85 or so.
>
oh
you sure it wasn't blown?...or something..
but seriously
i've HEARD(yes, that means that it could be wrong) that the advertised
top speed for metros is 70..i dunno..are eurospec different..like do
they sell them anyplace else with higher output(the geos..not whatever
brand actually  makes them)..now..i don't know WHO advertises this mph
figure(you are talking MPH, not KPH)..but i don't quite know why in the
hell geo would...unless they want daddys to buy them for their kiddies..
beats me..so..i guess my must have gotten a good one...most of them that
i've ever heard of will not go that fast(from owners)but what does it 
matter..i doubt either of us want to buy one for it's top speed(nor for
any other reezon, IMHO)
DREW
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From: belonis@dirac.phys.washington.edu (Jim Belonis)
Subject: 76 Dart lower control arm shaft broken free from crossmember
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:21:52 GMT

I have a '76 Dodge Dart with unsafe front end.
Its left wheel lower control arm shaft has broken free from the
crossmember and kind of moves around a little occasionally in the crossmember
causing the steering to jerk and the toe-in to become toe-out .
I assume that eventually, the failure mode will be that the left wheel will
fall off as the shaft rips out of the crossmember entirely if the
torsion bar will let it.

Does anyone think this should be repairable for a hundred or two
if I find a good welder 
to weld the crossmember without removing the crossmember from the car ?
Or should I just junk it ?

I have had one shop give me the opinion that it is not weldable and that
replacing the crossmember would cost more than the car is worth
(they quoted something like 15 hours labor).
They claim that there is a sleeve through the crossmember that
the shaft goes through and that the sleeve has broken free from the
crossmember at least on the front side of the crossmember.  This may be
complicated since they say it was already welded once (not revealed to me
when I purchased the car two years ago) so 'there is not enough material
left to weld again'.
I can  not verify there is such a sleeve in my Chilton's,
but I can see damage where
the shaft is bolted on the front side of the crossmember.

Any information would be appreciated.


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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Merkur Scorpio
Keywords: comments?
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 07:43:37 GMT

Does anyone have any comments on Merkur Scorpios?

I've seen a few on the road, and I have alsways like the design.
Too bad that Ford decided to drop the German Fords (Scorpio, XR4Ti)
Were they built well? (I assume that being a German car, it should
hold up well. Assuming of course.)  (heh heh)


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From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Summary: my cars faster than your car. :-P
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:54:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Nov15.060407.1359@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov5.040209.4665@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
> >> 
> >> In my opinion, we should 
> >> concentrate first on fixing/removing those autos that pollute the most.
> 
> >Well in my opinion, I think we should get rid of every
> >polluting big mouth that wants to remove all of the *fun* cars
> >from the road.
> 
> David,
> 
> And I think we should get rid of every SOB that puts words in my
> mouth (that'd be you, pal).

Well I'm hurt...NOT!!


> I'm *not* suggesting we remove every
> well-maintained classic muscle car from the road.  I *am* suggesting
> that we get rid of the old beaters that only see maintenance when
> it comes time to pass inspection.

Okay, maybe I misread you but you aren't listening to me
I don't want to see these programs suck in the "special interest"
cars as well.


> BTW, I drive a 1992 Laser RS Turbo - definitely a *fun* car in
> my book.  I'll bet money that I'd beat your 396 cubic inches in
> an emmissions test (probably on a winding country road, too).

Oh Scott, not a "my cars faster than your car" battle, however,
I'd be willing to take you up on that challenge anytime.


> Scott Borders
> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu
> borders_scott@tandem.com 

                      
                                          
                     
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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: GM ad suggests Oldsmobile stays
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:48:13 GMT

In article <Uf2m9RW00Uh_09=wYI@andrew.cmu.edu> Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Will Chrysler discontinue Plymouth before GM discontinues Oldsmobile?

I saw a TV and magazine ad from GM that went something like this:

"Last year, Oldsmobile sold more cars than:

	Acura,
	Mercedes-Benz,
	...

	COMBINED.

With numbers like that, Oldsmobile can only be moving in one direction."

The ad then displays a silver-colored car called "Aurora".  It sounds
like GM is trying to shut down the rumors of Oldsmobile's impending
demise.  Any comments?
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From: clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee)
Subject: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Keywords: Saturn reliability
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:14:48 GMT

Two weeks ago, I put down 15K at the dealer for a new SL2.  500 miles and a 
week later, the car's back at the dealer for a new transmission.  Obviously,
I'm unhappy about the situation.  I bought the car partly because of claims
of quality and reliability, but this episode has me deeply worried.  So,
I'd appreciate feedback from Saturn owners regarding the reliability of their
car (or should I get a refund and buy a Civic?)

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1988 Saab Turbo 900S - Good used car??
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:38:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <Bxvn34.Bnq@ra.nrl.navy.mil> schuette@roadkill.nrl.navy.mil (Larry Schuette) writes:
>	Anybody have anything bad to say about the 900 Turbo, in

	Funny you should ask.

	I used to own a 87 900S which I bought brand new.  It was the worst piece
of shit ever to roll on four wheels.  The repair costs were more than the payments
on the loan.  The only unethical thing I've ever done in my life was when I sold that
car:  I looked that poor sucker straight in the eye and told him it was a _great_ _car_
and I sure was sorry to have to sell it just 'cause Momma needed that operation an' all.

>	Any SAAB owners willing to offer pre-purchase advice?

	Buy a couple of extra ones and keep them around for parts.  If you have three
you might be able to keep at least one on the road.
									W.rat

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:05:46 GMT

In article <2400069@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>    * I don't know, maybe the sun in Arizona
>    *is different to the sun in MD.  I doubt it though.
>
>The difference is the humidity.  The high humidity in Maryland cuts the
>intensity of the sunlight quite a bit.  In a dry climate the sunlight
>is much more intense.  Also the temperatures is Arizona get at least
>10 and likely 20 degrees hotter.
>
	Yes, you make a valid argument, but what I want to know is that how can
vinyl be hotter in MD than leather, but cooler in AZ than leather?  You would
expect the same differences, just that both would be much hotter under the
AZ sun than under a MD sun.  


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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:31:55 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) says:

>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) says:
>>>
>>>"The air conditioning refrigerant cools without harming the ozone."
>
>>this may easily be true..but i dunno who dreamed up that they are the
>>first..this is the part i have problems with..considering that the
>>new VW's use it..i believe both  BMW and Mercedes use it some..all of
>>these are, i believe 93 models..and methinks mercedes may have been 
>>using them even longer..i can't quote from anything right now..but 
>>i do know that VW's has been alleged on the net, and undisputed..and i've
>>read the others at some time..just don't know where.
>
>True enough, but I strongly believe we will see this new ozone saving
>miracle refrigerant (R-134A) banned sometime in our lifetime.  There
>are some disturbing properties of this chemical and since it is still
>young (about 10 years old) its long term effects are still largely
>unknown.
>
odd the way we do tend to keep doing this to ourselves, huh.....seems we
are always solving the problems at hand with something that only makes it
worse(or screws up something else besides) than the original problem...
oh well..let's hope that this is not one of those cases...BTW..would
someone please post on just exactly what they are using for non cfc a/c
systems, as i have not read anything on them only that they are being
used...not what they are/what they are made of/etc..anyone want to tackle
a post on that subject(of course, at risk of being corrected! :-) but not by
me!
thanx
DREW
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Washers running off from the presure in the spare tire - Jo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:26:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Absolutely true. My '68 Bug had a long rounded bottle, probably held
about a half gallon, that fit behind the spare tire (which was
front-mounted, just behind the "hood", and through a series of hoses,
the washer fluid was pressurized by the air in the spare tire. 
There was sposed to be some kinda safety valve so that you wouldn't
use up spare air below a certain psi. A horrible system... they
should've strangled the person whose drug-induced nightmares 
conjured up this Rube Goldbergesque abomination. 

And let's not even talk about VW Bug heating systems controls.
Or having the car battery under the back seat cushion. And on and on.
Yes, they were "cute." Yes they sold jillions of them. Yes I liked
mine a lot for the first couple years I owned it. Yes there are still
an amazing number of these little monsters running the roads today.
But after mine was totalled in an under 5mph side collision, 
I promised myself I would never own nor ride in another VW Bug.

Harv
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From: rg9538@ehsn2.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett)
Subject: Gatorback tires
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:17:09 GMT


I have 1 89 Probe GT with 15 inch rims and Gatorback tires (High Speed).

I can't remember who makes them right now, but I thiink the Gatorback
name says enough.  I will probably end up having to put new tires on it within
this calendar year.  I understand that Gators are expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any suggestions for possible substitutions that won't cosr $250 a piece??


Ron Garnett
From: craig_p@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Florida Radar Speeding Ticket Help Please...
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:21:13 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Has anyone gotten a radar speeding ticket in Orlando, Florida?  While on
vacation, my group was stopped by a Highway Patrol Car.  This patrol car was
seen coming at us in the west bound lane of the "Bee Line" while we were
heading west.  He crossed the median strip that is about 80 feet wide and
headed to pull us over.  We were NOT the only car in the area.  There was a car
ahead of us and a truck in the rear of us.  I have 3 witnesses that will
testify that we were never alone on the highway.  The problem is that I may be
at a loss since I will have to fight this ticket from Hawaii!  Has anyone been
able to beat a ticket in this situation?  I know we were not speeding, but how
will I be REALLY able to prove that we were NOT the ones "gunned"?
Any ideas???
From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to remove tinted window film
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:04:01 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

barham@medtronic.COM (Bill Barham) writes:

> Does anyone out there have any tips for easily removing tinted window film
> from glass windows?  I have used a razor blade to scrape it off, but it is
> a very slow process this way.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Barham      Medtronic Micro-Rel, CAE/CAD Support  602-921-6439
>                  email  barham@urel.medtronic.com


Well, I had to do this once.  A razor blade is the best way (look out for the 
rear defroster!).  Park the car in a sunny area, the stuff comes off better, 
if the glass is a bit warm.

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From: R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: 88 GM truck and paint
Organization: CSU
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:39:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.112335.14021@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell) writes:
 
>I read a while back that Ford has a "silent" recall for a paint
>problem with their trucks (blue if I remember)
>
>Well I have a  1988 GMC (Secret Service dark blue) that seems to be
>just chipping away. I went to the dealer yesterday and inquired as to why
...Stuff deleted....
>SO I ask the great wisdom of the net..Has anyone out experienced this
>problem or have heard of it from the GM side? Has anyone actually had
>this work done?
>
 
     I've not had to worry about it on my truck, yet,  but I've seen
some dark blue Berettas and Grand Prix(es) with the paint peeling
back in pretty good sized sheets.
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