HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: REDMAN on "In Living Color"
Reply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:48:04 GMT

if y'all read usa today --they say when redman's album is due out - oct. 20 as has been noted.  the same day sade is supposed to release her new album.

i'm alost positive that redman is oct.20 but if grand puba hasn't let go yet then he's oct. 20 but i know one of thems' oct. 20

get the pic.   wait till oct. 20 

				dave lewis
From: v523d85n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: REDMAN on "In Living Color"
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct3.054917.11797@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes...
>Just a note.  I saw Redman and K-Solo at a Hit Squad concert tonight, and 
>Redman and K-Solo called each other brothers.
> 
>K-Mello
>SHYGUY Productions


what up, i just saw them on the 5th in buffalo, they were with gangstarr(who
SLAMMED), and the rest of the hit squad.  redman and k-solo both said that they
were sorry that their voices were so hoarse (they were), but that they had just
done three shows at the apollo.  EPMD were even more hoarse - i couldnt 
recognize parrish's voice and e double could barely talk - when he tried to rap
he lost his voice completely.  it seemed like for a while they were rapping
over the voices on the record, and then, after the dj scratch show (scratch got
stupid all over the turntables), it was like scratch was rapping with the both
of them so that we could hear some lyrics; it was like the dj was the backup
vocalist.  i was really disapointed about this, but the show still slammed
and if EPMD would have had their voices, i could have had no complaints.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Were they fakin' the funk?
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:11:41 GMT
Organization: UB


	It shouldn't be such a big surprise that 3rd Bass and Brand Nubian 
broke up...First of all 3rd Bass (Serch and Pete Nice) were brought together
by the producer Sam Sever for the album - they weren't friends before 
(actually probably the opposite)...Same thing goes for TLC, The Native 
Tongue (primarily the addition of Monie Love and Chi Ali) and a lot of 
other hip hop acts...most of them were the creation of a producer of
record company exec. As for Brand Nubian, did they really break up? Grand
Puba always said that he was just there for the one album, and was 
basically a solo artist...Cypress Hill is in the same situation (DJ Muggs)...

-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 11:05:30 CDT
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote

P. Ialamanna writes:
>Actually, I think that we'd be better off with Bush...
My question is HOW IN THE HELL CAN WE BE BETTER OFF WITH BUSH???... Sure, Clin-
ton's wife is part of the PMRC, but Bush and his Republican cronies are making
songs like "Cop Killer" a campaign issue... instead of focusing on our fucked-
up economy, he and Quayle would rather espouse their "family values" on us...

As a yong Black male who's VOTING this year, I can't stand to have a President
who thinks that Hip Hop is responsible for AmeriKKKa's tragedies... From a Hip
Hop perspective, Bush re-elected could mean the end of pure hip-hop as we know
it... With Bush's influence, he could "twist the arms" of certain record com-
panies to postpone the release of certain products deemed "harmful" by special
interest groups... If the President was REALLY interested in "Family Values",
then he would have not arrested NORIEGA for drug trafficking, but arrested the
mutha fuckers responsible for the shit entering THIS country...

We, in the Hip Hop Nation, can't afford 4 more years under the reign of Reagan/
Bush/whoever else... We need change NOW... even if it is a vote for Clinton...
After all, a LITTLE change is better than no change at all...

One more note:  Just before the Rodney King beating was aired worldwide,
Bush praised DARRYL GATES on what a wonderful job he was doing as LA's Chief of
Police... think about it...

5,000... The Minista of Rage...
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: NWA et al
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.211201.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>Also, I've been wondering about this subject for awhile.  I'm white and 
>listen to mostly hardcore hiphop.  In fact, the only "rap" I listen to is 
>hiphop.  I was just wondering what you all thought about white people 
>listening to "black hype" music (there was a thread recently about the 
>non-racism of blacks, so whatever you want to call it).  Point is:  if I 
>rolled into Compton listening to NWA, I'd get my ass kicked, right, even 
>though I feel that blacks in this country are oppressed.  Why is that?  Is 
>it fair for blacks to hate all white people just because the government is 
>99% white, and they're the ones screwing over the black nation?  Just 
>wondering what you all thought about this.
>
>-- 
>Jeffery D. Webb
>
>JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU

You know, it's funny, but a lot of the race crimes I read about/hear about
(minus Reginald Denny) usually take place when a black person is in a place he
'shouldn't' be, ie. Bensonhurst.  I don't hear much about a white person
getting beat in Compton, etc.  And we really have no idea how many whites
actually go through these places, obviously not many, but just how many? I know
when I'm driving in these so-called black areas, I occasionally see a couple of
white people *walking through these neighborhoods.  Usually you hear of black
on black crime in these areas, and I'm sure the media whould be more than happy
to report the opposite.

As for you listening to real hip-hop, who cares if you are white or black?  As
long as you like it and *listen* to it.  I always trip when I am reading the
net and see a person write, "I listen to rap and I'm white."  If people felt
true to themselves, it would seem as if they really wouldn't have to mention
their race.  Just hop on and talk like *everyone* else.  Afterall, we are all
supposed to be equal, right?  Which also means it is possible to like the same
things, even the same type of music, right?  The only thing that gets to me is
that I know white people listen to groups like PE and have no idea what he is
talking about.  Just like people wearing those Malcolm X hats and have no idea
about Brother Malcolm, whites and blacks alike.

                                                   T-Dub
                                                   SHYGUY productions
From: wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: this
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:45:09 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Rap is really neat!  Yuk yuk.
From: v081jwnc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MC Flexible Flyer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: DJ Cool Herc
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was reading "Newsweek" and it had the 100 top people or things in the 
cultural elite and it had a little section on rap.  Newsweek said that 
in 1968 (no typo here) DJ Cool Herc started rap in the west Bronx.  
Does anybody know this story?  If rap started then, why wasn't it until 
like 82 before rap started to become popular with kids on the street? 

Also in this months "Interview" magazine they do an interview with 
Fab 5 Freddie.  I haven't read the whole thing, but the part I read 
was pretty informative of who he is and some of his insight, but not 
too much on hip hop.   

I am out like warm weather (38 deg. F when I woke up today)
William
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: new NWA
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.210544.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes...
>I was under the impression that the new N.W.A was coming out this September. 
>Well, it's the 30th, and I haven't seen it yet.  The local record store 
>seems to know nothing about a release date at all.  Can anyone drop some 411 
>on this?


	Yeah, NWA's album was never supposed to come out in Septemeber.
Its always been set for a December release.  

						Amil

PS--Ice Cube...Nov.3!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
Subject: Re: Cypress Hill
Keywords: ch
Organization: Adolph Eichmann's Evil Cake Factory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:01:57 GMT

In article <fedde.718326047@Sofia> fedde@Sofia.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>Isn't it time for Cypress Hill to come out with something new soon?
>Anyone got any info on what they are up to?

Well, they were last-minute additions to the free Pearl Jam concert on
September 20th in Seattle.  I got the T-shirt, but showed up to late to see
the group.

				Greg Barnes
				greg@cs.washington.edu
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: What about Main Source?
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <fedde.717342585@Minsk>, fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>Are the rumors about Main Source splitting up true, or what?
>
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)

This is what the October issue of The Source reported.  If it is definite or
final, who knows?

                                                      T-Dub
                                                      SHYGUY productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:23:46 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <BvFHFG.CEH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>Is it coincidence or are you racist when you list only whites as fake rappers?
>Also, what's wrong with cashing in on a black man's idea? 
>I ain't racist but black people cash in on white's ideas so what's the big
>deal? It's called CAPITALISM. By the way, I find that a lot of rap today is
>about selling records, in otherwards, just like all the other types of music.
>-- 
>*********************************************************************************   - P. Ialamanna -    " I think you hear me knocking and I think I'm coming *
>			  in, and I'm bringing my big, bad opinions with me"   **
>*I represent the Univ. of Illinois. (Along with 50,000 others)===DISCLAIMER==  *
>********************************************************************************

Black's cashed in on white ideas.  I'd be hard like to hear some good   
examples of this.  The fact of the matter is few Black's have ever "Cashed
In".  
															------------>KSG
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:15:35 GMT

In article <BvFHFG.CEH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu> wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> >Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
> >alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
> >black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
> >of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some producer.
> 
> Is it coincidence or are you racist when you list only whites as fake rappers?

He listed two artists.  Can you say, "statistically insignificant?"  I Knew 
You Could.

> Also, what's wrong with cashing in on a black man's idea? 

Ah, *man*. . .

> I ain't racist but black people cash in on white's ideas so what's the big
> deal? It's called CAPITALISM. 

It's called musical genocide.

> By the way, I find that a lot of rap today is
> about selling records, in otherwards, just like all the other types of music.

For the record: you don't sound like you're racist. . .but if ignorance were a
crime, you'd get the chair.  "What's the big deal?"  I don't even know where 
to begin.  Suffice it to say that whites have been cashing in on black music
in America since there were blacks in America.  History repeats like a Mobius
strip.  I'm out, before I get seriously pissed.

Kevvy Kev

"It was a musical renaissance, that started within the hearts
 And minds and souls of those who rose, reached their goals
 Stood tall, and spited the odds 
 And got Hard even though downtrod"
                                     _Between the Grooves_
                                        1992 K. Montague
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Stereo MC's & Sindecut
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


 I heard that Stereo MC's just have released their third album called 
 "Connected". Is this as good as the second? They played a single on
 the radio (Connected(?)) which sounded good. Maybe the dance element of
 it was too large. I like a "dirty" sample(No jokes about that please).

 Sindecut have been working on their second album for quite some time.
 Have they split? I hope not. 

 And finally an explanation to all english readers: I believe a swedish
 artist called DR Alban have reached the second place on TOTP. Unfortunately
 this man is a good(bad) example of Swedish Dancemusic. When you see him
 on TV just turn it off. Some day, Sweden will be able to export some real
 talent with success.
     					-Palle Zetterstrand
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Old Beasties, CookiePuss, Young and Useless.
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:32:39 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
:
|My friend has all of the old Beastie Boys "punk" albums.  I've never heard
|of Young and Useless.  Besides "CookiePuss", they have an ep called 
|"The Beastie Boys"
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is news to me.

|and another called "Polly-Wog-Bag-Stew", (I'm not
|sure if that's spelled right.)

Pollywog Stew, on which there was a track "B-E-A-S-T-I-E". Maybe this is
what you are thinking of?

Tx. [i think]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: New Jack Reviews XXXII:  _Greatest Misses_ by Public Enemy
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:54:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I hadn't noticed any 'effect' on Shut Em Down (...'91), I'll have to listen
very
carefully.  Incidently..I just heard the Shut Em Down 12" the other day and
it hasa remix with the 'live' version off Greatest Misses...but minues the
crappy background noise!
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:36:24 -0400 
From: Gautam Gandhi <gg27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
	<Bv9LFI.2uv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

The old school shit goes back to the African Bambatta and the furious
Five and Planet Rock, when rap formed as way of way of breakin... It was
fun and that's it... PE was the first to pave the way to take this new
art form and use it in a way of voicing thier views on serious issues.  
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: bend@htsa.aha.nl (Ben Doets)
Subject: The Sugarhill Gang
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:05:48 GMT

More than a decade ago, I guess it was about 1978, there was this
group called the Sugarhill Gang. They had a #1 hit with their Rappers
Delight for a lot of weeks here in the Netherlands.

I am still wondering if they were the first rappers to hit the charts
as well as the first samplers. That is `using' other bands music.
Remember that the music was by Chic with their Good Times.

Does anyone have more information about all this ?

Thanks,
ben 
bend@aie.nl
bend@maestro.htsa.aha.nl
............................................................................
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Still lookin' for...
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:05:44 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Check the October issue of the Source I believe it is with the interview of
Puba.  They ask him about this "contradiction" and he does address the issue.
As far as me, I think it depends on how seriously they foolow the beliefs of
their religions, because Muslims arent the only ones that are supposed to be
against this or that, yet people who categorize themselves as falling under
those beliefs are doing things contrary to what the beliefs say.  There's a
BIG difference between belonging to a religion and living by it.  Should 
there be?  I don't know, but I am the last to cast any stones.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.200723.1@vax.sonoma.edu> wilsont@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>Today there are a lot of rappers out there who are fake.  There are 
>alot of rappers who are not rappers who are just cashing om on a 
>black mans idea.  Fake rappers like Vannila Ice, Marky Mark, and alot 
>of others.  Real rap is when it comes from the heart not from some producer.

Is it coincidence or are you racist when you list only whites as fake rappers?
Also, what's wrong with cashing in on a black man's idea? 
I ain't racist but black people cash in on white's ideas so what's the big
deal? It's called CAPITALISM. By the way, I find that a lot of rap today is
about selling records, in otherwards, just like all the other types of music.
-- 
*********************************************************************************   - P. Ialamanna -    " I think you hear me knocking and I think I'm coming *
			  in, and I'm bringing my big, bad opinions with me"   **
*I represent the Univ. of Illinois. (Along with 50,000 others)===DISCLAIMER==  *
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee)
Subject: Rap sucks balls
Keywords: sucks
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:05:09 GMT

Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:28:30 GMT

In article <1a44mbINN16f@aludra.usc.edu> Steven John Knezevich writes:
>In a way, if you think about it....PE really is the first new school.  I mean,
>they were the first to mainstream introduced the frustrations of black
>youth into their rhymes and from their work they inspired all the divisions
>of rap....political, hardcore, gangster, slow jams....whatever....
>In a way, they are the groundbreakers....maybe not the first...Was there
>anyone else before them that was addressing issues as hard as Chuck D?
>I can't think of anyone....

Boogie Down Productions came out in 1986, the year before PE dropped "Bum Rush
The Show". Even then, I still don't think that really signifies the beginning
of the new school.  It's kinda like dinasour ages - it's not easy to pinpoint
just where it began.

To me, BDP, PE and Eric B & Rakin were all old school because of the props 
Grand Puba gave them on the Brand Nubian track "Dedication". "What can I say?
I wouldn't be here today, if the old school didn't pave the way..."

-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
***********************and BRP's debut 12" single, "Rap Is An Art"***********
***********************ON TAPE from BRP Independent**************************
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Were they fakin' the funk?
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:43:05 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:

>There are two tapes that are must buys now. 'White Men Can't Rap'--Soundtrack,
					^^^
>and Brand New Heavies--'Heavy Rhyme Experience Vol. 1'.  

This is OLD news, man. Both these have been discussed before in alt.rap.
Where have you been lately?

>How can we keep dope groups like Main Source, 3rd Bass, and Brand Nubain
>from breakin' up?

Might sound tuff, but it ain't much we can do. Some breakups are due to
personal problems and if you could fix those you could fix divorses too. As
you can't do that, you won't be able to "help" the groups either...

I'm out like last year...

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: CMW & Bushwick Bill
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:00:59 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

Ok...

I have got both mail and articles that show people would be interested in
this so I will write something about it. Just give me a day so it is done
properly and then I post about it...hang in there!

"<It ain't over motherfucker!>
 <South Bronx!><Bullshit city>
 <Tim><Dog's going out on a strecher>" 
				-Mike T scratch on CMW _Music to Driveby_

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Run DMC, New School, ETC...
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:45:34 GMT

I have to disagree.  I think the biggest year for hip-hop has to 1988, even
if you talk about only the summer alone.  That shit was just PHAT!  The list
of shit that came out that summer and that whole year is a lot by itself of
shit that no true hip-hop listener should be without.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: fssrk1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Adidas Shelltops
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:24:04 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I have to get a pair o Shelltops 
and I have no idea where I can possibly mail order them from.
I have tried getting a hold of a phone number for
Hysterics in NYC. PLease help 
thank you
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Rapper vs. Rap Artist
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:37:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Somethin's been buggin' me for a while...

Lots of people are callin' all of the MCs "Rappers." 
I realize that this is a commonly used term, but I have have always
considered rap being an art.
When I refer to them, I use the term rap artist, as sort of a respect
for rap. I admit that there are some cases in which the word "artist"
is not appropriate, such as Kriss Kross, (which for that matter doesn't
even rap) but I think that even though it's a technicality, people
should think about what they're callin' rap artists.
                                         I'm audi like "rappers"
                                                  -LX