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From: ac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (ac)
Subject: Location Change of Choir Concert at Purdue
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:24:49 GMT

	!!!!!! Change of Location of Choir Chocert !!!!!!

	The choir concert held by Purdue Chinese Student Choir has 
changed its performance location (the previous one was damaged by fire):

LOCATION: Our Savior Lutheran Church
          300 W. Fowler Ave. W. Lafayette, IN
          (corner of Fowler and Vine, two blocks from Knoy Building)
TIME:     8:00pm, November 14th (Sat.) 

	Purdue Chinese Student Choir consists of 60 members, most of us
are students from Taiwan. The Choir will sing art songs, Christmas 
songs, and folk songs in Chinese, English, Italian, Latin, and 
Taiwanese.

	We sincerely hope that you can come and share a night of music
and fun with us. If you are interested in more information, please 
contact Ting-lin Kao at 317-743-0913.

	We look forward to your coming.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: parents reaction to dating americans
From: <RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:47:22 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Hi...Just putting in my two cents on this topic...

The reasons that my parents wouldn't like me dating caucasian men is
that they are afraid that I wouldn't be happy because of the difference
in culture, day to day life, and morals.  Even being brought up in the US by
very traditional parents, I don't think that people should be so concerned
with 'bloodline' anymore.  Of course, that's not to say there isn't any
concern.  But with the world in so much racial turmoil as it's in, it's
sad to see how important bloodline is.


by the way, I was born in Taiwan, moved to US when I was 10.  Just thought
the background would help show where I'm coming from.
***************************|*********************************************
Tiffany Chu                |   "Every dog must have its day."
RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu       |
PennState University       |            -------Jesus and Mary Chain
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.011122.19573@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>     [Temas pli junula gravedeco.]
>
>     The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
>pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
>I believe that (I complained a lot about this in certain discussion-
>groups) it is the responsibility of every adult -- especially those
>adults who think that they are adult and see romantically/sexually
>liberal movies and magazines.  They create a market and culture for
>the young to get exposed to.  And look! their young gets infected with
>ideas which their society had to deal with.  And money cannot pay to
>remedy this.

I disagree that this is an indication of western influence, although on the
first sight it would appear to be.  Remember, traditionally in China, it had
always been permitted for teenage boys to visit brothels, etc.; it was just
"not OK" for teenage girl to have sex, but if historical writings are
believable at all, teenage girls, among the elite, might be somewhat
promiscuous as well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Re: How to insult a Brit (reprise)
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:00:55 GMT

>>How about Britperson?
>>
>>David

>Would that be pronounced "Brittperson" or "Brightperson"?

>Gerry

MOST DEFINITELY BRIGHTPERSON  :-) DIDN`T YOU KNOW MOST OF US ARE BRILLIANT :-)
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British constitution: draft FAQ entry.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:58:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <lg534jINNce@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> Audrey says that Prof. Harry Calvert's work "An Introduction To British 
> Constitutional Law"(1985) claims
> > We would, however, search the written constitution of the US equally 
> > vainly. It has never been denied that that the USA functions under a 
> > written constitution, yet the fundamentally important power  which 
> > the Supreme Court exercises to declare invalid laws which transgress 
> > the Constitution is nowhere written into it.
> 
> If Prof. Calvert states that, then his search was not thorough enough.

I believe Mr "Pinkerton" had better start studying a bit harder
for his citizenship exam.

A look at "Marbury v. Madison" 1803 would be a good start. 

jon.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:39:47 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <1992Nov11.121441.17722@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org writes:
> 
> 	About 18 months ago, the "Economist" observed that property
> 	crime rates in some areas of Britain were approaching those
> 	in the U.S.  The murder rate per head of population is about
> 	12-fold higher in the U.S. than it is in the U.K.

Last year, the same "Economist" published a chart showing
that you were statistically safer in Northern Ireland than
in Washington DC.

But we chewed over all this a year ago.   Second Amendment
fans have a zillion ways to explain why this kind of thing
doesn't matter.    I certainly won't post further on the
subject.

jon.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:37:56 IST
From: Danny Rothenberg <X68147@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?
Distribution: world
 <1doqcvINNls9@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>

In article <1doqcvINNls9@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, martin.baines@uk.sun.com
(Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) says:
>
>Which brings us full circle to where this tread started: in the US
>there is theoretical separtation of church and state, but in practice
>Religion has a very major effect on government. In the UK we have an
>established church, but in practice religion has very little impact on
>the running of the state. As an athiest I know which I prefer!
>
>Personally, I would like to see the church disestablished, but in
>practice parliament interfers far more in the C of E than vice versa. I
>sometimes wonder why they don't make a bigger deal out of it, after all
>I am sure they don't want people with my religious views telling them
>what to do!
>

In fact by law, any Act passed by the Synod (parliament) of the Church of
England has to be ratified by Parliament, which, at least today just
will just rubber-stamp it.  (But think about this: there is serious debate
about something passed by the Synod and it has to be discussed in the
House of Lords.  Where does this leave the bishops who are ex officio
members of the Lords.  Or do they just stay silent as do those judges who
are appointed to the Lords in its capacity as the highest court in the land
but otherwise do not take part in its deliberations.

>Martin
>
>---
>"You might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment"
>
>Martin Baines, Sales Support Manager,
>Sun Microsystems Ltd, 306 Science Park, Cambridge, CB4 4WG, UK
>Phone: +44 223 420421                 Fax: +44 223 420257
>JANET:     Martin.Baines@uk.co.sun    Other UK:  Martin.Baines@sun.co.uk
>Internet:  Martin.Baines@UK.sun.com
>X.400:     g=martin s=baines prmd=sunir admd=mci c=us
>
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: East Anglia Polytechnic - still exist?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:45:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: martin.baines@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 14045@dcs.qmw.ac.uk, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: aoaass@registry.adelaide.edu.au
>>Just need to find outwhether Anglia Polytechnic still exists or whether it
>>has changed its name. Suggestion that now is called Chelmer Institute of
>>higher Education. One of my fellow uni administrators needs to know for a
>>qualification check.
>
>Your suggestion is certainly wrong. A "polytechnic" would be
>rated more prestigious than an "Institute of Higher Education",
>if anything the renaming would be the other way round. Are you
>sure that is not in fact the case with your qualification check
>(was Chelmer, is now Anglia). On the other hand, following a
>recent piece of legislation, polytechnics have been allowed
>to call themselves "Universities", and as this is even more
>prestigious, most (all?) of them have had a name change
>to <something> University. A number of institutions have successively
>changed from "Institutes of Higher Education" to "Polytechnics" to
>"Universities" within five years or so, each change involving
>nothing more than a few new signs being painted and a change in
>headed notepaper. So it may well be "was Chelmer, then Anglia,
>then ... (maybe just Anglia University)".

It still exists, it has just had "University" tagged on the end
of the name: it is now called "Anglia Polytechnic University",
and has campuses in Cambridge, Colchester and some other parts
of Essex. The Cambridge part is the old Cambridge College
of Arts and Technology (CCAT): the basis for Fenland Tech
as immortalised in the Wilt books. I wonder if "Meat 3"
still exists????

Martin

---
"You might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment"

Martin Baines, Sales Support Manager,
Sun Microsystems Ltd, 306 Science Park, Cambridge, CB4 4WG, UK
Phone: +44 223 420421                 Fax: +44 223 420257
JANET:     Martin.Baines@uk.co.sun    Other UK:  Martin.Baines@sun.co.uk
Internet:  Martin.Baines@UK.sun.com
X.400:     g=martin s=baines prmd=sunir admd=mci c=us
From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Election Day 1992: We FINALLY had the COURAGE to CHANGE!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: ::::: LIVERPOOL NEWS :::::
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Is there anyone out there in scouseland who wouldn't mind posting NON-FOOTBALL
news L'pool once a week?  It would be greatly appreciated.  In return, I'd be
more than happy to send out New York news.  

Thanks in advance,
Jesse
.............................................................................

4 July 1776: Americans liberate themselves from the oppressive King George

3 Nov. 1992: Americans liberate themselves from the oppressive King George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:57:28 GMT

In article <1dpgscINN633@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: 
> In article <1992Nov10.100309.16253@osf.org>, sp@osf.org writes:
> > In article <A.Grant.23.721334628@ucs.cam.ac.uk>, A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
> > > There is a good
> > > argument for having _some_ religious representation in the government, and
> > > unless you pick the single blandest, most neutral and moderate group, where
> > > do you stop?  Earth Goddess worshippers?  David Icke?
> > 
> > Would you like to explain what that is, because I can't even think of a
> > feeble excuse, let alone a good argument.
> 
> Because people want it?

That might be a good argument if there was a scrap of evidence that it
were true.

Simon

-- 
  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
  2 Avenue De Vignate				Email: sp@gr.osf.org
  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:24:35 GMT
	<1deircINN7jo@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1deircINN7jo@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

   Did Kohl's party get an absolute majority of the popular vote
   in the last election?   How about the election before that?

   How about any German Chancellor back to Adenauer?

They have these weird things called "coalitions", remember?

   How about Bill Clinton?

They're cursed by the "First Past The Post" voting system, too.  In the case
of a Presidential election it seems a bit more reasonable though, since you
can't really have a coalition of two Presidents, one taking two-thirds of the
decisions and the other one-third...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Driving on the other side (was Re: Salaries+cost of living in UK)
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:01:37 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <28590012@hpldsla.sid.hp.com>, ssouth@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Steve
South) writes:
>/ hpldsla:soc.culture.british / pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson) /  2:00
pm 
> Oct 29, 1992 /
>
>Uh, hold on a minute.  Americans "all" have this "blind admiration and
>praise" for the Prez?   Gee, I guess I'm the **only** American of voting
>age who will be casting a vote for Clinton instead of the lying scumbag.
>
>
>Hmmmm. I have found it hard not to get the "blind admiration" impression too.
>Clearly "all" is wrong, but the extent of unthinking patriotism is
>frightening to a Brit like me.
>
>Steve South.
w
[%/@[}}Ai

"blind admiration" is not universal by any means but it is a salient feature of
a certain segment of our population (dare I label them the less educated right
wingers?).  What is truely remarkable is to now watch these people who all
voted against Clinton support him simply because he is the president and "this
has got to be respected".  Sheesh!

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
From: jhill@bucknell.edu (Jackson Hill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: The Archers--Beginners' Guide ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:58:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Bucknell University
NNTP-Posting-Host: macg23.bucknell.edu


Would the individual who posted the Archers Beginner's Guide some time back
please repost it or e-mail a copy to me?  The original was gone by the time
I saw later references to the earlier posting.  Thanks.   JH.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:49:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <BxFKu4.3Dv@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU writes:
> >
> Several, at least, of these laws were passed after
> periods during which it became clear they were needed (I
> cannot think of a good way of expressing this). That is,
> injustices were perpetrated and people thought of a new
> principle, a constitutional principle, which would prevent
> *this set* of injustices from occurring again. We proceed
> in an evolutionary manner, you see. Further, while none of
> these laws binds successor Parliaments, those Parliaments
> interfere with this set of laws at their peril.

I think Tim makes a key point here.   The American
Constitution was also passed in order to clear up a set of
perceived abuses, was also based on the accumulated wisdom
of English Constitional procatice, and was also intended to
guard against abuses that the Founding Fathers (tm) could
forsee.

Americans don't know enough history, and imagine that this
was a unique event.   Yet when James II fled England in
1688, the then Parliament, declaring that there was not
merely a change of Monarch, but that the throne was
actually vacant, called a Convention - the word
"convention" should ring a few bells - and at this
Convention they drew up a Declaration - and "Declaration"
should also ring a bell or two - which they then used to
confront the presumptive candidate for King, Prince William,
later William III.

William III didn't "grant' anything to anyone.   He was in
no position to do so, since he wasn't yet King.   He was
told that the Convention would support his candidacy for
King, but that this - "this" being the Declaration - was
the deal.   Take it or leave it.   He took it, Parliament
then passed the Convention into Law as the Bill of Rights,
and the result is that the Monarchy itself, and its powers,
and the right of succession, are defined by that
Convention.   Parliament, on the other hand, defines itself
and its powers, and has done since the fourteenth
century.   Which is cool with me, since Parliament is us.

If it wasn't that our history goes back so far, we would
probably call the people who made up this Convention our
Founding Fathers.

jon.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15796 soc.culture.celtic:7307
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:56:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov12.210917.19076@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

   c) Personally, I am on the fence. My view is that lallans is merely old
   english with bits from gaelic, fressian, and norse thrown in, and that
   any grammer differences that do exist are because the grammer that is
   associated with lallans is old english. Consequently, if the "world
   village" had not appeared I believe that lallans would have become a
   different language (e.g. spanish and portugese), however, now it has
   become a "super" dialect (less than a language but more than a dialect).

I think "Lallans" is generally taken to mean the artificial Scots used by
Hugh MacDiarmid.  Also, one of the heaviest influences on Scots has been from
French, from the centuries of French domination of Scotland.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Private Uni's
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:47:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1dmt76INNplh@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.101148.13305@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk writes:
>> As for the Scottish ones,
>> once again I wrote "English" meaning "English". It is amazing
>> how the Scots will whinge if you use it to mean "Scotland" as
>> well, but if you use it correctly they'll *still* whinge
>> because they won't realise you've used it to deliberately used
>> Scotland and can't resist getting in a "you're wrong because in
>> Scotland ...".
>
>I think we're into pre-emptive or even recursive whingeing here.
>
>jon.

No in fact Jon we're into presumptive whingeing here.

Just because a post comes from a site in Scotland does not mean that the
sender is Scottish.

Nor does it mean that the poster is Scottish if he wants to inform the
readers of s.c.b about old Scottish Universities to counter the
predominate English bias of s.c.b.  Merely that he wishes readers to
know that there are other centuries-old universities in these islands
than just the Oxbridge pair.

	Yours etc

		British meaning British Matt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:28:27 GMT

In <4NOV199204002647@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:


>It's true, I dislike Canada a great deal.

>Laurence

I'm certain that the feeling is mutual, Mr. Godfrey, but for my
part you have my pity. Being so filled with hate and getting
one's jollies in such a pitifully childish fashion indicates
a truely sad life.

Bob.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: Lyrics to the Ring
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:41:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.171052.7815@rz-berlin.mpg.de> gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Struan Gray) writes:

>  Sorry Guy, I can only remember the bit where Elmer goes:
>
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wab-bit!

Which, of course, does scant justice to the beauty and power of
Wagner's original words, which were

	Ho jo to ho
	Ho jo to ho
	Heia ha, heia ha
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why Berwick-upon-Tweed?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:13:08 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <NIKOLAY.92Nov9214111@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>I found the following passage in George III's proclamation
>of October 30, 1776, for a general fast in connection with
>his planned suppression of the American Revolution:
>
>	...That a public fast and humiliation be observed
>	throughout the part of our Kingdom of Great Britain
>	called England, our dominion of Wales, and town of
>	Berwick upon Tweed, upon the Friday the 13th of 
>	December next, that so both we and out people may
>	humble ourselves before Almighty God,.....etc.
>
>My question is, what is so special about Berwick-upon-Tweed?
>Why is it mentioned separately?

It spans the border with Scotland. Berwick Rangers FC is actually in
but plays in the Scottish League.

I've never heard it mentioned separately before. But they always used to
say "Wales and Monmouth"!
>
>Philip Nikolayev
>nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: English Terms (40's, 50's,'60's)
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:18:39 GMT

John Harrelson (jharrel@domo.claremont.edu) wrote:
> 
> Help, please...
> TeddyBoy= male, bad boy 
> Mod= ? 
> Rocker= ? 
> FEMALE ROLE NAMES, please...

1. Bird
2. Bird
3. Bird

Imaginative, n'est-ce pas?

--
||I dreamed I met a Yadallean          |(parody in progress, apologies to
||A most confusing man....             | Tim Rice & Andrew Lloyd Webber)
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||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.034654.128422@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
>
>Simple Question: Did the Tories get more votes than Labour? Simple Answer:
>Yes, therefore they have the right to govern. 

Unfortunately that's not how our system works -- otherwise we'd have
had a Tory government in February 1974.

--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk