HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca (David Ross)
Subject: Re: 3.0 kills itself
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:34:29 GMT

In article <1a7j72INN6gu@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark  
Adler) writes:
>
..
> but the dock of applications on the right, I used command-` to get the
> "restart or power-down" prompt.   This worked, appeared to power off
> the machine correctly, including ejecting the OD.
> 
> Then I try to power back on.  The whole process seems to work fine
> (the hard disk was clean from the power off), up to it saying "boot
> complete" or somesuch.  But no login window.  The messages window
> stayed up, and no mouse arrow appeared.  (I have the "verbose" boot
> option set on my rom, so I was able to see the boot process get
> rather far.)
> 
> Any ideas?

YES!  This exact thing has now happened on two of the machines we've  
upgraded here.  One was done using Upgrade.app and one was a build.  The  
Upgraded one showed these symptoms right away, but the built one worked  
for a while - and also similar - the machine had to be restarted via  
Cmd-`.  It started behaving exactly the same way - the normal boot process  
finishes (ie. /etc/rc finishes), then when the WindowServer and  
loginwindow are supposed to run, nothing happens (ie. the screen stays  
with the console window) and the machine is hung.

Help NeXT or somebody!
--
David A. Ross, Programmer Analyst  | dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca
Computing and Network Services     |  (NeXTmail welcome)
352 Gen Serv Bldg, Univ of Alberta | Phone: (403) 492-9339
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  T6G 2H1 | Fax:   (403) 492-1729
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische)
Subject: Re: NS3.0 FloppyDisk Eject Problem
Reply-To: uunet!lkba!lkb
Organization: LKB Associates, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:07:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.044536.23554@udel.edu> stark@superc.che.udel.edu  
(Scott M. Stark) writes:
> 
> As yet another data point on the cause of floppy disk eject
> problems, I had the same problem until I quit autolaunching
> the QuickStart dock extender.  It appears that common denominator
> in the disk problem are autolaunched dock extender's.
> 
> Scott
> --

I just found that auto-launching Librarian was causing my DOS floppy disk  
eject problem.  I say DOS because that's all I've tried.

Larry Blische
uunet!lkba!lkb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: NetInfoMgr -- could this be right?
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:46:49 GMT

In article <3OCT199209510709@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov>
	silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes:
>If I remember what actually happened yesterday (just after I hosed the
>printcap for my local_printer), I saw the following (unexpected)
>behavior in the NetInfoManager App.  It appears that one can delete
>entries from the 'printers' domain (and perhaps other domains?) 
>WITHOUT having to give the root password.
>
>To modify values, etc., does require root permission (it will ask
>for root password if you launch NetInfoMgr as some ordinary user).
>
>Can this opportunity to delete printers possibly be correct?  Or, have 
>I just a bad memory of what actually happened?

It's, um, a "feature"--just like it's a feature that you can plug
in the machine for the first time, get automatically logged into
a "me" Workspace with enough access permissions to wreak all
sorts of havoc.  Just like those "personal" computers we all know
and hate.

Of course, in the Real World of multiple users and globe-spanning
networks, that kind of "openness" might not be such a good thing.
(At least NeXT doesn't ship with "+ +" in /etc/hosts.equiv!)

Read the section titled "Securing Printer and Fax Addition" in
/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/14_Security/01_Implementing.rtfd

					-=EPS=-
-- 
If you've just purchased 2,500 computers to run NeXTSTEP, you've
helped create jobs!  (If it takes only 10 minutes to secure each
machine, that's over 2 1/2 months for someone working full time!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson)
Subject: Re: Help needed connecting Supra 14.4 for dialin/out [NO RESPONSES]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.082525.24832@netcom.com> jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins) writes:
>wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) sayz:
>>I just got a SupraFAXModem 14.4k to replace a Hayes 9600 v.42.  I had
>>dialin/dialout working just fine, but now dialin is screwed.  I tried
>>a few things.. but does someone out there already have the Supra working
>>for dialin/out and can send me the config/settings?
>>
>>I am using a turbo color station w/040 modem cable from NeXTconnection.
>
>Please post the solution.  I have the same machine and modem and problem. :-(
>Eric, if you get mail, please please mail it to me.  :-)
>
>++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com


I've gotten nothing but requests for any info I get.  Looks like we're
all stuck.  <What a bitch.>  Might as well ask.. does anyone know if
getting the Supra fax driver from Total System Software will remedy
this problem?

Eric
From: cpf8k@virginia.edu (Chris Fall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: one more mail problem
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

here is a summary:
we're on a university ethernet system and use netinfo and nfs under 3.0

the /usr/spool/mail and /NextLibrary/People/Images directories mount correctly 

the system sends mail out correctly

the mail server recieves mail and places it into /usr/spool/mail

command line Mail works fine

the problem is this: 
 no user except root on the mailserver is able to retrieve mail using Mail.app

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Chris Fall
cpf8k@virginia.edu
From: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: NetInfoMgr -- could this be right?
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:44:07 GMT
Reply-To: amm@NeXT.COM (Alan M. Marcum)

Dick Silbar writes
> ...It appears that one can delete
> entries from the 'printers' domain (and perhaps other domains?) 
> WITHOUT having to give the root password.

This is correct.  Note the value of the _writers property in the
domain's /printers directory.  A star here means anyone may
write this directory.

See Chapter 14, "Security," in the 3.0 SysAdmin book (currently
available only on-line, in /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin;
Addison-Wesley is very close to publishing the book, at long
last).
--
Alan M. Marcum
NeXT Tech Support
amm@NeXT.COM
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:49:37 EDT
From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject:    NS3.0 install on a 100MB disk

I tried installing NS 3.0 on a NeXTStation 105, but had trouble during
the final reboot.  Panics and all sorts of nice stuff.  Apparently, the
disk became full albeit that it had 18MB free and a swap file of about
21MB before install (with 20MB RAM).  Given that all the peripheral files
were not installed, I am not sure where 20MB disappeared (usr/lib???)

In addition, why did the disk corrupt and a panic ensue while I was
doing the install from the CD-ROM.  Is the install 105 Script suspect?
I have done 250MB and 400Mb installs without a problem, so I am just
wondering why 105 does not work.

Help would be greatly appreciated.  I had to learn ed all over again ;-)
From: asp@chem.ucsd.edu (Alexander S. Polinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Need help installing ZyXEL U-1496E modem
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:04:14 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemi3.ucsd.edu

Hi everyone,

I am looking for help trying to install ZyXEL U-1496E
modem (still with 2.1 OS). First of all, I have already
tried FAQ, read all documentation including that coming
with OS 3.0, and even sent several messages to an active
participant of modem-discussions on this group, Tom Marchioro,
who helped me with my initial stupid questions (thanks, Tom).
My apologies if these problems have been already discussed
here - I don't have regular access to Internet.

I still can't make this modem work with my NeXT cube (68040).
Here is what I have done.

1. I put the following line into my /etc/remote:

modem|Dial-out on cufa at 9600 baud:\
       :pa=none:dv=/dev/cufa:br#38400:\
        :el=^C^S^Q^U^D:ie=%$:oe=^D:

2. In in /etc/ttys I put

ttyda   "/usr/etc/getty D9600"          dialup          on

3. After reboot, I opened Terminal window and typed "tip modem".
If I do it for the first time after rebooting, I get "connected"
in the window, and after that tip does not react on anything,
whatever I type is not echoed on the screen, and the only way to
get out is to close the window. Now, if I open another window and
type "tip modem", no "connected" is received, and tip suspends again.
I found that instead of rebooting I can remove the lock file from
/usr/spool/uucp/LCK. Then I am getting the "connected" response,
but tip still suspends. Very similar things happen if I try to dial
some number with tip - it always suspends.

Here is what I checked:
1. I checked wiring in the cable - it corresponds exactly
to what is described in the Manual for 68040.
2. I brought the modem back to the store, they connected it to
a PC with some communication software, and the modem worked fine
with no special configuring. The only difference I noticed
was that when they connected the modem to their serial port
and turned it on, the following LED indicators were on: 
HS(high speed), DTR, DSR, CTS and EC(error correction).
When I connect the modem to the NeXT, same indicators are on
except DTR.
3. I decided that my serial port might be broken. I was lucky
to find a person with a Cube who was kind enough to try my modem
on his machine. The result was exactly the same as I had on mine.
BTW, he had 3.0 installed.

I don't know what to think and what to try next. Is there anybody
who is using this modem? Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?
I am not going to use the FAX part of the modem. Do I still need
some special driver? Thanks in advance

Alex Polinsky
Chemistry Dept
UCSD
apolinsky@ucsd.edu
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: Fast find won't in 3.0
In-reply-to: woo@ornl.gov's message of Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:52:14 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:35:44 GMT

In preparation for the update to 3.0 (and the news that find stopped
working), i got and compiled gnu find3.07.  Except from a slighly
different directory structure  (find.codes is now kept in
/usr/local/lib/locate)it works fine.  One caveat however: if you have
NFS mounted disks, it may be necessary to remove these from the
updatedb script; otherwise the sorting and hashing may fill up an
already swol;len swapfile. 

--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: chown under 3.0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:30:02 GMT

louie@ni.umd.edu (Louis Mamakos) writes:

>The solution is configure an entry in /etc/fstab and wherever the hell
>it goes in netinfo for that file system.

Well, you needn't put it in netinfo...the netinfo fstab map is only
read for type nfs filesystems, as type 4.3 filesystems are already
mounted by /etc/rc before netinfo is even running. (at least in 2.1...)
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette)
Subject: Re: Printer in 3.0?
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:51:02 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.184124.4242@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> I wrote:
> In article <}$#@byu.edu> yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep22.163029.5016@ornl.gov>,
> > woo@ornl.gov(John W. Wooten) writes:
> > >
> > >What happened to my Printer?
> > 
> > I don't know, but it happened to me, too.
> 
> Well, I have a lot of stuff in my netinfo database (users,
> NFS stuff, printers, etc) , and it would be a major drag
> to have to rebuild it all. So, could someone with 3.0
> and a working NeXT printer e-mail me the results of
> YourPrompt> nidump printcap .
> so that I can niload it and get my printer back?

First of all, thanks to the many people that sent me their
printcap info. But it didn't work. I got the Local_Printer in
print panels, but trying to print resulted only in an error
message to lpd-errs ("Driver class not set in printer entry").

I finally had to nidump all my user, group, nfs, hosts, etc.,
info; copy the template netinfo database from
/usr/template/etc/netinfo; and niload everything back.

MAJOR hassle. And it's going to be even worse for people who
have a lab of machines...

Anyhow, I can finally print to my NeXT printer.
--
Pascal "The Rascal" Gaudette       pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca
MacNUG president                      | *NeXTmail encouraged* 
graduate student, McMaster university | Je ne suis pas infaillible.
Physics and astronomy dep.            | Vive le Quebec LIBRE!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: cpf8k@virginia.edu (Chris Fall)
Subject: NeXTMail not accepted
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:58:22 GMT

mail from both inside and outside our next cluster gets sent into the  
/usr/spool/mail directory on our mailserver, but it doesn't get distributed to  
anyone after that (except the root on the server). sending works fine. ant  
advice?

in a separate but related problem, the /usr/spool/mail and  
/LocalLibrary/People/Images won't mount per the mail instructions. I get an RPS  
authentication error and the clients give up. 

thanks in advance...
Chris Fall
cpf8k@virginia.edu  (not NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: hoskins@tds.com (Lianne Hoskins)
Subject: Need Sendmail advice 
Organization: Trident Data Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:03:00 GMT

  
I need to make a modification to sendmail for one of our networks.  I was  
under the impression that it could be done via the config file, but now it  
looks like I'll have to modify the sendmail code and remake it.

My problem is that we have no sourcecode for the sendmail NeXT uses.  Can  
I get this from NeXT or should I just ftp the right version from Berkeley?

If anyone has tweaked with sendmail yet, I'd love to confer with you.  For  
this particular situation, we want to restrict certain machines from  
sending nonlocal mail.  The sendmail file I need to modify is conf.h, the  
routine is CHECKCOMPAT.

Any hints, large or small would be warmly welcomed.

`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
Lianne Hoskins   hoskins@tds.com  <-- NeXT Mail
                 (if that bounces, try lianne@csulb.edu)
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Can't get photorealistic rendering working
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:37:18 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: stephen.cs.ubc.ca

Check out the file /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/ReleaseNotes/N3DKit.rtf,
third note from the bottom under "Known Problems."

I also have a standalone machine, which I renamed to "bowen" using
HostManager.app.  I then noticed that PR printpanel didn't know who
localhost was.  So I created an alias in /etc/hosts like so:

127.0.0.1	bowen localhost

and loaded the new /etc/hosts into NetInfo by doing:

# niload hosts . </etc/hosts

Now it seems to work.  Someone please correct me if there is
a better way to do this!

...Stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: NeXTMail not accepted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:21:32 GMT

cpf8k@virginia.edu (Chris Fall) writes:

>in a separate but related problem, the /usr/spool/mail and  
>/LocalLibrary/People/Images won't mount per the mail instructions. I get an RPS  
>authentication error and the clients give up. 

Did you edit the /etc/exports file on the server to include those
directories so that they would get exported to the clients?
If so, have you rebooted the machine or started all of the various
daemons necessary for exporting filesystems via NFS by hand? 
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: oddity with man pages in 3.0 -- RESOLVED
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mpx2.30SEP199212532780
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I had written (last night?):
---------------------------

I am responsible for two NeXTs in our group, my cube and the secretary's
TurboStation.  Yesterday I upgraded both to 3.0 and the following peculiar
situation has arisen with respect to man pages, e.g., "man ls".

Actually, it arose before yesterday, when I discovered that I no longer
could find man pages entries already last week.  That is because, to
save disk space on our two machines, we NFS-mount the NextLibrary/-
Documentation directory on both machines from another NeXTstation down the
hall in T-8, another group.  I soon learned that T-8 had already upgraded
to 3.0 last week.  Since the man pages were moved around some between 2.x
and 3.0, it was no surprise the entries could not be found.  But I expected
this problem to go away when I did _our_ upgrades.

Not quite the case.  In fact, if I remember correctly, neither my machine
nor Rachel's could find the man pages entries as of yesterday afternoon,
after the upgrades were complete.

The mystery compounds: later that evening, when signed on to my machine
remotely (from home), I tried (without much hope) once again a "man ls".
To my surprise, it worked (and it still does)!

Oh ho!, I said, Paul (the T-8 system administrator) must have fixed 
something earlier this evening.  Good!, but maybe I'll just check that 
"man" also works on Rachel's machine?  That's where the real mystery
comes in -- it DOESN'T!

Anybody have any clues as to what's going here?  

--------------------------------------------------

paul kim (pkim@cory.berkeley.edu) and (essentially the same) Magnus 
Nordborg <magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU> responded with:

I believe you need the /usr/man directory linked to the
/NextLibrary/Documentation/ManPages directory.  E.g.,

localhost> ln -s /NextLibrary/Documentation/ManPages /usr/man

---------------------------------------------------

To which I say:

Yes!.  In fact, for some reason, the secretary's machine had no /usr/man file
at all (but mine did, and it was already linked).

Question: why didn't the upgrade package make this link for me?

Thank you, Paul and Magnus.

   Dick Silbar
From: rob@facl.mcgill.ca (Robert Macfarlane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: RARP server daemon available?
Keywords: RARP
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:27:15 GMT
Reply-To: rob@facl.mcgill.ca
Followup-To: poster
Organization: McGill University

Howdy,

Is anybody running a RARP server on their NeXT?  If so, could you tell me  
where you got the source (I've found umpteen versions using archie, but  
don't know which one(s) will easily compile on the NeXT).

Thanks in advance,

Rob Macfarlane
Faculty of Arts Computer Lab
McGill University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: mckelvey@suite.com
Subject: Re: chown under 3.0
Reply-To: mckelvey@suite.com
Organization: Suite Software, Anaheim CA.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:12:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.005224.25329@lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.002311.8323@ni.umd.edu> louie@ni.umd.edu  
> (Louis Mamakos) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep28.214104.25073@lsa.umich.edu>  
> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes:
> > >In article <28SEP92.15351318@enh.nist.gov> aoml@enh.nist.gov  
> > >writes:
> > >> We just add a new hp drive purchased from TECOR, when ever  
> we  
> > >change the onwership of user's files, the whole disk's  
> ownership  
> > >randemly changed back to one
> > >> of our user after few seconds.
> > >> 
> > >>         The command I use is chown -R directory-name
> > >> 
> > >>         With -R option, chown seem not only going decending  
> > >but also going
> > >> up to the whole disk.
> > >> 
> > >>         has anybody experienced that problem ?
> > >>         We are using 2 NeXT stations trubo clolrs on a  
> small  
> > >network
> > >> 
> > >> aoml,Ying-Yuang Chen
> > >
> > >The same thing happened to me with my Fujitsu drive.  I was  
> > >running 3.0 beta PR2 when it happened, so I decided to wait  
> for  
> > >the official release before I tried to figure out what was  
> going  
> > >on.  
> > 
> > Yes, don't allow the workspace to auto-mount the disk.  When  
> it does,
> > the file system is mounted such the each file appears to be  
> owned by
> > the user that's currently logged in.  If you think about it,  
> that's
> > the correct behaviour for removable media such as a floppy.
> > 
> > The solution is configure an entry in /etc/fstab and wherever  
> the hell
> > it goes in netinfo for that file system.
> > 
> > louie
> 
> Well my fstab entry says
>   /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1
>   /dev/sd1a /Users 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 2
> 
> As far as I can tell from the documentation, this is what I'm  
> supposed to say. 
> 

You don't want "noauto" except for the boot disc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Make it Cheap
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:52:12 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>Let's get one thing clear here. NeXT does not offer great academic discounts.
>The discount is variable, secretive and related to sales in particular
>schools. None of their competitors does that.
> 
>HP, DEC, IBM, etc...and even Apple offer better discounts where I happen to
>work (which is the largest university in Canada). Wonder why there are few
>NeXT's here?

From what I'm told, at least HP and possibly Apple have similar
graduated discount schemes.  Who knows how IBM decides what prices
to give to an educational institution... 

And how do you define 'better discounts'?  Does that mean that the
Quadra 950 is cheaper than the NeXTStation Turbo because it is a
slower (~approx. same speed? - it's got the same chip) machine?  Or
percentwise? 
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
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