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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: ROTTING in the DEPTHS of ETERNAL DAMNATION!
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:51:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>  The problem is that you cannot simply OR an image to the screen. First
>>you have to AND the screen bitmap with a mask, and then OR your image
>>into the screen bitmap. With the Amiga blitter this can be done in one
>>blit, while the Atari blitter would have to run two passes. I.e:
>>
>>  Amiga :  Dest = Image + (Dest * Mask)  ( D = A + BC )
>>
>>  Atari :  Dest = Dest * Mask
>>           Dest = Dest + Image
>>
> 
>  You're right.  I've been looking through the Amiga Hardware Reference
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  HEY!  What is this!  Traders!  Scum!  This is so very un-c.s.a.a like
  that I am about to blow chunks big time! 

  You guys are just sitting there, dripping with honey... being so sweet!
  
  Come on... Everybody knows that you cant just say "You're right!"
  You have to bash.  Bash *HARD*!  For this is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, where
  the weak (and the sweet) die horrably and rot in the depths of eternal
  pergatory, only to be released when their flesh as decayed off their now
  heat bleached bones showing their true inner weaknesses for the rest of
  all eternity!  Get a life!

  So what if the Amiga blitter is better than the ATARI's, fight back!  Bring
  up something else... like DSP, or better yet... faster assemblers running
  on the ST!  Throw in some PC arcitectural junk.  Confuse the subject.   Get
  a little Macintosh garbage in there!

  You guys are talking like they do in comp.sys.amiga.hardware!


      :)     Just feeling a little obnoxious this morning         (:

Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:01:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.143209.4293@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.210439.28123@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>My question is this: given that I'm going to be doing heavy scientific
>>>computing, but I also really _love_ to play good games (particularly flight
>>>sims), what computer should I buy?  Should I go with the OS I like and know,
>>>in the Amiga, or should I go for the lower-priced, better supported PC clones?
>>
>>	I'd say get the Dell 66/486DX2, but add 4 more meg of ram so you can 
>>  run OS2 2.0.  That way you can have it all, great OS, great support, and
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>			                       ^^^^^^^^
>
>Oh, you mean the pre-release of Windows NT?  Or do you mean waiting for the
>retail release?
>
>You don't mean DOS, Win3.1, or OS/2, do you?

Sheesh, don't be such a horse's ass.  Gregory G. Greene outright said
OS/2 2.0. Gimme a break.

Besides, 8 megs would proably run NT too slowly. :-)

> Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) ---- PUT YOUR HAND INSIDE THE PUPPET HEAD.
-- 
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:58:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
: I disagree.  The Atari BLiTTER is most definitely DMA.  A DMA device
: basically transfers memory from one location to another without the
: intervention of the CPU and the BLiTTER does exactly this.

I'm sorry, I had things pictured differently.  Under that context,
probably the best context to use, yes, it is DMA.  However, it appears
to do its own stuff, as if it itself was the DMA controller, and
that's why I didn't count it as USING DMA, because it appears that it
is doing the fetching itself.

Greg

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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:53:19 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: James_Mccoull


 JM> Will this thread about the Atari Blitter ever stop?

No, it will plague us forever... :)

 JM> IMHO even the amigas blitter outside of the A600 class of machines looks
 JM> weak today.  Hopefully the chipset after AGA will improve things a bit.

Hum, the standard ECS blitter manages at best about 4 MB/sec (less if lots of
DMA is stolen by Denise), does this mean that the AGA blitter manages 16 MB at
best (4 * 4 = 16...), or is the increased bandwidth in AGA only for video
(sounds unlikely)? Will other blitter operations be 4x faster? (Line draw: 4
million pixels/sec - GOSH!)
Finally, what's the speed of the ST(e)/Falcon blitter? I've got an Atari
friend (believe it or not!) who's just started programming in assembler, and
he's interested. If somebody knows this, please tell me. Thanks!


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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Resolution and Colors  Was: <None>
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:24:51 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Sep24.220047.28596@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <1992Sep24.071109.4326@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> That would be the case if you had a _palette_ of 64000 colors and you could
> select each palette entry from a larger (i.e. 24bit) range.
> The question is _what_ 64000 colors are needed.

	On a simple static scene, like a ray trace, you could calculate
	the image off line, load the colormap with the colors and display
	the image.  Is that how raytracers work?  I have rayshade but 
	haven't played with it.

	One hard part seems to be if you end up with more colors than you
	can handle, how do you choose the best colors and how to you
	remap the exact colors into the new colors.  If this is an elementary
	computer graphics question, I'd like to know the answer.

	BTW, There has probably been studies on the colors content of 
	'ordinary' pictures.  How many colors are typically present in an
	average picture/raytrace/portrait?  It is nice to say the Amiga
	doen't have enough colors or resolution but how much is really
	enough?  An example with the resolution question would be that
	the human eye can only discern 2 cycles/milliradian.  You could
	calculate the dpi required for a given viewing distance from the 
	monitor.  Assuming you don't scrunch up to the screen to see the
	icon or whatever, you don't really need any better resolution
	than that.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> Michael van Elst
> UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
> Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Robert.Bingham@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon/A4000 
Organization: Actrix Networks
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:51:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.091727.164713@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> Does anyone know if the blitter used in the falcon is the same as the Mega/STe
> series?
> 
> Russell.

After doing some reading in the Atari newsgroup, these descriptions of
the Falcon 030 capabilities were found --

The Falcon blitter is capable of 64 Megapixels/sec transfers.

Standard video mode is 640 by 480 with 256 colors 72 hz non-interlaced
and higher resolutions seem to be supported.

A 65,536 (16-bit) true color mode in resolutions from 320 by 200 up to
640 by 480 (NTSC) is also supported.

The video hardware is capable of overlay, genlock and chromakeying
(VGA/NTSC/PAL).

A SCSI-2 DMA port is included along with an internal IDE interface
(which uses the blitter for DMA tranfers).

Now if someone has the specs for the A4000 blitter and video hardware
then some reasonable comparison might be accomplished.  With both
the Falcon and A4000 running a 640 by 480 256 color display at 72 hz, how
much faster would the Amiga be at running comparable applications
(such as a term program, word processor)?  

How much faster is the A4000 blitter and hard disk transfers?

				
			
				

 
 	   				   


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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: PR Blunder of the Millennium!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 12:59:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.155334.3183@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> bnrmtl!groleau@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu writes:
>In article <DJOHNSON.92Oct1200242@cayenne.gac.edu>, djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu (Daniel P Johnson) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> The new issure of Time arrived in my mailbox today, accompanied by
>|> '(small) SPECIAL ISSUE: (big) BEYOND THE YEAR (*really* big) 2000 !!!
>|> What to expect in the new millennium.'  Some may say that it's too
>|> early to start slicing cocktail wienies, but apparently it's never too
>|> soon if you're an Executive Somesuch at Time and you're bored...
>|> [stuff deleted...]
>|> home in Sri Lanka, with Mars on the screen.'  I glance to the monitor
>|> behind him: Mars.  "Rmm... I wonder what kind IBM gave him for
>|> supplementing their supplement...rrr...I can *just* make out the
>|> monitor...COMMODORE!?!  1084???  Hey, whats that computer sitting next
>|> to it...an Amiga 3000!"  I sit back in my chair, chuckling.  The word
>|> OOPS flits through my mind.  "Somebody isn't going to be happy 'bout
>|> this..."  I wonder if there's anything else I would recongnize, after
>|> all, Clarke has a rather mischevious grin on his face...  Hmm...whats
>|> that purple sticker in the window....  'AMIGA FEVER'
>|> 
>|> 
>|> --  Daniel Johnson  djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu  --
>
>I remember some 6 years ago, there was a special Scientific American issue
>on Computing.  Again, it was all IBM "paid-for".  On one page, there was a 
>full color picture of some kids playing with a paint program.  You could
>easily recognize an A1000 with a C= monitor even though trademarks had been
>carefully "black-taped" out.
>
>I just wish C= do some advertising during the Babylon-5 show...
>

	I acn see it now. the thing that will blow the top off half the
.advocacy readers and writters. An add by apple in that Babylon
show :-) And informing the masses how you can do RayTracing and video
to prduce movies like .... Babylon :-) :-) (two for good measure :-)


>Francois Groleau      |Opinions are mine,|

	George
From: whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: whitcomb@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <david.02yv@ariane.cam.org> david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
>   The most awkward and ugly GUI?  HEEEEY!  Do you tell me here that GEM is
>nicer  than  Workbench  2.0?   Where  do  you buy your drug?  This greenish
>screen make me sick.

Then change the color!

>   Awkward?   GEM  doesn't  even allow two simultaneous windows of the same
>drive in the same time without useing third-parties solutions (like NeoDesk
>or  NewDesk).   

Of course it does.  Always has.  TOS V2.0 and higher have incorporated
most of NeoDesk's capabiities so one doesn't see NeoDesk advertised
much anymore.  I'm not going to try to defend the GEM interface, as I
use a 3rd party interface on my ST, but then I like Codehead's interface
better than any operator interface on any system I've used.

User interfaces are personal things...arguing about them is like arguing
over religeon.  Nobody's gonna convert anybody else.  Just try to get
your facts straight.
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb                    UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems              Delphi: JBWHIT
Raleigh, NC                          GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave's Sig/Music Taste
Date: 28 Sep 1992 08:17:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
: Heh.. Looks like daves choice in music has strayed from the B-52's to
: Metallica.. and from REM to... ???  

REM isn't something you stray to or from.  It's a state of mind, a way
of thought, and a damn good band.  REM isn't something that one
"replaces" with something else, though some of the new B-52's stuff
seems to stray a bit...

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: WOC Videotapes at FAUG
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:15:45 GMT

In article <BvK7s8.Ey3@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
>[]
>
>I'll be showing my videotapes of the Pasadena WOC at the next meeting of
>the First Amiga Users Group next Tuesday, October 5, at 7:30. It is held
>at HT Electronics, 275 N. Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale.

   Great.  That would be like watching old films of the Nazi Holocaust.

>"There is no problem too big that can't be solved with high explosives"-Rush
>
>Mike Smithwick - ames!zorch!mike

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toaster for Falcon?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <fapzfp#@rpi.edu> jamesb@rpi.edu writes:

(Please use your Return key!!!)

 >My roomate, an Atari user feels that the time is long overdue for New-Tek 
 >to cross over to other platforms. I calmly told him that the Toaster is 
 >dependant on the Amiga's unique architecture, but he wouldn't shut up. 
 >Can anybody settle this for us?

You're probably right. But as no-one outside NewTek really knows how their
hardware works, we can't give the final word.

 >He insists that the Falcon architcture is much too revolutionary for New-Tek 

Did he say "revolutionary"? Did I miss something? What? Where? Why?

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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Sep 21 1992
Date: 30 Sep 92  09:30:04

> Organization: 68K Software Development
> From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
> Message-ID: doiron.0evn@starpt.uucp
> Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> In article <1992Sep28.114200.28585@news.uit.no>
> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep25.185157.12184@lth.se>,
> > e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
> > writes:
> > >In article <9226916.974@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
> > >schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
> > >>I am struggling compsci student and are looking for generous rich
> people
> > >>to send me money to buy an A4000. I would like one because I can play
> lots
> > >>of really good games on it, and then I can say "I own an A4000"!
> > >
> > >Yeah, that goes for me too. So all you rich people,
> > >start sending me money!!!
> > >
> > >/Stefan (VERY,VERY,VERY poor student...)
> > >
> >
> > Hey! What about me? I'm freezing to death up here in the northern
> Norway.
> > Don't you feel sorry for me.
> >
> > /Espen (EVEN POORER student)
>
> Hey, what about me?  It's getting kind of chilly here in New England, and
> I'm so poort that I'm not even a student!  :)
>

Well, what about ME?  Its friggin' HOT here in California and I can't think
straight in this heat!  I'm so poor I'm considering becoming a student!  :D
All I need is for 3000 people to send me one dollar..  :)

 * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] *
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Stupid Re's
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:28:50 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Janne Pelkonen appears to think that the situation in Norway in 1939-41 has a
vital bearing on whether or not the Amiga is better than the Falcon - why?

CHANGE the SUBJECT TITLE if you're gonna go off on IRRELEVANT tangents!!!

-Eyvind (eyvind@lise.unit.no - Norwegian and proud of it)
From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: To all Amigans!!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:57:08 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: Rune_Hyldmo


 RH> To all Amigans!!!
 RH> That was fun....

Don't think so.

 RH> I guess I was pretty successful in making you angry. Great!

You're just pathetic, alright? Buzz off!

 RH> provokative (is that word right?). 

No. It's "provocative".

 RH> A guy from Finland wrote that they had Santa Claus there...

Not in this newsgroup at least!

 RH> Then he must have been kidnapped... He is originally from NORWAY you
 RH> see. Therefore I have called in Interpool and the Norwegian secret
 RH> service on the matter!!!        ^^^^^^^^^<--- One "o"!

< Angry system administrator: >
Hey! Who let you touch the terminal? Get away from there and go back cleaning
the toilets!

 RH> O.k so ATARI do not rule then... but hopefully they will soon.....

Keep dreamin', wierdo!

 RH> god I just hope I am writing that word right.

You could look it up...

 RH> See ya.... 

No thanks.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:51:48 GMT

wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

>Don't dream it. Buy it! That's exactly how the Atari Blitter works. It has
>three mask registers for the beginning, middle and end. If any of these
>masks has all the bits set, then the destination (as the second source)
>is not read.

Yes but we all know that the ST's blitter has about 4x less bandwidth/power
than the amigas blitter - so its a waste of time.
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: real falcon 030 specs
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:57:21 EST


JO>Arrgh. Should be pretty obivious from the 030<>040. I could have said that
JO>Falcon has 5+15=20 MIPS (030 + DSP).

 Saying the Falcon goes 20 mips is like saying the world is flat!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:55:33 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <35393@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.231339.8882@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>> HEY COMMODORE, PAY ATTENTION ...
> 
> Haven't we been fairly consistant about offering various upgrade paths
> in the past?  Typically these have been in the form of incentive
> discounts, but they seem fairly popular at the time, eh?
> 
	Mr. Robins,

	What will be the upgrade incentive path(s) to move to an A4000?
	My dealer does not seem to know of any yet, and I'm fixing to
	get an A4000 and want to get the best deal possible.
 
> Also please note that we have put substantial effort into maintaining
> a degree of upward compatibility in the expansion slots, video slots

	Will an A2091 with 5.92 roms work in the A4000?

> cpu slots, video and other connectors.  If we made everything plug
> compatible with the A500 or A1000 or A2000 the systems would be more
> expensive, non-competitive and we'd get slammed on styling.
> 
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:09:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
:  When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
: as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
: on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
: slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       

A few tenths of a megahertz isn't going to make THAT kind of
difference.  I think it probably belongs under the "due to
unbelievably slow disk access" category.  However, I think you'd have
seen quite a difference with Fast ram.

And comparing assembler and hl language compilers is a little rough.
Hell, with SAS C resident I can get things done in amazingly short
amounts of time.  I used to do it under the 2000, and that was STILL
blazingly fast with everything resident.

Greg

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