HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.042705.20619@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:

[ ]
>
>SX makes a *HELL* of a difference. An SX machine has a 16-bit data bus 
>with a 32-bit CPU. Sort of cuts bandwidth down as bit, as I'm sure you can 
>imagine.

No, there's a 32 bit data path. You are thinking of the 386sx. The advantage
of a 486sx is cost and the fact that you can put in a doubler to get you
to 50MHz at the same time as regaining a math coprocessor.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: banks@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Corey Banks)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Keywords: Ugly
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:43:20 GMT

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <mac1.718664304@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>>  Good, you too admitted that its UGLY.
>Hell, I admitted that WEEKS ago.  ;D

[snip]

>But C=, fire those case designers.  ;D  It looks like you hired a
>Cubist or a Picasso freak.  :)

  Now that is a great idea.  I've always wondered why you coldn't have a
round,  or even better an non regular shaped computer (Apart from it rolling
off the table that is)

>> Hey I never criticised what was inside it or if it was functional or not
>> I am just saying that maybe they should redesign its shape, maybe something
>> like NeXT or something. 

>Maybe NOT.  ;)  The last thing I want is a pizzabox or big black cube
>taking up the good majority of my desktop.  That may work for
>workstations, but not for PC's.  :)

  But I wan't a big black cubic pizzabox taking up ALL of my desktop!

>> "Jerk its not PC compatible" I was a little upset. " Looks like one to me "
>> he remarked. Well that forced me to post this article. 

>He's got a point.  Then again, how different do you expect it to look?
>All computers are at least SOMEWHAT similar, unless you get into the
>really abnormal-looking Mac line.

>No knocks here--The Mac IIx was really neat looking.

  Well I just wan't a Mac Plus to turn into a fish bowl!

[snip]

>> IMHO a number of these computers look much better than A4000.       
>> Decstations are kinda cool. ( My opinion ofcourse )

>I'd say.  I think some of those workstations are just plain UGLY.  The
>NeXT is cool, but I'm a big fan of black.  Hell, I bought a black Bell
>& Howell Apple II on a whim, once upon a time, to sit next to my Apple //c.

  I love black as well (hey paint your Amiga black it looks great ).  I
posted a while back about the colour of the Amiga range,  and what I want
to know is can I put an A4000 into a really groovy black IBM PC case?

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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Nonsense, ignore (WAS Re: Struggling trickle-down-economy...)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:29:40 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct12.011715.6761@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) wrote:
>Looking at both of your .sigs, I'll also add that you should keep all 
>religious nonsense should be kept out of .advocacy.  Not everyone needs
>a mythical being to explain away all the mysteries and to provide excuses
>for one's mistakes.
>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
      ^^^^^

And I would thank you, Kind Sir, if you would refrain from such scatalogical
ejaculations in this forum in future. :-)
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Amigas(not 4000)?
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:44:59 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct15.163858.26350@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 2) SCSI-adaptor: I agree it would be nice... but someone mentioned 
>    Commodore did a survey (??) and realised that a lot of people didn't
>    really need to have more than 1 harddisk.  Though that might not 
>    be true, but if Commodore really did the survey...  besides, a lot
>    of people probably have IBM (IDE) harddisks lying around somewhere..
>    say from their ex-AT clones.  It might be nice for them to be able
>    to use those drives on their Amiga.

	The problem is not with IDE per se.  In the clone market, there
	are tape drives and other peripherals that attach to the floppy
	controller or parallel port etc.  This is just not true on the 
	Amiga.  Clones can get along fine with IDE.  The A4000 can not.

	As an aside I think IDE was a damn good IDE for the A600 or
	hypothetical A1200; not the A4000 ( I consider it a workstation ).

	One beef I've had with the clone market is every tape drive etc
	has its own controller card.  You buy a tape drive. Plug in its
	controller.  You buy a CD-ROM.  Plug in the controller.  Well,
	you get the picture.  This is a bad path for the A4000 IMHO.

> 
> 3) de-interlacer:  though some people keep complaining that the A4000
>    doesn't have a cure-all de-interlacer.  Nonetheless, have they

	I've finally figured out how to set up the video and the pro-
	motion feature.  It works great!  The A4000 does not need the
	de-iterlacer.  I must add that I don't have many games though,
	if that makes a difference.

>    even bother to think how much it would cost for a separate 
>    de-interlacing circuit?? looking at the amount of data it has
>    to buffer, it would cost much more than an A2000 de-interlacer.
>    An A2000 deinterlacer is about $200.  Think about how much an
>    A4000 one would cost.
> 
	One problem with the A4000 video ( and I think this is true in
	the A3000 as well ) is the screen 'jump' around every time the
	video switches modes.  i.e. you switch from a productivity screen
	to a low re screen and the picture jumps over a quarter-inch or so.

	I read once that this is a problem with multi-sync monitors.  Does
	anyone have more info on this?

> Kelvin
> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinons only **
******** Honest.  I will have a real sig some day *********
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:15:01 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <SUOPANKI.92Oct2184636@zombie.oulu.fi> suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:

>Q: Why I read c.s.a.a?
>A: It's the ultimate source of PC disinformation.

Yes, if the factual information for the Amiga was as dismal as it is for
PC's, I'd seek dis-information too.  After all, it can't get any worse,
right?
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter / Chris Green
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:44:43 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <00961FCC.F9FB8C00@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>[Chris Green's 68k hline fill macro deleted.]
>
>Great code! Commodore made a great move hiring this guy.

No they didn't, he's a useless bum, just like the rest of those idiots.
They should all be fired, the jerks.  Marc Barrett is right, C= sucks
and there's no hope for the future of the Amiga, and it's all thanks
to people like Chris Green and Dave Haynie.

I think I'll go and commit Barricide now.

Greg
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From: gregk@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Greg Koolbeck - RMS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:53:29 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>In article <54145@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1aascpINN3ci@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:
>>>In article <doiron.0evn@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep28.114200.28585@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
>>>>> In article <1992Sep25.185157.12184@lth.se>, e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>>>>>>In article <9226916.974@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:

>>	[I am poor, oh so poor, pleeeeze give me a free Amiga, my life
>>	is so tough, I have no tweezers, etc.]

>>	Right.

>>	You wimps don't know what "poor" IS.  If anybody deserves a free
>>A4000 due to financial constraints, it is I.

>Hah!  You think YOU'RE poor!  I work my fingers to the bone (ok, maybe that
>was the brick walkway I put in last weekend, but my fingers hurt nonetheless)
>trying to make neat new computers for you all, for the mere pittance C= pays
>its loyal senior engineers.  And I have a kid, wife, two dogs, and two cats
>to support out of this.

 I'll see you your two dogs and two cats, and raise you one child and a '76 Volvo.
And I bet C= supports its senior engineers a tad bit better than RMS pays its "mission-
critical support engineers." If not, you're WAY underpaid. :)

>What I really need need is a free trip to Australia next January.  Maybe when I
>get that, THEN you'll get you're STINKIN' audio improvements and modular 
>graphics chips!

 I'd settle for a forty-hour week or two this year. But then, no one's asking me to 
pass miracles. Well, maybe I'm wrong.

>>	So PLLEEEEEZE, Commodore, take pity on a loyal lost soul and
>>send me a free A4000 and maybe a box of "Wheaties."

>I used to eat Wheaties, but it never got me very far.  Beer and granola is the
>breakfast of champions.

 Beer and granola isn't too bad, but I'd say the real breakfast of champios is
cold, ten-year-old C-rations and last night's carbon remover, consumed while 
swatting "flies" (Cobras pretending to be Hinds) and popping caps on a combat
road march at the west side of the Fulda Gap. 
 That's the sort of thing I remember whenever I think things couldn't be worse, 
winter Reforger.

>-- 
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>              "I got a pocket full of kryptonite" -Spin Doctors

    MY opinions. RMS doesn't pay me to have opinions, and NASA budgets my salary as an
    "equipment expense."

    Greg Koolbeck
    Unix Systems Pesterer
    RMS Tech - NASA/GSFC

"It is a fact universally acknowledged, that a young man in posession of a large independence
 is in want of a wife." - J. Austen, _Pride_and_Prejudice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: anneu@edb.tih.no (Anne Kristine Ugedal,o92b)
Subject: Re: C64 sales (was re: blitter wars)
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:22:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.112146.59533@cc.usu.edu>, slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <Bvsx6r.FI2@news.udel.edu>, don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Various people write:
>> 
>>>> Could somebody please reveal who's actually buying the ageing
>>>>C64 computer?

My kid brother!

Anne Ugedal
From: jawil@hpx14.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ##### A1200 RELEASED NOVEMBER ##########
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:13:11 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

In article <26932@castle.ed.ac.uk>, barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>  I`m Pleased to say Commodore are finally getting there act together in a big way  here in Europe .
|> Although the A4000 has been annonunced in Europe it has no immediate sign of appearing BUT.... Commodore are releasing the A1200 in November which has almost the same technical spec    ie. AA chip set, High Density drives etc....
|> 
|> The Developer machines arrive nextweek and CBM are marketing it as the Ultimate Games Computer.
|> 
|> The price is 499 uk-pounds and they are shipping 25,000 units in the first four months of release. One point too make is that ATARI who have died here are selling the Falcon030 for ... you guessed 499-uk pounds.
|> 
|> The other development is the A600 Price which CBM are saying they want to drop too 199 uk-pounds, Aiming the A600 totally at the Games Market,
|> The Price is viable since its manufactured here in Scotland from Base up.
|> 
|> The Falcon Faggots can Flame all they want now !!!!


I hope this is true..
Since you seemed to be pretty good informed about this matter, here
are som questions that you might be able to answer:

Which prosessor will it have (68020?)
How much RAM will it be shipped with, and how big is the HD going to
be. (Speaking about the 499 pounds price offcourse..)

How can this machine be som much cheaper thean the A4000 when it
contains almost the same?

-- 
                               Jan Roger Wilkens
                     Student at Agder Engeeniering School
                               Computer Technics

                           EMail: jawil@hpx11.aid.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Finally an A3000 '040 Accelerator for < $1000 
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:49:47 GMT

History may indeed prove that the A4000 was the best thing to happen
to the A3000. In the November issue of AW, Creative Computers lists the
PP&S A3000 '040 accelerator at $829. One might justifiably argue that this
is an entry-level accelerator (synchronous design, no on-board RAM), but
the fact remains that for real-world applications, the price/performance
ratio of an '040 accelerated A3000 is quite good. With the $1499 promotional
price for the A3000, this offers an economical alternative to the A4000.

Now all we need is RTG.
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jokes on Politics... kill if you don't want to read it (Re: Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:30:25 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

mb writes:

>>   BTW, Clinton wants to raise taxes sky-high on foreign companies that do
>>business in the U.S.  Has it occurred to you that Commodore is a foreign
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>company?
  ^^^^^^^^
WHAT?  C='s a foreign (I take it you mean non-US) company?  What's THAT supposed
to mean?  (You're destroying the foundations of my faith here...).  Anyway, what
nationality IS C=?

-Eyvind

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From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:29:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct16.172211.11722@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> : David Tiberio (dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
> : : 
> : : 	Okay, Brad. If an Amiga 3000 LISTS at $1499, and sells easily for
> : : $1300, then please oh please tell me how much YOUR 486 system cost. Keep in
> : : mind:
> : : 
> : : 	486 based clone
> : : 	OS/2
> : : 	Sound Card
> : : 	24 bit color
> : : 	coprocessed graphics
> : : 
> : : 	Just exactly how much is this miracle system of yours? Is it really
> : : 24 bit color, or just a 24 bit palette? Is the 'coprocessed graphics' a card
> : : you bought or was that free too?
> : 
> : He never said his clone was a 486, so let's stick with 386:
> : 
> : 	386-40 w/4MB RAM, 130MB HD, .28 dp 1Kx768 SVGA+monitor:	$1149
> : 	Replace SVGA with S3-based coprocessed graphics board:	  150
> : 	Gravis UltraSound:					  130
> : 	Another 4MB RAM:					  120
> : 	OS/2:							  150
> : 	-------------------------------------------------------------
> : 	Total:							$1699
> : 
> : Now, how much for an A3000 with 8MB RAM, 130MB HD, and good monitor?
> 
> The 1960 is a multisync and was not in price I guess, I guess it adds
> somehitng like $500 or so. However it's not valid to compare 8 MB
> Amiga to 8 MB PC with OS/2 - you forget that OS/2 _needs_ 8 megs to
> run at any acceptable speed (now of course you deny this, I know. You
> will probably claim that 2 megs is enough for full speed operation).
> -- 
> Jarkko Lindblad         | Those people who tell you not to
> lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi |   take chances
> ------------------------| they are all missing on what life is about
> This space if for sale  |                        - Metallica


	From my experience OS/2 needs about 6 megs or more to run
acceptibly.  But OS/2 offers something you may never have heard of,
being stuck with Amigas....CRASH protection.  If one app crashes,
it doesn't take the whole system down.  Now I know most of you just
do a couple of things at a time but even then, you (and I, since
I owned an Amiga) know that all it takes is one bad app and it's
GURU time (or whatever they renamed it two for the 4000 and I
forgot what they renamed it to for the 3000 --workbench 2 or above).

				-Brad


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:45:39 GMT

edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford) writes:
>>root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>: The Classic has had the shortest lifetime of any Apple system so far, except
>>: for the Lisa.

>And what about the Quadra 900.. that was a real short life time, and
>im positive the Q900 had a shorter lifetime than the classic.

  The Quadra 900 was released in October 1991, and discontinued
in May 1992, a seven month lifetime.  The Classic was released in October
1990, and discontinued about three months ago, over a year and a half.
The Powerbook 100, 140 and LC all had shorter lifetimes than the Classic.

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From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:33:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.718900395
 <1992Oct10.093912.16964@netcom.com> <torrie.718742503@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <root.02il@rkamiga.UUCP>

>>  That's correct.  QuickTime requires Colour QuickDraw, which in turn
>>requires at least a 68020 (and probably the 256K Mac II Roms) for its
>>bitfield operations.  At one point, there was a plan to port QuickTime
>>to 68000 machines by porting Colour QuickDraw, but now that Apple no
>>longer makes 68000 machines, I don't think they'll bother.

>So they've dropped support for the 68000 classic?

Depends what you mean by support.  They still support it, they just don't
make it any more.  There's no real point to having QuickTime on a Classic,
since a classic doesn't have any color.

-- 
             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Oct7.050321.3116@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
 >In article <62q8RB3w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
 >
 >>              _#      **MMp     g#00   `N##0"    _agN#0P0N#           _#L
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 >>   `""""    """""'""""'    "  """""" """"""      """""""   `""""    """"""
 >
 >   And please trim your signature to five lines or less.  I am not impressed
 >with your ability to scan an image and run a bitmap-to-ascii utility on it.

So you can be sure that your .sig is welcome by every normal man on earth.
When Marc dislikes something, it *must* be wonderful!

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