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From: v108jqur@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTHONY PAUL AVERY)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: what is this all about?
Summary: huh?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <lyra.724533570@camelot>, lyra@camelot.bradley.edu (Heather Loresch) writes...
> 
>hi!
>i recently started reading this group and it looks very interesting,
>but could someone tell me what the whole idea behind the gothic
>movement is? i'm not really sure about it. thanks a lot!
>lyra@camelot.bradley.edu
> 
 "Hey you, yeah you..." I thought I would respond to your question.  As
 with you I just started reading this group and it is alright.  Actually,]
 a friend suggested this group as an outlet to talk to other goths around
 the world.  I guess it is a network devoted to exclusive talk, correspondence,
 and a sort of networking with others who are like us.  
 Being magical, dressing in black, and rebelling against prescribed gender
 roles (all encompassing the goth movement) has been around for centuries
 actually.  From midwives, wisewomen (witches), sorcercers to the avant-
 guarde and DADA movement - monk/gregarian chants to the early sixties
 groups of IRON BUTTERFLY ("POSSESSION").  Much more history and herstory
 will be told later and I encourage all to do their own independent 
 research and report back to us so that all of us can learn, educatate
 others and possibly raise the dead (BELA LOGIS). FOR NOW FELLOW CORPSES.

	"I got the ways and means to new orleans
 	i'm going down by the river where its..."
	CONCRETE BLONDE
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Phrump
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:30:12 GMT

chris@castlab.uucp  writes:
> 
> I highly recommend The Cure _Pornography_, which is so depressing that the band
> won't perform it durring their concerts... 
> 

The Cure refusing to perform something because it's
depressing???   Weird....
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan)
Subject: AcrossThisGreyLand
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:18:12 GMT


I just bought this disc and first up I'd like to give it a big plug.  Not
for a long time has a disc made me go "Holy shit, that's good."  This one
did.  It has such bands on it as Lycia, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, Attrition,
Love Spirals Downward, Thanatos, Eden, and Soul Whirling Somewhere.

Another Group I'd like to plug is Girls Under Glass.  Their latest disc is
called Darious, and is quite good.  I've tried posting about them twice before,
but since a lot of my post don't show, I'm plugging them yet again.  I have
another "Studio Live" recording of a disc, but don't know what it's called.
I've been looking for any other tracks for a long time.

My friend (Umbra) joebg@iastate.edu is interested in the dr death vol. 4 & 5
and wants to know what people think of these.  He also wants to know about the
first three, such as what's on them.  He also wants to know if there is a new
one out and if it's any good, and agian, what's on it. Please reply to him!
as I really don't care.  Thank you.

-- 
The Great Grendel-Khan,  | They called me the fool, they called me the child
Earth Rim Roamer.        | I found an angel of the night;
                         | The voice was low, the look was bright.
argent@iastate.edu       | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan)
Subject: AcrossThisGreyNation
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:55:28 GMT

Sorry I forgot to say that this was the third in the series.  Thanks for the
clarification.  I was hust wondering though how the first one was.
I feel like an idiot, trying to clue people in on a new cool release, and
I fucked it up.  Next I'll find out it was out for years.  :)

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: bourp00@DMI.USherb.CA (PIERRE BOURBONNAIS)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy is a feeb
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:58:44 GMT

In article <1gtdhiINNmr@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>
>	Man!  I picked up some Bauhaus albums today because I've been reading
>so much about them in this newsgroup.  What tripe!  I can't believe that
>people would spend their time listening to the kind of trash that is on
>"The Sky's Gone Out".  I've heard better lyrical talent from wiener dogs
>being fed into a garbage compactor.  Sheesh...
>
>-- 
>The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
>Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
>DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
>2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |

Well, I guess I won't destroy you because of what you say of MY GROUP, but
you better listen better when you listen to some BAUHAUS! And you better
beleive people listens to this powerfull music and you'd better know that
PETER MURPHY is one of the best singer (and writer) I know (along with
ROZZ, Valor, Andrew, etc.). 

Gee! I guess you must listen to Olivia Newton-John, or the Saterday Night
Fever soundtrack? Or maybe you are a fan of Village People?

I say someone who hasn't listen some BAUHAUS for GOOD, has missed a part of
his life!

I have Spoken!

Pierre (BOURP00@DMI.USHERB.CA)
From: schmitz@spot.Colorado.EDU (Dave Schmitz)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? (RE)
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:25:59 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Dec20.073754.23719@Virginia.EDU> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
> other people who think similarly...  I agree that the fad part
> sucks, but at the same time, I'm glad to meet other TRUE goths,
> and I'm not actually all that worried about "being different".
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This actually one of the better lines I've heard....  I'm just sorry that
there are others around that judge people's abilities on their looks..
I was recently turn down for a job because I was "being different"..
Yeah, I dressed up in that nice suit and everything but I think the
the the vice president didn't care for the black hair...  Actually, I
know for a fact since I have a good friend that works for the same 
company..  Pretty lame if you ask me...



 -Dave
 
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan)
Subject: Re: AcrossThisGreyNation
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:31:50 GMT

In article <0JV9UBQ@hp832.informatik.hu-berlin.de> gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates) writes:

>(2) I have not yet ordered the first ATGL compilation because
>it is currently only available on cassette and I am holding out
>for it to be reissued on CD....I *hate* cassette recordings
>in this particular genre;  this sort of music belongs on
>disc! Anybody else out there got a copy of ATGL No. 1?
>
>					--margaret
>

I looked into this further (since I liked #3 so much).  I found out that as
soon as the next in the series comes out the one before it become unavalible.
Project records returns the rights to the music to the individual bands after
they release a new disc, so now #1 is supper scarce, and #2 can't even be
ordered.  I say as cheap as #3 was, you should buy #1 in any format you can.
-- 
The Great Grendel-Khan,  | They called me the fool, they called me the child
Earth Rim Roamer.        | I found an angel of the night;
                         | The voice was low, the look was bright.
argent@iastate.edu       | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson)
Subject: Phrump
Originator: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:45:55 GMT


Im looking for some really depressing music.  Something that will make me
want to curl up in a dark room and reflect on the abject misery I call
life....

(Gee, that sounded pretty bad...Im not suicidal, really)

Previous favorites include _Within the Realm of a Dying Sun_ and for some
reason "Elegia" off of New Order's _Low Life_.....

Suggestions??

Thanks all.

AJ

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: sg@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Scott Genzer)
Subject: From across this grey land no.1
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:13:48 GMT

	Has anyone ever seen Volume 1 of this incredible series?  A
friend at Projekt told me that Volume 1 was not released by Projekt.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

					Thanks,
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Artemis
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:12:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	Is an ANTI-GOTH SLACK HOLE!

-- 
The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: bmyers@well.sf.ca.us (Bryan L. Myers)
Subject: Dark Musicc
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:41:01 GMT


I too love dark and gloomy music.  SOmce of my personal favorites are
Lycia "Ionia" (the darkest I've ever heard)
Clock DVA "Buried Dreams"  ("Man Amplified" good but not dark)
Dracula Soundtrack  (classical music darkness)
G.G.F.H. "Eclipse" (I haven't heard this but Industrial Nation stated
                     that it was incredibly dark)
Gloomingly, TeknoThor (bmyers@well.sf.ca.us) 12.16.92
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: lyra@camelot.bradley.edu (Heather Loresch)
Subject: what is this all about?
Summary: huh?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:19:30 GMT


hi!
i recently started reading this group and it looks very interesting,
but could someone tell me what the whole idea behind the gothic
movement is? i'm not really sure about it. thanks a lot!
lyra@camelot.bradley.edu

--
"Le coeur au bonheur
 j'espere et j'ai peur" -from les miserables french concept
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.guitar.tab
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: Death in June - What do they soundlike.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:54:07 GMT

SO what does this band sound like. 
I need some info. I need new music. 
Is this the band to buy???
Please reply by e-mail.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"You shut your mouth! How can you say.. I go about things the wrong way??
 I am Human and I need to be loved. Just like everybody else does."The Smiths
From: dragon@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Phrump
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:55:39 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu  writes:
> 
> Im looking for some really depressing music.  Something that will make me
> want to curl up in a dark room and reflect on the abject misery I call
> life....
> 
 
"Spleen and Ideal" is my other DCD favorite; "First and Last and Always" from
Sisters of Mercy's not poor either, and I recently heard an album from The
Cranes which might fit your bill.

Or if you REALLY wanted to get suicidal, lock yourself in a room and play
Barry Manilow...

--the Dragon
From: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Phrump
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1grlkbINNifq@life.ai.mit.edu> dragon@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (the Dragon) writes:
>lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu  writes:
>> 
>> Im looking for some really depressing music.  Something that will make me
>> want to curl up in a dark room and reflect on the abject misery I call
>> life....
>> 
> 
>"Spleen and Ideal" is my other DCD favorite; "First and Last and Always" from
>Sisters of Mercy's not poor either, and I recently heard an album from The
>Cranes which might fit your bill.
>
>Or if you REALLY wanted to get suicidal, lock yourself in a room and play
>Barry Manilow...
>

Just remembered....I like The Swans a lot too......"Goddamn the
Sun"...very cheery....

AJ
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Rozz's Projects
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:38:37 GMT

OK, here's a question about Rozz's music in general...  All of
the CD albums I have are the ones with Valor.  How do the ones
with Rozz compare musically?
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Subject: Re: Phrump
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:41:16 GMT

Alan Jackson (lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote:
: 
: Im looking for some really depressing music.  Something that will make me
: want to curl up in a dark room and reflect on the abject misery I call
: life....
: 

Try "White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity" and "Burning World"
by Swans. Real heavy. If you want _to get_ suicidal, then
get a hold of "Shame Humility Revenge" by Skin. Not easy to
find, though, but the heaviest focused depression I've ever 
heard. 

/Par

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates)
Subject: Re: AcrossThisGreyLand
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:07:48 GMT

In article <Bz7v6C.67n@news.iastate.edu> argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan) writes:
>
>I just bought this disc and first up I'd like to give it a big plug.  Not
>for a long time has a disc made me go "Holy shit, that's good."  This one
>did.  It has such bands on it as Lycia, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, Attrition,
>Love Spirals Downward, Thanatos, Eden, and Soul Whirling Somewhere.

For the sake of clarity, that disc is Across This Grey Land *No. 3* ....
there are, obviously, two other installments in the ATGL compilation
series from Projekt Records.  I totally agree that the No. 3 is 
utterly breath-taking.....I would, however, also encourage the
purchase of No. 2: it has a simialarly introspective, haunting
atmosphere; it is totally seamless and exquisitely beautiful.
Like ATGL No. 3, it is a journey through rich, dark soundscapes,
but it heads in a slightly different direction than that new
release.  Buy them both.

		--margaret
.

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? (RE)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:37:54 GMT

wilsonandrew@bvc.edu writes:
> 	I Think people seem to have a much different concept of what it 
> means to be a goth from me. I think people nowadays "go goth" just as sort 
> of a cool, image thing. Being a goth doesn't mean wearing all black, or 
> wearing plastic vampire fangs, or wearing lots of dark eye-shadow. 

I quite agree.  I don't do any of that.  Actually, I look quite
"normal" (whatever that is).

>  I think gothic is a way of thinking.

Right on!

> Goths (as I see it) recognize life as being a dark, mysterious, romantic 
> thing. We listen to music that appeals to this way of thinking, and act, 
> dress, talk, whatever, accordingly. When I speak of romanticism, I'm not 
> talking about huggy kissy crap, I'm talking about being aware of your 
> surroundings, and applying your concept of life to it. A dark, brooding 
> apartment facade appeals to my sense of gothicism as much as any graveyard, 
> or cathedral. (I'm not trying to be snobbish here, I don't mean to sound 
> that way at all, but as far as I'm concerned, I wish poeple would decide 
> that "being goth" is uncool, and the whole thing would go out of fashion, 
> so people would just leave me the hell alone. after all, what good does 
> "being different" do you if you're just like everybody else?
> -andy
> 

	Well, I do like cathedrals and graveyards, but I never 
really tied that in...
	Actually, before I started reading this newsgroup, I
didn't realize that goth was "cool" anywhere...  The place
where I came from is full of backward, country music listening
(yuck!) hicks, who thought I was VERY strange in my Sisters of
Mercy T-shirt and with my tapes by bands whose names they couldn't
even pronounce...  It's been almost a comfort to me, finding
other people who think similarly...  I agree that the fad part
sucks, but at the same time, I'm glad to meet other TRUE goths,
and I'm not actually all that worried about "being different".
From: dragon@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy is a feeb
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:33:32 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina) writes:
>
>>        [Banshee expresses disappointment at Bauhaus]
>

I have to admit I was also somewhat disappointed at my first (and thus far,
only) listen to Bauhaus after hearing so much about them.  Perhaps having had
been introduced to the genre by Fields of the Nephilim, then later Sisters
of Mercy, DCD, and other more modern goths, after having been used to more
energetic bands all played a part in this.  They seemed to be relatively a
weak attempt.  I DO plan to give them closer inspection at a later time, but
for now I've got my eye on a few other groups on which to spend my money.

>Hey, if you don't like Bauhaus, what are you doing reading
>alt.gothic.  In case you didn't know, Bauhaus pretty much created
>the goth persona.
>

D00D BAUHAUS IS K-RAD!!!!!
[sigh]

--the Dragon
Less gothic than thou. $)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates)
Subject: Re: AcrossThisGreyNation
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:31:57 GMT

In article <Bz9DoL.IvI@news.iastate.edu> argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan) writes:
>Sorry I forgot to say that this was the third in the series.  Thanks for the
>clarification.  I was hust wondering though how the first one was.
>I feel like an idiot, trying to clue people in on a new cool release, and
>I fucked it up.  Next I'll find out it was out for years.  :)
>

(1) Nope, you were absolutely right that it is a relatively new
release. It came out officially over the Summer, but was then 
only made available to regular mail order customers through
Projekt Records. It hit the market for real about mid to late August, I
think.

(2) I have not yet ordered the first ATGL compilation because
it is currently only available on cassette and I am holding out
for it to be reissued on CD....I *hate* cassette recordings
in this particular genre;  this sort of music belongs on
disc! Anybody else out there got a copy of ATGL No. 1?

					--margaret
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: the gothlist
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:12:41 GMT
Distribution: alt.gothic
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Dec14.052828.9739@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:
>			THE GOTHIC MUSIC LIST
>			  last update: 12/9/92
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I reckon Altered States belong on this list, I think they are now defunct
unless anyone else knows different. Their music is like Sisters meet 
Bauhaus.

calvin

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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:53:31 GMT

ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  writes:
> Hmm...I saw the "The Heretics Alive" video tape the other day, which was
> my first exposure to Valor, and I was kind of dissapointed. Is this indicative
> of the Christian Death w/ Valor? It struck me as being very metal-ish, and
> I didn't find the music too interesting either. What Valor had to say, 
> especially the interview in the beginning was cool, but the rest, particuliarly
> the music, was so-so at best. I like the stuff with Rozz, but this, I'm not
> sure about...
> 

Well, that's interesting....  The only Christian Death I've
heard is with Valor!  In fact, I posted a message the other day
asking how Rozz's music compares, but no-one has replied yet.

As to Valor's sound, I've never seen the video, but I have a
copy of the album "The Scriptures" which I like a lot (except
for the first track -- I could do without the televangelist,
even if Valor thought he was proving something...)  I wouldn't
call it metal-ish at all, though.  Actually, when I had to
describe it to a friend over the phone, I told him it was like
a cross between The Lords of the New Church, The Sisters, with
maybe a little Dead Can Dance mixed in...  I don't know how
accurate that really was, but it was the best I could do.  
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Christian Death
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:41:19 GMT

Hmm...I saw the "The Heretics Alive" video tape the other day, which was
my first exposure to Valor, and I was kind of dissapointed. Is this indicative
of the Christian Death w/ Valor? It struck me as being very metal-ish, and
I didn't find the music too interesting either. What Valor had to say, 
especially the interview in the beginning was cool, but the rest, particuliarly
the music, was so-so at best. I like the stuff with Rozz, but this, I'm not
sure about...



Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Subject: Re: AcrossThisGreyLand
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:31:26 GMT

argent@iastate.edu (The Great Grendel-Khan) writes:


>I just bought this disc and first up I'd like to give it a big plug.  Not
>for a long time has a disc made me go "Holy shit, that's good."  This one
>did.  It has such bands on it as Lycia, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, Attrition,
>Love Spirals Downward, Thanatos, Eden, and Soul Whirling Somewhere.

Where did you get your copy? I can't seem to find any of the Projekt releases
anywhere. I know I could I always mail-order it, but I don't like to wait.
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Peter Murphy is a feeb
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:49:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	Man!  I picked up some Bauhaus albums today because I've been reading
so much about them in this newsgroup.  What tripe!  I can't believe that
people would spend their time listening to the kind of trash that is on
"The Sky's Gone Out".  I've heard better lyrical talent from wiener dogs
being fed into a garbage compactor.  Sheesh...

-- 
The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: kenyon@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Gargoyles
Reply-To: kenyon@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:54:04 GMT

Further Clarification - The Gargoyle shop I mentioned some days back is 
located at 262 Newbury St. in Boston, Phone ( 617 ) 536-2362, and is called
The Greenman, Gargoyles, Grotesques, and Chimeras. It is truly worth a visit.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic