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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1993 MLB Schedule
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:54:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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In article <1993Jan21.001240.23462@math.toronto.edu> joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:
>In article <C15n7H.IEL@hsi.com> tartaris@hsi.com (Bob Tartaris) writes:
>>I apologize if the 1993 MLB Schedule has already been posted and I missed it,
>>but would someone please e-mail me a copy.  I really appreciate it.
>>
>Gotta love the wonderful world of Internet.
>
>A great source for obtaining schedules for all baseball teams for the
>'93 season can be found by telnet'ing
>
>culine.colorado.edu 862
>
>Hope that helps.
>
I did..not...know that.  Thanks, Joel.

I just popped on over, and it appears that the schedules up are for 1992.  I
do have the information noted, however, and one may consider it recorded for 
posterity...


-- 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 10-1? Really?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1jp4ilINNui@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>Was anyone else surprised to see the Brewers at 10-1 odds to win the
>World Series? I realize the bookmakers set odds based on betting tendencies,
>but do they know something we don't?
>
>Proud to be one of the few "statistics don't tell the whole story," beleivers,
>
>--salty

Well, as you recall, Valentine pointed out that the odds were approximately
doubled when you add everything up.  That would put the Brewers at 21-1 odds
instead, which I don't find unreasonable.  The AL East is weak, which gives
them a 5-1 odds or so of winning the division, and then there's a one-in-four
or so chance of winning the World Series once you win the division. 

About the only team I saw on that list that had reasonable odds was,
surprisingly enough, the New York Yankees.  (Well, Colorado and Miami's
300-1 is probably as good a guess as any.)  The Yanks are a much better
team than the Mets, are much more likely to win the division, but are
considered less likely to win the World Series, according to the LV
oddsmakers.  I might be tempted to lay $25 on them.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: Braves Bullpen (was Braves signings)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:19:41 GMT

In article <C1HH96.9o8@apertus.com> scotth@apertus.com (Scott Hauck) writes:
>Mark Bacchus (bacchus@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: mcgill@lds.loral.com (Chris McGill 5471) writes:
>: >Yeah, the BRAVES bullpen could use some help, but it seems it is always
>: >in that state.  
The Braves Caravan came through here Mon. and the three guys on 
parade were Justice, Nieves and Wohlers. In a column one of the 
local scribes talked about the Braves and their reticence to pick
one guy out of the bullpen for the closer role. Not just last yr.
but really since Bedrosian was there. Of course the column was 
focusing on Wohlers and his 3 yr. sojourn as 'closer of the future'
He said (naturally) give me the ball, I'm not the kinda guy who
can pitch effectively every 10 games or so, I need the work!
(sound familiar). I think they want to settle on one guy but 
they all seem to have some holes. Wohlers control is still suspect,
Stanton had a horrible first couple of months last yr. (era of 
around 7 or so) and Mercker was inconsistent as well. Between the
three of them they have done an O.K. job. In fact one of Wohlers'
beefs was all the talk about trading for somebody. He felt like 
the talent was already there (read me!)
Personally it makes since to me to be able to go with the one that
is hot rather than call on the same guy every nite (unless you've
got an Eck). With the starters they've got Cox should have that 
luxury anyway!

L.P.
From: bz832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wesley R. Kemmerlin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Braves Prospects
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:09:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Article 162304 of rec.sport.baseball:
From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: Braves Bullpen (was Braves signings)
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:14:48 GMT

In article 5004@samba.oit.unc.edu, jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman) writes:
>In article <C1HH96.9o8@apertus.com> scotth@apertus.com (Scott Hauck) writes:
>>Mark Bacchus (bacchus@bnr.ca) wrote:
>>: mcgill@lds.loral.com (Chris McGill 5471) writes:


>Personally it makes since to me to be able to go with the one that
>is hot rather than call on the same guy every nite (unless you've
>got an Eck). With the starters they've got Cox should have that 
>luxury anyway!
>
>L.P.
>
>

 Yes!! Finally, someone is saying what I said all of last year. The Braves 
don't need one closer. They have the talent to go with the hot hand. It 
worked last year. The Braves save percentage was in the top five in the
NL. 

Stanton I think has finally figured out that his stuff is good enough
that he doesn't need to be cute. He will be a force this year and with
Wohlers, Mercker and Freeman behind him I think they will be fine.

I am sad over the loss of Al Pena. This guy has great stuff! He was (is)
a GREAT closer! At the beginning of last year, he had strepped throat and
pitched horribly but when he was healthy, his ball was moving again and he
went on a great run.

The night he got the elbow soreness, he was clocked in the mid 90s and had
just fanned Barry Bonds on 3 pitches to get his 15th save. Cox went to him
on the mound and Pena said his arm was killing him. Anyway, when he's back
healthy, he'll be great for Pittsburg if they use him right. I just hoped
that the Braves would have kept him and made him the closer this year.
When he was totally healthy and on the mound late in a game, I always felt
very comfortable about any lead, big or small.

Hopefully, this year the Braves starters will be so strong that only a token
relief appearance will be necessary, and Stanton and Wohlers will be so rested
that they will overpower hitters and close games with no problem.



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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Cubbies ticket info?
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:07:29 GMT


Help me!!

I need some info on Da Cubs.  First, do they open up the season at home?
If so, what time is the game?  Are there any tickets left?

I need to know this because I might be in the Chicago area over my spring
break, and I need to go to a Cubs game.

Also, what is the phone # for Cubs tickets (Cubs ticket office, Ticketron,
Ticket Master, etc.)?

Thanx a ton.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

TWINS '93
Cubs fan in the wrong state

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From: michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez)
Subject: Giants Announce Ticket Price Reduction
Keywords: Wonders
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:49:39 GMT

The SF Giants(sounds good, doesn't it?!), announced they
will reduce ticket prices in the Upper Reserve Sections
of Candlestick Park.  This reduction is a response to a 
poll that indicated families could not afford to attend
games at the current price levels.

What, a Major League Franchise is actually responding to
their fan base?  Amazing!  Yes, it is true, the City that
can do is actually doing!  Can't wait for Spring Training
to begin.

GO SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS!

Michael 
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From: goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:56:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: SHERRI NICHOLS

snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes...
>In article <1992Dec23.024452.24795@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
>(aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:

>>I assume that men reporters are also entitled to interview women
>>athletes while they are bathing, although I've never heard of one man
>>even attempting to do so.

>In every sport where women participate, men and women reporters have equal
>access to the players.

And I repeat his question... (unless he has already done so)  Do you
know of an actual case where a male reporter even attempting to
interview women athletes while they were bathing?  If so, what was
the outcome?


>>Wyche's primary motivation was to insure that his players were not open
>>to charges of sexual harassment for behaving inappropriately while not
>>fully clothed in front of women reporters.  He understood that the
>>incident with the New England Patriots football players and a woman
>>reporter came about because these Partriot football players were very
>>resentful of a woman reporter insisting on interviewing players in the
>>locker room immediately after practice while they were bathing.  He was
>>trying to avoid this problem.
>>
>>A group of his players later had group sex with a woman in Seattle, WA,
>>and then, when the women pursued them with threats of accusing them of
>>rape, paid her a lump sum of something like $30,000 to NOT go forward
>>with the allegations.  Then, the woman demanded more money.  The
>>players refused to give her more money.  So, she went forwarded with
>>the rape allegations.  I don't know the outcome of the trial, though.
>>Despite Wyche's "fathering," this group of "his" players were stupid
>>enough to open themselves up to such allegations.

>Perhaps if Wyche had dealt with the real problem of the players and their
>attitudes toward women, instead of tacitly supporting those attitudes, his
>"fathering" would have been more effective.

Methinks that your bias is screaming off the page.  You seem to imply that
these men are already guilty.  Indeed, if the woman *had* actually
consented to sex, then this *hardly* condemns the players' "attitudes
about women".  Granted, if the sex was not consensual, as she implied,
then I agree that you would have a point.  As it is, the facts of the
case have not yet come out (as far as I have heard), so you do the accused
a great disservice by summarily convicting them.

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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Moving superstars?
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:46:06 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

from everything i read (just in this specific instance), griffin wasn't
 the best fielder in the world or anything.  the cubs were hoping
 to promote him REAL early in his career, and wanted him to deal
 with major league pitching instead of the "mental problems" of
 switching positions.  i wonder how manyplayers do tha t- play in the
 minors, and then are asked to play a different position in the
 majors.  it didn't affect jeff bagwell or luis gonzalez...

- bob gaj
From: v393qp56@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Viktor Brenner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Best BB simulators (was RE: EWBB)
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am asking about what simulations out there are best and most complete.
I have APBA, which is a good simulator but requires additional purchases
to 1)be able to create players 2)have the computer manage games and
3)record stats.  Ideally, I think teh best simulator should 1) be graphics
based and good playable arcade game 2) be able to operate as a season
simulator by playing games quickly without input 3)allow creating your
own teams 4)allow creation of new players (usually extra) and updating
of plyers stats/ratings 5)have multiple, real ballparks.  So, all
you owners out there, what are the strengths/added costs of

earl Weaver BB II

Tony LaRussa Ultimate BB

Microleague BB 4

hardball3

others?

Please post, as this may be of interest to other readers of this group.

vik

p.s. I konw something like this went around last year, but there are many
new products out there since then.
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Subject: Re: YANKEE REFLECTIONS ANYONE???
From: jpollock@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:08:30 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1993Jan19.024549.20444@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.204335.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jpollock@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>>The
>>major differences, though, are that Kelly hits for a significantly better
>>average every year (I think he'll eventually turn into a consistent .300
>>hitter, if he learns a little more patience) and Kelly's got tons of speed.
> 
> Kelly?  Patience?  You must be kidding.  There are only a handful of
> consistent .300 hitters in the majors, and Kelly isn't one of them.

He has SOME patience, obviously, because he walks enough to get basestealing
chances.  And he does walk a decent amount.  (trouble is, he does strike out a
bit too)

>>That, and he's younger.  And if I remember correctly, Kelly's OBP is quite a
>>bit higher than O'Neill's.
> 
> You don't.  Except for 1989, Kelly's best OBP *ever* is .333.  O'Neill
> hasn't had an OBP that low since 1988.  The difference in OBP isn't
> huge, but O'Neill has a very definite advantage.  Never confuse BA
> with OBP...

>>What were the Yankees thinking?  I mean, I know they
>>needed lefty power, but still....
> 
> Kelly has whined ever since being moved out of CF.  He also has been a
> bit injury prone over the years.  I suspect both of these figured
> highly in their thinking...

don't forget, O'Neill was doing his share of whining in Cincinatti.  And
whereas O'Neill isn't injury prone, he IS prone to wicked batting slumps that
cause the manager to lose confidence in him.  I had him on my rotisserie team
the year he hit 27 HRs and 98 RBI's and at times he was platooned because his
average dropped significantly.  What are the chances that impatient
Steinbrenner, when he has Williams, Barfield, Tartabull, and others waiting in
the wings, is going to give O'Neill time to pull out of those slumps?
 
>>They also have a really irritating habit
>>of bringing up a kid from the minors, giving him 2 or 3 starts, and then
>>shipping him back down immediately.  That's gotta be tough on the pysche of
>>the young pitchers.
> 
> I liked the way they stuck with Militello and Wickman last year.  Of
> course, now the Boss is back.

That's right, the Boss is back.  Which means the same impatience with rookies
is expected, the same depletion of the farm teams, etc...
 
>>Let's be honest, though...to say that
>>they're gonna finish ahead of Baltimore is very unlikely.  I'm pretty
>>optimistic, but I say this year they finish 3rd.  
> 
> I dunno.  The Yankees have some problems, but so do the Jays and the
> Orioles.  Which is why I'm picking the Yankees to win.  I may be off
> base, but I'm not out to left field yet...
> 
> Cheers,
> -Valentine

Yeah, I think it'll be close.  Personally, I like Baltimore's manager better. ;)
The Blue Jays mortgaged their future by picking up so many veterans, but
they're not going to pay the price for a year or two....

JP

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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: YANKEE REFLECTIONS ANYONE???
Organization: Joe Carter Appreciation Society
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:58:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.120830.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jpollock@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>The Blue Jays mortgaged their future by picking up so many veterans, but
>they're not going to pay the price for a year or two....

Mortgaged their future?  I don't think so.

The Jays gave up Mauro Gozzo, Steve Cummings, Willie Blair, Glenallen Hill,
Mark Whiten, Denis Boucher, Ryan Thompson and Jeff Kent to acquire their
various Rent-a-Pitchers.  Of these, only Whiten has a chance to be a
significant major league player.  (Thompson is a marginal prospect, and
Kent will be lucky to hit .230 in Shea.  Sorry about that, Mets fans.)

The Jays are three deep in catching prospects (Sprague, Knorr and Delgado),
and have other good position players rounding into form (Domingo Martinez
could play first base in the majors right now).  Plus they've got buckets of
draft picks this year.  I'm not worried about the Jays' future.

--Dave "at least, not until Gillick retires" Till
From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary She's Making Eyes Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Lefty Grove....
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:56:36 GMT
Organization: Our Lady Of The Sacred Cane and Top Hat, Ltd. (Peanut Division)


Douglas Fowler writes:

+                           Boston Red Sox
+
+Starting Pitcher
+Cy Young
+Babe Ruth
+Roger Clemens
+Lefty Grove
+
+     Boston-Because of their park or something, there is a misconception
+that this team is not pitching-rich.  However, unless you're the Pirates,
+after 90 years you should have at least some pitching!  Look at this:  Cy
+Young in his prime; Babe Ruth, about whom Tris Speaker said that "he made a
+mistake by switching to the outfield"; Roger Clemens; and a still very good
+Lefty Grove. 

In my opinion, Lefty Grove is the BEST pitcher in the history of baseball,
bar none.  I don't think Young, Ruth, or Clemens deserves to be ranked 
ahead of him, as you imply here.  Perhaps Clemens WILL deserve that at some
point, though.

Grove...

Played 17 years in the bigs, and led the league in ERA 9 times in those
17 years.  His career ERA of 3.06 is AMAZING when taken in the context of
the era in which he played.  Clemens' career ERA of 2.89, when taken in
context, is roughly comparable, perhaps not quite as good.

(Source: TB II.)

Of course, Grove played with Philadelphia, too, so there's that to consider,
but I don't think anyone, with the exception of Koufax, has the peak
value of Grove, and I don't think anyone comes close to the career value.


-- 
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Braves in California in May?
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:47:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.233913.7747@cs.sfu.ca>, ekaas@cs.sfu.ca 
(Erik Kaas) writes...
> 
>A friend and I will be visiting California in May. We'd really
>like to see a MLB game, preferably a game involving the
>Atlanata Braves (the best team in the world, I'm not Canadian :).

Certainly a team whose fans think they are the best, although they 
have not yet won the WS. 

> 
>Does anybody have the schedule of the Braves in May, OR
>a schedule of games played in May??? I'm looking for games played
>in or around L.A. or San Fransisco.
> 
>Any info is welcome!
> 
>Erik KK
>-- 


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June 4, 5, 6  (close enough to May for you?) and September 6, 7, 8. 
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Mack & Puckett (Re: Moving superstars?)
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:45:40 CST


In article <1993Jan21.174815.14368@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> 
> I'm not proposing trading Sandberg, or doing anything that might lose
> his bat from the lineup.  But if the offensive considerations imply
> that you want to be playing Sandberg and X (maybe the Cubs have a good
> 2B prospect and no 3B prospects), and the defensive considerations
> imply that X at 2B and Sandberg at 3B is a stronger defensive
> alignment than the other way around, why should it be a big deal?
> 
> I wouldn't move a player for a mediocre prospect, since chances are
> good that you will be replacing that mediocre prospect in a couple
> years anyways.  But if the prospect is good enough to be reasonably
> considered a long-term solution, I don't see how Sandberg's skill with
> the bat enters into the picture at all...
> 
> See Puckett vs Mack for an example of a player that probably *should*
> be moved for defensive reasons.

The Twins did try moving Kirby to RF & Mack to CF (in 1991 towards the
end of spring training).  The problem was that Kirby could not get used 
to the spin of the ball (curving toward the line), causing all sorts of 
fielding difficulties.  After about a month, TK returned Kirby to CF & 
Mack to RF, because the improvement in range (with Mack in CF) did not 
outweigh the loss of fielding (with Kirby in RF).

I would think given a full spring training that Kirby would get the
hang of it...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: wayne@einstein.research.uno.edu (wayne)
Subject: Re: Aubrey Waggoner
Organization: University of New Orleans
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:40:41 GMT

In article <8711@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu writes:
> Ok, I was thumbing through some organizational statistics for the  
Braves, and I
> came across Mr. Waggoner.  He played 90 games at Greenville (AA) and  
another 7
> in Richmond (AAA).  Now, I follow the Braves religiously, but I've never  
heard
> of this guy, despite the following stats...
> 				G	AB	 BA		SLG	 
	OBP		HR	SB/CS	
> Greenville 92 	90	237	.270	.532	.434	14	 
21/12
> Richmond 92		7	22	.227	.409	.320	1	 
1/0
> 
> OK, so who is this guy, and why haven't I heard of him?  Is he too old  
to be
> considered a prospect?  Is he a platoon player?  Was he injured for part  
of the
> 92 season?  If none of the above apply, then why aren't people shouting  
out his
> name?
> 
> 
> Eric Roush			Deck us all with Boston Charlie
> fierkelab@			Walla Walla Wash and Kalamazoo!
> bchm.biochem.duke.edu	Nora's freezin' on the Trolley,
> 				Swaller Dollar Cauliflower Alla-ga-Roo!
> 
> 				Walt Kelley

Aubrey Waggoner played for a number of years in the White Sox  
organization, most recently at Birmingham in the Southern League (in  
1991). In fact, I think he's been in the Southern League for about 4 or 5  
years now. Usually has a decent batting average, good speed, but he's  
never set the Southern League on fire.

Wayne Patterson