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From: Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings jpegs
Date: 28 Jan 1993 21:36:10 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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In article <1993Jan26.135339.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> Mark Pettit,
pettit@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>Hi all!  I downloaded all of the GIFs uploaded recently (the map of the
West,
>as well as the five American covers).  Great job!  It's a great addition
to my
>collection of pics!
>
>Now, if someone could digitize the covers for the other versions of
Eddings'
>work.  Is there a difference between this "Corgi" and UK and
Austrailian?  And
>possibly Penguin?  I'm lost, as you can all tell.
>
>Anyway.  The point is, keep uploading those jpegs!  Thanks to anyone who
does
>it!

sounds cool... can i make an additional request to those who post the
files...?  for some reason my newsreader chokes on uuencoded files (im
using Nuntius on a Mac via TCP/SLIP) -- sooo, if anyone can find an ftp
site for SF / Fantasy stuff, can they be put there too?
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From: patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M. Burson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:05:57 -0600
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regarding disappointing DelRey covers:
Is anybody else mad about what they did with the "Sapphire Rose" cover?
For those of you who may not have seen it, the hardcover jacket was designed 
  just like the 1st 2 books: author and title at top, with picture taking up 
  approximately 3/4's of the cover.  Then on the paperback they blew up the 
  author and title to take up 1/2 the cover, added "New York Times bestseller" 
  or some such, and on the bottom 1/4 of the cover printed the part of the 
  picture that fit.
I think what bugs me the most is that (almost) everybody who read the first 
  two books is going to read the third.  This "exploding the author" tactic 
  seems like it's aimed at new readers, and they aren't likely to buy a whole 
  set of three just 'cause the third was a bestseller - at least *I* wouldn't!
By the way, how do the Australian/Penguin covers compare to the UK/Corgi 
  covers? I prefer the Corgi to the DelRey.
I like my books to look nice, and I, too, avoid "luscious babes" covers. I 
  think the reasoning there is that I avoid luscious babes stories and the 
  cover ought to reflect the story.
Anyway, thanx for letting me vent my frustration! 
  Now if only DelRey had email ...

-patricia
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:47:06 GMT

avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:

>jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace) writes:


>>I just got the _Pawn of Prophecy_ cover art from Timo Kokkonen.  Great quality,
>>and color!!  One noticing fact - it's slightly crooked.  Still, great job 
>>getting it to the newsgroup.  

>>I would love to see the rest of the cover arts here - Belgariad, Mall., and
>>the Sparkhawk books as well.

>Could be interesting...here in Australia (as well as other places too I think)
>Penguin is the official publisher for all his books and not Delray so we get
>different cover art on the books (can be got around though >;).  Same thing
>happened with the Dragonlance books here, we got Penguin stuff and not the
>original TSR books.

Can get them around tho - I still need to get Dragons of Spring Dawning,
because, to be honest, the Penguin covers were revolting, competely gross,
while the TSR ones had Larry Elmore art on them YUM YUM YUM.

Eccles
From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:59:34 GMT
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jhpace@c00552-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu


I just got the _Pawn of Prophecy_ cover art from Timo Kokkonen.  Great quality,
and color!!  One noticing fact - it's slightly crooked.  Still, great job 
getting it to the newsgroup.  

I would love to see the rest of the cover arts here - Belgariad, Mall., and
the Sparkhawk books as well.

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From: dfulton@aeroblue.aero.nd.edu (david fulton)
Subject: repost belgar1.jpg and belgar2.jpg
Reply-To: dfulton@handel.helios.nd.edu (Dave Fulton)
Organization: Department of Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering, University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:17:24 GMT

	Hi guys and girls.

	Sorry to be a pain, but can someone repost belgar1.jpg and belgar2.jpg?
	I missed them somehow.

					Dave

p.s.  you can mail them to me if you'd rather.


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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:15:33 GMT

In article <1k26pnINN2bo@shelley.u.washington.edu> starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:
>wilsom4@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Matt Wilson) writes:
>
>>>Speaking of cover art, I think you are lucky if you have managed to
>>>avoid the poor Delray covers. I personally like more the ones which
>>>penguin, corgi & bantam books provide.
>

Yes. I agree with this (nameless) poster. Will people please leave in
the attribution lines if at all possible, as it makes it much easier
to follow a thread.

>>I'm sorry, I'm a great fan of Edding's work, but this discussion on
>>the cover art for the books is tedious. I have to ask who cares? 
>>The whole idea in reading a book is to enjoy the images and the 
>>characters that are really made up in your own head. Television
>>for the mind. If you need to quibble about pictures...try 
>>alt.picture-books
>
>Firstly, if you don't like the discussion, you don't have to read the
>thread, now do you?
>

Agreed.

>Secondly, cover art does make some impression on first-time readers.
>There have been numerous occasions when I (sadly) have put a book down
>because the cover art looked REALLY LAME--scantily clad babes or
>something.  I know a lot of people who, seeing the American paperback
>versions of the Belgariad sitting on a shelf, didn't pick them up
>because the SPINES of the books looked too "plain."  Go figure.
>

AAaargh!

>Thirdly, I find the comparisons of different versions' cover art to be
>fascinating.  I am trying to collect different countries' editions of
>the Belgariad and Malloreon (got US and Australian so far), and I
>find any differences among versions, including cover art, quite
>striking.
>

Me too, (I've only got the Corgi editions, plus the jpegs just
posted).

(I am not going to scan in the Corgi covers because my scanner is
brain-dead, and thinks that high quality is achieved with
grey-scaleing! This is unlikely to change in the near future :(

>>Again, sorry if I've offended...
>
>Hmm.  It just seems to be that the best way to deal with a thread you
>don't care about it to not respond and let it die, rather than waste
>bandwidth with a "what a dorky thread" message.
>

Just kill it (your news reader will have that option).

Donal.
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Elenium--Bhelliom
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:13:59 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu> writes:


>also, in _The Sapphire Rose_, when Aphrael took Sparhawk et al to her
>"temple" in the "dream," she kept trying to explain concepts of iron,
>elements, etc to the chars.  somewhere in that section, she explains WHY
>the rings are red, and why that gives Sparhawk his power over Bhelliom. 
>as far as i can remember, both Zen and Donal are right, in that blood
>from sparhawk's ancestors stained the stone (* i've always wondered how
>blood could stain a stone as hard as a sapphire??  :)  *) and it is this
>ancestral link that gives Sparhawk control....

Sapphire is a _big_ matrix. Possible that the 'iron' compound could have 
slipped between the molecule.s

Otherwise, its _maaaagic_

:)

Eccles
From: lacaa@sersun1 (Lacatena A)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Map gifs.
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:05:32 GMT
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Donal K. Fellows (dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <1jhv6bINNms@transfer.stratus.com> Dave_Durant@vos.stratus.com writes:
: >In article <1993Jan19.192055.400@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows) wrote:  
: >>I'll try to post another one next weekend (23rd or 24th) if I get time. 
: >How about the cover art? Can we see those, too? 
: 
: Also, do you prefer gifs or jpegs? Both are equally easy (as the
: scanner produces tiffs and I am not going to post those! :), but I
: would prefer to post jpegs as they are much smaller, and fit in fewer
: posts.
: 
: Donal.

Jpegs are fine with me.

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From: seung@athena.mit.edu (Seungtaek L Choi)
Subject: gifs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:45:20 GMT

Where can I get the gifs of the maps of the Belgariad?
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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Elenium--Bhelliom
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:47:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.011809.1@max.u.washington.edu> zen@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.194349.9704@athena.mit.edu>, seung@athena.mit.edu (Seungtaek L Choi) writes:
>> the process in which the Bhelliom is created is described.  It says that the
>> Troll, (forgot his name) carves the Bhelliom and then carves the control rings
>> out of the same piece of sapphire as the Bhelliom.  How come then is the Bhelliom
>> blue, while the control rings are red?  I would really appreciate the answer to
>> this question.
>
>      In the prologue of The Ruby Knight there is a part concerning the
>the original Sparhawk and Antor the king.  It goes on to describe how 
>after a battle a hooded Styric women tended them and gave them a pair
>of rings which came to symbolize their friendship.  "Tradition has it
>that the oval stones set in the rings were as pale as diamond when the
>two recieved them, but that their mingled blood permanently stained the
>stones, and the appear to this day to be deep red rubies."
>   

The stones (originally part of the Bhelliom) had the blue colour
removed from them by the main part of the Bhelliom itself (when they
were made), and were stained red by the iron in the blood of the
original Sparhawk and King Antor. (It is this iron which gives
Sparhawk his power over the stone)

Donal.
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From: jditsme@terapin.com (Jennifer Darmstadt)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:44:34 GMT
Organization: BBS

i actually did wanna quote but oh well....tsr may have had larry elmore on them
but after a while all the larry elmore works begin to look exactly alike...and
to many other artists have been using his work as prototypes fot thier
own....oh well...(sorry...i got tired of seeing larry elmore and larry elmore
lookalikes in most of the magazines i pick up at the local gaming
store)...:)...-jen
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:14:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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wilsom4@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Matt Wilson) writes:

>>Speaking of cover art, I think you are lucky if you have managed to
>>avoid the poor Delray covers. I personally like more the ones which
>>penguin, corgi & bantam books provide.

>I'm sorry, I'm a great fan of Edding's work, but this discussion on
>the cover art for the books is tedious. I have to ask who cares? 
>The whole idea in reading a book is to enjoy the images and the 
>characters that are really made up in your own head. Television
>for the mind. If you need to quibble about pictures...try 
>alt.picture-books

Firstly, if you don't like the discussion, you don't have to read the
thread, now do you?

Secondly, cover art does make some impression on first-time readers.
There have been numerous occasions when I (sadly) have put a book down
because the cover art looked REALLY LAME--scantily clad babes or
something.  I know a lot of people who, seeing the American paperback
versions of the Belgariad sitting on a shelf, didn't pick them up
because the SPINES of the books looked too "plain."  Go figure.

Thirdly, I find the comparisons of different versions' cover art to be
fascinating.  I am trying to collect different countries' editions of
the Belgariad and Malloreon (got US and Australian so far), and I
find any differences among versions, including cover art, quite
striking.

>Again, sorry if I've offended...

Hmm.  It just seems to be that the best way to deal with a thread you
don't care about it to not respond and let it die, rather than waste
bandwidth with a "what a dorky thread" message.


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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: gifs
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:43:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.194520.9803@athena.mit.edu> seung@athena.mit.edu (Seungtaek L Choi) writes:
>Where can I get the gifs of the maps of the Belgariad?

This group is a good place! I have already posted the main map of the
West (Sat 16th Jan) and am about to post the map of Mallorea.

Donal.
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: The Tamuli
Keywords: Tamuli
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:46:05 GMT

starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:

>tekkens@goofus.helios.nd.edu (tom ekkens) writes:


>(Del Rey here in the States, that is.  Other publishers in other
>countries may not be so picky.)

Ha! We wish.

Eccles
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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:25:25 GMT

In article <jditsme.3hqq@terapin.com> jditsme@terapin.com (Jennifer Darmstadt) writes:
>i actually did wanna quote but oh well....tsr may have had larry elmore on
>them but after a while all the larry elmore works begin to look exactly
>alike...and to many other artists have been using his work as prototypes fot
>thier own....oh well...(sorry...i got tired of seeing larry elmore and larry
>elmore lookalikes in most of the magazines i pick up at the local gaming
>store)...:)...-jen
>

It's OK. You are allowed to use capitals, punctuation and sentences
with us. We are human :)

Of course, if you really talk like that as well.... <sigh>

Donal.
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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Map gifs.
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:11:23 GMT

In article <C1DMn5.G9@adikia.sccsi.com> craig@adikia.sccsi.com (Craig Groeschel) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.160210.26014@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>Also, do you prefer gifs or jpegs? Both are equally easy (as the
>>scanner produces tiffs and I am not going to post those! :), but I
>>would prefer to post jpegs as they are much smaller, and fit in fewer
>>posts.
>
>...and JPEG's can have more colors.  If your scanner will give you more
>than 8 bits of color, then by all means post jpeg's.  Thanks for posting!!!

Extensive (well not very) research indicates that for the greyscale
images I post, gif is better than jpeg. Coloured images are unlikely
in the near future (this is due to the scanner, not me), so I will
continue to post gifs.

More importantly, which map do you want next? I can do any map from
the Malloreon or the Elenium, but earlier or later maps give me
problems (I don't have the books with me).

E-mail me with your requests (I read news every day, but it can take
several days for news to get here from some sites. Email is buch
better). I will choose one (or several if I have time) and post
it/them. 

Donal.
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From: craig@adikia.sccsi.com (Craig Groeschel)
Subject: Re: Map gifs.
Organization: Craig's Linux gonkulator
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:06:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.160210.26014@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>Also, do you prefer gifs or jpegs? Both are equally easy (as the
>scanner produces tiffs and I am not going to post those! :), but I
>would prefer to post jpegs as they are much smaller, and fit in fewer
>posts.

...and JPEG's can have more colors.  If your scanner will give you more
than 8 bits of color, then by all means post jpeg's.  Thanks for posting!!!
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From: zen@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Elenium--Bhelliom
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:18:09 PST
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In article <1993Jan24.194349.9704@athena.mit.edu>, seung@athena.mit.edu (Seungtaek L Choi) writes:
> the process in which the Bhelliom is created is described.  It says that the
> Troll, (forgot his name) carves the Bhelliom and then carves the control rings
> out of the same piece of sapphire as the Bhelliom.  How come then is the Bhelliom
> blue, while the control rings are red?  I would really appreciate the answer to
> this question.
-- 
      In the prologue of The Ruby Knight there is a part concerning the
the original Sparhawk and Antor the king.  It goes on to describe how 
after a battle a hooded Styric women tended them and gave them a pair
of rings which came to symbolize their friendship.  "Tradition has it
that the oval stones set in the rings were as pale as diamond when the
two recieved them, but that their mingled blood permanently stained the
stones, and the appear to this day to be deep red rubies."
   
Zen
                                                                           
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From: tao@fine.princeton.edu (Terry Tao)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:47:26 GMT

In article <memo.867282@cix.compulink.co.uk> shemminga@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>We all know the first rule of sorcery; you can't unmake anything.
>
>So, if you try to unmake, say, a pebble before you know it, you're
>history.
>
>But what happens if you try to unmake yourself? Nature complains and
>you get a blow back, but that just means you get your way and Nature
>doesn't want that does she?
>
>Discuss.
>
>

Using sorcery to destroy yourself is like trying to punch your right fist
(using your right hand, of course).

Can't be done.

Terry

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From: crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Re: Map gifs.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:03:21 GMT

In article <1jn4g2INNdtg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wai@unixg.ubc.ca (David Wai) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.160210.26014@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>[stuff about scanning maps/cover art]
>
>If I was going to do a proper job of this, I would need to put them
>all in a ftp site somewhere. Does anyone know a good place?
>
>Also, do you prefer gifs or jpegs? Both are equally easy (as the
>scanner produces tiffs and I am not going to post those! :), but I
>would prefer to post jpegs as they are much smaller, and fit in fewer
>posts.
>
>
Definately gif.  Jpeg doesn't work too well on this sort of picture, it is
designed more for photo's.  Gif, on the other hand, is much more common and 
works well on this kind of picture.
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From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: The Tamuli
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:06:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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Keywords: Tamuli

tekkens@goofus.helios.nd.edu (tom ekkens) writes:

>Oh Enlightened Fan Club

>I have just finished The Domes Of Fire for the fourth time 
>in as many weeks.  Is it just me or is the Tamuli much better
>than the Elenium?  It seems the character development is much
>better.

>To Dave Eddings (if he reads this board):  Can we crank up the
>	output speed?

I think "output speed" has more to do with the publisher (Del Rey)
than with Eddings...the publisher wants to make as much money as
possible from each book, so they wait until sales have dropped
substantially to release the next one.  Or, they wait until peak
times like Christmas...

(Del Rey here in the States, that is.  Other publishers in other
countries may not be so picky.)

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