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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Wasted talents
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:33:17 GMT
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Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <167m42INNkio@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)

> 	Patrick Burgin seems to be typecast in the role of 2-D bad buy,
> for example, the husband in Sleeping with the Enemy.  

Bergin is one of my favorite actors working today...and I can see where
you would say he is being type-cast, but I'm not sure that's true.  I think
he just hasn't been offered many BIG roles yet.  I felt he was by far the
best thing about _Patriot Games_, and while I agree the character was written
poorly, he made the most of it.

> I mean, if you had seen his work in Mountain of the Moons, his other 
> works seem painful in comparison.

This was an *amazing* movie, and Bergin was fantastic as Sir Captain Richard
Francis Burton.   (Not to be confused with Liz Talyor's ex...)  :^)
Run out and rent it today...everybody.

See also Bergin as the lead in FOX's _Robin Hood_ now available on video.
 
I've been told to avoid his film with Sean Young: _Love Crimes_, and other
opinions about it?  Any other Bergin films out there?

Greg Bole  bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu
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From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Re: AFTER HOURS 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:47:11 GMT

Loved it!   To me, it seems like a very un-Scorsese movie. It wasn't until the
third time I saw it that I realized he had directed it. Maybe I should see it 
again, now that I know who the hell directed it!
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
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From: fal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Francesca Lahiguera x6392)
Subject: DOES ANYONE KNOW THIS OBSCURE FRENCH FILM?
Reply-To: fal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Francesca Lahiguera x6392)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:20:05 GMT

I apologize for the wide distribution,
but I  have been trying to find this film,
and especially its soundtrack, for
years.

Title: Do Not Deliver Us from Evil (Ne Nous Deliverons
Pas du Mal). It is a French film made in 1970 or 1971.
I believe
it was orginally banned in France, but attained
cult status in the UK. It was about 2 rich teenage
girls  who are sent to a boarding school where they
play minds games and murder people. Sounds strange,
I know.

My parents saw this film and were very intrigued by
it. They had a copy (a 45) of the beautiful soundtrack,
which has since been lost, and which I've tried to find
 without success.

If anyone has seen this film, has seen it on video, or
has any idea where I could find the music, please send
email (I'll be travelling a lot this month, and your posting
my expire before I return if you just post to rec.movies).

Thanks for reading.
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From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: Manon of the Spring (was something really stupid)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:23:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.082649.23708@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
>In article <dogar.714172411@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes...
>
>} Also, some film titles are translated in the U.K.
>} Eg. One film title translated from American to whatever language it is
>} that they speak in the U.K. is "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles." :-)
>
>Quite right. When I was in London two years ago, I did a double-take when
>I realized that the t-shirts I was seeing for sale actually said "Teenage
>Mutant HERO Turtles", rather than "...Ninja...".


Caused by the BBC (or whomever showed the cartoon) disliking
the word "Nija" for a kiddies cartoon.  hence the T shirt
etc.

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Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:25145 alt.cult-movies:6831
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:15:37 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: John Woo
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley) writes:
 [First of all, thanks for typing this in.  It saved me having to
 buy Gorezone.  I hope nobody from there reads Usenet. ^_^]

 >"This film
 >will be much more optimistic than THE KILLER or BULLET IN THE HEAD,"
 >Woo allows.  "Here, innocence and justice will survive."

I was surprised when I first read this.  I suppose Woo is simply
being extremely sarcastic.  HARD BOILED is easily one of the most
brutal films ever made, with hundreds of individual deaths.  Most
of the victims are just bystanders.

Maybe when he talks about "innocence", he means that no babies are killed!
(You'll have to wait and see the film...)  As for justice, there isn't a
great deal of that, either.  Having said that, HB is an incredible,
full-on film, maybe his best yet.  I unhesitatingly recommend it.

I hope Hollywood doesn't spoil him.


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 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Manon of the Spring (was something really stupid)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)

In article <1992Aug19.082649.23708@engage.pko.dec.com>,
boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
|>In article <dogar.714172411@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H.
Dogar) writes...
|>
|>} Also, some film titles are translated in the U.K.
|>} Eg. One film title translated from American to whatever language it is
|>} that they speak in the U.K. is "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles." :-)
|>
|>Quite right. When I was in London two years ago, I did a double-take when
|>I realized that the t-shirts I was seeing for sale actually said "Teenage
|>Mutant HERO Turtles", rather than "...Ninja...".
|>
|>I guess in the UK, ninjas are not considered positive role models. :-)
|>

   The story at the time was that any film that came before the BBFC
which had "Ninja" in the title automatically received an '18'
certificate (i.e no one under 18 years old whatsoever). This was
comparible to the fact that any film with the word "Chainsaw" in the
title was automatically banned!!
   Censorship shoots itself in the foot once more.
         
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From: deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:18:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Unforgiven (Was Re: Unforgivable)  ***SPOILERS***
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies


   My sweetie and I went to see it this weekend.  I read the superlatives
about "Unforgiven" on this board and went in with very high expectations.
I like Eastwood a lot, and we both planned to see it nonetheless, but
the posts here raised our expectations.

   So, we went, we watched, and we went home.  It was a good movie.  We
both liked it.  But, there were more than few times I found myself
drifting.  Bored.  Perhaps I wasn't in tune to the subtle interplay's and
nuances, and the movie didn't cater to me a great deal.  We both thought it
was slow, although there were plenty of good points.  I think the character
played by Eastwood was muddy, as some posters mentioned, however.

   Overall, I'll rent the video when it comes out.  But I wouldn't buy
it.   Now, "Pale Rider," or "The Outlaw Josey Wales," well, THERE'S
another story. . . .

Dean Cashen
-- Boise
From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Grace Kelly (was: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:05:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: alexandr.jjonsson.91
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah

Lest we not forget, the most beautiful woman ever to appear in movies was 
Grace Kelly. Bar None she was absolutely the most elegant, stately, and 
absolutely gorgeous female ever to grace (and I mean grace) the silver 
screen. It's a pity she married and left the movies. 

Sigh. . .

P.S. if you don't believe me check out "Rear Window." Double Sigh. . .


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: *GREAT MOVIE ACTORS*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:17:41 GMT
Keywords: male only (hunks vs. babes)

My office mate and I compiled the following list, dividing the actors into 2
groups, those who are definite hunks and those who are attractive in a
sophisticated way but not quite hunky.  The second list is not in 
any way less attractive than the first, just attractive in a different way.

HUNKS

Errol Flynn
Gregory Peck
Gary Cooper
Rod Taylor
Richard Burton
Sean Bean (sp?)(vengeful Irishman whose brother is killed in PATRIOT GAMES)
Robert De Niro
Al Pacino
Michael Douglas
Rutger Hauer
Alec Baldwin
Kyle McLachlan

JUST AS ATTRACTIVE BUT NOT QUITE HUNKY

Klaus Maria Brandauer
Julian Sands
Ronald Coleman
Rupert Everett
Peter O'Toole
Richard Harris


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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner "Director's Cut" 9/11 in SD
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:40:36 GMT

In article <36892@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah) writes:
>
>I just picked up a flyer  . . . which is touting "The
>Director's cut of one of the most stylish and influential films of
>the past decade... 
> It also mentions that it's an "Exclusive San Diego
>Engagement" and will start Friday 9/11.  So the obvious question of
>course is if this is the rough cut that's been already been playing
>around the country here and there or is this finally the Ridley
>Scott approved/"restored" version that he's been talking about doing
>for so long?
>
I think it is the director's cut that's been promised.  It's officially
on the studio's release schedule, so, if it isn't the true director's
cut, I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.  The studio is shooting
the publicity wad on this one.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee's son?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:39:06 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <twong.05z8@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> twong@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>Now this could be interesting... Brandon Lee (which I assume is son of Bruce
>Lee) is staring in his own movie due out soon.. The trailers look interesting
>if you're into these type of movies. 
> 
>I wonder if he's as gifted(?) as his father.. charisma and physique-wise..
> 

Yes.  It's called Rapid Fire - I saw the first TV ad for it yesterday.
This movie was produced by a friend of mine (Gerald Olson - Jerry to his
friends) who was quite impressed by Brandon.  Jerry has always been open
about which of his movies to see and which ones to miss.  He is quite
proud of Rapid Fire and told me it is a MUST SEE.

I expect to go the opening on Friday, but will be out of town next week
so I won't be able to post my opinion until I get home.  I'm sure others
will post their reviews and opinions before I do!

Jann VanOver
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From: em@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Ethan Montag)
Subject: Re: Why I Like Colorization
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.150911.7093@ifi.unizh.ch> hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
>In article <902@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>>Colorization is only done to a *video* version of the film, not a celluloid
>>version. Most black and white films were done without TV in mind. TV has
>>much less contrast than film does, the result being that many B&W films
>>are difficult to see well on TV (especially night scenes). I find that
>>colorization brings out the details of the scene much better so it is less
>>of a strain on the eye to see. I get tired of low light scenes where all
>>I can make out is a face or two (glorious B&W indeed!, more like glorious
>>black).
>You don't need at all colorization to adapt the gray scale range of movies to
>TV. Some gray scale histogram modification is all it takes.
>								M.H.

This reminds me of the time when i wanted to buy a TV when I was a poor 
grad student.  I decided to get a b&w tv to save some money so I asked the 
salesman in the TV shop if they had any.  He told me  that they no longer
sold them but that I could turn down the color nob to watch in black in white.
After checking in a couple of other stores I returned and bought a TV in the
first shop.  As he handed me my receipt he said, "Enjoy it," and I told him
that I'll try but that I hope that color stuff doesn't get in the way.

But seriously, as long as the colorization doesn't change the brightnesses,
you should be able to just turn down the color.  I hope that they consider
this when they colorize a movie.  When they showed the colorized version of
"it's a wonderful life" I did turn down the color and it looked OK.
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: StarTrek IV mistake
Keywords: StarTrek picture
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:16:25 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

>bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug18.015300.21354@m.cs.uiuc.edu> medanic@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ivan Medanic) writes:
>>>This might have already been discussed but have any of you noticed that when
>>>Kirk looks at his sons picture on the desk that it is in black and white. I
>>>find this very funny when you consider how far in the future the setting of
>>>StarTrek is that they did not use a color picture, when you consider that 
>>>black and white picture had probably not been produced in over 500 years.

I've got a feeling I read somewhere that this photo was only added as an
afterthought, and was the only available one at short notice.

Mind you, there should have been a photo of him there, really, given the tone
of the film, Kirk's malice etc.

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

            "I am primarily an explorer now." - JTK
             "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat" - JTK
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:21:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan) writes:

>spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>
>>>he's supposed to played Stairway... 
>
>>It totally kills the humor.  The original gag was just so incredibly
>>funny...
>
>I don't think so.  I saw the tape with some people who hadn't seen it
>in the theatres and they laughed just as much as I did originally.
>The joke was not lost.

Seeing it without the original notes would not make it not funny, but 
it would definately change the joke.  The sign would still be funny, 
but Dana Carvey's apology wouldn't have made sense.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
From: ab4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anish Bharat Bhimani)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee's son?
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:42:30 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.movies: 17-Aug-92 Bruce Lee's son? Thomas
Wong@nucleus.cuc. (272)

>Now this could be interesting... Brandon Lee (which I assume is son of >Bruce
>Lee) is staring in his own movie due out soon.. The trailers look interesting
>if you're into these type of movies. 
 
>I wonder if he's as gifted(?) as his father.. charisma and physique-wise..
 

If I remember correctly, Brandon did a movie with Dolph Lundgren and Tia
Carrere called "Showdown in Little Tokyo" last year, in which he played
Dolph's naive cop partner as they took on the Yakuza. My roommate and I
both commented on the fact that, even though Brandon was pretty cut, he
looked like a twig next to Dolph. Maybe he'll get to shine a little in
his own movie . . .
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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: UNFORGIVEN. WOW !
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:42:21 GMT

pierres@microsoft.com (Pierre Stromberg) writes:
: 
: 
:      What on earth was Clint Eastwood trying to say when he posed in
: front of the American flag at the end ? Was he trying to suggest that
: it's dangerous for America to play the policeman of the world ? That
: American values have become perverted in a haze of selfrighteousness ?
: What ?!
:

     The latest issue of Time seems to say that as well. I am waiting
for it to hit here with BATED breath !!
 

kelvyn
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:37:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

My boyfriend, who owns the tv and vcr, calls them 'fingers of God.'
From: csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:59:58 GMT
Reply-To: csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA


The ultimate BABE performance of all time 
has got to be Lana Turner in the original
Postman Always Knocks Twice(John Garfield version)
From: kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:31:39 GMT
Organization: CRS San Diego UUCP Gateway

In article <ed.714095560@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>What's the poop on the new Dracula film?
> 
>I heard that it's directed by Francis Ford Coppolla, stars Winona Ryder
>as Mina, Anthony Hopkins as Van Helsing, and whatsisname as Drac.  
> 
>Any new news?  When'll it be out?  WILL it be out?  What company is
>releasing it?  Info, info, info!

It looks *really* nice.  Coppola was at the San Diego Comic Con
to talk about the movie.  I missed the first ten minutes or so of
the presentation, but the basic gist is that Coppola was really
trying for a faithful adaptation of the book, down to the cowboy
from Texas who's one of Lucy(?)'s suitors.  And by whatsisname, I
take it you mean Gary Oldman (SID AND NANCY, JFK, ROSENCRANTZ AND
GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD, PRICK UP YOUR EARS)?  :-)

Oldman makes a great giant bat, old Dracula, young Dracula, prince
Dracul, Vlad the Impaler, mist and about a gazillion other
forms. :-)

Why he cast Oldman:

"A lot of times when I'm in a spot and there isn't any one who is
exactly the one you'd cast, who just seems to fit the bill... I
tend to just go for the most brilliant actor.  When we 
did THE GODFATHER, we looked ... at 60-year-old Italian guys
who could possibly be the Godfather, but there wasn't anyone who
fit the bill. I said, "Let's just get the greatest actor in the
world: get Marlon Brando or Lawrence Olivier, and see what they
would do..."

Coppola mentioned that the majority of the effects that were done
were in-the-camera effects: double exposure, mirrors, and live
effects, rather than post-production/digital stuff in order
to keep with the feel and soul of the period.  He even used an
old hand-cranked camera for some scenes.

It was shot on the stages at Columbia Studios in 69 days.

The script had been brought to Coppola by Winona Ryder, and it
differs from the book mostly in that it ties in Vlad the Impaler
and his wife's death in an initial scene (Winona Ryder gets to lie
like a corpse while blood pours down all over her.)

I'm trying to make out something from my tape recorder, but
there's a little too much cheering for Anthony Hopkins' name to
be absolutely sure.  I *think* Cary Elwes name is mentioned, and
whoever it is playing Renfield got such a big cheer I can't
figure out who it is.  <sigh>.

Just from the trailer, Hopkins looks great.  He plays Van
Helsing with a really cool (German?) accent.  Ryder uses an
English accent.

It should be worth catching.

--Kathy Li aka the Rev. Mom
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Ezster Balint Filmfest of the Mind
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:20:07 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

rice@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice) writes:

>I've been trying to see every film Ezster Balint has been in.

Doesn't this belong to the "** ULTIMATE MOVIE BABES **" thread?
-- 
No News is Bad News
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Kim Basinger
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:33:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>ckk+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chris Koenigsberg) writes:


>>So what's next for her after Cool World?

>Dinner theater?

A 90 minute special on Unsolved Mysteries, discussing her
acting abilities.


-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
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