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From: ianking@nnsgs52 (Ian King)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: Dispell The Myth Of Imortality
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: ianking@lon40.nt.com
Distribution: uk
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Peter Rose (pr@praxis.co.uk) wrote:

: I believe one of the causes of motor accidents to be the false sense of
: security and isolation induced by modern vehicles.

: I am trained as an emergency ambulance driver and/or crew member for the 
: British Red Cross. In this capacity I have seen a number of fairly
: unpleasent accidents and injuries, both on and off the public highway. 

: I believe that seeing the aftermath of an accident first hand and close up
: is one of the best deterents to bad driving that I can imagine. I do not
: think that rubber-necking at accidents as you drive past them really has
: sufficient impact (unless it is a really spectacular pile up or bodies etc
: are visible).

: Ideally each and every driver would be required to be a passenger with either
: the police, fire or ambulance service attending an RTA before being granted a 
: license. This however, apart from being impracticle, may even be cruel. 
: Prehaps some sort of accident video presentation as a mandatory component
: of a driving course is called for? 


17 years ago I was almost killed (as a passenger) in a car when somebody
rammed into its side from a petrol station. I still have some of the scars
and I am lucky to be alive.

I suppose thats why I why I drive carefully.

Regards...
.........Ian
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From: jmorris@spider.co.uk (John Morris)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: Speed Limits
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:53:13 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1993Jan18.153127.13273@praxis.co.uk> martin@praxis.co.uk (Martin Croxford) writes:
>
>"You should be nicked" for driving at an inappropriate speed. On
>motorways this could be 100mph in most conditions, 70mph in heavy
>rain/heavy traffic or 25mph in "normal" conditions. Outside a school
>(assuming a 30mph limit) this could be 45mph at 3 in the morning, 35mph
>in most other conditions or 20mph at 3.45pm when the kids are going home.
>
I think you are restricting the use of "inappropriate" to the safety aspects.
I live in a house which fronts directly onto a main road, and the bedroom
is at the front of the house. A car at 45mph is quite a lot louder than one
at 30mph - and it really p***** me off when the gentle drift into sleep
gets rudely aborted by some inconsiderate oaf who drives through fast 
because "there is nobody about."

John.


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Newsgroups: uk.transport
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Power limits for beginners (was Re: Assholes and Education)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:24:29 +0000

:: I wasn't sure if you were serious or not.  The problem with this is that it
:: is the driver's attitude that is the problem.  Even a 900cc Fiat can do
:: nearly 80mph.  Although it can't accelerate very quickly it is still possible
:: to wind it up to speed and then hold it at high speeds on country roads.

:It's a good point... there is considerable incentive to corner too
:fast in a car with poor acceleration, because it takes so long to
:reach cruising speed again on the next straight

I hope *you* don't feel like this.  When I used to drive Army Landrovers
which were about as underpowered on acceleration as you could get, I
would regularly slow down for corners precisely because of this - you
couldn't accelerate out of them (the acceleration hit about 5 secs
after you pushed the pedal :-( ) and they were too light to hold the
road well on a turn (the dangers of aluminium frame light air-portables...)

G
PS I *know* how unstable they are - one time (on a private army range road)
I did try to accelerate out of a bend when going too fast the Landie took
up on two wheels for a hundred yards or so... quite a trick.  Wish I could
do it on purpose :-) )
From: amatthew@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Matthews)
Newsgroups: uk.transport
Subject: Re: City Traffic
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:34:22 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT

In article <1993Jan20.133858@cs.bham.ac.uk>, roj@cs.bham.ac.uk (Robert O Jackson) writes:
|> Its a shame that the cost of catching the bus from point A (or rather the nearest
|> bus stop) to point B (or some point near it) costs as much as if not more than
|> driving from point A to point B.

Possibly if you live in a rural area this is the case. But for the vast
majority of commuters travelling through built-up areas this is only
superficially true.

Try taking into account the cost to an individual (over a year) of:

buying the car in the first place
car tax 
car insurance
general maintenance

and also the less quantifiable costs which everyone contributes to:

cost of road repairs caused by every extra car on the road
cost of new roads / road widening needed due to the extra cars on the road
cost of pollution

On that basis, public transport is cheaper not only for individuals but for
society as a whole.

( 
Apologies if you subscribe to the Mrs Thatcher "there is no such thing
as society, only individuals"  view :-) 
)

Alan

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From: aw1@stade.co.uk (Adrian Wontroba)
Newsgroups: midlands.general,uk.misc
Subject: Free (broken) modems
Summary: Two dead TrailBlazers looking for a good home
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:50:41 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: uk
Organization: Stade Computers Limited, UK

I have two broken TrailBlazers available, free to anybody who cares
to come and take them off my hands. The first person who actually
arrives to collect them wins.

One is a Dowty TrailBlazer so old that it cannot perform uucp
spoofing. This worked well for a long time, and then became erratic.

The other is a Telebit TrailBlazer Plus, with fried internal and
external power supplies. Some of the components are so damaged that
it is not possible to determine what they are.

Phone me on 021-373-9546 (day or evening, not night!) or mail
aw1@stade.co.uk to arrange collection.
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From: geoffb@inmos.co.uk (Geoff Barrett)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:01:44 GMT
Distribution: uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Janusz Lukasiak (zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
: One (and possibly only) reason for having both is to be able to use 
: the 'right' card in a place which accepts only one sort.

: Has anybody encountered  a retailer who refused, say, a Visa and
: accepted Access  or vice versa ? I'm talking about some kind of 
: realistic situations 
: (e.g. shops, restaurants, travel agents, hotels in Europe and USA), I'm not
: bothered by what'll do nicely at a crocodile farm in Upper Patagonia.

There are a lot of places in Germany which accept MasterCard but not
Visa.

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From: benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:29:51 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <SM.93Jan21152109@suns2.cel.co.uk> sm@cel.co.uk (salim mehta) writes:
 >
 >The ISO standard code for UK currency is GBP (eg. used on airline tickets).
 >
 >However I believe that the currency symbol we use is now out of date. The
 >flouncy L was OK when we had Lsd; now our pennies are abbr. p. The pound
 >should be abbr. P. This gives:
 >
 >	100p = 1P
 >
 >This conveniently matches the ISO descriptor.

No, I don't think it should be. The main reason being it would cause far
too much confusion between p and P. Sometimes it is not possible to use
lower-case letters. OK, so you could differentiate a bit by making P50
be 50 pounds and 50P be 50 pence but I don't think this is anywhere near
clear enough. I can't think of any other currencies that use the same
symbol (or different versions of it) to represent the two amaounts in
their currency. Can you?


Ben.

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From: kevinh@shlv2.co.uk (Kevin Harkin)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:31:52 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Saville and Holdsworth Ltd, Uk

In article <dhs.727616891@issun3> dhs@is.city.ac.uk (David Sheryn) writes:
>
>
>Sounds like a good scheme; but I'd vote for uk.pubs so that us malt whisky
>drinkers get a look in as well...
>
>David

By the same token, I would also vote for uk.pubs for us whiskey and wine
drinkers. ( whiskey & wine ??? sounds like the name of a song!!!).

    -K.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ?? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:29:09 +0000

In article <C17BKv.92G@cck.coventry.ac.uk> sek@cch.coventry.ac.uk writes:

!Sounds a good idea?  A student guide to the best pubs in Britain...

The trouble is that Coventry's city centre pubs are, on the whole, not that
good.... I blame the students:-))))) But the Campbell used to do good cheap
food.

D

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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:20:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

R A Hollands (s0rah@exnet.co.uk) wrote:
> In article <C15CLw.9zq@micrognosis.co.uk> jharuni@micrognosis.co.uk writes:
> >I wrote:
> >[What is a good way to write "10 pounds" other than spelling it out in full ?]
> >
> >Thanks for all your responses.  Looks like "GBP 10" is the winner.  I prefer
> >it to either #10 or L10.
> >
> 
> What do you call "#"?  In this thread it's been "hash", "hatch" and
> "sharp".  I've also seen "gate" (on instructions for Prestel).
> 
> Best of all though is in the docs for PC AWK: there it's called "the
> octothorp".  My dictionary doesn't believe this and I'm not sure I do. 
> Anyone else heard it?
> 
> Richard
> [s0rah@exnet.co.uk]

Yes, check the ASCII guide in The New Hacker's Dictionary! 
I've seen octothorpe used for '#' in US computer manuals for quite a long time,
certainly as far back as 80-ish...

pete
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: roy@harlqn.co.uk (Roy Badami)
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
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	<1993Jan19.175936.18692@eng.cam.ac.uk> <30471@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:18:05 GMT

In article <30471@castle.ed.ac.uk> eset08@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Strobridge) writes:

   I sometimes write 10 quid.   It provokes a few interesting responses -
   not everyone knows this term but I'm often surprised how many people 
   do recognise it!

Really?  I think it's understood pretty well everywhere in the UK.  Or
are you talking about posting to non uk groups?
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When we reach that point, whatever happenned _will_ happen again...
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Subject: Exchange Resources in Bath
Organization: University of Sussex
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:16:27 GMT

Does anyone know whether the recruitment agency Exchange Resources
in Bath still exists? It recruited computer people into ethical jobs
I believe. Hope someone can help

Nigel



Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Subject: Re: Computer Auctions..?
Organization: The City University
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:28:20 GMT

The simplest source of information on dates of auctions is "Micro-Computer Mart"
published "every Thursday" (often out on the Wednesday). It doesn't have
all the companies, but does have many of them.

Andy

Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: Shorthold Tenancies
Organization: Department of Law - Coventry University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:11:39 GMT

In article <JRG.93Jan18123251@oak44.doc.ic.ac.uk> jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk (James Grinter) writes:
>In article <C0yo4C.AJ9@news2.cis.umn.edu> alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan) writes:
>   >In article <164@bjcong.bj.co.uk>, daw@bjcong.bj.co.uk (Darren Wilkes) writes:
>   >|> >Where does the law stand on deposits?
>
>   Depends on your agency... I suspect that legally they are supposed to
>   return the interest, but I'm not sure of this.
>
>I don't believe they are in the case of tenancies and such. I
>understand that money lodged with solicitors when BUYing a house will
>result in interest being repayed and things though.


** In the case of the Solicitor he must return the money with interest 
   as a result of the common law 'fiduciary' rules and the 
   Law Society Accounting Rules. The same applies to anyone in a fiduciary
   position - The duty to account exists (Trustees, Agents etc)

   
   


   

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:04:55 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
> `Sebastian, I say, what can we sell the toffs once they've bought a
> mobile phone?'
> 
> `Well, Jules, we could try to sell their wives one.  To ring home in
> case they get kidnapped by a mad axe-wielding rapist.  To set their
> husbands' minds at ease.  We could sort of pretend the cost is lower by
> putting the price up, if you see what I...'

As Private Eye readers will know, the real reason for the enormous amount of
advertising spend on the "Low Call" and "Lifetime" services is that Mercury
are rumoured to be about to launch a competing service at a fraction of the
price.  Hence the existing duopoly is trying to get as many people as
possible to sign the low-rate tariff contracts, which specify that you have
to give them 12 months' notice to cancel your subscription.


mathew
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: VDU - Very Deadly Units?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78A9F4BEF030855@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:58:01 GMT

In article <7437@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> Michael!, bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk writes:
>Okay so we're well into Jan 93 already but does anybody know whether
there was
>a new law passed/come into effect on 1/1/93 regarding VDUs; I was under
the impression
>that all VDUs now had to be fitted with anti-radiating devices.

Not according to the briefing I received at work. The EC 
directives refer to strain injuries such as RSI and CTS but not 
electromagnetic emissions. Although these were considered ny the safety 
committees, they decided that there was not enough evidence to legislate.

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From: sjl@compnews.co.uk (Steve Lacey)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship in UK
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:19:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ivan@spider.co.uk (Ivan Reid) writes:
(text deleted)
: I'm sure there is a "sound" reason why they don't carry these groups, but
: then why do they bother to carry the alt groups that they do then?
: 
: <sigh> only in Britain ... :-)

Here we go again....:)

Steve
From: cs89ssg@brunel.ac.uk (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Olympic technologies
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:20:25 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Thoughits not all bad news. I know of at least two people who
bought machines quite a while ago and their credit card
still hasnt been charged.

One bought his machine in August, another Bought theres 
in November

This is the sort of time that I wish I had a time machine.
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Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)
Return-Path: <news>
Subject: Re: Papa! Nicole! (was Re: Ariston music for TV Advert)
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
Distribution: uk
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:48:31 +0000

In article <727544222.10410@minster.york.ac.uk>, adh@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> the motorcyclist had chosen to drive the long way. because. and especially
|> because it was a bright red ducati.
|> 
|> if i have to explain, i cannot do so,
|> adh

Wasn't it a blue Ducati ? I know all Ducatis are presumed to be red,
but I don't think this one was. 

Was it just me, or does anyone else think that the advert worked
better for the m/c than the Clio ??

Lisa






Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Re: Symbol
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:10:51 GMT

In <20706.9301251730@central1.lancaster.ac.uk> pyc081@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (The Rave Child) writes:
>
>In article <zlsiida.823@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>>
>>We have a guy here who calls "!" "shriek"
>>
>>and why not?
>
>A lot of mathematicians pronounce factorials as 'bang', for instance
>
>'4 bang = 24'
>
>Zack

On the other hand, calling it 'pling' seems to closely associated
with a background in BCPL and/or connections with Cambridge Uni.

In my days as an APL programmer, we actually called it 'factorial',
even though it also means 'combinations' (or is that 'permutations')
but of course in APL the argument to a monadic function goes to the
right of the function (it's more consistent than standard mathematical
notation), so we would have said "24=!4".

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From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:58:33 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@muser
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Christopher Adams (cs_a271@ceres.kingston.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: Why not call it 'uk.alcohol', that way it'd encompass beer, cider, whisky,
: pubs, breweries, shops and cans. Perhaps it could even be made to stretch
: to include lager if people are desperate enough :-)

Yech! no way!! What about alt.lager.recovery?

Can't we keep this tast[eful|y]?

what about a uk.sin. hierarchy anyway?

Steve (about to leave for NICE food and pub)
From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:49:16 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

In article <6527@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak) writes:
> Has anybody encountered  a retailer who refused, say, a Visa and
> accepted Access  or vice versa ? I'm talking about some kind of 
> realistic situations 
Duty free shop at Munich airport last summer, only took Visa (or was is
mastercard..?). In America I found it not too uncommon for onyl one to be
accepted too.

ken
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