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From: grass@ulysses.att.com (Judith Grass)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Canning Cookbooks
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:25:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

I have titles for you, but no authors or ISBNs.... Take a look
at "Books in Print" for more info (A good bookstore will have that.
A better bookstore will have the books).

    "Putting Food By" :  This is the home canning bible.  Copious
        instructions and basic recipes for all
        kinds of home preserving: canning (pressure, boiling
        water, glass or cans), pickling, freezing, drying... you name it.
        The recipes are basic, but they are reliable and good

    "Fancy Pantry":  More jams, jellies, preserves, relishes, and more.
        Much more elaborate recipes, many have become household favorites.
        But... not as good instructions in the why and wherefores of
        canning, so probably not a beginners book.

    "Jams and Jellies": A Dover re-release of a book from 1917.  You can
        get recipes here, but learn technique elsewhere.

I have another new one.  If I can remember when I get home, I'll add that to 
list.  Also:  The Ball corporation (they make most of the mason jars I've seen)
puts out their own "Canning Blue Book".  Boxes of Ball Jars usually contain
an order form for it.  I don't have one, so I don't know how good it is.
It ought to be authoratative about processing times and such.

        -- Judy Grass   AT&T Bell Labs
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: ware@ee.ualberta.ca (Philip Andrew Ware)
Subject: Heritage seeds
Summary: Archive of heritage seed subject wanted.
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:44:06 GMT



I just returned from a trip with a young woman who
works at a heritage site here in town, namely Fort
Edmonton Park.  She supervises the 1890's green house
as is interested in collecting older varieties of seed
and I thought I could be of some assistance, rather
someone out there in netland could be.

If you have any archives of past heritage seed discussions
or even a number of a heritage seed bank, I and she would
be grateful.

thanks in advance,
Phil Ware
ware@bode.ee.ualberta.ca


Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Seasons and Locations of Produce
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:35:50 GMT

In article <1453300080@igc.apc.org> 
studentcoord@igc.apc.org (Alex Brozan) writes:
>HI... I am looking for information about where, when, and with what
>produce we get in American supermarkets is grown.  I am a member of a 
>student cooperative, and as such we always try to buy local, organic 
>produce. But I would like to find out some BASIC information about

Hmm, kind of a complicated question. If you really want to know, you should
be able to find info at your local library or USDA. I'll see if I can come
up with a quick answer. Bananas are from the tropics, largly tropical America.
Temperate fruit like apples and pears and peaches comes mostly from western
N. America with some from Europe during summer and fall and comes from
New Zealand, Chile and Australia during the northern winter and spring. Grains
come from the central US and Canada. Vegetables come from Florida, California
desserts and Mexico during winter and the source moves north as summer
progresses. Most vegetables come from Ca, Ore, Wa during the growing season.
Potatoes come from eastern Or, Wa and Idaho. Sugar comes from sugar beets
grown all over the US and from cane from tropical America. Does this give you
a flavor? At one time, produce was grown locally, so for example New Jersey
really was the garden state for NYC. But today, the cost and logistics of
shipping and storage have allowed for produce from the other side of the
globe. There is a dependency on relatively cheap crude oil, so as the cost
of crude rises as we begin to deplete supplies, it will become cost effective
to grow produce locally once again.
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From: lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond)
Subject: More Soddy Notes!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:33:58 GMT


Well, my sod was put in almost 3 weeks ago. Watered 2 times a day for the
first 10 days. Have watered 1 time a day for about 10 days. So I finally
mowed it today. And I left the cut grass there. Isn't that what you're
supposed to do? And how will this effect my watering needs? Thank you.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Sensitive plants (??)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:18:28 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Paul Harvey, on why a Mimosa pudica touch response:
> Presumably for the same reason we touch them and watch them, because we can?
> I don't think anyone has come up with a good scientific reason for this rapid
> response. Maybe you can figure it out. Most legumes open and fold their 
> leaflets, only slower than M. pudica. It does serve to conserve moisture at
> night or during cloudy days and lessens the weight of water on the plant 
> during heavy downpoors. But, why else? And why the need for a rapid response?
> Scares preditors, seems unlikely. 

The hypothesis I like best is that the rapid response makes the foliage
"disappear" from view of an herbivore that just started munching.  Makes
the stickers more prominent, too...

Kay Klier
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: Mike King
Subject: Re: Growing Foxglove (digitalis)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.215158.27912@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN
HEIM	) writes:
>Does anyone know what care I have to give my Foxglove plants so that 
>they over-winter well?  I'm in southern Wisconsin and I'm concerned 
>that they will be frozen out.  The seed packet said they are biennial. 
>I don't know if that means that they'll start over from ground 
>level (like a mum) or if I have to make sure this year's growth has to 
>be protected (like a rose bush).
>
>John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
>
>"If there's something wrong with the computer, its sophisticated diagnostics 
>will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
>part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
>
In Ottawa, no special protection seems to be needed. When the plant has reached
the stage of seeding itself I just take the stalk with all the seed pods and
scatter the seeds around liberally in the areas I want the plant to grow. Lots
of small seedlings will appear (you can thin them, I don't bother. I let nature
take its course) and grow into moderate size "rosettes" of leaves, some of
which winter over. I put straw over most of the perennials. I suppose more of
the digitalis would survive the winter with a straw cover, but I get lots,
anyway.      Mike King.
From: louiset@informix.com (Louise Twiggs)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: flourescent lights for growing
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:17:20 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1791m0INN1k3@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:
>I'm not a regular member of this group.  Please excuse the intrusion.  But
>I've got a question.  
>
>I sort of get the impression that 'grow lights' are flourescent lights, but
>more expensive.  So the question is, will my indoor plants appreciate it if
>I leave my compact flourescent reading light (the kind that screws into a
>normal socket) on for them while I'm in other rooms doing other things, or
>am I just wasting my money?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-diverson
>
>
>--
>diverson@phys.ksu.edu


Lighting for plants etc can be quite a complex subject, there are
many different types of lighting with many different prices to suit.

I am also a regular reader of the various aquarist news groups, and
there is a long article on the various types of lights in their FAQ.
I cannot remember which of the aquarist groups though - there are
three. You may wish to take a look there.

Louise Twiggs
Informix Software Ltd - UK
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.090527.18690@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu (John Snyder) writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.230309.1975@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:
>>Our local tap water in Palo Alto has a PH of around 5.5.  This wreaks
>>havoc with my hydroponic gardening, since the PH decreases rapidly as
>>the nutrient solution is used up.
...
>>Perhaps some chemical I could buy from a chemical
>>supply house that would be cheaper than $10/qt for PH Up (and a lot
>>stronger).

>Perhaps baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)?  [Would have the side effect of
>putting a lot of sodium into the solution, however.  Maybe you would want
>some other bicarbonate.  The bicarbonate when neutralized would increase
>the levels of dissolved CO2, also, I think]

>What do aquariums use?  Maybe you could use that, too?

Aquariums usually use sodium bicarbonate.  They also use something called
Bullseye that's a buffer that adjusts the pH to 7.0 (other pHs also available)
but $10/quart for this stuff would be cheap.

Many commercial pH raisers for tap water allow the water to run over marble
chips (calcium carbonate), perhaps this could be used?  But this is close
to the 'treat with lime' idea.  This also makes the water harder.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: tadams@wedge.sbc.com (Tom. Adams 529-7860)
Subject: Re: Scientific/Common Names: 2 cultures (was Dolphin violet)
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 02:00:53 GMT



I've been looking for a good botany text for a while now.  Anyone out there 
recommend a book to learn the proper scientific names of ordinary plants?

--
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From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: bonsai
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:55:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article: <1992Sep1.183457.1710@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
    (J Farley Norman) <fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> asks:

> Hi,
> 
>   I've gotten interested in bonsai (potted trees)
> lately.  I've found various books here and there
> and now have six or so.  I've been to Japan and
> have bought most of the tools that I'll need.
> 
>   What I'm wondering is :
> 
>     Does anyone know if there are any magazines
> devoted to bonsai ?  Mail order places to get
> related tools, supplies, etc ?
> 
>   An american or british magazine about bonsai
> would really be useful, I'm sure.
> 
>       Thanks !
> 
>   Farley Norman
>   fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Try New England Bonsai at 89 Pleasant Street, Natick, MA 01760, 
508-653-6330.  They do mail-order and have a nice collection of the tools 
and magazines.

--Jill

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From: lewisg@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (TEMPORARILY METABOLICALLY ENABLED)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: RE:Horticulture via telnet (question?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:55:27 EST

I tryed to log on to the telnet genius.usask.ca.....but had no password...
is there one that can be passed on to my novice little computer mind????
From: cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: spots on peonies
Keywords: HELP
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:54:13 GMT
Reply-To: cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The University of Chicago

There are big, ugly brown spots on the leaves of my peonies.
What is this?  What should I do?

These guys didn't bloom in the first spring after we moved
into our house, so I raised the buds, and got them flowering.
Now I'm rather attached to them.

Thanks,
Laura
cuzz@midway.uchicago.edu
From: ellie@slumber.sybase.com (Ellen Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Huge green bugs eating my tomatoes
Date: 24 Aug 92 22:56:27 GMT

One other not particularly garden-related reason not to use
pesticides, or at least to use them as sparingly as possible,
is in sympathy for the poor folks who have the misfortune of
living anywhere near a company that manufactures pesticides.
(And it's no surprise that those folks generally are poor.) 

I feel that anytime I buy a poison, it's as if I'm voting--
"Poison is okay by me." But it's not okay with me that people
in surrounding communities are threatened or harmed by its
manufacture, transport, and use. So often US chemical 
companies are manufacturing poisons abroad where the governments
don't regulate them as strictly. Those people may not have
the opportunities we have for defending our environment.

I figure that if I don't want poisons manufactured near me, 
then I don't want it near anyone else either. Maybe we are getting
better about regulating corporations and being safe about
using toxins, (big maybe...) but there still are a lot of accidents and 
violations. And there are so many places where so much
damage has been done (the recent train spill in the delta,
that city in India where thousands were injured, the site just
a few miles from my house where DDT was recently found piled 
three feet thick under the floor) that I just
don't feel good about giving pesticide companies my vote/dollar.

-ellie

p.s. If you only knew how completely creeped out I am by all bugs of
any kind! Unecological as it is, I do wish they'd all die, or move
to another planet. I can't even squish them without mustering all of
my gumption...usually I have to get help. But still...I don't want
other people to risk being poisoned to spare me.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: tomatoes won't ripen
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:46:23 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>>you can pick them - they will turn red in the house (don't put them
>>in a sunny windowsill though - this can 'cook' them)
> 
>      Best way we've found to ripen them - put them in a brown paper bag.  You
> can put them up to three layers deep (any deeper and the bottom ones start
> getting squished!  Put the greenest/firmest on the bottom layer, and check
> *every* single day.  

May I butt in to say that there is more to ripening than reddening of the
skin?  Ethylene gas will cause the skin of a tomato to redden, but the
flesh is still loaded with starch that hasn't been hydrolyzed to sugar,
so the tomato is not sweet like a vine ripened tomato.  Also there are 
a number of important flavor compounds that don't get synthesized until
just before the tomato is ready to redden normally, without an extra
source of ethylene.  

Guess I must be a particularly picky eater, but I give up on fresh tomatoes
as soon as my supply of garden-ripe ones is exhausted... and I pick 
the red tomato-shaped pieces of soggy cardboard out of my restaurant
salads all winter...

Kay
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: scheiman@sceng.UB.Com (Scott Scheiman)
Subject: Pond liner questions
Organization: Ungermann-Bass
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:53:06 GMT

I've noted the discussions about pond liners with interest.  It's 
timely for me.  Fixing my pond is my next big project.

I have inherited (well, bought actually) a small (8' square) cement 
pond, and traced its incessant leaking to a crack which completely 
crosses it!

I've tried epoxy paint and various fillers, to no avail.  The two 
"halves" of the pond move together and apart too much for these 
(presumably mostly due to variations in hydrostatic pressure of the 
ground underneath, among other things). 

Blasting the whole thing away and recreating it is my final option, but 
I still want to minimize the work and expense, so now I'm looking at 
keeping the cement base and doing a better job of coating or lining it. 

My current plan is to fiberglass it.  But your discussion raises the 
possibility of lining it with plastic.

There are some unique problems:  the pond has a waterfall built next to 
it, and I'd like to use it!  The problem here is that building the 
liner up the face and ultimately into the waterfall's upper basin is 
unrealistic and ugly, but if I don't do that then the "waterfalling" 
water will run under the lip of the liner.

The second problem is that the pier (post?) of a roof supporting pole 
is right in the middle of the pond!  This means that if I do use a 
liner, I'll have to slit it to get it around the pier.

So what I want to know is about the ability to glue/seal/attach these 
pond liner materials.  If I cut the liner to get around the pier, can I 
get the cut reattached?  How?  Glue?  Heat sealing? 

And what about attaching it at the edge next to the waterfall?  
Silicone rubber glue or sealer?  Something else?  (For that matter if I 
go the fiberglass route this edge still needs sealing--what are your 
suggestions?)

Finally, are any of these materials bad for fish?

Thanks!!!
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From: kent@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kent Richardson)
Subject: How to grow Garlic
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:12:27 GMT

I am interested in growing garlic and I am hoping to find more information here
on the net. I was wondering when to plant, source of bulbs, how to plant, how to
care for the plants, any pruning, should the plants grow on a trellis, what kind
of yield do you get from one plant, etc. Any helpful info will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!

Kent Richardson  kent@lightnin.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM


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From: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Pond Building
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC

In rec.gardens, Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Jack Honeycutt) writes:

Thanks for the help & advice Jack.

>Sitting by the pond is one of the most relaxing things I know.

I couldn't agree more. Kinda makes up for the zillion or so wheelbarrrows
of dirt I relocated.

>Give us a progress report on yours now and again.

Will do. I've finished putting in about a 20' stream running over about
a 2' drop on the high side of the pond. This supplied by a Cal 2400
submersible. I'm going to try a year without a filter and see what happens.
My original 12 shibunkins are already big enough to frighten small children,
and they have also been very prolific. (Anybody need a few ?)

Plants are all doing fine too. I'd be interested in any recommendations
about the best way to winter-over my tropical lillies. (I'm in zone
7 & expect water temps to drop into the 30's F. with some freezing possible).

Regards - Bill
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From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Subject: Pink Pearls and other gems
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 00:18:45 GMT


The recent discussions about Pink Pearl apples and heirloom fruit
varieties led me to dig out a catalog I got from Southmeadow Fruit
Gardens, Lakeside, Michigan 49116.  They list close to two hundred
heirloom or unusual varieties of apples, including Pink Pearl, Sops
of Wine, Esopus Spitzenberg (T. Jefferson's favorite) and Winter
Banana( praised by R. Sokolov a couple of years ago in Natural 
History.)  They also list many ttypes of peaches, plums, apricots, currants
cherries and native N. American fruits.  They sell a 100+ page fully
illustrated guide to their varieties-last year it cost $9.00.  All this
info probably appeared in a listing I haven't read, but my net access
has been very erratic lately.  BTW, Southmeadow praises Pink Pearl too.

J. Del Col
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From: vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Vince Summers)
Subject: Purple Flowering Raspberry
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: rec.gardens
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:20:46 GMT

     I just found a purple flowering raspberry in my yard.  I am keeping it.
Down the road I've seen a few pfrbushes blooming.  Every year, no berries.
Why?  What agent pollinates the plant?  Does it stop producing after a while?
     I have blackberry, dewberry, wineberry, black raspberry, and now this!
How I want to try its berries!

Vince Summers
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Canning Cookbooks
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:31:24 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <17tkboINNc9k@ashley.cs.widener.edu> darney@cs.widener.edu 
(Chuck Darney) writes:
> Now that the harvesting season is getting close, my wife and I wanted
> to start canning some of the harvest.  Does anyone have a good
> suggestion for Canning Cookbooks?  The cookbooks we have only touch on
> the subject briefly, if at all.

I have the Ball Book and it is pretty good.  I also have a softcover book 
put out by Sunset that is pretty basic.  The basic Betty Crocker cookbook 
(the one with the orange cover) has an entire chapter on canning with 
pictures and step-by-step instuctions as do the ones mentioned above.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: darney@cs.widener.edu (Chuck Darney)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Canning Cookbooks
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:19:52 GMT
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ashley.cs.widener.edu

Now that the harvesting season is getting close, my wife and I wanted
to start canning some of the harvest.  Does anyone have a good
suggestion for Canning Cookbooks?  The cookbooks we have only touch on
the subject briefly, if at all.
   Thanks
   Chuck Darney
From: Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Jack Honeycutt)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Pond liner questions
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:29:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714969221.F00001

Hello Dennis!

27 Aug 92, Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 writes to All:

 DBM4> What about concrete ponds?  I have seen many small ones at botanicial
 DBM4> gardens across the country that are ages old.  Is the cost of building
 DBM4> these so unreal or are there other drawbacks that this is no longer
 DBM4> used?

If you do it yourself, the cost is not a issue.  It is just back breaking work
when a good liner will outlast it.  Concrete ponds work great in a area like
Florida where you do not have freezing and thawing every year and the ground
does not move.

I think concrete makes a great pond if you do it all in one pour (the bottom and
the sides) so there is no seam.

Jack