HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:36:22 GMT

vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes:

> Also we must consider that Camo, is not exactly an ordinary drudge, examples 
> those are better found in DragonDrums. According to the book People of Pern, 
> which Im not sure if it is canon or not but probably is considering who wrote
> , he is the son of Robinton and Silvina, which would explain alot about why h
> is treated as he is, aside from natural politeness. 
> 
really? I had not heard this, but wondered why he seemed 'special' (always had
a warm spot in my heart for him).....
where is this speculated from (no flame meant, just curious, and I like the
idea...)
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:24:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Well, according to the book (Forgive my lack of page sites) It was mentioned
That the virus was spread about the _whole_ surface of the redstar (condensed
into one word so ass not to disturb Firelizards =)) and that the explosions
occured at three separate times, The first two caused the first long
interval and the second the second long interval...Presumeably the last explosion
was enough to rock the red star into a totally new, non threatening orbit.

So the virus wasnt totally nuked. Aivas was old...but not senile. =)
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From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 08:27:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I dont mean to sound like I am flaming or anything................NOT!

Shut the f*** UP!!!

Take it to email...

Jays! 

If they donst shut Up  I say we mail them everything from alt.tastless
A line at a time

=)  =)
=)

Th'ron
:wq
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A public apology (And stuff about ATWOP in pback.)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:08:19 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> 
>I then proposed that a riders sexual preferences could possibly influence
>his reaction to his dragons mating "fever" thereby allowing for alterna-
>tive behavior.
>
>At this point more than one person posted examples of gold/bronze mating
>in which the riders always engaged in sex with each other.
>
>I rejected these statements as invalid because they riders in these cases
>did not have their sexual-preferences (gender-wise) violated.

	Sexual preference is no more a controlling factor than one's
morals and upbringing, one would think. And yet, despite her
heterosexuality, Brekke was quite sure that she would more likely
LOSE HER QUEEN than have sex with a man not F'nor. And furthermore,
substituing F'nor for the other dragon's rider was not an option.
Otherwise, they would have just done so, rather than risk the loss
of Wirenth because of something that is just custom. 
	If you want to say that sex is not required for green/anything
pairings, that's fine. But gold/anything pairings require sex; not only
that, but they require sex with the other dragon's rider. It is pretty
explicitly written out. And yes, they didn't say that if Brekke 
was bi- or homosexual, she could get away with a substitute.

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From: u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey)
Subject: Re: AtWoP - paperback?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.040823.6985@pimacc.pima.edu>, ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> 
> Speaking of AtWoP, does anyone know when the paperback is coming
> out? I want to add it to my collection.
> 
> 
> 
					I have heard that it can be brought here in Australia, but it has to be
ordered.  For some reason it is not stocked. Maybe because if it was they 
would sell like hot cakes and the store would make a profit. But any way, you
should be able to order it from your local store.

Dean.

What ever can be done simply, just won't work.
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From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:23:26 GMT

I don't have the recipe from the DLG on hand, but we did have the bubblies
once and the crust was, well, icky. Really dry.  I'd recommend you look 
up a pastry or pie crust recipe in a run-of-the-mill cookbook, simmer some 
bluberries in water with sugar and cornstarch til it thickens, fill up 
little half-moon pie shapes, brush the baked tops with egg yolk and dust 
them with sugar and cinnamon.
Recipe? Who needs a recipe? :)

Ellen -- Kiandra, rider of brown Arcoth@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu

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From: tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no (Tommy Larsen)
Subject: Re: Farli with two legs
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no

|> >>That had to have been a foul up as it is stated that all of Perns native 
|> >>life forms have six apendiges (or maybe most I'm not sure about wyries).
|> >>I think that the tunal snakes are more like lizerd in that in DD they 
|> >>move around on 6 short legs thou this has probly changed in 2500 turns

|> >PS. This elf *really* needs a dictionary! (apologies if you are english as 
|> >second language, but this volume of typos/mistakes does make posts hard to 
|> >read!)
|> 
|> 	People with English as a Second Language mess up grammar and
|> usually plurals. Very rarely are they typo-queens of this magnitude.
|> And yes, it makes a post RIDICULOUSLY difficult to read, but last
|> time I got frustrated and mentioned it, I got bitched at. Now I just 
|> don't read her stuff because translating my German takes less time....
|> That and I get the urge to reply with "Gosh, I guess stares [sic]
|> *would* wear out over the eons...My eyes always start watering after
|> a few minutes!" :) 

I enjoy ELF-KIN's postings immensely. And yes, english is my second 
language (third, actually) and no, I don't find them difficult to read.

Continue using your excellent english, ELF-KIN!

-- 
tommyl@stud.cs.uit.no
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From: sreardon@bradley.bradley.edu (Steven Reardon)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 03:13:15 GMT

In <1992Oct2.174031.22203@ra.msstate.edu> aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo) writes:

>In article <92Oct01.234541.27232@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.231946.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>In article <BvF64F.5CL@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:

Somebody brought this up the last time the movie was discussed, but since
nobody has mentioned it yet this time, I volunteer.

How do you do the dragons telepathic communications.  What would you make
the voice sound like?  Like the rider talking down a tube?  If you're
going to use the rider's voice, what do you do about greens?

I don't think a reasonable solution was reached last time, although I do
admit that I really can't remember.  Suggestions?


-- 
*   The state has a system set up whereby the people who are            *
*   allowed to have guns are those without convictions.                 *
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From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:43:26 GMT

In article <38817@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
|> This might sound silly to those of you who may know better, but I've
|> read that there may be a film made of the Dragonrider novels.  In
|> her literary analysis of McCaffrey's works, Mary Brizzi said that
|> the Dragonlady had already signed a film contract and had begun
|> working on the screenplay.  Brizzi's book was published in 1986.
|> Has anyone heard or read anything about this?
|> 
|> 
|> - Robert Cook

Nothing to me, though I'd love to see a Dragonflight movie.
I've worked out the cinematography for it, oh, a thousand times or so in my 
head...

Have we had the 'who plays who' discussion here yet?
No, not this semester? :)
Okay, if you have a trillion dollar budget and could get whoever you wanted, 
who would play the major roles in Dragonflight, the movie?  Or hell, a whole
Dragonriders trilogy...


Jibo
Mertonn@SouCon
among other things
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: fsmarc@tristero.lerc.nasa.gov (Marc Cooper)
Subject: Re: Blue/green/brown -- from the horse's mouth 
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:26:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.175244.10219@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>In article <ktoast.717808461@milton> 
>ktoast@milton.u.washington.edu (Toast M. Jost) writes:
>>>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>>>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>>>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 
>
>>Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...
>
>Mercedes Lackey -- that's two...
>

Joseph Hadelman(sp?) -- that's three...

("Forever War")


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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Film possibility???
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:36:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

This might sound silly to those of you who may know better, but I've
read that there may be a film made of the Dragonrider novels.  In
her literary analysis of McCaffrey's works, Mary Brizzi said that
the Dragonlady had already signed a film contract and had begun
working on the screenplay.  Brizzi's book was published in 1986.
Has anyone heard or read anything about this?


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Moreta
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:45:55 -0700

In article <37097.27992992@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz>, mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie) writes:
> Greetings Fellow Pern-o's :-)
> 
> 	I've just finished reading the 'Moreta - Dragonlady of pern' book
> 	and found it to be one of the most depressing books I have ever read.
> 	Moreta was gearing up to be one of my favorite charactors with her
> 	dedication to the Weyr only to have her snatched at the end
> 	of the book. Does anyone else find this .. or is it a case of 
> 	'it was how it was meant to be'
> 
> 			 Mark

Yeah. It really pulled me down quite a bit too. But then that's the na-
ture of tragedies.

PHIL
p.s. I wonder if we'll ever learn *exactly* what sort of punishment was
inflicted upon that weyrleader (I forget his name) who wouldn't allow
his riders to help out with the serum distribution?


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From: st1dj@elroy.uh.edu (SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD*)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:14:00 GMT

In article <BvnnBw.5KG@csc.liv.ac.uk>, scst74@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. D.W.F. Liu) writes...
>Hi there,
>	This has probably come up several times already and people are probably gonna crucify me for asking but...
>	Could someone be kind enough to send me the recipe for these mouth watering delicacies of Pern.  Besides my sister'll kill me if I don't get her it, boy these manic cooks!.
> 
>				Thanks in advance.
> 
>--
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>+                        From The Dude called Denby.                       +
>+          In an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities        +
>+                 scst74@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci is just one.              +
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Please send me a copy as well!
Thanx in advance!!

			-SPEAKER*

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:19:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BvF64F.5CL@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
> Nothing to me, though I'd love to see a Dragonflight movie.
> I've worked out the cinematography for it, oh, a thousand times or so in my 
> head...
> 
> Have we had the 'who plays who' discussion here yet?
> No, not this semester? :)
> Okay, if you have a trillion dollar budget and could get whoever you wanted, 
> who would play the major roles in Dragonflight, the movie?  Or hell, a whole
> Dragonriders trilogy...

It should be anime, with English subtitles.

If you insist, we can dub in the voices, but they should be done by unknowns. I
find that when I recognize the voice it's just a distraction, not a bonus.

--Semhaza
From: takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:04:48 GMT
Organization: PsiLords of Takis Health Club and Massage Parlor
X-Useragent: Diamond Mask v2.7b5


(hah, got that little bastard this time...)
In article [cut] aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo) wrote:
>>[massive quoted article deleted]
>I'M SICK OF THIS DIXSCUSSION. 

which naturally explains why you wasted bandwidth posting a quote of the
entire article...

			-- dr. "quote like a copier, flame like a blowtorch" t

--
"X'nelle, all we're asking is that you try to have some concern for the
naive, sheltered people on this MUSH, OK?" 
				-- Durnik@Belgariad
From: vdeniger@mta.ca
Subject: Notice to MTA PernFolk
Reply-To: vdeniger@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:41:49 GMT

PernFolk attending Mount Allison University will not be able to access
any telnet whatsoever between the hours of 10:00 am & 8:00 pm ADT.  
This is to provide non-gamers access for work time.
                          Sorry guys    Sylph   MTA  :(
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From: julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Date: 27 Sep 1992 22:42:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

>In article <1992Sep26.195729.19294@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky) writes:

>>What do dragonriders _do_ to justify their existance in 500-year,
>>PostAtWOP Pern?

>If you do accept ATWOP, you are faced with two choices - the Red
>Star really _is_ gone for good, and riders are a glorified taxi
>service, or they go off and explore the galaxy (not that much in
>keeping with the books, either way) OR that the Red Star did
>return - something the AIVAS just couldn't help, like a comet
>collision, near miss with a micro-black hole, or (my personal
>favorite), a Federation of Sentient Planets base was established
>on the Red Planet at aphelion, and nuked by the Nathis shortly
>thereafter, or vice-versa.

In reading ATWOP, I noticed that the riders strewed their anti-thread virus
about the surface of the planet, and THEN detonated the engines.  Doesn't
that mean that the virus was nuked, completely annihilated?  Well then,
the system Oort cloud is still infested with Thread!  The Red Star may have
vanished as a threat, but any passing comet is going to wreak havoc on Pern
unless the dragonriders maintain their vigilance.

F'zik
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julius@tybalt.caltech.edu       the season of mists; and may each and every
julius@iago.caltech.edu         one of us always give the devil his due. --NG
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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Crystal Singer books
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:41:31 GMT

Hey, whoever said torrid sex scenes were bad!  This is my namesake you're
discussing. :)

			-Shandra.
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Favorite book covers
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:05:38 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <aqNRRB3w165w@angus.mi.org>, John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org> writes:
> Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary) writes:
> 
>> 
>> My d'song has a _very_ beautiful and ethereal Menolly (though you need a 
>> magnifying glass to see her) just after she has been picked up by the rider 
>> 
>> Good point, what are the covers for the 3 volumes in one book? And has there 
>> been cover art for shortstories in magazines etc boardgames?
>> 
>> (I didnt like the cover of smallest dragonboy, even though it is of the same 
>> style as the harper covers. Dont know why.)
>> 
>> >John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
>> 
>> Mark aka Raphe, J'man Herder
> 
> Well, I want JPEG's or TGA's of all those other covers!  Sounds like
> almost every cover you describe is different from the ones I have.
> (The White Dragon may be the same).  The alternate cover for ATWOP
> was on display at ChiCon (1991 WorldCon), and sold for $$$$$.  The
> cover on my copy of ATWOP shows Ruth/Jaxom (foreground) and other
> dragons (background) standing on top of rocky points sticking up
> through the clouds.  Kinda boring.
> 
> --
> John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
> North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
I just picked up a copy of Dragonflight, pretty old that has a cover that
I'm almost supprised AM agreed to. It is Lessa on Ramoth with Lessa in what
can only be described as a white bedsheet (From Lords attack on benden) that
leaves almost mothing above the waist to the imagination. If this is a first
edition she may have had less control over those aspects of the books
than a more established author. 

Ramoth has 4 toes of course :-(

Randy Finder
From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:32:06 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <BvGryC.C5B@news.orst.edu> vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu (Luke Vaughn) writes:
>The book I got this info from is People of Pern, done I believe by McCaffrey
>and the co-author/artist who did the Atlas, and even rarer than the Atlas. It
>has full color sketches of all of the major characters and brief bio's on them.
>If you really want to see most of the pictures and can't find PoP, look for the
>board games DRoP, it uses the same drawings.

The sketches/paintings are by Robin Wood.  (Karen Fonstead did the
Atlas.)  The text blurbs ar by McCaffrey.  It is true that Wood also
did the character cards for the boardgame as well, but the boardgame
came first.

>Luke Vaughn
>vaughnl@ucs.orst.edu

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Yapping
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:52:35 GMT

Congratulations!

I've successfully been driven off of this group by the incoherent babbling.

Have a Nice Day!
Aaron Gillum
"Various versions of 'Boron' at a MU** near you."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Reply-To: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:02:09 GMT

In article <92Oct01.235727.13046@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
[stuff about Camo's lineage...]
> 
> On the subject of Drudges, Camo is most definitely an exception,
> being the son of two rather imporant people and mentally retarted
> (Anne's term, I dunno what the PC is this month). I would imagine
> the other drudges are simply the lower end of the economic scale.
> No talents _or_ no recognition of those talents which would allow
> them to advance. The drudges at the Harper Hall are likely
> treated much better than those at, say, Nabol (under Meron) or
> one of Fax's holds under his reign.

Their relative poverty may also be related to being essentially beholden to
the Lord for the protectoin of the hold.  People who are trapped in a
system of poverty due to misfortune or other circumstances, a form of
workfare/indentured servitude.  If you have no skills or otherwise lack the
ability to practice a craft, it is unlikely you are going to gain the
ability as a drudge, hence the drudge is sort of locked into a serfdom and
performs menial tasks in return for shelter and food.  

Not the most pleasant life, but this is still a rather nasty world.  The
pressures placed upon cultural evolution by thread and the undeveloped
wilderness (up until less than a century ago, the US wilderness was a place
you could die as easily as anything else...a bear also eats in the
woods...) would have created a strong need to be a part of a societal
group.  There seems to be a lot of reference to this in _Renegades..._ and
scattered throughout the other books.  It's not like these people could
just catch a greyhound somewhere else and set up shop.  The will to survive
can make you do a lot...

I guess the closest I can come to an approximation is a very low-caste
worker, an "untouchable" of sorts.  The class system is very highly
pronounced in Pern, and in all class systems there is someone at the bottom
of the barrel.

jim
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From: hrb500v1@beach.csulb.edu (Timothy Talda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Moreta
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:11:37 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

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