HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Sony 1304s vs Apple HiRes
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:48:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct1.005745.20896@nntp.uoregon.edu> tron@corona.uoregon.edu writes:
>Does anybody know if there is a significant difference between the Sony CPD
>1304s and the Apple HiRes 13" monitor? I can get the Apple HiRes from our
>school computer center for $568. Any suggestion/s on which one I should
>get? Thanks.
>
basically it is the same monitor if you're using it for the mac at 640 x 480
resolution.  i asked a salesman at a local computer store to put the two
back to back so that i can compare them.  well they're pretty much the same.
one advantage of the sony is that it is a multisync/multiscan monitor so if
you wanted to get a display card for it, you could display higher resolutions.
and also if you wanted to, you can use it for macs and pcs.  i suggest on the
sony, it has many more display control to mess around with.  it's worth the
extra ~30 bucks.  personally, after much debating, i went with a $459 NEC 3D.

hope this helps

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From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: How to switch on computer system?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:06:38 GMT

About starting procedure:
  I would suggest starting the printer first as it probably uses more
power than everything else combined that you mentioned.
  Then all the rest of the external items
  and finally power the computer.

I suggest this sequence to minimize power fluctuations to the more 
vulnerable equipment - purely an assumption on my part. There may not
be any need to worry at all.

Dale
parkyn@sfu.ca
From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple's Product Lineup
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:51:14 GMT
	<1992Sep30.142820.14410@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE's message of 30 Sep 92 14:28:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142820.14410@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:

>
>Does someone know more about the 50 Mhz 68040 Cyclones. Are there any upgrade path for
>the Quadra 700 or so.
>
>Thank for your help,

You may want to wait until the machine is at least *announced* before
asking about upgrade paths.  The (most* you could find out now is if
it is technically impossible to have such a path, *if* the rumors of
its architecture are true.

jas
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From: Joseph A. Caputo <ysi@vax5.cit.cornell>
Subject: Re: HD activity light in IIsi
X-Xxdate: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19: 00:47 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jac2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.142628.738@doug.cae.wisc.edu> Jim K. H. Yu,
jimy@vlsidsp.ece.wisc.edu writes:


>Yesterday, I found out that the Quantum HD in the IIsi (like many
>other HDs) has a connector for a LED to indicate HD access.
>What the heck, I said to myself, the power-on LED has no other
>function then to indicate that the computer is on. I can tell that
>by looking at the monitor (or, in case the monitor is bad, listening
>to the fan, which is not difficult at all).
>So, I removed the 2 wires from the power-on LED and plugged them to 
>the connector on the HD. It works marvelously.

You don't need to connect the wires directly to your hard drive; did you
happen to notice that there was an unused electrical terminal in the bank
of terminals that you removed the wires from.  That terminal IS the
electrical connection for a disk light.  The IIsi has the option of
having a disk light or a power-on indicator.  How gracious of Apple to
include that "option"!

By the way, you may have noticed the much referred-to problem of the
IIsi's sound and/or power light "konking out".  The reason for this is
simple:  if you're adventurous to remove your motherboard (which is not
difficult and doesn't really require any tools), you'll notice that the
above-mentioned electrical terminals (some of which go to the speaker, as
well) are not actually connected to the motherboard but merely have a
press-contact.  Sometimes the connection can get loose, hence the sound
dying.  To ensure good electrical contact, bend the prongs up and clean
both the prongs and the connection plates on the motherboard CAREFULLY.

-------------------------------
Joseph Caputo
jcaputo@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
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From: John_S._Hammond@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 09:06:47 PDT
Subject: Re: ADB Mouse parts

You can get many Mac parts, including microswitches for the mouse or
floppy drive, from MicroDoc in Eugene OR. 503-344-5020. Good people!
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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:03:33 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Tim writes:

> THE PERFORMA IS A GREAT FAMILY COMPUTER, BUT IT IS NOT THE COMPUTER
> FOR THOSE WHO USE THEIR CURRENT MAC FOR MORE ADVANCED FEATURES AND
> HEAVY DUTY GRAPHICS OR DESK TOP PUBLISHING.
 
Thank you for shouting the totally obvious.

Well, Tim,

This assertion was not that obvious to some  people who were thinking
of going out and getting a performa, and trading in current IIsi's in 
order to purchase a Performa, etc.  Some things, as you may well know,
are so obvious that they have to be explained to people

Chris in Montreal
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.m68k
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: 68050
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:16:36 GMT

In article <gekfl8S00Vp3IOBZVB@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>arao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Anand Rao    ) writes:
>> i just heard that intel's 80586 chip will originally have a 66Mhz
>> clock speed, and later versions will have a 100 Mhz clock speed.
>> this will leave motorola's 68040 in the dust.  anybody know anything
>> about the 68050?  
>
>points:
>1.  It won't be called the 80586, probably to keep it from being 'just
>another x86 machine'.  Right now it's called the P5.
>2.  If the P5 doesn't leave the 68040 in the dust _per clock cycle_ it
>will be a rather lame chip.  Expect a 33mhz P5 to be somewhat faster
>than a 50mhz '040.
>3.  I have heard that the lowest speed P5 will initialy be 33mhz.
>4.  I have heard that the lowest speed P5 will be 100 mips.

That sounds too unbelieveable, I've heard the slowest speed would be
66 MHz, and then there would be a 100 MHz one.

[Rest deleted]


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From: geno@arco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: experience with trackballs?
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:51:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: Arco.1992Sep26.235121.650
Organization: ARCO Oil & Gas Co.

In article <92268.1037592958804@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <2958804@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
writes:
>Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with trackballs as replacements
>for the apple mouse?  My mouse is giving me problems, and I've been thinking
>of buying a trackball, ex) the Kensington Turbo Mouse 4.0...
>
Trackballs seem to have a love/hate relationship with their users.  I don't
like them, the tension from keeping my hand over the ball makes my hand sore. 
There are others in the office who would kill for one, though.  My preference
is a Logitech MouseMan.  It is a three-button programmable mouse with twice the
resolution of a factory mouse and lists for only about $15.00 more than the
Apple unit.  The three button is also handy if you are using MacX, though you
can't program the mouse or MacX doesn't work right.
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:50:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Brian, are you a sucker for flamebait or what?

The IIsi without a cache card has 60-70 percent the speed of a IIci, so the di-
fference would remain the same with a cache card and FPU installed if the IIci had a cache card installed.  According to Byte Benchmarks in real-world tests the
IIsi operates at 60-70% the speed of the IIci in non-FPU intensive applications.

With a cache card and FPU, the IIsi runs at about 90%-95% the speed of a IIci without a cache.  What does that tell you, Brian.

Like I said, overall hardware design is more a factor in the overall speed and power of a computer than the clock speed of the CPU chip.

Chris Tsirbas
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Norton Chia)
Subject: Re: PB 160 or Duo 210: Which is more expensive??
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:54:02 GMT

seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:
 
>Will a PB160 be more or less expensive than a Duo 210 without a docking station
?
 
This I don't know, but how are you comparing? Feature for feature?
 
>Does the Duo have video out without a docking station? (I guess not; then why
>the docking station?)
 
Good guess! ;-)
 
>Maybe it's too early to ask this, but I like the idea of mulling over in my
>mind which Mac I might possibly get if I have any money...almost as good as
>having one!

This is what I have believed all along. It may still be true.

* I prefer the PowerBook 100 over the 140/170 primarily because of its size
  and weight.

* I don't really need colour on the notebook but would be nice to have ext
  video built in.

* The PowerBook 100 will serve as a secondary Mac, not primary.

In light of this, I would select if money is no object, the Duo 210/230 over
the 160/180 because ultimately, on the road, the Duo is much lighter, smaller
and sexier. It would also be more expensive presummably and won't have the
convenience of a built-in floppy drive.

Yeah, after all that, the bottomline is that I don't really like the 140/145/
160/170/180's bulk. To me, it's more important how small the computer is.

Cheers and good luck on your decision,
Norton
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:06:23 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
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straka@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:

>Granted that the P600 for $2000 has more performance than a IIsi for $2000,
>but a IIsi for $1500-1700 +$600 for a DayStar 33MHz PowerCache sounds like a
>much better performer to me than a P600.

    But once you put that Daystar card in the IIsi, that's it, your done
with expansion for the computer. If you put the same card in the P600's
accelerator slot, then you would still have 3 NuBus slots to use. I also
think that the extra $300 for the P600 is well worth the on-board VRAM
rather than using the system RAM on the IIsi. Also the P600 comes with
4MB soldered on the logic board rather than the 1mb on the IIsi. If
these things weren't present then I would agree that the IIsi is a
better value than the P600, but it just isn't IMHO.

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From: ckyu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chen-Kuang Yu)
Subject: HD for Powerbook
Keywords: powerbook
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:51:20 GMT

Hi everyone,

	I'm deciding whether to buy the Quantum's Go 120 internal drive
from APS, or the 120MB RoadRunner drive from Microtech to replace
the 40MB internal drive of my PB170.

	Could any of you give me some suggestion, or recommendation to other
better drives?  Thanks.


/Chen Yu
ckyu@leland.stanford.edu
From: tegammk@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 030 Accelerators for the SE?
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:55:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep25.090159.12037@nntp.hut.fi> sakaria@vipunen.hut.fi (Sakari Aaltonen) writes:
>Apple seems to have discontinued SE/30 upgrades. Looking for an alternative,
>I compiled the following list with the aid of MacWorld magazine 9/92:
>
>Would anyone care to comment on these? The companies are as important as

Yes. I have a Transwarp SE from Applied Engineering. I have the 40MHz w/FPU
version. It speeds up the SE by about 10X. The company has been very helpful in
isolating problems with their board after the sale. I would recommend them.

I have no connection with AE.


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From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Subject: Re: SE/30 Having Trouble Booting
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:09:55 GMT

shawn@cars.com sayz:
>I'm having some trouble booting my SE/30 on the first try. It comes
>up with the question disk. If I reboot the machine, everything works
>fine.
>
>Anybody out there know what the problem is? I have an two year old
>80Mb Quantum drive, and would be suspicious, if it never came up, but
>it always comes up on the second try.
>
>Thanks.
>
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Sounds like the drive isn't ready during boot.  When the mac boots, it 
scans the SCSI bus for drives, if the drive hasn't spun up and finished 
its initialization it won't reply to the Mac in time to be considered a 
valid device.  The first time you start your machine, you have given the
drive a jump start.

The problem could be caused by many factors:
1. The power supply is aging and can't provide enough current.
2. The drive is aging and requires more current to spin.

On a similiar note and possible cause:  A few years back, Apple had a 
recall of some machines (I think SE/30's or IIcx's) to replace the ROM's 
on machines with the Quantum drives.  I forget now if the ROM was a 
replacement for the drive or the mother board.  These machines suffered 
from the same problem.  Apple fixed the problem with a new ROM that gave 
the drive an extra boost at startup.  Maybe this will refresh someone 
elses memory with more details.

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Lets Talk Performas!
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Sep28.175651.19936@cc.umontreal.ca> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
> C> Well, in the past there was the Honda Civic cx and the Civic
> TC> si, now Honda has added a new civic, coincidentally, the vi.
>  
> that's the Civic VX, not the Civic VI.  There is no Honda Civic VI.
> 
> 
> Sorry, my mistake, I humbly apologize.
> 
> Coincidentally, there is a rumour going around that there will be
> no IIvi's sold on the American market.  Perhaps Apple is waiting
> for Honda to introduce a Civic VI before introducing this computer
> in the states

I remember a talk given by Jean-Louis Gassee a few years back (when
he worked for Apple).  He compared the Mac with the Honda Accord.

He described the Honda as a car you could just drive.  High quality
ergonomics, lots of little touches that other cars didn't have.  No
need to even really check the oil since they don't leak (mine hasn't
ever).  Other cars like old Chevy's required constant care and feeding
(just like DOS machines), but the Honda was a automobile appliance.
Turn the key and drive.

It's a rough analogy, but now I wonder :-)

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From: johnn@hotcity.COM (John Nardello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Plug VGA monitor into a MAC...
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:40:07 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <6922@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, tnele@rrc.chevron.com (Nathan
Leon) writes:
>I do not have a ton of technical expertise, but I do have some experience I
>think might help:
>
>I have a GoldStar (1450HG+, or something) VGA monitor running off of my 
>IIci, and I have set up a Panisonic off of a IIsi. (which I didn't like
>as much.)  Both of these used a simple converter cable.
>
>My understanding is that a monitor needs to be able to sync to the Mac.
>Some VGA monitors can do this, and some can't.  There are quite a few
>which can, and have been discussed here before.
>
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hhmm..could someone post a list of those monitors then? I don't remember seeing
anything about it before,and you can get those IBM monitors for a hell of a lot
cheaper than an 'offical' apple one!


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From: alex@research.canon.oz.au (Alex Danilo)
Subject: Re: 68050
Summary: Go re-learn your architecture principles
Keywords: MIPS, MHz
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:45:50 GMT

In article <Orakel.8@sarpih.no> Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>In article <BvALw4.MI7@mach1.wlu.ca> rbetel1@mach1.wlu.ca (richard betel u) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.111936.8087@cs.ruu.nl> ajlmvoer@cs.ruu.nl (Tonio Voerman) writes:
>>>
>>>A microprocessor with 33 Mhz means that there are 33 million clock cycles per
>>>second. If the p5 has a 100mips that means the p5 executes a 100 million
>>>instructions per second.
>>       Actually, this is not far fetched. The 80960 (yes, 960, not 860) is
>>a risc processor with 6 parallel execution units. The instruction pipeline grabs4 instructions per clock cycle, and will execute one, two or three at the
>>next cycle. That means that at 33MHz, it should be able to hit 99 mips under
>>best case. More execution units may mean more Mips too. (the 960 is
>>superscalar).
>
>There seems to be quite a lot of confusion on this subject.
>The P5 will not run as low as 33Mhz.  Probably it will run at 66 or 100Mhz.
>The chip will probably be clockdoubled from start.  Clockdoubling is a 
>technique where the chip internally works twice as fast as the external bus, 
>while the caches feed the bus as fast as it can handle it.
>
>Thus a P5 running at an internal speed of 124 or 200 Mhz will easily do 100 
>Mips.  The computer will however still be operating at 66 or 100Mhz, and one 
>would thus benefit from this extra boost only if one are running extreemely 
>processor intesive applications.

Groan, Firstly, you're confusing superscalar with superpipelining. Internal
speed of 124 or 200 MHz - baloney, that is in the realm of superpipelining
ala Alpha, and would chew enourmous power in CMOS (about 28 watts @ 200MHz for
Alpha), because of CMOS's power/bandwidth product. Most designs use double
clock OUTSIDE the chip, so that you can use the fast clock to do half-cycle
operations inside the execution pipeline. The P5 will probably be superscalar,
i.e. parallel execution for more instructions issued per cycle. This is the
approach taken in the 88110, which can issue 2 integer instructions per cycle
@ 50MHz, giving 100 MIPS. That means the inside can run at 50 MHz, which is so
much easier to implement (and saves a lot of power) - a large part of Alpha
silicon is clock distribution to keep clock skew down to operate at > 200Meg.
	But, the 960 & 860 for that matter have theoretical MIPS way above
their clock speeds, but very few compilers can take advantage of that - the
dual integer units in the 88110 are more suited to upping the MIPS, than the
idea of different superscalar units, because you can't split your code into
such neatly paired/tripled instruction groups.
	Anyway, I thought this was comp.sys.m68k, not "My Quadra is better
than your PC" type arguments. Who cares about the P5 anyway - it's not out
yet, and all bets are that the Alpha (out now) will kill it for performance
when it's eventually released anyway.
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Daystar for the SE
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict) writes:

>How about the new adapter which allows the Daystar Powercache series
>to be installed in the SE?  It would seem that this would be the way
>to go if funds are limited.  The same cache card could be installed
>in another Mac when the user could afford the new hardware, i.e. "I'll
>spend this $1000 on this SE and when I can afford the II/IIx/IIsi/IIci
>hardware, I can use it in it" idea.

    I bought a Daystar card and installed it in the SE/30 that my boss
uses. You should see this machine fly. Especially with the 50mHZ 030
w/FPU card in it.

>Anyone know how the Daystar performs with the SE?

    I doubt you will be getting any answers to this question since,
according to Daystar, the SE and Classic adaptors won't be shipping
until November. But once they do ship, I'll be getting at least 3 of
them for some of the SE's in my office. Ever tried to use Word 5 on an
SE running System 7? One needs a stronger word than slow to describe it.

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