From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:38:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) sez:
 
|bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
|>jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) sez:
|> 
|>[ stuff deleted ]
|>
|>|But demons DO exist.  Just because you haven't (or think that you
|>|haven't) come across them or been influenced by them does not mean
|>|that they don't exist.
|> 
|>	There is NO proof of any such non-sense. I could say that 
|>Pixies exist, Just because you haven't (or think that you haven't) 
|>come across them or been influenced by them does not mean that they
|>don't exist. The only problem is that there is NO PROOF THAT PIXIES
|>EXIST !
|
|On the contrary, there is plenty of proof that demons exist.  This is
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|too big a subject to deal with in this posting.  With various other
|postings also concentrating on this issue, I will try to prepare an
|article on it in addition to those on Satanic crime which I am currently
|preparing.  Hopefully this later article will respond properly to your
|statements.
 
	The present the proof......there where also a few other questions
in the context of the post I would like to ask (rephrased)..
 
    (1). What is a demon ?
 
    (2). What is a demon made out of ?
 
<I ask these from a socratic angle>
 
 
|> 
|>|Some more research would provide a better description than the above.
|>|Briefly, they exist in the spiritual realms, which can be reached by
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|>|certain types of meditation (esp. yoga - yes yoga!), seances, ouija,
|>|and other OCCULT practices.  BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
|>|THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!
|> 
|>	Ah, but the "spiritual realm" does not exist. Please PROVE IT !
 
|I will also endevour to answer this in a later posting as well.
 
	How about PROVING it !
 
 
|> 
|> 
|>|I know people who do like to blame every bad thing on demon possession.
|>|I also disagree with this line of thinking.  Although there are cases
|>|(probably quite a lot) where possession is responsible, I'm sure that most
|>|problems are due to something else.  However, that doesn't mean that
|>|Jesus can not help the situation, regardless of its cause.
|> 
|>	Jesus is dead, that would be like saying Sig Freud (spelling ?).
|>How can a dead person help ? Dead people tend to be of little help, their
|>DEAD, KAPUT, STILL, ACHIEVED ROOM TEMPERATURE, 6 FEET UNDER.I still say a 
|>good shrink is better than a corpse
 
|ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!
|
|Jesus is not dead!  He died and was RAISED FROM THE DEAD.  He lives today
              						    ^^^^^^^^
|inside all those who accept Him as their Lord and Saviour.  This I KNOW!
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	INSIDE PEOPLE.....where in the body is god located ? Where does
he live. He must be very old. But if you are saying that he is a ghost or
other spirit or spook then please present proof that the supernatural even
exists !
 
 
|Although I can not prove this by sending words such as these across the
|network, He is as real to me as a person standing next to me. 
 
To insane people, imaginary things seems as real as the person sitting next 
to them......don't mean what they are imagining is true. To someone on LSD
what they see seems as real to them as the person in the next house, but it
isn't... 
 
 
 
|                                                              With the
|communion and fellowship that I have with Him, I know for sure that he is
|ALIVE!  You can have the same relationship with Him if you ask Him
|(and mean it).  Go ahead, you might just supprise yourself.
 
	Great ! I'll just go back to the stuffy old Lutheran Church
with all of those homophobic old farts while I give my life and freedom
up. NOT. Besides, the wine is good, but the bread really sucks. Look,
I was a christian at one time and know the whole "I can feel it" thing.
It's not real. Skip church some day, go into the woods and just think,
THINK FOR YOURSELF, GO AHEAD, YOU MIGHT JUST SUPPRISE YOURSELF !!!!!
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|Look at it this way.  If He doesn't exist, then you have nothing to worry
|about.  If He does exist, then you will be able to really experience the
|presence and love of God through His son (ultimate proof for yourself!).
|I sincerely hope you take up the challenge.
 
 
	Pascal's wager...will you read the FAQ....heck, I'll Email it
to you OK....
 
::::I am going to Email the copy of the FAQ I have ASAP::::


-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
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