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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Irfan Ahmed
Date: 26 Dec 1992 06:45:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


>Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
>Esselamu aleykum verahmetullahi veberaketuhu
>Dear brothers in the islam
When I was reading soc.culture.pakistan, irfan Ahmed said that he is from turkey. Also I am from turkey. In the turkish. ahmed is written as Ahmet like my name. I just remind all brothers in islam. This shows this guy lies. When a hypocrat comes to you with a news, you have to research it.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sure, Original post per to hemaara maathaa thinkaa hee thaa, laiken
aap kee yeh posting bhee shak-o-shubah say khaalee nahi'n. Why? See below...

> 
>bismillahirrahmanirrahim
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oops, there is some real screw up this time too!
What is this bismillah  line doing at the end of your posting.

>innemel mu'minune ihvatun.........
	What is this crap. Did you mean ikhvatun( brotherhood or shit like that)
	Stop inventing Arabic phrases. 


>May ALLAH gives bratherhood to all muslims
>Esselamu aleykum
>ahmet
	Hey ahmet/ahmad/ahmad kay bhoot who ever you are
if you wanna make us laugh, then please put some dirty jokes on S.C.P.
Stop goofing up, again and again. 
aray network gurus zeraa inn ahmed/ahmet kee identity maaloom kero!

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fmbutt@ruby.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt)
Subject: Re: Pakistan: what can be done?
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:15:18 GMT


Hear, hear!  Saad's focus on wealth-creation as being a singular solution 
to many of Pakistan's problems is highly refreshing to read.  I, too, 
agree that many of the problems we currently attribute to illiteracy, 
ignorance, prejudice etc. are really economic problems in various guises.
Manufacturing or "adding economic value" is the only way out of our 
quagmire that I can see.  All the anti-west, anti-hindu, anti-falana-dumkana
diatribes really make me shake my head.  Let's address the real issue:
our nation is only now (after forty years or so) getting geared up for 
wealth-creation.  Until now we have been glorified puppets, beggars,
swindlers and cheats and we see where this attitude has brought us.  
Let us all pray that we finally learn that all the deen and religion in 
the world will not uplift us much if we become the Somalia of South Asia.


fmb

-- 
Standard High-Tech Disclaimer: NOTHING  in the above article has the slightest 
relationship to reality. If any reality correspondences are found, please 
notify me IMMEDIATELY. Any threats, abuse or stupidity of any kind is purely 
UNintentional. These are MY Opinions NOT my employer's.
From: umchaud2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Maud Ahmad Chaudhary)
Subject: ALTAF HUSSAIN QUITS POLITICS!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: WORLD
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:10:32 GMT

         Dear Pakistanis

       A few hours ago from very reliable sources i have learnt
    that the most notorious terrorist of pakistan  MR PIR SAHIB
    has announced that he is leaving politics for the best interest
    of people and MQM actually when any culprit get's into trouble
    this is avery good excuse but my question is how can he get
    away with all the atrocities commited by MQM under his leadership?
    i think so he should be brought to pakistan and hanged because
    there is no other punishment enough for him .
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Date: 25 Dec 1992 06:06:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu




>	Mansoor you say that Muslims in India are not in good shape. I
		Yes I do! 

>	disagree. I think that they are appeased and are in much better
	^^^ (1)^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(2)^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	
	(1) If you disagree, that is no problem.

	(2) If they are in much better shape than any other minority
	    in many other places, that does not necessarily mean that
	    they are in good shape in India. By the way, I admit that
	    the Indian consititution is pretty good. In fact, I even
	    believe that, for example, there should be uniform law
	    for every one in India. Just because Islamic code does not
	    require alimony beyond few months( Idat period), it does
            not mean that  the state 
	    cannot impose much longer period. There is nothing wrong, 
	    and no sin in paying alimony. If that is land of the law,
	    that is it. Similarly, if Islam allows more than one wife,
	    it does not mean that every muslim must marry two  wives.
	    If the law of the land is no more than one that is it.
	    But, I  still believe that Muslims in India are not
	    in good shape.  

	    Not only that special provisions are screwing up the muslim 
	    community of India, fundamentalist Hindus have used this as
	    an excuse to kill muslims in India. If no hindu wants to marry
	    more than one wife, I do not see why they fuss over someone
	    else marrying four or forty. Ofcourse they can make fun of it,
	    but why do they envy it :-)
	

>	shape than minorities in many, many places. Well, you might say
>	that I have opinions ingrained in me by years of Indian

	I have not said that yet :-)
>	propaganda. I could say the same about others too. That's the
>	point I'm making. We should listen to each others' stories
>	instead of just going n with our own opinions only. Maybe thenwe
>	could get over our biases. Mansoor, judging by the tone of your
>	posts, I'm sure you can do that.

>I hope to keep this friendly-friendly. 
--

>Rajesh Raman

--
Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio



Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18685 soc.culture.indian:41775 soc.culture.arabic:5857
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sufi Dhikr @ Los Altos & Oakland
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:30:17 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec22.151317.806@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:
>
>        Dhikr and talks are held on Thursday,
>     Friday and Saturday evenings. 

What type of "Dhikr" do you do?
Is it the same "Dhikr" that Allah has mentioned
in Quran as:
	In-na unzul-na uz- Dhikr-a
	wa in-na la-hu la haafizoon

	[Indeed We have sent down the Dhikr and
	indeed We will be safeguarding it?]

P.S.
Just interested:

Do you also do "zerbs"__ i.e. all people making
   zerbs while proclaiming shahaadah?
Do you also, recite in unison x number of times some passages?
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:36:58 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from Pakistan? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

********************************************************************************
Internet Addresses:
			z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
       			    
				   or
			   
			   sfa1@jetson.uh.edu

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:19010 soc.culture.indian:42489 soc.culture.bangladesh:7221
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 1 Jan 1993 12:21:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Milind Saraph writes:
>|>	You still don't get it, do you? Science can be talked about by
>|>	the religious peepuls but it cannot be used alongside a divine
>|>	being. Science rejects a divine cause for anything.
>
>["You" refers to Salam here.]
>
>Divine causes and supernatural entities are outside the purview of 
>science.  Science has nothing to say about these.
>
>-- Milind Saraph

	Depends on how you interpret it. The basic principle of science
	is that everything has a rational explanation and one should'nt resort
	to demons and Gods. Of course, one *could* try and "rationalize"
	the idea of God but that does'nt fit into the current framework
	as yet and is best left for the metaphysicists. To that extent,
	Science does not accept the supernatural.

	FFT
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: DISGUSTED!!!!!!!
Keywords: all the *F* words!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:26:08 GMT

amjad@qureshi.austin.ibm.com () writes:



> All Readers-
>  After reading  about 100 or so SCP articles I came to the conclusion that 
>  we should rename this group to names mentioned below:

>  (*) Soc.filled.with.religious.bukwaas
>  (*) soc.hindu.mulsim.fight
>  (*) soc.*F*word.experts.
>  (*) soc.muslim.maybe.maybeNot
>  (*) soc.confused.
>  (*) soc.SCI.attack.
>  (*) soc.visa.F.J.B
>  (*) soc.NoMutt.NoEnthu.         (figure this one out on your own!
>                                   it is NOT dirty as some of you might think)

>  I can keep going on and on.....
>  This group is filled with this kinda of crapp and ridiculous articles. Why 
>  cant't we write about Pakistan and NOT (Mulims/Hindu's, Ahmedi's, Cows,.....)
>       
>  G R O W  U P


> Amjad Qureshi
>
	AMJAD BHAI ,
			I JUST HAVE TO ADD TWO MORE NAMES :


			(*) soc.DEFAME.INDIA
			(*) soc.DEFAME.HINDUS

			Look most appropriate , don't they ?

			HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: mrahman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Mushfiqur Rahman)
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
	<Bzo2G0.K5n@news.udel.edu>
	<1992Dec22.213838.540@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:35:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec22.213838.540@beaver.cs.washington.edu> hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:


>   Dear Khaleq,

>   I donot know which Jahils from Pakistan are sending death threats. 
>   If you have any b*lls, kindly let every one know, after all you are living
>   in a free society. 

>  Also, PakiAmericans and Pakistanis could care less what your Bangladeshis
>  problems are after twenty years. After all, if you guys are as Sonar as your
>  Bangla, how come Bangladesh is making more babies than food/economy for its
>  people. Japan btw was destroyed totally in 1945, in 1965 it was becoming a
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  power house of a nation with no local resources. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  So, please stop snivelling snot, and move on down the road.
>  Try doing something instead of complaining like a spoilt brat.

>   Best Regards to you and the rest of the Bengalis on the net,
>   Shams Hasan.

Comparison between Japan is Bangladesh is not appropriate. If you had
any knowledge of Japanese and likewise Bangladeshi (Econoimc) History 
you wouldn't have made such a comparison. So please do not post what 
you don't know (which has become very evident from your past postings).
So before you get on your high horse and call Khaleq a spoilt brat,
know what the hell you are talking about. And please also back it up
with facts and sources.

No Regards.

Tushu
From: scsd1553@altair.selu.edu (Ravi Kallianpur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:18:07 -0600
Reply-To: RAVI@SELU.EDU
Organization: C.I.S.S., Southeastern La. University

In article <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
> 
> 	A.  Religion

	Thank God for that.... o'wise most of animal species would be extint by
now... religious wars, etc.

	Ravi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Deepak's 1st BirthDay
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:55:29 GMT

an3814@anon.penet.fi writes:

>X-Anon-To: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian

>All readers of SCP and SCI are invited to attend Deepak Bose's 
>1st BirthDay on April 1 (April Fool) 1993.  We sincerely hope
>that as he grows old, he will become more and more ......(pl fill
>in the blank)

>Regards

	Abey O' anonymous baap ke puttar .(son of anonymous father) 

	G*** me dam hai to apna naam bata !
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:04:13 GMT

In article <1hbgk4INN13q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
writes:
> Stuff Deleted
> 
> >The creation of the Jewish state of Israel solely on the basis of religion
> >which resulted in the mass expulsion of Arabs and non-jews is derided by the
> >entire muslim world and possibly by a large number of Pakistanis; but I've
never
> >understood how the creation of the muslim state of Pakistan was justified in
the
> >same breadth by the same people.
> 
> >--Javed.
> 
> 	Pakistan and India were Created by bisecting pre-1947 India.
> 	People who lived in post-47 India were living there for centuies.
> 	Similarly people who lived in Pakistan lived there for Centuries.
> 	i.e. Baluchis, Panjabis, Sindhis, Bengalis, and Pathans. Yes, huge
> 	trans-border migration took place, but all of the people who now live
> 	in Pakistan and India,  lived in pre 47 India for thousands of years.
> 	Israel on the other hand was created for bringing people who
> 	did not belong to Palestine. In other words, Jews who live in
> 	todays Israel, most of them are of non Palestinian ancestary.
> 	i.e. people of pre 1948 Palestine <> people of Jordan + People of
> 					     Israel + People of West Bank
> 						      of river Jordan.
> 
> 	but people of pre 1947 India = people of modern Pakistan 
> 				     + people of modern India.
>   




I'm not disputing the fact that the people of India and Pakistan belonged to
pre-partition India. I am disputing the ideology that resulted in the creation
of these religion inspired countries. 

In the case of Israel, the majority of the Jews around the world are Semites,
like the Arabs and descendents of the Jewish tribes of the ancient biblical land
comprising present day Israel, who were exiled from their lands.

My argument is that if religion is the sole justification for creating Pakistan,
then the creation of Israel also cannot be faulted on that token.

Before people get worked up, I must make it clear that I support the claims
of the Palestinians in their fight against Israel because the foundation of
the Israeli state is based on morally unacceptable and illegal premises.

But I see the same parallels, though not of the same magnitude, in the creation
of Pakistan.


--Javed.








> Mansoor Khan
> Cleveland, Ohio
> 
> 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18716 soc.culture.bangladesh:7043 soc.culture.indian:41835
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:48:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <BzoGv8.2F5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
>>> 
>>> 	A.  Religion
>
>	A. Man can think logically and like you animal can't think.
>
>
>Nishit

it is Ni-shit and not Nishit . Got that  moron !
From: hwhfac@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: EK SHER
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:44:21 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

KAR GAYE THE WADA KE AAYENGE KHWAB MEIN,
MARE KHUSHI KE NEEND NAHIN AAYE TO KYA KARE!



WAHEED.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18802 soc.culture.bangladesh:7094 soc.culture.indian:41981
From: banerjee@aludra.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 25 Dec 1992 13:01:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec25.072430.36325@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:

> I have my own views and I have full right to place them on the net.

Freedom of expression, eh? Last I heard, a bill that would give partial
rights to domesticated animals (this includes you, as Asim Mughal's donkey)
was mired in that perineal epitomy of bureaucratic efficiency called
Congress. Didn't know that they had made an exception in your case.
Of course, it's that death threat you made against your local Congressman.
Yes, that would definitely do it.

> If you dont like my articles , you can skip them instead of calling
> me names.

"Dont like your articles?"...how dreadfully sinister !!! What on earth 
gave you such an impression. No, I absolutely adore your articles. Lately 
I dont seem to be getting enough of them. Ah yes, it's that lobotomized
brain of yours. What, they removed everything and transplanted it with
a toad brain (yes,yes I know how you hate toads)? How awful!!

And then the medicines they gave you caused you to grow two extra limbs,
a tail and a penchant for receiving verbal and physical abuse. You know, 
you can never trust these doctors in Karachi. You really should have seen 
someone in Ayodhya. In fact sources there tell me, that you would fit 
perfectly for back up Hanuman #23 for the Ram temple being built there.
 
Now, now MIS-FART (you dont mind me calling you that do you?) when did I
call you names? Such sweeping accusations do not suit a perfectly fine
specimen of Pakistani secularism. I was merely pointing out the
reference to the Donkus ibrahimicus in a futile attempt as it turns out,
to place your family lineage in better perspective.

With all your ancestors being puritan practitioners in the wonderful world
of polygamy and their spouses having dabbled however fleetingly, in the
virtues of polyandry, it does seem that your family tree is somewhat
complicated. Now as you pointed out, DNA finger printing may be the way to go
to locate your surrogate parents.  But you see, testing the entire male
population of Karachi looking for your dad is not exactly what I had in mind.

If you can narrow down the search to a smaller subset of that population,
I would be glad to help. Now you know how to reach me, dont you? Just ask
the nurse on duty at your local pschiatric unit when you go for your
next mental.

Happy Holidays to you too.

Samit



-- 
Samit Banerjee				|			
University of Southern California,	| If you take yourself too seriously, 
Internet  banerjee@aludra.usc.edu       | you will be only one who does.
Bellnet: (213) 342-1401			|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: GHANDI
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:42:36 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <dbose.724716910@khamsin.aem.umn.edu>, dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>
>>In <Byy0C3.J0o@dcs.ed.ac.uk> maya@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mohammed Ayaz) writes:
>
>>>Question 
>
>>>How many hindus can you get in a mini ?
>
>>>Answer
>
>>>6, 3 in the back 2 in the front and Ghandi in the ashtray.
>
>>>Ha ha ha.
>>>         ________________________
>>>        |                        |
>>> 
> 	QUESTION :
>
>	HOW MANY MUSLIM L*NDS CAN YOU FIND IN A MINI ???
>
>
>	ANSWER :
>
>	TWO AND A HALF
>
Wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The correct answer is six. You just asked the same question in a different 
way.        
>
>	HALF + HALF       IN FRONT
>
>	HALF + HALF + HALF    IN THE BACK
>
>	______----------------------------------------
>
>	PROBABLY HALF MORE IF JINNAH IS ALLOWED
>
>	IN THE ASHTRAY .
>
        How about that Ganja in the ashtray. He will take lesser space!

	HA   HA   HA   HA   HA   HA  !!!!!!
	HO   HO   HO   HO   HO   HO  !!!!!!

	HI   HI    HI    HI    HI   HI   !!!!!!

          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pir Altaf Hussain retires! contribution! Fate of the three Quaids
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:26:25 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec21.184246.2298@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>even his name is an oxymoron, "pir". what kind of a pir is he, one that likes
>to torture and kill? i saw the torture chambers he and his horde used in
>karachi, you would wonder what kind of a mind would enjoy the use of drills
>and hacksaws for torture?

I think you missed the cynicism of my post. Especially, the use of 
prefix  "Pir" . I used it in the background of the news report in
Dawn describing the resurfacing of Azeem Ahmed Tariq from his hiding.
When an MQM "jiyala" tried to kiss his hand, he shrugged the person
off abruptly. He commented, "had not we already have had enough of
this pir and quaid business" 

He continued, "There were three quaids after the Quaid-e-Azam, one
was shot and killed as he addressed the public, the other was hung,
and the third had to leave Pakistan unceremoniously".
		[my rememberance of his quotes]

Note: Liaquat Ali Khan used to be called Quaid-e-Millat
      Z.A. Bhutto was called Quaid-e-Awam
      Altaf Husain was called Quaid-e-Tehreek



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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:50:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1h7us0INN1uj@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Nishit writes:
>>In article <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>>>> 	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
>>>> 	A.  Religion
>>	A. Man can think logically and like you animal can't think.
>>Nishit
>
>	Hey Nishit, stop insulting that animal (I'm not referring to Mustafa :)
>	will you? Sheesh, comparison with Mustafa....
>
>	

Vijay puppet , I guess you have reached the society of animals as per
my advice .:-)))))
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:29:33 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <samaddar.724975522@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>
>>then dream a better dream, be better than Jinnah, and make 
>>it a reality. If Jinnah can do it in 20 years, I am sure 
>>you can do it in 10 years!!!! 
>
>It is easier to realize a destructive dream than a constructive
>one. To break a country is easier than to bring peace.

Didn't I say above, "then dream a better dream!"
who said making dreams a reality is a task for ordinary people.
Better the dream, greater the courage and greater the effort.