Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: lllll      me Godflesh info...
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Oct5.211840.205@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

In article <1aqivuINNq8l@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> I'm not going to argue with your prectint about some of the bands that
> go under the metal 'banner',and the bad reputation metal has through
> a few too-many sell-out wanky bands. But remember some of the best
> influential musicians in the world originated from the dreaded metal
> camp and are responsible for much of influences of the music that is 
> around today
> 
> Red

>first of all Red
>why do you have to be so hostile?

What's the difference between a redhead and a terrorist?
You can negotiate with a terrorist.

If you really want to know, I've been experincing the new acute
form of pain relating to my part Maori ancestory - (I'm a 16th -
-must be my tribal origins ;)

-the denist drill with no gas! 

Then he said, "Now where did I put those pliers?"

>It can't be the music that you listen to
>since I have heard or been intomost of the music
>you talk about 

You listen to Maori tribal music? The Haka? (Someone should be
sampling this :) 

Note: it is common net-ettieque to use smileys if you dont like it, 
include it in the FAQ or argue amongest yourselves but there again so is 
spelling, so what if one can't be bothered to use a spell check, its 
the words that count and not all of us are English majors, so there.

And BTW -

I am wearing a recycled studded punk leather jacket, with the sleeves 
cut off (and its really cold) with a handpainted skull with the band-name
inscribed "Anti Nowhere League", a black tiered mini skirt, a Virus
top with a variety of hand/shot guns screen-printed all over, a black studded 
waist belt S&M style, winkle picker boots with star ankle chains, bright 
blue tights with stars and eyes patterned getically, fisherman's cap with 
a skull & crossbones in the centre of it, skull nose stud  and skull 
earring as my right ear is sliced right through and features fancy surgical
stitching and my hair is really red and really long.

Why? Because I hate looking like a pleb & I like to upset the suit people
in the conservative town I live in. (I dont really see why I have
to justify this to anyone actually, as I don't have a bone through
the centre of my nose aka Sailor Sid - that's my choice!)

I have always enjoyed music/art with a macbre theme, tribal influences
(my grandpa influenced much of my taste with his love of early Jamician
music and Led Zeppelin, he is 85), satanism, serial killers, death, surgey, 
and destruction etc, regardless if it is industrial, metal, even goth 
and alternative. The more people singing about it the merrier. 

(In an art sense check out the cover of Danzigs new album - How The Gods 
Kill, its HR Giger, yes Danzig's not industrial and neither did I say I was a 
fan but I noted the album title is a quote taken from a true story book 
"Hell Ranch" about the Sanjazzro(sp?) family, and friends running drugs 
from Mexico to the  States, who are lead to believe in order to make 
themselves invisible from danger and the authorities, practise a combination 
of two ancient African religions relating to human sacrifice and multiation.) 

I don't see anything wrong with the term metal or industrial metal used 
to describe some forms of industrial music as its just a blanket term,
and removes from the what is this bands style - like seattle/bay area,
grunge, thrash, grindcore, hardcore, death (to), disco (abba?). You 
only need to read the alt.metal groups to see the stupidity of the young 
net-weanies who love their mainstream metal bands. I just get more 
pissed off with the purposeful/narrowminded ignorance. A band should be able to 
experiment with any form of the music it choses in a creative way without 
people going "Oh Minstry sounds like a thrash band", they're not industrial
or that album is not industrial, its sounding more and more like a
broken record. Leave them the <<fuck>> alone for other people to enjoy.

No doubt they be doing something else next, so if you dont like it,
stop moaning and do what other people do take, the CD down to the Second
Hand Record shop.

Last year on a sound course at Writhe Studios, our group put together
probably the worst song out of sampled recordings & people playing
instruments you could ever ask for. We were all asked to supply music 
and everyone on the course had <<different tastes>> in music, hence a 
hotch-potch of bastardized sounds was born. Vocals - Fred Dagg, a known 
Kiwi comedien with a liking for sheep sang "Kick it in the Guts, Trev", 
C&W rhythm guitar, Terminal Cheesecake drums, Raymond playing the triangle
(had to be seen to be believed), a bassist & me doing samples for the
recording. Every time I hear this, my skin just crawls!

>at one or other point in my life
>and yes 
>I would love to know about the bands that 
>influenced any of the music that
>I might care about
 
Sorry I dont have the lyrics to the Joy Division cover song <<Sister Ray>>. 

Trace back the roots of the bands you enjoy and look at the origins of the
members, what were they doing. i.e: I note Kitchens of Distinction in 
there somewhere you mention has a couple of ex-members of an NZ's Dundedin
style band.

>an offering of love
>from flesh chamber9

Here we go, again -
--
Red

In the STATES they've set up a deprogramming centre where you can take
your derranged punk child or metal kid. And how you deal with it when
they start getting posters or acting strange. If you start listening
to this music they've got centres where they take you to get deprogrammed.
That'll happen in New Zealand you know.

Brett (skinhead) Toxic Avengers, New Plymouth.
From Bill Paynes book - Staunch




Red