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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:56:44 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Sep24.165900.8008@tc.fluke.COM> schulz@tc.fluke.COM (Edmund P. Schulz) writes:
/Bush's after prime time announcement of his vetoing of the family
/leave bill yesterday should remove any lingering doubts about his
/real idea about a "kinder, gentler nation" that cherishes "family
/values".  The bill would have required employers of fifty or more
/people to provide up to twelve weeks UNPAID leave to deal with the
/birth of a child or a family illness.  Virtually all industrialized
/nations recognize the public service of rearing the next generation
/and provide not only unpaid leave but also paid leave.

And you dump the cost of this on business. "Unpaid" is inaccurate. The
business still pays for the benefits, such as health insurance, which are
a substantial part of the compensation cost. Also, what about the 3 months
of undone work? How is business going to temporarilly hire a replacement,
and then dump that replacement after 3 months? In engineering, it is well
known that a new engineer takes several months to really get up to speed.
This policy would be another costly burden on business.

I suspect that the liberal idea of family values is "somebody, anybody
but the parents, pays for the parents' childrearing".

/This, along with the fact that this country still has no policy on
/universal health care, makes you really question why this nation
/seems unwilling to recognize the most basic of social contracts
/among its people.  If this economic system is supposed to be the
/most robust and productive one in the world, why are we unable
/to enjoy even these most basic benefits?

I consider the Bill of Rights the most basic social contract, not unlimited
free health care.

If you have unlimited free health care, and tons of leave for various reasons
mandated by law, then you will no longer have a robust and productive
economy.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: trevord@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Organization: Peanuts
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:06:49 GMT

In article <941@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>
>The family leave bill would have at least 3 effects:
>o	An incentive for growing companies to stop hiring at 50 people.

Ridiculous.
>	An incentive for companies with >50 people to fire a few to get
>	below 50.
Absurd.
>o	A disincentive for companies to hire people for key positions who
>	would be likely to take parental leave. (This probably means
>	young women.)
	I hate to clue you in but this has been SOP since 
	women first moved out of the nursery and into the
	workplace. 
>o	Another cot to business that makes American business less

	American business are less competitive because the workforce
	is loaded with stupid people. Numerous companies already
	offer some form of family leave. interstingly these tend
	to be among the most forward thinking and most successful
	of american companies. 
>	competitive. Adding burdens to business drives out of business the
	Being stupid slow and slothful drives a business out of
	business. Family leave has almost nothing to do with this..
	execept perhaps to provide incentives for a solid intelligent
	employee to work for the company.  


-- 
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bobhurt@cac.washington.edu (Bob Hurt {IS})
Subject: WANTED: Sports bar with satellite dish for KC/Denver game
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:12:02 GMT

I would like to watch Sunday's Kansas City at Denver football game,
but since it starts at the same time as the Seahawk game it won't
be televised here.

Does anyone know of a sports bar or anything that has at least one
satellite dish and might have the KC/Denver game on?

Any help will be appreciated!

--Bob Hurt
  bobhurt@u.washington.edu
  Bronco fan for life
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: lzuo@byron.u.washington.edu (Li Zuo)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Auto licence and Insurance
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:59:50 GMT
Reply-To: lzuo@u.washington.edu
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Hi, everyone:

A person just came from Canada and will stay here for a while. He would like to 
know how he should get his car registration and get autolicence and insurance
here. Any information will be appreciated. thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: seattle.general,seattle.forsale,pnw.forsale,misc.forsale
From: bketcham@stein.u.washington.edu (Benjamin Ketcham)
Subject: FOR SALE:  TWO PLANE TICKETS, M/F, VALUE $440 EACH
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:33:47 GMT

We have two plane tickets, useable any time from now to next August,
for sale.  There are *no* blackout days associated with these tickets,
ie, they can be used over holidays, etc.

They can be used for any flight on United, up to the original value of
$440.00, or applied towards more expensive flights if desired.

We're asking $400 each, and we'll take care of the re-assignment to
whatever flights you want (along with the $25 fee) if you desire.

Ben Ketcham

bketcham@u.washington.edu
(206)543-8176
(206)528-1220

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: rocque@seanews.akita.com (peter marshall)
Subject: Re: CLID in Seattle
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:38:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.073237.112@nwnexus.WA.COM> brc@halcyon.com (Brian
Cartmell) writes:
> 
>I understand that CLID is going to be available on all 5ESS and 1ESS
>in US West on Oct 22nd 1992.
>
>Brian
>


I am glad you "understand" that CLID will be "available" as your post
describes. One might be "glad-er" if you had provided some indication of
what you've based this assertion on, especially since there seems to be
no present indication that the WUTC shares your "understanding."

On the other hand, "availability," of course, is one thing, and
availability to users is quite another. It is also the case that USWC
recently filed for CLID and CLASS with the WUTC, but withdrew the
proposal in short order, with a refiling expected.

-- 
peter marshall
(rocque@seanews.akita.com peterm@rwing.uucp)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: eileen@Data-IO.COM (Eileen Manton)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:17:21 GMT



>Viacom said they have a 36 channel capacity and that they are currently at
>36 channels. If they get a large number of request to add the SCI-FI
>Channel, they will.
>
>Please call!
>
>Jim


Isn't it true, though, that if ViaCom gets the SCI-FI
channel, current shows like Star Trek: TNG and the
proposed Deep Space Nine, as well as old shows such as
the original Star Trek, BattleStar Gallactica, Lost in
Space, etc., will only be available through cable?
That kind of leaves those of us without cable hookups
high and dry ...
Newsgroups: seattle.general,seattle.forsale,pnw.forsale,misc.forsale
From: hhll@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Video duplication enhancer
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:31:00 GMT

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Call Steven at 206-285-5734 (Seattle)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Register to vote at Pike Place
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:47:55 GMT

dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:

>It always reminded me of that political ad where someone pulled the
>lever of one candidate and the world blew up.  Anyone remember who that
>was??

perhaps that was 1964, referring to Goldwater?  i'm just 
guessing; i'm too young to remember anything like that.

-- 
 /'''   The Machman     machman@milton.u.washington.edu    david c carroll
 c-OO                                                                      
    \                     "Big Science.  Hallelujah"
   -                                                                       
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:36:20 GMT

In article <356@sleepy.UUCP>, allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn) writes:
> [ edited ]
> I have done without tv or a car (which is yet another article that I
> osccasionaly hear complaining about here; you know, taxes, registration,
> that sort of blither) have not regretted it one bit. Try it. You may
> like it. 

No TV?  No car?  And you have the gall to call yourself an
*American*?!?

Don't you realize that you are what you buy?

QUICK!  Someone call the Secret Service and have this threat to
the American Way removed from our midst!

(In case you haven't figured out by now:  :-) :-) :-) )

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
( Who doesn't have Cable TV himself, doesn't miss it, and can't understand
  what all the whining is about either.)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp)
Subject: Astronomy telescopes.
Organization: GTE Telecom, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:09:14 GMT

I am searching for a contact in the Seattle Astronomers Club
(Web-footed Astronomers?).  I am also looking for a source for 
telescope kits, in particular, the grind-your-lens kits.

Thanks for any info,

Ken Swapp
ken@gtenmc.gtetele.com
-- 
Ken Swapp
ken@gtenmc.gtetele.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: trevord@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Followup-To: seattle.general 
Summary: read the fine print
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Peanuts
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.161928.705@eskimo.celestial.com> mann@eskimo.celestial.com (Tom Mann) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.051718.28897@seanews.akita.com>, billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
>> 
>> Say you have a contractor begin remodeling your kitchen.  Halfway
>> through the job the worker's child is born and he stops work for
>> *three months*.  Now you can't give the job to someone else -- after
>> all, by legislative fiat he has the right to leave you in the lurch.
>> So your kitchen remains unusable for one quarter of a year -- but
>

   The family leave bill only applied to companies with >50 people.

-- 
* Trevor Dewey                                                                *
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Register to vote at Pike Place
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:20:32 GMT

dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.022519.22950@polari> dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:
>>
>>It always reminded me of that political ad where someone pulled the
>>lever of one candidate and the world blew up.  Anyone remember who that
>>was??
>>

>Ronald Reagan.   The ad was sponsored by the Carter campaign.

Are you sure?  I thought the ad was much older, mid-sixties, some primary
race with an ex-military candidate.

-- 
                 Wayne Dyer --- dwdyer@polari.online.com  
  "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them. The will to a system
      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_ 
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From: pat@sleepy.UUCP (Pat Eyler   )
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:47:06 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Sep28.171721.7301@data-io.com>, eileen@Data-IO.COM (Eileen Manton) writes:
> 
> Isn't it true, though, that if ViaCom gets the SCI-FI
> channel, current shows like Star Trek: TNG and the
> proposed Deep Space Nine, as well as old shows such as
> the original Star Trek, BattleStar Gallactica, Lost in
> Space, etc., will only be available through cable?
> That kind of leaves those of us without cable hookups
> high and dry ...

The only things that we will lose if tSFC shows up on viacom are the channels
which tSFC already owns exclusive rights to (Star Trek: the Animated Series or
whatever the name was, et al) this means will will not see them on other 
channels anyway.  Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Babylon 5 and
other new shows as well as Star Trek (th original) and other shows that tFCS
does not *yet* own exclusive rights to will still show up on 'free
channels'.  This is the same thing that is happening with Nickelodeon as they
buy up rights to the Mary Tyler Moore show (and others)....Not good news for
the casual fan, time to turn into the Vidiot West and tape everything...
						Pat E
						eyler@sleepy.boeing.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171721.7301@data-io.com>
     eileen@Data-IO.COM (Eileen Manton) writes:

>Isn't it true, though, that if ViaCom gets the SCI-FI
>channel, current shows like Star Trek: TNG and the
>proposed Deep Space Nine, as well as old shows such as
>the original Star Trek, BattleStar Gallactica, Lost in
>Space, etc., will only be available through cable?
>That kind of leaves those of us without cable hookups
>high and dry ...

   This is _not_ true.  Just as cable channels now carry material we
regularly see on broadcast as well, so it will be in the future.  The
producer of the Sci-Fi channel has proposed buying all rights to future
re-runs of ST:TNG and other Star Trek products, but so far Paramount
has rebuffed that offer due to an insufficient audience.

         Elf !!!
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Tell Viacom Cable to add the SCI-FI Channel
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.141025.1748@mdd.comm.mot.com> kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey) writes:
>
>Look at the new central district cable franchise -- awarded as the last
>franchise in Seattle, it has the 72-channel capacity!  So, if you want better
>cable, move downtown!  Look at the report from Spokane -- 72-channel cable
>there!  Why can't the major cable companines in Seattle do this?  Can you say
>``unregulated monopoly''?  I knew you could!
>

While I sympathise with your loathing of cable companies, it should be
pointed out that they have a monopoly *granted* my the city (or county in
unincorporated areas).  This is hardly the image of an unregulated
monopoly.  In fact, monopolies are very fragile things.  They don't exist
for long except when *sponsored* by governments which have the power to
keep out competitors.  Cable companies are regulated.  They just aren't
*as* regulated as this bill would make them.

-- 
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 ..!uunet!tacoma!dcb      |  "Nylok lock nuts lose their  |  /   ____/ / 
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mann@eskimo.celestial.com (Tom Mann)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:19:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.051718.28897@seanews.akita.com>, billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
> 
> Say you have a contractor begin remodeling your kitchen.  Halfway
> through the job the worker's child is born and he stops work for
> *three months*.  Now you can't give the job to someone else -- after
> all, by legislative fiat he has the right to leave you in the lurch.
> So your kitchen remains unusable for one quarter of a year -- but

The last time I had a contractor do any work for me, I inisisted on
a strong cluase in the contract to avoid just that situation....
substantial penalities and the right to award the contract to someone 
else. End of problem!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom "Old" Mann KD9NL/7 Kirkland, Wash.     

I don't do drugs, don't do DOS and definitely do not do Windows.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: craig@cs.washington.edu (Craig Anderson)
Subject: Re: Bush's veto of family leave bill
Keywords: Family values
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:35:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.190047.5728@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>If you are pulled
>over for any reason there is an automatic search warrant for your car, 
>including the trunk.

According to a Seattle Times article I read last month, this is not (yet)
true.  Police still need consent in order to search a car if they
don't have a warrent.  However, the article said that in places
like Pennsylvania and Louisiana cops will pull "suspicious" people
over because they didn't signal a lane change, then badger them
until they consent to a search.  One man was detained for two
hours in Pennsylvania because he refused consent; the police
called for a drug sniffing dog, which after 2 passes around the
car didn't smell anything.  According to an officer quoted in
the article, almost everyone consents sooner or later.

Just another benefit of the War on Drugs...

-- 
Craig Anderson
craig@cs.washington.edu                              Visualize World Spam
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Sports bar with satellite dish for KC/Denver game
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.001202.10052@u.washington.edu>, bobhurt@cac.washington.edu (Bob Hurt {IS}) writes:
|> Does anyone know of a sports bar or anything that has at least one
|> satellite dish and might have the KC/Denver game on?

I got a flyer from the Duchess tavern (NE 55th St at 30th Ave NE) that
proclaims the tavern will carry every Bronco game on satellite.  I'd bet
they'll have the KC/Denver game on.
-- 
Paul Brownlow				|         Visualize 
Data I/O Corp.  Redmond, WA		|	   Whirled
paul@data-io.com			|	    Peas
					|
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ken@halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
Subject: Re: US competitiveness
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:50:32 GMT

In article <1762@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.221140.563@fnx.uucp> jp@fnx.uucp (Jack Pospyhala) writes:
>>                              Japanese workers are far better at quality
>>control than US workers.  That is part of the reason Japan can produce
>>goods more economically than the US (it certainly has nothing to do with
>>wages or cost-of-living anymore).  The catch is that Japanese products
>>are designed to a lower quality standard.  Since the workers have
>>excellent quality control, the "target" can be shifted down without an
>>unacceptable number of units falling outside the allowable minimum
>>quality level.  But the *average* quality still centers on the lower
>>target value, therefore a "lower quality" product.
>
>The above brings up a question:  One of the reasons many purchase, for
>example, a Jap car over an equivilant US model is because they have a
>reputation of a *HIGHER* quality than the US made counterpart in the
>same price range - less defects initially, holds up better over the long
>term, etc.  This would hardly seem possible if the product were built
>to a LOWER qualtiy standard.

I think the point was that with better quality control you get a
much smaller deviation from your acceptance standards, hence you
can have a lower standard and still achieve an overall better
product.

		--Ken Pizzini
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kiml@Data-IO.COM (Kim Durwood)
Subject: Great Chevy repair shop Eastside
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:28:49 GMT

To the person who requested a good place to get a brake job done on
their Chevy Blazer:

During the few years I owned a 1985 Chevy S10 Blazer, I took it to
Nelson's Automotive Service in Totem Lake 823-4981.

A small two man shop, very reasonable rates, very honest and fixed each
thing that needed to be repaired the first time and on budget.
I can't say enough good things about the owner/mechanic of this place.
Nice guy, good service, technically able.

He did brakes for me, fuel injector system overhaul, tune up and fixed
a vaccuum leak when the engine service light came on and stayed on.

Try him, you'll like him!

Kim Durwood