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From: paulq@spider.co.uk (Paul Qualtrough)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: International Software Jobs
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:07:57 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <lgismcINNhjf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:
>Isn't there some sort of legal action or systems admin for USENET
>who can stop this guy from advertising on the net like this??  He and
>the ICPA have had numerous warnings and this is the 3rd such post to
>this network in recent weeks.  Tony simply doesn't get the picture.
>
>--Reno

Is it such a problem?  Can't you skip over articles you don't want to read?
Some people may want to make use of ICPA's services, and this is a good
medium for them to advertise in I would have thought.  Unless there is
some written rules of access to the net saying "thou shalt not advertise"
or the charter of the newsgroups themselves prohibits it, then your stand
runs against the whole censorship/violation of constitutional rights/freedom
of speech _thing_ "you americans" seem to be so keen to protect.

Perhaps the choice of newsgroup is a little lacking, but with the masses
of newsgroups there are, what international newsgroups exist which would
be more appropriate?  Try being constructive and suggesting where else he
may put his advert, beyond the implicit "up his ...."

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: Australian Land Laws
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.035906.2729@funlwb.enet.dec.com> lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden) writes:
>In article <gf1fR2q00iV1I2amFH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stephen Sorensen <ss9o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>|>     Can anyone out there tell me if the following descriptions
>|> correspond to the reality of Australian law:
>|> 
>|> >I do believe your American legal system is wrought with problems if
>|> >such questions were not long ago settled. Here in Australia *ALL*
>|> >land is vested in the Crown; which means in the common interest under
>|> >the legal framework of a Constitutional Monarchy manifested in the
>|> >power which has been legitimated in the elected parliament. That is,
>|> >we dispose of this apparent problem of "the public" having to pay for
>|> >something by merely stating that the public already own it.
>|>  
>|> [some deletions]
>
>I do not believe that this totally correct, at least not in my home state of
>South Australia. Having worked for Telecom Australia where we often had to
>place plant on someone else's property - especially in rural and remote areas
>- I feel I have some knowledge of this, although I definitely am not a lawyer.
>
>As I understand it, only land acquired after a certain date belongs to the
>Crown. In, SA, that extends to virtually all of the land north and west of Pt
>Augusta (i.e. nearly all of SA but only including perhaps only 1% of the
>populatation). Where most people live, the land is freehold. On Crown land, you
>can buy leases, many of which are for 99 years.

Isn't this also the case with the old soldier settlements? If not
everywhere, then at least in Western NSW? I seem to remember reading
something about this in "The Road from Coorain". And isn't all
development in Canberra done on 99 year leases?

>Title to a very large portion of the SA Crown land was handed over to the
>Aborigines about 5 years ago and so it could be argued that very little of SA 
>is Crown land.
>
>I believe that similar situations exist in WA and the NT (at least), which would
>(with SA) make up perhaps 70% of Australia.

My understanding is that crown land is vested in the various *state*
governments except in the case of the territories which are controlled
by the federal government. I should imagine that the treatment of land
ownership varies quite a bit by state and has also varied through
time. The original quote is not applicable to the whole of Australia.

Chris

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From: bill@appleoz.apple.oz.au (William Logan Lee)
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:59:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Australia Pty Ltd

In article <1992Nov18.132125.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au> ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.171651.23241@news.uit.no>, sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:
>> 
>> Is it possible to "survive and get around" with a MasterCard in the
>> areas around Sydney and Perth? Is the MC well accepted by shops, motels,
>> restaurants, banks etc. in these areas? What about access to "money
>> machines" with the MC?
>> Svein-Ivar
>
>Not really, you would be much safer with VISA or travellers cheques.
>I have never used the money machines when travelling - the service
>premium is too high.

I beg to differ.  The three main cards in use in Australia are MasterCard,
Visa, and BankCard.  Bankcard is the Australia-only credit card, unlike
the first two.  You should be able to get by with MasterCard and some cash
for taxis, small purchases, etc.  Some businesses have a A$10 minimum charge
for the use of credit cards, but the price is the same for cards, cheque, or
cash (although you could try to get it cheaper by asking their price for cash).
Traveller's cheques are not well accepted except in those places catering for
international travellers.  Most Banks will change money for you, taking about
2-5% commission in the process (above the published exchange rates for that
day), with a minimum charge (A$10?). 

My guess is that Visa and MasterCard are pretty much equally accepted for
payment, it is unusual for a business to take one and not the other.  Other
cards like American Express and Diner's Card seem to be accepted only at
businesses that are catering for the international traveller or those with
large amounts of money.

I have never felt reticent about using the money machines outside of Oz,
believing that you get ripped off by the money changer, your bank, or
your card provider: by all about the same amount.  You do want to minimise the
number of times you change your money otherwise you are just adding these
fees together.  Don't carry large amounts of cash (>A$200, say) if possible,
even though muggings in Australia are not common.

Bill Lee
(I just checked my wallet; the standard credit card receipt that I keep
getting has tick boxes for Bankcard, Mastercard, and Visa.  Not conclusive,
but a good indication.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sgh@iedv7.acd.com ( Scot Harris         )
Subject: VISA / Travelers Cheques
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:46:53 GMT

I just returned from Sydney where I spent 6 weeks on business.  I was able
to use my VISA everywhere I went.  By using my VISA I was able to average
out exchange rates, as opposed to cashing in all my money at one exchange
rate.

As far as cash advances, I never tried an ATM, but just took my card into
a bank and got the advance.  The charge for my particular VISA card was
2% of the advance.

I also found that some banks (Westpac, for sure) gave a better exchange rate
on travellers cheques than on American currency.  I didn't try converting my
American cheques to Australian, because I didn't really need the cheques; I 
could use my VISA.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:29:27 GMT

(Thomas Mc Neill) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.140440.165163@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
>sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au (Simon Langsford) wrote:
>> I am probably going to be in Hobart for a week or so in 
>> late December, and was wondering if people could offer
>> suggestions/advice on 'things to do' while there

>Wish you were home.
>Tom Mc Neill
>Loughborough University
>Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
 ^^^^^^^^^
Funny, "wishing I was home" was what I was doing most of the time I was
visiting the UK... :-)

Rob

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From: hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden)
Subject: New kid 
Organization: University of Sydney, EE Dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:58:55 GMT


BTW, I suppose everyone noticed the subtle hint dropped by Optus, that their
long-distance phone service is about to be available? By subtle hint I mean
the 4-page-long advertisement in the Sydney Morning Herald on Saturday and
again on Monday. I assume this appeared in the other dailies?

In spite of its length, there was not a great deal of information in it. They
told us their rates, and that we have to dial 1 before the usual number, to
use Optus.  

I have been subjected to the American telephone system and I hope ours doesn't
go the same way ...

-- 
Hugh Garsden		
University of Sydney 
hughg@ee.su.oz.au
From: jb00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSE ANTONIO BASTO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: E. Timor & Autralia
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:04:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am having a discussion with Mr. Dewanto, an Indonesian, at
Soc.culture.asean, and he did refer the Australian interest on the E. Timor
Gap oil resources.

In a posterior posting, Mr. Dewanto asked what would be the Australian
reaction to my reply.

As USENET NEWS are a free forum, please take some time to read and discuss
the subject.

If enough interest arises, I can also post in this bulletin the series of the
proceedings of a Seminar held at University of Porto, Portugal, on the issue
of E. Timor.

Thanks for your attention.

Jose' Basto ( Portuguese Citizen)

ORIGINAL POSTING:

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Evans dog comment...
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:32:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

I watched a half-hour interview of Foreign Minister
Gareth Evans on a NHK Sattelie TV channel when he
visited Japan earlier this year. He was quite impressive
and very well parsed in Asian cultures. At the end of
the program, he mentioned his experience of extensive
travel in Asia as a backpacker in '60s. Evans was
very effective as he "downplayed" his expertise and
knowledge aiming for the maximum effect on Japanese
audiences. He did not show his lighter side of oratory
skill either. (I thought he does not have a sense of
humor as he looked all the time so serious. duped again.)

Probably Sanator Bishop disagrees but I guess Minister
Evan's excuse is, eh, 'edible' one for public consumption.
Or does Minister Evans wish to eat his words
rather than a puppy on a barbie as the influential circles
on the opposite side of a table think. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer)
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Keywords: PLUS NYCE Westpac Oz banks
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:32:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.060145.7880@Princeton.EDU> sjackman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Simon D. Jackman) writes:
>Could someone please post some info on which US atm networks, e.g., PLUS,
>are available in Australia.  PLUS is rumoured to be available in Australia but I
>couldn't find it on my last visit back there (October 92)
>
>It is pretty wild to be travelling overseas and be able to pull local
>currency out of the wall from your regular chequing account etc at home.
>
yes.. I never take any travellers cheques with me when I go home to AUS (Perth)
any more (just use the ATM)

>thanks and cheers -- simon


Plus is indeed available in AUS
my mother in AUS has a caard on my account at BofA
to pay for things that come up from time to time.

go to a bank that supports PLUS 
they will have a book of banks that support PLUS around the world

in AUS these tend to be smaller banks, but your usually near one..
(in W.AUS it's CHALLENGE bank)
Ditto in Vic.
(In S.AUS it's the STATE BANK of S.A.)
Ditto on DARWIN
in NORTH QLD it's Northern Building society (an S&L)

they don't seem to be in Brisbane anywhere
Tasmania and NSW don't seem to have any banks on PLUS either.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jstander@ml.csiro.au (Jeff Stander)
Subject: Re: Inquiry on Job Opportunities for Engineers
Reply-To: jstander@ml.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Marine Laboratories
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:04:35 GMT


I have some knowledge of this, having just been hired by CSIRO as a data base analyst.
For a foreigner to work in Australia you need to have sponsorship, i.e. you need to
have an organization agree to hire you for a fixed or indefinite time.  The Aussie
Immigration service will issue you either a temporary working visa (for the fixed
time of the contract) or a permanent visa if the job is indefinite.  There are tax
considerations between the two.  The key condition in issuing a visa is that there 
are no Australian applicants who can do the job.  A permanent visa is much harder to
get than the temporary one.  (Mine is temporary, and restricted to the particular job).

You are not supposed to visit Australia for the purpose of looking for a job.  The Sydney
Herald has a weekly computer jobs listing (I forget which day) and there are some 
headhunting firms in Sydney as well.

Jeff Stander
CSIRO Hobart Tasmania
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:07:16 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.20.13

>> I am probably going to be in Hobart for a week or so in 
>> late December, and was wondering if people could offer
>> suggestions/advice on 'things to do' while there
>
>Wish you were home.
>
I went to Hobart once. I was so bored that I phoned a friend of a friend
of a friend, just to talk to someone. She said "I suppose you
are one of those people from the mainland who come here and
expect to be able to buy an icecream after 6:00pm".

-- 
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Victoria University                   |
P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |
From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Oath of allegiance to the Queen
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:17:54 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

Sorry to raise this topic again, but you might be interested to hear
of a private member's bill to require people becoming naturalized as
UK citizens to swear such an oath.  The motion to consider the bill
(yesterday) failed by 71 votes in the House of Commons, despite the
invocation of such examples as Australia and the US (Pledge of Allegiance).

Ross
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: aus.tv,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Good Morning Australia
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:48:23 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell) writes:

>axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>>Fast Forward		sucks
>	You would have thought 'The Comedy Company' would have been a chilling
>enough lesson of what can happen if you outstay your welcome.

If it was half the length it would be perfect. The drag queens were as
good as anything they've done, and Bronwyn Bishop was good, even if
they couldn't think up a punchline. 

-ricko
From: luisito@wpi.WPI.EDU (Luis-Carlos Campo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Inquiry on Job Opportunities for Engineers in Australia
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:48:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


We are two international students (Italy and Spain) studying in the U.S.
We are finishing our Masters in Electrical and Mechanical Engineering and
were wondering if there are any job opportunities in Australia. Unfortunately
the Australian embassy was not able to provide us with too much information 
regarding the necessary Visa status or any company's address that is involved
in the engineering field.
If anybody has any information regarding these subjects or other related topics such as economic situation, salaries, etc. please contact us at :

luisito@wpi.wpi.edu
or
andreoni@wpi.wpi.edu

           Thanks in advance, 
				Luis and Marco


Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: theo@cs.ruu.nl (Theo Huibers)
Subject: Dog?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:36:59 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: Dog

Hello,

I just want some information about Australia:

  I have a nice dog (an Old English Sheepdog). When I go to 
  Australia I want to take the dog with me (she always follows me...).
  What are the procedures over there??
  Especially about duration of quarantine.
 
Any information will be appreciated:

Theo Huibers, Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University   
P.O. Box 80.089,  3508 TB  Utrecht, The Netherlands          
Telephone: +31-30-536761              Email: theo@cs.ruu.nl                  


  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)
Subject: UK-=>Australia Power Supply
Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:02:37 GMT

Hi Everyone, I am new tho this news group and was wondering
if anyone out there could answer a few questions regarding
Australia.

(1) .. Can anyone tell me if Hi-Fi / computer equipment purchased
       in the UK will work in Australia, And what is the native
       power supply 240v?

Thanks Gary.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:36:58 GMT


(1)	Hire car. things to do within a mornings drive of Hobart are many
	and varied. Pt Arthur Penal Colony, parks, Poetina power station.

(2)	Go up Mt Wellington. Even if its cloudy its fun, and the view is fab.

(3)     Visit the Cat factory up the river by Cat. Huge startrek-
	like hulks of polished steel, tatty tea with synth music entertainment.

(4)	Doyles is probably too expensive for what you get these days, but its
	still good seafood. Do they have two restaurants, one nicer?

(5)	Visit Salamanca markets.  National trust listed streetscape equal
	to any in Australia. pretty groovy shopping for healing crystal tat
	and other neo-hippy ephemera. Good food.

(6)	Did I say Poetina power station? do it! a 2 mile long tunnel into
	the hillside and then a machinehall full of power gen kit. Bolts
	the size of a dinnerplate, valve doors beaten to a pulp by grit in
	the water, air-forced cooling down hollow aluminium power cables,
	and a 1950's vintage control panel complete with fake VDU screens
	consisting of brown perspex panels hiding flashing lights. 

	Worth it.

(7)	The Maritime museum is small but pleasant. Ditto the Gallery and Museum.

(8)	Day trip to Richmond.

(9)	Day trip to Queenstown.

(10)	Overnighter to Franklin river for a cruise. If you're really lucky
	you get to share the boat with 30 geriatrics discussing their 
	packed lunches and the nice busdriver. 

I joined the tasmanian national trust. Admittedly most of the places I
visited were up north of the island, but It was still worth it. If into
old buildings, the entry savings should justify it.

CSIRO/Antartic HQ is just off Salamanca markets. If you're lucky Aurora
Australis is in town, floating hulk of bright fluoro orange containership.

I just imagined I was in a Scots/Cornish fishing village collided with
a provincial town like Halifax or Kirkauldy and it all gelled. You scale
back your expectations and just mellow back into the Athmosphere. Huge
homesickness cure for expats missing the fug of blighty...

-George
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                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
From: nicholj@jaffna.berkeley.edu (Nicholas James)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Words of "Solidarity Forever"
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:20:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jaffna.berkeley.edu

  Chorus: Solidarity forever,
	  Solidarity forever,
	  Solidarity forever,
	  And the union makes us strong!

  Does anyone (besides Bob Hawke) know the verses of this? 
Please send them to nicholj@math.berkeley.edu or post them
if you think others are interested.  I'd be glad to get
other union songs too.

Thanks,
Nick James
member of (but not speaking for)
Association of Graduate Student Employees
District 65, United Auto Workers            ON STRIKE!
From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: International Software Jobs
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:31:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo

Isn't there some sort of legal action or systems admin for USENET
who can stop this guy from advertising on the net like this??  He and
the ICPA have had numerous warnings and this is the 3rd such post to
this network in recent weeks.  Tony simply doesn't get the picture.

--Reno

In article <Bxo8p1.2D5@iat.holonet.net> icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez) writes:
>	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
>supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
>
>International Computer Professional Association
>San Francisco, CA 94114
>USA
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Millikan)
Subject: Re: Australian Land Laws
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:11:48 GMT

-- 
*--*
Tim Millikan
yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Oath of allegiance to the Queen
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:19:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au

4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:


>It is too bad that both our countries are afflicted with that peculiar
>association with the British Empire and the monarchy. Canada has its own
>series of "bad memories" (not exclusively French Canadian) concerning
>the British connection, and I was surprised when your current prime
>minister spoke in parliament about how Australians were screwed by the 
>Brits in two world wars (and other ravings).

	Don't be surprised by anything he says.


--
		hoconnel@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au
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