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From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: The Great 1993 $150 Challenge
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:29:55 ACST
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
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In article <102939.277.9184@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Dion_Murphy@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dion Murphy) writes:

For those who are interested (Aryeh perhaps?) this sounds like a classic case
of pyramid selling.

You provide $150 plus 2 or 3 people in the rank below you who also pay.  The
money goes to the guy at the top who then leaves the pyramid which splits into
two organisations, each recruiting members.  Every time someone joins (with the
prerequisite number of "underlings") the person at the top leaves with all the
cash and the former second tier now becomes the top tier and they collect the
money etc etc etc.  This progresses well until you can't find any suckers who
enter at the bottom and the whole thing collapses, leaving you significantly
out of pocket.

Note that this in no way resembles any legal mlm because 
1) no products are involved
2) you are required to sign up lower levels, in no legal mlm is this a
   prerequisite to earning money
3) there is a promise of get rich quick, which no respectable mlm offers. 

regs

Rob

	 
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:17:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.194230.18424@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson) writes:
>How & where can I buy or acquired names & addresses of people of a
>certain group..(example: all names&address of
>Doctors,Christians,etc...)
>
>
   Look in your Yellow Pages under "Mailing Lists."  My book has a
whole column of places that sell mailing lists.

Good luck, Dan
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Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Where to buy bigmOuth voicemail card
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:01 GMT

This is embarassing, but I can't find a previously recommended source for
Talking Technologies bigmOuth voicemail card for the pc.  I know I can buy
it direct from them but that's at full retail and I know it's available from
"somewhere" for $50 less plus free shipping.

If anybody knows where to buy this thing from, please advise.  Thanks!
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: The Great 1993 $150 Challenge
From: Dion_Murphy@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dion Murphy)
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:04:37 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Before you embark apon this scheme I would suggest you define or identify 
the terms and conditions a little more clearly.
Has the money been lent to you or have you been asked to hold it or 
have you been asked to invest it for your friend.
Whichever answer you give will immediately give rise to a whole series 
of legal problems particularly in N.Z. where the laws on these matters 
are well developed and have been well tested over time.
If the money has been lent or you are asked to hold it and you invest 
it and lose it then you are still required to account for it at the 
end of the period.
As far as keeping the profits is concerned that is off as well. The 
most famous case of this was when a seaman died at sea (yonks ago) and 
the crew sold off his posessions in the normal way. The Captain had 
the chance to invest the money and did so. He was later challenged in 
court and had to hand over the profits...all of them. as well as the 
original capital.
A little like tails you friend wins and heads you lose.
If as I suspect, you are in fact interested in suggestions on how to 
invest money and make a quick buck, then other than fleas markets, $100.00 
is too small an amount to be able to invest, recover and pay the charges 
while still making a worthwhile, tax paid profit.
Fast turnover of eagerly sought item which only you have access to is 
probably the best bet. Alternatively, put an ad in the local papers 
saying something along the lines of how to make $2,000 in six weeks 
with minimal outlay. Send ten dollars to:(your adress)
Post them back a xerox copy of what I have just told them and keep all 
the $10.00's they send you.
Regards,
From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Income Builders International?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:09:30 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcgf.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Has anybody ever heard of Income Builders International, run by someone
named Bernard Dohrmann?  My in-laws were just pitced for a 4-day seminar 
called the "Free Enterprise Forum", and are very excited about it, but 
my wife and I are VERY suspicious.

The idea of this thing is to get people with business ideas together with 
people with venture capital, and do some serious networking.  Apparently
their dentist turned them onto it; he had an idea, went to the seminar
in December, got financing, and his product is preparing to enter market NOW.
They've heard of people getting $1/4-1/2 million.

According to the literature, they do 4 days of "team playing".  (?)
It focuses on decision-making "using the latest technology just released 
by the military 2 years ago."  They say they are "announcing it to the 
Fortune 500 companies."

This all sounds a little suspect, but what really sets my alarms ringing
is the cost:  $4000 for the first person, $2750 for the spouse, and NO
money-back guarantee.  This seems extreme.

My in-laws have been struggling to get a product off the ground for
a while now (several products related to portable/automated stoplights)
and could definitely use a cash infusion.  But they're also virtually
broke, and the idea of them dropping $7000 to go to some unknown seminar
makes me VERY nervous.  I would unquestionably tell them to hold onto
their wallets and run, if it wasn't for the dentist's recommendation.
As far as I know the dentist is getting no cut for this.

The company is based in Madison, Alabama.  I've already told my wife
to try calling the BBB there.  But in case that doesn't turn up anything
we thought we'd check the collective experience of the net.  Help!

Thanks,
Gary
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: Sell Your Software Services Abroad
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:45:36 GMT

Do you have a software product or consulting service that you would like
to sell abroad? If so, the International Computer Professional Association
can help you. Our experience selling to firms overseas can help you
take advantage of the big profits available in Europe, Asia, Australia,
and Latin and South America. We specialize in marketing products for
small firms just starting to enter the overseas market. Call us and
lets talk about  how to make your firm international!

Tony Rodriguez
Director
International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
Tel 415 252-7467
Fax 415 252-5769

email icpa@holonet.net
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 17:29:39 -0500 
From: Bruce Kerr <bk22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Patents

I am trying to find out if the game Whirlyball is patented. the name has
a copyright to it and the company is selling the rights to the game.
Does this mean that the game itself is patented? I need some information
on how to do a patent search by myself. Does anyone know where I should
begin?

 

Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: drw@euler.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: Starting a Bank
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:58:07 GMT

In article <4923@wet.UUCP> dennism@wet.UUCP (Dennis Michael McNamara) writes:
   Seems like the time is right for a "debit card", where a customer could
   pay me just by giving me his card number.

   Seems like on-line-transaction-processing is advanced enought now to
   handle this. Want to make **A LOT** of money?

Technically, this is simple.  The basic problems are:

- People don't like debit cards, since there is no float -- one might
as well pay by check or cash.  With the advent of the ATM, cash is
nearly as convenient as a debit card.

- The transaction costs of debit cards aren't small.  Of course, there
is no credit risk, but there is still advertising, training, the
computer system itself, and the cost of stolen cards.  Who's going to
pay these costs?  If it's the customers, they will avoid them.  If
it's the merchant, only merchants with large transactions or
reasonably high overhead will sign up -- roughtly, those who now take
credit cards.

Debit cards have been offered by various banks, but as far as I know,
they've never really caught on anywhere in the U.S.  (Although they've
become popular in France, I gather.)

Dale
From: bgarnett@harley-d.East.Sun.COM (Bob Garnett - Sun SSE - Cary NC)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Making $68,000 with a $94 investment
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:02:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bgarnett@harley-d.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: harley-d.east.sun.com

Let's hear it !!
From: BXX1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Name and address buyers
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:40:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Does anyone knows the company names which buy names and addresses?. One of my f
riends is interested in it.
Please reply by E-Mail.
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: te_ind01@oswego.Oswego.edu (David Crump)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: RE: Getting a book published?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:47:47 GMT
Reply-To: te_ind01@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: te_ind01@gidney.oswego.edu


	I suggest trying the Writer's Market for 1993. It is
available at any bookstores for about $30, or go to your local
library and use one for free! It contains EVERYTHING you need
to know to sell screenplays, reference books, or greeting cards.

Bon courage,

David Crump
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson)
Subject: Re: NEW AD
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:11:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.125651.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Bill Garland) writes:
>In article <2041.347.uupcb@brent.uucp>, rui.ribeiro@brent.uucp (Rui Ribeiro)  writes:
>> My wife just got her business permit.  I'd like to run our ad by you.
>> Let me know what you think.
>> 
>> *********** Shira - Amazing Psychic **************
>> Now you can know what 1993 has in store for you.
>> Romance, Wealth, New Opportunities.
>> Your 6 Month Forecast for only $25.00
>...
>> We welcome all comments.
>
>Well, if you really want my opinion, I think this is a total crock of
>shit, and if you actually plan to make money by defrauding people in this
>manner, you will end up poorer for it. This type of mystical nonsense has
>no place anywhere. On the other hand, you should have known that.
>Why do you need to post this to ask opinions? Could you not have
>simply asked your wife?
>
>> PS - If you'd like your own forecast, please feel free to use the ad.
>
>This confirms what I thought when I first saw this - you are a phoney.
>
>You did not post this to get honest opinions, you posted it to get
>business. This is an ad, not a request to comment on an ad. While I
>am not as opposed to advertising on the internet as many people are,
>and I think readers should be allowed to engage in commerce or trade,
>I believe they should have honest products and services to exchange.
>You do not create any values with this crap, you merely seek to steal
>from your would be customers.
>

Bill, you are right.  Most of us were being tricked by this clever ploy. 
This innocent sounding request for advice is just a sneaky way to target 
an ideal group of potential Psychic Forecast customers here at 
misc.entrepeneurs.


ajackson@ernie.princeton.edu



Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: "Gary A. Woodward" <p00140@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Patents
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:10:10 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:39 -0500
>FROM:   Bruce Kerr <bk22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>
>I am trying to find out if the game Whirlyball is patented. the name has
>a copyright to it and the company is selling the rights to the game.
>Does this mean that the game itself is patented? I need some information
>on how to do a patent search by myself. Does anyone know where I should
>begin?
>
> 
>



You have a Patent Depository Library @ The Carnegie Library @ 
412.622.3138.  Start there to see if they have Trade mark, etc.

Gary

Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: pkrause@triton.unm.edu (Paul Krause CIRT)
Subject: Re: The Great 1993 $150 Challenge
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 15:07:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <lynx.03rw@surrey.amigans.gen.nz> lynx@surrey.amigans.gen.nz (Lynsey Gedye) writes:
>  The scenario:
>    A friend of mine, famous for his ability to handle money, has
>    asked me to baby sit $150 for him 'til December.  I decided I
           text deleted>
>  The challenge:
>    OK, net.gurus, what's your advice?  I figure this is a good 
>    exercise to look at with the steady flow of students asking
>    pretty much the same "how can I make some money" question.
                    text deleted>
>  So, my fellow entrepreneurs, bankers, lurkers, smirkers, workers,
>  jerkers, wizards and lounge lizards...  let's have your proposals - 
>
>  What can you do locally to double your money in ten months?

1.  Visit your local used books stores and see what kind of material they
    stock.  Non fiction hardbacks will probably be the most desirable that
    are easy for a novice to identify.

2.  Take the $150 to the next "Friends of the Library" book sale and buy
    books for less than a dollar.

3.  Take the books to two or three used book stores and sell them.  You 
    should be able to sell a least half of what you bought for twice what
    you paid for all of them.  

Paul

Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs,biz.misc
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: Article on RDBMS for an antiques dealer
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:06:57 GMT

The current issue of the national Maine Antiques Digest
has a very informative article on how to use an RDBMS to
run an antiques business.  If anyone would like a
a copy of the article, please send me your US mail
address.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: c6y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Julien Rene Sellgren)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Home Mailing Business
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:21:26 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1993Jan4.193043.16166@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson) writes:
>Can anybody suggest of a good home mailing type business...
>
>Legal and proven only........
>

I'm not sure if it's a scam or not, but I read about a home
mail order buisiness a Small Business Opportunities magazine.

You can write to them for a free information package:

Mail Order Associates, Inc. Dept. 277
120 Chestnut Ridge Rd.
Montvale, New Jersey 07645

Let me know if you make any money!!!

-Julien

Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Subject: Re: information brokering
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:06:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.1401.3652@channel1> "mike halperin" <mike.halperin@channel1.com> writes:
>>  I know that the subject of information brokering has come up before, but
>>  I seem to have caught the tail end of the last round of discussions.  I
>>  was wondering if anyone archived the articles about Information Brokering
>>  and would take the time to mail them to me.  I'd appreciate it.
>
>I'm interested in the same!  Thanks.
>

Also check out the book "Infopreneurs".  I don't have the specifics
on the author or publisher, I can get it if interested.
It details about 100 different information brokers in different fields
from medical, construction, private, real estate, etc...

Kawika 
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ken@jazz.concert.net (Ken Whitfield)
Subject: Medical Claims Processing
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:34:10 GMT


I'm seeking information on Medical Claims Processing. 
Has anyone in netland or know of any individuals who are actually
making money processing medical claims? All info is welcomed.

Thanks ...
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: ken@jazz.concert.net (Ken Whitfield)
Subject: Shipping & Handling
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:29:46 GMT

How does one formulate a fair (legal) charge for handling? The shipping charge
is a given from the Post Office. 
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: dhoward@novell.com (Dirk W. Howard)
Subject: Re: Where to buy bigmOuth voicemail card
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:22:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.181601.26371@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
>Subject: Where to buy bigmOuth voicemail card
>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:16:01 GMT
>This is embarassing, but I can't find a previously recommended source for
>Talking Technologies bigmOuth voicemail card for the pc.  I know I can buy
>it direct from them but that's at full retail and I know it's available from
>"somewhere" for $50 less plus free shipping.
>
>If anybody knows where to buy this thing from, please advise.  Thanks!
>---
>
>___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
>_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
>________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
>____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
>
>


I have a Home Automation Laboratories (HAL) catalog that has it listed for 
$269.00.  Shipping on it runs $6.95.  HAL can be reached at

Home Automation Laboratories
5500 Highlands Pkwy, Suite 450
Smyrna, GA  30082

Orders 1-800-HOME-LAB
FAX    1-404-438-2835

Catalog Requests 1-800-YEL-4HAL (Order desk 9am-5:30pm EST, Mon-Fri)
Customer Service and Technical Assistance  1-404-319-6000

HAL Online BBS	1-404-319-6227  (8-N-1) up to 14,400 bps
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dirk W. Howard              These are my personal opinions.  No one else 
Novell Technical Support    in their right mind would claim them.
dhoward@novell.com
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Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: chrisg@teal.csn.org (Christian Gibbons)
Subject: Business information sources on Internet
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:57:58 GMT

I am a librarian with the economic development department in Littleton,
Colorado, and we provide Littleton businesses with information utilizing a
variety of print and online resources.  We recently subscibed to the
Internet, and I am interested in locating the best business information
sources available on Internet.  I am familiar with Clarinet, and learning
about Gopher, WAIS, and the Worldwide Web. Any additional suggestions
would be appreciated. Thank you.
From: tjordan@sgi.com (Ted Jordan)
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Mail order Visa?
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:54:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.215158.23176@kodak.kodak.com> loewenth@neural.Kodak.COM (Ken Loewenthal) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.043345.22638@vpnet.chi.il.us>, alpha@vpnet.chi.il.us (Randy Sales) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know how to locate a Visa/Mastercard processor which will handle
>>,process, merchant transactions taken over the phone?  Local banks will only
>>process charges done face to face.
>>
>>
>The Nov./Dec. 1992 issue of Midnight Engineering (Vol. 3, Num. 6) has an
>interesting article entitled "Credit Card Processing", on page 69-72. 
>This article discusses the necessary steps to acquire the processing 
>equipment and get around the objections of local banks. There are 
>several Independent Sales Organizations (ISO) that process credit card transactions that allow mail order sales. The following are a two suggestions:
>
>Merchants Bankcard Network
>25044 Peachland Ave. Suite 207
>Newhall, CA 91321
>800-748-6263
>
>United States Bankcard Associates
>2800 Camino Dos Rio #102
>Newbury Park, CA 91320
>805-375-2877	
>

My experience has been that one will pay much to such organizations for a
mail order Visa approval (over $200 per month).  If you hear good things 
about these companies pricewise, please post your results to the net.

tj



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email: tjordan@sgi.com                         phone: 313-478-5446
internal ms: mr225                             fax: 313-478-3181
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Where to buy bigmOuth voicemail card
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:32:04 GMT

Thanks to Kawika Ohmukini for the address of Central Computer Products.
$199 for a bigmOuth board is much more like it.  :)

Referenence your other comments, the application that I have is "real" enough
to me.  :)   I don't really want it for voicemail, but rather for automated
order taking and information services on a single business line.  From the
specs, it appears that the bigmOuth will do nicely.  We'll see.

The Voice Express board you recommended looks great but to be honest, $999
for a starting price is a little steep for my business just yet.

Thanks to all who replied,
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Looking for a way to obtain a list of expired patents
From: smp@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:51:22 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center

	Is a list of expired patents (due to the lapse of some specified time)
maintained somewhere for public access with/without a fee?

	All comments and suggestions are highly appreciated

	Thanks in advance

	Shailesh

-- 
Shailesh Potnis, Associate	|Concurrent Engineering Research
Member of Technical Staff	|Center, West Virginia University