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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
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Subject: Re: BOXSCORE: phi04bos05.13nov92
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:27:14 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.230043.2257@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks) writes:
> phi 126, bos 115   13nov92
> 
> phi ( 1- 3)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff 
> weatherspoon,clar 22   5   8   0  0   3  4   1  3   2  4  2  1  0  0  0  0   
>*gilliam,armon     24   8  12   0  0   6  7   2  5   5  5  0  2  2  0  0  0   
>*lang,andrew       33   1   6   0  0   0  0   1  8   2  3  2  0  2  0  0  0  
>*hornacek,jeff     40  12  18   3  3  12 12   0  5   9  2  2  0  0  0  0  0   
> hawkins,hersey    35   6  10   0  0   4  4   1  3   2  1  1  2  0  0  0  0   
>*perry,tim         15   3   7   0  0   2  2   0  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  
> anderson,ron      24   4   8   0  0   0  0   1  5   1  1  0  2  0  0  0  0   
>*grant,greg        30   5  11   0  0   2  3   2  2  11  1  1  0  0  0  0  0   
> shackleford,charl 17   3   3   0  0   0  0   2  4   1  1  0  2  0  0  0  0    

Have the * players above ever been on the court at the same time for the
Sixers yet?  I believe they were all Suns at one point in the 1989-90 season.

Incidentally, what are the reactions in Philly to the Barkley trade so far?
Hornacek's not a true point guard, so who's bringing the ball up?
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: A Basic Question
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:45:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.222211.21075@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvusc (Mark Laventhal ) writes:

>The Bullets were originally in Baltimore, and the name "Baltimore Bullets"
>has alliteration.  (Of course, so does "Los Angeles Lakers" and that was
>purely by circumstance, since the Lakers were named in Minneapolis.)

     Alliteration also works for the Seattle Supersonics, who surely
get their name from the city's major employer -- the Boeing Company
(which actually was designing a passenger SST in the late 60s).
     There was a sort of garage rock group in Seattle called "The
Sonics" in the mid-60s -- they actually predate the NBA team.  Sort
of prehistoric predecessors to Seattle-area grunge groups like Nirvana,
etc.  Maybe they should've copyrighted their band name.  Hmm, and then
there's Sonic Youth...kind of getting into the wrong newsgroup here...
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Suns (East Version)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:02:46 GMT

weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver) writes:
>>phi ( 1- 3)      min  
>>weatherspoon,clar 22  
>>gilliam,armon     24  ***Ex-Sun #1
>>lang,andrew       33  ***Ex-Sun #2
>>hornacek,jeff     40  ***Ex-Sun #3
>>hawkins,hersey    35   
>>perry,tim         15  ***Ex-Sun #4
>>anderson,ron      24   
>>grant,greg        30  ***Ex-Sun #5
>>shackleford,charl 17  

>Five of the nine players seeing court time. 

>Does any other team have this many players from
>one different organization on their roster?

	You're making this sound like what baseball does every year during
	the playoffs -- talk about the "Ex-Cub" factor.  Who knows?
	Perhaps it will be the "Ex-Sun" factor in the NBA.

	Jazzy J

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:44:45 GMT

<U58582@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Jimmy Jackson is still holding and haven't signed.
>He was offerred some 6 mil signing fee and about 1.5 mil a year
>but he's looking for more of the salary I think.

	The Mavs have offered JJ a contract for 4 years, averaging about
	2.5 mil/year, and that 6 million signing bonus.  JJ's agent is
	looking for both more $ and more years -- wanting 6 years and
	an average of 3.5/year.  They're worlds apart, and right now, it
	doesn't look good.

	Jazzy J
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: ACC ROOKIES IN NBA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:35:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.151624.28582@wam.umd.edu>, emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes:
|> It looks as though besides the Shaq, the two most productive rookies  
|> elsewhere have come from the ACC.  Walt Williams is doing very well  
|> although he doesn't start.  I expect him to be a starter soon.  Gugliotta  
|> is doing very well with the bullets also.  They have both helped their  
|> teams greatly.  I expect to see one of these teams with the last playoff  
|> slot and one back in the Lottery

Walt Williams and Gugliotta are doing very well, but haven't you forgotten
another ACC rookie, Christian Laettner?  Also, Bryant Stith was doing
pretty well before he got hurt and Hubert Davis has had some good games.
Of course, Jon Barry is still unsigned.

Saying the two most productive rookies other than Shaq are from the ACC
is a bit of stretch.  What about Alonzo Mourning from the Big East?

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:36:48 GMT

In article <23NOV199214363142@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov23.194930.11303@midway.uchicago.edu>, hh15@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>> 
>>1) Has any player in the NBA history EVER had a quadruple double?  I
>>mean double digits in any four of the following categories: points,
>>rebounds, steals, assists, blocks (and maybe turnover? :) 
>
>I know Alvin Robertson had one when he was with San Antonio and Mark Eaton
>came within a block of having one once.

     Didn't Hakeem get one a couple of years ago?  Also, when the subject
became hot, NBA statisticians went back to the databanks and I think
discovered that Nate Thurmond got the first one in (recorded) history,
with points, rebounds, assists, and blocks.
     Wilt probably got a bunch, but statistics on blocks weren't kept
in his day.  
     By the way, apparently in last year's "Basketball Abstract", Dave
Heeren estimated the number of blocks and offensive and defenseive rebounds
made by players in the 50s and 60s, in particular Wilt and Bill Russell.
Did anybody read that book?  
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix sears Supersonics, ends the 82-0 dream
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:54:08 GMT

tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
> I think the story of this game was the 16 to 1 foul shot differential in
> the first quarter.  Could have been home cookin, as I listened on the
> radio I obviously have no true idea.

     Hmmm.  I attended the game, but didn't notice
too much home cookin.  Of course, I'm a Suns fan.

     One thing I did think was very unusual was
about three or four lane violations called on the
Suns, and at least one on the Sonics.  That's
probably more than I've seen in a normal NBA season.
Is this a new trend, or just a weird night?

     My first bball game in the new America West
Arena.  I'd already been there before, but not for
basketball.  Very nice sightlines.  We sat in the
seventh row of the upper deck, right on the foul
line.  $27 ticket.

     As someone else said, they did copy the Bulls'
darkened arena bit.  I guess you can hardly blame
them, since they have all these neat new lights effects
equipment that only works in the dark, so I suppose
they might as well use it.

     Not only beer, but cocktails!  And they actually
sell beer in the stands.  There's a very nice bar,
but you can't get in unless you have a suite or
else $65 "club" seats.

     One odd observation: there is quite a "pit"
effect when all 19,000+ fans are looking down
on the court and screaming.  Trouble is, the seats
are so darn comfortable and it is so easy to see,
that everyone sort of settles in and you wind up
with almost less intensity than the old Coliseum
(the Madhouse on McDowell).  Often during lulls
in the game, I felt more like I was sitting in
an operating room observatory instead of The Pit
in Albuquerque.

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From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
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Subject: Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:50:23 -0600
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In article <1992Nov19.110142.10354@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>Even Charles Barkley would be excused for thinking that there was racism
>involved. Guess it was "cute" to put "one of the world's 50 most beautiful
>people" [Laettner according to PEOPLE(?) Magazine] on the team....
>Shaq was the first player chosen in the draft and thus deserved to
>go to the Olympics.
>
>MARCU$

Well, as I remember, Laettner wasn't actually chosen because he looked better than 
O'Neal.  When asked in previous years to play on the US Pan-Am teams, O'Neal
rejected USA Basketball's offer, and had no previous international basketball
experience.  He also hadn't won even a single NCAA Championship.  I am sure
these factors were considered in the choice of Laettner over O'Neal.

And the professional draft was not conducted before the "Dream Team" was chosen,
remember?

Prabu

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Rodney McCray - Overrated??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:48:33 GMT

pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:
>During the off-season, I was excited to hear that the Bulls got
>McCray, giving up an untested rookie in return. I did not know much about
>McCray but he was hyped up to be the perfect backup to Jordan and/or
>Pippen. Well let the truth be known: This guy sucks humongous rookie dick(pardon
>my language). In the 10 games so far, this guy's physical play makes Brad
>Sellers look like Karl Malone. I thought he was going to backup Pippen but
>his ball-handling skills are relatively weak and therefore he doesn't fit
>well as a backup to Pippen or in the Bull's offensive scheme. Therefore Pippen and Jordan are stilling logging lots of minutes. I wouldn't mind if this guy could
>put up some points but alas his offense sucks. He doesn't have good range on his
>shot and is too soft to really play inside. The only points I've seen him score
>were to put in a few weak layups from a good pass from another team member.
>Personally, I'm beginning to wonder if Byron Houston could have fit better
>into the Bulls' complicated offensive schemes. Comments?

	Well, for one, it is the early season, and McCray still has yet to
	get a full grasp of the Bulls system.  Don't think Houston would
	have don any better.  From what I've seen of him, he really hasn't
	gotten the playing time to really develop any rhythm.  Remember, he
	was a starter for the most part in Dallas, and thru most of his
	career, so it's going to take some time for him to adjust coming
	off of the bench.  His shot is off at the moment, due to his
	tentative nature on offense.  However, if U look at it -- he's taking
	Cliff Levingston's place, so besides motivating the team, you're
	not losing much else.  Besides, I would expect him to gel in more
	as the season progresses.

	Jazzy J

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From: jmarin@hobbes (Jose A. Marin)
Subject: Re: Shaq is not going to be star until...
Reply-To: jmarin@hobbes
Organization: NASA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:13:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.200946.20721@alw.nih.gov>  
jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle) writes:
> Who was that poor Hornets player that was nearly killed Tues night  
anyway?

It was J.R. Reid
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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:02:37 GMT

In <1992Nov19.110142.10354@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>super egos. Shaq was the first player chosen in the draft and thus deserved to
>go to the Olympics.

Was the draft held before or after the selection of Laettner to the Olympic
team? Just curious. Anyway, perhaps the selection over Shaq was because there
were already two centers (both pros) selected?
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: SIXERS WILL GO 78-4 AND WINN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.210729.13435@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> tmurray@lonestar.utsa.edu (Terrence M. Murray) writes:
>
>AND I DO .....BARKLEY IS TODAY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA AS HE SHOWED IN
>THE OLYMPICS AND WILL SHOW THIS SEASON WHEN HE WINS THE MVP AWARD AND
>MR.WITHERSPOON WILL WIN ROOKIE OF THE YEAR ANYWAY EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING
>ABOUT BASKETBALL KNOWS IT TAKES A WHILE FOR A ALMOST BRAND NEW TEAM TO GEL
>TOGETHER AND KICK ASS .....WELL 5 GAMES IS ENOUGH FOR THE SIXERS AND FROM NOW
>ON THEY WILL KICK ASS ESPECIALLY THE SAN ANTONIO SPUDS ....WELL SEE????

Does he know that Barkley's in Phoenix?

Scott
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
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Subject: Re: A.J. English
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:20:25 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.192128.19577@coe.montana.edu>, icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
> 
> A.J. English, upon retiring, got kicked upstairs to the management end of the 
> Denver Nuggets.  He is working in the front office, and has been since the 
> beginning of the season...
> 
> Anyone else!!!?


	Sure, I'll give it a try. The request was about A.J. (aka Albert) English,
the 6' 5" guard who was the Bullets' 1990 2nd round draft pick out of Virginia
Union, NOT Alex English!

	A.J. is in Europe....

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Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 19:50:28 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: Who is Tom Gugliotta (Bullets)
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Rookie, 1st round pick.   You better know who he is the amount he gets paid.
From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix sears Supersonics, ends the 82-0 dream
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:56:30 GMT

>Halftime Impressions: The Suns were pretty much in control.  For some 
>reason the Sonics were getting whistled a lot more than the Suns: 
>could've been home cooking, could've been simple ineptness.  McKey led 
>Seattle in scoring, and I think Barkley led for the Suns.

I think the story of this game was the 16 to 1 foul shot differential in
the first quarter.  Could have been home cookin, as I listened on the
radio I obviously have no true idea.  But Phoenix led by 10 at the end of
one and the game simply oscillated from there on out.  Seattle might have
been able to finish off one of their runs (they got within 1 in the 2nd
and within 3 in the 4th) if they hadn't been dealing with that foul
trouble from the first period.  To make matters worse Kemp had 2
offensive fouls called in the first half, Benjamin didn't suit up at
all, and Ricky had to sit the whole 2nd half.  It would have even helped
if Rich King had been available (he would likely have got more minutes
at 4 or 5 then did Steve Sheffler).

I was impressed that Seattle stayed in it despite having almost nothing
go their way (how often does Majerle can 35 footers at the buzzer??).
Too many turnovers, too many fouls, and too many missed foul shots in
crunch time and still the Sonics made it a game in crunch time.

>As I said before, Portland is the only team I fear in the West.

I can only hope the Phoenix players feel this way.  But obviously they
don't.

Peter B
From: rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (Dale Harris)
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Subject: Re: Who are the worst players in nba?
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:31:28 GMT
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In article <Bxzo62.n50@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff) writes:
>	Actually, the salary cap works only if the player is on the roster.
>Except for the first year after the player leaves, in which they get to use
>half of the salary to sign another player to fill the spot.  So each year
>after that, even if they are paying guaranteed money, it doesn't count against
>the cap.  Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing the kind of monster contracts
>some of the players are getting.  Something very interesting to note is that
>the Lakers will be able to sign a free agent for around $3.5 million even
>though they are way over the cap because of Magic's renewed deal.  Without
>restructuring the deal, they would only have had $1.5 million.  I can't
>remember exactly the figures, but these are close enough.
>

I'll have to beg to disagree, the 2 mil is counting for the cap for the Kings
then reason that the Lakers were able to sign Magic for such a high price
is a loop hole in the rules.  I am getting my information from a fairly
reliable source (I watch interviews with the General Manager of the Kings,
Jerry Reynolds and I listen to the Sacramento radio sports shows on a semi
regular basis, they all say the same thing, so I figure it is true)



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Subject: Re: PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS WILL GO 82-0 and Choke in the play-offs!
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1992Nov19.234940.8858@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> kam@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:
>
>Bohdan Tashchuk writes:
>
>[much criticism of Adelman deleted...]
>
>|> I think the Blazers need a new head coach. This might not be
>necessary if the
>|> team had a Magic Johnson type "leader" who could inspire and discipline the
>|> other players. But no player has stepped up into that job. Instead,
>we've got
>|> Drexler making himself "captain" just so he can have more liberty to
>whine at
>|> the refs about calls he doesn't like.
>|> 
>|> Ok, rabid Blazer fanatics. You've been baited. Flame away.
>
>Well, I am a RABID Blazer fan, and I couldn't agree more.  I literally
>echoed much of what you said in your post last year while watching the
>payoffs and finals.  If this group had a real coach, they'd be
>awesome.  All they can muster with Adelman is greatness.
>
>Keith Marchington

Well, somebody has to defend Adelman...  Adelman isn't as bad of a coach as
(most) everyone thinks.  The reason Portand has been able to go so far in
the playoffs and regular season, is because Adelman lets his team PLAY.  He
isn't a strict disciplinarian and that's been the reason that Drexler
(among others) has been let loose and has been able to step up his true
playing ability.  The players like Adelman, and he likes the players, and
that's something not every team in the NBA has the luxury of having.  I
in no way think Adelman's a great coach, but you have to give him credit
for letting loose the potential of this great team...  He's also only
been coaching there for 3 years, and he should get better with more
experience...

Justin.
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From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Wolves Whispers
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:13:06 GMT

Now that Detroit has suspended Dennis Rodman, how long will it take 'Trader
Jack' to bring one of his last 'bad boys' with him to Minnesota?

How about Rodman for Spencer and West?  This would give Piston player
personnel director Billy McKinney (formerly with Minnesota) the last 
Timberwolves that he had anything to do with acquiring to Detroit and give
McClosky four former Pistons.

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