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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:10:19 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

da roof sez:
>No, the best videos are ones which try to capture the mood
>of the music and translate that to images, not ones which
>try to recreate the painfully simplistic story line in a
>painfully simplistic way.

i didn't say that a plot or a storyline were the *only* criterion
to qualify a song for videodom. i'm just objecting to pointless videos
that have nothing to do with the song itself (like, say, bon jovi's
"living on a prayer"). i want the video to reflect the song somehow,
whether it be by plot (say, for example, KaTe bush's "cloudbusting")
or by mood (peter gabriel's "shock the monkey") or by images (r.e.m.'s
"man on the moon").

of course, mood is a bit all-encompassing, isn't it? one could argue
that the new kids' videos - which are basically vapid entertainment -
reflect the mood of their music fairly well.

wojer wabbit (?)
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:40:45 EST
From:         The Tape Dude <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      So far, so good...

So far, these are the people that have sent me their song selections for
the compilation tape:

MHB@MITVMA                               Michael Bloom
ST402711@BROWNVM.brown.edu               Tim Johnson
U33963.UICVM.UIC.EDU                     Renato B.
skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU        Sonia Kovitz
OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA                        Marco Olivotto
Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU           Adam Levin
RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM            Bob Turnbull
0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM                   Gary Hanley
rowhite@wrds01.robins.af.mil             Ron White
gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL           (me)
EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU                    Michael Della Bitta

I have been told by the following people that their selections will be
sent shortly:

EAC@ICF.HRB.COM                          Eileen
HEROY@LSUVM                              Paul Heroy
mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU             Marsha Ferziger

These people told me they would participate, but I haven't seen anything
from them yet:

PRESTON@MOREKYPR                         Jeff Preston
SPGDAM@UCCVMA                            David Malbuff

That leaves many more, including most of the old-timers:

watson@HG.ULETH.CA                       CAROL WATSON
MCINTYRE@MSUPA                           john mcintyre
CV01@SWTEXAS                             Charles M. Vance
TZJ101@URIACC                            - Drummer -
REWOICC@ERENJ                            woj at work
R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU                   Russell Gelinas
MIKE@WVNVM                               Mike t.l.g.
ujwb.....                                Jeff B.

And these, most of which are probably not old-timers, and I thought they
might be interested in the tape:

crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM                Bob Crispen
MASUDA@SJSUVM1                           Mike Masuda
USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU                Dave Hall
WK7@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU             Walter Keller
MAINT2@ERS                               Kenneth M. Koester
CC29@IONA                                Ilia Bisnovatyi
ISTS024@UABDPO                           leonard watkins
MMLRICK@UBVM                             Rick McRae
DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL      Rotcod Zzaj
SCOTH@WMVM1                              Scott K. Hammer

...and anyone else I failed to notice in the list of addresses...

So, if your name doesn't appear up at the top, and you sent me your
selections, I didn't receive them, so send them again.

Seeya,
Gary, the tape dude                          gmgettie@thama1.apgea.army.mil
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:48:54 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Difficult Listening
              11 Jan 1993 15:21:05 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.E DU>

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:21:05 EST Scott Hammer said:
>One of the eight-minutes-'til-the-hour-arts-and-entertainment pieces on
>NPR's Morning Edition this morning was about the Turtle Island String
>Quartet.  Among other things:
>
>       o  Apparently they've gone through five violinists in the past year

Violinists, or violists?  =Spider Dreams= has 1 viola player for half of it
& a totally different player for the other half.  I think the first 2 CDs
had 2 other violists as well.

>          alone.  Much discussion in the piece about how tension in a group
>          is good, but how it sometimes gets out of hand (along with a ref-
>          erence to the many drummers in Spinal Tap).  They made the point
>          hat many successful string quartets make a point of staying
>          away from one another when they're not playing.  Apparently the
>          Guarneri Quartet goes so far as to not travel together when they
>          are on the road.
>
>I'll probably pick up some of Turtle Island's stuff on the strength of the
>snippets that NPR played.  Do any of y'all have any recommedations?
>
=Spider Dreams= isn't as accessible as some of their other stuff.  =Skylife=
and =On the Town= (30's and 40's jazz standards, some with a jazz band) are
more pick-upable.  IMHO, they've gotten better since their first CD, which is
also an acquired taste ("The Decline and Fall of an American String Quartet"
off that CD--name escapes me--is perhaps prescient, eh?)

Darol Anger is still my violinist of choice for current jazz, bluegrass, fusion
whatever stuff.  Particularly when he gets down and dirty on low violin.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:13:46 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Ignoramus prize,

> 8. Grossest musical mistake in a post.  (Ignoramus Prize, aka Renato Barahona
> Award for misattribution of _Ionisation_)

Me for saying yesterday that Tommy James and the Shondells did
"Sweet Pea".  It was, I believe, Tommy Roe.

Perhaps we could rename this category the "Rev. Bob's Brain Fart Award",
considering the number of them I've had (having to be told twice,
by the same person, that Prince wrote "Manic Monday", misunderstanding
(twice) Bloomdido's lucid explanations of what's in the Crimson box sets,
etc., etc., etc.).

Anyway, think back on the song "Sweet Pea" if you will, and imagine
it with a more pronounced dance beat.  Could it be a hit again, a la
"The Letter", "Someone To Lean On", "Wasted Time", etc?

Marsha, do you mean that (e.g.) Tiffany's performance of "I Saw
Her Standing There" is worth owning?  Pretty cool!  Maybe we should
make a second compilation tape of all these good songs by bad
artists.  I mean, I wouldn't have a Madonna tape or CD in my home,
but if she's done one good song, it might be kind of nice to have
it on a tape.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:14:26 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: LW's copying query

>> Do you sometimes feel guilty when you copy something, like your ripping off
>> the artists, keeping them from some of their royalties. If someone was
 copying
>> your stuff without paying for it, would it bother you. To be honest it kinda
>> bothers me sometimes, especially artists that need support. How do you feel.?
>
I agree wholeheartedly with Bloomie. I make my a cappella compilation tapes
precisely beacuse there is very little way for people to be exposed without
my help. I don't like to lend out my tapes and CD's - I never get them
back. But it's easy for me to copy two tapes. I know for a fact that The
Nylons and The Bobs have made at least a dozen sales each because I exposed
people to the stuff. I think it's a good thing. They don't play a cappella
on the radio - except Boyz II Men and Shai, and it's not the kind of thing
they put on sale at the local record store. No one will make an investment
without trying it first. That's where I come in....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:39:44 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LW listened to PG

Having my music played is often flattering, but when someone is
making money off of it, and it isn't me, that ticks me off.
I don't really have any of my songs copyrighted legally, so
I'm in deep doo-doo if I eventually hear one of my songs
coming out of the car next to mine, and the announcer says
the song is the latest release from John Denver, or something of the
like.  Boy, I hate when that happens... ;)

Mike
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:46:30 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Saving up your Xmas money

>I don't know if I jabbered about this before Xmas, but I decided
>that if I'm going to spend >= $400 on a tape deck, it might as
>well be a 4-track.  So my tape dubbing problem is finally solved,
> etc.

Well, it's a tradeoff.  The sound quality on a $400 2-track will most
likely be better than on a $400 4-track, but then, you can't make
4-track recordings on a 2-track, can you?

Anyone got a handle on the recording/playback quality of like-priced
4-track vs. 2-track decks?   How about throwing 2-track dual decks into
the mix?  :-)


"My lord Satan says watch Club Dance then kill yourself."
                          ^^^^^^^^^^
What a great show!  And such a clever name!  Men with belt buckles
bigger than their IQs!  Couples in matching outfits!  And country
music to boot (get it, to boot, ya'll get it?)

Russ
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:41:58 -0500
From:         MCFARLDR@UCBEH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CURE mailinglist ?

Please, if someone knows about this mailing list and/or one on Depeche
Mode please post the answer on the list or send to me directly.
Thanks in advance.
                                     Denise
mcfarldr@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)

>Got any good ideas of just what this new form of jazz will be?  Perhaps
>a marriage between trad. jazz and modern synthesis (ie. MIDI, computers)
>You should be right there.  Most m.s. stuff I've heard has little to
>do with jazz sensibilities, but i'll admit to being far from the cutting
>edge of that stuff.  Anything interesting to report in that vein?

>Russ

Gosh, speaking of Report, whatever happened to Zawinul and his arsenal
of synth jazz enthusiasts?  Maybe he can open this channel up again....
MIDI-wise, of course.

 3
M
    Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)                                         es
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:58:53 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Silkscreen Speaker

Leonard Watkins is going to cover his speakers, possibly with
paintings.

Let me offer some words of fear here.  I've always been scared to
replace speaker cloths because I get this image of the grille as
a diffraction grating placed in front of the speaker.

Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with grille gloths that
they can share?
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:40:29 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      One-hits/Rain

>> A Mr. Buck-Naked just asked: "Does anybody know of any one-hit wonders that
   talk about rain?"

How about "Life in a Northern Town" by The Dream Academy?  I know they've done
two or three (maybe four) albums total, but I don't think they ever had
another "hit" after this one.  (Rev. Dave? You were there; do you remember?)

Heather
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:16:21 MEZ
From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

  My opinion of this 'no cameras allowed' thing is that the only good
reason why a group would want to stop people taking pictures of them
is to try and stop the profis who make a living out of selling copies
of their photos (i.e. in the form of posters). I'm sure that no group
would really object to anyone taking a few snaps with their pocket
camera just to document their personal memories of the concert. Of
course, it's a totally different thing when someone turns up with the
full works - tripod, telephotos, fish-eyes, 10 cameras, (video?), etc. -
and plonks themselves right at the front of the stage the whole time.
It's difficult to ban one person and allow another, so I can understand
an across-the-board statement like 'no cameras allowed'.

Hosko
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:13:32 EDT
From:         BLAIDA@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Let The Madness Begin!!!!

Fellow Netters...
    Is there anyone on here that listens to Metal??  It seems the majority
of the bands talked about are alternative bands...  I have nothing against
alternative music.. Much...  But I would really like to see something about
Metal bands like Iron Maiden and Ozzy Osbourne (Musical Deity)...  Does anyon
know of any metal lists I could get on...

    Also.. To Judy.. I can claim to have bought the Hooters tape that has
All the Zombies on it...  There are some good sons on it.. Like a really
cool song with Patty Smythe on vocals... The name of the lp is Nervous Nights.
I also have their newer tape (Zig Zag)  It is pretty lame though...

"... SATAN sitting there he's smiling..
     Watch as the flames get higher and higher..
     NO NO Please GOD Help Me!!!! "

                             from Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath  (duh)

-- Genghis
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:29:45 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MTV

>i disagree. i find live footage stuff to be usually quite boring. in
>my opinion, a video should be a piece of film that tells reflects the
>lyrics and meaning of the song in a visual manner. as such, not all
>songs really deserve to have videos since some songs really don't have
>a story to tell.
>woj

  ack!  sorry, wojer wabbit, I think that is a terrible idea!
at least, it seems to show no aesthetic imagination.  It's like
reading a novel - when you are a kid, you want pictures to go
with it, when you grow up, you find the pictures distracting -
the interfere with your imaginings, and are often not up to
par with your own visions.  Having some two bit video jock
try to put a song's story line to video is just about the
worst thing that could happen.  I think those are the last
songs that should be translated to video.  Fortunately, there
aren't many songs that simply tell a story.  Most of them try
to communicate mood.  Take, for example, PG's (sorry len)
"Shock The Monkey" - great video.  No "story line."  Take
KaTe Bush's death music video - cornball!

No, the best videos are ones which try to capture the mood
of the music and translate that to images, not ones which
try to recreate the painfully simplistic story line in a
painfully simplistic way.

And the worst videos are the ones which have tattered sheet
plastic hanging from the ceiling, smoke, a bunch of babes
and band members with poofed hair pretending to lip-synch
and air guitar to the music.

                       -Tim
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From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Microbrew or bust/Cheap shots on Friday

>>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>>Subject:      Microbrew or bust
>>
>> Oh, all right:  OMC:
>> "In Muenchen staedt ein Hofbrauhaus,
>> Ein, zwei, szgufa"

>From:         Michael H. Bloom <MHB@MITVA.BITNET>
>Subject:      Cheap shots on Friday
>
>You got that wrong, it's "Ein, zwei, sfiga!"

Actually you're both wrong, but Ken is closer. You're both mixing german
with Bavarian. The correct version is (in Bavarian dialect):

    "Oans, zwoa, szufa"

Translated to german it becomes:

    "Eins, zwei, saufen"


Pferti God, Hosko (30 km west of Munich)
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:01:56 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: dirty tape deck
              7 Jan 1993 13:31:15 -0500 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

Teac used to sell a kit with 2 or 3 different bottles of stuff. One was for
anything metal. The second was for anything rubber - some of the alcohol based
solutions are not very good for the rubber parts and will cause it to degrade.
The sometimes included third bottle was just a stainless steel polish (this
was back in the days when components were mostly silver). I saw the 2 bottle
version of this kit a few years ago, but don't know if it's still available.
Find out what your local repair shops use.

Paul
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:56:39 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bob Tee's "Other Stuff" tape - review
              10 Jan 1993 00:56:55 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:56:55 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>"Little Wing" SRV. So THIS is what you folks have set up a shrine to....I
>now understand and I will worship with the rest....WOW. What else can I
>say?

Sing it, Sister Marsha! :-) Actually, I should probably have a pair of gloves
in my car to keep me from breaking half the blood vessels in my thumbs from
banging on the steering wheel when this comes on the radio. I should have a
neck brace too, 'cause last time I had a *sore neck* from gyrating my head to
the soul wrenching playing SRV does! I should probably also have a little
sticker on the back of my driver's license that says "Restrictions: Little
Wing by SRV playing on the radio".

Paulie Ray
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:31:58 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Another 'Who recorded this song' question

>and who recorded it?
>
>References to "Holy Moses"
>"All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
> all you people in the streets...
> the pieces are gonna fall on you."
>
>References to "Holy Noah"
>"All you zombies (hide your faces ?)
> all you people in the streets...
> the rain's gonna fall on you."
>

The Hooters, a stupid hair band out of PA.


jenna
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:54:35 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Recent listening

The ravishing (I can only assume) Heather opens the flood gates with:

<I'm the youngest of six. Lay it on me.

Talk about a straight line for this crowd...Ah, don't worry about flames,
they're just like rain off a duck's back...whoops sorry B-).

OMC as follows: Lenny asked about recent listening. This AM I had some legal
hack's a cappella tape on in my car (I'm very surprised at how listenable this
stuff is - I thought I could only handle a few in a row and then feel the need
for a throbbing bass line...). Last night I was sampling my purchases of the
day, including...

PRAXIS! Yes, I finally found this in the miscellaneous P section of a CD Plus
I hadn't been to in weeks. Need to digest it fuller, but it sure do inflict an
immediate impact! Not for the squirmish. I also picked up _Sailing The Seas Of
Cheese_ by Primus (hey, I was in the P section anyway...). Similar to Praxis in
that it'll take some more spins (a wee bit less sonic fury happening, but not
much less). I definitely like what I heard. Can I assume that Brain Mantia who
appears on _STSOC_ is the same Brain who's on drums for Praxis? I mean, how
many drummers do you know named Brain?

To round out my listening, I put on _Mingus Ah Um_ by Charlie Mingus. "Better
Git It In Yer Soul" kicks better than most anything you'll hear out there
today. Seems like a free for all at times...

Bob Tee
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:25:45 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: So far, so good...
              6 Jan 1993 23:40:45 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

Let me get this straight,
are you looking for songs done by us, or
songs which we like from other bands?

Mike
(I got some stuff of my own that may prove worthy...)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:44:15 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Xmas Goodies

2, to speak of, to wit:

A.  =Spider Dreams= by Turtle Island String Quartet.  Didn't get a chance to
listen to this one too much yet.  Some I like right off the bat, some may grow
on me, as is the case with most of the stuff Darol and the boys and girl do.
However, how many string quartets do you know of that do jazz, man?  The
novelty alone is enough to make you do a fair listen before deciding.  And I
have heard worse from them.

B. Concerto grossi, by Corelli, as done by Trevor Pinnock & company on Archiv.
No hesitation here--if you like Baroque, you'll like this.  Corelli was a
marvelously subtle and inventive composer & very strange to boot.  He apparent-
ly wrote hundreds of compositions, published virtually nothing during his life,
& trashed most of what he had done before his death.  All we have is 4 sets of
12 trio sonatas, one set of 12 concerti grossi & a few odds and ends, if my
memory serves.  The trio sonatas can get a bit much if you try to sit down and
listen to all of them one after the other, but the concerti with more forces
have more variety.  Also, instead of the Baroque standard 3 movements, you
often get 5 to 7 in each concerto; there is some suggestion that Corelli
intended the concerti as an example to the composer/performer & that there
could be many different possible arrangements of movements, both w/i a
concerto, and exchanged between several concerti.  Ie, that the existing
opus is in some sense an anthology, or, (yes, you guessed it) Corelli's
Greatest Hits :-)  I can attest from personal experience that Corelli looks
piece-of-cake easy on the score, devilishly hard to play in practice.  At
any rate, this is wonderful music which repays repeat listening.
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