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From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:00:19 GMT
Organization: The Greg Lake Fan Club

> While I don't support Playboy in their harassment of Event Horizons, I think
> it's kind of funny that for years Jim Maxey of Event Horizons claimed
> copyrights for his scans and threatened other sysops who posted his scans.
> He also has had the highest fees for the use of his BBS, up to $1 per minute.
> 
> I certainly think that you don't have a leg to stand on if you scan images
> that belong to someone else and try to turn a profit on them.  I think it's
> different than if you scan for your own enjoyment.
> 

Very interesting addition to the info, there.  So, the sysop claims 
copyright for stuff he copied?  _And_ he makes money off of it?  My 
sympathy for this guy is dropping through the floor.  He deserves 
whatever he gets.


"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Multi-Line BBS's
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:03:37 GMT
Organization: Feeds-R-Us

jtb5@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin T. Ballard) writes:

>I'm currently involved in a project to setup a multi-line BBS. We
>plan to use RBBS-PC as the host program. I have determined that 6

RBBS-PC is the pits as a multiline BBS - almost as bad as PC-Bored 

for DOS - and multiline -- TBBS is best -- nothing comes close

TBBS supports up to 64 serial ports on a 386 based machine --

The real answer is not to run DOS - but run UNIX.  TBBS while the
best solution for DOS doesn't come close to the power and flexibility
of UNIX.  

-- 
 =*= Larry Snyder, Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-0777 - 10 lines =*=
      internet: larry@gator.rn.com        uucp: uunet!trauma!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Email-->Newsgroup for CompuServe?
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:20:03 GMT

In article <01050130.0hfsp6@trail.sharpstone.com> asp@trail.sharpstone.com writes:
>
>I know of some people on CI$ getting USENET newsgroup to their CI$
>account.  They have to empty out their reader frequently because once
>it gets a certain # of messages it refuses to accept any more.

First of all, the question was how to put information into the CIS
'newsgroups', not how to send mail to CIS. CompuServe has no claim to the
copyright of mail, but they do to the SIG fora. 

>I don't know what this copyright business is all about.  Several USENET
>postings have appeared on CI$ and vice-versa.  I don't remember anything
>in the CI$ contract that said anything you posted in one of their
>SIGs meant that it automatically became CI$ copyright property. 

Then you better reread the CIS rules. They claim a right to the material
posted to their fora. Anyone who finds a neat posting in a CIS SIG and
posts it to USENET is violating CIS copyright, unless they are the
author of the material in the first place.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: XBBS Version 7.101
From: sandy@conexch.uucp (Sandford Zelkovitz)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:39:07 GMT
Organization: Consultants Exchange



XBBS is NOW SysV5.4.04 compatible!  Starting with version 7.101 of XBBS,
the code will now compile and run under ESIX 5.4.4. There is a new "makefile"
for ESIX 5.4 which permits this new operation. This new version of XBBS also
includes a new version of the sysop to user chatting program. 

As always, XBBS is free for the taking so enjoy!

Very soon, alphacm ( my home xbbs system ) will be up on a new 
486/50mhz computer system running ESIX 5.4.4 ( what else! ). The change over
will take place as soon as I get all of my files copied over to the new
machine....

Sandy


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
From: faust@vpqrb1.enet.dec.com (Stephen R Faust)
Subject: Re:  Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 APR 92 13:12:46    


In article <yury.08o6@bknight.jpr.com>, yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes...
>	Just so all of you know and stop getting paranoid. Scanning and
>using pictures is allowed as long as the picture is not duplicated
>exactly. If the pictures is altered to certain degree then it becomes your
>work. I do that all the time when I have to rotoscope something .
>(Rotoscoping) is where you digitize a picture and draw over it to make it
>look like painting. You comonly see this on TV as the comercials for
>Basketball and footballs games. As well as some of the sports shows. This
>is LEAGAL. 

Ahhh, I'd be real careful here telling others its completly legal to do          
something that the law clearly states is not. You should go back and             
reinvestigate the laws better before you go offering incorrect advice.           
I've seen more than one article on cases where the person who copied and         
changed the photo lost in court, paid fees, etc..                                

I think this how thing is getting out of hand. While the copyright laws
pertain to everyone, nobody really cares unless something is copied and
used commercially. Nobody really cares if you have copyrighted .gif files
on your system, or even if you tape a tv program and give out a copy or two
to your friends, or photocopy (not Xerox :-) a article and pass it around 
the office. 

The feds are not going to try to shut down the internet, etc. Worst case,
if some company pushes the issue that copyrighted materials are being widely
distributed on the internet, and it becomes an issue, sites will drop it for
fear of lawsiuits. All it would take is for Playboy's lawyers to send a letter
to Xyz Corp stating to cease, and watch how fast the lawyers move at getting
that Xyz to stop transmitting/receiving on those (or maybe all) news groups.

>	I can scan in a nude and recompose it into another picture or a
>background or alter it a certain way and no problem at all....
> 

However, I wouldnt publish it in any magazine that gets any amount of
circulation. The owner of the copyright might see it, and the law is clear!

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dsp,comp.source.wanted
From: u7717815@ccsun8.cc.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: Morse Code Recognizer Needed!!
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:10:02 GMT


I am interested in using machine to recognize audio Morse code signal.
Does any one out there have or know the software/hardware/FTP-site that
deal with it?
Please send the information to me (gcp79527@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw)


Thanks in advance.

Yo-Yau Lin.

Xref: sparky alt.bbs:3472 rec.games.misc:12398
From: carlm@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (carl.a.marseglia)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,rec.games.misc
Subject: UNZOO & UNARC UTILS
Keywords: HELP!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:26:19 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

COULd someone please email me a copy of these two
utilities so I can unpack my files. I was told to
pull them from a mirror site. (I am new to this and
I dont know what a mirror site is . If you cant
send the file please include the name of the site that
has it and include the name of the file
                  Thanks!!!!!
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: CD ROM, Which PD Disk?!?
Summary: Wanting suggestion on various PD CD ROM's
Keywords: CD ROM PD DISK DISC PUBLIC DOMAIN
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:43:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.4731iB1w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA


 
Well, as the price of CD ROM drives come down, and affordible, I'm 
looking at getting one.  I know about how the cheaper ones are slugs in 
terms of access times, but transfer rates still be pretty much in line, 
at least their faster than any of the standard transfer rates.
 
So now I'm looking at what disk to use, there are quite a few.  I don't 
want to go buy one and find out it has circa 1980 junk on it, and only 
1/4 full.  I'd like suggestions and opinions from users and owners of 
such beasties, and anyone else who has done some looking into on such 
things.  Why is PC-SIG so expensive?!?  $500~   PC Blue looked good, but 
havn't seen it advaible for over a year now.


             -=-  System Administrator  system@hale.cts.com  -=-
                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
From: mpevans@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 10:49:44 GMT

zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>I feel it would help if people would state WHICH LAW they are refering to
>when they post.
And make it clear what country, state, or whatever that law applies in
and to who.

>~Paul

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
From: mpevans@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:21:21 GMT

faust@vpqrb1.enet.dec.com (Stephen R Faust) writes:

>Ahhh, I'd be real careful here telling others its completly legal to do          
>something that the law clearly states is not. You should go back and             
>reinvestigate the laws better before you go offering incorrect advice.           
>I've seen more than one article on cases where the person who copied and         
>changed the photo lost in court, paid fees, etc..                                
This is the point where people need to start being clear what they actually
mean by the law, different countries have different definitions of what 
you can and cannot do, the concept of derived work and copyright would
appear to be one of the fuzziest issues of the debate, when looked at in
an international framework.

>The feds are not going to try to shut down the internet, etc. Worst case,
>if some company pushes the issue that copyrighted materials are being widely
>distributed on the internet, and it becomes an issue, sites will drop it for
>fear of lawsiuits. All it would take is for Playboy's lawyers to send a letter
>to Xyz Corp stating to cease, and watch how fast the lawyers move at getting
>that Xyz to stop transmitting/receiving on those (or maybe all) news groups.

>>	I can scan in a nude and recompose it into another picture or a
>>background or alter it a certain way and no problem at all....
>> 

>However, I wouldnt publish it in any magazine that gets any amount of
>circulation. The owner of the copyright might see it, and the law is clear!
The law in not at all clear on this maybe if we were just talking about 
material published on paper and distributed over the network all within
one country then it would be.
In the USA you may be able to prosecute someone if they use your artwork
as source material, if you publish elsewhere and someone can legally
take your artwork as source material and copyright their work, so long
as they have put sufficent time and effort in then TOUGH.
I suggest next to the copyright message you put "not for export outside
the USA" or whatever. 
The only clear way of claiming copyright is to make a clear statement of it
in the text or on the picture (the symbol is probably better than the word)
This should cover your world-wide
If you claim that a scanned immage infringes copyright you must be able to 
prove that you hold the copyright of the original. No symbol on your original
followed by your name NO proof, thus no case.
From a magazine, it may have a sweeping statement on the inside  of the cover,
you still have to prove that thats where it came from.
Special cases in US law will only protect you if you can prove that the
scan was made in the US.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: gcp79527@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: Where to find RE-BBS?
Organization: NCTU
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:45:38 GMT

I am looking for Morse code RECOGNITION software.
The problems are: 

(1) There is a program on RE-BBS (516-293-2283) named MORSE.ARC,
    but I can't get it.
    How to reach it(or equvalent site) via this net? (I have no BBS hardware.) 
(2) Do any FTP-sites contain this software?
(3) Are there any software realted to RECOGNITION of hand keyed Morse code? 

Also, I have gotten many `morse.arc, morse, supermorse, SendMorse' from USENET.
They "SEND" Morse code (symbol or audio), "TRAIN" users, and some maybe just 
"TOYs". So, they did not help.

If anyone out there know the relevant info, please tell me.

Thanks in advance.


Yo-Yau Lin.
From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Prodigy stealing your personal information -- NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:11:46 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.030905.337@panix.com> eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) writes:
>
>You want to start quoting some specifics?  Show me where Compuserve,
>Prodigy, or any commercial service says that in their contract.  Otherwise
>I'll have to assume you're just making up facts to support your argument.
>(I know that Prodigy's membership agreement does not do anything like this)

	Hmm.. well - I just did ask for someone with a prodigy account
look at the contract. I know my old Compuserve one (4 years ago)
mentioned that they reserved the right to review all data.

>come to mind).  But the law is clear enough -- any big corporation in
>the online services biz has no excuse for not abiding to it.

	What they have is a need to comply with the notification
rules. 



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From: tk0jut1@mp.cs.niu.edu (jim thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:01:18 GMT
Organization: Northern Illinois University

In article <1992Apr10.151145.10641@kumr.lns.com> pozar@kumr.lns.com (Tim Pozar) writes:
>tk0jut1@mp.cs.niu.edu (jim thomas) writes:
>>
>>
>>The problem with the Fresno PIO press release, as with similar media
>>coverage, is the tendancy of writers to find the dramatic angle and ignore
>>the real issues. Perhaps we should all begin to more aggressively contact
>>publisers and journalists in our own local papers to educate them on the
>>issues. Rather than "our police at work..." the header probably should
>>have been "journalists are at it again..."
>>
>>Jim Thomas
>
>   Press releases are originally released by the company or orginization, 
>not the press.  The idea is to help the company announce a product or in
>the case of the law, it may be to announce a problem to the public or to
>help them argue their budget.
>
>   In the case of the Fresno PD release, it was written by the Fresno PD.
>
Please re-read the original post. The Fresno PD's PIO office wrote the
release, not law enforcement officer(s) themselves. This thread began
by criticizing police investigators for promoting hysteria through their
ignorance. In this particular case, the officers seem to have been as 
offended by the release (written by a young writer) as the rest of us.
Because the Fresno PIO release translates "facts" into "media outreach,"
it typifies the broader problems of media coverage (a press release, after
all, is a medium). The point seems clear: "Journalists" should be educated
whether the write for the NYT, a newsletter, or a PIO office.

Jim Thomas
From: David Hansen <dhansen@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:46 PDT
Subject: Need Net in Indiana
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1297400056:000:211
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dhansen    Apr 12 18:46:00 1992



Sorry to repeat this but I screwed up the title.

I need net access desperately in Northern Indiana, area code 219,
for Michigan City, Indiana.  Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Davd In Austin Texas


Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.internet,comp.org.eff.talk,rec.photo,misc.legal
From: sdw@bugatti (Steve Williams)
Subject: Re: Illegal photograph postings (was: Your police at work for you!)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:45:41 GMT

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
: > While I don't support Playboy in their harassment of Event Horizons, I think
: > it's kind of funny that for years Jim Maxey of Event Horizons claimed
: > copyrights for his scans and threatened other sysops who posted his scans.
: > He also has had the highest fees for the use of his BBS, up to $1 per minute.
: > 
: > I certainly think that you don't have a leg to stand on if you scan images
: > that belong to someone else and try to turn a profit on them.  I think it's
: > different than if you scan for your own enjoyment.
: > 
: 
: Very interesting addition to the info, there.  So, the sysop claims 
: copyright for stuff he copied?  _And_ he makes money off of it?  My 
: sympathy for this guy is dropping through the floor.  He deserves 
: whatever he gets.

You have to remember that this is not and black and white situation!!!
As I see it, there are a number of opposing forces in copyright law
and it is up to common sense/concensous and ultimately to a judge to
decide on which side of the line something is on.

Exact duplication is obviously infringement unless the type of use is
considered (at this point in time in this situation) to be 'fair use'.

Anything less than exact still infringes by the derivative work
clause, which gives as many rights as the original, except that fair
use expands (gradually...) to include all types of uses as the new
expression is added to the original expression.

(Note that these are examples and my opinion of possible outcome,
purely conjectural...)

So:
  scanning a picture perfectly 			Infringe
  scanning a picture badly due to limitations	Infringe prob
  scanning a picture badly purposefully for	No Infringe
	affect
editing:
   changing backround color of SP		Infringe
   Adding moustache to model			No Infringe prob
   collage of 2 pictures			Infringe
   collage of 10 pictures, esp. random etc.	No Infringe prob
   distorting image by hand (grips...)		No Infringe prob


The copyright holder always has the right to sue and the infringer can
always argue, and sometimes win or lose little....

: 
: 
: "Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
: powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
: it's your place to challenge authority..."
: 
:                                           Rockerboy

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: censors, christians, and other liars
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 20:27:37 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Tonsured Lemming) writes:

> 	Censorship is tempting, but basically wrong.  First, if you're going to
> use computers as the excellent tool for information exchange it's almost a
> crime to limit what people can say.  Even if they express utterly reprehensib
> opinions, they should have a right to use the resources offered.  After all, 
> bbs is part of society, and should therefore express all of society...even th
> gross parts.  One can only hope that information exchange brings enlightenmen

Recently, in talk.politics.misc and ca.politics, a certain individual
has been on a crusade against the gay community who posts to
soc.motss.  He has been grabbing posts he considers to be depraved
from soc.motss and re-posting them into *.politics, along with his
anti-gay editorials.  One such post was an explicit erotic story,
definitely x-rated, which he copied in its entirety.

I will be opening up my BBS for public calls this summer, and I
already have soc.motss, alt.sex, t.b and related groups configured for
access by a priviledge level that will be given only to verified
adults.  This person is forcing me to consider one of two courses
of action:

a)  Restricting access to all of Usenet to adults only.

b)  Putting this person's name in a system-wide trashcan file.  His
posts will be effectively censored on my system if I do this, because
the BBS software will kill any posts from names in the trashcan file.

I'm not worried about kids seeing the occasional four letter word in
groups like talk.politics.misc, but sexually explicit articles are
another matter.  The last thing I need is for an irate parent to get
on my case because his/her kid saw a post titled "IN THE BATHTUB WITH
DADDY" in t.p.m.  But I don't want to restrict minors from reading and
posting to Usenet, either.

I've never observed this kind of behavior from any other individual in
any newsgroup before, to the point where I cannot trust them not to
post sexually explicit articles in places where they are not expected.

What would you suggest?



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] Send me lawyers, guns, and money - QUICK!  The shit has hit the fan!
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:3413 alt.bbs.lists:667 alt.bbs.internet:2280
From: n8948315@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (Arthur Morgan)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: UNIX BBS WANTED
Keywords: UNIX BBS WANTED
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:02:36 GMT
Organization: Road to Emmaus @ 206-647-0618

In article <1992Apr8.160107.9326@uts.uni-c.dk> unijbm@uts.uni-c.dk (J|rgen B. Madsen) writes:
>
>
>I want to start a UNIX-BBS connected to Internet.
>
>Can anyone recommend a professional BBS runing on UNIX
>and where to buy/get it ?
>
>I have the following requirements:
>
>    *  System 5 (BSD) UNIX

Have you tried Waffle?



-- 
Arthur Morgan  <n8948315@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
From: kr0u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin William Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: WANTED: Public Access in Pgh.
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:04:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I'm looking for public access machines (ala the Cleveland FreeNet) for
accessing usenet and internet, in the Pittsburgh PA area.

    Free and/or cheap preferable.

                                                       kwr

Internet: kr0u+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: OVERKILL Doorgame
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:26:59 GMT
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering


I'm trying to set up the Door Game called "Overkill II", and I fetched
it from the FTP-site nic.funet.fi.... However, there seems to be missing 
two files, called  TERRA.MP1 and TERRA.MP2 (two deafault maps). I really
don't understand how they can be missing from a FTP-archive, but I'm stuck
without them anyway.

I couldn't find any other FTP-sites that had this doorgame (it was stored under
the name OOII97b.lzh at nic.funet.fi) in the archie-databases.

Does anyone know if they are available on some FTP-site in spite of that fact ?

Or does someone have these two missing maps for me ?

Thanks in advance,

Michel.

internet: MVDL@ET.TUDelft.NL
bitnet  : MVDL@HDETUD53