From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization (
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:05:04 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article 25749@ncsu.edu, jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel) writes:
> 
> COUNTER-PROPOSAL AFTER A LONG FLAME : Jump to the ***** to bypass, although
> the flame is VERY relevant to discussion.
> 
> adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) spooges:
> >SUMMARY
> >This is the Request For Discussion regarding the proposal to split 

> >rec.games.netrek.announce (moderated)
> >Announcements of new software, documentation, FTP sites, etc.
> >Frequently Asked Questions lists may be cross-posted here.
> >Urgent notices of serious bugs and their (short) patches.
> Hmmm... wouldn't you think that the bugs/patches might go in .programmer?
> Other than that, it sounds like about the only traffic in here will be
> the FAQs.  Whoopie.

Well, I know that other groups post patch announcements on their
.announce so I thought it might be a good idea to do it here.

> >Moderated by Alan D. Cabrera (adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu). If anyone 
> >else is interested in assisting contact Alan.
> Gee, nice of him to volunteer himself before asking if anyone else WANTED him
> to be moderator, let alone "ASSIST" him in the matter.
> NO ONE ASKED YOU TO TAKE COMMAND, ALAN, AND NO ONE EVER WILL.

I knew I was going to get flack for this but I thought that others
would volunteer for the job.  I don't think that what's written in an
RFD is carved in stone.

> Er... no.  Most of the traffic (except for the recent flurry of RSA and NBR
> ideas and information, which contains an easily identifiable KEYWORD for
> killfiling) has very little to do with this subthread.
> Cute idea--bad implementation.
> What happened to r.g.n.client, r.g.n.server, r.g.n.nbr, r.g.n.rsa, and the
> other similar subgroups that were bandied about--or didn't they fit your
> Master Plan[tm]?

Well, mods to servers typically affect clients, rsa for example, so I
thought they might be better lumped together.

> >rec.games.netrek.d
> >Discussion about netrek which does not fall into any of the other 
> >netrek groups' categories. No articles should be cross-posted to 
> >r.g.n.d and any of those other groups.
> Or the Wrath of Alan will overtake thee and spank thee with a ruler.
> By the way, what's to stop people from using rec.games.netrek.d as 
> rec.games.netrek was used, and just posting everything there 

That's the idea, miscellaneous drivel, such as that spewed from your
keyboard, would go to that group; which by the way wouldn't be
subscribed to by my newsreader.

> Folks, I wouldn't advise giving this loser the benefit of a reply, except for
> the fact that he's self-righteously appointed himself The Official Authority
> For What Should Go In Rec.Games.Netrek And How Much Bandwidth It Should Take,
> and taken it to the extreme of posting here.
> Hell, I barely recognized his NAME among the posters before he sent this
> thread, and I tend to post 1-2 articles every day to r.g.n. 

That's right!  On r.g.n we have a few well known people who like to
hear themselves talk on the net.

> Therefore, I propose:
> 
> *****
> 
> SUMMARY:
> 
> 1)  That discussion continue as to the NEED for a split in rec.games.netrek 
> before the particular subgroups to be created/not created would be decided upon.

Thats what an RFD is for and I encourage such a discussion.

> 2)  That someone <other than Alan Cabrera> decide at the end of the discussion
> period whether any kind of workable consensus has been reached, and whether
> a CFV is necessary on a rec.games.netrek.* hierarchy.
> 
> 3)  That no decision towards who will moderate subgroups be made until the
> need for subgroups, need for moderation, and discussion of each is complete;
> and, at that point, that it be recognized that Alan Cabrera is NOT the 
> implicit moderator/assistant moderator of such groups, but merely a possible
> candidate.

That was my idea from the beginning.  I regret that our newserver broke
down before I had a chance to explain some of the ideas after I posted
he the RFD.  Basically I agree with 1 & 3 of Jeff's idea.  I believe
the decision for 2 is mine and as I mentioned before, the date is not
carved in stone.  If I'm wrong about 2 I'd like someone from
uunet.uu.net to clarify.



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