From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL -- The Jack Discussion
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:56:17 GMT


Just a few quick comments this time....

In article <1jnbknINNcbf@lynx.unm.edu> vickie@carina.unm.edu (Victoria Hamilton) writes:
>TimTom the Timinator responds fervently:

Now how else would I respond?  :)

>> >First, I think Matt Ashford is one of the finest actors on this show.  His
>> >only real competition comes from Peggy McKay.  Secondly, I do not think
>> Then don't you mean to say that he is THE finest actor on the show?   If
>> not, I'll go along with "one of the finest" and we'll have nothing to 
>> argue about.
> 
>Oh Tim.  Unlike Spud, I use the term "actor" in a completely non-sexist way.
>Peggy McKay is an actor in my mind as is Matt Ashford.  I am not a computer
>scientress.  I am a computer scientist.  See?


You missed my point.   I wasn't talking about the gender of the word "actor",
in fact, I agree with your usage.   Your phrase "his only real competition"
led me to believe that you meant he was clearly the best, with Peggy McKay
a distant second.


>> Well, I for one understand everything you are saying here.  You seem to
>> think that "we people" that are not as enchanted with Jack as you are
>> must be in the dark.   We get it, believe me.   Now let's move on.
> 
>There is nothing in this particular paragraph that implies that I think this.
>Of course, that doesn't mean I don't think that. ;)


Well, nothing happens in a vacuum.   That paragraph coupled with other
things you've said elsewhere *does* imply what I've stated, IMO.


>> Okay, that's fine because you said "in my book".   For me, two of those
>> four actors you mentioned HAVE proved themselves.   Staci and Crystal
>> were both excellent throughout the cancer storyline, and I think Crystal
>> has had several excellent scenes since then too.   I'm not saying that
> 
>I disagree whole-heartedly here.  Staci was OK in a few of the cancer
>scenes but she got worse towards the end. 


On the Thursday before she died I thought she was remarkable.  On the
day of her death I thought she was way above average.   If I could sit
and cry at the demise of my least-favourite character, then Staci must
have done *something* right.


>I have yet to see Crystal do
>anything I thought was any better than mediocre.  She is better than Billie
>or Icky, but not much.


Well, I could rattle off a list, that would include her confrontation
with Vivian, telling Isabella the sad news, her kiss with Lawrence,
but it doesn't really matter.


>> Jenn doesn't approve of the tabloid stuff...   she felt she was forced
>> into it.   
> 
>Oh, now I understand.  Jack's reason - saving the Spectator - wasn't good
>enough, but Jenn's was.  This argument holds no water, TimTom.  There


When did I say that "Jenn's was" ???    It wasn't!   She was wrong and
I think she knows it.   Unlike Jack, who needs to be hit on the head
with a mallet to realize that he goofed.


>is no difference.  She did it, but she didn't want him too and nagged
>him about endlessly.


Well, Jack continued to do it long after he came to his senses.  Jenn
did it on the spur of the moment.   I think that's a big difference.


>> She did so!!!  Right after the show off to the side of the set.   Just
>> cos the words "I'm sorry" didn't come out doesn't mean that it wasn't
>> an apology.
>Wreck their lives and then one I'm sorry is OK.  She was ecstatic about
>the response to the show.  Just how sorry does that actually make her?


I think she was *very* sorry.


>> >When I got a call from the GrapeNut this weekend, we discussed this latest
>> Ahhhh, now this is all starting to come into focus.  :-)
> 
>NOT Tim and you know it.  Remember how wrong you were last time you
>assumed I wasn't thinking for myself.


Uhhh, it was a *joke*!!!


>> You can like Jack's character for doing despicable things but nobody
>> can like Carly's for the same reason?   I know that she hasn't been
>> portrayed as being despicable, but for me it is that flaw and her
>> chemistry with Lawrence that has made me like her.
> 
>I bet if you ask Ann she will say that she doesn't like Carly because
>she's despicable.  I bet she admires Carly.  Your argument is flawed.


Hmmm, I said that *I* have come to like Carly for some of the more
sneaky things that she has done.   How can there be room for a flaw
in that?


>> "These people", eh?   Well, I've got news for you.   There are people
>> out there that like Jack AND ALSO hold the opinions you've attacked
>> here.  Believe it.
> 
>I know and I hope I stirred up a whole hornets' nest. ;) What I really
>am trying to say is that I am not surprised we disagree over Jack considering
>the above list of things we already disagree over.  It doesn't surprise
>me if we agree.  There isn't necessarily a relationship between agreeing
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Exactly, which is why I'm having such trouble finding a point to
all this.      



>> >We'll chalk Rose's delusions up to being sick lately.  I too am a diehard
>> >Nick fan.
>> Get her, Rose!  
> 
>Heh, heh.  No way.  She's down and out.  No competition from her.

I wouldn't say that!  :)


Tim
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