Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:36:33 EDT
From: <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
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In <1992Sep30.220727.25293@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>       According to the San Francisco
>       Chronicle/Examiner (Sunday _Image_ supplement, December 2, 1990)
>       [Look folks!  Real live hard data, not just someone's anecdotal
>       evidence.] AF/CM marriages outnumber AM/CF marriages by 4 to 1
>       in San Francisco.  In Sacramento the ratio is 8 to 1.
>
Did it state how many of AF/CM are the so-called ``Greencard marriage''
and how many AF's are ``mail-order brides'' from the Phillipine or
Thailand???

It will take A LOT OF guts and GREAT courages for a CF to marry an AM
(to make love is another matter), considering the pressure from her
parents, peer-pressures from her girlfriends (Asians are no longer
a rare/mysterious species in this country, and thanks to Hollywood,
AM has gotten the least desirable image in dating/mating games),
not to mention look-downs by other whites and even harrassments.

(The same things will also happen to CM's who want to marry an AF,
 but to a MUCH less degree --- this is still a male-dominated society).

IMHO, the interracial marriages (CM/AF & AM/CF) may be classified as
follows:

 A). People just fall in love naturally.

   In this case, Asian sides are most likely to be at least
   2nd-generation Asian-Americans and grow up in U.S. so
   the couple have the common background/culture.
   IMHO, most of AM/CF marriages belong to this category.
   The number of CM/AF in this category should be about the
   same as AM/CF in this category.

 B). People who have the ``inferiority complex'' about their own race
     and just want to marry into the mainstream.

   I don't think any white would have this kind of symptons.  And they
   are THE mainstream here in U.S.A.
   On the other hand, many (if not most) Asians (including Asian-Americans)
   have/had this kind of feeling at least during sometime in their life
   (most likely when they are young).  An extreme example is that Asian
   girl in the Montel Williams Show who said ``Asian guys are ugly and
   make me want to throw up'' etc.

   Almost all of marriages in this category are CM/AF because this is
   still a male-dominated society, and thus an AF with low self-esteem
   could be quite desirable to CM, while an AM with the same symptoms
   won't be accepted by CF, period.

 C). people who would have significant material gains by marriage.

   This doesn't happen only in interracial marriages, but in all
   countries/societies.  In almost all cases, it is the female
   who would gain the benefits (face it, this is the REALITY).

   It is an undeniable fact that an European-American women (CF)
   will NOT get any social/material benefit by marrying an AM
   in U.S., unless the AM just happens to be extremely rich
   --- but their number are VERY small and they may find their
   own race (AF) are more attractive  :-) .

   On the other side, most of Asian countries are MUCH poorer
   and have MUCH lower living standards than U.S., some of them
   even have oppressive governments from which people try to escape.

   (Allan J. Hu might say the 3rd world economical development is
    irrevelent to the discussion here, but, IMHO, most of CM/AF
    marriages involve women from the 3rd world, and the statistics
    didn't distinguish them from Asian-American women --- that is
    why the ratio of AM/CF to CM/AF is as high as 1:8).

   A while ago (when there was an announcement about U.S. withdrawal
   from Subic Bay naval base in the Phillipine), someone told me
   a joke(?) (quite offensive to the Phillipinos):  the only goal
   in Phillipine women's life is to marry an American soldier and
   bring all of her relatives to U.S.

   The same thing might also be applied to some international students
   here in U.S.  By marrying an American, they can easily get GreenCard
   and be eligible to be U.S. citizens very quickly, and thus be able to
   bring her relatives to U.S.

   Moreover, there are always some men (in any country/society) who just
   simply can not get any woman.  Fortunately, for American men, they
   just happen to be born on this rich land with the highest living
   standard in the world and a lot of people from other countries want
   to settle here.  So, you got the so-called ``mail-order bride''
   business for those desperate men.

   Some of those American men are so desperate that they would take
   any female --- last year, a 23-year-old American student (CM)
   married a 37-year-old Chinese student (AF) here in Penn State.
   (The past marital history is irrelevent to those desperate American
    men, as long as the girl is really a female).

   There are also several CM/AF relationships involving Chinese
   students here.  The American (CM) would quite fit the type
   who just couldn't get a date.  Actually, one of AF's involved
   said frankly to her girlfriends (heard from my ex-SO) that
   she's in the relationship just because she would get the
   GreenCard easily and NOTHING else, and you gals will see
   who laugh last, etc.

   However, taking advantage of one's position is also a two-way
   street --- once the girl gets her Green Card, she might just
   discard you (CM) as the stepping stone.  There are many of
   this kind of cases (early this year, an American whined it
   in soc.culture.china) and that's why the INS has the two-year
   waiting period with the provisional Green Card.  Fortunately,
   those American men can always find another AF from the 3rd
   world and enjoy at lease two years of free sex (if they have
   the ability) before starting over again.


>       "Asian guys have small penes."
>       Sex researchers have repeatedly documented that penile size has
>       no relevance to sexual satisfaction.  Fixation on penile size
>       appears to be more of a trans-pubescent adolescent male fantasy,
>       rather than anything significant in social settings.
>

Why do you still accept the illusion ``Asian guys have small penis''???
For past few months, `Jim' has paid attention to it in the swimming pool
lockrooms --- yes, some whites have bigger ones than his, but others
have smaller ones; and there is no apparent relation between its size
and person's height (several 6-feet-plus whites have the smaller ones,
while the biggest one seen so far belongs to a 5'9'' white).

On average, Asians are shorter.  But it doesn't mean their `manhood'
is smaller.  The relationship is not strictly proportional, otherwise
`Jim' should be 6 feet tall  :-) :-( .

Any Asian who has access to alt.sex please repost this and following
articles (posted earlier in s.c.a.a.) to alt.sex in order to dispel
those stereotypes.  This is your life and you got to fight for it!!
(But please strip the header section containing userid, thanks).

-------- beginning of earlier post --------

In <920713153725.2890@UCSVAX.SDSU.EDU>
COMPR4002@UCSVAX.SDSU.EDU writes:
>From alt-sex-faq  1 Jul 1992:
>
>  Source: "Race Differences in Behaviour: A Review and Evolutionary
>        Analysis"
>          by J. Philippe Rushton, Dept. of Psychology, University of
>          Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2
>          in "Journal of Personality and Individual Differences"
>          Vol. 9, No. 6, 1009-1024, 1988.
>
>  According to a paper by J. Philippe Rushton, the average size for erect
>  penises is:
>
>
>    Group              Length           Diameter
>
>   Orientals           4 - 5.5"          1.25"
>   Caucasians          5.5 - 6"          1.3 - 1.6"
>   Blacks              6.25 - 8"          2"
>

I am not sure if these data are real.  Why there is no overlap
between different races???  Another thing is the size for Asians
seems to be too small.

I know a Chinese guy --- let's call him Jim.  He is quite short,
even among Chinese, about 5'4'' or 5'5''.  But the length of his
`manhood' is about 14.2cm (5.6'') and the diameter 3.8cm (1.5'').
Jim remembers that he saw some Chinese in lockrooms with much
larger ones.

Jim also heard from his friends in California that Asian/Oriental
men are known to have `lasting' firepowers.  Once, during a 1-month
vacation, Jim and his Chinese SO (now ex-SO) had `meals' every night
(minus a few days for ``women's things'') --- a full-course `dinner',
plus a `snack' a few hours later (majority of time), and definitely
a `breakfast' (might turn out to be a `dinner', or be skipped for some
events).  She might `ride' Jim or `be ridden' for 30 to 60 minutes
during the `dinner' (``Who put that alarmclock at bedside?'' ;-) ).
According to the ``Real Sex'' on Cinemax, American's average (assumed
for white) is about 10 minutes.

Well, this article should follow up the original posting in alt.sex,
but our uptight Penn State doesn't carry it  :-( .  The sad thing
is that the original misleading information in alt-sex-faq will
make a lot of CM's feel they are the `savior' of AF's (was that
part of a concerted campaign to degrade Asians?).  Anyone who has
access to alt.sex may repost this article there, but please strip
the header section.  Thanks.