From: tran@neep.engr.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [REL] Women Priests
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: tran@neep.engr.wisc.edu
Organization: SCV Relay
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

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   Tuy nhie^n, tru+o+'c he^'t to^i muo^'n dda(.t 1 va^'n dde^` vo+'i nhu+~ng
netter na`o co' hu+'ng thu' ba`n ve^` vie^.c na`y#.  Nguye^n la`
to^'i thu+' Tu+ Nov 11-92 na(`m trong Hotel nghe news tre^n TV
to^i tha^'y 1 tin quan tro.ng, ddo' la` The Church of England OKs
Women Priests:
"The Church of England voted Wednesday to ordain women as priests, risking a
split with a stubborn minority in its pulpits and pews who feel the move
contradicts Scriptures and tradition.
With a two-thirds majority required in each of the three houses of the church's
General Synod, the legistation was approved 39-13 by the bishops, 176-74 by the
clergy and 169-82 among the laity after a day-long debate#."

   Ve^` to+'i nha` ddo.c ba'o to^i tha^'y ma^?u tin sau dda^y tre^n to+`
Wisconsin State Journal, Friday Nov 13/1992:

VOTE DECRIED BY VATICAN.
Vatican City (AP)-  The Church of England's vote Wednesday to ordain women as
priests is a "grave obstacle" to closer ties between the Catholic and Anglican
churches, a Vatican spokeman said.
   Pope John Paul II told Archbishop of  Canterbury George Carey in May that
the issue "touched on the very nature of the sacrament of holy ordination,"
spokeman Joaquin Navarro said.
   "The Catholic Church, for fundamental theological reasons, does not believe
it has the right to authorize such ordination," Navarro said.
   "The decision by the Anglican communion constitutes a new and grave obstacle
to the entire process of reconciliation with the Catholic church," he said.
   The Church of England and the Vatican have sought closer ties since 1966.
Anglicans broke with Rome in the 16th century over papal refusal to grant Henry
VIII an annulment.
   The Catholic Church has remained firm on forbidding women priests despite a
declining number of men seeking ordination around the world.

Va^.y va^'n dde^` to^i muo^'n dda(.t cu`ng ca'c netter la`: ba.n u?ng ho^. hay
pha?n ddo^'i women priests?  Vi` le~ gi` ba.n u?ng ho^. hay pha?n ddo^'i#?
Xin tri`nh ba`y mo.i ly' le~ mo^.t ca'ch xa^y du+.ng va` nghie^m chi?nh.

DDe^? go+.i y', to^i xin post quan ddie^?m cu?a Susan Ager vie^'t trong
Knight-Ridder Newspaper nga`y Nov 14/1992:

WOMEN MUST TAKE A STAND FOR CATHOLIC RIGHTS

   "Radical Catholics were talking about breaking the church's taboo on women
priests 20 years ago, when I first stopped going to Mass.
   They were still talking.
   Many mainstream Catholics have joined in, but there's no evidence of budging
on this question.
   So, I'm still not going to Mass, as if anyone in Rome cares.
   Ask me to fill in an application, and I'll check the little box that says
"Catholic."  But ask me at a party about my faith, and I'll ruefully confess
I'm a "recovering Catholic."
   What I'm recovering from, but liable to slip back to at any moment, is a
bewildered anger: over the sexual repression the church was successful at
teaching young girls, over the male-centeredness of its anti-contraception and
anti-abortion stances.  But, mainly, anger over the church's refusal to take me
and my kind seriously#.
   Oh, they say they do#.  But who runs the show?  Even George Bush has women in
his Cabinet.  Even the Big Three have women vice presidents.  In the church,
there are no women in even the lowliest ordained ranks.
   When I voted this month, I thought to myself: At least in government, change
is possible in our lifetimes.  I harbor no such hope for the church.
   I admire those who stay and fight: the Agnes Mansours of the world, and the
religious women who work here and around the world, ministering to the hungry
and the lonely and the sick in body and heart.
   But I'm to hurt to smile, which is what you have to do if you want to bring
change from within.
   So, I give my money to other causes.
   And I wonder if that's what we Catholic women really need to do: withhold
our cash.
   Why send money to political candidates who reject what you believe most
deeply#?
   Why give money to the church that denies your right to sexual pleasure,
sexual protection or sexual self-determination? Then also denies that you
deserve any power in making the rules?
   What kind of family is this?
   Who would want to be part of a club that would have you as a member - but
reminds you every day that you will never vote#?
   If Jesus were alive today, would he refuse to choose women disciples? Other
Christian faiths -Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians - ordain women as
ministers and elect them bishops.  Jews have ordained women rabbis for 20 years
   Some of my Catholic women friends think I'm off the deep end.  Yeah, they 
say, you're talking about the big chiefs in Rome#.  But who cares? These friends
say their own priests are different - liberal, open-minded, willing to let 
women run committees, give homilies etc.  And, they whisper, these priests have
privately condoned the choices they've made about their bodies.
   Great, I reply#.  You got a good one#.  Your life has been blessed.  But what 
about other women, in other parishes, in other nations?  All bound by the 
rulings of old men.  Bound in either compliance or, when they can't live that 
way anymore, to guilt.
   We could make a difference: a women's boycott of the Catholic Church.
   And find somewhere else to teach them the principles of the Gospel - a 
church, a club, even a mere household that is at least struggling to live with 
love, respect and equal voice for all of its members."

   Xin ca'c netter hie^?u ra(`ng, to^i post quan ddie^?m tre^n cu?a
Susan Ager kho^ng co' nghi~a la` to^i co' cu`ng 1 quan ddie^?m.  Tuy
nhie^n, ca^u "If Jesus were alive today#...." la`m to^i nho+' dde^'n
1 ca^u trong lo+`i gio+'i thie^.u cuo^'n "Lettre ouverte a` Jesus-Christ"
(Open Letter to Jesus Christ) cu?a Cha R. L. Bruckberger:
  "Dans sa parabole ce'le`bre du Grand Inquisiteur, Dosteievski se posait la 
question que tant de chre'tiens se sont pose'e, au cours de deux mille'naires
de christianisme: 'S'Il revenait, que dirait-Il, que ferait-Il? Que diraient,
que feraient, ceux qui Le repre'sentent ici-bas?' 
   Vi` ca? tie^'ng My~ la^~n tie^'ng Pha'p cu?a to^i thuo^.c loa.i a(n
ddong ne^n to^i ta.m di.ch ca^u tre^n nhu+ sau:
  In his famous parabola of the Great Inquisitor, Dosteievski asked himself the
question that so many christians ask themselves, in the course of two millennia
of christianism: If He came back again, what would He say, what would He do#?
What would they say, what would they do, those who represent Him here below?

Enjoy#.  Looking forward to knowing your opinion.

CTN
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