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From: chronos@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Tom Wilbur)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:13:03 GMT

In article <0HL4TB8w165w@spud.kludge.com> tom@spud.kludge.com (Tom Lemos) writes:
>michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend) writes:
>
>> 
>> Well, around here they just chain the free standing machines to a pick
>> up truck and drag it off.  I guess they borrow a friends blowtorch later
>> to cut through the safe at their liesure.  	
>> Yes, I did read it in a newspaper somewhere.
>
>This method was tried in Oakland, California.. seems they just decided to
>tow the ATM... the cops were hip to the entire scene..they watched and laughed
>from a safe distance until they laughed so loud that the folks who were
>taking the ATM noticed.. and started to run. Plus, the topper was that
>the truck they used to drag the ATM away ran out of gas when they started
>to pull away from the ATM.. the ATM never moved an inch, because it was
>bolted to the ground in SEVERAL places.

A similar story a friend recently told me involved would-be thieves
who chained the ATM to their bumper.  As noted above, the engineers
who built the bank weren't terminally stupid, so the ATM didn't budge.
It did, however, pull the bumper off the truck.  Alarmed, the thieves
drove away, leaving the bumper (and, unfortunately, their license
plate) chained to the ATM.  Supposedly, they got a nice wake-up call
from the local police department the next day.

My friend swore it was true (yeah, sure).

ObUL: If you pull one ATM out of the wall, the others will follow (or
was that a Disney hoax?).

-- Tom

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| chronos@csli.stanford.edu   |                    -- Dan Quayle      |
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:46:05 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <18NOV199219512381@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
>
>>The method of picking the President has been changed before, so what's the 
>>compelling reason not to complain about the current method today?
>
>There's no reason not to complain, as long as a better system is proposed.
>Direct popular vote is not a better system.

Why is it not?  Perhaps the spirit of the Constitution as most of the people
understand it might actually be followed?

>
>>In many parts of the US, state lines are artificial boundaries relative to
>>the community.  
>
>All borders are artificial boundaries.
>
>>Should the voters of New York City be represented Electorally
>>speaking by some Electors for NY State, while their neighbors, the commuters
>>from nearby New Jersey, and close-by Fairfield County Connecticut be lumped
>>together with their respective more rural states' population electorally?
>
>Unless you want to do away with the concept of state government altogether,
>yes.

What does state government have to do with a Federal election?

>
>>Perhaps in the Western portion of the US, this aspect isn't as important,
>>since population centers are typically self-contained within a single
>>state, but what of the East where this tends to happen in several areas?
>
>Too bad.  State lines were drawn hundreds of years ago, and nobody's about to
>go redistricting the map of the USA.  Granted, some people may be more closely
>affiliated with neighboring states than with their states of residence, but
>that's always going to happen as long as there are states.  

The question is put forth specifically towards any rationale in federal
elections.  As long as states essentially give blocked Electoral votes, it
is possible for a population center to be "diluted" by smaller groups in
the other ends of each state.  If 40% of the vote in NY State comes from
NY City, then the state overtakes the significence in its voting block
to the Electoral College, even though the votes of the surrounding area
may only influence NJ and Conn. outcome.  Thus, whether a large tax-base and
population center can only get its fair share of representation in the
current system if coincidentally, it develops within a state, as opposed to
in a border situation such as the New York area.

>
>>So, if "un-like" groups are being lumped together, why not a popular vote?
>
>To prevent people like George Wallace (or even Henry Wallace) from becoming
>president.

I don't understand the reference to George Wallace, other than to think of
him as Perot's forerunner.  That year, a lot of people voted for Wallace
as a protest of the two-party system.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: mscott@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott)
Subject: Re: Famous Americans on Christianity
Reply-To: mscott@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:30 GMT

In article <mjenkins.721786253@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
|> In <2825@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> 
|> >Was anyone famous ever a Christian?
|> 
|> How famous? Does Amy Grant count? How about Billy Graham?
-- 
Here's a few that I can think of off the top of my head. These are all people
who have openly professed a deep commitment to Christ. (please excuse the
spelling errors)

Sam Walton - Walmart Founder (before dying he was the richest man in America)
Harry Lloyd - Owner of House of Lloyd
George & Barbara Bush
Ronald Reagan
Dan & Marilyn Quayle
George Gallop - famous pollster
C. Everett Coop - former Surgeon General
Dr. James Dobson 

Sports:
Dave Dravecky
Oral Herschizer
'Pistol' Pete Maravich
Rosy Grear - now in fulltime ministry
Tom Landry 
Steve Largent
Ozzie Smith
Pat Williams - NBA coach
Nolan Ryan
Jackie Joiner Cursey
Florence Griffith Joiner

Entertainment:
John Tesh
Michael W. Smith
Glen Campbell
Stevie Wonder - I heard he just became a Christian
Rick Cua - fomer member of "The Outlaws"
Marilyn McCoo
Denise Williams
"Take Six"
Sandy Patti
Kerry Livgren - Kansas
John Elephante - Kansas
Jody Benson - "The Little Mermaid"
Kathy Lee Gifford - "Regis & Kathy Lee Show"
The original "Doublemint Twins"


There are LOTS of others not as public about their faith too.
_________________________________________________________________________
Mark Scott			| 
Motorola Computer Group 	|     "Where there is no vision,
Urbana Design Center		|  	  the people perish."
#include <std/disclaimer.h>     |		   Proverbs 29:18
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Water Tower Suicide.
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:45:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.044441.13854@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>ObServation: Have you ever followed a stream in the middle of nowhere and 
>thought to yourself "That looks tempting - it must be fresh and safe to 
>drink".  Why is it that no matter when you decide to take that drink - a 
>hundred metres upstream - just out of sight - there is a dead sheep in 
>the water!   

Because you're in New Zealand, and there are dead sheep everywhere, so
there's always good odds that there'll be a dead sheep 100 m upstream.

However, the odds against two dead sheep are astronomical.  So, obviously,
what you need to do is bring a dead sheep with you when you drink water.

Ted "Monty Hall brings a dead goat, himself" Frank
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standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
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From: barry@ute.Columbia.NCR.COM (Barry Shelton)
Subject: Stupid Quote
Originator: root@ute
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:45:25 GMT

Is the following fact or folklore?  If it's fact, can anyone supply a
reference?

   When asked why he opposed bilingual education in the Houston
   public schools, the mayor replied: "If English is good enough
   for Jesus, it's good enough for our children."

Thanks, and forgive me if this has been discussed before (I've just started
reading this group).

Barry Shelton
barry@ute.columbiasc.ncr.com

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From: jmethot@vicorp.com (John Methot)
Subject: Soldiers breaking wind (Was Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge)
Organization: ACME Consulting, Inc., Northampton, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:05:55 GMT

In some article I read somebody spewed:
: Now my Calculus textbook is getting into the urban legends...this from
: Boyce and DiPrima's _Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value
: Problems_, Fifth Edition.

That's a funny name for a Calculus textbook!

: It talks about resonance occurring when "the frequency of the forcing function
: is the same as the natural frequency of the system" (no, I don't know what
: this means yet, we just started the chapter).  Then, the juicy stuff:  "For
: example, soldiers traditionally break step when crossing a bridge to eliminate
: the _periodic_ force of their marching that could resonate a natural frequency
: of the bridge."  (Their emphasis.)

: So, anyone wanna help me with my homework?

I wonder if the bridge could be saved if the soldiers broke wind instead
of step?  Now, of course, if the soldiers' buttocks (bullocks?) vibrated
at the bridge's resonant frequency you could still have problems.

-- 
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From: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

In article <1992Nov16.001800.20529@midway.uchicago.edu>, pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson) writes:
> In article <15NOV199217433014@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:
> 
> >It was designed that way, and it works very well.  The electoral college
> >prevents candidates who do not enjoy broad popular support from winning
> >national elections, thus eliminating the possibility of a crank with a huge 
> >regional following ascending to the White House.
> 
> Would someone care to do the necessary research to see if this
> phenomenon has ever actually occurred?  I guess you could start by
> looking at the (recently posted) list of candidates who won the
> electoral without winning the popular and ask yourself if their
> opponents had "large regional followings".  Then you could ask yourself
> if they were cranks...
> 

Well, there was one incident that I can think of, but the "crank" won anyway.
In 1972, an electoral college member from New Hampshire (I think: maybe Maine) voted for the Libertarian candidate, thus giving Toni Nathan (the VP candidate) the first electoral vote for a female.

Nixon won anyway.

rgds-- TA  (uucp: uunet!fed!m1tca00 | internet: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov)
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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: 1950's Darryle, damnit.
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <9764@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:

# I called the CDC today and asked them for the symptoms of AIDS.
# They told me tha t there is no such thing. Rather fully blown AIDS
# is a condition where there is no immunity and opportunistic
# infections impose themselves so that what presents are the symptoms
# of the opportunistic infections. This story has been given pro
# minence by those who would like to impose the unsubstantiated
# allegation that AIDS was always there.

You are playing with words, sir.

There may be no symptoms of AIDS itself, but the sudden susceptibility
to those opportunistic infections (plus, apparently, some typical
diseases like Kaposi's sarcoma) and the failure of the body to fight
back normally are *symptomatic* of AIDS.

Back to square one.

David Johns


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From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Vanishing Hitchhiker equals Archangel Gabriel / Germany
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:37:13 GMT

In article <BxxqJu.BqC@world.std.com> lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund) writes:
>
>Larry "or does the name Pavlov ring a bell?" Headlund
>
NoNoNoNoNo


That should be "does the name 'Quasimodo' sound familiar?"
>
>-- 
>Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345 

No, but his face rings a bell.

Tony "dead ringer for my brother" Sweeney.
From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: No trespassing
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:08:27 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com


In article <1ekvdoINNck@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
>Peeve:  lawyers.  Have you ever noticed that everybody that passes
>*laws* is a *lawyer*?

No, I haven't, because it isn't true.  For example, where I live, our
representative in Congress is a college (but not law school) professor,
and our two U.S. Senators are businessmen (one in broadcasting; one in
something else, I forget what).
-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
From: mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Dr. M.C. Diffin)
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Calvin/Hobbes...) 
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:41:08 GMT

In article <Bxvwr0.5EE@news.iastate.edu> cmriggin@iastate.edu (Christin M Riggins) writes:
>In article <amymw.721962605@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> amymw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Amy Wisotsky) writes:
>>proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone else out there think that "Puff the Magic Dragon" is a very
>>>sad song, especially the lines "Dragons live forever, but not so little
>>>boys"?
>>
>>This probably isn't the place to mention this at all, but as long as
 
Quite.

Against my better judgement, I am responding again to this topic. 
You've had your fun here, why not go and play somewhere else.


-- 
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JANET: mdiffin@uk.ac.mrc-crc    PHONE: +44 (0)345 333111 Pager No. 0406653
INTERNET: mdiffin@mrc-crc.ac.uk, mcd12@phx.cam.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Calvin has MPD
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:13:01 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <H.ea.CqsnmE2kK1g@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>In <1243.55.uupcb@hal9000.UUCP>, Bill Duetschler writes:
>
>>TP > with his toy stuffed tiger.  
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>please use the more pc, "non-biological", or "nonbio" for short.  harvee,
>my non-biological gator, tells me the words, "toy" and "stuffed" are 
>extremely offensive to them.  (if the so-called "stuffed" one was once 
>a bioanimal, the correct word is "taxidermed".)
>
>i keep asking the terrys to make harvee an offical afu mascot, but it
>never happens.(whimper).  as an alternate i suggest my imaginary
>lemming, snuffy.


So have you ever visited the croc and gator man in Natick, Mass?

He has a couple of gators, and I believe 5 crocs.  They live in pools in
his back yard in the summer, and in pools in his basement in the winter.

He's in his seventies, and has been collecting them since he was in his
early forties.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
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From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:30:12 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Nov16.120622.60891@cc.usu.edu>, slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.134752.3585@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>,
>jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>> What if some group, say the LaRouche (sp?) people, managed to get
>> their people in as electoral college members in large enough
>> numbers to elect LaRouche?
>
>     I have been led to believe that electors are chosen by their
>financial/other loyalty to a given political party.  
  [...followed by intimation that this may be an Urban Legend.]

The exact mechanics vary from state to state, but I believe North
Carolina's procedures are typical.  Each party holds precinct 
meetings, at which any registered party member can show up and
cast one vote.  Precinct meetings elect delegates to a county
convention; the county convention elects delegates to a Congressional
District convention and to a State convention; those latter
conventions choose Presidential Elector nominees (one from each
District, plus two from the State convention).  I've been a delegate
to several such conventions.

As these conventions consist mostly of people who live and breathe
the party's politics, many of whom have known each other for years, 
it's very likely that they choose candidates for Elector who are 
similarly loyal and committed.  It's unlikely that a "planted" 
nut-candidate supporter could get sufficient support at the 
convention.

(This year I think they modified the procedure so that a candidate
without a political party (Perot) could choose his electors himself;
Inspector Perot is too good a snoop to allow any LaRouch'oids to 
get through his screening process.)

Of course, the nut candidate could plant his "moles" decades in
advance of need, so that eventually they would be thought to be
good loyal party members.  Come to think of it, isn't that what Pat
Robertson has been doing the last few years in the Republican party?

Bruce "Didn't Monty Python once propose a 3-party system?" Tindall
-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
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From: csuley@cs.cornell.edu (Christopher Suley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Trick for auto entry in the news.
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:02:16 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

[alt.locksmithing]
In article <41341@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
>
>A local news story said that thiefs had been exploiting
>a new trick to unlock cars.
>
>The claim was that one could take a tennis ball, cut a 
>hole about the size of a quarter in it.  Place the hole
>flush with the door over the keyway.  Then give the ball
>a sharp blow, while at the same time pulling on the door
>handle.  Up pops the lock. Sort of a pneumatic pick gun.  
>
>I've not had a chance to try this yet.  Has anyone
>else heard of this?  Anyone tried it successfully?
>
>mark

I'd like to see a.f.u's opinion of this.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.175629.8155@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>
>Who did you have in mind?

Gore.  Teddy Kennedy isn't viable, and Adlai Stevenson is dead (along with
Generallisimo Francisco Franco).  You can throw in McGovern as well.

I don't like any of them, I just don't see Clinton as distinguishable from
any of them either.

Here's perhaps a more important alternative question:

Who runs in 1996 or 2000 from *either* party?

cj "Quayle/Kemp versus Gore/Tsongas in 1996?" l
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re:  Frozen Waste
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:03:33 GMT

egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
|Frozen waste from airplane toilets crashing through windows etc. on its
|descent after being released from a plane is impossible.  
|An airplane moves at hundreds of miles
|an hour at heights of 35,000 feet (approx.) so any waste that is ejected is 
|immediately obliterated into a billion pieces.  

"... I departed Houston and landed in Chicago.  My luggage went to
Boston, and my waste went to Kansas City.  "

-Brent

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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.154646.27070@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.092401.20569@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>In many parts of the US, state lines are artificial boundaries relative to
>>the community.  Should the voters of New York City be represented Electorally
>>speaking by some Electors for NY State, while their neighbors, the commuters
>>from nearby New Jersey, and close-by Fairfield County Connecticut be lumped
>>together with their respective more rural states' population electorally?
>
>Connecticut and New Jersey are actually each more urban than New York
>state.

That only supports my point, which is that the area geographically around
New York City has to become split with respect to its common interests,
because there's this distant population in Upstate NY, (and I include
rural New Jersey and rural Connecticut) that it's lumped in with for
Electoral purposes.  When New York City was the Capital of the US, these
areas were all non-urban, but today, the region and state lines don't mix.

A lot of New York City people have an Albany enmity problem.  I'm sure that
other states have similar problems.

cjl
From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL used for sitcom plot
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:59:33 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bose.phys.ksu.edu

In <zlsiida.416@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:


>ALSO!  on a show called "Waiting For God", a couple of lines of dialogue 
>struck me as rather amusing---
>"What was he doing throwing a boomerang from the window of a moving train?"
>"He was testing Einstein's theory of relativity"
>Anybody want to discuss what the 'rang ought to do?

Barring air-friction and assuming a constant speed to the train it should
come right back to the thrower.  More likely it will hit some poor old biddy
a couple of cars aft.  Of course, that's assuming he can throw one of those
damn things properly.

-diverson

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diverson@phys.ksu.edu
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