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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Summary: Don't use my quotes
Keywords: I messed up.
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:34:00 GMT
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For future reference in this thread:

Do NOT use any quotes of mine to support your opinion, one way or the other.
I have been reviewing my "sources" and have discovered that they are NOT
official.  I'm not saying that they are wrong, but any reference I made to
Paramount, or anybody associated with DS9 & TNG, are not real.  Someone was
fooling me, and I don't want to fool any of you.

If you find OFFICIAL information which supports what I have posted, THEN
use my quotes, but say where your official info came from.

Seth D. Ruskin
Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
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Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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P.S.  I did not make the info up, I was just mal-informed.
From: irwin@juliet.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SPOILEReview: "Relics"
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:34:00 GMT
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In article <1bkb86INNf2d@agate.berkeley.edu>, jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes...
>SPOILERama for "Relics"....
> 

>On that level, this show worked wonderfully well. Scotty was
>indeed a fully realized character, an old engineer totally
>passed by thanks to 75 years out of the loop. He was suddenly
>transformed from being the expert on tech to being a, yes,
>Relic.

Hey Jason, I'd say that his problem was that he spent 75 years "in the loop"!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 
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From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.172401.9035@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
 
>Does anyone know what Picard says at the end of the episode (I think "The
>Enemy") where Geordie and a Romulan are stranded on a planet and learn to
>help each other barely making it back to the Enterprise at the end when the
>big E and a Romulan warbird are about to blast each other.  It is something
>like "______manship is a dangerous game."  We have rewatched it several times
>and cannot figure it out.  Thanks
 
Could it have been "One-up-man-ship?"
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From: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Reply-To: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:30:15 GMT

In article <BvrL9x.C50@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>
>better yet, that the actor played a different character, who just looked
>the same by coincidence.  Like Christine Chapel, Number One, and Lwaxana
>Troi.  Like Kate Pulaski, Anne Mulhall, and Miranda Jones.  And any of
>a half-dozen actors who played redshirt security men and were killed,
>but showed up with a different name and position next season.

A friend of mine has done a fair amount of work as an extra on ST:TNG;
he has been most visible as a transporter operator in one episode, and
as a security officer in another (no prizes for guessing which ones).
He did not quite know what to make of this, but seemed satisfied when
I suggested that Starfleet dislikes overspecialization in its
personnel, and encourages them to become proficient in a variety of
fields.  Yeah, sure, that's the ticket.  [of course, we explain his
presence in engineering in ST6 as one of those look-alike ancestors
that are so common in the Star Trek and Dark Shadows universes]

Just to add to the mystery of rank pips: back in the first season,
Richard Arnold (remember him?) once mentioned that the rank pips for
some personnel were not `hollow', but were intended to have a colored
dot in the middle, the color varying to represent years of service, or
branch, or something -- he mentioned that William Theiss had not
revealed the details of the system, in hopes of selling a book later.
I imagine that this has long since gone by the wayside, partially
because Theiss left the show, and partially because the colored dots
ended up looking black anyway.

	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:26:07 GMT

In article <Bvu541.Gsw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Huc
e) writes:
>semi-spoilers for people who know nothing about "relics":
>
>
>In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3
mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>>Just a little preliminary survey.
>>How many here get the feeling that this
>>episode where Scotty returns is not going
>>to be to good?
>
>we shouldn't really make judgements based on 30 (?) seconds of
>preview... *but*      :)
>
>1. with Scotty there the episode will be based on ST pseudoscience... an

>you know how accurate that is.
>
>2. it might be retconned away at a later date: it is said that he was
>trapped for "75 years".  Now, most timelines would put that as anywhere
>from immediately after ST6 to 5 years later.  Would Paramount really
>stick to continuity and leave Captain Scott out of the next few movies,
>because he's trapped in limbo?  If he isn't allowed to appear in ST7 or
>8, because he's been scrambled, all his fans will be angered.  If he's
>there anyway, after the date he disappeared, people who value continuity
>will be angered.  Personally, I fall under both categories, so I'm
>really going to be pissed at the next movie unless they say it's
>immediately after TUC... why couldn't Paramount simply have said he was
>trapped for *sixty-five* years?  Much simpler, and Doohan would be able
>to appear in at least 3-4 more movies.
>
>On the other hand...
>
>1. Scotty is the most interesting character of the old series.  (hey,
>that'll stir up a flamewar! :).  It'll be great to see him again.  The
>Spock episode was boring because Spock's character has been beaten into
>the ground in countless novels.  Scotty is underused and still
>relaitively "fresh".
>
>2. we get to see 2290-era ships and uniforms! from when men were real
>men, women were real women, and starships were sleek and beautiful!
>
>So really, it could go either way.
>
>-- 
>What did Dan Quayle get on his IQ test? 
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They could be rounding it off when they say 75 years, though...it 
might have been something like 72, 68, etc., but 75 was such a "nice
round number."  Of course, I haven't seen the episode yet, so if they
give the exact stardate, I guess I'm all wet...

--
---Chris Meadows  CHM173S@SMSVMA or CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
        "Wish in one hand and do something else in the other, then 
          squeeze them both and see which one comes true."
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From: pmcgttgn@unix1.tcd.ie (Paul Mc Gettigan )
Subject: Re: star trek TNG censorship: I.R.A. victory
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:40:06 GMT

In <1992Oct6.171326.10146@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:


>Irish Free State?  Sheesh they haven't used that name since the '30's...
>it's the Republic of Ireland.  (and coincidentally the claim control of
>all 32 counties in their constitution) 

Article 1 of the 1937 constitution reads (from memory)
..the name of the state is Eire or in the english Ireland.

British commentators however seem to have a problem with the name Ireland
and as such refer to it as Republic of Ireland,Southern Ireland .. even Eire
even though none of them speak Irish and I never hear them referring to
Germany as Deutschland,Sweeden as Sveerige or Japan as Nippon ,or even Wales as Cymru.
It can hardly be explained as a courtesy towards our native tongue.
  
Whether it qualifies as a republic is doubtful as republicans are
continually harassed and jailed by the political police ..the Special Branch.

As for the claim on all 32 counties ... unfortuonately thats all it has ever been.

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|  Now as I walk by                                       |
|  I see mortars fly                                      |
|  It's not safe .. Downing Street..Where you live..      |
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: --<man of the people>
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:49 EST

>A few other odd points...
>-I dont know if I would wanna be a member of that race...they always
>die like a dead gerbil...

At first when we saw the ambassador's mother die I figured Rigor Mortis
had set in, which makes the body stiff (no pun intended) if dead for a
long period of time.  Perhaps this could be true because they age so
quickly, but I believe they die stiff because they are so tense and so
hyper...?

>-The morph was well done, but I dont think Trio's metabolism would reverse
>her aging process THAT fast :)

Looked awefully cheap to me, compared to the morphing in Terminator 2,
STVI, and some new commercial with people dancing...  But then again,
this is just a TV show.  I wasn't too sure that WAS morphing because it
was done so poorly compared to the other works of morphing.

>-Forgot to mention this, but the plot moved quite well in this...As
>opposed to points in last week's where it seemed to drag, this was always
>up on its toes...

Quite true, but I felt that it was a little weak on keeping me excited.
Of course during the commercial breaks I was wondering this and that but
the antagonist wasn't THAT evil and Troi's acting "really old" was poor,
especially in the transporter room.  It looked/sounded to me like she
tried not to move her lips but her voice was too high pitched and "young
Troi-like" to be an old hag.

>I would give this episode an 8.5 out of 10 .  It was quite well done,
>but there were just little things that could have been done better....

If I had a scale I give it a 7.5 because it could need improvement.  But
the concept, idea, and execution was well done.


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From: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd)
Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Reply-To: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:32:41 +0000

>>>                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
...
>>>135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life
>>>      11/21/92  227R 46001.3      Time's Arrow II
>>>      11/28/92  228R 46041.1      Realm of Fear
>>>      12/05/92  229R 46071.6      Man of the People
>>
>>Why so many repeats? 
>>Isn't that only nine episodes--and at least two of them so so?
>
>Gee, where have you been for the past six seasons?  It is the same every year.
>Well, except for the second season where the writer's strike caused a major
>glitch.

One of the reasons is Christmas. They run a good block of new episodes
at the start of the season to get people into the series, but don't want
to waste their new stuff over the Christmas period when no one wants to
watch TV. I've also noticed occasional shifts in the pattern of repeats
to ensure that all new episodes are screened during any periods when special
ratings information is being gleaned. Cynical, me?

Also, the strange effect of a 26 episode season is that they can run it
twice in 52 weeks, thus keeping the ST:TNG slot open all year round - what a
lucky fluke! :-) Here in the UK, TV companies tend to show a new series as a
block, and when it's finished the slot is replaced by something else. Such
series will probably be repeated during the summer months, when there are
less viewers. If it's Star Trek, though, heaven only knows what they do with
it - usually replace it with football, cricket, tennis, golf, pro-celebrity
tiddlywinks... :-(

Andre

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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Shabang's Rating of Man of the (Nia) Peebles..
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:02:39 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Well, since this was supposed to be a "Troi" episode, the Shabang-o-meter 
was prepared for the worst.  With plenty of reinforcements, including a 
couple of extra helpings of nacho doritos and coke, the rating went 
underway.

And the result?  I've seen worse, good idea, but the execution was lacking. 
Hell, it was a classic idea, but there were enough places where you just 
had to wince and in some cases painfully-wince.  Give MotP a 3.  Not even 
worth taping.

Later
Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

Yes, you too can get your car smashed by a meteorite!  But be sure to get 
it covered on your insurance.
From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Imzadi" and "Man of The People"
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:05:34 GMT
Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
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Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <92285.162100LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu>  <LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>While watching the episode "MofTP" I thought I heard Troi and Riker
>refer to each other as Imzadi I know by reading the jacket of the book
>that this is a name they have for each other special conotations etc.
>
>My question is has this been established in other episodes or just in
>the book and drawn into this episode.  In case you missed it, it was
>just before she scratched him.
>
>Thanks,    Larry

   Troi referred to Riker as "Imzadi" on Encounter at Farpoint ... she
does so telepathitically.  She says something like "I too could not say
good-bye, Imzadi."  I'm sure there are other episodes, but I can't
remember any names right now.


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
From: STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Stan Horwitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:10:04 GMT
Organization: Temple University - Computer Services

I know the Scotty episode next week has potential to be really bad. Guess what
though. It won't be the end of the world if it is bad. Let us withhold our
reviews of this show until we actually see it. I didn't see the previews from
the previous episode so I can't comment on them, but I am looking forward to
watching this episode and if it doesn't turn out to be entertaining, life will
definitely still go on.
From: burnette@io.cs.unc.edu (Chris Burnette)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Man of the People Question
Summary: Question Answered?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:22:56 GMT

In article <sBZJsB1w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> > Another question is this:  Crusher announced Troi's death at 14 hundred
> > something hours, in front of the Am., taking off the cartorid stimulators. 
> > Then, just minutes later, the Am. leaves after making a nasty comment about h
> > getting safe passage back home.  As soon as he leaves, Crusher says 'We only
> > have 3 minutes and 40 seconds (or some small time amount).  Now that's not wh
> > she said earlier about having 30 minutes.  What's going on there?
> > 
> > -Pamela Cho-
> 
> She also says something about realising Troi from stasis.  My guess is that 30
> min. figure was included the time she could put Troi is stasis.   So that they
> only had a few minutes once they took her out of stasis to revive her before 
> the brain would begin to die.
> 

I think what happened is that Crusher killed Troi while the Ambassador
was still on the planet (which is why he looked ill suddenly).
Therefore, more time could be taken up considering that he needed
to be beamed up through the force field and escorted to sick bay.

As far as Crusher's announcing the time, there are two possibilities:
	1. They decided to announce time of death in front of
	   the ambassador for his sake or
	2. The time they were announcing was not the current time
	   but the time when she actually died.
	 
Of course, I realize that this does not completely take up all the
thirty minutes.  I guess the writers just wanted to add some suspense
to the plot (as if we'd mind seeing Troi die) :*)

Hope this helps some.

Chris.
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Man of the People Script Flaw!
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:14:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct13.131437.1475
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Major problemo with "Man of the People" that I noticed upon a second viewing.

When Worf was covered by two guards with phasers and the captain and he were
asked to leave the planet immediatly...

Excuse me, but Worf is a Klingon, and a Security Chief.  Captain Picard has
also been trained as well.  I think these two could have taken out the guards,
especially they were very close to Worf.  Come one, Starfleet would have
their security trained on "What to do when a phaser is stuck in your side".  

--Akane
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From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Subject: timelines
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:12:26 GMT

I am a bit lost when it comes to the years that are between the old and
the new Star Trek. Can any one answer the following questions?
How many years pass from STIV( TVH) to STV(TFF) 
How many years pass from STV(TFF) TO STVI(TUC)?
How many years pass from STVI(TUC) to the first year of the Next Generation?
	Thanks in advance, qshawn
smackinnon@mta.ca
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Question for Peter David (on sexual habits of crew)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.015011.18644@javelin.sim.es.com> SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) writes:
>  
>Yo Pete - how is it worked out what the characters in the books can
>and cannot do?  I mean, the books follow the show, of course, but are there
>limits placed on what the characters can do in the books?  Are you required to
>stop at perminant damage and officially-unacknowledged trists between regulars?

I'm not PAD but...

This is a FAQ, the answer is posted every month or so.  There is a
standards document that the writers have to follow, telling what isn't
allowed.  Basically, it's about avoiding major changes in a regular
character: you can't kill or marry Kirk.  Data becoming human is another
one they dislike ("Metamorphosis" should never have been published, but
they were looser with the standards then.)

-- 
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: PAD's dire nudity predictions come true
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:36:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Ah, but "Man of the People" wasn't during sweeps week.

Also, maybe I missed something (actually, I know I did--I missed the first 
half hour of that episode).  Troi was in a slinky outfit, all right, but
I don't think they had her nude, did they?

PAD
From: chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:45:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>In article <8525@orbit.cts.com> chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson)
writes:
>|
>|                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
>|
>...
>|127.  09/19/92  227  46001.3      Time's Arrow II
>|128.  09/26/92  228  46041.1      Realm of Fear
>|129.  10/03/92  229  46071.6      Man of the People
>|130.  10/10/92  230               Relics
>|131.  10/17/92  231               Schisms
>|132.  10/24/92  232               Q-Me
>|133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals
>|134.  11/07/92  234               A Fistful of Datas
>|135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life
>|      11/21/92  227R 46001.3      Time's Arrow II
>|      11/28/92  228R 46041.1      Realm of Fear
>|      12/05/92  229R 46071.6      Man of the People
>|
>
>Why so many repeats?
>Isn't that only nine episodes--and at least two of them so so?
>--

I believe the pattern is nine(9) new episodes, several repeats during the
holiday season, then more new episodes.  Anyways, the last two episodes should
be good.  "A Fistful of Datas," #134, is directed by Patrick Stewart.  And
"The Quality of Life," #135, is directed by Jonathan Frakes.  Some of my very
favorite episodes were directed by these two people, so I have high hopes for
each episode.  I hope Brent Spiner gets a chance to direct an episode this
season.  He has enormous talent, so I know he would do well. 

Chris Jacobson
People-NET [pnet51]                          INTERNET: chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org
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