HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Date: 15 Sep 1992 10:35:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <1992Sep15.040311.16313@u.washington.edu> jwad@milton.u.washington.edu writes:
->
->If I say anything that offends anybody, I'm not.  What I'm trying to do is  
->describe myself and I realize that other people are different.  
->         ^^^^^^

Not too different sometimes, John ... *hugs* ... 

->O.K. I'm going to admit that I am confuse and it's not all completely  
->about my bi-ness either.  

When I started wondering whether I might actually be bi, I started a
correspondence with Mike Lloyd, which helped immensly (thanks Mike! *LONG
HUG*) ... I told him I was confused ... he said something along the lines
that only fanatics and dead people were not confused ... 

[re: asking yourself if you're gay]

->Does anyone one out there ask this question of themselves? Honesty here,  
->please.  

I can't belive I'm doing this ... 

Yes, John ... I've wondered about that myself ... Quite often ... I've
actually, more correctly, wondered if I'm a monosexual ...

It started during the two weeks of confusion after I started questioning my
heterosexuality, when I was thinking along the lines of "I *want* to be bi,
but oh-my-god what if I'm just a confused het?" ... 

I ended up deciding that I was bi, until proven otherwise (innocent until
proven guilty, y'know ... :) )...

Then I got involved with a man ... now, you've got to understand, this was
my First Relationship ... he was the first person I ever kissed ... I mean,
really kissed (quite a lot of fun, BTW ... I try to do that quite often now
:) ) ... the first person who I slept with (as in, sharing a bed while
sleeping ... *grin*), etc ... and I realized that what I felt with him, I
never ever before felt for a woman ... 

My God, am I gay?  oh-my-god I want to be bi, but am I gay?

I'm now on the other side again ... I still haven't managed to make love to
him ... and I'm utterly and totally in love with a woman ... 

My God, am I het? oh-my-god I want to be bi, but am I het?

*shrug* I don't know yet, John ... I hope not ... I really hope not.

But it worries me ... My relationship with my
sortof-SO-but-not-really-because-he-doesn't-like-me-to-call-him-that is
rather cool ... rather intellectual ... I'm rather in control of myself with
him ... with her, it's utterly emotional.  And I try to remember that he may
just not be My Man ... that I could, hopefully, feel this way with a man,
given the right man, and that all it would take is Mr. Right ... but there's
still the nagging fear inside my head ... am I het?

I don't want to be straight.  I really don't.


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From: mnorth@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: stonewall organizing conference
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:37:34 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

For Immediate Release
September 15, 1992

CONTACTS: Steve Ault 718/499-8984, Nicole Ramirez Murray 619/528-
5800 & 692-1967, Howard Wallace 415/861-0318, Gary Wells 414/263-
7187

U.S. ORGANIZING MEETING ANNOUNCED FOR JANUARY 15-17, 1993,
DALLAS, TEXAS FOR THE INTERNATIONAL MARCH ON THE UNITED NATIONS
TO AFFIRM THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF LESBIAN AND GAY PEOPLE, JUNE 26,
1994, NEW YORK CITY

Activists representing lesbian, gay, bisexual and AIDS-related
organizations throughout the U.S. will meet during January 15-17,
1993, in Dallas Texas to help build the International March on
the United Nations to Affirm the Human Rights of Lesbian and Gay
People.  The International March and Rally will be the largest of
several hundred events planned for June and July, 1994, in New
York City and around the world to commemorate the 25th
anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion.  A Stonewall 25 calendar
of related events will be regularly updated and distributed.

"Letters of invitation to the Stonewall 25 organizing conference
will be sent to every gay, lesbian, bisexual, and AIDS activist
organization for which we have a mailing address.  This process
will begin in September, 1992, and continue as the mailing list
is updated," explained Gary Wells, member of the Stonewall 25
U.S. Conference Planning Committee, and former President of the
Milwaukee Pride Committee.  "The total will be in the thousands. 
We want to get the whole U.S. movement involved in organizing and
decision making," he added.  Pat Norman, another member of the
Conference Planning Committee, who served as co-chair of the 1987
March on Washington for Gay and Lesbian Rights, noted, "We intend
to reach out as broadly as we can.  We are following here the
same process that contributed to the enormous success of the 1987
March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights".

                              #####
Yours Truly
Michael in D.C.
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:09:21 GMT

tdober@llnl.gov (TDO) writes:
>elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) wrote:
>> Probably because it doesn't exist.
>
>Gee, that's funny. This site gets soc.gender-issues. Maybe, just *maybe*
>it's not such a "bogus" group after all?

No, it's bogus.  It was never voted on under the standard Usenet guidelines,
and never newgrouped at the vast majority of sites.  You can always look
at "List of Active Newsgroups" in news.announce.newusers if you won't take
my word for it.  (I'm willing to bet that sites carrying bogus soc.* groups
are also carrying talk.bizarre.rabbit and misc.sheep...)

>> Just another news administrator,
>> Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
>
>TDO (who is *not* a news administrator, and thinks Ellen's response sounded
>more than a little bit testy...)

Testy?  I'm not going to apologize for stating a fact.  Would you prefer
"maybe, perhaps, it's just a wee tiny bit bogus" ?

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
From: zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Norwich in Pink Paper
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester


The following appeared on page 3 of the September 6th edition of _The
Pink Paper_, and is quoted without permission (so sue me):

== Begin Quote ==

                Bisexuals out and about and in conference
                =========================================

                              by Pam Mason

The recurring myth that "bisexual" means "married man who likes to
dabble" was given another jolt at Norwich last weekend.  Bisexuals who
gathered together at the tenth National Bisexual Conference discovered
that their ranks include transexuals, people who like group sex,
celibates, political activists, sadomasochists, body piercers and
potential novelists.

Over two hundred bisexuals, half men and half women, as well as
friends, non-bisexual partners and allies spent three days going to
workshops on every aspect of bisexuality and bisexual life.  A
bisexual benefit, hosted by Bob Boyton and Neil Hudson, raised money
for the increasing number of bisexual helplines throughout the country

Press interest in the Norwich event was unprecedented.  Reporters
attended from the Guardian, the Sunday Express and Radio Norfolk.
Linda Semple of the London Lesbian and Gay Switchboard attended in
response to bisexual criticism of her organisation and there were
representatives from ACT-UP (AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power) and the
Health Education Authority, often criticised for its ineffective HIV
campaigning targetted at bisexuals.

Organisers Alison and Giles, who also run the Bifrost newsletter, told
the Pink Paper: "We were overwhelmed by how many people turned up this
year.  It was good that people felt relaxed enough to cross-dress or
wear SM gear, to behave in a remarkably free way."

Next year's conference, for Britain's estimated five million
bisexuals, will be organised by the Nottingham Bisexual Group.


== End Quote ==

I thought that it was remarkably neutral, considering the fact that
it's in Andrex^H^H^H^H^H^H The Pink Paper.  That's all the comment I'm
going to make (I don't get paid to have opinions on these matters) -
I'm really just posting this FYI.

Colin

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
   ... Blatantly Bisexual ...     | B3/4 f+ c g+(+) k(+) r s
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:09:02 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club


 pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.144354.3491@sci.kun.nl>, janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf) writes:
>> In fact, I've never understood why people would circumcise their
>> children for other than religious reasons (and even then, barely or not
>> at all, but that is probably related to my general outlook on
>> religions).
>
>Huh? There is a medical condition (something Latin, doubtless...Kay?)
>involving tightness of the foreskin: in those cases it has to be removed
>or excruciating agony will follow when an erection occurs. IMHO that is
>the only justification for removal, unless you are, as you say, an adherent
>of a religion which requires it.

 And, since you mention it.. <sfx: hand shoots into the air> I'll
refrain from going into the gory details, but let's just say there's
circumstances which can cause, ahem, a distinct feeling of amputation
in that area. So, due to being covered by parent's medical insurance, 
come almost exactly a fortnight from now, I will be bereft of said small 
piece of skin..

 <ulp>

 (don't know the medical name, though.)

-- 
Daniel Mitchell |fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu| 18, High St
     aka        |m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk          | Earls Colne
Fenthe Marten   |dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk| Essex CO6 2PA
                `---bisexual furry juggler----' ENGLAND
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Language is a virus (was: Various)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:44:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.035957.8818@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>C'mon, you like Laurie Anderson's rendition of language-as-virus. I just think
>Ted has a particularly unsuccessful mutation here. Or maybe it's not a virus,
>transmitting codes and self-replicating. Maybe it's cancer: the oncogenes are
>in full swing, and the bloated unspecialised cells are crowding out functional
>ones.

But it wasn't Laurie Anderson's notion originally, was it?  I've got a
hunch that it was William Burroughs, but I'm damned if I'm going to
go through all his writing just to check it out... oh well, maybe I
*am* damned... I'll let you know.

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
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From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:51:55 GMT


TDO wrote:
> Brad Booth wrote:
> > What I was trying to get across is that in all case *I've* seen
> > where there is a group of women and one man, that man gets ignored
> > because he tends to be more physical and sexually abrasive/rough.
> 
> Dear, how do you *know* why the man is being ignored? Have you gone around
> and asked each of the women present in such a group what her reasons were
> for ignoring him? Or are you making assumptions about their motivations
> without any direct knowledge of the specifics involved?

That's kind of a silly question... but the truthful answer is that my
wife told me.  Her female lovers have also told me the same information.
I've also been in the situation where I've been that one man.  I was
talking on the basis of what *I've* seen... if it contradicts what you've
seen, then so be it.  I'm sorry that I can't provide video/audio tapes,
book references or source material to back it up... so, you'll just have
to live with my interpretation.


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
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Subject: Re: Introduction
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:10:13 +1200
 <1992Aug23.203131.23186@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <25228@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1992Sep11.095757.20749@harlqn.co.uk>
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

>pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>"Kay got an erect penis back from Boots [photo processing]."

I suppose someone said this already but: WOW. I thought they only did photo's...

MOZ

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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.150031.2154@ecst.csuchico.edu> pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>In article <0k2pbv1v@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>of timetabling, so I got 'special tuition' from my Greek master.  Ended
>Oh, this is too precious.  Does  it mean you got to be blindfolded as
>well? ;-)

No, but my dear Classics teacher was quite well aware of the rich subtext
of humour which underlay our situation.  Dear old Plato (or "Butch", as
we used to refer to him) would have understood quite well the dynamics
of it all.

>>(I do have a natural bent for tongues) and enjoying it greatly.  Couple
>I'll let someone else deal with this line.  My, you set them up nicely
>Kay.

<blush> Now that one *was* accidental - serves me right for posting
after a largely-sleepless conference!

				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Post Norwich Blues
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:18:49 GMT

elee52@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bill Gammie) writes:

|Owen,
|     There's plenty of time for everything.  I find that
|making a commitment to go forward at whatever pace I find
|comfortable is a good way of doing things.  Take it easy
|and break it down into small steps (if I was more
|educated a quote from the Taoist classics would be
|appropriate here).

I agree.  I'm 35 and only just out (ish).  Feels good.  We all have our
own path to find.  You have a whole lifetime.

e-hug if wanted

Angi
--
"Crotch Parnership" as seen by Angi and Sara in Norwich
"I've got photos to prove it" Angi
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:40:51 GMT
Organization: News Addicts


>In article <2k2pbp9q@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>>Sara, I'm beginning to wonder...  "pipe", of course, is obvious: a French
>>for "blowjob" (I'm assured) is "faire un(e) [damn those genders and the
>>missing Larousse!] pipe",

Hell, I wish I had a better memory; have I been going around talking
about blowjobs?  Sounds most out of character, I mean I'm far too
innocent.  Must've been a different kind of pipe ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:49:23 GMT

In <1992Sep2.124520.10393@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

>I guess what I had in mind was that the two parties would agree that
>abortions should be legal, but then they'd argue about whether there
>should be national health insurance, etc.  You're right that a right
>to an abortion don't mean shit if you can't pay for it.

Sorry for being curt about this, but I'm trying to post it quickly.

Comment #1:  Well then move to New Jersey where the constitution says
that the state government must fund pregnancy care for women that can't
afford it.  A court case decided that abortions are covered by that.

Comment #2:  Actually, if abortion wasn't an issue then the issue would
most likely revert to passing the ERA.  A friend of mine knows Operation
Rescue's Randell Terry and claims that he really isn't into it for the
"save the life of a baby" aspect, but he believes that if women can get
abortions on demand, they're more likely to be able to maintain jobs.
To him, banning abortion is just a way to keep women out of the
workforce.  He honestly believes that women just plain shouldn't work.
Yes it's the ultimate sexism which we all thought didn't exist anymore
in this country: women in the workforce.   This is the real issue behind
the anti-abortion movement.  Keep women pregnant and they can't be
political, be powerful, create change, etc.

It keeps me awake at night.

Tom
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PIG8/5    language for the Lord Jesus Christ, then it's good enough for me!"
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:25:49 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <37651@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:

>In my brief visit to Walse in June the locals were 'complaining'
>about the heat. I think it was about 80 a the most.

Hey - 80 is hot. I start moaning about the heat when it hits about 80 and I
become very unhappy and start looking for air conditioning around 90. My
next car will definitely have air conditioning, which seriously restricts my
choices here in the UK. When I inquired about performance cars with air con
the salesmen looked at me as if I was crazy. The answer was "but sir, you
only get air conditioning on luxury executive saloons and even then it's an
optional extra". Sigh. I got the same sort of answer when I asked about
cruise control, which I only want because my right foot falls off after
about an hour and a half. Oh dear, I've rambled again :-).

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: looking for ideas
From: LEVINO@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:01:48 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

Hi: this will be the second post. This time from a different
    server (let see if will work :) ).
The peoples from the local BGALA group are looking for
ideas for the next coming out day. The ideas need to stress
the "B" word from the name of the group.
 
          Any input will be welcome. Thanks
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:11:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <X972qB12w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabe
th Holden) writes:

>There are pockets of times and places where homosexuality and bisexuality
>were popular and fashionable.  They tend to be skipped over in school
>texts books, though - you have to look at the sources for them.
>
>Which reminds me of the Latin text where the Catullus like "iocumdum os
>oculosque suaviabor" - "I will kiss your happy mouth and eyes", addressed
>to his friend/lover Veranius, is footnoted by the Ontario Board of
>Education with the note that men in Roman times tended to be more
>demonstrative than men in Canada today.
>
>Right.

I keep coming across attempts by upset critics to "set the record straight":
How about this from A. L. Rowse on Shakespeare's Sonnet 20:
    "This crucial sonnet gives the key to the nature of Shakespeare's love for
    the young man, and shows that it was not homosexual.  He does not want to
    possess him physically: he is defeated by Southampton's being of the male
    sex.  If only he were a woman, as he is like one in his youthful
    appearance, Shakespeare repines!....It is not worth commenting on the vast
    amount of nonsense this sonnet has given rise to, when it is perfectly
    clear what it says and what it means."

Homosexual Panic! Homosexual Panic!  Steady on, A. L.!
If you want some *real* homosexual sonnets, though, check out the 20 sonnets
in Richard Barnfield's Cynthia.  They're not pornographic, but quite the most
erotic sonnets I have ever encountered:
    "His lips, ripe strawberries, with Nectar, wet...."

    <sigh>

Simon.

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 08:52:39 EDT

osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:

> Sometimes I wonder if I was born a few hundred (or thousand) years too
> late by accident. There are various times in history when the situation
> for transvestites looks to have been a lot better than it is now. Of
> course this may be superficial, plus you probably needed to be noble or
> rich or both then.
> 
> Owen.


Probably if you were the average Frenchman of Henri III's reign you'd 
have had as hard a time of it then as now, or worse.  (Improved 
communication makes for increased opportunities for sympathetic 
socialization).  

And Henri himself didn't necessarily have an "easy" time of it.  Being 
Catherine de Medici's son must have been a real pain.  He lost a woman he 
loved very much and I think he was assassinated in the end..... I seem to 
remember something about a lost boyfriend too, but I might be confusing 
him with Louis XIII.  It's a while since I read this stuff seriously.

Besides, he ended up assassinated, as I recall.

Never a dull moment in this universe.....

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Xref: sparky soc.bi:12303 alt.polyamory:1206
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Our heroes!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 10:41:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep14.192738.4232@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
->Geraldo:  I think Jane brought a cheering section there in the first two
->rows.  We'll talk to them later.  People wearing buttons are always
->plants, I know that now.  But, Jane, how would you describe yourself?

These were the last lines I read ...

It's wrong to make a decision based on only the first what, 2 minutes of an
hour-long show? I know it is ... 

He just seems so obnoxious, rude, offensive, and monosexist, I didn't really
feel like reading further ... did it get any better? Did he?

Thank God I didn't see the show ... 

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