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From: ddozier@daled.unet.com (Dale Dozier)
Subject: Re: Price Club Bikes?
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:10:26 GMT

In article <67017@cup.portal.com> Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Price Club sells "Motiv" brand mountain bikes.  I'm looking at the $199.00 
>>Stonegrinder model for light biking on trails.  Can anyone provide input 
>>good or bad on these bikes?
>
>Avoid department store bikes at all costs!!! Typically these bikes have their
>compononents put together poorly. Spend an extra $50 at a good bike store and
>you will receive a much higher quality product. Additionally, most bike
>shops offer free tune-ups after the first month or two.

  Were not talking $50 but $200-300 for comparable bikes at the price club.
The one I bought I was able to put together and ride in about an hour
and that included SIS rapid fire instalation and adjustment. After
1500 miles I have not have to touch anything on this bike and I and
very picky. It is one thing to consider though, if you are not mechanically
inclined and do not want to work on your own bike it may be worth
paying $200-$300 more for your bike. Even still a bike shop would 
setup a bike for about $50 no matter where you bought it and most
mainatence/adjustments can be done for $5-$10.

-Dale
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:54:32 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1992Sep30.155052.7143@newscan.canada.sun.com> andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.Com (Andre Giroux # let me outta here) writes:

>What I am about to say maybe offending to some riders but it remains a true fact.
>bicycles do not belong on heavy traffic roads. A nice ride in the country is the real
>road bike use. streets are for cars. I understand bicycle is a mean of transport for
>a lot of people. Bicycles sould be used on bike roads.

I agree. We should eliminate heavy traffic roads from cities, 
because they are a common nuisance, a hazard, and completely
unnecessary, and replace them with bike roads. Heavy roads
should be used only for long distance transport.

-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: Environmental Studies School <ssu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: 26 Sep 92 00:38 PDT
Subject: New world speed record set!
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1449700042:000:908
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ssu    Sep 26 00:38:00 1992



6:55 PM, Sept. 22, 1992
San Luis Valley, Colorado

A new world speed record for the flying start 200 meter event has been
set by Coors Light pro cyclist Chris Huber, in the Dexter Hysol
"Cheetah".

The new record is 68.72 mph (110 kph).

The "Cheetah" is a 29.5 pound, fully enclosed recumbent made primarily
of carbon fiber. It was designed and built by Jon Garbarino, Kevin
Frantz, and James Osborn. Sponsors included Dexter Hysol, Campagnolo,
Coors, Supracor, and Continental.

The record attempt was sanctioned by the International Human Powered
Vehicle Association (IHPVA);  Brian Wilson and Robert Sainato were present
as the official IHPVA observers.

The previous record of 65.48 mph was established in 1986 at Mono
Lake, California by Fred Markham, riding the Easy Racers "Gold Rush".

---
Brian Wilson          bwilson@zippy.sonoma.edu
Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA 94928
707/664-2182
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Is there a way to post to rec.bicycles
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:52:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep30.050348.22747@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>,
micro19@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (A Techno-Discordian) wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to post to rec.bicycles using e-mail.  Mailing to the address
> ucbvax.berkeley.edu did not work.

try rec-bicycles@cs.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey)
Subject: High beam problems (was Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists)
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:29:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.145441.5903@pixel.kodak.com> bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon) writes:
>
>  (Now, if I can just find a mongo spotlight to blink in drivers' eyes when
>  they refuse to turn down their high beams at night, then I'd be truly
>  happy...)

It may be hard while riding, but you may be able to use your
rear view mirror to bounce it back into their eyes.

-- 
Pete Hickey               | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "If a vegetarian eats
Communication Services    |   or (if desperate)     |  vegatables, then what
University of Ottawa      | petehic@uottawa.bitnet  |  does a humanitarian
Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 564-7646         |  eat?"
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23012 rec.bicycles.tech:1080 rec.bicycles.soc:474
From: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: BIKE SWAP, DAVIS CA 10/11/92
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:15:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu


 On Sunday 10/11 the Davis Bike Club will be holding a bike swap. This is a good
 opportunity to sell used bicycle parts and accessories that you have laying aro
und or to get a good deal on used (and some new stuff as well) equipment and bic
ycles. If you have stuff to sell then show up at 8:30 a.m. and we'll help you se
t things up. The swap runs from 9:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. The location is the Veteran'
s Memorial at 203 E. 14th St. in Davis, California.

For additional information please call Ben or Steve at (916) 758-0643. Please do
 not respond to this E-mail address. See you there. 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: roads & inconsiderate motorists
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:27:51 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:25:49 GMT
>FROM:   Ron Feigen <ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com>
[material deleted]
>>>... whether you personally had 
>>>actually had any success in getting DAs and such to do anything about 
>>>motorist misbehavior. If so, it would be interesting, and 
>>>useful, to hear the story.
>[material deleted]
>...  A friend had a hit/run in (auto-auto) in a parking lot.  She called
>the police and they when to the offending drivers house and checked the car for
>rubbed off paint.

This *is* depressing. So far I've seen exactly one, count 'em, one, 
story of constructive police behavior -- and it turns out that that one 
was because a *car* was hit (if I've correctly understood the post 
quoted above).

--Michael Smith
  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:06:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.081814.2260@cs.hw.ac.uk> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk writes:
>
>My daily journey is 9km each way, round-trip time of 30 minutes.

Mine is only 10 km / day with little elevation change.  The trip takes me
about 30 min/day in good weather (it has been 1.5 hours in winter ie walking
one way).  On my racing bike its about 20 min/day.  But I could not afford
to loose the bike and it has no rack or lights.  My junker has been holding
together for over 1 year.  The only major problem is things rusting together
so well that I can't service them and, ofcourse, the useless brakes on a bike
with steel wheels.  Right now I am coverting it to remove all cable housings.
Hopefully I will have more than 1 brake and 1 gear this winter  :-(
For the statistically enamored: The trip includes 7 turns and 7 stop lights
each way.

Do I shower?  Of course not.  When I get home I simply get on my good bike 
for a few hours and then I shower.  The only showers at this school are over
in the physical activities complex (about 7 min walk from my office).  I
usually at 7:00am in the winter and 6:30 in the summer so its still fairly 
cool.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Although it is not mentioned explicitly in the reports, there is a
circumlocution of the perpetrators mental stability.  From all that I
have read, this young man is not "all there" in that he is not
entirely accountable for his actions.  It seems he lacks judgment and
self assurance and that what he does is largely swayed by the gang of
younger guys with whom he likes to associate and gain acceptance.  It
seems that these are the culprits behind his actions that put him up
to proving his machismo.

The report stated that these youths could not be charged because
there was no evidence directly connecting them with the incident other
than their presence in the car.  Hit and run cannot burden others in
the vehicle unless they actively hinder the reporting of the incident.
Also, it was brought out that the Mr. Wray (the driver) was in a class
for youths with learning disability.  I presume that he is a marginal
imbecile who by himself is not dangerous but when manipulated by others
can be lead to do grotesque things.

It is probably more a case of his guardians who probably also furnish
him his car and other support, are more at fault for not recognizing
that he is easily manipulated and that the crowed with which he
associates is up to no good.  I have experienced this sort of trouble
in grade school where such a dimwit was used to do stupid things in
the classroom for the amusement of his peers and the dismay of the
teacher.  It is a cruel way to get a laugh.  In this case it was at
the bicyclists expense as well.

I am not so quick to judge the court, especially when no evidence is
presented that there was prejudice.  In light of what I perceive from
the results, I see no major error in the outcome.  Revenge is no good
for anyone but only adds to the misfortune.  I think this is a lesson
not learned by people everywhere whether in Yugoslavia, Somalia, or
California.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: r.g.olsen@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding with Suspension
Keywords: it's fun!
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:04:39 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

I've been riding with a Manitou suspension fork since March.
Here's my advice:

1. Use a zip-tie on one of the fork legs to measure fork travel;
   you can see how much sag you have and if you are getting full
   fork travel on the big hits. This will let you fine-tune
   the fork for your weight and riding style.
   You don't want the fork to be too stiff or too soft.

2. Run higher air pressure in the front tire (about 5 psi more)
   to minimize pinch flats.

3. I still try to steer around obstacles when I can, instead
   of plowing straight over them.
   If you're racing, this may not be the fastest method.

4. If there is no line in really rocky downhill terrain:
   keep your weight back, keep a firm grip on the
   bars to keep the wheel straight, use the brakes sparingly,
   and plow on through.

5. Handle drop-offs by keeping your weight way back,
   since there will be some front-end dive until the fork
   rebounds.

6. On really big obstacles, like logs or sharp rocks,
   I lift the front wheel.  Push down, then lift.
   This helps prevent pinch flats and endos.

7. Play with your fork to see what it can do.
   Try riding directly into a curb at low speed
   without lifting the wheel.  Try again, this time lifting
   the wheel.  I use both techniques, depending on the situation.

8. I only have experience with the Manitou fork;
   other forks may require different techniques.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:44:17 GMT
Subject: Hit and Run (the results)
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

From the "Times Tribune"...

Hit-and-run teen driver is given two years for injuring bicyclist

by Kerry McCray

The Redwood City man convicted of hitting and severely injuring a
bicyclist with his car and then leaving the scene was committed to two
years in a youth prison.

Driver Dwane Wray, 19, hit a Woodside resident Mark Anolik, a
professional bicyclist, head-on June 29 on Skyline Boulevard and fled.

Wray returned home along the same route and saw the victim lying on
the side of the road, but he did not stop or call police, according to
California Highway Patrol officer.

Anolik, 26, recovering from severely broken legs, wheeled his
wheelchair into San Mateo County Superior Court wearing shorts,
revealing a crisscross of scars on hi swollen left leg.

He told the court a prison sentence wouldn't make up for his physical
and emotional pain, according to his attorney. "Nobody can ever give
him his life back," Serrato said.  "He may never be able to ride
again."

Wray's court-appointed attorney, Bill Johnston, said his client is
remorseful.  Wray, a former special education student in high school,
has developmental disabilities that impair his ability to make
decisions, Johnston said.  "I don't believe he's a malicious, callous,
bad person." Johnston said.  "He's easily swayed by his peers."

Traveling with friends in his Pontiac Firebird, Wray turned off his
headlights in the fog as a joke moments before drifting across the
center line and hitting Anolik, CHP Officer Richard Giovando testified
in the preliminary hearing.

About 15 minutes later, Wray saw the victim lying on the side of the
road while returning home but did not stop or call police, Giovando
said.  Wray later had car trouble and pulled to the side of the road,
removing a piece of clothing with flesh from the front end of his car,
Giovando said.  Giovando testified that Wray joked to his friends,
"There is Spandex with meat on my car."

According to Serrato, Wray's friends urged Wray to stop and report the
crime, but Wray refused.

A judge set bail for Wray at $1 million in early July, an unusually
high amount.  Typical bail for a hit-run accident is $10,000.  But the
judge reduced bail to $25,000 early last month saying that although
the crime was "egregious," $1 million bail was excessive.

Anolik left Stanford University Hospital last month after a series of
leg reconstruction operations.  He has returned to his Woodside home
to continue recovering from chest and leg injuries.  It is not clear
if Anolik will be able to ride a bicycle again.  Serrato said.

END of article

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: geoffo@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Geoff Oakley)
Subject: Re: VO2 and cycling shoes vs running shoes
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:34:50 GMT

Any sort of cycling shoe has a good stiff sole and a shape that slips
easily into a toe clip and strap.  Soft-soled shoes over any distance
are a real pain.  Wide-soled running shoes make getting to clips and
straps difficult, the side of the sole often rubs against the crank.

Any sort of cleat makes it easier to pedal `circles'.  That is, you
have more of the pedal stroke to use (without having to worry about
keeping you foot on the pedal).  It specially makes sprinting and
climbing easier, but it also helps late in the day when you are tired
and the pedal just follows you foot around.

`Clipless' pedals have their own advantages, depending on the cleat
and shoe used.  Typically:
  + toes not crushed by toestrap
  + more lateral movement available than traditional cleats
  + many shoes/cleats are easier to walk in than traditional cleats
  + easier to get out of pedal


[Is this a serious discussion, or did someone just toss it in for a laugh?]

geoff o

--

	       geoffo@cse.unsw.edu.au
Geoff Oakley:  CS & E, UNSW, PO Box 1, Kensington, NSW 2033, Australia
	       Phone: +61 2 697 4043	Fax: +61 2 313 7987
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:742 rec.bicycles:22926
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Usenet readership
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:35:31 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

>This is about what I expected except that I thought r.b.marketplace
>would be more popular than r.b.misc.  I would guess that quite a few
>people subscribe to .misc thinking that it really is "miscellaneous"
>and they don't want to miss anything.
>



Les Earnest writes:
>I also note that rec.bicycles readership is down substantially (from
>something like 75k), which indicates that quite a few people are
>electing to subscribe just to the more specific groups and skipping
>the residual hodge-podge.

Or that things are so scrambled now that it's not worth the effort.

If you assume that everyone subscribes to an average of three of the
new groups (low I suspect), you get a total readership < 20k for the new
groups.  That's a lot less than 75k.

"According to the latest official figures, 43% of all statistics are
totally worthless."  Or as Disraeli said: "There are three kinds of lies:
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics."


>This is about what I expected except that I thought r.b.marketplace
>would be more popular than r.b.misc. 

Nobody can figure out what r.b.marketplace is for.  Is it just for
selling shoes and freewheels?  That seems to be the most popular
interpretation, and one which makes sense:  "r.b.marketplace" for most
people means "this IS a marketplace", not "this is a forum for discussing
the vagaries of the world-wide bicycling marketplace."  It looks as if
that is the interpretation that is going to stick.

Followups to new.groups.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Frame refinishing suggestions wanted.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:43:24 GMT


You might check around the local body shops and find a good painter.  I have
heard of places that will hang you bike in a booth with a car that is getting
the same color for about $10.  You will have to look around.  The shop might
also have a dipping tank to remove all the old paint and clean the inside
of the tubes, as well as providing protective coating of the insides of
the tubes.  

With all the paint removed, you will get a better paint job, esp. around
the lugs.  Painting a frame yourself is not hard, as long as you take your
time a do a good job.

If however you have more money than time, the opposite of me (grad. student)
and you would not recieve emotional satisfaction for your many hours spent
on frame-prep, send it away!  June or July issue of Bicycling had an article
about various frame painters. ( One company even does a road kill paint job,
with blood splatters and real clumps of cat hair under the clear coat )
From: mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Cold-Weather Footgear
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:20:34 GMT
Organization: Pomona College


	After cycling through three of the Northeast's winters (recently with
less snow, but still cold), I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to come
up with some _serious_ cold-weather footgear, not just modifications to summer
shoes...  What with helmet liners, helmets themselves, ski-derivative gloves,
etc., my feet are my last great frontier of comfort...
	Has anyone ever attempted to screw on some look cleats to the bottom
of a pair of cross-country ski boots?  Dorky and freddish-looking, I know,
but I think I'll try it next year...

__
Mark Hespenheide
mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 19:44:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 15731@cbnewse.cb.att.com, pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
> 
> When I advocate bike commuting around here (in Illinois, USA), one of the
> things people seem to worry about is "how do I take a shower after I ride
> to the office?".  Well, we do have limited shower facilities here, but I've
> never used it since I have never found it necessary.  By dressing properly
> for the weather and allowing a cool-down portion towards the end of my ride,
> I can usualy arrive without being drenched in perspiration.  Perhaps I'm just
> lucky that I don't sweat as much as most people, but I suspect in many parts
> of the world, especailly the developing countries where bikes outnumber cars,
> showering is not even an option for bike commuters.
> 
> So, my question to those who live in other parts of the world: do you find
> showering facilities a big issue in bike commuting?  Is that more important
> than, say, better parking facilities and safer routes?
> ==
> Peter Chen
> pwyc@ihspa.att.com


I shower after a commute primarily because we have use of showers.
What I do is often drive in with the bike, ride home, and ride in
the next morning. This allows me to bail if the weather turns
real crappy, or be able to drive to a meeting, etc. 
For the ride home, I'll skip the shower afterwards for the most
part. Coming in the next morning, I'll just get up, eat, and go.
When I've arrived, I have clothes ready. Having ridden 60+ miles
over 2 days between showers, if I couldn't shower at work, that 
would put a major crimp on my bike commuting.


John
From: dschwepk@samson.hac.com (Daniel Schwepker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: dschwepk@samson.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Training Incorporated, WCO


David Yon mentioned "a quick sponge bath with a soapy facecloth in the bathroom and
a change of clothes works quite well."

Concerning the change of clothes, how can a change of clothes (say dress pants, 
shirt, tie) be carried on a bike without getting badly wrinkled?

--
Daniel Schwepker

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: wm@uni-paderborn.de (Wolfgang Mueller)
Subject: FAX No. of Bike Store in Pittsburgh needed !!
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:52:45 GMT

I'll be in Pittsburgh this month trying to get a bike trailer for my
kids (Burley D'Lite) back to Germany. In order to be sure that I can
get one by sure I would like to order it in advance. Is there anybody
out who can send me the FAX No. and address of a Pittsburgh PA bike
store selling Burley??

Thank you in advance.
       wolfgang
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Bikecentennial
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:23:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Does anybody know if Bikecentennial is still operating?

Over a month ago I sent a check for some information, and the
check was cashed, but I never received the information.

: