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From: debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ginsberg deborah)
Subject: Illyana's Powers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:01:20 GMT


I like Dan L's suggestion about Illyana's true power being the "magic"
armor.  I always thought her power as presented didn't make much sense.
She just happens to have the power to be able to use the Limbo's teleport
disks?  Why?  Do the Rasputins have some past link to the Limbo dimension
that would manifest in later generations?  What would be cool was if she
had the ability to activate any teleport device - just the one she happend
to be around at the right time was in Limbo.  So she could do things like
control Nightcrawler's teleport.

If the armor thing is correct, then she also seems to have the ability
to let others use the armor.  I've never been quite sure how Kitty was
able to wear it - or if others could also wear Illyana's armor.
 
Cool armor, though.  Especially as drawn by BS.

On the side, I'd love to see Illyana come back - the teen-ager variation.
If she would join up w/ Kitty again, it could lead to some interesting
Excalibur stories.
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Subject: Re: The Canonical X-Factor Dangling Plotlines List
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:32:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>Most of the danglers lists may be in limbo somewhere, but _this_ one is not.
>I would dearly like to see the X-Men dangler lists in some form, but until
>then, you have this one to peruse.

Good.

>#67: The future city on page 6 looks like it's much farther advanced than
>just one generation from now, thus further complicating the question of
>who Askani is.

It's also, if the point needs to be made, not the by-now "official" MU
future of 2099.

"Wow! A time machine!... hold on, let me synchronize my watch."
        --Richard Darwin
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From: lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
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Subject: Re: Insults on X-Men
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:28:39 -0500
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In article <BvDLs5.3Dq@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v083lmh8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Fred @ UB) writes:
>
>	I've been hearing many insults on the mutant books.  These insults 
>happen to make me feel nauseated.  I've been reading the mutant titles since the
>age of nine.  People who request the mutant titles to be cancelled or just say
>'They Suck', are hypocrites.  You know you'll never give these titles up so just
>quit and keep on reading.  Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride (sometimes its
>rough and sometimes its the best).

Right.  You KNOW that the people who buy them and bitch are only buying them
so they'll have something to bitch ABOUT!  (IE X-Force #1, X-Men #1A-1E, ad
infinitum, ad nauseum...)

>						The Man (A Loyal Fan)

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
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"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: Cable #2
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:08:23 GMT
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In <168721421C.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

> Has this already come out?  I never saw it in my local comics store, and since
> the other books in the X-Cutioner's Song haven't sold out yet, I'm wondering
> if I missed it or it's just late.
>  
>  
>  
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>  
Yeah, what's up with #2? Wasn't the mini-series supposed to lead us straight
into the X-over?   Seems kinda late for that now that it's allready started...
...or...
        maybe
             ...maybe that was the plan all the time!. After all, Cable *IS*
capable of time travelling :^)

			-Mika
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April)
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:25:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.040310.2092@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <18546.2ac47a45@ecs.umass.edu> masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan) writes:
>>
>>I was wondering about this.  You say they did mention that she hadn't been 
>>exposed to the mist?  Could anyone fill me in on this?  I just figured it
>>had never been mentioned.  And isn't there still a chance she'll 
>>manifest powers after puberty?
>
>According to the Attilan geneticists, Luna has no natural powers.  She's
>a normal human.  In Thing #3, Quicksilver wanted to expose Luna to the
>Terrigen Mist, to give her powers, but Crystal wanted Luna to not have
>powers.  She enlisted the Thing's help to convince Quicksilver not to
>subject Luna to the Mist.  Quicksilver is finally convinced by Lockjaw,
>who ACTUALLY SPEAKS for the first time in this issue.  So, Luna hasn't
>been exposed to the Terrigen Mist, and has no powers.  All clear?

But didn't Quicksilver make mention in an issue of X-Factor that the bit 
with Lockjaw talking was some kind of joke?  I vaguely remember reading this
and as Obscure Trivia Lad (tm--maybe I should be Trademark Kid :-)) you of
all people should be able to tell me if I remember this correctly.  What I
_do_ remember of it is Pietro talking about practical jokes, and trailing
off with some line about the joke he and someone else pulled off on Ben
Grimm, to make him think Lockjaw could talk.  Hmmm....PAD, do you remember
this?  

The Walrus
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From: merricb@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (The ELF)
Subject: Re: Cable #2
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:00:48 GMT

MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf) writes:

>In <168721421C.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>> Has this already come out?  I never saw it in my local comics store, and since
>> the other books in the X-Cutioner's Song haven't sold out yet, I'm wondering
>> if I missed it or it's just late.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>Yeah, what's up with #2? Wasn't the mini-series supposed to lead us straight
>into the X-over?   Seems kinda late for that now that it's allready started...
>...or...
>        maybe
>             ...maybe that was the plan all the time!. After all, Cable *IS*
>capable of time travelling :^)

From the recent X-ecutioner's Song episodes, it seems like CABLE #1 comes
before XEC-1 (UXMEN) and after XEC-4 (XFORCE). Cable says something
about "rest & relaxation" in XFORCE and that sort of is similar to what
he was doing at the end of CABLE #1.

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From: lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
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Subject: Re: Mutant Review -- X-Force #16 (Spoilers, probably)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:14:26 -0500
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In article <1992Sep28.205524.14073@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, William.P.Dorris@dartmouth.edu (William P. Dorris) writes:
>In article <1a68glINNhb0@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu>
>lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>> Art: Greg Capullo, Harry Candelario - Capullo did a good job of rendering
>>         our mutant heroes here... he'll make a good regular on X-Force!
>>         (He started out pencilling the New Warriors, if I remember >correctly.
>Actually, he started out on Quasar, Mark Bagley did New Warriors (minor
>nitpick! :))

No problem... my collecting was very limited to begin with, and I never bought
the titles you just mentioned.  (Although I HAVE read back ishes of Quasar that
belong to a friend of mine... how could I forget that?!?)

>> Nicieza actually held with continuity AND Shatterstar's personality
>> development, where his patter with Wolverine was concerned.  It's too bad
>> 'Star's dead.  Or IS he?  >:)
>How will they ever have the mojoworld stories that were talked about in
>Xforce annual 1?

Whatever happened to the much-vaunted Longshot unlimited series?  Or the much-
awaited (by ME, anywho) Fallen Angels vol.2??  *shrug*...

> Who knows.  Then again, isn't shatterstar supposed to
>have some sort of healing factor?  I vaguely remember one from New
>Mutants 100 (also where he appears to stab through himself.

Then again, who DOESN'T have a healing factor nowadays?  :(

>> Siryn vs. Madrox: anyone who's kept up with X-Factor knows WHY Jamie
>> claimed to not know anything of the Fallen Angels, but when he reabsorbed
>> the "evil" Jamie, didn't he GET those memories?  Besides, the two of them
>> had been on Muir Isle LONG before the Fallen Angels existed...
>I'm wondering the same thing.  He said something like "what exactly
>have we shared?" and at the end of the comic looks at siryn's
>unconscious body with this weird sad expression.

You noticed that too?  I didn't mention that, 'cos I thought that I was goin'
screwy...

>> Hmm... somebody was nitpicking the use of the word "the" in the phrase
>> "-- the X-Men's Blackbird craf silently touches down --"... what was
>> the gripe?
>I think its because the X men have more than one blackbird, although I
>don't know for sure.

Someone else told me this via e-mail (I believe the original poster of the
article I ragged on... sorry about that!)... only, I don't remember where
it was mentioned that they HAD two SR-71s!  (I was assuming that the craft
in west Texas was an X-Factor vehicle... )

>Will Dorris

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"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
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	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
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From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (bart -Laz- Smith)
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Subject: Magik of the New Mutants (Was Re: post)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 03:57:22 -0500
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MY theory worked like this:  Magik/Darkchilde was the Illyana that came
from the timeline that the doomed X-Men and Storm came from... Illyana
(the younger version) is the SAME one that Kitty lost in the first place.
She still has the mutant capabilities, but has yet to become corrupted, 
and hopefully won't...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
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Subject: Re: General Ideas
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BvCL26.MIv
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <90802@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes:

>Maybe I should have made myself more clear.  I have only bought one issue of
>X-Force...the first one.  That was a mistake and I never bought one again
>until the recent issue. 

I bought a total of four issues, including the first one, before
realizing that it wasn't going to get any better for a long time... (I
shredded them and mailed them to Bob Harras with a letter that doesn't
have a snowball's chance of being printed...)  I did look briefly at the
later issues in the store, though, but they still sucked.  #16,
however... that was completely different, and I actually paid for an
issue for the first time in many months.  I bought it because it was an
important part of the maga-crossover, but was surprised at the writing
quality... there now exists a possibility that I might continue buying
Xforce after the X-cutioner's song ends.

> I did look at it in the store (after all, one can't
>rag about a book without knowing what to rag on).

Thank the gods for managers who understand that "you read it, you buy
it" is not a good idea! :)

>Now if Cable leaves the team and Feral dies

agreed... those characters have absolutely no personality.

>Fabian Nicienza isn't that bad a writer..I did like some of his PsiForce (NewU)
>issues and the New Warriors aren't that bad.  I think he could recapture some
>of the magic that the New Mutants had.

I suppose he's the best qualified to handle them right now (unless
Claremont comes back!).
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (NNR Czar)
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 20:30:52 EDT

In article <Bv8MCC.9v8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) writes:
 
>
>I know it's been mentioned, but I can't remember where for the life of me.  I
>think it was in an issue of the Thing's own comic.  I seem to remember Ben
>helping Crystal prevent Quicksilver from exposing Luna to the Mists.  Seems
>Pietro was upset because his child was "only human."
>
Yes, in the X-Factor issue where the geneticist was killed by the MLF, Pietro
refused to join the battle against them, because the doctor, by helping detect
the mutant gene, was opening up the possibility of abortion of mutant
babies.  (Oops, sorry PAD.  I meant "removal of the mutant gene")  When Val
took him to task over this, he remarked that when Luna was born, he considered
her a "mutant" because she didn't have any powers.  Pietro said that at the
time, he felt that it would have been better for her to never have been born
than to live as a "freak".
 
This dispute, according to Pietro, was part of what drove Crystal away.
Now, he misses the two of them, and will probably never see Luna grow up.
In one of the most poignant lines in comics, Pietro says, "Makes you
wonder who the real freak in the family is."
 
I just wanted to say: Well done, PAD.
 
 
 
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
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Subject: Re: Non-Mutants (was Re: Spiderman ...)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:49:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20748
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I speculated that they
>were going to modify their definition of mutant from that of the
>traditional one (random change in the genetic code which usually results
>in death) to one where mutant powers arose in much the same way as birth
>defects except that, in the Marvel Universe, humans have a mutant gene
>that is triggered.  (I seem to recall reading in a Marvel Universe
>article or two about the Kree performing experiments on pre-humans
>which, somehow, resulted in mankind's potential to produce "mutants".)

That would be the Celestials, King Kirby's last parting gift to Marvel
(saving, of course, DEVIL DINOSAUR! WHEEE!). The Kree experiments were made
in an attempt to:
	a.	Duplicate the Celestial experiments
	b.	Create a master slave race for Kree exploitation,
		for, I would suppose, in their war against the Skrulls

In any case, the experiment wasn't as successful as the Celestials'
tinkering, and all the Kree ended up with were the Inhumans, whom they
largely thought were worthless, and left behind in Attilan. See the Lockjaw
thread now running in a r.a.c.x. near you for more on Inhumans, Terrigen
Mist, and other fun stuff. However, it should be noted that the experiments
with the Psycho-Magnetron (which were, ultimately, responsible for Rogue
getting her extra powers) are also directly descended from the Kree's
interest in genetically manipulating humans.

>It turned out that years later an "article written by Hank McCoy"
>appeared in the Marvel Yearbook about mutations and Professor Xavier's
>studies in the field.  That seems to be Marvel's final word on the
>subject.  Did anyone else see that article?

Oh, I probably have it around somewhere. Remember, though, that Hank McCoy
is supposedly "one of the world experts" in the X-gene -- indeed, it was in
an attempt to isolate it and market it for Brand Co. that he exposed himself
to his own experiment and went from "retro-nerd" McCoy to "fuzzy-boy" McCoy.
Personally, I'd rank McCoy higher than Xavier on the X-factor biochemistry
side of knowledge, just under Moria McTaggert. <<PS -- was I the only one
annoyed by the way she just "popped in" during the Prof's examination in
the recent UX without any explanation for the trite and forced scene earlier
in X-Men where she just went psycho and ran out?>>.

All of them know far less than Maelstrom, but that goes without saying.

"I just metagirl named BlueGene."  -- MU version of Bowie
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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: X-Men Cartoon in Canada?
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Vilhelm Boggild)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:46:02 GMT

  Could anyone tell me what, if any, station will carry
the X-Men cartoon in Canada?  Will it be on Global (I think
they pick up stuff from FOX)?
  Any help will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Anshu Prasad
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
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Subject: Re: Just a thought
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:24:38 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
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In <0en_DHC00Uzx84G51W@andrew.cmu.edu> "Michael writes:

> >wrong person (Sunspot)).  This was an intriguing plot and now it's probably in
> >the trash.  Also, if it's Canball's rebirthrth then shouldn't he be more 
> >powerful?
> 
> Cannonball is more powerful now.  He has recently been able to expand
> his blast field to encompass as many as a dozen people.  I'd say that's
> a significant change.
> 
> 
> Compulsive Comic Kid
I think that Cannonball's resurrection doesn't have anything to do with his
power boost. It's training that did it. Remember back in the "kings of pain" 
cross-over when that guy from the New Warriors (merc? something like that..)
shot a rocket at X-force? Cannonball protected them all. And remember back
when Cable first started acting as their leader? he instructed Sam in using
his power in ways that Prof.X never did. (a bitch to admit, but Cable (as a 
character) *has* done something right.)
Cable also got Sam to learn how to blast silently. (apparently it used to make
a lot of noise)
			-Mika
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Time Travel
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:43:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence):
>Which leads us to the old puzzler:
>If you are in a car, travelling faster than the speed of light,
>and you turn your headlights on -- will they do anything?

Of course.  Relativity makes it clear that from the perspective of
the car, the light will travel forward at the speed of light.  Ignoring
superluminal effects, that is...

>Cycicism Kid,
>Master of Llap-Goch

Ah, the secret Welsh art of defeating enemies who don't know you exist!

-----
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  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:44:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

>The way I took the scene, was that the two were friends but never developed 
>the type of relationship that we think (or maybe Jamie wanted-hmmm).  Later
>on, after she's been captured and injured, Jamie is shown looking at her with
>a sorta "Gosh, maybe I do still care for her/ I hope she's ok look on his face.)

I liked the ending of X-Force #16 better than the rest of the story. It was
a really cool moment, with the X-Force people getting lead off in chains
by the "good guys" in X-Men and X-Factor. The looks you see people exchanging
were rather poignant. It's too bad they decided to water down Havok, though..
I figured at least *HE* might have the guts to say "Wolverine, you're a 
psycho and a killer. In the name of the U.S. Government, I'm taking you
in for attempted murder."  Instead, his "What do we do NOW? " wasn't
bad, but I do think it's majorly out of character for the people in
the X-Men and X-Factor not to be all over his ass about killing, since
that seemed to be their major objection to Cable, before they thought
he shot Baldy. Oh, wait, I'm asking for continuity of character!!!


Axly
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Subject: Re: Bishop
From: <ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 12:43:45 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <91623@netnews.upenn.edu>, dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick
McClue) says:
>
Marvel (well, in the X-Books that is) says that no one actually goes back (or
goes ahead) in his or her own timeline, but enters an alternate time...so any
changes could have taken place in another timeline.  Look at Rachel's story
and the various futures that the New Mutants saw when they went jaunting in
time with Magik.

      In that case then there could an infinite number of alternate realities.
 So then if Bishop's presence stops the betrayal thereby changing the past that
 creates another timeline. I take it then that bishops' timeline is different
 from Rachel's timelime and is different from Stryfe's timeline and is
 different from Sinister's timeline and is different from Cable's timeline and
  is..........etc. So then somewhere out there Franklin Richards never died
 and the Jean Grey/Pheonix never died and .......Etc.    Go figure...


  Al
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