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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #4
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:09:56 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Wed,  6 Jan 93       Volume 11 : Issue 4

Today's Topics:

      [*] Apple Press Releases 1/6/93
      (Q) Mac II Won't Startup!
      6.0.8L ????
      600 dpi 11x17 printers?
      A 7.0 Upgrade for a SE
      Apple CD300 external - should work with A/UX. Right?
      Background Printing
      Background printing of postscript files
      BBEdit 2.2 crashes when waking my PB160!
      Best Data Products fax modem
      Business Plan Master: Where?
      Classics and 7.1
      Clock in Moire ?
      clover-leaf
      command/clover leaf character
      e-mail address for ZTerm author
      ethernet and SCSI
      EtherNet Printing (Partial A)
      Ethernet vs. SCSI (r)
      Even more on Michel/Michele/Michelle
      Experience with Helix Express
      Express Modems (Q)
      fax-modem & powerbook ...
      File Types and Creators List
      Hard Disk Icon (A)
      How do I set up Mac-X for use of the 4Dwm on an SGI Indigo ?
      how to get command key character (& others)
      HP Scanjet IIc
      Impact Accelerator for LC (A)
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #2
      Info about OverVue -- alternative for System 7?
      LOOKING FOR PROGRAM
      Macintosh Easy Open PR
      MSMail and Internet
      New VD Support Policy (C)
      Non-Mac Keyboards
      Norton Partition (C)
      Other Mac Alternative Keyboards
      Problem printing with Classic
      QuickTime 1.5 and Simple Player 1.0a1
      Removable Drives?
      shameless plug for Reset DTDBs
      Shhh! is not functional
      Software companies vs. European consumers
      StyleWriter Cartridges (A & Q)
      StyleWriter mailing labels smearing?
      Symbolic Algebra Software - Resp. Summary
      System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts
      system installation over a network
      Type Manipulation (Q)
      Why does my hard drive spin for no reason?

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:06:31 PST
From: The Moderators <info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: [*] Apple Press Releases 1/6/93

Here are today's Apple press releases from AppleLink. The titles:

Apple Brings Color Printing Technology to Macintosh Users
Apple Announces New StyleWriter II Personal Printer and GrayShare
  Printer Software
Apple Unveils Collection of Color and Grayscale Imaging Products for
  Mainstream Macintosh Users
Apple Unveils ColorSync: Standardized Color Matching for Macintosh
Apple Unveils Color Scanner and New Ofoto 2.0 Image Capture Software
Apple Reduces Suggested Retail Prices on Selected Apple Imaging
  Products in the U.S.
Apple Introduces New Ergonomically Designed Keyboard and Mouse
Apple Introduces 600-dpi Workgroup Printers for Macintosh and Windows
  Computer Users

[Archived as /info-mac/report/apple-pr-imaging.hqx; 27K]

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:58:25 GMT
From: bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Brett Bobley)
Subject: (Q) Mac II Won't Startup!

Can anyone help?

I have an original Mac II (68020 CPU).  Lately, when I press the
startup key on the keyboard, it doesn't start up the first time.

Just today, it has now completely "died".  The startup key does nothing.
Also, the power on/off key in the back does nothing.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the old Mac II had
some kind of battery that powered the startup procedure.  Could
this battery have died on me?

(By the way, I've already tried swapping keyboards, ADB cables,
power cords, etc)

Brett Bobley
bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:45:30 +0100
From: karl@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Karl Pottie)
Subject: 6.0.8L ????

Regarding the Macintosh-IBM PC Comparison report ; it says:

"6.0.8L:  System 6 for new Macs that require System 7"

Where can I find 6.0.8L ? Is it on any of the developer's CDs ? Is it on
ftp.apple.com ?

Karl@uz.kuleuven.ac.be

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:03 CST
From: EXPONENT@ucs.uwplatt.edu
Subject: 600 dpi 11x17 printers?

Hey NetFolks,

  I have a department that is interested in buying a 600 dpi 11x17 laser
printer (preferably at an educational discount).  I am looking for suggestions
on brand, model, and where to buy.  Built-in localtalk, 8MB+ RAM, built-in
fonts, and scsi port (for font storage) are needed as well.
  I know many new models became available in the past few months at very nice
prices - If anyone has had any experience with specific ones, I'll take those
comments too.

Thanks a bunch.

!MarkMAD!  (Mark Dohm)
!University of Wisconsin - Platteville      !
!Apple Student Representative               !
!"Yup, that sounds like a problem alright." !

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Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:28:45EST
From: "Jeff Kline"  <egkline@befac.indstate.edu>
Subject: A 7.0 Upgrade for a SE

Hey Folks,
I have recently taken our department Mac SE up to 4 megs of ram and
i want to upgrade from sys 6.0.x to 7.0 (& tuneup 1.1.1).  The
memory is in and running fine.  I attempted
the upgrade to system 7.0 using my copy of the disks (from a
usergroup) and the Install did not work (It crashed about 1/2
of the way through).  The
Mac has only apple INITS and A Radius Full Page Display (including a
Radius Init) .  Are there any ideas regarding What is
causing the problem, could it be the Radius Card? Could it be the
Drivers on the HArd Disk. Could it be the HDI external 40 meg Hard
disk (maybe the driver?)? and Ideas.  When I upgraded My SE I had no
troubles and I use a lot of INITS and CPs.

Thanks

Jeff Kline

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 08:15:58 -0500
From: Gary Goldberg <og@access.digex.com>
Subject: Apple CD300 external - should work with A/UX. Right?

I just received this reply in the same mail batch
as your message.

-----
Hi Gary. I've tested this configuration (installing a/ux with the cd300)
and it works fine. I'm a tester in the a/ux group at apple. Good news is that
installs are quick! I seem to remember 20min for a full install.

bszeto@netcom.com
bszeto@apple.com

 ------
Hope this helps. - Gary og@access.digex.com

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Date: 6 Jan 93 12:31:00 CST
From: "Eugene Cohen" <eugene@rover.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Background Printing

Does anyone know of an extension that will automatically choose a particular
printer, and choose background printing on or off at startup?  ADVthanksANCE.

eugene cohen
eugene@rover.bsd.uchicago.edu

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 9:24:13 MST
From: svspire@somnet.sandia.gov (Shannon V Spires)
Subject: Background printing of postscript files

In V11-2, Theodore Lee <tmplee@TIS.COM> raises an
interesting question. How does one take a Postscript
File and print it in the background? The cleverest
approach would be to drop it into the Print Monitor's
PrintMonitor Documents folder, whereupon Print Monitor
would see it and print it. Unfortunately, this doesn't
work. PrintMonitor starts up, but apparently can't deal
with a Postscript file sitting in the spool folder. Does
anyone know the format of documents in the PrintMonitor
Documents spool folder, and if it's possible to make
PrintMonitor deal with postscript docs there?
-Shannon Spires
svspire@sandia.gov

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 00:27 CST
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.com (Greg Trimper)
Subject: BBEdit 2.2 crashes when waking my PB160!

Has anyone else had this problem before I bug the author about it?

Here's the deal:

I launch BBEdit (doesn't matter if I have a doc open or not),
the PB goes to sleep after a few minutes of non-use, and if
BBEdit was the front application, when the PB wakes up, BBEdit crashes
with a "Type 1" Error.  This is with or without any extensions.

If BBEdit is in the background, it seems to survive.  Problem is, I'm trying
to use BBEdit as the editor on it, and I can't really predict when it will
go to sleep and put it in the background right before it goes to sleep
(which would keep it from sleeping, anyway)

Anyone else?  Can someone try it on their machine?

Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:40:42 MDT
From: Roger Marks <marks@bldr.nist.gov>
Subject: Best Data Products fax modem

I have an offer to buy a fax modem from Best Data Products - model 9624FXMAC -
for $79.95. This seems like a good price, but I can't find out much about
either the modem (except its speed) or the software that comes with it. Anyone
using this product?


Roger
Marks@bldr.nist.gov    NIST/Boulder,CO

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Date: 5 Jan 93 23:45:38 GMT
From: eesau@uta.fi (Esa Ristil{)
Subject: Business Plan Master: Where?

November's issue of MacUser mentions a program called Business Plan Master.
It is shareware and it should be available in CompuServe. I haven't found
it in the Internet however (not with archie nor looking through major mac-
sites worldwide) and so I ask anyone with CompuServe account to download
it from there and upload it to info-mac archives.

I hope this is not too much to ask  :-)

--
		       Esa Ristil{  *  eesau@uta.fi
			     Homo homini lupus

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:28:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Irving Wiswall   <irvw@LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Classics and 7.1

Did I miss something?  Does 7.1 run on classics?  I installed it on one and
it starts to boot but won't finish.  I started with a freshly re formatted
hard drive, so there's no possibility of an extension or control panel
incompatability.  Reinstalled 7.01 and it worked fine, so I kind of rule
out hardware problems.  Doesn't 7.1 run on Classics?  Surely it doesn't
need an enabler?

-Irv Wiswall  (irvw@linfield.edu)

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 08:48:30 HNE
From: Denis Gauthier <5703DGAU@LAVALVM1>
Subject: Clock in Moire ?

Hi folks

It is possible to place the clock of MOIRE 3.22 at another position on the
menu bar ??(like 20 or 30 pixel to the left)

Denis Gauthier
5703DGAU@Lavalvm1  or 5703dgau@vm1.ulaval.ca

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Date: 05 Jan 1993 22:40:00 -0700 (MST)
From: ALAN LEVINE <LEVINE@maricopa.edu>
Subject: clover-leaf

Type <ctrl>-q in Chicago font. Right there in good ole Key Caps....

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:24:41 -0800
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Subject: command/clover leaf character

You can get the command/clover leaf character by holding down
shift and control while typing "q" in Chicago font.

-- Joshua

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:09:39 PST
From: jbthoo@ucdavis.edu (John Thoo)
Subject: e-mail address for ZTerm author

Could someone please send me an Internet address for David
Alverson, author of ZTerm?  Thanks much.

--John.  <jb2@math.ucdavis.edu>

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 09:45:13 EST
From: Ephraim Vishniac <ephraim@Think.COM>
Subject: ethernet and SCSI

Pete Tamas asks:
   Is ethernet faster than scsi? In other words, would a scsi device
   which provides ethernet be slower than an ethernet card?

These are actually two separate questions, not one question rephrased.

First, "Is ethernet faster than SCSI?"

Ethernet's bandwidth is 10MB/sec, which is the same as 8-bit SCSI with
the synchronous option and fast transfer rates. So, you might think
they're the same.

The Mac only does asynchronous SCSI, though, and without DMA, so
you'll probably see less than 2MB/sec though a Mac's SCSI port. That
makes ethernet look faster.

Ethernet is designed as a shared-access medium, however, and
individual devices don't sustain anywhere near the full bandwidth.
Getting a few hundred KB/sec through a single device is pretty good.
That makes SCSI look faster.

So the real answer is, "It all depends."

Second, "Would a SCSI device which provides ethernet be slower than an
ethernet card?"

Adding intermediate interfaces always increases latency and often
reduces bandwidth. So, even if SCSI's transfer rates were vastly
higher than ethernet's, it's likely that a SCSI ethernet adapter won't
give the same performance as an internal ethernet card.

This doesn't dictate that a well-made SCSI ethernet card can't beat a
poorly designed internal card. Your best bet is to go read some
reviews.

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:17:36 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: EtherNet Printing (Partial A)

On Tue, 5 Jan, David Hartmann wrote

>Here at Mills we are switching a building of Macs from LocalTalk to
>Ethernet and are struggling with the wide variety of methods for
>providing laser printing for them.

>To complicate the matter, we also have a few NeXTs and an SGI Crimson
>on that Ethernet and would like to provide printing for them as well.
>The final constraint is that we need to do this without replacing our
>printers.  Currently we have two LaserWriter Pluses and an HP IIIsi.

David, we are in the same boat. I upgraded our LaserWriter IINT to a IIg
ethernettable printer (but budget an extra $100 or so for a transceiver
to connect the IIg's unFriendlyNet port to a standard ethernet connector)
but I couldn't see the money to upgrade our Personal LaserWriter NT. My
colleagues here convinced me to get Sonic's LaserBridge (about $100) to
link the localtalked Personal NT to the other Macs on ethernet. I've not
been disappointed. For the price of a transceiver, which I'd need anyway,
I get a software product that will let me have up to five localtalked
printers accessible to the ethertalked Macs. Granted, the host Mac must
be powered up for that localtalked printer to be seen, but that seems a
rather trivial cost.

Then you get to other-cpu stuff. I don't know. The DOS pukes (no offense)
in our office haven't done anything with ethernet. They had to hire a
stoont to install the cards so that merely having the cards didn't crash
their machines. They are currently congratulating themselves for having
overcome that hurdle and have no time to actually install, much less use,
ethernet software. I understand that the MS/DOS software includes remote
printing to any device with an IP address. That'd let the IIg be used.
I've no idea if/whether the LaserBridged Personal NT can be used by those
otherwise fine folk.

There's a for sure solution for your Mac types. I'd be interested in
learning of solutions for your other-cpu pukes (no offense).

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 10:45:40 -0500
From: rarcuri@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Russ Arcuri)
Subject: Ethernet vs. SCSI (r)

Pete Tamas writes:

>Is ethernet faster than scsi? In other words, would a scsi device which
>provides ethernet be slower than an ethernet card?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here.  If you are asking which protocol
has higher sustained data transfer rates, then the answer is this:  The
current generation of scsi _hard disks_ transfer data quite a bit faster
than ethernet can.

If you are asking whether an ethernet card works faster than an _external
scsi- based ethernet adapter_, the answer is a little complex:

In general, an external scsi device which provides ethernet services to
Macs with no expansion slots is slower than an ethernet card installed in a
Mac that does have expansion slots.  Furthermore, performance is better for
ethernet cards that install in a processor direct slot than those that
install in a nubus slot.

Summary:  An ethernet card in a processor direct slot works faster than an
ethernet card installed in a nubus slot, and any slot-based ethernet card
will work faster than a scsi-based ethernet device.

I hope I've answered your question.

Russ Arcuri
rarcuri@hamilton.edu

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:21:28 +0100
From: ekeller@ulys.unil.ch (Eric Keller)
Subject: Even more on Michel/Michele/Michelle

I can't believe this "Michel/Michele/Michelle" thing is still going on.

Sridar from McGill in Montreal, Quebec, says "Actually, the feminine
version of Michel is Michelle."

Only in Quebec. In Europe, the preferred female form is "Michele", though
the form "Michelle" is also known.

Eric Keller, Lausanne, Switzerland

[And with that, we close out this charming, but non-Mac related discussion...]

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:05-0700
From: marcos@taos.intel.com
Subject: Experience with Helix Express

Does anyone have any experience with using Helix Express from Helix
Technology? I'd like to know how suitable it is for small businesses. In
particular, I'd like to know how flexible it is in a multi-user
environment for lists, reports, tracking, contacts, etc. Is it easy to
add reports, edit DBs, create entry forms, perform relational queries,
etc. I am thinking of using it with a non-profit organization for
tracking donors, mailing lists, volunteers, equipment, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Marcos Paz
Intel Corp.
4100 Sara Rd.  MS F9-04
Rio Rancho, NM 87124
(505) 893-1623
marcos@taos.intel.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:58:59 -0800
From: proffer@scubed.scubed.com
Subject: Express Modems (Q)

1)  Does anybody actually have an express modem for their Duo yet?

2)  Does anybody know the shipping status of these modems?

The last I heard was that they were to start shipping Dec. 15th, but I
don't have mine yet.
W. J. Proffer
Maxwell Labs
La Jolla, CA
proffer@scubed.scubed.com
(619) 453-0060

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:04 CST
From: Carlos Aramburo <CHARLY@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX>
Subject: fax-modem & powerbook ...

	Hello friends, i need your help. I have a fax-modem attached to
my powerbook 140 but i have a problem. I want that my powerbook be always
on and in sleep mode, but when it is in sleep mode it can't receive a fax
because it is "turned off". my question is if you know some kind of software
which can awake my powerbook when a fax is comming ? if the software is of
public domain where can i find that ? thanks in advance.

Carlos Aramburo. e-mail : charly@udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:18:25 -0500
From: jimb@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister)
Subject: File Types and Creators List

A week or so ago, there were a few messages on the digest discussing making
a list of Mac file types and creators.  Since I'm kind of interested in
having one of those myself, I hereby volunteer to create and maintain such
a list for the benefit of the net.

Of course, I can't do it without your help!  So, send me your Types and
Creators for any applications you have.  If you have access to a list,
send it along, or send me a pointer and I'll include it in my compilation.
Also, don't limit it to "real" applications--I'm interested in games, PD and
shareware stuff, "obsolete" programs, whatever you have.

Assuming I get a reasonable response, look for V1.0 of the Types and Creators
list in a few weeks!

Please DON'T send your lists to the digest; e-mail them to me at
jimb@csd.harris.com.

-Jim Burmeister

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Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:06:29 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <Tom_Scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: Hard Disk Icon (A)

     Hard Disk Icon (A)
John.Muirhead@mtsa.ubc.ca asks:

> After using an old version of FolderBolt with Sys7, I now have a generic
> document icon for my hard disk. I cannot clear or paste over the icon
> using Get Info. An alert says the commands are not available.
> To no avail I've tried reinstalling the system, copying the icon file
> from another computer's hard disk using ResEdit, and rebuilding the
> desktop.

I suggested this yesterday for someone else trying to rename their hard
drive:  Download info-mac/app/system7-unlock.hqx from sumex.  It sometimes
will work enough to allow you to rename your hard drive as well as pasting
an icon on a hard drive that you couldn't paste to before.  I'm not sure
how FolderBolt factors into this, so this might not work.  But hey, it's worth
a try!!!  ;-)

I'd be interested to find out if this DOES work for you.


Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:17:35 -0100
From: hewat@ill.fr
Subject: How do I set up Mac-X for use of the 4Dwm on an SGI Indigo ?

I have been trying to set up Mac-X on my Quadra to use the 4Dwm
window manager on our new Silicon Graphics Indigo SX24-Z.  I can
make the Mac-X color window correspond to the 4Dwm window,
but when I launch a new X application, such as Xterm, it creates
its own generic window, and doesn't use that of 4Dwm.

What am I doing wrong ?

BTW, the SGI Indigo is fantastic.  I am surprised Apple hasn't sued
them - SGI Workspace is a lot like the Finder, except that the
SX24-Z, using the MIPS 4000 chip running at 100 Mhz, is about x10
faster than the Quadra.  I am using it with the new HP split-optic
head MO drive,which is not a lot slower than the internal SCSI-II
hard disk.
Dr Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE (hewat@ill.fr) Fax (France=33).76.48.39.06

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:00:59 -0500
From: brg@dgate.org (Brian Gaeke)
Subject: how to get command key character (& others)

>The subject says it all: I need the command/clover leaf or
>whatever it is called character and can't find it. I know
>this is a FAQ and I promise to write it down this time but
>neither KeyCaps nor Norton KeyFinder gave me a clue.
>Thanks for all hints.

This solution requires Truetype Chicago...

Set the font to a size of Chicago that is *not* in a bitmap in your
System file; 13 or 15 work well.

The Command key is Control-Q. Some other characters are:

R = check-mark (checkMark)
U = forward delete
O = symbol for enter key
P = Open Apple (anyone ever use an Apple II? <G>)
A = symbol for Option key
S = diamond (diamondMark)
D = symbol for shift key (outline up arrow)
B = symbol for Control key
J,W,X,V,N = Weird arrow thingies (what the...)

Happy keying.

Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate, Inc.  Internet: brg@dgate.org

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:32:15 -0700
From: tonyh@lynx.msc.cornell.edu
Subject: HP Scanjet IIc

>From: reiserdb@ttown.apci.com (David B. Reiser)
>Subject: HP scanjet IIC
>
>Is there any reason to expect problems using a Scanjet IIc with a Quadra
950?
>HP doesn't usually include cables with their printers. Is that the case with
>scanners, too. How extensive is the software that comes with the scanner? Has
>anyone used Omnipage with the scanner output files?
>
>I wouldn't expect any problems, but an acquaintance asked for information,
>and I offered to query the net.
>
>Thanks.
>Dave
>
>reiserdb@ttown.apci.com
>

HP Scanjet IIc comes with DeskScan IIc and DeskPaint programs. The hardware
is very good, expecially for OCR work because it uses HP's proprietary
AccuPage technology (useful only if you use an OCR program - such as
OmniPage or TypeReader - that supports it). The software is so-so,
certainly not as good as Ofoto, for example. DeskScan II is somewhat buggy
- it crashes a lot on my Mac (at least in 32-bit mode). On the other hand,
it's TWAIN-compatible so you can use it directly in one of the few
TWAIN-aware programs. I don't use DeskPaint at all (why bother when you
have Photoshop).

Tony Huang
tonyh@msc.cornell.edu

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:34:16 CST
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: Impact Accelerator for LC (A)

A while ago - maybe a *long* while ago -   someone asked about Extreme
Systems' Impact 32MHz '030 accelerator for the LC. I installed one
just before Xmas (I chose to narrow the perfomance gap btw my LC and
my Quadra rather than widen it by getting the Quadra Overdrive) and am
very happy with it. I got the version that comes with the 50Mhz FPU.

A sample of performance improvement: a standard takes over 10 minutes
to open a 1.5 meg Nisus file with graphics (Nisus is memory based
and the whole file has to be read in - when working at home I'd just
launch it and then go and have dinner). With the Impact running with
its external cache off, the file would open in about 6 minutes, and
with the external cache on, in under 4 (on the Quadra, it takes just
over 2 minutes).

I don't know how this compares to other LC accelerators. I was attracted
to the Impact by ES's ad which said that their power requirements
were within Apple's guidelines for the LC, which wasn't true for
universal accelerators that use adaptors for different machines (I
assume this was a dig at DayStar). The price was about $700; it's
about $600 without the FPU. However, the price should come down in
the near future, since DayStar has just cut its prices substantially
(in anticipation of Motorola dropping its).

One other thing. If you're thinking of buying the Impact for your LC
first open the LC box to check for a brown capacitor about the size of a
AAA battery near the SCSI port. It looks like it's attached to the
logic board as a kind of absent-minded afterthought. Only early LC's
have them, but if you've got one you should mention this to the ES
people - it requires a special variant of their board.

Graeme Forbes

Extreme Systems: 800-995-2334, fax 206-575-3928.
Disclaimer: I have no vested interest in this company. Just a satisfied
customer.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:53:18 EST
From: Laird Popkin <laird@Think.COM>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #2

   Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 12:55:59 -0800
   From: "(Michael A. Kelly)" <mkelly@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu>
   Subject: [*] Comp.Sys.Mac.Programmer Digest Volume 1 #220-227

   Issues #220 through #227 of Volume 1 of the Comp.Sys.Mac.Programmer Digest
   are
   Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 12:05:23 -0500
   From: brad@n1mnb.oau.org (Brad Ackerman)
   Subject: Printers w/ 3 paper trays

   Does anyone know of a laser printer (NOT a Linotronic) with 2 legal-size
   trays and an envelope tray?  Please send make and model via e-mail, also
   company's automatic FAX spec sheet sender # and/or regular # if you have
   them.

GCC Technologies' printers can have *two* paper trays loaded at once if you
buy a base unit that sits under their PLP II and BLP II printers.  They
sell both legal and envelope trays.  You can also manually feed paper
across the top of the paper trays, so you could fairly easily manually
insert cover pages, and feed blank pages and envelopes from the trays, if
you're near the printer.

   Brad Ackerman                                       brad@n1mnb.oau.org
   IN MEMORIAM + Gene Wesley Roddenberry 1921 19 August - 1991 24 October

Great guy...

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Date: 6 Jan 93 10:15:31 CST
From: JEFF@ccstaff.cc.iastate.edu
Subject: Info about OverVue -- alternative for System 7?

I have a consulting client using OverVue as a database, and she loves
it and doesn't want to switch.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work under
System 7, and their office is upgrading.  I've looked for the product
and for the company (ProVue Development) and can't find references in
the System 7 compatibility list, all of my software catalogs or my
vendor phone lists.  Does anyone know what happened to this product
and/or its creators?  We're hoping that the product and the
company changed names. . .

Please reply via email, as I (unfortunately) am hopelessly behind in
reading newsgroups.

Jeff Balvanz                   Internet: jbalvanz@iastate.edu
Senior Microcomputer Consultant          Voice:  515-294-8683
Iowa State University, Ames, IA          FAX:    515-294-3702

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Date: 5 Jan 93 21:28:00 GMT
From: rick.wyatt@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Rick Wyatt)
Subject: LOOKING FOR PROGRAM

A friend of mine is looking for a software program that will fulfill a
very specific need.  It needs to take a graphics file containing an image
of a scanned chart and translate the chart into data points.  The graph
could be a line graph, bar chart, pie chart, or scatter diagram.

This seems like it would take a VERY sophisticated engine to achieve,
since he would be scanning graphics from magazines and journals and there
is very little consistency.  If anyone knows of any programs for the IBM
and MAC that do ANYTHING like this, or that have any abilities that could
help in this process, please send me a reply message or call Bob Berringer
at 501-543-7077.  Thanks!

---
 . WinQwk 1.30 #0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy


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Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:17:44 -0700
From: "Apgar, Eric" <apgar#m#_eric@msgate.corp.apple.com>
Subject: Macintosh Easy Open PR


Apple Ships Translation Manager Software to Developers

Macintosh Easy Open Simplifies Opening Files from Other Programs,
Platforms

CUPERTINO, California-January 4, 1993--Apple Computer, Inc. today
announced the immediate availability of the Macintosh(r) Easy Open
Developer's Kit, an extension to System 7 and a translation manager
application programming interface (API) that provides Apple(r)
developers with the ability to enhance their applications or
translation systems to open and convert documents on Macintosh
personal computers, regardless of the availability of the
applications that created the files.
    Designed to simplify access to information from a variety of
applications and across computing platforms, Macintosh Easy Open
makes opening and converting documents as easy as any other basic
Macintosh task.  Once incorporated into third-party applications or
file translation systems, Macintosh Easy Open provides users with
options for accessing and manipulating documents quickly and easily.
Apple developers and their customers will appreciate that their
applications require no modifications to take advantage of most
Macintosh Easy Open features.
    "Macintosh Easy Open is a powerful tool for getting to information
regardless of where it came from," said Charlie Oppenheimer, director
of marketing for Apple's Macintosh Software Architecture division.
"This new extension has what it takes to make the Macintosh the
preferred platform for sharing and exchanging data among disparate
applications and across multiple computing platforms.  With products
like Macintosh Easy Open and our popular Macintosh PC Exchange, Apple
continues to provide customers with entirely new levels of
sophistication and ease of use in cross-platform computing."
    Macintosh Easy Open provides users with a number of ways to access
Macintosh and non-Macintosh files.  For example, when a user  double-
clicks on a document that normally couldn't be opened because the
application that created it is unavailable, Macintosh Easy Open
intercedes and searches for applications and file translation systems
that are capable of opening the document, and lists them for the
user.  Once the user selects an alternate application, Macintosh Easy
Open transparently manages the conversion of the document using the
application's internal translation capabilities or by using
specialized translation software.
    "DataViz has adapted its entire MacLinkPlus library of file
translators, so Macintosh Easy Open will always offer users an
application to open `foreign' documents-whether they came from a
Macintosh or a personal computer," said Dick Fontana, president of
DataViz, Inc. of Trumbull, Conn.  "Incorporating Macintosh Easy Open
into all our MacLinkPlus packages vastly improves the ability of our
customers to access information easily.  We're proud to be among the
first to bring this exciting Macintosh technology to users."
    By incorporating a standard API, Macintosh Easy Open provides Apple
developers with unique translation-management services.  These
services can be integrated into their applications or translation
systems to provide transparent data conversion whenever opening,
copying, pasting, or publishing data from one format to another.
While Macintosh Easy Open does not perform any data translation
itself, it effectively manages access to third-party translation
systems and applications, which perform the actual translation.
    Apple developers that are working on integrating Macintosh Easy Open
support into their products include the following:  DataViz, Inc.,
makers of  MacLinkPlus;  Mastersoft, Inc. of Scottsdale, Ariz.,
makers of Word for Word/Macintosh;  Equilibrium Technologies of
Sausalito, Calif., makers of DeBabelizer;  Aladdin Systems, Inc. of
Watsonville, Calif., makers of StuffIt;  and Kandu Software Corp. of
Arlington,  Va., makers of CADMover.  Apple also plans to incorporate
Macintosh Easy Open software into a number of current Apple software
products in 1993.
    The Macintosh Easy Open extension also features added descriptive
information about documents, including non-Macintosh files, and color
icons in the Open and Save windows, making it easier for users  to
determine document types at the Finder level.
    The Macintosh Easy Open Document Converter, which comes with
Macintosh Easy Open, is a system utility that works with third-party
translators to allow users to convert a document from one file format
to another, without opening the document.  With this feature, files
can be converted easily and quickly by simply dragging file icons to
the Document Converter icon.


Availability
    The Macintosh Easy Open 1.0 Developer's Kit is available to
developers for $150 U.S. by contacting the Apple Programmers &
Developers Association (APDA(r)), Apple's mail-order  service for
developers, at 1-800-282-2732 in the United States, or  1-800-637-
0029 in Canada.  From other international locations call 1-716-871-
6555, or contact the country APDA representative.  APDA may be
contacted electronically through the following addresses:

AppleLink: APDA
America Online: APDA
CompuServe: 76666,2405
Internet: APDA@applelink.apple.com


EDITORS' NOTE: Macintosh Easy Open will be shown at a MACWORLD San
Francisco press-only preview of Macintosh System Software Wednesday,
Jan. 6 from 5-9 p.m. at the Moscone Center, Ballroom H, in San
Francisco. Contact Carrie Score at (408) 862-0012 for more
information.


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:28 PDT
From: GWARD@perch.nosc.mil
Subject: MSMail and Internet

We have MSMail 3.0 running on a IIfx that interfaces via a cisco router
to internet.  We can send a receive internet mail with no problems.  The
question is:  Does anyone know what software we would have to use to let
our users log on to MSMail from the internet (currently they must dial
the home site via remote access to check their mail when on the road
even though they have access to internet).

This would allow people traveling to be able to check mail as is
possible on all Vax and Unix systems today

Aloha... Gary Ward/808-449-4083  Ward@cidss.af.mil or gward@nosc.mil

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:44:01 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: New VD Support Policy (C)

On Mon, 4 Jan, Jeffrey S. Shulman wrote

>Effective immediately new search strings for viruses and Trojan Horses will
>only be available to registered owners of VirusDetective and VirusBlockade
>II.

Makes sense to me.

>Virus Alert postcards will continue to be mailed to registered users when a
>new virus appears. Due to the expense and relative risks involved we do not
>do this for Trojan Horses.

Makes *no* sense to me. Trojan Horses aren't worth the bother? How about
worms, Jeffrey? And what if a virus is a Trojan Horse? Gotta mess with
your head. And your postage budget. What exactly do VD and VB protect
against? Or aren't you telling?

Thank you, Jeffrey. You have reinforced my decision to go with SAM.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:48:57 EST
From: "David E. Cox" <decox@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: Non-Mac Keyboards

A post-script to: Old MACs Keyboard replacement/fixing (Mac
Digest - VI,3).

About a year ago I purchased a Datadesk 101e for my IIsi. I
liked everything about it except that the power key only worked
intermittently. It seemed that one had to have just the right
touch -- a sort of quick tap of the key to get it up and
running.  A call to the tech. assistance guys (very helpful) at
DataDesk resulted in acknowledgement by the Datadesk rep. of a
timing problem with the ADB.

That was a year ago and things may have changed by now.  In any
event, be sure you have a 30 return option when purchasing this
keyboard.

David Cox  (decox@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu)

------------------------------

Date: 05 Jan 1993 22:47:30 -0700 (MST)
From: ALAN LEVINE <LEVINE@maricopa.edu>
Subject: Norton Partition (C)

A Norton partition will not appear without the Norton Partition
doodad in the Extensions folder. It also may not mount w/o setting for
auto-mounting with the Norton Partition program. I've used it w/o any
problems for months and months...

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:45:16 -0800
From: ayh@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Ann Hopkins)
Subject: Other Mac Alternative Keyboards

I read Info_Mac Digest V11, #3, Article: (A)Old MACS Keyboard
replacement/fixing.

For ADB Macs there is another alternative keyboard. The keyboard is small
and relatively inexpensive - when it can be found.  We had some surplus
Apple IIgs keyboards, and they worked just great on our LCII.

FYI:  Someone might find this useful.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 14:41:49 EST
From: Louis Brousseau <408260@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject: Problem printing with Classic

I am having problems when trying to print from a Mac Classic, I get
"Address error" followed by "Illegal implementation" after the first
page is printed.
This problem began when I had extra memory installed, the dealer says
that the memory board is fine and that the problems lies somewhere else.
I've re-installed the system files (7.0.1 tuned), all software, I even
reformated the hard drive.Switching to system 6.x did not change
anything. I ran Optimac to see if there was a hardware problem but
nothing could be detected. I tried printing on ImageWriter and GCC's PLP
II but the same problem occurs. If I use a Mac Plus or the LC with the
same configurations everything is OK. I removed all inits except for
GCC's printing extension but zilch. Any suggestion will be greatly
appreciated.

System config= Classic;4 Mb RAM, 40 Mb internal HD, 7.0.1, tune-up
1.1.1, ImageWriter II, PLP II (GCC v.4.0).

Please send to 408260@acadvm1.uottawa.ca. Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:58:19 EST
From: Thomas Smyth <TCSMYTH@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU>
Subject: QuickTime 1.5 and Simple Player 1.0a1

Question 1:
There seems to be an incompatability between QT 1.5 and Simple Player
(which admittedly is an extension which came with QT 1.0): movies freeze
when running more than one on an LCII, 8M Ram, 80M HD, System 7.1.  Has
anyone else encountered this problem?  Is there a share/freeware extension
similar to the Simple Player which works with QT 1.5? (PopCorn and Slink's
VCR seem to work OK, but Simple Player is my favorite.)  Perhaps there's an
extension at ftp.apple.com I've missed?  Thanks for any suggestions/ideas!

Question 2:
 Is there a viable/efficient alternative to TINCAN 4.01 software for
connecting to CMS mainframe?

Happy New Year to all,

Thomas Smyth/Univ of South Carolina - Aiken

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 07:45:57 CST
From: brb@bacardi.safb.af.mil (Bruce Baier)
Subject: Removable Drives?

Hello netters,

Now that tax time is upon us, I may have some extra cash from my income tax
refund.  I bought a Mac Plus about six months ago, and I only have floppies
at the moment.  I recently saw an ad for a 90 MByte Bernoulli drive for $499
>From Mac Connection (I think).  I would like to get some advice on the merits
of
the different removable media out there.  Is Bernoulli better than SyQuest?
Would I be better off with a conventional hard drive?  How about the 128MB
removable optical drives.  I have read the November MacWorld article on
optical
drives, and they don't seem fast enough yet.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.  I'm also looking for cost effectiveness. (I'm an E-3 in the
Air Force, so I can't afford too much).  Thanks for your help.

A1C Bruce R Baier
(brb@tahquitz.safb.af.mil)

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:07:41 -0500
From: brg@dgate.org (Brian Gaeke)
Subject: shameless plug for Reset DTDBs

>All went well -- except that all the "neat icons" for the various games,
>etc. have all reverted to bland "executable" icons.  Can the old ones be
>recovered?

You should try the Reset DTDBs program I wrote, which is in
/info-mac/util/reset-dtdb.hqx. Alternatively, you could go with DeskTop
Reset (from 5th Generation Systems) which is in
/info-mac/ex/desktop-reset.hqx. The main diff. is that Reset DTDBs is an
app, and Desktop Reset is an extension.

Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate, Inc.  Internet: brg@dgate.org

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:03:06 MDT
From: Roger Marks <marks@bldr.nist.gov>
Subject: Shhh! is not functional

>I downloaded the Shhh! extension which purports to stop the annoying
>PowerBook sound chip click. It doesn't work for me. Has anyone else
>either noticed it working or not working?

No, it doesn't work on my PowerBook 100. And I'm not sure if it's my
imagination, but the frequency of clicks seems to have gone up since I
installed it. It seems to click at least every 5 minutes, even if nothing
is happening soundwise; in fact, even if the volume control is on zero.
I don't remember it being that bad before.

Roger
Marks@bldr.nist.gov    NIST/Boulder,CO

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:02:30 GMT
From: steinman@hasler.ascom.ch (Jan Steinman - Bytesmiths, 3946)
Subject: Software companies vs. European consumers

I agree wholeheartedly with Charles Schneider's comments on the mistreatment
of European consumers by US Software developers. My client is using a
particular product (which shall remain nameless -- sorry, but I have to
maintain good relations with the vendor!) and can get little or no help from
the vendor's European distributor. We report bugs, and they disappear off the
face of the earth, or at least off the face of Europe.

In desperation, I called one of my contacts at the vendor company in the US.
He was friendly and helpful, until he heard who the client was, then he became
formal and said that we would have to get support through the European
distributor.

By the way, this is a development environment product that runs $3,000 in the
US, but is well into five figures (dollars, at market exchange rates) when
purchased from the mostly useless European distributor.

The real sad part of this is that, due to the weak dollar, US goods *should*
be real bargains these days, but greedy middlemen are soaking up our
competitive advantage!

: : Jan Steinman, Bytesmiths                       steinman@hasler.ascom.ch :
:
: : 2002 Parkside Court, West Linn, OR 97068-2767 USA       +1 503 657 7703 :
:
: : Beundenfeldstrasse 35, CH-3013, Bern, Switzerland       +41 31 999 3946 :
:

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:12:41 -0600
From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Subject: StyleWriter Cartridges (A & Q)

No need to pay $25 for StyleWriter cartridges...ust refill the one you
have. Buy a bottle of ink (not India ink), a bottle of 70% isopropyl
(rubbing) alcohol and a big (cow-size) veterinary syringe. The syringe cost
me 80 cents locally.

Remove the little rubber plug on your old cartridge, suck up 9 cc of ink
and 3 cc of alcohol into the syringe (ratio is non-critical), and inject
the solution into the cartridge. Re-insert the rubber plug, do the
cartridge-cleaning button sequence on the StyleWriter, and you are go for a
couple of hundred pages.

You can also use colored inks, but I had to print about 100 pages of solid
printing to get the residual black out of the cartridge. Now I have a red /
pink cartridge!

That takes care of StyleWriter cartridges (for the original StyleWriters,
at least). Does anyone have info on how to refill H-P DeskWriter 550C color
cartridges? Exact color match is un-important.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:18:20 EST
From: ygor@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C))
Subject: StyleWriter mailing labels smearing?

   It has been my experience that if one gives StyleWriter output a
 chance to dry (say a minute or two) smearing is a minimal problem.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:30:19 -0500
From: "Tom Wilson" <wilsont@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov> (Tom Wilson)
Subject: Symbolic Algebra Software - Resp. Summary

Thanks to all (21 and growing) respondants to my request for
reccommendations for symbolic algebra software.  I had 13 very strong
reccommendations for Theorist by Prescience and 6 casual reccommendations.
Two respondents reccommended Maple V.


Tom Wilson
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
<wilsont@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov>

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Date: 06 Jan 1993 14:31:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Kermit's Buddy! <GRAPHICS%EKU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: System 7.1 - Excel 4.0 & more than 20 fonts

Hi folks,

While upgrading our MAC Lab for the semester's crop of students, I found
that Excel 4.0 didn't want to work.

I upgraded a client to System 7.1 -- it diligently moved all 50 fonts
into the Fonts folder and removed all the old stuff; as it should. I
rebooted the MAC and everything worked as normal except Excel 4.0.
(NOTE: MAC refers to an se/30, se, or LC all having 4MB ram. I tried it
on them all)

I called Microsoft to ask about this on Monday and the technician
hadn't heard of the problem. He was quite helpful though. On tuesday, I
reformatted a hard disk reinstalled Sys. 7.1, Excel 4.0, EtherTalk,
and my few INITs. Excel worked marvelously which made me happy. However,
I only had the standard 9 fonts in the fonts folder. As I added fonts
>From the original disks, I noticed that odd things happening with Excel
(I added 2 fonts at a time because I thought that fonts had something to
do with this!!).

Of course, I called Microsoft yesterday and got a friendly tech. that
had heard of the problem. He basically siad that they were aware of the
problem and that Fonts came into to play. Microsoft is currently
researching this difficulty and promised a call back.

This note is more to save some of you aggravation; assuming that you see
or have seen the problem. I have thought of using a suitcase 'type'
utility, but really don't see a need to buy for short term use. I would
greatly appreciate a note if you have seen this problem.

c ya,

-Bob Martin -- Graphics@eku.bitnet

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:33:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: system installation over a network

hi all,

i just attempted and failed to install system 7.0.1 over a network.
i have the disk images on a mac running 7.0. the computer i wanted to
install on is an SE/30 running 6.something. they are connected via ethernet.
first i mounted the disks on the donor mac's desktop using mountimage.
then from the recipient mac i connected to the donor mac using the chooser.
i opened the desktop folder but the disks were not there. so i opened
mountimage on the recipient mac and tried to mount the image files on its
desktop. th eimage files were in a folder on the desktop and mountimage
did not see them. the finder did though. so i gave up so how can i install
system 7 over the network.i can't just bring the image files to the
recipient mac since theres not enough room on the hard drive.

thanks.



Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
ness@aecom.yu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:50:32 CST
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: Type Manipulation (Q)

I'm doing camera ready proofs of a textbook for my publisher, and
would like to create some elementary special effects with large
type for the frontispiece, section dividers, etc. For example,
I might want to print large letters in some shade of grey with
a 1 or 2-point black outline round eachletter, or do something with drop
shadows, and so on. Does anyone have any recommendations for software
for this kind of thing - say a drawing program with unusual
type manipulation capacities? I doesn't have to be too fancy, since
the end result will still have to look a bit formal - after
all, it's a textbook in formal logic!

Thanks.
Graeme Forbes

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:31:46 -0500
From: choisje@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Subject: Why does my hard drive spin for no reason?

I am sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have a LC II with a stock 80 MB Apple HD
(Quantum) that spins (reads?) my hard drive during inactivity for no
reason.  I am using AutoDoubler, but the activity seems to be unrelated.
When AutoDoubler is working my cursor changes and any movement of my mouse
will stop AD.  My hard drive seems to spin even when I move my mouse.  Only
pressing the mouse button or a key board button stops the hard drive
activity.  This is annoying because it often interfers with foreground
tasks.   I am running System 7.0.1 tuned-up, 32-bit addressing off, virtual
memory off, and a variety of INITS.  BTW, I don't know if this has anything
to do with my problem but I reformated my HD with the Apple HD Set-up
program so that the Apple_Free_Space partition is eliminated.  Previously I
had 75.0 Mb available, now I have 78.8 MB.  I would appreciate any thoughts
about this perplexing problem.  Please respond to me directly and I will
sumarize for the net if there is sufficient interest.  Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:56:16 HKT
From: R12563@PACCVM.corp.mot.com

TO: Info-Mac     (INFOMAC)
FR: Patrick Kwok (R12563)
DA: 06 Jan 93 at 22:52:13


RE: EtherTalk Driver for Racal Interlan EtherTalk Card

Do anyone know where can I download the EtherTalk driver for System 7.0
of the Racal Interlan EtherTalk card?

Regards,
Patrick
Motorola Semiconductors Hong Kong Limited
r12563@paccvm.corp.mot.com

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