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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.020322.21141@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Bzzt. It is available, and having had the opportunity to compare the Amiga
>>version to the PC edition, I would say that it is graphically superior and
>>more fully integrates itself with the native OS. Boredom is a state of
>>mind.

>	Which version did you look at.  I've seen the Windows version and at
>  1024x768 it looks pretty nice, along with being fast.

I've actually seen both. The Amiga version is inherently limited in resolution
(comparable to the DOS edition), but it has been developed under 2.0 by 
programmers which were obviously intimately familiar with the system. Maxis
at least seems willing to go beyond the LCD on all systems, which is nice for
those with the added capabilities.

Mark

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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: CBM, This is not STUPID this is a PROPOSITION
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:36:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.041112.4252@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>In article <9f5m#3d@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
>>
>>MSword is a nice program, but I would hardly ask any big software house to waste
>>their time in porting another MickeySoft program to the Amiga. 
>
>Word absolutely blows away any Amiga word processor I have ever used.
>The thing that makes Word a dog is Windows. Do a fully Amiga-tized
>port of the product and you would have a fantastic word processor.
>
>
>You said you would use the mac version instead of the windows version becuase
>you think the mac version is better? They are exactly the same, down to the
>source code minus P-Code front end. Only the environment is differnet.

Too bad.  Because although Word has many features built in that
are nice for document preparation, it is very exasperating to use
for simple tasks.  For example, the other day I wanted to print
page 46 out of a document.  I told it to print, and supplied the
page number.  Then it went through its repagination cycle (seems
like a long time) and then printed page 46.  Only that wasn't the
page I requested since the repagination had changed the page
number of the current page.  Of course, when I had it print the
correct page, it repaginated again making me wait... Needless to
say at that point, I certainly wasn't in a good mood.  I have used
Excellence, in contrast, on the Amiga and have found myself able
to do the numberous simple tasks very inutuitvely without
referring to the manual in most cases.  Admittedly, it doesn't
have the bells and whistles of Word, but would much prefer it to
be enhanced rather than having Word ported over. 

>The "windows version" will get better as we improve window's performance.
>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/


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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:56:32 GMT

>   >>Very little software breaks on the A600.  VERY little.
>
>   >WHO is lieing you or Amiga Format magazine?? 30-40% is LITTLE?!
>
>
>I recall that Amiga Format is a game magazine. It may be true that
>many games don't work with A600, but I doubt that this is the case
>with productivity software, such as text editors, compilers, WP's and
>such.


   I think its safe to say that alot of A600's are going to be bought for
   playing games, not running productivity software.  So having a lot of
   games break on the A600 doesn't make much sense.

							G.Greene


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From: pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM, Advertising, Etc...
Keywords: CBM ADVERTISING
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:56:47 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug11.224038.889@medsys.rn.com>, wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
|> Well... Let's see what's up with Commodore here lately. Checking my mail
|> reveals a press release from Commodore detailing a new 68040 accelerator
|> board for the A3000T only called the A3640. It goes on to say that there
|> are now two models of the T, with and without 040. Not bad... Only a few
|> years late, and 5 days after I read about it in AmigaWorld!  Anyway, 
|> picking up Computer Reseller News and flipping through a few pages I
|> spot a really nice looking ad. At the top it reads: 
|> 
|> "Commodore isn't just playing games any more."

< Advertising copy deleted >

|> 
|> Note to Commodore: Keep up this level of advertising in reseller-oriented
|> magazines! You of course need to do some of the same in more reatil end-user
|> sorts of mags, but this example is a step in the right direction! Good job
|> so far [in that one area only ;-) ].
|> 
|> -- 
|> -- Wendell Dingus    Domain: wendell@medsys.rn.com     //  
|> -- UUCP:    ...!gator!medsys!wendell   Only AMIGA!   \X/

Commodore are also responsible for one of the most sexist advertisements I have
seen recently. It appeared in 'PC Format', a UK magazine aimed at the more
popular end of the PC market. I don't read it (I don't own a PC) but I have
flipped through it in newsagents.

The ad in question featured a full page picture of a woman, apparently naked
except for shoes and (possibly) tights, with a small computer positioned
strategically to hide her embarassment. She was wearing gold-rimmed glasses
and wearing her hair up, giving the impression of a secretary taking
dictation.

The caption underneath read:

"Wouldn't you love on on your lap?"

(or words to that effect)

Note to Commodore: Keep up this level of advertising and you are likely to lose
a lot of support.

Phil
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:50:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.050804.17019@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <kdarling.714191933@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>Of course, we now know that the soothsayer wasn't talking about Caesar's
>>upcoming death, but about something much further in the future:
>>
>>"Beware the machines with IDE disk interfaces!"
>>
>>:-)
>
>This doesn't seem a very well kept secret! :-)  C= may as well announce
>the new machines now.

Naah, three weeks isn't long to wait.  It'd spoil the big suprise if they
announced the machines now.  I just can't wait to find out what colour the
case is, and if the floppies really are mounted vertically...  Oh, and the
other little detail I don't know is how much they'll cost and in what
configurations.

In the meantime, there's plenty left for us to argue over while we wait...


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From: staferne@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Stefan Taferner)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.121502.10788@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Jeff Young writes:

>> It's being used for sound generation on the Falcon.  Sounds like the
>> Paula's handling that just fine.   That's the point.  It's filling a
>> function better left to other things, because anyone can tell you that
>> there are better uses for a DSP than to produce sound.

> Sorry Paula not doing 16 AND 8 bit stereo DMA like in Falcon.  Paula
> cannot even do 1.44 floppy!

Paula _can_ access 1.44MB drives, At least the one in the Amiga 3000 can !
The point is, that rarely anybody knows about it. C= even sold some A3000
with 1.44MB drives in them. But also with the older A3000 models (mine is
from July 1991) it's no problem to use 1.44MB drives instead of 720KB drives.
And Kick2.04 is able to handle them correct (so does CrossDOS).

And it's also my opinion, that using a DSP just for sound generation is like
shooting birds with cannons  ! (Of course you hit, but what is it good for ?)

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From: gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: JAM info on A570 & A2200/A2400 (public info!)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:31:14 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <mykes.0ctb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Build it and they will come! :)  While you're at it, a laptop would come in
>handy.  And is there some way to keep those dang 8520s from blowing all the
>time?

	A laptop would be nice.  However I have a question for you and the
other people that are always talking about blown '8520's.  What do you guys do?
Plug things into ports while the computer is on?  Seriously, maybe I'm an
isolated case, but I've had my A500 for years, I've taken it apart more times
than I can remember (Switching the KS Rom, cleaning out the motherboard, 
reseating chips if nessecary) and I've never had a problem with my '8520's.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:21745 comp.sys.amiga.misc:12794
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Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:48:24 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:51:51 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:51:51 GMT, gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) said:

> 	Rumor has it that MultiTOS is call-compatible with some unknown
> (I've never heard it states..SYSV? BSD?) version of Unix. This really

BSD would probably be easier since there is more freely usable source.
Might mean POSIX compliance, which is very different from Unix like.

> wouldn't help them learn Unix, though.  If anything it would make
> a WIDE body of public domain software easily available.. Then again most
> Unix programs (Not counting programs that use X or something such as that)
> will compile with minimal modification on Amigas with a decent compiler.

And one of a number of Unix emulation libraries. However, an X server is
also available for the Amiga, so there is no need to rule out such programs.
Of course ones that make assumptions about the numbers of colors available
won't work - have to wait and see what the new chip set does about that :-)
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:46:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug15.025921.11729@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>No, Congress spends the money.  Congress alone spends money.  The Pentagon
>tells what it needs, and waits to see what weapons program is made
>in what Congressman's district.
>
	That is not correct. Only Congress can allocate money.
The President, being in the Executive branch, actually spends the
money. So even if Congress allocates 10 million to some program,
the president can decide not to spend it, or to under spend it.
This is why the President still has a lot of power.
	-- Ethan


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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: C=: offer A500 motherboard upgrades!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:32:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.224503.23853@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.190328.11659@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@castor.cs.uga.edu (MIKE WELLS) writes:
>>Suggestion to Commodore reguarding the next generation of Amigas:
>>Please offer motherboard upgrades for the 500!
>
>   Unfortunately, this would require that Commodore spent about $120,000 to
>layout and fabricate a PC board custom designed to fit into an A500 case, and

	Unfortuantely your $120,000 figure is way off base. CBM doesn't have
to rebuild the Earth; they just have to patch something together that works.
I know the number was thrown around before, but in refernce to an INDEPENDANT
GROUNDS-UP project. I bet a proptotype would only cost a few thousand at MOST
because of the new technology involved. CBM already has the machines,
talent, and knowledge to do such a project.

>I do not think Commodore would be willing to spent such an amount just to
>please 2 million or so people.  They never developed a similar custom A500 
>board to fit into an A1000 case, so I doubt they will do the same with any
>new technology boards for A500 and A2000 systems.
>
	By your own estimates, let's say an upgrade costs $400 for new chips
and 32bit bus. 120,000 / 400 = 300. Is it that hard to sell 300 units to 
a minute 2 million customers, which is enough to warrant a port of 
Microsoft Excel but not new hardware upgrades? 

>---
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>--------------------------------------------------
>    "Beware the ides of September..."

	Beware the ideas of March...oops, Marc. I accidentally inserted
some extra letters there; ah, that felt better.


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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:24:10 GMT

In article <mykes.0ct0@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <34313@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>> In article <mykes.0cnz@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> >more?  CBM told EA in 1985 that the A1000 would have a price tag of $1000.
>>
>> >So, EA jumps on the bandwagon and pumped big money into Amiga product and
>> >advertising.  Then the A1000 comes out at a price of > $2K.
>>
>> Actually, I believe it cost $1295 for the base 256K unit.  Sure, you could
>> add the 256K memory, the external disc drive, and the monitor (which
>> is what I expect you did) but that doesn't make the A1000 cost > $2K.
>>
>
>I paid $2250 for my first A1000.  You are telling me that the monitor,
>256K and disk drive cost $1K?

I paid $1295 for the base unit, $200.00 for the 256K of memory,
and around $500.00+ for the 1084 monitor (which I still have).  My
total hardware cost was around $2000.00.  Perhaps you purchased
additional software which raised the price, or your dealer made
over MSRP.

>
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)



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From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.031501.19194@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>--------------------------------------------------
>    "Beware the ides of September..."

Ides of September?? In dictionary ides mean day fifteen of March, May
July, October.  You mean TIDES of September? Iowa has ocean?!?


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Sim Earth (was Re: Cheer Up)
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:08:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.224900.10844@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.030552.5286@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>>Curiously, do you know how it compared to SimEarth for Windows?
>>>The Amiga version has been written with AmigaDOS 2.0 in mind, so it has the
>>>same underlying GUI design principle. Maxis is one of a few companies that
>>>has utilized the high-resolution capabilities of the system and one which
>>>I'm willing to bet will develop applications using increased palettes and
>>>on-screen colours. Nicely done.
>
>>gain: do you know how it compaired to the WINDOWS version?  MS-Windows?
>
>Once again: the AMIGA version ie. COMMODORE AMIGA, incorporates the same
>windowing metaphor and uses the native graphics system and sound to its fullest
>extent, while preserving the pre-emptive multitasking capabilities of the
>OS.
>
>It will not do 1024 x 768 in 256 colours, if this is what floats your boat.

LAST TIME: Are you prepared to compare the Amiga SimEarth and the Windows 3.1
SimEarth?

>
>Mark
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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:55:40 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Thu 20 Aug 92  2:57, andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy
Finkel) wrote:

 AF> Those are the ads I was thinking of;  I've got a couple of them here;
 AF> they are multiplatform ads, mentioning the games being developed for
the
 AF> Amiga and for other platforms.


I have the very first issue of Amiga World in which EA had an ad on how
Electronic Arts was Committed to the Amiga. Lots of conversions were shown
that were due out "Real Soon Now" and never showed. Pinball Construction
Set was one of the ones I was waiting for. Return to Atlantis finally
showed, 4 years late or so, and wasn't worth the effort IMHO. The ads were
really gushy and it's too bad we lost that committment from EA. 

Too bad so many things that were promised back then never came to light.
Borland's Turbo Pascal advertised in that same issue would have been nice
as well...



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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:28:49 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug10.113330@sun8.lri.fr> jpr@sun8.lri.fr (Jean-Pierre Riviere) writes:
> In article <1992Aug8.234743.6187@newshost.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu
> (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
> |> >	Most PC users are totally ignorant of the Amiga.
> |>
> |> 	Most Amiga users are totally ignorant of IBM's OS2 2.0.
>
> You american have also to remeber than while you get OS2 2/o for nearly free,
> we European (and at least French) would bay the *BIG PRICE* for that piece of
> software.
> Besides, OS2 lacks real OS2 applications. Why run poor MSDOS/WINDOWS software
> on OS2, it's pointless. But you have no choice. (This critics were made from
> several IBMers I know, which prove that even IBMers here dislike OS2.)
>

I installed OS/2 on my new Dell.  I did a full-blown install.  I am very impressed
with OS/2 and find it (outward appearance) to be superior to AmigaOS in every way,
or at least as good - both let you drag icons to the desktop, and both multitask.
The similarities are so very strong - OS/2 even has Rexx built-in.   And Amiga OS
has nothing like the on-line documentation that everything in OS/2 supports.
Not even close.  AmigaGuide is a JOKE compared...  The multitasking is just what
an Amiga person wants, too.

After running DOS and Windows apps under OS/2, I got to see what a lousy environment
OS/2 is to use in practice.  The display constantly switches to text mode to launch
apps, and it runs Windows programs on dedicated screens instead of on the desktop (some
do run on the desktop, but not enough for my taste).  OS/2 would not support resolutions
higher than 640x480 (well, maybe 800x600 if you have the right driver).  And I got
OS/2 to crash so bad it wouldn't boot anymore - just printed C00005 in text mode
and hung.

OS/2 2.0 has a big strike against it: .0  - I don't want to use anything with .0 at the
end of the version number :)  I called IBM support and they promised a new version of
OS/2 near the end of the year with better features.  OS/2 could very well be the future
of the PC world, but it is not the present.  I could post a 100K text file (README)
that IBM put in the root of the boot volume which listed a hundred apps that have
problems running under OS/2 in a good way - but I have since reformatted my hard disk
and installed DOS and windows again.

I have an open mind.  I tried it.  I would not recommend it to anyone, other than as
a curiosity.  I did find ftp sites with lots of PD software for OS/2, but not much of
it would compell me to stick with OS/2 for now.

> |> 						G.Greene
> |>
> |> >
> |> >Fred Heitkamp,  ** Only my own opinions **
>
> Jean-Pierre RIVIERE
> *and only HIS opinions of course*

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