HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: How to set From: line
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:24:36 GMT

In article <27405@dog.ee.lbl.gov> envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz) writes:
>I asked the following question in comp.unix.questions, but apparently it is
>even too wizardly for that group ... So I try here...

I replied.  Perhaps you forgot to read comp.unix.questions to see if
there were any responses.  I enclose the body of my reply below.

In article <27022@dog.ee.lbl.gov> envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz) writes:
>
>My problem is, how to configure the Return-Path used by the mailer 
>when it is creating headers. In principle, my mailer works fine, i.e. 
>I can send and receive mail via the net. However, if people try to use 
>the REPLY function of their mailers to answer mail comming from our site, 
>the replies bounce, because the mailer generated a wrong 'RETURN-PATH:' 
>line. 

   (1)  If anybody tries to use the "Return-Path:" header for a reply,
	then their mail software is broken.  They should be replying to
	the address in "From:".

   (2)  If your 'sendmail' is sending out messages containing a
	"Return-Path" then your configuration is broken.  "Return-Path:"
	is supposed to be added only at the final hop (i.e. at the
	destination site) when delivering to the mailbox.

   (3)	"Return-Path:" is unreliable, partlty because many people make
	the mistake in (2) above, and partly because 'sendmail' makes
	no attempt to correct the mistake.

>I checked the man on sendmail, and it says the configuration is done in 
>/etc/sendmail.cf .  In this file I indeed found a line like
>RETURN PATH: <$g>
>
>Great. But where is $g defined ???

$g is defined internally.  It is set to the return path.  It is actually
the address returned by the rewrite rules.  That is, the sender name is
processed by ruleset 3, ruleset 1, the mailer specific ruleset in the
"S=" operand, and by ruleset 4.  The final result becomes $g.
From: envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: How to set From: line
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:30:24 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.39

I asked the following question in comp.unix.questions, but apparently it is
even too wizardly for that group ... So I try here...

My problem is, how to configure the Return-Path used by the mailer 
when it is creating headers. In principle, my mailer works fine, i.e. 
I can send and receive mail via the net. However, if people try to use 
the REPLY function of their mailers to answer mail comming from our site, 
the replies bounce, because the mailer generated a wrong 'RETURN-PATH:' 
line. 

I checked the man on sendmail, and it says the configuration is done in 
/etc/sendmail.cf .  In this file I indeed found a line like
RETURN PATH: <$g>
and
H?F?From: $q

Great. But where are $g dnd $q efined ???  Of course, I could put in some 
constant string, but I only want to receive the replies to my own mails,
not *everybody's* !

Following some suggestions from the 'wizards', I already checked the 
following points:

  * use elm: I don't have elm
  * the hostname databaste (/etc/hosts); it looks ok:
    there's a line for the mailer-host:
       192.9.100.3     star cstbsop
    and for my own host:
       127.0.0.1       localhost



  * The file /usr/lib/mailhosts contains the mailhost:
       star

  * "You could write a shell script which takes the letter, adds the
     Reply-To header, and then feeds it to sendmail."
     I can't believe that there isn't a simple, proper solution !

  * "Might get more help by posting to comp.mail.sendmail" ... done !



  

Thanks for any kind of hint !

Werner

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Werner Keilholz                     EMAIL: werner@CSTB.FR                 or
CSTB Sophia Antipolis                      CSTBSOP!werner@CORTON.INRIA.FR or
BP 209                                     envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov
06904 SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS                     Warning: mail header replies
F R A N C E / United States of Europe               to CSTB don't work!

  It's not the holy Grail - it's ISO !
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From: jakirwi@nswc.navy.mil (ea00)
Newsgroups: comp.mail,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Direct Mail to Newsgroup in rn
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:32:20 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center



   Currently, mail received by our users from mailing lists is
 currently being put into one local newsgroup at our site.
 We would prefer to have the individual articles go to 
 appropriate newsgroups based on their topics.  Has anyone
 implemented such a strategy? It seems nearly impossible
 at the current time, and any advice would be greatly
 appreciated.

  Jean Kirwin
  
  jakirwi@ea00.nswc.navy.mil
From: K.K.Akosa@sequent.cc.hull.ac.uk ("cs3.akosa")
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MultiMedia Authoring Book (HELP) (fwd)
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:40:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: venera.199211122241.AA27385
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Forwarded message:
From kka2 Tue Nov 10 19:11:56 1992
Subject: Re: MultiMedia Authoring Book (HELP)
To: nsb@com.bellcore.thumper (Nathaniel Borenstein)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:11:56 WET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Has anyone had experience using the Andrew Toolkit ?
Do you know if it can be used to produce Hypertext/Hypermedia authoring tools
and lastly deos anyone know of any bookstores in the US that export books,
to the UK(England), I have been trying to buy a copy of 'Multimedia
Applications Development with the Andrew Toolkit' by Nathaniel Borenstein,
Published by Prentice Hall ,1990. All the Bookstores in HULL say they
won't be able to obtain for at least 6-7 weeks and I can't wait that long.
Also I would appreciate any help that anyone could give me.

PS has anyone had experience with InterViews or MAEstro if you have then
please mail me.

Thankyou 
<Kofi Akosa>
--------------------------------------------------------------
PLEASE MAIL ALL DIRECT CORRESPONDENCE TO
kka2@seq.hull.ac.uk or csug3kka@bertie.cs.hull.ac.uk
--------------------------------------------------------------
Kofi Akosa, Computer Science DEPT., UNIVERSITY OF HULL,
HULL, N.HUMBERSIDE HU6 7RX, ENGLAND, UK.
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From: S.Kille@ISODE.COM (Steve Hardcastle-Kille)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME and X.400
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:44:29 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

The ISODE Consortium Release 1 of ISODE in december will have support
for MIME/X.400 mapping according to the latest internet drafts. 

Steve


 >From:  pipex!pavo.csi.cam.ac.uk!seaeagle.csi.cam.ac.uk!A.Grant@uunet.uu.net 
(Alasdair Grant)
 >To:    mmm-people@ISI.EDU
 >Subject: Re: MIME and X.400
 >Date:  31 Oct 92 17:39:59 GMT

 >Thanks to all the people who pointed me to the IETF drafts on MIME-X.400
 >conversion. The next question is when ISODE PP will support it!
From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: rambling questions:showpartial, Sun OW3, DOS
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:10:50 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

1.  You say you do this as "metamail p1 p2 p3".  Does the same problem
happen when you do "metamail p1; metamail p2; metamail p3"?  This would
be the more usual way to do it.  Either way it is a bug, but I'm trying
to pin the problem down a little better...

2.  OpenWindows Mailtool 3.0 is *NOT* MIME-conformant.  It uses a format
that is similar to, but different from, MIME.  I have heard strong
indications that the next version of this tool will be MIME-smart, but I
don't think there's been any official committement from Sun.

3.  MIME-smart versions of Eudora and Maelstrom are reportedly in the
pipeline.  I don't think anyone has ported the metamail code to the Mac
because the basic interface paradigm is so different as to make the code
less directly useful there than on other platforms.

4.  Maybe metamail really is out of memory.  If you can trace it (either
with a debugger or by turning on metamail debugging, e.g. with MM_DEBUG)
we can figure out where & why it is running out.

I hope these answers are at least a little bit helpful...  -- Nathaniel
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From: admerlev@sundae.triumf.ca ( Arnd Merlevede )
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media,alt.news-media,comp.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,alt.fax,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: New Voice,FAX, data and video system
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:44:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: iskut.1e0t2kINNshe
Reply-To: admerlev@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
Distribution: inet
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sundae.triumf.ca

Just saw this and thougth it might be interesting to this group:

NEW MULTIMEDIA SYSTEM WILL ENABLE VOICE, FAX, DATA AND
VIDEO MESSAGING VIA PHONE LINE

Kalman Technologies Inc. has introduced HydraWorks, the first low-cost
communications management system designed to integrated voice, fax,
data and document processing in a single product. Think of it as a
digital "executive assistant" which can automate your incoming and
outgoing phone calls and faxes, and even take customer orders over
the telephone. With its powerful interactive voice response and
fax-on-demand capabilities, HydraWorks enables businesses to
economically set up automated information management systems so
that employees are freed up to concentrate on other work.
HydraWorks essentially combines several products in one: a voice
processor, interactive document processor, fax/voice LAN server,
fax/voice mail system, and a scanning server.

Importantly, HydraWorks can also easily handle customized functions.
That's because the system is configured using MediaScript, a
powerfully flexible software script that gives you the capability
to set up unique fax-on-demand and voice processing functions to
meet the unique needs of your organization.
And, as the spectrum of business communications continues to expand,
HydraWorks will take your business into the world of multimedia.
The full multimedia version of the product, to be released in the first
quarter of 1993, features voice, fax, data and full-motion video
transport capabilities. This product will turn your existing fax line
into a multimedia transport channel. You'll be able to assemble an
"information packet" of voice, data, image and video form your PC,
and send it over your fax line in one neat package.

HydraWorks' special introductory price: PC card and software for U$ 695.
For more info. on HydraWorks, Contact
Kalman Technologies at (604) 684-3118 (fax: 684-2324).
Or for an instant demonstration, call the demo line at (604) 684-6999.


--
Any replies appreciated to : Arnd.Merlevede@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
I hate to tell you, but you're only being simulated on the new cray !
(sdb: Would you like to save a backup of YOUR coredump ?)
From: babcock@CC.GATECH.EDU (Jim Babcock)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: M-M tech Fair participants wanted
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:32:49 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet



Attached is an portion of a draft announcement about to go out.  The purpose 
of this msg to to solicit participants for the M-M fair described. There are
about 10 (total) demo slots available in Ga Tech's GVU (Graphics, Visualization,
and Usability) Lab room.  If you have an interest to be a demo participant 
with your work in-progress (or completed!) please apply to:

	Mike McMcracken, Director of CIMR
	e-mail: mike@cc.gatech.edu
	phone: 404-894-6172
	Fax: 404-853-9378 

Cheers, JIm Babcock
=============================================================================

			D R A F T 

The Center for Information Management Research (CIMR) is sponsoring a
multi-media technology fair at the College of Computing at Georgia Tech
in Atlanta Ga., on Wednesday, December 9 from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. 

The purpose of the fair is to demonstrate state-of-the-art multi-media
technologies to potential users, and other multi-media researchers.  

We will showcase technology from vendors of multi-media technology as well as 
multi-media applications developers. You will see first-hand how this technology
is currently being used, or how it will be used.  Networked applications,
collaborative work, and innovative uses will be highlighted.  Also, the
award-winning Olympics interactive video developed by Georgia Tech faculty and
graduate students will be shown.

[...........]

CIMR was developed in 1988 at the University of Arizona and Georgia Institute 
of Technology to promote research that focuses on the complexity of today's
distributed organizations, the information systems that attempt to support
those organizations, and the complexity of developing such information 
systems.

The Center conducts research on behalf of its member companies. In addition, 
the Center provides additional consulting to its members upon request. 
Four of the eight member companies are also supporting enhancement projects,
specifically targeted at needs of those member companies.

In addition to annual meetings for the member companies, the CIMR conducts 
annual technology fairs, bringing together researchers, advanced development
engineers, and users of technology to showcase state of the 
art tools appropriate to the development or use of information systems.  
Planned future technology fairs will showcase CASE tools, collaboration 
technologies and network management systems.


[................]

===============================================================================---------------------
Jim Babcock, Director of Development, College of Computing, Rm 150, 
801 Atlantic Drive, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332-0280
Phone 404 894 9106,  Fax 404 853 9378,  EMail babcock@cc.gatech.edu
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"I don't make jokes; I just watch the Government and report the facts" 
								Will Rogers ...........................................................................



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From: ziegast@rodan.UU.NET (Eric W. Ziegast)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME and xmh
Date: 5 Nov 1992 08:03:25 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies - Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: ziegast@uunet.uu.net (Eric W. Ziegast)
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

mjh@cc.ic.ac.uk (Martyn at Rimmer) writes:
> My question is: Is anyone working on a fully MIME compatible version
> of xmh. The idea being that xmh would interpret a MIME message and
> display the body parts as icons which when hit with the mouse button
> would play the audio or display a image. Certain body parts (eg
> richtext or gifs?) could be actually show in xmh itself by usings
> a different widget or something. A grander solution might be to
> invent a multi-media widget.

Some time ago I played with the idea of using Wcl to replace all of
the functionality of Xmh.  I currently use Axe (with hacks) as my Xmh
editor/whatnow, but want things like word wrap, indentation, spell
checker, etc... and possibly the implementation of MIME (seperate
pop-ups for displaying parts of a message, a special Import dialog
box for incorperating non-text files and a sendproc filter that
ensures that the message is properly formatted).  It's not what I
get paid for, so I'm not planning to do it anytime soon.

It is at least possible to incorperate MIME viewing into xmh (for
viewing) by using your Xdefaults to attach a program (shell script?)
to a button so that when it's pressed, the current message can be
passed through mhn(1) for various parts of a message.  As for
inputting files/images/rtf into a MIME message for sending, you need
to use a better editor with your Xmh before you can do that.  I chose
Axe because it was easily customizable (yet, people rag on me for not
preferring vi or emacs).
--
Eric Ziegast
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: thacker@cc1.unt.edu (Mark D. Thacker x2568)
Subject: Re: where to get mime software and documentation
Organization: Computing Center, UNT
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.155125.27149@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> chucks@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Chuck Strickland) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
>Path: mercury.unt.edu!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!ames!purdue!yuma!csn!news.den.mmc.com!iplmail!chucks
>From: chucks@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Chuck Strickland)
>Subject: where to get mime software and documentation
>Message-ID: <1992Nov11.155125.27149@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>
>Sender: chucks@iplmail (Chuck Strickland)
>Organization: Martin Marietta
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:51:25 GMT
>Lines: 13
> I have recently learned of the existence of mime and would like to
> have access to it. could someone please inform me of the location of
> software/documentation regarding mime. I have internet mail and ftp 
> capability.
>
> thanks,
>-- 
>*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
>Malcolm C. Strickland                 Martin Marietta Missle Systems
>chuck-strickland@orl.mmc.com          mail point 170    
>Phone: 407-356-7437                   pobox 555837
>Fax:   407-356-5482                   orlando florida 32855-5837
>*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*

Try ftping to thumper.bellcore.com and looking in pub/nsb for some MIME 
items.

Mark Thacker                Bitnet : MARK@UNTVAX -or- THENET : NTVAXA::MARK
CC1 Novell LAN Manager      Internet : Thacker@cc1.unt.edu
Computing Center                  or : Mark@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas   Denton, Texas 76203    817-565-2324
From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME mods for rn?
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bxo13n.GtJ
Distribution: inet
Organization: Rice University

Slightly off topic, but has anyone made mods to rn and other
common newsreaders to support MIME body parts? An increasing
number of the mailing lists I follow are being gatewayed to
Usenet newsgroups, and I'd like to continue to have the
functionality of a MIME-cognizant tool for news.

Pointers to code extremely welcome -- and I'll take "go ahead, go
for it" too.

-- 
David Boyes
dboyes@rice.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: chucks@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Chuck Strickland)
Subject: where to get mime software and documentation
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:51:25 GMT

 I have recently learned of the existence of mime and would like to
 have access to it. could someone please inform me of the location of
 software/documentation regarding mime. I have internet mail and ftp 
 capability.

 thanks,
-- 
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*
Malcolm C. Strickland                 Martin Marietta Missle Systems
chuck-strickland@orl.mmc.com          mail point 170    
Phone: 407-356-7437                   pobox 555837
Fax:   407-356-5482                   orlando florida 32855-5837
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: mjh@cc.ic.ac.uk (Martyn at Rimmer)
Subject: MIME and xmh
Organization: Imperial College
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 10:44:12 GMT

I recently posted a message to the mh and few X releated groups about
MIME and xmh -- but I did not get much response -- I did not know this
group existed then -- May be  comp.mail.multi-media will prove
more fruitful.

My question is: Is anyone working on a fully MIME compatible version
of xmh. The idea being that xmh would interpret a MIME message and
display the body parts as icons which when hit with the mouse button
would play the audio or display a image. Certain body parts (eg
richtext or gifs?) could be actually show in xmh itself by usings
a different widget or something. A grander solution might be to
invent a multi-media widget.

I have been told that the next version of mh (not xmh) will be MIME
compatable (but I don't know what that means - maybe just the fix
to call metamail ?). I also know that quite abit of work is being
done at MIT to incorperate multi-media into X.

Can anybody fill me in on plans/work in progress. If nothing is 
happening, I'm think of doing it myself.

Please mail me or this newsgroup if of general interest since I shall be
reading it from on.

Martyn

BTW If this is a FAQ I beg your forgiveness.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Martyn Hampson                                   m.hampson@cc.ic.ac.uk 
 lmperial College Computer Centre.
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From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME and xmh
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:08:10 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.mmm-people: 8-Nov-92 Re: MIME and xmh Jack
Churchill@tcgould.t (1070)

> What an excellent idea!  Sounds a bit like how Microsoft Mail works on PCs.
> Does anyone have a realistic view on when such nice fronts ends will be
> available on unix systems?

Well, one "nice front end" to MIME that's here today is the latest
Andrew release.  Coming soon, I've heard, are nice front ends that
understand MIME from NeXT, Sun, and Z-mail.

Excerpts from internet.mmm-people: 8-Nov-92 Re: MIME and xmh Markku
Savela@ames.arc.n (1851)

> I am approaching the problem from
> bottom up and not making a single "multi-media widget". Instead, I am
> trying to build a widget for each content type. 

I think this is a good idea as far as it goes, but you might consider a
hybrid strategy of the kind now implemented by Andrew.  Andrew now
recognizes many MIME content-types and displays them in an integrated
manner.  Whenever it hits an unrecognized type, however, it hides it
behind a "button" object.  When you click on the button object, it runs
metamail on just that body-part.  This means that you can have the nice
integrated interface for the most common media types, but can fall back
to the flexible configuration of metamail and mailcap files for the
unrecognized media types.  This hybrid strategy seems to work very well
for Andrew, at least.  -- Nathaniel
From: ip_boss@degsyd.syd.deg.csiro.au (Jack Churchill)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: MIME and xmh
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:45:29 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Exploration Geoscience

In article <1992Nov5.104412.2241@cc.ic.ac.uk>, mjh@cc.ic.ac.uk (Martyn at Rimmer) writes:
> My question is: Is anyone working on a fully MIME compatible version
> of xmh. The idea being that xmh would interpret a MIME message and
> display the body parts as icons which when hit with the mouse button
> would play the audio or display a image. Certain body parts (eg
> richtext or gifs?) could be actually show in xmh itself by usings
> a different widget or something. A grander solution might be to
> invent a multi-media widget.

What an excellent idea!  Sounds a bit like how Microsoft Mail works on PCs.
Does anyone have a realistic view on when such nice fronts ends will be
available on unix systems?

-- 
  Jack N. Churchill                         | J.Churchill@syd.deg.csiro.au
  CSIRO  Division of Exploration Geoscience | churchill@decus.com.au
  PO Box 136  North Ryde  NSW  2113         | Phone:  +61 2 887 8884
  Australia                                 | Fax:    +61 2 887 8909
** Unless otherwise specified, the opinions expressed here are my own. **
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