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From: enute1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eric J. Nute)
Subject: Re: Good werewolves/bad werewolves - a question ?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:23:34 GMT

In article <Bxyu01.LMu@informatik.uni-muenchen.de>,
bachmann@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Theo Bachmann) writes:
> The killing of our prey (ah, humans) is not to feed, but an attempt to stop the
> humans from destroying our enviroment...
> 
> 
> see you at midnight
> 
>                   theo



I think you've gotten too much into Werewolf: The Apocolypse.  Just like in
that other group, White Wolf is only making GAMES, not diffinitive
collections of folklore.

Eric J.
Nute
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Followup-To: alt.horror.werewolves
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:03:48 GMT

For an interesting alternative werewolf framework, read Larry Niven's
short story 'What Good is a Glass Dagger?' (one of the very few
fantasy works he ever did).  The main character is one of a race of
werewolves who learns something very startling about the origin of his
species.  This story is commonly found in a collection called 'Flight
of the Horse' (which also contains one other story pertaining to
werewolves...) 

Now, what -else- are we gonna talk about on this group?  Any (other :-)
lycanthrope subscribers out there?

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From: lbranden@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Ca Brandenburg)
Subject: tv show
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:49:04 GMT

can anyone tell me why the tv show She-Wolf of London has another name,
Love and Curses?  does anyone else watch this show?

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From: stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer)
Subject: Re: question about lycanthropes
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:31:03 GMT

Tanya Ann Olsen (tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
: I've commonly heard the word lycanthrope used in reference to 'weres' in 
: general.  In AD&D's Monster Manual, they list lycanthropes as a major 
: heading under which werewolves, werbears, wertigers, and wererats are
: all included....
: 
: Tanya
: 
: 
True, but it is improperly used by AD&D. The word lycanthrope means
"werewolves", specifically the wolf. However, there have been legends
farr more popular and wide spread than those of the werewolf. A couple
of these include the cunning, magic werefoxes, and the werehyenas that
are popular in African legends. So tell me, net readers, if lycanthropecy
is not he correct name to group all these "were beasts" uner, then what 
is?


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| It's the sputter of a raindrop. It's the sunlight on my face |
| My mind's eye into other realms. It's my paradise escape.    |
| Steve Spencer	SLC, Utah 	stv@unislc.slc.unisys.com      |
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From: ajm9230@hertz.njit.edu (anthony j messina coe stnt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:08:11 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

How about literature? I have a few books pertaining to wolves and
werewolves...I haven't read all of them yet, but they are:

Title			Author		Publisher

St. Peter's Wolf by Michael Cadnum (Carroll & Graf)
The Ultimate Werewolf by various authors (Dell Press)
The Werewolf Principle by Clifford D. Simak (Putnam)
The Wolfling by Gordon Dickinson (Baen Books)
Wolves  Text & Photos by Candace Savage, Foreword by L.David Mech
					(Sierra Club) )
This last one is great for up close shots of wolves...very high quality.
It also has a nice little story behind the legend of werewolves and how
it originated.

That's all I can think of right now...

Arrrrooooooooooo!
hehe

Anthony
From: r_plessn@oz.plymouth.edu (Rickyriooyayaya)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: r_plessn@oz.plymouth.edu (Rickyriooyayaya)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.

In article <psmith.722016037@cunews> psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
>I'm sure many of you saw the original "The Howling" movie.  I thought
>it was excellent.  However, I had the misfortune of going to see
>"Howling II":  holy shit was that an abomination!  The makers even
>embarrassed those responsible for the first one by attempting to make
>a link between them.  Frig I could have done the film in my basement
>with similar quality.
>
>Complaints aside, is the rest of the series as bad as II.  I think I
>noticed titles as high as VI.  Unfortunately, I get the impression
>they are playing up the sex angle too much and taking away from the
>werewolf subject.
>
>bye

Yes I saw the first, and I agree!  A must see!  Very good effects and
good story too!  How often do you find those two things together in a
horror movie???
	I also agree  ABout the successors of The Howling,  Parts
I,II,III,IV,V all sucked!  Someone new directing it or something!!
I think one of them was about austrailian Werewolves that we
Marsupial(sp) which means they have a pouch to carry their young
around.  I also think you are right,  They do tend to focus upon the
sexual act alot, between Werewolves and humans!  Boy Deranged people
out there!!  Bram Stokes Dracula  had some good werewolf scenes,
including a somewhat cool sex scene between a werewolf and a
mesmerized(Sp) woman.  Cool flick too!!!  Oh well, just my opinion!
		Rick
From: drwho@planet10.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Good Werewolf/Bad Werewolf ...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:32:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

In article <92324.130615U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <Qf2Kx7y00awIE3fGcE@andrew.cmu.edu>, Larry Lyle
><ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>>
>>brought up to believe...  But I'm sorta curious...  Are there any other
>>good werewolves out there?
>>De
>>The Werewolf at CMU.
>>Lycanthrope.

There was one werewolf character in "The Howling" who may be
considered a "good guy".  At least I assume that person was a
werewolf; the character never shape-shifted at all through the 
course of the movie, however.

>The last I heard, he'd
>adopted a different name and put his prowess and regenerative abilities to
>good use as a police officer in some Canadian city.
>
>Terrence Wilcze, Kindred,
>writing through the account of
>Douglas P. Wojtowicz.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the vampire Nick Knight? :-)

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # "Are you sure that you want to do this?
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # [ny]"
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # No, but can I do it anyway?
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
From: corleyj@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Death to the Lupines
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <92324.152954SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu> SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>We will drink all your clans blood with our fangs....
>
>
>long live the Clan.
>
>
>Anarch.

Both of you are dead already, but you don't know it yet.
The human race will never be defeated.  Rationality will
triumph over all.

Frank, pass me that scalpel.                 

A Mad Scientist
From: kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: S. P. Somtow's _Moon Dance_
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:09:40 GMT

I wonder if I'm the first to post here. There doesn't seem to be anyone
around. But to get things started, even though I'm not a big horror reader
and would normally (U)nsubscribe from a newsgroup like this, I did read
_Moon Dance_ by my friend Somtow and thought it was a mindblow...anyone
else??
-- 


                              ~  Jason Y. Kim  ~
                                     ~=@=~
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 10:57:54 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
 <92324.124412U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> <BxzF32.LMr@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In article <BxzF32.LMr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M.
Romanowski) says:
>
>U16244@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>        How fortunate to have a practicing vampire among us.  And do you
>drink blood, or merely suck a bit of astral fluid out of rips in the
>aura?
Astral fluid?  Rips in Aura?  You must be thinking of breeds of
psionics who have the gall to think they are of immortal blood.  Of
course I drink blood, but only very rarely do I drain more than a half
of a pint from a single subject.  Well, unless someone is trying to
slay me.  Then I merely drink up and don't have to worry about feeding
for about two months (although I admit I move slower than a human who's
just scarfed down a Thanksgiving dinner and a sixpack of beer).
>        Runes and spells, znajomy?  What sort of runes and spells?
>The Futhark?  And do you work in Old Norse?  Old Church Slavonic?
I do not work any runes.  However, those who engage the supernatural
often do it through either potions or powerful inscriptions, which I
for the sake of convenience, call runes, even though it may sound as
simple and as foolish as saying letters, or hieroglyphics.  Runes just
has been accepted as mystic writings in recent times, and I go with
the conventions.  And you ask which particular spells and runes?
Everything from early Celtic to actual Egyptian and Leopard Men shamman
magic.  If you want any more detailed information, you will not get it,
for I have no wish to deal with yet another idiotic pretender to any
blood (I do not imply you, or anyone else to be idiotic, but to become
a werewolf through ritual or Curse is indeed something torturous, and
quite dangerous to the rest of their community as a whole).
>>Terrence Wilcze, (Wolf-Cub to those who do not speak Polish)  Kindred.
>>writing through the account of
>>Douglas P. Wojtowicz, u16244@uicvm.edu
>
>Pan Richard Michael Dionysios Romanowski
Thank you for your reply Pan Romanowski.

Terrence Wilcze.
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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Wolf Children of India
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:06:39 GMT

	I remember reading (somewhere, and quite a while ago) that some animals
will adopt human infants found (abandoned, of course) in the wild...Tarzan, I 
believe, based on a Lord Greystoke (see "Greystoke:  The Legend of Tarzan" an 
excellent movie with Christopher Lambert) and I remember reading about the 
girls some seven years ago (in a seventh grade version of Reader's Digest).

This help anyone?

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
From: an_ind21@oswego.oswego.edu (Edward G. Farrell )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Silver and werewolves
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:39:38 GMT
Organization: oswego state

In article <1992Nov19.184318.16526@unislc.uucp>, stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer) writes:
> 
> 
> As was mentioned in another article on this net, silver was not always
> the traditional way of killing a werewolf. I find that most myhts
> have some "reasoning" behind them. And I tend to doubt that silver
> is the real killer of these beasts. So my question is: What was considered
> the magical remedy before? I'm willing to bet it's either some sort 
> of mystical ritual, or some odd concoction made with an "antidote" to
> wolfsbane. Anybody know?
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> | It's the sputter of a raindrop. It's the sunlight on my face |
> | My mind's eye into other realms. It's my paradise escape.    |
> | Steve Spencer	SLC, Utah 	stv@unislc.slc.unisys.com      |
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
   While magical formulas did exist to exorcise werewolves the most common
method was to merely catch and execute them. As they were viewed as criminals
and heretics they would normally be hung or burned. There are very few tales
in which any special means was needed to kill them.

                                                               - Ed
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Werewolf copulation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1ea5olINNad4@phakt.usc.edu> tgoodman@phakt.usc.edu (Theodore Goodman) writes:
>
>  I am working on a werewolf story and a question on werewolves has crossed
>my way.  How do werewolves copulate?  Missionary position?  Rear-entry (ie,
>doggy-style)?  And how would a werewolf rape a human?  I figured that
>individuals who are just beginning to turn werewolf would tend toward human
>instincts for such things, while completely-turned werewolves would tend 
>toward
>-- 
>  Theodore Goodman / tgoodman@usc.edu

If you want to see a werewolf raping a human you need to see Bram Stoker's
_Dracula_.  There is a scene where Dracula in a kinda of  wereform halfway
between wolf and human is raping a woman.  (Actually she has been charmed 
by him so its still rape although she's not physically resisting)

The movie itself is bit overdone, lots of color washes et cetera, also
lots of nudity so you may not want to take your kids to it.

Ithlial


My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:29:54 EST
From: <SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Death to the Lupines

We will drink all your clans blood with our fangs....


long live the Clan.


Anarch.
From: an_ind21@oswego.oswego.edu (Edward G. Farrell )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:35:22 GMT
Organization: oswego state

In article <psmith.722206576@cunews>, psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
> 
> Based on someone's ratings of these films, I thought I'd gamble a
> couple of bucks on Howling...shiiiiiiiiit  I forgot which number!!  Oh
> well, if you're looking at them, read the promo.  It is the one about
> a writer who is told to get some rest at a little cabin...with
> predictable results.
> 
> The audio pickup was low-end at best, and there were some poor scenes.
> However, all in all it was worth the couple of bucks.  Not even close
> to H1 but better than HII by the same margin (the only others I have seen).
> 
> Thanks to whoever gave the relational ratings.
> 
> 
  This film would be HOWLING IV: the original nightmare. My own view is that
the film is far behind the first one and I even found the second one a little
better. The problem with #4 was the almost complete lack of gore yet it was
interesting how they went back to the original novel for the storyline.
  I think parts III and VI were the worst especially III. My view is this,
if you can't make a good werewolf movie than you might as well make a bloody
one.

                                                                    - Ed
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From: tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tanya Ann Olsen)
Subject: Re: question about lycanthropes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:08:33 GMT

In article <If2KiJK00awIQ3fGAm@andrew.cmu.edu> Larry Lyle <ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>	Hmmmm, Good question.  I think considering the myth behind the word and
>the fact that I have never heard it applied to other werebeasts.. that
>'lycantyhrope' refers exclusively to werewolves.
>
>De
>The Lupophile
>
>
>The werewolf at CMU  ...   Lycanthrope@cmu.edu


I've commonly heard the word lycanthrope used in reference to 'weres' in 
general.  In AD&D's Monster Manual, they list lycanthropes as a major 
heading under which werewolves, werbears, wertigers, and wererats are
all included....

Tanya






Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:22:49 -0500 
From: Larry Lyle <ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: question about lycanthropes
	<1992Nov19.183103.14931@unislc.uucp>

I guess my memory was jogged, and I do reemeber 'lyco-' beeing the greek
root for wolf...
	Anyway Steve Spence writes:
>True, but it is improperly used by AD&D. The word lycanthrope means
>"werewolves", specifically the wolf. However, there have been legends
>farr more popular and wide spread than those of the werewolf. A couple
>of these include the cunning, magic werefoxes, and the werehyenas that
>are popular in African legends. So tell me, net readers, if lycanthropecy
>is not he correct name to group all these "were beasts" uner, then what 
>is?

	Though it may be a dissapointment, I think he already said it...
'werebeasts'...  but  'shapeshifters'  may fit as well  and I guess that
may depend somewhat on the cuircumstances of the transformation. Seems
to me that there is a Franch word that can be applied to werebeasts in
general.  Forgive me if I totally butcher the spelling but I think
'loupgeru' refers to werewolf... and just the word 'geru' (however its
spelled :-)  refers to werebeasts in general....
	Anyway... a topic to be chewed on ...

Later
De
Lycanthrope.


-----------------------------------------------------------
Lycanthrope@cmu.edu
The Lupophile - Larry Lyle   
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From: heonj00@DMI.USherb.CA (Crazy Jeff)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Long Island Ice Tea addicts - ANS - Sauvons les iguanes!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:41:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.174605.6648@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>Hi! My name is Gard, and I'm not quite sure if I'm from Mars or if
>I am a werewolf. Can anyone help?

	Simple:

If an arm with tree fingers comes out from your stomach, you're a
martian.

If you shapeshift at full moons, you're a werewolf.

If you drink at full moons(and other times anyway), you're a beerwolf.

	Good luck,
			Werewolf Jeff
-- 
	So seek the wolf in thyself
		-Metallica
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From: mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie (Kubik)
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:45:17 GMT

On your mentioning killing.. It is my opinion that werewolves wouldn't
kill for no reason, usually (unless they were psychotic or something),
they would kill out of Anger, or hunger. And I guess the transformation
makes for a pretty hungry wolf, don't you think? :)
These assumptions are based on my personal views and experiences, though
I have never killed myself, I've felt the urge more than once.

Mark.

--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Harley...	         |  "Truth is, Belief is not required",  Gerry Roston.
mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie    |
(Kubik)		         |  "I am, Belief is not required",                Me. 
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Information I
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:00:12 GMT

rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu  writes:
> ean@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Naratil) writes:
> 
> 	Or perhaps they WERE wer-wolves.  Unfortunately, it would be damn
> hard to reproduce their work by experiment, since human blood can no
> longer safely be drunk and man is much further from nature than in those
> days.  In fact, people get quite upset even at simple and pious gestures,
> like regular human sacrifice to assure the good favor of the gods dwelling
> under the swamps...
> 
> 	On the topic of berserkers, they weren't IMHO exploiting the rep
> of mere bears.  Better to run into several hundred bears than one berserker.
> Humans make the most vicious of animals look like Snuggles the fabric 
> softener bear.  (You object that animals were more fierce in those days.  
> I would STILL take my chances with the bears.  Especially if the berserkers
> were Swedes ... )  Probably the bear was a totemic symbol, corresponding to
> the superconscious insights achieved while hacking people limb from limb...
>
	First, where else would the berserkers come from (I am only familiar
with the Nordic peoples having a "berserker" warrior.  As to the rest of the 
berserker abilities, "science" could have the answer...adrenalin.  Having an
intense temper (and even a great deal of Swedo-germanic ancestry), I can almost
imagine what the berserkergang was like.  In a way, it is almost frightening.
To feel the rage and anger swell untill you don't know if you can control it
any longer (for the berserker this was not a real problem [however, in today's
society...]) is an incredible feeling, especially if you start to get funny 
feelings (like your changing...)

	I, too, would chance the bears...they would kill you quickly.  But, the
bear is still a fierce fighter, when she has to be.
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:50:57 GMT

In <1992Nov16.190225.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>Okay -- two things:

>1. Does anybody know of any good werewolf novels/short stories/magazines etc.?
>(I guess it would have been easier to just say literature but oh well.)

Cycle of the Werewolf was a quick read, and, yet, I did find it quite
good.  It is by Stephen King.

-Pete