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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Yayuk Basuki
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 17:11:29 GMT

Last week I asked if anyone knew what rank yayuk Basuki was.  A friend
of mine from rec.sport.tennis informed me that she is number 42 in the
world right now.

I post this in case any Indonesians or other Southeast Asians are interested.


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   0-0   at Tigers Monday, Wednesday and Thursday
 End the strike.  Get back on the ice.  Get the playoffs going.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: Singapore Newsbrief: April 10
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:39:28 GMT

>    Reuter, Singapore, April 10 - An advance party of 100 U.S. naval
>personnel will arrive in Singapore this month to set up a naval
>logistics base, the island state's Ministry of Defence said on Friday.

There goes the neighbourhood.  Looks like carrying a Singapore passport
will not be safe anymore.  All we need is for some group with an axe to
grind against the US to realize that Singapore has a US base (no matter
how small) and take their anger out on Singaporeans.

Were we as Singaporeans consulted on this?  No.
Should we have been consulted?  Yes.

I wonder what Chiam and company will say about this?

Enjoy.
--
Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:37:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.180048.14426@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Are you really this dumb or do you just like to act like one?
>Idiot, read your history books regarding ww2...  I don't have time to
>explain the facts to you...
>

Ya, constructive argument here....more name callings....you are truly an
amazing person. 

you don't have time or you don't have facts?

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:09:31 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr16.175412.17545@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>Yep, you are probably right.  There are no jails or slaughter houses.
>>The army just shoots people in the streets, remember last November?
>
>Prove it!. Where did you find "rumors" tellling Indonesian army shoots
>people in the streets. You need to know that there were 2 generals sacked 
>for their responsibility in the November 12 accident.

Just take a look at the various East Timor postings.  Look at the
article I forwarded from SEASIA-L.  Read twhat the new commander in
chief said.  After reading that come and tell me its all a rumour.

>>Govt. propaganda at the least.  I haven't seen a "free" newspaper in
>>Indonesia before.
>
>I haven't seen any "free" newspaper either. Is there any in Malaysia?
>For sure there is no free newspaper in Indonesia ever (as I remember).

For sure.  There is *NO* "free" newspaper in Indonesia or Malaysia.
They are all govt controlled to some degree.  That's my point.

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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:52:16 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.030947.4683@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.195216.29664@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>>>	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
>>>>assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
>>>>the natives.  If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
>>>>some other places...
>>>
>>>Yep, this chap is definately a NAZI, condoning genocide.
>>
>>	Could you give any documentation of a genocide committed by
>>the Indonesian government?  I have not come across any of this
>>allegation before, so it is a news item to me.  The so called
>>"cultural genocide" does not count.
>
>Zam, go read the UN charter on human rights.  You find what is defined 
>as genocide.  Then access what the Indon govt. did.  Use your intellect
>(I am tempted to flame here but I shall not) to see if the Indon
>govt had commited genocide or not.  FYI, the Aust govt's actions in
>forcing their Aboriginies to "assimiliate" in to the White culture,
>a move much less radical than the Indon govt's, has been branded as 
>genocide. 
>
>Ps.  I don't have the time to type in the UN charter here so I leave
>it up to interested readers to look it up.


	My last statement should tell you that I don't consider
"cultural genocide" as a genocide in the real sense of the word.  To
show that a genocide actually occurs, you have to show that the
Indonesian government has engaged in slaughtering its (or East Timor)
civilians' population.

	UN definition of a civilian is : (Article 50-1) A civilian is
any person who does not belong to the [armed forces].

	If you can show that you are only engaging the military, then
a genocide can not be proven using the UN Charter.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: panglima@ledang.gunung (Panglima Potong Telor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Diablo...
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:10:14 GMT
Organization: Pasukan Potong Telor

Well you should not be too surprise zam resort to such
lowly phrases to get his point across. Seasoned s.c.a
readers would have known his character.  There is no 
point debating or reasoning with him.  As you all have 
noticed lately he is very fond of #$%^^&.  Another point
is he has in other discussion regarding the Malaysian
racial problem a long long time back stated that he
hate Chinese.  With that phrase, I don't think there is
any point reasoning with him.  Well if the castration 
law is pass, perhaps he should be the first to be tested
on 8)

Panglima Potong Telor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:20:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183026.14101@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>
>	I do know for a fact that the Sultan of Brunai is considered
>as above the laws by the Brunai's constitutions.  I definitely made a
>hasty remark by saying that every royalty in this world is considered
>as above the laws; but in some countries, that is the case. The
>Royalty in England might not be considered as such, but she is still
>treated differently by the laws.  She does not have to pay taxes even
>though she is the richest woman in the world...
>

So you think that this is a good thing? that some individuals get away with
some things regular( i don't want to use normal) citizens don't?

>>
>>You make him sound like a God......is he? from the way you put it, 
>>possible...
>
>	What I made him to sound like is not important.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not important?! It sure reflects on your mental intellect.What next? The things
that you say are not important also? Perhaps........

>	My fault.  It was late last night when I wrote this, but you
>do get my point, don't you?
>

It also seem to me that you write all your post "late last night" when your
thoughts are disorganized and therefore a good excuse. However, i do hope that
you will write something more intelligent when you're wide awake......NOT!!!




>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysian transportation systems
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:04:34 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr15.073124.7331@leland.Stanford.EDU> azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:

>A monorail system would be a great idea for KL. Any Rapid Transit 
>transportation system is very much needed if we want to prevent KL

Most monorial systems are expensive to install and maintain.  However,
I saw a system being tested out in Indonesia in the TV series,
Beyond 2000, that is not only cheap but is energy efficient as well.
Perhaps Malaysia can benefit from such a system.

>For instance, I found it difficult
>to persuade many people to switch to compact fluorescent bulbs from the
>regular incandescent ones. These cost more but consumes much less energy
>and last longer. 

There is one draw back in fluorescent lamps however.  They flicker.
The flickering can cause tiredness if used in long periods and 
can also cause short term eye damage.

Also, the older designs (which are still widely used in Malaysia)
tend to produce too much electrical noise.  I read a report on
the electrical noise generated in a factory is powerful enough
to cause the electrical machines to lose up to 20% efficiency!

R & D is still going on around the world, aimed at producing 
better flourescent lamps, lamps which don't flicker as much
(or flicker at a higher frequency) and are electrically more
"quiet".

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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: BUG KILLER
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:53:30 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu



In article <1992Apr9.161742.15664@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:

> that they defended singapore's actions with a "we".
> do they relate to singapore's policies that much although
> some don't agree with it?

In what capacity did you talk to your Singaporean friends, an american or 
a Singaporean ? Of course they will use "we" when they are talk to "you", can't
believe you have problem understanding THAT. A good laugh indeed, but there
again what can you expect from a feeble mind of roach. Squash squash ....




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Good Things in Malaysia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.122257.54340@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> 
>> About our government's attempts at integration... on a personal level, I
>> have always been very wary of the government's attempts at integrating
>> our society.  I used to respond to 'Muhibah' posters and TV ads with
>> skepticism.  After all, it seemed like a joke to have 'peace and
>> harmony' stuffed down our throats!  And remember all those 'lagu
>> patriotik' we had to memorize and sing at school assemblies?  (It
>> wouldn't have been so bad if they were made to a more catchy beat than
>> the march, don't you think ...) I didn't think I would ever say this,
>> but there is still a need for these  lagu-lagu patriotik, the Muhibah
>> campaigns ... because we need the optimism, and the idealism. Americans
>> have their sports and their constant military show of might as excuses
>             ^^^^^^
>
>> to rally together under their flag, but Malaysians still need to find
>> common groundfor unity. Fortunately yes, we still have our food! Malaysia
>> must be the best example of harmony thru culinary obsession in the whole
>> world... :-)  
>> 
>	I thought football in Malaysia bind us together.  I was sadden
>by the news of the deaths of Moktar Dahari (sp ??) and goalkeeper
>Arunmugam (sp ??).

	Sure, football binds us together.  As long as Malaysia does not
have to play PRC...

	Call it what you want, but I have seen too many cases of
Malaysian Chinese supporting the PRC team in sports.  This phenomenon
is extremely clear in badminton, and you only have to go to Stadium
Negara while Malaysia is playing PRC to see this show of disloyalty!!

	Remember, the 1988 Thomas Cup final between Malaysia and
China.  I was there at the Stadium Negara and half of the stadium was
cheering for the PRC team.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <harish.274.0@csar.uucp>, harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:
|>   .....................
|> If instead of doing 2.5 years in the army/police/navy/air force/cd, I'd like
|> to see people be given the option to participate in the Singapore 
|> International Foundation (our version of the Peace Corp).
|> 
|> If this is not acceptable, perhaps the govt should allow people who are
|> in the reserves to "sacrifice" 6 months to 2 years of their time in the SIF 
|> after which they should be considered to have completed their reservist (and
|> not "re-service" as ---roach--- says) obligations.  That way, perhaps Zack
                                                                         ^^^^
|> and others who dread traditional reservists stints would choose to return
|> home.
|> 
|> I believe the people who have gone on for higher ed would be better able to
|> contribute to a Peace Corp-like stint than that 18-year-old fresh out of
|> PreU.
|> 
|> Comments?
|> 
|> Enjoy!
|> --
|> Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
|> Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"

Thanks Harish for thinking of me.  At least, there is one Singaporean who is
sincere in hoping that someday, Singaporeans will return home.  If there is 
any news about such thing, please do not hesistate to let us know.  I am sure
some of us here will be glad to know it and dying to go home.  Any number that
I can contact you when I am home?   Thanks again.


Zack Lim
Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
P.O Box 3511 Station C.
Ottawa, Ontario.
Canada K1Y 4H7
(613) 765-4979
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Algeria and the West
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:24:49 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <s3ah4INNqo0@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:

>I agree with what Azleena said about Algeria. I think many times,
>the West has a very negative view about Islam that is heavily
>influenced by a minority of hotheaded individuals in places like
>the Middle East. The US media is especially bad about this. For
>example, most of the American media has painted a picture of fanatical
>Muslim fundamentalists in Algeria, when the Islamic Salvation Front
>is the democratically elected government. 

Unfortunately, the media in the states is controlled by ratings - they
show what the people want to see.  An example is the San Fancisco
earthquake.  It was covered in detail by the media, while another
earthquake elsewhere in the world only got mentioned the number 
of casualties.

>I am also bothered by the way the Western media
>consistently tries to portray events as non-Muslims against Muslims.
>Many reports about East Timor emphasised the conflict between the
>"Christian East Timorese" and the "Muslim Indonesians" which is
>NOT the point at all! Indonesia, after all, has its own Christian
>minority whose religion is respected under Pancasila.

This protrayal hides tha fact that it is the struggle of the
East Timorese against an oppresive govt.  How easy can one twist 
facts to Moslems angainst non-Moslems.

>I saw this extremely disturbing TV show in New York where these
>people sat around and talked about how dangerous it was that
>"Moslem" republics (btw, is it Moslem or Muslim?) in the former
>Soviet Union had their hands on nuclear weapons. I don't think the
>US or any other country is any more morally responsible than
>Kazakhstan.

Me thinks ALL mass destruction weapons should be banned.  Three
cheers to the French for suspending nuclear tests in the Pacific.

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New Zealand   |  CHUAHDC@ELEC.canterbury.ac.nz         (VAX)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:12:11 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>...                                                         ^^^^^^^
>
>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?

While you criticise other people for making a racist remark, it is
alright for you to broadcast yours, isn't it?

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New Zealand   |  CHUAHDC@ELECVB.elec.canterbury.ac.nz  (VAX)
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Supporting the Malaysian Hockey team for gold in Barcelona.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:00:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr12.180048.14426
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr11.193239.15208@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.193225.16920@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.194626.4635@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>>
>>>If Adolf had his way, even you will be wiped out of this Earth, and
>>>the whites would rule the world.
>>
>>	Well, Hitler was only interested in Europe.  The Asia
>>continent was in Japan's sphere of incluence.  If the Axis had won, we
>>would all be speaking Japanese and you know how much the Japanese hate
>>the Chinese....
>>

>Wrong again...get your historical facts right...and don't make such
>allegations such as the Japanese hating the Chinese...What prove do
>you have? You keep using "ifs", how about taking reality for once.
>first you use Hitler, then you talk about the Japanese conquering Asia
>in WWII...simply unreal, no , not the war, i was referring to you as
>unreal......

	Are you really this dumb or do you just like to act like one?
Idiot, read your history books regarding ww2...  I don't have time to
explain the facts to you...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cylee@pieman (Chang Yong Lee)
Subject: Re: To Shit Head ZAM !
Organization: University of Tasmania 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 07:18:10 GMT

Zam Dum Dumm, 
   You are a 


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From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singaporean's identity
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr9.203301.22870@natinst.com>, fellow@natinst.com 
(Osbert Tan) writes:
> 
> Not wanting to sound like cliche, YOU CAN BET ROACH'S BORNY A*S on this, and
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> yes is the answer.
> 


You mean roach's BONEY ASS ! and yes.

BTW, roach, say something demeaning to your own country to show us how you
are not influenced by your own country's propaganda. Better still, get a
real life.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:02:58 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes:
> Dear fellow Malaysians,

 [some stuff deleted]

> 
> 	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
> understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
> behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
> of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
> all sides of the issues.
> 
> 	I love Malaysia and I am not deterred by words that say I am loyal
> to other countries like SIngapore, China.Of course I will be hurt when someone
> calls me unpatriotic, or that I should leave Malaysia, or that I should give my
> mum, sister to someone else....BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF TALKING TO SENSELESS
> PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE' FEELINGS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM?
> 
> 	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
> there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
> relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
> us, not insult each other's identity.
> 
> 	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
> TOM

	I share your sentiment about the boycott.  But on the other hand,
Zam is the only one who is providing most of the "entertainment" in this net.
Let face it, you will think species like that will be spending its time
rolling in the mud with other swine instead of attending MIT. (I wonder
should the admission officer be sued for neglience ?)



Jack Teh