HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:17:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Diane Diesh writes:
>
>Just to express an alternative viewpoint: I had an epidural for my first
>child, and yes, it helped me relax; I stopped fighting the contractions and
>the labor finally started progressing.  But along with the relief I also
>got an IV, an internal monitor, and (of course) immobility.  I was also
>catheterized post-partum.  It was over 24 hours before I was able to get
>out of bed (and shakily, at that).

	I got a continuous epidural and Nubane (which lasted for 10
minutes).  Within 4 hours I was walking around showing my son off (2
other Lamze mothers had delivered then too !).  All this after 30 hours
of "false" (their term, not mine) labor, and 1.5 hours of active labor
(read NO SLEEP for ~40 hours).


	I want my epidural this time around too, I figure it's my unalienable right.
	

-Shirl
From: rollo@Xylogics.COM (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: PS: water breaking and herpes
Date: 29 Jul 1992 08:31:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I forgot to add to my previous (long) post:

maternal herpes is a good reason for not waiting
too long after your water breaks, just to add
to that thread. and with new studies showing
that many people with even *active* herpes are
not symptomatic, this might be something to 
think about (I'm not sure how these new
studies affect recommendations -ask your
practitioner if it's a concern)

-Dena
From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: [2yo] Recommendations for a tricycle?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:21:10 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

In article <55790020@hpscit.sc.hp.com>,... writes:
> 
> I like Fisher Price's plastic tricycle.  Also playschool, or little tykes,
> can't remember which one, has come out recently with a new trike that can
> eventually be converted to a small bike.  The main thing is the correct
> seat to pedal setting.  I bought my son a "big wheel" when he was 1.75 yrs
> old.  He was able to push it around for a long time, but didn't ride it
> with the pedals until he was way past 3.
> 
> 

I didn't see the original posting, but we bought Jonathan, when he was 1 1/2,
a trike from Toys R Us, that has a dumpster on the back.

         ----
        /
        |____     /----|
       /     \      | _______
     ____     \----/ /____   |
    /    \     \    //    \  |  <--- on other trikes, this is normally
    |    |      \----|    |__|        a step for someone else to ride on.
    \____/           \____/  

Sorry about the perspectives, but then ANSI art isn't my forte'

The bucket is made of hi-impact plastic, and has a latch under the seat
to release, and pivots on the rear wheel axle.

Jonathan still rides it, he's almost 3, and loves helping in the backyard
with it carrying weeds to the trash for us.

The seat adjusts about two inches, as well as the handle bars.

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| O O  hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com -- Kathy's Hubby & Jonathan's Daddy  O O |
|  v    BTW: LORAL doesn't have anything to do with my opinions.    v  |
| \_/              I came up with them all on my own.              \_/ |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: jane@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny things we do: 1 week
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:45:18 GMT
Reply-To: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <19417@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>
>Today, when mama was changing me, she thought she could prevent
>problems by throwing an extra diaper over me.  I sure tricked her,
>though.  Just as she was lifting me up to slide the new diaper
>underneath me, I let go front and back at the _same_ time. 
>
> [details omitted to avoid copy-cat crimes]

>Am I super pooper baby, or what?
>
>--Jordan
>age: 1 week
>posting from mama's account

Hey kiddo, you're doing fine.  Now, take a few tips from an older
and wiser trickster and you'll have them sobbing with frustration
in no time at all.

First off, make quite sure your mother is very busy.  It helps if
she has a demanding job, but if not, spend the next 18 months being
really cute, but hard work, in a positive sort of way.  Be advanced
in things like walking so she has to protect the house much earlier,
be independent and insist on feeding yourself long before you can
get the spoon into your mouth.  Learn to open cupboards in spite of
latches, try to copy anything that looks even remotely dangerous.
Get the picture?

Next, it helps if you have a couple of older brothers who've been
like that too.  If not, find a few cousins, or make sure all your
friends are really mischievous.  IMPORTANTLY, all of these chaps
should have potty trained really late, say after 2.5,  Equally
importantly, they should all have been quite sloppy about it, and
fairly disruptive for a few weeks.

THEN and ONLY THEN, at 18 months, pjust as your mum is thinking
"thank God I don't have to deal with potty training yet, at least"
pretend you want to potty train.

Take all your clothes off at every opportunity - preferably when
mother isn't looking. and before she realises that you can deal
with any garment she cares to put on you.   Remove nappy. If the 
nappy is full of poop, so much the better. Say "wee-wee" often and
frequently.  Sit on potties looking pleased with yourself, but
never, ever, produce anything in them.  If you are taken off
in frustration, scream until you get back on it.  After a while
agree to get off and, if you can, pee or poop right by the side
of it.

Finally, make it absolutely clear to your mother that you are only
imitating other people and that you are nowhere near being able
to train yourself, but that you think you might like to try, NOW!

Oliver
Aged 20 months 
and still missing the potty.

PS Got mummy's bed yesterday and my cot the day before......
From: jane@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Jul21.162624.2561@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki) writes:
>
>Two reasons for hyphenation is that 1) his last name celebrates both families'
>heritage and 2) it's easier for doctors, school officials, etc, to understand
>why a Mr. Brown or a Ms. Ishizaki would be responsible for young Ishizaki-
>Brown.  And, while we all have different last names, they're interconnected
>thru our son.
>
Hyphenation has really worked for us, too.  My eldest son is Shelton, my
maiden name since I was a single mother.  My last three are Simcoe-Shelton.
While we were not married, this worked very well, for the reasons that
Audrey states and also because it kept my eldest child linked to the
family in a strong way.  We weren't married when the rest of the kids came
along so we both used our own names.

When we married, we decided to take on the new name ourselves.  This was
quite painless and simple.  Since then, we occasionally use our original
names.  The whole process has been completely unproblematic and everyone
is happy - even the in-laws!

I confess to two sneaky achievements on my part:

1. I persuaded my husband to hyphenate the boys' names way before we talked
about marriage.  Once we got married, it was impossible for me to do the
traditional thing and take his name.  Shame.

2. I convinced my husband that anyone who shortened a hyphenated name
by dropping one of them was more likely to drop the last name (mine) than
the first (his).  The reality is the other way round :-)
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19705 sci.med:14522
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:21:27 EDT
From: Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Blood types - Mother&Father

My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.

First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
I really want to hear.

Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
against the child being in my womb.

In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
handicaps, etc.

Can anyone confirm this for me?  Am I crying over nothing?

This has really upset me to think of this possibility, but HOPE that it's
not true.  Then find out from the Red Cross that it is true.  I have O-,
he has A+.  Also, my mother is A.  Positive I think.  (Dad, too, that's
another reason I thought I'd be A+)

Is there a possibility that I have these antibodies already, from when
I was born?  If so, and if my above statements are correct, then isn't
it also possible that the first child who has RH+ will be rejected by
my body?

Help!  This really ruins my day.

-Jennifer

PS.  I'll try checking the two newsgroups for replies this week, but
     if you'd also send me a copy, I'll love you to death.
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Info about a game wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:30:06 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:
> 
> 	That game, "Borders America", sounds like a lot of fun!  And
> it seems easy to make up a set of cards at home.  But I wonder... in a
> hypothetical game, let's say you play New Hampshire, and then I play
> Maine.  Then what will you do? :-)
> 
     It's been a while since I played the game (and do I wish that
we'd bought a copy when the local Waldenbooks had them), but there are
bluff rules.  If you're unsure of a card another person puts down, you
can challenge it.  If you're right, the bluffer gets more cards in
hand.  If the card was correct, you get more in hand.  Basic object is
to try to empty your hand.  And each card has a map of bordering
states/countries/oceans on the back to aid in resolving bluff
disputes.

     (Personally, I always hated drawing Hawaii.  You can't bluff when
the only bordering card is the Pacific Ocean.)
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "Well!  Peanut butter! . . . or so it seems."
Email is life!   | --Calvin 
Utah State University doesn't care what I put here . . . I hope.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf14.fnal.gov (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:18:44 GMT

kvt@willow.mitre.org writes:
: Just a question from someone who has no experience in
: double last names (hyphenated or otherwise):
: 
: What happens in the future when John Michael Doe-Smith marries
: Mary Marie Poppins-Johnson?  

As someone who has had this question asked multitudes of times:

The kids will do as they please, just as my husband and I did when
we chose to hyphenate our last names. 

Kelley Trombly-Freytag
-- 
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Safe driving tips when children are in the car
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:01:52 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Given my recent proselytizing about safe driving practices in a
follow-up in the car-seat thread, I'd like to solicit ideas for
safe driving practices that parents can put to use that relate to the
fact that children are in the car.  Here are a couple to start with:

 - Make sure children are always properly secured in car seat or
   booster seat or seat belt, whichever is appropriate, before the car
   starts moving.  Perform a positive check (both visually and by
   tugging firmly) that everything is secured properly.  Do not leave
   final responsibility for this with the children.

 - Use child-proof door locks if they are available, for children who
   are capable of manipulating the regular locks and door handles.
   These are devices defeat the interior door handle so that, even if
   the door is unlocked, the child will be unable to open the door.
   An adult can open the door using the outside handle.  The devices
   are often engaged via a button or lever that is accessible only
   when the door is open.

 - Do not put anything on a ledge behind the back seat.  This is
   always important, since these things turn into high-speed
   projectiles that can cause serious injuries to all passengers,
   including adults.  It's especially important when you have an
   infant in a rear-facing seat.

 - Never attempt to deal with a fight, spill, or other distraction
   while you're driving.  If immediate attention is required, pull
   over and get your flashers going, and then take care of the
   situation.

Anybody else want to offer any?
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: mwyllie@at4cad.uucp (Mary Wyllie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nice Furniture and kids
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:26:35 GMT
Followup-To: mwyllie@at4cad.intel.com
Organization: intel

On this same note,  I am very hot on the idea of getting leather furniture.
What I've heard talking to people (mostly sales people, however) is that if
you buy durable leather, it should last many years, kids or no kids.  Spills
should clean up quite easily, as long as they're not left for long periods of
time.  The only thing I've heard that could be a problem is punctures.  Does
anyone have any real experience with this?

Thanks.
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "SHE DESERVED TO GET HIT"!!!!!!!
Keywords: "No more Mr. nice guy"!!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:52:03 GMT
Organization: Amethyst Systems

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

> 	Well, Stacey was *REAL TALKY* last night.  She wouldn't
> 	SHUT UP.  Even after repeated warnings!!  It got to where
> 	we were walking down the street, and started talking to
> 	a neighbor for a second and she started yelling or singing
> 	or whatever she does so loud that we couldn't hear ourselves.
> 	My wife & I BOTH stopped and yelled "STACEY, SHUT UP!!"
> 
> 	She knew she'd get hit the next time she did it.  All she
> 	got was a firm poke with my finger.  She *did* stay quiet a
> 	little longer.  Seems she has to keep her thumb in her mouth
> 	to accomplish it.
> 
> 	She's so busy that when they went to my wifes parents house
> 	yesterday, when Stacey took a nap, EVERYONE took a nap.
> 
> 
> 	I owe her one!!!!
> 	
> -- 
> 	Alan Yasutovich
> 	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"

Fine.  I'll tell you.  You are one very sick man, and it doesn't
sound as though your wife is in any condition to point that out to
you, either.

Get some help, please, for your little girl's sake as well as your
son's (remember him?).

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pjohnso@triton.unm.edu (Paddy Johnson CIRT)
Subject: Re: Little Train That Could... He or She??
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:22:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul30.160618.11940@watson.ibm.com> johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.190354.10209@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach) writes:
>|> I remember the story, _The Little Train That Could_, from my childhood and
>|> recall that the train was a male figure.  The Putnam Press version I now read
>|> to my 3 year old uses a female "little train".  Has the story been "updated"?
>|> 
>|> The book's cover says it is the original version, but then goes on to say, 
>|> "as retold by Watty Piper".  If it's the original version, why REtell it?
>
>Does it really matter what gender the train is?  Is it pertinent to
>the story?  If it really bothers you I suppose you could change all of
>the "she"s to "he"s when you read it.  I often switch the genders in
>stories from one reading to the next.  There seems to be a
>preponderance of male protagonists in children's stories.
>
>-- 
>John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
>        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
>     "Faith:  not *wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche

I have my copy of _The Little Train That Could_ as retold by Watty Piper
here at home.  It is the copy from my childhood 38+ years ago.  The train
is a "she" in the book.

ZoeJ
From: dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu (Dave Collard x7468)
Subject: Re: In home Childcare/Nanny's
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:17:23 GMT

In <1992Jul30.151129.21814@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mangieri@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

>My wife and I have two boys, ages 1.5 and 4. We have been fortunate enough to
>have a women from a local church "mothers day out" program care for them (along
>with her own two children) for the past six months. We actually met her through
>the church program, and the kids continue in the church program while in the
>care of this women.

>Anyway, this arrangement is coming to an end. She informed us that we have
>about a month to find other arrangements. 

>Here is the problem: I feel like we kind of "lucked into" our  current
>arrangement. I am not sure that we will be so lucky this time. Is there a more
>methodical way to identify/attract personal in home child care like this ? Are
>there "nanny brokers" ? I am currently contemplating ads in the local papers

Yes, there are.  I know of one, anyway.  It's called "A Choice Nanny" and
they have an office in Columbia, MD.  They also have offices in New Jersey,
Delaware, and other places.  I know about them because my wife Annie works
for them (Annie the Nanny!).  They screen nannies, check references, and 
provide you with a list of several nannies to pick from that have been matched
to your schedule/location.  She found them by looking in the ads in the 
newspaper for childcare wanted.  Anyway it works out very well for both
parties as Annie takes our 10 mo old son with her (she only works two
days a week) and this gives him some new faces, new environment, etc,
and the kids she works with get much more personalized attention thant
they would with daycare (also a consistent face).  The only problem is
she is always flying around with that darn umbrella!


>and maybe ads on bulletin boards of local churches. Does anybody have any tips
>?

>By the way, we are very flexible as far as "our house" vs. "there house"
>arrangements.


Annie goes to "their" house.  If it were "our house" it would be in-home
daycare.  


Good Luck,
--Thor
collard@capsrv.jhuapl.edu
dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach)
Subject: Little Train That Could... He or She??
Organization: NASA/Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:03:54 GMT

I remember the story, _The Little Train That Could_, from my childhood and
recall that the train was a male figure.  The Putnam Press version I now read
to my 3 year old uses a female "little train".  Has the story been "updated"?

The book's cover says it is the original version, but then goes on to say, 
"as retold by Watty Piper".  If it's the original version, why REtell it?

Duane Beach
LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us (Ruth Alleman)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:29:52 GMT
Organization: Home Sweet Home, Lafayette, LA

In article <18598@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>I was just wondering how many women actually have a drugless labor these
>days. Back in the old days, when my mom was bearing children, no one had
>a drugless labor. Except my mom. In fact, she had two in the early 60's.
>After that, there was a swing towards no drugs in labor. Has the pendulum
>swung back again (of course, they are not using the same drugs these
>days)?

Well I had 2 drug free labors.  Actually the first wasn't completely
drug free, the Dr. administered pitocin to deliver the placenta.  They
also put in the routine IV for fluids the first time around.  The
second time around I had nothing.  The Dr was patient enough to
massage the area so that I did not need to be cut either time.  But I
realize I am the exception, both labors were real short and quite
tolerable.  BTW, the oldest, Cheryl just turned 4 and the youngest is
5 months.

Ruth Alleman
rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: startled 9yo!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:47:41 GMT

xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger) writes:
>Rebecca is going to camp this summer and before they can go they have to 
>have a complete physical.  Yesterday I took her in to see her ped and 
>everything went great.  Then the big surprize came, he told her she 
>would have to have a urinalysis done.  She looked at me puzzled and 
>after he left she asked what that was.  I started the reply with, "First 
>you have to pee into a cup.." and before I could finish she cuts in 
>with, "WHAT???? You have to be kidding! I'm not going to do that!"  I 
>told her if she wants to attend girl scout camp this summer she would 
>have to.  She agreed but insisted that I hold the cup so that there 
>would be no chance of "any" getting her hand wet!  She was embarassed 
*----
I suspect these two views are going to be unpopular, but:

1. Why does Rebecca think there's something "icky" about
urine or embarassing about urination?  Is it possible
you've inadvertantly imparted those "values"?

2. This may sound sexist, but I think this is at least in
part a gender-specific thing.  Guys often look at urination as a
ritual ( though I suspect most boys would be reluctant to pee in
a cup for mom).
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare in El Segundo
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:28:18 GMT


Att:  Rita Wiltberger

Thanks for your E-mail message.  There was no E-mail address for
you, so I'll post here.

Melissa will be starting pre-school at St. John's Lutheran Child
Development Center and Pre-Kindergarten in November.  It's
located at 1611 E. Sycamore Avenue in El Segundo.  The director
is Marlene and the number is (310) 615-0211.

I have checked the other day care centers and I liked this one
the best.  Also, friends and co-workers have recommended this
one too.

The outside play area is cleaner and larger than the others, and
the teachers and director seem nicer and more helpful too.

Feel free to call me at (310) 364-6292.

Sandy
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:49:40 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

kvt@willow.mitre.org writes:
>Just a question from someone who has no experience in
>double last names (hyphenated or otherwise):
>
>What happens in the future when John Michael Doe-Smith marries
>Mary Marie Poppins-Johnson?
    [several possibilities deleted]

People always ask this.  I always answer the same way: The children
solve this problem when they decide to get married and/or 
have children.

Any two people who can't come up with a solution aren't mature
enough to get married, and don't have enough problem solving skills to
get through a pregnancy, let alone raise a child.

My opinion: presumably they'll each keep one of their names and come
up with a new hyphenated name.  They have four possible
combinations--they can pick the one that sounds the best :-)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids