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From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Films
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Mos Eisley) writes:
> Can any of you recommend some good Korean films to see over winter break?
> I'm leaving to my non-networked home in three days, so a prompt response
> would be appreciated. Genre is not important.
> 
> If so, please e-mail me with a list (if this is a common topic on the
> newsgroup) or post them to the group. Thanks!
> 
> --
> Eugene R. "Mos Eisley" Ahn
> "Television is the opiate of the masses."

Hi! My name is Bobby. Recently, I checked out some Korean film and enjoyed
it very very much. Have you ever heard "Sah eui chan mee"? Starring Chang Me
Hee and I forgot the guy's name. Well it is about a love story of a married
man and Yoon duk shim who was the first female Korean opera singer during 
the Japanese colonization over Korea. Some folks criticize about some
uneeded stuffs in order to make the true story's transition better or make
greater attention to the movie something like that. Anyway it was true story.

The scene Chang Me Hee and the guy who was in love with her (I am sorry I wish
I can remember the guy's name for you.) on a boat in one afternoon was beautiful.
I am telling you this scenery awesome and can't even compare to the western 
movie called "Elvira Madigan". It is incredably beautiful!
Hope you enjoy this movie during Christmas.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 

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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: bbong-jjak
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.133732.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
>BTW, what anju is your favourite, folks?  Maybe we can do one of them polls 
>again to see what is the most favoured anju with soju, or for any drinks?!

I love answering this kind of questions.  The answer is "I don't drink."
Since most Koreans drink, I am almost always assumed to drink socially.  It
is a great pleasure for me to look at those "I don't understand this"
expression flashing by when I tell them a flat "I don't drink" with pride.

It is also fun to ruin the mood for the rest by being the only one who
refuses to drink.  But it is fun only if I happened to be stuck with a crowd
that I do not care for.  With close friends, I have so much to talk about
that we do not need any alcoholic drink at all.

By the way, I CAN drink.  I just get more kick out of not drinking. :)

>henry "with one deadly exam to go" chon

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:09:14 GMT

phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>Korean culture is a uniform, homogeneous kind.  Everyone is expected to
>have the same mentality and behave the same.  If someone acts differently,
>two consequences are expected. 1. He/she quits whatever he/she is doing.
>2.  Everyone else follows him/her.  Judging from the fashion, music or
>anything of any subjective taste, Koreans move in mass.  The fact that all
>your neighbors have it is a good enough reason to buy something.  In such
>society, orange-jok who has an assertive behavior is a problem because the
>rest have to follow them, since they can not change the orange-jok.
>
>James Choi


I think that the uniformity in Korean culture is the worst left-over
of Japanese imperialism and following authoritarian goverments such as
Konghwa Party's and Minja's. 
I'm not quite sure that Silla, Koryo and Chosun had the same, very
restrictive and society (or group) oriented culture.
I've never read any old Korean novel which praised the sacrifice of
individual for the nation or any social group, though I read lots
of novels which praise individual success or sacrifice for another
individual (usually for parents or children).
Since I'm not studying history or culture, I'm not quite sure but
I highly doubt that such restrictive uniformity can be found in 
Silla, Koryo and Chosun.

Well, if you don't like 'status quo', vote for Democratic party on Dec. 18.:)
From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Brian Chung) writes:
  I had written:
  As for who I'd vote for if I could I'd vote for whichever candidate
  I feel is most likely to implement 3 reforms that I support:
  1) Tax reform(sil-myung-je), 2) Land reform, and 3) Abolishing the
   .....
>	1) is a good idea but isn't going to happen for a while.  Both
....
>	2)?  Land reform?  What do you mean?

I was refering to to-ji-kong-gae-nyum. Which is a series of legislation
concerning land ownership. Literally, it means "public ownership concept
of land" and features somewhat socialistic restrictions on land
ownership. It is supposed to help deal with the skyrocketting real
estate prices in Korea.

-Han 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.025042.17595@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.220914.4144@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>I think that the uniformity in Korean culture is the worst left-over
>>of Japanese imperialism and following authoritarian goverments such as
>>Konghwa Party's and Minja's. 
>
>	Huh?  The uniformity in Korean culture began since the United
>Shilla Kingdom period.  By the time of Koryo and Chosun Kingdom, "Korean"
>culture was pretty much united as one.  Why do you say that the uniformity
>in culture is a remnant of Japanese imperialism?

Sorry, I think I misused a word 'uniformity'. What I was trying to say was
'nation or social group oriented culture (instead of individual oriented
culture' was a remnant of imperialism and militarism. But I don't
have any number to support my idea, so I can't argue very seriously.
>
>>I'm not quite sure that Silla, Koryo and Chosun had the same, very
>>restrictive and society (or group) oriented culture.
>
>	Of course they did.  There was the yang-ban culture and sang-min
>culture.  There were some upward and downward mobility, but those were
>in economic/political terms.  Socially, yang-bans never mingled with
>sang-mins and sang-mins weren't allowed to mingle with yang-bans.  And 
>that's just during the Chosun period.  During Koryo period, you also have
>to add in the slave culture.  
>
But it does not mean that Chosun or Koryo had a 'nation or social group
oriented culture'. I think you have to look at what kind of thought
they have. I've never read any old books (any kinds) which emphasized
group interest over individual interest, Have you? That's why
I thought Silla, Koryo and Chosun didn't have a society oriented culture. 
They didn't enforce to wear the same clothes in Sodang (school) after all.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: parkin@elm.egr.msu.edu (In Sik -)
Subject: Who wins ?
Keywords: Election results in korea.
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:27:51 GMT

As of 00:58 (local time) From MBC broadcast (national resluts)

Y.S. KIM :41 %
D.J. KIM : 33.6 %
J.Y. Chung : 15.55%
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: WHAT is "THE POKTAN SEOUN (BOMB ANNOUNCEMENT)" ?
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:49:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Hello Friends:

    Chu-yung Jung has promised to announce a shocking secret (called
"POKTAN SEONUN" in the Yeoido gathering recently.

    If anyone knows about that,  let us know too.  Please post it.


             Minho Jo, Lehigh Valley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.175154.25985@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min) writes:
>
>I heard that his son will be leader of his party.
>I don't have any official document. 

	You are kidding right?  His son?  The guy who owns that huge
Chinese restaurant?  I thought DJ didn't want his son to be involved
in politics and his son was really having a hard time getting a job
because of the government's influence, and that's why he became a
restauranteur.



-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:27:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.204601.16049@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>O.K. I admit that I don't understand how this YOUR idea
>is connected to trust issue and how is YOUR idea true.

	It's not connected to the trust issue.  (Gag, I sound like George
Bush.)  The issue was his style of leadership.  And there really is no
truth value to the one's style of leadership.  I cannot assign true/false
to the DJ's style of leadership.  I can only tell you that I don't like
such style of leadership.  And even if you do like DJ's leadership, I
have no problem with that.  I am a chair of a program board here at Cornell,
and my way of leadership is through consensus building.  It's a purely
personal thing.  
>
>Now you are talking the fact which is related to 'trust' issue. yes it is true
>that DJ said that and broke his promise.
>But I wonder you know that YS said the same thing. YS repeatedly said that
>he would not run for the presidency if Government let DJ out of jail.
>Suprisingly (?) he broke his promise and ran for the presidency.
>I don't trust YS because he changed his opinion on 'Kumyung Silmyonje' at least
>twice and he changed his opinion on 'Jibang Jachije' at least twice 
>without any obvious reason (except he changed his party without through
>election). Should I believe what he is saying during campaign?

	It's really up to you.  I'm not trying to convince you to vote
for YS, and you can't convince me to vote for DJ.  I only wanted to let you
know why I won't vote for DJ.  By the way, "if the government let DJ out
of jail?"  You mean "out of his house" right?  DJ hasn't been in jail since
he came back from his self-imposed exile in the US.


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Dear Emmy (was: Re: Dear Abby, III)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:43:41 GMT


I am replying to James Choi's article so that he does not have to reply to
himself. 

Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: A question about Korea ..............
Keywords: Korea
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.001952.29873@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.223308.22076@rchland.ibm.com> song@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Timothy Song) writes:
>>What must Korea do to become economic superpower ?
>
> [........]
>
>	1.  Cut defense budget.  Extra money for economic development is
>always helpful.
>	2.  Bigger government spending.  
>	3.  Smart economic planning.  Find a competitive advantage rather
>than comparative advantage.
>	4.  Better education.
>	5.  A LOT OF LUCK

 Since Brian didn't specify if this is in ascending or descending order, 
I want to say the above five things have the following order of importance
: 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1. (maybe 1 > 2).  Yeah, LUCK is the most important thing
and government's action is the least important.\

 My opinion as an economist ; but beware, I am a mathematical economist -
usually people don't trust mathematical economists' opinions.

>
>
>-- 
>T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
>Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
>DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.020003.5419@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>
>>Anyway,  the game is over.  In this step,  DJ is suggested to one step
>>back and support a well-qualified and popular future leader who can beat
>>the next Minja-Dang's candidate.  
>
>He knows what he has to do. That's why we, Democrats, loved him so much.
>I'll support Lee Chul or Hong Sadok as a post-DJ. both of them are young,
>and most of all, both of them are as eloquent as DJ and as smart as DJ.
>The only problem might be they have less charisma compared to DJ.

yes, they are good guys.
in fact there are many next generation leaders in MINJOO.

besides them, there are Lee BooYoung, Chung DaeChul etc.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jysuh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jung Yul Suh)
Subject: Update on Election
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:21:38 GMT



	SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) -- Kim Young-sam of the majority Democratic
Liberal Party won an overwhelming mandate Saturday to rule his nation
for five years as South Korea's first genuine civilian president in more
than three decades.
	His lopsided election victory, which came the day before his 65th
birthday, sent his arch rival, Kim Dae Jung, of the main opposition
Democratic Party into hurried political retirement.
	With 94.6 percent of 24.1 million ballots cast in Friday's elections
counted, Kim Young-sam had 9.46 million votes to Kim Dae Jung's 7.62
million and Chung Ju-yung of the United People's Party's 3.62 million.
	About 1.3 million votes remained to be counted.
	``I offer my heartfelt thanks to the nation,'' said a triumphant Kim
Young-sam in a statement after the outcome was confirmed. ``At this
moment I am being overwhelmed not by joy but by a sense of grave
responsibility.''
	The winner lauded Kim Dae Jung, Chung and four other contenders for
their efforts in the elections, and said he would lend his ears to the
voices of their supporters as well.
	``I send hearty congratulations to Mr. Kim Young-sam,'' Kim Dae Jung
said at a news conference. ``I am resigning from the National Assembly
to lead the life of a common man.'' However he said he will keep his
membership in his party.
	Chung Ju-yung, whose major target during the campaign was Kim Young-
sam, offered his own congratulations to the winner. ``I think there were
problematic aspects in the election process but I will humbly accept the
popular verdict,'' Chung said.
	Kim Young-sam has advocated a strong government to cure embedded
corruption and other ``Korean ills.'' Backed by more than 42 percent of
the vote and heading a party controling 161 of the 299 National Assembly
seats, he should be able to push the goal.
	He will succeed President Roh Tae Woo, who is to step down Feb. 25 at
the end of a five-year term. Roh came to power in December 1987
elections, beating Kim Young-sam, the closest runner-up, 36 percent to
28 percent.
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Byun Jin-Seop (was Re: Hot food and pop music)
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:04:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bark Kwangyl) writes:
> ...
> Try some songs  even by Cho Young Phil, Byun Jin Seup......
> After that make your judgement.

Byun Jin-Seop obsesses me, and I'm glad his songs' lyrics are nothing
like Peter Gabriel, Rush, or Genesis.  Too bad S.C.K. party members
have banned them, but I will type one of my favorite ones, which is
"HiMang SaHang (Wish List)."

---------------------------------------------------------------------
"HiMang SaHang (Wish List)" (this is from memory).

A girl who looks good with blue jeans
A girl who does not have big stomach even if she eats a lot
A girl who smiles even if my talks are boring
I like such girl

A girl who makes good KimChi BokKumBap
A girl whose hair shines even without hair moose
A girl who, despite being chubby, looks good with mini skirts, because
  of pretty legs

A girl who makes good ChungGukJang
A girl who comforts me even when I see her when I'm broke
A girl who focuses her vision while gazing at my peaceful eyes

A girl who makes good DdeokPokKi
A girl who soothes me just by seeing her when I'm lonely and distressed 
A girl who never ever participated in "meeting" after meeting me

La la la la la...
La la la la la...
La la la la la...
I like such girl
I like such girl
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: HAN.* news group and Hangul posting
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:13:02 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

Hi, whoever posted 'krn' script file, thanks a million. It works very well.
Now, I have one more problem. What do you use to post Korean messages ?
I'm using IYAGI to call my unix host machine and VI does not lite 2byte hangul
code. Any suggestions ?

Thanks in advance,

- Yuri Lee -

ylee@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:13:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Dec15.163538.13559@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
  1) Tax reform (sil-myung-je)>
>	1) is a good idea but isn't going to happen for a while.  Both
>YS and DJ benefit immensely from not having to put their own name in
>their banking accounts.  I think we will have to get rid of all the
>corrupt politicians before the banking reform can take place.
>

   I heard that  Real Name in banking account is used a lot because
of heavy tax for the fake name-account.  But big money used by company
is not reported for tax.

un-sig
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jnlee@uucp (John Lee)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:21:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec13.161834.2622@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <gf_pbyG00XsL8QN0RO@andrew.cmu.edu> wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:
>>The problem is that they affect to other people and contaminate normal
>>people's ethics.  It is different between rich people in US who spend a
>>lot and do whatever they want, and OJs who are doing the same thing in
>>Korea.  Korea is more compacted society.  How far is the 'Rodeo street'
>>in Ap-ku-jung-dong from Sa-dang-dong 'Pan-ja chon' ?  Even though the
>>number of OJ is small but their influence is not negligible. It's like
>>having  a diseased chicken in a chicken coop.  Their influence can be
>>shown as a simple example.
>
>	How far is the Rodeo St. in Beverly Hills from South Central LA?
>How far is the Fifth Ave. in NY from East Harlem?  Urban problems are
>everywhere.
>>
>>Rap music is very popular  in korea these days.  There is a popular rap
>>singer in Korea who even wears clothes like black people in US.  Why is
>>the rap music that popular in Korea (even it might be more popular than
>>in US) which is nothing but a black people's music ?  Rap music could
>>become so intimidated to korean mainly by the night clubs which are OJ's
>>main play ground and young singers who are OJs.  
>
>	*This* is supposed to be an example of "a diseased chicken in
>a chicken coop"?  How the heck is this different from young people listening
>to rock music which is nothing but a white man's music?  Remind me to
>play my Kool Moe Dee and LL Cool J really really loud when you are near
>me.  >
>

Grow up Brian, "act your age, not your shoe size ...". I remember this quote
from some song a while back that seems to fit you well. Pun intended. 

John