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From: sutton@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Updates appreciated.  Post all scores.
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:52:42 GMT


Hello,

I appreciate the updates posted to the net.  Normally the football
scores don't come here for 2-3 days, and even then I don't like
shelling out $3 for the USA today.  Please continue posting updates!

Also I'd like to ask again if there is anyone maintaining a mailing
list of the weekend's results.  If so please put my address to
it.  Noone has, as yet, posted all the results for this weekend;
could some adverturesome regularly posting person take this
responsibility?  I'm sure it--posting ALL the scores--would be greatly
appreciated by us abroad who do not get American TV, radio, or newpapers.

Thanks,

Keith Sutton
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: graeme@skylark.uwa.oz.au (Graeme Reid)
Subject: Re: QB ratings, week 2 & cumulative
Reply-To: graeme@skylark.uwa.oz.au
Organization: Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:20:35 GMT

In article 16596@lgc.com, bernie@lgc.com (Bernie De La Torre) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.144849.19419@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>
>>[E-mail corrections appreciated.]
>>
>>Week 2 (minimum 10 attempts):
>>Pos Name              Atts Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn TDs  TD % INT  IN%   RATE
>>--- ----------------  ---- ----   ----  -----  ----- ---  ---- ---  ---   -----
>>  1 R. Cunningham       22   17   77.3    267  12.14   3  13.6   0  0.0   156.6
>>  2 V. Testaverde       25   22   88.0    363  14.52   2   8.0   0  0.0   145.4
>
>This just shows how flawed the formula for computing the quarterback rating
>is. Testaverde had a nearly perfect game and still ranks below Cunningham
>who through for less yards, had a lower completion % and avg gain per throw.
>IMHO, too much weigth is given to touchdown passes.
>
>
>
>
>--
>*-------------------------------------------------------------*
>*    Bernie de la Torre  Landmark Graphics Corporation
>*    333 Cypress Run     Houston, Texas 77094   (713)-579-4680
>*    bdelatorre@lgc.com  Rm 247


How can you give too much weight to touchdown passes ???
You don't win games by gaining more yards (49ers/Bills),
completing longer passes (Schroeder), or even having less
interceptions (Kosar).
You win games by putting points on the board, and when all is
said and done, that's the QB's job (and the rest of the O).

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Graeme Reid				Computer Science Department
email: graeme@cs.uwa.edu.au		The University of WA
Phone: +61 9 380 3456			Nedlands   WA   6009

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Shroeder!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:50:20 GMT

In article <15280125@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>
>
>
>
>	The Raider defense played exceptionally well tonight, Elway
>	played poorly and still managed to do enough to win, and
>	Shroeder...well, that last fumble was good for a laugh, al-
>	though I would have loved to see Al Davis' face right after
>	the pig bounced of Jay's knee....


So what's the inside news from LA ?  


Are Shell and Al Davis stupid enough
to continue starting Jay Shroeder at QB. He was really pathetic against
Denver and about the only thing he did properly was handing off the ball
to Eric Dickerson (that is if you ignore those fumbles)... I am sure
with the talent that the Raiders have,  
the team needs a Marinovich to balance the attack and look like a decent
team.
From: v106nm43@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kenneth J Ruggiero)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NEED STATS FOR 5 PLAYERS (ALL FROM BRONCOS-RAIDERS GAME)
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I'm in charge of stats for a fantasy football league, and I'd
appreciate a little help from someone out there.  Thanks a ton in advance!

	The newspaper I get cut out the individual stats for the Raiders-Broncos
game.  I have the passing stats, but that's it.  I need :

	John Elway's rushing stats
	Gaston Green's rushing & receiving stats
	Eric Dickerson's rushing & receiving stats
	Ethan Horton's stats
	Tim Brown's stats

Thanks again!

Ken Ruggiero
University at Buffalo
From: mwd9135@usl.edu (Durand Michael W)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Need Saints-Bears Tickets
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:17:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Hi There,

I friend of mine from Chicago is coming down and we need two tickets
to the Saints-Bears contest this Sunday.

Please e-mail me if you have tickets or know where I can get them.

Thank you,
          Michael Durand
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:51:01 GMT
Subject: Broncos vs. Raiders
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro


Thanks Jay!  The Broncs couldn't have done it without ya!

BTW, who did we trade to get you?  I must have missed it.

-- LSC
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Organization: University of Michigan
	<2415@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:33:02 GMT

In article <2415@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

   In article <1992Sep9.220408.16299@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
   >I think the header said it all.

    .			( a long, long distance )			.
    ^									^
    |									|
    |									|
   here's the point					      here you are

   >He's a great player, but don't try to say he's better than Sanders.
   >Jason Gische

   The point, originally, being that Smith is NOT Sanders, but neither is
   Sanders Smith.  They are different style runners in different style offenses
   playing different style defenses in different style stadiums . . . etc.
   I'm sure any team in the league would be happy to have either one of them
   on the field.


You know, something amazing is going on around here.  Whenever somebody tries
to stake out an argument and support it with facts, he gets told: the
situations are different, and you can't compare those.  Whenever somebody
presents a hypothetical situation related to a previous game, he gets told:
your team lost, and hypothetical discussions are for losers.  

Sometimes it seems like the only thing we can legally discuss is the game
score (hey, now there's a short discussion), queries from FFL guys who are
too cheap to buy a daily paper (or live in Australia where they don't carry
injury reports), and what the Redskins ate today.

Ain't it amazing that these three issues generate so much net traffic?

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: 1992 NFL Predictions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:05:17 GMT

In article <keec1QO00awIIvYkwY@andrew.cmu.edu> ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle) writes:
>Christopher Braun thinks:
>>AFC Central                  
>>1. Houston                    
>>2. Cleveland                   
>>3. Cincinnati              
>>4. Pittsburgh                
>                          
>care to revise that after the first week?
>Pittsburgh 29 Houston 24
>Indianapolis 14 Cleveland 3
>and Cincinnati will probably be trounced...
>
>It's more like
>1 Houston
>2 Pittsburgh
>3 Cleveland
>4 Cincinnati
>
>I personally think that Pitt will be above .500
>and Houston won't be much better
>Cleveland will be a little 2 or 3 games below .500
>and Cincinnati sucks.

 
   I didn't get to see the Cincinatti game. So I don't know. From the partial
at the third quarter they didn't do too bad, leading 7-3 at that time.
   However, Cleveland indeed looked BAD, bad in nearly every aspect, defense,
offense, front line, back field, kicking, etc. etc... and may I add that the 
coaching and the organization were also badly reflected in the game, poor job
they have done so far.  
   It's really strange to see Reggie Langhorn catching the ball against
the Browns. It's not that long ago when Kosar were throwing to Langhorn, 
Slaughter and Brennon, now none of those guys are catching for them. 
 

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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.220408.16299@leland.Stanford.EDU>, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes...
>I think the header said it all.
>Smith is the second best runner in the NFC now.  He is not Barry Sanders.
>Smith can't carry tacklers the way Sanders can.           

Uh, this isn't right.  You haven't seen Emmitt Smith play very much.  I
can tell you that Smith CAN carry tacklers.  When he was a rookie, he came
to camp on the first day, and promptly broke the Cowboy's leg press record
which was held by Randy "Manster" White.  Also, I am constantly amazed at
how Emmitt can run into a pile of defensive guys, and just when I think the
play is over and am relaxing back in my chair, Emmitt pops loose from the
pile for a big gain.  He gets those kinds of gains from his leg strength, and
the fact that he keeps on pumping his legs when he's hit.  

I think it is ridiculous to try to say that Smith, Sanders, or Thomas is
the best running back.  There is no way to be sure.  All that can be said
is that they are all DAMN effective in gaining yardage for their teams.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:38:27 GMT
Subject: Shroeder!
Organization: work
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro





	The Raider defense played exceptionally well tonight, Elway
	played poorly and still managed to do enough to win, and
	Shroeder...well, that last fumble was good for a laugh, al-
	though I would have loved to see Al Davis' face right after
	the pig bounced of Jay's knee....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Giants QB controversy (again)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:41:27 GMT

The CNN Sports Night reported that Handley has picked
Phil Simms as next week's starting QB.  Hoss wasn't too
happy and Handley was glib as usual.  Looks like the
Simms and Hoss camps and media will have a field day
in NY.

I am at odds on who should be the starting QB since I
am NOT a NYG fan.  Perhaps Handley's persona rubs me
the wrong way, but I did not like his media interview.
The end result was that he stated, at this time, this
is my choice.  This seemed to imply that depending on
Simms workouts or Hoss's workouts, OR how the coach
feels, will determine the starting QB.  Someone ought
to slap that silly smile off his face.

He stated that he wanted continuity.  Since Simms
has played the last three weeks, he feels why change
things at this point.  Oh well, the Cowboy's will 
probably tear them up, regardless on who is the QB.
I can't believe I said that, I dislike the Cowboys
as much as the Giants.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.023028.27503@math.ucla.edu>
rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
 
>
>Michael Zimmers writes ...
>
>
>>1. If we had anything resembling a placekicker, we win.
>    ^^                                           ^^ ^^^
If lofton doesnt drop a touchdown, we win by a larger margin
 
>>2. If we have Rice all game, we probably win (as good as the other
 
If bruce is in top shape, you lose even worse
 
>    ^^                        ^^          ^^^
 
>>   WRs are, Rice is still better).
>
>>3. Montana makes that last drive work.
>
       I hope I dont see too much whining by 49ers fans.  It was a great game
and you shouldnt be ashamed of your team. Just remember that we are better
than you.
 
 
>If I had a million dollars, I'd be a millionaire !!!!!
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)
>
 
 
Tom Steegmann
We are just better than you. Go Bills!
 
 
>A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
>while others are doing.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Super Bowl (Was: Re: The Niners are the favorites.)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:59:42 GMT

In article <WLITTLE.92Sep13121056@dante.nmsu.edu> wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:
>I don't know ....how about 20 consecutive playoff appearances before
>1985. More than ANY other team I believe.  So they had 4 bad seasons.
>The team got old...Now they are back...why not just except that.  

Surely, you meant 20 consecutive winning seasons.  I don't think they made
the playoffs more than 9 or 10 years in a row (many when there was only
1 wild card from each conference) and only like 17 or 18 times in 20 years.

They are back, though. No doubt.


Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Re: Bengals 24 - Raiders 21
Originator: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:33:43 GMT


In article <1992Sep13.162634.24800@ms.uky.edu>, thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
|> i said it last week, I'll say it this week...
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> DEE-FENSE DEE-FENSE.
|> 
|>   Again the defense won the game.  The offense just out and out sucks
|> (excluding Fenner who is incredible and reminds me of Pete Johnson and
|> Icky Woods).  But, the passing game *sucks* and I think that Esiason
|> is just chicken of throwing an INT so won't throw the long ball.
|> 
|>   BUT THE DEFENSE, is *great*.  I thought we were screwed when Bently
|> had to leave the game but, they *still* came through.  And *finally*
|> the special teams did some work and recovered a fumble.. :)
|> 
|>   One other aside.... Marvelous Marv Albert and Parcells were horrible
|> sportscasters.  They had no idea what was going on the entire game.  A
|> little more research would have made it better game..
|> 
|> 
|> Alex
|> 
|> 
|> p.s. Here we come Cleveland... think you can beat dinky miami??? :)

  The Offense scored 3 touchdowns. All 3 times driving up the whole 
 field. Boomer threw some crucial 3rd downs. He had no interceptions
 as he wasn't going deep ... and that I think is logical .... 'cos with
 a safety like Lott and good Db's who easily outran McGee every play ..
 one does'nt take chances with such Defense. Remember this was the same
 Defense (Raiders) against which Denver had -ve yardage in the 1st qrtr.
 There was not a single sack for the Raiders, which says again something 
 about our offense.Besides we did not turn over the ball even once 
(Except for the blocked FG), which is pretty good. 
    I think our offense played good, though they did not throw those long 
 bombs which the crowd loves ... but the part of the team which made the
 diff. was Defense (I agree).

    Let's wait for Nov 1st when we kick the Dawgs ....

   Bye,
     Aji



-- 
  | 	Sandeep A. Aji			| saji@thor.ece.uc.edu      |
  |     University of Cincinnati   	| saji@hagar.ece.uc.edu     |
  |        FINAL FOUR 1992              | 	                    |
  |                                     | 			    |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: will Mack be Back?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 00:11:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rex@cs.washington.edu (Rex Jakobovits) says:

>
>Does anybody out there have any idea when Kevin Mack is expected to
>play?  Cleveland's running game sure could use him!  The last I heard,
>he was listed as questionable with a pulled calf.

I think he was put on the IR, and will miss the 1st 4 games of the
season. Browns have the 5th week off, bye week, so don't expect him
back till the 6th week.

Alex

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49ers fans
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.174359.17835@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Well some 49ers fans are off the deep end once again.
>How can you post an easy schedule, and claim it's hard??
>How can your team not make the playoffs, and you claim 
>    greatness?? 
>
It is quite simple.  We (I) type "rn", type  "y" and respond to a message OR
type "Pnews" at the command line. It is really fairly simple. :-)
>
>Maybe when S.F. misses the playoffs ten years in a row,
>you'll realize the reign is over. 
>How can you call losing Lott a suprise, if he was left unprotected?
>Get off the drugs!
>
Hey, it's our body/mind/soul and we do as we please, i.e., do drugs or
NOT do drugs.  What do you take?  Running head into a concrete wall without
a helmet? :-)
>
>They beat a dead Giants team, BIG DEAL.
>BIG DEAL.
>
How quaint!  If the results would have been on the other shoe, YOU would
have been gloating as well.  Give us a break and take a laxative.
>
>I suppose if they finished 1-15 and won the last game, you would
>say they were the best team at the end of the season. 
>Who cares?
>
Who cares if we care. Apparently you are a major whining, sniffling,
drippy nose, Winnie who is simply fuming because all the major football
analyst are saying the Niner's look damn good!
>
>As for which team is better Buffalo or San Fran, well, let's just 
>wait until post season to compare .... if S.F. makes it.
>
This is the only statement that made any sense! Thanks for the insight. :-)

-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Date: 9 Sep 1992 23:55:29 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Summary: Alexander Wright's contribution

In article <1992Sep09.223902.8928@bnr.ca>, emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera) writes:
>..
>    Alexander Wright did
>     not return punts.  He lined up to return kickoffs, but the Deadskins
>     kicked the ball out of the endzone every kickoff.   Keep watching
>     Wright will return one all the way soon............

Alexander Wright had one kickoff return for 12 yards.  He had no receptions.

Interestingly, (if that's a word), Michael Irvin, despite his recent signing,
led the team with 5 receptions for 89 yards.
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:56:59 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <1992Sep14.160012.4537@sequent.com>
newson@sequent.com (Newson) writes:
 
>In article <holly.210@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>>
>>I've been saying this for 3 years.  Dump Cofer.  We won't get to Superbowl
>>with him there.  Think Seifert's on the net?
>>-----
>>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
>
>He doesn't need to be on the net to get this message, if he didn't get it
>yesterday, he won't get it. Daluiso is available isn't he?
>
>newson
 
Nope....DaLuiso was picked up off waivers by the Broncos.  He is
regularly booming kickoffs into (or out of) the end zone, and may be
used on long field goals.  David Treadwell still does the rest of the
kicking.
 
Jim McMaster
From: ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 1992 NFL Predictions
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:04:12 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Christopher Braun thinks:
>AFC Central                  
>1. Houston                    
>2. Cleveland                   
>3. Cincinnati              
>4. Pittsburgh                
                          
care to revise that after the first week?
Pittsburgh 29 Houston 24
Indianapolis 14 Cleveland 3
and Cincinnati will probably be trounced...

It's more like
1 Houston
2 Pittsburgh
3 Cleveland
4 Cincinnati

I personally think that Pitt will be above .500
and Houston won't be much better
Cleveland will be a little 2 or 3 games below .500
and Cincinnati sucks.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Pack News
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:25:52 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

hi there
--------

There will be a news conference this afternoon
"concerning" Buckley accordind to a report
in the local Radio this morning. They even
talked with Mike Holmgren this morning over
phone but he did not reveal anything.
Well, I don't think the news conference was
arranged to tell the fans and the media that
Terrel is still holding out. IMO it woulbe
about either his signing or a possible trade.
there have not been any indication of a trade 
in the past few weeks, so the signing seems more
possible but one never knows. I will post the news
if I happen to catch it sometyimes later.
Bye,

************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian    GO BREWERS - BULLS -93  - HAIL 'SKINS

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
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From: johndoe@spock.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Cowboy internal problems (was Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/8/92)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:30:19 GMT

In article <56030@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
In article <24711@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>If I had one bone to pick with the Cowboys it would be that they seem to
>have a few problems internally. The fumble recovery by J. Jones in the first
>half was kind of funny, because he and teammated Gant were visibly fighting
>over the ball(risking losing it to the Skins) and then Gant was apparently
>yelling at Jones as they went to the sideline, and it didn't look like
>he was congratulating him. Later, after Clark burned Washington for a TD

i didn't see this play, but i do recall, having long ago been a defensive
lineman (high school) scrambling for fumbles at the bottom of the pile, it
can get awfully dark at the bottom of those piles, and there is often little
telling who's on who's team, which hands are friendly and which are foe.
and pointing, yelling, and fighting are often ways todays boisterous players
congratulate one another.

but, like i said, i didn't see the play.  the charges of selfishness first
and team second may be justified.

>Russ Smith
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