From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Death of America
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:08:25 GMT

In article <1gdh22INNfej@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>
>In a previous article, cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) says:
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>>thanks. i almost mistakenly took you seriously, you self-righteous fool.
>>
>>care to take this to rec.poetry or alt.evangelist or something?
>>
>
>       You miss a point, I admit  there *was* a lot of filler. :)
>
>       i)  The Federal Government is NOT "America"
>      
>       ii) For all our government's talk of "Putting people first"
>           and the gratuitous sighs of relief at Clinton's election,
>           I believe we are closer to civil war now than in the past
>           100 years.
>
>       iii) We have a government os absolutely fantastic manipulators.
>            Unfortunately, they have no sense of quantitative reality.
>
>
>     I personally feel more alienated by what I've seen in the past 4 
>     years than I can describe.  And now I'm being bombarded with
>    
>       i) Gay rights in the military.  Hey, I could give a damn, one
>          way or the other, but I'm tired of the righteous, militant
>          crap.  A backlash is coming.  
>
>       ii) I'm tired of hearing about AIDS.
>
>       iii) I'm tired of hearing about "fixing the deficit"
>
>       iv)  I watched the New York "Teaching about homosexuality in 
>            the first grade" controversy.  Quite frankly, this is not
>            even a DEBATABLE issue to me.  Indoctrinating children at
>            that age is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.  It's EVIL that's it's
>            even been contemplated.  A backlash is coming.
>
>       v) I won't give my firearms to ANYONE.  EVER.  I don't care
>          about living THAT much.  And my government is about to
>          declare war on me.
>
>       vi)  Meanwhile, I'm being sucked dry in taxes, receiving no benefits,
>            and the congress keeps on lying, taxing, and spending.
>     
>     I wouldn't let Clinton's election fool me, if I were you.  
>      There are a HUGE number of people like me.  We just don't say
>      much.  It's quite obvious it will be "Business as usual" now,
>      after seeing his appointments.
>
>Government.

no, actually you have misinterpreted me. i am just as sick and tired
of things as you are. i just would prefer to try to find solutions,
or at least discuss means of coping, rather than throwing my hands
in the air, or spouting nonsense like someone in this group has
recently started doing (i can just *feel* the poetry coming on in
response to this note).

i am not a U.S. citizen, but i consider myself more american than many
US citizens are. i believe in the ideals upon which this country was
founded. i moved here from canada, where they are further along the
path to self-destruction than we are. if you want to see where the
US will be in five years, look north of the border. especially anyome
who covets canada's despicable health care system.

canada's taxes, welfare-statism and apathy to government intervention
is sickening. it is really depressing to come down here and find
that it is getting worse, especially with that professional liar (that's
what he is) now running the country. at least there are more people
down here who are concerned about this (i'm sure there are some in
canada too) but i still see things going down the drain. and there is
nowhere else to go. i love america, and i want to stay and fix it, not
run somwhere else.

anyone who thinks there is no way they can be taxed much worse than they
are now, you are wrong. ontario has 15% sales tax. the marginal income
tax rate is over 50%. and people just don't give a damn (oh they do,
but they don't do anything about it). canada has a debt problem even
worse than the US's, and they don't have to spend a huge chunk of
their budget on the military. the price of gasoline is over 50% built-in
tax. people don't even pay attention to it any more.

you think america's manufacturing base has eroded? in the past few years,
canada has seen its productivity go down and its labor costs go up, compared
even to the US. *not* compared to japan or the world average. i heard an
estimate that ontario has lost over 20% of its manufacturing jobs just in the
past two years. that's ok, they're going to a "service economy". right.
sound familiar?

the government is pitiful. the party in power in ontario is called
the "new democratic party", which is a euphemism for the "new
socialist party", IMO. the premier there is trying to pass laws
which give a union the right to set up in a shop even if a majority
oppose it. the federal government wants to pass a law guaranteeing
"the right to shelter" (hint: who do you enslave to provide it?) and
"the right to collective bargaining" (whatever the hell that means).

during the recent constitutional referendum, many people were infuriated
by the attempts by many leading political figures to influence the
results using scare tactics ("if you say no, canada will be destroyed").
responding to the furor, the premier of ontario,
bob rae, said something on the order of: "what are you all so upset about?
we were reasonable. we *let* you vote on it" (not an exact quote).

this was not intended as an attack on canada or its people, just as
i would not attack the US or its. it is an attack on the way things are
going. it is frustration at the way things are. it is a demonstration
that there are others out there who are fed up and hope for better.

i'm sure i will get flamed for this, but that is what i see. it is
sickening. i have lived it too, probably worse than you have.
so, "mr. general boycott", stick your rhetoric and poetry where the sun
don't shine. i don't need your patronizing bull, and i'd venture neither
does anyone else. your tactics are not even very original, and are
certainly not helpful. go put it on talk.politics.bill-clinton.is.wonderful

get a clue.

--
charles
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