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From: mdu@cis.umassd.edu (Michael D. Uftring)
Subject: Re: Cheapest Beer??
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:57:27 GMT

In <1992Apr9.031100.5106@terminator.cc.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) writes:

>In article <mah2.702285658@Isis.MsState.Edu> mah2@ra.msstate.edu  
>(Michael Andrew Hodges) writes:
>> Hey, I have heard the best beers and the worst beers but YET have I  
>heard
>> what the best cheapest beers are!!!!

>My personal faves are Black Label (24/12oz longnecks for $7.99) and  
>Old Style (lately available: 20/12oz cans for $6.99).  

>Mabel...Another Black Label!
>--
>dan pritts
>computer systems consultant
>university of michigan itd consulting and support services
>dan.pritts@umich.edu    (nextmail ok, but note in subject line)
>313/998-6265

Hey if your going to include Black Label you have to talk about it's
brother Knickerbocker.  They are brewed by the same company and taste
almost the same.  The only difference is that Black label doesn't
quite have the same aftertaste as the big Knick.  Around here (SE Mass)
we can get 16 oz bottles of Knick for about $10 a case and usually Black 
Label for a buck or so less.  Not too bad...


Mike

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From: ewk@whale.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Pete's Wicked Ale?
Keywords: Pete's Wicked Ale, Watney's
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Distribution: public, world
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:58:35 GMT

In <1992Apr15.161650.7262@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>In article <rpaolino.259@polisci.pol.umn.edu>
>rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert "Blowing up Detroit" Paolino) writes:

>>GEE, THAT'S ODD.  FOR A BEER THAT LISTS PALO ALTO AS ITS HOME (EVEN THOUGH 
>>IT'S BREWED IN MINNESOTA), I'D THINK YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET IT THERE

>Can't imagine why they do that, since there's certainly no Pete's
>Wicked Brewery here.  Well, if anyone can come up with a pub in the
>mid-peninsula area that carries the stuff on draught I'd be happy to
>make an expedition there and post a full report afterwards...

I've never seen it on tap in Minnesota.  Maybe you have to go to New Ulm!

>-/-/-/-/-/-/
>Kyle
>'They have a thing called Liederhosen, which I believe are some sort 
> of musical pants.' (heard on National Public Radio)
>/-/-/-/-/-/-
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How read date code?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:55:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.1992Apr8.235550.6201
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

>
>Excuse the simple question, but could someone explain to me just how
>to read the dates on domestic beers?  I understand Budweiser uses a numbering
>system according to some basic calendar- not the Gregorian calendar.  Is there
>a way to simplify the numbers to get a good idea of the age of the 12 pack?
>

Does it really matter?  Embalming fluid lasts a *very* long time.

:-)
-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Adjuncts in brewing (Was: weird beers)
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:43:43 GMT

In article <92105.200256DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> 
DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

   In the house where my wife learned to make beer, the story was that a
   previous member of the house accidentally added an entire can of chicken
   soup to his batch of beer. He was simultaneously attempting to make his
   lunch and was a little spacey. From all accounts the beer turned out fine,
   but I would urge caution.

   Roo-Dog Rip
   """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
In the year of 1642, in a little cider mill,
A poor old dog lay down to rest, though he was feeling ill,
He chose a most precarious perch above the apple press,
And in his sleep he tumbled in, and perished in distress.

This caused his master for to grieve, likewise his mistress too,
Until their sorrows were relieved when they sampled of the brew,
"A-ha," cried Farmer Attwater, "the likes I ne'er did sup,"
So he summoned all the neighbors in and bade them drink a cup.

Now every man who drank that night got drunk as drunk could be,
And they wondered how the scrumpy had aquired such potency,
But the farmer kept his council, and they took another drop,
Then all at once the poor old dog came floating to the top.

A silence fell upon the room, and every man did frown,
They recognised old Bendigo, though he was upside down,
The Squire lost his colour and collapsed upon the floor,
And the Vicar lost his britches in the rush to reach the door.

"Fear not," cried Farmer Attwater, "for in all his life I vow,
He never bit no man, nor dog, and he'll not bite no man now,
And this shall be his epitaph, 'Here lies our faithful Ben,
Who perished in the scrumpy vat, and quickly rose again'."

So if ever you're in Devon, and you go into a bar,
Ask for Dead Dog Scrumpy, it's the best there is by far,
Refuse all imitations, and you'll sleep just like a log,
You can always recognise it by the hair of the dog.

(From Iain Mackintosh, 'Live In Glasgow', Kettle Records KOP-2,
22 South St, Kingskettle Cupar, Fife, Scotland.  Mackintosh credits
Chris Foster with teaching him the song.)
--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 15:50:57 CET
From: <FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Shelf life of beer

 Following-up on Shelf life.
 Shelf life is very much a function of teh octane rating of the beer. The
stronger, the longer (there was a gnats piss beer in the UK called longlife
with a 9 month shelf life -I presume it was well steralised- it was foul),
indeed some (over here called category S) strong beers are recomended for
NOT drinking till about 6 months old.

 However :-
 1/ Does it fizz or is it "dead". If it's dead when openned, dump it. It's a
no no.
 2/ Is it clear (assuming you haven't dissturbed any sediment), some bacterium
cause clouding.
 3/ Smell it, if it's like sewer water, throw.
 4/ If it passes all those tests it should be safe for a sip at least. If it
then tastes bad (e.g. sour, vinigary) sling it.

 Otherwise you've got a good chance of not getting a bad gut.
From: bobbyw@pvec.bridgewater.ns.ca (Bobby Whynot)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: brewing
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:59:51 GMT
Organization: Parkview Education Centre, N.S. Canada

I've been reading this news group for about 2 months now, and I've noticed 
that the majority of the articles in tis group center around brewing. All 
this brewing talk has made me want to be just like everybody else, Monkey 
see monkey do, or in this case monkey read monkey do, and brew. I'm here in 
Canada, this is leading up to a question, and want to know how much, in 
canadian money, will it cost me to start my very own brewing process? How 
much money will I save by brewing rather than buy a case o' beer?

Write me:
Bobbyw@PVEC.BRIDGEWATER.NS.CA
From: 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer in the Cap. District (NY)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Apr13.021229.2890@acsu.buffalo.edu>, apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman) writes...
> 
>	If you ever find yourself stuck in the Albany area, there is a
>wonderful pub nearby. It is in Troy, about 8 miles from downtown Albany, and 
>it is called Holmes and Watson. It is located on B'way next to the post
>office.  They have something like 50 exotic beers on tap and a couple
>hundred others in bottles.  I recently enjoyed my first Pete's Wicked Ale, 
>which they have on tap at a reasonable price, there. Good food and ambiance
>too.
>Tom Steegmann
>"There are no bad beers, some beers are better than others."
>-German proverb
As an ex-SUNYite, my hearty endorsements go out to the Washington Tavern and 
Sutter's Mill.  Spent many an hour in those places, drank many a pitcher, and 
ate many a wing!  Great couple of pubs!  Not a terribly huge beer selection in 
either place, but great atmosphere, music, and company.
From: gsure@pragati.next.com (Ganesh Sure)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Shelf life of beer
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:33:55 GMT


Hi,

Does anyone know what shelf life of commercially bought beer (in bottles)  
is? I have a few bottles sitting around for a year now. I am wondering if  
they are still good enough to drink. How can I tell?

GS
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Prior Double Dark (Was: Beer in the Cap. District (NY))
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:55:27 GMT

In article <rpaolino.254@polisci.pol.umn.edu> rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino) writes:

   The last time I was there, they had a very-reasonably priced and quite good 
   beer called Prior Double Dark on tap.  The place of origin shown on the menu 
   was NYS.  Has anyone heard of it and/or know where exactly it's brewed (and 
   if it's available in bottles)?

Last time I saw it was 7 or 8 years ago, when it was brewed by Schimdt's.
I recall liking it, though it was on the sweet side, I think.  I don't
know anything more about it.


--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yard glass quest
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:39:04 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu

In article <92106.131807FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET> FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
|
| Referring to the original poster (and his 2 replies), are these the same yards
|that we use in the UK. I (in the distant past of my studenthood) made several
|attempts at a yard and never came even close.
| The UK yard is (generally) 2.25 pints (UK, that's 45 oz.), has a VERY steep
|lip so the beer accelerates as it comes to the edge. The over-riding rule is
|you must drink the whole lot (WITHOUT SPILLAGE) and without comming up for air.
| In 1 comp you were allowed to breath, but not break the rythym, problem was it
|was "Newcastle Brown Ale" (this is a 4.5% alcohol bottled beer and VERY fizzy)
|and you had a maximum 30 seconds to do the deed.

The trick to drinking a yard, if you are the competitive sort or something,
is to drop a pinch of salt into it.  The salt will flatten the beer and make
the task much easier.  Personally, I sip and savor, never down, torpedoe or
chug(well, at least not anymore :^).

Rick

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: norm@sdc.com (Norm)
Subject: Re: Malt Liquor
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.021055.10672@husc3.harvard.edu> filippi1@husc9.harvard.edu (David Filippi) writes:
>What is the exact definition of 'malt liquor'?

All I've heard is that it is a legal term in the US for beer that is 5%
alcohol or more.  I don't think it applys to imports although you can
find imported "malt liquor"

Norm
From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: WHAT THE HELL
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:58:11 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

>In article <1992Mar27.003925.22290@news.iastate.edu>, txd84@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> WHO'S DRINKING ALL THIS FAGGOT FORGIEN BEER!!!! (especially Guiness)  This is a 
> question that my friends and I have been asking each other all week.  As for me
> I was born in AMERICA, so I drink AMERICAN.  HELL half the trade deficit must
> be coming from all these pinko forgien beers.  REAL MEN, (emphisized) drink 
> American beer, drive American cars, fuck American WOMEN (not men, no matter
> what the man's nationality), and ride HARLEYS!!!  P.S. Iowa State Basketball
> ROCKS! 

For the same reason I prefer foreign made firearms.  American made
pistols are pieces of crap in my opinion.  Although American made
revolvers are quite well made.  But this is not rec.guns.

Foreign beer is better.  To quote the Bruces.  American beer is like
making love in a canoe; it's fucking close to water. 

I will say that my computer is mostly American, AMI motherboard.  My
car is American, Ford Mustang.  But my beer and guns are generally 
foreign made and/or designed by a foreigner.
--

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From: ericd@concour.cs.concordia.ca (DELORME eric p)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Per Capita Beer Consumption
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:21:20 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

>Actually, I've heard that New Orleans has the most bars per capita of any
>city in the world.  Oddly enough, they also have the most churches per
>capita...  More New Orleans trivia: Pat O'Briens is the largest bar in
>the world in terms of alcohol served.
>
>Rick

Actually, I've heard that Reykjavic (sp?) Iceland has the highest per capita
number of bars in the world. Also they have the highest proportion of 
unwed mothers.. Go figure.

Montreal, on the other hand has (or so I've been told) the highest proportion
of bars/capita, as well as the highest number of churches/capita (in North
America). Go figure again.


--
emroLeD cirE
ac.aidrocnoc.sc.ruocnoc@dcire
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: R.R.
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:12:50 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <18775@bach.udel.edu> vmckay@bach.udel.edu (Vicki L McKay) writes:

>I will have to agree with your attitude towards Rolling Rock.  I happen
>to order it as my beer of choice because I can't really stomach darker
>beers, and I think Coors Light, etc. are akin to water.  At least RR has
>a bit of a taste to it.  

Rocks were a staple with my crowd back in college (Pittsburgh, not all that
far from the glass lined tanks of old Latrobe).  We once has a "33" party, 
which celebrated 33 of the returnable pony cases being cashed in.  RR does
use an adjunct (rice I think), but they admit it.  That's partially 
responsible for the light character without watery taste.  And I trust
'em, while some cheap beers are definitely in the "chemically suspect"
category, regardless of taste.

I've recently been sampling some of the cheaper Canadian beers available
around here.  There are a number of brews that yield a 12 pack for the 
6 pack price of a true premium European or American beer.  I can't say
as I've found a bad one yet, though nothing spectacular.  O'Keefe in 
this area (South Jersey/Philly) goes for around $6-something per 12
pack, it's a reasonably tastey typical Canadian lager.  I've found a 
few for less, but apparently if you go any lower, they start removing
taste.  Strangely enough, Molson Golden, acceptable but my least
favorite of the Molson brews, seems to have become much cheaper lately,
while for some reason, Labatt's has gone way up in price.  Perhaps I
missed an important "who's in, who's out" list.


-- 
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   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
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From: ssmith@eoin.net.netcom.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer storage in stores
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 11:12:42 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems

dbreiden@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Danny Breidenbach) writes:

> I've gotta real question for all of you who drink lots of stroe bought beer.
> Does the store in which you buy the stuff take any precautions to keep the
> beer in good shape?

The finest place I've been to as far as beer-handling goes is Liquor
Mart at 15th & Canyon in Boulder, Colorado.  They do handle the cheap
canned stuff stacked warm in the store, although a few are chilled
for the fratboy/weekend warrior crowd.  The good stuff (and they have
an admirable selection of the good stuff) is always kept chilled. 
You may choose from the selections in the cooler, or you may walk
into the quite large walk-in refrigerator for greater quantities, or
to see if something interesting hasn't made it out front yet.

As far as lighting goes, it's not a particularly dark store--'t would
be kinda dangerous--but that's why beer is generally sold in dark
glass containers.

Anyone know of a quality beer place here in the San Francisco Bay
Area?  South Bay or East Bay preferred....

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolotl.com

     "For the world trusts us with power... they trust
      us to do what's right."    
                   G. Bush, "State of the Union," 1992
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Subject: Re: Per Capita Beer Consumption
Reply-To: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Organization: U of AK - Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.225616.11251@sdc.com>, norm@sdc.com (Norm) writes:
|>
|>I've heard that people in the Queensland area of Australia drink over 60
|>gallons of beer per capita per annum.  Anyone have any stats on tavern
|>density
|>or per capita beer drinking in the US?  I've heard that LaCross,
|>Wisconsin has 
|>the most bars per capita but that was long ago.
|>
|>Cheers, Norman
|>


Ahh, LaCrosse, WI - I grew up there.  Headquarters of Heilemans is located
there.  I can remember not only lots of bars (third street especially), but
inexpensive also - 25 cent tappers, and 1.25 pitchers, then there was happy
hour....  Third street (downtown) was blocks and blocks of literally wall to 
wall bars.  The bars weren't wide, about 20 to 30 feet, but were long - up 
to 1/2 block long.

yep, sure is a lot of beer swilled in that town.


Randy
sxrmh1@raven.alaska.edu
From: rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: R.R.
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:55:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <s1vvlINNffi@cs.utexas.edu>, wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes...

>On a related note, is there any worse beer than Bud Light in the can?!?
>None seem to come to mind...

>Rick
	Have you ever tried Simpatico?
	It is a Mexican beer that tastes much like the water in a garden 
hose that has sat out in the sun.

Cheers!
Rod Schaffter                                 	
Laboratory for Molecular Structure and Bonding	|Who cares if windows is or 
Texas A&M University Dept. of Chemistry		|isn't an opperating system-
Bitnet:   SCHAFFTER@TAMLMSB			|it barely operates at all!
INTERNET: SCHAFFTER@LMSBVX.TAMU.EDU		|
	"Standard Disclaimer, etc."		|An OOPerating system, maybe?
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: blueml@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Guenter Blueml)
Subject: Re: Munich beer restaurants?
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:52:05 GMT

citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:


>> The have giant Hexen (a Bavarian speciality) and they brew a terrific beer.  

... the name of the bavarian speciality isn't "Hexen" but "Hax'n" or "Schweinshax'n"!!!

              (i think you mean a 'roasted foot of a pig', don't you ???)

    greetings from bavaria, gue


blueml guenter__extra bavaria nulla vita est, si est vita, non est ita___  ___
bayerisches forschungszentrum fuer wissensbasierte systeme               \/   \
univ. passau, bavaria, west-germany______________________________________/  ___
blueml@forwiss.uni-passau.de                                             \     |
_________________________________________________________________________/\___/
From: rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Enough talk!  Time for beer!
Summary: Coaster exchange program
Keywords: coasters, beer-mats, Schlitten, stamps
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:22:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: polisci.rpaolino.213
Distribution: public, world
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr7.214333.22256@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.190048.25729@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>,
>mgw@weejordy.physics (Martin "That's Right" White) writes:

>> Hello to beer drinkers worldwide.

>Quite a powerful way to start a message, especially for this
>newsgroup... so I'll echo it on this message, in which I'm making a
>modest proposal.  Greetings to all beer fanciers, everywhere; everyone
>having a beer, recently having had a beer, or looking forward to their
>next beer.

>This request goes out to all readers of alt.beer, but particularly our
>European residents...
 I noticed how lacking my collection of coasters is
>becoming.  I used to have a prized collection of beermats
  I'd like to get my
>collection back up to snuff, so if there's anyone out there who would
>help me, perhaps someone of similar interest, I'd be very grateful.
>If you'd care to take a moment next time you're in your favourite pub,
>whether it's in three months, or three hours, grab a local coaster,
>stick it in an envelope and mail it to me
  I'll gladly >reciprocate
as long as it's small and comparatively easy to mail.  

>If there's any interest, e-mail me to exchange addresses and let's do
>it.  Thanks for your time, and to everyone else, sorry for the
>comparatively low beer-content of this post.  But hey, where would we
>be without beermats?

>-/-/-/-/-/-/
>Kyle
>'Another disappearing thing is the casual vomit.' --Billy Connolly
>/-/-/-/-/-/-


I don't know about the low beer content, particularly compared to some of 
the posts we've seen (I won't mention any particular states or 
universities).  But it sounds like a good idea.  I'd like to make the same 
request.

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From: jborzell@oak.math.ucla.edu (Joseph Borzellino)
Subject: Re: weird beers
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:35:00 GMT

In article <702921619.F00009@blkcat.UUCP> Paula.Goldman@f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paula Goldman) writes:
>HELP!  I'm a homebrewer who got volunteered to be brewer-of-the month 
>for my brewclub's October meeting.  What the brewer-of-the-month 
>generally needs to do is brew a case of beer of the specified style, 
>plus write up a short article about the style for the club's newsletter. 
> Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, since there are reference works 
>for *most* styles of beer.
>
>  
>
>However, October's style is Weird beers, and only netwisdom can help me 
>now.  I do have an imagination, and I have come up with some ideas about 
>what I can brew, but I need your help regarding the history of weird 
>beers.  
>

One good book with a lot of strange beer recipes, is a book called the
"Joy of Homebrewing" by Charlie Papazian ( the founder of the American
Homebrewers Association).  It contains recipes for most traditional beers
but also has some custom recipes with strange ingredients.  I suggest you
take a look at it for some ideas.   One fairly easy thing to do is to replace
dextrose with honey, if you don't mind making non  all malt brews.

				     Joe.