From: lambri@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Lambrinos)
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 13:09:35 GMT


In article <rsakella.716140924@p4.cs.man.ac.uk>, rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes:
> lambri@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Lambrinos) writes:
> 
> >macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis) writes:
> >> ..., since after all Cretan dialect is a Greek dialect, and
> >> the great bulk of the vocabulary and almost all the grammar is
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> strictly Greek, ...
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >inta les more koumparo tha mas e kouzoulanis!!!
> > ^^^          ^^^^^^^^         ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >diale tsia apolimanous sou more!! <---- not meant to offend anyone.
> >^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Does this sound ***modern*** greek to you? 
> >Do you recognise the most of the words in this sentence as ***modern*** greek? 
> >Does the grammar seem ***greek*** to you?
> 

First of all when Stavros said:....strictly Greek, I thought
he meant "modern" Greek--->the type of greek that modern athenians,for
example, are using today. I apologise to Stavros if he meant something different.

> I don't think that your examples change the initial argument of 
> Mr. Macrakis. When one refers to the Greek language, I don't understand
> only what is known as "modern Greek", but a rather general definition 
> that includes all the developments of this language since Antiquity
> which were not dominated by elements from other languages. According
> to that, I cannot understand why the Cretan dialect cannot be considered
> as Greek. The same reasoning applies to the Greek-Cypriot dialect; the
> syntax of the latter seems sometimes peculiar but definitely the language
> is Greek. As you write, the Cretan dialect has a lot of ancient Greek words 
> which are not widely used today; despite the influences from the Venecians
> don't you think that the language is Greek?

Cretan dialect is Greek (probably more greek than the greek).
The words: "Classic Greek" or "Ancient Greek", "Modern Greek" "Dialects"
are a bit confusing.

> Instead of Stavros' suggestion to promote the local dialects, I'd suggest
> teaching the development of the Greek language throughout the centuries.
> Those who want to continue speaking local dialects certainly can do it, and

Absolutely right!
Its up to the people to preserve their local culture, and beleive
me the Cretan and Pontians are doing well on the mater!


> it's up to them; but on the other hand I find better to know the origins
> of today's Greek which are almost unknown for us...

Godem right again!
> 
> PS : From the writings of a Greek pupil:
> "... and Leonidas replied, in Persian, `molwn labe'..."
>  

Sad....


DIMITRIOS (not the Great)





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*MACEDONIA FOR THE CRETANS                                *
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*MACEDONIE C'EST CRETEN         			  *
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*MACEDONIEN IST CRETANISCH				  *
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*MACEDONIA IS CRETAN					  *
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*MA-TSE-DO-NI-EN TSI-EN CGE-TE 				  *
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*ALEXANDER IS THE SON OF MINOAS                           *
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*BOUKEFALAS IS THE SON OF MINOTAURUS                      *
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*DAIDALOS WAS AN EVIL GREEK CIVIL ENGINEER		  *
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*IKAROS WAS A GOOD BOY (UNLIKE HIS FUTHER)                *
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*EVIL GREEKS DROP DOWN IKAROS BY USING AN EXOSET          *
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Potes tha ka potes tha kaaaaaaneeiii xasteriaaa
epoteeeees thaaaa fleeeeee-variiiiisi, potes tha flevarisi
naaa paro toooo, na paaro to ntoufeki mou.
Na katevo na katevo stooon pirgo to lefko.......ftouuu! den kolaei.

This is 100% greek (cretan)


Alaxe h marigo kai ebale ta rouha aloiws.
        slavoi                    apo oloklirotikoi slavoi to pezoun twra
                                  oi kaumenoi ftwhoi makedones	dhmokrates
                                  pou tous adikoune oloi kai propantos h istoria.