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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: alt.culture.bengali or Sci.lang.Bengali
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:48:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu


I am posting this at Bijoy Sagar's request, not because I suddenly feel 
more empathy for a Bengali language based newsgroup, but in retrospect
it seems that since the formation of such a newsgroup is destined to be, it 
might as well have a name that I can live with. I am proposing that we call 
the new newsgroup SCI.LANG.BENGALI. There are a few reasons for this:

1. It will enable the new newsgroup to retain it's ties with SCI and also
make it easier to identify splintered newsgroups which the user
can then combine, once the GNU effort that Subhu alluded to is complete.
Some of you may wonder, what is so important in a name? Well for starters,
identifying the roots for a new newsgroup will hopefully make fanatics
on either side of the religious/political divide less likely to
target it for propaganda purposes.

2. A language based newgroup will also make it harder for people
to indulge in religious and/or political discussions that seem to be the
hallmark of most other subcontinental newsgroups. This will possibly leave the
door open for an unhindered exchange of ideas relating to Bengali culture.

3. Sci.lang.bengali should address the need (with which I disagree) to have
a newsgroup that will cater to the language and cultural needs of the 
Bengali speaking population of India. This culture is markedly different
from the people of Bangladesh and for those who do not know, even the
Bengali dialects that are spoken on either side of the border are quite
dissimilar. Currently SCB does not do this as it primarily caters (and 
rightfully so) to the national issues facing the BD people and their heritage.
 
This is not to say that SLB will be the sole preserve of Bengali's from India.
I am sure most people will be more than happy to hear from the BDeshi folks
about their views on any or all subjects dealing with our culture. 

Feel free to post your resposes to the net.

Samit
-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |
From: brahme@atpg.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: (none)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:34:35 GMT

Subject: Ancient chinese proverb

When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger..


db
From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ouch! I can smell the flames coming!
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:14:16 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

                         
Q. What is a Sardar coctail?
A. Perrier and water.

Q. What should you do when you see some Sardars trapped in cement?
A. Run for more cement!

Q. What did the naked Sardar say to the elephant?
A. Puttar, your wife must be indeed very, very satisfied!


Ouch!  I can smell the flames coming!  Bring 'em on, frands!
From: yedur@egr.msu.edu (Sanjay Yedur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: visa for European countries
Summary: visa information required
Keywords: visa,Europe
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: frith.egr.msu.edu

Hi,
I would be interested in obtaining any information related to getting visas for Indian nationals in Western European countries like France, Austria, Switzerland,Germany, Holland Italy, etc. If any one has obtained tourist visas for these countries, I will be obliged to receive info like sponsorship requirements, cost of the visa, and ease/difficulty of obtaining the visa etc. Please e-mail your 
replies directly to
yedur@egr.msu.edu

Thanks in advance.
Sanjay Yedur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Please Make me Bengali [ Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks] -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.025447.27626@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
>So many reasons to be a bengali, at least a honorary one.
>Do I have to count more reasons ?
8B theke boshe paanchjoner shonge lemon chaa aar feeltar hooeels 
kheyecho ?
10 ghonta bekaar boshe aantellectual kotha kore kore thek merecho ?
Evaluate yourself now ! :-)
Ruchir.
>
>2] Stay Cool..
Thik, guru, matha thanda rakhai besh.

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Good News for India
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:49:52 GMT


	

	  I )	Our dear  RAM VILAAS PASWAAN has been

		made the CHAIRMAN of the INTERNATIONAL

		OLYMPIC COMMITTEE .



	  II)	And  Janata Dal has become

		Janata Dal ( INTERNATIONAL )



         III)   Mr. V.P. Singh  has been thrown out of 

		Janata Dal and Janata Dal ( INT.) because

		he doesn't belong to any of the SC/ST or

		OBC classes .

		HO HO HO HO HO HO HO  !!!
From: gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Seetham's Blasphemy or Cheap Tickets To VaikunTam
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:42:12 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

In article <1992Dec29.155353.809@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]

>There are some language bigots who simply hate north indians
>because they speak Hindi, and hate them simply because they
>are north indians.
>
>...kt

Some people cannot accept diversity. They have severe inferiority complex
that they consider their language is inferior to other languages.
They often deviate from topics under discussion to reveal this complex.
Kurram, I pity you. Gaaduthey can not become Gurram just by hating
aavu. Take pride in what you are!

Happy New Year!!

N. Gopalswamy


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman )
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Followup-To: poster
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:56:11 GMT

[Followups to poster]

nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
)godura@nori.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:
)>dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

[deleted]

Could you folks please look at the Newsgroups header to see where the
post is going to? The folks on alt.config have got nothing to do with
this thread.

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal (NO !!!)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:50:33 GMT

Hey guys, 
How about cutting down the crossfire and really posting some Bengali
gems (poetry, jokes, whatever) on the net ?
If SCI readers enjoy them, then all's fine, but if they don't, I see
no justification in protesting (the creation of) Soc.culture.bengal.
Waiting ..
Ruchir.
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42032 alt.culture.tamil:1300
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.telugu
Subject: Looking for housing near USL.
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:21:14 GMT
Distribution: usl
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Hi,

A friend of mine, Mr. Krishnan, is joining USL in the
Spring 1993 semester. He is looking for housing, 
preferably close to the USL campus.

If you are in a position to help Mr. Krishnan, please contact 
me at 231-3544, or send an email to sudhi@usl.edu

Thanks in advance. 

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
********************   Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.   **********************
email : sudhi@usl.edu,         Address : USL PO Box 41688,
        sgs@ucs.usl.edu                  Lafayette, LA 70504-1688. USA.
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From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SCI and Indian women : Incongruent entities??
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:55:27 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




It really suprises me that this newsgroup is almost completely devoid
of women. I know that atleast 20% of all Indian students in the US 
are female, and yet barring a handful of exceptions, all the posters are
male. 

Soc.culture.indian is in the 8th or 9th place as far the total volume of posts]
are concerned. Considering that the newsgroups with higher volume
are mainly of alt.binary.pictures.* heirarchy, I think that we could safely
assume that this newsgroup is one of the most active newsgroups. Yet, there
is so much apathy from women. 

Perhaps the vitriolic postings that have become the signature of the newsgroups
pertaining to our subcontinent, have been too acerbic to cater to the
sentiments of women? Or is it that they consider the intellectual pubescence
of the average netter too putrid to pay serious attention to? I wonder!

On the other token, I would think that any of us who may complain about
the lack of direction or substance in this newsgroup should take charge and
try to elevate SCI to be more readable.

- Bijoy Sagar
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41962 soc.culture.bangladesh:7086
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Irony of Baul Culture [Was: Shaping Bengali Culture]
Date: 25 Dec 1992 16:23:03 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

Now I have seen attempts to separate the so-called "bhadralok" culture from
the "Baul Culture". Unfortunately a person who tries to do that understands
neither.


Let's take Ramprasad. Ramkrishna was a direct product of Ramprashad's heritage
whose views got full expression in Vivekananda. Thus renessiance is a
fulfillment a full blossoming of all that is inherent in the grass roots of
the society being kindled by all that is good in the Western Culture.

Let's take Lalan Fakir. The person who will come closest to anything that
comes close to Lalan's gems is Rabindranath. Talking about the Bauls my
mind always wanderss back to Samaresh Basu's writings where he clearly showed
how Rabindranath was the ultimate consummation of the Baul lineage and how
all the Bauls realize that.

And neither Ramprasad nor Lalan Fakir will appreciate their names being
associated with a class struggle. I should end with a quote from Ramprasad.

Man re Krishikaj jano na
Emon Manobjomin roilo patit abad korle phalto sona.

Mind, you do not understand how to till>
This ripe field known as the human life which can produce gold remain untilted.

But, then religion is the opium of masses.

Love
Arindam
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Idol Worship in Hinduism
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:36:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Idol worship is a technique that helps the aspirant to
	concentrate his/her mind on 'Godlike' features and create an
	environment for a 'promise'. The worship does not bring desired
	results by itself. The worship is the promise between the aspirant 
	and God of a 'sacrifice' that is necessary to bring desired results. 

	Sacrifice, i.e., kartvayam karma (divine action), is a medium of
	communication between devotee and God. It is very dificult to find
	out what is a divine action. Gita tells one technique which require
	one to give up all desires and actions to God and let Him, through 
	you, determine divine actions. Let him also give you the results.
	This kind of understanding of 'kratvyam karma' should be protected 
	by the influence 'tamas' and 'rajas' gunas. 

	If dominated by 'tamas' guna, there is a danger of this 'kartvyam
	karma' turning into 'inaction'.

	If dominated by 'raja' guna, there is danger of this 'kartvyam
	karma' turning into 'macho' type behavior.

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of the United States of America. My employer is not responsible for any
damage or damages caused as a result of my writings.

-- Virendra Verma
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vsaini@IASTATE.EDU (Vikram Saini)
Subject: INFO  NEEDED FOR M.S. COMP.SCI. & MBA(SYSTEMS)  
Reply-To: vsaini@IASTATE.EDU (Vikram Saini)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:40:08 GMT


Can you guys please send me info about higher studies in M.S. Comp. Sci.
and M.B.A. (Systems) at your universities. I need this info for a guy who did
his B.E.(Hons.) Electrical & Electronics from BITS Pilani in Dec.1987 and is
currently working as a Software Engineer with a multi-national company in Hong
Kong. He wants to know about the conditions for admission (undergrad CGPA,
GRE/GMAT score, whether A-GRE is required or not), financial aid scene etc. Will
his experience count in getting admission and financial assistantship. Please
send the e-mail address from where application material can be obtained.

Please send the info at my e-mail address only.

Thanks in advance.

Vikram Saini
From: varma@paul.rutgers.edu (not yet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:22:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <199212240126.AA05216@mp.cs.niu.edu>, t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:
> 
> Hi Netters,
> 
> when do we have our own alt.culture.bangla newsgroup? I think
> it is overdue.  While many of these newsgroups such as a.c.tamil
> are used for people-bashing, we could use a.c.b to talk about
> the poetry and culture of Bengali society, especially of the
> last century. Any takers?
> 
> Bijoy



Bijoy and other 'takers',

Bangla is the national language of Bangladesh.
Therefore if you wish to discuss 'poetry and culture of Bengali
society' then soc.culture.bangladesh is an appropriate newsgroup. 

However, I am sure that this proposal will not be adequate because
creation of a newsgroup for your state probably is a ego issue. After
all, Tamils and Telugu speakers have it. Why should the Bengali's be
left behind?

And then the Bengali's are of course superior: they will use their
newsgroup not for people-bashing but 'poetry and culture of Bengali
society'.

Tell you what, you and the other 'takers' create a country for
yourselves. Then the demand will look legitimate. (And let me assure
you that you will have ample support because there will be many like
me who would prefer not to share a newsgroup with myopic creatures
like you).
 
Harsh Varma
Department of Computer Science
Rutgers University

Disclaimer: None. Please, everyone adopt my opinion, I am right!

Postscript: Please dont flame me, and I get very scared by death
            threats.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: baskiyar@matterhorn.ee.umn.edu (Sanjeev Baskiyar)
Subject: Accommodation needed at San Diego, Jan 17-20
Keywords: San Diego, Jan 17-20
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:23:26 GMT

I need accommodation for a very short period of about three days at 
San Diego, preferably near LaJolla (UCSD).  Does any one 
know somebody having a vacant place. Otherwise, 
names of not very expensive hotels/motels in or near the 
LaJolla area will be appreciated.  
{e-mail: baskiyar@matterhorn.ee.umn.edu}

Thanks,

Sanjeev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: krishna@iss.nus.sg (...Krishnamoorthy)
Subject: Re: India's place in the world economy
Originator: krishna@suliman
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:29:12 GMT


<> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
<> 
<>   With all this talk of India becoming another "Tiger", it is worth looking
<> at India's present position in the world economy.
<> ....
<> 18 --> 	India		 236		878		  269
<> .....
<> .....
<>   Goodbye, Manmohan Singh. Goodbye, reforms.

Hi Banarji,

Don't feel dejected. Still we have the hope and we will do better, and come
up.  It is not necessary to attract the NRI's investment, need not look for 
foreign investment, but the economy will take it's wings by our own people, 
the 1% of the 850 million population, the owners of corporate capital! 

The recent forecast by the world financial body in it's report on India, gives
5% economic growth rate. It is a remarkable by comparing 2.1% a year back.

Another source, quoting Montek Singh Ahluwalia, says the inflation rate will
be maintained at 8% level in 1993. Right now, the sources claims around 9% 
level. 

Even after the scam and demolition, the capital markets are not slowed down,
and we see more of its growth. For example, on November 16, 36 companies
simultaneously came out with new issues, it happens despite scam, despite the
fall of in the Bombay Sensex from 4,500 to 2,500, despite accusations of
insider-trading and market rigging, long snaking queues of investors spent 
hours in the sun waiting to entrust their savings to an industrial class.

In an article, "A new path" by C.T.Kurien in FRONTLINE, says it is "People's
capitalism" in India. He talks about the role of the "creative minority",
who will lead the economic prosperity for the country. He considers 10% of 
the population including the affluent workforce, professionals, and 
businessmen will play the major role.

No communist or the so called socialist path will stop that. The process 
already started, we need to thank Manmohan Singh and his team, for furthering 
the trend.  No force will stop and reverse the path.  It is quite impossible.

Let us stretch the percentage more than 1% of the owners of corporate 
capital.  That will do wonders despite all the odds we face currently, like 
BJP's dirty politics, Communist's opportunistic politics and Congress(I) 
balancing between the opposites.

Rather getting dejected by the trends, sacrifice some sandwiches and pizzas, 
invest in the shares back in India. Forget the big businessman, forget the
communists, forget the masjid-mandir, forget the bureaucracy, but the little
investment will help and encourage new class of breed to come up, and will 
help India to progress faster.

-Krishna
krishna@iss.nus.sg
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: do we need a religion
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:25:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Godura darling writes:
>Do I notice just a hint of unsporting (attempt at (woeful one at that)) humor there ?

	Imputing non-existent characteristics to take the easy way out...

>I could go on with this thread ...

	whom are you trying to kid? :)

>But this was an experiment to see how self styled comedians
>digest their own medicine.

	On the net, each one is self-styled. Like a self-styled 
	pseudo-patriotic Ram bhakt like you...

>Apparently there are signs of indigestion here.

	Looks are deceptic, especially when one has myopia like you do.


>I'm content to let Vijaya darling have the last (mmmphh) f-f-fa-fart. (_)(_)


My dear Ram bhakt Goduram,
Why bagal mein churi and munh mein Ram naam?
Worma in the talking, atleast the phunny joker,
You a peurile stinker and just the nose poker?

Cowntinue the mullah-bashing,
Someday your throat he slashing,
Dumping you in holy Ganga (sic),
For acts such much in the brashing.
Mee singy prayers for thee,
may your soul rest in pee (ce) :)
	
FFT


































































	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan)
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:50:27 GMT

In article <1hdd3mINN120@aludra.usc.edu> banerjee@usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.202902.28373@news2.cis.umn.edu> balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan) writes:
>>>when do we have our own alt.culture.bangla newsgroup? I think
>
>> nice suggestion. better still, i would suggest soc.culture.bengal - i expect
>> the response to be good.. as bengalis are not just confined to WB alone
>> and Bangladeshis would also be interested in interested in such a newsgroup
>> I suppose.  
>
>Soc.culture newsgroups are usually reserved for individual countries. The last
>time I checked, West Bengal was still a part of India :-)

 - How about soc.culture.tamil ? Are you saying Tamil Nadu is a seperate 
   country now ? The motivation for creating it was that tamilians are spread 
   out not only in TamilNadu but also in countries like Malaysia etc, in 
   large proportions. hence your statement that '..usually reserved for 
   individual countries' is not really correct.. so I didn't mean to imply 
   a hypothetical country (union of the present West Bengal and Bangladesh) 
   when I suggested 'soc.culture.bengal' . I should probably have said 
   soc.culture.bengali to signify the language. I think you looked at it from 
   a very narrow perspective.. 
>
>
>Samit
>
 Balaji.S. 

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From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Censorship and Internet (Re: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 11:59:58 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

First amendment does not give any one the right of access to media owned
privately (such as newspapers and magazines) or to controlled media of
limited bandwidth (such as broadcast radio/tv; only designated public-access
channels on cable TV escape this). Private universities and organizations
can limit or remove access to InterNet and such. Provided that the rules
for such action are spelled out and are not discriminatory, there is nothing
any one can do about that.

The case of public universities is a lot more muddier. Till a case is brought
and the courts decide, I won't assume that my access is invoilate.

If some one makes a slanderous remark or uses uncalled for vulgarity, save it,
send it to the system administrator of the poster and demand action. If none
is forthcoming, pursue the matter with the ompudspersons' office at the
institution. If anyone's first amendment rights are voilated, they can
seek legal remedies.

-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42022 soc.culture.pakistan:18827