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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: > APO'DAN TRT'YE SOK ACIKLAMALAR < (Turkiye, 19 Ocak 1992)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:23:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 APO'DAN TRT'YE SOK ACIKLAMALAR

 ANKARA- Apo adIyla bilinen PKK lideri Abdullah Ocalan, TRT'ye sok
 acIklamalarda  bulundu. Ilk  defa kendi  sesiyle TRT  ekranlarIna
 gelecek  olan   Apo,  verdigi   demecte  kendisini,   Kuzey  Irak
 harekatInI ve 1993 hedeflerini de acIkladI. Kurt halkI ile ilgili
 dusuncelerini "KURT HALKI  KADINLASTIRILMISTIR" diyerek ozetleyen
 Ocalan, HEP'e de karsI oldugunu  belirtti. Apo kendisi ile ilgili
 olarak  son derece  romantik  oldugunu,  evlilige siddetle  karsI
 cIktIgInI ve bir gun bir  kitap yazarsa adInI "KURT NAMUSSUZLUGU"
 koyacagInI soyledi.

 Orgut anlayIsInI  ve ideolojisini  de acIklayan  Abdullah Ocalan,
 "BEN TOPLUMDAN INTIKAM ALIYORUM" dedi.

 Devlet  Televizyonu'nda yaklasIk  30  dakika  konusacak olan  PKK
 lideri Apo'nun  bu acIklamalarI  Erturk Yondem'in  hazIrladIgI 21
 Ocak Persembe Gecesi TRT-1'de  ekrana gelecek olan "Perde ArkasI"
 programInIn icinde  yayInlanacak. YayInlandIktan sonra  cok guclu
 tepkilere  yol acacak  ve  kamuoyunu sok  edecek programIn  gizli
 kalan   tek   yanI   Apo   ile   roportajI   yapanIn   kimliginin
 acIklanmamasI. 21-24  AralIk 1992 tarihleri  arasInda gerceklesen
 Abdullah Ocalan roportajInI yapan  ve kurum dIsIndan olan kisinin
 yuzu  ekranda gorunmeyecek.  Perde arkasI  programI daha  sonraki
 gunlerde TRTINT-Avrasya,  TRT-GAP kanallarI ile  Turkiye'nin Sesi
 ve Turkiye RadyolarI'nda da yayInlanacak.

 TURKiYE, 19 Ocak 1993
             _
 |-| /-\ |_ |_| |< {"Bugunden sonra benim icin 'HERGUN BAYRAM',
                     100,000'ler olse de bu is devam edecek."
                                           Abdullah OCALAN, 'APO'}
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Re: Tell Us, Mr. Ozguven
Summary: _Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_ 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:41:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.135607.11375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David 
Davidian) wrote:

[DD] It is almost not worth another refutation of such creative demographics, 
[DD] however, I will respond by asking you to translate into English (since 
[DD] you are in England) the following title of a Turkish text published in 
[DD] Germany within the past few months:
[DD] 
[DD] 	_Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_, by Taner Akcam, 1992, Germany
[DD]
[DD] You see Kutluk, my Turkish is quite poor, but you -- who has the courage 
[DD] to revise the history of the Armenian people in front of thousands who 
[DD] read your crap -- should be man enough to translate this simple title into
[DD] proper English so the rest of us will not get the wrong impression of you!
[DD]
[DD] Go ahead, we await your translation. As you think of the translation, go 
[DD] look in the mirror! 

Well, Mr. Ozguven, what's the problem. Can't you respond? Have you lost your
voice [or fingers]? This is easy Turkish:


 	_Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_, by Taner Akcam, 1992, Germany
         |                 |    |           |
         +-----------------+    +-----------+
               Part 1       and     Part 2
 
It's only a two part title...tell us, Mr. Ozguven!

-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208)
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Central Asia.
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:22:53 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre


From TEX5HAD@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1 Wed Jan 20 17:46:19 1993
Subject: Symposium on CENTRAL ASIA (fwd)
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Subject:  Symposium on CENTRAL ASIA
>From:    M.Ersuz@UK.AC.GLASGOW.VME
Date:     20 Jan 93 15:30:11

      CALL FOR PAPERS AND REGISTRATION

      The University of Edinburgh (Scotland)

              4-6 APRIL 1993

OBJECTIVES
The Symposium will provide a unique oppurtunity for academics, governmental
officials, business people and concerned organisations in the Central
Asian Republics and the role and influence of neighbouring countries on
these republics. The Symposium will debate the present socio-economic and
political situation and the future outlooks in Central Asian Republics.

TOPICS
Papers are invited on topics that deal with the present and future social
and economic developments in the Central Asian Republics, Azerbejian,
Armenia and Georgia.

ABSTRACTS
Abstracts should be approximately 250 WORDS IN LENGTH

Three copies of each abstract should be submitted by JANUARY 30, 1993 to:

Dr. G.R. Sabri TABRIZI
Conference Director
Department of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies
The University of Edinburgh
7-8 Buccleuch Place
Edinburgh EH8 9LW

Tel:(031) 650 4180/4181
Fax:(031) 650 6536

FINAL PAPERS
Final papers for selected abstracts are expected to arrive before 15 March
1993 and will be distributed during sessions. Final program will be issued
in March 1993

FEES
Conference Fee is : #30 for Academics
                    #10 for Students
                    #100 for Business and Government Participants

ACCOMMODATION
Accomodation in:
Pollock Halls of Residence,
The University of Edinburgh      #60.

Thsi includes accommodation for two nights, with coffee/tea and lunches.
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The university of Edinburhgh
Department of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies

Symposium
on
CENTRAL ASIA
on 4-6 April 1993

REGISTRASTION FORM

Please return this registration form as soon as possible, together with
the conference fee, to:
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Conference Director
Department of Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies
The University of Edinburgh
7-8 Buccleuch Place
Edinburgh EH8 9LW
Tel:(031) 650 4180/4181
Fax:(031) 650 6536

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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Seyreyleyin gumburtuyu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:15:35 GMT

In article <1029323.42184.17605@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
>Turk Ulusunun uslu cocuklari !
>
>'ulus'u 'millet'ten ayirmaktan aciz bir adamin ilkeleri (kitabi) 
>uzerine oturtulmaya calisilan bir anayasa ve yasalara (dine) dayali
>kuruluslardan (milletten) ulusunuza na yarar saglanabilir ?

Bir insan dusunun, din gozunu o kadar karartmis ki, cumhuriyetin 
yasalarini bile din saniyor.

Asil boyleleri Turkiye'ye ne yarar saglayabilir?

Degerli kardesler, alayci tavirlar takinmayin. Takinirsaniz, ayni
tavirlari davet edersiniz. Su an sizinle alay edilmemesinin nedeni
haketmemeniz degil, yazan kisinin duygularina esir olmamayi
basarmasindandir.

Yoksa Turk ulusunun uslu cocuklari yaramaz olmayi da bilir!
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: zkurmus@MtHolyoke.edu (Zeynep A. Kurmus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: uzuldum
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:32:17 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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Daha iki gun oldu Turkiye'den doneli. Iki gunde neler oluyor... En 
sevdigim, en saydigim, Turkiye'de sayili degerde bulunan bir insan
oldurulmus. Sagciymis, solcuymus, suymus, buymus onemli degil.
Sonucta hepimiz birer insaniz. Birbirimizin dusuncelerine saygi
duymadigimiz surece insanligimiz kayboluyor. Ugur Mumcu'yu oldurenler
insan degil. Amaclari ne olursa olsun, onlar insan degil. Sol dusunceyi
kinamak isteyenler istediklerini yazabilirler, tartisabilirler, 
protesto edebilirler, ne isterlerse yapabilirler. Ayni sey sag
dusunceyi kinamak isteyenler icin de gecerli. Ama bir INSANIN
canini almak kimsenin hakki degildir. HICKIMSENIN!
Hepimizin basi sagolsun. Baris dolu bir dunya icin hep beraber 
savasalim.
Sevgiler, saygilar
Zeynep

 
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From: benan@utkvx1.utk.edu (Basoglu, Benan)
Subject: Bazi onemli maclarin sonucu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:57:00 GMT

Kayseri 0 - Kocaeli   0
G.Saray 5 - G.Birligi 2
F.Bahce 3 - Bakirkoy  1
Sariyer 2 - Trabzon   2
K.Yaka  2 - Besiktas  2

Ayrintilari bekleyiniz.

Selamlar

Benan BASOGLU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Susmaya devam eden laikler: Siz de katilsiniz!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:50:20 GMT

In article <C1JLnC.yr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ehsan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ehsanullah Ateeqi) writes:
>Ya yarin, "kendinizin/annenizin/kizkardesinizin/esinizin", "Genelev hizmeti"ne
>de katilmasi, cok mu hosunuza gidecek? Buyurun bakin:
>
>   In article <C1J361.4o4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu 
>   (Emre Erkut) writes:
>   > ...
>   > Manukyana gelince, buyuksirket patronlari gibi vergisini kacirmayip
>   > odedigi icin, bence onaylanacak bir insandir. Genelev hizmetine
>                                                   ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>   > karsiysaniz, Anadolu'da bu isler nasil olur bilirsiniz.
>   > ...
>   > Turkiye laiktir ve oyle kalacaktir.
>   > ...
>   > Emre Erkut                            
>
>
>Iste laiklik, iste demokrasi !!!!
>

Aradaki iki satiri silerseniz istediginiz sekle gelir tabi!
Yeniden soyleyeyim:
Anadolu'da bu isler nasil olur bilirsiniz:
Ya esek duzerler ya da 14 yasinda evlendirirler.

Demokrasiyi sizden ogrenecek degiliz Sayin Islamcilar!

Mollalar Iran'a!
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Islama Kalkan Eller Kirilacaktir!
Keywords: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:59:15 GMT

In article <BviSnE.bhu@qucdn.queensu.ca> aahmed@qucdn.queensu.ca (A.Ahmed) writes:
>Ugur Mumcu hepinize ders olmali.
>Sayin Remzi kardesinde belirttigi gibi,Mumcu gibiler bize her zaman
>lazimdir,Kotu olmadan iyiyi anlayamayiz ve goremeyiz.
>
>Mumcu bir komunist bozuntusu idi

Utanin!
Utanin!
Ne dusunceye sayginiz var, ne de insanliga.

Asil bizim sizin gibilere gereksinimimiz var, saglikli dusunebildigimizi
ve insanca duygulara sahip oldugumuzu anlayabilmemiz icin.

>Sizin efendiniz Amerika din kardeslerimiz Irak halkini
>100 binlerce oldurdugu zaman hic boyle tepkiler gostermediniz.

Amerika bizim degil herkesin efendisi. Bu dunyada, elinde guc olan,  
herkesin efendisi. Bosna'nin da, Iran'in da, Kuveyt'in de, Somali'nin
de, Turkiye'nin de, Sovyetler'in de.

Bu dunyada duzen boyle. Buyuk balik kucugu yutar. Sizin gibilerden
kurtulursak biz de buyuyecegiz. 
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Netteki herkesten bir rica
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:54:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Netteki herkesten ricam, an6147@... uyduruk adiyla yazan ve yazabilecek
mahlukata kar$i protesto bakimindan a$agida mail adresini verecegim
ki$iye birer uyari mesaji yazmanizdir. 

Anladigim kadariyla bu (a$agida adresini verdigim) adamin 
kurdugu servisi kotuye kullanarak nereye
gondereceklerini bilmedigi pisliklerini oraya buraya doken hilkat
garibelerine kar$i bir$eyler yapilmasi gerekir. Yoksa S.C.T bu gidi$le
copluge donecek.

Mail:  julf@penet.fi

Johan Helsingius  Kuusikallionkuja 3 B 25 02210  Espoo Finland

Fax   +358 013900166


Saygidan anlayan herkese saygilar
Beytullah
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From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Ugur Mumcu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:40:10 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:00:09 GMT

"Well, if you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what *___can*
you believe?!"
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From: dagtas@woodling.ecn.purdue.edu (Serhan Dagtas)
Subject: CUMHURBASKANI OZAL'IN CHICAGO ZIYARETI - SON
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:08:12 GMT


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Bilindigi gibi, daha onceki iki mesajimizda, Cumhurbaskani Ozal'in
Chicago ziyaretiyle ilgili bazi duyurular yapmis, bu firsatin
degerlendirilerek Bosna konusunda sesimizi duyurmak icin de bir
seyler yapilabileceginden bahsetmis, son olarak da bu hususta
arkadaslarin fikir ve yardimlarini istemistik.

Uzulerek belirteyim ki "ayrintili bilgi" isteyen bir mail disinda
bu konuda hicbir ilgi, destek veya yardim haberi alamadik."Boyle
bir sey yapilmasin" diyen bile cikmadi. Sizleri bilmem ama, benim
artik Bosna haberlerini okuyacak halim kalmadi. Bu boyle iken (fay-
dasiz ve gereksiz bulunsa bile) bir meseleye bu kadar ilgisiz ka-
linmasi bizi son derece uzmustur.
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Bu konudaki son mesajimizda, en son gelismeleri aktarmak istiyorum:

1- Chicago'daki "Bosnian American Cultural Association" ile 
   baglanti kurup yapilacak "rally" icin onlarin da destegini 
   istedik. Sagolsunlar, bu ricamizi (daha soyler soylemez!) 
   kabul ettiler ve bize destek sozu verdiler. Ayrica, mesele-
   nin "musaade alma" gibi hukuki islerini de onlar hallediyorlar.

2- ONEMLI:
   Konusmayi organize eden "The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations"
   ile bugun yaptigimiz gorusmede, konusma oncesinde de alinabilecek
   biletlerden ellerinde az kaldigini ogrendik. Bunun icin yapilabi-
   lecek sey, (telefonla rezervasyon yapilamadigi icin) verilen adre-
   se bilet ucretini bir cekle gonderip, bileti konusma oncesinde 
   salon girisinde almak. Kimin adina ucreti odediginizi bir not yaza-
   rak belirtebilirsiniz.(Bilet ucreti kisi basina $17'dir) 
   Adres ve Telefon No:
    The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations
    116 S. Michigan Avenue
    Chicago, Illinois 60603-0087
    Tel: (312) 726-3860

3- Daha once de belirttigimiz gibi, konusmanin ve yapilacak 
   "demonstration"in yeri ve zamani asagidadir:

   Yer   :     Chicago Fairmont Oteli
   Zaman :     1 Subat 1993 Pazartesi
               Demonstration               : 3:00pm - 5:30pm
                  (Otelin girisinde veya lobisinde olacak)
               Cumhurbaskani'nin Konusmasi : 5:30pm - 6:30pm

   Konusmaya katilmak istemeyenler, en azindan "demonstration"a 
   katilabilirler.
   
  Biz, West Lafayette'ten 5 kisi orada olacagiz.
  Ellerimizde  Turkiye ve Bosna bayraklari olacaktir.
  Herkesle Fairmont Oteli'nde bulusmak dilegiyle...

  BAYRAGINIZI ALIP GELIN!...

Serhan Dagtas
Sekreter, Turk Ogrenci Dernegi
Purdue University
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
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Subject: UPDATE: Ugur Mumcu
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:03:28 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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1/24/93 Updated : Turkish Journalist Killed Ugur Mumcu

   ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A prominent left-wing journalist
was killed when a bomb planted under his car exploded
Sunday. Turkey's prime minister pledged that the killers
would be brought to justice.
   Ugur Mumcu, 50, a columnist for the Istanbul newspaper
Cumhuriyet, had been an outspoken critic of Islamic
fundamentalism and Kurdish separatism. Islamic Jihad and two
other Islamic groups that had never been heard of previously
claimed responsibility for the assassination.
   Mumcu, a vigorous defender of secularism in Turkey, had
reported receiving death threats from extremist Islamic
groups.
   He died instantly when the bomb exploded as he started
his car outside his apartment. The Anatolia news agency
quoted officials as saying the bomb was planted under the
car.
   Premier Suleyman Demirel and several Cabinet members went
to Mumcu's house to express their sympathy to his wife. "The
killers will be found," Demirel said.
   The first responsibility claim came from a group calling
itself Islamic Salvation in anonymous telephone calls to
newspapers.
   Anatolia's Istanbul office said it also received a call
from a group calling itself Islamic Great East Raiders
Front.
   Almost six hours after the attack, another anonymous
caller to the Mumcu's newspaper said Islamic Jihad was
responsible, Anatolia reported. Islamic Jihad has claimed
responsibility for terrorist actions in Turkey in the past.
   Demirel's government is under fire for failing to catch
the killers of other leading figures, including another
journalist and two professors who were slain in the past
three years.
   The government has also said it has made little progress
in bringing to justice the killers of 12 pro-Kurdish
journalists. Kurdish Muslim extremists were blamed for those
killings.
   Mumcu gained international fame for his books on the
attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in May 1981 by
the right-wing Turkish terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.
   Tracing Agca's moves in Turkey and in Europe before the
shooting, Mumcu exposed his links with Bulgarian arms
smugglers.
   Mumco also was an expert on international arms and drug
trafficking and terrorism.
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From: d91-muk@nada.kth.se (Murat Kayihan)
Subject: RE: HIRSIZ CUMHURBASKANI OZAL CHICAGO'DA
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:30:32 GMT

 Kaya T Guralp'a karsilik.

 

|> 1980 oncesi , konular komik olmaya basladi.

 Ozamanlari yasayan biri icin hic de komik degil.

 "Zararin neresinden donersen kardir" diye bir soz
var bilirmisin?
 
Ozal'in verdigi "zarar" getirdigi yeniliklerin yaninda hic
kaliyor.

|> Eminim abisi Korkut Ozal'in petro dolarlara konmasi, Efe Ozal'in
|> Bilkent'te okurken kirmizi BMW'sini degistirip, yesil 7.35 BMW'ya
|> binmesi, Davulcu damat'in Jaguar ismarlamasi gibi olaylari
|> gormemezlikten gelmeyelim.

 Gormemezlikten geldigim yok ama  dikatini cekerim suclanan Ozal
digerleri degil. Mesela bir dukkan sorumlusunu ele alalim. 
Oraya yetiskin arkadaslari gelip calmaya baslasalar suclu dukkan
sorumlusu mu olur yoksa calan yetiskinler mi? Pek parlak bir ornek
olmadi ama umarim demek istedigimi anlamissinizdir.
 
 Yiyiciler her zaman icin kalacaklardir. Dunyadaki tum yolsuzluklar
bitmis ve sadece zenginlerin yaptiklari kalmis gibi yaziyorsunuz.
Bugun Turkiye'de rusvet vermeden bir devlet memuruna isini bile 
yaptiramiyorsun! Isvec demokrasinin en cok ilerledigi ulkelerden
sayilir ama gecenki devalvasyonda bir bakan (zengin biri) 70 miljon
kron ~ 100 miljar lira civarinda bir kazanc sagladi. Devalvasyon 
kararini verenlerin arasindaydi.  Bu olay Isvec'te oldu Turkiye'de
daha beterinin olmasi cok dogal.

|> Bir devlet adami, hic bir zaman kimi temsil ettigini unutmamali ve
|> ona gore davranmali.

 Benim bildigim kadariyla demokrasi olan bir devlette kararlari
veren cumhur baskani degil iktidarda olan partidir. Iktidarda olan
partiyi cogunluk secer.

|>  Ozal kesinlikle beni temsil etmiyor.

 Siz azinliktan biri iseniz ben neyapayim?

 Hem Ozal'in sizi temsil etmemesi Hac'a gitmis bulunmasi olmasin?

Murat
 
 Bu konu gorundu kadariyla sadece ikimizi ilgilendiriyor. Nete yazip
baskalarini rahatsiz etmektense lutfen benim kendi kontoma yazin.

  d91-muk@nada.kth.se
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From: an6698@anon.penet.fi (DANBALA)
Subject: anon. server
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:21:54 GMT


	Arkadaslar , aramizdaki bazilarina anonymous serverlardan posting yapanlar cesaretsiz , kisiliksiz vs. gozukebilir . Bu dusuncesiz "erkek adam" arkadaslara anon. serverlarda ID'si olan cogu insanin bu ayricaligi soc.culture.turkish de Hakki Kocabas adli 
sahsa kufur etmek icin kullanmadigina dikkat cekerim . Ben butun newsgroup'larla olan mesaj alisverisimi (buna commercial databaseler dahil) anon serverlar uzerinden yurutuyorum . 
	Anonymous postingleri ve penet.fi'den gelen mesajlari screenlemek hicbirseye cozum degil . Eger sansurde kararliysaniz o zaman icinde kufur barindiran mesajlari silmek yeterli olacaktir . Bunu otomatiklestirecek bir suzgec programi yazma becerisinden 
yoksun "group administrator"lar icin boyle bir programi yazip gonderebilirim .
	Bu konudaki hislerimi commercial databaselere uye olup ev adresine tonlarca junk mail gelenler eminim anlayacaklardir .
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