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From: conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:56:24 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <-1367557068snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>In article <Bvn03E.4Dx@stonehenge.wltshr.uk> itu73@stonehenge writes:
> > followed by the highest form of life, rocks.  You may laugh,  but
> > you  must understand that rocks are the physical manifestation in
> > our plane of existence of what most people  consider  disembodied
> > spirits.   Can't  you  all  see  that?   When we, as humans, die,
> > depending upon whether we have we have  correctly  prepared  our-
> > selves,  we  ascend  to  the next plane, leaving our mark in this
> > world as Rocks, or we are forced to endure the lives of those  we
> > have tormented or wronged, possibly in many bodies.
>
>Yes, I do agree entirely with this idea, especially since rocks are of
>the Mother. But some rocks, not just rocks but places, also emanate a
>powerful and tangible children's spiritual presence. Walking into such
>places is a similar experience to entering a first class Daycare centre
>and have all the children at once run up laughing and chattering to
>greet you.
>

Yes, rock outcroppings have so many different personalities.  They can be
majestic, and/or watchful (friendly *or* unfriendly), and/or nurturing,
and/or childlike.  We have lots of really great rock outcroppings here
in the Sierras -- I *love* it when I walk near them and feel the good
feelings from them.  Some you can even feel from inside a moving car!
I've been to one place, though, where the rocks were angry and upset
and on the next hill they were happy and nurturing.  It was clear to me
that the angry rocks were angry at humans.  I wonder what happened there.

Gil -- what's that big Australian rock-mountain, sorta brick-colored,
called?  It's fantastic.  I can just *feel* the wonderful majesty and
nurturing power coming from just a video tape of it!

Near Atlanta, Georgia there's a big granite dome called Stone Mountain.
It's been carved up (a large relief of Southern Civil War generals on
horseback) and there's a ski trolley that goes up to the top.
Also the KKK used to meet (still meets?) there.  The whole feeling is
that of injury and sadness.  It was a place that the Cherokee felt had
a lot of power -- it's still there, but there's so much injury it's
really hidden now.

I'm sure glad that Yosemite was far enough away from "civilization" and
hard enough to get to that they didn't carve up Half Dome or El Capitan.
I bet they would have, if Yosemite had been 20 miles from San Francisco.
Already, though, those domes are hiding their personalities from people.
I think they are in human overload.  I'm going to take Paul Harvey's
advice and visit them in winter and see if they come out of their
"shells".


Coni B.
conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (until 16. October 1992)
conib@igc.org (thereafter)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:22:06 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <1992Oct5.170017.21459@nas.nasa.gov> storm@smaug.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Storm) writes:
>Re: what's everybody else's?
>
>9/21/51 8:33 AM Memphis Tennessee.  Close enough to the equinox to
>make Sabbat celebrations my birthday parties, too.
>
>-storm
>
Far out! Now I don't (quite) feel like the Ancient of Days (but then dragons
*are* supposed to be....(B-)} ).

	2/6/49, around 7:23 EST, Phila, PA (West Philly, to be exacter...)

	mark, the Silverdragon
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Ceremony Suggestions?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:14:05 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> In article <1992Oct9.183542.22191@doug.cae.wisc.edu> christin@cae.wisc.edu (C
> >
> >I beg to differ on this point!  Circumcisions are done to AVOID 
> >infections - which are quite common since bacteria can gather
> >in the folds and cause very painful infections.  In face, a couple
> >of my friends who were not cirucumcized at birth, had to be
> >as adults due to infections -- and I can guarantee that it was NOT
> >an enjoyable experience as you can imagine.  Save your son *a lot*
> >of pain and possible complications later in his life -- get him
> >circumcized now, while he still won't be able to remember the pain!
> 
>  We live in a culture that has a normal practice of bathing on a
> semi-daily basis. As many doctors have publically pointed out in the last
> decade or so, as long as men make sure to wash themselves including said
> folds above, then there is no reason to be circumcized. There are also
> indicators that I have read that people who have been circumcized may have
> a higher chance of cancer in that area as well as a possible loss of
> sensation sexually.
> 
> Wassail,
> Grendel
> 
>                            mimir@u.washington.edu
>     /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
>    /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
>   /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
>  /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
>     /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
>    /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
>                  +----------------------------------------+
> 
> 

 
I understand that during Desert Storm, American GIs that were not 
circumsized had problems with infections and discomfort from the fine 
desert sand that is unavoidable inthat part of the world.  Since water 
was an is precious in many parts of the desert world, perhaps 
circumcision originally had a very pragmatic reason originally in the 
middle east wher that practice seems to have originated?.
(Sorry about my fractured grammar.  Stream of thought, you know.)

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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: that quote about "foul enough for a witch to burn in."
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:15:27 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <BvrG8C.rM@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack
Campin) writes:

>the use of "faggot" to mean "homosexual" is a modern US usage.  It is
>not recorded from the time of the witch-burnings, or from any place where
>gays were ever burned until the last few decades (and then only by people
>imitating American TV characters; it has not entered general use in any UK
>dialect).

Which reminds me of the story about a British rock band (forget who)
playing in the USA in a bar which, unbeknown to them, had a
predominantly gay clientele. Desiring some cigarettes, the lead singer
yelled over to the bar staff "Hey love, got any fags here?". This went
down like a lead balloon... 

Britain and the US: two cultures separated by a common language <grin>

--
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From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: pagan events calendar
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 06:02:57 PDT
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:09:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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>Article #20709 (20746 is last):
>From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
>Newsgroups: alt.pagan
>Subject: Amazon warriors
>Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
>Date: Tue Oct 13 15:31:17 1992
>
>
>I've gotten into a discussion on another news group about
>women in warfare.  During that discussion, I brought
>up the Amazons as a case for warrior women in the earlier
>part of our history.  A respondant mentioned that since there
>was hardly any evidence that they ever existed, I should stick
>to modern examples.
>
>This person may have a point.  I would argue about sticking
>to modern examples, but I am open to any information any of you
>out there might have evidence-wise on the existence of Amazon
>warriors.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>

   Can't say as I've heard that much about the Amazons, aside from 
Herodotus' account of a tribe of women who lost their men in war and 
preferred to live on their own rather than become slaves of the conquerors. 
What I HAVE heard, however, was that the African kingdom of Abomey had a 
coterie of female warriors for which there is genuine evidence. They were 
called the ahosi, and they were, if I recall correctly, the bodyguards and 
'brides' of the king, who never touched them. I could go look 'em up, if 
you wanted. I've also read a couple of short stories about one of them- 
modern-day short stories, but the guy who wrote them did all his historical 
research and is probably accurate. His name was Charles Saunders (I think). 
I can't remember his ahosi's name, only that her mount was a trained war- 
bull named Gbo. Hope that helps.
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 06:33:39 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I just saw an episode of the Maury Povich Show (amazing what you'll watch when
insomnia strikes :))  that should be broadcast today or tomorrow. (we have a
dish) The guests were the twins who played Tabitha on Bewitched. The show
wasn't much, but at the end it was mentioned that a "reunion show" was in the
planning, with the hope that it would result in another series.

Does anyone know who owns the rights to the old show? Who I might write to to
express my concerns about the content of the proposed series?

Although I have a certain fondness for this old TV show, it's mostly from
nostalgia. On the rare occasions that I've seen the show recently, it's atually
been quite annoying to me the way we come off.

I'd like to be able to write the makers of the new show, and point out that
there _are_ witches out here, and that we expect the same sort of consideration
that they would display if the show were, say, about a mixed couple of another
sort.

' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
 
Bright Blessings to you and yours!  
 
Hawk
 
Circle of Ashtoreth, 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:55:06 GMT

Janis,
Sorry! I guess your doctoral program didn't require you to take the Myers-
Briggs test; some do. I guess they want to make sure you won't off your
advisors when they ask for that 237th version of chapter 7...<g>

It's a personality test, I guess. I'll leave it to others who know more
about it to describe it, but if you'd like to take a "short" version of
it, check out David Keirsey and Marilyn Bates, Please Understand Me:
Character and Temperament Types, Del Mar, CA: Prometheus Nemesis Book
Company,1978 (there have been later editions with other publishers, but
this one seems to be the most available one.) The ISBN number is 
0-9606954-0-0  (no, it's not a personality type, just the International
Standard Book Number <g>)

By the way, I've taken BOTH the long and short versions, and they came
out the same, so I have no qualms about recommending the short version.
The book also has all those neat little chapters telling about the different
types under various circumstances -- what kids are like, finding SO's, 
the different types as bosses, etc. Interesting reading.

Have you tried Valhrona bittersweet chocolate yet? Williams Sonoma has
it....

--Debbie

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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth Data (Was Re: a nice experience)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 14:41:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, acarr@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr) says:
>
>Since sending in birth data seems to be a way of making an offering of  
>self, I include mine:
>   April 22, 1955, 10:02 am.  Sun, Moon and Mercury closely conjunct in  
>Taurus, Cancer rising, Water trine with Jupiter & Uranus conjunct in  
>Canter, Saturn in Scoprio and Venus in Pisces.  
>
>   Are the astrologers among us keeping track of these things (I didn't  
>think to save everything at the beginning of the thread...)?   Are we  
>looking for (or finding) astral twins?  I'd be interested if anybody has  
>been able to make generalizations about the astrological configurations of  
>this group.
>Blessings,
>Amelia

I just joined this thread so I don't know what is going on, but I thought 
I would post my info.  All I know is that I am Virgo, I was born on a Friday,
and the following:

26 August 1955
3:55 pm
39 45 32 N
84 11 30 W

*Paul

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: I feel lousy about the shells now . . .
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:45:07 GMT

I always assumed they found the things after the animals died and just
cleaned them up a bit.  However, I checked a couple of seashell encyclo-
pedias out of the library here to identify my shells, and got a rather
unpleasant surprise.  Okay, so I was pitifully naive and stupid.

In the section on cleaning, they instruct you on how to use a crochet
hook to dig the animal out of the shell and then throw it out.  I still
love the shells I have, but I was really surprised and depressed when I
found out that they do basically the same thing to the molluscs that
they do to chinchillas and minks -- rip their outsides off and show them
off. 

I'm going to keep the shells I have, and if I find any that aren't being
lived in, I'm going to grab them, but I think I'm not going to BUY any
more of them.  Looks like it's mineral time.

I'm pissed, too.  I really love the goddamned things.  They really are
gorgeous.  And they gouge the poor things right out of them, just rip
them out and throw them away like trash.  I've gotten slapped in the
face with reality, and you who are familiar with shell collecting and
probably smirking.

Oh, well.  I guess I needed a little reality injection.  I'd better
start saving up; shells are OUT, so I think I'm going to start on
minerals.

Blessings,
Janis  



Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:16:13 GMT


In article <2AD52B6E.12127@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> As gorgeous as human-made sculptures are, I just can't imagine that
> anything could be as beautiful, for sheer balance, gentle curvature,
> robustness of materials, and tactile pleasure, than your average spiral
> shell.  NOTHING is that beautiful.  Nothing.

Well, I'd argue about that . . . :-)  (WARNING:  The following is written
from a specific gender and preference point of view.  Proper interpretation
may require substitutions to fit other perspectives.  You have been
warned!)  I've seen some incredibly beautiful creatures;  the ones that
tend to be the most appealing to me are generally female humans (one
of MY great tactile pleasures!).

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <2AD459AC.25333@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
>  boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
> >
> >Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
> >with a big red cross, reading:
> >
> >	Are you ready for the rapture?
> >
> >	Jesus is coming
> >
> >	October 28, 1992
> 
> I'm dying to go up to one of those rapture nuts and say, "Oh, I can take
> care of your bank account if you won't be needing it . . . "  How about,
> "Here, let me take care of those credit cards for you."  Stupidity can
> be a mineable resource sometimes.  

*chuckle*  Hmm . . . hadn't thought of that one!

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:47:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>>mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:
>>
>>>I'm INTP (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving) but so far
>>>Myer-Briggs doesn't seem particularly correlated with paganism--I don't 
>>>think I've seen two codes the same--except for the Introvert part.

>Okay, for the last week or so, people have been saying things like, 
>"I'm . . . " followed by a string of letters.

>WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!?!

>Thanks you in advance,
>Janis the Bemused

The Myer-Briggs Type Indicator is a personality classification system based on
the four Jungian "types" (Thinking/Feeling and Sensation/Intuition) plus
Introversion/Extroversion.  The Perception/Judgement preference shows which
type pairing is how you deal with the *outer* world.  (Introverts deal with the
*outer* world with their *secondary* type, using the primary type in the 
internal world.  Extroverts don't have the same focus on the internal world, so
they don't have the same struggle.)

This help?


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:34:07 GMT

In article <9kDNsB2w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala> clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala!melchar writes:
>> 
>> Is it me, or is everybody cracking the one-liners nowadays?
>> 
>> Big Al.  Who never writes anything funny.
>
>    No, it requires an official 'pun license' to crack one-liners here.  
>After all, you can't joke without a license ('use a pun, go to prison').

I think that's 'use a pun go to the punitentiary'. I know this is rather
punctilious of me, but I couldn't resist taking punitive action. Though
some of my remarks get rather pungent, just think of me as another pundit.

Bb,

Corun (who's sorry for inflicting the punishment) <grin>



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From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Subject: Update on Binding
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:22:23 GMT

Many thanks to the folks who posted both on the Net and through E-mail
concerning my difficulty with a binding.  I think I've thanked everyone
personally (Cormac, a note to you is screwed up in the system somehow--
the postmaster says it has been undeliverable for several days) and if I
did miss anyone, please accept my sincere thanks now.

After considering the advice and comments I received and doing some serious
thinking of my own, I've come to two likely conclusions. (1) The Goddess
was basically trying to tell me that I'm not responsible and at the same
time trying to tell my friend not to depend on others for protection.  That
seems to be a fairly sensible posibility.  My Tarot cards have been throwing
out hints for quite some time that I need to spend less energy on taking care
of others and more time working on myself.  When I've read my friend's cards,
they have seemed to indicate a definite need for her to take more
responsibility for her own wellbeing.  I also tend to be the type that doesn't
pay alot of attention to hints so maybe I needed something to shake me up a
bit. (This definitely did that)
On the other hand (2) it could well be that the spell really did work . . .
but simply didn't work in a way that I recognized immediately. We did manage
to get the spray paint off the car.  (Bug and Tar remover with a lot of rubbing
and buffing)  The culprit is beginning to get a bad reputation at work for
exhibiting poor judgement and childish reactions to normal work environment
problems.  The culprit has *not* taken any action against my friend since the
car incident.  To top it all off there is a very good posibility (99% according
to the culprit's supervisor) that her government contract for employment will
not be renewed when it is up in December.
Of course there are no doubt endless possibilities that I haven't considered,
but these two make sense with what I know about the situation.

So far no one has really been harmed. . . things really seem to be calming down
and I've benefited tremendously from the advice of people on the Net.

Once again I'd like to thank you all for the concern and the information you
have shared with me.  I sincerely appreciate both.

Blessings to you all and much love,

 Nancy

///////////////////////////////
Nancy Josephine Proctor . . . . PA142138@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."
                                 Eugene Ionesco

////////////////////////////// . . .

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From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:27:14 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bw6J64.IJ@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>But which is mightier? The pun or the sword?
>
>"Never give a sword to a man who cannot dance." -- Celtic Proverb
>--Brad

It depends on how fast the punster can run.

	mark, the puntific

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