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From: cixc0000@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Karyn Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Actual team names
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:41:44 GMT
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skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
: cixc0000@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Karyn Nelson) writes:
: 
: >Likewise, over at the piggery, Celtic were formed in 1888 as Celtic
: 
: normally this sort of bluenose sectarianism might go ignored, but as
: you are posting about the correctness of names, we are entitled to ask
: just what are referring to as 'the piggery'?

Therefore I am entitled to ask how commenting on the state of a
football team's "stadium" is sectarianism.  If you have not gathered 
by now, I was refering to Celtic Park as the piggery.
Furthermore, if Celtic do not get a new stadium soon they will be
playing to crowds of 9000 as that is all the seats they have (source
Rothman's Football Yearbook 1992-93).
On second thoughts, that should be ample for all but Rangers games
and European soirees.

McEwan's Lager - Gid enuff fur yi.
From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness Gets Vote
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:57:49 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

In article <1992Oct1.215553.13948@news.nd.edu> ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.143122.24121@syma.sussex.ac.uk> mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin) writes:
>>Right, everybody is tipping Hansen now, so it's time to be different
>>again.
>>
>>	What about Kevin Keegan!
>>
>>Positive points:
>>He's doing a great job at Newcastle...
>>He has a perm (a la Souness)...
>>He's done great things at Liverpool before (got sold so they bought Kenny)...
>>
>>I think its 50/50 between him and Hansen;-)
>
>I would like if someone could post nuts and bolts information about money.
>As I see it, if Liverpool employ a manager such as Keegan it may be obligated
>to pay 3 managers for a while.  I.e, it may have to pay Souness if he
>is sacked, it may have to compensate Newcastle for Keegan's contract, and
>pay him too.  Of the various options someone who is at present in the
>club would seem most likely.  I wouldn't be surprised if Souness was let
>go and Moran appointed as an interim till the end of the season.  It may
>be best to give Graham another month or two to see if he can turn it
>around, but if Liverpool reach a relegation spot and don't look like 
>slimbing out of it, it may become imperative to terminate him.

Let's just clear this up once and for all for any more optimistic
Liverpool fans out there. KEEGAN STAYS. End of story. He loves
Newcaslte United, the guy couldn't cojntain himself at his final game
for the club, and I totally agree with mphillip he turned down
numerous job offers, including two from Anfield. He is a god on
Tyneside, he cannot fail in th eyes of the fans, unlike the hyper
critical fans over in Merseyside who expect success and want to sack
the manager as soon as he loses a few games.

Colin Shiels
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Subject: Re: Actual Team Names
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:00:58 +0000







In message <1992Sep30.195002.7564@ucselx.sdsu.edu>
cixc0000@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Karyn Nelson) writes:

>OK once and for all here is the picture:
>Rangers were formed in 1873 as Rangers Football Club (RFC).

Almost, Rangers were formed in the summer of 1872 and played their first
game in the autumn, beating another Glasgow side, Oxford, 2-0. Why they chose
to celebrate their centenary in 1873 is a mystery to me.

>The word Glasgow does not appear in the name, although Rangers
>do play in the Govan district of Glasgow.  Sometimes, as a clarification,
>in European competition the club name is given as: Rangers (Glasgow) or
>Rangers (Scotland).  I prefer Rangers (Scotland).

>Likewise, over at the piggery, Celtic were formed in 1888 as Celtic
>Football and Athletic Coy.  The word Glasgow does not appear in their
>name either, although you can clarify it by writing Celtic (Glasgow)
>or Celtic (Scotland).

Likewise, over at the piggery, Celtic were formed in November 1887,
although their first match wasn't until May 1888 when they beat a team
called Rangers 5-2. What the Celtic history books won't tell you is that
the side put out by Rangers was not their first team, in fact none of the
players which appeared in that game played in the first team fixtures
immediately prior to that game.

>Glasgow Rangers makes as much sense as "London Arsenal" or "Roma Lazio"

>Please don't do it - it pisses off the fans of these clubs.

It does, but they'll keep doing it. I bet Internazionale fans are fed up
of their team being called Inter Milan ...

>McEwan's Lager - serve cold.

McEwan's Lager, chuck it out and buy something decent.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Gazza injures himself, again. :-(  (Re: Liverpool-Chesterfield)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:24:29 GMT

In article <12930@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>
>It was nice to watch Lazio-Genoa today and see some real passing soccer,
>but sad that Gazza went off injured.
>
>Tim

Unfortunate that Gazza got injured again after just seeing some Italian
league highlights. How did he injure himself this time? I hope it's not
serious.

We got to watch the Juventus-Roma match in the US since Sampdoria-Milan
was rained out. Just curious, what other matches was shown around the world
by RAI?

-Dave
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: APSL Championship Final
Date: 27 Sep 1992 21:33:49 -0500
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   Colorado Foxes               1:0            Tampa Bay Rowdies
     Chad Ashton   '34 (pen)

The match was much more defensive than both of these teams usually play,
but the Foxes defense, led by US National Team defender Marcelo Balboa,
along with Robin Fraser, Kim Roentved and Tom Soehn were too much in the
back for the usually high scoring Jean Harbour, who was the APSL's
leading goal scorer for the 1992 season.

Colorado's win gave them a unique ""triple" as they also won the APSL
regular season competition as well as the first Professional North
American Cup (the latter which they won only a week ago). Their record
in league and playoff competition (excluding the Pro North American Cup
competition) was 12 : 5. Tampa Bay's final record was 10 : 7.

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From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Enough Rangers Bashing
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:00:13 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <9210032329.AA07839@gatekeeper.hcc.com>, iam@rlmtc.ENET.hcc.com writes:

> Reports are rife here of an "incident" involving the president and well
> known hooligan element of the recently formed Brown University Rangers
> Supporters Club in a Boston Bar. Present was a former colleague of
> Sean Subterranean and fellow Celtic supporter. We feel that SMcK must come
> clean

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Dan
From: jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BIG, ENORMOUS, MUST BE WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:21:29 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Oct1.204143.11359@unislc.uucp>, ppj@unislc.uucp (Peter Jones) writes:

> There is NO doubt that the largest club in Britain has to be Man Utd. 
No, I think the largest club has to be the one which tapped you on the head
as a child, its the only explanation I can find for this drivel

> Yes, they have for the last umpteen years had the largest crowds, and
> Yes, they have by far the largest supported team all over the world, whether
> you are on the plains of Africa, or the woods of Alaska, soccer fans have
Doubtless there are tribes deep in the Amazon as yet undiscovered who have




heard of Man Utd, but that doesn't necessarily make them the biggest club
in the land.  Just because thousands of lemmings throw themselves off
cliffs regularly, it doesn't follow that throwing oneself off a cliff is
the greatest passtime in the world.  
> heard of , or support the incredible Man Utd. Rangers? who ?       


That a club can sustain itself for 25 years on the back of a European Cup
win and a couple of FA cup wins is self-delusion to the highest degree.
Celtic won the European Cup before Man U, and, apart from occasional
celebrations, I don't think the whole club is so dependent on this win for
the justification of it's existence.
Certainly its an incredibly vaccuous ploy to denigrate the Hun in order to
puff yourself up.  Put simply, Rangers have probably won more domestic honours
in the last decade than Man U have ever won, or are likely to win in the
future.  
For myself, it doesn't really matter to me whether the Mboko tribe of Outer
Swaziland have heard of George Graham or not, so long as the Arsenal win
the occasional league title.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (XXXXXXXXX) MIM FC was XXXXXXXXX
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:18:08 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Sean" == cbar26  (cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk)

Sean> Mystery surrounds the finding of some dope on a MIM FC bus in
Sean> Denmark. Nobody would claim responsibility, however the whole
Sean> squad returned to Scotland safely. Ouch!

A bag with 40 kg of hashish was found in a bus entering Denmark from
Germany carrying XXXXXXXX supporters. The supporters denied all
knowledge of the bag, and it's possible that is was placed on the bus
by someone unrelated to them, hoping to get it back later. Would be a
quite obvious smuggling tactic.

Anyway, the Police held back the bus while thinking the situations
over and finally decided to let the bus pass, sans hashish.
Incidentally, this decision was reached just as the game in
Copenhagen was finished.

/Lars
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From: csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (DIBBLE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reading FC really are the best
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:06:58 GMT
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK

In article <92269.112841KSNIDVON@ESOC.BITNET> <KSNIDVON@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>consider the facts-
>
>- Reading have a 100% record at Wembley.
That's because they have only been twice haven't they?

>-Reading have never scored less than 4 goals in a Wembley final
That's due to the above.

>
>- Reading have never lost a Simod Cup match
>
>- Reading have never lost a First Division game
>
>- Reading have never lost to a foreign team in a competitive fixture
>
>- Reading have defeated merger bids by Robert Maxwell
>
>- Reading are far better supported than certain Premier League clubs,
>  e.g. Arsenal:
>
>  Arsenal:   Population 8 Million (London, approx)
>  Reading:   Population 200,000 (approx)
>  Arsenal:   Average home gate 35,000 (bit high)
>  Reading:   Average home gate 3,500 (very conservative)
>  Arsenal:   Loyal following 0.004375% of population
>  Reading:   Loyal following 0.0175% of population
>
>
>
>if any other RFC fans would like to add to this please feel free
>
>k
Well I feel that you are not very intelligent.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Some Serie A results, 10/4
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:56:49 GMT

Quick rundown on some of today's scores:

INTER 1 - Atalanta 0
Napoli 2 - Juventus 3
Calgiari 1 - Roma 0
Fiorentina (1) 3 - Milan (4) 7

I heard that Lazio were leading Parma 4-1 in the 1st half, and Signori
scored two goals in that game so far, the first one came from a pk
after a foul on Gazza.

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From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Subject: Re: net soccer
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:40:48 GMT

In article <12995@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>In <1992Oct2.042419.2093@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu writes:
>
>>Can anyone post/email information on play-by-email soccer games on the 
>>Internet?  I heard about some in discussions of an Australian-rules
>>version, but haven't seen anything here about them...
>
>The biggest and best is the EEFL, run by Bill "Prune" Wickart.  We've
>just started season 8, and the season runs for about 3-4 months.  There
>are getting on for 100 teams, from all over the world.  
>
>My team is Southampton Argyle, currently top of one of the two first
>divisions, looking for promotion into the Original.  Leagues are run
>with promotion and relegation, and a Cup.  Much better than any soccer
>game you can buy in a store!
>
>If anyone is interested, I can forward requests on to Bill.
>
>Tim

I would be interesed in joining the next "season". Thanks for any and
all information.

Dan Sammartino
		 
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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: Leo Rodriguez
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:43:49 GMT

In article <9209291313.AA20921@pippin.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
>
> [stuff deleted].
>
>Rodriguez's, Leo went to Bergame (I suppose Bergame, is Atalanta from 
>Bergamo), so now we want Marco itno this discusssion...

Here I am. Yes, Leo Rodriquez plays for Atalanta (of Bergamo), but hasn't
gotten much time on the field in these first few games, at least from
what I've heard from game reports...

Marco...
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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Subject: Re: My darling Liverpool..
Organization: University of Sussex
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:22:57 GMT

ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) writes:
: 
: I'm not a great fan, not even a fan actually, but definitely know how
: good they used to be. now, the morale in liverpool must be mighty low (?)
: 

	I read an interview with Souness in the Mail on Sunday (it
wasn't mine, honest!) where he said the team spirit at Anfield was
better than before because they lose more games now. Or did I
misunderstand it all? Anyway, when they reach Division 3 the team spirit
should be really up there!
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: French clubs in Europe (short note)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 08:00:47 -0500
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OM, Monaco and Auxerre are qualified for the second round.
PSG and Caen are playing tonight. So, I will post the details tomorrow.
(I'm writing everything in the same file and I don't want to repeat it,
 the Mailing List memebers got it directly)

Kent
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From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 1FC Ko"ln v. Celtic (Glasgow variety)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:35:11
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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In article <tebarth.718287679@test35> tebarth.bln@sni.de (Dominik Tebarth) writes:

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   chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter) writes:

   > For me it is still Celtic Glasgow. That's the name we are used to
   > for decades. Period!

>   No, Chris you are wrong. That's just the name, that thousands 
>   of ignorant german sport journalists always have used -
>   the same stupid bunch of guys who constantly tell us that away goals
>   in the EC do "count double" (which is , of course , rubbish).

>   The correct name is 

>   "Celtic" or "Glasgow Celtic".   ALL british or american club names
>   DO BEGIN begin with the city name. Vice versa: NEVER !

>   BTW:
>   it's "Liverpool FC" and it's NOT "FC Liverpool" !
   > Chris

   > --
   > //
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Good morning Mr.Tebarth. The matter is long settled, but maybe you
have a longer response time out in Berlin :-).
BTW you are the ignorant so called expert: It is 1.FC Cologne....Haha

I cannot stand idiots like you, who are only expressing there dislike
of other teams. Obviously you are too frustrated by your life, your
town your club whatsoever...Keep silent!

Chris

 
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From: ke@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer Referee group
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:38:54 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Sep24.172418.20609@cbfsb.cb.att.com> weisz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.weisz) writes:
>> I would be very interested in seeing a dedicated Referee's group started.
>> 
>I would be interested in a reffing group also.
>

I'm still for it.  I tried a long time ago - shortly after rss started up - and
it "died for lack of (sufficient) second."

keithe
From: ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Claudio Borghi (what happened to him?)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 00:22:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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	Just prior to the World Cup of '86, as a 12-year old, I remeber
watching the Toyota Super-Cup in Tokyo, which pitted Argentinos Juniors
against a European team that slips my mind...
	Anyway, one of the stars of that Argentinos side was a 20-21
year old player called Claudio Borghi, who played an outstanding match,
and who many tipped would become the next Maradona. Well, soon after
that, I heard that AC Milan had signed him. However, he never appeared
(to my limited knowledge) in the World Cup (as I didn't see all of
Argentina's matches). He also never appeared in AC Milan colours....
	So, can any clear soul enlighten me on his fate?

	Eu Hin Chua
From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rollover throwin legality query
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:05:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In my adult league here in Idaho we have a player that does the "rollover"
throwin ( a forward somersault ).  As the player adheres to the laws
of the game it can not be ruled illegal.  Both hands are used to throw
the ball in and both feet are on the ground at the time the throw in
occurs.  I am unaware of any law that would supercede this in the NCAA.

Dan "Sometime man-in-black" Sammartino
From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Real Madrid and Ivan Zamorano
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:38:51 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Real Madrid won 3-0 in the Spanish League over the weekend, and 4-0 in the
UEFA Cup. Anybody knows if my fellow Chilean Ivan Zamorano scored any of
those 7 goals? Just curious ......

Marcello.

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