HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bne@tecsrv12.teradata.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NexTSation for $3500
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:25:11 GMT
Reply-To: bne@tecsrv12.teradata.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: ATT/NCR Teradata Business Unit
Originator: bne@tecsrv12

Brand new NextStation for sale
Used for about 20hrs. 
My friend had bought one next and one sparc and later opted for the SUN
sparc.
Still in original box. Please make an offer.
The net will correct me if I am wrong but I think new ones go for about
$5000. 

Features:

High Resolution Monochrome screen (MegaPixel Display), 2 key mouseand keyboard.
High Density Floppy Drive, Hard Disk Drive ( 100M ).
2 SCSI ports
2 serial ports
DSP port
Printer port
Twisted-pair and thin wire Ethernet port.
All manuals that come with it.

It comes in three original boxes. Buyer pays shipping.
If mail in the .sig bounces (It does sometimes) please use
burzin@usc.edu


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Systems Test & Verification                     (310) 524 7513
Teradata Business Unit
From: cgb@count0.cmhnet.org (Charles G. Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Another memory vendor...
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:11:02 GMT
Reply-To: cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
Organization: BenaTong

I just found about another place to buy memory for the NeXT.
 It's called Total Micro Technology 1-800-899-2447  FAX 714 847 5043
The prices are  competitive with The Chip Merchant
and thay have the 8 and 16 Megs simms...

Ask for Russ Morgan, He knows about NeXT configurations.

Chuck Bennett

Disclaimer:  I'm not involved with these guys at all..Blah Blah Blah
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Palace Security (UNIX Consulting :-) )
cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
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From: rock@Armstrong.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: NeXTStation for sale
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:44:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA

I am posting this for a friend. Please reply to:
rockbox!bob@pirates.armstrong.edu

Monochrome NeXTstation for sale:
8MB RAM
400MB Hard drive
Developer's system
Developer's documentation set

WriteNow (the free version 1)
Illustrator
Improv

3 PostScript programming books
UNIX system manual


System was new in Oct '91. Used very little, works great.

Asking $4750 plus shipping.

Bob Rockefeller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
From: mjhostet@athena.mit.edu (Mat Hostetter)
Subject: Re: 68040 NeXTcube for sale - REDUCED PRICE!!!
Keywords: NeXT, cube
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:27:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.072903.8903@athena.mit.edu> mjhostet@athena.mit.edu (Mat  
Hostetter) writes:
> I'm getting a color NeXT, so my 24/105 68040 NeXTcube is for sale.
> 
> Features:
> 
> Cube:	- "modern" cube, *NOT* an upgraded 68030 cube
> 	- 24 megabytes of RAM, leaving 4 empty SIMM slots
> 	- great physical condition, no dings or scratches
> 	- 105 MB internal hard drive, 2.1 installed
> 	- empty slots for expansion
> 
> Monitor:
> 	- standard NeXT 17" grayscale monitor
> 	- bright, not fuzzy at all (thanks, BackSpace!)
> 
> Other stuff:
> 	keyboard, mouse, docs
> 
> 
> This cost me $6247.50 (MIT edu. price + tax), plus $675 for the 16MB
> of RAM I added...that's $6992.50 at student prices.
> 
> I'm asking $4600, buyer pays shipping.  If you live in or near Boston
> I'll deliver it for free.

OK, I'll settle for $3850.  And I'll throw in a portable CD player.  :-)

-Mat
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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:24:49 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Aug18.024359.2663@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> As if putting x's where the numbers used to be MAGICALLY transforms the posting
> from commercial to non-commercial.  Pardon me while I laugh!

Especially in the moderated group - where the hype level can be restrained.
Allow prices - they are an important part of the message.

If people are so upset about seeing prices then maybe
they should be rot-13 (1/2 :)

or could follow at the end after ^L

I know this doesnt really solve the dilemna,
but there has to be a reasonable policy that 
would allow new product announcements to carry 
price info in csn.announce

(no announcements where only the price changed etc)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Mesa --- lack of database functionality
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.135821.13185@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com writes:
>OK, this is scary.  The WHOLE REASON I was going to buy Mesa was (aside 
>from the great edu price) was MOLI (Mesa Object Library Interface).  My 
>impression was that this was a real OO (not just c calls like Improv!)
>interface to the app.  So what's the deal ?!?!?

Check out their Demo on the archives er, /pub/next/2.0-release/demos/Mesa*
(sonata.cc.purdue.edu) it is the entire package with the some demos limitations
they have the OO interface, and examples on how to use it!

Take a peek,
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::"He said he'd make me elite for $5...I think he wanted a sub or somethin'"::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:27:55 GMT

gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:

>So is it:

>	1) Commercial announcements should be in c.s.n.a
>		(moderator does appropriate thing with prices)?

>	2) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
>		(with prices)?

>	3) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
>		(without prices)?

>Does anyone have a definitive answer?  Without opinion or speculation
>preferably.

1.

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From: c152-cp@dv349-1a.berkeley.edu (Class Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Nextstation for sale
Keywords: nextstation sale
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:43:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: dv349-1a.berkeley.edu

NeXTstation for sale
====================
25mhz 68040 NeXTstation (at least as fast as the Mac Quadra 700 or 900)
8meg RAM
105 harddisk
Internal 2.88meg harddisk 
System 2.1 Software
Mouse, keybaord, monitor
(mint condition, original boxes)

Asking for $2800 (slightly negotiable)

If interested, please call me.  By the way, I will deliver it personally for
a buyer that lives in the Bay Area.

Johnson Sieu
c152-cp@web.berkeley.edu
510-215-8314
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
From: doberman!mike (Mike Panzitta)
Subject: Hard Drive For Sale
Reply-To: doberman!mike@esunix.sim.es.com
Organization: Doberman Systems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:23:18 GMT

For sale:

200mb Quantum hard drive. 1.5 years old. Out of NeXTstation.
Mathematica 2.0. Opened, but ready to install.

Make offer. Will trade both for bigger SCSI hard drive that will fit in a  
NeXTstation.

Reply to: uunet!magnusson!janus (not to the person who posted this)
Kris Magnusson 801/355-6351

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: Joseph R. Grace <jgrace@TetraSoft.com>
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Organization: TetraSoft International
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:32:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.142957.9367@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S.  
Sears) writes:
>  Personally, I like the pricing info.  But, I don't want to see Usenet turn  
>  into an advertising medium, so I support the policy....
>  
>  --
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>  The University of Houston    *  suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT
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>  "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."

The policy is misguided.  I think pricing information is part of product
information and should not be left out of Public Relations releases.  We
should limit ourselves (Usenet) to PR release type information but include
pricing.  MSDOS for $300 is a far different product than 1-2-3 (or whatever)
for $30.  The pricing is part of the product, whether some Usenet policy maker
wants it to be or not.

Let's include pricing, and not hobble our communications medium.  However,
let's restrict ourselves to PR type information (just the facts m'am.).

= Joe =
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From: midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas Schwarz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NeXTStation $2900 NeXTlaser $1000
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:03:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

For sale:

	NeXTstation 8MB RAM / 105 MB hard disk
		MegaPixel display
		Release 2.1
		Cables
		Various software (minimal)
			Age = 14 months
	NeXTlaser 300/400 dpi laser printer
		9 months old - under warranty for 3 more
No problems with either - uprgrading to color slab.

First offer of $2900 for NeXTstation or $1000 for NeXTlaser
plus shipping costs.

Call 612-822-1604 for further info or email me at
midiapolis@cup.portal.comp

Gerard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Subject: Re: Mesa --- lack of database functionality
Reply-To: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Organization: Athena Design, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:39:53 GMT

In comp.sys.next.marketplace article <1992Aug20.172624.689@prim> you  
wrote:
> 
> [Soapbox on]
> 
> Their API doesn't support this? It should! (Take a look at Improv's API  
-
> beautiful). Not nearly enough attention is being paid to the possibility  
of
> running apps on the NeXT in any way other than through the GUI.
> 
> [Soapbox off]
> 
> Dave Griffiths

Our API or Object Library is object based, rather than being function  
based, like Improv's.  It was designed so custom NeXTSTEP applications can  
access data in the spreadsheet.  This is what most of our customers  
wanted.  I will explore the ability to run objects that link into the  
worksheet from the command line.

For those of you who have not seen the API demo, it comes with the demo  
version of Mesa that is on the archives.  It has been called "really  
elegant" by folks at NeXT.

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: grio@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Daniel L Grillo)
Subject: '040 cube board wanted
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Makemail: v1.11 + MMDF mods
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:46:26 GMT


I am looking for a used '040 25MHz cube board.


			--Dan
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From: goldly@u.washington.edu (Lloyd P. Goldwasser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Simms for sale
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Four 1-MB 100ns simms from a monochrome NeXT (non-Turbo) cube;
asking $100 plus shipping.

Lloyd Goldwasser
goldly@u.washington.edu

* - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - * - - - *
*    If it is appropriate for M Carling to broadcast inflammatory       *
*          statements under the pretense that they are a signature,     *
*    while insisting that others keep political discussion              *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Modems for sale - Neuron, Intel, Abaton
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.040057.1259@wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley)  
writes:
> 1) Neuron 9600 Fax/Modem. Includes a copy of Marble Teleconnect. I'll  
> make sure that you get the current version (I believe they just updated  
> it). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $400
> 
Be aware that you'll have to *pay* for that update. The Teleconnect that  
was originally shipped by Neuron is *not* upgradable to newer releases.  
You have to buy it. And the original one ONLY runs on Neuron 96+ modems,  
not even the 1414. When we received our 1414's (because the 96+'s never  
worked) we had to go out and buy Teleconnect. Just another handy little  
thing those Neuron folks did...

Gordon

P.S. The Marble people are great and Teleconnect is worth every penny.
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:43:59 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.142957.9367@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S.  
Sears) writes:
> In article <QDd-wjC@engin.umich.edu> zmonster@engin.umich.edu (Eric  
Hermanson)  
> writes:
> =>In article <1992Aug16.212601.12695@proponent.com> Monty Solomon  
> <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
> =>>In article <1992Aug15.162759.9627@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)  
> writes:
> =>>> suggested list price of $xx.  The educational edition contains
> =>>> 
> =>>> from NeXTConnection and authorized NeXT re-sellers.  It has a
> =>>> suggested retail price of $xx.
> =>>
> =>>It is extremely annoying that press releases posted to the NeXT groups  
have  
> had  
> =>>their price information removed.
> =>>
> =>>Who has implemented this practice and why?
> =>>
> =>>Press releases posted to other groups routinely include price information.
> =>>
> =>>Please stop this annoying practice.
> =>>
> =>     
> =>t
> =>
> =>My sentiments exactly.  What good does this do anyone?                    
> =>
> =>Eric Hermanson
> =>
> 
> Because it against Usenet policy (Check into the postings in  
> news.announce.newusers).  This has to do with the "non-commerical" use of the  
> Internet and the funding by the NSF.  There have been a few vendors here  
> recently who have been providing price information which is, by the standards  
> of the general Usenet community, unacceptable.
> 
> Personally, I like the pricing info.  But, I don't want to see Usenet turn  
> into an advertising medium, so I support the policy....

As if putting x's where the numbers used to be MAGICALLY transforms the posting
from commercial to non-commercial.  Pardon me while I laugh!

Lets post the prices, and thereby cut down on the internet load from all the  
e-mail asking for it.

> 
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> The University of Houston    *  suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT
> Engineering Computing Center *  comments, complaints, questions)
> NeXT System Administration   *  DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC 
>           >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<<
> "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."

Jim De Arras
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:48:24 GMT

In article <QDd-wjC@engin.umich.edu> zmonster@engin.umich.edu (Eric  
Hermanson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.212601.12695@proponent.com> Monty Solomon  
<roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
> >It is extremely annoying that press releases posted to the NeXT groups  
have had  
> >their price information removed.
> >
> >Who has implemented this practice and why?
> >
> >Press releases posted to other groups routinely include price  
information.
> >
> >Please stop this annoying practice.
> >
>      
> My sentiments exactly.  What good does this do anyone?                    
> 

OK OK...this is getting out of hand. Is there some definitive statement  
that can be made about the appropriate use of commercial announcements in  
the NeXT groups? There really is too much random opinion about this.

For awhile everyone was usins c.s.n.a. Wasn't there actually a vote  
regarding including prices in posts to c.s.n.a? Then people start placing  
commercial ads in other groups. Glenn posts a few landmark glitzy  
commercials with big TIFFs and inside jokes about waitresses. Flames  
commence. Several people mention that marketplace is for non-commercial  
announcements. Announcements of various sorts (and press releases) abound  
in marketplace, software and misc. I'm sure David was attempting to stay  
within protocol by removing the prices from his Athena posts. And then he  
gets negative feedback for THAT! 

How are we supposed to be using these forums for product and pricing  
information?

So is it:

	1) Commercial announcements should be in c.s.n.a
		(moderator does appropriate thing with prices)?

	2) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
		(with prices)?

	3) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
		(without prices)?

Does anyone have a definitive answer? Without opinion and speculation,  
preferably. I originally had some opinion and speculation in this post but  
I took it out so as to play by my own rules...

Gordon
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From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Mesa --- lack of database functionality
Date: 19 Aug 1992 21:35:27 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management


I have been trying to  convince Athena  Design to include a Unix  command-line
file reader. That is, a utility  that reads a  Mesa spreadsheet and outputs an
ASCII data file (i.e. a command line equivalent of "save as text"). That would
allow me to use Mesa to keep all my databases,  and  to  have  S or other Unix
filters operate on a  database; or to dial  in and look  at the contents of my
spreadsheets. (Even nicer if  there was an  update  mechanism.) Note that this
cannot be accomplished through Mesa's API.

Athena Design sees no demand for this  feature, although it would require only
minimal effort to implement.   Perhaps  more  requests could  convince  Athena
Design otherwise. I very much like their spreadsheet, and would want to use it
for real work.

/ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:35:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.004845.23559@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com  
(Irving_Wolfe) writes:
=>Okay, I have the definitive answer:
=>
=>1.  Prices are perfectly okay anywhere.  
=>
=>2.  Blatant advertising is not encouraged anywhere, even in
=>misc.forsale.computers.
=>
=>3.  Originally, the idea behind comp.sys.next.announce was that the
=>moderator would weed out the most repetitive or
=>marketing-hype-filled postings, leaving a mixture of informative
=>ads and miscellaneous announcements of all sorts.  Unfortunately,
=>the present moderator refuses to post prices for his own personal
=>reasons; this makes the ads that he posts nearly valueless to the
                         ^^^^^

Usenet shall not be an advertising medium.  Product announcements are to  
provide the community with the information about a new product.  Price of the  
product is irrelevant to announcing that it simply exists.  When you throw in  
$$ to the picture, you provide an external incentive for the community to  
purchase the product.  Free advertising.  If you want a price, call the  
product provider or send them email...  It really isn't that hard to do...

=>thousands of us depending on the newsgroup for our information.
=>
=>One solution is by-passing the moderator and placing informative
=>ads with prices in the unmoderated newsgroups: hardware, software,
=>programmer, or misc as most appropriate to the product.
=>
=>This is not a bad solution, and is much better than not seeing the
=>prices, but the lack of moderation may mean we see more marketing
=>hype than a moderator would permit.  Frankly, I'll tolerate the
=>hype to get the prices, as long as the current moderator refuses to
=>post prices, and apparently so will most of us.
=>
=>Therefore, please, Moderator, change your policy as soon as
=>possible.  And please, Producers, announce your products elsewhere
=>until that happens (and only until that happens), with the prices
=>and available discounts included.
=>

As best as I can remember, not allowing pricing information was part of the  
charter of c.s.n.a that everyone voted on.  I also seem to recall that there  
would not be announcement type posts in any of the other c.s.n groups...

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