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From: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Santana...Christian????
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:42:44 GMT
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Original to: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com
On Tue 08 Sep at 13:13 ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

 > In article <JCHO.92Sep7124056@dante.nmsu.EDU> jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:

jcho>I was very impressed to run into a song by Santana recently...called
>"Somewhere In Heaven".... Blatantly Christian lyrics...anyone know 
>anything about this... If you hear the song you will know what I am
>talking about...  I was just curious, because Santana has generally 
> been a pretty mellow group in the past...but certainly not Christian and
> I had no known recollection of them even using heavy Biblical contations
>in their songs... Anyone want to clarify?

 ajw> Carlos Santana is a follower of eastern mystic Sri Chinmoy.  He's
 > written a number of songs with spiritual titles - "Somewhere in 
 > Heaven," "Love, Devotion, Surrender," "Let Us Go Into the House of
 > the Lord" - but his spirituality is definitely derived from
 > Hinduism, not Christianity.  

If you have access to a die-hard Santana fan's collection, look at the album
Borboletta (1974?). There is a song on it called "Practice What You Preach"
with lyrics (-:. The vocalist on that track was Leon Patillo, who later
toured as a Christian artist (early 1980s). [Tom Coster, one of the keyboard
players on that album (which used 2 different band line-ups) also appeared
as producer and keyboard player on the Dreams track on CCM artist Jon
Gibson's debut album "On The Run", which had one Joe Satriani on guitar].

The references to Sri Chinmoy disappeared from Santana albums somewhere
around the time of the Zeebop or Shango releases, and on the back cover of
the Beyond Appearances album, you'll see in very small writing the words
"Jesus loves you". The lyric content of the Beyond appearances album was
also very positive.

A year or so ago, Santana and Tramaine Hawkins appeared on each other's
albums. [Tramaine won a Gospel Grammy for that live album of hers]

I was able to have a quick look at the lyrics to "Somewhere In Heaven" last
night, and would agree with Cho that it is blatantly Christian in its
lyrical content.

God bless,
 
Arthur.

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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: MWS on Amercian Country Awards
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:00:10 GMT

I've seen Michael W. playing on more than one Country Awards show. He's gotta 
be an instituion in Nashville. TNN has always played some of his videos.


J.P.
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:31:39 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <90927@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I like to make tapes off of my CDs, sampler tapes of my favorites or
>"mood" tapes that I play on certain occasions.  I'm not selling them to
>anyone, though I do lend them.  On two occasions, I've given them to
>people.  Would the latter be illegal but the former be legal?  If I just
>listen to them myself, is that legal?  

Yes, the latter is illegal.  The only way to legally transmit music to another
person is to give them the original recording, just like software.


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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.155302.10364@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>> >caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> >>jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>jason "next they'll be saying there's no such thing as free 
>> >>>will" steiner
>> >>
>> >>Free will is largely overrated.
>> >
>> >Yeah?  Well, I think God is forcing me to ignore your opinion.  
>> 
>> Quite possibly, the question is, though, is he simply honoring your 
>> desire to ignore my opinion?
>
>and if he is? it's still my desire.
>

Ah, but free will aonly lets you desire, it doesn't let you *do*. Hence, it
is overrated, not non-existant.


Topher
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From: EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Christmas albums for this year
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:42:05 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


   I asked this question last year, and now I'll ask it again. What are the new
 albums that are coming out for Christmas this year? Thanks...

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
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From: jkg@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Greenlee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Metallica
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:44:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct4.100111.16975@csus.edu> swansond@nextnet.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson) writes:
>In article <69869@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>>Just curious...  What does being a Republican have to do with disliking
>>Metallica's moral standpoint?
>
>Nothing -- why do you ask? Yours wasn't by any chance a knee-jerk post,
>was it? If you reread his/her (what happened to the name?) post slowly
>this time, you might see that it goes something like this: I'm a Christian,
>and don't agree with Metallica's views morally, and I'm also a Republican,
>so I don't agree with their views politically either.                     

I hate to point this out, but you paraphrased (and badly at that) - that is
not what the original poster said. Nor is that even what was implied. Just
check the original quote:

	I like Metallica. Now, I'm a registered Republican, besides the
	fact that I'm a Christian, so I don't agree with their views
	politically or morally.

The key word in determing the meaning is "so", which does indeed imply that
the poster's Republican affiliation somehow makes him disagree politically
with Metallica. So Brian's question is valid - not a "knee-jerk" reaction.

>I have a question for the misunderstood person (whoever you are!).

The original poster was Michael Scott Price. Incidentally, I found it rather
interesting that Mr. Price's login name is "zeus" ...

-JimG

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray for MWS
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:38:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep29.183839.22766
Organization: AT&T

Don't you just hate people who follow-up their own postings?

In article <1992Sep29.133733.10439@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>Jesus
>is and always has been one of the mainstays of country music, right
>up there with mama, trains, pickup trucks, whiskey, jukeboxes, and
>honky-tonks.  

According to "Billboard Magazine" the #4 country song this week is none
other than "Jesus and Mama," by Confederate Railroad.  Yee haw.  

I'm still waiting for someone to do "I Heard that Lonesome Whistle
Blow While I Was Sittin' In My Ford Bronc Outside The Dewdrop Inn
Praying To Jesus That I Might Put Down The Bottle And Finally Make
My Mama Proud."  

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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ajw@cblpn.att.com
From: jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: World Theatre info request
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:18:48 GMT
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

hi again.

I was wondering if anyone can tell me about World Theatre eg. discographies,
info about the group or Tim McAllister etc. I got their self-titled tape
the other day from a sales bin for about NZ$4:95 (ie. real cheap) and I
really like it. Standout tracks for me include Monday and Talk.

Any info would be appreciated! Thanks in advance,

John.
jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:40:37 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG) writes:
> Brian King (gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
> : I have often heard this assertion:  "God created music..."
> : 
> : Why do people assume this?  Perhaps Psalms says that we should 
> : use music to worship god, but does it say that God actually 
> : created it?
> :
> : made (paraphrase)"-- sure, he made the glass, iron, rubber, etc., 
> : but Not the actual Corvette.  Why then, should we assume that God 
> : made music?
> :
> : C'mon, let's give credit where credit is due!
> 
> You mean God didn't know that the trees that He created (do you 
> agree that He created the trees?) can be made into musical 
> instruments,  which in turn can make music out of it? I don't think 
> so!! I believe my GOD is NOT so stupid !!! 

nobody ever said God was stupid. you're presenting a straw man argument.

> He created everything on this earth with a purpose, or rather, with 
> multi-purposes which  he intended them to be. 
>
> I don't mean to be rude, but, PLEASE, "let's give credit where 
> credit is due!"

what are you saying here? that humans did -not- create corvettes?
was Ministry right when they wrote the song "Jesus Built My Hotrod"?

sure, God knew what we were going to do with his creation. but -we-
still did it. and some of the things we've done are a teeny bit less
than admirable. are you going to credit God with those too, just because
he knew about it beforehand?

jason "next they'll be saying there's no such thing as free will" steiner

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From: tater@athena.mit.edu (Mazer Rackham)
Subject: Re: Giant
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:10:11 GMT

In article <1afs0lINNp7u@coral.bucknell.edu>, motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94) writes:
|> I must agree also.  I am a guitarist who has a PROFOUND respect for good guitar playing.
|> It is my belief that you CAN listen to whatever music you want, as long as the lyrics
|> don't "bother" you personally.  I have a bunch of secular CD's, and I love them all.
|> I don't try to look into what each group is saying or anything....I just take it for
|> what it's worth on the surface....good music.  I also have a ton of Christian CD's
|> that I listen to, but I tend to pay a lot more attention to the lyrics, for obvious
|> reasons.

Okay, I agree that listening to secular stuff is okay <I have way too much secular for 
my checkbook to handle>, I also believe that as Christians should listen to what the
group is trying to tell us, because we do hear everything that is said, whether we
know it or not.  Read on for more.....

|> Basically, I think it is a very personal choice.

The choice to listen to a certain group or style of music is a very personal choice
and one that every person should make for her/himself.  This choice should not be
dictated by what the preacher or church organist says is right, nor should it be
dictated by what a person's friend says is right.  If Jo Cool can listen to Motley
Crue and be okay with it spiritually, that is his choice, and we should not be judges
of whether it is right or wrong.  I personally gave up Crue because I felt they were
a bit too much, but that was my choice.  

  I know that I have been able to 
|> talk to some friends about Christ because they know I'm a Christian, and still
|> listen to secular bands.  (**opinion**) They see me as any other person who can
|> relateto them, not a Christian who is preaching hellfire and brimstone to everyone I
|> come in contact with. 

Many of my friends here at the Institute grew up in Christian environments, but were
turned off by the hellfire and brimstone fed to them as kids.  Too bad, many of them
are very good people.  They know me as a Christian, and they know, as friends, my
shortcomings.  They also know that I put my faith in God and try to lead my life as
He would have me lead it.  Many long discussions about this stuff has been
substituted for many a problem set.  Unfortunately, some of them have also seen some
other Christians here who are very judgmental and closed-minded.  This turns them
off.

 I am just sure to let them know that I am living my life for
|> Christ, and am living it for what is to come, rather than what is NOW.

If I lived for what is now, I would have dropped out of school at sixteen to earn
money, not work for my future as God had planned.

|> 
|> Just my opinion.  Anyone agree?  Disagree?  I'd like to know.
|> 
|> Later!
|> 
|> John  

Just my rantings, jumbled as they might be.

TATER
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:25:28 GMT

In article <91319@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.204738.6290@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:
>
>Re:  loud concerts and frazzled eardrums
>
>>A little cotton might help.  Really.
>
>I've been known to use wadded up kleenex balls.  Not pretty but effective.

Styrofoam earplugs. They're cheap, disposable or reusable, and conform to the
ear of the person wearing them (you crsh them, put them in, and they expand
to fill the space available). The best place to buy them is probably a gun
shop, since they are very popular among indoor target shooters. Also, check
the first aid station at the concert hall, they usually have them free or for
a small fee.

If you go to a lot of concerts, there is also a reusable rubber kind that you
might want to invest in. Again, check a gun shop.

Topher

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk)
Subject: Re: Looking for Soundgarden-style Christian Band
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:15:25 GMT

I asked:

> I'm wondering if there are any Christian bands yet with the
> "Seattle Sound", ie. grunge?

And got the following responses (Thanks everyone!):

DigHayZooSE
Applehead
Ragman
Die Happy

I've got "Struggle Fish", but my local Christian bookstore never heard of the
other 3.  So, I'm wondering if I can order Applehead and Die Happy from 
one of the mail-order places.  Also, Phil, could you either post or e-mail
the ordering info for the Ragman demo?

A related question: What about Seattle-based Christian bands, any style?
There is obviously a lot of music in that town.  What are the Christians
up to?

John

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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Looking for Soundgarden-style Christian Band
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:13:50 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep29.144135.17892@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.195134.11500@unislc.uucp>, merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk) writes:
>> I'm wondering if there are any Christian bands yet with the
>> "Seattle Sound", ie. grunge?
>> 
>John,
>
>Check out a band called "Die Happy".  They have just one album out,
>but they are what I would consider a Soundgarden clone.
>
>
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Kinda, a bit heavier than Soundgarden, though.. more like a combo of
Metallica and Alice in Chains..

Phil

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From: paiz@Ingres.COM (A Rock-n-Roller, Spiritual, give me any day...)
Subject: Giant
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
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Date: 30 Sep 92 18:39:10 GMT


Ok, i've got this nagging feeling that I had heard one of their songs about 3 
years ago. The song that I'm thinking has the word dream in the chorus. If 
someone could tell me whether it was a popular song or not I'd appreciate it. 
*Note: it would have to be pretty popular, since I heard it in Latin America
and only very popular songs get played.*

Also, if someone could comment on other records by Giant, i'd appreciate it
too.


erwin
paiz@ingres.com
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From: s9877751@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9877751)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:04:00 GMT

In article <FBVyRB5w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes...
>Is there anything wrong with a certain type of music?  What I mean is, 
>I've read a book that says certain music (extreme noises, distortion,
>etc.) is dangerous to listen to.  Now I know there are lots of Christian 
>thrash bands, and even some industrial and techno.  Is it bad?  I really 
>like the industrial and techno sound, but I can't really get into it 
>because it's all secular (I don't agree with the lyrics, lots of it is 
>blasphemous and anti-religious).  I would love to get into Christian 
>industrial and techno if it has a similiar sound to the secular stuff.  I 
>don't have much of a tape collection, so I'm really interested.  Anyway, 
>back to the above question, I'd really like to know.  Thanks.
> 
>Titan
> 
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If you want to listen to it, listen to it!  Life is short, and you might as
well do what you want while you're here.  There is nothing wrong with any
kind of music.  Music is music, and if certain narrow-minded folks think
otherwise, then I fell sorry for them.  No type of music is DANGEROUS to listen
to.  So, go ahead, and listen to what you want to listen to.  That's just
my opinion, but to me it makes a great deal of sense.

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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Performance package
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:34:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.131733.24722@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
>If you work a 40 hour, 5 day workweek you expect to get paid right?
>And you expect to get paid whether you slap hamburgers, write code,
>repair transmissions, or harvest wheat.  The workman is worth of his
>wages.  Why oh why is this different?  

It's not.  As a musician, I wholeheartedly agree.  In fact, I have gotten in
arguments with believers who have wanted to borrow one of my CD's and then
gotten incensed when I told them, "fine, but don't make any copies."  Copyright
laws are on the books for a reason, and it is our responsibility as believers
to follow them.

>
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
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Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2


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