From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Organization: New York University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:14:08 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>In <RPT=aG#@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes: 

>:In the articles "The Nature of Democracy (4-7)", we have 
>:analysed the true purpose of British government in Hong 
>:Kong. It is a common understanding that British government 
>:wants to grab as much money as they can before they leave 
>:Hong Kong permanently. The British running dog, Can Lin, 
>:has to accept the fact although he claimed that it is justified 
>:to give Hong Kong people's money to British companies 
>:because Hong Kong is a colony of Britain.  

>Please try to get your English right.

English is not the issue here, Mr. Lee. You have made numerous mistakes
in just this posting alone - I won't cite examples as you did to embarass
Chen Jian.

English is not the native language of many netters and most of them
will never get everything completely right - maybe you will, someday.
So what? Invite them to leave the group? 

>:British colony government repeatly sings a sweet song. They
>	 ^^^^^^

>It is colonial, not colony.  Direct translation of your
>employer's words don't always give the best result.

>:say they stands for the future of Hong Kong. Some of Hong
>:Kong people were deeply moved by the sweet song and falled
>						     ^^^^^^
>fell

>:into sleep when British colony government steals their money
>:back to Britain. However, in a real world, we should not
>:judge a person from what he says. The most important
>:for us to judge a person is what he does. The behaviour of 
>:British colony government has shown they do not stand for
>:Hong Kong's future. They only interest in Hong Kong people's 
>:money.

>:Chinese government does not sing a sweet song like
>:Britain colony government. Chinese government has told in
>:a plain language that China will not be responsible for
>:any debt left for the airport project. China will not allow
>:a government in Hong Kong to serve for foreign interests
>:and against Chinese government for the national interest of
>:China. Surely, this does not sound sweet like British 
>:government. But it is a plain fact and all of government
>:will act in the same on behalf of their country. United
>:States government will clearly not allow Michigan government
>:to serve for the foreign interests. It is the responsibility
>:of Hong Kong people to find who share the most common 
>:interest with Hong Kong.

>Are you sure that the Chinese government is acting in the
>interest of the China ?  If that's the case then you are also
>saying that the Chinese government is acting in the interest of
>the Chinese people and therefore also the people of Hongkong.

>I am sorry, I have to disagree with you.  A government that cares
>for her people does not:

>1. Use intimidation to threaten her people.  As we have all seen
>in the last two months, the Chinese government have through
>various channels attempted to destory the confidence of the
>people of Hongkong.  I ask you truly from your conscience: would
>any government that cares for her people would do such a thing ?

>2. Kill her own people so as to stay in power.  I won't bother
>saying when and where the Chinese government has killed her own
>people, but you all remember 6.4.  Need I say more ?

>3. Establish herself as above the law of the land and above the
>constitution.  In the Joint Declaration the Chinese government
>and the British government have clearly agreed to give democracy
>to Hongkong.  The Joint Declaration is a piece of legal document
>that is binding to the signatories of the document.  By refusing
>to allow democratic reforms in Hongkong the Chinese government is
>breaking her own laws.  And there are cases where people are
>detained without trials for periods longer than allowed by
>Chinese laws.  Shall I go on ?

>In summary, the Chinese government or more correctly the Chinese
>Communist Party does not care for China or her people.  The CCP
>is the one who want money to line her pockets.  The current
>Chinese government is ***UNFIT*** to rule the Chinese people
>little known Hongkong.  

>:In the following, I intend to analyse the common interest
>:between China and Hong Kong in the following areas: history,
>:geography, economy, politics.  

>I am sick to death of your pathetic attempts at promoting those
>CCP gangsters.  If you are going to feed this lies to us could you
>kindly ask your CCP masters to pay for newspapers ads rather than
>wasting internet bandwidth.  I am sure the University of Michigan
>does not like wasting money on CCP propaganda.

>:4. Politics

>:A British running dog wants China to break like 
>:Soviet Union and fall into a civil war as shown
>:in his article so call "Warning to CCP running
>:dogs". Is this the interest of Hong Kong people? 

>:Imagine China is in a civil war. What can Hong Kong
>:people can get? 

>You amazes me again and again with dumbest of comments.  For the
>benefits of the rest of this group.  Could you tell me how my
>comments could bring about civil war in China ?

>:Fortunately, this will not happen. Deng Xiao Ping made
>:a brave move in 1989 and firmly cracked down the threat
>:to China. Like many of Chinese students, I demostrated
>:in London in 1989 and shouted:"Down with Deng Xiao Ping."
>:However, after I see what happened in Soviet Union and
>:Eastern Europe, I know I was wrong. Deng Xiao Ping won
>:my highest respect and my trust.

>Why, because he is so good at killing his own people ?

>:Today, China is enjoying the highest economic growth rate
>:in the world. Many countries want to take part in the 
>:economic booming of China and share the profit. As the 
>:common interest of China and Hong Kong, Chinese government
>:has given many privileges to Hong Kong business instead of
>:foreign business.

>Oh really, you obviously haven't trying doing business from
>Hongkong to China.  Try it one day and see how many people you
>have to bribe and how many red tapes you have to go through
>before telling me the Chinese government give privileges to HK
>businessmen. 

>:This article is tooooo long. I have to stop and will continue
>:in my next article.

>Please send your articles somewhere else.  The signal to noise
>ratio in this group would vastly improve.

This is an outrageous request - excuse me. While having reservations
on Chen Jian's points of view, I don't think his right to post
on the net should be deprived. They used to treat Fangemin (anti-
revolutionary) like this in China. What do you think?

>--
>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia

- Li, Qiang

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