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From: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Subject: Re: Teaching a Psych of Gender class- looking for YOUR help!
Reply-To: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:22:49 GMT


In a previous article, celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) says:

>Most of these books can be order
>from IFGE
>phone: (617) 899-2212
>fax:   (617) 899-5703 (for MC/Vias orders)
>Address
>IFGE
> P.O. Box 736
>Wayland, MA 01778
>

That's P.O. Box 367, not 736.
-- 
Roberta

To err is human,
to really screw up, you need a computer.
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an4989@anon.penet.fi
Subject: again
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:23:41 GMT

trying yet another
thu-cg

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From: cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Dukes)
Subject: Re: followups: a tip
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:49:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.035807.17641@fuug.fi> an2166@anon.penet.fi (Michelle) writes:
>So if you want to post a followup that is tracked by many of the
>current threaded-type newsreaders, use the anonymous server as you
>always do (mail to alt.transgendered@anon.penet.fi, for example) and
>just edit in a "References: <message-id>" header line that contains
>the message id(s) of the article(s) you're following up.
>
>The result will be, for those who have threaded news readers, a
>discussion more easily followed.

As I have recently started using a threaded newsreader, I have to ask the
question, would there be interest in a replacement for Pnews and inews 
(The programs used to put together the headers for an article, and post the
article) which would allow you to automatically do followups anonymously
on some newsgroups, ask for others, and not bother for the rest based on
a list?

Another suggestion is that most newsreaders that let you reply to a message
include a reference, and allow you to edit who is to receive the newsgroup.

Chris/Kristine (Getting bored and wanting to program)
From: hackbod@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Dianne Hackborn)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Support, and anonymity
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:00:14 GMT
Organization: Buried on the floor somewhere.
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan9.233453.24476@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>2. If you do have the above mentioned ability and you are not living full-time
>under your chosen name, you might not want to take advantage of that system
>feature because if you do, every time you email something to a professor, a
>friend you're not "out" to, a misc.jobs.offered poster etc. etc. etc. you will
>go through that routine..."I DID set it to my 'homme name' before I sent that,
>DIDN'T I???"  And of course, sooner or later you will "slip".  Maybe that will
>be my second step out of the closet:)

*grin* that has happened to me once so far, sending mail to a
professor...  However, I was sending mail to him with the intention of
coming out to him, so it wasn't much of a problem.  [I had planned on
making an appointment with him and telling him in person, but doing it
in mail seemed to work out fine. :)]  And I gave my email address to a
friend a few months ago and ended up confusing the heck out of her for
a while. :)

Actually, I have to admit that I'm kind of dissapointed that using my
name on this account hasn't outed me to more people.  *sigh*  Seemed
like such an easy way to do it... ;)

>2. For whatever it may be worth, those participants who have Internet access
>can "talk" to you if they know your Internet address (assuming you have one). 
>I haven't tried initiating any such talks because I don't know what rules of
>etiquette apply, if any.  As for me, I'm usually willing to talk whenever I'm
>online, and if not, I don't mind being interrupted by daemons.  Etiquette
>question...Is the default assumption that those who don't want to take calls
>have the feature disabled a safe one?

I don't have messages turned off because I don't mind it every now and
then [although I much prefer IRC], but being constantly bugged by
people on my system asking how to get on to IRC has tempted me to just
turn then off. :/

>3. It feels good.  Really.

Yep.  Really really really really good. :)  I first changed my user
name to D. Hackborn, but I MUCH prefer using my whole name.  Ahhhh... :)


-- 
Dianne Kyra Hackborn            The healthy .sig:
hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu     - Low in saturated quotes
BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne      - No artificial disclaimers
Oregon State University       - 99% splat free
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir)
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:34:26 GMT

Melissa

I know of some research where structural changes of the brain were
induced by post-natal experiences.  In this research, cats were
subjected to environments with vertical bars or horizonal bars in
their visual field.  When disected, microscopic differences where
found in the structures of the brains of the two groups.  However,
the changes were rather small and the the environments were very
strongly structured.  While this research suggests that environment
does effect brain structure, it can at best only weakly support
a contention that socialization would signifficantly effect "brain
sex."

					Barbara

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an3344@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Bra Fillers!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:35:13 GMT

Lots o' stuff deleted....

>	Thanks for the tip! Do prothesis' behave the same way?
>

Yes! and then some. Balloons tend to get back to their "normal" ovid shape,
while prosthesis (hmm, prothesi) have a rather permenent shape (as long as you 
take care of them and keep the cats away <G>). 

The ones that I have are formed for bilateral applications and fill the cup 
fully and consistently. Also, their "nude" color allow for sheer bras and 
*very* daring fashions. 

Finally, like water balloons they absorb body heat and come up to a wonderful
98. whatever and because they fill the entire cup they feel very natural.

Any corset fans out there?

Joanna

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From: an852@anon.penet.fi
Subject: hello
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X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:55:49 GMT

Aardvarks are nice.

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From: ctan@world.std.com (Cecilia M Tan)
Subject: Writers wanted
Organization: The World
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:51:51 GMT


Hello all, let me introduce myself.  I'm the founder and editor of a small 
science fiction publisher.  Circler press specializes in erotic sf,
something we think the main houses have neglected.  I'm currently at
work on an anthology inwhich all the stories will have a transgender
theme, including crossdressing, transexuality, and other forms of
genderfuck.  This is science fiction and fantasy, remember, so anything
goes, from societies where crossdressing is a requirement, to multi-sex
species, to whatever you can imagine.

So if anyone out there has a story, with either science fictional setting 
or characters, that incorporates a theme of transgenderism, I want to see
it.

I don't take manuscripts over e-mail -- trying to save my eyes for my
old age, you know.  But if you have more questions, please do feel free
to e-mail me (ctan@world.std.com) or send me hardcopy at our PO Box,
Box 15143, Boston, MA  02215.

Thanks a million.

-ctan
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: thomas@maths.tcd.ie (Thomas Bridge)
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:10:24 GMT

Talking of Bogus theories,  I heard on the radio yesterday that researchers in
British Colombia, Canada have "proved" that left handed people are more likely
to have a sex change than right handed people.  Do any of the pre or post op
TSes know anything about this?

Perhaps we could organise a survey through this newsgroup.

Incidentally, the researchers claim that this theory helps to support the theory
that these traits are predetermined at birth.


Thomas Bridge

thomas@maths.tcd.ie
From: wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Well, I'm back
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:50:32 GMT
Organization: Wendy's world
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Lorraine Lee (w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu) wrote:
: In article <929006@sundown.mil.wi.us>, wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy) writes:
: 
: >I see my sister Celeste has been dubed the local guru. She's quite
: >knowledgeable on the subject and is a really wonderful person. I'm
: >sure she appreciates the gesture.
: 
: Yah I'm curious where she heard/read about the Roman emperor with some 2
: millenia of technological foresight.  And about a zillion other interesting
: facts and factoids she posts.
: 

She's read alot. I have a stack of books about a foot thick of things she's
recommended I read. With what my therapist has me reading, I'll never get
done!!!....:-)

: >For those that are new, I'm a pre-op TS. I have been part of a gender
: >transition program for about 3 months and have a ways to go before I
: >live full time. I will probable start on hormones in a couple of months.
: >I have been a TS since as far back as I can remember (about 7) and I'm
: >44 now.
: 
: Pleaze keep us posted, or keep me posted if its not stuff appropriate for
: "broadcasting".  I'm curious as to what I'm in for.
: 

Ok, I try to keep everyone posted as to how my transition is proceeding.

: >For those confused by the sister reference, Celeste and I are adopted
: >sisters of each other. It's really nice having a caring sister like her.
: >Personally, I think each TS should have another TS sister. You know, a
: >sister is one with whom you can share your secrets!!!
: 
: A "big sister/little sister" program would probably help in ways clinical
: facilities can't begin to.  Unfortunately gender congruity tends to be a
: process of elimination, so there would probably be 19 little sisters for every
: alumna.  I did have an opportunity to meet one of our TRANSGEN (mailing list)
: sisters in person over the hollidays.  No substitute for Real hugs!
: 
: ...

Celeste and I found each other hear on Usenet and imediately knew we were
sisters. Kind of like we're soul sisters and should have been born sisters.
She is the most wonderful sister a girl could ever have. I love her dearly!!

: Love to you too, sis
: 

Thanks. We all need all the love and hugs we can get. We are all sisters
in our quest for truth.......

: Lorraine
: 

Wendy
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an5234@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Popery and Momery
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:57:09 GMT

Sorry this isn't threaded; it appears that my normal mail editor won't let
me edit the header.

Celeste, before this goes further:  "Pope Joan," or John the whatever, has
been conclusively proved apocryphal.  The story was invented within 80
years of the alleged dates of the alleged pope (mome?), for what purpose
remains unclear, but is undoubtedly, indubitably, and without doubt a
complete fabrication.  Sorry to bust your bubble.
If you're looking for dramatic historical figures, the Chevalier [is there
a feminine form of that title?] d'Eon, an unquestionably historical
figure, is almost a TV fantasy come to life (he, the Chevalier, reportedly
spied in England, disguised as a woman.  This caused a scandal, with the
result that the French state denied his masculinity--and ordered him to
live as a woman for the rest of his life).  There are, in fact, all sorts
of wonderfully juicy little TV tidbits [tit-bits?] in history, like the
German General Staff officer who, before WWI, had a heart attack and
died--while dancing for friends in full ballet costume.  Said friends are
supposed to have notified his wife, and then had to sidetrack her somehow
before she saw the body, while they redressed him in his uniform.
Pope Joan, though, didn't exist.  I can't, at the moment, remember the
source for debunking this particular myth, but if I find it I'll send it
to you.

aml

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From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: is it the body or the brain?
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:12:24 GMT

an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei) writes:

>I notice that most of us speak about being in the wrong body.  For me
>this is difficult to handle.  What seems to be more plausable is that
>I'm in the correct body, my brain is just confused.  I guess it's
>easier to think it is environment rather then a mistake God made.

well, it's a lot simpler when you don't believe in God. :)

i would much rather change my body to match my mind/brain than change
my mind/brain to match my body.  my mind is more important to defining
who i am than my body is.

of course, i'm a TS, not a TV, so your milage may vary.

kelly
--
Just because the law is irrational doesn't mean they can't put you in jail for
violating it.
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir)
Subject: Re: is it the body or the brain?
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:25:34 GMT

Deb

I think that you are missing the point of the in utero etiology theory.
The important thing is not the experiences of the mother during gestation,
it is the experiences of the feoutus.  Specifically, it is whether certain
hormonal events take place or not.  It is not a matter of whether the
mother saw a skunk during pregnancy or something like that.  The theory is
based on laboratory research findings which have already been mentioned in
this group. 

						Barbara

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: krh9895@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.R. Hall )
Subject: Re: Hi again...
Originator: krh9895@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:04:01 GMT

In article <SCG.93Jan6151302@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:
>an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon) writes:
>
>>Has it seemed to "help" in any way? I'm curious because I feel like I
>>should have been a female, but I am male, but then I'd like to be a
>>gay female most of all, but I don't have any motivation to change.
>
>well, you're not alone in wanting to be a lesbian.  i also consider
>myself to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body.  in my case i have
>motivation to change, although i also have motivation not to.
>
>>I'd be one really sad looking female! (or not, who knows?) 
>
>probably not.  you'd be surprised.
>
>kelly


i feel the same way.  i am probably somewhat bi but my main atraction
	is towards other women.  so i have started calling myself a 
	lesbian wanna-be or rather a lesbian gonna-be.   :)
    i also have motivation and am now seeing a councelor (on campus
	paid by the school...  not sure if that's good or bad)  in my
	pursuit of s.r.surgery.    if you feel fine being who you are and
	feel no motivation to change, then don't.  just be the best "you"
	that you can be!!!!



also...   someone on the net told me that they were going to forward
	my e-mail address to a ts friend of theirs in rochester so we
	could get in contact and i could find a ts program near me.  my
	mail system went down over break so i don't know who this person
	was or if their friend has tried to contact me or not.  in other
	words....   help!!!   :)

thanx and love to all
	kathy


Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: Teaching a Psych of Gender class- looking for YOUR help!
Followup-To: alt.transgendered
Organization: AEGIS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:17:45 GMT

In article <C0Dx5s.GG7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(Jason Osborne) wrote:
> [much stuff deleted]
> of yourselves.  I do not know excatly what I am looking for, except that
> I would like to have some stories to give to the class which illustrates
> what it is like to feel psychologically to be 'transgendered'.  Hmmm.  I

> Jason Osborne
> State University of New York at Buffalo
> v065hjku@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Oh!

Let me add:
The Uninvited Dilemma
In Search of Eve
"Transsexualism" articels from Tapestry
Information for the Female to Male Cross-Dresser an Transsexual
Fantastic Women: Sex, Gender and Transvestism
My Story by Caroline "Tula" Cossey
Second Server by Renee Richards

Most of these books can be order
from IFGE
phone: (617) 899-2212
fax:   (617) 899-5703 (for MC/Vias orders)
Address
IFGE
 P.O. Box 736
Wayland, MA 01778

Love and hugs,

Celeste
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: an857@anon.penet.fi (Sasha)
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:34:15 GMT


Hi all,

	The notes on the newgroup have been real interesting. I think 
	this moral over-the-wire support group has been real helpfull
	to others besides myself. With that, I'd like to add a few
	comments and questions.

	Check the recent Discovery (Jan '93), pp. 55. The article on
	'Gay Genes' may be of interest. 'Homosexuality may be more than
	a state of mind. Studies over the past two years have offered
	tantalizing clues that the brains of gay men are physically
	different from the brains of heterosexula men. The studies are
	controversial, but if the differences are real, researchers would
	love to know when they cam about: during puberty, in the womb,
	or perhaps even earlier, in the genes'. Now that leads me to
	consider the same for us.

	A few others have interest in the PBS show about a ts going for
	SRS and the Donahue show recently about CDing and such. I would 
	also be interested in viewing this, if someone who as them would
	make copies for a nominal fee. Also, some time back Tula Cossey 
	was on Donahue and that was a VERY interesting program, wished
	I'd taped that one!

	As for clothes, my favorite is Victoria Secrets' for the simpler
	things in life. I also love waring a bit of makeup to work.

	As a new years res, I decided to tell my wife about my needs/wants/
	desires and she was not too receptive. Since then, she's taken it 
	in stride, but I doubt I'll ever get what I really want ... breasts, 
	and true understanding! I also told my X, who earlier said she wants 
	me back, but she was really vociferous about any doings if I went tv. 
	Well who needs that. Oh well.... we'll see what happens.

	A BIG hug and thanks to all those that have send me mail... love
	ya all. it would be really nice to have a get-together of the group
	I could attend. Over the wire is helpfull, but in person would be 
	best.

	Love,
	  Sasha


P.S.	To those about the business venture, I'm still working on a proto-
	type (parallel processing system), so stay tuned.

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From: an2881@anon.penet.fi (Shannon)
Subject: Re: Ross & My other post...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:44:45 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.transgendered

Ross - I just read your New Years Eve extravangaza! I played New Years Eve too,
	and I kept thinking all night about playing en-dress! Sometimes when
	I practice at home (guitar & keyboards) I dress up and it feels so sexy
	that I can't believe it. I guess it's the combination of my two 
	passions! at the same time. I know that I play differently. Ross, what
	you did was what I've dreamed of. Unfortunately, in the blue-hair 
	clubs we play I think there would be a few heart attacks - even on
	halloween!

	Celeste, thanks for the supportive words of advice. The great thing is
	that I am honest with myself and my desires, and I live that way. This
	newsgroup has changed my feelings about CDing (like it seems to have
	done for everyone!!!) and I'm much more comfortable with it than I ever
	was. I just shaved my legs for the first time around xmas, and a few
	times since, and I can't believe that I denied myself the feeling of
	smooth skin against the fabrics. Idiot! Joni was helpful with a reason
	for me to shave, but I modified it to say that my body trainer at the
	gym recommended it because as I worked out it would really show off my
	progress! I was wearing my bathrobe around the house the other day and
	a friend popped over (I wasn't en-dress). He noticed my legs were 
	shaved and I told him the "story" and he just said "awww aren't we 
	vain..."  So... I guess it works. Now I gotta workout - good motivation
	huh? I've been lucky because a lot of girls (unsolicited by the way) 
	say that I have nice legs - lord knows how I got them! But that means
	that I can claim that the working out did it! <dastardly "heh heh heh"
	inserted here>

					Ciao for now,
						- Shannon
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From: an857@anon.penet.fi (Sasha)
Subject: hsitorical figures
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:56:53 GMT


	Wasn't there a mayor of chicago/nyc that used to go about 
	the streets dressed in womens' apparel ?

	Sasha
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