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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:18:21 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Another Latin quiz

>Bellum entropicum asks me:
>>Thought of subscribing to CLASSICS at UWAVM?
>   Hadn't until just this moment.  Do they get, you know,
>   down and dirty?
>
>   brad

Don't know.  No posts yet.  Not that I'm lurking (big topic on
PURTPOPOI recently).  Well, there *was* one post--a subscription
to the list.  Probably not down and dirty enough for you--yet.
Give me time.  I'll just repost your tidbits (some very clever,
some very wrong) as my own.  Flames I shall simply then repost to
you.

Salve atque vale

-Mka
Odi et amo
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:31:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Doris Smith <dorisann@tenet.edu>
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fermat update
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Torkel,
 Despite the my inability to follow the FAQ file you sent, and my
<negative> opinion of it, you are *still* my favorite writer.
  As soon as I can manage to get 45 (or so) walnuts (or similar objects)
and one fewer boxes, I just might perform your mathematical experiment.  It
might make me feel "at home," as both my brother and my daughter are
mathematicians at heart and used to be constantly making up games and
puzzles dealing with math. I even married a math major. None of which
makes me understand mathematics any better.
Doris (who *does* do OK in arithmatic)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:49:44 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers
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What *is* this 'tracked' thing???
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:36:03 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ribbit...ribbit...ribbit...
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1992, Doris Smith wrote:
> > John "POETS day is tomorrow, and not a day too soon" W.
>
> A truer word was never spoken.  I just may wear my POETS button tomorrow.
> Doris (and yes, John [and Graham] I *do* know what that means)

*I* know what it means, too, and it's *very* true...I'm going to look for
my button now.
ndh (who is concentrating on the thought that there are only 34 more weeks
of school, but finds it is NOT helping)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:03:48 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ooooooh! Pigs!
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              1 Sep 1992 13:45:11 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:45:11 CDT Tushar Samant said:
>>I remember.  It was Mka's, Karen's, and mine.
>
>Speaking of which, where is Mka?

who the hell cares?

dan
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:15:34 BST
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      No Subject specified
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I'm trying to come up with some scheme at the moment to get myself a
permanent gtoal.com site address before I really get my home machine
on line properly, because I don't trust demon.co.uk to be there for the
next thirty years...  Apparently, my friend Ronnie tells me, I have
to find a couple of proper (always connected) internet sites to offer
to nameserve for me.  I don't really know what's involved, but anyone
reading this who does and is willing to volunteer, would you drop me
a line please?  I don't *think* there's much active hacking you'd have
to do once the routing entry is set up, but I'm not sure.  Abh - do you
know about this stuff?  Does smtpgate do name serving?  Anyone else?

Thanks,

Graham
PS Sorry no Subject line - haven't worked out how to do it in this
braindead pcelm prog that I have to use for the moment...
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:35:58 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Sign-Language Phonology
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I have one article (a review article from Language) on ASL
phonology in case anyone is interested. If no one wants it,
it gets recycled on Monday.:)

Karen
who is cleaning off her desk
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: The Shape of things
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:50:34
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In-reply-to: Rita Marie Rouvalis's message of Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:40:27 EDT

Rita wonders:

	   I was going to include a little clipart lineart thingie of
   Colorado in the newsletter I am working on.  Colorado is perfectly
   square.  That's not very interesting.  I mean, really, what were
   the civil engineers thinking?  I mean, I can't put a square in the
   middle of the page.


It's not the shape, it's the topography.  Flatland to canyonland to purple
mountains majesty...

//anne, "I wish I was a headlight on a northbound train...I'd shine my
light through the cool Colorado rain!//
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:52:26 EDT
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Two Tushars
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>From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
>
>>There's a Tushar online on Ra right now.  But not a Samant.
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>I own up. Natalie is my creation. Lifted the style wholesale from old
>Mrs Saldanha to create her. Had to read a bit from Fromkin and Rodman
>from time to time, though.
>
>Started out as manually written letters, though in the recent past she
>has been mostly software. I'll put the programs on ftp at Ra.
>
>But you have to admit "Natalie" was pretty convincing, eh?
>
What I want to know, TS, is how in blazes you managed to disguise
yourself as a blonde, southeastern American woman.  No dark com-
plexion.  No retroflex stops.  Aspiration in all the *right* places,
seemingly effortlessly.  And you even took up smoking, put yourself
in a car with Mississipps plates and drove right up to Mama P's
for the Clambake.  And this just after posing as your sweet (and
allegedly sexy) self at O'Hare for abh.  Gotta hand it to you,
Tushar man.  You pulled off one of the most clever hoaxes of the
century.

F.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:52:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ubi Sunt?
Comments: To: Doretta Hanschka <ak743@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
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> >>Where is silvia who is she?
> >Is her last name Calabash, by any chance?
> >-----------------------------------------------------
> And we still don't know who Silvia is......
>
> Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message

Actually, having just begun to read some Kurt Vonnegut, -ggs
realizes that the line is NOT Where is Silvia who is she? but
Where is CELIA who is she?
--Anyone know this source?  I've quoted this several times over
the past few months and no response.  You wordslers, well I never.
--ggs
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:22:41 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Where is Ruth Who is She?
Comments: To: Doretta Hanschka <ak743@cleveland.freenet.edu>
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> >> 554 ruthh@admiral.uucp... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from name
> >>  server)

>   Kep sending stuff to dead mailboxes and you'll never get one.
>
Ruth, I understood your explanation about the no longer used/in existence
mail server (yes, I *know* --ggs, it was *your* question), but what
puzzles me is that all of the -by now close to 100 I'm sure - messages
that have been burped back to me were messages posted to Words-L, not to
you personally.  That being the case, I *still* don't understand what is
happening.
Doris
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Subject: Re: San Diego
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:50:06 GMT
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On Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:51:41 GMT Doretta Hanschka said:
>>(yeah, the WHITE JB, the one who also falls in love with an alien, etc.)
>
>And "Likes Them Big and Stupid" - "in love 'til we're through then he's out
>in the hall"<grin>  I always liked Julie Brown.

close, ruth...close...."make love til we're done, then he's out in the hall"

and one of the MANY things I like about you is that you look a lot like
Julie....

dan
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:50:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: English Aspiration
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> Am I reading this right?  Based on the results of the survey, are you planning
> to modify your speech (aspiration) patterns?  Is it possible?  Well, it's
> not THAT strange --  professional actors do this all the time, I s'pose.
>
> I ask this cos the couple of attempts I've made to (deliberately) alter the
> way I say certain words have been complete flops. I'd get confused
> between the old and new versions (in the middle of a sentence) and almost
> never try it any more.  The word that made me give up : "composite".
>
> rashmi
> (rashmi@coe.drexel.edu)

It is possible.  One of the problems with teaching students to pronounce
Spanish correctly is the unaspirated <t> and <p> and <k>....  I have to
practice it all the time to remember to do it correctly, and then it
slips over into my English and my tc/sw says "Why are you doing those
funny things with your mouth when you talk?"  And I say, of course,
"What funny things? I'm just talking...."  Then, she *laughs* at me.
As she buzzes off in her just-purchased-this-afternoon olive green
Jaguar sedan. (!)
--ggs (whose household now consists of two drivers and seven cars...)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:48:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@mvs.cso.niu.edu jim thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Post-Fabrications

    >Wow, Is this for real?  (Haven't listened to the news.)  It's
    >awful, a sign of the times, perhaps.  Remember the incident in
    >Iowa last year when a Physics grad student shot and killed 3 or 4
    >people.

Yup. It's real. And don't forget the phd student (math or physics, I
think) at UCLA about 10-15 years ago who whacked his major prof over
the head with a hammer (fatally). Sent to prison, and there was a
problem when he was about to be released 'cause he said he couldn't
promise in advance that he wouldn't do the same thing again. His point
was that nobody could "promise" not to be violent, and anybody (he
claimed) could just flip out.  His motive for the slaying (he said)
was that: "I just wanted to get his attention."

Best motive was from the teenager who sat across from her highschool
back in the 80s and picked off a bunch of her classmates as they were
entering school. Her reason: "I hate Mondays!" (which the Boomtown
Rats have immortalized).
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:44:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ubi Sunt?
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> > The worst week of my life so far.  Too many students and not enough
> > seats for them and *I* had to do all the dirty work.  Now it's
>
> How many is too many?
>
> doris

Well, 29 in one class and 30 in the other, but I'm really talking
about my job as scheduling officer, due to which I have to sit in
the office and talk to *every* student who can't find a seat in
a class or doesn't like a professor or can't understand a certain
professor in either of the two languages that he speaks or just
*has* to have a certain instructor or she will lie down and die.
So, that has been about 245 students this week, and they have all
gone away with a smile on <ze face>.....   We try to keep everyone
happy around here.
.
No inservice around here, fortunately.  We are too <learned> for
that, or that's what we think.
.
Anyway, all this work is interfering with my "work" (words-l mail)
so I'm afraid I will have to wait until next summer to get another
chance at the bwp award.
--ggs (I *know* 29-30 doesn't sound like very many, I *know*...)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:49:38 EDT
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ducky St. George

  I have never called anyone <ducky> and have never heard the term
used other than just ducky or the children's game Duck Duck Goose.
Now that you make an interesting implication there, I will just have
to find out about <ducky>.

 Theresa (who has called someone a knave before and meant it.  Boy
  were they surprised when they found out what it meant ;)  )
 twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:45:48 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bumper Stickers
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Posted on 2 Sep 1992 at 17:53:06 by karsten
>I think you are referring to college-bound vs. vocational tracking.
>To some extent this is the fixed interlocking of various ability
>classes along with additional classes that are available only
>to certain level students.  This is indeed ridiculous.

Gotcha.  But we only had 400 students, so could not do all the
options you described.  We were divided into three groups, btw, not 2.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:59:09 EDT
From:         Allie Mansour <mansour@ZONKER.EE.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: IVL Pitchrider
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu

please unsubscribe me from all mailing lists
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:41:26 -0400
From:         NLEONARD@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: voice-to-MIDI
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What is the suggested retail price of this thing?  Is it larger or
heavier than a metal 1 rack space unit?

Thanks

Neil
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:38:34 +0100
From:         Martin Roth <roth@IPS.ID.ETHZ.CH>
Subject:      Optical Music Recognition
Comments: cc: roth@dxcern.BITNET

I'm working on a program for recognition of printed music.
Now I'm looking for pointers to literature and people concerning
the same subject. Any infos appreciated, email to
roth@ips.id.ethz.ch.

So far I have contacts to McGill University, Canada and University of
Surrey, England.

I read about the WABOT Keyboard Playing Robot of Waseda University,
Tokyo. Anyone knows if someone since worked on the recognition of
music ?

_______________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:08:34 +0200
From:         "Hmeljak Mattia" <hmeljakm@UTS340.UNIV.TRIESTE.IT>
Subject:      more voice-to-MIDI
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> From: NLEONARD@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
> Subject:      Re: IVL Pitchrider
>
> I have never tried any careful experiments with the IVL.  However, I
> have performed a number of pieces with soprano sax and the IVL.  It
> sends note on, velocity and maps volume to one of 4 controllers.
> If you use it with the foot pedal (theirs), it harmonizes, sends
> program changes.  It is a one rack space unit.

I would be interested in one more thing: does the IVL capture
'glissando' or you have to play (or sing) only separate notes ?
And what does it happen when you play fast very short notes ?

> ...
> What can you tell me about the rolands.  Also could you please forward
> me any information you get on machines for under $1000.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Neil

In next weeks I should get a Roland (i don't remember the exact name
of the product) pitch-to-MIDI converter, a simple and cheap device,
( not the Roland VP-70 voice processor )
to do some experiments. And perhaps another one (which brand?) MIDI-
Mike from a guitarist.

If it is of any interest to you, I'll send you more info when I'll
get them.

-----------------------------

in reply to Re: voice-to-MIDI

> VOICE TO MIDI: ROLAND VOICE PROCESSOR VP-70, HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR
> SEVERAL YEARS NOW. IT IS A "CHORUS-HARMONIZER" TYPE OF INSTRUMENT THAT HAS A
> MIDI-KEYBOARD INPUT AS WELL AS A VOICE-PITCH TO MIDI NOTE CONVERTOR. IT WORKS
> WELL EXCEPT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE LOUDNESS OF YOUR VOICE ABOVE A CERTAIN
 THREASH
> OLD IN ORDER TO TRIGGER THE MIDI PITCH. REGARDS ALL, O. HENRY

The same questions interest me about the VP-70:
what does it do with glissandos?
                     fast notes?
                     loudness?
(does it recognise only pitch and note-on or is it a little bit
more intelligent?)
And when it comes to this, I wonder if there is a pitch-to-MIDI
converter which converts 'expression' or 'texture' of the input
signal in program changes or some controllers...

Dimitrij Hmeljak
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From:         NLEONARD@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: voice-to-MIDI
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I have done a bit of work with the IVL Pitchrider.  This is a monophonic
pitch to midi converter.  For thepast few years this has been the
affordable alternative.  Does information on this tool interest you?

Neil Leonard
nleonard@ecn.mass.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:22:11 +0200
From:         "Hmeljak Mattia" <hmeljakm@UTS340.UNIV.TRIESTE.IT>
Subject:      IVL Pitchrider
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From: Dimitrij Hmeljak (hmeljakm@uts340.univ.trieste.it)

Re: Re:voice-to-MIDI

Yes, I'm interested! Not only in tech info about the IVL Pitchrider
(I didn't know that it exists... I knew about various Roland ...)
but also if it is of any use with human voice and other characteristics.
Re-thanks

Dimitrij Hmeljak
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:46:05 BST
From:         David Wilson <davol@MEIKO.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Performer DTLe problem
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Dave Wilson is on holiday at the momoent, but his mail will be retained, until
his return, and he will reply then. He is back on the 07/09/92.

Thank You

Paul Lee.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:33:25 -0300
From:         HU CARL <hucarl@ECF.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject:      Cakewalk for Win v1.0 vs Master Tracks Pro
Comments: To: emusic-l@american.edu

Andrea:
     I've used Cakewalk for Windows 1.0 and MasterTracks Pro. MasterTracks is
more expense and not as good as Cakewalk. Cakewalk provides a cool staff view
of your music that is useful for editing stuff. It can't print (I was
disappointed when I found that out) out your music, but it's still nice if you
played a wrong note and you just want to shift it up or down. The keyboard
view is hard to read (you have to trace it to the left graphical depiction of
a keyboard to figure out what note that is).
     In addition:
     Although both play in the background, only Cakewalk records in the
background, which I do when I'm transferring music from my keyboard to the
computer (multitrack record). Cakewalk also has cool sysex support.

You asked "is it worth the money". Well, it's not that expensive, and if you
have a nice computer, the windows interface is easier to use. Did you use the
old cakewalk (v4.0). This version's better.

Carl Hu
hucarl@bullet.ecf.utoronto
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:10:22 -0400
From:         Dana Nibby <D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Proteus
Comments: To: rec-music-synth@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Comments: cc: emusic-l@auvm.american.edu, bpm+@andrew.cmu.edu

Someone recommended the Proteus to me as a good synth for techno.
(I'll have a drum machine, and an Amiga 500 for sequencing/sampling)
I remember seeing used Proteus' for around $450. Was this the Proteus
1? I was looking for a synth in the $400-$500 range. Can anyone tell me
a little bit about the Proteus? Just the basics. How many voices?
Sequencer? (if so, how many tracks?) Does it come with a disk drive or
does it use Rom cards? Does it have effects? Filtering/LFO?

  Or can anyone recommend another synth that is MIDI compatible, cheap,
and has good quality techno-type sounds? Or sounds used by bands like
MB Manifesto, Orbital, Quadrophonia, Consolidated. I also do a dark
ambient side project, and I've heard that the Proteus is supposed to
have amazing film scoring/soundscape type sounds. So, what can I buy for
$400-$500 used?

   Thanks,

      Dana
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:34:19 EDT
From:         "Henry,Otto,W" <MUHENRY@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: voice-to-MIDI
              28 Aug 1992 16:29:48 +0200 from <hmeljakm@UTS340.UNIV.TRIESTE.IT>

VOICE TO MIDI: ROLAND VOICE PROCESSOR VP-70, HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR
SEVERAL YEARS NOW. IT IS A "CHORUS-HARMONIZER" TYPE OF INSTRUMENT THAT HAS A
 MIDI-KEYBOARD INPUT AS WELL AS A VOICE-PITCH TO MIDI NOTE CONVERTOR. IT WORKS
WELL EXCEPT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE LOUDNESS OF YOUR VOICE ABOVE A CERTAIN THREASH
OLD IN ORDER TO TRIGGER THE MIDI PITCH. REGARDS ALL, O. HENRY
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:57:18 EST
From:         Jon Crystal <OFABJC@UVMADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Emerald Web

For fans of Emerald Web and Barry Cleveland: "Aqua Regia", a really interesti
ng effort from 1985, was picked up by some "Art of Relaxation" type publisher,
and can be found discounted (cassette only) in many regular bookstores....
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