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From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Ferber/feeding babies at night
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:15:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


We have used Ferber's techniques several times during the past few
years - starting when our daughter was about 5 1/2 months and ending
when she was about 2.  The first time was the easiest, and it didn't
involve any crying.  People who don't like Ferber because of the
crying might want to try it if they're trying to get a baby to
stop nursing or taking a bottle in the middle of the night.

Ferber says that after a certain age and weight (about 6 months for
age) the baby doesn't need nighttime feedings for nutrition, but they
may have learned to depend on them to fall back asleep after the
natural waking that occurs each night.  Even though they don't need to
nurse for the food value, their stomachs have been trained to feel
hungry at that time, so the first step is to get them used to not
eating.  If the baby is breast-fed, he suggests keeping the baby on
each breast for one minute less each night.  The theaory is that as
they get less in their stomachs from each feeding, they'll be less
hungry each night.  After that, if you want to, you can work on ways
of getting the baby to do the final steps of falling sleep without
routines that can only be done by you.

I had no idea how long I was nursing Emma, but it was usually pretty
short, so I figured it at 5 minutes per side.  The first night we
tried 5 minutes on each side, just to set a baseline.  The next night
we did 4 minutes a side.  The third night we did 3 minutes a side.  On
the 3-minute-per-side night, she did fuss after being taken off the
breast, but at this stage Ferber recommends doing whatever you need to
to help the child go to sleep, so I rocked her for about 15-20 minutes
and then put her in her crib asleep.  The fourth night she slept 11
hours straight, for the first time ever, giving me my first night of
unbroken sleep in many months.  She continued to sleep through the
night until she got an ear infection.  The whole process was very
painless.

For bottle-fed babies, Ferber recommends 1 ounce less each night, or
making a weaker-strength bottle each night until after a few nights,
it's only water.

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Peg Perego strollers
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:33:09 GMT

In <1993Jan7.225454.7654@cs.sfu.ca> rozsa@cs.sfu.ca (Rozsa Eniko) writes:

> In some stores I came across with a Peg Perego stroller called
> Milano. 

I'd say that unless one of you is either very petite or has back
trouble, you probably don't need a stroller immediately upon the
arrival of your baby.  A kangaroo-style front carrier lasted two
months for us.

We got the Peg Perego (one model down from the Milano; forget the
name).  You probably saw us in the store --- you know, overeducated 
thirtysomething couple, excitedly expecting their first child,
"Only the best is good enough for our future darling", carefully
analyzing the features of baby products, tattered copies of product
reviews trailing from their pockets....

It's certainly a nice robust piece of engineering and manufacturing.
But it turns out we didn't touch it (literally didn't take it out of
the box) for the first two months.   Now we're beginning to use
the stroller mainly as an indoor chair: We can prop our daughter up
into a sitting position and wheel the stroller around to where she can
watch us as we cook or work around the apartment.  We'll probably
start taking it on outside walks soon, because she's beginning to get
a bit heavy for the front carrier, and she's too little to sit up in a
backpack carrier.

One nice feature that you probably won't use (April baby and mild
Vancouver climate) is that the hood can be pulled way down, leaving
only a small slit through which the baby can observe the world.  In
this configuration, although the stroller begins to resemble some kind
of sinister little armored vehicle, I suspect the occupant would be
snug and happy even in a howling blizzard.

If you don't need foldability (i.e. if you don't put the stroller in
and out of the car and if you have storage space) then folks around
here seem to recommend the old-fashioned bassinet-on-wheels type
carriage -- the large wheels can't be beat for city walking.

And, if you can manage to survive on front- and back- carriers until
the baby is old enough to sit up, then you can get a much lighter
folding stroller.  --- a lot of what you pay for with the Milano and
competitors is the convertability --- the reclining seat mechanism
that enables them to accomodate both infants and older babies.









Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: patti@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (stankovich,patricia a)
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:46:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.152145.20666@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.211134.29675@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>I tried to post this earlier but I don't think it made it.  Excuse me
>>if it did and I didn't see it.
>>
>>It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
>>had mine (22 years ago!).
>>
>>What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
>>I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
>>to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>  This is confusing, as the books will say they don't need
>  water, but every mother and mother-in-law will say to give
>  them water.
>
>  Apparently 22 years ago, the formula was more concentrated.
>  Nowadays, if you read the label, the formulas are 86% water!
>
>  If anyone knows of a better explanation, please tell us!
>
It's funny this should be brought up now.  When my son
was born on 9/5, he was slightly jaundiced.  My mother
insisted that we give him water to help clear up the
jaundice.  So, we asked the doctor.  He said basically
the same as you did:  both breast milk and formula are
mainly water.  By giving him additional water all we
would be doing was filling him up so he wouldn't eat
enough.  As it was he wasn't nursing very well and gained
weight very slowly.
From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:08:15 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

There is a small waiting area with a kid-size picnic table and lots of
Duplo blocks in the Phoenix airport (near the Southwest gates).  I haven't
seen any kid-friendly waiting areas at LAX.

ann

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Cute Things They Do (5 y.o.)
Reply-To: guthrie@maravich.nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:45:44 GMT

My just turned 5 yo daughter entered the dining room last night
where my husband was sitting.  She offered up her backpack with 
a grouchy look on her face and said " I can't zip it I've tried
shaking it and EVERYTHING".  After her dad zipped it her comment
was "Oh, *NOW* I know what it needed... It needed a Daddy". :-)

Gotta love'em.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: "inguinal hernia/infant surgery/gen anesthesia" FAQ
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:05:25 GMT

As of this morning, I believe I have caught up with all requests for
the misc.kids Inguinal Hernia/Infant Surgery/General Anesthesia FAQ.
If you requested it, but haven't received it, assume that I haven't 
gotten your request and try again.

And while I'm here :-).  If anyone has experiences, tips, advice, etc.
that might be of interest/comfort to people requesting this FAQ, please
drop me a line (address below).

Thanks, as always!

Ken
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From: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Request for Toilet training FAQ
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:34:39 GMT
Reply-To: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.kids, suresh@nls2.nlm.nih.gov (Suresh Srinivasan) writes:
>Could someone please mail me a copy of the
>toilet training FAQ.  

Me, too.  Could you send one to me also?

>Thanks in advance.
>
Same here.  Thanks.

					    Sincerely,
					    Fred Wyse
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@kokab.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: mommy's shadow, (was Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives)
Keywords: long
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:34:48 GMT

In article <8JAN199312252557@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.191854.15050@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes...
>> 
>>Any ideas on getting her just a little more independent.  (I miss
>>interacting with my husband.)
>> 
I know this sounds crazy, but have another child.  Mitchell became much more
independent after the birth of Erin, mostly because I couldn't wait for him
to ascend all the stairs to the nursery when she was crying.  I had to go get
her then.  (We were house sitting in what my husband nicknamed "the 
mausoleum" at the time).  

Of course, then two years from now you'll have another clingy toddler and
wonder how to make them more independent ;-)  But with Erin, though she is
still clingy she loves playing with her brother (and fighting with her 
brother) so we get longer respites than we did with just one child at the
clingy toddler stage.  Of course when they start fighting over me, it loses
its charm ;-)

>Sigh. I guess in a few years I'll be nostalgic about these days. 8-)
>
>                                 Patti Twigg

Yeah, right!


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Pre-marital blood test
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:11:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.104802.6733@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>In article <C0I5w4.D41@inews.Intel.COM>, vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Also it is possible for the measles vaccination to wear off.  I was vaccinated
>> as a child but discovered I no longer had the immunity when I had my pre-
>> marital blood test a few years ago and had to be revaccinated.  One of my
>> girlfriends has had to be vaccinated several times.  So perhaps the moms
>> aren't passing on the immunity (though the breast milk I assume you meant) 
>> because they, themselves are no longer immune.
>> 
>> Valerie
>
>
>What is a pre-marital blood test? I've never heard of anything like that
>over here. What happens if you fail? :-)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  It tests for VDRL and rubella immunity.  I don't know what happens if
  you fail.  I suppose you get treated and then retested!  In some states
  there is an optional HIV test also.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sara@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Amoxicillin Rash?
Originator: sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: sara@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin


When my son got a similar rash from Amoxicillin, the
doctor said he was allergic to it.  Now my son doesn't
take any related drugs.  I'm going to call my pediatrician
to see if she is familiar with "amoxicillin rash".
-- 
Sara Blatt
internal:	sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
external:	sara@netmail.austin.ibm.com
My opinions are my own, not necessarily IBM's!
From: atkins@stimpy.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:20:26 GMT
Subject: Pointer to Edu Games reply
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids

This is a pointer to a reply I posted to my request about information
on sound cards and educational games in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games and
comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: American Math. Society
	<C0EJG2.4xv@SSD.intel.com> <1993Jan6.022253.22373@ulysses.att.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:56:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.022253.22373@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

   >One of the concerns about the vaccine is that the extent of the protection
   >isn't known.  Chickenpox in children is almost completely benign, but it's
   >between very unpleasant and quite serious in adults.  Trading a mild
   >illness for a serious one 30 years later is no bargain!

   >If you're concerned about your own immune status, ask your physician
   >to test for the appropriate antibodies.

Speaking from experience, I'd look into this vaccine if you are an
adult who has not had chickenpox.  I contracted it when I was 29, and
there was no vaccine or antiviral treatment available.  It was VERY
VERY BAD.  Just my $.02.




-Alan Harder                
 ash@math.ams.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Subject: Re: Turning a breech baby
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:00:20 GMT


I'd be
interested in hearing from anyone whose baby didn't turn, and who did
have a vaginal delivery.  My 3rd child was breech at 38 weeks - we were
getting ready to attempt to turn her - but my midwife & the doctors she
worked with didn't even discuss a C-section.  Is it only because it was
my 3rd, and I'd already had 2 8+ lb. babies?  Before that time, I thought
that a breech automatically meant a C-section.  (I gave a lot of thought
to the pain involved in having a breech baby vaginally...I'm glad I didn't
have to experience it first hand!)  Has anyone had a breech baby vaginally?

Valerie

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pattern Recognizers, Memory, etc. [was: toddler memory]
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:27:30 GMT
	<1993Jan5.142724.25738@ulysses.att.com>
Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: smb@research.att.com's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:27:24 GMT

smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

   Our kids have also shown amazing abilities to recall things.  For example,
   Daniel once asked me to get a duck Fuzzy Friend down from the top of a
   closet.  The last time it had been there was two years earlier, when
   we were living in a different house and Daniel was 9 months old!

My daughter does this sort of thing, too.  But what _really_ amazes me
is her ability to find things, particularly in a cluttered field.

The canonical example was our experience with the Waldo books.  We
started getting her the books when she was about 2.5-3.  It was
immeditately clear that she was an order of magnitude better better
than the my wife or I (or the other adults who played with the books).
She was able to find the Waldos --and other gizmos-- in situations
where my wife and I _never_ found them.

What brings all this to mind was an incident last weekend.  I got a
neat jigsaw puzzle for Xmas (basically it's a full size photo of an
ornate wall-clock, complete with piece-glue, clockworks and hardware
so that it's actually a working clock when it's finished).

Anyway, I started to work on this thing last Saturday.  I had finished
a good-sized chunk of the base, but I was missing one piece in the
middle which I had searched for in vain.

I had about 400 of the pieces (out of a total of 1000) in the box lid,
when Maera --who'll be 6 in FEB-- casually walks up to the table,
looks into the box, reaches in, pulls out the missing piece, hands it
to me and says "Here Daddy, this goes over there".  (Up 'til then
she'd been over playing with her younger sister and not paying any
attention to what I'd been doing.)

Needless to say, I almost fell off my chair.

I've always wondered if these sorts of abilities are some aspect of
the pattern recognizers that a young child needs, say, to learn
language with.  Something that seems to go away as one matures[sic].

Nichael

(One other thing she always used to do to us, particularly when she
was younger: we'd be driving, say in downtown Boston, and she start
saying "Look a cow!"  And we'd mutter something like "Sure, kid..."
But she'd be insistent and eventually we'd follow her gaze and there,
up in some office up on the 25th floor would be toy cow that someone
had propped up in their window.)
From: linda@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Linda Boatright)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Women Stuff
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:47:37 GMT
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

I know this item doesn't belong here but I couldn't seem to find an
appropriate group in my .newsrc file to post to, so here goes:

Have any women out there dealt with cervical dysplasia and/or
cervicitis in the past?

Has anyone ever had cryosurgery (freezing of the cervix) or 
laser or leep?

Thanks in advance!

Linda
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: celia@plato.ds.boeing.com (celia:/bin/csh Celia H Modell)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:09:34 GMT

In article <JGJ.93Jan5095143@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) 
>|> Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
>|> *anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
>|> taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
>|> constitution as part of a class?  I know I never had such a class.
>|> I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
>|> grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
>|> amendments from memory.

Do they still require civics classes? Yes, I did study the
constitution and bill of rights in classes (American history as well
as civics). Some of the classes were well taught encouraging us to
think about the freedoms we enjoy and what they mean to us. Others
were of the recite the words sort.      

We really enjoyed seeing one of the original bill of rights copies
when it toured through here last year. It was a great chance to talk
to our 8 year old about freedoms and what the constitution/bill of
rights are and what we feel they mean to us.

celia
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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:40:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1993Jan11.185010.377@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
> Well, for eye drops, there is a better method. I thought it was
> pretty well known & someone else would post.  Anyway, put the
> baby (or older child for that matter) in a prone position --
> have the drops in the dropper ready to go.  When the eye is
> closed, put the drops in the inside corner of the eye (next to
> the nose) and slightly tilt the head toward the outside corner
> of the eye.  Generally the child will blink and the drops get 
> in pretty painlessly.  You can use other tricks to relax/distract, 
> but the basic technique works pretty well.

This is even more difficult than I had imagined...."put the baby in a prone
position"....okay, face-down and ready to go, what's the next step?  :-)

What? You meant supine, not prone?

(Stupid joke, yeah, I know, but more uplifting than reading about the Schoo 
case, at any rate.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jjones@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Julianne Jones)
Subject: UCal Benefit plans (HMOs)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:11:13 GMT

P.S. I am particularly interested in the quality of the doctors
associated with each HMO.


Xref: sparky misc.kids:31650 alt.pagan:15012
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:20:50 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
>christening?
>
>My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>and I'm agnostic.
>
>Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>sort, with participation by godparents.  
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>- Peggy -

Why not invent some sort of naming ceremony ?  Think about what your
reasons are for wanting a Christening of some sort - to name the
child, to welcome him/her, to introduce him/her to your family and
friends ? - then write something that lets you do this.  Maybe you
want to express your hopes for your childs future.  Or thank your own
parents for bringing you up (if thats appropriate), or thank the
friends and relatives who have supported you through the pregnancy and
birth.
You or your husband, or both, or the chosen Godparents, could officiate.  
Godparents are traditionally
entrusted with the childs spiritual and moral education, and in the
past would take in the child in the event of the parents death.  Is
this the role you envisage ?  If so, you could ask 
the godparents to commit to this as part of
your ceremony.  If you envisage another role, do something that will
fit it.  

My personal view (as a Christian of the pedobaptist persuasion, for
the record) is that you shouldn't go mimicking a Christian
Christening, since that's not what you want.  Be creative and
invent something that suits you and your child.

Hope this helps

Alison
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:09:43 GMT

Jeff Jackson writes: 

>|> Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
>|> *anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
>|> taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
>|> constitution as part of a class?  I know I never had such a class.
>|> I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
>|> grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
>|> amendments from memory.

In eighth grade US history, we certainly did read the US Constitution
(this was in Califronia, in about 1972). In twelfth grade American Government
(what they called Civics in 1976), we read it again and did a series
of lessons on the rights in the Bill of Rights.

Why?

Marcy

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