From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:50:37 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <SYNTH.92Jul28193941@deepthought.unm.edu>, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:

> 
> BZZZT.  Quite the contrary, I find the evidence plausible and
> enlightening.  Just what *is* the evidence?  That rape fantasies and
> other fantasies are common in both genders.  That fantasies can heighten
> intimacy.  That too much fantasy can distance you from your partner.
> That separating fantasy from reality is important.  And that the
> scientific community does not know enough about fantasy to say whether
> any certain kind is normal and another abnormal:
> 
> --
> [New York Times, February 28, 1984: "Sexual Fantasies: What Are Their
> Hidden Meanings?"]
> [...]
>    ''Our knowledge of sexual  fantasies  is about where our data on 
> masturbation was 50 years ago, pre- Kinsey, '' [Dr. David Barlow, SUNY
> Albany] said. ''We don't really know what the usual, normal pattern
> looks like. There are probably large numbers of people who think they're 
> abnormal, but as we get better data, we'll probably find that the normal
> range of people's  fantasies  is even more diverse than we realize now.''
> --

Seems to me like this is saying the 'normal' range is even more 'unusual' than
we perceive.

>    
>>> My guess is that your fantasy of humiliating 
>>> your ex is really just simple revenge, and does not involve some sense
>>> of satisfaction in giving her lasting emotional and psychological
>>> scarring, loss of intimacy or sociability, recurring nightmares, etc.
>>> (Or does it ...?)  
> 
> dc> Wrong Synth. The asnwer as to why I enjoy this fantasy is every
> dc> bit as simple as why you enjoy ANY of your sexual fantasies.
> 
> Evading the question AGAIN.  I love it.

Quite the contrary. I DID answer it. But, as I explained it poorly, (tried to
get you to realize it was like any other fantasy!) I will explain what I get
out of it--

SEXUAL GRATIFICATION!!!!
A SPENT STIFFY!!!
WONEDERFUL ORGASM!!!
BLISSFUL REST!!!

This is NO different than a fantasy about that cute blonde at the rec center
where I envison her going down on me!!! Would you ever ask me what I got out of
THAT fantasy??? If I said I fantasized about pounding it between Christy
Canyons tits, would you sit back and ask me what about it gave me a thrill?

Repeat to yourself--no difference between reasons for sexual fantasies...no
difference...no difference...

And, if you want to know why I enjoy fantasies that YOU don't enjoy, I'll
explain why right after you tell me whether or not you like the tatste of
liver, and then explain WHY you have the preference. (And, in case you miss the
point of where THAT question is going, I will then ask you to explain in
scientific terms what causes you to prefer or dislike liver. Eventually, you
will say, "Because that is how it tastes to me!" THEN, I will draw the analogy
back and ask you how can you expect me to explain the deep reasons for my
preferences in sexual fantasies when you can't even explain it about the food
you eat. Hopefully, by that point, you will begin to relaize that somethings
are just a matter of preference.

> 
> 
> dc> I'll tell you in intimate detail. I'll let you know every
> dc> lurid detail.  I have told details.  You want exact plot?
> 
> No, I don't want plot or details; I want to know what you're feeling;
> what is being *satisfied* in your mind when you dream of this?
                                                  ^^^^^
						fantasize

What is being satisfied in my mind is my dick in my hand.

> 
> Your answer, please.  If you don't *want* to discuss it to me/others,
> SAY SO.  But evade it one more time and I have to question your ability
> or willingness to introspectively confront your emotions, attitudes and
> base motivations.  Can you do it?

Totally. Already have. It is YOU who can not accept that some things can not be
answered outside of one's self EXCEPT by analogy that gives one the ability to
take a somewhat analogous human internal experience and relate it to another
human's internal experience. 

Maybe after you explain, in scientific reasons, why you like or dislike liver,
in such a way that a person without any sense of taste can understand it, 
you will have invented language that I can then use to make you understand my 
preferences.

Although, without telepathy, I don't think it can be done.

DC


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