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From: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley)
Subject: Re: alt.rap
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:54:00 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu


In article <92289.090355U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>, Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

Yo fellaz, not to beat this in the head, but the post sounded like she was 
baiting us to make fools of ourselves, and WE BIT THE HOOK!!

One thing that I see time and again during the school year is people coming in
to alt.rap and dissing it with all their might. If they really hated rap, they
probably wouldn't subscribe to the group - why waste their time talking about
music that they have no desire to listen to, unless they want true info and/or
wanna start commotion because they have nothing better to do? We don't have
anything that we need to defend; we like rap/hip-hop/whatever, and regardless
of any ignorant person that wants to complain to us otherwise, we have no need
to cuss them out in return. If it doesn't feel right to just let it pass, then
send personal email (as one other person on here already said) instead of
clogging up space on alt.rap and making us look like screaming, yelling, 
f*cking fools. 

Of course, these are my own humble opinions, and anybody out there, feel free
to flame. But as an example to back up my point, I tried to diss Streetfighter
II on alt.games.sf2, and got no response in return. 
(Even worse 'cause I actually had something worthwhile that I wanted to ask
them). Perhaps if we try this "no response in return" method, we'll get less
posts dissing rap for no apparent reason, 'cause then they'll know not to post
some wack trash like that again. 

As always, peace out to my brothers and sisters (of all races)...

==AD
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Keywords: sucks
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct7.010509.29999@pellns.alleg.edu>, leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee) writes...
>Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!

check out brand new heavies cowboy
From: gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Chrysalis Recrds?
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:39:32 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

Yo,
	I picked up Arrested Development, and found out that they are
on the same label as Innocence.  Anyone got any other news about who else 
is on the Chrysalis label?  ( I realize a lot of U think AD sucks shit, but
hey, to each his/her own.....)
	Also, on the "equality" tip of AD- anyone got pointers where I kan 
find rap that doesn't equate women with bitches?  I've looked, but I haven't
found... Sure, there are a few songs by a few artists, but eventually it 
boils down to 'dem bitches'.
	Last thang- Wassup with the Brit label Talkin Loud?  Anyone dig them?
Anyone hear of them?  N E 1 give a shit? :-)

Out like Bushwipe in November,
 
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From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: CHit
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:28:48 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Hmmm....checked out da new Lench Mob today, and it is crazy! Especially 
dug _Freedom got an AK_  Now I gotta round up some cash and pick it 
up...chit CD's are nuff expensive up here in E-Town...LM CD is $27.oo 
[Canadian]...Is the new PE home video out now [Tour of a Live Planet] I 
read about it while I was in Seattle, but it was sold out...

Anyone seen the video for _You Must Learn_ by BDP? I was flippin' thru 
some REAL OLD video tapes and came across this video...is the version 
that KRS-One did for this video available on tape/cd/vinal? It was like a 
mix with extra lyrics, and a dope beat...

Also wondering about the new _Paris_ album...read somethin' about it 
being delayed since the cover of the album was not appropriate..

[The Real Holy Place is Mental!!]

Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <eR4gsB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes...
>- 	Look at the rap in ads for St.Ides and RedBull, for example.  DOOPE!
>- For example, the EricB and Rakim one (ST.IDES) and all the Ice Cube ones,
>- ESPECIALLY the new one which peeps a song off Cube's new album talking about
>- St.Ides.  (Have you heard it yet?  The production is identical to the Bomb
>I
>I heard that Cube pulled his ads for St.Ides since he is rollin' with the 
>NOI...any truth to this rumor?
> 

	Not that I can see.  I still he his ads running and new Cube/St.Ides
posters at liquor stores.  Plus, his newest radio ad is a song off his new
album (coming Nov.3), where he talks about supporting St.Ides, "cuz last
year they gave about a hundred G / to the black community...".  The song
is short but definately DOPE++.  I had to tape it to listen to it
over and over and over and...

							aMIL
From: fedde@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: The horseshit post......
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:58:34 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: oslo.docs.uu.se

sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich) writes:

>Anyone think that we should contact Allegany college's system administrator
>and tell them about that asshole's post.  

No...I think we shouldn't even give a fuck. We are just wasting bandwith over
this...why waste more time on a person like that. Just let him be...

>It seemed derogatory and very out of line.

Yes, but people have a freedoom to be what they be. He wants to be like that
let him be. I didn't like what he wrote either, but why bother?

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap,misc.forsale,comp.music
From: d9mj@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Scott Coolness)
Subject: WANTED : Sampler for studio applications
Summary: WANTED sampler for studio/midi apps.
Keywords: sampler midi music wanted rap studio
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:31:45 GMT

Wanted sampler, rack mounted S900, S950 S1000 or similer spec machine...
For use in rap/hip-hop studio productions.

Also, Wanted, keyboard/sampling/workstations.. Esoniq types...

Leave mail via this account or contact
Mike @ Twilight Productions, (516) 377-3587...

Ready to purchase...
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: name that tune
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

ok, its hard to hum a tune on the net, but what the hell...
hmmm hmmmm hmmmm hmm hmm hmm hmmmm hm hm hm hmmmmmmhmmmmmhmmmmmm?
sound familiar?

just kidding.

the jam is from way back old school stuff, like sugarhill gang, treacherous 
three, etc.  only they are not the ones who did it, although the artists were
on sugarhill...i remember the song being on a sugarhills sampler or some such
about 10-12 years ago.  its driving us crazy trying to remember who did it.
we cant even find it in the mighty dj king lando archives of 12 inch hip hop
monster jams.

but seriously folks, heres a description:

it starts out with the rappers singing a la force md's (but it wasnt them 
either) and it does sound a wee little bit like the gilligans island theme,
but the only music with the singing (which lasts about 15 seconds) are
some chimes/bells.  then, the rappers try to harmonize and finish the
singing with 'we're on the raaaa-diiii-ooooooooooo' (thats 'radio');
as soon as the 'ooooo' part is done, they drop a beat and rap through
the rest of the jam. as you can guess, it is about them getting on the
radio.

hip hop rue blue question of the year:
who were these guyz?
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Tours
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 00:17:12 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

DO Boogie Down Productions or Poor Righteous Teachers or Ice Cube do 
tours?? If so, do they ever make it to Western Canada?? I wonder what 
kinda response I would get if I was to write to 'em and let 'em know 
there is a BIG rap following here in E-Town...


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: More rap reviews?
Summary: DomestoCentricityBegone!
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:40:54 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
|In article <...>, superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes...
|> 
|> The discussion on this newsgroup seems to 95% be about American rap.
|> [...] I've been thinking about
|> reviewing non-US hip-hop to make it better known on the net. I'll focus on
|> British rap [...]
:
|	If the shit is available in the US, go ahead.  But if not, not many
|people will make it past your first few reviews, because theres really no
|point of hearing about this and that UK rapper, when we can never hear the
|music. 

Can you rearrange these letters into a well know word? O T R P I M

|	Better, what you should is write a post or two about UK rap or
|whatever in general.  Like an article on everything.  

Can you rearrange these letters into a well know word? U D H

|	Juss a suggestion...................................aMIL

Tx. [albeit not a very good one]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: More rap reviews?
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:46:56 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes:


> The discussion on this newsgroup seems to 95% be about American rap.
> It's natural cuz most contributors and rappers are from the US. But
> are you interested in non-US rap music? I've been thinking about
> reviewing non-US hip-hop to make it better known on the net. I'll focus on
> British rap but if I find other interesting material I'll write a line or two
> about it.
> 
> If you're interested let me know and I'll post the first review as soon as
> possible. I'm planning to review Stereo MC's latest effort.

Ironicly Stereo Mc's no longer raps, they sing!
Should be something for rec.music.funky? instead.

Please Do non-US reviews, Candidates:
Son of Noice LP
Killa Instinkt EP
100% Proof EP
Newer Cold Sweat-releases etc.

-Palle

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Gangsta Rap
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.112550.3040@wkuvx1.bitnet> kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos) writes:

>I can agree with this to a certain extent.  The better gangsta rappers
>address specific problems (Ice Cube, Ice T, etc).  The main problem as
>I see it is money being pulled out of our cities in the past ten years
>or so.  I know money isn't everything, but there are all sorts of
>programs (and especially *education*; anyone see Donahue this morning?)
>dealing with the cities that have been drained to fund the HUD and S&L 
>bailouts, not to mention the overly immense military budget.
>
>The real question is, come November 3rd, what are you going to do
>about it?

Get the Devils out of the White House. "If you leave it up to me, I'd paint
the White House black." :)

A reminder: Too many people out there are looking for government to help the
people, and government cannot help people.  People have to help people.  The
government just controls the money, and it may never do that great a job.
The only thing we can do is voice our opinions and vote.  Hey, it's our
government, ain't it?




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From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:16 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <fedde.718415156@Moskva>, fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>
>UGH??!? Hiphop is about taking from other albums already, you know. If you
>add something new to it, as X-Clan did on theirs, it's dope enough to keep me
>happy...
>
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)

Yeah, but there should be some sort of limit.  If you can sit there and play
"Name That Beat From Someone Else's Hip-hop Album less than a year ago" with
a good portion of the album?!?!  Especially when most of the stuff that they
do that is original, or at least I can't remember hearing it, is dope!  Look
at "Fire & Earth"?  Now I'm not saying that this was or was not original, but
my point is that you didn't immediately go, "Isn't that the same beat from
what's his name's album?"  And within a minute, you fill in the name!  Even
if the beats weren't as good, doesn't using beats already fresh in your mind
take away from the song just as much as a song with a mediocre beat?

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Say Whut?  The review
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:00:04 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct13.204132.2328@bvc.edu> juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:
>Psycho Ward sets the mood for the album.  I was reminded of the Poppa Large
>video while I was listenin to this intro.  The therapist is telling Redman to
>focus his mind, then Redman yells "Nineteen ninety
>two!  Straight from Jersey the phillie blunt man's on!  Yo D(?) tell 'em how

	* did you get the censored tape or whut? *

>the shit's goin down"
>And the shit goes down. 

>This song is actually an ode to safe sex, as Redman kicks the tale of he
>and Erick Sermon caught HIV from this fly looking female.

	Yeah, Erric already had his draws down. Redman is one of da best
lyricists around. 

>right forward to Pete Rock's funky jam How to Roll a Blunt.

	I forgot this psycho-jam! "told the bitch [yeah, it's one of THOSE
albums] to pick up every seed of it"

>Well, I'm not too experienced at writing reviews, but I hope y'all liked this
>little jam.  
 
Yep yep yep.

>I gotta be audi, so until next time, PEace!




-- 
Patrice Simon
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From: 6nikas_h@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: alt.rap
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:08:24 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Rap sucks bigtime!  Rap musicians have no talent, but they make it big because 
of all the stupid idiots that go out there and buy their fucking albums.  What
happen to learning how to play guitar, bass, drums, piano, and other 
instruments that require learning!  What happened to writing music and lyrics
that make sense!  Rock and Roll, Heavy Metal, Classic Rock, Jazz, Alternative,
and Classical music, is the only true music out there.  Rap can be prejudist
against whites, laws, promotes violence, drugs, and especially GANGS!!!
Also some of these motherfuckers talk about rock as being the devils music,
and they say they respect women...when in there damn videos they degrate women
and show their big buts...(Baby got back-what ever his motherfucking name is).
Rap is stupid, and most people who do this, go in the business for easy money.
No offence to blacks, I'm not prejudice, but just about every black person out
there can rap!  I'm sure you'll agree!  I know this one black guy who is in my 
friends band and he has tallent, he plays bass in this trush group, and yes 
there are black people, Hispanics, Indians that do listen to rock, metal, 
alternative music aout there and are in bands.  Rock and metal is a universal 
music!  Rap artists like Ice-Cube promote racism, like his new video, "Stay 
true to the game!"...in this video he takes this black guy away from his white 
girlfriend, and says that a black person must stick with his one kind!!!  He 
should be executed...we don't need rap artists like him, in this day and age we 
are trying to promote equallity, these type of groups don't help!!!  Some of 
these assholes talk about gangs and killing eachother, what the fuck is that 
all about, is that a positive message!  I don't want to here about Heavy Metal 
being Satans music because it isn't.  Just because you see the word blood and 
evil in the lyrics, it don't meen it's satanic, if you weren't so ignorant you 
would read the lyrics and figure out the damn meening, the lyrics are like 
poetry...you got to read them carefully and if you are open-minded you would 
understand!!!  If you don't like what I just wrote to bad...your are probably 
a ignorant and a prejudist!!!  And yes I am a girl!
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Prince
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:10:08 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bw42q1.DDs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v089l3s3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeremy B Horwitz) writes:

>In article <Bw3H7F.5tu@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes...
>> 
>>	Has anyone heard that new Prince album yet?  Its not hip-hop,
>>but its not bad.  Its right along the lines of _Diamonds And Pearls_,
>>but is a lot funkier and has more rap tied into it.

I don't know if O-|-> is that much funkier than D&P.  I gave it a listen last
night, and it certainly has its funky spots (My Name Is Prince, Sexy MF, The
Sacrifice of Victor, 7), but some of it has other influences, especially the
reggae sound in "Blue Light" and that messed-up Opera "3 Chains O' Gold". (Was
the purple one trying to recreate "Bohemian Rhapsody" or what?)

>Not much rap... I bought it y-day. It has its good parts and, well, I
>wouldn't say "bad" parts as much as I'd say songs that I can't get
>into because of my mood. I'm a big Diamonds and Pearls fan, and this
>one comes close at first listen, but may be equal after I hear it a
>few times.

I doubt I'll ever find it equal to D&P, but it has its moments.  Of course,
half of the D&P stuff I listen to comes from the mad fly "Cream" 12" single.
That single may be Prince's funkiest.

A couple of things I noticed about O-|-> 

- "7" is now the fifth song I've heard lately that samples Lowell Fulson's
"Tramp".  As I've noted before, Cypress Hill, De La Soul, EPMD and 
FU-Schnickens all tagged on to that beat.

- To my dismay, Rosie Gaines is gone.  She was one of the more soulful members
of the band, and I hope she comes out with something else soon.  I heard about
her feud with Prince a while back, and I thought it might have broken up the
NPG, but the rest of the band is still around.

- What's the deal with "The Crown Princess of Cairo"?  Is that the new girl
that joined the band just to look sexy or what?  And is she really 16 years
old, as Vanessa Bartholomew (played in true smartass form by Kirstie Alley)
claims, or is Prince just screwing with heads again?
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From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Understanding Hip Hop
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:12:03 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:

>In article <fedde.718651552@Minsk>, fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes...
>>Madison J. Gray <34LI4E6@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>> 
>>>But in order to understand the black experience, you hav to have lived 
>>>the black experience, and in most cases that means being black.
>> 
>>Man...are you saying whites cannot understand this music to the full length
>>of it? What a load of crap, if that is what you mean! I have been listening
>>to this type of music from its VERY, VERY start, and I love it so much, that
>>when a dope beat comes on, it even seems to affect me physically sending wierd
>>feelings over my body. I call that an experience of this music and I don't
>>have to be black to feel it. 
>> 
 
Since I am more like Fredde than Fedde is I'll join the discussion,

>	Fredde, what I think he means is that since you're white, you
>CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE BLACK, and understand the
>"black experience" fully.  THATS THE TRUTH, even if you dont believe that.

 Absolutely the truth, you cannot fully understand the meaning of beeing called
 Nigger without being one!  
 Eaven though the word "nigger" is more of a metafore.

>Since hip-hop music incorporates so much of being black, and it is 
>primarily aimed for blacks, being white removes you one level, whether you
>like it or not. 

 Being a white upper-class stupid ass ignorant blunt is as far 
 away you'll get. (like W.I.) :-()

Its not a question of racism, though.  Sure, you can 
>understand what they are saying in the lyrics, but some of it you cant
>relate to because you just aint black! 

 Well you can relate to it in your own way, nigger can in some cases 
 for someone be translated to 'Hammarkulle-pack' (that is if you 
 live in Hammarkullen, Angered, Gothenburg, Sweden) 

<<<ZAPP>>>

>							       aMIL

Well just some thoughts.

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