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From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Any good photo magazine atall???
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:33:05 GMT

In article <1bkn0tINN409@crcnis1.unl.edu> ablum@unlinfo.unl.edu (abraham blum) writes:
>Why is there no worthwhile high-quality american photo magazine - or 
>is there one?


Well, personally, I really like ProPhoto (though it can be more difficult 
to find than other magazines). I just wished they published monthly, 
instead of bi-monthly.

Of course, none of the American magazines *seem* to have a decent 
article-to-advertisement ratio. Either the British magazines have a higher 
article ratio, or they distribute their ads well enough that I don't notice 
the quantity as much.

Alexandria

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From: mpc@biosys.apldbio.COM (Morgan Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Nikon N90 Features Summary
Summary: Why not an all mechanical EOS?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: mpc@apldbio.com (Morgan Conrad)
Organization: Applied Biosystems Inc, Foster City, CA

First, miller@sctc.com (Steven M. Miller) 
posts a nice feature list for the N90.  Then,
bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
correctly points out some deficiencies, and comments
> Seems Canon is the right way to go.

I might agree with him, except for one big-big
Nikon feature: "Are the lenses you are about to
spend lots of money on compatable with a small,
lightweight, quiet, robust and capable camera
that an old fuddy-duddy purist would love?" :-)

Will Canon ever come out with a no-motor-drive,
perhaps even no AF, camera that takes EF lenses?
Is some weird technical feature that I'm unaware of
that would prevent this?

I really think they'd have a definite market.
The lack of such a model pushed me into Nikons.

Morgan Conrad              Cthulu for President!
Applied Biosystems
mpc@apldbio.com            Why settle for
415-570-6667               the lesser evil?
From: twtan@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Tack Wee Tan)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Sigma 21-35mm VS. Tokina 20-35mm ??
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:51:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

twtan@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Tack Wee Tan) writes:

>	I'm considering either the Sigma 21-35mm or the 
>Tokina 20-35mm zoom lens. Both lenses are excellent from reviews. 
>The Tokina is 1mm wider than the Sigma and costs $60 less. But its 
>barrel distortion is considerably more than the Sigma. For those 
>of you who made a decision over one of the two lenses, could you give
>me a review on what you think of the lens and why you bought it?

>	If the barrel distortion of the Tokina does not differ too much
>from the Sigma, I'm inclined to buy the Tokina because it's 1mm wider and
>costs $60 less. 

>	All replies will be appreciated. Thanks.

	I accidently deleted all the replies to this letter, so for those
of you who replied to me, I'd REALLY appreciate it if you would write 
a thing or two again. SORRY about that.

Colin Tan
twtan@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: FREE! Kodak Slide Carousels + Slide Mounts
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:48:50 PST
Organization: BBS

Slide Carousels available for sale or donation

We have hundreds of slide carousels that are no longer 
needed, and are liquidating them from our storage locations. 
These industry standard carousels' primary use have been 
multi-image presentations.  Specs follow:

Kodak Ektagraphic Universal Slide Tray, Model 2
> Capacity:  Up to 80 2x2-inch (50x50mm) slides.
> Types of Mounts:  Cardboard, plastic, glass or metal mounts
    up to 1/8" (3.2mm) thick.
> Includes lock ring to keep slides from falling out.
> Use with all EKTAGRAPHIC and CAROUSEL (R) slide     
JJJJprojectors, plus all EKTAGRAPHIC AudioViewers and
JJJJAudioViewer Projectors.

It is estimated that we have in excess of 500 of these slide 
trays.  They are available FREE to interested non-profit 
organizations, or for $1 per tray to interested individuals or 
companies.

Each carousel contains from 0-80 (varies) reusable slide 
mounts in varying aspect ratios, highly usable for multi-
image presentations or custom slide mounting.

These slide carousels are available as a donation to any 
interested non-profit organization.  This includes schools and 
universities.  Any non-profit organizations are encouraged to 
take advantage of this offer.  Recipient takes responsibility for 
payment of shipping costs.  For details, call:

Raymond Ulibarri
Technical Services
Jack Morton Productions
350 Townsend Street
San Francisco, CA 94107
(415) 546-0800
(415) 495-3090 FAX


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
From: monson@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Ty Monson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: New (or Used) Views for Few$
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:32:42 GMT
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis

In article <1992Oct15.153551.6@spacm1.spac.spc.com> robertson@spacm1.spac.spc.com writes:
 (deletions)
>and I'm not wealthy, so I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive entry point
>into large-format.
>
>Here are the choices, as I see them.  Prices are what I've been quoted in
>
>SINAR A1 - Sinar's entry-level box, replacing the unlamented Alpina.  Camera
>    AND case $865.
>
>TOYO 45C - About $750, camera only.  Geared rise & fall.
>
>Calumet NX - $599, from Calumet, which has a retail store in Hollywood.
>
 (more stuff deleted)
>So I'm asking for comments, especially from those who have experience with the
>cameras mentioned.
>
>Also let me ask about field/technical cameras.  Do the relatively restricted
>movements hamper anyone's style?  I like the compactness of these, although
>the new prices are usually somewhat higher than the general-purpose machines.

  First - there are good used cameras that come on the market from
	  time to time. You need to be patient, alert and ready to 
	  commit to a deal when you find something that fits your needs.
	  Requires lots of "homework." Have you checked SHUTTERBUG?

  Second - you really need to determine whether a studio camera or a field
	   camera will best suit your needs. You said you had limited
	   funds, so I presume you will not buy both. I like a studio
	   camera, but it is really a pain to use anywhere but home.  
	   If you are going to be out and about, REALLY consider a field
	   camera. As others may tell you, the most likely limitation
	   you will encounter with a field camera is length of bellows 
	   draw, and that depends on the make of the camera.

  Third - If you are going to go with a new studio camera, I will endorse
	  the Calumet 45NX. It is a good, solid camera built by Cambo.
	  The camera has plenty of movements, the controls are fairly
	  easy to use, and it offers lots of bellows draw. It seems to be
	  built with precision. The price isn't bad.
	  Calumet used to provide a package deal for
	  people just getting started in large format. It included camera,
	  lens, case, film holders, dark cloth lens wrap and a
	  few other items. Maybe Calumet doesn't offer the deal anymore,
	  but it would be worth your while to ask. (Do you have
	  the Calumet catalog? Useful to have.)
 
  Fourth - You asked about roll film holders. I know that
	   Calumet offers one that slides in like a sheet film holder.
	   It doesn't cost an arm & leg, but I don't have any first hand
	   experience with it. Also, I think there are a number of graflok
	   holders that you can buy for substantially less than the
	   $1300 you mentioned in your post.

  Finally - good luck.
From: bob@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Bob Easton)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:09:01 GMT
Subject: Re: U.K. (over)Pricing !
Organization: HP Response Centre, Berkshire, England.
Newsgroups: rec.photo

/ hpwin052:rec.photo / jkk@aiai.uucp (John Kingston) /  2:47 pm  Oct  8, 1992 /
In article <1992Oct7.121201.9771@news.ysu.edu> ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
>
>   Having recently purchased a Canon EOS 1000FN for 300 pounds
>I have been led to believe that the same camera is available
>in other , non-european, countries for a significantly 
>smaller amount, the same being true for EF lenses.
>   Are we in the U.K. being held to ransom by the importers ???
>Opinions Welcome !

As well as the US-UK price differential, there is also the fact the many
products on sale in the US aren't available over here....

I discovered (via notes) that Tamron do a Contax MM-fit mount that
allows you to use the program modes on later Contaxes. After getting no
joy out of the importers here, I got B+H to send me one (no hassle at
all, though I wouldn't buy anything large that way). Once I had one in my
hand I went back to Johnson's (the Tamron importers), and finally got a
second mount from them. Guess what...it was more expensive than the one
from the US. They still seem to have an issue with selling these mounts
over here, tho, and this weeks AP says you can't use the Contax programs 
with  Tamron lenses. Don't believe it, all (both?) you Contax users!

I also dicovered that the newly_on_sale Vivitar Q-DOS 3D lens was on
sale ages ago in the US - guess where they've dumped the unsold ones!

Bob
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hoyme@src.honeywell.com (Ken Hoyme)
Subject: Canon EF 24mm f2.8 versus Tokina 20-35mm f3.5-4.5
Originator: hoyme@darkstar.src.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center, Mpls. MN, USA.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:10:00 GMT

I am taking a trip soon which is causing me to want to buy a wide-angle
lense for my EOS-10S.  I was planning to buy the EF 24mm (and was
drooling about the newer 20mm USM).  However, in looking through the
adds I see that Tokina has a 20-35mm zoom for not much more money.  (And
Sigma has a 21-35mm f3.5 in the same range.)

I am interested in comments from folks regarding the trades between a
fixed versus zoom in this range.  Lense speed is an obvious one.  Can
anyone comment on the quality differences between the 3rd party zooms
against the Canon??  Better yet, does anyone have experience with one of
these zooms in the EOS mount??

Many thanks in advance for any info you can provide.  A quick response
by e-mail would be preferred.  I have to make my decision in the next
day or so to make sure I get it in time.  

Ken

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Can I "pull process" a film?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:58:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.032115.7474@seas.smu.edu> glossop@seas.smu.edu (Dr Neal Glossop) writes:
>I know, it was dumb.  I just shot a roll of 200 ASA colour print film
>at 100, including all of my flash settings etc.  Is there a way to
>get this developed so that it will work, or is that it?  It was Kodak Gold 200.
>
>Neil
>

You really shouldn't have anything to worry about. WHY? 
Color print film such as the one you used, has the tolerance
for 2-3 stops under/over, therefore, your lab should have no
problems during printing.  I recently shot, in purpose,
Kodak 100 at 200 and since this is affect a 1 stop over, the
prints came out great. Your 1 stop under, should not adversely 
affect your pictures, if fact, they "might" be better. :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Bulk Color Film Wanted
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:28:22 GMT

In article <718682902.0@altern8.mi> Ron.Gage@altern8.mi.org (Ron Gage) writes:
>    I am looking for a source of bulk (100') 35mm color print film other
>    than Kodak VHS/VHP.  Would prefer to get Ektar 100 or Ektar 1000.
>    Expired film if fine if well kept (refridgerated) and not too old
>    (less than 6 mos).
>
Freestyle in Los Angeles (800-292-6137) offers the following:

Konica 160 Color (similar to VPS)          $24.95/100 ft
Agfacolor Pro XRS 200                       24.98/100 ft
Arista 100 Color Print                      33.95/100 ft
                                            18.99/50 ft
Arista 400 Color Print                      44.95/100 ft
                                            23.95/50 ft
Fujicolor NSP 160                           24.99/100 ft

I wish that the "amateur" films such as Kodacolor Gold or Ektar were sold
in bulk, but Kodak chooses not to market them that way.  Does anyone know why?

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
From: elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Experience with Canon EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:43:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Oct5.201357.5558@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>In article <92277.141142IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO92112@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>> 
>> Another problem I have with this zoom is that its zoom ring is very loose.
>> When the zoom are hold at the verticle position, the zoom ring will slide
>> down. The EF 75-300mm/3.5 has the same problem.
>> 
>
>Unless my memory is fading (which it might be), I thought that the EF75-300
>had a ROTATING zoom control, not a push-pull control (like the 100-300L).
>Given this, it is hard to see how the zoom would slide in the vertical
>position. The push-pull zooms (from most lens makers) are prone to this
>"zoom creep" effect, but I've never seen it in lens which zooms via a 
>rotating ring. Maybe the "gearing" on these zooms is now so low that creep
>is possible. If you say it is there, then I believe you.
>
>===============================================================
>Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
>===============================================================

both the 75-300 and the non-L 100-300usm have rotating controls.  in the 
vertical position, the weight of the front element will cause the retracting
front part of the lens to "creep", and you will correspondingly see the zoom
ring rotate.  the 100-300 is worst than the 75-300.

eugene
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: Re: How to use Tech Pan?
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:07:42 GMT

I have shot mabey 10 rolls of tech-pan and I am thoroughly hooked. The developer
is a bitch. Technidol comes in small expensive packets, and has to be desolved
at a very high temp, and then cooled for use. Easiest to mix the batch up
a couple of hours before using :( but wait, don't mix it the day before, as
exposure to air for 12 hrs will screw it up :( :(. 

Once you get used to it, which I havent, there seems to be endless ways to play
with it. The developer is so sensitive, you can very the contrast by changing
the temperature, length of developing and even the duration and method of
agitation! The film is also incredibly thin, and likes to warp. So, its a pain
to develop, but for fine grain freaks, nothing comes close. 

When I looked in the literature to find how to handle this stuff, all 
references said it was 32 ASA (something like that), but the batch I have
in my fridge is all 135.?????

Good Luck.
David.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Sandi Fellman - Published Photos?
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:23:22 GMT

Does anyone know if Sandi Fellman, a New York fashion photographer, 
has a published collection of work, or if her work appears as part 
of an existing collection?

Not all of her work is for advertising (some is more "fine art") so 
I was hoping to find a collection someone. She works soley in large 
format Polaroid (somewhere around 20"x30") and creates wonderful, 
beautiful images.

Thanks.
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: FAQ format for Colour neg films
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:27:58 GMT

OK having opened my mouth... Here is a proposed format. Yell and scream now
before I start typeing the Kodak stuff I have.

Name  Process   Code   Day/tun   speed   RMS grain   Resolving power  Contrast
==============================================================================



Pt II

Code  Avail .AU  .US    Reciprosity ????????    coments....
===========================================================

This is for Colour camera neg stuff. B&W will need a separate format me thinks.


Anyone care to add, remove, comment?



~Paul

PS I forgot something I needed to add. Brain fade.
From: shendry@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Slamet Hendry)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: How is the light different at dawn and dusk?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw8JLG.2Mw
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct16.062002.15377@truevision.com> frank@truevision.com (Frank Loffel) writes:
>There is a clear difference in perception. After getting out of a cozy sleeping
>bag at 4.15 am, freezing to the bone and nothing in the stomach, fingers 
>too numb to remove a lens cap, the brain is not as perceptive to that fine
>scenery about to be captured for eternity. When the sun finally rises, you
>stare at it and wait for the faint rays to warm your poor body.
>That's one of the reasons why I find it harder to take pictures in the early 
>morning.
>
>-- Frank Loffel, Truevision, Inc., uunet!epicb!frank frank@truevision.com :-)

The other side of the coin is, when I'm shooting during late afternoon,
I feel like rushed to beat the sunset. Whereas during the morning, I
know that the light will not go away, although it may not be as nice.
Does any of the pro has any tip on this?

- Slamet Hendry

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: rec.photo "netiquette" list - FAQ addition - Good idea???
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:06:33 GMT

In <1992Oct14.173713.27517@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:

>If the reply to a posting doesn't contain information of general interest
>(e.g. What kind of battery should I use in my Olympus XA?), then reply by
>e-mail rather than by a posting.

Actually, any civilized news reader should allow you to kill messages with
a common subject line.  This isn't a big deal to me.  However, it would be
nice to have people update the subject line when they follow some tangent
from some article.

In a nutshell, keep subject lines closely related to the main body of the
article!

>Any other suggestions, corrections? Is this a good idea?

Sounds like a great idea.

ACS
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From: atomas@geloser.login.qc.ca (J-F Bissonnette)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Ektar vs. Gold
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:56:52 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:

> |>   I had just the opposite results.  The Ektar came out great and the Reala
> |> came out flat and dull and crappy.
> 
> Are you looking at the negatives or the prints?  I suspect that most
> photo labs don't do customize their processes for Reala and Ektar (as
> the file companies would like them to), thus the random results.  For a
> meaningful comparison, try sending your Ektar stuff to Kodak and your
> Reala stuff to Fuji.
> 
Just a little note here... I'm a lab tech working on Noritsu 
machines and I can assure you that we have several sets of
negatives for almost each type of film.  I guess that the
problem is the lab.  I dont know about Fuji machines or should
I say Fuji follow up, we have a new batch of aims every 4 month
or so.  I would suggest to go at a lab witch as Noritsu machines
cause I've been trying to go at a fuji lab and the results for
such films, witch are used by dedicated amateurs or some pros,
Is not as good as the ones where they use the same aims neg 
that I have... I'll talk about Reala and Ektar in a future
message...

J.F.

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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: EOS - weatherproof?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:16:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Oct8.211648.9428
Distribution: rec.photo
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <Bvq9KD.rE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> drw41888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dave Wiltz) writes:
>
>In addition, it's been over my shoulder (around the neck) on a few
>climbs up the sides of waterfalls (lousy with spray and hard knocks),
>through some pretty nasty stuff on a volcano, and even through the
>combat zone in Boston.
>
>I'm not so sure about the plastic body on the Rebel, but the metal
>EOS bodies seem to be pretty tough.

If you get the Regular EOS Semi-Hard Pack Case, your Rebel should be as
tough (if not tougher) then any of the metal bodied camera. Its a great
scuff taker, and absorbs shocks really well. It also protects your camera
really well from outside water spray, because it totally encloses the
camera.

Gary

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From: marshall@ll.mit.edu (Hunter Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Info/comments on 1950 Rolleiflex Automat 3.5?
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:41:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

I have a Rolleiflex Automat that I am pretty sure is a 1950 (Ser. No.
1163965). It has the Tessar f3.5, 75 mm lens, and Compur-Rapid shutter.

Anybody have any comments or info on this camera, I will probably try
to sell it eventually?

Thanks for your help

	hunter
From: sylve_ge@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Gerald Sylvester)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Processing stupidity
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:06:21 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


>Well, here we go again... C-41 is C-41 is C-41. Some labs can do it, some can't.
>If you want to know if they can, ask to see their control plots. If they don't
>know what you are talking about, don't have any, or won't show you, walk.
>

What is a control plot?  What does it tell us and what are we looking
for when/if we can see one?

Gerald Sylvester