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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:50:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

i regret to announce that yamanari and i have taken this off-line.  i know,
i know, everyone was quite enthralled with our witty repartee, but averaging
over 200 lines per post of bickering is not part of the r.a.sf.tv charter.
especially since we live about twenty miles from each other.  farewell.

ok
dpm
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:24:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan7.023026.4373@ll.mit.edu>, mcbride@ll.mit.edu (Barbara McBride) writes:
> 
> |> 
> |> 1975-1994  The other 4 wives.
> |> 
> |> Tina:  1995-1999.  Tina is mentioned early on in the show, which is set in
> |> 1995.  She and Al are still together, and will be until he finds out about
> |> the affair. 
> |> 
> 		What affair?

Tina and Gooshie are having an affair.  Probably have been for some time.
Al was suspicious at one time and blew his top, but things have calmed 
down, for now.

Lorna
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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: SPACE RANGERS REVIEW
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:49:03 GMT

STNG, DSN and space R. all blow wads.  good for you who decide to turn
this shit off and pick up a book, until something good comes along.
if you must watch tv, put in an old favorite video.  don't support this
bullshit!!!
           ggreg
From: bk874@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Brennick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Space Rangers
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:15:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bk874@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Brennick)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Geez, what's with everyone? I enjoyed this show quite a bit, although
it does fit into a "guilty pleasure." Yeah, I hate the hero, and
thank god we didn't have to hear a lot of voiceover (if that had 
continued, forget it). Boon was pretty bad, but hey, you gotta have
a pretty boy for the network bozos. 

As to the science, I always have problems with "correct" science on these
shows, either because it is ignored or because my own knowledge is
fuzzy, but there weren't a lot of outrageous things on the show - but
if they start contradicting their own logic in later shows, it becomes 
a problem. 

I like simple projectile weapons, and I like the fact that people die
when they are shot - these guys don't shoot the weapons out of the hands
of the bad guys.

Plot problems? Well, yeah, but again, not really outrageous. But at the
end, when they start blowing away the bad guys, wasn't the bodyguard of
the chief baddy one of the guys killed? That would have tied Issicle (sp?)
up for awhile, wouldn't it have? 

TV doesn't have enough escapist fare - let's celebrate these fun shows. I
am not a fan of didactic shows, or shows that try to get too clever. 
(Disclaimer: I am a big fan of RAVEN, which is back on the air, and I
like the old Trek better than TNG).

Patrick Brennick .sigless
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: DS9 - What else?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 00:39:26 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I've seen the first actual episode of DS9 (first after the pilot) and I 
must say this: How did they let the doctor, Julian, get that high in the 
Starfleet hierarchy?  The guy is, or at least for this episode was, the 
most annoying officer that has appeared yet on television! =)

"Oh, he's a spy, he's got to be a spy!  Oh goody goody, the spy spoke to 
me!  Should we watch him?  Ooooh, can *I* watch him?  Huh, huh?  Can I, 
huh?  Aw, c'mon guys!"  So we traded in Wesley and got Jake and Julian.
I'm beginning to dislike this deal the more I see what was included in 
the package.


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From: dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (David Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:57:46 GMT

In article <MHGWBTN6@cc.swarthmore.edu> rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Robert William Brooks) writes:
>From: rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Robert William Brooks)
>Subject: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:55:20 GMT
>Saw my first episode of Highlander, "The Mountain Men", a couple of nights
>ago and wasn't very impressed.  Did I just catch a bad episode or are they   
>all like this?
>
>Still, I did enjoy seeing Wes Studi again after Last of the Mohicans :-)
>-- 
>Rob Brooks
>rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu
>
>Selig sind, die da Leid tragen, denn sie sollen getrostet werden.

   Mountain Men is my least favorite episode.  It's the only one I haven't 
bothered to rewatch so far. 

   I don't think it's significantly worse than the average, however. 
You may want to watch another episode or two, and make up your 
own mind.  There are one or two that stand out above the rest, hopefully 
you'll see one of those.

    Dave
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Computer Animation in ST:DS9 (was Re: Space Ranger?????)
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:04:29 PST
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1ikn14INNagv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
> In article <k8!3qv=@rpi.edu> nedwie@rpi.edu writes:
> 	Technically, they do use computer animation.  The models are very
> simple and primitive.  They are just the shapes.  The models are filmed to
> get the motions and perspectives correct.  Then a computer is used to
> overlay the details onto the essentially blank models.  And all the
> planets, wormholes, and planetscapes are all done entirely on computer.
> (The planetscapes may include some true paintings, but it's unlikely.)
> 
> 					Cliff Chen
> 					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Where did this information come from?  That certainly isn't the way the same
team does ST:TNG.  They use computer-generated graphics for the displays, but 
the exterior shots are done with models, usually with multiple exposures.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:18:38 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I cant believe that ANYBODY liked this show. The story stunk, the acting
stunk, the characters stunk, the special effects stunk and on and on and
on. Shame on CBS for trying to foist this utter piece of drek on the SF
audience. Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, Space 1999 , at their worst
werent as bad as this trash. Hell , even the A-Team was better than Space
Rangers. Space Rangers sucks a billion dead bunnies through a straw.

                                 Scott Corley

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

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From: PHKAVENY@MACC.WISC.EDU (Philip E. Kaveny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: How does one post reviews to these lists
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:56:00 GMT

How does one post materials of reviews to these lists.
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Subject: Re: B5: Some Babylon 5 discussion on the net?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 19:12:39 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789
Keywords: STAR TREK NEXT GENERATION DEEP SPACE NINE 9 BABYLON 5

psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm) writes:

> <It waits . . . for BABYLON 5 to kick its butt.  2/93, the wait will be over.

:)  That was a pretty good one.  My roommate came up with a great line for
DS9. 
 
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine....to boldly stay where no one has stayed
 before"


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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:14:28 -0400
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1ii4qpINNeg1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writes:
> 
> In article 6JAN199321302034@rosie.uh.edu, mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman) writes:
>>
>>I guess all the hype about DS9 really did it in. Hope they cut out 
>>all that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo in the following episodes.
>>
> Actually I really liked the wormhole parts.  They did quite a good job of
> presenting "non-linear" time and the problems of causality and free-will.
> Unfortunately they toned down the religous overtones in the second hour; Star
> Trek is infamous for introducing contreversial religous points then ignoring
> them.  I guess they are still too scared of the North American audience.  
>Pity.


This would probably belong in another newsgroup. How much of past religious
experience was actually mundane incidents blown out of proportion?

>>
>>I expected a lot less from SR, and it turned out to be better than that,
>>the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
>>get compared to Data in ST:TNG...
>>

Think him as a neolithic Data, if you insist on comparing.

> Space Rangers, on the other hand, did not impress me at all.  The characters were
> cliches, as was the plot.  Intergalactic drug wars?  This was truly painful to
> watch.  This sort of science fiction has never survived on tv before, what makes the
> networks think that it will now?
> 

This was commented on on a tv news show (I think CNN). The "BIG THREE" stations
(CBS NBC ABC) appear to have run out of creative drive, and in a time when 
money belts tighten, have gone into re-introducing old adventure formats or
old sit-com formats. It's a trend that may harken their demise as major
competitors in the entertainment field. 

By the way, don't be upset about the cliche angle. If you want to talk about
lack of creativity in tv, up here in the Great White North, some bright-eyes
at the CTV network (one of our two major tv networks) decided they could make
good by running half-hour collections of the old Ed Sullivan Show. Yech!
(thing is, with the increasing "Golden Years" population, they might be right)

> steve holland
> 

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:15:31 EST
From: <DEC113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Distribution: na
 <1ic2hhINNsi9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Jan5.185345.26730@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1993Jan6.131443.1@stsci.edu> <Jan.6.22.45.27.1993.18442@gandalf.rutgers.edu>

 what Al probably means is that he enjoyed the strong feeling of family because
 Ruthie was Jewish And Most Jewish families are tight.  After the divorce he
 would not have the Jewish EXTENDED family. But what do I know I just a gentile

Dennis Crissman
       ...Leaping from class to class trying to get a degree...
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From: fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils)
Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:47:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.174808.23802@news.acns.nwu.edu> glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
>>
>>Good call Chris, this show was a dog.  Dumb characters, lousy dialogue,
>>and very poor special effects.  Reminded me of "The A Team" in space.
[stuff deleted]
>Tha is what made this show truely great! I would watch this as another
>poster said over DSN for one major reason: I am SICK and TIRED of "But,
>startrek says this", "But star trek says that..."  Science fiction is about
>the future and so many of us fans are locked in the past. Warp technology
>is no more realistic then Slingships, Starfleet Command is
>no more a reality than Fort Hope. 
>
>It was dumb, it was trite but it wasnt overbearing, pompus or inane with
>the cosmic signifance of a universe of a 1/4 billion god like beings
>who dont understand linear time, humanities past crimes or humanities
>nature to be free and not controlled by cabbage-headed aliens from a "goal"
>oriented planet. [No offense to TOS viewers out there]
>
[stuff deleted]
>I hope it makes it, I hope it does well and Kennner brings out a whole line
>of Slingships and Rangers. I really hope that they get a competent Science
>writer\advisor whos brain hasnt been exposed to "so much UV" [That was the
>major down point for last nights episode]
>
>Finally a little fresh air in an otherwise stale room! 
>
>and BTW I liked Max Headroom, Mann And Machine [Before the writers screwed
>it up] and I liked the A-TEAM! 


	Oh please people.  Liking this show because it is not
Star Trek is lame.  The acting sucks the story sucks.  It was no
less than one great big insult to anyone starved enough for
something to do that they actually watched it.  I turned it off
and started my new Niven book.  If you like SF, then watch/read
SF, but don't let CBS or anyone else fead you garbage and then 
laugh while you call it steak and beg for more plastic
dolls of the lead character.  

	We deserve better people!  Networks go out of there
way to make sitcoms and action adventure programing for the
people who like to watch that stuff.  Then they fead us this
crap and we defend it, demand more?  Not me!  CBS, if your out
there.  This show sucks, this one person (and that's all I 
am) will never watch this garbage again.  You didn't get away
with it with me.  I and the rest of us who like SF, deserve 
good SF programing and will not roll over and thank you when 
you pretend to answer our desires with something as insulting
(I truely felt insulted by this, they actually thought I would
buy this?) as Space Rangers.

We deserve Better people!

Doug
--------
"Look! If they are able to accomplish all this when they have just begun
to exploit their linguistic and political unity, just think what they will
do later!  Nothing will be unattainable for them!"    -Genesis 11:6-
Jehovah, on the city of Babel in the land of Shinar, also called, Babylon.


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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Space Ranger Review
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:21:10 GMT

In article <C0I1MH.MMB@news.iastate.edu> fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils) writes:
[omit]

>It was no less than one great big insult to anyone starved enough for
>something to do that they actually watched it.

Really now, come on! The same thing could have been said about 65% onf Star
Trek TNG episodes.  Which I am really starting to enjoy less and less each rerun.

>	We deserve better people!  Networks go out of there
>way to make sitcoms and action adventure programing for the
>people who like to watch that stuff.  Then they fead us this
>crap and we defend it, demand more?  Not me!  CBS, if your out
>there.  This show sucks, this one person (and that's all I 
>am) will never watch this garbage again.  You didn't get away
>with it with me.  I and the rest of us who like SF, deserve 
>good SF programing and will not roll over and thank you when 
>you pretend to answer our desires with something as insulting
>(I truely felt insulted by this, they actually thought I would
>buy this?) as Space Rangers.

I dont see how you can call this show any more insulting that such classics
as "The Misfits of Science","The Bionic Man","Quark","The Man From
Atlantis" [Boy that was a real winner] or even the utterly
dumb "Voyagers"

Space Rangers has a chance to bring a completely different view of SF to
the masses; The eternal portrait of
space as a place of "Intragalactic peace and love inc." only
reserved for bald starship captains and highly trained officers of some
psuedo military organization is cliche and one sided. Not all sci-fi need
be so pompus or sterile.

>We deserve Better people!

And we will get better. SR is what I believe is the opening of the door to
new ways of viewing space and hopefully more national intrest in pursing
space exploration. But first and foremost what I liked about the 
show is that it is the first series sense TOS and Battlestar galactic to go
full out on storytelling and leave the big budget FX at home.

THAT is why there has been so little US SciFi, because everything has to
make your eyes burst out of your head! Check out this cool morph effect,
watch this light effect. WHO CARES! I want shows that you put a blanket
over your TV and enjoy the STORY coming from it, I want action, I want
excitement and I want story telling.

The first Episode of SR was WEAK No one will argue differently but they
were willing to take risks to tell stories using lower budget technology
and a totally different universe.  For that -- count me in for 6 more
episodes.
From: IACJEA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU ("J.Ashley")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Dr. Who
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:12:31 GMT

Can anyone tell me where I can buy video tapes of Dr. Who in the United STates?
  I used to see them in the PBS video catalogue, but lately they haven't appear
ed in the catalogues.  Are they available at video "superstores" like the Ware
house?  If you want to reply privately, send messages to iacjea@asuacad.
Thanks.
 
Jennifer Ashley
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Subject: Re: Babylon 5 -- one more for the FAQ
From: wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:03:01 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan4.193257.1463@netcom.com>, wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner) writes:
>>And what will happen if they DO both run B5? I believe KMSB is licensed in
>>Nogales rather than Tucson but they are considered a single market area.
> 
> This isn't unheard of -- two Bay Area stations run ST:TNG, one in San Jose
> and one in San Francisco.
> 
> w.
and in Mankato ST:TNG is on three channels (ok, two are out of minneapolis, but
it is still on three times a week here.)

-- 

          "I have a new strategy, Artoo. Let the Wookiee win." - C3PO

          "Let the flesh control the mind." -Lestat deLioncourt

          "In the Troopers, it's always bowb your buddy week." - Bill

                  -wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Time Trax info
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:22:14 GMT

In <1993Jan10.015607.12389@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:


>FYI, in case it hasn't been mentioned before, the man behind this
>series is none other than Harve Bennett.  He was of course involved
>in TOS, and also worked on the movie series.  Harve split from Trek
    ~~~
  are you sure about this ? I seem to recall that STII:WOK was
Bennett's first contact with Star Trek. Though he had been a fan. 

>after almost everyone rejected his "Academy Days" movie script.. 

             jon 
               jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs 
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers (Captain Power in Space)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:15:54 GMT

Let us just hope they don't kill Jo Jo like they did Jennifer Chase.


LJC
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9: waht about this?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <29663@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman) writes:
>
>In article <106873@bu.edu>,
>Citizen kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes :
>>[DS9 [is, was] ...]
>>It was a Bajoran designed (and assumed owned, as mentioned by O'Brien
>>in the pilot) space station occupied by the Cardassians during their
>>subjugation of Bajor.
>
>  This would explain the fact that some of the computer displays on DS9
>still show "non-ASCII" symbols.
>  I wondered why they would leave the computers running a Cardassian OS.
>
Nobody's ported the Starfleet OS to a Cardassian platform yet?


-- 
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Me: "The relationship just didn't work.  She had this...Chaplinesque quality."
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From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Summary: The Robot 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:57:22 GMT

In article <1ih9o9INNo4o@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
>In article <yTiZwB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>>  I rather wished 
>>they wouldn't have canned the android quite so quickly
>I agree.  The only interesting character...
>
>I thought the actor captured the mannerisms from RoboCop quite well.

Oh, geez, give me a break.  Swinging your forearms up and down to denote
"robot" went out with the 50's.  And how often is he gonna keep smiling like
that?  He got the voice (and hairdo) of Kryten down pretty good, but other
than that, he's slightly less convincing than, say, Dr. Smith's 'bot from
Lost in Space.

Give me Crow or Tom Servo any day for CONVINCING robotic behavior...

.                           <<<<Infinite K>>>>

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From: schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher)
Subject: Re: ST: SHEEP SHIT CRIME
Reply-To: schumach@stortek.com
Organization: Storage Technology Corp
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:05:22 GMT

In article 16657@news2.cis.umn.edu, donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> They have got to do something better for aliens than just give them all
> funny noses! 

I agree!  I get really tired of every alien on every SF show being either a
glowing ball of energy or a humanoid with a different configuration of bumps
on their face.

A brief ray of hope: the current issue of Cinefantastique highlights Babylon 5,
with a lot of coverage of how they did the special effects (with a network of
PCs, Amigas and Video Toasters).  They indicated that if the show gets picked 
up as a series, they would like to experiment with computer-generated characters
on the show.  That could allow them to develop some tryly exotic aliens!

	Kurt