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From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Hobbes ate my T-shirt
Summary: The Morality of Bootlegging
Keywords: Calvin, Hobbes, T-shirts, bootlegging, NSA, Illuminati
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:09:34 GMT
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden

The question of bootlegging is a very complicated one, both from
a moral and legal point of view.

But apart from the legalities, on one hand it's great to have a
Calvin & Hobbes T-shirt, but on the other hand it's a bootleg that
is being produced without Bill Wattersons permission
and thus, indirectly, hurting him and his creation.

I suppose that one way could be that Bill Watterson could do
what Bob Dylan and The Sisters Of Mercy did, that is, releasing
the best bootlegs as "offical" bootlegs.

I'm not sure whether this is a good solution or not, but the alternative
would be that the pirates would continue to profit, because there
is a huge market for it. 
I'm not too sure most people know that they are bootlegs, however.
Besides, if an American bootleg T-shirt is sold in a European country,
who should have stopped the T-shirts,  US customs or European customs?

Now that I think about it, customs wouldn't probably give a smeg since
they're too busy doing other things.

Oh well, enough rantings.
Oh yes, I meant motifs, not motives as someone kindly pointed out.
*sigh* It's not easy to get everything right, especially since
English is ones third language of learning.

To sum it up shortly: Bootlegs have existed, exist and will exist
and there isn't much to do about it, except not buying it, that is.

And now for something completely different:
I've read several interviews with Bill Watterson, and he keeps
on mentioning that he's interested in making a short Calvin & Hobbes
animation. Has anyone heard something more about this or is it
just the Watchmen movie syndrome?

/Jan







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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Wizard Of Id August 29
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:45:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

Well, my theory about papers pulling comic strips regularly for
liberal statements but never for conservative ones is proven
again.

Today's Wizard of Id (Saturday, August 29) features the Wizard telling 
the King that there are some women to see him. The King asks who they
are, to which the Wizard responds, "They're anti-feminists." The King
then states, "Oh, they're real women!"

Imagine if this was reversed, with the Wizard saying, "They're feminists."
Just imagine how many papers would have pulled it. If some papers
did pull it, let me know, but I doubt if I'll here anything. :-(
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Billy tries to sound like Calvin
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:40:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     Did you notice Family Circus Tuesday?  Billy hears PJ after his mom
burps him, and he says - "You call THAT a burp?  Listen to THIS!"  I wish
it had been multi-paneled; that sounds like something Calvin would do,
showing off his belches. (And something my 6-year-old cousin Matthew and
his older siblings do often.)  You have to admit that it was on the humorous
side, though if Bil Keane had added the sound it would have been GREAT, just
like "normal" kids.
     Now, the "bad" news.  I told him about Matthew showing off his burps
in one of the copilations of funny things I sent him from misc.kids, so he
used it from there.  But at least it's not sugary-sweet saying after saying;
how about Monday's, where they're "helping" their mom by filling the dishwaher,
but with clean dishes!  He came up with that on his own.  THere's hope for it
yet, even if the "bad" things the kids do are still on the cute side.
-- 
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Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes Bootlegs
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:56:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

First, Matt Hicks sez:

>>The question of such things as C&H T-shirts has drawn a lot of debbate.
>>In my opinion, this is a case where the black market stuff isn't hurting
>>anyone. Someone else is making money that Watterson _chose_ not to make.
>>The t-shirts allow fans of the strip to display their affection for it,
>>just as any authorized version would. Reproducing the strip or the characters
>>faithfully does nothing to corrupt the original, whether it is legal or
>>not.
>
 Then Peter Davis sez:

>This is about the biggest crock I've seen in a while.  The question is does
>the creator (ie, Watterson) have the right to control how his characters are
>used?  I claim that he does (or should).  It's not up to us or anyone else to
>second guess what his motives are, or to say that he won't be hurt by one
>illegal use or another.  The fact is that Watterson has decided that he
>doesn't want images of Calvin and Hobbes appearing on t-shirts, etc., and that
>should be respected.  If you're going to go ahead and violate the copyright
>anyway, don't try to justify it by saying that Watterson won't be hurt by it.
>Watterson, and all creators, ARE hurt by it.  They lose control over their
>creations.

I agree with Peter.  Watterson owns the charaters of Calvin and Hobbes.   The
strip is his intellectual property, and anyone who makes those bootleg shirts
is stealing from Watterson.  It is not a case of whether or not Watterson 
*chose to make money* on the shirts.  It *is* a matter of the creator's control
over his creation.  Watterson has said that he does not want C&H to be used on
commercial merchandise (other than the collections and the calendar, and I'm
not certain he will do any more calendars).  

And I doubt that Watterson appreciates the fraternity/sorority t-shirts that
portray C&H drinking. 

M.
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From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Subject: Ghost artists (Was: Re: Is Charles Schulz senile? I think so.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 05:12:04 GMT


I've heard time and again that Charles Schulz will NOT hand over
production of "Peanuts" to a ghost artist once his career/life
ends.

I'm not so sure about Jim Davis' "Garfield" though.
I wouldn't be surprised if I heard that Davis already has it
ghost written by another artist. The strip is totally different
from the one we see in the first three or four years of its
development. IMHO, the Saturday morning cartoon vastly cheapened
"Garfield."

Doesn't Davis have a huge company that produces "Garfield" now?
Also, I definitely remember a "Garfield" daily that had some
other guy's signature on it (I can't remember if Davis' was
also on it or if the other guy took sole credit.) This has
only happened once as far as I know--I only remember because
it struck me as so unusual. Can anyone date that particular
"Garfield?"
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Subject: Re: DILBERT
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:33:28 GMT

U37426@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>Dilbert has got to be one of the strangest comics I have ever seen.

It grows on you.  Some of the ideas in it are as grotesque as the
best of The Far Side.  The art has an almost schematic quality, like
a severely twisted Ernie Bushmiller Nancy. 

>Any Dogbert fans out there? 

Dogbert is a subversive character: he's a small, round, nearly
featureless scheming megalomaniac.  He's the best character in the
strip, except possibly for Dilbert's sadistic boss.

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: FAQ/Bloom County
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:39:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University


   Hi.  I just "discovered" this group here.  I have two questions:

	o Is there an FAQ?  If so, could someone send me a copy?  The last
	  posting (if there was one) has expired at my site...

	o Does anyone have any info about Bloom County stuff out on the nets?
	  I know there's a few gifs, but anything else?

   Thanks in advance for any help...

			   Dipesh Navsaria
  		       (navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu)
	"Practice Random Kindness & Senseless Acts of Beauty."
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 12:42:57 CDT
From: <U37426@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: DILBERT

    The Chicago Tribune added a comic strip named Dilbert earlier this
summer to replace the temporarily vacationing Trudeau's Doonesbury.
Dilbert has got to be one of the strangest comics I have ever seen.  The
art work is weird and the dialogue is very cynical.  However, I do enjoy
reading it and hope that the Trib keeps it when Doonesbury returns.
I would be most interested to here what others think about Dilbert.
Any Dogbert fans out there?  How about Ratbert?  These are some of the
nuttiest names for characters!





Tombert
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Re: Billy tries to sound like Calvin
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:12:20 GMT

>>     Did you notice Family Circus Tuesday?  Billy hears PJ after his mom
>>burps him, and he says - "You call THAT a burp?  Listen to THIS!"  I wish
>>it had been multi-paneled; that sounds like something Calvin would do,
>>showing off his belches. (And something my 6-year-old cousin Matthew and
>>his older siblings do often.)  You have to admit that it was on the humorous
>>side, though if Bil Keane had added the sound it would have been GREAT, just
>>like "normal" kids.
	
	BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!
	Oh yeah, sounds like a real riot. What a creative genius. Please,
	stop, my sides hurt. Really does sound like something Watterson
	would write...IF HE HAD A BRAIN LESION!!! The Family Debacle is 
	just one more shining example of the mental novacaine that chris-
	tianity is. Family Circus: still about as funny as "ethnic clean-
	sing."

>	Ya'know, as much as I hate the Family Circus, and as much as I love 
>hating the Family Circus, I have to agree with Doug that there has been a
>real improvement in the weekday strips in about the past month or so.  It's
>still nowhere close to being among my favorite funnies, but I have to admit 
>that it's been much more bearable in recent weeks.  

If this is the "high" point that The Family Detritus has attained, then I
stand by my decision to never so much as glance at it again. (I used to 
read it, as I enjoy comic strips greatly and want to give them all a chance.
But in the several years that I read this Ball-o-Barf of a comic, it failed
to induce a chuckle or smirk.) And while I'm at it, the normally enjoyable
B.C. has been tossing around a bit more conservative religious dogma than
I care to be subjected to--might join FC, Heathcliff, and Nancy in my comics
kill file if it continues in that vein.

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From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:06:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <24243@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young) writes:
> Netters, Just posting to get a point across IMHO that
> rec.arts.comics and other related groups seem to be
> anti-MARVEL.
>     I'v been reading (and occasionally posting) in the
>     group for 6-8 months.  It seem as soon as a post
>     Marval related go's up the Marvel "vultures"----
>     (Def. - a greedy,ruthless person) flame the post
>     to submission before any (if any) constructive
>     dialog can begin.  the net is free so flame on
>     but not indiscriminately.
> NUFF SAID.
> paul.

Hiya Paul,

  I understand what you mean, I'm no Marvel basher but I'm not a supporter.
I like a lot of stuff from Marvel, in my opinion I think Marvel has produced
a lot of quality stuff in recent years that has either improved their current
titles or brought out some good new ones.

What I don't like about Marvel and criticize alot about is their marketing 
ploys on a lot of readers out there -from the bagging to the multiple cover 
schtick.  Marvel deserves a lot of the fault for causing what could be the 
downsliding of an industry.  They also deserve to be blamed for the inflamation
of egos of such talents like Liefeild (granted the man writes as great as a 
three year old and draws really tiny feet -but he can draw), McFarland, and
(God help us) Jim Shooter.
But right now, Marvel can afford to make these mistakes -if you really look at
the competition, they're kind of screwed up as to what to publish or 
they're next story line.

                                Thanks,
                                Ned
                                St. Peter's College
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses (Toro)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:19:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep2.173054.137011@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>>On related topics: what exactly happened to Toro?
>>What other Marvel stiffs are untouchable?  I'd guess Uncle Ben, and um...
>>well, I can't really think of anyone else after the Parker Parents fiasco.
>
>Unless there was some sort of retcon, Toro died in Sub-Mariner #14 (1969)
>while saving Namor from being attacked (can't remember by who).

Hmmm.... someone told me that someone who appeared to be Toro appeared
somewhere recently (the final issues of Power Pack, I think), but they
only hinted it was Toro, never actually confirmed it.  If anyone has
ANY idea of what I'm talking about, let me know.
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: The return of the D'bari (was Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses...)
Organization: Little She-Hulks of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.214723.11197@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>In article <Bu0rsr.9LA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
>> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>> 
>> >     Dave Van Domelen, hey, they even brought the D'bari back
>> 
>> 	Huh???  You're kidding right?  If this is true then I swear off all
>
>It's true.  From what I've heard John Byrne had a planet full of Asparagus
>People in a recent issue of SHE-HULK.

Yup. And Rocket Raccoon and Razorback and Ovoids and...
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     (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |    Thaw, and resolve itself into a dew;"  
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:09:06 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: cable
	<BtnCuG.15p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>


>>>3.what has he came back to the past for.
>>To ruin one of Marvel's best magazines, the New Mutants.
>I have to disagree here. New Mutants was already pretty dead in the
>water by the time Rob the Snob was put on it.

In fact, I remember thinking at the time that I was extremely happy with
both the addition of Liefield and Cable to the New Mutants:  the
costumes during the Birdbrain storyline were worse than hideous
(especially sunspot's: he was from rio for gods sake and had a helluva
lot mor efashion sense than that!).  I loved Liefields Hawk and Dove and
his Perezesque/Adamsesque/idyllic artstyle, and thought that Cable was a
very interesting contrast to Xavier's Mister Rogers attitude to the
kids, and Magneto's absentee attitude (although I thought his tenure as
Headmaster was pretty good writing).  they had been floating around
purposeless for so long, I didnt care what happened to them, and was
sick of them STILL trying to recover from the Beyonder.  My favorite
stories with the new mutants always involved the graduation costumes
prematurity, (can you tell I like costume designs??), and thought we
were finally going to have the kids growup, albeit too soon, and not
have them realize it until too late.  I also thought the kids by that
point almost wanted a hardass boss, considering how parentless they had
been for so long.  I also thought they were going to become the radical
political 'black panthers/queer nation' of the mutant civil rights
movement, especially considering the brashness of youth.

Cable as the hardass radical version of Xavier and Magneto at his
ethnocentric worst wasnt necessarily bad: it was who was doing it and
how it was done.

michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
whose dream is to write new mutants II some day (but still title it Xforce)
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Shortest runs (Was: Re: JSA CANCELLED????)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:19:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.164634.9096@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> carlinra@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Carlin) writes:
>Dynamic Classics had a self-contained Batman story (a reprint, but I can't 
>remember the title offhand) as well as the first part of the "new
>Manhunter" storyline which was drawn by Walt Simonson.  Of course, this was
>also followed by a "to be continued..." blurb, but issue 2 never showed.

Hit by the DC Implosion, but it doesn't count as it was totally a reprint
book. The Manhunter story was a reprint of the backup mini-series done
in Detective back when it was 100 pages an issue (OK, so only about 20
pages were new material. I still liked 'em. Reprinted a lot of Golden
Age material too) by Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson. Well worth looking
up, and I believe reprinted in the early 80s as a single, very hard to find,
volume and later as a one-shot comic book reprint from DC circa the mid-80s.

"WHAT IF The Batman(tm) had become... A Psychiatrist?  "A treatise on the
collective unconscious crashes through the window!  'I shall become... a
Jungian!'"" --Jeff Meyer
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:02:11 GMT

>>     Dave Van Domelen, started reading all of Cerebus today.  Yes, I have no 
>>real plans for the rest of September.
>
>This is something I'd been meaning to ask.  Thanks to the lovely folks here,
>I've taken to reading Cerebus (YOU BASTARDS!  MORE MONEY FOR ME TO SPEND!).
>Unfortunately, I'm having a little trouble, since I don't yet understand all
>the history.  Where could I go to get the rest of the story?  I know its
>been reprinted somewhere, but where?  Any help would be appreciated, since
>I'm really enjoying the current storyline and would probably like it a lot
>more if I knew what was going on. :)
>
>
I too have started reading Cerebus(started this week too).  I've found
A good way to start(or more to the point, my way to start) was to pick
up the first tpb/phone book.  

Since I've recently fallen in love with tpbs (they're so convienent), it was
an easy $25 to spend.

They're available at most stores and Diamond seeems to have them constantly
available for order.

------SCAVENGER



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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RE: cable
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtLIyu.2BK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes...
>andrewh@yang.earlham.edu writes...
> 
>>>I have a few questions about cable?
>>>1.what is his orgin?
>>

Actually, Cable is the missing clone from the "BladeRunner" movie.

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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Anyone know of any post via email facilities?
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:34:44 GMT

I've been informed that it's no longer possible to post to r.a.c. and
associated groups via sending mail to an address at ucbvax. On behalf
of r.a.c.ers who had to make use of this service to post, can anyone let
me know of alternatives and how to make use of them? Email to me and I'll
summarize.

"No religion in r.a.c?  You must be joking!  Don't you find yourself on friday
 mornings thinking 'Dear God, Sim be thy name.  Give us this day our Ralph
 Snart, and kicketh Chadwick in the buttocks to write another Concrete.  Yea,
 tho thou maketh me wade through rack and rack of Marvel trash I shall not
 want, for I knowest there be good stuff elsewhere.  And please please please,
 let there be a Kings in Disguise in today.'" 	--jim
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From: Terri Buchman <buchman@osf.org>
Subject: DC:  Hellblazer
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C0E2D174010892@devmac9.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:27:13 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:24:18 GMT

The following DC Hellblaser  (John Constantine) issues are for
sale:
#25-27
 #29-35
#37-39
#41-43


Also, issues 1-3 of the Kid Eternity miniseries.

buchman@osf.org
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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Magnus #0
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:15:28 GMT


I am looking for anyone willing to trade for the Magnus #0 issue.

I have all the Valiant titles as well as the #1 issue of Marvel
Super Special featuring the KISS band.

If no trades are interested I can talk buying if the price is
within reason(Overstreet current issue).


Please email back at cliffr@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com

cliff