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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 23:31:57 GMT
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In article <1992Aug26.223220.5778@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda) writes:
>	
>	I figure that cotton or very loosely-packed wool should do the trick the
>best, but I've yet to try them out.  I know that you can get polyester wool in

Hmmm...then an old stinky gym sock might work quite well.  Now you got me
thinking about these things.  Maybe I should go try out a cotton sock vs.
foam m vs brillo. ^_^ The silencer came with brillo (the green scouring pad
thingy) when I got it.  How about acoustical foam pyramids facing inwards?

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:14:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <4032.2A9E4EE1@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>Friday August 28 1992 03:43, Henry Chan wrote to All:
>
> HC> Does this mean there is a stable gateway for rec.sport.paintball to
> HC> fido-net? Is rec.sport.paintball, and alt.sport.paintball as well, being
> HC> relayed to fido-net?
>
>Yes. 1:143/8@fidonet.org, aka kennel.fidonet.org, is a longstanding Usenet
>and internet gateway to fidonet.org. I am gating rec.sport.paintball into
>FidoNet echomail for one downstream machine at the moment. Not
>alt.sport.paintball, turned it off. :-)
>
>John

Thank you for answering my question.  I have another to ask since we're on the
subject.  :-)  Does this mean rec.sport.paintball could be echoed throughout
the entire fidonet?  Thanks for you efforts to help broaden the audience for
this newsgroup.
BTW what do you have against alt.sport.paintball?  (^-^)

<nitpick:  for the next person who decides to follow up to posting would you
change the title of this thread, I would if I knew how to do it from  rn
Thank you.  back to your regular programming>

>
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Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 06:00:58 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
 <roeschmf.714460231@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
 <92238.055816SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> <1992Aug27.141932.1479@math.ufl.edu>
 <30AUG199219342094@zeus.tamu.edu>

In article <30AUG199219342094@zeus.tamu.edu>, wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN,
W.W.) says:
>
>>>segment from my original reply (w/ ASCII graphics) deleted.
>
>Ready for this? I've heard rumors that Tippman has come up with something
>like this. It's got a hopper that holds either a half case or full case of
>ammo
>and it's spindle mounted, or perhaps a tripod. It's not as simple as the
>above design (which probably wouldn't work...no offense) and is supposed
>to make its debut at the Michigan Big Game this year...remember though, that
>this is vaporware and my source isn't the most reliable.
>
Now, this is a scary thought.  Something like this had to happen though.
We've gone from (essentially) bolt action weapons and grenades to semis
and Paint Bazookas.  The next logical step is the heavy full-automatic and
field artillery.

Btw, it could work.  I do grant that the design would need some fiddling, but
I just might try it sometime.
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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:43:51 GMT

In article <7532@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <rotheroe.714838890@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>>severe penalties.  All firearm sound supression devices must be approved
>>by the BAT, including paintball gun ones.  While I wouldn't worry about
>>
>>Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045
>
>	Paintguns are considered firearms?  I know NJ restricts airguns
>like they were firearms, but I always thought that was just 'cause the NJ
>gov't likes banning things.
>

Under Federal law, paintguns are not considered firearms.  Some states
have classed paintguns as firearms, most don't.  This, however, is
not the point.  Silencers are Class III devices in themselves.  This
is the point that people don't appear to understand.  The silencer
is controlled, not the gun/silencer system.  You can own a firearm
legally.  Putting a silencer on that firearm doesn't make the firearm
illegal.  It's the silencer that matters.  If you have a silencer
and nothing else, it's illegal.  It doesn't matter that you don't 
have a firearm, or even if your particular silencer will attach
to a firearm at all.

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com
From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paintball use
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:30:44 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group

In article <1992Aug21.204505.27441@hsv3.lsil.com> richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>Yeah, you could get through a day with a handfull of 12-grams and about 100
>paintballs, now with my CA stuff, it's quite a different story.
>"Hey doug, how's it going? You want to order a half case for the both of us"
>"Uh, Eric, I go through 1200 balls a day by myself now"

Ya I just got my semi (new .68 Special for 200 bucks) and played the first
5 hours of the day on about 200 rounds.  By playing the take the long
route around to the enemies base and attack them from behind, or the side
and only fired in 2-3 shots per round (while being pounded by some pros that
get the paint for free and spray it like it was water)

But then we moved to "Kamaize" two 10 person teams walk 100 feet off from the
center of a village and try to take control of the village (ie kill off the
other team) withing 5 mins.  First thing one of the pros told me when we 
started walking off to the 100 foot range looked at my gun and said, " Good,
a semi your job is to just lay paint, fire like a mad man."  Needless to say
that is what you have to do.  The overwelming firepower becomes the decieding
factor, yes flanking is a major part of this game, as I found out the second
after taking out 3 guys in one round.  I blew 300 rounds the the 30 mins or 
so of this game play.  And to be honest it was much more fun/nerve racking/
wild than the normal ok you guys go hike your 1/4 mile to your site and then
we will start game.

Bjs




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From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents Predators?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:25:42 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug27.123519.2044@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>This time though, I want to know what
>people think about the Vents Predator OTG Thermals. If you have one,
>let me know how you feel about it versus JT X-Fire system. Is it
>better or worse and why?
>
   I used JT thermals for about 1.5 years without much fogging
   trouble, but I found them uncomfortable and they block my 
   peripheral vision.  I think the JT's are actually motorcycle
   mudracing goggles adapted to paintball.  I hear that the X-Fire
   helmet gives good protection but it tends to catch on your
   shoulders as you turn your head.
   I got Leader goggles next.  They are very comfortable, allow for
   good vision, and are so well-vented that they don't need thermal
   lenses. Unfortunately the lense attaches weakly to the frame and
   they can come apart on you.  You also have to obtain separate
   head and neck protection since it isn't integrated with the goggle.

   I've been using the Vents with their headarmor for several months
   now and have been pleased.  The facemask design seems to direct
   exhalations away from your face so it is cooler to wear,
   no fogging at all (mine are thermal), and few vision obstructions.
   The head protection is pretty good, but I did get a paintball
   hickey on my chin a few weeks ago.  I was on my stomach trading
   fire with what I thought was one guy through some heavy brush,
   and his partner suddenly rushed forward and peppered my head from
   about 10 feet away.  One ball slipped between the facemask and the
   throat protector due to the angle between me and him, and it clipped
   my chin.  It wasn't a bad mark, no scar or anything, but I was surprised.

   -Bill Carter
From: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu (NAME)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:19:32 GMT
Reply-To: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

In article <92238.055816SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>, Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>In article <roeschmf.714460231@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
>roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Martin F. Roesch) says:
>>
>>  Ok, you asked for it.  My ultimate fantasy gun is a six barrel Gatling
>>configuration.  My friends and I decided that at 3 R.P.S., you would get a
>>rate of fire to keep semi people's heads down.  The loading would be done
>>by centripetal force of the barrels rotating, and some sort of gas
>>system would have to be developed.  A cam would cock and fire each of the
>>barrels as it went through its cycle.  Sound hideous?  Tripod, 1000 round
>>ammo hopper and 50 oz CO2 tank is optional.  The barrels would be rotated by
>>some type of electric motor, most likely.  You wouldn't be able to move fast,
>>but God help anyone who gets in your way...
>>
>Ok, I have a design that would ONLY be good for site defense, but would outdo
>even this monstrosity.  ;)
>**Warning, ASCII graphics follow...
>
>              |   Big  |
>              | P-ball |
>              | hopper |
>               \      /
>                 \  /
>                  ||
> =================##===@ hook a gas-driven air compressor up here
>
>Attach some kind of swivel mount, and you have a quantized squirt gun!  ;)
>No moving parts (outside of the compressor, of course), relatively simple
>velocity control (just change the chamber pressure), and a truly daunting
>volume of paint.  Whaddya think?  (btw, patent pending...  ;)
>
>Another idea I had was a semi with a pump mounted underneath.  Use the semi
>for covering fire, but have a really nice micro-honed barrel for those all-
>important distance shots.


	I've seen this done.  The guy had a 68 special with an sl-68 mounted
underneath.  I never actually saw him use it on the field, so I can't tell you
how well it worked.
From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:22:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug27.005612.6026@hsv3.lsil.com> richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>in an article jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) 
>writes about a gattling style paintball gun:
>>fire 10 balls / shot and would thus require a much lower
>>ROF. The tubes/ammo belt would be held in backpack and
>
>    This sounds very good but wouldn't the mass of 9 balls in front
>of the 10th ball cause it to break when hit by the CO2?  I have
>seen many paintball guns that would break both balls if you 
>get 2 in the chamber. (I think it was 2,  maybe it was 1 and 1/2 :).
>
>    -Rich-

   Hey Rich! You're messing with my fantasy, cut it out! :) 
-- 
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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Vents Predators?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:35:19 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY



O.K. since no one will answer my post about the Sl-68II vs. Trracer, I
have decided to try again. This time though, I want to know what
people think about the Vents Predator OTG Thermals. If you have one,
let me know how you feel about it versus JT X-Fire system. Is it
better or worse and why?

					Joey Hargis
					"Newbie"
From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:30:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Aug31.163058.25880
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


To keep ones glasses from fogging up, use a no-fog solution like Rain-x's
No-Fog ON THE GLASSES.  It works best if you increase the air circulation
and reduce the sweat coming into the goggles by putting a paper towel or
sweatband between your forehead and the goggles.  Doing both of these
steps pretty much keeps me fog=free.
Note- do NOT apply no-fog solutions to the inside of anti-fog goggles.
[RICHR]
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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Re: Silencers and PB guns
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:56:05 GMT


Responding to my own post.... that's a first :-)
So- how do I contact my local ATF office?  I don't know what ATF means. 
It's fairly obvious that there needs to be a clarification since there are
opinions on both sides, and I'm willing to make the phone calls.
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From: failsafe@cellar.org (Failsafe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Paintball around Philadelphia?
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:23:59 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

The title says it all. I am interested in getting involved in a group around
SE Pennsylvania or anywhere in NJ. Any information appreciated!

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From: Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents Predators?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:32:53 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Vents Predator system defnitely has better non-fogging characteristics than the
Crossfire system.  I put a fan in my Crossfire to get around this, but frankly
I would purchase the Predator if I did it all over again.  One player on our
team has a Predator setup, and even in our high-humidity high heat summer, he
has no fogging problems at all.  I sometimes get fogging so bad that the fan is
inadequate to clear it, though this is rare.
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From: trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Subject: Newbie to paint needs advice
Keywords: wanted,guns,pball
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:59:32 GMT

Distribution: world

Hey!  I just broke into the realm of paintball this summer and can't get  
enough!  I would really like to find a way to get heavily involved on a  
limited budget.  (READ: I'm a college student.)  Would the all knowing  
community suggest that I rent equipment for a while and save for a gun,  
buy something used _very_ cheap and take what I get, or take a mortgage on  
my dorm room and buy something new?  Also, when/if I buy, what should I  
buy?  I've seen so many damned guns advertised I'd think the market would  
be supersaturated.  Anyone have any great suggestions (or great used guns  
they want to unload at giveaway prices) ?  In all, I love the game and my  
IPPA # should be in the mail to me now!

Todd Trimble
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Silencers and PB guns
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:37:59 GMT

In article <rotheroe.714938820@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>>discovered, however, the law was changed to cover them.  If your state
>>doesn't consider PB guns as firearms, then a homemade silencer is
>>perfectly legal.
>
>Sorry, but this is just plain wrong.  BATF regulations state that *any*
>sound supression device for *any* type of "gun" (any power source - air,
>explosive, human, ...) is illegal unless specifically approved.  This is a
>federal regulation, not something that is up to the states.  Now I don't
>want to turn this into a long discussion, as there is virtually no chance
>anyone is going to get into any real trouble from making a paintball
>silencer themselves (unless they start selling them), but realize that
>anything to do with the term "gun" has about 17000 pages of federal
>regulations around it (before the states even get to deal with it).  Ask a
>local gun dealer about silencers and watch their reaction.
>
And just to drive the point home, right now there are over 200 Federal
lawmen laying siege to a home in Idaho because one man sold two
shotguns that were deemed to be in violation of Federal law to an 
informant last year.  So far, they've managed to kill the man's son 
and get one of their own killed in return.

Just because any reasonable person can see that we're all just kidding
around, that it's just a game, doesn't mean that the government will
see it that way.  If you want to screw around with a homemade silencer,
go ahead.  Be advised that you may get to meet a Federal "no-knock" 
warrant team up close and personal as a result.  

Steve Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Sl-68II or Trracer
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:24:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.085628.2009@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I'm new to paintball and I was looking to buy a beginner's gun. I've
>cut my choices down to the Tippman Sl-68II and the PMI Trracer. I want
>to get your opinions on these two weapons and it might help me make my
>decision easier. I want to know is it easy to add on thing to the gun,
>accuracy, dependability.
>
I've had a SL-68 model 1 for two years.  I've seen just about every
other gun on the market, pump and semi, in use.  I'm glad I bought
an SL-68.

The main feature of the SL-68 I like was the simple design.  This is
the AK-47 of paintball guns.  It just doesn't break.  It takes down
with a single allen-head screw for cleaning.  You can take this gun
down, clean it out, and put it back in operation in less than a minute.
All Tippman guns have a cleaning port in the receiver that lets you
run a cable squeegee from breech to muzzle when you get a broken
ball.  This is better than having to push a rigid squeegee down the
barrel, pushing all the paint and shell fragments into the bolt in
the process.

Out of the box, the gun shoots as well as any other stock gun on
the market.  You can improve accuracy to keep up with all the
expensive Smart Parts barrels by adding a graphite composite
barrel for less than half the price of a vented barrel.  

The SL-68 is the gun you get if you want to spend your time
playing, not sitting around base camp with a toolbox screwing
around with your gun.


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From: bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:42:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Florida Physics Department, CMT Group

Does anybody have a good source for a case of paintballs ?  I can get them
from a local guy (who I would like to give some biz) for $120.00 for a case
of 2500 of RP Scherer.  Fresh (the factory is in Florida)  are there better
sources out there? under 100 bucks ?

Aslo I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
sound absorbing stuff in between.

Lets get some more traffic in this group.

Bjs

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From: wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:26:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Aug26.082641.3263
Distribution: na

In article <36833@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
> Does anybody have a good source for a case of paintballs ?  I can get them
> from a local guy (who I would like to give some biz) for $120.00 for a case
> of 2500 of RP Scherer.  Fresh (the factory is in Florida)  are there better
> sources out there? under 100 bucks ?
> 
  In DRACO's latest price list (8/1/92) they list a case of NELSON for $115 and 
R. P. Scherer Premium or Super Shell for $120.  The other brands are less (as
low as 4 cents per ball).  Since DRACO is in Georgia and you are in Florida I
assume you can get it delivered pretty fast.  Of course shipping will cost
extra but you won't have FL state sales tax.  Their number is 1-800-642-5039.
 I also noticed that some for DRACO's prices have dropped since their last
price list.  Here are some highlights: 
F1-ILLUSTRATOR with bottle $330
ICON-Z no bottle $375
PRO/AM with bottle $340
VM-68 with bottle $260  MAGNUM $345
DELUXE BUSHMASTER no bottle $235
PHANTOM with interchangeable barrel $240
MIRAGE RED DOT SIGHT $105
12oz ALUMINUM C/A bottle with pin valve $50
etc.

Walt Edwards