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Subject: Dracula (NO SPOILERS)
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:48:00 GMT


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From:  JEFFREY K. LANGSTON                  Date:     19-Nov-1992 12:35pm CST
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Subject: Dracula (NO SPOILERS)

I must say that most of the people who have been posting comments about 
FFC's Dracula are totally missing the point.  This is not a HORROR movie, 
so don't expect Freddie or Jason.  This is not a SFX movie, so don't expect 
ILM to come bursting through with a TIE fighter.  And most of all, THIS IS 
NOT A REMAKE!!!!!!!!!!!

Dracula is a LOVE story, with major emphasis on eroticism and the 
supernatural.  There are elements of horror and SFX, but they are there 
only as spices to flavor the true story.  The cinematography in this movie 
is some of the best I've ever seen; truly exquisite.  Someone commented 
that they couldn't decide whether to be afraid or sorry for Dracula.  The 
answer is neither; you must merely UNDERSTAND him.  This story presents the 
tragic tale of a man in love and what possessed him to become what he did.  
And this is a MOOD movie.  All the lavish scenes, the backgrounds, the 
music, the changing from scene to scene as if in a dream, all help the 
mood, to encapsulate the viewer in a dream and let their mind enjoy the 
stimulations.  This is truly FFC's best work ever, even beating out 
Apocolypse Now.  The only thing I could find to gripe about in the movie 
was that Keanu Reeves British accent sounded forced (but he still acted 
wonderfully, who's to fault a man who can't quite mimic an accent he wasn't 
born with), and the blooper where Dr. Seward grabbed the wrong side of his 
neck after Renfield bit him.  Other than that, I would have to place this 
movie in the top 5 Greatest Movies of All Time!  If this doesn't win some 
serious Oscars come award time, I will know once and for all that they are 
truly fixed.  My recommendation is to see this movie on the big screen at a 
theatre with a very good sound system.  You will hate yourself if you wait 
for video.

Jeff Langston
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Subject: Re:  Unrealistic space scenes ( was: sound in space )
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:44:20 GMT+12
 <1992Nov18.051633.18671@mel.dit.csiro.au> <1992Nov19.001907.25729@ll.mit.edu>
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In article <1992Nov19.001907.25729@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>
>Large holes in the "spacecraft carrier" (also present on Star Wars ships) can
>be believed if you assume some sort of invisible force-field that traps the
>air in, and there is a technique to allow ships to go in and out - perhaps by
>removing the field in the region occupied by the ship. (I think there is
>evidence that this is the case in Star Wars).

Yes, when the Millennium Falcon is brought into the Death Star, the troops
are evacuated from the hangar bay so that it can be opened to space.

Voice over : "Clear bay 327, we are opening the magnetic field."

(*Magnetic* field? Oh well ... :-)


--
...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......
   Mine is the ship bound for Alpha Centauri
   We must be out of our minds
   For though we are shipmates bound for tomorrow
   Everyone here's flying blind                          (Crystal Gayle)
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From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:15:19 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1eee4qINN6av@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>No, I still disagree.  For example, the wind can propel a clipper ship, but
>this does not mean that the same wind can propel a bullet at muzzle
>velocity.  Do you see the difference?  The force can not cause the desired
>local intensity, but it can apply a small force on a large scale.  Again,
>while the wind can move a ship, it can't stop a cannonball-type projectile.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't understand where you get your
theory from.  If you believe the Zahn books, C'boath can accelerate little
rocks to speeds fast enough to break through the shield and hull of a
space craft.  Lucasfilm checked these books before they were released, 
too.  

>>>However, it is clear from the movies that Jedis AREN'T invincible.  Remeber
>>>that the Jedi were all but exterminated before Star Wars too place.
>
>>True, but it took another Jedi to help destroy them.
>
>Oh?  Who was that?

Vader.  Remember in Ben's House, he said something like:

A young Jedi, named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to
evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi. 

I don't know if that's exact.  It's from memory. But you get the meaning.


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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Young Indy Cancelled
Date: 21 Nov 1992 05:38:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	Friday's (11/20) Boston Globe, in the TV/Radio section, has an
article about several newly cancelled series and mentions that ABC has
"canned" The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.  So, it looks like Lucas
may be able to start on SW I-III sooner than expected  . . .

-- 
Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:46:50 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: TIE fighters

The TIE in TIE fighter actually means Twin Ion Engine.  As for how I know, it
is probably from studying manuals and packages from the toy collection, but I
am not sure.  I do love those double meaning names though!
                                              ------Eric Sansoni
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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Dark Lord of Sith
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:12:51 GMT

In <8f2ImSm00aw60Ss0UN@andrew.cmu.edu> Joshua Jacob Prinsky <jp67+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I seem to remember reading in the novelANH, when Darth Vader is first
>introduced, He was introduced as "a Dark lord of Sith".  Does this mean
>there are other Dark Lords?  Are they ever mentioned anywhere else?  Or
>is my memory lacking and Darth is the only Dark Lord?

I think it likely that Vader is the only Dark Lord worth mentioning... the
only one who is personally and directly responsible to the Emperor.  It
certainly justifies the GM in the SW campaign I'm in now, who created
Xavier Durn--ADMIRAL Durn now--who is certainly a Dark Jedi, and would
probably qualify for the title of Dark Lord of the Sith.
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
	Westheimer's Time Estimation Rule:
	    Estimate the time you think it should take, multiply by 2,
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:40:24 -0500 
From: "Ryan E. Rasmussen" <rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Red Tails

Does anyone know anything about Red Tails?  This is supposedly Lucas'
next project after Young Indy (which we know has been cancelled by ABC),
and is about a black fighter pilot squadron in World War II.  I first
heard of it about a year-and-a-half ago but have since heard nothing. 
Perhaps Red Tails is a cover for episode I, a la Blue Harvest.

Ryan Rasmussen

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From: HDW@UCSVAX (H D WALDEN)
Subject: Re: New Soundtrack/Video release
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:57:10 GMT
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In <1992Nov22.202750.6532@gw.wmich.edu> 907fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu writes:

> 	I just went to a gaming convention in Kalamazoo, MI.
> 
> 	Some guy I ran into had a CD version of the TESB soundtrack, and
> it had a painting of luke standing next to a tauntaun with a faded sky
> featuring the MF and a Bespin cloudcar (The normal cover is space with a 
> silvery Vader mask, also one the cover of the new RPG).
> 	I asked him, and he said that they'd just released the soundtracks
> again, but this time they were uncut (eg, the ROTJ soundtrack has a track
> called "The Death of Darth Vader," the deep choral part in the Emperor's
> throne room!).


	
	There is nothing special about this recording--it's simply a different
record label--Varese Saraband--and a different symphony--the Utah Symphony
Ochestra, I believe. The director of the Utah Symph. went to Mr. Williams
asking permission to make new recordings of all three movies. You can check
them out at your local record  store. If anyone happens to buy them, please let
me know what you think--Specifically, is it worth it to buy Empire just for 
these two(?) unreleased recordings?

					#1 Williams fan,
					  Dave Walden
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From:  ()
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:43:15 GMT

In article <1emna2INNhs@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith
Allan Schneider) wrote:
> 
> >you are comparing the Force with the wrong type of idea. The force is nothing
> >like the wind. It is more like using your will and your mind to accomplish
> >whatever tasks you set it to do. Therefore, the stronger your resolve and your
> >concentration (not to mention your natural talent for using the force) anything
> >is possible. That's why Yoda tells Luke that you can only DO things--the force
> >will only let you accomplish what you really believe you can accomplish.
> 
> You can't simply accomplish *whatever* task...  the Force is something,
> according to Yoda, that binds all of nature.  Using the Force, one can
> manipulate natural forces, to an extent.
> 
> >We don't know too much about the clone wars (when the Jedi were destroyed)
> >except that, like the evil Jedi in Dark Force Rising (his name eludes me at
> >the moment), it seems Jedi were being cloned to fight other Jedi, and
> >subsequently, almost all of them died.
> 
> That would seem to contradict what we learned from the movies.  There, it is
> said that Darth Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy most of the
> Jedi.  The idea of cloning Jedi seems like another one of Zahn's silly ideas.
> 
> keith
Obviously you have not studied the Star Wars canon thoroughly enough. The
cloning of Jedi is not one of Zahn's original ideas.  It is one of Lucas'
ideas.  Where do you think the "Clone Wars" came from.

	If you want to understand the true sttength of the Force I suggest you get
your hands upon the RPG sourcebooks which will show you the true strength
of the Force.  The Jedi are truly powerful, and you seem to belittle the
true strngth of the force.  I won't even try to argue with you but you are
wrong.  
																																									A local Star Wars Guru
From: z_buckda@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
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Subject: Wanted:  Subscription Information
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Nov18.220020.1914
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University



	I would appreciate it if anybody out there can send me information as
to how I can subscribe to this newsgroup.

Thanks in advance, David

z_buckda@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
or
dab@tenet.edu
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:04:05 GMT
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In article <1992Nov13.095546.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith) writes...
>A fan e-mailed me about another
>"missing scene": in the cantina, one of the creatures poured a jug of suds
>into the open skull of another aliens. I remotely remember that one.

I'd wager you are remembering a scene from the Star Wars Holiday special, 
where Harvey Korman drank a glass of liquid in this manner.  It didn't 
involve someone else doing the pouring, though.

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Star Wars Echo? Has anyone seen this?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:33:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) says:

>In the back of the latest and last Dark Empires issue, there is mention of
>      a BBS group called The Star Wars Echo, which appears on the Fidonet
>      BBS.  Does anyone know if there is a way to get access to it by some
>      sort of FTP, or Telnet?  The letters column gives a phone number, but
>      the 510 area code puts me off a bit.

FidoNet is not a BBS, but a network of BBS's around the world.  Kind of
like a less sophisticated version of Internet (no flames please!)

It seems to me what you need to do is find a FidoNet BBS that is in your
area and see if it carries the SW echo.  If it doesn't, talk to the sysop
and ask him if he/she would.

As for Telnetting, there may be a way to do that soon, but I'm not sure
yet.  A friend of mine is an assistant sysop for PC-Ohio, which is a 
huge system that apparently is very highly rated among people who
keep track of these things.  (Obviously, I don't.)  Anyway, he says
that they may be on the Internet soon.  If that's the case, you may be
able to Telnet into PC-Ohio, which is also part of FidoNet, and knowing
Norm, I'll be that he carries the SW echo.

I don't have anymore info now, but nag me in a couple of weeks to see
if they've gone ahead with it.

----  TJ

-- 
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                   It's not my fault, I had pneumonia.
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Unmade movies
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:08:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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hale@bbsls84.BNR.CA (Dave Hale) writes:

>Can anyone supply the names of the unmade Star Wars movies?
>ie. the names of the first and third trilogies, and the order that they go in.

George Lucas probably could (although I don't konw if he bothered to title
them... surely they have working scripts).

keith

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From: nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill)
Subject: Re: The Sith
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:59:38 GMT

In article <17078@umd5.umd.edu> fwilliam@lab7.smcm.edu (Frank Williams) writes:
>
>Can someone plese tell what the hell is "the sith"?
>
>Thanks

Nope. Your guess is as good as anybody's...my guess is that a dark lord of the
sith is like an evil Jedi, but that's 100% speculation.

							local Star Wars guru
_____________________________________________________________________________

"You bet your asteroid." --Ham Salad

					Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
______________________________________________________________________________

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:48:19 -0500 
From: Joshua Jacob Prinsky <jp67+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Super StarWars
	<1992Nov17.195012.4709@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>

Does any one no when Super Star Wars will be releases for super
nintendo?  I read a few previews and it looked great.  They had a death
star trench scene that looked as exciting as the original Arcade game,
but with a lot better graphics.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Zahn, Flint and LetterBox Info
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:17:21
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU's message of 16 Nov 1992 18:57:35 GMT

>>>>> On 16 Nov 1992 18:57:35 GMT, boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) said:

boisvert> In article <CFORTIER.92Nov16084507@genghis.news> cfortier@genghis.news (Chris Fortier) writes:
>
>Finally, the VHS version of the LetterBox Star Wars Trilogy was
>released on Thursday.  I got myself a copy for $97 (tax included).
>The LetterBox format
>
>Basically, there are extra scenes that were not present in the P&S format and
>there are enhancements to existing scenes, afforded by the LetterBox format.

boisvert> You are going to get a lot of posts and email by making a
boisvert> blanket statement like this without backing it up with hard
boisvert> facts.  What "extra scenes?"  What kind of "enhancements?"
boisvert> Are these documented on the video boxes or are they things
boisvert> that you "don't remember seeing before?", etc.

Sounds like he is qualifing the LBXing as enhancements. There not.
That the way they have always been. P&S just butchers a movie so much
that when you see it in LBX it seems like an entirely different film.
As to extra scenes? Ya right...



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From: heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RotJ figures FOR SALE!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:39:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This is a list of action figures I have for sale.  All figures are unopened 
on Return of the Jedi or Power of the Force cards.  The figures are mint but
the condition of the cards vary.  As a whole, most of the cards have a few
stress lines with slight yellowing of the bubble plastic unless otherwise 
noted.  All prices include postage.  If you'd like insurance, add a dollar to
the total.  If you'd like it mailed in some sort of box, add another buck.  


Character             Qty available  Condition          Price
---------             -------------  ---------          -----
Amanaman*                   1                           $28.00
                            1        plastic cracked/   $15.00
                                      broken        
AT-AT Driver                2        plastic cracked/   $10.00
                                      broken
A-Wing Pilot*               1                           $28.00
Barada*                     1                           $28.00
Chewbacca                   2                           $25.00
8D8                         1                           $15.00
                            1        plastic cracked/   $13.00
                                      broken
EV-9D9*                     1        plastic still      $32.00
                                      clear
Han Solo (trench coat)      2                           $25.00
Klaatu                      1                           $15.00
Klaatu (skiff guard)        1                           $15.00
Nikto                       2                           $15.00
Princess Leia (combat       1                           $25.00
 poncho)
Prune Face                  2                           $15.00
Rancor Keeper               2                           $18.00
Ree-Yees                    1                           $15.00
R2-D2 w/sensorscope         2                           $25.00
Teebo                       2                           $18.00
Tie Fighter Pilot           1        plastic cracked/   $15.00
					broken
Weequay                     1                           $15.00

*- Power of the Force Series (comes with collector's coin)

If you're interested in purchasing any of the above figures please write down
your order and send it with a check or money order payable to :
  Juergen Heerdegen
  RPO 6842
  P.O. Box 5063
  New Brunswick, NJ 08903-5063
Remember to tag on an extra buck for insurance and an extra buck for the box
if you're interested (I recommend it).

Aside : I'd be willing to trade for certain comic books (esp. key issues of 
the DC comic Sandman or key Valiant books).  If you'd like to trade, email me 
and maybe we can work something out.

-Juergen
Please direct any further inquiries to : heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu
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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius   )
Subject: Re: Is Vadar thick or what?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:58:43 GMT

cstadcd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A P Jerrison) writes:


>Books 2 and 3 have yet to be published in the UK so I apologise if these
>questions are answered in those books.

>When Luke and Leia are talking about Yoda in Book 1 they conclude that he
>hadn't been found because of the cave's "dark" Force cancelling his as an
>electron and proton do. If this is the case why in the films has Ben 
>Kenobi gone undiscovered so long? There wasn't any dark Force there.

>Also in the same book there are some small furry creatures which suppress
>the action of the Force. Even though C'boath is surrounded by them he still
>manages to control the attacking spaceships. How does he do this?

>Andrew

Keep in mind that there WAS Luke Skywalker on Tatooine... I don't know
what his Force situation was at the time but it couldn't really be termed
as 'good' or 'evil'...

There also could have been a non-Jedi who was very strong in the Force
(for example, take Anakin Skywalker before he was trained.  He used his
seemingly natural control of the Force to aid him in his piloting, and
continues to do so as Vader in his souped-up TIE interceptor.

I think that Jabba the Hutt might qualify under these criteria.  He was
unaffected by Luke's powers of persuasion AND knew what they were when
they were being exerted on him... I don't know whether that makes him
very stubborn, strong-willed, or Force-sensitive (maybe some of all 3).

* * * * * * * * *

Sven Skoog
ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Marius)

* * * * * * * * *


Organization: Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:56:08 -0500 
From: Martin Thurn <mt2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Penis prices 

  $15 for one penis card is ridiculous.  Those cards were printed in
big sheets, with all 66 different cards of the series on a sheet.
Therefore THERE ARE THE SAME NUMBER OF PENIS CARDS IN EXISTENCE AS
THERE ARE ANY OTHER "TWO-STAR" CARDS.  The only reason the price is
high is because everybody wants to keep theirs; i.e. nobody is willing
to sell it; or something like that (I opted out of taking Economics
:-).  So, perspective buyers, keep this in mind.
  I personally predict that sometime in the future, a big SW collector
will die and in his estate there will be thousands of penis cards,
flooding the market and making everyone painfully aware of the true
situation.
 - - Martin Thurn      mt2f+@andrew.cmu.edu