HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Andreas Wuertz <wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: Canada Francais KCHR bug
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, TIK
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug4.162620.1512@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> David Graham,
dgraham@morgan.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>I decided to assign ^H to the "Hyphenate..." command in Word 5 this
>morning; imagine my surprise when the program told me that "^J is
>already assigned to the 'Move to start of line' command". Did I hit the
>wrong key? No, you guessed it: ^H and ^J were identical on my machine, a
>PB 170 running French-Canadian system 7.0.1. A quick check with ResEdit
>revealed that ^H was sending the code for ^J; easy to fix, but a
>peculiar bug, and one I don't recall seeing mentioned before.
>
>Anyone else encounter this one?
Oh boy, you're not alone! Ever tried a non-US keyboard with the
command-option combination? You get a complete US-keyboard layout (At
least in German and Swiss-German). I told Apple this but then they seem
to have more important problems. My guess: fix it yourself using ResEdit
2.1.1, but still try to get into contact with Apple and tell them. I
tried to get command-[ and command-] to run in MPW (Shift left, Shift
right), but this is command-option-5 and command-option-6 on a Swiss
keyboard. It only worked after I fixed the KCHR resource.

Andy (wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch)

===============================================================
The only person who got his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Subject: Re: Direct Serial connection to a LW IIf
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:20:54 GMT

In <714051694.3797@minster.york.ac.uk> rod@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>I wonder if anyone can help me out.  I'm helping organise a
>conference soon, and I've been asked to work out how to
>connect a Powebook 100 or 140 _directly_ to a LW IIf (that's
>all we'll have with us.)

>Does anyone have any ideas how this can be done?  I know I
>ought to do it "properly" by getting a couple of LocalTalk
>boxes and setting it up that way, but I don't have any of these
>available.

Get a Mac to ImageWriter II cable and leave AppleTalk ACTIVE! It will work
just fine! I have done this many times with several different kinds of
Macs (but not a PowerBook, yet).
From: peterhi@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Peter Hickman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: -108, -192
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

I have an LC with 10 meg ram and 40 meg disk. This has been running without
fault for months now with the same init/cdev setup. Then yesterday I got a
message about not enough memory/too many windows open when using the finder.
Infact from a cold boot I only have to select the "About this Macintosh..."
from the apple menu 7 times in a row to get the error (is this why they call
it system 7?). Oh yes its S7 plus tuneup 1.1. As Ive said this particular set
up has worked for months. What do these errors mean?

Norton, Disinfectant etc say there is no virus and I have reinstalled the OS
from cold three times now. HELP!!!!!!!

Peter "Life is too short for CD ROM" Hickman
-- 
--------------------------------------- peterhi@uk.ac.sussex.syma ------------
      "More beer, more shouting, resistance is useless" - USTA bars
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: nasadk@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Subject: Re: IIsi sound problem
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.214453.15943@tdb.uu.se>, matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:
|> BGD1@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
|> : Sometimes my Mac IIsi becomes silent, regardless of the program that's
|> : running--it happens even if the finder is the only "appl." running.  Less
|> : frequently, my Mac acts as if the sound control panel were set on 0 (i.e.,
|> : the menu bar flashes).  Resetting the volume to LOUD (6-7) and then back
|> : down to 2 were I keep it solves the problem for a while.  I've checked for
|> : viruses.  It's running system 7.0 plus TuneUp.  Any ideas?  thanks.
|> 
|> This is a hardware failure. I use a very simple method on my IIsi: I leave
|> the sound at level 7, you get used to it ...

Or you could dissassemble the computer, remove your HD, remove the speaker,
clean the contacts and reassemble the whole thing - If you're up to it.

If I get any requests, I'll try to tell you how.

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1...what will it include?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:12:43 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern

In article <1992Aug15.030255.27369@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes:
>Subject: System 7.1...what will it include?
>From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:02:55 GMT
>
>Hi...could someone post what System 7.1 is supposed to, and what it WILL
>include when it is released- and if anyone has a supposib release date?
>Many thanks.
>Cheers!
>-- 
> "When I was young we got our first color TV set and our neighbor kids got
>jealous 'cause their parents wouldn't buy one. So the parents put red green 
>and blue celophane on it and called it color...now they have Windows 3.1"
>    Travis Grundke --- an780@Cleveland.Freenet.edu --- Cleveland, Ohio

I think nobody on the world can or will say what's in Sys 7.1 when it is 
released: First, Apple employees are not allowed now to talk about it, and 
second, the beta circulating around surely differs somewhat from the final 
version. Thus, I cannot say "System 7.1 will include really big bozos", 
because somebody can remove them before releasing it. You'll have to wait '
til later this year, and look yourself.

-Christoph

Christoph P. Sold                   CATS Software GmbH
                                    Mussbacher Landstr.2
                                    W-6730 Neustadt (Weinstrasse)
ger.xse0035@applelink.apple.com     Germany

"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Why fewer typefaces in Apple LW+ TT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:28:06 GMT

Jack> == Jack W. Howarth <howarth@rice.edu> 

 Jack>    I am wondering if anyone from Apple knows why they failed to
 Jack> include a complete set of typefaces for the TrueType fonts. For
 Jack> instance Courier and Avant Garde are missing Bold and Bold
 Jack> Italic. Just curious if there was a good reason for this.

There aren't any.  Really.

Avant Garde doesn't have an italic, just an oblique.  This is a
font-weenie's way of saying that you just slant the font over instead of
having a whole separate font for italics.
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:11074 comp.sys.mac.misc:15032
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Followups-To: comp.sys.mac.misc

In <6255@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

>Reading through the various mac newsgroups, I think there are enough posts
>regarding powerbooks to justify a newsgroup devoted solely for powerbooks.
>Does anyone else agree.

No, I don't. the comp.sys.mac hierarchy provides a place for any post on
the PowerBook, or any other Mac for that matter.

Specific groups for specific Macs is a BAD IDEA (tm) IMO.

[followups to comp.sys.mac.misc]

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

	"I just hope you didn't think it sucked."
		-Garth Algar
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: European Prices, Why So Much?
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:56:33 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

jrh@de.deere.com (John R. Howell) writes:

>In article <70849@apple.Apple.COM>, bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:
>> 
>> The current issue of why stuff costs so much more in Europe than the
>> US is a perfect case in point. I frankly don't have a clue why. That's
>> not to say I don't think there's a reason. I don't know if there's a
>> reason or not.
>> 
>> I suspect that there MUST be a good reason.

>I just returned from France and think I have a good handle on the reason.

>Frankly it costs more money to do business in Europe than in the US.  Apple
>has set up offices and staff in Europe to maintain a business "presence".
>This "presence" has higher rent for office space, more expensive living
>expenses (food, etc), higher taxes, higher plane fares, higher telephone
>charges, etc.

>Apple then has to pass its costs on to the "European" Consumer.

The price difference is going down, though. I think (at least in Sweden) it's
about 10 - 12% right now. Generally that is, there could be greater or smaller
differences on some machines.


--
Erik Svensson			Research Officer
Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"I've got LOT's of common sense. I just choose to ignore it." -- Calvin
From: igorl@uiuc.edu (Igor Livshits)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Screwy Mac SE/30
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:38:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8x8o.DFF
Organization: NCSA
X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:35:25 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

Hello,

I have a bizarre problem with a colleague's SE/30:  It boots up
(Sys6.0.5) and then presents me with "floppy unreadable" dialog even if
the floppy drive is disconnected.  If I escape the dialog, the Mac now
presents me with a similar dialog for the external floppy.  If I escape
the second one, the cycle begins again with the internal drive.  

Is this something inherent to the motherboard?  Any ideas and suggestions
would be greatly appreciated...

Thank you, Igor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hinr@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Robert Hinz)
Subject: Re: IIsi sound problem
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:49:37 GMT

Well here is my $0.02 about this problem. At least for me the problem
does appear to be the connection between the speaker/led contacts and 
the mother board. The first thing I noticed was my power LED on the 
front of the IIsi was getting dimmer and sometimes flickered. Then the
sound started to flake out too. I found that a light slap to the side of the
IIsi case would fix both problems temporarily. I suspect that this problem
is caused by electrolysis between two dissimilar metals in contact with each
other while a current passes through them. The metal with the lower galvanic
voltage will corrode breaking the contact. I have yet to take the thing
apart to verify this. If I find anything when I do I will summarize to the
net.

Rob Hinz
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Oregon State University
hinr@ece.orst.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: felciano@summit.stanford.edu (Ramon M. Felciano)
Subject: Why do Fonts slow my system down?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:11:31 GMT
Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name.

Hi!

I've finally got a nice, big 'ol Mac: 400 meg drive, and 20 megs of
memory. This has allowed me to install a whole bunch of fonts in my
System (mainly bitmaps).

The problem is that this is slowing several of my applications down
noticeably. Hypercard in particular takes a long time to open the
script editor, switch between editing modes, etc...

Since I've got RAM and disk space to spare, is there anything I can do
to allocate more space to the Font Manager somehow to speed things up?
Are there tools or utilities that will deal with this?

Ramon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hinr@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Robert Hinz)
Subject: Re: -108, -192
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:34:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.122941.6406@syma.sussex.ac.uk> peterhi@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Peter Hickman) writes:
>I have an LC with 10 meg ram and 40 meg disk. This has been running without
>fault for months now with the same init/cdev setup. Then yesterday I got a
>message about not enough memory/too many windows open when using the finder.
>Infact from a cold boot I only have to select the "About this Macintosh..."
>from the apple menu 7 times in a row to get the error (is this why they call
>it system 7?). Oh yes its S7 plus tuneup 1.1. As Ive said this particular set
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>up has worked for months. What do these errors mean?
>

I don't know if this is your problem but tuneup 1.1 has a bug and was 
recalled some months ago. I believe the bug had something to do with
memory management as well. The first thing I would suggest is get the
tuneup 1.1.1 from ftp.apple.com dts/sys.soft/tuneup (I'm not sure about
the path but it's something similar). Also I hope you have Disinfectant 2.9.
If not you can get that from sumex or NWU anonymous ftp. Hope this helps!

Rob Hinz
hinr@ece.orst.edu
Oregon State University
Electrical and Computer Engineering

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Subject: PCExchange and WordPerfect and Letter Gothic etco
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:57:55 GMT

I'm interested in setting up a thing where I'd be able to edit
WP 4.2 or 5.1 DOS files on my Mac from 5 1/4 drives.  Will
PC exchange be able to handle this?  Also, I don't have
Letter Gothic on my Mac, but do have it as SoftFont for the
LaserJet+.  What should I do about this?

Also, how do PCX-Change, DosMounter and AccessPC compare?

Kenji Takeh-uchi.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10950 comp.sys.mac.wanted:7527
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Latest version of DaynaFile INIT?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:01:50 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby) writes:

>Can anyone tell me what the latest version of the DaynaFile INIT is?
>I've got a user with three Dayna drives, and what I judge to be an
>_ancient_ version of the INIT that allows their use.  As we upgrade more
>and more software, the DaynaFile INIT becomes a source of constant
>system errors.  The date on this version is 1989, and I believe the
>version number is 2.04, and the ROM version is 3.1.

    We use a DaynaFile in my office as well, and personally I think it
sucks. But the latest version that I just received from Dayna, is 3.0.1,
it came as a bundle with DOSMounter 3.1. If you give them a call I'm
sure you can order it. It was $34.95 plus shipping.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
		   "A clear case of curare poisoning
	       of one of her Majesty's Cold-Cream Guards"
						   -- Durlock Holmes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bx341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Re: IIsi sound problem
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:23:21 GMT


  >BGD1@psuvm.psu.edu writes: 
  >Sometimes my Mac IIsi becomes
  >silent, regardless of the program that's running--it happens
  >even if the finder is the only "appl." running. Less
  >frequently, my Mac acts as if the sound control panel were
  >set on 0 (i.e., the menu bar flashes). Resetting the volume
  >to LOUD (6-7) and then back down to 2 were I keep it solves
  >the problem for a while. I've checked for viruses. It's
  >running system 7.0 plus TuneUp. Any ideas? 
  
  >matsb@tdb.uu.se writes: 
  >I use a very simple method on my
  >IIsi: I leave the sound at level 7, you get used to it ... 
  
  >Dan.Hughes@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org writes: 
  >Give the IIsi
  >and firm thump on the left side of the CPU. Seems to work
  >for me. Try it, you'll like it.

Uhh ... guys? Wouldn't it be less painful to just 
fix the problem?

Here's how:
The IIsi speaker has a pressure contact with the underside of
the motherboard. Oxidation seems to form on the speaker contacts
and cleaning them is the only permanent way to fix the problem. 

A temporary fix is an Fkey that jumps the sound up to the
maximum - beeps once - then returns the sound level to where you
had it set. It's at mac.archive.umich.edu
(temporarily shavenyak.css.itd.umich.edu) 
as mac/system.extensions/fkey/twosisoundfix1.0.sit.hqx 

To clean the contacts, first remove the top by lifting the tabs
at the back corners and pulling the top straight up. 
Touch the power supply (the big silver thing at the rear right
of the box) to discharge any static electricity. 
Next, remove the hard disk by carefully pulling back the two
plastic clips on the sides that hold it in place. There's no
need to unplug the disk.
 
The speaker faces downward and the contacts slip under the
mother board. It is held in place by four plastic clips. Squeeze
the clips to release the speaker. Remove the speaker by pulling
it towards the front of the box.
 
Clean the contacts with a pencil eraser or a small file
<gently>. Carefully bend the contacts upwards for better contact
with the motherboard. 

Slip the speaker contacts back under the motherboard and push
down gently to get the speaker back under the four plastic
clips. Replace the hard disk. It should snap into place.
 
I did this about 11 months ago and haven't had any problems
since.

____
Robert E. Winston      usr4818a@tso.uc.edu
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: MacTCP -- Cannot lock address W Admin TCP
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:18:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: MSUS

We have found that we cannot lock up the IP address box on the
first screen of MacTCP even using AdminTCP.  We can lock up
the parameters of the second screen, however.

This is a serious problem.  A merely curious user can muck
with the address and cause problems.

Fix for this? (besides ResEdit, please.)
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:31:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

My own personal opinion is that I don't want to have to go to yet another group
to stay current. I work with and service Powerbook users as well as Classic
users, Quadra users, and Outbound users. With Macintosh, computer hardware
differences are relatively minor. I don't think the difference between
PowerBooks and other Macs is any more significant than the difference between
Quadras and other Macs. Moreover I suspect that the majority of people who have
PowerBooks also have or use other Macs. To me it simply doesn't make sense.
Splitting things makes it more difficult and very little if anything at all is
gained.

smittie
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
________________________|___________________________________________________
From: dmcannon@sunrise.Stanford.EDU (David M. Cannon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: I miss my LAYO resource...
Keywords: LAYO resource, finder views
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:04:58 GMT
Reply-To: dmcannon@sunrise.stanford.edu (David M. Cannon)
Organization: Stanford University

I *hate*hate*hate*hate*hate*hate*hate* the may system 7 grids the layout
of icons on the desktop - straight across and 50% staggered are both lame,
and the way cleanup window by (name,date etc.) works, leaving gaps in
the layout if a name overlaps another icon, is wasteful of screen space
and a major annoyance, too.
 
I want my system 6 layout control back - the LAYO resource, I believe,
used to be the thing to modify.  Perhaps I'm missing something here -
will someone please tell me that there is a way to customize this in
sys7?  If it requires twiddling bits with ResEdit or something, you
can tell me - I'm not squeamish.

Thanks for any pointers to a less straightjacketed screen option,

Dave Cannon
dmcannon@sunrise.stanford.edu
From: futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Removing the "alias" when making aliases
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:14:48 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: CSo @ LLNL


 brandt@currituck.cs.unc.edu (#66 Andrew Brandt) wrote:
> 
> | Finder Resource STR 20502
> Any slick programs out there that will prevent new aliases from
>  being named `filename alias'?

Alias Director.

At fine ftp archives everywhere!

( Well, not exactly *every*where, but . . .  ;-)

__
\/  -+-  randy  -+-  all generalizations are flawed  -+-  futor@llnl.gov
From: cordes@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: True Type fonts wanted
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:34:23 -0300
Summary: TT symbol font styles wanted
Keywords: tt,font,symbol,bold
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm posting this for a friend with a Classic 2 and a new GCC laser printer 
(with Postscript capability). He's looking for True Type Symbol fonts, in 
Bold, Italic, and Bold Italic styles; he has the normal tt symbol font. Can 
anyone suggest a way of getting hold of these fonts? Thanks for any 
suggestions.

John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, N.S., Canada  B3H 3J5
email: cordes@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Peter Purgathofer <root@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: 7.1 in Beta???
X-Xxdate: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17: 34:12 GMT
Organization: Institute for design and assessment of technology
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:32:09 GMT

We (at the institute) saw 7.1b7.

The most obvoius thing to change is that WorldScript is included, and it
is a great thing, although we didnt get it to run perfect (Well, beta...)

The other things we found were:

Font folder (no more 15min to open the System Document - well, once
more...)
Double Byte TrueType Fonts
3 new control panels (1 for the PowerBook - the long awaited!!!)
Dictionary Manager
Text Services Manager 
(ther latter two being of interest only to developers right now)
improved drag-and-drop, even for new CPU-specific extensions (No more
7.1.0.2a)
This is most of what I found, and what seems to be of interest to me. 

Peter Purgathofer
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Institute for design and assessment of technology
Dep. of Somputer Science / Technical Univ. /Vienna
Moellwaldplatz 5/187     A-1040 Vienna/Austria


"ROMANES EUNT DOMUS"     (Brian)
From: matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 in Beta???
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:33:41 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.

kass@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Andrew Kass) writes:
:
: For a good description of 7.1, see TidBITs  in c.s.m.digest.
: 
: BTW, 7.1 does NOT include ATM.
: 
It doesn't? The documentation on the 7.1 CD said it could handle ATM fonts,
but I haven't tried it (I don't have any ATM fonts).

/Mats
-- 
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Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Department of medical systems                  Ph:  +46 18 187817
Sweden                                         Fax: +46 18 187825
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system