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From: acabrera@ee.WPI.EDU (Abel Cabrera)
Subject: "The Bible of Running".  Title needed Please.
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:32:13 GMT

I saw long time ago a posting about a very good book which was "The Bible of
Running". I thought I had it but apparently I did not save it. I also
did not see it in the FAQs. 
Can anybody post or mail me the name of the book(s).

Thanks very much in advance

Abel
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From: an241@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joe Jurczyk)
Subject: HELP! Toledo 24 Hour Run Info Needed ASAP
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:35:09 GMT


Help !
Can some kind soul please post information on the 24 Hour run
next month in Toledo (or e-mail if you prefer) ?  It's not
listed in the most recent issue of Ultrarunning and I'd like to
get more information on entering.   Thanks in advance. ....Joe
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: Men's marathon
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 08:07:02 EET

Maybe I am wrong but I remember reading about the winner of the
men's marathon (the Korean) that he was accused of using doping
just some time before the Olympics in Barcelona. If I recall he was
said to have received doping in dog meat(?) or something. I wonder
what really happened? Does anyone know?


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From: carl@visionware.co.uk (Carl Saint)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Running in France
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:10:15 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK

Hi,

I am going to be in the Dordogne region of France for a few
weeks in September. Does anybody know of any road races,
good places to run, or of any running clubs in the area.

Thanks

Carl
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:25:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Aug13.182557.13612
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 There's the old rule of toe: Double the 1/2 marathon time and add ten 
minutes to get the potential marathon time. (One still must train for the
marathon to achieve this!).

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From: zeleznik@cs.utah.edu (Mike Zeleznik)
Subject: Home treadmill question?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:08:48 MDT
Originator: zeleznik@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

My apologies if this is the wrong place to post this.  Also, if this is
answered in a FAQ file, please point me to it.

Can anyone offer advice on home treadmills?   We are looking for a unit
that will be used by two of us, both under 160 lbs, that is quiet but which
also is fast enough and solid enough to allow running.

So far we have been most impressed with the Precor (stable, quiet, easy to
adjust, powerful motor that does not bog down).

 - Is this really a good unit (does it last? maintenance? etc.)?

 - Is it overpriced or overrated? For example, a unit with fingertip speed
   and elevation adjust, and very simple up/down programming of speed, was
   around $2,500.

We do not need a ton of bells and whistles, but do want quality.  The
things we saw at Sears, while much less expensive, did not look like
they would hold up, and seemed noisier and less stable/smooth.  We are also
under the impression they may need more continual attention to adjustments.

Thanks for any advice on brands or prices or anything else!

Mike

  Michael Zeleznik    zeleznik@cs.utah.edu    801-581-5617
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Boston Marathon 1993
Keywords: Boston Marathon 1993
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:07:15 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

What is the date of the Boston Marathon for 1993?

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From: dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:57:17 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Colorado Engineering Labs

>I believe the 'benefits' to caffeine, if there are any, is that
>caffeine has been linked to an increase in blood free-fatty-acid
>concentrations. IF this is true, this would be of benefit to
>marathon runners, since that would tend to conserve their
>carbohydrate supply. That is, the body would get an additional 
>amount of energy by using the free fatty acids, rather than by
>converting carbohydrates (glycogen) to energy.
>
>However, the studies seem to be conflicting as to whether or not
>there is any benefit to caffeine consumption.
>-- 
>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  


I always thought that the body used carbohydrates as its primary source
of "fuel".  It was only when the body depleted its store of glycogen that
it started burning fatty acids.  The byproduct of this process is
lactic acid, which starts to build up in the muscles...hence the 
pain and discomfort of "hitting the wall".  So, drinking caffeine
wouldn't necessarily conserve the body's carbohydrate supply.  But
if caffeine does increase the fatty acids in the body, then it
would increase the body's endurance since there would be more
available "alternative" fuel for the body to burn.
 
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From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: 1/4 miles in 46 seconds - what's a decent pace for fat people?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:19:40 GMT
Summary: Another Possibility

In article <23776@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jwmorris@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jeff Morris) writes:
>...Either you are REAL fast, your watch is broken, or your track isn't
>a quarter-mile.

OR he's a fraud and pulling our legs.

   A real skeptic,
   JCS
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From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re:  Idiot Marathon Commentator
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:19:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.124553@IASTATE.EDU> scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat) writes:
>That guy analyzing Steve Spence's stride was worthless. What was NBC thinking??
>
>Now I admit that theoretically he might be correct in his assumptions. But if
>Steve Spence
>bounces 3 inches per stride in a race (thus adding "a mile to his actual raced
>distance)
>don't you think that Steve Spence also bounces 3" per stride in training?(Thus
>he trains farther than someone with a 1" bounce).
>
>I suppose he would have everyone change their strides to eliminate bounce,
>crossover, and "putting the brakes on". Hey that's great. Everyone will be
>injured from interfering with their natural stride and guys like him will make
>even more money treating the injured.

What is a natural stride?  If I still ran the way I did when I started running,
I'd still be running painful 10 minute miles.  I was able to improve my 10k times by 
working on efficiency as well as strength, and I've noticed that in road races,
the fastest runners inevitably seem to 'shuffle' by very efficiently, whether 
they were born running that way or not.  When taking the 10's or 1000's of steps
that the runners take in a marathon, the smallest inefficiency can easily be
multiplied into a significant amount over the distance. Running efficiently
is only one small part of a champion's equation, however, and how a vertical mile
translates into horizontal distance is another issue, but it is sensible to 
acknowledge that it will have an effect, that is that it is not ridiculous.

BTW, anyone of the athletes has much better form than your average runner.  I would
be interested to see the the analysis of Spence compared to that of a weekend 
marathoner.


-- 
Bob Brand
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From: mbmg@beethoven.mitre.org (Michael B. Michnikov)
Subject: MIZUNO: telephone #
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:34:13 GMT

Does anybody have it? I have their shoes, and want to call them.
Thanx. Mike.
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.195423.10741@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
|> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Aug11.224014.2106@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
|> >|> How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon? That is, if
|> 
|> >One approximation is to adjust pace by 5% to 6% for each doubling or halving
|> >of distance.
|> 
|> Okay, Gordon, that sounds pretty good - but is this approximation good for
|> any event that crosses 'the Wall'? I mean, adjusting by 5% sounds fine for
|> something that can be handled glycogenically, and all that...8-)

You've raised a good point.  First, though, let me add that for those who
only want to compare 10K and marathon, an easier way to calculate the
same approximation is to just multiply 10K time by four and two thirds.  So
a 30 minute 10K is a 2:20 marathon, etc.

This sort of calculation seems to correlate well for the world records over
the range of 1 mile to marathon.  But the world records are not always set
by the same people, ie, individual training is oriented to one event or a
narrow range of events.  Last I heard, the women's 10,000 and marathon
records were held by the same person and matched the formula well.  (I have
not looked up records for a few years, though)

The formula seems to break down beyond the marathon for elite runners. 
About a decade ago, the men's 50-mile record crossed under 5 hours (6:00
minutes per mile) for the first time.  I'm not sure what that record is
now, but would not expect a huge improvement.  The formula would predict that
pacing for 50 miles could be 5% or so slower than for the marathon, but
6:00 or high-five-minute range is much more than 5% slower than marathon
paces in the high-four-minute range.

For non-elite runners, I have only two data points available, a colleague
who is pretty darn good, and myself who is average.  My colleague did some
halves and a 16.2 event that predicted a 2:45 marathon, and he actually did
2:43.  My own best race has been a 25K at 1:49 which predicts about 3:14
for the marathon, and my best marathon is 3:20 which is a bit slower than
predicted, but the formula held up well thru my 20-mile split of 2:28 en
route to the 3:20.  

So the Wall can be a problem indeed.

Numerology freaks can see all sorts of numbers in the following book:

	Computerized Running Training Programs
	James B. Gradner and J. Gerry Purdy
	(c) 1970 TAFNEWS Press
	P.O. Box 296, Los Altos, CA. 94022
	ISBN 0-911520-00-7

Yes, it is a bit old.

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email gkc@udev.cdc.com
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: NYC Marathon Cash Incentives for World Records
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:57:57 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: million dollars, stride angle, snake oil

Here is the incentive schedule released by Fred Lebow for the NYC Marathon 1992:
Now is the time to start your speed training!


Times to beat:

MEN                     WOMEN                 CASH BONUS

2:06:50                 2:21:06               $250,000
2:06:00                 2:21:00                300,000
2:05:00                 2:20:00                375,000
2:04:00                 2:19:00                450,000
2:03:00                 2:18:00                525,000
2:02:00                 2:17:00                600,000
2:01:00                 2:16:00                750,000
2:00:00                 2:15:00              1,000,000


 No, it's not impossible, even at the NYC Marathon, according to Bob Prichard
"the stride angle man" of NBC fame. 

 Mr. Prichard believes that the 2:00:00 men's marathon barrier can be surpassed
by the year 2000. 


[Paraphrased from NYTimes Aug 13,1992 ppB17]

'For every degree a runner can increase his/her stride angle, one
minute can be taken off the marathon time. Prichard also says that the angular
increase is not as simple as changing stride. It's not poor technique but the 
adhesive effect of fibers that develop between the muscles of the thigh,        restricting their range of movement.

'Mr. Prichard has developed a way to "unlock" these fibers. He charges $150.00
per hour but requires the subject to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

'A video tape was shown but Mr. Prichard blocks the actual procedure involved.  It only appeared to take a few seconds to produce results.'
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From: JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Asics Gel
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:36:37 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I was wondering if any one knows anything about the Asics Gel Lyte Ultra.
I have trained in Asics Gel Lytes before and was wondering if the Asics Gel
Lyte Ultra was a training shoe or just a racing shoe.

---Paul Garlitz
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:58:57 GMT
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada

Someone posted two FAQ articles on rec.running a while back. I thought I had saved them
but .....  Anyways, I would appreciate it if someone would email me a copy of
the FAQ's.

Thanks
   Douglas

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From: paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: T&F Schedule: why not more rational?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:22:13 GMT

It seems that the schedule is a rational as possible given the 
time constraints on the T&F schedule as a whole. 
Also, consider the fan's double. They want to see swimming and T&F or
gymnastics and T&F.  Eventually, the Olympics would need 2 or 3 months
to complete and make every possible permutation possible for fan and
athlete.
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From: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Subject: Re: Running on cold, rainy days
Reply-To: bleitch@bcarh407.bnr.ca (Brendan Leitch)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:32:17 GMT

Up here in Ottawa, very cold, wet(freezing rain in the winter) we are old hand
at the problem of dressing for the wet, cold wind.


TWO RULES:

  1) Dress in layers
  2) Keep DRY, this is done by putting the wicking layers closest to the SKIN.


What works for us: (us = the running club I belong to)

    Top:  1st LIFA or some similar 'wicking' material against skin
          2nd turtle neck or long sleeve t-shirt(repeat if needed)
          3rd Shell jacket, Goretex is best, but any layered Nylon
              one will do the job

    Bottom: 1st LIFA or some similar 'wicking' material against skin
            2nd long tights
            3rd wind pants(preferably goretex again, but nylon will do)

    Head: 1st Bella Clava(a thin hat that goes around head like old fashioned
                          ski mask)
          2nd Your shell jacket hat over the Bella-Clava

    Hands: 1st light thin wicking material gloves
           2nd heavier glove

    Feet: your normal socks/shoes - just make sure your bottom clothes cover
          ankles etc.

Side Note:

  I really enjoy running in the winter, except for blizzards.  I enjoy the 
summer much more, but running in the winter is just special.
 
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From: sagerian@delphinium.UUCP (Steve M. Sagerian)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Originator: sagerian@apricot43
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:37:11 GMT

From article <22925@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, by dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero):
>>I believe the 'benefits' to caffeine, if there are any, is that
Lots of stuff deleted....SMS 
>>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
> 
Dan Guerrero writes.... 
> I always thought that the body used carbohydrates as its primary source
> of "fuel".  It was only when the body depleted its store of glycogen that
> it started burning fatty acids.  The byproduct of this process is
> lactic acid, which starts to build up in the muscles...hence the 
> pain and discomfort of "hitting the wall".  So, drinking caffeine
> wouldn't necessarily conserve the body's carbohydrate supply.  But
> if caffeine does increase the fatty acids in the body, then it
> would increase the body's endurance since there would be more
> available "alternative" fuel for the body to burn.

DAN,
I think your information is incorrect, the body uses its fat reserves for over 60 % (i think its closer to 70-75% but I ll play it save) of aerobic activity. Anaerobic activity ( the activity that builds lactic acid) uses 100% glycogen. It turns out that alot of runners do drink coffee to increase their blood FFA concentration and this does conserve their bodys  glycogen concentrations but it also can act to make you have to run to the portapotty.

Steve
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Men's marathon
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:32:38 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

cpk@sequoia.cray.com (Chris Kruell) writes:

>> The 10% he mentioned can be the difference between not even making the
>> olympic team and placing top 6 or so in the olympics.  In a way, he
>> was not incomplete at all, since the things he mentioned are
>> overlooked by many runners, whereas the 90% he didn't mention are
>> noticed and worked on by everyone and thus not as big a deciding
>> factor in close races.  That guy definitely knew what he was talking
>> about.
>> -BR   

>I agree with Brian.  Not only are form and efficiency often overlooked
>by many runners, but form and efficiency have a great deal to do
>with endurance and physical and mental factors.  And it doesn't matter
>if you're on the verge of being world class or on the verge of trying
>to finish a 5k race.  The better (i.e. more efficient) your form,
>the better you're going to feel later in a race, which definitely
>feeds back into your psychological self-evaluations as a race proceeds.

The guys in the Olympic marathon are not "on the verge of world class" 
-- they're some of the best distance runners in the world.
They should define our perceptions of form and style,
not some random commentator.

Preston Briggs
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Las Vegas Marathon
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:05:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Does anyone know the particulars regarding the Las Vegas
Marathon?  Like when, course (flat??), etc.  I would be very
interested in hearing from you.

Shane Esau
spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca
From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: 100, 200 and 400 [m]
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:20:24 GMT
Reply-To: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden


 hello! does anybody out there know what a typical 100,200 and 400[m]
runner's training schedule looks like? is it more work-out than actual
running? do they do a lot of long distance running for training? thankful
for any kind of reply!





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From: scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:52:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Random Olympic Thoughts
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.running



  Does anyone else think that the Kenyans may have had a disappointing meet?
The got two golds (S.C. and 800) and had several other placers, but were 
favored for more than that.

> - Long live the triplecast !!  It was great watching complete distance
>races without interruptions, full field event coverage, and heats of
>races that don't have Americans.  Liquori and Shorter's announcing was
>not the greatest, but they didn't have the benefit of seeing the race
>first like the NBC folk did.  I thought the field event coverage was
>great, especially when Dwight Stones showed up to talk forever. Another
>nice plus was guest announcers like Willie Banks, Carol and Carl Lewis,
>Danny Everett and Leroy Burrell.  

  100% agreement here.  The triplecast was great.  Alot less U.S. hype than
the free broadcast and no personal features to prevent you from seeing actual
competition.  At least two events (1 track and 1 field) were going on at a 
time.  I had trouble picking when to go to the bathroom!  I really liked 
Liquori's annoucing.  However, I thought Bruce Jenner outclassed Dr. Z. 
on the field event coverage.  The swimming, boxing, and wrestling coverage 
was also excellent.  I'd have liked to see alot more track cycling and 
road cycling, but I'm not sure when I would have had time to watch it.

SC
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