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From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: YEA, Baby #3 ... Midwife Info
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:05:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.043752.14974@wam.umd.edu> stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark) writes:
>Midwives are better trained to deal with normal pregnancy.  They are also 
>better trained to recognize when the labor is progressing in a way that
>will require skills that they do not posses.  Before our first child, Mary and
>I interviewed many midwives and one OB/Gyn which Mary had trusted for years.
>These interviews left us both more confident that the midwives were better 
>equiped to handle pregnancy.  Midwives are more involved with their patients 
>and pay much more attention to making a healthy pregnancy.

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree!
>
>OBs are trained as surgeons and I think that that shows in the statistics.  In
>the US, 1/4 of hospital labors end in C-section.

And in the metro DC area, it's 1/3!  
>
>It is true that if you need a C-section, you had better enlist the services
>of a surgeon.  If, however, you do not need one, I think you had better stay
>as far a way from an OB as possible.

You know I've heard it said that the most effective preventative for
c-sections is to have no health insurance :-(.
>
Minx



Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Reply-To: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:05:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
+ 
+ Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
+the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
+He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
+ At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
+ Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
+in life and you are not going to be there.
+ I hate take home math. Take home math takes too much time.
+

Why is it "a man has to do what a man has to do"?  I was picked on and
encountered confrontations in school too.  It is not something that
only happens to boys.  This is exactly the subtle sexism that we are
talking about.  Both sons and daughters will be fighting for their
slice of pie, and both need to learn to stand up for themselves.  In
addition both need to learn how to relate to each other when they
don't need to fight.  Instead of raising well balance individuals, we
(society that is) raise two extremes.

-Lois

ps what if our mythical GI joe doll said, "I need to have a good cry"?

Would that bother people?


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 05:50:08 GMT

Okay, I've been watching this thread for a while, here's my contribution:

Scott Land  (and his sister Finn)

Shawn Lamb

Ray Gunn

Emma Royd

Theresa Greene

Justin Case

Richard (Dick) Chaffer

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

Stacey
From: IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Suicide missions (was Re: choking on a peanut)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:42:27 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Just this morning, as I loaded the car in the garage, I heard my son (not quite
3) suddenly wail in pain in the house. I went back in to find him in my wife's
arms, bawling, as she patted his head and pronounced him a "lunatic."

He had, she explained, laid down on the kitchen floor, yelled, "I'm going to ki
ll you!" then whacked his head on the floor. Moments later, he climbed into the
 back seat of my car and into his car seat, laughing loudly and enjoying the
newnickname his mom had just given him: "Lunatic! Yeah, I'm a lunatic!"

Looking forward to the teenage years...

gc
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:20:37 GMT

In article <BvrIsF.7FD@access.digex.com> minx@access.digex.com (minx) writes:
>I once met a midwife who said that denying laboring women food and fluids
>in case of emergency c-section is like telling anyone who is going to drive
>or ride in a car that they shouldn't eat for 24 hours prior just in case
>they have an accident that necessitates emergency surgery.

I had a C-section. It was about 9 pm in the evening. I went in to labor at 3pm
the same day. I was due at my moms house for dinner, and decided to eat a good
meal, cause I didnt know how long it would take, and worried about getting
hungry. From the car to the labor room, I passed three drinking fountains and
used each one - just to tank up. I got to the hospial at 8pm. They realized 
right away that Jeffrey was in distress (he was stuck in the birth canal, and
his cord was getting cut off). They just gave me this stuff to drink to that
was supposed to dry up my stomach. I was expectiing something truly awful,
but it was about 1/4 cup if some pretty harmless liquid. I am sure it isnt
as optimal as having kept me off food/liquid for 12 hours, but it seemed to
do the trick. None of the doctors, nurses, or the anesthesiologist seemed 
worried about it.

They even gave me breakfast thenext morning. I didnt miss a meal! Shortly
after that the postop pain set in, and I lost my appetite for three weeks.

Laura Floom
From: dhouge@quasar.Tymnet.COM (Diana Houge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Juggling Work and Family
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:56:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

I had to return to work part time when my little boy was 8 weeks old. 
(Markus Adam Houge - born June 15, 1992, 8lbs. 3oz. ;)  
My company does have the family leave policy, but taking that time means
going without pay and paying for your health insurance yourself (In my
case this would be around $500/mo. to cover myself, my husband and my
baby.)  We could not financially afford this.  My baby is now a few days
away from being 4 months old and I had to return to work full time.

What I would like to hear is how other parents have dealt with this 
situation.  I know there are alot of you out there having to work 40
hours a weeks, not to count commute time, and have an infant in daycare
or with a sitter.

I do know that I am fighting the tears almost everyday, missing my baby
and wondering what new accomplishment my sitter will see first and not
me.  

My husband and I live within very modest means.  We own an average track
house and own two cars, (one paid for).  I guess I should mention we live
in San Jose, CA., where an average track house is defined as $230k.  We
were lucky to buy one a few years ago for $180k.  It takes both our
incomes to make the mortgage and pay the bills.  So I can't just quit
and I don't care to hear from those who say you shouldn't have a baby
if you can't afford one. We would have to wait until we were 60 in that
case!  We love little Mark more than I could have
ever imagined possible and we are able to provide him with tons of love
and attention, but I need to know how to deal with the terrible guilt and
the empty space I feel all day without him.

----- 
Diana Houge
BT North America
San Jose, CA
dhouge@dialcom.Tymnet.COM
*All opinions are mine and not my employers*
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:25:54 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <6OCT199211190215@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.025850.11056@engage.pko.dec.com>, 
>pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes...
>
>>In article <1992Oct02.234848.18919@watson.ibm.com> 
>>johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>>>
>>>And midwifes don't typically starve and dehydrate the poor woman for
>>>her entire labor either.  Talk about setting you up for intervention!

>>But if the labor turns out to be difficult or something unexpected
>>happens, it takes a real MD to handle the situation and save the
>>woman's life.  As to "starve" and "dehydrate", well, the real
>>doctors seek to minimize the risk of the worst case, instead of
>>looking to maximize the confort level of the average case.

>In the Netherlands, which has significantly better birth outcomes than the
>U.S. or Canada, 40% of all births are handled at HOME, strictly by
>midwives. No doctor is ever involved. Many hospital births are handled by
>midwives only. The caesarean rate is less than half that in North America,
>and the rates of other interventions are also dramatically lower. A strong
>midwifery system there is credited for keeping obstetrics "honest" and
>restricting the overuse of medical technology by providing an alternative
>model that proves aggressive intervention is only necessary in a small
>minority of births.

Much of the intervention in US practice is caused by our atypical obstetric
population. Our profile is much more like that of a third world country.
We have far more young mothers (under 18, and even more dangerous, under 
15) and grand multiparas than other developed nations.

These two groups are the most likely to require drastic intervention.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jkenton@world.std.com (Jeff Kenton)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Kenton Systems Corporation, Weston MA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:47:07 GMT

In article <16818@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>
>It is painful to watch devoted and well meaning parents
>who are trying to protect their child from something terrible
>that doesn't exist ("possible long term effects of Ritalin")
>and in the process perhaps causing him serious long term harm.
>I would urge you and your wife to make a thorough study of
>the literature on Ritalin.  At least, you should consider trying it short
>term to see what a difference in might make for your son.
>No one thinks there are any harmful effects from a short
>course.  That would give you more data in order to make a
>decision which will have lifelong repercussions for this
>child.
>


I second this suggestion.  I am often sceptical of certain attempts
to drugs problem kids in schools, but I have seen major improvements
in a friend's boy when his parents decided to try Ritalin.

It's worth trying.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Spitting Up, Colic, Birth Story Offer
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:42:10 GMT

[First, I lost the addresses of the people who asked for a birth
story.  Probably you've all had your babies, but I'm ready now
(sorry!).  If you would like to hear a birth/labor story send your
address along.  My husband actually wrote the account, and it's long.
My labor was 13 hours after my water broke, and I had nubane (sp?), an
epidural, a large episiotomy, and a vacuum extraction. This was someone
who wanted no intervention! I just was unable to do it (without
painkillers), even with much effort having gone into training.]

Now I have a baby question to ask. First, how much spitting up is too
much in a 11-week-old? Our son has just started spitting up after
almost every feeding for the past three weeks. This doesn't correspond
to any changes we made in his formula; he's on 1/3 formula, 2/3
breast.  It doesn't seem like a lot--occasionally a half ounce but
mostly just a small stream. Sometimes he seems uncomfortable during the
time he spits up. Is this anything to worry about? He's on SMA Low Iron
formula, the only we could get him to tolerate 6 weeks ago, doctored 
up with Lactaid for a potential lactose intolerance. 

THANKS for all the great supportive mail for Austin's sleeping and gas
problems (I'm the one with the baby that was so uncomfortable that he'd
sleep for 1/2 hour shots around the clock between screaming sessions).
I'm happy to say he no longer cries a lot.  Now we are hoping the sleep
problem goes away.  We've seen a lot of headway; although he is almost
always up from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m., he got 4.5 solid hours in after
2 the other day, and yesterday got 4.75 (if you don't count two times
when he was crying, I picked him up for 2 minutes tops to comfort him,
he had some gas, and he went back to sleep) after 3:00. These were his
first naps over 3 hours EVER and 3 is doing fantastic, for him.

We're enjoying life a lot more now. Austin's smiling and cooing and
playing.  We still do shifts; I sleep from 9:30, though (not 8:00 p.m.
like before) until Greg is ready to drop (anywhere between 1 and 3) and
then I take over until Greg can't sleep anymore. Of course, I sleep
some during Austin's wee hours' ups and downs. Greg is on family leave
now and I'm working half-time.

We're going backwards in a bizarre way toward the sleeping norms for
newborns--sleeping all the time and for 2-3 hours at a time. But I'm
not complaining!!

--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu

P.S. I have been thinking I should do an FAQ on colic.  I have LOTS of
information.I'll let you know if I'm serious in a month or so!
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:26:07 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


I'm married, we own a house, Jordan is almost 3 months old, and I'm
going to be 30 this weekend.  My husband and I frequently look at each
other and say "What if _they_ find out were so young?  Will they take
the house away?  Not let us keep our baby?"

I told my husband about this thread, and said I still didn't feel
grown up, when did he think I would.  He smiled and said, "Someday
you're going to get a card in the mail," (bigger smile), "and it'll
say, 'dear Grandma, thanks for the neat present'", (biggest smile),
"and you'll turn to me and say, 'Oh no! what if they find out how
young we are--they'll take our house away and make us live in a
hovel!'"

Last night, though, the kitchen floor had icky stuff on it, and I went
and go the broom and swept it up--now _that's_ grownup.

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:16:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Summary: places to live in the USA (ratings)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Thanks for the review of "best places to live".  I have a couple of things
the comment on and add.  Last spring I think a magazine named "Outside" had
an article on "Best Places to Live with access to the great Outside".  I
only scanned the article at the bookstore, but I remember it saying that the
Portland area was about 25 years behind the SF Bay Area in terms of population,
traffic (with all that water, and I-5 on towers above the city???), and crime.
But, you take what you read with a grain of salt, right?  Other areas they
talked about were Boise, Santa Fe New Mexico, and the front range cities in
Colorado.

I appreciated the commends on Salt Lake City.  Alot of the business press
is touting the Utah area as a boon to stable employees (unlike us Flakes in
Silicon Valley!).  (Business Week, very recent I think).  I would be a little
concerned about Boise, Idaho for the parochial/church influence also.

Now for some input on my real experience!  I'm from South Dakota.  On the
Money magazine survey they listed Sioux Falls, SD, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and
Fargo, ND, as good places to live.  Sioux Falls, and Fargo are both nice cities,
but overwhelmingly white.  (I think Money mentions this).  If you value
diversity, you won't find it here.  The politics and attitudes are less
conservative and parochial than you'll find in Utah, Idaho, Eastern 
Washington, and Oregon.  As a professional woman working in these cities, I
think you'd be pleased.  As for Minneapolis/St. Paul I think you'd find the 
opportunities for women, child care, diverse politics and people to be 
wonderful.  The only downside here in my opinion is the climate, and possibly 
the cost of living due to fuel and taxes.  (Oregon has very high income taxes
and property taxes also).

If anyone has some inputs on Raleigh-Durham and Charlotte, NC; and Virginia
Beach, VA I'd be interested, these cities tend to come up in the business
press as good places for technology and families.

Again thanks for the input, and good luck
Ivy Griffiths
Santa Clara Valley (aka Silicon Valley)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ted@ocsmd.ocs.com (Ted Scott)
Subject: Re: Lead paint tester
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.  Germantown, Md., 20874
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:49:53 GMT

Teresa Boucher (boucher@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:
: In misc.kids, dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
: >Does anybody know of a cheap and/or easy way to test if the paint
: >in my apartment are lead based?
: 
: David:  There are several new test kits out on the market which make
: it easy for you to test for lead.  On that I know of is LeadCheck swabs,

Provided that they are used correctly and can get to the lead. 

:     Both kits can be obtained by writing The Lead Institute, Box 591244,
: San Francisco, CA  94118.

In the past couple of issues of "The Old House Journal" (great for 
old house owners, different thread) there was an excellent treatise on
lead abatement and control. By far the safest thing to do whenever 
possible is to isolate lead and make it inaccessable. If you must remove
lead paint do it wet, so there is no dust. Also check your windows in the
sash runs, the rubbing creates dust.

Sorry I don't have the address of "TOHJ" here at work, email me or ask
your librarian.

--

-Ted Scott          
tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
(301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Gerry backpacks
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:34:54 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Thanks, Paula B. for the postings regarding camping with infants and
backpacks.  Question for all those with Gerry backpacks:

So, how does one take it apart to wash the canvas?  I've tried, but
couldn't figure it out.  Is there a way to unsnap the metal frame apart?

Thanks,

Donna
From: jgt10@uts.amdahl.com (John G. Thompson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 3.5 year old tantrums
Summary: 3.5 yr old and younger brother, we think.
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:04:30 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

My wife and I are confused and frustrated.  Normal for parenting,
I know.  Let me explain.

We have two boys, Erik (3.5) and Alex (1.5).  What we
discovered is that Erik will go into a behavior mode
to a situation that is nearly impossible to get him out of.
When he does come out of this 'bad behavior' it is instantaneous.
One moment he is bouncing on his brother's bed, slapping him
on the head, pushing him down, etc. and the next he says he'll
have 'good behavior'.

What is frustrating is that the methods we were using before to
control behavior aren't working.  Previously we had used an 
escalation of timeouts on a stair, in a laundry room (his 
bedroom was too much fun), a single swat on the thigh 
rarely resulted in the swat.  No longer, after a timeout
it is like nothing happened, he comes charging out, right for
Alex.

We can classify two activators: having to pay specific attention
to Alex for some reason (diaper change, bed time, bath, etc) and 
asking him to do something he may not want to do (go potty, 
get ready for bed, etc.).

About the only thing we have found that can stop this nonlinear
behavior is a threat of removing a privilege (watching a video,
going outside to play, playing 'pirates' or 'ambulance').

I am interested in knowing if other parents have run into this 
return of tantrums and what they found worked for them.  ANY
insights would be greatly appreciated.
-- 

John G. Thompson        Amdahl Corporation      jgt10@uts.amdahl.com 
  KD6KID                P.O. Box 3470 MS 340    {sun,uunet}!amdahl!jgt10
#include <disclamer.h>  Sunnyvale, CA 94088     1-408-737-5708

Go ahead, flame me...I've got heavy duty surge protectors.
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Need Twins FAQ File
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Distribution: world
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

Last week, my brother called to tell me that he and his wife are 
expecting a child in June.  This week, he called and told me
that they are expecting TWINS.  Unfortunately, none of us know
anything about expecting twins (they don't run in any of our
families).  If there is a FAQ file on twins, PLEASE send it.
They just found out Friday and are pretty anxious.  

Thanks in advance,
Paulette Leeper

-- 
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NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:11:06 GMT


I will not respond to Andy's posting line-by-line, simply because
I've made my points and he's made his.  My lack of further participation
does not indicate concession.  It indicates lack of time and desire on
my part.

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
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From: at555@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (C. A. Melfi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fisher-Price car seat recall
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:09:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I saw a similar article, although the article I saw didn't even
give model numbers.  The article gave the same 800-number that
you list, but I couldn't get through either.  So I called the 
Fsher-Price HQ in East Aurora, NY (716) 687-3000 and told them
my problem.  They were very unsympathetic, and wouldn't (couldn't?)
even tell me if the model I have (9104) is being recalled.  They
did give me another 800-number to try.  (800) 527-1034.  I haven't
gotten through yet, but haven't been trying very long.

Really frustrating.

If anyone has gotten through to F-P, or has more info on the recall,
please post.  Thanks.

-Cathy (Mom to Sarah who turns 1yo on 10/22)