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Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:15:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Dec28.101953.26482@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen) writes:

>P.S. Chaosium also spells the name of his book wrong. It's
>'Unaussprechlichen Kulten', with two 's':s in the middle, not
>'Unausprechlichen'. (That I am sure of, it's so elementary [or...?]).

Actually I think "Unaussprechliche Kulten" would be the correct form...

Peter.
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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Horror Hyperzine
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:40:28 GMT

The Horror Hyperzine (hypercard magazine) has been released for a test run in 
mac.archive.umich.edu. It should be in the hypercard directory. If there is 
enough interest, there will be a second issue, if not....
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From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:35:34 GMT


In article 20283@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de, WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias) writes:
>Dear fellows,
>
>In <1992Dec30.121255.9801@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sn@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:
>
>>    Thanks... but what about the Junzt/Juntz -question ? Are the both
>> names right ?
>
>*arrrggghhh* =:-() sorry, must have missed this question. If I remember
>correctly it's Juntz - and my feeling for my mother language also tells
>me... Junzt would be too fancy, wouldn't it?
>
>> BTW. The same problem with Latin : I've seen 'De Vermis Mysteriis' and 'De
>> Vermiis Mysteriis'. Anybody native Roman out there ...:) ?
>
>:-) No, of course - but it shouldn't be too hard to find it out, or what do
>the other fellows in this group mean? I guess De Vermis Mysteriis is
>right...
>
>Stay clean.... Matthias
>



Salve omnes!

   Ego sum discipul..  Er, hi!  Vermis is a third declension noun in Latin, masculine
in gender (I knew I learned Latin and Classical Greek for a reason!).  The genitive,
denoting possession, is also vermis.  Since we have "On the mysteries of the worm"
as the name of the book in question (translated), the Latin "De Mysteriis Vermis" or 
"De Vermis Mysteriis" is correct.  The "De" takes an ablative "Mysteriis" by the way.


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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:08:11 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
In article <1992Dec28.101953.26482@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen) writes:
|> 
|>    Although this notorious name is clearly German-based, I'm not quite
|> sure if it's an actual German name. According to my own (rather hazy)
|> knowledge of German, words like that are usually spelled with the 't'
|> before the 'z' (as in 'schwartz'). So, I think that the right form
|> would be 'von Juntz'. Are there any native Germans out there who could
|> say which, if either, form is correct ?
|>   I know that the name was made up by Robert E. Howard (author of
|> Conan), so he might not have been very precise on right form of
|> spelling. 
|> 
|> ---sn@phoenix.oulu.fi
|> 
|> P.S. Chaosium also spells the name of his book wrong. It's
|> 'Unaussprechlichen Kulten', with two 's':s in the middle, not
|> 'Unausprechlichen'. (That I am sure of, it's so elementary [or...?]).

You're correct, my man.  I've had a terrible time with that name because
I've ALWAYS wanted to fix the spelling (and often do anyway, seeing as
how I'm an anal-retentive Editor).  Also, I was just reading a lengthy
piece about Mr. Howard which was a forward to one of his recently
re-released books (I think it was called "Hour of Darkness" or some
such thing).  Howard was apparently pretty notorious at *Weird Tales*
for his bad spelling.  Some of his writing is just being released
in its original form (sans any editting or other corrections) as it
was submitted to Weird Tales.  Eeek!  (Don't mind me...)

M-

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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Clearing the rumors..
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:10:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Mystery Hill/America's Stonehenge:

	(Assuming approach from Boston  8)>>...)
	NORTH to NH 28 (your choice of routes.  I93 to EAST on NH 111 is one
	option).
	
	NORTH on NH 28 to the junction with NH 111.  (if coming from I93 on
	NH 111, stay with NH 111.  (The intersction of 28 and 111 is "busy"
	and is a 5 way to boot, so careful.)
	
	EAST (compass NE) on NH 111 for about 2 miles.

	If memory serves its RIGHT onto a secondary road, then RIGHT again
	into the AS/MH parking lot.

	Its in NORTH SALEM, NH, tho the map shows a location of (ahemmmmm)
	"Cowbell Corners".

	The "stonehenge" tag can set false expectations.  No massive standing
	stones, just low stone built remains, hugging the hillside/top.  Is
	it ancient or mysterious?  Dunno....
	
	(actually, a visit now, near the solstice might be interesting...)

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From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Real-life Dunwich horror
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:06:09 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:

>   Well, I don't know if they came over, but Robert Bloch (author of
>Psycho, acquaintace of HPL) wwrote a mythos story called "Notebook Found
>in a Deserted House" that depicts the Celts living secretly underground in
>New England forests, worshipping Shub-niggurath.  It can be found in
>_Tales_of_the_Cthulhu_Mythos_ published by Arkham House.

Specifically, that story (a good one, BTW) depicts Celts as living around
Roodsford, which, as we know from Bloch's "Satan's Servants", is on the Maine
coast.


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From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: The other Innsmouths
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:00:40 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (The Human Mi-Go) writes:

>But my researches indicate that there are at least 2 other Innsmouths.
>The first is a sleepy, half-deserted fishing village on the south coast of
>Cornwall, England. King Kuranes of Dreamlands fame was born nearby. The second
>is a copy constructed by Kuranes in the Dreamlands, near Celephais.
...
>The questions are (1) have I got this right, and (2) if so, does anyone
>have any idea which real Cornish fishing village might have been the
>prototype for this place?

Certainly the Innsmouth, England, is solidly established.  But this is the
first I've heard of Kuranes's copy also being called "Innsmouth".

From my reading of DREAM-QUEST, I understood the copy to be of Kuranes's
ancestral home (Trevor Towers) and surrounding village (which would be
Innsmouth), but this was all part of Celephais and not a separate village in
the Dreamlands.

Which village might have been the prototype?  Certainly not Goole, which is in
the north-east.  I don't know that HPL expressed an interest in *any* Cornish
fishing village.  However, it is significant that Kuranes lost his ancestral
home to "a fat, millionaire brewer"---a situation similar to the Lovecraft
having to move out of *his* ancestral home in Providence after the death of his
grandfather.  By that reasoning, the prototype for Kuranes's "Innsmouth" may
have been Providence, RI!


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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Hunting for Campell and Smith
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:22:42 GMT

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In article <1992Dec23.110257.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair) writes:
>    Or where to find Clark Ashton Smith's "Seven Geases"?
>
>            -Jim
Here are some places you can find it (two of them are actually in print).
The Oct 1934 issue of Weird Tales, Popular Fiction Publishing Company
Lost Worlds, Arkham House, 1944
A Rendezvous in Averoigne, Arkham House, 1988 (IN PRINT, cost is $22.95)
Tales of the Lovecraft Mythos (edited by Robert M Price), 
    Fedogan & Bremer, 1992 (IN PRINT, cost is $27.00).

It was also published in some paperback volumes which you probably
can track down in a used bookstore (I'm thinking in particular of
Lin Carter's Adult Fantasy series from the early 70's and the
collections in the Timescape series from the early 80's).

Your best bet is probably the recent Arkham House volume I mention above.
It contains ~30 CAS stories which are certainly among CAS's best and is
quite easy to come by. If you have trouble finding it, it can be ordered
directly from Arkham House. I have their address on hand, drop me a note
if you want it.

Mark
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From: WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias)
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:22:51 GMT
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In <1992Dec28.121521.4559@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz writes:

> Actually I think "Unaussprechliche Kulten" would be the correct form...

The original title is: "von unaussprechlichen Kulten"

Greetings... Matthias

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From: xrjdm@twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph D. McMahon)
Subject: Re: Hunting for Campell and Smith
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:45:07 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.110257.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair) writes:
> 
>      Does anyone know if some of J.Ramsey Campbell's earlier Lovecraftian 
> works are availible in print? 
>
Look for a paperback version of "Cold Print" in your local used bookstore.
It has "The Inhabitant of the Lake" and several others from both his
pastiche phase and his homage phase. "The Voice of the Beach" is great!

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From: sn@phoenix.oulu.fi (Sami Nieminen)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Von Junzt - spelling question
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:19:53 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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   Although this notorious name is clearly German-based, I'm not quite
sure if it's an actual German name. According to my own (rather hazy)
knowledge of German, words like that are usually spelled with the 't'
before the 'z' (as in 'schwartz'). So, I think that the right form
would be 'von Juntz'. Are there any native Germans out there who could
say which, if either, form is correct ?
  I know that the name was made up by Robert E. Howard (author of
Conan), so he might not have been very precise on right form of
spelling. 

---sn@phoenix.oulu.fi

P.S. Chaosium also spells the name of his book wrong. It's
'Unaussprechlichen Kulten', with two 's':s in the middle, not
'Unausprechlichen'. (That I am sure of, it's so elementary [or...?]).
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From: jbuhler@owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Daniel Buhler)
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Summary: Junzt, Alhazred, etc
Keywords: Junzt Juntz Alhazred 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:53:31 GMT

> correctly it's Juntz - and my feeling for my mother language also tells
> me... Junzt would be too fancy, wouldn't it?

With great respect for your mother language ... maybe HPL fudged it a little? 
To my emphatically yankee ear, von Junzt sounds much more mysterious and 
sinister than von Juntz.  I can only point to HPL's use of Abdul Alhazred -
a very un-Arabic name, but impressive to Americans (and obviously French, 
Germans, etc :-).  Chaosium, in their Call Of Cthulhu, changed the name (I 
disremember how) to be more authentically Arabic, but it gains nothing in
dramatic effect.  I think it's Abd al-Azred?


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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Clearing the rumors..
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:32:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <Dec.21.16.15.08.1992.6619@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes...
>tholeva@bu.edu (Thomas Holeva) writes:

>>First of all can someone tell me where exactly is the 'American Stonehenge.'
>>As I'm in school in Boston, I'd like to go see it.

>It's called "Mystery Hill".  I forget the name of the New Hampshire town it's
>in (Exeter?), but any good guidebook for NH should have it.  (It's south and
>west of Manchester, about 10 miles from the local Anheuser-Busch brewery, as I
>visited both sites one summer day over 10 years ago.)

	Ahhhh.  Visited the brewery first, perchance?
	Many 8)>>

	It EAST of the river.  More like SSE as the <unnameable> flies from the
	brewery.

	I should think a visit in spring, or summer might be best, perhaps one
	of each, other commitments permitting.

	I will post proper directions Once I find the map which has scuttled
	under the tape drive.

	NORTH on NH 28 (I think), follow sings to DERRY, but if you get
	to DERRY, you have gone to far.  Small, Brown, Rectangular signs
	(State Issue, tho its not a state park.)

	EAST from NH28.  Much mall shopping on the south part of 28 (I don't,
	but if someone needs an excuse).  Robert Frost Farm is a bit further
	NORTH.  (Same comment.)  If you get to THAT, you've gone too far.


>>Also, it's doubtful that it's a ciderpress since apples were brought over
>>with the Europeans.
	My impression was that there are native apples.

	I have visited Mystery Hill (one "trade name") twice.  Once as a random
	visitor, once as a part of a study group looking at the oddities of
	prehistory (so we got a bit more, perhaps, than the random tourists.)
	Myself, i remain unconvinced, either way, as to prehistoric Celt's, etc.

thanks
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From: bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (The Human Mi-Go)
Subject: Re: The other Innsmouths
Originator: bcannard@hppcb36
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:07:39 GMT
Reply-To: bob_cannard@mentorg.com
Organization: Yuggoth Ores and Quality Used Brains
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 



Spoiler alert: Stop reading if you haven't read "Celephais" or "The
Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath".





















In article <Dec.21.16.00.40.1992.5485@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
|> 
[my speculations re Cornish Innsmouth sacrificed to the god of bandwidth]
|> 
|> Certainly the Innsmouth, England, is solidly established.  But this is the
|> first I've heard of Kuranes's copy also being called "Innsmouth".
|> 
|> From my reading of DREAM-QUEST, I understood the copy to be of Kuranes's
|> ancestral home (Trevor Towers) and surrounding village (which would be
|> Innsmouth), but this was all part of Celephais and not a separate village in
|> the Dreamlands.

As far as I am aware neither "Celephais" nor "Dream-quest" name the
Dreamlands echo(es) of the village; maybe it's called Innsmouth, maybe
it ain't, maybe it's named in some other tale that I haven't read, the
important thing is that it's modelled on an Innsmouth.

According to "Dream-Quest" Kuranes' Gothic manor is in "a small tract
of such countryside in the region east of the city", and the village
is "on the coast nearby", putting them both near but outside the city
of Celephais. Similarly the village is not "surrounding" Trevor Towers.

Are the villages mentioned by the two stories identical? The "Dream-Quest"
village is very much a product of Kuranes' post-death boredom, while the
"Celephais" village was in place long before he died - not that time has
too much meaning in the Dreamlands. Further, the "Dream-Quest" village is
an artefact of the Dreamlands, whereas the "Celephais" village seems to be
more like Lomar - waking-world places that have slowly drifted into the
Dreamlands. If my reasoning is correct, the "Celephais" village would
be called Innsmouth, simply because it is one with the Cornish fishing-
village.

This suggests there are at least 4 Innsmouths, 2 in the waking world
on either side of the Atlantic and 2 in the Dreamlands, one of which
is a folly, possibly known under some other name.

Any thoughts?

Ia Shub-Niggurath,

	Bob.
	
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From: WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias)
Subject: Re: Von Junzt - spelling question
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:22:51 GMT
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Dear fellows,

In <1992Dec30.121255.9801@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sn@phoenix.oulu.fi writes:

>    Thanks... but what about the Junzt/Juntz -question ? Are the both
> names right ?

*arrrggghhh* =:-() sorry, must have missed this question. If I remember
correctly it's Juntz - and my feeling for my mother language also tells
me... Junzt would be too fancy, wouldn't it?

> BTW. The same problem with Latin : I've seen 'De Vermis Mysteriis' and 'De
> Vermiis Mysteriis'. Anybody native Roman out there ...:) ?

:-) No, of course - but it shouldn't be too hard to find it out, or what do
the other fellows in this group mean? I guess De Vermis Mysteriis is
right...

Stay clean.... Matthias

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From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: More Alies Vs. Predator news
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:02:34 GMT

In Wizard Magazine, it is metioned once again that Aliens vs. Predators will
be shooting next year.  The movie will be titled ALIENS VS PREDATORS: THE HUNT.
It will be based on the mini-series comic book.  I'd advise you to grab
yourself a copy or two of the series, because the value will shoot up VERY
high.  As an example of how much comics can go up in price from popularity,
the Superman comic in which he dies is now worth almost $40!!

 
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:23:29 GMT

>Various people have posted interesting explanations of "Jacob's Ladder".
>Several of the more recent ones have confused two of the characters.
>There is a mysterious stranger, who tells our hero that he was an
>participant in a secret mind control, drug experiment.  Then there is
>the more important character, Louie, played by Danny Aeillo (sp?), who
>our hero thinks of as his chiropractor.  Recent posters have referred
>to the mysterious stranger as Louie.
>
>The chiropractor is the more important character, he gives our hero
>important spiritual advice, displays super-human powers when he rescues

  Thanks!  You're absolutely right.  I learned to like Danny Aiello from
  this movie.  It was a critical role and he played it perfectly.

>our hero from the VA hospital.  I believe that "Louie" is actually
>supposed to be "Lucifer".
>
>I watch for name clues like this nowadays.  I saw "Angel Heart" with

   Good idea, and that he takes on the name of the fallen angel
   is also interesting, given that he is pragmatic, but clearly
   good.   
   
   And of course you noticed that the culkinator's name was Gabe.


   Wayne


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