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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:27:20 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Kind of Blue / 24k Gold CD's

Back in December, da Beer said:

>There is a newer version of Kind Of Blue on CD.  A friend of mine has
>it, and he says it is truly amazing.  He is going to loan it to me soon,
>and I will do a comparison with the original CD issue.

I called my local CD emporium, and they said the same about the sound, BUT
they said it's, like, $27!!! YOW! Apparently it's part of a new line of 24k
gold plated discs from Sony, similar to the stuff Mobile Fidelity has been
doing. Since DCC is now making gold discs too, apparently Sony is jumping
into that market. I'm starting to think it's a scam, personally. I'd rather
they just go ahead and get the sound right at the beginning, and the 24k gold
treatment, while it does prevent problems with oxidation (not a particularly
frequent problem), seems about as useful as those tacky gold colored grills
people put on their cars nowadays.

BTW, Marsha, didja get your CD player??? You owe us a review of KoB if so! :-)

Interestingly, in the latest issue of Stereophile, Corey Greenberg reviewed
the DCC 'gold' version of Cream's Wheels of Fire and raved about it and DCC
(that's as in D. Compact Classics, where D. is the name of the guy who started
the company, not as in Digital Compact Cassette :-), and really slammed Mobile
Fidelity's gold discs. The guys at my local store said some folks swear by the
MF gold CD's, others can't tell the difference. I suspect it depends greatly
on the specific recording. I have Pink Floyd's The Wall on MF Ultradisk
(mostly because I got it at nearly the same price as the standard version),
but don't have the standard version to make a comparison. Have any of you out
there compared 'gold' and standard versions of CD's? Opinions, anyone?

Paul
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:52:48 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      distinctively speaking

Ken Koester sez:
>What is that something?  (Yes, Gentle Reader:  the *question* is the point!)

i would say that the distinctiveness of an artist or a style is a com-
bination of factors, the most important of which would have to be the
degree of influence that others have had on one's music. i'm not saying
that someone who is influenced by another musician is going to be in-
distinctive, but i would say that someone who does not fully develop
their own sound within the framework of their influences would be. some
examples: sarah mclachlan. she has stated that her first record was, in
essence, an attempt to create something like the music which touched her
in high school (peter gabriel, KaTe bush, etc). when _touch_ was released,
that's about what the all the reviews of it said it was as well. i like
that album quite a bit, but i could never associate song titles with
the songs on it from memory - nothing ever *stuck* in my brain to do so.
on the other hand, her second album, _solace_, is much more hers in style
and arrangement. sure, you can still hear bits and pieces of the elements
that made _touch_ instantly comparable to the bushes and gabriels of the
music world, but there is something noticeably mclachlan that made the
album distinctly hers. for anecdotal eveidence, i offer the fact that i
can name all the songs on the album by ear.

i did say factors though. these might include gimmicks (ian anderson's
flute), physical factors (unique voices such as tom waits) or other
immediately recognizable features that are easily picked out by the average
music listener.

i would also say that part of the burden rests on the listener as well.
ken mentioned that he couldn't distinguish between rappers, yet there is
a wide spectrum of rappers from the suburban lightweights to the hardcore
militants which someone who knows rap will be able to notice differences
in. someone who doesn't like female vocalists is just as likley to say
that suzanne vega and sara k are similar since they don't know about the
two singers and really couldn't care less. so there is a strong element
of knowledge and appreciation in there as well.

woj
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:35:44 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The 40's and 50's

Dear Dave,
  Welcome to the wonderful world of sociology. The description of this
(50s) pop subculture fits formations in other decades because they are
structurally similar, not because history repeats itself. Or, if you'd
rather it that way, then you could say that the reason for historical
repetition is known, and is a function of social structure. If there are
surprising, even daunting similarities between the culture, the experience,
and the behaviour of people involved with swing, bop, r 'n r, funk, psyche-
delic, disco, punk, new wave, alternative, and on ad infinitum, it not
because there is some inherent resemblance in these musics, but because
this society is constructed in a way which has changed relatively little
with respect to the way in which it forms and treats minorities.
  What about it? Musicology will never show you this, psychobabble looks
for it in the wrong place (i.e. in your nerve endings), and political
science tells you it's a plot to sell records. If you wanna understand
the very latest, my boy, then read Max Weber.
Cheers,
Michael
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From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald)
Subject: RE: _Love, Devotion and Surrender_
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:38:33 GMT

In article <930106134455.2d800749@UNHH.UNH.EDU>, Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU> writes:
>>   They do a nice acoustic version of _Naima_ and extended versions of _Let
>>Us Go Into The House of The Lord_ and _A Love Supreme_ (yes, *that* one).
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Carlos played it at least once during his tour this past summer.  I seem
>to remember a recent 'view with Santana where he puts down Chimnoy et al
>as lightweights.
>
>Russ


Paul, I'm a bit disappointed that Chuck called this recording self-indulgent.
I listened to it again recently after not hearing it for many years, and
found that the playing magnificent, with JM and Santana spurring each other
on to incredible effect.  Frankly, I have never heard Santana play better
solos than on this recording.

michael mcdonald
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Subject: Re: So far, so good...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:28:17 GMT
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In a previous article, gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (The Tape Dude) says:

>These people told me they would participate, but I haven't seen anything
>from them yet:

>PRESTON@MOREKYPR                         Jeff Preston

  Well, I'm still debating on my contributions, but I know for a fact
you won't have a copy of one of the tunes, nor will you be able to borrow
it, 'cause it's probably never left my apartment. I chickened out the
first time around because I didn't want to be the only one plugging my
own material, but as it turned out, both Da Beer and Dan Robichaud took
the plunge. So now it's my turn to subject the participants to my own
exquisite forms of torture. Hey, maybe I'll even tack on a blues intro
for Leonard's sake.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:01:44 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Oh sh*t

Among the many typos that went out in that
last unproofread post was the very, Very
embarrassing:

>DEATH TO ALL WHO OPPOSE

Cut me some slack, folks.  You know what I meant.

                             -T
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:57:22 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      one hit wonders

how about the Trashmen with "Surfin' Bird"?
Til Tuesday "Voices Carry"?

more later,

 3
M
From: ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins)
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Subject: Re: MTV
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:07:01 GMT
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On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:54:47 PST Mike Masuda said:
>I hate MTV.
>But I do like PG's videos, because he does so many bizarre
>things in them.
>Also, I haven't seen most of them, so it is a neat treat to see
>an old video by him, even if it is on MTV.
>Kate Bush is also another fave of mine for making obscure videos
>with great choreography.  I wish MTV would show more of her stuff,
>but, of course, she's not mainstream enough.
>Here's a thread for ya:  For those who watch MTV and hate it, what
>videos would you like to see on there to give MTV a kick in the ass?

I can't say I hate MTV, i do hate it that a video can sell a lackluster
tune, while an excellent tune or group will not have alot of sales because
they don't have a video. IMHO MTV has hurt the music scene. Last night while
swithcing channels to dub a video i caught the Eagle's Long Run video it just
showed them in the studio playing I like Joe Walsh so i enjoyed that one.
The kind of videos i like are the live footage and and videos where the
artist are playing, don't care fot the "theme" type videos. Read an ad for
an Allman Bros video that said the classic line-up, i wonder if that includes
Duanne i would like to see a quality video of Duanne does anyone know if there
is one out there.......L.W.
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:50:14 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      TAPE REVIEWS

Yo', David (as in Malbuff); many THANKS!  Just got yer' review!  It's
already IN 'I.N.' #8 - just SUPER!

Lookin' fo-ward to all the rest of yer' reviews!

ZZAJ
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:15:51 EST
From:         E Pluribus Unix <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Barry Publications, again

OK, woj, if you sent your $5 to BARRY PUBLICATIONS, you will probably
also get what I got today:

$10 SURPRISE PACKAGE

Get a minumum of 4 L.P. albums of the exact type of music you want...all
factory fresh...for only $10...we pay all shipping costs

They have a little survey where I fill in my favorite music types and
performers.

I just might have to indulge in this one.

For the really ballsy (i.e. it would take balls to send them this much money)
types, they also have a $20, a $50 and a $100 Musical Heaven Package which
contains a minimum of 60!!! L.P. albums. I can see the UPS guy carrying
60 albums to my house now. :-)  He'd need a crane.

They must have a lot of stuff laying around. What do you all think about
this? All I got to lose is ten bucks.

A non-musical note: I've been using a different mail program lately called
ELM. I'm sure many of you use it. A problem is that I'm forced to use
these cheesy editors like EMACS and VI that I used back in college. Gawd,
VI sucks dead wet duck farts. If someone could tell me the command or
keystroke to import a file into the current file using VI and EMACS, I would
be forever grateful. Please don't say "Do a 'man vi'", because I already did
that. Also, how do I set up Key bindings so I can use the arrow keys on
my keyboard?  Thanks. These PC editors really spoil ya after a while.

Seeya,                                          gmgettie@thama1.apgea.army.mil
Gary
"Never do a drug named after a part of your own ass"
-- Dennis Leary
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:25:12 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      what i'm listening to these days/mtv

Well.

i tend to play things to death, (much to the dismay of
the rockstar marine) so i'm still listening to
the Spin Doctors, and my accoustic Everything But
The Girl cd.

i like mtv. don't like the new 'talk show' format
stuff though. just opens the door for yet more
corporate sponsorship and more slick commercials
bastardizing yet more songs of my youth.

ran into a friend the other night at super shaws (grocery
store here in town. don't like to go there too often
as there are far too many poor people and they get
in my way.  gotta avoid that particular grocery store
during the first week of the month, since that is
when the WIC coupon books come out.  they do have a pretty
good pasta section though. and the marine claims that shaws
has the largest sausage and balogna department that
he's ever seen.  I like the shaws brand seltzer, which
sells for 2 1 litre bottles for .89.  good deal, that)
anyway, we ran into marshall and he said, you know you
are getting old when today bands are putting out a compilation
of covers from your youth.  someone is actually covering
"the human league"! don't ask me why, i really don't have
all the answers, contrary to popular belief.  this friend of
mine is a few (4 maybe?) years younger than i am, and
he really is of the TV generation.  poor white trash
that we were, we didn't even own a color tv until
i was 17 years old. and we didn't get cable strung in
my town until i had been in college for three years.

Needless to say, i didn't grow up on television. maybe
that's why mtv (and the whole spectrum of cable wonderfullness)
is such a treat for me. I am hypmotized most of the time
when tv is on.  i don't miss it when it isn't on, mind you,
i'm not a crazy tube maniac, but when it is on i am at peace.

i've been watching a lot of the nashville network.  bad hair,
though. a lot of really bad nashville hair. In fact, just
the other day i was watching TNN.  they were doing their evening
broadcast of their video show and in one hour they probably played
8 or 10 vids. and all of them were male singer/songwriter/preener/whatever.
I find it hard to believe that there are so few women based country
music vids.  I was disheartened to say the least.  i expect that kind
of shit from mtv, but not from country. although, one good thing about
country is in the little left hand credit thing it as the artist,
the record company _and_ the songwriter. i like that.

anyway.

the marine gets to pick the weekly cd. i'm sure he'll get something
that i hate.

love,

jenna
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:30:00 EST
From:         "John M." <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Rain songs

>>> Can anyone think of songs about rain, or with rain in the title?

>November rain (Guns'n'Roses)

OK, so boredom overtook me.

But sheesh, how much time ya got?

I mean, rain must be one of the most overabused metaphors in music...

"Let it Rain" - Clapton
"Rain" - Beatles
"Singing in the Rain" - ummmmm....
"Raindrops keep falling on my head" - B.J. Thomas
"Rain Song" - Led Zeppelin

I could go on, but what would be the point?

OK, got a question - anyone know who recorded a song called "Book of Rules"?
I heard Bobby & the Midnights cover it once, but I'm looking for the original
recording. Methinks it's of Jamaican origin, but that's the only clue I've
got.

And speaking of blues (were we speaking of blues?), it seems that there's been
a huge revival of interest in it lately, at least here in Atlanta. We've had
about ten blues clubs open up here in the last coupla years, and it shows no
sign of abating anytime soon. Some great local blues acts have ridden this wave
of popularity, my favorite being the Mighty Fine Slabs. So is this a nationwide
trend or what?

-JM
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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Double Bass for Sale
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:57:00 +0000

Subject: Double Bass for Sale
=============================

[For UK post only: Sorry my mailer can't automatically do UK 
distribution posts.]


3/4 size Double Bass for sale. Blonde, carved Zeller model, includes 
soft case. A-mazing sound, but sadly I'm moving to smaller premises 
that only allow for my bass guitars.

Two years old, never gigged, never left my house and it's in 
absolutely pristine condition. Cost #670. Want to sell for #550 
o.n.o.

Please don't follow up in this newsgroup, please Email me for more 
information and I'll post you my telephone number if you';re 
interested.

Thank you

Clive Grace
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:11:29 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders
              "mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Jan 8, 93 09:34:08 am

Marsha sez:

> How many "one-hit wonders" do you remember. Now, I know you guys don't
> listen to much top-40, but this can be anything. A jazz artist with one
> decent song, a metal group who made a grea album and then was nevcer heard
> from again....Her are some Top-40 examples from my childhood....
>
> etc. I'm curions what y'all wuld come up with...

Old subjects never die. HOOOLLLYYYY GGGAAADDDZZZOOOOOOOOKKKKKSSSSSS!!!!!

Don't do it. Don't respond to this. I can't take another one. This happened
last year and the results were devastating ---> massive amounts of one-liners
for weeks, months!!!!!

Maybe someone made a list last year....Nah..

Omigod!!! Not the whunhitwhunders again...please, no!!!!

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:29:46 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the flame game

>Can anyone
>name ONE single POSITIVE accomplishment of this weenie-wagging foolishness?
>(Ah-HUH! I thought not..)
>Michael

Whoa! Think again.  How about some obscure musician getting a mention,
prompting the more adventurous to track down, at great personal cost,
recordings of said musician, then to be awestruck by the seminal beauty
of his/her artistry?

Then again, maybe just as an antidote to boredom?

Russ (soon to come, a list of reasons why I like lists)

better put a smiley in     :-)
From: knossos@carson.u.washington.edu (Judy Broocks)
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Subject: Another "Who wrote that song" Question Revisited
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:30:33 GMT
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Hi there.

This is Judy, the one who asked about the song "All you Zombies" by the
Hooters. Now I know the title and who wrote the thing. 

Somehow the replys indicate they just might not be a well-loved group of
musicians or something equally distasteful. I regret embarrassing myself for
ever asking about them. Don't think I remember having ever heard of the
group...adorable name I MUST say.

If I wanted a copy of the song in question so I can play it until it quits
bouncing around in my brain and I get tired of it, has anyone else recorded
it? Heavens, don't want to embarrass myself by going into the music store and
be seen actually BUYING something by the Hooters just for ONE song!

But thanks anyway for everyone's replys...honest!
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:07:09 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      What did ya listen to

I'm curious to what the last album/cd..etc everyone listened to, we know
what everyone likes, but what have you listened to lately. Like as in this
morning, I woke up and listened to: Hank Crawford  Groove Master (wonderful)
On the way to work i listened to: Tom Scott Flashpoint

Is there two Eric Gales..There is one on a Tom Scott cd i forget the name
is it the same Eric Gales that is young and supposed to be the next guitar
god (as was Vernon Reid)....What happened to Terence Trent Darby(sp) i remember
he said he would top the Beatles.....What 7-11 does he work at now..:-) :-).L.W
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:41:11 PST
From:         Dan Strong <DANS@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Let The Madness Begin!!!!

the metal list is metal@key.amdahl.com
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:33:04 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Microbrew or bust

I missed this the first (10?) time(s) around:  how about starting some more
beer wars?  I'll throw my mug into the ring:  if it isn't home or micro-
brewed, it's just yellow stuff that comes out the other end (US only--not
considering the import scene.  Argue about that some other day.).

REINHEITSGEBOT RULES!  DEATH TO ALL BREWERS WHO POSE!!!!!!!!


Oh, all right:  OMC:
"In Muenchen staedt ein Hofbrauhaus,
Ein, zwei, szgufa"
Now, can Seb or someone find the rest of the lyrics for me?  My local micro
(*2* blocks away from the office!) needs to be livened up now that it's got a
proper brew for singing.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:24:54 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Tiffany....

>Marsha, do you mean that (e.g.) Tiffany's performance of "I Saw
>Her Standing There" is worth owning?  Pretty cool!  Maybe we should
>make a second compilation tape of all these good songs by bad
>artists.  I mean, I wouldn't have a Madonna tape or CD in my home,
>but if she's done one good song, it might be kind of nice to have
>it on a tape.

What are you trying to do to me, Bob? Ruin what little respect these folks
have for me????? What I meant was that I like the song itself - the Beatles
version especially - but I hate the performer - Tiffany - and the way she
performs it!!!! Is that clear? I hope so...I wouldn't want to win the Most
Flamed of the Year award....

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:12:59 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gales mystery

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:06:57 -0500 <HLC2@PSUADMIN> said:
>Whatever the story is, Gales is *good*.

I agree Gales is good, but i think it's kinda unfair the hype he's received and
you get the album thinking he's great (as opposed to good) and it doesn't live
up to the hype. That of course isn't Eric's fault, IMHO there's very few artist
that live up to the hype. It's so nice to hear someone that hasn't been hyped/
marketed (that word again) and be knocked out by them, it kinda makes you think
you discovered them (admit it). So i almost got P.G.'s SO cd would this one be
a recommended one..?...If so i'm gonna get it....Derek Trucks (hype again) is
in town my friends said if you like the Allman Bros you'll like D.T. I hope
that's not a comparision to Duanne (Dickey maybe) has anyone seen D.T. i'm
gonna try to see him and Rick Danko  (not together).......L.W.
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