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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wearing street shoes on clipless pedals
Date: 25 Aug 1992 12:27:58 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: clipless pedal accessory gadget

In article <BtInBA.KL4@wpi.WPI.EDU>, cwright@tensor4.WPI.EDU (Charles R Wright)
writes:
|> <stuff deleted>
|> Anyway, I've recently purchased some Shimano dual mode pedals and some
|> nice Avia shoes.  But I was encouraged to make the jump to clipless
|> pedals from the... other ones, with the clips, because several people
|> assured me that there was this accessory that you snap into the pedal
|> so you can wear normal shoes to ride the bike.  This would seem to be
|> a good thing to have, yet I've not seen them in any bike stores.
|>
|> Do they exist?
|>
|> What are they called?
|>
|> Where can I get them?
|>

Look for the platform pedal adaptors anywhere a bike store
caters to the tri- bi- athletic crowd.  The "step-in adaptors"
are all the rage for short tris and bis, since they let you
transition from running to biking without changing shoes.  The
time you lose from squishing the soft running shoe sole is more
than made up by the time you gain not changing shoes.  There are
a couple of different types... One expensive (and fairly heavy)
and one cheaper ($30?) and somewhat lighter.  I have two pairs
of these (for the tandem) and am happy with the way they work.
They are much better than using street shoes with quill type
pedals, even if they do look funny and are a real treat to
get into (especially when aneroebic from a running stage in a
bi.... good luck.... Mark
From: amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Alex Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike cops
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:37:22 GMT

In <1992Aug22.161323.14674@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
   jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:

> Hah!  I have seen them too.  One was a rather rotund male, and the other a
> female.  I remember laughing to myself as I jay walked in front of them.

Let's hope these cops don't have to call an ambulance for you... "poor kid,
he was jay walking across the street when a car came out of nowhere and . . . "

Getting a cop on a bike for a few months might be a good deal for them as
well as us.  They might improve their health, become more effective, spend
less taxpayer money on health benefits.  We might gain some bicycle ethusiast
law enforcement that see the road from our perspective.

Alex Miller                                 If the DISCLAIMER fits,
internet: amiller@almaden.ibm.com           then wear it.
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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:22:08 GMT

khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:

>I'm really going to provoke a flame fest here:
>I find women's racing less interesting because the women are *SO*
>much slower than the men.  Compare any district ITT times, the women
>are 20-30% slower than the men.  At a Norba National series MTB race
>this weekend (King of the Rockies), I placed 24th in men's sport category 
>with a time that would have put me in 8th place in the women's PRO category.  
>In men's PRO category, I would have been 3rd from last out of 60 racers.
>Rishi Grewal beat my time of 2:20 by 33 minutes!!!!!, at 1:47 for 30 miles.
>A large part of the excitement for me in watching men's pro racing is
>a sense of awe at just how incredibly fast these guys can go.  When I
>can ride almost as fast as the best women racers I don't experience
>that same sense of awe in watching them.

Not going to flame here, just disagree with the cause ;^)  I also find
the womens races less interesting, but I think it is due to lack of
competition. The sport needs more top women athletes. I suspect the
24th finisher in the womens sport division was as far back from
Julie Furdado as you were behind Rishi Grewal. That is, if there were
24 women even competing in the sport division. If there were more 
athletes, the speed difference between men and women would be more in line 
with other sports with more participation (running, swimming). The
races would then be more aggressive and more interesting and raw speed
wouldn't be such a big deal. But there are less sponsors and less $$
for the womens side. Don't know if this is the cause or the effect.
Cycling seems to be getting more popular in general, perhaps the situation
will fix itself over time.

Jim Moore
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WORLD TRACK : Pro 5km pursuit quarter-finals
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. Of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


British rider Shaun Wallace rode the Lotus Sport monocoque to record
the fastest qualifying time for the 5km pursuit semi-final on the
Valencia track yesterday (Monday).

Quarter finals

M. McCarthy (US) 5:48.019 bt A de las Cuevas (Fr) 5:53.721
S. Wallace (GB) 5:45.333 bt P Pieters (Neth) 5:47.175
A. Kasputis (Lith) 5:53.892 bt B. Rist (Swit) 5:55.799
F. Moreau (Fr) 5:48.904 bt T. Duerst (Ger) 5:55.943


Semi final draw :

Wallace vs McCarthy; Moreau vs Kasputis

[I hope this doesn't duplicate any other results postings; news
takes a long time to reach this site...]

STF
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From: behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH)
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:35:56 GMT



	My wife used to resist wearing a helmet while riding her
	bike until I related the following story to her.
	I live, work and bicycle commute in Boulder.  We have 
	lots of bicycle pathsand they are generally very well
	maintained.  One such strip of path run N-S along
	Foothills highway between Arapahoe and Pearl (for those
	familiar with the area).  There is a short steepish hill
	jus south of Pearl and a longer descent down to Arapahoe.
	You can coast 20 - 25 mph down this gradual descent.
	Anyway, I'm riding home up the gradual side of the hill
	and see a group of cops standing around a young woman 
	spralled out on the cement path.  She is unconsious or
	close to it and is lying in a pool of blood and clear
	fluid, some of which is leeking from her ears.  Thirty
	feet or so uphill from her is an abrupt uprising of the 
	bikepath at one of the seams.  The path had risen 8 inches 
	or so (it had not risen as of 7:30 that morning when I
	had previously crossed it) and obviously caught her
	by suprise.  It was pretty clear she went over the bars
	and landed on her head.  I don't know what happened to her,
	I did not see it in the papers.  I believe that the moral(s)
	of the story are:

		* You don't have to be a "serious" cyclist
		 to need a helmet (this woman was wearing a dress,
		 had a straw basket on her bars, riding an old
		 cruiser-type bike and not wearing a helmet).
		* Bad accidents can happen "just riding around the
		 block".
		* Having to be assisted by the police or bleeding
		  from the ears is a lot less cool than wearing a helmet.

			
				John Mastrangelo
				ice@massive.its.bldrdoc.gov
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Standing on a Tandem (without road rash)
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:15:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <9208241257.AA14233@mobil.com> ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM writes:
>Mark Hickey (CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com) writes:
>
>>Normally, the captain can
>>stand and use a rocking technique to power over the top, but he
>>(sexist assumption?) has to be ready for the pummelling...
>  ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>No, its proper English!
>
>I for one refuse to use the he/she and him/her constructions or to pretend
>that 'they' and 'their' are singular pronouns.
>
>I wonder what the advocates of such alterations to English would do with a
>language such as Spanish, in which EVERY noun is either masculine or
>feminine.
>

Not in the Spanish classes I've taken.

Every noun can be male, female, or neuter.


Flip

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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Numbness during extended bicycling & other overuse injuries
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:45:24 GMT

In <16190402@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:

>In rec.bicycles, frobasky@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Frank Robasky) writes:

>> It would seem intuitive that the use of aerobars would reduce the pressure
>> on the palm that causes this affliction.  Be advised, though, that you
>> may introduce other problems with this kind of dramatic change in your
>> riding posture.  

>> I have
>> not seen much scientific research on the ergonomics of aerobars, but from
>> working in one of the top laboratories for LBP [Lower Back Pain] - the OSU
>> Biodynamics Lab, dir. Bill Marras- I can tell you that the position that
>> the aerobars forces you to assume can probably do some nasty things to
>> your spine - there's a recent article in bicycling about bicycling back
>> injuries, too, if you care to look it up.  Personally, I'd take a little
>> hand numbness over chronic LBP any day.  

>I think you are way too quick to dismiss aero bars due to "possible back
>problems".  Very many long distance cyclists use aerobars explicitly to
>relieve hand numbness (and sore triceps).  

I find that, besides reducing numbness and arm fatigue,
aero bars are good at reducing lower back pain on long
rides.  I don't spend a majority of my time on the aero
bars, but dropping into an aero position stretches the
muscles that get tired sitting up in a traditional cycling
position while shifting the load onto other muscles.
Alternating between the two positions gives each set of
muscles time to rest, just as standing up for a while on
hills rests the muscles that get tired spinning in the
saddle.
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From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: VETTA COMPUTERS: Phone # needed
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:29:48 GMT

Anybody have a phone # or address for Vetta Customer service? I would like to talk
to them about my C-20 Computer.

Ira Idelson



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From: rcedv@netmbx.netmbx.de (R. Cirksena)
Subject: Bike shop in SF
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:44:12 GMT

Hi.

I plan to buy a bicycle in the USA. In september/october I spend 
my holydays in California.

The bicycles are VERY inexpensive compared to the prices here in germany.

Does someone have experiences with bicycle shops, which ships the bikes
to europe?

Does someone know bicycle shops nead San Francisco?

Thanks in advance. 

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From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Subject: Championship of Zurich
Keywords: Lance, Hammer
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:36:57 GMT


I got this off of compuserve today and thought people would want to see
it.  This result would imply to me Lance really did just have a bad day
at the Olympics. (I should have just one bad day like that!) Though, in 
the Olympics he was heavily marked by all of the favorites and in Zurich
he was probably ignored.  We'll see what happens if he keeps getting 
good results and starts getting a little more marked.

BTW, everybody who reads this should send me $.10 to help cover my 
connect charges. :-)

P.S.  Not a bad ride by Ekimov either.

Later,

Kevin

ZURICH, Switzerland (AP)--Top finishers Sunday of the 79th Championship 
of Zurich, the eighth World Cup cycling race of the year:

   1. Viacheslav Ekimov, CIS, 6 hours, 0 minutes, 1 second, 24.789 mph.
   2. Lance Armstrong, Plano, Texas, 15 seconds behind.
   3. Jan Nevens, Belgium, same time.
   4. Guido Bontempi, Italy, :35.
   5. Bruno Leali, Italy, same time.
   6. Marc Madiot, France, same time.
   7. Martin Earley, Ireland, same time.
   8. Laurent Jalabert, France, :59.
   9. Adri van der Poel, Netherlands, same time.
   10. Scott Sunderland, Australia, same time.
   11. Maximilian Sciandri, Italy, same time.
   12. Peter de Clercq, Belgium, same time.
   13. Dimitri Konischew, CIS, same time.
   14. Johan Museeuw, Belgium, same time.
   15. Christophe Capelle, France, same time.
   16. Davide Cassani, Italy, same time.
   17. Maurizio Fondriest, Italy, same time.
   18. Andrzej Tschmil, CIS, same time.
   19. Danny Nelissen, Netherlands, same time.
   20. Ronan Pensec, France, same time.


World Cup Standings   (After eight of 12 races)

   1. Olaf Ludwig, Germany, 101 points.
   2. Museeuw, 74.
   3. Raul Alcala, Mexico, 72.
   4. Gilbert Duclos-Lassalle, France, 64.
   5. Dirk de Wolf, Belgium, 58.
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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lubricants
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:22:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

Stephen Harlow (harlow@waikato.ac.nz) wrote:

>    I'm attempting to save money by doing all my MTB maintainence and would like
> some words of advice on what lubricants to use. I'm looking for 

> a light lubricant for my chain 

Pedro's ATB Synlube -- lasts well, clean chain with water (& old
toothbrush) only

>and derailleurs

any light oil will do, but I like Tri-Flow in the squeeze bottle for lubing
cables, so tend use that for derailleurs as well.  The narrow plastic tube
that comes with the squeeze bottle allows a minimal drop of lube to be
applied, which prevents waste and reduces the attraction of dust and grit. 
Of course if a light oil was in a similar container it would do the job as
well.

> and a heavier grease for hubs, bottom bracket, pedals, and headset.

I was recommended by a bike mechanic, and have used with excellent results,
outboard grease.  It is very cheap and has ideal properties for MTB
applications.

--------------------------------------------------------
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+12
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gavind@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: Re: HG Chain vs. Sedis ATB
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:39:02 GMT

In <MJOHNSTO.92Aug24114021@jenny.shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:

>Next, what's all this bad karma about HG chains? I popped the pin on mine just
>far enough to break the chain, but not so far as to remove the pin entirely. It
>went back in just fine and hasn't snapped yet (crossed fingers and knocking wood).
I went a step further and removed a pin from my HG chain. Getting the thing 
back in required a bit of patience and an extra clamp on to the chain breaker.
So far no problems (>4000km after). Mind you, my knuckles are bloodied from
all the knocking on wood :-)

gavin
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Table of Grades of Selected Roads in the Santa Cruz Mtns.
Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:13:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

>When combined with the high altitude, NOTHING beats Sonora Pass with
>18% at the Window, and 15-17 percent at the Golden Stairs (between
>8000 and 9000 ft marker) in the Sierra Nevada for difficulty on
>paved public roads.

>hosler_ray#post@tandem.com

Even considering the altitude, I think Skagg's Springs/Stewart's
Point Road in northern Sonoma County, California is a more difficult
paved road than the aformentioned west side of Sonora Pass
(which ranks #2 or #3).  It is also, just as beautiful.  Don't
miss this one, especially on a nice, hot summer day!

Bruce

ps - bring really low gears and be prepared to use them.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Correct seat height summary
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:38:00 GMT

All these numerical formulas that are put forth as *the* way to adjust
seat height seem to be, IMHO, a matter of confusing the actual criteria
with an estimate. There's no way this number could be correct for everyone's
particular combination of thigh length, cleat position, and so forth.
 
The method that I prefer- I've seen it mentioned a few times in the magazines
as well- is to get on the bike and keep raising your saddle a bit at a time
until it's as high as you can manage to spin fast without rocking your butt
back and forth. That's it. Since maximum efficiency and power comes when the
leg is as close to stright as possible, this is just a way of determining
how straight you can make your legs and still pedal well.
 
I'm not a racer, just a tourist who likes to pretend. I ride about 120 miles
a week between 16 and 25 MPH, depending on wind, terrain and attitude ;-) and
have never, ever had any knee problems since using this system.
 
         --mike
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Pop! Goes the Joint
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:12:36 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9208271309.AA28574@mobil.com>, ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM writes:
> I've wondered for some time about the cause of the pop! sound that a joint,
> such as an ankle or a knuckle, can make.  It happens often when the joint is
> moved after a period of rest.  You should hear my ankles after I wake up! 
> There's no pain or grinding sensation, only a feeling of relief.
> 
> I've heard various explanations for this, some of which involve accumulation of
> some fluid (even air!) or sticking of ligaments.  What's the collective wisdom
> out there say?  Will I finally hear the definitive answer?
> 
> Bob Novy
> ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
> Dallas, TX
> 
> And on the eighth day, God made the wind in Texas.
	
	I've got the same condition,  though I say 'condition' as it shouldn't
be looked at as a problem.  My ankles sound like they've got a bag of gravel in
them,  and when I run they sound like a matching metronome.
	The main theory seems to be along the lines of fluid in the joints,
bubbles etc,  which has led some to think extensive 'cracking' of the joints
could contribute to eventual rheumatism.  However,  a doctor I spoke to about
this said there was nothing to worry about at all,  that it's as much to do
with the shape of the bones as what's wrapped around them.
	An interesting point of this concerns my sister in law's family,  it
appears this predisposition to cracking joints may even be hereditary,  all
her siblings and father being notorious snap,  crackle and poppers.
	Also,  the increased cracking after a period of rest is part of the
'building up' of the conditions that lead to the noises - for instance,  ever
tried to crack your knuckles three times in a row?
	Still,  at least it doesn't hurt your cycling!

	Jonathan

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From: shawn@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Shawn Furgason)
Subject: Re: Why does this group still exist?
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:12:49 GMT

In article <locher.715556325@pv1648.vincent.iastate.edu> locher@iastate.edu (Robert C Locher) writes:
>Is it because some sites don't get rec.bicycles.*, or is it because
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's right - unfortunately.  If YOU can get our sys admin people to do something, be my guest. :-)

>people are too lazy to figure out which group they should be posting to?

I wish I had the opportunity to make the effort. 

>I thought that the purpose of the expansion was that this group would be
>eliminated.  I for one am ready to see it go.  I'm tired of plowing
>through it.
>
>				- Rob
>
	Shawn Furgason
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From: ttchen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Chen)
Subject: Help needed for tour from Bay Area to Yosemite
Followup-To: ttchen@leland.stanford.edu
Summary: How do I get there?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:25:12 GMT

Well, I`ve finally convinced myself that I NEED to go on the
bike tour of my dreams.  I plan to take off a week and bike from the Bay
area to Yosemite, mess around, and come back.  Looking at the various
bike maps and books around, there aren`t any suggestions I can find for
getting there and back.  Does anyone out there in Netland have any
ideas?  Suggestions about good rides in Yosemite itself would also be
appreciated.  I plan to go sometime in late September or October, when
the summer hordes have subsided but the weather is still fairly good.

Please email if you have any advice.  Thanks in advance!
-- 
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though his detractors like to put it that he wrote only one and then
copied it down 399 times.
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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Hubs built for straight spokes
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:02:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles

In article <1992Sep2.204855.7738@src.dec.com>, jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim
Collias) wrote:

> 	All of my wheels have properly tensioned double-butted spokes
> w/low-flange hubs. My mountain rims are quite narrow, so the length of
> the spokes, tire size, and riding conditions are the only variables here.
> I would bet that my wheels see more stresses off of the road, so what gives?

Tires?

The fatter, lower pressure mtn bike tires soften the blows. Would that be
enough to account for the more durable spokes on mtn bikes?

  --scott
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