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From: ebshen@athena.mit.edu (Eric B Shen)
Subject: RE: Why few people have Perfect Pitch
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:45:44 GMT

In article <21AUG92.14812568.0191@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, META000 <META@UNB.CA> writes:

|> Speaking as a psychologist, what we call perfect pitch is basically the
|> detailed recollection of a sound, a kind of auditory photo- graphic
|> memory, if you will.  The individual with "perfect pitch" recalls a

[rest of the good stuff deleted]

Perfect pitch can be learned.  In fact, it HAS to be learned.  My experience with
people having perfect pitch shows exactly what META000 was saying, that is,
perfect pitch is basically a memory recollection of sound.

A lot of people I know who have perfect pitch are piano players.  Piano players
tend to develop the skill of being able to hear the notes, pitches, etc. because
the keys and pitch relations on a piano are so blatant.  You press a key, it
gives a sound.  The keyboard is linear.  All pitches are logically, you know,
half step up, or whole step down, whatever; as opposed to string-crossing on,
say, a violin.

(My point is, that it is easier to develop perfect pitch on piano, than guitar,
because all the mental associations with the tones are so logical and clear.)

My girlfriend has perfect pitch.  She can sing any tone instantly, or recognize
any tone instantly.  Her skill was basically learned from playing 18 years of
piano.

I also have the potential to learn perfect pitch.  My ear is good enough that I
can sing any song I have heard once, in the correct key, even after not hearing it
for many years - I guess a musical photographic memory.  But that doesn't mean I
can tell the NAME of the key it's in.  I would have to go one step further and
develop the association with the pitches I hear, and the actual note names. 
Like, sitting down at a keyboard and memorizing all the notes.

There's no magic at all to perfect pitch.  It's just a matter of remembering what
a C sounds like, what a G sounds like, etc.

But you do need a pretty good ear.  It won't help to be tone deaf! :-)

A lot of guitarists can hear EADGBE, you know?  Just a few more notes, and you'll
know all of 'em.  :-)

Eric Shen
ebshen@athena.mit.edu
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Blues Net group
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:27:41 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <5556.1288.uupcb@spacebbs.com> mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) writes:
>I think there *should* be a separate group for blues, and
>that you should take your desire to eternally be "the guy who created
>the blues group" and shove it.

Thanks so much for such a thoroughly complete distortion of what I had
to say.  For example, I have never claimed to be "the guy who created
the blues group".  Your assertion that I have done so is a blatant lie.
It may serve your purposes to obscure the facts in this manner, but
it doesn't help the overall discussion in the least.

Incidentally, you are completely entitled to your opinion that there
should be a separate group for blues.  However, if you intend that a
sufficient fraction of the network readers agree with you (i.e. a sufficient
fraction large enough to get the group through a vote) then you will
have to come up with a solid, defensible rationale as to why it should
exist.  You will also have to deal with the arguments of those who
feel that things should stay as they are.  You have not done either
to this point.

---Rsk
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Re: Fender Bassman Amp
Reply-To: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:15:55 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.002542.29803@tvnews.tv.tek.com>,
johnr@tvnews.tv.tek.com (John Reynolds) writes:
|> 
|> As a result of some net discussions about Fender Bassman amps, I've
|> noticed that on many versions of the amp, the preamp circuits for the
|> two channels ("Normal" and "Bass Instrument") are substantially 
|> different.  I know lots of folks like to use these amps for guitar.
|> Which channel produces the best guitar sound?

The main difference is that the "bass" channel has two gain stages (two 12AX7s)
and the "normal" channel has only one.  As for which is better that is a matter
of opinion.  On my amp, I find that for a little more distortion and "tone"
(whatever that means) I use the "bass" channel.  For a cleaner, but more
throaty sound, I use the "normal" channel.  I also get some very distinct tones
if I use a Y-cable and go through both channels.  This is how I usually use it.

I also suspect that the tone controls have different cut-off frequencies. But I
haven't actually checked it out.

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From: acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.music.makers
Subject: Need chords/lyrics to Two Out of Three Ain't Bad
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


 As the subject lines says, I'm looking for the lyrics and chords to the
song "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" off the Bat Out Of Hell album.

Thanks

Jim Feeney
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Gibson Guitars
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Aug18.160639.24748@wam.umd.edu>, peugh@wam.umd.edu
(General Napolean) writes:
|>
|>  Recently there was talk of some company started by a bunch of people who 
|>worked for one of Gibson's plants that closed down.  I didn't have the
foresight
|>to capture it, so could someone tell me what the name of their Company
is, and
|>what one of their Les Paul renditions goes for?
|> thanks.
|>

I believe that is the Heritage company.  I don't know what one of their 
Les Paul style guitars sell for but a friend of mine got a ES-335 style 
axes for $900 which i think listed for over $1000 to $1100.  This is a very 
beautiful guitar with Cherry Sunburst paint on  Curly Maple.  It plays
and sounds like a dream.  Heritage makes excellent guitars.  Good Luck
deciding on a new axe.  i know how confusing it can be.       

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maurice LaBiche (Mo.L.)         |   labiche@bnr.ca
Bell Northern Research          |   Part of Northern Telecom 
Richardson, Texas               |   i'm really in Texas
------------------------------------------------------------------------
No opinions herein expressed have anything to do with the opinions 
of Bell Northern Research or Northern Telecom or CIA or NSA ...
These statements are mine and mine alone, well i guess my wife 
agrees with some of them?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: brownw@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Bill Brown)
Subject: Re: Changing strings (without breaking anything)
Reply-To: brownw@hercules.uregina.ca
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:16:56 GMT

In article <SCHOUTEN.92Aug10150423@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> 
schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
> [story -> dev/null]
>had ripped 4 or 5 teeth out of it's mate.  Now, what I want to know
>is, did I do something wrong?  Was it just cheap hardware?  Should I
>be wary of something similar in the future?  Does this happen often?
>I got a replacement set of tuning pegs pretty cheap, and they seem even
>cheaper than the originals, should I try to find something better?
>Is it just a cheap guitar and I should expect this sort of thing?
>I double checked the string and it is thinner than the A-string, so I
>assume it's not a string mixup or anything.  Any advice would be much
>appreciated.

I doubt very much if it is the guitar itself that is the problem of
you tuning pegs.  A burr on the bridge or where the strings sit can
cause breakage, but that should not have a bearing on your tuning pegs.

I would suggest better tuning pegs.  I have a near-bottom-of-the-line
Yamaha [G-228] and the pegs on it got tough to turn.  So I bought new
pegs [30$ can] and they work just fine.  Semi-expensive in my books,
especially for a low end [cost] of the guitar in the first place.
I am glad I did this; it turned out to be the best solution by far.

I think I could put graphite, or some other usefull lubricant, in the
old ones to re-vitalize them, but up till now, I haven't had that
much enthousiasm. [for as little work as it is].

Incidently I purchased this guitar for 100$ brand new ~5 yrs ago.  
It has turned out to be the best deal of my purchasing career. 
I still play it much more than my others.  :-)   My more-expensive 
Takimini is such a treasure to me that I don't play it anymore, at
least I probably won't, as long as I already have one that sounds 
pretty good.

Bill
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Building Mixers....
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:45:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester

Hi there!  I do not know if anyone out there has noticed but the quality of
low end mixers is not very good.  The S/N may be decent but when you try
to match levels for different instruments you can't because they either
do not have a level meter or do not allow you to look at each individual
line.

	So what I would like to know is if there are any books about building
mixers out there.  

Thanks,

Kevin
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ship of Fools (Robert Plant)
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:56:18 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Hmmm... I don't know what effects, but I *THINK* his name is Doug Boyle or
something. There was a guitar player with an interview with him, It also had an
interview with Bill Frisell, who apparantly was a major influence on Doug (or
whoever.)
	Kindof a long shot, but there may be something in that issue.
	
	Cheers... Mike
From: HCHA8904593X@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (PERRETT, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: request - dead kennedys
Date: 16 Aug 92 05:37:15 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Does anybody have any chords tab for the Dead Kennedys ? Holiday in Cambodia
etc ?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent)
Subject: Re: Upcoming releases for real
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:11:19 GMT


  Allright!!  Page(god) has finally finished his new record!  I read an 
interview with him in which he said that he would finish up his new album as 
soon as he was done producing the Boxed Set.  Can't wait!  Now if Yngwie and 
Danny Gatton(both almost gods) release new albums...

Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7282 rec.music.classical:11439
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Classical Guitar Mailing List - Is here.
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:59:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

I'd like to be added to the list.

Jim Munro
Wyse Technology


jmunro@wyse.com



Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,comp.sys.mac.app
From: Jerry Low <low%ssdvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for Music Notation Program
Organization: MDSSC
X-Xxdate: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:51:13 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:47:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: l32282.mdc.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug19.191316.23781@netnews.alf.dec.com> Harry Katz,
harry@netnews.alf.dec.com writes:
>I am looking for a program for creating standard music
>notation and/or tablature in PostScript format.  The
>target machine is a Mac IIcx.  What I am looking for
>is something in the public domain or something not

Try Lime, available anonymous FTP at:

Host unicorn.cerl.uiuc.edu   (128.174.180.9)
Last updated 13:27 15 May 1992

    Location: /pub
      DIRECTORY rwxr-xr-x       512  May 29  1991   lime

This is a demonstration version, but is fairly full featured (I haven't
run across a feature that isn't listed in the manual.  It's great, and
its free.) 
Definitely for the Mac, but doesn't support tab..  Fully MIDI compatible.

Have fun

Jerry
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent)
Subject: Ship of Fools (Robert Plant)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:45:57 GMT


  Does anyone know what effects Robert Plant's guitarist is using on Ship of 
Fools?  The tone is great, but i can't figure how the hell he got it!
  thanks.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.music.progressive,bit.listserv.allmusic,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
From: lell@dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Christoph Lell )
Subject: Coltrane Prestige query
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:15:30 GMT


Could someone please enlighten me on the contents, price, no. of CDS,
quality, timeframe of the set: Complete Prestige Recordings of John Coltrane.

I've seen this thing here in Vienna, but it cost aboout 380 US $. But:
I will be in the States in September. 

Also this is the first place I've seen mention a Sonny Rollins set. What's
the deal with this thing.

Christoph
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: opinions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:16:01 GMT


   Ynwgie is (IMHO) a damn good guitarist.  A lot of people don't like his 
personality, but he's still a great guitar player.  Listen to Fire and Ice, he
really broadens out, playing Blusey stuff, even using Wah.  It's a great album.
I like him because he's a good guitarist and i think he plays with a lot of 
expression(great vibrato!).  A lot will disagree with me here, but i think
speed is a form of expression.  His runs are incredable!
  Another cool guitarist who happens to be fast also is Danny Gatton. Esp if 
you like jazz/blues stuff.  He does some cool runs.  Does he do the Ren N'Stimpy
theme song?  The playing sounds a lot like him!
  anyway, soapbox mode is now off.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: Playing with fingernails
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:23:09 GMT


  Yeah!  Try to altrinate(sp?) pick runs with your fingers.  If anyone can give
me a suggestion on how to do this, i'd be greatful.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: American/Mexican/Japanese Tele through Duncan 84/40. 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:10:33 GMT


  I've played the Mex-Tele.  It's ok.(not said enthusiasticly) I'd say save 
your money for an American one(i've never played the Japenese ones tho').

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Fender Starcaster?
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:23:25

   Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:35:21 GMT
   From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
   Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

   No, that's not a typo. There was such a thing as a Fender Starcaster
   in the late 60's to early 70's. It was somewhat in the style of the
   Gibson 335 hollowbody, but with an offset-waist body and weirdo 6-a-side
   headstock. There's one in town that my friend is considering buying.

Mid-70's anyway.  There's a good Tiesco del Rey article in an ancient issue
"Guitar Player" about these.

   What I want to know is simple: what do you think of this guitar? Anyone
   know anything about it? Good, bad, indifferent? 

*I* think the Starcaster is one incredibly cool guitar, but it was never
very popular.  Semi-hollowbody, looks like a basta... uh, hybrid of a 335
and a Strat.  Funny variation on the standard Fender headstock, two Fender
humbucking pickups, 2 volumes, 2 tones, master volume control, unique
bridge.

Probably the biggest problem with them is that Fender wasn't exactly at
their quality peak when these were being made.  If I extra money lying
around I would certainly be talking to the Fender Custom Shop about making
up a modern version of one of these puppies.

Note that the neck mounting for these guitars is *not* the same as Strat
necks, so a neck replacement can be a near impossible task.  Subway Guitars
in Berkeley has a collection of Starcaster bodies they can't do much with.

   Date: 14 AUG 92 07:50:45    
   From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
   Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

   It was a commercial bomb.  The only "name" player seen using one was Leo
   Neocentelli of the Meters.  A few prototypes of a bass version were built (seen
   pictures of them) but the guitar sold so poorly that the bass was scrapped.  

Well damn Brian, you've completely out-trivia'd me!  I had no idea such a
beast was ever built.

   As semi-hollows go, it's a better guitar than the earlier Fender Coronados, but
   it's no ES-335.  As far as your friend goes, if he really digs it, then buy it. 
   Currently they are not considered "collectable" so a price much over $250 is
   probably too much.

I've seen one in mint condition in an overpriced used shop out here (I'm in
California) for around $600 or so.  Of course that's what is was priced at,
not what it actually sold for.

  -- Don
From: jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar Center Sale/ Santana At the LA Greek Theater
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:36:51 GMT
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092

In article <l8l5nnINNprc@skat.usc.edu> ahasham@skat.usc.edu (Allen Hasham) writes:
>
>      I got a thing in the mail saying that they are having a 
>    sale until August 31st. I dont know if its all Guitar Centers or 
>    what but here are some of the prices they had listed

Ahh, yes, and last night on the radio, coming back from hearing Carlos
Santana play the heck out of his PRS and generally make a lot of people
very happy, Guitar Center announced that THIS weekend is their three-day
"ONCE a YEAR" sale.  Again.  I wonder if it's just tongue-in-cheek.

>   Zoom 9002 for $299
>   American Strats $299
>   Anniversary Strat $599

This is a "29th Anniversary Strat", not to be confused with the 1979
"25th Anniversary Strat"; this confused the bejeebers out of me for
a few minutes, until I figured out that it's *Guitar Center's* 29th
Anniversary...  apprarently a special guitar, modeled mostly like a
'62, rosewood neck, sunburst black-to-yellow, "classic" hardware.
I didn't play it, but the person who was playing it bought one...

One positive note; here in LA, KLSX-FM is having a "Great Guitarists
Weekend", sponsored by GC... that should make for some very good
listening starting tonight at 5pm...

Santana (w/Phish, who played only a half hour) is playing the next
two nights at the Greek Theater (Hollywood) and I'm finding myself
wishing I'd sprung for all three nights...

Hardware Report:  he's got several Paul Reed Smiths, all the same
orange-ish wood color... played through a Mesa Head-plus-Speaker,
placed way over to his left behind his vocalist, with an additional 
Boogie speaker (the classic wood type) sitting behind him on the riser.
Uses the knob on the guitar a lot (is ONE knob standard on the PRS?)
- probably volume - and I got the distinct impression that he's
either using compression or has a Wah pedal set in one position all
the time (he did vary it during one song that I noticed).

The guitar player from Phish (didn't catch the name) came out to play
along on "In a Silent Way" (yes, by Zawinul (with some Miles influence,
according to Carlos)) and managed to achieve a similar sound with
his semi-hollow body double cutaway, very nice looking (blond, two F-holes) 
and sounding. (PAFs?) Anyone know what guitar that was - nothing I've 
ever seen.  Made me sorry I came too late for their set (not by choice).
The Phish vocalist (I think) plays a mean Electrolux... yes, the vacuum
cleaner. :-)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.bluenote
From: lho@scd.hp.com (Leland Ho)
Subject: Re: Blues Group
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:58:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.133500.11716@ultb.isc.rit.edu> whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>	Well I think the next step is to see how many people would like to have
>a seperate group for blues music.  I don't know how many votes it takes to
>create one so maybe someone else can fill me in on the specifics.  People
>probably wouldn't want everyone posting here with preliminary voting so you can
>send an Email to me.  Also send any No votes.
>							B.C.


I want to put in my vote for a separate blues group.  My hunch is that
by having a separate group, more blues related traffic will be generated.
I am certainly no expert on news behavior--perhaps not much more traffic
will be generated, but I know that I would be more likely to post a blues
related article to an all blues group than to a group which is
predominantly filled with jazz postings.  I would like to have a forum
where I could reach just those who are interested in blues.  For me, using
the bluenote group to talk about blues is like giving a speech in a room
full of people who are mostly interested in something besides what you are
talking about.

There is a reasonable possibility that a separate group could stimulate
more blues discussions and I think that it is worth trying this to find
out for sure.  I don't think we would lose anything by giving this a try.
Right now all we can do is speculate whether it would help or not--I say
lets find out for sure.  If it falls on it's face, we could always go
back to the way it is now.


Leland Ho
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Re: Guitar Lesson
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:41:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.083752.10636@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> css1rs@gondor.mcs.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers) writes:
>I had my first guitar lesson this thursday, it was great. It
>realy opened my musicle eys a great deel. So I only learn't
>a bit about 3 chord theory and about root's of chords. But the
>guy that's teaching me, is realy good. I don't know what it is
>but I think ive just moved on a big step, as far as I mental
>atitude an awarnes goes. Im still crap (im not putting my self
>down, just saying that at the moment I know hardly anything).
>
>What did other people feel like after there first lesson?
>Im interested.

I dunno, I've never had a lesson and I've been playing for 7 years. This is
because I didn't want to pay to be taught guitar techniques, because you
can get that from a book and friends. I always wanted to be taught music
and how to play the music. Still I haven't been able to find someone
really suitable for this who is willing to take on a lowly guitarist
because I don't want to learn this stuff from another guitarist because
I find most guitarists are becoming all flash and whammy not enough
actual music ability.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: n3884@cray.com (Peter Palmer)
Subject: Request for chords for Bowie tunes
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:02:54 CDT

I'm looking for the chords for Bowie's Quicksand and Bewley Brothers
from the Hunky Dory album.  If you know them, please send them to
ftp.nevada.edu guitar archive.

Thanks.


Pete Palmer

Newsgroups: alt.guitar