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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Keywords: Buccaneers, Defense.
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.041750.13061@hubcap.clemson.edu> jscox@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Stan Cox) writes:
>	The Buccaneer defense improved from 24th to 11th last year in the
>NFL. This improvement should continue in '92. Why?
>
>	(1). Floyd Peters is back for his second season.
>	(2). Keith McCants will improve in his second year of
>	     linebacker turned defensive end.
> 	(3). Broderick Thomas, one of the Buccaneers Pro-Bowl hopefuls,
>	     will be back. I really like this guy. He may be a little
>	     mouthy but he backs it up. 
>	(4). The secondary should improve, due to added experience
>	     of rookies Tony Covington and Marty Carter, and also 
>	     some new faces via Plan B and the Draft.
>
>   I think this will be a very exciting year for Buccaneer fans!!

I agree wholeheartedly that the Buccaneer defense has great  potential
to improve their play over last year.  And,  though I believe that de-
fensive soundness takes precedence over offensive explosiveness, I led
by discussing the offense because I believe that offensive improvement
would be the best thing that could happen to this defense.  I saw this
defense play up to three quarters of every game last year, and it gets
*H - O - T* here!

MINI-CAMP NOTE:  After seeing Mark Wheeler (Texas A&M Defensive Tackle
                 taken in the 3rd round) in camp; Floyd is very, very,
                 happy with this pick.          ;-)
>
>	Any other Buccanneer fans out there?
>	Any willing to set up an e-mailing list to discuss Buccaneer
>	issues, games etc. ?

I'm certainly interested in getting a Buccaneer network going!   Count
me in!
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From: gbbrooks@acsu.buffalo.edu (G Brandon Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills Boosters in LA/San Diego?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:54:14 GMT
Organization: UB

Hi!

	I'm a very vigorous Bills fan, but I'm moving to Riverside, California
for a job out there tomorrow. (Riverside is between Los Angeles and San Diego)
	I hope to catch the Bills games down there in Riverside. Is there any
Bills Boosters club or bar down there that shows Bills games?
	

	'The Bills make me wanna shout,
	 kick my heels up and shout,
	 throw my head back and shout,
	 C'mon now... the Bills are makin' it happen now...
	 Yeahyeahyeahyeah.......'

				-Brandon!
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Training Camp Report
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Condensed from the Washington Post, July 27, 1992:

YESTERDAY: Veterans began arriving in early afternoon for physicals,
and several went straight to strength coach Dan Riley's makeshift weight
room for a weight-lifting session.  After dining on turkey, roast beef,
shrimp and chocolate cake, the Redskins gathered for their first full
team meeting (minus four holdouts).  Curfew was 11 p.m.

TODAY: With only five days before the preseason opener against the Miami
Dolphins in Orlando, the Redskins will be on the field at 9 a.m. and
4 p.m., with meetings after both practices.  All practices this week
are open to public.

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Redskins' four holdouts are: Pro Bowl quarterback Mark Rypiens; Pro 
Bowl tackle Jim Lachey; Pro Bowl cornerback Darrell Green; and top draft 
choice Desmond Howard.

Negotiations with all four holdouts have all but stopped, with the sides
so far apart that sources on both sides indicate there's little to discuss.
It appears that none of the four holdouts will play against the Dolphins,
and there'd have to be a dramatic breakthrough to geth them into camp
for the Aug. 8 game against the New York Jets in East Rugherford, NJ.
But if Rypiens misses only two games, he'd have time to get ready for
the Sept. 7 regular season opener in Dallas.

It's unclear if the Redskins have another offer, but they don't appear
ready to make one until Rypien and agent Ken Staninger make drastic
concessions, something they haven't done over the last four months.

Toronto newspapers reported this week that the CFL Toronto Argonauts
had made Rypien a formal offer, but Staninger said today that offer
was made about two weeks ago.  It's believed to be a one-year deal contract
worth around $1.5 million.  Rypien and Staninger have made it clear
that remaining with the Redskins is their first choice.  He'd take less
money for one year in the CFL, gambling that NFL veterans would have
won free agency by next spring.

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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: Cowboys and Oilers scrimmage in Houston
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:30:32 GMT

In article <2121@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>
>Hennings had three sacks, which is less impressive when you consider
>that you only had to touch the quarterback to get a sack.  It's more
>impressive, though, when you realize that the Cowboys had everyone
>out there at some point, so playing time was limited; plus, Hennings
>evidently forgot about the "touch but don't tackle" rule, and put Moon
>into the turf on his first sack.

	Not to Bright if he did sack Mr Moon 3 times.
	Wonder if JJ & JJ told him to do it to antagonize
	the Oilers....or Hennings was trying to get 
	attention.
	


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From: kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:54:21 GMT

joseph.m.dakes writes:
>Ross Smith writes:
>> The QBs: all looked below average except Archer and Cunningham. Give
>> Weldon a break though, it was his first day.
>Weldon is a project.  Goebel is most likely history.  Archer is going
>to be in trouble if the Birds resign McMahon, which I wish they would
>do soon.  Kemp is going to make the team if for no other reason than
>for Braman to hang out with his dad, Jack Kemp, on Sunday afternoons.
>Though he did perform very well off the bench last season.

Why McMahon?  I would rather see his salary go to up-and-coming QB.  I
don't know what he does for the team off the field since I don't have
access to the Philly press, but on the field, he does not impress me at 
all.  He is just so battered that he doesn't have anything left to give.
I respect his past achievements but he is just too unreliable...
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Raiders First Round Pick
Organization: Abode Computer Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:32:55 GMT

I forgot his name, but the first round pick of the Raiders (I think he was a
linebacker or DT), does anyone know what he is getting as far as a contract? I
think his name was Chester McClaughlin. Anyway, I saw something in the local
paper that said he was getting about $1.9 million for 3-4 years. I find this
hard to believe because all the players drafted before and after him are
getting around $3 million for 3-4 years. Was the paper wrong?

Eric


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>>> The world is a circus. My friends act like clowns so this must be true. <<<
From: scottk@Autodesk.COM (Scott Kornblum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Shanahan: 49ers' new Offensive Coordinator (was Re: '49ers News)
Keywords: 49ers, coaching changes
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:55:52 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <1992Jul28.230705.25691@sco.com> timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) writes:
>
>[ bio of Mike Shanahan  deleted ]
> The Raiders hired him as their head coach in '88, and
> then fired him four games into the '89 season (as he never adjusted to
> Al Davis' hands-on management of the team).  

No. The Raiders fired him because he was a bad head coach.



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From: mwd9135@usl.edu (Durand Michael W)
Subject: Re: Texans of Dallas
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.201441.6272@gdwest.gd.com> collins@gdwest.gd.com (CWC 439085557 Collins) writes:
>To quickly settle a bet...
>
>	Precisely, what became of the infamous Dallas Texans?
>
>
>Gary John (Collins)
>
>

They moved to Kansas City to become the Chiefs.

Later,
  Mike
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Teams You Love To Hate (was: Favorite Football Teams---Results)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:21:55 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Jul24.103001.22259@sco.com> timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) writes:
[ ... musing about 49er hating ... ]
>
>To me is seems reminiscent of my own loathing of the Cowboys when they
>were America's Team(TM).

Yep, it's always easiest to hate the guys on top.  Well, sorry, Tim, the
49ers have to step aside, because the 'Boys are back again. :^)

>I hated the Eagles under Buddy Ryan solely because I despised him.
>I thought he was both a jerk and overrated as a coach.

Ditto.  Ryan was as irritating a person as I've come across in a long, long
time.  My favorite moments came during his last season, when he predicted
that the Eagles would destroy their NFC East opponents and "waltz" into
the playoffs.  Didn't quite turn out the way he planned, poor guy.  Heh heh.

>With the
>departure of Ryan that hatred went with him, and as the season shaped
>up I even had a feeling of connection with them.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but now at least I respect them as worthy
opponents.  Kotite is a much better coach, and infinitely more classy.

>Finally, the latest team I love to hate is--you guessed it--the Falcons.
>I'd have to hate them solely on the arrival of Jerry Glanville.  Add
>two loudmouth, grandstanding corners and there's no question.

Ditto ditto.  Glanville is just Ryan all over again, except he's not even
as good a coach.  He just has more talent on his team.  He wants to be
as nasty as Ryan, with the stupid all black outfits, but he's not even
competant to do that.  If you're going to be an ass, at least do it right.
Ryan was a jerk, but at least he was a *real* jerk -- it wasn't just some
ridiculous stunt.

>PS. When i'm not rooting for the Niners, I'm mostly just hoping to see
>good football.  They only other team I'd call a favorite is the Raiders.

What?!?  You hated the Eagles because of Ryan, and now hate the Falcons
because of Glanville, but nothing for Al Davis?  The Raiders' idiotic "bad
boy" image is so pathetic that the only thing more comical is the Falcons'
attempt to copy it.  And now they have the ultimate weenie-trying-to-be-tough,
Eric Dickerson, on their team.  What a crybaby.  Just one more reason to
root against them.  Of course, that shouldn't be too hard this year.

Daniel Welch
----
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like Dr. Spock, they don't look like Klingons, all that Star Trek jive --
they look like Elvis -- ELVIS!  Everybody in outer space looks like Elvis,
because Elvis is the perfect being!  We're all moving in peace and harmony
towards Elvisness.  Soon all will be, all will become Elvis.  Why do you
think they call it evolution, anyway?  It's really ELVISLUTION!

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From: asgari@ssc01.net.com (Asgari Roger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TEST
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:15:26 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City


			

		As the subject header states, just testing....ra

		GO COWBOYS    
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Bronco Tidbits
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:01:33 GMT

Elway should play only about 10 plays against SF.  If the first drive goes
well, that will be it for John.  If not, he may go 2 drives.

Pelluer and Shawn Moore will get the rest of the playing time at QB.  Rookie
Tommy Maddox will not play until the 2nd or 3rd preseason game.  At that
time, he should get a lot of work.

RB Sammie Smith has a groin problem and will not play Monday.  It is not
serious and he should be back soon.

The status of WR Vance Johnson is still unknown but it is feared that he
will miss several months with a shoulder injury.

Sounds like Montana will likely not play against the Broncos.  Lucky
for him :-)

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From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:20:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com writes:
>Do you really think they will go undefeated in their division? I predict
>they go 5-3 in their division. Remember last year they split the season 
>series with the pathetic Patriots in two close games. Didn't the Jets
>come within an eyelash of victory over the Bills last year only to lose
>it on a bad play at the end of the game. Both of these teams have improved 
>from last year. Have the Bills?

	You never can tell what will happen in any given day on any given 
field. The games might have been flukes, maybe it will show a change in 
process. Who knows?

>I predict they will not do as well this year as the last two. 

	I think this is their last year to do as well as the past 2 seasons.

>IMHO, they have already peaked as a team.

	Maybe...

>They had their chance to win the superbowl the last two years, but failed. 
>This will have an effect on them this year. They will not come out with the 
>same intestity as the last two years. 

	I beg to differ...I think that they will come out with MORE intensity,
because they fell they have something to prove still. I think that this is 
*THE* year, althought, I have been saying that for the past 2 years!  :)

>Hows Bruce Smith? Can Kelly have another great year? 

	Bruce and Jimbo aren't the only 2 players on the team...they have many
other greats, along with the Plan B players they picked up, I think they will 
be very tough to beat. 

>Have they signed any of the veteran holdouts?

	They will if they haven't...a lot of the players WANT to play, and 
Polian wants them to get to camp...deals will wrap up qucikly, I think.

My $.02....

				-Jonny B.
-- 
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From: DGP0@bunny.gte.com (Dennis Pratt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Need Pro Football Weekly newspaper address
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:34:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Labs

I moved, but my subscription did not.

Does anyone have the address?  Could someone email it to me.

Thanks in advance.

****************
   Dennis Pratt
     New Business Design Techniques
       GTE Laboratories, Inc., Waltham, MA 
    (617) 466-2910
****************
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strategy that is likely to achieve success, but at the same time minimize 
risk."
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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ONE FOR THE THUMB???
Keywords: Steelers
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:03:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul30.145732.12081@cbnews.cb.att.com> fmkeith@cbnews.cb.att.com (francis.keithline) writes:
>Are there any DIEHARD Steeler fans out there who think the Steelers can win
>a Superbowl in the next couple of years??  I live in the area of NYC and I am
>sick of hearing how much tradition The New York Football "giants" think they
>have.  All TRUE Pro Football fans know where the real tradition is,
>PITTSBURGH. Four Super Bowl Rings, only two teams can claim that accomplishment,
>but how many coaches can???  That's right ONE, CHUCK!!!!!!  Who should be the 
>starting QB, Bubby or Neil???  Any talk of or about the Steelers I am looking
>for.  Please post some Steeler news of mail it to me.  GO STEELERS!!!!!!
>
>
>Frank
>fmk@llssak.attmail.com

Uh, I KNOW the Giants have a long history--they won a pro football
championship *long* before Pitt did.  It's a shame that "diehard" fans
only count the good as part of the history.  But it's understandable
in Pitt's case, I supposed.

Although I'm not a Steeler fan, I will opine on your qb--Bubby will
take Pitt nowhere.  He was pathetic and a real turd in that playoff
loss a couple of years ago, yelling at his receivers like they were
dogs.

I don't think Pitt will win another Superbowl for some time,
unfortunately.  They are in a very competitive division.  Houston's
good for the top spot for a couple of years at the most.  Cleveland
may be up and coming; who knows about Cin?

Assuming they do win the division, even the AFC title, any of the top
five NFC teams is likely to win.  Look for NFC dominance of the
superbowl for another 3-5 years.

Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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Subject: Re: Idea for Pool (spreads)
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:27:00 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
> Someone just sent me what I think is a great idea for the pool.  Please
> comment.
> 
> "If you decide not to go with the spreads you also might want to try to
> let the individual people weight each game from 1 to #games that week.
> The weight will be the number of points awarded for a correct pick."
> 
> In other words, you take the pick you are most confident about and give
> it 14 points.  Take the one you are least confident about and give it
> one point.  Then give the other 12 games the other 12 values (assuming
> there were 14 games that week).  Thus you could score as many as 105
> points if you got all the games correct.
> 
> I really like this idea, please let me know what you think!  (again,
> respond to this post or mail with "spreads" in the subject)
> 
   Personally, I dislike the idea.  For one thing, I don't think people have 14 
different levels of confidence.  For another, when the bye weeks roll around,  
would people suddenly lose the chance to get a game wirth 14 points?  To       
prevent that, the non-bye weeks would have a game that is only worth half of   
the lowest bye week game.
   But these are nit-picking details.  The advantage of a confidence-scaled
system, it seems to me, is to reward those who are especially bright about
the game;  they will pick high upsets that other people wouldn't, and thus
get more points, whereas a non-scaled system would yield the person but one
extra victory.  Bear in mind, however, that there are a LOT of games.  To
borrow a lesson from another sport, baseball teaches that little things add
up over to big ones over a long time.  If someone only manages to scoop the
other players twice a week, he'll be 34 games ahead at the end of the season.
   So you see, the certainty-ranked system will MAGNIFY someone's success,
but not create it.
   That magnification will make people drop out of the pool.  If Joe Student
is behind by 760 points after Week 13, he's not going to keep trying.  The
pool will become less interesting and, more tragically, less fun.  This,
it seems to me, should be avoided.
   Having a confidence-scaled pool, then, is not only essentially pointless but
will drive people away from the pool toward season's end, making it less fun
for all involved.


Max Zener
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears news
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:25:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

One tiny error in my post about Bear news:
As noted in the roster, Stan Thomas is at 290lbs., not 280
as mentioned in the notes earlier.  He was at 320lbs last
year, so by dropping 30lbs in the off-season he is at 290.

----------------------
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (WCK)
Subject: Re: Need info on the following players...
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:10:59 GMT

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>In article <76581@ut-emx.uucp> chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios) writes:
>>
>>I would like your help on how the following players are doing in camp.
>>
>>Reuben Mayes
>>Allen Pinkett
>>Dalton Hilliard
>>Fred McAfee
>>Craig Heyward
>>Vaughn Dunbar
>>
>>See a pattern?  :)
>>
>>Thanks for your help...

>I wish I could help.  I'm waiting for a response to the earlier request
>for Saints training camp info!  The Houston papers cover nothing but the
>Earlers.  I do know that Reuben Mayes is no longer a Saint.  Where is he?

                     Reuben Mayes is now a Seahalk.                


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