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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Louisville/DePaul - Did I watch the same game?
Organization: ^$
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:19:02 GMT

In article <8112@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.193713.29025@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>>I enjoyed the SW Louisiana/LMU game more on ESPN.  SW Louisiana is tough.
>
>That was a fun game.  Mike Allen's range is unbelievable.  SLU seems to be the
                                                           ^^^^^
 You mean USL. Southeastern is SLU.

>Duke of La., at least in their player names.  They have a guy named Collins,
>a guy named Tony Moore, and a T.Hill! 
>  LMU wasn't very good, though.  But I don't think anyone would want to play
>in the Cajundome, "the hardest place in the nation to play".  SLU did look 
>a little small.  It'll be a matchup of their perimeter game vs UNC's inside
>game at the Rainbow.  If Williams is on, then game over, man.
>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Anfernee Hardaway
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:44:09 GMT

In article <7859@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.163649.26325@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)  
writes:
> >Penny [Is that really a nickname for a basketball player?! Penny was 
> >Sky King's niece!!] is like a Gehrig or Gretzky or Gamera.
> 
> {sung to the Gamera Theme song, with Michael Feinstein}

I'm still waiting for the "haunting" "Anfernee, oh Anfernee" song
to the tune of "Tibby, oh Tibby".

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From: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Defending Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Fifth Dimension - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654
Reply-To: gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch) 

Steve Williams wrote:
SW>Rozier is probably a head case.  He had an attitude problem at UNC before
SW>he jumped off the UNC ship and swam over to UofL.  This is in addition
SW>to his poor academic performance at UNC.  Wonder how he is doing at
SW>UofL, academically speaking.

He's doing just fine, Steve, or he wouldn't be playing. U of L,
academically, is tougher on it's athletes than most public institutions.
In fact their rules governing student athletes is more stingent that the
NCAA's. As for being a head case, I heard he simply didn't like being a
small fish in a big pond. This isn't unusual.

....Gil

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Defending Louisville...
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:59:34 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.college, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:

>Is Cliff Rozier a head case?  Hard to be sure at this point.  If he fails
>to correct his behavior by midseason we can give a more difinitive answer.
>Until then, mark it up to inexperience and being over-anxious.

Rozier is probably a head case.  He had an attitude problem at UNC before 
he jumped off the UNC ship and swam over to UofL.  This is in addition 
to his poor academic performance at UNC.  Wonder how he is doing at
UofL, academically speaking.







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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Fisher/Smith - 89 NCAAs - Rewriting History
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Dec18.160958.4491@watson.ibm.com> zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.135948.34270@watson.ibm.com>, Christopher J. Born writes:
>>
>> BTW, one of the most interesting, record setting, strategic, etc. games
>> played in recent tournament history was the UM-UNC game played during
>> Michigan's run for the Championship.  Many analysts gave Fisher high
>> marks for his coaching against Dean Smith.
>
>Some people seem to forget easily things like that when it comes to Fisher.
>The interesting part is that Fisher really outcoached Smith in that game.
>In the previous two years, Michigan had better teams (+Tarpley and Grand).
>However, they lost to UNC twice in the NCAA, as Smith outcoached Frieter.
>

Hello??? Anybody home?  Now I don't trash Fisher as much as most of the
folks on the net.  His is more of a discipline problem and not an easy one.

However, I think Fisher's coaching in the Michigan-UNC game had more to do
with Glen Rice hitting every shot he took than any gimmicks.  Rice was 
covered with a blanked during the second half and still stuck shots.

Fisher did some nice work in that tourney, but "Fisher really outcoached
Smith" is a bit strong.



Curtis Hill
chill%star3@mcnc.org

Who really outposted Zaphiris Christidis on this one....


Happy Holidays.  See you in a week.  Petruska is a stiff!!!!!




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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:19:57 GMT

gil.levitch@tfd.gwinnett.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:
>Jazzy J wrote:
>JJ> Actually, I also thought that the '86 team had quite a good group
>JJ> of senior leadership, with Billy Thompson, Jeff Hall, and Milt
>JJ> Wagner.  Along Herb Crook, they were an experienced crew that had
>JJ> gone thru it all, and along w/ then-frosh Pervis Ellison, they had
>JJ> enough juice to go all the way.

>Very well said, Jazzy. My sentiments exactly, except Billy Thompson was
>a freshman. Lancaster Gordon was on that team.

	Actually, Gordon's last year w/ the Cardinals was in '84, when
	they lost to UK in the Sweet 16 in a regional game played in Rupp.
	That was Billy T's sophomore year.

	Jazzy J
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:17:55 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:53 GMT

}} In article <Bz9JHJ.85s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
}} 
}} 	   Largent was the primary and sometimes,
}} 	   the only receiver on the Seahawks, and while Zorn and Krieg
}} 	   weren't the QBs Montana and Young were, they certainly weren't
}} 	   bad.

This sword cuts both ways.  If you were defensing the Seahawks, what
was pretty much the only thing you had to worry about for the
Seahawks?  Steve Largent.

For San Francisco, you had Rice, Taylor, Rathman, The tOSU tight-end
who retired and I can't remember because football is too violent, etc.

So Rice has to share the wealth; he also gets the benefit of a spread
defense, who can't really afford to double-team him constantly.
Largent was always the primary option, but he could be double- and
triple-teamed with impunity.  Sounds like a wash to me.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Football in rsbc 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:32:01 GMT

sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} For San Francisco, you had Rice, Taylor, Rathman, The tOSU tight-end
>}} who retired and I can't remember because football is too violent, etc.

>Of course, I meant to say "who retired because football is too violent
>and whose name I can't remember."

	Hmm... which TE was this?  Russ Francis?  Or perhaps John(?) Frank,
	but I thought he retired to go to med school!

	Jazzy J
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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:42:52
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: srt@aero.org's message of 12 Dec 92 17:52:38 GMT

>>>>> "Scott" == Scott "Ph.D." Turner <srt@aero.org> writes:
  Scott> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>No offense guys but could we at least wait until [Kidd] has done something
>worth mentioning before we act as if he is the second coming???

  Scott> And break a long-standing net.tradition?

Yeah, I was just thinking, whatever happened to that Khalid Reeves guy?
Heard they found him, Kenny Blakeney, Amelia Earhart, and Ed O'Bannon's
freshman season in the Bermuda Triangle.

I'm sorry Scott, I liked TCB better.
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Recruiting: Comments
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


 Something Bob Gibbons mentions in his report is the fact that some recruiting
experts will rank a player lower if they snub his camp.  He names Dave Krider
(Street & Smith) as an example; he feels he completely undervalued Sherron
Wilkerson, just because he snubbed his camp.  Bob may have a point; all the
other recruiting mags had SW in their top 30.  
  On the other hand, BG undervalues (maybe) some players other experts thought
very highly of.  Three notable exampes are Melvin Drake (BG 88, most others
top 60), Jason Sutherland (BG 150, others top 100) and especially Ed Elisma
(BG 119, others top 50).  Either Bob knows something they don't, or something
about that player other than his talent turned BG off.
  Bob compared the top 12 players to former HS players that were most 
comparable.  Please note that he didn't say they'd be as GOOD as these 
predecessors, only that they were either at similar stages in high school or
have similar potential talent.  That warning aside, here's the list:

1. Randy Livingston (6-4 PG): Jason Kidd, Michael Jordan
2. Rasheed Wallace (6-11 PF): Danny Manning, Sean Kemp, Bob McAdoo
3. Jerry Stackhouse (6-6 SF): James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins
4. Charles o'Bannon (6-6 SF): Jalen Rose, Chris Mullin (???)
5. Greg Newton (6-11 PF): Christian Laettner, Tom Chambers
6. Jason Osbourne (6-8.5 SF): Reggie Miller, George Gervin, Donyell Marshall
7. Ronnie Henderson (6-4 OG): Darrell Griffith, David Thompson
8. Jacque Vaughn (6-0 PG): Isiah Thomas, Pooh Richardson
9. Joey Beard (6-10 F): Don MacLean, Kiki Vandeweghe
10. Rashard Griffith (7-1 C): Bill Cartwright, Joe Barry Carroll, 
				Kevin Duckworth
11. Dontonio Wingfield (6-8, 235): Jamal Mashburn, Rodney Rogers
12. Jeff "touche" McInnis (6-4, 180): Walt Frazier, Kevin Johnson  

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: zgjm03@hou.amoco.com (George J. McMillan)
Subject: Re: How's UNCC Doing?
Reply-To: zgjm03@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:23:28 GMT

 What's a Tulane dude doing asking about UNCC? Aren't ya'll in the same conference?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Sims quits Hoosiers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:54:09 GMT

Subject line says it all. Malcolm Sims has left the team. He'll transfer
to another school.  Reason cited: Wants to go to school with "different
system that runs more set plays."  Hoosiers now down to nine players on
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rcbaker@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bob Baker)
Subject: Re: Louisville/DePaul
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:28:17 GMT

In article <1gote8INN2tu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> [Louisville beating DePaul results deleted]
>
>Missed FT and hot 3pt shooting kept DePaul in this game at the end.  I
>imagine Louisville is going to get more bad press for "barely" beating a
>depleted DePaul team, but I think UofL played well coming off a real downer.

I agree.  I caught this game on good 'ol ESPN, and the Cards looked
pretty good, despite DePaul's ability to hang in there.  Although they
had lost two in a row coming in, it looks like Denny's got quite a
squad.  Watch out for 'em in March, as always.

Funny.  I just criticized Louisville not too long ago for running a
bogus system (playing style, that is...no reference to 60 Minutes
comments intended).  My bad...I will proceed to eat my hat.

Bob



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From: mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: Re: Maryland info
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.212431.11809@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, daho_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dmitri) writes:
|> Could someone post more information about Maryland basketball games?  I can
|> get scores from clari.sports.basketball but nothing more.  Specifically,
|> how have Johnny Rhodes and Xree Hipp been doing?  Thanks in advance!
|>                                 --Displaced Terps Fan

Maryland is 4-1 so far.  They have been unbeaten at home.  They beat LaSalle
93-76 at Philadelphia this weekend.  Evers Burns continues to be the scoring
machine.  He had a season high 29 points in that game.  Both Johnny Rhodes 
and Exree Hipp along with the other three freshaman (Mario Lucas, Duane 
Simpkins and N. Petrovic) are doing a great job of filling in for the vacancy 
created by Walt 'the Wizard' Willams.  Johnny Rhodes is averaging 15 points a 
game whrer Exree Hipp is coming up with 13.  Terps have the next week off for
final exams.  

	TUNE IN NEXT TIME FOR MORE INFO...

P E A C E out

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Montross vs Shaq
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:24:06 GMT

In article <Bz447A.3p5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>and Salvatori?  Even Mark Acres didn't last THAT long in the NBA.
>
>	Actually, Acres did last quite a bit in the NBA, with the Celtics
>	and Magic, among other teams.  He entered in '86 (or '87) and was
>	playing until last season.  He hung around because he was a big
>	body who was willing to go in and sacrifice his body to bang on
>	the boards and foul.  As they say, if you're white and 7 feet, you'll
>	always have a job in the NBA (i.e. Greg Dreiling, Stuart Gray, Tom
>	Piatowski, etc.).

Don't look now, but there's somebody on the Houston Rockets' roster (as of
last Tuesday anyway) named Acres.  Looks like Mark is back...
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From: rfedkiw@sepulveda.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Mike Zeitzew
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:24:09 GMT

UCLA's biggest fan is Mike Zeitzew... pictured below.
He can be reached at mzeitzew@math.ucla.edu for comment.
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting: Top 50
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:37:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Looks like Duke is reloading, with 3 top 50 draft picks.

Any idea where some of those high undecideds on your list are going?  Like
Wallace, o'Bannon (UCLA to join his brother, perhaps?), etc?

Mike
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Fight!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:27:21 CST

In article <=gT=1P@engin.umich.edu> quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy) writes:
>>We all know that if Knight was down by this many points, he would either
>>already be long gone, or would just be sitting back, sulking.  He only gets
>>excited during close games.
>>-- 
>
>I've only seen a few of the Hoosier games so I can't say for sure but..
>The General seems a bit sedate this year.
>Anybody else have this impression?
>Is it too early?

He pretty much has been sedate for the last 5 or 6 years.  He still has his
moments, but in general, I have thought that in the Big 10, he has been one
of the calmer coaches, especially compared to Heathcoat, Keady, and
Clem Haskins.
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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Re: Best Maryland BBall players
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.205417.8769@jmb2.jmb.com> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike
Lewis) writes:
>G - Can't remember his name, but I do remember he was about 6'5" and real
>    skinny and played for them in the early 80's pre-Bias.  Good outside
>    shooter with poor shot selection.  Sorry, that's all I can remember.
>

Could Keith Gatlin be the man?? He actually was one year younger than Bias. The
only other possibilities would be Adrian Branch (he's 6'8") or Jeff Adkins.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:53 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>Does this mean that Jerry Rice's record, surpassing Steve Largent,
>is no big deal?  Largent had to deal with Zorn, Krieg, etc., while
>Rice has had the benefit of Montana and Young.  I agree that the
>assist record is no big deal - but I prefer to look at it as a team
>record in this case, hands down.

	Well, in Rice's case -- he's done it in so many fewer years 
	than it took an entire career for Largent.  If I'm not 
	mistaken, he's not even 30 yet.  Plus, U have to think about
	share the wealth.  Rice has played on the same team w/ fellow
	all-pro John Taylor, so not every pass has been thrown his
	way (in fact, it was Taylor, not Rice that caught that clutch
	touchdown pass vs. the Bengals).  Also, Rice also played w/
	Roger Craig in his heyday -- the year he rushed AND received
	for over 1000 yards.  Largent was the primary and sometimes,
	the only receiver on the Seahawks, and while Zorn and Krieg
	weren't the QBs Montana and Young were, they certainly weren't
	bad.  

	The other thing is Rice's talent.  Not to downgrade Largent,
	but most of his TD catches were his reading of defenses and
	following the called play.  Rice CREATES his touchdowns.  He'd
	catch a ball at the 20 and dodge 5 defenders before squirting
	in for the TD.

	Enough football!  This is rsBc... :)

	Jazzy J
 
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