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From: DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 - Early Impressions
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:22:25 GMT
 <1992Sep14.064710.19465@news.iastate.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Sep14.064710.19465@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc
N Barrett) says:

>In article <1992Sep13.224824.16853@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald
>G.
>Washington) writes:
>>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>>There are a few things Commodore should be doing immediately:
>>
>>One other thing is to release an update of AmigaUX for the A4000.
>>Maybe an A4000T would be nice...  (I am too full of ideas.)

>   If Commodore had put a 1280x960 non-interlaced monochrome or limited-color
>mode into the AGA chipset, and had put SCSI on the motherboard, the A4000
>would have made a damn nice low-end machine.  All Commodore would have had
>to add to it to sell it as a UNIX workstation is a little more memory,
>slightly bigger drive, monitor, and an EtherNET card.

Well, none of this matters because Commodore doesn't really have a
Unix. The Unix team is gone, and the Unix only works with a 68030.
Not so simple after all.
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:08:43 GMT

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <25799@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>> The A4000 has a PCMIA interface.

No it doesn't. There's a really fuzzy IFF picture floating around that
claims to be the A4000, but it's a complete fabrication. (Things like
a 'Ramona' chip, card interface, not enough drive bays, no keyswitch,
etc.)

>Oh, so now it's IDE and PCMCIA instead of SCSI.

I agree that IDE _instead_ of SCSI was a screwup, and I won't be buying
an A4000 because of it. I've got a bunch of SCSI devices attached to my
A3000 (hard drive, CD-ROM, tape drive), and I can't give up mass storage
for improved graphics. So as much as I'd like to have an A4000, I'll
have to wait for the Zorro III/SCSI II card that's promised for early
next year, or a future AA system with SCSI on the motherboard.

Now there's been a lot of shouting about the lack of SCSI, but I think
we ought to give credit where credit is due. Who makes the final
decisions on system configuration and such, the engineers or management?
Bill Syndes was the past head of engineering, anyone remember his most
notable contribution to the development of microcomputers? The PCjr. Is
it any surprise that a system he 'managed' was needlessly crippled?

But Syndes is gone, and CBM's engineers remain. Since they have
consistantly demonstrated that they are a sharp group of people, I
expect to see past errors corrected in the A4000's successors.

As far as PCMICA or PCMCIA or PCMCACIPCPAIMCA or whatever it is goes,
(could they possibly have come up with a _less_ memorable acronym? :-)
it could be an interesting addition if you had a portable/palmtop that
used the same cards. But the only thing I've got that uses cards is the
HP-48SX calculator, and it is non-standard. Oh well.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:28:10 GMT

>In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a

      You always say this same bullshit Phillip.  There are plenty of PC games
  that are really nice.  Have you ever played that many?  Have you ever looked
  around at what you can get?  

							G.Greene


>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmm...
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:49:42 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Sep6.054900.22917@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.010744.2669@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>There is an interesting tidbit in the latest AW contained within
>>the article "Small Talk: The New Amiga 600 Revealed" (p. 44-45).
>>
>>On page 45, in a discussion of the PCMIA connector, the author mentions
>>that Commodore will introduce a 386 PC emulator that fits into the
>>A601 slot. 
>>
>>Any comments?
>
>   Sounds like Commodore's management is just sick and tired of being
>repeatedly upstaged by small Amiga hardware developers, such as the
>makers of the ATonce and PowerPC.  I think that one of these companies 
>will probably have their PC emulator ported to the A600 for the A601
>slot long before tortoise Commodore finally gets theirs to the market,
>so the issue is irrelevant.

    Doubtful that this is the primary reason.  What you do not understand is
that Commodore's primary interest is the development of platform machines.
Hence the reason Commodore's peripheral selection is more geared towards
incentive.  Third part manufacturers develop products to fit specific demand,
while CBM is more interested in developing products to enhance the selling
points to their main platforms.
    It is a curious point that somehow, no matter what, you manage to see the
bad (or assumed bad) side to everything Marc.  Maybe if once in a while you'd
look at reality with a better viewpoint you'd be able to see solutions, rather
than just the problems.

                 ----------------------------------------
           LaMonte Koop -- SCSU Electrical/Computer Engineering
 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
              "You mean you want MORE lights on this thing???"
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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Icon default tool paths (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:40:07 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <92250.195010DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <raymondu.1d8q@terapin.com>, raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
>>   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More
>
>Developers who don't want tech support headaches (and frustrated
>single-drive users) use ":c/more".

	Unfortunately, when the user drags the icon onto DH1:, and his/her
system disk is DH0:, this fails too.

	I'd vote for an "install" program that decides what to do based on
the user's system.  But I've seen some of these, using Commodore's Installer
program, that make completely wrong guesses.  In addition, some programs
create their own project icons with the wrong tooltype.  New Horizons' Flow
3.1 saves its icons with the tooltype

		Drive:flow

where "Drive" is the root of the current partition.  Not smart.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:03:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.061632.11427@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jandreas@cs.ulowell.edu (Jason Andreas) writes:
>Little Tidbit:
> 
>  The person responsible for a good portion if not all (chris?) of the 3d
> routines in Ultima underworld has been working for commodore for the past
> 1-2 years. 

Hmmm.  Shows you can learn something in this newsgroup.  I assume you
mean Chris Green?  Can anybody confirm this?

>  Can't wait for the new graphics.library

Yep, it's much faster.

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Here's one for ya....
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:29:56 GMT

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

>At the WOC, Commodore mentioned plans for new chipsets beyond the
>AGA chips. A "low end" and a "high end" both with impressive sound
>and graphics. These chips are suposedly destined for a modular
>Amiga architecture in which the CPU clock rate and audio/video
>sub-systems are no longer interdependant. This is good. It allows
>for easier upgrades of graphics and processors.

>Now, my question: What happens to A4000 owners when these new chips
>hit the market in new cool machines with zippy 24bit graphcis and 
>16bit 100Khz sound? Speculations anyone?

>My feeling is the A4000 and the "AGA" machines to come are just a stopgap
>measure to give the Amiga graphics comprable to the common denominator
>in the Mac and PC markets.

>When the "highend, 4 chip set" and "low end 2 chip set" machines finally
>arrive I believe the A4000 and othere "AGA" owners will be in the same boat
>we A3000/A2000/A500/A600 owners are in now.

>Thus I believe I will just hold onto my A3000/25. It's a good machine.
>If I'm lucky some clever 3rd party hacker will marcket some sort of
>kluge to put the new chips in my A3000.
>-- 
>/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
>/* Waiting for what comes after the A4000! 	*/
>/* In the meantime I think I'll pick up a  	*/
>/* '486 box...					*/

If that will happen, just change the A4000 motherboard and use your old
68040-Processor card.

BTW if you follow your rule *Waiting for what comes after the A4000*,
    you'll wait until the judgement day:-B

Regards...
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: a4000 specs? who know
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:39:44 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:

>The high-end Seagates aren't too bad (i.e. the Imprimis line, which, I
>believe, is the result of Seagate's buyout of CDC, an excellent drive
>maker).  The under-100-meg drives aren't too great, though.

  The high-end Seagates AKA Imprimis, are not really Seagates since they've
hopefully not been corrupted by those twits, eh?  ;-)

>As you mentioned, usually the only difference between IDE and SCSI
>drives are the electronics.  The mechanical parts are the same.  Also,
>for some reason, you don't see many high-capacity (300+ MB) IDE
>drives.  Is this a limitation of IDE, or simply a function of supply
>and demand?

  Not sure what the limits of IDE are.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: A4000
Reply-To: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:20:41 GMT

Reprinted by Permission from the 5-MINUTE Weekend New Network,
a *StarShip*(tm) Production on GEnie(R).

Journalists have reported receiving the following announcemnet from Commodore
this week:

				HOT NEWS FROM COMMODORE

Introducing the "NEW" Amiga 4000 and other new products at THE WORLD OF
COMMODORE SHOW at PASADENA CENTER, Pasadena, CA, from Friday, September
11, 1992 through Sunday, September 13, 1992.

				SEE IT!

				HEAR IT!

			INTERACT AND CREATE WITH IT!
		ATTEND OUR EXCLUSIVE PRESS CONFERENCE

The Amiga 4000 is a revolutionary breakthrough in multimedia computers with:

				MOTE COLORS (16 million)
				HIGHER RESOLUTIONS
				FASTER ANIMATION
			       MODULAR PROCESSORS

East Cost press conferences will take place September 16, 1992 in Boston,
MA, and on Septmeber 17th in New York City.
******END QUOTE

Sorry for the typos :P.  Hopefully they will get the coverage and recognition
that they deserve, but only time will tell.  I wonder how fast chip ram access
in now.........
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:26:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: NeoSoft.1992Sep13.142648.22104
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep13.123712.26927@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
> In article <18rh75INNpga@aludra.usc.edu> dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
> >Since there is a modular CPU design, Jim Dionne mentioned they might
> >consider a RISC board. (por favor!)

> This Risc board idea sounds like a pipe dream to me - especially since
> 3.0 has more of the OS downcoded into assembly.

They should have spent the money they spent on THIS improving the compiler.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`
From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 6 Sep 1992 15:28:01 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:

>If I might make an observation, I think that the solution of the A3000,
>namely having both interlaced AND non interlaced displays, seems to solve the
>problem quite nicely. 
[...]
>                          I really can't understand how people can possibly 
>find any fault with this very sensible setup.

Yes I think this is a very sensible setup, in fact, it's what I've been
advocating ALL ALONG -- give user the option of interlacing or non-
interlacing depending on the situation.

What I don't agree is when people say interlaced video looks just as good
as non-interlaced video (at the same vertical scanning frequency).

-- Nan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:26:46 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmm...

In article <1992Sep6.010744.2669@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>,
rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) says:

>There is an interesting tidbit in the latest AW contained within
>the article "Small Talk: The New Amiga 600 Revealed" (p. 44-45).

>On page 45, in a discussion of the PCMIA connector, the author mentions
>that Commodore will introduce a 386 PC emulator that fits into the
>A601 slot.

>Any comments?

Perhaps Commodore intends to bundle the IBM emulator with the A600 in the
US. That might be part of the reason why the A600 hasn't been marketed in
the US yet. [pure speculation, I don't know]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Subject: AmigaOS 3.0, 3.1, and 4.0 plus 20xbandwidth chipsets
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:35:12 GMT

	At the request of somebody else, and to belay all
the doomcrys in this newsgroup (is that even possible?),
I'd just like to post a pointer to my summary of Saturday's
happenings at the Pasadena WOC in comp.sys.amiga.misc
called "World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)",
or something like that.

	It's pretty remarkable what Commodore has in store
for the next five years.  Oh yeah, everything in the title
was spoken by a Commodore person and not taken out of
context.

--Andre
(anxiously awaiting the high-end, next-generation chipsets)

-- 
Andre Yew                             andrey@tybalt.caltech.edu (131.215.48.100)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:58:03 GMT


RE: {blah} {blah}

Guys,
	I see the WOC postings as POSITIVE, it is stated there WILL be a 
low-cost 020 machine and that all forthcoming Amigas will have AGA! :-)
It is stated that the future hardware is designed to be modular/upgradeable.
To break with the old device-dependent past and start afresh, there has
to be a clean "break" somewhere along the line; sad but true. This isn't
the death of an age, it's the start of a new, exciting era! The post-AGA
chipset tempters from the presentation at WOC sounded *unbelievable*!!!

	CBM are turning in the RIGHT way at last, support them and this
great machine... as for A3000 owners, I'd say expect a great Power-Up
deal, CBM aren't (now) so stupid to alienate you all. They've spilled the
beans we've been waiting for and the beans tasted better than I ever 
expected! They'll want us all to move to AGA machines, and some incentive
MUST be highly probable IMO...

	Well done C= !

								- JIM CAD*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: New machines from Gateway (more flame bait....)
Keywords: Aighhh
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:39:48 GMT

>from Gateway:
>66Mhz 486 DX2
>VESA localbus slot
>ATI Graphics Ultra pro in the localbus slot
>300MB Maxtor HD
>2 HD floppys
>4MB ram
>15" Crystal Scan monitor
>Keyboard...etc..
>
>for $2850.00
>
>This is the type of machine the new A4000 will compete with. I think
>the A4000, from what I've read on the net holds up pretty well. It has a 
>slower CPU and lower resolutions but I feel the OS makes up for this.
>Add some EISA slots to the Gateway and it would be even more comprable, but
>alas it is ISA.

	 I'm not sure if it holds up that well.  There have been a couple 
  posts saying the A4000 is going to sell for around $3000.  Does that price
  include as large a HD as the GW2000 system, or a monitor for that matter?
  How about high density floppies?  That ATI Graphics Ultra Pro is pretty
  impressive also, at least from the specs being posted on some of the IBM.PC
  groups.  Plus, by adding 4 more meg of ram ($120), and OS2 2.0 (79.95) the
  OS becomes much better.

							G.Greene


>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
>/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here's one for ya....
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:54:55 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep15.122824.10561@rdg.dec.com> cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com () writes:
> 
> >Nothing.  We can decide if we want to buy the A5000 (or whatever) if
> >we want to.  Again, by the description of the new high-end chipset,
> >there is no way it will be a plug-in replacement either.   But up until
> >then, I'll have the most powerful Amiga available, and I'll get lots of
> >enjoyment gloating about it for at least a year
> 
> Read the WOC Review 2nd posting again, from AGA on new chips WILL apparently
> be `drop in and go'. One of the areas of the posting that REALLY pleased
> me! :-)
> 
> A lot of the answers to what people are asking are in that post of Egge...ch's
> talk. It's all good news too IMO, if you haven't read it, get a copy and do
> so, it will cheer you up. [That was to everyone, not a personal suggestion]
> 

Yes, but do employ your critical reading skills.  The talk ranged from near
term factual matter to statements of intent and strategy intended to be unfolded
over the next several years.

Do not confuse things like an intent to provide modular video support with
a statement that all AGA or "post AGA" systems will provide plug-in upgrades
or that your model year 199X Amiga will accept the year 200X options.

I'm not sure how many WOC "reviews" are floating around, but also be aware
that any summary leaves out more than it includes.  It would be nice if
someone could provide a near-literal transcript so that more interpretations
could be based on first-generation material...

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From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: High Density drive for the Amiga???
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1992Sep4.082649.16382@news.uit.no> <1992Sep6.172057.27665@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:22:57 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:20:57 GMT, davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery) said:

>   Don't they have anything better to do? I don't see a bunch of amihga
>   owners going to comp.sys.ibmpc or something and flame them. 

I do see them. I guess you don't read ibm pc groups, maybe that's why
you don't see them....

-Heikki

--
   Heikki Suopanki          *     Mother stands for comfort
   suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi *     Mother will hide the murderer
   University of Oulu       *     Mother hides the madman
   Finland                  *     Mother will stay mum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:19:46 GMT

In article <25799@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>
>I've already posted elsewhere on this subject, but I think it's worth
>repeating. 
>
>The A4000 has a PCMIA interface.  C= are shortly to release a CD-ROM
>drive for the A600 which will connect via the PCMIA interface. 
>Ta-Da!  Instant CDTV compatability for the A4000 and all future Amigas
>which have a PCMIA interface.

The A4000 has a PCMIA interface?  I don't recall reading anything which
stated that it does, but maybe I missed something.  Not that I'd mind
if it did...

>This is a very good (and significant) move IMO.

I'd like to congratulate C= on the A4000 and tell all the bitchers and
whiners to go to hell.

>	Mark

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu




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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: AA chipset - superhires non-interlaced?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.182904.20822@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   The Lisa chip does include an on-chip scan-doubler/deinterlacer, but this
>is really only slightly improved from the external display enhancer of the
>A3000.  It now handles all 15Khz modes, including SuperHiRes.  

Does this mean the A4000 can handle produce 1024*400 non-interlaced using
The deinterlacer?  Is PAL the same?   

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
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