From: kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keefer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: a3000kickstart
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:11:41 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

OK, let me make it perfectly clear that I am not making a mistake this time
since I had to go out of my way to save this guy's letter and bring it into
my newsreader so I could post it...  Commentary follows this oh-so-
constructive letter.


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From: jow@hcast.franken.de (Juergen Weinelt)
To: kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Subject: Re:  A3000 kickstart
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PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE PIRATE

>If you haven't gotten any response yet, I can mail you a DMS'ed version of all

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>of the 3000 system disks, including kickstart (which has both 1.3.2 and 2.04 on

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>it), the workbench, extras, and fonts...  Just let me know.  BTW - I haven't

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>heard of your problem before, very interesting.

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>later,

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>keefer

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-- Juergen Weinelt, Germany (ECG116)

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OK.  Let me just start by saying that I really appreciate getting letters from
people (on a differnt CONTINENT no less) that I've never even heard of before
who have nothing better to do with their time than to send letters to people
who should be doing things more important than reading said letters.

I also resent being called a pirate.  I am not a pirate, and I don't
appreciate being called one by some angel-white-underwear-wearing dork who
hasn't even met me before.

I have even CONTRIBUTED to the Amiga community via a shareware game (for which
I have gotten very little return), written with AMOS & its compiler which I
BOUGHT and actually OWN.  What have YOU done?  I guess you're too busy pointing
out all of us "wrongdoers" so that the streets will be safe for mankind.

Now let me even JUSTIFY what I said I would do:  For one thing, if C= support
sucks, which I think it does as well, then the guy was going to need them 
eventually from somewhere.  When I first got my computer, I sent in the
warranty registration form like a good little boy.  I never heard from them
again.  The next year, when the next freshman class came in and was also forced
to buy Amiga computers, one of the people on my hall sent in THEIR form and
got the next release of WB/KS OS 2.04 in a couple of weeks.  Free of charge.
So maybe I slipped through the cracks somehow, I don't know; at any rate, since
he got the new version FREE, that pretty much implies that if they already
have release 2 (whether it came with it or he bought it or what) then they are
entitled (which they should be) to a little upgrade at no cost.  So if C= won't
do it (they didn't with me), then SOMEONE has to.

Now, how DID I get 2.04, anyway?  Well, since the whole purpose of us having 
Amigas was for Amiga UNIX (now THERE'S a real nice story for a later day), they
put the new disks on our UNIX side, where we had to SUPPLY OUR OWN DISKS to make
the new system masters.  Mind you, this wasn't even mentioned to us in any way.
I just happened to notice it because I was looking around.  They turned out to
be in some weird place like /usr/AmigaDOS/newdisks.  There is absolutely NO
documentation for this program, including no mention of distribution
restrictions or even COPYRIGHTS, ANYWHERE or ANYTIME during the master-disk
making process.  I would just assume that if they didn't want their disks spread
around everywhere that they would put a software license at the start of the
program and something like "<ESC> to abort or <RETURN> to agree to this
license and make the disks."  Does that seem unreasonable for me to assume?

At this point, I'll even ADMIT IN PUBLIC, HERE ON USENET, that I have already
mailed the DMS versions of the disks and they have already been received.  So
the deed is done.  If anyone has anything to say about it, then they can 
publicly explain why I or anyone else haven't gotten even any ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
that we exist.

So many times I've heard friends here say "My friends back home hadn't even
HEARD of an Amiga before."  People wonder why this happens.  Well, I'll tell
you:  It's because of the shit support that we've been getting and therefore
giving a bad reputation for C=.  If they're not going to bother with us then
why should we bother with them?

The Amiga is a good computer, and has the potential to be the best PC of any
kind.  However, there is just so little backbone (at least in the US) that
it just gets laughed at most of the time.

In summary, there is NO EVIDENCE that anything I have done is illegal as far
as I'm concerned.  If C= or anyone else disagrees, you might as well do it
here because I will post any and all flames or notes I get in regard to this
posting.  I hate to stir up such a rukus, but I'm not going to stand for
that.  I also don't like to get involved in flame wars (this being my first
one in 4 years) because it just makes everyone look dumb after awhile.  But
maybe this'll give a lot of people (esp. one guy in Germany) a real wake-up
call.  Besides, if he's going to make a public issue out of it (by sending
it to various CMB machines), then damned if I'm going to sit back doing 
nothing.

keefer
Keith P. Johnson

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