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From: coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman)
Subject: Leyland may have made a BIG mistake...
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:34:35 GMT


Though I hope not, Jim Leyland may have made tonight's big Pittsburgh victory into tomorrow's loss. 

Here's what I mean. It's the second inning, and your team is up 8-0. You know   that, in all likelihood, you've got a tough 7th game tomorrow night, facing an\
opposing pitcher (Smoltz) who has shut your team down twice in this series. On
the mound you have Tim Wakefield pitching, the only guy on your staff other thanBob Walk who has shown any ability to beat the Braves, and there's no way he canpitch with only 1 day rest. Your starter for tomorrow's game is scheduled to be
Doug Drabek, who, though he had a good season, has shown no ability to stop the
Braves defense, with a 6.00 ERA in two games. 

Now here's my proposition: Why not take Wakefield off the mound, with a 
commanding 8-0 lead, and start him in game 7? If you don't want to start him
with 2 innings of work the night before, though hardly alot to a knuckle-baller,you can always keep him warmed up as insurance against too hefty a Braves lead.
I mean, sure, it might insult Drabek, and take away a playoff win from Wakefield(wouldn't go enough innings to win Game 6), but hell, I'd rather win, and I'm 
sure those guys would too. It seems to me like Leyland would've done alot betterto put someone like Tomlin in the game after the 2nd inning, allowing Wakefield
to rest and start tomorrow night.

Just remember, if the Pirates lose tomorrow night due to another horrible Drabekouting, you have to wonder if perhaps this wasn't such a bad idea.

Then again, Drabek could pitch wonderfully and make me look like a Chowderhead. Ah, such is baseball.

Kevin
coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:43:47 -0500

In article <1bi893INNam2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, tallynnk@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Nicholas K Tallyn) writes:
> ccohen+@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes:
> 
>>Friends,
>>  Two simple questions, as the Subject states:
>>
>>1) I know that the ALCS has never ended in 6 games, has the NLCS  
> ever done
>>	so?
>>
>>2) Has a pitcher ever recorded 3 losses in the (N)LCS?
>>
>>3) Has a *starting* pitcher ever recorded 3 losses in the (N)LCS?

Now Doug Drabek has lost 3 games in the same NLCS.

>>
> 
> I believe that Cincinnatti beat Pittsburgh 4-2 in 1990...
> Also, I believe that no pitcher(especially starting pitcher) has lost  
> 3 games in either LCS...
> I don't have any information near me, so these are from memory...
> 
> 
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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Key in game 5
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:54:45 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

(Gerry Gryschuk) writes:

>This is getting scary. Me an avowed Cito basher defending him twice within
>a couple of days. To put it simply I don't think Cito made a mistake in
>this situation. If pitching on 3 days rest was going to hurt a pitcher
>I would expect it to occur later in a game when his arm got tired quicker
>than normal. Cone simply didn't pitch well. 

  Huh?  Cone pitched reasonably well.  You can't be perfect with so 
  many errors behind you.  I'd gladly take 162 games pitched as well
  next year, and would win the division by, oh, 15 or so.

Tim MacEachern
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From: tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors )
Subject: Alomar: Great Situational Hitter
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:41:06 GMT


Wow! After seeing Roberto Alomars' clutch homer off Eck in game 4 of the
ALCS, I have no doubt that he is an outstanding situational hitter. He
will always give you what you need, a sacrifice, extra bases and even a
homer. He is going to be a force for many years to come.
           tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
                Tim Connors
From: desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mike Mussina
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:57:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

Mike Mussina had a record of 18-5 this year.  He probably should have had more wins but the bullpen blew some leads and he didn't much run support. I'm just    curious. What was the O's record this year when he started?
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Subject: Parallel League Baseball
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:47:56 GMT


     
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From: pmorris@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Top of 9 may have been it
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:03:08 GMT

It certainly was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. Most 
previous posters have commented on the dramatics of the bottom of the
ninth, but we shouldn't ignore what transpired in the top of the inning.

The Bucs had a chance to pad the lead. It's a single to the outfield
and the 3-b coach send Orlando Merced from second to try to score.
Bam -- Dave Justice guns down Merced.  Why? Because of Justice's arm, but
moreso because of Berryhill's positioning. If Lavalliere had positioned 
himself to block the plate in the bottom of the ninth, Bream is out and
we're into extra innings.

It was a tremendous game (it didn't end on t.v. here until 1:30 a.m.).

The Series should be as exciting!! Will Cox's use of the Braves pitching
in Game 7 have a negative impact on their rotation for the Series. The Jays
seem to be set up nicely in this regard.

Stig (in Newfoundland)
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From: cazuzek@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Zuzek, John E.)
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Oct 1992 15:34 EST  

In article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes...
>From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
>Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
>Is it just me or what?

It's just you - the replay *clearly* showed Bream's foot hitting the plate 
as the tag was being applied to his ankle (as in "late").

And, no, I'm not a Braves fan...

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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: SF offer for Giants
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:06:00 GMT
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In article <1992Oct12.222615.3279@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com 
(Sherri Nichols) writes...
>Just heard on KCBS radio:
> 
>Despite the pullout of lead investor George Shinn, a coalition of SF
>investors led by Safeway chairman Peter Magowan has presented NL president
>Bill White with an offer to buy the Giants for $95 million.  In addition to
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>[names of others deleted] 

>The reported bid by the Tampa Bay group was $115 million, which included a
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>$10 million loan by Bob Lurie.  
> 
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

Why should Lurie even consider an offer for $20,000,000.00 less?  (Unless the 
owners vote down the move.)  Has SF given him $20,000,000.00 worth of good 
feelings?  Hardly. 
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: barrywatch
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.225940.26666@math.toronto.edu> joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:

>If you watched game 2 of the NLCS, someone in the Atlanta crowd
>had the Barry-o-meter.  0-fer-his-last 5 and then he singled and scored and
>a time when the game was already over.

Really?  I didn't know they kept on playing after the game was over.

Geez.  You're really stretching.  You don't like Barry Bonds, so you
come up with any excuse to belittle his performance.  Here's a hint:
unlike fake sports like football, basketball, and hockey, there is no
clock in baseball.  A team can come back from ANY deficit.  Games aren't
over till they're over.

As an aside, I assume everyone noticed that Mr. Winner, who is a
Winner, who always pitches to the score when he gives up 4 runs, and
never loses important games and is such a clutch performer, somehow
didn't win.  Yes, that's right.  Jack Morris went into the eighth inning
looking like a loser, but somehow almost wasn't a loser because John
Olerud got a hit.  But then, given a second chance, he *choked.*  He
blew it.  He sucks.  He's no good under pressure.  He shouldn't even be
in the majors.  He can't win when it counts.  :)

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niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Roland Hemond: SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!
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From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: RC/MLV Continued
Reply-To: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:21:08 GMT

>>>Josh Rosenbluth (attmail!jrosenbluth) writes:
>>>
>>>Player        RC    MLV
>>>
>>>McGwire       -6    -6
>>
>>Huh, how can this be true ?
>>He hit 42 dingers, and had an OBP of around .400!
>
>If you had noticed the presence of Parker and Franco, you would have come to
>the realization that Josh was using 1991 stats.
>
>In any case, I feel semi-vindicated. :-)
>
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

What an idiot move on my part. That's what I get for coming to work on Sunday.
McGuire sure did suck in 1991. Anyway, it looks as if both of these methods
work well with the proper adjustments. Good work. Now we don't need to let 
idiots vote for MVP, we'll just check the RC's. Yeah right, I see that 
happening. And OBP, slugging, and RC will be the new triple crown !

Sam
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175009.4046@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers) writes:
>In article <7183@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.151808.15458@sei.cmu.edu> dpw@sei.cmu.edu  
>>(David Wood) writes:

>>> By comparison, the Pirates outdrew teams from huge cities such as
>>> Boston, San Franscisco/ Oakland, both Chicago teams, Detroit, Philly,
>>> both LA-area teams, and both New York teams (these are the 7 largest
>>> metro areas in the country, by the way - there is a definite pattern here). 

>>I agree with most of your post, but have one quibble here.  Boston
>>pretty much draws as many fans as they can draw. They fill Fenway
>>to 90+% of capacity every game.  Many cities have higher averages
>>because they can draw 50,000+ to big weekend games. Boston can't;
>>they only can fit about 33,000.  Thus it really isn't fair to
>>imply that somehow Boston fans don't do as good a job as fans in
>>some of these other cities. They do as well as the park allows.

>	In order to see who has the best fans (ie - loyal), why don't
>	we just base it on a percentage.  In other words if Team A sold
>	~90% of its seats for the entire season and if Team B only sold
>	~80% of its seats, team A would have the most loyal fans even if
>	team B draws more total fans.  

This is silly.  If Boston continually sells out 100% of it's 30k seats,
and Cleveland sells out 90% of its 75k seats (Dream on, Cleveland fans)
should we therefore conclude that Boston's fans are more loyal than
Cleveland fans?

> 	If somebody out there has final attendence figures for each team
>	and what the attendance would have been for 81 sell outs --
>	please post.

>later,
>				---Mark

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From: MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu (mark rieker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Acker's Revenge & Braves Banter
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:11:45 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


      OOOOOOOOHHHH YYYEEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!

     I don't believe it.  I almost got thrown out of a computer lab when
     I started dancing.  Otis Nixon called it "an act of God".  Well I
     wouldn't go that far, but it's incredible. Wow. Now some points...

     -Well netlands fav rave pitcher strikes again! Even though the Ackman
      is no longer serving em up, he still can turn a game around.  Lest
      anyone forget, the Braves traded Acker to Toronto for.......
                       Francisco Cabrera.

     - To clear up a mistake, Cabrera had 10 AB this year, not for his career.

     - I'm sick of hearing how the Braves were lucky to beat the Pirates!!!
       Were they lucky to win the first two games?  Were they lucky to score
       13 runs in game 2?  Were they lucky Belinda sucks?  You want to tell
       me about bullpen troubles?  Can't you remember 24 hours to game 6?
       I guess you can add Francisco Cabrera to that list of "lucky" players
       with Robby Thompson, Kirk Gibson, and Carlton Fisk.

     - Cox has to ABSOLUTELY go with a four man rotation.  Is Gaston just
       going with three?  My personal choices look like this

                    Atlanta           Toronto
      Game 1        Glavine           Morris
           2        P. Smith          Cone
           3        Avery             Guzman
           4        Smoltz            Morris
           5        Glavine           Cone
           6        Avery             Guzman
           7        Smoltz            Morris

     Some interesting matchups to say the least!  Avery-Guzman could be a
     matchup we see 10 years from now.

- The Braves and the Jays had a combined attendance of over 7 million this year

- My prediction:  The Braves in 7.  The Chop Shop makes the difference


    Go Braves!!   Crush the Jays!!!!
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From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Chop and chant
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:54:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <colinm.719180414@cunews>, colinm@alfred.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
>   I think that the chop and chant may not be as effective as a
> rowdy cheering crowd when that 10th man is needed.

Thanks Colin, we'll try that next year.  Maybe the game will have a more 
exciting ending.


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From: kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A true classic
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:07:43 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <Bw69tI.Fq0@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>Last night's Pirate/Braves G-7 was a true classic. I couldn't
>help feeling sorry for Leyland as the Braves snathched a
>well deserved victory from him and Drabek.......
>
>But, his post game comments was a class act.
>
>I feel that as in life, so also in Baseball. What goes around
>comes around. If a line drive becomes a double-play once, it
>can become extra bases the other time.
>
>And Leyland, who IMO is a great manager will see better days
>in future. Of this, there is no doubt.
>
>But at the same time I tip my hat to the Braves for never
>giving up. The braves should feel lucky, not proud after
>this win.
>
>S.H
>Forever Twins
>


I disagree...they should feel proud...proud that they never gave up and for 
believing in themselves.

GO BRAVES

--Ken

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From: kasper@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Random musings upon perusing Baseball Weekly statistics
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

1. At 5 of 6 positions (excluding P,C,1B) the difference in range factor
between the best and worst "regular" (>700 innings) is larger in the national
league than in the american league.  The difference is particularly noticeable
in the outfield.

                LEAUGUE AVG             BEST            WORST           DIFF

2B AL           5.25                    Bordick  5.75   Alomar  4.68    1.07
2B NL           5.17                    Thompson 5.81   DeShields 4.66  1.15

3B AL           2.77                    Ventura  3.30   Lansford  2.29  1.01
3B NL           2.66                    Wallach  3.08   Madagan   2.10   .98

SS AL           4.70                    Gagne    5.06   Lee       4.30   .76
SS NL           4.59                    Jay Bell 5.07   Offerman  4.23   .84

LF AL           2.28                    Raines   2.61   McReynolds 2.07  .54
LF NL           2.15                    L.Gonzalez 2.76 Gant      1.96   .80

CF AL           2.90                    Wilson   3.52   J.Gonzalez 2.71  .81
CF NL           2.79                    Nixon    3.24   H.Johnson  2.32  .92

RF AL           2.22                    Whiten   2.36   Bichette   2.04  .32
RF NL           2.07                    Justice  2.42   Dawson     1.77  .65

Explanation, if warranted?

2. Otis Nixon has a range factor of 3.24.  Neon Deion has an rf of 2.62.  (He
doesn't seem to let punts hit the ground before he catches them.)

3. The new Ruben ("I'm going to work hard on my fielding") Sierra had pitiful
fielding stats again this year (2.06 range factor compared to league average
2.22; 7 errors, 6 assists).  Among right field regulars only Sierra (6/7),
Pasqua (4/6, but a 2.26 range factor), and Von Hayes (1/3, but a 2.24 range
factor) had fewer assists than errors (although there's probably very little
meaning in this - assists are a notoriously bad way to evaluate the throwing
ability of outfielders because runners almost certainly take fewer chances
against fielders with good arms thus giving those with good arms fewer
opportunities for assists).  But Ruben continues among the league leaders in
whining about how he is treated.

4. Chris Hoiles throws out only 20% of base stealers. Is this a comment on
Hoiles' arm or on O's pitchers? Both?

5. Cleveland hit 33 points higher at home than on the road (.283/.250); San
Diego 31 points higher (.271/.239), and Boston 26 points higher (.259/.233). 
Milwaukee hit 16 points higher on the road (.260/.276).  All other
differentials ar much smaller.  Explanation?  6 AL teams hit better on the road
than at home; one NL team did.  Explanation?


Raph Kasper