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From: fins@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jason Young)
Subject: Re: Whole Bunchas of Bands
Organization: The Dark Side of Margaritaville, CATT, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.141619.23566@b8.b8.ingr.com> daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty) writes:

>** Not hard to please,just no taste in music,then again there were those
>** who liked the Monkeys.

Whoa, that's some kind of intelligent conversation you have going there!
Keep it up Bruce, maybe you will win some critically-acclaimed awards for
that insightful wit.

but to use a very worn-out phrase.......

NOT!!

P.S. Bruce, I happen to enjoy Pleasant Valley Sunday borderline bubble-gum or
no.

All other flames to /dev/null
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BTW, I forgot to mention Little Feat and Van Morrison in my roundup.  

The Feat are fantastic,  One hell of a band in concert.  I never would have
thought of paying to see them, but I might just the next time around.  
I managed to see them while working at the Walnut Creek Amphitheater in
Raleigh.  

Van Morrison's Moondance is one hell of an album (got a little stuck on
himself with all those pictures in the CD jacket)  Now this guy is a 
poet in a half.  Kind of reminds me of another Morrison.  I got turned
on to Van the Man listening to buffett's "Brown Eyes Girl" cover.

Speaking of covers, I know that I trashed Zep a little before, but what about
Stanley Jordan's instrumental "Stairway....." ?  Listening to that restored 
my faith in the beauty of the tune, now if maybe he would cover some of the
others.

Also, I haven't seen any mention of Kansas; Emerson, Lake, and Palmer; or
Billy Joel (I know that ELP and Joel are exactly "mainstream classic" rock)
any thoughts?

P.S. I apologize for the Peart misspelling.  It took me over a year to
learn to spell Townshend right (I always left out the h)

but hey, "It's only Rock and Roll to me"




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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: mystical@nmt.edu (Gurupartap Davis)
Subject: Hendrix songs--who wrote them?  Whats the deal?
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:40:35 GMT


I recently read in one of these threads that Hendrix's 'Hey Joe' was a cover 
song.  This led me to wondering--how much of his stuff *did* he write?
I looked back at my albums for the songwriters, and I realized that there 
are *NO* songwriting credits on any of his albums.  This is confusing
me now because I had always thought of 'Hey Joe' as genuine Hendrix, now
I am starting to wonder how much of the other stuff might be covers of
little-known versions.  
   On a related note, I recently found a CD with some OLD Hendrix songs,
some recorded before the Experience, called _Early Classics_, with
Curtis Knight on vocals.  They play a song called 'How Would You Feel'
that sounds incredibly like Dylan's 'Like a Rolling Stone.'  All of the
verses follow the music exactly, except the chorus isn't quite as long,
also, ALL of the lyrics are different.  I happen to like 'How Would You 
Feel' better than the Dylan song, personally.  I was just wondering which one
was written first...

Can anyone help me?
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From: rwynne@nyx.cs.du.edu (R. Wynne)
Subject: Another So Far Ignored Band.....
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:33:54 GMT


Hey, waycool newsgroup.....kudos to whomever thought of it. :)

So far, the discussion of best/favourite rock band has centred around
Zep/Who/Doors/Beatles/Stones lines, but there is one band (among many)
that has been vitually ignored, and is one of my all-time favourites.

Ladies and Gentlemen.....I present you with......\
\
The Band.

(The name just says it all, eh?)

Seriously, Robbie Robertson and the guys put out some of the most
intellegent, innovative rock-n-roll out there, and some of its 
members have continued that tradition since The Band's demise.
(Robbie Robertson's first solo album was a masterpiece, I say!)

Any other Band lovers out there?

+doc

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree)
Subject: Re: Van the man 
Organization: MCC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:24:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165232.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>
kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:  

> Van Morrison is a classic rocker without a doubt.  He was the first
>    product from the Emerald Isle to make it in the USA.

A) I wonder how he would appreciate being referred to as a "product".
I certainly wouldn't.  B) This has zero to do with whether he's a
rocker, classic or not.

>By the way Alan
>    ,if Brown eyed girl is bubble gum rock than I guess you would think
>    New Kids on the Block are a jazz band, right? 

I konw barely enough about them to gather that they are not.

and to think your a Who
>    fan tsk tsk tsk.
>
>                                 B.C.Kelly

The only thing I can think that you mean by this is that the BCR are
somehow in the same league as The Who as a rock band.  I'm willing to
be shown evidence to back this up, if that is indeed what you mean.
But my opinion about Brown-Eyed Girl (which, BTW, I do like, although
it is the only Morrison song that comes to mind about which I can make
that statement) is unchanged.

Alan

(BTW, that's "_then_ I guess", "_you're_ a Who fan", etc.)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: The Best, The Worst, and Subjectivity
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.140640.8047@dg-rtp.dg.com>, cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
|>  
|> The Doors? I like 'em. Was Mr. Morrison a poet? MMMMMmmmmm I think not. He
|> had a smooth voice, he was *extremely* expressive in his singing style, but
|> the lyrics to their songs were incredibly redundant. "Touch Me" consists
|> of the same short phrases over and over again, as do most of their hits.
|> I just heard "When You're Strange" and "Don't You Love Her Madly?" 
|> recently, and realized how often things are repeated over and over (and over)
|> in the Doors' songs.

Except for the fact that both "Touch Me" and "Love Her Madly" were written by
guitarist Robby Krieger.  Have you ever read any of Morrison's poetry?  I agree
that a lot of it is shit, but some of it is actually pretty good (An American
Prayer, for example).
 
|> One of my favorite groups (and one of the most underrated groups, IMO) of 
|> the late '60's and early '70's is Three Dog Night.  It's true that they
|> didn't write most of the stuff that they recorded, but their renditions
|> were without peer.  

No argument here.  "One" and "Old Fashioned Love Song" are two of my favorites. 
However, I'm trying to forget about "Joy to the World."

Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: GERRY_KENDAL@ACT.EDUC.UALBERTA.CA (Gerry Kendal)
Subject: Re: Firstpost Challenge
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Organization: University of Alberta, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:32:00 GMT

In article <1e7nu7INNdi0@aludra.usc.edu>, cokin@aludra.usc.edu (Darren
Cokin) wrote:
> 
> In article <4396@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
> 
> >What is considered a classic?
> 
> >What about the rock & roll from the mid 50's to the early 60's -
> >is that going to be discussed or considered to be classic?
> 
> No, very little music from that era is considered classic rock.  That's what we
> call "Oldies."
> 
> The radio station I listen to is KLSX ("the station that spells classics!")

A matter of semantics.  I was pleased to see this group until I found that
the standing definition of 'classic rock' starts mid 60's.  Seems we still
need another group for the 50/60's crowd.
From: curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: Re: Firstpost Challenge (great newsgroup!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:00:58 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Nov16.153901.5259@b8.b8.ingr.com>, daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty) writes:
> In article <1992Nov15.182949.3987@wkuvx1.bitnet>, curtiws@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>> In article <1e6ccnINNpq9@aludra.usc.edu>, wbiggs@aludra.usc.edu (Wes "Squid" Biggs) writes:
>> > The Who is the greatest all time rock-n-roll band.  Pete Townshend's lyrics,
>> > combined with Daltrey's vocals and the energetic backup of Keith the Inferno
>> > Moon and John Entwistle, will never again be matched in terms of raw
>> > energy.
>> > 
>> > The Who pioneered concept rock -- more than the Beatles, I say.
>> > 
>> > My humble opinion.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> Man,
>>     This really is a hard argument,i love the Who as much as i love
>> Zep but if i have to pick one ill always go with zepplin.and no ones
>> even mentioned pink floyd or skyndard(sp?!) or many other worthy
>> mentions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> See ya.
>> 
>> Scott
> 
> ## Raw energy and talent,huh? Guess you never saw Cream.     


Hi,
   Not in person,no but i have always loved Cream and as a bass player
Jack Bruce is the best!!! (at least one of my fav's anyways).I wish i
could go back in time and catch a couple of concerts-zepplin, who, cream
old aerosmith,but alas,i was born too late.At least i can still see
aerosmith!

Scott.
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Subject: rock-debate
Date: 17 Nov 1992 03:41:32 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Well, I'm new at this newsgroup stuff, so I trust you'll all bear with
me.  Without question, Floyd and Zeppelin and Hendrix have to be considered
among the best; the Doors, on the other hand, are overrated (though "The End"
is without question one of my favorite songs).  Nobody has mentioned the
band who is arguably responsible for the birth of heavy metal--i.e. Black
Sabbath.  Their old stuff was truly innovative, and they really brought a 
whole new mood to the rock scene.  I read a book by a sociologist from
DePaul who claims that the debate concerning the fathers of metal comes
down to Zeppelin and Sabbath, with the British preferring Sab and the
Americans preferring Zep.  I guess I'm one of the Americans going with
Sabbath; Zep is more talented, but the heavy, depressing sound that is
definitive of true metal is definitely the work of Sabbath.  Not much of
Zeppelin hits on this level, though Immigrant Song is a good metal
forerunner.  By the way, I agree with the person that Zep III is possibly
the best Zep album ever, though many people don't care much for this one.
You've got to take a good look at Physical Graffiti too, though.  As for
Sabbath, I really like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, though really everything
with Ozzy is great, except perhaps for Never say Die, which one can 
acquire a taste for if they try hard enough.  Are there any Sabbath lovers
out there?  Let me know.  I'm also surprised that nobody has mentioned
Deep Purple, a band who really hit the line between blues/metal/ and even
some pseudo-classical stuff.  As for contemporary bands with a classic
sound, does anybody know what happened to Masters of Reality from
Syracuse (who, interestingly enough, are named in honor of Sabbath's
third album).  These guys really showed promise on their debut album,
but I haven't heard anything about them since.  Does anybody know
if they're still around?  If you haven't heard them, give them a listen
(their first album was released in '88 or '89).  They haVE HEAVY influences
from Cream, Neil Young, Sabbath, and a little of everything else.
Oh, before I log off, let me put in a mention for one of the most underrated
hard rock bands of all time:  Thin Lizzy.  These guys were great, but
everybody seems to overlook them.  Jailbreak was another great metal
forerunner, but they have some earlier stuff that is truly creative (e.g.
Remembering).  Johnny the Fox, Black rose, and Fighting also deserve 
mention.  Lizzy appreciators, speak up!!  They've been overlooked for
too long. Well, I hope somebody gets something out of this.  I'm looking
forward to seeing some Sabbath and Lizzy lovers crawl out of the woodwork.
Until later, Eric.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree)
Subject: Re: Van the man -- minor correction
Organization: MCC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:43:19 GMT

In my previous post, my statement

>The only thing I can think that you mean by this is that the BCR are
>somehow in the same league as The Who as a rock band.        ^^^

should have been "NKB".  Apologies to the (justifiably) confused.

Alan
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Subject: Damn Fine Bass Line
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:33:29 GMT

  One of my personal favorite basslines around is "Heart of the Sunrise" by
Yes.  In nine blissful minutes, Squire goes through every trick of the bass
trade:  There are typical, frantic, Yes-ish lines (such as in the intro to
the song), a beautiful, high-register, sing-song line, a rock-jazz bridge,
and plenty of other stuff to blow your socks off. 
   Squire admits to writing this one with Steve Howe (the guitarist) in
order to achieve a more guitar-esqe melody line with the bass.  
   This is one of the first basslines that I ever learned to play.  After I
saw it played in concert, I ran home, sat in front of my stereo for days,
and studied each riff intensely.
   In my opinion, this is one bassline that certainly deserves a ranking
among the best.

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From: fineston@pop.cis.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Subject: Guitar solos
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:14:40 GMT

  How 'bout this for a new discussion:  What are your favorite, classic,
awe-inspiring guitar solos?
  Some of my favorites include:

				Comfortably Numb (both of them) -Floyd 
				Mood For a Day (simply beautifulalthough not as complex as 'Clap' or
			               'Surface Tension' or 'the Ancient' etc..) -Steve Howe
(Yes)
				Black Dog (profoundly cool) -Led Zeppelin
				Bijou -Queen
				Watermelon in Easter Hay (too bad no one has heard this, it's
incredible!) -Frank Zappa (off of Joe's Garage & Guitar)
				Janie's Got A Gun (what was Joe Perry thinking?!) -Aerosmith

I would love to see additions to this list on the newsgroup.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: pww9211@zeus.tamu.edu (Boone)
Subject: Best Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:46:00 GMT


  While I certainly agree that Led Zeppelin (who seems to be
  winning this little poll) was fantastic beyond words, I
  simply fail to see how anyone could fail to recognize the
  Beatles as the most talented band, period.

  Don't think so?  Listen to Sgt. Pepper.  Watch the movie
  "Let It Be."  

  A lot of bands have helped the progression of rock&roll, but
  Beatles did it first, and better.

  My god, man, this band had some DIVERSITY in their songwriting.
  Compare these titles:

    Please Please Me
    Love Me Do
    I Want To Hold Your Hand
    Etc.

  Then remember these:

    Helter Skelter
    Strawberry Fields
    I Am the Walrus
    A Day in the Life

   Even goofy shit they did (You Know My Name, Look Up the Number, eg.)
   was fantastic.

   The differences in the Lennon/McCartney styles provided the
   basis for the most well written collection of songs ever
   assembled.  

   Any questions?

Boone

 PS  The Beatles stayed broken up, too.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: pww9211@zeus.tamu.edu (Boone)
Subject: Re: rock-debate
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:58:00 GMT

In article <1e9ta1INN3c7@phakt.usc.edu>, cokin@phakt.usc.edu (Darren Cokin) writes...
>In article <00963B80.97015CE0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> 
>>Nobody has mentioned the band who is arguably responsible for the birth of
>>heavy metal--i.e. Black Sabbath.  
> 
>The Beatles are responsible for the birth of heavy metal.  It all originated
>with Helter Skelter.
> 
> 
                                                    Darren


      Aha!  I detect other intelligent life out there!

      Yes, the Beatles did originate heavy metal, were the first band
      to use distortion, tracks played backwards, theme rock-n-roll, etc.
      And, they also gave us the walrus!

      Bless you Darren


  Boone

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Guitar solos
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:35:51 GMT


   A personal favorite is the mellow yet bone rattling solo in the
middle of Mott the Hoople's "Hymn for the Dudes".

   As far as a complete instrumental guitar piece, Roy Buchanan's
version of "After Hours" is world class.  I think it can be found
on his second album.

   And, as always, almost any time you can convince Clapton to play
the blues is spectacular.

TJ
-- 

"It really only matters to the people who care."

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: scmj@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Christine Johnson)
Subject: Re: I'M NEW AND THIS IS GREAT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:49:36 GMT

Hello, friend.  Yes, there are women who read (and now post to) this group.
Ballads????  They're okay, I guess.  I prefer the heavier tunes myself...

Just an amusing little story... a couple of years ago on boss's day, my
fellow colleagues (male and female) were getting flowers and assorted
junk from their staff members.  My staff presented me with Led Zeppelin's
first album on CD.... 

Oh, and my favorite bands?  Nothing new here - Led Zep, Rush, Stones and
Queen.

Okay, so maybe the story wasn't THAT amusing....


-- 
Chris Johnson			scmj@sunyit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.classic
From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Subject: Well, it _was_ brought up... 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:25:44 GMT

I love the Tull, but Ian really needs to find some new source of lyrics
besides the carnal infidelity he seems to be hooked on. Yeah, OK, so it'
s a lot of fun to belt out those tunes (from Tall Thin Girl and Thinkin'
Round Corners back to Hunting Girl and then some) at the top of your
lungs when you're feeling your oats, _but_...  Still, White Innocence
is probably by far the best new (sounds like it was recorded in the mid
80s, doesn't it? Just released on the last one, though) Tull song to
show up in a while...
   Martin, on the other hand, uncorks some of the best guitar solos
you've ever heard, for those of you looking for them. I mean beyond
Aqualung, even...

BTW, to whomever thinks Jimi can't sing:  as a friend of mine once
said when answering this criticism, "You gotta get your head
screwed on straight, man..."  Seriously, nobody was expecting Jimi
to belt out arias.  But for blues??? Well, I can't get over his
Voodoo Childs (Slight Return) live, and Red House vocals. They fit well.  
Besides, have you ever tried to play guitar like that _and_ sing
at the same time?? Sorry, unfair question, I've given up on the first
criteria and gone my own way, too...
   Jimi does some very passable vocals in the studio when he's got the
time to redo the take (whoops, make that past tense. Oops.).

Guitar solos:  (folks, I've always suggested that guitarists
listen to other folks, especially sax players, if they _really_
want to inform their own playing better, but anyway):
A few come to mind.

Al Anderson of NRBQ on "I Want You Bad", "Ridin' In My Car"
Alex Lifeson, Rush, "Limelight", "La Villa Strangiato" (I know,
      I know, it's impossible to list them all)
Dave Gilmour, the Floyd, "Time", "The Gold, It's In The..."
Martin Barre, "To Cry You A Song", "Kissing Willie"
Roger Hodgson, Supertramp (I know, but really! he's a killer
    player) "Goodbye Stranger", "Sister Moonshine"
Alvin Lee, "I'd Love to Change the World"
Trevor Rabin, "Changes", "Miracle of Life"
Roger (Jim) McGuinn, "My Back Pages"
Steve Howe, "Rouabout", "Siberian Khatru", all of Tales
Leslie West "Nantucket Sleighride"
Lowell George and Paul Barrere (depends on what you're listening
   to) "Fat Man in the Bathtub"
Larry Carlton, Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemagne"

Well, that's enough bandwidth for now.  Dig deeper, kids; this
is just rock and roll. Wait until you hit the blues and jazz...
Frank Sellin, fes9s@virginia.edu
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