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From: anita@astro.as.utexas.edu (Anita Cochran)
Newsgroups: austin.forsale
Subject: Furniture for Sale
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:06:57 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Univ. of Texas McDonald Observatory

The prices on all the listed items are negotiable.  Most of these items came
from an estate and are in reasonably good condition.  Delivery can be
arranged for all but the bedroom set (this takes a pickup).


Bedroom set:
Black laminate set containing a full size platform bed (with mattress),
      dresser (6 drawer), headboard, 2 side tables -- 1 with drawer
      Also includes a 2 x 3 foot black frame mirror.
      Very good condition.
Suggested price $400

Dinette set:
Oak-grain formica octagon table with chrome legs and 2 leaves.  Comes with
      4 chairs with cane back and beige vinyl seats.
      Excellent condition.
Suggested price $150

Coffee Table:
Approximately 5 foot long oak coffee table which is in a modern, rounded
      style with a shelf underneath.  Should have a glass top but glass
      broke in moving.
      Wood part in excellent condition -- very nice piece -- no glass.
Suggested price $25

Sofa:
Brown cut velour (that means a pattern cut into the nap) sofa.  90 inches
      long.  
      Medium condition.
Suggested price $75

Refrigerator:
A very reliable 10+ cubic foot refrigerator with inside freezer.  Extremely
      energy efficient.  Has all of its bins.  In excellent condition.
Suggested price $150

Lawn Mower:
Murray 20 or 22 inch, rear bagger (bag included) lawn mower.  Not self-propelled
      but works well.
Suggested price $40

If you are interested in any of these items, give us a call at 343-7429
(leave a message and we will get back to you) or e-mail to me.
-- 
 Anita Cochran  uucp:  !utastro!anita
                arpa:  anita@astro.as.utexas.edu  
                snail: Astronomy Dept., The Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX, 78712
                at&t:  (512) 471-1471
From: cmao770@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mauricio)
Newsgroups: austin.forsale
Subject: car
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:10:44 GMT
Reply-To: cmao770@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mauricio)
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cmao770@doc.cc.utexas.edu


89 Mithubishi precis LS 5 Door, AT AC AM/FM cassette, power steering,
runs like new.  65K miles  $3,700. Moving must sell. 322-0107
From: cmao770@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mauricio)
Newsgroups: austin.forsale
Subject: $300 discount car
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:36:32 GMT
Reply-To: cmao770@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (mauricio)
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cmao770@happy.cc.utexas.edu

$300 dollors discount on the michubishi
89 Mithubishi precis LS 5 Door, AT AC AM/FM cassette, power steering,
runs like new.    $3,400. Moving must sell. 322-0107


Xref: sparky austin.forsale:2503 austin.general:3484 tx.forsale:483
From: sriram@cs.utexas.edu (Sriram S. Rao)
Newsgroups: austin.forsale,austin.general,tx.forsale
Subject: Stereo System For Sale
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:31:06 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu



		SANYO STEREO SYSTEM FOR SALE
		----------------------------

  o  Has 2-tape deck

  o  Has Tuner, Amplifier, 5 band Graphic Equaliser

  o  Has Turntable for LP's

  o  Has provision for CD attachment

  o  2 100 Watt (each) Speakers PMPO

  o  Big Wooden cabinet with Glass Doors

  o  2 years old and in good working condition

  o  Reason for selling : Leaving Country

  o  Asking : $150 / OBO

  o  Call 323-2275 and leave a message
From: luong@cs.utexas.edu (Hue Nhu Luong)
Newsgroups: austin.forsale
Subject: for sale
Keywords: printer, organ
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:26:35 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

Two items for sale :

Apple Image Writer II :
A
	2-year old, in great condition.  Owner move to Califoria for a job.
	Must sell. $150, cash preferred.

Electric organ :
	
	Must sell item. Features include upper and lower keyboards with 5
	octaves each, 20-key pedals, wide-selection of polyphonic and
        monophonic intrument sounds and percussion, wide-selection of auto-
	rhythm accompaniment, keyboards are touch-sentive with realistic
	sound production, has earphone jack, audio left and right output,
	MIDI-in and out jacks, include bench, sleep black color, compact design,	weighing only 100 lbs, keyboard section can be detached from pedal
	stand for easier moving. Ask for $3000 negotiable.

Both items must be sold by December 15, 1992. Send email to honga@cs or call
512-451-3590 for Alice or Rosa to arrange looking at the items.
Newsgroups: austin.important
From: cmao760@chpc.utexas.edu (Chunyang Peng)
Subject: Mitsubishi for sale
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:21:29 GMT

89 Mithubishi precis LS 
5 Door, AT AC 
AM/FM cassette, 
power steering,
runs like new.  
  $3,700.   OBO 
Moving must sell. 
Phone 322-0107 
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: lort@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Lort)
Subject: Re: Transit Levy on BC-Hydro Bills
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:11:43 GMT

robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:

>Brad Crockett (bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
>>davison@selkirk.sfu.ca (R. Davison) writes:
>>> This is just pathetic!  Do you really think that people commute because
>>> they like too?  Its expensive and inconvenient.  All I need is to have
>>> parking reduced so that in addition to my 45min drive I can search for
>>> parking for another 15.
>>
>>> There is a reason people don't take the bus.  Its inconvenient and
>>> time consuming.  My current 45 minute drive (each way) is extended
>>> to 2 hour bus ride (yes I have tried it) (yes each way).  If
>>> BC transit were to stop wasting taxpayers money with pathetic
>>> service people WOULD get out of their cars and take transit.  But
>>> the solution is to make transit an attractive alternative, not to
>>> make driving unbearable ... this is happening already without stupid
>>> artifical barriers.
>>
>>This seems a good case for moving the homes that people live in
>>closer to their workplace.  Something should change because it's
>>just going to get worse.

>What about families where both partners work in different areas? At least
>one of them is going to be inconvenienced.

If you had seen the view of the city blocked by the air pollution this summer, as those of us at Simon Fraser had the dubious honour of witnessing you would not be whining about inconvenience, you would see the absolute necessity of getting cars off the road and the people into public transit.  It would seem that your biggest problem is that you are all worrying about which came first the chicken or the egg.  If people start demanding and using the public transit system it will get better.  The politicians



 will have no choice.  STOP WHINING AND START BUSING!!!!!
lort@sfu.ca                    LIVING HIGH ABOVE YOUR EXHAUST
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: Car culture
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 11:35:57 PST
Distribution: bc
Organization: Robert Smits
Keywords: cars, public transit, SkyTrain

jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:

> There seem to be at least a few people reading this newsgroup
> who are interested in public transit, so I was wondering what
> people thought of the following:
> 
> An advertisement appeared in the Vancouver Sun on Friday on page B3
> with the following in very large letters: "Skytrain passengers can
> now see the latest in modern transportation."
> 
> The ad goes on to say "The chances are you'll be seeing a lot of
> Skytrain passengers looking longingly out of the window when they pass
> Stewardson Way and Third Avenue.  That's the new home of ...Key West
> Ford Sales... You see, sharing a Skytrain with 50 people just can't
> compare with your very own Ford."
> 
> It then goes on to mention various Ford products, and concludes with
> "So why not drop by Al Backman's Key West Ford dealership today.
> You're certain to be the envy of everyone on the Skytrain."
> 
> 
> I find this ad disgusting.  The ad implies that people only take
> the SkyTrain because they don't have a car, which is quite a
> regressive view of public transit. (ie well, I guess you have to have
> public transit for all those poor sods who can't drive).
> 
> It also implies that it is better to drive instead of taking the
> SkyTrain.  This is true if you are going somewhere the SkyTrain
> doesn't go, but if you are going somewhere the SkyTrain does go
> then you are almost always better off to take the SkyTrain.
> (I am reminded of the little girl I once saw on the SkyTrain who was
> looking down at the road, saying "passed them, passed them, passed
> them, ...")
> 
> Imagine what would happen if everyone did drive their nice new shiny
> Ford all by themselves, instead of taking the SkyTrain - then
> everyone could enjoy their Ford much more since they would spend
> much more time in it. :-)
> 


It does, however, seem to be a general fact that almost everyone who can 
afford to do so will opt for the personal convenience, safety (from other 
passengers), comfort and reliability of their own car over the public 
transit system. Doesn't that tell you something?

Namely, that public transit is generally regarded as the least desirable 
way of getting somewhere by most people?

(I'm not saying here that it is, but that people perceive it to be so.)


Robert Smits Ladysmith B.C. emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they 
want, and deserve to get it good and hard. - H.L. Mencken
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Distribution: bc
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: Transit Levy on BC-Hydro Bills
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:32 -0800

In <J0BDuB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:
>> Right on.  The first time I ever visited Vancouver, I was impressed
>> to discover that the parking at the park&ride is free.  If I were faced
>> with having to get downtown from Surrey every day, I would certainly
>> take advantage of the Scott station park&ride......

>Of course, though, you might find a problem when you got back to your 
>car. When I lived in Surrey, there were regular reports of auto thefts 
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
>and auto break-ins at the Scott Road parking lot. A whole bunch of cars 
>with hardly anyone around, and the Skytrain for a get-away vehicle.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	I don't think they let you on the Skytrain carrying a car. ;-)
( sorry, couldn't resist )


-- 
                    John Henders              " Read the guideline, Luke"
           Just another elitist Usenet user        Obi Wan Spaf
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland)
Subject: Car culture
Keywords: cars, public transit, SkyTrain
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:42:20 GMT

There seem to be at least a few people reading this newsgroup
who are interested in public transit, so I was wondering what
people thought of the following:

An advertisement appeared in the Vancouver Sun on Friday on page B3
with the following in very large letters: "Skytrain passengers can
now see the latest in modern transportation."

The ad goes on to say "The chances are you'll be seeing a lot of
Skytrain passengers looking longingly out of the window when they pass
Stewardson Way and Third Avenue.  That's the new home of ...Key West
Ford Sales... You see, sharing a Skytrain with 50 people just can't
compare with your very own Ford."

It then goes on to mention various Ford products, and concludes with
"So why not drop by Al Backman's Key West Ford dealership today.
You're certain to be the envy of everyone on the Skytrain."


I find this ad disgusting.  The ad implies that people only take
the SkyTrain because they don't have a car, which is quite a
regressive view of public transit. (ie well, I guess you have to have
public transit for all those poor sods who can't drive).

It also implies that it is better to drive instead of taking the
SkyTrain.  This is true if you are going somewhere the SkyTrain
doesn't go, but if you are going somewhere the SkyTrain does go
then you are almost always better off to take the SkyTrain.
(I am reminded of the little girl I once saw on the SkyTrain who was
looking down at the road, saying "passed them, passed them, passed
them, ...")

Imagine what would happen if everyone did drive their nice new shiny
Ford all by themselves, instead of taking the SkyTrain - then
everyone could enjoy their Ford much more since they would spend
much more time in it. :-)
From: coatta@cs.ubc.ca (Terry Coatta)
Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: Car culture
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:44:16 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca
Keywords: cars, public transit, SkyTrain

In article <maoNuB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>, emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

|> It does, however, seem to be a general fact that almost everyone who can 
|> afford to do so will opt for the personal convenience, safety (from other 
|> passengers), comfort and reliability of their own car over the public 
|> transit system. Doesn't that tell you something?
|> 
|> Namely, that public transit is generally regarded as the least desirable 
|> way of getting somewhere by most people?

The attitude which people have towards public transit is strongly
correlated to the system's utility.  When I lived in Toronto I owned
a car.  However, except for weekend trips out of the city I used
public transit.  Why would I waste time in traffic clogged streets
when the subway can deliver me to my destination more quickly.  
Currently, I live in Richmond and commute to UBC.  If there were a
SkyTrain link between the two, I would use it.  Even for trips downtown
I often go to the 29th street station, park my car, and then take
the SkyTrain downtown.

Make the transit system more convenient (a principle consideration of
which is speed) than automobiles and people will CHOOSE to use it.

-- 
Terry Coatta (coatta@cs.ubc.ca)
Dept. of Computer Science, UBC, Vancouver BC, Canada

`What I lack in intelligence, I more than compensate for with stupidity'
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Wood screws
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 05:46:21 GMT

In article <LD19TB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>gay@selkirk.sfu.ca (Ian D. Gay) writes:
>
>> Does anyone know where to buy slotted-head wood screws in the lower 
>> mainland? All the common retail outlets have only those #$%^&#@ 
>> Robertson screws.
>
>
>Why on earth do you complain about Robertson wood screws? They're far 
>superior to the old-fashioned slotted type because they don't fall off 
>your screwdriver, and because you get much less slippage of the 
>screwdriver bit in the screw.
>

Oh god. A flame war on SCREWS!!!!!!

Does anyone make Torx(TM) wood screws?

>
>
>Robert Smits Ladysmith B.C. emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they 
>want, and deserve to get it good and hard. - H.L. Mencken


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Newsgroups: bc.general
Subject: Re: Car culture
From: bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 11:56:33 PST
Organization: 'Happy' in Duncan, BC, Canada
Keywords: cars, public transit, SkyTrain

jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland) writes:

> I find this ad disgusting.  The ad implies that people only take
> the SkyTrain because they don't have a car, which is quite a
> regressive view of public transit. (ie well, I guess you have to have
> public transit for all those poor sods who can't drive).

It's the nature of the beast.  Marketing is driven be creating
dissatisfactions in the target market - be they real or imagined.

I agree, it's disgusting!


Brad Crockett, Duncan, British Columbia, Canada
INTERNET: bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca
     CIS: 72570,2154
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: kcattell@csr.UVic.CA (Kevin Cattell)
Subject: Need compuserve number
Originator: kcattell@csr
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:50:24 GMT

Can someone give the the compuserve number for Vancouver (I guess
there isn't a Victoria number...)?

Thanks!

kevin
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jstrickl@cs.sfu.ca (James Strickland)
Subject: Re: Transit Levy on BC-Hydro Bills
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:07 GMT

In article <1e459oINN4av@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
[ all sorts of rational, sensible stuff]
> and have you priced parking - what there is of it - in downtown
> Toronto lately?  

The last time I walked down King street I noticed that parking under
the TD centre was $4 per half hour, daily maximum $17. (That, however,
was a couple of years ago - it's probably even more expensive now).


> Someone brought up an argument I've heard many times before, that
> transit from far out takes too long.  Then why not take the partial
> step of driving to a park-and-ride, such as that at the Surrey
> Skytrain station, and then riding the rest of the way?

Right on.  The first time I ever visited Vancouver, I was impressed
to discover that the parking at the park&ride is free.  If I were faced
with having to get downtown from Surrey every day, I would certainly
take advantage of the Scott station park&ride, since doing so would
result in
  a) taking LESS time to get downtown
  b) having a great view of the mountains, etc from the SkyTrain
  c) spending about the same amount of money to get there
     (when you consider the cost of gasoline plus maintenance
      plus the added cost of insurance given that you drive
      farther to work every day)
  d) spending a whole lot less on parking (ie $0)

Newsgroups: bc.general
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Transit Levy on BC-Hydro Bills
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:08:19 GMT

jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:

>In article <schuck.721588018@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>
>>Air quality in Vancouver is deteriorating rapidly.
>prove it.

Are you blind? Can't you see the *brown* air.

>>Asthma attacks are increasing astronomically.

>prove it.

I don't have the reference on me, but asthma attacks *are* on the
rise, and the numbers of deaths is at a record level. I came very
close a few years ago, until I started taking an inhalable steroid. I
never had asthma until about 3 years ago. I can't prove it was caused
by air pollution but it is a leading contender.

>>

>Like many of your statements, they tend to be sweeping, and without
>even the benefit of some back-of-the-envelope calculations or 
>reasonable estimates. No one on the net expects a full research paper
>to back things up, but perhaps something from an article or newsshow?

I'll keep my eye open. You should too. There have been several articles
in the paper and on the news about asthma.

>Please quantify "detiorating rapidly" and "astronomically"
>or "your gas taxes don't pay for it at ALL".

I have been going to SFU and working at SFU off and on for 15 years.
When you get near the top of the hill you get a good view of the city.
15 years ago the air was *not* brown. Now, more often than not on a
sunny day, the air is *brown*.

>The plese explain to me why air quality indexes in Vancouver newspapers are
>consistently in the good to fair quality region.

Good to fair? What standards! Fair is ok with you? I work at SFU and
several times this year the air was less than fair as it seems all the
pollution gets funnelled down Burrard Inlet and the SFU area is badly
affected. I'm sure UBC fairs much better as it is on the water.

>>It's time to inconvenience *some* people to benefit all.
>>

>fine. make people pay a market, cost-recovery rate for the cost of
>the services they use. 

Sounds fair to me. Please start with the automoblie drivers first as
they consume much more gasoline and taxes than transit users.
-- 
......

Newsgroups: bc.general
From: john@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (John A. Green)
Subject: Looking for a programmer
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:16:59 GMT


I'm posting this for someone who does not have net access.

He is looking for someone who can write file protection stuff
to put onto a software package - I'm assuming for DOS.  I'm
sorry that I can't be more specific than this, I haven't spent
too much time talking to him about it (and I don't know anything
about file protection in DOS).

Anyway, it sounds like a good little bit of work for somebody
to do: please call Mike Bailey on his cellular at 889-4105.  He
also has a pager number if that doesn't work: 844-6950.


By the way: is there any pet name for people with no net access?
If not, there should be one.   *8-)
-- 
John A Green                           PROGRESS programmer at large   
john@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca              Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: bc.general
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: Transit Levy on BC-Hydro Bills
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 03:07:07 GMT

In article <schuck.721588018@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>Air quality in Vancouver is deteriorating rapidly.
prove it.

>Asthma attacks are increasing astronomically.

prove it.
>

Like many of your statements, they tend to be sweeping, and without
even the benefit of some back-of-the-envelope calculations or 
reasonable estimates. No one on the net expects a full research paper
to back things up, but perhaps something from an article or newsshow?

Please quantify "detiorating rapidly" and "astronomically"
or "your gas taxes don't pay for it at ALL".
(To substantiate *MY* claim, I've included statements by you from this
and past responses. They make a claim, but have no substance beyond
rhetoric. Therefore, I don't think my claim about you, is a sweeping
generalization)

The plese explain to me why air quality indexes in Vancouver newspapers are
consistently in the good to fair quality region.

>It's time to inconvenience *some* people to benefit all.
>

fine. make people pay a market, cost-recovery rate for the cost of
the services they use. I should start posting some articles from 
The Economist, or other magazines. There is baffling resistance and
inexplicable suspicion and distrust of something as conceptually simple
as market economics. The efficiency and effectiveness of market economics
is generally accepted in academic circles, there is mostly disagreement
of the extent and nature of using the market.
>
>-- 
>============================================================================
>"We've got to get bigger guns" -- Dick Durkin                  schuck@sfu.ca
>============================================================================


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