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From: ksh@mayo.edu (Kerrie Holton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:21:47 GMT
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus


-- There is a shuttle that runs between the two airports, and leaves every 
twenty minutes or so (I'm not positive about the timing).  The trip
probably takes about 40 minutes, so you'll have to rush.

Tickets cost 11.50 US.  Talk to a travel agent about getting them
ahead of time.

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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Using AAdvantage Miles to (Stansted or Gatwick)
Keywords: london traveler
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:49:56 GMT
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <1992Aug26.154849.7825@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>(I wrote):
>>It's true that I'm using an award rather than mileage, so that may make
>>the difference between airports.
>
>The awards *are* the miles.  One must get the award from American
>AAdvantage (by redeeming miles) before one can get the ticket.
>(Miles --> Award ---> Free Ticket).  One can get the ticket directly
>in the mail, but normally one gets the award certificate first.

Yes, surely, that's how it works if you're redeeming miles.  But
not all awards result from miles.  There are specials.

I received an award, valid for a free main cabin seat on an American
international flight, simply because I took a transatlantic flight
during a specified period earlier this year.

Mileage had nothing to do with that award.

(Actually, it's kind of mind-boggling, since I get the mileage for
that flight, too...surprising what you can parlay one trip into.)

>I suggest Mr.
>Hank calls AAdvantage again and try to see if he can get what he
>wants.

Good advice.  It's a free phone call.  800-882-8880 in the U.S.
and Canada.

Charleen

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: harvie@lanai.progress.com (John Harvie)
Subject: American matches coupon fares
Keywords: discount
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:24:57 GMT

American is matching the coupon discounts offered by America West and United
(in newspapers 8/26 as somebody mentioned in an earlier posting here). 
The $270 fare booked yesterday was ticketed at $220 today (nice surprise),
and (even nicer) I didn't have to ask for the discount or give them a coupon....
Discount is $35 for fares $150-249 and $50 for fares above $250.

-- 
John Harvie			|
Progress Software Corporation	| "Give me coffee or give me sleep."
Bedford, MA			|
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: CFD: rec.travel.air.forsale
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:21:58 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) wrote: 
->Isn't everyone else *sick* of these for-sale posts?  They take up darn
->near 75% of the traffic.  Ugh!

hear, hear!!

->The NY Times reports this morning that the TWA talks seem to be a done deal.

was this a "for sale" posting? 

:)

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:28:01 GMT

The 25 credits for 2 free round-the-world tickets seems to be very promising.
The tickets that get you credits have to be $100 or more. So you could potentially
do the following:
  Fly 25 times round-trip from SFO to LAX, for example, where the fare is
close to $100 (unrestricted fare, although this was not required in order for you
to get the credit), and then get 2 free round-the-world tickets for approx. $2500.
Seems to be quite a deal, if you can stand flying back and forth 25 times just
to accumulate the credits (and mileage ?)

Maybe I misinterpreted it, but this was the potential I saw, for someone who'd want
to try it.

Pankaj

In article <1992Sep3.123054.1@us.oracle.com>, bkush@us.oracle.com (Brian Kush) writes:
|> United announced today with a full page ad in the USA Today that they are 
|> having a promotion based on round-trips from now until December 18th.
|> 
|> Basically you get one credit for each round trip, with two for a purchased
|> first class ticket, not an upgraded ticket.
|> 
|> Then you can redeem them as follows:
|> 
|>  4  One free Economy Class round-trip within the continental US.
|>  7  One free Economy Class round-trip to Hawaii, Europe, the Caribbean or 
|>              Latin America.
|> 11  One free Economy Class round-trip to Asia or the South Pacific.
|> 25  Two free Connoisseur Class tickets on there "Round-the-World" flights.
|> 
|> You can also get 1,000 mile upgrades if you would rather.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Brian Kush  --  Oracle Corporation  --  bkush@us.oracle.com

-- 
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Pankaj Narayan			Email: narayan_pankaj@tandem.com
Tandem Computers			  
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: 108116@adpdp2.lanl.gov (108116)
Subject: freq. flyer
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:16:00 GMT

Thru Easy-SAABRE I am a member of AA frequent flyer program.  However my
upcoming overseas trip is on Delta and British Air.  Would it be better to join
their freq. flyer clubs before the trip or during?  Thanx  Heather
From: pete@gamma.nsc.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: <<<<<RT Boston-San Jose ticket FOR SALE>>>>>>
Keywords: Boston, San Jose, ticket, airline, sale
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:20:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Originator: pete@gamma.nsc.com

Hello all,

I have a round-trip plane ticket from Boston's Logan airport
to San Jose Intl. for the Thanksgiving holiday.  I know this
may be too far in advance, however, my plans for that week
have drastically been changed.  The ticket is under a female
name, and was purchased for $357.  I'm selling it for $300.
If you think that it's unreasonable, then make me an offer.
The departure date is the Tuesday of that week,(I must verify
this though, it could be Wednesday), and returns on Sunday.
Both flights leave in the morning, I know this for a fact.
The Boston-SJ flight makes a connection in Chicago and then
into San Jose.  The return flight however leaves from San
Francisco, and is non-stop to Boston.

If you are interested, PLEASE let me know via e-mail.  I will
have all the departure times and flight #'s tomorrow(8/27/92).
Also, the dates can be changed for $25, but since it is during
the holidays, any change in fares will also be incurred. 


Thanks.
Pete  e-mail--> pete@galaxy.nsc.com
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From: hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,fj.rec.travel.air
Subject: Yet Another Around the World Routes (Re: United.. around the world)
Keywords: United Airlines, Air France, UTA, Japan Airlines
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:56:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

In article <1992Aug14.220711.4192@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.125345.2099@merrimack.edu> gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
>>I would like to announce that United Airlines now sell plane tickets
>>for flights around the world.  
>>The last time such a service was offered by Pan AM many years ago.   

Many years ago, Japan Airlines was also operating Round the World 
routes including New York -- London.

>>You stop in Delhi, India and many other places

>United's round the world service begins Feb. 10, 1993. The flights are
>UA 1 and UA 2. They are daily flights. 
>Pan Am had similar flights PA 1 and PA 2, which were discontinued
>sometime around 1982.

This new routes, London-Delhi and Hong Kong-Delhi are originally 
depend on PAN AM's traffic rights.  Also United and Delta have 
a lot of capability to have news routes. For example to Africa.
United has traffic right to Johannesburg via Rio de Janneiro.

I hope I can fly from Tokyo to Delhi by Mileage Plus Award.
Additionaly, I had a trip using United/KLM Round the World Fare.`
In 1987, fare was USD2099 from Seoul(Official price, I got little cheaper).

By the way,

Not only United Airlines will operate Round the World routes.
There have been two French airlines already operating it.
Air France and UTA.

-------------------------------------------------
Air France:

AF060     Paris-San Francisco-Papeete(Tahiti)
AF279     Papeete-Tokyo
AF271/5   Tokyo-Paris

AF272/4/6 Paris-Tokyo
AF280     Tokyo-Papeete
AF063     Papeete-San Francisco-Paris

-------------------------------------------------
UTA:

UT080     Paris-San Francisco-Papeete
UT260     Papeete-Auckland-Noumea(New Caledonia)
UT141/7   Noumea-Sydney-Jakarta-singapore-Paris
UT149     Noumea-Denpasal(Bari)-Sinagapore-Paris

UT144     Paris-Singapore-Denpasal-Noumea
UT146/8   Paris-Singapore-Jakarta-Sydney-Noumea
UT261     Noumea-Auckland-Papeete
UT067     Papeete-Los Angeles-San Francisco-Paris
UT063/081 Papeete-San Francisco-Paris

-------------------------------------------------

UTA's RTW seems very exciting.
Of course AF and UTA offer Round the World Ticket.
Please try and Feel the wind of South Pacific!!
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  _________/ |__--'@/      Dept. of Biophysics & Biochemistry, Univ. of Tokyo
 (__PAN AM/__|__===-~      3-1, Hongo 7-chome, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN 
                           (JALNET: JAL13073, NIFTY-Serve: GFC00670)
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Northwest fare cuts etc.
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:52:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

I have been advised by a rec.travel.air reader that the Northwest discounts
require the use of a coupon that was printed in the paper a day or two ago.
I was also told that United will have coupons in Wednesday's papers.

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ventre@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Giorgio Ventre)
Subject: Info about AIR TAESA
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:29:00 GMT

I would be very grateful if someone could give me some info about
AIR TAESA. It should be an internal airline in Mexico. What kind
of record do they have in terms of safety, reliability, etc. ?

Thanks a lot,


-- Giorgio
=============================================================================
Giorgio Ventre
International Computer Science Institute     Tel:+1 510 642-4274 Ext. 135
1947 Center Street, Suite 600                Fax:+1 510 643-7684
Berkeley, CA 94704                           e-mail: ventre@icsi.Berkeley.edu
=============================================================================


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: It USED to be northworst - now its northbest
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<KMEYER.92Aug25130836@solarium.aero.org>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:16:35 GMT

Kraig> == Kraig R. Meyer <kmeyer@aero.org> 

 Kraig> I have also been very pleased with NW in the last year or so.
 Kraig> They have a better on time record than any of the other major
 Kraig> carriers, and their service has been good as well.  My only
 Kraig> complaint is that they still fly a fair number of DC9's and 727s
 Kraig> on their short hop routes.

Well, some of us consider that a feature.  Unfortunately, IMHO, they're
adding more and more A320s instead; they've already retired all their
727-100s (ah, the old oval center-line duct...)

They have some LOVELY coast-to-coast nonstop 757 flights, though;
BOS-LAX and BOS-SEA, among them...
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
From: grob@opera.chorus.fr (Lori Grob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Oversea flight and assigned seats
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:12:25 GMT
Reply-To: grob@chorus.fr
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, France

In article <1992Aug26.204455.5120@berlioz.nsc.com>, my@laverde.nsc.com (Mike Yip) writes:
%% Hello,
%% 	I would like to know if one can get a confirmed assigned 
%% seat for oversea travel?  Some one told me that I have to get the
%% seat assignment when I get to the airport when i fly.  Is that true?
%% 
%% 
%% ---
%% | Michael Yip			Email: my@berlioz.nsc.com
%% | National Semiconductor Corp	Voice: (408) 721-5148
%% | 
%% | Of course, this is my own opinion!

Like all airline related things, it depends on your airline,
class of ticket and your status with that airline.

Which is to say, some airlines let everyone choose
seats in advance, some let frequent flyers, some 
only people in business class etc.

-- 
L.S. Grob
Chorus syste`mes			phone +33-1-30-64-82-17
6 avenue Gustave Eiffel			fax   +33-1-30-57-00-66	
F78182 Saint Quentin-en-Yvelines	email grob@chorus.fr	
--------
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:06:29 GMT

In <1992Aug31.122557.2839@linus.mitre.org> edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit) writes:

>I believe that your information source is only partially correct.
>It is true that it is illegal to retransmit any private communications
>(radio, telephone, fax).  However, communications between aircraft and air
>traffic controllers are not private radio communications.  Thus, the
>pilot can retransmit the comm over the inflight entertainment system.

Maybe this thread should be moved to alt.radio.scanners, but here's my
$0.02 worth.
Police and fire transmissions are considered `private' in most places, and
therefore cannot be rebroadcasted.  What makes air traffic control any
different?

David Fraser
r
-- 
                       David Fraser | Internet: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca
     University of British Columbia | FidoNet: 1:153/942
                 Vancouver, BC, CDA | CRASNet: 125:200/230
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Oversea flight and assigned seats
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:15:26 GMT
Organization: HP Singapore

In rec.travel.air, reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:

|In article <1992Aug26.204455.5120@berlioz.nsc.com> my@laverde.nsc.com writes:
|>Hello,
|>	I would like to know if one can get a confirmed assigned 
|>seat for oversea travel?  Some one told me that I have to get the
|>seat assignment when I get to the airport when i fly.  Is that true?
|
|You can get a  seat assignment, but  you can't get  your boarding pass
|until you get to the airport.
|					reb

Depending if the flight is a connecting one.  I have received the boarding 
pass for the 2nd leg when I checked in for the first.  At the transit airport,
I didn't have any formalities to go thru, just go head straiht for the gates
when due.

lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ej@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sang-cheul.kong)
Subject: Re: travel agency commission or not?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:18:10 GMT
Summary: They get their commission alright!

In article <1992Sep2.134849.3758@engage.pko.dec.com>, bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
> 
> 
> Re:  the person who made a reservation over the phone direct to 
> an airline then called a travel agent to do the ticketing --
> 
> Does the travel agency get the commission for this transaction?
> I had thought that they do not, and therefore might not be
> interested in performing the service.  Not that there's any
> excuse for telling the customer that they would do it and then
> NOT doing it, but I had always thought it rude to get your
> tickets this way.  After all, the airline will mail you your
> tickets directly, or alternately you can call the travel agent
> first and they will probably be much more likely to print out
> your tickets.  
> 
They sure do get their commission.  They just love people who do that.
There's very little work for them and they still collect their fees.
How do I know for sure?  Travel Avenue will rebate a part of their
commission if you ticket through them even if you make your own
reservations.  AMF, they expect you to do all the leg work, and when
you are good and ready, come to them for ticketing.

	Brian
From: jchu@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Jennifer Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: TICKET FOR SALE: One way Portland OR to Oakland, CA
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.Btx3n9.3Kp
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


I have a one-way ticket from Portland, OR to Oakland, CA
for Friday 9/4.  The departure time is 8:10 pm and arriving
in Oakland at 9:40 pm.  The price will be $100/obo.  If you
are interested, please e-mail to jchu@hpvclchu.vcd.hp.com
or call (206)944-3251 before 6 pm or (206)944-1196 after 6 pm.

JC      
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest cuts fares again, act fast
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:28:21 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <25AUG199212023951@vx.cis.umn.edu> ae02022                          writes:
>In article <17djcvINNpdp@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes...
>>In yesterday's business section of the San Francisco Examiner was a
>>brief article about Northwest Airlines.  They are cutting their fares
>>by $30-50, depending on the price of the original ticket.
>>Ex.:  $290 LAX-NYC fare cut to $230.  The other airlines, as of yesterday,
>>were not sure if they were going to follow.  You must buy the ticket
>>by August 31 and travel by ???.  Call Northwest at (800)-225-2525 for
>>more info or see your travel agent.  I don't have any more info.
>I think those coupons are valid only on flights to Las Vegas or Atlantic City.

No, the coupons are good to anywhere.  They state that  you still need
to stay 2 nights  in LV or AC  (something like that)   if the fare  in
question requires that.
				reb
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: FOR SALE: Continental Gold C coupon
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:23:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University


	Well, I have one Gold C coupon left, and I'd like to sell
	it for $10 (just enough to buy my next coupon book).

	It's good for $25 off any US roundtrip on Continental
	between $150-$200 or $50 off for $201 or more.  
	
	The coupon expires Sept. 30 1992, for travel completed
	before Dec. 31, 1992.  Sat. night stay, min. 7 day 
	advanced purchase, extra restrictions from Hawaii
	travel, not valid for travel originating from Houston.

	Send me mail if you're interested.

	annette
	lagman@cs.colostate.edu


  (I am not affiliated with Gold C in any way, but I'd like to remind all
   you bargain hunters that the new books are coming out any day now.)

	
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: jamesmit@iti.gov.sg (James Mitchell)
Subject: Frequent Flyers
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:36:46 GMT

for travel between Australia, Japan and the US I would suggest joining
the QANTAS FF programme.  After x km you get free flights etc.  I am a
member and they tend to treat you a little better than the average
passenger.  Now my luggage goes first class, pity I'm still back in the
dog box.

I am not too sure whether QF flies from Japan to the US.

James

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| James Mitchell                   | jamesmit@iti.gov.sg       |
| Information Technology Institute | jamesmit@itivax.bitnet    |
| National Computer Board          |                           |
| Singapore                        |  "I hate Quotes" - Anon   |
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: feldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Todd J. Feldman)
Subject: Re: British Airways Theme
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Sep 92 18:32:19 GMT

The British Airways theme is a song called "Aria" arranged and performed by 
Yanni.  It can be found in its entirety on his most recent release, "Dare
to Dream", which should be available at all music stores.

Todd


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: snayar@next3.cs.umr.edu (Sanjay Nayar)
Subject: Air ticket to India
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: snayar@cs.umr.edu
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

Hi!
	I'm looking for some reliable travel agents who can sell me a cheap  
airline ticket to India.  If anyone out there can post a list of phone numbers  
to call or can recommend someone, it would help me out a lot.

Thanks,

Sanjay Nayar
snayar@cs.umr.edu
From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (  )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:19:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University



American Airline One-way ticket from Newark to Phoenix for sale:

						LV	ARR
	Sep 8   Newark - Dallas/Ft.Worth 	18:14   21:04
		DFW - Phoenix			21:57	22:14

Can be changed for $25.

Asking for $30 o.b.o.

The ticket can be sold separately.  Please reply by e-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: powley@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Curt Powley)
Subject: TICKET FOR SALE - Los Angeles <-> Dallas
Originator: powley@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: la
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:42:22 GMT


For Sale: 2 Round-trip tickets, LA-DALLAS, labor-day weekend,
$160 each.

fri
4 sept.
0700---------1200        Delta, both non-stop
LAX          Dallas

mon
7 sept.
0808---------0925
Dallas       LAX

Curt Powley
powley@cs.ucla.edu
(310) 206-3643
(310) 959-1246
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From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 2 Sep 1992 15:02:24 GMT
Organization: Rockwell International


In article <1992Aug31.212304.13521@nsc.nsc.com>, volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.154733.541@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
> >
> >I think that ours is such a big country we sometimes don't realize just
> >how different it is in other countries.  I was shocked at the ammount of
> >poverty in many countries that I have visited.  It is not something we are
> >used to here as what little there is we hide all too well.  We are not 
> Have you ever been in LA, San Francisco or any other major US city for that
> matter and visited other parts than just the typical "tourist stuff"? Then
> you probably wouldn't be shocked at the amount of poverty in other countries
> that much. I for my part was shocked at the amount of poverty in the US, which
> is only surpassed in "third world" countries.
> 
> -- 
> Volker Soffel			National Semiconductor Corporation
> volker@nsc.nsc.com		Embedded Control Division Applications
> (408) 721-4360			Santa Clara, CA95052
Yes I live in the LA area and have traveled to SF, NY and Washington DC.
But those are nothing to compare to India, Nepal, Thailand, the back 
streets of Hong Kong.  

Karen
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