From: lawriew@runx.oz.au (Lawrie Waller)
Subject: Re: A Frame Of 'Palikarya' Mind: Greek Anti-Semitism.
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 01:44:43 GMT

In article <9208160033.A7144BH@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
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Hey I'm going to knock the crap out of my sysadmn-he keeps putting all
this bulls**t under soc.culture.australian which it obviously is NOT.
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>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
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>> And let me say your are an asshole.
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>This is a frame of 'palikarya' mind.
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>>>[20] Yoannina Vasdraveli, Ee Thessaloniki: Kata Ton Agona Tis Aneksantizias
>>>    (Salonica, 1946), pp.19-35; Yitzchak Kerem, An Outline of the History
>>>    of Jews of Selonica (in Hebrew) (Museum of Kibbutz Lahoma, Getaot, 1985),
>>>    p.21, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.15.
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>> Speek also Greek creep?
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>There is no such word. Use 'tamtam.'
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>Source: Stanford J. Shaw (Professor of Turkish History, University of 
>        California Los Angeles),  'Christian Anti Semitism in the 
>        Ottoman Empire,' Belleten, C. LIV, 68 (1991).
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>  page 1075:
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>  <<Stimulating and exacerbating these long-held religious passions
>  and economic motives were the Crusades, particularly in the twelfth
>  and thirteenth centuries [6]. On November 27, 1095 Pope Urban II went
>  to Clermont-Ferrand in Southern France and delivered a speech which
>  started almost half a millenium of Crusades against the 'infidel' Muslims.
>  With great emotion, he said the Christians of the East, and particularly
>  in the Holy Land, were suffering at the hands of the Muslims, formerly
>  the Arabs and now the advancing Turks. He said that Jerusalem already
>  had been profaned by the anti-Christians and that Christian Constantinople
>  now was under threat, and he appealed to all of Christian Europe to send
>  off armies to save Byzantium and rescue the Holy Land from the unbelievers,
>  offering remission from all sins, past and future, for those who shared
>  in this endeavor. All of Christian Europe was stirred to frenzy by
>  religious and political leaders who spread the idea of freeing the Holy
>  Land and Byzantium from the infidel Muslims, though again, as with the
>  blood-libel and desecration of host accusations, economic motives were
>  probably as important as religious ones, at least for many of the leaders.
>  There was no particular reason that these Crusades should have effected
>  the Jews, but they did because of the passions involved. Those Christians
>  who were stirred to believe that the Muslims were the embodiment of all
>  evil soon found it convenient to include the Jews who were prospering
>  in the Muslim lands and therefore supporting the Muslims against the
>  Crusader attacks in fear of renewed spread of anti-Semitism into the
>  Middle East, and who were in any case considered just as bad as the
>  Muslims [7]. People who felt that they were servants of God, with all
>  sins forgiven in advance for what they were going to do in the Holy Land,
>  were in no way inhibited from plundering the Jews as they went along,
>  particularly when the monks who accompanied them suggested that it would
>  add to their favor with God if they forced the Jews they found to convert
>  to Christianity as well. So as the  Crusaders marched along from England
>  and France through Germany and Austria toward the Islamic Middle East,
>  they sacked and often destroyed Jewish communities found along their paths
>  massacring many as they went in Germany and Bohemia in particular.
>
>  When one group of Crusaders led by Emmerich Count of Leinigen, reached
>  Worms they demanded ransom from its Jews, who paid. But soon afterwards
>  he sent his men to break into their houses, slaughtering the men and
>  children and raping the women, with many committing suicide to save
>  themselves. Many Jews were burned alive in their synagogues. After
>  seven days of this, the Jews who survived were offered the opportunity
>  to baptism and convert to Christianity with the alternative of being
>  turned over to the crowd to be torn apart. They were given time to think
>  about it in the local synagogue, but when no answer came, the mob broke in
>  and found all the Jews had committed suicide. The same thing happened as the
>  Crusade went on to Mainz and Cologne, and throughout the Rhineland.>>
>
>[6] A. Neubauer and M. Stern, Hebraische Berichte uber die Judenverfolgungen
>    wahrend der Kreuzzuge (Berlin, 1892), and review by Charles Porges,
>    'Les Relations Hebraiques des Persecutions des Juifs pendant la Premiere
>    Croisade', Revue des Etudes Juives XXV (1892), 181-201, XXVI (1893),
>    183-197.
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>[7] The situation of Jews in Europe during the Crusades is described in
>    'Crusades', EJ V, 1135-1140. Bernard Lewis, Semites and anti-Semites:
>    An Inquiry into Conflict and Prejudice (New York and London, Norton,
>    1986), 101. 'France', EJ VII, 13. 'Anti-Semitism', EJ III (Jerusalem,
>    1972), 102. 'Germany', EJ VI, 462-463.
>    [EJ = Encyclopedia Judaica (17 Volumes and supplements, Jerusalem, 1972).]
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
>
>


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