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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Converting NB3 keyboard table
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James Woolley writes:

> Is there any systematic way to convert a NB 3.0 keyboard
> table (customized) for use in NB4, or is a hand-editing job?

NB4 includes a menu-driven utility to automate keyboard customization.
I don't think you can import NB 3.0 keyboard tables automatically, but
the process of reproducing the desired settings should be less painful
than it was previously.  I can't report for certain because I've left
the key assignments alone...

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Subject: IBID+/-
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I was one of the original IBID. orderers but I never got hooked on it. It
seemed to cause so many problems to SLS and everything else. Everytime I called
Dragonfly (the old days), they would say, "Do you have IBID?" And then, "Oh
that explains it; let us send you a update disk." I have so many IBID fixes and
updates that I found it easier when I had to reinstall NB and SLS once to NOT
reinstall Ibid. People here seem to speak so highly of it that I have to
reconsider. Have they every fixed it so that it can drop a reference into a
footnote to be formatted according to your footnote deltas? That's what I was
waiting for? Do people in like fields ever share bibliographies? Are there,
e.g. people in Old Testament/Hebrew Bible who share diskettes like baseball
cards? Should I come back to the IBID. fold (just in time to experience a whole
new series of obstacles with NB4 Lingua?)
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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Regarding John Koontz' (I think) reply to my counter problem:

The first C1 produces 2.
The first C2 produces 2.1
 "    "   C3    "     2.1.1
 "  second C2   "     2.2
 "    "    C3   "     2.2.1
The   "    C1   "     2.
etc.

All of these are correct on the screen, but go bad in the printout.

I should note that I have designated PT's based on final printout to a
PostScript printer but am currently printing to my Roland Raven PR-2417
(identical to Panasonic 1124) dot matrix.   I will try the first page
on the PostScript on Tuesday.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:12:39 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB 4.0 video
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Tom Dolan writes:

> I loaded NB 4.0 as instructed - everything seemed to go smooth - I loaded
> Orbis and Lingua also from the disk provided.  When I enter NB at the Dos
> prompt the screen goes to the correct default colors (Gold on Purple) but
> the characters are unreadable  - There are just a bunch of colored dots on
> a purple background.  I can type QUIT<Enter> and get out of the program but
> I can't read anything I type.  This is very frustrating to a non-technical
> user who is hoping NB 4.0 will solve some problems printing greek and
> hebrew in documents.  My view of NB isn't looking good when a simple
> install doesn't work.
>
> Help please.

You don't give us any details about the nature of your system, either
hardware or software, so it is difficult to say what your problem
might be.  On some systems there is a hardware compatibility problem
with the way that NB manages screen fonts 2O, and this may be the case
in your instance.  If this is indeed your problem, loading NB with the
/B switch might help.  Try using this form of the command to start NB:

NB /B

and see if you get better results.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 23:11:15 EDT
From:         "Robert W. Binkley" <rbinkley@UWOVAX.UWO.CA>
Subject:      Mennonite beards
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What's all this about Mennonite beards? Out here in the boondocks we
don't understand things like that. Around here Mennonite beards are
only found on Mennonites who, as far as I know, don't even use
fountain pens, let alone computers.
Also, out here, nary a one of us has caught a gimpse of NB 4.0. We
wonder if we ever will. But our faith is strong.
     Robert W. Binkley: Department of Philosophy (rbinkley@uwovax.uwo.ca)
     University of Western Ontario: London, Ont. N6A 3K7, CANADA
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:42:19 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: page length, orphans and foot notes
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Harry Falk writes:

> this may sound like a FAQ, and maybe it is, but I could not trace
> help in the NB archives at taunivm, although related questions turned up.
> I want to print with HP IIp and I consider a consistent page length more
> important than any lead-letters-ideologyorphans or widows. So, instead
> of the 3 values for page length there is only one at the top of the file:
> PL 63. This works fine, with lots of hairraising orphans and other
> monsters. When the first footnote comes everything stays fine. But all
> succeeding pages, without footnotes, behave as if there were a footnote,
> i.e. they become shorter.
> HELP, urgently needed...

I'm not sure whether this will work, but you might try it.  All three
values in the PL delta are used by the program in determining page
length.  That doesn't mean they must all be different!  The manual
advises simply making them all identical if one wants to create a
fixed page length without widows and orphans adjustment.  Thus in your
case use PL 63,63,63 and turn widow/orphan control off to avoid extra
processing loops (i.e., set WD 0 and OP 0).

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:33:04 EDT
From:         "Tony St.Quintin" <100034.756@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      SLS to Lingua conversion
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Conversion of Biblia Hebraica Stutgartiensis from SLS format (obtained
using David Rensberger's excellent shareware) to Lingua format takes
about 32 minutes on a 386 at 20 MHz - compared with 55 minutes for the
CCAT/SLS conversion.

No problems!

I hope this is of use to those worried about similar conversions.

Tony.

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From:         "James Woolley,
              Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFVAX.LAFAYETTE.EDU>
Subject:      Color choices, NB4
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The color selection menu invisibly shells out, I gather, to
an external program, so that during the selection process
it is using the keyboard as defined *outside* NB. This may lead
to unexpected results if you have customized your keyboard in
any way. For instance, the color-selection program requires
you to press F5 to save your choices. My autoexec.bat types
ANSI escape sequences to redefine some function keys, among them
F5. The only way I've found to undo this definition is to
reboot without the key-defining line in autoexec.bat (that is,
typing another ANSI string redefining F5 to null ("") doesn't
do the trick.

So much for anecdotes; now a question:

What I'd like to do is have a black background with normal text
and underscored text the same color on my VGA display. (The
underscoring would be distinguished from normal text simply by
the actual underscoring, not by color). So far, I can't see how
to get normal and underscoring to use the same color--or how to
make the normal background be black, though it is not hard to
achieve this result in NB3.

Similarly, I would prefer to have the ruler line and the command
line be the same color, but the color selection program resists that as
well. (As may be surmised, I was not unhappy with a monochrome
display!).

Any suggestions?

James Woolley, Lafayette College
woolleyj@lafvax.lafayette.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:58:20 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
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On Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:30:00 CST <JEARLS%TINY@MSUS1> said:
>
>Could someone out there send me full command to Listserv for temporarily
>stopping mail to my address?  In my Beginner's Guide, I have NOMAIL/MAIL
>noted for purposes of temporary stoppage, unstoppage; however, however I
>send NOMAIL, I get no results.
>
>J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN
>                                         56321 / JEARLS%TINY@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU

The command is:

SET NOTABENE NOMAIL

If you can use TELL, you can do that interactively (by typing
the message TELL LISTSERV AT TAUNIVM SET NOTABENE NOMAIL).
Otherwise, you send MAIL to the listserv (@taunivm, or @vm.tau.ac.il)
with a the text of the above command as it only line.

This will not work, naturally, if you send this command not from
the address you used when you subscribed notabene.

It may take a certain time before the command becomes effective
(it cannot intercept mail altready sent to you). But in case
you get a confirmation message but continue to receive mail, please
drop a line to our mailer A79@taunivm (David Sitman). I
have sent the command for you though I naturally would prefer
not to be dragged into this administrativia if it can be
handled by machines.

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:19:38 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ibid and NB4


> This is a plaintive cry for help (something seemed to go wrong with the
> first one). Could someone/anyone please tell me how to install Ibid
> Level 1 and Ibid Level1.1 Update in NB4? Installing from disk doesnt
> work, nor does simply copying the Ibid files from NB3.1 to NB4. NB4 isnt
> very useful to me if I cannot use Ibid with it.

As Tony St.Quintin has stated, the package for Ibid owners WILL
include a disk to install the current version (1.1) of Ibid with NB4.
The 2.0 upgrade is a thing of the future, but a version of Ibid 1.1
that works with NB4.0 IS available. The same is true of Ibid Plus.

What I don't know is whether you have to have ordered the 2.0 upgrade
in the "subscription" deal to get this (and the later upgrade to
Ibid 2.0), or whether just being a current Ibid 1.1 owner upgrading
to NB4.0 will get you the necessary disk, without claim to the upgrade.
I would hope the latter is true! However, perhaps a New Yorker can
call NBI and confirm this.

As I'm expecting "the Works" package, I still haven't seen the release
version of NB4/Lingua/Orbis/Ibid/Plus in my mailbox. Perhaps I fall
into category 168, by Tony's accounting. Or maybe it's just that
Indiana is the last stop on the mail carrier's rounds...

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:12:24 CST
From:         GA3662@SIUCVMB
Subject:      Ibid +/-
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Let me second Michael Dick's question about Ibid.  It is indeed a pain
to get it working right.  And then, the canned bibliography is enourmous,
and I never seemed to be able to cut it down to size, or to figure out a
way to start my own without having to retype in the hundred or so entries
that I added that I really use.  I followed the procedures that they
prescribed for tailoring the supplied bibliography, but deleting over
three thousand entries seemed an enormous amount of work.  I once got as
far as deleting about a third of them, but then it wouldn't store properly,
and about a year ago I just gave up.
This leads me to a further question.  The last time I reinstalled NB 3.1,
including Ibid, something happened to the printer installation program.
So now I can't switch primary printers.  When I attempt to so so, the
program makes machine-gun beeps and locks up.  If I'm lucky I can get
its attention, but usually the BIG RED BUTTON is needed.  I really don't
want to reinstall 3.1 again, especially as there seems to be a chance that
4.0 is on the way (although we haven't seen it yet here in Southern
Illinois).  On the other hand, given the reception NB4/Lingua is getting,
I'm not entirely sure I'll bother.  I'm certainly not erasing my NB 3 files
yet.
    Geoff Nathan <ga3662@siucvmb.siu.edu>
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 92 10:08:58 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB 4.0
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David Hesla writes (among other things):

> ... I think with affection on S.
> Siebert's Mennonite beard and Deborah's grace, and shall try to remain patient
> in these my latter days.

Alas, to add insult to injury I must report that Steve has shaved off
his beard.  Do you think that is a sign that he has fulfilled a vow?

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:49:09 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: "non-displayable ascii" aka e-o-f; thanks
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1. No need to convert Israeli NB 3.0 to NB 3.1: the
only differences are a few print modes, reported in
SHAPIRIT.MSM, in NBshaprt.zip.

2. As for converting from 3.0 or 31. to 4.0: none of
us here has received 4.0; but with the beta version
I got back in February, you must use the ca/h command,
which works most of the time. Otherwise, you must
enter in 3.0 or 3.1, in the expanded mode, <la4><lr0>
at the top of the file, and save it under a different name.
Then call it in NB 4.0. There are problems, however, with
the transitions between Hebrew and Roman, since all
modes have been unified. So each MDHN becomes MDNM,
and each MDNM remains MDNM. The first should be replaced
by LA$, and the latter by LA1. I began to write some convertion
routines in XPL, but then I thought I better wait and
see what happens with the final version.

In addition, ISRAEL.KBD in NB-LNG01.ZIP would be easier to
work for Israelis; also, I have put the vocalization functions
the RIGHT SHIFT, while the lest shift works as usual.
So vocalizing becomes an easy matter. Letters with dagesh
would be produced by either shift (left or right).
Shaul Shaked would certainly prfer my screen fonts to the
unbelievably unprofessional amateurish drawings by NBI.
They are also available from the archive mentioned above.

Itamar E-Z
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Continuing the "first hands on" NB4.0 story, I have a few further queries
about others' experiences:

(a) Erratic production of "open new window or abandon": Despite my explicit
instruction (in the Settings) to open a new window --always-- when requested,
it sometimes does, and sometimes does not. I have not yet found when it
refuses to do so. I checked NBCUSTOM.SET, which correctly gives NW=1 or
NW=2, depending on whether you want a window closed after abandoning it.
What could influence that particular setting? A bug?

(b) Another thing I can't get off: I do not want hyphenation ON (e.g.
when writing in other languages than English, the dictionary does not
help to hyphen automatically). So, I turned hyphenation OFF, and indeed
NBCUSTOM.SET correctly says HY=0. Fine. So, as expected, the *screen*
doesn't hyphenate anymore, but alas, not so in *printing*. I checked
the (adapted) printer driver, and see no special HY setting, so I add
that (no protests during loading) but that doesn't work either. In
review, the hyphen is there, nicely put between two MDNM's (which
indeed seem to be everywhere in this review file (see expanded mode)
--as Michael J writes: they seem to multiply like rabbits. Question:
How can I get truly rid of hyphens I don't want, also while printing?
(By the way, I also tried to add LDDICT in the startup file, which is
what I had to do in NB3 to set hyphen off). Mysteries.

The slow/fast effects of NB4 are suddenly disappeared. Strange. NB4
occasionally seems to run slower, sometimes faster (checked that
by automatically writing a file of 500 sentences with an XPL program:
sometimes writing slows down... Why?).

In sum, NB 4.0 is getting dear to me: It is like a person, full of
quirks, moods and unexpected behavior. Does not feel like a program
at all, or rather, it feels like a generation 6 program: just like
a human being. Maybe it (she?) is really thinking behind that enticing
dark blue screen?

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl

For NB messages: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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From:         "A. Davies" <davies@LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Ibid and NB4
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iThis is a plaintive cry for help. Could someone/anyone please tell me how
to install Ibid Level 1 and Ibid Level 1.1 Update in NB4. Install from
disk doesnt work, nor does simply copying the Ibid files from NB 3.1 to NB4.
As someone else remarked: I dont want NB4 without Ibid
i
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:27:01 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      Mennonite beards
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Late comments on Mennonites, Amish, beards, and yes, Miss Indiana:

- The Amish and the Mennonites split in the late 17th century not over
pietism and mysticism but over how strictly to apply "the ban" (excommu-
nication) in order maintain their sociological boundaries.

- When revivalism was making inroads into the Mennonite community in the
mid-1800s, some groups rejected it as prideful, modernizing, etc., and they
more or less froze their lifestyles at that point.  Thus, they are easily
confused with Amish.  But they don't wear beards.

- Many Mennonites continued (continue) on acculturating yet resisting
too much acculturation, into the 20th century.  Some have attempted to maintain
distinctive dress, but are not so distinctive as Amish.  Many of the rest
of us, for better or for worse, do not look much different than people in
mainstream culture (but sometimes get nostalgic and grow oldie-timie beards;
perhaps this included Siebert).

- Confusing all these groups is an easy mistake because by definition, we
Mennonites who are less distinct are not so obviously Mennonites, and all the
obvious ones get their own kind of un-sought-for attention.

- Alas, an example springs to mind.  The currently reigning (not a very
Mennonite thing to do) Miss Indiana is one Miss Yoder.  If my memory serves
me, she is a member in good standing in a Mennonite congregation.  I sigh, but
Menno Simons might moan.  But then, some of the rest of us may simply be
acculturating in classier ways -- writing computer programs in NYC and
studying theology with Catholics at Notre Dame.  So it goes.

BTW, I sport a mustache.  My grandparents still associated this with militarism
and soldiering.  So it goes, the way of all the earth, modernity.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:21:49 BST
From:         Tony Hirtenstein <tonyh@IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      1) NB list; 2) PDP 25in1 Deskjet 500 cartridge
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        What is wrong with this list?  I subscribed in 1990, but
since the 25th August have received no mail whatever.  Mail to the
TAUNIVM Postmaster has had no reply.  Do I have to re-subscribe?

        Changing the subject, Pacific Data Products have sent me a
list of width tables for the 25in1 Deskjet 500 cartridge.  Is anyone
interested in helping to construct a NB printer driver from this
data?  What changes are needed to make a printer driver for version
4 [not seen here in the UK YET]?
--
**************** Tony Hirtenstein ********************
tonyh@ibmpcug.co.uk ************* West Oxfordshire ***
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