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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:55:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug21.025546.29375
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Aug21.022459.11564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>>Jesus Saves
>
>Gretzgy Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!

 Jesus saves but Moses invests...

Wassail,
Grendel

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: xians here
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:34:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <56797@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
{a whole bunch of nifty discordian negations}

>>					Boggles the mind,
>
>	It might only boggle this person's mind.
>	Or it might boggle mine.  i am not sure.
>
>>						Raymond H. Rich
>>
>>Pass the Kool-Aid, Reverend Jim!
>	
>	Don't.  I spiked it.  300 mikes.  Pay me and you can have a drink.
>
>		HONEST! I really mean all this.  Monkeys really MIGHT fly out 
>my butt.  
>	Consider.  Eris could have started the universe 8 minutes ago, complete
>with history, memories, and all the rest.  If she exists, that is.
>	Which she might.
>	Although it woud be more likely to have been 5.
>
>	If, however, the xtian beliefs are all true:
>		1) I want to see them figure THAT out.  That is, if they
>are ALL true.
>		2) I really hope they aren't, because if they are i am 
>going to be burned for eternity by an asshole of a all-powerful deity.  Just
>because i had the audacity to say "why" and "what if?"
>
>	Luckily, the chances don't seem any higher than the other ideas.  And
>there are a LOT of other ideas.  Most of the others do not have GOD figures
>that will be nasty to me for allowing myself to be me.
>

Thanks for dispelling the CURSE OF GREYFACE {gobbelgobblegobblegobble}.
(for those who know not of the curse of greyface I say; FNORD!)

My hovercraft is full of eels

-Scott (official POPE of the Daniel Shay Kabal; defender of discord; 
member of the Bavarian Motorcycle Conspiracy and official citizen of
Chicopee Massachusetts)
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Lavey et al
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:40:35 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA

In article <1992Aug18.041451.1323@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
}Now, why would you post an article in a Satanists' newsgroup
}asking for books "debunking" Satanism? That's pretty dumb.

To make a wild guess, it is better to ask questions of those who claim to know
than those who don't care.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Laveyians
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:57:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug15.033743.13166@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>Let me bounce an idea off ya.
>Instead of satanists how about Laveyians??

Gee Bri- I thought it was you who was concerned with PC doublespeak; this is
MUCH less offensive to those poor xtians. We wouldn't want to OFFEND or SCARE
anybody now....

-Scott
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:22:44 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <1992Aug13.143103.386@cine88.cineca.it> petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it (Petruz Boonenkamp) writes:

>But then, killing and eating the animal is to limit its freedom to live!
>Why should the animal's sexual freedom be more important than its freedom
>to live?  Or is satanism only compatible with vegetarianism?-)


About half of the Satanists I know are vegetarians.

We think that killing a non-human animal is permissable in two 
situations:  when one attacks you (because self-preservation
is the highest law), and for food (part of the natural order
and continues the life cycle).
 
-R

-- 
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|==============================================================|
| ******************* Marrou / Lord in 1992 ****************** | 
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:09:13 -0400 
From: Raymond Craig Feeck <rf1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Subject?
	<21AUG199214024211@rosie.uh.edu>

It's been interesting to watch the responses to Chris Colvin's little
post which read simply "Jesus Saves".

I must admit, I've been rather dissappointed with the replies that it
has gotten.  The little pun jokes are really very old and not the least
bit funny.  Some, don't even make sense (i.e. having the Lakers fast
break after Jesus saves is silly.  You can save in baseball and hockey,
but not basketball!!)  What really dissapoints me, however, is that all
you can do is ridicule the statement.  But, is the statement true?  To
make an impact, you should attack the validity of the statement.  

One thing that I wish to know about satanism, or at least by those who
practice it, is whether or not you have found the truth.  You see, the
fellow who posted that Jesus saves, believes he has found the truth.  In
fact, the Bible records Jesus as saying that he is THE truth.  The end
all of exisitence. The reason for being.  Does anything in Satanism
offer the answer to life, the universe and everything? (Anybody who
posts 42 will be shot on sight).  

A question you must ask yourself, is why do I believe what I believe. 
Do I believe what I do because it feels good, or do I believe something
because I'm convinced its true?  This question isn't trivial. 

I have spent a lot of time arguing with Christians, and on this point, I
believe that have got something right.  We need to believe that which
has the most evidence for being true.  

Just some thoughts

Craig
From: ash@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (David Ash)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Test
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: David Ash <ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Distribution: usa

test, only a test...
-d
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From: bz498@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Henry C Kessler III)
Subject: Re: FAQ file available?
Reply-To: bz498@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Henry C Kessler III)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:53:45 GMT


In a previous article, timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart) says:

>In article <1992Aug7.024723.5852@uc.msc.edu> eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) writes:
>>
>>
>>Is there a FAQ file available?
>
>No.
>
>>It it possible to get a second mortgage on one's soul?
>
>No.
>
>>There is a company in germany called Hell, is it possible to reach the
>>bad guy himself by writing them?
>
>Again, no, sorry.
>

Query, will there be a FAQ available ever?  I would be interested in
reading it before I contribute anything to the newsgroup.
Thanks

-- 
Henry C Kessler III                |  Where's my hat?
bz498@cleveland.freenet.edu        |  --Fizban the Fabulous
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Spelling errrors due to a gremlin living in my computer!!!!!
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Laveyians
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:16:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug15.033743.13166@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>Let me bounce an idea off ya.
>Instead of satanists how about Laveyians??

	Stupid.  LaVey is a writer, Satan is an archetype.
	We don't "worship" a fiction, but we do try to emulate it.

>The common useage of Satanist, right or wrong
>is those who worship Satan [As far as I can see]

	Which is exactly how it should remain, since, until people get that 
straight, we don't particularly WANT them interested in it, plus, those who
do the "backwards music kill-a-cat- thing in the basement of an abandoned
ovaltine factory" provide a buffer against the stupid.

>It seems you define your beliefs with Laveys
>book, in much the same way there are marxists
>and Ayn randians, why not Laveyians.
>It's dosent mean that you agree 100% with the guy
>or he is a guru but I think it would be more accuate
>IMHO.

	No, LaVey was just one of the first people to write down ideas that 
agree with the common "satanic" concept and to call it "satanism" at the
same time.  Satanism is NOT the antithesis of xtianity, because opposites are
far too often similar.  Rather, say, it is simply COMPLETELY different in basis
and conception.  There are also "buddhists" who far too often _worship_ buddha.
I don't think the concept of that is a very happy thought to most satanists.
If the rest of the world doesn't like or understand the meaning of the term
"satanist" then they can, quite simply, fuck off, no asterisks.

>
>Well???
>I think I am missing a , . and '
>and one spelling mistake make that 2 '
>and a few capital letters..
>Gee even better.

	Why don't you just edit these things out before closing the editor, 
rather than telling everyone about it?

>
>I FLEX blah blah blah

	SUGGESTION: find a less stupid close.  Flexing in anyone's general 
direction only makes them think they have a big, stupid, gold's gym regular
trying to post intelligent things in alt.satanism and failing miserably.  At
least make it look like you are someone with some brains trying to post some-
thing intelligent in alt.satanism and failing miserably.

>VOLCANO
>
>what do ya think about this one.
>May your good jib draw
>Volcano
>well??

	You are a masochist, if you like to post stuff like this.  A masochist
for verbal abuse.  I find it amusing to appease you.


				DODGER
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Laveyians
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:37:43 GMT

Let me bounce an idea off ya.
Instead of satanists how about Laveyians??
The common useage of Satanist, right or wrong
is those who worship Satan [As far as I can see]
It seems you define your beliefs with Laveys
book, in much the same way there are marxists
and Ayn randians, why not Laveyians.
It's dosent mean that you agree 100% with the guy
or he is a guru but I think it would be more accuate
IMHO.

Well???
I think I am missing a , . and '
and one spelling mistake make that 2 '
and a few capital letters..
Gee even better.

I FLEX blah blah blah
VOLCANO

what do ya think about this one.
May your good jib draw
Volcano
well??

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: Laveyians
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:23:37 GMT

In article <57154@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.033743.13166@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>
>	Which is exactly how it should remain, since, until people get that 
>straight, we don't particularly WANT them interested in it, plus, those who
>do the "backwards music kill-a-cat- thing in the basement of an abandoned
>ovaltine factory" provide a buffer against the stupid.

Now there is an intresting thought..
>
>"satanist" then they can, quite simply, fuck off, no asterisks.

Arn't those *** FUCK*NG stupid..
>
>>
>>Well???
>>I think I am missing a , . and '
>>and one spelling mistake make that 2 '
>>and a few capital letters..
>>Gee even better.
>
>	Why don't you just edit these things out before closing the editor, 
>rather than telling everyone about it?

Because my editor was written by satan, and he hates me very very much.
It's sooo much easier to let it slide, I am not going to spend
10 minutues correcting something like this. Also it [I guess
] has become a running thing to slam me for my spelling and grammer.
Everyone from Homosexuals to Martial artist to satanists are doing it.
:(
>
>>
>>I FLEX blah blah blah
>
>	SUGGESTION: find a less stupid close.  Flexing in anyone's general 
>direction only makes them think they have a big, stupid, gold's gym regular
>trying to post intelligent things in alt.satanism and failing miserably.  At
>least make it look like you are someone with some brains trying to post some-
>thing intelligent in alt.satanism and failing miserably.

The below would indicate that I am trying to find one.
BTW I am big [fat] am not stupid [GMAT of 670] and work out at home.
Neet flame though, mind if I use it, should I come across a
situation like this...
>
>>VOLCANO
>>
>>what do ya think about this one.
>>May your good jib draw
>>Volcano
>>well??
>
>	You are a masochist, if you like to post stuff like this.  A masochist
>for verbal abuse.  I find it amusing to appease you.
I assume you are refering to my sig test.
May your good job draw is an old Newfoundland saying. 
I believe it has something to do with sailing.
It is basiclly a wish of good luck. Quite different from the other one.
[BTW I am a pacifist in reality, wouldn't hurt a fly, my Flax sig
is intended as a joke [I FLEX IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION] there are too 
many explainations as to why it's funny, context gets shot to hell in posts.
I was thinking about changing the sig because I don't want to explain it.
[It could be worse, VOLCANO BURIES ALL is another sig of mine.
Get it  Volcano.. buries all.. HAHHAa]

I DO SOMETHING IN A DIRECTION!!!! :)
>
>

Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,talk.religion.
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Subject?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:46:24 GMT

In article <gy_nf+r@lynx.unm.edu> jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth) write
:
>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (
hris Colvin) writes:
>>Jesus Saves

>Only in S & L 's.
>
"In God we trust, all others fill out form 32A,B,C, 64D, send us a card
stating your full name, date of birth, social security number, bra size..."

Big Al.  Old Joke:  "In God we trust, all other's pay cash."


Newsgroups: alt.satanism,bit.listserv.fnord-l
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: FAQ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:02:59 GMT


 Is there a satanism or Church of Satan FAQ on-line? If not, is
anyone working on one?
 
   
    Lux,

     Dana
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Subject: Re: Subject?
From: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'the Bard' Hobbs)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:37:31 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com>, safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>Jesus Saves

...but Gretsky gets the rebound! He shoots! He SCORES!!!! :-)

Seriously, Chris, you are an obnoxious, arrogant fool who has somehow it into
his 3-inch thick skull that the Usenet community gives a pair of fetid dingo
kidneys about his particular brand of monotheistic hocus-pocus. You're wrong. 
Go away quickly.

anthony the annoyed
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OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of Frozen Yoghurt - romantic poet - 
synth player extraordinaire - kate bush is goddess - hail Eris - praise "Bob"!
DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and was not head of the Securitate for 15 years.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: satanism and the killing of animals
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:18:07 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <1992Aug14.235831.388@cine88.cineca.it> petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it (Petruz Boonenkamp) writes:

>Reuben Radding writes:

>>We think that killing a non-human animal is permissable in two 
>>situations:  when one attacks you (because self-preservation
>>is the highest law), and for food (part of the natural order
>>and continues the life cycle).

>Do you mean ONLY in these two situations?  REALLY?  So one who
>likes to wear leather or furs (unless sie limits hirself to
>leather or furs of animals who're killed for food) is violating
>satanism's morality?  My gosh what a PURITAN religion -- I'd
>better get back to something that leaves me more free choice
>in my leatherwear I guess!

Did you go out and kill the animals your leathers are made from?!
I doubt it. I wear leather too, but I don't kill animals to get 
the hide.

 
-- 
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|  Reuben Radding         rdr@panix.com       cmcl2!panix!rdr  |
|==============================================================|
| ******************* Marrou / Lord in 1992 ****************** |
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Lavey et al
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:46:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <714058570.610000.D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU> D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby) writes:
>
>
>  I remember hearing some place that LaVey began his shtick doing
>'satanic' strip shows. Heh... I've heard he's always been quite
>the show man. Did he do the stripping or just organize them?
>It's no surprise really, the whole Satanism thing, considering one
>of his heroes is P.T. Barnum. He has to be sitting in his home
>in SF (or wherever) and laughing heartily. I haven't read the
>Satanic Bible myself, but have heard it's laughable. With things
>like the 'Invocation to Lust,' which I've heard is ridiculous.
>Maybe LaVey fancies himself the new P.T. Barnum. LaVey must love
>L. Ron Hubbard. I'll pick up a used copy of the Satanic Bible myself
>and check it out for myself sometime. I certainly wouldn't buy it
>new and add to LaVey's fortune. Maybe that's the high teaching
>of satanism that only LaVey himself knows, "There's a sucker born
>every minute," although I've heard satanists using that quote.
>So there are nested levels of knowledge perhaps. Perhaps... It's
>fun to speculate. I find all of this terribly amusing. 
>
	I'm almost certain that you are mistaken.  LaVey didn't organize
the strip shows.  He was an organist and played pipe organ for a church
and a carnival (thus, the strip shows).  His argument was that he often
saw the same people at both places.  They would lust after the dancing
girls, then confess and be cleansed, then lust again.  He found this 
cycle disgusting.
	I've found most religious ritual ridiculous.  I like that the
Satanic Bible doesn't make it a requirement.  It is up to the Satanist
whether he enjoys ritual or not.

>  Where can I learn more about it? I'd like to read some books
>debunking satanists (not written by Christians please...) and
>books by 'true believers.' Can anyone recommend some?

	What's to debunk?  There's no mumbo jumbo in Satanism, like in
xianity.
	BTW, I recommend the comic book series V for Vendetta by Alan Moore
in which the hero, Villain, confronts a child-molesting priest.  He dips a
communion wafer in poison and then asks the priest if the transubstantiation
ritual really changes the wafer into the body of christ.  The priest faith-
fully responds in the affirmative.  Villain makes him perform the ritual,
hiding the wafer behind him and then shoves it into the priests mouth after
the ritual is completed.  Predictably, the priest dies.       
	While far from factual, I thought it was interesting.

>
>     Lux,
>
>       Dana

				Electrolux,
					Raymond H. Rich
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Satan - He's so misunderstood
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:55:57 BST
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Well , I feel that Satan has been getting a lot of bad press recently . Well ,
I mean , he may be the master of the dark dimension and all , but does thi make
him a BAD person ? No . Of course not . The way I see it , heaven is for all
the good people who like doing good things . And so hell is for the rest of us
. And I sure know where I'm going . Can you imagine being stuck in heaven with
all those bloody social cripples of christians ? It would be hellish(?) . So I
guess I'll just go to hell and enjoy doing all those bad things .  
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From: orac@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Giovacchini)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:55:10 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:

>Jesus Saves

	I hope he does!!!  With all the money being collected in his
 name, he has to save for his Medicare deductable!!!!!

 ================================== 
         Paul J. Giovacchini        | Experience is that marvelous thing that 
      ( orac@chinet.chi.il.us )     | enables you to recognize a mistake when
       In the year XXVII A.S.       | you make it again.  -F. P. Jones
 ===================================
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:31:29 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>Jesus Saves


And Satan Spends.

Or

Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes :-)
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