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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:52:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Crackdown on MBU

Megabuds,

Now is the time for my annual "MBU is a MESS" message.
Russell Hunt and Joel Nydahl are right; it is just terrible
that so much personal, off-the-subject, chatter occurs on
this list.  I mean this personally: nobody's teeth have
ground down further than mine because of the last three
years of MBU.

BUT, I'll sacrifice what's left of my teeth before I make
anybody on this list worry about saying what he or she feels
like saying. Maybe it's just my personal weakness.  I enjoy
hearing about births and heavy snowfalls and the two or
three hundred people who can't seem to get through to Steve
North (I think he's at some obscure university in the northeast).
MBU began as quips and chatter and the freedom to be stupid
nationally.  I have this enduring belief that computers and
networks mean freedom, in spite of intelligent arguments to
the contrary, and so in this one little corner of the world
where I can call myself "boss" (if only in the mirror), I
would like to declare that, as always, on MBU anything goes.

However, I do hope that what Russell and Joel said might
possibly impress some people every so slightly to think
about going the personal route rather than posting to the
list.  But, on the other hand, if it's not clearly personal,
then send it to MBU.  Somebody somewhere's going to groove
on it, and that seems good enough to me.  Like they say
about pornography on TV, "you can always turn the channel."
(Yeah, but who really CAN?)

If what MBU was doing didn't make people happy, it wouldn't
succeed.  But it continues as a strange attractor, pulling
in a wide (and often odd) variety of people who seem to like
what is going on.  I would say at this point that if
somebody wants to say something to MBU, then they should
just do it.  In so doing, of course, they just might destroy
their career and . . . .oh, what the heck.  MBU is (or
should be) non-judgemental (did I mispell that word?) (did I
misspell mispell?)  Fred Kemp, the presumed listowner of MBU
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:49:40 -0800
From:         leslieh@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Job opening: Position description

Hi, folks.  This subject gives me the perfect opportunity to introduce
myself, since I'm a new subscriber to MBU.  My name is Leslie Harris (I'm
male, despite my gender-ambiguous name), and I'm currently a graduate
student at U.C. Berkeley.  I'm on the job market this semester, and since
it's an awful year to be looking for a job, I've sent out lots of letters.
For each school that requests a dossier up front, I have to take a trip
over to our Career Planning and Placement Center, and I have to pay them
$4 (four dollars) for the privilege of their photocopying and sending
out my dossier, which includes my letters of recommendation.  I would like
to agree with all those who recommend limiting dossier/letter of recommendation
requests to the final few.

Thanks for listening.

Leslie Harris
leslieh@garnet.berkeley.edu
English Department
U.C. Berkeley
Berkeley, CA  94720

P.S. Thanks for the posting of the position, whoever posted it.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:45:00 CDT
From:         GKTEX@TTACS.BITNET
Subject:      Focus Groups

Karen

I have heard the term focus groups used in two contexts--one the business wordl
and two psychology.

The psychology focusing groups is based on a book called Focusing by Eugene
T. Gendlin (1981).  As I remember it, it is a problem identifying/solving
process for individuals.

Sage has a book by Morgan (don't know first name or initial) called
Focus Groups as Qualitative Research.

Virtually from the South Plains,
Tex
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From:         "Alicia Conklin, CCNY" <ALCCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: email privacy
              22 Jan 1993 09:22:00 CDT from <MFOSULLI@MACC.WISC.EDU>

Patty, I too would like to receiver your e-mail privacy paper.

Thanks,  Alicia Conklin, alccc@cunyvm
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:44:58 -0600
From:         RONRON@USU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: SURVEY QUESTION

I think what I would miss is the possibility for spontaneaty in the
classroom.  Sometimes things happen that click, and if you don't have an
example or an overhead or a set of handouts, what do you do?  CAI
lets us fly. Ron Shook
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:59:00 CDT
From:         Amanda Corcoran <YKFAC@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: SURVEY QUESTION

Leland,
re "clean" and worked versions of text on transparencies and on
the screen.

DId you ever hear of that study that suggested that students may
be less willing to revise significantly their text on screens
because it looked so neat and professional? I think the study (i
can't remember who it was) was chiefly discussing the students'
reluctance to revise printed copies because they were laser and
looked wonderful compared to scrappy handwritten papers. I think
the study argued that, despite hte ease of revision on computers,
students remained reluctant to globally revise their work.

I don't fully believe the study, although I could see it
happening at first. After the student has realized how easy it is
to cut and paste, insert and delete and still retain the
wonderful appearance of the document however,I am convinced (from
my own
experiences writing and from my experience s teaching in the  CAI
classrooms) that they can only be more encouraged to revise more
than before.

Just a late night rambling comment inspired by your message.
Anyone know of any studies (off the top of your heads) which
support this theory?

Amanda Inskip Corcoran--Texas Tech
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:04:00 CST
From:         SLATIN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      hypertext/multimedia poetry

Henry, Mark Bernstein at Eastgate Systems is selling some hypertext poetry.
Give him a call at 1-800-562-1638, or write him at 134 Main street, Watertown
MA 02172.

John Slatin
UT Austin
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:24:15 -0700
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TQM and Focus Groups

Well, Gary, there is a bitnet discussion list devotedto TQM in education. I
think it's TQM-l@ukanvm. Thie list was so active that I set nomail a couple of
months ago, but it was very informative.

-- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
___Arizona State University West
___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:30:57 EST
From:         "David Tillyer, CCNY" <DATCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Job opening: Position description
              23 Jan 1993 23:25:00 CST from <TEDH%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1>

On Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:25:00 CST Ted Hansen said:
>                  Computer Specialist in English
>
>Assistant Professor of English.  Specialization in one or more
>areas of computer applications in English beyond word-processing

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>literature.  Send letter, _vita_, official undergraduate and
>graduate transcripts, and 3 to 5 letters of recommendation to
>Professor Richard Robinson, Search Committee Chair, English
>Department, St. Cloud State University, 720 Fourth Avenue South,

      Has it been discussed on MBU what a waste it is to ask for
      3-5 letters of recommendation before the final cut?  I don't
      know what it's called in St. Cloud, but in New York, it's
      called chuzpah!   David Tillyer CCNY
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:59:27 EST
From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      cai assignments

>Subject:      cai assignments
>Hey, folks,
>
>Assume that you teach in a computer lab with stand-alone PCs.  What's your
>favorite in-class activity in such a circumstance?  . . . .
>Thanks,
>
>Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie
>

If you have time, my favorite is the old "disk conference" where everyone
opens a single file on a designated disk, reads to the end of the file from
the last time they entered a comment and then responds to the other
students' comments.  The content of the student discussion can be quite
varied, depending on what you suggest.  For instance, if they have choosen
readings that they are introducing to the rest of the class (a la Russ Hunt
a few weeks back) they can make a case for that selection.  If you are
discussing common readings, they can generate and respond to each other's
interpretations.  A take-off from a synchronous activity that I learned
from Trent Batson has students assuming roles/characters from a narrative
that either they or you generate or that they derive from a reading.  By
extending the context of the narrative, students can play with the voice
and perspective of their character. (We used a discussion surrounding a
young athlete burned over 90% of his body in the hospital, debating with
parents, friends, lovers, & doctors about whether he should be allowed to
die.  Heavy.  I was crying with laughter and unable to see the screen by
the time we finished with that one.  An irreverant bunch.) The point is
that students talk to each other and have "opportunity" for resistance.
They have a forum that CAN be used to encourage dissensual conversation.

Back the disk up frequently!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dickie Selfe              rselfe@mtu.edu
Humanities Dept.          906-487-3225
Michigan Technological U.
Houghton, MI   49931
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:21:00 CDT
From:         Betsy Smith <VKEOS@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Msg for Dave Roberts

I am going to be in Birmingham this week and I would like to meet with
you or David Chapman.  I am a doctoral candidate at Texas Tech.

Betsy Smith     bitnet%"vkeos@ttacs1"
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:38:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Daedalus Info (4)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 08:57:32 CST
From: "Ralph L. Wahlstrom" <rwahlstr@hp.uwsuper.edu>
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I hate to resurrect the Daedalus, but I've let a lot of the discussion pass
me by.  Now I'm looking to buy conferencing software, and I like Daedalus
(I used it during Cindy Selfe's seminar in Houghton last summer).

Who distributes Daedalus?  Does anyone know of other
comparable software for IBM?  Dickie, If you're out there listening, talk
to me.

By the way, if you or your department budget can raise the cash, Cindy
Selfe, Trent Batson, and Gail Hawisher will be presenting another Computers
in Writing-Intensive Classrooms this summer (June 14-25) at Michigan Tech.
With any luck, it won't snow this year, and even if it does, it's worth it.
Ralph W.
rwahlstr@uwsuper.edu



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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:05:54 +0200
From:         hjjankie@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
Subject:      hypertext/multimedia poetry

I'm helping a creative writing grad student develop a multimedia version of
a short lyric poem (text, sound, color graphics, video), using HyperCard
2.1.

Does anyone know where we could find any other hypertext/multimedia
treatments of original poems?  Or literature about same?

Henry
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Henry Jankiewicz, hjjankie@mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse University Writing
Program, HBC 1, Syracuse NY 13244, 315-443-3915.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:01:43 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Focus Group experience anyone??

Karen:
ABout focus groups.  I am a bit innocent here.  "Roughly structured
discussion groups"?  What do you imagine as the purpose of the
discussions?  How do they fit in the context of, let's say, a
firstyear writing program?  (assuming that we have some kind
of common notion of what the purpose of a firstyear writing program
might be, which is quite an assumption).
Irv
--
Irvin Peckham
University of Nebraska at Omaha
peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Mon, 18 Jan 1993 16:28:00 CDT
From:         Amanda Corcoran <YKFAC@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Participation Definition: a handout.

Rhoda,
I too would like to echo my thanks for the participation handout.
I plan to discuss my and the students' expectations and
definitions of participation in class.  I will of course credit
you with the handout, but, like Liz suggested, if there's any
particular way you'd like me (us) to credit you, let us know
before we get too far into the semester.
My semester start up tomorrow. I'm quite looking forward to it
(she says blithely unaware of the calamities, trials, successes
and, of course,
My semester starts tomorrow. I"m looking forward to the start of
the crunch again (she claims blythely, unaware of the calamities
and absurdities facing her this semester . . . .)

This editor will be the death of me yet.

Amanda Inskip Corcoran--Texas Tech
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From:         Eric Hobson <EHH909F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Job opening: Position description
              25 Jan 1993 20:49:40 -0800 from <leslieh@GARNET.BE RKELEY.EDU>

Came up with an easy way to get around having to pay for dossiers myself. At my
grad school, you pay for dossiers you send out, not for dossiers requested from
outside. SOLUTION: include stamped postcard in application letter requesting
dossier with blank for school to include return address (or, better yet, do
that job for them too). If calculated I could buy20-25 postcards with every
dossier requested from outside.
     TOO BAD I THOUGHT OF THIS ANGLE AFTER I FINISHED THE JOB SEARCH.
                            sitting in SW Mo., looking for holes in the system,
                                                      Eric Hobson
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From:         "David Tillyer, CCNY" <DATCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: cai assignments
              26 Jan 1993 16:17:50 -0500 from <STINE@LU.LINCOLN.EDU>

Seems to me I remember someone asking for the Maya Angelou poem from the
inauguration.  I now have it and can ship if that person  still needs it.
David Tillyer DATCC@CUNYVM
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:33:00 EST
From:         MLB14@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: willingness to revise on computers

Michael,

Actually, I've just surveyed students in our writing classes here at Penn
State-Erie on this very point.  I hope you (and everybody else) get to read
the results of this survey in some snazzy journal in the not-too-distant
future, but until then: one of the things I've found is that there seem to
be two factors that affect whether or not our students revise on computers.
They are 1) prior word-processing experience (usually in high school), and
2) proximity to the machines.  People who have their own computers are much
more likely to manipulate text than are people who have to go to computer
labs to write.  When asked to name the chief advantage of writing on a word
processor, the overwhelming majority stated that the ease of changing the
text was the biggest advantage.

It seems clear to me that, despite what we're seeing in terms of the quality
of student texts (which study after study can't really prove gets better
because of word processing), students DO engage in what we term "writerly"
behaviors if only they have adequate access to the machines.

Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie
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Date:         Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:05:26 -0600
Reply-To:     Doris Smith <dorisann@tenet.edu>
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      High school computing in English classes

Can you suggest IBM compatible software that would be useful in a
high school English classroom and/or on a LAN?  At the moment we don't have
classroom computers in place, and I'm trying to write a justification for
having them and need some specific uses and products.  We do have a
computer lab to which we can take our classes on an appointment basis, and
the word processor installed on those machines is MS Works.  I'm inclined
to think a program such as MS Word 5 (or the latest upgrade) might be more
beneficial because of its annotation property.

Other than straight word processing and the ability for both students and
teachers to critique and edit a writing-in-progress, can you give me any
suggestions/examples for other uses of classroom computers?  I'd also
appreciate any other information that you feel might be beneficial to me
as I attempt to think this proposal/justification through.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Cindy Selfe <cyselfe@MTU.EDU>

Bill, Michael, Dave

Many thanks for posting the Maya Angelou poem.  There's some colleagues who
always seem to answer calls for assistance--and many of them seem to be on
Megabyte!

Cindy, the admiring

  Cynthia L. Selfe
  Humanities Department
  Michigan Technological University
  1400 Townsend Dr.
  Houghton, MI  49931

    Internet:  CYSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
    Telephone: (906) 487-2447
    Fax:       906/487-3347
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From:         Ann Green <USERTFSH@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Angelou's poem

The poem appeared recently in The New York Times.  Ann/JCC
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:57:15 CST
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Clinton's Address, Version 3

Several details:

All three files are still posted:  clinton1 2 and 3.txt

Control Z end-of-file markers have been removed.
Trailing spaces have been removed.
An extraneous * has been removed.

The longest line is exactly 80 characters.

If there are enough requests, we can produce one with shorter lines,
and/or shorter paragraphs.

Even though most other agencies reporting the Inaugural Address are
content not to report corrected versions, Project Gutenberg is most
willing to do so, it is part of our standard procedure.

If you can proofread our version with any other copies, and send us
the discrepancies, we would appreciate it, and do another version.

(This should not include margination, paragraphing, punctuation, or
similar things, but should include singulars substituted as plurals
and any other substantive errors.  [There is one grammatical error,
and I didn't feel like correcting the president, or not reporting a
totally accurate transcription.]  There is one person who suggested
we should include our source:  since our staff listened live:  what
should we report as the source, besides Clinton, himself?)

This same person reported that the cd instructions did not work for
an "xferit" program on his Mac.  He said a preliminary cd pub would
be required. . .as below:

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password yourname@your.machine
cd pub
cd etext
cd etext 93
(or you can try cd pub/etext/etext93)
(or you can try get pub/etext/etext93/clinton3.txt)
get clinton3.txt
quit

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:25:00 CST
From:         Ted Hansen <TEDH%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Job opening: Position description

                  Computer Specialist in English

Assistant Professor of English.  Specialization in one or more
areas of computer applications in English beyond word-
processing.  Tenure track.  Required qualifications: doctorate
in English; background to teach upper-division and graduate
courses in composition/rhetoric and/or literature; demonstrated
skills in one or more areas of computer expertise, such as
composition and electronic networking, computer-based research
in literature or discourse analysis, research design.
Professional publications, presentations, workshops drawing on
computer experience desirable.  Responsibilities include 4/9
time in general education courses: freshman composition and
literature.  Send letter, _vita_, official undergraduate and
graduate transcripts, and 3 to 5 letters of recommendation to
Professor Richard Robinson, Search Committee Chair, English
Department, St. Cloud State University, 720 Fourth Avenue South,
St. Cloud, Minnesota 56301-4498.  Postmarked deadline: March 15,
1993.  Women, minorities, and applicants with disabilities are
strongly encouraged to apply.  AA/EO.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:20:00 EST
From:         BURT@BRANDEIS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Posting to the list

I myself don't mind the personal messages one bit. I particularly loved
the recent birth announcement and the chorus of congratulations. That kind
of thing is one of the reasons I find this list so cheery. Yes, many
notes I just delete after one screen. But sometimes I do like the chat, just
as chat.
John B
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:53:49 -0700
From:         "Gary Hatch" <HATCHG@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TQM and Focus Groups

David:

I'm not familiar with TQM (Total Quality Management?), but I hear the
term used a lot at the university.  What is it exactly?  I think
many of us would enjoy hearing about your experiences with it as
well.


Gary Hatch
Brigham Young University
English Department
3146 JKHB
Provo, UT  84604        (801) 378-2402
gary_hatch@byu.edu
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