HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fournes@belay (Who, me?)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.055205.5471@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>
>> 	Wait there...Coherent is Unix, just based on an old release,
>> and develop/licensed to someone other then AT&T...if you throw this
>> in with OS2/DOS (don't know what QNX is *frown*), then are you
>> going to throw in Linux also...that isn't licenced to AT&T??
>
>Erm, are you sure about this? I don't think Coherent *is* UNIX, it's certainly
>not directly based on AT&T code (otherwise it would bear a (C) AT&T somewhere)
>and MWC would certainly advertise it as UNIX if it wasn't. As far as I'm aware
>Coherent is merely UNIX-compatible.

Coherent never claimed to *be* Unix.  To quote the update ad they sent me:
"The World's Best Selling UNIX Clone Just Got Better."  Anyway, how about
someone who is actually running Coherent throwing in their 2 cents' worth?

                                        --- Eugen Fournes,
                                path:   fournes%belay@uunet.uu.net

P.S.:  I have Coherent on order...  I'll let you know.
From: Robert.Presland@helldisk.helldisk.helldisk (Robert Presland)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: WWIV..HA!
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:04:38 GMT


 SPO> WWIV may not be cripple ware, but trying to get doors to run with it is
 SPO> next to impossible.  Using the Chain.txt file for a 
 SPO> user information file,
 SPO> WWIV has locked itself into a groove where you MUST 
 SPO> use software made JUST
 SPO> for WWIV or not use it at all.  I speak from having run WWIV, and the
 SPO> related problems.  IT is an easy to set up Software for BBS, but is very
 SPO> limited.

There are a series of utilities that will convert to/from CHAIN.TXT to produce other drop files that are more commonly accepted, like DORINFO.DEF.
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Telegard, other BBS info needed.
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:33:13 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Help!


I am trying to set up a BBS that has allows flagged access to directories, so
that group A sees some message/file bases, group B sees other group and file
bases, while all people can see some fo the message file bases.

I have been trying to configure Telegard to do so, but NEED THE DOCS! (If
anyone out there has them for 2.7).

If there is another easy to use, DOS (or WIN) BBS out there that would support
this, I would greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks,

DC
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Waffle offline reader door (Piet!!)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:05:42 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Jeff Foy) writes:

>
>
> In alt.bbs you write:
>
>
> >Hi All,
>
> >I am new with usenet , but i am running a PCBoard system , with Waffle
> >as a door.
>
> You have my compliments. That type of set up takes a lot of work to
> get going. (not to mention maintaining...)
>
> >But now my question.
> >Are there ofline readers for waffle (compaired QWK readers) or something
> >like that.
>
> >I am looking something my users can download the News and read and post
> >home.
>
> >I 'll hope i get some feedback
>
> Well, if you're interested, I know of a QWK mail door for Waffle. I have
> no idea how it handles conference-name mapping but it does work. It's
> called Waffline mail. It's located in PD1:<MSDOS.WAFFLE> on Simtel20 as
> WAFM100.ZIP. The source code isn't located there but I have a copy if
> you're interested.
>

WafMail (the QWK door for Waffle you mention) works pretty well.  I use it here
on Minas Tirith, and have several users who download ZIPped QWK bundles of as
much as half a meg a day.  It reads the Waffle USENET file for conference
mapping, and relies on a user's JOIN file for which newsgroups to scan.  The
trick with conference mapping is to make sure that each group has a unique
name.  For example, you have to use the /qn= param on groups where the last
part of the name is the same, like alt.bbs.waffle and comp.bbs.waffle.  I
added a /qn=<something different>  to each of the alt groups to avoid potential
confusion.




>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:24:48 -0400 
From: Kenton Shaver <ks3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies

>  KS> I could not agree with you more.
>  KS> I've always assumed that this info was sold to mail-order companies,
>  KS> but who really gets it?  Why on earth is it needed?  
> 
>Many insist on knowing the colour of the caller's eyes :-)  All I ask is a rea\
>l (sounding) name (after all, I don't try and verify it) and a phone number.  \
>Usually this is enough for most people.

That sounds very reasonable to me.  Name and phone number.
In states where auto-tracing is legal, sysops have the
phone #, and the name and address if they have access to 
a reverse phone directory.  Certainly the police have such
access.  Do any sysops out there actually trace calls?

KWS
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Annoying Users...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:37:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.121009.1@acad.drake.edu> agb001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>I have to ask the question, but does any other people find that there are
>certain people who keep getting deleted, then get on a BBS under a fake account
>and then seem to endlessly try to make a mockery of the intentions of the BBS?
>
>Are there any precautions that I could be advised to and also is there any
>legal approach to this? (This has been going on for almost a year and a half.)

You could try auto-callback or voice validation.  That is, require them
to give a phone number, and then test it for accuracy.

You could call their mothers... most people that do this are about 13.

If they constantly call and harrass you, tying up the line and
preventing others from calling, and nothing else works, go to the
police.  This should be done only as a last resort, though, as you
usually don't want the "real" government interfering with the electronic
world..
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu             _V_a_l_h_a_l_l_a BBS, 217-352-3682, WWIV4.21, 14.4k
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:00:40 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>One of the reasons I got VPIX for my UNIX system was to allow the
>possibility of running a Fidonode under its DOS emulation. I believe
>Dave Hughes in Colorado a UNIX/Fido setup so I'm pretty sure it can
>be done.... 

or as pointed out earlier, you could run rfmail under UNIX
to allow for direct support for fidonet under UNIX.  We at
one time were running rfmail -- but after maybe 6 months decided
fidonet wasn't worth the effort..

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: looking for a window or windows based Waffle usenet reader
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:47:55 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

bazelman@pcs.uucp (Rudy Bazelmans) writes:

> I just started using waffle and I love it but I am not at all thrilled
> with the news reader.
>
> Does anyone know of any window-based or MS/Windows-based news
> reader that is compatible with waffle usenet groups?
>
>
> thanks alot
>

The only Windows-based program remotely related to mail/news I know of is the
Cinetic Mail Manager.  It's true Windows, however, and does a nice job.  It
doesn't directly support Waffle's rmail, but probably could be configured to
work with it.  I use Waffle here on the BBS, and I fired up CMM with FSUUCP on
my 486 to mess around with something different.  I was looking for a relatively
easy setup for individuals who wanted to set up themselves as a site rather
than just calling the BBS (sort of like a fidonet 'point').

As to news readers, I don't know of any that work with Waffle other than the
BBS itself.  If you find any, please pass the info on.



>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: leo@avs.com (Leo O'Donnell)
Subject: Mac-based BBS SW?
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:44:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: aurora.avs.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

    Does anyone know of any MAC-based BBS packages? Are there
    any that are also available for UNIX boxes?


Leo O'Donnell                Email: leo@avs.com
Advanced Visual Systems      Voice: (617) 890-4300 ext 2120
Waltham, MA
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Re2: Sad to say...
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:52:41 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:

> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>
> >attempt to set up gateways.  Their rules are so tight (they demand 'ownershi
> >of everything that comes through their backbone, therefore total control) th
>
> Oh, that's nice. Send a carload of uuencoded copyrighted stuff on the net and
> then call the police... ;-)))))

something like that <g>.

>
> >chat/forsale group between fido and wwiv failed because the fido sysops didn
> >want alias users in their echos.
>
> I can understand that.

I can't.  Look at how many aliases we see here in Usenet.  Not to mention the
fact that nobody can really tell who's behind these messages anyway.  It's an
intolerant, silly attitude.

>
> >a new group in V-Net, some role-playing game or another, and its CRC value
> >coincided with the fidonet home brewing echo.
>
> What have two equal CRC values to do with echomail areas?

When the titles of two echos have equal CRC values, some fidonet-technology
mailers go crazy and toss all messages from either echo into *both* echos.
This happened on my system with the fidonet backbone echo ZYMURGY (home
brewing) and one of the V-Net gaming echos.

> >bucks to ld carriers.  Usenet's reliance on institutional systems for the
> >backbone is one of the reasons it's so much more widespread.
>
> Add to that the lack of policies etc. So people can use the net for things TH
> think are important instead of doing things OTHERS think are important.
>

Yeah, I get this nice warm fuzzy feeling when I'm steeped in this much anarchy.
<g>.




>Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us<
>Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087<
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:22:17 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <109.18495@uonline.com> rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) writes:

>You are such a fool if you think I am going to endorse illegal activity on
>my system.  Other sysops will feel the same way.

I don't want to have to say this again.  I never ever ever suggested that
sysops should endorse illegal activity.  I co-sysop a BBS and I deal quite
sternly with anyone who uploads commercial software, or posts illegal
phreak information, or who even requests such things.

However, to require personal information so that you can then rat them out
to the police is unforgiveable and quite unamerican. 

I'm sorry, but the way I was raised, there is nothing lower than a rat, and
that is exactly what you are.  It is one thing to not support illegal
activity on your own computer.  OF COURSE you should not do that, but to
then become a police informant is to support the police state that we are
turning into.  Anonymity was a great feature in the early days of BBSing,
and not because it allowed for illegal activity, because it allowed for a
very unusual and interesting form of communication.  You Big Brother sysops
are ruining it (In many ways, you already have).


-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
  / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
 /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: hugh@netcom.com (John Ivermost)
Subject: Internet mail access in Fresno, CA area?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:37:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'm looking for a bbs or service in the Fresno area that gives one
the ability to send and receive mail to users on the Internet.  This
is area code 209

Replies via email appreciated
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:49:47 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <1992Sep14.144008.22055@riacs.edu> vancleef@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef--RCS) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.145722.29768@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>|> 
>|> No, you moron.  Of course you don't let illegal information stay on your
>|> computer.  Of course you don't let a user who posts illegal information
>|> stay on your computer.  But if you take the initiative and inform the
>|> police about that person, then you most certainly ARE a "[explitive
>|> deleted] pig"

>The original poster that if they saw someone post a stolen number 
>(credit card, sprint access code {I forget which}) they would inform 
>the authorities. 

>    I agree 100%!!

You are not even a pig.  You are a sheep.  A mindless herd animal who
believe that the police are really there to protect you.


>Do you think so little of the rights of the victim of a crime that you
>would defend the crook and allow the crime to continue? 

I'm not defending anybody, but I will not initiate contact with the police
because I don't believe that the police are really there to "protect and
server" especially agents of the Federal Justice Department.

>I refuse to be part of the problem. I try to be part of the solution.

The solution you are part of is a total police state where you can't even
trust your neighbors.  That's what Eastern Europe was like up until
recently.  Believe it or not, there are many high ranking individuals in
the Federal government who consider our current democratic system a
hinderance to their plans.  

-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
  / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
 /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Telegard flag help needed!
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:30:36 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

HELP!

Does anyone out there know how to set up telegard so that the flags
permit some users in some areas, while allowing other users in other areas?
 
DC

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.181136.29015@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
|In <1992Sep11.120808.8933@crd.ge.com> davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
|
|>  To put it simply, if someone posts something legally actionable, like
|>a PIN number, where to buy drugs, etc, I want to be able to point the
|>police at the poster and away from my system.
|
|Sounds like they are taking the initiative, claiming that they would do it,
|and turning rat on their users to protect themselves from the police.

Hardly.  Read the last few words.  Sounds like when the police come for his
system, he wants to be able to point them at the real offender.

|The police do not routinely scan private BBSes for such
|information, at least not yet.

How do you know?  One of the cop supervisors in this town has been BBS'ing
for 8 years... who knows what he'd do if he noticed something patently
illegal...

|And the original poster revealed how
|willing he would be to contribute to the erosion of personal freedoms in
|this country, by willingly turning over personal information about his
|users, in the event that the police "come after him." 

Now you change your tune, and say that Bill said he'd give out the info
if the police "come after him"...

And what's wrong with pointing the finger at the one who committed the
crime?  Why should I get thousands of dollars worth of my own equipment
confiscated because Cap'n Crunch and Joe Hacker have been swapping
credit card numbers through email on my machine?

  Bill
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:23:59 GMT

From article <Bu440I.A4I@gator.rn.com>, by larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder):
> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
>>No editor, no quoting, and now this.  It does run under OS/2, I've
>>done it.  There's no native OS/2 version, obviously, but TBBS most
>>certainly runs under OS/2, meaning it doesn't monopolize the machine.
> 
> I called eSoft and was told no.  TBBS doesn't work under and isn't
> supported under OS2.

	Larry, as I have said and others, it *does* work under OS/2.
No, eSoft doesn't support it, but according to people here and
people in the TBBS fidonet conference, it has been done.

 TTYL
 Chris

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: Eric Hoffmann <ehfm@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac-based BBS SW?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D266FF67011E87@tech1.bsd.uchicago.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:19:43 GMT
Organization: CCS
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:13:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.175352.15957@terminator.cc.umich.edu> Paul
Southworth, pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu writes:

>Hermes is probably the best known.  I think they're up to 1.9 or 2.0 now.
>There is also:  1st BBS, MuBBS, and NovaLink.

How about TeleFinder Group Host from Spider Island software?

For information, contact:

Spider Island Software
4790 Irvine Blvd 
Suite 105-347
Irvine, CA 92720

714/669-9260
714/669-1383  FAX
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:02:19 GMT

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> It CAN be done. The problem is that your choices are either really buggy
>and not very good software, paying through the nose for a DOS emulation

rfmail isn't that buggy -- and with source code one can
get it working very well indeed..

lots of work has gone into rfmail -- and new versions are released
on a regular basis

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:39:14 GMT
Organization: Just Computers!

But Larry, how much is the price of the RDBMS?  You gave us a very detailed
description of the operating system, but no mention at all of the database
manager that you are going to run with this.  When you give us the price
of the database manager, make sure it is 16 user and I can get good support
for it.  

As another writer mentioned, you keep comparing an operating system with
TBBS which TBBS *ISN'T*.  But that is a pretty big compliment.  So far
what you described is going to allow my callers to see a login prompt.
They want to do more than that.  And they don't want to install uucp on
their machines.

Regards

Randy Just
uonline@infoserv.com
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 08:59:50 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>
> >exception of Waffle) on the Fido technology or DOS side. There are
> >*dozens* of small, special interest networks using Fidonet style
> >networking on mainly DOS machines.
>
> true, but a good percentage of them have counterparts available
> on usenet -- there are around 2500 newsgroups on usenet,
> and maybe 500 on fidonet?
>
> --
> Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
> keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

Using only the 500 on fidonet is deceiving.  You also have to factor in the
'othernets,' since the total number of fidonet-technology groups is certainly
more than 500.

Of course, many of those nets do not have as widespread a distribution as
fidonet, much less usenet, but your 2500 number for usenet includes such strong
standouts as alt.ketchup.





|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.internet
From: nolan@tssi.com (Michael Nolan)
Subject: Re: GEnie Connection
Reply-To: nolan@tssi.com
Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:07:39 GMT

macman@newton.WPI.EDU (Chris Silverberg) writes:

>In an article yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) rambles:

>> GEnie's(R) Internet Mail Service Rates and Terms
>> ================================================

>> *  $9.95 subscription fee per month; renewed automatically each month.
>>
>> *  $ .40 per outbound message, billed to your GEnie account on a monthly
>>    basis.
>>
>> *  GEnie's Internet Mail Service subscription fee includes unlimited
>>    inbound messages.

>So, let me get this straight... if someone on GEnie wants internet mail,
>they have to pay an EXTRA $9.95 a month???  Plus .40 for EACH message sent?

It is worth pointing out that for most non-prime time connections, there is
no time charge for reading or composing e-mail on GEnie.  (This is not true
on AOL, the meter is always running.)  CIS, as I understand it, has two
plans for e-mail, including Internet e-mail.  Neither is free.

The GEnie plan seems to be attracting a lot of comment, mostly from people
who already have Internet connections.  It should be noted that the pricing
is subject to change, as this is an open beta test period.  We hope that
GEnie decides to make the gateway more affordable.  I'm just an assistant
sysop, so I don't set policy, or even have access to numbers which would
indicate how successful the current pricing has been.
---
Mike Nolan
nolan@tssi.com, nolan@helios.unl.edu, mike.nolan@genie.geis.com

Newsgroups: alt.bbs