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From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Please save this adorable dog...
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1993Jan26.095111.10175
Distribution: rec.pets
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <93025.190134KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Well, my thought is this.  Yes, to break trust is not exactly *right* but I
> sincerely believe that this vet probably does not do this often, and never for
> any other reason (such as to do experimentation on a pet to be put down, for
> example).  I think if I heard this story and the vet *had* put the healthy dog
> to sleep I would have been irate, and I would support the vet's decision to
> save the dog if I had heard about it before the decision was made.  I think
> that maybe the vet should have discussed it with the dog's owner (trying to
> pursuade them to take other courses) but if the owners refused, as there are
> some completely uncaring people out there, I think vets are not wrong in
> taking the matter into their own hands.  Legally, I don't know the implications
>  but morally, I think that's what's right.
> -=Kymberlie=-

You do have to give the couple SOME credit. At least they were humane about
their disposal of the dog. Four days after we moved to our new farm, a very
young PREGNANT cat (we think the father was her brother) that had a broken leg
and was starving to death, dragged herself to our door. Another such 'thrown
out the car window' refugee turned up a week later. We're waiting for the first
dog.

Brooke
From: Debbie.Bragg@gtri.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: African Grey headshaking
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTRI

In article <6301@rosie.NeXT.COM>, bavenell@next.com (Bette Avenell) writes:
> 
> My 6 month old Congo African Grey, Merlin (that I've had for 2 weeks) has one  
> behavior that concerns me.  Mostly in the evening he will shake his head (from  

Yes, headshaking is normal grey behavior.  
The grey that my sister-in-law has does it when you offer her
something new.   And our little baby (11 wks old) does it mainly 
when I speak to him.  My voice tends to become high pitched when 
I talk to him and when my voice reaches a certain pitch Mack 
violently shakes his head.  He is sooooooooo cute!

 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta)
Subject: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:11:30 GMT

I'm a new 'tiel dad and 'wet behind the ears', so to say!

I was hoping my mailbox would be flooded by replies, from
all YE birdie lovers, to my previous post, but Alas! 
Such wasn't the case...

However, I did get most of my original questions answered,
but a few new ones popped up in the "devil's workshop", so 
here I go again:

* What is the average life expectancy of tiels?
* How often should a tiel be bathed? 
  More important perhaps, at what age should I start bathing
  my boy? (He's 3 wks old...)
* How are "RoudyBush" products? (Recommended by the local pet store
  that's hand-feeding my tiel currently)
* Should I have any toys in the cage initially? (I'll bring
  him home when he's ~7 wks.)
* What is a good beak conditioner?

Any basic tiel care tips and DO's/DON'Ts will be highly
appreciated.

	   Mucho THX!-----|
in advance <--------------|

-anurag

ps: Howz "Spike" for a name?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:20:10 -0500 
From: Craig Stark <cs6h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Birds of a Feather
Distribution: usa

My highest praises go to "Exotic Birds of Pet Agree" in Watchung
Plaza, Upper Montclair, NJ.  It's a small store, but I've never found
one in which the birds are treated better.  The cages are palacial,
the store neat, and the owner, Mark, is very friendly, knowledgeable
and cares more for the birds in the store than anyone who might walk
through the door.

I first went to the store this summer when I was planning on getting
my first "big bird" that I could call my own.  Since I was planning a
move and had recently separated from my girlfriend (and hence, her
Alexandrine that we'd raised) it was time to buy.  A friend of mine
had a 6 year old imported (yes, imported-- he's 6) Timneh Grey who had
a long and sorry story.  Dusty had been originally bought by a family
who apparently thought a Grey would be the perfect pet-- riding on the
dog's head and letting the little kids pat him on the head.  Needless
to say, they were mistaken.  The little monsters (or children as some
may call them) proceeded to torment the poor bird by poking him with
pens through the cage.

My friend was in the market for a bird and bought it from the family.
All went well for a year or so as Dusty bonded to Al.  Fate struck
again.  Al got married and had a kid.  Dusty attacked Al's wife and
kept waking the kid.  So, poor Dusty was up for another move and went
to Al's neighbor, a very kind elderly woman who loved the bird but was
afraid to stick her hand in the cage or give him more than a simple
scratch (which he adores!).  For years of no handling pass and I come
along.  Al and I work out a deal to exchange some work for the bird,
but we're unsure if his current keeper will let him go.

We finally get back to Exotic Birds of Pet Agree.  When I see the
store and meet Mark, I realize that if I don't get Dusty, this is
where I want to buy my bird.  When I tell Mark the story and that if
things don't work out I'd like to buy one of his birds, he said
something that truely stunned me.  He said he didn't care if I wanted
to buy his Eclectus, he wasn't going to sell me a bird unless I tried
my damndest to get Dusty.  He was far more concerned with this 6 year
old imported Grey's welfare than he was about making a sale and was
willing to offer whatever services he could to help me get the bird.
Now, having heard numerous such stories, I will go nowhere else when
it comes time for my Blue and Gold, no matter where I'm living.

Craig Stark
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (eabyrnes)
Subject: Re: What do your birdies give you?
Keywords: questions
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:37:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.214234.14885@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:

>one of my co-workers, who basically asked, just what do birdies
>*really* give you?  it stopped me cold.  i mean, how can you explain
>in 3 minutes or less how much joy one's birdies gives you?
>
>so how would you answer that question?

I think that people enjoy birds because:

     1. The birds always seem very glad to see you.
     2. Bird owners reap intrinsic rewards in providing the birds with the
        best of care.
     3. They are feathered clowns that bury their heads in your cereal?


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From: jwsb@netcom.com (Justin Broughton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Birdies at Woirk (was: Re: I need to buy a ...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:33:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I have on a few occasions taken "Jiggy" my 3yr old lovebird to the office, and
she seems to get on really well with everyone there. She can be a little noisy 
so I take in her cage and the cover which usually keeps her quiet. I am
sure she could outstay her welcome if she came in more often, but she is
certainly a hit when she's there.

As far as what she can accomplish - well her typing skills leave a lot to
be desired, but she has it down in the paper-shredding department. 
A confidential document can be history in a matter of seconds.
There ain't a machine in the world faster at shredding paper than Jiggy :-)
In fact if Ollie had had Jiggy I am not sure if any of the Iran Contra stuff
would have ever come to light.

Hmmmm ... I always wanted to fly in AF1 ... 

Got to go, I think Jiggy's resume needs brushing up.


Justin Broughton
Configurex Inc., South San Francisco, California
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Configurex Inc., South San Francisco, California
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From: Sheree.Zaerr@bird.com (Sheree Zaerr)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: SEVERE MACAW
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:32:00 GMT

Hi John,
I have never had a Mini-Macaw as a pet.  I have a friend who breeds 
Mini-Macaws & have babysat some of her pets & have gotten to know them a 
little.  I have always preferred the Severe over the Yellow-Collared.  I 
thought they were equally as sweet, however & equally as noisy as any 
other parrot.  Their call is not as loud as a regular Macaw's would be, 
yet it still can become annoying if you allow your new pet to scream 
unnecessarily when first brought into your home.
One behavioral trait I have noticed in my friend's Yellow Collared & in a 
few other Yellow Collareds in this area in an almost constant whining type 
of call that can become extremely annoying.  Does anyone out there have a  
Yellow Collared that does this?

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 * Freddie 1.2 * 

 * Origin: Bird Info Network - (303) 423-9775 (1:104/234)
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Tough choices
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:25:04 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: angus

While we're sharing stories of murderous birds--

I decided to let Jasper have her much longed-for family yesterday.  Got
out nestboxes, removed all paper tubes (paper is bad in nests) raided
neighbors' trees for branches for nest material (when Fischer's lovebirds
nest, they _nest_!) and set up _2_ nestboxes so Tangier wouldn't compete 
with her daughter.

Huh.  Tough luck.  Only one box is a good one--the one Jasper wants.
In the middle of the night someone woke us up screaming, then this
morning Tangier's one eyering was swollen and the eye was watering.  Into
the bathroom for a few minutes, on my return there was blood all over
evverywhere and Tangier was standing on one foot, blood all over her
feathers.  We separated her (the cage is 2x3ft in area, 4ft high, it's 
_supposed_ to house 3 pair of lovebirds!) and gavve her her own nestbox
and went to work.  SHe's a tough bird, she'll be ok, but she may well
lose a toenail.

Now, I knew those 2 hens weren
t best friends, and I should have known based on previous displays that
Tangiew would not be content to leave the other pair alone.  (Tangier is
widowed.)  But I thought they'd be ok, and I was wrong.  Same holds,
clearly, for Darry and Angus, andd other birds in other places.  (I've seen
a cockatoo with similar damage, done by an Amazon in a neighboring cage.)
SO we live and learn--don't let those kids play in the sandbox at the
same time or someone will get hurt!  But I'm not going to give one up for
that--I can solve that by keeping them separate.  (And hope Jasper has
a few cock-babies in her next clutch! :-)

Ruth
From: rsteel@intercon.com (Rob Steel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: I need to buy a cockatoo sized cage for my office
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:42:39 -0500
Organization: Skum Knows Unix, Maybe
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: intercon.com

Hi everyone,

I have changed jobs and will now be bringing my little umbie, Toots, to work
with me. I need to buy her a cage for my office. Does anyone have a cockatoo 
or macaw sized cage that they are trying to sell????

Please respond to me at rsteel@intercon.com

Thanx

Rob
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta)
Subject: Need advise for raising a tiel...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 19:10:56 GMT

Hi fellow birdie lovers!

I've had a pair of budgies for almost 5 months now. Mickey & Goofy were
one and three years old respectively, when I got them. We get along fine!

Recently at a local pet store I bumped into a gentleman who has a pair
of tiels that accidently(!) gave birth to a baby tiel and he didn't 
know what to do with the baby... Needless to say, I offered to help!

So the baby is now mine! Since the baby was born on new year eve, it
is not old enough to feed itself and I have had no prior experience in
handfeeding a bird (or, anyone else for that matter!). Hence, I decided
to have a pet store look after 'my boy' for a few days.

That being said, what do you folks feel should be a good time to bring
my baby home? Should I wait until he is 6-7 weeks old, or more? (I work
an 8:00-5:00 job and my boy will have only my budgies to keep him company
during the day.)

I need tips from folks experienced in raising tiels, about do's and don'ts...
My main questions/concerns being...
* What kind of a cage setup should I have?
* What kind of a diet should he be on?
* Should I be progressively changing food contents as he advances 
  the age chart?
* Is any initial medication or a vet-visit required?
* Basic tiel care tips and DO's/DON'Ts?

I apologize for the length of this message, and pardon my naivete of
the subject matter... I'm an extremely anxious first-time daddy and
would like to get everything right!

If you feel that these queries are very basic and a wider audience 
may not benefit from the answers, please respond by sending me email.

Any info that you feel a new tiel owner can benefit from, will be 
highly appreciated.

Mucho THX!
-anurag

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: What do your birdies give you?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:47:29 GMT
Keywords: questions

In article <1k85i8INN476@gap.caltech.edu> mikula@ugcs.caltech.edu (Alf Mikula) writes:
->eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (eabyrnes) writes:
->
->>     3. They are feathered clowns that bury their heads in your cereal?

->Not to mention waddle through your oatmeal...

or skydive into your ice water...
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From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: Zoe Baird
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:25:43 GMT

I am so bummed out.  Now we won't have an Attorney General named Zoe.  Our
umbrella cockatoo's name is Zoe.  (Zoe Bird.)

                              Renee
From: chuq@Apple.COM (I Bleed Teal)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Please answer my 'tiel questions :(
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:09:11 GMT
Organization: Go Sharks, Inc.

anurag@bnr.ca (Anurag Mehta) writes:

>* What is the average life expectancy of tiels?

With proper care, you can go ten years or more. I've got one at home that's
around eight, and she's going strong (well, considering she's brain damaged,
that is. but she was born that way). I lost my first 'tiel at about age
five, before I converted everyone to pellets. 

>* How often should a tiel be bathed? 

Mine don't bathe, but get misted. I try to do it at least weekly. You could
do it daily without a problem. (Optimally, they'd have a water source in
their cage that they could bathe in and set their own schedule, but that's
not terribly practical). If you're talking about taking them in the shower
or putting them in a sink or something, I'd aim for once a week. It'll help
keep the dust down a bit and improve the feather sheen (and reduce itchy
feathers. My cockatoo has that problem, especially in the winter).

>* How are "RoudyBush" products? (Recommended by the local pet store
>  that's hand-feeding my tiel currently)

I don't like Roudybush. My vet doesn't like Roudybush. Most of the birds
I've seen fed Roudybush tend to eat it rather reluctantly, so it doesn't
seem to taste very good to them.

I feed all my birds Lafeber. They took too it very quickly and seem to enjoy
eating it. 

>* Should I have any toys in the cage initially? (I'll bring
>  him home when he's ~7 wks.)

Definitely. If he's alone, include a mirror. Stuff to chew on. Bells to ring
(usually when you're trying to hold a conversation), pieces of cloth to
unravel. My 'tiels love all sorts of stuff, and it keeps them busy and happy.

Give them things to destroy, especially some of the softer woods and strips
of cloth. That's the stuff they see to like most. (but watch the cloth. When
it gets frayed, replace it, since they can get claws caught in loops of
cloth and can get hung up. I've got a couple of toys which are little more
than ribbons of fabric put together so they can chew to their hearts content
fairly safely).

>* What is a good beak conditioner?

I have one of those nail conditioner perches you see advertised in the back
of Bird Talk. Since they also will use their beak on it, it helps (which
reminds me. It's dishwasher time for mine). Also giving them lots of softer
woods to chew will help a lot.

>Any basic tiel care tips and DO's/DON'Ts will be highly
>appreciated.

Lots of green, leafy stuff. Teach them to like real food early. Avoid
seed-based diets. Feed as wide a variety of stuff as you can, and don't
depend on any pellet for 100% of your food (we grow kale in the garden just
for the birds).

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From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: "Hey, where's my food?"  Converting 'tiel to pellets
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:38:02 GMT
To: fairchil@helix.ucsd.edu (Kevin Fairchild)


I've been trying to do the same thing with my dwarf macaw. 

So far, what I've found is that just cutting back on the seed didn't work at
all. So, what I've been doing is just giving pellets when I leave for work in 
the morning.  Then when I get home, I've been giving a few Nutriberries and
people food or Birdy Banquate (a soft food mix). But no more seed.

Last week I thought I had won.  The last three days of the week he consumed 
a significant proportion of the pellets I left. But then yesterday I found
that he had hardly touched them. I suppose the weekend broke the pattern.
But I do now know that he will eat them if he's hungry enough, so I guess
its a test of wills at this point.

One interesting thing I've noticed is that he distinctly favors the green
ones (parrot-logic...??). So sometimes I go to the trouble of picking the
greenies out of the jar for him.

Its taken me three weeks to get this far, so I guess its just a matter of
waiting him out.

Good luck. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: sean@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: showers
Originator: sean@curry1.austin.ibm.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:00:54 GMT
Reply-To: curry@ausvmv.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


In article <1993Jan24.001142.19346@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
> In article <199323.3220.2469@dosgate> "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com> writes:
> ->
> ->Hi, Barbara;
> ->BT> bathing - take 'em into the shower, or attach 'em to the shower curtain.
> ->BT> angus (einstein that he is) still hasn't bought a vowel when it comes to
> ->BT> actually flapping at the wawa ....
> ->i'm jumping in here, if you don't mind.  when you say INTO the
> ->shower, do you mean fully under the water?  i have an african grey,
> ->and i've been wondering about that.
> 
> sometimes.  most times, i place him on the floor and watch him walk
> to between my feet, look up, spread his wings, and wonder why he's there.
> i'll also let him perch on my finger and place him an inch away from
> the spray; he'll duck his head and pretend to be a giant venus fly
> trap by flapping his wings at the drops.
> 
> showering with one's birdie...what bliss!!  :-)
> -- 
 
My 'tiel, seems to love the shower.  I let him walk around the top of the
shower, and when he's in the mood, he hops down on my shoulder and goes   
thru the head under wing ritual.  He does look pretty pathetic when the
crest feathers get matted down though.    
I have a friend with two african greens and they get crabby unless they get
their weekly romp in the bottom of the shower.

Sean

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From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Severe macaw
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:20:46 GMT
Reply-To: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Does anyone out there have any experience with the Severe (Chestnut-fronted)
species of dwarf macaw? Do they have the same sort of outgoing "rambunctious 
puppy" personality style that seems to characterize the yellow-collar macaw? 

Are they given to screaming, or other behavioral problems?

I have seen Bird-Talk articles that recommend them as pets. Can I get any
agreement/disagreement from birdnet?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Birds of a Feather
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:34:22 GMT
Keywords: birdie store, new, central nj

folks,

whenever crisis strikes my family (be it de-beaked birdies, work,
life, software crashing at field, house blowing up, nj seceding
from the union, etc.), i retreat to any one of my favorite birdie
stores in nj (i find just watching them (the birdies, not the
stores) is very calming).

i came across a new birdie store which advertised in the nj classifieds
of this months' birdtalk - "Birds of a Feather" in bridgewater.
This place, which just came into existence two months ago, is *nice*!
not a lot of birdies like bird jungle, but every one had a large
spacious cage and play area, the birdies themselves were active
little imps, and the whole store had a warm friendly feeling.

the sales woman is a friend of the owner's, and she was quite
knowledgable about her birdies, plus very willing to give her whole
birdie history.  i made it quite clear i wasn't buying anything,
which had no effect; she just loved talking about the joys of 
birdieIzing.

thus, i'd recommend everyone in the continental united states to
visit nj for the sole purpose of seeing this store.  well, actually,
there are lots other places too; why, heck, we could have a r.p.b
convention here on the east coast!  :-)

They are located on Union Ave, Chimney Rock Plaza, BridgeWater,
NJ.  tell 'em r.p.b sent you...  :-)

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