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From: abd0@gte.com (Alvah Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: twins
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:21:17 GMT

CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:

>I have been watching the alt. area for alt.twins.  Did it never get started?
>If it didn't, I understand - we are all very busy.  I just wanted to make
>sure I wasn't overlooking it!
>Thanks, Teresa

As more mail has come in to my original request for preferences on an alt
group or a mailing list, the vote seemed to swing towards a mailing list.
The major reasons:  we all have access to mailing lists, while many sites
do not receive alt groups; and, some have cited a wish for some privacy in
discussions.                                                      

I've spent a fair amount of time trying to understand how to set up and
manage mailing lists, and should be up to speed shortly.  I'll then send an
email message to all the "yes" voters on misc.twins and anyone else who has
sent me email indicating interest in either an alt group or a list.  And 
I'll post instructions for joining the list here in misc.kids.  Stay tuned...

Alvah Davis, GTE Laboratories
From: hammaker@apple.com (Rebecca A. Hammaker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for a poem
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:02:06 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

A while ago there was a poem posted here. It was
for someone whose little baby had passed away.
The poem started out "I give to you this child
of mine to love for a little while", or something
like that. (It was God talking to the parent of
the child, I think.)

Anyway, if anyone knows what I am talking about
and has the text to the poem anywhere (or knows
who wrote it or what it is called), please e-mail
me with the info., or post it here.

Thanks Very Much!
Rebecca Hammaker
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: cradle cap
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <Bt04yM.JGB@world.std.com>, mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin) 
writes:
> Just my $.02 about Paul Mitchell products, and NO I don't work for them.  
But
> I would recommend purchasing them for your cradle cap baby and for yourself
> because they don't test on animals, something Johnson and Johnson or
> Proctor and Gamble can't say about their products.  Its hard to talk to
> kids about how cute bunnies are when you use products that kill them for

Does anyone have information about other companies that offer kids (or other) 
products that they don't use animal testing for?  I agree with the sentiment 
that my shampoo shouldn't kill animals.  I worked in a pharmacy college.  I 
could tell you horror stories.

Just another plug for Paul Mitchell, for adults with seborehic (sp) 
dermatitis (often like cradle cap sort of...) Tea Tree shampoo is great!  Not 
harsh like other "dandruff" shampoos, and does a good job!
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: new book found for 3-6 YOs
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:51:41 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

> I was wandering quickly through Crown Books this morning and saw a great
> Beginning Reader book for 3-6 YOs with younger siblings.  It's called
> "The Day I Had to Play With My Sister" and is about the trials and
> tribulations of a boy trying to teach his toddler sister how to play hide
> and seek.
>
> "No, that's not how you play" says the exasperated boy as his sister stands
> with her hands over her eyes thinking she's hiding.
>
> I can't wait to read it to Mitchell.  I think he'll love it as Hide and Seek
> is one of his favorite games (I always want to play Hide and Scare where the
> hidden person jumps out at the seeker, but Mitchell prefers Hide and Don't
> Scare).

heh, That does sound like a good book for my 9YO daughter to read to her
2YO brother, as they often "have" to play together. One of the games she
has taught him is Hide and Scare, but I just thought she was ambushing
him. He loves it as we both chase him around the house a lot. He likes it
better than Hide and Seek, because she knows all the best hiding places.
Rarely does he try to hide from her, but when he does, it's in her places
so she can find him easily, but doesn't too quickly.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:15:35 GMT

ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
> Religion is a totally subjective thing.  No "judgement" with regards to
> religion can ever be objectively "true".

Except of course the judgement that no judgement can be true. :)

> > >How can you tell if someone heard "corrrectly"?  
> > 
> > Research.  The religion is not secret or esoteric.
> 
> Non sequitur.  Proof:  the varying interpretations even under 
> fundamentalist doctrine.

On the contrary, varying interpretations prove that there is something to  
interpret.  

> Making a choice != degrading other choices, or attempting to push others
> to also make the same choice regarding matters that are purely
> subjective.

Making a choice certainly does not require rudeness.  But it's not purely  
subjective.  

-------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele                            rob@ll.mit.edu
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
244 Wood St.                   Your basic human being
Lexington, MA  02173            is not such a hot item.
617/981-2575                      --Ben Stein's sister
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Calcium-fortified foods
Date: 14 Aug 1992 19:01:54 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


#1 non-dairy source:  sardines.
From the plant world:
	collard leaves, 360 mg/cup
(spinach, chard, sorrel, beet greens, parsley, and rhubarb are high in
calcium but also high in oxalic acid, which prevents the calcium from
being utilized, unless you drink milk with them)
	sesame seed meal, 270 mg/1/4 cup
	kale, 200 mg/cup
	bokchoy 250 mg/cup
	(mustard greens, 180mg/cup
	broccoli, 160mg/ stalk

blackstrp molasses, 280 mg/2 Tbsp.

One final warning:  when the body is used to getting large amounts of
calcium it grows accustomed to passing on most of what it takes in.
If for any reason it begins to receive a dramatically smaller amount,
there will be a period of several weeks or months before it can
readjust its accustomed rate of low absorption to a higher level of
efficiency.  During this period the body will be in nbegartive calcium
balance, drawing on the reserve stores of calcium in the bones to make
up its needs even though the amount of calcium in the diet might be
quite adequate at a higher rate of absorption. (from _Laurels
Kitchen_, a Handbook for Vegetarian Cookery and Nutrition)
-nvv
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:36:06 GMT
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

In article <22956@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:
>
>After having 2 children, you'd think that I was an old pro
>at this but I always still panic when something gets caught
>in my children's mouth/throat.
>
>With my first daughter, I always 'fished' it out, and never
>had to do anything else,  thank goodness.
>
>But recently, I had given my 7 month old one of those hard 
>finger cookies that they are supposed to chew on.  I think
>they're called 'biter biscuits'.  When a piece breaks off
>in her mouth, I always 'fish' it out with my finger.  Well,
>the other day, she got a large piece in her mouth, and I
>put my finger in to 'fish' it out, but instead, pushed it
>back down her throat (it was slimy).  Instinct made me slap
>her back and luckily it came up to her lips where I could
>grab it.
>
>But, in the baby books, I read that you put the baby over
>you knees and push on their chest in between the ribs, to
>get the foreign object to come back up.
>
>Do you do this only when you cant get the object out by
>either fishing it out or by slapping their back?  My
>pediatrician also mentioned the pushing the chest method.
>I don't see how it could work.  Has anyone had to try it?

My 2 cents: my own experience (I WAS a baby once :-))

When I was about 10 months old I choked on a BEETLE!!. We were on the beach,
and as I was turning blue (literally), a friend of my mother's grab me by my
feet, flipped me upside down (vertical, feet up-head down) and pat me in the
back a few times. The bug came out (visibly shaken), and I re-gained my color
and composure pretty fast (they told me). It took longer for my mom to recover.

Martin

PS: I highly recommend for everyone to take a course on CPR (cardio-pulmonary-
resucitation). This standard course, offered almost everywhere (schools,
hospitals) include special procedures for infants and children; and also
include how to help someone who is choking (adult or infant/child - Hemlock
procedure). The course is not expensive ($20 I think) and well worth the money.
You'll never know ... you might save someone's live some day.
-- 
From: ck@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Kiessling)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:39:13 GMT
Subject: carseat at bad reclining angle
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids



I just discovered a problem with the infant car seat I have and hope
someone else has solved this already.

I have an EvenFlo Joy Ride, the kind that uses the leave-in-the-car-base,
but can also be used without the base.  I also have a Ford Explorer.

The problem is that the back seat of the car is slanted up in front and
down in back.  When I put the infant car seat in facing the rear (like
I'm suppose to), the baby ends up leaning forward, not reclining slightly.

The seat position is fixed; I can not adjust it.

I thought of putting something under the infant carseat to prop up the
front of it so the baby will recline slightly, but I wasn't sure how
safe that would be.

Until I figure out what to do, I'm using the infant carseat without the
base, which allows more freedom with the angle the baby sits at.

Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, how have you fixed it?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris ("ck") Kiessling
CAD Software Development Engineer
(408) 553-2905                     Hewlett-Packard Company
(408) 249-6225 [FAX]               Integrated Circuit Business Division
ck@dtc.hp.com                      Santa Clara, California 95052
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and showers w/ parents and other stuff!
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu (dan abel)
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:43:14 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Aug20.080011.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> Hi again,
>   I have a question for everyone, and it may start another "war"

Let the flames begin!
 
> But here it goes anyways!
> 
>     Up to what age is it appropriate to have a child showering with
> mommy?

I don't see what the mother's age has to do with it.  As far as the 
kid goes, what does age have to do with it either?
 
>   I say that when a kid reaches 2 and a half it's a little inapropriate,
> because they are starting to learn more.

Gosh, I always thought that kids were *supposed* to learn, even after 
two and a half.  What are you afraid of?
 
>   I'm curious what everyone else says.

Probably everyone will say different things.  That's how the net is.
 
> Also has anyone had an experience with their baby not gaining enough weight?
> Aaron lost weight this month instead of gaining!  He was supposed to gain 2
> pounds, and in the last week or so he has only gained 2 ounces!

If he gained 2 ounces, how can you say that he lost weight?  Weight 
fluctuates, and a gain or loss for one week is not significant, taken 
by itself.  Babies often lose small amounts of weight at some point 
(I believe the first week of life).  On the other hand, if a baby 
gains 2 pounds in one week, I would worry!  If he still doesn't gain 
much weight over a month or two, I would recommend consulting your 
pediatrician.  

Our second child (almost 10) suffers from Maturational Delay 
(something like that, I tell my wife that it's fancy words for 
"little").  He has failed to gain weight (or heighth) his whole life, 
and will continue that way for about three years longer than most 
kids, at which point he will catch up.  He has the body of a 5 or 
6YO, with the mind of a 10YO inside.  Your mileage may vary.
 
> Well we go for a sweat test this morning!

What is a "sweat test"?
 
> Gotta run (actually HE's the one who will be sweating)
> 
> Jay
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:46:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I already have a smarter baby, but thanks anyway.  >;)

Seriously, I think that stuff's a waste of money.  Babies are
supposed to be carried and cuddled and that's how they learn
what they're supposed to learn.

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:29:09 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1282@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.221215.28413@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) 
>writes:
>> An even cooler idea than duplicate blankets is to encourage
>> your baby to use a cloth diaper instead of a blanket.  This
>> was a tip we heard from friends.  They're replaceable, cleanable,
>> and come in packages of 12!
>
>We did this entirely by accident.  Matthew was a terrible spitter and no 
>one went anywhere with him without a diaper on his/her shoulder for about 
>the first nine months of his life unless they wanted to be *covered* with 
>spit-up!!  So the diapers became his blankies.  
>
>Vanessa R. Stern
>vrs0@bunny.gte.com

  Us too, with the first.  We wound up buying 2 dozen when he was tiny,
because otherwise we had to do laundry all the time.  He fortunately
got attached to them, and even at 5.5 years, still sleeps with one
or two of them.  They are *very* soft now.  When my daughter was born,
we bought another 2 dozen, and dyed them pink, because I didn't want
to spread 3 year old germs to a newborn just because I couldn't tell 
their "burp cloths" apart.  Now I wonder why I didn't dye his too (he
wouldn't stand for it now); they look so much nicer, and are much easier
to spot.  I just use Rit dye in my washer, and re-dye them about every
9 months or so (when the pink ones can't easily be distinguished from
the white ones, it is time to re-dye!)  In our case, not only did we use
them on our shoulder, but we also folded one under the baby's head to
catch spit up there too, so the cloth diaper was a constant companion.
My daughter thoughtfully adopted hers as her security object too, so
at the moment we are never without at least one!  Neither child has
ever objected to giving a dirty one up for a clean one, and we have
plenty to stuff spares in the diaper bag, and other strategic locations.
 
					Susanne Gilliam
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:07:13 GMT
Organization: If I could just remember where I put my notes

In article <92230.221210IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
...
>
>there are more possibilities than a) there is a deity and it is
>YHVH, and b) there is no deity, so pascal is right out.  what
>if the hindus, for instance, are right?  and, for that matter,
>seems to me the WORST reason for worshipping a deity is beacuse
>you are afraid of what it will do if you don't.  how is a deity
>like that any better than a devil?

I like that.  Here we are, with many of the opponents corporal
punishment reasing that spanking doesn't work because it only
breeds resentment.  But its ok to live in fear of a jealous
deity, who is as substantial as my daughter's imaginary sisters.

Sounds awfully manipulative to me.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Question about Encyclopedias
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:12:06 EDT

In article <1992Aug14.174817.25882@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel
J. Dick) writes:

   > My wife and I are expecting our first child, and like a crazy,
   > over concerned father, I've already been on the search for the
   > perfect school, the perfect place to live to bring up children,
   > the perfect car, the perfect car seat, etc., and am coming to
   > the point of wondering what the perfect encyclopedia and
   > educational materials might be.

   > Do any of you have suggestions on this (something that mommy and
   > daddy could read through from volume to volume to a very young
   > child)?  Our thoughts are that since children learn very quickly
   > at a very early stage, we would like to make sure that we
   > provide our child with the best beginning.  Not that we consider
   > education to be *everything*, but we do consider it important
   > and want it to be fun and interesting from the start.

Well...I was trained as a librarian.  We also had two sets of
encyclopedias at home when I was a kid...the Americana (for grownups) and
My Wonderful World (for kids).  My opinion is that you get a good general
purpose encyclopedia that doesn't try to be exhaustive for use around the
house, and then take the kid to the library for more detailed
information.  The basic rationale behind this is that encyclopedias are
expensive purchases, and while the average library has maybe three
different sets, one of which they upgrade each year in order to keep
current, most families can't afford to buy a new encyclopedia each year.
Sure, the annuals are nice, but I'm on4 of those "one stop shopping"
nuts.

So I say get something general purpose like Colliers or World Book, that
you know will go out of date for current events quickly, but that you can
get for under $800, and then teach the kid how to use the library when the
stuff in the home encyclopedia isn't quite enough.

Just my two cents.
--
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* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers/Strollers for fast walkers/joggers
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:52:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug12.175205.24937
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 14520@b11.b11.ingr.com, greg@gregm.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz) writes:
>I am looking for a device that one can use to push a couple of 50-lb
>kids around at a fast clip.
I have seen several of these "jogging strollers" in various places.
They usually have three wheels (on in front, two in back), and often have
a handbrake.  Check sporting goods (bicycle, mostly) shops.  They
are most likely to be properly assembled if you get them
from a good bike shop (it's unlikely that there is one where
you live :-) :-( - I say this without knowing where you live).
Ask around at these type of places, because they can often order
one or know where else you might look.  I see people using these
often; I'm surprised you've never seen 'em.  Of course I can see
the local bike path from my living room, so my exposure is increased.

Hope this helps.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:19:41 GMT

In article <19433@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>In article <JGJ.92Aug18130200@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>|> > Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
>|> > Mostly on human volunteers.
>|> 
>|> That I find morally reprehensible.  To test things on humans before
>|> they've been tried on animals reeks of Nazi Germany.  You can bet I
>|> won't use any of these so-called cruelty-free products!
>|> 
>|> > Most companies making non-animal tested stuff use ingredients with a
>|> > long, safe history too.
>
>Maybe some do, maybe some don't. What I have read is that animal testing
>has gotten very expensive and computer modeling of reactions has gotten
>much better (particuarly for things like cosmetics and body care products).
>So, companies are not testing their products on animals or on PEOPLE (I
>mean let's be real and think about the liability implications here!). They
>are testing them via computers.
...
>
>-- 
>Sharon Badian
>AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
>seb1@druhi.att.com


Much animal testing (separate from research) is done for liability reasons.
When someone sues the product manufacturer the manuf. can say that they
tested the stuff on animals and that somehow makes them less negligent.
I suppose because they practiced the current method of testing even
though non-amimal methods in most cases do as good a job.

These posters speaking about the morality of testing on people before
animals and likening it to using our kids as guinea pigs or nazi germany
are either just pulling our collective leg or are just ignorant of the
situation.

Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids