HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (The 24hr man)
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:23:32 GMT

In article <4qk1iB3w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM wrote:
lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:

>Bwahahaha!!! - If that male homosexual is porking that female..

Well, it is possible to do things that you do not enjoy is it not?
Like doing a friend a favor? Are you enjoying everything you do?
For your friends?

>Then I think it is time for him to turn in his triangle. :-)

>-djk

Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'Smoking reduces your fitness' - Health Authority Warning
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1868 alt.sex:13835 soc.motss:19664
From: mmt@latour.Berkeley.EDU (Maxime Taksar)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex,soc.motss
Subject: Re: New Phone Male System For Chicago Area Gay Guys
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:35:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s070eINNo4t
Reply-To: mmt@Berkeley.EDU (Maxime Taksar)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: latour.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr7.105340.23853@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.062242.9378@chinet.chi.il.us>
>patrick@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick A.  Townson) writes:
>>A new voicemail service called Phone Male is now operating in the Chicago
>>area for gays. The service has several components:
>To me it seems odd that one of the net's best known
>moderators (comp.dcom.telecom) would post a frankly
>commercial announcement on Usenet.  I object.  I'll skip the
>rest of the editorial.

(I hadn't even noticed it was the (in?)famous PAT until
you pointed it out.)

It wasn't necessarily commercial...upon hitting my "Subject
prev" button and looking over the item in question, I notice
that it did say that the prices are to defray costs.  You
wouldn't say that an advertisement for a public-access Unix
system that charges to defray costs is commercial, would
you?

As for his being a moderator, it shouldn't be an issue, since
he did not post in his capacity of moderator.  (Although he
*has* previously posted inappropriate (IMHO) material as
moderator, but that's a completely different story).

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Maxime Taksar             KC6ZPS            mmt@Berkeley.EDU
"GAS FOOD NEXT RIGHT" [Yum!]       "END CONSTRUCTION [Now!]"
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:59:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.022208.13917@wam.umd.edu>
     aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>Moreover, I was talking, also, about the social reaction about homosexual
>households, and its possible effects on the kids.

   You argued, in effect, Alberto, that homosexuals make bad parents.
That was the basis of your arguments.  "I do not believe children
should be raised by gay parents."  We resoundingly took apart your
discussion from both ends... we presented case studies, we dissected
your dissertations, and we presented experimental evidence to destroy
your initial assumptions.

   You're just smarting because you lost.

         Elf !!!
From: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Ronnie Jr has a new account, are we ready for some fun?
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:38:24 GMT
Reply-To: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Dear, dear, dear - ronzobozojr is back, and coming from CompuServe, yet.

Watcheth thine ass, ronnieboy - the sysops at CS are likely to be a lot
less patient with you than digex.com was...

Also, has anybody out there tried to reference the alleged St. Louis 
Post-Dispatch article that ronniejr claimed to have been quoted in?  I'd
be *quite* interested in finding his actual name.  Ditto if that info is
available through CompuServe.  If nothing else, it'd be that much more 
grist for the St. Louis ADL's files...

**************************************************************************
*    -Nathan J. Mehl-     * Destined to be the only queer Guns'n'Roses   *
* nmehl@pennsas.upenn.edu * fan on the planet. And probably deserves it. *
**************************************************************************
Xref: sparky alt.sex:14883 alt.politics.homosexuality:2288
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 21:08:44 EDT
From: Herschel Browne <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Regrets

In article <kun9pqINN3fk@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
says:
>
  [of Foucault]
>
>Early modern *French* history was his field.  "Single most
>brilliant thinker of our time"?  That speaks *volumes*.

I'm so glad that you are able to tell dead scholars what their
fields were, even though they clearly had different notions than
you do. Your dismissal of Foucault speaks *volumes* too. So what?

>
>Foucault, like Freud, is of interest these days only to literary
>theorists and to those interested in the history of ideas.

I gave you a counterexample, Peter Gay, who is neither a literary
theorist nor a historian of ideas. Therefore your statement here
is false and your argument fails.

H.
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:41:08 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr9.224057.7307@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto
Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>Discarded with proof of him being wrong, or just because they think that he
>was homophobic?
>As I said, I do not believe that he was homophobic, as I do not believe that
>all what he said is right. I would said that is mostly incomplete.
>But, I do believe that he made important advances, and that homosexuality 
>might be a traumatic problem just like several other we all have.

If you insist on invoking Holy Freudian Writ, then invoke it rightly.
Freud did not think homosexuality stemmed from trauma, nor did he
think it was neurotic. He thought it was an "inversion", basically
caused by prolonging the homosexual phase into adulthood.

>I would say here that I do not believe that homosexuals are 
>disfunctional, I just say thet your's is not a scientific method.

Neither was Freud's. I think the man had some good ideas and some terrible
ones, but there isn't a lot about what he said that could be called
established science.



--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:27:12 GMT

In article <j76j4ds@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>The point of this is fairly simple.  You cannot tell a homosexual
>couple from a heterosexual couple if, in my descriptions, I do not
>tell you the gender of the partners involved.  Can you tell, by my
>descriptions, which couples should have children, and which should
>not?  I bet you cannot.  However, as soon as I tell you the 
>sexuality of these couples, you seem to have an opinion, with no
>extra information.
>
True, it cannot be told. But that is not the whole picture.
You erased some important piece if evidence. In that way it is easy to
be right.

>
>This is bigotry, plain and simple.
>

You are forcing the truth, plain and simple.

>
>
>
>FWA


AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: What is this net for?
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 20:04:27 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

<SDENO@auvm.american.edu> divulges:
->
->The title sounds interesting, but I haven't found any political discussion
->going on.  Did I grossly misinterpret the purpose of this net?  Is there
->another net on this topic that may have intelligent discourse on politics
->and homosexuality?

Well, if you want politics and homosexuality, mosey on over to
soc.motss.  This here group was created by someone who wanted to rant
and rave about how homosexuals are sick and need help.  How the word
"politics" got involved is beyond me...


->Thanks in advance for your help.
->                                         Lilith

Yer welcome!

JOhn.
-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1951 alt.sex:14013
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (The 24hr man)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:31:04 GMT
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Sik-Revision: 0.01!
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!

In article <1992Apr10.030510.13312@cs.uow.edu.au>
    g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester) wrote:

>Ah yes, but, I like green peppers and like no-external-genetalians 
>(this is my best approximation at the moment since some XX's look like XY's and
>have changed their inny to an outy, but that's another thread). Maybe we
>can get a correlation with some more input. (3 is hardly a good sample)

But Jester, we have this person that added all that fishy stuff to the poll,
Did this person say anything about his/her sexual orientation,  NOOOOOOOOOO!

-- 
\ /  /    / /  /\   | I trapped all alone in the gas station of love,
 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
 / \/  /   \ \/ \   |  --"Weird Al" Yankovic.
g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au

 Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'When thou walkest through the fire, thou shall not be burned.' -Isaiah 43:2
'I have a ploblem, my dikkes does not work.' - Chinese CS student
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Adream
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:23:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr17.025019.4547@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <kusaidINN9or@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr16.230202.23554@wam.umd.edu> 
>>aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>...
>>> Real close. And, I also said that because I believe that homosexual  
>>> couples follow the man-like and woman-like model that society sees as good  
>>> (One dominant and one dominated), the Complex might be well resolved  
>>> anyway. 
>>
>>I wasn't following this thread at all carefully before so I missed this.
>>On what do you base this belief?  Do you even *know* any homosexual
>>couples?  
>>
>>I'm astounded at this stupidity.
>
>Why do you think that this is stupid?


Perhaps the word he meant was ignorant.


Because, in the gay world, people do NOT adopt man-like and woman-like
roles in their relationships.  We cannot figure out where you got this
idea from.




Jeff
-FWA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: A dream
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:55:03 GMT

In article <92107.101427QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>  
writes:

> Can't you understand this?

Sure, I can.

> 
> I think clues are on sale at K-Mart - get one.  (sigh)

OK. I'll go later. Thanks for the tip.

> 
> -Tim

AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Reporting people
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.195837.28592@wam.umd.edu> aap@next13epsl.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>Besides the point of what anyone posts in this newsgroup, it cannot be  
>denied that there is a high tendency among people here to:
>
>1) Send complains to sys-adm if GLB do not like what it is being said.  
>This makes some people to use false names.

Do you want to know how much hatemail I receive on a given week?  Do you 
want to know how many harssing phone calls I get at home?  I get harassed
as much as the homophobes.  It is not just the GLB people who do this.


>2) Insult people calling them: Homophobes, fascists, nazis, bigots, etc,  
>if GLB do not like what it is being said.

Whoah...

Look at the last netpunk posting, or the last ronniejr....

We have been called fudgepackers, perverts, unnatural, cock smokers, 
cocksuckers, homos, faggots, queers.  The list goes on and on.  Again,
we use fewer names than the people insulting us.


>3) Lie about people, saying that he/she did this or that in another place,  
>if GLB do not like what it is being said.


Oh excuse me, but there is just as much lying from the heterosexual side.
Read a ronniejr post.  Read a artimus post.  Read the lies.  Or, do you
not see those?



The point is, we start none of these arguments.  Homophobes come into this
newsgroup and start calling us names, not the other way around.  I do
not go into talk.religion.christianity (or whatever it is called) and
say "all christian fuck children" or "christians should not be allowed to
have children."  All we want is to either be accepted or left alone.
Either will do.  What is not acceptable is having people tell us what
we can and cannot do....



FWA
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:29:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.j76j4ds
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <gPiRiB4w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>> Heterosexuals invented artificial insemination.
>> 
>
>Sure did.. So normal couples with dysfunctional reproductive
>systems could bear children.. Not so that un-natural sexual
>practices could be 'legitimized' by faking a process that is
>impossible under NORMAL circumstances.


You are stretching here.  Let's look at the following example of a
couple.

Couple1:
Together 9 years.  
Professions:  Mechanical Engineer and a programmer
Children: 1 child
Hobbies:  They have a child, what time do you have for hobbies?

Couple2:
Together 2.5 years.
Professions: Electrical Engineer and Psychiatric Nurse
Children: 3 cats.
Hobbies: reading, hiking, going to see movies in the theatre, riding
	motorcycles

Couple3:
Together 8 years.
Professions: Computer Programmer and Author
Children: 1 cat
Hobbies: performing music, movies and hiking

Couple4:
Toghether 6 years.
Professions: Computer Programmer and Receptionist
Children: 2 cats
Hobbies: playing hockey, riding motorcycles, camping




Now Daniel, can you tell me which of these couples is "normal"
and which is not?  Give it a try, if you guess correctly, I will
be impressed.


The point of this is fairly simple.  You cannot tell a homosexual
couple from a heterosexual couple if, in my descriptions, I do not
tell you the gender of the partners involved.  Can you tell, by my
descriptions, which couples should have children, and which should
not?  I bet you cannot.  However, as soon as I tell you the 
sexuality of these couples, you seem to have an opinion, with no
extra information.


This is bigotry, plain and simple.




FWA
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:16:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsl.1992Apr17.131651
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Apr17.153618.7093@wam.umd.edu>, aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) blathers:

|> Anyway, to have your partners consent does not make it any better.
|> 

Sure it does, it means you can include them.  What could be better ??

-- 
Excuse me, could you scream just a little louder ??  I can't seem to hear
you.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:1768 alt.conspiracy:6103 alt.censorship:3157 alt.discrimination:1351 soc.history:3458 sci.research:467 alt.activism:7283
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: More responses from Ralph Winston forthcoming in a few days!
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Mar30.065224.5003@wpi.WPI.EDU> entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

>The play offs for bigot of the year have arrived and the field has
>been narrowed down to two candidates:
> Ralph-revisionist (alt.censorship)
> Ronniejr-admitted gay basher and neo nazi (alt.politics.homosexuality)

Pete Faust, also of Banned-CPU, is a fair bit worse than Ralph Winston.

>>Banished CPU supports FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  Currently no fees.
>>CALL:  +1(503) 232-6566 (8N1, v.32/42/bis) or +1(503) 232-5783 (8N1)
>>UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!
>>Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.
>
>Whats the difference between ELIMINATED and "ELIMINATED"? If b_cpu
>was eliminated why is it still driveling onto the net?

We don't tell you until you become a member of the Zionist Thought
Police. ;-)

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Subject: Re: FJ Needs A History Lesson
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:53:02 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>70750.2052@Compuserve.Com ("Ronnie Jr.") writes:

>|Especially when Big Bubba rams his foot-long up your poop chute.

>Ah yes, back to the 'only penetration is real sex' stance. Are all straight
>boys this unimaginative?
>							FJ!!

No, FJ!!, only most of them. However, all *bigots* 
are *absolutely* this unimaginative. Poor things. And poor "Ronnie" -
two strikes in one!

Tsilke

---

		"That's right, I *am* a dyke! My tongue's
		 been places you didn't even know you had!"

				-Rox, Head Cycle Slut in 
				_Chopper Chicks in Zombie Town_
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:15:04 GMT

In article <jkctapg@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.032731.27188@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto  
Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
> >In article <jjfe7rk@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)  
writes:
> >>In article <1992Apr15.220813.19914@wam.umd.edu>  
aap@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:


> 
> 
> This argument comes up over and over and over again.  "That is not what  
I
> meant".  Alberto, the homosexuals on usenet seem to be getting a common
> message from your postings.  Whenever we argue against what we think you
> are saying you back away, saying "that is not what I meant."  Perhaps  
you
> should read what you wrote again, and see if what you meant and what you
> wrote said the same thing.  Perhaps it is because you are not writing in
> your native language (I am making an assumption here), but I think that 
> you need to read what you wrote and make sure that you are saying what  
you
> think.
>

I think that maybe you are used to hear a certain type of comments and  
answer to them.
So, when I said something, you assume the rest, and keep answering to  
things that I had never said.
My idea is that you assume: He believes in the Oedipus Complex, and in  
psychoanalysis. Ergo: He believes in Freud's theories. Ergo: He believes  
that homosexuals are this and that. Ergo: He is a phobe and do not want  
homosexuals to be allowed to adopt.

Because there is a popular theory about psychoanalysis, and ussualy those  
who believe that psychoanalysis believe this and that, you just assumed  
that I also did.
Also, once there are a lot of people here who do not follow the debate,  
but just jump in at any time.
So, I said something. You said that I said another thing. But this person  
did not read my message but he read yours, and then this person assumes  
that I actually said this or that.
I am receiving messages from people who thinks that I said that  
homosexuality is a psychological disorder, or that I was opposed to allow  
homosexuals to adopt, when I have never said that.
So, I am not Artimus or any other. And it seems that you are ready to  
answer to them, and to guess what is coming later. Do not do that with me  
and you will see that might not be me.

 
> Jeff
> -FWA


AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be.
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:57:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.010219.24107@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.224057.7307@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>fact here.  Psychoanalysis as an important movement in psychology is
>dead, dead.  Argentina may still be in thrall to that Victorian image
>of the medicine man who has nothing to offer but authority, but the
>rest of the world is a little more advanced.


I would not take that reference about the rest of the world being a little
more advanced as an offense, I just take it as another example of extreme
ignorance.
All the references were not from Argentina, as a first point.
As a second point, what you say is not a fact, is just a wrong statement.
All over the world, psychoanalysis is still an important component of
psychology. Just get your head out of the hole and look around.
Oh, I am sorry, I forgot that for some people the world goes from Canada
to Mexico and from the Atlantic to the Pacific...
I am glad that too many people still get some information about what is
going around in other places. I am sorry that Mr. Dyer is not one of them.


AAP

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson)
Subject: Re: The American Way
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:40:10
Originator: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca

In article <1992Apr8.123804.201424@uctvax.uct.ac.za> swjnev01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

   From the outside the American election looks like a complete farce.
   I seems that the male who has the most money, who throws more dirt
   about the sex lives of his opponents and who catches the most
   baseballs in his shirt and tie for the media is the winner of the
   contest. Its a pity that Americans can't be more serious about the
   power that they have. God help the world if Bill Clinton makes his
   gung-ho way into the white house.

It doesn't look too pretty from my point of view either. No doubt
that, whoever wins, the Americans will end up with a slime in office.
However, Bill Clinton is at least a moderately smart slime (he was a
Rhodes Scholars, I think) and a slime who would not veto health-care
legislation or better education. Why "God help the world" if Clinton
wins, rather than Bush or Moonbeam?


David


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