HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Subject: Re: IPS:News
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.160034.23712@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sargeant@cae.wisc.edu (Winslow Sargeant) writes:
>
>	I will be gone temporarily.  I will not be able to continue
>to post News from IPS (via Peacenet). It is my hope that someone will
>be able to subscribe to Peacenet to carry on what I have started. 
>	Good luck to the person(s) that takes on that responsibility.
>

I hope we do get someone to continue the service.

>
>
>******************************************************************
>                        Remember,  Always "Do The Right Thing"
>                                           Peace
>                                      Winslow of Madison
>        Quote: "All people of African descent whether they live in
>		north or south america or any other part of the
>		world are AFRICAN and belong to the AFRICAN NATION."
>		Kwame Nkrumah (GHANA)
>******************************************************************

lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Subject: Re: Fax for Somalia....CORRECTION
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:08:14 GMT


>It appears there might still be a problem with the State Dept number.
>Either it is very busy, they don't want to receive messages, or the
>number is incorrect. I have been getting "unsuccessful" messages.

I got through earlier this week on that number, but I suspect that they have
now simply unplugged their fax. I have tried to find another number but 
it is not that easy to track down US fax numbers from Sweden. Maybe you could
do that?
:-)
Bernhard

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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:34 PDT
Subject: Keep up pressure for Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700068:000:1638
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 16 13:34:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Keep up pressure for Somalia

/* Written  1:26 pm  Aug 16, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:nonviolent.act */
/* ---------- "Keep up pressure for Somalia" ---------- */
To all of those interested in acting for Somalia:

This is not the first time that aid shipments have been announced as
imminent.  In late July, Boutros Ghali got a UN order to start airlifts,
but as of August 5, only *one* had been made, and that coincided with
the visit of a French minister of health and humanitarian affairs to
Somalia (he expressed shock and horror at the mass deaths by starvation).

My fear is that these Pentagon shipments could turn into "token gestures"
if the public assumes that "the situation is now taken care of" and
turns away its attention.

This response by the Bush Administration is surely a result of international
outcries and pressure--and some of this was certainly generated by the
sterling humanitarians of peacenet and our sister networks.

We must keep up this pressure, to ensure that deliveries expand to the
amounts truly needed and *continue* until the population is out of danger.

Many people have worked on this cause, and are probably quite fatigued.
But new people are becoming involved.  I hope the old people will take a
break and then send *one more fax* or make *one more phone call*.  I hope
the new people will "take up the torch" and start faxing and phoning like
mad.  As the International Red Cross said in July, "millions of lives
depend on our capacity to care."

(P.S. "old people"  --it's all right if you send a lot more faxes than one,
of course.)

Thanks so much.
Dorothy
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 01:08:20 CDT
From: Mary Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: CLINTON TEXT: VIOLENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA

CLINTON SPEECH TEXT IS NOW POSTED ON ALT.POLITICS.CLINTON

SEND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INFORMATION TO THE
CLINTON/GORE CAMPAIGN AT 75300.3115@COMPUSERVE.COM
(This information is posted for public education purposes.  It does
not necessarily represent the views of The University.)
========================================================================
Statement By Gov. Clinton on Violence In South Africa
June 29, 1992

        I am deeply concerned about recent developments in South Africa.
     Last week's tragic massacre of more than 40 people, including nine
     children, in the black township of Boipatong has led to the suspension
     of the negotiations to end apartheid.
        Over the past two years, South Africans have made tremendous
     progress toward establishing a nonracial democracy. But that goal is
     now seriously threatened by the calculated acts of violence that are
     ravaging townships such as Boipatong.
        We Americans cannot afford to turn a blind eye to South Africa. The
     stakes are too high. Thousands of lives, black and white, hang in the
     balance. And without peace in South Africa, hopes for the democratic
     revolution underway in other parts of the continent are diminshed.
        I urge President Bush to convey to President de Klerk in the
     strongest terms our concern about continuing reports of violence in
     the townships. These reports must be thoroughly investigated and those
     responsible for the Boipatong massacre brought to justice.
        I hope that our government will also convey to all parties our
     belief that immediate steps must be taken to end the violence and
     re-establish a climate of trust for negotiations.
        Nelson Mandela and the ANC have called on the United Nations
     Security Council to convene an emergency session to address the
     current crisis in South Africa. I urge our government to encourage the
     Secretary General to do so.


End of Statement
From: manhica@icaen.uiowa.edu (Artur Simiao Manhica)
Subject: Re: UPI: Mozambique president and rebel leader aim for peace by Oct 19
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:01:33 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

kauta, you hit right on the nose...Chissano is about to face one of his biggest
challenges, he must be careful.  Afonso Dlakama who had once a broken leg in Maputo general hospital, jumped the window and ran away from his guard.  The guard later killed himself.  The Mozambican situation is extremelly chaotic, that
if we take into account that neither Frelimo nor Renamo are in full control
of their troops.  Frelimo's soldiers sell their weapons for food, while Renamo's
thugs are the worst nightmare one could face...a perfect killing machine who
has no political aim nor goal.  Peace?!?!?!?!? Mozambicans HOPE and DREAM!
Is Dlakama serious?  Is any bandit serious?
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:58 PDT
Subject: Somalia: some food on way at la
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700067:000:2591
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 16 12:58:00 1992


My hometown paper headlines:

PENTAGON TO AIRLIFT FOOD TO SOMALIA

U.S. fears 'mass death by starvation'

Compiled from News Services.

   WASHINGTON.  Moving to alleviate "mass death by starvation" in Somalia,
President Bush on Friday ordered the Pentagon to begin emergency airlifts of
food as soon as possible.
     However, a State Department official said the airlift will be able
to deliver *only a small portion of the food that is needed* [emphasis
added by dmorse].
     In addition, the United States intends to seek approval for a U.N.
Security Council resolution "that would authorize the use of additional
measures to ensure that humanitarian relief can be delivered," White House
spokesman Marlin Fitzwater said.
     Starvation brought on by drought and civil war in the East African
nation has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of Somalians, and aid
workers say that the toll could increase by 1.5 million people within
weeks.  Somalia's population is estimated at between 4.5 million to 6
million.
     "Because armed bands are stealing and hoarding food, as well as attacking
international relief workers, the primary challenge that the international
community faces is the delivery of relief supplies," Fitzwater said.
   U.S. military aircraft will begin the airlift to locations inside
Somalia "where there is sufficient security to support these relief
operations" as well as to refugee camps inside neighboring Kenya, the
statement said.
     A White House official said the airlift is expected to begin within days
to four or five areas in southern and central Somalia where the need is most
desperate.  Until now, most U.S. food aid has been sent to the capital,
Mogadishu, with little of the food reaching the rest of the country.
     Pentagon officials said that a team of military specialists, probably
from special operations units, would be dispatched immediately to Somalia
to survey the security and the physical adequacy of four airfields in the
country's hinterlands.  It was not known how many Americans would be
involved....
     The airlift is expected to carry at least 145,000 tons of food to
four airports, mostly in southern and central regions,in an effort to
bypass the warring bands in the vicinity of the nation's capital,
Mogadishy.

    Officials were unable to say *how many flights would be involved* [emphasis
added by dmorse[] or how many military crews would take part...
     ...A more extensive supply of food from ships is under consideration
within the administration and would involve overland convoys from seaports
or Kenya.

Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
From: spel@hippo.ru.ac.za (Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression
Organization: Katatura State Hospital, Windhoek, Namibia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:48:11 GMT

Mr Tradoux,

I seem to recall you mentioned kill files recently. Could you
perhaps advise me, how I can in NN as my newsreader put
your address in a kill file?

I think, this is of general interest, warranting crossposting.


el
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: eric_rosenberg@psych.nwu.edu (Eric Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Followup-To: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics,apc.reg.safrica
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.112312.28056@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>,
gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) wrote:
> 
> Why is this important? Because it could lead to the capture of the state
> by partisan ethnic interests, leading to an irreparable tear in
> the social fabric of the kind now witnessed in Yugoslavia and Northern
> Ireland. Nothing is more important here politically.
> 
> Gavan Tredoux
> UCT

South Africa's social fabric as been irreparabley torn (at least as it
currently stands) for a very long time.  It's simply the priviledged
minority of whites who can't see that from their garden windows.  A peace
based on the unwilling backs of the black majority is no peace worth
preserving.  Violence does not necessarily need to be the answer, but using
the prospect of possible violence (against the white minority) is not
reason enough to maintain the status quo.

Eric Rosenberg
From: fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Ban Chiang Civilization
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:09:52 GMT
Organization: Kent Gateway
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu


SwadDee Krub,

This must be my 3rd or so posting soliciting discussion about
the archeological finding at  Ban Chiang (Near  Udonthani).
According to the dating, some clay, porcelain, bronze artifacts
are as old as 8000 years!, predating those in Mesopotamia.
Their knowledge in cultivating (wet) rice farm is believed to
be equally old. Who are these people?  Thai, Chinese, Khmer,
or Ronald Regan's relatives? :-)

What about the finding at the new site in PhanasNicom near
Chonburi? I've heard that the artifacts are even more extensive
and the civilization is even older, about 10,000-12,000 year!

Any speculation just for the fun of it?

I wonder why all the pottery of the old time all over the world
shares a similarity in that they all seem to have a 'pot-neck'
which is the narrowest opening of the pottery. Did they know
something that we don't?


-Tawit
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 09:13:18 CDT
From: Arnatt Klinsong <U45923@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: testing. disreguard..

..
From: kamol@munnari.oz.AU (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Aug 20: Kasem defends "mirror" assembly
Date: 20 Aug 1992 07:03:45 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Kasem adds weight to mirror assembly
     THE proposal to set up a mirror assembly is not damaging and 
will not spoil the political atmosphere surrounding the general 
election, PollWatch Commission chairman Kasem Suwannagul said 
yesterday.
     Dr Kasem, also deputy prime minister and university affairs 
bureau minister, said there was nothing wrong with the idea and 
academics should not be afraid to express their opinion.
     A group of 115 persons, led by respected political scientist 
Prof Chai-Anan Samudavanija, petitioned His Majesty the King 
recently to appoint a National Assembly, comprising 
representatives from all walks of life, to serve as a forum where 
people could express their wishes and opinions for the Parliament 
to consider and to promote ideas on constitutional amendments.
     They also urged His Majesty to delay royal endorsement of the 
charter amendment requiring the prime minister to be an elected MP 
until a new government is formed.
     This was primarily aimed at preventing the status of 
non-elected Prime Minister Anand Panyarachun from being put to 
question.
     Dr Kasem said those who do not agree with the idea also have 
the right to express their opinion.
     "But academics value freedom of expression more than anything 
else. I do not think that the mirror assembly proposal has spoiled 
the election atmosphere because the Constitution has already been 
amended and no one can change that," Dr Kasem said.
     He said the academics also respect the opinion of others 
which in itself is a great quality and those who cannot accept 
different opinions lack that spirit.
     On the criticism that if the academics were looking for a 
political role they should run for Parliament, Dr Kasem said there 
were many ways to participate in politics but the more important 
question was what steps one must take to strengthen the system.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: noi@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Nittida Nuansri)
Subject: Re: Someone's account
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:55:54 GMT

nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit) writes:

>I do not know if you feel interested in this thing or not.
>Try finger this account "anand@chulkn.chula.ac.th".

But the last login to this account is "Fri Jul 24 ", which (I think)
is the very early day of 'chulkn'.

>I think you know whose account is this.
>What good do you think we can do with this knowledge?

What much we can do if the owner of the account never logs in to or hardly 
uses it?

Sorry to for the negative idea, but that's what I'm familiar with
'important' people's accounts being existed.

>Sunchai Nilsuwankosit


Nittida
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: Oh Yea
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:05:33 GMT

circuit@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Circuit) writes:


>	Thanks for all the people who have replied to me about Samut
>Sakhon..But funny thing is is that my friend replied to me now! Talk
>about timing...

>	
>One more thing...Someone posted I believe an article about a Thai
>festival in Chicago coming up some time soon... If anyone has any information
>about it could you please forward it to me...

>Thanks so much!

Read the announcement posted by Sirisombatwatana "Thai Heritage Day" in this
s.c.t. You may have to hurry since it has been in for some time now and may 
be erase in any hour. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: cslac2216@bestsd.sdsu.edu (UNALOME TECHAMUANVIVIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Ban Chiang Civilization
Summary: civilization
Keywords: Ban Chiang Civilization
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:22:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <9208201309.AA01567@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov>, fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon)  writes...
>  
>I wonder why all the pottery of the old time all over the world
>shares a similarity in that they all seem to have a 'pot-neck'
>which is the narrowest opening of the pottery. Did they know
>something that we don't?

I have no idea why that pottery of the old times shares a similarity.  But to 
me, the fact that some ancient artifacts from different cultures look similar
is not surprising at all.  For instance, Pyramids of Egypt and Stair-step 
Pyramids of the Inca and Maya of South America are somewhat similar, though
those two cultures were seperated by the great Pacific Ocean.  And in my 
opinion, our Jee-Dii- YOO" Mum- Mai^ Sib'SOOng+ of Thailand look somewhat 
similar to the Stair Pyramid of South America too.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Ban Chiang Civilization
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:39:03 GMT


Khun Unalome responded to my post about BanChiang:

>
>I have no idea why that pottery of the old times shares a similarity.  But to 
>me, the fact that some ancient artifacts from different cultures look similar
>is not surprising at all.  For instance, Pyramids of Egypt and Stair-step 
>Pyramids of the Inca and Maya of South America are somewhat similar, 

My guess is that tapered design (pyramidal) is the only expedient design
of a high-rise in the past. This is because they didn't know how to support
the weight vertically yet; so they supported it horizontally by having
as large a base as possible. The leaning tower of Pisa (in Italy) is
the best evidence of a design of highrise with a narrow base.

About the uniformity of pottery design, I got a couple of emails.
One asked if I was toying with the idea that alien beings
from outerspace were our forefather. The other suggested that
the flared-neck design was 1.) for easiness in storage (ie, stacking
them up) 2.) It minimized exposure area of the food and the ambient air,
thus helped preserve the food for a longer period of time.

I just speculated another theory that, the flared-neck design might be
the only expedient design for strength of the pottery. You just can't
lift a heavy (fully-loaded) pot with a fragile handle (since clay in those
day maynot have enough strength.) A flared-neck would be perfect for
this purpose since the entire circumferential clay help support
the weight.

I also ran into 'Insight Guides Thailand' ( A very insightful tour book
indeed.) Here's an excerpt concerning BanChiang:

....Subsequent excavations have unearth pottery and other artifacts dated
by thermoluminescence at between 7000 and 8000 years old.

At first most archaeologists hesitated to venture broad theories about
the BanChiang finds. But further study, mainly conducted by a team
from the University of Pennsylvania has convinced many of the skeptics
that an agrarian bronze-making civilization first appeared not in
Mesopotamia or China, but in southeeast Asia...........End excerpt.

>though
>those two cultures were seperated by the great Pacific Ocean.  And in my 
>opinion, our Jee-Dii- YOO" Mum- Mai^ Sib'SOOng+ of Thailand look somewhat 
>similar to the Stair Pyramid of South America too.  
>
I'm glad that not only me had seen the similarity of Mai^Sib'Song+
design between the Mayan and our Thai stupa. This is purely artistic
and have nothing to do with practicality. We might have shared a
common forefather from outerspace, after all :-)

-Tawit

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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Help Our Unfortunate Kids
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:46:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BsvqLo.Arq
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The Thai Association of Illinois has also founded the Thai-Illinois Project
which collects donations to be sent to projects and foundations which are
dealing with children in Thailand. Last year, the Thai-Illinois Project has
sent donations and cloths to:

	1. MuunNi^Thi^Dek' (Children Foundation)	$3,000
	2. MuunNi^Thi^Saang"San+Dek' (Children Promotion Foundation [?]) 
							 3,000
	3. MuunNi^Thi^Saeng+Thien (Candle Light Foundation)
							 2,000
	4. KongThunChui"Dek'(Help Children Fund)         2,000
	5. MuunNi^Thi^Dek'Oonn'NaiSa'Lam (Help Slum's Baby Foundation)
							 1,000
	About 2,000 and 1,000 pieces of clothing were also sent to MuunNi^
Thi^Saang"San+Dek' and MuunNi^Thi^Saeng+Thien, respectively.

	Those who want to help the children via this Thai-Illinois Project,
please send your donations to:

		Thai-Illinois Project
		Thai Association of Illinois
		1050 Julia Court
		Glencoe, IL 60022

	The donation is tax excempted (Tax Exemp. No. 36-3206081).

Thai-Illinois Project Board of Directors:

	President: Sangworn Ratanarak
	Members:   Suthinee Janlongjariya, Ph.D.
		   Suriya Saengngern
		   Suchitra Boonrueng
		   Nuanla-or Sampim
		   Pongsee Ratanakul
		   Janpen Satisarat
		   Orravee Puengcherdchoo
		   Paisarn Indrarakhamhaeng
		   Renoo Sukontarot
		   Ek-anan Sangkoraneeyawan
        Treasurers: Busara Thepchatri
		   Pornthip Chaipipat
		   Nantana Sukakij
	Public Relations:
		   Prayoon Thuengwiset
		   Lerwut Wongsarnpikul, M.D.
		   Ocha Ponpiboon
		   Chumpon Chareonpiem
	Secretary: Wanida Sodseethong

	Advosory Board:
		   Pipit Jiemmongkolthip, M.D.
		   Saipin Wora-urai
		   Prasit Netisingha
		   Swaeng Chamnankij
		   Wirat Rijiranuwat, M.D.
		   Eium Thamsujarit
		   President, Thai Association of Illinois 
		   President, Northern Thai Association
		   President, Thai Nurse Association
		   President, Southern Thai Association
		   President, Thai Engineer Association
		   President, Thai Golf Association

	I wish the above information should assure of the credibility of 
the Thai-Illinois Project. Anyone who wishes to pass your kindness to the 
children who need in Thailand, please make any possible donations. Though
I don't have any association whatsoever which the organizations, may I 
express my appreciation in advance for your generosity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Thailand/Vn to sign rice agreement (from SEASIA-L)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:44:23 GMT
Keywords: Thailand, Vietnam, rice


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