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From: rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Keybindings in ATK "ez" multi-media editor
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:59:12 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.soft-sys.andrew: 9-Apr-92 Keybindings in ATK
"ez" mul.. Greg McFarlane@otc.otca. (527)

>  How about keybinding for the other menu items? Is there a general way
> to map keys to functions?

The deskey package (help deskey) provides several proctable entries for
obtaining information on available functions and their current
keybindings.  There is no direct way to establish which functions are
bound to what menu items without looking at the source unfortunately. 
Other packages of interest when dealing with bindings are: metax and
ness.

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Toolkit Consortium
p.s. the release after the CDROM release will have most key equivalents
for menu options displayed on the menus.
From: rasure@nell.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: symbol _f_exit
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:48:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37429


In "symbol _f_exit", Harold Garbeil~ writes:
+ I recently acquired and built khoros on a Sun4.  Most of the system compiled 
+ smoothly except for about 10 occurences of an undefined symbol message given
+ by the 'ld'. The symbol that is undefined is _f_exit.  This message occured 
+ when trying to build some of the fourier programs ( ...vipl/transform2d/vfft)
+ and some of the warp programs.   Any ideas on where the problem may reside.

It seems most of the mail these days has to do with compile problems.  
Every system seems to be just a bit different, in your case, you need
to check to see what Fortran compiler you have and what libraries it needs.

Once you have it figured out, modify the sun.cf file, make Makefiles and 
the make depend install.

+ Thanks.
+ Harold
+   
End of message from Harold Garbeil~

The relevant lines in the sun.cf file are:

#define HasFortran YES
#define FortranCmd /usr/lang/f77 -O

#define FortranLibDir /usr/lang/SC1.0.1

#if HasFortran
#undef ForSysLibs
#define ForSysLibs -lF77
#endif

What you need to do is figure out if you need more than just -lF77.

Also, please read the FAQ about compiling under 4.1.2 - problems with ld.
From: jogl@tolkien.imsd.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#)
Subject: tools around KHOROS (a hint)
Organization: Institut f. Med. Statistics @ Dokumentation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 09:28:51 GMT


hi,

about your posting 894 of comp.soft-sys.khoros:
Subject: import/export of image formats
From: neilb@scs.leeds.ac.uk

GREAT list! that are the little hints that make every-day-life easy!

maybe one more from our side:
                               ====
we frequently use a tool called XV.
                               ====
it is from Jogn Bradley (bradley@cis.upenn.edu)

and has some VERY GOOD options:

- Nice b/w-dithering on monochrom stations,
- interactiv ZOOM-in and ENLARGE at display-time,
- can display *.PPM, *.GIF, *.JPEG, SUNRASTER etc. files.
- LOT MORE FEATURES (PostScript etc.)
                                                                   
with viff2pbm you can transform your Khoros-Files
to view it with XV. it works great.
-- 
  ___            ------------------------------------- 
 /  /  _____    !  jogl@tolkien.imsd.rwth-aachen.de   !
 __/__/_/ Gl    !  Inst. f. Med. Stat. & Doku. (IMSD) !
/_/             !  Aachen, Germany, Europe, Earth     !
From: mike@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Mike McDonnell)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros as an Open System (please read and discuss)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:19:32 GMT
Organization: Engineer Topographic Labs, Ft. Belvoir, VA

rasure@snidley.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure) writes:


>                     KHOROS AS AN OPEN SYSTEM
>With this message we hope to establish what the mutual 
>responsibilities are for the Khoros Group and for the User Community.

>Khoros is a freely available and open software system because
>this provides the Khoros Group with the best working environment
>in which to further the research and development of the software.

>If you are benefitting from using Khoros (individual, working
>group, company, university), you can support the Khoros project
>in a number of ways.

>Community           Contributions are made by completing ports,
>                    by donating software, and by answering questions 
>		    posted to the mailing list or the
>                    comp.soft-sys.khoros newsgroup.  We greatly
>                    appreciate the participation of individuals
>                    in the user community.

As with any freely ftp'able source code, there is no problem with
this.  Support of the internet user community is guaranteed if you
leave the code freely available.  The gnu project has shown us all
what high quality of code and support derives from an involved and
enthusiastic user community.  Free code is the key to this support.

>Consortium          Redistribution licenses of Khoros are available 
>		    by joining the Khoros Consortium as a
>                    Supporting Member ($50K or $5K Universities)
>                    or as an Affiliate Member ($5K).  The benefits 
>		    of membership include royalty-free
>                    redistribution and participation in the
>                    specification and implementation of Khoros.

If khoros is "freely available and open", then what is a
"Redistribution license" and what is "royalty-free redistribution"?
We cannot base system development on a "free" system that may become
unfree in the future.  What can you offer us in the way of assurances 
that khoros will continue to be free?  Without these assurances, I do
not think you will get the level of user commitment you need to make
khoros really take off.  If it does take off, then the experiences of
the X Window System and the GNU project prove to me that the users
will become a self-supporting entity and the source of much of the
future content of khoros.  I hope that this comes true, since I very
much like the concept and execution of khoros and its array of
supporting software.

>The Khoros Group intends to continue the open distribution of
>Khoros and provide limited e-mail support.  The extent to which
>we succeed depends on the efforts of both the User Community and
>the Khoros Group.

>We invite an open discussion of these issues.  

We out here in the user community can provide much of the support.
All we need is the assurance of free code to unleash our enthusiasm.
For my part, I will try to answer peoples queries as best I can.

>John Rasure, Project Director
From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros Starting Troubles
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:52:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37453

Hi,

On Apr 14,  5:54, Gregory Donald Carson wrote:
} Subject: Khoros Starting Troubles
>> Three posts, ...er..... , messages and questions
>> 
>>  (1) Help!,
>> 
>>         I have ftp'd, and ./ installit'd the khoros data, src, and system
>> files.  The compile and installation seemed to go fine.  I have set up my

Did you check the make.World file in $KHOROS_HOME/src to make sure
that all the routines compiled?

>> environment, made sure there was a path statement to the khoros binaries,
>> put the sample .Xdefaults into my .Xdefaults file, and I source the
>> .khoros_env file which is in my home directory.
>>         I have been able to use some things such as vshrink to verify that
>> the program is working, however, and this is the problem, I cant seem to be
>> able to use any of the 'good' stuff.
>>         Here is a sampling of the things I have tried
>> 
>>         cantata (example from Getting Started)
>>         animate
>>         editimage
>>         viewimage
>>         xprism2
>>         xprism3

It sounds like all the information processing routines compiled, but not
the X-applications. Make sure these compile and loaded. look in the
make.World file and make sure the binary exisits in $KHOROS_HOME/bin.

If all is well in the make.World and the executables exist in $KHOROS_HOME/bin,
then cd into $KHOROS_HOME/bin and try running one of the applications such as
xprism2.

If all above fails, please mail me back your system configuration:
Machine type, OS, windowing system, window manager.

Also, check the FAQ to make sure your problem is not listed.

>> 

      [ the rest deleted ]
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu
}-- End of excerpt from Gregory Donald Carson

Good Luck,

Tom


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From: gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu (Gregory Donald Carson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: HELP
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:32:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37411


Hello Khoros Users,

	I was also wondering if there was anyway to start the overall
khoros prorgam once I am in the X windows environment.  As I described in a
letter just previous I think I installed all the necessary stuff, and really
want to be able to use this program, but have not been able to get any of the
good stuff to work.
	I keep searching through the bin directory and trying commands
but so far none of the reall cool things I have heard so much about and want
to use to build my programs from has poped up.
	Please pardon the excessive mail from me, and thanks for your help

Greg
From: jan@math.chalmers.se (Jan Stein)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: patch 5 problem
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:23:10 GMT


The problem comes from using several lex & yacc parsers in the Khoros system.
So the khoros group has added a sed pass to the yacc compiling. But they
forgot to update all the lex files. This shows if you compile with -Bdynamic
or if you use the poly function in dspl-library. To fix this insert the code
included at the end of this letter after the line:

#include "y.tab.h"

in the file $KHOROS_HOME/src/dspl/Lib/poly_lex.l and recompile the
dspl-library.

	Good Luck!
	Jan Stein

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
/*
 *  Kludge to allow you to use more than one lex & yacc parser when compiling
 *  within the khoros system.
 */

/* re-define routines */
#define yyparse       dspl_parse
#define yylex         dspl_lex
#define yyerror       dspl_error

/* re-define structures & variables */
#define yylval        dspl_lval
#define yyval         dspl_val
#define yyv           dspl_v
#define yychar        dspl_char
#define yyerrflag     dspl_errflag
#define yyexca        dspl_exca
#define yyact         dspl_act
#define yypact        dspl_pact
#define yypgo         dspl_pgo
#define yyr1          dspl_r1
#define yyr2          dspl_r2
#define yychk         dspl_chk
#define yydef         dspl_def
#define yynerrs       dspl_nerrs
#define yysptr        dspl_sptr
/*
#define yyin          dspl_in
#define yyout         dspl_out
#define yysvec        dspl_svec
#define yybgin        dspl_bgin
 */
#define yylineno      dspl_lineno
#define yyprevious    dspl_previous
#define yylook        dspl_look
#define yyvstop       dspl_stop
#define yycrank       dspl_crank
#define yytop         dspl_top
#define yymatch       dspl_match
#define yyextra       dspl_extra
#define yyback        dspl_back
#define yyinput       dspl_input
#define yyoutput      dspl_output
#define yyunput       dspl_unput
From: rasure@nell.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros complaints
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:34:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37297


Perhaps I don't need to answer this mail ... you may of had more time and
found the features you are asking for.

In "Khoros complaints", Arthur T. Manning writes:
+ 1) File name entry is primitive.  Develop standard file browsing
+    dialog like Mac or PC windows, rather than requiring entire path
+    to be typed.

If you click on the "label" to the left of a filename box, a browser pops
up.  This is covered in the getting started doc in Chapter 1.

+ 
+ 2) Color tables have problems.  I attempt to display multiple images
+    on an HP720, and it appears as though each image window uses a
+    seperate color table, for example several images of the same intensity
+    will all look different depending on which one is in front.  This
+    prevents me from visually comparing images.

There are several questions that answer this in the FAQ.

+ 
+ Any plans for allowing animation, like monitrol?  Our plan now is
+ to establish a 'live' link to monitrol via rpc pipes.

Have you looked at the "animate" program in Khoros, or are you talking about
something much different.

+ 
+ Arthur T. Manning   <manning@halley.est.3m.com>  
+ 3M Center 518-1    St Paul MN  55144-1000        \___/______         
+ ph. 612 733-4401   fax 612 736-3122             __  / _ _ _  \
+ Allin1--> <MANNING @MRGATE @EST780>            (_/_/_/ / / /_/      <><
+ 
End of message from Arthur T. Manning
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:56:44 GMT
Subject: problems with patch 5 and dspl
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros

I am trying to compile khoros patch 5 on HP-UX.
Everything seems to be compiling OK, but I am having problems
with the dspl library.

Specifically, on a s400, the linker fails with

   _dspl_lex
   _yylval

undefined externals on: dspl/filter_1Dtime/dfilter
                  and   dspl/filter_1Dfreq/dzresp

It links happily on the other routines, even though it uses the same
libraries, but this does not mean that it generates good code.

On the s700, it links with no error messages, but the dfilter binaries
generate junk.

Has anyone else seen these problems? To the khoros people:
Where is that _dspl_lex ? My greps could not find anything.
Shared or archive libraries don't make any difference for this problem.

Thanks
K. Konstantinides
kk@hpkronos.hpl.hp.com
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: problems with patch 5 and dspl
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:56:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpl-opus.86790013
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

The following seems to work.

cd /src/dspl/Lib
rm poly_yacc.c poly_yacc.o poly_lex.o

make install

This eliminated the ld errors on dfilter and dzresp.

However, I was informed that by mistake they put a buggy version of dfilter in
the patch 5 release.

Konstantin

Soon: Full details on compiling khoros under HP-UX
From: moyarzun@bbn.com (Miguel Oyarzun)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: problems with patch 5 and dspl
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:01:07 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides) writes:

>I am trying to compile khoros patch 5 on HP-UX.
>Everything seems to be compiling OK, but I am having problems
>with the dspl library.

[stuff deleted]

>On the s700, it links with no error messages, but the dfilter binaries
>generate junk.

>Has anyone else seen these problems? 

I recently installed patch 5 on our SGI 4D-35 running Irix 3.3 and have
also had problems with 'dfilter' generating garbage data... Have not
had a chance to look into the cause yet.

[more stuff deleted]

>Thanks
>K. Konstantinides
>kk@hpkronos.hpl.hp.com

Miguel Oyarzun
moyarzun@bbn.com
From: harold@baby.pgd.hawaii.edu (Harold Garbeil~)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: eigenvector analysis
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37504

I have only been working with Khoros for a few days so I am not very up on
the scenarios for some relative basic image processing tasks.  I am trying
to generate principal component images of multispectral images.  I have 
attempted to do this using the routines of mcovar (to get a covariance
matrix) and then meigen to generate the eigenvectors.  I have tried this
along with band2vect as its my impression that mcovar needs a matrix as
input.  This results in a core dump, on a 3 banded, 256 x 256 byte image. 
I have tried mcovar without using band2vect which then allows meigen to
complete.  This results in a complex matrix which I haven't figured out 
how to look at.  I would appreciate if someone could provide me with the
correct scenario for generating a PC image and retrieving the eigenvector
information.  
As a next step, I would like to calculate the covariance matrix and 
transformation loadings based only upon pixels within a polygon, masking
out all values external to the polygon. The scenario on this would also
be appreciated.  Thank you
From: david@lvd1.bme.ohio-state.edu (David)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: mailing list
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:15:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37489

Hi there:

Please remove me from your mailing list!
From: NAME =
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: repost: processing 16 bit images
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:07:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37440

Hi,

We are intersted to process 16 bit images with Khoros. As far as I can see
most of the "Classification, Morphology and Segmentation" routines do only
work with 8 bit images. 
Did anybody ever write new routines in this field that allow to process 16
bit images, or did anybody ever try to modfiy existing routines in respect
to make them run with 16 bit images?


I look forward to here from you,

---Stefan



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European Molecular Biology Laboratory |  Tel: 0049 - 6221 - 387532
6900 Heidelberg, Germany              |  Fax: 0049 - 6221 - 387306
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From: scherer@sdisu1.den.mmc.com (Wade Scherer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Reading PC files
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37458

Hi, 

I've been trying to use khoros to read imagery created using a 80386 PC.  After reading the images, the image looks like salt and pepper on a uniform gray background.  Statistical analysis gave NaN's for max, min, etc.  This leads me to conclude that the data is coming in as garbage.  

I used input file and raw2viff.  Using raw2viff, I tried local machine (Sparc2), IBM RT, (the other IBM option, forget what it was), RS6000, and SGI (tried SGI because I know that SGI and Sun are byte swapped.  

The images were written on a PC in REAL*4 format (IEEE754).  I used PCFS to read the data onto the Sparc.  Any ideas on this one?

Also, has anyone contributed any grey scale morphology routines for use under cantata?  

Thanks
Wade Scherer -- scherer@sdisu1.den.mmc.com
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: russ@skorpio.Usask.CA (Russ Muzzolini)
Subject: X11R5, SUN OS 4.1.1, and dynamic librarys
Reply-To: russ@skorpio.Usask.CA (Russ Muzzolini)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:09:31 GMT

Has anyone had problems with the Khoros binaries for a SparcStation when compiled
under  X11R5 and SUN OS 4.1.1 using dynamic libs?  I compiled the binaries successfully
but seem to have problems executing any binary which makes calls to the "xv" libs.
I get the following error

Bus error (core dumped)

when I try to execute the above type of binaires.

Russ.
From: bill@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Bill Roth)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: FAQ for Khoros?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:16:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Physical Sciences Lab


Sorry for the annoyance, but where is the FAQ, and like matter, kept
for Khoros?
-- 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Roth,  University of Wisconsin Physical Sciences Laboratory
Internet:bill@psl.wisc.edu. NeXTMAIL blithely accepted. 608-873-6651
From: rasure@borris.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Put your Khoros Contributions on PPRG
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:54:52 GMT


There is now a mechanism in place for you to deposit Khoros related
ideas, workspaces, data, programs, toolboxes on pprg.  We will not
maintain anything that is contributed, other than delete it if
its purpose is not documented.

Thanks .....

====================================

         Here is the .msgs file I place in contrib:

This is the contrib directory.  It is for those Khoros users that want
to make toolboxes, workspaces, bugfixes, etc. available to the rest of
the Khoros user community.  ftp to pprg.eece.unm.edu (129.24.24.10) and login 
as "contrib", then install your contribution.

     The contrib directory will be periodically cleaned up.
     Please include a README.{unique name} file with your
     contribution and compress your files before placing them here.
     All contributions without README's will be deleted.

     If you have any questions or problems mail ftp@pprg.eece.unm.edu.


====================================

Here is an example session.

	ftp pprg.eece.unm.edu
	Name (pprg:myname): contrib
	Password: myname@whatsammata.edu
	ftp> bin
	ftp> put mystuff.tar.Z
	ftp> put README.mystuff


	mystuff .... MUST be unique and clearly document what "mystuff" is.
From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Parser fix for, jan@math.chalmers.se
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:39:42 GMT

Hi Jan,


On Apr 10, 12:22, Jan Stein wrote:
} Subject: Re: Parser fix for, jan@math.chalmers.se
>> From jan@math.chalmers.se Fri Apr 10 12:22:25 1992
>> Return-Path: <jan@math.chalmers.se>
>> Received: from math.chalmers.se (mathsun1.math.chalmers.se) by chama.eece.unm.edu (4.1/VISION/16Oct91)
>> 	id <9204101803.AA28990@chama.eece.unm.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:03:25 MDT
>> Posted-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:03:20 +0200
>> Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:03:25 MDT
>> From: Jan Stein <jan@math.chalmers.se>
>> Message-Id: <9204101803.AA29012@math.chalmers.se>
>> Received: from galois.math.chalmers.se by math.chalmers.se id AA29012; Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:03:21 +0200
>> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:03:20 +0200
>> Received: by galois.math.chalmers.se id AA21831; Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:03:20 +0200
>> To: khoros@chama.eece.unm.edu
>> In-Reply-To: Tom Sauer's message of Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:17:06 -0600 <9204101517.AA09831@bullwinkle.eece.unm.edu>
>> Subject: Re: Parser fix for, jan@math.chalmers.se
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, the fix at least lets you link Khoros with shared libraries which
>> wasn't possible before.
>> 
>> 	Cheers,
>> 	Jan Stein

I hope my mail did not offend you, It sure was not intended. I appreciate 
your reply and your fix. I just did not want a bunch of folks to waste 
their time in trying to fix the problem, when we will hopefully have
a solution posted later today. 

Also, we have found some other problem that are causing the problems
that you worked around.

Anyway, thanks for sending your reply off to the mailing list. It is users
like you who not only contribute to the enchancements of Khoros, but 
help us track down problems like these.

Again, sorry if I offended you.

>> 
>> 
}-- End of excerpt from Jan Stein


Regards,

Tom Sauer