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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:02:00 EDT
From:         "FRANK VASTOLA @ CANISIUS AAP" <VASTOLA@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Civil War films

>From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
>I found Glory to be be dull, full of cliches, and the score was horrible, but
>hey that just my opinion.  I did think that the actors did a good job with
>the limited material they had to work with.

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It doesn't look as though we agree on anything.....

I thought Glory was a very good film.  I disagree strongly about the
quality of the score... the music was inspiring and appropriate...

Glory was not intended to be a movie about the Civil War.... This film
did a great job of telling the story about blacks fighting for the Union
in an effort to free the slaves of the Confederate states (as well as their
white commanding officers)....

This was not intended to be a documentary on battles and generals...
it was a unique attempt to express the human emotions and prejudices of a
diverse group of individuals involved in the most costly war in
American history...

Frank
VASTOLA@CANISIUS  "If you're looking for the bilder, check the card
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:51:00 EST
From:         Navin Ganeshan <NGANESHA@UDCVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Cape Fear (1991) question about actress

    Didn't she also act in The_Doors as a reporter who falls for Jim
    Morrison ?

    She looks a little like Anabella Sciora (sp?) from Jungle fever....

                                                             -Navin
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:23:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Impromptu

Hey, has anyone seen Impromptu?  Rented this the other night and completely
fell in love with Judy Davis in this role.  Lord, she's a fascinating
actress!  Seems that in the past year she's done this, *Barton Fink*, and
*Naked Lunch*, and is strong, strong, in all three, though i could wish she
had been given more to do in *BF* (hark! i've finally found something to
criticize about this one!).  Has she done anything else this past
twelvemonth?  Could we see a filmography for her?  Wasn't she in that
version of Lawrence's *Kangaroo*?  GENERAL HINT: avoid movies with D.H.
Lawrence's name attached like the plague (though actually the recent
version of *The Rainbow* is at least ok, and it's time, i guess, to see
*Women in Love* again before shooting off me mouth too much about it, and
*Sons and Lovers* is coming to AMC in a week or so, and the trailers look
pretty good (Dean Stockwell fans take alert), so i guess i'll take back my
"avoid like the plague" comment; just be wary).

Anyway, i think that Davis alone makes *Impromptu* well worth seeing, and
Bernadette Peters puts in a nice turn as Franz Liszt's frustrated mistress,
with what's her name (married to the Branagh) quite entertaining as a social-
climbing rural aristocrat.  Unfortunately, the cats playing Liszt and Chopin,
are a bit stiff (though the latter thankfully takes on some life and
character towards the end), at least in comparison to Davis' endlessly
fascinating George Sand.  A nice costume drama, featuring some very nice
music (notice especially the four-handed version of Beethoven's Sixth Sym.,
which Liszt did indeed transcribe for piano), and a brilliant portrayal of
one of a very independent and fascinating artist (Sand, that is . . . i'm
not sure that Chopin's brilliance comes through *save* on the soundtrack).

Please let me know what y'all think of this one.

MM
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:12:50 SET
From:         Flavio Baronti the best <S567875@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>
Subject:      Meryl Streep

I think Meryl Streep has won three Oscar for 'Sophie's Choice' and 'The Hunter'
(or something like that..however i mean the movie with De Niro about Vietnam) ,
 and I don't remember the third.....I hope you will tell the solutiont to this
question very soon....
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:42:19 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Academy Awards Trivia

# 3 was Judy Garland for "A Star is Born" (Ithink)
# 6 was Marlon Brando for "Last Tango in Paris"  (Ithink)


Actually, I'm not really sure....but these would be my guesses.

--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:14:00 EDT
From:         PGIORDANO@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Older films
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I have been watching the complete works of Preston Sturges and they beat
almost anything I've seen on the big screen in a long time.
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:27:04 EDT
From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: tv

Navin,

I was about to delete the note that said:

>    Lets hope this is the last word on Veg-O-Matics or any other kitchen
>    appliances.
>
>    Oh well.  Gotta get back to cramming for the GRE.  Wish me luck..:-)

When it hit me ...

Bill Murray's great sex scene in STRIPES  ... you know the one with the spatula
 and an ice cream scoop wasn't it.

"Who's your buddy? Who's your pal?" isn't that how the lines went.

Sorry everyone, just couldn't resist!

 --Stephen

P.S. Navin, Good luck on the GRE.
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Date: 9 Apr 92 19:27:26 GMT
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I disagree ... I thought Glory was an excellent film and it got me
interested in 
the Civil War... that's enough for me to make it good!!
To each their own opinion I guess!!
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:44:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      reversal of fortune

Jennifer, i think you said a while back that we must have similar tastes,
and it must be true, cause i loved this film too.  Irons richly deserved
the award for this portrayal of a much more human monster--because *ambiguous*--
   than this year's winner, and Close is strangely poignant, given how little
she actually *appears* on film (i'm generally chary of voiceovers; seem to
recall thinking it worked ok here, but i'll have to check it out again . . .
over literal i may be, but a voiceover from someone supposed to be in a coma
is, well, a bit *aporetic* for me!).  As for the Dershowitz character being
hard to swallow because so self-serving, well yes, but the film strikes me
as being strangely mimetic in this regard, given the fact that Dershowitz
*himself* seems to me to be hard to swallow because so self-serving!!!
(anyone notice how he just showed up on the Tyson rape trial set one day
before they managed to shut the show down? let's see if he follows through
on this one, now that the lights have been shut off . . .)

a wee cynically,
MichaelM
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

Actors who became stars as result of commercials:
David Leisure (was it Honda?) on to Empty Nest
Jim Varney (for Pine State Milk in North Carolina)
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--Gib
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:59:00 EDT
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stone & The Doors

     I'm going to disagree with whoever said they thought Stone had
made Jim Morrison out to be a "heroic figure".  After seeing The Doors
I felt Stone had made Jim Morrison into what he really was, a victim of
the drug culture of the 60's.  Morrison was I felt a representation of what
the "dark side" of the 60's was all about.

     I felt Stone told the story of Morrison to show that the 60's was not
all love, peace, and beauty (like a lot of the 60's movies make them out to
be).  People died in the 60's as a result of the "drug culture".  Stone I
think used Jim Morrison to symbolize this "dark side" of the 60's.

     The Indian references are all through Morrison's lyrics and poetry, he
himself identified with the American Indian.  Read either "Break on Through"
or "No One Here Gets Out Alive", these both bring out the fact that Morrison
heavily identified with the American Indian.  In my opinion, I don't think
Stone did this to glorify Jim Morrison.  I think he did it because Jim Morrison
actually did identify with the Indians.

     In my opinion The Doors is an excellant representation of the side of
the 60's that no one wants to remember.  Having grown up in this era, I
remember it wasn't all like "The Big Chill", at times you no longer knew who
or what you were and could end up like Jim Morrison - dead.  I think Stone
did an excellant job of telling this "dark side" of the 60's and used the
most ideal person to represent it, Jim Morrison.

Steve Rife
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:22:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Impromptu

Point well taken, David.  I'll consider further before calling those
portrayals stiff again . . . i just wish the characters had a little more
*depth*, or something akin to that . . . Glad you enjoyed the film!

MM
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:53:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Impromptu

Impromptu did have one line many of us can use.  When her lover pleads,
"You promised to love me.", Davis replies, "I promised to try.  I never
promised to succeed."  (Apologies if the quote is not precise.)

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:26:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Age of Innocence
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They are leaving this area - I'll try to put together a summary of all the
activities soon,
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:19:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Catch 22
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The question was does CATCH 22 loose soemthing as a movie - yes
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:40:00 EST
From:         Navin Ganeshan <NGANESHA@UDCVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Sam Kinneason

    Unfortunately, this is NOT just a rumor.  Sam Kinneason (sp?) died in a
    car accident in California on Saturday.  He was returning from his
    honeymoon.  His wife is apparently in critical condition.

    He will be missed....

                                                           -Navin
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:57:59 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Older films

To answer Jim, I don't know of a specific list that concentrates on old
movies but why start one when we do it here?  If you have only recently
signed on CINEMA-L, then it might well appear that recent attention has
centered only on first run/recent films but last year we all got going
on Best Years of Our Lives for awhile.  As far as I'm concerned, we discuss
any and all films.  If there's a particular film you want to discuss, then
by all means, please get your message on here!  I love old films, love watching
AMC and TNT for many that I know as well as those I see for the first time,
love reading about old films.

My thanks to everyone who let Frank know he could lighten up and chill out.

Gayle Williams
University of Georgia LIBRARIES
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:10:43 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kubrick

  The Kill, huh?  Any idea what it's on?  And wasn't he planning to film a
Super Duper Everything You Ever Wanted To Know biography of Napoleon?  I'll
admit that the last place I ever heard any mention of this was in a biography
written in 1974 or thereabouts, but nevertheless it sounded like a big deal
that he'd been planning for quite a while.
  By the way, my nominee for the wonkiest double feature ever: A Clockwork
Orange and The Wizard of Oz.  The punchline is that the Brown Film Society
actually showed this last spring.

                                  Rob
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:18:12 EDT
From:         "3669/Jonathan Lord" <3669jml@PRIME.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Casablanca

Over this past weekend I read a couple of newspaper stories about Ted
Turner releasing a "restored" print of CASABLANCA for a limited theatrical
release to commemorate the 50th anniversary of its original release.  I
understand that this treatment of CASABLANCA is the same thing that was
done by Turner for GONE WITH THE WIND in 1989 and last year for CITIZEN
KANE.  I saw restored releases of both GWTW and CK and thought that they
both looked fantastic, considering they were made 50 years ago.  The
articles said that the marketing strategy is to put CASABLANCA into
theatrical release to generate interest in the release, later this year,
of the restored version on video.  Judging from past experience, the
restored CASABLANCA should be a real treat to see in all of its glory
on the big screen!  Has anyone seen it yet?  I don't know if it is
coming to my area; I'm going to contact the theatre that had CITIZEN
KANE last summer and see if they have it on their schedule.

Earlier, someone wondered if there would be any interest in generating
more discussion of older, or classic, films.  I would be very interested
in joining in any discussions of this nature.  I think what Ted Turner
is doing with the classics he owns is worthy of a discussion all by itself.
Colorization aside, I think that Turner is doing a tremendous job in
preserving the American film heritage.  I know that I will get flamed
for that statement.

Here's looking at you, kid.

Jonathan Lord  /  University of Virginia  /  Charlottesville  Virginia
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:51:00 CST
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Subject:      Re: CIvil War Films

oooooh ooooh ooooh! i've got a civil war film that hasn't been mentioned yet,
The good, The bad, and The ugly? The Outlaw Josey Wales? (deja vu?)

jim(ice9)
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:56:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Stone & The Doors
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In response to Steve's position on the Door, Oliver Stone, and American
Indians: I have read the books he listed, but I don't recall the
heavy emphasis on identification with Indians; I certainly can't
remember any discussion of Morrison's soul being taken over by
an Indian shaman; I do, however, defer to Steve in these matters.
His interpretation of the film THE DOORS indicates to me that
perhaps this film is Stone's most successful effort as far
as ambiguity is concerned. I thought the film tried to deify
Morrison, Steve suggests otherwise. I will say that no matter
how one interprets the film, as a continuous stretch of
celuloid THE DOORS is one of the worst movies I've seen
in a long time (dull and stupid in my opinion) JFK on the
other hand was brillantly made but totally evil.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:06:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      An old film, and also Kafka

OK, who saw The Ten Commandments on ABC tonight? I almost
barfed when I saw "Edited for Television", but I actually
sat through the whole thing AND all the commercials, with
only one peanut butter sandwich along the way. Now I'm proud,
I haven't watched that much TV in about a year. Also, the
Parting of the Red Sea was much better in my memory, but
the last time I saw it was ten years ago or so--guess I was
more impressible :-) then.

(I mean that much TV on a single night, of course :-)

Some of the cuts were just too obvious. F*** this TV editing
crap, really. (I'm sorry.)

So much for "old films" tonight :-).

Hang on: minuscule spoilers for Kafka ahead... We will return
after these blank lines...

















I also got around to see it finally (another Eugene outcast),
and the images linger. This is a compelling film, and go see it
if you haven't. Soderbergh is one of the bigger talents around.

Murnau: I think the scene where Kafka enters the castle through
the Jewish cemetary and walks along the subterranean hallway
was right out of Nosferatu. Maybe if I think for a while, more
Murnau allusions will come. Also, could somebody who knows more
than I do tell me a bit as to what extent the Kafka character
corresponds to Kafka himself or any of _his_ characters? I admit
to being rather ignorant about his writings--but I _did_ get the
running joke about the insect--I'm just interested in more background.

Ah: another thing about Murnau & German expressionism: this
giant microscope thing reminded me strongly of the machines in
Lang's Metropolis.

Now I've managed to see Fellini's 8 1/2, Godard's Weekend, Kafka,
four Star Trek episodes, and The Ten Commandments--all in the same
week. I'm settled for a while, I guess...

Christian.
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Date: 9 Apr 92 02:13:53 EST
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How about _Sorceress_ and _Navigator_ (altho the latter digresses
into the modern era)?




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Subject:      Sleepwalkers / The Babe

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
>Subject: Sleepwalkers / The Babe
>
>
>        Just saw _The Babe_ and S. King's _Sleepwalkers over the weekend.
>Here's what I though.
>
>_Sleepwalkers_ [stuff deleted]
>
>_The Babe_ (starring John Goodman and Kelly McGillis (sp?)) is a very, very,
>very good film.  I can't say enough good things about it.  The acting was
>great, the story was great, the music was great.  It is just an all around
enjoyable film.  Goodman may have given the performance of his career, although
>he was really good in Barton Fink.  But as a leading actor and a comedian,
>this role suits him better.  We can expect good things from Goodman from now
>on.

I would say when have we not seen a good performance by John Goodman?  Even in
_King Ralph_ he did some fine comedic acting; even though the script sucked.
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Did you ever notice that if you take some lines out of GARY's sig file he
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Todd M. Mundle
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Regina, SK Canada
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:39:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Welles' *Trial*

ok, i'm a Welles fan, but, aside from a few quite memorable shots, this
movie version just don't cut a candle nor a caper to the book, though of course
Anthony Perkins is a perfect choice to play Joseph K.  The ending of this one
*really* sucks; in an effort to make damn sure we "get the point," Welles makes
an unforgiveably heavyhanded gesture, one which tries to assert the
universality of Joseph K's situation when, in fact, Kafka himself likens that
situation to that of a dog (ok, i think that dogs are pretty damn special too,
but *that* doesn't come across in the book, methinks).  In this case, all i can
say is read the book, read the book, read the book instead.

MM
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