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From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Damn those airlines!
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:54:41 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.consumers, acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.183310.25892@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Brian.E.Hannon@dartm
>outh.edu (Brian E. Hannon) writes:
|>As many prior posters have noted, this level of security is frequently
|>not present on domestic(US) flights, but most international flights
|>work this way.  When you check in for your flight and check your
|>baggage, your name goes into the computer as having checked baggage.
|>In most cases, it all gets loaded on the plane and you go merrily on
|>your way.  The folks at the door to the plane collecting boarding
|>passes check to make sure that they got all the boarding passes back
|>from everyone who checked in.  If your boarding pass never turned up,
|>they'll first try to find you, but if they can't, off go your bags.  It
|>is rare that people will check in and then not get on the plane, that's
|>why it's usually not a problem.
|
|I don't see how this can be done in practice.  If I check in first one
|in line, my luggage is now at the bottom.  Are they going to unload a
|thousand luggage (a full 747), looking for one single bag?  The airlines
|don't record the luggage types either, so the luggage handling crew will
|have to check every luggage tag.  Not a fun chore.

No, but they will do it if they have to.  My last international flight,
we waited for about an hour and a half while they tried paging people
who had checked in but not boarded, then searched the luggage compartment
and took off some suitcases.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:17290 aus.general:1758 alt.activism:16961
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:56:31 GMT
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu


In article <1992Sep28.053336.9290@cs.su.oz.au>, yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga) writes:
>Having just recently raised a child in this country, I can assure you that
>most children are given powdered milk as supplement to their mothers milk
>by the hospital in the first few days.  This is mostly due to the mothers
>being unablt to lactate properly in the first day and a half, and the child's
>requirement for food.

Well, not the hospital my baby girl was delivered.  They only feed the babies
with some water or glucose water.  Powered formula is not used in any
supplemental sense by default.  They did give us couple sample bottles
of premix, i.e. warm-and-serve, formula.  But Mama's milk is the sole
food for the baby.

>I don't recall any horror "child hooked on powdered
>milk" scenarios on Hinch, so I guess this milk addiction must be something
>that only happens in underdeveloped countries.

No one here ever claimed babies could get hooked to powdered formula.
It is the problem that the sample formula given in third world countries
is about one week supply, just long enough for the mother's breast to stop
producing milk.  Then you are stuck.


I do know however, that
>the fact that a certain brand of milk has been given to children at birth
>has almost 0 correlation to the brand that they will like in future.
>Many mothers I know who decide to wean early have to go through a couple
>of different brands before the child accepts it as a substitute for their
>mother. I also seem to recall that the big bad multi-nationals used to
>go around teaching the mothers that boiling the water first was very
>important, they stressed it quite a lot, you really can't put the blame on
>the manufacturer in this case. What do you do when the mother is malnourished?
>You can attack a powdered milk vendor for unethical sales technique but
>to attack baby milk formula as an evil is just plain bullshit.

It is not the problem of providing formula as an alternative.  It is the
false-advertisement and the "questionable" practice (maybe unintentional)
of 1 week supply at birth, that people are bitching about.

>If a child cannot be fed powdered milk due to it's cost, I can assure
>you that after a day or so of crying, it will start drinking from the
>mother again, assuming that she is lactating properly.

Again, Mama breast is not like a vending machine.  You can't make it
producing milk at will.

Maybe all formula producers should label it clearly that mother milk
is better than formula and they should only hand out very small samples
in birthing hospitals, like at most 4 feed.  This is the practice in
U.S.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Diamond Advice Wanted
Keywords: diamond
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:17:33 GMT

In article <183737@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

|>       But diamonds are also extremely brittle.  They can be chipped
|>       by substances SOFTER than they are.
|> 

This is absolutely correct.  For example, if you hit a diamond with a
hammer it will likely shatter, even though the diamond it harder than
the steel hammer.  The point I was making was that a diamond that is
set in a ring is pretty well protected from most forms of abuse that 
will damage the stone.  If the stone receives a blow hard enough to
damage it, it will usually also destroy the ring.  Gold is not
particularly hard.  If a diamond in a ring appears to be chipped and
damaged, my first thought would be that it happened before the stone
was put in the ring.  That is unless the ring also showed signs of
abuse.

-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au (Christopher JS Vance)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Originator: cjsv@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Computer Science, University College, UNSW/ADFA, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.000935.21009@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:
| And lest face it Darrel Lea make fair chocolate.

Not the last time I tried it.  From memory, it was even worse than
Hersheys.

-- Christopher
a Lindt consumer when he can afford it, but then it's not cheap in its home
country, either
From: raghu@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: help! my landlord wants to sell my townhouse and I would rather not move.
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:01:07 GMT
Organization: NIST

hello:
I am renting a townhouse in miami florida.  
My lease expires Nov 30, 1992.
The owner of my house wants to sell the house.  
He started the process even before hurricane andrew hit us.  
But then nobody was buying.  
Now that the hurricane has come and gone, houses and condos are getting 
sold in a hurry.  
I wish to retain my apt for 2-3 more months because I expect to leave 
town by then.  
Also, it is hard to find an apt to rent now around here.  
What options do I have, if at all.  
My landlord is a decent guy and I have $1000 of deposit also.  
So I do not want to do anything stupid.
raghu@enh.nist.edu
From: hedges@pilot.njin.net (Douglas Hedges)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: DISCOVER card
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:53:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Edward_Engler@transarc.com writes:

>There are a few places that only accept Discover (besides Sears).  One
>that comes to mind is Pace Membership Warehouse.  Previously, they took
>only cash or checks.  I believe that Discover has the lowest merchant

[deleted]

Same goes for Sam's Wholesale Club.  That's the only card they
accept.  (Maybe that's why Sears is selling its Discover card
unit among other things; they got tired of Wal-Mart and others
thumbing them in the eye).
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: ROOF SEALANT?
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:30:52
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: swfc@cs.columbia.edu's message of Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:27:20 GMT

On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:27:20 GMT, swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) said:

> Roof shingles last about 20-30 years.  

Bzzt. Actually, this depends on the lifetime of the shingle, and the
environment it is in. There are 10 yr shingles, 25 yr shingles, etc. Constant
exposure to hot sun (as in Southern California) shortens the lifetime.

> on flat.  Otherwise, if the old shingles are too warped or damaged, or
> the house already has two layers of shingles, all the old shingles
> must be removed first.  

Bzzt. Depends on local area codes. In the City of Los Angeles, you can have up
to three layers; some cities have a max of two.

> ***This takes a lot of time and money.***

We just redid our house. It was approximatly $4,000 to remove the old roof,
and reroof with 25 yr shingles with dura-ridges, with any necessary wood
replacement at cost.

Daniel
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   "You can't be a rationalist in an irrational world. It isn't rational!"
	       Dr. Rance, in Joe Orton's "What the Butler Saw"
From: rkorczyk@sadis05.sa.aflc.af.mil (RICK KORCZYK - SCDR (AI LAB))
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: 31" & 35" Televisions
Summary: Look to buy - which is the best?
Keywords: TV
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:17:14 GMT
Organization: NA

HI!, I'm looking to buy either a 31" or 35" television (NOT rear
projection).  Has anyone had any dealings with these?  Any suggestions
on good buys/bad buys.  Also anyone know the life life span on tube vs
rear projection?

Thanks in advance, Rick
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: wynee@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (WLJ)
Subject: Re: Optifast
Organization: NASA/Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
	<26564@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:44:27 GMT

In article <26564@dog.ee.lbl.gov> julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:


   Dumb is a mild word to describe these diets.  Yes, your metabolism does
   slow down.  That's your body's response to this sudden drop in
   calorie intake.  It is the opposite of what a good weight loss 
   program should do.  Once you lose the weight after starving yourself,
   your metabolism is still low.  So when you go back to "real" food, 
   your body cannot burn it up as well.  You gain back everything you 
   lost and thensome. Just ask Oprah!


People who regain weight on these types of diets 1) Do not continue to
exercise and 2) do not participate in the weight maintainence  programs that
are essential if you want to keep the weight off.  Gaining the weight back is
related to going back to the same bad eating habits, NOT to problems in 
metabolism.  


--
************They're my opinions and you can't have them!*************

Wynee Johnson 				Assoc. Programmer Analyst
Unisys/NASA-Langley Research Center	Hampton,VA 23666
wynee@eagle.larc.nasa.gov		(804) 864-7419
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.video.cable-tv,alt.censorship
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Cable TV Consumer Protection Act of 1992
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:43:44 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <1992Oct5.203c0@f8.n154.z1.fidonet.org> jack@myamiga.mixcom.com (Jack Decker) writes:
>However, I would just point out that of ALL the messages posted in this thread,
>including those by people who vehemently disagree, NO ONE has provided "proof."

I don't have to provide proof.  You are saying that pornography encourages
violence against women.  I am saying it doesn't.  You are the one
claiming the existence of an effect, the burden of proof is on you.
Especially since you are advocating controlling my life because of the
effect you claim exists.

>I'd rather have them locked up where they can't hurt anyone, but since you
>can't lock them up until they've already destroyed the life of at least one
>innocent victim, I'd prefer they didn't have any external stimulus to commit
>their crimes.  And if you think they're going to be satisfied with TV, then how
>come we still have ever-increasing numbers of sex crimes, even in areas where
>hard-core pornography is freely available?

I assume you are an avid proponent of gun control.  Every argument you make
against pornography (erroneously), applies to guns.

Since you openly admit elsewhere in your posting that you are willing to
neither perform nor accept research, and you don't expect the people you
are communicating with here to perform it either, I won't bother
discussing facts.

Joe


Newsgroups: misc.consumers,aus.general
From: ajnash@mcnc.org (A.J.Nash)
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't buy Nestle
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:53:01 GMT

In article <Gary.Woodman.722.717644428@anu.edu.au> Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.032257.7085@mcnc.org> ajnash@mcnc.org (A.J.Nash) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.132601.11295@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au daniel@yoyo.cc.
>monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>>>
>>>2. When newborn babies are given bottles, they are less able to suckle
>>>well. This makes breastfeeding failure likely. The baby is then
>>>dependent on artificial milk.
>>
>>
>>I don't know where the data for this statement came from but any of the
>>babies that I've seen would suck on any thing put in their little mouths,
>>ie: Breast nipple, bottle nipple, finger,and etc.
>
>I guess you don't have any children - that's where the data comes from. 
>Sure, they suck, but they only get nutrition from the first two that you 
>mention. If you had any familiarity with women and childbearing, you'd know 
>it's not easy to start off breastfeeding.
>
>>I'm not going to boycott the Nestle Company... I'm going to buy more of
>>their products.
>
>Don't worry, they're poisoning you too.
>
>>       -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>       **       TO LIVE FREE AND HAPPY... TO DIE A HERO'S DEATH       **
>
>Is this directed at third world children, or the larger-than-life character 
>you'd like to be?
>
>--
>Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.


You're right pal... Two grown daughters and a five year old grandson doesn't
qualify me to know anything about women, childbearing, or breastfeeding, but
I do know that the Nestle Company is not the villian in this story. As for the
signature phrase, it only represents a set of goals that you obviously have
never achieved and in all probabilty never will. (sigh)

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       *        ajnash@alvin.mcnc.org * employer.                      *
       *        (919) 248-1937        * All expressions, ideas,        *
       *        RTP, N.C. 27511       * and opinions are my own.       *
       -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: nenik@ebseed.EBay.Sun.COM (Neni)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: buying diamond?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:34:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nenik@ebseed.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ebseed-178.ebay.sun.com


Since people were discussing diamond buying, I'd like
to ask a few questions as well....

In general, when is the biggest diamond sale in the year?
Thanksgiving? Christmas? Valentine's day? or others? 

Also, any recommendations on good jewelers in the Bay Area?
and can a regular consumer buy diamond from the wholesale
stores? Any advice will be appreciated!!

Neni





Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: roger@nrc.com (Roger Goeb)
Subject: Looking for Australian TV listing publication
Summary: Request for phone and address of tv guide/list publication
Keywords: Australia
Organization: Network Research Corporation
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:35:30 GMT


Hello.  Can someone in Australia provide me with that name, address and
telephone number of any weekly publication that lists television programming
schedules in Australia?  It would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

roger@nrc.com


-- 

Roger H. Goeb.				
Network Research Corp.
roger@NRC.COM
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Free CDs with SONY CD Player missing? Help!
Date: 26 Sep 1992 13:30:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In the summer I bought a Sony CD changer, and it included a form which
you sent to Columbia House Records and which entitled you to 4 free CDs merely
for buying the CD player and $4 postage and handling. I sent it in,
gave my permanent (not summer) address since it would take 6 weeks or more.
 
  When I returned, I had received cards from the post office saying that
a package had arrived, however, it had been long enough ago that they
jsut returned the package since I didn't come and pick it up (I was
far away at the time). By elimination I have finally realzed that this
returned package was almost certainly my CDs.
 
 However, I have no way of contacting them (Columbia House?) because
the address was on the form I sent in, and I didn't bother to write it
down.
 
 Does anyone have any phone numbers, addresses etc. for customer service
for either Sony or Columbia House Records? Or a copy of the form THEY
sent in to get their free CDs? Any help at all would be appreciated.
 
 Oh, I went to the post office and asked if they had any information about
the package. No, they just return it if you don't pick it up..damn.
 
Steve
-- 
/*************************************************************\
|  Steve Portigal  University of Guelph  Guelph, Ontario      |
|  stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (519) 824-4120 x 3580      |
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From: exustp@exu.ericsson.se (Stephen Pittner,xt-dt,x0672)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Waterbed question about heaters
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:31:25 GMT
Reply-To: exustp@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article UenBTEq00WB71Jv6cA@andrew.cmu.edu, "Rudolph R. Zung" <ru+@CMU.EDU> () writes:
>
>Now, try this with your water bed. You need two people, including yourself.
>Get one person to get on the water bed, and the other person stands next to
>the bed but not touching it. (I'm not sure if this is significant, but when
>I was doing this, we were skimpily dressed...) Now, one person should
>lightly run his/her finger along the helix of the other persons ear (helix
>is the external part of the ear.) Alright, when we did this, the person
>whose ear was rubbed would hear buzzing, and feel some slight vibration
>from the finger. Anyway, out came the multimeter: I held one probe, and my
>girlfriend held the other probe; with the heater unplugged, the reading was
>some small number (can't remember what it was, but it was not zero); with
>the heater plugged in, the voltage jumped up to something in the teens.
>I was not happy. I drained the bed, went out and bought a NEW heating pad
>and controller (made by different manufacturer) and installed that. Did the
>same experiment again with the same damn results. I'm pretty certain that
>it is the heater that is causing all this, because none of the buzzing and
>vibration would occur if the heating pad is unplugged.
>
>So am I just plain unlucky with heating pads? Is something else causing
>this? Or is this some unavoidable thing because the heating pad is doing
>something by induction or whatever and is happily charging up my water
>bag? Anybody else have this problem.
>

  No, you are not unlucky. I have had a similar problem with my waterbed.
This is what I think is happening... The heater works by sending electric current
through "elements" or wiring of some type. Any time you have current flowing through
a wire, you in turn create a magnetic field around the wire. A heating pad has many
turns of wiring through it and therefore the magnetic field is quite noticable.
The buzz you hear is a 60 cycle humm of the AC which is causing the field to change
at the 60 cycle rate. By breaking this magnetic field there, one person being in the
field, the other not, there are two different "potential" or charges on the two 
people and therefore you can feel the low voltage current flow between the two.
I don't know of any way to get rid of it. All I can say is use your imagination
and use it to your advantage.
                                     Steve
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Damn those airlines!
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:33:10 GMT
 <Bv3owq.I1I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
 <charlesv.717434303@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca>  
 <1992Sep26.124607.10032@afit.af.mil>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Sep26.124607.10032@afit.af.mil>
jchrissi@afit.af.mil (James W. Chrissis) writes:

> >No airline will fly if an unattended suitcase is on board. If you buy a ticket,
> >check in, check baggage, but don't board the plane, the plane won't depart
> >with your suitcase.
> 
> I guess my question here is: How do they know if it's ``unattended''?
> I mean, if you check your bags, either curbside or at the counter, the
> bag is on it's way to the cargo hold (usually!).  I don't recall ever
> having to identify my bags prior to boarding the aircraft - at least not
> on domestic flights in the US.

As many prior posters have noted, this level of security is frequently
not present on domestic(US) flights, but most international flights
work this way.  When you check in for your flight and check your
baggage, your name goes into the computer as having checked baggage. 
In most cases, it all gets loaded on the plane and you go merrily on
your way.  The folks at the door to the plane collecting boarding
passes check to make sure that they got all the boarding passes back
from everyone who checked in.  If your boarding pass never turned up,
they'll first try to find you, but if they can't, off go your bags.  It
is rare that people will check in and then not get on the plane, that's
why it's usually not a problem.

Bri
From: bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: DISCOVER card ( MUST READ! )
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:27:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


You've sold me.  What's the 800 number?
-- 
Russ
bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu
Remember-any advice that I give you may be worth exactly what
you paid for it.