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From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)
Subject: Re: Local Bus vs. ISA / EISA (compatibility of drivers)
Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:35:46 GMT

>Now my question is, can I use the same driver for a certain board regardless
>whether the board is installed in one of the local bus slots or in the
>regular ISA resp. EISA slot ?
>Or, in other words, do I need a certain driver for the local bus board and
>a different one for the ISA-bus board ?

To my knownledge it makes no difference whether it runs on local bus
or not. It's just a transparent HW thing.

But few few comments to this topic:

a) There is no STANDARD local bus yet. Thus you might run into trouble
   with compatibility problems later.

b) If you intend to go for GUIs anyway I strongly would recommend you
   to get an intelligent graphics board like a ATI Ultra or a S3 based
   board. They really make more difference than a local bus. And also
   there are now S3 boards avaialbe the make use of the EISA bus.

- Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.questions
From: orman@iastate.edu (David L Orman)
Subject: Re: SCO ODt 2.0.0 DOS-Merge & ethernet
Keywords: sco odt dos merge ether
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:28:38 GMT

In <0rfmnz_.maw@netcom.com> maw@netcom.com (Martin Walker) writes:

>Hello netters.

>I have just installed SCO OpenDesktop 2.0.0, and have been battling
>to get my ethernet card visible to DOS-Merge. I have two ethernet cards
>in my machine: one for SCO and one for DOS. The card I want to
>use for DOS is on IRQ3, Base address 0x260, and RAM address 0xd4000.
>The other card (for Unix) is on IRQ11, Addr  0x240, RAM 0xd0000.


Why do you need seperate cards?  We just have one and it works fine for everything.
From: john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:08:37 GMT
Organization: Private system -- Orlando, FL

In article <l6oo0lINN510@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
>In article <BrMC1u.88J@jwt.UUCP>, john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
>|> *None* of them are 80286 emulators (at least on the 386), they are 8086
>|> emulators.
>
>Well, not exactly. There are some non-protected mode instructions provided
>by the 80286 that are not part of the 8086. Most of the emulators provide
>the equivalent of an 80286 running in real mode

Agreed, but there's a *big* difference between an "80286 real mode
emulator" and an "80286 emulator," the latter being what VP/ix was
claimed to be by a prior poster.
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From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: Re: help with setting up a unix system
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:39:00 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When I said that I wanted to be able to run openwindows, I meant the
equivalent of openwindows on the PC. ie. whatever Xwindows is called on the
PC.

Just thought I would mention that to clear any ambiguities up.

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"Remember, wherever you go, there you are."
   - Peter Weller, The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sysv386
From: dfoody@derwin.tc.cornell.edu ()
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.204352.23016@sco.COM>, ezras@sco.COM (Ezra Steinberg) writes:
|> If the 80386 cpu is being used to create virtual 8086s (i.e. running
|> programs only in real mode), then programs designed to run on 80286
|> cpus or better (i.e. in protected) mode will not be able to run with
|> one of these emulators.  Currently, I believe all popular emulators
|> use the virtual 8086 method; hence, only real-mode programs can be run.

How is OS/2 able to run protected mode applications such as Borland C++ 3.0?
(Borland C++ 3.0 will only run using DPMI).

Would it be possible to add this functionality to VP/ix or other UNIX based
DOS emulators?

						Dan Foody
						dfoody@derwin.tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
From: danh@quantum.on.ca (Dan Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:55:54 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix

In article <l6oo0lINN510@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
>In article <BrMC1u.88J@jwt.UUCP>, john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
>|> *None* of them are 80286 emulators (at least on the 386), they are 8086
>|> emulators.  An 80286 emulator would imply the availability of extended
>|> memory and 80286 protected mode, neither of which exists in VP/ix or
>|> Merge.
>
>Well, not exactly. There are some non-protected mode instructions provided
>by the 80286 that are not part of the 8086. Most of the emulators provide
>the equivalent of an 80286 running in real mode, which is a little different
>than an 8086. Most applications however do not use these instructions for
>portability reasons.

We adopted the approach of switching down toreal mode rather than using a 
virtual 8086 box. By reserving the bottom 640K for DOS, and then letting MS 
Windows run there ( and supporting the calls it makes to allocate extended 
memory), the end result is that both QNX and MS Windows are running in 
protected mode, cooperatively sharing the extended memory in the machine. 
This lets MS Windows run at nearly full speed and with as much memory as it 
wants, so that large MS Windows apps will work. This aproach does not 
support the multiple DOS tasks that using the virtual 8086 mode would 
allow, but since most people using a DOS emulator now would like to run MS 
Windows in that DOS box and get multiple MS Windows tasks, this works well.


Dan Hildebrand                     email: danh@quantum.on.ca
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From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: help with setting up a unix system
Date: 21 Jul 1992 00:14:50 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello, all. I was wondering if I could get a few opinions from anyone with
any information. I am going to buy myself a computer in september, and I am
going to get a unix operating system for it. However, I need some help in
deciding on brands. I'll tell you what I've decided so far:

        I am buying a 486 PC of some sort, so I can still run some
                MS-DOS programs I like (games such as Ultima)

        I want at least 6gigabytes of disk space

        I want to be able to run openwindows

I have quite a bit of experience in using unix on a Sun SPARCstation IPC, so
I know a lot about what unix does, but not so much about how it does it
(however, I do know some of how it works).

Anyway, what I would like is some opinions on:

1) What type of PC would be good?
2) What brand of unix is good?
3) How should I partition my drive(s)?
4) How many drives should I spread my 6gig across for good response?
5) How much memory should I have?
6) What types of monitors are good?
7) What kind of drives are good?
8) What kind of ROM BIOS for my MS-DOS partition is good?
9) What kind of power supply protection should I have?
10) Anything relevant to purchasing and setting up a unix system which I
        have neglected to ask above, which is probably quite a bit.

Keep in mind that I want at least one DOS partition on my drives, and that I
will still be running DOS applications every once in a while.

Please give me an explanation of your answers, not just a "You should buy this,
that and the other." I would prefer "You should buy this, that and the other,
BECAUSE..." Also, please tell me what kind of hardware, software and warranty
support your choices have (including upgrading support).

Please e-mail me with responses, since I do not intend to read this newsgroup
often (there are far too many articles, most of which I have no interest in
or no idea about). I can post a summary of results, if the majority of people
would like me to.

Any help is appreciated.

-- 
Thank you for your attention.
==============================================================================
Scott Barker
barker@enel.ucalgary.ca

"Asking if a computer can think is like asking if a submarine can swim"
   - Edsgar Djikstra
From: ldr@merrymeeting.mv.com (Lee D. Rothstein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: help with setting up a unix system
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:20:23 GMT
Organization: New Science Associates, Inc; IEEE Computer Society, NH
Reply-To: ldr@merrymeeting.mv.com


In article <9207212138.AA06949@fsa.enel.ucalgary.ca>
barker@enel.ucalgary.ca writes:

 > 
 > When I said that I wanted to be able to run openwindows, I meant the
 > equivalent of openwindows on the PC. ie. whatever Xwindows is called on the
 > PC.

Under DOS.  Quarterdeck has what seems to be an outstanding
product.  It gives you an X Server under Windows, and also gives
you remote Windows to Windows access using X11.

 > Scott Barker
 > barker@enel.ucalgary.ca

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: help with setting up a unix system
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:00:43 GMT

In article <9207212138.AA06949@fsa.enel.ucalgary.ca> barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker) writes:
>When I said that I wanted to be able to run openwindows, I meant the
>equivalent of openwindows on the PC. ie. whatever Xwindows is called on the
>PC.

It's called the same thing it's called on UNIX boxes, X windows.
OpenWindows is something else (stuff added, actually).  So, do you
want to run X or OpenWindows?  If the latter, you're going to have to
wait for Solaris 2 for Intel to become available.  Make sure you have
a CD-ROM drive.

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From: maw@netcom.com (Martin Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.questions
Subject: SCO ODt 2.0.0 DOS-Merge & ethernet
Summary: How do I gt an ethernet card working in DOS-Merge
Keywords: sco odt dos merge ether
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:29:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hello netters.

I have just installed SCO OpenDesktop 2.0.0, and have been battling
to get my ethernet card visible to DOS-Merge. I have two ethernet cards
in my machine: one for SCO and one for DOS. The card I want to
use for DOS is on IRQ3, Base address 0x260, and RAM address 0xd4000.
The other card (for Unix) is on IRQ11, Addr  0x240, RAM 0xd0000.

When I start DOS-Merge, I use flags "dos +a.260-27f.3.d4000-d7fff". All
good and well. When I load the packet driver under DOS, it seems to
see the card correctly (it picks up my ethernet address propperly), and
claims to have loaded properly. Then, as soon as I use CUTCP or INet,
neither of them seem to work at all.

The packet driver I am using is the Clarkson Wd8003E driver, version
.7.1. I load it using wd8003e 0x60 3 0x260 0xd400.

Please can someone tell me what I am doing wrong, or if anyone has
had any joy getting an ethernet card working propperly on DOS-Merge
please let me know how you did it. Any help at all would be greatly
appreciated.

Regards,
Kean Johnston,
via maw@netcom.netcom.com
From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: Re: help with setting up a unix system
Date: 23 Jul 1992 12:38:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Well, someone pointed out the FAQs in news.answers to me, and hey! There was
most of what I wanted to know. I think maybe those FAQs should be posted to
the comp.unix.* groups a little more often, so that people like me can read
them and not disturb everyone else. I can post them myself, if people would
like...

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==============================================================================
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barker@enel.ucalgary.ca

"Remember, wherever you go, there you are."
   - Peter Weller, The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
From: jefhor@auto-trol.com (Jeff Horn)
Subject: IEEE<-->VMS Number Conversions
Originator: jefhor@birtys
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:35:09 GMT

Hello Everyone,
	I am looking for the source of a converter to change machine 
dependent number formats to IEEE (PC format).  I am mainly interested
in changing double formats on VAX systems to double format on IEEE
systems.  Most of the doubles that I deal with on the VAX side of things
are saved in the D_floating format.  This gives an 8 bit exponent.  On
the IEEE side the doubles need to have an 11 bit exponent.  I know that
between Sun4 and the PC (I'm using a 386 based chip) the only difference
is the byte ordering is completely backwards.  However, it is not that
easy on the VAX.  I know about the different biases on the exponents, but
am having a heck of a time getting anything to work right.  HELP!!

	If anyone has any code or knows of a book or reference to get, it
would sure be appreciated.

	You can email me at jefhor@auto-trol.com or 
			     jeffh@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
or just repost to the group.  I try to read news every other day or so.

	Thanks.

Jeff 
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From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:40:01 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <BrMC1u.88J@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
>In article <BrGHIn.IMn@ernest.dseg.ti.com> alan@ernest.dseg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul13.195308.21397@access.digex.com> jcraig@access.digex.com (Joseph N. Craig) writes:
>>>We have been somewhat disappointed to discover that VP/ix that comes with
>>>ISC Unix emulates 286 class machines.
>>
>>I believe most DOS-under-Unix products (Merge,VP/ix,etc.) all are
>>80286 style emulators.
>
>*None* of them are 80286 emulators (at least on the 386), they are 8086
>emulators.  An 80286 emulator would imply the availability of extended
>memory and 80286 protected mode, neither of which exists in VP/ix or
>Merge.
>-- 
>John W. Temples -- john@jwt.UUCP  (jwt!john@peora.sdc.ccur.com)
Merge and VPIX use the Virtual 8086 Mode of the 386/486. This limits the
implementation to 8086 style emulation. There is no Virtual 80286 Mode
available on 386's/486's.

gerard
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.sysv386
From: sjvn@access.digex.com (Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols)
Subject: Re: Local Bus vs. ISA / EISA (compatibility of drivers)
Keywords: ISA EISA X-Windows UNIX LocalBus
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:22:34 GMT

Now is not the time to buy local-bus video.  By this fall, everyone
will be releasing motherboards using VESA or Intel local-bus standards,
and I doubt that many vendors will support the homebrew local-bus
designs now being sold.

-- 
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sjvn@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sysv386
From: tir@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo Riikonen)
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:08:55

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 1992 00:32:46 GMT, alan@ernest.dseg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds) said:

Alan> In article <1992Jul13.195308.21397@access.digex.com> jcraig@access.digex.com (Joseph N. Craig) writes:
>We have been somewhat disappointed to discover that VP/ix that comes with
>ISC Unix emulates 286 class machines.  We have some software that requires
>386 machines.

Alan> I believe most DOS-under-Unix products (Merge,VP/ix,etc.) all are
Alan> 80286 style emulators.  I think they work by using the virtual-8086 mode
Alan> of the 386, where you create a virtual 8086 processor.  If this is true,
Alan> you won't find any DOS-under-Unix 386 style SW.  In fact, if you do allow
Alan> access to real/protected mode under DOS app, it could (would) easily
Alan> crash Unix.  What in particular does your SW require about 386 machines?
Alan> I believe you can get some high-memory drivers to work under VP/ix.

I don't know about Joseph, but we would need the high memory as it is
done in himem.sys. Without it you can't run Windows 3.1, Excel 3.x,
Excel 4.x, Word 4.x and so on. Although there is some high memory
available for VP/ix also, what's the use when the programs don't know
how to use it?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sysv386
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:40:01 GMT

In <1992Jul30.120431.3033@tc.cornell.edu> dfoody@derwin.tc.cornell.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.204352.23016@sco.COM>, ezras@sco.COM (Ezra Steinberg) writes:
>|> If the 80386 cpu is being used to create virtual 8086s (i.e. running
>|> programs only in real mode), then programs designed to run on 80286
>|> cpus or better (i.e. in protected) mode will not be able to run with
>|> one of these emulators.  Currently, I believe all popular emulators
>|> use the virtual 8086 method; hence, only real-mode programs can be run.

>How is OS/2 able to run protected mode applications such as Borland C++ 3.0?
>(Borland C++ 3.0 will only run using DPMI).

OS/2 acts as a DPMI server, so OS/2 provides the DPMI memory that
things like Borland C++ need.

>Would it be possible to add this functionality to VP/ix or other UNIX based
>DOS emulators?

I don't see why a 386 UNIX couldn't be set up to provide DPMI server
services so that something like VP/ix could run things needing those
services.  Note, however, that this still wouldn't let you run Windows
in anything other than Real mode (in other words, nothing newer than
Windows 3.0 would work).

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.sysv386
From: nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt)
Subject: Local Bus vs. ISA / EISA (compatibility of drivers)
Keywords: ISA EISA X-Windows UNIX LocalBus
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:29:00 GMT

Hi netters,

I am in the market for a 486 EISA system.
Now, I am wondering whether I should buy an EISA system with two local
bus slots or not.
This system will run DOS (in a small partition), OS/2 (in another partition)
and UNIX.
That means that I have to choose boards, e.g. for graphics, which are
supported by all these OSes (DOS/MS-Windows, PM for OS/2 and X-Windows under
UNIX).
I know that there are drivers for all of these for 8514/A (or clones) and for
boards with the ET4000 chipset.
Now my question is, can I use the same driver for a certain board regardless
whether the board is installed in one of the local bus slots or in the
regular ISA resp. EISA slot ?
Or, in other words, do I need a certain driver for the local bus board and
a different one for the ISA-bus board ?

If the same driver will work in both situations,
then I could buy, e.g., a ET4000 local bus SVGA-board and still
use the existing drivers for MS-Windows, the X-Window server (X386), etc.
If not, I have to look for another EISA-Board or graphic board.

Thank you for your help.

If this question was asked million times in the past, I apologize.
I was on vacation for several weeks and couldn't follow the discussion
in this group, lately. In addition, this topic was brought to my
attention just yesterday.

Norbert.
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From: dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Subject: Re: ISC VP/ix Question(s)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:05:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zule
Keywords: ISC Unix VP/ix

In article <BrMC1u.88J@jwt.UUCP>, john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
|> *None* of them are 80286 emulators (at least on the 386), they are 8086
|> emulators.  An 80286 emulator would imply the availability of extended
|> memory and 80286 protected mode, neither of which exists in VP/ix or
|> Merge.

Well, not exactly. There are some non-protected mode instructions provided
by the 80286 that are not part of the 8086. Most of the emulators provide
the equivalent of an 80286 running in real mode, which is a little different
than an 8086. Most applications however do not use these instructions for
portability reasons.


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