HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:21:59 GMT
Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

In article <1992Oct5.074739.541@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
> In article <BvK9AG.ELB@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu  
(Maurice Shihadi) writes:
> >NeXT customer service will not even give e-mail addresses for employees 
> >referred to by name.
> 
> All e-mail addresses at NeXT are FirstName_LastName@next.com.  You can
> even mispell their name pretty badly and still have it deliver... (who
> can spell Peter Van Cuylenburg anyway?? ;-).

Well, what's wrong with his name - it's ordinary Dutch - although I would  
use a lower case 'v'.

[ ... Rest deleted ... ]

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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Where to learn about the swaptimizer
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:22:19 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

the swaptimizer (swap file compression) is described briefly in
the developer release notes section on the operating system.

to turn it on/off, you have to edit /etc/swaptab to insert the
option compresss or nocompress and reboot

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From: burns@cc.gatech.edu (James E. Burns)
Subject: User's Guide description (just arrived)
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:00:56 GMT


I just received my copy of the 3.0 User's Guide (after slightly less
than three weeks).  I contains 365 pages (including an 8 page index
and a 35 page reference section).  The format is 9 1/2" x 8 1/2" 
(which seems to be the new NeXT standard).  There are 22 chapters,
Most of the contents is similar to the older User's Reference.

Since some this info is not on the CD-ROM, I think this is essential
documentation.  It is nicely done (as all the NeXT stuff seems to be),
but $50 seems a bit high for a paperbound book of this size.  Since
it seems pretty necessary for using 3.0 to the fullest, I think it
should have been included with the upgrade price.  Anyway, I'm glad
I finally got it.

If you want a copy, the NeXT part number is N6038.  You can order it
at 1-800-848-NeXT (that's 6398).

jim burns
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From: patl@golem.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: Re: Comments on 3.0 thus far
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.045036.9161@nevada.edu> oliverm@nevada.edu (Moises  
Oliveira ) writes:
> There is no need to replace /usr/bin/find.
> 
> It works.

It is still worth replacing, since GNU find is backwards compatible, has more  
options, and is noticeably faster.

-Pat
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From: nwc@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (Nick Christopher)
Subject: Indexing Sybase: SOLUTION
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:48:38 GMT

Here is a shar file that walks you through indexing the Sybase docs
under NeXTSTEP 3.0.  Cut the following out and copy it to
/tmp/syb.shar then type "cd /tmp; sh syb.shar". The README will
explain the rest.

#! /bin/sh
# This is a shell archive, meaning:
# 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line.
# 2. Save the resulting text in a file.
# 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create the files:
#	README.txt
#	syroff
#	.displayCommand
# This archive created: Fri Sep 25 23:11:32 1992
export PATH; PATH=/bin:$PATH
echo shar: extracting "'README.txt'" '(679 characters)'
if test -f 'README.txt'
then
	echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'README.txt'"
else
sed 's/^	X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'README.txt'
	XThe following procedure assumes you have the default NeXT setup for
	Xyour Sybase documentation. Assuming you have unpacked this shar file
	Xin /tmp then do the following as root to get the Sybase Documentation working
	Xunder NeXTSTEP:
	X
	X
	X	# cd /NextLibrary/Documentation/Sybase
	X	# cp .index/icon.tiff .dir.tiff
	X	# cp /tmp/.displayCommand .displayCommand
	X	# cp /tmp/syroff /usr/local/bin/syroff
	X	# ln -s /usr/sybase/doc
	X
	X	If this documentation will ONLY be used by 3.0 machines then:
	X
	X	# rm -rf .index
	X
	XOnce the above is done just pull /NextLibrary/Documentation/Sybase
	Xonto the Librarian self and index it. If you put syroff somewhere else
	Xthen fix .displayCommand since it calls it.
SHAR_EOF
if test 679 -ne "`wc -c < 'README.txt'`"
then
	echo shar: error transmitting "'README.txt'" '(should have been 679 characters)'
fi
fi # end of overwriting check
echo shar: extracting "'syroff'" '(364 characters)'
if test -f 'syroff'
then
	echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'syroff'"
else
sed 's/^	X//' << \SHAR_EOF > 'syroff'
	X#!/bin/csh -f
	X# This script fixes two glitches in NeXTSTEP 3.0 Librarian
	X# when used on Sybase docs. One is that it insists that .man
	X# files are nroff when they are not. Second it runs the display
	X# command from the root directory so .so includes fail to find the
	X# target include.
	Xif ( $1:e == "man" ) then 
	X	cat $1
	Xelse
	X	cd $1:h
	X	tbl $1 | nroff -msyb -rT1 
	Xfi
	X
SHAR_EOF
if test 364 -ne "`wc -c < 'syroff'`"
then
	echo shar: error transmitting "'syroff'" '(should have been 364 characters)'
fi
chmod +x 'syroff'
fi # end of overwriting check
echo shar: extracting "'.displayCommand'" '(25 characters)'
if test -f '.displayCommand'
then
	echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'.displayCommand'"
else
sed 's/^	X//' << \SHAR_EOF > '.displayCommand'
	X/usr/local/bin/syroff %s
SHAR_EOF
if test 25 -ne "`wc -c < '.displayCommand'`"
then
	echo shar: error transmitting "'.displayCommand'" '(should have been 25 characters)'
fi
fi # end of overwriting check
#	End of shell archive
exit 0


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From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen)
Subject: Re: Adobe/Sun Announce
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:47:14 GMT

I say better and better.

It lends more votes to DPS, which strengthens Adobe, which makes the
NeXTSTEP design more mainstream. The real interesting thing to watch
is whether Sun can get the pieces to play together in a coherent way.

And then it gives NeXT a marketing angle - why wait until 1993 (or
whenever the real ship date is) for something proven and available
yesterday?

Frankly I expect more announcements of NeXT's competition picking up
their approach piece by piece.

Mark R. Thomsen

P.S. I am pretty much supportive of Sun since they did so well by us
in the earlier days. I have sadness for their lack of innovation and
leadership in recent years. Thus we look at the NeXT as the innovator
and leader in a new era (1 era = under five years in this business).
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From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Reply-To: uunet!lkba!lkb
Organization: LKB Associates, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.191416.762@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave  
Griffiths) writes:
> 
> It's a lot of work to supply DOS and Windows capability for NS486, and  
it's
> my guess that it's too much for NeXT. We'll probably have to buy a special
> new version of SoftPC. That's why NeXT can promise that the ability to
> run Windows programs will be there, but become coy on details.

Not only would it be "a lot" of work, but it just might be illegal too.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can't imagine that anyone could get away with  
selling their own implementation of Windows, running on the native hardware,  
without being subject to the "Look and Feel" litigation of todays computer  
software business.  It is ok to BUY MS-DOS and MS-Windows to run under the  
SoftPC emulator but is it ok to write a look-alike for these programs?

I'd love to hear comments about this from any lawyers out there...
From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow)
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:52:22 GMT
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Chatsworth, CA

In article <BvIL0u.H0L@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes:

> >> How come the release keeps getting bigger, yet the functionality
> >> continues to shrink?
> 
> Just to name a couple: services, the slider on the dock, etc.

Minor point:  2.0 doesn't have a slider on the dock.  I suspect you're
running a dock extender.  This doesn't detract from your point, of course.

> I'm not even going to go into how NS 3.0 gives you so much more
> functionality (Much better fax support, Netware and AppleShare
> clients, DBKit, ProjectBuilder, RenderMan (!!!), PhoneKit) and
> doesn't add that much to your disk space needs.

In the first place, I'm not arguing that NeXT hasn't added
functionality too.  They obviously have.  But I'm a bit distressed at
their habit of removing things that people have come to depend on.
Writenow is especially important because, by shipping it for so long,
they made it a de-facto standard document format.  Now newer users
won't be able to read a lot of existing stuff.  Not good.

In the second place, note that the new functionality is at a different
level.  Services is very nice, but it's not an application.  I have to
buy applications before it's very useful.  Most of the stuff in your
list above requires either hardware purchases (fax, etc.), or software
writing (ProjectBuilder).  RenderMan is presumably a very nice
application (or is it another library?  My 3.0 isn't here yet, so I
don't know).  But is it, too, going to be dropped in the future when
somebody else comes out with a competitor?

I understand NeXT's need to provide a level playing field to
application software companies.  But the WriteNow folks took a big
risk by porting to the NeXT early on.  If WordPerfect or whoever wants
to compete, let them do it by providing more functionality.  I think
it's counterproductive, unfair to new users, and upwards-incompatible
for NeXT to stop shipping widely useful applications that used to be
standard.
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@ITcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
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From: kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: "Chrysler Buys 2,500 Next Step 486s"
Keywords: NeXT, Chrysler, NeXTSTEP, 486
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: cfctech!kevin@ph.gmr.com
Organization: Chrysler Financial Corp., Southfield, MI

In article <1992Sep22.234342.1444@wire.gwinnett.com> andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (andrew abernathy) writes:
>
>I'll probably get beat to this, but the September 21, 1992 issue of Open  
>Systems Today reports that Chrysler Financial has committed to run  
>NeXTSTEP 486 on about 2,500 PCs in its 100 U.S. branches.

Probably just another wild rumor :-)

(BTW, when you add in Canada and Puerto Rico, you come up with significantly
more than 100 branches...)

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From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:21:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>WriteNow 2.1 works fine on my cube running 3.0. Bummer about the lack of a  
>read-only version though. It's going to be hard to remember not to send  
>out .wn files...

I just noticed that there are two programs lurking in the WriteNow.app
directory called wn-rtf and rtf-wn.  They might be part of a solution
to generating documentation in rtf format.  I'd like them a lot better
though if they were called "wn-rtfd" and "rtfd-wn", but oh well.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: ptroff correction (WAS help with troff... it's driving me NUTS!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:17:47 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I left off an important option (-t) in my previous posting about ptroff.
Thanks to Scott Hess for pointing out my error.
Sorry for any confusion.

In article <1992Oct2.130938.22072@cs.uno.edu> emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:
> is there *any* type of troff viewer anywhere that i can use on the NeXT?

I wrote:
> ptroff -man foobar.1 > foobar.ps; open foobar.ps # views it
> ptroff -man foobar.1 | lpr # prints it

this wont work, you need to say "ptroff -man -t ..."

Scott also points out that the following line works (and is simpler than my suggestion)
> You can also say "ptroff -man -t foobar.1 | open" directly!
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From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: Re: The New NeXT Keyboard
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.032652.5060@wam.umd.edu> marauder@wam.umd.edu (Joe  
Jacobson) writes:
> 	Just read the Winter 92 issue of NeXTWORLD.  I see that NeXT has
> finally gotten around to using ADB devices.  (The first time I saw a NeXT,
> the first question I asked, after wiping the drool off my chin, was "So, is
> the keyboard on a desktop bus?")
> 
> 	For those of you who do not have the good fortune to have a 
> subscription to NeXTWORLD, the new keyboard is a ADB compatible,  
ergonomically
> designed piece of art.  With a new command bar, help keys, and better placed
> unix keys, (for all the people who still haven't figured out how to remap  
the
> NeXT keyboard...), PLUS a hockey puck for mouse.  I've always considered a
> round mouse an obsenity, having grown up with a brick for a mouse, but NeXT 
> seems to think that they have got something, so I'm willing to give it a  
try.
> 
> 	The command bar seems to be the most outlandish thing.  But, 
> there is supposed to be a check box in Preferences to switch the function of 
> the help keys, (located where the command keys are now), with the command  
bar.
> 
> 	Basically, NeXT has finally got the keyboard that the hardware 
> deserves.
> 
> 				Joe
> 				marauder@wam.umd.edu
> 

So for those who get their copies of NeXTWORLD third hand about three weeks  
late, what is the deal on the new keyboard for those with old systems?  For  
example, can I just plug the new keyboard into my NeXTStation, or do I have to  
get a new NeXT for the ADB?

-- Frank
__________________________________________________________________________
Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
                          | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki
From: tswan@jpmorgan.com (Todd Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NewsGrazer and C-news...
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:13:57 GMT

We have a need here to set up some local news groups for users here to use with NewsGrazer.  We only want  
to have these local groups available, so setting up C-news just for some local newgroups seem to be overkill.   
Any suggestions?

Todd
--
Todd M. Swan
tswan@ny.jpmorgan.com
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0 Librarian
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:45:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <Bv74Cr.82w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Nope.  They added an easy way to play a sound when new mail comes in, and  
>changed the look of some of the icons a little, but otherwise, no new  
>functionality.

I wish they'd make it more stable.  Frequently the app bombs when sending
mail with a 'deallocate' failure error message.  And for me the PostScript
for the application gets all screwed up, so the window's title bars become
the first character only if the real title, and the text on the buttons gets
rotated and/or skewed and/or totally off window.

>So, is this yet another place where NeXT is waiting for 3rd-party apps to
>give us things that we often use in mailing one another like:

>* properly reformatting and quoting text when replying

Terminal Services is a nice workaround for that.

>* signature insertion (both RTF [for NeXTmail] and ASCII [for Non-NeXTmail])

'twould be nice.

>* recognition of uuencoded and shar'ed material ala NewsGrazer (because not  
>everyone can send NeXTmail)

How about modules?

>These three things are pretty small.  It's annoying to have to resort to some
>other app or service to get things like this done (I haven't seen an app to
>do the third thing).  I wouldn't mind using Terminal services, but the ones
>supplied don't seem to work for quoting (as advertised) when I highlight a
>section of text in a Compose window and choose the reformat and reply service
>item.

The trick to get the formatting right is to remove the > that's already
there.  I think something like 'sed -s#^.*>## | fmt -79 75' will do the
trick.  It worked for me when I first tried it at work.  Alas, my CD drive
hasn't come yet so I can't verify that for sure.

>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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If I don't drive around the park,
I'm pretty sure to make my mark.
If I'm in bed each night by ten,
I may get back my looks again.
If I abstain from fun and such,
I'll probably amount to much;
But I shall stay the way I am,
Because I do not give a damn.
		-- Dorothy Parker



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From: coenraad@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Coenraad Scheepers)
Subject: Re: NS 3.0 floppy upgrade --- help!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:47:58 GMT

In article <v2!pzrj.death@netcom.com> death@netcom.com (David Burrowes) writes:
>I just got NS 3.0.   But I have no floppy disk drive in my cube, and
>effectively have access to no machines with floppies, easily.
>
>Would some kind soul just dump the .app  from the floppy that came with
>the NS 3.0 distribution into NeXTmail, and send it to me?
>(or, just tar and uuencode and send via normal email.  whatever!).
>
>Thank you!
>
>\david john burrowes

Wouldn't you know - I have the same problem! Please cc: the .app to me.

'Preciate it.
Ferdi Scheepers


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: woo@ornl.gov(John W. Wooten)
Subject: Re: Digital Librarian and nroff files.
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.003329.2063@walter.cray.com>  
dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.000833.1529@walter.cray.com>  
dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown) writes:
> >I think someone has mentioned this before. I am having problems with
> >Digital Librarian indexing my man pages (nroff format). Is there a
> >work around for this? Is there something special I should do that
> >I should be aware of?
> >
> >             Dan Brown (dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com)
> 
> I just found the answer to my own question thanks to an alert I just  
got.
> It turns out that if you don't have the "/usr/lib/indexing"  
directory.
> You lose out on alot of support programs for DL. I didn't have this
> directory because I did a 2.0 builddisk and then upgraded to 3.0. To  
fix
I have this library and still have the problem.
Is there another idea about how to fix it?
-----------------
J. W. Wooten
From: emerson@hadrosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (R. Matthew Emerson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Sep30.230509.8706
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <1actp1INN9km@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes:
>
>...  The OD works, but 3.0 Workspace doesn't
>seem to think that it's a removable media, and the Eject operation is not
>lit and does not function... 
>Nor does logging off.  In fact, the only time I tried logging off with
>the OD still mounted and all, the system froze.
>
>The only thing that does work is to umount and disk -e as root.
>
>I have also had problems ejecting CD's, but I haven't played enough with
>that to characterize the problems completely.
>
I have no problem with ejecting opticals and cdroms from two 3.0 cubes I use.
The optical continues to work fine.

-matt
From: jporter@worf (John Porter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Remote NeXT Mail
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:03:43 GMT
Organization: NASA

Hello NeXT Types:

We have recently upgraded to 3.0 and I have a problem.  I spend the  
majority of my time at a remote site from my NeXT on someone else's  
machine.  I like to NXHost my mail to this machine from my own.  Under 2.1  
this was not a problem, but 3.0 refuses to give me the menu in the upper  
rleft corner.  I can read my mail, but I have no access to menu commands  
(hide, etc), even through hotkeys (command-h for example).  Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help y'all can give me.

John Porter
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gove
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From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: CRASHME crashes NS 3.0 in less than a second!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct1.113425.27867@cs.yale.edu> pharr-matthew@CS.YALE.EDU (Matthew Pharr) writes:

>>
>>So what.  Almost every Unix system is crashed in < 2 seconds by Crashme.
>>
>
>If I remember correctly, a fair number of Unix systems -aren't-
>crashed by CrashMe.  Anyway, what CrashMe does is fork as many
>processes as it can and write to memory randomly, in the hopes of
>destroying something important that the o/s wasn't protecting
>properly.

This isn't what CRASHME is trying to do.  It forks a bunch 'o
processes, and causes each of them to execute randomly created
instructions.  It's really testing the exception handling ability of
the operating system, not the processor.

A properly working operating system should not crash and burn due to
stupid behavior of USER programs, which is what CRASHME is.  And there
are, as I recall, operating systems that don't die when you run
CRASHME.  One can argue that operating systems should behave
gracefully in the face of resource consumption (processes, VM, etc),
but I don't believe that CRASHME is attempting to provoke this sort of
problem.

This is also one of the class of problems/bugs that you might not even
waste your time reporting to NeXT.  They will be less interested in
this than they are of the real problems they need to fix.

	"It hurts when I do that."

	"Don't do that."

louie
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