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From: stong@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Simon Tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: **** A few questions on George Lam ****
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:18:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.1e6pc7INNeev
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

In article <1992Nov9.200021.17504@news.cs.indiana.edu> <juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>	
>	Can't think of anything to post.  If you want more info, don't
>	hesitate to ask.
>

OK, a few questions off the top of my head :-

a) I know Lam also studied in the States and possibly France.
   If I'm right, then when did he leave HK and what/where
   did he study overseas ?

b) How and when did he become a tennis coach ?

c) I know he has at least one brother.  What does he do ?
   Has Lam got any other sibling ?

d) When did he return to HK ?  What did he do then ? Joined
   a band straight away ?

e) I heard his house in LA (or was it SF) was burnt to the
   ground not long ago.  How much time does he spend in the
   States ?

f) He rarely gives interview.  Have you ever heard him discuss
   his music ?  He was quoted as saying  a long time ago
   that he would never sing Chinese songs.  What made him changed his
   mind ? Has he ever talked about his musical direction ?
   In his early albums, there are many songs that have a "folk"
   sound to them.  He has moved away from that kind of songs since then.
   Is that because of market demand ?

g) He had an English album in circa 1989.  How does that come about ?
   Surely it wasn't a commercial success, was it ?

That's enough for now, thanks in advance.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14651 soc.culture.china:30845
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Summary: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!
Keywords: shanghai
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:37:55 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

I am proud to let you know that soc.culture.hongkong has entered
China yesterday.  Shanghai is the first Fidonet site inside Red China
who starts to receive this newsgroup.  Special thanks to Samson Luk 
in Hongkong to make this happen.  More FidoNet sites will carry SCHK 
into the heart of China in the NEAR future!!!!!  

BTW, Beijing should be next!!!!

Thanks again, Samson.
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: achiever@hardy.u.washington.edu (Elizabeth Luk)
Subject: MARYKNOLL CONVENT SCHOOL ALUMNI NETWORK
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:02:35 GMT






	             MARYKNOLL CONVENT SCHOOL ALUMNI NETWORK	

Dear Fellow Maryknollers,

	This is another issue of the mailing list again.  For those who are 
not familiar with this, let me explain that all the names are grouped under
the Cert (F.5) year.  For those who left earlier, will still be classified
with the people of their own class year.
	There is another "confidential" list, with all information of the below
names.  (e.g email id, address, phone no....)  It could be obtained through me.
Please note that the list is available Maryknollers ONLY.  Members of the list
will automatically receive a copy.

	The main objective of this network is to help us to get in touch with
our fellow schoolmates.  The list will be posted here about twice a month.  
Please let me know if you have any question, suggestion or idea.  I really need
your support in making this.  For those who want to join the list please email 
me at:	
	achiever@u.washington.edu
						Yours Sincerely,
                                                Elizabeth Luk
                                               (graduated in 1990, F.6)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	

HKCEE  '85
Chan, Grace   (84, F.4) 
Chang, Shirley
Tai, Annie
Woo, Esther


'86
Wan, Winnie Tak Yu


'87
Antonio, Patricia
Chong, Gabel
Fung, Celine
Tong, Judy
Wang, Jennifer  (86, F.4)


'88
Chan, Ada
Cheung, Lolita
Cheung, Rosetta
Cheung, Wendy
Ha, Heidi (85, F.2)  
Ho, Piera
Leung, Crystal
Wang, Frances
Wu, Mary


'89
Chan, Ada
Chan, Angela (86, F.2)
Chan, Winnie Wing Yin 
Foo, Veronica
Ho, Wendy
Lam, Cynthia
Lau, Michelle
Lee, Cathy
Lee, Kitven
Lee, Nicole
Leung, Amanda
Leung, Eva
Liu, Elizabeth
Lin, Janice
Lo, Peggy
Luk, Elizabeth
Mak, Michelle
Tsang, Karen K L
Wong, Susan
Wu, Iris Suet Yee
Yuen, Selina   (88, F.4) 
Yung, Lisette


'90
Che, Denise
Kwong, Bonnie
Lam, Joyce  (89, F.4) 
Lee, Odilia
Lynn, Cecilia
Ng, Dora
On, Marina  (89, F.4) 
Shek, Ada
Siu, Olivia  (89, F.4)
Wong, Vivien
Yeung, Vivien

'91
Chan, Eva  (88, F.2)
Cheung, Lee Shun Julie
Fong, Agnes
Lam, K.M Kitty

'92
Tam, Cindy
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	Last update : 11/16/92



















Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: Re: O'Brien road 7-Eleven busted.......(finally)
Keywords: Heroin, Dealer, and Jail
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:43:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.155306.14713@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhyman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Hyman) writes:
>
>On Wednesday the 17th of November at 8pm police raided the O'Brien Road
>7-Eleven and arrested 6 heroin dealers. Fo those native HongKongers, you
>might know the the 7-Eleven is an infamous dealing point for young chinese
>and expatriates. The place operates 24 hours a day and a little packet of
>heroin costs just $120 Hong Kong dollars. Last year a South China Morning
>Post write was offered som while he was getting a drink, and he wrote
>about it in the paper, so, finally a year later they decide to raid the
>place. But undoubtedly new dealer will just take their place. The six
>dealers were released on 5000 dollars bail and the hearing continues...
>
>-ThaiStick (yes, I'm back)

Sweet!!!! salute to the Hong Kong Royal Police Department (hope i get the
name of the police department right).  Speaking about the police
department, i feel sorry about them.  I've heard less and less people
willing to be a policeman,  and that's why they raise the salary to
attract more people.

Fran
From: eleea3z@rosie.uh.edu (William Ngo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Canada resident working in U.S.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:02 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi there!  I am a Canada resident who have been studying in U.S. for the
past few years.  A month ago I just got a job in TX and I have started
working since then.   My question is how to keep working in U.S. while
not losing my Canada resident status.  Now I am on F-1 practical trainning
and holding HK Bristish passport.  Will I have any trouble to get a 
returning permit to Canada if I tell the Canada INS that I am working in U.S.?
Or else I should keep my old permit based on my absence due to studying
overseas?  I remember someone talked about this on the net three or four
months ago.  Would anyone kind enough to tell me his or her experience since
I am not the only one in this case?
From: s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ka Wo Anthony Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Your university making $$$ out of you?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:55:44 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Keywords: $$$, brand-name, wholesome policies, yeck, etc.

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:

>Some examples:
>(1) $200 a term "Instructional Technology Fee" for all engineering students
>(2) $900 a year of trash health insurance from your university, in which you
>    must pay first, then make the insurance claim

My godness! This is a robbery! $900 a year for health insurance?
You definitly need it coz you'll be fainted after you heard it.

>(3) $70 non-refundable signup fee for simply buying a meal-plan
>(4) 16.9% A.P.R. for any overdue balance on your student account
>(5) $0.50 a piece of laser printout
>(6) use the textbook by your professor, which the book is not very good, the
>    size not very big, but charge you $60 a piece
>(7) $70-90 registration fee a term
>(8) $50-80 "Building and Facilities Maintenance Fee" a term

>Frankly, I found some very pretigious schools do these kind of things.  The

It doesn't matter whether it is a pretigious school, every uni practise
this sort of thing (especially to overseas students).

Anthony.
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HKPOPSTAR
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:30:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <28558@castle.ed.ac.uk> ifan@festival.ed.ac.uk (Shen I-Fan) writes:
>
>Would you please suggest any exciting pictures which will increase the 
>potential of research works?
>
>I think there are many people waiting for.  

If this is "Hey, what pictures would you guys out there like to see
computerized?"  Then, here's a few people I'd like gif'ed.
I'm sure the pictures exist, and if I had a scanner, I'd be scanning...
	Chow Hi Mai (I think that's how you spell it.  I don't know
		if she has an English name.  If this is a bit vague,
		well she did a tv series with Leon called "This Life,
		No Regrets" (I  think).  Also, pictures of the other
		actress in this same series by TVB would be nice.  In
		Fact, my sister has this book full of pictures specifically
		for that tv series, and almost all of those pictures
		are very nice.
	Lam Git Ying (don't know her English name, sorry)
	Law Wai Guen ('')
 	Money Lo Mun Yee
Thanks.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Billy H. Chan 	<bhchan@ocf.berkeley.edu>   "Life: a strange new
Just Babbling   <bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>   state of confusion"
Disclaimer 1:   I'm actually a really nice person. (sorta) :) ;)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: u521211@csi.uottawa.ca (Kin)
Subject:  Need software to read big5 files on PC
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:15:07 GMT

Hi,
	Can any one tell me more about big5 codes file.  I need the  
program to read this kind of file too.  Since some of the new group file  
is formated as a big5 codes file. I am usd Unix Sun station in school and  
PC at home. my mailing address is following:
			kin@csi.uottawa.ca
		Thank you anyone whose respond this msg.


			  ^ ^
			 <. .>
			 { V }		kin
			
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:19:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Is sport hunting a sport? (Re: Is is right to eat dogs?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard SSG/CCSY-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / yimwm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Warren Yim) /  4:09 pm  Nov 16, 1992 /

>I guess the reson that Eating Dog is illegal in Hong Kong because many
>people keep dogs as pets. If you ask why it is legal to eat cat while 
>many people keep cats as pets too. Let's think about how the law of 
>prohibiting people to eat dog is passed. There must be someone propose
>the law first and get a lot of support to pass the law. I think if you
>propose that eating even apple is illegal and you can persuade a large
>group of people to support your argument, it is not supprised that 
>eating apple is illegal in HK..

>Just a silly thought.

Non, it is the english found that dog eating is too much for them. My aunt
has a lot of dog as pet (may not be exactly the pet in western people's 
view). When she came to UK, she ate them all. Dog eating is never wrong
in Chinese culture (It has a history of over 2000 years). A lot of people
eating their own dogs, chickens (Mind you, most of the chinese farmer
can eat chicken only if they feed chickens).

Well, I just look around to see any meats around. Very unfortune, they are all
Fan dog, and I was told that Fan dog cannot be eaten (I don't know why). 
Alternatively, I would go to pet shop to buy a snake. I may have difficulty
to explain to the shop keeper why I buy a snake every month.

Have fan

Yuk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:25:45 GMT


Hey, the discussion so far is really lackluster. Let me put some
oil on fire. :-)

Is it right to eat dogs?

Well, that depends on what dogs. I'm aware of 3 rules:

1) Lo Gou Lun Mau Yi, Sig Sei Mo Yan Chi.
   Hence, thy shall not eat old dogs.

2) 1 Wong(yellow) 2 Hak(black) 3 Fa(spotty) 4 Bak(white).
   This rule grades the taste/nutritional_value of dog meat according
   to their skin color/pattern.

3) Don't eat dog meat and green bean in the same meal.

After taking care of the dog meat, now, on cooking method/dish: I felt
quite shameful that I can only remember one dish: "Mon" with Leeks
(Ta_Shuun) - it is yum yum yum. Any new ideas? BTW, I have long
been thinging going to ShumZhen or Canton to have a dog meat feast next
year when I go back to HK. Anyone has info. about which resturants are
good? Thanks in advance.


Steven
PS. I don't hate dogs, but I don't like them either.
PSS. I quite like pigs, but I eat pork (not pig meat, of course).
PSSS. I like cats a lot, and I haven't eaten any cat, and probably will
      not eat cat in the future. But I won't object others to eat cat
      as long as what they eat is not mine.
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daisuke Kitamura)
Subject: Ban Chinese rice?! You crazy?!
Summary: China Imports most of the food in HK
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:31:51 GMT

	A while ago, I read someone who told us to stop eating Chinese rice.
Kind of crazy if you ask me. So fine, in Hong Kong we can always eat rice
grown in Australia or Thailand right, but I assume you'd like to extend the
ban on other Chinese imports too right? Well in Hong Kong, most of our fresh
meat and vegetables come from China. Regardless of the fact that they seem to
be tainted with dangerous pesticides most of the time, they are the largest
importer of food crops in Hong Kong what ma I supposed to eat if I stop eating
Chinese food products? Goto Oliver delicatessins and buy some Salami for HK$35
for 10-15 slices? Your proposal to stop eating Chinese rice and other Chinese
food crops is just impossible considering the fact that Hong Kong also imports
a lot of it's drinking water from china too.

dai
From: Enzo.Michelangeli@f74.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Enzo Michelangeli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 11:39:29 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 JCW> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>On the issue of human rights, I believe there are two 
>different standards.
>Chinese/Confucius vs Western/USA.  

 JCW> I don't think so.  People are essentially the same everywhere, and the
 JCW> basic ideas of what is right and wrong tend to be similar.

The people are indeed essentially the same, but the cultures are not. There's 
no reason why a Chinese shouldn't like "western" ideas, especially if he/she 
lives in a western country for a while; the opposite is of course also true: for 
example, I feel much more sympathetic towards the Confucianism than the western 
ethics!A For example, I consider deeply wrong talking about "human rights" as a 
thing given by nature or by God; a fair and efficient society is an extremely 
sophisticated (albeit much desirable) artwork, and by no means the human beings are 
"naturally" inclined to it. As a matter of fact, most of the human history has 
been spent under absolute monarchies. Thinking that the democracy may be spread 
just by preaching its gospel, as often the American governments try to do, is 
extremely naive.

 JCW> situation is different, and China (like the Middle East and India) has
 JCW> had to find some way of reconciling traditional norms (such as
 JCW> Confucianism) with modern global society.

I think that the major problem of China is in a ruling party which is SO afraid 
of any potential destabilization, that considers any new idea as deeply 
dangerous.

 JCW> "fundamentalist Confucianism" which is similar to "fundamentalist
 JCW> Islam."  I don't think that would be healthy.

I absolutely agree. In this world we don't need more intolerance than we 
already have! However, please note that USA is one of the LESS tolerant places I've 
ever seen, and the different ethnic groups, even whey they refain from killing 
each other, mix together with the same enthusiasm as water with oil! So much for 
the "melting pot".

 JCW>                                                      Second, Chinese
 JCW> do not give "authority" unlimited power.  If an authority is corrupt,
 JCW> incompetent, or malicious, then that authority is no longer
 JCW> legitimate.

Exactly: Confucius is very clear on that, and reputes the bad government as a 
major ill.

- Enzo.Michelangeli@f74.n700.z6.fidonet.org
- michelangeli@attmail.com


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:58:33 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <11103@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>Our slogan is:
>
>"Support democracy in HK, visit HK but don't go to China !"
>

Nope.  It won't work.  China is not that dependent on tourists.

I have a better idea, I hope.   Everyone in this group, please ask everybody
in your sight in the next few years:

********************************************
**															                         **
** DO NOT EAT THE CHINA-PLANTED RICE!!!!! **
**															                         **
********************************************

Ha ha, that will be quite a fatal blow!  And you know what?  Now we have to
switch to Canadian and American rice.  Thus the demand for rice will increase
and put a good kick to the weak economy!!!!!

So all of you who couldn't get a job yet:  Don't eat Chinese rice!

- Louis
From: dandus@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel Hok-Yin Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Public Access Network in HK ?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:16:12 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: tokio.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov18.042125.22924@cs.uow.edu.au> u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au
 (Chung Ming Liu) writes:
>I'm just wondering are there any public access network (to internet) in HK ?
>
>
>Chung Ming Liu
>u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au
>

Yes.  Try the Global Network Comunication Technology Co. 's BBS (852)
492 5025 in HK.  It allows you to send internet mail and that's all.
They say that if you want ftp and telnet, they will have to charge
$6-8 per minute which I don't think it is worth.

Their fee schedule is currently like this:

	A lump sum of $80 per month.  This will cover a reasonable
	amount of email (they did not specify how much is considered
	reasonable, but surely, sending programs in encoded binary
	form will be near the limit.)

	They don't charge you by connection time.  But I was told that
	they impose a 15-minute limit to one session.

	I nearly forgot, they charge a one-time $20 set up fee.

	They prefer you to pay quarterly.  A check to a certain address
	is the method. (The address can be obtained when you login.)

Nov is the free try month.  Once you are registered as a BBS member
(i.e.  paid the $20 + $80 * 3), you will enjoy another free month in
Dec.

| My personal review of the BBS:
|
| Not an easy one for rookie.  You have to be very familiar with how
| BBS arrange things in a hierarchy of menus.  On-line is barely enough
| for you to explore the BBS.  The user interface is not consistence
| (this may due to constant improvement done by the sysop).
|
| One good thing about the BBS is it support internet email.  Just type in
| the internet address when you are asked the destination of your mail. Your
| internet address is <your_username>@gnct.com so everybody on the net can send
| you mail.

-- Hok




Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: so@brownie.cs.wisc.edu (Bryan S. So)
Subject: HK Female Hackers?
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:53:47 GMT

I know of many DOS/Mac/UNIX hackers from HK (myself included), and
we suspect there is no HK female hackers.

By hackers, an informal definition is, write their own computer
programs for fun OR read most of UNIX manuals (or DOS equivalents)
OR stay up all night programming/playing games OR talk in techno
locution about BIOS/TSR/device drivers/Michaelangelo/... at dinner 
time...


Bryan
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HKPA.POPSTARS - New picture postings - vchow###.gif
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:57:37 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca


HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE - POPSTAR COLLECTION (HKPA.POPSTARS)
===============================================================
NEW PICTURE POSTINGS
====================

Hello all. I've just posted the last of my Vivian pictures to the
newsgroups alt.binaries.pictures and alt.binaries.pictures.misc
as follows....

File:        vchow0a7.gif
Description: Vivian Chow
Resolution:  640 x 480 x 256 colors
Contributor: <tseung@ecf.toronto.edu>

File:        vchow0a8.gif
Description: Vivian Chow
Resolution:  640 x 480 x 256 colors
Contributor: <tseung@ecf.toronto.edu>

Alan will upload them to the ftp site soon.

Special thanks to Tseung for the pictures.

Enjoy!

Thomas.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Need software to read big5 files on PC
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:46:07 GMT

I'd like to be able to read big5 files on PC (or to convert big5 to GB files
-- I have got software to read GB files on PC).  Can anyone suggest me an
FTP site please?  Thanks in advance.

---- Daniel Yuen
     (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: psmkong@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Kong)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:41:34 GMT


Even if the KCR has been opened for 100 years, I doubt I would remember it since
I was only 5 years old.
From: cmhui@cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:10:35 GMT

b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:

>In <1992Nov22.070513.19458@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:


>>You get my point. Hong Kong people need to fight for democracy from
>>CHINA, not rely on Patten. If Britain really want to bring democracy
>>system to Hong Kong, ....

>iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:

>>think so?   On the other hand, if Pattern wins, I think 99% of the HK's
>>reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

>I think we should just Patten's proposal by how much his proposal can
>really benefit our H.K. society rather than how much we hate, dislike, or
>distrust British government.

>Great Era.

Once again, I urge you to read more history book. UK had never done even
a single good job at her ex-colony when they retreated.