From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: An Anonymous Reader's Comments on the Big Flame War
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:26:46 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct15.204548.10178@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
> In article <98740@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
#     #While listening to my "favorite" evangelical Christian radio
#     #show, I have heard the "illustrious" "Dr." D. James Kennedy
#     #state that one-third of gays commit suicide in their teens,
#     #because of their homosexuality, and that this is certainly
#     #not a "gay" lifestyle to be enjoyed, but rather avoided, due
#     #to its inherent "sinfullness", and lack of (spiritual)
#     #fulfillment. I fully expected him to further conclude that
#     #rape victims ought to be condemned as well, for their
#     #abnormally high levels of depression.
# 
# That would be a false comparision. Rape victims clearly have been
# subject to an act of coercion. Homosexuals have not been coerced,
# and may have a choice about their sexuality.

However, if homosexuals are the result of childhood sexual
trauma (my hypothesis), their level of choice may be somewhat
constrained, until they work through the trauma.  This may
explain why homosexuals who try to straighten out frequently
fail.

#     #Re: this (seemingly endless) debate, one point that I have
#     #*not* seen stressed, is the percentage of closeted
#     #homosexuals, and how this might skew any sort of statistical
#     #analysis. It should be obvious that it is impossible to
#     #measure the extent of homosexuals who will not admit to being
#     #homosexuals; I firmly believe that the actual number of gays
#     #*is* 10%, give or take an order of magnitude. (For the
#     #subtlety-impaired, please re-read the last sentence, or ask
#     #someone to interpret it for you). I also firmly believe that
#     #this silent majority would render *any* sort of statistical
#     #analysis or any conclusions derived from such analysis
#     #*completely* meaningless; and that certainly includes the
#     #surveys that Clayton refers to, and any spurious conclusions
#     #he may have come up with, regarding homosexual "promiscuity",
#     #and any imagined correlation with child molestation. An
#     #example of the meaninglessness of such surveys is in the
#     #apparent disparity between average incomes of gays and
#     #straights, with a complete disregard for the fact that lower
#     #income homosexuals can not *afford* to come out of the
#     #closet.
# 
# Is closeted-ness a possible transient aspect? When I was 13, I liked
# 13-year old girls. I don't anymore. Perhaps in some/many homosexuals,
# a possible imprinting point went in the wrong direction? I.e., it's not
# a closet so much as an extended stop at an intersection while trying to
# figure out which way one wants to go.

Until the 1970s, that was the view of the psychiatric community --
that homosexuality, like many other sexual dysfunctions such as
fetishism, was a form of arrested sexual development.

#     #in general. I believe that Clayton, and people like him, have
#     #caused *far* more damage, and are a *far* greater threat, to
#     #society than child molestors. (Don't get me wrong; raping
#     #children *is* a bad thing. But Clayton is even worse.)

I missed this the first time.  My actions are worse than raping
children.  You have just proved my point about the lack of 
concern about child molestation in the homosexual community.
My political agitation is WORSE than raping a child.  What sort
of monster are you?

# phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
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