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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 15:42:49 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM

In article <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) says:
.
> I frequently get called all sorts of names for being less
> than enthusiastic about our so-called "multicultural
> society".  Here is a good example of the blessing it brings
> to our once peaceful country.....

> (supposed "example" of "multiculturalism" deleted)

> To believe that multiculturalism somehow improves our
> society is just plain liberal mush.  What sort of blessing
> is it to force our police officers to hide from "Hispanic"
> barbarians when they should be out on the streets?

Well,Jack,I had you pegged wrongly as a racist. You can now feel safe
from that charge. You're a racist _idiot_.

How is a macho celebration rite (and a pretty stupid one,I agree) supposed to
be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
society?

Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?

You really should stop attempting to paint entire groups of people with the
broad brush you usually use,Jack,since you'd be the first cretin to start
whining if any of _them_ branded you in a similar fashion.

Twerp.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:13:12 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
 <93006.113603U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <C0Gw40.DFr@ddsw1.mcs.com>

In article <C0Gw40.DFr@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>I am afraid that you are creating a stereotype by casting me as some sort
>of racist bigot because I bring up a subject that you disagree with.

Wrong,Captain Klutz. I'm asserting that you're a racist bigot because you've
given me-or anyone else on reading on netnews-no indication of the opposite,
and because your posts spout nothing _but_ racist claptrap.

>The simple truth is that I have no problem with other cultures, even
>disgusting
>ones

So which are the "disgusting ones",in your opinion?

>as long as there is enough space so they do not bump into each other and
>create friction.

....or don't come to _your_ neighborhood even if they're law-abiding citizens,
correct?

> As the population of the country/world grows the shortage  (.....?)

Thanks for knowing how to finish off a reply before you post it to netnews,
Jack. Sheeesh.....

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:50:23 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <93006.113603U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>If you're so adamant about the importation of supposedly alien cultures
>into American society,tell me this-since a good deal of the (European)
>ethnic diversity of this country occured because of immigration during
>the 19th and early-20th centuries,how come our precious social stability
>didn't whither away _then_,if the importation of non-Anglo Saxon cultures
>is such a bad thing?
>
>Likewise,what about immigrants from China,Vietnam or Korea? If I remember
>correctly,these groups are less prone to violence than even native-born
>US citizens for the most part and obtain a higher degree of education
>than even "white" ethnic groups,to boot. Do they fit into your stereo-
>type?


I am afraid that you are creating a stereotype by casting me as some sort
of racist bigot because I bring up a subject that you disagree with.

The simple truth is that I have no problem with other cultures, even disgusting
ones as long as there is enough space so they do not bump into each other and
create friction.  As the population of the country/world grows the shortage
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:42:46 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling):
>The simple truth is that I have no problem with other cultures, even
>disgusting ones [...]

Heh.

[no, wait...]

Feh.

[yeah, that's it]
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:05:46 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
 <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com>

In article <C0GvtK.Czt@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan6.164004.17266@udel.edu> carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark
>C.
>Carroll) writes:
>>
>>Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
>>perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
>>culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
>>it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
>>made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of.
>
>That may have been true in the past but the vast majority of people
>attempting to enter at this time bring nothing butt misery with them.

So did the Irish when they fled for their lives during the Potato Famine
of the 1840's,supposedly....and that's "but",Jack.

>We don't need anymore wretched refuse.

So why are _you_ still here,good sir?

>It's time to send the
>Statue of Liberty somewhere else.  Perhaps to Isreal.

That's spelled "Israel",Jack.

Are you implying,O Great Fountainhead of Anti-Zionism,that Israel actually
_does_ have a right to exist? Why,I'm shocked.....

> They seem to
>want immigrants,  we don't need anymore.

Who in the hell _says_ "we" don't? You may not,but I consider any sort of
rejection of legal immigrants to this country an incredibly stupid rejection
of the principles this country supposedly stands for.

> The bucket is full.  NO
>HELP WANTED.

According to you,of course. Given your reputation as a despicable net.trash-
slinger, that's not much help to your crusade.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:37:10 GMT

gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
 
# You ever go out for Chinese food, Jack? or Italian? or Polish? 

Some Krepalech, Schmidling? Matzos, perhaps? Come on, be a mensh.

-Danny Keren.


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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: What about Iraq
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:32:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.031337.13983@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS) writes:
}	I can't believe that there has been no mention of the
}recent Iraqi developments in this group. We're talking about going
}to war again. If this isn't mentioned in misc.headlines then what
}is this group for?

Complaining about the US of A.
From: cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:47:38 GMT

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

> >Jack, you might be surprised to know that there are some of us who
> believe that the real value in "this country" is that it is not a
> monoculture, that it is one of the few places in the world in which the
> entire concept is that a whole lot of different people can co-exist --
> with a little effort on everyone's part.
> 
> I am glad you said "some of us", because that allows room for us "bigots" to 
> hold a different opinion or at least a rational and objective view of it.
> 
> But to the point, aside from Japan and Israel, most countries provide 
> opportunities for a lot of different people to co-exist.  There is little 
> unique about the US in that repsect.  What is unique, is the liberal pressure 
> and propaganda aimed at increasing the influx of more and different people, 
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> the purpose of which is to promote and encourage liberal legislation.
> 
> js
> 
That should have read "more uneducated and unemployable people", for the
same purpose.  You can't build a socialist society without any 
"disadvantaged" to help out with social services financed through armed
robbery (IRS).  Liberals are more than happy to exclude Slavics,
Latinos, Asians and Middle Easterners with education, because these people
have something to offer besides votes for the left.           

I disagree with you in that I think our borders should be open to anyone
who wants to immigrate and then let them fend for themselves.  That's the 
way to make our nation stronger.  The left wing in Congress sucks up to labor 
unions and greenies by enacting racist anti-trade policies against our
millions of neighbors while whining about non-admission of a few thousand
AIDS-infested derelicts who don't like the warlord they themselves elected 
into power.  

The United States was built by pioneers who worked hard, slaves
that, unfortunately, were forced to work hard, and immigrants who worked
hard, and now since the disaster of the New Deal, the US is being torn down
by parasites looking for a free ride and power hungry bloodsuckers willing
to give it to them.

	Chris Burian---

		* Just say NO to anti-drug thugs. *

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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:56:01 GMT

In <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:

> I frequently get called all sorts of names for being less 
> than enthusiastic about our so-called "multicultural 
> society".  Here is a good example of the blessing it brings 
> to our once peaceful country.....
 
First of all, could you explain exactly what this post has to do with
multiculturalism?

And speaking of "mush," could you elaborate on exactly *when* our
country was peaceful?

[An AP articule about a woman killed by a stray bullet fired into the air on 
New Years:

>   Firing guns to celebrate the new year is customary in 
> Hispanic communities from Los Angeles to this Miami suburb. 
> Random deaths and injuries from the gunfire are not uncommon.

>    Police in Hialeah say they halt patrols and seek shelter 
> right before midnight.   "Everyone who has worked here a 
> while knows to take cover," said Hialeah homicide detective 
> Lorenzo Trujillo. "You have thousands of people shooting at
> the same time all over town."
> .............
 
> To believe that multiculturalism somehow improves our 
> society is just plain liberal mush.  What sort of blessing 
> is it to force our police officers to hide from "Hispanic" 
> barbarians when they should be out on the streets?

"Hispanic" barbarians, huh?
Why the quotation marks around Hispanic?

And what does this have to do with multiculturalism?
 
-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Is it too early to start making predictions for 1993?
niepornt@phoenix.    | Probably, but that never stopped me before.
   princeton.edu     | ALE: Baltimore ALW: Chicago NLE: Montreal NLW: Atlanta
Baltimore Orioles 93 | AL MVP: Cal Ripken  AL Cy Young: Mike Mussina
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:53:35 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
 <1993Jan6.101755.1909@Princeton.EDU> <C0GvMJ.Cvz@ddsw1.mcs.com>

In article <C0GvMJ.Cvz@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>
>In article <1993Jan6.101755.1909@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
>(David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>In <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>
>>>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>>>society?
>>
>>>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?
>>
>>>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>>>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.
>>
>>Where?


>Just about as silly as African-American isn't it?

You _did_ invent the term "Hispania",Jack,so you should know first hand
about its silliness,right?

> All black people are
>from Africa according to Sister Solja.  She is an African child but so
>is De Klerk and confused are they all.

Aside from the fact that "and confused are they all" is an utterly un-
grammatical phrase,the only thing the above "observation" seems to indicate
is that you're assuming that Sister Souljah is universally accepted as a
spokesman for the African American community-a blatant assertion if there
ever was one,of course.

Likewise,what in the hell does it have to do with the original sub-
ject of this post?

>>It's sort of odd to say "other" cultures when you live in the United
>>States, since there isn't a native culture here at all.  Virtually *all*
>>of the culture in this country was imported.

>If you deny the existance of "other" cultures, than you deny the existance
>of multiculturalism, which happens to be the subject of this thread.

Thanks for displaying the intellectual cowardice necessary to ignore Mr.
Nieporent's previous paragraph,Jack. What your "reply" to that paragraph
has to do with the _existence_ of those cultures (as opposed to your
solipsistic "denial" of their existence,whatever _that_ means) is an
intellectual puzzle I'll save for later,along with your suspicious argu-
ment that all Hispanics are "barbarians" by virtue of the actions of one
subset of that group.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 13:39:11 MST
 ok.com> <C0IL3K.3KG@ddsw1.mcs.com><93011.162849U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <1993Jan12.115131.2396@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1993Jan12.115131.2396@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
says:
>
>  Why is it that
>when people run short on logic they start nitpicking grammar and typooooos?
>
>-Joe Gaut

  Um... why is it that when people want to defend ARF they compare him
to Louis Lamour?
--
Rick Anderson  librba@BYUVM.BITNET
From: v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE INDIA AND AFGHANISTAN
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am normally not one to allow myself to be drawn into useless discussions on
the net, but this time I can not help myself. I would like whosoever responded
to my last post to go back and RE - READ it word for word. Did I even once make
any mention of Pakistan? Is there any mention of any aid or otherwise coming
from across the border? I clearly stated that the press should be doing more
than what it is doing to report the dastardly deeds of the Occupational forces.
It has been done in only spot areas when journalists have had to go to Kashmir
under the guise of being tourists so that the true story could come out. 


Secondly, please do not proclaim to me or to anybody else Israel's respect and
regard for human rights. As you can plainly see, their recent deportation of
415 Lebanese, against the orders of the UN, is a blatant proof of their own
self righteousness. When Israel can kidnap clerics, such as the one interviewed
on 60 MINUTES, and occupy lands not belonging to it, then they cannot claim, or
rather you cannot claim, how much they support human rights and other such
drivel. It is clear that your love of the Israelis is a direct result of their
increased relationship with India in regards to combat training. I suppose that
when Yasir Arafat visited Rajiv Gandhi, the shoe was on the other foot when he
proclaimed his support for the Palestinians. 


There is no arguing certain things. What India is doing in Kashmir is wrong.
Their cold blooded, wanton killing of innocents is completely unjustified. If
they kill militants, so be it, but far too many innocents have perished for
these to be considered incidental. International law has dictated a policy on
Kashmir which has been supported by the UN on two occasions, yet India remains
defiant.The US State Department has a report on Kashmir, as does the US
Congressional Human Rights Caucus and also Amnesty International, Asia Watch,
and many others. For anybody interested in reading these, just write your
Congressman and request a copy of any of these findings. Notice, they are all
published by non - partisan groups, so whatever you read is probably quite
accurate and true. 


Thank You.
Sareer A. Fazili  
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From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Random Organization Name Generator
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:49:13 GMT

In article <C0C66B.96w@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
	[Schmidling's posting of an AP article about a Florida Hispanic
	woman killed by New Year's gunfire, and his comments about
	not wanting more of Them here because America is a bucket of
	something-or-other which is now full.]

A guy a went to high school was killed in a similar accident.
He was going to a college lacrosse game [U.of.Del., I think], 
and was hit in the head by a bullet.  Some kid a quarter mile away was
cleaning a gun in his garage, and decided to shoot at a bird.
I also knew a guy who was blinded by playing with firecrackers,
another stupid Yankee holiday tradition.

On the other hand, I grew up in a culture where we got our meat at
grocery stores and most of our parents didn't let us buy fireworks.
But we did go to churches that taught us that God had created everybody,
and that we were all brothers and sisters and ought to act like it
and respect each other, regardless of color or where our parents came
here from.  (My family were latecomers, didn't get here until 1620,
and went home again for a year or two; some didn't even get here until
the late 1700s.  But we let you in anyway, and there's plenty of room
for everyone - try asking some Kansas farmer about the ever-decreasing
demand for farmland if you think otherwise - why you wouldn't even
need a fence around your backyard to keep the neighbors quiet if you
bought yourself a few hundred acres.  (Nice backyard, BTW, but if
you're so against multi-culturalism, shouldn't you just grow short
turf-grass like Everyone Else instead of supporting biological diversity?))

Also, the religion you were disparaging spelled is Santeria, Jack, and 
some of its customs *are* as offensive as the good old American
tradition of drinking a cup of blood from the first deer you kill,
but not as offensive as, say, dressing up in white robes to terrorize
or kill your neighbors.  














--
#				Pray for peace;      Bill
# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
Bush's pardon of his co-conspirators shows that he is, in the end, still a wimp.
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From: carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:40:04 GMT

In article <C0F1II.I25@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <93004.154249U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>be representative of the entire length and breadth of Hispanic culture and
>>society?
>>
>>Furthermore,how is one tragic incident _caused_ by the aforementioned macho
>>celebration rite supposed to stain the entire idea of understanding other
>>cultures on a basis other than the inane gibberish you churn out regularly?
>
>
>First of all, it was the AP that called it a Hispanic tradition.  I only
>pointed out that we would be better off if it had stayed in Hispania.

Saying "I didn't say it, they did" does not change your responsibility
for asserting the truth of a statement. (Even though you often behave
as if it does.) 

>I have no problem with understanding other cultures, I just don't wish
>to import them into this country.

You have a _great_ problem understanding other cultures. You have no
problem *hating* other cultures.

Every culture brings with it some negatives - because people aren't
perfect. But every culture also brings with it some positives. Every
culture that has come to America has changed after it got here, and as
it has changed, it has changed the culture around it. Every group has
made unique contributions to the culture that we are a part of. 

>The one tragic incident was the result of thousands of individual acts
>of barbarism, anyone of which could have ended the same way.

The one tragic incidient was the result of one kind of reprehensible,
irresponsible behavior. Americans of all races, colors, ethnicities,
etc., have been known to participate in reprehensible, irresponsible
behavior. For example, your own beloved white men have been known to
take part in gang-rapes in fraternity houses, hangings of innocent men
who have the wrong skin color, etc.

	<MC>
-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     || "I'm not dumb, 
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS||  I just have a command of thoroughly 
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker ||  useless information."
|| carroll@udel.edu             || 	-Calvin
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