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From: ba005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stacey Armstrong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: You will be able to download software from IRC
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:51:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ba005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stacey Armstrong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tonyc@compnews.co.uk (Tony Clark) says:

>I am at this moment re-writing CBM-BOT on irc (#C-64) so you will be able to
>ask it to dcc send demo files, utilities, musix and editors, graphix editors,
>coding utilities........
>
>Anybody interested in this before i start the project.
>
Well, I for one am interested.  It would beat having to wait for ftpmail
to get around to sending my files to me.
 
However, I do not know how to use dcc.  I have tried, but it just does
not work for me.  Can anyone clue me in on this?
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From: srowe@fulcrum.co.uk (Simon Rowe)
Subject: Re: 2 Q's: BMI & SAVE@
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:54:44 GMT

Could someone post the patch to fix the "@:fname" bug (if it is fairly short).
From: tonyc@compnews.co.uk (Tony Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: NEW IRC MEETING...PLEASE READ
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:08:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.compnews.co.uk
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nevs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt) writes:
: William Jhun (ec_ind03@Oswego.EDU) wrote:
: 
: : Sorry about the short of notice, and yes, Sunday was a bad day
: : It may have been to late in Germany, sorry Sven, but I will try to make
: : it a little earlier this time
: : -MEETING PLACE FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS IS ON IRC in channel #C-64
: : Scheduled for next FRIDAY at 6:00pm EST...POST REMINDERS THE DAY BEFORE...
: 
: Oh well,this is 0:00 MET ! 
: What about some hours earlier ?
: Sven

Yeh, i would take part but 0:00 is too late for me......
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: bvrielin@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Bruce Vrieling)
Subject: Re: 2 Q's: BMI & SAVE@
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:43:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.043922.20002@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>Huh??  If you always SCRATCH the file then SAVE, you will not run into
>the @-save bug, because you're NOT USING @-save!!  :)

David,

I think the problem here is that a certain Transactor article a few years
ago said one COULD get the SAVE@ bug this way.

What happened was that the author of the article wrote a program that if run
long enough on a disk, would properly demonstrate the SAVE@ bug. This was
published in Transactor (even though the editor mentioned the program did
not 'work' (ie. screw up a directory) on his computer). A followup article
made a note that if one removed the SAVE@ line, and inserted a SCRATCH
followed by a SAVE, exactly the same problems appeared. THIS is why people
say the problem exists with scratch and save as well.

My own personal opinion on this mess is that the article completely missed
the mark. The editor could not duplicate the problem, and neither could I
(as I remember it). Therefore, when the problem persisted with 'scratch and
save', it is questionable as to whether the entire problem was not in his
drive only. Ie. he did not prove that SAVE@ existed, he simply demonstrated
a problem his drive was experiencing.

My two cents..

...Bruce
From: d_luk@pavo.concordia.ca (LUK, DEREK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: life beyond 2400 for C64?
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:14:00 GMT

Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
From: ac803@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael W. Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Techmedia products?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:39:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac803@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael W. Kelley)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz) says:

>I know Techmedia was RUN magazine, is Techmedia a catalog of sorts?  How
>can I get Techmedia?
>
>Chuck
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>
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From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Parsec 128 ACCELERATOR board news!
Date: 29 Jan 1993 02:22:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

This just in on GEnie:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Category 2,  Topic 12
Message 42        Thu Jan 28, 1993
C128.JBEE                    at 19:31 EST
 
 Bil Herd a former Commodore engineer has agreed to help me produce the
 speed-up board for the C-128.  Actually, Bil is the one that helped
 design both the C-128 and REUs (sys 32800,123,45,6).  I expect to have
 him here shortly under the CBM-PRESS account.
 
 I will also have a few other experts helping out on the project, some
 which are already online ;)
 
 Once we have everything planned out and the directions set for the
 design goals I will post more here and have a RTC.
 
 I would say at this point it is a go :)
 
 ------------


-Rob Knop
rknop@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ridge
From: BJuliano@rm42.ucc.uconn.edu (Bryan Juliano)
Subject: X-windows?
Organization: University of Connecticut Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:07:46 GMT

     Has X ever been ported to these dinosaurs?  I would like to play, but 
am not sure if its feasible, shoul be I expect???


Bryan Juliano
UConn Residence Hall
Network Administrator
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: ken@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Ken MacGregor)
Subject: SCSI disk upgrade for 3450
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:30:32 GMT


We wish to upgrade the disk storage on our NCR 3450.  According to the
local distributor the ONLY disk >1Gb which is approved is the Seagate
model ST41601N and this requires a proprietary NCR firmware upgrade so
cannot be sold direct to us.

All the other computers in the dept - Sun's, SG's Vaxen etc. permit
upgrade by user purchased SCSI disks for which we enjoy the eductaional
discount.  There is no educational discount from NCR is SA.

Does anyone have any knowledge of other disks which can be used to
upgrade the 3450.

Ken
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From: kevin@shady.UUCP (Kevin Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: SCSI disk upgrade for 3450
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:25:54 GMT
Organization: ShadeTree Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan25.161616.8596@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> wescott@yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Mike.Wescott) writes:
:>In article <C1Eyyw.ApA@casper.cs.uct.ac.za>, ken@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Ken MacGregor) writes:
:>
:>|> We wish to upgrade the disk storage on our NCR 3450.  According to the
:>|> local distributor the ONLY disk >1Gb which is approved is the Seagate
:>|> model ST41601N and this requires a proprietary NCR firmware upgrade so
:>|> cannot be sold direct to us.
:>
:>The SCSI subsystem is written, as best we know how, to accommodate
:>generic SCSI peripherals.  Sometimes, however, we find bugs or other
:>problems in these peripherals that the vendor will fix by making an NCR
:>only change to their firmware.  I know of no contractual requirement
:>(***disclaimer*** but it's not my job to know), that prevents a vendor
:>from releasing that firmware to other customers.  I can think of
:>several support issues whereby a vendor would not want you to have a
:>firmware set that was "non-standard".
:>
:>|> All the other computers in the dept - Sun's, SG's Vaxen etc. permit
:>|> upgrade by user purchased SCSI disks for which we enjoy the eductaional
:>|> discount.  There is no educational discount from NCR is SA.
:>
:>|> Does anyone have any knowledge of other disks which can be used to
:>|> upgrade the 3450.
:>
:>There is a good chance that a given drive will function correctly in
:>the 3450.  There is also a good chance that you'll have a hard time
:>getting support if something goes wrong.  And some of these devices do
:>have bugs that make them unusable on the 3450, whereas other "specials"
:>merely change some of the defaults (i.e. spare sector allocation
:>strategy).
:>
:>--
:>	-Mike Wescott
:>	 mike.wescott@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
:

Nice to hear from you guys in Columbia!

I know for a fact that HP 660MB and 1.2GB drives work fine.  I do believe
that the Seagate drives are the only ones that NCR support will cover and
putting unsupported drives in the cabinet may void NCR support.

I also am pretty sure there is no special firmware issue with the Seagates.
I can check this and will post what I discover.
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From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: Current NCR systems
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


That's very interesting.  What OS do these midrange and high-end systems
run? Unix? And what kind of processors do they use? For instance,
that (up to) 4096 processor product, what kind of processors are those?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: wdh@holos0.uucp (Weaver Hickerson)
Subject: X.25 on NCR 3000 system??
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:40:23 GMT

I am trying to specify an NCR system that we can use to connect to another
system using X.25 LAPB.  The NCR 3000 must act as host.  THe
connection must be direct-connect or dialup.  I've worked for about three
weeks with a VAR trying to get information on NCR's offerings.  I've
contacted NCR's consultant relations, but have not gotten a response yet.

Can someone recommend an NCR contact who could help with this?  It appears
to be over the heads of the persons I have spoken with so far, as well as
mine.  I think the 3000 production is in Columbia, so that's probably where
all the gurus are.  

So far I (think I) know the following:

I need:

	MPCA/MC Board
	X.25 HOST PAD (??)
	Modem and cable  (Anything special here?)

Does the HOST PAD provide a programmer's interface for getting at the X.25
frames at the "user" program level, similar to the BSC driver interface
library?  I need to be able to get the frame and pick out the data.  No
actual terminal user sessions involved.  The 3000 need not even have a
terminal attached other than for console user purposes.  

Note that there is not an IBM system involved here at all.  Are the SNA
Svcs required for any reason whatsoever?

Thanks,

Weaver
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: olivier@rootgroup.com (Olivier Brousse)
Subject: troff (and syslogd)
Organization: The Root Group Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:40:27 GMT

Any one out there running troff 
and formatting to a laser printer?

While installing psroff3.0,
on both a 3447, 3550, 3600 and StarServer E,
I could find a troff (apparently ditroff type)
but no ditroff. 

NCR people, I am sure you must be typesetting
troff, right?

Thanks,
olivier@rootgroup.com

PS: Might be old news for some ...
The stock syslogd daemon has a serious bug when it writes
to a user. This bug seems to be pervasive to all SVR4
systems, it was also present on a Sun Solaris machine.
Bug description: syslogd forks off when writting to user
without waiting for the child, and zombie processes accumulate.
Can fill the process table and crash the system. It happened
on a 3550 with over 400 users ...
Fix: Get the excellent svr4 port of BSD syslogd by Marc Boucher 
Compiles fine  and does not have the bug.
Available at cam.org, systems/unix/svr4/svr4.0.3-syslogd_1.3.tar.Z




Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: bart@ahwau.ahold.nl (Bart Loeff)
Subject: What is In House DLC ?
Summary: Info on Inhouse DLC port wanted.
Keywords: ncr dlc datacom
Organization: Albert Heijn Winkelautomatisering, Zaandam the Netherlands
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:03:25 GMT

I wonder if anybody has any info on the In House DLC port of an NCR Tower
T32/400 and T32/450.
I know it is being used to connect POS-systems (like NCR2126) to the Tower.
Any idea how this thing works ? Is it some sort of synchronous (SDLC/HDLC) 
port ? Is it standard or proprietry NCR ? What kind of protocol is used on
this datalink ?

Has anyone ever connected a NCR2126 POS-system to a non-NCR backoffice computer
(like a PC) ? Are there IH-DLC cards for i.e. EISA on the market ? 

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Bart.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: jroberts@sanjuan (John Roberts)
Subject: Re: BUNCH companies
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:36:12 GMT

Oh, how quickly we forget ;-)

B: Burroughs
U: Univac (Sperry)
N: NCR
C: Control Data
H: Honeywell

I think!  No flames, please.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Current NCR systems
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:04:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


So, what systems does NCR make now?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: wescott@yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Mike.Wescott)
Subject: Re: What is In House DLC ?
Keywords: ncr dlc datacom
Organization: "NCR Corp, Columbia, SC"
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:07:40 GMT

In article <C1755r.G0q@ahwau.ahold.nl>, bart@ahwau.ahold.nl (Bart Loeff) writes:
|> I wonder if anybody has any info on the In House DLC port of an NCR Tower
|> T32/400 and T32/450.
|> I know it is being used to connect POS-systems (like NCR2126) to the Tower.
|> Any idea how this thing works ? Is it some sort of synchronous (SDLC/HDLC) 
|> port ? Is it standard or proprietry NCR ? What kind of protocol is used on
|> this datalink ?

In-House DLC s a direct-connect communications link with a proprietary
(i.e. non-standard, I don't think there are any secrets there) electrical
interface.  The link-level protocol is usually an Async Response Mode
HDLC interface.  I think is runs at 64Kbps.

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From: ahby@cronos.ui.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Strange problem with NNTP
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:48:50 GMT
Organization: UNIX International, Parsippany, NJ  07054

We have an NCR 3445 running SVR4.0 release 2.0.  I have compiled and
installed a number of PD applications on this machine, including
nntpd.  NNTPD is installed under inetd using the following
configuration file line:

nntp    stream  tcp     nowait  news    /usr/etc/nntpd          nntpd

Unfortunately, NNTPD seems to panic trap the 3445 when it is running.
While I have not been able to track this down specifically to an
individual NNTP protocol command being executed, it is definitely
related to nntpd.  As evidence I put forward that I turned nntpd off
for a couple of weeks and the system never crashed.  Within seconds of
turning it on again and using it, the system crashed.  Bringing the
system back up and trying again resulted in yet another crash.

Right now it is disabled, but I would really like to use it locally.
Has anyone else run into this problem?  Could anyone give me some
pointers?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: ken@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Ken MacGregor)
Subject: Re: SCSI disk upgrade for 3450
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:04:19 GMT

In <108@shady.UUCP> kevin@shady.UUCP (Kevin Smith) writes:

>Nice to hear from you guys in Columbia!
Seconded!

>I know for a fact that HP 660MB and 1.2GB drives work fine.  I do believe
>that the Seagate drives are the only ones that NCR support will cover and
>putting unsupported drives in the cabinet may void NCR support.

>I also am pretty sure there is no special firmware issue with the Seagates.
>I can check this and will post what I discover.
According to Seagate locally their 1.3GB drives are supplied with firmware
level 105.  NCR insist that they downgrade them to level 102 as this is the
only level approved by NCR.

In addition disks with level 102 firmware cannot be supplied direct to customers
but only NCR.  An interesting turn on Open Systems!

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From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: BUNCH companies
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:29:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


   Back in simpler times, there was an acronym for those fairly large
computer companies, which clustered (in size, though not neccessitarily
in quality!) after IBM and DEC.  They were called the BUNCH companies.
Does anyone know what each letter stood for?
Burroughs
Univac (Sperry)
NCR
C (maybe the C in NCR?)
Hewlett-Packard
Anyone know if this is right?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott)
Subject: reading the console with scancodes
Organization: Micro Focus Ltd., Newbury, UK
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:48 GMT


I've been wondering for some time now how to read scancodes from the console of
an NCR 3000 series machine (running SVR4).  In particular, what I want to do
is detect when, say, the Control or Alt keys are pressed.

Now, I've gleaned from the system manuals that some cunning combination of
<sys/kd.h> and ioctl() is going to be required - unfortunately, my attempts
to date have resulted mainly in dead consoles :-(  



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From: kevin@shady.UUCP (Kevin Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: SCSI disk upgrade for 3450
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:40:54 GMT
Organization: ShadeTree Software, Inc.

In article <C1Eyyw.ApA@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> ken@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Ken MacGregor) writes:
:>
:>We wish to upgrade the disk storage on our NCR 3450.  According to the
:>local distributor the ONLY disk >1Gb which is approved is the Seagate
:>model ST41601N and this requires a proprietary NCR firmware upgrade so
:>cannot be sold direct to us.
:>
:>All the other computers in the dept - Sun's, SG's Vaxen etc. permit
:>upgrade by user purchased SCSI disks for which we enjoy the eductaional
:>discount.  There is no educational discount from NCR is SA.
:>
:>Does anyone have any knowledge of other disks which can be used to
:>upgrade the 3450.
:>

I know for a fact that ST41600N's (1.2GB) work with no mods.  Drives, not
purchased from NCR, will require a mounting kit for the NCR's plug in
drive bays.  List price is $60--standard NCR part.
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From: ken@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Ken MacGregor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Software warrenty with other disks
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:47:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

Having amicably resolved the issue of putting other scsi disks into the
3450 I now have a question.  If I do so the hardware will still be supported
by the NCR dealer here, however what is the position regarding software
support.  Will NCR in the US refuse to look at any dumps as there is
now non approved disks in the computer.

This is a major concern to us as the uptime of the system is less than
desirable.  Currently it is measured in days, no failure since last
Friday, however before the last patches we were measuring uptime in hours.
The failures are system hangs which do not normally dump and are non
reproducable.  As the university is on holiday and there is no load on the
system until 16/2 we caanot afford to be without software support.

Ken
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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: Current NCR systems
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:14:39 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Its INTEL inside    486's and up !
From: joxlade@ncrgb.unitedkingdom.ncr.co.uk (John Oxlade)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
Subject: Re: NCS platforms
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: joxlade@ncrgb.london.ncr.uk (John Oxlade)
Organization: NCR UK Software Services, London

In article <2514@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
>
>What NCSxxx (sorry!) NCR platforms does this message area cover, and
>what NCR platforms are current? Is the Tower still being sold?

i]  Anything you like.
ii] No

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr
From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott)
Subject: reading scancodes (continued) 
Organization: Micro Focus Ltd., Newbury, UK
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:48:24 GMT


Sorry about that, my news poster just threw a wobbler..!

As I was saying, my attempts at reading scancodes from the NCR console have
all been unsuccsessful; what I was wondering was, has anybody out there 
attempted to do the same thing, and if so can you give me an idea of what
needs to be done?

Thanks,

Des.
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