HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Fasting and Working Out?
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:02:38 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>>I'm a vegan who works out with weights.  Is it possible to fast without
>>being at risk of losing muscle mass?  I usually eat a lot of calories
>>every day.

>The answer is a definite no.  Fasting brings with it an inevitable
>loss in lean body mass, and the only way to counteract that is
>by ingesting sufficient carbohydrate and protein, which wouldn't
>be a fast.  There is no point in even trying to fast if you don't
>need to lose weight, and even that is a poor way to go about it.

Are you familiar with fasting?  The whole point of fasting (with fruits
and fruit juices, for a few days) is to clean out the body of toxins,
not to lose weight.  I'm still wondering if losing weight is a
by-product of this.

Anyone else?
From: U11983@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Enzymes: what is the source?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:56:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92232.165648U11983
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Ready-made yogurt lists 'enzymes.' How is this obtained?
Also, is 'kosher-gelatin' like regular gelatin from cowhide,
only differently made?

Thank you for any insights.

Shyamala
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Rec.food.veg's health warning.
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:24:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug23.042453.20232
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <altar.714525700@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>Michael Traub writes:
>>>In  an  attempt  to  keep  flaming  down  regarding  such individuals their
>>>postings  would  simply  be  ignored  except for a small followup directing
>>>gentle readers to the health warning.
>
>Steve Dyer rudely replies:
>>Well, if you stopped posting all together the problem would be
>>solved rather neatly
>
>Well, I initially had my doubts and reservations about Michael Traub's
>suggestion to help obviate flaming, but after reading your rude and
>inapproate response I am beginning to now think that Michael Traub's
>suggestion has some real merit and should be seriously considered.
>It is regretable that such a "prophylaxis" would be required, but
>I guess the sincere and inquiring reader deserves better than this
>kind of pointless posting of rude and mean-spirited remarks that you
>have here lapsed into making.

Duh.  It was sarcasm, responding to the obvious-to-most fact that
Traub is in no position to be calling anyone else rude.  He's one
of the rudest, especially when some of his beliefs are called into
question.  Now, I don't happen to see that as a "problem" which needs
a solution, but Traub does.  I offered a "modest proposal" as a solution.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Wool Machines
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:46:26 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug19.104352.16535@rockyd.rockefeller.edu>, jcbbalt@rocky8.rockefeller.edu (JCB Editor) writes:
> In article <CINDY.92Aug9191039@meshugge.media.mit.edu> cindy@meshugge.media.mit.edu (Cindy Blank-Edelman) writes:
>>Anyone have advice on what other kind of clothing to wear which *is*
>>cruelty-free and which provides the warmth of wool?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>--Cindy Blank-Edelman
> 
> I have a terrible feeling that I am about to show myself as not too
> bright...
> I have always assumed that wool could be obtained in a non-cruel 
> manner.
> Could someone enlighten me, please.
> E-mail if this is not relevant to the newsgroup.
> carson

	Well,  living in New Zealand one can't help but get to know a bit 
about sheep farming.  The actual process of shearing them is not cruel at all,
no worse than a short trip to vet.  The process takes less than a minute,  and 
the sheep are held in fairly comfortable positions that aren't 'forced' upon
them.  Shearers know that if a sheep is truely unconfortable,  it'll struggle
and just make things awkward.

	In summer,  shearing sheep can even be regarded as an act of kindness!
	However,  the shearing is just a part of the meat-producing cycle. No
sheep is raised solely for it's wool and allowed to die of old age.  So there's
the rub: the shearing's fine,  but it's an indirect way of supporting the
industry as a whole...

	Jonathan Dodd

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Rec.food.veg's health warning.
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:32:28 GMT

In article <altar.714409323@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>What I have seen repeated posted are petty quibbles,
>rude remarks and outright insults by SOME of our 
>omnivorous kibitzers.  Are vegetarians therefore
>required to genuflect and tug forelock to such remarks?
>Are we never entitled to make a sharp reply to someone who
>would post a destructive assertion?   Vegetarians are people
>too, who also are due some respect and civility, especially
>on their own conference.

Apparently  some  people  seem to think that even though this conference is
supposedly  for  vegetarians  it  is  really  a  vehicle for meat eaters to
exchange  the  occasional  vegetarian  recipe. Even some of the vegetarians
in this newsgroup feel this way.

To  appease  these  members  of  the  newsgroup  perhaps  we should start a
rec.food.veg  health  warning  posting.  This  posting  should  be sent out
regularly  (perhaps  weekly  even).  The  posting  would  simply state that
certain    posters   to   this   newsgroup   do   *not*   reflect   current
vegetarian/vegan   opinion   and  that  their  articles  are  often  simply
designed  to  inflame  the  vegetarian and vegan members of this newsgroup.
In  an  attempt  to  keep  flaming  down  regarding  such individuals their
postings  would  simply  be  ignored  except for a small followup directing
gentle readers to the health warning.


-- 
Michael Traub
From: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re:  Yves Burger Burgers
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Academic Computing Center - U.Va.

In article <1992Aug13.155703.29594@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
cpr4k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christian P. Roberts) writes:
|> 
|> Several folks have raved about Yves Burger Burgers, and I 
|> recall a posting that gave the company that makes them, its 
|> address, and telephone number ... 

    As a follow-up:  I had one response that said the earlier
posted number  1-800-667-yves  gave a recorded message that
the call could not be completed as dialed.  Does anyone have the
correct number?

--

Chris Roberts                     Academic Computing Center
cpr4k@virginia.edu                University of Virginia           
(804) 982-4693                    Charlottesville, Virginia 22903
From: quint@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Quint)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:16:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Veg restaurants in Seattle?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

>Does anyone know of any vegetarian restaurants in Seattle, WA?

I was just there a couple of weeks ago and went to a great place called
Cafe Flora.  I don't remember the address, but we all loved the food.
-Chris

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Rich & Michael
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:42:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.135130.4378@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>1)  I *HAVE* contributed recipies althought they were Lacto ones, I 
>    believe that many people on this newsgroup find that acceptable.
>    I also post to give cooking advice.

Which century was this in? Care to provide references?

>2)  I Don't ridicule vegetarians.  What you call ridicule is my 
>    disagrement with you when you are wrong.

I see, so your saying:

->This has been discussed ad nauseum over and over and over.  Read the
->newsgroup more often.  This "statistic" no longer carries any validity
->here.  I won't waste any more time or bandwidth dealing with English
->majors who think they know science.  

is  not  ridicule, and your saying to me via email that I am "just too much
of an asshole to tell" was your way of showing kindness?

>> A parasite is an absolutely **perfect** word to represent your type.
>> I am not being unkind, just accurate.
>
>What type is that Michael.  Have you seen my posts on the medical 
>newsgroups lately?  How about on rec.food.cooking.  How about on
>rec.scuba?  I participate in many discussions on many newsgroups 
>and provide info on many subjects.  My recent post might be of interest
>to you.  I'm trying to get parts and supplies for a medical instrument
>that I intend to refurbish and donate to a Central American hospital
>(at my own cost where I can't get help donated) and I'd take help even 
>from you if I could get it.  Yeah, I guess that I am a parasite. 

I was referring to your parasitic nature in *this* newsgroup.

>>>I could care less about your petty squables.
>> 
>> Sure, that's why you've started several yourself.
>
>Yeah, when.

You are joking aren't you?

>> Why lie? It's pretty obvious that you are not interested in vegetarianism.
>> You have been sucking recipes off this newsgroup for over two years but
>> you are still an eater of animal corpses.
>
>More name calling, Michael?

Sorry where am I calling you names? Do you deny eating animals?

>You make up these things to try to discredit anyone who disagrees
>with you.  *ESPECIALLY* when you are wrong and can't back up a
>claim.  Very intelectually dishonest, IMO.  You simply make up
>things to say about people you don't even know.

Give me an example TED.

>Try and keep your
>biggoted and paranoid delusions out of this newsgroup.

Pathetic attempt at name calling ignored.

>That is my last word on the matter.

How convenient for you.

-- 
Michael Traub
From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: VEGAN:  Blueberry Muffins
Keywords: Mmmm MMm GOOD!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:56:46 GMT

These are undeniably, the best muffins I have ever eaten!  I've made
them the past two nights, and I can't get enough!

From:  The Laurel's Kitchen Bread Book

Ingredients:
1 cup blueberries

1 cup pastry whole wheat flour
1 3/4 tsp. baking powder
1/2 tsp. salt
1/2 tsp. cinnamon
1/2 cup wheat germ

3 Tbsp. margerine or oil
1/4 cup sucanat (or brown sugar)

1 "egg" (use egg replacer)
3/4 cup soymilk

Preheat oven to 375 degrees.  Grease a 12-cup muffin tin.  (If your
muffin tin makes LARGE muffins, like mine does, just double the
recipe, and cook a few minutes longer than the recipe calls for).

Wash and drain the berries, and set aside.

Sift together the flour, baking powder, salt, and cinnamon.  Add the
wheat germ.  Cream the butter and sugar, and beat in the egg replacer.
Add the milk and dry ingredients, stirring just enough to mix
somewhat, and then fold in the blueberries.  Spoon into muffin cups -
fill them nearly full - and bake for 15 to 20 minutes or until a
toothpick inserted in the center of one muffin comes out clean.

Tara
-- 
Tara McDermott            "We suggest people take their Food Pyramids,
                            cut off the top and make a Healthy Eating
tara@socrates.umd.edu         Trapezoid."  -Neal Barnard, M.D.
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Fanatacism (was Re: Rich & Michael)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:37:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <altar.714066221@sfu.ca>, altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
> [...]
> 
> I think Aldous Huxley was correct when he said of fanaticism:
>  
>      "Defined in psychological terms, a fanatic is a man who
>      consciously over-compensates a secret doubt"
>           (from Vulgarity in Literature, chp. 4)
>      
> Well, the over-zealous declaration of Faith and the belligerent [...]
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                          

Hey, hey, hey -- leave me out of this!  I've never been overzealous in
my life and my only fanatacisms are about Science Fiction and Chocolate!

:-)


Faith

p.s. is Dark Chocolate vegan?


-- 
Faith M. Senie            InterNet: fms@vos.stratus.com
Stratus Computer, Inc.    InterNet: fms@hoop.sw.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Blvd.       Pkt Radio: n1jit@ka1srd.ma.usa.na
Marlboro, MA 01752           Phone: (508)460-2632

"I'm afraid I don't know very much about Romulan Disruptor settings" --Spock
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:43:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.184353.1917
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug22.103147.3162@btcs.bt.co.uk> traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>We don't want to hear this crap in rec.food.veg!

Ah, the royal "we".  Tough.  You don't get to presume for others.

>This is rec.food.veg. It is a newsgroup for people interested in
>the vegetarian lifestyle.

Oh, the monolithic vegetarian "lifestyle"?

>Many new vegetarians feel that it may
>be a good idea to clean their colon as part of the change to
>that lifestyle.

References?  (sarcasm alert)

>No one has asked for a debunking of colon-cleansing.

So what?  I provided one anyway.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: adwright@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Hamburger disease kills girl
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:07:02 GMT

I guess this supports the notion that we are not meant to be carnivores. Dogs
for example would probably be able to eat this meat with no ill effects.
From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:57:28 GMT

In <1992Aug20.171651.23638@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes,
	in response to one of Michael Traub's articles:

>I did in a later article.  This is a remedy for a diease which
>doesn't exist.  There's no such thing as "impacted feces".

Actually, there is a medical condition (whose name I forget, but which I 
distinctly recall reading about in the last couple of months) in which
small "pockets" can form in the lining of the colon, trapping partially
digested foods.  I don't recall offhand exactly how these pockets form,
but if they persist for long enough they can trap enough foreign matter
to lead to some pretty unpleasant bacterial infections.  In severe cases,
they may abcess and bleed into the colon.

I believe the usual treatment is minor surgery to either untangle or tie
off and remove the pockets.  I don't recall ever hearing anything one 
way or the other about the effect of diet on this condition, or whether
anyone has suggested a dietary or drug-based treatment program.

Does anyone recall the name of this condition?  I'd like to hit the
books and see if I can't dig up the current thinking on its cause and
treatment.

By the way, this may or may not have been what M. Traub was talking 
about in his original article.  I wouldn't know, since I didn't read 
it.

>>You seem to be yet another meat-eating interloper like Rich Young
>>who has decided to "save the world" by cleansing vegetarians/vegans
>>of their "uninformed" ideas.

>Oh, my, not that.  Well, Traub, unlike you, I don't resort to
>name calling when I am confronted with facts I do not want to hear.

Welcome to the ranks of the "Rich-lovers", Steve.  (I believe that's
what Michael called me the last time I presumed to disagree with him
on the role of tolerance in rec.food.veg :-)  Gee, and I'm not even
a meat-eater :-)
From: rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:48:41 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug20.075744.23177@btcs.bt.co.uk>, traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.121304.5672@bcrka451.bnr.ca> poirier@bnr.ca (Daniel Poirier) writes:
>>Unfortunately, on the third week of the program, you have to start taking
>>yet another of their products: pancreatin.
> 
> The colon-cleansing program I went on did not use this. Your whole
> body would have to be in a bad way to need pancreatin. This seems
> like some kind of weird addition to the original program developed
> by Robert Gray.
> 
> Just stick with the acidophilus. As long as you have gone through
> the first phase with the psyllium husks to actually cleanse the
> colon you should be alright.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Traub


I think somebody's making this stuff up. What are your medical/peer reviewed
references?


Rick Hoffman.
From: js
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Wanted Recipe for powdered falafel mix
Followup-To: rec.food.recipes
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:43:55 -0500
Organization: UIUC
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: js@uiuc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.crhc.uiuc.edu
Summary: Wanted Recipe for powdered falafel mix
Keywords: falafel "nature's burger" recipe


I'm looking for a powdered falafel or nature's burger mix recipe. 
Just so there is no confusion. What I want is to make the powdered mix
myself. 

I've tried producing this on my own by grinding up the ingredients found
in the mixes one can get at the store but have had little success in
producing anything of the same caliber. 

Thanks. E-mail replies to js@uiuc.edu

JS


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox)
Subject: Re: Rainforests and McDonalds
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:18:28 GMT


I'd be interested in any firm evidence that McD was
ever involved in tropical deforestation.  I wrote a piece
about them once, and I must say I've never come across
such an aggressive, intimidatory company, nor one which seems
to be so litigious.  Any hard evidence much appreciated.
-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Peter Cox
uad1214@dircon.co.uk
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:38:37 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fasting and Working Out?


Hey,

I'm a vegan who works out with weights.  Is it possible to fast without
being at risk of losing muscle mass?  I usually eat a lot of calories
every day.

Dave


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Gene associated with heart disease
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:43:40 GMT

From SCIENCE NEWS: Vol. 142, No. 6, August 8, 1992 (quoted without
permission):

	   "Geneticists have discovered a gene they say could account for 
	roughly half of all cases of the blood vessel-clogging disorder
	atherosclerosis, the major cause of heart attacks.
	    Patsy M. Nishina and Jurgen K. Naggert of the Jackson Laboratory
	in Bar Harbor [Maine] report that a gene called atherosclerosis
	susceptibility, or ATHS, causes a set of characteristics that 
	trebles an individual's risk of myocardial infarction.  These
	characteristics include upper-body obesity, low concentrations
	of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) in the blood, high blood
	concentrations of fatty compounds, and a preponderance of the
	small, dense form of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) in the blood.
	Together they are called an atherogenic lipoprotein profile.  An
	estimated 30 percent of the U.S. population has this profile.
	    Nishina and Naggert -- together with researchers at the
	Children's Hospital Oakland [California] Research Institute and
	Lawrence Berkely [California] Laboratory -- studied the incidence
	of the atherogenic lipoprotein profile among 72 members of 11
	different families.  By analyzing the pattern of how the profile
	passed down from generation to generation in these families, they
	determined it is caused by a single, dominant gene.
	    The researchers reported in the January 15 PROCEEDINGS OF THE
	NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES that this inheritance pattern
	suggests that the ATHS gene lies on chromosome 19, near the gene
	for the LDL receptor.  Body cells use this receptor to remove
	LDL cholesterol from the blood.
	    Beverly J. Paigen, the Jackson Laboratory scientist who
	directs Nishina and Naggert's research, says a genetic phenomenon
	called 'incomplete penetrance' could account for the fact that
	myocardial infarctions strike mostly men and post-menopausal
	women.  Sex hormones and diet probably also influence the effects
	of the gene, she adds."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rich Young                             | Phone: (716) 253-7176
Eastman Kodak Company                  | FAX: (716) 253-7254
Clinical Products Division             | Internet: young@serum.kodak.com
100 Carlson Road                       |
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: lavlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Los Alamos VLBA site)
Subject: Re: more on fruitarianism
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:21:08 GMT

SENDER: gdunn@vlbacc.AOC.NRAO.EDU (Gene Dunn)

I have a friend who mentioned to me in passing that she was becoming a 
fruitarian.  Now I have heard that this is dangerous because the diet
does *not* meet all of one's nutritional requirements.  Claiming that if it is
okay for chimps then it is okay for humans is naive.  Chimps are *not*
fruitarians!  They are omnivorous because they also eat insects.  Most of
us in the USA have seen the pictures of chimps using a stick to get 
termites out of their nests to devour.  Chimps do not wash their food
before eating and anyone who has been camping knows that dinning in the
wild provides abundant opportunities to add little critters to your meal.

Can anyone out there give me *factual* information about the nutrition of a
diet based solely on fruit?  I am new to vegetarianism and my knowledge base
is very limited, but my understanding is that most all of our protein comes
from the mix of vegetables we eat, not the fruit.  Am I wrong on this?

I am concerned for my friend's health if she is serious about this so any 
factual information will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks! 

-Gene  

Disclaimer: The above opinions are my own and not those of NRAO or AU, Inc.
================================================================================
Gene Dunn - N7CDJ
National Radio Astronomy Observatory VLBA Site at Los Alamos, New Mexico
E-Mail: gdunn@vlbacc.AOC.NRAO.EDU  
================================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Holier Than Thow (was: Rich & Michael)
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:34:26 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Time and again people say they're pesco-vegetarians or some such
(which is admittedly a funny way of looking at it) and get jammed
on in this group.  If you can't remember this, perhaps you haven't
been reading very long.  People are quick to condemn, overlooking 
the fact that many of us are indeed working towards common goals 
sometimes each in our own ways.

Regarding MacDougal's motivations, yes, I'm paraphrasing from 
memory, but it is in print in one of his more recent books.
I could dig it out if it were crucial.

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
    "Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even
    one which cannot be justified on any other grounds."
		    -- J. Finnegan, USC.