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Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:25:41 +0000

In article <1993Jan8.203959.4544@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:

> (Thomas B Carlin) writes:
> >"this is not
> >gravy - gravy is brown, this is a rue".  
> 
> p.s. And the differences between American-food-names and British-food-
> names is even more amazing!

Gravy, as far as my father was concerned, and me too,
accompanies roast meat.  It's made as follows:

1.  When the meat is done, put it on a dish, put the
    roasting pan on a hot ring and scrape it to free
    all the delicious burnt bits.

2.  Put some flour in the roasting dish and mix it into
    the fat, cooking it till it has turned grainy and
    dark brown.  Make sure the flour is all cooked or
    the gravy will be lumpy.

3.  Pour into the roasting dish water from the pans of
    boiling vegetables (not potatoes - cabbagey things
    and carrots are best).

4.  Boil and stir till it turns smooth and lump-free.

5.  Add some mace and some red wine.

6.  If fussy people are eating, strain it.

There now.  Some people add a stock cube.  They're cheating. 
But my recipe only works if enough fat comes out of the
meat.  If it doesn't, add some dripping.  If you haven't
got any dripping, use margarine.  You'll need a stock cube
in that case.

Gravy is thick and brown.  There's also something called
thin gravy, but I don't know anything about that.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:36:19 GMT

A bear code with shaved balls. I can hear George gacking from here.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:41:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton) *BLASPHEMES* :

>Darts aren't better than pool because 1) you don't have to bend over
>to throw a dart.

He's a witch, he is!  BOIL 'im in oil!  Cut out his heart
and stomp into into da dirt!  'Ats whot needs ta be done
wi' 'im, 'at is!

Bending over is THA' WHOLE POINT of going to one of them
thare cruisy bars in the first place, is it not, lad? Your
damn right it is, you are.  Don't be givin me none of
your fancy high falluttin MIT crap either, or I might be
havin' to re-evaluate my revaluation of that institution's
standing as a pillar of the Intellectual Community, I 
just might...  

*X*
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tori Amos
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:36:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1993Jan9.041825.22697@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>
>Since I post just about everything here, I will post these
>questions about a recording artist who has captured my heart,
>Tori Amos.
>
>Does anybody know anything about her?  Is she British or American**?
>Where does she reside?  Is she straight, gay, or otherwise?

She's American, currently living in London.  Born in South Carolina (or
is that North?), her family moved to Potomac, MD when she was young and
she grew up in this area.  She started studying at the Peabody Conservatory
at a rather young age and got kicked out at a young age (I believe because
she insisted on playing music from memory instead of following sheet
music).  She's never come out as being lesbian or bi, though she made
an oblique reference to "liking girls" in an interview on MTV.  This was
in response to her stunning cover of the Stone's "Angie", which can
only be described as a passionate lesbian love song when she sings it.

To bring in a bit more motss reference, Ms. Amos used to perform in
a number of gay bars in the DC area when she was a teenager.  Her father,
a minister, would arrange jobs for her with the owners.  It's things like
this that make me wish I were a bit older...

Jeff

-- 
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|                  |  Biologically, their upper bodies are strong enough to  |
|jeffy@syrinx.um   |  wield a pickaxe."                                      |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:19:06 GMT


In article <1993Jan3.062520.3441@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan2.212719.23359@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|> [in answer to my question "how does one loiter in a bar without
|> feeling self conscious about it?"]

|> It works great in coffee shops, although I've never tried to meet a
|> sexual interest this way. [bonus question - why aren't there ever
|> coffee shops where the intent is for you to meet other queer people?]
|> The ones I know that tried have all failed. Is booze necessary?
|   __
|> nelson@reed.edu \/                              Stand up for your love rights

ANSWER TO BONUS QUESTION:

There's a place on South Beach (Miami) called 'Gertrudes' that is wonderful.
It's on Lincoln near Colins Ave. Try it out, it's great!

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:18:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.101842.4133
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <18289@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.115702.459@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>> 
>> Manhating is certainly present in
>> film, and it doesn't hit raw nerves. I think Sharon Stone in "Basic
>> Instinct" was, well, appreciated. 
>
>Does anybody remember a movie called "Deadlier Than the Male"? It was
>a movie about female secret agents, done in the Matt Helm style. Sixties
>schlock. I remember it only for one particular reason: there was
>a scene where the women captured a hunk, tied him down to a table, and
>tortured him by holding lighted cigarettes against his chest. I found
>it very arousing (I think I was 9 or 10 at the time I saw it).

Not to mention the Raquel Welch dildo rape scene in the terribly
underrated Gore Vidal screen disaster whose name eludes me.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:45:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.160430.22701@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com  
(Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
> Those people certainly crossed my mind... now another question: What
> is the questionaire like overseas?  In Paris, for example where AIDS
> is the leading cause of death among young people? 

> If the questionaire doesn't contain such language
> overseas, then one must conclude that it is only for legal protection
> and they only care about protecting the blood supply to a financial

Well, France is a good example of a messed up system.  A few months ago  
several gov't officials and MD's were hauled in front of a tribunal  
because they knowingly allowed HIV infected blood products to be  
released into the national blood supply, resulting in a number of AIDS  
cases.  They had financial incentives to keep the supplies at certain  
levels, and money talked to them before morals did.  Given such  
irresponsibility, it seems to me France's AIDS problems go way beyond  
questions on donation screening quesitonnaires, and it's an example of  
how financial considerations work both ways.  I vote "yes" for  
protecting the blood supply to the maximum amount possible.

The healthcare system in India, such as it is, cannot be compared to  
that in Western nations.  I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that they  
don't bother with questionnaires, they're just trying to keep afloat.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: zw{i,a}cky matters
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:35:56 GMT

In article <C0G27z.90u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth'.
>
>John Kenneth?  Then surely you meen "Galbraith", and the reversal would
>be a "thiarblag".

I'm amazed at the things I learn on the net.  Most of all that "th"
spelled backwards is "th."

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:37:29 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Steve Dyer writes:
>>Listen, Arne might not be _your_ cup of tea, but you are really losing
>>your grip on reality (not to mention your power to persuade anyone) if
>>you insist on describing Arne as being "indiscriminately, unrelentingly
>>nasty."
>
>Hm. I did overstate myself a bit, there.  My point is that I find
>him *consistently* nasty. Perhaps not every posting, but *far* too
>many for my taste.

	These last two sentences contradict each other.  I think you
mean "*frequently*" not "*consistently*", and even then I'm not so
sure I'd agree with you.  At the very least I'd have a hard time taking
you seriously given your penchant to substitute different verbs from
the line the posting software puts into followup that reads:

	user@place.place.palce (Name Name NAme) writes:

	IT boggles the mind to think why you would waste your
time with people who you don't hold as having any importance, and who
have no bearing on your life.  I can see going after people who
*do* have consequence on events, such as a politician, or someone
who could have an effect on your lifestyle, even to the level of
someone like Cr*m*r and his misuse of the net...  But Arne?
You've already admitted you've never MET him!  And, you live in the same
metroplex.  I can't take someone seriously who could spend a lot of time
tearing apart someone's character when they haven't availed themselves of
possibilities to look that person in the face when doing so...

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:44:04 GMT

In article <726661541snx@drummond.demon.co.uk>
john@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:

>Gravy, as far as my father was concerned, and me too,
>accompanies roast meat.  It's made as follows:

>[...]

Now *that* is gravy.  Everything else is not gravy (says
he, getting off the train with a nod to Gary Byma).

<> Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
<> For those who don't know Latin: Breath mints, Toto, send to
<> the nose of Kansas no dog food from Odessa.  "Nose of" is the
<> Latin equivalent of our expression "armpit of"; the Romans
<> didn't think highly of that part of the face.
<> -- Rob Bernardo (rob@mtdiablo.concord.cs.us)
-- 
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[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:26:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan12.012618.23532
Organization: insert anything here

coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> ObNonMotss - no lights in my bedroom tonight, because the way the
>> moonlight is illuminating my teddybear is just too cute. Why is
>> moonlight brighter when it's cold out?

>Another possible explanation (besides the water vapor) is that, other
>things being equal, clearer nighttime weather is apt to be colder.
>Cloud cover, and probably suspended water vapor, reduces radiational
>cooling (the earth radiating away the heat it absorbed from the sun
>during the day); it cools off more at night when the sky is clear. So
>it's really more true that "it's cold out when the moonlight is
>brighter".

	You've just explained the greenhouse effect.  :-)

	It's all linked --- what it boils down to is, there's
nothin' for the radiation (IR or visible) to bump into - at
least not as efficiently as if there were water there.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:40:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. 
Thomas) writes:

>What a maroon. The only reason that LA moved theirs is
>so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
>and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
>that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
>as he might think it ought to.

So?  Are you saying that the people who run and attend the parade shouldn't
have the right to decide the date?  The date change has been debated for
decades, and it has been defeated regularly. 


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1iffv8INNggi@rave.larc.nasa.gov> <C0GH8G.3x5@panix.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:44:29 GMT

mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes that The City...

   ... is Constantinopolis...

It's Istanbul, not Constantinople.  :-)

--
Tim Wilson
tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:41:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.184101.14062
Organization: insert anything here

In article <76194@apple.apple.COM> brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) writes:
>I was walking through the Castro last weekend, and walked past a Muni
>bus stopped at a red light (at Market street).  Several young (read:
>juvenile) black kids were hanging their heads out of the back window
>of the bus and screaming "faggot", "queer" and other hateful diatribe
>at passers-by, myself included.  They were making quite a scene, and I
>simply tried to ignore them as I turned the corner, though I must admit
>I was more than a bit incensed that we had to put up with this shit in our
>own neighborhood.

>Although I did nothing to retaliate, a friend that I later retold this story to
>suggested that maybe I should have yelled back "nigger", in an attempt to
>remind them of the hatefulness present in directed slurs like that.  Of course,
>this would probably have had to been followed by the quickest quarter-mile
>sprint that I've ever managed (in pumps, anyway)...


	Bigotry doesn't stop bigotry.

>I was really uncomfortable with this idea, as I really am not one to
>eagerly perpetuate hate or hateful messages.  But, at the same time, I was
>pretty pissed that these young kids, who would ostensibly have had some
>personal experience about what it's like to be oppressed, would so eagerly
>and vehemently attack another class of people with such glee.  It boggles
>my mind...

>So, my question is, what would *you* have done in this situatation?

	An ex-BF of mine when confronted with this situtation
(someone called him a cocksucker) walked right up to the guy
(who was with his friends) and said "Yes, I am... and I'm
damned proud of it, and damned good at it...  What's your point?"

	And walked away --- it shut them up.

BBC
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 23:22:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1i6201INNo03@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan3.152358.7218@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1i7tsdINN65@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan4.025343.5786@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson writes:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes: 
>>Absolutely.  My roommate's most recent boytoy moved in a
>>couple of weeks ago, and the bathroom is now filled with 
>>styling mousse, hairspray, skin bronzer (although since he's
>>Mexican, and hence naturally dark-skinned, I wonder why), 
>>clay masques, two different shampoos and a collection of 
>>conditioners and moisturizers for his hair, all sorts of
>>skin moisturizers and who knows what else.
>
>You give the impression (perhaps only to my ear, which would
>then say something more about me) that you don't entirely
>approve of this invasion of emollients into your bath.

This is my impression as well.  Amazingly, I agree with
Arne, if this interpretation is correct.

>Maybe this violates your sense of the simple, but it's my 
>impression most gay men have very well furnished baths, with
>most of that stuff.  Besides, quite a lot of these products
>are rather fun.

Not to mention useless and expensive.

In any case, I have one shampoo, one conditioner, one soap,
one toothpaste, &c... The only things I have that are anything
approaching "cosmetics" are my tube of moustache wax, and my
spray-bottle of Na-PCA solution. [I sunburn easily, and this
stuff does wonders to keep me from cracking and peeling if I
get too much sun....]

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:06:24 GMT

jld1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Dr J.L. Dawson) writes:

>Can anyone send me a copy of the article referred to (RHAYDEN.92Dec26173107),
>as it has disappeared into the great archive in the sky, and I need to read it
>again in full to reply. Thanks.

I glanced over this, then moved on to the next article while letting
this one sink into my brain. it settled funny, though, leaving me
with the impression that I'd read something abuot the Great Foreskin
in the Sky...

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      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:56:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I come down firmly and squarely in the middle on the
name calling does/doesn't equla bashing.

The run of the mill stuff--kids yelling out of cars,
yelling across the street, frat boys chanting out of
their porch, stuff like that I don't consider bashing.

A couple of months ago, Rachel and I were spending that
time waiting for the green light kissing. Suddenly, a
big truck  a little behind us in the next lane honked, and
unrolled a window.  The two guys in it started yelling at
us, and threw a bottle at the car (which missed... intentially?)
When the light changed, they tried to get up next to us, and
swerved rather dangerously around a couple of other cars to
try and do it.  We acted like we were going to go on the free
they followed; at the last minute we got off the exit, leaving
them commited to going on the freeway.

The entire time their huge truck was following my little
Toyota, they were yelling at us, and again threw something at
my car.  They were also driving very dangerously.

I was not hurt at all, but honey, I felt *bashed*.  Scarier than
the last time I did get hit in some ways...

Sandy 
-- 
 * Sandy *   "I'll believe Avon treated men and women equally the day I see
       	     him kiss a man, tell him he's beautiful when he's angry, kill
     	     him and then gloat over it."    Sue Clerc <sclerc@andy.bgsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hessel@soc.umn.edu (Denise Hesselton)
Subject: Thanks (re: religion and homosexuality)
Organization: Department of Sociology, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:03:06 GMT

Just wanted to thank all the wonderful folks who took the time to answer my 
post about religion and homosexuality.  The number of sincere and poignant 
responses was much more than I'd hoped for.  So, THANKS!

I will pass these on to my friend, and I hope that she will be able to find 
comfort and insight through them.  

Also, I'd like to say that I'm glad I was referred to soc.motss; alt.
politics.homosexuality just doesn't measure up anymore.  I'm sure you'll be 
hearing from me again!
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>:There is no place where gays won't be harassed (unless they are closetted
>:and in a community that thinks they do not exist).

>4.5 years. Two catcalls.

>							FJ!!

'Ooh! Girlfriend!' doesn't count.

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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1993Jan2.043535.26102@spdcc.com> <C0850F.8zp@stonewall.demon.co.uk>
	<1993Jan05.043438.19057@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:17:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

   ) dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
   ) >The actors who played the soldier and his girlfriend were in a bizarre
   ) >British film a few years ago which involved cannibalism at a fancy restaurant
   ) >a la Sweeney Todd; "Eat the Rich", if my memory serves me.

The Irish soldier was in last year's Hear My Song -- he was the main
character, in fact.  Quite a different role...

I hear Miranda Richardson played the Queen in Black Adder...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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