From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Liberals, Conservatives and PC
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:18:21 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu writes:
>Don't get me wrong -- I am a true liberal who believes ideas should be heard.
Believe it or not, I am a moderate-conservative who believes all ideas
should be heard as well. It isn't just a "liberal thang" you know.

>I feel that liberals are often misuderstood by conservatives -- consider
>G. Bush who has spent plenty of time harping about PC. Remember in 88 when
>he was attacking Dukakis for being a "card-carrying member of the ACLU"?
>Gee, this is the same ACLU that has _consistantly_ stood up for freedom of
>speech every since their inception. The ACLU is currently involved in
>defending
>Nazis against "hate-speech" laws. Yes that is the ACLU that has the *guts*
>that conservatives lack -- to stand up to their own constituency and defend
>peoples rights -- no matter how scummy those people are.
>How many conservatives have that kind of tolerance and conviction?

The main reason Bush criticized the ACLU was not because of freedom of
speech cases but because of criminal cases in which those cases won by
ACLU advocates hampered the way police can enforce the laws of this
country, particularly in regards to drugs and homicides. I do respect
the ACLU for standing up for people who otherwise cannot get any
support. (That is my understanding of it anyway.) I respect probably as
much as I do the American Bar Association. Which is not much.

As for "hate speech," saying that all liberals have been goody-goody and
would stand up for their own consituency and defend people's rights,
that's all well and good. Why don't we all recant all the references to
describing Republicans as Nazis then? Forswear never to use that
description since it incorporates an element of hatred which is not
indicative of all Republicans. No liberal on this net has apologized for
using that analogy during the course of the campaign, and I don't expect
to see anyone begin. I have tried not to use names against
Clinton-followers or Bush-followers or Perot supporters; the only names
I use I try to use on myself or people who may share similar thoughts
with me. If I have used any names and people were offended, I am sorry
for that was not my intent. But for crying out loud, the scum is all
around us. Period.

As for having tolerance, I am a part of the International Association at
Duke University (Secretary since Spring 1990). I have been exposed to
the cultures and religious ideals of Arabs, Jews, South Americans,
Europeans, Africans, Asians, and Americans. I have organized events in
which the views of different cultures and their religions (minimally
since we are an apolitical areligious organization) differed with my
own. This year, I have made myself perfectly clear that I will allow any
Native American organization on campus or outside to organize a Cultural
Night should there be any objections about our Cultural Night on Spain.
I have even organized back-to-back Nights in which I had Jewish culture
spotlighted followed by Arabic culture (Morocco) ... during the height
of the shooting during the Persian Gulf Conflict. Yes, conservatives and
moderates are very tolerant people too; you just have to look beyond the
stereotypes and media images to find us.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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