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From: moeller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario)
Subject: Re: SRA IS ON THE AIR!
Keywords: Radio fun games  but maybe not for the whole family! : -)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:02:46 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>Isn't this commercial advertising, I thought this sort of 
>thing is not allowed on the net !
>--
>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Qld, 
>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia

But it's student radio.....that's not very commercial, is it??

Or is it?

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: chris@coombs.anu.edu.au (Chris @ SSDA)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Distribution: aus
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:27:27 GMT

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone has a particular bad experience with
>car insurance companies ?  My insurance brokers want me to change
>to Suncrop which is charging me a premium of $388.60, with 
>stamp duty and broker fee it is $418.  It seems a bit expensive to
>me and I have heard of cheaper alternatives but I am weary of 
>bad insurance companies.
>--
>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Qld, 
>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia

My own personal preference is to stick with NRMA (they do cost a little more
but I have found that the service I have recieved to be well worth the extra
money.)  
I have also had bad experience's with AAMI, in getting money out of them
(very slow) and yes I laugh at their tv ads.
Also GIO are currently giving me a bad trot - 4-5 yrs for accident compensation
is a little ridiculus I think, ( and I'm still waiting...)
Although hopefully now they are a public company they pick up their act.

	In fact the amount of time and money spent by insurance companies in
delay tactics is possibly (in my belief) a large contributer to the amount of 
insurance we actually pay.

Sorry about the drift of the subject - however I currently feel rather 
fustrated by GIO (as I was by AAMI) and a good gripe always helps...

Cheers

Chris.


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From: t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (IronEagle )
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: SRA IS ON THE AIR!
Keywords: Radio fun games  but maybe not for the whole family! : -)
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:32:00 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

moeller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario) writes:

>anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>>Isn't this commercial advertising, I thought this sort of 
>>thing is not allowed on the net !
>>--
>>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Qld, 
>>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia

>But it's student radio.....that's not very commercial, is it??

>Or is it?

Well Mario, we are not commercial, we are not even, due to ABT
rulings, allowed to 'advertise' over the air...

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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: sim@cs.monash.edu.au (Sim Lim Or)
Subject: Where can I buy a sheet of sorbothane?
Summary: Who sells a sheet of sorbothane?
Keywords: sorbothane
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:11:33 GMT

Does anyone know where I can buy a sheet of sorbothane(or something equiv)?
The size that I need is about 1 sq ft (roughly).

I've looked into yellow/white pages, asked around but got no where.

Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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L. O. Sim 
Dept. of Computer Science     Internet: sim@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
Monash University, Clayton
Vic. 3168 Australia
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: SRA IS ON THE AIR!
Keywords: Radio fun games  but maybe not for the whole family! :-)
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:59:26 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

In <1992Aug17.133103.4648@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> t923335@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (IronEagle ) writes:

:Well Anthony, as far as I can see, we are not selling anything, nor
:asking for money, I was just stating that we are on the air.. nothing
:more..... I dont see a problem with it personally, and we are a
:COMMUNITY station, we are NOT allowed commercial advertisements....

Sorry, I thought the station was commerical.  May be if you had a description
of what kind of station it was then I would not have question your
ad.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Qld, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 00:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Distribution: aus
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

Plug for GIO.

I recently 'ouched ' my wife's Vitara ($5k) ,but everthing looked 
worse than it was.This was an NO fault claim as the car aquaplaned into
a metal pole.

GIO deducted the $30o evcess from my wallet,told me to go to whom ever I
trusted(as if I had a clue who to trust)  
.e
The repair was done within the two day specified period.Our only complaint
was the tyre was out of round (they fixed that ).
The drama came when they reduced my no claim to 40%.I wrote to the
underwriters and complained about the no fault clause and my driving record.
Low and behold they re-instated my 60% no claim,without any fuss at all.

Rasberries for NRMA.

Whatch what they quote on insurance if ringing their 13** no in Sydney.
Get the phone jerks name,and ask for the quuoted price to be mailed to you
before you take out the insurance.The difference between the quoted phone 
price on Friday was $157.97 as it was in their Parramatta office on Saturday.
No recourse as the phone conversations are not binding.
As a memeber of this organisation I was VERY displeased.
GIO won my business.

Good luck
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.052948.17397@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:
>>>>His question was very reasonable, but you unfortunately have missed a vital
>>>>point. If _you_ stack someone elses car, their claim is against your
>>>>insurance company, and on your just-get-it-on-the-road-I-don't-care-how-it-
>>>>looks policy. Why should they have to put up with a bodgey repair job just
>>>>because you wanted to gamble and pay a cheaper premium?.
>>
>>>In exactly the same way that he is forced to gamble that I have any
>>>insurance at all. i.e., he should comprehensively insure his
>>>and force his insurance company to repair (to his satisfaction)
>>>while recouping the money as best they can. 
>>>I did not miss any point, I believe, vital or otherwise.
>>
>>My point was, and remains, why the hell should I have to put up with
>>what I regard as unsatisfactory repairs because YOU choose to pay less
>>premium? Even if my car is insured TPPD only, you or your insurance
>>company should make sufficient reparations that I am not put out by
>>your accident. Why should I be forced into "recouping the money as
>>best...[I]...can"?
>>
>>What you appear to want here is to force others into your low expectations
>>of repair to make things cheaper for yourself. Forcing others to sue you
>>or your insurers for redress seems a pretty lax moral position.
> 
> OK let's turn it around. Why should I pay large insurance premiums
> just because you or others want to drive expensive cars and want 
> extremely expensive repair jobs? (either or both). 
> Furthermore, let's not change the subject to morals - *I* am prepared to
> pay reasonable repairs for accidents that were *MY* fault.
> Following your logic, every person should have mega dollar
> liability insurance from birth - just in case they.......

You people haven't thought this through.  If my car is damaged (whether my 
fault or not), I claim on *my* insurance company.  If it is not my fault, then 
my insurance company will recover the costs from the other person's insurance 
company or from the other person if they are not insured (if they can!).

Therefore, if I pay for a certain standard of repair on my car, I get it 
repaired to that standard, irrespective of the other person's cover.

The other person's insurance company never comes into it unless you choose not 
to involve your own insurance company but to claim off the other person.  You 
are really better to claim off your own company and let them do all the 
paperwork.
-- 
David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397	Fax: +61 49 216910
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:18:13 GMT

> I have heard a lot of complaints about AAMI here, precisely *because*
> they *dictate* the repairer to you. RACQ will give you a list of
> *recommended* repairers, but you can still choose your own.
> 
> AAMI repairers are AAMI repairers because they agree to use secondhand
> parts, which they buy from the AAMI wrecking yards. Being good repairers
> has nothing to do with it. Some people I know have had very shonky jobs
> done.
> 
> One colleague of mine had a hail damage claim on his car. AAMI would
> only pay for the paint job to be repaired on the top half of the car,
> although it was a type of paint where you can't match the paint. The car
> now looks *awful*.

There are two aspects to accident repairs.  One is the extent of work the 
insurance company authorises.  If you feel this is inadequate, argue with the 
insurance company.

The other aspect is the quality of the work performed.  This is something that 
you can complain about to the various regulating authorities.  In NSW, contact 
the Motor Vehicle Repair Industry Authority (MVRIC unless Nick renamed it), 
who act as arbitrators in disputes over car repairs.  IF agreement cannot be 
reached between you and the repairer, they will make a binding determination 
which is enforceable in court.  Lodging a complaint costs nothing.  There is a 
standard form, or you can write a letter explaining in detail what was done 
and how it was inadequate.  They will arrange a meeting with you and the 
repairer to discuss the matter.

While repairers curse the MVRIC as being biased towards the customer, it does
not always agree with the complaint.  You must have reasonable expectations of 
the repair, which might be less easy to define for panelbeating than 
mechanical repairs ("It doesn't work!" therefore it is a bad repair).

Nevertheless, as a three time MVRIC veteran I can recommend using the MVRIC is 
you have a valid complaint.  You can also ring them up to discuss repairs to 
determine whether you have a valid complaint, which is a great time saver.
-- 
David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397	Fax: +61 49 216910
From: gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Gareth Davies)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:54:48 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Aug28.003212.1012@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> suter@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:

[...oodles gone here...]

>Every time I have had the misfortune to seek out a repair the inevitabvble
>question was - is this an insurance job? The fact being that if it is
>they know you don't care too much about the end cost and that you may also
>want to rort the claim by including unrelated reapairs. Unfortunately,
>the main mentality is that this type of fraud is ok becuase the
>insurance comanies are also crooks. Such slack moral reasoning
>ignores the fact that the extra cost is simply returned through
>higher premiums. Moreover, I also onece had the misfortune of

[...oodles gone here...]

Not really. The problem is that there is two assessors sent to each quotation,
"panel beater's" assessor and then the "insurance company's" assessor comes
out to check out the "panel beater's" assessment.

The "insurance company's" assessor will knock back on average 50% off all
of the claims. Therefore for the "panel beater's" to satisfy the customer
they basically need to double the quote.

It's a shonky game of manipulation. Sort of like real-estate...

Gareth.

p.s. I noticed a panel beaters place in Queens Pde, Fitzroy VIC which said -
	"Sorry, no AAMI quotes!"

	Speaks for itself really...

-- 

gareth@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au
From: bpja@codex.oz.au (Brett Adam)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Address and phone of NeXT in Australia?
Keywords: next
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:15:57 GMT
Reply-To: bpja@codex.oz.au
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd

In article <oyang.714292079@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> oyang@cs.monash.edu.au (Kai  
Shing O'Yang) writes:
> leigh@DIALix.oz.au (Leigh Smith) writes:
> 
> >I've heard a reasonably unsubstantiated rumour that NeXT have a
> >distributor in Australia. Does anyone have a name and phone number
> >of them? Please email the info, and any relevant comments to:
> >leigh@psychok.DIALix.oz.au.
> 
> Call Canon Australia in Sydney. They say they are going to do some promotion
> next month.
> 


To give you some confidence in this, Canon are DEFINATELY the only distributor  
currently gearing up in Oz. Call the systems division on (02) 805 0168

Also, if you're interested in NeXT generally, we could put you on the OzNeXT  
User Group mailing list, runs as an alias from here at Codex.

Regards,
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NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
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From: suter@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:32:12 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Monash University

In article <miw.714957520@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:
>brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>
>>So what's the problem with AAMI?
>
>This highlights the problem with choosing insurers. Everybody sees a
>different side of their insurer -it's like the 6 blind men and the
>elephant.
>
>I have heard a lot of complaints about AAMI here, precisely *because*
>they *dictate* the repairer to you. RACQ will give you a list of
>*recommended* repairers, but you can still choose your own.
>
>AAMI repairers are AAMI repairers because they agree to use secondhand
>parts, which they buy from the AAMI wrecking yards. Being good repairers
>has nothing to do with it. Some people I know have had very shonky jobs
>done.
>
>One colleague of mine had a hail damage claim on his car. AAMI would
>only pay for the paint job to be repaired on the top half of the car,
>although it was a type of paint where you can't match the paint. The car
>now looks *awful*.
>
>As with everything, your milage may vary.
>
>cheers,
>
>
>--
>Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.edu.au
>+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
>+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
>Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.  -- Seneca

The Investigators did a special on this recently. However, the show
seemed more motivated by the complaints of the other crash repairers
who were losing business. I have some sympathy with the AAMI aproach
as crash repairers are more corrupt than the Columbian drug cartels.
Every time I have had the misfortune to seek out a repair the inevitabvble
question was - is this an insurance job? The fact being that if it is
they know you don't care too much about the end cost and that you may also
want to rort the claim by including unrelated reapairs. Unfortunately,
the main mentality is that this type of fraud is ok becuase the
insurance comanies are also crooks. Such slack moral reasoning
ignores the fact that the extra cost is simply returned through
higher premiums. Moreover, I also onece had the misfortune of
having to pay for damage I cuased to someone else. Its no fun
when you find out that the owner had doubled the true repair cost
by asking the repairer to include other things (the repairer
even admitted it to me over the phone) and that the insurance comany
doesn't really care becuase they think they'll get it from you anyway.
Whether this means that AAMI is good to insure with is another question
of course....but I at least aplaud their attempts to contain costs.
The whole thing reminds me a bit of the phrase ``I wouldn't want to
join a club that would have me as a member''. The insurance comapanies
I wish everyone else belonged to is not the one I want to belong to!
d.s.
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: Group Treasury, State Bank of NSW
Distribution: aus
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:40:33 GMT

miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

>Indeed. When I saw the quotation for the damage on my car, I knew I was looking
>at the public face of organised crime. The AAMI approach is not wrong. However,
>there are other problems with AAMI unrelated to the basic approach.


I agree. In fact, when I was looking around to insure my $28000 car,
NRMA quoted $1700 pa premium, and AAMI quoted $5100 pa. Go figure.


regards...                                                 
Chris Keane.                    State Bank NSW             ph. +61 2 259 4459
Unix Systems Administrator     (Group Treasury)      chris@rufus.state.COM.AU
Famous Gravitational Joke: It must have been density that brought us together
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: rlee@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ralph Lee)
Subject: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:09:58 GMT

The gravis ultrasound is coming out soon.  If you want to get one off me
(a dealer soon!!), write back and tell me your intentions.  The price
will be around $240.


rlee@tartarus.uwa.edu.au


Newsgroups: aus.general
From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 05:44:23 GMT

miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

>Well, stay clear of FAI. 

I could not stress Mark's point too strongly.  Avoid FAI at all costs.
Both myself and my brother have been insured with them and both had
similar problems.

In my case, a "gentleman" drove into the back of my car when traffic
stopped.  It turned out that we were both covered by FAI.  I sent in a
claim and then continued to argue with them for the next 5 and a half
months before they started work on my car.  They *told* me which repairer
to use and then after my car had been back to the repairer 3 times due
the crap work done on it, I received a letter informing me that they
didn't wish to offer me a continuation of the policy.  When questioned
about the reasoning behind the letter, they had nothing to say other
than that they had every right to refuse insurance at the end of a
policy period.

Throughout the entire business they stated that as I was making a claim
against another FAI policy holder, I was no longer "their client".  The 
guy that hit me was their client because he was on the receiving end of 
a claim.  If I wished to have my car fixed quickly I would have to make
a claim on my policy, fork over the excess and lose my no claims bonus.
Their answer when asked how I would regain this money was that after the
claim was lodged I would have to take the other party to court.  As a
result of this I argued with them and the other party fgor over 5
months before work was started.  I can assure you that a Celica that is
an inch an a half shorter on one side than the other is not fun to drive
for any period of time.

If that's the way car insurance works why would you bother.

On the other side of the coin I have heard that RACQ are a little
expensive but have great service.


bambi
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From: taso@munnari.OZ.AU (Taso Hatzi)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Unix-like OS's for 386 etc
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:12:03 +1000
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I'm interested in feedback from people who are using Unix on Intel [34]86.
There are several to pick from - in the US at least - and the prices
vary considerably. I'm interested in a bug-free version with all the
networking stuff, no optional this or that (I'll tolerate optional
development), and something that can be installed in less than 1 hour
by a novice following the book.
From: gnb@duke.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Advice on car insurance companies ?
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:02:36 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia

Well, I'm not sure about car insurance, but I spent yesterday on the
phone arranging house and contents insurance.  Our broker has arranged
a different underwriter (due to rising costs) and sent us a quote for
$560.  I rang around a few other places and got quotes ranging from
$620 to $720, except GIO, who quoted $360.

It pays to shop around.  Easiest $200 I ever made.

Greg.
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That's *Mister* Chief Pointyhead to you.