HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: enasby@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian whalers have the right to live !
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:51:22 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

<930024.045603.achristo@nutri1>, achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen) writes:
> 

> (Hehehe)
> 
> PS. It I'm not wrong, there are Americans too that is whale
> hunting. Why aren't we banning all type of American export too?
> What about radioactivity in American vegetables, cereals and
> animals after all the nuke tests?? For how long time can the
> american Government hinder the people to know exactly how much
> radioactivity they have let the people eat? I would guess it is
> in several magnitudes greater than food in endangered areas in
> Scandinavia has had after the Tchernobyl accident. Come on
> americans, remember to ask for a declaration of radioactivity and
> dangerous chemicals next time you goes to the shop and buys some
> food! It is there. It will be for the next 1000 million years
> because of the Nevada tests in the 60ies.

Thanks for offering everyone your blistering wit, buddy.  I'll leave the 
grammatical mistakes out of my critique but you really should know 
that when referring to the same subject we usually use the same 
conjugation of the verb.  This really must have been sarcastic, 
I imagine you even intended it to be funny... otherwise the radiation 
from Tchernobyl was a lot more powerful and is acting a lot faster 
than anyone had dreamed.  Still, this kind of thing is all too popular 
over there and believe it or not a lot of Americans (maybe even most) 
couldn't give a fuck whether or not Norway harvests a couple of 
thousand whales a year.  In fact I wager that most people don't even 
know about Norway's decision, let's face it there are more important 
events going on in the world today.  The tactics were questionable the 
lack of tact was deplorable but no one is going to get too riled up 
about the whales for too long.  Let us (in a collective sense) put 
this baby to rest and stop talking about it, it will be forgotten 
quickly enough.

XXOOXXXOOO
From: berryman-harry@cs.yale.edu (Harry Berryman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Beaches
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:46:34 -0500
Organization: /homes/na/berryman/.organization
	<1993Jan22.084637.15148@daimi.aau.dk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: yogi.na.cs.yale.edu
In-reply-to: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk's message of Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:46:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.084637.15148@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:

   What do you mean by "sparsely populated"? Denmark is 5 times as populated
   as the US.


Hmmm. there are 250 million people in the US, so there must be 
well over a billion people in Denmark! And it's such a small country......

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm sure you wanted to type "5 times as 
densely populated", but your fingers wouldn't let you.)

scott berryman (not bergman)
Yale University CS Department
and
NASA Langely Research Center
From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: RE: NORWEGIAN WHALERS HAV
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 29 94 41
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)


FR> need meat/fish. I DON't think it's ok. to kill because it's a way of
FR> for the butchers (from what I understand whale hunting is very exhil


But what do you think we do with the whales? Hang them as trophies
on the wall? Wrong. We eat them.

Kjetil

>XBoard 1.0 #173> Internet: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kimcm@login.dkuug.dk (Kim Chr. Madsen)
Subject: Re: NORDEN > SCANDINAVIA
Organization: DKnet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:58:03 GMT

kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:


>TF>   But there really are striking similarities between Japanese and
>TF> Swedish, in lots of little things.

>Did you know that Portugese, Irish-Gaelic and the Norwegian spoken
>in western Norway share the word "Ke" (spelled differently though),
>all places meaning "What".

Que ???? 

>Isn't *that* interresting?

I suppose it's a celtic word, and the Norwegians learned it from some
of their raids on Ireland, and the Danes didn't like the word as much
as their Norwegian brethen and didn't adopt the word (or it could just
have gone out of fashion in Denmark, except as the "k{e" (dansk udtale
af det franske "Que")) -- The roman languages could well have learned
it from the celts (perhaps as early as ~102BC when they asked the
celts where they were headed, whether they would try to take Rome or
just wander about, 'round the alps :-)


					Kim Chr. Madsen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: user@computer.uio.no (PC Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Snakk Norsk !!!!
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: UiO
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:24:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.232043.2528@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>,
c_snet@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> Hallo, er det noen der ute som vil skrvie noe paa norsk til en stakkars liten
> gutt i Texas ?? Svaert trengende KNUT


Jeg har ingenting imot aa skrive paa norsk til deg. I vaares var jeg paa
studieopphold i Moskva, og jeg var for det meste eneste nordmann paa
skolen.
Jeg husker at jeg savnet aa hoere morsmaalet, og boeker paa norsk.
I tillegg var det lite norske aviser aa oppdrive (leste iblant
_Aftenposten_ 
paa ambassaden, og jeg fikk et par-tre ggr _Agderposten_ og _Dagbla'_ fra 
mine foreldre i Arendal).

Saa jeg (og sikkert flere med meg) har sikkert ingenting imot aa poste litt
paa norsk iblant. Men det hadde vaert fint om du kunne foreslaa noen
temaer...

Hilsen,

PC


-----------
PC Joergensen
Hovedfagsstudent
Institutt for Oesteuropeiske og Orientalske studier
Universitetet i Oslo
Norge 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi (Tapani Hietaniemi)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:03:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.140131.8430@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> : In article <1993Jan21.182522.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi 
(Tapani Hietaniemi) writes:
> : 
> : ..<some lines deleted>..
> : 
> :    Right, there is no logical necessity to hold forever the existing
> :    treaties! But in Finland's case, it's prudent politics. In this
> :    respect I think that peace, freedom and prosperity are more important
> :    values than justice. Returning Karelia to Finland might be just, but
> :    it is not accepted by the Russian government. And IF it was accepted,
> :    the majority population in Karelia, Russians, would pose us some problems 
> :    (And the creation of infrastructure and things like that). It would be
> :    a mess.
> 
> Like Palestine.


God forbid that the Isthmus of Karelia and the Gulf of Finland will not
be like the Middle East! Russia might be like a Lebanon in the very near
future but we should not contribute to it!

 
> Besides here is a super-power the one which holds the areas. With the
> same argument we should demand the palestinians not fooling around
> and take an example of the karelians.


A great part when not the most of "The Karelians" are in Finland and they are 
Finnish citizens. The Palestinians have illegitimely lost their whole state. 
Karelia is no example for Palestine. In Palestine, putting the UN resolutions
in practice (the creation of two states) would be enough. There are
no such resolutions on the Karelian case, just the Paris peace treaty
of 1947.

with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:23:54 GMT

Jorma M{ntyl{ (tijoma@uta.fi) wrote:
: In article <hberg.308@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
: 
: I regret that foreign readers of soc.culture.nordic may think that writers
: like Mr. Ryyti or Mr. HVaisanen represent something in Finland.  They just
: represent a rather small but noisy minority.

Where I have written that Finland had to move borders in the east? C,mon.
If I write about a situation it does not mean I am demanding new borders!
The Economist wrote about the Karelians recently. Is it demanding new
borders? You make wrong conclusions. Check my post better and please
do not put into my mouth what I have not written. 

: 
: PS.  Thanks to Mr. Sedergren of sending detailed information about who started
: the war in 1941, and how it was done.
: 
It was very informative but still my Encyclopedia writes, 26.6.41 SU
bombed 15 places in Finland. Finnish governement announced that Finland
is again in a war against SU. Source:Tietoj{tti, Gummerus.
Jari Sedergren is certainly correct, on the both sides were preparation
for the war done. The russians lost their nerves first and attacked over
the border.

Mr. Sedergren described the preparations for the war and indeed quite
in detail on Finnish side. Not on a Russian side. We have no records of it.
Just 15 places/towns were bombed in Finland, not in Russia.
That is the difference.
Regards,
jarmo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Finnish inferiority complex? (Was: Karelians...)
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:17:27 GMT

Bob Hammarberg (hberg@polisci.umn.edu) wrote:
: 
: Translation:
: 
: BTW Jari and other Finns, whence this sense of inferiority that radiates 
: from almost every posting?  Ryyti, of course, is an exception, a brainless 
: amoeba can't feel inderior, but in my opinion it's incomprehensible how 
: people can regard themselves as that much inferior  to Swedes + other 
: Nordics + an occasional Yank.


I am VERY PROUD of being in a news-group which is so full of intelligent
and smart persons! An veeery happy about that! 

And I am VERY PROUD of an achievent, I have got some
life in this boring swedish-norwegian-danish discussion group...

..."what is the reciepe of a kanelbulle,is falukorv good for the health,
 how is the wheather today in Gronkoping..." and things like that...

It is veeeery, veeeery, veeeery boooooooooooooooooooooooring.

   
A possible inferior complex for some finns perhaps is due to
a need to be on thier stomach to every direction, if not any more to Moscow
so at least to Bryssels or Stockholm direction.
May be its backgroud is in hard history, a poor childhood,not travelling
anywhere from home...

People should stay more on their "own feet" like a proverb says.
jr
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Mickey mouse and Donald Duck
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:14:08 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <d1hej.727608617@dtek.chalmers.se> d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson) writes:
>v106lr4h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric T Sasse) writes:
>
>>  Now a Winnie the Pooh fest I could handle. :)
>
>You mean 'Nalle Puh' (in swedish) , our all time favourite
>philosopher? :)

  After Arne Anka, of course.

>-Henrik Jonsson

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: bernt.budde@udac.uu.se (Bernt Budde)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Finnish inferiority complex? (Was: Karelians...)
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:56:58 GMT
Organization: UDAC (Uppsala Univ. Comp. Centre)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: macbug.udac.uu.se

In article <hberg.310@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob
Hammarberg) wrote:
> 
>           A couple of months ago I 
> posted an article here about some encounters I had had with Finns who either 
> fawned over Finlandssvenskar as being 'fint folk' or else got belligerent 
> because they felt looked down upon by Finlandssvenskar.
> 
> Ther's more to it than this, though.  I suspect that are a lot of 
> Finlandssvenskar who feel inferior to 'real' Rikssvenskar, too.  So are we 
> dealing with  a legacy of Finland's "colonial past"? 

Considering the number of people moving between Finland and Sweden in all
times, inferiority feelings are stupid... feeling them are reason to feel
inferior? :-)

(These facts are second hand from a friend in the SCA. Mistakes are mine.)
Already a good bit before 1000AD, lots of people probably went back and
forth between Finland and Sweden. Important trade routes went by sea to
Russia past Finland. Linguists has found Swedish influences in oold place
names in western Finland.

I'm probably 10-15 % Finn (or more) myself and (I think, no numbers. I've
never cared too look) quite a large number of Swedes, especially in the
north part of Sweden, are part Finn. (If any fair-haired Finn calls me
"Hurri", (sp?) I'll just tell him he's probably more Swedish than me -- my
father was Danish. I might be more "original" Finn than him! Besides, I've
considered converting and become a Jew. Jewish atheists seems to have so
much more *fun* than we Xian atheists!:-) 

One of my excuses for my sense of humor is an anecdote about a guy that
lived in my old student corridor, Jukka. When accused that there is always
SOME reality behind "the-just-a-joke-nothing-serious-attitude", he looked
horrified and said "I hope not, considering that I tell jokes about both
Swedes and Finns..." A fun guy that Finn, but he made me feel inferior by
studying triple the normal number of subjects...

I lent my copies of "Truly tasteless jokes I - IV" to Jukka when he and his
girl friend started going out. Her parents are Polish Jews... But she had
already heard 'em all.

Sorry for wasting bandwidth in a more-or-less-serious meeting with bad
humor.

Bernt 'Bug' Budde, UDAC
Bernt.Budde@udac.uu.se
From: tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Is Estonia "Nordic"?
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:59:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

In article <1993Jan18.171412.20517@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:
>In article <1993Jan17.110042.20175@cs.chalmers.se>, tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet) writes:
>
>|> Not a good idea. First, there are no nuclear powerplants in Estonia
>|> and Latvia (there is one (called Ignalina) in Lithuania), except
>|> two shut-down nuclear submarine powerplants in the former USSR center
>|> for training submarine crews in Paldiski. Estonia wants these two
>|> out as fast and safe as possible.
>Isn't there two civilian reactors close to Narva. The russian crew threated 
>close them down last year. I think the name of the plant means something like
>Pine Grove. 

No, you are mistaken. The 'civilian reactors' you mention are ordinary
power plants burning up oil shale. 

>|> 
>|> Currently Estonia is exporting electricity, as she has large conventional
>|> powerplants using Estonian oil shale. These plants need improvements for
>|> making them environmentally cleaner.  
>To have a surplus of electricity it a comfortable way of boosting your own
>industry trouble with GATT. I would rather replace oil shale with nuces than
>the other way around; it's environmentally cleaner. I take any excuse to popose 
I am also in favor of nuclear plants. However, building
nuclear plants in Estonia NOW or VERY SOON probably is not economically
advantageous. Maybe after ten or twenty years.

Regards,
	Tanel Tammet
From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: TRIED SOUR CREAM PORRIDGE
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 29 94 41
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)

<> So, what's the recipe ?

For four persons:

0.5 litres of Sour Cream (with at least 30-35% fat)
120 g wheat flour
0.5 litres of milk (high fat content)
half a teaspoon salt

Boil sour cream under cover for three minutes. Ad half the flour,
stir energetically. Boil 5-10 minutes until the butter comes out.
Take the butter out with a spoon, keep it warm. Ad the rest of the
flour, stir well. Ad milk until you think it's thick/thin enough
(usually *quite* thick). Salt to taste. served very hot, with the
butter that came out, suger and ground cinnamon. It is the only
norwegian dish that you don't drink alcohol with. Instead, serve
juice of black currant (preferably) or red currant, watered out.


<> It is a dish traditionally served during the midsummer celebration (?

Yes. Also in old times used in all life's great moments: Marriage,
burial, christening and especially when wisitting a mother and her
new-born baby.

<> -Anybody out there know the Swedish term ?  What do people in Sweden
<> along with it ?  (Other than surstroemming !!)

Do not know. In Norway we call it r>mmegr>t (for > substitute the
norwegian "o with slash"). It may be seved alone. If not, the
next dish is normally a cold buffet with smoked, cured ham and leg
of mutton. To this is served thin wafer crispbread, butter,
scrambled eggs and sour cream. Lots of beer and aquavit should now
be served!

Kjetil

>XBoard 1.0 #173> Internet: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no
From: SHIMOKOSHI@nvdv.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de (K. SHIMOKOSHI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Need Info on Iceland
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:47:33 GMT
Organization: University of Stuttgart, IND (Germany)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nvdv01.ind.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.de
Keywords: iceland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hello travel lovers,

first of all I would like to say thank you who offered me useful advices on
sightseeing of midnight-sun in Nordkap, Norway, that I requested the information
last summer.

Now I need an information on Iceland.  This summer I am going to travel there
with my wife.  and we want to see there Gullfoss (a great waterfall), Hekla
(a volcano), Geysir (a natural fountain), Vatnajoekull (a great gracier),
Myvatn (a mysterious lake), Godafoss (another great waterfall), and so on.

How long should we stay in Iceland to sightsee the above them, and How can
we reach them from Reykjavik.  Are there any sightseeing busses or another
transportation ways.

Any kind of suggestions and information on Iceland are splendid for us.
Thank you in advance.


P.S.:  My wife and I are not back-packer.
       Please send your information by e-mail, because I don't read this
       newsgroup frequently.


+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Kiyoshi SHIMOKOSHI                                      |
| Univ. of Stuttgart,                                     |
| Institute of Communications Switching and Data Technics |
| F.R.Germany                                             |
| E-mail: shimokoshi@nvdv.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de  |
+---------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: JANIEMI@FINABO.ABO.FI (Jarmo Niemi TUY)
Subject: Re: Mickey mouse and Donald Duck
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:04:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1jjlcbINN3me@colwick.csv.warwick.ac.uk> marat@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:

> Hi!
Hi. Donald Duck in Finnish:
> I'm doing a serious (!!!) linguistic research.
> If there is a traslation in your own language of Walt Disney's comics,
> I would like to know the names of the following characters:
> 1) Donald Duck
Aku Ankka
> 2) Uncle Scrooge (Donald's rich uncle)
Roope Ankka (Roope-seta")
> 3) Hewey,Dewey, Louie (Donald's nephews)
Tupu, Hupu ja Lupu
> 4) Daisy Duck (Donald's girlfriend)
Iines Ankka
> 5) GrandMa Duck (Ducks' grandmother)
Mummo Ankka
> 6) Gladstone (that very lucky duck)
Hannu Hanhi
> 7) Beagle Boys (those brothers who try always to steal Uncle Scrooge's
> money)
Karhukopla
> 8) Magica de Spell (the witch who try to steal Uncle Scrooge's first coin)
Milla Magia
> 9) the rich opposer of Uncle Scrooge
Kulta-Into Pii
> 10) Gyro Gearloose (the scientist)
Pelle Peloton
> 11) Mickey Mouse
Mikki Hiiri
> 12) Goofy (Mickey's friend)
Hessu Hopo
> 13) Chief O'Hara (Mickey's policeman friend)
Poliisipa"a"llikko" Sisu
> 14) Big Bad Pete (the criminal, Mickey's opposer)
Musta Pekka
> 15) The extraterrestrial (very thin, with his small pockets containing
> everything)
Eka Vekara
> I would ask you to mail to me, not to the newsgroup, since I don't
> read usually this newsgroup.
I also post it in soc.culture.nordic for general (?) interest
> IMPORTANT: it is not necessary to know the name of ALL characters.
> Also partial contributions are welcome.
> 
> Maurizio Brunetti
> 
> 
Jarmo Niemi   Biochemistry, University of Turku
              SF-20500 Turku, Finland
              ++358-21-6335758
	      FAX ++358-21-633 6388
              janiemi@finabo.abo.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: joheko@jyu.fi (Jonne Henrikki Kolima)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:17:22 GMT

In article <sedergre.29@valt.Helsinki.FI> sedergre@valt.Helsinki.FI (JARI SEDERGREN (COMM)) writes:


>Now, this looks clear to me. BH is talking about Petsamo and Jarmo's somewhat
>strange historical outlook on that, and what we get: JR starts an
>outburst about Winter War and Continuity War, and his opinions about 
>latter are now even more curious. Is there anyone else in this planet to 
>claim that Soviet Union attacked Finland 1941? Certainly not any historians? 

	
	Well, actually the SU did declare war to Finland before we had a 
	chance to declare war to them.  The Soviets even bombed some
	of our cities before any Finnish military activity (you really
	can't take in consideration the fact that we had half a million
	soldiers posted along the eastern border ;) ).  








P.S.  	BTW Jari ja muut suomalaiset, mist{ ihmeest{ johtuu t{m{ alemmuudentun-
	ne, joka paistaa melkein jokaisesta artikkelista l{pi?  Ryyti nyt on
	poikkeus, eih{n aivoton ameeba voi tuntea alemmuutta, mutta mieles-
	t{ni on k{sitt{m{t|nt{ miten ihmiset voivat tuntea itsens{ ruotsa-
	laisia + muita pohjoismaalaisia + satunnaisia jenkkej{ noi paljon
	huonommiksi. Hymy{ silm{kulmaan ja p{{ pystyyn ja   in p{in pois.













-- 
                 -jhk- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic