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From: Carl_@nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai, the helper of Mao
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.150619.20260@cunews.carleton.ca> wma@ella.carleton.ca  
(Weidian Ma) writes:
> 
> 
> Zhou En-lai was the main supporter of Mao Zedong.
> 
> If Mao was good, so was Zhou. 

Unfortunately, Mao was the greatest evil in Chinese history. So, what Zhou did  
was called "Wei4 Hu3 Zuo4 Chang1". 

Some people may like Zhou. But not me. I think that he already knew what Mao  
did was wrong. But in order to keep his "Wu1 Sha1 Mao4" (position), he kept  
licking Mao until he died. He had a lot of choices to leave Mao such as  
pretending to be serious ill, which, many high-rank officials used to evade  
their emperors in ancient Chinese history. 

Compare to Zhou, Deng Xiaoping at least stood up and thus got prosecuted. Deng  
could have done the same thing as Zhou did in early 1970s to keep his "Wu1 Sha1  
Mao4". However, Deng didn't. His personality is certainly different from  
Zhou's. That's why he got sacked again in mid 1970s. 

Carl
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Saturday, 21 Nov 1992 13:07:51 EST
From: <KMING@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: X Window Research and Expertise in China

Yes. I really know some infomation about it. If you want them, please contact
me personally.
Mike
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From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:05:47 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Nov18.020802.4880@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.124011.797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>>
>>	Let me ask you a question. Imagine someone in your family, maybe
>>your father or mother, goes into business in China. After some initial
>>success this relative finds himself in competition with some government
>>official, and is winning the competition. The government official, in 
>>fear of going out of business, arrests your relative and puts him in
>>jail for 10 years on some trumped up charges. For example, your relative
>>is accused of being a "counterrevolutionary". 
>>
>>	Now, in this situation, would you support CMFN? Or rather, wouldn't
>>you support *anything* that might help eliminate such injustices?
>>
>>
>>	(Yes, I'm an American, and yes, America has injustices, too. That's
>>not the point.)
>>
>I think the story above is to the extreme.  By taking away MFN,
>only the normal Chinese citizens would get hurt.  Is that what the
>Americans want?  This wouldn't make CG improve the human rights,
>and it would certainly hurt innoncent people.
>Besides, US also need to develop economic relationship with China.
>If not, not only innocent Chinese would get hurt, you, innocent
>American would get hurt also, by the down-trend of the economy.
>
>

In a follow up article, I tried to make it clear that there is a big
difference between supporting CMFN and taking away MFN. I do not want
to take away MFN, nor do most people who support CMFN, I believe. I want
China's economy and its relationship with the US to grow. However, I
think that the US should push for some human rights concessions in
return for the favored nation status.

Mark
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 21:57:27 CST
From: Zhong Hau <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages

  How about videos : The Story at The Editorial Board
                   : Ke3 Wan4  (Yearning )
                   : Wei2 Chen2  (Besieged city)

In article <92321.115025PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
> According to the World Daily, Li Renhuang, the politburo member of CCP, was
> disappointed of all video/audio/movies products in the market (so were all
> ordinary people). He called these products as garbages.
>
> Question: What else could chinese writers/directors produce other than
>gabages
> in that environment.
>
> I remember many years ago that ``The First Blood'' was critisized as being
>too
> violent. Then ``Mississippi Burnning'' was accused of praising FBI agents (in
> chinese leader's mind there is not even one good guy in the USA). ``Judou''
> was considered as showing foreigners chinese people's ass .....
>
> People are not allowed write this, write that... So they could only provide
> garbages.
>
> Peter
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Tibet move toward opening to foreign tourists
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:52:05 GMT

I thought China's reason for restricting Tibetan tourism beacuse of poor
travel facilities was not the whole reason,
but that China was trying to prevent foreign stimulation of ethic unrest
and hide repressive measures taken against that unrest.

Anyways, reopening tourism will help the Tibetan economy and liberalize the
treatment of Tibetan minorities.  It should help the economy and image of
China, and be an interesting travel opportunity for foreigners-
in other words good for everybody all around.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Foreign Teachers in China
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:38:16 GMT

We had several foreign teachers in our university
when I was there.  I like them very much.  One guy was
from Australia, Crist Irving if I remember correctly.
He was in charge of our graduate student English class.
His lecture was excellent, and many of us tried to attend
his class twice (same material, two sessions).
He had a library with all past issues
of such magazines from Times to Redbook, (little short to playboy :)
He also organized an English hours (?), and a weekly seminar.
His schedule is much more tightly packed than 
those of Chinese faculty in their department.
He got paid more, of course.
Everybody likes him.  He left a few years later.
I think he has an MS in fizix or something.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.132257.20627@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.095310.17907@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
>
>.........
>
>>>       (Yes, I'm an American, and yes, America has injustices, too. That's
>>>not the point.)
>>
>>I am a Chinese and I would like to see that you point be more
>>clear and responsible.
>
>I'm sorry that you inferred that I was implying that such abuses of power 
>had already happened in exactly the way as I had described them. My intention
>was to imply that such abuses can (and probably will) occur in a system
>of government where government officials have authoritarian power. And 
>while it is nice to see the Chinese people's standard of living improving 
>because of the new economic reforms, once the arbitrary powers of corrupt 
>officials affect one's life personally, CMFN may not appear to be so 
>detrimental to China.
>
>Many people like me want CMFN to go thru. That is, we want China to have MFN
>status, but we want human rights in China, too. Do those sentiments make
>one a "political prostitute"?  It seems the implicit assumption of many is 
>that if CMFN is granted, China will not make human rights concessions, and 
>MFN status will be dropped. I don't agree.

We can only determine whether or not we are hurt by CMFN, but we can not
determine whether or not people in China are hurt by that.  But at least, based 
on my judgement and interest, those so-called democratic activitists, who
promote CMFN, are political prostitutes.   What I am doing here is to
raise the question and let everyone, who is interested in, make his own
judgement.   If majority of CSSers on this net think they are political 
prostitutes, it means that they are treated as political prostitutes
other than democratic activities on this net.  If majority of Chinese
people think that the CMFN promoters are political prostitutes, it thus
means that those promoters are treated as political prostitutes in the
Chinese society.   So, if the activities of promoting CMFN are
continued, I will continue to raise the question above based on my point
of view. 

 
J Su

>
>Mark
>
>>
>>H.
>>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:29:11 GMT

In article <lglntoINNrng@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

>The fact is people started to hate CCP since 1949. But, they have no
>place to complain, no way to reverse the sistuation, and no way to change
>anything. 

I think around 1949 and even after, people were still hating the
KMT. At that time, they went to CCP to complain the KMT. The CCP
was glad to help those who complained the KMT. The society was reversing
at that time. But not too long before CCP themselves became
bad.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."



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From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:15:43 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zygote.hsc.usc.edu


In <92Nov20.173716est.162@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu
(Yuanhui Liu) writes:

>> Dr. Sun died from liver cancer(?)
>I think so.

When Dr. Sun died, the medical technology wasn't as good as it is
today, so it was thought that he died of hard working which led
to hepatitis (Gan1 Yan2). Then, it was thought that he perhaps
died of liver cancer. Recent studies with his medical file,
however, suggested that he died of cholangioma (bile-duct cancer
[Dan3 Guang3 Ai2]).


**He2 Ping2, Fen4 Dou4, Jiu4 Zhong1 Guo2.
(Peace, struggling, save China) 	   -Last 3 words of Dr. Sun Yat-sen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wma@ella.carleton.ca (Weidian Ma)
Subject: Zhou En-lai, the helper of Mao
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:06:19 GMT



Zhou En-lai was the main supporter of Mao Zedong.

If Mao was good, so was Zhou. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: What are the first ten best cars in the world? How about best-buys?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.040249.1152252@sue.cc.uregina.ca> guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu) writes:
> It depends on the definition of best.
> If you are looking for the most economic one, Yugo is the best, $3000 US
> for a brand new car in the US(I heard of that the dealers stopped selling
> them for safety reason ... but my next door neighbour is still driving one).  
> If you are looking for the most costly one, Farari(spelling may not be 
> correct) is the one $300,000 US for a brand new one(or more), which is
> the most powerful sports car(... some drivers are living in Beverly Hill ).
> 
> To the ten best cars in the world is not that easy to list, for myself I think
> the Chinese made Red Flag may deserve some high ranking, while the rest of
> the world hardly hear of it. The consumer's guide rank cars from time to
> time, the rankings also change from time to time.
> 
> Hope this answer part of your question.
>
> G.C.Hsu
> 
I heard that Red-Flag car is Benz engine plus different exterior. I also
heard that its chassis weighs 2 tons (4400lb), and won't lose in a collision
with a "Liberation" truck. I doubt its speed can top 70mph.
The gas milage must be less than 10 miles per gallon. It just a light tank.

By the way, I know a lot of chinese students and scholars here bought new
cars. Most of them are Honda Civic, Accord; Toyota Tercel, Corolla, etc.
What is your experience with them?

Sheldon
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:13:14 EST
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Deng Xiaoping = Angel ?

In article <1992Nov16.174846.10199@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu says:
>
>Among the leaders in CG, I like Deng Xiaoping best. It seems to me that he is
>a
>non-communist among the CCP leaders. Compare to Mao, he is an angel while Mao
>is a devil. I like him because he is practical and puts emphasis on economics.
>I still remember his good economic policy in early 1970s that brought many
>Chinese relatively better lives then. I hope he can live longer and thus give
>China a period of time of stability and economic growth. It's more healthy to
>pursue democracy and freedom based on the relatively developed economy.
>
>Carl

He'd better find someone to blame for the 6.4 killings, or most chinese people
will not forgive him, I think.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Brushwriter, A Chinese-English WP
From: bioysl@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:36:15 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University
From: bioysl@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.culture.china
Subject: Brushwriter, a Chinese-English WP
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:34:11 +1000
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University 


	Does anyone know the source of Brushwriter, a Chinese-English word
processor with bi-language function? This seems the best I have ever seen.
It is from Singapore. Any information will be helpful.

	Thanks in advance.

Yong Shu LIU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:22:05 GMT

In article <1e8c6hINNrm6@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain  
(Xiang Zhou) writes:

> Not at all. Acturally, I anticipated all the stuff you are saying here and
> am glad I made a correct prediction. From your postings, especially this one
> and last, I can tell your abusive character and weakness. These two things
> are very related. Maybe you were born an angel, somehow you were turned into
> what you are now, I wouldn't call you a dog, a wolf, a fly or a mosquito  
(maybe
> this one is somehow suitable for you), I just want to make a diagnosis of you  
and
> find a treatment, so that I don't have to see more garbage you dispose on  
this
> net. 

Congratulation on your correct prediction. I guess next US presidential campain  
managers definitely need your help. So, at least I was right to call you a
genius. Also, thank you for "guessing" that I was born an "angel". You are  
really too kind to me. As for now, just call me anything if it makes you fell  
better and gain some weight. I guess it could be my humble contribution to  
somebody like you, and thus,  will definitely make me feel better too.

Oh, I nearly forget (I was overwhelmed by your kindness) to thanks again for  
trying to cure me. What day is today? Someday related to holliness? Why am I so  
lucky that someone keep doing me one favor after another? I should remember  
today, Nov. 16, 1992.

Keep practicing you psychological diagnoses here on this very net. You know  
what, this is really somewhere worthy of investing your precious time to gain  
some experience. You can find all kinds of "psycho" here in this very net  
resulted from the seperation from their dearest motherland and the society in  
which they once were regarded as "elite" (or even genius). I bet after you  
practice here for 3 years, you will certainly be eligible to open a clinic in  
the USA and by then I will come to visit you. 

Oh, please be aware that there are also a few people like you who are  
interested in CSS's behaviors. So, it is very much likely that somebody else  
are analyzing you too. I will put a "filter" on your posts so that I will not  
be overwhelmed by your kindness again. Also, I am not interested on you. 

If you don't want to see my posts, please just use "filter". This will save  
your precious time and thus you can spend more time on somebody else who need  
diagnosis more.

Take it easy, my friend. Oh, by the way, Should I pay you counsultant fee?
How much? A dime? That's too cheap!

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: changsha.hunan.china@china.comp.edu (Hunanese Comrade)
Subject: Hunanese please unite
Organization: Hunanese United
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:59:54 GMT

ct:Looking for Comrades from HUNAN in America! (no, not for another revolution)

I am interested in making contacts with those graduated from Hunan Agricultural
College, especially those who did so in 1981 (i.e. 77 ji students).
There must have been quite a dozen out so far out ....
so, in trying to establish contacts with my dear classmates overseas,
I am sending this expensive message.

    1) Please DO NOT reply to above email address to join the club,
 or 2) inform your friends
 or 3) post a message to my friend in America: 
  zhi-yong_huang@qms1.life.uiuc.edu.  

Many Many Thanks !

Sincerely,   
 
Xian-mei Li

**************NO, My unit does not allow a sig here ******************
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:00:03 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <Bxx3Fx.IJB@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
<In article <102441@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
<(my stuff deleted)
<	I don't think that was the reason he was accused.  I doubt he
<himself or his comrades would agree to that either.
<
<	His "business" had been going very well for several years 
<without major problems before he took part in the 1989 movement.

Excuse me for my ignorance. What was his business? I believe it was
kind of social, economical, and political investigation and research.
Am I right? What he did in TAMS movement, I think, was kind of work
covered by his business:-) I think at least Ms. Wang ZhiHong agrees
on that. In her ShengShu Shu, she emphasises the pure academic nature
of Wang's speech in 4.23, 5.15, 5.18 meetings, and all activities
during late May to early June. (section 1-1).
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From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: [Info] Table of Contents, HXWZ #86
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:08:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

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From: liu@psych.toronto.edu (Chang Hong Liu)
Subject: Re: Chinese character simplification, is it now necessary?
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.184501.14317@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:
>In article <PWU.92Nov20024909@blackjack.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>
>>On the other hand, according to some study I have heard, the children using
>>sound-based writing systems start learning composing much early than the
>>children using pictorial writing systems.  
>
>Could you post a reference to that study?  It goes against my personal
>experience.  In high school, I took Latin and German, but it wasn't
>until I entered college that I started to learn to write in Chinese
>(even though I had spoken it at home since age five).  The characters
>didn't make Chinese much harder.
>
	I'd like to know that study too, because that conclusion 
contradicts my theory. My theory is, in a nuts shell, Chinese writing  
system is no more difficult than any other languages. I claim that
the belief that Chinese writing is more difficult to learn is simply an
illusion. I know some foreigners who really wanted to learn to write learned
perfectly. They normally take about three years of study to read books,
newspapers, and write letters. Do we take less than this when we learn to
write English? 
	Despite my theory says differently to the common views, I'm willing
to change my belief there is any solid study that can convince me.