HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Extermination Of The Jews Of 'Hakkari' By The Armenian Government.
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:52:38 GMT





<1992Jul27.195032.20071@dscomsf.desy.de>
hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)

>In your article, is the Fuller you refer to Buckminster Fuller? I rather
>doubt that Tedrick would like his conclusions in Critical Paths which
>would seem to blow Tedricks aryan supremacist views sky high. (But I

But you are getting ahead of yourself, 'Hallam the Crook.'
A genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people
in an attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime
in history. It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and
Armenian dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed
in the worst ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that
the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no
denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
Muslims happened.

Now, let the Jews speak for themselves.

Extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: eesra@gdr.bath.ac.uk (R Akmese)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: The Truth Needs To Be Told Over And Over Again, 'Khachikian.'
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:02:17 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Jul30.191534.19989@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova2.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.172419.8710@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
>>In article <9207291754.A8208fP@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>>>
>>>During the years of World War I, the Armenian dictators have planned
>>>and perpetrated the genocide of the Turkish people 
>>
>>Mutlu, if you are representative of Turks in general, I wouldn't blame the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Armenians for their actions. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>

	I find that one a stupid and an average Fascist/Nazist
	statement from a person with mental problems
	

>Be careful! You  are hence assuming that Armenians genocided Turks!
>Don't let hbm's poisonous semen root in your brain!
>I agree with you on the general idea anyway...
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Berne.

	but that one a much more Fascist/Nazist and sickly
	statement from a person with even more mental problems
	no matter what the issue is and who it is for and against.
	I now know that Berne is as much as what some people on the net
	call him.

	ReCeP AKMESE
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: It Is Not Surprising That Armenians Collaborated With The Nazis.
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:53:06 GMT





<712184236.0@krypta.fidonet.org>
Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis)

>I don't unterstand, that you do not ignore Hasan Mutlu and his stories?
>In a few weeks he won't post anymore in this conference...

A man of such curiosity and imagination should provide an answer to 
his own question. History is full of stories of genocide. Annihilation
of Urartus and their culture by the Armenian invaders was one of
the first examples of genocide. When Armenian dictators instigated 
Armenians to revolt during World War I against the Ottoman Government,
their intention was to exterminate the Turks and to create an
independent Armenian state in eastern Anatolia where Armenians were
only about 15 percent of the population. Entire population of the
region was subjected to genocide beyond belief; genocide which
was planned to exterminate the whole Turkish people of the region
to the last man, woman and child. Armenians tortured and massacred
millions of defenseless civilians. To assemble innocent civilians 
in the mosques and burn them in the buildings was one of their
methods. Even today the traveler in that region is seldom free
from the evidence of these Armenian crimes.

It is not surprising, that parts of the Dashnaktzoutun collaborated 
with the Nazis.

 "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously
  pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,
  as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and 
  anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]

[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' 
    Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.
  
During World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and
cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication
in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: karageorgiou@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (Voodoo Man : member XMAK)
Subject: Re: Truly, Can Anyone See Any Resemblance Between 'Con*s,' And The...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:58:00 GMT

In article <9207201759.A5323Th@anadolu.michigan.com>, han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes...
> 
> 
> 
> 
><Jul20.161732.64593@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
> 
>First of all, several historians and anthropologists have produced
>substantial evidence with respect to any connection between present-day 
>Greece and ancient Greece. The prominent German historian Jacop P. 
>Fallmerayer published a treatise in 1830 and made the assertion that 
>during the Middle Ages slavik tribes poured into Greece and annihilated 
>the entire Greek population. Truly, can anyone see any resemblance between 
>'Gav*0s,' 'Kovas,' and the ancient Greeks who created a civilization?

If I had a penny for every falsification ...
	
	What about the pontic Greeks ( of which I am a member ) whose
language can be traced a coupla thousand years back. No bullshit just
linguistics. By the way am I supposed to forget 1922 is it too far back
in memory? 
	In case you do not understand ,I do not have hatred , just bitternes
disapointment.I have lived the life of a dog , and i do not want that to happen
to anyone again, not you not Atilla the Hun not anyone.

BTW if you want to flame me do it by E-mail, I do NOT follow this group
normally.

karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu
karage@insci.com

--------------------------- Of course the above opinions are my own opinions

	
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From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.history
Subject: Re: It Is True That The Goal Of Our Struggle Is To Annex Cyprus To Greece.
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:43:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <5082@transfer.stratus.com> markc@eomer.sw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
>Can someone tell me how to create a kill file so that I
>don't have to read all this Mutlu stuff?  I'm new
>to this.  Thanks.

You have to create a file called KILL in your /.../News directory, containing
following lines:

/^From: han@anadolu/h:j
/^From: hbm@ddsw1/h:j

...and you be free from mutlu's crap. Oboy, what a feeling!

 
--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania | If you can't learn  
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter | to do it well,
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                | learn to enjoy doing it badly.
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From: ugurdag@ces.cwru.edu (Fatih Ugurdag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: What is the origin of the name Istanbul?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:52:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University


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From: tsatsaro@emily4.Berkeley.EDU (Konstantinos Tsatsaronis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Olimpiyat
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:59:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily4.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul28.175300.18663@u.washington.edu> teoman@milton.u.washington.edu (Teoman Smith) writes:
>you probably look at anything spoken or written in Turkish in horror...
>That must be a horable way to live... in fear that Turks are saying
>something bad about Greeks... :) get a life and relax... many Turks
>have nothing against your people. :) 
>
>Enjoy your summer and stay away from the computer a little bit...
>laters
>Teo

You are probably right that Greeks  are a little "jumpy" when a Turk
speaks (specially in this group !!).  There was no other reason for 
the suspicious reaction but the fact that a text in turkish was 
cross-posted in s.c.g  by a mistake ( or force of habit :-)) of the
original poster.

As a matter of fact I myself noticed that the turkish delegation
happenned to appear during a commercial break that came after the 
athletes from Tunisia came into the stadium.  It was one of these 
unfortunate  moments that happen when you are watching such 
international events in a foreign TV. Things are worse when this 
TV happens to be an american one.  Did anyone notice that we have
not seen *anything* and *nobody* that does not involve directly
an american athlete?  Prime example is the coverage of the swimming
events.  We start with a soap opera type heart-warming story about
the athlete, his/her parents, their dog, the local coffee shop 
owner e.t.c.  Then for three minutes before the race we keep 
alternating between a gros-plan (sp?) of his/her face and the 
ever nervous mom up in the stands.  When the race finally starts
we watch them through any angle possible without any reference to
the rest of the pool.  The best part comes when they do not win
the race and we do not get to see who did win indeed.  The 
camera focuses on their disappointed face and there is no
mention at all of who is the winner what the winning time 
was who is second third e.t.c

I personally find it incredibly irritating and it is extremely
hard not to root for any non-american no matter the nationality.
Now that I think about it I might even cheer for a Turk if they
manage to finish before Summer Sanders :-).... ( Hey relax
do not try to read anything between the lines here I was trying to be 
funny.)

BTW the faithful readers of the list must be content to learn that 
Mutlu was fifth in the combined classification for one of the 
heavy weightlifting categories.  There is no joke here, read Mondays
paper.  I guess that all this trips back and forth the library 
carrying volumes of reffernces really paid off!!!!!!

Regards, 
Costas Tsatsaronis 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: dalgic@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ismail Dalgic)
Subject: Wanted: Unbiased book about recent history of Cyprus
Originator: dalgic@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:38:13 GMT


Subject line says it all.  We are interested in the events that took
place between 1960-1975 in particular.  This is actually a request
from an American journalist.  He already has many references by Greek
authors.  Now he is looking for books written by authors possibly from
Turkey, or any other "uninvolved" nationalities.  Please send brief
references that you have to the following address:

erhan.aksoy@amail.amdahl.com

Thanks,
--Ismail Dalgic
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Well, Still Anxiously Awaiting For 'Milson's Revisionism On pp. 202,...
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:22:26 GMT





Then we noticed 'Milson's revisionism.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5
 million Muslims)

p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).

Well,...

p. 20 (second paragraph).

...

p. 203 (second paragraph).

...

p. 204 (first paragraph).

...

Next: 'Dunn.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Re: The Truth Needs To Be Told Over And Over Again, 'Khachikian.'
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:24:19 GMT

In article <9207291754.A8208fP@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>During the years of World War I, the Armenian dictators have planned
>and perpetrated the genocide of the Turkish people 

Mutlu, if you are representative of Turks in general, I wouldn't blame the
Armenians for their actions.
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The 'Mongol's Burden' (destruction of civilization)
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:34:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul27.195032.20071@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:

> In your article, is the Fuller you refer to Buckminster Fuller? I rather
> doubt that Tedrick would like his conclusions in Critical Paths which
> would seem to blow Tedricks aryan supremacist views sky high. (But I
 
No. It's another Fuller, a historian which Tom Tedrick seems
to like to quote for whatever reason.


> Also I think that it is a bit unfair to have a go at the specifics
> Fuller presented, the general point he was trying to get across was I
> beleive more that our traditional Western view of history (and pre
> history) is slanted politicaly. The fertile crescent is claimed as the


Yes. This is the traditional point of view that still seems to
persist in the minds of the people who are abetted by the
works of some historians whose minds still seem to be mired
in the last century's grand imperial scheme of the world.


Most of the fuel for this seems to come from the last 400-500
years of European hegemony, especially the last century
and this century. It was necessary to explain this in
terms of racial reasons, and they started to rebuild past
glory and ignore everyone else's history.

Since most of whatever scientific-technological achievements
of today come from the last couple of centuries, the 
achievements of the other civilizations paled in comparison
and it seemed justified. The mistake some people make is
in assuming that this particular way of thinking and behaving
only belonged in the past to European civilizations and to
no others. The real extremists carry this further and seem to
claim that it will probably belong to no others except
Europeans. Sadly, such people still seem to exist.
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: What is the origin of the name Istanbul?
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:18:47 GMT





<6747@charon.cwi.nl>
dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)

 >>                                                    Istanbul was
 >> named 'Islambol' long before your ancestors entered the scene.

>Do you have sources that support this?  

Always.

Source: Bekir S. Erdogan, 'Istanbul Destanlar Icinde,' Baha Basimevi,
        Istanbul, 1956, p. 28.

>My sources tell me it comes from 'eis ten polin'.  

It is a Greek myth.

>But a derivation from 'plenty of Islam' would be
>interesting, though it requires a bit of explaining.

Theology is amazing, and holy books abound.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:7974 soc.culture.greek:6745
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: What is the origin of the name Istanbul?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:02:48 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <6747@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
>In article <9207221004.A2043OR@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
> >                                                    Istanbul was
> > named 'Islambol' long before your ancestors entered the scene.
>
>Do you have sources that support this?  My sources tell me it comes from
>'eis ten polin'.  But a derivation from 'plenty of Islam' would be
>interesting, though it requires a bit of explaining.

Considering that the Greek island of Kos is called Istinkoy by the Turks
(eis ten Ko)...
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne)
Subject: Over 30 hbm's deeds in one go - couldn't count!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:50:26 GMT

Never had such a list of hbm's posts junked in one go! It looks like since
hbm was expelled from his ddsw1 site, then humiliated by his sysadmin, and
then dishonored by people who read his references, his mono-neural brain is
an anthill after a kick!
I wouldn't be able to tell what he wrote for he has been in my kill file
for a long time now.
But probably running crazy after some other 'truth' in some other 'source',
hoping to recover a part of his honor...  he's in a dead lock.

But hey, it's time for my monthly posting!:
---------------------
People using rn on unix systems: if you want to automatically discard
mutlu's hate-mails, create a file:

~/News/soc/culture/europe/KILL			-keep capitalisation

containing the lines:

/^From:.*hbm@ddsw1/hj
/^From:.*han@anadolu/hj

or the mail address (following the same pattern) of any other jerk you don't
want to read.
Mutlu also forges posts where she signs: ktulu ozguven. But it's the same
person.
----------------------
Berne.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: ...Murdering All The Muslims Outside The Border, 'Viznyuk.'
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:21:56 GMT





<1992Jul26.175804.13159@physics.ucla.edu>
viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)

> Ty ne prav, Misha. I e.g. think that Mutla is alive just because
>nobody, except some Armenian idiots took him seriously

That's pretty much the summary of the daily news about the 'Armenians.'
If you're interested, this summer's search produced these results:

According to Karabekir:[1]

2. An Armenian detachment formed of infantrymen, cannons, and machine guns,
   which wanted 3 million manat [local money] and 200 horses from the village
   of Chakmak to the northwest of Kars, has demolished the village, and has
   pillaged the properties and possessions of the inhabitants.

3. The Armenians demanded ninety thousand manat as ransom from twenty seven
   Muslim villages in total in the region of Yukari Kotanli, Asagi Kotanli,
   Oluklu, Kemerli, Tuzluca, Bocuklu, Subhanazat, Kars, Igdir, Cavlak, Pasli,
   Karacayir, and said that if they did not give in, they would meet the same
   fate as the village of Chakmak.

4. The Muslims who are being oppressed by the cruelties of the Armenians are
   constantly asking our border commanders with the Malakan villages for help.
   They tell of the attacks and atrocities of the Armenians, which have 
   increased considerably in recent times, and plead that their lives and
   honour be protected. It has been confirmed that they are making preparations
   to murder all the Muslims outside the border, and to pillage their 
   properties. Kazim Karabekir.

[1] Karabekir, Kazim, "Istiklal Harbimiz," Istanbul, 1969, p. 750.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish