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From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: THE NEWS YOU WANT TO HEAR...
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:30:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Article #34014 (34018 is last):
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,clari.news.f
ighting
Subject: Afghan president visits Pakistan
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:21:22 1992

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani
arrived Friday in Pakistan amid speculation that he may meet Bosnian
President Alija Izetbegovic, who is expected to arrive Saturday.
        The visit follows media reports from Bosnia that Afghan Mujahideen
fighters were helping Bosnian Muslims in their fight against the Serbs.
        Officials in Islamabad said Rabbani, who landed at the northern city
of Peshawar, will begin his official appointments Saturday when he comes
to Islamabad.
        It is Rabbani's first presidential visit to Pakistan, which helped
the Afghan resistance in toppling the Soviet-installed regime in Kabul.
        Rabbani and other Mujahideen leaders fought their 14-year war against
the communists from Peshawar before returning to Kabul in April this
year after the collapse of the communist government.
        Diplomatic sources said Rabbani may meet Izetbegovic, who arrives
Saturday evening but has no meetings scheduled with Pakistani leaders
until Sunday. Both the leaders were to be in Islamabad until Sunday
evening.
        Rabbani will go to Iran from Pakistan. Iran has proposed forming an
Islamic force to help the Bosnian Muslims when the Bosnian foreign
minister visited Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, two months ago.
        Izetbegovic told Pakistani television in New York Friday he was
``grateful to Pakistan and other Muslim countries for the solidarity you
showed with us.''
        Pakistan was one of the first countries to expel Belgrade's
ambassador after Serb rebels attacked Bosnia.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: Books about the War of Liberation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:21:38 GMT

Some time ago I came across two books on Bangladesh written by an
insider who went over to the other side of the fence. The names of the 
books escape me and so does the name of the author. I think his last 
name is Rahman. The two books were published in the UK in recent years.
The author was an Awami League insider and had been affiliated with the
provisional government in Mujibnagar during 1971. It looks like he went
into the bad books of the AL shortly after the government moved to
Dhaka after liberation. Being jilted and maltreated by the Awami League
he finally went off to the UK where he lives in exile. His two books
discussed the unconstitutionality/extra-constitutionality of the non-
cooperation movement in Bangladesh in March 1971 just preceding the
Pakistani military crack-down on March 25th. He also discussed the lack
of full legal process in the treatment of Governor Malik at the end of the 
war and went into details describing how some collaborators were denied
full legal process in their summary trials and execution, etc. 

It is undeniable that there are many instances of transgressions by the
freedom fighters in course of their fight to liberate our motherland. 
But to use those instances in any logical argument to negate the essence
of the Liberation War is a different story. 

I am trying to recollect the name of the author and the books. Does anybody
know the name of the author or the pubklisher. If so please send me email.
Shubhechhante,
Wasif (was@lcuxlp.att.com)
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From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: Just Wondering!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.182643@IASTATE.EDU> hshams@IASTATE.EDU (Habib Shams) writes:
>Just wondering if SCB is still alive!
>
Yes, SCB is still alive, but it has been hospitalized due to serious illness.
It is in coma right now.  According to the doctors, it is suffering from
severe malnutrition.  

>Habib


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         PO Box 93234   Rochester Hills     MI 48309      (313) 370 3858
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Debabrata Biswas [was: Romance Myths]
Date: 1 Oct 1992 22:42:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

In article 20313@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes:
[about Debabrata Biswas]
>Any idea why he was persecuted/black-listed? 
>
>Wasif

I heard a recording in Biswas's own voice describing what happened.
Vishva Bharati Music Board complained about him singing "Pushpo Diye Maro
Jarey." They claimed that "musical accompaniment hampers the sentiment
of the song," and refused to grant him permission to release this song.
Biswas said this Board, consisting mostly of people younger and less 
experienced in Rabindra Sangeet matters than himself, asked him to change
the recording. This hurt his sense of self-respect and he refused. As a
result he was not allowed to record for quite a few years.

Friends from W. Bengal have claimed that the real reason behind the
ban was his immense popularity, which threatened to outshine all the other
bigwigs in the arena. Being unfamiliar with the politics therein, I
cannot verify or deny this.
 
I tend to agree with Sayan's assessment regarding how Tagore would
have reacted to this. Being deified, with his music brought under some
strict rigmarole, would be that last thing he would have wanted. Therein
lies the tragedy of this episode.

Thanks for mentioning Zahedur Rahim, who did bring out the power
and force of Tagore's songs (I guess Kalim Sharafi does some of that
now.) His untimely death was a huge loss. (Among the women, Fahmida Khatun
does a stunning version of "Maharajo Eki Shajey Eley Hridoyo Puromajhey.")

A good voice, particularly for singing RS, is a rare gift indeed.

- Ihtisham Kabir
From: 87p1677@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: From CANADA to AUSTRALIA
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:01:12 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales




Assalamu alaikum warahmatullah. 

Hope all the netters are doing well. It is nice to be back on the scb
after leaving The University of Western Ontarion, Canada and staying
over four months in Dhaka. It was a new experience in the University
of Dhaka to see the arms battle on campus as a faculty after a long
stay in Canada. Hope I didn't have to have this experience in a place
that is suppose to impart light. 

Hope to be in touch with scb as much as possible. Interested parties
may reach me by e-mail through one of my D.U. Colleagues (Muhammad Ali) 
at the University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia from where I am 
posting this message.


Shahjahan Khan Mukul

2/100 Bland St.
Ashfield, NSW 2131
Australia
Ph (02) 799 8116 (H)
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Global Nomads
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:31:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I like "Global Nomad". I used to think I was a "citizen of the world",
however, the people of european stock never shared that view (ie 
they continued to treat me as an ex colonial) and the deshis sneered
at me.

Global Nomad has a nice ring to it - somewhat like Mad Max.

Move over Mel, we are taking over :-).

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hshams@IASTATE.EDU (Habib Shams)
Subject: Just Wondering!
Reply-To: hshams@IASTATE.EDU (Habib Shams)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:26:43 GMT

Just wondering if SCB is still alive!

Habib
From: aag8924@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Asif  Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Clash at Adamjee Jute Mills
Keywords: strike call, clash, Adamjee
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:06:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCnIG.8LH
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	DHAKA, Bangladesh (UPI) --Twenty-five workers were injured Sunday,
four with serious bullet wounds, when pro-government jute workers tried
to enforce a strike at the country's largest jute mills complex at
Adamjee, according to reports from Narayaganj Monday.
	Clashes erupted between supporters of the ruling Bangladesh
Nationalist Party's Labor Front, which called the dawn-to-dusk strike,
and rival groups, according to police in Narayaganj.
	Police estimated 200 homemade bombs were used in the running battle
which spread into the town some nine miles east of Dhaka.
	Most of those injured in the clashes received shrapnel wounds from
bombs packed with nails.
	Witnesses at Adamjee, the world's largest jute factory which employs
60,000 workers, said supporters of the pro-government Nationalist
Workers Party openly brandished firearms in the mills and threw bombs at
rivals in a bid to keep workers from reporting to work.
	The BNP's labor wing had called the strike to demand a ``terrorism-
free factory'' and an enhanced pay-scale for workers.
	Strike leaders, however, called off their action at mid-day after
receiving ``assurances from factory management that their demands would
be looked into'', Adamjee officials said.
	A number of workers claimed strike supporters had gone from house to
house Saturday night, instructing residents not to report for duty.
Police in Narayangonj denied knowledge of any such threats by pro-
government strike organizers.
From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Delecious Pakistani Lunch at Purdue
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:40:14 GMT

In article 25078@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, hasnie@ecn.purdue.edu (Rizwan Hasnie) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>        P A K I S T A N   S T U D E N T S  A S S O C I A T I O N
> 
>                       Invites  You  To  Taste
> 
>                          D E L I C I O U S
>                          =================
>   
>                   P A K I S T A N I   C U I S I N E
>                   =================================
> 
>  
> ******  Break The Routine, Have Lunch With Us!
> 
> ******  Pick From A Wide Variety Of Mouth-Watering Dishes!
> 
>         *** Chicken Qorma (Cury)         *** Shami Kabab
>         *** Pulao (Vege. Rice)           *** Vegetarian Dish
>         *** Kheer (Pakistani dessert)    *** Baqlawa (Mid-East dessert)
>         *** Fruit Chat                   *** Chana Chat
>         *** Pakora                       *** Cold Drinks
> 
> ******  Most Items Are Priced At $0.50 to $1.00 Per Serving.
> 
> 
>         TIME: 11:00 AM --- 1:30 PM
>         DATE: Tuesday, 29th September 
>         PLACE: University Church (Across from Union)
> 
> 
>           ==============================================
>           Proceeds Will Go To Flood Victims In Pakistan.
>           ==============================================
> 
> 

The menu is indeed mouth-watering. But It can easily be called a Bangladeshi 
one as well. Except for Baqlawa, which isn't Pakistani either. To me the menu 
looks like a typical north Indian Musilm one. Can anyone mention some native 
Pakistani dishes which aren't derived from Mughlai cuisine? Like shutki or 
Rosogolla in Bangladesh! 

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson Univeristy
 


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From: hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem)
Subject: Re: Independence vs Autonomy ( was Re: The word "liberation")
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.234748.10025@udel.edu> kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.211054.722@sol.cs.wmich.edu> hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) writes:
>
>>I don't think anyone has any problem with Zunaid's bringing up the topic.
>>However, the problem arises when some one tries to infer something based
>>on that topic with no basis. If someone is not willing to disclose his/her
>>identity then we should not use his/her comments/remarks to define some other
>>person. That's the whole point.
>
>I wouldn't categorize my conjectures based on the my perceptions of
>the veracity of the incident that I narrated, to have no basis. Of course,
>I understand your point that my unwillingness to divulge the identity
>of the source of the comments makes it hard for other people to 
>impute the same degree of veracity that I am able to do. I don't see
>how the name of the person who was present during the incident could
>make any difference here, unless netters assume that, that person had
>some personal reasons to disseminate some story of dubious nature.
>All l can say is that, this is definitely not the case. Again, I leave
>the netters no other recourse than to take my word for it.
>
>I think the name of the source is only marginally relevant here, as
>succeeding posts have appeared to corroborate  the basic conjecture
>that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was unaware of the magnitude of the events
>that unfolded during his incarceration, and more fundamentally, my
>perception that the AL did not have outright independence in mind
>during the course of the 6-point autonomy movement, until suceeding
                                  ^^^^^^^^
>events made it the sole acceptable goal.
>
>That is all.
>

By the way, by "no basis" I meant to say with no proper reference. Sorry for 
any kind of improper usage of words.
I have no problem with your unwillingness to divulge the identity of the 
person. The point I am trying to make is that can we take your word to 
define Bongobandhu's position (or AL's position) on the liberation war.

I have objection on using the name "the 6-point autonomy movement" for the historic
"the 6-point movement"!! Since the discussion is on the 6-point movement,
let's stick to the actual name. 

I would like to ask the same question that I asked in one my previous postings.
Do you think that 6-point movement should have been the liberation movement from the
very beginning? 

>-- Zunaid
>   kazi@cis.udel.edu
>
>motivated by some personal animosity towards the Bongobandhu. All, I
>

????????????????


--Moazzem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Subject: Re: Romance Myths
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:40:32 CST

In article <1992Sep29.224214.10695@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
> In article <lcf7vjINNlfa@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>If anything, I think Tagore's popularity amongst the masses of Bangladesh
>>is even less than that in W. Bengal. However, he is quite popular 
>>among the educated urban middle classes. There are many music schools
>>in Dhaka which teach Tagore, Nazrul and other songs.  
>>
>>I have heard speculations that if it was not for Debabrata Biswas,
>>Tagore songs would have remained even less accessible to Bengalis. He
>>was the first great popularizer of Tagore songs. And of course, his
>>songs are the best things that Tagore left us.
>>
>>- Ihtisham Kabir
> 
> 
> I think that it would be more proper to say that the first great
> populariser of Tagore's music was Pankaj Kumar Mullick. I would
> doubt that Debabrata Biswas had a big role in popularisation of
> Tagore's music, for unfortunately he was persecuted for a long time
> by the music "establishment: in West Bengal for a long time and
> for quite a long period he wasn't even allowed to record Tagore's
> songs. His autobiography , in which he talks about it, is called
> "Bratyojoner Ruddhasangeet" ("Imprisoned Music of an Outcast")  .
> 
> The person who is responsible the most for really popularising
> Tagore in West Bengal at least is , I think, Hemanta Kumar Mukherjee.
> 
> Incidentally, could some kind soul on this newsgroup post something
> on who are the leading Rabindrasangeet singers in contemporary 
> Bangladesh ? I have heard about some of them (such as Rezwana
> Chowdhuri Bonya) but unfortunately my knowledge is very meagre.
> 
> Shubhechhante,
> 
> -Sayan Bhattacharyya.
> 
> 
> 
>

I think Rezwana chowdhuri Banya is the most popular one.
Some other popular Rabindra sangeet singers are--

Kalim Sarafi
Kaderi Kibria(recently migrated to USA) 
Papia Sarwar
Sadi Mohammad
Tapan Mahmud
Iffatara 
Mithu Haque
Sanjida Khatun 


---Zakir

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Subject: Re: Rabindrasangeet 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:17:00 GMT


In article 5572 bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:

> I partially agree with Abhijit and indeed I admit that there is a
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> considerable risk of corruption of our cultural heritage including
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Rabindrasangeet , particularly in these days of "pop culture" , in
> the absence of a monitoring authority which does some kind of quality
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>control. My difference with Abhijit is that I don't think that 
> censorship is a good solution.

>The problem with censorship is that, if you support it, then you 
>are implicitly allowing certain high priests of culture to dictate
>to you what is or is not "culture". However, in the case of culture,
>it is individual and subjective judgement that should perhaps be 
>the touchstone, not the dictates of an exalted cultural priesthood.

	Well, can we call a "monitoring authority" which cannot censor,
an "authority" any more? 

	Jokes apart, don't you feel that "individual and 
subjective judgement" on matters such as the form and spirit of 
Rabindrasangeet may sometimes get more influenced by "pop culture" than we
might want it to be? Especially, in so short a period of its existence 
compared to Indian Classical Music. 

>Maybe we should wait for time and posterity to take care of the task
>of separating the grain from the chaff, rather than appoint censors
                                                             ^^^^^^^
>of dubious talent and capability to do so.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As far as I know, some of the so called censors were rather talented and
well-known figures in the sphere of Rabindrasangeet. Perhaps some of them
went out of their way in not limiting their judgement to Debabrata Biswas'
singing but going after his immense popularity as well.

	Ihtisam Kabir (kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM) has, in fact, made a mention
of this possibility in his article (No. 5564).
Sincerely,
	Abhijit



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.171452.28230@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.195010.9296@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan) writes:
>> 
>> Even worse, music of a lot
>> of these Nazrulgeetis were not given by Nazrul ( Kamal DasGupta had
>> given music to lot of Nazrulgeetis). 

What's so bad about that?? Even the tunes of Tagore's songs are not all his
own!! How about that for another lesser known fact?:-)

>> As a result, Nazrulgeetis are 
>> sung in different ways according to the likings and perceptions of the 
>> artists. 

This is one of the charms of Nazrulgeeti and is true also of most of
Atulprasad's songs. Many of Nazrul's songs were actually lyrics he composed
for pre-existing, often light classical, tunes. These melodies were not 
cast in concrete.

>> - Abu S. Mahmudul Hassan

>Is Feroza Begum in any way involved with the work of preserving the
>purity of Nazrul's music? She is one of the few people alive who had 
>learnt music from Nazrul himself. Besides she is the wife of Kamal 
>Dasgupta and was responsible for carrying the flame after he was gone.
>I remember Feroza Begum's speech at a function in New Jersey many years
>ago where she dwelt on the subject of doing something to preserve
>Nazrul's works, etc. That was long before the Nazrul Academy launched
>its present efforts.

From speaking with her here last year, I got the following impression:
She seems to feel that she has carried the torch long enough having
dedicated the major part of her life to singing Nazrulgeeti exclusively.
She is now beginning to sing other songs, mostly, I think, by contemporary
lyricists and many in the Bangla ghazal style popularized by Nazrul.

Also, although she made absolutely no reference to this, caring for 
Kamalda through his protracted illness must have taken its emotional
and physical toll.

While on the topic of Nazrul, let me see if I can stir this group to life
-- and arms?:-) What do folks think of Bangladesh "appropriating" Nazrul
as their national(?) poet? It is my impression - correct me if I am wrong
- that Nazrul never set foot in the Eastern part of Bengal till his final
days. Are the ties of religion so strong that he becomes the national poet
over someone like Jasimuddin? Is that enough cause to arrange the hasty
burial in Bangladesh - although I'm sure his family consented to this -
rather than burying him in his native district or city? These are points
that were pointed out to me by a Bangladeshi friend who, though born
Muslim, is now a self-professed atheist.

Now I'm heading for my bunker from where I'll watch the flames on TV:-)

Bye

Amitava
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Book on Liberation war
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:37:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

I think Pran Chopra wrote another book on Bangladesh that
was published by the MIT press some years ago. Can't remember
the name, and it has disappeared from my bookshelf.

- Ihtisham Kabir


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: cc_s503@ceres (Joseph Jabbar)
Subject: Re: Global Nomads
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:42:37 GMT

hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
: I like "Global Nomad". I used to think I was a "citizen of the world",
: however, the people of european stock never shared that view (ie 
: they continued to treat me as an ex colonial) and the deshis sneered
: at me.
: 
: Global Nomad has a nice ring to it - somewhat like Mad Max.
: 
: Move over Mel, we are taking over :-).
: 
: Hassan

	I think of myself as a "citizen of the world" and see no reason
	to think differently even if people of European stock don't.

	They don't have exclusive rights to that self description and to
	alter your views because of what they think is to confer upon them
	a superiority that no-one can claim, if indeed we are "citizens of 
	the world".

Joseph Jabbar, (British & Bangla)
Kingston University
United Kingdom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: UNHCR
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:16:17 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <67175@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
   Can anyone shed light on why the governemnt is unhappy with said
   person? Specifics of incidents would help.

A news report said something about an attitude problem and showing no
respect for government officials. Will post more at a later date.

Saif
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