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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:25:24 GMT

In article <Bz84Aw.CGt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>>It's taken 12 years to establish a bus standard which offers reasonable
>>performance and you call that innovative? What a dog and pony show.

>   How do you base this statement?  The IBM 8-bit XT bus offers good 
>performace with the 8086 and 8088 processors for which it was designed.  The
>16-bit ISA bus also offers good performance with the 80286 processors for
>which it was designed.  

I don't recall mentioning the relative merits of either the XT or ISA bus,
but I'll indulge you for the sake of sanity. It's well known that very little
foresight was devoted to the PC bus architecture. 

>   Granted, the industry had to wait a while to get a bus standard that offers
>good performance with the Intel 32-bit processors, but the wait wasn't 12
>years.  The 80386 has only been available for less than four years.  (I forget
>exactly how long the 386 has been available)

Less than four years? Try 1985. And no one said it's been a 12 year wait,
the point was that it's taken a considerable length of time to consolidate
and promote a standard in an industry that has been in existence for 12
years.

As per usual... 

>   BTW, is the Amiga market totally free of long waits for updates to basic
>technologies?  How long will we have to wait for virtual memory from Commodore?
>(I noted in the transcripts of Lou Eggebrecht's (sp) talks that Commodore has
>no plans for virtual memory)  How long did the Amiga market have to wait for
>decent color capability?  How long will the Amiga market have to wait for
>updates to the sound capabilities in the lowest-common-denominator Amigas?
>How long will the Amiga market have to wait for memory protection and OS
>features to make AmigaOS virus-resistant?  How long will the Amiga market have
>to wait for device-independent graphics?  How long will the Amiga market
>have to wait for CD-ROM support from Copmmodore for the higher-end Amigas?
>How long will the Amiga market have to wait for MPEG decompression hardware
>products for the high-end Amigas?

How long can people tolerate this petulant twaddle? As usual, you've taken the
opportunity to decontextualize a comment and use it for your own personal
agenda. 

>>For 90% of the PC industry, R&D means replicate and duplicate.

>   Hardly.  In the PC industry, most of R&D is spent on software-oriented
>research and development.

We were discussing bus standards a moment ago. Where did software come into
this anyway?

>The Amiga market seems must more infatuated with
>hot hardware and less oriented toward real computing applications.  This is
>possibly because 90% of Amiga owners are the types who have more credit than
>brains, and are continuously spending 80% of their family's after-tax incomes
>on Amiga hardware.

Always a charmer.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Help me not to change computers!
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:15:31 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <BzAADw.Gq@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.184846.1256146@sue.cc.uregina.ca> courtn@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (todd courtnage) writes:
>>On top of that, Interplay has set up it's first UK office, and will be
>>producing/publishing it's own games (ie not thru EA, like in US/Canada).
>>What this means is, we'll be seeing Star Trek: The 25th Anniversary game,
>>Castles II: Seige and Conquest and Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space for the
>>Amiga.  They have a sneak preview of Star Trek in the issue, it's been in 
>>development since last July (although they weren't saying anything about it
>>till they announced the UK office), and if the pictures are of the Amiga
>>version is looks GREAT!  They're even adding improvments to the Amiga 
>>version that weren't in the IBM version.
>
>   The original IBM version suffered enormously from the fact that it came on
>20 or so disks.  If the Amiga version is a direct port of the IBM version, it
>will also be disappointing.  What would be much nicer would be a port to Amiga
>CD-ROM of the new IBM CD-ROM version of the ST Anniversary Game.  But this
>will not happen because there are so few people with Amigas and CD-ROM drives.
>
>   I really wish Commodore would get their butts in gear with Amiga CD-ROM
>support.  I mean, how tough can it be to purchase CD-ROM drives and resell
>them?

Because, at this time, a CD-ROM drive would mostly sit and collect dust.
Try as I might, I really can't get enthused over a read only storage
device.  I would rather have a 600 meg Sony MO drive.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT (was: 4 Colour Interfaces : -( )
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:18:36 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec11.151000.1302@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Rick Kelly (root@rkamiga.UUCP) wrote:
>:
>: 1. NT can only be ported to little endian byte ordered machines.  This
>:    includes Intel, Alpha, and Mips in "spim" mode.  And leaves out all
>:    of the other RISC processors and the 68k.
>:
>
>I'm not disputing this, but I find it hard to believe.  My work over the
>past four years has included porting huge software products across
>big-endian and little-endian machines, and I just can't imagine endian-ness
>being a major problem.  What is it about NT that makes it so tightly-bound
>to little-endian machines?

Evidently the internals of the kernel depend on it.  They weren't flexible
enough whem writing the code.  Remember, one of the architects of NT was
also an architect of VMS, another little-endian OS.

Believe me, the Alpha was designed with VMS in mind.

>The fact that integers are 32 bits and pointers are 64 bits on the Alpha, now
>*that* is a problem that we here have only begun to deal with.

True. This is just the kind of thing that makes apps a "joy" to port to
another hardware platform.

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From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:57:40 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: don@chopin.udel.edu's message of Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:46:20 GMT

In article <Bz3Kx9.GC9@news.udel.edu> don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:

>In <bn.01co@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
>>3.0 has nothing to do with the general improvement of the OS. It's a
>>release for support of the AGA chipset. 3.1 will be important, because

>     Wrong.  3.0 also adds Datatypes.library, the directory caching FFS,
>and numerous other improvements internally (like support for double-buffering
>in Intuition, etc).  It's far from an AGA version of 2.1... it's a rather
>big upgrade all the way around.  Why CBM is even bothering with 2.1 is a 
>bit of a mystery to me.

Intuition? I thought the ChangeScreenBuffer() (or whatever it is...) is a 
Graphics.library routine... Anyway, gfx.lib has been speeded up, not a small
thing either...
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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:09:45 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Wow, this sort of comment REALLY points out some Amiga inadequecies:
>
>1) Apps have private screens.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!  HAW! HAW!

(You were joking--right?)

-- Gerald
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Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:17:27 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <BzFKn3.C2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>- 24-bit palette [most PCs bought for the home have 18-bit VGA/SVGA  
>>palettes],
>
>What video card has an 18 bit palette?  By palette, I'm assuming you
>mean the number of possible colour choices, not the number at one
>time.
>
Yea, isn't it normally a 16bit palette??  256K some colors?


Jim

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:41:27 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <Bz85pK.DHt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   You are brainless.  is SCSI II the only SCSI design available for use in

I beg your pardon?  You, Mr. Marc "CDTV is Dead, and if I don't know a
fact I'll make it up" Barrett shouldn't be calling ANYONE brainless.
Especially not for voicing a simple opinion.  You're out of line,
Marc.  Again.

>  In short, for a personal computer priced under $3000 -- which would be 
>packaged with a slower SCSI hard drive -- the cheaper implementation of SCSI
>that the A3000 used would have been fine.  Since the design was already done,
>using this design might have actually allowed the A4000 to become available
>SOONER.  And the A3090 could still have been marketed for people who wanted
>to upgrade their A3000's and A4000's with super-fast high-capacity SCSI II
>hard drives.  Finally, implementing the A3000's SCSI design in the A4000 
>probably would not have raised the price by much since the SCSI chips used in
>the A3000 should be available dirt cheap by now.

The design for both the IDE and the SCSI systems had already been
designed--that should be obvious.  Reasons behind one or the other can
be argued forever.  Both sets of electronics should be cheap, but if
cost is the issue, IDE wins.  And due to extra board space taken up by
the SCSI system, it may have actually taken more work to integrate it
into the system, so whether it would have been a "shorter" time is
also up in the air.

Calling someone brainless and supporting it with conjecture isn't
exactly good form, Marc.  I think you owe him an apology.  Then again,
I think you still owe the net an apology for your whole "CDTV is Dead"
fiasco.  The net will probably never see either.

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@vccsouth26.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:43:04 GMT

In article <1h086qINNb0h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) says:
|> 
|> >Umm, doesn't it strike you as a conflict the increased size of the AGA games-to-
|> >be and the fact that many A1200's won't have harddrives to put them on?
|> 
|> The local dealer says he just put in a $20K order with C=. He ONLY ordered
|> A1200's WITH harddrives because he figures that's what people are going
|> to want. He claims for $850 you get the A1200, harddrive, plus DPaint 4.5
|> and Final Copy II! Hopefully, I'll be there Monday when the shipment
|> comes in....

Bless him!

Our only hope is that dealers are smart enough not to advertise or sell the
new machines WITHOUT hard drives. Maybe, if C= sees that they're not moving
any of the no-HD units, they'll just drop them.


An official Amiuser plea to all dealers... especially the guys at Amigo on
Long Island...

(you listening, Don? I'm counting on you....)

PLEASE push the hard drive-standard, real-processor-equipped Amigas. Yes, you
want to sell the customer what he wants, and the sale is the most important
thing. But a hard drive is (1) real neat, (2) fairly cheap, and (3) almost a
necessity in today's world. People that buy computers without hard drives
end up never using them.

end plea... just one more not to users everywhere:

Remember, if EVERY Amiga user has a hard drive, the developers will start to
care...

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31783 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18843
From: marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc Heuler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 08:53:05 GMT
Organization: ImageArts

In article <jon.taylor.62.724187854@uuserv.cc.utah.edu> jon.taylor@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (JON M. TAYLOR) writes:
>	OK, I'll tell you why.  It's only recently that PCs have begun to 
>"burden" themselves with multitasking GUIs.  Before that, they could devote 
>almost all the horsepower of their machines to running apps.  An they had 

Every Amiga program that wishes to do so can call Forbid() or Disable() to
shut down the whole multitasking environment - and use full processor
power. But no advanced Amiga user would use such a program, because
multitasking opens doors to worlds. Amiga operating system is very
efficient, so there's not that much overhead. When my system is heavily
loaded with background processes, it's MY CHOICE to run a certain
application which will maybe use only half of the processor power then.
If I had the time to wait, and wanted the app to run quick, I would simply
wait and start it with a quite empty system. But if not, I'm able to run it
right at this moment! And therefore I don't care about a FEW percent of
lost power.

>anyway).  All the stuff that the Amiga has is unnecessary for running 
>productivity apps, because all you really need for those is CPU horsepower 
>and halfway decent, non-coprocessed, framebuffer-type graphics.  The PC's 

Take an 68040, set up a simple screen, and you have a) the CPU horse
power, b) a framebuffer-type graphics, which is by the way draggable :)

>	_jon

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.041029.9962@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
(Martin Black) writes:

>>In fact, in the January issue, you'd have a hard time coming up with anything
>>that didn't fit into the above categories. Unfortunately, most of us feel
>>the same way you do.

>But then again we don't have to worry about the workbench too much.
>Because we have the apps open their private screens.  
>Myself I really don't really interact on the wb more than to open shells
>and start apps.  All else works in the csh shell and private screens.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. For most things, public screens
are generally preferable to private screens, especially when juggling
between multiple applications. Do you prefer the operation of something
like Pro Page as opposed to Pagestream?

Since 2.0 was released, my impression of Workbench has changed entirely.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31730 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18799
From: cg18ffl@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Spumoni...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:31:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BzFJ12.597@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Well, 8M of RAM by itself costs about as much as an Amiga that can multitask
>>games while downloading. I used to play "Tracers" while downloading on my
>>512K Amiga 1000.
>
>Show me an Amiga for $370.00 US new.

	I'll do better than that. I'll show you a 1 meg 500 for $299 that the
local dealer is selling. The 500 is somewhat of a wimpy (although perfectly
useable) machine. For what you get, it's a reasonably good deal.
	If you wanna get dangerous, the 600 goes for $399. It's still wimpy,
but it has more chip ram and you can pick the thing up in one hand and wave it
around violently with little to no effort at all. (I should know, I tried it
at the Pasadena WOC. The Commodore rep wasn't impressed.)

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:16:28 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <Bz499s.3FI@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   The same management that gave us an Amiga 4000 with an IDE interface?

Yes.  R&D dollars wise, they probably didn't spend much more--the IDE
interface was already done, and the work that they would have put into
a SCSI-II interface is on a Zorro-III card now, where it can do more
good to the Amiga community.

After all, I'm sure there are people out there using a 3000 with 7
drives mounted over their internal SCSI system.  I'm also sure there
are some high-end people out there that would scrape their last dollar
for a nice high-speed RAID system for their graphics work.

Greg

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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:07:06 GMT

In article <71527@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>the comment that stuck with me was when he said, in reference
>to the "multimedia" nature of this recent COMDEX, "Five years ago
>Commodore OWNED the multimedia market."


Geese there is paranoia running rampant in this group.  I've always thought
those guys on Computer Chronicles liked the Amiga and seem to go out of
there way to make favorable mention of it.

I'll bet the comment referred to the fact that Commodore is leading the
damn way and the other folks are just now waking up.  I can remember when
IBM said you didn't need color or gfx for computers because all the "real"
applications were text based. 


                                    NCW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:03:25 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <BzFFFz.1uG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>At any rate the zorro III absolutely kills all pc busses out there for the pc.
>>I haven't looked into those sbuses and stuff on workstations.
>
>Yeah, right.  I can GUARANTEE you that the PC will have a 64 bit bus
>before the Amiga, no question.
>
>Hear me now, believe me later.  There will be 64 bit bus PCs before
>the end of 1993.

>The PC will move COMPLETELY to VESA before all Amiga users move to AGA.
>The Amiga sells a notoriously high percentage of low end (A600)
>machines, and Amiga users hold on to their machines for a long, long
>time.

I think you may want to be careful using absolutes in your sentences. As long
as there are 8088 machines around (read forever), they will be used by someone.
This renders your above sentence invalid since the PC will NEVER (to use your
strategy) COMPLETELY move to anything.....just as the Amiga will NEVER
completely move to AGA.  It just won't happen unless there is some sci-fi like
global ban on use of 386's (and down) and non-AGA machines.


Jim

>
>
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    OS/2 vs Win NT
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:11:53 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec13.023102.18513@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <root.0377@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>>>But only if the RISC chip is Alpha or MIPS in little endian mode.
>>>Which I would imagine to be implicitly assumed at this point.
>
>>And I'll follow that up by asking why anyone would want a $7000+ Amiga?
>
>Perhaps as a low-end alternative to other machines in the same class.
>For that matter, whose to say that it would cost $7000? 

That's what the very bottom of the DEC Alpha line costs without software.

And that machine may not be released until 1994.

>>>>Why would someone want a server OS for MSDOS Windows 3.x on their Amiga?
>>>At the moment, this is highly subjective. In retrospect, it may prove to be
>>>a significant offering.
>
>>A server is a system that sits in the corner and grinds away.
>
>I have a hard time believing that this is all NT will amount to.

And I have a hard time believing that Windows 3.1 users will pay $500
for Windows 3.1 NT so that they can slow their system down.

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