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From: jacob@max.cc.brandeis.edu ( )
Subject: on an article in Mac World [?]
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Brandeis University Math Department
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:25:41 GMT

has anyone noticed in macworld from between last may to july,
an article about a new type of memory (optical, non-volatile,
incredible density, etc.) that will potentially revolutionize,
nay nuke, storage technology...

if you have could you please send me the exact date of the issue
and briefly what the article said exactly, as i have the feeling
someone is trying to pull my leg round here.

if you happened to have gotten similar news from other sources
please let me know also.

please respond via email as i don't read this group.

thanks.
From: chazl@county.lmt.mn.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: bad floppies
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:10:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LaserMaster Corp.

A submission to Info-Mac Digest [BAD INIT] brought up something that has always
puzzled me.

The BAD INIT, for those who may be unfamiliar with it, allows you to reformat
disks that are rejected as bad by System 6.x; it marks out the bad sectors and
allows the disk to be used [just like System 7.0 does on its own], albeit with
a reduced capacity.

Now, the puzzling thing.  Why would anyone use this?  Every floppy disk I have
ever purchased has come with a lifetime warranty.  If one fails, I drop it into
the bad disk box and every few months divvy them up by vendor and mail them
back for replacements.  Some vendors even pay for the postage.  I can't imagine
why anyone would throw away or try to salvage a disk that fails to format
either out of the box or years later, given that it will be cheerfully replaced
by its manufacturer.

Comments?

chaz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff)
Subject: Re: CLIs that teach; GUIs that don't
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:48:54 GMT

In article <516@curry.UUCP>, bebb@ukfca1 (Malcolm Bebb) wrote:
> 
> 
>  jem@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) writes:
> 
> > I use both a Macintosh and Unix systems frequently,
> >and frankly, I favor an editor-based CLI (like the Korn shell) over
> >the Mac interface for nearly everything I do.  Simple features like a
> >command history and command-line editing are enormously helpful.
> 
........
> 
> >If a GUI actually encouraged users to learn something about the 
> >architecture of the system they were using, I would be all for it.
> 
> I don't subscribe to the view that you have to understand the inner workings
> of anything before you can be allowed to use it.  I don't want a user
> interface which "encourages" me to learn about the architecture.  When I use
> a spreadsheet, I want to do some sums, not learn about the architecture of
> the machine I happen to be using.  Similarly, when I use a word processor
> I want to write some text, and when I'm in the finder I want to find files,
> or whatever.

YES! Exactly right!! Far too often we computer weenies forget the simple
fact that the HUGE majority of computer users DO NOT WANT to 'learn about
system architecture' or the like. They only want to do their jobs. The fact
that it happens to be done on a computer is almost irrelevant. To them, the
computer is a tool, not a toy or a 'learning experience'. 


> If the interface "encourages" or constrains me to do *ANYTHING* other than
> my chosen task, it is coming between me and my reason for using the system.
> If I have to learn CLI instructions (even on a multiple-choice basis!),
> that is extra work - I don't need it.  The interface should be transparent.
> 

Which was exactly the breakthru that the Mac made for me. I had been using
various computers for about 10 years before the Mac. But after using the
Mac for a while, I found that the computer 'dissapeared', and I totally
forgot about typing commands, etc. I had forgotten the computer and was
thinking only of my work. The interface was transparent. I had never had
this experience before the Mac.

Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
From: Harry_Noel@wtgdir.UUCP (Harry Noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:08:36 GMT
Organization: MCCS
Reply-To: grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <dbU703SF46wC00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> (comp.sys.mac.misc), jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
> Ok, now let's try to draw a map on a Newton.  Here, I'll sketch a quick
> outline of the United States and . . . hey, this stupid thing thought I
> was trying to draw a rectangle!  Now instead of a scribbled outline of
> the country, I've got this nicely perfect -- and perfectly useless --
> rectangle.
>  
> Seriously, I don't remember reading in any of the reviews of this thing
> whether the user can turn off the "helpful" feature that makes it turn
> your rough drawings into perfect shapes.  Sometimes you want your scribbles
> to remain scribbles.
> 

The review in Mac User clearly states that the opion can be turned
OFF.  And the Netwon will use exactly what you draw.

Next concern.........


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Harry Noel  -   grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
             or grace\!wtdir\!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
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"Murpy's Law is Recursive.
 Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work."
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:05:47 GMT

In article <BrspC0.MwE@DMI.USherb.CA>, martin@DMI.USherb.CA (Jean-francois Martin) writes:
> 
> Finally, the fact that Newton is made for a vertical market...

Does that mean that you can use it only when standing up?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: TrueType fonts from Win3.1
Summary: How to convert them?    
Keywords: fonts, truetype, windows
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:36:22 EDT

Is there a way to take TrueType fonts for Windows 3.1 and
change them (with something like ResEdit) so they can be used
on a Mac?
Thanks,
Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: SLIP for Mac
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:20:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <DRAND.92Jul22111854@spinner.osf.org>, drand@spinner.osf.org
(Douglas Rand) wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a SLIP implementation that works with Mac TCP?  Now for the
> second part,  is there a free or shareware implementation?

yes to the first one. (Check comp.sys.mac.comm)

Maybe on the second one. The only freeware application that has SLIP built
in into it is NCSA Telnet. This only allows you to use the Telnet and FTP
client that is built into this app
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi)
Subject: Fax # or Internet address of Pixel Resources wanted 
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:25:10 GMT

Hi,

the subject says it all: I can't get the fax # from Pixel Resources, the
makers of Pixel Paint and Pixel Paint Pro.

Even an AppleLink or a Compu$erve address would be fine.

Thanks a lot,

  Gary


    Gary T. Czychi          University of St.Gallen

       czychi@alpha.unisg.ch (preferred host)
         czychi at csghsg52   (=bitnet)
           czychi@bernina.ethz.ch
             Switzerland
              -

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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Neat ResEdit 2.1.1 'Feature'
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:23:16 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul29.135547.4216@midway.uchicago.edu>, ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl) writes:
> 	While working with ResEdit the other day, my klutzy fingers discovered
> an neat feature.  To see it, select the Open... item from the File menu.  Then
> select a file in the standard file dialog.  Now, hold down the option key
> while clicking the Open button.
>
>         ResEdit will open a window displaying the status of its check of the
> file's resource fork.  Yet another undocumented feature in a Apple product.

It also works if you hold down the option key while making a selection from
your "Open Special" menu--I just checked!

I also have the "Verify files when they are opened" option checked in my
preferences. A while ago I discovered what happens when you click the "Cancel"
button in the verification-in-progress dialog. Cute...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
I don't claim to be consistent. Yes I do!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: FAX modem for PB 100??
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:26:58 GMT

Is there a better, faster, fax modem available for the PB 100?  2400 baud is  
just too slow, I'd like a V.32/V.42 modem.  Does anyone know of any vendors  
that do better than the Apple offering?

Jim De Arras
From: maynard@tamar.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: CLIs that teach; GUIs that don't
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:26:33 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center

ecause a cryptic incantation
>can be both concise and powerful. For example:
>     bc@apple% ps -aux | grep "IW" | wc
>	  102    1138    6339
>You can easily see that this invocation is "effortless" -- you don't
>have to write any code, or manually compute the answer.

This is a lovely little example. On our SPARCs we all became accustomed to
using ps -aux. Seems natural, right? Then we obtained a whole bunch of
RS6000s we quickly learned that ps -aux fails- silently. The - (and
everything after it) is ignored. You are supposed to type ps aux. 

I think this essentially proves the  point of view of many Mac people
(including myself). That if you must have a CLI, at least get the thing
right, which means, among other things, consistency. I have yet to see an
example of a CLI that I do think gets it right.
(And yeah, yeah, I know this is not a problem in the shell but in the way
ps parses its vargargs[]. We are talking about the CLI gestalt here.)

Maynard Handley
From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: * Mcvert REALLY acting strange
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:41:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

For almost two years I've been using mcvert. This time, though there
have been a LOT of strange problems with it. Watch this:

-=> mcvert -V msword-50a-updater.hqx
entering new_in_hqx_file ...
... opened msword-50a-updater.hqx
Converting     WordPatcher.sit                type = "APPL", author =
"aust"
        data_len=-230227968             trsrc_len=  72876032
hqx_to_bin_fork: fwrite on binfile wrote -230227968 bytes too few

last perror (may not be relevent): Error 0
mcvert: exiting

Ack! I wound up with a 128 byte file from this! Version 1.65 RAN fine
before and after NJIT updated their OS. Mcvert 1.70 and 1.80 didn't work
at all, so I recompiled 1.65...and it didn't work either! Apparantly,
it's some kind of incompatability with the ULTRIX version that we're
using. For those who care:

ULTRIX V4.2A (Rev. 47) (hertz.njit.edu)

If anyone can tell me of another UNIX-based .hqx converter, please let
me know!

=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
= WHAT is your name?............................Captain Jean-Luc Picard=
= WHAT is your quest?.............................I seek the Holy Grail=
= WHAT is the average velocity of a Bird of Prey?...Romulan or Klingon?=
=                        I.....I don't know AAAAAHHHHH!                =
========================== meg5184@hertz.njit.edu ======================
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From: mccoy@cayman.com (Michael McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Looking for funky French characters...
Keywords: fonts, french
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: mccoy@cayman.com (Michael McCoy)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: cayman.com

sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai) writes:

#Key                      Output
#-------------------------------------
#<Opt>`-e                 Grave e
#<Opt>e-e                 Acute e
#<Opt>c                   Circumflex c

Actually c w/ cedilla; <Opt>i-c gives circumflex

#<Opt>u-i                 Umlaut-i

Appendix A in the MacIntosh Reference explains how to get the complete 
set of accented characters. The key sequences listed above work for any 
letter, not just "e" or "c". The one accent not listed above (tilde) can be 
generated by typing <Opt>n-(letter).

================================================
Michael McCoy                 You are not here to verify,            
Cayman Systems              Instruct yourself or inform curiousity
26 Landsdowne Street      Or carry report. You are here to kneel
Cambridge, MA  02139    Where prayer has been valid.
=====================================
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: CLIs that teach; GUIs that don't
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul29.163919.18461
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes:

>really cryptic ones, and everbody hates VMS-style error messages,
>except for the fact that they tend to actually explain the problem,

%%DONT-HATE-VMS-ERROR-MESSAGES-I "I Don't hate VMS Error Messages"


Sure, they're long, but they're strong, and they're bound to get the
message on.


Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: CONFUSION?  IICI OR IISI PRICES?
From: cse0735@desire.wright.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:03:02 EST
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Jul28.220129.9668@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes:
> dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
> |Hello net.  I'm very confused, and would appreciate some input concerning
> |upcoming Apple Educational Discount prices.  I've heard rumors that come
> |August 1st, the IIci 5/80 will be selling for $1500, student price!  Is
> 
> What I've been told from my local apple dealer is that the IIsi
> 5/80 will be $1500.  I don't think the ci is being offered at any
> reduced price for this sale.
> 
I just heard that a Mac LC II 4/40 will be dropping to $997 and the Classic II
will be about $100 lower than thant. Anyone lese able to verify this?will be
dropping aboutopping about $100 below that. Can anyone else verify this?
From: hobbit@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:27:28 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> [stuff deleted]
I think, perhaps, you could have afforded to trim forty or fifty lines 
more.

> I've been using System 7 with tuneup 1.1.1 for about 6 months now, and I've
> had to reinstall system 7 and/or rebuild the desktop file an average of
> twice a month.  With 75MB of stuff on my hard drive, this has been the
> biggest waste of my time.  If time is money, saying that the mac saves
> money this way is not totally true.

Huh?  This has not been my experience. I ran system 6 for 3 years
without once having significant problems. (or for that matter, without
rebuilding my desktop--out of ignorance.)  I've been running system 7
for two months now, without trouble.  Admittedly, I had some problem
in the transition, with having my UltraDrive 45 get sick and need
reformatting, but I've had no problems at all with day-to-day stability.
 
I'm curious. Do you have any idea why you get such frequent problems?

I'm also curious why you lump reinstalling your system in with a
simple maintenance task like rebuilding your desktop, and why your
disk having 75MB of files has anything to do with it.  (Are you saying
'rebuild desktop' when you mean 'reformat drive'?)  Otherwise, that
sentence reads something like 'Yeah I've had my car for six months now,
and I've been having problems. I've had have it into the mechanic and/or
refill gas an average of twice a month.'
 
   c.r.
 
--
Free to roam the heavens in Man's noble quest to investigate the
weirdness of the universe!      -- Spaceman Spiff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: hyu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Hongwei Yu)
Subject: Powerbook 145
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:10:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: Powerbook 145

I was wondering if anyone could summarize the report on Powerbook
145 for those of us who don't have any access to the MacWeek
(27/07/92).  What are those new features on this laptop? Thanks
-- 
Hongwei Yu                      Internet: hyu@acs.ucalgary.ca
Dept of Biological Sciences     Phone:   (403) 220-3810
Univ of Calgary                 Fax:     (403) 282-4839
Organization: Valencia University (Universitat de Valencia)   SPAIN
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 15:55:36 EST
From: JUAN JOSE BORRAS ALMENAR <BORRASJ@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: asking about the Magic RailGun 030 Pro

Dear netters,

In the last issues of MacUser or MacWorld I have seen a very interesting offer

of a 68030 accelerator for the Mac SE, classic or Plus that includes a 25 MHz 6
8030 processor with the PMMU and FPU units and a two page monitor. All for only
999$. Have anyone of you any experience in this product working into a SE?. Wha
t is the quality of the monitor offered?.

          Thank you in advance for your answer. I will sumarize them to the net

================================================================
Juanjo Borras Almenar                BITNET:BORRASJ@EVALUN11
Dep. Inorganic Chemistry             INTERNET:BORRASJ@VM.CI.UV.ES
University of Valencia (SPAIN)       TEL:34-6-3864330
================================================================
From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:44:33 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic of Central London

In article <4dRs03le46tO00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>
>} In the August '92 Macworld (U.S./Canada) Quick Tips, there is a
>}rather in depth advice on what kind of marbles you can buy to
>}replace that light little trackball. You need the smoothest 25 mm
>}marble you can find. I am going to try out this suggestion to
>}find a heavier ball for an Appoint Mouse pen I own. 
>
>I heard this too.  I spent hours carefully looking at marbles in three
>different stores, and I still couldn't find one that was really perfectly

Did you get any funny looks? Anyone ask you if you'd lost your _____ ...?


Marcus Harvey, Polytechnic of Central London IRS
marcus@uk.ac.pcl.sun - JANET  marcus%sun.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN

                                                          ...Bubble Up!
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:06:08 GMT
Followup-To: fa11.bitnet>

Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <92205.170150ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>, ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
> In article <5805.2a6d64c8@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) says:
>>You mean five times faster for some reasonably contrived example. WHO CARES??!
> 
> I DO !

Perhaps you have an application that makes speed matter. There are applications
where speed matters. However, I believe you entirely missed my point. See
following...:

>>What is the senseless obsession with speed? Why are MIPS more important
>>than usability? Do you buy a car by looking under the hood for a 600 HP
>>engine? Sheesh!
>>
> We have a simulation program here at work that typically runs for about 2h
> for one simulation on a 33MHz 486. I don`t want to try it on a IIsi.

You never know. It might do quite well on a IIsi. Perhaps there's a better
simulation program available for the Mac.

Maybe what you are doing is too computationally involved for a desktop
computer. Maybe what you really need is a Cray or perhaps just a few
Transputers.

>>If, tommorrow, I dropped on your desk an infinitely fast DOS machine, you'd
>>perhaps be 5% more productive with it. If that.
> 
> There are other simulation runs that would take about 2 years to complete.
> If youve have that infinitely fast DOS machine we wouldn`t need our CRAY.

My point is that the overwhelming majority of personal computer users don't
need speed. They think they want it. It is like the 600 HP engine in a
car. It is relatively easy to measure speed, so people want more, thinking
it will make them able to do more. Actually, speed has little relevance
to the utility of a personal computer.

Obviously, for certain types of numerical computations on a mass scale,
you need speed. NOAA would want a dozen of my hypothetical infinitely
fast computers. My contention is that the majority of personal computer
users DO NOT fall into this category.

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: Re: MaxAppleZoom or the like for 12"
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 09:58:07 EDT

sparky@polari.online.com writes:

> I know this is a long shot, but...is there anything like MaxAppleZoom that
> will "expand" the screen of a 12" monitor running on an LC?
> 
> (I know, I know.  Buy a new monitor.)
> 


---
The opinions I express are rarely my own, becuase my own are far too 
outragous to post here.

IntNet:zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com    FutureNet: #33@#10
The Metropolis (614)-846-1911
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From: Harry_Noel@wtgdir.UUCP (Harry Noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:51:51 GMT
Organization: MCCS
Reply-To: grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


> But of course, that's just local policy.  Other sites may differ.  However:
> 
> >                       The point is obviously "many people at various sites
> > can't get alt groups," which is clearly true.
> 
> Not really.  If you ask around hard enough, it's possible to find someone
> who's willing to mail you alt groups.  Unless your system administrator
> restricts your mail access or screens your incoming mail, it's always
> possible to get any alt group.
> 
> 
> mathew
> -- 

If the Newton group is setup as an alt.whatever, would you be kind
enough to forward it to me?  I just asked the admin here and he says
that we cannot receive any alt groups.

Thank you

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Harry Noel  -   grace!wtgdir!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
             or grace\!wtdir\!Harry_Noel@moscom.com
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"Murpy's Law is Recursive.
 Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work."
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