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From: Nancy.Petersen@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Petersen)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel8
Subject: Intro, pt. 1
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 07:17:39 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

From Terry Anderson
Univ. of Calgary
Intro, Pt. 1                The Bangkok Project
                            October 3, 1992
 
The Bangkok Project is a world-wide, distributed, electronic symposium
focused on issues of importance to distance educators. The project
coincides with the XVI World Conference of the International
Association for Distance Education (ICDE), which will be held in
Bangkok, Thailand from Nov. 5 - Nov. 13, 1992. The Project is the first
electronic "conversation" designed to be distributed across all
the major electronic forums and networks which distance educators 
frequent.
 
The project is designed so that both delegates to the Congress and
others who are interested in distance education, but who cannot
attend the Congress, will be able to participate.
Participants can access the project discussions via
a variety of local, national and international networks.
 
The Bangkok Project will consist of six topic/discussions (see
attached list), each lasting from 2-6 weeks. Each
discussion will open with a presentation of the major issues
by an internationally known "First Speaker."  A volunteer "host"
will provide moderator functions for each topic as needed.
 
The symposium will be distributed, world wide, on  nearly 30 stand-
alone systems, discussion lists and networks. Many of these groups are 
special
interest or professional groups who are interested in one or more of 
the
Bangkok project topics. Other groups are located on computer systems at
Universities, commercial information utilities or bulletin board 
distribution
networks.  Each list has a volunteer porter who will filter comments, 
both from
and to the project, to insure high quality of discussion by eliminating
unnecessary comments and inappropriate traffic.
 
Discussions related to the project can happen at two levels.  Local
issues and comments relevant to a smaller subset of readers can
remain on the local and specialized discussion lists. Items of a
more general nature can be transmitted back to the main distribution
network located at the University of Calgary. These comments will
then automatically be ported to the First Speaker and the other 30
distribution lists for comment or further discussion.
 
The success of the project depends upon quality discussion, skillful
porters, and efficient electronic distribution networks. The project
will be one of the first global conversations, shared by thousands
of interested distance education students, scholars, and
practitioners.
 
There is no cost for participation, other then that for normal
access to any of the distribution networks or systems. There is no
formal registration process, other then to join one of the 40
groups which will be carrying the discussions.



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From: Nancy.Petersen@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Petersen)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel8
Subject: Opening the discussion about conferencing
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:07:14 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

BANGKOK PROJECT:
From bancmc-m@acs.ucalgary.ca Wed Oct 14 09:44:48 1992
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 8:39:01 MDT
From: RD_MASON@VAX.ACS.OPEN.AC.UK
Subject:  Opening the discussion about conferencing
 
Hello and welcome to this conference about conferencing. . .
The amount of literature on conferencing and email has grown
exponentially since I was writing my PhD a few years ago. 
However, almost all of it concerns uses and research from North
America and Britain.  Rosalie Wells, in her recent Research 
Monograph, lists a number of educational conferencing applications
originating from or involving developing countries - Project
Orillas, Star Schools Project, University of the Virgin Islands,
AUSEAnet, CRAT/ARCT in Senegal, SDN in Korea, and Sulawesi Regional
Development Project.
 
I thought it would be a very useful resource to collectively prepare
as complete a list as possible of conferencing/email applications. 
What I am hoping for is a description of these and other known examples
with a contact name and email address so that anyone who wants further
details can follow it up privately.
 
In addition to a fairly simple listing of applications, there are many
issues we can discuss involving the use of this technology in less
developed countries.
 
For example:
 - Are the problems and issues roughly the same in these applications
as those described extensively in the literature?
   (The following are some of the most common: problems of access to 
equipment, learning to use communications and conferencing software,
encouraging studentsto be active participants in discussions, handling
overload).
 - What effect do cultural differences have on conferencing behaviour
either amongst those in non-Western cultures and between Western and
non-Western cultures?
 - Is electronic networking an appropriate educational medium for
developing countries?
 
Obviously there is a grey area in defining 'developing countries'. 
And even within so-called developed countries there are areas as
poor, as remote and as disadvantaged as in developing countries. 
I know, for instance, of a conferencing application for poor Hispanics
in New York City, another for very remote students in the Highlands
and Islands of Scotland.  Let us not get embroiled in arguments over
what fits into the category and what doesn't - a working distinction
might be:
any use of conferencing or email which has all or a significant
proportion of its students NOT in mainstream educational institutions
in  relatively well-off locations.
 
I have no expertise in this aspect of electronic communication. 
What I have is an interest in investigating how universal a medium 
this is.  I hope we can examine some of the issues together.
 
Robin Mason



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From: Nancy.Petersen@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Petersen)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel8
Subject: Etiquette, pt. 1
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 07:26:16 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Etiquette, pt. 1
Copied from AREA:INET.ICDECC-M
From: anderson@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terry Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:10:27 GMT
Newsgroups: mlist.icdecc-m
 
Bangkok Project - Etiquette Corner!
=================================================
Welcome to Etiquette corner! 
 
The first three topics in the Bangkok Project will be commencing
on Oct. 12.  I'd like to welcome you to the conferences and invite you 
to be
ACTIVE particpants. 
 
The following guidelines were submitted by Angela Castro
from a list made a few years ago by
members of AOLIN (Australian Open Learning Information Network),
and amended by suggestions from others.  The guidelines are
posted here to help participants in the Bangkok Project make the
most effective use of this media.  
 
Most of the Bangkok Project messages are being "ported" to at
least 30 separate discussions lists, networks and stand alone
conferencing systems. None of us have any experience dealing with
such a large, and very loosely distributed communications forum -
thus the guidelines are intended to help us communicate
effectively. 
 
 
1.       Length of message
Brevity  is a definite virtue. Try to restrict a message, if
possible, to a screen; two screen pages are still tolerable.
Brevity is recommended if only for the two following reasons
alone (there are many others ):
a.    Reading long text on the screen can be tiresome for both
          the eye and mind;
b.    Some recipients might have a local disk quota restriction
          or a less- than-well-endowed system to enable them to
          cope with lengthy and copious messages.  If you have a
          long message which is certain to exceed two screen
          pages, break it up into a few short messages and denote
          its structure and sequence through the subject line.



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From: Nancy.Petersen@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Petersen)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel8
Subject: Etiquette, pt. 3
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 07:28:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Etiquette, pt. 3:
Unless people have sophisticated search programs to help them
retrieve and select messages of interest to them, their
processing decision might have to rely entirely on the subject
line. So be considerate and word it sensibly.
 
8.       Wit and humor
A small and occasional dose of wit and humor does wonders for a
stuffy conference that is beginning to take itself too seriously
and can also break the ice for a conference with a hesitant
start.  Too much clowning around and too many flippant jokes or
remarks, however, can be irritating and offensive to most people.
 
9.       Spontaneous or considered response
While much can be said in praise of spontaneity, if you are
dealing with a sensitive or controversial topic, it would be
better if you could give yourself a little more time to reflect
on the arguments and counter arguments, then compose a considered
response that you will not regret or feel embarrassed afterwards.
Remember that electronic documents travel fast, get reproduced
easily and they live long in people's files!
 
10.      Etiquette and protocols
a. Don't grab centre stage all the time, let others have a turn
     during a conference.
b. Acknowledge and thank people for their comments on your views.
     (Should do that privately rather than publicly.)
c. Avoid digressing in a conference unless the software
     allows branching off into a sub-conference, otherwise
     you could cause the whole conference to stray from its
     original theme.
 
11. Identification
Identify yourself and the Topic area that you are responding too.
Some distribution lists will be carrying up to three Bangkok
Project topics at the same time. A relevant Subject heading, will
help keep these topics separated.
-- 
Terry Anderson, Bangkok Project Network Coordinator
Dept. of Educational Psychology             Ph 403-284-0922
University of Calgary                       Fax 403-289-4471    
Calgary, AB. Canada T2N 1N4     Internet ANDERSON@ACS.UCALGARY.CA



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From: Nancy.Petersen@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Petersen)
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Subject: Mason abstract
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 07:28:57 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Copied from AREA:INET.ICDECC-M
From: anderson@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terry Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:22:51 GMT
Newsgroups: mlist.icdecc-m
 
Bangkok Project - Application of Electronic Communication for Distance 
       
         Education in the Third World Topic
 
First Speaker -    Dr. Robin Mason
                   Open University of the United Kingdom
 
Dates: Oct. 12 - Nov. 30
 
Abstract:
This topic is intended to be a listing in addition to a discussion,
and depends fundamentally on the contributions of those involved in 
third world networking projects.
 
What I hope to produce at the end of the period (and this topic runs
the whole length of the project), is as complete a dossier as possible
of all known uses of email, computer conferencing or other remote 
access
to support distance education in third world countries.  Some examples
will include links with developed countries, but it is the use made by 
the
developing countries which we wish to highlight.
 
I trust that such a list (including a brief description of the
networking application and a contact person for further information)
and the ensuing discussion, will be of interest  to the distance 
education
community generally.
 
Robin Mason
Open University of the United Kingdom



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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel8
Subject: Etiquette, pt. 2
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:28:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

NP>3.       Spacing

NP>Neat, meaningful spacing can ease mental processing. For

NP>examples:

But not double spacing, please!  It drives me nuts, not being able to
scan a decent grab of words.  I suspect that this is a function of the
way you prepared your text on a word processor in advance, and that you
inserted both soft and hard returns.

BTW, please forgive the tagline -- I have a policy of letting them roll,
but this is actually the second line of one of our national ditties, of
which the first line runs, as you can read in a message to Carol
Cunningham:
"This here is the wattle, the symbol of our land . . .
                                peter

 # BGQWK 1.0#36 #34



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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: R-Net !
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:35:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Ian

Many thanks for your answer to my question in regard to R-Net. Very
instructive.

Tell me, will/does R-Net cost the users anything? What services does it
offer?

Do High Schools in the UK have access to the Internet? Only the
Universities have access to the Internet. Unless you count paying for
private access.

ooroo


 * SLMR 2.1a * Coral Sea Views, Wulguru, Townsville, Australia


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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Ozone Layer
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:45:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY

RB>Jack- thank you for your message and query. Thank you also for
your stimulus RB>in setting up K-12. What does K-12 mean? It is an
unfamiliar symbol in this RB>part of the world.

Hi there!

K-12 refers to Kindergarten thru 12th grade. Our intention is to
generally include all primary, elementary and secondary education
for kids in ages (roughly) 6 thru 18 or so.

RB>The ozone layer is, unfortunately gettying larger. At present it
is twice the RB>size of Antarctica(i.e.2x13 million sq.km) and
growing. We encourage the RB>children to wear hats and long sleeved
shirts in the summer and our RB>television weather forecasts include
the 'burn time' in each area. The Health RB>Department provides free
skin checks regularly and schools include knowledge RB>of problems
caused by excessive exposure to the sun in Health lessons.

RB>We were heartened to read of the decision to ban all nuclear
tests from 1996 RB>but wonder why you have to wait that long- we
know it works. RB>Kia Ora

<sigh> I wish we (humans) were more sensible about our house (the
Earth). It would seem that beneath our thin veneer of "civilization"
lurks the most uncivilized of all animals.... Would you agree?

=jack=

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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Computers
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 15:31:58 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Linda,

Just got back from New Zealand. Too cold for me! lousy weather. It was
so cold that I didn't get a chance to see if the population all have
webbed feet or not!

LK>Hello, John!  Thanks for your messages and help. I'll let
LK>my principal read it just so he knows he's internationally
LK>famous -:).  I'll get the address for you, but the....
          ^^^^
Funny shaped head your Principal has....

ooroo

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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: LEARNERS
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:18:10 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Kevin...:)  I guess the fact that I finished my degree by taking night 
courses over a period of many years put me in a learning mode.  The fact that 
computers could do so many things quicker and better pronmpted me to try them 
out.  I bought a TI99 cheap just to find out if I would like it and I was 
hooked.  A friend, one of my pupils fathers introduced me to 
telecommunications  and I was even further addicted.  Then I decided that my 
students should have an opportunity to learn about this fascination I had and 
that lead to all sorts of ideas to integrate computers in my class and 
finally I began an exchange with John Chisholm between our classes, just mail 
and then the further possibilities opened.  When I had a chance to join the 
pilot here on Newbed, and talk without cost I thought I was in heaven.  Now 
ther are so many things I would like to do and take part in that I have to 
limit the choices.  Ken Smith and I do an exchange of mail and an on-going 
story which is still as interesting  now after two years as it was when we 
started.  I guess I can't stress enough the necessity of the person you are 
exchanging with being as committed as you are.  Without that you might just 
as well forget it.  I guess in the end, it just because I am interested, I 
want to know how things work, whether it is computers, my local government, 
the union whatever.  The other thing is that I am willing to share and that 
in itself leads to more and more avenues and learning.  Carol

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From: Jeff.Harrits@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (Jeff Harrits)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Music in taiwan
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:41:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

Hello and thanks for the message.  I'm curious to know who it was you met with exactly.  I don't know if any of the teachers from our school were at the conference although I'm sure they would have liked to have been.

I can't say I'm musically inclined although I do wish I knew more about MIDI and computers.

I know what you mean about "serious" music development here.  Our elementary students have a program that devotes nearly as much time to music as the core curriculum subjects.

There are several high school students that I know are considering music as a profession and I'll talk to them and try to get them to send off some questions or thoughts to you.

Cheers...Jeff



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From: Roger.Buck@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Roger Buck)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: northern star
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 10:59:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

G'day Cindy,

# She:Kon Kwe Kwe
#      Nia:Wen for your words of praise.They bring a blush to the cheek but
# warmth to the heart.
##[CC=>RB]

By the looks of things, it looks like you know how to do a bit of work on
the heart - lucky you are far away <GRIN>.

Roger.

##MMR 2.41#.  !link CC 10-08-92 17:32 



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From: Donna.Ransdell@f1311.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Ransdell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:18:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1311 - The Education Stati, Poway CA

 > careful when we label kids!  Oh, and the Feingold diet
 > and other diets have no effect on behavior, just as
 > caffeine has no effect.  Since these behaviors originate in the brain,
 > sugar, caffeine, etc. does nothing to control or provoke
 > them-- that's why the drugs work!!

Are you speaking of long-term behavior or short-term behavior? If you are speaking of short-term behavior, I'd like to really debate this issue.

My daughter was in the doctor's office for her 4 year old checkup. Her ped. at the time was a man very well trained in the diagnosing and treatment of ADHD. He observed her then and asked me a lot of questions about her daily life, and told me that she should be tested for ADHD when she is 6 or 7 (especially given her history; my husband is ADHD). But in the meantime, he suggested looking at the Feingold diet and trying it..."adding sugar to the list of known irritants".

We got a copy of the book and tried it, figuring "it couldn't hurt". I am very much pro-diet as the cause and cures for problems we have. We put her through the elimination thing...and found that sugar and red food coloring were her irritants. Within 15 minutes of consuming either, Jennifer becomes virtually uncontrollable. She is loud, boisterous, bounces all over the place. It gets worse as more and more sugar gets into her: it does build up!

She is now 6 1/2 and still has the same problem. As long as she is off of sugar and red things, she is fine. If she has something sugary at school, she comes home with a behavior note of some type (name on board, card pulled, or whatever the teacher is using) saying she was wild and uncontrollable. As a result it is on her record that she is not to have sugar or red things at school, and most teachers are very cooperative.

I will defend Feingold to the death, in our case. I know that it does not work for every child. But it does for us.

BTW...FIDOnet has an echo just for ADHD sufferers and their parents. Its tagname is ADHD.


                                    -donna


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From: Cindy.Cole@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Cole)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: northern star
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 17:32:34 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

She:Kon Kwe Kwe
     Nia:Wen for your words of praise.They bring a blush to the cheek but warmth to the heart.  
                                    Sken:nen


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From: sjouw@sac_1.ru.ac.za (WAYNE JOUBERT)
Subject: Environmental projects
Keywords: conservation, water, 
Organization: St Andrew's College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:26:36 GMT

I am a biology teacher at St.Andrew's College, Grahamstown, South Africa. My 
extra-mural involvment in the school includes among other things, running 
the environmental society. We are always trying to find out more information 
on enironemntal projects, preferably those that are beneficial to the 
community.
From: Connie.Mark@f6.n345.z1.fidonet.org (Connie Mark)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Wetlands Of The World
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:43:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:345/6 - Leeward School Dist, Honolulu HI

To all everywhere, I am a teacher in Pearl City Hawaii on the island of Oahu. I have a 6th grade teacher who is doing a project on the wetlands of Hawaii and she would like information of other wetland areas of the world and the environmental problems or conservation problems that are affecting these areas in the world. Please respond with your thoughts. My email address is....consmark@hicalls.linknet.com.....an internet address.
Thank You for any help provided!!! We will also exchange ideas of what we have discovered about the wetlands in Hawaii. Connie.......consmark@hicalls.linknet.com....


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