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From: cjh@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Carol J. Hughes)
Subject: FAQ
Originator: cjh@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:14:25 GMT

Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?  If so, where is it?

Joan
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology Discussion Topic No. 3
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:56:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
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In article <1992Oct12.150924.2731@u.washington.edu>,
mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) wrote:
> 
> Have any of you run charts for your pets?  Sounds funny but I have found
> that they exhibit many of the qualities in their charts.  

We inherited a cat from our daughter in Boston, MA.  She was feeling lonely
one day and went to the animal shelter and brought home a rather ugly
duckling black kitten with tufts of sort of angora brown hair.  The kitten
was about 6 wks old so we backtracked and did a chart for him based on the
approx.  Turns out he is an Aries cat and has many of those qualities.  No
moon available however.  This cat (his name is Betty; yes, Betty) is VERY
independent and impatient.  Wants to be close to one of us only if he is
not feeling well.  He seems to get quick flashes of fever and will sit
close (not on anyone's lap) and his ears will be hot.  The next day he is
usually fine.  Oh yes, we got the cat right after his nuetering surgery as
her roommates were allergic to the cat.  He has since turned out to be a
very regal prince.  Prince Betty, if you will!
Regards, Carol
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Mars
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:24:08 GMT

Mars is a planet that makes itself felt in any sign it is in because it
describes a vital part of our movement but when it gets tied to other planets
the whole perspective is alot different than a simple matter than just mars 
in Cancer or in Aries and if a planet such as uranus or pluto connects with it
it certainly doesn't matter which sign it is in to be a real pain.  Cannot
divide the integration of planets in dissection of characteristics.  We all 
learn about our own Mars and see it with our own integrated perspective and
it is difficult to be objective about position when it a in a primary tug-0-
war with alot of other strong influenceing factors.  Mars in Aries is quick
and impulsive but also actively healthy.  Mars in Cancer is moody and sensative
but actively shows their caring feelings with appreciated results.

I have Mars conj Venus in Aries cross conj Moon in Taurus.  Believe me it is NOTa simple Aries Mars I deal with.  My Cancer rising feels twice where Mars rushesto tread.

David B
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 9 Oct 1992 07:39:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Michael,
  God Bless you!!!
Linda :-)
From: mgrable@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Marguerite Grable)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: To Forrest Cahoon
Keywords: Pisces, Shared B-Day
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:36:42 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA


Hi Forrest!

Thanks for the reply.  I cannot respond from this account, so please
send messages to me at gmuvax.

Correction:  I was born in the afternoon (12:38 PM).  I heartily believe
I am a Pisces - everything about me and my influences would suggest I am
water.  I would still like to hear your feedback.

Thanks!  Marguerite
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From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: Re: Discussion topic 3
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:49:47 GMT

In article <12OCT199222073271@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>In article <92286.145330SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>> 
>>     My first cat was an Aries, and boy was he something!  [...]
>
>Wow, horoscopes for pets.  I mean this as a serious question: how far along
>the phyla would you say the astrological symbolism pertains?  Only mammals?
>Vertebrates?  Plants?
>

Well....  I suppose if astrology works it must work for everything.  I mean
animals, plants, buildings, cars and so on.  It is *supposed* to be a map
of the geocentric universe and should include even the smallest particle.

Xavier.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Help with Progressions and Stars
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:18:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Carol,
no you did not say more than I wished to hear.  I would love to hear 
more. I do hand calculations so that isn't a problem. And, yes, if
you can give me an address/tel. # that would be a big help.

I am not a great talker, but, I love to pick brains! Just from 
watching the postings I am learning and and really enjoying it.
When everyone gets into some teaching it is really excellant.

Thanks much,
Linda:-)
From: hasan@acs.bu.edu (Qadeer Hasan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Astrlog 2.3
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:52:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: hasan@acs.bu.edu


Could some kind soul repost the source files for this program? It will be
greatly appreciated.


-qadeer

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From: acarr@pell2l19 (Amelia Carr)
Subject: Re: Virgo Wonders
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:46:18 GMT

In article <1b9tf9INNo6v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Emilie Unkrich) writes:
> 
> Is there any romance ahead for a Virgo born August 24, 1937 at 11:30 AM  
in Clevealand Ohio?
> -- 
   My old teacher always said:  Where, how, if and with whom you find love  
is karma.  How it works out once you're involved is astrology...and throw  
in a healthy dose of free will.
Amelia
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:57:09 GMT

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:

>Yes the answer is that there are no more violence, fires, and accidents at
>the time of the full moon than at other times.  Due to legend, people tend
>to attribute these disturbances to the full moon when there is one, whereas
>when they occur at some other time, the absence of correlation is swiftly
>forgotten.

Have a look at any statistical data from a hospital or
mental ward and it will reflect this. Deaths are clearly
quantatisable and not open to opinion. Psycology textbooks
mention the statistically significant increase but can not
explain it.

Michael
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From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: MARS
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:09:13 GMT

In article <92278.154704EJAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <EJAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> Eek! Mars stationary directly over my midheaven.... I think there may be a
> teensy bit of drama ahead...

Hey, Ejah, How are you?
Take care of your emotional/professional needs. Think first than
blow it. Don't react without forethought!
Regards, Roy
From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Astrology Discussion Topics No. 1
Summary: House systems - summary
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:37:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Here's the result of the survey regarding house systems used by people:

Eric D.
-------
Said he uses Placidus

Chris L.
--------
Doesn't use a house system ; mainly uses aspects, midpoints & transits

Roy
---
Uses Placidus and Koch ; has found Placidus to be more accurate for him

Carolyn
-------
Also likes to focus on "angles, aspects and quadrant placements more than
the individual houses."

Mark
----
I use Porphry.

Hope I didn't leave anyone out.  Has anyone done a comparison of their
chart is different house systems?  I know some of you have already said
that you don't use a house system.  To those of you that do, have you
found one system to be more accurate in its placement of your planets in
houses?  For instance, in Porphry my Sun is in the 12th house and my
Saturn is in the eighth, but in Koch my Sun is in the 11th and Saturn in
the 9th house.  I've found that 12th house sun fits me better than an 11th
house interpretation.  However, that may be colored by the fact that I
have my moon, mercury and North Node in the 12th house too with Cancer
rising.  Any thoughts?

To those of you who don't rely on houses, can you tell us how you do
interpretations of charts and where you focus your attention in the
birthchart data?

Mark
  
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From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Dave's chart, but where's Dave? Oh, over there, a-bashing.
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:33:27 GMT
Organization: AUS
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <8OCT199213180604@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
> 
> 
> In addition, one of my fears about posting the chart here has materialized -
> in your minds now, everything I do is inseparable from the chart.  You call
> me a reductionist, but this time it is I who have been reduced - to silly
> little symbols. 

		First off - this is not a flame.

		Secondly - Dave, symbols are never silly. A symbol is not a reduction -
		not in the sense you use that word. And I'm not going to argue here again	
		what a symbol is and what it's not. I'm speaking of symbols that speak
		to the subconscious and the unconscious. Like water, like bread, like
		the earth, like fire, dragons, the universal mother, the snake, circles -
		the list goes on forever. Symbols speak what words CAN NEVER TELL.
		They may not speak directly to YOUR subconscious (and, no, symbols are
		not first comprehended by the conscious mind), although frankly, I think
		they do. And symbols differ by culture, by generations, by eras, but
		they are comparative. NO ONE is ever reduced by a symbol - it's the
		words that try to explain the symbols which reduce. And astrology's
		intent has never been to reduce or depersonalize - it's naked, it's
		the most personal way to show one's psyche and personality that I can
		think of. 
		
		I understand that astrology's symbols hold no meaning for you. But that
		doesn't make them invalid or silly. It only means that they represent
		nothing more to you than what you see on a printed page or hear from us 
		when we talk of your virgo stellium. But it says a helluva lot to most
		of us  - and by no means in any reductionist way. When I said that I 
		loved the possibilities of your chart, what I said was I loved the
		possibilites of YOU. DO 	YOU REALLY THINK I'M DEPERSONALIZING YOU? It
		sure as hell doesn't FEEL that way to me. Whether you live up to your
		possibilities is another thing altogether.

		We all dream in symbols, we all live among symbols every day of our lives.
		Whether you recognize them or not has nothing to do with the truth of
		their existence or their meaning. This is not something I made up, as
		you very well know.

		No, you don't have to participate in the discussion of your chart
		interpretation, but I think it's a cop out on your part when you
		use an excuse like you've been reduced to a bunch of silly symbols
		and depersonalized. Yes, I DO think it's an excuse. You have a right
		to remain silent. Inherently. Period. But can the horseshit excuses.
		I meant it when I wrote you and	told you that I didn't expect or
		require a response. But don't mutilate me or anyone else	in order 
		for you to justify to yourself your right to privacy. You have it
		already, because you're a human being. :-) No matter what Eric says. :-)
		
		love-
		Stacey

		
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From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Help with Progressions and Stars
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:41:52 GMT

In article <1b2dnbINNnbr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, 
cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette) writes:
> 
> Can someone out there give me some help with Progressions? Do
> you make up a new chart with the new birth date(day for a yer) o
> just progress the planets and cusps within the natal chart? Also
> I would like some information on Converse progressions. Doing a
> Converse has given me some insight into things I could not under-
> stand looking at my natal chart.
> 
> How are the stars used in an interpretation? I have been looking
> at the charts posted here and see that the stars have been included.
> 
> Being very rusty, I have forgotten how to progress the moon. Any
> help will be much appreciated.
> 
> Linda :-)


Linda, 

You are talking about the bread and butter of astrology. I wished i had
time to help you but I do not. Maybe someone will. What you really need is a 
good textbook. Try Marion/McEvers, The Only Way To Learn (Teach?) Astrology, 
three wonderfull volumes.

Regards,
Roy
From: lynng@hpcvcdu.cv.hp.com (Lynn Gibson)
Subject:  Re: Jupiter enters Libra tomorrow !!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:20:37 GMT

So what is this supposed to mean, Jupiter in Libra?  I am sagittarius
and think that my energies really changed, Saturday compared to
Sunday and now.  Does anyone have a larger statement beyond the
comments of scorpio???

Lynn Gibson
From: deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:25:42 GMT
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

>
>Dave
>

Reminds me of a kid with a sharp axe lookin' to cut down every ttheir worth
and get attention.  They use to call these people woodcutters but today the
word would be closer to despoiler.  Can't stop em from cutting down the trees
but a hope that someday remorse and deed would plants a few redeeming seeds.
  

"Oh Lord make my words sweet and tender
for I may have need to eat them later"

dB
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From: astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Walter D. Pullen)
Subject: Re: Problem.......
Keywords: Astrolog
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:23:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.140956.19573@eng.cam.ac.uk> kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price) writes:
>By the way, in astrolog the column 
>of figures titled "Decl" is NOT in fact declination, but rather PLANETARY 
>LATITUDE.

Well, I only had four characters in which to label that column, and
"Planetary Latitude" doesn't fit, and just "Lat." would be misleading.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Erlewine called the values declination? Just
to reiterate, in the standard -v chart, the values under that column
marked "decl." are the declination in degrees of the object in
question above or below the ecliptic (i.e. the plane of the Earth's
orbit and the Earth/Sun plane). This is the most logical value to
include there because it is the vertical component most correspondent
to zodiac sign, signs being determined by seasons as the Sun passes
along the ecliptic. Occasionally people ask about planetary latitude
positions relative to the Earth's equator; if you want these
positions, look under the zenith positions in the -L astro-graph
chart, which will give the long and lat of where on the Earth the
planet is at the zenith/ straight up.  And if you want the planet
positions relative to the local horizon, use the -Z chart, but anyway,
I digress... :)

>The problem is primarily with planets of extreme declination ( >12 degrees).
>Planets with less than 12 degrees declination are reasonably accurate.
>Around 20 degrees the error of declination is greater than 37minutes.

Fortunately, none of the planets ever exceed more than 12 degrees
declination with respect to the ecliptic; the most we have is Mercury
which can reach about 7 (except Pluto, which can reach 15 degrees).
Therefore this glitch shouldn't be too much of a problem (except for a
couple of the Asteroids which are highly inclined to the ecliptic, but
then the Asteroid positions were never 100% accurate to begin with.)

>my guess is that some of the "Neely values"
>may have been entered incorrectly in the book.  Why else would not only
>my programs, but Walter's astrolog programs all come up with the same
>values ?. 

If some of the values were entered incorrectly into the book (and
hence into astrolog) then it seems that only a few of the planets
would be slightly off in their declinations. Were they all a bit off?
If just a few were incorrect, which ones?

>2)  If anyone has figured out the correct values and wants to share them 
>we could all benefit.

Yes, I would definitely appreciate seeing any more accurate values!
And thanks to you for pointing out what is probably the most subtle
glitch/ bug in all of Astrolog!

>Rich
>rich@convergent.com

Walter
astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu
From: yumei@wam.umd.edu (yumei)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Computer Chart Inquiry
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:11:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


Hello everybody,

     I remember someone once gave a name and address of a place where one 
can get "beautiful" computer chart for about $25.  I regret not having
written it down.  Could someone with the info. email me?  Thanks.

						   Yumei

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From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: astrology and science
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:24:04 EST

 Here is a quote from an article Swiss physician Alexander Ruperti
 wrote in 1971, Kosmos.

 " Unfortunately, the scientific attitude has tended to increase the
 chaos at the psychological level, because it destroys the value of the
 individual and because the type of city and machine-controlled
 existance it has produced has also destroyed man's sense of
 particpation in the rhythm's of life and nature. Modern man tends to
 forget that science's main concern is the establishment of collective
 laws for general appication only. The environment science offers to
 man does not present him with any *human* meaning or purpose; merely
 cold, intellectual facts which are supposed to be unchangeable but
 which, from any long perspective, may easily change according to the
 rhythm of vast cosmic cycles."

 " What is the value of trying to fit astrology into the
 straight-waistcoat of scientific knowledge, when its technique and
 basic philosophy enable one to escape from the prison into which
 science has put man's mind?  Would it not be more worthwhile for us to
 build up astrology on it *own* foundations and thus present it as a
 means to *complement* the scientific emphasis and to reorient the
 consciousness and thinking of our modern civilization which has lost
 contact with its vital roots in the creative rhythms of
 life?...Science gives us knowledge, nothing more. It has nothing to say
 concerning the why of the universe, and everything dealing with the
 understanding and the significance of individual human values and goals
 is outside its domain.... astrology's gift to mankind is its capacity
 to solve and explain that which science cannot and does not attempt to
 do. We need more vision, more constructive imagination, if we would
 free ourselves from our present bondage to analytical and mathematical
 details, to statistical methods. The whole is always more than the sum
 of its parts and no collection of separate data, however complete, on
 the outward behaviour and characteristics of a person,  will ever
 reveal him as a living human being with a life purpose of his own."
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From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: Re: MARS
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.143800.337@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
>In article <BvpvxJ.42L@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>
>> >any planet in its fall to be weak and ineffectual. The problem exists in attempting
>> >to live the energy of a planet and sign that are incompatible.
>> 
>> >I have Mars in Cancer, and it IS a pain in the ass. The absolute, most important
>> >thing to learn about it is to let it be. Mars in Cancer can't make a move until
>> >it FEELS that it's OK to do so, which is totally antithetical to the nature of Mars.
>> 
>> Mars stopped by emotion.  You are just proving my point.
>> >
>> >I also do NOT believe that planets in retrograde are weak. In fact, they sometimes
>> >can become overpowering because the energy is turned INWARD and is no longer
>> >externalized. Well, the whole point of looking at a chart is to become conscious
>> 
>> Try Yoga or counselling.  The whole point of charts is to find things out.  Not

>> >Actually, you couldn't pay me to have a Mars in Aries. :-)
>> >
>> >Stacey
>> 
>> I have Mars in Libra.  Having seen Mars in Capricorn in action I will swap
>> it any day.
>> 
>> Xavier
>> 
>> 
>
>Don't agree and don't buy it. A Cancer mars is NOT stopped by emotion. It operates
>on intuition, timing, and a large safety factor. I used to believe astrology
>was supposed to teach us to "handle them and counter them" (the aspects, etc.) I 
>don't believe that anymore. It's a waste of time & energy, because you spend your 
>life fighting the energies you were born with (and chose, I might add), trying to
>live something that's not within you. I can't make my mars into any other sign, so I
>sure as hell better learn to love it and integrate it. 
>
>And as far as I'm concerned, if you want to trade yours, you haven't learned to
>appreciate it yet. Or that part of yourself.
>
>Stacey

Cancer Mars is definitly weakened.  Think about your own words.  You can only
use Mars when it *feels* right.  It works on a large  *safety* factor.  It
operates on *intuition*.  Come on.  Who are you trying to kid.  Where is the
martial confidence?  Where is the bravery? Where is the rashness.  It's not
there is it?  Even your statement that attempting to fight the influence of the
stars is a waste of time is *typical* of a weak Mars. 

I don't mean to knock you,  we all have to feel good about ourselves in way or
another, but pretending that white is black and black is white just does not
work.

As for my Mars in Libra....It has made me hamdsome,socialable and (believe
it or not) charming.  Just imagine how much *more* I could get done if it was 
in Capricorn?  All this fluctuating energy......Argh.  You see for all it is
in detriment and for all I like it I still see how a situation could be better.

Mars in Cancer is ineffectual.  Accept it that and you might really have
 accepted your Mars.

Xavier
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jupiter enters Libra tomorrow !!!
Keywords: Jupiter, Libra
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:00:21 GMT

astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Walter D. Pullen) writes:


>    _
>   / \   /                      ____
>     |   |            \        /    \
>     /   |    --------->   ____\    /____
>    |____|__          /
>         |                 --------------

Yes, Karen Morgold one of the few TV astrologers I have
any respect for gave a jup in lib reading instead
of a daily horoscope yesterday. As a scorpio I am supposed
to have an expansion of wealth and perhaps buy a house.

Michael
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