From: rdd@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.aeronautics.airliners moderated
Followup-To: poster
Organization: UTexas
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:41:57 GMT
Reply-To: airliner-vote@rascal.ics.utexas.edu

                   CALL FOR VOTES: SCI.AERONAUTICS.AIRLINERS

PROPOSED CHARTER:

    A moderated discussion group on airliner technology: the design, 
    construction, performance, human factors, operation, and histories 
    of transport-category airplanes.


HOW TO VOTE:

    To register a vote, send an email message to:
        airliner-vote@rascal.ics.utexas.edu.

    Include the word "Yes" in the message subject if you believe the group,
    as proposed, SHOULD be created.
    
    Include the word "No" in the message subject if you believe the group,
    as proposed, should NOT be created.
    
    Be sure to vote only once (YES *or* NO).

    To discuss a vote, or request a change in your vote, send an email message 
    to: 

        airliner-vote-request@rascal.ics.utexas.edu

    Please direct all public follow-ups to news.groups.  No public votes 
    will be counted.


VOTING PERIOD:

    0000 CST September 29, 1992 through 0000 CST October 29, 1992.

    This CFV will be repeated weekly, along with initial acknowledgements
    of votes.
    
    Shortly after the CFV period ends, the vote will be summarized to
    all relevant newsgroups.  If the group receives 100 more YES votes 
    than NO votes, and there is a majority of at least 2/3 in favor of the
    group, the group will be created, in accordance with net guidelines.
    

RATIONALE

This group should be created for the following reasons:

    1.  There is a broad user-base that will support and use it.

    2.  Those *not* interested in airliner traffic want it off groups it
        isn't appropriate for.  Currently, airliner traffic overlaps 
        sci.aeronautics, comp.risks, rec.travel.air, rec.travel, and 
        rec.aviation, in about that order, with significant repetition.

This group should be created in the sci.aeronautics hierarchy because:

    1.  More aerospace-industry sites receive sci.aeronautics than
        rec.aviation, the other candidate as a home for the group.  Some
        level of participation by those in the industry is very important 
        for the group to work, in the long term.

    2.  The group charter is closely aligned with sci.aeronautics' original
        charter and intent.

    3.  Sci.aeronautics has a broader technical agenda than rec.aviation: 
        rec.aviation's strength is and always has been recreational general 
        aviation.  While it has "worked" very well with this emphasis, many
        users with "aviation" interests that may be more specialized, 
        technical, or academic than a general aviation forum provides, tend 
        to bypass the group.
        
    4.  "Educational" sites (particularly the emerging secondary education 
        networks) are more likely to receive a group under sci than any 
        other hierarchy.

The group is proposed as moderated, in light of the high noise-levels 
various popular airliner-discussions have created in the past year,  
especially "noise" in the form of repetitious contributions or one-liners.

Karl Swartz (kls@ditka.chicago.com or kls@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu) has 
volunteered to serve as initial moderator. He has indicated that his 
moderation style will be mainly automatic message-forwarding, only 
"clamping down" when a highly noisy discussion appears. 

Karl has direct access to the Internet, and has indicated an interest in 
archiving messages on his machine, for posterity (they will also be 
archived, elsewhere).

I will serve as initial backup moderator.  Other moderators may be added, 
if the need arises.


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Vote acknowledgement: votes received through 0000 CST, October 15, 1992:

"lavc01::BULLOCK"@cliff.bms.com          "J. S. Bullock"
75706.2201@CompuServe.COM                Scott Jacobson
B.A.Younis@city.ac.uk                    
DMCLEOD@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU                
Ed.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM                   Ed Miller
FEITH@VAX309.NHRC.NAVY.MIL               
Geoff.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM                Geoff Miller
HEATWOLE@LANDO.HNS.COM                   Tony Heatwole
JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU             
Jonathan.Bowen@prg.oxford.ac.uk          
KCHAN%ESOC.BITNET@vm.gmd.de              "Khee Chan, SSL/ESOC at JPL, ULYSSES
Nigel.Allen@lambada.oit.unc.edu          
PAVER@MAXIMILLION.MCC.COM                Bob Paver
PLAUT@sc2a.unige.ch                      Olivier PLAUT
RANKIN%KANGA@vx.cis.umn.edu              James Rankin
ROB@AUTOCTRL.RUG.AC.BE                   "Rob A. Vingerhoeds / University of 
aap@cs.brown.edu                         Andrea A. Pietracaprina
ahogben@mirage.informix.com              Andy Hogben
altus@leland.stanford.edu                Steve Altus
ativb@manta.nosc.mil                     Bob Bell
aultj@rpi.edu                            Jim Ault
barford@hpllab.hpl.hp.com                
barr@ash.mmm.ucar.EDU                    Keith Barr
bdavis@ncratl.atlantaga.NCR.COM          Ben Davis
berner@b-mrda.boeing.com                 Ann Berner
boudreau@Athena.MIT.EDU                  Carol V. Boudreau
bretth@ecn.purdue.edu                    Brett A. Hoffstadt
brooks@imsl3.imsl.com                    Mike Brooks
brunnstein@rz.informatik.uni-hamburg.dbp 
cep@blowfish.taligent.com                Christophe Pettus
chris@airdata.socal.com                  "Chris J. Davis"
cid@Athena.MIT.EDU                       Derek H. Cedillo
ckd@eff.org                              Christopher Davis
clive@mcc.com                            Clive Dawson
clout!homebru!smith!dick@cs.uchicago.edu 
daveg@misty.sara.fl.us                   Dave Goodman
david@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au              David Masters
dela@ee.rochester.edu                    Del Armstrong
diana@wetware.com                        Diana G.
dillard%eccx.dnet@esu36.cfsat.honeywell. Life is a worst case scenario
djmurphy@wam.umd.edu                     David Murphy
donrm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com                  Don Montgomery
drieux@wetware.com                       Drieux
driscoll@SRC.Honeywell.com               Kevin Driscoll
eeyore@dcs.qmw.ac.uk                     
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu                   "Eric J. Olson"
emcguire@mama3.intellection.com          
erik@tera.com                            Erik Hedberg
eugene@nas.nasa.gov                      Eugene N. Miya
fenwick@w0x0f.clipper.ingr.com           Stephen Fenwick
fitz@wang.com                            Tom Fitzgerald
gardnerm@spinee.emba.uvm.edu             Mack GardnerMorse
gary@192.160.241.1                       "gary"
geoff%siamese@sj.ate.slb.com             Geoff Peck
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                  Gregory G. Woodbury
gl1@cec2.wustl.edu                       Greg Lyon
gt0067b@prism.gatech.edu                 
gt4824a@prism.gatech.edu                 
guest9@sews.wpafb.af.mil                 GUEST 9
hegarty@iis.ethz.ch                      Christopher Hegarty
hijuri@uta.fi                            Jussi-Pekka Rikala
hopkins@gvlf9.GVL.Unisys.COM             
hoyme@SRC.Honeywell.com                  Ken Hoyme
hrose@eff.org                            Helen Trillian Rose
i_pi!ingham@unmvax.cs.unm.edu            Kenneth Ingham
jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                 John Clear
jaeger@buphy.bu.edu                      Gregg Jaeger
jeffg@loki.esd.sgi.com                   Jeff C. Glover
jlaine@mdata.fi                          Joakim Laine
joann@UNIXHUB.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU          
kannan91@iastate.edu                     
khubbard@ems.cdc.com                     Kelvin Hubbard
kls@ditka.Chicago.COM                    Karl Swartz
kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com               Ken Koellner
laura@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com              
lhe@sics.se                              Lars-Henrik Eriksson
lls2n@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU           Leon Shieh
lsmith@CLI.COM                           Larry Smith
mark@tab00.larc.nasa.gov                 Mark Flanagan
matwood%bullion@cs.utah.edu              
mcelroy@avd00.larc.nasa.gov              Marcus O. McElroy
mcmanus@wpi.WPI.EDU                      Pat McManus
mct@praxis.co.uk                         Martyn Thomas
meb4593@icdfs.boeing.com                 Michael Bain
meb@UNIXHUB.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU            Mark Barnett
metasoft!alan@uunet.UU.NET               
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU                   
milgram@eng.umd.edu                      Judah Milgram
miller@hmrs11.wg3.waii.com               Griff Miller X7114
mox@vpnet.chi.il.us                      William Moxley
mujtaba@goose.stanford.edu               "Syed Aon Mujtaba"
mwj@beta.lanl.gov                        William Johnson
newton@cs.utexas.edu                     Peter Newton
nigel@modcomp.com                        Nigel Gamble
nulspace@cs.UMD.EDU                      Michael Chang
pab@po.CWRU.Edu                          Pete Babic
padraig@slab.pr.erau.edu                 Padraig Houlahan
palmer@icat.larc.nasa.gov                Michael T. Palmer
parabosc@eclipse.Stanford.EDU            Stefano Paraboschi
pas@cc.gatech.edu                        Paulo Santos
pedregal%unreal@cs.umass.edu             
philsuth@mycroft.dialix.oz.au            Phil Sutherland
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu            Joel Plutchak
pm@cs.city.ac.uk                         Pete Mellor
pseudo!mjn@uunet.UU.NET                  Murray Nesbitt
psm@blacktip.cs.indiana.edu              "Paul S. Miner"
raveling@kestrel.Unify.Com               Paul Raveling
rdd                                      Robert Dorsett
rdd@rascal.ics.utexas.edu                Robert Dorsett
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu             Richard H. Miller
robg@apple.com                           
ruman@maemaster.eng.uci.edu              ruman
shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu               Duckie Shiau
skyline!gk                               Gary Kremen
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.Stanford.EDU    Stefano Pagiola
sven@cs.widener.edu                      "Sven M. Heinicke"
tom@math.ufl.edu                         
tom@math.ufl.edu                         
tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu                 ""T.S. Davies""
tucusito@kokuki.kuaero.kyoto-u.ac.jp     
urf@ki.icl.se                            Urban F
vaivads@gandalf.ca                       Vic Vaivads
wagner@methusalix.kph.uni-mainz.de       Axel Wagner
watkins@hsi.com                          Carl Watkins
weik@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE               
weiss@SEAS.UCLA.EDU                      Michael Weiss
werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu             Werner Uhrig
wloo@eng.umd.edu                         Weekhuan Loo
woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU           Michael Woodhams
woof@hpfcsdw.fc.hp.com                   Steve Wolf
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