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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Pournelle isn't PC, minor Man-Kzin Wars V spoiler
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:26:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Sep29.021424.4564@unixland.natick.ma.us> eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us (Mark Urbin) writes:
>   True, it's the Empire & Space Viking stuff.  Pournelle did manage to get
>a fuzzy reference in Man-Kzin Wars V.  Nasty little bipeds with fuzzy fur,
>big eyes, long sharp teeth and a real bad attitude.  Called Beam's Creatures.
>No one on Wunderland seems to know were that name came from.

	They don't? Hmm. I guess they didn't notice the Beam in their own
eyes...

>  I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I got the spot were Ed Gruberman
>yelled out "I WILL BOOT YOU IN THE HEAD!"  I didn't know that Tae Kown Leap
>was taught on Wunderland :->.

	Ah, but did he gain wisdom?

	With in-jokes like that, I'll actually have to GET that book now!

	Then I suppose I'll get sucked in, have to go back and get the others.
You filthy  swine, now look what you've done!

                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
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From: moudgill@cs.cornell.edu ( Mayan Moudgill)
Subject: Dewey Decimal for some authors
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:56:28 GMT

Here are the dewey decimal numbers for some authors.
(I've got a list of about 150 authors. These are the authors in the
first quarter of the list which our library has).

Alan	_	Garner		PZ7.G236,PZ8.1.G23,PR6057.A736
Andre	_	Norton		PZ7.N87,PS3527.O778
Bruce	_	Sterling	PS3557.I14
C.	J.	Cherryh		PS3553.H565
Chris	_	Bunch		PS3552.U54
Cordwainer	_	Smith	PS3523.I42	Paul M.A. Linebarger
David	_	Brin		PS3552.R57
Frederick	_	Pohl	PS3566.O37
Fritz	_	Leiber		PS3523.E33
Gene	_	Wolfe		PS3573.O448
Harlan	_	Ellison		PS3555.L795,PS3555.L782

:)
Mayan
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Review: T Bisson: Voyage to the Red Planet
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:19:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.91840
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)

In article <1992Oct6.055921.8662@eff.org>, write@eff (Glen Cox) writes:
>>Here's a fun book:  Terry Bisson's _Voyage to the Red Planet_ (1990?)
>>It's light, humorous, full of running gags, and just plain a good read.

>While I agree with you that VOYAGE TO THE RED PLANET is a fun book, I
>have to disagree with your statement that it is "not very socially
>significant."  [it's satire]

And more than just satire, it's an utterly amazing adventure story.
In contrast, good ol' BORED OF THE RINGS was both satire and parody.
The actual adventure and characters had no interest beyond Tolkien
parody.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Characters I Hate to Love
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:31:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Rob Carriere made this modification to my previous posting
-->If evil is *supposed* to be more tempting than good, who's
-->doing the *supposing*?

Ahem.  That would be me, Scott D. Hurley, the argument's 
originator whose identity *hasn't* been lost during the course of
the debate.  I've been paying very close attention, and am 
rather put out by what you people have been saying.  The
statement I made that started it all was: Remember, evil is
*supposed* to be more tempting than good.
This was made in attempt to *PREVENT* the very argument that has
been going on about the nature of good and evil, and that
anyone wishing to do so should take the argument to another, more
philosophy-oriented BBS.

The gist of my original statement was that there seems to be a
growing number of cases in fiction (esp. Science Fiction/Fantasy)
where the adversary of the work is more appealing than the 
so-called 'hero'/protagonist.  Perhaps the quintessential 
example of this, although now many centuries old, is the tale
of Samael in _Paradise_Lost_--the Archfiend who is still, at
the core of his being, the greatest of the Seraphim.  The point
was that this was an *extraordinarily UNIQUE* case for hundreds
of years, but now there seems to be a rise in the number of 
'villains' that we end up rooting for.

Examples given thus far (that I've mentioned or been able to
keep track of:  Professor Moriarty; Kahn Noonian Singh;
The Lady and Soulcatcher from Glen Cook's _The_Annals_of_Black
_Company_ series; Roy Batty from _Blade_Runner_; Morgaine in
*many* Arthurian Lore renditions; Martel from the _Elenium_;
Skynet and T-1000 from _Terminator_II_ (admit it, most of us
*liked* the ruthless and cunning shapechanger!); and, one of
the most unusual, Baron Esmilio Boquilius from Jack Chalker's
'_Dancing_Gods_ universe (after all, the guy goes so far as to
betray *EVIL* to achieve his own ends, and he doesn't betray 
them to the guys in white hats, if you get my meaning).

Any other additions to this list or comments?

Also, noticed how many of our so-called 'heroes' are as bad
as the 'VILLAINS' they're supposed to be fighting?!!

Scott D. Hurley (and don't you forget it!  No net-consuming
                 wisecracks about 'Who?', either.)

-- 
He who fights with monsters might take care,
Lest he thereby become the monster.
And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
The Abyss gazes also into you. - - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzche
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Co-Dominium Universe
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:26:08 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <6763@transfer.stratus.com>, by dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber):
> In article <5947@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>, mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>> I would say that depends on how well you present your ideas and how
>> much you vary them.  Nobody would call Heinlein or Laumer right-wing
>> warmongers
>> But Pournelle's stuff is quite formulaic and repetitive, i.e.,
>> single-minded, in spirit.

> Non sequitur.  No one was talking about Heinlein, Laumer or anyone else.

That is why I mentioned them, as an example how opinions can turn out
differently even if similar views crop up.  Someone else mentioned
Anderson and Dickson as examples.

> The issue was specifically whether/why Pournelle was criticized.  My claim
> was that it was because he was perceived by these folks as a right-wing
> warmonger.

And my claim is that he opens himself up to those criticisms because
his writing is stereotyped.  He may not be as narrow as Anthony (whose
stuff I don't know), but there is a similarity.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Robert Jordan's "THE SHADOW RISING" (spoilers!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:27:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.uprao.718309650
Reply-To: uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu
Organization: U.C. Santa Barbara


 Summary: BIG book, I was a bit disappointed.

SPOILERS BELOW!  Don't read any furthur unless you've read the book.


 Ok, I finished TSR today morning, and I was a bit miffed.  Nothing much
 seems to happen in this book!  Rand & Co wander around the wastes for
 a bit, and end up fighting YET ANOTHER FORSAKEN (no wonder its gonna
 take 7 or 8 books, he's still got 8 or so forsaken to "handle"!).
 Perrin saves the day in the 2 Rivers.  Nynaeve and Elayne save the
 day in Tanchico.  EOF.

 The history aspect was pretty nice, I liked how we find out so much
 about the Aiel (the linking w/ the Tuathanan should have been obvious,
 but I missed it completely).  On the other hand, it demistifyies them,
 and they were my favorite people.

 The Two Rivers portion was garbage IMHO, Perrin should NOT have survived.
 At the least, he should have been captured by the peddler-guy or the
 WhiteCloaks.   They way he saves the day and gets the girl in the end
 reminded me too much of Eddings work.

 Likewise for the Tanchico portion, I find it difficult to believe that
 Nynaeve could defeat one of the Forsaken.

 The bit about the Amyrlin seat was beautiful, I can't wait to see how
 it turns out (unfortunately, it'll probably be that Siuan is magically
 restored by some angreal, she gets back the Tower, and lives happily
 ever after).  

 The ending was not satisfactory, I find it hard to believe Lanfear didn't
 even bother searching the area for the woman-half of that super-angreal,
 take the one from Rand, kill Asmodeus, try to contact Shaitan, etc.
 Asmodeus seemed pretty wimpy as well, although I guess thats his
 character.  And how did that other Aiel-psuedo-chief get the markings
 on his hand?  Who would draw it for him (perhaps he's a darkfriend, and
 asked one of the forsaken?).

 All in all, I feel the entire series is moving more towards formulae
 than originality now.  I hope I'm wrong.

--
parik rao						       prao@cs.ucsb.edu
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From: spb0457@venus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:18:00 GMT

Bob Goudreau writes...
>SubGenius writes:
>> Why did Bob Heinlein use pidgin English for _The Moon Is A Harsh
>> Mistress_? 'Cause the narrator was supposed to have been raised in an
>> environment where the Queen's English was not spoken.
> 
>More specifically, I saw it as an example of the effect that Russian
>had had on the English-speaking Luna colonies.  For example, the lack
>of articles in speech, or the use of works such as "gospodin" and
>"gospozha" (Russian for "Mr." & "Mrs.".).
+---------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
Among many others.  Iffin' ya wanna go on about Roooskie influence on
fictional [English] dialects, let's take a bash at, say, _A Clockwork
Orange_.  Although, truth be told, Heinlein did adger around more with
syntax than Burgess did.  But then lexography has always been more of a
Burgess mojo than grammar, excepting that "grammar" set to page by Joyce
(of "Lady Chatterly" fame, no doubt).

On the other hand, Burgess can create characters and write believable (within
the bounds of willing suspension of rising gorges, that is) dialogue.  Which
has (or rather, had) never been a strength of Heinlein's.

Speaking of Bobby H., I just grabbed a copy of the fluffed out version of
_Stranger in a Strange Land_ and breezed through it in a couple hours.  
Couldn't really see what the fuss was about (in re addition of the "lost"
40,000 words, not the novel as a whole).

Anybody read the now-he's-dead-so-let's-cop-a-quick-buck-before-the-corpse-
cools version of _The Puppet Masters_?  Just interested to see if it is 
worth a)  the $X.95 for a copy and b)  the time to read it.  Not in that
order, incidentally.







-SubG
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Gene Wolfe's New Sun stuff
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:50:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Oh bloudie, that's right.  Dorcas is Severian's GRANDmother.  His MOTHER
is the St. Katherine of the Torturer's ceremony.  The man at the inn is S's
father, and the man Dorcas mourned was her husband, S's grandfather.
One day I'll keep it all straight.

One day Dorothy Hamell will advertise hell's new skating rink.

	Larry "My head hurts again" Hammer
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu     \   Hidden harmony is better than
GEnie: L.HAMMER2             \  manifest.  -- Heraclitus, #47
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From: duffey@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas Duffey)
Subject: Re: Gene Wolfe's New Sun stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:20:44 GMT

steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:

>>	Here's a question in return: At least one of the stories which
>>Severian relates from his little brown book is recognizable - that of
>>Theseus returning without changing his sails.  Can the other stories be
>>matched up with tales we already know?

>Except that the sources are more complicated than that...

>  I don't remember that much of that sequence, but one thing I do
>remember (partly because Wolfe confirmed it when I talked to him)
>was that the battle between the giant and the scholar is not straight
>out of the mionotaur legend--it also comes from the battle of the
>Monitor and the Merrimack.  There are other sources in there too,
>but that's the main one I recall.

	Another part of this tale is taken from the idea of doing an academic
thesis (apparently "thesis" and "Theseus" got mixed together): the part about
the students in the city having to create a son magically in order to earn
a tasseled hood.  I suppose the Minotaur and Monitor represents another 
such mixture of stories due to similar sounding names.

        ALso, the idea of magically fleshing out a human appears in
a Borges short story, though I don't remember the title.  Borges is a strong
influence on Wolfe's writing, and I'd be willing to bet that the blind master
librarian of the Citadel (Ullan?)is a tribute by Wolfe to Borges.


>  One of the stories comes from Kipling, I think, (_The Jungle
>Book_), but I don't remember where it is.

	This is the story that Severian (the torturer) reads to the 
orphaned boy Severian while they are together.  It is a mix of the Jungle Book,
the Romulus and Remus story, and a bit of the Plymouth colony founding
(I suppose here, the two types of "Indians" led to the confusion).

Tom Duffey
mebsunll.me.uiuc.edu
From: djl@dplace.UUCP (Dave Lampe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Looking for a title or author
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:09:25 GMT
Organization: Dave's Used Software Works, Livermore, CA

jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason) writes:


>Plot the First: rebel or friend-of-rebel, i think he was an artist, gets
>turned into walking/talking bug by government, who implants a network of
>slightly visible sensors under his skin.

This is "Tangle Hold" by F. L. Wallace

>Plot the Second: parapsychological researcher finds a teen-age girl with
>TK/telepathy, I think she's "white trash".  he helps her strengthen her
>abilities, which really take off.  She falls for him, and by dint of her
>power, basically controls him at the end.  He thinks of himself as the
>"sacrificial lamb" at the end.

This is "Wherever You May Be" by James E. Gunn.

Both stories appeared in the collection "5 Galaxy Short Novels" edited by
H. L. Gold and published in 1958.

I don't know where you would be able to find them today.

-- 
Dave Lampe
{ames | lll-tis | sun | pyramid}!pacbell!dplace!djl
(415) 455-1571 (H)
(415) 462-7000 (W)
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From: wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:26:18 GMT

Best Book in this category:
Samuel Delaney's Babel 17

Michael Wise
Fearing and Loathing at UNLV

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony: Tantham Mound
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 01:39:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.051858.6568@news.acns.nwu.edu> enthrall@casbah.acns.
wu.edu (Andrew Wolf) writes:
>In article <2aca03d0@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov> James_Williams@ess.niai
.pc.niaid.nih.GOV (James Williams) writes:
>>In one of his earlier books, Piers Anthony says that Tantham Mound is 
>>his first serious novel in years.  Now that its out in paperback, I was

>>thinking about giving it a try.  Has anyone read it and if so, is it 
>>worth bothering with?
>>
>>--------------------------------------------
>>| James Williams                           |
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>>
>
>For starters, it's _Tatham Mound_, not "Tantham", and Piers considers it
>his best work to date.  At least, it's the one he's most proud of.  The
>problem is that <as usual> the people he had contracts with screwed him,
>and didn't give it <the book> the publicity agreed upon.
>
>I got this info from him when I visited last Spring Break.  I say go for
>it.  Only you can decide, especially if you've seen the various response

>from netters on his work.  I personally <no joke> love all that I have
>read, and that is upwards of 60 books of his.
>
>Good luck, and if you have any other questions, feel free to mail me.


 
You KNOW Piers Anthony?  Personally?  (That's what you seem to imply
in the above post...)  
 
---Chris Meadows
   Piers Anthony fan

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From: clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason)
Subject: Re: author'n'title...
Organization: Holy Church of the Llama
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.042815.15103@serval.net.wsu.edu> msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Dragon Lord) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.213242.21458@newshost.unh.edu> clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.183203.14991@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>>>
>>> hello! I remember reading a book a long time ago about some dude going to
>>>another planet keeping contact with earth. during his going over the surface
>>>he heard a voice saying something like "my brains for yours!", and this slime
>>>mold thing did something to him. back on earth he was able to transform to
>>>some kind of wolf-like creature, and he was hunted. this is all I remember.
>>> does any of this ring a bell? does anybody know what book this is??
>>>any replies appreciated!
>>
>>Yeah.  It was called _Foundation._  I think Piers Anthony wrote it.
>>
>
>You're supposed to put in a smiley when you're ripping something.. ;)

I always forget.

						Christian>
>
>
>Bill the Cat for Pres.


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From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:40:14 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <7oa3RB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, 
writes:

> still has not arrived here, is driving me crazy.  Have you noticed that the
> bookstores are spectacularly uninformed when it comes to availability?  :-(

I went to B Dalton's in a local mall and they said it would be available
on Oct 9.  I walked to the other end of the mall to Waldenbooks, and bought
it the same day.  Why did one have it and the other not?  Who knows....


> I have heard that the book is over seven hundred pages long, and I am anxious
> to get started.  At least the third book (or the others) was a story in itself,
> rather than a cliff-hanger.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.  The book is huge.  The leading is tighter and the
margins are much narrower.  That plus the additional 100 pages makes for
a much longer book than the other three.  Lets start some discussion
regarding its contents (Protected by spoilers, of course...)


-- 
John C. Hansen
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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction books with linguistic content
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:44:14 GMT

Does anyone know if Elgin plans on writing any more books in her Ozark or
linguist series?

Joe

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From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.004554.20676@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Have you noticed, btw, how cheap Adept status has gotten?  In earlier 
>books, a mage-gifted student spent a decade or so learning enough to
>achieve journeyman status.  (We're told at one point that they don't
>learn weapon skills because there simply isn't time.)  

I thought it just depended on the school.  Herald-Mages, for example, were
quite adequate with both magic and weapons -- it was part of their training.
Kethry, however, was taught in a school that did not deem weapons' use
desirable, so it was "beyond" them, in terms of time.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
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From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Subject: Jack Barron and Joe Pyne (was Re: Ross Perot and SF: From the NYT.)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:45:18 GMT
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In article <16876C3D7.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> I am posting selections from "Ross Perot or
> Superstoe?  Science Fiction Got There First"  from New York Times Week in
> Review Section page 4, from Oct. 4 1992.  [quoting Margot Slade...]
>    "In 1969, in _Bug Jack Barron_, Norman Spinrad created the talk-show
> hostas powerful public-opinion maker; Jack Barron, a kind of souped up
> Lary King with a touch of Ted Koppel through whom political movers and shakers
> are forced to move and shake."
[YANJUNA again:]
>    Finally (and most importantly), about _Bug Jack Barron_, one of my
> favorite books;  It's back in print (YEAH!!!).  (I wish they would bring
> some Spinrad short story collections back in print.)  However, Barron
> reminds me more of Geraldo Rivera more than Larry King or Ted Koppel.

The character of Jack Barron was closely based on Joe Pyne, an
obstreperous TV talk-show host of the late Sixties who frequently
engaged in shouting confrontations with his guests.  This was a
radical contrast with Merv Griffin, Dick Cavett, and other genteel
hosts of the time.  Pyne died shortly
after attaining national prominence, which is why he's not better
remembered now.  He'd be right at home on Nineties television.

At one point in the book, Spinrad explains how Jack Barron came to
prominence as a replacement host for "Joe Swyne."  


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