HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Are costs relevant ? (was Re: UUCP map entries)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:04:55 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique, Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

In article <3983@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>On the contrary, they're *entirely* relevant. 

I'm not convinced anymore on that point.  In the design, costs
are definitely a good stuff, but seeing how they are more
and more used it does not reflect anymore the reality.

First point: should costs reflect reall costs, delays or a combination of
both of those parameters ?

A cheap way may take several days whereas a not much more expensive one
takes a few hours. I recently had the case with a site in the usa.tx maps
who had a pathalias route cheap and efficient.

And...

... with the recent set of maps posted for Texas, many links have
changed, and in fact new ones have been added. From a two-hops
away from the Internet I switched to another two hops away via
site ks.uucp (at IBM Austin). Too bad, this site is misconfigured and
all mail get bounced. I declared the site as dead and restarted the
pathalias. News entry point: another IP site in Texas and 3 or
4 hops to go to my correspondant.  Another link dead, and that
still for two or three more turns gave my unefficient routes
with low cost...

The problem can come from two points: not everyone declares its
local calls with the same price. Nor does this really take into
mind the delays in propagation and occupation of the different sites,
etc...

The used units do not seem anymore representative to me of the reality of
the traffic and offten generate unadequate routes, or even impossible
ones because lots of sites indicate links they don't handle anymore
since years sometimes.  And of course mailing to those sites is useless
because they are badly or even not administrated.  All of that is causing
overwork to administrators wishing to provide a usable UUCP service
to their users.

I'm also conscient that changing the current cost scheme would
be nearly impossible.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
  "Pour le bien-etre de tous, il est interdit de pisser dans le metro."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Re: How to make UUCP connection work over terminal server ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:11:01 GMT
Keywords: UUCP,server

ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes:

>loncars@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Sven Loncaric) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>The next version of Taylor UUCP has a protocol which lets you avoid
>specific control characters.  However, it's not out yet (please do not
>ask me when it will be available; I will announce it; honest) and in
>any case you would have to run it on both ends of the connection.

You could see if the terminal server supports slip/ppp and run uucp over that.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: terry@zoe.network23.com (Terry)
Subject: Re: Weird problem with uucico login
Organization: Mystech Associates
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:12:47 GMT

From article <1992Nov11.174253.19547@dbsun.uucp>, by sachs@dbsun.uucp (sachs):
> 
> 	I have been trying to figure out a problem with setting up polling
> for one of my machines to talk to another one. The problem is with logging in.
> When uucico running on a Sun 4 establishes a connection through ACU with an
> IBM 550 (RS 6000 running under AIX), it just hangs after sending the login string. I stuck a line monitor in to check what exactly is going to and from the 
> modem, and then tried to login into the same machine using the same login and password, but manually, through cu command. Everything worked fine. Then I ran
> Uutry and it tried to log in -- sending exactly the same charachters as I was sending
> manually -- and it just hang there after geting the expected "ogin:" and sennding the login string. If I add an extra linefeed to the login string in Systems,
> it goes to password and hangs there; if I also add a linefeed to password, it
> gives me "invalid password. Please try again" message.
> 
> Victor Sachs
> 
> dbsun!sachs@wupost.wustl.edu
> vls1@cec1.wustl.edu
> (314)731-7394
I had a similar problem.  It turns out that the SUN (4.1.1) uucico defaults
to 7E1 when attempting to connect to an external system.  I had my gettytab
set to 8N1 which did not cause a problem on receiving the login name.  But
when the password was transmitted login did not appear to recognize the CR.
My solution was to change my gettytab back to 7E1.  I also ran strings on
uucico and a STTY= string appeared.  I would then assume that it is possible
to instruct uucico to use different communication parameters, but I don't
know how.

Hope this helps.

Terry
-- 
terry@zoe.network23.com
{rayssd,xanth,mirror,att}!galaxia!zoe!terry
From: piggy@noether.cc.utas.edu.au (La Monte Yarroll)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: internet with smail3
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:55:04 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) writes:

>Once your nameservers will advertise your presence on the net
>(And I hope you asked them to modify data for your domain from MX
>record to A record...), other machines will try to reach you
>directly; until nameservers will advertise it, no one will pay
>attention to your presence :-). 

NO NO NO!  You still need the MX record!  You need to ADD an A record.

I can't site the RFC off hand, but I'm fairly sure that if you don't
have an MX record, "compliant" software need not deliver mail to your
site.  The fact that most software will look for an A record if it
can't find an MX record is an anachronism.

(Feel free to correct me on this.)
--
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   Work:		piggy@hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.uucp:2050 news.answers:3934
From: lowe@rrc.chevron.com (George Lowe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: internet access number?
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:16:54 GMT
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Marc.Costaldi@f2050.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Marc Costaldi) writes:
: Can anyone tell me, or send me a list of numbers where interenet can be 
: accessed via modem. I have a program to do it called fsuucp, and all it's 
: utilties, but I just don't have any access numbers. Any ideas?>  
:  
: ---
:  * Origin: FireHouse BBS! *Biggest BBS in Arkansas! 800meg!* (1:391/2050

Please include me if sending a list. ThankS
From: trier@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mail Address Question - Help please...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:20:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu
Keywords: stupid pet-tricks

In article <101.2af6f181@forthd.uucp> johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert) writes:
>	What in the hell is my mail address?  Everyone I talk to says
>        something different. Here is my relationship to the net-

Assuming sysc has a domain name, use sysc.domain.name!sysb!sysa!forthd!johnl.
That will be the most universally usable, though other people may have to
translate it to formats that their systems can understand.

You can also improvise other addresses using the %-hack or the mixed !/@
notation, but neither one is particularily desirable.  (If you _must_ use
the percent hack, use johnl%sysa%sysb@sysc.domain.name)

> Is my address johnl@forthd? johnl@forthd.uucp?

Until you are in the maps, do not use forthd.UUCP.  The ".UUCP" means
"I'm in the UUCP maps".  Of course, so many people use it incorrectly
that its usefulness as a routing hint is greatly diminished.  (Even my
site used it incorrectly for about two months, before I found out what
it was supposed to mean.)

johnl@forthd works, especially for news.  You will have to give a bang-
path in your .signature file so that people can reply to your messages.
(A few news programs will try to retrace the Path line, but that is not
guaranteed to happen or even be desirable.)

> What are maps & what do they mean to me?

Look in comp.mail.maps, especially at the file README.  The maps are a
description of the connectivity of thousands of UUCP sites.  They can be
used by hand to manually create a bang-path ("!" address), or they can be
processed with the pathalias program for automatic determination of the
"best" path to every site in the maps.

Once you have a published map entry, you can start giving your address as
johnl@forthd.UUCP.  Anyone who sees that will have to use the maps, either
manually or automatically, to route messages to you.

-- 
Stephen Trier                                     
Network Services Engineering, IRIS/INS/Telecom    "Dessine-moi un mutton"
Case Western Reserve University                        - Le Prince
trier@ins.cwru.edu
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: bogus maps ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:06:22 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov10.232956.18631@blilly.UUCP> lilb@sony.compuserve.com writes:
>In article <3969@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>>In article <1992Nov9.011459.10550@blilly.UUCP> lilb@sony.compuserve.com writes:
>>>UUCP map for u.bel.1.new
>>>UUCP map for u.bel.0.new

>>Have you noticed u.aus.csiro.? yet?

>No, I haven't. But I've noticed u.dmk.* and u.che.10, which
>aren't of any use.

>I understand that these were originally mistakes, and that
>subsequent empty versions were sent to correct the original
>mistakes, but for how long will this continue?

I was told several iterations (months) to ensure that the mistaken
file gets clobbered even for those sites that miss a couple
of rounds.

>Also, it would be nice if the map names in actual use
>corresponded to what the README file says they should be (or vice
>versa).  Some of us *do* depend on some reliable format to map
>files for automatic unpacking (at least until a better method of
>distributing map updates is put into place).

What do you mean by reliable format?  unpackmaps 4 has the ability
to delete arbitrary maps from the input (to subset your maps),
and I've not been having much trouble keeping up.  An entry
every month or two.

The README is obviously very far out of date.  No d.* files anymore.
(except for d.AProject and d.Top)
-- 
Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
From: ctwomey@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: transfer speed using uucp - figures please
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:48:27 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service


How does the speed of file transfer using uucp compare with other
file transfer protocols such as Kermit?  Does anyone have any
comparison figures out there - I'd be very interested, especially in
uucps 'f' protocol.

Many thanks,

Colum Twomey, EuroKom, Dublin, Ireland.
ctwomey@vms.eurokom.ie
From: jonhuff@nlbbs.UUCP (Jonathan Huff)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Problem re: 'msg: timeout waiting for sync'
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: jonhuff@nlbbs.UUCP
Distribution: world
Organization: The Northern Lights BBS * Portland, Maine * 207-761-4782 (v.32bis)

    To all,

    This is my first posting to the newsgroups, so please bear with me.
I have access to a UUCP setup through a local DOS-based BBS through
Waffle software.  My machine is an older IBM PC/XT (8088) with 640K
running DOS3.1, using a Practical Peripherals 2400SA modem.  My problem is
that while I am connecting to the BBS at 2400 baud, getting through the
logon script into the UUCP software, I get the following message:

        msg: timeout waiting for sync

and then I lose carrier-detect and my modem hangs up.  Has anyone out
there run into this (or similar) problem, and could lend some help?
    I access this local BBS and UUCP daily from my machine at work, but 
would like to do some of this at home, especially on the weekends.
    Please respond via mail, as the sysop of my local BBS does not
receive this particular newsgroup.  I will post a summary of any/all
responses I receive.
    Thanks in advance...

    Jon

   =========================================================================
   |   Jonathan Huff   | Northern Lights BBS |   CompuServe: 76474,3016    |
   |                   |    Portland, ME     |                             |
   |   jonhuff@nlbbs   |   (207) 761-4782    |   76474.3016@compuserve.com |
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: Any easy way to filter this type of UUCP traffic?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:04:25 GMT
Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.232211.4599@blilly.UUCP> bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly) writes:
> >Pathalias will generate a ``backlink'' even if one half of the
> >link is not explicitly listed in the maps.
> pathalias will indeed generate a backlink, but a backlink with
> cost of DEAD.
The pathalias(1) manual page implies this, but it is not true. The backlink
is much "deader" than dead, showing here:

	/home/martini $ pathalias -l a -c << EOF
	a       b(DEAD)
	c       a
	EOF
	0       a       %s
	100000000       c       c!%s
	1000000 b       b!%s

The link a!b is marked DEAD, and ends up with a cost factor of 1000000. But
the link a!C (which is a backlink) has a cost factor that is 100 times that
high!

> Notice that the cost for ecicrl!uunet is "DEAD" instead of merely
> double the default (4000) as one would expect for an equal-cost
> implicit backlink.
No, it's not. It's a hundred times dead (see above).

> >If you're paranoid about others using the link, explicitly set the
> >link cost as "(DEAD)",
> This is already the default, so is unnecessary, and perhaps makes
> it a little harder for someone to spot an obviously deprecated
> backlink and manually insert a lower cost in their local overrides
> to get around your intent.

And, as you can see, it is counterproductive to advertise a link as "merely"
DEAD when it would be a hundred times DEAD if you didn't.
-- 
___*___  Martin P. Ibert - Westendallee 100 d, D-1000 Berlin 19 - +4930-3056541
=======  E-mail to martini@{heaven7.{in-berlin.de|sub.org}|cloud9.in-berlin.de}
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From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Subject: Re: email routing
Followup-To: comp.mail.uucp
Reply-To: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:24:36 GMT

As quoted from <Bxq13z.7rp@gator.rn.com> by larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder):

+---------------
> I'm running smail3 release 28
> 
> I want to forward all internet traffic that's in
> the DNS via smtp, local traffic via smtp and uux,

Proper setup of DNS + resolv.conf + enabling BIND router in smail
routers file will do that. 



> and all uucp non-local traffic via smtp to uunet.uu.net
> to be routed. 
> 

You have 2 choices to do that - smarthost router ( in routers file,
with manual ovveride in ~/config file); then, you can use
forcepaths file as well....



> I am having one heck of a time getting this set up.
> 

Really ?? Well, I heard that Dell comes set up out of the box,
Larry..   :-)



> any ideas?
> 

Yup. Read last NFS & NIS, TCP/IP, BIND & DNS from O'Reilly, and TFM
for smail :-).


If you will be ready to give up, yell for help and I will send you
my files for ripping off... I am running precisely this setup,
only using another smart-host.



> -- 
> Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
> keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

_zjt


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IBM PC SIG Sysop - Cleveland Free-Net    aa609@cleveland.freenet.edu
APK	       Public Access UNI* Cleveland,          (216)-481-9436
Feeds, shell, FTP & telnet access        Uniboard distribution point 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: bll@seer.gentoo.com (Brad Lanam)
Subject: uucp problems
Summary: in send/slave mode (input failure)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:39:30 GMT
Organization: Brad Lanam  Walnut Creek, CA
Keywords: uucp input failure

    I'm getting a "IN SEND/SLAVE MODE (INPUT FAILURE)" message.  This
mostly occurs when the uucico session is initiated on my side, though
it has happened when initiated by other computers.  It also seems to
happen more often when using uucp spoofing with Telebit's PEP mode
(WorldBlazer to WB or other Telebit modem).

    Is there an easy explanation for this (is my port losing data)?
Or do I need to do a '-x9' do find out what's going on.

-- Brad

-- 
Until the next disk seek...
   -- Brad Lanam  bll@gentoo.com bll@seer.mystic.com
From: taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Getting In The Maps
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:36:21 -0500
Reply-To: taz%momad@infoserv.com
Organization: MoDeM MaDnEsS BBS   1-516/295-9435

Hi there.   I have been trying to get into the UUCP maps for a little over a
month now.  I've sent my entry to the name listed in the UUCPMAP for README
as my local coordinator (I'm in New York)   and I sent my map entry to
UUCPMAP@rutgers.rutgers.edu.   I saw the most recent uucp map for NY
which was posted on Oct. 27 (Somewhere around then) and I was not in the
maps.     How do I get into the maps?   I posted my map entry to comp.mail.maps
and the entry is the following:

# #N    momad
# #S    386-DX running MS-DOS, Waffle 1.65 for UUCP
# #O    Modem Madness BBS
# #C    Jonathan S. Nowak
# #E    momad!system
# #T    +1 516 295 9024
# #P    782 Arbuckle Ave.  Woodmere, NY 11598-2706
# #L    40 39 N / 73 40 W city
# #R    Public-Access Usenet Site & BBS
# #U    infoserv philabs mertwig
# #W    momad!taz (Jonathan S. Nowak); Tue Oct 27 17:13:15 EDT 1992
# #
# infoserv      infoserv.com
# philabs       philabs.philips.com
#
# infoserv(daily)
# philabs(daily)
# mertwig(daily)


Any ideas?


Thanks.



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Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.dcom.modems
From: loncars@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Sven Loncaric)
Subject: How to make UUCP connection work over terminal server ?
Summary: Terminal server filters/eats characters ?
Keywords: UUCP,server
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:50:15 GMT


Hello,

I am trying to set up a UUCP connection between an off-campus (SCO 3.2.2)
and an on-campus (Sun 4.1.1) machine. The off-campus machine uses 2400
baud modem to dial-in and access an on-campus terminal server through
which it then connects to the destination on-campus machine.

Problem: The off-campus machine successfully connects to the on-campus
machine and the data transfer starts but soon after that the connection
breaks because the on-campus machine does not seem to respond any more.
The UUCP diagnostic shows alarm messages ...

The problem seems to be in the terminal server (it filters or misinterprets
characters instead of passing them through). I tried to turn off the server
XON/XOFF protocol and switch characters but with no success.
(I used SET SESSION PASSALL among other server commands.) The server is Vista
(I think), and emulates DEC server commands.  It reports VCP-1000 when I say
SHOW SERVER.  The off-campus machine has no problems connecting to other UUCP
sites (not involving problematic server).

A strange thing is that C-kermit works fine transferring binary files 
over the same connection between the two machines. (This does not agree
with the above character eating theory.)

Has anyone out there had success in setting up UUCP connection over servers ?
I would appreciate any comments or suggestions ...

Thanks in advance


-- 
Sven Loncaric
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Internet: lsven@uceng.uc.edu                 UUCP: uunet!uceng.uc.edu!lsven
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: What to do about forgeries?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:15:32 GMT

In article <5899@airs.com> ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes:
>Use a different LOGNAME for each system.  Enter each LOGNAME in
>/etc/passwd with the same uid as nuucp and with a different password
>for each one.  Tell the people who call you to start using the new
>login name and password, since nuucp will no longer work.

I like to give them different uids as well.  Then "who", "ps", "uustat -p",
"uustat -a", "last", etc. will all show you meaningful names instead of the
first match in the passwd file.  Since uucico runs suid, it doesn't matter
that the real uid is different.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: internet with smail3
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:25:34 GMT

We are running smail3, and should be live on the internet
as of this afternoon.  Do I just need to fire up the sendmail
deamon for smail as covered in the docs to listen for inbound
SMTP traffic?

I assume smail3 will use my hosts file and attempt to route traffic
that way before defaulting to the uucp maps?

Do I need to start a specific deamon here so that other sites know
that gator.rn.com is alive receiving inbound SMTP traffic?

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.misc