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From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Telecommunication in the Asia-Pacific region
Date: 13 Oct 1992 12:22:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct13.061653.8556@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>In article <1b6k45INNgnt@bigboote.WPI.EDU> tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn) writes:
>>Another somewhat old news, but I think many of us would be interested.
>
>>"TELECOM DATABASE EYED"
>>Govt. hoping to establish Apec facility in Bangkok
>>
>>Patcharee Luengutai, Yingyord Manchuvisith,
>>Nophakhun Limsamarnphun
>>(The Nation, Sept.)
>>
>>	Singapore was chosen over Bangkok as the site of the Apec
>>secretariat earlier this month largely since Bangkok is already the seat of
>>several international organizations, he noted.
>
>According to the Far Eastern Economic Review (Sept 24, 1992)
>
>APEC chooses Singapore by Paul Handley in Bangkok:
>
>"Just about anything in Bangkok can be blamed on the traffic. Now the
>city can add to the list its failure to win the headquarters of the
>Asia-Pacific Economic (Apec) forum.
>
>Apec delegates who met in Bangkok on 10-11 September decided to locate
>their new secretariat in smooth-running Singapore.  Stories about the
>Thai capital's infamous jams -- particular a recent snarl-up that
>streched a 30 minuts journey into five hours -- apparently tipped the
>balance. "

	Thank you Mr. Mann for providing us with more updated info.  The 
newspaper clipping that I received was a photocopy of the original and the 
date was cut off.  I am not surprise that the table was turned the other
way.  Traffic is a very big problem for Bangkok.  What Mr. Mann quoted up
there about the traffic from the Far Eastern Economic Review is true.  I 
don't know if it is referring to the same incident or not, but while I was
back in Bangkok between mid-July and mid-August there was a Tuesday evening
when the traffic in Bangkok was at it's worst (plus it was raining during 
rush hour) that I have seens and heard of.  Stories from my friends were 
horrifying: for example, one friend was at the intersection of 
Asoke-Sukhumvit...it took him 3 hrs to get to his house on Soi 19.  This 
is the one thing that even I am very fed up with everytime I return home 
for a visit.  Did anyone have any experience with Bangkok traffic as bad 
as that?
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Chuan pop prachachon
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:16:21 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM

In article <1992Oct2.221838.13144@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
>
>Could anybody tell me if this following proposal would be any helpful to
>our beloved country?
>
>Inorder to keep our new government led by Khun Chuan Leekpai closely in
>touch with normal Thai people, I would like to see Khun Chuan host a talk
>show program.  It could be on a t.v. station or a national radio station. 
>This talk show will allow Khun Chuan to talk to people under any subject
>by calling in during the show.  From time to time,{some other ministers in
>the government may be invited to join this show.
>
>If anyone of us has suggestions or commends on this idea, please share
>your thought here.

I think this would be a great idea!  Ordinary people would have an opportunity
to present their problems to the government officials.  They can do this anyway
by writing letters, but how many Thais like to write letters?  Lots of Thais
like to watch TV.  Maybe this program would persuade them to become more 
politically active.

I think the program would need a person to monitor the questions.  Many people
may ask questions that cannot be answered immediately by Khun Chuan because
he will need time to ask his staff for complete information.  Also, some people
may ask questions that cannot be answered by Khun Chuan because he is not
responsible.

tim

-- 
Tim Stilwell	Technical Support Engineer	tstil@auspex.com
		Auspex Systems Inc.		408-492-0900x340
From: howeird@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com
Subject: Thai Holidays?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:05:27 GMT
Organization: HP Research Grants Program

Would someone be as kind as to post the American/European calendar dates
for the 1993 Thai Holidays? 
Kop Jai Mag Krup

Howard Stateman  
howeird@hpl.hp.com 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: amara@wam.umd.edu (Amara Tremongkol Naksathit)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:30:44 GMT

This is a test. Please ignore it.
From: rhodes@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Michael Rhodes)
Subject: Re: world
Reply-To: rhodes@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Michael Rhodes)
Organization: Nuclear Physics Laboratory, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:08:59 GMT

>Khun Laurence writes:
>>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.
>> 
>>Laurence
>
>I think they are very interesting.
>
>Jonas

I have to agree also that they are interesting.  Being in the scientific/
engineering community AND being highly interested in ANYTHING that goes on
or affects Thailand I find them very informative and feel they do hava a
certain place in SCT.  Especially for the Thai student that is in the field(s)
of interest.  It is supportive of their studies and perhaps motivating. 
Khun Laurence, you really should know better than post something like this,
it is guaranteed to gather flames.  (Smoking is hazardous to your health)..

--Mike (Nuclear Physics Laboratory)
       (University of Illinois)


Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:08:07 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Proposed salary of S&T instructors in governmental universities


    Salary of a new instructor who has obtained a master degree will
start at 15,000 baht/month.  Rate of increase (RI) is as follow:

      - For the first five years, his salary will be increased 10% per year.
      - Fifteen years later, RI is 7% per year. 
      - Another fifteen years later, RI is 5% per year.

    If he starts working at the age of 25, he will get his salary of
135,000 baht/month when he is 60 years old.  By implementing this plan,
the national budget of 552 million baht per year must be allocated, as
indicated in the following table:

                       Annual Budget for S&T instructors    

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
                      Current system    Proposed system    % increase
Engineering                 131              300                169
Sciences                    324              707                383

Total                       455            1,007                552
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                        unit : million baht

Source    :    Guidelines for developing S&T manpower during the seventh
                    national plan.

               Proposed to

               The planning committe for S&TD in the seventh plan.

Posted by
Schitt  laowattana


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Our KING birthday
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:54:27 GMT

Dear Netter,

This December 5, 1992 is our king birthday. I love and respect our
king very much. And I think that every Thai people share the same 
feeling. I think that we should do something for this great event.
Why don't we wrote some letter to show our feeling of love and respect
for him ? Everyone can sign ( attach the email address ) and have 
someone to manage to send it to thailand and to our king. 
My english is not good. My capability is limited. We still have time
about 1-2 month to accomplish this. So, I raise this topic to S.C.T
to call for someone who willing to organize this .

Thank you very much for your attention. I really dream to see this
little thing done for our king.

Putchong Uthayopas
From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: White Trash
Date: 9 Oct 1992 10:40:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <9OCT199202391037@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <92282.194500U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>                    writes...
>>I agree 100% with the gentleman who posted this article.  Lau-"runt" had no
>> right to criticize Thailand, the Thai government, or the Thai people.  I
>
>Why not?  Why do I have no right?
>
>>mean who is he anyway?  He's nothing but a snot-nose, scumbag, intellectually
>>inferior, limy British twerp.  I don't care if he got a PhD.  To him this
>
>How would you know what I am like?
>
>>title is Ph- "Dork".  He should be banned from this newsgroup (and better
>> yet, this planet) if he doesn't have anything nice to say.
>
>Is this group only for people who have something nice to say about Thais?
>Are you sure that is the intention?  Is it okay for use by people like
>you who have rude things to say about farangs, or is it only for people
>who have something nice to say in general?  If the former, isn't that a
>little one-sided?  If the latter why are you posting this kind of garbage?
>
>Laurence

Khun Laurence,
	Please....let us stop this.  It is becoming quite childish.  There
is nothing wrong with criticism, but let them be constructive criticism.  I
realize that you and those who are/have been engaged in this flame war are
over-reacting on your emotions.  May I suggest taking a deep breath of cold
air or a walk before you (or anyone else) respond to these posts emotionally.

	With this note I hope to see this flaming end.  If it must continue,
resort to private email or alt.flame, but not on this forum please.  Thank 
you and Peace to everyone.


Sincerely,
Lisa Taikitsadaporn
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Looking for someone
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:21:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AeqC4XK00UhWM4BlNA
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,

    Would the person who is doing postdoctoral work in Florida on AUV,
please contact me again?  I lost your previous e-mail and address  due
to malfunctioning of my computer.  Sorry for this.

Regards,
Schitt  Laowattana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: On salary of S&T Manpower
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.043140.12314@usl.edu> pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong) writes:
>>  .... no-one can call him/herself an engineer unless he holds
>>a degree specificaly approved by the ONE institute in Germany that 
>>oversees the quality of engineers.  ... It could not now be done in 
>> the UK for engineers, as it would conflict with government
>>policy.
>>
>I don't understand why this will conflict with the government policy. Please
>give me some more elaborate on this point. 

When you mass-produce so many engineers, you don't want to have an institute 
which can obstruct them from working & getting an engineering job.  Imagine
if half of the newly graduated engineers do not get approved, then the
attempt to increase engineers will be futile.   Given today's
circumstances, we must either chose quality or quantity.
From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: War and Peace
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:17:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.thai
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology

In article <1992Oct7.170030.4449@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu wrote: 
> >> 
> >> To have an artificial peace is no more or less dangerous than a real war. 
> >> Reasonable conflicts need not be bad.
> >
> >There's no such thing as a reasonable conflict.
> >
> Don't you think we're now having a reasonable conflict?  It comes with
> difference of opinions about certain things.  Maybe you think you're the
> only correct person.  Smart people know how to manage conflicts, I believe.

I was reading conflict as meaning some sort of limited war. Which I think
is never reasonable. I mean the idea of people losing their lives to keep
their respective governments in position's of power is really not on. Just
my opinion of course.

Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: selective posting on s.c.t.
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:10:28 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

strisiri@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (Supakiat Trisiripisal), Kent State Universit
writes:
  
>I have been reading all articles in this Thai group for a month.  I got a kind o
>f 
>feeling that all of you are doing something wrong. I would like to ask everyone 
>what the propose of this soc.culture.thai is. I am tried of reading all unuseful>
>
>articles.  I want all of you post something that is more useful to everyone, not
>using this news group to debate as an article FARANG, LOW CLASS or GODFREE's    
>World. I am looking forward to a article about what i

Come on, you guys. This really is not a stage for you to fight. Be considerate

Abi
From: pp1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pun Panthaworn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Export?
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:37:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Aerkjb200iV3A3jHAD
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I would like to know some opinions from you.  Assume that you know
someone in Thailand who wants to do some export business. What do you
think would be the most needed import for americans ?  Also, please give
your reasons.
    I do appreciate your kindness of giving your opinion and thank you so much.


--
Pun Panthaworn
<pp1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
" The Punster"qui aime tout le monde.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Salary for instructor
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:44:59 GMT

In article <8eqQjRO00WBL84SXo9@andrew.cmu.edu> Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>[Khun Putchong]:
>>      I think that this budget is quite big because the government must
>> pay it every year. And they must pay more and more if they have the 
>> 7-10% increase in salary every year. The budget will double in 10 years.
>[Schitt]:
>    Other budgets are in scales of billion baht.

If we can cut the millitary spending down, we'll have more than enough
to support high salary for all instructors in any area not only S&T.

>[Schitt]:
>    Demand-supply logics should be applied.  If there is a high demand
>for social scientists and there is not enough of them in universities,
>the similar solutions will used to provide more incentives to them. 

Restructuring the salary system every time the direction of demand changes
will leave a large burden on the goverment.  

(Incentive?  I was just wondering if one will work harder when one is paid 
more.) 

>..... The contribution of
>these people is highly significant in terms of disciplinary and moral
>enhancement for our society.

Yes, please.  Less politics and more moral enhancement for the society.

>[Schitt]:
>    I think whatever you mention about university life still exists
>after isolation takes place.  The main purpose of such an isolation is
>to get S&T universities moving effectively.  They will be able to
>recruit qualified personel. 

The word "isolation" sounds very ...uhm... isolated. 
How about "separoperate" [operate separately] or "separcooperate" 
[separate but still cooperate].  Independent doesn't imply isolation. 

-----------------------------------------------------------
Ask yourself what you can do for the country, not what the
country can do for you. --- JFK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Chuan lets law prevail over what, exactly?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.173120.15360@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu                 writes...
>kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH   tells us more about PM Chuan:
> 
> 
>>Mr Chuan said he could not tell whether the military
>>investigation into the May tragedy would be made public or not.
>>
>>"If it is confidential, then it cannot be revealed."
> 
> 
>Now that is NOT common sense. We already know what "confidential" means:
>The army will conduct their own investigation of a story which they know
>well in two different versions: the real one (which they know because they 
>did it), and the one they told us (which they know because they made it up).
>Therefore, a secret investigation is a waist of time and energy and would only
>serve to delay the prosecution of murderers and lie to the public once more.
>This has to be stopped. A completely open investigation that will be subject
>to public criticism is the only way to do justice and repair the now-extinct
>human rights in Thailand.
> 
> 
>Abi
> 

I agree 100% with this eminently sensible posting.  However, if the military
know that the findings of the investigation are to be made public, they will
tailor the results accordingly.  In all senses this is a senseless investign:
a) as Khun Abi pointed out, the army do not tell the truth, and there is no
reason why they should do so even in the findings of a confidential
investigation, b) the army cannot be expected to carry out a fair
investigation when they are investigating themselves (the same absurd state
of affairs occurs in police complaints investigations in both the UK and US),
c) it looks like the results will not be made public anyway.

The only possible acceptable solution is an independent investigation
by an independent committee, with observers from all shades of political
opinion present thoughout.  I think there is absolutely no hope of this
happening, however.

What if the families of the many victims were organised by someone to
bring criminal prosecutions against the responsible persons, which
presumably would have to be heard in open court?  Is this possible in
Thai law?

laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Music industry in Thailand
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:49:23 GMT

Does anyone know a current trent of the music industry in Thailand?  I'm
abouttt done with my MA in music theory and composition and try to
make a decision whether I should continue with my ph.d. or go back to look
for a job at home.  I would like to know of any possibilities to get a
teaching jobs at universities or colleges  Also I wonder if there are a
lot of demands for composers or arrangers in the music market at home for
now or in the near future?

Any answers to these questions will be greatly appreciated.

Thian
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Chuan pop prachachon
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:38:35 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I aslo think that a talk show with the PM is a great thing. It will force him 
to give answers to real problems in real time and to tell the truth (or
practice his lies). This will be a good tradition to set in a country where
what the people at the top do has sometimes nothing to do with what ordinary
people need (to say the least about the May events). A courageous PM would be
the person to start such a tradition  


Abi
From: suntich@onyx.egr.msu.edu (Montree Suntichaikul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: S&T teacher salary
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:18:40 GMT
Reply-To: suntich@ee.msu.edu
Organization: EE Department, Michigan State University

In article <15OCT92.00026436.0124.MUSIC@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>, B7IW%MUSICB.MCGILL.CA@VM1.MCGILL.CA (B7IW000) writes:
|> Subject: Re: Salary for instructor
|> 
|> Khun Anuchit wrote:
|> 
|> >..........................  No other country is sleeping.  If we don't
|> >get into good shape and start running to the cutting edge of technology now,
|> >we may never have a chance to catch up with others.  We can't afford to
|> >wait any longer (for equilibrium to occur slowly or natually). There are many
|> >countries which once started at the same point as Thailand (some behind
|> >Thailand) but now they are far ahead.  Seeing others should make one realize
|> >that it is science and technology that makes a country strong and brings
|> >better living standard.  Make a leap now or wait for death.
|> 
|> YES, YES, YYYYES ! It's exactly what we should do NOW. We're now entering an
|> era of economics war. Our weapons are of course science and technology. If our
|> weapons do not match the others, we should not expect to gain anything.
|> 

     - It can obviously seen that S & T will be a "value-added" for the National
income & revenue. But how about the people who live in rural area? Is the standard
of living and their income in the rural area is truely better? Whereas BKK is being 
flood with the word "Science and Technology", "NICS","NACS" etc, people in the rural 
area just only see (or perhaps not) but cannot participate in.  The S & T cannot be 
done alone without developing social science, humanity, etc. together. "Appropriate 
Technology" should be applied in order that the scholar whoever got scholarship or not 
can be really understand what they study and how to apply to the real situation.
Not just only stay on the ivory tower.
 

-- 
Montree Suntichaikul

EE Department, Michigan State University
E-Mail: suntich@ee.msu.edu, suntich@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (Internet)
        suntich@msuegr.BITNET (Bitnet)
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From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: S&T Manpower in Asia
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:49:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seolIDu00WBK03r0ZT
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


               Scientists & Engineers       Scientists & Engineers who do R&D
               ______________________       _________________________________
                
            per 10,000    per 10,000        per 10,000    per 10,000
            population    labour            population    labour

Country        

Bankladesh    8.5          15.2               0.2          0.4
China        48.5          85.4              20.6         36.2
India        11.6          21.0               0.4          0.6
Indonesia     7.3          13.8               0.6          1.1
Japan        49.6          77.6              29.4         46.0
Korea        24.4          40.5               5.3          7.1
Malysia      17.5          28.0               0.6          1.0
Napal         1.8           3.4               0.4          0.8
Pakistan     15.5          30.2               0.6          1.3
Philipin     26.9          50.5               8.4         15.6
SriLanka      5.8          10.0               1.0          1.7
Thailand      4.8           9.1               1.4          2.7
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source    :    APCTT(1986) searched from ESCAP(1986)


Posted by

Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana

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