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From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Belize
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:57:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Belize
============================================================
Belize - Consular Information Sheet
 December 15, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Belize is located at the 
intersection of Gabourel Lane and Hutson Street in Belize City; 
telephone (501-2) 77161.

Country Description:  Belize is a developing country.  Its tourism 
facilities vary in quality.

Entry Requirements:  A passport, a return/onward ticket, and 
sufficient funds are required for travel to Belize.  U.S. citizens 
who stay less than three months do not need visas.  However, for 
visits exceeding one month, travelers must obtain permits from the 
immigration authorities in Belize.  For further information, the 
traveler can contact the Embassy of Belize at 2535 Massachusetts 
Avenue N.W., Washington, D.C. 20008 tel: (202) 332-9636 or the 
Belize Mission to the U.N. in New York.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care is limited.  Doctors and 
hospitals often expect immediate cash payment for health services.  
U.S. medical insurance is not always valid outside the United 
States.  In some cases, supplemental medical insurance with specific 
overseas coverage has proved useful.  For additional health 
information, the traveler can contact the Centers for Disease 
Control's international travelers hotline at (404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  Petty crime, including pickpocketing and 
muggings, is occurs.  Visitors who walk alone on city streets, 
especially at night, or travel alone to a remote tourist site, are 
particularly at risk.  Useful information on guarding valuables and 
protecting personal security while traveling abroad is provided in 
the Department of State Pamphlet, "A Safe Trip Abroad."  It is 
available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government 
Printing Office, Washington D.C. 20402.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession and trafficking in drugs 
are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail sentences and 
fines.

Tips for Travelers:  The Department of State's pamphlet "Tips for 
Travelers to Central and South America" is available from the 
Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, 
Washington, D.C. 20402.

Registration:  Americans who register at the U.S. Embassy can 
obtain updated information on travel and security within the country.

 No. 92-124

This Consular Information Sheet replaces the one issued October 27, 
1992 to provide updated information on crime and tourist facilities.


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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Flights to Kamchatka...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:37:46 GMT

system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
>bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
>
>> Here's a question only a travel junkie would ask...
>> 
>> Are there any flights from Alaska to Kamchatka Peninsula in Eastern
>> Siberia? No, I'm not going there to work on my tan :-), but allegedly
>> there are some relatively pristine salmon rivers just waiting to be
>> fished there. Of course, I don't know how much access would be allowed
>> to foreigners, whether there are guides, etc., but it would be kind of
>> an interesting adjunct to an Alaskan sportfishing trip if the
>> logistics can be worked out...
>
>There are direct flights once weekly (via Aeroflot, of course) between
>Anchorage, and either Magadan or Khabarovsk. It could be both, too,
>considering the amount of visitors we get from Magadan and Khabarovsk.
>
  Alaska Airlines also has route authority for these routes, but only flies
them from June-September.  I've heard the season will be longer in 1993.  I
also remember hearing they will also start serving Vladivostok.

Greg


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From: mendicott@igc.apc.org (Marcus L. Endicott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel Agents Computer Society
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:41:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1460300131:000:271
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mendicott    Dec 15 15:41:00 1992


Do you know anything about the "Travel Agents Computer Society," or
anything similar?  I have an old reference refering to a Donna Burns
as the "head."  Please email ME >mendicott@igc.apc.org< if you have
any information or contacts about this.

Thanx,
- Marcus Endicott
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: eric@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Hirst)
Subject: Re: *So* many ways to do it wrong. (very long)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:01:55 GMT

flag@banco.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Steve Waddell) writes:

>  . . . fall properly - DO NOT GRAB THE ROPE!

Grabbing the rope is often a good idea when falling off a steep sport
climb, since you're probably not wearing a chest harness and you want
to end up more or less right side up.  Of course, there is no reason
to do so until near the bottom of the fall.  Spend the initial moments
concentrating on clearing ledges and protecting vital parts of your
anatomy from untimely mishap.  At the bottom of the fall, one hand on the
tightening rope can be used to stabilize your body position.  The legs and
other arm, spread wide and kept relatively loose, can fend off the rock.
Presence of mind and a good intuitive feel for the way your body behaves
when airborne (best practiced on rope swings over clear sparkling pools)
can make all the difference on relatively short falls.

For longer falls in an alpine setting, flexibility is everything, as it
allows you to roll into a tight ball and kiss your ass goodbye.

>-Steve

Eric Hirst
eric@u.washington.edu
From: vlad@inavia.msk.su (Vladimir D. Korovkin)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Wanted: fax/phone numbers of sport oriented PROMOTION OFFICES 
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 92 13:10:57 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: International Aviation Industry Exchange
Reply-To: vlad@inavia.msk.su

We badly need in relations with any of sport oriented PROMOTION OFFICES
that could find out investors and provide participation of Russian Women's
PRO TEAM in US PRO SKI TOUR. Would you please be kind enough to send us
fax/telephone numbers and addresses of known sport oriented promotion
companies?

Thanks in advance,

Vladimir Korovkin

Deputy Director General
International Aviation Industry Exchange

2, Aviamotornaya st.,
Moscow,111250, Russia

Phone/Fax: +7-(095)-361-6473
email: vlad@inavia.msk.su



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From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Re: helmets
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:56 GMT

60330903@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:

>hey,
> 
>I saw a letter in a "rock and ice" a while back where a guy asked if biking
>helmets would work for climbing.  Probably because of advertising or
>liability, I guess, the ed. didn't really answer. I can imagine a falling
>rock, or a fall onto rock having more impact than what would normally happen
>when biking, but can't imagine it would make much difference at that point.
>what do you people think?  I care for a couple reasons: I already have a bike
>helmet (but not a climbing h.), b. helmets are more comfortable, and it seems
>they are more rigorously tested anyway.
> 
>k. johnson

Climbing helmets are designed to protect for an impact from above (ie
falling rock), but not from the side.  Bike helmets are made to protect
for a side impact, since you will probably slam your head down on its
side, not the very top.  Both helmets will obviously protect both ways to
some degree, but each is better for the purpose that it was designed for. 
Most climbing helmets are tested and certified by the UIAA.  I own both,
but I think that there is some often overlooked value of side protection
in climbing that could be provided by a bike helmet.  

					-David Veale
  
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From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke)
Subject: Re: travel insurance
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:44:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.090911.12052@hellgate.utah.edu> allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
>
>Many insurance companies will not insure "dangerous" activities.  But there
>are many who will, you just have to shop around.  The only company that
>would not insure me was State Farm, however, Blue Cross would.  Most
>insurance companies do not care whether your "injury" occurs in your
>home, or in Mexico (as long as you follow their guidelines which many
>HMO require).
>
>Since you are a Canadian resident you might find it hard to get any
>insurance from a US company.  My suggestion would be to contact CAC or the
>ACC which is now offering rescue insurance.
>

Canadian residents will have insurance from their normal health plan, but
it won't cover the total cost of a U.S. hosipital visit. Extended coverage
from an employers plan will cover the excess, but there is usually a limit,
so you must purchase extra insurance. Those plans probably cover climbing.
If however, you're not under a extended medical plan, then I don't think
you can purchase coverage that will cover climbing since your only option
is general travel insurance. The ACC does cover some things for ACC trips,
but I'm not aware of any coverage for traveling abroad on non ACC trips.

D.  dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: elmar@ocf.berkeley.edu (Elmar Stefke)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: 2-way radios
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:25:13 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Keywords: non-technical solution to 2-way radios

A non-technical solution I've tried, is signaling through rope pulls.  I do
NOT suggest this as a good or safe practice since several problems can arise.
You could pull your partner off the rock (especially a bad choice when he's
leading),  you could work the rope into a crack and get it stuck,  you are
relying on your judgement to correctly interpret the "signals" you're getting,
etc. (I'm pretty sure others could list more potential problems).  However,
it has been done.  A prerequsite is that both climbers know the "code" and
under what circumstances to apply it.  It simplifies things if the leader is
the one who initiates signaling.  It is quite a bit safer and could be 
improved upon with a sequence of double checks.  The bottom line is that it
isn't as good as auditory or even visual cues.  It also takes an inordinate
amount of time, which may well be a factor in a longer climb.
						Elmar Stefke
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: frankpit@eng.umd.edu (Bernard Adrian Frankpitt)
Subject: Re: RP's?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:38:01 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Distribution: na
Originator: frankpit@tesla.src.umd.edu


My experience with rp's is that I have never had a number zero hold a fall. A number one
holds a fall some of the time, number two and up are ok. In the places that I have 
used rp's (mainly basalt) placement is the biggest problem, the small sizes tend to just
pull right through the cracks, although I believe that actually snapping the wire or pulling
it through the brass is also a problem if you can get the things to stay where you put them.
Needless to say I try to avoid taking wingers on the smaller sizes of these things unless
they are reasonably backed up. 

Bernie
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From: Richard.Drapeau@tdkt.kksys.com (Richard Drapeau)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Abseiling
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:48:12 -0600

Would someone post a step-by-step commentary on abseiling:  preferred belay 
devices, rope control, and pitfalls.

richard.drapeau@tdkt.kksys.com
  


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From: dyes@convex.com (Tim Dyes)
Subject: Re: helmets
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:31:32 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale) writes:

>Climbing helmets are designed to protect for an impact from above (ie
>falling rock), but not from the side.  Bike helmets are made to protect
>for a side impact, since you will probably slam your head down on its
>side, not the very top.  Both helmets will obviously protect both ways to
>some degree, but each is better for the purpose that it was designed for. 
>Most climbing helmets are tested and certified by the UIAA.  I own both,
>but I think that there is some often overlooked value of side protection
>in climbing that could be provided by a bike helmet.  

My climbing helmet doubles as my bike helmet.  I think a climbing helmet
would probably be cooler since there's more ciculation room between
head and shell, but I haven't worn a bike helmet so I don't really know.
Regarding side protection, my bike shot out from under me recently on
some wet limestone and I took a good body/head slam on my left side.
The helmet protected me nicely even though it doesn't cover my ears.
Without it I'm sure I would have been hurt, perhaps seriously.

- Tim
From: hallinan@gramian.harvard.edu (Peter W. Hallinan)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: WINTER IN THE WHITE MTNS.
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:10:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.HALLINAN.92Dec18111055
	<1go895INNm12@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
	<1992Dec17.193242.18609@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

Ralph C. Lindenfeld writes:

   In article <1go895INNm12@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
   cbrown@islesboro.East.Sun.COM (Chris Brown - SunSelect Operations)
   writes:

   > Also, a one day ascent of Central Gully on Mt Washington is fun (one pitch grade 1 ice). Stay at Harvard Cabin in Huntington Ravine.

   I just looked up 'central gully' in my White Mountain Guide and topo
   and can't find it. Perhaps you're referring to the 'great gulf'? I'd be
   interested in this spot you're referring to. Maybe you can find the
   trail name this pitch is on?

Your WM guide will list the Huntington's Ravine trail which ascends
the Central Buttress to the right of Central Gully.

BTW, for all the ice-climbers who don't already know, you are very
welcome at the HMC cabin at the base of Huntington's. Cost is $8 is
per night. We provide gas stoves for cooking (bring your own pots), a
wood stove for heat, and even an ensulite donut for the outhouse! The
cabin is manned by caretaker Ted Detmar, who maintains order, keeps
track of the avalanche danger, and occasionally rescues people.

- Peter
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hallinan@hrl.harvard.edu		Harvard University
					Cambridge, MA  02138
From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Death of Pierre Beghin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:41:45 CET
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

I received several replies for the article on the death of Pierre Peghin. 
As I said it was from The Guardian. I found it in their database. Someone 
suggested posting it here in rec.climbing. Beside the fact that it is 
maybe too long there is also the copyright protection. I am not sure how 
this works on this kind of media but I just don't want to run the risk of 
some one suddenly accusing me of posting copyrighted material. 

This of course doesn't mean that I want to start a copyright discussion 
right away because this will mean a discussion with no definite end. 
Remember that this is an International newsgroup.

So all you that will or have received the article from me please refrain 
fromposting it in its entire length here or on in another newsgroup. 
Thanks.


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From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Devils Tower
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:32:19 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <DOUGG.92Dec16093353@kbsw3.kentek.com> dougg@kentek.com (Doug Gerecht 806 1031) writes:
>I've never climbed the Durance (sp?) route.  Many of the routes on the
>tower have bolts at belay stances since there really are FEW ledges.

Maybe its semantics, but having climbed over 30 routes on Devil's Tower,
I would disagree that there are FEW ledges.  I am having a hard time
thinking of any sling belays except for maybe the top of the 1st pitch
of Carol's Crack, maybe the top of the 1st pitch of Soler, and the top
of the second pitch of Mr. Clean.  I have only climbed routes up to
5.11+, or so, there maybe the harder lines are ledgeless.

To the contrary, Devil's Tower has, IMHO, some of the coolest ledges
around!  Because the tower is made up of hexagonal pillars, some of
the belays are on top of broken off pillars and are flat and
roomy.  The best ledge, IMHO, is the top of the 4th pitch of the
McCarthy West Face.  A totally spacious flat pillar top with an
incredible view of the tourons in the parking lot and the Belle Fourche
River in the background!

Ledges abound at Devil's Tower!

Bruce
From: degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu (Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Climbing around JFK Space Center in Florida
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:40:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bmsrs.usc.edu

calexand@agsm.ucla.edu (Craig Alexander) writes:

>In article <1gt94bINNrdi@bmsrs.usc.edu> degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu (Ray) writes:
>>Is there any climbing near JFK Space Center in Florida?
>>

>Climbing in Florida ???  It sure is flat out there.  I'd be surprised
>if there is any climbing.  Maybe you could scale one of the abandoned
>launch towers at the cape :-)

>Craig Alexander

Well, ok not IN Florida, but within several hours drive.  How far is it from
TallaHassee, FL to Tennesse, Kentucy, or any other southern limestone (Wasn't
there an article in Climbing a while ago?). I've never been further south 
than Columbia, NC so I have no idea.


-- 

Ray (DJ) DeGennaro II
degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu
From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Death of Pierre Beghin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:14:39 CET
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

Recently someone posted about the death of Pierre Beghin. The english 
newspaper The Guardian ran an article on the circumstances of his death 
while climbing Annapurna. I have this article in electronic form. People 
who interested can request this article by e-mailing me at 
nicolas@stam.nl


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From: degennar@bmsr8.usc.edu (Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: helmets
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:44:43 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bmsr8.usc.edu

There is one little fact people are forgetting.  Bicycle helmets are intended
for a single use.  In other words, they are designed to absorb ONE serious blow.
When climbing, it is possible to attain several blows.

Second, Bike helmets are designed to absorb impact from a cycling acident.
Mainly front, rear or side blows.  They are not designed to absorb blows from
above (e.g. a rock is dislogded from above)

Ray DeGennaro 
degennar@scf.usc.edu

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degennar@bmsrs.usc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: flag@banco.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Steve Waddell)
Subject: Re: helmets
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:15:35 GMT

In article <168BD35E.60330903@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>, 60330903@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
|> I saw a letter in a "rock and ice" a while back where a guy asked if biking
|> helmets would work for climbing.  Probably because of advertising or
|> liability, I guess, the ed. didn't really answer. I can imagine a falling
|> rock, or a fall onto rock having more impact than what would normally happen
|> when biking, but can't imagine it would make much difference at that point.
|> what do you people think?  I care for a couple reasons: I already have a bike
|> helmet (but not a climbing h.), b. helmets are more comfortable, and it seems
|> they are more rigorously tested anyway.
|>  
|> k. johnson

Sure, go ahead and use the biking helmet. After all, if it doesn't protect
you in a rock fall, your estate can always sue the manufacturer... :) :)

-Steve
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Critters
Summary: other birds!
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:51:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24391
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



	although i wasn't personally involved, i had some friends
practising climbing out of crevasses in the high country in NZ.
every time they left the rope unguarded, a couple of keas
(mountain parrots) would come and nibble at the ropes!
apparently it was less than amusing at the time.
From: jbreslin@cs.strath.ac.uk (John A Breslin IE90)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: munros - Mullach Clach A'Bhlair
Keywords: munros, snow, white-out !!!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:31:43 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: jbreslin@simpson-08


 This will probably be the last munro posting this year. . .

 Mullach Clach A'Bhlair 1019m (3??? feet) - summit of the stone of the plain.

 This munro forms part of the Glen Feshie hills and would be a relatively simple
climb in summer. We set out from Achlean farm and made our way SE bypassing 
point 800 on the map. Then hit the landrover track that takes you to about 0.5km
from the summit. However conditions were fierce at the top. The weather was very
mild low down, but the summit was "snowed up" and "iced over". Low cloud, mist,
and a strong wind - causing spindrift - meant that we were whited-out several times.
However thanks to some excellent point navigation from my partner we hit the
summit on schedule. The original plan was to do Sgor Gaoith as well, but in view
of the weather - couldn't see a bloody thing - we decided to quit while the going
was good.
 This was really the sort of day when if you knew what conditions were going to
be like you would have gone and done something else !!!

                             Happy Christmas folks

                                             John B.


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