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From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven John King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: Re: ERROR: Remote debug server (RDB) not installed.
Keywords: RDB
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:39:56 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: comp.os.vxworks
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.202639.10441@ncar.ucar.edu>, vanandel@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Joe VanAndel) writes:
|> I am trying to build a vxWorks kernel (5.02) with RDB support.  I added the following line 
|> #define INCLUDE_RDB
|> 
|> to config.h
|> for the target I'm building, and re-compiled all the objects.  But when I boot, I get the message:
|> 
|> 0xffea8 (tRootTask): ERROR: Remote debug server (RDB) not installed.

To which they should add the message:

0xf1234 (tRootTask): INFO: Copy the rdb.a from your vxGdb distribution
                     into the appropriate library directory of your vxWorks
                     distribution and rebuild.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Subject: interphase 4211 driver??
Organization: Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
Distribution: comp.os.vxworks
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:55:04 GMT

Does anyone have a driver for the Interphase 4211
FDDI interface. As far as I know WRS are supposed 
to have a driver for free  but I haven't been able
to get hold of it yet. I've got the hardware and
want to get going as quickly as possible.
	If anyone has a copy of the driver which
they can E-mail or give ftp coordinates for that
would be a great help. 

	Thanks,
		Graham Heyes
From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: Re: Best way to implement a task at exactly XX Hertz
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Distribution: comp
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less

In article <MUTS.92Sep15170713@ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl>, muts@fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes:
# As the subject says, I wonder what the best way is to implement a task
# which must run at precise time intervals.

[...]

# Say I want to run at exactly 20 Hz:
# - use a special timer task with top priority
# - make it do: 1) taskDelay for 49 ms (a bit less than 50)
#               2) poll until tickGet is modulo 50 ms
#               3) give a semafore that the periodic job is pending on.
# 
# This way I always immediately run when the 50ms mark is passed; but
# still I think it is clumsy that I cannot set a timer to expire in 1
# process which then sleeps until it expires.
# 
# Any improvements/ideas welcomed,

Howzabout a watchdog timer?  If you don't want your 50Hz code to run
at interrupt level, have the watchdog call a routine that gives a
semaphore that your task is pending on.

-- 
J H Woodyatt
Space Systems/Loral

"there's a lot going on that you miss. nothing soft about THESE
machines. mean, timeless, mean, purposeful, crammed with meaning."
                                                  -- Andrew Palfreyman
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: Re: 167BUG Diagnostics and VxWorks
Keywords: 167BUG, VxWorks, Diagnostics
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: comp.os.vxworks
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.085304.19546@icf.hrb.com>, r2c@icf.hrb.com (Robert J. Cole) writes:
 
|> 	I am attempting to write c diagnostic routines for the Motorola
|> 167 board to run in vxWorks.  The Motorola 167BUG firmware exists on the
|> board and on power-up, boots and passes control to vxWorks.  167BUG
|> exists in the first two PROMS and VxWorks in the second set.  VxWorks
|> boot ok in this configuration.  The intention is to run the user diagnostic 
|> routines on the 167 board which will make use of the resident Motorola 
|> diagnostic routines already in ROM, however this effort seems to be rife
|> with difficulty.	
|> 	
|> 	Has anyone done anything similar to what I am attempting and is
|> able to offer any advice?

I helped someone do similar work on a Force CPU-30.  We obtained the
CPU-30 diagnostics that Force uses in manufacturing.  They were written
in motorola assembler, so we converted them to use the as syntax.

What we did was link romInit() at a different address.  At the address that
romInit() used to live, the diagnostic routines were placed.  The diagnostics
transferred control to romInit() upon completion.

Another method is to allow VxWorks to initialize the hardware and call
the diagnostic routine immediately after sysHwInit().  Of course, you
won't be able to run write/read memory tests where VxWorks lives, and
you won't be able to mess with any hardware registers that were previously
initialized.  It's much easier to develop code using this method, and
you simply have to link it in with bootrom.hex (or whatever ROM version
you build).  Also, when you deploy a system and a "real" version of
VxWorks lives in all the ROMs you can easily link in the diagnostics
with this larger version of VxWorks.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: lacy@draper.com (Carl Lacy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: interphase 4211 driver??
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:50:35 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.16
Originator: daemon@vxw.ee.lbl.gov


   Yes, AP Labs sells one.  I've been working with it for several weeks
and after some confusion, porting, and debugging it appears to be working.
(At least on a MVME167 with 5.0.2).

   However, there is a pesky license issue, or I would be happy to email you
a copy of it.  The following is from their user's guide cover page;  give
them a call and see what you can work out.


					Good luck,

					Carl Lacy,  MS 3F
					Charles Stark Draper Laboratory
					555 Technology Square
					Cambridge, Mass.   02139
					   (617) 258-3228
					   (617) 258-1880 (fax)
					   lacy@coyote.draper.com
				




                         AP Labs User's Guide for the
                      Interphase V/FDDI 4211 Peregrine
                            VxWorks Device Driver

                       Document #: VS-DRV-FDDI4211-1.0
                              September 20. 1991


                                 Prepared By:

                    Advanced Processing Laboratories, Inc.
                              6215 Ferris Square
                         San Diego, California 92121
                                (619) 546-8626
From: pdw@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Patrick D. Wolf)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: DOS free space
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:57:30 -0400
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.16
Originator: daemon@vxw.ee.lbl.gov


Does anybody have a nifty way for determining the free space left on a DOS
file system disk? 
Thanks in advance,`
Patrick Wolf
pdw@sunbar.mc.duke.edu
Duke University Medical Center
919-660-5114
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
Subject: Re: Fortran compiler
From: els@icf.hrb.com (Eric L. Schott)
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:26:52 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <9209081655.AA16599@csd.nad.northrop.com>, chip@csd.nad.northrop.com (Peter Ross) writes:
>
> I need a fortran cross compiler for my Sun sparc to Mc680x0 (at least 68030)
> that is compatible with vxworks. I'd appreciate any info on where I might
> obtain one. Thanks 

An approach I have not tried, but which MAY be viable is to get the
GNU Fortran (now in alpha) and build it as a cross compiler.
-- 

Eric L. Schott,    HRB Systems, Inc.    814/238-4311     els@icf.hrb.com
  "As we acquire more knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible
   but more mysterious."                  Albert Schweitzer, "Paris Notes"
Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
From: scoob@bnr.ca (Christian Marcotte)
Subject: Re: DOS free space
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:21:19 GMT

In article <9209092057.AA15841@pat.mc.duke.edu> pdw@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Patrick D. Wolf) writes:
>
>Does anybody have a nifty way for determining the free space left on a DOS
>file system disk? 


Use ioctl on with:
	FIONFREE:      Return amount of free space on volume.

This will return the number of bytes free based on the number for free 
clusters in the FAT.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.vxworks
From: gcall@systemname.uucp (Glen Call)
Subject: Re: 167BUG Diagnostics and VxWorks
Originator: gcall@
Keywords: 167BUG, VxWorks, Diagnostics
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:58:27 GMT


>	I am attempting to write c diagnostic routines for the Motorola
>167 board to run in vxWorks.  The Motorola 167BUG firmware exists on the
>board and on power-up, boots and passes control to vxWorks.  167BUG
>exists in the first two PROMS and VxWorks in the second set.  VxWorks
>boot ok in this configuration.  The intention is to run the user diagnostic 
>routines on the 167 board which will make use of the resident Motorola 
>diagnostic routines already in ROM, however this effort seems to be rife
>with difficulty.	
>	
>	Has anyone done anything similar to what I am attempting and is
>able to offer any advice?
> 
>Rob Cole.  r2c@icf.hrb.com
From: lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay)
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Sep4.215455.5222
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:
>In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>>
>>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
>>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
>>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.
>>
>
>I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
>this for a few months).
>
>                   Scott

Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
do not have these rings...

So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
density disks?

-Lawrence LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: donm@crash.cts.com (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Western Digital....
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 08 Sep 92 10:39:33 PDT

 
Western Digital
    Technical support: (800) 832-4778, 7am--5pm Pacific time, Mon-Fri.
 
    BBS (714) 756-1234 [2400-8N1]
        (714) 753-1068 [9600-8N1]
        Contains copies of most of their documentation.
 

Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: andrewp@itwhy.bhp.com.au (Andrew Prusek)
Subject: Wanted CPM Emulator
Followup-To: comp.os.cpm
Organization: BHP Information Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:59:51 GMT

Hello all:

Does anyone know of a CPM emulator so I can run CPM80 on platforms
that are not of the 8080 family.

I know of one for 8086 machine running DOS but am looking for one that runs
either on Macintosh computers or Unix boxes.

Why? Because I have some CPM software that I run now and again but my
Z80 computer is getting old and tired (Drive problems, blown power supplies
etc etc).

Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Andrew

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Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: gratclif@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory W Ratcliff)
Subject: Re: CP/M make utility
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes:
>dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes:
>> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
>> not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
>> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
>> current.
>> 
>> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
>> include a make utility.
>
>Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA.
>As I recall, it had a "make" utility.
>
>It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines.
>I played with it for a while, and it's great!
>(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS).
>
>Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy
>--
> Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
> ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
> ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.

I've got a copy of C/80 with the mathpack
for $30.00, I'll pay shipping in the US.
It works great, but we went to Archimedes tools at work.  I used
it on  a pc with z80mu.  A great combination.  You can single step
the code and debug without an ice.

Gregory W. Ratcliff
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Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
Keywords: CP/M,MS-DOS,conversion,format,disk
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> opalka@atom.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka) writes:
>|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
>|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
>|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
>|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
>|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
>|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
>|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
>|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.

>I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use 
>a communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be 
>easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. 

I've written Yet Another CP/M disk conversion for the PC which I think is
pretty keen.  It installs as a device driver instead of being run as a
standalone program so you can manipulate files right off your CP/M floppy
instead of copying them to an MS-DOS disk first.  The drive letter it gives
you can be accessed like any MS-DOS drive, but reading your CP/M disk.  
This would be especially handy when you're running a CP/M emulator like Z80MU
or looking at dBase files.  It is limited to reading only.

I'm finishing up the documentation now, so I'll have a beta test version
ready Real Soon Now.  If you're interested in beta testing this program
(called CP/M Reader), let me know and I'll send you a copy when it's ready.
It currently has about 40 or 50 different disk formats built-in, so it 
should work on just about any 512 byte per sector MFM format disk.  I only
have my own computer to test it on, so I can only say that Superbrain disks
work like a charm (except for my disk alignment problem, grrr).

I'll post a notice here when it's out of beta test.

>>> Dan
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From: PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg")
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Message for Bill Vermillion
Date: 7 Sep 92 07:03:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 12:26:54 IST

Bill,
I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was
to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of
the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of
a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in
working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif.
outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this
list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking
sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place).
My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not
say take...) any offer!
                       Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il
                                    ^^
                                    \\--two ZEROES please
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:51:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:

>Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
>having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
>do not have these rings...

>So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
>for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
>density disks?

Hub rings have nothing to do with the density, capacity, etc.

The reason hub rings are not needed on the high-density drives, is that
the drive spins on inserting the disk.  The hub motion is
self-centering because of the rotation.

The older designed drives, the full-height ones, used varying tapers on
the clamping cones.   These drives did NOT rotate upon insertion, and
the hub rings were the added re-inforcment to keep the center holes of
the disks from crimping.

You could really crunch the older disks too, as the drive was done via
a belt and you could really get some torque going in comparison to the
direct drive units.

I had disks (in the 1979/80) era that would spin in the full height
drives, but would not in the half-height direct drive units.


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:31:25 GMT
Reply-To: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Just to be nit-picky  :-)  720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density,
though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!!  The drives/disks are
DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density
drive/disk.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)
From: dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough)
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:54:25 GMT
Organization: The Internet

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) asks:
> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
> It seems since the media is the same, it should work.

Not quite. There *IS* a difference in media between IBM 1.2 meg
disks and IBM 360K disks / Quad density 720K disks. If you don't
believe me, try taking a 360K disk, and formatting it to 1.2 megs.
OTOH, as has been noted you can format 360K disks to 720K (or even
800K) in an IBM 1.2 meg drive: I have a couple of utilities to do
this, and use the 800K format for all my archival backups. It
provides by far and away the best cost per megabyte: 25 cents for
800K works out to about 32 cents per megabyte.
     dg
---
 + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Most GUI's I've seen are pretty gooey
From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:21:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is
single density. A standard PC floppy controller probably won't
read a single density track, since that pin on the controller is
not connected to anything. On the 22DISK DOCUMENTATION near the
back, it's explained how to modify a card to read single density.
With this modification, I've been able to read single density Osborne
and Heathkit diskettes.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 02:35:04 GMT

Just as a possible irrelevant question:  Can something like this
system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible?
-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: babb@cfaitamp2.harvard.edu (James ..-. Babb)
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
Subject: simtel *.?z? files
Keywords: cpm
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT
Organization: Inst. for Theoretical Atomic and Molecular Physics


On simtel in the pd:<cpm> directories there are a lot
of files with names of the form *.?z?  (for example,
*.azm, *.izf, *.tzf, etc.)

I presume this is some sort of packed file.
If this is true, could someone tell me what the
unpacker program is? I am using CP/M 2.2G.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Babb
babb@cfa.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Message for Bill Vermillion
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:00:06 GMT

In article <9209070703.AA25333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes:
>Bill,
>I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was
>to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of
>the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of
>a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in
>working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif.
>outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this
>list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking
>sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place).
>My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not
>say take...) any offer!
>                       Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il
>                                    ^^
>                                    \\--two ZEROES please

Sorry to use the net to reply, but my mail to you bounced.  I was
forwarded the message.

Locally Jim Smith has a pair of Lobo's and does have a hard drive on at
least one of them.  He should be able to help you out.

Address him as   js@tous.oau.org

Try mailing me at bill.vermillion@oau.org.  If that get's through we
will have to look at the local aliasing, and then I'll send you more
info.



-- 
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                - bill@bilver.uucp 
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