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From: kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning)
Subject: River Phoenix (was Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:44:10 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Atlanta

In <1992Nov19.114317.22995@aber.ac.uk> mut@aber.ac.uk (Michael O Thomas) writes:

>In article <BxntyC.LAI@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning) writes:
>>In <mattm-121192133042@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>>certainly changed my mind.  Though I hated the movie (to be
>>>honest, I didn't even finish it...), I though Reeves was
>>>positively *yummy* in Private Idaho.  Of course, so was
>>>Phoenix.  
>>
>>>To *die* for...
>>
>>Phoenix is ALWAYS *POSITIVELY* *YUMMY*!!

>   In the new Kenneth Brannaugh film "Peters Friends" Peter, the bisexual,
>celibate lead character, is explaining his sexual status to an old female
>friend who has just sexually propositioned him;

>   "I assure you if this wasn't the case, you'd be right up there on my
>wish list, along with Michelle Phieffer (sp?) and Rivers Phoenix".
				^^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^
                       Michelle Pfeiffer           River Phoenix

>   Btw this film was great, it comes out in America sometime in December
>and you should all go and see it.

>Mike.
>(Doing his bit for the failing British film industry).

Well, it's sure good to see that River at least has some sort of name
recognition outside of the U.S., and not only that but is an object of
a movie's male lead character's sexual fantasies.

P.S.: I have seen Kenneth Brannaugh's Dead Again and was quite
impressed with the movie.  I have taped Henry V but have not yet taken
the time to see it.

P.P.S: I just finally had to change the subject line from "Sucking on
Keanu Reeves" since we are no longer talking about him, although I
certainly thought that, if nothing else, it was an attention grabber.

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From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sam Nunn (was Sam Num sucks and not well either)
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:40:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <cornell.722032241@vivaldi>, cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.) writes:
> 
[about Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Georgia), one of a parade of hawks who threw cold
water on President-elect Clinton's plan to lift the ban on gays in the
military:]
> 
> What exactly did Sam Nunn say?  On news reports, I keep hearing reference
> to something he said about a problem with privacy protection if the
> military ban were lifted.  What is the problem he stated?
> 
> --- Cornell
> 

My memory is not my most reliable ally, but I'll try to paraphrase what he
said to Bob Schieffer on last Sunday's _Face The Nation_.

The gist of Sen. Nunn's worries is that in an organization that requires its
members to spend virtually their entire time together in close quarters (i.e.,
barracks), the presence of openly gay personnel would lead to other (non-gay)
personnel fearing that their personal [read: sexual] privacy would be
violated [by the gay personnel], thus heightening intra-unit tension and
lowering morale.

This is merely the kindergentler version of an old canard from the Dark Ages
that was given full voice by Gen. Somebodyorother, USA (Ret.), on _This Week
with David Brinkley_ that same day.  (The general in question served as head
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff several Presidents ago.)  To wit [again, a para-
phrase]:  "Once those queers get into the military, next thing you'll know,
they'll be convertin' our fine red-blooded young men over to their preverted
"lifestyle" and chasin' after any free [ass/cock -- your choice] what ain't
covered!"

Surprise of the day:  *George Will* actually challenged some of this guy's
assumptions on the show.  (He did the same to the guest who spoke in favor
of the move as well -- perhaps he was playing professor that day.)
__________________________________________________________________________
Sandy F. Smith, Jr. _____________>>New address: sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
 
"I doubt [the prospect of gays in the military] will have that much effect
on the rank-and-file.  After all, if we wanted our troops to have opinions
on these matters, we would issue them."
--Unnamed Pentagon official to a _Los Angeles Times_ reporter, as quoted in
  _Au Courant_, November 17, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:00:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184447.111980@zeus.calpoly.edu> dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
>	   It's very possible that the reason the large towns
>	and ski areas took such strong action against CO2, and
>	voted against it is BECAUSE they feared a boycott.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this point of view. Prior
to the election, no one even believed that #2 could pass. All the polls
showed it failing (presumably because many supporters were ashamed to
admit it). There was no reason to fear consequences from something
no one believed could happen.

The statewide boycott idea is an emotional response. Hurt the innocent
along with the guilty and tough luck. About as silly as protesting at
state Democratic party headquarters on election night, as if they had
anything to do with it passing (the Dems officially OPPOSED Amendment 2). 
Believe me, I can understand the frustration that the gays must be
feeling, but lashing out against the most convenient target, without
regard for whether hurting that target will really help the cause, is
not the way to get this thing reversed.

--Greg
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:14:48 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Mike Hennahane lies through his teeth:
[...]

>Of course, reverting to twisting other people's words is
>something that is easy to resort to when you don't have an
>argument that can stand by itself.

so what is selectively taking things out of articles with no
context, george? (or apparently without reading the article)

--mike
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Oprah 11/19
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.191528.2610@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>I caught the second half of today's Oprah, which was about LBG people
>and their relationships with their parents.  It was pretty good.  I
>post this, however, to note that it turns out that Oprah's
>transcripts are no longer done by Colorado company Journal Graphics
>but by another company which is in New Jersey.  I believe that this
>has been the case for quite some time, not as a result of CO2.
>-Tina M. Wood
> maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
> maire@drycas.bitnet
>

But "Donahue" probably still DOES get its transcripts from JG.
Given his support of glb issues, I would suggest a writing campaign
to remind him of this and insisting he switch to another transcript
company.  Now, legal eagles out there, what if he has a contract
with them?  Don't know Donahue's address, but his fax number is
(212) 757-5386.
 
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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Randy Shilts's New Book
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:04:09 GMT


From Esther B. Fein's "Book Notes" column in today's
(11/18/92) New York Times:

    St. Martin's Press has announced that it will publish a
    book by Randy Shilts, the author of the 1987 best seller
    "And the Band Played On," about the history of
    homosexuality in the United States armed forces.
    "Conduct Unbecoming:  Gays and Lesbians in the U.S.
    Military" is to be published in May.  President-elect
    Bill Clinton has said that ending the military's ban on
    homosexuals will be one of the top priorities of his
    administration.
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From: excited@med.unc.edu (Wally German)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:20:04 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology


Let's see......there's a Lesbian cousin and aunt (both sides of family) 
then there's the 3....THREE....great uncles (both on my grandfather's and
grandmother's sides).  

I haven't been able to glean much information from my Granny concerning
the 3 never-married-men who died when they were in their 80's and were
always living with the same male 'roommate'.  She was cute one time though
when she told me about one of them (her favorite).  She was quick to throw
in that 'he liked girls'.  *sigh*  It was another time another set of
rules or.....wait.....was it?!
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: I Went to _Dracula_ and it Wasn't Very Good
Keywords: WINONA!!! (but nothing else of interest)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:46:52 GMT

Spoilers. Not that there's anything to ruin...

Went to see it tonight. This is one of those rare movies I really
got excited about, because it took Winona (definitely one of my
favorite actors) and put her in a role unlike any other she'd
done before. I was hoping she'd prove herself wonderful, and show
that her range went beyond the wry troubled teen type. She was
really good, and I was very glad.
But the rest of the movie really sucked eggs. I've been reading
the original version, and have been enjoying it immensely, but it's
been destroyed by whoeverthefuckdirectedit. It didn't go anywhere;
it was just a confusing mix of sex, period stuff, and comedy. No
blend, and (what really surprised me) no suspense or horror. And
the romance between Mina and Dracula was a really cheap ripoff of
Anne Rice. Bleah, bleah, bleah.
Liked Dracula's hair in the beginning, though, and the youthful
Dracula (with those really twee blue sunglasses), the American
suitor (who I just *knew* would be offed), and the sanitarium
suitor (goatee! Whee!) were all cute.
Keanu was really sad (Look! I have an accent and can pretend to
be dignified! Yay!!!), and it was really tacky to make Lucy a
slut from the start and to make the female vamps such sluts
from hell (though their emergence from the bed was really cool)
was to beat people over then head with the sexual overtones
just a tad too much (and the bare breasts everywhere were just
not right. Vampires aren't sexy for their killer bods, and
they're not to appear human, and to show them with funparts is
to make them appear a lot more common than they are). And they
made Dracula a *fool*; how could he have survived for 400 years
if he kept accidentally making supernatural things happen? Part
of the creepiness of the story is the supernatural existing in
a purely modern world, and you'd think from watching the humans
just accept all this illogic happening that Industry was just a
diversion from voodoo. Really really bad.

In short, go if you admire Winona (and who doesn't?), but don't
go if you're an admirer of the original work.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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From: dickerso@fester.dell.com (Russell Dickerson - X2787)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: dickerso@cpat.stortek.com
Organization: IO SpecialistsConsulting

gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>Look at Phoenix. They lost a lot of trade over the MLK day.

I think you're deceiving yourself if you think that any boycott about amendment
2 has the same clout as MLK day.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:09:51 GMT

In article <45986@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark
Morrissey) writes:

>hmmm.  The encapsulation may prove tricky, however, as Kinsey UNIX
>Version 6 has hard interfaces.

The interface to Madonna is not that hard in Version 6, so don't
sweat it.


-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.movies
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Sandra Bernhard - Without you I'm nothing (Was: visibility)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:26:23 GMT

bdcrafto@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Crafton) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.011411.11469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>>Re: Roseanne, does anyone know if Sandra Bernhard's movie _Without
>>You I'm Nothing_ is out on tape yet?  It was supposed to be released
>>last year, but our friendly neighborhood video parlour said release
>>had been delayed, no reason given.  I know it crops up on Showtime
>>now and again, but we get Cinemax.
>>--Michael

>It's been out for some time on video.  A MUST SEE if you haven't seen it!

It's an interesting "standup" movie: Sandra's act is broken up
with footage of a stripper "Shisonna" (pronounced to sound like
Madonna) and several pretentious interludes with a female model.

But if you watch the movie -- which is worth seeing -- then listen
to the tapes first. The stylised production doesn't really lend 
itself to "getting" jokes: you'll laugh, but you'll laugh a hell
of a lot more if you don't have to stretch to understand the humour.

>Unfortunately, the Compact Disc soundtrack of the stage show has been
>deleted :-(  <actually, I think the record label it was on went under>.
>It supposedly has songs and monologues that never made it to the
>movie.

From memory, the movie doesn't include the "White Christmas" sketch,
where Sandra plays the part of the elder sister in an all-American
family. ("Oh, Chip - you're so cute! I wish you weren't my brother so
I could fuck you!")

It also doesn't include the Nuclear Apocolypse fantasy. Sandra imagines
herself one of the survivors of a nuclear holocaust ("only the toughest
have survived. Tina Turner is with us"). Madonna has also survived,
but Sean [Penn] is dead. The routine ends with: "That's my most recent 
nuclear holocaust fantasy, and my favourite to date."

The movie also misses "Women of rock and roll," where Sandra and
Stevie Nicks form a lasting bond, and a few other routines, including
an audience abuse session. Frankly, the movie's good, but the 
record is much funnier.

>Anyone have a copy they are willing to sell??  

No way, man. I've only got the tape, and I still listen to it.

[Btw, this has been Xposted to rec.arts.movies]

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
And what of culture? What about progress in literature and the arts?
What do we have to show for this last fifteen minutes?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:46:47 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1e5s9hINN2kl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:

   autochthonous impulses and mental and/or emotional constructs, which, 
   pending specifics, is mumbo-jumbo.

autochthonous?  Say what?

I gotta turn in my Intellectual Elite membership card...

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:44:16 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Nov18.230922.8206@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:

>  Speaking of fair-weather gay-rights activists...

>   Notice how the strongest supporters of boycotting Colorado live outside the
>state? A boycott is a very easy thing to talk about when it doesn't impact your
>everyday lives, isn't it?

And it's easy for people who aren't affected by Amendment #2 to claim
that people should be more moderate.

>   What should those of us who live here do? "Suffer for the cause?" I voted
>against #2. That about the extent of my political power. I would love to starve
>to ensure that it's overturned, but unfortunately idealistic wishes sometimes
>have to take a back seat to reality.
>   Why don't you "boycott Colorado" people get of your moral high-horses and
>face the facts: you are ALIENATING people like me who were (and in a sense
>still are) loyal to this cause, but are fast becoming disenchanted by your
>short-sighted tactics.

One wonders if the Allies should not have invaded Germany for fear of
alienating the Germans who were anti-Nazi.

What *would* you have people do?

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: na,uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:57:05 GMT

scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) wrote: 
->Hmmm.  I'm left to wonder why he seems to display his body at every
->opportunity.  Maybe his gay audiences are taking their cues from him
->and that caught him by surprise.

you call them calvins; we call 'em marketing ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: CO-2
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:05:24 GMT

In <1992Nov17.231438.905@wam.umd.edu> corydin@wam.umd.edu (Tim Lachine) writes:

>I don't get it, what does carbon dioxide have to do with being gay?

   Please tell me you are joking..........
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1dp84bINN550@mizar.usc.edu>
	<CORWIN+.92Nov11120016@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<1992Nov11.194032.11159@spdcc.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.194032.11159@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

   In article <CORWIN+.92Nov11120016@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
   >I find the implication that it is OK to force someone to deny their
   >sexuality repugnant, and that is what I view as going on in Drama.

   Insisting that someone suppress fey mannerisms in a role which doesn't
   call for it is "forcing someone to deny their sexuality"?  Weird.

I wasn't talking about "in a role."

   Let's turn this around and focus on the real issues.  How "mannered"
   were these individuals who were dismissed from the department?

I don't understand the question.  Do you mean what type of mannerisms
did they display?

Scott
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: harvey@phoenix.princeton.edu (Harvey Cohen)
Subject: Love and Joy - New Jersey
Organization: Geology Dept., Princeton Univ.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:46:58 GMT


The Delaware Valley Men's Chorus 
   Clifford Parrish, Music Director

           presents

***LOVE AND JOY COME TO YOU***

        A Holiday Concert
***********************************

Friday December 4, 1992 --  8 pm

Princeton United Methodist Church
(Corner of Nassau and Vandeventer Sts.
         Princeton, NJ)

Tickets:   $10
Call (609) 924-7163 for ticket information
For Internet info: harvey@phoenix.princeton.edu

DVMC is a proud member of GALA, the Gay 
and Lesbian Association of Choruses
-------------------------------------------------------------
 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Greg Parkinson (was Marky Mark & Calvin Klein after being Scott Masden)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Distribution: na,uk
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:07:09 GMT


In article <thaaang.722488488@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
|> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
|> 
|> >glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> > >I of course spent part of my upbringing in beautiful
|> > >Lousiana - the northern white-trash part - so I have
|> > >an accent that *comes back*, not one that I acquire.
|> > >I do, however, give other indications of my sluttiness.
|> 
|> >Ah, if only I were male, gay, and single.
|> >Or maybe any one of the above.
|> 
|> I'm *all* *three*!
|> 
|> <<<flutter>>>
|> 
|> Oh, Greggie...

Well, I'll head this off by noting that only two
of the three apply to me.

I should also make clear that (relentless flirt that
I am) Dave and I have no explicit agreement committing
us to monogamy - it's just that other than a 3-way or
two it's how things have for the most part worked out.

Besides, John, I might accidentally crush you, big
lumbering thing that I am.  

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.