From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:11:12 GMT

In article <2A953116.14501@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle
Moore) wrote:
> 
> All right, thanks to many of you for emailing and posting about my
> summary.  This is what I've got now, any other comments?
> I'm still unclear on two things.
> 
> First, I understand how reserve works, up to a point.  What if the
> disqualified dog went BOB?  How do they figure in the replacement?

Hmmmmm......good question !!  It has to have happened !!!

> 
> Second, I'm not clear on where the specials compete.  I thought that
> they tried for WD/WB, but from the way the points are set up, it looks
> more like they compete directly for BOB/BOS.

*AFTER* all of the regular classes (Puppy, Novice, Ambred, Bred-by & Open -
Dogs
and Bitches) have competed for WD and WB *THEN* All of the specials
(Champions of 
record) and WD and WB enter the ring to compete for BOB, BOW and BOS. 

Champions of record are not competing for points (except as someone pointed
out, several organizations keep track of points for BOB and BOS for
calculating
the top dogs and bitches of the different breeds).  

*IF* a class dog (which would be WD or WB as they are the only class dogs
in 
the ring at this point) takes BOB the number of specials of both sexes are
added 
to the number of dogs or bitches that dog or bitch beat in the classes and
that 
number is looked up on the schedule of points for whatever region the show
is held 
in and the number of points is determined.

*IF* a class dog (WD or WB) is awarded BOS over specials of its own sex,
then
the number of specials of *its own sex only* are added to the number of
dogs
or bitches they defeated in the classes and the schedule of points is
consulted.........


> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> BEGIN EXCERPT
> 
> A Champion must obtain 15 points.  Of those 15 points, two majors (a
> show where 3, 4, or 5 points are won) must be obtained under two
> different judges.  The remaining points can come from 1 or 2 (or
> more!) point shows; at least one of these must be from a third judge.
> A dog must win at least the Winners Dog (WD) or Winners Bitch (WB) to
> get points.  So even if your dog wins a class, you don't get points.

How about "you don't *necessarily* get points (as from winning your
class you may go on to take the points).

[.......]
> A short chart:
> 
>                      Best of Breed (points toward CH from largest group of
>                            |        of either sex of class dogs including
>                            |        all specials)
>                            |
>                    Best of Opposite Sex (points toward CH from largest group
>                            |             of either sex of class dogs plus
>                            |             specials of same sex)
>                            |
>                      Best of Winners   (points toward CH from largest group
>                                         of either sex of class dogs)
>                       /           \
>               Winner's dog    Winner's bitch   (points towards CH from
>                                                 same sex group)
>                /                           \
>    (first in each class advances to Winner's competition; specials
>     compete for Winner's dog or Winner's bitch directly)
>            Open class                  Open class
>            American Bred               American Bred
>            Bred by Exhibitor           Bred by Exhibitor
>            Novice                      Novice
>            Dogs (12-18 mo.)            Bitches (12-18 mo.)
>            Puppy dogs (9-12 mo.)       Puppy bitches (9-12 mo.)
>            Puppy dogs (6-9 mo.)        Puppy bitches (6-9 mo.)
> 

Just a note so that some are not further confused:  I am fairly sure the 
12 - 18 class can only be offered only at specialties (Regional or
National).  
The other split of the puppy class (6 - 9 and 9 - 12) is at the choice of
the 
club giving the show.  Most clubs (in my area anyway) do *not* offer the
puppy 
class as a split class.

Adding another point of confusion here, don't forget there are also classes
for 
Veteran Dogs and Veteran Bitches.  :-)

Hope I didn't confuse people any more !!
Kathy
--------------------------------
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Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"