From: jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Creationists
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:57:51 GMT

)In article <1992Aug24.202953.2120@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> tcanham@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
)
)Creationism is for people who haven't spent seven years of their life
)involved in the evolution problem.  Any non-lunatic in the geological
)field (I *will* stand by that slam) will tell you that it is guaranteed
)that evolution has occurred.  There are problems in defining the rates
)of evolution, over the past 600 million years, but not that it has
)occurred.  The evidence for evolution is the geologic record.  If you

The only thing that the geologic record shows, is that the Earth has been
here for awhile.  It does not prove nor disprove evolution.  Albeit, it
(geologic record) cannot prove nor disprove creation.

)haven't looked at it, you are ignorant of how it was deciphered, as my
)wife was (and she has a MS in Physics).  The whole science of geology,
)determining which rocks are older, and how they were made, was defined
)on the gradual changes (evolution) seen in the fossils of the rocks.

All that the changes in the rocks proves adaptability in animals.  It cannot
prove evolution on a world-wide, multi-animal, multi-environment scale.
Have geologists found any proof of this?

)Evolution was obvious from the start.  Only decades later were we able

I really don't think so.  MANY people didn't grasp Darwins' Theorys at first.
Even the school system, which (is supposed to) teach(es) fact, didn't accept
Darwin's Theory until they lost a court case which 'forced' evolution into
the school system.

)to put a time scale on it using nuclear "clocks".  The fact that we
)don't see all the intervening steps in every branch of evolution of
)every creature doesn't mean that it didn't happen, any more than
)figuring that the world fades out of existence every time you go to
)sleep since you can't observe and experience it.

I guess you have to have faith to believe then.

)   Personally, I believe in evolution, but consider it possible
)(tolerance of other views--makes me a liberal I guess) that God exists
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I must disagree with this, IN-tolerance is held for much of the liberal stands.
Take homosexuality rights, murde--abortion rights, etc.
They try to shut up ANYONE who opposes them ...

)and took a special interest in our species and may have short-circuited
)evolution to create us.  I do believe that it is much more elegant to
)think that He created a universe 15 Billion years ago knowing that it
)would eventually lead to "us", certainly most fundamentalists would
)believe that this is not too much to ask of an ALL-POWERFUL, ALL-KNOWING
)God.

Then why would He want to wait?  If I was doing this (creation stuff), I
would want to get to the 'fun' stuff first.  I wouldn't want to watch algae
grow.

)      In my opinion, people are creationists because they want to be
)told what to think by the church, thinking for yourself is much to
)dangerous.

Let alone others.  At least the Church has a semi-standard set of views.
(Note:  Church refers to Judism and Christianity only)

-Lee.

One more note, this topic is moot.  Who really cares how the Earth was made.
I don't.  Also, I'm not going to radically change anyones mind by this article,
nor is anyone going to change my views on this topic.  And, this topic is
circular, meaning that I can prove something, you prove something that disproves
my thing and I prove something that disproves your thing, and so on ... until
we're at the beginning again.


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