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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:25:09 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

> In our area there are almost no foster care providers who take teens.  The
> teens end up in group homes or back home with abusive parents.  Often the
> kids end up bouncing back and forth between the foster homes and the parents.
> 
> Counciling is provided free for distressed families but the problems in many
> families is so bad that no amount of counciling would help.  
> 
> Most of the kids I see in our area are not from extremely poor families, but
> from working class or middle class families that are extremely dysfunctional.
> Sad to say, abuse is not tied to poverty or lack of money.

Here in Spokane, we have a majority of a pre-teen placements, but there are
a significant number of teen placements as well. We find that abuse knows no
fiscal boundaries --abused children come from the spectrum of poor through
well-to-do. Neglect cases, however, remain chiefly associated with poverty,
and are exaserbated by drug use in the home.

As Sue states, foster parents receive monies slightly elevated from standard
welfare amounts, but not by much. A family with two kids in residence gets
about 3 1/2 to 4 thousand dollars a year.

The number of people willing to be foster parents is way too low, and CPS
usually has to go begging to get quality people. (Even in their need, they
are pretty picky about who they'll take on).

What often happens will be a placement into extended family, and close
monitoring of the circumstances. This does raise the workload of the case
workers, but they do pretty well on the whole. (I say this speaking from
the position of someone whose job it is to make sure they do the Right
Thing (tm) by the kids.) 

Washington also provides case services. They coordinate assistance from
private and church organizations and other state agencies. What's kind
of interesting is that the more affluent the parent in a case is, the
less willing they are to participate in these services. I'll let a soc-
iologist figure out why, I just know it happens. Related is the fact
that there are fewer case reopenings with the poorer people. I say it's
related because I *suspect* that the extension services have a good
impact, and are taken advantage of predominantly by the poor.

--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: smudd@vstn1.math.uoknor.edu (stephanie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Clothes-800 number
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:57:00 GMT
Organization: Mathematics Computer Network, University of Oklahoma
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



I think I saw a post about a maternity clothes catalog that had a 800 number. 
Would someone mind reposting that number or emailing it to me.  I would
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Stephanie
smudd@nsfuvax.math.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Do dcotors still spank newborns?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:40:11 GMT

In article <Bz9ouB.Ips@inews.Intel.COM>, vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
|> My girlfriend and I were talking a few days ago and she asked if I had a
|> preference as to whether or not I wanted my baby spanked after birth.  I
|> had just assumed that doctors are no longer performing this practice as
|> no one seems to comment on it.  Is this an outdated practice or do doctors
|> still do this?  If so, is it really necessary?
|> 

Not that I know of...  As far as my experience and knowledge,
they don't do this anymore.

Leigh Ann
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pacifier Usage?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:37:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Dec11.183710.17498
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

In article <1g87m6INN5m6@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>|> 
>|> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>|> |> There's been all this debate over when to take a pacifier away.  My
>|> |> question regards proper pacifier use, if there is such a thing.
>|> 
>
>It's important that the baby be able to fall asleep without the pacifier. 
>Otherwise, a lost pacifier in the night means you have to get up to help 
>the child fall asleep again. Nursing a child to sleep every single time is 
>a worse mistake. Half the time is fine, but every single time is setting 
>yourself up for trouble when the child awakens during the night. 
>
>Paula Burch

That is my question--my baby WON'T ever go to sleep without the pacifier.
And yes, when it falls out, she cries and it has to go in again.  There
are periods over an HOUR or TWO that she does this.  She sleeps in a
bassinet right by my bed, so it is not too hard to put it back in 
except when you are tired and you wish the baby would just go to sleep.

If I do not put it back in, she cries.  So my question is this--how long
do I keep up this putting it back in stuff?  At what age could/should I
let her cry for a few minutes instead?  You're supposed to help them whenever
they cry.  I've tried picking her up and other stuff instead but at 5 am it's
almost easier to push that pacifier back in.  Of course I dread the day she
moves out of our room.


-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117				
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:39:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.232313.19443@ohsu.edu>, krages@ohsu.edu writes:
> 
> >The Happy Baby Food Grinder is, in my experience, much easier to use
> >than a blender or food processor.  ..... <stuff deleted>
> >I bought mine used for a buck but I think even new they cost under
> >$10.
>  
> I was looking at The Right Start catalog just before I signed onto the net
> today and noticed that they offer the Happy Baby Food Grinder for $11.95.  I
> don't know how that compares to prices elsewhere.


Toys-R-Us has it for $9.95.  I would look around before buying it from a
catalog.  All of the catalogs I have where I saw it were more like $12 than
$10 (not that $2 will break me, but its the idea of paying a higher price
when one shouldn't have to).

	Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: photographic memory
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:42:27 GMT

I have a photographic memory.  It was great in school.  I learned best by
reading, so that's what I'd do to study for tests.  Then to take the test I'd
close my eyes and read the answers from the book (could tell you what page
number, where on the page, etc.)

My mom (who is very smart) doesn't much like this - makes her feel stupid.

My husband (ditto) likes it even less. He refuses to believe my memory is more
reliable than his, which sure escalates fights!  Especially since it often is
not a matter of his forgetting something, but of not having listened to me say
it in the first place!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Colic
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:39:41 GMT

I have a friend who's an RN who swears by (I think it's called)
bundling.  You swaddle the baby up with a blanket so its arms are
pinned to its sides, and it's essentially immobilized.  If your baby 
spent any time in a maternity ward nursery (so many don't spend any 
time there at all these days), that's generally how you'll see the 
newborns.  I tried this occasionally with my last 2 babies when they'd 
seem colicky, and sometimes it did seem to work a miracle; at other 
times it didn't seem to help at all.

I don't know what the "science" is behind it, but I remember hearing that
American Indians would swaddle their babies like that, and they rarely
cried.

Does anyone know anything more about this?

Jan

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Christmas Tree
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:47:12 GMT


Here's a semi-serious (I'll find out how serious on Saturday) question.
What does one do with active toddlers around a Christmas tree.  Jordan
is 14 months old...very curious....very stubbo...oops, persistent.  How
do we prevent him and the tree from suffering damage?

Here are my husbands' suggestions (already ruled out):
	- put a fence (electrified) around the tree.
	- put iodine on all the branch tips so that when he touches
	  the tree and jabs his finger it'll sting and he won't do 
	  it again.
	- put the tree in his playpen (he really doesn't want to
	  be in there anymore anyway).

In case I need to (for the humor challenged amongst us) I should say the
above suggestions aren't serious.....at least I don't think they are.

	8-}      8-{     8-}     8-{     8-}      8-{      8-}

	(I'm hormonally challenged these days so I don't know whether 
	 to laugh or cry .......how does one get through the
	 holiday season....keeping all balls in the air....job....
	 cleaning...extra cleaning....Christmas shopping...cooking
	 home decorating....gingerbread cookie baking...baby pleasing...
	 daddy pleasing.....can it be done?)  


Inquiring and fatigued Mommy minds want to know!!!

					|
					|  Silent Night Holy Night
Barbara					|  All is Calm.....NOT!
					|
					
				
PS  This use to be (still is?) my favorite time of the year.....will
    it be again.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: patti@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (stankovich,patricia a)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:30:10 GMT
Keywords: Sorry it's so late

Bryan Patrick Stankovich was born on
12:33 p.m. on September 5, 1992; 7 lbs. 14 oz,
20 1/4 inches long.  Since mom just came back 
to work :( the
announcement is a little late.

All in all, labor wasn't that bad.  I was
really surprised.  On Friday, Sept. 4, I
had a little cramping on and off all day.
By 9:00 p.m., we decided to start timing
the cramps and they were coming 10 minutes
apart.  Since we live about 60 miles from the
hospital, the doctor decided that we had
better get in.  They admitted me a few minutes
after midnight and I was 4 cm.  At 6:00 a.m.
I was 5 cm.  They broke my water at 8:45 and
by 9:30 I was 8 cm.  Then the nurse came in
and asked if I wanted an epidural.  I told her
that since I was already at 8 cm, I wanted to
wait and see.  The doctor came in and I gave
him the same answer.  Then they started me
on pitocin.  That was enough of that!  I told
my husband, "I want drugs!!"  He said "what?"
I said "I want an epidural.  Go tell them NOW!!!!"
So he went out, found the doctor, and I got
my epidural.  Then I slept through the next
45 minutes of contractions.  The doctor came
back, woke me up and asked I wanted to push.
I said ok.  He asked if I was pushing.  I told
him that I guessed I was because I couldn't feel
a thing.  After approximately another 45 minutes
of pushing, Bryan was born.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:38:03 EST
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: SUMMARY: What to pay an overnight sitter

Thank you everyone for sending me info about your experiences with, or as,
overnight sitters.  Based on the 10 responses I noted, charges of about $4/
hour or about $70/day were the most common.  Two people adjusted the hourly
charge for hours when the child is sleeping, so that the final hourly rate
was closer to $3/hour.  Flat rates ranged from $25 for watching a 2 and 5 yr
old from 7 PM to 9 AM to $75/day--2 people paid $60/day, 1 suggested
$70/day.

Other suggestions were to add some small gift--dinner/movie certificate--to
the cash payment.

Thanks again, we are looking forward to our second night alone since Douglas
was born--can we really sleep past 6:30 AM any more???

Chris Himes
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: losing interest in formula, maybe?
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:41:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Dec12.224142.11686
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Elizabeth is 8 months old and after her meals, she isn't taking
her bottle like she used to. She will generally only take it when
she is really tired. I tried to give her watered down 2% mild and
not watered down. Nothing. I tried it warm and cold. Nothing. I've
even played around with different nipples. Nope. I thought maybe
she might be trying to wean herself from the bottle, and tried to
give her the formula in a tippee cup. I showed her that the milk 
comes from the tip, but she just plays with the cup. Does anyone
know what might be going on with her? Do I just need to leave it
alone and let her go without her formula?

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth)
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Christmas toys
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:03:52 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

>In article <1992Dec12.000522.1767@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins) writes:
...
>>
>>To keep up my 'uncle from hell' rep I also got her a tiny microphone that
>>xmits on a radio band.  I'll be sure to suggest places she can put it.....
>>

Just so long as you don't give her a labelmaker, and she doesn't
have a well in the park near her house.

Did anyone else see "The Simpsons" on Thanksgiving day?

In case you're curious, that half hour is about 5 percent of my
total annual TV intake.  If I'd been home, I wouldn't have seen
it.

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:36:50 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Dec17.142236.9445@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.200254.11118@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:

> 
>   [nice editing...  you took out the trade (deal) we made where he
>   treks to the South Bronx twice a day, walks up 6 flights of urine-
>   reeking, bloodstained stairs and drives through pot-holed roads
>   and gun-sniping drug-infested streets to take my son to daycare.]
> 
>   He also does the groceries in an unsafe neighborhood and goes to
>   the laundromat in an unsafe neighborhood.  I can't do these things
>   because I would get mugged.  So changing diapers is a small price
>   to pay, for these other special services.  In fact, I rather enjoy
>   changing diapers because I can play a game with my son, let him
>   wipe himself, wash him, and tell him to throw the dirty diaper
>   away.  I'm also doing the toilet training.


Clare, this may be inadvertent but IMHO many of your posts seem to refer to
your husband in a very negative light.  Then when other people respond to what
*seem* to be your complaints/criticisms, you get pretty belligerent and bring
up all sorts of previously undiscussed aspects of whatever you were discussing. 
I recall you once posting about being afraid to leave your son to go on a
business trip because your husband would only agree to take care of him for an
hour or so daily.  Then after the predictable round of "what a pig...make him
take responsibility" you shared with us the fact that he is a medical
resident(?) finishing a grueling schedule of training.

Maybe you need to take a look at the tone of your posts before sending them to 
see why so many of them elicit criticism of your husband.

Ann Helmers

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:35:33 GMT

In article <1gfr6kINN9ti@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>In article <4103@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
>>
>>An OBTW.  A few years ago, I saw the results of a study published
>>somewhere (no, I do NOT recall the source) which purported to show a
>>higher incidence of cervical cancer among women with circumcised
>>partners, so if nothing else, think of the welfare of your future
>>daughter-in-law :-)
>>[...]
>
>Sorry, but you've got that backwards--there is a higher incidence
>of cervical cancer among women with UNcircumcised male partners.
>There are numerous sources for this information.  Here's a quote
>from _Taking Care of Your Child:  A Parent's Guide to Medical Care_
>by Pantell, Fries and Vickery.  "Cancer of the penis has been said
>to be more common in uncircumcised males and cancer of the cervix
>more common in the sexual partners of uncircumcised males.  If
>engaging in unprotected sexual intercourse, uncircumcised males are
>more likely to acquire infection."  Of course, there are plenty of
>good arguments against circumcision, but lower incidences of cervical 
>cancer in female partners is *NOT* one of them.  
>-- 
>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
>dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
>(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)


  That study has been criticized for being flawed.  The
  uncircumcised men came from Brazil, and the circumcised men
  were Jewish.  They didn't take into consideration
  sexual habits.  Cervical cancer is now linked to the human
  papilloma virus, a sexually transmitted disease.  You
  draw your own conclusions on how valid this study is.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Funny things they say (husband)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:17:00 GMT

The other evening, my husband was talking to our 3.5yo son,
and he used the expression, "eat, drink, and be merry".  My
son replied, "married?"  To which my husband said, "no, not
'married', happy!"
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Orajel
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:21:48 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <Bz46u0.Azx@unx.sas.com>, sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
|> In article <28030@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
|> >
|> >Jordan nurses well when sleepy.  If he starts to get upset, I've found
|> >he can be convinced to nurse if I don't let him get too upset: I've
|> >learned to stop right away, put some Orajel on his new tooth area, give
|> >
|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
|> have a scotch!

It used to be commonly thought that a using alcohol to quite a cranky
child was a good thing.  Recent studies on alcoholism have shown that
exposure to alcohol at an early age can "trigger" a tendency toward
alcoholism in those people predisposed to it.  This, from the AA (a
friend, actually).

How do I know?  I once gave Patrick about 1 teaspoon of Chevis in his
morning bottle since he decided that morning was 4am (and we both had
the flu).  When I shared this with an alcoholic associate, they shared
this tidbit with me.

We use only Oragel and Tylenol with Rebecca when she is teething (although
we could really use the Chevis with her :^).

I would also think that the side effects of Tylenol and Oragel would be
much smaller than with alcohol.

Does anyone else know of similar studies?

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:55:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <1992Dec16.230321.5344@dsd.es.com> ksouth@dsd.es.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>, ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>> ...
>> but my argument against it is that it is a medically unnecessary procedure.
>> It is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons. And for me that is not
>> a good enough reason to invoke such a procedure on babies.
>> 
>
>Interesting. Boy can I think of medically unnecessary procedures that are
>done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: face lifts, nose jobs, tummy
>tucks, breast inserts. I can think of uncomfortable non-medical procedures 
>that are done only for social/vanity/religious reasons: wearing makeup, heels,
>pantyhose, ties (for men), shaving ones legs (who hasn't cut themselves 
>rather badly at least once), having ones hair highlighted or permed. 
>
	I sincerely hope that we can one day get beyond all this.

>Interesting that so many of these unpleasant, unnatural processes are
>done by women. I believe women are victims of society in that they are
>socialized by society to believe they must be so attractive. The older
>I get, the less I fall prey to society's message about how a woman should
>look/be.
	Absolutely true. And it is good that you are recognizing and changing.
It seems to me that many women (both young and old) are doing/recoginizing
this--a very encouraging sign for our society IMHO.

KAC


Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.drugs,misc.misc,talk.politics.drugs
From: Lisa S. Lewis <lisas@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: ___ Hepatitis B Vaccine ____
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton  University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:43:45 GMT

In article <1g8ch6INN9nd@male.EBay.Sun.COM> Valerie Jorge,
valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>I didn't bother.  My ped said we weren't in the high-risk group now, and
>>we can always elect to get it later.   My 2 cents
>>
>>Alison
>
>Our pediatrician said the same thing.  We opted to not get the
>vaccine for our son either.  Now, the doctor did say that it
>lasts about 10 years, and at some other point in life we may
>want our son to have it.  Seems you can get Hepatitis B
>from intravenous drug use (needles?), sexual contact, etc.
>I hope it isn't necessary, but we can decide later.  The
>doctor said "sometimes kids make bad choices...".  Guess
>we can only hope we teach them right and they take
>responsibility for themselves and their bodies.
>

I would talk to your doctor again, if you haven't done so recently.  A
few months ago I received a mailing from our pediatrician's office,
stating that high risk children (those living in homes where a parent has
it or is at risk) should get it.  Others should receive it as they
approach adolescence.  But two weeks ago, when I took my baby in for his
checkup, the ped told me that the government had changed their
recommendations.

Apparently, they have determined that the disease is far more widespread
than previously believed, and thus, that children often are more at risk
than they thought.  Some children get it and are asymptomatic.  And when
a child gets it, they run a very large risk (I forgot the number but it
was like 20% of them) die young from liver failure.

I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but I would recommend finding out what
your doctor is saying NOW, since apparently the government has changed
their minds.  My pediatrician very rarely tells me what to do (he always
gives me options and lets me decide.) But this time he said he wanted my 
boys to get it.  It takes three shots, at least one month apart.