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From: kennii@wybbs.mi.org (Kenn "Jazz" Booth II)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: Which Michigan organization would you *most* like to see networked?
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:51:22 GMT
Reply-To: kennii@wybbs.mi.org (Kenn "Jazz" Booth II)
Organization: Micro-Data Consultants

Quoted from sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak) in <715878595snx@dojo.mi.org>
>
>This is just a casual question...  just the result of a curiosity attack.
>What local outfit's active presence on "the Net" would you most appreciate?
>
>                                            ...Sensei

Well, not computer-related, although I would greatly appreaciate a
database of software/hardware (kept current) availiable from
Michigan companies, but what first came to mind is TicketMaster.

We could just scan a database of upcoming events, times, locations,
prices and availiability of various seating classes, as well as the
ability to order them on-line. (using Credit Card)

Although I see the possibility of abuse from this type of system setup,
it would be rather nice to have availiable.
 


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Newsgroups: mi.misc,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Wayne State University's Bad Behavior Continues Unabated....
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.022305.23714@cs.wayne.edu> delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge) writes:
">
">I could tell you stories about WSU. I was a student there for 8 years
">Summary: They (the C&IT) treat the students like dirt, have no policy
">in place for students to challenge denial of access to university 
">computing facilities. They were not nice people back then. I don't know
">if things have changed at all.
">
" Things have changed a lot since then. I've never been treated like dirt
" by the C@IT and there is a policy in place for denial of access to
" Computing Facilites. I've been here since '85 haven't had trouble with
" the C@IT...most trouble I've had is dealing with Profs/T.A.'s/etc who
" speak english with a heavy accent.  
"
"

Well, actually, the case that I heard of recently, the C&IT denied a 
student account to someone, and when that someone tried to get a judicial
hearing under the Student Due Process Policy, the C&IT (and university
attorneys) argued that the student wasn't being disciplined, but was
being denied access to "protect other users", so he didn't have any
rights at all. Here is a copy of the letter sent to that student. I've
deleted her name.

-----<BEGINNING OF LETTER>-------

September 23, 1991

<NAME OF STUDENT DELETED>

Dear Ms. <NAME DELETED>,

Thank you for your letter of September 12, 1991. I believe that you 
misunderstand the Student Due Process Policy. This policy applies 
only when the University (or another charging party) seeks to discipline
a student. "Discipline" consists of expulsion, suspension, probation, etc. 

At present, no one is seeking to discipline you. If the neccessity should
arise to do so, the Student Due Process Policy will certainly apply, since
academic disciplinary actions cannot be taken without compliance with
the Policy.

What has happened is that the C&IT has declined to facilitate your access
to the computer because of your past history of abusing the University
computing system. In light of that history, C&IT is not obliged to 
continue to do business with you. 

Yours Very Truly, 

Wesley Steele
Manager, C&IT Security/Standards.

------< END OF LETTER>-----

As you can see, this all took place in 1991, so I don't think things are
any different. 
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: kelson@ais.org (David Lewis)
Subject: Re: Merit Users:  I need ka9q help!!!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:34:40 GMT

In article <Bu9C2o.J9M@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> writes:
>
>I was under the impression that one couldn't run SLFP with some of the
>high-speed Ann Arbor dialouts.  Anyone have any further information?
>


    Well as long as you turn off MNP-5 it works fine, I have connect
several times.  I used ppp here of late though.  If I remember correctly
I think merit closed off slfp now.


Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: ed@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Ed Anselmo)
Subject: That "mi" sendsys
Reply-To: anselmo@nic.near.net
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:41:43 GMT

In article <scs.716126229@wotan.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

>As best I could determine all the sites replying were either direct
>recipients of the mi distribution, or did mutual "all" with their
>neighbors.  The control posting was made to a mi group, so sites which
>do not receive the mi heirarchy did not receive the message.

But the sendsys posting was made to a non-existant "mi" newsgroup, something
like "mi.ctl".  Several sites, like the ones I was running at the time,
refused the article with an "Unwanted newsgroup" error.  I think you'd get
at least a few more replies if you posted to "mi.misc" (or the somewhat
bogus "mi.misc.ctl").

"mi" will hit the Boston area if I can figure out how to get the load
avg. on the news & snmp machine here down below 20.
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Found this bit of entertainment in one of those free newspapers
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:51:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Mike says:

>>	I gagged...  I laughed...
                                        
	But did you send money?

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From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: Which Michigan organization would you *
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:14:59 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Labs

In article 15634@cs.wayne.edu, delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge) writes:
|>
|> The Michigan organization I would MOST like to see networked is the
|>   Secretary of State office in MI.  Especailly if it will speed them
|>   UP!!!

Either you are getting much worse treament than I am or you have a
different basis for comparison.

One of the few pleasant changes when we moved to Michigan from
Maryland was the speed of getting a vehicle-related  transaction done
at the Secretary of State offices. In Maryland, there were only a
handful of offices around the state, so most people had long drives
just to get to one. Then the wainting in line would often take three
to four hours before finding out that the office was then ready to close
or that they couldn't handle my needs because "the computer was down."

In ten years in Michigan, I have never had to wait more than twenty
minutes in a line at the Secretary of State. When I have mailed in
registration renewals, I have gotten the new tags within a week.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.
---
	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.


Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:23:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.043713.28754@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.224208.4868@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>"
>"I offered to do this a year ago and Wayne State wanted to charge me for
>"access to the equipment that I proposed to provide.  They have a strange
>"outlook on such things.  (all $$$).
>"
>"If OU had an SCP in the Warren/Sterling Heights area I would use that.
>"I'd rather not deal with Wayne State for the reason mentioned in the
>"previous paragraph.
>"
>
>I could tell you stories about WSU. I was a student there for 8 years
>Summary: They (the C&IT) treat the students like dirt, have no policy
>in place for students to challenge denial of access to university 
>computing facilities. They were not nice people back then. I don't know
>if things have changed at all.
>
 Things have changed a lot since then. I've never been treated like dirt
 by the C@IT and there is a policy in place for denial of access to
 Computing Facilites. I've been here since '85 haven't had trouble with
 the C@IT...most trouble I've had is dealing with Profs/T.A.'s/etc who
 speak english with a heavy accent.  


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Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection) 
Originator: chad@pms035
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesman for Ford Tech Affairs
Reply-To: Chad Childers <chad@quality.ta.ford.com>
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:02:47 GMT

In article <715878422snx@dojo.mi.org> sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak) writes:
>Take it to mail, or the grave, or something.  It's getting on my nerves

Huzzah, huzzah!  BTW, vela is munging headers again, although it's munging
From: into something replyable, and not touching Reply-To: so I can live with
that.
-- 
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FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: Merit Users:  I need ka9q help!!!
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:50:03 GMT

In article <Bu9C2o.J9M@ef2007.efhd.ford.com>, mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) writes:

  I was under the impression that one couldn't run SLFP with some of the
  high-speed Ann Arbor dialouts.  Anyone have any further information?

You certainly wouldn't want to.  slfp uses data-link flow control with a
fixed window of one frame, so it's nearly useless with any modem that uses
internal buffering, such as one using v.42 or v.42bis.  You'll do much
better with slip or ppp.

I've heard that you can't do ip at all on the "19200" lines.  By the way,
does anyone know what a "19200" line is, and how it differs from a "9600"
line?  I assume "9600" is v.32, but I don't know of any modulation that runs
at 19200.
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Distribution: mi
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:03:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.044051.28864@tygra.Michigan.COM>, jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:

  Those people who have SCP paid $2500 or more for them and had to do some
  heavy justifing to their bosses (Dept. heads, budget people etc). Now, 
  how do you go to your boss and ask him for $20,000 (cost of a CISCO
  router) to replace something thats only a few years old.

Wouldn't that be overkill?  Couldn't you replace an SCP with a Netblazer?
Or have I misunderstood what an SCP does?
From: sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Errors when uploading ascii through dialouts-help. 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:27:25 GMT
Organization: Author of "My Life as a Cindy Crawford Cultist!" #1 Best Seller!


In article <a2rn_#h.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com writes:

  >         I use the dialouts to connect with GEnie and (despite setting up
  > with a %bpc=8 command, I frequently receive "nibble overflow" errors while
  > uploading ascii text at 2400b. In addition, I have no success whatever using
  > zmodem to download from GEnie through the dialouts (which may be a GEnie
  > problem). If there is a simple "command fix" for this I'd appreciate it. I
  > know of no actual documentation for the dialouts, so if a man page exists
  > with the answers, a pointer would be helpful.

Back in the Good Old Days (tm) when the dialouts were freely accessible,
I had similar problems uploading and downloading stuff from the various
A^2 BBSes I called.  As I recall, there was some way to get some sort of
"menu" from those modems, so you could adjust parameters and such, but
it's been such a long time ago that I've forgotten how to do this, if one
can still get a modem.  Have you tried emailing info@merit.edu?

  >         BTW, as you'll notice from the return on this, mi.misc has a pretty
  > good circulation!

Yes...  I was quite surprised.  Managed to get a post here from Palo Alto, CA
in minutes, which impressed the heck out of me!  :)

                                                        ...Sensei

==
 Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
 UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei                      

Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: michigan law
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:46:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

	Unless you look forward to the fun and excitement of a Juvenile
Detention Center spend the money on an attorney.

	I've worked in a Detention Center (as a volunteer counselor as a
part of my graduate program in Psychology) - trust me, they aren't fun.

	In case you haven't noticed, they are cracking down pretty hard on
drugs lately - it's an election year. And making dopers "disappear" from
society is among the easiest ways to make themselves look good.

	Try posting in alt.drugs or alt.legal if you like - but from the
perspective of having worked within the system I can guarantee you need
better representation than a court appointed attorney is likely to provide.

	Peace

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From: sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection) 
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 15:07:02 GMT
Organization: Author of "My Life as a Cindy Crawford Cultist!" #1 Best Seller!


I don't think that too many people are interested in how WSU's computer
department generally mistreated John Palmer, no offense.  Let me add my
proverbial "two cents" to the matter:

My only affiliation with WSU is that I receive a personal UUCP feed from
wsu-cs -- mail and a little Usenet.  In this function, they've been terrific!
I have a problem, I mail it off to the admin, Jon Brewster, and it's typcally
resolved quickly.  I helped set up a couple friends with a little bit of
home mail/Usenet connectivity and WSU was able to facilitate things rapidly.
Mail and news works...  my headers don't get munged into utter nonsense.
I want a new newsgroup, it gets added.  .UUCP addresses get pathaliased, etc.
Overall, I've been very happy with WSU in this function, and I wish to
extend Jon Brewster and anyone else who's made things work right there a
big "thank you".

For all I know, this could be extremely atypical, and everyone at WSU
is some sort of fascist incompetent sloth-unit off to make Detroit look
bad on the net.  (We all know about some people who make Detroit look bad
on the net.)  But long-time-ago possible-slights aren't typically the
stuff of "good" Usenet, and this "WSU is bad" crap seems like no exception.
Take it to mail, or the grave, or something.  It's getting on my nerves
here.

                                               ...Sensei

==
 Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
 UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei                      

Xref: sparky mi.misc:624 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:2719 comp.org.eff.talk:5731
From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Wayne State University's Bad Behavior Continues Unabated....
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:07:40 GMT
    <1992Sep7.022305.23714@cs.wayne.edu> 
    <1992Sep8.171858.8639@tygra.Michigan.COM>
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky

jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>Here is a copy of the letter sent to that student. I've
>deleted her name.

>[...excerpted from C&IT letter...]
>What has happened is that the C&IT has declined to facilitate your access
>to the computer because of your past history of abusing the University
>computing system. In light of that history, C&IT is not obliged to 
>continue to do business with you. 
>[...end excerpt...]

If the student had already lost their access *through due process*, I
would think that future services could be denied to that student.  A 
parallel case in the 'real world' might be the restrictions on gun 
ownership by convicted felons.

Of course, I am assuming that the previous withdrawl of service was carried
out under the 'due process' umbrella.  If not, I'd appeal the original penalty.

--Wes

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From: paulh@crane.aa.ox.com (Paul Haas)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: re: Which Michigan organization would you *most* like to see networked?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:51:59 GMT
Organization: OTA Limited Partnership, Ann Arbor MI 48104 USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crane.aa.ox.com

sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak) writes:
>This is just a casual question...  just the result of a curiosity attack.
>What local outfit's active presence on "the Net" would you most appreciate?

My house.
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Which Michigan organization would you *most* like to see networked?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:18:43 GMT

In article <715878595snx@dojo.mi.org> sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak) writes:

 The Michigan organization I would MOST like to see networked is the
   Secretary of State office in MI.  Especailly if it will speed them
   UP!!!

================================================================================
=  De Vaughn A. Elledge      ** ================================================
=                            **               DON'T   STEAL 
= DELLEDG @ WAYNEST1         **     The Government Hates Competition!!!!
= DELLEDG @ JAKE.CC.WAYNE.EDU** ================================================
= DELLEDG @ UTS.CC.WAYNE.EDU ** Detroit Rockers: 1991 NPSL CHAMPIONS!!!! 
= Wayne State University     ** Detroit Lions: 1991 Cntrl. Div. Champs 
= Detroit, MI                ** Go Pistons, Redwings, Tigers, Turbos!!!!
============================ ** Go Tartars, Wolverines, Drive!!!     
================================================================================
From: sensei@dojo.mi.org (the Maniak)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Which Michigan organization would you *most* like to see networked?
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 15:09:55 GMT
Organization: Author of "My Life as a Cindy Crawford Cultist!" #1 Best Seller!


This is just a casual question...  just the result of a curiosity attack.
What local outfit's active presence on "the Net" would you most appreciate?

                                            ...Sensei

==
 Internet:  sensei@dojo.mi.org
 UUCP:  ...!wsu-cs!dojo!sensei                      

Xref: sparky mi.misc:644 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:2767 comp.org.eff.talk:5816
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Wayne State University's Bad Behavior Continues Unabated....
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:37:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <1992Sep13.132400.29450@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.202355.17374@cs.wayne.edu> delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge) writes:
>"
>"Wes, You took the words staight out of my mouth. If you abuse a
>"priviledge and it is taken away by *due process* you almost have to 
>"expect a miracle to get them back. Assuming that the event was handled 
>"by the due process umbrella. According to the WSU department that
>"handled the case (SECURITY OFFICE) the user had to be really screwing up
>"and didn't take their warnings seriously. 
>"
>
>There was never any due process in the case at all. The student in 
>question had her academic performance hurt by her lack of access to 
>the facilities. Again, like I said: There was no due process nor is
>there a policy in place for any kind of due process. The C&IT has
>been making excuses for years regarding this one. (The case goes 
>back about 9 years).

 Don't lie John.....we both know there was due process.


================================================================================
=  De Vaughn A. Elledge      ** ================================================
=                            **               DON'T   STEAL 
= DELLEDG @ WAYNEST1         **     The Government Hates Competition!!!!
= DELLEDG @ JAKE.CC.WAYNE.EDU** ================================================
= DELLEDG @ UTS.CC.WAYNE.EDU ** Detroit Rockers: 1991 NPSL CHAMPIONS!!!! 
= Wayne State University     ** Detroit Lions: 1991 Cntrl. Div. Champs 
= Detroit, MI                ** Go Pistons, Redwings, Tigers, Turbos!!!!
============================ ** Go Tartars, Wolverines, Drive!!!     
================================================================================
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Found this bit of entertainment in one of those free newspapers
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:46:56 GMT


This is from the September 1992 edition of Spirit, "Metro Detroit's
Monthly Arts & Information Newspaper".  I picked it up at Barnes &
Noble just a couple days ago and was reading through the ads and
articles waiting for my 2am Denny's meal, and this ad assaulted me:

		Love is an actual need, an urgent
		requirement of the Heart.  Love
		actualizes all indefinite expecta-
		tions.  Love is The Great Instru-
		ment of Nature, The Bond of So-
		ciety, The Spirit and Spring of the
		Universe.  Experience more of this
		wonderful eloquence, pages &
		pages.  Send $5 check or M.O. to:
		H. Ward, Millender CEnter, 333
		E. Jefferson, Suite 230-122, De-
		troit, MI 48226


					I gagged...  I laughed...
						...Mike

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Newsgroups: mi.misc