From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:38:02 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <M1WCC00.92Aug21085233@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.030142.20284@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>
>   In article <M1WCC00.92Aug19112309@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>   >In article <55727@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com
>WC:  Yeah, genius.  Make the correlation.  If his thing was going to the hole
>     and he has this decent verticle helping him to succeed, then when that 
>     verticle diminishes, his inside game diminishes.  So he either contin-
>     ues with a weaker game or starts changing his emphasis in an attempt to
>     keep up.  Ergo, by his theory, his increased concentration on a relatively
>     more outside focused game should improve his shooting because according
>     to his theory, it's a process of development where success is dependent 
>     upon spending more time doing one thing than another.
>
>WC: Did you become a better shooter as your vertical declined?  That's your
>    theory right?

Here is your "confusing" statement.  The two aren't the same.  The first
statement says that time & effort = improved skills.  The second says
shooting ability is directly proportional to vertical leap; you
did say/imply (take your pick) that you're either a leaper or a
shooter in an earlier article.  You've attributed your theory and his
to him.  Obviously your the one who is confused.

Now if that's what you mean to say, then I can't help it if you need
alot of words to express a simple thought correctly.

>   [stuff deleted]
>
>   >Russ:
>   >   Look do me a small favor, spend 2 hours playing 2 on 2 volleyball in
>   >   the sand. then wake up the next day and feel the burn in your calves
>   >   and thighs. Now do this 6 months out of the year all through jumior
>   >   high and highschool. You seriously think it won't increase your leap?
>   >   Thats why there's a lot of skywalkers in So Cal volleyball, there are
>   >   at least 3 white guys now on the pro tour with 38" or better jumps,
>   >   and 38 is flying, there's not that many in the NBA better than that.
>			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   >
>   >WC: 3 guys.  Well that supports my statement that their are a few white guys
>   >    that can jump.
>
>Gary:   No it doesn't, read what the guy said.  Major-leapers are few and far
>   between, and as far as I've seen and anyone has proven, no "race" has
>   a monopoly.
>
>WC: My viewpoint is not based solely upon "major leapors".  I pointed out that
>    blacks jump better than other races.  But, there are more black major
>    leapers than others too.

You obviously have a problem with english comprehension and logical
thought.  He said that there are 3 guys with 38" vertical, then he
said that there aren't that many in the NBA that have better.  The
sample that he took was much smaller than the NBA, therefore it is
obvious that there wouldn't be as many.  So obviously his statement
did not support your hypothesis.  You seem to have forgotten that
he only mentioned the ability of the major leapers not that of the
others.

Why don't you prove your point with cold hard unadulterated facts.
Facts untained by your own racial biases.  Prove that blacks jump
better. Spare me the use of the NBA as your proof.  Sports is not
representative of society as a whole.  i.e Most people don't make as
much as the NBA minimum, the ratio of blacks to whites is not the
same.  Get some reputable sources. Don't bother citing KKK weekly.

>   >Just like there are some blacks that can't.  And, as I
>
>Gary:   Make that just like there are few blacks that can.
>
>WC:    Yeah Gary, you're right.  There are only a few blacks that can
>       jump well.  Hard to imagine how this whole discussion got
>       started, huh?

The statement was in reference to leapers, it was the subject at
hand. 

It got started because a few people like you wanted to show your
ignorance.  You desparately want to excuse your lazyness and lack
of success in sports by fabricating this nonsense about blacks
being more athletically gifted.  There is a lot more that goes
into sports and black dominance in certain sports than just this
fantasy about athletic superiority..

"Boo hoo, I suck because I don't have enough sun protection.
Boo hoo hoo."  Get real.

As grandpa used to say to this kid I knew "Bwoy get afff yu lazy
aass an' get some work dun"

P.S
	As far as this crap about preordained shooting ability
is concerned.  It's too bad you can't meet Larry Bird and expound
your theory of preordained shooting ability.  I'm sure he would
slap you back a few thousand times.  One for each day he was
out there practicing his shots and moves.  The guy gets to the
game 1hr early to get in a groove.

I can see it now, "Larry, you wasted your time practicing.
The Gods tell me, its preordained that you will be a shooter."
...
"Ow, Ow, Ow somebody call the police.  I'm getting my ass whooped.
No no call the doctor, no no call my lawyer first.

I used to play with this guy at Umass-Boston, major bricklayer
1-10 on wide open shots.  Then one day I said to him that
everytime you shoot, all I want to here you say is "count it",
Now he hits almost all of them, has the nerve to talk trash
to me too.  There was no change in his style.

Stop shovelling this BS.  This preordained stuff is crap.
Ooops my fault, you meant preordained for blacks, both of
these guys are white.  I'll have to come up with a better
example.