From: johnsd2@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT
Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:36:57 GMT

In article <92283.165157ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>, ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
|> In article <8rvzlln@rpi.edu>, johnsd2@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman
|> Johnson) says:
|> >
|> >I agree. So where are the OS/2 2.0, WPS apps, eh?
|> >
|> Where were the Mac apps 1/2 year after the Mac was available ? In the meantime
|> we can use the old-fashioned Windows and OS/2 1.x apps.

Don't take what I said out of context. You said that (something,
I forget what) is not usefull since it was not used in apps.
I am applying the same thing to the WPS. That's all.

|> >|> Yeah, but Finder isn't OOPS is it?  It's just a wanna be.
|> >
|> >I presume you mean "Object Oriented Psomething Ssomething", right?
|> >
|> >The finder isn't internally object oriented. It does behave
|> >object oriented anyway, but it doens't manage printers (still
|> >got that ikky chooser), and apps still split off into layers.
|> >
|> >Does pretty good other than that. Of course its still not officially
|> >"object oriented", but it doesn't seem to me that the internals matter
|> >so much. (or did you mean something else? It might help if you
|> >defined your acronym. Perhaps my responce  was totally irrelevant)
|> >
|> Perhaps he thinks more of how the UI works to the user, not to the programmer.

Just as I do. I already said the finder is not internally object-
oriented. It just acts that way. :)

|> WPS sees the icons on the screen as objects i.e. things that have some
|> properties and can perform some actions. What actions an icon or a group of
|> selected icons can perform do you see by clicking on it with your mouse.

With the finder you gotta click in the menubar. Is that so bad? Is
it so different?

|> What
|> properties it has you see in its settings notebook.

ditto, with a get info window.

|> And interaction between
|> icons is by drag/drop.

Ditto.

|> The Mac OS has this partly but its not consequently
|> used.

Sure it is. I use it all the time.

|> In System 6 you can`t print a document by dropping it on a printer icon.
|> Don`t know about System 7.

Same in system 7. nobody is perfect. :(

|> But I`m pretty sure to format a floppy in System 7
|> you have to select the floppy icon and then hunt in the menu bar for a format
|> option. In OS/2 you click on the icon with your right mouse button and select
|> from the objects menu.

You know, "menu that pops up from icon" != "object oriented";
Finder icons can be manipulated with a the same techniques,
but the menu is at the top of the screen (where anyone can
see it), instead of popingup under the mouse. Not a big difference.

|> The difference is: in MacOS you ask the computer (i.e. menu bar) what can I do
|> with that object (and anything else I see on the screen). In OS/2 you ask the
|> object you want to manipulate "What can you do?"

The difference is miniscule.

|> That might not make a big difference to some users, but to me it sounds more
|> intuitive than the Mac approach. I`m happy with both, but I like WPS a bit
|> more.

It does have hte problem that you can't see them menu before it pops up.
Its not such a great idea to have invisible elements like that, if
they provide the only way to do anything. (in this case, it snot a big
deal since the user is certain to know about it, tho)

-- 
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

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