From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: RE: Arab  U N I T Y
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:45:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:

>Well to use a dictionary meaning of Muslim, I am a Muslim in a certain sense
>that I have surrendered to God in a different way. However, it is not the way
>Islam proclaims. You do not have to convince me that Islam is the solution,
 and later...
>You do not have to convince a Christian Islam is the solution, since we
>have no choice but follow like other minorities. Otherwise, we would have to
>pick up and leave as that genius Bulbul said. However, you have to convince
>about a 150 million Arabs that it is the right way to go.

That what I indicated in my previous message.  Convincing a christian like
you doesn't work!

>I and millions of Arabs know that Islam is not the way in modern times to unify
>the Arabs. Obviously you and some still do beleive that Islam is the way.

How fair!  'You and millions' vs. 'I and some'.  How did you come up with this?
Look at the Islamic movments allover the middle east, starting from Algeria,
Jordan, Swdan, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisa, allover.  Many are more obvious
than others.  These massive populations are still called "some."
            
>A prosperous Iran has tried this approach and in the process have buried
>themselves in a 600,000 sq.mile hole that they are begining to crawl out off.

Shaa't are minority muslims.  The experience of Iran didn't work because it
didn't spread allover.  The majority of Muslims in the Arab world are not
pro Shaa't.  But what is worse than the Iranian experience is the Arab League
that you may think it will solve problems.  Everyone of them is a slave
to a western government.  They make zero decisions.

>Allow me to teach you a lesson in history. The Arabic world is in a mess becaus
>Islam allowed the Ottomans to come and take over the Arabic world. The Ottomans
>being an occupier let the Arabic world rot while taking all the riches to pleas
>the Sultan. The Europeans came in and drove the nail in the coffin, we are
>trying to open the coffin's lid in 1992.

That is how much you understand about Islam, only its hisory of the 20th
and late 19th century.  How much do understand about Islam from the
14th to 19th centuries?  Zip!  Even if you do you will only pick up things
that meet your hatred cause.  You keep talking about Ottoman Empire.  Of course
as a christian you will say not one thing good about it.
         
>The people of Iraq, Syria, and Egypt
>developed writing, religions, Literature, architectures, and world scale
>economies thousands of years ago. They have done it while the Europeans, who
>control every thing we do now, were still food gatherers. Do you know anything
>about history?.

If you know Islamic history, you know who were at the top of civilization
at those times.  Were the arab christians who were the elite in writing,
religions, Literature, architectures, and world scale economies thousands of
years ago?  It is the muslims who were.

>Are all Arabs belong to your version of Islam. Tell us how to achieve dignity
>instead of wishing it.

Yes the majority are.  Telling and repeating everything allover again is
just a waste of time.  It is just not worth it!  As you indicated
earlier "You do not have to convince me that Islam is the solution."

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