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From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga II - The Query.
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:07:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Mike.Noreen@arkham.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes:
> A couple of days ago, I was reading the C= press release from WoC, and found
> something I think might be important. Please dont flame me too much if I'm
> wrong...
>
> Firstly, there's the low-end chipset; basically an upgraded AGA. In the
> release it specifically states that this chipset will support the MC68000
> family, up to and including MC68060 (I guess there will be a '060-amiga, then?)
> .
>
> Secondly, and more interesting, there is the High-End chipset. This one has a
> lot of bells and whistles to it, among other things the use of VRAM (instead
> of Chip-RAM?), and nowhere does it state which processors will be supported.
>
> Now, as I've understood it, you can't mix VRAM and chip-RAM, and atleast with
> todays DOS and kick, you have to have chip-RAM.
>
> Assuming this is correct, wouldn't this rather point toward a split in the
> Amiga line? On one hand, the standard Amigas with 68000-family processors and
> low-end chipset, and on the other hand a new powerful line with the High End
> chipset - and probably RISC processors.
>
> I dont claim that it is actually this way, I just read a note and started
> thinking (which is a dangerous thing to do).
>
> What I'd like to know from someone who knows more about designing computers
> than me, is i.e. Is it possible to mix chip-RAM and VRAM in the same computer?
> Is Chip-RAM needed by AmigaDOS? Would a switch to VRAM from chip-ram
> architecture necessarily lead to incompatibility problems?

        You seem to have mixed some things up. "CHIP RAM" is just a name,
used by C= to specify chips which can be used by both the CPU and the
custom chips. "FAST RAM" is another name used by C=, to specify chips which
can only be accessed by the CPU. Any type of ram chip (DIP, SIP, SIMM, etc)
can be used as "CHIP RAM" or "FAST RAM".

        VRAM is different. VRAM is a special *type* of ram chip. What
makes it special is that it is dual ported and can be accessed by two
seperate processors, each on a seperate port. VRAM is used on
graphics cards where it will be accessed by the system CPU and by a
graphics accellerator chip. Using VRAM chips as "CHIP RAM" is a good
idea because "CHIP RAM" is accessed by the CPU and Agnus, so having
VRAM with two access ports will help improve system speed. At the
moment, both the CPU and Agnus have to share a single access port
on the ram chips, so when they both want to use "CHIP RAM" at the
same time, the CPU is forced to wait till Agnus is finished, slowing
down the system.

        You can't just remove your old "CHIP RAM" chips and replace
them with VRAM chips though, VRAM needs to have a memory board designed
specifically for VRAM.

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
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From: edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:54:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.221523.7781@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> Does the Amiga CLI have 'move', as in moving files, directories wholly? 
> -- 
> Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

Dan,

I recently purchased TxEd Plus V 2.2 from my local dealer (Memory Location in
Wellesley MA, good place BTW) and it comes with the entire ARP project. 

To make a long story short, the ARP command RENAME allows one to move files
from one directory to another. This is without resorting to use of the COPY
then DELETE commands.

I don't have my 2.04 manual with me and therefore am not sure if 2.04's RENAME
command allows the same degree of flexibilty. I am not using my beloved Amigas
at this time, so I cannot check this now.

Eric Edmonds                      Lowell, MA
Univ of Lowell        Birthplace of the Lowell Board and the American
                      Industrial Revolution :-)
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:00:00 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.

In article <10591@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
|> 
|> Well, there *can* be truth in it, but in a different way, and I don't have
|> any more facts than this: The A4000 (at least the samples for Europe) is
|> also "not produced by Commodore", but obviously by some other company, the
|> name of which I don't know. Fact is they come from Scotland, and Commodore
|> definitely has no factory there. So take this "produced by Commodore" in
|> this sense and it's no thing to worry about.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
|> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
|> Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!

	Amiga A1200's are assembled in Irvine , Scotland , and I , along with
lots of other Scottish users , feel proud that it is made here , as we feel
closer to the action :-)
-- 


Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development
(Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: GLOBAL WARMING
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:44:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.211641.3373@cnsvax.uwec.edu> douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>	On the other hand, I've noticed too that the last few winters in a row
>have seemed unusually warm for Wisconsin.  The snow hardly stays at all, and
>there are fewer white christmasses than there use to be.

	I remember when I was around 8 and my nose hairs would freeze because
it was less than -30F outside. But lately that has not happened, and we
rarely get as cold as -10F. There were years when school was closed about
5 days of the year (our school was always one of the last ones to close
because it is the largest non-metro school district in NY), but lately they
had no more than 2 days off from winter. I think if it gets -30F they
automatically close the school, or if there is ice or more than two
feet of snow. In fact, the city bought a German snow plow/blower that is
supposed to be able to clear 14 feet of snow (3.5 meters?).

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:31:21 GMT
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Does AT&T make their own keyboards?   I'm using an AT&T 305D (doesn't have
anybody else's name on it...)  It's a nice kb...no clicking, the \ is right
above the <enter> key, which is a rectangle, not a reverse-L. 

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Stupid Flame War [Was: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles]
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:08:56 GMT

In article <38739@cbmvax.commodore.com>, lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance) writes:

|> Actually, Matthew managed to summarize your last dozen* posts
|> quite eloquently, wasting far less bandwidth.  You've been squirming
|> around in your attempted "rebuttals" to Andy Finkel, and the only thing
|> you've succeeded in doing is giving me the urge to put the
|> following line in my killfile:
|>      /jerry@msi.com/h:j

AHA! Finally, someone with an understanding of how killfiles actually work!

John, do you think that you could email me a REALLY quick description of how
to write a killfile? I'm sick of hearing "Doesn't your newsreader generate them
automatically?" No, it doesn't, so I have to do it by hand. Thing is, I have
NO IDEA what my killfile should look like. 

Specifically, what does h:j mean, and does that get used for every user in
the killfile? If so, the syntax seems to be:

  /email_address/h:j

as in

  /barrett@iastate.edu/h:j

How close is that to the truth?

|>   -- John
|> 
|> *Well, if it wasn't a dozen, it felt like it. :-)
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> John Lockhart, lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com
|> Product Assurance Group, Software Engineering, Commodore
|> Working for, but not speaking for, Commodore.

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From: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor)
Subject: Re: Amiga A1200.....
Summary: Ian needs a Geography Lesson 
Keywords: Ian Geography Paper Rock Scissors 
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:51:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.203534.14992@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>Details please. Why would BillG have to pay someone to
>discredit Commodore when Commodore does such a fine job
>if discrediting itself?
>
 Take a look at where he is talking, Ian - in Europe, Commodore is a respected
	computer firm; it's only in the States that they fumble the ball...
>Ian.
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:10:31 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:

>First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
>a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
>release computers but they don't take months to scrap them.

Actually, yes - Over in the UK C= released the A500+ and dumped it a few
months later in favour of the A600.

	Mark

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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:27:19 GMT

Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald) writes:
>
>However, regardless of the comparison of the two *products* (I too
>will take Amiga over Mac any day of the week); when was the last time
>you saw an Apple television ad?  A Commodore ad?  A Commodore ad in a
>non-specialist computer publication?

     Well, does InfoWorld count in your book as non-specialist?  If so, then
my answer to the last part would be "right now".  I hold in my hands the
January 18th InfoWorld and have it open to the Amiga ad on page 56.  Commodore
as been putting a steady stream of ads into numerous magazines, both specialized
ones and more general computer magazines.  These have included such things as
two-page (4 sides) glossy inserts.
     They're not exactly prime time TV commercials, and the dealer base isn't
quite there to support it very well, it's a big step in the right direction.


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From: roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Robert Swan)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:27:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.190951.28173@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Robert Swan (roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
>:
>: The current topic had ranged to OS advantages.  While it might be a
>: little subtle for you, I was using a technique called `reductio ad
>: absurdum' to disprove your supposed Windows advantage:  application
>: uniqueness.  To spell it out:
>:
>
>Robert, you must be confusing me with somebody else.  I never said that
>"application uniqueness" is any sort of advantage.  I did talk about
>support for modern applications, which is quite different from "application
>uniqueness", but it might be a little too subtle for you.

Ahem.... permit me to quote from a little discussion you were having
with Gregory Block:
!Once again, Greg, you fail to grasp the meaning of the words you read.
!I'm not using applications to justify the OS.  I'm saying that Windows
!has the functionality to support applications the likes of which you
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
!can't get anywhere else.  This functionality includes complete device
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
!independence and communications protocols such as OLE.

If those aren't unique applications you're talking about, we must have
different definitions of unique.  You're trying to use these
applications to justify the OS.  Wriggle and squirm all you like, but
you did it.

>: You then asked what use was a good OS without applications.  This, IMHO,
>: was an attempt to change the subject when you were on the losing side of
>: the current discussion.
>:
>
>No, that particular question was a "BTW".
And a BTW isn't an attempt to change the subject?  Sure.

>No, it must be you who's confused, Robert, since I never said anything
>about "application uniqueness".
Sure.

Have fun,

Robert.
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From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:35:43 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: world
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In article <Paula_Lieberman.07x6@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>In a message dated Wed 21 Jan 93 22:58, Torrie@cs.stanford.edu (evan Torrie
>wrote:
>
> TT> Message-ID: <torrie.727485924@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
> TT> Date: 19 Jan 93 23:25:24 GMT
>
>>always leveled even on price. And also Motorola knows that they have to
>move
>>quickly if they do not want to end like Zilog (remember the Z80?).
>
> TT>   Motorola's future in microprocessors for high-end computer systems
> TT> is NOT with the 680x0.
>
>What is it in, that piece of vapor called a PowerPC chip, with vapor for
>operating systems and vapor for native applications, vapor for installed
>based, vapor for base of non-internal programmers, and vapor for backward
>compatible with existing applications?!

I would hardly call a chip that is in preproduction runs "vapor".   Apple has
sent PowerPC 601 boards to the top developers already.  While the chip is
not out...I put alot more faith in it than Pentium as it's more of a 
derived chip from current IBM Power Architecture (and there's none of this
talk of "Oh we'll delay release for awhile so we can milk more money from
out 486 line....").

And, since it *is* based on the Power Architecture, I wouldn't say it
doesn't have and OS, programmers, etc (Or are those RS/6000's just
big paperweights?)  I know the chip lacks some of the fancy tricks found
in the Power Series but that hardly orphans it from the rest of the pack.

Now the rest (when applied to Taligent) I won't argue too hard about. After
all we are talking about a cooperative effort from *Apple* and *IBM*.  Do you
think it will be an additive or a multiplicative effect? 

>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:37:55 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmger!peterk@cbmvax.commodore.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <C1JEE7.C3o@lysator.liu.se> ronnie@lysator.liu.se (Ronnie Sahlberg) writes:
 >joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance) writes:
 >
 >>Even with the S3 cards, the high performance is usually limited to Windows apps,
 >>not DOS, OS/2 or Unix, because the cards are designed to trap out specific
 >                  ^^^^
 >>Windows API calls.
 >Not true. I know of 486 machines that performs more than 120.000 Xstones with a
 >fast S3 card.
 >(under XWindows, which most certainly implies unix).

Hmm, but there are also XWindows implementations for other OS'es, like
e.g. AmigaDOS. I don't know about this very case, but at least it's
possible that also this XWindows does not necessarily run under UNIX.

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:54:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>>abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>>Sorry, way out... Wordworth 2 is published by Digita International, and
>>has absolutely _nothing_ to do with Kindwords 3 (published by the Disc
>>Company). Most UK Amiga magazines rate Wordworth 2 quite a bit higher
>>than Final Copy II... apart from UK dictionary I see no reason why it
>>can't be bought direct from US. Digita can be reached via...
>>Tel: +44 395 270273, Fax: +44 395 268893.

>???  Kindwords 3 (Note the 3 because version 2 was a dire program which
>deserved to die and had absolutley nothing to do with Wordworth) _is_ a 
>cutdown version of WordWorth.  They are marketed by different companies,
>but compare the the 2 programs and you will find that they bear a rather
>strong resembelence to one another.

>	Mark

err... Mark, thanks for the clarification... but, I didn't write the "Sorry...
Fax:..." part... please be careful when you quote... 

Thank you. 

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

PS: now that so many people have claimed WordWorth 2 to be one of the best
    WPs for the Amiga, could someone _please_ upload its demo to some
    ftp-sites?? Thanks.
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From: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Subject: Douglas Adams speaks
Originator: akerman@maestro
Supersedes: <C18Jop.2Hx@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:24:27 GMT

[of the design and user interface of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 
 (Mark I)]   
                                                                              
"It was so clumsy and clunky it might almost have been designed by Microsoft."
                                                                              
- Douglas Adams on Prisoners of Gravity (TVOntario, 21/01/93)                 
                                                                              
Also on the show:                                                             
                                                                              
* screen shots of the Amiga logged on to GEnie                                
* display of current computer magazines includes {\em Amiga World} and