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While I was visiting New Hampshire last week I was directed
to a small forest near a place called Stoddard Rocks as
an example of a 'primeval' hardwood forest.  A ranger at
Monadnock State Park had a complete guide to ancient
forests in New Hampsire and gave me directions.  If I remember
correctly it's near Winston/Washington/Hillsborough.
Incredible mosquitoes, blackflies, deer flies, etc.
But it was quite a contrast to our West Coast
ancient forests.

-bill
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,bnr.general
From: dpell@bnr.ca (David Pell)
Subject: Campground Recommendations in Vermont, New Hampshire
Keywords: Campground, Vermont, New Hampshire
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:53:59 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend, who is looking for recommendations 
for Campgrounds (Car camping) in Vermont and New Hampshire.
His requirements are for FAMILY STILE campgrounds with beaches, 
playgrounds, nice quiet parks, no parties all night.  He  has
already picked up the tourism glossy pamphlets what he would like 
is personal recommendations.

If you e-mail me I will forward the responses.

Thanks in advance.
Dave Pell 
dpell@x400gate.bnr.ca


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From: misterl@athena.mit.edu (Lawrence P Lubowsky)
Subject: Waterproofing Boots (was Re: Summery of Nike fabic boots...)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:40:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.174235.28361@mitem.com> unger@mitem.com (Tom Unger) writes:
>resole them.  In the long run you may save money on them.  I have
>learned how to waterproof my leather boots so that I can walk through
>water (for a short way) and still have dry feet.  (The secret is _not_
>snow seal.)
>

So what's the secret?


Larry
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: no tent works 3 days in the rain
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:31:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <l6pit5INN9hb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>Has anybody found a modern tent that keeps you dry for more than
>three days of solid rain?

No.

However, somebody told me recently that burning a candle in the tent
drys up most of the moisture.  Any testimonials to this?

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver)
Subject: Re: Goretex Tents?
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Dept. of MSE at Illinois-Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:09:00 GMT

A friend of mine had a Sierra Designs Gortex tent (same design as a
Prelude).  He told me they had to quit making them because they didn't pass
some fire safety code.  Too bad...  He really likes it.

Judy Tolliver
From: gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: MSR Whisperlite in Norway
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:17:30 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

In article <1992Jul18.215300.8804@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
  griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:

> [original attribution lost]
>> My question is simply: Can
>> anybody tell me what "Coleman Fuel" or "White Gas" is so that I can tell the
>> chemical company here in Norway what to look for.  
> 
> Europeans use Naptha in these stoves I believe.

  Woa there!  Not a flame (tee hee) but Naptha in the summer is a wee bit
too volatile.  This means it leaks more easily (like during priming and/or
pumping), and in confined spaces a dangerous vapour can build up, especially
if you are foolish enough to fill your stove, prime it, count to ten and
light a match, all in a confined space.  Naptha (which for those who have
yet to learn to suck eggs is a higher distillation product, much like petrol
but more flammable) works great in Norway in winter - the troops that do
their artic warfare training use Naptha in unmodified Coleman Peaks and
the like.  Even so, at minus 20 (centigrade), accidents in tents still
occur from time to time.

  Coleman Fuel is just petrol (like what you put in cars) with no additives.
In Germany and France it is available from pharmacists as 'pure petrol' or
'medicinal petrol' (translated of course).  I use standard unleaded fuel,
but this can cause clogging of the stove, and some people fear the effect
of the additives on their health.  Hasn't affected me yet (twitch).

Struan

  This comes up so often it ought to be a FAQ, in fact, it ought to be in
a leaflet in the box when you buy these stoves.  Ah yes, Coleman have a nice
little sideline supplying ordinary petrol at inflated prices to people who
have yet to catch on.
From: les@redx.washington.edu (Les Pennington)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: no tent works 3 days in the rain
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:32:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul28.153203.13160
Organization: UW Information Systems

I have stayed dry with different tents in driving continuous rainstorms
and stayed dry.  The key points are: 1) a good rainfly which extends
adequately and does not touch the tent at any point, 2) good drainage
around the tent, and 3) put your groundcloth/tarp inside on the floor of
the tent, curved upwards at the sides of the tent--not underneath the
tent, as this creates nothing more than a water trap.  Tents I have stayed
dry in:  Eureka Timberline II, Holubar mountaineering tent (antique but
still being used and waterproof), REI cheap piece of junk I bought for $27
in 1971 (still used occasionally), Philmont 2 Man Tent (BSA).  It is not
the tent, but how you use it.  If the rain starts becoming horizontal,
then all bets are off. 

In article <Jul27.223129.49350@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
> In article <l6pit5INN9hb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
> >Has anybody found a modern tent that keeps you dry for more than
> >three days of solid rain?
> 
> No.
> 
> However, somebody told me recently that burning a candle in the tent
> drys up most of the moisture.  Any testimonials to this?
> 
> -- 
> 
> -Wayne Trzyna
>  trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:16:58 GMT

The followup comments about numbers vs position are correct.  My Magellin
requires 3 sats for a lat/long position and 4 sats for a lat/long/alt position.
 
When possible, the unit acquires a 4th or 5th sat, even when set to the 2D
position (always when sailing, I generally am close to local sea level on
the Shearwater).  It is geometrically possible to check a 2d position with a
4th sat - to determine if one is malfunctioning, for example - but I don't
believe the units on the marine market currently perform that check.  The
Magellin tries to find the 3 (or 4, for 3d) that are most nearly at right
angles - thus yielding the "best" geometric fix.  It also tells you an estimate
of the geometric quality for "warm fuzzy" reasons and to help estimate how
reliable the fix is.
 
The Magellin (and most units I examined before the purchase) also tells you
the number of hours per day that sufficient sats will be available for a
2d (or 3d) fix.  Generally, it is 24 hours/day for 2d in warmer (nearer
the equator than Newfoundland) areas.  As you get close to the poles,
Magellin warms of a decrease in geometric accuracy (because all the lines
come together at a point!).
 
For sailing - and offshore - purposes, there are sufficient sats for 24 hour
per day coverage any place you are likely to sail.
 
The extra sat required for redundant postion determination generally refers
to aircraft usage as the "sole means of navigation" where an independent
means __must__ be available to tell if the primary means is failing.  An
additional (4 for 2d, 5 for 3d) visable sat at a good angle will enable
multiple fixes and determination of "circle of reliable fix" to determine
if one sat is off position or the unit is malfunctioning.
 
On the Shearwater, we use dead reconning (and Loran when available) for
near shore determination that the Magellin is working correctly (it always
has).  Offshore, we use DR positions to maintain a track with the Magellin.
 
The shortage of sats is not an issue in recreational sailing - and probably
not an issue for any recreational use you would make of the units.
 
/Stu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: lawrang@gov.on.ca (Greg Lawrance)
Subject: INFO REQ. FOR SKAGWAY,JUNEAU & GLACIER BAY
Summary: Looking for info on travel to Glacier Bay & Juneau
Keywords: HIKING,SEA-KAYAKING
Organization: Government of Ontario
Distribution: global
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:43:09 GMT

 I will be travelling to the Yukon for backpacking, mountain-biking and
canoeing this fall and I intend to investigate some of Alaska while I am
in the area.  Anyways, can anyone tell me how to get from Skagway or
Juneau to Glacier Bay?, 2) if you can rent sea-kayaks in Glacier Bay, 3)
what are the opportunities for back-packing and sea-kayaking around
Juneau.  

This message has an expiration date of August 5, 1992

Thanks
Greg L 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hens@snipe.cray.com (Tom Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: no tent works 3 days in the rain
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:12:06 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


I' never been 3 days in solid rain (only 2), but I was once in a SEVERE thunderstorm where it 
rained 6 inches in 2 hrs.  We were completely dry after that one due to a few things...  

1) good drainage around the tent.

> 3) put your groundcloth/tarp inside on the floor of
>the tent, curved upwards at the sides of the tent--not underneath 

2) tarp inside the tent.  (thanks for the vote Les)
3) the rainfly was throughly seam sealed.

Our tent is a 7 year old VE24 North Face.  It was 3 years old at the time of the storm, but
it still preforms perfectly.  

> 
> However, somebody told me recently that burning a candle in the tent
> drys up most of the moisture.  Any testimonials to this?
> 

I suggest staying wet.  Do not, I repeat, Do not have flame, or any other intense heat, for that
matter,  near your tent.  The little bit that it will help, if at all, is far out weighed by 
the time the candle gets knocked over and puts a nasty hole in the floor. (if you're lucky) 
You are sure to be wet the next time, unless of course you have an unlimited budget, and then
you can stay in a hotel.

BTW, in the thunderstorm I was more worried about trees falling on us than rain, but not my wife,
she slept through the whole thing.
--
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Tom Stephens
CCN,  Chippewa Falls
Cray Research Inc.  hens@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: karld@engin.umich.edu (Karl Diederich )
Subject: Long Trail Information Request
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:07:38 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na



Sorry for the bad post earlier.  Here is another try:

This is my first post here seeking information.  I will be hiking 
the Long Trail this August, and am wondering if you can provide some 
info please.  Some of this information is probably in the guide 
book.  However, the stores around here do not have it, and I am 
having problems contacting the Green Mountain Club.
  
Does the Green Mountain Club have a new address?  I last wrote to 
P.O. Box 889 in Montpelier, VT 05602, but that was over three weeks 
ago.  The letter to 108 Merchants Row, Rutland, VT 05701 was 
returned to me.  I suspect the 45 Park Street address in Rutland is 
also old.
 
What specific supply items can I expect at various resupply points?  
Such as Quaker instant oatmeal, Quaker Fruit & Cream instant 
oatmeal, Lipton Noodles & Sauce or Rice & Sauce, cheese, crackers, 
bread, chips.  Any other info on specific resupply points or other 
logistics comments?
  
The current plan is to hike the trail north to south.  Reasoning is 
that as the end is approached, one typically speeds up in 
anticipation of achieving the goal.  So hike the north end first 
while still in the mood to mosey and ponder.  Thoughts?
  
Current plan is also to hike the lower portion that is shared with 
the Appalachian Trail.  Comments?
  
Originally I planned to use a tent, but all my prospective partners 
have had to decline (know anyone who is hiking the Long Trail this 
August and looking for a hiking partner too?)  If I do wind up going 
by myself, it would be nice not to take the tent (to save weight).  
Any opinions on relying on the shelters?  This seems chancy if it 
starts to rain (we just had seven straight days of rain here in MI), 
since I would think they would fill up fast.  The other concern of 
hiking without a tent would be going to sleep under the stars (clear 
sky) to be woken in the middle of the night by a rainstorm that 
suddenly moved in.  Any thoughts on this?
  
Right now the plan to return to the car when the hike is finished is 
to hitch-hike back north.  Are there particularly good routes? or 
bad routes?  I also have not been able to figure out if Greyhound 
can provide a backup.
  
I have heard that the northern section is particularly rugged, and 
that expected mileage should not be more than 14 to 16 miles per 
day.
 
Thanks very much for any information supplied.
Karl.
From: gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: GPS
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: gascan@dcst16.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

GPS stands for Global Positioning Satellite.  This thread concerns the use of
receiving devices, esp. those similar to what was used in Desert Storm.  It's
essentially a little box that tells you what lattitude and longitude you're located
at (which is very useful in the middle of a featureless desert).  It does this by
receiving signals from the GPS's.
---
1. Bill Gascoyne
From: fuegi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Aaron D Fuegi)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Swiss Army Knife the best?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:20:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Having listened to all the other responses so far, I certainly have to add my
2 cents.  I have never used the Leatherman so can not speak to that but I love
my victorinox Huntsman and have carried it virtually every minute of my waking
life for almost 15 years(btw after massive wear and tear after about 10 years
I sent it back to the company and just as their guarantee said they completely
and beautifully fixed all elements of it, including giving me a new tweezers
and toothpick which had been lost.  I was most stunned of all by the fact that
they had actually repaired it-I recognized a few scratches-as this required 
major amounts of work including compltetely new plastic sides, spring for the
scissors, etc.  I fully expected them to replace it and am sure it would have
been cheaper.  Honestly, though, I was so happy they didn't as this old knife
truly has become an old friend to me and I even almost didn't try to get it
repared just because I didn't want to lose it.  As it was I got the best of
both worlds).

As for the specificis of use, I really do think that the SAK would make an
excellent gift and you should go with it.  The Buck Knifes(and I have a Hunter
which is wonderful) are certainly not the same kind of things and would not
make nearly so utilitarian but safe a gift.  I am extremely happy with my
Huntsman and find its only significant lack to be that of a phillips 
head screwdriver and this problem can be gotten around with the use of either
the regular slotted head screwdriver for large screws or the end of the bottle
opener for small ones.  In terms of use I have used basically every single
element of mine many, many times and find none to be insignificant.  In order
of common use it is probably scissors, knives combined, screwdriver, bottle
opener, saw, corkscrew(this really is sometimes useful at parties although a
bit of a pain but much better than nothing), toothpick, tweezers, awl.  As I
say evey one of these tools really has its uses and I would miss any of them.

I recommend against anything bigger than the Huntsman as some of the extra
items like the magnifying glass are pretty pointless and not worth the cost or
the weight.  If you can spare some of the gadgets in the Huntsman the very 
small versions really do have a place and are far lighter. 

Hope this helps you out.

Aaron
(fuegi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu)
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Environmental BS
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:04:31 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


     It seems to me that people are so receptive to environmental news 
and general stimuli, that if you jsut mention the environment (anything 
about it) you have a selling point right there.
     Do we really care, that Chevron is replacing the bunnies? One knows 
that bunnie-rabbits are not the most FRAGILE item in the woods. Are we 
being fooled to believe that anything warm and fuzzy should be nutured?- 
What about rats?

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From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: MSR Whisperlite
Summary: OOPS
Keywords: Eating my words, pass the salt.
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:49:59 GMT
Organization: Unorganized, obviously.

In article <1992Jul21.191324.7488@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> smmyers@PacBell.COM (... .. ...) writes:
>
>He said Zippo...  I can't remember the name of the lighter fluid that you put
>in Zippo's, it comes in different brands, the most common being a yellow
>bottle with blue writing (I'm sure somebody will follow up to this and let you
>know the name.) but you definitely don't use butane... Sheesh...  I don't
>beleive that white gas would suffice in a Zippo (something having to do with
>evaporation).  But hey, I've never tried it.

OOPS, I stand corrected, I don't know how I managed to confuse a Zippo
with a butane lighter. I think I'm due for a vacation :) How about
backpacking?  After I posted my article, I realized it and canceled the
article, but not before some people read it. Oh well. 
Anyway, I just happen to have in my lab a can of RONSONOL lighter fluid
(the blue and yellow can) which says it contains naphtha. Personally,
I've always used matches. 

Steve again
From: rgasser@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Tent Camping in Great Smokey Mtns HELP!
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:05:29 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Any information on the following will be greatly appreciated:

Information on Tent Camping sites, reservations, likely availability,
locations, suggested routes/sites/places to stay, and anything else
anyone would like divulge regarding a trip to the Great Smokey Mountains
National Park the week of August 10, for several days.

We are looking for just the basics, primitive sites, to relax and do some
fishing/hiking nearby.  It's just my best friend and I, so don't need
anything for a family.  

ANything anyone can help with will be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Rob Gasser





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From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: sustained yield forestry
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:44:35 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <Jul22.143631.54123@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>Yeah, right, that's the ticket!  Cut 'em all.  Earth was given to man (notice
>traditional sexist language here) to use, right?  Well, let's use it!  Enough
>of this namby-pamby save-the-earth crap!  Let's get to work!  Keep this
>economy rolling!  Keep us all fully employed!  We've got trees to cut, so
>let's cut 'em!

Right!

Like Ed Abbey said, "Emphysema creates jobs." **

Good going!

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From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Canoeing/Camping in Maine
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:12:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul24.212537.8632@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
mefels@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Mark Fels) writes:

> Hello out there, I was wondering whether anyone knows if there are some 
> descent places in Maine to go canoeing. Preferably being fairly isolated 
> for a 5/6 day trip.

I just came back from 8 days in the West Branch Penobscot/Allagash
region.  It was wonderful.  For maps, rules/regulations and other info
call or write to:
   The North Maine Woods, Inc
   PO Box 421
   Ashland, Maine 04732
   (207)
or

   Great Northern Paper Co
   1 Katahdin Ave
   Millinocket, Maine 04462
   (207) 723-5131

If you need an outfitter I have dealt with great satisfaction with
Pelletier's Campground in St. Francis Maine and Folsom's Air Service in
Greenville, Maine.

Good luck.

David
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pauln@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: MSR Whisperlite
Organization: CSIR
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:29:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.152818.12165@ugle.unit.no>, njb@iok.unit.no (Nils Jacob Berland) writes:
> question is simply: Can anybody tell me what "Coleman Fuel" or "White Gas"
> is so that I can tell the chemical company here in Norway what to look for.

I use benzine, which gives me no problems at all.  You mileage might vary.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,misc.rural
From: matroyan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Goin' to Alaska
Keywords: Alaska
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:02:42 GMT

Leaving Aug 18th for Denali.  3 weeks of backpacking there, unless someone
has a better suggestion??? (hint hint)

We'd like to go as far backcountry as we can feasibly get.  We won't have a
car, we'll just be flying in to Anchorage and taking the bus to denali.
From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: 15388
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

x90watz@gw.wmich.edu (mike at WMU) writes:
> 	The only type I have seen are Hi-Tec at American Eagle Outfitters
> (quality?).  Please E-Mail any suggestions to me. 

I've had a couple of pairs of HiTecs and won't buy another.  The linings
self-destructed far too soon.  I'm currently using one of the Vasque
lightweights; too soon to review.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330