Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:26:00 EST
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Affirmative Action should be Dead
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec31.214827.21442@samba.oit.unc.edu> <93004.073728KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1993Jan6.023118.23224@samba.oit.unc.edu>

In article <1993Jan6.023118.23224@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) says:
>
>>>> The doors of opportunity are still closed
>>>> for Blacks in many areas and many professions.
>
>>>Could you name any of these mythical areas and professions? There are
>>>(unfortunately) many race based opportunities but all of them are
>>>denied Caucasians and not Blaks.
>
>>    Until a few weeks ago, there were zero black head football coaches in
>>college football,
>
>How many are there suppose to be? What is your quota?

   Well Terry, you are definetely out of your league here.  There is no quota,
no one ever said there was, but if you know anything about football you would
know that in the hiring of football coaches, Black coaches have been over-
looked for LESS QUALIFIED white coaches for a long time. There is no quota, but
the best person for the job should be hired in a perfect society, and when
Black coaches are overlooked for positions and white UNDER-QUALIFIED coaches
are hired in front of them, there is a problem.

>
>
>>As one Athletic Director said, "I can't see a Black coach
>>relating to our Alumni".
>
>I thought Spike Lee was a filmmaker, not an athletic director.

    What?  Spike Lee did not say this.  I am trying to understand the
humor/relevance of this statement!?!

>
>>That sounds like a pretty closed door.
>
>Could you name the school involved?
>

    Now come on Terry, just how naive are you?  This was said anonymously and
reported by Dr. Harry Edwards, who is THE prominent sports sociologist in the
country and who does consulting work for the NFL and Major League Baseball.
Sorry Terry, I think Dr. Edwards knows more on the subject than you!

>>How many
>>Black federal judges were appointed during the Reagan/bush era?
>
>How many were there suppose to be? What is your quota here?
>Does the name Clarence Thomas ring any bells?

    There is no quota (didn't I say that before), but you can't tell me that
there aren't qualified Blacks out there who are eligible for federal judge-
ships!  OK, you named one, one out of the over 300 appointments that Reagan/
Bush has made, and he is unqualified for the position that he holds (in my
opinion).  Figures YOU would bring him up!

>
>>I watch the
>>Nightly news on the networks, I see a lot of Black faces!
>
>I'm not surprised you keep count.

   It is not hard to count on one hand, even for someone who knows as little
as myself.  Yes, I keep count, so I am glad you are not surprised!

>
>>How many Black women are stars in Hollywood?
>
>How many are there suppose to be? What is your quota?

    There is no quota (how many times do I have to say this!).  No one is
yelling about quotas.  Hollywood makes movies about life.  By not having
predominate roles for Black women they are saying that they are not part of the
fabric of American life, which you and I know simply isn't true.  But I am
happy with some of the strides that the industry is taking.  As late as the
1970's we only had a few Blacks who were given the opportunity to be stars in
the movies (Sidney Potier, Bill Cosby to name a few), but now we have more
opportunities and that is a step up.  Now all we need is good roles for Black
women.  Are you to deny that Black women are part of our society and should be
depicted on screen?  It just isn't Black women either, Hispanic and Asian-
American women find it hard to get work in Hollywood also.  AND NO ONE IS
SAYING THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF BLACK/HISPANIC/ASIAN QUOTA TO BE FILLED!
(theredid I say it loud enough)

>
>>how many white owned Fortune 500 companies have Black CEO's?
>
>How many are there suppose to be? Quota?
>
>>Are you saying
>>that there are no qualified Blacks to head a Fortune 500 company?
>
>Are you saying that there arn't 500 qualified Caucasians?
>While the facts run counter to the pro-racism propaganda,
>many, many, many Caucasians arn't football coaches, film stars, or
>company owners.
>
  No I am not saying that the people who run Fortune 500 companies aren't
qualified (well, maybe in some instances, who came up with New Coke anyway?).
But can you tell me that there are no qualified Blacks?  Are you saying that
 the 500 most qualified people in this nation are white?  Probability and every
other notion says that that the odds of that being the case is astronomical!
It is funny but I don't think Terry understands percentages and probability
(I can understand not comprehending probability, a lot of college students
don't, but percentages?  How did you get out of 4th grade?)  Terry loves to
speak in absolute numbers by saying:  "If there are 90 whites and 10 Blacks
and 10 whites and 9 Blacks get laid off, then the whites are hurting more then
the Blacks."  Only an idiot would say that, and if you read Terry's posts, she
says it constantly and seems to be saying it here!
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