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From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Subject: Re: Questions and Answers Re: FWWM (Spoilers)
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:33:34 GMT

In <Btu9AI.JIs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>     Not to glorify rape here, but wasn't Ronette roughed up just a TAD more
>     by Leland?  Enough so she was beaten up hideously, to the point of
>     possible neurological damage, raped ("several times" - meaning to me,
>     more than just having sex with Leo and Jaques), fingers broken (presumably
>     while Leland tried to shove a letter under her fingernail)...  In
>     FWWM, poof, she's untied, she's outta there...  

Argggh.  how many people are going to mention this incorrectly?  lebobland
didn't put the letter under her fingernail until later when he tainted
her IV in the hospital.

i too thought that a couple of threads were weakened.  her getting raped
multiply by three men, the whole scene in jacques' cabin (it didn't even
look the same to me!), and the fact that the OAM (mike) was hanging
around.  i seem to remember hawk see the footprints of just three
men, and used this information to form the scenario that we got in the
show of leland carrying the girls away, etc.  also, in the show, the scenario
was that jacques went outside and passed out, a far cry from being bashed
in the head by leland, but there really is no way cooper, truman, hawk
et.al. could have deduced that, i guess.

>     But incredible: Bobby shot some guy!  I thought that was dropped for
>     good -- and it was that prick deputy from Brooklyn, that was really
>     unexpected.  

brooklyn?  i thought it was the guy from deer meadow.

>     Interesting about Agent Desmond too... him and David Bowie, sounds
>     like the makings of a post-Cooper (if need be) second film...

yes, and they even have some footage cut from this film.

>     What happened to the stuff at the end?  I saw some slides with Hawk
>     in the Waiting Room... and the Dweller in the Threshold... and Major
>     Briggs... and Annie (but in her hospital room... with a ring, but
>     Dale's ring, not the one in the movie)...  I guess this was all shot,
>     or there wouldn't be action-slides on the sets; so it was cut?  What
>     a bastard he is!!!

>           Scott

now, after reading all these postings, my main question involves
the location of deer meadow.  in the show (pilot) cooper tells
the town folk that "a year ago, a girl named theresa banks was
killed in the southwest corner of this state..."  or at least
somewhere in the first episode or three, he mentions SWWashington.
TP is located in NEWashington.  how does this work out?  was
leland visiting theresa in SW?  or did TB later move to the SW
before leland visited her?  did LP and RP travel all the way
out there (that's a long way) just for a little fun?  what was
the deputy of deer meadow doing in TP, several hundred miles
away?  the only thing i can think of that answers all this stuff
is that they decided to toss the idea that DM is in the SW corner
of the state for convenience.

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: bp092@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Ogrinz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Lodge wound...
Date: 3 Sep 1992 12:32:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Anyone else mention yet that the wounds Cooper and Leland have
while in the lodge seem identical? Perhaps a by-product of
posession?


-Mike
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Questions in a world of blue
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:43:03 GMT


George Noel <georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca> writes:
>    Also, what is the significange of the ring? Theresa had it, she died,
>    the one armed man had it, he had his arm removed, the little man had
>    it, he said he was the arm, Laura had it, she got killed AND wasn't
>    the ring given to Cooper in a dream in the series and later taken
>    from him by The Giant? Cooper later gets trapped in the Black Lodge
>    and is possed by Bob so this ring seems to have trouble surrounding it.

The ring that Cooper had was not the same ring as the one shown in FWWM.
Cooper's ring was a plain gold band that was his mothers', according to
'My Life, My Tapes.'  The ring in FWWM has the heiroglyphic 'owl' sign
that was seen in the series in Owl Cave (on the rod that Windom turned),
but the ring itself was not seen in the series.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:47:36 GMT
Organization:  I'm part of a massive Blonde Conspiracy

In article <17otp3INNkvp@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>minor spoiler for tp:fwwm
>
>
>okay what is symbolic of that dog....seemed to be similar to
>"familiars" of devils, etc. a hound from hell, from which
>is born the anti-christ. so, is it like the owls, another
>form of the black lodge creatures?

A black dog is a commonly sacrificed animal in certain occult rituals.

(mis-spent youth)

>sally---yes that picture had to be the best, and most freaky part of
>the movie--a. wilson

Definitely!

      Tyger
-- 
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From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: FWWM (SPOILERS), Annie, diner
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:22:26 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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Ok, here we go. This article contains spoilers for FWWM. If you haven't seen
it and don't want to be spoiled, get out of this article NOW.













































I enjoyed FWWM (saw it, twice, about 5 weeks ago here in Sweden, it premiered
July 10).

However, I thought it should have been a TV movie instead. Actually the first
of a couple of TV movies. That way, we would probably have gotten more info.
2 hours 20 minutes is not enough to tell that story.

A couple of comments:

-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?

-- In the first part of the movie, Chet Desmond and Sam whatshisname went to a
diner. In that diner there was a copule, a middleaged man looking 'like a bum'
and a younger girl looking verrrry elegant. The man said something like 'are
you asking about the young girl that was murdered'. I got the impression that
those folks were from the lodge, or some similar place.

-- Also a question. Why was the FBI called in to investigate the Theresa Banks
murder ? Did she 'cross the stateline' or was it because it was a 'blue rose'
case or.... ?

-- Is there any connection between 'blue rose' and Project Blue Book ?


Anyway, I hope for a second film, with more info. on the time after the series
end. Even though I doubt it will happen....

/Sture
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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: Other questions from the TV series.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:27:29 GMT

   There were just a few more things I wanted to ask and point out
from the original series (I haven't seen the movie yet though.)

Why did Hank always carry around a domino with 3/3 dots on it??
He sent a picture of it to Josie and said 'Get my message??'

I noticed in your notes that you all keep referring to 'black dog'
from the movie.  There are black dogs in the original series.
In episode 1 when josie is sitting by the mirror the 1st scene that
you see is a statue of 2 black dogs.  Later on, at the episode where
Andrew packard comes into the room and hands Josie a drink- Josie is
again by the mirror, but the black dog statue has changed.  One of
the dogs is now in a howling position instead of lying down.  

I noticed that the 'puddle portal' occurs twice in twin peaks.  At
the episode where bob says "I'm out", and at the episode where Maddy
is killed.  The puddle is outside the roadhouse (a close-up of the
'bang-bang' sign is shown reflected in the puddle)

I will probably have other questions after I go watch the movie.
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: What's in the video that wasn't in the pilot.
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:16:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

I got a copy of the video of the pilot with the added ending and
watched it after seeing FWWM.  I haven't rewatched any of the series
since it aired so I don't remember all the details.

Can someone post what parts of the video movie did not air
in the pilot?  

I know that Bob getting shot in the basement isn't in the series.  It
doesn't fit anyway and was obviously an ultra-feeble attempt at a
quick and dirty ending in case they had to show the thing stand-alone.

Was the part were Sara Palmer saw Bob in Laura's room in the series?
I remember a part in the series where there was a sketch of Bob that
they eventually showed Ronnette in the hospital.  Is that the sketch
from Sara's description or did it come from somewhere else?

There was a part at the end of the video movie where Cooper and others
were in the red room with the zig-zag floor.  Was the red room shown
in the series any time before the end of the second season?

Were any other scenes in the video moive not in the aired pilot movie?

T
hanx, Ken.

(I hope they release the 3:40 version of FWWM on video, the sooner the better)
-- 
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glimpse of it, and invite it to return some other time.      -John Bitmap
From: edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM (Spoilers dead ahead, cap'n!)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:06:35 GMT
Reply-To: edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury)
Organization: Garden Lane Software

In article <cwaeqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
>
>What does "The Pine Float" refer to?
>

 Interesting, I've just seen the movie and I don't have the sound
 track so I totally missed that reference. You do know what a pine
 float is, don't you? It's an old expression I haven't heard since
 I was a child. It's a toothpick in a glass of water. Were is that
 phrase used? Is is one of the tracks on the disk or was it a line
 in the movie?




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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: And now... my review...
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:04:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug27.180339.7177@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <i296PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo) writes:
>> I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
>> It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
>> Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
>> It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
>> not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
>> now...
>
>Myself, I bought it for _The Sycamore Trees_. Ghod I love that song... so slow
>and sad and more than a little erotic... seductive... AMAZING! Let's face it,
>if Lynch decides to give up filmmaking, he could make big money as a songwriter
>
>The liner sayd David playes "percussion" on 2 songs. Since there is also credit
>given for the drums, my bet it that's him on the moraccas (sp?).
>
>Any other guesses?

That's what I figured, too. Lynch on the moraccas...that's a funny sight I bet.

I liked "The Black Dog..." though. It adds some variety to the album.

BTW, who is "Thought Gang?" Is that the name that Lynch and Badalamenti et al
chose for themselves? When did they first use that name?

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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Questions in a world of blue
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:38:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Aug29.083023.669@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
(George Noel) wrote:
>    Here are some thoughts/questions about the movie..
> 
>     How did Laura and Ronnette know Theresa Banks? I know they possed all posed
>     in "Fleshworld", but did Theresa ever work at One Eyed Jack's with Laura
>     and Ronnette or was the connection there because of the drug deals?

We can't be sure from the movie. Any or all of the above could be the
answer.
     
>      Also, I assumed the person Theresa was blackmailing was Leland thus why
>      he killed her, but how did Theresa know Leland again?

We don't know how. One possibility is Leland contacted her because of her
ad in Fleshworld.
      
>       Who lived in the trailer that Agent Chet Desmond found the ring under?
>        My guess would be the one armed man?

Nope. It was the Old lady and her grandson. She was called Mrs. Tremond in
the original, has a different name in FWWM but I forget.
> 	   
> 	   I assume the man that Bobby killed was the Deputy of Meadow Creek.
Yup.
> 	   How is he related to the drug deals? (Did he work for Jean Renault?)

We don't know, but the contact was made through J.

> 	   Is there a connection between that and why Theresa Banks got killed?
Nope.
> 	   Also, why did Laura call the deputy "Mike"?

Good question. Wish I had an answer.
 	    
> 	     The picture of the room with the door opened that was given to
> 	     Laura, was that the room "above the convenience store"?

Nope. That room is shown in the vision sequence during Bowies part.

> 	     At the end, I assume Laura was entering the White Lodge? The
> 	     good Cooper was there also. But the question still remains..
> 
> 	      How *IS* Annie? :-) She was full of blood in Laura's dream but
> 	      that doesn't mean she is dead. Hmm..

We can't be sure, but things are looking worse for Annie's physical
survival. My guess is that whatever made it to the outside world was dead
(most likely, given the looks on Harry and Doc's face) or died. Her spirit
is probably in the white lodge.  In Laura's dream she says  
"My name is Annie.  I've been with Dale and Laura.  The good Dale is
in the lodge and he can't leave.  Write it in your diary."
> 
> 		-=*George*=-

-Rich
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Soundtrack requiem
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:48:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep2.232654.827@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
>Would someone give me the name of that requiem at the end of the film?
>Is it on the CD soundtrack?  I suspect that it isn't, as the film credits
>mentioned some requiem recorded by a symphony orchestra, and there is no
>mention of this on the CD.

Requiem in C Minor composed by Luigi Cherubini.
It isn't on the soundtrack *8^(


ed



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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: How do they pronounce "FWWM" ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:27:18 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX

David C. Stewart writes:
>
>	I have noticed that news stories about "Fire Walk With Me" have
>been pronouncing it like:
>
>	"Firewalk with me"
>
>rather than
>
>	"Fire, walk with me".

I've heard this several time on local movie reviews.  Maybe the press kit
for FWWM has something to do with it--anybody have one?

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Thoughts
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: goldberg@iastate.edu's message of Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:50:22 GMT

In article <goldberg.715355422@vincent1.iastate.edu> goldberg@iastate.edu (Adam Goldberg) writes:

   Ok people, I have been reading this group for 6 months, I went back and watched
   all the episodes again, and saw the movie.  [I have a life?] and here are
   my thoughts:

   I whole heartedly agree with the addiction theme, remember that the old lady
   said to Donna, "I don't eat creamed corn".  probably a reference to the fact
   that she did not partake in the substance.

No, she says: ``Do you see creamed corn on this plate?  I ordered no
creamed corn.''  This leaves open whether she ever partakes of creamed
corn.  By the way, can anybody make out exactly who is eating the
creamed corn at the end there?  The close up was so tight, I couldn't
tell.

   The white horse means someone is drugged, not death.

It could also mean that Leland is going into his BoB phase, since both
times we saw it: (1) Leland had drugged Sarah; (2) so he could become
BoB and abuse/attack Laura/Maddy.

   Now ...  Here's the big one...
   I think Bob, Mike's familiar (owl) turned on Mike.  This is when Mike
   realized the errors of his ways and cut off his arm (LMFAP).  He physically
   cut off his arm as a symbol of his turning, so he could be sure that he
   would never revert back to his old ways.  See, LMFAP seems to posess ARMS.
   The arm goes dead, remember?  

More importantly, at least in the case of Teresa Banks, it's the LEFT
arm, which is the one Mike is missing, which would be the arm that the
LMFAP is.  (Remember, he stands where Mike's left arm would be when
they are together in the Waiting Room/BlWhiteack Lodge.  (I don't
remember if the arms that trembled in the series were left or right
arms, though.)

-30-
Bob
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Continuity questions on FWWM vs. TV episodes  <Spoilers of sorts>
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:57:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <2AA2C420.744@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
>jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:
>>   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
>>   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

>ingria@BBN.COM writes:
>>She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
>>way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

>That was to Harold.  She was supposed to say it to James.

No, she wasn't.  What James recounts didn't take place on the night of the
murder, but some other time that they were in the woods.  It ended with
her saying, "Do you want to play with fire, little boy?"  Guess it was one
of those things that Lynch didn't think was important enough to show.
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: RE: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:44:19 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:

> 
> In a previous article, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> >I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
> >	Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
> >would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
> >possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
> >the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
> 
> Remember when the dwarf said "I am the arm?" I think he somehow represents
> the evil that MIKE lost when he lost his arm and was "purified." 
> But when did this supposedly happen to MIKE? After Laura's murder?
> 
> -
> Bart "Webb" Tilney		|   "All of life is a blur 
> Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    of Republicans and meat!"

It couldn't have happened after the murder or Mike would have A had the arm 
through out the movie, and B not worned laura about mike.

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From: gerry@pizzabox.dialogic.com (Gerry Lachac)
Subject: Re: I want my garmonzobia!  (spoiler?)
Organization: Dialogic Corporation
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 02:33:32 GMT

In article <p5h0nq4@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>i want my garmonzobia!
>
>what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?

I don't know the spelling, but at the end of the movie (near the end)
they repeat the sub-tile again, but with "pain and suffering" in
parenthesis. I took that as being the definition.
From: tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: NO one is innocent in Twin Peaks.. but me...
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:42:11 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Erk! I've been going off to every record store in Edmonton since the 11th 
when the Soundtrack was released in the US.. I've checked with most of 
the stores and they don't even have it on their range sheets... Grr.. 
What's worse: a more popular store known as Sam The Record Man also gets 
alot of importeted stuff before the competition does.. THEY have the 
Soundtrack listed as comming this month but they only know it by: "Twin 
Peaks"... AND now.. the final rip off.. They *HAD* two copies in which 
sold the moment they came out of their boxes...
SO, I'm still waiting for the stuff...3 days left till...

"The killer WILL strike again... when or where we don't know..."

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^)
Subject: Chris Isaak singing in FWWM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:03:44 GMT

I just had a wonderful thought in my sleep last night.  Wouldn't it be cool
if Chris Isaak had shown up in the red room at the end and started
singing Roy Orbison's "In Dreams" ala Jimmy Scott.  After all, Isaak's
singing has often been compared to Oribison's and it would tie in to
all the dreams in the movie plus be a good reference to Blue Velvet.

Well, I did think of it in my sleep after all...
-- 
^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: yop, meathead!
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223326.3714@spcvxb.spc.edu> finlay_j@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

>Did you ever go out on a date because you were too lazy to
>commit suicide?
>

alt.sex.woody-allen.

<ESC>


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