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From: GRYMBLE GRUMBLE <williama@kenyon.edu>
Subject: TENTATIVE LIST FOR PICTURE GROVEL
Reply-To: williama@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:23:24 GMT

HEY EVERYBODY!

Well, it seems like every second I get a new email message in my mailbox
for the picture grovel. I've tried to kkep up and reply to everyone
who has written me but lately I've fallen behind. I need some time
to organize my folders and stuff (you know separate tape offers from
picture grovels from general insanity) so I decided to list what I
have right now, so I can kind of have it for my records. If there
is a mistake or problem just email and I'll try to get it straightened
out. So I present to you all...

        THE UNOFFICIAL DRE PICTURE GROVEL LIST (applause)

     MONEY                                  TAPES

JOHN J. LISTON                         ERIK D. GUSTAVSON
SCOTT KAUFMAN                          ROBERT ? (IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU)
NEIL C. BERKMAN                        PETER KRAUTSCHEID
CARR ? (GT6779C@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)      SETH B. (?)


*<-THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM I'VE SPOKEN TO AND CONFIRMED->*

|To HAMISH and PETER KRAUTSCHEID: I am waiting on Shelly to give me
                                  an answer on if we're allowed to 
                                  scan stuff. If so, have fun! What is
                                  the FTP anyway?

|To SCOTT HAYES: Yeah, I'll be talking to you about trading photos
                 for photos. (I like that you've started your own
                 picture grovel, cause you can never grovel enough!)
                 Besides, we also got tapes to trade so you'll be
                 hearing from me alright. :-)

|To JEFF MAGARD: I didn't know what list you wanted to be on (or at
                 least I don't remember) so if it's not too much
                 of a hassle...could you email me telling me what
                 you want? I'm sorry if you already told me but I
                 really can't remember.

O.k., so far these are the people who are confirmed for the official
grovel when it happens. If you do not see your name please email me
again or be patient because I still am sorting out my mail. Once again,
remember that before the grovel post there will be an OFFICIAL DRE
PICTURE DESCRIPTION post in which I will try my best to describe the
either all the pictures or just the best ones. In that post I will
also list costs for enlargements, my snailmail, instructions for
the grovel, etc. BUT BE FOREWARNED, SEND YOUR REQUESTS NOW BECAUSE
IF I GET SWAMPED WITH A ZILLION MESSAGES AFTER I POST THE DESCRIPTIONS
I WILL MOST LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL ANY OF THEM BECAUSE IT WILL
BE TOO LATE! ALSO REQUESTS SENT AFTER THIS TIME WILL HAVE TO BE
MONEY RELATED (UNLESS YOU CAN OFFER SOME UNREAL TAPE) AND AS I SAID
BEFORE, EVERYONE WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AFTER XMAS BREAK.

                        Hope this cleared things up a little,
                                                             dre

To all of my Kenyon bruha's: I'll try to hook you guys up
                             before we take off. (Matt,M,Mario,Skal,etc.)

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Ferdinand Becker Drane <fbdrane@phoenix.princeton.edu>
Subject: re:trey's solos
Reply-To: fbdrane@phoenix.princeton.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:45:17 GMT


|Anybody care to share their favorite jams?

         Boulder Theatre; 11/3/90 - Mike's-Weekapaug
         Roseland, NYC  : 3/14/92?- Harry Hood
         Northshore Surf Club, Olympia WA - 10/91?(Gamehenge show) - Reba
         Middlebury, Vt: (we're a bit sketchy on dates we realize, 91)- Divided
         Capitol Theatre: 11/27/92 - Possum (outrageous)


Just some of our favorites that spend considerable time in the tape deck.
Would enjoy other correspondence re: this matter. Peace and Happy Holidays.

                                   Toph and Beck

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: myersm@coch3.alleg.edu (Michael Myers)
Subject: re: first concert story...
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:08:00 GMT


I remember somebody posting about wanting to hear stories about people's  
first concert (not necessarily phish) experience. 
My first concert was the Police on their Ghost in the Machine tour at  
McNichol's arena in Denver (Go Go's opened). I was like 10 or 12 or  
something around there, and I was a Police fanatic. I had floor seats  
pretty close to the stage. One problem though: I was pretty short and  
couldn't see a thing. And the guys next to me were trying to pass me a  
joint. Anyway, I couldn't see, so I walked into the aisle, and some  
security guy told me I had to stay at my seat, so I walked away. Somehow I  
ended up by the sound and lighting board, and some kind crew member let me  
stand up on their platform. One of the best views and listening locations  
I've ever had in my life. The police kicked ass, especially Stewart  
Copeland, who I still think to be one of the greatest drummers ever. Long  
live memories of the police, long live stewart copeland. 

Gone Phishing,
Michael Myers 
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From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Subject: Language discussion
Reply-To: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:52:09 GMT

  I thought Markus raised some good points in his (long) article.  I have been
somewhat bothered by the language in that I haven't decided if I think it's
really funny or if it is a lot like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.  I've been
known to waver quite a bit on this one.  
I guess what it boils down to is that on some level I kind of am an elitest. 
(sp?)  Don't get me wrong.  I could care less about how many shows you have 
seen, or whether your first show was at Nectars in 88 or second night Port
Chester.  What I care about is your attitude towards being at the show.  Are you there to hear the music or something else.  I dislike people who go to shows
for the purpose of scoring drugs, 'cause those are the people who will ask me
for some during a Dark Star.  
      This is one reason that I like the language.  Someone who is there to get 
drunk will be confused.  I think that if I were at my first show and everyone 
fell down, I'd be confused AND amused.  It all depends on one's attitude towards 
those things.  Remember the Pranksters?  The idea was to blow people's mind and
see how they deal with it.  I do think that I would find it funny if the whole
audience collapsed and I remained standing.
   Actually, if you think about it, that Other Band is quite elitest too...  I
mean what are stealth shows (or the hotline- although that has lost a lot of
its mystery) if not the band saying, "You can see these shows... if you are hip
enough to find them."  If you have read _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test_, you
know that the Dead have been known to do this throughout their history and say
that you're either on the bus or off the bus.  Talk about elitism...
   Ultimately, what saves the language (in my mind) is the way in which it
draws the line.  Yes, someone seeing their first show will not know to say
"AWW F@CK!", but if they're paying attention and they see a couple shows, it
won't take long to catch on.  If they're just trying to score drugs, they'll
always be confused.  
   -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
p.s. I also am leaving town after Friday.  You can flame me before then, or
you can harrass me during the New Year's run (just not during a set o.k. ?)
if you think I'm an asshole for this...
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Subject: Lushington Miles]
Reply-To: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:28:55 GMT

Shelly said that the song jam was that from David Bowie.  I might be really
misleaded or something, but it sounds like the Fluffhead jam to me.

BTW, how come no one has mentioned the inverse process- mainly The Asse Festival
becoming the jam in Guleah Papyrus?

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg (Don't bother sending me grovels for the above m
mentioned tape until January; I'm going to the New Year's run :@).  Look for
a Geo Metro with New Mexico ZZYZX plates ...)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:09:21 EST
From: <BJP118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Connecticut

     If you want to give me a christmas present, I would like to see
     the shows in Connecticut.  E-MAIL ME...
                                              o
     o                                       o o
     o  o                                      o  o
        o                                     o o
      ...Surrender to the Flow!                  Brian
                                                 bjp118@psuvm.psu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: wettis@rpi.edu
Subject: Re:  Phish Digest #681
Reply-To: wettis@rpi.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:21:56 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  12-Dec-1992 1704" <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Business Week Photo Question
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:15:10 GMT

ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) asks:

Would someone explain how this photo came to be or something, just wonderingf.
I thought that it was ironic that the photo had a Phishnet shirt, and a
Phish hat but under bands it listed Nirvana, RHCP, but NOT PHISH- think
about it!

------

The article was pretty much written and done by the time the picture was taken.
On the Friday of the Portchester show, my brother's girlfriend (who wrote the
article) got some call telling her that they weren't satisfied with some of
the pictures that had been taken, and they wanted some more pictures to choose
from.  I kind of jokingly suggested that if she wanted pictures of a bunch of
18-29 year olds that she ought to send a photographer to the Phish show.  She
started seriously considering it.  Well, that didn't end up happening, but...
after the Friday show, Matt, Rob, Rob, and I drove back to my brother's place
in Manhattan to crash.  When we got up in the morning, Laura (who wrote
the article) told us that there was a photographer coming in a few hours
to shoot some pictures of us.  The whole thing was kind of weird, but a bit
flattering and kind of fun.  Plus, we had a Phish tape playing during the
photo shoot!  For our efforts, we each got to get a CD of our choice, paid for
by BusinessWeek.  Not bad for just standing around and getting your picture
taken.  My brother also got a CD, for the service of providing his apartment.
And he chose Junta!  (i suppose he felt compelled to check out this band that
caused all of these people to travel from afar and converge in his apartment -
and he's said that he likes it)

- rich
From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Touring: How to deal with Popularity surge
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:09:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec12.033738.24488@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dalton@spot.Colorado.EDU 
(lizard man) writes:
>
>The solution: play the same venue, or at least the same town, 2 or 3
>nights in a row anywhere that they have sold-out in the past. Chances
>are, all shows will STILL sell out, but more people will get to see them
>with less crowding in a more enjoyable atmosphere.
>
>Comments? Feedback? Shelly, do you know if this has already been
>considered?

Not only has it been considered, it's been done -- how about Portchester
on November 27 & 28 or Chicago on December 5 & 6?  Granted, it's not
happening at every venue, but it is happening sometimes.

But then again, I believe all four of those shows sold out...so do you really
think it would affect the level of crowding in the venues that much?  My
feeling is that most people I know who would go to see Phish once if they
were playing in their town, would go to see them twice or three times if
there were going to be that many shows...I know I would :-).

Shelly

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: ooops again
Reply-To: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:21:40 GMT

sorry if my ewe posting was a repetion of other peoples responses - 
i hadn't seen those at the time.   peace - chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: BD@u.washington.edu
Subject: Tweezer Reprise - yes
Reply-To: BD@u.washington.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:30:57 GMT

 Someone says:
   >What is it about Tweezer Reprise.Does anyone else go nuts over this
song or is it just me?

Yes. This song makes my fingernails sweat.
Any hackers on guitar out there, be careful jamming to this tune. My acoustic
nearly became good kindling.

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: sibling education
Reply-To: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:59:33 GMT

don't forget to educate your older siblings about phish too!
(carl, are you still out there somewhere or has harvard swallowed
you whole? guess i'll find out this weekend)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL (IF YOU SURVIVE FINALS)!   -chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: MARKUS BRAKHAN <71201.1016@compuserve.com>
Subject: A (VW) to QUEBEC 12/13/92
Reply-To: 71201.1016@compuserve.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:28:19 GMT

Corrections:
(*=forgotten, along with the entire left channel of set I. . .way to
go, Zeke.) Also Note that "Sweet Adeline" was Encore 1, not end I.
I:
======
Buried Alive
Wilson
The Divided Sky
Fee
Its Ice
(okay, ya got me, some f'in' bluegrass tune)
Stash
*The Rift
*Fast Enough for You
*I Didn't. . .
*Vacuum (by "Tubs")
*. . .Know
David Bowie-->

II:
======
Suzy Greenberg
Mound
Bouncing Around the Room
Llama
FluffHEAD-->
Chalkdust Torture
The Man Who Stepped. . .
Avenu Malkenu
. . .into Yesterday
My Sweet One
Cracklin' Rosie
Harry Hood
Cavern

E:
======
Sweet Adeline
Rocky Top, Tennessee




Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Bower John R <jbower@venus.haverford.edu>
Subject: my thoughts
Reply-To: jbower@venus.haverford.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:33:37 GMT

Shelly writes:
I'd like to clarify why the high volume of such posts concerns me -- they
don't actually bother me personally, I don't mind flipping by them when
reading news; but I do worry that people who might have something interesting
to add to our community here will end up not getting involved because they
can't keep up with the volume or don't have the patience to sift a large
number of articles for a relative few concerned with actual discussion.

in regards to the high number of tape/ticket grovels currently on the .net.

My feeling is this:  Let anyone post whatever they want.  My (and I stress this
is my opinion, not some .net mandate) interpretation of the .net is that it is
a forum of communication between fans of the musical group Phish.  I don't 
believe that there should be any topical or subject-related restraints.  In
addition, as a digest receiver, I find it harder to sift through long-winded
discussions on digital taping and God Street Wine reviews than usually one or
two line (NYE grovel contest notwithstanding) grovels.  In fact, I will
encourage (especially tape) grovels.  This gives me a chance to see what other
people in the community want and gives me a chance to help them, if possible.
In return, if I ever (which I have) post a request, I would hope that the 
community here would help me similarly (which it has-thanks Parker H.).  I
consider this sort of interaction an integral part of the .net's function.And I hope that it will continue to be so as long as I'm on the .net.  After
all, where else is there a better place to find extra tickets or tapes of shows
that you want?

Just my thoughts,
jb
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Joseph Collins <collins@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Manteca
Reply-To: collins@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:46:23 GMT

Someone mentioned that they heard Manteca after YEM on 11/26/90.  The only
other tape I have ever heard with Manteca on it is 12/28/90 in NYC.  They
do it during Tweezer right before they go into the big crazy jam.  John
Popper also played w/ Phish at this show for 3 songs including Funky
Bitch.  Now for my grovel: still looking for Buffalo 5/8/92, Syracuse
5/9/92, UMass 5/10/92. see ya New Years, 
     -Joe
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: justin@galaxia.network23.com (Justin Brierley)
Subject: Just My Two Cents
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:11:48 GMT

Howdy,
  With everybody adding their .02 cents on every subject, this is one rich
newsgroup :-) Even though that was a poor joke.
                   Justin Brierley

16 DAYS TILL NEW YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. To the person trying to start a mag. I tried to e-mail, but couldn't.
Drop me a line.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: sheep
Reply-To: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:15:20 GMT

jeremy- an ewe is a female sheep usually a mom-sheep of lambs 
(aka baby sheep). just for the record.:)   chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: PDUMAS%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: help
Reply-To: PDUMAS%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:03:54 GMT

someone get me off of this picky, cliquey, not-fun-anymore
platform of obnoxiousness.  thank you, it was fun for a while.
Peter
what ever you do, take care of your shoes (oops, thats Rich Fromm's)

ps what are the lyrics to Llama and YEM; I can't figure them out.

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: I_HARBILAS@uvmvax.bitnet
Subject: aru tape
Reply-To: I_HARBILAS@uvmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:41:44 GMT

to the guy who wants to trade aru tape-email me again,I tried to save your
response,but when I loged on this last time it was gone.I have a list waiting.
                                Ian Harbilas-UVM
ps-to all those concerned-talks with the guy who kindnapped my dad are not
going well update will follow.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: NYE Costumes, holiday farewells
Reply-To: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:24:29 GMT

  Howdy Y'all!
    So whose going to wear a costume for New Years? Last year
I wore this green tuxedo with lots of ruffles. New Years is a
great time for costumes, and it always makes the show more
interesting(remember the guy dressed as a nun last year who got
chased through the balcony and finally jumped to the floor and
got away?). An idea for costumes is come as your favorite 
character from a Phish song(Col. Forbin, Fee, Esther, etc.). I
doubt I'll dress up because I'm coming from Florida and already
have to pack both summer and winter clothes, but I would love
to see lots of folks dressed up.
 
  Time for sentimentality. 1992 has been a great year for Phish and
the Phish.net, and I am glad to have been a part of it. I wish
you all happy holidays, and may all your tape and ticket grovels
come true. See you at New Years! 
                                 -Brian
 
brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Gumbo
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:21:37 GMT
Reply-To: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Organization: The Internet

Scott Hayes mentioned that he wanted Gumbo back.  I dunno about this one.  I
saw the first Gumbo, and a friend of mine (it was her first show) fell in love
with it.  She kept on wanting to hear it again.  Finally, they brought it back 
for horn tour.  But The Thing? (little Arizona reference) is that they complete-
ly rearanged it.  So I'm reminded of what Trey said about Flat Fee(t); mainly
that it had always been written for horns and now that he had performed it with
the GCH, any version they could do on their own would be pathetic.  Gumbo might
be in the same catagory.
BTW, I remember that when Cavern first came out, I would always think it was
Gumbo when they first started playing it.  In fact, my ophishial name for it
was "The song that isn't Gumbo".  So maybe Gumbo has been superseced.  So,
ZZYZX, you ask, what song you you like revived?  Easy- I would just love a
Destiny Unbound.  Are you listening, guys?

Favorite line: Second Verse of Sparkle
Favorite non-song line: This is what is known as Capitol Punishment (sorry, not
an exact quote and I don't feel like getting my box to listen to it right now.)

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
From: jkrm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Joe Karam)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Tangle subscription info
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Hi all,
	When I was at the HORDE in syracuse I signed up on the mailing list
to get info about Tangle and heard nothing.  then when I was at the phish 
show in cornell, I picked up a little pamphlet explaining what Tangle was.
Last week I got a copy of the same pamphlet in the mail, so I assume that was
from when I signed up at the HORDE.  anyways, here's the info.

On the cover is a picture of trey, John Popper, and Chris barron.
on the inside it explains:
"Tangle is responding to what amounts to a cultural revolution, though you 
won't find it labelled as such by mainstream media.  A small army of bands-
innovative, provocative, young, and exciting-has turned the music scene 
upside down.  Original music is in; extended improvisation is in; rigorous tour
schedules are the rule not the exception.  A diversity of Attitudes, ideas, and
art, which embraces, or complements, or contextualizes the music, has sprung
up like a healthy plant.  Think of Tangle as a watering can, a forum which 
soaks our common ground:  The concerts we're seeing, the books we're reading,
the environment we're trying to save.  Tangle is coming from inside of the
scene we're trying to document, resulting in a magazine that is as much about
you as anything else.  Get Tangled in the web.  Subscribe."

The pamphlet also contains a table of contents and says the premiere issue
will be out in the Winter of '93.  It looks pretty cool.  One of the topics
in the first issue will be "Quantum Leapfrog:  fanzines are entering the 
computer age via Email bulletin boards.  So get on line dude!"

To subscribe to Tangle send:

Name:
Phone:
address:
City:
State:
Zip:

A free 15 word classified ad.

You get 1 year of tangle for $24.  If you subscibe you can also get a "tangle
tshirt" for $5.95.  You can send them a payment or have them bill you later

Their address is:
		Tangle
		c/o OXTOBY-SMITH Inc.
		215 Park Avenue South
		New York, NY 10211-0637

I'm not associated with the magazine at all, but if anyone has any questions
about this, feel free to email me.

OPC:  28 hours to TORONTO!!!  Yay!!  I haven't heard anything about a net
gathering, but I do hope to see some of you at the show.  take care.

Joe

-- 
Joe Karam			
University of Rochester		
Rochester, NY						
Internet Address:  jkrm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Axilla/Gamehenge
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:32:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

When the fall tour started, I heard that the new tune Axilla was another
part of the Gamehenge mythos.  Does anyone out there knwo how it fits in ?
I have read the lyrics over (thanks for them !!) several times and can't
quite figure it out.  If anyone knows puhlease post or email me.
Believe it or not I am actually in the midst of a 15 page paper on Gamehenge
and would love to include the most recent addition, if I can find out what
it all means.

Toronto was great, but what's this 4.25 for a beer, aye?

Only two weeks til the NYE extravaganza begins !!

Matt
mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

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