HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: strange hairless circles on cats
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:40:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Nov18.171350.4279@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by daj8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Deirdre A. Johnson):
> 
> My cat, Tuesday Molly, just developed a hairless patch like this.
> I was a bit worried, so I took her to the Vet, who told me it might be
> ringworm.  I'm supposed to watch her for a week to see if the
> hair starts growing back.  If it doesn't, I'm supposed to go back
> to the vet and get some medicine for her, which will get rid of 
> the problem.  My vet told me it's liable to be ringworm if: 1. there
> isn't any sign of redness or irritation, as there would be with
> bugbites or skin disease. 2. the hair doesn't grow back.  Evidently,
> cats can get ringworm from each other, and can even give it to people
> (though I don't think this is common).  So it's good to treat it and
> get rid of it if you can.  Good luck! and let me know how you do.
> 
My boys came from the breeder with ringworm, and had to be
shaved to the skin!!!.  Even tho it was spring/summer, they
were cold.  I cut up old socks to make sweaters for them.  I
still have those kitty sweaters and I can't believe they
were ever that small.

Re:  human transmittion.  My vet had me scared to death
about that.  Another vet said it is uncommon.  I was at risk
tho, because my immune system is dysfunctional.  It might be
better to keep suspect ringworm victims away from folks with
impaired immune systems.
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
From: ellard@unixg.ubc.ca (Mary)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Problem With Neighbors' Cat
Date: 22 Nov 1992 17:53:10 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca


In article <1992Nov17.230524.22322@unislc.uucp> abb@unislc.uucp (Anne 
Beck) writes:

>"Oh, well she has to learn how to cope outdoors.  And if she got
>into your yard, she should be able to get out."  Then she took
>the cat and went back in the house.  No thank you, no apology, no
>nothing.  I was pissed.
>
>My own cats stay in the house.  When my neighbors were given
>their cat she told me she was going to let it out and I gave
>her the standard "it's probably best to keep it inside" spiel.
>(This was their first cat since growing up; she'd had a cat
>as a child.)  I told her about the cat-hating weirdo down
>the street, the traffic, the dogs, etc.  I never thought I'd
>have to warn her about my own dogs!
>So what would all of you do?
>
Well I'd like to be the one to say a few words in this womans favour
(the neighbour). I recently got a new 6 month old kitty (called
kitty originally enough!). I was advised by all and sundry to
keep her inside out of harms way. Well Kitty was having none of it .....
she parked herself by the door and howled to get out. When I let her out
she made a mad beeline up the road. I worried myself sick about what to
do with the cat. If I let her out I worried in case she ran away or
got savaged by the local cat torturer. If I kept her inside I felt
cruel and was sure I was depriving my young cat of intellectual 
stimulation. I got no school work done because I came home early to amuse 
kitty every day in case she would pine and die of boredom. I got little 
enjoyment out of my  cat since I just worried about her constantly.
Finally I got sense ..I ignored the "keep her inside spiel" ,had her spayed
put her name address and phone no around her neck and sent her out in the 
world.
Eight times out of ten and improving she comes home. The other times
the neighbours get awed by her cuteness and take her in because
she looks lost! I'm sure shes not lost!  She just wants someone to pet
her and ooh and ahh at how pretty her markings are.
So my philosophy is now I can't wrap her in cotton wool. However she
is a mutt ..part tabby ..part abbyssinian. Maybe she has more genetics 
on her side than Annes neighbours cat. I just couldn't help 
thinking that maybe its just as bad to try and keep a kitten inside when
their natural instincts to explore are so strong. I just wanted
to point out that its a damn sight easier to give the keep her inside spiel
than to keep her inside!
                      Mary
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Jumping Cat
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:27:10 GMT

That's SWEET PEA.
          |
In article| <1992Nov17.152251.1@stsci.edu>, lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
          V 
> My cat Seet Pea who loves to have her body pressing somehwere on her Mom Cat 
> will jump onto my shoulder from the floor, whether I am facing her or not. 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams)
Subject: Re: alarm cat
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:33:02 GMT

Park the vacuum cleaner outside your bedroom door, turned on but not
plugged in.  Trail the cord over by the bed.  When kitty scratches on
the door at 4am, plug in the cord for a few seconds.  Works great.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Williams     wd6cmu@netcom.com  |  Never attribute to malice that which
WD6CMU@WD6CMU.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA       |  is adequately explained by stupidity.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hecate@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: vets and bills
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:36:09 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Some vets may chisel, it's true. A word of thanks to
my own vet, though, who has been very kind about
charging only for shots, etc, since I am in dire
financial straits until the lawyers sort out how
much my soon-to-be-ex will give me for maintenance.
I have every confidence that if an emergency came up
with one of my kitties, he would either charge me as
little as possible, or let me pay the bill in install-
ments.

Guess it all depends on the person behind the "Dr."
degree...

Julia (and Patches, Rusty, and Snowy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin)
Subject: Re: Interesting nutrition research
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:01:04 GMT

In article <3374@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

[good stuff deleted]
>
>Oreo got a clean bill of health, except for being 2 1/2 pounds overweight.
>In discussing putting him on a diet (Oreo already thinks I'm trying to
>starve him), my vet suggested no or low calorie snacks if Oreo complained
>too much.  These included popcorn (my vet says his cat loves it), brocolli,
>frozen peas, green beans and other such veggies.  Should be interesting to
>see if I can persuade Oreo that these are really yummy.
>------
>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das

Chessie will steal green peas off my plate, and she likes green beans
and several other legumes, also. She'll kill for cantaloupe! Peeper, on
the other hand, rarely even condescends to the occassional cheese treat.
Peeper strictly prefers seafood flavored edibles.

-- 
 The Seeker		peace to those who come in peace 
 (morin@noao.edu)	    pity to those who don't
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Any Good "natural" food for cat beside canned one??
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:48:34 GMT

In <1992Nov14.192254.27667@serval.net.wsu.edu> jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000) writes:


>There are several "homemade" recipes for cats that are nutritionally complete.
>Are they already posted in the FAQ?

No they are not.  There are lots of recipies, so I made the decision
to give several pointers instead (eg Anitra Frazier's book).

However, a separate faq on this could be done, if people think it's
worthwhile (and contribute recipies!).

--Cindy
--
   Cindy Tittle Moore & Noisy Underfoot (bird watcher extraordinaire)

I post the rec.pets.cats FAQ (in three parts) every 25 days.  To get the FAQ:
ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu and look under /pub/usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/*
(part1, part2, part3), or send email to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part1
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part2
send usenet/news.answers/cats-faq/part3
in the body (leave subject line empty).  Send contributions and comments
to me; send questions not covered in the FAQ to the newsgroup.
From: estherh@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Esther Heller)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:11:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Sox
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats

> ..which is funny since if you've read Cleveland Amory, you'll recall
> that "cats are Republican"...  if you think about it, they really do
> hate CHANGE.  :)  ;)  :)

  All I know about cats and politics is that on the day Richard Nixon
resigned, the late, lamented Galileo and Archimedes were both heard
cheering from the window sill while their humans were out in the parking
lot, "dancing in the streets".  


                         Esther
			 (I get by with a little help from my friends
			   Leela and Romana)

Esther A. Heller           estherh@cup.HP.com
Software Technology Division / Hewlett-Packard / Cupertino, CA  

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Bye to MaiTai
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:21 EST  

In article <1992Nov18.135953.13122@rose.com>, greg.grainger@rose.com (greg grainger) writes...
> 
>Date Entered: 11-18-92 08:44
>On Nov. 15, bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan) wrote:
> 
>B(>Subject: Bye to MaiTai
> 
>B(>Anyway, thanks for letting me unload. Also, it would make me feel better
>B(>if I thought that all the kitties out there got the extra hugs tonight
>B(>that I wish I could give to MaiTai.
> 
>Consider it done. Charley and Lucy are grateful, even if they don't know
>for what . . .
> 
>                                                Cheers,
>                                                Greg.


Also remember that, for those of you that *subscribe* to the `Heaven' 
theory, and if you believe that Heaven will be *personalized* with *your* 
idea of Heaven, there will (in *my* Heaven anyway) be cats there. Now, just 
where do you think those cats came from ? Hmmmmm.... ?

You *will* see Mai-Tai again. Perhaps, so will *I*. :-)


-- Stephen

	Growing up is easier than you think ... one day, you just wake
	up an adult ... and mourn your loss.
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Brown matter in corner of eye ...
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:53:03 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


  Can anyone help with this?  Our little cat Roo is getting on in
years, and lately we've noticed that she's been getting quite
a bit of brown gooey stuff in the corner of her eyes.  It doesn't
seem to be causing her any distress, and we just wipe it out every
so often.  Is this just a sign of age?  Has anyone else encountered 
this with their cats?
  Any help would be appreciated - thanks in advance ...

pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
 ___  ___    /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
|___)   |   /   A Huge Ever Growing Brain That Rules The Centre 
|       |  /                  Of The Ultraworld 
     (_/  /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: New kitten update
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:03:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


Well, the new kid on the block, Bibs, has finally settled in. She's a
tuxedo cat (NOT related to Sox Clinton) and is now about 6 months old.
She went into an early heat which, thank all the odd gods of the galaxy,
only lasted about 2 or 3 days, so shortly thereafter I began
contributions toward the "Bibs Pancake" wing of the Albemarle Veterinary
Hospital. She's doing quite nicely but has a ways to go before her fur is
grown back completely.

Anyway, several weeks ago my older cat, Cleo (6 yrs, brown/grey tabby,
about 13 lbs since she's been eating the "high-test" kitten chow),
finally gave in to Bibs to the extent of washing her ears. Now they have
progressed to napping in a heap, and the chasing episodes are about equal
as to who chases whom.

I think this worked so well because Cleo had never really been separated
from her brother, Correy, and so was used to having another cat around.
When Correy had to make his last trip to the vet in August, I went away
with him and came back with Bibs the same afternoon, so all Cleo had to
do was adjust to a different cat...not to a different number of cats.

Sometimes I think Bibs has a good deal of "water rat" in her background.
I know all kittens (or at least most kittens) go through a phase of
fascination with water, but most I've had grew out of it fairly quickly.
Bibs loves anything that produces a new puddle of water for her to
investigate...especially the bathroom sink. She is also absolutely mad
about the drain-hole in the tub...the plug disappeared years ago and I
seldom take tub-baths, so there is this interesting black hole to stick
paws into...

Hmmm...have to go...hear a can of cat food calling...

--
|  Didi Pancake         |     When you are not looking,                  |
|  ehp@virginia.edu     |            this sentence is in Klingon.        |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|  All the usual disclaimers about the origins of these opinions apply.  |
From: daj8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Deirdre A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Musical setting of Pangur Ban
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:17:59 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Hi Bette!

"Pangur Ban" should be pronounced pretty much the way it's spelled.
The -ng is like the one in "singer" (no glottal stop on the g), and
the "a" is long (a bit like the "o" in "got").  Accent on the first
syllable of "Pangur".  "Ban" is spelled "ban," but pronounced "bawn."
That's why the translator spelled it that way - for the pronounciation.
Hope this is clear, not confusing.

(BTW, the translator says in a note that "Pangur" is a Welsh word,
meaning "fuller."  I looked up "fuller" to make sure I knew what it
was - they were the people who used to beat cloth to thicken it.
So I imagine the Pangur Ban of old was an affectionate beast - I can
picture him sitting on his master's coat - or in his lap - and
kneading away...)

Best of luck with your cat names, Bette!

                                  -Deirdre (daj8m@virginia.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: edr@gtech.com (Eric D. Remington)
Subject: Re: Other Monsters...
Keywords: heater
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:34:23 GMT

In article <26332@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>
>We have just discovered another monster!  It's the heater!  The Horrible
>Heater from Hell...  It has this wonderful  k-tink, k-tink sound right
>now besides the usual bang and roar.  Mia, my Siamese, is over a year old
>now, and evidently had forgotten about this monster from last winter.  It
>was really quite funny watching her sneak down the hallway, having to
>pass by the Heater from Hell.  Accidently walking over heat vents is
>also fun to watch her do.  Our heat vents (living in a mobile home) are
>in the floor.
>
	Oh my cats (Claire and Muriel) know better than thinking heaters
	are monsters from hell, I have steam heat and when the cats hear 
	the radiators sputtering, they both go running to sit beside
	their respective radiator. They both have a radiator they sit 
	next to. Never at another. It is an interesting way to find them,
	just put the heat on. It works as well as opening a can in the
	kitchen.
From: weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Hematomas of the ear
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:40:20 -0500
Organization: Hahnemann University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.hahnemann.edu

Has anyone had experience with hematomas of a cat's ear? If so,
how was the problem resolved?

Thanks in advance...

-- 

Martin S. Weinhous, Ph.D.		weinhous@radonc.hahnemann.edu
Radiation Oncology, MS-102
Hahnemann University 			office: (215) 762 - 8616
Broad & Vine				fax:    (215) 762 - 7683
Philadelphia, PA 19102-1192		home:   (215) 564 - 5986
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Vet costs (was neutering question)
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:23:14 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
> I don't think a person of modest means should be dissuaded from keeping
> a cat just because of the outside chance of a huge expense.  A young
> cat is usually a fairily low-cost pet.  The startup cost -- worming,
> initial shots, fixing -- is about $60 for a male cat and $100 for a
> female.  After that, about $30 a year for shots.  You should learn how
> to clean wounds yourself, otherwise you will end up paying vets for
> cleaning abcesses.
> 
> Assuming you can handle the above, you are financially qualified
> to keep a cat.
> 
> It would be sad indeed if an unexpected expense arises and
> you simply can't pay for it... but look at it this way:
> assuming you got your cat from the pound, it was about to
> be put down anyway, so you've already saved its life once.

There are also alternatives to high vet bills that have to be paid immediately.
When I was in Davis, CA and Ames, IA, I used the services of the vet med
college many many times.  Senior vet students working under direct super-
vision of DVMs.  The bills were smaller, the exams were longer (often
the only drawback, in my opinion), and "oddities" were often referred
to someone studying that specific problem.  

Sometimes, too, an animal with a rare problem that the owner can't pay
for can be treated at the vet school for the experience it gives the
students.  A vet friend recently had a puppy brought in with hairs
growing from the dog's eyeballs.  This is a relatively rare condition,
and the owners weren't willing to spend the $100 it would cost to 
perform the surgery, and wanted the dog euthanized.  Instead, the
dog went to Ames for a demonstration surgery, and has been adopted
by one of the vet students.

I've also had times when I've had a sick cat who needed a vet NOW, but
no real money.  When I've explained this to my regular vets, they've been
willing to trust me to pay a bit on the bill every month, or they've
been willing to take labor in trade for their services (I've typed 
letters, cleaned cages, planted and weeded gardens, watched kids,
and pruned an apple orchard).

The local humane society may know of lower priced vets in the area,
or vets who are willing to cut prices on services to people who aren't
particularly well off.   Ask.

But as other posters have mentioned, being a vet is a business, too,
and vets tend not to have high incomes.  They also have many of the
same expenses as an MD (equipment, office staff) and the additional
expenses of running their own pharmacy (puppy pills and kitty pills
are just as expensive as people pills!).

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Spaying cat? HELP!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Raley)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Nov8.032113.15373@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
...stuff deleted...
I really need some advice from cat lovers...did your cats' personaliity
>change following spaying? was it really traumatic for you and the cat?
>Am I being silly?  Are spayed cats healthier/live longer? Has anyone
>else felt this way? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Jen (mommy to Zebulon, 8months)

My cats have always been males but I think it still applies. The fact of
cats becoming fat, boring, neurotic, etc after being fixed is a myth. They
are more prone to gain weight, especially if they aren't getting enough
exercise, so getting fat is a possibility. You can easily avoid that.

The FAQ says (among many other useful things):

"An unbred, unspayed cat has a much higher risk of developing cancer 
 of the reproductive system. Again, spayed females do not lose their
 energy or change their personality after the procedure".

There are a lot of risks in not getting her spayed. If she escapes 
while in heat, start looking for kitty homes. Be prepared to have toms
trying to force themselves inside your home, and likely spraying the 
outside while they're waiting. Not to mention having to put up with her
generally annoying behaviour while she is in heat.

I have also read that the health risks are high for queens who are never
given the opportunity to mate, besides that quoted above. I don't 
remember any specifics. 

As for personality, my two males became a little bit more affectionate
(so I would like to think :) ), and being outdoor cats they did stay 
much closer to home. Otherwise they're the same calculating, mischievous
beasts they have always been.

- Lianne -
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Super-sensitive cat?
Summary: he knows you're there
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:37:57 GMT
Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hi!  I was just curious about something I discovered recently with 
Finster.  Sometimes when someone is coming down the corridor outside
the apartment Finster would go into panic mode (he's a rather nervous
kitty), dart in the direction of the front door and then quickly, with
his body really close to the ground, as if he was sneaking, he'd
slink off somewhere safe (behind the recliner or into the bedroom if 
the door is open).  This happens about 5 or 10 seconds before the 
person reaches our door and knocks.  The funny thing is, sometimes he
doesn't notice and sometimes he's super-sensitive it seems.  Tonight
for instance, with some friends over and chatting and all, he still 
heard the pizza delivery guy coming down the hall!  Is my cat crazy? :D

Any insight to this would be helpful in understanding my furry call of
nerves. :)

- Eva

= Eva Chan 		| Never lose my youth, I hope it never ends. =
= bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu	| Hope I never lose my wallet!               =
= on IRC: bunny 	|	- Bosstones			     =
=			| 					     =





--
	Andre Berthiaume 	 |  "Sometimes you're the windshield,
				 |   Sometimes you're the bug"
    berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca    |			
				 |	       Dire Straits, The Bug