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From: lmjm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Lee M J McLoughlin)
Newsgroups: uk.sources,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Alternative archive for Umich Mac stuff
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:26:48 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London. U.K.
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src.doc.ic.ac.uk is now an official mirror the Umich collection of
Macintosh material.  It is updated automatically every night.

All the files are in:
	src.doc.ic.ac.uk:computing/systems/mac/umich
(With a shortcut directory of src.doc.ic.ac.uk:packages/mac-umich)

This, along with everything else on the archive, is available via,
ftp, niftp, ftam and email (email for uk users only).

	Lee
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From: heilmayr@beirut.berkeley.edu (Stephan Heilmayr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Command Key Font Symbol
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:42:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Logic Group
Distribution: world
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In article <16sfeeINNcts@agate.berkeley.edu>, dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.011333.29975@u.washington.edu> burrows@milton.u.washington.edu (William Burrows) writes:
|> >I am writing some documentation and would like to include the
|> >symbol for the command key in the documentation. However, I donUt
|> >seem to be able to find it in any font sets. Can anyone help?
|> >
|> I believe the Chicago font is the only common font that has it; it
|> is ASCII 17 which should be produced by control-Q (note this is not
|> the command key but the control key). Also try control R, S and T
|> in Chicago for some other characters not found in other fonts.

There's also a postscript font called Encyclofont (I believe it was made
by the people who wrote _Encyclopedia Macintosh_) floating around (i.e. it's
shareware, freeware, or pd) that has symbols for command, shift, option, etc.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: cerovse@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Corey Cerovsek)
Subject: Re: Where to get floppies cheap?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:23:13 GMT

In <1992Aug26.064225.11164@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:

>Avoid purchasing the cheapest floppies you can unless you can afford to
>a) pay the postage on the ones that format out with bad sectors or other
>defects (to take advantage of the "lifetime warranty") or
>(WORSE) b) LOSE DATA.

>I've used a variety of diskettes from a variety of sources and the media
>produced by 3M, Sony, BASF, and Verbatim have yet to format with bad
>sectors for me.  In contrast the DSDD 3.5" diskettes I bought from
>MEI in 1990 (my last experience with the company) had about 1 disk in
>10 refuse to format correctly (no bad sectors) or "go bad" after a month
>of use.  That 1 in 10 figure is unscientific, but I had a stack of about 6
>bad diskettes out of a 50 diskette order.

Yeah, I bought 50 of MEI's diskettes sometime last year and at least a
dozen have given out in the meantime. Most annoyingly, they format
fine in the Finder but after causing disk I/O problems while reading
show bad sectors with Norton Utilities. Can anyone explain this to me??

--Corey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tbiggs@sierra.com (Todd Biggs)
Subject: System memory useage under system 7
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:49:06 GMT

Why under system 7 on a MAC with 17MB of memory does the system take up 
12 MB of space when the system that is there should only use 3 MB at most ?

I've used the system 7 tune up disk and that doesn't seem to help.  This 
has never been a problem before, but now I need to use all of that memory.     

Thanks in advance.

Todd

Please send responses to:
tbiggs@sierra.com
From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:15:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug29.041526.1212
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

>>I don't use Ventura publisher, I use Pagemaker.  So I don't think I'll call
>>Ventura.  But as I stated above, I have 32 bit flat memory, i.e. 4GB without
>>the tricks etc.  not *kilobytes* but *gigabytes*.

>I don't question whether you can stuff 4GB into your machine.  The 
>question is, can you actually address that much memory?  And the
>answer is, no, at least not reliably.  To give you an example, I
>just tried opening Windows Paintbrush and got an error message
>saying there wasn't enough memory to run the application.  The only
>other program I had running at the time was Xvision, with a few X
>Windows open.  So I checked the Program Manager to see how much
>free memory I had, and it told me 8.8 Meg.  Almost 9 Megabytes of
>free memory, and I can't even open this tiny little paint program!
>640K barrier.  Bam!  This is not atypical of the performance I
>experience every day.  Although MS Windows claims to be a multitasking
>environmental, the number of programs I can actually have running is
>severely limited, not by physical RAM but by Intel's bizarre memory
>architecture.  I repeat, not Microsoft, but *Intel's.*     

OOPS, wrong again.  The 640kB barrier is in DOS, not the Intel hardware
with a 32-bit OS, in my case OS/2, this limit *does not exist*.  I know.
In my computer right now there is 8MB of ram, and I assure you I need
no tricks to access that memory.  As a matter of fact, I have dynamic
virtual memory that is part of the OS and will allow me to easily exceed
the amount of true memory in my system, without having a part of my hard 
disk eaten up permantly.  
    Use facts in your arguments, not BS.

--Carl

-- 
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Computer Engineering Student	*      * boredom, vice, and need.            *
Oregon State University		*      *                                     *
pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu	*      *       ---Voltaire                   *
From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: FOR SALE: PowerBook 9600 baud internal modem
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:31:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: Tomobiki.MS-C.714774698.1103527590.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

Forgive me if this is the wrong group, I normally don't read the c.s.m.
heirarchy other than .announce ...

I recently upgraded the Global Village internal modem in my PowerBook from a
PowerPort/V.32 to a PowerPort/Gold to get 14,400 baud capability.  So, I am
putting my PowerPort/V.32 up for sale.

It is functionally equivalent to a PowerPort/Silver; it is a V.32 (9600 baud)
modem with V.42bis and MNP5 capability.  It also supports FAX at 9600 baud.
It is in the original box with all the bundled software.

I am asking $300 for it.  If you're interested, please send e-mail to
MRC@PANDA.COM or call and leave a message for me at (206) 842-2385.  I'd
prefer to sell to someone in the local area (Seattle) since an internal modem
requires installation by a competant individual.
From: Alec Plumb <aplumb@ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Compatible Systems - How to contact
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:36:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego, IGPP
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:36:33 GMT

Does anybody have a phone number or internet address for a company called
Compatible Systems?  They make a SCSI/Ethernet adapter that is supposed
to be compatible with a Gemini-II accellerated Mac Plus. (The Asante
EN/SC box isn't compatible with this configuration)  Any info would be
greatly appreciated.

Alec Plumb
aplumb@ucsd.edu
From: kfield@bbn.com (Ken Field)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Mac/Unix file sharing
Date: 25 Aug 1992 23:44:22 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Can someone give me, or point me to, a short introduction to s/w
for sharing files between Unix and Mac systems?  I am thinking of
some way to have a Unix (probably Sun or SGI) system function as
a file server for a bunch of Macs, but such that the files can
be editted from either platform.  Please respond via email.
Thanks.

-Ken
Ken Field
BBN Systems & Technologies   |  internet:  kfield@bbn.com
Mail Stop 6/4B               |  telephone: 617-873-3842
10 Moulton Street            |  
Cambridge, MA  02138-1191    |  
USA                          |
From: yuan@asis.unimelb.EDU.AU (William Yuan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: looking for scroll bar INIT
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:47:48 GMT

lorenzo@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:

>I used to have this handy INIT that would remember where I last left off in a
>scroll bar, so I wouldn't have to scroll through all the contents of a 
>large folder everytime I brought the menu back up.  Does anyone know what I am
>talking about and what the name of it is so I can track it down from a ftp 
>site?  

There have been a few INITS of this type: SF Scroll INIT by Andy Hertzfeld,
Rebound, Boomerang and Super Boomerang by H. Yamamoto. All of the INITS except
Super Boomerang are shareware/freeware. Of them all, Boomerang/Super Boomerang
are easily the best. 

Hope this helps,

	William 
From: Kaz.Karl@f1138.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Kaz Karl)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:29:13 -0500

Oh, be real...Perhaps you can buy an si for $2500, but that clunky machine is
the equivilant of the 396SX I just got for a client for six hundred new...and
Mac charges for it's >own< OS software, if you want a legitamate copy...and OS/2
is actully cheaper...and of course you can get a simple freeware utility to
convert Mac TT Fonts to Windows and back...
    As for DOS users only having two useful programs...even if that poll was
accurate(it certainly doesn't typify any of my clients/friends), the implication
that this was because of the difficulty of installation causing DOS users to
fail to purchase more software is just silly speculation...There's nothing to
demonstrate that this isn't actually voluntary and to the user's advantage...
    Nothing bugs me more than this sillyness of trying to believe one's own
machine is the best at everything...You'd better face the facts: DOS machines
have some serious advantages over Macs...like the limitations the Mac resources
set on application design allow DOS programs to be more vertical, that is, they
can be designed to be the >best< at what they do, not crippled by being
universally recognisable...you can't buy accounting or database software for the
Mac that is anything better than middle-of the road on a DOS machine...I should
know, I work with both...And take BBSs...there's absolutely nothing for the GUI
forced on Mac designers to do...it just wastes power that could be used to
process the character chains that are all even boards with GUI emulating
clientware use...
     And even on the GUI is better end...Amiga has a much better interface than
Mac, and handles Multimedia in a way that makes Quicktime even more of a
pathetic embarrasement than it already is...but of course Amiga users are just
as rediculous about claiming their machines are the be-all and end-all as Mac
users, and they are dying from lack of third party support...

Give-take...each has it's strengths and weaknesses...and face it, Mac is still
in second...and this is from someone using a ci...
From: martin@DMI.USherb.CA (Jean-francois Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: How good is AutoDoubler?
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:45:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: DMI.Btsx08.MnI
Reply-To: martin@DMI.USherb.CA
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. De Mathematiques et D'Informatique

Hi, Autodoubler is a great peace of software. It works well on my LC. The
speed degradation is almost imperceptible when lunching compressed
applications (except for Canvas). The reliability is excellent. I never
add a problem like lossing data with AD.

In the other way, Salient Software should do some Interface cleanup with
it's control panel. The meaning of button like Setup and General are
confusing. Finally, DiskDoubler need also a little bit of better design
for its windows (they are badly designed).

The way AutoDoubler work when copying files to other media like diskette
is also questionnable.

Yesterday I has to restore my whole HardDisk. DiskDoubler refused to work 
telling me the installation of DiskDoubler was badly done, I sjould reinstall
from the Master Disks. Yeard...

JF Martin


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: hlindley@alfred.carleton.ca (Hugh Lindley)
Subject: Re: Mac & PC Calendar/Scheduling Software
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:30:04 GMT

In <1992Aug27.194303.5607@walter.bellcore.com> sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor) writes:

>We have a mixed environment of Macs and PC's that are all able to share
>files via Netware and/or NFS. 

>What we're looking for is a Calendar and/or Schedule package that can
>be used on both Macs and PC's and the users can access each others
>calendar files that'll be stored on the common server (e.g. Mac users
>could access the calendar files created by the PC application and
>vice-versa).

>Does anyone know if such a cross-platform application exists.

WordPerfect office provides EMail, Realtime text conferencing and a
Calender feature. It is cross platform between DOS and MAC. WE are
currently looking at it but the only drawback we can see is that is
that it is made by the same company that has given the Mac World
WordPerfect for Macintosh, which in our opinion leaves much to be
desired.   

>Thanks.
>-- 
>Spencer Kantor
>Bell Communications Research

>sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com
>{bcr, bellcore}!nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com!seK

HLindley@carleton.ca
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PB100 deals - thanks everyone (& info if you want it)
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:53:53 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.

Thanks to all the folks who mailed me information on PB100 sightings. I've
now done a rather complicated deal (taking a 6/20 from a contact in Chicago
(hi William) as he takes a 4/40 from someone at U.Penn (hi Josh)) and
we should all be receiving our respective machines soon.

So, by way of thanks, here's the info I picked up and cross-filed in
ThoughtPattern 1.3 while I was tracking down these contacts:

- Whole Earth Provision, San Jose 3550 Stevens: 2/20 $650, w/FDHD $800.
  408-554-1500.

- Whole Earth Access in 408-554-8300. (Same outfit I guess.)

- BAKA got in 72 machines. Contact Jack Zhe, 800-328-2252: $788 w/FDHD.

- Price Club, N. Baltimore 1-2m South of rt40 intersect on rt43 has
  4/40's. 410-574-7500.

- Microcenter Atlanta, 2/20 for $749.

- Computers Etc., 216 Newbury St., Peabody MA. (508) 535-5252. $899.


Have fun, folks.

Nick.
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From: ccjal@cc.newcastle.edu.au (John A Lambert)
Subject: Re: English usage
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 11:50:36 GMT

In article <27947@sophia.inria.fr>, jmale@uranie.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.141105.424@client61.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, carroll@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Carroll Morgan) writes:
> C.Morgan|>       In written English, at the moment anyway, "its" means "belonging to it", and "it's"
> C.Morgan|>       means "it is". Thus for example
> 
> C.Morgan|>       	Its orange? It's orange!
> 
> C.Morgan|>       Carroll Morgan
> 
> 
> 		 Thanks a lot for your grammatical lesson, and feel
> 		 free to correct my poor English if there's any
> 		 mispelled or uncorrect expression.
> 
> 		 We (all non English-speaking netters) have had 
> 		 (or will have) some trouble reading some posts,
> 		 because the poster writes as (s)he speaks, and
> 		 may be the most interesting ones --- the flames ;-), 
> 		 the debates --- are the less readable for non
> 		 Americans.
> 
> 		 So, Carroll, Do you intend to fight for the respect
> 		 of English grammar ? Can I expect to read flames
> 		 that I could understand when those overseas english
> 		 speaking will alter Shakespeare language?
> 
> 		 Does Britannia still rule English?		 
> -- 
> 
>   
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> 
> 	Email: jmale@mirsa.inria.fr
> 
> 
> 
> (Mort aux vaches !)
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The right place for all this is in alt.usage.english

John

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From: syoder@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Yoder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: ATARI Falcon, PC, Mac and all that jazz...
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:04:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <jochenw.715521001@akela> jochenw@akela.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters) writes:
>terms of installed platforms. To prove my point: have you ever seen an
>AMIGA or ATARI ST emulator on a PC or a Mac? Nope, cause nobody's interested
 ^^^^^             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in them. Ever seen PC or Mac emulators on AMIGA or ST? Sure, lot's of em!
>Tell you something?! *grin* (Flames: klick-move-empty_trash :-))))))))))))
>It takes words to express that idea, or any idea."  ---  Michael Swain


    I KNOW we've talked about this one before...

(:-()

Scott A. Yoder
syoder@en.ecn.purdue.edu

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From: jochenw@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: ATARI Falcon, PC, Mac and all that jazz...
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:50:14 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen

syoder@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Yoder) writes:

>>AMIGA or ATARI ST emulator on a PC or a Mac? Nope, cause nobody's interested
> ^^^^^             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>    I KNOW we've talked about this one before...

Scott,

  I hope you've sensed the irony between the lines there! The point is that
there's always some folks around who are trying to convince those, who
are interested in buying a new machine, should buy this and that machine,
since it can emulate the other one and in addition to that has a lot of
other features to offer. When I was first interested in buying a Mac,
a die-hard Amiga Guru tried to talk me into buying an A3000 and a Mac
emulator. I think it was called AMax or something like that. But I'm 
glad I didn't do. Not because the AMIGA is inferior to the Mac. It
definitely isn't, it actually has a lot of features I'd like to see
in a Mac as well. But what do I need an AMIGA for, when all I want
is Mac?! That's what I was trying to explain.

  Jochen.
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It takes words to express that idea, or any idea."  ---  Michael Swain
From: carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Walter C3arlip)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apollo Problem with Large Screen Monitors
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:54:56 GMT
Followup-To: carlip@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
Organization: Ohio University Mathematics

I'm running a Mac LC II with a large screen PageView montor from
Sigma Designs (using their own LC card).  I installed Apollo 0.8b3 (which I
believe is the newest version) and it fails to work, exhibiting the
following symptoms:  when the Apollo icon is pointed at and the mouse
depressed, the menu flashes for a split second, then vanishes 
as well as all icons on the screen.

Is this a known problem?
Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks,

--Walter




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: More Alpha crashes...
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Aug25.153035.4742@mail.cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:17:31 GMT

Ray> == Ray Zimmerman <Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu>> 

 Ray> ...  oh, and I also don't need a text editor that takes up 1MB of
 Ray> RAM isn't that a little excessive !?

Not when you compare it to the one I use at work... :-)

USER       PID %CPU %MEM   SZ  RSS TT STAT START  TIME COMMAND
ckd      27219  0.0 15.412356 3444 p2 S    Aug 22 47:57 epoch
--
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            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: ewright is full of Bull.....
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Sep2.143544.3347@otago.ac.nz>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:50:13 GMT

I am a bit curious about this "rule" regarding the posting of received email to
the net without the sender's permission. My feeling is that a letter, be it
paper or electronic, becomes my property the moment it arrives in my mailbox.
As such I can do whatever I want this it, whenever I want.

Is there some logic or reason behind this guideline?

followups should probably go to some other group but I haven't a clue as to where.
smittie
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