HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:36:51 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
   >>>There is _no_ cabal.  
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
  >>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.
brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
 >There is _no_ curtain.

If there's no curtain, where will we hide the pods?

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Sep14.235142.26201@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>(me)
>>AFFECTED BEHAVIOR IS NOT AN INHERENT PART OF THE PERSON'S NATURE.  
>>"Affected" means intentional, deliberate, with the intent of impressing
>>or showing off.  It's role-playing, pure and simple.
>
>/(pentangl)
>/Here you are making a judgement. You are saying that it is outside the 
>/realm of possibility that a given set of human behaviour is natural.
>/If you wish to continue this assertion, provide some evidence or references.
>/This is the crux of your argument, and if it doen't stand, then the rest of
>/your argument also falls. 
>
>/Unless you can prove that nelly behaviour on the part of males is unnatural,
>/you really aren't getting anywhere.
>
>
>Behavior that has to be practiced is not natural.  Any behavior that is 
>natural comes without practice or forethought; it just happens.
>
>Proof, pure and simple.

Why are you sticking to a 19th century belief that ``the natural''
must be good?  Humans are natural.  Our civilisation is not natural.
Lions are natural.  A male lion, who gains supremecy over a pride,
first kills all the kittens in the pride.  Infanticide is not
natural.

Forget the ``natural'' arguement.  In the time of Thomas Aquinas
it made sense.  He made it.  He wrote well.  We honour him for
the  things he wrote.  But we are ``unnatural'' beings by the
virtrue of creating ``stock market crashes''.

We have to learn, not to be ``natural'' but to be civilised.

Babies have to be toilet trained.  Otherwise they would defecate
all over the place, and not in the nice toilets that civilization
provides.  The big question is, not to be ``natural'' but to
be ``civilised''.

``Natural behaviour'' makes one do what a new puppy does on your
rug.  ``Civilised behaviour'' makes the you and the puppy learn
differently.  

We do not need to know what it takes to be barbarians -- we have
that inbred.  We just need to know what it takes to be civilised...
and that is a harder question.




-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:48:20 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

[re: the fact that he sneezes at bright lights]

>some people will sneeze if they *think* about bright lights.
>not me, fortunately.

>arnold (seeing no motss-relevance here at all, but
>         always willing to chat)

I'll give you some.  When I am on the edge of a sneeze, I can *always*
bring the sneeze on by thinking of something... ahh... well, I don't... ahh...
like to say what it is, but... AHH... it's motss-relevant and... *AHH*...
*EXTREMELY* *EVIL*.....  AHHHH-CHOOOOOOO!!!

--Brent
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:27:45 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep9.084820.16234@reed.edu>,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelsaine Minar) writes:
> Maybe this is urban legend material, but isn't there a medicinal drug
> that people take that makes people have orgasms when they yawn?
> 
> (my first memory is "Rogaine", which if I am to believe my first two
> Psych lectures means that "Rogaine" is probably correct. I'm pretty
> sure I can rule it out, though :-)

That's "Rogaine (tm)", thank you very much,
or you'll be hearing from my solicitors.

And you've got the side-effect wrong:
if you yawn wide enough,
you can give *me* an orgasm.

> Nelson, late at night and not wanting to sleep just yet.

Here, just put this comforter in your mouth.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Time to dance the dance, Bob
Date: 04 Sep 92 18:35:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: world.


/(markm)
/Be sincere, I guarantee you that I am.



Heh. 


Right.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: advice sought: handling on-street harassment
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<1992Sep3.233105.18243@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.233105.18243@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

   I'm curious how the street preachers would react to people handing out
   pythagorean tracts :-)

I had one friend who always responded to tract pushers with a benign,
"Baal be with you, brother (or sister)!"  With the appropriate open
handed salute.

One turned bright read and started gibbering.  Sounded like Cheeta in
an old Tarzan movie.  Made my day.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Carnegie-Mellon considering X-ing ROTC
Date: 14 Sep 1992 12:28:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

This was forwarded by a friend at Carnegie-Mellon.  On the off-hand chance that
it hasn't been seen here yet...

The Human Relations Commission of Carnegie Mellon University has
said that if the military doesn't alter their policy towards gays and
lesbians by Fall 1994, they will seriously consider kicking ROTC off campus.
It seems there was a big stink last year when a gay ROTC student was kicked
out of the program shortly after CMU had adopted a pretty strong
anti-discrimination statement.

(I once again am unable to read soc.motss.  To contact me, send e-mail.)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: a small flame on rec.gardens
Summary: giving a little rage
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:00:05 GMT

 Newsgroups: rec.gardens
 From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
 Subject: Re: Naturalism---could we have a group?
 Message-ID: <1992Sep7.145233.20296@cis.ohio-state.edu>
 Followup-To: rec.gardens
 Summary: how not to ask a simple question
 Organization: out in linguistics, etc.
 References: <VSUMMERS.92Sep7092233@polaris.cv.nrao.edu>
 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:52:33 GMT

in article <VSUMMERS.92Sep7092233@polaris.cv.nrao.edu>
vsummers@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (vince summers) writes:

 >     This is probably not the place to ask the subject question, but then
 >I don't know proper procedure.
 >     Have you notice[d] that a large portion of GNUS is devoted to stupid
 >subjects like bestiality, homosexuals, hamsters and duct tape, sex pictures,
 >etc.?     
 >     Not one to wildflowers, birds, trees, naturalism (I think).
 >... Couldn't someone, perhaps from rec.gardens(?)
 >who is familiar with the computer system, has the interest if not the
 >knowledge, and who has the time, pursue this for us?  

surely it would be possible to ask this simple question - is there any
interest in a nature study / natural history newsgroup? - without
gratuitous insults (there are a thousand or so newsgroups, each with
its own reason for being; no one is forcing this fool to read any of
them, nor is anyone interested in his opinion about whether they are
worthwhile or not), malicious fabrications (there is no group devoted
to hamsters and duct tape, nor has any actual human being ever messed
around with hamsters in the fashion this idiot seems to be alluding
to), and outright falsehoods (a very tiny number of the newsgroups are
devoted to sex-related topics, and a very tiny number - three, by my
count - of *them* are concerned in any way with homosexuality).

in fact, it seems to me that this way of presenting the question
virtually guarantees that no one will pursue the question.  who
would want to associate themselves with such a mean-spirited buffoon?

as a very amateur but enthusiastic wildflower person, i think this
would be a shame.

perhaps the proposal could be allowed to die away for the moment, and
later be reintroduced by someone with some intelligence and some
humanity.

arnold 




Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larsm@ifi.uio.no (Lars Markhus)
Subject: Update on the Norwegian partnershiplaw.
Keywords: Norway, law, partnership
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:17:47 GMT
Originator: larsm@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no



Update on the Norwegian partnershiplaw for gays and lesbians.

The proposal for the Norwegian partnershiplaw has been out on a
hearing these last few months and interested parties have had the
opportunity to formulate comments on the proposed text.  The closing
date for this hearing is today Tuesday 15th of september 1992, after
which the Department of Family affairs (my translation of
"Familiedepartementet (no)") will evaluate the received comments and
amend the text to it's final version before being handed over to the
parliament. (Storting (no)).  The proposed law may come up
before the parliament this comming spring.

As of now it is still uncertain whether the parliament will accept the
proposed law.  Previous polls among its representatives have shown
a more or less even number of pro and con, but a large number of
representatives await the final version of the law and its debate in
parliament before they decide.

The proposed law will grant gay and lesbian couples the opportunity to
register as partners and be included under the same legal framework as
married heterosexual couples, with the exception of the right to adopt.  
The law does not include the right to a (State-) church marriage and 
the churches official stand is against marriages for gays and
lesbians.  However several gay and lesbian couples have already
received blessings of their (unregistered) partnerships, by priests 
who disagree with the churches official policy.


I'll keep you posted on events in Norway.


LarsM
-- 
Lars Markhus -- larsm@ifi.uio.no (Student)
Institute of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38603 alt.politics.homosexuality:5854
From: kenj@kambo.wpd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Quayle courts GLBO* vote
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:47:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this on any of the lists.
Perhaps we've just got into the habit of ignoring anything that Dan
Quayle says.

I'm swiping from a couple of sources here.  I guess that qualifies as
"research." :-)

================================

Vice President Dan Quayle, fielding questions from viewers on a live
television broadcast Tuesday, denied that he and President Bush are
out of touch with voters and said reports of the party's loss of
moderates is misunderstood.  Quayle attempted to distance himself and
the president from the Republican Party platform and from the views
of conservative commentator Patrick Buchanan and television
evangelist Pat Robertson.

In a series of interviews and appearances, Quayle tried to show a
more tolerant side on gays and abortion and once again argued that
"family values" is not a divisive slogan but a broad rubric that
encompasses everything from education to economic deregulation.

``I listened carefully to the Republican convention, and the one
group that was continually attacked was gays and lesbians,'' said a
West Hollywood man. ``With evidence of such hatred, to what degree do
gays and lesbians warrant special protection of their rights?''

``I don't think you heard any of that rhetoric coming from me or from
the president,'' Quayle answered, referring to speaches by former
candidate Pat Buchanan and the Rev. Pat Robertson.

``Listen to what the president says, and what I say, and more
importantly, watch what we do,'' he went on.  ``We are the ones that
have implemented a non-discrimination policy when it comes to gays and
lesbians.  That is our administration's record.''

Quayle says gays should vote for Bush if they agree with him on most
issues, whatever their disagreement with some platform planks.  ``We
have a conservative voice,'' Quayle added. ``(But) I just don't buy
this idea that we are excluding people. We are the ones who are
including them. If you go down all 150 issues (on the platform) even
I have some disagreements.''

==================================

``We are the ones that have implemented a non-discrimination policy
when it comes to gays and lesbians.'' ?!?!?  When?  Where?

I can't quite decided whether to laugh or upchuck.  Dan Quayle
courting the GLBO* vote...

- Ken
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:06:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.024836.27655@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>) elliott@leda.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott) writes:
>) > Gene Ward Smith writes:
>) > > Personally, I'm wondering about the possibilities of Neaderthal-Cro
>) > > Magnon gay romance.  One can hope somebody somewhere tried it.

>) I can't tell you all how WONDERFUL it feels to realize that I'm not
>) alone!  Ehugs!

>I feel faint: I think I'll go lie down now.  The only thing
>more shocking would be to see e-hugs from Henry Mensch or
>George Madison or Jake Coughlin.  Or Clay Bond.

Maybe we could get these guys together for an e-orgy.  Invite a few 
Neanderthals for company.

This brow-ridge queen phenomenon is interesting.  It's not the brow-ridges
I was intrigued by in the descriptions of the Neanderthals, but the physique,
which was very robust and heavily muscled.

Now that I'm here, maybe I should go visit Homo Heidelbergensis.  What
was *he* (if he was a he) like, I wonder?

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:55:56 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) notes:
>
>Rogaine is topical minoxidil, the high blood pressure medication
>which sometimes causes hair regrowth when applied to the skin.
>It doesn't any any effect on orgasms or sneezes.
>
Yes, but have you tried it with sweet (no dill) pickles?
Truly incredible.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Originator: jns@rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:19:08 GMT

 
Robert Marshall (rob@cs.man.ac.uk) questions,
probably rightly so, my authority on wind machines:

> jns> 	C. Debussy: La Mer
> 
> surely not? or is my hearing going? 

Oh, my, it's possible that it's *my* hearing.
I seemed to remember that I heard this recently
and though "aha, that makes six."  Of course,
it quite likely could have been six something
else.  But then, thanks to this:

> Another piece is
> O Messaien: Des Canyons aux Etoiles

the count can remain the same!

> but I don't think this uses accordions.

Neither accordion nor *bandonion* were
required.  Although it seems unlikely
that Messian *didn't* write a set of
bird songs for bandoneon [transcribed
for accordion].

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:53:47 GMT

I find it continually amazing that some morons around here would rather
keep throwing stones when they have nothing more interesting to say.

But then, I haven't seen anything substantial on here in some time.  This
newsgroup seems haunted primarily by people who have little more to do than
whine when they don't get first dibs on ripping someone apart.

Bob at least offered commentary.  I'd love to see the same done by those of
you who prefer to flame instead of communicate.

--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ "Well, you're a couple of fine kidnappers.  You know that the fellas   \/
     you kidnapped got here before you did?" --Groucho Marx, _Horsefeathers_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.235142.26201@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>(me)
>>AFFECTED BEHAVIOR IS NOT AN INHERENT PART OF THE PERSON'S NATURE.  
>>"Affected" means intentional, deliberate, with the intent of impressing
>>or showing off.  It's role-playing, pure and simple.
>
>/(pentangl)
>/Here you are making a judgement. You are saying that it is outside the 
>/realm of possibility that a given set of human behaviour is natural.
>/If you wish to continue this assertion, provide some evidence or references.
>/This is the crux of your argument, and if it doen't stand, then the rest of
>/your argument also falls. 
>
>/Unless you can prove that nelly behaviour on the part of males is unnatural,
>/you really aren't getting anywhere.
>
>
>Behavior that has to be practiced is not natural.  Any behavior that is 
>natural comes without practice or forethought; it just happens.

If you examine this closer~r, you will see that your definition is lacking. 
The only behaviour that comes naturally is eating, sex and defication. All
of which can be done without being taught (or practised). Anything else,
Including speech, wearing clothing, haircuts, etc is learned and practised.

I am not saying that I don't see past what you your words to what I -think-
you are trying to say, but the way you are expressing it is leaving a LOT
of secondary conclusions open. In my opinion, I think you really mean to 
draw the line at deliberate behaviour as opposed to natural behaviour.

There are people who act nelly naturally. I am also sure that there are
people who see this as some sort of ideal to emulate and work to be like 
that. But both kinds of people exist simultaneously, and there is no
litmus test to determine if someone is a Real Queen or not. You aim your
message in that general direction and hit lots of people you don't mean
to.

>Proof, pure and simple.

Proof, when presented, is quite pure and simple. What you have is a
hypothesis, which you are not defending very well.

Scott

P.S.: WHY does your news program fail to include proper headers? It
is really irritating. You should say something to your news admin.

-- 
Scott Moir / Pentangle / Satyr ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
pentangl@Ursa-Major.spdcc.com  \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+) s+ m r p+     \/\/  # "What's that?"
These are my opinions, not SPDCC's    # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbs
From: edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Question of sins Revisited
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I think that I have led ya'll astray.  I was focusing on the sentence that Roy
had made where he stated there is no right or wrong PERIOD.  I was NOT looking
at the next paragraph that stated that sex in any venture is OK with two
consenting (there is that word again) adults.

He stated that there is no right or wrong PERIOD.  This is not the case.  There
are social rights and wrongs that are defined by our own instincts (these
rights and wrongs are instilled in us for our own survival as individuals and
as a society).

If this is not what Roy meant, then he should restate his response.

This is what I meant.  Enuff said?  OK.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: NYC MOTSS DINNER, 9/5 7PM SUNG HAI
Date: 04 Sep 92 20:06:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Sep4.000106.14647@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
) >Certainly not.  I have already remonstrated with Ry, and I think
) >I shall have to punish him.  Ry, can you spell "role reversal"?

) Make me.  :-)

I see that I shall have to be the topping in a Ry sandwich.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Alabama (was: Words (was : god save us nelly queens!))
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:53:13 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>This really has nothing to do with anything -- well, now that
>I think about it, it sort of does -- but I received a call today
>from my ex-boyfriend (no nell he; he's straight-acting through
>and through in a Woody Allen-ish kind of way) 

Wellll... (no, I'm really just *TOO* tired of Woody jokes)

>who just moved to 
>*Alabama* this week.  He called to give me his address and phone 

My regrets.  (What Rural Route Number does he have?)

>number, and to kvetch about how *horrible* it is there (he was 
>horrified to witness people saying grace over their catfish 
>"fingers" at a diner in nearby Opelika)[...]

With hushpuppies I bet! (not the shoes *Helen*, it's fried corn meal and
onions.)  Another delicacy is chicken lips (I believe there's a very
interesting sauce for them).

jeff -- who has endured grace at Catfish Cabin(tm) (no kidding) in various
        Alabama towns for all his 32 years.
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