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From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: Good woman of Thailand
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:28:32 GMT

popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart) writes in a different thread:

> I agree you should try Koh Samui. Phuket is becoming a awful
> place to visit.  I never suggest anyone to visit. Of course, it
> used to be the most beautiful place in Thailand. But becuase of
> capitalism which lead to destroy the nature of Phuket. However,
> if the local business men have knowledge or at less think about
> the future of themselves. They should not think only making
> money as much as possible. Phuket will not be facing the
> problems.

Sawasdee Khun Sawanit,

I hope you don't mind I am transplanting this piece from another
thread into this, but I wanted to keep them separate, instead of
following up into the other one.
To your post:  I do not agree it is the capitalism and the effort 
by the businessmen to make as much money as possible that is 
destructive.  You yourself have mentioned previously that certain 
ills would not be as present if the economy was better and people
were more affluent.  Unless you purport to be able to change the 
nature of people and believe that overnight all present and future
prostitutes will say, 'to hell with the money, I better be nice,
happy and work in the rice field for next to nothing', than you
better pray that many Thais have the businessman's drive to
improve the economy and allow for the increase in the standard
of living for the average Thai.

t.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Thai military attache in Pakistan charged with smuggling
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:47:45 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


Read details in...


From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.law.crime,
            clari.news.gov.corrupt
Subject:    Thai military attache in Pakistan charged with smuggling
Date:       20 Jan 93 18:23:40 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Sweed need help!!!
From: ndb070@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:28:31 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Hello! I'm a Sweed wich is going to travel around in Asia this
summer and Autumn. But I don't know so much about what I should see
and visit in your country. Could you help me? What food is the best,
What restaurant is your favourite one and so on. What places must I visit?
Anythin is interesting for me!

                                    Thanks, Jan-Olof Andersson
                                    NDB070@vax1.mankato.msus.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:40:08 GMT

Now that we are on a very Korean culture topic: education...

I did not go through the college entrance hell in Korea.  But I was often
told they study sleeping 4 hours a day.

I find it hard to believe.  If it is a manual job they were doing, I will
buy it.  But study?  My brain will not function with such sleep
deprivation.

Is it true that you slept 4 hours a day everyday?

With all respect, I have another question.  What you study anyway?  If such
intense studying has resulted in massive knowledge, it seems to be well
concealed.  I am yet to be blown out by overwhelming knowledge of a Korea
person who went throught this 4-hours-a-day-sleep march to more knowledge.

This is something I was curious about for some time.

James Choi
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:23:20 GMT
Organization: What Org?
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu

In article <1993Jan22.004008.1610@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>I find it hard to believe.  If it is a manual job they were doing, I will
>buy it.  But study?  My brain will not function with such sleep
>deprivation.

	I guess some does; I saw one female who did it and who
	topped among the women and the second in all on the
	exam for the College.  However it was just for a year
	while she was High school senior.

>Is it true that you slept 4 hours a day everyday?

	This one I still do; I can do it anythime anywhere as long as
	they supply the games.

>With all respect, I have another question.  What you study anyway?  If such
>intense studying has resulted in massive knowledge, it seems to be well
>concealed.  I am yet to be blown out by overwhelming knowledge of a Korea
>person who went throught this 4-hours-a-day-sleep march to more knowledge.

	When you have zillions of things to memorize just for the day,
	you have to choice; although that has nothing to do with
	overwhelming knowledge; for example, I didn't know anything
	about sexual education and I had to live with what I've learned
	upto Middle School on Art and Music.

	However, I was overwhelmed by some girl who got the GRE english
	score well over 600 very close to 700 from Korea; and I was
	also overwhelmed by a guy who got TOFEL score around 650
	(yes, it's not that hard to get over 600 but extremely hard
	to reach 650).  About the subject test, forget about it; everyone
	used to get 99% on it from Korea due to what they call 'Jok-bo';
	and I don't think I have to talk about Math.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:33:12 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

In article <1993Jan22.004008.1610@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Now that we are on a very Korean culture topic: education...
>
>I did not go through the college entrance hell in Korea.  But I was often
>told they study sleeping 4 hours a day.
>
>I find it hard to believe.  If it is a manual job they were doing, I will
>buy it.  But study?  My brain will not function with such sleep
>deprivation.
>

They sleep 4 hours at night at home. They spent other 20 hours outside home
mainly at classroom, whether it be school, or HakWon, again sleeping :).
I had a lot of friends who registered for 4:00AM classes at HakWons just to
get up early and spent all classes with their eyes shut. :)

>Is it true that you slept 4 hours a day everyday?
>

No, it is not true for me. The first time I ever slept less than 4 hours
(studying or something like that ; i.e. ruling out the staying up al-nite
playing) was in my college years.  As every those top entrants of colleges
say in their interviews, I slept solid 6 hours everyday. (not that I am one
of those top entrants. :) ). And some of my friends , I know, slpet 8 hours
...    
>With all respect, I have another question.  What you study anyway?  If such
>intense studying has resulted in massive knowledge, it seems to be well
>concealed.  I am yet to be blown out by overwhelming knowledge of a Korea
>person who went throught this 4-hours-a-day-sleep march to more knowledge.
>

What I did mainly is refining my calculus skills (which I find extremely
helful in many cases) and reading lots of English (which again is very
useful now) and other stuffs.. And many people regard me as pretty knowledge-
able in everything and are amazed when I tell them I learned those stuffs
in high school textboos.

>This is something I was curious about for some time.
>
>James Choi


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu : Economics, Johns Hopkins U.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: What is a good student? (Re: education system)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:29:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.162841.924@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>If you meant that American students were more heterogenious by saying
>'odd-balls', your 'odd-ball' hypothesis seems to be correct according to
>the same article.

It  will be even more striking if you take out-of-school activities into
the standard deviation somehow.  It will range from concert pianist to drug
dealers in the U.S.

>Giltsu Choi.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: rwb@spl1.spl.loral.com (Robert W Bridges)
Subject: Old Rabbit Song
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:47:47 GMT

When I was in Korea many years ago a little boy taught me a song the was said
to be the Old Rabbit Song ( excuse the spelling:  San Toky toky ya).  Could someone mail me a copy of the song to the best of your ability so I can sound
out the song in Korean and then the English translation to the song.  I'm trying
to teach the song to my kids and they asked for the translation.  I can only remember part of the song and I want them to say the works correctly as they sing it.  They are very excited about what they have learned already.  Thanks in advance.

Bob
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:36:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.030616.20632@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>>When can Korean high school students get off from 
>>                Pass-college-enterance-exam-or-die War ?
>
>Why should we (Korean) remove that exam? Do you think it gives too much stress
>to the students? 
>According to the same article, however, Americanmerican students get the higest
>stress from the school contrary to our belief.

Very misleading statement.  Where did these stress in American student
originate, does it originate from pressure to do well in the college 
entrance exam, like these in Korea?  Did stress in American students 
derive from pressure to excel in school work?  The whole mentality 
behind education in Korea is skewed, I believe. Such practice as 
selling the family assets (land/valuable/etc..) to study/pass the exam, 
undoubtedly places a heavy burden upon the students.

Let me ask?  Even if the test is fair, does the best student always
get into the best school?  I am sure you know about the application
procedure to university/college.  Maybe American way of looking at
the high school grades, extracurricular activities, as well as
national tests, are much better way, and I might emphathically add
less stressful way to higher education.

Andrew

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Why cannot login to KIDS and ARA ?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:50:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.192810.166@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> yongseok@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park) writes:
> Hi, I am wondering why I cannot login KIDS or ARA these days ?
> It will be appreciated if anyone lets me know the reason and cure for that.
> Thanks.

ARA's been dean for long, more than a month.
I don't know when or wether it comes back.
KIDS is dead just today, I don't know the reason but you're not doing
anything wrong.  The BBS is just dead though the host computer is alive.

Cheers !

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Yongsup Park               \    park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov    /    Intentiolnally
Physics & Astronomy Dept.   \   park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  /   left as a
Northwestern University      \  B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     /   blank space.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Corporal punishments & wife beating...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:03:45 GMT

In article <Jan.22.17.33.01.1993.1300@gandalf.rutgers.edu> 
        junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>Ms. Lee was implying that punishment should not be made by the
>
>First, I should ask where you get the impression that I am female?  I
>[...]   How can a person fully understand
>another with that kind of prejudice? 

You have my sinceriest apology for being a male :)
Since this matter is becoming personal... I think
I shall withdraw from this exchange: this should be my last 
post on this thread.  BTW, since you seems to have mastered
higher state of consciousness by 'fully understand'-ing 
fellow human beings, I must admit that I am beneath you.

However, I am still in listening mode, as long as you or anyone
can provide a constructive and fact filled postings.  AND in
light my observation that no constructive facts have been 
materialized in the  past few posts (except that your are a male),
I think this is good  place to end this conversation; no need to 
reply for I shall not respond; of course if you can reveal to us 
mortals how we can achieve nirvana or something equivalent to such, 
then I shall be glad to join in the conversation with piety.

>Second, what I meant by "the society which males dominate" is [...]

Sorry for not reading your mind, this must be due to my prejudice.
You have my sinceriest of apologies for not reading your
mind, and instead resorting to your written words
to infer your intentions and positions.

>Jung

Peace, Joy and Hope...

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim        " 'All truth is simple',  is it not doubly a lie?"
andrew@eecs.nwu.edu         " The refinement of morality increase  with  the
andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu    refinement of fear "       Friedrich Nietzsche

Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:23:29 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
	<hpark.727451975@husc.harvard.edu>

Mr. Hayn Park writes:

.

> 
>{Feel guilt...}


I have no reason to feel guilt. I have done nothing to feel guilty of.
It is impossible to feel guilt for another.

>Is this your personal experience, or is the Japanese populace in general
>beginning to express sorrow for their country's wartime crimes?  I am asking

Yes, I feel a deep sorrow for the pain, suffering and death that my
country caused to Korea and other Asian nations.

>because
>I recently completed a study on the effects of Japanese colonialism in
>Korea; a poll taken in Japan (I am unsure of the date; here is my problem)
>showed that the USSR took the lead in the Top Most Disliked Countries
>List, while South Korea brought up a solid second.
> 
>Most historians and sociologists will agree that Koreans have always felt
>two intertangled emotions towards Japan: a deep-rooted resentment and
>anger for obvious reasons, and a good deal of respect for Japan's
>achievement in the international arena.  How would you say do the Japanese
>see Korea?

I think that even though Korean give credit to Nippon for international
accomplishment Korean must never forget that there is alot of unfinished
business with the Japanese! Well, from my perspective as a young man, I
think that the Japanese feel that one day Korea will pass them in the
economical area.
I will not interject negativity here. I just want you to know that there
is. Plus, I will be answerring for other poeple. Personally, I see South
Koreans as very intelligent people. But, when you see on capitalist
country you are generally fimiliar with the structure although there are
many uniquenesses.(This is no inference that I am communist. I believe
that both are the same in terminal theory) I view North Korea mostly.
But, I don't want to get people angry.

I think all korean(the ones I've seen) are very intelligent and attractive.  



 
>Hayn Park
>hpark@husc.harvard.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts without Serifs
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:50:54 GMT

In article <1k3vmdINN4gr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> jung@yuling.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Carl Im) writes:
>Hello, everyone, I am looking for a particular Korean Font on
>any computer whose characters look like they written with a brush
>(BUT WITH NO SERIFS).  Even if no such font is available, I would
>like any information on this font or caligraphic style.  The kind of 
>information I need are: 1. Is there a name for such a font?
>2. Is there a book of examples of this font? (I happen to know that
>there is such a book for Chinese for several different styles of
>caligraphy)
>
>Carl Im

I'm not sure if this is what you want but in AreA HanGul ver 1.51(which I
have), you can get PilGi font.  This is cursive(sp?) font but not
caligraphic font.  In AreA HanGul ver 2.0, I saw caligraphic character 
which is commonly called "Goong Che" but I don't remember the name of the
font. The font looked just like drawn with brush when it's magnified to
about 100 point.  I'm not sure how it looks when it's shrunk to 10-15
point.  Anybody who's using ver 2.0 can tell the details ?

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Yongsup Park               \    park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov    /    Intentiolnally
Physics & Astronomy Dept.   \   park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  /   left as a
Northwestern University      \  B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     /   blank space.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: What is a good student? (Re: education system)
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:28:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.010627.7683@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>Thank you for this inspiring example.  What I mean by "average" is the
>lack of "odd-balls."  

If you meant that American students were more heterogenious by saying
'odd-balls', your 'odd-ball' hypothesis seems to be correct according to
the same article.
The satandard deviation (SD) of Asian students was around 8 and that of
American was around 7, but since the average of American students' score was 
half of Asian students' so if you divide SD by average, then
we get 0.35 for Asian and 0.52 for American. It means American students are
more heterogenious than Asian students.

Giltsu Choi.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Software copyrights
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:31:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: emx.cc.utexas.edu

I wish my name in this group does not mean any flame war again.
It seems to me that there is a general concensus on software copyright 
in this group. I guess it is partially because there are many c.s majors
and obviously many computer-menias.    

I'd like to ask your opinion regarding this.
(1)  Considering Korean economy status, is it really beneficial 
    to have severe protection on the knowledge properties? 
    So far, R&D means in Korea imitating (or copying) R&D.
(2)  If yes, why did Korean government resist agaist it when USA demanded it?
(3) How can we change our mind set regarding knowledge properties?
   Traditional value system does not give much credit to any individual.
   When I finsihed some books at my traditional old chinese-teaching school
   (Seo-Dang), my grand mother prepared some cakes and wine for my teacher and
    class mates. That's all what my family paid for my learning.
   My late teacher (or principal of that school because he was only one teacher) believed that the truth belonged to the heaven not to any individual.
   Therefore, according to him (them), we can not get any materialistic
    benefits from what belongs to the heaven.  He was just happy because
    he had still smart pupils while whole nation already abandoned that old
    studies.

Myself is studying information. However, especially because of the first reason, I could not blame anyone who tried to copy from foreign countries.
When I purchased IBM mainframe for my company, I also aksed many application
software too. But I refused to pay for most of them. So-called monthly lease.
My explanation went like this for IBM marketing representatives.
  "The benefit from computer investment can be measured easily by savings of
    labor inputs. If a PC can save one person, it generated $10,000 a year in
     Korea provided a college-graduated earns that amount while it gave
     40K dollars in USA. With the same amount of efforts or value added from
    computer, in USA computer or information system investment can be easily
   justified while we are not. How can IBM Korea expect 4 times more 
    productivies from Korean information workers (MIS department)?
    Therefore, in order to help Korean economy and your customers who work 
    so long and so hard to justify their investment, you should let me copy
    as many software applications as possible." 
   
As long as they present the justification of investment which has been 
developed in USA, I insisted the above logic.  Many patriotic(?)
marekting representatives had to accept my reasoning. What do you think of it?
Thanks for any opinion in advance.    
-- 
Byungtae Lee (btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu)  
Tel. 512)471-1679(O), 478-3779(H)  Fax. 512) 471-0587
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From: hseung@oz.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Poppy My Love
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:08:12 -0600
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Poppy-seed bagel, I love thee.
  (You look so good!)
Stuff some SeWooJeot, I lust thee.
  (You smell so gooood!)
Dip it in GanJang, I dote thee.
  (You taste so goooooooood!)
Oh Poppy, won't you come back to me?
  (You come out of that oven RIGHT NOW!)

--
Rebecca H. Seung              SeWooJeot... salted shrimp
                              GanJang..... soybean sauce
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Can you really study with 4 hours of sleep?
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:16:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh



Some people can do it.

Stamina+intelligence+talent+ability+opportunity+luck  = success


Some people cannot.

success - stamina = possible success.


Some people are just totaly screwed

no stamina+no intelligence+no talent+no ability+no opportunity+no luck = ?
From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Software copyrights
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:59:20 GMT
Organization: The Loyal Taxpayers

In article <1993Jan27.172220.6355@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>
>There also is a question that how much copying should be considered copying.
>You cannot consider every song that contains "C chord" copying, right?  It
>is relatively well-defined in literatures, music, etc, but there are some
>gray areas in software copyright, even in US.  That's why we are seeing
>more of these "Look-and-Feel" lawsuits by Lotus, Microsoft, Apple etc.

	Here's an update:  You can't copyright one's look and feel.  The
judge threw out Apple's suit against Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard.  The
grey areas are vanishing.  Every song that contains the c-chord is not
copying, but every song that contains seven same notes as that David Bowie-
Queen song is in violation of the copyright law.  
>


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung               | Happiness is...
jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu      | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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CESR10::THC                     | Ithaca, NY 14850