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From: gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Arnold Gum)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News from Auburn, Alabama
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:41:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.7660087
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA



Ron,

Thanks for the post.  We've got our hands full in Colorado with Colorado for
Family Values raising all kinds of Hatred and misinformation.  I understand
the Oregonians have a similar problem.  The amendment that proposes to be
self-ennacting and perpetual (non-removable) to the state constitution is
up for vote and only needs a majority to pass (ie., 51% will do).  I'm not
convinced that we have > 50% support in this state and worry that the crazies
may win.

I'm tired of all the blind hatred and bigotry out there and wish there were
a decent way to help these people grow up and learn how to love other people
or at least accept other people...and perhaps, themselves as well.  This whole
thing is a depressing mess that, I think, Hitler would be proud of.

"In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because
I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't
speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Catholics, 
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.  Then they came for me - and
by that time no one was left to speak up."

 - Pastor Martin Niemoller

Yes, gang, hate knows few boundaries, not without, nor within.  Just remember
to speak up next time you hear a group being picked on.  Just do it.  If you
want to help in Colorado, let me know.

Cheerfully preaching,

- Arnold
From: dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Murdering Adonis
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne)
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering

In article <1992Apr11.110250.21373@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara
Chibnik) writes:

|>  >The rest of what you said is quite correct, as I'm 
|>  >discovering.  It struck me that this is the sort of
|>  >book which, if it were a movie, might gain consensus
|>  >as the sort more of which we would like to see:
|> Not to turn to far from your point, but:  Just how would you go
|> about casting Hilary?  I think you'd spoil something quite
|> wonderful.

I must assume that you are referring to one of my favorite things
about all of the books about this lively crew (I've read three now):
Hilary's gender is meticulously not specified, as far as I can tell.
And I can't figure out how old Hilary is, either.  Somehow Hilary
would have to be in the movie only as a voice, or the back of a head
or something.  It would be quite a challenge.

Debby
dfs@bellcore.com
From: ccornish@sunflower.sybase.com (Carleton Cornish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arthur Ashe
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:28:27 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <9204091619.AB01978@client.its.rpi.edu> buckmr@RPI.EDU writes:
>
>Arthur Ashe was the first African-American *male* to win a grand slam tennis
>tournament. I believe there was an African-American woman who won a grand
>slam event. [Forgot her name]

Althea Gibson, Wimbledon champion 1957-58 (I believe...I think she also won
the U.S. Open in one or both of those years, although I'm not old enough to
remember...)

-carleton, a true tennis fan...

>- ---
>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
>uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
>Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
>Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.
>
>------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy

*****************************
Carleton Cornish		ccornish@sybase.com
Sybase, Inc.			(510) 596-3883
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." -me
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
From: joeb@atmos.washington.edu (Joe Barsugli)
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:34:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.093355.18960@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

   I'll give a little more of the story than PBS gave. You should read
   the biography of Turing, "Alan Turing, the Enigma" by Andrew Hodges,
   ISBN 0-671-49207-1. It's well researched and well written.

Hello everyone,

A couple of months ago Alice B. Theater here in Seattle put on a
production of the play "Breaking the Code" based on Alan Turing's
life.  It is a very powerful play, and Alice B. gave it an excellent
performance.  I don't offhand remember the name of the playwright, as
the program is at home.  I recall the program saying that the play was
originally produced in London in the late 1980's, and is, I think,
largely based on the above-mentioned biography.

P.S.: This is my first post to soc.motss, but I have been reading it
for several months now.  Do you suppose it has something to do with
the Blueberry muffin I'm eating for breakfast...

Joe Barsugli
Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: magazine to check out
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:11:37 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

The May issue of _Glamour_ has two articles of motss interest.  One is
by a woman whose father came out (and divorced her mother) when she was
in high school, talking about her experience.  The other is decrying the
lack of positive lesbian portrayals in Hollywood films.  Neither is
earthshattering, but both are quite positive.  Glamour's also pretty
feminist (insofar as a magazine that recommends leg waxing and tells you
how to get along with your boyfriend can be considered feminist) and
pro-choice -- another item in this issue is an essay by the woman who
will be arguing the pro-choice side in the upcoming Pennsylvania case
before the supreme court.

-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Peoria (Was: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:54:34 GMT

In <1992Apr14.134939.27661@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.071133.12053@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
>|> (It's my home town, I figure I'm entitled to bash it. :-)

     And is currently my hometown.
>Finally... I can identify something that "played in Peoria"...
   Jess, an expatriot, and LD, the resident faggot, thank you.
-- 
"Closets are for clothes" 
"Those who don't know are terminally stupid or virginally new"
"I should have known it was doomed.  I don't like tea."  -Tea for Two
L. D. Stratton   larry@bradley.edu   (309) 693-8500 when all else fails
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:18:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

gsmith@CONCOUR.CS.CONCORDIA.CA asks:
>Why doesn't someone re-issue this stuff? I would love to read 50's
>gay romance novels. I wonder if it is possible to find these anywhere
>anymore?

A Different Light bookstore on Castro (in San Francisco) has an 8 shelf
section of 'older' books, about a third (I estimate) being pre-stonewall,
some fiction, but not much porn.  Why don't you drop by?
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:38:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36214
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <kukad0INNbd1@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.010433.20995@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>...
>> (Should I bring my crampons?  Gawd, how butch this all sounds.)
>
>Help!  I've decided to rent my ice axe once I'm there, but can I rent
>crampons too?  Or should I forget the t-straps and pack crampons instead?

OK, it's time to set things aright.  Mt. Adams is more or less a long
uphill walk.  That's right, a walk.  You get to walk on some loose
rock at times, but a walk it is.  A slide on your butt on the way
down, but walking on good ol' terra firma on the way up.  Do not be
shy of this if you can help it.  Personally, I thought hoofing it
all over S.F. was more wearing.  Drop me email if you are interested,
but intimidated by the climb.  I'm sure I can talk you into it.  :-)

--mark
---
Mark Morrissey    markm@cse.ogi.edu                             ____
"You were traveling at over 80,000 k.p.h. only 10 meters from   \  /
Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!!"       \/
                   - Admiral Brand to Wesley Crusher
From: pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:59:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr3.181340.17432@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM> michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:

>I HAVE noted that Asimov's fiction tends to share that
>simplistic, cutesy, adoring, het, "put women on a pedestal
>because they are kind enough to love us ugly old men in
>spite of all our faults" flavor that Heinlein's does.

Good description of Asimov, but I found Heinlein's attitude to be
closer to "What do you mean, you don't love me?  You're a woman,
ain'tcha?"

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / pierce@husc.harvard.edu   /         See it and understand.
 \/ (aka twpierce@amherst.edu) /
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Subject: London in July?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:58:36 GMT

It now appears I may have the opportunity to visit London this summer
(Before the .con, I hope). Can Britmottssers tell me about the city in 
July? Where to go, what to do, anyone I could possibley stay with, how
hot it will be, how expensive?

Yippee!
Tsilke

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: concert review
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:25:24 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes on Diamanda Galas:

>but I can't tell whether
>she makes her musical choices for affect (not effect) and then
>post-constructs her bases, or she makes her musical decisions
>and then implements them with limited success.  

I'm not sure what distinctions you're trying to make here. And which
of her musical decisions is she implementing with "limited success"?

I'm also not sure if this is relevant, but she's been working with
similar musical and thematic materials for quite a while now. She's
played piano and sung with free jazz musicians in the '60s through
the early '80s. The longer, extreme vocal pieces started in the early
'80s (including the wonderfully titled Wild Women with Steak Knives),
and the first instalment of the AIDS-related material was Divine 
Punishment ('86?), written after her brother Philip Dimitri Galas'
death.

She's certainly not the most accessible of new music people (tho she 
has a loyal following among people who don't usually listen to this type
of stuff). 

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: captain and chenille
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:07:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.191057.28038@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>| to figure out how to pack an ice axe in a suitcase stuffed to
>| overflowing with chenille.  (Will I have to wear flats on these
>| hikes?)
>As for shoes, hiking boots would be the practical thing, but
>just wouldn't do at all with the chenille dress. Spikes heels,
>on the other hand, might make an interesting statement worn
>in the snow. And might even be useful on the glissade...

hummm, my athletic spikes dont have heels, and the colour doesnt match
my chenille. darn, another trip to the mall...

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         postmaster@thinkage.on.ca  kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca  thinkage!kgdykes
         kgdykes@watmath.waterloo.edu  [129.97.128.1]   kgdykes@thinkage.com
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Education with motss-positive potential
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:07:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Apr9.150702.6501
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr9.145000.5652@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>which markedly reduces the propsect 
                            ^^^^^^^^
This must have something to do with what happens if you walk
into it while it's spinning.

Either that, or it's a new cult that gets off on whirling
wings (jeez, I know people who might belong!).

<> Bless you my children. Go and sin lots more.
<> -- Father Amelia

And where *is* this Sainted Cleric, of late?

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:20474 soc.bi:4608
From: entropy@parker (Lawrence C Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: what a mess (more sendsys reprocutions)
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:17:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr16.031756.23543
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

When I resigned I never got any response to my e-mail message, I had offered
to stay on and finish the program I'm working on to the point where it could
be easily taken over. I didn't get any reply at all, finally I wrote asking
what was going on and found out that I had been terminated yesterday. This
leaves me a bit short of money for the rent, so now I have to count on a
business I've just started (electronic resume listing) turning a profit before
the end of the month... 

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 14 Apr 1992 20:33:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr15.030529.11299@quantime.co.uk> 
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
| In article <s398oINN8bb@agate.berkeley.edu>,
| gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:
| > In article <1992Apr9.082607.14630@reed.edu> 
| > nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
| > >I love the little Chinese black slippers. They're cheap, portable, can
| > >pass as semi-formal wear, and are comfortable...
| > >
| > Thank goodness.  I thought I was the only fag who loved those things.
|
| I wore them ten years ago, because they were *cheap*,
| but I always found they made the ground I walked on too hard.

That was my problem with the huaraches I wore throughout high school.
Actually, I wore huaraches when I wasn't wearing my platform boots.

| I like to keep the soles of my feet soft and ticklish;
| My sole worships Doc Martens, for they are bounciful.

I decide to wear my decades old Frye boots to work today rather
than my usual sneekers, and I can't believe how *hard* the ground
feels.  And I suppose I *still* don't know how to walk in them, given
the comments that were directed my way.  My costume today was
black jeans, sports shirt, and XXXL (it extends down to mid-thigh) 
sweatshirt.  I waltzed into the office and my sassy workstudy looked 
up at me, cocked an eyebrow, and told me to belt the sweatshirt and
forget the pants.  That's what I get for being nice to the help.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.120558.13907@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >No hambo demonstration?  Darn.
>
>Well, give me the music and I'll do the hambo demo.  Oh, 
>yeah-- I'll need a partner; or should I bring my own?
>
>Hmm-- is it possible to hambo motssishly?  Or is it one 
>of those things where one has to be the man and the other
>the woman (or, of course, vice versa).

My first motss experience was the hambo.

Seriously, in April 1978 I had just decided to come out,
and was trying to figure out how to meet people, when I
heard about a friendly gay folk dance group.  Now, the
word "dance" has always been more foreign to me than "gay".
(Even allowing for a much trimmer me back then, Fantasia's
"Dance of the Hours" comes to mind...)  But it was a low-key,
inclusive group of people, who enjoyed showing beginners the
steps.  Before I knew it, I--who'd barely touched a man,
let alone danced with one--was whirled across the floor
by a huge Scandivanian viking doing the hambo, and later
continued the same dance with a gentle but insistent
man who took me to his house for dinner that night.

Even now, so many years later and separated by many miles,
we celebrate the anniversary of our friendship by calling
the other and inviting him to dance a hambo.

P.S.: a hambo has leaders and followers, just like many other
	dances.  Most gay groups use words other than "man"
	and "woman" to refer to the two, if only to avoid
	confusion. :-)
-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Auto-Fellatio (Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:40:42 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, dickson@nevada.edu (JON THUMIM) wrote:
>What self-respecting rabbi would bless the union
>of two men?  When they do, I want to be the first in line.


Congregation Etz Chaim of S. Florida hired a rabbi last year.  She is
performing "marriages" of same sex couples on a regular basis if both
people are Jewish.  If only one is Jewish, she will not do a "wedding"
but will bless the union.  She is a reform rabbi.  Her husband is a rabbi
in one of S. Florida's largest congregations.

In line yet?

                                                                        __
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Hawaii
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 02:13:29 GMT
Organization:  

I'm going to be in Hawaii next week (from the 10th to the 17th).  I'll be
staying at the Hotel Honolulu.  Are any other motssers going to be in the
area?


-- 

------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton         jfh@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Reply-To: mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:33:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.223007.26424@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <ku9e1fINNhop@mizar.usc.edu>
|> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> 
|> >P.S. I hope you don't want to disappear the base of Laurel Canyon --
|> >I'd have to move, and that's such a chore.
|> 
|> Why darlin', what*ever* are you talkin' about?  You just
|> wait for the Santa Anas, pickup up your purse, and spread
|> your gossamer wings -- you'll be in Vegas in a trice!

   Wrong direction, the Santa Ana's blow out to sea. The only thing
that blows toward Las Vegas are the bowling league motor homes...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Followup-To: ca.politics
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:17:57 GMT

Followups to ca.politics.

In article <1992Apr8.235253.16586@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.093355.18960@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>                                                         Try to find
>>President Reagan's statements about AIDS. You'll have a hard time,
>>because our President didn't care: it was only faggots that were
>>dying.
>
>No, our President DID care.

"Is there a problem?"

-- Ronald Reagan, upon being asked about the ramifications of this new
"gay cancer" that was spreading among metropolitan homosexuals.

Yeah, Our President cared a lot.

>If you'd like, I can provide sources and name names.  Something
>you'll be hard pressed to do.

I don't really think so.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison (was Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:46:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92104.144616IO81409
 <joshua.702833510@coombs> <1992Apr10.163535.4533@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maine System

my guesses as to why no one has ever made a pass at Ellison:

1) he's too short;

2) the famed Ellison temper.

is he still alive?
                                      -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: Catholic Killer on the Loose!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:40:19 GMT

In article <92104.114619SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
     Jack Carroll <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>This morning I called the VISN network and talked to a representative.
>The program director will cancel the remaining showings for this
>week unless they can create a spot to air which explains that
>information contained in the program is incorrect and using IUDs and
>pills as safer sex techiques could lead to HIV or STD infections and
>death.

   While I don't get VISN up here in Seattle (or do I... I watch
telvision so rarely nowadays... Internet is so much more entertaining.)
I *do* want to thank Jack for pointing out to us one thing we all keep
forgetting... One phone call can make all the difference in the world.

   So, Thank you, Jack Carroll, for doing what's right, and teaching
the rest of us to stop sitting back and letting other people do the
work for us.

      Elf !!!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 1992 14:11:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.203525.22944@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
| > jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
| >You can't tiptoe in boots - everybody's gonna know you're coming. 
|
| Real Fairies(tm) can tiptoe in *anything* -- even wooden clogs,
| even ski-boots, even full-leg casts... :-)

Not only could this Real Fairy (tm) tiptoe in his full-leg cast, he 
survived the Sylmar earthquake *and* lost his virginity in one.

Arrn