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From: gsm@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: Jewish Movies on Video?
Organization: Mendelson.com
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:58:32 GMT

In article <83150@ut-emx.uucp> etzhadat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hydro Man) writes:

>I'm not sure what's already been, posted, but . . .

>Here is a list of films from 1980- which have a Jewish character as one of the
>major characters.  In parentheses I've included which characters are Jewish.
>All the films are American. Even for that its not quite exhaustive.
>Most (except very recent ones) should be in video stores.

>Cocoon I&II (Bernie and his wife, S. Guenberg?) rare scifi with Jews!
                                    ^ Steve Guttenberg

What about the Mel Brooks film "Jews In Space"?


For those that do not know of it, the end of "History of the World, Part I"
included a trailer for "History of World Part II". 

It included scenes from the segment "Jews In Space". "Jews In Space" 
portrayed Hassidic men dancing inside a "Star of David" shaped space ship.

(I assume that it is a take off of the then current Muppet "Pigs In Space".)
History Of The World, Part II" was never made. :-(

Geoff. 

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 
(215) 242-8712
gsm@mendelson.com     or uunet!gsm001!gsm
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:49:59 GMT

In article <92313.215906CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
<CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>Actually kosher cheeseburgers are no big trick.  I have had plenty --
>either by using parve "soycheese" on a real hamburger (which I have
>not done for some time, having adopted vegetarianism some months ago)
>or by using real cheese on parve burgers (like those made by Kibbutz
>Lochamei Hagetaot, known as Tivoll in Israel and imported to the US
>under the brand name Garden Gourment).

I had my first cheeseburger many years ago when my father, a food
technologist got hold of some of the first pareve cheese.  He was all
excited to try one but I and my brothers, having grown up in a kosher
home, were only interested in trying a bite of his.  It was about as
interesting to us as rattlesnake ("tastes like chicken."  "so why not eat
chicken?").  Good thing he made only one.  It was terrrible.  That early
pareve cheese barely melted and tasted terrible on its own.  I'm not sure
the five of us were able to finish even that one cheese burger.

The remainder of the humk of "cheese" stayed in the fridge till,
migrating towards the back till we cleaned the place for Pesach  several
months later. ("Hey, what's this package?"  "Eeeewwwwww! It's yellowish
white and green."  "Oh yeah.  Remember that pareve cheese....")

My second cheeseburger was far more successful.  This past July 4th I was
at a vegetarian picnic and had pareve burgers and real cheese.  Much
better. (Thanks Lori and Mason!)  Not good enough for me to want to try
the "real thing" but certainly better than so many years ago and, combined
with a fun afternoon, a real novelty.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: thumper@cats.ucsc.edu (Andrea Meredith Kennemer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: intro to Judaism
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:33:44 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Hi!  My name is Andrea.  I have a friend who is interested in finding out 
about Judaism.  She has asked me to recommend any books she could read.
She wants to know things as basic as "What is Passover?".  I could answer
that one.  But because my father is not Jewish, I have not been very involved
in temple classes or activities.  Unfortunately that means I cannot answer
many of her questions confidently.  I would love any suggestions of books
that she, or I, should read.  I don't usually check this newsgroup, so could
you please send any suggestions to my e-mail address.  
(That's thumper@cats.ucsc.edu)  Thanks a lot.
Andrea
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:14:03 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WARNING: Sam Saal coercion
 <emc.721074151@pulaski> <92311.1600102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <goldberg.721325500@techunix.technion.ac.il>
 <LERNER.92Nov9141012@tune.cs.columbia.edu>

In article <LERNER.92Nov9141012@tune.cs.columbia.edu>, lerner@cs.columbia.edu
(Michah Lerner) says:
>
>In article <gold
>->they inform him that if he persists in his activity, he will be reported on.
>e
>-    I am fond of what Sam writes. Therefore I suggest that if anyone else is
>- being pleased as I am by Sam they inform him that if he dares stop his
>- activity, he will be reported on.
>-    I can't speak for Sam, but I personally feel much more frightened by the
>- WorldMaster than by postmasters, by the way.
>
>  Sam?  Sam I Am?  Reporting? I do not like it!  I do not like it, andnd I
>dnot
>like green eggs and ham.  I do not like it sam I am.  Would I like it in a
>cart
>no I would not like it in a cart.  I do not reporting on, Sam I am.
>--
>/M

OK, I think all the points have been made, can we just put aside this
flaming of each other and just have some respect for each other. Their is
a Jewish tradition of debate and disagreement, as long as we all tolerate
and respect each other and put aside the ad hominems  and personal attacks
(I am as guilty of this as anyone) everyting will be fine. Let's stick to
issues and stay away from the personal stuff whether it's accusing Jews of
anti-Semitism of accusing right wingers on the net of hate-mongering.
We can discuss these issues without getting personal, OK?
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:24:01 GMT

In article <92314.212922CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.163429.24770@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu
>>(Eliot
>>Shimoff) writes:
>>>But now to a serious question.  You object to Orthodoxy's claim
>>>that they are the only legitimate inheritors of the halakhic
>>>process.  I can understand your dismay.  But -- I really want
>>>to know -- Do not Conservative rabbis act the same way vis
>>>a vis CCAR (Reform) rabbinic decisions?  For example, the
>>>child of a non-Jewish woman is accepted as Jewish by a Reform
>>>temple; will a Conservative synagogue accept that person as
>>>Jewish?  Does that not compromise the "legitimate interpretation"
>>>argument?

>Eliot raises an interesting point, in his typical thoughtful and
>respectful fashion.

>Conservative rabbis do not and may not, upon risk of expulsion from The
>Rabbinical Assembly, accept as Jewish the child of a non-Jewish woman,
>absent a valid conversion.

It is NOT true that the child of a Jewish man and a non-Jewish woman (or
conversely) is automatically Jewish in Reform.  The child may be considered
presumptively Jewish until there is clear indication by word and deed that
the child considers himself/herself as Jewish.  This requirement is rather
similar to the substantive parts of a Reform conversion.

The process is not all that different from the Orthodox making a conversion
at an early age, and then having it confirmed later.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:43:43 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <2786@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
........
.......
>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/
> |warren@
>/ nysernet.org                             Jerusalem

Warren's moto :

" Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh"  means:

  "It is better to kick out Jews than to oppose Arabs"

Joseph and Adolf like it.
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From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:04:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.203729.13099@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.180847.20454@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>>In article <9211102318.AA05344@host0.COLBY.EDU>, jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm)) writes:
>>|> I've even seen one with BLACK stripes 
>>"Even"???  About 90% of all tallaisim in most shuls I've been to have black
>>stripes.  Are there shuls/minhagim where the prevalent custom is other than 
>>black stripes?  Which ones?  (I'm just curious.)
>  My understanding is that it is Ashkenazi custom to have black stripes
>  as a memorial to the destruction of the temple, while Sepharadim have
>  blue stripes (but I don't know why.)

I also remember being told as a child that the stripes were a memorial for
the tchailes (blue dye) used on the tzitzit.  Now, why black?  Cuz people
might think that you have the real tchailes and they'd be confused.
BTW, the real tchailes would be put on the tzitzit, but since we do not
have it we leave all the tzitzit their natural (bleached white) color.


-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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From: baker@robocop.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Subject: Re: Women's Tefillah
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:29:24 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Boise State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.202012.22035@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>In article <FAIGIN.92Nov10104736@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:24:37 GMT, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) said:
>
>I wrote:
>>> I assume that some Reform Jews will soon enter the fray.  In
>>> case they don't, let me suggest that they are convinced that
>>> _they_ are the legitimate inheritors of rabbinic Judaism!
>
>Welcome back Daniel.  I look forward to your contributions to
>this discussion!
>
>>What is a legitimate inheritor to begin with? Can't all major movements
>>determine a common basis, and all be valid as forms of Judaism? Why must there
>>be only one way to worship and interpret halacha?
>
>Some differences are easy to overlook.  Do you pray with or without a
>gartel ("prayer belt" worn by some hassidim, and sifrei Torah that are
>p'sulim)?  Do you include v'yatzmach pirkuneh in kaddish?  No problem.
>
>Other differences are more serious.  If you don't keep chalav yisrael
>("kosher milk"), I can still eat in your house.  But if you don't
>keep kosher at all, I can't eat at your house (unless you make
>special preparations for me).  Do your prayer rituals include
>practices that violate my interpretation of halakha?; if so,
>I cannot worship with you.
>
>And the most serious difference of all are difficulties in
>defining personal status.  If we differ on who is a Jew, or on
>who is married, our groups necessarily diverge.
>
>Must there be only one way?  Perhaps not.  But if two ways 
>include mutually exclusive practices, was are in deep trouble.
>They do, and we are.  :-(
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
>   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
>Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
>Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.

Again, from the standpoint of this Reform Jew, this is perfectly
comprehensible.  Conclusions need to be drawn from this which will
necessarily be uncomfortable for someone.


-- 
The opinions expressed		|     --Sincerely,
above are not the "official"	|     M. Randall Holmes
opinions of any person		|     Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
or institution.			|     holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Noach question...
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:52:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Nov5.165254.12744
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1dbadnINNl3k@TERMINATOR.AI.CS.YALE.EDU>, engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson) writes:
> 
> In article <4NOV199215174825@utkvx2.utk.edu>, egw@utkvx2.utk.edu (Wolpert, Edward Greenwal) writes:
> |>         Going back to last week's dvar,... I was talking to a friend, and
> |> we were discussing about fish and Noach.  Specifically, did Noach bring two
> |> fish on board (For each kind)?  I'm looking to create a discussion about
> |> this, and profess no 'true' wisdom on this.  
> 
> Well, the issue seems relatively clear from the text.  In Breshit 6:20:
> 
> 	From the birds by their species and from the land animals by their
> 	species, and from the crawling things by their species; two from each
> 	will come to you to be saved.
> 
> So it seems that the fish were note included.  A better question than the
> "storm" aspect of fish survival is the difference between salt-water and
> fresh-water fish---since the whole world was covered in water, it was either
> all salt or all fresh.  This could cause serious problems for some of the fish.
> Any ideas??
> 

The obvious detail here is that "world" is a relativistic
term in this context.  How do the writers know the whole
world was inundated?  They only know about the world
as they defined it, so there was much real world that
was unknown to them.  Likely if some large-scale fresh-water
kill occurred, it would be replenished from the "Unknown world".

Has anyone looked at the theories that the implosion of Thera
(a Greek Minoan Island, now Santorini) was the basis of the
flood story?   Most of the flood legends are from areas that
would be effected by such an implosion, and the timeframes
roughly fit with what most archeologists consider to be
pre-mosaic times.


		Seth Rosenthal
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:52:07 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

Does anyone have historical and current information on the Jewish
Autonomous Oblast, a small region in the eastern part of the xSU and
bordered by China, Amur and Khabarovsk?

thanks!
Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Is Hilary Clinton a MOTT
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:20:31 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

schw_mi@pts.mot.com wrote in <1992Nov4.155046.8447@pts1.pts.mot.com>:

| After seeing Bill and Hilary last night, a question came to mind.  
| 
| Is Hilary Clinton jewish???  I know Kitty Dukakus(sp??) is.

"Hilary"?

Kitty Dickson Dukakis is Jewish.  As for Hillary Rodham, no.  Take it
from a Chicagoan: we don't call her home town "Pork Ridge" for nothing.
She isn't, and her brothers aren't, and her parents weren't.

(Now that Park Ridge has a few new developments at the west end of the city,
there may be a non-zero Jewish population, but I'd be highly surprised to
find any Jews living in its older neighborhoods, such as the one where she
grew up, even today.)

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
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From: baker@robocop.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Subject: Re: ORTHODOX
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:22:15 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: seeking e-mail exchange on death and dieing
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:20:46 GMT


I would like to exchange e-mail about twice a week with
people who are currently in a familial or care-taking relationship
with someone who is close to death. Although I have attended meetings
from the Wellness community, I would prefer discussion (even if
via e-mail) with people who are concerned with this transition (death)
from a Jewish perspective.   

I would like to discuss balancing
prepartion for death with the tasks and joys of living; halakhic
concerns about medical treatment; finding household aides who fit
into the family structure; having faith in God and the 
future ("bitachon") while knowing that death is imminent; 
selecting a spiritual counselor and rabbi comfortable with this subject;
and any other topics that correspondents think will be helpful if shared.

I am already aware of Rabbi Maurice Lamm's Jewish Hospice organization and
the literature that they have on file, and have written to them asking 
about developing a referral service.  I welcome other sources of 
publications or referrals.  Thanks. May God grant a speedy recovery to
all ill people and may the Moshiach come speedily and in our day.

--Michelle mgross@nosc.mil (San Diego, CA)
From: dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor)
Subject: Re: Is Hilary Clinton a MOTT
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:58:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.155046.8447@pts1.pts.mot.com>, schw_mi@pts.mot.com (Michael Schwarz) writes:
> After seeing Bill and Hilary last night, a question came to mind.  
> 
> Is Hilary Clinton jewish???  I know Kitty Dukakus(sp??) is.

I think that one of her grandparents was Jewish.  Yet another case of
"what do you call the grandchildren of an intermarriage ?  Christian."

By the way, it's "Dukakis".  If only her husband had run a decent campaign...
Oh well, I think Bill will do a fine job.

-- 
===========================================================================

Dave 'The Rave' Kantor     "I've never thrown up on a Japanese Prime Minister."
dkantor@s55.prime.com                                       - Mike Dukakis

Go Knicks !!!
===========================================================================
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:21:09 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <Li2PTB1w165w@valpso.hanse.de>
 <1992Nov5.072802.15468@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Nov5.072802.15468@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) says:
>
>tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) writes:
>>
>>baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>>>
>>>andy 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU writes:
>>>>
>>>>Amen, sadly like many expatriate communities, American Jews are far more
>>>>reactionary than their Israeli brethren. I have heard far more right wing,
>>>>violent talk from the armchair quarterbacks in New York than from Israelis.
>>>
>>>This isn't the first time you have made this claim about American Jews
>>>being more "reactionary" (to use your loaded term) than Israelis.  Do
>>>you have any proof to back it up?  For example, I would accept as evidence
>>>a reputable public opinion poll; this poll can be compared either with
>>>polls in Israel or with actual election results in Israel.
>>
>>I had the same  feeling each time I was in Israel and had contact with
>>American Israelis and Sabres. Till now I haven't heard of a Sabre that
>>is known  for his own ideas similar to those of Rabbi Kahane and Rabbi
>>Levinger. It is very sad to hear that both of them carry the very honorable
>>title of a Rabbi. Does anybody know how big is/was the percentage of
>>American Israelis in Gush Emunim and Kach (with sources)?
>
>OK, but ex-American Israelis in Gush Emunim don't have much to do with
>the average American Jews who are (supposedly) armchair quarterbacking in
>New York.
>
>I believe that the first poster is simply wrong, but I can't remember
>where I saw the polling data that makes me think that.  That is why I
>was wondering whether he could support his assertion.
>

No polling data that I recall, just an impression. One that extends to
American Jews living in Israel as well.
From: 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: British Royal Family question.
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:43:47 GMT
 <1992Nov12.162401.7861@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <1992Nov12.162401.7861@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, segs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
(susan.e.slusky) says:
>
>_Moment_ magazine did a whole issue on circumcision about a year ago.
>One of the articles was about the British Royal family. I've forgotten
>the details, but apparently Queen Victoria wanted mohels to do circumcisions
>because of her belief that her family was connected to King David
>although of course she would not have said that her family was
>Jewish. This does not make much sense to me. Anyway she started
>a tradition of having the sons of the British royal family circumcised by
>a mohel. Apparently the Wales' decided to break that tradition after
>consulting with their physicians.
>
>Susan Slusky
>segs@mhuxo.att.com

It makes sense if you remember that "British-Israelism" the belief that the
British are descended from one of the Lost Tribes was very much in vogue in the
19th century. The theory seems to be more an attempt to justify British
Imperialism and British pretensions to superiority than a serious
anthropological attempt to trace the origins of the British. Also, many
British-Israelites were, like today's Black Hebrews fervently anti-Jewish
believing the Jews to be imposters and the British to be the Chosen People.
In the 20s, 30s and 40s the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
were distributed by British Israelite chapters (there was an organisation)
worldwide.
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From: carroll@ori.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: sexism in Judaism
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.031930.25348@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@neptune.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
>
>I am not sure how to answer that. Maybe you could ask me specific
>questions about it... Although, I believe in Hashem and am an Orthodox,
>so my views would be Orthodox as well. I don't understand and don't know
>a lot of things about the proper woman's position in society, but I do
>accept those that I do know and that are in Torah. If I don't understand
>something I ask and learn. That is one of the differences between Jews
>and goyim: Jews never stop learning.

This is an extraordinarily rude and insulting thing to say. Our
culture and traditions value education and learning an enormous
amount, but we are hardly the only people in the world who continue to
study and learn throughout their lives.

Get a life.

	<MC>



-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     || "There is no such thing as a problem 
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS||  without a gift for you in its hands. You
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker ||  seek problems because you need their 
|| carroll@udel.edu             ||  gifts" - _Illusions_, by Richard Bach
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